| 00:00.12 | drasko | streuner_, I tried this -does not work |
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| 00:00.42 | babilen | drasko: You tried what? |
| 00:00.51 | streuner_ | drasko: what did you tried and what doesnt work? |
| 00:00.51 | drasko | streuner_, I wrote wpa-ssid and wpa-psk wor my iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 00:01.02 | drasko | and then did ifdown eth1 |
| 00:01.08 | drasko | and then ifup eth1 |
| 00:01.17 | drasko | dhcp gives no offer |
| 00:01.27 | streuner_ | drasko: are all the other daemons disabled? |
| 00:01.37 | streuner_ | network-manager or such? |
| 00:02.05 | drasko | streuner_, no. Network-manager is ON |
| 00:02.13 | drasko | streuner_, should I block it ? |
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| 00:02.26 | streuner_ | /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 00:03.33 | drasko | streuner_, great - this worked |
| 00:03.59 | drasko | streuner_, why is network manager blocking eth1 ? |
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| 00:04.53 | streuner_ | well, it confused your system totally |
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| 00:06.07 | drasko | streuner_, where to change udev rule to rename eth1 to wlan0 ? |
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| 00:07.24 | streuner_ | its a driver issue |
| 00:07.47 | streuner_ | but why do you need to change the device name at all, if its working? |
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| 00:09.25 | denom | Is it possible to use squeeze without upgrading the kernel and udev from lenny? |
| 00:09.37 | DammitJim | man, I did a dist-upgrade today |
| 00:09.46 | DammitJim | on wheezy, and now my nvidia card doesn't work |
| 00:09.50 | DammitJim | can someone please help? |
| 00:09.56 | aaaaaaaaaa | sid |
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| 00:10.56 | somiaj | DammitJim: did both the nvidia-kerne-dkms upgrade along with the nvidia-glx packages? |
| 00:11.27 | somiaj | DammitJim: if so, what you need to do is quit X and then unload the old nvidia module and reload the new one (or reboot) so you have the same nvidia module version and glx version |
| 00:11.33 | DammitJim | somiaj: I thought so |
| 00:11.55 | DammitJim | but when I try to install nvidia-glx, it complains about libl1g-nvidia-glx |
| 00:12.08 | DammitJim | I rebooted multiple times :( |
| 00:12.08 | somiaj | DammitJim: also this is off-topic here, check the /topic for directions on the network for testing/unstable questions |
| 00:12.22 | DammitJim | and startx says that the nvidia module doesn't work |
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| 00:12.45 | somiaj | DammitJim: it compains? what exctally does it say -- I'm getting the impression you don't know enough about debian to be running testing..:D |
| 00:12.47 | DammitJim | somiaj: thank you for pointing that out... I've always come here... |
| 00:13.19 | DammitJim | Failed to load module nvidia |
| 00:13.23 | wols_ | DammitJim: and you shouldn't for testhing help |
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| 00:13.27 | DammitJim | module does not exist |
| 00:13.37 | aaaaaaaaaa | tell aaaaaaaaaa sid |
| 00:14.00 | somiaj | DammitJim: which nvidia module package are you using? nvidia-kernel-dkms should make the nvidia module for your automaically (just have the headers for your kernel installed) |
| 00:14.21 | somiaj | DammitJim: did you have any other errors during your dist-upgrade that would have told you there was trouble installing one or more of these critical packages? |
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| 00:14.31 | DammitJim | somiaj: not at all |
| 00:14.42 | babilen | !tell drasko -about 70 |
| 00:14.46 | aaaaaaaaaa | Oh! Can someone please tell me the robot's name? I have questions to ask. Thanks |
| 00:14.50 | DammitJim | that's why I was surprised that my laptop wouldn't go into X when I started it @ home |
| 00:14.56 | wols_ | DammitJim: you are very confused. first your talk about libgl then about nvidia.ko. now what is it? |
| 00:14.57 | craigevil | DammitJim, try install the nvidia-glx package(s) from sid, nvidia in testing has been broken on and off for over a month |
| 00:15.02 | babilen | aaaaaaaaaa: It is dpkg -- you can /msg or /query it. |
| 00:15.08 | somiaj | ssfdre38: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 00:15.16 | aaaaaaaaaa | babilen: thanks. |
| 00:15.18 | DammitJim | thanks craigevil |
| 00:15.20 | ssfdre38 | what??? |
| 00:15.23 | DammitJim | am I on the right channel, though? |
| 00:15.36 | wols_ | no you are not. #debian-next on oftc |
| 00:15.40 | drasko | babilen, thanks |
| 00:15.48 | DammitJim | wols_: I am confused otherwise I wouldn't be asking LOL |
| 00:16.01 | DammitJim | thanks guys |
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| 00:16.04 | craigevil | DammitJim, do a search of forums.debian.net lots of posts about nvidia and fixes |
| 00:16.12 | wols_ | DammitJim: as somiaj said: a very clear hint that testing is not for you |
| 00:16.32 | DammitJim | lol @ craigevil I got no browser since I have no X... I guess I could use a text browser? |
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| 00:16.59 | DammitJim | I want to learn more about debian... I don't mind going through the pain... is this not the right way of learning? |
| 00:17.06 | streuner_ | babilen: did you read "ANY" factoid of dpkg? :-P |
| 00:17.08 | DammitJim | anyways... I'm going to #debian-nexst |
| 00:17.08 | DammitJim | thank you |
| 00:17.45 | DammitJim | holy crap! you have to be invited to go to debian-next? |
| 00:17.54 | somiaj | DammitJim: install links2 / lynx -- both cli browers |
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| 00:18.15 | somiaj | DammitJim: not on this server, you have to join the offical debian irc server (debian moved away from freenode years ago) |
| 00:18.22 | babilen | DammitJim: The channel is on irc.oftc.net *not* on freenode |
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| 00:19.11 | streuner_ | !next |
| 00:19.11 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 00:19.34 | denom | Is squeeze tied to a particular version of the linux kernel? |
| 00:19.45 | streuner_ | 2.6.32 |
| 00:19.55 | denom | I'm trying to upgrade from lenny on dreamhost, and there is no way to upgrade the kernel |
| 00:19.59 | aaaaaaaaaa | Can someone please tell me which robot should I ask if I want to know something about testing, sid, and stable? dpkg seems not the right one. |
| 00:20.22 | babilen | denom: No, it is not. It does however come with .32 by default and you have to do some work to get others installed. |
| 00:20.46 | babilen | aaaaaaaaaa: dpkg is the right one -- ask about "testing", "sid" and "stable" |
| 00:20.50 | denom | hmm uname returns `2.6.33.3-vs2.3.0.36.30.4-swap-nooomloop-nolivelock-oom-jt3` |
| 00:20.51 | streuner_ | aaaaaaaaaa: what is something? |
| 00:20.59 | denom | That might work? |
| 00:21.05 | denom | (for squeeze?) |
| 00:21.11 | streuner_ | no |
| 00:21.30 | babilen | denom: That is not a Debian kernel. Where is it from? Is it mayhaps some kind of VPS you are working on? |
| 00:21.33 | streuner_ | .33 is, some kind of wired |
| 00:21.45 | denom | it is a heavily hacked VPS kernel |
| 00:22.02 | aaaaaaaaaa | streuner_: I want to learn some basic information about them. For example, is sid rolling updated? |
| 00:22.12 | denom | I have anecdotal reports that squeeze will run on it, so I am trying ;) |
| 00:22.19 | aaaaaaaaaa | babilen: Let me try again. Thanks |
| 00:22.48 | babilen | aaaaaaaaaa: You might also be interested in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable |
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| 00:23.15 | aaaaaaaaaa | babilen: Oh, probably I write wrong scentence at first. Thank you. |
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| 00:25.44 | aaaaaaaaaa | It was said that debian sid sometimes is more stable than some other linux distribution. Is that true? |
| 00:26.08 | boudiccas | aaaaaaaaaa; define 'more stable'? |
| 00:26.10 | streuner_ | sid is unstable |
| 00:26.21 | streuner_ | never forget that |
| 00:26.29 | babilen | !stable |
| 00:26.29 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 00:26.51 | nkuttler | hrm, can somebody recommend a simple cd burner with gui for dummmies, besides k3b |
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| 00:27.14 | streuner_ | nkuttler: brasero ;-) |
| 00:27.29 | streuner_ | nkuttler: its just painless |
| 00:27.31 | babilen | aaaaaaaaaa: sid is unstable by definition (in the Debian sense) -- And it *will* break once in a while. It is not as bad as some years ago, but we still had some serious bugs in the last weeks/months |
| 00:27.57 | nkuttler | streuner_: that looks nice, ty |
| 00:28.05 | streuner_ | yw :-P |
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| 00:28.32 | streuner_ | nkuttler: well, it just runs here without any pain, it just works |
| 00:28.42 | aaaaaaaaaa | boudiccas: I mean it may have less bug than some linux distribution. |
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| 00:29.18 | boudiccas | aaaaaaaaaa; in that case sid is not stable |
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| 00:30.15 | somiaj | yea, a month or two ago sid destroyed the /lib64 link making the system unoperable without using a rescue CD to create that link |
| 00:31.02 | Tigerboy | streuner_: I went to debian-next and all i did was get told "we already told you to us Squeeze to install" |
| 00:31.16 | Tigerboy | no one else said a thing |
| 00:31.51 | aaaaaaaaaa | boudiccas, somiaj Oh, that's bad. Then, does testing better than unstable? |
| 00:31.53 | pingouin | hello, i understand the classic chmod xxx, but i'm not clear about the chmod with 4 numbers like chmod 0600, what's the name of it for me to make a search about and understand what the first number stand for , please ? |
| 00:32.05 | nkuttler | Tigerboy: well, doing supporting anything besides stable is just a pita |
| 00:32.45 | district | pingouin: it's the suid/sgid/temp bit |
| 00:33.07 | Tigerboy | well why other having a channel |
| 00:34.00 | Tigerboy | what I don't get is why don't they warn people not to dl the test install -- i mean I can see bug problems but not even being able to install grub |
| 00:34.05 | pingouin | district: thanks you |
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| 00:34.27 | streuner_ | Tigerboy: well, we told you here too :-) |
| 00:34.28 | nkuttler | Tigerboy: always install stable + everything you need. then start upgrading |
| 00:35.07 | streuner_ | nkuttler: thats what we told him an hour ago (babilien and me) |
| 00:35.19 | nkuttler | oh well |
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| 00:35.25 | streuner_ | yeah |
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| 00:36.39 | babilen | Tigerboy: We somehow assume that people who are running testing or unstable know what they are doing :) -- The testing installer is not a high priority as the next release has still not appeared on the horizon. I guess that a lot of development is focussed on different things than making every weekly/daily rock-solid. |
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| 00:40.07 | wizzr | root.debian.org |
| 00:40.21 | somiaj | aaaaaaaaaa: testing has some problems which are different than unstable, usually you don't get grave bugs in testing but due to the staging relase sometimes things just don't get along correct (seems nvidia modules in testing need to be fixed) |
| 00:40.36 | wizzr | does anybody else use irssi? |
| 00:40.43 | somiaj | wizzr: of course |
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| 00:42.15 | shantorn | i have an asus u43jc laptop with an Intel wireless-N 1000 and the testing version does not see it and i am not sure how to go about fixing, would someone help please |
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| 00:42.33 | wols_ | !iwlagn |
| 00:42.33 | dpkg | iwlagn is a driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6200AGN, 6300AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline since Linux 2.6.27. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 00:42.37 | aaaaaaaaaa | somiaj: Thanks. And testing is rolling-updated, I think I would not have to reinstall the whole system if I use testing. But testing does not have gnome3, what a pity. I love gnome3. |
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| 00:43.57 | shantorn | thanks wolfric |
| 00:44.00 | shantorn | wols! |
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| 00:47.59 | k-man | so I was trying to install testing using the "continue over ssh" option - but unfortuantely I lost connection during the install. it would be good if the install ran over screen, so if you got disconnected, you could just reconnect and carry on |
| 00:48.10 | k-man | but alas screen is not included in the install programs |
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| 00:48.56 | shantorn | that did the trick wols |
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| 00:49.17 | shantorn | thank you |
| 00:49.57 | dserban | Can I get dpkg to show me stats on how many packages are installed? |
| 00:50.22 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep ^ii | wc -l |
| 00:50.23 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep ^ii | wc -l |
| 00:50.30 | wols_ | dpkg: shaddup |
| 00:50.30 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 00:50.38 | wols_ | and welcome back as well btw |
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| 00:52.31 | dserban | Or even maybe aptitude to show how many ugdates are available, stats like that... wols_ aye, maybe I should have been more specific, I want more ... stats etc, new downloaded waiting total installed etc... |
| 00:53.22 | wols_ | waiting? |
| 00:54.19 | dserban | aye, cron apt would maybe dl the updates |
| 00:54.30 | k-man | what fs would be the quickest to create onto a 3TB RAID6 array of SATA drives? |
| 00:54.46 | dserban | k-man: jfs |
| 00:54.53 | k-man | I tried ext4 last night and left it running over night. it was still running this morning |
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| 00:55.04 | k-man | dserban, ok, I might give that a go |
| 00:55.24 | k-man | anyone ever tried using the HP Integrated Lights Out feature on HP servers? |
| 00:55.27 | dserban | k-man: it's all i use, very good |
| 00:55.36 | k-man | dserban, oh yes? |
| 00:56.01 | dserban | aye, fast, mature, stable |
| 00:56.08 | k-man | cool |
| 00:56.34 | k-man | I'm really only setting this up for some testing so its not critical what I use. as long as it is quick to set up |
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| 01:14.06 | denom | I just ran a dist-upgrade, and It installed a veritable boat-load of packages. Is there a way to trim the installed packages down to some normal baseline? |
| 01:16.07 | boudiccas | denom; which version? |
| 01:16.25 | denom | I upgraded to squeeze |
| 01:16.38 | denom | 6.0.2 |
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| 01:25.54 | Vbitz | where is the location of the php config file by default |
| 01:26.29 | koollman | Vbitz: somewhere in /etc/php5/ . perhaps cgi/php.ini or apache2/php.ini |
| 01:27.35 | denom | Is there a way to remove almost every package on a debian system, except for the base install? |
| 01:27.39 | somiaj | aaaaaaaaaa: testing is not a rolling release, it gets packages as they filter down and go though sid with no grave bugs -- there are other considerations. Though there is talk and some experiements with making a debian rolling release based from testing. |
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| 01:30.32 | aaaaaaaaaa | somiaj: I wish to use a rolling-updated distribution based on debian. It seems that linux mint has a release named lmde, which is rolling updated and based on debian. |
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| 01:30.58 | craigevil | !CUT |
| 01:30.59 | dpkg | [cut] an utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>. |
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| 01:39.24 | sythe | Hey |
| 01:39.26 | sythe | Python? |
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| 01:45.46 | shantorn | hello, is it possible to use gnome3 gnome shell on debian testing and if so is there a blog, forum, walkthrough on how to do it? |
| 01:45.51 | swilson06 | can anyone recommend a cd distro with a virus scanner for windows? |
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| 01:46.24 | swilson06 | something pretty straight forward to walk someone through using? |
| 01:46.35 | craigevil | swilson06, knoppix, systemrescuecd, there are a few others |
| 01:47.15 | koollman | swilson06: bitdefender livecd . really simple |
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| 01:47.18 | nkuttler | swilson06: you probably want a windows live cd. partbe-based with up to date antivirus tools |
| 01:47.38 | mosno | bart pe* |
| 01:47.42 | Vbitz | i am having a error in installing ampache, php putenv support and exacution time is having a issue |
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| 01:50.37 | swilson06 | bitdefender looks as good as it gets. thanks |
| 01:53.28 | somiaj | Vbitz: paste.debian.net -- you can share the output of your errors, as we cannot guess what they could be -- also check bug reports, bugs.debian.org/<pkg name> |
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| 01:54.16 | Vbitz | it is 2 simple errors for the install of a web package, i have given you all the output |
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| 01:55.06 | somiaj | have you tried to google the errors? |
| 01:55.31 | Vbitz | yes |
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| 02:08.58 | karlpinc_ | really likes redshift (which adjusts the color temperature of the monitor for day/night) |
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| 02:12.48 | karlpinc_ | Vbitz: I don't see any output. |
| 02:13.27 | Vbitz | PHP putenv Support: ERROR |
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| 02:13.36 | Vbitz | this is when i am install ampache |
| 02:13.58 | chowder | Hi! I'm new to Debian and I was wondering if the testing branch has support for Xen. I'm on Ubuntu but I'm looking for something a bit more stable to manage my vms without being completely out of date. |
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| 02:15.15 | karlpinc_ | Vbitz: That's the only thing that's output? When is it output? You might also want to check out apache's readme.debian. |
| 02:15.20 | karlpinc_ | !tell Vbitz about readme.debian |
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| 02:15.41 | karlpinc_ | chowder: I believe so. As does stable. Since you're new, here's two factoids for you. |
| 02:15.47 | karlpinc_ | !tell chowder about introduction |
| 02:15.54 | karlpinc_ | !tell chowder about overview |
| 02:16.23 | karlpinc_ | chowder: Since you're new stable is recommended. |
| 02:16.57 | karlpinc_ | Vbitz: You also need to tell us exactly what you typed to get that error. |
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| 02:17.34 | Vbitz | i am on the install page for ampache, i have not done anything yet, also i ask here since it is a php configeration issue |
| 02:17.38 | chowder | karlpinc_, thanks but I'm not completely new to debian. I've been using linux for a while now and know my way around fairly well. Xen is just so alien to me. I used to use arch linux but it doesn't feel as well put together as debian. |
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| 02:18.24 | karlpinc_ | chowder: I don't have vm experience but I would chose kvm over xen because I feel it's got real momentum in the free software space. |
| 02:19.07 | karlpinc_ | chowder: Thing about testing is that it's for testing. Things break. Do you have some reason why you think you need testing? |
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| 02:19.54 | chowder | karlpinc_, I'd like to have more up-to-date software. I'm used to the rolling-release style and am accustomed to reading release notes before installing certain packages. |
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| 02:20.55 | karlpinc_ | chowder: You might be happy with testing. But you should also know about backports (and the other software referred to on the DebianSoftware wiki page). |
| 02:21.02 | karlpinc_ | !tell chowder about bdo |
| 02:21.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you go the testing route, make sure you have apt-listchanges |
| 02:21.23 | karlpinc_ | chowder: Backports is newer stuff for stable. |
| 02:21.51 | chowder | I see. I recall ubuntu having a backports repo so I get the general idea |
| 02:22.21 | chowder | I'm reading a performance comparison between xen and kvm. |
| 02:22.24 | karlpinc_ | chowder: Major stuff like desktops generally does not make it into backports. Other stuff does. YMMV. |
| 02:23.32 | NuclearMeltdown | Is netbooted debian hard to do? |
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| 02:24.09 | DasEi | NuclearMeltdown: no, you speak about netinstall or pxeboot ? |
| 02:24.16 | NuclearMeltdown | pxeboot |
| 02:24.20 | chowder | karlpinc_, I see, so only the most important stuff makes it into backports? |
| 02:25.23 | DasEi | NuclearMeltdown: it's some time ago I did this for learning purposes, but kickstart worked nice for me, a 4h ride to set up between two machines with no pxe experience in forehand |
| 02:25.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | NuclearMeltdown: depending on your idea of hard it might be; what are you atually trying to do? |
| 02:25.53 | karlpinc_ | chowder: The stuff that people care about. New browsers. New office suites. Major database releases. There's also the squeeze-updates section for stuff that needs frequent updates like virus scanners. That's not backports but another "section" that's enabled. (I forget the exact vocabulary word.) |
| 02:26.32 | chowder | security? |
| 02:26.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | component? |
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| 02:28.26 | karlpinc_ | chowder: See the wiki page. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 02:29.11 | NuclearMeltdown | Kamping_Kaiser, not have a hard drive in one of the computers |
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| 02:29.24 | NuclearMeltdown | actually, more than one |
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| 02:29.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | NuclearMeltdown: so you're doing ltsp? check the ltsp-server and ltsp-client packages |
| 02:29.52 | NuclearMeltdown | I would like to have the writeable (/etc /var) separate from the shared /usr on the boot server |
| 02:30.01 | karlpinc_ | NuclearMeltdown: If you've already done pxebooting then pxebooting debian is straightforward. (Isn't there something in the reference manual about doing this?) But otherwise setting up the infrastructure for pxebooting takes a bit of detail work. Not hard, but you have to check each step. |
| 02:30.06 | NuclearMeltdown | Since the machines will have the same debian install |
| 02:30.17 | NuclearMeltdown | thanks |
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| 02:48.58 | superawesomeness | hello debian world |
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| 03:28.43 | ex-parrot | what script updates /etc/motd in debian squeeze? |
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| 03:28.50 | ex-parrot | I don't see any reference to it in bootmisc.sh anymore |
| 03:29.07 | stew | ex-parrot: grep motd /etc/init.d/* |
| 03:29.20 | ex-parrot | good call |
| 03:29.24 | ex-parrot | 'tis "bootlogs" now |
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| 03:34.51 | rwt | Anyone have suggestions on how to back up a webserver on debian? |
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| 03:36.04 | boudiccas | rwt; rsync |
| 03:37.45 | stew | rwt: backuppc and dirvish are nice solutions that I have used. rdiff-backup and bacula are also popular |
