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| 00:02.03 | Tekk_ | is seamonkey not in the testing repos? O.o |
| 00:03.12 | stew | Tekk_: it is, but it is called "iceape" |
| 00:03.35 | Tekk_ | ah, keep forgetting about that |
| 00:03.44 | f00li5h[HireMe] | meow! |
| 00:03.54 | Tekk_ | iceweasel no problem, but as soon as I need to remember icedove or iceape :P |
| 00:04.19 | f00li5h[HireMe] | can anyone offer useful advice for doing chrooted installs of debian, i see debootstrap, but have no idea of it's relative merits |
| 00:05.09 | daemonkeeper | "relative merits"? |
| 00:05.45 | f00li5h[HireMe] | yes. |
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| 00:06.08 | f00li5h[HireMe] | wether there is something better/worse, what it does well/poorly etc |
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| 00:06.26 | daemonkeeper | I think, debootstrap is among the greatest features of Debian. |
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| 00:06.39 | f00li5h[HireMe] | delightful. |
| 00:07.06 | daemonkeeper | Of course it does not completely replace an installation, you should be aware. |
| 00:07.27 | f00li5h[HireMe] | this is what i'm talking about |
| 00:07.32 | f00li5h[HireMe] | give me more "beware" pls |
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| 00:08.18 | daemonkeeper | Well, it does not setup /etc/fstab, /etc/network/interfaces, not does it configure users, root passwords nor does it install a kernel or a boot loader (if required) |
| 00:08.47 | f00li5h[HireMe] | umm. |
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| 00:08.55 | f00li5h[HireMe] | so, it won't boot then? |
| 00:09.03 | tonikasueps | mmm |
| 00:09.11 | deepa | it gives you a system |
| 00:09.14 | deepa | You still have to configure it |
| 00:09.17 | tonikasueps | you'll have to manuakllly install grub or lilo or silo or whatever you use... |
| 00:09.20 | tonikasueps | yeah |
| 00:09.31 | tonikasueps | that's it, you've got to configure it |
| 00:09.47 | f00li5h[HireMe] | k |
| 00:09.53 | teratorn | why do you need any of that crap for a chroot() environment? |
| 00:10.08 | f00li5h[HireMe] | why do i need users or a network? |
| 00:10.11 | f00li5h[HireMe] | hmm, good point. |
| 00:10.15 | f00li5h[HireMe] | wait, what? |
| 00:10.18 | teratorn | you already have a network |
| 00:10.29 | teratorn | you may need some stuff in /chroot/etc, though, sure |
| 00:10.55 | f00li5h[HireMe] | well, i'm hoping for something virtual machiney |
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| 00:11.22 | teratorn | oh well then just use the normal debian installer inside your VM |
| 00:11.23 | f00li5h[HireMe] | a lemur friend of mine set me up on something he described as a "glorified chroot" |
| 00:11.31 | f00li5h[HireMe] | teratorn: right. no more from you. |
| 00:11.40 | f00li5h[HireMe] | i was getting helpful answers until you decided to pipe in |
| 00:11.47 | teratorn | f00li5h[HireMe]: huh? |
| 00:11.50 | daemonkeeper | f00li5h[HireMe]: For virtual machines, there are nifty wrapper around debootrstrap. Xen for example suggest xen-utils, i.e. xen-create-image which is debootstrap + the tasks I was describing. |
| 00:12.04 | f00li5h[HireMe] | ah! |
| 00:12.07 | teratorn | *whatever* - goodbyte |
| 00:12.09 | f00li5h[HireMe] | daemonkeeper++ # helpful |
| 00:12.33 | deepa | teratorn: it's your tone, I don't think he would've understood you no matter what you had said |
| 00:12.43 | teratorn | my tone? |
| 00:12.47 | f00li5h[HireMe] | hahaa |
| 00:12.54 | f00li5h[HireMe] | teratorn: you are helpful the same way I am helpful on #perl |
| 00:12.58 | f00li5h[HireMe] | which is fine, |
| 00:13.05 | teratorn | look i'm done |
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| 00:13.09 | teratorn | *whatever* |
| 00:13.09 | f00li5h[HireMe] | but i'm not interested in a deep solution that requires me to know what i'm doing ;) |
| 00:13.25 | deepa | f00li5h[HireMe]: err... that's the opposite of what you got :p |
| 00:13.49 | f00li5h[HireMe] | deepa: nope. after I answered about 4 requirements related questions, teratorn would have given me an awesomely helpful answer |
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| 00:14.05 | tonikasueps | if you don't know what you are doing, you could end up jumping from a window |
| 00:14.11 | deepa | f00li5h[HireMe]: if you don't give out the requirements at hte start you are not going to get any helpful answers |
| 00:14.28 | f00li5h[HireMe] | metaconversation-- |
| 00:14.33 | daemonkeeper | +off topic |
| 00:14.37 | tonikasueps | xD |
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| 00:15.27 | deepa | I'll part ways with the following comment, teaching the users is part of "preventing disaster", it's more efficient in the end |
| 00:16.05 | f00li5h[HireMe] | sure. |
| 00:16.19 | f00li5h[HireMe] | but i'm looking for docs to read and package names is perfect |
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| 00:25.36 | smhar | is there a way to make apt-cache show package show things in colors to make it easier to read? |
| 00:25.58 | f00li5h[HireMe] | which colours? |
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| 00:28.04 | smhar | f00li5h[HireMe], now it is just a big chunk of text in black (one color) |
| 00:28.34 | smhar | would be nice to have something like different color for headings and stuff |
| 00:28.51 | grmrgecko | XOpenDisplay failed (:0) when I try to start x11vnc |
| 00:29.05 | grmrgecko | I am guessing the xauthority is needed |
| 00:29.11 | grmrgecko | however, I wouldn't know where it is |
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| 00:29.32 | inthl | I've got 2 partitions which are already linux-arrays, with an etx3 fs on these. I want to mount these as say, /dev/md4 - there is no /dev/md4 in /dev, so I would have to create it first, is that true? |
| 00:29.57 | inthl | using mdadm --create |
| 00:30.44 | inthl | I just did that with only one disk, but what happened was that the file system was unknown when trying to mount and cfdisk said that the partition table is unknown for /dev/md4 - I am afraid I even destroyed data |
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| 00:33.17 | ner0x | Anyone have their debian a domO of a xen with a windows domU HVM? |
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| 00:43.09 | balrog | wtf, now git / ssl is broken :( |
| 00:43.23 | balrog | error: gnutls_handshake() failed: Decryption has failed. while accessing https://github.com/... |
| 00:43.28 | balrog | what did I do to break this? |
| 00:43.52 | grmrgecko | what port scanner can I use? |
| 00:44.12 | grmrgecko | because none is answering my questions, might as well try to fix it myself... |
| 00:44.43 | balrog | grmrgecko: nmap? |
| 00:44.53 | grmrgecko | yeah, that's the one I was trying to remember |
| 00:44.54 | grmrgecko | thanks |
| 00:48.20 | grmrgecko | so vnc is not open when scanning tcp ports on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:48.26 | grmrgecko | then... |
| 00:50.00 | grmrgecko | I know the auth file is at /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-******-******/database, however it seems that they find that when I do -auth ** it says an unrecognized option with that |
| 00:50.18 | grmrgecko | maybe if I remove the space? |
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| 00:51.09 | grmrgecko | oh look |
| 00:51.11 | grmrgecko | using guess worked |
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| 00:51.18 | funnyfingers | Is there someone that can answer a few questions about grub and http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-kfreebsd-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/kfreebsd-amd64/ |
| 00:52.00 | grmrgecko | however it's only binding locally |
| 00:52.07 | funnyfingers | like do I still put the initrd and kernel in /boot and the grub stuff in /boot/grub? |
| 00:52.27 | funnyfingers | also is /boot/message needed? |
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| 00:59.19 | grmrgecko | got it working:D |
| 01:00.33 | jhutchins_lt | funnyfingers: No, you just let the installer handle all that, and don't worry about the details. |
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| 01:01.32 | linuxman410 | does anyone have a netgear 511t card working in debian |
| 01:02.03 | jhutchins_lt | linuxman410: No, nobody. |
| 01:02.05 | Python1 | hey guys i'm making a new linx distro |
| 01:02.24 | jhutchins_lt | linuxman410: They would have posted it on google and you would have found it. |
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| 01:02.47 | linuxman410 | it has the atheros chipset |
| 01:02.50 | jhutchins_lt | Python1: Which kinda means you are automatically off topic here. |
| 01:02.52 | funnyfingers | jhutchins could you look at the page I created I want to do this for debian as I did it all for CentOS here: http://wiki.lxcenter.org/FreshOSInstall |
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| 01:03.17 | funnyfingers | So basically I want to gz all the debian stuff so it can boot from a Xen domu and go to the installer. |
| 01:03.22 | funnyfingers | no CD no PXE. |
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| 01:03.34 | funnyfingers | but PYGRUB has to call grub |
| 01:03.51 | funnyfingers | or at least what I know of it as of now |
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| 01:04.15 | linuxman410 | can someone recommend a good wireless card that works in debian |
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| 01:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | funnyfingers: I think this is probably off-topic, but: bad web page, does not place focus in primary window. |
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| 01:04.54 | jhutchins_lt | funnyfingers: ... and I am not your VM guy, nor is that on topic here. |
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| 01:05.26 | funnyfingers | I'll try to make it debian... do I just put all that in /boot? |
| 01:05.39 | jhutchins_lt | would love to become an authority on VMs, but really can't claim it now. |
| 01:05.41 | funnyfingers | if I wiped a system and only left /boot would it work? |
| 01:06.44 | funnyfingers | does that make sense jhutchins? |
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| 01:07.54 | jhutchins_lt | funnyfingers: I could probably stumble throug it if it were in front of me, having worked on a few dozen different operating system platforms, but I have no specific knowledge of your environment. |
| 01:08.08 | jhutchins_lt | funnyfingers: I don't know. |
| 01:08.11 | funnyfingers | k |
| 01:08.20 | funnyfingers | you keep saying it in a way that I can ask more about it:) |
| 01:08.24 | funnyfingers | but I get ya |
| 01:08.27 | jhutchins_lt | funnyfingers: Go boldly forth and find out! |
| 01:08.43 | funnyfingers | I will see what I can figure out I think you have led me in a good direction |
| 01:08.50 | jenev | is there a way to get a list "all" the debian standard libraries? |
| 01:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | funnyfingers: Do it! |
| 01:08.55 | jenev | are they all on cd1? |
| 01:09.00 | jhutchins_lt | Write it up! |
| 01:09.18 | linuxman410 | jhutchins_lt do you know of any wireless cards that work in debian |
| 01:09.20 | stew | jenev: what do you mean exactly by "libraries"? do you mean packages? |
| 01:09.29 | jhutchins_lt | jenev: No, no, and what possible perspective can you gain from that? |
| 01:09.43 | jenev | no i mean, libraries |
| 01:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | linuxman410: Most do. Very few very new ones don't. |
| 01:10.01 | jenev | it's for osdev research purposes |
| 01:10.01 | jhutchins_lt | linuxman410: Yet. |
| 01:10.57 | stew | jenev: well, its easy to get a list of the packages in 'standard' its easy to get a list of files given a package name. but what do you mean exactly by 'libraries'? |
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| 01:11.33 | grmrgecko | someone explain why when I try to uninstall epiphany it asks to uninstall gnome? |
| 01:11.44 | grmrgecko | does gnome depend on it? |
| 01:12.06 | stew | grmrgecko: yes, gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment which depends on it |
| 01:12.07 | jenev | stew, like the shared libraries that come defaultly with debian, that other programs link to |
| 01:12.25 | jenev | are they all in /usr/libraries? |
| 01:12.39 | grmrgecko | sounds weird to me that the os would depend on the browser |
| 01:12.41 | stew | jenev: do ou mean /usr/lib? |
| 01:12.44 | grmrgecko | I would expect libraries |
| 01:12.48 | grmrgecko | but the interface? |
| 01:13.09 | stew | jenev: "aptitude search '~prequired' '~pimportant' '~pstandard'" will get you a list of packages in a "standard" install (note that this is more than in a base install which wouldn't include priority: standard) |
| 01:13.27 | stew | jenev: you can get a list of files given a package name from packages.debian.org or using apt-file or dpkg -L packagename |
| 01:14.27 | stew | jenev: anyway, assuming you mean /usr/lib instead of /usr/libraries, the answer is still no, there are other places they could be located |
| 01:15.15 | jenev | stew, ok thanks, that's what i meant by the way :) |
| 01:15.30 | jenev | guess i'll just hunt them down manually |
| 01:15.54 | stew | jenev: then no, they could also be in /lib ; there are other places where a shared library could be, but probably not for the base/standard packages |
| 01:15.59 | stew | jenev: why would you do this manually? |
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| 01:17.46 | jenev | well i understand what you mean, but generally they're in a "library folder" |
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| 01:17.54 | jenev | it's for a osdev project |
| 01:18.11 | jenev | need to gather a list of standard libraries |
| 01:18.39 | stew | jenev: what makes a library a "standard" library? |
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| 01:19.08 | jenev | comes default with the os installation |
| 01:19.25 | stew | jenev: and no they aren't generally in a library folder, but in one of two library folders |
| 01:19.26 | jenev | it's just so we get a general idea of the libraries needed by a os |
| 01:19.55 | stew | a standard install is more than is needed, btw |
| 01:20.09 | jenev | what do you mean? |
| 01:20.40 | stew | jenev: "comes by default" and "libraries needed" is a different set of libraries |
| 01:22.22 | jenev | no no, when i say "need" i don't really mean "need", i'll be able to screen them (e.g. exemple i'll skip the x11 libs) |
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| 01:25.46 | funnyfingers | jhutchins not sure if you are interested it still does need /boot/message and ./grub with most the grub conf. I didn't want to sift through what should go where so copied everything to both /boot and /boot/grub |
| 01:25.57 | funnyfingers | have some errors but at least boot menu came up |
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| 01:32.52 | wobblyonions | Hi all, anyone here got syslog messages going to a mysql db on a Debian serveR? |
| 01:35.15 | catsup | wobblyonions: it's best to just ask your question rathe than ask if anyone has a similar configuration... even those who do, will not say so, because they don't want to imply they will answer your question |
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| 01:36.26 | wobblyonions | ok fair enough , I am needing to send syslog mesages that are coming into /var/log/messages in a MySQL database, is using ryslog or syslong-ng better for this? |
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| 01:38.36 | Lisa__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.05 | stew | Lisa__: try #knoppix |
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| 01:40.49 | ohry | hey guys, my auth.log is full of "libnss-mysql: Connection to server 'localhost' failed" |
| 01:40.56 | Lisa__ | Stew: No one is on.. sadly |
| 01:40.56 | ohry | but i am unsure what is generating that message |
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| 01:43.53 | gnarface | i really don't like that firebug puts a cockroach on your web browser |
| 01:44.04 | gnarface | so there's a cockroach always in the corner of your eye |
| 01:44.18 | gnarface | i think this is a catastrophic design flaw |
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| 01:47.12 | pilojo | when i boot into debian i get a flashy terminal that has no functionallity so.. im wondering if theres a fix to that or if imma need to reinstall |
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| 01:47.36 | pilojo | ohai der frank |
| 01:48.45 | gnarface | pilojo: no |
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| 01:49.04 | gnarface | pilojo: you will not have to reinstall. you will have to find out the name of the terminal you want and install it though |
| 01:49.05 | pilojo | no to what? reinstalling or a fix? |
| 01:49.31 | gnarface | pilojo: (apt-get install [terminal program name]) |
| 01:49.32 | pilojo | i have gdm3 but it just wont boot |
| 01:49.41 | pilojo | im left with recovery mode |
| 01:49.45 | gnarface | oh well that is another department |
| 01:49.45 | pilojo | which is the only thing that works |
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| 01:51.52 | pilojo | was trying to install NVIDIA drivers... but then frankbro told me to add an empty xorg.conf to boot into a commandline instead of having x boot up... (cause nvidia graphics driver install needs X to be off) |
| 01:52.24 | MrFrood | !nvidia |
| 01:52.24 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:52.36 | pilojo | thing is.. i cant boot up now |
| 01:52.57 | pilojo | + the packages i get dont work... |
| 01:53.04 | pilojo | which is why i resorted to the .run |
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| 01:53.45 | MrFrood | pilojo: can you switch to another vt (e.g. ctrl+alt+F4) |
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| 01:53.58 | pilojo | no... i need to hold it to display them |
| 01:54.47 | pilojo | theres NO functionality in the normal mode... i only have recovery mode |
| 01:54.47 | MrFrood | pilojo: what version of debian are you using? |
| 01:54.51 | pilojo | 6 |
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| 01:55.14 | MrFrood | the nvidia packages work in squeeze |
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| 01:55.28 | pilojo | they dont work for me though... i followed the wiki |
| 01:56.05 | pilojo | either way... im just trying to recover from this... so... idk what to do... im stuck in recovery mode until i figure this out |
| 01:56.27 | MrFrood | given they work for everybody else pehaps you made an error? (you sure you are not using testing?) |
| 01:57.00 | pilojo | not debating that... trying to recover from fucked up system now |
| 01:57.21 | MrFrood | pilojo: Ctrl+alt+F4 should still work if it is just X playing sill games |
| 01:57.36 | MrFrood | *silly |
| 01:57.41 | pilojo | no.. i need to hold it to see a flashy display... |
| 01:57.46 | pilojo | and theres no functionality |
| 01:58.01 | MrFrood | pilojo: hold what? |
| 01:58.13 | pilojo | ctrl+alt+f1-6 |
| 01:58.26 | pilojo | for the different init levels |
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| 01:58.37 | pilojo | i need to hold those three keys to see a flashy display |
| 01:58.55 | pilojo | that lacks functionality |
| 01:59.00 | MrFrood | f1 to 6 are just vt's nothing to do with run levels |
| 01:59.21 | MrFrood | f1 is the boot screen |
| 01:59.41 | pilojo | well either way.. i need to hold to see a display |
| 02:00.14 | MrFrood | pilojo: that's crazy |
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| 02:02.39 | MrFrood | pilojo: what happens when you stop gdm? |
| 02:02.46 | pilojo | it never starts... |
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| 02:03.15 | MrFrood | pilojo: what happens when you kill X? |
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| 02:03.29 | pilojo | idk how... |
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| 02:06.39 | MrFrood | pilojo: try invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop |
| 02:06.47 | MrFrood | as root |
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| 02:07.28 | Lenin_Cat | In wondows theres a way to effectively downclock the cpu in the power options, how do I do that on gnome? |
| 02:07.55 | pilojo | unknown initscript |
| 02:07.59 | nevyn | Lenin_Cat: you don't want to do that. |
| 02:08.18 | Lenin_Cat | nevyn, why not? |
| 02:08.26 | nevyn | because it uses more battery. |
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| 02:08.45 | nevyn | finds the post by mjg on this. |
| 02:08.48 | Lenin_Cat | never, I am asking how to do this because my sisters desktop overheats |
| 02:08.51 | Lenin_Cat | I dont care |
| 02:09.18 | MrFrood | Lenin_Cat: install more fans |
| 02:09.39 | Lenin_Cat | mrfoobar, I want to downclock the cpu, how do I do that. |
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| 02:10.41 | gkwhc | Hi, Im new to Debian. Can one install Debian on FAT filesystems? I remember reading that some Debian packages require native ext2/3. |
| 02:10.42 | MrFrood | no idea most desktop cpu's don't support the use of a cpu govener |
| 02:11.13 | MrFrood | Lenin_Cat: fans are cheap |
| 02:11.28 | nevyn | fix the cpu heatsink |
| 02:11.33 | pilojo | ok... well i just removed xorg... and now it cant fetch any archives... i was trying to remove and reinstall it |
| 02:11.37 | Lenin_Cat | nevyn, how? |
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| 02:12.02 | MrFrood | pilojo: why did you do that? |
| 02:12.14 | nevyn | Lenin_Cat: remove clean reapply silicon grease reinstall |
| 02:12.18 | pilojo | cause xorg was failing me miserably |
| 02:12.33 | nevyn | Lenin_Cat: replace with new heatsink if you feel so inclined. |
| 02:12.41 | pilojo | now try to reinstall it.. and epic fail now i have no archive access |
| 02:12.45 | MrFrood | pilojo: your config was not X |
| 02:13.26 | MrFrood | pilojo: didd you even try the commandd I gave you? |
| 02:13.27 | pilojo | theres some guide that says xorg causes problems with boot up sometimes and it says remove.. reinstall... reconfigure |
| 02:13.34 | pilojo | yeah... |
| 02:13.39 | pilojo | unknown initscript |
| 02:14.39 | MrFrood | now if you had said that we could of moved on to other stuff brfore taking such ddrastic action |
| 02:14.49 | pilojo | i did... |
| 02:15.07 | pilojo | 22:07 |
| 02:15.13 | pilojo | is my timestamp |
| 02:15.19 | MrFrood | pilojo: sorry - missed that |
| 02:15.35 | MrFrood | my bad |
| 02:15.47 | pilojo | meh.. now to re-install xorg.. somehow |
| 02:16.02 | k-man | i've been trying to install debian testing on this server I have. during the "installing base system" part, it says it failed to install bzcat |
| 02:16.06 | MrFrood | try aptitude |
| 02:16.18 | pilojo | aptitude xserver-xorg? |
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| 02:16.45 | pilojo | its asking for a argument |
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| 02:17.37 | MrFrood | pilojo: aptitude install xorg |
| 02:17.43 | pilojo | ah.. |
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| 02:18.09 | pilojo | ... there goes gnome |
| 02:19.03 | MrFrood | and aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 02:19.10 | pilojo | ... there goes everything -_- |
| 02:19.30 | pilojo | it removed nearly all my stuff lol |
| 02:19.44 | MrFrood | reinstall later |
| 02:19.54 | pilojo | failed to fetch <link here> |
| 02:20.08 | pilojo | maybe the server im using is down? |
| 02:20.36 | DasEi | gkwhc: you could, but then lack many features |
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| 02:20.48 | MrFrood | try another mirror |
| 02:20.56 | pilojo | how do i change mirrors? |
| 02:21.21 | MrFrood | pilojo: finally aptitude install gnome |
| 02:22.05 | MrFrood | pilojo: eddit /etc/apt/sources,list to change mirror |
| 02:23.00 | pilojo | must find new canadian mirror... |
| 02:23.54 | MrFrood | pilojo: ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 02:24.28 | KurinPawpad | Is it possible to write to a file in real time, like cat > /tmp/file but line-by-line? |
| 02:24.39 | MrFrood | pilojo: if that ddon't work try ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 02:25.22 | MrFrood | KurinPawpad: like using a line editor? |
| 02:25.26 | Abyssion | Okay, I'm having a problem with my microphone... neither Sound Recorder nor Empathy will pick up my audio. I've looked at the Sound preferences and turned up the volumes on Front Mic, Front Mic Boost, Line-In, Microphone, and Mic Boost all the way. What am I missing? |
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| 02:26.07 | gkwhc | Hi, Can one install Debian on FAT filesystems? I remember reading that some Debian packages require native ext2/3. |
| 02:26.15 | TehRabbitt | just got a VPS with debian 5 pre-installed (lenny) I want to upgrade to squeeze using dist-upgrade, but i'm getitng a PGP error trying to do apt-get update |
| 02:26.27 | TehRabbitt | Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 02:26.30 | MrFrood | Abyssion: try #alsa |
| 02:26.58 | pilojo | ftp doesnt seem to work... |
| 02:26.59 | MrFrood | TehRabbitt: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 02:27.06 | pilojo | keeps responding in errors |
| 02:27.37 | MrFrood | pilojo: both adresses? |
| 02:27.49 | KurinPawpad | MrFrood, I want my line to send the moment I hit enter, I'm piping to a fifo. |
| 02:27.52 | pilojo | the line would be "deb ftp.whatever |
| 02:27.58 | pilojo | right? |
| 02:28.15 | MrFrood | yeah I think |
| 02:28.24 | pilojo | thats invalid... |
| 02:28.40 | pilojo | so it says |
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| 02:28.55 | frankbro | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 02:29.03 | pilojo | ah... |
| 02:29.10 | MrFrood | pilojo: try http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ |
| 02:29.10 | TehRabbitt | still getting it :-\ |
| 02:29.38 | TehRabbitt | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 02:29.41 | TehRabbitt | thats what I have |
| 02:29.47 | TehRabbitt | and this |
| 02:29.47 | TehRabbitt | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 02:31.19 | TehRabbitt | any ideas? |
| 02:32.09 | pilojo | ... imma just reinstall debian.. now is there a way to stop X or boot into terminal WITHOUT modifying system files |
| 02:32.12 | TehRabbitt | i've removed backports and volitile |
| 02:32.17 | TehRabbitt | changed lenny to squeeze |
| 02:32.20 | TehRabbitt | but still no luck |
| 02:32.25 | TehRabbitt | still gives me the GPG error |
| 02:33.04 | MrFrood | TehRabbitt: is it just a signing thing? |
| 02:33.05 | dvs | TehRabbitt: The "W:" indicates that it's just a warning. |
| 02:33.17 | TehRabbitt | dvs: so it's safe to ignore? :-\ |
| 02:33.27 | dvs | TehRabbitt: Plus, have you read the instructions for lenny->squeeze? |
| 02:33.30 | TehRabbitt | this is all I need, right? |
| 02:33.30 | TehRabbitt | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 02:33.35 | TehRabbitt | dvs: yes I have |
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| 02:34.06 | dvs | TehRabbitt: Then that's all you need in sources.list to upgrade. |
| 02:34.13 | pilojo | MrFrood you know of any way to stop X or boot into terminal without X loading? without modifying system files? |
| 02:34.14 | TehRabbitt | k |
| 02:34.51 | MrFrood | pilojo: stoping the display manager |
| 02:35.00 | DasEi | pilojo: several possibilities |
| 02:35.04 | pilojo | that doesnt work.. i stopped gdm3 and X was still running |
| 02:35.09 | TehRabbitt | working :-D |
| 02:35.10 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 02:35.34 | MrFrood | pilojo: sure you are using gm? |
| 02:35.42 | pilojo | yes |
| 02:35.42 | MrFrood | *gdm |
| 02:35.46 | pilojo | gdm3 |
| 02:35.49 | pilojo | anywho |
| 02:36.03 | MrFrood | you stopped it as root? |
| 02:36.12 | pilojo | yep |
| 02:36.16 | pilojo | X still runs |
| 02:36.20 | MrFrood | weird |
| 02:36.27 | pilojo | according to NVIDIA's .run driver install |
| 02:36.38 | DasEi | pilojo: service gdm3 stop ?! |
| 02:36.49 | pilojo | X still runs |
| 02:36.52 | TehRabbitt | E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.18-238.12.1.el5.028stab091.1 |
| 02:37.01 | TehRabbitt | using the instructions from dpkg |
| 02:37.04 | DasEi | pilojo: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 02:37.07 | MrFrood | pilojo: should not install nvidia that way |
| 02:37.10 | pilojo | X still runs |
| 02:37.12 | TehRabbitt | apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
| 02:37.15 | stew | TehRabbitt: that's a redhat kernel |
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| 02:37.28 | pilojo | honestly MrFrood... the wiki doesnt work for me... |
| 02:37.32 | TehRabbitt | how is that even possible 0_o |
| 02:37.51 | stew | TehRabbitt: because you are running in some virtualized environment |
| 02:37.56 | TehRabbitt | X_X |
| 02:38.00 | TehRabbitt | yes it's a VPS |
| 02:38.06 | stew | TehRabbitt: and the host machine is a RHEL5 install |
| 02:38.11 | pilojo | is there a way to just kill X |
| 02:38.11 | TehRabbitt | Oh |
| 02:38.11 | TehRabbitt | :( |
| 02:38.12 | pilojo | ? |
| 02:38.22 | TehRabbitt | stew: so there's no way for me to upgrade? |
| 02:38.53 | MrFrood | pilojo: ps -aux, find the pidd then kill -9 pid |
| 02:39.08 | stew | TehRabbitt: it would be very strongly recommended to get that 2.6.18 upgraded to at least 2.6.32 before proceding, since the udev in squeeze won't work with anything older than 2.6.32 |
| 02:39.10 | pilojo | would it be x-session-manager? |
| 02:39.31 | TehRabbitt | stew: well how would I upgrade it to 2.6.32? |
| 02:39.38 | pilojo | if so.. i killed that... it just goes to tty(next number) |
| 02:39.46 | stew | TehRabbitt: do you control the host redhat install? |
| 02:39.56 | TehRabbitt | stew: no |
| 02:40.01 | stew | TehRabbitt: then you don't |
| 02:40.05 | TehRabbitt | X_X |
| 02:40.16 | MrFrood | pilojo: yes |
| 02:40.49 | pilojo | if im on tty7 and i kill x-session manager... it goes to tty8 |
| 02:41.06 | MrFrood | no tty 6 |
| 02:41.34 | pilojo | no... im pretty sure it went to tty8 |
| 02:41.49 | pilojo | after all i did hit ctrl+alt+f8 |
| 02:42.27 | MrFrood | pilojo: tty 8 only there if you added it |
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| 02:42.49 | pilojo | i didnt... x-session-manager seems to make it when killed |
| 02:43.11 | Abyssion | I'm having trouble configuring ALSA on Debian Squeeze to record sound from my microphone, even though I can hear it through the speakers |
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| 02:43.26 | pilojo | then when i killed it on 8 it went to 9 |
| 02:43.32 | pilojo | and tty 8 didnt exist |
| 02:43.53 | pilojo | so X obviously doesnt want to die |
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| 02:44.22 | MrFrood | !tell Abyssion about alsa-checklist |
| 02:44.36 | MrFrood | !tell Abyssion about alsa firmware |
| 02:45.25 | MrFrood | pilojo: kill "X" find the pidd for "X" |
| 02:45.35 | pilojo | "X" doesnt seem to exist though... |
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| 02:49.01 | MrFrood | pilojo: if you can't stop gddm or X i'm not sure that I can give any further help as it all depends on that maybe someone else can chip in |
| 02:49.11 | pilojo | i can stop gdm |
| 02:49.15 | pilojo | but i cant stop X |
| 02:49.23 | boudiccas | pilojo; it either exists or it doesnt, there is no 'doesnt seem to exist'! computers are logical things and use logic, so should you when dealing with them |
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| 02:49.41 | MrFrood | pilojo: if gdm was stopped X would be stopped |
| 02:49.48 | Abyssion | MrFrood: 1) I'm the only user on this system so I ought to be in that group already. 2) I've been playing with alsamixer for a while, raising volumes and muting/unmuting things, but it still doesn't work. 3) I don't know what arts and esound are. 4) Yes, of course. 5) Yes, it works. 6) Switching to OSS doesn't seem to help. |
| 02:50.29 | MrFrood | Abyssion: firmware? |
| 02:50.53 | Abyssion | Are you suggesting that it may be a firmware issue? |
| 02:51.14 | MrFrood | Abyssion: just a guess |
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| 02:52.05 | Abyssion | It's probably just the fact that I have no idea how to configure ALSA or alsamixer to turn on capture from my mike |
| 02:52.17 | Abyssion | The instructions on this page don't help for one reason or another http://alsa.opensrc.org/Record_from_mic |
| 02:52.24 | MrFrood | Abyssion: intel chipset? |
| 02:52.39 | Abyssion | I think so |
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| 02:54.18 | MrFrood | Abyssion: I ddon't know the answer but this pops up quite often with intel chipsets so if you give it a little while and ask again hopfully someone will be around who can help |
| 02:54.27 | Abyssion | mk, thanks |
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| 02:57.25 | Python | !ops asdkjnd |
