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| 00:01.31 | antivirtel | debiani386 it does not work :S http://paste.debian.net/123213/ |
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| 00:03.29 | thepro4ever | how do i add a user to the sudoer's file |
| 00:03.46 | debiani386 | thepro4ever >> su root after that, visudo |
| 00:03.56 | debiani386 | then scroll down to where it says root |
| 00:04.00 | debiani386 | just below that add your username |
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| 00:04.27 | debiani386 | and what i do is pretty much copy and paste the root all etc and paste it next to my username |
| 00:04.33 | fenugreek | eh |
| 00:04.41 | fenugreek | you should really only add your user for specific commands |
| 00:04.51 | debiani386 | true |
| 00:05.28 | somiaj | debiani386: by default you should just be able to add your users to the 'sudoers' group to be able to use sudo. "%sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL" is the line that allows that. |
| 00:05.28 | antivirtel | debiani386 I found a newer software, I take a look at it with that device http://pcmups.com.tw/eA/html/download/index.php?root=9&kind=9 |
| 00:05.56 | somiaj | thepro4ever: (check my comment -- seems it was your question) |
| 00:06.30 | somiaj | correct, its the 'sudo' group |
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| 00:07.50 | debiani386 | antivirtel >> is the new software working any better? |
| 00:08.22 | antivirtel | i think, what they attached with the device is only for serial port; it writes USB... I try it |
| 00:08.35 | debiani386 | i see |
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| 00:09.06 | debiani386 | so its got a serial -> usb converter? |
| 00:09.13 | debiani386 | if so, try /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 00:14.27 | nevyn | it's probably worth writing a udev rule so it has a static name |
| 00:16.13 | babilen | somiaj: It is actually the "sudo" group |
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| 00:16.38 | babilen | somiaj: Ah! /me should have read the rest of the backlog first. Disregard that ;) |
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| 00:25.32 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 00:25.49 | debiani386 | night TrueDD |
| 00:26.05 | TrueDD | night debhelper |
| 00:26.12 | TrueDD | night debiani386* |
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| 00:27.17 | thepro4ever | damnit i keep making syntax errors in visudo |
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| 00:27.23 | thepro4ever | this is harder than vim |
| 00:27.39 | nevyn | huh? |
| 00:27.43 | thepro4ever | i addes this, thepro4ever sudo "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0" |
| 00:27.59 | nevyn | visudo uses default-text-editor you can change it with update-alternatives |
| 00:28.01 | thepro4ever | but i don't know how to save and when get to a point i think i'm saving it says syntax error |
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| 00:28.31 | nevyn | the point of visudo is that it doesn't let you save a broken sudoers |
| 00:28.33 | debiani386 | or nano /etc/sudoers |
| 00:28.39 | debiani386 | or whatever text editor you perfer |
| 00:28.43 | nevyn | debiani386: DON"T DO THAT! |
| 00:28.56 | debiani386 | oh ok |
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| 00:29.05 | nevyn | export EDITOR=/bin/nano && visudo |
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| 00:29.40 | thepro4ever | what is wrong with the command i put in? |
| 00:29.44 | thepro4ever | i don't see the syntax error |
| 00:31.28 | nevyn | thepro4ever: what did you write? |
| 00:31.51 | thepro4ever | i addes this, thepro4ever sudo "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0" |
| 00:32.10 | nevyn | you wrote that? |
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| 00:32.18 | thepro4ever | yes |
| 00:32.20 | simonlnu | why aren't you using something like autofs or pmount? |
| 00:32.29 | nevyn | thepro4ever: so that's invalid |
| 00:32.33 | thepro4ever | ummm ok |
| 00:32.36 | nevyn | it doesn't contain a host specification |
| 00:32.52 | simonlnu | read the comments ;) |
| 00:33.11 | debiani386 | so visudo is a more secure option then then just "nano /etc/sudoers" according to what i am reading in the MAN pages |
| 00:33.23 | nevyn | debiani386: that's not the case. |
| 00:33.25 | thepro4ever | yeah but it's a pain to use |
| 00:33.36 | nevyn | debiani386: it protects you from installing a invalid sudoers file |
| 00:33.40 | thepro4ever | i don't know the proper way to add a command for a user |
| 00:33.53 | debiani386 | well it locks it, provides sanity checks and checks for parse errors |
| 00:33.55 | nevyn | thepro4ever: the line you what is somethign like this: |
| 00:34.01 | nevyn | debiani386: right. |
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| 00:34.06 | debiani386 | *just learned something new* |
| 00:34.11 | nevyn | debiani386: I'm not saying you can't use nano as your editor |
| 00:34.22 | nevyn | debiani386: just that use it via visudo |
| 00:34.22 | debiani386 | well visudo is just a better option :) |
| 00:34.47 | nevyn | export EDITOR=nano && visudo will open nano |
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| 00:35.00 | Python | is it good to not use GUI ? |
| 00:35.03 | debiani386 | (as my linux teacher advised me that visudo was a bash script :| ) |
| 00:35.07 | thepro4ever | nevyn: something like what? |
| 00:35.14 | simonlnu | visudo has nothing to do with vi or vim (anymore) |
| 00:35.31 | nevyn | thepro4ever: " thepro4ever ALL:(NOPASSWD) "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0" |
| 00:35.35 | nevyn | " |
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| 00:36.00 | debiani386 | Python >> are you referring to the visudo question or just in general? |
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| 00:36.02 | stew | debiani386: its not a bash script |
| 00:36.06 | nevyn | but it's wrong and you should be using devicemanager or a desktop VFS to do this |
| 00:36.24 | debiani386 | stew >> yah, i just learned that too a few seconds ago lol |
| 00:36.50 | nevyn | visudo does more than open sudoers with vi |
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| 00:36.58 | debiani386 | but yah my linux teacher taught us the old linux...our course material was based on the 2.6.4 kernel |
| 00:37.02 | nevyn | and it uses $EDITOR correctly |
| 00:37.11 | twock | who can I complain to about screw-ups with apt package dependencies? |
| 00:37.21 | nevyn | twock: depends how bad they are. |
| 00:37.25 | debiani386 | and alot of what he taught was incorrect, especially for todays standards |
| 00:37.35 | twock | nevyn: meaning? |
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| 00:37.44 | stew | twock: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 00:38.06 | nevyn | twock: usually to the maintainer as a bug. |
| 00:38.16 | simonlnu | uh, 2.6.4 isn't that old |
| 00:38.26 | Python | debiani386: general |
| 00:38.28 | nevyn | simonlnu: it's like 10 years old. |
| 00:38.34 | simonlnu | and visudo hasn't changed much at all |
| 00:38.45 | simonlnu | hardly |
| 00:38.47 | nevyn | visudo hasn't changed afaik exactly |
| 00:39.23 | nevyn | did a course where the C course encouraged the use of gets() |
| 00:39.33 | simonlnu | eek |
| 00:39.39 | twock | Well, in the meantime is there a way to force installation of a package despite missing deps? |
| 00:39.49 | Python | uh, help! my touchpad isn't working, Synaptics |
| 00:40.03 | stew | twock: what are the missing deps? |
| 00:40.16 | debiani386 | Python >> what kind of computer are you running? I am running a PowerMac G5 Duo with Debian 6 and i am running an extremely slim GUI |
| 00:40.33 | debiani386 | python >> pretty much what i am doing is using login to log into the system, then xinit for the GUI |
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| 00:41.03 | Python | debiani386: or startx |
| 00:41.15 | twock | stew: there's a conflict between mesa and nvidia versions of gl libs and some packages have deps on the mesa ones, but I need nvidia ones to use my graphics card. |
| 00:41.23 | debiani386 | Python: yah startx is good if you want to run gnome/kde/whatever desktop manager your using |
| 00:41.36 | debiani386 | Python: xinit is good if you dont want to use any of those :) |
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| 00:41.54 | debiani386 | like in my case |
| 00:42.05 | debiani386 | you can run gnome or kde *i think* using xinit |
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| 00:42.29 | stew | twock: i'd expect the nvidia ones to Provide: the non nvidia ones that others are depending on. are htey not |
| 00:42.31 | antivirtel | debiani386 still out of date software - it runs, but doesnt find the device... the man writes, that it must be mounted to /proc/bus/usb - i couldnt do that. Also it specifies usbfs mount type - what is unknown... - thanks your support, I give it up :$ |
| 00:42.45 | stew | twock: can you tell us the actual packages involved? |
| 00:42.54 | Python | huh? |
| 00:42.57 | twock | libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 00:43.07 | Python | xinit run what gui |
| 00:43.09 | twock | libgl1-nvidia-alternatives libgl1-nvidia-glx nvidia-glx |
| 00:43.31 | debiani386 | Python >> xinit just startx an X session and sets the display variable (and runx the .xinitrc if you have that file in your home directory) |
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| 00:43.37 | smugglerinc | I'm running squeeze would anyone have a suggestion on how to install wine 1.3? |
| 00:43.42 | debiani386 | if you want the gui to start automatically, use startx |
| 00:43.52 | twock | stew: I'm told they used to play together nicely. |
| 00:44.02 | Python | smugglerinc: same issue for me :L |
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| 00:44.29 | somiaj | smugglerinc: I compile my own wine packages, just have to have the right libs and compling wine is fairly straight forward. Have to use dh_make if you want to make it into a debian package -- you can also check backports. |
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| 00:44.55 | stew | twock: what is the conflict you have trouble with? |
| 00:44.56 | smugglerinc | Python: bleh. |
| 00:44.56 | smugglerinc | somiaj: Thanks I forgot about backports Will check them. |
| 00:45.05 | stew | twock: and what versions of these packages are you trying to install? |
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| 00:45.43 | Python | smugglerinc: you'll run in a libssl1.0.0 dependency issue (no libssl1.0.0 for Squeeze :L) |
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| 00:46.21 | smugglerinc | somiaj: looks like backports doesn't have it. |
| 00:46.22 | smugglerinc | Python: Then we might need to find some source and make it. |
| 00:46.44 | smugglerinc | somiaj: Why a debian package versus making then installing? |
| 00:46.55 | somiaj | smugglerinc: why not just download teh source and compile it yourself? By default just ./configure, then make and make install will put it in /usr/local |
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| 00:47.29 | smugglerinc | somiaj: I have the source just need to find the dependencies was hoping there was a simpler method. |
| 00:47.30 | twock | and libgl1-nvidia-glx [non-free] breaks libgl1-mesa-glx (>= 7.10.2-4~) |
| 00:47.39 | somiaj | smugglerinc: for wine there is little reason, I just prefer to use dpkg to install/remove software, but with something like wine (that other packages won't depend on) installing it in /usr/local is fine (just make sure you remove the debian wine so you don't have both installed unless you want) |
| 00:47.57 | somiaj | smugglerinc: apt-get build-dep wine should install all the dependencies |
| 00:48.04 | somiaj | smugglerinc: including what you need to build. |
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| 00:48.14 | stew | twock: what version of libgl1-mesa-glx is that? |
| 00:48.21 | stew | judd; versions libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 00:48.23 | judd | Package libgl1-mesa-glx on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; sid: 7.10.3-3; wheezy: 7.10.3-3; experimental: 7.11~0-2 |
| 00:48.29 | stew | judd; versions libgl1-nvidia-alternatives |
| 00:48.31 | judd | Package libgl1-nvidia-alternatives on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 275.09.07-1; sid/non-free: 275.09.07-5; experimental/non-free: 280.04-1 |
| 00:48.33 | smugglerinc | somiaj: wouln't that pull everything for the wrong version? I've compiled my own packages before. |
| 00:48.50 | twock | stew: 7.10.3-3 |
| 00:49.01 | techknowlust | can someone help me with a debian install. I tried it on my mac but when I try to boot the linux install I jsut get a blinking cursor and not grub |
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| 00:49.27 | stew | judd: versions libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 00:49.28 | judd | Package libgl1-mesa-glx on i386 -- lenny: 7.0.3-7; squeeze: 7.7.1-4; sid: 7.10.3-3; wheezy: 7.10.3-3; experimental: 7.11~0-2 |
| 00:49.31 | somiaj | smugglerinc: the dependences between 1.0 in squeeze and wine 1.3 you want shouldn't be that different. |
| 00:49.39 | debiani386 | Just out of curiosity, does the xserver-xorg-video-ati driver provide direct hardware rendering? (im asking becuase i am using an ATI Radion 9600 Pro on a powermac G5 running debian 6) |
| 00:49.40 | somiaj | smugglerinc: again make sure you check the output of ./configure if it misses anything. |
| 00:49.42 | stew | twock: i don't see the problem then, all the packages you need are in wheezy |
| 00:49.50 | smugglerinc | somiaj: alright. Thanks. |
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| 00:51.39 | somiaj | smugglerinc: if you want to make your own wine package here is what I use..... http://paste.debian.net/123215/ |
| 00:51.46 | twock | stew: The problem is that apt says installing either libgl1-mesa-glx or libgl1-nvidia-glx breaks the other and nvidia-glx depends on libgl1-nvidia-glx. |
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| 00:52.15 | somiaj | smugglerinc: its a bit cryptic, but the CONFIGOPTS goes into the debian/rules script that dh_make generates. |
| 00:52.16 | stew | twock: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-nvidia-alternatives libgl1-nvidia-glx nvidia-glx' |
| 00:52.24 | stew | twock: (use a pastebin) |
| 00:52.41 | twock | stew: obviously :/ |
| 00:52.57 | smugglerinc | Would a package make it easier to remove it in the future in case I need to do this process again? |
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| 00:53.15 | Python | smugglerinc: or for simpler solution install PlayOnLinux |
| 00:53.24 | Python | it'll install 1.3.24 for ya |
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| 00:53.38 | Python | and it manages different wine version |
| 00:53.41 | smugglerinc | I've had issue with PlayOnLinux. |
| 00:54.31 | smugglerinc | Python: the couple programs that I tried to use it with didn't work. |
| 00:54.59 | Python | smugglerinc: which are ? |
| 00:55.06 | boudiccas | smugglerinc; what programmes where they? |
| 00:55.09 | Python | lol |
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| 00:55.39 | boudiccas | s/where/were |
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| 00:56.04 | smugglerinc | Steam, Starcraft2, |
| 00:56.17 | smugglerinc | oh and rosetta stone. |
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| 00:57.04 | twock | stew: http://pastebin.com/0BjEG2pG# |
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| 00:58.10 | Python | smugglerinc: rosetta ?O.o |
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| 00:58.47 | smugglerinc | Python: Yes. The language software |
| 00:59.18 | somiaj | smugglerinc: if you want to be able to remove from a 'make install' you need to keep a copy of the source around after you done and you can run 'make uninstall' -- but yes packages are easier to manage than source installations |
| 00:59.20 | fenugreek | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20882 http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=1867 |
| 00:59.43 | smugglerinc | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 01:00.24 | smugglerinc | fenugreek: I know they work. But I didn't get them to work in PlayOnLinux. |
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| 01:01.59 | Python | :L |
| 01:02.01 | Python | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=21655 |
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| 01:02.42 | Python | is upgrading to 64-bit safe ? |
| 01:02.54 | smugglerinc | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=10043 |
| 01:03.12 | swilson06 | upgrading? i'd call it a crossgrade. but why not? |
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| 01:03.38 | swilson06 | you might have issues with closed source (opera didn't used to work) |
| 01:03.48 | MarconM | hi . i need some help with blacklight screen |
| 01:03.49 | fenugreek | smugglerinc: stop using silly software |
| 01:03.58 | fenugreek | MarconM: help granted |
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| 01:04.24 | MarconM | when i take off my ac power ... my screen stay black |
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| 01:04.47 | smugglerinc | fenugreek: Mum wanted it for some reason. |
| 01:05.06 | boudiccas | MarconM; doesnt make sense what you just said |
| 01:05.14 | MarconM | i turn off " reduce backlight brigjtness " but dont works |
| 01:05.17 | Python | does 32-bit hardware work with 64-bit |
| 01:05.24 | smugglerinc | No |
| 01:06.02 | smugglerinc | I need to log folks. Thanks for the assistance somiaj, |
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| 01:11.20 | twock | Still there, stew? |
| 01:11.25 | techknowlust | I have a fresh squeeze install but the apt/sources.list is empty, not even commented out entries. |
| 01:11.42 | techknowlust | is there an easy way to add sources? short of manually adding them ? |
| 01:12.09 | fenugreek | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ ? |
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| 01:12.54 | techknowlust | awesome. did not know of that |
| 01:13.04 | ner0x | Are there any tools to tell me if I have hardware components failing? |
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| 01:13.58 | fenugreek | ner0x: eyeballs |
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| 01:16.15 | ner0x | fenugreek: Hrm? |
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| 01:17.38 | swilson06 | ner0x: failing in what way? |
| 01:18.03 | ner0x | swilson06: Well, had a few kernel panics lately. |
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| 01:18.30 | swilson06 | you can look at the core dumps and try to figure out why |
| 01:18.45 | centHOGG | take it to therapy |
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| 01:19.12 | swilson06 | if you're not doing anything freaky in software though, it's probably either the processor or ram |
| 01:19.53 | chadkouse | hey guys.. what are the things to be aware of when considering switching highres=off in the kernel params ? |
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| 01:19.58 | swilson06 | but, like i said, you could be running software that does it and your dump will tell you that |
| 01:20.15 | chadkouse | i'm seeing lots of hung processes in syslog and I saw this might be a potential fix for that. |
| 01:20.17 | ner0x | What's the command dmesg? |
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| 01:20.41 | swilson06 | ner0x: ask better questions |
| 01:20.57 | ner0x | swilson06: What log file am I looking for? |
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| 01:21.34 | swilson06 | /var/log/dmesg |
| 01:21.45 | swilson06 | ... by default |
| 01:22.19 | swilson06 | ^^ has nothing to do with core dumps though |
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| 01:22.42 | MarconM | so |
| 01:22.45 | MarconM | i m back |
| 01:22.57 | MarconM | i have problem with power manager |
| 01:23.07 | MarconM | my battery |
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| 01:26.09 | MarconM | boudiccas: |
| 01:26.11 | MarconM | are u there |
| 01:28.13 | MarconM | wols_: |
| 01:29.53 | ner0x | Besides running a dual boot, is there a way to install debian & windows and natively switch back and forth? |
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| 01:32.36 | ctmjr | ner0x, install a virtual machine |
| 01:33.08 | ner0x | ctmjr: They don't use the full extent of the hardware. VirtualBox is nice, but can't run any games. :) |
| 01:33.16 | boudiccas | marc |
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| 01:35.47 | swilson06 | if you want to run games, winex or codega or whatever should help you out |
| 01:36.01 | swilson06 | other than that, vbox is pretty as dead simple as it gets |
| 01:36.46 | swilson06 | vmware fusion for the mac has video acceleration, but that's ~$70 and for the mac |
| 01:37.11 | ner0x | swilson06: VirtualBox doesn't allow gaming. |
| 01:37.32 | swilson06 | it doesn't have video acceleration |
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| 01:37.34 | nevyn | dosbox for old univbe dos games |
| 01:37.40 | ner0x | Right. |
| 01:37.51 | nevyn | still likes dune2 |
| 01:38.52 | Python | to |
| 01:38.53 | swilson06 | so, yeah you can play snakes and solitaire and maybe doom. but not quake and more recent games |
| 01:39.03 | zref | DCC SEND ilovedebianlol 0 0 0 |
| 01:39.13 | zref | :( |
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| 01:39.47 | swilson06 | but, other than google.com/pacman, i haven't really played any games recently :) |
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| 01:40.17 | nevyn | I had a xbox360 for games |
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| 01:40.34 | nevyn | oh and performous |
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| 01:41.24 | swilson06 | i don't find the performance of vbox bad at all. |
| 01:41.42 | swilson06 | i won't run a db server on it, but i run my perl code that access my db from it |
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| 01:44.13 | w0ls0n | hello all. I have a friend of mine that got a debain vps. He installed qmail and everything is working with the exception of imap. He asked for my help as I am very well versed in freebsd but not debian. Is there someone here that could help me with courier or dovecot? I don't care which one works as long as we can get it working. I would appreciate any help. |
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| 01:44.55 | nevyn | w0ls0n: either of those should be fine (I'd use dovecot if he wants to use qmail (which I wouldn't use) |
| 01:45.10 | nevyn | w0ls0n: I'd use postfix rather than qmail but whatever. |
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| 01:45.15 | w0ls0n | yea I have been using qmail for 10+ years so I would not switch mta's |
| 01:45.37 | ner0x | What ever happened to cedega? |
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| 01:45.50 | w0ls0n | I have dovecot and have had courier working in the past on freebsd but no matter what neither one works |
| 01:46.27 | amero | quick question, how to get ubuntu's font rendering style on debian? |
| 01:46.29 | nevyn | w0ls0n: I wouldn't use it on debian it's badly supported and djb's licencing is nuts. |
| 01:46.41 | nevyn | w0ls0n: so you've installed dovecot? |
| 01:46.45 | w0ls0n | you wouldn't use dovecot on debian? |
| 01:46.46 | nevyn | what's the problem? |
| 01:46.48 | fenugreek | amero: ew |
| 01:46.53 | nevyn | w0ls0n: qmail |
| 01:46.54 | w0ls0n | I just get bad auth |
| 01:47.02 | nevyn | I would use dovecot |
| 01:47.03 | w0ls0n | qmail works fine. I can pop and send mail |
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| 01:47.14 | w0ls0n | right now dovecot is installed |
| 01:47.36 | amero | fenugreek: admit it. the default font rendering on debian just plain suck :p |
| 01:47.51 | fenugreek | amero: I don't recall disliking it, though I use Gentoo |
| 01:48.00 | fenugreek | I remember not liking Ubuntu's way, though |
| 01:48.22 | fenugreek | you probably want the cleartype patch for cairo, and Ubuntu's freetype config |
| 01:48.43 | amero | googles |
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| 01:52.04 | w0ls0n | how do I find out what version of dovecot is running |
| 01:52.17 | w0ls0n | nm |
| 01:52.20 | amero | "libcairo is the library that controls how fonts are rendered. Basically, the nice filtering algorithms that allow subpixel rendering to work correctly have only been included in the most recent versions of libcairo. But using those versions introduces bugs into Debian, so they wonât be included until the bugs are fixed." |
| 01:52.21 | w0ls0n | I have 2.0.13 |
| 01:52.29 | ScottG | w0ls0n: Was the answer dovecot --version? |
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| 01:56.25 | curtlee | I have a troublesome 3g modem I am trying to make a work around for in /etc/network/interfaces . It is external and connects with Ethernet. It there is a power failure at my test site, the modems dhcp server assigns a private ip to the computer at first boot up. What I want to do is check post-up if the ip is 192.168.*.*, if so then sleep 30 seconds and try connecting again. |
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| 01:57.53 | w0ls0n | I just don't understand this |
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| 01:58.04 | w0ls0n | I try to endable settings and it says the setting is obsolete |
| 01:58.13 | w0ls0n | 'imaps' protocol is no longer necessary, remove it |
| 01:58.27 | w0ls0n | debian is fucking gay |
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| 01:58.48 | fenugreek | amero: can patch yourself |
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| 01:59.15 | fenugreek | imagine that, a BSDer bashing Linux |
| 01:59.55 | boudiccas | he was just a knowitall tosser! |
| 02:02.00 | curtlee | does anyone know a better way to get an ip addres of an interface than parsing "ip addr show eth0" |
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| 02:03.47 | fenugreek | curtlee: ifconfig? |
| 02:04.00 | curtlee | ya, or parsing that |
| 02:04.01 | Hydroxide | fenugreek: that's the older way |
| 02:04.22 | Hydroxide | curtlee: presumably you need this from a shell script instead of a more flexible programming language? |
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| 02:05.03 | fenugreek | Hydroxide: we're all using an OS made in 1969 =P |
| 02:05.19 | curtlee | ya, I'm make a script that checks the ip and reconnects if the ip is wrong |
| 02:05.31 | ugly_duck | question on rsync, how come when i use -u --ignore-existing it keeps uploading files that are already there? |
| 02:05.49 | Hydroxide | curtlee: and it has to be in shell script? |
| 02:05.58 | fenugreek | ugly_duck: because you're not using rdiff-backup ? |
| 02:06.10 | Hydroxide | fenugreek: doubt they had ifconfig in 1969 ;-) |
| 02:06.12 | swilson06 | ugly_duck: i think it checks the mtime |
| 02:06.40 | curtlee | Hydroxide: no, it doesn't have to be a bash script |
| 02:06.58 | fenugreek | Hydroxide: they had a lot we still use =) |
| 02:07.04 | curtlee | bash is just the easiest for me |
| 02:07.05 | ugly_duck | Hmm.. |
| 02:07.07 | fenugreek | the old way is good until it doesn't work |
| 02:07.11 | Hydroxide | curtlee: well lots of other programming languages, including perl and python have ways to get that info. |
| 02:07.29 | Hydroxide | fenugreek: ifconfig is already deprecated in debian and not available, for example, in the installer shell environment |
| 02:07.36 | ugly_duck | ahh... --size-only |
| 02:07.47 | Python | yeah I have ways to get the info |
| 02:07.53 | Hydroxide | hehe |
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| 02:08.03 | Hydroxide | Python: oh, you snake, you |
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| 02:08.04 | Hydroxide | :-) |
| 02:08.08 | curtlee | Hydroxide: i'll look at python. Thanks for the tip |
| 02:08.14 | Hydroxide | np... |
| 02:08.30 | Hydroxide | curtlee: I'm sure there's some command line tool you can use, or else there ought to be. I just don't know what it is |
| 02:08.40 | swilson06 | changes his nick to perl so that Python can choke on him :) |
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| 02:09.27 | Python | is hiding from curtlee |
| 02:10.04 | curtlee | Hydroxide: I found an example right away for python, thank again |
| 02:10.20 | swilson06 | decides against it - we need python to steal perl's ideas so that perl can come back in another year and steal the better versions back |
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| 02:12.38 | swilson06 | recommends curtlee learn a programming language. at least go through that script and see what it does. |
| 02:12.52 | curtlee | of course |
| 02:13.07 | curtlee | I use python on my projects at work |
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| 02:13.25 | swilson06 | actually, python has a shell where perl doesn't (hence how scapy was made so easily) which is cool |
| 02:13.26 | swilson06 | ah |
| 02:13.36 | Python | has a shell where perl doesn't |
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| 02:14.37 | swilson06 | well, sorta - 'perl -MCPAN -e shell' but that's not the same |
| 02:15.07 | swilson06 | oh, and there is a debug shell, but it's still not the same |
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| 02:15.33 | swilson06 | hell, even node.js has a shell. perl really needs to steal that idea |
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| 02:15.52 | thepro4ever | i finally got sudo working for mounting but i'm very disappointed, the files in the mount are still only executable by root |
| 02:16.05 | ugly_duck | rsync --progress -u --append -v --size-only --ignore-existing --existing $f |
| 02:16.10 | thepro4ever | i need them to be executable by user "thepro4ever" |
| 02:16.17 | swilson06 | thepro4ever: man chmod |
