| 00:00.09 | thinkster | streuner, you've helped me too, I remember, you guys are like the school of debian |
| 00:00.37 | TheJH | abrotman, I'm not asking for the reason, I'm asking why I can't see him in the banlist. (and I promise that I won't ask again if you don't answer) |
| 00:00.50 | abrotman | thinkster: i think it depends on the device |
| 00:01.15 | thinkster | I have an hp 5400 series, very old |
| 00:01.23 | abrotman | TheJH: by IP I believe .. i don't recall |
| 00:01.35 | streuner | thinkster: Debian people usually helps, but you dont want discuss witht them.... |
| 00:01.40 | TheJH | abrotman, that would explain it |
| 00:01.51 | thinkster | but now with google talk, I wish I could get a 2.6 kernel cause then I could install google talk |
| 00:02.30 | streuner | google talk? |
| 00:03.07 | thinkster | yeah, free voip in NorthAmerica |
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| 00:03.53 | thinkster | I could use my pocket pc, which is the latest version that doesn't have a phone feature, as a phone using gmail |
| 00:05.20 | abrotman | thinkster: my android phone has a 2.6 kernel .. |
| 00:05.29 | thinkster | only problem is, the debian kernel I got from handhelds was a 2.2 or 2.4, and there was no https capable browser, so you can't access gmail |
| 00:05.52 | thinkster | Yeah, thats what I was think of getting, just buying not not ordering the phone service |
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| 00:06.25 | thinkster | When they are available used at second hand computers store I will get them. I think they are mostly in US right now though, not so much in Canada |
| 00:06.35 | abrotman | thinkster: how is this related to Debian again ? |
| 00:06.50 | sje46 | Is there a proper way to shut off programs that start up at boot besides just deleting the stuff in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 00:07.09 | TheJH | sje46, delete the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 00:07.22 | abrotman | or use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 00:07.22 | sje46 | Is that the proper way? |
| 00:07.28 | TheJH | sje46, or prefix it with something like "disabled" |
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| 00:07.37 | abrotman | update-rc.d is "more" proper |
| 00:08.31 | themill | TheJH, sje46: deleting the symlink is not a good plan. It will come back on the next package upgrade |
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| 00:08.55 | sje46 | alright, what repository is update-rc.d in? How do I isntal it? |
| 00:09.08 | themill | sje46: if you have debian, you already have it. |
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| 00:09.20 | streuner | prolly basic |
| 00:09.38 | streuner | besides, its not a user thingie :-) |
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| 00:09.54 | sje46 | themill: well I don't |
| 00:10.07 | streuner | why? |
| 00:10.44 | themill | sje46: it's in /usr/sbin |
| 00:10.45 | sje46 | uggg, nevermind. Why does debian do this? |
| 00:10.51 | themill | "do this" |
| 00:11.00 | sje46 | themill: let me finish my thought, christ |
| 00:11.22 | sje46 | why does it not put it in everyone's path? |
| 00:11.29 | streuner | it is |
| 00:11.37 | themill | sje46: you finish your though and *then* press enter. |
| 00:11.45 | sje46 | "command not found" |
| 00:11.46 | TheJH | sje46, because a normal user can't use it anyway? |
| 00:11.46 | abrotman | thought |
| 00:11.52 | abrotman | sje46: as root ? |
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| 00:12.06 | streuner | sje46: only as root... |
| 00:12.11 | sje46 | Yeah, no crap. |
| 00:12.15 | sje46 | Thank you captains obvious |
| 00:12.15 | apt | gern geschehen, sje46 |
| 00:12.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:12.27 | abrotman | apt: shuddup |
| 00:12.27 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 00:15.28 | streuner | und das noch in einem klaren Deutsch, da wird der Hund in der Pfanne verrueckt ;-) |
| 00:16.15 | themill | dpkg: tell streuner about de |
| 00:16.20 | TheJH | Wer sagt was in einem klaren Deutsch? |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | english here |
| 00:16.33 | streuner | <apt> gern geschehen, sje46 |
| 00:16.45 | streuner | thats totally ok |
| 00:17.07 | streuner | in german |
| 00:17.10 | sje46 | so why id thebot speak to me in german? |
| 00:17.11 | themill | abrotman: it's alright, streuner's still not used to this new fangled bot called "apt". |
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| 00:17.46 | themill | sje46: it's overly friendly. And the word "captain" contains "apt"⦠|
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| 00:17.50 | streuner | themill: thats not the question, the question is rather who gave the answer... |
| 00:18.03 | themill | streuner: perhaps it's time to move on... |
| 00:18.49 | sje46 | Oh, the second question. I don't know if this would be debian or more gnome, but I would like to change a keybinding...ish. But I don't want to assign a command to a key combination....I want to assign a key combination to a button |
| 00:19.12 | qop | pinches abrotman and runs away |
| 00:19.13 | sje46 | specificaly, there is a useless calculator key on my laptop. I want to change the function so it's a "control A" |
| 00:20.25 | streuner | themill: good suggestion, i go to bed and tomorrow i'll go to Bad Herzberg Festival :-P |
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| 00:24.06 | ugly_duck | can someone point me in the right direction, when i use screen <-- it changes me from bash to another shell type |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | your .screenrc ? |
| 00:24.49 | ugly_duck | Hmm.. ok, there isn't one, so i create it yeah, i'll go read up on it |
| 00:25.39 | themill | ugly_duck: screen doesn't create a login shell for each terminal so your .bash_profile would not be read, only your .bashrc. |
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| 00:26.47 | sje46 | ugly_duck: environment variable SHELL |
| 00:26.53 | sje46 | you probably will want to change that |
| 00:27.03 | ugly_duck | themill: i have both of those files. .bash_profile and .bashrc |
| 00:27.09 | ugly_duck | sje46: ahh, okies. thanks |
| 00:28.04 | themill | ugly_duck: sure, but they probably have different contents... |
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| 00:28.26 | ugly_duck | themill: so your saying they're meant to have the same? |
| 00:28.33 | Vickao | Debian kernels are not based on RHEL6 kernels right? |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:28.45 | streuner | Vickao: no |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | Vickao: based on .. no .. but they all have the same upstream |
| 00:28.53 | themill | ugly_duck: no, they serve different purposes. You need to configure them appropriately. |
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| 00:29.11 | ugly_duck | themill: ahh, okies, reading about enviroment variables at the moment |
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| 00:29.56 | streuner | Vickao: prolly nobody in debian kernel team has any idea about RHLE6 at all |
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| 00:30.23 | abrotman | streuner: i thought you were going to bed? |
| 00:30.52 | streuner | Do you want to sing me a good night song? |
| 00:30.53 | Vickao | abrotman, treuner: I see..Actually I have been checking this http://wiki.openvz.org/VSwap that's why I quetioned my questions (lol) |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | Vickao: seems a fairly new feature .. do you know if it's gone upstream yet? |
| 00:32.47 | streuner | wonders whats the *basic* question is.. |
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| 00:33.00 | abrotman | streuner: i thought you were going to bed? |
| 00:33.05 | rubin110 | Is memtest86+ part of the Debian netboot installer iso? |
| 00:33.56 | Vickao | abrotman: Nope, no idea about the upstream mate. Actually I have been messing around with beancounters and I came to know about this VSwap emory management. |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | there is a #openvz that might know if they plan to get it in the mainline kernel |
| 00:34.35 | streuner | rubin110: its just a guess, but i doubt it isnt |
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| 00:34.59 | streuner | rubin110: you are able to install any time memtest... |
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| 00:35.33 | Vickao | abrotman: Yeah. I suppose I should ask this at #openvz. Thanks though. |
| 00:35.39 | ugly_duck | does it use .bash_profile or .profile? |
| 00:35.40 | rubin110 | streuner: I have a fresh machien I haven't installed anything onto yet. |
| 00:36.07 | streuner | rubin110: why do you think you need memtest at all? |
| 00:36.18 | rubin110 | streuner: New ram. |
| 00:36.31 | rubin110 | I'd like to know if it's bunk before I migrate over to the new machine. |
| 00:36.41 | streuner | rubin110: basically you shoudnt have any problems |
| 00:36.58 | rubin110 | streuner: You obviously haven't had to deal with bad ram before. |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | rubin110: there is a memtest ISO at their website, or you can install it within Debian to use it from the bootloader |
| 00:37.09 | abrotman | rubin110: you'd do better to ignore streuner |
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| 00:37.38 | rubin110 | abrotman: Yeah, was just wondering if the Debian installer magically came with one. :P |
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| 00:38.04 | abrotman | rubin110: i believe they removed that ... not sure why |
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| 00:38.17 | ugly_duck | man, the one thing i hate about reading online stuff, is there is so much of it, half of the crap is old and out of date |
| 00:38.33 | streuner | it doesnt make sense to test any broken hardware on a maschine |
| 00:38.38 | ugly_duck | google should create another search engine for old stuff |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | useless.google.com ? |
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| 00:39.12 | nezZario | i think it's called archive.org |
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| 00:40.18 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:40.26 | Vickao | Good night! |
| 00:40.32 | streuner | to test broken hardware shouldnt be an issue for installers |
| 00:40.54 | abrotman | streuner: go to bed .. you're not making sense anymore |
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| 00:43.09 | wechat | Hello everyone. i'm here for the first time .I want to upgrade to Sid. And see this page http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php. And reading Sid Faq. What is the best page to read about HowTo Sid. |
| 00:43.12 | wechat | ? |
| 00:43.35 | wechat | !ping |
| 00:43.35 | dpkg | Yes, wechat you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 00:43.55 | wechat | dpkg-reconfigure??? | dpkg |
| 00:43.57 | streuner | wechat: well, just read the page in wiki.debian.org |
| 00:43.58 | sedulous | wechat: i don't know a page about sid but #debian-next on OFTC is an irc channel about it |
| 00:44.06 | wechat | oh sorry |
| 00:44.44 | wechat | i'm playing with bot I was surprised that it is dpkg not ubottu. ubuntu channel doesn't help |
| 00:45.03 | sedulous | wechat: generally your system probably won't break. my desktop has been running a mix of testing and sid for years and it's still fine |
| 00:45.04 | streuner | wechat: why ubuntu? |
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| 00:47.01 | streuner | wechat: please keep in mind, if you have to ask all this kind of questions, you are better up to use stable in Debian |
| 00:49.57 | ugly_duck | screw it |
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| 00:50.52 | guest | Invite to #debian-next? |
| 00:51.08 | stew | wechat: wrong network, it is in irc.debian.org |
| 00:51.11 | streuner | there is no need |
| 00:51.16 | wechat | oh! |
| 00:51.18 | wechat | ^) |
| 00:51.23 | sedulous | (OFTC) |
| 00:51.32 | wechat | Launcher for WindowMaker any? |
| 00:51.35 | streuner | you just use OFTC and join #debian-next |
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| 00:51.45 | streuner | sedulous: irc.debian.org |
| 00:51.51 | streuner | nah |
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| 00:52.55 | sedulous | streuner: irc.debian.org is part of OFTC |
| 00:53.14 | streuner | true |
| 00:53.21 | buhman | is there something special about #debian-next at this particular moment? |
| 00:53.56 | wechat | OFTC Pidgin i don't know how. Really. |
| 00:54.25 | streuner | well, wechat wants to use sid, and has no idea about it alll |
| 00:54.34 | wechat | buhman: If i will not go to sid i will change to gentoo, not war but true |
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| 00:54.59 | streuner | !gentoosmite wechat |
| 00:54.59 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling wechat, and when it's all done, wechat runs no faster than previously |
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| 00:55.13 | wechat | streuner: Yes. I installed from minimal base system, i think it's really cool, but i'm crazy and want something new |
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| 00:55.29 | wechat | yeah not fast ok |
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| 00:55.44 | wechat | You are funny boys yeah |
| 00:55.50 | streuner | wechat: but thats not the question |
| 00:55.57 | sedulous | wechat: just upgrade to sid and try. nothing will explode |
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| 00:56.39 | sedulous | you have backups anyway, like every normal person :-) |
| 00:56.41 | streuner | the question is rather, what kind of problem/issue you want resolve and what kind issue you have |
| 00:56.46 | wechat | I went from minimal base system - sqeeze - wheezy - and i wanna newer. Probably it's alone night in La Russie and nothing to do. |
| 00:57.18 | wechat | sedulous: Simply change sources.list? |
| 00:57.34 | sedulous | yes, add unstable |
| 00:58.21 | abrotman | sedulous: don't tell people that! |
| 00:58.21 | sedulous | and read about "APT pinning" if you want to keep some packages from a specific repository |
| 00:58.28 | sedulous | abrotman: he asked for it |
| 00:58.39 | abrotman | then he should know how .. he shuldn't need any help |
| 00:58.58 | wechat | streuner: Oh ok. One problem. I have only smth like libjack-jackd2.0. And I always get messages to stdout in xterm. So all my apps are alias='app 2>/dev/null 1>&2 &' . I dont want jackd cause it want a lot of libs. |
| 00:59.03 | karlpinc_ | wechat: You know about backports? |
| 00:59.40 | buhman | I'd hate to have to agree, but I compiled a mostly usable gentoo in two days; I think I like it |
| 00:59.45 | wechat | karlpics: hehe, I know that... You mean security? |
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| 01:00.30 | wechat | Don't wory boys. It's not production. It's only IDE computer cause my real box has broken. So this an experimental box right now. |
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| 01:00.50 | wechat | buhman: 2 days with DE? |
| 01:01.09 | karlpinc_ | wechat: No. I mean backports.debian.org. |
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| 01:01.26 | buhman | wechat: wait, IDE computers can actually run the mainline kernel? |
| 01:01.45 | wechat | karlpinc_: Really? Not. I know that I'm not very smoothly understand what are backports, upstreams and so on. ^) |
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| 01:02.40 | wechat | buhman: IDE drive? Mainline? I'm on Pentium 1.2 312 RAM Debian Wheezy with sound, video, localization, it's ok. |
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| 01:02.54 | buhman | wechat: that's probably PATA then... |
| 01:03.04 | wechat | buhman: aga |
| 01:03.12 | buhman | most ide controllers would be paired with 16 bit cpu's I think... |
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| 01:03.31 | wechat | buhman: i want to buy Atom -- just to work and nothing else |
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| 01:05.59 | wechat | http://dpaste.de/jmur/ there's sources.list i can add , but i wanna read some howtos before |
| 01:06.30 | buhman | wechat: all you really need are the main repositories |
| 01:06.47 | buhman | you might grab one or two packages from somewhere else |
| 01:06.54 | SkilZ | is there some way to replace every 'xterm' with 'rxvt' in a text file without manually doing it one by one? |
| 01:07.02 | streuner | wechat: and install everything which is lightweighted, IMO |
| 01:07.08 | wechat | buhman: Yes. I only have them now. |
| 01:07.26 | wechat | SkilZ: sed ? |
| 01:07.35 | SkilZ | ? |
| 01:07.51 | ectospasm | SkilZ: sed, or vim can do that for you... |
| 01:07.57 | wechat | SkilZ: sed -i '/s/xterm/rxvt/g' file.txt |
| 01:07.59 | buhman | SkilZ: ..you could just leave xterm there and mv xterm to xterm.orig and then ln -s /usr/bin/xterm /usr/bin/rxvt |
| 01:08.00 | casts | SkilZ: sed,awk,vi,hell even gedit |
| 01:08.18 | buhman | SkilZ: you probably want to be using urxvt by the way |
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| 01:09.12 | wechat | i wanted rxvt cause it was recommended by xmonad but rxvt doesn't make cyrillic out of the box, so i don't use it. |
| 01:09.46 | sedulous | wechat: urxvt (package rxvt-unicode) is the unicode version of rxvt which i'm sure will handle cyrillic |
| 01:09.54 | SkilZ | ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/rxvt': File exists |
| 01:09.56 | wechat | sedulous: gonna try thnx |
| 01:10.13 | sedulous | if you're low on RAM, you shoud consider urxvt because it has an optional client/server mode. (urxvtd & urxvtc) that saves RAM |
| 01:10.25 | ectospasm | SkilZ: do it the other way around: ln -s /usr/bin/rxvt /usr/bin/xterm |
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| 01:10.33 | sedulous | (â only one process for all terminals) |
| 01:10.35 | wechat | Oh folks. I have NO dpkg-reconfigure even by root. Why is so ? |
| 01:10.35 | buhman | SkilZ: ahh, yes sorry :S |
| 01:10.54 | SkilZ | so /usr/bin/utxvt? |
| 01:11.02 | ectospasm | rxvt-unicode |
| 01:11.16 | wechat | SkilZ: dpkg-alternatives will help some thing like x-terminal-emulator |
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| 01:11.32 | ectospasm | actually, it looks like urxvt will work |
| 01:11.39 | ectospasm | I honestly can't remember how I invoke it. |
| 01:12.03 | wechat | ectospasm: what is good in rxvt rather than in xterm? |
| 01:12.19 | ectospasm | wechat: I don't understand the question. |
| 01:12.31 | SkilZ | how do I undo sudo ln -s /usr/bin/xterm /usr/bin/rxvt |
| 01:12.41 | wechat | ectospasm: sorry. Why rxtv is better? |
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| 01:13.00 | ectospasm | wechat: I dunno, I haven't used xterm as my main terminal emulator... ever |
| 01:13.08 | wechat | SkilZ: just rm the symbolic link |
| 01:13.23 | wechat | ectospasm: in DE or in pure X? |
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| 01:13.34 | ectospasm | wechat: either |
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| 01:14.02 | ectospasm | ...I use urxvt in xmonad... I'm trying to wean myself off of GNOME-centric apps. |
| 01:14.32 | ectospasm | ...but I can't do that until I find something that can properly replace nautilus. |
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| 01:14.40 | ectospasm | ...pcmanfm doesn't cut it |
| 01:14.56 | ectospasm | ...and I'm not interested in konqueror |
| 01:15.05 | gcentauri | what about nautilus is attractive? |
| 01:15.11 | wechat | ectospasm: xmonad is good. But I cant use it with browser, i can't windows to don't lay one over another. |
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| 01:16.03 | ectospasm | wechat: I don't understand. You can make a browser window floating, look up the doFloat manageHook, or whatever it's called. |
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| 01:17.04 | wechat | sedulous: rxtv works. Now u want me to try urvt? I'm really confused with there names and letters in ther names anyway. :) |
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| 01:17.44 | SkilZ | how? |
| 01:17.51 | wechat | ectospasm: alt+tab isn't working by default, so when open smthing with gui it's a trouble to use it. |
| 01:18.01 | SkilZ | wechat: how do i remove the symlink |
| 01:18.04 | ectospasm | wechat: mod + j/k works for me |
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| 01:18.49 | ectospasm | SkilZ: rm /usr/bin/xterm, since you've already deleted the original binary |
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| 01:19.44 | wechat | ectospasm: Ok. I doesn't agree with the moment to resize windows by ctrl+mouse, that's the point. Xmonad was on gentoo and it is , but really i can't configure xminad or may be understand it. Don't wanna be a haskell hacker. ^) |
| 01:20.27 | ectospasm | wechat: then xmonad is not for you. |
| 01:20.32 | SkilZ | I fucked it |
| 01:20.33 | wechat | SkilZ: ls -la /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator |
| 01:20.35 | SkilZ | OE#WIJR(@*#YHU%$(*@# Y%BR)@(UV |
| 01:20.41 | wechat | ectospasm: may be |
| 01:20.42 | SkilZ | no xterm wont even load |
| 01:20.50 | SkilZ | w2309rtuj 23 089r23tro |
| 01:20.51 | SkilZ | t[23t\-o234 y |
| 01:20.52 | ectospasm | SkilZ: didn't you move it out of the way? |
| 01:20.56 | ectospasm | And don't spam |
| 01:20.57 | SkilZ | ']hat? |
| 01:21.05 | SkilZ | IM skitzing |
| 01:21.12 | SkilZ | gonna break my wall |
| 01:21.18 | wechat | SkilZ: nice escape-seqeunces :) |
| 01:21.21 | SkilZ | how the f do I get xterm back |
| 01:21.25 | ectospasm | didn't you "mv /usr/bin/xterm /usr/bin/xterm.bak" or something? |
| 01:21.33 | ectospasm | SkilZ: aptitude reinstall xterm (-; |
| 01:21.49 | wechat | skills : copy-paste to terminal: sudo aptitude install xterm |
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| 01:22.07 | ectospasm | wechat: an install won't work, since dpkg thinks it's already installed |
| 01:22.13 | wechat | SkilZ: press alt+f2 and make it there |
| 01:22.33 | wechat | ectospasm: sudo aptitude -f install ? |
| 01:22.42 | ectospasm | wechat: reinstall works here (-; |
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| 01:23.48 | SkilZ | ok good shit I fixed it, thanks ectospasm |
| 01:24.01 | wechat | hah, for me I really surprised that i have no any dpkg-reconfigure command. |
| 01:24.05 | SkilZ | I was having a psycho ther efor a minute |
| 01:24.33 | ectospasm | SkilZ: remember, D O N ' T P A N I C (in large, soothing letters) |
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| 01:25.17 | ectospasm | I sometimes have to remember that myself. |
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| 01:26.26 | wechat | heh, in russia we believe that debain users know everything |
| 01:26.31 | SkilZ | root@ataraxia:~$ passwd t[23t\-o234]foobar! |
| 01:26.46 | wechat | rxvt has scrool mouse feature i like it |
| 01:27.28 | wechat | * scroll |
| 01:27.30 | SkilZ | yeah urxvt is awesome, it supports anti-alias fonts |
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| 01:27.49 | SkilZ | I was using aterm before that but its deprecated now |
| 01:27.50 | wechat | SkilZ: xterm has truetype fonts |
| 01:28.02 | SkilZ | so does urxvt |
| 01:28.45 | ectospasm | urxvt is highly configurable. Takes a bit more thought than gnome-terminal to set up |
| 01:28.48 | wechat | SkilZ: I made .Xresources with some string but i don't believe i can make antialiasing |
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| 01:29.57 | SkilZ | wechat: http://skilz.dyndns.org/screenshots/2011-07-14-041723_1280x1024_scrot.png |
| 01:30.01 | SkilZ | see my fonts |
| 01:30.04 | wechat | Hm, I have NO urxvt Why? |
| 01:30.31 | SkilZ | wechat: edit ~.Xdefaults |
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| 01:30.55 | ectospasm | wechat: did you install rxvt-unicode? |
| 01:30.58 | SkilZ | and put 'URxvt*font: xft: DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=10' |
| 01:31.10 | ectospasm | I prefer Terminus |
| 01:31.26 | wechat | ectospasm: yes it works, |
| 01:31.31 | SkilZ | fbterm |
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| 01:31.47 | wechat | ectospasm: but i don't understand why is it better ^ |
| 01:31.58 | ectospasm | wechat: rxvt-unicode == urxvt |
| 01:32.05 | SkilZ | unicode |
| 01:32.18 | wechat | i found mterm xrvt xvt but no utxvt |
| 01:32.20 | ectospasm | wechat: you can have different fonts for different languages. |
| 01:32.40 | wechat | ectospasm: haha, ok, you are more clever then I |
| 01:32.45 | ectospasm | so, Latin-1 can be one font, Cyrillic can be a totally different font |
| 01:32.47 | Holborn | -misc-*-*-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-iso10646-1 I like this one |
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| 01:33.12 | wechat | ectospasm: i really have no clear idea how to configure fonts in pure X |
| 01:33.45 | ectospasm | wechat: it is a bit arcane |
| 01:33.46 | wechat | SkilZ: why the picture is loading so hard? |
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| 01:34.06 | Holborn | xfontsel |
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| 01:35.10 | micols | my cursor looks transparent with black dots/stripes in it in Xorg with i915 , any idea why? |
| 01:35.20 | micols | http://rlogin.dk/nc6320cursorproblemi915.txt is my Xorg.0.log |
| 01:35.31 | micols | everything else rendersr fine, even the framebuffer console |
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| 01:35.41 | Lns | Is there a way to use the ssh escape character to forward port(s) after logging in, via a script such as .bashrc ? I would like to forward a port to a host based on the contents of a config file available on the linux server (which would only be available, obviously, after logging in). |
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| 01:36.39 | micols | problem dosn't happen with vesa, I tried latest i915 from git |
| 01:36.50 | wechat | % |
| 01:37.05 | micols | but likely intel driver uses hardware accel mouseptr vs software? |
| 01:37.11 | micols | so could be a broken graphics chip? |
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| 01:41.53 | wechat | :-DShould I use sid on my server? |
| 01:41.53 | wechat | Are you insane? No! |
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| 01:50.04 | wechat | The one thing i can' understand why is CentOS is more production-use-liked than Debian. |
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| 01:51.11 | MrFrood | wechat: for offtopic but redhat is the answer you are looking for |
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| 01:53.22 | wechat | Mrflood: i mean rpm is ... ugly |
| 01:53.38 | Blue1 | naw it's no worse then apt-get imho |
| 01:53.50 | MrFrood | wechat: #debian-offtopic |
| 01:54.39 | MrFrood | as to sid on your server - only if you want lots of work |
| 01:54.44 | wechat | hm lsb_realease -a shows i'm on testing |
| 01:55.01 | MrFrood | wechat: almost as bad |
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| 01:55.33 | MrFrood | stable + backports at best on production machines |
| 01:55.36 | wechat | shit generator wrong |
| 01:55.51 | wechat | MrFrood: i mean it |
| 01:56.01 | wechat | but it's my home box |
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| 01:56.40 | MrFrood | ah... I'd still stick with stable+backports on my main box |
| 01:58.35 | MrFrood | the problem with sid and to a lesser extent testing is that things break |
| 01:58.36 | nezZario | is intel's hyperthreading well supported for xen domu's? |
| 01:58.39 | nezZario | (with debian) |
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| 02:00.22 | MrFrood | plus of course you also have the security issue with testing/sid |
| 02:02.26 | grand_grunt | I am trying to install Debian on a SUN SparcStation4 (old 32 bits SPARC), and the installer finds no files from mirrors. Is sparc32 still available? |
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| 02:03.29 | grand_grunt | It is not a network trouble since it finds release files |
| 02:03.39 | MrFrood | grand_grunt: #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:03.47 | grand_grunt | Thanks. |
| 02:03.54 | MrFrood | grand_grunt: and http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc |
| 02:04.20 | grand_grunt | sparc32 support dropped on Lenny. Aw. |
| 02:05.30 | MrFrood | lenny is still supported *but not for long) |
| 02:06.36 | grand_grunt | yes, but installed doesn't offer the "Lenny" choice. Anyway, I will try to find an OS that still supports sparc32. maybe Nexenta. |
| 02:06.47 | grand_grunt | s/installed/installer/ |
| 02:07.18 | MrFrood | grand_grunt: netbsd? |
| 02:08.03 | grand_grunt | Hm. Well, why not? |
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| 02:08.54 | Love12 | Hi |
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| 02:22.05 | rook2pawn | how do i turn off my touchpad? im in gnome / squeeze |
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| 02:28.51 | xk | anyone got flash 11 64 bit to work on firefox 5? or any plugins to work? |
| 02:31.19 | rook2pawn | is there a firefox5 for debian? |
| 02:31.50 | gcentauri | i'm running wheezy and had firefox4 installed, which one day said it updated to 5 |