| 02:57.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: python complains about: asdkjnd |
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| 03:05.16 | wobblyonions | can anyone help me with getting syslog messages into a MYSQL database at all please? |
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| 03:08.44 | stew | wobblyonions: what is the trouble you are having? |
| 03:09.19 | hwq001 | wobblyonions: check this tutorial http://www.cnblogs.com/khler/archive/2010/12/30/1921587.html |
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| 03:11.05 | wobblyonions | hwq001 - will try that and get back to you shortly thanks |
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| 03:11.56 | Python | what do you hate on debian (not trolling just opinions) |
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| 03:13.04 | MrFrood | Python: that's more an offtopic question |
| 03:13.17 | Python | yeah |
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| 03:25.35 | pilojo | ok... now i have problems with nouveau |
| 03:25.38 | TehRabbitt | any reason php5-pgsql wants to install apache2.2-bin? |
| 03:26.01 | pilojo | the .run wont work with nouveau |
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| 03:26.08 | pilojo | so how do you disable that? |
| 03:27.25 | pilojo | MrFrood: You know how to disable nouveau kernel driver?? |
| 03:27.50 | MrFrood | pilojo: yes but that is NOT the way to install nvidia |
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| 03:28.05 | pilojo | just tell me how to disable nouveau |
| 03:28.09 | MrFrood | !tell pilojo about kms |
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| 03:35.16 | pilojo | growls.... debian hates me... i disable nouveau and then flashy terminal |
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| 03:37.11 | MrFrood | pilojo: install nvida the debian way |
| 03:37.27 | nevyn | wishes nouveau was built with DRM support |
| 03:37.32 | TehRabbitt | http://pastebin.com/StEE8gUi |
| 03:37.35 | TehRabbitt | any ideas on how to fix? |
| 03:37.37 | nevyn | or there was a sane way to get a DRM enabled version |
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| 03:38.26 | somiaj | TehRabbitt: have you checked the bts (bugs.debian.org) for bugs on your package, see if its been reported and solved? |
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| 03:39.00 | somiaj | TehRabbitt: if not, you could just comment out the offending update-rc.d / inserv line in the postinst script (though you may have to manually do what ever it failed to do) |
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| 03:40.08 | TehRabbitt | somiaj: now it just seems apt-get is broken :( |
| 03:40.11 | TehRabbitt | wont let me do anything else |
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| 03:41.04 | somiaj | TehRabbitt: well until you fix your dependency problems, you could try 'apt-get -f install' -- but I'd still check the bts first |
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| 04:21.40 | andrewwiggin | is there some trick to making the fonts in linux look as nice as other modern OSes? |
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| 04:25.23 | nevyn | andrewwiggin: turn on subpixel rendering don't use bitmap fonts |
| 04:25.45 | andrewwiggin | does GNOME use bitmap fonts by default? |
| 04:25.53 | andrewwiggin | i already turned on subpixel |
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| 04:26.01 | andrewwiggin | it helps |
| 04:26.04 | nevyn | it should be ok. |
| 04:26.07 | andrewwiggin | doesn't go all the way |
| 04:26.17 | nevyn | install decent fonts. |
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| 04:27.17 | andrewwiggin | mstt fonts? |
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| 04:27.58 | andrewwiggin | i'm not 100% sure its about the fonts anyway, text in web pages rendered in chromium actually look about how i'd like |
| 04:28.08 | andrewwiggin | everything else on the desktop looks.... worse |
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| 04:29.47 | andrewwiggin | chromium renders them fuzzier, which i prefer |
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| 04:30.00 | andrewwiggin | the subpixel thing made them "fuzzier" than without |
| 04:30.01 | andrewwiggin | but |
| 04:30.09 | andrewwiggin | not quite there |
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| 04:59.29 | sherl0ck | im using the debian 6.0 installer iso i386, and it gets to the part of pick a mirror to download - and all of them say "mirror does not support the specified release" idea? |
| 05:01.22 | wols | sherl0ck: you sure you have a network connection? |
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| 05:01.34 | wols | and which installer iso are you using? |
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| 05:02.38 | sherl0ck | strange, for some reason if change my dns servers |
| 05:02.40 | sherl0ck | it* |
| 05:02.52 | sherl0ck | had 208.67.222.222, and when back to 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:02.56 | sherl0ck | thx for hint |
| 05:03.52 | sh4rm4 | i had to reboot debian because a failing build totally hogged up all resource. after that, there's only 1 MiB of space on /tmp, but several GiB free on / |
| 05:03.54 | sh4rm4 | overflow 1.0M 4.0K 1020K 1% /tmp |
| 05:03.58 | sh4rm4 | ^ that's df- h |
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| 05:04.33 | sh4rm4 | how can i put it back to normal ? |
| 05:05.13 | sh4rm4 | s/reboot/reset |
| 05:05.35 | milken | Just delete the stuff inside /tmp |
| 05:05.41 | sh4rm4 | its empty |
| 05:05.51 | sh4rm4 | filesystem is "overflow" |
| 05:07.04 | milken | Why don't you use /tmp under /? |
| 05:07.52 | sh4rm4 | it usually is |
| 05:08.03 | sh4rm4 | there's no external mountpoint in fstab defined |
| 05:10.16 | milken | Can't you simply unmount overflow? |
| 05:11.35 | sh4rm4 | u mean umount /tmp ? |
| 05:12.07 | milken | Yes. |
| 05:12.23 | milken | You'll need to restart X, though. |
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| 05:13.41 | sh4rm4 | it's a vm |
| 05:13.50 | sh4rm4 | yeah that fixed it thanks |
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| 05:17.52 | milken | I don't know any "overflow" filesystem. But I'm guessing you were using something like ramfs. |
| 05:18.08 | sh4rm4 | there's a /dev/shm tmpfs |
| 05:18.22 | milken | Yes, that's shared memory. |
| 05:18.35 | sh4rm4 | according to some forum stuff i found the issue is related to fuse fs |
| 05:18.49 | sh4rm4 | although i do not remember having it installed |
| 05:18.55 | sh4rm4 | the vm is pretty bare metal |
| 05:19.48 | milken | Hm. |
| 05:19.55 | milken | The "overflow" thing is tmpfs. |
| 05:20.44 | sh4rm4 | the perl build that was causing the reset situation was calling miniperl in a recursive endless loop |
| 05:21.46 | sh4rm4 | it may have completely filled up the ram or disk, causing that situation |
| 05:21.59 | sh4rm4 | tho its strange that it survived the reboot |
| 05:22.14 | milken | It seems when you're out of disk space in the /tmp partition when you boot, the system will mount it as a tmpfs. |
| 05:22.30 | milken | See /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp |
| 05:22.52 | sh4rm4 | oh, thanks |
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| 05:28.12 | rook2pawn | how can i run loadkeys on startup on a login shell? |
| 05:28.40 | rook2pawn | when i put the loadkeys mykeys.map in my .bash_profile, its executed under that user's permissions, i want it to be system wide |
| 05:29.06 | wols | !keymap |
| 05:29.06 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 05:29.14 | peterrooney | rook2pawn: /etc/bash.bashrc should be good |
| 05:29.49 | rook2pawn | cool! it even says system-wide :-) |
| 05:30.27 | rook2pawn | /etc/bash.bashrc wont execute under non-login shells correct? |
| 05:31.19 | sh4rm4 | it certainly won't run with /bin/sh ... |
| 05:31.34 | sh4rm4 | ecept that is symlinked to bash |
| 05:32.02 | sh4rm4 | which on my deb6 is not the case |
| 05:32.19 | wols | rook2pawn: copying your keymap to /etc/console/ should be enough. see /etc/init.d/keymap.sh |
| 05:32.27 | peterrooney | rook2pawn: from the man page, "When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-interactive shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes commands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists." |
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| 05:35.48 | rook2pawn | got it, thanks! |
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| 05:39.57 | kierge | what is debian with the freebsd kernel like ? |
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| 05:41.19 | gnarface | i'm curious how well that works two. primarily i'm curious about packetfilter |
| 05:41.32 | sauvin | kierge, do you know how to use virtualbox or other types of virtual machien? |
| 05:41.35 | gnarface | (pf) |
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| 05:41.49 | kierge | i have used virtualbox before, yes. |
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| 05:41.58 | sauvin | Then use it again and see for yourself! :D |
| 05:42.32 | kierge | does the freebsd kernel have strengths the linux kernel lacks ? |
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| 05:44.33 | gnarface | kierge: i haven't used it myself but i doubt that they would have done it if the answer was "no" |
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| 05:44.46 | wols | kierge: zfs support |
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| 05:45.23 | kierge | gnarface, one never knows for sure. i'll simply google it. thanks wols |
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| 05:45.38 | sauvin | zfs, firewall, a few other "niceties", I should think. |
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| 06:02.11 | WaterRatj | Anyone knows if you can send an email to another email then to local user? |
| 06:02.20 | WaterRatj | crontab related |
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| 06:11.06 | sedulous | i just accidentally "lvremove -f"'d the wrong volume. however it was currently in use. lvremove's output was somewhat ambiguous: |
| 06:11.30 | sedulous | ok, no, nevermind. it's still there. |
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| 06:19.20 | tansell-laptop | Hi guys, I'm building a bunch of packages not as root, but they some packages installed - is there a way install them in a chroot or something without futzing with my main system? |
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| 06:23.38 | nkuttler | tansell-laptop: debootstrap can do that |
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| 06:24.18 | disaster123 | I need some help with a Makefile - somebody here wo is familiar with them? |
| 06:24.31 | tansell-laptop | nkuttler, I didn't think you could build a complete chroot without roots help? |
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| 06:28.17 | milken | disaster123 I'm not sure this is the place, but what do you wanna know? |
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| 06:31.48 | vlt | Hello. How can I find out which driver is used for a certain PCI device ("00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA AHCI Controller")? |
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| 06:32.57 | milken | lspci -k |
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| 06:34.42 | rook2pawn | sorry i asked this earlier, but when i added "loadkey mykeys.map" to my /etc/profile, when i logged in it ran as me, not root, thus failed |
| 06:35.36 | rook2pawn | should i make this a new script service in /etc/init.d and update-rc.d ? |
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| 06:35.58 | RenatoSilva | anyone with an ADSL connection configured with pppoeconf or something like that? |
| 06:36.20 | RenatoSilva | for checking wheter $ip addr behaves like ifconfig |
| 06:36.53 | peterrooney | rook2pawn: try adding absolute pathname to mykeys.map |
| 06:37.51 | peterrooney | rook2pawn: oh, wrong, nevermindme |
| 06:37.53 | vlt | milken: Thank you. |
| 06:37.54 | nkuttler | RenatoSilva: http://pastebin.com/HZcAaXNX |
| 06:38.06 | peterrooney | !keys |
| 06:38.34 | RenatoSilva | nkuttler: that's output of $ip addr? |
| 06:38.43 | nkuttler | RenatoSilva: ifconfig |
| 06:38.56 | RenatoSilva | nkuttler: and could you show me your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:39.09 | RenatoSilva | nkuttler: how about $ip addr? |
| 06:39.59 | nkuttler | what's $ip addr |
| 06:40.02 | rook2pawn | peterrooney: it was permission denied error (if i login as root, it will allow me to remap) |
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| 06:40.17 | nkuttler | the interfaces has just a connection inet ppp with a provider line |
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| 06:40.47 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: What exactly is your problem? |
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| 06:42.16 | peterrooney | dpkg: keys |
| 06:42.17 | dpkg | peterrooney: i don't know |
| 06:42.32 | RenatoSilva | nkuttler: just type ip addr |
| 06:42.38 | peterrooney | dpkg: keymap |
| 06:42.38 | dpkg | Squeeze users: run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your console and X keymap. Lenny users: run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" to change the console keymap (use loadkeys for temporary adjustments) -- to change the X keymap, read "man xmodmap" and ask me about <xorg config lenny>; gnome-control-center and kcontrol can also be used. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 06:42.42 | nkuttler | why would i.. |
| 06:42.51 | RenatoSilva | nkuttler: thanks, night. |
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| 06:43.16 | ypnima | http://dpaste.com/571132/ <- can anybody help me? |
| 06:43.17 | RenatoSilva | nkuttler: (03:36:20) RenatoSilva: for checking wheter $ip addr behaves like ifconfig |
| 06:44.00 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: I want to check whether ip addr will display the ppp0 or dsl-provider |
| 06:44.33 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: stupid pppoeconf adds a dsl-provider in /etc/network/interfaces rather than calling it ppp0 |
| 06:44.40 | disaster123 | milken: i need to execute a custom command in front of all targets |
| 06:46.18 | milken | What do you mean? |
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| 06:46.28 | milken | Before each one of them, or once before any of them? |
| 06:46.35 | vlt | Hello. Because I had many crashes in the last months I replaced the server hardware on the weekend but I it stopped twice again. The error looks the same as before: kernel looses SATA storage. Everything except the hard drives is new (and tested). Is it possible that one failing SATA drive (of six in a raid10) can cause problems like this? The SATA controller is "00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SATA AHCI Controller", the driver |
| 06:46.37 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: It displays ppp0 |
| 06:46.48 | fleischergesell | Same as ifconfig |
| 06:47.44 | fleischergesell | vlt: Why do you replace all hardware except faulty drives? |
| 06:47.44 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: but what's in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:47.53 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: Exactly the same, ppp0 |
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| 06:48.03 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: blaah!!! |
| 06:48.07 | metbsd | which debian version for alpha server 2100? |
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| 06:49.10 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: If you want to troll, please leave. We helped you and I answered your question. But we still don't know what your real problem is, anyway. |
| 06:49.19 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: if you would help me, could you #ifdown ppp0, then change the name in interfaces from ppp0 to whatever, then #ifup, then see what both ifconfig and ip addr says? |
| 06:49.28 | metbsd | CAN ANYONE TELL ME? |
| 06:49.49 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: do you know the XY problem, right? |
| 06:49.56 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: No, sorry, cannot do this. What do you want to test with that? |
| 06:50.08 | vlt | fleischergesell: I just pulled the drives out of the old machine and put it in the new one. Didn't know what could cause the error. The least I expected was the drives because a failing one should be handled by md ... hmmmm. |
| 06:50.14 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: I'm doing research on behavior of ip addr. What's complex abbout it? |
| 06:50.52 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: Research, okay. Why do you need help in researching that? Can't you test it for yourself? |
| 06:50.55 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: so this is a shakedown? haha! |
| 06:51.40 | fleischergesell | vlt: Well, you're right of course. What sort of crash do you experience? |
| 06:51.55 | milken | disaster123 forgot to hl you.. I answered you above. |
| 06:51.55 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: I can't test for myself, I don't have an ADSL connection configured with pppoeconf or with the scenario I asked you |
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| 06:52.24 | RenatoSilva | *about |
| 06:53.22 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: Well, asking here will not really get you the results you expect. Either because nobody wants to shutdown a working interface that his connection runs through, or just because this is more like consulting and not helping to solve a realworld problem. |
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| 06:54.02 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 06:54.12 | spiekey | where can i get the Debian 5 Lenny netboot cd? |
| 06:54.42 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: out of curiosity, what do you do to restart your ppp connection and check how IP changed? $ifconfig ppp0 && sudo ifdown ppp0 && sudo ifup ppp0 && ifconfig ppp0???? |
| 06:55.11 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: No, ifdown dsl-provider etc. |
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| 06:55.40 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: that's interesting both the "etc." and "dsl-provider" |
| 06:56.14 | disaster123 | milken: once before any of them? |
| 06:56.26 | disaster123 | milken: once before any of them - without questionmark ;-) |
| 06:56.27 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: for the latter, as you mentioned it's ppp0 in interfaces, but ifdown need what you passes it to be there |
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| 06:56.49 | RenatoSilva | *needs |
| 06:56.56 | fleischergesell | True |
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| 06:57.25 | BataLoopPak | ï |
| 06:57.29 | BataLoopPak | ï |
| 06:57.29 | vlt | fleischergesell: The machine seems to loose storage but keeps on running for a while. Nothing is written to syslog ao anywhere else. When it crashed yesterday I had a running "watch cat /proc/mdstat" that told me 5 of 6 SATA drives had gone. When I arrived at the machine thousands of dmesg errors scrolled very fast. All I could read was [sdd]. After rebooting everything looked fine. When it crashed last night I came too late to see any error messages but again |
| 06:57.31 | BataLoopPak | ï |
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| 06:58.29 | fleischergesell | vlt: That looks like faulty sata cables or faulty sata controller |
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| 06:59.08 | vlt | fleischergesell: Yes, looks like. But I replaced the complete hardware (including SATA cables, except drives). |
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| 07:00.19 | fleischergesell | It is unlikely that faulty drives cause a crash, but you still did not explain what sort of crash, kernel oops, hard-reset, freeze? What kernel do you use? |
| 07:01.26 | fleischergesell | vlt: Can you trigger the error by hotremoving all devices one at a time? |
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| 07:01.55 | vlt | fleischergesell: Driver used is ahci v3.0 from stable's 2.6.32 |
| 07:02.02 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: Just to be clear on that: There is no "etc" involved in any command |
| 07:02.39 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: "etc." just meant that I use dsl-provider for any given command that should do something with the pppoe-connection |
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| 07:02.54 | vlt | fleischergesell: When I pull one cable the kernel behaves exactly like I'd expect it to: removing the "faulty" drive from the array and continue running smoothly like before. |
| 07:03.26 | fleischergesell | vlt: Okay, did you try switchting to legacy mode in bios, just for testing? Did the error happen, too? |
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| 07:04.04 | vlt | fleischergesell: Haven't tried yet. |
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| 07:04.46 | milken | disaster123 use order-only prerequisites |
| 07:05.08 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: I just want to know if ip addr gets the interface name from interfaces file, or some other way |
| 07:05.25 | disaster123 | milken: what does that mean? Or how to define them? |
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| 07:07.23 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: It probably gets the name from the rp-pppoe.so plugin |
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| 07:08.21 | RenatoSilva | fleischergesell: which in turn gets from that file or somehow else |
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| 07:09.02 | milken | disaster123 you use a "|". |
| 07:09.22 | milken | like: foo.o : foo.c | mytarget |
| 07:09.30 | milken | mytaget is an order-only prerequisite |
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| 07:09.56 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: Not from a file, apperently. But ppp0 are the default values for the ip-up and ip-down scripts for ppp |
| 07:10.30 | fleischergesell | RenatoSilva: Did you download ppp0 and tried to set it up, even without having a proper adsl connection? |
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| 07:11.01 | fleischergesell | It might help your research, as you will see configuration files and defaults.. you could also try to have a look at the source code, you will certainly find an answer there |
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| 07:11.29 | RenatoSilva | anyone interested please see this http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/+junk/adsl/view/head:/adsl, and send me a memo if you got the problem, specially if you can check whether ip addr gives what's in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:11.34 | RenatoSilva | thanks who helped |
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| 07:12.23 | disaster123 | milken: i'm, sorry but i just add | myshellcommand to the Makefile? Never head about that |
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| 07:14.38 | milken | disaster123 I'm not sure what you're trying to do. |
| 07:16.03 | disaster123 | milken: I've a kernel Makefile and i want to modify it in that way that regardless i call make menuconfig or make install or make oldconfig a custom shell command gets executed before the real target gets processed |
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| 07:16.24 | vlt | fleischergesell: When running in legacy mode what features will be lost? Hot plugging, NCQ? |
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| 07:17.27 | milken | disaster123 can't you create a target for that command and use it as a prerequisite? |
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| 07:18.20 | disaster123 | milken: 2 problems here. 1st kernel makefile uses .PHONY to just adding a custom target results in strange beviour. How do i set prerequisites? |
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| 07:19.30 | milken | Why does it matter that it uses phony targets? |
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| 07:21.27 | milken | A prerequisite is what comes after the ":" in a rule. Do you know anything about makefiles? |
| 07:22.23 | inference | so i made this data backup dvd for driver scripts etc, checksum passes, but i get input/output errors on most everything i try to copy off of the disk |
| 07:22.29 | milken | disaster123 ^ |
| 07:22.29 | inference | incredibly frustrating |
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| 07:24.14 | disaster123 | milken: yes i know but have you ever looked into a kernel makefile? there not just the plain targets defined. They're included through several external files |
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| 07:25.03 | milken | Yes, each directory in the kernel tree has its own Makefile. |
| 07:25.51 | disaster123 | milken: so perhaps you could tell me where i can define a prerequisite for the menuconfig target. I haven't found the position. |
| 07:26.21 | rook2pawn | update-rc.d remap defaults where remap is a shell script that executes loadmap keys.map resulted in an insserv warning: missing LSB tags |
| 07:26.35 | rook2pawn | is there some way to do the reverse of update-rc.d <script> defaults |
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| 07:28.13 | rook2pawn | i tried update-rc.d -f remap remove and still got the same insserv warning |
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| 07:30.13 | fleischergesell | vlt: Not necsessarily these two, but some features will be lost. NCQ is not AHCI only, but you need special intel drivers to make it work without ahci, afaik. |
| 07:31.55 | fleischergesell | vlt: Btw, did you check for bios misconfiguration (timings, busspeed stuff like that?) Did you run memtest to exclude bad memory as a cause? |
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| 07:33.18 | rook2pawn | wwhat does update-rc.d <script> defaults do when it errors? i.e. LSB tag runlevel information missing |
| 07:33.34 | milken | disaster123 that would be in scripts/kconfig |
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| 07:34.33 | vlt | fleischergesell: memtest ran without errors for three days. All other kinds of stress testing were done. BIOS settings all look fine. |
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| 07:35.05 | disaster123 | milken: so i really have to add to each target manually my stuff right? Why do i have to use config: $(obj)/conf mergeconfig instead of config: mergeconfig $(obj)/conf |
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| 07:35.50 | vlt | fleischergesell: I don't know how to describe the type of crash well. The machine keeps running (for about one hour) but can't write anymore. Number of processes waiting for something to be written raises and finally I loose network connection. Can you ask yes/no questions that would help describing the type of crash? |
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| 07:36.01 | milken | disaster123 I don't understand your second question |
| 07:36.18 | fleischergesell | vlt: You do not sit in front of the maschine? |
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| 07:36.48 | fleischergesell | Do you have atleast a kvm over ip connection? |
| 07:37.05 | rook2pawn | anyone know how to run loadkey on login shells? the /etc/profile and other bash chains result in the user who is logging in as running it, not root |
| 07:38.30 | fleischergesell | rook2pawn: Insserve warnings generally do not mean no sucess, but you could try to fix the corresponding LSB tags |
| 07:38.52 | vlt | fleischergesell: I'm not always there. When it lost SATA on Sunday only two hours after booting I could drive there and stil could see the fast scrolling error messages. When I arrived after the crash last night it didn't wake up from the blank screen on the console. |
| 07:38.53 | rook2pawn | i gave up on trying the init.d path |
| 07:39.07 | disaster123 | milken: OK seems to work fine. Thank you! One think which doesn't work. I've modified all: vmlinuz to all: mergeconfig vmlinuz where mergeconfig is my custom target. One problem is now that make -j 4 does not work anymore. It says: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1. Add `+' to parent make rule. |
| 07:39.14 | rook2pawn | fleischergesell: i'd just like to have loadkey run as root on login shells |
| 07:39.31 | fleischergesell | rook2pawn: Make it suid root, done ;-) |
| 07:39.54 | milken | disaster123 generally you shouldn't mess with the kernel's makefiles. |
| 07:40.05 | ypnima | can anybody give me a link or ... about installing debian in imac core i5 |
| 07:40.07 | ypnima | ? |
| 07:40.23 | rook2pawn | fleischergesell: not dangerous? |
| 07:40.58 | fleischergesell | rook2pawn: What is dangerous there? You want the file to be run as root and if you cannot find another way of doing this, setuid might be your only option. |
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| 07:41.18 | fleischergesell | Remember, it was you that gave up on init.d |
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| 07:42.07 | disaster123 | milken: good idea... but i have to be sure that a custom command runs before anybody is able to compile the kernel ;-) |
| 07:42.16 | rook2pawn | fleischergesell: sounds good, ty |
| 07:42.21 | Almad | I have debian package that depends on python-xml on lenny, but not on squeeze anymore. Can this be expressed in single control file? |
| 07:42.25 | Almad | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.20 | wols | Almad: apt-cache <package you have a problem with> please |
| 07:43.31 | fleischergesell | vlt: Did you change _any_ hardware except for the drives? |
| 07:43.57 | vlt | fleischergesell: Every part, including SATA cables. |
| 07:44.12 | fleischergesell | What about power cables? |
| 07:44.20 | vlt | fleischergesell: New ones. |
| 07:44.22 | rozie | vlt: did you check SMART? |
| 07:44.45 | vlt | checks smart |
| 07:44.48 | fleischergesell | It is highly unlikely that 6 out of 6 drives fail like this, but just to be sure, yes, please check smart |
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| 07:45.57 | fleischergesell | Btw, is the raid array corrupted after crash? Does it have to rebuild itself? |
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| 07:46.27 | rozie | and what about controller? was it replaced too? |
| 07:46.42 | fleischergesell | rozie: The controller is onboard and they replaced the board |
| 07:47.17 | rozie | OK. just to clarify, it's easy to miss details looking on log |
| 07:47.24 | fleischergesell | Sure, no worries |
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| 07:48.23 | fleischergesell | I g2g for a few minutes, will read the log when I return |
| 07:48.34 | rozie | BTW I have laptop with broken CD and no USB boot. I have Debian with Linux kernel running on it. I also have unused partition there. Wanted to play with Debian/kFreeBSD, but look like I have to debootstrap to install. |
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| 07:49.20 | rozie | The problem is: which filesystem should I choose? It needs to be RW on Linux and suitable for root FS on kFreeBSD |
| 07:50.05 | rozie | ufs is not an option - there is "ufs was compiled with read-only support, can't be mounted as read-write" message on Squeeze kernel |
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| 07:51.21 | wols | rozie: zfs and fuse zfs on debian/linux? |
| 07:51.53 | vlt | fleischergesell, rozie: http://pastebin.com/0wLAaSqW -- In most cases I get "started raid array with 6 of 6 devices" after reboot. |
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| 07:53.21 | vlt | fleischergesell, rozie: Just checked mdstat: All drives are active "[UUUUUU]" but it's rebuiling anyway right now. |
| 07:53.41 | wols | ypnima: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnIntelMacPro basically the main/only speciality of macs are their EFI bootloader |
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| 07:54.09 | rozie | vlt: SMART looks bad |
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| 07:54.41 | vlt | There's no message in syslog when and why it started rebuilding, just "Jul 19 09:47:21 2ven mdadm[2681]: Rebuild22 event detected on md device /dev/md0" a few minutes before. |
| 07:54.47 | vlt | rozie: Which drive? |
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| 07:57.01 | rozie | vlt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. command timeout |
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| 07:58.51 | rozie | vlt: 9QMABE6N one has very high number |
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| 07:59.18 | rozie | and also high UDMA_CRC_Error_Count |
| 07:59.27 | rozie | I'd replace this drive |