| 03:38.02 | boudiccas | rwt; using this line and a cron job i get mien backed up every three hours ......... /usr/bin/rsync -av /home/boztu/ /media/disk/`/bin/date +%Y%m%d`/ >> /home/boztu/cron/backup.txt |
| 03:38.04 | stew | (which afaik, are all rsync based) |
| 03:38.09 | boudiccas | s/mine |
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| 03:40.55 | gnarface | i just use a chain of scp pipes to tar from a bash script |
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| 03:41.16 | gnarface | but i like doing things the hard way |
| 03:42.04 | boudiccas | gnarface; each to their own , as can be seen by the variety of backup solutions here :) |
| 03:42.07 | Wyzard | rwt, stew: I use duplicity |
| 03:43.49 | boudiccas | rwt; i've described in detail how i do my backups using rsync on my blog at ..... http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html |
| 03:44.28 | rwt | thx everyone, I will look into them |
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| 03:58.29 | penrod | greetings, I am installing a new squeeze distro with a 2.75 terabyte hardware raid. Do i need to do all the partitioning with a parted live cd before using the Debian installer ? |
| 03:58.39 | sidro | no |
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| 03:59.06 | sidro | debian have a part manager in installer |
| 03:59.42 | penrod | sidro, when I tried using the debian installer the hardware raid was broken up into 2 partitions |
| 04:00.35 | sidro | i don't use raid but debian know raid |
| 04:01.26 | sidro | what debian you use? |
| 04:01.42 | stew | he said squeeze |
| 04:01.43 | penrod | I am using a smaller disk for the os and the raid for data that gets backed up , the installer sees the raid as 2 partitions, using squeeze |
| 04:01.59 | gnarface | sidro: stock kernel might not be capable of addressing more than 2TB volumes |
| 04:02.30 | sidro | gnarface: posible I don't use raid |
| 04:02.31 | stew | i'd be using lvm and hope that lvm makes the installer not care |
| 04:02.36 | gnarface | sidro: and ms-dos partitions certainly do not |
| 04:02.56 | gnarface | would be doing it the hard way. |
| 04:03.07 | sidro | I don't all information about what he did |
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| 04:03.18 | sidro | I don't have all information about what he did |
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| 04:04.03 | DasEi | penrod: is this a a real hardraid (aka dawicontroll or such) or a fakeraid onboard controller ? |
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| 04:05.27 | penrod | ok, here is the info new squeeze distro /dev/sda is a 500G sata drive (to be used only for os) a hardware raid card (3ware 9500s) 4 disks 1 terabyte each, the raid will be ~2.75 terabytes. When the installer gets to the partitioning the raid is seen as 2 partitions /dev/sdb (2.1 terabytes) & /dev/sdc (800 g) |
| 04:06.41 | koollman | you need to configure the raid first. in 3ware bios |
| 04:06.49 | gnarface | yea |
| 04:07.03 | koollman | (alt-3 to get to it, iirc) |
| 04:07.09 | penrod | koollman, that is what I did, initialized it too. |
| 04:07.09 | gnarface | penrod: sounds like your raid card is defaulted into "ide mode" or whatever they call it |
| 04:07.59 | penrod | the raid bios displays exactly what I want a single raid5 2.75 terabytes |
| 04:08.02 | gnarface | i'm still not sure you can have any sort of single block device (or raid volume) bigger than 2TB with the stock kernel though |
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| 04:08.45 | koollman | oh. more than 2TB. right. not the kernel ... the card. automatic carving by default |
| 04:09.30 | DasEi | penrod: I don't know for that model, but maybe the firmware isn't in default installer for that card, so |
| 04:09.39 | DasEi | %installer firmware |
| 04:09.39 | dselect | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 04:09.51 | koollman | penrod: there's a parameter called carve size or automated carving in 3ware bios. deactivate it |
| 04:10.15 | penrod | koolman, I will look into tthat |
| 04:11.01 | stew | gnarface: yu can |
| 04:11.30 | koollman | I should have noticed when you described your config... |
| 04:11.44 | koollman | (but it's 6am here. need to sleep! :) ) |
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| 04:12.38 | stew | gnarface: i'm looking at a stock lenny kernel now with a 7tb volume mounted |
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| 04:13.07 | penrod | koolman: there was an entry under "policy" to disable 2t carving. Thanks I will see how it goes now. |
| 04:13.39 | gnarface | stew: did that change in the vanilla kernel or is that something different with debian kernels? |
| 04:13.48 | stew | gnarface: dunno |
| 04:13.49 | koollman | penrod: you may have to recreate the raid, I'm not sure if it's automatically changed or not |
| 04:14.22 | koollman | gnarface: large block devices have been an option in vanilla kernel for quite a long time. and it's active in most default distribution kernels, I think |
| 04:14.47 | gnarface | koollman: last time i had to set one up i think it may have been 2006 :-/ |
| 04:15.11 | penrod | koolman, I will find out soon enough, not a big problem. Getting squeeze to see it as one partition was my issue. thanks again |
| 04:16.00 | koollman | gnarface: well the option existed. perhaps it wasn't selected by default yet, though |
| 04:16.47 | gnarface | koollman: back then it definitely was not, in the vanilla kernel at least |
| 04:17.31 | gnarface | oh boy |
| 04:17.33 | gnarface | here we go again |
| 04:17.38 | gnarface | flash 11 "released" for 64-bit linux |
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| 04:19.43 | khem_ | http://pastebin.com/Nc56fVp7 |
| 04:20.19 | khem_ | what can I do to force remove that one? I cant continue install anything until that one is out of the way (the kernel package with PAE extension, I already installed a grsec kernel through apt) |
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| 04:23.02 | Guest23574 | is it possible to pass multiple parameters to a single argument in getopts in bash? |
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| 04:24.22 | Guest23574 | single option* |
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| 04:37.17 | superlinux | hi. how can I make "example.com" point at "www.example.com"? |
| 04:37.33 | superlinux | I know I have to add a CNAME record |
| 04:37.46 | superlinux | and I use dnspark for that |
| 04:38.02 | stew | superlinux: no, you cannot |
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| 04:38.49 | superlinux | stew, so that's something the browser does for us? |
| 04:38.57 | somiaj | superlinux: you can write a redirect setup for the server |
| 04:39.20 | superlinux | I mean the browser auto-appends the "www" to the domain name |
| 04:39.23 | stew | superlinux: yes. if you want this for a website, you would have a webserver on example.com doing a 301 redirect to www.example.com |
| 04:39.28 | somiaj | superlinux: lookup Mod_Rewrite |
| 04:39.51 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 04:39.53 | superlinux | fine |
| 04:39.57 | stew | or just Reidrect or RedirectMatch from mod_alias |
| 04:40.14 | superlinux | so basically it's not DNS |
| 04:40.17 | superlinux | that's ok |
| 04:40.21 | gnarface | superlinux: uh |
| 04:40.25 | gnarface | clarification |
| 04:40.39 | gnarface | it IS dns if you don't care that the browser doesn't change from one to the other |
| 04:40.58 | somiaj | superlinux: http://paste.debian.net/122836/ -- that is what I use for that. |
| 04:41.00 | gnarface | with a CNAME you *can* make example.com and www.example.com point to the same IP address, but that won't make the browser automatically prepend www |
| 04:41.07 | stew | gnarface: no you cannot |
| 04:41.19 | gnarface | stew: !?!? |
| 04:41.36 | gnarface | stew: trolling?/ |
| 04:41.36 | stew | gnarface: well, you can have a CNAME on www.example.com that points to example.com. but not the other way arround, which is what he was asking about |
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| 04:42.18 | stew | you cannot have a CNAME on foo.com since you cannot have a CNAME record on a name which has any other record, and you need at least the SOA on the foo.com name |
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| 04:42.40 | Guest23574 | hey guys is it possible to pass multiple arguments to a single option using getopts in bash |
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| 04:42.42 | stew | (and probably you want other records like MX, NS) |
| 04:42.46 | Guest23574 | for example: -r foo bar |
| 04:42.46 | somiaj | superlinux: I just put it in the default domain file in /etc/apache/sites-available/default |
| 04:43.01 | maxexclo- | Hey, is it possible to list all packages unrequired by other packages (pretty much everything but dependancies) |
| 04:43.11 | superlinux | gnarface, I added the example.com record without "www" and gave it an IP. instead of "www" i have "@" |
| 04:43.26 | somiaj | Guest23574: you can have spaces in your option, but you have to tell the shell its a single option usually with -r "foo bar" |
| 04:44.01 | gnarface | superlinux: just use two A records |
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| 04:44.21 | superlinux | yes I do have TWO A-records |
| 04:44.24 | Guest23574 | somiaj: and seperate them using cut or something? |
| 04:44.35 | stew | superlinux: good, you want two A records, and you want one to do a 301 to the other |
| 04:44.42 | somiaj | Guest23574: yea you can then seperate them out in the script |
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| 04:45.00 | somiaj | Guest23574: why are you wanting two options? you could also do -r1 foo -r2 bar |
| 04:45.03 | ugly_duck | hey, i'm trying to get ssh with a key, i've ran ssh-keygen -t rsa, then copied over the my key to the computer i'm trying to ssh into, add that to autorized_keys but it still asked me for a password when i try to login? |
| 04:45.23 | superlinux | gnarface, one is "www.example.com" and "@.example.com" . the "@.example.com" IS "example.com" |
| 04:45.40 | superlinux | and www and @ both point at the same IP |
| 04:45.52 | MrHatter | i have just typed dpkg --print-architecture and the out put is i386 however i have an amd64 chip and kernel. perhpaps i did a i386 netinst ? can i change this to amd64 ? |
| 04:46.05 | EmleyMoor | ugly_duck: Are you running ssh-agent? |
| 04:46.25 | stew | ugly_duck: this is almost always permissions problems. make sure authorized_keys is owned by that user and chmod 600, and make sure that .ssh and any ancestor directory is not group writable |
| 04:46.45 | EmleyMoor | Ah, good point, stew |
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| 04:46.58 | stew | ugly_duck: and when its not a permissions problem, its because you pasted newlines in the middle of your key |
| 04:46.58 | gnarface | superlinux: then i'd call it done there, but yea if you want the browser to get updated you would want to do a 301 redirect from one to the other, from within the website |
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| 04:47.05 | ugly_duck | EmleyMoor: not sure, i'll check |
| 04:47.22 | ugly_duck | Stew: permission chmod 700 autorized_keys |
| 04:47.24 | stew | ugly_duck: and when you do this next time, use the ssh-copy-id script which copies the key to the remote server for you |
| 04:47.27 | superlinux | gnarface, thanks |
| 04:47.32 | somiaj | MrHatter: you cannot change your current install to amd64, and you'll have to reinstall. Just keep your configis/package list and it can go fairly quickly |
| 04:47.32 | stew | !debug sshd |
| 04:47.32 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>, <ssh permissions>. |
| 04:47.46 | stew | ugly_duck: this^^^ will tell you exactly what is wrong |
| 04:47.59 | EmleyMoor | ugly_duck: Also check the spelling of the filename... authorized_keys |
| 04:49.24 | ugly_duck | EmleyMoor: i copied it directly from sshd_config |
| 04:50.00 | MrHatter | somiaj: I have come this with a problem from virtualbox: vboxdrv: 'RTR3init failed with rc=-1912(rc=-1912) |
| 04:50.15 | MrHatter | would the architecture affect this ? |
| 04:50.22 | somiaj | MrHatter: no clue, have you asked google? |
| 04:50.32 | MrHatter | i mean the output of dpkg -print-architecture |
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| 04:51.18 | MrHatter | somiaj, yes, i was unaware of this print-architecture before. I have checked other boxes and a lot say i386 even though they were installed with amd installs |
| 04:51.22 | ugly_duck | the client is not installed... installing now |
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| 04:53.01 | EmleyMoor | The mind boggles... |
| 04:53.03 | MrHatter | i have checked 'dpkg --print-architecture' now on 6x amd boxes and they all say, i386 |
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| 04:53.21 | Serjs | Hi everyone |
| 04:53.38 | somiaj | MrHatter: I forget if you can run 64 bit guests on a 32bit host, but I thought your virtuilize things anyways. Seems as if you can with the right prcessor and settings, http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=8669 |
| 04:53.45 | Serjs | I have some problems in squeeze with xfs + quotas, maybe someone can help me |
| 04:53.51 | somiaj | MrHatter: check the third or fourth question |
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| 04:54.17 | EmleyMoor | Serjs: Not used xfs myself but what is the problem? |
| 04:54.47 | jmarsden | MrHatter: i386 meas 32bit PC instruction set, amd64 means 64bit PC instruction set. Which company makes the CPU is not relevant. |
| 04:54.48 | Serjs | i have soft_raid 1 partition mounted in xfs with usrquota,grpquota but quotacheck -avugm say to me quotacheck: Skipping /dev/disk/by-uuid/3db163e8-21dd-478c-9d96-19ab7cc01336 [/] |
| 04:54.49 | Serjs | quotacheck: Cannot find filesystem to check or filesystem not mounted with quota option. |
| 04:54.57 | ugly_duck | to reset locales, its just a matter of dpkg-reconfigure locales correct? |
| 04:55.17 | ugly_duck | sick of getting perl messages.. |
| 04:55.18 | MrHatter | jmarsden: the kernel is the 64bit amd kernel. |
| 04:55.25 | Serjs | in kernel i wrote GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet rootflags=usrquota,grpquota" |
| 04:55.29 | MrHatter | jmarsden: the cpu is amd64. |
| 04:55.34 | Serjs | in grub* |
| 04:55.34 | somiaj | MrHatter: dpkg --print-architecture says 'amd64' on both my 64 bit systems, maybe you were running a 32bit os the whole time? |
| 04:56.05 | MrHatter | somaij, cripers, maybe, i will check some more boxes |
| 04:58.04 | somiaj | MrHatter: though that does seems a bit odd if your sure you ahve the -amd64 kernel, It shouldn't be availaible in the i386 repos. What does uname -a return do you see an x86_64? |
| 04:58.13 | jmarsden | MrHatter: You are running 32bit OSes if dpkg --print-architechture says i386. Run uname -m for a check on what instruction set your kernel(s) are running. |
| 04:58.30 | stew | somiaj: i386 has had amd64 kernels for a long time |
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| 04:59.13 | MrHatter | uname -m = x86_64 |
| 04:59.19 | stew | judd: versions linux-image-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 04:59.20 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; sid: 2.6.39+35.1; wheezy: 2.6.39+35.1; experimental: 3.0.0~rc5+38 |
| 04:59.36 | MrHatter | uname -a : Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 05:49:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:59.40 | somiaj | stew: ahh, thanks. |
| 04:59.45 | MrHatter | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 04:59.45 | dpkg | alpha |
| 04:59.45 | MrHatter | i386 |
| 05:00.05 | somiaj | MrHatter: well cause of 32bit emulation, that kernel can run 32bit binaries just fine. |
| 05:00.25 | stew | dpkg: literal --print-architecture |
| 05:00.26 | dpkg | "--print-architecture" is "<reply> (powerpc|amd64|i386|ia64|alpha|mips(|el)|kfreebsd-(i386|amd64)|sh|hurd-i386|arm(|eb|el)|gothic|classical|neo-classical|geary|hppa)" |
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| 05:01.18 | MrHatter | so i have been running a 32bit systems with 64bit kernels ? so dpkg would then have been getting all the 32 bit software ? |
| 05:01.27 | MrHatter | and emulating ? |
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| 05:01.46 | stew | getting 32 bit software, yes. not emulating, no, |
| 05:02.02 | somiaj | MrHatter: emulating was probabalyt he wrong word, just 64bit processors have 32 bit compadability and so do the kernels |
| 05:02.03 | stew | 64 bit cpus can run 32 bit software natively. without emulating |
| 05:02.23 | gnarface | unless its itanium? |
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| 05:03.31 | jmarsden | MrHatter: to check that, do file $(which ls) and see if it is an i386 or amd64 binary |
| 05:03.31 | MrHatter | stew: i am here chatting now because virtualbox is not running, could virtualbox fail if because of what we have been talking about ? |
| 05:03.58 | stew | doesn't know about virtualbox |
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| 05:04.08 | MrHatter | fair enough :) |
| 05:05.04 | somiaj | MrHatter: just gave you the faq that says with 2.1.x and greater you can run 64 bit guests on 32bit hosts....has google gave you anything about that error? |
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| 05:06.28 | MrHatter | somiaj, google led me here asking about the output of dpkg --print-achitecture, suggesting that could be the problem. I will reinstall this box and find out. |
| 05:07.15 | MrHatter | somiaj, jmarsden, stew, thx for your inputs. |
| 05:07.24 | somiaj | MrHatter: you could just install a 32bit kernel, maybe there is some strange error with 32bit guest hooking toa 64bit kernel/module. |
| 05:07.36 | somiaj | MrHatter: something you could try before a full reinsatll, not sure if it will change anything. |
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| 05:07.39 | MrHatter | somiaj, that will be quicker to test. |
| 05:07.45 | MrHatter | thx i will try that |
| 05:07.48 | adminewb | This document is confusing and possibly not very up to date: http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend; hibernate and pm-utils are installed on my 6.0 system, so how to resume from a hibernate? Do I need a special grub menu item? |
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| 05:07.56 | somiaj | MrHatter: also rebuild teh vbox modules |
| 05:08.18 | adminewb | I'm using kfce desktop, btw |
| 05:09.32 | somiaj | adminewb: after pm-hibernate you should just need to turn the machine back on and it will know to restore the image at boot. If its giving you a grub menu and booting normally, the resume could be failing (mine doesn't resume cause of a flaky wireless driver module) |
| 05:10.23 | adminewb | my grub menu's custom, it's multiboot |
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| 05:11.36 | adminewb | first indication I get that it's not resuming is a console message describing cleanup of stale saved state |
| 05:12.04 | adminewb | remounting file systems also is replaying journals and renewing fs self consistency |
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| 05:14.38 | adminewb | yes it does show a regular custom grub menu as before, for powering up after hibernate; I'd hope that leaving the suspend image to start up after a different OS session is over would be possible |
| 05:15.00 | somiaj | adminewb: yea I gave up worry about hibernate/suspend when I got tired of my flaky wireless driver messing it up. |
| 05:15.11 | adminewb | :/ |
| 05:15.29 | somiaj | adminewb: check the scripts, it might send grub a 'onetime boot' option that gets removed as soon as grub runs once |
| 05:16.10 | adminewb | it might be worth mentioning that the grub installation it might be affecting is neutered |
| 05:16.50 | adminewb | the hard disk's bootstrap actually points at another OS's grub installation |
| 05:17.13 | adminewb | gets sort of confusing |
| 05:17.41 | MrHatter | somiaj: yep install the 32 bit kernel made it worked. |
| 05:18.08 | MrHatter | is there much of a performance hit running 32 bit kernel and os on an amd64 chip ? |
| 05:18.36 | somiaj | MrHatter: most likley not...but check the vbox manual for more detials |
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| 05:19.41 | MrHatter | in general anyone ? any good reasons not to leave an i686 kernel and os with an amd64 cpu ? |
| 05:20.15 | adminewb | not sure whether my own wireless driver rt2800usb+friends is substandard; when I try using it with a backport kernel for 6.0, it times out on encryption key authorizing; rt2800sta module with stock kernel works fine on the same configuration |
| 05:20.18 | MrHatter | besides the obvious of not being able to add loads of ram... |
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| 05:23.57 | ugly_duck | is 128mbs enough ram to install locales or do i not need them? |
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| 05:35.29 | wols | why wouldn't you install them? |
| 05:35.49 | wols | and why does it matter how much memory you have? |
| 05:36.09 | gnarface | ugly_duck: yes, you need them. yes, its plenty of ram |
| 05:36.14 | wols | MrHatter: there are not real reasons except the RAM |
| 05:36.42 | ugly_duck | gnarface: had to shut down lots of services to get them to install.... kept saying exausted memory etc ..lol finally installecd |
| 05:36.54 | gnarface | ugly_duck: you're running without swap, aren't you? |
| 05:37.37 | wols | you need swap. apt needs quite a bit amount of memory when it runs |
| 05:38.51 | gnarface | this is why people who know better shouldn't come in here and say rediculous shit like "swap just slows you down. who would ever use swap?" |
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| 05:39.06 | gnarface | it just spreads misinformation |
| 05:39.56 | wols | but it DOES waste my diskspace :P |
| 05:40.15 | subuser | when my boot screen passes by, i see a message about premount script resume failed with an error code listed, but can't find it in logs |
| 05:40.46 | subuser | i did a google on this problem and found a archive about soembody who had his /tmp filesystem mounted noexec, so i tried remounting mine noexec, but the message still arrives |
| 05:41.01 | wols | !bootlogd |
| 05:41.01 | dpkg | bootlogd is probably disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 05:41.03 | subuser | something about apt needing /tmp to execute something during kernel compilation or something |
| 05:41.16 | subuser | or installation* |
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| 05:42.08 | subuser | ok, i'll try that next time and pastebin the error |
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| 05:49.21 | gnarface | them: why would anyone use swap? omgz its the 21'st century swap is slow and and so last century |
| 05:49.32 | gnarface | me: uh... but it gives you spare ram |
| 05:50.00 | gnarface | them: hey why can't i install locales without shutting down all my services? should i go without locales AND swap? its forward-thinking strategy here |
| 05:50.15 | gnarface | me: you're already running without swap, aren't you? |
| 05:50.26 | gnarface | them: [crickets] |
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| 05:52.19 | arosen2 | I'm getting this on apt-get update |
| 05:52.23 | arosen2 | W: Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 86.59.118.148 80] |
| 05:52.33 | arosen2 | I think it's causing this error |
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| 05:52.38 | arosen2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.47 | arosen2 | any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 05:54.22 | gnarface | arosen2: lenny is deprecated |
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| 05:54.55 | MrHatter | wols, thx |
| 05:55.45 | wols | !tell arosen2 about bat |
| 05:55.52 | wols | gnarface: it's still supported |
| 05:56.21 | gnarface | wols: but he *should* have already upgraded to squeeze, no? |
| 05:56.30 | wols | arosen2: ah, non-free and backports. I don't think there ever was a non-free backports repo |