| 02:31.54 | gcentauri | haven't really checked it out much |
| 02:32.07 | gcentauri | i built from source and ran it from my home/bin |
| 02:32.18 | gcentauri | or something |
| 02:32.21 | gcentauri | ;) |
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| 02:33.38 | gcentauri | http://www.johannes-eva.net/how-to-install-firefox-on-ubuntu-linux |
| 02:33.50 | gcentauri | don't even have to build i guess |
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| 02:34.39 | abrotman | gcentauri: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | rook2pawn: mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:35.19 | rook2pawn | abrotman: thanks. is this not free? |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | rook2pawn: ? |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | xk: other people have said it works |
| 02:35.35 | rook2pawn | i thoguht that's why iceweasel was included in distro |
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| 02:35.45 | rook2pawn | since it was "non-branded" |
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| 02:37.13 | abrotman | gcentauri: do NOT msg me .. |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | gcentauri: mozilla.debian.net .. no one needs your instructions .. certainly not for a distro that is NOT debian |
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| 02:38.29 | xk | abrotman: well, it's complaining for me... then again... my installed OS is ancient ;o |
| 02:38.32 | xk | time to do a fresh install |
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| 02:38.41 | abrotman | ancient ? |
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| 02:39.16 | xk | ubuntu 8.10 :P |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | wonders why xk is asking here ... |
| 02:39.51 | xk | lol |
| 02:40.17 | abrotman | is pretty sure a #debian op should know better than to ask about Ubuntu in #debian ... |
| 02:40.37 | stew | is ubuntu the brown one? |
| 02:40.50 | xk | so what is the preferred way of installing debian with a desktop? |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | !netinst xk |
| 02:41.00 | abrotman | bleh |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | xk: find the netinst on the website .. |
| 02:41.18 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 02:41.18 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 02:41.20 | xk | because I always installed the bare minimum and just selected packages. |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | thought we had a cmd for that |
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| 02:42.16 | xk | and the meta packages for gnome? |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | gnome .. |
| 02:42.26 | abrotman | tough one .. i know |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | xk: aptitude install xorg gdm3 gnome |
| 02:42.48 | xk | ok, i'll do it next week once I have time off work. |
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| 02:46.32 | gcentauri | abrotman: well pardon me for trying to participate. |
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| 02:47.58 | grand_grunt | MrFrood: Was a good choice, NetBSD. It is installing on the old Sun. Thanks again :) |
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| 02:49.29 | buhman | stew: ubuntu is the purple one |
| 02:50.27 | grand_grunt | Why using Ubuntu when you can have free software? |
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| 02:54.01 | Some_Person | grand_grunt: ubuntu is free |
| 02:54.16 | abrotman | talk about Ubuntu in #ubuntu .. thank you |
| 02:54.23 | xk | ;) |
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| 02:57.46 | rwt | when I try zipping a directory, say: zip -r -9 test.zip /var/www, the directory structor of the zip starts with /var/www/. What if I want it to start with whatever is in /var/www ? |
| 02:58.19 | grand_grunt | maybe try "/var/www/*", but this won't add hidden files. |
| 02:58.27 | abrotman | rwt: run the command from /var/www/ ? |
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| 02:59.27 | rwt | abrotman: but I need to zip multiple directories like this |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 02:59.53 | xk | zip is non-free :P |
| 03:00.02 | rwt | ok |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | it is? |
| 03:00.06 | rwt | then with tar |
| 03:00.13 | abrotman | judd: info zip --release squeeze |
| 03:00.14 | judd | Package zip (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Archiver for .zip files. Version: 3.0-3; Size: 308.2k; Installed: 600k; Homepage: http://www.info-zip.org/Zip.html; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/zip |
| 03:00.16 | rwt | it dosn;t matter realy |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | it's in main .. |
| 03:00.58 | rwt | i dont see anything in the man pages for zip |
| 03:01.03 | xk | hmm weird |
| 03:01.08 | rwt | that hints at what I am trying to do |
| 03:01.23 | rwt | the recurrsion option states it starts from where you are |
| 03:01.33 | rwt | so if i cd into /var/www |
| 03:01.36 | rwt | it should work |
| 03:01.52 | rwt | but I need to do many directories like this in one tar or zip |
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| 03:02.10 | abrotman | rwt: can't you add files to the zip afterward? |
| 03:02.12 | manchot | installed nginx, but there is no /var/www dir |
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| 03:02.23 | manchot | where is the Web root dir located for nginx? |
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| 03:03.25 | rwt | abrotman, I guess that would work, but I would have to cd execute comman, cd execute comman, etc |
| 03:03.40 | rwt | it seems there should be functionality so i dont have to do that |
| 03:03.49 | rwt | *command |
| 03:05.04 | rwt | http://www.info-zip.org/license.html |
| 03:05.20 | rwt | ^^ zip license |
| 03:06.21 | rwt | found it |
| 03:06.51 | rwt | -j; Store just the name of a saved file (junk the path), |
| 03:06.51 | rwt | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.51 | rwt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:07.13 | abrotman | uhm .. i think you odn't want that |
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| 03:10.52 | rwt_ | hit the wlan switch on my laptop ;x |
| 03:11.24 | manchot | what should be default permission for /var/www ? |
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| 03:15.08 | rwt_ | manchot www-data:www-data for apache... have not worked much with nginx |
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| 03:18.38 | D-Boy | Hi, i can't access any local machine (ssh/ping/web...) but i can navigate on internet without problem. wifi connection |
| 03:19.12 | yagoo | D-Boy, what does iwconfig -a say? |
| 03:19.45 | D-Boy | -a no such device |
| 03:20.10 | yagoo | try without -a. my bad |
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| 03:21.25 | D-Boy | yagoo, http://pastebin.com/wg4gMWz7 |
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| 03:23.32 | D-Boy | seems like for the local area all the packets went through eth0, how to get those packets go through wlan0 |
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| 03:27.56 | wols | D-Boy: in what subnet are these local machines? and what is the output of ifconfig? |
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| 03:30.41 | amop | in the current-live download area, how do i make sense of new formats? i only understand iso and net. i want the best way to install onto existing partition on grub-enabled external drive. |
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| 03:30.48 | D-Boy | wols, http://pastebin.com/JM8FE6qQ |
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| 03:31.57 | D-Boy | wols, the ping command uses eth0 IP ==> 'From 10.10.1.201 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable' |
| 03:32.42 | amop | that is, i dont want to use syslinux. |
| 03:33.10 | wols | D-Boy: either disable your eth0 outright or set the defaultroute via wlan0. |
| 03:33.36 | wols | D-Boy: tho you didn't answer my first question |
| 03:33.59 | wols | D-Boy: ping doesn't tell you ANYTHING about the local interface and its IP |
| 03:34.13 | D-Boy | wols : the subnet is 10.10.1.0 |
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| 03:36.11 | wols | amop: you can copy the ISOs content to the partition then load the kernel file there normally via grub. or you can copy the ISO file itself to the raw partition and use the chainloader |
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| 03:37.49 | D-Boy | wols, how to set the defaultroute ? route add default -net 10.10.1.0 netmask 255.255.254.0 dev wlan0 will do it ? |
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| 03:38.23 | amop | wols: thx. what is advantage of web option, getting squashfs directly? |
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| 03:40.00 | wols | what "web option"? |
| 03:40.43 | amop | ...current-live/amd64/web/ lists squashfs |
| 03:41.25 | wols | amop: full url please |
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| 03:42.17 | amop | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/web/ |
| 03:47.52 | amop | solved. this is for grub to fetch fs from url. "live fetch=http://blahblah.squashfs" |
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| 03:49.00 | wols | ah, live CDs |
| 03:49.01 | wols | !live |
| 03:49.01 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 03:51.29 | LiENUS | is there a package for the current stable debian to do setcap? |
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| 03:59.19 | gnznt | what's the command to find installed packages? |
| 03:59.37 | D-Boy | dpkg -l |
| 03:59.37 | dpkg | wish i knew, D-Boy |
| 03:59.43 | stew | gnznt: aptitude search '~i' |
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| 04:02.07 | gnznt | i installed sources. i don't know where the source directory is located. pls point me to the location. |
| 04:02.38 | stew | gnznt: what do you mean? how did you install sources? |
| 04:02.44 | gnznt | i used apt-get source. |
| 04:03.03 | stew | gnznt: it downloads into the directory fro which you run the coand |
| 04:03.03 | gnznt | i'm on ubuntu. not pretty sure if debian uses it. |
| 04:03.06 | stew | command* |
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| 04:03.12 | stew | gnznt: you should be in #ubuntu then |
| 04:03.19 | roothorick | I need to customize (by recompiling) cURL. What's the best way to handle this? |
| 04:03.24 | gnznt | i am, but plenty of nubs. |
| 04:03.34 | stew | gnznt: help them |
| 04:03.36 | roothorick | on my server, which is running squeeze |
| 04:03.42 | gnznt | okay. |
| 04:03.52 | stew | roothorick: /msg dpkg source |
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| 04:08.38 | jarray521 | libboost-dev seems to always install with openmpi. Is there a way to get libboost to utilize mpich as opposed to openmpi? |
| 04:08.54 | jarray521 | s/mpich/mpich2 |
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| 04:13.20 | wols | jarray521: install the lib you want to get installed first, then install openmpi |
| 04:13.39 | wols | if openmpi depends on either of the two and you install your preferred one it won't try to install the other |
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| 04:14.04 | jarray521 | it's the other way around. |
| 04:14.21 | roothorick | I'm coming from a Gentoo background... what is Debian's equivalent to the "world" file? |
| 04:14.34 | wols | jarray521: so install that lib you want it to use first and then install the library which depends on it |
| 04:14.46 | wols | roothorick: what does this "world" file do? |
| 04:15.13 | roothorick | wols: basically explicitly included packages in the system. Everything installed is either "world", "system", or a dependency thereof |
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| 04:15.39 | roothorick | ....or it's a candidate for depclean |
| 04:15.45 | jarray521 | wols: I tried that. I installed mpich2(and libraries and common files for mpich2). Then, when I tried installing libboost-mpi-dev, it requested to install the openmpi files. |
| 04:16.07 | wols | there is no such thing. you simply install whatever you want. some packages are automatically installed as dependencies in which case you can autoremove them if not needed anymore. that's it |
| 04:16.28 | wols | jarray521: check the boost package and see what it actually depends on |
| 04:17.01 | roothorick | wols: nonono, packages are added to the world file when you install them. That's what I'm asking, where is the list of user-selected packages that autoremove goes by? |
| 04:17.03 | stew | roothorick: what is the use of having a file like that? if you are running debian now and such a file existed, what would you do with it now? |
| 04:17.05 | jarray521 | wols: With respect to the world question, I don't believe that's true, but I could be wrong. |
| 04:17.27 | stew | roothorick: you can get a list of auto-installed packages with "aptitude search '~M'" |
| 04:17.42 | stew | roothorick: or use !~M for the manually installed packages |
| 04:18.12 | wols | jarray521: libboost-mpi stuff Depends: libboost-serialization1.46.1 (>= 1.46.1-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libopenmpi1.3, |
| 04:18.30 | wols | so it depends on openmpi explicitly and not at all on mpich at all. |
| 04:18.50 | roothorick | stew: that seems to just show packages not installed... |
| 04:18.57 | stew | roothorick: oh, add ~i |
| 04:19.00 | wols | jarray521: so you had to compile it yourself to make it run on something else |
| 04:19.06 | jarray521 | wols: That's what I feared... So... there's no version build with mpich2? |
| 04:19.08 | stew | roothorick: the package states (which doesn't include auto or manual installed) would be /var/lib/dpkg/status ; the manual / auto would be in /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates ; but you shouldn't really need to use those files directly ever |
| 04:19.17 | jarray521 | wols: sort of... |
| 04:19.18 | wols | jarray521: not here on my system |
| 04:19.26 | stew | roothorick: so '~i~M' or '~i~!M' |
| 04:19.40 | jarray521 | wols: I was using Gentoo... it does compile, but it's done by the package manager. |
| 04:20.00 | mns | how do I create a bootable USB stick ? Its got a 1GB diskspace on it. I just want to be able to plug that into any laptop and begin running debian |
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| 04:20.32 | wols | jarray521: as I said you have to compile it yourself on debian then if you want it. you can easily build packages with apt-get source <stuff>, patching/editing and then dpkg-buildpackage for example |
| 04:20.49 | wols | !tell mns about live |
| 04:20.50 | stew | mns: use one of the debian-live images? |
| 04:22.31 | mns | stew, wols: I had tried to build one on my own but it wouldn't build. I'll poke around some more |
| 04:22.57 | stew | mns: you might ask in #debian-live on irc.debian.org then |
| 04:23.24 | sary | mns: if you're running Debian , just " umount /dev/sdx1 , cat debian.iso > /dev/sdx1 . |
| 04:23.25 | Blue1 | mns: this recipe might work: http://pkill-9.com/creating-a-usb-flash-drive-for-a-debian-install/ |
| 04:26.09 | mns | Blue1: tharks I'll try that. |
| 04:26.26 | Blue1 | mns: leave me some feedback let me know if it works for you. |
| 04:26.38 | mns | blue1: sure. |
| 04:26.51 | Blue1 | okay off to some cheesy goodness (video) |
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| 04:28.03 | mns | sary: I take it /dev/sdx1 is the USB stick ? will that allow me to boot from the USB ? |
| 04:29.12 | gnznt | does anyone have a link on how to create .deb packages? |
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| 04:40.17 | sary | mns: yes,correct .. If your USB stick is mapped to /dev/sdb1 , or whatever .. you can check with dmesg after inserting it. |
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| 04:41.38 | prppedro | Hi, all... |
| 04:41.50 | sary | hey |
| 04:42.00 | prppedro | Everything fine? |
| 04:42.35 | nz17 | Nah, I'm bored. |
| 04:42.46 | nz17 | But I'm up for chat! |
| 04:42.58 | sary | fine here prppedro , Yourself! |
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| 04:43.24 | prppedro | Yep, allright here... But I have a small problem with my Lenny... |
| 04:43.38 | nz17 | Is your Carl OK? |
| 04:43.50 | prppedro | huh? |
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| 04:44.42 | nz17 | Lenny... Carl... The Simpsons. |
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| 04:44.53 | prppedro | LOL |
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| 04:45.21 | prppedro | Yep... I'm using oldstable, 'cause I'm too lazy to download the stable... =p |
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| 04:46.20 | prppedro | Well, someone knows this error? |
| 04:46.22 | prppedro | mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavcodec.so.51: undefined symbol: lzo1x_decode |
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| 04:47.38 | ChmEarl | installing squeeze via debootstrap: is it necessary to `groupadd wheel` and append sudoers with a %wheel entry? this is not done when sudo in installed? |
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| 04:48.35 | prppedro | I guess that you will need to add something to sudoers, only... |
| 04:48.46 | prppedro | At least, it's what I did... |
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| 04:54.43 | stew | ChmEarl: debian doesn't use a wheel group by default. i believe that these days, installing sudo should include a sudoers group which you could as a user to |
| 04:55.31 | ChmEarl | stew, thanks - never thought to look for sudoers group |
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| 05:07.32 | zykotick9 | ChmEarl, you should find a "sudo" group after installing sudo, add users to that |
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| 05:09.06 | ChmEarl | zykotick9, ok - checking it out - got confused when I saw a Debian guide with a %wheel entry in sudoers |
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| 05:27.18 | breedx | I think I'm being hosed by Bug#629009 on sid on an old mmx machine. Anybody think of any work-arounds? I'm happy to downgrade to gcc 4.5...is that possible? |
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| 05:33.47 | deStone | ok, so I installed squeeze on my poweredge 1955 blade. Everything seemd kosher, then I reboot blade after install, and it doesnt come up (blade does remote IPMI countdown 5,4,3,2,1 ...) then the hang happens... Thoughts? |
| 05:34.00 | deStone | two drives, partitioned using ex4 |
| 05:34.08 | deStone | ext4 (sorry) |
| 05:34.30 | fenugreek | what doesn't come up? |
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| 05:35.01 | deStone | grub I guess |
| 05:36.03 | deStone | sorry, I am just frustrated and figured someone would saY "oh, shit, squeeze doesnt work with pe1955 caux X" |
| 05:36.06 | deStone | haha |
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| 05:37.05 | fenugreek | heh |
| 05:37.14 | fenugreek | "did you enable CONFIG_WORKPLZKTHX?" |
| 05:37.39 | fenugreek | deStone: so you rebooted it? |
| 05:37.52 | fenugreek | are you sure it actually powered off, or rebooted and didn't just shut down |
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| 05:39.13 | deStone | yeah, its for sure rebooted liek 10 times |
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| 05:39.27 | deStone | should i disable the virtualization (processor)? |
| 05:39.38 | deStone | if i am not using it for vmware / virutal iron, etc |
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| 05:40.13 | fenugreek | what, the vt-x? |
| 05:40.21 | fenugreek | never heard of that getting in the way of such things |
| 05:40.24 | deStone | ya |
| 05:40.26 | deStone | ok |
| 05:40.33 | deStone | that was just naother question i had while messing with the bios |
| 05:40.35 | deStone | i'll bb |
| 05:40.41 | deStone | let you know what the hell i did wrong |
| 05:40.42 | deStone | haha |
| 05:40.46 | fenugreek | during the install, do you remember the bit about where to install GRUB? |
| 05:40.53 | fenugreek | what'd you choose? |
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| 05:45.11 | introuble | which is better fs. ext3 or ext4? stable. error free, secure and other features? |
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| 05:46.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | !better |
| 05:46.40 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 05:49.28 | mosno | foo is definitely better than bar. you don't hear of any bands called "Bar Fighters" now, do you? |
| 05:51.06 | kemny | fsck may check ext4 fs more quickly than ext3 |
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| 05:52.43 | mosno | introuble, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Features |
| 05:53.31 | fenugreek | introuble: ext3, but if you have a proper backup system, it doesn't really matter |
| 05:54.24 | e1z0 | ext4 is a bunch of crap |
| 05:54.32 | e1z0 | use reiserfs! |
| 05:54.35 | stew | uh |
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| 05:57.36 | introuble | mosno fenugreek ok |
| 05:58.09 | fenugreek | reiserfs actually is crap |
| 05:58.17 | fenugreek | but again it doesn't matter if you have a proper backup system for data you care about |
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| 06:37.33 | ROKO__ | hello |
| 06:37.42 | ROKO__ | how can protect packages for no upgrade ? |
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| 06:38.39 | epsilon | with hold |
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| 06:39.01 | ROKO__ | give me example please |
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| 06:40.08 | epsilon | google for dpkg and hold |
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| 06:40.26 | epsilon | then you can find how to see current status to change status etc |
| 06:41.34 | ROKO__ | but if distribution is rpm based with apt-get ? |
| 06:41.51 | epsilon | wat |
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| 06:43.09 | ROKO__ | distributions like altlinux pclinuxos momonga (that use rpm -> apt-get -> synaptic) |
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| 06:44.02 | epsilon | uff check out their package management, can only help with dpkg |
| 06:44.23 | ROKO__ | okay thanks |
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| 06:58.22 | nocturnal | does anyone know of efforts being made to port linux drivers for hurd? or even writing a wrapper of some sorts so you can use linux drivers in hurd transparently? |
| 06:59.15 | nocturnal | nevermind, I just learned of DDE |
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| 07:07.41 | hellnest | anyone run a latest liquorix kernel here? I installed it from lqx repo and can't boot to that kernel |
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| 07:25.51 | redguy | delay in the boot sequence |
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| 07:40.24 | phaidros | what do I do when I land in the grub console instead of booting (it is a mdadm/lvm system) if I want to know which grub.cfg the grub wanted to read from and why it didnt? |
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| 07:52.18 | joltcan | phaidros: under the kernel selection box is a small guide to available commands, like "e" to edit the current selection |
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| 07:52.28 | joltcan | phaidros: so maybe you can get that out from there |
| 07:52.59 | joltcan | phaidros: But I don't really understand, if you edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub, the grub.cfg will be /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 07:53.20 | joltcan | phaidros: so don't make changes to /boot/grub/grub.cfg directly, do them in /etc/default/grub |
| 07:53.23 | joltcan | and run update-grub |
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| 07:53.34 | phaidros | joltcan: I got the grub console, I dont see the menu .. |
| 07:54.02 | phaidros | if I would be in the grub menu, editing the entries would be easy. so my question is qbout finding out what goes wrong and why |
| 07:54.09 | joltcan | ah |
| 07:54.50 | phaidros | yeah, seems a tricky one :) |
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| 07:55.03 | joltcan | I would boot in rescuemode and reinstall grub |
| 07:55.09 | phaidros | I booted a rescue now and try to rewrite grub to sda and sdb |
| 07:55.37 | joltcan | if you are in chrooted resuce, then you should just be able to run grub-install /dev/sdx |
| 07:55.38 | phaidros | does grub2 btw writing into lvm boot partition? |
| 07:56.17 | joltcan | I'm booting from lvm on raid1, so it works in squeeze |
| 07:56.44 | phaidros | nice, something to set to enable that? |
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| 07:59.11 | phaidros | yeah, and I finally found out how on squeeze a reboot is possible with a xen kernel: acpi=ht ... |
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| 07:59.43 | phaidros | at least on hetzner root servers ... |
| 07:59.56 | phaidros | with ones from ovh that seems not to be necessarry |
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| 08:20.17 | lancelot_of | hi all, if i hibernate i get "ACPI: Unable to dock!" and at resuming i'm not able anymore to shutdown the machine. Indeed, instead of shutdown it reboots. How to fix?I'm running debian wheezy on thinkpad x220 |
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| 08:36.20 | renihs | hmm is it possible/recommended to upgrade from etch to squeeze directly or should one upgrade to lenny first and then go to squeeze? |
| 08:36.54 | epsilon | through lenny |
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| 08:37.15 | renihs | epsilon, :( hmm k thanks |
| 08:37.19 | epsilon | and if you're religious, pray before each upgrade |
| 08:37.49 | renihs | well, its a minimal system, i hope that works |
| 08:38.06 | epsilon | famous last words |
| 08:38.35 | renihs | well y, i dont trust binary distros in terms of world upgrades, still i would prefer a minimal system to actually do the trick :p |
| 08:38.46 | renihs | how hard can it be? :p |
| 08:39.11 | renihs | i will take snapshots before |
| 08:40.18 | introuble | is www.w3schools.com authenticated and helpful for learning any thing like php ? if yes. why http://w3fools.com/ exists ? |
| 08:40.26 | epsilon | if it's so minimal, consider a fresh&clean install |
| 08:41.03 | nkuttler | introuble: stay away from that site, and ##php, #css, #html, #javascript |
| 08:41.35 | renihs | epsilon, y, i am preparing that as well |
| 08:41.52 | renihs | its basicly just an apache install as far as i am informed |
| 08:42.19 | introuble | nkuttler why |
| 08:42.27 | renihs | but i dont completely trust that information, and the people seem clueless about those installs...so i dont want to lose forgotten stuff |
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| 08:46.12 | gnarface | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1310717025946.jpg < safe for work and contextual, i swear |
| 08:46.14 | sterna | mirrored: http://bou.si/4c/1310717025946.jpg |
| 08:46.38 | nkuttler | introuble: http://www.google.com/search?q=why+avoid+w3schools |
| 08:46.56 | sephii | I was wondering if some "packaging framework" exists which would generate deb files and rpm ones based on the same structure? |
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| 08:48.47 | hellnest | aufs2 status in debian still broken? |
| 08:48.49 | gnarface | sephii: do you really need a framework for that? couldn't you just as easily script the calls to separate rpm and deb creation tools from the same source tree? |
| 08:50.37 | sephii | gnarface: I'd just like to avoid maintaining 2 different packaging scripts (for example on debian I can use debconf but there's no such thing in rpm) |
| 08:50.52 | gnarface | ah |
| 08:50.56 | gnarface | sephii: have you heard of alien? |
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| 08:52.47 | vy | Hi! I have a simple (2-interface) network setup as in http://dpaste.com/569038/ The problem is when machine wakes up, I cannot ping google.com. 1) I take eth1 down, 2) I (can) ping google, 3) I take eth1 up, 4) I can still ping google. What might be the cause of this problem? |
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| 08:53.23 | sephii | gnarface: yes but I'm not sure it's usable with debconf but I'll give it a try |
| 08:53.39 | lancelot_of | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:53.57 | lancelot_of | How to fix?I'm running debian wheezy on thinkpad x220 |
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| 08:54.11 | gnarface | sephii: its the only thing i've heard of like what you're talking about. personally i'd probably just write some bash scripts or something |
| 08:54.17 | gnarface | sephii: but i like doing things the hard way |
| 08:55.19 | sephii | gnarface: I've also heard of cpack but I'm not sure if that's really what I'm looking for.. anyway thanks for the tip |
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| 08:56.47 | gnarface | ,versions cpak |
| 08:56.47 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cpak' was found in i386. |
| 08:56.49 | gnarface | ,versions cpack |
