| 00:00.26 | subuser | so long as the dynamic linker has a way to find the file's, the links could point to other directories that it can find |
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| 00:00.52 | juangh | Hi people |
| 00:00.59 | juangh | hi from Cuba |
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| 00:02.30 | juangh | There is any Latin people here?? |
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| 00:04.54 | aliesky | hello |
| 00:05.05 | aliesky | I installed a new linux server but when i try to use the forwarding my http requests go to the server address:80 |
| 00:05.11 | aliesky | any ideas? |
| 00:05.12 | juangh | Hello Aliesky |
| 00:05.46 | juangh | What are you trying to do?? |
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| 00:06.23 | abrotman | aliesky: isn't that a router problem ? |
| 00:07.00 | aliesky | it's a remote server |
| 00:07.18 | aliesky | and a can use port fowarding with a different server :-( |
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| 00:07.22 | aliesky | **i can |
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| 00:12.04 | abrotman | Pathin: you cannot speak in here as root |
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| 00:14.26 | aliesky | ideas please? |
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| 00:18.43 | lcb | hi. what's the command to check an installed dialup modem? (laptop pc) |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | check it how? |
| 00:19.17 | abrotman | or for what? |
| 00:19.23 | lcb | abrotman: the type, model, ports etc |
| 00:19.34 | abrotman | lspci -nn might be a good start |
| 00:19.40 | lcb | ok, thanks |
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| 00:22.07 | aliesky | help |
| 00:24.25 | lcb | abrotman: i used lspci before, now with -nn, both don't give me the modem as installed. is there any other way? i need to check if it's voice modem or data/fax as i recall being under win. |
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| 00:24.54 | abrotman | lcb: are you sure it's PCI ? |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:24.57 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 00:25.00 | lcb | abrotman: btw, it's a server installation, non graphical |
| 00:25.05 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:25.52 | lcb | so no graphical way of discovering the hardware info... btw, hardinfo might be useful |
| 00:26.36 | micols | is there any way to get ssh to timeout for 1 user only, the sshd timeout option only supports all users at once? |
| 00:26.45 | Big_Brother | anyone know how to fix a mdadm RAID5? for some reason a newly created array has one 'spare' and one 'failed' drive already. |
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| 00:27.01 | micols | Big_Brother: yes, just a moment |
| 00:27.02 | Lenin_Cat | whats the package for gnome 3 to download? |
| 00:27.08 | micols | Big_Brother: mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 00:27.22 | micols | find the failed drive |
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| 00:27.51 | ws2k3 | hello guys on a clean installation of debian 6 amd64 i installed ftpd the ftp deamon i allways use but when i try to connect i get time out |
| 00:28.00 | micols | mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/newdrive |
| 00:28.16 | ws2k3 | how can i verify if its started or so? |
| 00:28.17 | micols | else if that doesn't work, do mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/faileddrive first |
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| 00:28.46 | Big_Brother | micols: /dev/md0 does not seem to be a md device. although, i did name the array this and 'cat /proc/mdstat' says there's an 'md0' array. |
| 00:29.29 | micols | did you start it? |
| 00:29.35 | abrotman | lcb: you said it's a server .. why woudl you want a GUI method? |
| 00:29.53 | micols | mdadm -A /dev/md0 |
| 00:29.53 | Big_Brother | micols: doesn't it start automagically right after initialization ? |
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| 00:30.00 | ws2k3 | soembody any advice?> |
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| 00:30.03 | micols | usually it starts automatically |
| 00:30.10 | micols | but not always |
| 00:30.13 | Big_Brother | mm |
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| 00:30.41 | ws2k3 | yeah i know normaly it start automaticly but i already rebooted and still nothing |
| 00:30.41 | micols | ls /dev/md* |
| 00:30.42 | lcb | abrotman: for several reasons but in this case i want to run an answering machine on that. other, it's just a server (web, mail, storage - mainly) |
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| 00:30.58 | micols | for i in /dev/md*;do mdadm --detail $i;done |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | lcb: wtf does a GUI have to do with that? |
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| 00:31.10 | lcb | abrotman: ressources |
| 00:31.30 | lcb | resources, i mean |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | lcb: i have no idea what you're trying to say .. you don't needa GUI to find out what hardware you have |
| 00:32.38 | lcb | ahh ok, i see what you mean. i know there are several frontends to check hardware. but i found out already the correct commands > output |
| 00:32.50 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 00:33.40 | Big_Brother | micols: /dev/md0 is not in the config file. o.o |
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| 00:34.39 | lcb | abrotman: example: sudo lshw > lshw_output | or hardinfo > whatever_results |
| 00:34.58 | lcb | abrotman: i only needed to refresh my mem. thanks |
| 00:36.40 | ws2k3 | someone any advice? |
| 00:37.05 | micols | Big_Brother: edit /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 00:37.08 | micols | it is likely broken |
| 00:37.15 | micols | take a backup first of it |
| 00:37.19 | Big_Brother | k |
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| 00:37.39 | micols | if /proc/mdstat says md0, just add that to mdadm.conf and it will work |
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| 00:38.27 | Leon | Hello! |
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| 00:38.45 | Guest20323 | How can i install enlightenment on my debiAN? |
| 00:38.49 | Big_Brother | micols: under # definitions, i just add /dev/md0 ? |
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| 00:40.11 | alfplayer | guest, what version of E and debian ? |
| 00:40.19 | Guest20323 | any1? |
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| 00:41.13 | alfplayer | in squeeze, i think the old version is in the repos and the new one needs a little manual job to be installed |
| 00:41.22 | Guest20323 | Hello!! |
| 00:41.25 | alfplayer | i don't know on wheezy |
| 00:41.32 | abrotman | Guest20323: apt-cache search enlightenment .. |
| 00:41.57 | electron70 | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 00:43.30 | subuser | should it be considered a segfault when you use /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 to run a command that isn't dynamically linked? manually i mean, i guess by default a compiler would have the dynamic liker in a elf section so it know's it's needed, but just running a file with it directly logs teh linker as causing a segfault |
| 00:44.16 | subuser | maybe the checking would be a performance hinderance and it's just not used in the proper way |
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| 00:46.52 | subuser | eckh, i guess what is happening may be the linker looks for non-existance segments in the elf header which weren't loaded into memory by the kernel, and therefore have no virtual memory, so it's accessing a invalid address |
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| 00:47.34 | subuser | so not so much of a mystery why after all |
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| 00:48.55 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i installed a ftpserver on my machine after the installation i recieve this http://paste.debian.net/123130/ i never seen it before and i am unable to connect to my ftp server |
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| 00:51.47 | kvp | anyone know a way i can get a complete package for mercurial 1.9 ;x? |
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| 00:52.13 | digilink | ws2k3 give vsftpd a shot instead, much more robust and easier to configure, unless you specifically need to use this package.... just a suggestion :) |
| 00:52.43 | ws2k3 | digilink i already tryed vsftpd |
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| 00:53.05 | ws2k3 | but even when i log in with root and chmod the dir 777 i still get premisions denied |
| 00:53.33 | babilen | kvp: That version has not yet been packaged -- You could try a uupdate -- /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 00:53.56 | ws2k3 | i use the ftpd package for ages just quick un upload or something works out of the box nothing to be configurated i use it for years now. this is the first time it work after apt-get install ftpd |
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| 00:54.16 | ws2k3 | so i wish to use specificlly that package |
| 00:54.40 | Big_Brother | micols: what do i add in the config file and where? |
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| 00:57.17 | ws2k3 | anyone an idea why this dont work? |
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| 00:58.43 | kvp | babilen: what will that actually do? build from source? or is it preconfigured? i already had some problems with building from source, i hate scouring for depends :< |
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| 01:00.02 | mactimes | Hello there. |
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| 01:01.56 | kvp | and what's an upstream revision |
| 01:03.26 | mactimes | I currently have a working system (6.0) and I'm trying to add to two more RAID1 devices, which should partitions from two new SATA disks I've just installed. I create the md devices, include their UUID's in /etc/fstab, but when I reboot the computer, my MD devices are gone (I have some previously set during install on IDE disks, which are working like a charm). Could someone give me a hand on this? |
| 01:04.50 | babilen | kvp: It allows you to package the new version of mercurial yourself. It has not yet been packaged. Why do you need that particular version? It has been released 14 days ago. ;) |
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| 01:05.25 | babilen | kvp: upstream revision == stable release version from upstream (i.e. mercurial) |
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| 01:06.55 | kvp | oh |
| 01:07.04 | kvp | well i guess i need version 1.7 really |
| 01:07.12 | kvp | i had thew error: abort: requirement 'dotencode' not supported |
| 01:07.21 | kvp | and apparently that was introduced in 1.7 |
| 01:07.42 | marsfligth | how to create a new menu into Gnome panel instead to use the drawer applet? |
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| 01:08.21 | kvp | don't know where i got 1.9 from =p |
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| 01:09.05 | babilen | kvp: In that case you can easily install 1.8.3 from squeeze-backports. Please see http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ and run "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install mercurial" afterwards. |
| 01:09.38 | kvp | great, thanks |
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| 01:12.22 | abrotman | !tell Pathin about root |
| 01:12.41 | ArdRigh | hi all, is debian testing currently stable enough to be used for a production mail server? |
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| 01:13.32 | abrotman | hell no, for a lot of reasons |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | there are no security updates currently for testing |
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| 01:14.31 | ArdRigh | i am thinking of using the newer dovecot and postfix releases |
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| 01:27.57 | pdtpatrick1 | do u guys know of anything similar to rc-status in debian ?? something like daemon tools where is i can type sstat and it shows all services running and how long they've been up ? |
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| 01:33.01 | boudiccas | pdtpatrick; would top do? |
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| 01:35.54 | tertl3 | hello, I am trying out Debian(crunchbang) for the first time |
| 01:36.26 | boudiccas | tertl3; so? :) |
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| 01:38.48 | tertl3 | so far so good :) RAM usage is lowest I've encountered |
| 01:39.11 | tertl3 | there arent many distros that ship with only Openbox |
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| 01:39.22 | Phosphenes | If you're low on RAM, try using lxde. |
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| 01:39.46 | boudiccas | tertl3; be aware that crunchbang is not 'true' debian, so youre unlikely to get full support for it here |
| 01:39.56 | babilen | tertl3: You are probably looking for #crunchbang not #debian though :) -- openbox is availale in Debian too, if you ever want to try the original |
| 01:39.58 | DetroitLibertyPe | likes Phosphenses comment on LXDE |
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| 01:40.28 | tertl3 | what are the differences between crunch and original? |
| 01:40.33 | babilen | boudiccas: "unlikely to get full support" is actualy "crunchbang is absolutely unsupported here" :) |
| 01:40.36 | pdtpatrick1 | boudiccas, no not top. I want to be able to log into the box. Type sstat or something and then it would show all services monitored and how long they have been up |
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| 01:41.00 | boudiccas | tertl3; no idea, i only use debian |
| 01:41.07 | babilen | tertl3: No idea, ask crunchbang what they've changed. We can not keep track of the million other distributions that are based on Debian. |
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| 01:41.50 | boudiccas | babilen; i didnt think that it was supported here but wasnt too sure, hence the way that i phrased it :) |
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| 01:42.45 | babilen | boudiccas: Sure! Only Debian is supported here. That makes it easy and all the "based on Debian" distributions typically have their own channels or forums somewhere. |
| 01:43.34 | boudiccas | babilen; thanks, i'll bear that in mind for the future :) |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | boudiccas: if it's not Debian, it's not supported .. |
| 01:44.36 | pdtpatrick1 | boudiccas, something that uses: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 01:44.57 | abrotman | boudiccas: most, if not all, of the based-on-debian distros have their own channel |
| 01:45.52 | Phosphenes | There's a good chance that whatever distro you use has a self-named channel on freenode. |
| 01:46.21 | boudiccas | pdtpatrick; there isa deb of daemontools, just fyi |
| 01:46.24 | tertl3 | Phosphenes, it does, but its rather sparse |
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| 01:49.43 | abrotman | tertl3: that's not our problem, you want to use crunchbang, use their channel for support |
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| 02:09.06 | jhambo | do I have to completely uninstall alsa to get oss4 to work? |
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| 02:21.59 | IanWizard-Cloud_ | Would someone in here please be so kind as to ask an OP in ##linux about my ban? (Presumably a mask mistake, since I have pissed anyone in there off in nearly a year :P |
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| 02:24.26 | abrotman | IanWizard-Cloud_: why would you come to #debian .. go to #freenode |
| 02:24.27 | Phosphenes | IanWizard-Cloud_: There are currently no ops in ##linux O.o |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. still has nothing to do with #debian |
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| 02:24.42 | stew | IanWizard-Cloud_: ask in ##linux-ops |
| 02:25.02 | IanWizard-Cloud_ | Phosphenes: they all stay deopped,Psi and xeon are ops I know. |
| 02:25.21 | IanWizard-Cloud_ | abrotman: sorry, always forget that chan exists. (I said please :) ) |
| 02:25.36 | IanWizard-Cloud_ | Ok, I'll leave, thank you for setting me straight and what not. |
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| 02:26.56 | swilson06 | hummm, if you know the ops like that, you're either very active and missed or very contrary and not so missed |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | (if he means xeon-enouf, i doubt he's an op) |
| 02:28.42 | IanWizard-Cloud_ | swilson06: no, I just know who's in charge, not even sure about xeon, think he may be #kernel or somewhere else. |
| 02:28.57 | IanWizard-Cloud_ | Ah, as abrotman just pointed out. |
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| 02:30.04 | swilson06 | *shrugh*, i hang out quite a bit on irc.perl.org in about a dozen channels and barely know who the ops are (and they're pretty much all the same ops) |
| 02:30.22 | swilson06 | ... just saying |
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| 02:30.38 | swilson06 | maybe i never cared |
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| 02:49.34 | WormFood | anyone have any ideas why a specific usb mouse works fine on every other OS/distro except debian? |
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| 02:50.36 | swilson06 | what does lsusb say? |
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| 02:50.52 | WormFood | it reports the mouse as being present |
| 02:51.04 | WormFood | but it is not being registered properly somewhere |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | WormFood: did you look for a udev rule that might affect it? |
| 02:51.23 | WormFood | would debian have specific rules to prevent that mouse from working? |
| 02:51.27 | swilson06 | what does /var/log/messages say? |
| 02:51.31 | WormFood | no, I didn't look for that. Where would I find the rules for udev |
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| 02:51.50 | swilson06 | /etc/udev |
| 02:51.58 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.27 | swilson06 | hummmm..... thought udev logged to messages... must be wrong |
| 02:52.35 | swilson06 | sec, unless someone else knows |
| 02:52.40 | WormFood | I'm looking for the usb id now (the mouse is not connected this instant) |
| 02:53.04 | Bop | anyone used teamspeak before ? got some doubts |
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| 02:53.37 | WormFood | [99344.922348] input: USB+PS/2 Optical Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb6/6-1/6-1:1.0/input/input10 <-- I don't get lines like this with the other mouse. |
| 02:53.48 | swilson06 | ... i don't see an entry for udev under logrotate.d odd |
| 02:53.53 | Blue1 | what is teamspeak, Bop ? |
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| 02:54.08 | Bop | Blue1, a server for audio voice |
| 02:54.12 | Bop | and a client too |
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| 02:54.37 | Blue1 | Bop: I have looked for a speach to text thang in Linux - seems that is far far far behind. |
| 02:54.44 | Blue1 | speech even |
| 02:54.48 | Bop | no |
| 02:54.59 | Blue1 | yes different I understand |
| 02:55.05 | Bop | its for comunicating, like skype |
| 02:55.18 | swilson06 | WormFood: what does lsusb say on one vs the other... think there's probably flags to list properties (i just have vm and vps at my disposal) |
| 02:55.43 | swilson06 | heh, and no lsusb on this mac :) |
| 02:56.28 | lduros | does anybody know where I could find thunderbird 5 compatible with 64bit debian? When I go to the download page it gives me the 32bit version, which makes an error: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ |
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| 02:56.49 | lduros | just installed debian, and I like thunderbird 5 :-\ |
| 02:58.32 | abrotman | lduros: i doubt it's packaged yet .. only been out two days? |
| 02:59.10 | lduros | abrotman: but it's the same issue with firefox, if going to the download page it gives me the i686 version |
| 02:59.20 | swilson06 | i actually don't see anything if i 'apt-cache search thunderbird | grep thunderbird' |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | lduros: for iceweasel, we have mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:59.38 | lduros | abrotman: just got an answer on #firefox |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | swilson06: icedove in Debian |
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| 02:59.45 | swilson06 | ah |
| 02:59.52 | lduros | abrotman -- kbrosnan: lduros: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/5.0/linux-x86_64/ and similar for tb |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | !icelizard |
| 02:59.53 | dpkg | Icelizard is the collection of applications that replace popular Mozilla applications, currently listed as IceWeasel(Firefox), IceDove(Thunderbird), IceApe(SeaMonkey), IceOwl(Sunbird). |
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| 03:00.01 | abrotman | lduros: those aren't Debian packages? |
| 03:00.44 | WormFood | swilson06, I'm getting what info together that I have, so I can post to a pastebin |
| 03:00.44 | swilson06 | good god.... what is it with open source people not knowing how to brand stuff. ugh |
| 03:01.15 | swilson06 | WarmFood: ok, going to smoke, brb ~7 |
| 03:01.20 | lduros | abrotman: no, it's just as executables |
| 03:02.06 | Blue1 | lduros: I am runing ff 6.0 beta - 4.X locked up my 64 bit system. tbird 5.0 has an odd bug on the drop down menus. |
| 03:02.09 | swilson06 | ... though, ^^ these guys might be better... like i said, i just run virtual (haven't used usb directly under linux in a while |
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| 03:02.38 | lduros | Blue1: hmmm, I'll check this :-) |
| 03:03.12 | Blue1 | lduros: the ff 6 beta is very fast - and quite stable - but not many plugins for it. |
| 03:03.34 | lduros | Blue1: cool, maybe i'll stick to ff 5 until it gets released as stable :-) |
| 03:04.18 | Blue1 | lduros: private message ok? |
| 03:04.42 | lduros | ok |
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| 03:05.42 | WormFood | swilson06...and abrotman, if you want to see, this is what I get in my logs and lsusb for my mouse under debian http://pastebin.com/90HwkrvZ |
| 03:07.30 | WormFood | a quick search of the USB IDs show others having the same problem too..... |
| 03:09.27 | swilson06 | looking... |
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| 03:13.33 | abrotman | WormFood: did oyu look for a udev rule ? |
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| 03:14.53 | swilson06 | ok, here, plug in your other mouse and do a udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/input/input10 |
| 03:15.03 | swilson06 | (i think) |
| 03:15.27 | adminewb | Anything I can do to halt the 10sec period polling of an unused HDMI port, to stop this sludge filling my consoles & logs? http://paste.debian.net/123107/; stock kernel somehow manages to squelch these after a while. |
| 03:15.27 | WormFood | no udevinfo |
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| 03:15.51 | swilson06 | then, copy the rule into a new file and replace your idvendor and idproduct |
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| 03:15.56 | swilson06 | hummm.... |
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| 03:17.03 | swilson06 | udevadm info |
| 03:18.26 | WormFood | that works |
| 03:19.17 | WormFood | I need to leave the house soon. I will work on this later. Hopefully I have enough info to make it works. Thanks for the help swilson06 and abrotman |
| 03:19.27 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 03:20.36 | swilson06 | yup. you're lucky google and my time are around :) |
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| 03:21.17 | swilson06 | (guess i could have passed through a usb device to virtualbox, but...) |
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| 03:46.47 | shantorn | does anyone have experience with debumblebee |
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| 04:00.27 | MSTRCNVS1 | why can't I remove applications like Tomboy, Epiphany, it looks they are locked with gnome and gnome needs to be removed with they |
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| 04:00.54 | MSTRCNVS1 | why can't I remove applications like Tomboy, Epiphany, it looks they are locked with gnome and gnome needs to be removed with they |
| 04:01.01 | MSTRCNVS1 | //nick MSTRCNVS |
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| 04:01.54 | swilson06 | and when you try to remove them? |
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| 04:02.44 | swilson06 | better question: why do you want to remove them? |
| 04:03.30 | MSTRCNVS | cause I don't use them, I don't want they taking space in my menu and creating configuration files I don't want |
| 04:03.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh |
| 04:06.19 | babilen | !tell MSTRCNVS -about remove rhythmbox |
| 04:06.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps How do i mount a Partition i copied off with DD? |
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| 04:06.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | from a HD |
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| 04:07.14 | swilson06 | -o loop |
| 04:07.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 04:07.43 | babilen | MSTRCNVS: That explains how to remove rhythmbox, but the general strategy is the same. You could also just install one/some of the smaller gnome metapckages and let it remove the rest. Run 'aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 PKG2" for all packages you want to keep |
| 04:08.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.16 | babilen | MSTRCNVS: If you want to learn about the applicable metapackages ask dpkg about "install gnome" |
| 04:08.50 | swilson06 | also, if you want a slimmer system, use debootstrap from the beginning. |
| 04:08.52 | MSTRCNVS | babilen: thank you |
| 04:09.15 | swilson06 | i don't know if you *really* want that though |
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| 04:10.04 | swilson06 | ... most people don't really care about 100M of disk space when they have 0.3TB of the shit they're never going to use |
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| 04:11.03 | swilson06 | if anything they do 'service thing stop' to free up ram / cpu cycles and that does them just fine. it's another story if you have a multi user box, but i don't think that fits you either |
| 04:11.11 | swilson06 | ..... dammit he left |
| 04:11.22 | swilson06 | talks to himself |
| 04:11.40 | lduros | hi i copied firefox binaries into /opt/firefox, and now if i do /opt/firefox/./firefox it loads firefox. What would I have to do to have it execute when I type firefox -- do I have to add it to the path? |
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| 04:12.45 | babilen | lduros: Yes, sure. Any particular reason why you don't use iceweasel as packaged by Debian? |
| 04:12.49 | wols | lduros: why didn't ins simply install thw package? |
| 04:13.03 | wols | s/ins/you/ |
| 04:13.05 | lduros | babilen wols: i wanted to have firefox 5 |
| 04:13.20 | wols | lduros: that is available from mozilla.debian.netr |
| 04:13.22 | wols | lduros: that is available from mozilla.debian.net |
| 04:13.32 | babilen | ... release suite that is |
| 04:13.34 | lduros | wols: ok |
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| 04:13.49 | babilen | http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
| 04:13.57 | lduros | wols: even for 64bit? |
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| 04:14.04 | babilen | creates a new completion for mdn ;) |
| 04:14.07 | babilen | lduros: yes |
| 04:14.11 | lduros | wols: so I'd have to add it to my software sources right? |
| 04:15.04 | wols | yes |
| 04:15.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey if my images are coming from a damaged disk am i going to be able to mount them? |
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| 04:15.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am using dd_rescue to make them. |
| 04:16.53 | swilson06 | damaged disk? and you have a backup of said disk? |
| 04:16.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | no |
| 04:17.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am making an image with DD_rescue |