| 05:56.46 | wols | gnarface: no. still supported as I said, so still supported here |
| 05:57.14 | arosen2 | yea i removed that and was able to get an older sql that works |
| 05:57.32 | wols | arosen2: btw, the mysql error is totally independent. mysql is in main, non non-free. all of it |
| 05:58.05 | wols | ,versions mysql-common |
| 05:58.07 | judd | Package mysql-common on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.57-3; wheezy: 5.1.57-3; sid: 5.1.57-3.1 |
| 05:58.13 | gnarface | wols: you're insane. its slated for end of life. don't go around telling people to hang on to lenny unless they have a god damned good need |
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| 05:59.02 | gnarface | arosen2: lenny is old stable. you should be able to get it working by updating your sources to point to an archive of it, but you should also seriously consider updating to squeeze at the earliest safe opportunity to do so |
| 05:59.46 | simonlnu | while the ad hominem is uncalled for, i do agree with gnarface otherwise on that point |
| 05:59.49 | adminewb | someone seemed to believe there's a better means than bootlogd for logging boot console |
| 06:00.35 | wols | simonlnu: remember the gazillion VPSes out there? yes it's depressing |
| 06:01.15 | simonlnu | yes i do... *shudder* |
| 06:01.20 | simonlnu | kopral: don't do that |
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| 06:23.09 | dbb | hi - what line do I add to sources.list to get Postgresql 9 in Debian 6 ? |
| 06:24.22 | somiaj | dbb: is postgresql in debian? If you can get 9 from sid you can look for a backport or make on yourself |
| 06:24.27 | wols | ,versions postgresql-9 |
| 06:24.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'postgresql-9' was found in i386. |
| 06:24.32 | wols | ,versions postgresql-9.0 |
| 06:24.34 | judd | Package postgresql-9.0 on i386 -- lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.0.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 9.0.4-1+b1; wheezy: 9.0.4-1+b1 |
| 06:24.43 | wols | dbb: backports has it |
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| 06:26.02 | dbb | squeeze backports ? |
| 06:26.21 | dbb | I am not sure how this goes |
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| 06:27.04 | wols | go to backports.org and read the instructions |
| 06:27.11 | dbb | ok |
| 06:27.35 | wols | ok, better go to backports.debian.org |
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| 06:29.42 | dbb | here ... http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 06:30.11 | dbb | though I get.. Failed to fetch, Not Found |
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| 06:30.29 | dbb | 404 Not Found [IP: 86.59.118.148 80] |
| 06:31.38 | wols | you get a 404 from what? |
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| 06:32.47 | dbb | Err http://www.backports.org squeeze-backports/main amd64 Packages |
| 06:33.05 | dbb | .. but, some of it apparently worked, because I am seeing pg9 now.. |
| 06:33.13 | dbb | sorry, but thats what I am seeing |
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| 06:33.58 | wols | !tell dbb about bat |
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| 06:36.04 | dbb | http://paste.debian.net/122839/ |
| 06:36.11 | dbb | I dont have any custom package policies |
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| 06:37.25 | wols | the url http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/squeeze-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz downloads just fine with a normal browser for me. no 404 |
| 06:37.39 | dbb | I believe you! |
| 06:37.45 | dbb | but, thats what happened just now |
| 06:37.58 | dbb | I *did* get the pg9 packages I needed, and am installing them |
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| 06:40.12 | wols | then have fun with your new RDBMS :) |
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| 06:40.24 | dbb | thx wols ;-) |
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| 06:44.37 | kish | is there a single aptitude install commmand that gets you setup with x and gnome? |
| 06:45.01 | excloo | Hey, anyone know of a way to list every package not required by any other package? All my packages are explicitly installed and any help would be appreciated :) |
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| 06:45.34 | wols | kish: aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 06:45.41 | kish | thanks |
| 06:45.57 | wols | kish: tho there are different gnome install packages. /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 06:46.16 | wols | "gnome" installs everything and the kitchensink |
| 06:46.30 | wols | excloo: why are you using apt then? |
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| 06:47.19 | kish | i can live with that for now |
| 06:47.22 | excloo | wols, because I am :) |
| 06:47.50 | excloo | I just need to find out all the packages that aren't dependancies :p |
| 06:48.02 | wols | excloo: also, a package like "gnome" is not required by any package either but you don't want to remove it |
| 06:48.24 | wols | excloo: that's not what you want to remove |
| 06:48.25 | excloo | I don't plan on removing them, I'm making a minimal install |
| 06:48.54 | excloo | I'll remove what I don't need by myself |
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| 06:49.03 | excloo | Just have no idea how to get the list |
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| 06:50.48 | wols | try deborphan and debfoster |
| 06:51.13 | excloo | Is there really no way just to print out a straight list : |
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| 06:53.52 | excloo | wols, will debfoster still work OK? |
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| 06:54.01 | excloo | It's depreciated apparently |
| 06:55.16 | kingsley | How would you check if a sendmail daemon has received any emails? Does it have a log file or queue? |
| 06:55.39 | wols | for what you are trying to do, you're doing it all wrong: In a VM, install from a netinst debian iso. Don't select anything in tasksel.then disable recommends in apt.conf. now install what you want. voila: minimal debian installation |
| 06:56.06 | wols | kingsley: check what your MTA actually is. if you ask this question you don't run sendmail. probably exim. but check first |
| 06:56.10 | excloo | wols, I can't this is on OpenVZ |
| 06:56.24 | excloo | So I'm taking a vanilla debian 6 |
| 06:56.48 | wols | excloo: you can. you just don't want to. that VM can run anywhere, preferably on your desktop. I doubt your desktop runs openvz. you simply leave out the kernel in your list then |
| 06:57.24 | excloo | and running this: http://info.cedricd.org/minimal-debian |
| 06:57.46 | excloo | wols, I run Arch Linux on my PC :) |
| 06:58.00 | subuser | i'm looking through this ldap page on shared libraries, and they say the library's real name should add to the link a minor and release number, and i noticed this libnsl file in /lib |
| 06:58.08 | excloo | Sorry for being ignorant BTW, I'm just trying to figure this out :| |
| 06:58.12 | subuser | it doesn't seem to follow that |
| 06:58.18 | wols | excloo: and? is the word "VM" too complicated for you? |
| 06:58.43 | subuser | tldp* |
| 06:59.04 | subuser | is there a reason for that, or just an oversight? |
| 06:59.06 | wols | subuser: ls -l libnsl* usually the ones without version numbers link to a file that has a version number |
| 06:59.33 | excloo | wols, I'm sorry, is it so hard to just print this list? Pacman on Arch can do it in a single command :| |
| 06:59.39 | excloo | pacman -Qt |
| 06:59.50 | wols | then run arch in your vps. have a nice day |
| 06:59.55 | subuser | yeah, it says /lib/libnsl-2.11.2.so - and the link is /lib/libnsl.so.1 |
| 07:00.05 | excloo | wols, thanks for the help :) |
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| 07:00.13 | wols | subuser: you probably get more than one line |
| 07:00.36 | subuser | the other one's are ok, they have the lib<name>.so.version and the real names have the .minor.release added |
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| 07:02.29 | wols | subuser: it is exactly like this howto describes. nsl.o links to so.1 and so.1 links to nsl-2.13.so |
| 07:02.45 | wols | rather nsl.so links to so.1 |
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| 07:44.21 | wam | I have an entry in my source-nat table (netstat-nat -NS) which I need to remove. It's for an IP-address that's not in any routing table or netfilter rule. But it persists. Any possible solution? Or reboot, because that's a bug? |
| 07:44.27 | tab1ta | Hello |
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| 07:47.17 | tab1ta | how can you convert a file system wich is read-only to a writable one? |
| 07:47.50 | wam | tab1ta: if you're lucky with sth like "mount -oremount rw /dev/path" |
| 07:48.02 | tab1ta | the options in fstab are: auto user,defaults 0 0 |
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| 07:48.22 | wam | mount -oremount,rw /dev/path rather |
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| 08:13.29 | superlinux | hi. what can be used to pick a color from anywhere on the screen? |
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| 08:15.00 | Bushmills | color selectors. for example, gimp's |
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| 08:15.25 | aLgEBrA | superlinux, on kde i now theres a widget for the panel |
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| 08:15.52 | superlinux | aLgEBrA, yes I know, but donno its name |
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| 08:16.15 | Bushmills | nm me saying "gimp" - not gimp's :) |
| 08:16.35 | superlinux | Bushmills, maybe it'll work |
| 08:17.04 | superlinux | no, it wont |
| 08:17.16 | Bushmills | many selectors allow picking from anywhere, but gimp was a bad example |
| 08:17.21 | anaschema | try gcolor2 |
| 08:18.09 | wols | gpick |
| 08:18.51 | superlinux | anaschema, yeah . i just looked it up. there is a kde one good for HTML colors |
| 08:19.06 | superlinux | that's what I am looking for |
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| 08:19.38 | Barbagianni | on install a .deb give this error http://tinyurl.com/66bze4e |
| 08:22.05 | anaschema | was there some error? or are you getting page views for some game? |
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| 08:24.02 | Barbagianni | on install a .deb give this error http://tinyurl.com/66bze4e |
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| 08:25.32 | jelly | !ops Barbagianni intentionally spamming |
| 08:25.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: Barbagianni intentionally spamming |
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| 08:28.01 | Barbagianni | on install a .deb give this error http://tinyurl.com/66bze4e |
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| 08:28.45 | boudiccas | Barbagianni; stop it! we heard you the first time |
| 08:28.51 | DistroJockey | Ignore Barbagianni |
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| 08:29.04 | meeg | how to remove broken package? i'm trying aptitude purge -f opennx, but with no success |
| 08:29.37 | boudiccas | meeg; apt-get autoremove |
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| 08:31.19 | meeg | still broken |
| 08:31.33 | meeg | this error: xdg-desktop-menu: No writable system menu directory found |
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| 08:34.47 | Barbagianni | on install a .deb give this error http://tinyurl.com/66bze4e |
| 08:35.19 | meeg | trying google it, hope die last |
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| 08:36.15 | Bushmills | you think tinyurls actually lead to an error he pasted? i doubt that. |
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| 08:37.39 | meeg | i'm about my broken pack |
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| 08:37.46 | timo | tinyurl.com has a nice, cookie-dependent preview feature. it was link to some gaming site that would probably have granted his 'character' some bonuese |
| 08:38.38 | diceroll | meeg, it s a third party repo ? |
| 08:38.43 | jelly | Bushmills: http://preview.tinyurl.com/66bze4e shows the link goes to a greenpeace promotional site that has nothing to do with deb packages |
| 08:39.06 | jelly | it's an intentionally misleading message |
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| 08:40.05 | diceroll | meeg, do you still have it in your source.list ? |
| 08:40.23 | meeg | yes 3d party, yes have |
| 08:40.30 | jelly | meeg: which debian release are you using? Was the package built exactly for that release? |
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| 08:41.16 | meeg | squeeze, no this was for lenny |
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| 08:42.14 | diceroll | meeg, according to what i read from the opennx website there is a repository for debian 6 |
| 08:42.52 | diceroll | maybe you can try to change your source.list accordingly first ? |
| 08:43.18 | meeg | yes, now they have, but i'm installed opennx when it was no repo for squeeze |
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| 08:45.09 | meeg | i'm tried to add squueze repo add reinstall package, bo success |
| 08:45.15 | meeg | *no |
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| 08:55.49 | SkilZ | how do I setup a local mailserver? |
| 08:56.08 | diceroll | meeg, is it still complaining about xdg-desktop-menu ? |
| 08:56.15 | meeg | yes |
| 08:57.19 | wols | SkilZ: very carefully. we need more info to suggest anything |
| 08:57.32 | zappal | SkilZ: what do you prefer exim or postfix? |
| 08:57.43 | meeg | it's because old package didn't remove |
| 08:57.56 | wols | !tell meeg about bat |
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| 09:00.14 | d33tah | hi guys |
| 09:00.28 | diceroll | hi |
| 09:00.35 | d33tah | i can' |
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| 09:00.52 | d33tah | i can't S3 resume on my laptop |
| 09:01.13 | d33tah | the screen stays black, i'm using KMS on an intel GPU |
| 09:01.47 | d33tah | i tried googling and couldn't find any useful hints |
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| 09:02.16 | SkilZ | zappal: no idea next done it, whats the easyer option for me to configure? |
| 09:02.23 | SkilZ | next/never |
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| 09:03.09 | wols | SkilZ: they're a matter of taste |
| 09:03.11 | wols | !simplemail |
| 09:03.16 | zappal | SkilZ: perhaps exim is already on your system. what is dpkg -l | grep exim saying? |
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| 09:09.48 | meeg | wols: thanks |
| 09:10.19 | meeg | but i'm solve it another way, thanks for help guys |
| 09:10.30 | SkilZ | zappal: |
| 09:10.34 | SkilZ | ii exim4 4.72-6+squeeze2 metapackage to ease E |
| 09:10.44 | SkilZ | and 3 other lines |
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| 09:11.23 | xorlg | hello |
| 09:11.28 | meeg | hi |
| 09:11.49 | xorlg | I thought I was alone. |
| 09:12.39 | wrksx | hi there |
| 09:12.52 | xorlg | i was just passing by. |
| 09:13.45 | xorlg | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.00 | zappal | SkilZ: exim is on your system, you can configure exim4 for example with the cmd "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
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| 09:14.07 | xorlg | any directions |
| 09:14.15 | wols | xorlg: #defocus. this is a debian support channel |
| 09:14.25 | xorlg | sorry |
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| 09:14.45 | zappal | SkilZ: http://blog.edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/exim4.html |
| 09:14.49 | wrksx | I'm tryin to fill out a password request on an interactive command (sshfs) and found out "expect" was the tool to use. So I apt installed it, and now when tryin to call sshfs from a script #/usr/bin/expect returns an ugly "invalid command name "sshfs"" |
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| 09:15.43 | wrksx | any idea what's goin on ? |
| 09:15.46 | messerting | Hi, I'm trying to compile mp3fs for my arm based Guruplug server +, but need liblame-dev. Anyone knows where I can get it? |
| 09:16.06 | wols | !tell messerting about dmm |
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| 09:29.45 | esto_ | i have squeeze, and when i try any shortcut with alt key (alt+f2 to krunner for example) in xorg,i'0m changed to the tty 2 and when i return with alt+f7 to xorg krunnner appeare |
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| 09:30.18 | esto_ | any ideas what i have to change to dont change to the ttys ? |
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| 09:31.07 | esto_ | and work as expected? |
| 09:32.24 | cusco | normally I would have to press ctrl + alt + f2 |
| 09:32.42 | cusco | dunno where that keybind can be configured but im curious too |
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| 09:33.24 | babilen | esto_: try other (higher) ttys too -- tty8 or tty9 for example. |
| 09:33.52 | esto_ | doesnt happen because ttys doesnt exist |
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| 09:34.01 | esto_ | happens with alt + arrows too |
| 09:34.23 | cusco | esto_: that's how it should happen if you were not on X |
| 09:34.31 | cusco | alt + fX or alt + arrow |
| 09:34.37 | esto_ | yes |
| 09:34.39 | esto_ | but im in X |
| 09:34.56 | cusco | yes... Im curious to see someone replying to you... |
| 09:35.04 | cusco | (sorr I can't help you) |
| 09:35.22 | babilen | esto_: Ok, you might have experienced #603767 |
| 09:35.24 | anaschema | it's probably something simple like a stuck ctrl key >.> |
| 09:36.47 | babilen | esto_: I don't quite understand your problem. You can change ttys, but when you return to tty7 X is gone? What does this have to do with the keybindings? |
| 09:37.05 | babilen | esto_: And if whatever is wrong with the keys, does chvt work? |
| 09:37.22 | esto_ | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467539 |
| 09:37.27 | esto_ | happens this |
| 09:37.39 | esto_ | ( but im in squeeze ) |
| 09:37.56 | wrksx | if I run a script from the shell, will it inherit it's permissions from my user ? |
| 09:38.17 | wrksx | i mean will the script run command with the same permissions I got ? |
| 09:38.57 | esto_ | chvt works babilen |
| 09:39.15 | anaschema | wrksx, yep |
| 09:39.25 | wrksx | anaschema, ok thanks |
| 09:39.31 | esto_ | its a intel graphic card |
| 09:40.20 | babilen | esto_: It is just that ALT+F# changes the tty as explained in the bug report? I have to admit that I would be very surprised if that bug hadn't been found by now. Could you run "xev" for a second and check if CTRL is currently emitting signals? |
| 09:40.50 | anaschema | it's a 3 year old bug too :o |
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| 09:41.35 | esto_ | no emiting signals |
| 09:41.36 | esto_ | :S |
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| 09:42.12 | esto_ | i have lxc installed and running |
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| 09:42.40 | esto_ | im not sure if its important |
| 09:43.00 | SkilZ | anyone know if its possible to copy a ****** masked password from a NETGEAR router config page and paste into a file to read? |
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| 09:44.34 | esto_ | and kde |
| 09:44.42 | babilen | esto_: Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log along with the output of "dpkg -l 'xserver-*'" please? |
| 09:44.54 | esto_ | yes |
| 09:44.54 | pecenipicek | my brain has gone dead, how can i check if i'm running 64 or 32 bit debian? |
| 09:45.06 | pecenipicek | uname -a? |
| 09:45.13 | anaschema | SkilZ, if you see the stars, maybe your browser has the password saved and autofilled it for you? that's your best chance i think |
| 09:45.51 | wols | pecenipicek: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 09:45.52 | jelly | pecenipicek: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 09:45.53 | SkilZ | anaschema: the router has the password saved and autofilled, I want to see what it is |
| 09:46.04 | wols | pecenipicek: kernel is not an indicator since you can run a amd64 kernel on i386 |
| 09:46.12 | pecenipicek | thank you. |
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| 09:46.15 | babilen | esto_: It might also be interesting to see you trying to reproduce it in a different DE/WM -- Could you, for example, start a second X session with "X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm" and try it from there? |
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| 09:46.19 | wols | SkilZ: check the html source |
| 09:46.27 | pecenipicek | so i installed i386 on that box. okay. |
| 09:46.31 | SkilZ | I mean as in Login: blahblah@f00bah.com Password: ************** |
| 09:46.32 | anaschema | try backing up it's configuration and see what you get (i have no idea really sorry) |
| 09:46.56 | pecenipicek | now on to my other problem... oracle's thrice damned odbc driver wont load. |
| 09:47.11 | babilen | esto_: Ah, and please try "xev" again and press the CTRL key :) |
| 09:47.26 | pecenipicek | after setting up everything correctly, it spits out "[01000][unixODBC][Driver Manager]Can't open lib '/usr/lib/oracle/11.2/client/lib/libsqora.so.11.1' : file not found |
| 09:47.26 | pecenipicek | " |
| 09:47.30 | SkilZ | ââââââââââââ |
| 09:47.37 | pecenipicek | the file is there. |
| 09:47.43 | SkilZ | bahh thats how it comes out when I copy and paste |
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| 09:47.56 | wols | pecenipicek: and you added the directory to ld.so.conf? |
| 09:48.07 | pecenipicek | wols, you betcha, |
| 09:48.30 | babilen | SkilZ: Yes, you can not copy that. I guess you'll have to reset the router if you forgot the password. But what does this have to do with Debian? |
| 09:49.08 | pecenipicek | wols, also, note i defined a strict path to the driver in the odbcinst.ini file as well. |
| 09:49.26 | SkilZ | babilen: I was not sure where to ask |
| 09:49.39 | wols | pecenipicek: permissions? a shared lib the libsqora needs doesn't load? etc? |
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| 09:49.49 | wols | SkilZ: #networking |
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| 09:50.06 | esto_ | http://pastebin.com/GV4KGYGi |
| 09:50.07 | pecenipicek | wols, well, ldd says that libaio is not found. |
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| 09:50.28 | pecenipicek | oh screw you oracle. |
| 09:50.35 | pecenipicek | it works now. |
| 09:50.36 | babilen | me seconds that |
| 09:50.55 | pecenipicek | i just need to beat the TNSNAMES.ORA file out of the db admin... |
| 09:51.17 | esto_ | "X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm" and try it from there? |
| 09:51.26 | wrksx | !bin |
| 09:51.27 | dpkg | [.bin] NOT a meaningful filename extension. "aptitude install file", then run file on your .bin and see what it is (or, read it with less). Or read the README file that should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try "sh myfile.bin". .bin is the extension used by some JDK installers (which are executable files) and is also a Macintosh archive format (MacBinary). If it is a CD image, ask me about <bin-cue>. |
| 09:51.33 | esto_ | here alt+f2 appears Q |
| 09:51.43 | esto_ | but not changed to tty2 |
| 09:51.50 | wols | you folks never do screwing as good as oracle does it to you and everyone else. just admit it if you are beaten by a master and don't embarass yourselves :P |
| 09:52.05 | pecenipicek | wols, indeed... -.- |
| 09:52.11 | esto_ | going to try with gnome |
| 09:52.47 | babilen | esto_: Thanks, I'll take a look at the information you have so far. You can start the second X from a console. |
| 09:52.55 | babilen | esto_: bbl |
| 09:53.22 | wrksx | http://pastie.org/2211692 <-- any idea what could be wrong with this script ? it runs ok (no errors) but the filesystem is not mounted. Any idea how could i find out what's wrong with it ? |
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| 09:55.42 | SkilZ | how do I install javaruntime envirenment |