| 08:56.51 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cpack' was found in i386. |
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| 08:57.03 | gnarface | ,versions alien |
| 08:57.03 | judd | Package alien on i386 -- lenny: 8.72; squeeze: 8.81; sid: 8.85; wheezy: 8.85 |
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| 09:01.38 | cusco | hi |
| 09:02.05 | cusco | I just connected a iphone to debian, and gnome auto mounts it and shows icon in desktop to access it |
| 09:02.14 | cusco | thing is, i don't see it on mount -l |
| 09:02.20 | cusco | I don't know where it is mounted |
| 09:02.23 | cusco | what can I do? |
| 09:03.17 | vy | cusco: Running mount as root? |
| 09:03.28 | cusco | y |
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| 09:04.07 | cusco | http://paste.debian.net/122957/ |
| 09:05.50 | lancelot_of | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.02 | Black_Prince | cusco, it is an userspace system. Mounted with gvfs. Have a look in ~/.gvfs |
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| 09:06.19 | xreal | How can I color my bash? It isn't by default :( |
| 09:06.57 | cusco | its empty Black_Prince |
| 09:07.25 | cusco | Xalem: edit the .bashrc file and uncoment the PS1 line in there |
| 09:07.49 | cusco | also the alias bits for ls --color |
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| 09:08.41 | xreal | cusco: Do you mean me or Xalem? |
| 09:08.59 | cusco | xreal: yes you |
| 09:09.00 | cusco | sorry |
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| 09:09.22 | xreal | only PS1 or also umask |
| 09:09.59 | xreal | cusco: PS1 is already uncommended |
| 09:10.17 | cusco | well... |
| 09:10.24 | cusco | paste the line here |
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| 09:11.04 | cusco | do you have a line #force_color_prompt=yes |
| 09:11.05 | cusco | ? |
| 09:11.10 | cusco | you could try and uncomment that |
| 09:11.19 | cusco | deifferent versions of bashrc have different comments |
| 09:11.26 | xreal | perhaps it's in /etc/login.defs ? |
| 09:11.39 | devil | xreal: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/x329.html |
| 09:12.22 | xreal | devil: thanks |
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| 09:17.28 | xreal | That's pretty complicated... I thought, there is a switch only. |
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| 09:19.18 | devil | nope |
| 09:19.59 | vy | When you define a address, netmask, gw for an interface in /etc/network/interfaces and bring it up, it creates two entries in the routing table. That is, 1) net: 192.168.1.0, gw: 0.0.0.0, and 2) net: 0.0.0.0, gw: 192.168.1.1. Here the problem is if there exists a previous default gw, it collides with the current entry. How can I make /etc/network/interfaces to add a single route entry which is net: 192.168.1.0, gw: 192.168.1.1? |
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| 09:30.07 | sickgut | hi people i want to know is there any good free forum software in the debian repos? i wanna set up a site that people can comment etc on threads etc |
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| 09:31.41 | gnarface | slashcode :-p |
| 09:31.57 | Kharec | phpbb isn't in the repo? (I don't know..) |
| 09:32.06 | devil | sickgut: phpbb3, |
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| 09:32.37 | sickgut | Package phpbb3 |
| 09:32.39 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.41 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.43 | sickgut | yep |
| 09:32.45 | sickgut | i just noticed that |
| 09:32.49 | sickgut | thanks for help |
| 09:32.49 | gnarface | does phpbb still suck? |
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| 09:34.33 | lancelot_of | no answers for me? |
| 09:34.43 | sickgut | what was you asking? |
| 09:35.12 | sickgut | i didnt see your question, but if you ask again ill try to answer |
| 09:35.26 | Kharec | lancelot_of: me too, i'll try. |
| 09:35.28 | Kharec | ask. |
| 09:35.42 | lancelot_of | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.48 | gnarface | lancelot_of: lol got swap? |
| 09:36.03 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.18 | lancelot_of | gnarface, what? |
| 09:36.29 | sickgut | do you have a swap file or partition |
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| 09:36.46 | gnarface | lancelot_of: pastebin output of "free -mt" |
| 09:36.47 | lancelot_of | yes i did i've a 4GB swap partition |
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| 09:37.14 | thinksteve | Does suspend to ram work? |
| 09:37.21 | lancelot_of | http://paste.debian.net/122961/ |
| 09:37.50 | sickgut | lol |
| 09:37.51 | devil | lancelot_of: more output from kern.log/dmesg will be helpful |
| 09:38.13 | sickgut | is it just me or do you guys read that free -mt paste thing as MB not GB? |
| 09:38.53 | lancelot_of | http://paste.debian.net/122962/ |
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| 09:39.42 | sickgut | Swap: 4100 0 4100 <------- this is more 4mb not 4gb |
| 09:39.51 | gnarface | lancelot_of: "man free" |
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| 09:40.16 | lancelot_of | sickgut, i'm going to check with partition manager |
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| 09:40.29 | ronny | hi |
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| 09:40.58 | ronny | i got a kind of weird sound issue, normal stuff works fine, but flash has weird static as if the buffer was too small |
| 09:41.04 | lancelot_of | nopf, it's 4 GB!it's also seen in kde partition manager |
| 09:41.12 | jaakkos | lancelot_of: which wifi card do you have in your x220? |
| 09:41.16 | ronny | anyone got an idea what could be wrong? |
| 09:41.18 | thinksteve | sickgut: So he has 3.8 Mb of system memory? |
| 09:41.41 | jaakkos | lancelot_of: i have RTL8188CE. if you have the same, does it wake up after suspend? |
| 09:41.49 | Big_Brother | is there a simple guide to making debian 6 a file server? |
| 09:42.00 | devil | ronny: that is a known prob, should be fixed with latest flash (11b1) |
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| 09:42.57 | lancelot_of | jaakkos, how to check?I can't see it in lspci. Any way resuming yes, it works, even if there are some SIOCSFLAG errors |
| 09:43.12 | jaakkos | lancelot_of: lspci should show |
| 09:43.21 | jaakkos | "Network controller" |
| 09:43.22 | lancelot_of | jaakkos, maye network controller? |
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| 09:43.34 | lancelot_of | ok, 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (rev 34) |
| 09:43.58 | jaakkos | yeah... i was expecting that one too but mine has a realtek one |
| 09:43.59 | lancelot_of | sickgut, my swap partition seems to be 4GB |
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| 09:44.50 | lancelot_of | what's going wrong on my system? |
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| 09:45.33 | SRabbelier|Lappy | Why do fglrx-driver and fglrx-glx depend on a virtual package with no implementation? http://pastebin.com/xpuimSkQ |
| 09:45.39 | SRabbelier|Lappy | (that's on Wheezy) |
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| 09:46.39 | devil | SRabbelier|Lappy: fglrx is broken in wheezy afaik |
| 09:46.53 | lancelot_of | sickgut, Kharec , gnarface ? |
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| 09:47.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | devil: great. permanently, or are they working on a fix? |
| 09:47.34 | lancelot_of | gnarface, i pastebinit-ed free -mt which shows the amount in MB. And 4100 MB are 4.1 GB ;) |
| 09:47.47 | devil | SRabbelier|Lappy: brokenness is part of multiarch transition |
| 09:48.12 | SRabbelier|Lappy | devil: ah, ok, is there an ETA on debrokening? :) |
| 09:48.25 | devil | lancelot_of: your dmesg had nothing on suspend/resume. |
| 09:48.25 | SRabbelier|Lappy | and/or some mailing list I can subscribe to track the status? |
| 09:48.27 | gnarface | sorry lancelot_of that's the only idea i had. it sounded like you didn't have swap |
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| 09:48.45 | andrewnemeth | hello guys |
| 09:48.49 | devil | SRabbelier|Lappy: sorry, i dont know :( |
| 09:48.53 | andrewnemeth | on debian 6 how can I install makedev? |
| 09:49.01 | gnarface | lancelot_of: did you check the bug tracker? |
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| 09:49.55 | devil | lancelot_of: your dmesg output had nothing on suspend/resume. did you suspend within this session? |
| 09:49.59 | lancelot_of | gnarface, i did but nothing helpful |
| 09:50.18 | andrewnemeth | anybody?:( |
| 09:50.20 | sickgut | it could just bethat the debian ACPI systemjust doesnt support your laptop |
| 09:50.26 | devil | lancelot_of: did this work fine before or is it a fresh install? |
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| 09:50.31 | lancelot_of | devil, i didn't if you want i'm going to, so i'll be back and pastebinit something helpful |
| 09:50.34 | sickgut | ive never got it to work on any of my computers |
| 09:50.40 | lancelot_of | devil, fresh install |
| 09:50.48 | devil | lancelot_of: ok, please do so |
| 09:51.00 | lancelot_of | ok see you in a while |
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| 09:51.36 | gnarface | lancelot_of: check your bios too |
| 09:52.04 | devil | yep, any power-saving options |
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| 09:53.47 | jaakkos | lancelot_of: so after hibern, your shutdown works as reboot? no other problems? |
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| 09:55.13 | SRabbelier|Lappy | devil: where did you hear about the reason for brokeness? I'd like to read up on it |
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| 09:56.01 | lancelot_of | ok i'm back |
| 09:56.14 | lancelot_of | jaakkos, exactly |
| 09:56.37 | jaakkos | cool. i have far more serious problems with my x220 and suspend :) |
| 09:57.00 | jaakkos | but i just got it yesterday so i havent had a fight yet. |
| 09:57.02 | lancelot_of | devhell, http://paste.debian.net/122964/ |
| 09:57.23 | lancelot_of | jaakkos, what kind of problems? |
| 09:57.52 | lancelot_of | devil, there's that horrible line ACPI: Unable to dock! |
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| 10:00.20 | devil | lancelot_of: will take some time to look through that, have to work inbetween |
| 10:00.38 | lancelot_of | devil, ok thanks anyway |
| 10:00.56 | gnarface | lancelot_of: do you have a dock for the laptop? |
| 10:01.10 | gnarface | lancelot_of: check for a new bios |
| 10:01.28 | gnarface | lancelot_of: also check its settings; turn on every power management/apm/acpi setting you see |
| 10:02.46 | lancelot_of | gnarface, sorry for the question, but....what is a dock for a laptop? |
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| 10:03.48 | gnarface | lancelot_of: http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/adet.to?poid=500918 |
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| 10:04.05 | gnarface | http://www.toshibadirect.com/images/ui3/accessories/to_pa3916u1prp_v3.jpg |
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| 10:04.44 | lancelot_of | gnarface, oh no, i don't have anything similar |
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| 10:06.47 | ronny | devil: how do i propperly install with the package manager? |
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| 10:07.53 | devil | ronny: is flashplugin-nonfree installed? |
| 10:08.24 | ronny | devil: yup |
| 10:08.40 | ronny | im on wheezy |
| 10:08.45 | devil | ronny: then do: update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 10:08.57 | devil | after apt-get update |
| 10:09.28 | ronny | ok, done |
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| 10:10.10 | bizy | How do i change the DPI settings? |
| 10:10.28 | ronny | works fine now, thanks |
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| 10:10.51 | bizy | or better yet why is gdmsetup broken? |
| 10:11.03 | devil | lancelot_of: was that x220? |
| 10:11.43 | bizy | any answer would be appricated |
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| 10:12.33 | gnarface | bizy: i'm trying to remember how i did it, damn you |
| 10:12.50 | bizy | gnarface, Thanks! |
| 10:13.05 | bizy | gnarface, im pulling my hair out. |
| 10:13.15 | gnarface | bizy: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep dpi -i |
| 10:13.34 | introuble | in what programing languages. the software developer retains the source coda and customer cannot access it to modify the applications. and in what languages it is possible to make the source code from an compiled application. for those 2 questions i think php is not one of them. you give the application that means you give the code. what are others? |
| 10:13.43 | lancelot_of | devil, it is |
| 10:14.02 | devil | bizy: xrandr --dpi [desired dpi] to see it it works (as user) |
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| 10:14.24 | devil | lancelot_of: it seems to have quite some probs with its ACPI implementation |
| 10:14.31 | bizy | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 10:14.32 | gnarface | bizy: i think i found it |
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| 10:15.19 | ronny | are there any easy to use iceweasel/forefox 5 packages? |
| 10:15.22 | scanf | hi, I am using debian and i have some serious conflict issues that are now preventing me from installing any packages. http://pastebin.com/RTFKmAxm |
| 10:15.35 | gnarface | bizy: cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |grep X |
| 10:15.45 | scanf | ronny: there is a ff5 binary package on mozilla.com |
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| 10:16.20 | scanf | i tried both aptitude and apt |
| 10:16.46 | devil | scanf: any packages on hold? |
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| 10:17.01 | bizy | gnarface, whats that supposed to do? |
| 10:17.08 | scanf | devil: how do i check? |
| 10:17.17 | devil | scanf: are you on squeeze? |
| 10:17.17 | gnarface | here is mine: exec /usr/bin/X -dpi 101 -nolisten tcp "$@" |
| 10:17.45 | k-man | what's the setting I need to set to allow ejecting cd/dvd drive by pressing the button on the drive? |
| 10:17.50 | scanf | devil: i think so |
| 10:17.59 | bizy | gnarface, mine is cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |grep X |
| 10:18.10 | bizy | err |
| 10:18.20 | bizy | gnarface, mine is exec /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp "$@" |
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| 10:18.32 | frikinz | ronny: there's IW5 in experimental |
| 10:18.33 | devil | scanf: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
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| 10:18.52 | gnarface | so check your hardware user manual for the physical dpi of the display, and add that to your config file |
| 10:19.05 | introuble | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.11 | frikinz | introuble: perl |
| 10:19.14 | bizy | gnarface, it should be 96 |
| 10:19.15 | frikinz | introuble: java |
| 10:19.39 | scanf | devil: yes, linux-image-2.6 and some xservers, not what it is saying im missing tho |
| 10:19.40 | bizy | gnarface, and where in the config |
| 10:19.57 | devil | scanf: please pastebin the output |
| 10:20.14 | gnarface | bizy: wtf do you mean? |
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| 10:20.29 | bizy | gnarface, what should it look like in the config. |
| 10:20.42 | scanf | linux-image-2.6-686, linux-image-2.6.24-1-686, xserver-xorg-video-intel, xserver-xorg-video-mga, xserver-xorg-video-neomagic..... all those are "hold" |
| 10:20.45 | devil | scanf: and also pastebin output of: apt-get -f install |
| 10:20.54 | gnarface | exec /usr/bin/X -dpi 96 -nolisten tcp "$@" |
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| 10:21.01 | devil | scanf: pastebin it means: not here :) |
| 10:21.13 | scanf | ok ill pastebin both |
| 10:21.28 | devil | scanf: just the apt-get -f install |
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| 10:22.11 | friese | hi |
| 10:22.32 | bizy | gnarface, what do i put in the confile, i know hte dpi should be 110 |
| 10:22.40 | bizy | config* |
| 10:23.16 | gnarface | haha |
| 10:23.17 | friese | i have trouble with apt-get. im running several debian wheezy machines behind a apt-cacher-ng (running on lenny) and noone seems to be able to get libss2 version 1.42~WIP-2011-07-02-1 |
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| 10:23.30 | gnarface | bizy: you just said it needed to be 96 |
| 10:23.55 | bizy | gnarface, yes what it needs to be wasnt important |
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| 10:24.07 | bizy | gnarface, what was important was this Option "DPI" "86 x 86" |
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| 10:24.21 | scanf | devil: http://pastebin.com/RHFULsRx |
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| 10:24.53 | devil | scanf: linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is ANCIENT |
| 10:24.54 | gnarface | bizy: did that work? |
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| 10:25.07 | scanf | yeah this install is a couple years old |
| 10:25.11 | bizy | gnarface, yep |
| 10:25.12 | strk | dpkg: junit.jar |
| 10:25.12 | dpkg | strk: are you using Windows? |
| 10:25.26 | bizy | gnarface, sorry for being a dick.... just been tired. |
| 10:25.27 | strk | :/ ... |
| 10:25.28 | scanf | devil: what should i do |
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| 10:25.44 | devil | scanf: and your packages are in a REAL mess |
| 10:25.51 | bizy | gnarface,But yes adding that worked. |
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| 10:26.24 | scanf | crap :( |
| 10:26.29 | devil | scanf: pastebin: /etc/apt/sources.list (while i get some coffee) |
| 10:27.38 | bizy | gnarface, and thanks for the help! |
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| 10:30.13 | scanf | devil: http://pastebin.com/3gLWKXuT |
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| 10:31.25 | introuble | frikinz can c csharp cplus be reversed engeneered too? |
| 10:31.25 | scanf | it complains about odbcinstldebian2 and libkdecore5 mainly |
| 10:31.33 | introuble | frikinz i had the feeling that some languages are easier to get code really exact and fast. those are real compiled langueges too. eg. csharp and java |
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| 10:34.20 | frikinz | introuble: no idea about c#, I avoid ms stuff. java is trivial to decompile, its not binary, its p-code |
| 10:34.23 | devil | scanf: where does: deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib non-free come from? |
| 10:34.45 | scanf | im not sure, nothing gets downloaded from it tho its a 404 |
| 10:34.59 | ronny | introuble: anything that compiles to machine-independ highlevel bytecode, is relatively trivial to decompile |
| 10:35.27 | ronny | introuble: however anything that compiles to optimized lowlevel code is pretty much impossible to decompile |
| 10:35.50 | frikinz | lets say it takes much more time but not impossible |
| 10:36.24 | devil | scanf: it does not exist, remove it |
| 10:36.35 | devil | scanf: but thats not your problem |
| 10:36.48 | introuble | friese ronny what do yo umean trivial to decompile ? |
| 10:36.53 | devil | scanf: your problem is, you are running sid while being clueless |
| 10:36.58 | subuser | have any of you tried the prelink program to see if your program's load faster? |
| 10:37.22 | ronny | introuble: stuff like classes, methods and normal operations are pretty much preserved in highlevel bytecode |
| 10:37.25 | devil | subuser: dpkg -l | grep kdelibs5-data |
| 10:37.33 | frikinz | introuble: for java, try jad |
| 10:37.38 | introuble | ronny frikinz what languages are that compiles to optimized lowlevel code 2. and what languages compile to bytecode |
| 10:38.03 | introuble | trival means easily be decompiled? |
| 10:38.43 | scanf | devil: it says kdelibs5-data 4:4.3.2-2 |
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| 10:39.14 | sephii | introuble: are you passing an exam or something like that? |
| 10:39.36 | introuble | no. just tying to make application in language that cannot be revers eng |
| 10:39.43 | devil | scanf: dpkg --purge kdelibs5-data && apt-get -f install (pastebin output) |
| 10:39.56 | sephii | introuble: just give up because you can't |
| 10:40.22 | ronny | introuble: what gave you the idea reverse engineering prevention is worth the trouble? |
| 10:40.43 | sephii | introuble: moreover you're on the channel of a FOSS operating system... |
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| 10:41.24 | introuble | ronny ok. what about obfuscation ? |
| 10:41.37 | introuble | ronny ok. what about obfuscation, how to secure java code. or php code even ? |
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| 10:43.18 | ronny | introuble: again - what makes you think thats worth the trouble? |
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| 10:43.31 | scanf | devil: http://pastebin.com/6cVF8k4g |
| 10:44.21 | introuble | ronny just understanding |
| 10:44.22 | introuble | so java cannot be decompiled. ok. but what programers do for not allowing competetive developers copy there software ?> |
| 10:44.44 | ksk | choosing another model of making money |
| 10:45.22 | ksk | if you you a scripting language you cannot (you can try, but it sucks imho) prevent ppl from reading/using your sources |
| 10:45.30 | devil | scanf: as you can see, one problem solved, next raises its ugly head |
| 10:45.33 | ksk | *if you are using |
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| 10:48.20 | devil | scanf: pastebin: apt-get dist-upgrade -s |
| 10:48.31 | Bhavicp | Hi all, would i have any issues if moving the OS boot drive (Debian) to another similar server, (ie different CPU/RAM)? |
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| 10:50.11 | scanf | devil: http://pastebin.com/RjKWAvNG |
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| 10:51.32 | devil | scanf: i give up. its a total mess. would take too long to fix. |
| 10:51.43 | scanf | :( |
| 10:51.46 | devil | scanf: reinstall and get a clue before running sid |
| 10:52.05 | scanf | when i started running this 3 years ago i did know what i was doing |
| 10:52.18 | devil | scanf: it started out as lenny |
| 10:52.40 | devil | scanf: if you have the time, resolve the erroes |
| 10:52.46 | devil | errore even |
| 10:52.51 | scanf | should i unhold the packages? |
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| 10:53.06 | devil | scanf: you can do that, but thats not your only problem |
| 10:53.08 | scanf | (how do i do that?) |
| 10:53.25 | devil | scanf: see, running sid, you have to know how to resolve these |
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| 10:53.40 | devil | otherwise stick to stable. |
| 10:54.17 | scanf | where/how do i figure out how to do that? |
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| 10:55.16 | devil | scanf: you have to understand the package system, how dependencies work etc |
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| 10:57.03 | devil | scanf: no need to unhold that kernel, just remove it. the other held packages can be overridden by apt-get installing them, wheres i have no idea what gfx-card you have |
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| 11:00.16 | devil | scanf: there is also a sid-faq on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#FAQ |
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| 11:01.33 | cipher__ | My resolution is set to 1440x900 on my display via nvidia however everything is appearing much to large. this is after playing a game in fullscreen in wine, after rebooting as well |
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| 11:02.21 | treaki | hello, i want to install debian on an Power Macintosh 7600/132 |
| 11:02.31 | treaki | what i have to do for that? |
| 11:02.44 | treaki | i think i need a floppy image to boot but |
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| 11:02.52 | devil | cipher__: http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html |
| 11:03.24 | cipher__ | 77.19 PPI |
| 11:03.27 | treaki | in the squeeze folder there are only cd images |
| 11:03.45 | treaki | and the images from http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-powerpc/20070308/images/powerpc/floppy/ dosnt work... |
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| 11:04.10 | cipher__ | where can i change my ppi? |
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| 11:04.38 | devil | cipher__: do you have an xorg.conf? (i guess so, if you use nvidia driver) |
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| 11:04.45 | cipher__ | yes |
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| 11:05.19 | devil | cipher__: you can add it there, check with goole how to, i have not had an xorg.conf in a long time |
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| 11:05.38 | devil | cipher__: another place would be .xinitrc |
| 11:05.40 | cipher__ | no easy way to reset :p, alright, thanks |
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| 11:05.48 | crilly | Does Debian come with Java in the repositories? I can't see it and I need it in Google Chrome. |
| 11:06.16 | devil | crilly: main has free java, non-free has sun-java |
| 11:06.34 | crilly | Ah right, I need the non-free repositories then. OK cheers |
| 11:06.36 | devil | crilly: apt-cache search java |
| 11:07.01 | devil | crilly: if free java implenentation is not enough, yes |
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| 11:17.02 | crilly | Thanks devil. I added the 'non-free' repositories and now I have sun-java6-*. |
| 11:17.13 | devil | yw |
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| 11:19.07 | crilly | devil: I suppose the same applies to adding Adobe Flash support as well? |
| 11:19.13 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.15 | sickgut | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.17 | sickgut | Mem: 524288 17152 507136 0 0 0 |
| 11:19.20 | sickgut | -/+ buffers/cache: 17152 507136 |
| 11:19.21 | sickgut | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 11:19.29 | sickgut | oops sry wrong chan |
| 11:19.43 | devil | crilly: that needs contrib :) |
| 11:20.24 | SRabbelier|Lappy | devil: I managed to fix the issue by adding contrib |
| 11:20.26 | devil | crilly: even though the package name is flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:20.30 | crilly | devil: I should probably learn the difference between these repositories. |
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| 11:20.58 | devil | crilly: contrib has stuff that is basicaly free but needs non-free stuff to work |
| 11:21.08 | crilly | Ah! |
| 11:21.14 | DelTree | strange enough that the flashplugin is in contrib... |
| 11:21.23 | devil | DelTree: why? |
| 11:21.43 | devil | DelTree: flashplugin-nonfree is not the flashplayer itself |
| 11:21.59 | devil | it just pulls it, hence contrib |
| 11:22.18 | crilly | devil: So anything in "non-free" is compeltely proprietary? |
| 11:22.18 | DelTree | then I don't quite see what it is... ^_^ |
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| 11:22.51 | devil | crilly: proprietary or otherwise not suited for main |
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| 11:23.03 | devil | DelTree: ? |
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| 11:25.05 | kemny | can "apt-cache search *" show only contrib packages? |
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| 11:26.07 | devil | kemny: apt-cache search honours your sources.list |
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| 11:27.43 | kemny | devil: my sources.list has main, contrib and non-free lines. to show only contrib packages, I should fix my sources.list containing only contrib lines? |
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| 11:28.15 | devil | kemny: oh, i misunderstood. you want to show only contrib packages? |
| 11:28.27 | kemny | devil: yes! |
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| 11:29.07 | devil | kemny: hmm, never thought about that |
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| 11:30.30 | kemny | it is good for me that apt-cache has options to search and filter packages by their type |
| 11:31.13 | crilly | I need to get sound working on this machine now. It's a Dell Optiplex 745 with Debian Sueeze, and I'm using wmii as my window manager. |
| 11:31.18 | devil | kemny: maybw man apt-cache has an answer |
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| 11:31.49 | crilly | I'm only used to using Linux as a server environment and it's been years since I used it as a desktop, so I've forgotten all the desktop stuff like sound drivers :( |
| 11:32.48 | devil | crilly: look at alsamixer, activate/demute everything |
| 11:32.52 | devil | gotta run |
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| 11:34.00 | crilly | Thanks devil |
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| 11:35.33 | jaakkos | huh, had some fight with suspend on Debian testing + RTL8188CE on ThinkPad X220. the driver didn't work after suspend, and resuming took around 5-10 minutes. tried latest kernel.org stable, didn't help. pulled and built rtlwifi from torvalds tree -> solved. |