| 02:16.19 | ugly_duck | what am i missing, it still keeps trying to upload existing files |
| 02:16.30 | ugly_duck | files of identical size |
| 02:16.31 | thepro4ever | swilson06: chmod doesn't work because it's a read only filesystem |
| 02:16.50 | thepro4ever | swilson06: i think i need to mount it with the correct user having execute access |
| 02:16.52 | swilson06 | yeah, but then you see how to use mount's options |
| 02:17.22 | swilson06 | or just tell mount what permissions to put on the files |
| 02:17.32 | swilson06 | ^^ i don't remember the option |
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| 02:17.33 | fenugreek | Hydroxide: a lot isn't available during install |
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| 02:18.05 | Hydroxide | fenugreek: that one was explicitly removed in favor of ip, which is there. you kind of need a network config tool in the installer shell :) |
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| 02:18.15 | Jayro | hi, how do i add non-free to my sources list? |
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| 02:18.45 | swilson06 | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:18.47 | ugly_duck | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:18.52 | curtlee | since ifconfig will soon be nomore, what would be the best way to bring eth0 down then back up and it uses the setting in /etc/network/interfaces upon coming up? |
| 02:19.17 | ugly_duck | swilson06: google "debian sources.list non-free" |
| 02:19.35 | swilson06 | /deb |
| 02:19.48 | ugly_duck | anyone able to point me in the right direction withn rsync? |
| 02:19.54 | Jayro | i got it, just didnt know the file, |
| 02:19.57 | swilson06 | $ a non-free |
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| 02:20.16 | curtlee | ugly_duck: what is your problem with rsync? |
| 02:20.23 | curtlee | spaces maybe? |
| 02:20.38 | ugly_duck | rsync --progress -u --append -v --size-only --ignore-existing --existing $f <-- this command keeps uploading files to the destination even if they're the same size |
| 02:21.00 | ugly_duck | curtlee: i'm resuming from the other day, so the files are the same |
| 02:21.08 | curtlee | I use rsync -havP --progress |
| 02:21.19 | ugly_duck | okies, thanks, i'll give that ago |
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| 02:22.06 | fenugreek | Hydroxide: well the installer does |
| 02:22.13 | ugly_duck | Grrr... |
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| 02:23.25 | deco | how do i stop /etc/resolv.conf from chaning ? i want to use bind for local dns |
| 02:23.33 | deco | s/chaning/changing/ |
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| 02:24.16 | Black_Prince | deco, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21013#p364645 |
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| 02:24.31 | MarconM | wols_: |
| 02:24.35 | MarconM | are u there |
| 02:25.31 | MarconM | who know about acpi |
| 02:25.40 | cydork | !tell deco -about fixresolvconf |
| 02:26.02 | deco | thanks Black_Prince and cydork |
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| 02:36.38 | ugly_duck | 254757 Jul 14 10:14 xaaaaaaaacg.gz << when rsync sends the file it counts it wrong to the destination file 254.76K 100% 48.46MB/s 0:00:00 (xfer#1, to-check=0/1) |
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| 02:37.24 | ugly_duck | destination reports 254.57, rsync rounds it up to 254.76 |
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| 02:47.50 | snake__ | Ho |
| 02:47.52 | snake__ | Hi |
| 02:48.05 | fenugreek | hi |
| 02:48.09 | dvs | ho |
| 02:48.26 | snake__ | how can I scroll up in a terminal ? |
| 02:48.56 | boudiccas | ise PAGEUP |
| 02:49.07 | boudiccas | s/ise/use |
| 02:49.16 | snake__ | ise ? |
| 02:49.22 | fenugreek | snake__: GNU screen, CTRL+a, ESC |
| 02:49.54 | snake__ | ? |
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| 02:50.11 | Python | .part |
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| 02:51.25 | Python | yay |
| 02:51.30 | Python | Talking on irssi |
| 02:52.17 | fenugreek | Python: I double dare you |
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| 02:54.51 | grmrgecko | I have a copy of RosettaStone enterprise, would you think wine can run it? |
| 02:54.56 | Python | awesome. |
| 02:55.09 | Python | grmrgecko: #winehq |
| 02:55.11 | grmrgecko | my company paid loads of money for it, don't want to waste it |
| 02:55.22 | Python | lawl |
| 02:55.41 | grmrgecko | I went there, they only mentioned the client software |
| 02:55.44 | ugly_duck | how can two systems have calculate different sizes when the files on the source are identical to the ones on the destination already? |
| 02:55.50 | grmrgecko | which will most likely be ran on windows |
| 02:56.06 | ugly_duck | its screwed up, even when i use --size-only it keeps coping the files over |
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| 02:56.30 | grmrgecko | I would test it once I get debian installed on the sql server |
| 02:56.31 | wols_ | ugly_duck: megabytes vs. mebibytes for example |
| 02:56.35 | grmrgecko | I guess |
| 02:56.37 | grmrgecko | if not |
| 02:56.44 | grmrgecko | I will need to run a virtual machine with it |
| 02:56.49 | fenugreek | filesystems, too |
| 02:56.53 | fenugreek | directories, particularly |
| 02:56.58 | ugly_duck | desination: 255132 Jul 14 06:58 xaaaaaaaaac.gz |
| 02:56.59 | ugly_duck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.28 | ugly_duck | so source and destination are the same, but its keeps copying straight over the top |
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| 03:00.50 | boudiccas | its quiet tonight, is it because folks are back at work in the morning? |
| 03:02.06 | fenugreek | it's Sunday night, yeah |
| 03:02.12 | ugly_duck | monday <-- |
| 03:02.42 | fenugreek | plus look what's going on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_17#Holidays_and_observances |
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| 03:03.40 | grmrgecko | I find it funny how RosettaStone has a mac version of their server but not linux as linux is the largest used server existing. |
| 03:03.59 | grmrgecko | linux is used more for servers than mac |
| 03:04.06 | grmrgecko | how about I phrase it like that |
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| 03:04.30 | WaterRatj | Anyone knows if there is a website where they have precompiled binaries from well known apps? |
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| 03:05.38 | somiaj | WaterRatj: what do you mean? Isn't that what the very large collection of debian packages are -- precompiled binaries of apps of all types? |
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| 03:05.55 | somiaj | WaterRatj: you can search them at packages.debian.org if you want, but better to use apt/aptitude |
| 03:05.56 | WaterRatj | i need wput precompiled cause i can't compile on my shell |
| 03:06.23 | boudiccas | WaterRatj; wput? |
| 03:06.33 | WaterRatj | opposite of wget |
| 03:06.37 | boudiccas | ah right |
| 03:06.42 | WaterRatj | to upload files and stuff |
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| 03:08.44 | fenugreek | WaterRatj: most people use Debian and its package manager and its repos only for precompiled packages |
| 03:09.32 | boudiccas | WaterRatj; http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main wput i386 0.6.2-2 [62.0 kB] |
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| 03:10.37 | MarconM | i need some help |
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| 03:10.58 | MarconM | how i turn off backlight on debian |
| 03:11.00 | boudiccas | @help |
| 03:11.04 | WaterRatj | wheres the download link? can't seem to find that |
| 03:11.05 | MarconM | @help |
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| 03:11.22 | MarconM | boudiccas: |
| 03:11.28 | boudiccas | WaterRatj; thast what i got from apt-get |
| 03:11.34 | WaterRatj | ah |
| 03:11.39 | WaterRatj | tought was weblink |
| 03:11.47 | WaterRatj | can't use apt |
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| 03:11.49 | somiaj | WaterRatj: packages.debian.org/wput -- but that will only give you a debian package, you'll ahve to extract it to get the binary. Also are you wanting to run these on a debian squeese system or another system? |
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| 03:12.06 | WaterRatj | its for a debian squueze system |
| 03:12.15 | WaterRatj | just need the bin to run it |
| 03:12.16 | somiaj | users can extract debian packages with dpkg |
| 03:12.41 | boudiccas | WaterRatj; why cant you use apt-get? |
| 03:12.42 | somiaj | so grab the package, extract it and get the binary from usr/bin/ -- hope you have the libs you need already installed on that machine. |
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| 03:13.02 | WaterRatj | let me test it out |
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| 03:13.46 | WaterRatj | how do i extract a deb file? |
| 03:13.54 | somiaj | dpkg -x foo.deb |
| 03:13.54 | dpkg | somiaj: i haven't a clue |
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| 03:14.23 | somiaj | it will extract it into pwd, so be in a tmp/ dir or someplace if you don't want to loose the data inside of other dirs you have |
| 03:14.23 | boudiccas | dpkg volunteer |
| 03:14.23 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 03:15.17 | boudiccas | that wasnt meant for anyone in particular, just for me to try out the command |
| 03:15.48 | somiaj | boudiccas: /msg dpkg <blah blah blah> if you don't want to spam the chan |
| 03:16.22 | WaterRatj | somiaj, what you mean? so create a new folder place deb in that and then run the dpkg cmd? |
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| 03:17.37 | somiaj | WaterRatj: man dpkg and read up on -x option. But it will extract the deb into the pwd as if it were /, so it will create bin/, usr/, etc/ or whatever other dirs it puts info into |
| 03:17.47 | somiaj | WaterRatj: so just make sure you exract it to someplace safe |
| 03:17.55 | WaterRatj | ok thanks |
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| 03:21.24 | somiaj | WaterRatj: dpkg -x foo.deb /extract/location -- probabaly better ussage |
| 03:21.33 | WaterRatj | Yes i extracted it that way |
| 03:21.35 | WaterRatj | thanks anyways! |
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| 03:23.38 | boudiccas | somiaj; i've been playing around with /msg dpkg <blah blah> but dont seem to be able to get it to target people. any clues please? |
| 03:24.54 | somiaj | boudiccas: like that? |
| 03:24.55 | WaterRatj | maybe add | <user> at the end? |
| 03:25.47 | boudiccas | somiaj; yes :) |
| 03:26.11 | boudiccas | somiaj; thanks, i'll have a play again |
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| 03:26.33 | thepro4ever | what does this mean? group:dialout:x:20:thepro4ever |
| 03:26.49 | somiaj | thepro4ever: what file is that from? |
| 03:27.36 | somiaj | thepro4ever: in /etc/group you have line that look like <group name>:x:<group id>:<list of members of group> |
| 03:27.43 | somiaj | not sure what that first group: is though. |
| 03:27.53 | thepro4ever | its from /etc/group |
| 03:28.15 | thepro4ever | whats the x for? |
| 03:28.39 | somiaj | thepro4ever: man group |
| 03:29.01 | somiaj | seems as if you can password it, 'x' means no password, default. |
| 03:29.02 | thepro4ever | encrypted password |
| 03:29.13 | swilson06 | mand passwd, man group, man shadow |
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| 03:30.03 | thepro4ever | the problem that is making me ask that is this, http://codepad.org/N8KKc3i8 , i can't figure out how to give user "thepro4ever" read and execute permissions on the files in /media/cdrom0 |
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| 03:30.18 | curtlee | Quick question before I do something remotely: Will running "ifconfig eth0 up" apply the setting in /etc/network/interfaces to the interface? |
| 03:30.21 | thepro4ever | chmod and chown don't work because it's a read only file system |
| 03:30.22 | swilson06 | you might also want to read up on pam as that is what is used to login and you can change most things from pam rules |
| 03:30.50 | somiaj | curtlee: ifup/ifdown are scripts for that, ifconfig you need to do the whole thing manually |
| 03:30.50 | swilson06 | thepro4ever: mount -o remount,rw |
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| 03:31.07 | somiaj | curtlee: so you'll most likely want ifup eth0 // ifdown eth0 to bring the interface up and down according to /etc/interfaces |
| 03:31.13 | curtlee | somiaj: thank you, just what I was looking for |
| 03:31.14 | somiaj | curtlee: arg /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:31.46 | thepro4ever | swilson06: i had "rw" in there already |
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| 03:32.04 | somiaj | curtlee: you can also do /etc/init.d/networking reload -- it will bring them down and up as if you started up, but only effects the devices with an 'auto' setting |
| 03:32.08 | swilson06 | so, you said it's mounted ro...? |
| 03:32.31 | thepro4ever | http://codepad.org/N8KKc3i8 at the top it says -orw |
| 03:32.55 | somiaj | thepro4ever: cdrom's aren't rw devices? By default cdroms will have the 'noexec' bit attached to the whole mount, so change that |
| 03:33.00 | swilson06 | oh, yeah, a cd is ro |
| 03:33.01 | somiaj | thepro4ever: mount it with -o exec |
| 03:33.41 | swilson06 | thepro4ever: what's the end result? |
| 03:34.18 | somiaj | thepro4ever: are you trying to mount a cdrom (what is the filesystem on it?) and then exec some script/file on that cdrom? -- if so you will have to add the -o exec option to it, cause defaults take it away for security reasons. |
| 03:34.40 | curtlee | somiaj: The computer is actually running Ubuntu so it uses upstart. I was thinking of a way to not use '/etc/init.d/networking reload" |
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| 03:35.16 | somiaj | curtlee: well I'm unsure if ubuntu has changed the debian ifup/ifdown config scripts, maybe you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 03:35.28 | swilson06 | it seems he's been working on this fs / mount thing for hours.... |
| 03:35.47 | thepro4ever | somiaj: i tried with -oexec as well, http://codepad.org/lMi5FMMX , i still get the same result |
| 03:35.56 | swilson06 | i don't know what he intends to get done, but i don't know if running a script is the end result |
| 03:35.59 | curtlee | somiaj: #ubuntu usually isn't much help. You guys here are great. |
| 03:36.29 | thepro4ever | swilson06: the end result is having read permission to those files for user "thepro4ever" and being able to execute the installer.exe in wine |
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| 03:36.45 | thepro4ever | swilson06: and yes i've been going at it for a while now |
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| 03:37.16 | curtlee | somiaj: ifdown/ifup works great, thank you |
| 03:37.22 | swilson06 | why would you want to run it from a cd? |
| 03:37.51 | somiaj | thepro4ever: man mount...search for iso9660 mount options, you can also set the umask,fmask,dmask,uid,gid if you really need to. |
| 03:38.00 | swilson06 | if you just want to run installer.exe, why not copy it to ~/temp and do it? |
| 03:38.16 | thepro4ever | swilson06: because wine then asks for disc2 lol |
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| 03:38.36 | thepro4ever | swilson06: there are about 5 discs to install in sequence and wine is checking cdrom0 |
| 03:38.37 | swilson06 | so, then point it to ~/temp2 |
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| 03:38.54 | swilson06 | *shrug* |
| 03:38.55 | thepro4ever | swilson06: it somehow pulls the serial number and label info |
| 03:39.17 | swilson06 | ok, what somiaj said |
| 03:39.21 | thepro4ever | i've tried umask and ui already as well :( |
| 03:39.31 | swilson06 | there are different mount options for different fs's |
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| 03:45.55 | ham5 | cant 'ping' from netinstall shell, what do i use to test internet connection? |
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| 03:52.31 | thepro4ever | i have instead tried to run it as root since root has access to the files on the cdrom0 and instead i get this error, Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly. |
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| 03:52.58 | Ender79 | i shrunk an NTFS partition (using windows) to free up space at the end of a disk to install linux (dual-boot) and when i go to install, partman 1) says my 120 GB free space is unusable, 2) tries to install on my other already used disk (a 2GB with a guid partition table that it cannot read so it assumes its all free space) |
| 03:53.38 | Ender79 | what could make 120GB of contiguous free space on a drive with NTFS partitions unusable for partman? |
| 03:53.56 | ham5 | root |
| 03:54.01 | somiaj | Ender79: you know you can only have 4 primary partitions? Also are you using the expert or basic installer? |
| 03:54.10 | Ender79 | basic |
| 03:54.14 | ham5 | ping |
| 03:54.27 | Ender79 | ahh 4 primary could be the problem then |
| 03:54.39 | Ender79 | NT already created 4 |
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| 03:55.05 | somiaj | Ender79: expert gives you a bit more options -- but yes you will have to make an extended partition you have no limit as to number of partitions there. |
| 03:55.09 | Ender79 | OEM partition, recovery, system reserved, and the OS partition |
| 03:57.44 | Ender79 | can i install on extendeds only (no primaries specifically for linux install?) |
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| 03:58.52 | curtlee | sure |
| 03:59.28 | curtlee | debian doesn't require a primary |
| 03:59.49 | Ender79 | reading up on this, its been a long time since i used extended partitions, and web seems to have many references back to the days i remember where you could have only one primary |
| 03:59.56 | Ender79 | so things have changed since then? |
| 04:00.10 | Ender79 | is the 4 primaries a limitation of modern BIOS, or linux? |
| 04:00.10 | catsup | you could always have four primaries |
| 04:00.14 | Ender79 | hmmm |
| 04:00.23 | curtlee | but you extended has to be one of your primarys |
| 04:00.27 | curtlee | *your |
| 04:00.27 | Ender79 | back in DOS days i thought it was 1 |
| 04:00.28 | catsup | four primaries is a limitation of the on-disk format of the DOS-style partition table |
| 04:00.46 | somiaj | the 4 primary (note one extended block counts as a brimary) is a limitation that has been around for a while. |
| 04:00.56 | Ender79 | oops... so if i have 4 primaries arleady, i can't create an extended at all |
| 04:01.00 | Ender79 | can't use that space |
| 04:01.06 | curtlee | ya |
| 04:01.07 | catsup | BIOS does not mess with partitions it just loads the boot sector |
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| 04:01.20 | somiaj | you'll have to move one of the primaries into an extneded block and then put your other partitions there. |
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| 04:01.43 | Ender79 | hmmm |
| 04:01.52 | rue_mohr | how do I find out what source a package is comming from, my system has access to w32codecs, and a buddies system dosn't, but our source lists look the same |
| 04:02.01 | catsup | maybe DOS only allowed you to have one |
| 04:02.11 | somiaj | rue_mohr: apt-cache show package name should tell you all info about the package |
| 04:02.25 | catsup | old versions of DOS fdisk |
| 04:02.29 | rue_mohr | it dosn't tell me what repository line it caomes from |
| 04:02.35 | somiaj | rue_mohr: try apt-policy |
| 04:02.51 | somiaj | rue_mohr: apt-cache policy |
| 04:02.52 | catsup | lol or lack of fdisk |
| 04:02.55 | catsup | i started using DOS with 6.22 and it had an fdisk |
| 04:03.22 | rue_mohr | policy also dosn't tell me what repository its comming form |
| 04:03.43 | somiaj | rue_mohr: paste the output of apt-cache policy <pkg> in a pastebin |
| 04:05.06 | rue_mohr | http://pastebin.com/rdKvQaat |
| 04:05.32 | rue_mohr | I'm guessing its not available anymore? |
| 04:05.45 | rue_mohr | is there still a bot here to help find packages? |
| 04:05.51 | somiaj | rue_mohr: you don't have a source available to install it, so you either grabed it from an unoffical source or a dpkg and installed it manually |
| 04:06.16 | somiaj | rue_mohr: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=w32codecs |
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| 04:06.26 | somiaj | that has never been an offical debian package, so as to where you got it, who knows. |
| 04:07.19 | rue_mohr | hmm |
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| 04:07.53 | rue_mohr | maybe I got it from the site that has all the stuff ya need to do multimedia |
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| 04:08.02 | nevyn | rue_mohr: d-m |
| 04:08.08 | nevyn | !d-m |
| 04:08.08 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 04:08.26 | rue_mohr | yea that one |
| 04:08.36 | somiaj | rue_mohr: very first google link from 'w32codecs debian package' |
| 04:08.40 | somiaj | rue_mohr: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 04:08.46 | somiaj | your googlefu is weak |
| 04:08.51 | rue_mohr | I'm used to apt knowing the answer |
| 04:09.13 | rue_mohr | I dont usually turn to google for debian packages |
| 04:09.21 | rue_mohr | for dependency reasons |
| 04:09.40 | rue_mohr | (or i'd still be using slakware) |
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| 04:11.18 | Igneous | does anyone know of a packaged version of ssh-hpn? or should I just tweak the openssh package and roll the patch in? |
| 04:11.20 | Ender79 | catsup, so i've got an idea to run by you then, out of the FOUR already existing partitions created by or used by or for windows on that disk, the 2nd partition is just a recovery partition that's existed since i got the computer and is for windows xp anyway so i'm 100% sure i'll never want to use it again anyway |
| 04:11.45 | Ender79 | it also doesn't have a drive letter assigned to it |
| 04:12.02 | Ender79 | if i delete that partition and just leaving a 10 GB gap |
| 04:12.21 | Ender79 | will i be able to create an extended partition then (since i'll have only 3 partitions at that point)? |
| 04:12.25 | nevyn | yes |
| 04:12.40 | Ender79 | and the 10GB gap won't be a problem? |
| 04:12.41 | nevyn | your windows isn't using dynamic disks is it? |
| 04:12.45 | Ender79 | no |
| 04:13.22 | somiaj | Ender79: it will just be wasted space...but you have enough of that in your windows partition anyways....(: |
| 04:13.37 | Ender79 | haha |
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| 04:13.52 | Ender79 | ok gonna give that a try |
| 04:14.38 | Ender79 | and then what tool do i need to use to create extended partitions |
| 04:14.39 | Ender79 | ? |
| 04:15.19 | somiaj | any |
| 04:15.21 | curtlee | fdisk or parted |
| 04:15.29 | Ender79 | and can i GUARANTEE it won't mess with the partition table of the disk with the GUID partition table that "fdisk -l" recognizes it cannot edit, but partman thinks is free space? |
| 04:15.39 | somiaj | I prefer cfdisk when you create a parititon it will ask if you want it to be extended or primary |
| 04:15.43 | Ender79 | oh parted understands GPTs right? |
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| 04:16.19 | Ender79 | i'd be more comfortable w/ a tool that understands GPTs, since it'd be less likely to clobber them accidentally |
| 04:22.55 | rue_mohr | thanks |
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| 04:23.15 | curtlee | hmm... I was going to check out cfdisk, but it doesn't like my partition table: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylin |
| 04:23.57 | wols_ | curtlee: #ubuntu |
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| 04:24.13 | wols_ | !tell curtlee about ubuntu |
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| 04:25.01 | astropirate | How can i check if a package exists in the repo> |
| 04:25.17 | curtlee | wols_: i'm using Debian |
| 04:25.20 | wols_ | apt-cache policy <package> |
| 04:25.40 | wols_ | < curtlee> somiaj: The computer is actually running Ubuntu so it uses upstart. |
| 04:25.47 | curtlee | just a remote computer I was working on was Ubuntu |
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| 04:28.29 | astropirate | What is the score? "Score is -350" i am trying ti install a package |
| 04:30.03 | astropirate | anyone |
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| 04:35.09 | somiaj | astropirate: what package? |
| 04:35.29 | astropirate | somiaj, redmine |
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| 04:37.53 | somiaj | astropirate: and where are you getting this package from? |
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| 04:38.29 | somiaj | astropirate: if you are installing it from apt-get/aptitude and are getting this value, where are you reading it from? |
| 04:38.44 | andrewwiggin | question for the guys who were helping me out so i'm here in cfdisk, and creating a new partition, my options are primary and logical |
| 04:39.01 | somiaj | logical is another word for extended |
| 04:39.04 | andrewwiggin | i'm guessing i'm going to need at least a / and a swap, so i need two more partitions |
| 04:39.07 | andrewwiggin | ok thats what i wanted to ask |
| 04:39.14 | andrewwiggin | i need logical since i already have three |
| 04:39.16 | somiaj | you can use a file for swap like windows |
| 04:39.23 | andrewwiggin | oh you can? |
| 04:39.31 | somiaj | if you don't want two, but I would create a swap and root at least, so that is 2 |
| 04:39.48 | andrewwiggin | ok, so i want a logical, and then the two i really want to create will be in that logical? |
| 04:39.51 | somiaj | I'm unsure the advantages of a partition, but I belive there are some |
| 04:40.12 | somiaj | correct, create two logical partitions (or three if you want /home or elsewhere on its own partition) |
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| 04:41.30 | astropirate | somiaj, i intered "sudo aptitude install redmine" showed "Score is -350" after it showed "these packages will be isntalled". With apt-get it said it couldn't install because of dependencies |
| 04:42.48 | somiaj | ahh, aptitude and apt-get do use different logic to deal with dependencies/recomended and suggested. I don't use aptitude myself so I'm unsure what score is telling you, but maybe now that you have made your question a little more clear someone else will know. (: |
| 04:43.16 | astropirate | hope so |
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| 04:51.09 | andrewwiggin | do i want ext4? |
| 04:51.22 | andrewwiggin | so many choices when manually setting this stuff up |
| 04:51.25 | andrewwiggin | :/ |
| 04:51.39 | ajikeshi | if you have to ask.. probably not :D |
| 04:51.51 | andrewwiggin | so ext3 then? |
| 04:51.57 | ham5 | lawd |
| 04:51.59 | andrewwiggin | cause i have to ask that too :D |
| 04:52.06 | andrewwiggin | last time i used linux, it was ext2 |
| 04:52.22 | ajikeshi | well im still using ext3 :D |
| 04:52.28 | ajikeshi | and it works well :D |
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| 04:52.37 | ham5 | dont do manual |
| 04:53.45 | andrewwiggin | ham5: didn't want to, but auto wasn't working for me |
| 04:55.13 | astropirate | andrewwiggin, ext4 is a higher version than ext3 so it must be better! |
| 04:55.18 | andrewwiggin | haha |
| 04:55.23 | astropirate | lol |
| 04:55.28 | andrewwiggin | you spoke too late i started with ext3 |
| 04:55.42 | astropirate | no thats sersiouly my reasoning when i need to instlal stuff i don't know much about :p |
| 04:56.09 | andrewwiggin | yeah, and i'm installing stable instead of sid, so i guess my logic is different :) |
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| 04:58.28 | ajikeshi | astropirate, its a higher version, so it has more bugs :D |
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| 04:59.19 | ajikeshi | but afaik the main difference between ext3 and ext4 is the performance when you have a lot of small files |
| 04:59.38 | ajikeshi | unless you do something special.. you shouldnt see much difference |
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| 05:05.19 | jaggz | isn't there some real way of detecting spam? this llkJlkjlkjdf (random text) is so simple and not handled by bayesian filtration |
| 05:06.14 | Dewi | jaggz: there are lots of approaches, it's something of an arms race |
| 05:06.42 | Shadur | jaggz: Define "real" |
| 05:07.16 | jaggz | I've been using librainbow for a while.. trying it out.. it's hideously inaccurate.. I'm thinking there's some better way to use it since it seems to offer multiple classification methods.. just haven't figured it out.. |
| 05:07.29 | Shadur | And like Dewi says, it's an arms race - spammers coming up with new tricks to beat the latest spam filters, which then get updated to take the new tricks into acount... |
| 05:08.11 | jaggz | I compiled it myself.. looks like there's something in lenny now though.. (I'm in etch). http://packages.debian.org/lenny/librainbow-dev |
| 05:08.16 | jaggz | why's it say Gnomoradio? :) |
| 05:08.51 | jaggz | yeah but these are retarded old random patterns.. just that bayesian techniques build vocabulary lists.. it's just a very crippled method, if used alone. |
| 05:09.13 | Dewi | jaggz: I used to use a combination of spamassassin & relay-based techniques such as greylisting & SPF. I never got as good as GMail though, which is what I use now |
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| 05:10.36 | Shadur | uses SA, greylisting, and a feed from spamcop's DNS blacklists. It's reasonably effective. |
| 05:10.54 | Dewi | jaggz: I can think of 2 rules your pattern would hit; low rate of dictionary words & highly compressible (low information content) |
| 05:11.06 | homecable | http://darkinfo.org/FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-amd64-bootonly.iso |
| 05:11.14 | homecable | dos that link work for any one |