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| 08:01.24 | rozie | wols: thanks, will give zfs a try |
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| 08:01.31 | fleischergesell | vlt: please also provide fdisk -l for a drive (given they all have the same partition scheme) and "mount" |
| 08:03.41 | vlt | rozie: Thank you. This is drive "sdd", the one I saw scrolling by last time I could see any dmesg errors on console. |
| 08:04.34 | fleischergesell | still, this faulty drive should not cause crashes like the ones you experience just by it beeing faulty |
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| 08:08.08 | vlt | fleischergesell: All disks have exactly the same (dd'ed) partition schema: http://pastebin.com/qGaMZhka |
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| 08:12.03 | vlt | fleischergesell, rozie: I'll replace that drive ASAP. I thought such problems shoudn't occur when using SATA anymore ... |
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| 08:14.00 | rozie | fleischergesell: I guess problem with communication with one drive can make whole raid "waiting" for operation |
| 08:16.05 | fleischergesell | rozie: Well, we have lots of drive failures with sata, but it never occured that they brought down the maschine (unless the failing drive was in no-raid state and mounted as /) |
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| 08:16.42 | ayambit | I want to align partitions, anyone knows how? |
| 08:16.56 | fleischergesell | ayambit: Use gparted 8.x and you be fine |
| 08:16.59 | ayambit | I read some info and googled some stuff but I still don't get it./ |
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| 08:17.14 | ayambit | fleischergesell: how do I check if it's aligned? |
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| 08:17.34 | ayambit | I can do fdisk -lu but i'm unsure what it tells me |
| 08:17.51 | ayambit | it tells me that parition starts an 1 (not 63 or 128) |
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| 08:19.03 | auska | hi! What should I install to have the sql library for c++ on debian? |
| 08:19.54 | rook2pawn | are there other consolefonts than terminus/vga? |
| 08:20.18 | wols | auska: depends on your SQL server of choice I guess |
| 08:20.28 | auska | wols: sorry, mysql... |
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| 08:22.04 | auska | wols: I did: apt-get install libmysqlclient15-dev but g++ crash when i do #include <mysql> |
| 08:22.13 | wols | auska: libmysql++3 |
| 08:22.31 | wols | and there is mysql connector/c++ directly from oracle IIRC |
| 08:23.12 | auska | wols: I installed libmysql++3 too and nothing... |
| 08:23.28 | fleischergesell | ayambit: fidsk -lu is kinda useless without giving the unit |
| 08:23.40 | auska | what do you mean with "there is mysql connector/c++ directly from oracle IIRC |
| 08:23.42 | auska | "? |
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| 08:24.27 | fleischergesell | ayambit: Your fdisk seems rather odd to have the default on cylinders btw |
| 08:24.32 | wols | I mean it's no in debian but oracle has it. see google. and just installing some runtime shared libs doesn't allow you to program for these libs, you need the dev packages too |
| 08:25.06 | fleischergesell | ayambit: And to answer your qustion, 1 or 63 mean that your partition is most certainly not aligned the way you want it to be |
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| 08:28.00 | ayambit | As I understand, alignment means that partition starts at multiple of raid stripe (128k in my case). I think I can somehow move it with gparted to be aligned, to do this I need to convert sectors to bytes and move it to 128k from disk start, is it true or am I completely wrong? |
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| 08:29.05 | squantrill | I have a p212 Raid card it works under lenny but i need squeeze I can seem to get the card recognised on upgrade or new install of squueze any tips ? |
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| 08:29.49 | rook2pawn | is there a way to disable my mouse? (its a touchpad but not synaptics device).. i have /dev/input/mouse0 and /mouse1 (which is the touchpad) |
| 08:30.10 | fleischergesell | ayambit: Just use gparted in a recent version, move the partition to the right, then move it back to the left. Gparted will align it automatically to the next MB. |
| 08:30.34 | fleischergesell | Just be cautios, this can cause full dataloss |
| 08:30.47 | fleischergesell | It usually does not, but you never know, so be prepared and have a full backup |
| 08:31.14 | vlt | fleischergesell: You still need output of mount? It's all on LVM. |
| 08:31.20 | ayambit | fleischergesell: it's new box, it can be lost safely for now. |
| 08:31.44 | fleischergesell | ayambit: Then just recreate the partition and make it start at the proper sector |
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| 08:31.51 | fleischergesell | No need to tamper with the partition then |
| 08:32.19 | ayambit | As I understand I should choose 'align to mb' in gparted, true? Also, it's hardware raid here, so I'm not sure if gparted will understand what it needs to do. |
| 08:32.31 | fleischergesell | vlt: Well, I just needed the output to make sure you do not have a single drive mounted as / or /var or something similar silly ;-) |
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| 08:32.49 | fleischergesell | Gparted aligns to mb per default, it does not care what the underlying devices are |
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| 08:33.27 | fleischergesell | ayambit: In case you want to use ext filesystem, http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html |
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| 08:35.01 | fleischergesell | vlt: So, probably I do not need that anymore, thought still I'm not convinced that a sata link communication problem causes a box to crash |
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| 08:35.41 | vlt | fleischergesell: We still haven't defined "crash" clearly ;-) |
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| 08:37.57 | ayambit | fleischergesell: but shouldn't I align to exact size of the stripe? Thanks for mkfs calculator. |
| 08:38.11 | vlt | rozie: How long at least does it take for a hard drive running to reach such a high value: "188 Command_Timeout 0x0032 100 074 000 Old_age Always - 64425558285" |
| 08:38.20 | ypnima | I'm installing debian, I'm in partition disk part |
| 08:38.26 | ypnima | can anybody help me? |
| 08:38.43 | vlt | ypnima: What's the problem? |
| 08:39.16 | ypnima | vlt, what's partitions I need? |
| 08:39.20 | vlt | rozie: More than two days? |
| 08:39.32 | vlt | ypnima: Depends heavily on what you're doing. |
| 08:39.47 | vlt | ypnima: Why not let the installer decide? |
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| 08:40.50 | ayambit | ypnima: you need separate /home and maybe swap if it's your home box. |
| 08:40.52 | Bhavicp | Hi all, if i have a disk mounted at /mnt/sda/ - How would i re-mount it as read only? It's currently failing and i want to further damage and quikcly move data off. |
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| 08:41.11 | ayambit | mount /mountpoint -o remount,ro |
| 08:41.25 | ayambit | or mount -o remount,ro /mountpoint |
| 08:41.29 | Bhavicp | Thanks |
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| 08:42.45 | rozie | ypnima: if it's desktop and first Debian try, and you don't have much space - make one partition for / and no swap (you can add swap in file) |
| 08:43.14 | rozie | vlt: no idea how long it takes |
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| 08:43.33 | ypnima | rozie, I have enought space |
| 08:43.43 | fleischergesell | ayambit: It just needs to be a multiple of your stripe size |
| 08:43.48 | ypnima | rozie, I need / <- and /home and swap |
| 08:43.51 | ypnima | rozie, ? |
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| 08:44.08 | rozie | ypnima: for desktop? sounds good |
| 08:44.18 | wols | ypnima: not really. how much diskspace do you have and what do you intend to do with this debian box? |
| 08:44.18 | ypnima | rozie, yes for desktop |
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| 08:44.43 | ypnima | wols, 500 gig |
| 08:46.09 | wols | make a swap partition a little bigger than your current RAM and use the rest for /. or you can create the same swap, use 10-20GB for / and use the rest for /home |
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| 08:46.21 | squantrill | www |
| 08:46.28 | squantrill | sorry wrong winow |
| 08:46.43 | rozie | for 500GB I |
| 08:46.51 | ayambit | fleischergesell: so, if my stripe size is 128K, than 256K, 512K, 1MB and so on are equally valid? |
| 08:46.52 | ypnima | wols, 4 gig ram |
| 08:47.21 | rozie | would use 20-50 for / ~5 GB for swap, the rest for /home |
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| 08:47.31 | ayambit | What for one needs ram nodays? |
| 08:47.34 | ayambit | No, really? |
| 08:47.40 | ayambit | oh |
| 08:47.46 | ayambit | s/ram/swap |
| 08:47.54 | rozie | hibernation? |
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| 08:47.56 | wols | ayambit: hibernation mainly |
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| 08:48.41 | rozie | yes, you can use swap in file IIRC, but partition is simple and more reliable |
| 08:48.52 | rozie | and what is 5GB when you have 500? |
| 08:49.04 | wols | can you use file-swap for hibernation? |
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| 08:49.27 | ypnima | rozie, so 5 gig for swap 50 gig for / and rest for /home? |
| 08:49.46 | fleischergesell | ayambit: Yes |
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| 08:50.32 | rozie | sounds OK for me. 20 for / should also be enough, but don't know how much do you want to play with system |
| 08:50.38 | rozie | 50 is safer |
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| 08:51.22 | ypnima | rozie, swap partion name must be -> /swap? |
| 08:51.31 | ypnima | or just swap? |
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| 08:51.43 | wols | swap partition name is not part of the filesystem.it has no name either |
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| 08:52.39 | k-man | is there some way to make a local proxy/mirror of debian so if I am installing debian onto multiple machines it won't be downloading the same files each time from the internet? |
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| 08:53.33 | k-man | apt-proxy maybe? |
| 08:53.36 | wols | apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy, etc |
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| 08:54.14 | k-man | thanks wols |
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| 08:55.28 | rozie | apt-cacher-ng recommended |
| 08:55.34 | rozie | fast and simple |
| 08:55.45 | ArdRigh | can anyone recommend a good calendar server to run? |
| 08:55.51 | k-man | that's what I need, thanks rozie |
| 08:56.08 | devil | rozie: ever looked at approx? |
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| 08:56.41 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I have a debian squeeze system that I believe may have been root-compromised. I see a strange opera.deb file in a user account owned by root that I never downloaded. Plus dpkg -l shows it to be installed. Is there a document that describes best-practices in recovering from such a situation? |
| 08:57.35 | boudiccas | Pegasus_RPG; fresh install |
| 08:57.46 | rozie | devil: no. used apt-proxy (IIRC required configuration on server when adding new repo, had some problems), apt-cacher (TBH, still have it on one machine) and apt-cacher-ng (simpler version of apt-cacher - lighter, less features, but enough) |
| 08:57.48 | Pegasus_RPG | well yeah |
| 08:57.58 | rozie | oh, and apt-p2p |
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| 08:58.15 | AimHere | Take machine offline, work out how it was compromised, then fresh install, making sure to close off whatever hole was used to break in. ANd any other holes you can think of too |
| 08:58.25 | rozie | devil: why should I take a look on approx? |
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| 08:59.02 | devil | rozie: i used apt-cacher(-ng) 2 years ago, and often had corruption in the db, so i switched to approx, which works more flawless imho |
| 08:59.31 | rozie | OK, will give it a try as soon as I get db corruption |
| 09:00.09 | devil | also, back then, apt-cacher put all files in one big file, whereas approx had files from a-z |
| 09:00.24 | devil | s/file/dir |
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| 09:05.37 | jonaskoelker | Hello all. My uzbl-tabbed won't start: sh -c 'uzbl-tabbed' throws "ImportError: No module named pygtk"; python-gtk2 (ver 2.17.0-4) has python-ver 2.5 (and 2.6). What gives? |
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| 09:11.27 | k-man | how do I configure which mirror apt-cache-ng should use? |
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| 09:12.48 | rozie | k-man: you don't. setup is made on client side |
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| 09:13.08 | rozie | (or did you mean "http proxy"?) |
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| 09:14.35 | k-man | oh, I see - you set it up as an http proxy for apt-get |
| 09:14.40 | k-man | not as a source |
| 09:15.23 | Bhavicp | Hey, i've got this process: oot 14545 0.0 0.0 14124 1004 pts/11 D+ 04:40 0:00 mount /mnt/sdd -o remount,ro |
| 09:15.28 | Bhavicp | But i can't seem to kill it |
| 09:15.31 | Bhavicp | even with kill -9 |
| 09:15.56 | devil | killall -9? |
| 09:17.30 | fleischergesell | Bhavicp: You might want to kill the parent process - pstree might help you there |
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| 09:18.14 | Bhavicp | ok thanks |
| 09:18.24 | fleischergesell | Bhavicp: It could also be that there are currently (unflushed) writes to the device, so the remount will wait for them to finish |
| 09:19.04 | Bhavicp | Ah, it's already been a while. |
| 09:19.08 | Bhavicp | like 15mins |
| 09:19.18 | Bhavicp | I'll wait for it.. |
| 09:19.55 | rozie | Bhavicp: did you stop processes which may write to this partition before remount? |
| 09:20.06 | rozie | (syslog etc.) |
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| 09:20.45 | fleischergesell | Bhavicp: Better have a look at processes that have open (write) handles on the device and stop them |
| 09:20.54 | inki | hi, how do i find out which nics i have in my system? |
| 09:20.59 | Bhavicp | Ok, i'll have a lookie :) |
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| 09:21.59 | jonaskoelker | the python-gtk2 package is installed and well, AFAICT |
| 09:22.11 | wols | inki: lspci lsusb ifconfig -a |
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| 09:22.19 | inki | thx wols |
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| 10:04.25 | tonikasueps | Hi! In order to write to /usr/src as a normal user, I know I must add it as su to group src and perform logout-login, but despite that, I still cannot write there, any ideas? /usr/src owner and group are root:root, perhaps should I issue a # chown -R root:src /usr/src ?? |
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| 10:06.20 | tonikasueps | well, I gonna try that chown, but I don't believe much on it... |
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| 10:08.46 | ypnima | in partion part of installing debian |
| 10:08.58 | ypnima | for creating partitions |
| 10:09.01 | ypnima | swap |
| 10:09.04 | ypnima | root / |
| 10:09.08 | ypnima | and /home |
| 10:09.21 | devil | ypnima: could you please stop hitting enter after every other word? |
| 10:09.30 | Auron | boot |
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| 10:10.03 | ypnima | for example for root /, should I set name -> / or should I set / to mount point? |
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| 10:11.55 | berarma | ypnima: do you really need changing the default partitioning scheme? |
| 10:12.13 | ypnima | berarma, yes |
| 10:12.20 | ypnima | berarma, I just want to know |
| 10:12.39 | ypnima | berarma, I should set name = / or mount point =/ |
| 10:12.58 | ypnima | ? |
| 10:13.16 | tonic_ | Hi! Do you know if /usr/src have changed in squeeze? No way to let a normal user write there... I have already added it to src group and also chowned -R root:src /usr/src with no luck, any ideas? |
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| 10:13.45 | devil | tonic_: why would you want that? |
| 10:13.48 | Black_Prince | tonic_, chmod 775 /usr/src |
| 10:13.54 | tonic_ | 775? :O |
| 10:13.58 | Black_Prince | tonic_, anyways builds are done as normal users ... |
| 10:14.04 | Black_Prince | 775, owner and GROUP write ... |
| 10:14.11 | tonic_ | ah yes :p |
| 10:14.32 | Black_Prince | as normal users in their home directory tree ... |
| 10:14.37 | tonic_ | devil: cause I want to buiold as normal user and would like to use /usr/src, but perhaps it a security flaw? |
| 10:14.44 | tonic_ | ahh ok |
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| 10:14.49 | babilen | tonic_: Do you have a particular reason *not* to use your home directory or /usr/local/src? |
| 10:14.51 | tonic_ | so... in my home dir ok |
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| 10:15.16 | tonic_ | no, not actually, was only reading doc and don't wanting to buold as su |
| 10:15.25 | tonic_ | s/buold/build/g |
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| 10:16.53 | tonic_ | well, would love to have sources centralized... |
| 10:18.12 | berarma | tonic_: /usr/src is a system directory |
| 10:18.30 | babilen | tonic_: Then stick them in /usr/local/src and change the group of subsumed directories to a specific group (src for example) so that users in the src group can write there |
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| 10:19.20 | babilen | tonic_: make sure to make it sticky (i.e. new directories/files are created with the same owner) |
| 10:19.32 | berarma | !tell ypnima -about install guide |
| 10:19.47 | berarma | ypnima: see Appendix C ^^^^ |
| 10:19.56 | tonic_ | mmm, sticky ok |
| 10:20.23 | tonic_ | thx babilen for the advice :) |
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| 10:22.01 | tonikasueps | babilen: so 2755? |
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| 10:22.50 | tonikasueps | sorry, many years from when I used gnu/linux in a somehow deep way :p |
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| 10:24.36 | babilen | tonikasueps: indeed |
| 10:25.25 | babilen | tonikasueps: Or not necessarily 755 as the users should be able to write as well, but the 2 is the key, yes. |
| 10:26.02 | babilen | Another way would be to peruse ACLs but that is (quoting from d-d) "shooting strawmans with bazookas" |
| 10:26.11 | tonikasueps | hehehe |
| 10:26.25 | tonikasueps | 775? mmm |
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| 10:26.27 | tonikasueps | ok ok |
| 10:26.42 | tonikasueps | xD shooting strawmans with bazookas heh |
| 10:27.00 | babilen | 775 or 770 is reasonable -- depends on your needs |
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| 10:27.50 | babilen | well, your box. Just wanted to punch you into the right direction ;) |
| 10:28.03 | Black_Prince | 2775 is setgid ... |
| 10:29.36 | babilen | yesâ½ |
| 10:29.41 | tonikasueps | hey, Black_Prince, I had forgotten that word as well as setuid |
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| 10:30.58 | tonikasueps | thanks you both :) |
| 10:31.54 | babilen | tonikasueps: Yes, you set the setgid on the directory, which causes it subsumed files/directories to be created with the same group ... which was the point of this exercise |
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| 10:34.07 | tonikasueps | ^^ |
| 10:34.15 | tonikasueps | :) |
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| 10:45.39 | tonikasueps | babilen: in fact... do you know if there is any problem with /usr/src/linux not existing in order to build a kernel the debian way? (linux-source, etc) |
| 10:47.25 | tonikasueps | ok... |
| 10:47.31 | tonikasueps | xD |
| 10:47.50 | tonikasueps | "Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area!" |
| 10:47.51 | tonikasueps | xD |
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| 10:48.26 | jokar | o/ all |
| 10:48.28 | jokar | hi all |
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| 10:49.16 | jokar | i install vmware workstation in my debian 6 but when i want run it you me some modules must be install and when i click install show me error!!! |
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| 10:50.16 | ani | Hi all |
| 10:51.24 | ayambit | I installed debian and after installation was complete created a new partition using parted. After this system does not boot anymore. Boot partition is set bootable and i tried to reinstall grub, but no luck. |
| 10:51.48 | Black_Prince | jokar, vmware isn't part of debian iirc, but anyways, paste your error messages in pastebin |
| 10:52.21 | jokar | ok |
| 10:52.32 | ani | I am working on header compression, could any one please forward me any links related to ESP/IP header compression? |
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| 10:55.04 | wols | ayambit: what command did you use to reinstall grub? |
| 10:56.14 | ayambit | I booted to debian rescue mode, was chrooted to my single partition (it has all system on it) and typed grub-install /dev/sda (single disk in the machine) |
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| 10:56.46 | ayambit | I have gpt partition table. |
| 10:56.46 | wols | and what happens if you try to boot normally? |
| 10:57.29 | ayambit | Just black screen with blinking cursor in the upper left corner, after a second or several system reboots. |
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| 10:58.39 | ayambit | maybe i need to kick system with parted somehow? |
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| 11:04.25 | berarma | ayambit: fdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit |
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| 11:05.12 | lamah | does official squeeze backports haves firefox based - iceweasel browser 4, 5 ? |
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| 11:06.02 | babilen | lamah: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:06.04 | devil | lamah: mozilla.debian.net has 6,7,8, |
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| 11:06.24 | rozie | devil: also 5 |
| 11:06.34 | devil | ok, was not sure on 5 |
| 11:06.46 | rozie | (at least yesterday was 5 ;-)) |
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| 11:08.42 | stew | lamah: no, not in the official backports. neither 4 nor 5 has made it to testing yet. (4 never will, 5 could, but not at leasat for a week) |
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| 11:09.19 | lamah | :) |
| 11:09.24 | lamah | ok |
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| 11:10.28 | babilen | lamah: But the http://mozilla.debian.net repository is maintained by Debian's mozilla team, which is why we recommend it to you if you want a newer version of iceweasel. |
| 11:11.08 | lamah | hmm good |
| 11:11.20 | lamah | :)) |
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| 11:13.44 | lamah | brb |
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| 11:17.16 | ayambit | berarma: I can't copy paste from broken system, but here is relevant line (i think): /dev/sda1 1 267350 2147483647+ ee EFI GTP |
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| 11:18.20 | ayambit | device boot start End Blocks Id System |
| 11:18.22 | ayambit | /dev/sda1 1 267350 2147483647+ ee EFI GTP |
| 11:19.02 | ayambit | Also fdisk told me about GPT detected, don't use fdisk. |
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| 11:21.10 | berarma | ayambit: sorry, I don't know about GPT |
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| 11:21.57 | ayambit | I can reinstall the system on another partition, but i want to understand why it is dead/ |
| 11:24.15 | tonikasueps | Hi! Do you know if AMD Athlon(tm) II Neo K325 Dual-Core Processor fits in Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 processor family in make menuconfig? |
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| 11:24.41 | colo-work | tonikasueps, yup, it does |
| 11:24.58 | tonikasueps | any doc sustaining it? I feel lost |
| 11:25.16 | tonikasueps | in fact it is K10 as I've read-.- |
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| 11:27.55 | jokar | hey all |
| 11:28.25 | jokar | i need VBoxGuestAdditions for virtualbox-ose 3.2.10 |
| 11:28.35 | jokar | can you show me download link? |
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| 11:33.15 | ArdRigh | can someone advise which is best app to block rogue ssh attempts? |
| 11:33.48 | petemc | denyhosts or fail2ban are popular |
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| 11:43.25 | ushaft | hi, is it possible for a user to have his own version of hosts file? for example ~/.hosts ? |
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| 11:44.08 | jelly | ushaft: short answer: no |
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| 11:44.24 | toni | Hi! |
| 11:44.35 | eugenmayer | hello. adding .. up route add -net 192.189.250.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.189.251.70 eth0 ⦠to the /etc/nework/interface file should actually result in having those routes setup on restart, right (start)? |
| 11:45.09 | ushaft | Jelly, is there no way i can do host translation for some addresses without having root privileges ? |
| 11:45.15 | ilm | hi, we use a debian server to run some benchmarks using matlab. However, sometimes I get an "kernel panic -not syncing : out of memory and no killable processes" |
| 11:45.45 | ilm | but I never get that on my own linux machine. If there is an out of memory the process (matlab) is killed and all memory is freed |
| 11:45.50 | mns | ushaft: no there isn't. host translation is a system wide thing, hence you need root access for it. |
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| 11:46.11 | ilm | how would I approach this for debugging it ? should I set a memory limit per process, or perhaps my memory is faulty ? (6gb of ram) |
| 11:46.24 | mns | ilm: which linux distro do you use |
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| 11:46.46 | ilm | on my pc opensuse 11.4. On the server, debian lenny I think |
| 11:47.04 | ilm | ubuntu (collegue uses it) also kills the process fine |
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| 11:47.18 | ilm | so I'm wondering if perhaps there is more to it than just using too much memory |
| 11:47.18 | frostschutz | ilm: faulty memory would look different I think. the question is why the oom killer can't kill any processes. |
| 11:47.23 | jelly | ushaft: host -> ip translation is usually done in the C library. If you really need to, you can override the library calls (gethostbyname() and friends) using a LD_PRELOAD library wrapper |
| 11:47.47 | ilm | how would I check that ? any useful logs ? |
| 11:48.12 | mns | ilm: what version of the kernel ? are the kernel and the kernel options the same on both debian and opensuse ? |
| 11:48.15 | ilm | it is a practically standard lenny install, + I modified /etc/limits.conf a bit to give some users a higher priority |
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| 11:48.21 | ilm | ah, good question |
| 11:48.24 | ushaft | jelly, i only want myname.com to be resolved as www.myname.com, nothing fancy |
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| 11:49.36 | ilm | 2.6.37 here on opensuse. debian lenny is the standard kernel there (last updated somewhere in january i think). cant check it, need vpn connection to ssh to the debian |
| 11:49.55 | lamah | i have imported the gpg key but i got NO_PUBKEY on apt-get update |
| 11:50.14 | lamah | for debian/mozilla |
| 11:50.36 | ilm | ubuntu of my collegue has Linux roddenberry 2.6.38-10-generic #46-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 28 15:05:41 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:51.29 | ilm | the problematic debian server has: Linux 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 25 05:59:43 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:51.50 | ilm | don't know about the options. standard I guess, how would I check that and which options do you think matter ? |
| 11:52.10 | petemc | ilm: check /proc/<PID>/oom_adj for the pid of the matlab process |
| 11:52.20 | toni | I have a very strange problem: On a newly installed machine with lvm on top of mdadm's raid1, I get an (initramfs) shell on reboot due to volume group not found. 6.0.x (live iso, but normal install mode, from yesterday, amd64). |
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| 11:53.53 | ilm | cat /proc/3920/oom_adj is 0 on opensuse. will check on server now (vpn'ing, no internet meanwhile) |
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| 11:57.10 | lamah | gpg --import ? |
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| 11:57.43 | ilm | back. oom_adj also zero on debian server. oom_score is 220099 (this is on fresh matlab instance, obviously we had to restart after the panic) |
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| 12:00.35 | ilm | interesting read: http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ |
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| 12:01.28 | tonikasueps | Do you know amdfam10 upper architecture? x86-64? k8? ...? |
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| 12:03.24 | ilm | what about increasing vm_min_free_kbytes ? |
| 12:03.31 | ilm | do you think that's a good idea ? |
| 12:03.47 | petemc | do you have much swap configured? |
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| 12:04.32 | ilm | SwapTotal: 979832 kB |
| 12:04.33 | ilm | SwapFree: 979832 kB |
| 12:04.36 | ilm | i guess so |
| 12:04.59 | ilm | would be nice to know all these values just before the panic. is this logged somewhere ? |
| 12:05.33 | toni | forgot to say: /boot is on /dev/md0, and / (root) is on a LV in /dev/md1 |
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| 12:05.41 | movl | tonikasueps: k8 IIRC |
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| 12:06.33 | totte | I purged mysql-server-5.1 and manually deleted /etc/mysql in order to get a clean reinstall - but aptitude fails at installation due to the directory no longer being there. How would I go about to recreate that directory since (seemingly) it isn't created at installation of mysql? |
| 12:07.26 | berarma | totte: there's more packages: mysql* |
| 12:07.40 | berarma | totte: that directory is probably from mysql-common |
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| 12:09.45 | tonikasueps | movl: so do you think I should build gcc with -march=k8 -mtune=amdfam10 ? -march=native in my system puts amdfam10, taht's the dilema... |
| 12:10.09 | movl | tonikasueps: what vers of gcc? |
| 12:10.20 | movl | I usually use -march=k8 |
| 12:10.25 | tonikasueps | movl: 4.4 |
| 12:10.39 | movl | and leave -mtune |
| 12:10.42 | movl | YMMV |
| 12:11.01 | tonikasueps | yeah... |
| 12:11.29 | tonikasueps | I have now gcc 4.4 built with -march amdfam10... we'll see the mileage.. |
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| 12:16.45 | tonikasueps | movl: 4.4.5 in fact |
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| 12:18.25 | linduxed | i've noticed that when i do /etc/init.d/mpd restart i get no output. also the mpd command seems to be non-existant. all connections to the server are refused |
| 12:18.29 | totte | berarma: That is correct, though the file "debian-start" is missing. It is odd - I can't recall this having been an issue earlier. I usually just do "aptitude install mysql-server" and everything runs smoothly. |
| 12:18.33 | linduxed | any idea what could be happening? |
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| 12:19.02 | linduxed | oh wait... all the files are there, but it's not installed |
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| 12:19.09 | linduxed | what the hell... |
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| 12:19.50 | rvsjoen | i've got a .bin self-extracting archive, that when I run it whines about "package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)" from dpkg, which in all fairness is correct, since this is 64-bit. but is there any way I can unpack this .bin and run it with --force-architecture ? |
| 12:20.01 | berarma | linduxed: if you removed the package byt you didn't purge it /etc files remain there |
| 12:20.09 | berarma | s/byt/but/ |
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| 12:21.26 | linduxed | it seems so |
| 12:21.29 | berarma | totte: it isn't odd, if you want to purge mysql completely purge all its packages, mysql-server installs other packages as dependencies |