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| 11:36.27 | Bhavicp | Hi all, would i have any issues moving the OS boot/root drive (Debian) to another similar server, (ie different CPU/RAM)? |
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| 11:37.50 | crilly | Possibly. Depends on hardware compatibility. |
| 11:38.02 | crilly | Just dd the drive and pop it in and find out :) |
| 11:38.23 | laughtrip | anyone familiar with debian installation of qmailrocks? |
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| 11:39.57 | laughtrip | when i run netstat -tupan |grep LISTEN ... i should see a line that's listening to to a port running tcpserver ... and another running sslserver ... but both of those are missing, even though sslserver and tcpserver were configured and installed. i can't find in google how to fix this. |
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| 11:40.07 | wols | Bhavicp: if you use debian kernels, then no problem directly. however, it could happen that former /dev/hda1 is now /dev/sda1 for example |
| 11:40.18 | wols | Bhavicp: but generally, there are no issues |
| 11:40.21 | xxtjaxx | faw: Ping. |
| 11:40.24 | petemc | laughtrip: you need to be root to use -p with netstat |
| 11:40.32 | Bushmills | laugh netstat has -l option for "LISTEN" |
| 11:40.55 | wols | laughtrip: are you root? |
| 11:41.00 | laughtrip | wols yes |
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| 11:41.18 | wols | laughtrip: ps aux |grep >sslserver> |
| 11:41.23 | laughtrip | bushmills yes and it is showing a list of ports that it listening to, but sslserver and tcpserver do not show up in the list. |
| 11:41.26 | wols | |grep <sslserver> rather |
| 11:41.32 | laughtrip | petemc i am running it as root |
| 11:41.39 | petemc | fair enough |
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| 11:42.14 | Sander^work | Anyone know about a place I can see the diffrence on some standar software licences? |
| 11:42.25 | Bushmills | so the process doesn't seem to listen. or is invoked by inetd/xinetd. or maybe not running at all. |
| 11:42.36 | Bhavicp | Thanks wols! |
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| 11:43.08 | laughtrip | wols when i run that ps aux line it just returns a line root 21937 0.0 0.1 5140 788 pts/0 S+ 11:39 0:00 grep sslserver |
| 11:43.24 | Bushmills | thus, not running at all |
| 11:43.26 | wols | so sslserver isn*t running. start iz |
| 11:43.30 | wols | *it |
| 11:43.36 | laughtrip | yes bushmills that's what i thought so i looked for how to start it but did not find a way to start it |
| 11:43.52 | laughtrip | wols how can i start it? i have been searching for that |
| 11:44.01 | Sander^work | ..comercial licences also....? |
| 11:44.06 | Bushmills | makes me wonder why you're surprised that that non-running process wasn't listening |
| 11:44.27 | laughtrip | when i add the line in one of the apache conf files to tell the virtual hosts to LISTEN to port 443 and then restart apache, it fails / apache doesn't restart until i remove that line. |
| 11:44.42 | format_c | For such cases I prefer `netstat -tlnp` as root |
| 11:44.50 | wols | laughtrip: depends on the server. how should we know? is this "sslserver" part of debian? |
| 11:45.24 | laughtrip | wols as far as i know, it is either part of debian or webmin or some part of qmailrocks. i'm new to debian and webmin. |
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| 11:45.39 | wols | laughtrip: are you trying to run a https apache instance? what this BS talk about "sslerver" then? |
| 11:45.42 | wols | !webmin |
| 11:45.42 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 11:45.56 | dFence | hey guys, if I want to create a new multistrap-rootfs from scratch with busybox instead of coreutils, what do I have to do? |
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| 11:46.06 | wols | laughtrip: you use webmin? have a nice day and solve your own problems. good luck. you need it |
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| 11:46.44 | laughtrip | wols yes i know webmin is lame - i don't use it much. i just notice that various things installed on the server are running under it. i'm doing all of the relevant stuff i'm talking aobut here, from command line on the server (not webmin) |
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| 11:47.45 | laughtrip | i'm installing qmailrocks via command line - nothing to do with webmin. |
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| 11:48.06 | petemc | thats questionable as well |
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| 11:49.53 | introuble | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:50.28 | wols | introuble: #kubuntu |
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| 11:52.55 | laughtrip | ok thx all i'll keep digging bye :) |
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| 11:53.32 | giantkiar | hi there |
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| 11:54.25 | giantkiar | I have a debian squeeze NetInst...when I try to install keyboard doesn't work... What can I do?!? |
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| 11:57.32 | casts | is it a USB keyboard? |
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| 11:58.39 | Sander^work | Can anyone recommend any standar commercial software licence to use? Or an overview of what exists out there.? |
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| 12:00.31 | scriptdevil | Hey. I am setting up NFS with LDAP. The user-ids are getting mapped correctly on the server. But the client still lists it as nobody. How do I fix this? |
| 12:00.34 | scriptdevil | When I create a file on the client, the server displays the id/group of the client who created it. But the client doesn't. |
| 12:01.00 | giantkiar | casts: no... |
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| 12:02.00 | giantkiar | casts: it's a serial one... |
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| 12:14.33 | casts | giantkiar: oh. bit before my time |
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| 12:18.27 | wols | who uses serial keyboards except ADB macs? |
| 12:19.11 | giantkiar | casts: what's?!? I'm sorry...I don't understand... |
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| 12:24.29 | wols | giantkiar: except for old Apple computers, there aren't really any serial keyboards |
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| 12:25.51 | aLgEBrA | i love my old keyboard without any windows-key and insert+delete on the numpad |
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| 12:26.20 | rasdark | dpkg 5.0.8 |
| 12:26.21 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.8 was released on January 22nd, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <oldstable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110122 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 12:28.29 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:35.06 | giantkiar | wols: are you joking?!? PS/2 is serial too!!! |
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| 12:40.49 | wols | so is usb :) |
| 12:41.54 | wols | the old XT/AT keyboards as well btw, but that doesn't mean you describe it as serial when asked. unless you want to obstruct the issue on purpose. which is a stupid stupid idea if you want help about it and not just troll. so good luck |
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| 12:43.05 | RichiH | wols: he quit |
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| 13:02.05 | coredumb | hello |
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| 13:03.46 | coredumb | i have problem making the sound working on a fresh unstable install on MAD fusion board. http://pastebin.com/RdVtXJyb here's the errors poppin when i try to play something |
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| 13:05.00 | MrFrood | !tell coredumb about alsa-checklist |
| 13:05.03 | devil | coredumb: check alsamixer, unmute stuff |
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| 13:05.39 | MrFrood | !tell coredumb about alsactl |
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| 13:06.19 | lancelot_of | hi |
| 13:06.32 | coredumb | yeah obviously the problem isn't about muting something but thx anyway MrFrood |
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| 13:06.56 | Python | hi lancelot_of |
| 13:07.28 | lancelot_of | i've the most recent version of my BIOS on thinkpad x220 and the updated xserver-xorg-video-intel driver but X session sometimes freezes. It's really annoying. I'm running debian wheezy. How to fix? |
| 13:07.39 | lancelot_of | hi Python ;) |
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| 13:08.13 | MrFrood | coredumb: check the message buffer from dpkg - come back with any questions |
| 13:08.41 | devil | did you find any more info on your acpi problem? |
| 13:09.44 | coredumb | MrFrood: i already made this... also tried to change card order but it gives errors and doesn't help. realtek snd driver doesn't like index option etc |
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| 13:10.36 | devil | lancelot_of: did you find any more info on your acpi problem? |
| 13:10.36 | SkilZ | whats a good mailserver to use |
| 13:10.55 | SkilZ | easy to configure and I want to use squiralmail web interface |
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| 13:11.10 | SkilZ | also a nice runthrough doc would be nice |
| 13:11.28 | lancelot_of | devil, thanks for your question. I've not solved that problem, the bios is up to dated yet and i didn't find any useful information on the web |
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| 13:12.06 | lancelot_of | devil, moreover in bios all power management option are already turned on |
| 13:12.08 | PhoenixSTF | SkilZ, you have postfix |
| 13:12.12 | devil | lancelot_of: well, it wont be solved easily, because the problem is in the acpi implementation |
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| 13:12.36 | lancelot_of | devil, in thinkpad acpi or debian wheezy acpi? |
| 13:12.39 | devil | lancelot_of: but there should be others with probs with that bios/acpi |
| 13:12.49 | devil | lancelot_of: in x220 |
| 13:12.52 | ASIRINeiluj | Hi |
| 13:12.53 | SkilZ | I do? |
| 13:13.00 | PhoenixSTF | SkilZ, qmail is also good but postfix is the one with more usage and documentation |
| 13:13.00 | SkilZ | its already installed? |
| 13:13.09 | devil | lancelot_of: i found bugs for x220 with the same error, other symthoms |
| 13:13.10 | PhoenixSTF | problably not |
| 13:13.13 | SkilZ | what about exim4? |
| 13:13.24 | PhoenixSTF | dont know exim4 |
| 13:13.27 | petemc | it works |
| 13:13.51 | PhoenixSTF | everybody uses postfix or qmail |
| 13:13.57 | lancelot_of | devil, where?could you link me? |
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| 13:14.05 | petemc | PhoenixSTF: thats not true at akk |
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| 13:14.07 | petemc | all |
| 13:14.25 | PhoenixSTF | it aint? |
| 13:14.27 | petemc | no |
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| 13:14.30 | ASIRINeiluj | It seems to me that the "pinentry-kwallet" command of package "kwalletcli" should be made an alternative for "pinentry-x11" however I'm not sure if there's a good reason why it's not ... where should I raise the issue, a bug seems to much if I'm wrong ... |
| 13:14.40 | PhoenixSTF | so what do they use? |
| 13:14.56 | devil | lancelot_of: i just googled your errors (grep acpi from your last paste) those bugs were not helpful, just pointed out that acpi has a prob on that notebook) |
| 13:15.24 | petemc | exim4 and postfix are very popular, qmail is less popular than it was 5 or 6 years ago |
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| 13:15.37 | lancelot_of | devil, ok it's so annoying... |
| 13:15.59 | devil | lancelot_of: you need some patience googling around |
| 13:16.11 | lancelot_of | devil, so in your opinion i've no way to shutdown system in those conditions? |
| 13:16.29 | devil | lancelot_of: afaik, not as is |
| 13:16.31 | PhoenixSTF | I did know that people were stoping to use qmail, speacialy cause of its licence |
| 13:16.47 | PhoenixSTF | but postfix is good |
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| 13:17.13 | ASIRINeiluj | ok, I guess I'm going to fill a bug ... |
| 13:17.35 | PhoenixSTF | petemc, SkilZ , imo has long has it is linux |
| 13:17.47 | SkilZ | I've never even heard of qmail |
| 13:17.57 | SkilZ | I used to use exim4 but a friend set it up for me |
| 13:18.23 | PhoenixSTF | qmail doesnt have a good licence, its not very open source |
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| 13:19.04 | lancelot_of | devil, take a look, if you can, here: http://thinkpad-forum.de/threads/110463-X220-Serie/page491 maybe uninstalling laptop-mode-tools can help? |
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| 13:19.11 | PhoenixSTF | postfix in the other hand is the most comenly used, i didnt kew about exim4, but anyway has long has is those 2 its ok just search for some documentation |
| 13:19.31 | lancelot_of | devil, i don't know german language... ;) |
| 13:19.45 | devil | lancelot_of: well, i do :) |
| 13:19.48 | SkilZ | what about sendmail? |
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| 13:21.00 | devil | lancelot_of: well, that seemed to workaround the very same problem |
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| 13:21.16 | lancelot_of | devil, i'm going to try |
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| 13:22.43 | abrotman | thinkwiki ? |
| 13:23.00 | SkilZ | should I do 'aptitude install postfix postfix-tls libsasl2 sasl2-bin libsasl2-modules popa3d' ??? |
| 13:23.01 | lancelot_of | abrotman, doesn't solve |
| 13:23.10 | lancelot_of | i'll back in a while |
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| 13:23.12 | lancelot_of | see you |
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| 13:25.37 | wols | SkilZ: if you want to use squirrelmail you need an imap server. popa3d won't cut it then |
| 13:25.57 | SkilZ | so what do I need? |
| 13:26.11 | petemc | to read more |
| 13:26.18 | SkilZ | or |
| 13:26.24 | SkilZ | pay some $$$ |
| 13:26.26 | SkilZ | :) |
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| 13:26.41 | petemc | that would work too |
| 13:26.41 | SkilZ | and get professional expertise |
| 13:27.00 | SkilZ | who will do it for $20? |
| 13:27.02 | joltcan | exim4 and dovecot and squirrelmail. However, I think roundcube is nicer (but with less plugins) |
| 13:27.11 | SkilZ | I'll paypal it |
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| 13:27.22 | colo-work | anything PHP is bad enough. |
| 13:27.30 | devil | SkilZ: you put 20$ and proffessional next to each other ;) |
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| 13:27.39 | joltcan | colo-work: but it's still better then coding it youersef |
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| 13:27.53 | SkilZ | devil: how professional do you think Im talking? |
| 13:27.56 | joltcan | like my spelling |
| 13:27.57 | colo-work | joltcan, probably, but only if you'd program in PHP as well ;) |
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| 13:28.06 | petemc | SkilZ: i'll set you up a gmail account for $20 |
| 13:28.11 | joltcan | haha |
| 13:28.21 | devil | hehe |
| 13:28.22 | colo-work | SkilZ, what are you looking to have implemented? |
| 13:28.27 | colo-work | and on what distro? |
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| 13:28.36 | colo-work | ah, we're in #debian |
| 13:28.41 | colo-work | so I guess that's it then ;) |
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| 13:29.35 | wols | colo-work: he wants a mailserver |
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| 13:29.57 | colo-work | wols, so much I had already figured ;) |
| 13:30.01 | SkilZ | not gonna get tsutomu shimomura to do it |
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| 13:31.13 | akoma1s | Hello, I'm trying to use pam_cap.so and failing utterly. Whether using ssh or su, the capabilities I've set in /etc/security/capability.conf are not granted on login. Anyone else got it working? |
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| 13:31.54 | SkilZ | ok in the postfix config, what should I select, no config, internet site, internet with smarthost? |
| 13:32.02 | colo-work | akoma1s, did you configure ssh and su to actually care about that module in /etc/pam.d/$servicename? |
| 13:32.26 | colo-work | SkilZ, depends on what kind of setup you plan. "no config" is probably not what you want by any means, though. |
| 13:32.51 | pisnux | will gvfs libs added to the ia32-libs provided for running 32 bit applications on 64 bit (as done on buntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/369498/comments/68)? |
| 13:32.58 | akoma1s | both of their /etc/pam.d files refer to common-auth, which contains "auth optional pam_cap.so" |
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| 13:33.19 | SkilZ | I figured that much, I just want to send and recieve mail to anyone, so internet site? or? |
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| 13:33.41 | akoma1s | (It was added automatically by libcap2-bin's postinst I think) |
| 13:33.47 | colo-work | if you want your bos to directly contact other mailhosts, without relaying over, say, an ISP's mail server, then yes |
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| 13:41.44 | lancelot_of | ok so i suspended to ram/resumed, hibernated/resumed then shutdown (after uninstalling laptop-mode-tools). Now shutdown works (it behaves not like reboot) even if that horrible line in syslog (ACPI: Unable to dock) is still there. so problem partially solved |
| 13:42.12 | devil | lancelot_of: not solved, only workedaround |
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| 13:42.29 | joltcan | SkilZ: Yes |
| 13:42.38 | devil | lancelot_of: because now you are missing laptop-mode-tools |
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| 13:43.08 | devil | lancelot_of: i would try with lenovo support facilities |
| 13:43.19 | devil | lancelot_of: i am sure they are aware of the issue |
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| 13:44.19 | lancelot_of | devil, should i submit a ticket in some lenovo forum/trouble list? |
| 13:45.30 | devil | lancelot_of: i cant tell you, thinkwiki should know |
| 13:45.37 | SkilZ | hmm, System mail name: ataraxia 'is my hostname should I leave it as that' my dyndns is skilz.dyndns.org, so what to use? |
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| 13:45.52 | coredumb | MrFrood: ok problem solved with oss4 ... as usual ... |
| 13:46.21 | wols | the dyndns one |
| 13:46.28 | SkilZ | ok |
| 13:46.40 | gnznt | so uh... when is wheezy coming out? |
| 13:46.48 | wols | SkilZ: and you will need a the setup with a smarthost in the long run. but that's extrac configuration |
| 13:46.59 | wols | !tell gnznt about wir |
| 13:47.04 | devil | gnznt: when its done. |
| 13:47.20 | SkilZ | wols: Oh rly? I just selected Internet Site |
| 13:47.21 | SkilZ | :( |
| 13:47.31 | wols | SkilZ: that was the right choice. for now |
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| 13:47.50 | SkilZ | pheww |
| 13:47.52 | wols | get a simple mailserver running first. THEN you can make it more complicated |
| 13:48.05 | SkilZ | I want to skip the middle man |
| 13:48.06 | twobitsprite | !tell gnznt about siyh |
| 13:48.10 | SkilZ | so direct mail |
| 13:48.15 | SkilZ | encrypted |
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| 13:48.29 | SkilZ | 128bit encrypted mail |
| 13:48.35 | wols | what imap server are do you want to use? you cannot skip the middle man for sending or various recipient mailservers won't accept mail from you |
| 13:48.52 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:49.05 | lancelot_of | devil, another issue. As mentioned before X sometimes crashes freezing. Maybe any xserver-xorg-video-intel trouble?Is there anyway to fix? |
| 13:49.10 | SkilZ | wols: No idea what do you recommend? |
| 13:49.20 | wols | dovecot or courier |
| 13:49.30 | wols | lancelot_of: squeeze? |
| 13:49.35 | devil | lancelot_of: what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel? |
| 13:49.59 | SkilZ | ok that parts done, now what? |
| 13:50.12 | SkilZ | surely that can't be it |
| 13:50.31 | SkilZ | wols: I'll use dovecot |
| 13:50.52 | lancelot_of | wols, devil wheezy |
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| 13:51.46 | devil | lancelot_of: no probs with intel that i am aware of. but freezes can have other reasons, like a dying psu |
| 13:51.57 | lancelot_of | devil, what? |
| 13:52.20 | devil | lancelot_of: power supply unit |
| 13:52.52 | wols | devil: no |
| 13:53.07 | devil | wols: it was for me |
| 13:53.13 | wols | devil: and there are tons of problems with sandy bridge |
| 13:53.28 | wols | devil: it's a laptop... it has a battery, remember? |
| 13:53.36 | devil | wols: well, i am running sid on sandy bridge, i should have seen it |
| 13:53.51 | devil | wols: and yes, i forgot re notebook |
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| 13:54.36 | devil | but still, freezes can point to a dying psu, just not in his case |
| 13:55.24 | lancelot_of | devil, wols i've the same problem on another machine (asus eee pc 1000H) on wheezy but with kernel 2.6.38-2 (on thinkpad i run 2.6.39-2) so i guess it could be driver trouble. However how to solve? |
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| 13:55.50 | lancelot_of | apart from ACPI issue the most threaty trouble for my work is this one |
| 13:55.55 | SkilZ | 354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF> |
| 13:55.58 | SkilZ | wtf is that |
| 13:56.20 | wols | the asus and the thinkpad are very very different chips. unlikely the same driver trouble. |
| 13:56.33 | stew | SkilZ: its telling you that they way you signify the end of this email is by putting a period on a line by itself |
| 13:56.33 | wols | SkilZ: what are you doing? |
| 13:56.55 | stew | SkilZ: (and that the newline markers should be \r\n, not just \n) |
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| 13:57.05 | lancelot_of | wols, ok. What to do? |
| 13:57.11 | SkilZ | ohh |
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| 13:57.27 | SkilZ | wols: Im sending a test mail |
| 13:57.34 | wols | ,versions xserver-xorg-intel |
| 13:57.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xserver-xorg-intel' was found in i386. |
| 13:57.39 | SkilZ | wols: I telneted to localhost 25 |
| 13:57.48 | SkilZ | and sending testmail :D |
| 13:58.04 | devil | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 13:58.05 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; sid: 2:2.15.0-3; wheezy: 2:2.15.0-3 |
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| 13:58.40 | wols | devil: are you using the HD3000 as your main card? |
| 13:58.45 | devil | yes |
| 13:58.55 | devil | only one |
| 13:59.03 | hochron | when I woke up this mornig my compuer had turned itself on. It say this in /var/log/messages http://paste.pocoo.org/show/439444/ should I be paranoid? |
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| 13:59.23 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 14:00.00 | SkilZ | 21 2.7.0 Error: I can break rules, too. Goodbye. |
| 14:00.07 | devil | wols: i had only one prob with intel driver there (older version) all menues were scrambled and unreadable |
| 14:00.23 | SkilZ | wols: what else do I need to do so I can use icedove to setup my new mail |
| 14:01.05 | Nebukadneza | it looks like i have a purged half-configured package (emacs23) |
| 14:01.16 | Nebukadneza | how can i remove that package completely? |
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| 14:01.20 | colo-work | SkilZ, and MDA alone doesn#t cut it. it will not provide your mailbox to a MUA over either POP3 (discouraged) or IMAP (recommended). |
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| 14:02.18 | Nebukadneza | it seems one of the post/pre install script were broken and i couldn't configure it - neither remove it :/ |
| 14:02.49 | devil | Nebukadneza: try dpkg --purge |
| 14:02.55 | Nebukadneza | already did that ;/ |
| 14:03.21 | Nebukadneza | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?376 this is the result |
| 14:03.25 | devil | Nebukadneza: what does dpkg -l <package> say? |
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| 14:03.43 | Nebukadneza | pF |
| 14:03.54 | SkilZ | colo-work: so I need to install IMAP now? |
| 14:04.14 | SkilZ | anything else? |
| 14:04.23 | colo-work | SkilZ, you probably want dovecot, and also configure postfix to use dovecot's SASL implementation to authenticate users |
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| 14:04.28 | Nebukadneza | mh, could i just create a empty emacs-remove script and purge it then? |
| 14:04.31 | colo-work | it's all documented very well |
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| 14:05.38 | winter | o/ |
| 14:05.58 | devil | Nebukadneza: if nothing else work, you could edit the prerm script (dirty hack though) |
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| 14:06.22 | lancelot_of | wols, devil of course the mine is 2:2.15.0-3 |
| 14:06.24 | Nebukadneza | one time dirty hack is okay - i can do a clean installation afterwards |
| 14:06.26 | stew | SkilZ: are you trying to read mail on the same machine that receives the mail? (the mahcine running an MTA): |
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| 14:06.32 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 14:06.42 | Nebukadneza | touching ; chmod +xing that emacs-remove script really worked :) |
| 14:06.49 | stew | SkilZ: if so, you may not need an imap server. I'm guessing this might be the case, since you said you were telnetting to localhost on port 25 |
| 14:06.54 | Nebukadneza | yay, now got a clean working emacs install (finally again) |
| 14:07.01 | SkilZ | stew: no I want to 'say for example' send you an email and you email me back |
| 14:07.07 | Nebukadneza | thanks devil :P |
| 14:07.09 | SkilZ | like that |
| 14:07.10 | wols | stew: he wants to use squirrelmail |
| 14:07.27 | nthykier | hey, anyone knows how to run xfs_check/xfs_repair on a system that fails to boot since the root fs is corrupted? |
| 14:07.54 | wols | nthykier: you stick in a debian CD or a debian live cd and do a rescue boot |
| 14:08.22 | nthykier | wols: I got an etch installe disk, but I did not see a way to run xfs_check on the system |
| 14:08.22 | stew | squirrelmail would require an IMAP server afaik |
| 14:08.30 | wols | stew: yes it does |
| 14:08.43 | SkilZ | I installed dovecot-common, now what? |
| 14:08.51 | SkilZ | I need to edit something im quessing |
| 14:09.18 | colo-work | you want dovecot-imapd (I think the package is called like that= |
| 14:09.18 | wols | nthykier: etch can't deal with xfs (at least not with the default kernel afaik) |
| 14:09.25 | colo-work | and you need to inhale some manuals |
| 14:09.26 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for my X freezing issue? |
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| 14:09.45 | SkilZ | colo-work: no, because I can see: Starting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecot. |
| 14:09.53 | SkilZ | so it must be okay |
| 14:10.04 | wols | lancelot_of: diagnosing such a thing is very hard even when one sits on the machine. doing it over irc doesn't make it easier |
| 14:10.10 | Nebukadneza | mhhh |
| 14:10.33 | wols | SkilZ: it's only OK if the mail postfix receives ends up in dovecot. and right now this isn't the case |
| 14:10.43 | lancelot_of | devil, for ACPI issue on #ibmthinkpad say me the problem could be 3rd party proprietary modules in kernel which fedora has and debian not |
| 14:10.49 | SkilZ | wols: do how do I fix that? |
| 14:10.55 | SkilZ | do/so |
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| 14:11.01 | lancelot_of | wols, so tell me if i can do something to help you helping me ;) |
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| 14:11.24 | SkilZ | lancelot_of: read you xorg.logs |
| 14:11.27 | wols | SkilZ: you will have to configure your postfix manually in some way. http://www.postfix.org/docs.html is the first place to go |
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| 14:12.45 | Nebukadneza | now when installing some emacs mode package (e.g. js2-mode) i get this: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?377 ... which seems kind of strange |
| 14:13.00 | lancelot_of | SkilZ, no errors to be pointed out in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old |
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| 14:14.35 | devil | lancelot_of: i dont get it. someone said, you need a prop. kernel module? |
| 14:15.05 | nthykier | wols: Okay, thanks for the help - guess I will have to find myself a newer rescue disk then |
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| 14:15.59 | lancelot_of | devil, you also are on debian on thinkpad?yes someone on that channel said MAYBE that's the trick. He suggested me to try with fedora, but i won't, i don't like it |
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| 14:16.26 | devil | lancelot_of: i dont run a TP atm. |
| 14:16.54 | wols | lancelot_of: on what channel? and there are no proprietary drivers for intel videochips |
