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| 00:03.29 | converge | everytime i boot debian i have to do: loadkeys path/keymap.gz, how could the system do it automaticly ? |
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| 00:07.33 | oday | i cannot seem to find "iwlwifi" or "firmware-iwlwifi" |
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| 00:07.48 | oday | although I've added the contrib non-free line to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:11.40 | stew | copy or link path/keymap.gz to /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 00:12.01 | stew | judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:12.03 | judd | Package firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 0.14+lenny2; lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; sid/non-free: 0.32; wheezy/non-free: 0.32 |
| 00:12.04 | devil | oday: you need to: apt-get update to propagate the changes |
| 00:12.13 | oday | i did update and upgrade, devil |
| 00:12.23 | yagoo | there something like this for debian? (a boot-repair? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair ) |
| 00:12.25 | stew | oday: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 00:12.54 | yagoo | (i know there's the text rescue boot from cd-- mountpoints chroot, etc etc) |
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| 00:14.21 | oday | stew, http://pastebin.com/ZWUMDRKn |
| 00:14.55 | oday | also, Package firmware-iwlwifi is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:15.04 | oday | but i don't get the package name in the output |
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| 00:15.27 | stew | oday: i only see main in there, no contrib or non-free. can you show us /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:16.59 | oday | stew, http://pastebin.com/zH00fRSU |
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| 00:18.06 | oday | oh |
| 00:18.09 | oday | :) |
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| 00:18.22 | oday | sorry |
| 00:18.30 | oday | added it to the wrong line, right? |
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| 00:19.11 | oday | solved |
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| 00:22.17 | kurtis | Hey guys, for some reason after updating both my linux box (Squeeze) and my OSX box (to Lion), I can't mount my smb share that is hosted on the OSX box anymore. I run the simplest command that I can to mount the share and I still get this error stating "mount error(22): Invalid argument" |
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| 00:24.44 | MrFrood | kurtis: did not Apple drop samba from lion? |
| 00:26.44 | boudiccas | kurtis; have you thought of asking in #apple ? |
| 00:26.49 | kurtis | I'm not sure on the details, but I did read they dropped it. Although it's still there (as an option in sharing) ? something about using CIFS instead of Samba |
| 00:27.21 | kurtis | boudiccas: I Wanted to check here first because I'm pretty sure it's on my Debian-end since I'm getting an invalid argument as opposed to someting like an authentication error |
| 00:28.15 | kurtis | and plus, #apple and even apple developers are kinda like asking illiterate people how to write an essay :) |
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| 00:31.30 | kurtis | McFrood: just read some more stuff and it looks like you might be on to something. they just don't have a good/compatible implementation anymore |
| 00:31.57 | MrFrood | kurtis: just a guess if they changed from samba to something else perhap the format of the argument you need to send has changed? |
| 00:32.51 | MrFrood | thinks kurtis is going to be reading a lot of documentation |
| 00:33.02 | kurtis | MrFrood: That's a good possibility. Do you suggest I just abandon samba and go with NFS? Or is there even a different recommended networking file system? I tried sshfs but it was too slow (even over my 100mb/s network) |
| 00:33.06 | kurtis | haha |
| 00:33.21 | MrFrood | kurtis: no idea |
| 00:33.42 | debian806 | Does "apt-get install [packagename]" command install that package's dependencies AND recommended packages? |
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| 00:33.58 | kurtis | debian806: Yep |
| 00:34.25 | debian806 | kurtis: Is it possible to tell it to NOT install the recommended packages? :) |
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| 00:34.55 | boudiccas | debian806; yes, just dont run apt-get install foobar |