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| 12:22.21 | adac | hi guys. With adduser... how can I avoid that i get prompted for to add user information ? |
| 12:23.05 | movl | adac: useradd |
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| 12:23.47 | grmrgecko | adac: You could look at the parameters available by adduser --help |
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| 12:24.08 | grmrgecko | doesn't look like there is one for the password |
| 12:24.36 | grmrgecko | which useradd has one for that |
| 12:24.42 | adac | grmrgecko, for the apswrd ther is one: --disabled-password |
| 12:24.50 | rvsjoen | meh, i'll just debootstrap i386 in a folder and chroot to it |
| 12:25.33 | berarma | rvsjoen: there's no reason it refuses to unpack and run |
| 12:25.35 | adac | grmrgecko, however I still get: |
| 12:25.38 | adac | nter the new value, or press ENTER for the default |
| 12:25.38 | adac | Full Name []: |
| 12:25.39 | adac | .. |
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| 12:26.14 | grmrgecko | adac: type in useradd --help |
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| 12:26.41 | grmrgecko | basically it says you can do useradd -p PASSWORD USERNAME |
| 12:27.00 | rvsjoen | berarma: I have no idea why it doesnt work, the exact error is here http://pastebin.com/cV5PHTwZ |
| 12:27.31 | adac | grmrgecko, yeah but useradd has some disadvantages like you really have to configure on all its own |
| 12:27.40 | totte | berarma: Yeah I did "aptitude purge mysql-server mysql-common" but the /etc/mysql directory remains despite this. |
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| 12:28.03 | berarma | totte: isn't it empty? |
| 12:28.35 | berarma | rvsjoen: it's trying to install a deb package |
| 12:28.36 | grmrgecko | adac: If you want to make it so it's a active user you can login with, you need to mimic the settings of a real user |
| 12:28.41 | totte | berarma: Nah, there's still conf.d and debian.cnf in it. |
| 12:28.45 | rvsjoen | berarma: correct |
| 12:29.03 | grmrgecko | shell, home directory, and group |
| 12:29.10 | grmrgecko | from what I remember |
| 12:29.12 | rvsjoen | and if it would let me, I would pass --force-architecture to dpkg to make it install it, but I can't find a way to do that |
| 12:29.25 | rvsjoen | so i'm looking for a way to extract the .deb and install it manually |
| 12:29.43 | grmrgecko | adac: If you look into the --help of useradd, you can see how to do all of those. |
| 12:29.56 | adac | grmrgecko, ok |
| 12:30.05 | berarma | rvsjoen: I don't think it's a good idea to force it to install |
| 12:30.10 | grmrgecko | I do not know of a way to view the current user settings, but I'm sure someone in here can tell you. |
| 12:30.22 | berarma | you can extract it, though, and copy its contents to /usr/local |
| 12:30.27 | rvsjoen | it should run fine as long as I have the ia32libs |
| 12:30.32 | rvsjoen | how do I extract it ? |
| 12:30.40 | berarma | rvsjoen: well, that won't work most probably |
| 12:30.42 | rvsjoen | that's what i'm trying to figure out |
| 12:30.50 | berarma | rvsjoen: can you get the package in another form? |
| 12:31.13 | rvsjoen | I could try, but in any case this would be the backup solution |
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| 12:31.50 | wols | rvsjoen: haven't you checked the dpkg manpage yet? |
| 12:31.54 | berarma | if you could get a tar.gz package with the program maybe you could run it in your home, wihout compromising your system files |
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| 12:32.21 | wols | rvsjoen: man dpkg and there /extract |
| 12:32.29 | rvsjoen | .tar.gz aint going to happen, but if i'm lucky i'll find an x64 version |
| 12:32.34 | ani | Hello, I am working on header compression /decompression.I am able to compress all profiles except ESP/IP and TCP? Could any 1 share any links for the same |
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| 12:33.05 | berarma | rvsjoen: in case you can't make it work extractin the files in a secure way for your system, you can try the chroot solution |
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| 12:33.32 | rvsjoen | dpkg can't extract the .bin afaik |
| 12:33.32 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, rvsjoen |
| 12:33.36 | rvsjoen | he |
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| 12:34.29 | wols | a "self extracting" file is usually a shellscript together with the archive. run "less" on it |
| 12:34.47 | rvsjoen | ooh thats clever |
| 12:36.54 | rvsjoen | bingo |
| 12:36.56 | rvsjoen | thanks |
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| 12:38.52 | linduxed | is there a way to make icecast request a password to be able to connect to a stream? |
| 12:38.56 | rvsjoen | works like a charm with --force-architecture after extracting the .deb file |
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| 12:39.24 | funyun | hi. can anyone help me with upgrading from debian lenny to debian squeeze on my remote dedicated server? i'm a noob.. |
| 12:39.35 | rvsjoen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 12:39.36 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 12:39.40 | linduxed | as a client that is, it seems like all the passwords in the config file are for serverside stuff or for the web based frontend |
| 12:39.49 | totte | This is weeeiiird. It's as if aptitude is doing the configurations in the wrong order. http://pastebin.com/BvUB4ZSy |
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| 12:41.09 | funyun | rvsjoen: will i have any problems doing this remotely? my server is in another country |
| 12:42.00 | totte | mysql-server-5.1 contains the file "debian-start" that is needed... but it isn't created in /etc/mysql in time for the configurations to take place and halts aptitude. |
| 12:42.21 | berarma | totte: it seems like a second try might work |
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| 12:43.56 | totte | berarma: Funny thing is I get the same errors on a reinstallation attempt. |
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| 12:44.49 | totte | http://pastebin.com/NSEvu8Q6 |
| 12:44.55 | berarma | totte: squeeze? |
| 12:45.51 | berarma | totte: I didn't mean a reinstall, just try installing mysql-server a second time |
| 12:46.15 | totte | Squeeze/Sid, yeah. |
| 12:46.35 | berarma | totte: eh??? :S |
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| 12:47.34 | totte | Yeah... "cat /etc/debian_version" says "squeeze/sid". |
| 12:48.13 | totte | Install as in "aptitude install mysql-server"? Still the same errors. |
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| 12:48.37 | epsilon | totte: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 12:50.14 | totte | epsilon: http://pastebin.com/kzPsTWda |
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| 12:51.38 | andai | I need a GUI media player with a STEREO BALANCE option |
| 12:51.43 | funyun | hi. noob here. when installing squeeze, do i change the names of things like this? "apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" |
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| 12:51.47 | andai | that can run multiple instances and play internet radio streams |
| 12:51.53 | funyun | or do i enter them exactly like that? |
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| 12:52.44 | syslq | andai: vlc? |
| 12:52.59 | andai | syslq: No? |
| 12:53.09 | syslq | k |
| 12:53.09 | andai | :P |
| 12:53.12 | syslq | :) |
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| 12:53.28 | andai | i was expecting VLC, at least, to support it, but no: forums: "Nobody seems to need this function" |
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| 12:53.40 | wols | funyun: exactly like that |
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| 12:53.48 | funyun | wols: thanks |
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| 12:54.15 | wols | andai: which function do you mean? |
| 12:54.28 | andai | wols I want to listen to one track on each ear |
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| 12:54.44 | andai | preferably not 100% to one side, but that's OK if it's the only way ( VLC doesn't even support that ) |
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| 12:55.35 | wols | andai: I think alsa does |
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| 12:55.45 | wols | check out some mixer(s) maybe? |
| 12:55.59 | andai | wols: Can I tell alsa to channel different instances of VLC thru different ears? :P |
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| 12:56.55 | dFence | hey guys, is it possible to completely disable the keyboard in X and also stop the Xserver probing for one? (I don't have the -kb command-line option) |
| 12:57.55 | funyun | wols: when i try, i get "E: Couldn't find package linux-image-grs-ipv6-64" |
| 12:57.58 | wols | andai: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/advaudio-channels.html |
| 12:58.15 | wols | funyun: uname -a and: are you using a VPS? |
| 12:58.31 | adac | what would be a common command to find out if an user exists? |
| 12:58.40 | funyun | wols: "Linux ns213451.ovh.net 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri Sep 17 16:06:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux" |
| 12:58.50 | funyun | wols: VPS? |
| 12:58.52 | wols | adac: getent passwd <username> |
| 12:59.16 | wols | funyun: what exact debian version do you run? |
| 12:59.25 | wols | funyun: and where did you get your current kernel from? |
| 12:59.26 | adac | wols thank you a lot |
| 12:59.50 | funyun | wols: i'm using Lenny. the kernel i'm using was custom built for this dedicated server |
| 13:00.18 | wols | funyun: uname -a |
| 13:00.32 | funyun | wols: Linux ns213451.ovh.net 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri Sep 17 16:06:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:00.51 | wols | funyun: if you want you can keep this kernel for squeeze |
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| 13:01.12 | grmrgecko | where is the gdm scripts? |
| 13:01.21 | wols | grmrgecko: what scripts? |
| 13:01.31 | grmrgecko | the genome display manager |
| 13:01.33 | funyun | wols: i'm not positive what a kernel even is. would the recommended kernel be better? |
| 13:01.48 | grmrgecko | I need to add x11vnc to it so it'll start vnc at startup |
| 13:01.49 | wols | grmrgecko: gdm is a gcc compiled binary. not a script. so again: what scripts? |
| 13:01.59 | funyun | wols: and is it difficult to install? |
| 13:02.12 | grmrgecko | wols: www.google.com/#hl=en&q=gdm&fp=1&cad=b |
| 13:02.21 | grmrgecko | google says gnome display manager. |
| 13:02.36 | wols | funyun: why do you run a custom kernel when you don't have a clue how it all works? where do you get security updates for it? |
| 13:02.48 | grmrgecko | I know they run scripts after startup |
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| 13:02.52 | corecode | hi |
| 13:02.58 | grmrgecko | for things that needs to start that needs gnome |
| 13:03.09 | wols | !autostart |
| 13:03.18 | corecode | alioth.debian.org specifies a wrong path for cvs access |
| 13:03.29 | funyun | wols: it's just what came with the dedicated server. i bought it from ovh.co.uk. they set it up this way for all dedicated servers |
| 13:03.45 | corecode | for example, https://alioth.debian.org/scm/?group_id=30060 talks about :pserver:anonymous@anonscm.debian.org:/pkg-goodies-el, but it should be :pserver:anonymous@anonscm.debian.org:/cvs/pkg-goodies-el |
| 13:03.47 | daemonkeeper | corecode: You may want to report problems to #alioth on OFTC. |
| 13:03.53 | corecode | ah ok |
| 13:04.20 | daemonkeeper | (and I'm surprised there /are/ CVS repositories left) |
| 13:04.24 | corecode | yea |
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| 13:04.27 | corecode | me too |
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| 13:06.00 | grmrgecko | wols: It is at /etc/gdm3/Init/Default. |
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| 13:07.34 | halcyforn | hello where i can download debian etch i need forr old computer duron 800 Mhz 128 mb ram |
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| 13:08.07 | epsilon | look around on archive.debian.org |
| 13:08.08 | pharvey | holy kworker eating all my CPU and sanity, batman |
| 13:09.23 | Cain | Hi, after installing some packages via aptitude i got this line on the bottom : N: Ignoring file '20recommends' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension, this file is to prevent debian from auto-install recommended packages : http://pastebin.com/GXtxer32, now aptitude ignores that file ? |
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| 13:13.17 | movl | halcyforn: squeeze with lxde will work ok |
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| 13:13.33 | movl | and you get a supported , up-to-date version |
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| 13:14.01 | halcyforn | movl dont work all |
| 13:14.11 | pharvey | anybody else having issues with 2.6.39-2-amd64 ? constant freezing, kworker/0:1 using up 50% CPU |
| 13:14.15 | movl | halcyforn: ? |
| 13:14.27 | halcyforn | in instalation i have error |
| 13:14.52 | halcyforn | moment i translate error |
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| 13:15.17 | stew | Cain: you wanted /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ not sources.list.d |
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| 13:15.25 | movl | halcyforn: ok |
| 13:15.33 | halcyforn | not search good to instalation kernel in sources APT |
| 13:15.38 | grmrgecko | So how many times have I asked a question in here and answered it myself... |
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| 13:16.25 | spow | Hi, I followed a howto to install debian on a compact flash. I'm trying to boot it but grub says 'unknown command kernel' or 'unknown command find'. Did I wrongly install grub ? |
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| 13:18.03 | Cain | Stew : right ! but, i always make the same mistake and put it on /etc/sources.list.d/ and feel that works ? (i keep seeing the line that those paclages are recommended but they will not be installed kind of) |
| 13:18.12 | Cain | (on lenny servers) |
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| 13:18.49 | halcyforn | hmm how to fix this instalation ? |
| 13:18.55 | stew | Cain: that sounds strange to me |
| 13:19.05 | halcyforn | i must instal another distribution if i dont rpeair that |
| 13:19.30 | movl | halcyforn: what is the exact error message? |
| 13:19.32 | vooze | Hey, when i try to import an .sql databse i get the following error: #1007 - Can't create database 'voozeblog'; database exists.. how do i overwrite this? |
| 13:19.42 | rvsjoen | drop the old one first |
| 13:19.44 | vooze | (in phpmyadmin) |
| 13:20.22 | halcyforn | nie odnaleziono zdolnego do instalacji jÄ
dra w podanych źrudÅach APT |
| 13:20.28 | stew | vooze: either drop the old one first or remove the create database statement from the sql file (assuming it drops tables before creating them) |
| 13:20.33 | movl | halcyforn: polish? |
| 13:20.41 | movl | you might try #debian-pl |
| 13:20.50 | vooze | stew, i just import from a file |
| 13:20.58 | stew | vooze: yes, i understood that |
| 13:21.10 | funyun | hi. when i try to install squeeze, i get "E: Couldn't find package linux-image-grs-ipv6-64". can anyone help me? |
| 13:21.20 | halcyforn | thx i cant find pl channel |
| 13:21.34 | funyun | i get that error when i type "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" |
| 13:22.02 | monk | is there a repo for world of padman? |
| 13:22.07 | stew | funyun: that instruction was assuming you were running a debian kernel. you seem to be running a non-debian kernel or a custom kernel of some kind |
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| 13:22.39 | funyun | stew: yes. can you help me with installing the kernel i am supposed to be using? |
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| 13:22.54 | stew | funyun: why do you have the custom kernel? |
| 13:23.12 | stew | funyun: are you able to use a stock debian kernel? |
| 13:23.17 | movl | halcyforn: http://www.debian.org/international/Polish/ ; sorry, it's #debian.pl |
| 13:23.20 | funyun | stew: it's a remote dedicated server i'm running. this is how it came :( |
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| 13:23.41 | funyun | stew: i'm not sure. i should be able to |
| 13:23.58 | stew | funyun: what does "uname -m" return? |
| 13:24.12 | stew | funyun: or perhaps "uname -a" is better |
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| 13:24.14 | funyun | stew: Linux ns213451.ovh.net 2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #3 SMP Fri Sep 17 16:06:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 13:24.49 | stew | funyun: then perhaps you don't need to install a kernel, that one should work |
| 13:25.02 | stew | funyun: you just need to get to a kernel >= 2.6.32 |
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| 13:25.41 | funyun | stew: oh i see. can you help me with that? |
| 13:25.53 | stew | funyun: help you with not installing a kernel? |
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| 13:26.01 | stew | funyun: apt-get install udev |
| 13:26.05 | funyun | stew: oh lol. read wrong, sorry |
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| 13:26.20 | stew | funyun: the line you tried and failed with would have had you running "apt-get install linux-image-amd64 udev" |
| 13:26.36 | stew | (which would get you a 2.6.32 kernel) |
| 13:26.43 | sopparus | hello |
| 13:26.59 | funyun | stew: i see. so now all i have to do is reboot and "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 13:27.15 | ayambit | When building an fs in debian I get ext_attr in Filsystem features by default, how do I get rid of it? |
| 13:27.23 | stew | funyun: have you successfully run "apt-get upgrade" already? |
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| 13:27.31 | funyun | stew: yes |
| 13:27.49 | stew | then, yes, hopefully just "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 13:27.58 | pablo | why are there packages on sid and stable but not yet on testing? |
| 13:28.02 | sopparus | im trying to make this output with a sh script, ("Kathy McCord,"I'll Never Be Alone Agai n"). That is $ALBUM, $TITLE info, anyway i can't work it out! im trying stuff like (\"$TITLE\",\"$ALBUM\") but i either get an error or some error |
| 13:28.04 | funyun | stew: alright. thank you :) |
| 13:28.14 | vooze | stew, okay i deleted the create database line, but now i get the following: import.php: Missing parameter: import_type + format |
| 13:28.49 | stew | vooze: sounds like a bug in whatever .php page you are trying to use |
| 13:29.27 | jaakkos | pablo: there can be eg. dependency problems. |
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| 13:30.08 | pablo | hm ok |
| 13:30.29 | zref | this is my moment |
| 13:30.42 | jaakkos | pablo: this happened eg. to backuppc some time ago. i set my repo to unstable, did apt-get update and installed (only) backuppc from the unstable repo, then changed sources.list back to testing. |
| 13:30.47 | colo-work | sopparus, try `printf '("%s","%s")\n" "${ALBUM}" "${TITLE}"` |
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| 13:31.50 | stew | pablo: packages which are buggy can be removed from testing |
| 13:31.57 | pablo | I'd rather avoid that. In my case it will pull a lot of packages from sid |
| 13:32.13 | stew | pablo: you really should not do that without backporting: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:32.32 | stew | pablo: check http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename to see why a package is not in testing |
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| 13:32.36 | funyun | stew: do i first have to change my sources list to squeeze? because when i type "apt-get dist-upgrade", i get "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 13:33.12 | stew | funyun: you should have done that as part of 4.3.1 |
| 13:33.51 | pablo | stew: yep, I checked it, thanks |
| 13:33.52 | funyun | stew: 4.3.1? |
| 13:34.11 | stew | funyun: are you following chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes? |
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| 13:34.52 | funyun | stew: no. i'm following the instructions someone in this channgel gave me for lenny->squeeze |
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| 13:35.05 | funyun | stew: msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 13:35.07 | funyun | those |
| 13:35.20 | stew | "Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze" |
| 13:35.56 | stew | anyway, 4.3.1 of the squeeze release notes covers this in more detail |
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| 13:36.10 | funyun | stew: oh okay. so just change all lenny words to squeeze? |
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| 13:37.31 | voltagex | I have 5 debian systems of varying architectures - what's the best way to keep them all up to date and manage installed packages from a central location? |
| 13:37.59 | stew | voltagex: puppet |
| 13:38.17 | stew | with somehting like nagios to tell you when they need updates |
| 13:38.37 | pharvey | damn, my last dist-upgrade rendered my notebook useless |
| 13:38.41 | stew | funyun: perhaps. see 4.3.1 for more detailed instructions |
| 13:39.32 | pharvey | wonders if /proc/irq/41/spurious count 80307 is normal |
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| 13:42.17 | dFence | compiling gtk == major pain in the ass >_< |
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| 13:44.27 | nvz | The only thing I see wrong here is the APSM being disabled... yet my wifi doesn't work at all, no scanning, wont associate with an unsecured AP.. nada http://paste.debian.net/123345/ |
| 13:46.37 | nvz | I'd grab a new kernel but that may take awhile on this damn cell phone.. heh |
| 13:46.49 | nvz | I'd think this would work with thee squeeze kernel |
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| 13:47.12 | jhutchins_lt | ,atheros |
| 13:47.22 | jhutchins_lt | !atheros |
| 13:47.22 | dpkg | Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k>. For USB WiFi support, ask me about <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1c>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 13:47.28 | jhutchins_lt | !ath5k |
| 13:47.29 | dpkg | ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCIe device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
| 13:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 13:48.17 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 13:48.37 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Looks like it should just work. Perhaps the AP is down? |
| 13:49.07 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: na, even trying to do adhoc it choaks |
| 13:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | Could be bad hardware. |
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| 13:49.52 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: gives me SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 when I try give it an IP |
| 13:49.54 | xok | hello all... |
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| 13:50.12 | xok | does anybody know what name debian uses for tux httpd?... |
| 13:50.13 | nvz | maybe I should turn it off, flip it over and make sure that damn card is in the pci slot.. heh coulda popped out |
| 13:50.20 | xok | I can't find it in my system... |
| 13:50.29 | xok | I'm talking about kHTTPd.... |
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| 13:50.35 | xok | kernel based httpd daemon... |
| 13:51.24 | nvz | goes to find a screwdriver |
| 13:51.59 | pharvey | argh, it's the wlagn wifi driver |
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| 14:00.36 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 14:07.44 | volkan | hii may i ask question about /shadow |
| 14:07.49 | Black_Prince | !ask |
| 14:07.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:08.14 | volkan | ok |
| 14:08.22 | pablo | hi, memtest fails for me. while using the pae kernel the system crashes, is there any kernel parameter to avoid pae detecting 4gb of ram (part of which might not be working correctly) |
| 14:08.55 | volkan | i have 2 user with same password. but there is no same string in /etc/shadow. why? |
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| 14:09.23 | calkiot | Im having trouble getting hardware acceleration working. |
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| 14:09.55 | pipeline | pablo: if memtest fails, you have a hardware problem that you should fix. I don't know how to exclude certain memory ranges while continuing to use pae. |
| 14:10.08 | pipeline | calkiot: What sort of card do you have ? |
| 14:10.35 | rozie | pablo: there are ways to disable certain memory ranges |
| 14:10.49 | pablo | pipeline: not necessarily mem problems? hardware problems |
| 14:11.19 | pipeline | pablo: it could be the memory itself, or the memory controller, or the (physical) memory bus, on the motherboard. |
| 14:11.19 | calkiot | xorg.0.log file says it's an intel 865g |
| 14:11.26 | pipeline | pablo: it's most likely to be the memory |
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| 14:11.31 | rozie | take a look on http://rozie.blox.pl/2010/01/Jak-bezpiecznie-korzystac-z-uszkodzonej-pamieci.html (PL, so use google translate) |
| 14:11.40 | rozie | I guess you will understand most commands |
| 14:11.41 | pipeline | calkiot: OK, that should be pretty straightforward. Is X11 working at all? |
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| 14:12.37 | calkiot | X is running in software mode so i guess |
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| 14:14.19 | pablo | pipeline: thanks |
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| 14:14.32 | pablo | rozie: how do I disable mem ranges? |
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| 14:15.15 | rozie | pablo: in short memmap kernel parameter |
| 14:15.31 | sopparus | colo-work: i get ./lame: no closing quote |
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| 14:15.35 | rozie | read some docs |
| 14:15.41 | jhutchins_lt | pablo: Why not use a non-pae kernel? |
| 14:16.10 | rozie | and you have example in the link above who to disable 2MB at specified position |
| 14:16.22 | calkiot | Anyone...My problem? |
| 14:16.35 | pablo | jhutchins_lt: because there is no such |
| 14:16.36 | sopparus | colo-work: here is complete script http://pastebin.com/6ZseRvBx (its very short) |
| 14:16.41 | colo-work | sopparus, you get that when trying what? |
| 14:16.53 | pablo | jhutchins_lt: non pae kernel was deprecated |
| 14:16.54 | sopparus | colo-work: executing that script |
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| 14:17.12 | colo-work | sopparus, drop the backticks from the printf statement |
| 14:17.17 | colo-work | `` are not supposed to be in there |
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| 14:17.39 | pablo | rozie: sysctl -a | grep memmap there is no such param |
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| 14:17.56 | sopparus | colo-work: then i get ./lame[14]: syntax error: `"%s","%s"' unexpected |
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| 14:18.00 | sopparus | what is %s btw? |
| 14:18.12 | calkiot | string? |
| 14:18.20 | sopparus | ok |
| 14:18.29 | barf | string, string |
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| 14:19.20 | colo-work | sopparus, use #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh as the script's interpreter |
| 14:19.25 | helo | i have eth0 dhcp, and eth0:0 static on the same network... i have allow-hotplug eth0:0 and auto eth0:0, but the iface doesn't come up on init |
| 14:19.27 | colo-work | oh, and I introduced a typo it seems |
| 14:19.32 | colo-work | correct the line so that it reads |
| 14:19.39 | colo-work | printf '("%s","%s")\n' "${ALBUM}" "${TITLE}" |
| 14:19.51 | stew | helo: if you want them both to come up at boot, set them both to auto |
| 14:20.00 | helo | stew: they are :/ |
| 14:20.01 | colo-work | %s is a format-string component, a placeholder for a string |
| 14:20.24 | stew | helo: do you have "auto eth0" there? |
| 14:20.34 | helo | yeah, both are auto and allow-hotplug |
| 14:20.45 | stew | helo: does eth0 come up? |
| 14:20.53 | helo | yes |
| 14:21.01 | helo | and i can do "ifup eth0:0" to get it to come up |
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| 14:21.31 | stew | helo: i'd make all the eth0:0 stuff appear after all the eth0 stuf, if it doesn't already |
| 14:21.32 | helo | etch *hides* |
| 14:21.44 | helo | yeah, it is in that order |
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| 14:21.49 | stew | but for that matter, I'd not bother with eth0:0 and just assign more addresses to eth0 |
| 14:21.50 | sopparus | colo-work: if i change to bash i get ./lame: line 14: syntax error near unexpected token `"%s","%s"' ./lame: line 14: `printf ("%s","%s")\n" "${ALBUM}" "${TITLE}"' the line is now printf ("%s","%s")\n" "${ALBUM}" "${TITLE}" |
| 14:22.02 | helo | orly... |
| 14:22.39 | helo | so i can put one (or more) "address ..." lines after even an "iface eth0 inet dhcp"? |
| 14:22.40 | colo-work | printf '("%s","%s")\n' "${ALBUM}" "${TITLE}" |
| 14:22.43 | colo-work | is what you want |
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| 14:22.49 | colo-work | not printf ("%s","%s")\n" "${ALBUM}" "${TITLE}" |
| 14:22.52 | colo-work | or anything like it |
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| 14:23.31 | helo | interfaces(5) doesn't indicate as much... |
| 14:23.57 | stew | helo: up ip addr a 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0 |
| 14:24.25 | ohry | remember to , |
| 14:24.26 | helo | ah ok |
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| 14:24.43 | helo | learn something noob every day... thanks :) |
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| 14:24.57 | stew | helo: this requires the iproute package to be installed |
| 14:25.36 | calkiot | anyone found out anything about my problem >.> |
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| 14:27.05 | helo | calkiot: you'll generally get a reply before your question scrolls off, or never :/ |
| 14:27.35 | Soothsayer | How do I provide write access to all files created by www-data to my default user? |
| 14:27.52 | calkiot | darn..thanx anyway, I guess the Ubuntu channel will give me some answers? |
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| 14:28.51 | BrixSat | hello every body |
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| 14:29.55 | stew | jetscreamer: did you receive onjoin spam? |
| 14:30.04 | sopparus | colo-work: thanks alot! anyway, those %ALBUM% etc i get the info from is sometimes Artist instead of ARTIST.. any idea how i should make bash not care about lower or upper cases? |
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| 14:30.21 | BrixSat | stew: yes |
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| 14:30.38 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 14:30.44 | colo-work | sopparus, can you nopaste sample data for me to look at? |
| 14:30.53 | Bushmills | sopparus: a=FooBar; echo ${a,,} |
| 14:30.57 | BrixSat | i have debian squeeze and i have installed the gnome-disk-utils but i cant runnit |
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| 14:31.00 | colo-work | or better yet, a high-level description of what you're actually trying to do? |
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| 14:31.23 | johnfg | Been having an unexpected crashing of evolution, with lenny, every time I go to print an email. |
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| 14:31.39 | johnfg | It's only started about a week r so ago. |
| 14:32.42 | sopparus | colo-work: http://nopaste.info/ae2f640a1c.html, It appears that the tags in the differents flacs something has ARTIST and sometimes Artist etc |
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| 14:33.34 | colo-work | I see, and you just evaluate that output to initialize variables according to the output of that program? |
| 14:33.50 | colo-work | I wouldn't do that, but rather properly and safely parse it |
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| 14:34.52 | balboah | I'm following this "build deb from source" guide, but debchange doesn't seem to exist anymore, what's the proper way to change package version? |
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| 14:34.59 | BrixSat | how do i see the gnome disk utility if it is installed (and reinstaled) and i dont have it in the menu neither i can run it on root shell (command not found gnome-disk-util) |
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| 14:36.46 | BrixSat | hello..... |
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| 14:37.21 | balboah | ah it's just a changelog thing |
| 14:37.41 | sopparus | colo-work: that was my plan yes.. im not very good at this. How do you mean parse it? sed? what im trying to do is read alot of .flacs and put the metadata into mysql |