| 04:17.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | once i do that will i be able to mount them and read them: |
| 04:17.40 | swilson06 | ok, well after dd gets done (if it gets done) make a copy and try |
| 04:17.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 04:17.58 | swilson06 | if it gets the table and other metadata, probably |
| 04:18.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 04:18.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | its ntfs too :( |
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| 04:18.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | I think its hosed, but it's not mine hehe |
| 04:18.40 | swilson06 | refer to a post on the debian mailing list ~1.5 weeks ago |
| 04:19.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | which was? |
| 04:19.10 | swilson06 | if you can dd it, you're ahead of that dude |
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| 04:19.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | heh |
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| 04:19.40 | swilson06 | donno, google. there aren't too many file recovery issues within the past 2 weeks |
| 04:19.41 | lduros | wols: W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 04:19.41 | lduros | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 04:20.03 | lduros | when i try apt-get update |
| 04:20.05 | lduros | :-\ |
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| 04:20.23 | g0ldfish | downloading debian DVD using jigdo, how to tell when it's going to finishing |
| 04:20.36 | swilson06 | btw, the dude was using xfs <- something to help with your google |
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| 04:22.17 | simonlnu | lduros: wait a few minutes, maybe it was getting updated |
| 04:22.41 | simonlnu | though it worked for me using iceweasel-beta |
| 04:23.05 | swilson06 | wonders when they will stop providing dvd images... such a waste |
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| 04:24.52 | mns | is anyone getting problems uploading documents to Google Docs ? I'm using Iceweasel/Google Chrome/Chromium and none of them give me the complete upload menu. All I see is "Settings" and "Learn More" neither of which do anything. |
| 04:24.59 | debinst22 | hi all, I'm getting grub error "incompatible license" then grub rescue mode even after re-installing grub in rescue mode from CD. (clean install of 6.0.2.1) |
| 04:25.17 | babilen | lduros: Which line did you use? |
| 04:26.54 | g0ldfish | is there a way to tell how long jigdo download is going to take/ |
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| 04:27.22 | mns | g0ldfish: not that I'm aware of. |
| 04:27.25 | wols | debinst22: is this all you see? |
| 04:27.46 | debinst22 | wols, yes, then grub rescue> |
| 04:28.03 | swilson06 | curious, is there any way of seeing which version of kvm is being run from within the vm? |
| 04:28.11 | debinst22 | wols, I had linux-mint debian ed installed, which is based on testing, then I installed stabled debian. |
| 04:28.46 | swilson06 | my vps uses kvm and i've read that there are issues with older kvm and grub2 and haven't gotten around to calling them yet.... |
| 04:30.28 | babilen | lduros: Hmm? |
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| 04:31.49 | debinst22 | can squeeze boot of an ext4 root? |
| 04:31.56 | lduros | babilen: what? I was d/c for a while, maybe i missed something since I posted the text. I just exported the path to /opt/ for now, a solution that works. |
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| 04:32.44 | babilen | lduros: Ah, I was asking which line you used in your sources.list as it looks as if you used the wrong one. |
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| 04:33.02 | lduros | deb http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 04:33.07 | lduros | i think |
| 04:33.10 | lduros | i took it off now |
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| 04:33.42 | babilen | lduros: If you look at that website it clearly says to use "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release" -- could you try that please? |
| 04:33.54 | lduros | I didn't see any website |
| 04:34.03 | lduros | wols just told me to use mozilla.debian.net |
| 04:34.04 | babilen | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 04:34.17 | lduros | ok |
| 04:34.55 | babilen | nice error -- wols: keep in mind to add the http:// ;) |
| 04:35.18 | swilson06 | dude, did you even google? http://www.johannes-eva.net/how-to-install-firefox-on-ubuntu-linux |
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| 04:35.26 | lduros | babilen: ok works now |
| 04:35.39 | lduros | except for that: W: GPG error: http://mozilla.debian.net squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 85A3D26506C4AE2A |
| 04:35.59 | babilen | swilson06: Why is that relevant? |
| 04:36.12 | swilson06 | he was trying to install ff5, no? |
| 04:36.27 | babilen | lduros: That is also explained on http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 04:36.53 | lduros | babilen: so now that i have the source in there, how can I install the latest firefox? CUrrently I have no browser |
| 04:36.55 | babilen | swilson06: There are repositories maintained by Debian's mozilla packaging team. |
| 04:37.04 | adminewb | any particular reason why udev would not populate my /dev/i2c* nodes? i2c kernel modules are present and dmesg indicates it's probing such hardware; interesting syslog item though: "udevd[384]: specified group 'i2c' unknown" |
| 04:37.12 | babilen | lduros: Please read the website, it is *all* explained there :) |
| 04:37.26 | lduros | babilen: no browser, i'll install lynx then |
| 04:37.44 | lduros | :-P |
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| 04:38.21 | babilen | lduros: Ah, hang on -- Just run "aptitude install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel" |
| 04:38.53 | babilen | but w3m, links2 or lynx should be installed. |
| 04:39.46 | debinst22 | I think I see the problem, no idea how to fix. cd/install sees my HD as sdb (second as sda) but when booting of HD it's other way around |
| 04:39.57 | lduros | babilen: ok looks like it's working. thanks. installed epiphany meanwhile :-P |
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| 04:40.51 | babilen | wonderful |
| 04:41.09 | lduros | iceweasel is working now |
| 04:41.20 | lduros | I don't understand why debian renames firefox iceweasel :-P |
| 04:41.27 | lduros | is it over copyright of the logo? |
| 04:41.31 | gnarface | yes |
| 04:41.33 | lduros | and trademark or something? |
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| 04:41.54 | wols | lduros: it's a trademark reason. and mozilla lawyers didn't allow debian to use the firefox name and artwork |
| 04:42.08 | gnarface | they took away debian's right to use the logo over dispute about a debian-specific change to the packaging |
| 04:42.09 | lduros | wols: ok |
| 04:42.15 | wols | !tell lduros about why iceweasel |
| 04:42.17 | gnarface | (i think it was a security patch) |
| 04:43.00 | lduros | it's kind of a shame |
| 04:43.24 | gnarface | it is |
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| 04:43.52 | lduros | this sort of issues within the free community is counter-productive |
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| 04:44.34 | subuser | one more time i'm going to see if somebody can explain this problem to me.. i apologize for any redundancy - what i'm trying to figure out is how the -lc in a ld command string will be resolved to /lib/libc.so.6 - the ld manual says that the name given after -l gets expanded to libname.so while it searches for the library (and then .a if none is found) - but onmy computer at least, there is this 'real name' such as /lib/libc-2.11.2.so, a soname such as 'lib |
| 04:45.15 | subuser | the ld manual page didn't offer a explaination for this type of functionality, and i'm left to think of it as a first found libc.so match in the library |
| 04:46.34 | lduros | is there a package/source for gnome3 at this point? |
| 04:47.04 | babilen | !tell lduros -about gnome3 |
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| 04:47.19 | lduros | babilen: thanks |
| 04:47.24 | wols | subuser: libname.so is pretty always a symlink to libname-x.x.x-so so it maybe just follows the links? |
| 04:47.42 | lduros | babilen: thanks. |
| 04:47.44 | babilen | lduros: It will never be in squeeze though and I doubt that it will be backported. I wouldn't play with it for now. |
| 04:47.49 | lduros | !tell lduros -about wheezy |
| 04:48.01 | babilen | lduros: /msg dpkg wheezy |
| 04:48.29 | subuser | yeah, i think the meaning why they separate them into symlinks is so you don't have to rebuild program's when their shared libraries are upgraded - the soname is a symlink to the particular library itself, the linkname is a symlink to the soname and would probably be the one found in a executable |
| 04:48.31 | lduros | cool |
| 04:48.33 | lduros | thanks |
| 04:48.41 | debinst22 | ok, maybe not. even in grub rescue, when I try to insmod normal I get "error: incompatible license" |
| 04:48.50 | subuser | but most distro's it seems don't use the linkname like that |
| 04:48.50 | adminewb | any reason why udev would not populate my /dev/i2c* nodes? i2c kernel modules are present and log messages indicate it's probing some such hardware; isolated syslog item though: "udevd[384]: specified group 'i2c' unknown" |
| 04:48.53 | babilen | lduros: You also don't want to run wheezy if you can't handle broken systems. And no, I will not walk you through that in #debian-next ;) |
| 04:49.05 | lduros | ok |
| 04:49.20 | lduros | thanks |
| 04:49.34 | debinst22 | I can't boot at all now, even after using rescue mode and re-installing grub. Can anyone please give me some directions from here? |
| 04:49.48 | babilen | lduros: But feel free to do what you want. I would strongly recommend to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable and think about that before you even consider to run wheezy. |
| 04:49.48 | ArdRigh | lduros: still lot of issues in gnome 3 |
| 04:50.30 | babilen | lduros: That being said: it'll probably be a while until gnome3 is ready for prime-time on Debian. The gnome team is trying to get it right and that takes some time. |
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| 04:52.40 | subuser | it's no big deal really to know about, but i'm a curious person - if the linker only tries to open libc.so in each of its search paths, the .6 would throw it way off, so somehow it's maybe reading the directory until it finds the first libc.so string regardless of the .6 and opening that |
| 04:53.02 | wols | subuser: no |
| 04:53.07 | subuser | i'm not enough of a hacker or programmer to be able to find that in the linker's source code, so i figure i'd ask |
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| 04:53.51 | wols | if you simply link to libc.so then that is what is opened and nothing else, same as when you link expecitly to a special version filename of that library |
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| 04:54.31 | subuser | which is what -lc expands to, but that's the thing, there is no libc.so file on my computer, the closest is libc.so.6 |
| 04:55.20 | subuser | oh wait.. there is libc.so in /usr/lib |
| 04:55.21 | wols | subuser: and which program links against libc.so only? |
| 04:55.39 | subuser | which isn't a link of any kind |
| 04:55.43 | wols | subuser: all the programs I can check with ldd link to libc.so.6 |
| 04:55.51 | subuser | yeah, same here |
| 04:56.00 | subuser | and if you notice that is a symblink to the real libc file |
| 04:56.16 | wols | which is a good thing since years ago we uses libc.so.5 and had a big mess in all linuxes to migrate to libc.so.6 |
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| 04:58.39 | subuser | that mess maybe could have been averted by having the all linked to /lib/libc.so instead of /lib/libc.so.5, then you could just make all of the /lib/libc.so pointers point to /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 05:01.13 | subuser | but that is what i think the linker is actually doing when it links a program for you, is given -lc , it will expand its search string to libc.so, and then the first one listed in your directories it will write into the executable file, in this case libc.so.6 is the only match in /lib, and it happens to point to libc-2.11.2.so -- that's what i'll lean on as my explaination until i know better, but it seems to be the most likely |
| 05:02.22 | subuser | since if you have something like /lib/libcap.so.2, the readdirent will get /lib/libcap.so.2 first and it will match libcap.so which is that symlink to /lib/libcap.so.2.19 |
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| 05:17.53 | Lenin_Cat | I am unable to mount fat16 filesystems |
| 05:18.11 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: That's odd. |
| 05:18.27 | aidalgol | How are you trying to mount them, and what error do you get? |
| 05:18.53 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, I put in a usb flash drive, and the other is a xD picture card, ill paste bin the error hold on |
| 05:19.42 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, http://pastebin.com/udrL6Vuq |
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| 05:20.46 | rorschach | Hello, I'm having some troubles with GDM since my last safe-upgrade in testing, somebody can help me? I have the debug log from GDM. |
| 05:23.13 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: What's `dmesg | tail' say? |
| 05:24.40 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, http://pastebin.com/j2AXShyV |
| 05:24.46 | rorschach | log http://paste.debian.net/123136/ |
| 05:25.41 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Well that's totally unhelpful. :P |
| 05:25.50 | aidalgol | How are you trying to mount it? |
| 05:26.20 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, through nautilus |
| 05:26.39 | aidalgol | rorschach: Nothing obviously wrong in that log. What's the symptom? |
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| 05:27.04 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Oh. Is this with all fat16 filesystems, or just this one? |
| 05:27.09 | pdtpatr1ck | WOW -- why does dropbox use so much memory on Ubuntu? Has anyone else run into that issue? |
| 05:27.18 | pdtpatr1ck | compiz also takes a lot of memory |
| 05:27.36 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, dunno, I have one fat16 device currently connected |
| 05:27.44 | Lenin_Cat | I think I should say yes |
| 05:27.49 | rorschach | aidalgol: after to choose a user, and enter the password, the GDM back to greeting screen |
| 05:27.59 | Lenin_Cat | all of them actually aidalgol. |
| 05:28.02 | Lenin_Cat | sorry |
| 05:28.06 | Lenin_Cat | I drank a little |
| 05:29.19 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Can you mount it by running pmount /dev/sda1 ? |
| 05:29.26 | aidalgol | *sdb1 |
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| 05:29.57 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, pmount isnt known, is it a program I should install? |
| 05:30.14 | Lenin_Cat | mount gives me this |
| 05:30.38 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, http://pastebin.com/zic9vmTu |
| 05:30.53 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: If you're using nautilus, you don't need pmount, but for mounting as an unprivileged user, you have to use pmount. |
| 05:31.08 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Heh, same error. :P |
| 05:31.20 | mercutio22 | whazzup? |
| 05:31.23 | Lenin_Cat | Wait, let meinstall pmount |
| 05:31.27 | Lenin_Cat | and see what happened |
| 05:31.39 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, same error |
| 05:32.13 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: *Now* what does dmesg | tail say? |
| 05:32.43 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, same thing as before |
| 05:33.03 | aidalgol | rorschach: Hmm, line 2 looks like a problem. |
| 05:33.14 | mercutio22 | rorschach: what is the bugger? |
| 05:33.49 | rorschach | mercutio22: http://paste.debian.net/123136 |
| 05:35.07 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Have you been able to mount fat16 filesystems recently? |
| 05:35.09 | rorschach | aidalgol: i already tried to reinstall gdm3, with apt-get --purge --reinstall install gdm3 |
| 05:35.40 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, no |
| 05:35.56 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Oh, OK. |
| 05:35.57 | mercutio22 | rorschach: why don't you try moving that file in line 2? |
| 05:36.03 | aidalgol | What release are you using? |
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| 05:36.34 | rorschach | mercutio22: that file doesnt exist |
| 05:37.44 | rorschach | mercutio22: after that, i tried to create it, but seens that is a random number for each session |
| 05:38.57 | rorschach | mercutio22: also, i tried too, to apply the gdm owner for /var/lib/gdm3 |
| 05:39.11 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, stable |
| 05:39.56 | rorschach | Lenin_Cat: have you tried to mount it in another location? |
| 05:40.02 | mercutio22 | rorschach: line 91 is suspicious: 91 |
| 05:40.07 | mercutio22 | oop |
| 05:40.08 | mercutio22 | ss |
| 05:40.40 | Lenin_Cat | rorschach, another usb port? ill try |
| 05:40.45 | rorschach | rorschach: that's interesting |
| 05:40.58 | rorschach | Lenin_Cat: not at all, maybe in another PC |
| 05:41.13 | Lenin_Cat | rorschach, oh, I have no other linux computers |
| 05:41.20 | Lenin_Cat | It works fine on windows |
| 05:41.22 | Lenin_Cat | both of them |
| 05:42.02 | rorschach | mercutio22: maybe its a bug with logins > X chars? |
| 05:42.27 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Try mount -t vfat |
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| 05:43.31 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, nothing happened. :P If you mean mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 it wont work |
| 05:43.48 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Yeah... that. >_< |
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| 05:44.13 | aidalgol | Hmm, this thread raises a possibility I had not considered. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/cant-mount-fat32-or-fat16-as-vfat-463739/ |
| 05:44.27 | wols | Lenin_Cat: until your kernel recognizes the usb flash drives partition no mount will ever work. so making it recognize it is the first step |
| 05:44.40 | aidalgol | Could be that your system does not support the character encoding used by the filesystem. |
| 05:44.48 | wols | the problem is not fat16 but that the kernel doesn't know about the partition(s) on that drive |
| 05:44.57 | mercutio22 | rorschach: try creating another user and logging in with it. |
| 05:45.04 | aidalgol | wols: How can you narrow it down to that? |
| 05:45.08 | Lenin_Cat | wols, I dont know how to tell the kernel whats happening |
| 05:45.36 | wols | cause the kernel doesn't see a partition:"[ 7066.951906] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)" the question is why is it thinking it's UDF? |
| 05:45.58 | Lenin_Cat | wols, bottom line, what do I do |
| 05:46.01 | wols | Lenin_Cat: what happens if you plug in the usb drive? what is the kernel output then? |
| 05:46.04 | aidalgol | wols: That's what I was thinking. But it doesn't mention any device files. :P |
| 05:46.09 | rorschach | guys, based in suspicious line 91 (from here http://paste.debian.net/123136), i've created a user 'teste', but the issue persists |
| 05:46.19 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: Try printing the partition table using fdisk. |
| 05:46.22 | Lenin_Cat | wols, it *is* in the usb drive |
| 05:46.24 | rorschach | the new log http://paste.debian.net/123137/ |
| 05:46.26 | aidalgol | fdisk /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:46.38 | Lenin_Cat | what |
| 05:46.44 | Lenin_Cat | fdisk command not found |
| 05:46.46 | Lenin_Cat | what the fuck |
| 05:46.52 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: I think wols means unplug it, then plug it in again. Then look at what dmesg | tail says. |
| 05:46.59 | wols | Lenin_Cat: are you root? and you need to use fdisk -l. as root |
| 05:47.22 | aidalgol | wols: Not for pluggable devices. You only have to be in the plugdev group for a USB device. |
| 05:48.21 | Lenin_Cat | aidalgol, wols http://pastebin.com/JwFhWt17 |
| 05:48.24 | Lenin_Cat | fdisk |
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| 05:48.53 | kvp | does anyone know where i can find some kind of package for gcc/g++ 4.2.2 (i know 4.2.4 is in the normal repos), i need this specific version, including it's stdlibc++6 if possible :3 *desperately trying to avoid compiling the universe* |
| 05:49.08 | wols | Lenin_Cat: I told you what command to use above. the command you used is wrong |
| 05:49.28 | wols | !tell kvp about snapshot |
| 05:49.30 | Lenin_Cat | cary@Cary-Laptop:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:49.31 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: On sdb, not sdb1 |
| 05:49.50 | kvp | thank you~ |
| 05:49.51 | aidalgol | sdb1 is a partition. We want to look at the entire device, sdb. |
| 05:50.31 | wols | no. we want to look on all possible disks. whatever the usb drive is. that's why fdisk -l ONLY |
| 05:50.37 | Lenin_Cat | http://pastebin.com/UMQMaTCf <- fdisk -l |
| 05:50.48 | aidalgol | wols: Oh, OK. |
| 05:51.06 | wols | file -s /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:51.14 | rorschach | guys, look that: ** (gdmsetup:31590): DEBUG: GdmUserManager: unable to lookup user 'leandrot' |
| 05:51.30 | aidalgol | wols: That partition table does not look pretty. |
| 05:51.39 | rorschach | leandrot isnt my user, my user is leandrotoledo |
| 05:51.47 | Lenin_Cat | wols, http://pastebin.com/23RYxMUa |
| 05:52.02 | wols | rorschach: getent passwd leandrot |
| 05:52.06 | aidalgol | Lenin_Cat: According to that, sdb1 is NTFS, not FAT16. |
| 05:52.14 | aidalgol | Which *may* be a problem. |
| 05:52.29 | wols | Lenin_Cat: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 05:52.35 | rorschach | wols: null return |
| 05:52.51 | wols | rorschach: then there is no user "leandrot" on your system and gdm is right |
| 05:52.55 | aidalgol | wols: Shouldn't file say /deb/sdb1 is a "block special"? |
| 05:53.15 | wols | aidalgol: no. and where exactly do you see any mention of ntfs? |
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| 05:53.33 | Lenin_Cat | wols, that wprled |
| 05:53.33 | Lenin_Cat | worled |
| 05:53.34 | Lenin_Cat | worked |
| 05:53.42 | rorschach | wols: but, when i try to login with leandrotoledo, in the debug shows leandrot, and GDM go back to greeting screen |
| 05:54.18 | wols | rorschach: looks like gdm truncates to 8 letters and then encounters a bug |
| 05:55.13 | Lenin_Cat | wols, ok, that works, but I want to mount as non-root |
| 05:55.48 | wols | Lenin_Cat: then add it to your fstab. man fstab. or configure your automounter of your choice |
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| 05:56.01 | aidalgol | wols: Line 9: "/dev/sda1 * 1 6389 51318618+ 7 HPFS/NTFS" |
| 05:56.24 | wols | simonlnu: sda is his harddisk |
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| 05:56.45 | aidalgol | wols: Oops... wrong device. >_< |
| 05:57.26 | wols | aidalgol: besides, these partition types are totally ignored by linux. windows likes them, but linux doesn't care. important is the actual filesystem on there |
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| 05:58.38 | Lenin_Cat | wols, not totally sure what to put in fstab |
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| 05:59.01 | wols | then show us what you have so far. we help correct it if it doesn't do what you want |
| 05:59.20 | rorschach | wols, may I to report using the reportbug? |
| 05:59.25 | wols | basically the only thing you need to add is "user" in the options field so that any user can mount it |
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| 06:00.02 | wols | rorschach: you can do whatever you want. I dunno if usernames > 8 letters are even allowed in POSIX or if gdm has a bug. just dunno |
| 06:00.17 | Lenin_Cat | wols, /dev/sda2/home/cary/flash vfat,fat12 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:00.37 | wols | Lenin_Cat: your flash isn't /dev/sda2, is it? |
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| 06:00.53 | Lenin_Cat | /dev/sda2 19456 19457 15712+ ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32) |
| 06:01.00 | Lenin_Cat | http://pastebin.com/UMQMaTCf |
| 06:01.14 | wols | Lenin_Cat: you don't want to mount your efi partition |
| 06:01.34 | Lenin_Cat | oh right |
| 06:01.38 | Lenin_Cat | I want to mount sdb1 |
| 06:01.55 | Lenin_Cat | there actually a incorrect line in here ofr that |
| 06:01.59 | wols | and the I just don't get the "fat12" in there |
| 06:02.03 | Lenin_Cat | /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:02.08 | wols | !tell Lenin_Cat about vfatrw |
| 06:02.10 | Lenin_Cat | how do I fix this |
| 06:02.28 | wols | you change it. to whatever device your cdrom is |
| 06:02.48 | wols | Lenin_Cat: read what dpkg just messaged to you |
| 06:03.04 | Lenin_Cat | alright |
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| 06:04.35 | Lenin_Cat | Horrah |
| 06:04.42 | superawesomeness | hello debian world |
| 06:04.50 | Lenin_Cat | wols, aidalgol thanks for your help |
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| 06:08.36 | zref | l |
| 06:08.45 | rorschach | just works now! ahahha, i dont know how, but the gnome-session was not installed, after install it works like a charm |
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| 06:09.54 | zref | are people commonly having problems when updating from grub1 to grub2 when going from lenny to squeeze via apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 06:10.07 | wols | zref: no, not commonly |
| 06:10.13 | zref | i got around it by preventing it from updating grub and then doing it manually |
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| 06:10.30 | zref | running on a xen vps |
| 06:10.49 | zref | saw some people having the same problem on google, but not that many |
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| 06:20.58 | swilson06 | no, just old xen and kvm. which is why i asked earlier if there was a way to tell what version of the vm server you're using from inside the client |
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| 06:23.11 | kvp | so, i found a snapshot i wanted and added the snapshot url with the appropriate date for the snapshot, how can i search for the package name or tell what it should be by the snapshot search (http://snapshot.debian.org/package/gcc-defaults/1.63/#g:2b::2b:_4:3a:4.2.2-2) |
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| 06:24.10 | kvp | coz' everything i tried so far didn't work |
| 06:25.37 | swilson06 | there's probably a better way, but if there's an ls-lR archive from that date.... |
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| 06:30.01 | kvp | a what? |
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| 06:31.08 | LinuxNIT | i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze. when i try to mount a cifs share i get an error saying permission denied no match for /... found in /etc/fstab. anyone know the fix for this? |
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| 06:36.23 | nsadmin | LinuxNIT, are you running mount as root? |
| 06:37.26 | nsadmin | unless mentioned in fstab (check now before asking questions regarding), only root can mount |
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| 06:39.21 | wols | LinuxNIT: pastebin the command you run and its output |
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| 06:41.04 | nsadmin | busted. |
| 06:41.11 | nsadmin | !ops suzzy spam |
| 06:41.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: suzzy spam |
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| 06:55.09 | tdn | Sometimes my mailscan server runs out of disk space or inodes. How do you recommend I monitor this so that I will receive an e-mail some time before it runs out? Should I use nagios for this? |
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| 06:58.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ops JigABoot spamming |
| 06:58.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: kamping_kaiser complains about: JigABoot spamming |
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| 06:59.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | thank you kindly |