| 00:35.24 | MrFrood | debian806: depens on your settings but iircinstalling recommended is the default |
| 00:35.42 | MrFrood | *ddepends |
| 00:35.44 | debian806 | Ah, cool. Thanks |
| 00:35.57 | MrFrood | needs a new d key |
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| 00:38.12 | stew | debian806: /msg dpkg apt-recommends |
| 00:38.57 | debian806 | I wanted to install a minimal ubuntu in VM under squeeze, and it seems like ubuntu-desktop package installs libreoffice and other ilk by default, I wanted to exclude them |
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| 00:40.10 | MrFrood | ddon't use meta packages then |
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| 00:42.45 | debian806 | Ok, would I be able to install ubuntu with its sexy unity later? |
| 00:42.46 | tensorpudding | debian806: that's not a debian question, but an ubuntu one |
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| 00:43.10 | boudiccas | MrFrood; how long have you had that stutter? that one where you repeat your D's?? :) |
| 00:43.19 | debian806 | tensorpudding: I asked ubuntu guys, they weren't helpfel |
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| 00:43.44 | boudiccas | debian806; why should we know about ubuntu? |
| 00:44.06 | debian806 | it's not about ubuntu, i'ts about apt-get :/ |
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| 00:44.44 | [vali] | debian806: use the ubuntu-desktop package to select all things, then unselect the unwanted ones |
| 00:44.44 | tensorpudding | it's totally about ubuntu |
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| 00:45.11 | debian806 | [vali]: doing that right now, thanks pal |
| 00:45.20 | [vali] | of course, "ubuntu-desktop" will not be installed due dependencies, but is just a dummy package |
| 00:46.01 | tensorpudding | the picking of those nits confuses me |
| 00:46.02 | debian806 | tensorpudding: U MAD BRO? |
| 00:46.20 | MrFrood | boudiccas: iffy keyswitch on the d key - either nothing or the stutter, I must swap it out soon :-/ |
| 00:46.43 | tensorpudding | going out of your way to remove it just because you don't use it |
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| 00:47.41 | stew | debian806: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu, we only support debian here |
| 00:49.07 | debian806 | stew: kewl |
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| 00:50.25 | debian806 | those ubuntu guys should learn from you, they are bunch of http://t.co/ONS6Yyg |
| 00:51.12 | tensorpudding | :| |
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| 00:51.50 | stew | debian806: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. in the future, you must keep to the topic, which is debian end-user support, not ubuntu |
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| 00:52.09 | tensorpudding | you should have banned him |
| 00:52.16 | tensorpudding | for posting offensive links |
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| 00:57.48 | Phosphenes | C'mon, that's disgusting. This isn't 4chan. |
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| 01:02.32 | debian806 | As for the link, I deeply regret what I did, and apologize. As for the pic, it is disgusting! but that's how ubuntu guys were willing to help. Sorry guise :( |
| 01:03.43 | debian806 | Forget ubuntu, it was a *bad* idea to give it a try... |
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| 01:13.56 | blomqvist | Hi everyone |
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| 01:14.14 | blomqvist | I've a question regarding Debian preseed tasks |
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| 01:15.45 | blomqvist | I've same preseed file which installs 'standard' system and 'ssh' at two locations, but at one location, i get a minimal install with ssh (desired), and whereas at other location I get a GNOME desktop. |
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| 01:17.03 | boudiccas | blomqvist; so? |
| 01:17.16 | blomqvist | I'm trying to figure out what's causing this, and how to fix this. |
| 01:17.24 | blomqvist | any ideas? |
| 01:17.33 | kgoetz | how do the sites differ? same install medi |
| 01:17.35 | kgoetz | a? |
| 01:17.59 | Corey | !seen jsub12 |
| 01:17.59 | dpkg | Corey: i haven't seen 'jsub12' |
| 01:18.00 | Jikan | Aucune trace de jsub12 dans la base de données LastSeen. |
| 01:18.08 | Corey | Jikan: Turn that off please. |