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| 14:38.16 | stew | balboah: dch is probably the most commonly used. both dch and debchange are in the devscripts pacakge |
| 14:38.28 | balboah | stew: thanks |
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| 14:39.42 | colo-work | sopparus, you should probably look at Python - more specifically, mutagen. |
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| 14:39.57 | colo-work | http://code.google.com/p/mutagen/ |
| 14:41.08 | BrixSat | why do i get this bash: gnome-disk-utility: command not found but program is installed? |
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| 14:42.25 | stew | BrixSat: the gnome-disk-utility does not appear to install any command line utilities |
| 14:42.26 | Bushmills | because the name of the program is not gnome-disk-utility. the name of the package is |
| 14:42.47 | stew | ah, perhaps it does, my mistake |
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| 14:43.09 | stew | gnome-disk-utility: /usr/bin/palimpsest <- is the only thing in /usr/bin | /usr/sbin ; don't know what that does though |
| 14:43.19 | BrixSat | stew: neither on menus i have it |
| 14:43.37 | Bushmills | and there seem to be more executables in /usr/lib/gnome-disk-utility |
| 14:43.58 | stew | and if they are in /usr/lib, they should not be for the end-user, but for some other application to use |
| 14:44.35 | BrixSat | they are not |
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| 14:47.51 | BrixSat | stew: on that folder i have only the gdu-format-tool |
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| 14:58.46 | danols | hi all this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626227 says to install geoip-database-contrib but I don't have it in my package list |
| 14:58.55 | danols | do I have to enable contrib sources ? |
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| 15:00.32 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell danols about contrib |
| 15:00.36 | stew | judd: versions geoip-database-contrib |
| 15:00.37 | judd | Package geoip-database-contrib on i386 -- sid/contrib: 1.4; wheezy/contrib: 1.4 |
| 15:00.44 | stew | danols: its in contrib, and only in testing/unstable |
| 15:01.32 | wols | Grav1: set LANG=C |
| 15:03.03 | netrix01 | i've got 2 sata drives in my laptop using a bios raid 0 and installed debian with dmraid=true because otherwise grub wouldn't install, i can boot the system to the point where i have to hit ctrl-D but then i have to manually mount /dev/dm-8 /home, /dev/dm-7 /tmp, /dev/dm-6 /var, /dev/dm-5 /usr everytime i boot into it, any clues on how to fix this? |
| 15:03.12 | danols | stew: hi stew |
| 15:03.41 | danols | stew: I added deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze contrib but still I don't see this package http://packages.debian.org/unstable/geoip-database-contrib |
| 15:03.47 | danols | could you please advise |
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| 15:05.09 | stew | danols: yes, as i said, its only in testing/unstable, not in squeeze, although I rarely recommend this, you could probably cherry pick a package from testing/unstable because it has simple dependencies |
| 15:05.56 | danols | stew: I understand so it should |
| 15:05.56 | danols | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable contrib |
| 15:06.18 | stew | danols: no, don't do that, just download the package and install it with dpkg -i |
| 15:06.23 | danols | I have pining defined that unstable is only installed IF i select it in aptitude so I should be safe |
| 15:06.23 | Arrowmaster | !ssb |
| 15:06.23 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:06.28 | Arrowmaster | try doing that |
| 15:06.35 | danols | I have debian-backports setup |
| 15:06.45 | danols | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 15:07.02 | stew | sure you can backport it, that's the operation which is safer in genreal. in this case backporting will not change the package |
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| 15:07.12 | stew | danols: its not in squeeze-backports |
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| 15:07.38 | danols | will it be moved to squeeze contrib eventually ? |
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| 15:08.05 | stew | danols: certainly not, squeeze was frozen almost a year ago |
| 15:08.20 | danols | also in aptitude is there an easy way to determine if a package is from contrib or main ? |
| 15:08.26 | danols | the only way I found it is through pining |
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| 15:10.15 | wols | what has pinning to do with finding out where some package is from? the only way you can know is by checking version numbers |
| 15:10.32 | wols | a package you installed from testing a month ago could have a totally different version number now in testing |
| 15:10.34 | danols | wols: I don't know that's why I'm asking |
| 15:10.57 | adac | what is the standard shell in debian? |
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| 15:11.03 | adac | bash right? |
| 15:11.06 | wols | " < danols> the only way I found it is through pining" so you did "know", even when your knowledge is nonsensical |
| 15:11.23 | wols | adac: yes, for normal users by default |
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| 15:11.33 | danols | wols: no I mean the only way I can distinguish squeeze from unstable is through pining |
| 15:11.38 | karlpinc_ | adac: For login users bash, otherwise dash. |
| 15:11.48 | wols | danols: that is totally bogus |
| 15:11.48 | danols | I have it so it tells me the pin number next to version number - 100 for unstable 500 for squeeze |
| 15:11.59 | danols | wols: no it's not |
| 15:12.27 | wols | it is. what do you think "pining" (sic) is? |
| 15:12.54 | wols | running apt-cache policy is not "pining" |
| 15:13.10 | adac | danols, wols thank you |
| 15:13.38 | xok | do we have kHTTPd available on Debian?... |
| 15:13.50 | xok | I'm talking about kernel HTTP daemon... |
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| 15:14.07 | karlpinc_ | xok: You could try using apt-file to find it. |
| 15:14.09 | danols | wols: I don't say I know how this apt-get works - but this setup tells me visually if it's squeeze or unstable http://dpaste.com/571456/ |
| 15:14.25 | wols | and as I said, packages in unstable and testing change, so you can't really go by it. and it doesn't tell you if you got your stuff from a 3rd party repo or a official debian one, at least not when the version number has changed since then or the repo is not in your sources.list anymore |
| 15:14.30 | danols | and by default install squeeze - but I can select the unstable version in a rare situation - (ex django) |
| 15:14.41 | danols | anywho |
| 15:14.50 | jhutchins_lt | !frankendebian |
| 15:15.29 | wols | danols: you can do that, yes. you can also shoot yourself in your foot. twice. what you probably did when installing straight djanog frm unstable |
| 15:15.37 | danols | I need to install geoip-database-contrib I would like to do it in such a way that if I run a system update it also gets updated |
| 15:16.03 | danols | wols: and you can keep telling me how YOU would do things |
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| 15:17.11 | xok | karlpinc_: there are tons such utilities... |
| 15:17.27 | xok | I've tried all of the without any luck... |
| 15:17.29 | xok | that's why I'm asking it here... |
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| 15:17.49 | xok | *all of them* |
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| 15:17.55 | wols | danols: you could pin the package in this case if the dependencies are benign |
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| 15:18.14 | karlpinc_ | xok: If the file is named "xhttpd" and it's not found with apt-file then it's not in debian. |
| 15:18.18 | wols | but pinning doesn't _show_ you stuff. that's something different |
| 15:18.40 | xok | karlpinc_: you have no idea what are you talking about... :-) |
| 15:18.48 | xok | ok never mind, thanks anyway... |
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| 15:20.49 | danols | ok I got it figured out |
| 15:20.50 | danols | than you all |
| 15:21.00 | danols | there is NO dependencies for this unstable package |
| 15:22.11 | efef | xok: i thought khttpd was gone in 2.6 kernels |
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| 15:23.03 | efef | xok: it was a hack on 2.4 which is no longer needed on 2.6, doesn't look like the homepage has been updated since it was removed from the kenrel |
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| 15:27.14 | rahsputin | hi. is the any such thing as a consolebased .rtf viewer/editor ? |
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| 15:28.24 | petemc | strings file.rtf would allow you to see the text contained within, no formatting tho |
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| 15:29.18 | rahsputin | thanx petemc |
| 15:29.25 | p3rror | i try to create a tap device using tunctl |
| 15:29.29 | p3rror | and i get an error |
| 15:29.30 | p3rror | TUNSETIFF: Device or resource busy |
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| 15:30.38 | Bushmills | p3rror, strange - i don't |
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| 15:32.49 | petemc | biff does mail notifications |
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| 15:33.44 | Lenin_Cat | I need notification for my network and battery |
| 15:33.48 | Lenin_Cat | thats all |
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| 15:35.02 | babilen | Lenin_Cat: Bunch of people use conky -- can also be combined with rcdzen |
| 15:35.43 | stew | Lenin_Cat: are you using X? or from a tty? |
| 15:35.51 | Lenin_Cat | stew, X |
| 15:36.00 | babilen | Lenin_Cat: dzen that is :) |
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| 15:36.28 | Lenin_Cat | alright thanks all, Ill look into these |
| 15:36.38 | Bushmills | Lenin_Cat: usb lcds may be useful. |
| 15:36.40 | somiaj | xosview is a simple system monintor if you want graphical bars |
| 15:37.09 | Bushmills | Lenin_Cat: there's a daemon to update what text is sent to it. can be result of periodically running a command, for example |
| 15:37.30 | babilen | Lenin_Cat: I use http://paste.debian.net/123357/ and pipe that into dzen -- The icons are from http://dzen.geekmode.org/dwiki/doku.php?id=dzen:icon-packs |
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| 15:38.56 | Lenin_Cat | Ill have to code a little here. :P Which I dont like doing |
| 15:38.57 | Lenin_Cat | :P |
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| 15:45.31 | laughzilla_ | hi :) on debian 6 ... how can uninstall dovecot in order to reinstall it with the proper vpopmail driver? when i try apt-get remove dovecot ... it says it can't remove various virtual aliases like 'dovecot' and then it doesn't remove anything. same with make deinstall dovecot and aptitude. |
| 15:46.14 | jhutchins_lt | laughzilla_: How did you install it? |
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| 15:48.19 | laughzilla_ | jhutchins_lt - actually i installed the current version with APT |
| 15:49.02 | somiaj | laughzilla_: from which repo? offical debian stable? IF so you should check the bts.... |
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| 15:49.30 | laughzilla_ | from some official repository, i suppose. i just issued the apt-get install dovecot command |
| 15:49.44 | laughzilla_ | what's a bts? |
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| 15:51.59 | jhutchins_lt | laughzilla_: Do dpkg -l dovecot* and see what it tells you. |
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| 15:52.10 | jhutchins_lt | laughzilla_: Bug Tracking System |
| 15:52.16 | somiaj | bug tracking system -- bugs.debian.org -- jsut because you used apt, doens't mean you are using offical repos in sources.list |
| 15:53.07 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: It's likely he does though. |
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| 15:53.20 | jhutchins_lt | laughzilla_: Did you run the dpkg command? |
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| 15:54.02 | jhutchins_lt | is getting ready to leave, if laughzilla_ wants help he'd better respond. |
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| 15:54.35 | laughzilla_ | ok |
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| 15:55.10 | laughzilla_ | i ran it |
| 15:55.14 | laughzilla_ | where do u want me to paste it? |
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| 15:55.40 | laughzilla_ | there, pm to you jhutchins_lt |
| 15:55.43 | babilen | laughzilla_: http://paste.debian.net please |
| 15:55.47 | laughzilla_ | ok |
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| 15:56.14 | laughzilla_ | http://paste.debian.net/123361/ |
| 15:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | laughzilla_: You can see that dovecot isn't actually installed, it's not a real package. You can uninstall whichever of the three sub-components you need. |
| 15:56.59 | jhutchins_lt | l8r |
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| 15:57.01 | laughzilla_ | but how ? when i try, it says it can't remove them. |
| 15:57.07 | laughzilla_ | thanks and l8r jutchins_lt |
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| 15:58.57 | FransWillem | Hi, did anyone else notice the nvidia-glx package is broken in wheezy/testing ? |
| 15:59.06 | stew | laughzilla_: dovecot IS installed, don't be confused by that dpkg command |
| 15:59.25 | stew | laughzilla_: dovecot is the name of the source package, there isn't an actual binary package named "dovecot" |
| 16:00.15 | stew | laughzilla_: so if you are trying to remove the dovecot pop server, remove dovecot-imapd, if you want to remove all of dovecot, remove dovecot-common |
| 16:00.21 | laughzilla_ | yes stew - that's from the older version that was installed from source. right now i can't seem to unintsall or remove any of them. |
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| 16:00.56 | stew | laughzilla_: are you trying to remove all of dovecot? |
| 16:00.58 | laughzilla_ | doing apt-get remove dovecot-common did not remove anything. it just said there were problems with the other packages, and it did not remove anything. |
| 16:00.59 | laughzilla_ | yes |
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| 16:01.08 | wols | FransWillem: yes, everyone did for weeks now. #debian-next on oftc |
| 16:01.09 | stew | laughzilla_: show us the output in a pastebin |
| 16:01.10 | laughzilla_ | i want to do a fresh install of it, with vpopmail support |
| 16:01.15 | laughzilla_ | ok stew |
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| 16:01.48 | FransWillem | wols: Don't suppose there's any known workarounds ? |
| 16:02.27 | laughzilla_ | stew - http://paste.debian.net/123362/ |
| 16:02.27 | wols | FransWillem: install from sid |
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| 16:02.35 | lamah | how can i import gpg key? |
| 16:02.40 | lamah | gpg --import |
| 16:02.41 | babilen | FransWillem: There are, come over to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is a specific channel for wheezy/sid users and problems |
| 16:02.53 | lamah | for debian mozilla sync |
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| 16:03.28 | stew | laughzilla_: you might short-circuit your init script for dovecot by putting "exit 0" as the first line just for now to make these errors go away ; remove the exit 0 line when you are done |
| 16:03.44 | stew | laughzilla_: (or consider purging instead which would also remove the init script) |
| 16:03.49 | laughzilla_ | what exit 0 ? |
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| 16:04.13 | stew | laughzilla_: telling the script to exit with success |
| 16:04.20 | wols | lamah: the website for newer iceweasel versions tells you exactly how to add these keys |
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| 16:04.34 | laughzilla_ | ie: apt-get remove dovecot-common exit 0 ??? |
| 16:04.40 | stew | laughzilla_: no |
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| 16:05.00 | laughzilla_ | so how ? |
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| 16:05.23 | stew | laughzilla_: the thing that is failing to execute properly is /etc/init.d/dovecot-pop3d ; it looks like it fails because you removed some essential files. i'm saying that instead of fixing it, just edit this script so it always exits sucessfully |
| 16:05.39 | stew | laughzilla_: since it seems silly to fix the script that starts a service when you are just rying to remove the service |
| 16:06.09 | stew | laughzilla_: however, note that you should revert your edit after it is removed so that if you ever reinstall dovecot-pop3d, it will actually try to start again |
| 16:06.20 | laughzilla_ | ok stew so in the dovecot-pop3d file i should add a line "exit 0" ?? where do i put the exit 0? sorry i just never heard of that before. |
| 16:06.42 | stew | laughzilla_: the second line of the file |
| 16:06.48 | laughzilla_ | ah ok |
| 16:06.50 | laughzilla_ | trying it |
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| 16:07.19 | laughzilla_ | i will want to reinstall dovecot after i remove it, i just will want to add vpopmail support for it, so that i can access my emails properly (because they are in vpopmail) |
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| 16:07.29 | stew | laughzilla_: do you have site specific configuration in any of the dovecot packages? like, have you changed any of their configuration files in ways that you would care if you lost? |
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| 16:08.01 | lamah | wols: yes but i have import the key but gives me NO_PUBKEY on apt-get update? |
| 16:08.25 | laughzilla_ | i have no file at /etc/init.d/dovecot-pop3d ... i just have /etc/init.d/dovecot |
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| 16:08.56 | anoob | hi i have an amd am3... which kernel version should i use? |
| 16:09.03 | stew | laughzilla_: that's the one then |
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| 16:09.06 | laughzilla_ | stew i have not managed to make dovecot work since i installed it so i can always reconfigure it fresh (that would be best actually). |
| 16:09.07 | wols | lamah: did you read the WHOLE site's description or only the wget -O- -q http://mozilla.debian.net/archive.asc | gpg --import part? |
| 16:09.16 | laughzilla_ | ok i'll add that exit 0 to the second line of that file then |
| 16:09.22 | lamah | wols: everything |
| 16:09.29 | stew | laughzilla_: if you want to configure it fresh, then you want to purge these pacakges instead of just remove |
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| 16:09.46 | wols | laughzilla_: when you edit these files you want to purge dovecot |
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| 16:10.02 | wols | lamah: so what other commands did you run? |
| 16:10.11 | laughzilla_ | yes stew - i do want to purge them, but that's also refusing to work, probably due to the same reason that i can't remove them. |
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| 16:10.35 | lamah | wols: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel or apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 16:10.52 | lamah | etc. |
| 16:10.59 | wols | lamah: those don't deal with putting the key in place. what commands did you run to do that? |
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| 16:11.34 | wols | anoob: will you run the amd64 or the i386 debian? |
| 16:11.56 | anoob | what do you suggest wols? |
| 16:11.58 | laughzilla_ | ok stew i'm trying to remove it again now that i added "exit 0" as the first line of that script |
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| 16:12.02 | wols | laughzilla_: btw, which debian do you run? |
| 16:12.08 | wols | anoob: how much RAM do you have? |
| 16:12.23 | wols | anoob: do you have debian already installed or not? |
| 16:12.33 | anoob | yes |
| 16:12.41 | anoob | i have |
| 16:12.48 | laughzilla_ | wols i use debian 6 ... stew - it says it remove dovecot-common ... but i still see it listed when i lookup the dpkg command |
| 16:12.55 | wols | anoob: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 16:13.01 | wols | ,versions dovecot-common |
| 16:13.02 | judd | Package dovecot-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-4; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; sid: 1:2.0.13-1.1; wheezy: 1:2.0.13-1.1 |
| 16:13.15 | anoob | amd64 |
| 16:13.17 | wols | laughzilla_: you don't run debian 6 dovecot |
| 16:13.18 | lamah | hah i a exporting without -a |
| 16:13.21 | stew | laughzilla_: what is in the first comlumn from dpkg -l dovecot-common? "ii"? "pn"? "rc"? |
| 16:13.23 | lamah | am |
| 16:13.25 | wols | anoob: then you already have the right kernel |
| 16:13.26 | lamah | wols: ok |
| 16:13.29 | lamah | wols: thanks :) |
| 16:13.35 | anoob | ok, thanks wols |
| 16:13.35 | laughzilla_ | stew - http://paste.debian.net/123363/ |
| 16:13.36 | anoob | :) |
| 16:13.58 | laughzilla_ | wols - u were asking which version of debian i run? i run debian 6 on my vps. |
| 16:14.01 | stew | laughzilla_: yes, the "c" there means "removed but config files remain (not yet purged)" there is a legend at the top |
| 16:14.15 | laughzilla_ | yes i saw that |
| 16:14.20 | laughzilla_ | so now i'm trying to purge it |
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| 16:15.21 | laughzilla_ | the purge command does not work because it says that a couple directories exist related to it so it won't remove them. |
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| 16:16.07 | stew | laughzilla_: that doesn't mean that purge didn't work. see if "rc" changed to "pn" in the dpkg -l output (if so, it is purged) |
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| 16:16.33 | laughzilla_ | nope. dovecot-common is un ... but the other two still say rc |
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| 16:17.47 | stew | laughzilla_: the "n" there means purged. did you actually try to purge the other two? |
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| 16:17.53 | laughzilla_ | can i manually remove /etc/dovecot and alll its contents manually and then try the purge command ? |
| 16:18.01 | laughzilla_ | yes |
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| 16:18.24 | stew | laughzilla_: show us the errors you got while trying to purge |
| 16:18.39 | stew | laughzilla_: you can manually remove /etc/dovecot if you wish, but it should not be at all necessary |
| 16:18.44 | laughzilla_ | they now say "un" next to all of them |
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| 16:18.51 | stew | then they are all purged |
| 16:19.00 | stew | the 'u' part means that your sources.list is probably not correctly setup |
| 16:19.17 | laughzilla_ | yes but the /etc/dovecot directory still exists with stuff inside of that |
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| 16:23.19 | laughzilla_ | ok well it seems to be properly removed now, stew . thank you! :) now i'll just have to figure out how to install it with the vpopmail support that i need. |
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| 16:24.11 | valdyn | laughzilla_: run "dpkg --purge dovcot-imapd" etc |
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| 16:24.33 | valdyn | laughzilla_: err nvm |
| 16:24.40 | laughzilla_ | :) |
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| 16:31.03 | zref | 8D |
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| 16:33.10 | g00se | I suspect my graphics are causing a system crash - forcing reboot. Now i'm running it without X over ssh. Is there a way of testing my hypothesis without starting X? Something like 'poking' X - something by way of testing? |
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| 16:36.11 | lamah | hm I am using last ati drivers for X/console but i got slowest picture display both of them? why, 6 haves some probs? |
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| 16:38.10 | lamah | someone knows something? |
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| 16:38.35 | dscastro | hi.. |
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| 16:38.42 | dscastro | anyone running debian in xenserver? |
| 16:38.55 | dscastro | i'm getting a huge trouble with dhcp |
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| 16:41.34 | inference | how does this sound for a partitioning scheme? |
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| 16:42.41 | inference | rootL 333mb, /usr 8.4gb, /var 3gb, swap 11.5gb, /tmp 380mb, and /home 840gb |
| 16:42.59 | inference | question is if i have enough in the right places... |
| 16:43.13 | daemonkeeper | There is no "right" and wrong scheme, this depends on your purpose. If in doubt, don't partition at all. |
| 16:43.13 | Arrowmaster | i would make root at least 1 gb just incase |
| 16:43.14 | karlpinc_ | g00se: You could "man Xorg" to see if there's a test option. (I'd think that "startx" would work, so long as you're logged in a second time with ssh and can kill it if it locks up. But that's a ignorant guess.) |
| 16:43.18 | wols | what are you planning that needs 11GB swap? |
| 16:43.26 | daemonkeeper | If this is your home machine, maybe you want nothing but / and /home |
| 16:43.30 | inference | graphic desing |
| 16:43.35 | inference | design* |
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| 16:43.45 | wols | inference: why so many partitions? |
| 16:43.48 | inference | cutting and pasting gigantic raw images, etc |
| 16:44.00 | wols | what is the advantage you get from all these partitions? |
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| 16:44.06 | inference | well, when i installed this distro, it was the auto partitioning scheme |
| 16:44.08 | daemonkeeper | None. |
| 16:44.19 | karlpinc_ | inference: I tend to use lvm so that I can resize the paritions if I so desire. Others find lvm to be another level of complication. YMMV.) |
| 16:44.22 | inference | hence why i was asking abou it |
| 16:44.37 | gkwhc | hi, im new to debian and trying to install xdm by apt-get install xdm. but it returns that package xdm is not available, but is referred to by another package...whats going on?? |
| 16:44.38 | ilm | imo, just /, /home and swap |
| 16:44.40 | inference | man, cant type today |
| 16:44.40 | daemonkeeper | You may go with / and /home. |
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| 16:45.17 | inference | well it's pretty much set up and running, much need to reinstall everything? |
| 16:46.01 | daemonkeeper | If you already partitioned that way, why do you ask? |
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| 16:46.36 | inference | because i sort of started the install and left... and now i'm checking it out, didn't know if all that jazz was ok |
| 16:47.08 | daemonkeeper | Well, the usual suggestion is: Unless you know what you are doing, don't partition but / and /home. |
| 16:47.15 | daemonkeeper | (+ swap) |
| 16:47.49 | inference | so am i going to run in to problems for a moderate newb? |
| 16:48.11 | daemonkeeper | Well, you could run out of space on one partition with having much space left on another. |
| 16:48.22 | inference | like oops, you can't compile anything because you are stupid and you have to add all kinds of custom paths for all your dependencies? |
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| 16:48.39 | daemonkeeper | You should not compile at all :) |
| 16:48.50 | inference | bah |
| 16:49.23 | lamah | who is using ati drviers? |
| 16:49.36 | inference | how do you think i went from windows power user to linux newb to someone who can customize wine kernels and stuff? |
| 16:49.51 | inference | trying, failing, learning |
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| 16:50.08 | daemonkeeper | Besides, benefits of partitioning are low these days. There are benefits to use /home (on your desktop) but read only /usr or such is rarely used these days. Especially not on your home machine. |
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| 16:50.24 | wols | lamah: you haven't even said which drivers you use |
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| 16:50.47 | inference | well they are all logical partitions at least |
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| 16:51.19 | inference | the primaries are root and everything else |
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| 16:52.06 | lamah | wols: 11.6 |
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| 16:52.29 | lamah | wols: 64bit |
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| 16:53.00 | wols | lamah: you mean drivers downloaded from amd.com? |
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| 16:53.22 | lamah | wols: yep |
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| 16:53.57 | wols | lamah: not supported here. ask AMD and good luck in the future, you'll need it. those drivers like to break your debian |
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| 16:54.26 | inference | nouveau works, but that's it |
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| 16:54.36 | karlpinc_ | daemonkeeper: I'm always afraid of bios limits on boot partition sizes sneaking up on me and suddenly not being able to boot. So I always make a /boot. |
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| 16:54.42 | inference | not well or right or effeciently |
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| 16:55.08 | lamah | wols: hmm ok i think like you becouse it sukz the system exactlly this package, I will remove it which other can I use, i am a newbie maybe ;p |
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| 16:55.23 | wols | !tell lamah about ati |
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| 16:55.36 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc_: Well, are you lost in 1995? |
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| 16:55.42 | wols | lamah: what videocard do you have? |
| 16:56.11 | lamah | wols: i am talking for laptop acer ati mobility radeon 5650 hd 1gb |
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| 16:56.39 | wols | probably what fglrx then for the powermanagement |
| 16:56.43 | karlpinc_ | daemonkeeper: Yes. But bios limits exist well past 1995. They just get larger. Whoops! Who'd of thought your kernel would be above the 2TB mark on the drive. Oh well, can't boot. |
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| 16:57.11 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc_: That's another problem though and it has been solved by using GPT since a while. |
| 16:57.44 | karlpinc_ | daemonkeeper: You're saying that if I use GPT I won't have the problem? Where do I rtfm? |
| 16:57.48 | wols | daemonkeeper: how can GPT solve this BIOS limit? |
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| 16:57.58 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc_: The 2TiB also affects you whether you use /boot or not. |
| 16:58.07 | stew | does grub use bios to access /boot? |
| 16:58.11 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 16:58.12 | wols | daemonkeeper: the only way is basically UEFI for this |
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| 16:58.37 | wols | stew: what else? I doubt it comes with drivers for every disk controller imaginable :) |
| 16:58.49 | wols | grub always uses int 13h |
| 16:58.50 | stew | i have no idea |
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| 16:59.30 | wols | it's why grub always cares about drive 0x80 and its device.map |
| 16:59.34 | CoilDomain | having an issue with preseed, i used the kernel and init files from the netbooot to try to install the os using the contents of the dvd, but near the end it tries to download files from non-free which doesnt exist |
| 16:59.46 | CoilDomain | even though ive supposedly disabled that in the preseed |
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| 17:01.01 | karlpinc_ | wols: Makes sense. I've not bothered to try to think through all the details. I just make a /boot. Is there anything I can learn that will let me stop worrying and get rid of /boot, at least sometimes. Or is it safest/easiest to just keep using /boot like I always have? |
| 17:01.16 | daemonkeeper | Well, /boot won't hurt |
| 17:01.25 | karlpinc_ | UEFI sounds like a giant security hole. |
| 17:01.44 | karlpinc_ | daemonkeeper: My thoughts exactly. But it is another annoyance. |
| 17:01.55 | wols | karlpinc_: both, old BIOS and old MBR scheme are limited to 2TB. so if you don't use either, you're fine :) |
| 17:02.18 | daemonkeeper | Hence I said, you can get rid of it unless you want to boot from a crypted / or so. |
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| 17:02.30 | ypnima | when I want to partion my hard 250GB of my hard is unusable? |