| 14:16.57 | devil | lancelot_of: did he elaborate on what module exactly? |
| 14:17.12 | devil | wols: ^this is about an acpi error |
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| 14:17.22 | devil | wols: different prob |
| 14:17.27 | lancelot_of | on channel #ibmthinkpad nick Caterpillar |
| 14:17.46 | wols | lenovo doesn't do any proprietary linux modules either |
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| 14:19.03 | lancelot_of | ok so he said a foolishness |
| 14:19.15 | devil | lancelot_of: did he name anything ? |
| 14:20.18 | lancelot_of | devil, http://paste.debian.net/122993/ |
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| 14:21.53 | bolt | For the entry "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0" in sources.list, "aptitude update" returns 255 but prints no error messages. "apt-get update" however, prints "W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/Release Unable to find expected entry iceweasel-5.0/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)". Is that normal? Seems aptituide should complain too. I corrected the entry to say |
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| 14:22.06 | SkilZ | Ok it appears I can sendmail but not recievemail |
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| 14:22.18 | SkilZ | I send a msg to gmail and I recieve it |
| 14:22.33 | devil | lancelot_of: hm, i dont really understand what he is talking about |
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| 14:22.57 | devil | lancelot_of: giving a fedora live does not hurt though |
| 14:23.18 | lancelot_of | devil, i agree, i'll submit a technical question directly to lenovo |
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| 14:23.39 | micols | any idea if it can be a bad graphics chip if a laptops renders everything correctly except mouse cursor , in both windows,linux ? mouse cursor is transparent with black lines/dots in it , tried all cursors in gnome with same result |
| 14:23.55 | lancelot_of | devil, now the most urgent issue is to solve the X trouble, i can't work if at any moment X could freeze |
| 14:23.56 | micols | it can run games,hd video without render problems, with i915 driver |
| 14:24.03 | devil | lancelot_of: if everything else works, i would neglect the error for now, it might go away with a future kernel. on the other hand, laptop-mode-tools is handy to have |
| 14:24.04 | micols | tried latest intel driver from git |
| 14:24.38 | lancelot_of | devil, i agree |
| 14:24.49 | frikinz | micols: playing with hwcursor property? |
| 14:25.07 | micols | I tried setting it to 0 and 1 yes without any luck |
| 14:25.07 | lancelot_of | devil, but not everything else works...X freezes ;9 |
| 14:25.08 | SkilZ | Icedove failed to find the settings for your email account |
| 14:25.09 | lancelot_of | ;) |
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| 14:25.34 | micols | but currently I am on a live ubuntu not sure how to edit xorg config there |
| 14:25.43 | micols | readonly boot cd |
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| 14:26.20 | devil | lancelot_of: 3.0.0 kernel is supposed to fix some intel issues, have not looked into that deeper |
| 14:26.53 | SkilZ | this is rediculous |
| 14:26.58 | SkilZ | Im giving out |
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| 14:27.11 | SkilZ | how hard is it to setup a mailserver |
| 14:27.24 | devil | it takes some reading |
| 14:27.29 | lancelot_of | devil, where do i find it?in wheezy or sid? |
| 14:27.54 | mns | depends on what you want to do SkilZ. |
| 14:27.58 | micols | frikinz: option hwcursor 0 ? |
| 14:28.00 | devil | lancelot_of: its not released yet, i think rc lives in experimental |
| 14:28.02 | SkilZ | freaking hell, learning chinese is easyer!!! |
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| 14:28.26 | piranah | SkilZ: lol its easy for the most part untill ya run into a lame ISP like mine that filters port 25 |
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| 14:28.41 | lancelot_of | devil, ok so i have to wait also for X issue..? ;) |
| 14:29.02 | devil | lancelot_of: i would not know what else to do |
| 14:29.04 | SkilZ | piranah: well I success send a mail to my gmail account |
| 14:29.08 | frikinz | micols: yes and absolutely check in your xorg log that its effective. then i'd suggest an intel channel |
| 14:29.23 | piranah | SkilZ: send is one thing recieve might be a prob |
| 14:29.39 | piranah | I can send out but can recieve. |
| 14:29.42 | piranah | *cant |
| 14:29.44 | SkilZ | but I can't setup icedove with my new email, failed to find the settings for your email account |
| 14:29.46 | lancelot_of | ok just a question: is there any good translator in debian? |
| 14:29.55 | lancelot_of | at professional level, i mean |
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| 14:30.07 | SkilZ | the server is skilz.dyndns.org |
| 14:30.16 | SkilZ | so is that gonna be the incoming and outgoing? |
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| 14:31.10 | Burns | Hello |
| 14:31.18 | Burns | I wonder why I can't connect to my SSH anymore |
| 14:31.25 | devil | lancelot_of: check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 14:31.36 | Burns | It keep just loading with no error and not showing up the login case |
| 14:31.48 | micols | frikinz: swcursor or hwcursor off is very slow |
| 14:32.00 | micols | but it will work of course, since the cpu renders the cursor instead of the gpu |
| 14:32.19 | micols | with gpu rendering (hwcursor instead of swcursor) I get render errors on it, but nowhere else |
| 14:32.36 | micols | so wondered if it could be a bad graphics chip, I asked in intel yesterday and today with no reply |
| 14:32.43 | micols | #intel-gfx |
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| 14:34.44 | twobitsprite | how would you go about migrating a dhcp server to a new system? just set up a non-authoritative replica on the new system, and cut off the old one? would that cause any dhcp clients to freak out? |
| 14:35.17 | lancelot_of | is there any good translator in debian? |
| 14:35.27 | twobitsprite | lancelot_of: translate.google.com? |
| 14:35.36 | lancelot_of | language translator at professional level |
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| 14:35.59 | twobitsprite | translate.google.com? :) |
| 14:36.06 | lancelot_of | twobitsprite, i'd need to be independent from the web..and that is not so good |
| 14:36.15 | colo-work | lancelot_of, /dev/null can translate anything to mute/complete silence perfectly. |
| 14:36.15 | Burns | I wonder why I can't connect to my SSH anymore |
| 14:36.22 | colo-work | other than that, I don't know anything |
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| 14:36.36 | colo-work | Burns, ssh -vvv should tell you what's going on |
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| 14:36.46 | twobitsprite | Burns: ping? traceroute? nmap? |
| 14:36.52 | Burns | ping works |
| 14:37.03 | Burns | server works, it just kicked me from the ssh somehow |
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| 14:37.18 | Burns | rebooting didnt solve it |
| 14:37.33 | twobitsprite | Burns: kicked? i.e., connection closed, than won't accept a new connection? |
| 14:37.41 | twobitsprite | s/than/then |
| 14:37.57 | Burns | but now it doesnt show an error twobitsprite |
| 14:38.30 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Just set up the new one and remove the old and the clients should pick up leases from the new one. Just make sure you manage the cutover and copy the leases file from the old to the new so it does not hand out duplicates. |
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| 14:39.00 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: it's the "manage the cutover" part I'm not sure on... what do you mean by that? |
| 14:39.59 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Aside from the leases you don't want them both handing out the same IP range without coordinating between them or you could get two boxes with the same IP. Easiest if you are using the same IP range is to turn the old off before starting the new. |
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| 14:40.15 | lancelot_of | ok i must go |
| 14:40.29 | lancelot_of | devil, wols thanks a lot for your supoprt |
| 14:40.31 | lancelot_of | support |
| 14:40.31 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Copying the lease file coordinates so the new does not hand out leases that the old already assigned. |
| 14:40.45 | lancelot_of | and thanks to everybody on the channel |
| 14:40.47 | lancelot_of | see you |
| 14:41.04 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: right, that's why I was thinking you would set up the new one as non-authoritative, then copy the leases and stop the old one, then make the new one authoritative... or am I overcomplicating it? |
| 14:41.07 | SkilZ | is there some kind of web interface gui to setup system things like mail and monitor shit |
| 14:41.12 | SkilZ | webmin I thought |
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| 14:41.28 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: There's no "authoratative" with dhcp. |
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| 14:42.11 | twobitsprite | karlpinc_: then why is there an "authoritative" line in my dhcpd.conf? |
| 14:42.29 | twobitsprite | # If this DHCP server is the official DHCP server for the local |
| 14:42.29 | twobitsprite | # network, the authoritative directive should be uncommented. |
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| 14:42.39 | Burns | colo-work didnt get anything useful |
| 14:42.53 | Burns | http://pastebin.com/GFYznQFN |
| 14:43.46 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: Maybe I'm ignorant. There does need to be some way to coordinate when there's multiple dhcp servers. It's been ages since I read the rfcs. I'd just make sure the new one works, plug it in via crossover cable to some box that needs dhcp, and the turn the old off and the new on. |
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| 14:44.16 | SkilZ | webmin!?!? |
| 14:44.24 | karlpinc_ | !webmin |
| 14:44.25 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 14:45.47 | micols | http://www.rlogin.dk/cursor/out/IMG_2335_out.JPG anybody seen such cursor render artifacts with i915 driver before, tired both debian squeeze + newest from git? |
| 14:45.49 | karlpinc_ | twobitsprite: That's easier than figuring out the right way to run multiple dhcp servers at once. |
| 14:46.06 | frikinz | Burns: very old ssh, probably insecure even |
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| 14:47.01 | piranah | !free whcp |
| 14:47.02 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 14:47.03 | Burns | huh |
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| 14:47.13 | Burns | but I can't do anything if I can't connect to the ssh |
| 14:47.36 | Bushmills | SkilZ: there are interactive graphical frontends to set up such things. they are called "text editors", and exist in console flavour too |
| 14:47.37 | SkilZ | !free whcp |
| 14:47.37 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 14:47.55 | SkilZ | Bushmills: that's so 70's |
| 14:48.18 | Bushmills | that's your opinion |
| 14:48.51 | SkilZ | Is it safe to install webmin, do what I have to then remove it? |
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| 14:49.03 | colo-work | Burns, well, increasing verbosity only will yield you anything if you tell the client to actually try to connect to the host that seems down, of course :) |
| 14:49.07 | Bushmills | it may be save to install it. but it isn't to run it :) |
| 14:49.22 | SkilZ | why? |
| 14:49.23 | xindz | SkilZ why do you need Webmin ? |
| 14:49.40 | Bushmills | caveman interface. click on pretty pictures and grunt. |
| 14:49.40 | frikinz | Burns: you can still upgrade your ssh client |
| 14:49.58 | SkilZ | Because I have a 3 month old baby and don't have hours to read and edit text files to get my mailserver working :) |
| 14:50.08 | Burns | how friese |
| 14:50.10 | Burns | frikinz |
| 14:50.19 | SkilZ | ? |
| 14:50.29 | mns | SkilZ: webmin has not been available since after sarge. |
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| 14:51.00 | mns | webmin was dropped post-sarge it said. |
| 14:51.04 | mns | !webmin |
| 14:51.04 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 14:51.13 | SkilZ | you see, I can send mail from my box but can't recive mail |
| 14:51.18 | Bushmills | SkilZ: a graphical configuration frontend doesn't remove the need to know what you set up |
| 14:51.35 | mns | SkilZ: even with webmin you'll get the same result. |
| 14:51.40 | karlpinc_ | SkilZ: Do you have dns configured to deliver mail to the box? |
| 14:51.45 | Bushmills | servers, especially mail server, need some expertise to configure. no GUI can replace that |
| 14:51.56 | SkilZ | karlpinc_: no idea, how do I know? |
| 14:51.58 | SkilZ | actually |
| 14:52.01 | SkilZ | lolz |
| 14:52.13 | SkilZ | I forgot to allow port 25 on my router |
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| 14:52.54 | SkilZ | karlpinc_: But still when im editing icedove with my new account, it fails to fint the incoming / outgoing servers |
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| 14:53.24 | mns | SkilZ: do you have IMAP setup ? or just a mailserver ? |
| 14:54.30 | exeter | I'm sorry to bother you with a naive Q, but I could buy a second hand Toshiba AC100 soon. Is that debian friendly? |
| 14:54.42 | frikinz | Burns: you're still running debian 5 right? So change your sources.list to point to old-stable if you wish and aptitude update; aptitude upgrade and at least upgrade openssh-client and openssl to latest. But I'm not the person to ask for upgrades, I manage mine, but not always others :) |
| 14:54.43 | SkilZ | I just installed postfix and dovecot-common |
| 14:54.44 | pipeline | exeter: nearly all laptops are debian friendly |
| 14:54.51 | SkilZ | mns: I just installed postfix and dovecot-common |
| 14:54.53 | twobitsprite | SkilZ: if you don't have time to read documentation, then you don't have time to setup a mail server. Mail is complicated, there's no way around that |
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| 14:54.59 | Bushmills | SkilZ: your "no idea" and "i forgot" may be a good case against GUIs :) |
| 14:55.01 | pipeline | exeter: if you google "toshiba ac100 linux" and see anything other than screaming "OMG IT DOESN'T EVEN BOOT" then it's probably fine |
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| 14:55.29 | frikinz | Burns: it could be that the remote ssh is blocking you because of the version |
| 14:55.33 | thinksteve | Isn't that one Arm based? |
| 14:55.36 | exeter | pipeline: google test is passed then, even though I'm quite a noob. |
| 14:55.40 | karlpinc_ | exeter: Check out linuxlaptops.org. It might say. (If it runs a generic linux it'll run debian.) |
| 14:55.43 | mns | SkilZ: you also need dovecot-imapd |
| 14:55.50 | exeter | thanks karlpinc_ |
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| 14:56.01 | twobitsprite | exeter: find your computer here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 14:56.18 | SkilZ | mns: okay, then it 'should' work? |
| 14:56.22 | SkilZ | fingures x'd |
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| 14:56.52 | SkilZ | mns: I installed that package, now what? |
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| 14:57.50 | mns | there are plenty of debian+postfix+dovecot based setup guides. there's a few on debian-administration .. that's how I did it. took about an hour at most. |
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| 14:58.52 | SkilZ | mns: link plz? |
| 14:58.53 | mns | you'll need to get the configuration for it setup, and if you want ssl/tls support you'll need the certificates for dovecot. |
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| 14:59.02 | TheRedOctober | Greetings all. I haven't found freenx in any (of the main free/nonfree repositories) for squeeze. is there something else I should use for slow network x over ssh? |
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| 14:59.20 | SkilZ | mns: can I pm you plz? |
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| 15:00.43 | Burns | ok lets update openssh |
| 15:00.55 | Burns | I'm still on Deb 5 |
| 15:01.04 | SkilZ | reboot or be root? |
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| 15:01.44 | mns | SkilZ: google "debian postfix dovecot imap ssl" it should be one of the first 2-3 ones. that's how I'd done it. even if they refer to slighlty older releases, they're still good guides. |
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| 15:02.32 | SkilZ | mns: Okay thanks. |
| 15:03.02 | nthykier | wols: Thanks, I managed to get the system up and running; now I just have to figure out why my network interface suddenly disappeared |
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| 15:04.00 | joe6 | i asked this on #linux, but did not get much info |
| 15:04.03 | joe6 | any recommendations for a good plotting program? i have tried gnuplot, but it does not allow multiple x-axes. frtplot is still rough around the edges. Any other alternatives, please? |
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| 15:05.24 | jiawei | may i know the sda_intel_hda modules? |
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| 15:08.41 | nkuttler | joe6: gri |
| 15:10.23 | joe6 | nkuttler: will check it out. |
| 15:10.24 | joe6 | thanks. |
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| 15:12.30 | Burns | Can you give me the debian 5 correct source.list please ? |
| 15:13.10 | twobitsprite | hmm... if I found a bug with bash autocompletion configuration (i.e., it doesn't complete something as expected) what package would I file the bug against? |
| 15:13.14 | rudi_s | Burns: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 15:13.23 | jelly | dpkg: tell Burns about lenny sources.list |
| 15:13.23 | rudi_s | *sources.list |
| 15:13.31 | rudi_s | Oh, 5, sorry. |
| 15:13.39 | jelly | rudi_s: that's not complete anyway |
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| 15:14.00 | rudi_s | jelly: True, security missing. |
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| 15:14.44 | Burns | thanks |
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| 15:16.56 | twobitsprite | guess I'll just file against bash and they can reassign if it's the wrong place |
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| 15:18.41 | BlackFate | hello!. some times when i use "mysqldump --all-databases -ppass | bzip2 -c > databasebackup.sql.bz2" my whole server crashes... no logs no nothing |
| 15:19.27 | twobitsprite | BlackFate: what about if you just run bzip, or just run mysqldump? |
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| 15:22.06 | Burns | openssh-server 1:5.1p1-5, is the latest version on debian 5 ? |
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| 15:23.20 | jelly | ,versions openssh-server |
| 15:23.21 | judd | Package openssh-server on i386 -- lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6; wheezy: 1:5.5p1-6; sid: 1:5.8p1-4 |
| 15:23.29 | jelly | Burns: it appears so |
| 15:23.54 | Burns | Then there is no updates needed for the SSH |
| 15:24.03 | Burns | So what do you suggest, reinstalling ssh ? |
| 15:24.14 | nthykier | anyone who knows what I should be looking for if I only got a loop back interface and I used to have a eth0 before - the only thing that happened since the last "working reboot" was a corrected file system that appears to be fixed. |
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| 15:25.23 | wols | i |
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| 15:25.42 | wols | nthykier: ifconfig -a |
| 15:25.44 | skilz | In /etc/postfix/main.cf there is a line relayhost = whats that for? |
| 15:25.45 | BlackFate | twobitsprite, it seem like bzip2 freezes it |
| 15:25.47 | jelly | Burns: investigate network issues, firewall issues, and ssh daemon issues, approximately in that order |
| 15:25.53 | nthykier | wols: only reports my lo device |
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| 15:26.30 | wols | skilz: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relayhost |
| 15:26.31 | nthykier | I did not see any related errors in dmesg |
| 15:26.49 | wols | nthykier: then check your dmesg output for anything related to your ethernet device |
| 15:26.59 | wols | nthykier: what chipset is your ethernet? |
| 15:27.07 | lduros | Hi, I'm interested in Debian: What would be the reason to choose Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 15:27.15 | wols | !tell lduros about why debian |
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| 15:27.28 | lduros | wols: thanks |
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| 15:28.41 | nthykier | wols: not sure; I am the luck that I do not have lspci either on the system atm - the etch rescue suggested I had a FireWire card |
| 15:28.44 | twobitsprite | BlackFate: what version debian are you running? |
| 15:28.59 | BlackFate | twobitsprite, stable |
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| 15:30.21 | wols | nthykier: cat /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 15:30.50 | twobitsprite | BlackFate: did you check the bug database? doesn't crash my stable system, but it might be something specific to your setup |
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| 15:31.45 | wols | BlackFate: heat issues? does a normal run of bzip for archival purposes crash your system? |
| 15:32.00 | BlackFate | wols, ill try stress |
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| 15:32.19 | nthykier | wols: I do not see anything containing ether in it... even with lspci (installed via snickers net) |
| 15:33.04 | BlackFate | wols, nope.. stress doesnt freeze my system |
| 15:33.34 | wols | nthykier: pastebin your lspci -nn output please |
| 15:34.00 | wols | and the /proc/bus/pci/devices file would only list pci device ids, no "ethernet" |
| 15:34.46 | twobitsprite | BlackFate: if you try to bzip a file from the commandline instead of on a pipe does it freeze? |
| 15:34.59 | BlackFate | twobitsprite, i did.. still freezes |
| 15:35.13 | BlackFate | ah moment |
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| 15:36.20 | nthykier | wols: did you mean lscpi -vv ? |
| 15:37.09 | wols | no I did not |
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| 15:37.54 | BlackFate | twobitsprite, yeap.. freezes even without pipe |
| 15:38.04 | BlackFate | twobitsprite, gzip works fine.. but bzip freezes |
| 15:39.01 | twobitsprite | BlackFate: are all the packages on your system standard debian packages, or are you running any kind of custom kernel or bzip or anything? |
| 15:39.29 | wols | !debsums |
| 15:39.29 | dpkg | [debsums] a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files. |
| 15:39.38 | BlackFate | twobitsprite, yes.. they are all stanrdard debian.. |
| 15:39.43 | nthykier | wols: http://paste.debian.net/123001/ |
| 15:39.56 | twobitsprite | BlackFate: also, strace the bzip command and see if you can gleen anything from that (or pastebin the output) |
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| 15:41.35 | BlackFate | twobitsprite, normal read when freezes with strace.. no errors |
| 15:41.40 | wols | nthykier: check your BIOS if ethernet isn't disabled. if it's not it looks like it's dead. when something is not in the PCI space, linux cannot load a driver for it... |
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| 15:42.55 | shantorn | does anyone have info on how to enable hdmi audio in wheezy? |
| 15:43.50 | twobitsprite | BlackFate: hmm... starting to run out of ideas.... try with a smaller file maybe? You might have to file a bug report, so the more info we can gather the better |
| 15:44.13 | BlackFate | twisted, it's only 6 mb |
| 15:44.18 | BlackFate | soz |
| 15:44.19 | BlackFate | 40 |
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| 15:44.54 | twobitsprite | just for sanity, try with a text file with 1 line or something |
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| 15:45.18 | wols | BlackFate: have you run debsums against it? |
| 15:45.24 | orangey | hello all |
| 15:45.29 | orangey | has anybody tried horde 4? |
| 15:45.38 | orangey | is it worth going through the dependency hell to get it going? |
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| 15:46.17 | BlackFate | wols, debsums for bzip reports ok |
| 15:46.21 | abrotman | orangey: FWIW, have you tried roundcube? |
| 15:46.30 | Horstmann | Hi, i have a open wifi, but due to sues in germany i don't want to take responsebility. I want to route all traffic to tor and my traffic directly to the gateway. 1) How do i authenticate? 2) how i encrypt my private traffic? |
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| 15:46.40 | orangey | abrotman: no. is it better, in your opinion? |
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| 15:47.18 | abrotman | orangey: better than horde3/imp4 .. for general use, by a lot IMO |
| 15:47.43 | wols | Horstmann: how is this a debian related question? |
| 15:47.58 | abrotman | orangey: that said, i haven't even looked at horde4 |
| 15:48.07 | orangey | abrotman: well, horde 4 makes amazing strides on the mobile side |
| 15:48.14 | orangey | also, I use horde as my funambol server |
| 15:48.24 | orangey | rather, syncml server |
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| 15:48.44 | Horstmann | wols: i'm running debian, i know it's offtopic. But I don't know where to ask elsewhere |
| 15:48.44 | twobitsprite | Horstmann: tor is a socks proxy, so anything that supports socks should be able to use tor |
| 15:48.46 | abrotman | orangey: i've used horde3 and roundcube from my android phone, neither were pleasant, but both usable (mimp isn't very useful0 |
| 15:48.57 | twobitsprite | wols: tor is in debian... |
| 15:49.03 | orangey | abrotman: check out horde4's mobile interface. |
| 15:49.08 | abrotman | orangey: i'm peeking |
| 15:49.18 | orangey | abrotman: not that it matters. I use my native n900's interface (Modest), which is "good enough" |
| 15:49.26 | wols | Horstmann: #networking |
| 15:49.50 | wols | twobitsprite: that doesn't make it a debian problem to ask about how to route his APs, routers and switches around |
| 15:49.54 | orangey | abrotman: as I search around, looks like the syncml is going to be a nogo on roundcube |
| 15:50.00 | orangey | absolutely everything else is superior, though |
| 15:50.17 | abrotman | didn't use syncml |
| 15:50.20 | twobitsprite | Horstmann: do you mean have your router/AP do the tor stuff, or just on your debian system? |
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| 15:51.44 | abrotman | orangey: is that a mobile app, or the way it looks in the mobile browsers? |
| 15:51.57 | orangey | abrotman: the way it looks in mobile browsers from my read |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 15:52.11 | orangey | abrotman: pretty standard with lots of these mobile sites nowadays |
| 15:52.23 | abrotman | orangey: it looks shiny .. way better than Imp3 |
| 15:52.24 | orangey | abrotman: your question is a good indicator they probably got it mostly right |
| 15:52.24 | abrotman | imp4 |
| 15:52.38 | abrotman | i think |
| 15:52.43 | orangey | sounds like I should try to do the horde4.. |
| 15:53.24 | abrotman | orangey: what is the syncml for ? |
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| 15:53.57 | orangey | abrotman: I sync the contacts / calendar / memos from my N900 (syncevolution), thunderbird (laptop) and evolution (desktop) |
| 15:54.02 | abrotman | ah okay .. |
| 15:54.16 | orangey | and since I won't do google, that really only leaves syncml |
| 15:54.30 | orangey | the other advantage is that by going through horde, I can access those things from the webmail too |
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| 15:54.42 | abrotman | orangey: well, then ... off you go! |
| 15:54.49 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 15:55.09 | orangey | abrotman: *sigh*. Every distribution, I make a little punch card where I'm allowed to install 5 packages that are not in the deb repository |
| 15:55.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:55.38 | nthykier | wols: okay - thanks for the help, unfortunately it looks like I got a dead device then |
| 15:55.46 | wols | orangey: why do you expect it to be dependency hell? |
| 15:55.47 | orangey | seriously. More than that, and I find myself riveted to the idea of self-immolation |
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| 15:55.55 | wols | nthykier: try another OS? maybe windows PE? |
| 15:55.58 | orangey | wols: My prelim reads say so. |
| 15:56.00 | nthykier | has a hard time believing that ethernet is disabled with the "default settings" in BIOS |
| 15:56.02 | abrotman | orangey: the stuff in squeeze won't work ? |
| 15:56.02 | orangey | wols: Something about Pear |
| 15:56.09 | wols | orangey: can you link please? |
| 15:56.20 | nthykier | wols: I do not have another OS; except perhaps Ubuntu |
| 15:56.26 | abrotman | orangey: wols http://www.horde.org/apps/horde/docs/INSTALL |
| 15:56.43 | Horstmann | twobitsprite: My router is my debian in this case. I'd set up a tor and use iptables for routing. But how to have a "normal" internet for me? |