| 01:18.10 | blomqvist | both sites differ in terms of debian mirrors, which are local 'pkg-cacher' servers and use ftp.us.debian.org as upstream |
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| 01:20.19 | blomqvist | I think I found a bug in my 'preseed.cfg' file misspelled multiselect as multselect :( |
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| 01:20.34 | kgoetz | :| |
| 01:20.56 | blomqvist | not sure how that's even working on one site, and not on other site...:S |
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| 01:21.27 | blomqvist | Do you know if I can log preseed install actions ? |
| 01:21.36 | blomqvist | during installation. |
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| 01:21.56 | blomqvist | i can see /var/log/apt/history.log, but is there anything more than that I can get. |
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| 01:23.47 | MichaelXX2 | Well |
| 01:24.03 | MichaelXX2 | I have two monitors and I want one monitor's panel to display all the programs running on it |
| 01:24.08 | MichaelXX2 | And I can't seem to |
| 01:24.11 | kgoetz | blomqvist: the installer log should cover (some of) it |
| 01:25.02 | blomqvist | oh, right, I missed that, thanks. |
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| 02:00.57 | mouse | Unpacking replacement e2fsprogs ... |
| 02:00.57 | mouse | Replaced by files in installed package util-linux ... |
| 02:00.57 | mouse | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/e2fsprogs_1.42~WIP-2011-07-02-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:00.57 | mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.57 | mouse | configured to not write apport reports |
| 02:00.57 | dpkg | mouse: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 02:01.07 | mouse | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:01.09 | mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.11 | mouse | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:01.13 | mouse | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 02:01.15 | mouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.17 | mouse | Yeah, wrong window. |
| 02:01.19 | mouse | Sorry. |
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| 02:01.29 | mouse | http://pastebin.com/s1RjeUML |
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| 02:07.28 | stew | mouse: does /usr/share/locale/id/LC_MESSAGES not exist on your machine? |
| 02:08.29 | mouse | i just made it ;[ |
| 02:08.31 | mouse | ;] |
| 02:09.01 | stew | did you previously delete it? |
| 02:09.45 | mouse | i have NO clue |
| 02:09.54 | mouse | however it still |
| 02:10.35 | mouse | why would it be deleted? |
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| 02:18.15 | tux_ | keepass, password gorilla |
| 02:18.24 | tux_ | any terminal based ones |
| 02:18.29 | tux_ | written in NOT TCL? |
| 02:18.40 | tux_ | or .net |
| 02:19.06 | pipeline | keepassx is by far the best, and there are command line utilities to read/write the gorilla/keepassx format |
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| 02:20.15 | tux_ | What about creating your own... Understand I understand this is offtopic |
| 02:20.40 | mgid | hi, is cpufreqd crashing for anyone else? i'm on kernel 3.0.0-rc7 |
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| 02:21.26 | tux_ | GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem. |
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| 02:23.17 | tux_ | GStreamer was unable to detect any sound devices. Some sound system specific GStreamer packages may be missing. It may also be a permissions problem. |
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| 02:23.55 | tux_ | what is it 'meta package' |
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| 02:24.38 | tux_ | does debian have those? like apt-get install 'gstreamer-alsa' for the current gstreamer alsa |
| 02:24.51 | tux_ | why do i have such error? |
| 02:24.59 | tux_ | i am so awkwardly confused. |
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| 02:25.41 | pipeline | a metapackage is a package that doesn't do anything but pull in other packages |
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| 02:26.11 | pipeline | the metapackages you probably want are gstreamer0.10-plugins-good and gstreamer0.10-plugins-base |
| 02:26.19 | pipeline | gstreamer0.10-alsa also exists |
| 02:26.29 | tux_ | installed brah |