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| 09:56.04 | esto_ | babilen: with gdm3 doesnt happen |
| 09:56.09 | esto_ | only with kdm |
| 09:56.37 | wols | !tell SkilZ about install java |
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| 09:57.51 | babilen | esto_: Wonderful, still a very disconcerting bug -- Have you checked if the bug has been filed against kdm? |
| 09:58.44 | babilen | esto_: Unfortunacely I do not know much about KDE amd kdm in particular, but I still wonder how this bug could have gone unnoticed for that long. |
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| 09:59.20 | babilen | esto_: Could you do me the favour and run "xev" and press all three keys (*not* simultaneously) |
| 09:59.34 | esto_ | yes |
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| 10:00.12 | esto_ | http://pastebin.com/HeKLZ26w |
| 10:00.26 | esto_ | 37 |
| 10:00.28 | esto_ | 64 |
| 10:00.30 | esto_ | adn 68 |
| 10:00.33 | esto_ | and* |
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| 10:05.22 | babilen | esto_: That looks just like it should -- that was in gdm, wasn't it? Could you start kdm again and run "xkbwatch" and xev and paste the result? |
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| 10:07.00 | babilen | esto_: So, you've not only changed from KDE to Gnome but also changed the login manager? It might actually be a problem with KDM, and you might want to ask in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net about that. #debian-x on the same server also comes to mind, but a little more debugging would be interesting. |
| 10:07.23 | babilen | esto_: when you run "xkbwatch" are any "lights" lit? |
| 10:07.44 | babilen | esto_: And do the lights change when you press CTRL? |
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| 10:08.47 | babilen | esto_: Could you please also run "xmodmap" and paste the result? |
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| 10:10.28 | kriegerod | is there any poll results showing how many percents use debian stable/testing/unstable? |
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| 10:24.49 | wols | kriegerod: popcon.debian.org maybe |
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| 10:25.52 | adv_ | how can i install only one pkg from debian experimental? i want mono and monodevelop |
| 10:25.58 | adv_ | i'm on squeeze |
| 10:26.16 | wols | !tell adv about ssb |
| 10:26.39 | wols | dunno how hard mono is. could be non-trivial |
| 10:26.41 | adv_ | !tell adv_ about ssb |
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| 10:27.23 | wols | !tell adv_ about selftell |
| 10:28.09 | adv_ | wols, i want mono 2.8+ instead of 2.4 that squeeze has. which is easiest way? |
| 10:28.47 | abrotman | squeeze has 2.6.x |
| 10:29.14 | abrotman | judd: versions mono-runtime |
| 10:29.15 | judd | Package mono-runtime on i386 -- lenny: 1.9.1+dfsg-6; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+2; sid: 2.6.7-5; squeeze: 2.6.7-5; wheezy: 2.6.7-5; experimental: 2.10.1-4 |
| 10:32.37 | adv_ | abrotman, yes sorry 2.6.7 |
| 10:32.39 | adv_ | i want 2.8 + |
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| 10:35.59 | abrotman | adv_: based on the info above, only experimental has 2.8+ |
| 10:37.21 | adv_ | abrotman, yes i'm trying to install mono-runtime from experimental but it conflicts with 24 pkgs |
| 10:37.30 | adv_ | that need libmono-corlib2.0-cil |
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| 10:38.24 | abrotman | i bet it does |
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| 10:39.11 | adv_ | abrotman, so what should i do? |
| 10:39.11 | wols | !tell adv_ about schroot |
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| 10:39.58 | Zvpun | Hi, I always thought that I can only execute programs with read and execute permission. Today I executed a program for which I only got execute permission. How is that possible? Don't I need to read the executable in order to execve() it? |
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| 10:41.24 | CruX| | Zvpun: for binaries executable is enough |
| 10:41.42 | CruX| | for scripts bash/perl/python.... you need read permissions |
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| 10:42.15 | Zvpun | I see. so what is the reason that most of the installed binaries have r-x permissions instead of --x? |
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| 10:42.37 | anaschema | so you can run strings on them probably :P |
| 10:42.43 | bzed | Zvpun: why not? |
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| 10:43.01 | CruX| | Zvpun: some binaries/libs can have debug info |
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| 10:48.04 | Elboras | hi |
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| 10:53.15 | SkilZ | is the command to install multiple packages apt-get install package && package1 && package2 ect? |
| 10:54.05 | wols | apt-get install pckage package package ad infinitum |
| 10:54.12 | SkilZ | thanks |
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| 10:54.50 | wols | http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot and |
| 10:55.00 | wols | mispaste :( |
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| 10:55.29 | Sander^work | Is it hard to upgrade debian etch to squeeze ? |
| 10:56.18 | babilen | Sander^work: You have to upgrade to lenny first. Please follow the release notes for lenny and squeeze for details of this procedure. |
| 10:57.06 | Sander^work | babilen, where can I read those? |
| 10:57.39 | babilen | !tell Sander^work -about lenny release notes |
| 10:57.45 | babilen | !tell Sander^work -about release notes |
| 10:58.01 | Sander^work | babilen, google says it's just a few commands.. but your saying I have to take more things into consideration? |
| 10:58.33 | abrotman | backups maybe? |
| 10:58.40 | babilen | Sander^work: You *have* to upgrade to lenny first. That shouldn't be *that* hard and might boil down to a couple of commands. The upgrade to squeeze is a bit more involved. |
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| 10:59.45 | babilen | Sander^work: But we do not know which software you have running and which services you offer. It might turn out to be quite some work. For the short version as dpkg "etch->lenny" and "lenny->squeeze". For example: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:00.28 | d33tah_ | i noticed that 2.6.39-2-686-pae kernel doesn't work well suspending on my debian stable. is it an issue worth filling a bugreport for? |
| 11:01.42 | abrotman | is it a backport, or did you just grab it from unstable? |
| 11:02.00 | d33tah_ | pretty much just grabbed it |
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| 11:02.34 | d33tah_ | abrotman: but I bet it won't work on vanilla either |
| 11:02.45 | abrotman | vanilla what? |
| 11:02.50 | abrotman | did it work on the .32 in squeeze? |
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| 11:03.00 | d33tah_ | it did |
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| 11:03.28 | d33tah_ | i meant vanilla kernel |
| 11:03.47 | abrotman | so why not just use that one? |
| 11:03.51 | abrotman | the .32 i mean |
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| 11:03.58 | d33tah_ | i want the autogrouping |
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| 11:05.51 | d33tah_ | might prove useful in the future |
| 11:06.20 | abrotman | more than the ability to suspend? |
| 11:06.31 | d33tah_ | i am greedy enough to want both :P |
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| 11:07.03 | d33tah_ | anyway, the question was whether it's worth filing a bugreport or not |
| 11:07.07 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 11:07.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 11:07.31 | d33tah_ | okay, and? |
| 11:07.46 | abrotman | d33tah_: try the .38 in squeeze-backports .. see how that works |
| 11:07.55 | d33tah_ | okay |
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| 11:15.28 | d33tah_ | abrotman: pretty weird, backport works fine |
| 11:15.59 | abrotman | d33tah_: and does it have your autogrouping ? |
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| 11:16.22 | d33tah_ | oh, it does! :D |
| 11:16.30 | d33tah_ | thanks a lot :D |
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| 11:35.19 | Sander^work | Anyone know which version of the kernel/netfilter which dosn't work with EPSV ftp commands.. which makes eg. lftp freeze on "ls" |
| 11:36.18 | colo-work | Sander^work, there's an ftp helper module for netfilter |
| 11:36.26 | colo-work | just load it and you should be set |
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| 11:37.36 | Sander^work | colo-work, I have 2.6.17-10.. do you know if I already have it then? |
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| 11:38.53 | colo-work | Sander^work, do you have a module named nf_conntrack_ftp.ko ? |
| 11:39.04 | colo-work | I'm not sure what kernel release it first appeared in |
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| 11:39.14 | colo-work | anyway, your distro may be carrying it longer already anyway |
| 11:39.23 | jelly | Sander^work: that's a bit outdated, a kernel older than Debian 4.0 |
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| 11:40.21 | jelly | Sander^work: but you could configure your ftp client to use active mode instead of passive |
| 11:40.51 | jelly | older ftp connection tracking modules dealt better with active |
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| 11:42.39 | Sander^work | colo-work, I don't see that module. |
| 11:43.17 | colo-work | `modprobe -l "+ftp*"` yielding anything? |
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| 11:43.22 | colo-work | `modprobe -l "*ftp*"` yielding anything? |
| 11:43.43 | jelly | Sander^work: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name '*conntrack*ftp*' |
| 11:44.28 | Sander^work | colo-work, ah.. there it is "ip" instead of "nf": ip_conntrack_ftp.ko |
| 11:44.53 | colo-work | might just be a functional equivalent. modinfo could tell you. |
| 11:44.56 | jelly | that changed around 2.6.20-ish |
| 11:45.00 | babilen | Sander^work: How come you use such an old kernel? |
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| 11:46.31 | Sander^work | babilen, because it's too much work to upgrade the software to make it compatible with the new version.. using an ldap version of pureftpd where ldap layout changed. |
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| 11:47.02 | ironm | good morning - can you give a hint where I can find kernel 3.0-rc7 .deb packages (amd64) for wheezy, please. Thank you in advance for any hints |
| 11:47.10 | babilen | Sander^work: Which software? So you are running a severely outdated version of Debian? |
| 11:47.20 | jelly | Sander^work: the kernel can often (not always) be changed without affecting the userspace |
| 11:47.43 | babilen | ironm: AFAICT there is only rc6 in experimental |
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| 11:48.03 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 11:48.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 11:48.03 | Sander^work | babilen, as I said.. pureftpd. |
| 11:48.13 | colo-work | ugh, ftp |
| 11:48.18 | colo-work | high time to get rid of that rubbish |
| 11:48.29 | babilen | Sander^work: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 11:48.41 | nevyn | ironm: if you really want it you can build a package from git using make deb-pkg after configuring |
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| 11:48.43 | babilen | colo-work: Indeed - FTP MUST DIE! |
| 11:48.49 | ironm | thank you babilen. the point is that 3.6-rc6 doesn't currently support aufs and I need it for xen debian live images |
| 11:48.49 | jelly | Sander^work: dpkg -l libc6 dpkg |tail -2 |
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| 11:48.58 | jelly | ironm: build your own. |
| 11:49.08 | babilen | ironm: You can compile it yourself as nevyn mentioned. |
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| 11:49.47 | ironm | thank you nevyn and jelly . I am not very familiar with building own kernel packages .. how complicated is it? |
| 11:50.08 | Sander^work | babilen, sorry to say it, but I actually found out now I use ubuntu 6.10.. Using a mostly debian on all the other servers tho. |
| 11:50.10 | ironm | if there is a kind howto I can try it however |
| 11:50.20 | Sander^work | jelly, ii dpkg 1.13.22ubuntu7 package maintenance system for Debian ii libc6 2.4-1ubuntu12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:50.22 | nevyn | ironm: do you know how to use git? |
| 11:50.34 | babilen | Sander^work: Well, a better channel would be #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server in that case. |
| 11:50.40 | ironm | knew a bit .. have to read again about nevyn |
| 11:51.22 | jelly | ironm: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingKernelFromUpstreamSources |
| 11:51.35 | jelly | ironm: but read the kernel-handbook as well |
| 11:51.36 | esto_ | babilen isolated the alt+fX problem |
| 11:51.42 | babilen | nevyn: Any particular reason why ironm should not just download the version from kernel.org? |
| 11:51.45 | esto_ | cames from a lxc container that i have |
| 11:51.53 | ironm | thank you very much jelly and babilen |
| 11:51.57 | nevyn | babilen: not really. |
| 11:51.57 | babilen | esto_: Ok, can you elaborate? |
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| 11:52.11 | esto_ | yes, squeeze is ok :) |
| 11:52.15 | nevyn | babilen: I find git easier than downloading .patch files ;) |
| 11:52.17 | Sander^work | babilen, I like this channel much more :-p |
| 11:52.29 | ironm | babilen, are there ready .deb kernel 3.0-c7 packages (kernel.org) ? |
| 11:52.31 | babilen | nevyn: I am personally all for using git, but it seems to complicate the matter for people who don't know how to use it yet :) |
| 11:52.48 | esto_ | i have a lxc contaainer booting ubuntu 8.04.3 with access to ttys and other things |
| 11:52.51 | babilen | Sander^work: Ubuntu is unfortunately still not on-topic here |
| 11:53.03 | nevyn | babilen: it's not like they have to rebase if they just use it to pull upstream ;) but yes. |
| 11:53.05 | esto_ | and seems that makes this behaviour |
| 11:53.08 | babilen | esto_: So we were talking about Ubuntu earlier? |
| 11:53.24 | babilen | nevyn: Indeed :) |
| 11:53.34 | esto_ | not sure exactly from were is the thing |
| 11:53.37 | babilen | nevyn: Just wanted to check if there is some other reason for it |
| 11:53.40 | esto_ | but doesnt starting lxc container |
| 11:53.48 | esto_ | makes squeeze work correctly |
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| 11:54.21 | babilen | esto_: So, squeeze (i.e. Debian) is working OK and you don't see that behaviour with it. With another Ubuntu install you see it, but you don't know how Ubuntu got on your box? |
| 11:55.04 | esto_ | yes its ubuntu 8.04.3 in a lxc container |
| 11:55.33 | ironm | jelly, it is anway very good idea to be able an own kernel .. so I will try. thanks a lot for the link / hints |
| 11:55.37 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a question about x64 and x32 i have heard that software on x64 use more ram. my machine has 1 gb ram so that is not a problem so what do u advice 32 or 64 bits OS? |
| 11:55.38 | nevyn | so is kernel-package going to be dropped from the distribution? |
| 11:55.45 | esto_ | but not sure what inside ubuntu 8.04.3 is making work like was acting before |
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| 11:55.59 | esto_ | dont started lxc container |
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| 11:56.03 | esto_ | and its working ok |
| 11:56.09 | babilen | esto_: Well, you might want to let #ubuntu know about that, but given that this is probably quite an outdated ubuntu version they will probably ask you to reproduce it with a current release. Be that as it may, glad you figured it out, but please ask Ubuntu question in the ubuntu channel in the future :) |
| 11:56.38 | esto_ | i'll do, but at the begin i think the problem was in squeeze |
| 11:56.44 | esto_ | this is the reason that i asked here :) |
| 11:56.46 | esto_ | sorry |
| 11:56.53 | babilen | Sure, no problem. Glad you figured it out! |
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| 11:58.35 | DistroJockey | ws2k3: Stick with 32bit. 64bit is only needed with around 4GB+ RAM (not technically correct but close enough in your case) :) |
| 11:58.53 | ws2k3 | i was already thinking that |
| 11:58.56 | ws2k3 | but had to be sure |
| 11:59.11 | DistroJockey | :) |
| 11:59.21 | ws2k3 | do u think it isnt a loss of the 64 bit poweR? |
| 11:59.23 | ws2k3 | of the cpu? |
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| 11:59.39 | ws2k3 | its for a VPS to its runs on very high quety hardware |
| 11:59.42 | colo-work | 32bit OS are obsolete, _especially_ for a server. |
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| 12:00.04 | ws2k3 | colo work what do u mean with obsolete |
| 12:00.07 | ws2k3 | my english ist that good |
| 12:00.09 | DistroJockey | really depends what you are doing |
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| 12:00.35 | ws2k3 | uhmm just some hosting |
| 12:00.45 | ws2k3 | of some stuff but i think i have to less ram |
| 12:00.54 | colo-work | ws2k3, not state of the art. there's no actual benefit in running a 32bit OS these days, but a lot of potential benefits in running a 64bit OS |
| 12:00.58 | ws2k3 | i heart somewhere that or x64 or x32 use more ram |
| 12:01.06 | colo-work | the much larger virtual address space, for instance |
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| 12:01.18 | colo-work | x86_64 uses more memory for storing addresses, that's correct |
| 12:01.21 | ws2k3 | hmm so ur advice is x64? |
| 12:01.22 | colo-work | (and also ireelevant) |
| 12:01.27 | colo-work | irrelevant* |
| 12:01.32 | ws2k3 | so 64 use more ram then 32? |
| 12:01.44 | colo-work | yes |
| 12:02.20 | DistroJockey | stick with 32bit in your case I think :) |
| 12:03.15 | ws2k3 | hmm now two guys are saying different things |
| 12:03.20 | ws2k3 | what ur comment to that colo |
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| 12:04.23 | DistroJockey | ws2k3: what is VPS? |
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| 12:05.01 | gnarface | ws2k3: i've got a entirely different view point for you: VPS's suck. the questions you are asking are only relevant to people with real servers. you are like a man trying to ask what type of automobile racing wheels to put on his donkey cart. |
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| 12:05.39 | gnarface | DistroJockey: Virtual Private Server (think VMware guest node) |
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| 12:06.08 | DistroJockey | gnarface: ahh, cheers. So many acronyms these days |
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| 12:07.01 | DistroJockey | not gonna be able to do much VPS with 1GB of RAM I'd imagine |
| 12:07.42 | gnarface | i'm certain that in his case it won't matter at all |
| 12:08.01 | gnarface | the things that will limit his performance will have nothing to do with the size of integers |
| 12:08.03 | babilen | DistroJockey: Just to let you know, VPS would be an initialism </knowitall> |
| 12:08.05 | DistroJockey | the RAM or the Bitness? |
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| 12:09.29 | JonB | I have some debootstrap problems with getting grub installed. It tries to ask questions on the console even though I use apt-get -y --force-yes install it still wants me to answer some questions on the console which I can not do |
| 12:10.00 | DistroJockey | babilen: ok knowitall, what the difference between an acronym and and initialism? ;) |
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| 12:10.47 | DistroJockey | sorry, I'm off topic, please ignore |
| 12:11.18 | DistroJockey | I agree gnarface |
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| 12:13.59 | gnarface | ws2k3: i'm sorry to put it so harshly but it is important you understand my meaning. you are wasting a lot of energy worrying about something meaningless in your situation. it is valuable for a HOST system for VPS's to have 64 bit hardware and a 64-bit OS but the guests probably will operate the same in 32-bit or 64-bit mode, from a performance stand point. do you understand? |
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| 12:15.28 | gnarface | god if this guy actually owns a donkey and a cart i'm gonna feel terrible |
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| 12:15.39 | babilen | heh |
| 12:15.58 | wrksx | gnarface, ws2k3, yeah i confirm, tried to use a VPS and it pretty much suckss |
| 12:16.34 | gnarface | its fine for basic purposes and they tend to be cheaper by orders of magnitude, but "basic purposes" do NOT include worrying about the size of your integer representation |
| 12:16.59 | ayambit | [crt] but I can login via ssh, see on which pts I am (say /dev/pts/12), login again and say cat /dev/pts/12 and after this I'll see something then typing on that pts12. |
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| 12:18.03 | wrksx | gnarface, i ran a test with a guy from IRC and mysql was performing 11 times slower the same script than an old laptop from 2005 |
| 12:18.05 | ayambit | [crt] I'll get every second keypress then and every 1st one will be on that pts12. |
| 12:18.21 | ayambit | *when |
| 12:18.27 | gnarface | wrksx: ouch. which virtualization solution? |
| 12:18.43 | wrksx | gnarface, don't even remember =) |
| 12:18.50 | wrksx | gnarface, a common one |
| 12:19.04 | petemc | sounds pretty vague |
| 12:19.05 | wrksx | gnarface, large disk acces was a nightmare |
| 12:19.10 | gnarface | no doubt |
| 12:19.16 | wrksx | petemc, let me check then |
| 12:19.18 | wrksx | =) |
| 12:19.27 | petemc | its also anecdotal |
| 12:19.36 | babilen | Does anybody know which --march amd64 is compiled for? Would amd64 on Debian make use of more advanced processor festures? |
| 12:20.05 | wrksx | petemc, so I won't bother with that |
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| 12:20.17 | petemc | fair enough |
| 12:20.51 | gnarface | babilen: isn't it k8? that's a really vague recollection |
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| 12:21.33 | gnarface | babilen: is there even a k10 --march option? i haven't looked at them in forever |
| 12:21.44 | babilen | gnarface: I don't know, that is why I ask. And after the i386 is compiled for 586 surprise I don't trust my gut feelings anymore :) |
| 12:22.04 | gnarface | i386 is now compiled for 586!? |
| 12:22.12 | gnarface | oh boy |
| 12:22.15 | babilen | gnarface: Neither have I and I typically don't care about these things, but that *would* make a difference if you compare i386 and amd64 |
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| 12:23.01 | babilen | gnarface: Hang on, I'll get the thread for you. It was one of those: "Hmm, are we aware of the fact that we compile for 586 for some time already" posts |
| 12:23.28 | babilen | gnarface: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/05/msg00614.html |
| 12:23.54 | gnarface | damn |
| 12:23.59 | babilen | indeed |
| 12:24.19 | gnarface | i remember hearing when it went to 486 but it was explained to me that "you could still use it on a 386, so long as you had an MMU addon" |
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| 12:24.41 | gnarface | but that may have been utter misinformation and is clearly now out dated anyway |
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| 12:25.48 | gnarface | grr |
| 12:25.54 | gnarface | apparently i don't even have the gcc docs installed here |
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| 12:28.28 | gnarface | i don't actually have anything older than a p2 to test on though anymore. |
| 12:28.32 | DistroJockey | That reminds me: I stuck an issue when making a custom live image. --linux-flavours 686 failed |
| 12:29.22 | DistroJockey | struck^ |
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| 12:31.59 | DistroJockey | I know this may be the wrong channel but when I followed http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/live-manual.html#715 I had to replace the 686 with amd64 to get it to work. Maybe it's related, maybe not. |