| 15:57.28 | wols | orangey: doesn't sound too bad. tho I wouldn't use /var/www/horde for the directory it resides in |
| 15:57.40 | orangey | wols: OK. but how come? |
| 15:57.51 | wols | Horstmann: and the AP is? |
| 15:57.53 | orangey | I usually use a custom dir for my web stuff and link into that dir from /var/www/ where packages do what I need |
| 15:58.11 | wols | orangey: same here. and it's what debian itself does too basically |
| 15:58.33 | orangey | aha. |
| 15:58.48 | wols | I'd pack horde into /usr/local/ somewhere |
| 15:58.52 | orangey | I'm also searching for some best practices pages on security and so on. |
| 15:59.01 | skilz | anyone know an image viewer where I can press < or > to go back and forth through images |
| 15:59.07 | orangey | it's been about 5 years since I last seriously messed around with this server, so I want to try to do it right. |
| 15:59.22 | orangey | any must-read pages that may not come up on the first page of a search engine? |
| 15:59.26 | wols | orangey: then I hope it doesn't run a debian from 5 years ago :) |
| 15:59.36 | orangey | wols: I've been upgrading the dists |
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| 16:00.11 | orangey | though I am willing to admit that maybe this old one is running lenny |
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| 16:00.40 | wols | orangey: what imap server do you use? |
| 16:00.49 | skilz | Image viewer? |
| 16:01.05 | wols | I'd upgrade to squeeze first before trying horde. just mho |
| 16:01.27 | orangey | wols: dovecot I believe |
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| 16:03.05 | wols | orangey: ingo from horde looks very good... I'm tempted to get it for this alone |
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| 16:04.14 | orangey | wols: I never took to frontends, and still do manual procmail |
| 16:04.17 | frikinz | Does anyone know an editor that would allow viewing big files (like several gigs) better than vi? |
| 16:04.19 | orangey | but obviously that's silly |
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| 16:05.03 | orangey | what do y'all do about email accounts vs. login accounts? |
| 16:05.06 | treaki | nobody knows... ;( i will go off, bye |
| 16:05.17 | abrotman | knows? |
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| 16:05.31 | hwq001 | frikinz: Geany |
| 16:05.44 | orangey | e.g., should I have /bin/false for my email account (which I'm more likely to put into other computers) and a different account for my login? |
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| 16:06.32 | wols | with proper imap servers your imap account doesn't need to be the system account if you don't want to |
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| 16:06.40 | wols | I'm sure dovecot can use virtual accounts |
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| 16:11.16 | frikinz | hwq001: thanks.currently it cannot open it, cannot allocate 2G to open file. Let's see a bit the doc |
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| 16:12.53 | orangey | wols: interesting. Thank you for the hint |
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| 16:13.49 | JyZyXEL | is there a way to see inside a .deb? |
| 16:14.01 | karlpinc_ | orangey: Many people use ldap for their email (imap) authentication. Others use other databases. Nothing wrong with using a unix account, unless you don't want a unix account. |
| 16:14.02 | sc30317 | JyZyXEL, it is a binary file |
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| 16:14.04 | sc30317 | so no |
| 16:14.13 | sc30317 | (its like an exe for windows) |
| 16:14.14 | karlpinc_ | JyZyXEL: It'a an ar file iirc. Use ar. |
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| 16:14.39 | xk | see inside? use mc. |
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| 16:15.09 | frikinz | hwq001: I closed firefox.. now it opens it but shows blank. I probably need just more ram. |
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| 16:15.21 | orangey | also while I"m at it, I've found mailman lagging in the last 5 years |
| 16:15.37 | JyZyXEL | how do you take a file from inside it? |
| 16:15.38 | d1b | "works for me" |
| 16:15.43 | orangey | any suggested replacements that might give a nice mailing list manager, with perhaps easy web site integration? |
| 16:16.02 | JyZyXEL | oh yeah i can prolly use mc copy |
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| 16:19.04 | negge | anyone know why Iceweasel 5.0 is no longer available from the mozilla.debian.net repository? |
| 16:19.36 | negge | some guy on a forum said "Iceweasel 5 is in the Aptosid repos now, we maintain it there until it will migrate into Debian Sid" but I totally don't see the point in doing that |
| 16:19.43 | stew | negge: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
| 16:20.34 | negge | stew: very nice, thank you! |
| 16:21.00 | skilz | Why is is iceweasel now and not firefox? |
| 16:21.08 | stew | skilz: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
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| 16:21.11 | negge | they could have put a link to that post on mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:21.27 | negge | skilz: it's been that way for I don't know how long |
| 16:21.34 | skilz | I remember firebird |
| 16:21.59 | skilz | negge: only for about 9 years or so |
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| 16:22.20 | negge | skilz: and you thought to ask why only after 9 years of wondering? :) |
| 16:22.23 | stew | negge: send email to mh@glandium.org about adding a link |
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| 16:22.49 | skilz | So iceweasel is mozilla software just with a different name and images? |
| 16:22.51 | negge | stew: I'll do that |
| 16:22.53 | stew | negge: its only been 4 years |
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| 16:23.04 | skilz | negge: because I haven't used debian for 9 years |
| 16:23.05 | negge | okay |
| 16:23.10 | negge | I see |
| 16:23.17 | skilz | :) |
| 16:23.38 | stew | skilz: yes, it is firefox with minimal changes ; likewise for icedove being thunderbird, iceape being seamonkey, etc |
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| 16:24.09 | ajikeshi_ | btw... does anybody know when firefox4 will be "ported" to debian? |
| 16:24.21 | ajikeshi_ | ps: wheezy |
| 16:24.38 | stew | ajikeshi_: many months ago, but since removed since it is no lnoger supported upstream and 5.0 and 6.0 have been made available |
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| 16:24.56 | negge | stew: unfortunately the icedove packages seem to be completely gone from the repository |
| 16:25.07 | stew | judd: versions icedove |
| 16:25.08 | judd | Package icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 3.1.11-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.1.11-1; wheezy: 3.1.11-1 |
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| 16:25.15 | jhutchins_lt | ajikeshi_: firefox is on 7 now, I'm running iceweasel 5 from http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:25.16 | stew | negge: doesn't appear so |
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| 16:25.27 | abrotman | negge: which architecture? |
| 16:25.27 | ajikeshi_ | O_o |
| 16:25.31 | ajikeshi_ | 7??? |
| 16:25.39 | abrotman | ajikeshi_: i think your keyboard is broken |
| 16:25.42 | negge | abrotman: x86-64 |
| 16:25.49 | negge | http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/ |
| 16:25.50 | abrotman | negge: squeeze? sid ? |
| 16:25.50 | stew | judd: versions icedove --arch amd64 |
| 16:25.53 | judd | Package icedove on amd64 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 3.1.11-1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.1.11-1; wheezy: 3.1.11-1 |
| 16:26.00 | ajikeshi_ | abrotman, probably :D |
| 16:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | ajikeshi_: Yeah, but that was a few days ago. They're trying to version-up to chrome. |
| 16:26.06 | abrotman | negge: what does that have to do with icedove? that link is for iceweasel |
| 16:26.08 | negge | abrotman: I'm talking about the mozilla.debian.net repository |
| 16:26.11 | stew | negge: ^^^ see judd, it should be available |
| 16:26.21 | d1b | just compile your own firefox |
| 16:26.23 | abrotman | negge: AFAIK, the icedove packages were never in there |
| 16:26.26 | abrotman | d1b: stop |
| 16:26.30 | negge | abrotman: yes they were |
| 16:26.31 | stew | d1b: why would you bother to do that? |
| 16:26.38 | d1b | stew: why not ;) |
| 16:26.41 | negge | they even have nice JS on their site that gives you the correct apt line |
| 16:26.45 | abrotman | d1b: why would you? that's silly |
| 16:27.02 | d1b | abrotman: becauese i like doing it, it gives my 6 core ssystem a workout |
| 16:27.03 | stew | d1b: because you end up worse off than using the debian packages, and waste some time and effort for the trouble |
| 16:27.08 | negge | abrotman: because I want 3.1 (would like to have 5.0) and only 3.0 is in Squeeze |
| 16:27.09 | d1b | stew: not true |
| 16:27.12 | abrotman | d1b: that's just dum |
| 16:27.13 | abrotman | dumb |
| 16:27.17 | skilz | Seems stupid if you ask me, Mozilla stop 100's of thousands of users using their software just because of images |
| 16:27.17 | stew | d1b: which part? |
| 16:27.21 | d1b | i compile with gcc hardening options, debian is _way_ outdated |
| 16:27.26 | d1b | sorry guys |
| 16:27.29 | abrotman | negge: you can get it from sid if you want to backport it yourself |
| 16:27.34 | d1b | i don't want to get pwned by iceweasel being out of date |
| 16:27.40 | stew | ? |
| 16:27.40 | abrotman | stew: i think we've been trolled |
| 16:27.42 | jhutchins_lt | d1b: I'm running iceweasel 5 on squeeze. |
| 16:27.48 | negge | abrotman: I have 3.1 installed right now, I'm just waiting for them to package 5.0 |
| 16:28.09 | negge | I only noticed that all icedove packages were gone when I did an apt-get update and got an error |
| 16:28.12 | d1b | abrotman: no no your not, i just prefer to compile my own, courses for horses |
| 16:28.31 | abrotman | negge: i haven't seen any plans .. not saying they don't exist .. |
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| 16:28.35 | abrotman | d1b: go play somewhere else |
| 16:29.00 | abrotman | negge: 5.0 *just* came out |
| 16:29.15 | stew | i'd think that keeping iceweasel up to date would be easier doing "apt-get upgrade" then by downloading and compiling yourself all the time |
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| 16:29.34 | negge | abrotman: I know, that's why I'm waiting |
| 16:29.39 | abrotman | negge: is there useful changelog somewhere, or are they just playing the numbers game like they are with FF ? |
| 16:29.45 | tziku | I have 20 ip addresses on my debian machine. How can i set a process to use a specific ip address ? |
| 16:29.47 | negge | abrotman: same crap as with FF |
| 16:29.50 | d1b | stew: i agree, it would be easier and i would love to be able to do that, but i can't. because stable is out of date and testing / sid don't compile how i like it |
| 16:29.52 | abrotman | bleh |
| 16:30.11 | negge | only tried it out on W7 so far, they have done some decent UI changes and the addon manager has been ported from FF4 |
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| 16:30.29 | stew | d1b: uh, iceweasel in stable is only 11 days old |
| 16:30.42 | tziku | how can i set a process to listen and connect from a specified ip address ? |
| 16:30.43 | daemonkeeper | tziku: IP routing does not work this way, sorry. |
| 16:30.45 | abrotman | negge: on a side note .. boo for dropping OSX on PPC |
| 16:30.55 | d1b | stew: yes the debian devs got faster! (it used to have a massive lag time) |
| 16:31.19 | abrotman | stew: i think you're clearly outmatched here ... |
| 16:31.36 | d1b | i am being serious abrotman |
| 16:32.00 | d1b | and this is not #debian so no more of this |
| 16:32.07 | abrotman | it's not? |
| 16:32.23 | d1b | s/not/not for/ |
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| 16:33.14 | daemonkeeper | tziku: Listening, i.e. destination packets can be threatened that way. Your daemon should have a setting where it allows to specify the listening address. |
| 16:33.15 | skilz | RISC |
| 16:33.32 | BlackFate | So, my problem is: bzip2 hangs my system with a 40 mb file. works for small ones. Temps in not the issue. tested it with stress. Gzip works fine. All packages are from the main debian repo. debsums report ok. bzip2 -vvv shows nothing. just hangs after 1-2 secs.Same for strace, Htop reports non mem increase when hangs |
| 16:33.58 | skilz | I miss my old G3 with RISC Arch |
| 16:34.36 | negge | it seems like icedove 3.1 has been moved to backports.debian.org |
| 16:34.43 | abrotman | BlackFate: tried a different 40MB file ? |
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| 16:34.44 | negge | no wonder it couldn't be found in the other repo |
| 16:35.00 | BlackFate | abrotman, i recreated it... it was a mysql dump |
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| 16:35.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | still wants to know if he's tried with a different 40MB file |
| 16:35.30 | BlackFate | ok let me check |
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| 16:38.04 | BlackFate | abrotman, i tested it with an 60 mb.dd if=/dev/urandom of=60mb bs=1000 count=60000 and it worked |
| 16:38.25 | abrotman | so it's the datablock you're trying to backup ? |
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| 16:39.03 | BlackFate | mysqldump --all-databases -ppass > backupfile.sql |
| 16:39.03 | valdyn | BlackFate: which filesystem is that hanging file on? |
| 16:39.04 | BlackFate | this one |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | this one .. cute ... |
| 16:39.23 | BlackFate | valdyn, ext3 |
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| 16:39.50 | valdyn | BlackFate: "hang" means you cant even ctrl-alt-f2 ? |
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| 16:40.15 | negge | on the topic of Iceweasel, does anyone have the problem where out of a sudden you can no longer move the mouse pointer over a menu? For example if you right-click on a link you can't click "open in new tab" because the menu disappears? A restart fixes it but it's annoying |
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| 16:40.23 | BlackFate | valdyn, its a remote machine... server dies... ssh session freezes. cant connect to anything. websites freeze.. |
| 16:41.05 | valdyn | BlackFate: if all that stuff relies on that same filesystem, that makes sense |
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| 16:41.40 | valdyn | BlackFate: can you just read the .sql file and it hangs too ? |
| 16:42.21 | BlackFate | valdyn, just cat works fine |
| 16:42.42 | abrotman | BlackFate: can you | zip ? |
| 16:42.47 | frikinz | negge: ff in squeeze ie 3.5.16? |
| 16:42.53 | abrotman | BlackFate: is this using gzip or zip ? |
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| 16:42.58 | abrotman | frikinz: packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 16:43.06 | negge | frikinz: no, version 5.0 from the mozilla repo |
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| 16:43.11 | BlackFate | abrotman, gzip works fine |
| 16:43.12 | valdyn | BlackFate: i dont know if or how you can make it write a new file to a difference spot |
| 16:43.24 | valdyn | hmm |
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| 16:43.28 | abrotman | frikinz: misread, ignore me |
| 16:43.37 | valdyn | makes no sense |
| 16:43.38 | frikinz | abrotman: ok :) |
| 16:43.58 | orangey | hmm. |
| 16:44.01 | orangey | dependency hell is here. |
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| 16:44.08 | orangey | where do I find php5-openssl and php5-hash ? |
| 16:44.15 | orangey | they don't seem to be in any reasonable repository |
| 16:44.27 | BlackFate | i even moved the file to a new system with same packages and debian version. and it worked with bzip2 |
| 16:44.33 | BlackFate | to the new system |
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| 16:44.43 | valdyn | BlackFate: thats expected |
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| 16:44.53 | valdyn | BlackFate: bzip2 that file to a different directory |
| 16:45.03 | frikinz | negge: ah i don't have this pb on the stable one. and from the repo I have version 8, pretty good actually. you're late ;) I'm probably too, maybe they've done version 42 by now |
| 16:45.12 | thunder1212 | hi, i am planning to buy ncomputing's x550 series desktop virtualization kit. is it ok ? |
| 16:45.36 | negge | frikinz: hehe |
| 16:45.59 | negge | thunder1212: I think you're asking in the wrong channel |
| 16:45.59 | valdyn | thunder1212: maybe we could learn about it if you gave us some more information, or are we expected to know just that package? |
| 16:46.37 | BlackFate | valdyn, still hangs |
| 16:46.53 | valdyn | BlackFate: yea, i kind of expected that |
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| 16:47.18 | BlackFate | its a software raid 1. smartctl reports clean on both disks |
| 16:47.22 | valdyn | BlackFate: if gzip or whatever works and you leave the gzipped file in place, can you bzip2 then? |
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| 16:48.01 | stew | orangey: php5 already includes ssl support, you dont' need a separate package. I don't know what -hash is, but perhaps it is the same |
| 16:48.11 | plmb33 | yo, I just opened a pdf document using epdfview. In the viewer, everything looked normal. But when I printed it out on paper a lot of formatting has been messed up and a lot of text is unreadable because it looks like there are several layers of text on the same space (I don't know how else to describe it, I hope you know what I mean and what the problem is?) ? |
| 16:48.12 | BlackFate | valdyn, bzip the gzipped one? |
| 16:48.21 | orangey | stew: they are called for in some of the unofficial horde4 packages |
| 16:48.26 | valdyn | BlackFate: you can create a copy.. |
| 16:48.42 | stew | orangey: i don't know. perhaps they are not for debian |
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| 16:49.15 | valdyn | BlackFate: or you can just bzip2 a copy |
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| 16:49.47 | BlackFate | valdyn, i recreated the file several times with different file names |
| 16:49.50 | BlackFate | still hanged |
| 16:49.55 | thunder1212 | valdyn: http://www.ncomputing.com/product-useries plz check this link |
| 16:50.06 | valdyn | BlackFate: i dont want recreation, i want you to bzip2 a copy |
| 16:50.28 | valdyn | BlackFate: or i want a guarantee that the source data for the bzip2 is at a different physical spot |
| 16:51.00 | BlackFate | cp databasebackup.sql /var/new.sql |
| 16:51.01 | BlackFate | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.10 | valdyn | BlackFate: yea |
| 16:51.17 | thunder1212 | valdyn: http://www.ncomputing.com/product-xseries, kindly check this link also this is what i am planning to buy.. |
| 16:51.26 | BlackFate | hanged |
| 16:53.17 | valdyn | BlackFate: ok, lets assume that you have just the file to hang bzip2 |
| 16:53.37 | valdyn | BlackFate: append one character or at the front of that file -> it shouldnt hang |
| 16:53.58 | BlackFate | but it never ends.. so i dont think appending would work.. |
| 16:53.59 | valdyn | BlackFate: this is very odd though |
| 16:54.11 | valdyn | BlackFate: not append, prepend i mean |
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| 16:54.45 | valdyn | BlackFate: echo 1 > test.sql;cat new.sql >> test.sql |
| 16:54.46 | BlackFate | valdyn, i think it occured once 2-3 days ago.. the db changed since then |
| 16:55.32 | BlackFate | valdyn, i also saw.. it hangs around.. 360k of bzip2 file |
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| 16:55.53 | valdyn | BlackFate: so youre saying that you cant bzip2 various .sql files but you can bzip2 everything else you tried.. |
| 16:56.13 | BlackFate | valdyn, i tried dd created files |
| 16:56.20 | BlackFate | and it worked |
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| 16:57.09 | valdyn | this is almost like that guy who couldnt send email more than 500 *miles* |
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| 16:58.02 | BlackFate | valdyn, i have numerous servers. It's as strange to me as to you too |
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| 16:58.33 | BlackFate | i use no external sources... i always go by the book |
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| 17:02.18 | abrotman | BlackFate: can you transfer the file to another system an dtry to bzip it? |
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| 17:08.09 | BlackFate | abrotman, i did.. works fine |
| 17:08.15 | BlackFate | on a xen machine |
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| 17:08.35 | abrotman | BlackFate: so basically, you can't reproduce it on any machine or with another set of data/. |
| 17:08.36 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:08.47 | BlackFate | abrotman, no... :-/ |
| 17:08.56 | abrotman | BlackFate: sounds like faulty hardware |
| 17:08.58 | BlackFate | i even tried on another debian server with custom kernel |
| 17:09.18 | BlackFate | abrotman, which part of hardware? drivers? |
| 17:09.29 | abrotman | drivers aren't hardware |
| 17:09.41 | BlackFate | drives* |
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| 17:10.53 | BlackFate | abrotman, the thing is.. it works with other big files i created |
| 17:12.56 | abrotman | BlackFate: and? |
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| 17:13.32 | abrotman | BlackFate: can you install the 'bsdgames' package and run rot13 on the file ? |
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| 17:15.10 | BlackFate | abrotman, no rot13 :-/ |
| 17:15.17 | BlackFate | ,files bin/rot13 |
| 17:15.21 | abrotman | BlackFate: you have to install the bsdgames package |
| 17:15.29 | BlackFate | abrotman, i did |
| 17:15.40 | abrotman | judd: file bin/rot13 --release squeeze |
| 17:15.43 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 17:15.45 | abrotman | oh come on |
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| 17:15.51 | abrotman | judd: file games/rot13 --release squeeze |
| 17:15.53 | abrotman | there we go |
| 17:15.54 | judd | games/rot13 in squeeze/i386: bsdgames: usr/games/rot13 |
| 17:16.04 | stew | that game sucks |
| 17:16.06 | BlackFate | ah ok.. soz.. the path was not set |
| 17:16.40 | abrotman | gets stew sucked into a round of wordplay |
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| 17:16.56 | pseubodot | watches abrotman and laughs |
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| 17:17.12 | abrotman | gets jiggy wit it |
| 17:17.19 | abrotman | with |
| 17:17.35 | BlackFate | abrotman, it takes some time... but no hang |
| 17:17.52 | BlackFate | ah.. you want me to bzip the new file? |
| 17:17.53 | greedo | wit, sounds cooler |
| 17:17.57 | abrotman | BlackFate: uh, yeah :) |
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| 17:21.25 | BlackFate | abrotman, hanged |
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| 17:22.06 | abrotman | BlackFate: unless you can reproduce it on another machine .. you're going to have a hard time proving a bug |
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| 17:28.52 | BlackFate | abrotman, after many hangs. i try again with strace bzip2 file and works |
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| 17:28.59 | BlackFate | finishes.. |
| 17:29.17 | abrotman | uh .. cute |
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| 17:29.27 | BlackFate | ... its haunted |
| 17:29.28 | xelister | anyone knows how to use ssh -R ? got complex question related |
| 17:29.29 | BlackFate | :( |
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| 17:30.04 | wols | xelister: ask your real question |
| 17:31.23 | abrotman | BlackFate: this is a live, in-use system ? |
| 17:31.41 | BlackFate | abrotman, i warned my users for this |
| 17:31.44 | BlackFate | yes |
| 17:32.01 | BlackFate | i used to have a pass-less ssh backup script... |
| 17:32.07 | BlackFate | and it hanged my new server... |
| 17:32.09 | abrotman | BlackFate: i meant, could you take it down for a few hours? |
| 17:32.18 | BlackFate | ah no :( |
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| 17:33.33 | xelister | I want to connect into Target:8022 from Client. But since Target does not have a public-ip, I will use Server(with ssh on 5022) to connect. So on Target I create reverse tunel: ssh -R *:10122:localhost:8022 tun-user@server -p 5022 -v . And then, if I connect to Server on magic port 10122 then it says connection refused. But if I on the Server connect to Server:10122 THEN only it works! it then connects(forwards) into Target:8022. Why? Server's |
| 17:33.35 | xelister | firewall lets in 10122 and the connection is visible. |
| 17:36.05 | xelister | so the ssh -R tunnel works but only if the magical port 10122 is accessed from the Server itself. When I connect into Server:10122 from another Client then it says connection refused, even though the firewall lets the connection in. |
| 17:36.34 | BlackFate | abrotman, in my /proc/mdadm i get for swap md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
| 17:36.41 | BlackFate | does anything have to do with this |
| 17:37.13 | abrotman | BlackFate: not sure .. seems okay to me |
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| 17:41.08 | dscastro | hi.. |
| 17:41.20 | dscastro | i'm having a trouble with debian and dhclient in xenserver |
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| 17:42.07 | dscastro | it doesn't can get ip from dhcpserver, i saw i some forums some guys talking about use dhclient from RHEL releases, i did, but it doesnt works |
| 17:42.22 | dscastro | seems like ifup call is wrong |
| 17:43.02 | petemc | if you configure it with a static address, does it work? |
| 17:43.03 | BlackFate | abrotman, i run out of ideas... ill use gzip for now.. and lets hope (if its not a hardware issue) to be fixed or just phase out :P |
| 17:43.58 | tharkun | !moo |
| 17:43.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 17:44.03 | tharkun | !wb |
| 17:44.03 | dpkg | thanks, tharkun. It's good to be back. |
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| 17:47.10 | carnedepassaro | how can I specify which network interface the apache will use? |
| 17:47.32 | karlpinc_ | carnedepassaro: Use the Listen directive. |
| 17:47.39 | stew | carnedepassaro: do you really need to specify which network interface? or is specifying an IP address enough? |
| 17:47.52 | karlpinc_ | carnedepassaro: You may find apache's readme.debain helpful. |
| 17:48.00 | karlpinc_ | !tell carnedepassaro about readme.debian |
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| 17:48.22 | carnedepassaro | karlpinc_: like "Listen ethX" |
| 17:48.53 | karlpinc_ | carnedepassaro: It only works for IP addresses. (Which is where stew was going.) |
| 17:49.03 | carnedepassaro | stew: I will use the bond0 interface, and when I use bond0 the apache, cups and some others services do not start |
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| 17:58.52 | daemonkeeper | carnedepassaro: stew was pointing out, you don't specify the interface but the IP address associated with it in Apache |
| 17:58.57 | sonander | i have a debconf issue... anyone willing to help? |
| 17:59.25 | daemonkeeper | !anyone |
| 17:59.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:59.27 | frikinz | does anyone know how to have visible feedback in gnome windows? like flashing tab when theres activity or at least when there's a beep? |
| 17:59.37 | frikinz | eh |
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| 17:59.49 | sonander | okay. |
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| 18:00.15 | sonander | thanks |
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| 18:00.30 | carnedepassaro | daemonkeeper: Ok, I'll try this |
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| 18:01.19 | tharkun | is upgrading a machine with the motto if you have enough grains of corn over the enter key a chicken can upgrade a machine |
| 18:02.41 | xreal | I've got 4 disks in a software RAID-1. Should I put /boot into the RAID-1 array or should I leave it outside? I am using grub2. |
| 18:03.02 | sonander | i installed dokuwiki via apt-get, removed it and stupidly removed configuration files, and upon reinstalling it, get the error: WARNING: ucf was run from a maintainer script that uses debconf, but the script did not pass --debconf-ok to ucf. the maintainer script should be fixed to not stop debconf before calling ucf, and pass it this parameter. for now, ucf will revert to using old-style,non-debconf prompting. ugh! ... |
| 18:03.48 | sonander | my google searching suggested that it recognizes my removal of configuration files and respects it. i just am not sure how to go about resetting it |
| 18:04.05 | jelly-home | xreal: you can put it into a separate raid1. |
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| 18:05.00 | jelly-home | xreal: I'm not sure whether grub2 now supports all md raid formats or it still only does 1.0 and 0.9 |