| 02:26.36 | pipeline | the version number is inside the packag ename because gstreamer 0.10 and 0.08 existed side-by-side on some things |
| 02:26.40 | tux_ | however brah same ERROR |
| 02:26.52 | tux_ | and bro, it sure is in the audio group you feel |
| 02:26.57 | tux_ | so why error ? |
| 02:27.05 | tux_ | i do this |
| 02:27.22 | tux_ | apt-cache search gstreamer | less |
| 02:27.43 | tux_ | so i did that and installed that, error? |
| 02:27.47 | tux_ | gstreamer0.10-alsa |
| 02:27.50 | tux_ | done |
| 02:27.50 | tux_ | did |
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| 02:28.23 | tux_ | pipline, do you recall me error? I need sound... Only root gets sound... Why? |
| 02:28.24 | pipeline | tux_: install gstreamer0.10-tools and run gstreamer-properties, fiddle around *shrug* |
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| 02:28.32 | pipeline | tux_: oh, only root works? that's hella easy |
| 02:28.40 | tux_ | oh yeah |
| 02:28.42 | pipeline | tux_: you need to be in the "audio" group to read/write to audio device files |
| 02:28.44 | tux_ | and i browser with ksudo |
| 02:28.54 | pipeline | tux_: don't run the browser as root goodness gracious |
| 02:28.54 | tux_ | you need to be root to run firefox |
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| 02:29.00 | pipeline | tux_: what |
| 02:29.01 | pipeline | tux_: no |
| 02:29.04 | tux_ | yeah |
| 02:29.06 | pipeline | tux_: you broke something very badly |
| 02:29.12 | tux_ | calm down |
| 02:29.15 | pipeline | tux_: firefox is not intended to be run as root |
| 02:29.16 | tux_ | stop |
| 02:29.27 | tux_ | firefox is iceweasel |
| 02:29.31 | tux_ | i use iceweasel |
| 02:29.35 | tux_ | firefox is cooler |
| 02:29.39 | pipeline | yeah iceweasel is not intended to be run as root |
| 02:29.41 | pipeline | that's a Bad Idea |
| 02:29.42 | tux_ | iceweasel is still lmae |
| 02:29.49 | tux_ | well, you can... |
| 02:29.51 | pipeline | iceweasel is intended to be lame |
| 02:29.52 | pipeline | that is the purpose |
| 02:29.59 | tux_ | well update it to the new firefox |
| 02:30.01 | tux_ | you feel? |
| 02:30.05 | MrFrood | iceweasel is the kewlest :P |
| 02:30.13 | tux_ | i like the stolen chrome theme |
| 02:30.14 | pipeline | iceweasel should only be updated through system mechanisms |
| 02:30.21 | tux_ | well... |
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| 02:30.35 | tux_ | I hacked your mom, while she was updating her ugly iceweasel |
| 02:30.43 | MrFrood | mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:30.44 | tux_ | and i replace it with my cool chrome like firefox |
| 02:30.50 | pipeline | tux_: if you want a copy of firefox that you can update through their little menu, install a local copy in a directory inside your home directory |
| 02:30.58 | tux_ | i know |
| 02:31.00 | tux_ | but still. |
| 02:31.01 | tux_ | chrom |
| 02:31.03 | tux_ | d |
| 02:31.08 | tux_ | i HATE gooogle |
| 02:31.13 | tux_ | i used to like em |
| 02:31.16 | pipeline | that's wonderful but irrelevant |
| 02:31.21 | tux_ | still... |
| 02:31.22 | pipeline | try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:31.22 | tux_ | broken sound |
| 02:31.25 | tux_ | brb |
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| 02:36.06 | tux_ | wait |
| 02:36.18 | tux_ | mr. pipeline |
| 02:36.20 | boudiccas | tux_; can you please not use the ENTER key as punctuation |
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| 02:36.32 | tux_ | I never did, and you have no proof i did. |
| 02:36.39 | tux_ | I mean sorry. |
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| 02:37.16 | tux_ | Mr. Pipeline, will you describe why i have no such thing as: gstreamer-properties |
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| 02:40.02 | tux_ | lays on floor |
| 02:41.35 | zykotick9 | Has anyone had success installing the game UT2004 (Midway DVD) on squeeze? The install.sh files from both ut2004_3369-english.midway.dvd-3.run and ut2004.megapack-english-3.run exit without any output. |
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| 03:07.56 | eflynn | Where is xorg.conf, did it disappear? |
| 03:08.14 | Arrowmaster | its not needed anymore |
| 03:08.27 | eflynn | Arrowmaster: ok what was it replaced by |
| 03:08.46 | Arrowmaster | majority of things are autodetected now |
| 03:09.16 | Arrowmaster | and theres xorg.conf.d for doing minor things without needing an entire config |
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| 03:10.44 | eflynn | Arrowmaster: I guess it makes more sense that way |