| 17:02.37 | wols | and how is it a security hole? I dislike the implementation. giant overdesigned and overengineered crap, but the old ways are not usable anymore :( |
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| 17:02.47 | ypnima | how can I format or delete it? |
| 17:03.06 | wols | ypnima: pastebin the output of fdisk -l |
| 17:03.28 | ypnima | wols, I'm installing debian |
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| 17:03.42 | ypnima | wols, I don't access to terminal |
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| 17:04.10 | wols | ypnima: we need more info to understand your actual problem |
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| 17:05.28 | ypnima | wols, when I enter it, I see this message -> The free space starts from (3290,31,18) and ends at (60314,214,59). |
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| 17:05.54 | wols | ypnima: ctrl+alt+f2 and then run fdisk -l |
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| 17:06.34 | karlpinc_ | wols: It sounds giant and I recall hearing of how it's got extensions and maybe some sort of network control, both of which sound like opportunities for trouble. In short, I don't know much but it sounded spooky when I was hearing about it and not paying attention. The stuff in hardware should be simple. In any case, yes, bios is broken and probably has been since the AT came out. So something needs to be done. |
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| 17:09.08 | karlpinc_ | ypnima: You're not being duped by the marketing departments and their renaming of megabytes to mibibytes, are you? |
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| 17:12.52 | karlpinc_ | ypnima: Or are you looking only at free space and there's another partition on there you're not deleting before you start? (Like those silly MS Windows "rescue parititons".) |
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| 17:14.33 | ypnima | karlpinc_, I don't know, but my problem is solved! thanks |
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| 17:14.41 | blubberdiblub | karlpinc_, unfortunately, those rescue partitions serve the purpose of containing the windows installation image on some systems. especially on some laptops (where you don't get an optomagnetic installation medium) |
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| 17:14.47 | FransWillem | What steps should I take to get alsa and pulseaudio working from a bare bootstrapped debian system? I've tried apt-get install alsa-utils pulseaudio, but the program I'm trying to run (XBMC) tells me "Unable to open audio mixer" :/ |
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| 17:15.29 | jelly-home | FransWillem: did you log out and log back in after installing it? |
| 17:15.41 | FransWillem | jelly-home: Completely rebooted the system, even |
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| 17:15.56 | FransWillem | jelly-home: I figured that should've fixed it, but it hasn't, and I have no idea how to troubleshoot it :/ |
| 17:16.40 | ypnima | karlpinc_, for now, I have a choose for software to install, SSH server or Standard system utilities, should I select which one? |
| 17:16.42 | jelly-home | FransWillem: oh well. you can start "pulseaudio" manually for a test |
| 17:17.19 | g00se | karlpinc_: Thanks. I'll look into it |
| 17:17.30 | FransWillem | jelly-home: Didn't work either :( |
| 17:17.52 | jelly-home | FransWillem: how does it fail to work |
| 17:18.21 | FransWillem | jelly-home: XBMC log just keeps mentioning it can't open the audio mixer :-/ Don't suppose you know of any command-line tools to simply play an mp3 file over pulse-audio to test ? |
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| 17:18.53 | jelly-home | FransWillem: dunno, mplayer -ao pulse foo.mp3 |
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| 17:19.32 | jelly-home | FransWillem: paplay from pulseaudio-utils |
| 17:20.18 | ypnima | how can I mount my external hard in command line? |
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| 17:21.42 | wols | mount /dev/sdXY /mnt for example |
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| 17:21.46 | lamah | .wc |
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| 17:21.50 | lamah | re |
| 17:21.55 | wols | man mount if you need details |
| 17:22.46 | lamah | wols: i am using what did you say fglrx, everything seems, look ok and I think also the same but picture on dialog windows it floods |
| 17:23.10 | lamah | it is very slow... |
| 17:23.18 | lamah | i don't know? |
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| 17:23.42 | ypnima | # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt <- is this correct? |
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| 17:24.46 | lamah | ypnima: yes |
| 17:25.08 | jlsksr | ypnima: you should create a subfolder in /mnt/ for good practice |
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| 17:25.59 | FransWillem | jelly-home: paplay gives me "Connection failure: Access denied" |
| 17:26.40 | jelly-home | FransWillem: can you play anything as that user? with alsa? |
| 17:28.59 | FransWillem | jelly-home: mplayer -ao alsa recycle.wav does work (although I can't hear it) |
| 17:29.36 | ypnima | lamah, jlsksr when I mount it, it shoud be show in /media/ ? |
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| 17:30.09 | lamah | ypnima: no in /mnt |
| 17:30.13 | lamah | ypnima: what did you mount? |
| 17:30.13 | wols | lamah: again, where did you get your fglrx driver from? |
| 17:30.15 | lamah | win? |
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| 17:30.25 | lamah | wols: debian update servers |
| 17:30.37 | jlsksr | if you mount it in /mnt/ it will only show up in /mnt |
| 17:30.43 | wols | lamah: and what does glxinfo say? |
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| 17:30.57 | lamah | wols: xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 17:31.08 | ypnima | lamah, oh thanks |
| 17:31.19 | wols | lamah: that's not what glxinfo says |
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| 17:31.28 | lamah | ye:) |
| 17:31.33 | lamah | this is before old past |
| 17:31.48 | wols | lamah: can you answer my questions or not? |
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| 17:37.41 | jelly-home | FransWillem: I'd get alsa to work, first |
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| 17:43.20 | lamah | of |
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| 17:44.10 | lamah | wols: it shows some errors, but after some kde crash and after reboot - this is not the issue but now i got, fglrx - module does not exist from X.org messages ? |
| 17:44.27 | lamah | wols: i can't see fglrx modules in aptget |
| 17:44.40 | zref | so i have a weird lump on one of my testicles |
| 17:44.42 | lamah | or they are build in drivers but i have drivers installed |
| 17:44.47 | zref | i'm kinda concerned about it |
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| 17:48.11 | lamah | now im reading:) |
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| 17:50.54 | FransWillem | jelly-home: Ok, got alsa working with mplayer, and I fixed the pulseaudio access denied with usermod -aG pulse-access root, but althoughplaying to pulseaudio appears to work accoridng to mplayer, I don't hear anything |
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| 18:14.26 | cyoz | uhm, what is the apt line for the main debian respository? |
| 18:14.30 | cyoz | I can't find it nowhere on the site |
| 18:15.28 | smhar | it seems that piding has problem with msn, any other messenger? |
| 18:15.34 | stew | cyoz: for which release of debian? |
| 18:15.41 | cyoz | squeeze |
| 18:15.46 | stew | cyoz: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 18:15.49 | smhar | for squeeze |
| 18:15.55 | cyoz | thanks |
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| 18:22.35 | deathtje | hey guys small question i'm trying to manage qemu ( no kvm hosts with virt-manager and libvirt but i seem to be unable to tell it not to try kvm ). |
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| 18:27.09 | lamah | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation |
| 18:27.24 | lamah | this is from glxinfo ? |
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| 18:30.46 | sgn | Can I install a certain package from wheezy/sid on squeeze? |
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| 18:31.24 | Grub20 | I do not see any packages matching linux-image*openvz* anymore in the repos. Are the openvz patches now included in the mainline kernel? |
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| 18:33.23 | twobitsprite | !tell Grub20 about openvz |
| 18:33.53 | GreenDance | Hi, there's a website I'm trying to find, I've lost it, basically the website offers a repo as the website owner builds the latest apache and php, does anyone know the url to the website please? |
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| 18:34.28 | Grub20 | GreenDance: thanks |
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| 18:34.47 | jlsksr | :D |
| 18:35.04 | GreenDance | sorry? |
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| 18:38.48 | twobitsprite | sgn: you could, but it would likely cause breakage |
| 18:39.44 | twobitsprite | sgn: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 18:43.39 | lamah | who can support me for radeonhd/fglrx drivers/support ? |
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| 18:44.50 | stew | lamah: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 18:45.48 | lamah | stew: i have installed xorg-radeon and other packages which provides radeon driver but in dialog windows i got slow flood in KDE |
| 18:46.03 | lamah | stew: fglrx i mean, but from what is that i don't know |
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| 18:46.52 | devil | lamah: is it radeon or fglrx, that you have? |
| 18:47.22 | lamah | devil: xserver-xorg-video-radeon that i have? |
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| 18:47.51 | devil | lamah: that is the free driver. it needs firmware-linux-nonfree to function properly |
| 18:48.23 | lamah | heh |
| 18:48.27 | lamah | brb to check:) |
| 18:48.33 | wols | lamah: you can't ask us what you are using. We asked you! we cannot know what you are using, so I suggest you check it |
| 18:49.21 | stew | i would certainly thinmk that the radeon driver must not always require nonfree firmware, or else a bug should be filed to have it moved out of debian and into contrib |
| 18:50.18 | devil | stew: your thinking is correct, and to say ' |
| 18:50.19 | devil | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.21 | devil | [20:48:21] <lamah> heh |
| 18:50.23 | devil | ups |
| 18:51.00 | wols | stew: my radeon needs no firmware with the squeeze kernel. with the backport kernel I get a black screen (cli) without it |
| 18:51.01 | devil | and to say: 'it needs firmware-linux-nonfree to function properly' might be a bit harsh, but thats what most users experience |
| 18:51.15 | wols | devil: what is missing without firmware? |
| 18:51.15 | xindz | Is it possible with ncftp to download the hole directory on the same time? can't get it to work. I want it to download all files at the sametime instead of one file at a time |
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| 18:51.40 | devil | wols: 3D for sure, some users complain about slowness and blur |
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| 18:53.30 | devil | it also depends on the card a lot |
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| 18:54.28 | lamah | wols: no i have tried both of them... now i am under that xorgradeon package |
| 18:54.41 | wols | xindz: use lftp |
| 18:54.42 | lamah | devil: i have tried now and with firemware it's the same |
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| 18:54.55 | lamah | lftp is a very good tool I like it |
| 18:55.04 | devil | lamah: can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log please? |
| 18:55.12 | lamah | devil: yes |
| 18:55.13 | wols | and the output of glxinfo |
| 18:55.25 | stew | xindz: try "mget -r remotedir" |
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| 18:58.22 | xindz | stew invalid option -- 'r' |
| 18:58.44 | lamah | devil: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/442381/ |
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| 18:58.59 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wotwj |
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| 18:59.15 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, knri |
| 18:59.19 | lamah | ehehe |
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| 18:59.27 | lamah | ads |
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| 18:59.30 | dpkg | ofgj-4: what are you talking about? |
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| 19:00.11 | dpkg | msmist: what are you talking about? |
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| 19:00.29 | LaptopBrain | O_o |
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| 19:02.14 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:03.02 | lamah | wols: http://pastebin.com/Z4pG7L7n |
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| 19:03.50 | lamah | devil: did you see the paste of X log becouse they are many ads, they are stops now it's good :) |
| 19:04.13 | devil | lamah: nope, got lost |
| 19:04.22 | lamah | devil: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/442381/ |
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| 19:05.29 | devil | lamah: dpkg -l | grep fglrx |
| 19:06.10 | lamah | strange |
| 19:06.17 | lamah | devil: it can't return nothing |
| 19:07.13 | devil | lamah: your xorg.log points to you using fglrx but not having a xorg section 'Device' |
| 19:07.27 | devil | xorg.conf section... |
| 19:07.36 | lamah | ye I understand |
| 19:07.49 | devil | WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@2:0:1) found |
| 19:08.18 | devil | also: (EE) fglrx(0): ACPI: DRM connection failed |
| 19:09.17 | devil | well, your fglrx setup seems totaly b0rked |
| 19:09.39 | devil | please pastebin: apt-cache policy fglrx-server |
| 19:09.45 | devil | sorry |
| 19:09.49 | devil | fglrx-driver |
| 19:10.30 | mmu_man | plop |
| 19:10.34 | lamah | i got unable to locate that package |
| 19:10.42 | mmu_man | btw where do I report sid bugs (found several today :p) |
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| 19:11.17 | FDFlock | Hello everyone! A quick question: The .iso of the following URL is *supposed* to install Wheezy (aka Debian testing), is that right? |
| 19:11.20 | FDFlock | The URL is:http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 19:11.23 | FDFlock | I used it and Squeeze got installed instead! Am I doing something wrong or the wrong CD image was uploaded there? |
| 19:11.25 | devil | mmu_man: bugs go to BTS, if you want to talk about them, #debian-next on OFTC |
| 19:11.48 | Tigerboy | Hi has anyone discovered a way to close a tab in Iceape? |
| 19:11.55 | devil | lamah: i dont get how you are set up :( |
| 19:12.01 | mmu_man | devil: thx, wasn't sure |
| 19:12.12 | lamah | :) i don't know something is strange |
| 19:12.17 | lamah | .. |
| 19:12.25 | mmu_man | hmm OFTC, why do everyone go there ? |
| 19:12.33 | devil | lamah: you should either use radeon, or set up fglrx correctly |
| 19:12.55 | mmu_man | I really need to configure irssi someday |
| 19:12.57 | devil | lamah: dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-driver-radeon |
| 19:13.07 | devil | mmu_man: why not? |
| 19:13.13 | lamah | devil: is there manual/examples for fglrx sections in xorg.conf in web or dpkg bot ? |
| 19:13.16 | lamah | ok.. |
| 19:13.20 | FDFlock | mmu_man: not an easy task but quite rewarding :) |
| 19:13.54 | mmu_man | devil: I have my habits on freenode (#haiku{|-dev|-fr}, #april...) |
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| 19:14.02 | devil | lamah: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 19:14.12 | mmu_man | FDFlock: yeah I just need to order enough aspirin |
| 19:14.32 | wols | lamah: it's unlikely the xorg.conf is your problem. more likely is a lack of installed packages |
| 19:14.54 | wols | lamah: dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 19:15.49 | devil | wols: the missing xorg.conf stanza was just the first of my findings in the log. |
| 19:16.13 | lamah | devil: xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.13.1-2+squeeze1 |
| 19:16.25 | lamah | wols: it can't return nothing for *fglrx* ? |
| 19:16.25 | FDFlock | So, does anyone know the answer to my question? There are CDs that install Wheezy using the Squeeze d-i, right? |
| 19:16.29 | lamah | .. |
| 19:16.30 | stew | xindz: sorry, try "get -R foo" instead |
| 19:16.37 | stew | xindz: (i found this in the ncftp manpage) |
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| 19:17.17 | Devastator | lamah i think you are mistyping "?" |
| 19:17.33 | devil | maybe the | (pipe)? |
| 19:17.34 | Tigerboy | lamah: I have found the ati (i believe it is the 11.04) driver install package (as opposed to the current 11.06) installs on some systems that have HD 3XXX and 4XXX where it fails with the current driver. And the performance is excellent |
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| 19:18.01 | stew | FDFlock: especially since that url says "squeeze" in the url, i wouldn't necessarily expect it ot install anything but squeeze |
| 19:18.10 | lamah | Tigerboy: no in #debian official ati drivers are not supported here |
| 19:18.20 | lamah | by topics and team, that i know before |
| 19:18.22 | lamah | :) |
| 19:18.31 | FDFlock | stew: well the description says otherwise, if you visit that page |
| 19:18.38 | stew | FDFlock: what page? |
| 19:18.44 | Tigerboy | lamah: yes you have to download the driver install |
| 19:18.51 | wols | lamah: then you haven't installed the debian packages but the .run installer from amd. as you can see with your experience, this one is broken. and we don't support it. either use something else or got to #ati or wherever |
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| 19:19.07 | FDFlock | stew: this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 19:19.16 | lamah | wols: this is not possible |
| 19:19.24 | wols | lamah: what isn't possible? |
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| 19:19.28 | Tigerboy | lamah: also be careful to try to find any "missing firmware" if you should install a more advanced kernel such as liquorix. |
| 19:19.30 | stew | ok, perhaps its buggy, sure |
| 19:19.44 | lamah | wols: how can i search for fglrx drivers/server in debian server? |
| 19:19.48 | stew | FDFlock: how do you know you got squeeze and not wheezy? |
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| 19:20.00 | lamah | and also i am not use ati/amd drivers i have remove it |
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| 19:20.02 | FDFlock | kenrel version, repos etc. :) |
| 19:20.04 | lamah | that is not possible :) |
| 19:20.05 | stew | FDFlock: do you need an unofficial cd instead of an official one? |
| 19:20.06 | devil | lamah: did you see my link? |
| 19:20.08 | FDFlock | *kernel |
| 19:20.14 | Tigerboy | lamah: the only way I have found it to work on certain computers is the drivers from ati directly |
| 19:20.15 | wols | lamah: you need non-free sources. /msg dpkg fglrx dkms |
| 19:20.18 | lamah | devil: ye ye, k |
| 19:20.41 | bdheeman | stew: aptitude search fglrx |
| 19:20.48 | Tigerboy | Lamah: you can use the smxi script package and then select the fglrx older option |
| 19:20.48 | FDFlock | stew: I actually need that firmware, but installing it afterwards isn't really a problem |
| 19:20.52 | stew | bdheeman: uh, why? |
| 19:20.53 | devil | lamah: it explains how to proceed, should you have installed the .run from ati, remove its remains |
| 19:21.03 | lamah | hmm |
| 19:21.04 | stew | bdheeman: you miust have meant someone else |
| 19:21.09 | lamah | well i will check again |
| 19:21.19 | lamah | :) |
| 19:21.33 | wols | lamah: do you have non-free sources in your sources.list? |
| 19:21.47 | lamah | wols: no |
| 19:22.00 | wols | lamah: that's why you can't find fglrx |
| 19:22.11 | lamah | i don't know now for non-free in debian I belive it haves, but.. |
| 19:22.24 | bdheeman | stew: sorry, that was for lamah |
| 19:22.27 | lamah | ok ... i will check again everythjing |
| 19:22.54 | bdheeman | lamah: aptitude search fglrx |
| 19:23.33 | wols | bdheeman: we just established there are no non-free sources in his installation |
| 19:24.12 | lamah | one rule in my mind :) |
| 19:24.16 | Tigerboy | lamah: append non-free contrib to the end of the lines and save (/etc/apt/sources.list) then run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 19:24.20 | FDFlock | stew: I just figured that using the Squeeze installer would be "safer", I might be wrong though... is the wheezy d-i stable enough? |
| 19:24.24 | FDFlock | BTW, my setup is a bit strange (hybrid MBR), that's why I want to be on the safe side... But that installer trashed my MBR anyway (converted it to regular "protective" MBR). Heh... |
| 19:24.33 | lamah | Tigerboy: yes :) |
| 19:24.43 | lamah | Tigerboy: thank you |
| 19:25.07 | stew | FDFlock: using the squeeze installer would certainly be "safer" i haven't heard much of anything about the wheezy d-i |
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| 19:25.43 | FDFlock | see, there's the problem! |
| 19:26.23 | Tigerboy | FDFlock: wheezy installer fails at creating GRUB at the very end, there is a way to fix it without losing the install but it is much easier to just install using Squeeze installer |
| 19:27.06 | stew | Tigerboy: has this bug been reported? |
| 19:27.17 | Tigerboy | stew: yes for months now lol |
| 19:27.23 | stew | Tigerboy: what is the bug#? |
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| 19:27.37 | Tigerboy | stew: i didn't report it but I'm sure you can find it |
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| 19:28.12 | Aut0ExeC | hi guys... where to i go to change which wm boots after login |
| 19:28.13 | Aut0ExeC | ? |
| 19:28.22 | Tigerboy | stew: and this is also happening in the "weekly" install disk circa a week ago ... but Debian took the disks off the net |
| 19:28.36 | FDFlock | stew, Tigerboy : I guess I'll try this "official" one as well: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 19:28.37 | stew | Tigerboy: there are no bugs with "grub" in the title against the debian-installer pseudo-package |
| 19:28.40 | Tigerboy | Stew: so now you only see squeeze |
| 19:29.18 | wols | Aut0ExeC: ~/.xinitrc? /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager? something DM-specific? |
| 19:29.21 | stew | Tigerboy: i still see them |
| 19:29.27 | Tigerboy | Stew: there is a fix for it or should I say work around. You might want to adjust your search |
| 19:29.42 | stew | Tigerboy: how should I adjust my search? |
| 19:30.19 | Tigerboy | stew: no idea all I know is the problem has been on the web in discussion forums since May or so |
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| 19:30.52 | lamah | of |
| 19:30.56 | Tigerboy | stew: and the downloadable disk for wheezy install (before it was removed completely by Deb) was also doing the same thing |
| 19:31.22 | Tigerboy | Stew: i think the current "Fix" is just to remove the disk for dl |
| 19:32.03 | stew | Tigerboy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ ? |
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| 19:32.11 | FDFlock | Tigerboy: And I was wondering why I couldn't find download links for Debian testing! |
| 19:32.20 | Tigerboy | Stew: but we have had so many problems running wheezy systems that I recommend not bothering and starting with a Squeeze and slowly adopting others |
| 19:32.23 | FDFlock | I mean, find easily |
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| 19:32.41 | Tigerboy | Stew: I meant from the http: menus |
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| 19:32.49 | stew | what menu? |
| 19:33.01 | stew | i found that from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
| 19:33.09 | Tigerboy | Stew the same menu or page you get the squeeze from |
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| 19:33.23 | Tigerboy | HTML MENU |
| 19:33.29 | stew | hmm |
| 19:33.44 | FDFlock | Tigerboy: Is a mixed squeeze-wheezy system a good idea? Is it easily maintained? I used to run a mixed Gentoo system but maintainance was a nightmare |
| 19:33.52 | stew | FDFlock: no, certainly not |
| 19:33.59 | FDFlock | I guessed so |
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| 19:34.10 | stew | FDFlock: we never recommend running a mix of a released version with unreleased stuff |
| 19:34.23 | Tigerboy | fdflock: yes it will require some work but what you should do is use pinning in the preferences file and It works fine |
| 19:34.34 | stew | Tigerboy: please don't recommend something like that |
| 19:34.53 | Tigerboy | Stew: it is my recommendation and it is commonly done |
| 19:34.54 | Arrowmaster | mixing stable with testing/unstable is a recipe for a broken system |
| 19:34.55 | stew | one should not expect something like that to work fine, especially if they have to ask questions abou tit |
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| 19:35.13 | stew | Tigerboy: please stop recommending it in here. |
| 19:35.24 | Tigerboy | stew: I have made several lines you keep asking silly questions I'm don't going to engage with you |
| 19:35.30 | Tigerboy | it's recommended in debian forums |
| 19:35.35 | FDFlock | Tigerboy: I'm already using pinning for my Debian homeserver (just a few select packages, 5 or so) but I am afraid to do that with a Desktop system |
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| 19:35.50 | Arrowmaster | Tigerboy: the forums.debian.net ones? |
| 19:35.53 | stew | FDFlock: if you need packages from testing, use backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 19:35.59 | FDFlock | Arrowmaster: On Gentoo it worked very well, but maintainance was time-consuming |
| 19:36.07 | FDFlock | stew: thanks |
| 19:36.13 | Tigerboy | stew there are many things not in back-ports |
| 19:36.20 | karlpinc_ | Tigerboy: The forums are wrong. It may work for some of the people some of the time, that does not mean it's a good idea. |
| 19:36.21 | stew | Tigerboy: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:36.39 | Tigerboy | there is a deb wiki on it |
| 19:36.43 | stew | Tigerboy: or more specifically /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:36.47 | karlpinc_ | Tigerboy: Then you backport it yourself. |
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| 19:37.30 | Tigerboy | debian is the most dysfunctional irc due to the 24/7 chatters |
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| 19:37.41 | Tigerboy | least helpful |
| 19:38.35 | Arrowmaster | and yet we get people using other distros coming here because they cant get any help in the proper channels |
| 19:40.10 | oscurochu | i just installed debian, and the open source nvidia drivers dont work for me. I'm on gentoo, chrooted into debian. How do I install prebuilt proprietary drivers? |
| 19:40.14 | grmrgecko | How do I get 32bit development files for freetype? |
| 19:40.40 | grmrgecko | wine is complaining and I didn't see much in synaptic |
| 19:40.58 | devil | oscurochu: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 19:41.13 | oscurochu | Im reading that guide, but its a little confusing |
| 19:41.18 | oscurochu | What kernel version am I running? |
| 19:41.27 | oscurochu | not running, but does debian have installed? |
| 19:41.29 | devil | oscurochu: uname -a tells you |
| 19:41.42 | devil | oscurochu: debian squeeze? |
| 19:41.45 | oscurochu | yes |
| 19:41.52 | devil | 2.6.32 |
| 19:41.58 | oscurochu | thanks |
| 19:42.04 | oscurochu | hopefully thats all the help i need... |
| 19:42.16 | devil | oscurochu: dont hesitate to ask, if not |
| 19:42.17 | karlpinc_ | !tell oscurochu about nvidia dkms |
| 19:43.22 | karlpinc_ | oscurochu: In theory you could cut and paste what dpkg says and that would work. Better to take it a step at a time and understand what you're doing. (I've not tried it. I just know the factoid.) |
| 19:43.57 | oscurochu | im coming from gentoo, im pretty sure i understand what im doing |
| 19:44.22 | oscurochu | lol |
| 19:44.45 | Aut0ExeC | wols: thanks brother |
| 19:44.55 | Tigerboy | I still love gentoo for servers |
| 19:45.19 | Aut0ExeC | Tigerboy: gentoo sucks bad bro |
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| 19:45.35 | stew | let's keep this on-topic please |
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| 19:45.45 | oscurochu | of course it does, why do you think im installing debian? but after playing with gentoo for a long time its hard not to know what you're doing |
| 19:45.45 | babilen | Aut0ExeC: Please let not us not turn this into a gentoo flamefest. |
| 19:45.48 | oscurochu | whats the purpose of nvidia-glx? |
| 19:45.53 | lamah | ye with non-free is it good |
| 19:45.59 | lamah | now it is ok... |
| 19:46.07 | lamah | thanks to everyone... |
| 19:46.12 | lamah | for the help |
| 19:46.20 | FDFlock | both Gentoo and Debian are GREAT, let's keep this civil |
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| 19:46.46 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: sorry sir |
| 19:46.47 | lamah | OMG i have clicked right click in remove this task and icons are miss how can i restore it. .. :( |
| 19:46.55 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: i only speak the truth and spread the gospel according to debian |
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| 19:47.45 | devil | lamah: this task? |
| 19:47.45 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: Gentoo and FreeBSD suck a lot, see http://bit.ly/ba4ibZ |
| 19:48.03 | Aut0ExeC | Tigerboy: dont click it |
| 19:48.07 | Tigerboy | Bdheeman: lol |
| 19:48.07 | Aut0ExeC | Tigerboy: its a trick |
| 19:48.13 | babilen | Aut0ExeC: Lets drop this discussion, but stating that Gentoo sucks is definitely not part of Debian's "gospel" -- Lets discuss Debian, that should be enough. |
| 19:48.27 | FDFlock | I agree |
| 19:48.28 | lamah | devil: thanks for help... no i mean icons in 'right' in task manager before the clock |
| 19:48.35 | lamah | in panel... |
| 19:48.39 | lamah | bleh |
| 19:48.39 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: you sir... are absolutely right |
| 19:48.40 | Tigerboy | Bdheeman: have you tried the deb Kfreebsd |
| 19:48.51 | FDFlock | Actually guys I've got a *much* more serious problem regarding my install, but's not Debian-related... Extreme slowdown (factor of 10-50) when I boot an 64bit kernel or a kernel with highmem support. And despite the slowdown, dmesg, logs etc. seem normal! |
| 19:48.57 | devil | lamah: you removed (parts of) the panel? |
| 19:48.57 | FDFlock | Happens with 64bit Windows7 as well (vs 32bit) and it's driving me crazy... |
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| 19:49.09 | lamah | devil: yes |
| 19:49.09 | Aut0ExeC | where to change this damn window manager? |
| 19:49.14 | oscurochu | Can I use hal or udev to configure nvidia for me? |
| 19:49.16 | Aut0ExeC | there is not xinitrc |
| 19:49.33 | devil | lamah: kde? gnome? |
| 19:49.37 | lamah | devil: kde |
| 19:49.43 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: no, never; shall never in near future too |
| 19:49.48 | FDFlock | I don't have time right now, going AFK. If there are any ideas tell me :/ |
| 19:50.06 | Aut0ExeC | i just installed a fresh decent copy of icewm and cant change my settings to startx to this |
| 19:50.10 | devil | lamah: right-klick on the icon all the way in the right panel corner... |
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| 19:50.28 | stew | Aut0ExeC: try "update-allternatives --config x-window-manager" |
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| 19:52.40 | Aut0ExeC | stew: omg no config file? |
| 19:52.44 | Aut0ExeC | omg |
| 19:52.49 | Aut0ExeC | thought everything was a file in linux |
| 19:52.50 | Aut0ExeC | :( |
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| 19:53.32 | somiaj | Aut0ExeC: do you have a .xinitrc or .xsesion file in your home dir, that is what I use for my wm, 'exec /usr/bin/fvwm' is what I have in there |
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| 19:54.01 | babilen | Aut0ExeC: How do you start X? |
| 19:54.18 | Tigerboy | bdheeman: it's interesting.. we use freebsd in some of our data center server installations... rock solid-- i loved the "why did we do deb kfreebsd? because we could..." |
| 19:54.27 | lamah | devil: it is ok now thanks |
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| 19:54.36 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: i start X with...... *drumroll....* "startx" |
| 19:55.11 | Aut0ExeC | somiaj: ahhh awesome brother. i will try that |
| 19:55.13 | babilen | Aut0ExeC: In that case either set the alternatives symlinks or create a ~/.xsession |