| 05:11.19 | jaggz | In reality I need to categorize for a lot more than just spam/not-spam |
| 05:11.28 | Dewi | Shadur: oh yeah I forgot about the DNSBLs. I had 1 or 2 of those, spamcop and/or spamhaus I think |
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| 05:11.50 | jaggz | using bi/trigrams might work too |
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| 05:12.29 | Dewi | most spammers just use text from a corpus to emulate prose now, not sure what content-analysis methods work against that. Is there anything? |
| 05:12.56 | Shadur | Of course, I'm also using a text-based email client pretty much exclusively, which means that the spam that does get through is easily deleted. |
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| 05:22.11 | jokar | o/ all |
| 05:22.14 | jokar | hi all |
| 05:22.28 | jokar | i update my kernel and my dvd-rw not work :( |
| 05:23.12 | somiaj | jokar: what doesn't it do? Have you checked for dmesg to see if there are any errors/detction of the device? |
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| 05:23.30 | jokar | no |
| 05:23.32 | jokar | how? |
| 05:23.51 | ham5 | dmesg | tail |
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| 05:24.08 | jokar | my old kernel detect my DVD but after update my dvd not work |
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| 05:24.47 | ham5 | jokar; updated from the repos or some kernel you jived togeather? |
| 05:25.10 | jokar | i download the kernel |
| 05:25.35 | somiaj | from where? |
| 05:25.41 | jokar | kernel.org |
| 05:25.53 | somiaj | and then you compiled it yourself? |
| 05:25.56 | somiaj | how did you configure it? |
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| 05:26.06 | ham5 | good luck gettin help then jokar, use the repos!@ |
| 05:26.15 | jokar | yes,i select microsoft jiliot |
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| 05:26.30 | jokar | in kernel i see some configuration about dvd rom |
| 05:26.39 | jokar | and i select they |
| 05:26.43 | dunbar | which kernel was it |
| 05:26.51 | jokar | i use debian 6 |
| 05:27.04 | jokar | and download last version of kernel |
| 05:27.15 | ham5 | last version = ? |
| 05:27.24 | jokar | yes |
| 05:27.25 | somiaj | jokar: this really isn't the place to ask about kernel configuration, but not only do you need the file system support (that is what the ms jilouit is) you need support for the device, and that is different if its scsi/ide/sata/usb etc |
| 05:27.54 | andrewwiggin | jokar: was your dvd working before? |
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| 05:28.01 | andrewwiggin | (before you updated kernel) |
| 05:28.05 | somiaj | jokar: why do you want the latest kernel? It sounds like you should just grab a pre configured/compiled kernel from backports if you want a more recent kernel |
| 05:28.56 | jokar | i want select some configure about hardware,i have 4GB ram and debian only detect 3GB |
| 05:29.07 | andrewwiggin | x86 debian? |
| 05:29.08 | ham5 | 32bit |
| 05:29.15 | jokar | no amd64 |
| 05:29.16 | ham5 | get this troll out of here |
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| 05:31.09 | jokar | amd64 not detect 4GB ram |
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| 05:31.25 | jokar | i know i should select some hardware config |
| 05:32.42 | somiaj | are you sure your running amd64 and not a 32bit install on 64bit hardware...the deafult debian kernels detect 4gigs of ram just fine. |
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| 05:33.19 | jokar | no |
| 05:33.23 | jokar | i use amd64 |
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| 05:34.17 | somiaj | you can double check with uname -a (for kernel) and dpkg --print-architecture for package arch. |
| 05:36.01 | somiaj | either way you should check dmesg and see if it explains why its only allocating 3gigs instead of the full 4 |
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| 05:59.45 | ham5 | on join/part spam from melaine_ |
| 05:59.59 | ham5 | !ops spam from melaine_ |
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| 06:04.35 | andrewwiggin | ok now i'm stuck |
| 06:04.40 | andrewwiggin | i did manual partitioning |
| 06:05.00 | andrewwiggin | and had to really coax the installer to install packages on my manually-mounted /target |
| 06:05.16 | andrewwiggin | i THINK the install is done |
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| 06:05.23 | andrewwiggin | except for grub |
| 06:05.32 | andrewwiggin | don't know how to manually setup grub to boot this thing |
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| 06:09.40 | Bushmills | either use the (documented) --boot-directory command line parameter, or chroot to your new installation, after having bind mounted your /dev (and /proc) dir to the respective chroot directories |
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| 06:10.13 | Bushmills | ehm, --boot-directoriy of grub-install |
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| 06:18.14 | ham5 | any idea where gnome-system-monitor stores the prefs? v3 wont rember my file systems information fields :( |
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| 06:20.51 | Meier | melaine_ is sending on-join spam |
| 06:21.01 | ham5 | lol still |
| 06:21.27 | ham5 | !ops SPAM FROM melaine_ |
| 06:21.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: ham5 complains about: SPAM FROM melaine_ |
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| 06:21.57 | debiani386 | wonders if xchat is blocking the join spam as i am not seeing any on my end |
| 06:22.05 | techknowlust | how does one install python 2.7 on squeeze ? I've tried adding backports and experimental but it seems that they can't install python2.7 |
| 06:22.57 | acathur | !ops melaine_ msgs people |
| 06:22.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: acathur complains about: melaine_ msgs people |
| 06:23.00 | Bushmills | techknowlust: gconf-editor has a search function |
| 06:23.23 | Bushmills | techknowlust: sorry, not you. for ham5 |
| 06:23.32 | ham5 | dindt see it... |
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| 06:23.47 | debiani386 | techknowlust >> by this time, if you dont see it in the repo, i would consider compiling from source |
| 06:23.55 | ham5 | techknowlust, 2.7.2 is in experimental |
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| 06:24.26 | Blue1 | trust your techknowlust |
| 06:24.36 | techknowlust | back in the day that was it |
| 06:24.49 | techknowlust | I'm an ex-fan, not a crew member |
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| 06:25.24 | Blue1 | k lined - wow |
| 06:25.29 | ham5 | pwned gg |
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| 06:25.41 | techknowlust | I don't want to install python2.7 from source without reason |
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| 06:26.22 | ham5 | ,versions python |
| 06:26.23 | judd | Package python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; wheezy: 2.6.6-14; sid: 2.6.7-1; experimental: 2.7.2-3 |
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| 06:26.48 | Blue1 | what is in the new python that would make you want to upgrade? |
| 06:27.07 | techknowlust | it's more for consistency. I'm running python2.7 everywhere else |
| 06:27.20 | Blue1 | ahh |
| 06:28.31 | techknowlust | so I added deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main to my apt sources.list and yet I still can't install the python 2.7 package ? |
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| 06:29.34 | ham5 | updated after adding? |
| 06:29.42 | techknowlust | yep |
| 06:30.08 | techknowlust | says it has no installation candidate |
| 06:30.31 | ham5 | would have to force it me thinks, being experimental n all |
| 06:30.41 | ham5 | not sure |
| 06:30.45 | techknowlust | apt-get -f install ? |
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| 06:31.58 | ham5 | -t experimental ? |
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| 06:32.25 | techknowlust | same thing, no installation candidate |
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| 06:33.01 | student | hey i have a question i just install compiz and everything works fine but the tittle bars minimize close button does not appear how can i fix it? |
| 06:33.22 | debiani386 | student >> is it like that with any theme you use? |
| 06:33.25 | ham5 | thats a known bug student... metacity --replace |
| 06:33.31 | debiani386 | oh i see |
| 06:33.42 | student | yeah |
| 06:33.44 | student | let me see |
| 06:33.57 | student | oh nice ;) |
| 06:33.58 | student | there we go |
| 06:33.59 | student | ty |
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| 06:36.27 | techknowlust | what's the repo url for squeeze unstable ? |
| 06:36.45 | debiani386 | is it just me, or does kmail take a really long time to fetch an email using imap? |
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| 06:36.53 | ham5 | no such thing there is squeeze AND unstable |
| 06:37.16 | ham5 | try http://packages.debian.org/experimental/python techknowlust :) |
| 06:37.45 | techknowlust | deb http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ unstable ? added to apt/sources.list ? |
| 06:37.56 | ham5 | no goto the url and dl the deb there |
| 06:38.23 | vikapi | debiani386: i guess if yes if using disconnected imap.. |
| 06:38.26 | ham5 | dpkg -i to install |
| 06:38.26 | dpkg | installs to install into ham5's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 06:38.46 | ham5 | slaps dpkg around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:38.46 | debiani386 | vikapi >> kmail is currently connected to gmails imap |
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| 06:39.03 | debiani386 | id use evolution, however it for some reason doesnt connect to gmails imap anymore |
| 06:39.08 | debiani386 | it keeps forcing me offline |
| 06:39.20 | debiani386 | even though this computer is obviously connected to the internet |
| 06:39.53 | vikapi | u can use kmail to configure imap in 2 ways..either imap (which fetch only new mails offline) or disconnected imap where it downloads all mails |
| 06:41.07 | debiani386 | yah it shows at the bottom "Grouped 6,180 threads of 43,249", but whenever i try to view an existing email, it crashes |
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| 06:41.22 | debiani386 | well atleast acts as though it crashed let me check top real quic |
| 06:41.50 | debiani386 | oh and there it goes |
| 06:41.54 | debiani386 | just a little patience :S |
| 06:42.15 | debiani386 | but yah kmails procesor usage is 95 % |
| 06:42.51 | debiani386 | i would imagine its like that because this computer is using a framebuffer? (i cant use fglrx drivers on PowerPC debian) |
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| 06:43.58 | debiani386 | (there are many times i wish we could go back to kde3) |
| 06:45.00 | debiani386 | k im gonna try reinstalling evolution -- this is just dead slow |
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| 06:47.20 | debiani386 | and now evolution connects to imap just fine :S |
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| 07:00.22 | ugly_duck | there was a time i loved kde, now its the suck |
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| 07:03.19 | ugly_duck | gnome baby |
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| 07:06.13 | ham5 | k noobtu |
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| 07:09.05 | debiani386 | yah kde 3 was simply the best |
| 07:09.21 | debiani386 | i thought kde 4 would be better, but i had a multitude of issues with it |
| 07:09.37 | debiani386 | which drove me back to gnome |
| 07:09.39 | debiani386 | then fluxbox |
| 07:09.45 | debiani386 | then no desktop manager at all |
| 07:09.46 | ham5 | opinions opinions, thank god its linux and we all have a choice |
| 07:09.51 | debiani386 | which is where i am at now |
| 07:09.57 | debiani386 | oh totally agree |
| 07:10.21 | debiani386 | apple and microsoft force you to use their really limited interface |
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| 07:10.41 | debiani386 | what if i dont want to use that interface? you say your OS is customizable, so how come i cant customize the interface on your OS? |
| 07:10.47 | debiani386 | to MY likings? |
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| 07:11.04 | sauvin | I've heard there's a Windows build of KDE. |
| 07:11.17 | debiani386 | yet another reason i choose *NIX over any proprietary OS any day |
| 07:11.23 | debiani386 | sauvin >> there is |
| 07:11.27 | debiani386 | but it doesnt replace explorer |
| 07:11.30 | debiani386 | runs on top of it |
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| 07:11.57 | sauvin | Oh, foo. |
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| 07:11.59 | zxd | Hi |
| 07:12.08 | sauvin | Hey |
| 07:12.11 | zxd | does anyone know a tool that checks if a tun interface can be created |
| 07:12.14 | zxd | it's for a VPS |
| 07:12.16 | debiani386 | and you can run KDE apps on windows's KDE --- just so long as they are compiled for windows |
| 07:12.26 | zxd | I can't see module names or tun devices under /proc |
| 07:12.52 | debiani386 | does ifconfig work in this case or no? |
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| 07:13.20 | debiani386 | cause i have seen ifconfig report tunnel interfaces |
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| 07:32.02 | syntaxx | hi i am wondering if i can skip a specific lvm partition during pre-seed? or are there any options for it? |
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| 07:51.51 | john | help |
| 07:51.57 | john | hihi |
| 07:52.04 | john | anybody? |
| 07:52.19 | john | mei ren ma ? |
| 07:52.52 | john | æ人åï¼ |
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| 07:54.01 | ham5 | flood that helps |
| 07:55.02 | john | df |
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| 07:56.53 | syntaxx | hi i am wondering if i can skip a specific lvm partition during pre-seed? or are there any options for it? |
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| 07:59.53 | _zoom_ | hi, what packages does contain lh_config command |
| 07:59.56 | _zoom_ | ? |
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| 08:00.16 | stockholm | do you know apt-file? |
| 08:00.27 | stockholm | that is the program that would answer that question |
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| 08:01.16 | ham5 | live-helper zoom |
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| 08:02.00 | ham5 | or live-build, i think helper is just a metapackage |
| 08:02.02 | jquerier | Hello i have read that a OS should have double Swap from the physical memory |
| 08:02.09 | jquerier | is this true? |
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| 08:02.42 | jquerier | because my debian has atm 2gb RAM and 500MB Swap |
| 08:02.48 | ham5 | you dont need any swap if you dont want its a preferance |
| 08:03.12 | ham5 | some say half your physical ram 500 is fine, are you having problems? |
| 08:03.32 | nkuttler | jquerier: it depends. if you have so little ram more swap wouldn't hurt |
| 08:03.47 | nkuttler | but unless you notice problems just don't worry about it |
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| 08:04.25 | jquerier | ok the bad thing is. i have normally if i do nothing 1,5gb free RAM. and if i extraxt something or so. the memory gets almost full only 100MB available RAM. and after extracting it didnt get empty |
| 08:04.30 | _zoom_ | ham5: am using debian 6 and live-helper doesn't contain lh_config |
| 08:04.42 | nkuttler | !tell jquerier about free |
| 08:05.00 | nkuttler | actually.. |
| 08:05.02 | nkuttler | !tell jquerier about free ram |
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| 08:06.50 | jquerier | but after extracting a file the memory should get more space available i think |
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| 08:07.26 | ham5 | you are trying to run as root zoom? |
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| 08:08.12 | jquerier | what |
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| 08:09.04 | jquerier | iam going to add echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches as crontab |
| 08:09.11 | jquerier | is that good? |
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| 08:09.50 | fleischergesell | caches usually get freed on request anyway |
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| 08:10.02 | fleischergesell | I dont really see a reason why you bother, anyway |
| 08:11.14 | jquerier | the RAM gets full after tar -xf file and didnt get empty if its done with extracting |
| 08:11.34 | ham5 | you know this how |
| 08:12.03 | jquerier | top |
| 08:12.06 | fleischergesell | ... |
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| 08:12.14 | ham5 | tar is still running? |
| 08:12.15 | fleischergesell | see, thats why I said: No reason to bother |
| 08:12.21 | jquerier | no tar is done |
| 08:12.24 | jquerier | and ram is stll full |
| 08:12.50 | fleischergesell | Most probably, that is not the case |
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| 08:13.11 | ham5 | agreed |
| 08:13.22 | jquerier | really it is |
| 08:13.26 | fleischergesell | What happens if you start another of those big tar jobs? Will the OOM-Killer be invoked? |
| 08:13.37 | fleischergesell | Will the job eat up your swap? |
| 08:13.56 | jquerier | look now |
| 08:13.56 | jquerier | Mem: 2054704k total, 1020212k used, 1034492k free, 10844k buffers |
| 08:13.56 | jquerier | Swap: 525532k total, 256k used, 525276k free, 737756k cached |
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| 08:14.03 | jquerier | scp is running |
| 08:14.15 | jquerier | i say you the memory after its done |
| 08:15.26 | nkuttler | jquerier: haven't you read what the bot told you? |
| 08:16.25 | jquerier | yes i did but it says Free RAM is wasted RAM! but if a job is done it could be empty why not |
| 08:16.44 | fleischergesell | why should it be empty? |
| 08:16.52 | nkuttler | because the kernel can't read your mind yet and doesn't know the "job is done" |
| 08:16.53 | fleischergesell | You do understand what you just said, did you? |
| 08:17.23 | fleischergesell | If free ram is wasted ram, the kernel will put all its disk cache into ram to _not_ waste that space. |
| 08:17.41 | ham5 | is troll? |
| 08:18.12 | fleischergesell | One should develop a bot that can asnwer that question based on past and heuristic analysis |
| 08:18.27 | jquerier | :) |
| 08:19.32 | jquerier | ok so its normal that the memory gets full if it do a job memory gets used and not empty after the job |
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| 08:20.01 | jquerier | its not a bug :) |
| 08:20.30 | nkuttler | right |
| 08:20.40 | jquerier | ok make sense |
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| 08:29.13 | jquerier | Mem: 2054704k total, 1996288k used, 58416k free, 3316k buffers |
| 08:29.13 | jquerier | Swap: 525532k total, 256k used, 525276k free, 1697012k cached |
| 08:29.34 | jquerier | my memory atm scp still running this is normal? |
| 08:30.11 | ham5 | dont feed |
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| 08:32.17 | babilen | jquerier: You left out the most important line of "free" :) |
| 08:32.21 | babilen | !free ram |
| 08:32.21 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 08:34.51 | jquerier | ok |
| 08:34.57 | jquerier | that means |
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| 08:35.13 | jquerier | i currently scp a a big tar file 2,6gb |
| 08:35.36 | jquerier | that means extracting goes faster now. |
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| 08:36.17 | jquerier | but if i echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ... and extract then its slower? |
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| 08:39.54 | babilen | jquerier: Why would you want to drop the caches? You are performing heavily i/o bound tasks and want as much of the files in your memory as possible IMHO |
| 08:40.17 | babilen | jquerier: But to answer your questions: Yes, I would expect it to be slower |
| 08:40.40 | jquerier | ok |
| 08:42.41 | jquerier | seems like its true extracted file faster as yesterday |
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| 08:44.11 | jquerier | yesterday i made before extracting a echo 3 > ... |
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| 08:46.13 | dr_traktor | How do you kill a process that consumes max CPU? Like a program getting into an infinite loop. |
| 08:46.53 | ham5 | kill PID or pkill <processname> |
| 08:46.59 | dr_traktor | tried kill -9 it just made it defunct |
| 08:47.01 | mh_ | hi, i have a problem... i get "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 583: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed" when opening google-chrome and iceweasel after a recent upgrade of my box.. someone have seen this? |
| 08:47.05 | dr_traktor | or is that enough? |
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| 08:47.21 | mh_ | i can start pidgin and icedove, so i dont really see any pattern :/ |
| 08:47.27 | dr_traktor | just using kill had no effect whatsoever |
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| 08:49.15 | babilen | jquerier: Great! What do you have all that RAM for if it is not used anyway? :) |
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| 09:09.58 | fleischergesell | dr_traktor: kill -9 should eventually kill it, atleast that is my experience for this sort of processes |
| 09:11.21 | ham5 | mabey its zombie |
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| 09:14.51 | fleischergesell | In that case, you might want to have a look at potential parent processes that are stuck and need to be killed, too. |
| 09:15.47 | mh_ | hmm, found the solution.. a deleted library.. libgl.so.1 was removed during an upgrade |
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| 09:29.14 | gentz | My graphics card firmware is failing to load in debian: I'm getting: ' r600_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/RV730_pfp.bin" '. Full dmesg output at: http://pastebin.com/mvahTh8q . How can I fix this? |
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| 09:32.49 | ham5 | is it there? |
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| 09:33.19 | ham5 | whats changed, have you tried another version.. |
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| 09:36.18 | gentz | It's a new box. Just installed debian on it. |
| 09:36.51 | ham5 | driver from repo? |
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| 09:36.53 | rubyy | while i fsck sda6 . i t says bad magic number in super block while trying to re open . aborting journal on device sda6-8. mapped to illega pblock. abortin journal on dev. |
| 09:36.54 | devil | gentz: is that squeeze or testing? |
| 09:37.00 | gentz | I'm wondering where I can get the firmware for my graphics card from? And can I use a kernel module or am I going to have to recompile the kernel? |
| 09:37.08 | gentz | devil: squeeze |
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| 09:37.16 | devil | gentz: and the driver is from? |
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| 09:38.08 | gentz | gentz: there doesn't appear to be a graphics card driver. I thought debian netinst would get it automagically |
| 09:38.32 | gentz | lib/firmware is empty |
| 09:38.57 | devil | gentz: did you install a driver for your card? |
| 09:39.03 | gentz | devil: no |
| 09:39.09 | devil | rubyy: can you pastebin fdisk -l ? |
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| 09:39.33 | devil | Failed to load firmware "radeon/RV730_pfp.bin" point is that direction though |
| 09:39.58 | devil | gentz: please pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:40.10 | rubyy | devil errors at fdisk -l |
| 09:40.18 | rubyy | pblock errors |
| 09:40.29 | devil | rubyy: please put them in a pastebin |
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| 09:40.41 | devil | rubyy: if its more than 1 line |
| 09:41.29 | rubyy | yes |
| 09:41.48 | devil | rubyy: where is it? |
| 09:41.50 | rubyy | but i cant paste it. |
| 09:41.55 | devil | why? |
| 09:42.12 | ham5 | lol |
| 09:42.35 | gentz | devil: http://pastebin.com/6w5SeetX |
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| 09:43.46 | ikonia | !ops rubyy not using debian - using ubuntu banned for cross posting in multiple channels |
| 09:43.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: rubyy not using debian - using ubuntu banned for cross posting in multiple channels |
| 09:44.24 | ham5 | one hell of a logfile |
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| 09:44.37 | devil | gentz: too big for that pastebin. does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log return anything? |
| 09:44.55 | rubyy | devil so how to fix it |
| 09:45.10 | ham5 | noobyy no fix |
| 09:45.18 | rubyy | ikonia has inferiority complex. ignore him friend :) |
| 09:45.23 | ikonia | rubyy: you are not using Debian |
| 09:45.26 | devil | rubyy: no paste, no fix. try to run testdisk (make sure you read their website first) |
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| 09:45.32 | ikonia | rubyy: you are using kubuntu - Please stop cross posting, it's why you've been banned from the ubuntu channels |
| 09:45.45 | gentz | devil: No. |
| 09:45.52 | devil | hm |
| 09:45.54 | rubyy | devil ok. what tools can fix it? i mean the error? |
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| 09:46.03 | gentz | devil: just my keyboard. what phrase dshould EE match? |
| 09:46.09 | rubyy | ikonia DO YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATE THAT IAM NOT USING DEBIAN? |
| 09:46.16 | devil | rubyy: i told you. and this is indeed a debian channel. ubuntu is not debian |
| 09:46.26 | devil | rubyy: and dont yell, please |
| 09:46.34 | rubyy | lolz :) |
| 09:46.35 | rubyy | ok |
| 09:46.45 | ham5 | EE on the line is an error gentz |
| 09:46.50 | rubyy | i just pissed of a kid. ikonia |
| 09:46.56 | devil | gentz: EE shows errors |
| 09:47.23 | ikonia | rubyy: that doesn't make it acceptable to break the rules, this channel is for Debian support, you are using ubuntu, and you've been banned from those channels due to your atittude, your problem |
| 09:47.43 | devil | gentz: could you repaste on codepad.org please, so we get the full log? |
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| 09:49.20 | gentz | devil: sure. http://codepad.org/XMAcvCJH |
| 09:49.48 | ham5 | same |
| 09:50.13 | gentz | That's the full log |
| 09:50.17 | devil | hm |
| 09:50.18 | rubyy | ikonia who baned me |
| 09:50.24 | ikonia | rubyy: that's not for this channel |
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| 09:50.44 | gentz | Since dmesg is outputting Failed to load firmware "radeon/RV730_pfp.bin" |
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| 09:50.49 | devil | gentz: nothing wrong there (besides that keyboard error) according to that radeon should work |
| 09:51.00 | rubyy | ikonia YOU ARE A CHEAP PERSON YOU KNOW IT? |
| 09:51.01 | gentz | shoudn't i recompile the kernel with this firmware? |
| 09:51.09 | devil | rubyy: stop it now. |
| 09:51.18 | rubyy | ikonia YOU DONT BELONG TO *NIX |
| 09:51.20 | devil | gentz: no, radeon just works |
| 09:51.22 | ikonia | devil: apologies |
| 09:51.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | rubyy: please leave now |
| 09:51.33 | kloeri | rubyy: behave or you'll be quieted or banned here too |
| 09:51.34 | devil | ikonia: no prob :) |
| 09:52.13 | gentz | devil: What's a good test? I'm getting 7about 730fps on glxgears |
| 09:52.26 | devil | gentz: can we see dmesg | grep -i radeon please? |
| 09:52.28 | rubyy | devil Kamping_Kaiser kloeri GO AHEAD. if you trust ikonia that much. |
| 09:52.41 | devil | gentz: glxgears is no benchmark at all |
| 09:52.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes i do. hes been doing good things for as long as i've been on freenode |
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| 09:52.55 | gentz | devil: http://pastebin.com/w0J8CpGN |
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| 09:53.09 | devil | rubyy: i just see, i asked for a paste which you wont provide. so wontfix |
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| 09:53.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | gentz: the firmware might be in a non-free pakage |
| 09:53.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | gentz: firmware-linux-nonfree: /lib/firmware/radeon/RV730_pfp.bin |
| 09:53.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | gentz: apt-file told me :) |
| 09:53.56 | gentz | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah I did an apt-file search RV730_pfp.bin |
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| 09:54.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | gentz: snap (: |
| 09:54.12 | ham5 | gentz got video at all? |
| 09:54.33 | gentz | Kamping_Kaiser: I have non-free in my sources.list but I don't get anything from apt-file search |
| 09:54.36 | gentz | ham5: yes |
| 09:55.01 | devil | gentz: let me read up, i never had an ATI card |
| 09:55.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | gentz: odd. i ran apt-file search radeon/RV730_pfp.bin |
| 09:55.58 | ham5 | do you have problems other then it telling you it cant load that driver..? |
| 09:56.03 | gentz | Kamping_Kaiser: here's my sources.list http://pastebin.com/y11y5sPs |
| 09:56.09 | devil | gentz: oh, did you install firmware-linux-nonfree? |
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| 09:56.40 | gentz | devil: no |
| 09:56.47 | devil | gentz: do it and log back in |
| 09:56.57 | devil | shouldfix ⢠|
| 09:57.01 | gentz | devil: ok |
| 09:57.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | gentz: i only have main in my sources.list |
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| 09:58.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | gentz: btw, you don't have contrib on the last entry? |