| 03:10.54 | eflynn | Arrowmaster: apache did something like that too |
| 03:11.05 | eflynn | Arrowmaster: but it's confusing when they keep changing things |
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| 03:14.02 | GabSoftware | Hello |
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| 03:14.29 | GabSoftware | Everyone, did you get some updates recently? |
| 03:14.44 | eflynn | GabSoftware: Such as? |
| 03:14.56 | GabSoftware | since many days I haven't been proposed to update something, I was used to have updates everyday |
| 03:15.19 | GabSoftware | so I was just wondering if there is a problem in the update system |
| 03:15.29 | GabSoftware | or if there is really nothing to update these days |
| 03:15.30 | GabSoftware | :) |
| 03:16.30 | boudiccas | GabSoftware; which version? squeeze, wheezy, sid ,etc |
| 03:16.49 | GabSoftware | oh, sorry. Debian Squeeze 6.0.1 amd64 |
| 03:17.31 | boudiccas | GabSoftware; you need to do a .. sudo apt-get upgrade ......... as its now 6.0.2 |
| 03:17.40 | GabSoftware | really |
| 03:17.45 | boudiccas | yes, really |
| 03:17.46 | zykotick9 | GabSoftware, check "lsb_release -a" |
| 03:18.02 | GabSoftware | thanks, I will try this :) |
| 03:18.26 | GabSoftware | but that is strange because it upgraded automatically before from 6.0.0 to 6.0.1 |
| 03:19.41 | boudiccas | i wouldnt trust any distro that 'upgraded automatically'! |
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| 03:19.58 | GabSoftware | I mean, it proposed me to update before |
| 03:20.10 | GabSoftware | without the need to do apt-get upgrade |
| 03:20.19 | GabSoftware | by the way, I just did it and: |
| 03:20.20 | GabSoftware | # apt-get upgrade |
| 03:20.21 | GabSoftware | Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait |
| 03:20.21 | GabSoftware | Construction de l'arbre des dépendances |
| 03:20.21 | GabSoftware | Lecture des informations d'état... Fait |
| 03:20.21 | GabSoftware | 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour. |
| 03:20.27 | GabSoftware | (sorry it's french) |
| 03:20.54 | GabSoftware | just a though, I have a custom kernel, could it be the reason ? |
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| 03:21.00 | zykotick9 | GabSoftware, did you check "lsb_release -a"? are you sure you aren't already at 6.0.2. |
| 03:21.02 | boudiccas | GabSoftware; 1 dont paste in here, use a pastebin, and 2 i dont speak french so you need to translate it, and this is an english speaking list |
| 03:21.44 | GabSoftware | boudiccas: I am sorry |
| 03:22.22 | boudiccas | GabSoftware; try ........ sudo apt-get update ........ and then ...... sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 03:22.31 | GabSoftware | zykotick9: http://pastebin.com/uQ936MD7 |
| 03:22.32 | eflynn | GabSoftware: What does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 03:22.48 | GabSoftware | boudiccas: already tried |
| 03:22.58 | zykotick9 | GabSoftware, see you already are at 6.0.2 |
| 03:23.11 | boudiccas | GabSoftware; doh! |
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| 03:23.33 | GabSoftware | eflynn: http://pastebin.com/ekGnhkAN |
| 03:23.57 | GabSoftware | ah strange it says "6.0.1" at the grub2 loading screen |
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| 03:24.26 | macrobat | GabSoftware: for output in english, you can set LANG=C |
| 03:24.59 | GabSoftware | thanks macrobat, didn't know that |
| 03:26.02 | GabSoftware | I think that my source.list looks like normal |
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| 03:26.39 | macrobat | before that, you can do LANG_BAK=$LANG and when you are done: LANG=$LANG_BAK |
| 03:26.41 | GabSoftware | actually my system is running fine, I was just wondering why I didn't get any update since several days (about 10 days I think) |
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| 03:27.04 | eflynn | GabSoftware: it does look normal, but why are you connecting to a Chinese site? :) |
| 03:27.11 | boudiccas | GabSoftware; nothing has come down the wire, its a nice quiet period ;) |
| 03:27.23 | GabSoftware | eflynn: because I am living in China ;) |
| 03:27.33 | eflynn | GabSoftware: oh ok :) |
| 03:28.08 | GabSoftware | boudiccas: okay, so nothing to worry about :) |
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| 03:28.29 | eflynn | small planet |
| 03:28.49 | GabSoftware | @eflynn: you live in China too? |