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| 19:55.37 | babilen | Aut0ExeC: the former is achieved with the update-alternatives command stew suggested |
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| 19:55.52 | grmrgecko | can none answer my questions in here? |
| 19:55.55 | Aut0ExeC | if this file isnt there shall i create it? |
| 19:56.03 | somiaj | I thought startx used .xinitrc, .xsession was used by dm's -- either way its one or the other. The alternatives is a system wide configureation, .xinitrc should overright that |
| 19:56.09 | grmrgecko | At least tell me that I have to download freetype and compile manually |
| 19:56.10 | somiaj | Aut0ExeC: yes just create it, add a single line |
| 19:56.28 | grmrgecko | wine is complaining about it being 32bit only |
| 19:56.29 | Aut0ExeC | somiaj: you sir... are a genius |
| 19:56.36 | Aut0ExeC | thanks guys |
| 19:56.54 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: I also used FreeBSD, and was brave enough to use X.0-CURRENT even on a production server for long; I stopped using FreeBSD, just because of build everything yourself just for an update/upgrade |
| 19:56.55 | somiaj | Aut0ExeC: no I just use fvwm -- means I've been in the same spot as you before. (: |
| 19:57.16 | rvsjoen | whats the easiest way to restore my original /etc/profile |
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| 19:57.42 | somiaj | bdheeman: what? I thought bsd could use a binary distro as well, the ports/build yourself was just an option, pkg_add or something like that for binary packages |
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| 19:58.30 | Aut0ExeC | somiaj: yes death to kde and gnome yes? |
| 19:58.32 | Tigerboy | bdheeman: yes true but it leaves you under control and more secure for applications that require super high security... Still I love the debian and have enjoyed the smb 4 if you can imagine... really well done. I think it's still in alpha too. |
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| 19:58.53 | bdheeman | somiaj: I'm a seasoned user, the pkg_add is crap |
| 19:59.42 | miasma | hi. is it possible that debian doesn't support multiple monitors on intel gma 4500? i tried both X drivers from stable & testing. xrandr says I have VGA, HDMI1 and DP1 connectors. HDMI1 maps to physical DVI connector, but I can't get anything out via the physical HDMI unless the DVI cable is unplugged |
| 19:59.44 | karlpinc_ | rvsjoen: _Just_ that file? Probably install the source .deb file with apt-get source. |
| 20:00.01 | karlpinc_ | rvsjoen: And pull out the resulting config. |
| 20:00.17 | Aut0ExeC | anyone here have their linux+? |
| 20:00.18 | rvsjoen | karlpinc_: yeh, some .bin file I installed spat out all over it and screwed it up completely |
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| 20:00.53 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: my Debian machines are also almost secure; nothing in this world is perfect, not even the God |
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| 20:01.25 | rvsjoen | I tried looking for it with apt-file search /etc/profile, but no hits |
| 20:01.32 | rvsjoen | trying to figure out which package it lives in |
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| 20:03.10 | Endres1 | I am upgrading from i686 to amd64 right now on my lenny system (yes, afterwards I want also to upgrade it to squeeze). As it is officially nearly impossible, I followed the instructions from over here: http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/index.html but my problem is, that I don't get the step where I should install 64-bit libc. There is no /lib64 where dpkg needs files from... |
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| 20:03.34 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: LinuxMint people have started using Debian package repositories, just because a Debian systems easy to update/upgrade |
| 20:04.33 | karlpinc_ | rvsjoen: base-files |
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| 20:05.10 | karlpinc_ | rvsjoen: I found that out by dumb luck. I'm not sure of a good way to associate config files with packages. |
| 20:05.25 | Tigerboy | bdheeman: YEs I agree you can be secure on anything really it just depends on what you are talking about.. a bin compiled after an internal review of the source... but for the most part and most situations deb can be made as secure as you need |
| 20:05.25 | Aut0ExeC | how can you guys offer certified support without certification? |
| 20:05.40 | rvsjoen | karlpinc_: thanks |
| 20:05.46 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: I reinstalled Debian only once in the last 7 years, just to remove some cruft which me or some bad packages might have left over that period; though the machines were working fine at that time |
| 20:05.54 | devil | Aut0ExeC: what? |
| 20:05.54 | stew | Aut0ExeC: who is offering certified support for what? |
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| 20:06.04 | Aut0ExeC | is this free support? |
| 20:06.05 | MrMind | hi there, I have a problem.... every time I "safely remove" a ntfs disk my machine freezes.... and the online thing I can do is to press the physical start button to shutdown it, someone that knows that it can be? |
| 20:06.16 | Tigerboy | BDheeman: if you can secure the physical hardware from direct access then you can make linux 100 percent secure failing only by human failure I think. |
| 20:06.42 | Aut0ExeC | what manner of free advice is this that you are offering? take me to ur leader |
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| 20:06.43 | devil | MrMind: are you using ntfs-3g? |
| 20:06.43 | Tigerboy | bdheeman: excellent |
| 20:07.04 | karlpinc_ | Aut0ExeC: You mean you've sent us money? The check is in the mail? |
| 20:07.12 | MrMind | devil: yep |
| 20:07.12 | babilen | Aut0ExeC: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 20:07.17 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: yeah, that's possible, but nothing is 100% secure |
| 20:07.34 | devil | MrMind: what version? |
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| 20:08.24 | babilen | Endres1: Just safe yourself the work and directly install squeeze. |
| 20:08.36 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: I read this consultants thing that you primitive mortals have managed to conceive |
| 20:08.37 | Endres1 | phew... |
| 20:08.46 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: thank you for this |
| 20:08.55 | babilen | Aut0ExeC: yw |
| 20:09.04 | MrMind | devil: version: 1:2010.3.6-1 |
| 20:09.10 | Endres1 | babilen: maybe I really should do this... Also think I did something bad by using Debian's software raid... |
| 20:09.28 | Tigerboy | autoexec: Muggles? |
| 20:09.32 | Tigerboy | :) |
| 20:09.42 | babilen | Endres1: There is AFAIK nothing wrong with Debian's (?) software raid |
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| 20:10.32 | devil | MrMind: is that from squeeze? |
| 20:10.35 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: your empire is great here. I must return again in my mortal form so that I can partake in some of these worldly things |
| 20:10.45 | devil | ,versions ntfs-3g |
| 20:10.45 | judd | Package ntfs-3g on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.2531-1.1; squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1; wheezy: 1:2011.1.15AR.4+2011.4.12-2; sid: 1:2011.4.12AR.4-2 |
| 20:10.51 | MrMind | devil: yep |
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| 20:11.06 | devil | MrMind: ls -l /usr/lib/libfuse* |
| 20:11.39 | Endres1 | babilen: no, there is nothing wrong with it, but I think for my 500 GB data it would suffice to use only one of the tree other 1 TB disks, and use the others for backup and such things ;) |
| 20:11.44 | Aut0ExeC | babilen: I must now return to my place of dwelling. I must leave you mortals and take stronghold of my real life |
| 20:11.55 | Aut0ExeC | thank you all |
| 20:12.21 | MrMind | devil: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 28 15:32 /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2 -> libfuse.so.2.8.4 |
| 20:12.24 | MrMind | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 217624 Sep 21 2010 /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2.8.4 |
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| 20:13.26 | sgn | How do I install "xvba-va-driver" from sid or wheezy onto squeeze? |
| 20:14.55 | Aut0ExeC | streams out his battle cry with a loud thunder clash |
| 20:15.08 | devil | MrMind: hm, cant find any bug report. i think its fuse-related. maybe you want to try the version from wheezy |
| 20:15.32 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: see, "Who Uses FreeBSD? http://bit.ly/phEazP", IMHO, none of those mentioned at that page used FreeBSD these days |
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| 20:16.04 | stew | bdheeman: can you move this to pm or to #debian-offtopic or somewhere, please? |
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| 20:16.25 | MrMind | devil: okey, thanks! I will try the wheezy package =) |
| 20:16.48 | wols | ,versions xvba-va-driver |
| 20:16.48 | judd | Package xvba-va-driver on i386 -- sid/non-free: 0.7.8-1; wheezy/non-free: 0.7.8-1 |
| 20:16.57 | bdheeman | stew: sorry; better I stop/shut up |
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| 20:17.44 | wols | !tell sgn about ssb |
| 20:18.46 | stew | ,versions xvba-va-driver --arch amd64 |
| 20:18.46 | judd | Package xvba-va-driver on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.7.8-1; sid/contrib: 0.8.0-1 |
| 20:18.59 | stew | it's free now |
| 20:19.05 | Tigerboy | at least soup nazis have good soup |
| 20:20.03 | stew | Tigerboy: eh? |
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| 20:21.15 | bdheeman | Tigerboy: ?? |
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| 20:24.34 | Tigerboy | stew: this is what I meant, about a week or so ago the weekly sid install dvd option was under the Squeeze option on this page: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ as well as the torrent page too -- I did not send a proper report but I sent an email which may have lead to it also many people in the forums and blogs have complained about Debian wheezy install failing at the install GRUB point. |
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| 20:26.38 | oscurochu | how do i restart Xorg? |
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| 20:27.47 | stew | Tigerboy: i don not believe there was ever (or should ever be) a sid weekly install dvd on that page |
| 20:28.42 | stew | Tigerboy: nor do I know what you meant before about HTML MENUs |
| 20:28.53 | grmrgecko | ok... |
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| 20:29.09 | stew | oscurochu: do you login via a graphical login manager? |
| 20:29.13 | oscurochu | yes |
| 20:29.26 | stew | oscurochu: logout |
| 20:29.30 | unixnuub | anyone know what the best way to create a custom initrd.gz file is on squeeze? |
| 20:29.44 | grmrgecko | SO, I need to get these files in 32 bit. I will look around in synaptic to see if I can find them, and while I look I want someone to mention my name with a post to fix these issues. |
| 20:29.45 | grmrgecko | http://pastie.org/private/dowjsukcspk9cfhyudvxsq |
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| 20:29.50 | oscurochu | I forget what the recommended screen resolution is for my monitor. Anyway to figure that out without the manual? |
| 20:29.50 | Tigerboy | oscurochu: use ctl-alt-F1 and then once at command prompt as root type gdm3 |
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| 20:31.17 | PlutoISaPlanet | can anyone tell me if i can recover a ddrescued disk image to the same disk it's on? |
| 20:31.22 | oscurochu | How do I add myself to the wheel group? |
| 20:31.37 | oscurochu | ill just look it up nvm |
| 20:31.43 | karlpinc_ | unixnuub: Tell them your whole problem, in one long paragraph if possible. |
| 20:31.58 | stew | oscurochu: "adduser username wheel" though note that debian does not make use of a wheel group by default, see /msg dpkg wheel |
| 20:32.29 | oscurochu | oh, well im glad you saved me the trouble then |
| 20:32.38 | oscurochu | I just wanna be able to use sudo. |
| 20:32.54 | Tigerboy | oscurochu don't add yourself to the wheel group |
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| 20:33.07 | Tigerboy | just use sudoers and add your user name |
| 20:33.18 | Tigerboy | it's in /etc/sudoers |
| 20:33.31 | stew | oscurochu: you can configure sudo with "visudo", it shoudl be configured by default with a "sudo" group you can add yourself to |
| 20:34.06 | Tigerboy | in this form-- yourusername ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 20:34.15 | stew | oscurochu: actaully i don't remember when/if having the sudo group enabled became the default, there should at least be sometihng there you can uncomment with visudo |
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| 20:34.21 | unixnuub | hi boys n girls |
| 20:34.38 | Tigerboy | if you don't have a sudoers than add sudo in apt-get |
| 20:34.47 | unixnuub | debian squeeze cd initrd.gz contains megaraid_sas.ko kernel module |
| 20:34.56 | unixnuub | netboot initrd.gz does not contain it |
| 20:35.05 | oscurochu | I added myself to the group sudo and i still cant use sudo... Im confused. |
| 20:35.18 | unixnuub | any idea how i can generate a fresh initrd.gz file with that module included ? |
| 20:35.20 | stew | oscurochu: is the sudo package installed? |
| 20:35.20 | devil | unixnuub: why are you crossposting? |
| 20:35.21 | babilen | oscurochu: And you should be able to just add yourself to the "sudo" group to achieve what you want. That is unless you want to do something fancy. |
| 20:35.41 | unixnuub | erm it was recomended by the irc.debian folks |
| 20:35.45 | babilen | devil: Intentional -- Depleted karlpinc_'s brain over at OFTC. |
| 20:35.55 | devil | babilen: k :) |
| 20:36.12 | unixnuub | cross posting more commonly refers to multiple channels on the same server |
| 20:36.21 | unixnuub | this would be more cross destination |
| 20:36.32 | unixnuub | or perhaps from your perspective cross-origin |
| 20:36.32 | stew | oscurochu: note that if you add yoyurself to a group, you won't get those group privileges in existing shells, you may need to logout and log back in |
| 20:36.35 | unixnuub | ;) |
| 20:36.51 | Tigerboy | the devil is in the details |
| 20:36.58 | unixnuub | so apart from cpio and friends (which is awfully hacky) |
| 20:37.01 | unixnuub | he he |
| 20:37.03 | oscurochu | oh ok, thats something new to me. =) |
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| 20:37.15 | unixnuub | mkinitrd |
| 20:37.20 | oscurochu | Still doesnt work though |
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| 20:37.25 | unixnuub | that prog is no longer available in squeeze |
| 20:37.33 | Tigerboy | oscurochu did you install sudo |
| 20:37.37 | grmrgecko | what is XShape? |
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| 20:38.40 | stew | grmrgecko: an extension to X which allows windows to have a non rectangular shape |
| 20:39.07 | grmrgecko | stew: Is that libXext? |
| 20:39.09 | dacu | I had a i386 Squeeze installed on AMD - dual booting - Squeeze and Windows 7 and the system does not go to GRUB anymore - I get Error unkown system - Grub Rescue> _ what should I do ? |
| 20:39.18 | oscurochu | Am I the only one that has the habbit of "apt-get some-program" (completely leaving out the "install" command)? |
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| 20:41.13 | fleischergesell | oscurochu: No, since there is no tab-completion wihtout install |
| 20:41.32 | fleischergesell | And really, is there anybody using linux without tab-completion? |
| 20:42.39 | fleischergesell | Well, I misread your question, the answer is yes, you're probably the only one. |
| 20:42.52 | oscurochu | i've been doing it since i first started using ubuntu like 5 years ago. I sit there, and I ask myself, "why isn't it working?" it takes me a minute to realize I forget to add "install" to the command. =D |
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| 20:43.48 | unixnuub | fleischergesell oscurochu you guys need to get on the zsh boat |
| 20:44.26 | unixnuub | zsh |
| 20:44.29 | unixnuub | autoload -Uz compinit |
| 20:44.32 | unixnuub | compinit |
| 20:44.41 | unixnuub | take it to the next level.. |
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| 20:45.26 | oscurochu | I have a pentium 4 computer I want to install debian on. Which cd should i download? |
| 20:46.27 | fleischergesell | Probably the latest stable? No reason not to. |
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| 20:46.46 | oscurochu | which architecture? i386 or multi-arch? |
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| 20:47.45 | fleischergesell | Depends on what applications you want to run on it, i386 should usually do the job |
| 20:48.31 | oscurochu | k thanks. |
| 20:48.49 | fleischergesell | I don't even know if P4 processors support 64bit natively |
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| 21:01.09 | Tigerboy | oscurochu: apt-get install sudo |
| 21:01.54 | Tigerboy | fleischergesell: tab-completion is a gift from God. |
| 21:02.09 | smhar | I have a chroot that installs and compile packages for a gentoo system, how can I renice every thing that happen in the chroot, so that I can still have workable debian? |
| 21:02.14 | wols | fleischergesell: later ones do, but far from all |
| 21:02.36 | Tigerboy | Fleischergesell: I do not believe it was man made. |
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| 21:06.22 | fleischergesell | Tigerboy: I do not believe in god or anything like that. |
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| 21:09.44 | Tigerboy | flaeischergesell: thank you for telling me that |
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| 21:10.54 | fleischergesell | No worries, you're welcome. |
| 21:11.28 | mikul | Does someone know how to boost the mic some more when the mic boost is on 100% ? cuz ppl can barely hear me when i talk in skype. |
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| 21:12.56 | Tigerboy | mikul: Mic boost is working in the 39X kernels like liquorix but they sometimes don't work on all systems be careful to install all firmwares you might need |
| 21:13.25 | Tigerboy | i think mic boost is working on apttosid too |
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| 21:19.04 | TheBigOne`RD | Why debian no Fedora ? I`m beginner .. with usin Linux |
| 21:19.05 | TheBigOne`RD | using* |
| 21:19.52 | Tigerboy | TheBigOne'RD: you can use some packages from fedora in deb but it will require some time to learn things |
| 21:19.54 | mikul | Tigerboy, i just need some way to boost the mic some more.. the mic works quite okey, except the vol is very low.. so i need to increase the volume somehow. |
| 21:20.09 | devil | TheBigOne`RD: there is no short answer to that. |
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| 21:20.46 | TheBigOne`RD | devil but some people says that debian is more good for hacking and server ? |
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| 21:21.04 | Tigerboy | Mikul: do a google search on debian liquorix install |
| 21:21.44 | Tigerboy | TheBigOne'RD: deb is great also as a desktop... |
| 21:22.10 | TheBigOne`RD | Tigerboy I'd be proud of if you give me directly link for downloading |
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| 21:22.22 | TheBigOne`RD | cuz In our sites I feend it too big... over 4-5 GB |
| 21:23.07 | mikul | Tigerboy, okey, will do =) |
| 21:23.20 | mikul | Tigerboy, cheers |
| 21:23.21 | Tigerboy | http://debian.org/ then look under getting debian for options |
| 21:23.29 | TheBigOne`RD | yeah I get it |
| 21:23.32 | Tigerboy | http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 21:23.55 | TheBigOne`RD | Tigerboy it is that good one ? http://caesar.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:23.56 | Tigerboy | mikul:cheers |
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| 21:24.03 | TheBigOne`RD | I`m downloading from debian.org |
| 21:24.31 | Tigerboy | THeBigOne'RD: I find the bittorrent download option to be the fastest and best overall |
| 21:25.05 | TheBigOne`RD | yeah but is that version good one: debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst |
| 21:25.07 | TheBigOne`RD | or it is shit ? |
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| 21:25.58 | Tigerboy | TheBigOne`RD: it is a very good start but you have to be willing to work a bit like add contrib and non-free to the repository lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:26.03 | leonardo_ | Hi people, i installed a program called bitcoin, but when I tried to load it I see this message on terminal: EXCEPTION: N5boost16exception_detail10clone_implINS0_19error_info_injectorINS_6system12system_errorEEEEE |
| 21:26.04 | leonardo_ | Cannot assign requested address |
| 21:26.04 | leonardo_ | bitcoin in ThreadRPCServer() |
| 21:26.04 | leonardo_ | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::system::system_error> >' |
| 21:26.04 | wontoner | I have a question about upgrading from lenny to squeeze, the dpkg bot said to check if there is a 2.6.32 kernel installed and 'reboot into it' |
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| 21:26.08 | wontoner | what does that mean, reboot into it? |
| 21:26.43 | devil | wontoner: just reboot to that kernel |
| 21:26.49 | Tigerboy | wontoner: just reboot the pc and select that kernel |
| 21:26.57 | wontoner | I didn't realize you could select different kernels when booting |
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| 21:26.58 | devil | wontoner: you can choose between different kernels in grub |
| 21:27.04 | wontoner | interesting |
| 21:27.20 | Tigerboy | wontoner: there is a menu called a grub menu when you first boot up |
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| 21:27.40 | streuner_ | wontoner: grub usually makes newer kernels as default, so just give it a try |
| 21:27.48 | wontoner | its a remote virtual server, I don't get to observe the boot screen |
| 21:28.18 | wontoner | But thanks for the information |
| 21:28.19 | leonardo__ | Hi people, i installed a program called bitcoin, but when i tried to load it I see this message on terminal: http://paste.debian.net/123416/ Do you know what this means and how to fix it? |
| 21:28.22 | Tigerboy | wontoner: try using kvm maybe |
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| 21:29.13 | streuner_ | judd, versions bitcoin |
| 21:29.15 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'bitcoin' was found in i386. |
| 21:29.19 | devil | leonardo__: as bitcoin is not in debia, rather not |
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| 21:29.34 | leonardo__ | devil: it is |
| 21:29.48 | devil | leonardo__: is it? i cant find it |
| 21:29.53 | leonardo__ | devil: bitcoin is a debian package |
| 21:30.12 | devil | leonardo__: its not 'in'debian |
| 21:30.19 | babilen | ,info bitcoind |
| 21:30.20 | judd | No record of package 'bitcoind' in squeeze/i386. |
| 21:30.29 | babilen | ,info bitcoind --release sid |
| 21:30.30 | judd | Package bitcoind (utils, optional) in sid/i386: peer-to-peer network based anonymous digital currency - daemon. Version: 0.3.21~dfsg-2; Size: 469.8k; Installed: 1172k; Homepage: http://www.bitcoin.org/ |
| 21:30.31 | leonardo__ | devil: look on synaptic |
| 21:30.43 | streuner_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bitcoin |
| 21:30.47 | leonardo__ | on wheezy |
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| 21:30.56 | devil | leonardo__: i dont have synaptic ;) |
| 21:31.09 | babilen | leonardo__: Have you checked the BTS already? (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 21:31.22 | leonardo__ | yes |
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| 21:31.31 | leonardo__ | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/bitcoind |
| 21:31.42 | babilen | leonardo__: Read README.Debian? Just assume that we know everyhting about Debian and nothing about bitcoind and take it from there. |
| 21:32.07 | oscurochu | My screen resolution is 1024x768, and I want to change it to 1280x768. My xorg file is here: http://dpaste.com/571760/ and it doesnt want to work for me. The server refuses to load. (I have the line commented that causes it to not load) |
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| 21:32.18 | leonardo__ | babilen: I just thought someone could know by the log what problem could be |
| 21:32.39 | leonardo__ | port problem? |
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| 21:33.01 | oscurochu | I've never had problems changing my resolution, im not sure what I'm doing wrong. First time using linux in just a few months and I swear I've gotten stupid. -_- |
| 21:33.27 | Tigerboy | bitcoind is in there |
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| 21:34.08 | devil | oscurochu: as user, do: xrandr -s xxxxXyyyy |
| 21:34.20 | wontoner | If I upgrade my lenny to squeeze and my kernel is already 2.6.33, can i just ignore this command the dpkg bot recommends? apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
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| 21:35.00 | babilen | leonardo__: It looks like a configuration problem. Could you paste a diff between your config and the one you based yours on? Presumably the one in /usr/share/doc/bitcoind/examples/ |
| 21:35.08 | oscurochu | Size 1280x768 not found in available modes |
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| 21:35.32 | leonardo__ | babilen: wait |
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| 21:35.45 | devil | oscurochu: look at the output of xrandr withoit aruguments |
| 21:35.59 | Tigerboy | wontoner: look for startupmanager in the apt-get and install |
| 21:36.15 | Tigerboy | wontoner: you can set the default kernel from the desktop easily with startupmanger |
| 21:36.21 | oscurochu | whats that mean? you want me to paste it? |
| 21:36.50 | devil | oscurochu: it should tell you what resolutions are possible |
| 21:37.02 | wontoner | Tigerboy: I use command line only |
| 21:37.45 | oscurochu | I instaled the nvidia drivers so I can use 1280x1024 and 1280x768 (i have two monitors)... I've never had problems before. Why is this? |
| 21:38.12 | devil | oscurochu: pastebin glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:38.24 | oscurochu | command not found |
| 21:38.32 | devil | it should |
| 21:38.47 | devil | well, pastebin is not part of the command |
| 21:39.07 | oscurochu | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 21:39.22 | leonardo__ | babilen: this one is from the example: http://pastebin.com/aA5VQRw6 |
| 21:39.43 | devil | oscurochu: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 21:39.57 | Tigerboy | wontoner: get grub-choose-default |
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| 21:40.06 | leonardo__ | babilen: this one is my config: rpcpassword=JOKSHzIy5L |
| 21:40.13 | oscurochu | yeah i figured it out. lol |
| 21:40.23 | leonardo__ | babilen: only this information on my config file |
| 21:41.27 | Tigerboy | wontoner: I think if it is not on grub 2 it will upgrade you but that is fine |
| 21:41.30 | wontoner | Tigerboy: It looks like I'm running 2.6.33 already, and the bot is just saying I need to be running 2.6.32 |
| 21:41.53 | wontoner | the problem is that I have a half-upgraded debian install.. it was trying to auto upgrade itself and failed I guess? |
| 21:41.59 | wontoner | I'm pretty new to debian.. coming from ubuntu |
| 21:42.04 | oscurochu | http://dpaste.com/571771/ |
| 21:42.15 | Tigerboy | yes so use grub-choose-default and run that at command line in root |
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| 21:42.38 | devil | oscurochu: nvidia prop. driver seems installed alright |
| 21:43.21 | devil | oscurochu: so xrandr -s <whatever_is_supported> should work |
| 21:43.46 | Tigerboy | ubuntu is "based upon" deb but there are some significant differences---total raw no-nonfree to begin with and stripping of firmwares but once you get rolling I find many things work better |
| 21:43.55 | babilen | leonardo__: on second please -- how do you start it? |
| 21:44.00 | babilen | leonardo__: one* |
| 21:44.03 | oscurochu | I just don't understand... I've always been able to use my monitors recommended settings until recently. |
| 21:44.10 | leonardo__ | babilen: bitcoind |
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| 21:44.31 | devil | oscurochu: there are no known probs there |
| 21:44.34 | Tigerboy | many things work better in deb I meant if that wasn't clear |
| 21:44.46 | babilen | leonardo__: And how did you install it? (just more background information) |
| 21:45.03 | leonardo__ | by synaptic package manager |
| 21:45.21 | leonardo__ | babilen: by synaptic package manager |
| 21:45.22 | devil | oscurochu: oh, wait, you have both monitors set up? |
| 21:45.59 | oscurochu | no, not yet. my video card only supports one, but I switch between the two every once in a while |
| 21:46.20 | leonardo__ | babilen: someone on another irc said me that: <upb> Leo_: well the problem is that its trying to bind to an ip that you dont have |
| 21:46.20 | leonardo__ | [18:45] <upb> or something is already listening on the port |
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| 21:46.29 | devil | oscurochu: oh, ok. |
| 21:46.42 | Tigerboy | bitcoind is in testing |
| 21:47.03 | karlpinc_ | wontoner: Youneed to follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes. |
| 21:47.15 | sgn | If I plan to use squeeze with a few packages from sid or wheezy, how do I keep the latter packages updated without apt-get upgrading the others? |
| 21:47.41 | devil | !tell sgn default release |
| 21:47.49 | karlpinc_ | wontoner: (If you're upgrading lenny->squeeze, or in general from one stable to the next.) |
| 21:48.04 | devil | !default release |
| 21:48.05 | dpkg | Put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed) and replace foo with squeeze, wheezy, sid or experimental. That will make foo the standard release that packages will be fetched from. Also ask me about <tum> and see Debian bug #97564 if you are using a release earlier than squeeze. |
| 21:48.08 | devil | sgn: ^ |
| 21:48.19 | oscurochu | This is definitely a problem... there's got to be something wrong here that we're just not seeing |
| 21:48.39 | karlpinc_ | wontoner: If you're new to debian you might find typing "/msg dpkg overview" into irc helpful. |
| 21:48.48 | devil | oscurochu: yes. you could try creating a xorg.conf |
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| 21:49.10 | babilen | leonardo__: Seems to work fine here -- I would try the shipped configuration and change the ports. You are running wheezy? |
| 21:49.29 | wontoner | karlpinc_: Thanks I'll check it out |
| 21:49.33 | oscurochu | I did. Does everything look okay? http://dpaste.com/571760/ |
| 21:49.33 | leonardo__ | babilen: yes wheezy |
| 21:49.51 | wontoner | karlpinc_: I think I'll be able to go through the instructions no problem, but I was just concerned about the kernel upgrade part. I don't think I need to do it |
| 21:49.54 | babilen | leonardo__: Ok, let me try that version too. |
| 21:49.59 | devil | oscurochu: as you already have a Section 'Device' anyways |
| 21:50.03 | sgn | devil: apt will still update package x from sid on apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:50.25 | devil | sgn: yes, thats the plan |
| 21:50.32 | leonardo__ | babilen: but how to know if the port that bidcoin is trying to use is closed or opened? |
| 21:51.02 | leonardo__ | babilen: and why this happens to me. Did i do something to this happen? |
| 21:52.10 | devil | oscurochu: can you pastebin /var/log.Xorg.0.log? |
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| 21:52.41 | devil | oscurochu: and why is #Modes "1280x768" commented out? |
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| 21:53.15 | oscurochu | devil: If I try to do that, Xorg will try to load, and I won't be able to do anything but shutdown. control+alt+f1 wont even work at that point and I have no way to ssh into my pc |
| 21:53.20 | sgn | devil: Will "deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib" suffice, or should i add volatile and security lines? |
| 21:53.45 | oscurochu | devil: what would you suggest? |
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| 21:54.00 | devil | oscurochu: if you try what? |
| 21:54.09 | bader | Is not having default-start/stop runlevel in a squeeze LSB init script compliant with debian policy? |
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| 21:54.23 | devil | sgn: sid has no volatile or security |
| 21:54.34 | sgn | devil: 10-4. Thanks :) |
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| 21:55.49 | oscurochu | ill be back then devil, im gonna have to restart my computer to get that log for you |