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| 12:32.55 | hareldvd | reverse DNS resolution on my LAN crashes. Can I configure the DNS client not to resolve my subnet addresses? |
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| 12:33.10 | abrotman | crashes? |
| 12:33.40 | hareldvd | abrotman: connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 12:34.09 | hareldvd | abrotman: That was the message I get after about 10 seconds. |
| 12:34.18 | abrotman | that's not a crash |
| 12:34.26 | Inocid | if I have a multihomed machine, can I open an SMTP connection to another machine, making sure the connection comes from an IP from another range than the target? |
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| 12:34.57 | jelly | Inocid: when opening tcp connections you can specify the source ip. |
| 12:35.33 | jelly | Inocid: eg. netcat has -s, --source |
| 12:35.56 | hareldvd | abrotman: Sorry for the bad terminology. |
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| 12:36.20 | abrotman | hareldvd: is it your own DNS server? |
| 12:36.53 | hareldvd | It's the companies server. I think on MS. |
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| 12:37.47 | abrotman | you should probably find out and ask the admin why rdns is not working correctly |
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| 12:38.43 | Inocid | jelly: routing from source to target is ok if ping works, right? |
| 12:39.07 | jelly | Inocid: if you told the ping command to use the correct source address, yes |
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| 12:40.10 | WofFS | hareldvd: set up your own DNS-Server and provide your own zones for reverse resolution and forward the rest to your company's server. :-) |
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| 12:40.54 | abrotman | or have the LAN admin do it correctly ... |
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| 12:41.35 | WofFS | ... or switch off DNS at all and use a proxy which does resolution for you |
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| 12:42.05 | Inocid | jelly: tried with ping and setting the source, it doesn't work. do I miss a static route? |
| 12:42.05 | abrotman | or have the LAN admin do it correctly ... |
| 12:42.08 | WofFS | or set timeouts to a smaller value to avoid hanging |
| 12:42.11 | abrotman | or have the LAN admin do it correctly ... |
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| 12:44.32 | jelly | Inocid: possible. Can you pastebin the output of "ip a" and "ip r" (needs iproute package) and your source and target addresses |
| 12:44.55 | pielgrzym | hi, if I have pin-priority for a=lenny-backports in apt that equals 200 this means I can install specific packages with apt-get -t lenny-backports with deps from lenny-backports and they will be automatically updated from this repo? or do I have to remember to update them manually?? |
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| 12:45.37 | pielgrzym | on the other hand apt-get install mypackage/lenny-backports installs a package from this repo without pulling deps from this repo, rigth? |
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| 12:48.28 | Inocid | jelly: output of "ip a" and "ip r" is here: http://paste.debian.net/122865/ source is: 10.251.37.64 target is: 10.251.136.200 |
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| 12:50.09 | jelly | Inocid: well, you don't have a default route. There is no way for that source to send traffic to that destination. |
| 12:51.52 | jelly | Inocid: why do you what to do what you asked, anyway, instead of using the address local to that segment? |
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| 12:52.53 | Inocid | jelly: for testing reasons, it's a scenario of machines with these IPs and routers and firewalls inbetween |
| 12:53.07 | TheAvatar | does changing /etc/exports (adding a new export) affect current connected nfs clients? Debian6 |
| 12:54.02 | WofFS | TheAvatar: no. unless you do exportfs -a |
| 12:54.51 | TheAvatar | WolfFS, so -a (all, right?), does drop all current connections and re-export all nfs shares? |
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| 12:56.19 | WofFS | TheAvatar: I hope, exportfs -a does not drop anything, but I do not trust it. :-) |
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| 12:56.34 | jelly | TheAvatar: no |
| 12:56.59 | jelly | TheAvatar: but verify it before trusting random advice on irc |
| 12:57.49 | DammitJim | would you guys say that a hard drive is one of the bottlenecks on a machine? |
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| 12:59.01 | aLgEBrA | DammitJim, yes if your systems needs to swap out memory |
| 12:59.45 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm |
| 13:00.00 | DammitJim | so, I wouldn't notice a big increase in performance by using an SSD vs a regular one? |
| 13:00.03 | jelly | DammitJim: it depends. |
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| 13:00.35 | DammitJim | yeah, where would I notice an increase in performance? |
| 13:00.37 | jelly | DammitJim: anything can be a bottleneck depending on your actual workload. |
| 13:00.37 | DammitJim | boot up times? |
| 13:01.13 | TheAvatar | jelly, yer - we decided to migrate active stuff away first, then run it |
| 13:01.28 | TheAvatar | we can't afford things going down |
| 13:01.30 | DammitJim | I'd just like to know to make an informed decision to buy a new hard drive and if I should spend the extra cash on SSD |
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| 13:02.09 | Inocid | jelly: how would I set the default route to make the connection work? |
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| 13:04.54 | jelly | TheAvatar: but running exportfs on a single mountpoint won't affect others |
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| 13:09.00 | jelly | Inocid: the usual longterm way is to add a gateway line in the relevant iface stanza in /etc/network/interfaces, read interfaces(5) |
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| 13:10.59 | jelly | Inocid: so you'd add "gateway 10.251.37.1" to iface eth0 inet static if 10.251.37.1 was your default router |
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| 13:11.29 | ws2k3 | its a vps from a highrated company so thats isnt the problem |
| 13:11.51 | joltcan | Is it safe to use resize2fs on ext4 to extend it (I use ext4 on top of lvm) |
| 13:12.00 | jelly | Inocid: but it seems _this_ source machine is supposed to be a router, is that correct |
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| 13:12.04 | TheAvatar | jelly, okay - thanks for the info |
| 13:12.09 | TheAvatar | I wont get to use it this time after all tho |
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| 13:12.11 | TheAvatar | not directly |
| 13:12.14 | ws2k3 | but i'm still looking for 32 or 64 bits on a 1 gb system |
| 13:12.29 | UukGoblin | hi, do you know how to interpret the output of "free"? it reports buffers and cache on two lines, each different, and I can't get the figures to add up in any way |
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| 13:12.48 | Inocid | jelly: yes, in the real setup there is a router between the two networks. in my test lab I want the router to be on one of the networks (10.251.37.0) |
| 13:12.55 | jelly | ws2k3: test both? I'd go with i386. |
| 13:12.58 | ironm | jelly, what additional tools should I install to create kernel 3.0-rc7 packages? I have (quite empty) wheezy installation now |
| 13:13.02 | Inocid | jelly: more specific on the same machien |
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| 13:13.38 | jelly | ironm: uh, the wiki pages ought to tell you what else you need |
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| 13:14.27 | jelly | Inocid: well then. Is sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward enabled? |
| 13:14.42 | ironm | I will check it again jelly |
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| 13:15.36 | jelly | ironm: get build-essential for a start |
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| 13:16.06 | ironm | apt-get install build-essential fakeroot rsync svn |
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| 13:16.17 | Inocid | jelly: it is now |
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| 13:17.17 | jelly | Inocid: can you ping -I sourceip destip now? |
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| 13:18.58 | jelly | Inocid: if it wasn't enabled at boot you may need to enable it on relevant interfaces, too |
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| 13:19.15 | Inocid | jelly: I still can't ping from source |
| 13:19.18 | lancelot_of | hi all |
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| 13:19.38 | lancelot_of | is it possible to split and then merge a big tar.bz2 archive? |
| 13:20.04 | jelly | Inocid: sysctl -a |grep 'forwarding ' verify eth0 and eth2 |
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| 13:20.47 | colo-work | lancelot_of, `man split` |
| 13:20.56 | colo-work | use `cat` to merge a split'd file |
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| 13:21.33 | wols | ws2k3: the problem is that VPSes suck. no exception. they are ALL sub par servers can't be otherwise. for a VPS you take a (hopefully high end) server and carve it up into smaller servers with less RAM, less CPU power and cores, etc. |
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| 13:22.15 | lancelot_of | colo-work, so if i use split and cat at the end i'll have the whole archive (not corrupted)? |
| 13:22.17 | wols | ws2k3: so ALL VPS are slow and small compared to real servers. and 64bit is for usual stuff never appreciably faster unless you need 4GB or more RAM |
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| 13:22.24 | dym | wols: AMEN |
| 13:22.27 | Inocid | jelly: net.ipv4.conf.eth0.forwarding = 1 (same for eth2), however net.ipv4.conf.eth0.mc_forwarding = 0 |
| 13:22.36 | colo-work | lancelot_of, exactly. |
| 13:22.46 | lancelot_of | thank you colo-work |
| 13:23.47 | jelly | Inocid: I have no idea what mc_forwarding is, focus on ipv4.*.forwarding |
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| 13:24.29 | jelly | Inocid: you might want to ask in ##networking instead since noone else here is offering better clues |
| 13:24.47 | Inocid | jelly: will do, thanks for the tip and the help so far |
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| 13:27.26 | ironm | jelly, I am now in /usr/src/linux-3.0-rc7 - can I use the 3.0-rc6 kernel config for rc7 (with some extensions like compiled in aufs support)? Is there a recommended kernel config inside 3.0-rc7 sources? - thanks a lot for any hints ;) |
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| 13:29.21 | nevyn | ironm: if you install 3.0-rc6 then copy /boot/config-3.0-rc6 to .config |
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| 13:29.36 | stew | ironm: sources are unconfigured. if you want a .config file, you can find one in a -headers or -image package |
| 13:29.41 | ironm | I have it already nevyn |
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| 13:30.09 | stew | ironm: if you have a linux-image package installed, the .config is /boot/config-$version |
| 13:30.30 | ironm | stew, oOH - do I need extra header source packages? |
| 13:30.33 | stew | in a -headers package it is /lib/modules/$version/build/.config |
| 13:31.01 | stew | ironm: you don't need a headers package if you have -source, typically, its just somewhere you could find a .config |
| 13:31.24 | ironm | let me check it stew - thanks a lot |
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| 13:32.15 | ironm | nevyn, config-3.0.0-rc6-amd64 |
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| 13:35.14 | nevyn | ironm: yeah. copy it to .config wherever you unpacked the kernel source |
| 13:35.23 | ironm | stew, I am a bit confused now. On my wheezy server I have the following packages installed: |
| 13:35.34 | ironm | ii linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.39+35.1 Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package) |
| 13:35.40 | ironm | ii linux-image-2.6.39-2-amd64 2.6.39-2 Linux 2.6.39 for 64-bit PCs |
| 13:36.27 | ironm | nevyn, I guess to /usr/src/linux-3.0-rc7 .. or to one dir-level above?? |
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| 13:37.28 | nevyn | ironm: to /usr/src/linux-3.0-rc7 |
| 13:37.40 | nevyn | ironm: btw why are you building there rather than in your home directory? |
| 13:38.45 | stew | ironm: what is the confusion there? |
| 13:39.06 | ironm | nevyn, good hint .. I will move to home dir |
| 13:39.30 | ironm | stew, Do I need to install some linux-image packages before? |
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| 13:41.58 | ironm | nevyn, should I change the name of the copied file to config-3.0.0-rc7-amd64 (in /usr/src/linux-3.0-rc7) ? |
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| 13:44.39 | nevyn | ironm: it needs to be called .config |
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| 13:52.09 | Ryushin | What cd burning software is everyone using now? I've been using K3B for years and years, but I wanted to purge KDE from my system since I never use it. Just installing K3B will install another 138mb of KDE packages. So what does everyone like now? |
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| 13:54.07 | lancelot_of | i'm trying to use thinkfan on my debian wheezy on thinkpad x220 but on boot and from shell i get "thinkfan: /proc/acpi/ibm/thermal: No such file or directory". How to fix? |
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| 13:55.31 | ironm | thank you nevyn :) |
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| 13:56.52 | frostschutz | Ryushin: I just use cdrecord / growisofs directly ... ;) but I guess you're looking for some kind of GUI? |
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| 13:57.07 | ironm | nevyn, how can I easily add some options to this config file (like aufs support eg?) .. just using vi? or "make menuconfig" ?? |
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| 13:57.53 | ironm | nevyn, root@wheezy:/usr/src/linux-3.0-rc7# mv config-3.0.0-rc6-amd64 .config |
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| 13:59.23 | ctx | i installed firefox 5 but when in execute ./firefox show me this error http://pastebin.com/cEnNQlbK |
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| 14:00.20 | th0r | ctx: there is nothing on that page |
| 14:00.23 | stew | is it just my browser? or is that paste empty? |
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| 14:00.31 | stew | ctx: is there a reason you are using firefox instead of iceweasel? |
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| 14:00.41 | ctx | th0r: wait a minute i'll post again |
| 14:00.57 | ctx | stew: i purge iceweasel |
| 14:01.21 | stew | ctx: why? |
| 14:01.21 | Ryushin | frostschutz: Yea, I'm partial to the gui. I can always do it from the command line. Heck, I do almost everything else from there. |
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| 14:02.23 | ctx | thor, stew, http://pastebin.com/3CwadTMM |
| 14:02.30 | ctx | th0r: http://pastebin.com/3CwadTMM |
| 14:02.34 | ctx | stew: http://pastebin.com/3CwadTMM |
| 14:02.35 | th0r | stew: I use opera. Some of us want at least the browser to be kept as up to date as possible. There is a place for stability, and a place of staying abreast of things |
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| 14:03.02 | stew | th0r: what does that have to do with it? |
| 14:03.18 | stew | th0r: the debian mainatiner of iceweasel provides up to date versions of iceweasel as well |
| 14:03.36 | stew | and they are packaged for debian, so they are not going to give him the problems with dependencies that he now faces |
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| 14:03.57 | stew | (and unlike firefox or opera, are free software) |
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| 14:04.57 | jelly | firefox is quite free |
| 14:05.04 | th0r | stew: distros were set up as a convenience for users...they are not the be all and end all. There is no reason he can't use firefox properly. And I for one, am tired of the distro wars and the ubuntu mentality that only allows limited exchange of information. |
| 14:05.12 | stew | actually perhaps it is, i heard they were going to change the copyright licensing on the artwork |
| 14:05.15 | zinx | firefox the name / icon is not free by DFSG standards |
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| 14:05.23 | th0r | ctx: what directory did yoou install firefox into? |
| 14:05.37 | optraz | any idea about wifi in debian/ |
| 14:05.39 | optraz | ? |
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| 14:06.08 | jelly | the trademark issue doesn't make it less free, it merely makes it unsuitable for Debian |
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| 14:06.25 | stew | i'm surprised that a ubuntu mentality would be equated with limiting the exchange of information |
| 14:06.27 | ctx | /usr/lib |
| 14:06.41 | stew | the trademark issue certainly makes it less free |
| 14:07.14 | stew | ctx: did you realize that the debian maintainer for iceweasel has made packages based on firefox 5 available? is there a reason you wouldn't use those instead? |
| 14:07.30 | optraz | any idea what's wrong with wifi in wheezy? |
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| 14:07.51 | ctx | stew: i install iceweasel again |
| 14:07.52 | stew | optraz: you're going to have to ask a more specific question |
| 14:08.11 | stew | ctx: you might looka at: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
| 14:08.32 | lancelot_of | ls |
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| 14:08.43 | optraz | stew: well, im on wheezy and im updated and upgraded to the latest packages but the icon on top of my panel show no more wifi connection.. |
| 14:08.52 | optraz | stew: i do not know what is wrong or where to check. |
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| 14:09.08 | th0r | stew: log onto #ubuntu and ask about setting a root password |
| 14:09.09 | stew | optraz: what is this icon? is it network-manager? wicd? somethign else? |
| 14:09.30 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to have screen send a bell when a bell is received on a background window? |
| 14:09.36 | optraz | stew: yes, NetworkManager Applet 0.8.4 |
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| 14:09.38 | stew | th0r: uhh, you just use "passwd" |
| 14:09.38 | SerajewelKS | the message displayed is not usually enough to get my attention |
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| 14:09.41 | optraz | stew: am running gnome. |
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| 14:09.49 | th0r | stew: don't mention it on #ubuntu |
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| 14:10.58 | th0r | ctx: I have firefox installed in /opt and it works fine. The lib that error message points to is in /usr/lib. |
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| 14:12.15 | ctx | th0r: i'll install again, now in /opt |
| 14:12.23 | stew | ctx: it doens't matter where you install it to |
| 14:12.37 | stew | ctx: what matters is that the libs it is compiled against are not yet on your system |
| 14:13.02 | ctx | stew: i think it works now |
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| 14:13.11 | nevyn | ironm: so run make oldconfig |
| 14:13.19 | nevyn | just to get all the new options set. |
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| 14:13.24 | AnywhereIs | hello! where can I get 2.6.32.X kernel config used in squeeze? i'm in gentoo currently. |
| 14:13.29 | nevyn | ironm: then run make menuconfig to tweak |
| 14:13.48 | babilen | Where can I find information on the syntax/meaning of entries in the /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates file? |
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| 14:14.05 | stew | AnywhereIs: in a linux-headers-2.6.32-5-$arch pacakge it would be located in /lib/modules/$version/build/.config |
| 14:14.20 | AnywhereIs | thank you stew |
| 14:14.21 | optraz | any idea/ |
| 14:14.23 | optraz | ? |
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| 14:17.19 | ironm | great nevyn .. thank you very much for your excellent instructions :) |
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| 14:20.02 | ctx | even installed iceweasel again and installed libstdc++, the error continue happens |
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| 14:20.15 | stew | ctx: the error with firefox? |
| 14:20.16 | eldowan | so why not mention passwd in #ubuntu now? |
| 14:20.26 | ctx | Nukalurk: yep |
| 14:21.06 | stew | eldowan: he's claiming because ubuntu is against the free exchange of ideas, but its really not on-topic here. if this were indeed the case, it would be something to take up in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-ops or #ubuntu-offtopic or something |
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| 14:22.02 | eldowan | stew: huh. Not sure exactly what you're meaning, but I get that it's not on topic here. thanks. |
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| 14:27.53 | optraz | ok, the driver for wifi seem install fine becausae when i do iwconfig, it show the interface but netowrk-manager applet dont show the wifi access point... |
| 14:28.27 | Python | How can I upgrade from squeeze-backports ? (iceweasel 3.5 to 4) |
| 14:28.51 | optraz | u mean backport iceweal 4 to squeeze? |
| 14:28.56 | Python | optraz: maybe your wifi card is not managed |
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| 14:29.58 | optraz | how to check and where/ |
| 14:30.00 | optraz | ? |
| 14:30.09 | Python | optraz: sudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf |
| 14:30.09 | optraz | it was working fine before i reboot the o.s. |
| 14:30.11 | Python | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.41 | optraz | ok, it is false... |
| 14:30.49 | stew | Python: i don't believe iceweasel 4 is available anymore since it was never in a stable release and support for it was dropped upstream |
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| 14:31.04 | optraz | Python: msg dselect for iceweasel backports |
| 14:31.32 | optraz | Python: so shuld i relog-in again?1 :-s |
| 14:31.58 | Python | optraz: restart |
| 14:32.10 | optraz | omg... |
| 14:32.14 | optraz | ok, i try |
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| 14:36.53 | Joelito | Hi, I manually copy a desktop file to usr share applications |
| 14:37.19 | Joelito | how do I update manually the menu so reflects the recent changes? |
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| 14:38.10 | stew | optraz: logout, /etc/init.d/network-manager restart, login should certainly be enough |
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| 14:39.37 | optraz | stew: Python i restart |
| 14:39.40 | optraz | now i see it.... |
| 14:39.42 | optraz | :-s |
| 14:39.49 | optraz | strange debian getting at these days... |
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| 14:40.13 | optraz | but i still have the problem of 3d |
| 14:40.16 | optraz | am using ati card |
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| 14:45.17 | Python | optraz: install drivers |
| 14:46.06 | twobitsp1ite | !radeon |
| 14:46.06 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 14:46.40 | mosno2 | what are the default mount options for the root filesystem in squeeze? |
| 14:46.50 | optraz | Python: i heard it was broken or something like that in testing (which im using now in wheezy) but they have fix in unstable which need sometime before it released to testing.. |
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| 14:47.02 | mosno2 | ie. for a standard install |