| 03:29.07 | eflynn | GabSoftware: no i live on east coast of US |
| 03:29.16 | gsp2009 | hey folks. So, I am trying to connect to a network printer which is served by a mac. No issues printing, but I can't change the print options. Always defaults to A4 page size. I have run the config as root, still no joy. Any ideas? |
| 03:29.40 | GabSoftware | all: thank you everyone, I give my turn to gsp2009 :) |
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| 03:29.47 | GabSoftware | thank for your help |
| 03:29.55 | boudiccas | GabSoftware; yw |
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| 03:44.59 | massmc | Hello, How do I get the OTR plugin to work on xchat? google is impossible on dialup.. any help would be really appreciated |
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| 03:51.25 | Rusty1 | there is a #xchat channel, massmc maybe they would know |
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| 04:01.42 | Miesco | How do I deencrypt a 128 bit encrypted pdf file? |
| 04:01.54 | Miesco | pdfcrack doesn't work with 128 bit |
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| 04:13.02 | grepper | Hi all. bash completion started behaving differently after my last upgrade on debian sid. Now with many commands like ls dir<TAB> it will only complete the directory name instead of adding a / . Same for 'grep foo dir<TAB> and others. Any ideas ? |
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| 04:19.02 | inference | man this is frustrating |
| 04:19.17 | inference | can't get anything to copy from disk |
| 04:19.31 | inference | its a known bug though |
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| 04:25.50 | rubin110 | What package has the tool badblocks? |
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| 04:26.28 | karlpinc_ | rubin110: probably the e2fs stuff. Use apt-file to find the package that goes with a file/program. |
| 04:26.47 | karlpinc_ | rubin110: (or packages.debian.org, iirc.) |
| 04:27.01 | rubin110 | Thanks. |
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| 04:32.57 | Miesco | Whats a good filesystem to make for an external HD with all my movies? |
| 04:33.02 | Miesco | or to use |
| 04:33.05 | snax | hi |
| 04:33.10 | snax | how do I get adobe flash player ? |
| 04:33.27 | snax | !flash |
| 04:33.27 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 04:34.17 | boudiccas | Miesco; ext3 |
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| 04:34.37 | Miesco | boudiccas: I thought about that, but what if I want to play a movie on my friends computer? |
| 04:34.43 | Miesco | boudiccas: Or my xbox or ps3 |
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| 04:35.50 | boudiccas | i'd always go for ext3 because you never need to defrag it, and the only other option is, i believe, ntfs which will need defragging at some stage |
| 04:37.04 | boudiccas | Miesco; i'd always go for ext3 because you never need to defrag it, and the only other option is, i believe, ntfs which will need defragging at some stage |
| 04:37.10 | inference | just dont back up your data to cd or dvd |
| 04:37.21 | inference | debian won't read fucking half of it |
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| 04:37.57 | boudiccas | inference; i would burn the movies to dvd anyway, as it frees up h/d space |
| 04:38.19 | karlpinc_ | boudiccas: hd space is cheaper than dvd blanks. |
| 04:38.35 | boudiccas | karlpinc_; true, but not as portable |
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| 04:39.40 | Miesco | boudiccas: Well what about vfat? |
| 04:39.51 | karlpinc_ | Miesco: ick. ntfs would be better. |
| 04:39.53 | boudiccas | Miesco; what about it? |
| 04:40.04 | Miesco | oh |
| 04:40.07 | Miesco | Damb |
| 04:40.12 | Miesco | I just formated from ntfs to vfat |
| 04:40.19 | Miesco | well its in progress of 0ing it out |
| 04:40.38 | Miesco | How do you write to a ntfs? |
| 04:40.44 | karlpinc_ | Miesco: If you plan on sharing with a MS box you don |
| 04:40.50 | karlpinc_ | 't have much in the way of choices. |
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| 04:41.04 | Miesco | PS3 isn't MS |
| 04:41.06 | inference | sorry for that frustrated outburst |
| 04:41.16 | karlpinc_ | !ntfsrw |
| 04:41.16 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 04:42.04 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 04:42.10 | karlpinc_ | Miesco: Will ps3 do ntfs? If not you may be stuck with vfat. (Which is likely to eventually get corrupted.) |