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| 21:57.09 | babilen | leonardo__: The version from wheezy starts fine as well. Could you run "netstat -lntup" and paste the result -- Please also run "bitcoind" as your user and show mt the complete output. I guess you have *no* other configuration than the password? |
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| 21:58.19 | leonardo__ | babilen: yes I only have on confic the rpcpassword=blablabla |
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| 21:58.33 | leonardo__ | babilen: wll run the command |
| 21:59.21 | leonardo__ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/hmf0nAN0 |
| 22:00.33 | babilen | leonardo__: Ah, run that as root ... and also "bitcoind" and paste the output. bitcoind as user. |
| 22:00.50 | leonardo__ | one minute |
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| 22:01.38 | babilen | leonardo__: But it does not look as if the port is in user. No idea how bitcoind works and you might want to try with different settings in the configuration file. |
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| 22:01.57 | oscurochu | devil: it says screens found, but none have usable configuration. This is so frustrating |
| 22:02.18 | leonardo__ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/sYPcSWmn |
| 22:02.40 | devil | oscurochu: dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 22:02.54 | oscurochu | devil: given color depth is not supported. Why is it supported on ubuntu, gentoo, arch, but not on debian? |
| 22:03.06 | devil | oscurochu: and i would still like to see the log |
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| 22:03.31 | oscurochu | http://dpaste.com/571788/ |
| 22:03.39 | devil | oscurochu: i suspect ayour nvidia install to be somehow b0rked |
| 22:03.45 | oscurochu | http://dpaste.com/571789/ |
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| 22:06.04 | babilen | leonardo__: That looks ok (netstat) -- No idea what is causing the error in bitcoind. Did you start it before? |
| 22:06.29 | leonardo__ | babilen: no, it was the first time |
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| 22:07.08 | leonardo__ | babilen: seems bad so. No solution |
| 22:07.15 | babilen | leonardo__: And does "netstat -anp|grep 833" give you anything? |
| 22:07.24 | leonardo__ | babilen: but thanks. Will see |
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| 22:08.14 | leonardo__ | babilen: leonardo@debian:~$ netstat -anp|grep 833 |
| 22:08.14 | leonardo__ | (Nem todos os processos puderam ser identificados, informações sobre processos |
| 22:08.15 | leonardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:08.41 | leonardo__ | babilen: can you understand the message? |
| 22:09.11 | devil | oscurochu: did you set 32-bit depth somewhere? |
| 22:10.15 | Baribal | Hi. Got a little shell magic for me? I want to tail -f two files at the same time and splice them into one output (which I then run through my own program). |
| 22:10.39 | oscurochu | yes, but i was getting the same problem when i only set the resolution. if it makes you happy, ill only set tthe resolution... |
| 22:11.16 | devil | oscurochu: please try |
| 22:11.27 | oscurochu | i just tried uninstalling the module and reinstalling it to see if that helps... ill be back with a new log |
| 22:11.28 | babilen | leonardo__: I know what it is meant to say -- (run netstat as root, not all shown) -- But no further output? Hmm, no idea. I am sure bitcoin has an IRC channel too. You might want to play with the configuration file in /usr/share/doc/bitcoind/ a bit. Good luck - I am not investing more time in bitcoin scam |
| 22:11.36 | devil | oscurochu: this is all about your happiness, not mine :) |
| 22:11.46 | oscurochu | yeah true. lol :D |
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| 22:12.11 | leonardo__ | babilen: thanks for help |
| 22:12.23 | babilen | leonardo__: Hope you'll figure it out |
| 22:12.29 | leonardo__ | thanks |
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| 22:21.46 | oscurochu | My xorg log http://www.dpaste.org/zMof/ Xorg config http://dpaste.com/571796/ Xorg works, (Mode was in wrong section), but resolution does not |
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| 22:23.04 | devil | oscurochu: (WW) Jul 19 18:17:54 NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1280x768"; removing. |
| 22:23.17 | streuner_ | dpkg, nvidia |
| 22:23.17 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:23.22 | streuner_ | liable: hi |
| 22:23.43 | devil | oscurochu: (WW) Jul 19 18:17:54 NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI |
| 22:23.59 | oscurochu | I dont know what that means |
| 22:24.13 | streuner_ | NIVIDIA sounds like someone who using nvidia packages |
| 22:24.32 | sgn | Is the xbmc package from debian-multimedia 10.1 (dharma)? Doesn't seem so? |
| 22:25.07 | devil | oscurochu: forget the last one, but line 157 seems the problem |
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| 22:26.23 | devil | oscurochu: all in all, i have no idea at all, why 1280x768 would not work |
| 22:26.23 | streuner_ | sgn: xbmc-bin is in dmm, yes |
| 22:26.53 | streuner_ | sgn: Hole:5 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sid/main xbmc-bin i386 10.1-0.5 [6.494 kB] |
| 22:26.54 | oscurochu | Is the nv driver installed by default? |
| 22:26.54 | devil | oscurochu: i need to walk my dog, maybe fresh air will give me a clue :) |
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| 22:27.09 | oscurochu | ok well thanks for trying. |
| 22:27.13 | devil | oscurochu: nv is dead, nouveau is the new free driver |
| 22:27.23 | oscurochu | nuveau doesnt work for me |
| 22:27.23 | sgn | streuner_: But why is the squeeze version only 10.0? Isn't like it's in the main branch anyway :) |
| 22:27.27 | streuner_ | long live VESA :-P |
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| 22:27.50 | streuner_ | sgn: ask Marillat then :-P |
| 22:27.58 | devil | oscurochu: it needs to be removed (normaly nvidia driver blacklists it) you could check if its blacklisted or alternatively remove it |
| 22:28.07 | devil | oscurochu: back in a bit |
| 22:28.23 | devil | oscurochu: then restart X |
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| 22:30.34 | streuner_ | sgn: Marillat usually updates/upgrades packages in dmm really shortly, i have no idea why this package should be outdated |
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| 22:43.04 | devil | oscurochu: any news? |
| 22:43.32 | streuner_ | * oscurochu hat die Verbindung getrennt (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 22:44.43 | devil | :) |
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| 22:45.11 | streuner_ | devil: sure.... ;-) |
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| 22:46.11 | noobadix | Hi! I don't get my sound card working, has someone mercy and time to help me? |
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| 22:46.23 | streuner_ | dpkg, ask |
| 22:46.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:46.51 | devil | noobadix: no mercy ;) |
| 22:46.55 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 22:47.40 | streuner_ | noobadix: do you use OSS4 or ALSA? |
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| 22:48.11 | psiklops | hello. i just made a minimal squeeze install. when i type : # apt-get install deb<TAB> < -- <TAB> doesnt show me options that are connected to "deb"... what am i missing ? |
| 22:48.33 | daemonkeeper | The right shell? |
| 22:48.33 | noobadix | streuner_: I use alsa and the PCI card is known. Its ID is 2 and i can initialize it |
| 22:48.34 | Corey | psiklops: Urm... does completion normally work that way? |
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| 22:48.45 | daemonkeeper | It does, when using zsh. |
| 22:48.48 | daemonkeeper | (not bash) |
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| 22:48.52 | zykotick9 | psiklops, use "su -" and tab completion should work - just "su" will not |
| 22:49.01 | noobadix | streuner_: I've already checked the mixer and set all volumes to maximum |
| 22:49.21 | Corey | daemonkeeper: I'm in zsh now, and that's not completing. Curious. |
| 22:49.25 | psiklops | Corey: this also doesnt work as sudo |
| 22:49.28 | psiklops | :-) |
| 22:49.36 | Corey | psiklops: Right. I su - and zsh. |
| 22:49.38 | zykotick9 | psiklops, also, if you are using Debian aptitude is preferred over apt-get. |
| 22:49.49 | daemonkeeper | zykotick9: Wrong. |
| 22:49.56 | streuner_ | noobadix: does it work via LIVE-CD? |
| 22:50.01 | daemonkeeper | Corey: Want to show me your .zshrc? |
| 22:50.16 | zykotick9 | daemonkeeper, besides lenny->squeeze where is apt-get preferred? |
| 22:50.36 | daemonkeeper | zykotick9: I didn't say apt-get ist preferred. It said you are wrong claiming "aptitude" where. |
| 22:50.43 | daemonkeeper | *were |
| 22:50.44 | stew | Corey: autoload -U compinit ; compinit ; # then try again |
| 22:51.12 | streuner_ | noobadix: is your user in the audio-group? |
| 22:51.25 | Corey | stew: Ooh. |
| 22:51.28 | philips | Hrm, the orig.tar.gz isn't getting added to my .changes file. What do I need to add to debian/rules to fix that? |
| 22:51.40 | zykotick9 | daemonkeeper, ok ;) But coming from Ubuntu, I'd say there is a strong preference for aptitude among the Debian community. Guess I'm mistaken in observation ;) |
| 22:51.47 | stew | philips: what is the version number of the package you are creating? |
| 22:51.50 | noobadix | streuner_: I think so because my onboard sound works fine and the sound card works fine using windows |
| 22:51.54 | daemonkeeper | philips: Its not about debian/rules, but your options to dpkg-buildpackage (and the version number) |
| 22:52.14 | Corey | stew: What does compinit actually do? |
| 22:52.14 | stew | and whether or not dpkg-source can find it |
| 22:52.15 | streuner_ | noobadix: thats a good sign |
| 22:52.23 | daemonkeeper | Corey: initialize completion :( |
| 22:52.25 | daemonkeeper | :) |
| 22:52.25 | devil | zykotick9: you are, its probably prezactly 50:50 (with me being on the apt side) |
| 22:52.26 | noobadix | streuner_: and i don't know live cd :( |
| 22:52.33 | philips | daemonkeeper: stew: Version number is 0.7.0-dev1201106211409131 |
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| 22:52.43 | wolfric | anyone know where qemu-kvm has gone from debian? |
| 22:52.45 | philips | ugly, I know 8-) |
| 22:52.47 | streuner_ | noobadix: i meant Knoppix or grml for example |
| 22:52.56 | oscurochu | devil: nothing. |
| 22:53.00 | stew | philips: then before you build, you must have ../packagename_0.7.0.tar.orig.gz existing |
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| 22:53.16 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 22:53.24 | devil | ,versions quemu-kvm |
| 22:53.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'quemu-kvm' was found in i386. |
| 22:53.34 | stew | philips: is this really the "dev1201106211409131" debian revision of the 0.7.0 upstream source? that's quite a crazy revision number |
| 22:53.35 | devil | ,versions qemu-kvm |
| 22:53.36 | judd | Package qemu-kvm on i386 -- squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-5+squeeze3; lenny-backports: 0.12.5+dfsg-5+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.12.5+dfsg-5+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-5+squeeze4; sid: 0.14.1+dfsg-3; wheezy: 0.14.1+dfsg-3 |
| 22:53.37 | streuner_ | noobadix: so you dont have 2 different soundchips in that box (BIOS)? |
| 22:53.38 | daemonkeeper | Or force a full source upload (-F) |
| 22:53.39 | zykotick9 | wolfric, ? kvm is a dummy package for qemu-kvm on this squeeze box |
| 22:53.55 | devil | wolfric: its not gone |
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| 22:54.36 | noobadix | streuner_: I've got 1 onboard sound chip and 1 pci sound card. The pci soundcard works generally but not using debian. |
| 22:54.38 | devil | oscurochu: is nouveau removed (or blacklisted)? |
| 22:54.49 | streuner_ | noobadix: oh |
| 22:55.03 | noobadix | streuner_: at least I get no sound |
| 22:55.04 | devil | oscurochu: package would be xserver-xorg-driver-nouveau |
| 22:55.28 | streuner_ | noobadix: sure, just unplug the other soundcard or disable it |
| 22:55.43 | oscurochu | devil: How do I use the nv driver? I don't understand if the nouveau driver is still considered experimental, then why is the nv driver no longer used? Yes, it is blacklisted. I was also able to use my resolution with the nv driver in the past, but not with the vesa driver. So I am interested in using the nv driver only. |
| 22:55.53 | noobadix | streuner_: the onboard-chip? oO |
| 22:56.04 | devil | oscurochu: nv is dead and gone. nouveau is its successor |
| 22:56.22 | streuner_ | noobadix: what do you want to use at all? |
| 22:56.26 | noobadix | streuner_: I want the pci-card to work |
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| 22:56.43 | noobadix | streuner_: pci-sound card |
| 22:56.53 | streuner_ | noobadix: well, just disable it in BIOS then |
| 22:56.56 | devil | oscurochu: to use nouveau, un-blacklist it, remove all nvidia-related stuff, restart X |
| 22:56.57 | oscurochu | if nouveau is the successor, then why is it still considered experimental, and why doesnt it work? so many people have problems with it. |
| 22:57.08 | streuner_ | noobadix: (onboardsound) |
| 22:57.24 | oscurochu | nouveau certainly doesnt work for me. |
| 22:57.25 | eshat | I really like bash but would like ot have the zsh completion, especially the possibility to navigate thorugh the completion list would be nice to have in bash. Is there a way to get that working? |
| 22:57.36 | noobadix | streuner_: there is no way to tell alsa to use the pci-sound card?? |
| 22:57.41 | devil | oscurochu: its not considered experimental, if it was itz would not be in squeeze. but true enough, its not flawless on all cards yet |
| 22:57.56 | daemonkeeper | eshat: Doesn't it sound easier to use zsh but emulate the bash behavior you miss? |
| 22:58.03 | streuner_ | noobadix: no idea, but disable it in BIOS is the easy way |
| 22:58.11 | noobadix | streuner_: hm |
| 22:58.19 | oscurochu | So if its not flawless, then why cant I use the nv driver? |
| 22:58.25 | eshat | daemonkeeper: zsh has many different things, especially shortcuts, that I miss |
| 22:58.47 | oscurochu | it just doesnt make sense to throw a good driver out and replace it with one that works half as well. |
| 22:58.51 | noobadix | streuner_: okay, I'll try that thanks so far and I'll brb if it fails |
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| 22:59.03 | streuner_ | noobadix: good luck |
| 22:59.05 | eshat | daemonkeeper: plus, I work on many different machines and would have to change my prompt and all previous configuration |
| 22:59.13 | jbeatty | oscurochu: unless you're more concerned with philosophy than convenience |
| 22:59.13 | daemonkeeper | eshat: shortcuts? |
| 22:59.23 | daemonkeeper | eshat: Well, copy your .zshrc along. |
| 22:59.26 | jbeatty | I'm a nouveau user because I prefer to support free software than have some 3D acceleration I'd rarely use |
| 22:59.35 | oscurochu | jbeatty: i just want a good screen resolution. i dont need anything fancy. |
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| 22:59.48 | jbeatty | oscurochu: I get my full resolution (even in framebuffer) with nouveau just fine |
| 22:59.58 | jbeatty | and I get 100 FPS in Dwarf Fortress, so I'm happy with it |
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| 23:00.07 | oscurochu | jbeatty: nouveau does not work for me. its NOT an option |
| 23:00.15 | jbeatty | oscurochu: card too new? |
| 23:00.41 | oscurochu | GeForce 6150 LE |
| 23:00.50 | devil | oscurochu: if nouveau is blacklisted, i give up. no idea why nvidia wont give you your resolution |
| 23:01.12 | bader | Any developers that would consider rebuilding the squeeze rabbitmq-server binary packages to solve this issue (the source package is already corrected): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552434 |
| 23:01.22 | jbeatty | oscurochu: I have a GeForce 6100 and it works perfectly. Strange. |
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| 23:01.58 | eshat | daemonkeeper: what I mean is that all my bash settings will have to be migrated, plus zsh has some bugs completing stuff |
| 23:02.07 | streuner_ | bader: not many DDs lives here... |
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| 23:02.23 | jbeatty | bader: you may get better results from the email list |
| 23:02.29 | stew | he won't |
| 23:02.35 | streuner_ | hm |
| 23:02.35 | daemonkeeper | bader: By Debian release policy, it is not very likely (read: impossible) to fix minor bugs in stable. |
| 23:02.54 | bader | how about getting a bug reclassified? |
| 23:02.54 | oscurochu | jbeatty: did debian work "out of the box" for you? My first boot of debian, I get a blank screen as soon as the kernel begins loading. I reboot my computer, chroot into debian, install nvidia driver, and it works fine. Same problem with gentoo, arch, ubuntu, and any other distro that has the nouveau driver. |
| 23:02.55 | bader | :) |
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| 23:02.59 | stew | bader: its not just any dd that can do this, this would require a stable release manager, they are not likely to change a package in stable in order to fix a bug which is only priority: minor |
| 23:03.23 | jbeatty | oscurochu: I'm actually a Parabola user, I've never used nouveau with Debian or any derivative |
| 23:03.25 | daemonkeeper | bader: Well, feel free to try. Reading the bug I don't see how this qualifies release critical. |
| 23:03.28 | jbeatty | but let me tell you my experience |
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| 23:03.50 | d0gbert | Anyone here from redspin, inc? |
| 23:03.51 | jbeatty | as soon as I see a framebuffer, my screen goes black. I actually have to get up and wait for the monitor to fall asleep, then when I press a button, SLiM comes up |
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| 23:03.58 | d0gbert | if so, PM me please... |
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| 23:04.08 | jbeatty | I have to actually wait for my monitor to go to sleep before it'll work, but it works perfectly for any length of time afterwards |
| 23:04.09 | bader | I understand, and appreciate that, I just disagree about not fixing it |
| 23:04.13 | bader | just seems silly |
| 23:04.13 | streuner_ | d0gbert: what the hell is redspin, inc? |
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| 23:04.19 | noobadix | streuner_: It worked! thank you very much. |
| 23:04.24 | d0gbert | streuner_: a pentesting company |
| 23:04.29 | daemonkeeper | bader: Nobody said it won't be fixed. The fix won't enter stable though. |
| 23:04.29 | streuner_ | noobadix: np |
| 23:04.41 | stew | bader: its what makes "stable" "stable". we don't change packages just for simple bugs |
| 23:04.45 | jbeatty | oscurochu: so it seems like it doesn't work, but actually does. |
| 23:04.45 | oscurochu | jbeatty: i've never had such luck. I can try it again I suppose. I am using gdm, should this make a difference? |
| 23:04.52 | streuner_ | d0gbert: i doubt that |
| 23:05.01 | daemonkeeper | bader: However the bug is ... older. Don't know why the maintainer didn't fix it (yet) |
| 23:05.05 | jbeatty | oscurochu: no clue, I've only used SLiM since it started happening back when 2.8.39-LIBRE came out |
| 23:05.10 | jbeatty | worked fine back in 2.8.38-LIBRE |
| 23:05.19 | d0gbert | streuner_: doubt what? |
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| 23:05.37 | streuner_ | d0gbert: that someone of that company ideling here ;-) |
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| 23:05.41 | bader | daemonkeeper: yeah, it's unfortunate that the maintainer sat on it and now that squeeze has stabilized it'll never see sane behavior |
| 23:05.51 | stew | d0gbert: is this somehow debian related? |
| 23:05.52 | d0gbert | there was someone from there here before :) |
| 23:06.10 | jbeatty | *2.6 I mean, lol |
| 23:06.44 | streuner_ | d0gbert: you should have a good reason you ask this kind of question, because stew is OP in #debian and stuff in freenote too... |
| 23:06.59 | stew | ? |
| 23:07.19 | d0gbert | streuner_: on the internet nobody knows you're a dog.... |
| 23:07.25 | streuner_ | you already asked him about related questions here... |
| 23:07.34 | streuner_ | wtf? |
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| 23:07.56 | streuner_ | d0gbert: dude, make some sense... |
| 23:08.00 | devil | oscurochu: one last thought: you did not disable KMS manualy, did you? |
| 23:08.13 | d0gbert | streuner_: it makes perfect sense if you understand the reference. |
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| 23:08.40 | streuner_ | d0gbert: well, we dont know, if you got about our questions before... |
| 23:09.26 | streuner_ | has no idea what you talking about |
| 23:09.38 | d0gbert | streuner_: its ok, I already got what I came for anyway. |
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| 23:11.46 | d0gbert | anyway thanks for the info and don't forget your towels... |
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| 23:11.51 | stew | bader: you might ask the release team if this is a candidate for fixing. it might be, since LSB headers was a release goal, though I wouldn't keep my hopes up |
| 23:12.10 | daemonkeeper | stew: First, it would need a maintainer taking care ... |
| 23:12.18 | stew | daemonkeeper: i don't believe so |
| 23:12.32 | daemonkeeper | stew: Why should the release team do a NMU? |
| 23:12.54 | stew | daemonkeeper: anyone can do an nmu, members of the release team do all the time |
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| 23:13.39 | stew | daemonkeeper: anyway, they are also the ones which really decide which bugs are RC |
| 23:13.57 | daemonkeeper | True that |
| 23:14.07 | streuner_ | yeah |
| 23:14.42 | streuner_ | NMU is really an exeption... |
| 23:15.04 | daemonkeeper | Not such an exception ... |
| 23:15.26 | streuner_ | too much hassle in most cases |
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| 23:16.01 | streuner_ | there must be a real good reason to do a NMU |
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| 23:16.04 | mattfury | hello |
| 23:16.10 | stew | i'm not sure I follow. NMU isn't typically much of a hassle |
| 23:16.15 | mattfury | howto get into console for nvidia drivers install? |
| 23:16.20 | wobblyonions | how can I stop a local host from generating syslog messages |
| 23:16.29 | daemonkeeper | And not fixing a bug since 2009 does qualify for "a good reason" |
| 23:16.31 | mattfury | ctrl+alt+f1 = console1 not working, just black screen |
| 23:16.34 | stew | and a long standing bug which is being ignored by maintainers is a good reason |
| 23:16.36 | streuner_ | stew: you have to convince some people... |
| 23:16.45 | stew | streuner_: why? |
| 23:16.52 | daemonkeeper | streuner_: Any DD can do a NMU |
| 23:17.02 | streuner_ | stew: to a good reason why you need a NMU? |
| 23:17.06 | daemonkeeper | With or without acknowledge by anyone. |
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| 23:17.29 | stew | "to a good reason"? |
| 23:17.33 | stew | doesn't parse |
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| 23:17.38 | mattfury | oh reminds me, have to get a gpg key sometime soon ;D |
| 23:17.55 | mattfury | (signed & verified digitally) |
| 23:18.01 | oscurochu | That was a waste of time. My screen goes to sleep and that's the end of it, unless I'm just pressing the wrong "any" key. |
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| 23:18.09 | stew | and though, of course, you need to be a DD to upload an NMU, anyone can prepare one |
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| 23:19.08 | bader | stew: i have a coworker who I think still has dd status, would I have better chances if he filed it? |
| 23:19.13 | daemonkeeper | streuner_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#nmu-guidelines Some guidelines for NMUs. The reasons listed there do qualify. |
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| 23:19.40 | asarch | Low volumen level for RS880 Audio Device [Radeon HD 4200]? |
| 23:19.47 | daemonkeeper | bader: If your colleague is a DD he actually can fix it in unstable which is a excellent start to get it to stable. |
| 23:19.48 | asarch | How did you fix that? |
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| 23:20.17 | stew | bader: someone, it doens't matter who, should ask the release team if this should be RC, since it is a LSB-init script problem |
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| 23:21.07 | stew | and it actually looks like this package IS maintained |
| 23:21.31 | stew | its had a bunch of uploads this year |
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| 23:22.07 | daemonkeeper | So either the maintainers don't consider this a bug, or ... they forgot? |
| 23:22.54 | stew | getting the priority raised to RC and therefore stopping it from migrating to testing might wake them up :) |
| 23:23.08 | bader | in this case, it's already fixed in wheezy |
| 23:23.12 | bader | lemme check unstable. |
| 23:23.13 | stew | oh |
| 23:23.20 | daemonkeeper | So they forgot to close the bug? |
| 23:23.24 | bader | no |
| 23:23.24 | stew | bader: if its fixed in wheezy, the bts should be marked as such |
| 23:23.40 | philips | daemonkeeper: stew: Thanks, that hint pointed me in the right direction |
| 23:23.45 | bader | yeah, the squeeze source package shows it too |
| 23:23.48 | bader | just not the binary |
| 23:23.57 | daemonkeeper | ehm |
| 23:24.05 | daemonkeeper | Did you try to purge the package? |
| 23:24.11 | daemonkeeper | Initscripts are treatened as conffiles. |
| 23:24.15 | bader | I did, although I don't mind doing it again |
| 23:24.22 | daemonkeeper | That is, they won't be overwritten if you touched it. |
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| 23:25.31 | bader | yeah, just confirmed it |
| 23:25.38 | bader | on a freshly preseeded box |
| 23:25.43 | bader | nothing but debootstrap |
| 23:26.49 | daemonkeeper | Ehm |
| 23:26.51 | bader | still missing the LSB default-start/stop information |
| 23:27.00 | bader | (squeeze) |
| 23:27.11 | daemonkeeper | I'm seeing compliant LSB headers in the squeeze source package. |
| 23:27.24 | bader | yep |
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| 23:28.13 | daemonkeeper | So does the binary. |
| 23:28.33 | bader | erm |
| 23:28.40 | bader | I just grabbed it from http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rabbitmq-server/rabbitmq-server_1.8.1-1_all.deb |
| 23:28.42 | bader | and I didn't get it |
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| 23:29.32 | daemonkeeper | Do "mkdir foo; cd foo; ar x ../rabbitmq-server_1.8.1-1_all.deb; tar zxfv data.tar.gz; cat etc/init.d/ |
| 23:29.38 | daemonkeeper | Sorry cat etc/init.d/rabbitmq-server |
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| 23:30.01 | bader | am I nuts? http://pastebin.com/aDYSzFGX |
| 23:30.03 | daemonkeeper | You wil lsee |
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| 23:30.07 | bader | k |
| 23:30.42 | stew | "dpkg -x ../rabbitmq-server_1.8.1-1_all.deb ." works too |
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| 23:30.53 | streuner_ | dpkg, daemonkeeper++ |
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| 23:31.00 | stew | and in there, Default-Start, Default-Stop are blank |
| 23:31.10 | bader | yeah, that's my problem |
| 23:31.16 | bader | there are no rcs |
| 23:31.28 | bader | shouldn't it not be blank? |
| 23:31.28 | leonardo_ | Hi people, using synaptic I see recomendation missing. Is it importat install these packages? |
| 23:31.45 | streuner_ | leonardo_: no |
| 23:31.53 | leonardo_ | ok, thanks |
| 23:32.10 | daemonkeeper | Is this a required LSB header? Going to dif |
| 23:32.11 | daemonkeeper | *dig |
| 23:33.08 | bader | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.3.3.1 says it should start at 2,3,4,5 |
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| 23:33.14 | bader | at least that's my personal interpretation :) |
| 23:33.36 | daemonkeeper | http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html |
| 23:33.39 | stew | LSB headers are not required by policy yet. they were required by the release team |
| 23:33.42 | daemonkeeper | This is what LSB says. |
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| 23:34.27 | daemonkeeper | It says "which run levels should by default run the init script", so question is, whether this "should" reads as a Debian policy should or not. |
| 23:34.57 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 23:34.59 | daemonkeeper | http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/def.html |
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| 23:35.07 | daemonkeeper | So this is not a required LSB header. |
| 23:35.09 | bader | The other administrators I've talked to, myself included, think that this is inconsistent with the expected behavior of a packaged daemon. Â Installing the package starts the rabbitmq-server service but because the init script lacks default-start/stop runlevels if the machine is rebooted the service will not start on boot. Â Even if a administrator runs update-rc.d rabbitmq-server defaults, nothing will happen (this is actually exactly what th |
| 23:35.19 | streuner_ | leonardo_: they are still recommentations, you have to decide for your own if they important for you... |
| 23:35.45 | leonardo_ | streuner_: thanks for the information |
| 23:35.47 | stew | regardless about what the LSB documentation says, this is up to the release team as to whether or not this is RC |
| 23:35.50 | streuner_ | np |
| 23:35.54 | bader | eyah |
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| 23:36.39 | bader | I just wanted to make sure that people don't think I'm just being pendantic |
| 23:38.05 | daemonkeeper | Maybe try to comment in the bug report first. You should have a lot of resources to point to now ;) |
| 23:38.10 | bader | anyways I appreciate everyone's advice, what is the recommended way to contact the release team? |
| 23:38.18 | bader | ok :) |
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| 23:38.53 | streuner_ | release team is a team who fix bugs... |
| 23:39.05 | streuner_ | usually :-P |
| 23:39.12 | stew | what? no |
| 23:39.13 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates + http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ReleaseTeam |
| 23:39.20 | daemonkeeper | ^- bader |
| 23:39.41 | streuner_ | stew: RMs arent? ;-) |
| 23:40.14 | daemonkeeper | The release team does not care about RM, the ftpmasters do |
| 23:40.21 | stew | streuner_: no, they aren't a team that fixes bugs. EVERYBODY fixes bugs. |
| 23:40.43 | streuner_ | stew: yes, bascially |
| 23:40.46 | stew | streuner_: the release team decides what goes into testing and what goes into stable |
| 23:41.10 | streuner_ | stew: and they have to fix bugs at at least, dont they? |
| 23:41.14 | stew | no |
| 23:41.16 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 23:41.34 | stew | they review lots of patches from bugfixes... |
| 23:41.50 | streuner_ | 3 Debian people and 2 op., thats new to me :-) |
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| 23:44.30 | bader | daemonkeeper, stew, streuner thanks guys I appreciate it⦠I'll work something up and send it to the release team |
| 23:44.42 | bader | I'll cross my fingers and not hold my breath :) |
| 23:44.53 | streuner_ | some people said, Debian is dead in woody times, well, you cannot imagine HOW many people fixed bugs then.... |
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| 23:46.16 | streuner_ | stew: in short, that was exception :-P |
| 23:46.30 | zykotick9 | Having issues removing Gnome menu items in the Games category, specifically other areas do not seem to have issue. I used alacarte to uncheck AisleRiot, Five or More, etc (from both Games and Debian/Games) but even after "killall gnome-panel" they are still listed, although shown as unchecked in alacarte. |
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| 23:47.13 | daemonkeeper | bader: I would suggest: a) provide a fix for the bug (its a trivial patch), reply to the bug point to squeeze release goals, the LSB standard I cited, raise severity b) Ask maintainers to fix the bug in unstable c) contact the release team. You can go straight to the release team, but you improve your chance if you provide a patch to review. |
| 23:48.50 | zykotick9 | note to above, in alacarte in the Debian section Games cannot be unchecked? If I uncheck it, a few seconds pass and the checkmark reappears? |
| 23:51.50 | zykotick9 | I removed gnome-games & gnome-games-data to resolve my issue, but something is "strange" with Debian's game menu in Gnome |
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| 23:53.28 | streuner_ | zykotick9: nothing in it in game menu anymore? ;-) |
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