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| 10:02.53 | devil | dies dmm even have contrib nonfree? |
| 10:03.02 | devil | its all nonfree anyways? |
| 10:03.12 | gentz | Yes! It works! Thanks for the help guys! |
| 10:03.18 | devil | :) |
| 10:03.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 10:36.58 | macs | I Keep Getting this Error when apt-get updating... http://pastie.org/private/5mxssdwp949xz9vqrmfsa |
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| 10:38.54 | devil | macs: you run lenny? |
| 10:39.03 | macs | i'm on 5.0 ._. |
| 10:39.16 | devil | you are missing the key for that repo |
| 10:39.26 | macs | how do i fix it? |
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| 10:40.24 | devil | add the key, apt tells you which one |
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| 10:43.37 | mmu_man | plop |
| 10:43.50 | michelem | hello folks |
| 10:44.06 | michelem | what file // device is "rootfs" in /etc/fstab concretely? |
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| 10:44.25 | macs | ok |
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| 10:45.24 | mmu_man | michelem: / |
| 10:45.41 | mmu_man | it's an in-memory filesystem used to create / |
| 10:45.53 | mmu_man | to mount others over |
| 10:45.57 | michelem | mmu_man: yes, but where are its contents taken from? |
| 10:46.06 | mmu_man | nothing |
| 10:46.25 | mmu_man | it's likely populated by some mkdir commands in the initrd scripts, though I didn't check |
| 10:46.33 | mmu_man | BeOS used rootfs like 15y ago :p |
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| 10:46.44 | rockenrola | Hi. you can anyone help me discovering if the LSI MegaRAID 9260-4i is supported by the kernel? |
| 10:46.55 | michelem | can someone provide more details on that? |
| 10:47.11 | mmu_man | michelem: your friend google maybe :) |
| 10:47.13 | michelem | I suppose it's populated by a cpio image in the kernel |
| 10:47.30 | mmu_man | hmm vlc isn't able to disable the screensaver in sid |
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| 10:49.48 | michelem | here is what my fstab looks like: http://dpaste.de/V63i/ |
| 10:50.11 | michelem | I want to figure out what ends up on /dev/mmcblk0p1 , and where the contents of / are taken from |
| 10:50.47 | michelem | I suppose init remounts the uSD card over rootfs, but I would like to verify that |
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| 10:51.48 | devil | rockenrola: cd /boot && grep LSI MegaRAID 9260-4i config-{your_kernel} |
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| 10:54.49 | macs | Where should this libstdc++.so.6 file be? |
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| 10:55.45 | devil | macs: usr/lib/ |
| 10:55.49 | macs | ok |
| 10:55.58 | macs | so /usr/lib/libstdc.so.6? |
| 10:56.56 | devil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.30 | macs | ok |
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| 10:57.47 | devil | macs: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:58.04 | macs | trying to fix my inspircd |
| 10:58.50 | devil | macs: libstdc++6 provides libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 10:59.06 | macs | ok |
| 10:59.43 | lng | hi! |
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| 11:00.00 | macs | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:00.02 | macs | ^ =S |
| 11:00.02 | lng | how can I enforce cacti to installed under Lighttpd |
| 11:00.48 | lng | it is trying to pull apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common |
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| 11:01.01 | lng | but we have Lighttpd there |
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| 11:04.40 | dddbmt | Hi #debian. I need to download Drupal on a remote server through ssh using wget. Am I right, asuming I should use the www-data user for this in order to get the right permissions? - I need access through http in browser. |
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| 11:06.12 | petemc | dddbmt: you cant use the debian drupal packages? |
| 11:07.05 | ham5 | dont even make sence reword that crap |
| 11:07.17 | lng | how can I control dependencies of a package |
| 11:07.19 | lng | ? |
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| 11:07.37 | ham5 | control the package |
| 11:07.53 | lng | how to? |
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| 11:08.02 | ham5 | ie, you cant |
| 11:08.03 | mns | lng: what are you trying to do ? |
| 11:08.08 | dddbmt | petecmc, I wasn't aware that existed. Should I download with apt-get? And do you know if it's latest stable? |
| 11:08.27 | lng | mns: I need to install Cacti, but it is trying to pull Apache |
| 11:08.31 | dddbmt | that was for petemc |
| 11:08.37 | lng | mns: but we have Lighttpd |
| 11:08.42 | petemc | dddbmt: apt-cache show drupal6 |
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| 11:10.17 | dddbmt | petemc, I need to have Drupal 7.x (prefer 7.4), an apt-cache show drupal7 said "no packages found". |
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| 11:11.46 | mns | lng: cacti depends on "apache2 | apache | apache-ssl | apache-perl | httpd", lighty "Provides: httpd, httpd-cgi" so if its pulling apache2 when you install cacti, you'll have to take a look more carefully. Do you have php5 installed ? |
| 11:12.17 | lng | mns: sure |
| 11:12.29 | lng | mns: php5 is installed |
| 11:12.44 | babilen | lng: And lighttpd is installed already? |
| 11:12.49 | lng | yes |
| 11:12.55 | lng | it is in use |
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| 11:17.12 | dddbmt | petemc, would you know if I should wget drupal7, or is there a way to add it to the package list, and download it from there. I don't know which way would be preferable. |
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| 11:17.58 | babilen | lng: Could you paste the output of "aptitude install cacti" and paste some of the alternative proposed actions as well? It would also be interesting to see what "aptitude install cacti apache2- lighttpd+ apache2-mpm-prefork- php5+ php5-fpm+" is proposing .. |
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| 11:18.22 | mns | lng: this is happening because of libapache2-mod-php5. which php5 package do you have installed ? |
| 11:19.03 | lng | babilen: http://pastie.org/private/jycnjmfpvxhetz8zlwblaa |
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| 11:19.35 | lng | mns: php5-cgi, php5-cli |
| 11:19.36 | mns | dddbmt: it is always better to get the pre-packaged version rather then use wget. See if drupal7 is there in unstable branch of debian and you'll have to get it from there if its not in testing or stable branches. |
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| 11:20.47 | babilen | lng: Could you also paste some of the alternative solutions? (Hit "n" to drop the current one) |
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| 11:21.11 | mns | lng: that's the problem. php5-cgi and php5-cli do not have a "Provides: php5" so what happens is that cacti is itrying to install libapache2-mod-php5 which pulls in the other apache dependencies. |
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| 11:22.10 | mns | php5 packages (php-cli and php-cgi) need to be fixed to provide php5 as well. |
| 11:22.35 | lng | babilen: pardon? do I need to hit "n"? but it will just abort |
| 11:22.59 | capri | is there any pendant to samba out there? |
| 11:23.58 | babilen | lng: I was referring to "Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]" |
| 11:24.47 | mosno | capri, i'm pretty sure samba is jewellery-free |
| 11:24.49 | babilen | lng: But mns already pointed out the root issue here. Install php5 which should do what you want. A "aptitude install cacti php5" should be all you need, if not use the command I gave above ... |
| 11:25.23 | lng | let's see |
| 11:26.07 | lng | babilen: should php5 replace php5-cgi and php5-cli? |
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| 11:27.33 | babilen | lng: Ah, you can swap php5-fpm+ for php5-cgi+ ... but please show me that solution and a few others. I have to admit that I am not much of a PHP person though. |
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| 11:29.38 | dddbmt | mns, if I download drupal using a pre-packaged version - I won't "suddenly" update it self unless I tell it to, right? |
| 11:29.53 | babilen | lng: But doesn't "aptitude install php5 cacti" do what you want? |
| 11:30.03 | lng | mmt |
| 11:30.27 | babilen | dddbmt: You will get security updates only. That is one of the main features of Debian stable. |
| 11:30.49 | babilen | dddbmt: Or rather security and those for grave bugs -- /msg dpkg stable |
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| 11:34.48 | dddbmt | babilen, okay, sounds like a good thing. Do you know how I can add Drupal7 to my package list? - I guess I need to put something in sources.list, but don't know what it should be. |
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| 11:36.13 | dddbmt | babilen, I need to insert an extra URL into sources.list, right? - But what is a URL like that called? (Then maybe I can get help i #drupal) |
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| 11:36.27 | lng | babilen: yes! |
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| 11:36.43 | babilen | lng: success? |
| 11:36.49 | lng | babilen: apache has gone from the list |
| 11:36.59 | babilen | ,versions drupal7 |
| 11:37.00 | judd | Package drupal7 on i386 -- sid: 7.4-1; wheezy: 7.4-1 |
| 11:37.09 | babilen | ,depends drupal7 |
| 11:37.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'drupal7' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 11:37.18 | babilen | ,depends drupal7 --release sid |
| 11:37.18 | judd | Package drupal7 -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, apache2 | httpd, php5, php5-mysql | php5-pgsql, php5-gd, default-mta | mail-transport-agent, wwwconfig-common (>= 0.0.37), mysql-client | virtual-mysql-client | postgresql-client, dbconfig-common, curl. |
| 11:37.38 | lng | babilen: thank you |
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| 11:37.48 | KBme | hi |
| 11:37.54 | babilen | dddbmt: You can try to backport it to squeeze -- But you would have to take care of its maintainence then (i.e. upgrade it when it is updated in sid) -- /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:38.03 | babilen | lng: Enjoy! |
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| 11:42.04 | dddbmt | babilen, my Debian knowledge isn't big enough to understand what you're saying ;) But if I want to apply every update to my Drupal installation myself, manually. Would I be alright by installing with wget? |
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| 11:42.52 | inod3 | hi |
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| 11:44.11 | KBme | i have a weird munin problem since my upgrade to squeeze for munin |
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| 11:44.17 | inod3 | does anyone know if getaddrinfo() is bugged in Debian 5.0.8? |
| 11:44.21 | KBme | the munin node the issue appears on is still under lenny |
| 11:45.01 | KBme | 2011/07/18 13:33:05 [WARNING] munin_set_var_loc: Setting unknown option 'value' at domain.tld;dom.domain.tld:coretemp.core0 |
| 11:45.16 | KBme | if anyone knows how to suppress this i would be really thankful |
| 11:45.20 | inod3 | i am using glibc-2.7.1 |
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| 11:45.40 | KBme | it's generating a mail per run, and munin runs every five minutes so it's kind of irritating |
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| 11:46.02 | babilen | dddbmt: The problem is that drupal7 is not available for squeeze or maintained in http://backports.debian.org. The best way (IMHO) to install it on squeeze is therefore to backport it yourself with the method outlined by dpkg. The problem you have there is that the backported package will not magically update itself if a new version enters sid. |
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| 11:47.46 | Bushmills | KBme: the coretemp plugin isn't in the debian repositories with munin plugins. you may have downloaded it from exchange.munin-monitoring.org. disable or upgrade it. |
| 11:48.27 | babilen | dddbmt: I am not sure how drupal7 is packaged, but that way you get a version that is maintained for Debian with all the goodies (think init scripts, ....) |
| 11:48.32 | KBme | there is no upgrade available, but yeah, i have downloaded it from the plugins exchange |
| 11:48.37 | dddbmt | babilen, okay. That sounds like a bit of a project, would a n... less experienced person be able to come around that? |
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| 11:48.56 | KBme | thing is all it prints is "coretemp0.value 32" |
| 11:49.03 | KBme | so i don't see how i could fix this |
| 11:49.05 | Bushmills | KBme: sorry, very little debian can do about that, i'm afraid |
| 11:49.08 | buhman | where is the cdrtools package? |
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| 11:49.31 | Bushmills | though fixing it should be quite feasable |
| 11:49.39 | babilen | dddbmt: If the dependencies of drupal7 are available in squeeze it really isn't much of a project. You just have to make sure that you keep the package updated. It might be as easy as running "apt-get -b source drupal7" and installing the resulting .debs |
| 11:49.40 | KBme | Bushmills, yeah, i was just hoping there would be a munin wizz here who'd know right away |
| 11:49.57 | babilen | dddbmt: If you don't want to deal with that, use drupal6 ;) |
| 11:50.27 | ham5 | buhman what are you looking for specificly |
| 11:50.44 | buhman | ham5: cdrecord |
| 11:50.52 | buhman | ham5: and cd-info |
| 11:51.01 | buhman | and well everything that's supposed to be in cdrtools |
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| 11:51.24 | buhman | ham5: specifically, I'm looking for cdrtools |
| 11:51.31 | ham5 | libcdio-utils for cd-info |
| 11:51.47 | ham5 | cant find cdrecord |
| 11:52.28 | buhman | ham5: oh, well that's a start :) |
| 11:52.32 | ham5 | debians fork of cdrtools is cdrkit |
| 11:52.33 | dddbmt | babilen, wish I could ;) But it's either that, or I start googling to understand your last message? ;) |
| 11:52.35 | Bushmills | KBme: if mbmon is able to read your sensors, you could use the mb* plugins instead |
| 11:52.38 | buhman | ham5: it |
| 11:52.50 | buhman | ham5: isn't that some sort of brasero plugin? |
| 11:53.05 | ham5 | looks like it |
| 11:53.23 | KBme | Bushmills, hmm, thanks, i'll check |
| 11:53.34 | buhman | ham5: then that's not cdrecord; not even a fork |
| 11:53.46 | Bushmills | http://munin.scarydevilmonastery.net - mbheatzones, mbfanspeed, mbvoltages |
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| 11:54.21 | ham5 | got that googling... |
| 11:54.28 | ham5 | debian cdrtools |
| 11:54.36 | iaj | hey there.. |
| 11:54.41 | babilen | dddbmt: I can explain it a bit more. It would help to know what you do not understand ... |
| 11:54.45 | babilen | !ssb |
| 11:54.45 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:54.51 | babilen | dddbmt: I am referring to that ^^^^ |
| 11:54.53 | iaj | How can I find out what the rootpath of the apache server is like?? |
| 11:55.02 | iaj | I mean the absolute path? |
| 11:55.15 | Bushmills | which apache2 |
| 11:55.43 | ham5 | license disputes buhman |
| 11:56.27 | Bushmills | unless you refer to "DocumentRoot" for any specific host your apache serves |
| 11:56.47 | dddbmt | babilen, first of all I don't know what squeeze is - but guess it some sort of package system? Second, I am not sure what I accomplish, following your suggestions - vs. wget? |
| 11:57.14 | ham5 | lol whats squeeze |
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| 11:57.23 | ham5 | points dddbmt to the topic |
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| 11:57.26 | dddbmt | ham5, don't pick on me! |
| 11:57.26 | KBme | Bushmills, the mbmon plugin seems bugged |
| 11:57.35 | KBme | $mbmon is set nowhere |
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| 11:57.53 | iaj | Bushmills; oh.. hmmm.... that doesnt seem to work :( I guess its something else.. but on a webpage the page's included with frame src="IP of the server/GSWeb/foobar.woa" and I just cant seem to find that path |
| 11:58.15 | iaj | I tried with find -type d -name GSWeb |
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| 11:58.24 | dddbmt | ham5, squeeze is debian6 ? |
| 11:58.36 | ham5 | yes |
| 11:58.42 | ham5 | stable version |
| 11:58.44 | babilen | dddbmt: Ok. Squeeze is the name of the current stable release by Debian. What you accomplish by doing this is that you get a package of drupal7 that was packaged for Debian and caters for some of Debian's idiosyncrasies. One thing that comes to mind, for example, is that you get an init script that works with Debian. You also make sure that all the dependencies of drupal7 are installed. |
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| 11:58.51 | Bushmills | KBme: there is no $mbmon. there is $(mbmon) which is different |
| 11:59.41 | dddbmt | ham5, I see how stupid my comment was now ;) thanks |
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| 11:59.54 | babilen | dddbmt: It might be that upstream (i.e. drupal7 developers) ship some of these in their tarball already, but it is typically advised to use Debian packages as they integrate well with other packages and practises on Debian. |
| 12:00.01 | KBme | ah well, coretemp works fine except for the stupid warning |
| 12:00.17 | Bushmills | iaj: grep DocumentRoot /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 12:01.24 | babilen | dddbmt: Do not hesitate to ask "stupid questions" -- we are here to help you. It is, however, important to figure out what has to be explained and what not. |
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| 12:03.53 | iaj | Bushmills; thanks very much:) got it |
| 12:04.44 | dddbmt | babilen: okay, it get what your saying - the init scripts is just something to start drupal on debian-startup? |
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| 12:05.05 | Bushmills | KBme: can't be that bugged: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1310990678273081761d.png |
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| 12:05.35 | KBme | dunno man, it won't run here.. |
| 12:05.43 | dddbmt | babilen: you said something about dpkg that would get me started on backporting drupal7. Could you repeat that? |
| 12:05.50 | babilen | dddbmt: Indeed, but there might be other things. The package will for example not have to be installed to /usr/local, you will get documentation in the places you would expect them (i.e. /usr/share/doc/drupal7), manpages are automatically integrated, ... the list goes on and on |
| 12:06.01 | Bushmills | KBme: munin probably no permissions to run mbmon. |
| 12:06.03 | babilen | dddbmt: See what dpkg just said. |
| 12:06.19 | KBme | Bushmills, i added user root |
| 12:06.28 | Bushmills | restarted node? |
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| 12:07.16 | KBme | Bushmills, i ran it with munin-run |
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| 12:08.14 | Bushmills | did you restart munin-node, after adding [mbheatzones]<cr>user root to munin node config? |
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| 12:08.21 | jelly | does tcptraceroute from squeeze work with ipv6? |
| 12:08.32 | jelly | the one from lenny doesn't seem to |
| 12:08.57 | tvm | it has -6 option, so i'd say so |
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| 12:09.01 | dddbmt | babilen, it sounds like you debian guys has thought that through;) I'll try setup the backport now! |
| 12:09.25 | babilen | dddbmt: Ok, let us know if something is unclear or if you run into problems. |
| 12:09.49 | dddbmt | babilen, I will! .... and I will ;) |
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| 12:11.07 | astropirate | How can I update ONLY a single package isntead of the entire system? (runit) |
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| 12:11.37 | Bushmills | astropirate: aptitude install package |
| 12:11.37 | devil | astropirate: apt-get install <package> |
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| 12:13.27 | astropirate | After attempting to install git-daemon-run (which failed) I keep getting this error for all of my installs: "There already is an SV entry in /etc/inittab. In order to have this package add an entry with the name SV to have runit's service supervision started by sysvinit, you need to remove or rename the current SV entry first." |
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| 12:14.05 | Bushmills | what could "...you need to remove or rename the current SV entry first."" possibly mean .. |
| 12:14.28 | devil | astropirate: i dont see how that error is related to git-daemon-run. look at /etc/inittab |
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| 12:16.00 | dddbmt | babilen, I'm a little unsure what dpkg said " 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list". Am I supposed to find a link for a drupal7 deb file? - Or what is "sid" in this case. |
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| 12:18.06 | babilen | dddbmt: No, you'll add a line like: "deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list (replace .uk. with whatever is applicable) -- That will allow apt-get to retrieve source packages. |
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| 12:19.25 | babilen | dddbmt: Retrieve them for the packages in sid that is. "deb" lines are for binary packages and "deb-src" lines for their corresponding source package. |
| 12:19.25 | dddbmt | babilen, you mean I can copy the line your just sent? (replacing .uk.) |
| 12:19.45 | babilen | dddbmt: Indeed, you might want to paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net so I can take a look. |
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| 12:20.50 | KBme | Bushmills, yeah: |
| 12:21.02 | KBme | # munin-run mbmon_TEMP \n /etc/munin/plugins/mbmon_TEMP: line 93: -c: command not found |
| 12:21.10 | KBme | i'd call that a bug |
| 12:21.46 | dddbmt | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/123238/ |
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| 12:22.47 | Bushmills | KBme: the mbheatzones plugin has only 90 lines, and is called mbheatzones, not mbmon |
| 12:23.34 | KBme | Bushmills, it doesn't exist in /usr/share/munin/plugins |
| 12:24.10 | dddbmt | babilen, maybe I should mention that it's a virtual server. |
| 12:24.37 | Bushmills | i don't know about the plugin you're using. can't help you with a problem it might have |
| 12:25.03 | KBme | Bushmills, where did you get the mbheatzones plugin? |
| 12:25.03 | babilen | dddbmt: Not quite. You want to get the source packages from *sid* too, you also need backports in there. See http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ for instructions. The sources.list would therefore be: http://paste.debian.net/123239/ |
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| 12:25.21 | Bushmills | KBme: i pasted the link |
| 12:25.35 | Bushmills | (13:53:46) Bushmills: http://munin.scarydevilmonastery.net - mbheatzones, mbfanspeed, mbvoltages |
| 12:25.38 | babilen | dddbmt: Run "aptitude update" to use the new sources.list |
| 12:25.54 | KBme | oh |
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| 12:26.22 | babilen | dddbmt: I am afk for a while, but I am sure that other people in here can help you too. Good luck! |
| 12:26.24 | KBme | ok i'll try it thanks |
| 12:26.25 | macs | how would i change my passwd in 1 command e.g: passwd --newpass=lolz |
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| 12:26.54 | dddbmt | babilen, thanks alot for your time! |
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| 12:27.27 | babilen | dddbmt: You are welcome. You might want to read the debian reference if you have some time to burn ;) -- /msg dpkg reference |
| 12:27.27 | KBme | ok, that doesn't work |
| 12:28.38 | KBme | ah well, i won't get cpu temperature then, dammit |
| 12:29.35 | Bushmills | that's not a big deal, as long the temperatures can be read somehow |
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| 12:37.07 | dddbmt | I am trying to make a backport of Drupal7 to Squeeze. I followed "!ssb" here in the channel, my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/123239/ and I have runned "aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential". |
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| 12:38.06 | dddbmt | The next step should be "aptitude build-dep drupal7; apt-get -b source drupal7;". But I guess I still need to do something, before that's possible. (package is not found) |
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| 12:47.20 | wols_ | ,versions drupal7 |
| 12:47.21 | judd | Package drupal7 on i386 -- sid: 7.4-1; wheezy: 7.4-1 |
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| 12:48.36 | wols_ | dddbmt: here (sid) the only build-dep drupal7 tries to get is dpatch. so install dpatch manually and skip the build-dep step |
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| 12:49.59 | wols_ | macs: man passwd. passwd <username> |
| 12:50.06 | macs | ty |
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| 12:55.40 | dddbmt | wols_, thank I'll try. aptitude install dpatch, or apt-get? |
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| 12:56.07 | wols_ | whatever you always use |
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| 12:57.06 | dddbmt | wols_, can it cause problems if I don't use the same everytime? |
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| 12:59.59 | allorder | dddbmt, http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/20/apt-get-aptitude-%E2%80%A6-pick-the-right-debian-package-manager-for-you/ |
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| 13:00.37 | flo` | hi |
| 13:00.59 | flo` | can i use wheezy's kernel on a squeeze system? or will there be breakage due to differently set options? |
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| 13:02.29 | tvm | flo`: it will most likely work. |
| 13:02.33 | babilen | flo`: Do you explicitly need .39 or would .38 be OK as well? |
| 13:02.52 | flo` | babilen, .38 would possibly also be okay |
| 13:02.59 | babilen | flo`: I just ask because IIRC .39 has some problems and .38 is available from backports. |
| 13:02.59 | dddbmt | wols_, I get some errors when trying to "apt-get -b source drupal7" http://paste.debian.net/123243/ |
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| 13:03.05 | babilen | !bdo kernel |
| 13:03.05 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6.38-bpo.2-686 See also <bdo kernel lenny>. |
| 13:03.33 | flo` | i'll try .38, thanks |
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| 13:03.49 | babilen | flo`: Try that ^^^ http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 13:04.01 | dddbmt | allorder, thanks for the link! |
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| 13:04.06 | flo` | i've some strange bugs with certain versions (with .32, .33, .36 but not with .35 and .37 and .39) |
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| 13:04.47 | allorder | dddbmt, np |
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| 13:05.36 | igormorgado | hello! |
| 13:05.44 | flo` | aptitude wants me to upgrade linux-base; will this break compatibility with older kernels or will it work? |
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| 13:08.43 | devil | flo`: what is 'older'? |
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| 13:12.17 | preller | theres a smbd and nmbd process running on my box for no apparent reason. how do i find out why it is running (maybe a dependency or something?)) |
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| 13:13.30 | igormorgado | preller: that is samba, you probably have installed it. |
| 13:13.48 | igormorgado | preller: you can remove, or disalbe it. Or just let it be. |
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| 13:14.49 | preller | igormorgado: okay, but i cant remember installing it so it must be a dep for something else. is there a way to find this out? (its a pretty fresh install, id remember installing samba) |
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| 13:15.39 | igormorgado | preller: if you use desktop directory sharing (under gnome) it uses samba. |
| 13:16.03 | igormorgado | preller: apt-get remove samba, and it will show you what will be uninstalled if you remove it. |
| 13:16.05 | preller | igormorgado: im running debian 6 on a headless system. |
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| 13:16.39 | igormorgado | preller: ok. then.. that is weird, you should have runned task selector and selected file server |
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| 13:20.24 | riddley | I'm trying to get the ATI drivers working on Wheezy-64 and I can't get the kernel module to load. It says that it's an invalid module format and dmesg says that the module disagrees about the version of symbol module_layout. I've tried deleting and recompiling the module. Any pointers? |
| 13:21.28 | igormorgado | ayambit: memtest86+ what are you looking for? speeds? |
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| 13:27.38 | capri | could i install and play steam games on debian with wine without much performance lost? or is it much better to install a windows on a second partition for gaming? |
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| 13:32.24 | devil | ayambit: are you talking about fglrx? its b0rked in testing. |
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| 13:33.31 | E-bola | Hello all, I'm on debian lenny 5.0, I was wondering if there was any packages or similar to allow iptables to activate on boot |
| 13:33.32 | ham5 | capri you lose about half the fps its doable on a decent system |
| 13:33.42 | E-bola | I can ofcourse script it myself but was wondering if there was a "correct" way to do it? |
| 13:34.04 | capri | ham5: ok thanks. so i need a very high performance system |