| 04:42.18 | karlpinc_ | !tell Miesco about tnfs |
| 04:42.28 | karlpinc_ | !tell Miesco about ntfs |
| 04:42.55 | Miesco | Is this a good ntfs entry in fstab?: /dev/sdc1 /mnt/disk2 ntfs-3g user,rw 0 0 |
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| 04:46.34 | aminpy | my wireless mouse not working in debian, how can I resolve this problem? |
| 04:46.50 | wols_ | how is the mouse connected? |
| 04:47.02 | aminpy | via bluetooth |
| 04:47.21 | wols_ | !tell Miesco about vfatrw |
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| 04:48.36 | wols_ | aminpy: http://wiki.debian.org/HOWTO/BluetoothMouse |
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| 04:52.47 | inference | so sad, have to play music off of a dvd to get it to spin up so that i can copy stuff off of it |
| 04:52.49 | inference | lol |
| 04:53.38 | boudiccas | inference; i wouldnt bother if i were you, somebody here said that debian couldnt read the discs afterwards |
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| 04:53.51 | zykotick9 | I got UT2004 installed, using a very manual method. One last issue, if I run "ut2004-bin" I get "error while loading shared libraries: ./libSDL-1.2.so.0" yet CDing to the directory (cd /usr/local/games/ut2004/System/) then executing ./ut2004-bin works fine. Other then writing a small script to start the executable, do I have another option? |
| 04:55.01 | stew | judd: file libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 04:55.04 | judd | libSDL-1.2.so.0 in squeeze/i386: libsdl1.2debian-arts: usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0; libsdl1.2debian-nas: usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0; libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio: usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0; libsdl1.2debian-esd: usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0; libsdl1.2debian-all: usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0; libsdl1.2debian-alsa: usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0; libsdl1.2debian-oss: usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 04:55.10 | aminpy | wols_, when restart bluetooth ->"bluetooth switching to HID/HCI no longer done in init script, see /usr/share ..." |
| 04:56.06 | stew | zykotick9: assuming you are on stable and using alsa, you probably want libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
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| 04:57.24 | zykotick9 | stew, thanks. |
| 04:58.48 | zykotick9 | stew, actually apt-cache policy already shows libsdl1.2debian-alsa as installed? |
| 04:59.01 | wols_ | aminpy: /usr/share/... is a full filename right? |
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| 05:00.05 | aminpy | wols_, yes |
| 05:00.16 | wols_ | then why not read it? |
| 05:01.02 | aminpy | wols_, NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 05:01.04 | aminpy | file |
| 05:01.15 | zykotick9 | stew, i just created a script to launch it, works fine. Thanks for the input! |
| 05:01.30 | aminpy | wols_, I can't open it |
| 05:01.49 | aminpy | read it* |
| 05:02.40 | wols_ | of course you can. gunzip, zless, etc |
| 05:03.19 | Arrowmaster | or setup lesspipe |
| 05:03.55 | Arrowmaster | eval $(lesspipe) |
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| 05:22.30 | tauntaun | Is there any way to get synaptic always to install over internet? The last couple of installs have asked me to insert the boot disk, which is pretty inconvenient. |
| 05:22.46 | tauntaun | (I mean installing packages.) |
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| 05:23.23 | chrismsnz | tauntaun: comment out the cdrom lines at the top of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:23.29 | inference | seems to be working, if you are getting a ton of i/o errors trying to copy from dvd or cd, and it happens to have some sort of music or media, try playing the media to get the disk to spin up, and whatever isnt playing can be copied |
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| 05:23.59 | chrismsnz | tauntaun: then `apt-get update` |
| 05:24.18 | chrismsnz | tauntaun: they should say something like deb-cdrom or something, it's referring to your installation media |
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| 05:26.58 | tauntaun | chrismsnz: apt-get update makes no mention of cdrom. Isn't that to be expected, considering I just commented out the line in sources.list? |