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| 07:02.12 | LinuxNIT | nsadmin, so there is no way to mount shares as a user unless there are in fstab? |
| 07:02.35 | nsadmin | s/shares// |
| 07:03.02 | LinuxNIT | ? |
| 07:03.11 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: its dangerous enough as it is |
| 07:03.41 | nsadmin | you will be more on target if you remove the word "shares" from your posting. |
| 07:04.24 | kvp | i want some things from here: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20080101T000000Z/pool/main/g/gcc-4.2/ but i'm not sure how to get them - added the snapshot url up until pool in source.list with main but i can't get the files i need (nor do i know how to search them) |
| 07:04.27 | LinuxNIT | well thats blanking annoying |
| 07:04.41 | LinuxNIT | i guess i should have stayed with lenny |
| 07:04.50 | gnarface | i think maybe you could add your user to the cdrom group and then you could mount cd's |
| 07:05.06 | gnarface | oh maybe not |
| 07:05.08 | gnarface | hmm |
| 07:05.26 | gnarface | disk group? |
| 07:05.54 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: its not advised, for security reasons |
| 07:06.05 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: but what happens if you add your user to the disk group and relog? |
| 07:06.16 | nsadmin | this is about running mount which you cannot do unless you are root, or the mount is described in fstab |
| 07:06.38 | nsadmin | maybe you had an automount daemon going |
| 07:06.52 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: actually don't do that. don't add your user to the disk group. that's bad. |
| 07:07.04 | LinuxNIT | so since it is "not advised" or "not secure" means the remove the ability..... they are sounding like MS now |
| 07:07.18 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: its just off by default... |
| 07:07.33 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: in debian everything is off by default |
| 07:07.37 | LinuxNIT | so can i turn it back on? |
| 07:07.48 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: i dunno install some automounting thing? |
| 07:09.16 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: what did you use in lenny? there is a good chance it still exists. |
| 07:09.30 | LinuxNIT | i used the smbmount command |
| 07:09.46 | gnarface | LinuxNIT: and it wasn't referenced in fstab? |
| 07:09.52 | LinuxNIT | no |
| 07:10.18 | gnarface | i'm not very familiar with that one |
| 07:10.37 | gnarface | maybe its a kernel option? |
| 07:10.40 | LinuxNIT | its been around for ages |
| 07:11.05 | gnarface | i mean in lenny |
| 07:11.18 | gnarface | how did you allow your user to call smbmount |
| 07:11.20 | LinuxNIT | still on the same kernel |
| 07:11.20 | gnarface | ? |
| 07:11.28 | LinuxNIT | it was a user command |
| 07:11.40 | LinuxNIT | bpo kernel |
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| 07:12.36 | wols | kvp: http://snapshot.debian.org/ under "usage" |
| 07:13.00 | gauravpaliwal | Hi |
| 07:13.14 | kvp | yes i've read that but i'm having problems with it |
| 07:13.27 | wols | LinuxNIT: lenny couldn't mount smbfs shares as users either unless you did something very very unsafe |
| 07:13.47 | gauravpaliwal | Hi wols |
| 07:13.50 | wols | !tell kvp about errors |
| 07:14.01 | LinuxNIT | wols, i believe smbmount worked by default |
| 07:14.06 | wols | LinuxNIT: no |
| 07:14.28 | LinuxNIT | then what did i have to do that was so unsafe? |
| 07:14.46 | wols | set some perms on stuff like smbmount |
| 07:15.04 | kvp | i don't really have an error, i just don't know how i can confirm it's working by searching the packages without guessing names such as gcc-4.2.2_4 |
| 07:15.36 | wols | kvp: apt-cache policy |
| 07:15.55 | wols | LinuxNIT: most probably set some or only onebinary as suid root |
| 07:15.58 | LinuxNIT | wols, like set uid? |
| 07:16.21 | wols | no |
| 07:16.26 | LinuxNIT | what makes this so unsafe... is it just that anyone can mount a share or something else? |
| 07:16.49 | gauravpaliwal | if lsusb says : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0fe6:8101 Kontron (Industrial Computer Source / ICS Advent) DM9601 Fast Ethernet Adapter does it means driver is installed ? I am using Debian Lenny. and is it correct that if driver is not installed then it said : Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0fe6:8101 |
| 07:17.56 | wols | LinuxNIT: if someone can mount at will, a user could easily gain root. basically a user who has unhindered access to mount, is root for all intents and purposes |
| 07:18.30 | wols | gauravpaliwal: no. it just means the usb stack knows that there is a device. just like "lspci" shows stuff which exists on the pci bus but says nothing about loaded drivers |
| 07:19.12 | LinuxNIT | just because they can mount means they can run other programs as root? please explain |
| 07:20.55 | wols | LinuxNIT: I mount a partition with hacked "ls" binary that is set as suid root at /usr/local/bin. then I run this ls binary and since it is malicious it has code which edits /etc/passwd. voila: I now have root priviledges. |
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| 07:22.11 | gauravpaliwal | wols: is Debian lenny 2.6.26 has support for this dm9601 usblan driver , the git history of kernel says it is available from 2.6.21 or so version but the vendor/device code of this specific vendor/device is added after 2.6.29 ? Is their any tweak to make in run , as driver is dm9601 which is their in lenny but this vendor/device id combination is missing. |
| 07:22.35 | wols | ,kernels |
| 07:22.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 07:22.40 | LinuxNIT | seems like there should be a better way to resolve it |
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| 07:23.07 | kvp | ok, i'll try again |
| 07:23.08 | wols | gauravpaliwal: get a 2.6.32 kernel from lenny backports then. /msg dpkg backport |
| 07:23.22 | LinuxNIT | wols, so what stops the user from plugging in a usb key with a hacked ls binary and doing the same thin? |
| 07:23.23 | wols | kvp: what did apt-cache policy say? |
| 07:23.31 | kvp | i added in my sources.list: deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20080101T000000Z/ lenny main |
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| 07:23.45 | wols | LinuxNIT: vfat has no permissions in the filesystem |
| 07:23.55 | LinuxNIT | but smb does? |
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| 07:24.00 | kvp | 500 http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20080101T000000Z/ lenny/main i386 Packages |
| 07:24.04 | kvp | it says that |
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| 07:24.10 | gauravpaliwal | wols : thanks |
| 07:24.15 | wols | and usually usb sticks are mounted noexec for sanity. no smb doesn't either. and same applies |
| 07:24.29 | kvp | now, i'm trying to access any file on this list pretty much: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20080101T000000Z/pool/main/g/gcc-4.2/ |
| 07:24.38 | wols | kvp: do you know how apt-cache policy does? |
| 07:24.46 | kvp | no i do not |
| 07:24.59 | wols | kvp: apt-cache policy <packagename>. read man apt-cache |
| 07:25.19 | LinuxNIT | so why remove the ability to mount smb |
| 07:25.59 | wols | it was never there. you ALWAYS needed to be root to mount it by default |
| 07:27.16 | kvp | this is my problem though, i need gcc 4.2.2 - i do apt-cache policy 4.2.2 and i get nothing - even though that list shows a bunch of 4.2.2 versions available |
| 07:27.42 | wols | kvp: since when is 4.2.2 a packagename? |
| 07:27.50 | LinuxNIT | so was it suid by default then? because i know i used to be able to run smbmount to mount smb shares as user without changing permissions on the file |
| 07:27.53 | kvp | it searches by regist |
| 07:27.56 | kvp | regex |
| 07:27.57 | LinuxNIT | maybe prior to lenny |
| 07:27.59 | gnarface | did they ever fix that security issue with usb and firewire where you could insert code through the driver that rooted the box? |
| 07:28.13 | wols | kvp: that is no answer. is "4.2.2" a package name? |
| 07:28.25 | kvp | but once again that's my problem i don't know what the package name is else i would find it by using apt-get install >_> |
| 07:28.31 | wols | gnarface: not sure it's fixable |
| 07:28.37 | nsadmin | that regex would have matched 4$2&2 |
| 07:28.45 | wols | kvp: you have a ton of package names in that directory you linked |
| 07:29.26 | nsadmin | plus theres packages.debian.org |
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| 07:30.23 | kvp | g++-4.2_4.2.2-4 would be my bet for a real package, but i've tried about every combination i can think of - i can't seem to get access to the files |
| 07:30.25 | wols | nsadmin: he needs an old package version |
| 07:30.50 | wols | kvp: that is no package name either. g++-4.2 is, but NOT g++-4.2_4.2.2-4 |
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| 07:30.56 | LinuxNIT | wols, so do you have any decent way of browsing smb shares without using fstab? |
| 07:31.39 | kvp | i see |
| 07:31.57 | kvp | i see a version table with a version i do want, how do i use it? |
| 07:32.01 | kvp | to install |
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| 07:32.36 | wols | kvp: man apt-get. see about "pkg version number" |
| 07:33.07 | kvp | hey, i'm trying to be lazy here :( |
| 07:34.01 | wols | kvp: I'm even more lazy then and in the future always answer you with "rtfm". being lazy is insulting to anyone who helps you: WE should do the work for you for free since you are lazy? screw you! |
| 07:34.21 | kvp | woah |
| 07:34.26 | kvp | who did i insult? |
| 07:34.33 | LinuxNIT | him |
| 07:34.35 | wols | everyone trying to help you. |
| 07:34.41 | kvp | >_> |
| 07:35.00 | wols | go and buy a support contract |
| 07:35.03 | kvp | relax i was joking around, i'm trying here.. i have been trying to "download" a file for two hours now |
| 07:35.04 | kvp | =] |
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| 07:40.08 | slaeshjag | nothing in messages or kern.log |
| 07:40.15 | slaeshjag | any suggestions for where to look |
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| 07:41.05 | slaeshjag | I see two SIGHUP to rsyslogd around the time the crash happened, is that anything relevant? |
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| 07:49.10 | kvp | oo that kind of worked wols, thanks |
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| 07:52.13 | kvp | althought i got an error with broken packages, dargh |
| 07:52.54 | kural | hello all. I am squeeze at the moment. How do i upgrade to Wheezy ? |
| 07:53.29 | devil | kural: if you dont know it, you probably dont want it |
| 07:54.15 | devil | kural: because upgrading it is the simplest part of running testing (ot unstable) |
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| 07:54.20 | kural | Devil: I am centos person, shifting Debian. Your help would be appreciated |
| 07:54.47 | kural | Yes i wish to use to unstable one. |
| 07:55.07 | devil | kural: it breaks |
| 07:56.11 | kural | devil : Is it that delicate at moment ? |
| 07:56.18 | ompaul | kural: as centos is to redhat so stable is to debian |
| 07:56.48 | ompaul | unstable is as it's name suggests |
| 07:56.50 | devil | kural: its ok atm, but havoc can wreak at any given moment |
| 07:57.28 | kural | ompaul : Thanks i know , but workplace preferred redhat/centos all this while. Now that I have convinced them of advantages i would like to test as much as possible |
| 07:57.29 | ompaul | foresooth devil it is after a d-u, not some random moment ;-) |
| 07:57.43 | devil | kural: so you need to be able to handle that, hence my hint, if you do not know how to get there, you rather wont be able to handle it in heavy weather |
| 07:58.03 | ompaul | there be monsters |
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| 07:58.55 | kural | devil: Asking was a shortcut approach on my part. That is all. Would not like anybody to assume anything else. |
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| 07:59.12 | devil | kural: but in theory: 1. change sources.list, 2. set default release, 3. dist-upgrade |
| 07:59.26 | ompaul | kural: got a machine with vm extensions? |
| 07:59.52 | kural | devil : so sin source.list squeeze -- wheezy . That is all the modification ? |
| 08:00.14 | devil | kural: you want a separate line for wheezy |
| 08:00.15 | ompaul | that is testing noe unstable |
| 08:00.16 | kural | ompaul: The machine I am trying is a remote one. |
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| 08:00.36 | devil | kural: remote? even more ouch |
| 08:01.04 | devil | kural: unstable renders machines unbootable sometimes (not often though) |
| 08:01.19 | devil | kural: with a remote machine that takes more skills even |
| 08:01.23 | kural | devil: life of sysadmin is bigger "Ouch" . Do you are damned. Dont do you get whacked more :) |
| 08:01.35 | ompaul | not just ouch, but rivers of blood, and other pains |
| 08:01.49 | devil | kural: i am wearing my BOfH t-shirt today ;) |
| 08:01.52 | ompaul | kural: if you do what you are suggesting you will find things broken |
| 08:02.06 | kural | devil: skill is not problem. Info at the short moment is. That is why i approached this channel |
| 08:02.18 | ompaul | kural: and when you can't fix and are under pressure how and you have to wait 6 hours for the fix to hit the mirrors what are you going to do |
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| 08:02.56 | devil | kural: ok, its the wrong channel basicaly. we have #debian-next on oftc for anything but stable. would be a good idea to move it to there |
| 08:02.57 | ompaul | kural: a sample example from a few weeks ago |
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| 08:03.22 | ompaul | kural: QT broke kde in unstable and it was like that for about a day |
| 08:03.29 | kural | devil: #debian-next its invite only .. so you see. |
| 08:03.36 | ompaul | kural: no it's not |
| 08:03.44 | devil | kural: no, its not. its on OFTC, not freenode |
| 08:03.44 | ompaul | its on oftc |
| 08:03.59 | kural | ompaul: only what basic gnome / latest X / mesa & kernel. |
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| 08:04.12 | ompaul | kural: gnome - I wish you luck |
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| 08:04.35 | ompaul | it is generally the more broken part |
| 08:04.47 | ompaul | !ssb |
| 08:04.47 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 08:05.21 | ompaul | kural: that would be a more sane option |
| 08:05.37 | ompaul | just saying and there I'll leave it for you to choose your method of demise ;-) |
| 08:05.56 | ompaul | has been hanging around some real actors the last couple of days ;-) |
| 08:06.00 | kural | <devil> <ompaul> Okay guys thanks for your point of view. Let me see what i will do now. |
| 08:06.31 | devil | kural: join #debian-next for more |
| 08:06.47 | ompaul | devil: you're right there ;-) |
| 08:06.59 | kural | <devil> okay thanks again. |
| 08:07.20 | ompaul | kural: you're welcome to the opinions, hopefully you can be more informed |
| 08:07.21 | kural | devil: Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only) |
| 08:07.35 | ompaul | kural: /server irc.debian.net |
| 08:07.43 | devil | kural: we are on the freenode network now. you want OFTC network |
| 08:07.43 | kural | ompaul: no pronlem |
| 08:07.54 | kural | no problem . I meant/ |
| 08:08.03 | kural | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.13 | ompaul | without the space ;-) |
| 08:08.39 | devil | and there /j #debian-next |
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| 08:53.22 | venol | Helo, Excusme.. I have little problem with mailgraph.. Why mailgraph not show the graph if my server receive message. I know mailgraph was update rrd because I run mailgraph with --verbose. I have receive message every 1 minutes and I see /var/log/mailgrah.log was updated. But, Why graph is not shown by mailgraph immediately? thanks for your explanation. |
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| 10:06.00 | svip | Erm... I have run in a dependency issue; glibc wants a new kernel to be installed, but when I try to install my new kernel, apt-get and aptitude complains that there are several unmet dependencies and won't install a new kernel. ;-; |
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| 10:06.57 | Bushmills | that's a very unusual error for squeeze |
| 10:07.23 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 10:07.23 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 10:07.27 | Bushmills | why would glibc want a new kernel? |
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| 10:08.01 | jelly-home | svip: ^^ follow the instructions |
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| 10:09.53 | svip | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/GHLpFS6B |
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| 10:11.18 | Bushmills | lenny+unstable?? |
| 10:11.22 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
| 10:11.24 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.13-7; sid: 2.13-10 |
| 10:11.59 | svip | Bushmills: Uhm... it's actually not my server, but I have sudo access. >_>' |
| 10:12.04 | wols | give us the output of: uname -a, dpkg -l libc6 and the contents of your sources.list |
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| 10:12.38 | wols | svip: somebody mixed all kinds of debian branches and made a total mess out of it, it seems |
| 10:14.00 | svip | wols: Sounds like someone wanted to be 'wise'. |
| 10:14.11 | svip | wols: http://pastebin.com/qFTQb2sf |
| 10:15.46 | Bushmills | no fun fixing |
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| 10:16.40 | wols | svip: kick anything mentioning "unstable" from your sources.list |
| 10:16.58 | wols | seems whoever did this has not (yet) installed anything dangerous from unstable |
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| 10:17.39 | wols | or if they did, only older stuff. 2.11-2-11 libc6 instead of 2.11-2.10 from squeeze |
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| 10:18.59 | wols | next, change the lenny one to squeeze and then do a upgrade from lenny->squeeze /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze just to make sure it's a mostly proper debian stable |
| 10:19.14 | wols | then: why do you need a new kernel? backports has 2.6.38 or MUST it be 2.6.39? |
| 10:19.48 | Bushmills | "glibc wants a new kernel..." |
| 10:20.08 | wols | Bushmills: hence the proper "upgrade" to squeeze :) |
| 10:20.22 | wols | and without all the sid packages available via sources.list |
| 10:20.34 | Bushmills | good news is that glib hasn't been installed because of that |
| 10:20.49 | Bushmills | s/installed/upgraded/ |
| 10:21.01 | Bushmills | s/upgraded/replaced/ :) |
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| 10:21.09 | wols | yes, he still has a chance to run a fairly normal squeeze instead of a frankendebian |
| 10:22.30 | svip | wols: Upgrade with safe-upgrade ? |
| 10:22.43 | wols | I'd use dist-upgrade |
| 10:23.16 | wols | if apt shows any errors or problems, best pastebin the full output before saying "yes" :) |
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| 10:24.00 | svip | wols: http://pastebin.com/q51ushia |
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| 10:26.01 | _daniel-s__ | hi |
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| 10:27.23 | wols | apt-get remove http://pastebin.com/q51ushia |
| 10:27.31 | nsadmin | is it possible to have nm handle certain interfaces and leave others alone? |
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| 10:27.59 | wols | apt-get remove g++-4.4 g++-4.5 gcc-4.4 gcc-4.5 |
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| 10:28.31 | wols | svip: it seems someone tried to install stuff from sid, most probably gcc which causes the current apt mess |
| 10:29.08 | cvrse | nsadmin, if you configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces nm should leave it alone |
| 10:29.21 | svip | wols: Ah. Should I just remove all the packages that has issues for now? |
| 10:29.34 | wols | svip: the goal is to have only á 2.11 libc6 and no errors reported by apt-get |
| 10:30.00 | wols | no you shouldn't remove them all.it's very very bad if you remove libc6. catastrophically so |
| 10:30.15 | wols | so for starters, remove gcc stuff and see how far that gets you |
| 10:30.41 | svip | wols: http://pastebin.com/Mx7rknd4 |
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| 10:31.36 | nsadmin | svip, if you remove libc you will destroy your system fairly completely |
| 10:31.46 | svip | nsadmin: Yes... I tried that once. |
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| 10:32.17 | wols | svip: remove all packages mentioned with "dev" in it |
| 10:32.25 | daedaluz | is there any way to avoid package freeze in testing? |
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| 10:33.31 | nsadmin | remove ice and other cold stuff |
| 10:33.44 | svip | wols: http://pastebin.com/itJuRxMR :| |
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| 10:34.04 | nsadmin | daedaluz, what do you mean by "package freeze"? |
| 10:34.25 | nsadmin | btw why are you running testing? |
| 10:34.45 | nsadmin | is your system running well now? |
| 10:35.09 | daedaluz | nsadmin: "testing" always enters the freeze period for indefinite time before next stable release, right? so, I'd rather not have that freeze period |
| 10:35.29 | nsadmin | what would you rather have? |
| 10:35.52 | daedaluz | just the normal rolling testing all way through without any package freezes |
| 10:36.15 | cvrse | daedaluz, unstable |
| 10:36.25 | babilen | !slush |
| 10:36.26 | nsadmin | well that's not something either one of us has direct control over |
| 10:36.26 | daedaluz | cvrse: uh, no, |
| 10:36.27 | hugo___ | Hellos! Iv followed this "tutorial" http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34462#p198899 to package my application as a deb package. It works and i can compile and install the deb, however, how can i make the deb install a launcher to the application in the Applications menu? |
| 10:36.28 | wols | svip: download gcc-4.5 gcc-4.5 libc-bin libc6-dev libc-dev-bin from packages.debian.org and install them via dpkg -i |
| 10:36.57 | wols | svip: bascially some packages from unstable were downloaded and partially installed causing the mess |
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| 10:37.08 | nsadmin | daedaluz, isn't that what ubuntu does? |
| 10:37.13 | wols | packages locales and nscd and the libstdc++ too |
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| 10:37.29 | wols | you might have to force something but that is unavoidable probably |
| 10:37.43 | svip | wols: Ah, gcc-4.5 is only available in unstable. |
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| 10:37.50 | cvrse | daedaluz, if packages arent coming into testing from unstable during freeze u dont have any other option |
| 10:38.13 | daedaluz | nsadmin: I don't know and don't care, Ubuntu is way too unstable and doesn't ever upgrade properly. I'd much rather have "testing" all way through, but the package freeze periods are annoying |
| 10:38.14 | svip | wols: And testing. |
| 10:38.24 | wols | hugo___: in your debconf you configure the "menu" package. it's the one that deals with the application menu |
| 10:38.33 | babilen | cvrse: Well, one could probably take over the complete release management from Debian during that time and handle transitions oneself |
| 10:38.37 | wols | svip: so ignore it. don't install it |
| 10:38.45 | nsadmin | daedaluz, ok, why are you using testing? why not stable? |
| 10:38.53 | wols | and remove anything with 4.5 via dpkg -r this time. no apt |
| 10:39.23 | laughzilla | how do i install a file , ie: webmin-virtual-server_3.87.gpl_all.deb when it's already on my debian server? i tried make && make install webmin-virtual-server_3.87.gpl_all.deb . what's the proper syntax to install local files? apt-get? aptitude? |
| 10:39.25 | nsadmin | what is it about the freeze that bothers you? |
| 10:39.37 | babilen | daedaluz: It is was testing was designed for. There is no rolling implementation yet, but there will be a couple of BoFs during debconf and things might change. Right now there is no other way. |
| 10:39.48 | babilen | nsadmin: SNS withdrawal |
| 10:40.10 | laughzilla | and yes i know webmin is crap and i'm not installing stuff or maintaining things through webmin. |
| 10:40.19 | nsadmin | it is was? they are were? |
| 10:40.24 | hugo___ | wols: is it the menu.ex file? Iv tried altering it to http://pastebin.com/nTA2bmCe but no luck? |
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| 10:40.40 | wols | yes, I always install crap I don't need and which hose my system for kicks |
| 10:40.51 | daedaluz | nsadmin: actually I'm using openSUSE because it's more flexible than any other distro, but I'd like to use Debian again |
| 10:41.01 | babilen | daedaluz: http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/events/759.en.html |
| 10:41.22 | laughzilla | something like this? $ sudo dpkg -i package.deb ?? |
| 10:41.22 | daedaluz | babilen: ok, thanks for info, that was what I wanted to know |
| 10:41.23 | nsadmin | daedaluz, oh ok, so you're considering debian |
| 10:41.39 | babilen | daedaluz: Well, you can run unstable, but even that becomes "slushy" during a testing freeze |
| 10:41.42 | daedaluz | nsadmin: i'm considering return to debian |
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| 10:41.59 | daedaluz | and I sure as hell won't run unstable ;) |
| 10:42.12 | daedaluz | has some nice experiences with Sidux |
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| 10:42.25 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of the particular machine you want to put debian on? |
| 10:43.00 | nsadmin | and what is the purpose of the machine running suse now? |
| 10:43.04 | daedaluz | generic use |
| 10:43.06 | babilen | daedaluz: Oh, why are you thinking about running testing but definitely not unstable? |
| 10:43.17 | nsadmin | so main desktop? |
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| 10:43.23 | daedaluz | yes |
| 10:43.31 | babilen | ... nothing important |
| 10:43.37 | wols | daedaluz: there is no real difference between testing and unstable. e.g. witness the current nvidia/fglrx multiarch problems |
| 10:43.39 | lapfrog | hey guys I'm having trouble with dns resolution, firefox, xchat and everything else, except host, dig and nslookup, are very slow to resolve a hostname. I tried disabling ipv6, and also edited /etc/nsswitch.conf but to no avail. any ideas? |
| 10:44.14 | wols | lapfrog: is avahi installed? |
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| 10:44.33 | lapfrog | yes wols |
| 10:44.48 | wols | terminate with extreme prejudice |
| 10:44.52 | lapfrog | hm |
| 10:45.05 | lapfrog | you mean remove or just stop the service? |
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| 10:45.19 | wols | somebody should take away the keyboard from poettering. this guy is a plague |
| 10:46.40 | babilen | wols: poettering? |
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| 10:47.40 | tonikasueps | Hi, I've told it is possible to build gcc with gcc, but I don't find any relevant documentation; I guess I should follow the "native" method, but I'm not sure... Also, is it possible to go with 'apt-get install gcc-4.4-source' and 'dpkg-buildpackage'? Will it have optimizations? (-O2 --with-arch=native --with-tune=native)? Thanks a lot and sorry I'm saying nosense |
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| 10:48.50 | lapfrog | how can i view the description of a package and the list of files? |
| 10:49.13 | zappal | lapfrog: apt-cache show package |
| 10:49.28 | wols | babilen: lennart poettering, developer of avahi, pulseaudio and systemd. read that and tremble |
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| 10:49.47 | nsadmin | lapfrog, try packages.debian.org |
| 10:49.54 | lapfrog | well if i remove avahi-daemon |
| 10:50.07 | lapfrog | it makes a whole list of packages that are 'no longer required' and says it wants to remove: |
| 10:50.16 | lapfrog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.03 | lapfrog | so i can't remove avahi-daemon cause lots of things depend on it... |
| 10:51.08 | lapfrog | let me pastebin |
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| 10:51.15 | PerfDave | I'm running Debian 6.0.2 on a laptop with a USB wifi stick, with rt2800usb driver. I've installed firmware-ralink. I've got network-manager and I'm running nm-applet (gnome) on LXDE. It looks like n-m isn't scanning for networks - any idea why? http://pastebin.com/pbv0117G |