| 14:47.08 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 14:47.18 | twobitsp1ite | mosno2: here's mine: UUID=489c134c-9482-4905-a928-b7bc7ef60cd6 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 14:47.28 | lancelot_of | where is the HD thermal sensor of my thinkpad x220 Debian wheezy? |
| 14:47.29 | mosno2 | twobitsp1ite, is that squeeze? |
| 14:47.32 | twobitsp1ite | mosno2: yep |
| 14:47.58 | mosno2 | twobitsp1ite, thanks |
| 14:48.30 | optraz | Python: but im not sure.. |
| 14:48.38 | mosno2 | is it a bad idea to run without swap? |
| 14:48.49 | mosno2 | assuming i don't run out of memory |
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| 14:51.40 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 14:51.43 | gnarface | more of this crap |
| 14:52.16 | twobitsp1ite | mosno2: swap is recommended... are you tight on disk spacE? |
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| 14:53.34 | mosno2 | twobitsp1ite, no, just lazy (wanted to have root fs on its own block device for simplicity, and i didn't want to restart the installer) |
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| 14:54.03 | gnarface | mosno2: you can use a file for swap too. just like windows :-p |
| 14:54.40 | mosno2 | gnarface, yeah but that's non-optimal. i will probably just add a block device for swap later if i notice problems. this isn't a mission-critical system |
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| 14:54.59 | gnarface | mosno2: trust me when you find out why people still use swap you'll wish you had added some. |
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| 14:55.28 | mosno2 | gnarface, why is it? i saw the warning during the installer but i'm half asleep and it didn't quite sink in :) |
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| 14:55.33 | gnarface | mosno2: also that thing about the swap file being less optimal than a swap partition... eh that's probably not AS true as it used to me |
| 14:55.39 | gnarface | er, used to BE |
| 14:55.54 | twobitsp1ite | http://www.alexonlinux.com/swap-vs-no-swap |
| 14:56.04 | mosno2 | actually thinking about it i didn't need root on its own block device |
| 14:56.34 | lancelot_of | where is the HD thermal sensor of my thinkpad x220 Debian wheezy? |
| 14:57.02 | wols | lancelot_of: smartctl probably |
| 14:57.10 | wols | lancelot_of: unless you have a SSD |
| 14:57.10 | gnarface | mosno2: the real problem is that if you don't already know why not to exclude swap, then you're likely to spend days/weeks debugging something dumb and pulling your hair out before discovering the problem is that you don't have swap... if you even ever do discover it |
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| 14:57.28 | mosno2 | gnarface, okay, i will add it once the install finishes |
| 14:57.33 | lancelot_of | wols, is it a command? |
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| 14:57.37 | samus | lancelot_of: use hddtemp |
| 14:57.40 | twobitsp1ite | mosno2: even if you don't use all your memory, having swap will improve performance |
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| 14:58.08 | mosno2 | can someone paste me the default fstab line for swap for a squeeze system please? |
| 14:58.18 | wols | twobitsp1ite: swappiness seems very low under linux |
| 14:58.24 | twobitsp1ite | mosno2: UUID=66eba39a-6b8a-433e-8959-f8afff4c10c2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 14:58.33 | mosno2 | twobitsp1ite, reading that link, thanks |
| 14:58.39 | daemonkeeper | mosno2: There is hardly a default, since the swap configuration depends on your disk setup. |
| 14:58.51 | daemonkeeper | mosno2: Therefore twobitsp1ite's line won't help you at all. |
| 14:58.56 | twobitsp1ite | wols: well... the i/o caching speeds things up for disk access, and having swap space, the kernel can more aggressively cache i/o |
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| 14:59.30 | twobitsp1ite | daemonkeeper: well, the UUID will of course be different |
| 14:59.35 | wols | twobitsp1ite: after 1GB: not really anymore. linux needs such a small amount of RAM compared to a modern windows |
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| 14:59.49 | twobitsp1ite | wols: depends on how much i/o you do |
| 15:00.00 | mosno2 | daemonkeeper, that's okay, i just wanted a rough idea in case i forgot to add any debian goodies |
| 15:00.06 | daemonkeeper | wols: Linux uses all of your RAM. |
| 15:00.34 | gnarface | twobitsp1ite: wols doesn't use any programs that use more than 10MB of ram individually, and doesn't believe they exist. |
| 15:01.00 | daemonkeeper | has some programs which do use ~ 40 GiB of RAM |
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| 15:02.22 | eldowan | if you put your pc into hibernation, can you boot into a different OS on next power up, in a dual boot scenario? |
| 15:02.26 | devil | daemonkeeper: 40 GiB of RAM? |
| 15:02.32 | daemonkeeper | Yes, devil. |
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| 15:02.36 | eldowan | I tried on windows using hibernation, and it doesn't seem to like that. |
| 15:02.39 | daemonkeeper | Databases eat all they can get :) |
| 15:02.41 | sdousley_ | Hi, I'm using backports on a new lenny install, but the kernel cant seem to see the right location within /lib/modules. Anyone any ideas? |
| 15:02.49 | devil | daemonkeeper: oh, jobwise |
| 15:02.53 | lancelot_of | samus, ok hddtemp shows me the hard disk temperature, but i need to know where it reads, where is the sensor |
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| 15:03.08 | daemonkeeper | Yep, on my notebook most I use is 4 GiB or so for virtual machines :) |
| 15:03.09 | twobitsp1ite | devil: I have an oracle db that uses 60GiB |
| 15:03.21 | gnarface | pretty much any modern video game (yea i know that's not what most people consider a "mission critical" process) will soak up all your physical ram then go right for your swap to an extent that its still hard to find a motherboard that can handle enough ram (world of warcraft for example is still thirsty after 6GB total) to quench it |
| 15:03.50 | gnarface | and if you don't have swap when it runs out of physical ram, most shit just CRASHES |
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| 15:04.08 | daemonkeeper | ehm, of course. This is what the kernel does. |
| 15:04.13 | gnarface | so go ahead and exclude swap cause some tweaker said it makes your system faster |
| 15:04.15 | daemonkeeper | It kills the process running out memory. |
| 15:04.21 | Python | will an sd swap partition speed up my pc ? |
| 15:04.28 | wols | Python: no |
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| 15:04.39 | e_ | howdy |
| 15:04.55 | wols | sdousley_: you have a new installation? |
| 15:05.00 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: until just recently WoW would crash when it tired to use more than 4GB |
| 15:05.07 | Python | wols: no ? O.o |
| 15:05.08 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: That's definitively not true. As soon as you actually /need/ the configured swap, your system is most likely going to die soon. Difference is just, you can kill affected process soon enough :) |
| 15:05.10 | twobitsp1ite | Python: I wouldn't recommend swap on sd, too chatty |
| 15:05.17 | Python | why |
| 15:05.22 | e_ | is there a good howto / guideline for packaging software for debian and possibly getting it maintained in debian itself? |
| 15:05.23 | wols | Python: sd cards top out at 20-30MB/s |
| 15:05.32 | wols | !tell e_ about nmg |
| 15:05.42 | twobitsp1ite | and the space... |
| 15:05.45 | e_ | aha! thanks |
| 15:05.54 | wols | Arrowmaster: since when is WoW 64bit? |
| 15:05.55 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: if you have 128MB of ram you *need* configured swap just to apt-get install locales on squeeze. |
| 15:06.04 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 15:06.06 | stew | they should really rename the nmg now that it is so far from being new :) |
| 15:06.22 | wols | Arrowmaster: so gnarface is spouting nonsense again? |
| 15:06.24 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: Didn't doubt this. I cast doubt you /improve/ performance by using swap. |
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| 15:06.35 | sdousley_ | wols: yeh, it's a fresh install |
| 15:06.44 | e_ | thought it was a guide for new maintainers.. |
| 15:06.48 | Arrowmaster | wols: people were patching the exe to enable it to use more ram on 64bit os's though |
| 15:06.59 | niram | hi, anybody using FAI for automated install? |
| 15:07.09 | wols | sdousley_: then reinstall and use squeeze instead. or you need to upgrade in half a year or so to squeeze anyways. start with the current debian. not the 3 year old |
| 15:07.15 | gnarface | daemonkeeper: no i didn't mean to intend to say that you'd improve performance, i just meant that its stupid to *exclude* it to improve performance, because sure a system runs faster when processes crash before they finish but that's not a very useful system |
| 15:07.16 | stew | e_: oh, i suppose it is |
| 15:07.26 | lancelot_of | samus, ? |
| 15:07.28 | sdousley | wols: the problem is that the server needs Plesk on it, which is only supported on Lenny for now |
| 15:07.30 | wols | Arrowmaster: yes. PE header patching. but that means by default it can at most use 2GB |
| 15:07.31 | sdousley | 4f6hjpx |
| 15:07.45 | Arrowmaster | wols: thats what i ment 2GB not 4GB |
| 15:07.52 | wols | sdousley: so what is the actual problem? and "uname -a" |
| 15:07.52 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: agreeed |
| 15:08.15 | niram | and if not.. what is the preffered solution for automatic install of debian squeeze? |
| 15:08.16 | sdousley | wols: uname -a: Linux servername.domain 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 17 18:24:45 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:08.29 | samus | lancelot_of: the temperature is one of the S.M.A.R.T. values, soo you need to read those values |
| 15:08.38 | sdousley | wols: the problem is like when I run iptalbes -L it gets this: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
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| 15:09.02 | niram | sdousley: depmod -ae |
| 15:09.08 | wols | sdousley: try to run depmod -a again. tho the installer should have done that |
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| 15:09.40 | sdousley | niram: wols they both return that the directory /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 doesn't exist |
| 15:09.46 | sdousley | which it seems it doesn't for some reason |
| 15:09.51 | niram | well... |
| 15:09.57 | niram | then the modules are not installed |
| 15:10.01 | wols | sdousley: how did you install the kernel package? |
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| 15:10.20 | wols | sdousley: you could install it again with dpkg -i |
| 15:10.47 | sdousley | wols: I added the line to /etc/apt/sources.list then ran: ptitude install -t lenny-backports --allow-untrusted linux-image-2.6-$ARCH linux-headers-2.6-$ARCH |
| 15:10.52 | sdousley | where $ARCH was amd64 |
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| 15:11.27 | wols | sdousley: it's strange your machine even booted with that kernel |
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| 15:11.38 | sdousley | wols: yeh, that's what I thought lol |
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| 15:12.39 | niram | sdousley: aptitude install t lenny-backports --allow-untrusted linux-modules-2.6-$ARCH |
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| 15:13.21 | niram | and depmod after.. |
| 15:13.28 | sdousley | niram: ok, gonna give that a go :) |
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| 15:13.44 | wols | niram: when have you last seen any linux-modules packages in a debian repo? |
| 15:13.51 | sdousley | niram: should that "t" be a "-t" ? |
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| 15:13.56 | niram | -t |
| 15:13.57 | niram | sorry |
| 15:14.24 | wols | niram: are you sure this package exists? |
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| 15:14.33 | sdousley | niram: there's no package hamed that. There's a package named linux-modules-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
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| 15:15.03 | wols | sdousley: reinstall the kernel image. that's where the modules are |
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| 15:16.10 | sdousley | wols: would that just be re-running the aptitude command I used to install in the first place? |
| 15:16.41 | stew | sdousley: change install to reinstall |
| 15:16.46 | wols | sdousley: no it would not. I told you above what the command would be |
| 15:16.47 | sdousley | ah |
| 15:16.49 | wols | or tha |
| 15:16.50 | wols | t |
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| 15:17.38 | sdousley | hmmmm, seems it cant find packages now. :( Maybe backports have changed stuff since squeeze came out |
| 15:18.33 | wols | ,kernels |
| 15:18.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-2); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 15:20.02 | niram | so, nobody using fai ( http://fai-project.org) ? |
| 15:20.39 | wols | !anyone use fai |
| 15:20.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses fai, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:20.40 | niram | i need a automated install method and i don't know what i should use |
| 15:20.45 | sdousley | wols: what's weird is that the kernel image md5sum matches that of another server. Could I just copy the /lib/modules from that server over? |
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| 15:20.58 | wols | niram: questions like that are simply useless and are rightfully ignored as you see |
| 15:21.15 | niram | wols: i don't see why they are useless |
| 15:21.23 | wols | sdousley: you could do a lot of things. but if I were you I'd check why dpkg didn't unpack those modules instead |
| 15:21.26 | niram | i am asking how to install debian |
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| 15:22.01 | wols | niram: a question "anybody using X" is ALWAYS useless (and stupid). ask your real question |
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| 15:22.43 | niram | is fai actually working when installing on sofware raid? |
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| 15:24.30 | nvictor | hey |
| 15:24.35 | nvictor | wols: you there? |
| 15:25.19 | sdousley | df -h |
| 15:25.21 | sdousley | oops |
| 15:25.34 | Cain | Hi, How to prepare a usb pendrive to be used to install Deb6 on a Diskless Laptop ? |
| 15:25.44 | wols | nvictor: ask the channel. not single people |
| 15:25.54 | wols | !tell Cain about ig |
| 15:26.07 | nvictor | :) |
| 15:26.18 | niram | how do you install grub-pc with root on sw raid? |
| 15:26.18 | nvictor | wols: why doesn't chmod rwxr-xr-x file work? |
| 15:26.33 | niram | it fails with an error (no such device) |
| 15:26.39 | sdousley | nvictor: cos that's not how you should specify permissions |
| 15:26.50 | wols | nvictor: since you ignore what I write, I do the same courtesy to your writings. |
| 15:27.10 | sdousley | yhou should use sometihng like the bitwise nyumber (e.g. chmod 755) or chmod +x |
| 15:27.31 | wols | niram: I doubt you want to install grub on a software raid |
| 15:27.42 | niram | ok, root on sw raid |
| 15:27.54 | niram | i want to install grub on sda and sdb |
| 15:28.07 | wols | niram: then do it? |
| 15:28.08 | niram | update-grub fails |
| 15:28.12 | nvictor | sdousley: how do you do it? |
| 15:28.14 | niram | it does not generate grub.cfg |
| 15:28.15 | wols | !tell niram about errors |
| 15:28.26 | nvictor | wols: lol, sorry. i was fast with the tab key |
| 15:29.21 | niram | update-grub returns "no such device" |
| 15:29.43 | niram | it is because it runs grub-probe on /dev/md0 |
| 15:29.48 | niram | and it says no such device |
| 15:30.06 | niram | the debian installer seems to do it somehow |
| 15:30.42 | niram | can anybody explain what the steps are, what the problem with md0 is, and how does the standard installer get around this problem? |
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| 15:31.10 | wols | the obvious question is: does /dev/md0 exist, and if not, why not? |
| 15:31.11 | sdousley | nvictor: the permissions are not stored as "rwxr-xr-x" they're simply displayed that way |
| 15:31.29 | niram | yes, it does exist, it is mounted on / |
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| 15:31.44 | Cain | Hum, i just try the cat DebianIsoFile > /dev/sdf (my pendrive) and i have a lot of lines that appears and disappear on the console ? should i let it finish ? |
| 15:31.58 | wols | niram: you do have a /boot partition? |
| 15:32.12 | niram | no, root on raid, no boot partition |
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| 15:32.51 | niram | grub2 is supposed to be smart and be able to boot from raid |
| 15:33.03 | Arrowmaster | depends on the raid |
| 15:33.17 | niram | software raid1 |
| 15:33.49 | Arrowmaster | there some stuff on the grub site about how to get grub installed to both drivers in a software raid1 |
| 15:34.01 | Arrowmaster | i think it only installs to the first one normally |
| 15:34.12 | niram | it doesn't install at all |
| 15:34.22 | niram | update-grub fails, grub.cfg is not generated |
| 15:35.05 | niram | so i don't even get to the point where i actually write grub to the disks |
| 15:35.10 | niram | the grub-update script fails |
| 15:35.23 | niram | update-grub, sorry |
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| 15:37.22 | Arrowmaster | grub wiki seems down |
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| 15:41.12 | lancelot_of | samus, where?dunno what SMART is |
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| 15:42.51 | StephenS | is webmin compatibile with debian/ |
| 15:42.53 | StephenS | !webmin |
| 15:42.53 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 15:43.21 | StephenS | <free whcp> |
| 15:43.26 | StephenS | free whcp |
| 15:43.30 | Arrowmaster | !free whcp |
| 15:43.30 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 15:43.45 | StephenS | so whats better thenw ebmin? |
| 15:43.47 | StephenS | webmin* |
| 15:43.54 | Arrowmaster | anything else |
| 15:43.59 | wols | StephenS: and ues /msg dpkg <topic> next time |
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| 15:44.01 | StephenS | Omega? |
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| 15:44.47 | lancelot_of | ok, so i've to set temperature offset for hard disk in thinkfan but i don't know which sensor output i need to correct. How to?Where is the HD thermal sensor? |
| 15:45.04 | StephenS | Which panel to use pls? |
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| 15:45.28 | wols | lancelot_of: the sensor is on the harddisk itself |
| 15:45.32 | StephenS | ISPconfig seems decent |
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| 15:47.00 | niram | StephenS: i have tried ispconfig and ispcp omega, and i am currently using ispcp omega |
| 15:47.07 | niram | seems better (to me) |
| 15:47.44 | StephenS | why |
| 15:47.55 | sylar | is there some way to monitor the disk activity, not the buffers/caches/etc? |
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| 15:48.19 | lancelot_of | wols, ok but is there any sys file that reads there? |
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| 16:10.30 | buhman | what does "pB nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64" the 'pB' mean? |
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| 16:12.37 | mosno2 | buhman, purge/broken. take a look at the aptitude documentation |
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| 16:12.59 | mosno2 | buhman, it probably means unsolved dependencies |
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| 16:14.01 | andy1978 | Hi at all. Ich have sometimes a problem booting debian wheezy with kernel 2.6.39-2-amd64. This is a real screenshot http://www.tech-chat.de/images/DSC07202inv.png |
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| 16:14.21 | wols | buhman: dpkg -l |less read the first 3 lines |
| 16:15.02 | wols | andy1978: try an untainted kernel to test? |
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| 16:17.51 | andy1978 | wols: hm, I have to goole what "tainted: G D" means |
| 16:18.18 | wols | it basically means you run nvidia or fglrix kernel modules (most of the time) |
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| 16:18.29 | andy1978 | wols: no, absolutely not |
| 16:18.39 | wols | then any other non-free kernel module? |
| 16:18.42 | andy1978 | wols: I have no proprietary driver installed |
| 16:18.52 | andy1978 | wols: it's a ati card |
| 16:19.03 | wols | and you use what drivers? |
| 16:19.31 | andy1978 | wols: radeon |
| 16:20.09 | wols | well the kernel thinks otherwise it seems. some proprietary driver is loaded |
| 16:20.23 | andy1978 | wols: how can I check? |
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| 16:22.47 | andy1978 | wols: andy@PhenomBabe:~$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted -> 0 |
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| 16:25.12 | wols | andy1978: maybe try another kernel version then. any special reason you neet .39? |
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| 16:26.36 | andy1978 | wols: 2.6.38-2-amd64 works without problems but I want to track down the problem |
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| 16:27.21 | wols | good luck then |
| 16:27.48 | andy1978 | wols: Tainted: G D is: G: The opposite of 'P': the kernel has been tainted (for a reason indicated by a different flag), but all modules loaded into it were licensed under the GPL or a license compatible with the GPL. |
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| 16:28.03 | andy1978 | But I can't find a description for "D" |
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| 16:30.52 | andy1978 | wols: I think nvidia modules will set the "P" taint flag or am I wrong? |
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| 16:31.30 | ajikeshi__ | Andy-, yes |
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| 16:31.56 | andy1978 | ajikeshi__: Thank you, but what is "G D" ? |
| 16:32.03 | ajikeshi__ | not sure |
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| 16:32.21 | ajikeshi__ | havent done anything with that stuff for some time now :D |
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| 16:33.03 | andy1978 | the novell file http://www.novell.com/support/viewContent.do?externalId=3582750&sliceId=1 does mention "G" but not "D" |
| 16:33.32 | project2501a | hmmm |
| 16:33.53 | ajikeshi__ | maybe debug? |
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| 16:34.06 | project2501a | when using x remotely, a lot of bandwidth is required... :( |
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| 16:34.42 | ajikeshi__ | http://www.suse.de/~agruen/kernel-doc/ |
| 16:34.47 | ajikeshi__ | 2/3 of the doc |
| 16:34.52 | ajikeshi__ | SUPPORTED VS. UNSUPPORTED MODULES |
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| 16:35.05 | andy1978 | ajikeshi__: hm, and why can I see "tainted: G D" when the boot process hangs but /proc/sys/kernel/tainted==0 ? |
| 16:35.14 | andy1978 | Ah tahnk you |
| 16:36.04 | DSpair | stew: Thanks for joining us for beers last night... |
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| 16:41.37 | Python | is burning iso on debian stable safe ? |
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| 16:42.04 | andy1978 | Ah, I have it: The kernel in 38842 is only âtaintedâ because it just panicked (yes, that sets a taint flag). The taint flags are âG Dâ: Only GPL modules are loaded, kernel Died. |
| 16:42.28 | Bushmills | Python, only if you wear latex gloves |
| 16:42.32 | peterrooney | Python, it won't start a fine. |
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| 16:42.59 | peterrooney | Python: the k3b package works wonders. |
| 16:43.17 | stew | DSpair: likewise :) |
| 16:44.14 | andy1978 | wols: âG Dâ: Only GPL modules are loaded, kernel Died. |
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| 16:45.29 | dominick | %hi |
| 16:45.29 | dselect | hello, dominick |