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| 13:34.27 | pilojo | how do you make a new partition with debians partition manager? |
| 13:34.34 | ham5 | there is iptables-restore and iptables-save e-bola... |
| 13:34.41 | ham5 | you still need to put it in rc.local or something |
| 13:35.00 | E-bola | ham5: Yes, its the part about where to put it im wondering about |
| 13:35.07 | E-bola | I guess there's no official way to do it |
| 13:35.15 | E-bola | People apear to do it in various ways |
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| 13:35.24 | ham5 | mines in init.d |
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| 13:35.40 | E-bola | Hmm apparently some1 made an iptables-persisten package in squeeze |
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| 13:40.26 | babilen | E-bola: yes, it works fine. You might want to upgrade to squeeze soonish anyway -- I guess you can backport that package from squeeze/sid for now: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:40.51 | E-bola | Yep thats my plan for both your poinst :) |
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| 13:40.59 | E-bola | Both to upgrade and to try and do a simple little backport |
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| 13:42.13 | babilen | Proceed and enjoy! :) |
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| 13:47.49 | discozohan | Hello! Can anyone explain me - there is a person, who sells IP adresses. I can't get - how can i bind them to my server ? Or its impossible ? |
| 13:48.27 | fti | ask your hoster |
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| 13:58.37 | andref | hi |
| 13:59.00 | Python | howdy andref |
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| 14:04.03 | andref | why it's so quiet here? |
| 14:04.06 | unkmar | I'm running lenny with backports enabled. Kernel: 2.6.32-bp.5-686. I have a Geforce2 Go video card, NV11. |
| 14:04.11 | andref | :> |
| 14:04.49 | unkmar | I wish to use the properietary nvidia drivers, and need the acpi enabled. Can't read my laptops battery life at moment. |
| 14:05.21 | ajikeshi | andref, its a good sign.. means nobody has any problems :D |
| 14:05.47 | devil | unkmar: did you disable acpi? |
| 14:05.51 | lilibox | i come with special question, i need realize on debian webserver anything like webcast or dunno how to call is |
| 14:05.54 | unkmar | So far, my attempts to get or build a working kernel and drivers have failed. |
| 14:06.12 | colo-work | lilibox, what is a webcast, by your definition of that word? |
| 14:06.20 | colo-work | you want to stream video data? |
| 14:06.32 | lilibox | listen, friend of mine shooted 24hours long movie |
| 14:06.34 | devil | unkmar: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:06.48 | wols_ | unkmar: you need nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx for your videocard |
| 14:07.11 | devil | yep, thats an oldish baby |
| 14:07.25 | unkmar | devil: I am using similar settings as my previous kernel, 2.6.26-2. and the acpi works with it. |
| 14:07.41 | andref | lilibox: do you mean web conferencing? |
| 14:07.42 | wols_ | unkmar: what settings exactly? we don't have a crystal ball |
| 14:07.45 | lilibox | and he wants broadcast it via browser and he wants visitor of webpage will see video related to time he joins pages |
| 14:08.08 | unkmar | wols: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 root=UUID=411f4ab4-8498-463f-b398 -8e320c746a47 ro vga=791 |
| 14:08.43 | andref | lilibox: check if http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/, if you only want to play a movie you can put it on youtube |
| 14:08.44 | lilibox | simply, if visitor will open page at 10:31 am stream must begin from 10:31 of original shooted material duration |
| 14:08.50 | andref | or in file |
| 14:08.50 | wols_ | unkmar: then acpi will be enabled if the kernel can do it. why are you using a lenny bpo kernel btw? |
| 14:09.37 | andref | lilibox: consider using http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/, but I belive that there shouldbe something better for you |
| 14:09.41 | unkmar | because I don't want to fight an install into squeeze. |
| 14:10.03 | unkmar | 2.6.26 doesn't support ath9k. |
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| 14:10.09 | wols_ | unkmar: and why do you need a squeze kernel then? (and you will need to upgrade sooner or later anyways. so why not now?) |
| 14:10.54 | lilibox | andref> he wants broadcast one already shooted movie, and that movie has duration 24hours |
| 14:11.06 | lilibox | no live material |
| 14:11.23 | unkmar | other than the wifi. It is usually easier to fix a couple of things than to fix MOST things. I am pretty sure that an upgrade will destroy most of my environment. |
| 14:12.09 | wols_ | unkmar: unless you destroyed your debian already, it will be fine, but your choice. your question have both been answered anyways. good luck |
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| 14:13.29 | andref | llimeht: you can try searching http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_streaming_media_systems |
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| 14:14.09 | lilibox | ok, problem is, i do not know how it is exactly called |
| 14:14.11 | lilibox | :) |
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| 14:15.45 | wols_ | lilibox: can you program and if so in what language usable for the web? |
| 14:15.53 | Big_Brother | does a 'private' paste on pastebin work like a private video on youtube? only those with a link will be able to find it? |
| 14:16.10 | andref | lilibox: I do not know too, I'll have to do an research |
| 14:16.12 | andref | :) |
| 14:16.16 | wols_ | Big_Brother: ask the pastebin hoster |
| 14:16.18 | lilibox | wolf_, ANSI C/python |
| 14:16.32 | lilibox | but if i will find what i will need, i will find coders for it |
| 14:16.34 | colo-work | lilibox, I'm pretty sure you can do that by using either icecast or ffserver (from ffmpeg) |
| 14:16.42 | lilibox | it will be hosted on debian |
| 14:16.47 | lilibox | soo i can do anything |
| 14:16.48 | wols_ | lilibox: you will need to have to do your own programming imho. at least javascript for client side and maybe some python server side |
| 14:17.14 | Big_Brother | wols_: it's the main site. |
| 14:17.24 | lilibox | color-work, yes, i thought about ffmpeg |
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| 14:18.02 | lilibox | but how client tell to ffmpeg start point of movie |
| 14:18.14 | wols_ | lilibox: I just told you: javascript |
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| 14:18.35 | colo-work | wols_, no need to. HTML5 <video> and an appropriate URI for the embedded video should do |
| 14:18.42 | colo-work | (with a streaming server in the background) |
| 14:18.51 | wols_ | and of course a streamingserver where you can jump to a special timecode via link |
| 14:18.53 | colo-work | I did a similar thing for proxying web radio streams half a year ago |
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| 14:18.55 | colo-work | using icecast |
| 14:18.58 | colo-work | was a piece of cake |
| 14:19.15 | wols_ | colo-work: and how do you get the local browser's time? |
| 14:19.35 | lilibox | yeap, it it main question for me too |
| 14:20.11 | colo-work | wols_, well, you don't. I'd use an instance of VLC on the server side to relay the video in real time to the icecast/ffserver instance, and just have the browser play back that stream. will work only for users in the server's timezone though. |
| 14:20.15 | lilibox | i want everyminute sync movie position with local client time |
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| 14:20.38 | colo-work | local client time means more effort implementing that for sure |
| 14:20.59 | wols_ | colo-work: cool! 24 (at least) different servers then. awesome! |
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| 14:22.06 | colo-work | I could come off as a wise-ass now as well, but I opt not to :) |
| 14:22.17 | andref | lilibox: http://www.scvi.net/software.htm see this |
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| 14:22.44 | andref | it is plugin for winamp |
| 14:23.00 | jaakkos | what's the deal with bios boot partition and grub2? my recent debian installations with grub2 didn't create one, but out of the blue, grub-install on one of them failed yesterday because one did not exist. |
| 14:23.23 | jaakkos | using GPT. i noticed, on that failing machine, no boot flag was set for the rootfs partition. however, i understood this should be unrelated. i created a small partition with bios_grub flag set, and the grub-install worked again. |
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| 14:24.32 | jaakkos | on other debian installations i have, there is no bios boot but grub-install works fine. afaik, i'm not using blocklists unless they are enabled behind my back. |
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| 14:27.03 | jemadux | i have gnome2 in wheezy how to install the fresh new gnome3 how to do that ? |
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| 14:27.15 | wols_ | !tell jemadux about gnome3 |
| 14:27.23 | andref | lilibox: http://www.mediacollege.com/video/streaming/overview.html |
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| 14:29.40 | jemadux | when debian with be ready ? how to contribute ? |
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| 14:30.05 | jemadux | gnome3 |
| 14:30.07 | jemadux | * |
| 14:32.17 | MrFrood | !gnome3 |
| 14:32.17 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 14:32.50 | dedbef | ;) |
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| 14:33.45 | mosno | "not yet complete"? as in "not yet ported to debian"? |
| 14:34.29 | mosno | wow, upstream gnome is suggesting distros now. progress. |
| 14:34.40 | mosno | it used to be just "here's the source", or "here's our demo livecd" |
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| 14:35.10 | PELO | olá |
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| 14:39.39 | nettezzaumana | omg |
| 14:39.41 | nettezzaumana | # ip a |
| 14:39.44 | nettezzaumana | -bash: ip: command not found |
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| 14:40.06 | nettezzaumana | how is it possible with kernel 2.6+ and year of 2011 ?? |
| 14:40.10 | lilibox | great, i will check it, and thank you much dudes for help |
| 14:40.17 | koollman | nettezzaumana: well ... ip isn't installed ? |
| 14:40.24 | koollman | nothing to do with god, though |
| 14:40.37 | koollman | nettezzaumana: aptitude install iproute |
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| 14:41.32 | nettezzaumana | koollman: seems like for god's sake .. as a senior UNIX specialist i'm astonished .. okay, i'm not focused to linux but i though that i still know a much about linux |
| 14:41.58 | nettezzaumana | koollman: there is not internet connection .. i have to download it by hand and dpkg -i it iirc |
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| 14:43.12 | fleischergesell | well, then the question is: Why do you need "ip" if there is no internet anyway? ;-) |
| 14:43.30 | nettezzaumana | fleischergesell: for setting up addresses, routes, whatever |
| 14:43.34 | nettezzaumana | oh god |
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| 14:43.57 | nettezzaumana | version 5.0.4 .. |
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| 14:44.44 | nettezzaumana | fleischergesell: networked machine have nothing to do with access to internet ;) |
| 14:45.19 | fleischergesell | mh, I'd rather use ifconfig then to establish a connection and then apt-get whatever packages I need to do the proper setup |
| 14:45.20 | nettezzaumana | customer just have this one (maybe few more) supporting debian machine |
| 14:45.40 | nettezzaumana | fleischergesell: not possible in .gov env man |
| 14:45.52 | koollman | nettezzaumana: not possible to have access to a working repository ? |
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| 14:46.03 | nettezzaumana | koollman: exactly |
| 14:46.26 | koollman | I wonder how security updates are handled, then |
| 14:46.28 | nettezzaumana | no worry, i can still download by hand and upload thru vpn |
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| 14:46.58 | nettezzaumana | koollman: no security at least as far as i'm not responsible for linuxes i have no care |
| 14:47.26 | koollman | heh. must be ... not so fun, to work with that |
| 14:47.46 | asyy_ | I installed ffmpeg with apt-get install. I can't get this to work; I suspect I am just useless. I am trying to change the resolution of a video. I used "ffmpeg -i input.mov -s hd720 output.mov". I got a bunch of text and then "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.1". I was able to convert the .mov to mp4, and I tried reducing the resolution the same way, but I receive the same error. |
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| 14:48.00 | fleischergesell | If you have a cdrom drive just download latest installer cd, there should be all the needed software in the cd rep |
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| 14:48.31 | wols_ | asyy_:did you get your ffmpeg binary from dmm? |
| 14:48.41 | pipeline | asyy_: use mencoder, so that you can have mplayer use dmm evil codecs for the decode |
| 14:48.49 | nettezzaumana | koollman: pff. well, i started with debian more then ten years ago .. 2.2 kernels era and as far as i see nothing real has changed .. what a shame |
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| 14:48.59 | stew | asyy_: the ffmpeg in debian has many codecs removed |
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| 14:49.45 | asyy_ | @wols I am using crunchbang, and installed with "sudo apt-get install ffmpeg" |
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| 14:49.57 | wols_ | !crunchbang |
| 14:49.57 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
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| 14:51.16 | nettezzaumana | thinks about to create new distro based on debian and called `openretard' |
| 14:51.23 | K4k | Hi, I was hoping to get assistance figuring out why I get an unknown window on my screen every time I log in to my icewm session. Google hasn't been much help since I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for. |
| 14:51.25 | kunwon1 | my debian server has restarted twice in the past few days and i don't know why, no clues in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog. can anyone suggest other places to look for clues? |
| 14:51.49 | ajikeshi | kunwon1, rootkit? |
| 14:52.02 | koollman | nettezzaumana: you sound more and more like an angry troll and less and less like someone asking for reasonable help |
| 14:52.07 | wessly | temperatures? |
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| 14:52.17 | nettezzaumana | kunwon1: check a temperatures |
| 14:52.53 | kunwon1 | hmmm good idea i'll check that |
| 14:53.04 | nettezzaumana | koollman: yes i am angry right now since it's few few years ago i worked with debian last time |
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| 14:54.41 | fleischergesell | nettezzaumana: If you have a working vpn connection to the server, why not setup your computer as a proxy to servce a debian repository? |
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| 14:55.18 | fleischergesell | kunwon1: Power outage might also be possible, I do not know your env |
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| 14:55.49 | nettezzaumana | fleischergesell: thanks for suggestion. i'll resolve it somehow .. i have first to open ticket that i want to do so because it's the goverment machine ... every little change have to be consulted |
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| 14:55.56 | K4k | The window that appears at icewm login will not allow me to close it as well. |
| 14:56.19 | asyy_ | @stew: how do I install the codecs? |
| 14:56.38 | MarconM | who use Kazam for record desktop |
| 14:56.40 | MarconM | on debian |
| 14:56.42 | MarconM | ? |
| 14:57.06 | stew | asyy_: wrong channel, you want to be asking in #crunchbang |
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| 14:57.33 | asyy_ | k, thanks |
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| 15:01.18 | tharkun | Gentlemen, good morning. How can i get the resolution a graphics card is running while connecting to it through ssh? |
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| 15:01.38 | nettezzaumana | koollman: btw i didn't ask for help, i don't need a help and if so i ask google first what works in 99% of cases. i justed wanted to share my frustration from debian with someone else |
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| 15:02.15 | koollman | nettezzaumana: I can understand that. sometimes I'm angry at debian too :) |
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| 15:03.04 | nettezzaumana | koollman: no need to feel touched .. i didn't attack you but just simple fact that it seems to me that *nothing real (conceptualy) has changed in past ten years, that's all |
| 15:03.07 | nettezzaumana | ;) |
| 15:03.16 | nettezzaumana | koollman: but thanks for your will to help me mate |
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| 15:04.49 | koollman | well, a lot of thing have changed. But ... debian still ship with old software, no matter what the current year is. And some really nice software isn't installed by default. And most of it will never be updated during the life cycle of the then-stable release . And... while I understand the idea behind it ... I can also feel the anger :) |
| 15:05.47 | babilen | koollman: You might want to use a different distribution if Debian's release cycle and the nature of the stable releases does not suit you. |
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| 15:06.38 | koollman | babilen: well... it's a good choice by default. I just wish sometimes it was easier to maintain a parallel mirror with up to date stuff |
| 15:06.46 | nettezzaumana | koollman: yeah, enjoy us in #openindiana, once oracle murdered opensolaris is openindiana (and his codebase illumos) pretty growing thing |
| 15:07.08 | TheWarden | Would I follow these instructions to install the latest stable Wine v1.2.3 on Debian Squeeze? |
| 15:07.26 | koollman | (or even sometimes 'working' stuff. I remember an old bug I had to 'solve' by getting backport packages, since the stable, broken package was stable :) ) |
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| 15:07.59 | babilen | koollman: You can not be maintainer for the thousands of packages in Debian. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:08.19 | babilen | koollman: What is wrong with using a backport? It is exactly what you needed in that case. |
| 15:08.45 | nettezzaumana | anyway, bye girls and boys |
| 15:08.51 | nettezzaumana | regards koollman |
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| 15:08.56 | babilen | koollman: And some of these issues are handled in point releases. |
| 15:09.22 | koollman | babilen: my dream OS! err... no. that's lower on the todo list. I try to conciliate customers wanting 'awesome' hype stuff, me wanting to try the latest tech and have some recent features, and debian (fortunately) trying to maintain a stable environment for me to work with |
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| 15:11.04 | babilen | koollman: Well, those are contradictory goals. There is no way to test and integrate software that has been released 2 minutes ago. But I was asking specifically: What is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 15:11.28 | koollman | I know the goals are contradictory. but that's most of my job |
| 15:11.46 | koollman | babilen: I was just commenting on nettezzaumana's anger |
| 15:12.09 | koollman | more recently ... I was angry about squeeze shipping faulty-by-default lxc templates. but I think I found a working one |
| 15:12.27 | babilen | That anger was pointless as it much rather stems from governmental policies that dictate a certain workflow than Debian's shortcomings. |
| 15:12.44 | babilen | Be that as it may, as you don't have a problem right now, there is nothing I can do to help you. |
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| 15:15.22 | koollman | hmm. maybe I could need some help. how would I get an lxc template accepted in squeeze ? |
| 15:15.39 | koollman | considering the one named 'lxc-debian' currently installs lenny (which is strange) and won't reboot correctly ? :) |
| 15:15.54 | koollman | (that, is the kind of sources of anger I would love to avoid) |
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| 15:17.14 | erlehmann | oh hello there. |
| 15:17.34 | erlehmann | i have a linker problem. is libc-dev borked? |
| 15:17.52 | erlehmann | using Debian GNU/Linux testing (wheezy) |
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| 15:18.22 | koollman | erlehmann: any specific error message ? |
| 15:18.56 | erlehmann | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory |
| 15:18.56 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.06 | erlehmann | koollman, sounds like madness ._. |
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| 15:19.35 | koollman | sounds like broken references to me |
| 15:19.59 | erlehmann | so what do? replace binutils? |
| 15:20.01 | koollman | try: ldconfig -p | grep crt1 |
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| 15:20.28 | koollman | oh. is that during a compilation, or running something else ? |
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| 15:20.59 | erlehmann | during compilation of Minetest Î |
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| 15:21.35 | erlehmann | 173 minetest-delta:master? â
/sbin/ldconfig -p|grep crt1 |
| 15:21.36 | erlehmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.48 | erlehmann | bad? i assume |
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| 15:23.29 | koollman | erlehmann: run ldconfig, with no parameters |
| 15:23.34 | koollman | and try to compile again |
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| 15:24.31 | erlehmann | koollman, does not werk. |
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| 15:25.27 | koollman | erlehmann: is libc6-dev installed ? is the file really not there ? (should be /usr/lib/crt1.o ) |
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| 15:26.11 | erlehmann | 182 minetest-delta:master? â
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| 15:26.11 | erlehmann | ls: cannot access /usr/lib/crt1.o: No such file or directory |
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| 15:26.33 | erlehmann | there is a file called /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o |
| 15:26.41 | erlehmann | i am confuzzled |
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| 15:28.49 | erlehmann | :( |
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| 15:39.43 | MarconM | has debian live cd |
| 15:39.45 | MarconM | ? |
| 15:40.31 | fleischergesell | MarconM: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+live+cd |
| 15:40.47 | MarconM | flamingspinach: i can to install with live cd |
| 15:41.17 | fleischergesell | I'm not sure what you mean by that |
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| 15:42.49 | dca | he must ask if he can install debian from this live cd |
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| 15:42.55 | dca | he must ask if he can install debian from this live cd |
| 15:43.05 | LoRez | dca: knock it off. |
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| 15:43.30 | dca | he must ask if he can install debian from this live cd |
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| 15:44.02 | fleischergesell | And he cannot google that himself? |
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| 15:45.02 | tharkun | fleischergesell: I consider myself google impaired. But i do understand there are other search engines |
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| 15:45.40 | fleischergesell | tharkun: Sorry for that, sed 's/google/search the internet/' |
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| 15:47.35 | jemadux | how to install the fresh new iceweasel / icedove on debianbox ? fyi firefox5 and thunderbird5 is out |
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| 15:48.42 | Lars_G | Greets all. |
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| 15:48.48 | fleischergesell | jemadux: Use sid or the mozilla mirror |
| 15:49.28 | erlehmann | koollman, i removed gcc 4.4 and installed gcc 4.6 we'll see. |
| 15:49.37 | jemadux | fleischergesell: hug ? am using testing |
| 15:49.54 | Lars_G | erlehmann: You can use alternatives, or full gcc name instead of removing and installing the other |
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| 15:51.29 | aLgEBrA | on a debian system i have a file called /etc/cron.daily/dnsquery - is this a harmless one or a hack ? |
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| 15:52.11 | Lars_G | Question, is there ANY way to make the dropbox package (or rather dpkg/apt) understand that libnautilus-extension1 2.30.1-2squeeze1 DOES qualify as (>= 1:2.22.2) ? |
| 15:52.13 | aLgEBrA | because it emails to an unknow email adress and the only info i found says that it could be deleted .. |
| 15:53.29 | stew | Lars_G: no, dpkg understands correctly that it ISN'T >= 1:2.22.2 |
| 15:53.29 | fleischergesell | aLgEBrA: My crystal ball is broken right now, so might you wanna tell us whats actually in the file |
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| 15:53.40 | Lars_G | stew: How come it's not? |
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| 15:53.49 | Lars_G | isn't 2.30 >= 2.22? |
| 15:53.54 | stew | Lars_G: because without the 1:, the implied epoch is 0: and 1>0 |
| 15:53.59 | aLgEBrA | fleischergesell, yes dont know wheres the smart-paste button in xchat ;) |
| 15:54.04 | aLgEBrA | #!/bin/sh |
| 15:54.04 | aLgEBrA | cd /usr/lib/ |
| 15:54.04 | aLgEBrA | ./popauth -r httpd.log > test |
| 15:54.04 | aLgEBrA | mkdir /usr/share/misc/ |
| 15:54.04 | aLgEBrA | mkdir /usr/share/misc/blah/ |
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| 15:54.09 | Lars_G | hmmm |
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| 15:54.18 | aLgEBrA | killall -9 popauth |
| 15:54.20 | aLgEBrA | export PATH=/usr/lib/ |
| 15:54.22 | aLgEBrA | popauth -w httpd.log & |
| 15:54.24 | aLgEBrA | export PATH=$A |
| 15:54.26 | aLgEBrA | re |
| 15:54.27 | stew | Lars_G: note that there is no dropbox package distributed by debian, perhaps whomever you got this package from made a packaging error, or this isn't intended for debian |
| 15:54.30 | Lars_G | aLgEBrA: Please use a pastebin |
| 15:54.35 | stew | aLgEBrA: please stop flooding the channel |
| 15:54.53 | aLgEBrA | ok next time i will use the pastebin |
| 15:55.08 | fleischergesell | jemadux: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 15:55.24 | fleischergesell | (You could have found that by yourself btw) |
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| 15:56.13 | PhotoCoder | yo |
| 15:56.38 | Lars_G | stew: Would you quickly define epoch for me? (in the package wise meaning) |
| 15:56.57 | jemadux | fleischergesell: yea i know but has no firefox 4 or 5 |
| 15:57.03 | fleischergesell | aLgEBrA: Is that your server/computer? |
| 15:57.11 | fleischergesell | jemadux: Sure it has iceweasel 5 |
| 15:57.13 | aLgEBrA | fleischergesell, yes it is |
| 15:57.46 | fleischergesell | aLgEBrA: Then you should know what popauth is doing, you must have set it up by yourself. |
| 15:57.54 | PhotoCoder | If I create a symbolic link to a script somewhere that's set chmod +x and put the link in /etc/cron.hourly, will it be run hourly provided I restart the cron daemon? |
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| 15:57.59 | stew | Lars_G: its something we put onto the front of a version number to order versions that wouldn't otherwise be ordered correctly. for instance, software "foo" used to be released with version numbers like 20110718, then they release "foo 1.0" and we need an artificial way to tell dpkg that "1.0 > 20110718" |
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| 15:58.06 | aLgEBrA | no i have no popauth on the system |
| 15:58.11 | jemadux | fleischergesell: nope dude , it hasn't |
| 15:58.19 | Lars_G | stew: I understand. Thank you |
| 15:58.41 | stew | Lars_G: so we make 1.0 be 1:1.0 which tells dpkg that it is newer than 0:20110718 |
| 15:58.47 | fleischergesell | aLgEBrA: Is popauth a binary file? If not, please pastebin its contents |
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| 15:59.10 | Lars_G | stew: so given this is libnautilus1 the 1: probably means version one. and version numbers in 1.0 overlap with those in pre 1.0 or in 2.0 |
| 15:59.15 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 15:59.32 | Lars_G | Now, if I can guess they're talking about the same, I can modify the control file for that package. |
| 15:59.44 | fleischergesell | jemadux: apt-cache policy isweasel says otherwise: 5.0-3~bpo60+1 0 for http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports/iceweasel-release amd64 Packages |
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| 16:01.25 | Arrowmaster | jemadux: i was using it when i was running squeeze, it has iceweasel 5.0 |
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| 16:01.54 | jemadux | Arrowmaster: why i am not see that ? :/ |
| 16:02.23 | fleischergesell | jemadux: What do you run to "see that"? |
| 16:02.25 | erlehmann | koollman, i removed gcc 4.4 and it werks. :) |
| 16:02.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont know but i just know its available from there, probably something wrong on your end |
| 16:02.54 | jemadux | fleischergesell: in mozzila.debian.net ? perphps ? |
| 16:03.24 | fleischergesell | I was refering to the command you use to see what versions your apt offers you... |