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| 10:52.20 | cahoot | no complaints about the firmware in dmesg? |
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| 10:52.53 | PerfDave | No complains, cahoot |
| 10:53.15 | svip | wols: Woo! |
| 10:53.20 | svip | Now there are no errors. \o/ |
| 10:53.28 | lapfrog | http://pastebin.com/mcxiqtuF |
| 10:53.33 | wols | svip: gz! |
| 10:53.37 | svip | But uhm... I never seem to get the dist-upgrade working. |
| 10:53.47 | wols | what does dist-upgrade do? |
| 10:53.58 | svip | wols: It install 6 packages. |
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| 10:54.02 | wols | and? |
| 10:54.08 | svip | That's it. |
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| 10:54.48 | wols | so why don't you install those? |
| 10:54.56 | svip | I did. |
| 10:54.58 | wols | or rather: let it install them |
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| 10:55.18 | tonikasueps | Hey, do you know the best way to build gcc? With the upstream package or the debian (gcc-x.x-source) one? With dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 10:55.22 | svip | I just assumed a dist-upgrade would ... include more packages. |
| 10:55.27 | tonikasueps | well, i guess i have to guess |
| 10:55.53 | nsadmin | tonikasueps: steps 1 and 2: get gcc source, read INSTALL |
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| 10:56.39 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: xD ok, so nothing new, thx anyway |
| 10:56.41 | nsadmin | and you might also want to read the gcc info document... which is actually the book "Using and Porting GNU CC" |
| 10:56.47 | wols | svip: you already are on squeeze level basically. this dist-upgrade is just to make sure you aren't missing anything and all is well |
| 10:56.51 | tonikasueps | oh, ok |
| 10:57.00 | svip | wols: Ah. |
| 10:57.11 | wols | svip: and you haven't answered why you need kernel 2.6.39 specificially. any special reason for it? |
| 10:57.19 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: thx :) |
| 10:57.39 | svip | Well, it wanted a new kernel, and saying 2.6 wasn't enough for apt-get |
| 10:58.09 | wols | svip: I suggest you also install build-essential to make sure your gcc compiler is still working after your removals :) |
| 10:58.15 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: i was only finding partial doc, thx |
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| 10:58.37 | svip | wols: Good idea. |
| 10:58.39 | wols | svip: and if you do want a new kernel, get a backported 2.6.38 from backports instead |
| 10:58.47 | lapfrog | so uh |
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| 10:59.23 | nsadmin | it's actually possible debian feels it cannot distribute that last document if it's gfdl with invariant sections |
| 10:59.29 | lapfrog | any idea how to get rid of avahi without removing all those other packages? |
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| 11:00.01 | yudi1 | trying to install debian in a LVM+LUKS config, only the LVs are encrypted not the PVs, is there a way to set-up the encrypted containers before hand, erasing the data on each LV takes ages during install. |
| 11:00.06 | nsadmin | install an alternative to avahi |
| 11:00.08 | nsadmin | ? |
| 11:00.14 | wols | nsadmin: do you know any? |
| 11:00.31 | wols | and it's not that it needs an alternative per se, but apt depends on the avahi package itself |
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| 11:01.21 | wols | lapfrog: a few things will stop working without it like gnome-user-share or the telepathy in local network crap. but those things are nothing most users need or want |
| 11:01.31 | wols | the other problem is that it wants to remove all of gnome it seels |
| 11:01.34 | wols | *seems |
| 11:01.41 | PerfDave | FSVO problem *g* |
| 11:01.47 | lapfrog | or rather marks it as unnecessary |
| 11:02.12 | wols | PerfDave: gnome is a problem in itself. removal is fine by me :P |
| 11:02.23 | nsadmin | wols, if worst comes to worst, he would have to install either an unpackaged avahi or alternative and build an equivs package which has matching dependencies |
| 11:02.34 | lapfrog | >_> |
| 11:02.36 | lapfrog | how about |
| 11:02.43 | lapfrog | i look in /etc/default to see if i can disable it |
| 11:02.46 | PerfDave | Is it just installing the Gnome metapackges without removing the functional bits? |
| 11:02.48 | nsadmin | and as most folks know, that's a mess |
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| 11:04.33 | lapfrog | see, host, nslookup and dig work fine, they have no delay |
| 11:04.46 | PerfDave | yudi1: ISTR there's an option you can pass to the Debian installer that tells it not to erase the data on the PV first, but i can't remember what it is; if I were you I'd just wait it out ;) |
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| 11:06.31 | doxin | the colors on my display seem as if all the red is shifted right by ~8 pixels. might be my monitor but i doubt it, it worked fine on mint. any ideas on what's going wrong? |
| 11:06.56 | yudi1 | PerfDave: it's a 500 gb PV!! Lucky me, I only allocated 50GB to the LVs |
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| 11:07.20 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: regarding gcc building... i can find explicit info on building ver 2.95 but not in newer ones (ie 4.6.1, 4.4.6)... perhaps i have to go to "gcc installation instructions"? that info is actually a bit unclear for me... |
| 11:07.47 | lapfrog | brb... |
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| 11:08.09 | nsadmin | the docs are in the source distribution |
| 11:08.17 | wols | doxin: use a vesa driver |
| 11:08.19 | yudi1 | PerfDave: so the installer is writing random data to the LVs, right? |
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| 11:08.29 | doxin | wols: how would i go about that? |
| 11:08.35 | wols | doxin: check your vtys instead |
| 11:08.41 | PerfDave | yudi1: Or to the PV, dunno. |
| 11:08.44 | nsadmin | most stuff about building gcc is in INSTALL inside the gcc tarball |
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| 11:09.15 | doxin | wols: my whatnows? |
| 11:09.37 | tonikasueps | well thx yes |
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| 11:10.16 | wols | doxin: create a custom xorg.conf like described here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#The_manual_way but use "vesa" for the driver not nvidia |
| 11:10.17 | yudi1 | PerfDave: encryption layer is on top of the LVM layer, so has to be to the LVs, cannot be to the PVs as the /boot is moved to the LVM |
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| 11:10.22 | nsadmin | out of curiousity... what has you building gcc? that seems pretty specialized |
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| 11:10.50 | doxin | wols: oh god. nvm, i'm not touching xorg.conf again. |
| 11:11.03 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: one of my univ. teachers has challenged us |
| 11:11.07 | PerfDave | yudi1: No, in Debian 6 at least, the encryption is below LVM |
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| 11:11.32 | lapfrog | that means you're universally challenged |
| 11:11.40 | nsadmin | yeah, that's what I did in about 1986 or so |
| 11:11.51 | tonikasueps | mmm, what i was willing was to manage to build it using package gcc-x.x-source (4.4) instead of the upstream ibe |
| 11:11.52 | PerfDave | yudi1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611196 |
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| 11:12.16 | tonikasueps | universally.... jejej... 1986... wow |
| 11:12.27 | tonikasueps | well, i'll take a look at INSTALL |
| 11:12.43 | tonikasueps | thx guys |
| 11:12.45 | wols | tonikasueps: it's very very easy to do with dpkg-buildpckage. and if you set CFLAGS properly beforehand, it uses that optimization. just pray it doesn't encounter an optimization bug :) |
| 11:13.09 | doxin | wols: i don't have a xorg.conf |
| 11:13.15 | wols | doxin: I know |
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| 11:13.23 | yudi1 | PerfDave: Thought I changed it, will check and let you know, if encryption is below LVM, then /boot has to be outside the lVM. otherwise how is it possible to boot? |
| 11:13.24 | wols | doxin: read what I wrote |
| 11:13.38 | wols | doxin: and especially read the link I gave you |
| 11:13.59 | wols | doxin: what videocard do you have btw? |
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| 11:14.01 | doxin | wols: i am, it starts by telling me to backup xorg.conf |
| 11:14.19 | doxin | wols: three hundred year old nvidea i think. |
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| 11:15.05 | PerfDave | yudi1: Yes, that's what the Debian installer sets up. If you're doing something other than using the Debian installer to set up encrypted LVM, then you're on your own I'm afraid :) |
| 11:15.11 | nsadmin | tonikasueps, you wouldn't get challenged by building the package... it's just one commnand, it's pretty much the same for all debian packages, no challenge there |
| 11:15.15 | wols | doxin: you could try a nvidia legacy driver then as well. but same procedure |
| 11:15.44 | nsadmin | if you actually want the challenge, try building gcc from upstrean :) |
| 11:15.51 | doxin | wols: well, great. but how am i going to edit xorg.conf if its not there? |
| 11:16.12 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: hahah, yeah, without patches... :p |
| 11:16.15 | lapfrog | doxin: create it with X -configure |
| 11:17.01 | doxin | lapfrog: mkay... |
| 11:17.01 | nsadmin | well patches might offer additional challenges especially in the case they don't apply properly or if the resulting gcc doesn't work |
| 11:17.31 | nsadmin | another interesting aspect will be when it comes time to verify the compiler |
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| 11:17.51 | nsadmin | that's described in INSTALL as well |
| 11:18.06 | tonikasueps | ahh, yes, testsuite |
| 11:18.37 | nsadmin | well if there is one, you can run it... but there's something else |
| 11:18.39 | tonikasueps | well... nsadmin, in latest upstream gcc INSTALL does not have doc but it is in gcc/doc/ in tex format |
| 11:18.58 | nsadmin | .texi? |
| 11:19.05 | tonikasueps | yes, texi, sorry |
| 11:19.34 | nsadmin | ok... what reads a texi? |
| 11:19.50 | tonikasueps | tetex? |
| 11:20.10 | yudi1 | PerfDave: yes, I am definitely using encryption on top of the LVM, I had to enter 3 passphrases for the 3 LVs, this is a test build, will see |
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| 11:20.43 | tonikasueps | ok, texinfo |
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| 11:20.57 | PerfDave | yudi1: OK, then you're not using the Debian installer's guided encryption+LVM thing, and you're on your own ;) |
| 11:21.37 | nsadmin | hmm, interesing, it might... and, the program that reads it and produces the navigatable doc files |
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| 11:22.39 | nsadmin | tonikasueps, yes, texinfo... what output formats does it produce? |
| 11:22.51 | doxin | wols: could you send me the link again? |
| 11:23.21 | ironm | heidi_, ??? <heidi_> hi girls fantasy show http://camchat.us.mn |
| 11:23.37 | doxin | yeah |
| 11:23.39 | zapadlo | ironm Got the same thing |
| 11:23.40 | doxin | got that too. |
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| 11:24.18 | ironm | hello guys. can you give a hint how I can subsrcibe to the kernel-developer list? - thank you in advance |
| 11:24.25 | babilen | ironm: Please to not repost spam in the channel. If that was on-join spam, please report it. |
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| 11:24.32 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: actually don't remember about teTeX, many years have passed since i last used it, but in fact there is an script to convert texi to html... |
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| 11:24.58 | doxin | wols: its an ati radeon btw, sorry. |
| 11:25.02 | ironm | zapadlo, babilen - I am not an adming - I would ban heidi_ from this channel |
| 11:25.03 | doxin | anyways, which driver should i use for a really old ati radeon? |
| 11:25.24 | tonikasueps | i began with gnu/linux in 1995 with those distros in magazine's cds, always without any sources, of course xD |
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| 11:25.55 | nsadmin | hmm, that's a good way to get at the docs... the alternative (well, original) is to produce .info files which are read by info |
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| 11:25.58 | valdyn | doxin: whats "really old" ? |
| 11:26.01 | ironm | babilen, how one can report "on-join spam" ? |
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| 11:26.31 | kloeri | ironm: don't worry, I've taken care of the spammer |
| 11:26.35 | doxin | valdyn: lemme look up the card name for you |
| 11:26.35 | valdyn | doxin: actually you should let X do its work and not "select" anything yourself |
| 11:26.36 | nsadmin | tonikasueps, ever get the infomagic cds? |
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| 11:26.48 | doxin | valdyn: well durr, but this driver spazzes like shit |
| 11:27.16 | valdyn | doxin: which driver ? |
| 11:27.52 | doxin | valdyn: i have *no* idea |
| 11:27.55 | tonikasueps | infomagic? have never heard of... |
| 11:28.06 | valdyn | doxin: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist? |
| 11:28.07 | doxin | valdyn: but minecraft wont run and the red seems shifted right ~8px |
| 11:28.19 | doxin | valdyn: nope, altho i did follow the steps to generate it |
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| 11:28.29 | ironm | thank you kloeri :) |
| 11:28.31 | valdyn | doxin: doesnt need to exist anyway |
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| 11:28.53 | doxin | valdyn: how do i fix the colors spazzing then? |
| 11:28.59 | valdyn | doxin: "glxinfo | grep -i direct" gives what? |
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| 11:29.19 | doxin | valdyn: yes. |
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| 11:29.38 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: i don't know what infomagic stands for.. |
| 11:29.48 | nsadmin | they were these packages of usually 4 or 5 cds, they had dists and other stuff like sources to things (such as gcc) and other stuff |
| 11:29.57 | valdyn | doxin: glxgears runs ok, i suppose? |
| 11:30.00 | nsadmin | that was the name of the company I guess |
| 11:30.05 | doxin | valdyn: how am i supposed to know? |
| 11:30.12 | valdyn | doxin: by running it? |
| 11:30.27 | doxin | valdyn: works fine |
| 11:30.33 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: wow, looks interesting, found some used ones to buy |
| 11:30.38 | doxin | valdyn: 110fps |
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| 11:30.53 | nsadmin | they will be very VERY ancient :) |
| 11:31.10 | valdyn | doxin: thats low, and even though thats not to relevant im not surprised minecraft wont run on that old hardware |
| 11:31.28 | doxin | valdyn: it worked just fine on linux mint debian edition |
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| 11:31.36 | valdyn | doxin: lets see what card that really is |
| 11:31.48 | doxin | valdyn: and it doesn;t run in the sense of black screen, not low fps. |
| 11:31.50 | tonikasueps | heheh |
| 11:32.02 | doxin | valdyn: Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] (Secondary) |
| 11:32.12 | valdyn | doxin: ok, thats not to old really |
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| 11:32.26 | valdyn | doxin: the driver should be the radeon driver, see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:32.49 | valdyn | doxin: your glxgears fps should be higher on that one too |
| 11:33.12 | doxin | valdyn: what am i looking for in that log? |
| 11:33.19 | valdyn | doxin: "driver" |
| 11:33.47 | doxin | valdyn: Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 0? |
| 11:34.16 | valdyn | doxin: should be wrong, search for RADEON |
| 11:34.41 | tonikasueps | nsadmin: i remember beginning with some kind of redhat... and always ruining the boot as we built upstream kernels with upstream tools... |
| 11:34.43 | doxin | valdyn: lotsa RADEON(0): Modeline "<snip>" |
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| 11:35.16 | valdyn | doxin: looks like the correct driver is being used |
| 11:35.24 | doxin | valdyn: then wtheck is going on? |
| 11:35.31 | valdyn | doxin: put that file up on a paste site |
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| 11:35.40 | doxin | valdyn: the log you mean? |
| 11:35.45 | valdyn | doxin: yes |
| 11:35.50 | valdyn | doxin: the output of glxinfo too |
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| 11:36.36 | nsadmin | I had an lsl pair of floppies, which were proof that linux could boot on my new 486 dx100 |
| 11:36.56 | doxin | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/uHazm3Me |
| 11:36.58 | nsadmin | but the first thing I installed was slackware |
| 11:37.14 | doxin | valdyn: and http://pastebin.com/vVK7PbXC |
| 11:37.45 | nsadmin | which I blew up by upgrading libc without knowing anything about what would happen |
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| 11:38.24 | valdyn | doxin: aptitude install "libgl1-mesa-dri" gives what? |
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| 11:39.02 | valdyn | doxin: and put the output of glxinfo up on pastbin too |
| 11:39.17 | doxin | valdyn: No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed |
| 11:39.19 | doxin | valdyn: and i did |
| 11:39.35 | doxin | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/TvBcprY0 |
| 11:39.45 | tonikasueps | heh |
| 11:39.51 | valdyn | doxin: hw acceleration is not enabled |
| 11:40.03 | doxin | valdyn: teh feck? |
| 11:40.05 | valdyn | doxin: driver is correct though |
| 11:40.12 | doxin | valdyn: so, how do i fix? |
| 11:40.17 | nsadmin | new software always came my way by me compiling them |
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| 11:40.22 | valdyn | doxin: which debian release is it? |
| 11:40.35 | nsadmin | and when libc died, so did pretty much everything incl gcc |
| 11:40.38 | tonikasueps | wow... a 486 dx100... hehe... perhaps it had some sort of problem in the coproccessor? I think we had one at home |
| 11:41.29 | nsadmin | maybe you're thinking of the pentium divide bug? |
| 11:41.32 | doxin | valdyn: i downloaded from the wobsite just yesterday, so i suspect latest stable. |
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| 11:42.12 | nsadmin | the motherboard had a scsi chipset onboard |
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| 11:42.36 | valdyn | doxin: you said /etc/X11/xorg.conf did not exist, is that certain? |
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| 11:42.59 | doxin | valdyn: bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 11:43.33 | valdyn | doxin: show us the output of lsmod |
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| 11:44.03 | doxin | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/5n9ezatb |
| 11:44.04 | tonikasueps | oh, yes, i tend to mix things |
| 11:44.17 | tonikasueps | scsi controller? :) |
| 11:45.02 | tonikasueps | well, i have to go, i'll be right back to cook sth |
| 11:45.22 | valdyn | doxin: ok, everything is fine except that its not using hw acceleration |
| 11:45.50 | doxin | valdyn: then why are my colors spacing? and why aint minecraft running? |
| 11:46.00 | nsadmin | yeah, I forget the name, a single-chip one |
| 11:46.03 | valdyn | doxin: line 488: Direct rendering disabled |
| 11:46.32 | ironm | Hello - who can help? - thank you in advance for any hints - IOMMU support for xen in BIOS of AMD based HP DL385g7 servers and kernel 3.0.0-rc7 (s. details http://paste.debian.net/123142/ ) |
| 11:46.32 | nsadmin | enjoy. |
| 11:46.44 | valdyn | doxin: doesnt matter, you need hw acceleration |
| 11:46.45 | tonikasueps | you too |
| 11:46.46 | tonikasueps | . |
| 11:46.56 | doxin | valdyn: how do i get that then? |
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| 11:47.17 | valdyn | doxin: no idea right now |
| 11:47.24 | doxin | ._. |
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| 11:47.29 | doxin | valdyn: well, fudge. |
| 11:48.17 | nsadmin | ironm, if you could offer a specific informative question in the form of a complete sentence, that would go a long way towared motivating me to read the post |
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| 11:49.59 | valdyn | doxin: check dmesg for errors |
| 11:50.20 | valdyn | doxin: maybe you need the firmware-linux package |
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| 11:50.32 | doxin | valdyn: whats that? |
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| 11:51.12 | valdyn | doxin: package containing firmware that was previously ( when i had a radeon card ), included in the kernel itself |
| 11:51.13 | babilen | valdyn: radeon? yeah, that's probably the reason |
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| 11:51.34 | doxin | valdyn: just apt-get it? |
| 11:51.34 | valdyn | doxin: however the lack of firmware should have shown in dmesg |
| 11:51.43 | valdyn | doxin: yes |
| 11:51.44 | doxin | ... |
| 11:51.46 | ironm | nsadmin, thank you for your answer. The description of this issue is quite complex so far it is necessary to read the paste-link |
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| 11:52.04 | doxin | valdyn: oh, there it is, "[drm:r100_cp_init] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware!" |
| 11:52.13 | valdyn | doxin: great then |
| 11:52.43 | doxin | valdyn: "Package 'firmware-linux' has no installation candidate" |
| 11:52.52 | ironm | nsadmin, Please allow me one question about IOMMU support in AMDS's 890FX chipset and 6176SE CPUs used in HP DL385g7 servers. These chips support IOMMU as far as I know. BIOS of HP DL385g7 doesn't currently offer an IOMMU flag. |
| 11:52.58 | valdyn | doxin: it is in non-free |
| 11:53.02 | doxin | ah |
| 11:53.05 | valdyn | !tell doxin -about non-free |
| 11:53.17 | doxin | valdyn: i know |
| 11:53.24 | ironm | nsadmin, I have contacted already HP support due to this missing BIOS setting options but less or more my request has been ignored (no solution and no plans for solving of this important issue yet) so I am looking for a workaround as IOMMU support is required for passing through of PCI devices to domU domains (xen 4.0 / 4.1). |
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| 11:53.52 | ironm | nsadmin, I have created xen debian live binary-hybrid iso images with kernel 2.6.39-2 and 3.0.0-rc7 (aufs patch) for easy testing (inside the linke below there is information where you can download these images). |
| 11:54.00 | babilen | doxin: and you want the "firmware-linux-nonfree" package |
| 11:54.11 | doxin | kay |
| 11:54.50 | ironm | nsadmin, http://www.it-infrastrukturen.com/fileadmin/linux/debian-live-xen/README.xen |
| 11:54.57 | valdyn | difference being that firmware-linux gets both firmware packages |
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| 11:55.06 | doxin | valdyn: kay, installed, now what? reboot? |
| 11:55.08 | valdyn | doxin: ^^ and youre doing the more specific thing now |
| 11:55.14 | doxin | hmm? |
| 11:55.20 | valdyn | doxin: nevermind |
| 11:55.24 | valdyn | doxin: reboot is ok |
| 11:55.31 | doxin | brb then |
| 11:55.37 | doxin | crosses his fingers |
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| 11:55.42 | valdyn | doxin: or reload the radeon module , but thats more trouble than a reboot, probably |
| 11:56.04 | nsadmin | interesting... I was thinking of trying xen again, but probably not tonite |
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| 11:57.13 | nsadmin | ironm, I'll just offer ##hardware as an additional source of info in case you donj't find out here |
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| 11:58.12 | ironm | thank you very much nsadmin |
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| 11:59.19 | doxin | valdyn: getting ~800fps on glxgears now |
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| 12:00.43 | nsadmin | one good thing came out of this, and that is that you gave a clear overview of both the area of your problem and approximately what you were experiencing |
| 12:01.26 | nvz | I'm not sure how to explain this, but seems no matter what movie player I use, or what aspect ratio I set it to, I can't get the video to play on more than half my screen. The netbook has a native resolution of 1024x768 and is suppose to be 16:9 but it only uses half the screen width even when set to 16:9 |
| 12:01.50 | doxin | valdyn: mc still crashing tho, it gives "X Error - disp: 0x8552b20 serial: 540 error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)" |
| 12:01.52 | nvz | erm 1024x600 rather |
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| 12:03.11 | nvz | everything shows up square on here... heh.. no matter how widescreen of a ratio I set the video player |
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| 12:04.26 | nvz | I dont even begin to know what to do cause I dont understand whats happening |
| 12:05.02 | tlab | I'm trying to use openembedded but get build failures, I've read I need glibc-static, I can't find this for debian, do I need a different package? |
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| 12:09.02 | nvz | for example a standard webcam video that is shot at 320x240 shows up on here as 264x461 which is way outof ratio |
| 12:09.33 | nvz | its far narrow screen even when told to be widescreen.. makes no sense to me |
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| 12:13.25 | nvz | well guess all the regulars are hiding from the sunday morning crowd... heh |
| 12:13.40 | nvz | looks like I'll have to figure out for myself what the hell these movie players are thinking |
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| 12:14.51 | nvz | mplayer would probably be the most verbose |
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| 12:15.35 | th0r | nvz: vlc allows you to adjust all those settings. |
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| 12:16.18 | nvz | th0r: so does gxine, totem..etc.. its just not doing what its suppose to on this screen |
| 12:16.35 | g0ldfish | what is the difference between the following kernels: linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.32-5-686? |
| 12:16.57 | valdyn | g0ldfish: read the package description |
| 12:17.07 | th0r | nvz: I just got here and don't have your whole question. But I find that video off the web is very often the wrong aspect ratio so I have to adjust and crop it. |
| 12:17.39 | nvz | just tried mplayer and it says its using VO: [xv] 320x240 => 320x240 Planar YV12 |
| 12:17.49 | nvz | but the video comes up and its nothing close to that resolution |
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| 12:18.00 | nvz | its more like 240x460 |
| 12:18.09 | g0ldfish | valdyn: while installing debian, I got this option, which one to choose? http://picpaste.com/fc6247e5fc89cda6950577b4ac56212b.png |
| 12:18.30 | nvz | even at 2.11:1 its still not even square much less wide screen |
| 12:18.41 | Bushmills | mediainfo can be a useful tool to determine actual media file characteristics |
| 12:19.27 | nvz | I know its no the videos.. I can play them on ther machines |
| 12:19.37 | nvz | its this netbook it plays EVERYTHING like that |
| 12:20.03 | nvz | it somehow distorts the ratio of the video no matter what file it is or what player or aspect ratio setting you use |
| 12:20.09 | PerfDave | g0ldfish: 2.6-686 |
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| 12:20.21 | Bushmills | full-screen it. mplayer, press f |
| 12:20.21 | nvz | I don't even understand HOW its doing it |
| 12:20.24 | PerfDave | g0ldfish: Is that an expert-mode install or something? |
| 12:20.37 | g0ldfish | PerfDave: yes |
| 12:20.53 | nvz | please understand that the output of ALL movie players in ALL ratio settings even in fullscreen are not in the right ratio |
| 12:21.02 | PerfDave | g0ldfish: Might I suggest not using expert-mode if you're going to get confused by expert questions? ;) |
| 12:21.45 | nvz | I have a widescreen movie I watched last night.. its already in widescreen, and even scaled as widescreen as they go 2.11:1 its still just barely square |
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| 12:21.59 | nvz | normally its slim horizontally and long vertically |