| 16:45.42 | Python | %what's up |
| 16:45.42 | dselect | everything is okay thanks |
| 16:46.14 | StephenS | FileServer on tasksel is FTP? |
| 16:47.00 | wols | StephenS: use man tasksel and you can see for yourself what it is |
| 16:47.01 | Bushmills | samba+nfs, more likely |
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| 16:47.11 | saliak | I'm having a lot of trouble getting a init script to run. I've created by script in /etc/init.d, and can call it (./foo start and ./foo stop) and have my daemon process start and stop respectively. i used update-rc.d to create the symlinks for it to start on RL 2,3,4,5 and kill in 0,1,6, but it still doesn't run when i boot up. any ideas as to what I should think about or how to debug? |
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| 16:48.03 | gnarface | saliak: insserv perhaps. sorry i can't be more specific (i'd like to know the answer to that too though) |
| 16:48.09 | Bushmills | saliak: hashbang present? |
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| 16:48.52 | saliak | Bushmills: ooh, at the top i have #! /bin/sh |
| 16:48.52 | saliak | think the space is screwing it up? |
| 16:49.21 | Bushmills | nope. that's fine |
| 16:49.40 | saliak | shoot, got excited for a sec |
| 16:50.18 | saliak | gnarface : so you recommend doing update-rc.d-insserv instead of update-rc.d ? |
| 16:50.31 | Bushmills | add something like touch /tmp/foo, early in the script. check whether file gets created |
| 16:50.49 | gnarface | saliak: no idea, but that sounds like something worth checking into |
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| 16:51.05 | saliak | Bushmills : ok.. if i look at boot.log, i should see the message when it starts the script, yeah? |
| 16:51.22 | Bushmills | no. you'd ls -l /tmp/foo after boot |
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| 16:52.47 | saliak | Bushmills - right, if i did hte touch thing. but just during a normal boot, where would there be a log of the init scripts starting? |
| 16:54.26 | Bushmills | saliak: if /tmp/foo gets created, the script is executed, and you'd look at a possible error in the script instead. if it doesn't, you'd look at why it isn't executed. |
| 16:54.51 | Bushmills | maybe something like not having set it chmod +x |
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| 16:55.37 | saliak | Bushmills: ok. trying that now.so is there no other log of scripts running on startup? yeah, i was thinking about that. i thought by executing it at the command line as root, i'd have tested for all those conditions, no? |
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| 16:56.12 | saliak | Bushmills: well, the file does get created |
| 16:56.21 | Bushmills | i don't know what you have tested and what not. i merely divide the problem. |
| 16:56.52 | saliak | Bushmills: ok, in init.d i can type ./script start/stop and the daemon starts/stops appropriately |
| 16:57.02 | Bushmills | maybe a PATH problem |
| 16:57.07 | saliak | hrm |
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| 16:57.32 | saliak | Bushmills: that's a good one |
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| 16:59.12 | dominick | braunr: Hi! I am trying to load kvm module, but am failing to do so. I have enabled Intel virtualisation Technology in bios, but "sudo modprobe kvm_intel" says "FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported" What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:59.25 | dominick | err... ignore the braunr |
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| 17:11.52 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:17.53 | twobitsprite | !wave wildc4rd |
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| 17:17.54 | saliak | Bushmills: ok, so for some reason it fails at [ -x "$NAME" ], which is weird since it's an absolute path. if i get ride of that check, it gets to where it starts the daemon and it doesn't start. why would that happen? |
| 17:17.56 | twobitsprite | there we go :P |
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| 17:18.25 | saliak | Bushmills: it's definitely a+x |
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| 17:19.21 | Bushmills | saliak: either because of the file name assigned to NAME is wrong, or because of what you do with the result of the test |
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| 17:19.40 | jhutchins_lt | !kvm |
| 17:19.40 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze, kvm in Lenny. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:20.13 | jhutchins_lt | dominick: See above |
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| 17:32.16 | pzn | any possibility of seen a "dmesg" message of 1 month ago (want to "grep ttyS" to know serial devices detected at last boot)? |
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| 17:33.00 | cahoot | try the savec syslogs |
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| 17:33.05 | cahoot | saved |
| 17:33.29 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.50 | andy1978 | Haha, reportbug crashes with "*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/python: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x00000000017e1b20 ***" when I try to submit a bug... |
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| 17:36.34 | stew | andy1978: if you construct your email properly, you can email your bug report in directly. see here: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 17:36.40 | stew | andy1978: what version of python is that? |
| 17:37.07 | andy1978 | stew: Python 2.6.7 |
| 17:37.40 | stew | andy1978: then, of course, check the bts for python |
| 17:38.07 | andy1978 | stew: I tried to fill a bug report against linux-image2.6.39-2 but now I have also a bug report for python :-D |
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| 17:42.23 | dean | Hey all is this room for Debian queries only or debian based OS? |
| 17:42.47 | pzn | cahoot, /var/log/syslog is already rotated. the last log does not have the information that I need :-( |
| 17:42.56 | simonlnu | debian only. it's called a channel, too. |
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| 17:43.07 | shash | you girle |
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| 17:43.32 | andy1978 | dean: but there is also #ubuntu |
| 17:43.35 | dean | simonlnu: Sorry was only asking |
| 17:43.40 | saliak | Bushmills: yeah, so the weird thing is that I thought my running the script would check that issue specifically. how would th environment in which the startup script is run impact a absolute path reference ? |
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| 17:43.54 | dean | andy1978: I been trying the mepis room but no one in there |
| 17:44.05 | dean | channel sorry |
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| 17:44.19 | simonlnu | dean: it's ok |
| 17:44.34 | simonlnu | we're all newbies at something ;) |
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| 17:44.58 | dean | simonlnu: I am trying to find a channel for mepis support but theres no one in that room |
| 17:45.17 | saliak | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/e3ey0kZb |
| 17:45.32 | simonlnu | dean: they might be on another network |
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| 17:45.45 | dean | simonlnu: I'm on freenode? |
| 17:45.46 | Sessions00100 | Afternoon, everyone. |
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| 17:47.03 | simonlnu | deyep, it is here, just google d it |
| 17:47.05 | Cain | how to configure wifi on a NoGui Debian squeeze ? (driver is installed and wlan0 is shown by iwconfig) |
| 17:47.16 | simonlnu | bah, lag |
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| 17:47.51 | dean | simonlnu: No probs thanks anyway |
| 17:48.14 | simonlnu | dean: yep, it is here, just googled it |
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| 17:49.59 | simonlnu | *sigh* |
| 17:50.28 | th0r | Cain: the rest of the config is done in /etc/network/interfaces. You can play with the config using ifconfig and iwconfig until you know what to put in interfaces |
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| 17:55.25 | aguitel | what package need to install to run libreoffice in spanish with spellcheker ? |
| 17:56.00 | jhutchins_lt | ,libreoffice |
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| 17:56.08 | jhutchins_lt | !libreoffice |
| 17:56.08 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is packaged in <testing> and <squeeze-backports>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 |
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| 17:59.30 | stew | aguitel: i think at least libreoffice-l10n-es and myspell-es, check the description of the libreoffice-l10n-es package |
| 17:59.54 | stew | aguitel: and the Suggests: of libreoffice-l10n-es |
| 17:59.54 | aguitel | stew, thanks |
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| 18:01.54 | Bushmills | saliak: no idea. i'd probably add ls -l "$DAEMON" > /tmp/foo just above the [ -x "$DAEMON" ] line, to verify that the file is visible when the init script executes |
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| 18:08.44 | saliak | Bushmills: ahhhh, shit. it's because i have an encrypted home directory and the program is in it. geez |
| 18:08.47 | sam12345 | hello everybody. i wish to uninstall in my debian sid, ati proprietary drivers and put back opensource drivers (radeon) |
| 18:09.00 | sam12345 | what packages should I remove? |
| 18:09.27 | sam12345 | yes I have installed fglrx from debian repositories |
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| 18:09.57 | Bushmills | saliak: you may have to work a bit on your problem diagnosis skills |
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| 18:10.32 | saliak | Bushmills: yeah, the ls bit was clever. i didn't think of that. |
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| 18:12.01 | Python | â ââââD |
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| 18:16.54 | Python | Debian is the best linux distro (wow!) |
| 18:17.33 | bps | my favorite is windows |
| 18:17.43 | mmu_RMLL | w00t :) |
| 18:17.47 | mmu_RMLL | <troll> |
| 18:17.52 | peterrooney | Python: so, I take it you discovered how easy k3b is? |
| 18:18.37 | Bushmills | total overkill for simply burning an iso file |
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| 18:20.56 | peterrooney | Bushmills: like I have the time or will to memorize wodim command line options? |
| 18:21.14 | Bushmills | wodim file.iso :) |
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| 18:21.56 | Python | peterrooney: k3b ? |
| 18:22.37 | peterrooney | Python: I recall you asking for CD burning software earlier. |
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| 18:23.20 | Python | I'm using gnome not kde |
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| 18:41.42 | bentleymt | Why does synaptic only seem to be able to find libcairo2 1.8.10, but packages.debian.org has 1.10.2 for wheezy? cat /etc/issue gives "Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid" as output. |
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| 18:41.59 | bentleymt | So I am using wheezy (testing), yes? |
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| 18:46.03 | chubaca | bjr, un de mes sites est indisponible alors que les autres fonctionnent bien, quelqu'un a t'il une idée de ou cela pourrait venir ? |
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| 18:46.31 | dimir | que pasa |
| 18:46.47 | dimir | una cerveza por favor |
| 18:46.55 | dimir | grazia |
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| 18:47.23 | dimir | or is it french? |
| 18:47.34 | TiCPU|Home | it is french. |
| 18:47.51 | dimir | oh, FAIL then |
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| 18:48.04 | bentleymt | Parlez vous Anglais? Is that correct? |
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| 18:48.24 | dimir | parle vu? |
| 18:48.26 | dimir | no? |
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| 18:48.31 | dimir | oh |
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| 18:48.58 | dimir | must be vous is pronounced as vu |
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| 18:49.35 | MrFrood | !fr |
| 18:49.35 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 18:49.41 | bentleymt | Yeah. |
| 18:50.32 | bps | i hope the one guy in #debian-fr can help him |
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| 18:50.47 | dimir | :-D |
| 18:51.01 | bentleymt | Any ideas for my issue? |
| 18:52.15 | wols | !tell bentleymt about bat |
| 18:52.53 | wols | bentleymt: especially the apt-cache policy libcairo2 output |
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| 18:53.00 | bentleymt | Ta. Might be able to solve it myself. I hope. |
| 18:53.08 | dimir | bentleymt: did you check sources.list? |
| 18:53.17 | bentleymt | Not familiar with apt-cache policy. |
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| 18:53.52 | wols | bentleymt: how hard is it to type in a command you were given verbatim? |
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| 18:54.12 | bentleymt | wols: Not at all. I had not come across it before though. |
| 18:54.23 | bentleymt | So it may give me enough info to solve it myself. |
| 18:54.39 | MrFrood | bps: 82 in #debian-fr |
| 18:54.51 | dimir | bentleymt: also cat /etc/debian-version |
| 18:55.04 | bps | oh |
| 18:55.09 | dimir | not issue |
| 18:55.14 | dimir | :-) |
| 18:55.26 | bps | foiled by /list again |
| 18:55.28 | DivineEntity | hey folks I have a broadcom wireless nic. I got the drivers working from the broadcom site with the wl driver.. iwconfig is show the adaptor is up and transmitting yet when I scan for network it always says "no networks found" |
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| 18:56.09 | dimir | bps: checked on wrong sewer? |
| 18:56.11 | MrFrood | bps: ahh hang on that's on oftc :-| |
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| 18:56.27 | newman | hello |
| 18:56.47 | newman | can i install squeeze on laptop hp probook 4515s ? |
| 18:56.53 | bps | oh its #debian-fr |
| 18:57.24 | bentleymt | wols: Thanks. I think I found the problem: older repository for crunchbang got copied over and I missed it when editing this version of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:57.27 | Python | dimir: Bonjour |
| 18:57.59 | wols | newman: yes |
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| 18:58.16 | wols | bentleymt: you are running crunchbang? |
| 18:58.18 | newman | ok but i get error |
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| 18:58.21 | Python | Bonjour tout le monde, Hi all, Hola, Hallo, Konichiwa, Nihao, Salem |
| 18:58.23 | Python | :) |
| 18:58.34 | wols | !tell newman about errors |
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| 18:59.16 | bentleymt | wols: That particular config file is from a Statler install on another machine, which points to stable, rather than testing. |
| 18:59.24 | bentleymt | It seems to be fixed now. Thanks. |
| 19:00.33 | wols | bentleymt: we do not support crunchbang. please ask crunchbang channels in the future. thank you |
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| 19:03.09 | lancelot_of | hi all, i started wifi through ifup wifi and i got: http://paste.debian.net/122907/ What are those (error?) messages?How to fix? |
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| 19:03.20 | lancelot_of | I started it after resuming from hibernation |
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| 19:07.43 | raz | ahem |
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| 19:07.57 | raz | a cow-orker accidentally installed a libc and gcc from testing onto a lenny box |
| 19:08.07 | raz | is there a safe way to downgrade that? |
| 19:08.17 | wols | !downgrade |
| 19:08.17 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 19:08.41 | wols | raz: it helps when you can see what packages exactly were upgraded /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/ |
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| 19:08.58 | raz | yes, he saved the output from apt-get |
| 19:09.03 | raz | sigh.. that will be nasty |
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| 19:09.43 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for me? |
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| 19:11.11 | sc30317 | I am about to install debian; but before I do- is there any issues currently with the 5xxx series of Radeon cards from ATI and Debian? |
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| 19:12.03 | mmu_RMLL | hey I thought SG-1 got rid of Anubisss_ :D |
| 19:12.18 | Bop | sc30317, i think with 5xxx line of ati u can install the proprietary drivers |
| 19:12.22 | mmu_RMLL | actually Oma Dessala did |
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| 19:12.38 | sc30317 | on Debian stable Bop ? |
| 19:12.44 | mmu_RMLL | does Roland pop up in here sometimes ? |
| 19:12.44 | sc30317 | or squeeze? |
| 19:12.49 | Bop | sc30317, both |
| 19:12.53 | sc30317 | nice! |
| 19:13.09 | sc30317 | you can't in Fedora |
| 19:13.12 | Bop | i had 4650 on both |
| 19:13.15 | Bop | why not ? |
| 19:13.40 | sc30317 | kernel / xorg issues |
| 19:13.55 | Bop | did u try to install the drivers from ati.com ? |
| 19:14.18 | Bop | or using the opensource "radeon" driver ? |
| 19:14.38 | sc30317 | I both |
| 19:14.43 | Bop | hmm |
| 19:14.44 | sc30317 | they have some opensource driver that works |
| 19:14.51 | sc30317 | but I wanted the ati.com drivers |
| 19:15.10 | Bop | well , i cant tell for sure |
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| 19:15.16 | Bop | u need to try it out |
| 19:15.48 | lancelot_of | i started wifi through ifup wifi and i got: http://paste.debian.net/122907/ What are those (error?) messages?How to fix? |
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| 19:16.30 | Bop | lancelot_of, looks like its working |
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| 19:16.54 | lancelot_of | Bop, yes it is, but i've never got those messages |
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| 19:17.27 | Bop | lancelot_of, use dhcpcd instead of dhclient |
| 19:17.37 | lancelot_of | Bop, how to? |
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| 19:17.47 | Bop | how to what ? |
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| 19:19.19 | lancelot_of | Bop, use dhcpcd instead of dhclient...remove the second and install the first? |
| 19:19.25 | Bop | yes |
| 19:19.29 | Bop | what GUI u using ? |
| 19:19.37 | Bop | wifi gui |
| 19:20.29 | lancelot_of | Bop, it's the same |
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| 19:20.38 | lancelot_of | i use wpa_supplicant |
| 19:20.43 | Bop | its the same what |
| 19:21.14 | Bop | wpa_suplicant have nothing to do with dhcp or wifi gui |
| 19:21.22 | Bop | what program u use to connect in wifi |
| 19:21.27 | lancelot_of | Bop, i installed dhcpcd, ifdown ifup wlan0 and i got the same messages SIOCGIFADDR |
| 19:21.29 | Bop | network manager, wicd ? |
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| 19:21.57 | lancelot_of | Bop, ifup ifdown |
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| 19:25.18 | lancelot_of | Bop, ifup ifdown |
| 19:25.52 | Zvpun | when I run "pybootchartgui -t" I get an python error "AttributeError: Trace instance has no attribute '__getitem__'" from the statement proc_tree = res[3] in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/pybootchartgui/main.py on line 125. Unfortunately I don't understand python, could some guru take a look at this line of code and judge whether this is bugged or not? |
| 19:26.23 | Bop | lancelot_of, do u have network manager installed ? |
| 19:27.01 | mmu_RMLL | !seen lolando |
| 19:27.01 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'lolando', mmu_RMLL |
| 19:27.06 | mmu_RMLL | !seen lo-lan-do |
| 19:27.06 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'lo-lan-do', mmu_RMLL |
| 19:27.13 | mmu_RMLL | nevermind dpkg :p |
| 19:27.30 | raz | is there an easy way to get a repository url for an installed package? |
| 19:27.51 | raz | like, an url to fetch the deb for my currently installed libc6 ;) |
| 19:28.08 | Zvpun | raz: apt-cache policy zsh |
| 19:28.26 | raz | Zvpun: misses the filename :/ |
| 19:28.51 | lancelot_of | Bop, i don't |
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| 19:31.33 | Bop | lancelot_of, dont know them , but u can ignore that error, at the end , it receives the ip address |
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| 19:32.16 | Bop | lancelot_of, try this |
| 19:32.22 | Bop | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 19:32.25 | Bop | dhcpcd wlan0 |
| 19:32.29 | Bop | check for errors |
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| 19:38.15 | raz | different question |
| 19:38.24 | raz | is there an easy way to *pull* the deb for a given installed pacakge? |
| 19:38.40 | raz | like, the deb that would represent my currently installed libc? |
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| 19:40.29 | boudiccas | raz; what do you mean by 'pull'? |
| 19:40.52 | raz | boudiccas: we have a hosed box here (various pkgs upgraded to testing, incl. libc) |
| 19:41.02 | raz | so now i'd like to fetch the debs for the known-good libc on a similar box |
| 19:41.08 | raz | to install them on the hosed one |
| 19:41.10 | boudiccas | ah, right, damage limitation |
| 19:41.11 | bps | yes, read the documentation for apt-get |
| 19:41.25 | zorrolero | raz, maybe you can find that deb in your /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 19:43.07 | boudiccas | zorrolero; you beat me to it :) |
| 19:43.30 | subuser | is it possible to install a different libc version on a computer that is living? i notice the default shell's are all linked to it as well as the ln command and maybe other things |
| 19:43.51 | subuser | i had that problem once when trying to install and upgrade an ancient slackware to a dinosaur pc from floppy disks |
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| 19:44.55 | Python | I'm feeling nice for donating to Debian |
| 19:44.58 | Python | :)) |
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| 19:46.26 | boudiccas | can rsyncbe used to backup some files [debs in this case] only if they get added to? |
| 19:46.34 | boudiccas | rsync be |
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| 19:47.31 | nezZario | Does debian have software RAID available? |
| 19:47.38 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
| 19:47.53 | daemonkeeper | You can choose to install to a RAID upon installation. |
| 19:48.06 | Python | what's raid ? |
| 19:48.09 | Python | .raid |
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| 19:48.34 | babilen | Python: Please, you can either /msg the bot (/msg dpkg raid) or search on Google. :) |
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| 19:48.41 | boudiccas | Python; its a fly spray which is very effective |
| 19:48.44 | nezZario | Good |
| 19:48.44 | bps | it supports bios raid and also lvm raid |
| 19:48.47 | nezZario | I've never used debian |
| 19:48.55 | nezZario | I'm switching this server from NetBSD to debian though, |
| 19:49.00 | nezZario | I've heard good things about debian+xen |
| 19:49.14 | nezZario | NetBSD is horrifically borken. Been fighting with it since Saturday |
| 19:49.22 | nezZario | I have no desire to fool with it |
| 19:49.47 | babilen | nezZario: I hope you enjoy your Debian experience in that case. |
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| 19:51.52 | nezZario | k, well, i'm going to my parents to continue this |
| 19:52.03 | nezZario | let them and the wife watch the kids.. |
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| 20:04.28 | jadahl_ | Hi. When packaging, can I have a package that suggests package A only if package B is not already installed? Use case is when a application depends on library, but it is compatible with two different versions. |
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| 20:06.12 | daemonkeeper | jadahl_: the point of package relationships is to declare dependencies on packages which aren't installed yet ... |