| 18:05.17 | xreal | jelly-home: GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="raid mdraid" |
| 18:05.20 | tharkun | xreal: to read a software raid array you need a software allready running on the machine |
| 18:05.38 | tharkun | Make your own conclusions |
| 18:05.41 | wols | !tell sonander about confmiss |
| 18:05.56 | xreal | tharkun: check this out: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-software-raid1-on-a-running-system-incl-grub2-configuration-ubuntu-10.04 |
| 18:05.58 | xreal | It |
| 18:06.06 | xreal | It's possible with grub2 to boot from RAID-1. |
| 18:06.30 | xreal | I've also done it, grub2 won't switch the disks, if one is damaged :-( |
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| 18:06.43 | carnedepassaro | stew, daemonkeeper, karlpinc_ specifying the the IP address on the Listen parameter works fine, thank you |
| 18:06.57 | sonander | thank you, i'll try it out |
| 18:07.06 | xreal | tharkun: Did you read the link? |
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| 18:08.04 | tharkun | xreal: In RAID 1 (mirroring without parity or striping), data is written identically ... from wikipedia |
| 18:08.23 | tharkun | so you actually do not need any software to read it |
| 18:08.39 | xreal | tharkun: So, it *is* possible... |
| 18:08.49 | xreal | But on my system grub2 won't switch the disks, if one is damaged. |
| 18:08.55 | xreal | It's a supermicro server. 1 HE |
| 18:09.01 | xreal | 1 U |
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| 18:10.40 | n-iCe | hi |
| 18:10.44 | sonander | dpkg: i got the same error, so what about ucf conf? |
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| 18:10.45 | dpkg | sonander: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:11.12 | sonander | not yet |
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| 18:13.03 | jelly-home | xreal: that line looks pretty normal |
| 18:13.53 | xreal | jelly-home: Which line? About the non working HDD switch ? |
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| 18:14.03 | jelly-home | xreal: the GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES line |
| 18:14.29 | xreal | jelly-home: Perhaps the server BIOS doesn't allow to switch boot devices? |
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| 18:15.20 | jelly-home | xreal: that would be unusual... how are you testing the failover, by pulling the first disk? |
| 18:15.52 | xreal | yeah :-) |
| 18:16.12 | jelly-home | and how does the machine fail to boot? |
| 18:16.36 | xreal | jelly-home: it stops black, where grub should start |
| 18:17.12 | jelly-home | xreal: did you install grub on the second (, third etc) disk at all? |
| 18:17.22 | xreal | jelly-home: 100% of course |
| 18:18.18 | jelly-home | xreal: if you replace the first disk with the second, does it boot? |
| 18:18.34 | jelly-home | (keeping the first disk out) |
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| 18:19.10 | xreal | jelly-home: oh, I can't test this right now :-( |
| 18:19.59 | jelly-home | xreal: that would indicate second disk really has the correct data, but there really might be some issues with bios |
| 18:20.02 | xreal | Trägst du gerne hohe Schuhe oder lieber Ballerinas? |
| 18:20.09 | xreal | Whoops |
| 18:20.12 | xreal | Wrong channel :) |
| 18:20.26 | tharkun | xreal: I think it is some BIOS crap your machine has. SInce i am sure this is not a production server try switching order from within the bios to start booting from the other one first. If it fails it points into my diagnosis |
| 18:20.26 | jelly-home | nicht sprache German or something |
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| 18:20.35 | xreal | jelly-home: I am sorry, wrong channel. |
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| 18:20.53 | xreal | tharkun: It's a professional supermicro server... |
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| 18:21.04 | jelly-home | xreal: yeah I figured Supermicro BIOS might not be directly related with ballerinas! |
| 18:21.14 | tharkun | !beer jelly-home |
| 18:21.14 | dpkg | pours a pint of Spaten Pils for jelly-home |
| 18:21.18 | xreal | jelly-home: :-x |
| 18:21.26 | jelly-home | xreal: Supermicro is a low end brand |
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| 18:21.45 | xreal | jelly-home: Oh, when did it start to be low end? |
| 18:22.05 | jelly-home | xreal: always has been; decent for the price, but decidedly lower end |
| 18:22.37 | xreal | jelly-home: Even my 7 year old ASUS board supports dynamic switching of boot devices... |
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| 18:23.23 | jelly-home | xreal: your server probably does that too but you need to RTFM! |
| 18:23.52 | xreal | jelly-home: I did without success. MMh. I'll switch to a SSD to make failsafe boots, I think. |
| 18:24.20 | jelly-home | because SSDs don't die? :-D |
| 18:25.09 | jelly-home | xreal: does the thing have some kind of remote management (eg. via IPMI) |
| 18:25.27 | wols | jelly-home: as long as it doesn't have a sandforce controller... :P |
| 18:25.38 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if anybody has stats on MTF for SSD's vs HD's. |
| 18:25.42 | xreal | jelly-home: they don't die of READING, I thought? nope, I have to buy such a card, I think. |
| 18:26.23 | jelly-home | xreal: no remote/lights-out mgt is what I call low end |
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| 18:26.58 | xreal | jelly-home: I think, you've to pay for the card at DELL, too. |
| 18:27.02 | Angstrom_ | I'm having trouble compiling aprogram, it keeps saying error: invalid conversion from âconst char*â to âchar*â |
| 18:27.05 | Angstrom_ | Is there a way I can get around th is |
| 18:27.07 | jelly-home | xreal: depends on the model |
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| 18:27.24 | xreal | jelly-home: Low end? :-) |
| 18:27.45 | tnt | Angstrom_: ... fix the program ... |
| 18:27.54 | Angstrom_ | I don't know how to fix the program |
| 18:27.57 | stew | Angstrom_: do you really need the char* to be non-const? if so, you'll have to make a copy |
| 18:28.10 | Angstrom_ | how |
| 18:28.20 | Angstrom_ | I have: |
| 18:28.21 | Angstrom_ | gimp_layer_set_name (layers[0], strrchr(fc->value(1),'/')+1); GPrecisionType image_base_prec = gimp_drawable_precision (layers[0]); int base_gray = gimp_drawable_gray (layers[0]); |
| 18:28.36 | Angstrom_ | the first line or function is what is causing the problem |
| 18:28.55 | Angstrom_ | Do I do it by making a whole new variable, then ty ping "char testing; testing = fc;"? |
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| 18:29.55 | Angstrom_ | How do I know which variable is constant |
| 18:30.11 | Angstrom_ | Is FC the variable |
| 18:30.28 | Angstrom_ | all kinds of weird shit here |
| 18:30.32 | Angstrom_ | Fl_File_Chooser *fc = 0; |
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| 18:30.56 | Angstrom_ | I SAI DHOW DO I KNOW WHICH VARIABLE IS CONSTANT |
| 18:31.53 | twobitsprite | wow... shouting at people is a great way to get them to help you |
| 18:32.36 | Angstrom_ | I tried Fl_File_Chooser *fc2 = 0; char *fc = fc2; |
| 18:32.41 | Angstrom_ | and it didn't work |
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| 18:35.07 | Angstrom_ | you can see all of the code at http://pastebin.com/gAbyyjja |
| 18:35.19 | Angstrom_ | again, that's http://pastebin.com/gAbyyjja line 200 something, you'll see the comment |
| 18:35.48 | jelly-home | why not ask the gimp people |
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| 18:39.14 | brandonw | maybe i should install mTG at work |
| 18:39.20 | brandonw | whoops wrong channel :D |
| 18:39.51 | Angstrom_ | because when I go in #gimp, no one answers and ubuntu can apt-=get with it, debian can't |
| 18:39.51 | twobitsprite | magic the gathering? :) |
| 18:39.56 | Angstrom_ | no, cinepaint |
| 18:40.10 | twobitsprite | Angstrom_: you can't apt-get gimp on your debian system? |
| 18:40.10 | stew | Angstrom_: wait, what can't debian do? |
| 18:40.11 | Angstrom_ | apt-get install cinepaint doesn't work like ubuntu or fedora |
| 18:40.23 | Angstrom_ | because cinepaint isn 't a part ofd debian, so this is a debianb prob lem |
| 18:40.30 | Angstrom_ | I have to compile it from scratch on debian |
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| 18:40.41 | Angstrom_ | debian can't compile cinepaint without modifications in squeeze |
| 18:40.55 | Angstrom_ | oyranos can't compile either so I had to use ./configure --enable-gtk2 |
| 18:41.03 | Angstrom_ | I miss fedora |
| 18:41.11 | Angstrom_ | at least it actually worked' |
| 18:41.21 | Angstrom_ | debian's for a bunch of grouchy know-nothings |
| 18:41.26 | stew | ah, yeah, it was removed from debain becuase it was both buggy and unmaintained |
| 18:41.36 | twobitsprite | looks like cinepaint was removed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437837 |
| 18:41.37 | Angstrom_ | but what if I like it |
| 18:41.52 | Angstrom_ | ok |
| 18:42.06 | Angstrom_ | that's what I like about debian though, very stable, not like Ubuntu where they just paste random programs out of anywhere together |
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| 18:43.00 | twobitsprite | too bad we're all just a bunch of grouchy-know nothings... |
| 18:43.26 | stew | is cinepaint dead upstream? this seems like something upstream should be fixing |
| 18:43.39 | Angstrom_ | What do you suggest I use instead |
| 18:43.47 | twobitsprite | stew: according to that link it's being rewritten and the old code base has been abandoned |
| 18:43.52 | stew | ah |
| 18:43.54 | Angstrom_ | GIMP itself isn't what I want, any other forks of GIMP? |
| 18:43.57 | boudiccas | Angstrom_; what are you trying to do? |
| 18:44.00 | twobitsprite | Angstrom_: I suggest fedora |
| 18:44.01 | Angstrom_ | I'm tryign to compile it |
| 18:44.19 | stew | Angstrom_: i suggest you try caasting the const char* to char* |
| 18:44.22 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to compile the program "collect.cpp" but I don't know how http://pastebin.com/gAbyyjja |
| 18:44.34 | Angstrom_ | that's what I want to do stew |
| 18:44.45 | Angstrom_ | my problem is, I don't even know which is const char* and which is gint |
| 18:44.53 | Angstrom_ | in the line I commented before in that URL |
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| 18:45.23 | Angstrom_ | in collect.cpp, there is no indication of any constant char |
| 18:45.25 | Big_Brother | can i access my local file server through ssh using filezilla? |
| 18:45.37 | Cain | how to 'export' mysql users & passwords and import them to the server after reinstalling ? |
| 18:45.41 | stew | Big_Brother: probably using sftp |
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| 18:46.02 | Angstrom_ | in this line: |
| 18:46.07 | Big_Brother | stew: doesn't sshd already have scp with it? |
| 18:46.13 | Angstrom_ | gimp_layer_set_name (layers[0], strrchr(fc->value(1),'/')+1); |
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| 18:46.20 | Angstrom_ | What is the const chat*? |
| 18:46.26 | Angstrom_ | Is layers[0]? is fc? is value? |
| 18:46.31 | jhutchins | Cain: It's possible to copy over the mysql tables. |
| 18:46.35 | stew | Big_Brother: yes, it has both scp and sftp. I am not very familiar with filezilla. I Know it supports sftp, I don't know about scp |
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| 18:46.47 | Angstrom_ | I think fc is, but it's definition is Fl_File_Chooser *fc = 0; |
| 18:46.49 | stew | Cain: those are in the "user" table in the "mysql" database |
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| 18:47.08 | stew | Angstrom_: i doubt that Fl_File_Chooser is a char |
| 18:47.25 | Angstrom_ | fc = new Fl_File_Chooser(vals.name, "*.*", Fl_File_Chooser::MULTI, |
| 18:47.27 | Angstrom_ | _("Select images")) |
| 18:47.28 | Cain | Stew so mysqldump --all-databases will copy the user table too ? |
| 18:47.36 | stew | Cain: yes |
| 18:47.40 | Cain | thx |
| 18:47.57 | Angstrom_ | that's the line after it |
| 18:48.16 | Cain | i guess i can't do it for system users ? |
| 18:48.18 | Angstrom_ | because this is c++ I don't know anything about the classes or OOP |
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| 18:48.27 | stew | Cain: what do you mean by system users? |
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| 18:48.37 | stew | Angstrom_: ask in ##c++ |
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| 18:49.22 | Cain | stew : i'm reinstalling a server, and a ihave a few users in it, i have to recreate the users after or can i import them too ? |
| 18:49.37 | stew | Angstrom_: https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file?file=cinepaint-0.25-gcc4_4.patch&package=cinepaint&project=multimedia%3Acolor_management&srcmd5=674adf66e2abfa7177d418538b52a783 |
| 18:49.55 | Angstrom_ | I can't talk in ##C++ |
| 18:50.45 | Cain | stew : system users = debian normal accounts |
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| 18:51.21 | twobitsprite | Cain: best to create the users after they're installed |
| 18:51.23 | stew | Cain: yes, you'd have to back them up |
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| 18:51.34 | twobitsprite | but then you can migrate their home directories |
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| 18:52.44 | Cain | twobitsprite, stew : ok, thx again |
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| 18:56.27 | shirish | hi all, can somebody share why #debian-next requires an invitation ? |
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| 18:56.54 | stew | shirish: because you are on the wrong network, you want #debain-next on irc.debian.org |
| 18:57.12 | shirish | stew: check, thanx. |
| 18:57.38 | stew | you're welx |
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| 19:03.03 | wols | Angstrom_: you probably have to register your nick and identify to services. then you should be able to talk in there |
| 19:03.23 | shirish | out |
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| 19:12.27 | Big_Brother | to create a raid5 in mdadm, it would use --level=raid5 after other options, right ? |
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| 19:13.42 | vikapi | Big_Brother: shud there be --level=raid5, i think --level=5 will work.. |
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| 19:13.55 | vikapi | Big_Brother: or man.. |
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| 19:16.26 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.52 | Zap-W_ | bu |
| 19:19.02 | Zap-W_ | damn 1129 users |
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| 19:20.14 | nocturnal | is it common for the installer to spend 6 hours deleting data on LVM-VG for a 450G sata2 partition? |
| 19:20.23 | nocturnal | at least 6 hours |
| 19:20.40 | nocturnal | is it overwriting every block or something? |
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| 19:21.18 | twobitsprite | nocturnal: are you doing a fresh install? |
| 19:21.26 | twobitsprite | nocturnal: i.e., overwriting all content on the disk? |
| 19:21.41 | nocturnal | well there was some lvm written to the disk before because I've been trying to learn it and playing around with it |
| 19:21.45 | nocturnal | I just deleted that volume |
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| 19:21.46 | nocturnal | and made new |
| 19:21.51 | nocturnal | otherwhise new |
| 19:22.08 | twobitsprite | nocturnal: as you, you created a fresh volume while in the installer and you're trying to install to it? |
| 19:22.24 | nocturnal | yes |
| 19:22.25 | twobitsprite | and the deletion of the pv is what's taking 6 houtrs? |
| 19:22.33 | nocturnal | pv? |
| 19:22.37 | twobitsprite | physical volume |
| 19:22.40 | nocturnal | I guess |
| 19:22.46 | nocturnal | it says deleting LVM-VG |
| 19:22.51 | nocturnal | and the name of the volume group |
| 19:22.54 | nocturnal | or whatever it was called |
| 19:22.56 | twobitsprite | I'd say it's hung |
| 19:23.01 | nocturnal | but it's moving |
| 19:23.03 | nocturnal | extremely slowly |
| 19:23.07 | nocturnal | it's at 50% |
| 19:23.29 | twobitsprite | odd |
| 19:23.33 | nocturnal | but in other console nothing is happening |
| 19:23.33 | Zap-W_ | nocturnal: check io with iostat |
| 19:23.35 | nocturnal | alt+f4 |
| 19:23.39 | nocturnal | I'll try |
| 19:23.41 | Zap-W_ | see if there are high percentage there |
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| 19:24.05 | abrotman | nocturnal: not likely .. that seems very long |
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| 19:24.24 | nocturnal | where is iostat? can't find it in /usr/bin or /target/usr/bin |
| 19:24.25 | Angstrom_ | Nevermind I figured out the problem |
| 19:24.27 | nocturnal | no paths are set |
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| 19:24.32 | verme | hello |
| 19:24.33 | twobitsprite | I can't imagine why deleting an LVM-VG would take more than a second |
| 19:24.45 | twobitsprite | that'll do it |
| 19:24.45 | Angstrom_ | One of the header files was missing from Fast Light Tool Kit (fltk) |
| 19:24.51 | nocturnal | ok thanks, good to know |
| 19:24.55 | Angstrom_ | makes you think about how crappy a distribution Debian is, and how bug ridden it is |
| 19:25.14 | twobitsprite | Angstrom_: stfu and gtfo, we're all tired of your complaining |
| 19:25.21 | Angstrom_ | well watch |
| 19:25.33 | Angstrom_ | warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to âgchar*â |
| 19:25.40 | verme | hello |
| 19:25.45 | Angstrom_ | collect.cpp:305: error: invalid conversion from âconst char*â to âchar*â |
| 19:25.46 | Angstrom_ | collect.cpp:305: error: initializing argument 2 of âvoid gimp_layer_set_name(gint32, char*)â |
| 19:25.50 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.50 | twobitsprite | if you don't like debian because you don't know how to compile old, abandoned buggy software and want to blame debian, then you take go take a flying leap |
| 19:26.08 | Digdilem | hugs his /ignore troll survival device |
| 19:26.31 | twobitsprite | Digdilem: yeah, but I hate doing that because soon I have an /ignore list pages long :P |
| 19:26.38 | Digdilem | :) |
| 19:26.43 | verme | I am a developer and I would like to find a mentor who wants to upload deb packages I have made, anybody could collaborate? |
| 19:27.08 | stew | Angstrom_: use reportbug to report a bug if you find one |
| 19:27.22 | stew | Angstrom_: please don't expect us to fix bugs we don't know about |
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| 19:27.30 | Angstrom_ | Why the fuck would there be a constant in the header file |
| 19:27.42 | Angstrom_ | IT'S FL FILE CHOOSER |
| 19:27.45 | twobitsprite | stew: the bug was filed and fixed, he's complaining about building something from source which was removed from debian several releases ago |
| 19:27.50 | stew | Angstrom_: I would be very suprised to find out there was a file missing that wasn't either a bug in the upstream software, or done intentionally by the upstream authors |
| 19:28.04 | stew | Angstrom_: please turn off your caps lock |
| 19:28.36 | Angstrom_ | you have to understand that this is the libfltk-dev, not just the program I'm compiling |
| 19:28.39 | Angstrom_ | it's a missing header file |
| 19:28.48 | stew | Angstrom_: which header file is missing? |
| 19:28.57 | Angstrom_ | FL_File_Chooser.H from /usr/include/FL |
| 19:29.18 | Angstrom_ | in fltk |
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| 19:29.26 | asarch | How can I know the vendor/model of the laptop's touchpad? |
| 19:29.29 | stew | Angstrom_: which version of fltk? |
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| 19:29.32 | Angstrom_ | aka Fast Light Tool Kit |
| 19:29.40 | asarch | I think I have the bug #597082 |
| 19:29.56 | Angstrom_ | version // "$Id: gl.h 4288 2005-04-16 00:13:17Z mike $" |
| 19:29.56 | stew | Angstrom_: fltk 1.1? |
| 19:30.02 | Angstrom_ | yeah |
| 19:30.04 | Angstrom_ | whatever debian comes with |
| 19:30.10 | Angstrom_ | there hasn't been an update since 2005 |
| 19:30.13 | stew | Angstrom_: it comes with multiple versions |
| 19:30.14 | Angstrom_ | but a header file is missing |
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| 19:30.15 | valdyn | judd: versions libfltk-dev |
| 19:30.16 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libfltk-dev' was found in i386. |
| 19:30.32 | Angstrom_ | versions libfltk-dev |
| 19:30.32 | Angstrom_ | -su: versions: command not found |
| 19:30.33 | devil | asarch: should be in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50 |
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| 19:30.55 | twobitsprite | ,versions libfltk1.1-dev |
| 19:30.56 | judd | Package libfltk1.1-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.9-6; squeeze: 1.1.10-2+b1; sid: 1.1.10-6; wheezy: 1.1.10-6 |
| 19:31.03 | Angstrom_ | Note, selecting 'libfltk1.1-dev' instead of 'libfltk-dev' |
| 19:31.03 | Angstrom_ | libfltk1.1-dev is already the newest version. |
| 19:31.06 | TheRedOctober | Greetings all. I haven't found freenx in any (of the main free/nonfree repositories) for squeeze. is there something else I should use for slow network x over ssh? |
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| 19:31.23 | valdyn | Angstrom_: *my* package has that file |
| 19:31.52 | asarch | Thank you devil |
| 19:31.58 | asarch | Thank you very much :-( |
| 19:32.04 | asarch | I mean, :-) |
| 19:32.06 | stew | judd: file FL/Fl_File_Chooser.H |
| 19:32.10 | judd | FL/Fl_File_Chooser.H in squeeze/i386: libfltk1.1-dev: usr/include/FL/Fl_File_Chooser.H, usr/include/FL/fl_file_chooser.H |
| 19:32.18 | valdyn | nice |
| 19:32.26 | stew | Angstrom_: yea, it doesn't appear to be missing. see above^^ |
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| 19:32.31 | Angstrom_ | I had to download it from http://www.koders.com |
| 19:32.46 | Angstrom_ | yeah lowercase is a symbolic link |
| 19:32.55 | Angstrom_ | how do I remove then reinstall it |
| 19:33.07 | stew | Angstrom_: how do you remove what? |
| 19:33.17 | Big_Brother | so i created a mdadm RAID array... do i have to restart or hand mount it? |
| 19:33.20 | Angstrom_ | THE FUCKING HEADERS, THAT'S WHAT |
| 19:33.23 | valdyn | Angstrom_: question is how you broke your libfltk1.1-dev package |
| 19:33.29 | twobitsprite | can we kick him now? :) |
| 19:33.37 | Angstrom_ | DUH STUPID QUESTION ASKER |
| 19:33.38 | stew | Angstrom_: please turn off your caps lock again, and please keep things civil |
| 19:33.56 | valdyn | Big_Brother: its usually started when you create it |
| 19:33.56 | stew | Angstrom_: really, you need to keep this constructive and civil |
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| 19:34.09 | Big_Brother | valdyn: maybe it's still creating it ? |
| 19:34.28 | valdyn | Big_Brother: "cat /proc/mdstat" |
| 19:34.31 | stew | Angstrom_: what headers are you trying to remove? the debian package, or whatever you downloaded from koders.com? |
| 19:34.38 | valdyn | Big_Brother: no, creation is almost instantly |
| 19:34.38 | Big_Brother | it is kinda large... it's a RAID5 of 4x 1.5tb drives. |
| 19:34.51 | valdyn | Big_Brother: doesnt matter |
| 19:35.01 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.11 | valdyn | Big_Brother: so nothing in /proc/mdstat ? |
| 19:35.24 | Angstrom_ | I typed aptitude purge libfltk1.1-dev, then typed apt-get install libfltk1.1-dev |
| 19:35.32 | Angstrom_ | FL_File_Chooser.H had 0 bytes |
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| 19:35.37 | Angstrom_ | also it wasn't installed |
| 19:35.41 | Angstrom_ | It's a debian bug |
| 19:35.48 | valdyn | Angstrom_: youre full of shit |
| 19:35.54 | Angstrom_ | because of the old farts there, many people have switched to noobuntu |
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| 19:36.26 | stew | Angstrom_: i've silenced you for ten minutes. please take a deep breath and calm down. you need to try to help us help you and do that without insulting people |
| 19:36.37 | Big_Brother | valdyn: is it supposed to say recovery anywhere as a result of a 'cat /proc/mdstat' ? |
| 19:37.05 | valdyn | Big_Brother: youre supposed to see something about your raids, each raid starting with mdX: |
| 19:37.25 | valdyn | Big_Brother: ok, if theres nothing run "mdadm --assemble --scan" |
| 19:37.38 | Big_Brother | well, yeah, i saw that... but after that, it said it said 'recovery = 0.8%' |
| 19:37.57 | Big_Brother | hold on, lemme get a copy of the text |
| 19:38.03 | valdyn | Big_Brother: so everything is fine |
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| 19:39.17 | valdyn | Big_Brother: make sure you enable an on device bitmap later because recovery at any time will destroy your performance and be long enough to be a serious risk |
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| 19:39.56 | Big_Brother | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/MhmjCp65 |
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| 19:40.50 | nocturnal | my first attempt at encrypted lvm got stuck. rebooted and tried normal partitioning and it worked instantly. |
| 19:41.01 | valdyn | Big_Brother: yes, i dont know where you think you have a problem |
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| 19:41.42 | Big_Brother | valdyn: it's supposed to be a fresh, new RAID5... from ext3 formatted drives. why is it 'recovering' something ? |
| 19:41.46 | laidback_01 | Big_Brother: you are good to go, once those are done, .. the remaining U will show up, much like : http://pastebin.com/smmRRCxf |
| 19:41.55 | laidback_01 | Oh, that's the initialization |
| 19:41.58 | sinisterstuf | is it possible to get the exit status from a command that is executed within gnu screen? |
| 19:42.01 | Big_Brother | oh |
| 19:42.01 | laidback_01 | that's very much needed the first time |
| 19:42.02 | valdyn | Big_Brother: do you understand how data is laid out on a raid5? |
| 19:42.06 | laidback_01 | that takes forever. |
| 19:42.20 | nocturnal | sinisterstuf: anything executed in bash will have $? |
| 19:42.27 | valdyn | Big_Brother: it has to make each 4th block match the checksum of the other 3 |
| 19:42.31 | nocturnal | or bourne shell |
| 19:42.32 | Big_Brother | see, i was confused because it said 'recover' and not something like 'initializing'. |
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| 19:43.07 | valdyn | Big_Brother: its usually recover, only on first run you can name it initiliasation, but theres no difference |
| 19:43.20 | Big_Brother | meh |
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| 19:43.24 | Big_Brother | it's been cleared up |
| 19:43.30 | laidback_01 | yeah, it'll take a bit of time is all |
| 19:43.30 | Big_Brother | i'll leave it to do its thing. |
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| 19:43.40 | sinisterstuf | nocturnal: $? will return the exit status of screen, not the command that was executed within it. checking $? within screen will not be seen because the screen is detached... |
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| 19:43.46 | pdtpatrick | Has anyone successfully installed Emerald on Debian 6 ? |
| 19:43.49 | laidback_01 | the more you do on the system, the slower it gets, so if you just leave it be, it'll go faster. |
| 19:44.03 | Big_Brother | laidback_01: i know. i'm coming from a crappy PCIe x1 card. |
| 19:44.07 | valdyn | it will be relatively slow either way since its raid5 |
| 19:44.16 | laidback_01 | what is Emerald? |
| 19:44.35 | nocturnal | sinisterstuf: then output it to a file. |
| 19:44.44 | nocturnal | I don't know of any way to do it in screen I'm afraid |
| 19:44.46 | laidback_01 | I'm pretty sure a google search on that is going to yield gems rather than software |
| 19:44.49 | pdtpatrick | Emerald is a decorator.. sorta like compiz |
| 19:44.54 | sinisterstuf | nocturnal: good idea, thanks |
| 19:45.12 | laidback_01 | Oh. yeah, I don't really like that stuff... sorry, can't help. |
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| 19:45.25 | sinisterstuf | nocturnal: is there a recommended directory for creating temporary files? |
| 19:45.37 | karlpinc_ | sinisterstuf: /tmp |
| 19:45.44 | karlpinc_ | !tell sinisterstuf about fhs |
| 19:45.45 | pdtpatrick | Question -- telinit no longer works on Debian? Trying to go install single user mode to install a driver. Do i have to kill gdm first ? |
| 19:45.45 | sinisterstuf | karlpinc_: thanks |
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| 19:46.29 | karlpinc_ | pdtpatrick: "telinit 1" should work. |
| 19:46.31 | sinisterstuf | does a normal user have permission to create files in /tmp? |
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| 19:46.39 | karlpinc_ | sinisterstuf: Sure. |
| 19:47.11 | sinisterstuf | karlpinc_: thanks, this is perfect! |
| 19:47.26 | karlpinc_ | sinisterstuf: See "man 1 mktemp" or the equalivent C call in section 3. |
| 19:47.26 | twobitsprite | sinisterstuf: by default they should... but you can check with "ls -ld /tmp" |
| 19:47.31 | Big_Brother | works on accessing the system |
| 19:48.38 | sinisterstuf | twobitsprite: what's the -d switch for? |
| 19:48.56 | sinisterstuf | karlpinc_: what's the 1 in man 1 mktemp for? |
| 19:49.22 | sinisterstuf | sorry if I'm asking silly questions... |
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| 19:49.29 | twobitsprite | sinisterstuf: means to look at the properties on the directory itself instead of it's contents |