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| 12:24.00 | nkuttler | nvz: doesn't mplayer let you set a ratio manually? |
| 12:24.05 | nvz | it works fine if I hook up an external display |
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| 12:24.37 | nvz | thats what I am saying here... VLC, Mplayer, Gxine, Totem... etc... regardless of the scaling ratio the videos are all fucking out of ratio |
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| 12:25.00 | nvz | at the highest most widescreen ratio the players allow I achieve almost square |
| 12:25.01 | th0r | attitude works |
| 12:25.07 | nvz | as opposed to slim0-screen |
| 12:25.27 | Virtualmix | When installing package with Synaptic, the Synaptic window steal the focus and pop up in front of other windows at the end of the installation. Any idea on how to change this behavior? |
| 12:25.30 | nkuttler | nvz: maybe you need to pass mplayer the monitor ratio as well |
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| 12:26.09 | nvz | idk thats what I think is happening somehow... but I dont know how |
| 12:26.19 | nvz | it just has no idea what the screen size actually is |
| 12:26.29 | nvz | which is 1024x600 |
| 12:26.47 | nvz | but if that were the case, I'd think setting it to 800x600 or 640x480 would fix it |
| 12:26.50 | nvz | and it doesnt |
| 12:26.51 | valdyn | nvz: is dpi setting correct? |
| 12:27.01 | nvz | that I do not know of |
| 12:27.26 | nvz | xdpyinfo will tell me that?A |
| 12:27.42 | valdyn | nvz: yes |
| 12:27.43 | th0r | nvz: sounds like maybe a driver issue. I am using the same resolution on this netbook and don't have such prob lems |
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| 12:27.49 | [E]sc | does anyone know where i can get a tutorial on how to configure / customize mgm? |
| 12:28.02 | g0ldfish | PerfDave: it's a vm install, just curious, where can I find more info about these options? |
| 12:28.21 | nvz | idk its an Intel GME on here... and its always been like this.. videos are severely distorted |
| 12:28.39 | nvz | flash vidoes played in a browser are the only thing that show up right |
| 12:28.49 | valdyn | nvz: videoplayers can just go by dpi or blindly assume a certain ratio |
| 12:29.01 | PerfDave | g0ldfish: Which options? Check packages.debian.org for the package descriptions, it'll tell you the difference between 2.6-686 and 2.6.32-686 |
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| 12:30.01 | g0ldfish | PerfDave: thankyou |
| 12:30.01 | nvz | valdyn: 58x135 dots per inch |
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| 12:30.17 | valdyn | nvz: that looks wrong, but take a ruler and check yourself... |
| 12:30.19 | nvz | thats what xdpyinfo tells me for resolution |
| 12:30.46 | nvz | haha, how the hell do I check for myself? with my microscope and microscopic tape measure? |
| 12:30.52 | valdyn | nvz: i would guess at your pixels are at least close to being squares |
| 12:31.07 | valdyn | nvz: you just need a ruler |
| 12:31.37 | nvz | so I do the math of the physical size and the pixel res.. i.e. 1024x600? |
| 12:31.43 | valdyn | nvz: you just need your physical screen size |
| 12:31.55 | th0r | nvz: my screen0 is set to 96x96...which sounds more reasonable |
| 12:31.57 | nvz | 7.75in x 4.5in |
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| 12:32.16 | valdyn | nvz: look one line higher in your xdpyinfo, theres the screen size, or what X thinks it is |
| 12:32.23 | valdyn | nvz: that one has to be totally wrong |
| 12:32.40 | nvz | 451x113 millimeters |
| 12:32.48 | valdyn | nvz: you can set dpi or screen size at various places, for example xorg.conf |
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| 12:33.49 | valdyn | nvz: if you have an xorg.conf, Monitor section, set the DisplaySize |
| 12:34.20 | valdyn | DisplaySize 464 290 or Option "DPI" "90x90" is my values |
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| 12:35.50 | nvz | valdyn: the 451x113mm is 17.75x4.44in and the actual size is 7.75x4.5 heh |
| 12:35.59 | nvz | valdyn: it thinks my screen is ten inches wider than it is |
| 12:36.21 | valdyn | nvz: yea |
| 12:36.25 | th0r | nvz: I am running a gateway lt2022u netbook, and the settings here are 270x158 (dimensions) and 96x96 (resolution) |
| 12:36.57 | nvz | th0r: I guess I just need to refer to the documentation on how to specify these settings in my config and then calculate the right values |
| 12:37.13 | nsadmin | doesn't the bot convert physical units? |
| 12:37.15 | nvz | since I am used to imperial/english measurment and its obviously in metric |
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| 12:37.36 | valdyn | !measure 4" |
| 12:37.39 | valdyn | err |
| 12:37.41 | valdyn | no idea |
| 12:38.13 | nsadmin | nvz: that can't be right... 450x110 can't be anywhere near 17x4 |
| 12:38.26 | nsadmin | !test |
| 12:38.27 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 12:38.33 | nsadmin | oh, that's bad news! |
| 12:38.36 | th0r | nvz: 4" would be a little more than 100mm |
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| 12:39.28 | nsadmin | dpkg, 17 / 4 |
| 12:39.29 | dpkg | 4.25 |
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| 12:39.42 | nsadmin | dpkg, 450 / 110 |
| 12:39.42 | dpkg | 4.090909090909 |
| 12:39.52 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe it is close |
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| 12:40.06 | nsadmin | the ratio is anyway |
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| 12:49.21 | nvz | I asked google to conver 431mm to inches it says 17.75 |
| 12:49.45 | nvz | which is 10in wider than my actual screen |
| 12:50.21 | nvz | I figured it had to be the monitor settings but I really wasnt sure how to figure it out or fix it |
| 12:50.25 | nvz | now I got a handle on it |
| 12:50.46 | nvz | just gotta calculate the right values for my screen and figure out how to specify them in the config |
| 12:51.02 | nvz | 96x96dpi is what I'm used to seeing on most my other boxes |
| 12:51.25 | nvz | just gotta convert 7 3/4 |
| 12:51.34 | nvz | inches and 4 1/2" inches |
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| 12:51.51 | nvz | and put that in as the actual size of the screen |
| 12:52.14 | wols | doesn't EDID return the size of the screen automatically? |
| 12:52.27 | nvz | I still don't understand how it arrives at the inccorect conclusion of my screen size though |
| 12:52.43 | nvz | unless as wols just said, the EDID is not working or is coming back wrong |
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| 12:53.29 | wols | have you checked with read-edid? |
| 12:53.35 | nvz | no I havent |
| 12:53.49 | wols | then the course of action should be obvious |
| 12:54.29 | nvz | whats the package name for that utility? |
| 12:54.41 | nvz | needs to find AC power.. battery sucks on here |
| 12:55.15 | devil | nvz: tats the package name |
| 12:55.19 | devil | install it |
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| 12:59.11 | nvz | alright well I should probably go do some configuration on this machine... fix this damn screen issue I've had forever and never fixed, and then setup an interface and preup command for this tether I'm using |
| 12:59.26 | nvz | cause right now I gotta leave the f'n tether running in a terminal and its annoying |
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| 12:59.43 | nvz | pretty sure I can find a more elegant way to connect via my phone |
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| 13:02.29 | nvz | I should glance at the wicd code at some point I believe the client at least is all python |
| 13:02.51 | nvz | I like wicd a lot, but it has to be manually configured and can only control two interfaces |
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| 13:03.28 | nvz | I can't just add easytether0 without changing wlan0 |
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| 13:03.57 | nvz | and if you try use /etc/network/interfaces with wicd daemon running it will cause it to intermittantly disconnect if it finds other networks. heh |
| 13:04.24 | Kharec | lo |
| 13:04.34 | nvz | idk maybe I should go back to using n-m (ugh) |
| 13:07.00 | nvz | easytether is a nice droid app though that has a debian package that works good for usb tethering any android phone |
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| 13:07.59 | nvz | I use the free version, the paid version main feature seems to be allowing https connections |
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| 13:10.14 | nvz | yeah I'm just gonna throw n-m back on I guess and make an icon to run easytether.. it works OTB with n-m |
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| 13:14.13 | doxin | spammers again "Loraa: hi girls fantasy show http://camchat.eu.mn" |
| 13:14.15 | doxin | anyways |
| 13:14.28 | tonikasueps | mmmmm, gcc bootstrap yet done, now passing testsuite tests... stage2 or erhaps stage3 |
| 13:14.33 | doxin | everytime my meseneger bleeps my music stops. wtheck is going on here? |
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| 13:15.49 | nvz | heh |
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| 13:16.15 | crypticsquared | !ops Loraa spamming on join/part |
| 13:16.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: crypticsquared complains about: Loraa spamming on join/part |
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| 13:17.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I am trying to get the beep command to workie,.. |
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| 13:17.10 | nvz | I wish I could somehow take this easytether command and wrap it with a gnome-notification-area type icon deal. heh |
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| 13:17.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | I need to pipe it through my sound speakers what is the device suppose to be |
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| 13:17.32 | nvz | I don't recall gdialog having the ability to do that |
| 13:17.35 | abrotman | wonders if we're going to have to ban turkey again or whatever country that is |
| 13:17.57 | tonikasueps | abrotman: wow, problems with turkey? :s |
| 13:18.06 | nvz | abrotman: hey, if there is gravy and stuffing, then turkey is cool with me |
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| 13:18.55 | abrotman | tonikasueps: i can't remember which country it is .. |
| 13:19.39 | nvz | the problem here is that easytether is a very basic program in therms of UI, it runs on the command line and has two arguments "enumerate" to list the serial number of connected phones, and the "connect" to connect one, and it then waits for you to press ctrl+c to end the connection |
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| 13:19.49 | nvz | I however don't want to leave a terminal open for it |
| 13:20.06 | nvz | now that I think about it, just unplugging the phone kills it... so maybe thats not an issue |
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| 13:21.04 | nvz | all that leaves me is with no real notification if its still connected or not |
| 13:21.58 | nvz | hmmz.. gonna try something.. changed my display settings and installed n-m which I think will solve this problem.. heh |
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| 13:22.53 | tonikasueps | mmmm |
| 13:25.23 | tonikasueps | mmmm, lu |
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| 13:32.50 | nvz | well that was mostly fail.. heh. I set the right info into /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restarted gdm and it still has the wrong info showing in xdpyinfo.. and well adding allow-hotplug easytether0 did allow me to click an icon to run easytether and get online automatically, but it doesn't show connection in my n-m applet like I thought it would :-/ |
| 13:33.42 | shirish | hi all, I am in a directory which has a few sub-directories and quite a few files, 2000+ at last count. Is there a way to get a listing of all the sub-directories and files into say a .txt file. If it was just files in a directory it would be have been easy with $ls > ls.txt or something like that, what do I do so that all the sub-directories will also show with their internal directories and files and so on in the .txt file |
| 13:34.27 | cahoot | using find? |
| 13:34.46 | th0r | shirish: ls has a -R option |
| 13:34.48 | nvz | shirish: ls ./* >> file.txt |
| 13:34.59 | tonikasueps | yeah |
| 13:35.00 | tonikasueps | mmm |
| 13:35.02 | nvz | is the most basic and ugly form |
| 13:35.04 | tonikasueps | even.... |
| 13:35.04 | nvz | heh |
| 13:35.27 | shirish | th0r: thanx |
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| 13:35.37 | shirish | nvz: what would ls ./* >> file.txt do ? |
| 13:35.49 | nvz | people will always suggest find, and it is more powerful but nobody will explain how to use it.. heh |
| 13:36.06 | lamah | how can i enter WPA2-PSK to wlan0 in network setup 'network configuration' in Debian 6.0.2 installer ? |
| 13:36.08 | dobalina | any ops around? |
| 13:36.11 | abrotman | uh .. find . > file.foo |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | dobalina: lots, why? |
| 13:36.15 | nvz | that will list all files and directories from the current working director into a file like you asked |
| 13:36.18 | lamah | DVD |
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| 13:36.27 | dobalina | anyone getting spammed by handsome_m ? |
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| 13:36.46 | abrotman | god damn it |
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| 13:36.58 | dobalina | gracias |
| 13:37.03 | simonlnu | nvz: n-m and interfaces don't work together at all |
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| 13:37.37 | nvz | simonlnu: idk it works OTB on a new squeeze install when you install the easytether package and just run the program, it shows it in the n-m applet |
| 13:37.53 | nvz | but on my netbook its lenny and I was using wicd |
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| 13:38.10 | hugo___ | hm, im creating a deb package and im trying do make dh add a .desktopfile and a menu entry, iv placed my .desktop file in the debian folder, added this http://pastebin.com/JdEPPK9z but it cant find the .desktopfile, where should i put it? |
| 13:38.28 | shirish | thank you all. |
| 13:38.30 | simonlnu | that's new then |
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| 13:39.39 | nvz | simonlnu: yeah idk but on squeeze and ubuntu it shows it as soon as you run the app and the interface becomes available |
| 13:39.54 | nvz | once that tunnel adapter easytether0 comes up n-m shows it connecting |
| 13:40.06 | nvz | apparently lenny just doesn't do that |
| 13:40.33 | Lixxus | is there an embedded linux distro that i can flash to a cf card |
| 13:40.42 | nvz | oh well if I realize I'm not online I just click the icon again.. heh. no biggie |
| 13:40.42 | Lixxus | similar to voyage linux |
| 13:40.59 | nvz | Lixxus: welcome to #debian |
| 13:41.06 | nvz | heh |
| 13:41.24 | Lixxus | hello |
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| 13:41.43 | nvz | this isn't a general linux discussion |
| 13:41.48 | Lixxus | ok bye |
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| 13:42.33 | errorrate | hi i have in my computer linuxmintdebian until now i cant install and use debian because is very dificult but with linusmintdebian is different , although i have a problem the packages from linusmint debian have many errors and faiule |
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| 13:43.21 | simonlnu | lenny is also old and deprecated... |
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| 13:43.35 | nvz | errorrate: installing debian is not difficult, its so easy I could train monkeys to do it |
| 13:43.42 | nvz | you press enter a few times.. |
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| 13:44.02 | errorrate | nvz not debian is very very very dificult for me |
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| 13:44.20 | nvz | only time you gotta actually do something other than press enter is when it has NO highlight automatically when your format |
| 13:44.24 | errorrate | but debian is a linux pure |
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| 13:44.52 | th0r | errorrate: is there a question in there someplace, or just complaining |
| 13:45.34 | errorrate | my question is is here any debian easy for install |
| 13:45.42 | errorrate | is there? |
| 13:45.46 | nvz | yeah its called debian |
| 13:45.50 | nvz | there is only one debian |
| 13:46.02 | nvz | all the others are not debian |
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| 13:46.29 | errorrate | nvz linuxmintdebian was a good idea |
| 13:46.32 | simonlnu | debian is unique. derivatives of debian aren't debian, they're other distros. |
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| 13:46.48 | simonlnu | mint is mint, it's not debian |
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| 13:46.59 | nvz | debian has had a graphical WIDHE compliant installer for quite some time now |
| 13:47.19 | nvz | been what, 4-5 years? |
| 13:47.27 | errorrate | but why linuxmint for example is much better than ubuntu, why why why nvz |
| 13:47.30 | errorrate | nvz |
| 13:47.43 | th0r | errorrate: you should take these complaints to mint...it isn't our problem |
| 13:47.55 | nvz | mint and ubuntu are both off topic here, we don't know or care how they work |
| 13:48.23 | nvz | if you want to weigh pros cons, read http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 13:48.57 | errorrate | sorry but i have linuxmint and ubuntu 11.04 gnome and linuxmint gnome is fabulous is faster is the best |
| 13:48.59 | nvz | especially the part about maintained by its users |
| 13:49.11 | nvz | we are those users, and we don't use mint or ubuntu |
| 13:49.29 | ksuhkux | errorrate, we dont care |
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| 13:50.02 | lduros | Hello, how would I replace python2.6 with python2.7? I want to use the new features in unit testing. I can install python2.7 from source, but thought maybe there's an other way with debian -- thanks |
| 13:50.10 | simonlnu | errorrate: it's off-topic here. please refrain further from discussing them |
| 13:50.21 | errorrate | i wanted a linux pure like debian for this reason i want to use linuxmintdebian because debian is very dificult for me |
| 13:50.29 | errorrate | simonlnu |
| 13:51.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | errorrate: your sob story doesn't make your conversation on topic. please desist |
| 13:51.55 | errorrate | whres the offtopic debian? |
| 13:52.01 | nvz | errorrate: all we can help you with is debian, if you want to elaborate on what your problem is installing debian then maybe we can help |
| 13:52.04 | simonlnu | so pick one, and get it. and go see the relevant channel once you've istalled it. |
| 13:52.09 | errorrate | where is? |
| 13:52.12 | simonlnu | ins* |
| 13:52.19 | nvz | the way I see it is, if you have an enter key and a finger, you can install debian |
| 13:52.39 | nvz | hell a paw or hoof might work too |
| 13:52.46 | ksuhkux | :) |
| 13:52.47 | errorrate | whre is the chanel from linuxmintdebian? |
| 13:52.48 | nvz | just gotta be able to press enter |
| 13:53.09 | cahoot | errorrate, try google |
| 13:53.15 | nvz | wth is linuxmintdebian? heh |
| 13:53.58 | Bushmills | "i cant install and use debian because is very dificult" is not a matter of finger and enter key |
| 13:54.16 | errorrate | nvz linuxmintdebian was a good idea to make a debia easy for all |
| 13:54.25 | Python | lduros: sudo aptitude install python2.7 |
| 13:54.36 | th0r | please don't feed the trolls |
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| 13:54.48 | nvz | oh so people without fingers or enter keys can use it? |
| 13:54.51 | nvz | heh |
| 13:54.59 | errorrate | ok not troll not dictators not more cesure in the world |
| 13:55.01 | petsounds | hi. im having problem with debian squeeze on my eee pc, during the boot i get msg ' unable to enumerate usb device on port 7 ' and when i plugged the usb stick in i get ' wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1 ' can you tell me how can i fix this? thanks |
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| 13:55.19 | simonlnu | errorrate: it's linux mint, not linuxmintdebian. it's at #mint IIRC, on this network |
| 13:55.20 | nvz | I think errorrate is one of abrotman's friends |
| 13:55.20 | karl__ | hi all , i have a problem in squeeze, i have set up autofs to mount a samba share, however, when i have that share open in nautilus and dont do anything for several minutes its automatically unmounted |
| 13:55.35 | karl__ | why is autofs unmounting a folder thats open in nautilus ? |
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| 13:55.54 | errorrate | ok simonlnu thank you |
| 13:56.29 | nvz | karl__: is it actually mounting it or perhaps just browsing it? |
| 13:56.33 | simonlnu | karl__: up your timeout a bit. even if it unmounts it, it'll remount it once it sees a process wanting access (that's the whole point). |
| 13:56.56 | errorrate | simonlnu is that chanel no people |
| 13:57.03 | errorrate | in that |
| 13:57.04 | karl__ | sure, but nautilus detects the unmount and jumps back to my home folder |
| 13:57.08 | karl__ | its very annoying |
| 13:57.24 | karl__ | @nvz: yes it is mounting it |
| 13:57.29 | nvz | errorrate: probably because not as many people as you thought think your mint is easy like you say |
| 13:57.29 | abrotman | errorrate: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 13:57.50 | abrotman | Mint questions belong in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 13:57.54 | nvz | karl__: ah well just sitting in the share doesn't tell it you're doing something |
| 13:57.58 | simonlnu | errorrate: well i may have it wrong, try #linuxmint. better, go see their web site, they probably have it mentioned there. |
| 13:58.04 | nvz | karl__: if it was dropping in a transfer that would be an issue |
| 13:58.06 | simonlnu | abrotman: thank you |
| 13:58.09 | nvz | karl__: its suppose to work that way |
| 13:58.14 | simonlnu | errorrate: see what abrotman said |
| 13:58.16 | karl__ | but would not a filedescriptor be open if its open in nautilus ? |
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| 13:58.44 | nvz | karl__: and what do you want nautilus to do, poll to keep it open? heh |
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| 13:58.56 | errorrate | yeah i want a debian esy for install in my computer |
| 13:58.57 | nvz | even when you're not doing anything but looking at it |
| 13:59.05 | errorrate | easy |
| 13:59.16 | nvz | I told you a dozen times, debian is easy to install.. you put the install media in, boot it, press enter. |
| 13:59.19 | karl__ | hmm, well you may be right. |
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| 13:59.36 | th0r | nvz: if you ignore him he will eventually go away |
| 13:59.42 | nvz | you press enter every time you type something in here.. so obviously you can manage that |
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| 14:00.13 | abrotman | errorrate: are you going to install Debian ? |
| 14:00.23 | karl__ | thinking about it you probably are right, so nautilus is accessing the share only when i browse it, if its just sitting there its not accessing, thus autofs unmounts it. |
| 14:00.29 | errorrate | ok debian is easy for install but when i want to install debian in a part from my disk i have it very difficult |
| 14:00.41 | abrotman | errorrate: what is your native language? |
| 14:00.42 | karl__ | its still very unintuitive to have the folder close while its open in nautilus |
| 14:00.52 | errorrate | spanish |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:01.10 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 14:02.33 | nvz | karl__: I'm sure you can up the timeout on autofs |
| 14:02.48 | nvz | karl__: if its happening too quickly for you |
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| 14:04.09 | karl__ | yap thats what i just did. :) |
| 14:05.32 | nvz | I was looking in gconf but I didn't see the setting in there |
| 14:05.44 | nvz | but thats normal autofs behavior |
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| 14:06.00 | simonlnu | autofs is configured in /etc/ |
| 14:06.12 | nvz | oh, you configure it system wide? |
| 14:06.28 | nvz | hmm.. never fooled with it |
| 14:06.34 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 14:09.48 | nvz | the real nice thing about using easytether free on my phone, is that I can't get on facebook.. heh |
| 14:09.57 | nvz | I can if I'm already signed in.. |
| 14:10.05 | nvz | but it doesn't allow https.. so.. |
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| 14:19.21 | errorrate | Hi I see very difficult to install debian on a partition of my hard disk because the debian installer makes it very complex and difficult than the another automated options as with ubuntu, mandriva linuxmint and most distros |
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| 14:19.59 | valdyn | errorrate: you already told us that its difficult, but whats the problem? |
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| 14:21.06 | errorrate | the problem : is very difficult to install debian on a partition of my hard disk |
| 14:21.16 | sgn | errorrate: How come? |
| 14:21.21 | th0r | valdyn: the guy's a troll....please let's not do this again |
| 14:21.28 | nyuszika7h | Hi! |
| 14:22.12 | errorrate | the troll is the isntaller from debia that is a troll |
| 14:22.44 | nyuszika7h | In apt-cache, there is only python-openssl, but in aptitude, there is both python-openssl and python-pyopenssl. What is the difference between those packages? |
| 14:23.01 | Bushmills | errorrate: use ubuntu then. or mint. |
| 14:23.13 | Bushmills | if you can't install debian, you won't be able to use it. |
| 14:23.24 | sgn | errorrate: I doubt thats the case. You can easily install debian to a single partition then use GRUB to boot it and almost any other OS on the drive |
| 14:23.45 | errorrate | mint is much better than ubuntu mint is the future ubuntu is dead and heavy |
| 14:23.57 | Bushmills | ok. solved then. |
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| 14:24.13 | sgn | errorrate: You can even use BOOTMGR (windows) to boot debian and most other *nix OS's |
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| 14:27.05 | yang | is there a way to propose the package for a new maintainer, current maintainer is 4 years idle |
| 14:27.32 | errorrate | sgs i wantes to install bsd in may machine but bsd lovent my hardware , debian love my hardware but i cant install it in my partition like with another distros |
| 14:27.40 | errorrate | i wanted |
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| 14:29.07 | sgn | errorrate: Sure you can. I can't see how that could even present itself as a problem (unless you have four other primary partitions) |
| 14:29.26 | sgn | errorrate: And NetBSD runs on everything ;) |
| 14:30.00 | errorrate | sgn not bsd in my machine hate my hardware , sure |
| 14:31.23 | tonikasueps | data, facts, not sensations |
| 14:31.27 | ws2k3 | why do i get this error: ./usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx: error while loading shared libraries: libXtst.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory i got ia32-libs already installed.. am i missing something here? |
| 14:31.36 | errorrate | im hungy i go to eat now , bye |
| 14:31.41 | mns | errorrate: what hardware do you have that NetBSD can't install on it ? |
| 14:31.44 | errorrate | hungry |
| 14:32.01 | Wyzard | errorrate: You shouldn't need ia32-libs unless you're using a rather old version of VMware |
| 14:32.04 | errorrate | mns intel centrino duo |
| 14:32.06 | Wyzard | err, ws2k3 ^^^ |
| 14:32.30 | errorrate | nvidia 6400gs |
| 14:32.32 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 14:32.42 | mns | I've got one of those and NetBSD installs just fine. |
| 14:32.50 | errorrate | 2ghz ram 2mhz cpu |
| 14:32.53 | Wyzard | Well, unless you're using a 32-bit version of VMware, more accurately, but 64-bit builds are available |
| 14:32.57 | ws2k3 | well i dont have xserver installed. |
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| 14:33.12 | ws2k3 | but i dont need it because i only run it in nogui |
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| 14:33.27 | errorrate | ok i go to eat see you later |
| 14:33.36 | Wyzard | Workstation I assume, since Server is deprecated |