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| 16:03.39 | fleischergesell | of course, _after_ you put the proper mirror in your sources.list |
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| 16:04.13 | aLgEBrA | fleischergesell, i have found it after i ran updatedb ;) its a binary and it says error while loading shared libraries: libdb.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:05.19 | fleischergesell | aLgEBrA: Did you check when it got there? Or, atleast, when it was last changed/modified? |
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| 16:06.21 | PhotoCoder | Any reasons why snapshot_job.py in /etc/cron.hourly/ is not running? |
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| 16:06.46 | fleischergesell | PhotoCoder: Sorry, crystal ball broken again. |
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| 16:07.01 | aLgEBrA | Access: 2011-07-18 16:05:37.000000000 +0200 |
| 16:07.01 | aLgEBrA | Modify: 2011-04-15 19:23:00.000000000 +0200 |
| 16:07.01 | aLgEBrA | Change: 2011-05-26 02:02:28.000000000 +0200 |
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| 16:07.23 | aLgEBrA | how can i sea what i have installed at 04-15 ? |
| 16:07.45 | cahoot | via aptitude? |
| 16:08.08 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.33 | llutz | PhotoCoder: "man run-parts" read about .... Debian cron script namespace (^[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+$) ... |
| 16:08.53 | PhotoCoder | llutz: Okay, reading :-) |
| 16:09.44 | llutz | PhotoCoder: short: filenames in /etc/cron.hourly|daily etc shouldn't contain a "." dot, so no fileextensions allowed |
| 16:10.04 | PhotoCoder | Ah, so I should make the symbolic link with no .py |
| 16:10.50 | aLgEBrA | cahoot, apt-file search popauth is also good |
| 16:11.36 | fleischergesell | aLgEBrA: Btw, http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=popauth+dnsquery |
| 16:11.53 | fleischergesell | This might make this a lot shorter |
| 16:12.33 | aLgEBrA | fleischergesell, yo they all talking about they are hacked |
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| 16:12.51 | fleischergesell | true, the same apparently goes for your server aswell |
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| 16:13.38 | dobalina | anyone remember the calling code to call canada or the Us from euorpe |
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| 16:13.47 | dobalina | is it 011 then the area code + number ? |
| 16:14.05 | dobalina | can't remember keeps telling me number isn't working argh |
| 16:14.08 | stew | dobalina: use #freenode for general questions |
| 16:14.19 | dobalina | eugh |
| 16:14.22 | dobalina | nvm :P |
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| 16:16.22 | aLgEBrA | fleischergesell, but theres no statement how to remove and i have found some info that this dnsquery is useless without libdb.so. and theres no info about a backdoor or system bug.. |
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| 16:16.32 | Lars_G | I'm sorry but can't find it on apt.. what package provides ar please? |
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| 16:17.22 | fleischergesell | aLgEBrA: Somebody must have put the files there, and only root should be allowed to do this, so somebody must have had root-priviliges on your system |
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| 16:17.35 | stew | Lars_G: binutils: /usr/bin/ar ; ("dpkg -S $(which ar)" would tell you) |
| 16:17.57 | Lars_G | thanks stew |
| 16:18.04 | Lars_G | hmm ok |
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| 16:18.25 | Python | !ops evaa "hello sexy girls show http://webcams.de.lv" |
| 16:18.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: python complains about: evaa "hello sexy girls show http://webcams.de.lv" |
| 16:18.25 | t4nk945 | HI, I am confused, and sorry for the dumb question: is Debian-live a 'regular' live CD or is it a system of ressources to built/customize a Debian install into a CD/DVD? Thanks |
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| 16:18.56 | stew | Python: please don't send spam to the channel |
| 16:18.59 | LoRez | stew? |
| 16:19.08 | stew | LoRez: hi? |
| 16:19.09 | Python | stew: evaa send me that message |
| 16:19.11 | Python | hello sexy girls show http://webcams.de.lv |
| 16:19.14 | LoRez | did it spam you? |
| 16:19.16 | stew | LoRez: no |
| 16:19.19 | Python | clue : (05:17:26 PM) evaa: hello sexy girls show http://webcams.de.lv |
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| 16:19.35 | peterS | Python: yes and now you just sent it to hundreds of other people. you can report spam without actually quoting it |
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| 16:20.45 | Lars_G | Python: Plus if it was sent off channel, you can always ignore the person, or take the matter to an ircop if it takes that |
| 16:21.25 | Python | okay sorry |
| 16:21.38 | t4nk945 | HI, I am confused, and sorry for the dumb question: is Debian-live a 'regular' live CD or is it a system of ressources to built/customize a Debian install into a CD/DVD? Thanks |
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| 16:21.58 | daemonkeeper | !live |
| 16:21.58 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 16:22.00 | stew | t4nk945: a regular live CD |
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| 16:22.27 | t4nk945 | stew: thanks |
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| 16:32.48 | xreal | I want to redirect /tmp to another location while running the system. Is this possible? |
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| 16:34.20 | catsup | xreal: yes, you can just use a symlink |
| 16:34.23 | catsup | LOL!! |
| 16:34.41 | catsup | nice timing |
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| 16:35.07 | sugardrunk | hello, which driver would you recommend for ATI RADEON 9550 on Debian Squeeze? do I have to use proprietary drivers for full support? |
| 16:35.34 | MrFrood | canot the location of tmp be set in a shells rc/profile scripts? |
| 16:35.39 | sugardrunk | I have some bad experiences with prorietaries... |
| 16:36.11 | MrFrood | !tell sugardrunk about ati |
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| 16:36.30 | sugardrunk | thanks |
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| 16:38.04 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.12 | blubberdiblub | MrFrood, you mean the TMPDIR env variable. yes it can, it can also be set interactively in the shell, but it's not so sure if everything honors this setting (especially already running programs won't honor it) |
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| 16:39.40 | sugardrunk | wols_: that is what I was also unsure of, thanks |
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| 16:42.07 | MrFrood | blubberdiblub: thanks |
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| 16:57.11 | thinkster | How do I zip up a bunch of files? |
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| 16:58.01 | nkuttler | thinkster: man zip? |
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| 17:01.47 | slaeshjag | Hey, anyone know how to get a i386 version of liblzma under the x86_64 release? |
| 17:02.08 | wols_ | ia32-libs? |
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| 17:02.38 | slaeshjag | wols_: Doesn't include lzma |
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| 17:04.00 | andrewwiggin | what does the debian logo mean next to a package entry in synaptics? |
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| 17:06.08 | slaeshjag | feck it, I'll just download the i386 package and stick it into /usr/lib32.. |
| 17:08.09 | jelly-home | slaeshjag: it's not too hard to whip up a custom ia32-libraryname package if you really needed, but I wouldn't both with that for a single machine |
| 17:08.28 | jelly-home | would not bother* dammit |
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| 17:09.31 | fafa | Hi, I would like some help about a gigabit disaster... |
| 17:10.49 | babilen | fafa: Our crystal balls are unfortunately not *that* powerful -- Could you provide more information about your problem? Which "gigabit disaster" are you referring to? |
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| 17:11.45 | fafa | I got a network card DGE-528T which is a gigabit one, linked to a gigabit switch |
| 17:11.53 | fafa | but the problem is it runs in 100 Mbps |
| 17:11.54 | shantorn | i thougt you had a magic wand to fix all |
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| 17:13.15 | fafa | I tried to force it via ethtool but no success |
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| 17:13.46 | shantorn | could someone recomend a very robust tool for managing power, erog cpu on demand or minimul or full power? |
| 17:13.58 | shantorn | ergo* |
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| 17:15.18 | fafa | do you know cpufreq ? |
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| 17:15.55 | shantorn | i do not, is it in the repo's? |
| 17:16.00 | stew | fafa: i'd check the cable. if you lose even one of the pins in a cable, you can only get 100mb |
| 17:16.25 | wols_ | shantorn: cpurequtils |
| 17:16.30 | wols_ | shantorn: cpufrequtils |
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| 17:16.41 | Tigerboy | anyone had a problem getting flash on iceweasel? I have placed the *flash.so file in the plugins folder of firefox... tried to install each version from the various repos... nothing works. |
| 17:16.57 | Tigerboy | but now it says you don't have the latest version |
| 17:17.00 | babilen | fafa: You might also want to take a look at ethtool |
| 17:17.13 | Tigerboy | I dld it from sid |
| 17:17.43 | Tigerboy | and I dl'd the *.so from adobe |
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| 17:18.18 | Tigerboy | still "you don't have the latest version so you cannot play-- youtube etc |
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| 17:19.41 | devil | Tigerboy: its quite easy: remove what you did, then: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, restart iceweasel, done. |
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| 17:20.14 | Tigerboy | devil: did that on each of the repos |
| 17:21.04 | Tigerboy | devil: i think I am going to purge iceweasel completely and reinstall |
| 17:21.25 | K4k | I can't seem to get audio working. I've got an IBM T23 that has the 82801CA/CAM audio chipset and I've got the alsa package installed. Is there a kernel module for my audio card that needs to be loaded as well that I've maybe forgotten? |
| 17:21.30 | devil | Tigerboy: what does about:plugins say about the version? |
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| 17:21.52 | devil | Tigerboy: it should say: Shockwave Flash 11.0 d1 |
| 17:22.05 | cahoot | K4k, run speaker-test -t wav -c2 - error or sound? |
| 17:22.41 | K4k | cahoot: no error or sound |
| 17:23.04 | cahoot | K4k, run /etc/init-d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 17:23.17 | cahoot | err /etc/init.d |
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| 17:23.34 | K4k | cahoot: did that and now running speaker-test again is still quiet |
| 17:23.50 | K4k | Also confirmed with alsamixer, no muted channels |
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| 17:24.00 | Tigerboy | devil: mozplugger at the top java-- then misc others like vlc, silverlight but it lists flash under mosplugger |
| 17:24.08 | cahoot | K4k, cat /proc/asound/cards - only one i e card0? |
| 17:24.31 | Tigerboy | *MozPlugger |
| 17:24.46 | K4k | cahoot: correct, only one card "ICH - Intel 82801CA-ICH3" |
| 17:24.47 | devil | Tigerboy: somethings wrong. you probably have mozilla-flash stuff installed as well |
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| 17:25.30 | shantorn | wols_, id that a cli tool or gui? |
| 17:25.36 | Tigerboy | devil: adobe says you must have mozplugger installed. I don't have any other flash plugin |
| 17:25.58 | cahoot | K4k, lspci -k | grep -i audio (to see what module it uses) |
| 17:26.00 | devil | Tigerboy: thats why i said: remove all you did and reinstall with apt |
| 17:26.13 | Tigerboy | ok will do ta |
| 17:26.25 | devil | Tigerboy: you are mixing all kind of things, its bound to fail |
| 17:26.44 | Tigerboy | devil: what am I mixing |
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| 17:26.59 | K4k | cahoot: "00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)" |
| 17:27.01 | devil | Tigerboy: stuff from adobe site with stuff from apt |
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| 17:27.17 | Tigerboy | devil: silverlight and vlc are separate... i'm sure you have mozplugger at the top too |
| 17:27.37 | devil | Tigerboy: no, i dint have it at all |
| 17:27.44 | devil | dont |
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| 17:27.52 | cahoot | K4k, lspci -k | grep -A5 -i audio (should list the module ) sorry |
| 17:28.04 | Tigerboy | devil: yes i dl'd the tar file from adobe and placed the flash.so file in firefox plugins folder but that was only a last resort |
| 17:28.14 | K4k | cahoot: Intel ICH |
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| 17:28.27 | cahoot | snd-intel8x0? |
| 17:28.37 | K4k | ok |
| 17:28.47 | cahoot | that was a question |
| 17:29.04 | K4k | cahoot: oh, I don't know |
| 17:29.13 | K4k | I just tried modprobing it and I still get no sound |
| 17:29.18 | K4k | where can I find the list of available modules? |
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| 17:30.02 | cahoot | K4k, the module was alreay loaded, I was just wondering if it's snd-intel8x0 och snd-hda-intel |
| 17:30.08 | cahoot | s/och/or |
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| 17:30.24 | K4k | oh, fromwhat I was reading on the alsa wiki it's intel8x0 |
| 17:30.33 | cahoot | I guess so |
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| 17:30.45 | cahoot | but lspci -k would tell you |
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| 17:31.51 | K4k | cahoot: it says the kernel drive in use is Intel ICH |
| 17:32.07 | K4k | s/drive/driver |
| 17:32.51 | cahoot | try alsa force-reload' |
| 17:33.38 | K4k | cahoot: nope |
| 17:34.42 | cahoot | put the output from lsmod|grep snd on a pastebin |
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| 17:36.10 | K4k | cahoot: what's the prefered pastebin here? |
| 17:36.18 | cahoot | !paste |
| 17:36.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:36.24 | K4k | thanks |
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| 17:36.52 | cga | hi, which package contains "dpkg-maintscript-helper" ? (lenny) |
| 17:37.05 | K4k | cahoot: ew, is there a way to copy/paste in xterm? |
| 17:37.37 | K4k | nvm |
| 17:38.07 | K4k | http://pastie.org/2232775 |
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| 17:39.00 | cahoot | well it's snd-intel8x0 allright, no reason that old module should pose a problem |
| 17:39.27 | cahoot | hw error outruled? |
| 17:39.37 | K4k | I had audio working on here not long ago under #! so I assume the hardware is fine |
| 17:39.55 | K4k | in fact, I had it working as of the July 4th weekend when I installed it on vacation. |
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| 17:40.27 | cahoot | K4k, as far as alsa is concerned all is fine |
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| 17:41.50 | K4k | cahoot: I've turned the volume up all the way in alsamixer and I can just barely hear the speaker test in my headphones |
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| 17:45.03 | kie27 | hiya, when I try running hugin on wheezy i get an immediate seg fault and the following error in /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/KE72z5q4, any suggestions? |
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| 17:49.26 | K4k | cahoot: Unknown hardware: "ICH" "Cirrus Logic CS4299 rev 6" "AC97a:43525936" "0x1014" "0x0222" |
| 17:49.37 | K4k | I get this from "alsactrl restore" |
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| 17:51.24 | ironm | good afternoon - does one of you use debian squeeze or wheezy on HP DL385 g7 server? (AMD 6176SE CPUs)? My question is where to place 4 additional memory modules (there are already 4 x 4GByte inside .. 1 and 7 / left and right ) to get the best performance? - Thank you in advance for short hint. |
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| 17:57.20 | lamah | how cna i set perm 'domainname' instead of editing /etc/hosts hostname ? hostname is hostname only i think ? |
| 17:58.10 | stew | lamah: set it for what? |
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| 17:58.21 | lamah | stew: domainname |
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| 17:58.41 | lamah | stew: domainname form tty |
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| 17:58.41 | stew | lamah: what do you mean? |
| 17:58.41 | stew | "form tty" |
| 17:58.44 | nkuttler | lamah: /etc/hostname ? |
| 17:58.47 | lamah | stew: from console |
| 17:59.01 | lamah | localhost domainname |
| 17:59.08 | nkuttler | oh, man 1 hostname maybe |
| 17:59.18 | SuperMiguel | does the debian intaller supports mdadm? |
| 17:59.20 | lamah | nkuttler: yes but domainname ? |
| 17:59.32 | lamah | nkuttler: command shows none if i edit /etc/hostname |
| 17:59.44 | stew | lamah: you edit /etc/hosts |
| 17:59.50 | nkuttler | lamah: of course not. the file is read somewhen during boot |
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| 17:59.54 | daemonkeeper | SuperMiguel: Yes |
| 17:59.54 | lamah | stew: yes |
| 17:59.55 | stew | lamah: or you have your fqdn in hostname, but some things aren't expecting that |
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| 18:00.28 | lamah | nkuttler: the way is only to edit /etc/hostname . ? |
| 18:00.35 | blubberdiblub | lamah: i always install sysctl and then set it in the file /etc/sysctl.d/whatever using "kernel.domainname = whatever" |
| 18:00.41 | stew | lamah: no |
| 18:01.57 | blubberdiblub | lamah: or in /etc/sysctl.conf, if you have an older release that doesn't scan /etc/sysctl.d/* |
| 18:02.31 | lamah | sysctl yes :) |
| 18:02.35 | lamah | blubberdiblub: thanks |
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| 18:02.50 | blubberdiblub | lamah: no problem |
| 18:03.26 | stew | lamah: why do you need to set this? |
| 18:03.39 | stew | lamah: where are you seeing the domainname that makes you want to change it? |
| 18:04.38 | blubberdiblub | stew: "hostname --fqdn" reports it for instance |
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| 18:04.54 | stew | i know this... |
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| 18:05.32 | stew | blubberdiblub: and if "hostname --fqdn" is reporting the wrong thing, /proc/sys/kernel/domainname is probably not the way to fix it |
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| 18:14.01 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:14.04 | Python | Debian, Linux FTWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 18:14.05 | Python | :) |
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| 18:16.05 | gregthebear | Debian Linux - FTW! hi everyone from Russia :) |
| 18:17.12 | daemonkeeper | ... and Debian kfreebsd? |
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| 18:28.47 | Tigerboy | devil: uninstalled everything-- all xuls and flash and iceweasel and icedove then reinstalled just flash-nonfree and iceweasel and in youtube it says "click here to download plugin." |
| 18:29.39 | devil | Tigerboy: what does idedove have to do with it? what i meant was, remove all flash-related stuff. |
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| 18:29.52 | devil | Tigerboy: what does about:plugins say? |
| 18:30.02 | kie27 | hiya, when I try running hugin on wheezy i get an immediate seg fault and the following error in /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/KE72z5q4, any suggestions? |
| 18:30.05 | Tigerboy | devil: icedove and iceweasel share files |
| 18:30.27 | devil | Tigerboy: there was no need to reinstall iceweasel either |
| 18:30.57 | Tigerboy | devil flash is now under xine plugin |
| 18:31.14 | devil | Tigerboy: although it would have masde sense to start it with a fresh profile |
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| 18:32.01 | Tigerboy | devil: I installed flash-nonfree and there is no entry for it in iceweasel... |
| 18:32.21 | Tigerboy | Devil: i have been working on this for hours trying everything |
| 18:32.37 | devil | Tigerboy: dpkg -l | grep flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:32.54 | devil | Tigerboy: i dont get it, its a 2-minute thing |
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| 18:33.26 | devil | Tigerboy: my guess is, you have some other flash-related plugin that blocks flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:33.41 | Tigerboy | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
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| 18:34.06 | devil | Tigerboy: should work⢠|
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| 18:34.35 | Tigerboy | devil: oh ok that's good to know |
| 18:34.36 | Tigerboy | :) |
| 18:35.03 | Tigerboy | devil: and xine shouldn't interfere with it |
| 18:35.04 | devil | Tigerboy: is the .so file in .mozilla/plugins? |
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| 18:35.43 | Tigerboy | /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 18:35.58 | devil | Tigerboy: dpkg -l | grep iceweasel |
| 18:36.30 | Tigerboy | Tigerboy: command not found |
| 18:36.51 | Tigerboy | dpkg -l | grep iceweasel |
| 18:36.51 | Tigerboy | ii iceweasel 3.5.16-8 Web browser based on Firefox |
| 18:36.51 | Tigerboy | rc xul-ext-downthemall 2.0.7-1 iceweasel extension with advanced download capabilities |
| 18:36.51 | Tigerboy | rc xul-ext-linky 3.0.0-2 iceweasel extension to handle web and image links |
| 18:36.51 | devil | Tigerboy: as root |
| 18:36.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep iceweasel |
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| 18:38.33 | Tigerboy | lol i think i was blocked |
| 18:38.34 | SuperMiguel | what fs should i use for /boot? ext2? |
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| 18:38.50 | devil | Tigerboy: you were kicked for spamming. |
| 18:39.09 | Tigerboy | Drink Coke |
| 18:39.22 | devil | pastebin dpkg -l | grep iceweasel |
| 18:39.26 | Tigerboy | could this be it devil: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 18:39.46 | devil | Tigerboy: do you also have firefox installed? |
| 18:39.56 | Tigerboy | devil: no and never have |
| 18:40.18 | devil | Tigerboy: do you have .mozilla/plugins in /home (its hidden) |
| 18:40.20 | Tigerboy | devil: I just found that folder-- the so files are all in the firefox/plugins |
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| 18:40.33 | Tigerboy | er good question |
| 18:40.57 | Tigerboy | devil: no |
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| 18:41.31 | Tigerboy | devil: there must be a wrong plugins folder established |
| 18:41.42 | Tigerboy | I'm going to try and copy the plugins over |
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| 18:43.03 | devil | Tigerboy: is there a .mozilla folder? |
| 18:43.16 | Tigerboy | ls .mozilla |
| 18:43.18 | daemonkeeper | SuperMiguel: You probably don't want to have a /boot after all, unless you have a good reason to do. |
| 18:43.22 | Tigerboy | lol |
| 18:43.29 | auska | hi! I have problems with lilo so i wanted to remove it and install grub can someone help me? |
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| 18:44.06 | wols_ | auska: you need to be more specific |
| 18:44.11 | Tigerboy | yes and in .mozilla is extensions and firefox |
| 18:44.17 | SuperMiguel | sucks that debian doesnt detect my Intel 82567 network card :( |
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| 18:44.33 | Python | Debian FTW |
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| 18:45.06 | wols_ | SuperMiguel: I have a lenovo T400 with this ethernet card. works just fine |
| 18:45.07 | devil | Tigerboy: create plugins dir and copy libflashplayer.so there. then chown it for your user |
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| 18:45.22 | wols_ | Python: can you please stop this crap? thank you |
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| 18:45.36 | auska | wols_: ok sorry... i'm thinking to do: apt-get purge lilo; apt-get install grub; update-grub |
| 18:45.41 | SuperMiguel | wols_, did it detect the card on the setup? |
| 18:46.01 | auska | will these work to do it and autodetect the other partitions that i have? |
| 18:46.11 | wols_ | SuperMiguel: not sure. but it did right afterwards, so it should since the kernel is the same both times |
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| 18:46.53 | Tigerboy | devil: that is just for the profiles/bookmarks |
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| 18:47.00 | wols_ | SuperMiguel: why do you need it at install time? |
| 18:47.02 | devil | that? |
| 18:47.27 | wols_ | auska: I don't think you need to remove lilo, and yes it will detect them |
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| 18:48.11 | Tigerboy | ./mozilla et al is just for bookmarks and prefs |
| 18:48.12 | devil | Tigerboy: .mozilla/plugins is just what it says. its for sure not for profiles |
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| 18:48.21 | auska | wols_: i don't like the way how lilo works... |
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| 18:48.31 | Tigerboy | you have a .mozilla/plugins? |
| 18:48.34 | devil | Tigerboy: consider this: my .so lives in /plugins and my flash works. |
| 18:48.56 | wols_ | auska: then why did you use it? debian has used grub for years now. long time since lilo was any way a default |
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| 18:49.33 | blubberdiblub | devil, Tigerboy, my ~/.mozilla/plugins/ is empty and my flash works as well |
| 18:49.33 | wols_ | devil: isn't there a system wide directory for plugins? |
| 18:49.59 | auska | wols_: i wanted to try it when i install debian since i have never tryed lilo... |
| 18:50.05 | devil | wols_: there is in /usr/lib, but something seems to be blocking for Tigerboy |
| 18:50.32 | wols_ | !tell auska about fixmbr |
| 18:50.50 | wols_ | tho you don't need to boot from CD I guess since your system is still bootable |
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| 18:51.07 | wols_ | so simply installing grub should be all you need to do |
| 18:51.30 | mark76 | Is it possible to get LightDM for Squeeze? |
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| 18:52.28 | wols_ | !tell mark76 about search |
| 18:52.30 | Tigerboy | I think the plugs are supposed to be in /usr/lib/mozillia-firefox/plugins |
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| 18:53.21 | devil | Tigerboy: i dont have it there |
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| 18:53.59 | mark76 | So when will LightDM be available for Debian? |
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| 18:54.21 | mark76 | I hate having to use the GNOME Desktop Manager with my Xfce |
| 18:54.48 | Tigerboy | there is also a /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
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| 18:55.16 | stew | mark76: check bug #615591 |
| 18:55.16 | Tigerboy | devil: i think it might be a bit insecure to have plugins as user? |
| 18:55.27 | Python | what desktop environment do you use? |
| 18:55.30 | devil | Tigerboy: why would it? |
| 18:55.39 | Tigerboy | i am having a prob launching |
| 18:55.48 | Tigerboy | launching nautilus so I might need to reboot |
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| 18:56.09 | Tigerboy | devil: because plugins give powers |
| 18:56.53 | wols_ | Tigerboy: not more than running a binary from your home directory |
| 18:57.23 | Tigerboy | yes any form of running a binary without root would be |
| 18:57.38 | Tigerboy | except things that just say "hello world" |
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| 18:58.41 | wols_ | Tigerboy: better remove all the script interpreters coming with your system then. start with bash and perl... |
| 18:59.03 | blubberdiblub | hehe :) |
| 18:59.04 | Tigerboy | all are as root |
| 18:59.30 | wols_ | Tigerboy: you make no sense |
| 18:59.41 | Tigerboy | all are run as root |
| 18:59.45 | Tigerboy | you make no sense |
| 18:59.46 | mark76 | All your root belong to us? |
| 19:00.03 | Tigerboy | if you let things run as user the entry point is much easier |
| 19:00.16 | Tigerboy | no your root are mine |
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| 19:00.31 | Tigerboy | it's all about love and sharing |
| 19:00.34 | wols_ | what are run as root? |
| 19:00.41 | Tigerboy | everything |
| 19:00.49 | devil | Tigerboy: do you want to troll of get crappy flash running? |
| 19:00.50 | Tigerboy | the user folder is for prefs |
| 19:01.00 | Tigerboy | i'm not trolling |
| 19:01.11 | devil | not far from it |
| 19:01.14 | Tigerboy | is said the plugins must be owned by root |
| 19:01.25 | devil | said b< whom? |
| 19:01.27 | Tigerboy | and must be in one of the root-system plugin folders |
| 19:01.38 | wols_ | Tigerboy: and I thought it was for the user's data. like letters, images, movies and *drumroll* text files you can execute via script interpreters! |
| 19:01.47 | Tigerboy | yes that too wols |
| 19:01.54 | Tigerboy | but not running binaries owned by user |
| 19:02.19 | Tigerboy | http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 19:02.24 | wols_ | Tigerboy: you haven't really thought this through have you? what is the difference between thos maligned binaries owned by a user and a perl script? |
| 19:02.38 | Tigerboy | plugins are a separate forlder for iceweasel and they are root-owned |
| 19:02.59 | Tigerboy | the perl-script is owned by root |
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| 19:03.09 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: the fact that they're owned by root doesn't mean they run with root privilidges |
| 19:03.13 | Tigerboy | I'm not arguing with you anymore |