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| 20:06.42 | stew | jadahl_: you cah have a package Suggests: pacakgeA|packageB ; but you have no way to say "only if package B is not already installed" |
| 20:07.20 | jadahl_ | if i have packageA|packageB, is it ok if those two packages conflict with each other? |
| 20:07.24 | gentz | The firefox release sis i686 , but i'm running amd64 debian & it seems to be having trouble with libstdc++.so.6 . how can I fix it? |
| 20:07.39 | stew | jadahl_: yes that is fine |
| 20:07.43 | daemonkeeper | jadahl_: Are you packaging for Debian? If not, you can conflict against whatever you want. |
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| 20:10.06 | jadahl_ | It's concerning a package (libjack-dev). It suggests the installation of jackd1, which means that other packages that will suggest to downgrade jackd2 to jackd1. this should be fixable by having libjack-dev suggest both jackd1 and jackd2 but prioritize jackd1 |
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| 20:12.19 | daemonkeeper | jadahl_: You can declare OR relationships. |
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| 20:13.14 | daemonkeeper | jadahl_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 20:13.57 | jadahl_ | daemonkeeper: thanks, I will read it. |
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| 20:17.37 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:19.19 | sedulous | does anyone know how to use "zip" so that unicode file names will be displayed correctly in windows? |
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| 20:19.55 | sedulous | the man page suggests that "zip" stores them both in a) the system's encoding and b) UTF-8 but it's not working |
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| 20:22.05 | sedulous | nevermind |
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| 20:33.23 | digirak | I would like to switch from Ubuntu to debian any suggestions/tips/warnings |
| 20:33.33 | digirak | I have been using Ubuntu for nearly a year now |
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| 20:34.50 | MrFrood | ddjust be aware of debian policies relating to non-free firmware |
| 20:35.05 | MrFrood | er digirak |
| 20:35.23 | digirak | MrFrood: ok, anything particular? |
| 20:35.29 | sylarr | is there some way to monitor the disk activity, not the buffers/caches/etc? |
| 20:35.41 | ompaul | digirak: Debian has the "debian way of doing things" which may be different from the Ubuntu way of doing things, so my suggestion is simple. Read before you do stuff. for instance if you want to know something try /msg dselect <keyword goes here> if that fails you can check the wiki or ask here ;-) and remember as MrFrood just said that if you want non-free software for wireless etc remember to download the binary at the same time as your install |
| 20:35.44 | ompaul | cd |
| 20:36.25 | MrFrood | digirak: wot ompaul said |
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| 20:37.00 | digirak | ompaul: I see like for instance if I am using specific Netgear software for my NetGear modem I should ask for binaries, is that right? |
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| 20:37.24 | digirak | also does Debian support Adobe software |
| 20:37.31 | ompaul | digirak: network modem - what is that dsl dialup internal external ? |
| 20:37.52 | digirak | ompaul: dsl, dial up |
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| 20:38.04 | ompaul | hu? |
| 20:38.17 | ompaul | dsl tends to be not dial up |
| 20:38.31 | ompaul | digirak: give me a model number please |
| 20:38.47 | MrFrood | digirak: /msg dpkg firmware |
| 20:38.48 | ompaul | and they don't "support adobe" you can install "adobe software on Debian" |
| 20:38.49 | digirak | ompaul: no no am just asking an hypothetical question |
| 20:39.02 | ompaul | digirak: I have no hypothetical answers |
| 20:39.04 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 20:39.07 | ompaul | please be specific |
| 20:39.08 | digirak | ompaul: right thats what I meant |
| 20:39.09 | ompaul | brb |
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| 20:40.39 | rsf | I don't know... |
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| 20:40.43 | rsf | I'm sorry |
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| 20:51.12 | kingsley | How would you discern which group a given process is running in? |
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| 20:52.43 | frikinz | Is there a package to install to get readable fonts for gtk apps in kde4? |
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| 20:55.03 | magnusmichaelson | Hi. I'm using debian squeeze and i need to burn an iso to a blank cd. i can't seem to find any tools to do this. am i missing something? |
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| 20:58.53 | stew | magnusmichaelson: install wodim and "wodim foo.iso" |
| 20:59.13 | magnusmichaelson | stew: thanks mate. |
| 20:59.22 | stew | kingsley: ps -o egid |
| 20:59.54 | magnusmichaelson | stew: odim isn't showing up in synaptic. build it from source? |
| 21:00.04 | stew | wodim, not odim |
| 21:00.10 | stew | judd: versions wodim |
| 21:00.12 | judd | Package wodim on i386 -- lenny: 9:1.1.9-1; sid: 9:1.1.11-1; squeeze: 9:1.1.11-1; wheezy: 9:1.1.11-1 |
| 21:00.16 | magnusmichaelson | sorry, wodim isn't showing up |
| 21:00.26 | daemonkeeper | Well, its a command line tool? |
| 21:00.28 | magnusmichaelson | maybe synaptic is acting up |
| 21:00.39 | stew | magnusmichaelson: are you running debian? if so, show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 21:00.48 | magnusmichaelson | ok |
| 21:01.47 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to install jre-1_5_0_04 for iceweasel, how can i solve this isue? |
| 21:01.56 | gNewPower | Hi, If I install Debian-Live on a USB stick, must I dedicate the flashstick only to this purpose, or can I also store date/files/etc on it? |
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| 21:02.34 | magnusmichaelson | stew: http://pastebin.com/zeneHbWG |
| 21:02.51 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: You need to dd the image to the disk. This will erase any file system on it. |
| 21:03.09 | tharkun | daemonkeeper: fail gNewPower |
| 21:03.23 | daemonkeeper | gNewPower: You can, in theory, create a file system beyond you can use for your files. |
| 21:03.25 | daemonkeeper | tharkun: True. |
| 21:03.42 | stew | magnusmichaelson: you are including everything BUT debian there. in the ftp.uk.debian.org squeeze contrib non-free line, add "main" alongside "contrib non-free" |
| 21:03.54 | gNewPower | daemon, do I make separate partitions on the flash-stick? |
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| 21:04.43 | magnusmichaelson | stew: i used the online sources.list generator. must be buggy. thanks for the advice. |
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| 21:06.49 | daemonkeeper | gNewPower: Yes, you do. Or more precisely: You need to create partitions in addition to those, the image is representing. |
| 21:07.07 | gNewPower | daemonkeeper, |
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| 21:12.29 | oops | please suggest a good console based browser. |
| 21:12.35 | spal | lynx |
| 21:12.42 | oops | anything other than lynx? |
| 21:12.54 | frikinz | w3m |
| 21:12.55 | stew | oops: w3m |
| 21:12.57 | tabakhase | wget for pros |
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| 21:13.12 | daemonkeeper | Or links. |
| 21:13.13 | oops | wget doesn't display it in page format. does it? |
| 21:13.24 | stew | wget doesn't display, only fetch |
| 21:13.32 | tabakhase | oops for sure not, thats wha its only for pro´s ;-) |
| 21:14.07 | oops | couldn't find any package called "links", daemonkeeper |
| 21:14.38 | stew | judd: versions links |
| 21:14.40 | judd | Package links on i386 -- lenny: 2.1pre37-1.1; squeeze: 2.3~pre1-1; sid: 2.3~pre1-1+b1; wheezy: 2.3~pre1-1+b1 |
| 21:14.41 | daemonkeeper | links - Web browser running in text mode |
| 21:14.51 | stew | oops: are you running debian? |
| 21:14.56 | oops | yes |
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| 21:15.10 | stew | oops: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
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| 21:15.18 | oops | oh, I found it. |
| 21:15.41 | oops | I entered "links" and it said, "command not found". then I did "aptitude search links" and I can see it. |
| 21:16.17 | stew | links2 is console based and does better if you want graphics |
| 21:16.19 | stew | with -g |
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| 21:17.03 | tabakhase | -g? transforming jpeg to ascii? o.O |
| 21:17.34 | stew | no, it just displays the jpeg |
| 21:17.44 | zykotick9 | tabakhase, that would be neat ;) but obviously no. |
| 21:17.59 | stew | which w3m will do as well |
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| 21:19.47 | daemonkeeper | wonders if there is a aalib plugin for text browsers. |
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| 21:20.23 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 21:20.55 | lenswipe | ive install php5 and the libapache2-mod-php5 and yet when i point my browser at my server it asks to download the files |
| 21:20.59 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 21:21.05 | daemonkeeper | You didn't reload apache. |
| 21:21.10 | zykotick9 | thinks mplayer's ".. -vo aa .. " is pretty nerd-cool |
| 21:21.11 | lenswipe | ill give that a shot |
| 21:21.16 | darmster | hello |
| 21:21.19 | tabakhase | this week in "Captain Oblivious ProBook: how to get flash in your lynx" |
| 21:21.22 | spal | with lynx2 all − sign in http://cotpi.com/p/9/ appears like explosions. :( |
| 21:21.30 | lenswipe | daemonkeeper, nope, still doing it |
| 21:21.41 | lenswipe | daemon, i recall there is a config file edit when setting up a lamp stack but i cant remember what file it is... |
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| 21:22.17 | daemonkeeper | You don't. At least not in Debian. |
| 21:22.18 | ironm | good evening. does anyone of you know how to configure kernel 3.0-rc7 for xen with aufs support? Do I need an extra aufs patch for kernel 3.0-rc7 sources? - thank you in advance for any hints |
| 21:22.27 | daemonkeeper | Your browser may be caching your page. |
| 21:22.35 | lenswipe | daemon, ah right - maybe thats the ubuntu setup im thinking of and yes it might be ill clear my cache |
| 21:22.50 | daemonkeeper | However, to make sure: a2enmod php5; /etc/init.d/apache2 reload. Try again. |
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| 21:23.09 | lenswipe | daemonkeeper, that did it - i cleared my cache |
| 21:23.51 | zykotick9 | lenswipe, there is tasksel and the "Web server" option? |
| 21:24.04 | lenswipe | zyga-afk, huh? |
| 21:24.11 | lenswipe | err |
| 21:24.15 | lenswipe | looks at his tab key |
| 21:24.21 | lenswipe | zykotick9, what? |
| 21:24.23 | zyga-afk | lenswipe, ? |
| 21:24.26 | zykotick9 | lenswipe, if you run "tasksel" there is a quasi-lamp option |
| 21:24.26 | zyga-afk | :-) |
| 21:24.47 | lenswipe | zykotick9, so what you're saying is that debian has an inbuilt LAMP setup tool? |
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| 21:25.04 | zykotick9 | lenswipe, yes |
| 21:25.06 | spal | stew, how can we do graphics using w3m? |
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| 21:25.22 | lenswipe | zykotick9, neato! :D |
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| 21:25.38 | lenswipe | did not know this |
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| 21:27.52 | frikinz | debhelper seems mute |
| 21:28.03 | lenswipe | spanks debhelper "SPEAK!" |
| 21:28.13 | tabakhase | slaps debhelper around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:40.36 | twobitsprite | slaps mirc around with everything and then utterly destroys it and throws it out the universe's window |
| 21:40.46 | twobitsprite | there, I feel better now |
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| 21:49.29 | JyZyXEL | ACPI: I/O resource f71882fg [0x290-0x297] conflicts with ACPI region IP__ [0x295-0x296] |
| 21:49.31 | JyZyXEL | ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver |
| 21:49.46 | JyZyXEL | so what should i do about that? |
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| 21:59.41 | ranamalo | anyone know a way to get a list of available updates with aptitude or apt-get that is non-interactive? |
| 22:01.52 | boudiccas | ranamalo; write a script that is called by apt-get that does an upgrade and pipes the output to a text file. nothing will be installed as it will time out waiting for you to respond |
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| 22:03.32 | Bushmills | apt-get has a --simulate option |
| 22:03.58 | ranamalo | I think this is what I'm looking for: apt-get --just-print upgrade |
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| 22:04.04 | boudiccas | ranamalo; 00 6,18 * * * /usr/bin/apt-get upgrade>/home/boztu/cron/apt-get.txt is how its done |
| 22:04.15 | lenswipe | hey guys how do i install APC on debian lenny? |
| 22:04.55 | ranamalo | boudiccas: seems like that would just hang? |
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| 22:06.02 | boudiccas | yes it hangs and outputs it to a text file, and then apt-get aborts |
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| 22:08.17 | Bushmills | apt-show-versions is also useful |
| 22:08.49 | frikinz | probably doesn't even hang as cron is not attached to a tty |
| 22:09.06 | frikinz | apt-get upgrade < /dev/null |
| 22:10.05 | ranamalo | i'm making a script to grab the info from a bunch of servers, so I think --just-print is my best bet. |
| 22:11.20 | ranamalo | Bushmills: apt-show-version doesn't work, do you mean aptitude versions? |
| 22:11.35 | Bushmills | i'm periodically graphing package states from a bunch of servers, and use apt-show-versions for it |
| 22:11.58 | frikinz | there's a munin plugin for this |
| 22:12.04 | alvin_rxg | hello all. i'm using squeeze. and i found some dists in repo: squeeze, squeeze-proposed-updates, squeeze-updates. should i add all or only squeeze? |
| 22:12.31 | alvin_rxg | and where to find the difinitions for the 3 dists ? |
| 22:12.35 | Bushmills | that *is* what i use for it. |
| 22:12.36 | ranamalo | frikinz: do you know what it's called? |
| 22:13.14 | frikinz | ranamalo: apt |
| 22:13.46 | frikinz | Bushmills: ah :) |
| 22:13.52 | Bushmills | i wrote that plugin :) |
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| 22:14.04 | frikinz | ahah :) I packaged munin 2 |
| 22:14.16 | Bushmills | though "that" .. there may be more and others, doing the same |
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| 22:14.44 | Bushmills | frikinz: then i should direct you to my munin plugins page |
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| 22:14.55 | ranamalo | Bushmills: lol didn't realize that apt-show-versions is a package in its own right |
| 22:14.56 | Bushmills | there are more you might like |
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| 22:16.06 | Bushmills | frikinz: http://munin.scarydevilmonastery.net/ |
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| 22:17.01 | ranamalo | Bushmills: apt-show-versions is awesome! thanks |
| 22:18.52 | frikinz | Bushmills: nice! thanks. did you see munin 2 and its zoom feature? a server of mine: http://bit.ly/rfVSPs |
| 22:19.37 | Bushmills | yes, was intending to install it on a VM and toy with v2 a bit. |
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| 22:19.52 | dmi3y | Hi everyone |
| 22:19.52 | frikinz | Bushmills: wow you've done a lot of work |
| 22:20.46 | dmi3y | I'm having an issue being unable to type cyrrilic in terminal. Can someone please give me some hints on what should I check? |
| 22:21.08 | dmi3y | I can use cyrrilic in X applications though |
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| 22:21.33 | frikinz | Bushmills: is it available? my package is there if you want http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/pool/ munin* |
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| 22:21.49 | Bushmills | "it" available? |
| 22:22.24 | frikinz | I meant as a package. I personnaly avoid a lot non packaged stuff |
| 22:22.52 | Bushmills | just as a tgz. linked to on the page. no .deb |
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| 22:23.56 | Bushmills | i was writing to maintainers, pointing out availability of some more plugins, to pick from, and was told upstream would make the selection of which ones to include |
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| 22:24.30 | lenswipe | hey guys how do i install APC on debian lenny? |
| 22:24.38 | frikinz | I wonder why it takes so long to come to debian but lately I've seen they wen't from alpha to beta :) |
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| 22:25.20 | twobitsprite | dmi3y: I'm not positive, but you might try rxvt-unicode instead of gnome-terminal or whatever... also, check your font to make sure it supports cyrilic |
| 22:25.41 | lenswipe | hey guys how do i install APC on debian lenny? |
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| 22:26.14 | twobitsprite | !tell lenswipe about repeat |
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| 22:26.36 | Bushmills | i'm on the #munin channels on both freenode and oftc btw |
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| 22:28.54 | Bushmills | you mind me grabbing your packaged 2.0? i have the tgz unpacked but not done the setup of that one. |
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| 22:30.14 | frikinz | Bushmills: sure, that's why I gave the url :) |
| 22:30.24 | Bushmills | thanks |
| 22:31.25 | frikinz | try it on a test server please, as you'll be the second beta tester after me :-) |
| 22:33.18 | Bushmills | on a sid kvm box. |
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| 22:36.25 | Zaerath | When I upgraded from Sarge to Lenny, it broke a lot of things... |
| 22:36.42 | Zaerath | How much do you think would be broken from Lenny to Squeeze, being only one rev? |
| 22:36.58 | Bushmills | Zaerath: amazing that you can still remember that |
| 22:37.08 | Zaerath | Haha, how so? |
| 22:37.15 | Zaerath | I just upgraded to Lenny about a year ago. |
| 22:37.37 | Bushmills | lenny -> etch -> squeeze is the general advice. or squeeze from scratch |
| 22:37.49 | Zaerath | Really? Down to Etch first? |
| 22:38.09 | Zaerath | The only reason I upgraded from Sarge btw is because they killed my repos. |
| 22:38.09 | Bushmills | ehm .sry. sequence mixup |
| 22:38.12 | Zaerath | Sarge *worked* great. |
| 22:38.25 | Bushmills | etch -> lenny -> squeeze. |
| 22:38.30 | Zaerath | Alright. |
| 22:38.44 | Zaerath | So if I'm already on Lenny... What kind of downtime should I expect to upgrade to Squeeze? |
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| 22:39.02 | Bushmills | thought for a moment you were trying to skip a release |
| 22:39.05 | Zaerath | This a multi-user production web/filer server, with only about 100 users, so downtime isn't a gigantic deal, but it's still a deal. |
| 22:39.07 | Zaerath | Oh no. |
| 22:39.20 | Zaerath | file server* |
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| 22:39.40 | KeepSafe | Does anybody know how to fix a blackberry 507 error while in debian... I cant find any software that would be able to help me... |
| 22:39.49 | frikinz | Bushmills: just tried it on my machine, it misses perl dependencies. doh |
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| 22:40.27 | Zaerath | I think my Sarge > Lenny broke more because I went from 2.4.x to 2.6.x in the process. |
| 22:41.39 | Bushmills | munin-2.0-beta2? installed allright on my test server |
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| 22:43.17 | frikinz | Bushmills: no, there is newer! pool/munin_2.0.0-3_all.deb or put deb p.quinput.eu/debfarm unstable main in sources.list |
| 22:43.38 | Bushmills | munin_2.0.0-3_all.deb, right. that one i meant. |
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| 22:44.19 | Bushmills | munin-2.0-beta2 was wrong paste, the directory left from the tgz unpacking |
| 22:44.21 | frikinz | and then the missing dep |
| 22:44.24 | frikinz | aptitude install libdb-file-lock-perl |
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| 22:45.17 | frikinz | I've done an install on squeeze, it seems to do the cron update but I have no apache here so can't really check.. |
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| 22:47.58 | frikinz | Bushmills: I meant: I've just done an install from scratch on squeeze. Ok I see the html but the cgi I can't test, too lazy to install an apache right now. |
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| 23:05.55 | Bushmills | frikinz: plugin.history needs 2.0.0 instead of 2.0 |
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| 23:06.45 | Bushmills | file in munin-node |
| 23:07.27 | Bushmills | after that, munin-node-configure --shell --newer 2.0.0 which gets executed somewhere, runs without problem |
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| 23:10.06 | frikinz | Bushmills: ok thanks but hum where is that? I guess I never used munin-node-configure |
| 23:10.24 | frikinz | Bushmills: grep -r history /etc/munin doesn't bring anything |
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| 23:11.28 | Bushmills | i noticed that error in /var/log/munin/munin-node-configure.log |
| 23:12.09 | frikinz | ok. not here. strange :) |
| 23:14.41 | Bushmills | you mind hopping to any #munin channel, to free #debian of this? |
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| 23:15.27 | t6070 | I have an init script that sets ulimit -Su 5000; it keeps complaing that -u is a illegal operation If i manually run ulimit -Su 5000 it works. But once I restart the init script, it still complains that -u is an illegal operation again. Anyone have any idea why that may be? |
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| 23:44.32 | qop | just making sure, physical extent should stay as low as possible for a mail server right? (small files) just like with the inodes |
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| 23:48.42 | qop | oh nvm :p |
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| 23:51.34 | abrotman | qop: you left out some details :) |
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| 23:53.39 | spocktimus_prime | Hey guys. Can I ask a question? |
| 23:53.45 | abrotman | you can try |
| 23:53.51 | t6070 | I don't know, CAN YOU |
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| 23:54.01 | spocktimus_prime | There's a dude by the name of doudou crying in #freenode about how he was banned from here, wants to know why he was banned |
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| 23:54.41 | abrotman | spocktimus_prime: that is not a topic for discussion, he is well aware. have a nice day |
| 23:54.47 | spocktimus_prime | Grrr. |
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| 23:54.53 | spocktimus_prime | Okay, thanks for responding. |
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| 23:55.01 | t6070 | lol |
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| 23:55.26 | thinkster | hi |
| 23:55.58 | thinkster | whats up with heldhelds, last year when I checked it was 2.2 kernel, we got a 2.6 for handhelds yet? |
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| 23:56.50 | TheJH | abrotman, is he banned? i just did "/mode #debian +b" and his name or host didn't show up |
| 23:57.51 | thinkster | yeah right, abrotman? banned? Never |
| 23:58.10 | thinkster | Abrotman is my professor |
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| 23:58.19 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:58.37 | streuner | professor for teaching bullshit? |
| 23:58.59 | thinkster | really? I think he is awesome, he helped me tons of times |
| 23:59.07 | abrotman | TheJH: we're not discussing it |
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| 23:59.36 | streuner | thinkster: yeah, thats one of his side... |