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| 14:34.07 | Wyzard | It puts a bunch of its own libraries in /usr/lib/vmware/lib, including some X ones, though libXtst isn't there |
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| 14:35.10 | ws2k3 | yes |
| 14:35.39 | Wyzard | looks like they forgot to bundle one of the libraries they need :-) |
| 14:35.55 | Wyzard | Installing libxtst6 ought to resolve it... you can have X libraries installed without having an actual X server |
| 14:36.25 | ws2k3 | hmm can i apt-get install that lib? |
| 14:36.33 | Wyzard | yes, that's the package name |
| 14:37.32 | ws2k3 | apt-get install package name for : libXrandr.so.2:? |
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| 14:38.12 | mns | ws2k3: do dpkg-query -S /path/to/âlibXrandr.so.2 to get the package name |
| 14:38.22 | Wyzard | libxrandr2 |
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| 14:39.27 | dudz_ | to resize a filesystem do you need to use lvm underneath it or can you just use the bare filesystem ? |
| 14:40.00 | ws2k3 | mns thanks u |
| 14:40.47 | dudz_ | i've got a jfs partition that has a raid6 under it, i added another drive using the controller cards online capacity expansion, though i'm unsure if i should have configured lvm before hand so that i can resize to use the new disk space |
| 14:40.48 | Wyzard | dudz_: Resizing a filesystem is done on the filesystem itself, but being able to resize a filesystem much use unless you can resize the block device that *contains* the filesystem |
| 14:40.55 | Wyzard | and LVM helps with that |
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| 14:41.42 | dudz_ | aparently you just use fdisk to delete the current filesystem, create the new one, but that seams distructive to me |
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| 14:42.34 | dudz_ | i've done it before with lvm, but i didn't think to use that with this project |
| 14:42.52 | Wyzard | Deleting a partition with fdisk doesn't destroy any data -- a partition is just a pair of numbers that specify starting and ending locations on the disk |
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| 14:43.08 | Wyzard | If you delete and recreate a partition with the same numbers, the system never knows the difference |
| 14:43.32 | ws2k3 | now when i run : vmrun -T ws start /home/ws2k3/Ws2k3.vmx nogui i get :Error: The virtual machine needs to be powered on. soembody any experience with this? |
| 14:43.39 | dudz_ | but if i create them with new numbers, then just run the mount -o remount,resize that should be me done then hey |
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| 14:44.03 | Wyzard | If you recreate it with the same starting location but a larger size, you get a partition that still contains your filesystem, but has extra space at the end, so you can resize the filesystem |
| 14:44.22 | dudz_ | ok great, thanks Wyzard |
| 14:44.34 | Wyzard | but don't change the partition's starting address, because then the filesystem structures won't be at the correct locations within the partition, and it won't be mountable |
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| 14:45.13 | dudz_ | how i have it now, its primary partition entire size of the disk, so if i just do the same thing i should be fine hey |
| 14:45.23 | Wyzard | You'll need to reboot after you change the partition table, which is what LVM would let you avoid |
| 14:45.30 | dudz_ | or partprobe hey |
| 14:46.00 | dudz_ | so that the kernel re-reads the partition tables ? |
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| 14:46.19 | Wyzard | right, it can't re-read the partition table if any partitions are in-use (e.g. mounted) |
| 14:46.30 | dudz_ | yep sweet |
| 14:47.00 | dudz_ | have you experience with cryptsetup ?, there is some resize option in there aswell i noticed |
| 14:47.46 | mns | speaking of filesystem resizing and such, what does it take to change from ext3 to ext4 ? |
| 14:48.01 | Wyzard | That's for resizing an active in-use mapping to the new size of the underlying device |
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| 14:48.16 | Wyzard | I don't think any on-disk changes are needed |
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| 14:49.21 | Wyzard | mns: https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4 |
| 14:49.40 | mns | Wyzard: thanks. |
| 14:49.46 | Wyzard | but, two things to be aware of |
| 14:49.59 | Wyzard | First, all your existing files are still using block lists, not extents |
| 14:50.31 | Wyzard | Second, if your ext3 was created long enough ago, it may have 128-byte inodes instead of the newer default of 256 bytes |
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| 14:50.58 | raz | anyone have an idea how is it possible for a remote to create an ESTABLISHED connection (as by netstat) without tcpdump seeing a single packet? |
| 14:51.02 | Wyzard | ext4 can take advantage of the larger inode size to store small files' contents right in the inode, I think, and also for extended attributes |
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| 14:51.44 | Wyzard | For both of those reasons, I'd do the backup, make new blank ext4, restore files approach |
| 14:53.48 | Wyzard | Also, the e2fsck command mentioned on that page is dangerous if you're converting your root filesystem |
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| 14:54.02 | mns | I might have to do that anyway Wyzard as I'm not sure if grub2 that I've got will boot from ext4. I should I guess ideally make a separate boot partition |
| 14:54.19 | mns | yeah I read that. |
| 14:54.27 | Wyzard | since it uses -f, it'll make e2fsck try to check the filesystem while it's mounted, which will make it find lots of "errors" and damage the filesystem while "fixing" them |
| 14:54.49 | Wyzard | touch /forcefsck and reboot instead |
| 14:55.04 | mns | I was going to boot from a USB stick and then do the conversion, if at all. |
| 14:55.11 | Wyzard | OK, that'd be safe |
| 14:55.40 | Wyzard | squeeze's version of grub2 does support ext4 |
| 14:55.43 | mns | I didn't realise how simple it was to get a debian-live on a USB stick :) |
| 14:55.52 | mns | I've got wheezy. |
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| 14:55.57 | Wyzard | You should be fine then |
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| 14:58.30 | mns | my biggest problem with debian-live .. which version to use .. GNOME, KDE, XFce, standard or rescue. lol |
| 14:58.49 | Wyzard | For maintenance work, I use the rescue one |
| 14:58.56 | ironm | mns, use gnome |
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| 14:59.21 | mns | the rescue one is a bigger size then the standard one for some reason. I would have thought it would be the other way around. |
| 14:59.50 | Wyzard | It has more tools installed |
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| 14:59.54 | mns | ironm: normally on a day to day basis I use none of the desktops .. simple X11 + stumpwm. |
| 15:00.52 | ironm | mns, I prefer (and use daily) awesome myself .. the best windows manager I have ever seen |
| 15:00.59 | mns | I might just have to make my own build of it with the rescue build being the basis for it. |
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| 15:03.31 | haqe17 | Hello, I am having problems getting compiz + fusion running on my debian (stable) box. it starts up fine (along with compiz-decorator). but when i run compiz-config-settings-managerr im unable to enable any plugins |
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| 15:03.47 | haqe17 | like the checkboxes are greyed out, compiz version 0.8.4 |
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| 15:07.47 | Cubox | hello |
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| 15:08.08 | Cubox | i have updated my computer ( sid ) today, and gnome don't load |
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| 15:08.23 | Cubox | xorg take all cpu with gnome-panels |
| 15:08.42 | haqe17 | sorry, x crashed on me , prev question: compiz plugins arent working and i dont know what the issue is, any help appreciated |
| 15:08.43 | Cubox | i have a nvidia card, with nvidia driver |
| 15:08.55 | Cubox | nouveau does the same problem |
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| 15:13.30 | andref | hi, I'm trying to install VirtualBox from *.deb package, and it says that I do not have libqtcore4 |
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| 15:13.53 | andref | and libqtcore4 needs onother qt libs |
| 15:14.33 | andref | and it looks like a cyclic dependency bacouse every lib needs libqtcore4 |
| 15:14.36 | andref | :> |
| 15:15.17 | Wyzard | apt should take care of the dependencies |
| 15:15.32 | andref | it says that I can use -f option |
| 15:15.56 | andref | but I'm not sure if it is the best way |
| 15:15.57 | mns | andref: just do this --> bash$ aptitude install virtualbox-4.0 |
| 15:16.06 | Cubox | how to downgrade from sid to squeeze ? |
| 15:16.14 | andref | can I use apt-get ? |
| 15:16.20 | Cubox | andref: yes |
| 15:16.43 | Wyzard | Cubox: reinstall |
| 15:16.47 | Cubox | Wyzard: :/ |
| 15:16.55 | mns | andref ... do apt-get install virtualbox-4.0 |
| 15:17.01 | andref | no |
| 15:17.02 | Wyzard | downgrades aren't supported |
| 15:17.07 | andref | it does not work |
| 15:17.17 | Wyzard | !doesn't work |
| 15:17.17 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 15:17.33 | andref | mns Cubox: it gives the same information about libqtcore4 |
| 15:18.38 | mns | can you pastebin what you're seeing ? because that does not make sense one bit with apt-get. |
| 15:18.43 | Wyzard | There doesn't seem to be a "virtualbox-4.0" package in Debian |
| 15:18.50 | Wyzard | There's a "virtualbox" package which is version 4.0 |
| 15:19.12 | mns | oh wait .. duh !! I'm using the Oracle repository ... oops. |
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| 15:19.27 | Wyzard | aka virtualbox-ose in squeeze |
| 15:20.23 | andref | mns Wyzard: it givs the same |
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| 15:20.42 | ws2k3 | when i try to start my vm i get this : Running VMware ESX in a virtual machine requires the outer virtual machine to be configured for running a VMware ESX guest operating system. You may not power on a virtual machine until the outer virtual machine is reconfigured. |
| 15:21.00 | andref | mns, Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/85vcFt2d |
| 15:21.09 | andref | (sorry it is in polish) |
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| 15:21.30 | Wyzard | ws2k3: That should be covered in the VMware documentation |
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| 15:21.56 | Wyzard | andref: virtualbox-4.0 is not a Debian-supported package |
| 15:22.07 | Wyzard | It might be out-of-date or not built for the release you're using |
| 15:22.52 | andref | hmm... so if I type virtualbox, it sould work? |
| 15:22.56 | andref | it doesn't |
| 15:23.03 | mns | andref: do apt-get install virtualbox-ose |
| 15:23.04 | andref | result is the same |
| 15:23.11 | Wyzard | The Debian package is called "virtualbox-ose" in squeeze and it's version 3.x, or "virtualbox" in testing/unstable and it's version 4.0 |
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| 15:24.28 | andref | mns, Wyzard!!!: http://pastebin.com/Jknjj4mu |
| 15:25.01 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 15:25.36 | Wyzard | You still have virtualbox-4.0 installed but not configured, so you should dpkg --purge that first |
| 15:25.40 | Wyzard | Then apt-get install -f |
| 15:25.48 | andref | ok |
| 15:26.32 | Cubox | how to do a bug report ? |
| 15:27.08 | Wyzard | Cubox: apt-get install reportbug |
| 15:27.17 | andref | mns, Wyzard: thanks now it is installing |
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| 15:37.52 | lamah_ | how can I run 'setup' configuration like in cd/dvd installer ? |
| 15:38.15 | Cubox | how to downgrade a package |
| 15:38.16 | Cubox | ? * |
| 15:38.41 | juji | Cubox, sudo apt-get install your_package=version_to_downgrade |
| 15:38.50 | Cubox | thanks |
| 15:38.53 | lamah_ | who knows? |
| 15:39.54 | daemonkeeper | lamah_: Run where? |
| 15:40.13 | lamah_ | daemonkeeper: from command prompt |
| 15:40.27 | daemonkeeper | lamah_: Yes, I mean: on an existing installation or what? |
| 15:40.38 | lamah_ | oh, on installed system :) |
| 15:40.47 | daemonkeeper | What do you want to achieve? |
| 15:40.57 | lamah_ | i need network config |
| 15:41.01 | lamah_ | menu |
| 15:41.18 | daemonkeeper | Just edit /etc/network/interfaces, see interfaces(5). |
| 15:41.24 | lamah_ | I NEED MENU |
| 15:41.28 | jhutchins_lt | !tell lamah_ about networking |
| 15:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | lamah_: No you don't, and don't yell. |
| 15:42.36 | lamah_ | on debian.org one he tells just edit here just edit I am sure users don't know Debian becouse they are a already info from someone and everyonbe knows one song |
| 15:42.43 | lamah_ | this is sad for users* |
| 15:42.57 | Wyzard | Cubox: Downgrading may work for some packages, but not for all |
| 15:43.27 | lamah_ | and how can i run setup menu |
| 15:43.30 | lamah_ | ?! |
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| 15:43.42 | daemonkeeper | lamah_: Please realize you can't use the debian-installer on a existing installation. You can reconfigure most packages which will ask you similar questions, for the network in particular, either by following my or jhutchins_lt instructions. |
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| 15:44.05 | daemonkeeper | Finally there are graphical network configurators, like network-manager. |
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| 15:44.12 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi everyone |
| 15:44.45 | daemonkeeper | Welcome ... |
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| 15:47.11 | koshieFinalReliz | When I'm typing on my Wheezy apache2 -S the output is apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}, an idea ? I don't found a response on Google. |
| 15:47.24 | daemonkeeper | You want to use apache2ctl instead |
| 15:47.29 | koshieFinalReliz | Oh I see :) |
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| 15:47.57 | koshieFinalReliz | Thanks daemon ;) |
| 15:49.17 | koshieFinalReliz | daemonkeeper, |
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| 15:52.14 | ttyS1 | Hello how can I change the output device on debian 6. I plugged in my usb headphones they work fine however the audio is coming out through the computer speakers. how do i change i to use the headphones instead ? |
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| 15:54.54 | ttyS1 | I'm using Gnome and have switched it on system > preferences > sound already but the audio still comes out through the speakers |
| 15:54.54 | bob_ | transmission 2.03 is the one that is in the 6.0 repository. Is there a way I can install 2.22 (other then by installing from source)? |
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| 15:56.25 | thepro4ever | is there a wine channel? |
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| 15:58.39 | jelly-home | thepro4ever: #winehq |
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| 16:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions transmission |
| 16:06.32 | judd | Package transmission on i386 -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; sid: 2.03-2; squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy: 2.03-2; experimental: 2.10-2; experimental: 2.11-1; experimental: 2.32-1 |
| 16:07.16 | jhutchins_lt | bob_: No, but you could request a backport or backport it from experimental yourself. |
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| 16:07.41 | jhutchins_lt | bob_: It won't be available for official backports until it reaches wheezy. |
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| 16:11.26 | tonikasueps | Hi! Do you know why dpkg-buildpackage does not accept some existing architectures (and valid for gcc) such as amdfam10? |
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| 16:14.00 | lamah | how can i run ftp/http mirror configuration menu? |
| 16:14.12 | lamah | !dpkg squeeze mirror |
| 16:14.13 | lamah | !dpkg squeeze mirrors |
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| 16:17.48 | tonikasueps | Hi! Do you know if dpkg-buildpackage can build packages for amdfam10 system type/architecture? (neither is know, with dpkg-builpackage -aamdfam10 or -tamdfam10 or...) |
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| 16:19.50 | jhutchins_lt | lamah: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 16:22.56 | jhutchins_lt | lamah: Dude, this is not windows. Server management is not done with a GUI. |
| 16:23.52 | lamah | what? |
| 16:24.10 | centHOGG | lamah: did you google the reconfig prob you have |
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| 16:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | lamah: Learn to love the CLI. |
| 16:24.24 | lamah | centHOGG: ye |
| 16:24.39 | centHOGG | you just want to reset your mirrors right? |
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| 16:26.07 | jhutchins_lt | Bulgaria. |
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| 16:26.41 | lamah | jhujhiti: i am using with most powerful engeeners in world console 17 years haha and you tells just i am using for more other distro i mean, but i am asking of course for console cli mode menu not for X 'dude' and i am not cancel the tty for this time i mean many years only cli :) |
| 16:26.42 | lamah | haha |
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| 16:27.01 | lamah | what Windows? |
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| 16:29.38 | lamah | learn huh |
| 16:29.54 | jhutchins_lt | Fedora may have more menu driven utilities, but generally linux administration is open-ended and not well suited to menued interfaces. |
| 16:30.02 | lamah | not fedora :) |
| 16:30.13 | lamah | i am a registered in fedora |
| 16:30.32 | lamah | debian is a good distro:) don't worry |
| 16:30.35 | jhutchins_lt | By comparison Debian has always relied on direct text configuration. |
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| 16:31.03 | jhutchins_lt | Believe me, I'm familiar with the RedHat branches, I started out with RH2.1. |
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| 16:31.12 | lamah | ok |
| 16:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | (Not RHEL) |
| 16:31.18 | lamah | i hate radhat |
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| 16:31.26 | lamah | but fedora is lit. differnt |
| 16:31.26 | psiklops | hi. is it possible to install Debian BusinessCard-CD via UMTS? |
| 16:31.30 | lamah | ok here is Debian |
| 16:31.32 | lamah | however |
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| 16:33.06 | psiklops | i know that i need usb_modswitsch, wvdial ppp.... can i download these files to a StorageDevice/mount this and install so that i can execute wvdial that i have a connection |
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| 16:37.20 | Cain | How do I change the name of a debian machine permanently ? |
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| 16:38.58 | jhutchins_lt | !hostname |
| 16:39.00 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 16:39.48 | centHOGG | prepare for the dinkup after doing that |
| 16:39.52 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : thx ! will this change also the name shown on /var/log/syslog ? |
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| 16:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: Yes, you will probably want to reboot to restart all processes that use the hostname |
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| 16:45.18 | mathbr | Are there known issues with GTK 2.24.5 in Unstable? |
| 16:45.41 | mathbr | Hi first, forgot my manners. :-) |
| 16:46.37 | valdyn | mathbr: known issues are in the bts |
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| 16:47.43 | mathbr | Yeah, but I donât see mine. Namely Synaptic being utterly broken and the volume slider of Exaile failing to work. |
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| 16:48.02 | valdyn | mathbr: so report your bug |
| 16:48.04 | mathbr | At least these are the two I noticed. |
| 16:48.15 | Cubox | mathbr: gnome-panel don't load ? |
| 16:48.21 | mathbr | Iâm still trying to grasp the relation between these two. |
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| 16:48.30 | mathbr | Cubox: Xfce here. |
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| 16:49.03 | Cubox | Oh |
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| 16:50.35 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : It works with reboot, thx again : "grep -rIs 'OldName' /etc" helps as well ^^ |
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| 17:07.06 | psiklops | hello. i wish to install debian (businesscard.iso) with UMTS connection.is this possible ? |
| 17:08.07 | psiklops | for example: do dl: ppp, wvdial, usb-modeswitch etc... and exit during install to cliprompt and installing these packages with dependencies? |
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| 17:09.31 | psiklops | if so, how can download only these specific files+dependencies<-automatically) |
| 17:09.50 | wols | psiklops: not really cause at install tiem you don't use a normal debian but a very very stripped down installer debian |
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| 17:10.13 | wols | psiklops: why can't you use netinst and install the needed stuff later on the proper debian? |
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| 17:11.43 | psiklops | wols: i look into that, thanx |
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| 17:12.07 | psiklops | wols: never done that/or hear about it |
| 17:12.24 | Bushmills | or use an sd card. smaller than a business card cd |
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| 17:13.13 | Bushmills | there are tiny usb to micro sd adapter for about 1 $, which make a rather small usb stick |
| 17:13.25 | Bushmills | ehm ... never mind sd card :) use an usb stick :) |
| 17:14.05 | Bushmills | i focused on sd card because they're about as thin as a cd |
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| 17:14.11 | psiklops | Bushmills: what do you mean... is my issue the medium-type ? |
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| 17:14.24 | Bushmills | it's a matter of capacity |
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| 17:15.08 | psiklops | Bushmills: i put the business.iso on cd-rom |
| 17:15.24 | Bushmills | on usb stick / sd card, you can easily get 50 or 100 times the amount of data you can put on a business size cd rom |
| 17:15.51 | psiklops | :-) my cd has 700MB |
| 17:16.11 | Bushmills | " (businesscard.iso) " ... about 40 MiB |
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| 17:16.56 | psiklops | Bushmills: all i have are 700MBcds |
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| 17:17.11 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-zip |
| 17:17.12 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 17:17.23 | Bushmills | well, however, you can run an installed system from usbstick (and install, configure, etc) - but a cdrom is read-only, |
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| 17:18.28 | psiklops | Bushmills: are you saying i can put this system to a USB-STick and run it on another PC ? |
| 17:18.38 | Bushmills | yes, that's right |
| 17:19.06 | psiklops | Bushmills: how would i do that |
| 17:19.09 | psiklops | ? |
| 17:19.14 | Bushmills | i understood that that was your intention - or why would you want a cdrom image with umts support |
| 17:20.15 | Bushmills | there are many pages with instructions in the net. but you could also debootstrap a system to flash, install kernel and boot loader, and go on from there. |
| 17:20.47 | Bushmills | !debootstrap |
| 17:20.48 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 17:20.48 | psiklops | Bushmills: i only have UMTS connection here... no cash and soforth... my Laptop runs Debian, my PC HDD died the otherday, i wanted to install debian to it gain |
| 17:20.50 | psiklops | again |
| 17:21.32 | Bushmills | then you could take a live cd with debootstrap, and prepare an usb stick that way |
| 17:21.46 | Bushmills | or copy the live cd image to a stick. |
| 17:21.58 | Bushmills | debian live |
| 17:22.14 | psiklops | never heard of it, cool |
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| 17:22.35 | Bushmills | can boot from dvd and from usb flash |
| 17:23.16 | Bushmills | cd too small. image is about 900...1100 MiB |
| 17:23.22 | psiklops | Bushmills: thanx |
| 17:23.43 | psiklops | i think i can afford a look into the next Interbnet-Cafe to DL the image.... |
| 17:23.48 | Bushmills | you're welcome |
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| 17:25.25 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:28.50 | Asif | hi....my c-media 8738 sound card does not work with debian (or any other linux distro) how to fix that |
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| 17:29.07 | valdyn | Asif: find the pci id |
| 17:29.14 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 17:29.16 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 17:29.38 | valdyn | Asif: at least you should find out there if its supported at all |
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| 17:30.51 | Asif | valdyn, how...?? |
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| 17:31.02 | valdyn | Asif: dpkg said everything you need to know |
| 17:31.29 | wagstaffj | when i plug in an ipod, how do i know which device it is so that i can mount it? |
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| 17:31.39 | valdyn | wagstaffj: dmesg |
| 17:32.23 | wagstaffj | valdyn: thanks. that was too obvious (i was looking at lsusb) |
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| 17:34.00 | Asif | valdyn, but i am asking about sound card not video card or ethernet card |
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| 17:34.29 | valdyn | Asif: do you have problems understanding what dpkg said? |
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| 17:35.16 | valdyn | Asif: obviously you can ignore the stuff about ethernet or about video cards |
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| 17:35.24 | Asif | valdyn, i think so |
| 17:35.47 | valdyn | Asif: paste the output from lspci -n at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 17:36.03 | LeoNerd | Hi all. What is there in debian stable for logging iptables NFLOG output? I've previously been using ULOG and ulogd, but ULOG is only for IPv4, and I'm now busily adding ip6tables rules, which needs NFLOG. I can't find what might log them |
| 17:36.07 | Asif | valdyn, i got it . i will try and let you know here |
| 17:36.53 | Oadae | I'm attempting to run Debain Live from a USB drive on a new laptop that I created with the LiveUSB Windows program, but I can't get past the login prompt. |
| 17:36.57 | Oadae | Based on search results, I have tried many combinations of "user", "live", "debian" and "casper" with no success. |
| 17:37.17 | Oadae | What is the user and pass to get into the system? |
| 17:37.39 | valdyn | LeoNerd: it all goes into dmesg, which means it goes into /var/log/syslog too |
| 17:38.01 | LeoNerd | Er... |
| 17:38.05 | LeoNerd | That's -j LOG |
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| 17:38.10 | LeoNerd | NFLOG writes packets into a netlink queue |
| 17:38.16 | LeoNerd | which some userland process reads from. |
| 17:38.18 | valdyn | LeoNerd: ok, my bad |
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| 17:38.51 | Asif | valdyn, i will do it later i am not using debian now |
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| 17:39.00 | valdyn | Asif: sure, alright |
| 17:39.32 | wols | http://alioth.debian.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=2211&forum_id=2223 : "Default username, password and hostname of any downloadable iso of Debian Live is: "debian" ." |
| 17:39.37 | wols | Oadae: see ^^ |
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| 17:41.08 | valdyn | LeoNerd: http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter-devel/2007-March/027423.html |
| 17:41.09 | thepro4ever | is there a package for a version of wine newer than 1.0.1 ? |
| 17:41.36 | valdyn | thepro4ever: wine-unstable, but i wouldnt use that |
| 17:41.41 | dekozo | hey guys, i had a little problem now, i use squeeze and all of a sudden my access point stopped showing on the gnome wireless applet and even when i do iwlist wlan0 scan it doesnt show but i'm online now on windows, can i get some help? |