| 19:03.13 | wols_ | Tigerboy: which ones? the ones in my home directory? think again |
| 19:03.39 | Tigerboy | anything owned by root is only limited by what it is set to do |
| 19:03.48 | Tigerboy | of course it has potential to have root prevs |
| 19:03.49 | wols_ | Tigerboy: you are wrong |
| 19:03.49 | devil | Tigerboy: your link says: If installing plugins without root permissions, use ~/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 19:04.01 | Tigerboy | good |
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| 19:04.11 | Tigerboy | that's not the proper way to do it is all I"M saying |
| 19:04.16 | Tigerboy | no you are wrong |
| 19:04.17 | twobitsprite | Tigerboy: incorrect.... they are run with the privilidges of the user running it, not the user who owns the file |
| 19:05.02 | kie27 | hiya, when I try running hugin on wheezy i get an immediate seg fault and the following error in /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/KE72z5q4, any suggestions? |
| 19:05.21 | Tigerboy | right but the question was whether it is secure to put plugins in a user owned folder as user owned objects |
| 19:05.29 | Tigerboy | stop changing the question |
| 19:05.53 | Tigerboy | it is not secure because you no longer have to get root to change the plugins |
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| 19:06.09 | Tigerboy | that is why the plugins are put in root owned by root |
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| 19:06.30 | Tigerboy | this is upsetting me so I"m bowing out |
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| 19:06.38 | devil | kie27: long standing bug: #551006 |
| 19:07.42 | devil | ,version hugin |
| 19:07.53 | wols_ | hands devil an "s" |
| 19:07.59 | devil | yep, thxx |
| 19:08.04 | wols_ | ;) |
| 19:08.12 | devil | ,versions hugin |
| 19:08.13 | judd | Package hugin on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.0~svn3191+beta5-2; lenny-backports: 2010.0.0+dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2010.0.0+dfsg-3+b1; squeeze-backports: 2011.0.0+dfsg-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2011.0.0+dfsg-1; sid: 2011.0.0+dfsg-2; experimental: 2011.2.0+dfsg~beta1-1 |
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| 19:08.53 | devil | kie27: what version do you use? |
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| 19:09.08 | wols_ | < kie27> hiya, when I try running hugin on wheezy |
| 19:09.49 | kie27 | devil: thanks, just checking the version number... |
| 19:10.17 | kie27 | 2011.0.0+dfsg-1 |
| 19:10.21 | devil | wols_: i just want to make sure, because the bug is against older versions of 2009 |
| 19:10.47 | devil | but its the exact same bug that bites kie27 |
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| 19:11.12 | devil | kie27: as i dont know hugin at all, i cant be of any more help |
| 19:12.04 | Python | is gnome 3 stable |
| 19:12.10 | kie27 | hugin is just used for stitching photos together to make a larger combined photo such as a panorama. |
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| 19:12.47 | huggy-bear | Oi! |
| 19:13.59 | kie27 | devil: thanks, hope someone can look at this bug anyway, hugin is really useful/essential for some of the things i do and there is no real alternative that i know of. |
| 19:14.50 | kie27 | devil: should i add anything to the bug report? |
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| 19:16.03 | devil | kie27: did you read the part about fglrx? |
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| 19:16.10 | g00se | Sod's Law: i've never needed the ram test on an install disk until now - and now i can't find one. Are they pre-Lenny or what? |
| 19:16.43 | Python | is gnome 3 stable? |
| 19:16.50 | twobitsprite | !gnome 3 |
| 19:16.50 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
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| 19:17.17 | devil | Python: could you please stop. thanks |
| 19:18.14 | huggy-bear | g00se: apt-cache search memtest |
| 19:18.31 | kie27 | devil: ah, just installed that, it fixes the problem for me too! |
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| 19:18.40 | rubin110 | Why isn't emerald in the Debian repos anywhere? |
| 19:18.41 | devil | kie27: :) |
| 19:18.43 | kie27 | devil: awesome, problem solved thanks. |
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| 19:19.29 | g00se | huggy-bear: The only thing is it's a Windows box |
| 19:19.55 | huggy-bear | rubin110: it was too unstable. However, some guy made a PPA of sort for emerald and latest compiz. The emerald from there usually worked, but be cautious! Also, DON'T upgrade your compiz from there! Sorry, but I don't remember where I found it, but Google will help. |
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| 19:20.12 | hje841 | Hello. I've been dumped in to a webserver to set it up for mono (don't ask...) but upon /etc/init.d/apache2 restart I get the following: |
| 19:20.14 | hje841 | http://pastebin.com/nMChPnuq |
| 19:20.25 | huggy-bear | g00se: Best is to take a live CD that ships with it then. Just google memtest and live cd |
| 19:20.37 | hje841 | any ideas? |
| 19:20.49 | hje841 | apache2 webserver |
| 19:20.59 | stew | rubin110: i don't see any history of such a pacakge. i don't know what emerald is, but if you are talking about something compiz/cairo related, perhaps you want the cairo-dock-compiz-icon-plugin package |
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| 19:21.31 | huggy-bear | stew: nope. emerald is a window manager that uses compiz and has little to do with that package |
| 19:21.34 | rubin110 | stew: It's a windows decorator thing. |
| 19:21.58 | stew | so it has something to do with compiz, but not in the compiz pacakge which says it provides emerald? |
| 19:22.01 | stew | name conflict? |
| 19:22.18 | sacredchao | My SSH client is timing out for some reason... on multiple different servers |
| 19:22.38 | sacredchao | Is there a way to have it send something to keep the connection alive? |
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| 19:23.01 | nkuttler | sacredchao: sounds like your network connection is wonky |
| 19:23.17 | nkuttler | maybe ssh has some reconnect option, tried the man page? |
| 19:23.25 | alexim | sacredchao: TCPKeepAlive |
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| 19:23.44 | sacredchao | alexim: Thanks! |
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| 19:24.40 | folivora | Anyone here using Arecas Raid-Controllers ? |
| 19:24.43 | hje841 | anyone know something about Apache 2 webserver ? |
| 19:24.48 | stew | hje841: you'll probably have to ask a more specific question. that paste seems pretty well explanitory |
| 19:25.15 | stew | hje841: you have a NamedVirtualHost defined, but no VirtualHosts that are configured to use it |
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| 19:27.32 | hje841 | stew: I have a different site named 10-www.studenterradioen.dk which looks like this http://pastebin.com/3ucsLn0S |
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| 19:27.41 | hje841 | and the main site works fine |
| 19:28.07 | stew | hje841: show us the output of "source /etc/apache2/envvars ; /usr/sbin/apache2 -S" |
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| 19:28.50 | huggy-bear | rubin110: Seems like you'll have to compile Emerald yourself. Here is a guide: http://web.cs.dal.ca/~darndt/other/install-emerald-debian-squeeze/ |
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| 19:29.26 | hje841 | stew: here you go http://pastebin.com/f24NuM2T |
| 19:29.43 | stew | !dbugs 522935 |
| 19:29.47 | dpkg | #522935:W[wnpp] ITP: emerald -- Window Decorator shipped with Compiz Fusion. (); Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:24:02 UTC [] |
| 19:29.57 | zykotick9 | !emerald > rubin110 |
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| 19:30.46 | Python | How to get GNOME 3 for Debian Squeeze |
| 19:31.14 | stew | Python: that would be a monumental task |
| 19:31.40 | zykotick9 | rubin110, sorry wrong channel, emerald is no longer supported upstream I believe - kinda a dead project i believe |
| 19:31.56 | Python | stew: ? weird ? |
| 19:32.08 | jhutchins_lt2 | !gnome3 |
| 19:32.08 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 19:32.22 | stew | it doesn't appear to ever have been part of debian, but #522935 is someone claiming that they intend to put it into debian sometime in the future |
| 19:32.23 | Python | !install gnome |
| 19:32.23 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 19:32.41 | huggy-bear | Python: Forget it! Way too much work. This distro seems nice for testing Gnome 3: https://kororaa.org/2011/07/kororaa-15-squirt-beta-released/ |
| 19:32.41 | Python | !install gnome3 |
| 19:32.53 | stew | Python: why is that weird? debian's gnome team hasn't even gotten it all into debian yet |
| 19:32.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | Python: What part of NOT YET COMPLETE did you miss? |
| 19:33.10 | jhutchins_lt2 | Python: See the reference in the Gnome 3 factoid. |
| 19:33.17 | thinkster | How do you zip files |
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| 19:33.37 | stew | thinkster: zip zipfile list_of_files_to_add |
| 19:33.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: man zip |
| 19:33.50 | huggy-bear | Python: Also, this guide doesn't seem bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 19:34.01 | thinkster | jhutchins, you did it before, I don't think I have it installed even |
| 19:34.05 | stew | huggy-bear: don't |
| 19:34.19 | thinkster | I can unzip |
| 19:34.21 | huggy-bear | :D |
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| 19:34.49 | stew | Python: you can ignore huggy-bear, he's not trying to be helpful |
| 19:35.15 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: Right, some apps like bzip (I think) can un-zip, and there's usually a general-purpose unzip installed that will handle more than one protocol. |
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| 19:35.39 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: Obviously, installing the protocol would be the first step, after which the manpage is pretty straightforward. |
| 19:35.45 | thinkster | I guess rzip. Do you have anything when you man zip on your system? |
| 19:35.51 | huggy-bear | Just doing a little rick rolling. ;) But that distro, Kororaa, it was an honest piece of advice |
| 19:36.04 | huggy-bear | really good for testing Gnome 3 on a live environment |
| 19:36.17 | huggy-bear | and much easier than getting it to work on Squeeze |
| 19:36.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: Yep. |
| 19:36.42 | hje841 | stew: any ideas? |
| 19:36.42 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: But I'm pretty sure it's manually installed. |
| 19:36.53 | thinkster | jhutchins_lt2, yeah, I am installing now. THanks |
| 19:37.20 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: aptitude search zip will show you a LOT of alternatives. |
| 19:37.32 | stew | hje841: what is the first line of 10-www.studenterradioen.dk ? |
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| 19:37.44 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: I tend to use tar and gzip because I seldom work outside of linux. |
| 19:37.54 | hje841 | stew: <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 19:38.11 | thinkster | jhutchins_lt2, boy tab complete is tough for your nick. |
| 19:38.35 | thinkster | How do you zip a bunch of directories and include their contents zip -c or zip -r? |
| 19:38.38 | jhutchins_lt2 | thinkster: Yeah, but it's ok, I can hear the jhutchins alerts from here ;) |
| 19:39.07 | jhutchins_lt | ... that's a little better |
| 19:39.07 | g00se | huggy-bear: Thanks. I'm going to try memtest |
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| 19:39.16 | stew | hje841: no, that's confusing, it seems contradictory |
| 19:39.27 | Python | ugh |
| 19:39.41 | Python | Squeeze is kinda out of date o_O |
| 19:39.50 | stew | Python: how so? |
| 19:40.02 | thinkster | jhutchins, did you ever zip a bunch of dirs with stuff in them? |
| 19:40.07 | Python | too many outdated packages |
| 19:40.38 | thinkster | jhutchins, oh, -r does recursive |
| 19:40.39 | stew | Python: realize that squeeze was frozen almost a year ago, and that the packages should, in general, not get new versions from now on |
| 19:40.41 | twobitsprite | Python: any particular package you're looking for a newer version of? |
| 19:40.45 | hje841 | stew: it follows suit of the example on httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html |
| 19:40.57 | huggy-bear | Yeah, and nothing really segfaults in Squeeze! What gives with that? ;D |
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| 19:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | thinkster: I worked with Phil Katz on the development of the zip protocol which became pkzip. |
| 19:41.11 | stew | !wb damog |
| 19:41.11 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! damog has returned! |
| 19:41.28 | jhutchins_lt | thinkster: But yes. |
| 19:41.28 | thinkster | jhutchins, cool, sounds like you got skills and connections |
| 19:41.59 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: any relation to Dr Katz? |
| 19:41.59 | jhutchins_lt | has been around since paper tape and toggle switches. |
| 19:42.05 | Python | twobitsprite: wine |
| 19:42.08 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Not that I know of. |
| 19:42.22 | hje841 | stew: can I safely manually remove the 00-default? |
| 19:42.26 | thinkster | jhutchins, you think ppl on windows can unzip files I zipped using zip on linux? Should be eh? |
| 19:42.31 | twobitsprite | Python: wine runs a debian repository which has newer versions, but it's unofficial and not supported in here afaik |
| 19:42.32 | stew | hje841: if you aren't using it, yes |
| 19:42.36 | twobitsprite | Python: you're welcome to use it though |
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| 19:42.59 | jhutchins_lt | thinkster: Yes, that's the main reason the linux zip programs exist. |
| 19:43.04 | Python | twobitsprite: newest wine version only for sid :| |
| 19:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | thinkster: Many of the Windows utilities can handle tar and gzip as well. |
| 19:43.20 | thinkster | jhutchins, yeah, otherwise, we just use tar |
| 19:43.23 | twobitsprite | Python: like I said, if you need newer wine use the repos provided by winehq |
| 19:43.38 | Python | twobitsprite: they only have wine for sid |
| 19:44.07 | twobitsprite | Python: well, take that up with #winehq |
| 19:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | thinkster: Then there's rar which seems to be mostly used these days for posting pr0n videos on usenet. |
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| 19:44.42 | Python | twobitsprite: already asked |
| 19:44.46 | Python | no answers |
| 19:44.48 | Python | :| |
| 19:44.52 | thinkster | jhutchins, usenet, that's that best place for that? |
| 19:45.12 | twobitsprite | Python: maybe if you give them more than 2 minutes... |
| 19:45.19 | hje841 | stew: okay, now I only get one 'NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts line |
| 19:45.27 | thinkster | you think I could send 75mb zip file to someone over email from my gmail to his cogeco account, Probablty not. is there another way? |
| 19:45.33 | Python | twobitsprite: I gave them the whole day lawl |
| 19:45.40 | Python | I may switch to Arch |
| 19:45.43 | twobitsprite | Python: *shrug* |
| 19:45.57 | twobitsprite | Python: go for it, it's a decent system |
| 19:46.05 | thinkster | Maybe I can create a file download link on my webserver |
| 19:46.17 | twobitsprite | Python: not for the faint of heart though |
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| 19:51.13 | smhar | greetings |
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| 19:52.02 | smhar | I am connecting a Nokia phone by usb and it is mounted on the desktop, but I can not see the folder in /media or /mnt |
| 19:52.44 | stew | smhar: do you see it listed in "mount"? |
| 19:52.52 | klemax | apt-get reinstall iptables > E: Invalid operation reinstall |
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| 19:52.56 | klemax | How to fix that? |
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| 19:53.08 | stew | klemax: either apt-get install --reinstall or aptitude reinstall |
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| 19:55.02 | smhar | stew, no |
| 19:55.46 | smhar | stew, mount: http://paste.debian.net/123279/ |
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| 19:55.56 | stew | smhar: then I don't believe it is a moutned filesystem, perhaps something that your desktop software is doing for you |
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| 19:56.51 | smhar | stew, I can not copy files to it too |
| 19:56.56 | klemax | stew: ok done but it doesnt start... /etc/init.d/iptables restart -bash: /etc/init.d/iptables: No such file or directory |
| 19:57.08 | klemax | service iptables restart > iptables: unrecognized service |
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| 19:59.42 | smhar | stew, you are right, it was some photo program conduit. I changed to mass storage and it is working.. thank you |
| 19:59.44 | stew | klemax: there isn't a service, this is intentional. if you have a script you want to use to setup rules, you can run this from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces. if you want to save a set of rules there is "iptables-save" which produces output which would be ingested by iptables-restore |
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| 20:00.52 | klemax | stew: before I was running it with a service. :S |
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| 20:01.21 | stew | klemax: feel free. it can often be troublesome to find a correct time to run such a script |
| 20:01.31 | ssssss | selam |
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| 20:02.37 | przemek_ | hi there |
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| 20:13.10 | gnarface | ok so what's an easy way to allow someone to spectate (read only viewing) an emacs session over ssh? |
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| 20:16.08 | Digdilem | gnarface, /might/ be a way to run it in screen and set one of the screen clients as ro |
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| 20:17.48 | stew | gnarface: yes, you can look at the acl related commands in "man screen". it requires making your screen suid however |
| 20:19.15 | faoiseamh | hey, i'm trying to install php5 but aptitude keeps complaining about broken packages - http://paste.debian.net/123281/ |
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| 20:20.13 | devil | faoiseamh: aptitude -f install? |
| 20:20.26 | faoiseamh | same result w/o -f |
| 20:20.37 | faoiseamh | -f is to "aggresively try to fix broken packages" |
| 20:20.48 | twobitsprite | faoiseamh: updated recently? |
| 20:20.52 | faoiseamh | yep |
| 20:20.57 | stew | faoiseamh: when it says "accept this solution" try saying "N" to get another solution |
| 20:20.58 | faoiseamh | i've tried w/ various apt/sources.list |
| 20:21.07 | faoiseamh | stew: doesn't give any other soltuions |
| 20:21.24 | faoiseamh | using php53.dotdeb.org sources + normal debian ones |
| 20:21.24 | twobitsprite | faoiseamh: try adding one/some/all of the "broken" package names to the install command line |
| 20:21.27 | stew | faoiseamh: oh if libonig2 (>= 5.2.0) which is a virtual package, then you probably don't have a main mirror |
| 20:21.29 | daemonkeeper | Ah |
| 20:21.32 | daemonkeeper | We got the culprit. |
| 20:21.35 | stew | oh |
| 20:21.36 | faoiseamh | they arein the install command line |
| 20:21.37 | daemonkeeper | dotdeb is evil. |
| 20:21.47 | daemonkeeper | (and not supported here) |
| 20:21.53 | twobitsprite | faoiseamh: pastebin your current sources.list? |
| 20:21.57 | twobitsprite | can you* |
| 20:21.59 | faoiseamh | ok, where can i go about getting php53 then daemonkeeper? |
| 20:22.04 | devil | faoiseamh: can you pastebin your sources.list please |
| 20:22.07 | faoiseamh | sure sec |
| 20:22.09 | wols_ | ,versions php5 |
| 20:22.11 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-13; wheezy: 5.3.6-13 |
| 20:22.20 | daemonkeeper | Well, in squeeze? |
| 20:22.30 | daemonkeeper | As wols_ showed you. |
| 20:22.31 | stew | faoiseamh: what version of debian are you running? the current debian stable has php 5.3 |
| 20:22.47 | faoiseamh | http://paste.debian.net/123282/ - /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:22.55 | faoiseamh | tried w/ all but the dotdeb's commented out too |
| 20:23.05 | daemonkeeper | Problem with dotdeb is: their packages are poor and they don't care (much) about upgrade paths or security. |
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| 20:23.21 | stew | judd: versions libonig2 |
| 20:23.22 | judd | Package libonig2 on i386 -- lenny: 5.9.1-1; sid: 5.9.1-1; squeeze: 5.9.1-1; wheezy: 5.9.1-1 |
| 20:23.29 | faoiseamh | ok, so i have to upgrade to squeeze before i can install php5.3 from the debian sources? |
| 20:23.31 | wols_ | !tell faoiseamh about lenny->squeeze |
| 20:23.34 | stew | so that is NOT a virtual package on lenny, something else is wrong |
| 20:23.40 | stew | faoiseamh: yes |
| 20:23.57 | faoiseamh | ok i'll do that, thanks guys |
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| 20:24.04 | damog | fluffles stew |
| 20:24.07 | faoiseamh | just recently upgraded this really old server from etch to lenny |
| 20:24.29 | stew | :) |
| 20:24.36 | daemonkeeper | So do again |
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| 20:26.25 | twobitsprite | wonders if it would be possible to develop an "upgrade" system for apt such that it downloads a script or something that implements the kind of stuff that's in /msg dpkg oldstable->stable |
| 20:26.29 | stew | i do certainly agree that squeeze is the best way to get 5.3 on debian, but something else is also wrong with the picture we've been given so far |
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| 20:26.49 | stew | since what he was trying to do should have worked |
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| 20:27.01 | daemonkeeper | Well, ask for apt-cache policy libonig2 |
| 20:27.06 | wols_ | stew: maybe libonig2 in the dotdeb repos? |
| 20:27.14 | stew | wols_: not according to judd |
| 20:27.41 | stew | and if it was, then the versioned depends on a virtual package would make that repo useless |
| 20:27.56 | stew | err |
| 20:27.58 | stew | something like that |
| 20:27.59 | daemonkeeper | This repository /is/ useless (fsvo) |
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| 20:28.36 | naddy_ | iptables v1.4.2: Couldn't load match `socket':/lib/xtables/libipt_socket.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:28.40 | naddy_ | where do I find that module? |
| 20:28.43 | naddy_ | or lib |
| 20:28.47 | smhar | can I use user-mode-linux to 'boot' another distro from Debian? |
| 20:29.16 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:29.26 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: trying to setup stunnel |
| 20:29.29 | stew | judd: files libipt_socket.so |
| 20:29.36 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: precisely: iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m socket -j DIVERT |
| 20:29.45 | stew | judd: file libipt_socket.so |
| 20:29.46 | twobitsprite | naddy_: where did you get your iptables? my system doesn't have that file and iptables works fine |
| 20:29.49 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 20:30.06 | stew | twobitsprite: but does iptables work fine with -m socket? |
| 20:30.20 | naddy_ | twobitsprite: from aptitude |
| 20:30.31 | naddy_ | it works on my local Ubuntu installation too, without having that file |
| 20:31.00 | twobitsprite | are you running ubuntu on the system this isn't working on? |
| 20:31.06 | naddy_ | no |
| 20:31.13 | naddy_ | I run Debian 6.0 |
| 20:31.14 | wols_ | ,versions iptables |
| 20:31.14 | judd | Package iptables on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.2-6; squeeze: 1.4.8-3; sid: 1.4.11.1-3; wheezy: 1.4.11.1-3 |
| 20:31.15 | twobitsprite | stew: "iptables -A INPUT -m socket" works |
| 20:31.21 | stew | actually the -m socket works for me too |
| 20:31.22 | wols_ | naddy_: I doubt that |
| 20:31.33 | naddy_ | oh actually I don't |
| 20:31.50 | naddy_ | I run Debian 5.0.8 |
| 20:31.52 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: Do you run your own kernel? If yes, do you have NETFILTER_TPROXY? |
| 20:31.59 | naddy_ | I don't run my own kernel, no |
| 20:32.17 | daemonkeeper | Well, but Lenny which is essentially the same in this case ;) |
| 20:32.34 | naddy_ | aww now I see it |
| 20:32.38 | naddy_ | "Remote mode (connect option) on Linux >=2.6.28" |
| 20:32.41 | naddy_ | I run 2.6.26 |
| 20:32.43 | daemonkeeper | iirc the socket stuff was merged in 2008 or so. |
| 20:32.44 | daemonkeeper | Yep |
| 20:32.55 | naddy_ | can I merge it manyally without rebooting? |
| 20:32.58 | naddy_ | manually* |
| 20:33.04 | daemonkeeper | Well, there is a backport I think |
| 20:33.09 | daemonkeeper | judd: kernels |
| 20:33.09 | twobitsprite | ,kernels |
| 20:33.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 20:33.09 | swilson06 | my command line parameter doesn't seem to be working when i do this: start-stop-daemon --start -c nobody --pidfile /var/run/openkm.pid --chdir /opt/jboss-4.2.3.GA --background --make-pidfile --exec /opt/jboss-4.2.3.GA/bin/run.sh -b 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:33.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 20:33.15 | daemonkeeper | was faster! |
| 20:33.15 | twobitsprite | doh |
| 20:33.29 | twobitsprite | mine shows me first... we'll need a third party abritrator :P |
| 20:33.31 | wols_ | naddy_: you can't use a newer kernel without rebooting |
| 20:33.37 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: You see, use the he lenny backports kernel. |
| 20:33.45 | swilson06 | but, if i just do /opt/jboss-4.2.3.GA/bin/run.sh -b 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:33.49 | naddy_ | the thing is, I can't reboot it |
| 20:33.50 | swilson06 | it runs fine |
| 20:33.51 | twobitsprite | wols_: kpatch! :P |
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| 20:33.56 | smhar | can I use user-mode-linux to 'boot' another distro from Debian? including the kernel |
| 20:33.56 | daemonkeeper | You /need/ to reboot. |
| 20:33.58 | naddy_ | so I wonder if I can synlink some file or so |
| 20:34.12 | daemonkeeper | Or, well, if you can't you have to live without your stuff. |
| 20:34.19 | naddy_ | ok, thanks |
| 20:34.23 | swilson06 | it is using port 8080 so running as nobody shouldn't be an issue, right? |
| 20:34.25 | smhar | daemonkeeper, showed first on my screen |
| 20:34.28 | wols_ | smhar: what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 20:35.07 | daemonkeeper | smhar: I guess this depends on the network we are all connected. Anyway ... |
| 20:35.08 | stew | smhar: add -- before -b 0.0.0.0 |
| 20:35.11 | stew | swilson06: ^^^ |
| 20:35.23 | stew | smhar: ignore me, sorry |
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| 20:35.36 | smhar | wols_, I am testing gentoo. I installed it from Desbian in a chroot, I do not want to reboot to test the kernel and everything else, so I thought if I can 'boot' it from Debian, like in a vm, just for testing |
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| 20:35.43 | swilson06 | so /blah/run.sh -- -b 0.0.0.0 ?? |
| 20:36.10 | swilson06 | stew: ^^ ? |
| 20:36.11 | wols_ | smhar: UML needs a special UML kernel to work. you can use a VM tho |
| 20:36.14 | cmyers | how do you make changes to /etc/security/limits.conf take effect? other than rebooting? |
| 20:36.15 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: did you read http://stunnel.org/static/stunnel.html too? |
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| 20:36.29 | twobitsprite | swilson06: he means, "read the line above because I accidentaly typed the wrong persons name" |
| 20:36.35 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: no why? Should I? |
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| 20:36.43 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: if you had time, I'd love if you did it |
| 20:36.46 | wols_ | smhar: but it wouldn't really testing anything since the "hardware" in a VM is totally different from a real machine, and the sasme would apply to UML |
| 20:36.53 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: especially under the heading "Local mode (exec option)" |
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| 20:37.17 | naddy_ | I guess that's the only way I can make stunnel use the original source as source, but I don't exactly know how to do it |
| 20:37.17 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: Sounds crazy, but well, if it works ... |
| 20:37.21 | stew | swilson06: yes, otherwise start-stop-daemon tries to use the -b 0.0.0.0 arguments itself |
| 20:37.53 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: Basically, the manual says you should do LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libstunnel.so yourbinary --arguments |
| 20:38.05 | naddy_ | oh |
| 20:38.06 | mighty_shiva | annyone have a problem with a nvidia drivers after upgrading a xserver ! |
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| 20:38.10 | naddy_ | sounds too easy, but thanks daemonkeeper |
| 20:38.14 | naddy_ | I'll give it a try |
| 20:38.17 | swilson06 | stew: oh, right duh :) |
| 20:38.19 | swilson06 | thanks |
| 20:38.32 | wols_ | mighty_shiva: testing? or unstable? |
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| 20:39.18 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: Alternatively the "2.2 connect option" should work for you as well. |
| 20:39.52 | babilen_ | mighty_shiva: We were just helping you in #debian-next on oftc -- Why did you leave and ask here? |