| 19:49.39 | twobitsprite | sinisterstuf: everyone was new once :) |
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| 19:50.00 | twobitsprite | (except stew, he was born with a set of buzz floppies in his hand :P) |
| 19:50.41 | karlpinc_ | sinisterstuf: It's the "section". Some times there's man pages with the same name in more than one section. "man 1 crontab" vs. "man 5 crontab". |
| 19:50.45 | stew | twobitsprite: i only started with potato :) |
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| 19:51.03 | karlpinc_ | sinisterstuf: "man man" |
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| 19:51.04 | twobitsprite | still before my time :) |
| 19:51.07 | stew | twobitsprite: and, uh, how young do you think i am?!? |
| 19:51.12 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 19:51.31 | Seth_Hikaru | Does anyone have any guides for running shells in linux? |
| 19:51.55 | stew | Seth_Hikaru: what do you mean by "running shells"? |
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| 19:52.23 | Seth_Hikaru | You know how you can buy shells? |
| 19:52.43 | Bushmills | Seth_Hikaru: other than logging in, to run your default shell? |
| 19:52.58 | Seth_Hikaru | Yeah. |
| 19:53.12 | Seth_Hikaru | Like a shell account. |
| 19:53.17 | Bushmills | yes. you type the name of the shell you want to start |
| 19:53.23 | stew | Seth_Hikaru: i would guide you to not give anyone shell access on a machine if you don't fully trust them to not be malicious |
| 19:53.49 | Seth_Hikaru | They're aren't getting full access. |
| 19:53.58 | stew | Seth_Hikaru: how can you ensure that? |
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| 19:54.17 | ompaul | Seth_Hikaru: access is more than no access and how well do you think you can lock it down |
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| 19:54.18 | sinisterstuf | karlpinc_: thanks I always wondered how you got to those "sections" |
| 19:54.23 | MrFrood | stew: I think that is why he is asking - wants to know how to secure the system... |
| 19:54.46 | karlpinc_ | sinisterstuf: Dates back to when each section was in a separate printed volume. |
| 19:55.10 | ompaul | Seth_Hikaru: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html |
| 19:55.13 | sinisterstuf | that's interesting |
| 19:55.13 | stew | MrFrood: yes, I understand. I'm trying to answer that |
| 19:55.35 | Seth_Hikaru | ompaul: I'm going to secure it best I can and continue to monitor it. |
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| 19:56.19 | MrFrood | Seth_Hikaru: check out quota andlearn how groups & permissions work so you can limit what progs users can run |
| 19:56.33 | Seth_Hikaru | Thanks. |
| 19:57.49 | MrFrood | I'd also suggest looking at a few shell provisers to see how they do it |
| 19:58.05 | MrFrood | *providers |
| 19:58.26 | MrFrood | goes back to sleep |
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| 20:13.07 | daveo | is the quietness of this channel a reflection of the steadiness / stability of debian? |
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| 20:13.37 | stew | or the time of day on friday |
| 20:13.55 | daveo | stew: you are astute |
| 20:13.57 | karlpinc_ | daveo: It's the calm before the weekend storm of unsober, inexperenced, and reckless queries. |
| 20:14.02 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 20:14.02 | dpkg | <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
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| 20:22.53 | twobitsprite | I love tha tone |
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| 20:31.41 | Python | verme: mentor ? |
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| 20:33.02 | twobitsprite | !mentor |
| 20:33.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 20:33.27 | cybor0 | hello |
| 20:33.33 | twobitsprite | verme: if no one answered your question, see above |
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| 20:33.45 | cybor0 | is a update alternatives still used to mta |
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| 20:34.09 | jelly-home | cybor0: no, it never was used for MTAs in Debian |
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| 20:34.41 | jelly-home | cybor0: in Debian you just install some other MTA, and the previous one gets uninstalled |
| 20:34.59 | Jef91 | I've got a debian qemu and my system is not sharing my net connection to it... Any ideas what I can do to fix this? |
| 20:35.07 | cybor0 | jelly-home: thenks a lot |
| 20:35.21 | verme | thanks twobitsprite, I have already asked in #debian-mentors |
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| 20:37.09 | cybor0 | jelly-home so /usr/sbin/sendmail is a wrapper to cuurent MTA |
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| 20:37.44 | twobitsprite | Jef91: is qemu running on debian, or is debian running on qemu, or both? |
| 20:37.54 | verme | tanks, bye |
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| 20:38.06 | Jef91 | I've got an ubuntu system as the host twobitsprite and I am running debian as the guest in qemu |
| 20:38.07 | Python | verme: me? |
| 20:38.24 | jelly-home | cybor0: /usr/sbin/sendmail is almost always a part of a package that Provides: mail-transfer-agent |
| 20:38.28 | twobitsprite | Jef91: the networking will be a host<->qemu issue, I recommend you ask in #ubuntu |
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| 20:39.22 | Python | too bad |
| 20:39.29 | Python | wanted to be mentor things |
| 20:40.31 | cybor0 | jelly-home so why ig i have exim a /usr/sbin/sendmail is sym link to exim but if i have postfix /usr/sbin/sendmail isn't sym link to postfix |
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| 20:41.27 | twobitsprite | cybor0: postfix provides a separate sendmail executable? |
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| 20:42.09 | cybor0 | twobitsprite yes |
| 20:43.09 | twobitsprite | cybor0: sorry, what was the question? |
| 20:43.42 | cybor0 | twobitsprite why if i have exim a /usr/sbin/sendmail is sym link to exim but if i have postfix /usr/sbin/sendmail isn't sym link to postfix |
| 20:44.32 | twobitsprite | well... I mean... I can read the line above mine... but I don't understand... the reason is because postfix provides a separate executable for sendmail, whereas exim handles it with the main exim executable |
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| 20:45.56 | cybor0 | twobitsprite ok thx |
| 20:47.47 | jelly-home | cybor0: because exim uses a symlink there. It's not configurable. |
| 20:48.34 | jelly-home | in particular, that is NOT a symlink to /etc/alternatives/* |
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| 20:49.44 | twobitsprite | have a good weekend everyone |
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| 20:53.15 | Furai` | Is there debian user like test? |
| 20:53.24 | Furai` | Named test? * |
| 20:53.27 | wols | not by default |
| 20:53.30 | wols | what UID? |
| 20:53.45 | Furai` | I was just making myself sure. |
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| 20:54.04 | Furai` | Thanks for quick answer. |
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| 20:56.19 | plmb33 | hi, I have just upgraded my Debian system from stable to unstable and CUPS is not working my printer anymore. So I deleted my printer from the list of known printers and tried to resetup. When I click on "Administration" --> "Add Printer" the only option for local printers is "SCSI Printer"; it seems not do recognize my plugged-in USB printer. Any idea? |
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| 20:57.46 | dutchfish | plmb33, does lsusb shows your printer? |
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| 20:58.38 | plmb33 | yes: Bus 008 Device 007: ID 03f0:7317 Hewlett-Packard LaserJet P3005 |
| 20:58.53 | jelly-home | plmb33: is hplip installed? |
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| 20:59.16 | plmb33 | no (doing it now...) |
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| 20:59.38 | jelly-home | plmb33: was it installed before? Why did you choose to run unstable? |
| 21:00.24 | plmb33 | jelly-home, wasn't installed before. I chose unstable because stable is no fun because it runs too smooth |
| 21:00.37 | jelly-home | well, have fun then |
| 21:01.16 | jelly-home | plmb33: also, there's a separate channel for testing and unstable now: #debian-next on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) |
| 21:02.04 | plmb33 | jelly-home, printer is recognized now by cups, thanks for assistance :) |
| 21:02.45 | peterrooney | jelly-home: so how does one obtain an invite to that channel? |
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| 21:03.01 | jelly-home | peterrooney: on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) |
| 21:03.28 | jelly-home | peterrooney: you are now on Freenode, a different irc network |
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| 21:13.50 | zimba12 | hi |
| 21:14.04 | zimba12 | I am having trouble with compiling some a kde application |
| 21:14.16 | zimba12 | http://paste.kde.org/97375/ |
| 21:14.30 | zimba12 | in #kde-devel they told me to ask here |
| 21:15.22 | zimba12 | it seems that libstdc++.so in /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/ |
| 21:15.29 | zimba12 | links to a file that doesn't exist |
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| 21:15.49 | zimba12 | did some recent update break this? |
| 21:16.31 | jelly-home | zimba12: how come you're using 4.4 instead of the default /usr/bin/g++ which seems to be 4.6 at the moment in testing/unstable? |
| 21:17.00 | zimba12 | I am not using testing/unstable |
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| 21:17.36 | jelly-home | that... is a good reason |
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| 21:24.59 | jelly-home | zimba12: dpkg -l libstdc++6 libstdc++6-4.4-dev | tail -2 |
| 21:25.34 | zimba12 | ii libstdc++6 4.6.1-1 GNU Standard C++ Library v3 |
| 21:25.34 | zimba12 | ii libstdc++6-4.4-dev 4.4.5-8 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (development files) |
| 21:26.00 | jelly-home | zimba12: that libstdc++6 is not from stable |
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| 21:26.21 | jelly-home | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 21:26.22 | judd | Package libstdc++6 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.6.1-1; sid: 4.6.1-4 |
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| 21:26.50 | zimba12 | jelly-home: maybe that's where the issues come from |
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| 21:26.52 | jelly-home | zimba12: there seems to be some mixing of releases involved |
| 21:26.59 | zimba12 | I remember installing something from testing |
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| 21:27.12 | zimba12 | jelly-home: I confirm this mixing |
| 21:27.23 | zimba12 | but at that time everything seemed to work fine |
| 21:27.25 | jelly-home | zimba12: that's what "using testing" means! :-D |
| 21:27.35 | zimba12 | ouch |
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| 21:27.43 | sc30317 | does anyone have an invite to a good private tracker? |
| 21:28.17 | jelly-home | zimba12: you might want to inspect dpkg/apt/aptitude logs and read /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 21:29.03 | jelly-home | or start from a clean system |
| 21:29.27 | zimba12 | mmm |
| 21:29.32 | zimba12 | what do you suggest? |
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| 21:34.17 | zimba12 | jelly-home: can I downgrade libstdc++ from testing to stable |
| 21:34.19 | zimba12 | ? |
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| 21:37.50 | debish | does anyone know any LIMP app for Debian? |
| 21:38.04 | debish | (LIMP or LIMP-like, doesn't matter) |
| 21:38.13 | jelly-home | zimba12: you can try. |
| 21:38.18 | daemonkeeper | A what? |
| 21:38.26 | zimba12 | jelly-home: how do I do? |
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| 21:38.48 | jelly-home | zimba12: did you ask dpkg about "partial downgrad" |
| 21:38.50 | jelly-home | e |
| 21:39.10 | jelly-home | zimba12: and did you remove all non-stable sources |
| 21:39.21 | zimba12 | how do I do the first? |
| 21:39.41 | jelly-home | zimba12: in your irc client, type /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 21:39.46 | Cybertinus | http://paste.debian.net/123044/ <-- I am missing something obvious. Why can't chroot find the file that really is there? |
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| 21:40.37 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: is that bash linked statically or dynamically |
| 21:40.54 | debish | daemonkeeper, I refer to a software to integrate data coming from a lab |
| 21:40.57 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: it is a copy from the real /bin/bash |
| 21:41.51 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: so it's linked dynamically, you need to put all the libraries it needs into the chroot as well. You're also going to need the ELF binary loader (typically at /lib/ld-linux*) |
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| 21:42.44 | jelly-home | and then it's probably going to fail for a different reason -- that's called progress |
| 21:44.27 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: hmm, ok. Weird that not everything needed is copied :S. I used a Debian script to create that chroot /bin directory |
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| 21:45.10 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: but I'm gonna find out what is needed exactly and copy the rest |
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| 21:45.25 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: or can I link it statically in some easy way? |
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| 21:50.14 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: what debian script did you use? |
| 21:50.57 | tessellated | Hi, I just tried to '/msg dpkg guidelines', but got no reply. |
| 21:51.26 | jelly-home | Cybertinus: you might want to read its documentation better, see if there are bugs filed against its package and file one if it doesn't do its job |
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| 21:52.08 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: I've used /usr/share/doc/libpam-chroot/examples/setup-chrootdir-shell.sh |
| 21:52.26 | jelly-home | tessellated: that's a bit weird. If you have a freenode account, try to identify first |
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| 21:54.06 | tessellated | jelly-home: I see. I've got no account yet. Gonna set one up... :) |
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| 21:56.04 | Cybertinus | jelly-home: thnx for al the help sofar. I'm gonna continue this at some other time. I'm really tired right now. I thought it was gonna be a simple thing (just set a few config things in /etc/ssh/sshd_config), but it turns out to be a lot more work. Gonna do that sometime. Gonna Google on it some more too. Thnx again |
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| 21:58.29 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 21:59.15 | abaddon | hi, on debian wheezy, i have a problem with the systemsettings config screen for kdm, it has a message on the top that i cant save the config and it wont let me, trying with kdesu or directly logging in with root gives the same result.. any ideas? |
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| 22:00.02 | abaddon | a couple of weeks ago i _think_ it was working ok, this is a re-install and i know i previously was able to edit those |
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| 22:01.31 | abaddon | i think im missing something from the install, because the previous install apt-get installed the recommends automatically, and now i made it not to, .. could anyone on wheezy maybe provide me a ps aux for comparison? |
| 22:01.49 | boudiccas | abaddon; try sudo'ing in |
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| 22:02.16 | abaddon | i tried with kdesu, and it was running as root + actually logged in as root in kdm |
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| 22:06.39 | tessellated | Hi all! I'm looking for a way to tell apt-get to not download all the 15Mb lists when I make an update, just want the difference if possible, or just the files that have changed since last time. |
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| 22:07.06 | jhutchins_lt | tessellated: That's how it works. |
| 22:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | tessellated: Just the updates. |
| 22:07.31 | edbian | In open office 3 many of the menus have square blocks instead of menus on the gui. How can I fix this? Am I missing a font or something? |
| 22:08.03 | tessellated | So the ~15Mb is okay, every day? I'm on prepaid... :) |
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| 22:08.42 | tessellated | jhutchins_lt: Or perhaps I am misreading the optput of 'apt-get update'? |
| 22:08.43 | wols | tessellated: what debian are you using? |
| 22:08.58 | tessellated | wols: Ubuntu Natty |
| 22:09.00 | wols | and what are your apt.conf settings? cause by default only diffs are downloaded |
| 22:09.19 | wols | tessellated: then you need to learn to read. this isn't #ubuntu, is it? |
| 22:10.10 | wols | tessellated: you now have first hand knowledge why it is stupid to ask in #debian if you run ubuntu: cause debian things don't apply to your distro. now please go back to #ubuntu. |
| 22:10.26 | tessellated | wols: sorry. I'll try there. :) |
| 22:10.27 | zimba12 | jelly-home: I remember why I needed packages from testing. I need Qt 4.7.0 |
| 22:10.36 | zimba12 | jelly-home: how else can I get them? |
| 22:10.46 | wols | zimba12: you backport |
| 22:10.56 | zimba12 | which means? |
| 22:11.02 | jelly-home | !backport |
| 22:11.02 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:11.11 | asarch | How can I find the vendor/model of the Bluetooth device_ |
| 22:11.12 | asarch | ? |
| 22:11.20 | asarch | lsusb doesn't anything |
| 22:11.20 | wols | asarch: lsusb usually |
| 22:11.31 | wols | then maybe it's not a usb device. |
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| 22:11.44 | jhutchins_lt | I think bluez utils has a method to probe. |
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| 22:12.01 | jhutchins_lt | asarch: What device do you believe you have? |
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| 22:12.29 | asarch | dmesg says: "[ 4.896639] Bluetooth: Generic Bluetooth USB driver ver 0.6" |
| 22:12.41 | asarch | And nothing more |
| 22:12.41 | jhutchins_lt | asarch: My Acer One is all set up for bluetooth, with a hotkey and everything, but there's no internal module, just an empty socket. |
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| 22:14.15 | asarch | This is lsusb: http://paste.debian.net/123046/ |
| 22:14.42 | abaddon | hey i fixed my problem by installing polkit-kde-1.. by doing a dpkg -l diff between when this was working and now |
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| 22:15.26 | zimba12 | wols: I need the qt libraries, does backport work in this case? |
| 22:15.42 | alfplayer | asarch: maybe it's the one with no name appearing on lsusb output |
| 22:16.08 | JyZyXEL | whats a good way to test local mail delivery? |
| 22:16.09 | alfplayer | you can try googling that pair of 4 number each pair |
| 22:16.31 | asarch | What can I do_ |
| 22:16.34 | asarch | ? |
| 22:17.07 | asarch | It doesn't detect any cellphone |
| 22:17.08 | alfplayer | if you can unplug it and it's gone from the output of lsusb then you know that's it |
| 22:17.11 | devil | asarch: lsusb -vv should give a usb-id |
| 22:17.33 | devil | asarch: looks like [yyyy:xxxx] |
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| 22:17.56 | devil | asarch: that is unique (mostly) and helps identifying |
| 22:18.09 | alfplayer | lsusb with no arguments show that too on my system |
| 22:18.24 | alfplayer | you can google this: 10f1:1a16 |
| 22:18.37 | alfplayer | (that's from your paste) |
| 22:19.09 | wols | zimba12: it always works. it's just the question how much work is needed and how many dependencies you might have to backport |
| 22:19.45 | zimba12 | it seems there are not qt in backports |
| 22:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | I believe it's lsusb -nn to get the ID number. |
| 22:19.55 | asarch | Bus 007 Device 002: ID 148f:1000 Ralink Technology, Corp. |
| 22:20.00 | jhutchins_lt | -vv might work as well. |
| 22:20.07 | devil | jhutchins_lt: isnt -nn for lspci? |
| 22:20.18 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 22:20.24 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
| 22:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | devil: Yes, USB. |
| 22:20.31 | jelly-home | zimba12: no, Qt is depended upon by many packages, it would not be easy to replace the system one with a newer version without braking something |
| 22:20.49 | wols | !rt3090 |
| 22:20.50 | dpkg | The vendor driver for Ralink RT3090/RT3091/RT3092 PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices (rt3090sta) was merged in <rt2860sta> at Linux 2.6.33. In Debian 2.6.32 kernel images, rt3090sta was replaced with a backported rt2860sta driver in linux-2.6 2.6.32-18 (BTS #588863). Firmware is required (rt3090.bin), ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
| 22:20.51 | jelly-home | breaking* |
| 22:21.03 | zimba12 | so what can I do? |
| 22:21.18 | zimba12 | i need to compile something that requires qt4.7 |
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| 22:21.20 | alfplayer | hey, he's got the id already |
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| 22:22.35 | alfplayer | asarch: you know it's that Ralink ? |
| 22:22.55 | asarch | Take a look: http://paste.debian.net/123049/ |
| 22:23.29 | asarch | It seems that the same Wi-Fi wireless card work as the Bluetooth device (correct me if I am wrong) |
| 22:23.54 | alfplayer | asarch: i think that's very unlikely |
| 22:25.17 | alfplayer | even if the same card does both things, there should be two entries on lsusb |
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| 22:26.18 | asarch | But it actually is a Ralink, isn't it? |
| 22:26.54 | alfplayer | as i said, if that's the wi-fi, then probably no |
| 22:26.55 | edbian | Is anything wrong with my sources.list ? |
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| 22:27.09 | wols | it's a ralink bluetooth |
| 22:27.42 | edbian | http://paste.debian.net/123050/ |
| 22:27.45 | edbian | hahaha ^ |
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| 22:28.13 | asarch | Which model? |
| 22:28.20 | alfplayer | i see that too, wols: Ralink... bDeviceProtocol 1 Bluetooth |
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| 22:29.23 | tessellated | wols: man, that #ubuntu is crowded with noobs, I actually walking someone through booting a live CD... :) also I thought debian/ubuntu were friends, and figured an apt question would be appropriate to ask here. again sorry to bother you. |
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| 22:31.05 | Bushmills | tessellated: naw that's fine. once all #ubuntu folks are on debian, people here can simply squat the then-empty #ubuntu channel |
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| 22:32.14 | alfplayer | asarch: is it turned on ? |
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| 22:32.45 | asarch | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3498 |
| 22:32.51 | asarch | It seems it is a bug |
| 22:33.01 | asarch | Yes alfplayer, it is on |
| 22:33.02 | alfplayer | asarch, i've seen that too |
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| 22:36.47 | alfplayer | asarch: is a laptop? maybe you can search for info about bluetooth on that laptop model instead |
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| 22:39.04 | bob_ | has anyone had trouble with suspend in debian? I attempt to suspend, and it will take me to the lock screen, but my PC never suspends |
| 22:39.50 | alfplayer | suspend and hibernate is a popular problem |
| 22:40.17 | asarch | Let me reboot |
| 22:40.20 | asarch | BRB! |
| 22:40.36 | bob_ | alfplayer, any way to solve this popular problem? |
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| 22:41.27 | alfplayer | i've seen a thread about it on forums.debian.net |
| 22:41.47 | alfplayer | there are probably many |
| 22:41.49 | bob_ | alfplayer, there are plenty of threads |
| 22:41.55 | bob_ | but none that has a solution |
| 22:42.18 | alfplayer | well, you know how it is |
| 22:42.52 | alfplayer | how you searched for info about suspending your hardware? |
| 22:43.17 | alfplayer | that may help and may give you a solution |
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| 22:47.48 | voyo | hi, Im having troubles with kernel for xen, any1 can help here ? |
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| 22:48.32 | rudi_s | !tell voyo about ask |
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| 22:51.27 | voyo | problem is - orginal kernel from debian (vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64) + Xen 4.0 hypervisor is working fine. |
| 22:51.27 | voyo | but I want to have my own compiled kernel. I tried to get /boot/config-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 and using this I compiled few kernels (3.0.0rc7, 2.6.35.13, and 2.6.32 downloaded with apt-get). unfortunatelly all these kernel are refusing to work under hypervisor. (but are working standalone). |
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| 22:53.31 | voyo | Im not expecting my problem, I just need some advices regarding this. |
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| 22:54.00 | voyo | I suspect maybe I dont have some particular patches which are applied on "orginal" debian kernel... any1 ? |
| 22:55.27 | simonlnu | if you didn't patch them, certainly |
| 22:55.59 | voyo | simonlnu: how to get these patches ? |
| 22:56.08 | simonlnu | from the repo |
| 22:56.19 | voyo | pfff .. from the internet? :P |
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| 23:26.43 | Amnesia | why isnt mkisofs available on squeeze? |
| 23:27.44 | sinisterstuf | is it easy to put a password on a directory, perhaps so that with no password its contents is encrypted? |
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| 23:29.13 | mentor | sinisterstuf: Sounds like you want an encrypted loop mount |
| 23:29.15 | voyo | sinisterstuf: you can use encryptfs for that |
| 23:29.39 | sinisterstuf | thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into those |
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| 23:51.32 | Baribal | Hi. Is there a shell utility that's something like a top-per-core? I've got ssh access to a box running a project of which I suspect that a part of it hogs the whole of one CPU, but as it isn't parallelized (I suspect), it still chokes up while all the other cores are nearly idling. I need to veri- or falsify that, how do I do that? |
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| 23:52.40 | devil | Baribal: i guess, htop is not an option? |
| 23:53.12 | Baribal | No idea, never heard of it before a few seconds ago. Why shouldn't it be? |
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| 23:54.47 | devil | Baribal: its ncurse-based |
| 23:55.04 | Angstrom_ | I'm having problems compiling a file: I get "expected initializer before `_X_SENTINEL' errors |
| 23:55.19 | Angstrom_ | My code/problem URL is http://pastebin.com/dR5iysVH |
| 23:55.47 | Baribal | I remember "ncurses" as "the thing that'll make you curse if you code for it"... Are there further implications that I should be aware of? |
| 23:56.26 | Angstrom_ | this is a debian-specific problem because it was phased out of debian but not ubuntu or fedora |
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| 23:56.26 | Baribal | I'm running it right now on the test server and it looks fine. Gorgeous even. |
| 23:56.29 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.32 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.34 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.44 | Baribal | I assume that the numbered lines at the top are processor usage? |
| 23:57.01 | Angstrom_ | no the lines at the top are the real lines of the .cpp file, the bottom has the error message |
| 23:57.06 | Angstrom_ | again that's 19:56 -!- Tabmow [tabmow@freenode/staff/tabmow] has quit [Remote host closed |
| 23:57.09 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.12 | Angstrom_ | 19:56 < Angstrom_> this is a debian-specific problem because it was phased out |
| 23:57.13 | Angstrom_ | http://pastebin.com/dR5iysVH |
| 23:57.15 | Angstrom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.50 | Angstrom_ | When do people usually get answered in ths channel |
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| 23:58.27 | Baribal | Angstrom_, I think we're having different conversations... I'm talking (mostly to devil, it seems) about htop. |
| 23:58.33 | Angstrom_ | aah |
| 23:59.05 | devil | Baribal: i got lines from 1-8 |
| 23:59.32 | Baribal | 1 and 2 here, let me check the production server... |
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