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| 17:41.47 | thepro4ever | valdyn: why not |
| 17:41.52 | Harzilein | hi |
| 17:41.58 | valdyn | thepro4ever: because its far behind upstream |
| 17:42.08 | thepro4ever | upstream? |
| 17:42.13 | wols | dekozo: check dmesg output |
| 17:42.19 | valdyn | thepro4ever: thats winehq.com |
| 17:42.21 | Oadae | wols I tried that and it did not work. |
| 17:42.23 | LeoNerd | valdyn: that's ulogd2. Not in debian stable. stable only has ulogd. And apt-cache search nflog matches nothing useful |
| 17:42.37 | Harzilein | i tried backporting python2.7 to squeeze and while the build ran ok, it appears that on installation some hooks to set up the path got ommitted: http://paste.debian.net/123166/ |
| 17:42.39 | dekozo | wols: i can find another access points, is there some indication i should check the dmesg? |
| 17:42.49 | Harzilein | any idea where to look to have them added? |
| 17:42.51 | camatkara | hi guys, noob here who is having trouble getting a cd to play on antiX. I can rip it but can't play it via gui or cli |
| 17:42.59 | Harzilein | especially /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7 |
| 17:43.18 | wols | Oadae: first you need to check what exact debian live ISO you are using |
| 17:43.35 | camatkara | any advice on where to look re playing audio cds? |
| 17:43.37 | wols | camatkara: what is "antiX"? |
| 17:43.50 | camatkara | it's a debian-based spinoff |
| 17:44.00 | wols | !tell camatkara about based on debian |
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| 17:44.13 | sonander | camatkara: mplayer or vlc? |
| 17:44.15 | wols | camatkara: we don't support it, ask the channel(s) for your distro |
| 17:44.19 | Harzilein | !tell Harzilein about based on debian |
| 17:44.20 | gigo | please recommend a good newsreader that is available in Debian. |
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| 17:45.08 | Harzilein | anyone got an idea about my python problem? |
| 17:45.11 | camatkara | sonander thanks for trying to help. |
| 17:45.32 | Bushmills | gigo: i liked slrn |
| 17:45.39 | sonander | camatkara: you're welcome |
| 17:45.47 | wols | dekozo: then the question boils down to: what have you changed since it worked and now. and dmesg is a good starting point as you asked. if you use WPA, just try to connect via /etc/network/interfaces and ignore n-m for now |
| 17:46.05 | Harzilein | bushmills: i have waited ages for slrn to support utf8 though |
| 17:46.34 | gigo | Bushmills, how do you connect to the Usenet. Do you use a university account or something? |
| 17:46.36 | Oadae | wols I downloaded from debian.org for amd64, here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ (for the LXDE desktop). |
| 17:46.37 | wols | Harzilein: replacing python in your debian is foolish. there are LOTS of packages depending on exact this version of python debian ships with. replacing is pertty much impossible |
| 17:46.45 | Bushmills | Harzilein: probably slang needed that support? |
| 17:46.54 | dekozo | thanks |
| 17:47.02 | Bushmills | gigo: i was running leafnode on a server |
| 17:47.08 | gigo | okay |
| 17:47.23 | ironm | llo - I have problem with new installation of xen 4.1 / debian wheezy (see the error message below when starting new HVM ). The same config works correctly with xen 4.0 / squeeze. Thanks in advance for any hints ;) |
| 17:47.24 | Harzilein | wols: i don't want to replace it. i.e. i avoid installing the python-defaults packages from 2.7, just plain python2.7 |
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| 17:47.48 | wols | Harzilein: still: now you have an unholy mix of both... |
| 17:48.01 | ironm | Error: Device 0 (vif) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working |
| 17:48.29 | Harzilein | wols: i have the suspicion that python-defaults 2.7 might help in setting up the path, but it's quite obvious it will conflict |
| 17:49.16 | Python | is there a debian software center ? |
| 17:49.21 | wols | Harzilein: personally I would compile the python directly from source and install it to /opt. then work via virtualenv or so |
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| 17:49.57 | Harzilein | wols: nothing conflicts and the postinst etc. does not look to clobber 2.7 stuff. i did not set /usr/bin/python to be python2.7. i think you are just superstituous about two packages installed side by side would harm the reverse dependencies |
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| 17:50.15 | ToastigesEtwas | Python: Well, there is that software center from Ubuntu you might already know |
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| 17:50.27 | ToastigesEtwas | Python: Got ported to Debian |
| 17:50.32 | Harzilein | wols: i _did_ compile from source, just using the dpkg/dh setup |
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| 17:51.28 | Harzilein | wols: all i'm asking is where 2.6 got its search path extended, i'd look into getting that set up manually for my 2.7 then |
| 17:51.40 | wols | Harzilein: python packages do a lot of stuff in debconf after unpacking. lots. and imho, your two installations obviously share config files. which is understandable since normally python and its scripts expects only one version around in its usual places. feel free to ignore me however |
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| 17:52.02 | wols | compiling from source without any help from dpkg ensures that config files are not reused like in your case |
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| 17:52.22 | scx | which program i should use to create partitions on SD card? |
| 17:52.32 | valdyn | scx: fdisk |
| 17:52.34 | wols | scx: any partitioning utility |
| 17:52.37 | centHOGG | heh |
| 17:52.43 | centHOGG | that's a big SD card |
| 17:53.09 | Harzilein | wols: 2.7 can coexist with 2.6 and 2.5 in later dists as well. again, i'm _not_ suggesting clobbering python-defaults (i.e. the python, python-doc, etc. packages _without_ the version number) |
| 17:53.15 | valdyn | centHOGG: if its not > 1TB.... |
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| 17:53.25 | scx | when i use gparted, fdisk show errors, cfdisk show errors |
| 17:53.26 | scx | http://wklej.org/id/563062/ |
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| 17:53.31 | scx | http://wklej.org/id/563081/ |
| 17:53.57 | scx | when i use cfdisk, gparted cant show partitions types |
| 17:54.01 | Harzilein | wols: it would really help if we could stop discussing this if you don't know the internals enough to point me to the location python2.6 gets its pymodules path added |
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| 17:55.24 | Harzilein | wols: right now the 2.7 runs exactly as your compiled-from-source one would, i just want to make it aware of modules that the distribution puts in pyshared and ultimately pymodules. |
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| 17:55.27 | scx | valdyn: is fdisk better than cfdisk? |
| 17:55.36 | valdyn | scx: no idea |
| 17:56.02 | valdyn | scx: on your system those tools seem to detect different drive geometry, never had that problem |
| 17:56.03 | centHOGG | idk |
| 17:57.08 | valdyn | scx: i would probably trust fdisk most, but as I said, i have never seen this issue |
| 17:57.26 | ToastigesEtwas | Do you guys know if I can extract a backup of ~ I've made using Deja Dup under Ubuntu 10.10 on Debian Stable? |
| 17:57.41 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: you shouldnt do that |
| 17:57.54 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: but since this is easy to undo, just try |
| 17:58.11 | scx | valdyn: ok, thx |
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| 17:58.30 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: worst case you get some misconfiguration due to incompatible dotfiles |
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| 18:01.00 | sopparus | ok, a really basic question but im going mad!!! in a bash script, if first variable is LAME="/bin/date" and then i echo $LAME should the time be printed and not /bin/date + |
| 18:01.03 | sopparus | ? |
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| 18:01.19 | Bushmills | no |
| 18:01.32 | ToastigesEtwas | valdyn: Doesn't sounds to nice for someone like me who is still a beginner at configurations and stuff |
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| 18:01.50 | wols | sopparus: no. echo `date` prints the date. echo $(date) does too |
| 18:01.51 | sopparus | i guess not, but if i want $LAME to show the time, what am i doing wrong? |
| 18:01.56 | Bushmills | there's nothing executing date. why should it show date? |
| 18:02.02 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: im talking about the configuration of your GUI tools |
| 18:02.12 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: thats not exactly hard or hard to remove |
| 18:02.30 | wols | sopparus: $LAME=$(date) will |
| 18:02.45 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: you would know best which programs you used that might have configuration at ~/ |
| 18:02.47 | Bushmills | alias LAME="date" |
| 18:02.49 | Bushmills | LAME |
| 18:03.02 | wols | Bushmills: script. would this work in a script? |
| 18:03.10 | Bushmills | should, yes |
| 18:03.19 | ToastigesEtwas | valdyn: Just wondering about stuff like Gnome which also has configuration files inside of ~ |
| 18:03.29 | wols | still looks ugly. guess I am no bash user/scripter but prefer "real" languages :P |
| 18:03.34 | Bushmills | or maybe not |
| 18:03.42 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: right, thats another candidate |
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| 18:04.07 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: thing is that ubuntu might have had newer versions than debian/stable has |
| 18:04.20 | ToastigesEtwas | Most likely |
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| 18:04.44 | valdyn | ToastigesEtwas: maybe you restore to a different directory first and put only stuff back that isnt dotfiles |
| 18:05.09 | ToastigesEtwas | valdyn: Either that or I try to backup ~ without any tools |
| 18:05.22 | ToastigesEtwas | Using Nautilus and ctrl+h |
| 18:05.35 | Bushmills | but there's something still unclear about "showing date" ... date assigned to variable, or command string, producing date when executed, assigned to variable? |
| 18:05.44 | sonander | LAME=$(/bin/date). ? |
| 18:06.02 | Bushmills | i.e. when getting date that way twice, which several seconds between, should displayed dates be identical, or differ? |
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| 18:07.19 | Harzilein | i found it in python-policy.txt |
| 18:07.45 | Harzilein | it's /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/python-support.pth |
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| 18:08.31 | Bushmills | for "live" date, i.e. updatied whenever displayed, use LAME() { date ;} and then do LAME as often as needed |
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| 18:10.18 | wols | !tell sopparus about PM |
| 18:10.47 | wols | !tell sopparus about private |
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| 18:12.03 | wols | sopparus: if you want help, do it all in the channel |
| 18:12.18 | kopf | What's the quickest way to uninstall postgresql from my debian machine? apt-get --purge remove postgresql just removed a tiny package that points to others, i think |
| 18:12.34 | primeras | hi my english isn't very well. i have one rar files (php files in there). php files will not come out rar file |
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| 18:13.22 | wols | kopf: usually, uninstall the -common package. |
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| 18:13.29 | kopf | wols: great, will give it a go |
| 18:13.32 | Harzilein | primeras: what did you try? |
| 18:13.33 | Bushmills | sopparus: should you have IM'ed me, be informed that my client automatically /ignore those who did |
| 18:13.43 | Harzilein | primeras: is it a rar file you made yourself? |
| 18:14.03 | Harzilein | primeras: usually unrar x thatfile.rar should work |
| 18:14.33 | wols | primeras: install the unrar from non-free to get support for version 3 rar files |
| 18:15.17 | primeras | Harzilein, wols http://pastebin.com/WtcgPNzm |
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| 18:15.45 | wols | primeras: I told you what to do |
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| 18:16.48 | Harzilein | primeras: the same non-free unrar library wols mentions is in p7zip-rar as well btw |
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| 18:19.19 | sopparus | sorry wols, but I don't understand why it wont print the date, here is pastebin, http://pastebin.com/N8BTH5Tg |
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| 18:21.10 | wols | sopparus: to get the output of a command you use =$(<command>) and you don't do this in line 4. |
| 18:21.44 | Harzilein | sopparus: "" does _not_ expand to the output of the command. `` does |
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| 18:23.48 | sauvin | How would you set up a PS1 so that every time it prints, it shows the current time? |
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| 18:24.59 | wols | sauvin: \D |
| 18:25.00 | Bushmills | PROMPT_COMMAND=date :) |
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| 18:25.39 | wols | !lart Bushmills |
| 18:25.40 | dpkg | whips out his power stapler and staples Bushmills's foot to the floor |
| 18:26.13 | sauvin | Bushmills, that's not what I meant, and you damn well know it. :D |
| 18:26.15 | Igneous | cries |
| 18:26.21 | Igneous | that was just beautiful |
| 18:26.24 | Bushmills | different solution - not changing PS1 - but similar effect: date printing on each line |
| 18:26.41 | Igneous | Set up debian with lvm on top of dm-crypt. *So* trivial. |
| 18:26.57 | Bushmills | "how so i cut a slice of bread with a chainsaw" |
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| 18:27.04 | Bushmills | do .. |
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| 18:27.31 | sauvin | I've heard it can be done, but wasn't paying attention when somebody said "Here..." |
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| 18:28.39 | wols | sauvin: mea culpa. you asked for time. \t or \T then |
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| 18:29.24 | Bushmills | sauvin: are you aware that the chasteneds solution i suggested actually works? |
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| 18:30.08 | wols | Bushmills: as do chainsaws on bread as you remarked |
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| 18:30.35 | Bushmills | that's what i'd call changing PS1 accordingly :) |
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| 18:31.28 | smhar | what is the file that lists the kernel modules that will be automatically loaded? |
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| 18:32.04 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.15 | wols | but normally, kernel modules are simply loaded automatically when needed |
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| 18:33.17 | sauvin | aH. |
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| 18:33.33 | sauvin | Well, that was simple enough. |
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| 18:35.03 | sauvin | decides to pester the man pages with questions |
| 18:36.05 | sonander | man pester |
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| 18:40.27 | sauvin | Why does my debian squeeze's PS1 include references to debian_chroot? |
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| 18:41.47 | Harzilein | ach kacke: |
| 18:41.50 | Harzilein | ewin |
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| 18:46.12 | wols | sauvin: what is the PS1 you have? |
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| 18:46.28 | wols | e.g. the one squeeze put there by default |
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| 19:09.45 | irule | hi, I have a xcerox printer that only works with a samsung driver, it works, the problem is that after the printer is disconnected, and then reconnected, the printer setup goes back to the xerox driver that does not work, how may I fix this? thanks! :) |
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| 19:20.17 | irule | hi, I have a xcerox printer that only works with a samsung driver, it works, the problem is that after the printer is disconnected, and then reconnected, the printer setup goes back to the xerox driver that does not work, how may I fix this? thanks! :) |
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| 19:29.28 | jhutchins | irule: Don't disconnect it. |
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| 19:48.07 | john_rambo | I used to do zypper -wp (what provides) in openSUSE ..... How to do that in aptitude ? |
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| 19:49.29 | devil | john_rambo: what does it do? list depends? |
| 19:49.48 | devil | (my last suse was 5.x) :) |
| 19:51.17 | john_rambo | devil, I am trying to find which package provides libGL.so.1.2 |
| 19:51.26 | andref | hi |
| 19:51.32 | devil | john_rambo: apt-flie earch |
| 19:51.38 | devil | apt-file even |
| 19:51.50 | devil | you need to install it maybe |
| 19:51.55 | andref | any idea why X -configure does not work |
| 19:51.58 | andref | ? |
| 19:52.25 | ompaul | welcome to the year 2011 |
| 19:52.36 | ompaul | !doesn't work |
| 19:52.36 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 19:52.41 | andref | Server is already active for display 0 |
| 19:52.48 | andref | :) |
| 19:52.48 | ompaul | ctrl alt F7 |
| 19:53.04 | andref | you are not patient :> |
| 19:53.28 | ompaul | you want help I made a suggestion |
| 19:53.32 | andref | it says(truly, that my X windows system is runnning) |
| 19:53.36 | ompaul | you say nothing - I consider thing fixed |
| 19:53.48 | ompaul | did you ctrl alt F7 |
| 19:53.51 | ompaul | yes or no |
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| 19:54.05 | andref | no |
| 19:54.06 | andref | :> |
| 19:54.09 | ompaul | please do so |
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| 19:54.25 | andref | :) |
| 19:54.29 | ompaul | result? |
| 19:54.34 | andref | I think I'm an idiot :> |
| 19:54.43 | ompaul | not the intended outcome |
| 19:54.53 | devil | john_rambo: sorry for typos, apt-get install apt-file. then apt-file search libGL.so.1.2 |
| 19:54.57 | andref | X are running - and it is true as I've sad |
| 19:54.59 | andref | :D |
| 19:55.05 | devil | john_rambo: your answer is probably: libgl1-mesa-glx |
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| 19:55.12 | andref | but, I wont to generate x.conf |
| 19:55.14 | andref | !!! |
| 19:55.14 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 19:55.30 | ompaul | andref: do you have X running, yes or no please |
| 19:55.30 | devil | andref: xorg.conf is mostly deprecated |
| 19:55.37 | andref | ompaul: yes |
| 19:55.50 | ompaul | andref: you don't need an xorg.conf anymore |
| 19:55.59 | ompaul | these days X mostly autoconfigs |
| 19:55.59 | andref | devil: I know but I see that the screen resolution is bad |
| 19:56.01 | andref | :P |
| 19:56.10 | andref | so I have to set it up |
| 19:56.18 | devil | andref: you mean wrong? |
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| 19:56.38 | andref | I mean 800x600, not 1024x7 |
| 19:56.48 | devil | andref: what driver? |
| 19:56.53 | andref | radeon |
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| 19:57.12 | andref | (I know that radeon is depricated) |
| 19:57.13 | andref | :P |
| 19:57.14 | devil | andref: as user: xrandr | grep -i max |
| 19:57.28 | wols | andref: no it's not |
| 19:57.35 | devil | andref: why would radeon be deprecated? |
| 19:57.49 | andref | it is AMD now |
| 19:57.50 | andref | :P |
| 19:57.57 | devil | nope |
| 19:58.01 | wols | the cards are stil named radeon |
| 19:58.15 | andref | maybe, I have coputer from 2004 |
| 19:58.24 | andref | :) |
| 19:58.31 | devil | andref: as user: xrandr | grep -i max |
| 19:58.44 | ompaul | andref: two things, please stop using enter after every line and then putting a smiley on the next line, and please stop :P this is not IM it is irc |
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| 19:59.00 | ompaul | is a grumpy old timer |
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| 19:59.10 | devil | ompaul is right. |
| 19:59.24 | devil | besides being old and grumpy. |
| 19:59.25 | andref | devil, ompaul: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096 |
| 19:59.37 | ompaul | hehe |
| 19:59.44 | devil | andref: xrandr -s 1024x768 |
| 19:59.46 | andref | :> |
| 20:00.18 | devil | andref: does that work? |
| 20:01.06 | devil | oh, sorry, you seem to have 1024x768 already |
| 20:01.07 | andref | nope, but now I think it might be good resolution |
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| 20:02.04 | devil | andref: how did you get the idea, you are using 800x600? |
| 20:03.26 | andref | I could not configure Bouml in my resolution, because first config window goes out of screen(I do not see all options) |
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| 20:03.52 | andref | I mean it is too big |
| 20:04.19 | macs | i <3 This Distro =] |
| 20:04.19 | devil | no idea what Bouml is |
| 20:04.41 | andref | devil it is a UML modeling tool |
| 20:05.35 | andref | devil, do you know how to check if hardware acceleration is used(radeon driver)? |
| 20:05.59 | devil | andref: glxinfo | grep direct |
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| 20:06.53 | andref | devil: it says "direct rendering: Yes", how should I understand it? |
| 20:07.17 | devil | andref: it has 3D capabilities |
| 20:08.17 | andref | is it equal to hardware (software has 3D abilities too) |
| 20:08.46 | devil | andref: you can also check http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature for what radeon can do for your card |
| 20:08.53 | devil | bbiab |
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| 20:10.40 | john_rambo | devil, Thanks |
| 20:10.52 | devil | yw |
| 20:10.55 | andref | devil: thanks |
| 20:11.07 | devil | yw as well. |
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| 20:12.14 | hovel | is total agreement with macs <3 |
| 20:12.23 | macs | =] |
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| 20:18.18 | cromag | !killproc |
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| 20:19.06 | fleischergesell | Hi, I have a question about routing. My router box has two interfaces, eth0 and eth1. eth0 is connected to a dsl modem and eth1 is connected to my lan switch. I use the subnet 192.168.0.0/24 for my lan. My problem is: The dsl-modem has a gui that can be reached via browser, and I assigned the ip 192.168.0.4 to it. I cannot reach it from workstation nor from the router itself (no route two host), which I understand. But I |
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| 20:20.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:21.30 | cromag | has killproc been removed or renamed ? |
| 20:21.44 | fahad | hi, anyone know how to get the squeeze installer to use wired netwrok instead of wifi? |
| 20:21.55 | fleischergesell | Is this too confusing? I can draw a schema if this helps. |
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| 20:22.54 | JyZyXEL | how do you see if NCQ is enabled for a disk? |
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| 20:23.47 | fleischergesell | JyZyXEL: Is AHCI enabled in Bios? |
| 20:24.01 | fleischergesell | If not, there won't be any NCQ anyway |
| 20:24.15 | JyZyXEL | eh.. |
| 20:24.45 | JyZyXEL | NCQ is not an AHCI only feature |
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| 20:25.37 | fleischergesell | Well, you're right, it is supposed to work with Intel SATA-Ports and native Intel drivers |
| 20:25.40 | lachwas | can anyone help me with this? |
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| 20:35.10 | fleischergesell | JyZyXEL: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_FAQ |
| 20:35.21 | fleischergesell | section Enabling, disabling and checking NCQ |
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| 20:35.49 | JyZyXEL | thank you |
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| 20:38.59 | leandrotoledo | hello |
| 20:39.13 | Maylow | good evening :) |
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| 20:50.59 | Tigerboy | Anyone know if it is best to update to Iceweasel/icedove from sid or testing? I tried backports and it seems to not have the 5.0 versions. |
| 20:51.01 | smhar | I have a strange problem: I have 2 harddisks on my computer, harddisk which has debian installed dual booting with windows and Grub is installed there, there is no problem. The second harddisk is added later, for storage and experimentation. I added the second harddisk partitions to /etc/fstab as /dev/sdbn , and they mount normally. |
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| 20:51.47 | smhar | but after I reboot, they -sometimes- do not mount, until I change them to /dev/sdan !!! |
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| 20:52.10 | bizy | Hey, how do i get USB audio working? |
| 20:53.18 | leandrotoledo | bizy: normally, just plug and play |
| 20:53.28 | bizy | leandrotoledo, no its not working. |
| 20:53.32 | bizy | but i think i may have found somthing |
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| 20:53.57 | leandrotoledo | bizy: lsusb -v |
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| 20:54.44 | wols | Tigerboy: both, testing and sid versions will hose your debian. use mozilla.debian.net instead |
| 20:54.56 | bizy | brb |
| 20:55.12 | wols | smhar: use UUIDs then |
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| 20:56.43 | nyuszika7h | Lol, 1111 nicks |
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| 20:57.45 | smhar | wols, Disk 1 with debian installed uses UUIDs, |
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| 20:58.25 | devil | smhar: also in fstab? |
| 20:58.28 | wols | smhar: and? |
| 20:59.11 | Tigerboy | wols: thank you so much I was wondering because there is so many requirements on the sid install. |
| 20:59.18 | ironm | Error: Device 5632 (vbd) could not be connected. Path closed or removed during hotplug add: backend/vbd/4/5632 state: 1 |
| 20:59.28 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/123202/ |
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| 20:59.58 | ironm | does one of you run xen 4.1 on wheezy ? |
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| 21:00.35 | wols | !anyone using xen 4.1 on wheezy |
| 21:00.35 | dpkg | No, no one uses xen 4.1 on wheezy, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:00.57 | bizy | Okay usb audio fixed |
| 21:01.11 | bizy | And now how do i go about gettin xhci-hcd installed? |
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| 21:02.11 | ironm | wols, I can't follow you post before |
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| 21:02.43 | devil | ironm: it means: ask your real question |
| 21:03.51 | ironm | devil, why I am getting this error: Error: Device 5632 (vbd) could not be connected. Path closed or removed during hotplug add: backend/vbd/4/5632 state: 1 - http://paste.debian.net/123202/ |
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| 21:04.42 | devil | ironm: i havn't the slightest idea on xen |
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| 21:04.59 | ironm | thank you devil ;) |
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| 21:05.09 | ironm | wols maybe you? |
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| 21:10.59 | mercora | hello everyone :) |
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| 21:13.36 | smhar | devil, in fstab: http://paste.debian.net/123204/ |
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| 21:14.51 | devil | smhar: whats on the 'other harddisk'? |
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| 21:15.05 | techknowlust | is it possible to install debian on a Mac Mini from a USB key ? |
| 21:15.39 | mercora | ive got some strange problems trying to use dropbear for setting up a cryptvolume in an initrd.... when i try to decrypt the the hd on a live system everything works just fine.... is there a known issue ?? |
| 21:16.25 | smhar | devil, harddisk2, downloads, documents, experimentation, disto testings, etc |
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| 21:16.56 | smhar | devil, it is the one that has its id switched between boots -sometimes- |
| 21:16.57 | devil | smhar: you could use UUID there as well |