| 20:39.59 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: but that would require a reboot, correct? |
| 20:40.04 | daemonkeeper | naddy_: No. |
| 20:40.20 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: do you have a bit of spare time for assisting me in that? |
| 20:40.25 | daemonkeeper | No :p |
| 20:40.30 | naddy_ | (local mode didn't work btw) |
| 20:40.30 | naddy_ | ok |
| 20:40.35 | daemonkeeper | Why? |
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| 20:40.54 | naddy_ | I don't know, let me debug |
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| 20:41.34 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: just to verify that the command I entered was correct: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/stunnel/libstunnel.so /usr/bin/stunnel4 ircs.conf |
| 20:41.41 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 20:41.47 | naddy_ | that's why then |
| 20:41.48 | naddy_ | maybe |
| 20:42.00 | daemonkeeper | You don't start stunnel with LD_PRELOAD but the binary you want to tunnel throughout your stunnel |
| 20:42.16 | naddy_ | oh |
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| 20:42.33 | naddy_ | so I have to separate them and execute them after each other? |
| 20:42.58 | daemonkeeper | Basically yes. This is the drawback of the local mode, it does not work globally. |
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| 20:43.27 | naddy_ | now I did that, but the result isn't the best: http://privatepaste.com/3308a5da8c |
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| 20:44.02 | daemonkeeper | This sounds like a configuration problem on your side. |
| 20:44.11 | tmm1 | what is the preferred way to create a user and change permissions on dirs from a postinst (and remove that user if necessary in prerm) |
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| 20:44.25 | daemonkeeper | Probably you try to bind to a local address, but with LD_PRELOAD you probably want to bind to the stunnel point to point address |
| 20:44.53 | daemonkeeper | (or 0.0.0.0 alternatively) |
| 20:45.09 | naddy_ | I've bound it to an address which I can reach from any computer with internet |
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| 20:45.46 | daemonkeeper | Well, but you want to tunnel this application, right? Given that, you try to bind on the tunnel interface with your external address. |
| 20:46.10 | naddy_ | yes |
| 20:46.19 | naddy_ | let me paste a full log |
| 20:46.49 | daemonkeeper | I don't know what exactly the PRELOAD stuff does, but I guess it redirects the socket calls to the stunnel interface. |
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| 20:47.45 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: http://privatepaste.com/f43d71f947 |
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| 20:47.59 | naddy_ | I ran it as root |
| 20:48.02 | wols_ | daemonkeeper: it loads a library, that's all. in this case it probably supercedes the normal bind() connect() etc calls |
| 20:48.56 | daemonkeeper | wols_: What I meant. So I am not surprised bind() fails, as I presume naddy_ configured it to bind to $some_ip but the library redirects it to the stunnel point-to-point interface. |
| 20:49.16 | daemonkeeper | So the correct solution would be not to bind to $some_ip but to the $tunnel_ip |
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| 20:51.53 | naddy_ | stunnel works fine without this transparent thing though |
| 20:52.06 | naddy_ | the problem is that I see the tunnel's IP as source IP |
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| 20:52.08 | daemonkeeper | transparent thing? |
| 20:52.29 | naddy_ | the option for spoofing source |
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| 20:54.04 | daemonkeeper | Well, looking to your iptables, this is exactly the magic about your setup |
| 20:54.36 | daemonkeeper | The library you are preloading does probably the same. |
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| 20:55.02 | naddy_ | daemonkeeper: would you like to have a look over ssh? |
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| 20:55.34 | daemonkeeper | As I said, no. I will help you in the channel for a while, but I won't touch your servers. |
| 20:55.41 | naddy_ | ok |
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| 20:58.45 | daemonkeeper | (After all I don't even use stunnel) |
| 20:58.55 | action09 | hi all |
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| 21:00.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there a facility to update source of debian packages that one installed with aptitude source? |
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| 21:00.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | *sources |
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| 21:01.51 | daemonkeeper | KaffeeJunky123: Like to fetch a new upstream version and build a Debian package out of it? |
| 21:03.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | daemonkeeper: I've fetched some packages from wheezy using the aptitude source method and compiled them on squeeze |
| 21:03.32 | daemonkeeper | Right, that's called a backport. |
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| 21:04.26 | berarma | KaffeeJunky123: if you want to update backported packages just repeat the operation |
| 21:05.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | berarma: okay |
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| 21:06.05 | berarma | but do an aptitude update before |
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| 21:10.19 | astropirate | After attempting to install git-daemon-run (which failed) I keep getting this error for all of my installs: "There already is an SV entry in /etc/inittab. In order to have this package add an entry with the name SV to have runit's service supervision started by sysvinit, you need to remove or rename the current SV entry first." |
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| 21:11.03 | Andy- | sorry for the nub question but, if I plug a usb hdd into a server it should appear in /mnt? |
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| 21:12.04 | topyli | Andy-: in /media probably |
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| 21:12.25 | Andy- | bah nope |
| 21:12.33 | Andy- | is it possible it's not recognised? |
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| 21:13.06 | daemonkeeper | Andy-: By server you mean "no desktop"? |
| 21:13.09 | berarma | Andy-: which OS is in the server? |
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| 21:13.28 | Andy- | deb |
| 21:13.33 | Andy- | it's a nas drive |
| 21:13.38 | Andy- | with deb on |
| 21:13.50 | Andy- | nvm crappy hdd cable :p |
| 21:13.51 | daemonkeeper | Andy-: Given that you have to mount your disk yourself. Only Gnome/KDE and so on automatically mount drives by using several techniques. |
| 21:13.53 | Andy- | wasn't even on |
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| 21:15.01 | Harzilein | hi |
| 21:15.52 | Harzilein | i tried building a netboot installer with live-helper today... and of course it did not include nonfree firmware in the initrd, so it did not get any network to continue loading the root |
| 21:16.14 | Harzilein | is there anything i can add to lh config that will add those blobs? |
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| 21:21.31 | t4nk294 | hi, does anybody here know some good HOWTO/Manual/Reference about how to use Debian testing? |
| 21:23.34 | Andy- | nope not the cable |
| 21:23.44 | Andy- | the usb port doesn't seem to be enabled/installed |
| 21:23.45 | streuner_ | t4nk294: install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges and pray :-P |
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| 21:25.04 | t4nk294 | streuner_: thanks |
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| 21:25.27 | babilen | t4nk294: Join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and read the FAQ linked in the /topic |
| 21:25.48 | streuner_ | t4nk294: keep in mind that was just fun, in reality you should know something about Linux and get some experiences... |
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| 21:26.24 | stew | t4nk294: are you familiar with running debian stable? or do you need a reference for running debian in general? |
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| 21:26.53 | t4nk294 | stew: what general reference would you recommend? |
| 21:26.57 | streuner_ | t4nk294: there is no HOWTO about testing or such, just get some experiences with stable first |
| 21:27.01 | stew | t4nk294: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 21:36.09 | twobitsprite | brain fart: how do you see which of your exports are currently mounted on by whom? |
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| 21:38.14 | bsl4 | hi all |
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| 21:38.42 | twobitsprite | I suppose I could check netstat, but I thought there was an rpc/nfs specific way of doing it |
| 21:39.24 | astropirate | After attempting to install git-daemon-run (which failed) I keep getting this error for all of my installs: "There already is an SV entry in /etc/inittab. In order to have this package add an entry with the name SV to have runit's service supervision started by sysvinit, you need to remove or rename the current SV entry first." |
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| 21:39.36 | MrCoffee | rpcinfo comes to mind but I can't find the appropriate switch for your query. |
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| 21:40.21 | wols_ | astropirate: and have you checked the file? |
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| 21:41.43 | km | any ideas why i getting this error when running ./configure on libxml2? |
| 21:42.01 | km | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:47.59 | cafaro | I want to sync my time with ntpdate, I have a server defined in /etc/ntp.conf, but when I issue ntpdate, I get "18 Jul 23:46:37 ntpdate[10867]: no servers can be used, exiting", however, when I issue ntpdate [server] it works... Is /etc/ntp.conf the right config file? |
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| 21:48.34 | karlpinc_ | !ntpdate |
| 21:48.34 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 21:48.56 | cafaro | ty :] |
| 21:49.08 | bsl4 | heh |
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| 21:54.15 | SuperMiguel | So im trying to install debian, on a software raid, i created two arrays one a raid1 and monted it on /boot and the other one as raid0 and mounted it /... When the installer finishes my computer just keeps rebooting after the bios :S... PST: i tried the same setup with ubuntu and it worked :( |
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| 21:55.47 | xingu | !ops nadia_ on-join spam. |
| 21:55.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: xingu complains about: nadia_ on-join spam. |
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| 21:56.33 | mentor | I don't see it |
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| 21:56.49 | streuner_ | hm, me too |
| 21:56.54 | mentor | Klined |
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| 21:56.59 | xingu | thanks. |
| 21:56.59 | peterS | anyone with an ircname of '%version' is probably one of those bots |
| 21:57.06 | peterS | especially when coming from 85.0.0.0/8 |
| 21:57.16 | SuperMiguel | any one? |
| 21:57.21 | karlpinc_ | SuperMiguel: Dunno. You could boot the install disk in resuce mode and re-install grub. |
| 21:57.27 | bsl4 | not me SuperMiguel |
| 21:57.27 | xingu | sorry, these days zero tolerance for horse hockey like that - it's usally something trying to eat my /dev/sda* |
| 21:57.33 | tonikasueps | Hi! I'm having a hard time trying to compile eglibc the debian way, could you please guide me towards some sort of doc? I have found I can install eglibc-source, uncompress tar.xz file and build as if it were a common tar.gz but...+ |
| 21:57.54 | karlpinc_ | SuperMiguel: Or, you installed grub on one of the disks that's not the disk used by bios to boot. |
| 21:58.18 | streuner_ | mentor: great |
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| 21:59.09 | SuperMiguel | karlpinc_, whats the command to reinstall grub? |
| 21:59.15 | karlpinc_ | SuperMiguel: It's an option in the menu that comes up when you boot in rescue mode. |
| 21:59.20 | SuperMiguel | k |
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| 22:00.06 | karlpinc_ | SuperMiguel: But the question is "what's gone wrong?". I suspect that you're not booting off the disk on which you already installed grub. You could change the boot disk in the bios to fix this, or install grub on the right disk. |
| 22:00.20 | anubisg1 | hello |
| 22:00.25 | bsl4 | hi |
| 22:00.25 | anubisg1 | doeas debian 6.0 have gtk3 in the official repos? if yes.. wich one? thanks |
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| 22:00.35 | SuperMiguel | karlpinc_, i have it booting from the right disk |
| 22:00.38 | bsl4 | google it anubisg1 |
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| 22:01.00 | karlpinc_ | !tell anubisg1 about packages.debian.org |
| 22:01.08 | thepro4ever | soooooooo, I like an idiot ran a video game as root.....and now my display has black to white gradient from top to bottom, even after reboot, how can i reset my desktop settings? |
| 22:01.27 | bsl4 | lol |
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| 22:02.07 | anubisg1 | kai have no idea how debian know.. i have anumber but i don't know what 6.0 means what ever is stable, experimental or what ever.. that's why i was asking.. thanks |
| 22:02.32 | babilen | !tell anubisg1 about introduction |
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| 22:03.04 | boudiccas | thepro4ever; what desktop manager are you using? |
| 22:03.15 | anubisg1 | babilen, and 6.0 code name is... |
| 22:03.28 | boudiccas | anubisg1; squeeze |
| 22:03.38 | anubisg1 | thank you |
| 22:03.43 | boudiccas | anusyw |
| 22:03.44 | babilen | anubisg1: squeeze -- See http://www.debian.org/releases/ as well |
| 22:03.59 | anubisg1 | thank you very much |
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| 22:04.00 | boudiccas | anubisg1; yw even :) |
| 22:04.08 | rubin110 | How do I change the locale for Gnome? |
| 22:04.41 | thepro4ever | boudiccas: gnome |
| 22:05.04 | anubisg1 | so.. if 6.0 is squeeze.. and if squeeze is stable --> http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gtk3&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all means no gtk3 packages... |
| 22:05.06 | anubisg1 | ok... thanks |
| 22:05.22 | babilen | !tell anubisg1 -about gnome3 |
| 22:05.39 | boudiccas | thepro4ever; ah right, sorry i cnat help you then, i dont use gnome. |
| 22:05.47 | thepro4ever | nooooooooooooooooooooooooo dang it |
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| 22:06.31 | pablo | hi, the default 686 kernel will now be by default with pae? |
| 22:06.55 | bsl4 | bye all |
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| 22:07.24 | streuner_ | dpkg, pae |
| 22:07.24 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 22:07.31 | babilen | !tell pablo -about 686-pae |
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| 22:07.38 | SuperMiguel | !tell gnome3 |
| 22:07.49 | babilen | SuperMiguel: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 22:07.57 | SuperMiguel | :p |
| 22:08.06 | SuperMiguel | babilen, easier to say tell :p |
| 22:08.12 | SuperMiguel | write* |
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| 22:09.07 | babilen | SuperMiguel: It is still very much preferred if you /msg the bot for private enwuiries |
| 22:09.15 | babilen | enquiries* |
| 22:09.28 | streuner_ | enquries, well |
| 22:09.32 | pablo | pae kernel is not working for me :s |
| 22:09.49 | streuner_ | pablo: please tell us more details |
| 22:10.31 | pablo | streuner_: I would like to, how do I debug the kernel? |
| 22:11.06 | streuner_ | pablo: i have no idea, you should prolly tell us just whats not working |
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| 22:13.19 | pablo | streuner_: while booting I get some mem address collision, without pae too, don't know if that is related to pae not working. |
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| 22:14.22 | tonikasueps | dpkg, eglibc |
| 22:14.23 | dpkg | eglibc is probably the new <libc> in Debian, see http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/05/msg00175.html |
| 22:14.30 | tonikasueps | thx |
| 22:14.44 | pablo | streuner_: once I got kernel panic with pae and the 2nd shot it hanged on gdm. so I boot with my old -686 kernel |
| 22:15.12 | streuner_ | pablo: hm, kernel panic is usually a bad kernel |
| 22:15.51 | streuner_ | pablo: you have only one chance to fix that, using another kernel |
| 22:17.08 | pablo | streuner_: linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae boots but it crashes. so I rather stick to my old linux-image-2.6.38-2-686 |
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| 22:17.21 | pablo | streuner_: you mean it might be corrupted? |
| 22:17.43 | resixian | looking for a good overview of foss 'active directory' type implementations, or even recommendations |
| 22:18.02 | streuner_ | pablo: default kernel in Debian just runs here, so i have no idea whats wrong with that |
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| 22:18.50 | streuner_ | pablo: Do you use a default kernel in testing/unstable? |
| 22:19.04 | pablo | streuner_: default yes |
| 22:19.50 | pablo | streuner_: I should give it another try and check why it is crashing |
| 22:20.59 | pablo | streuner_: I don't know if this msg that I get while booting is related to this problem (pci_root PNP0A03:00: address space collision: host bridge window [mem 0x000ec000-0x000effff] conflicts with reserved [mem 0x000ef000-0x000fffff]) |
| 22:21.04 | tonikasueps | Do you know if apt-build or dpkg-builpackage can somehow build eglibc? |
| 22:22.06 | streuner_ | pablo: i have no idea about kernels, but did you run memtest? |
| 22:22.53 | pablo | streuner_: yeah, the machine is more than new, mem is ok |
| 22:23.09 | streuner_ | strange |
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| 22:24.29 | streuner_ | pablo: you shouldnt get a problem with a kernel in testing/unstable (pae), just run memtest |
| 22:24.50 | streuner_ | pablo: no matter if you run new hardware |
| 22:25.43 | streuner_ | pablo: new hardware isnt a reason to work ok, IMO |
| 22:25.52 | pablo | streuner_: ok, I will re run memtest to double check |
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| 22:29.56 | streuner_ | pablo: if you got such strange issue, i believe its a hardware issue |
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| 22:30.32 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:30.38 | tonikasueps | me too |
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| 22:37.18 | streuner_ | had 3 month some Desktop, after that someone just renew RAM and everything was fine |
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| 22:38.15 | streuner_ | (RAM is alsways an issue...) |
| 22:42.41 | streuner_ | that bitch didnt reboot at all |
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| 22:43.05 | streuner_ | and it was only 3 month old... |
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| 22:53.54 | tonikasueps | streuner_: so pablo has just quit? |
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| 22:54.16 | tonikasueps | well, it's true that memtest might last some time.. |
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| 22:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | tonikasueps: Typically you want to run it for several hours. |
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| 22:57.15 | streuner_ | tonikasueps: hopefully |
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| 22:57.46 | streuner_ | tonikasueps: hopefully memtest would give some result |
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| 22:58.21 | tonikasueps | yeah, I had some sort of impatience... |
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| 23:09.09 | pilojo | how would i shutdown X to install graphics drivers? |
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| 23:10.11 | tonikasueps | control-alt-f1 then login as root (or gain root with sudo or su) and /etc/init.d/gdm (or perhaps gdm3) stop |
| 23:10.16 | tonikasueps | pilojo: that |
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| 23:10.28 | pilojo | ah... ok |
| 23:10.43 | tonikasueps | that's how i do it, perhaps it's not the best way, though |
| 23:10.57 | babilen | pilojo: What are you doing exactly? |
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| 23:14.28 | tonikasueps | cri cri cri cri.... |
| 23:14.30 | tonikasueps | xD |
| 23:14.55 | tonikasueps | babilen: :s perhaps (s)he was running the irc client in x |
| 23:17.00 | rook2pawn | does anyone know if there is ec2 chat? |
| 23:18.19 | streuner_ | what is ec2 chat? |
| 23:19.00 | rook2pawn | im looking for a ec2 channel (amazon ec2 cloud) |
| 23:19.36 | tonikasueps | hm |
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| 23:22.28 | massmc | Hello, I was thinking of maintaining a package that is no longer supported, can anyone lead me to some documentation to make this possible? |
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| 23:23.11 | daemonkeeper | massmc: Was the package already removed or is it still in Debian but orphaned? |
| 23:23.47 | massmc | it was removed after etch |
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| 23:24.07 | daemonkeeper | ehm, so not exactly very new. :) |
| 23:24.28 | daemonkeeper | Anyway: If you think you can maintain this package, file an ITP bug as usual. |
| 23:24.53 | tonikasueps | and also read maint guide... |
| 23:24.54 | daemonkeeper | Doing this, you should perhaps point out it was removed by given the related bug in your ITP. |
| 23:25.13 | tonikasueps | ... once/if accepted |
| 23:25.32 | daemonkeeper | To learn about ITPs, read http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ and http://wiki.debian.org/WNPP |
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| 23:27.22 | massmc | Thank you. I will have a read of that now. Would it be an idea to contact the late maintainer to see just what was needed to get it back up? |
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| 23:27.45 | daemonkeeper | Well, the old maintainer probably doesn't care, hence it was removed. |
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| 23:27.51 | daemonkeeper | (and no one else) |
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| 23:28.13 | daemonkeeper | Which package by the way? |
| 23:28.22 | massmc | BitchX |
| 23:28.26 | daemonkeeper | uh |
| 23:28.33 | chrismsnz | haha |
| 23:28.33 | daemonkeeper | there are good reasons to remove it |
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| 23:28.40 | daemonkeeper | Or there was acutally |
| 23:28.42 | daemonkeeper | *actually |
| 23:28.51 | massmc | I knew one of the reasons was the ipv6 issue |
| 23:28.52 | chrismsnz | I believe there were a pile of security problems with it? |
| 23:29.01 | chrismsnz | and it wasn't maintained upstream |
| 23:29.07 | daemonkeeper | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451373 |
| 23:29.10 | tonikasueps | I, IMHO, liked that package :p |
| 23:29.13 | daemonkeeper | RM: ircii-pana -- RoQA; security issues, abandoned upstream, unmainted |
| 23:29.20 | tonikasueps | ah, yes |
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| 23:29.23 | chrismsnz | :) |
| 23:29.31 | daemonkeeper | Its not about liking it or not, but about being sane to support it or not. |
| 23:29.36 | converge | hi, my keymap is not loading on boot, can somebody help me? |
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| 23:29.38 | rww | it isn't sane to support it :| |
| 23:29.39 | fpu | hello |
| 23:29.45 | fpu | I have problem with debootstrap |
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| 23:29.47 | massmc | great package back in the day, just sad I am probably one of the very few that miss it |
| 23:29.47 | hovel | hello folks, what would be the official debian method for changing the user-agent-string sent in Icedove headers |
| 23:29.47 | tonikasueps | :s |
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| 23:30.11 | fpu | I get errors on running /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage |
| 23:30.24 | babilen | tonikasueps: bitchx has not been maintained since 2004 -- use a different irc client. (irssi, weechat, quassel, xchat, ...) |
| 23:30.27 | chrismsnz | massmc: I used to use it... but it lacks an upstream maintainer more than anything |
| 23:30.30 | fpu | "/debootstrap/debootstrap: 441: id: not found" |
| 23:30.43 | daemonkeeper | babilen: You missed some points of the discussion here :) |
| 23:30.48 | fpu | "I: 441: -ne: unexpected operator |
| 23:30.50 | fpu | then some dpkg error |
| 23:31.18 | tonikasueps | massmc: you've got to see if it is worth |
| 23:31.28 | babilen | tonikasueps: Ok, do *not* file an ITP -- I very much doubt that bitchx will be accepted into the archive again. |
| 23:31.57 | daemonkeeper | massmc: You can, certainly, file an ITP. Be aware YOU are becoming upstream then, that is, YOU have to fix bugs in upstream code. |
| 23:32.06 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to use bitchx at all |
| 23:32.09 | stew | massmc: it was riddled with security bugs, anyone that tried to fix some, found more. at some point several security bugs were known and nobody was fixing them, nor was anybody releasing any new fixed versions |
| 23:32.15 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: That too. |
| 23:32.17 | tonikasueps | babilen: yeah, i know, i was trying to empathise, not to let him/her file an ITP and take the role of its maint |
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| 23:32.27 | dondelelcaro | it has long since been surpassed by far more capable IRC clients |
| 23:32.50 | babilen | Indeed |
| 23:32.58 | daemonkeeper | ... like telnet? |
| 23:33.06 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 23:33.10 | hovel | hello folks, what would be the official debian method for changing the user-agent-string sent in Icedove headers? |
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| 23:34.23 | hovel | general.useragent.override doesn't appear to work? |
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| 23:35.43 | daemonkeeper | hovel: Maybe try general.useragent.extra.firefox. There are plugins to achieve this more convenient. |
| 23:36.08 | hovel | ok, i'll have a look |
| 23:36.25 | tonikasueps | mmm, also general.useragent ? |
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| 23:37.20 | hovel | makes a note of that |
| 23:38.18 | tonikasueps | uf.... netsplit |
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| 23:43.19 | hovel | "general.useragent.extra.thunderbird" works for changing the end of user agent string |
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| 23:43.37 | lduros | hello, I want to share a large tar file with my parents who are far away, and I'd like to know what would be the best way to do this, in your opinion. Thanks. |
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| 23:44.27 | chrismsnz | lduros: something like dropbox may help if you don't have your own server |
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| 23:44.32 | lduros | they have ubuntu and I have debian. so I might give them a bash script to run for them to get the file, untar, etc, but I'm not sure what would be the best way for them to get it |
| 23:44.47 | lduros | chrismsnz: is there any way to do private peer 2 peer or something? |
| 23:45.01 | lduros | chrismsnz: i have my own vps but I didn't want to push a large file there |
| 23:45.06 | chrismsnz | if you have a public IP it's possible |
| 23:45.20 | chrismsnz | port forward port 22 from your router to your machine, get them to SCP the file |
| 23:45.21 | hovel | dropbox is proprietary :( |
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| 23:45.53 | lduros | chrismsnz: ok, sounds like an idea, I just have to open port 22 on my router |
| 23:46.00 | chrismsnz | lduros: the easiest way is going to be drop it on your vps in an accessable directory and get them to wget it |
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| 23:47.32 | lduros | chrismsnz: thanks |
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| 23:47.59 | grmrgecko | So I have installed a debian server and need to know if vnc4server will work with the current x11 session as I know I have used it for virtual desktops. |
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| 23:48.32 | grmrgecko | and this one has a display, so working off the current x11 session would be more memory efficient. |
| 23:49.25 | grmrgecko | or would x11vnc be good for that? |
| 23:49.31 | grmrgecko | http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
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| 23:52.49 | MotorCityBoy | I HATE CRON |
| 23:53.09 | MotorCityBoy | WHY DID IT MAKE ME WAIT AN HOUR TO FIND OUT UNDERSCORES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN CRON.HOURLY?! |
| 23:53.18 | MotorCityBoy | Okay, had to vent |
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| 23:53.23 | tonikasueps | xD |
| 23:53.39 | MotorCityBoy | Seriously, does that make sense? |
| 23:54.04 | tonikasueps | MotorCityBoy: it's frustrating but this kind of apparently nonsenses happen from time to time |
| 23:54.34 | MotorCityBoy | Yup |
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| 23:55.13 | tonikasueps | i neither knew underscores where allowed |
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| 23:55.39 | tonikasueps | s/were/weren\'t/g |
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| 23:56.25 | inthl | i can't umount it or remove a particular disk by mdadm -r, since it is busy in both cases |
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