| 21:17.09 | fenugreek | or a label |
| 21:17.16 | devil | smhar: blkid will tell you |
| 21:17.42 | smhar | blkid? |
| 21:17.54 | smhar | fenugreek, label? |
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| 21:18.08 | fenugreek | you can assign generic labels (names) to most filesystems |
| 21:18.25 | fenugreek | command varies by FS |
| 21:18.40 | fenugreek | tune2fs for ext, IIRC |
| 21:18.50 | fenugreek | gparted can do them, too |
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| 21:19.19 | Tigerboy | Is it true that Iceweasel "aurora" is now version 6x and beta is 5? |
| 21:19.46 | smhar | fenugreek, nothing in cfdisk |
| 21:20.46 | fenugreek | Tigerboy: that'd bef unny |
| 21:20.53 | bizy | Could any one help me get put in the right direction for getting usb 3 enabled? |
| 21:21.01 | fenugreek | smhar: cfdisk is significantly less complex than gparted |
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| 21:22.21 | Tigerboy | I think aurora is the name for their alpha phase |
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| 21:22.37 | bizy | my usb devices only work when i plug them in before booting the OS |
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| 21:22.59 | fenugreek | that's odd, there's a whole webkit frontend called aurora |
| 21:23.13 | fenugreek | bizy: sounds like you don't have 'hotplugging' |
| 21:23.44 | bizy | fenugreek, right whats wrong here? |
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| 21:24.04 | bizy | fenugreek, i think it has somthing to do with usb3 |
| 21:24.08 | fenugreek | dunno, guess you could be missing something |
| 21:24.12 | fenugreek | oh usb3? |
| 21:24.12 | niko | someone is aware about an issue with 2.6.39-2-686-pae and nvidia driver ? |
| 21:24.24 | fenugreek | bizy: but they aren't _all_ USB3, are they? |
| 21:24.49 | fenugreek | niko: if you suspect an issue, just downgrade (or better yet, upgrade) and see if it goes away |
| 21:25.22 | niko | module-assistant is ok to compile it, but startx fails |
| 21:26.39 | niko | at least, i can use NV, but it lags too much for my needs |
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| 21:28.17 | devil | niko: is that testing? |
| 21:28.33 | devil | niko: and nv is dead and gone |
| 21:28.54 | devil | niko: maybe you mean nouveau |
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| 21:32.13 | devil | smhar: just enter blkid in a terminal |
| 21:33.33 | niko | devil: it's a testing/sid - pinning |
| 21:33.48 | devil | niko: nvidia is b0rken in testing |
| 21:33.59 | niko | yes, i see :) |
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| 21:34.13 | devil | due to multiarch transition |
| 21:34.25 | niko | also, i hate to have my graphic card fan at high speed :) |
| 21:34.44 | devil | niko: you can either use the packages from stable or sid |
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| 21:34.56 | devil | where sid is to be preferred in this case |
| 21:35.45 | devil | before getting those, you need to purge ANY nvidia-related package |
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| 21:40.27 | MSTRCNVS | I installed samba, and somehow, a program overwrited the original configuration files, like smb.conf, how can I restore the original smb.conf, I tried reinstalling the package, but nothing ... |
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| 21:43.22 | fleischergesell | MSTRCNVS: There should be a smb.conf.ucs-dist in /etc/samba - it not, either reinstall with a --purge before or look in /usr/share/samba |
| 21:44.14 | MSTRCNVS | fleischergesell: aptitude reinstall --purge samba? |
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| 21:47.36 | Tigerboy | iceweasel aurora is version 7 now... I had a time getting beta to install because of a missing dependencey... I am using the liquorix kernel and that works great as far as hardware otherwise I have preferences set as debian stable preferred |
| 21:47.53 | devil | MSTRCNVS: aptitude install --reinstall samba |
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| 21:48.36 | Tigerboy | iceweasel 7 is very fast but doesn't have all the add-ons yet |
| 21:48.56 | devil | Tigerboy: you can eliminate add-on check |
| 21:49.20 | Tigerboy | devil: should the old addons work in version 7? how do I eliminate it? |
| 21:49.54 | devil | Tigerboy: they do work. they might crap out and create strange errors though |
| 21:50.01 | devil | but i dont use many |
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| 21:52.19 | Tigerboy | devil: do you know what the no check for addon is in about:config? is there a way to get the addons back? It wiped them out booting up iceweasel in the initial check. |
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| 21:54.09 | devil | Tigerboy: extensions.checkCompatibility.7.0.a : boolean : false |
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| 21:56.38 | Tigerboy | devil: that is missing from my install |
| 21:57.00 | devil | yeah, you need to edit it |
| 21:57.39 | Tigerboy | devil: I need to add the preference? the item is not listed |
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| 21:58.17 | devil | yes |
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| 21:58.49 | devil | right click, new - boolean |
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| 21:59.24 | macs | how do i install glibc??? |
| 21:59.33 | devil | and be aware it might shoot you in the foot |
| 22:00.10 | Tigerboy | devil: looks like you might be able to change the version of Moz you appear to have to addons with extensions.enabledaddons if I can find a uuid for a version five somewhere |
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| 22:00.18 | winter | 1st |
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| 22:01.46 | devil | Tigerboy: no idea, i just enabled this because i need TMP |
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| 22:02.54 | Blue1 | ru trying to find a device uuid? |
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| 22:03.24 | devil | ru? |
| 22:03.35 | Blue1 | nm |
| 22:03.38 | tonikasueps | mmm |
| 22:03.56 | tonikasueps | ru=are you... |
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| 22:04.05 | devil | tonikasueps: i know |
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| 22:04.14 | tonikasueps | ok :) |
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| 22:04.34 | Blue1 | anyway sudo blkid will list device uuid's easily |
| 22:04.48 | devil | Blue1: he is not looking for a device UUID |
| 22:05.07 | devil | Blue1: and no sudo needed in debian :) |
| 22:05.10 | Blue1 | devil: it's why I asked if he was looking for a device uud. |
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| 22:05.37 | Blue1 | devil: i come from the ubuntu world - so it made the learning less painful |
| 22:05.53 | devil | thought so. |
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| 22:06.18 | Blue1 | debian bit me in several places but I muddled through |
| 22:06.44 | devil | was it worth it? |
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| 22:07.05 | Blue1 | devil: hard to tell - I didn't quite like the direction ubuntu is heading. |
| 22:07.21 | Blue1 | maybe we should -- off topic? |
| 22:07.28 | devil | i could say more, but i wont :P |
| 22:07.42 | Blue1 | devil: private message ok? |
| 22:07.54 | devil | Blue1: nope :) |
| 22:08.01 | Blue1 | ok |
| 22:08.01 | devil | too busy in other channels |
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| 22:08.42 | Blue1 | suffice to say I broke unity in 3 min w/o trying - so I put debian not my netbook |
| 22:08.48 | tonikasueps | me... i started in 199¿5? with redhat, soon i headed to debian but in the last years, drom woody to lenny, i used ubuntu, now i have debian again, with squeeze... i prefer debian, but perhaps it lacks packages... that's why i'm trying to learn to build :) |
| 22:08.58 | Tigerboy | devil: know of a way to reenable the addons? |
| 22:09.09 | Blue1 | i started almost 7 years ago with suse |
| 22:09.35 | devil | Tigerboy: renable? after the edit they just worked here (after restarting iceweasel) |
| 22:09.50 | Blue1 | tonikasueps: yeh it does lack the package installs the ubuntu does for you - and that bit me several times |
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| 22:09.59 | Blue1 | who runs their system without java? |
| 22:10.05 | ompaul | all the none support stuff is welcome in #debian-offtopic we talk all sorts of stuff there mostly offtopic as in the name |
| 22:10.06 | tonikasueps | hehehe |
| 22:10.13 | Tigerboy | devil: nope they are grayed out and say disabled |
| 22:10.18 | Blue1 | ompaul: ok |
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| 22:10.24 | tonikasueps | ok, ompaul, so we'll go there :) |
| 22:10.28 | tonikasueps | (too) |
| 22:10.37 | Blue1 | i am there. |
| 22:10.43 | devil | tonikasueps: it does not matter what they say, they work here |
| 22:11.09 | devil | tonikasueps: sry |
| 22:11.14 | devil | Tigerboy: ^ |
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| 22:12.17 | Tigerboy | I think I'm going to go back and try to make the other version work |
| 22:12.23 | tonikasueps | mmm? they work here? amm |
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| 22:15.00 | Tigerboy | browser-plugin-lightspark is a new high performance open source flash alternative for Linux (in alpha stage) |
| 22:15.10 | devil | biab |
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| 22:18.26 | Tigerboy | You know adobe shouldn't be allowed to have their features only-- pinning users to their version of flash at a current version number... you can't even see hulu without the very latest flash. |
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| 22:24.54 | macs | how do i install glib? |
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| 22:26.46 | thepro4ever | when i stick my install disc in it's mounted giving root execute permission on the executables, is there a way to mount it giving all users or a specific user execute permission? |
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| 22:28.10 | fenugreek | macs: apt-cache search glib, find exact name, apt-get install it |
| 22:28.22 | macs | tyvm |
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| 22:36.38 | thepro4ever | when i stick my install disc in it's mounted giving root execute permission on the executables, is there a way to mount it giving all users or a specific user execute permission? |
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| 22:37.01 | thepro4ever | it won't let me change permissions on the files after it's mounted because it's a read only fs |
| 22:37.05 | thepro4ever | or something |
| 22:37.06 | Tigerboy | if I have iceweasel 7 installed how can I revert back to beta? |
| 22:37.08 | thepro4ever | i'm no mount expert |
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| 22:38.24 | craigevil | Tigerboy change your sources.list to point to the beta and apt-get install iceweasel |
| 22:38.56 | Tigerboy | yes it is but it is saying: you have the newest version |
| 22:39.30 | Tigerboy | oh i can specify it in preferences? |
| 22:39.44 | craigevil | use Synaptic and choose Force Version, or you can use aptitude to install a specific version |
| 22:39.54 | fenugreek | why would you want to revert |
| 22:40.04 | Tigerboy | I am still trying to figure out aptitude |
| 22:40.15 | devil | then use apt |
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| 22:40.49 | craigevil | experimental has the beta, apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel |
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| 22:41.36 | Tigerboy | craigevil: yes I asked about exp, sid and testing and I was told it crashes everyone's computer |
| 22:41.58 | devil | Tigerboy: what crashes? |
| 22:42.17 | Tigerboy | devil: if you install iceweasel from one of those |
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| 22:42.26 | devil | Tigerboy: why would it? |
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| 22:43.02 | Tigerboy | devil: I have no idea but I was told by wohl or something similar that I must install from moxilla directly |
| 22:43.39 | devil | Tigerboy: you must not do anything, but, if you have squeeze, packages from mozilla.debian.net are better suited |
| 22:43.40 | Tigerboy | devil I assume problem with the particular file changes such as gstreamer etc |
| 22:43.43 | craigevil | iceweasel 5 in sid works just fine so do the versions in exp and 7 from the mozilla.debian.net repo |
| 22:43.58 | thepro4ever | when i stick my install disc in it's mounted giving root execute permission on the executables, is there a way to mount it giving all users or a specific user execute permission? |
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| 22:44.15 | craigevil | but as devil said if you are running squeeze use the mozilla.debian.net repo |
| 22:44.15 | thepro4ever | yes, your wait is over |
| 22:44.44 | Tigerboy | iceweasel: Ihave 7 from mozilla and yes fine but it doesn't have my addons |
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| 22:45.24 | Tigerboy | craigevil: I am running squeeze as my preferred in preferences but I have the liquorix kernel |
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| 22:48.20 | moele | is iceweasel being deprecated and being hcanged over to aurora? |
| 22:48.27 | devil | Tigerboy: you have aurora in sources.list. remove that. other than that, look at http://mozilla.debian.net, it has all you need |
| 22:48.40 | Tigerboy | devil: thanks but yes I did remove it |
| 22:48.51 | devil | moele: no, aurora is just a branch in the new release model |
| 22:48.59 | devil | Tigerboy: go read. |
| 22:48.59 | Tigerboy | Devil: it still says you have the latest -- no deal |
| 22:49.05 | devil | go read. |
| 22:49.17 | moele | devil, thats what i thought |
| 22:49.18 | devil | it also needsw a apt-get update |
| 22:49.23 | thepro4ever | my fstab shows, /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 22:49.30 | devil | Tigerboy: ^ |
| 22:49.33 | moele | devil, some guy at work was telling me it was being deprecated but that sounded like hogwash |
| 22:49.33 | thepro4ever | how do i set it to mount with execute permissions for all users? |
| 22:49.40 | devil | thepro4ever: hdd? how old is that? |
| 22:49.47 | Tigerboy | devil: yep did all that thanks |
| 22:49.50 | thepro4ever | devil: i wouldn't know how to tell |
| 22:49.52 | moele | devil, and i have found no corroborating evidence to indicate the truthfulness of his statement |
| 22:50.12 | devil | thepro4ever: hdd is deprecated. sdx is valid now |
| 22:50.18 | thepro4ever | my fstab shows, /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 , how do i set it mount with read and execute permissions for all users and not just root |
| 22:50.24 | thepro4ever | devil: yeah but i don't have sdx |
| 22:51.02 | dym | Where do I find lame to encode wav to mp3? debian multimedia doesnt seem to hold liblame... |
| 22:51.15 | devil | dym: in multimedia repo |
| 22:51.26 | dym | thanks for reading the entire line. |
| 22:51.31 | devil | i did |
| 22:51.37 | dym | http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze/main |
| 22:51.43 | dym | doesnt seem to be on there. |
| 22:51.53 | devil | no idea on squeeze, sorry |
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| 22:52.16 | Black_Prince | libmp3lame is the library. |
| 22:52.36 | Black_Prince | libmp3lame0 to be more precise |
| 22:53.07 | dym | Black_Prince: doesnt seem to be on there. |
| 22:53.09 | dym | cant find it. |
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| 22:53.36 | dym | wait |
| 22:53.45 | dym | actually is. thanks. |
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| 22:54.06 | dym | Black_Prince: what do i need to execute lame from commandline? |
| 22:54.21 | dym | I want to convert wav to mp3 |
| 22:54.34 | rhenani | hello guys, I have a question. I have two computers one of them has debian without anyting else even graphical interface just debian that's it and my personal computer which is the one I'm using right now |
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| 22:54.54 | rhenani | I want to copy a file from this computer to that one using rsync |
| 22:55.05 | Black_Prince | dym, ffmpeg could do that, but you need one from debian multimedia :) |
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| 22:55.18 | rhenani | My other computer has rsync already and ssh |
| 22:55.29 | dym | Black_Prince: ive got ffmpeg - how do i proceed? |
| 22:55.36 | dym | ffmpeg and the lame lib |
| 22:55.56 | devil | Black_Prince: who wants ffmpeg from multimedia? isnt there other ways to spoil your day? |
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| 22:57.00 | Black_Prince | devil, I never had problems with it nor vlc |
| 22:57.09 | craigevil | why wouldnt you want ffmpeg from dmm? it and its friends work just fine |
| 22:57.15 | devil | well, in sid you will |
| 22:57.20 | memnon | rhenani: And? |
| 22:57.30 | Black_Prince | devhell, I guess I'll never use sid :P |
| 22:57.33 | Black_Prince | er devil |
| 22:57.42 | craigevil | ive alwasy used ffmpeg from dmm no problems with it or vlc in sid |
| 22:57.50 | Black_Prince | craigevil, +1 |
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| 22:58.20 | craigevil | seen issues with ffmpeg from dmm on stable with totem and vlc but never in sid |
| 22:58.26 | devil | craigevil: probs arise if people mix dmm and sid. libav and friends just go bust |
| 22:58.36 | Black_Prince | dym, http://howto-pages.org/ffmpeg/#basicaudio |
| 22:59.15 | devil | craigevil: i have had this too often in support on upgrades of ffmpeg or vlc |
| 22:59.21 | Black_Prince | craigevil, I use stable with dmm's ffmpeg, and vlc nor totem didn't gave me any problems yet. |
| 22:59.37 | craigevil | sounds like more sidux/aptosid fud, search the forums.debian.net the only issues are with stable and those rarely |
| 22:59.44 | devil | Black_Prince: probs happen on upgrades |
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| 23:00.01 | devil | craigevil: what would be the difference? |
| 23:00.18 | devil | craigevil: and no, no fud, i fixed it too often |
| 23:00.20 | Black_Prince | devil, sure it is required to run dist-upgrade if you want to upgrade stable-ffmpeg to dmm-ffmpeg ... There may be the problems. Since all libs did not get upgraded |
| 23:00.59 | dym | Black_Prince: Unknown encoder 'mp3' |
| 23:01.10 | Black_Prince | dym, apt-cache policy ffmpeg |
| 23:01.13 | fenugreek | dmm? |
| 23:01.14 | craigevil | amazing that my desktop that has been running sid for 7 yrs has never had any issues with using dmm repo |
| 23:01.22 | Black_Prince | !dmm |
| 23:01.22 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 23:01.30 | Black_Prince | craigevil, +2 |
| 23:01.44 | devil | craigevil: not all sid users know what they do |
| 23:02.04 | Black_Prince | devil, it is sure that sid is not for them ... |
| 23:02.14 | devil | go tell |
| 23:02.31 | craigevil | i know crap, all i do is run apt-get dist-upgrade daily and hope apt-listbugs catches any major bugs |
| 23:02.32 | Black_Prince | devil, just piss them off when they come crying and tell "sid upgrade broke my system" |
| 23:02.48 | daemonkeeper | Well, claiming some statement to be more true "because $someone never experienced problems" does not make associated problems implausible |
| 23:02.52 | devil | why would i in a dedicated sid channel? |
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| 23:03.36 | Black_Prince | devil, ah yes I forgot that one ... I used to tell people not to use sid if they don't lnow :-| |
| 23:03.41 | Black_Prince | s/lnow/know |
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| 23:04.20 | Black_Prince | daemonkeeper, you are right on that one. |
| 23:05.07 | rhenani | memnon: how do i do it? |
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| 23:05.34 | memnon | rhenani: What os is on your current computer? |
| 23:05.43 | rhenani | memnon: I was trying rsync -avP /home/rhenani/debian-squeze.sh rhenani@[ip here] /home/rhenani/ |
| 23:05.44 | memnon | rhenani: Debian on both? |
| 23:05.54 | rhenani | memnon: yes debian on both |
| 23:06.03 | thepro4ever | my cd tray won't eject when i hit the buttom, i unmounted the drive with the -l option "umount -l /media/cdrom0" what can i do to get it to eject? |
| 23:06.12 | memnon | You can ssh into your other machine? |
| 23:06.27 | antivirtel | I have a PowerCom UPS(USB: 0d9f:0004), I'm looking for a software from upgradeable source (repo, or PPA). - I found http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=upsd - but there is that it is for "serial interface" - is it suitable for my USB interface, or I have to install the software from the distuber's CD? |
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| 23:06.55 | devil | thepro4ever: use the eject command |
| 23:07.01 | memnon | rhenani: i.e. is sshd installed on the other machine? |
| 23:07.42 | rhenani | memnon: yes it is |
| 23:07.49 | rhenani | memnon: and i can ssh to my other computer |
| 23:08.12 | devil | antivirtel: i would not use ubuntu packages on debian without thorough investigation |
| 23:08.14 | thepro4ever | devil: thats helpful |
| 23:08.23 | devil | thepro4ever: is it? |
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| 23:08.47 | antivirtel | devil, I linked wrong, but it is available in debian too: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=upsd |
| 23:08.49 | memnon | rhenani: I rsync from my laptop to my main machine with something like: |
| 23:08.54 | memnon | rsync -ave ssh --progress --delete /etc 192.168.0.2:/mnt/ext-hd/snapshot/ |
| 23:08.58 | devil | thepro4ever: it works here every time |
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| 23:09.31 | rhenani | memnon: thanks I'll try that then |
| 23:09.58 | devil | antivirtel: cant help, dont know the package nor use a UPS. i was just comenting on the ubuntu link |
| 23:10.04 | Tigerboy | devil: this is so cool --- I had iceweasel 7 (aurora) installed because iceweasel 5 (beta) had a missing dependency so what I did was removed iceweasel 7 and tried to reinstall iceweasel 5 from mozilla-- it went in fine because the iceweasel 7 repo had the dependency needed for the iceweasel 5 repo |
| 23:10.10 | memnon | Mhh, I hope he makes user he understand each part of it ... |
| 23:10.15 | antivirtel | ok devil, thanks |
| 23:10.23 | craigevil | thepro4ever, i run into that ocassionally usually an app is still trying to use the drive |
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| 23:12.15 | techknowlust | anyone around that'd be able to help with a mac mini install ? |
| 23:12.28 | techknowlust | I have debian installed but all I get on boot is a flashing folder. |
| 23:12.40 | fenugreek | is it a male or female folder? |
| 23:13.06 | techknowlust | it's gender neutral |
| 23:13.21 | fenugreek | awe |
| 23:13.27 | fenugreek | techknowlust: what do you mean flashing folder? |
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| 23:13.35 | thepro4ever | how do i find out what the uid value is of specific user |
| 23:13.45 | thepro4ever | i'm trying to put in options for my mount |
| 23:13.46 | techknowlust | means the mac bootloader can't find anything to boot |
| 23:13.57 | daemonkeeper | thepro4ever: You are looking for "id" I guess |
| 23:14.14 | techknowlust | so I tried using refit to sync partition tables but it says Error: Not Found returned from gptsync.efi |
| 23:14.33 | fenugreek | id -u foo |
| 23:14.34 | fenugreek | or just 'id' as the user |
| 23:14.46 | thepro4ever | daemonkeeper: there is an option for mount that says i can set the owner of all the files during the mount, uid= ????? |
| 23:15.20 | fenugreek | thepro4ever: uid=username |
| 23:15.33 | fenugreek | although I imagine the number would also work, if you like... numbers |
| 23:15.47 | daemonkeeper | thepro4ever: For certain file systems. |
| 23:15.59 | thepro4ever | that doesn't work |
| 23:16.02 | thepro4ever | i'm doing it for fat |
| 23:16.17 | daemonkeeper | So, do "uid=thepro4ever" |
| 23:16.40 | fenugreek | fat.... good grief |
| 23:16.46 | thepro4ever | it fails and says i'm doing it wrong |
| 23:17.01 | thepro4ever | my main problem is i need to be able to mount it so my regular user account can execute the installer |
| 23:17.23 | thepro4ever | which is on the cdrom i'm mounting |
| 23:17.42 | thepro4ever | mount uid=thepro4ever -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:17.45 | thepro4ever | that fails |
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| 23:20.24 | thepro4ever | actually it's iso9660 |
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| 23:21.00 | thepro4ever | and it says default is uid=0 |
| 23:21.09 | thepro4ever | i think i have to user a number |
| 23:21.33 | daemonkeeper | No, you didn't read the man page. |
| 23:21.43 | daemonkeeper | In particular you didn't read how to give options to mount |
| 23:21.47 | daemonkeeper | Read about -o |
| 23:21.50 | fenugreek | you just want any non-root users to be able to mount CDs? |
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| 23:22.12 | thepro4ever | fenugreek: i just need to do this this one time only |
| 23:22.27 | fenugreek | ah |
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| 23:23.05 | daemonkeeper | Also, mounting CDs statically with mount is a bit of a dusty practice, in times of modern desktops. |
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| 23:24.19 | fenugreek | I still do it =) |
| 23:24.29 | fenugreek | but I'm a control freak who doesn't use GNOME or KDE |
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| 23:41.31 | grmrgecko | Hello, when installing Debian into VirtualBox, I get this error http://pastebin.com/TsUsq7GV. |
| 23:42.45 | grmrgecko | I will try updating VirtualBox, but I doubt it'll fix the error, using the netinst machine. |
| 23:42.48 | grmrgecko | iso* |
| 23:43.41 | grmrgecko | I don't like installing things on real hardware unless I know it'll work for the purpose I need it for |
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| 23:43.56 | fenugreek | not sure that's vbox's fault |
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| 23:45.06 | grmrgecko | that's what I thought |
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| 23:45.53 | yagoo | grmrgecko, as a wild guess perhaps use a generic 2.6x linux profile for virtualbox setting.. or maybe none at all for the install |
| 23:45.53 | grmrgecko | I can try the DVD, I guess. |
| 23:46.13 | grmrgecko | yagoo: Will try |
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| 23:46.54 | fenugreek | or just cd1 instead of netinst |
| 23:47.21 | grmrgecko | fenugreek: Will CD1 work without all the other CDs? |
| 23:47.26 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
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| 23:47.35 | grmrgecko | I will try that as well then |
| 23:47.37 | grmrgecko | thanks |
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| 23:50.33 | grmrgecko | all I could say is 52 cds makes me think it includes every software available from the apt repositories |
| 23:50.52 | fenugreek | it's quite a collection |
| 23:51.17 | daemonkeeper | grmrgecko: Exactly. |
| 23:51.25 | daemonkeeper | This is, what the CDs are for ;) |
| 23:51.42 | daemonkeeper | This does not mean you need them. |
| 23:51.43 | grmrgecko | so basically disk 1 is what is necessary, and all the other ones are just software you can install from apt |
| 23:51.45 | fenugreek | I can't imagine having a great reason to install to a box without a DVD drive, that can't boot from USB, and that has no network device, though |
| 23:51.48 | fenugreek | that sounds awful |
| 23:52.04 | daemonkeeper | grmrgecko: Yep. In fact even netinst works to get there as well. |
| 23:52.21 | grmrgecko | thanks |
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| 23:52.43 | babilen | grmrgecko: It is meant for situations in which people do not have network access for one reason or another. |
| 23:52.54 | grmrgecko | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 23:54.39 | antivirtel | hi! I have an UPS connected via USB. I fount it in lsusb; how can I find the right path in /dev? |
| 23:54.55 | debiani386 | what does dmesg | tail say? |
| 23:55.01 | debiani386 | antivirtel? |
| 23:55.07 | debiani386 | when you reseat the usb cable? |
| 23:55.17 | debiani386 | (dmesg may give the dev id) |
| 23:55.49 | antivirtel | ok, I look at it debiani386 |
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| 23:58.26 | antivirtel | debiani386 http://paste.debian.net/123212/ |
| 23:59.40 | debiani386 | antivirtel >> its /dev/hidraw0 |