| 05:27.32 | chrismsnz | tauntaun: yeah, sorry that last message was referring to the line in sources.list |
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| 05:41.30 | spikku | Anyone familiar with getting a ******* b43 wlan card to work? |
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| 05:42.24 | spikku | I followed this entire thing, but I still can't seem to get it going :| http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 05:48.25 | bolong7 | spikku : i've install bcm4312 with wl/sta driver, follow this instruction http://alturl.com/swki9 |
| 05:51.00 | spikku | bolong7, Thank you :) |
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| 05:55.46 | boudiccas | on debian 6 where should the bot.conf file go please for it to be used when starting up eggdrop 1.6.19? i've asked in #eggdrop but they dont seem to know |
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| 06:05.00 | ayambit | When I change partition table with parted (added new partitions) after reboot grub is corrupted and I even can't restore it with grub-install from live-cd. Anyone knows relevant theory? It's debian lenny. |
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| 06:13.18 | boudiccas | on debian 6 where should the bot.conf file go please for it to be used when starting up eggdrop 1.6.19? i've asked in #eggdrop but they dont seem to know |
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| 06:18.06 | wols_ | !tell ayambit about errors |
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| 06:19.38 | ayambit | wols_: I didn't got any errors, after pated (mkfs, ext3, 20GB, 30GB, q) ; mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda3 ; reboot grub is dead. |
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| 06:21.23 | ayambit | When I reboot where is only blinking cursor at the upper left corner of the screen. |
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| 06:22.46 | stockholm | that would mean you didnt install grub so that the bios can find it |
| 06:23.00 | stockholm | or what ever other system |
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| 06:24.36 | ayambit | As I was told on the other channel I should look into fixing MBR. |
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| 06:26.56 | boudiccas | Chat9501; english please |
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| 06:30.03 | wols_ | ayambit: the errors when reinstalling grub if any |
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| 06:30.21 | boudiccas | Char9501; prat! |
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| 06:31.16 | ayambit | wols_: that's strange thing. I don't get any errors, it says "grub installed successfully". Didn't look into exit status however, I assumed it's 0. |
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| 06:31.51 | wols_ | ayambit: gpt or mbr? |
| 06:32.35 | ayambit | wols_: gpt. After installing MBR blinking cursor changes to word 'GRUB' in the upper left corner when booting, and that's it. |
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| 06:35.12 | ayambit | wols_: sorry, s/mbr/grub |
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| 06:36.21 | Jane1 | is there a featurefull too to fix all types of disk and table errors of ext4 or ntfs ? |
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| 06:39.22 | boudiccas | Jane1; sorry? your question doesnt make sense, please rephrase it |
| 06:39.27 | ayambit | Don't quite understand your question. |
| 06:40.03 | MrFrood | fsck? |
| 06:40.21 | ayambit | gparted bootcd? |
| 06:41.17 | wols_ | Jane1: there isn't. especially ntfs is not really supported under linux. definitely not good enough to fix possible errors. use windows for this filesystem |
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| 06:42.34 | Jane1 | wols_ where are the mountpoints written and seved in linux. its not booting coz i mounted ntfs. i want to unmount it. |
| 06:42.44 | Jane1 | wols_ by a live cd |
| 06:43.08 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.29 | Jane1 | what file ? |
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| 06:44.22 | zykotick9 | Jane1, asking the exact same questions in 2 channels at once is a waste of people's time, wait for one channel to answer. |
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| 06:44.29 | Jane1 | how to open fstab ? |
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| 06:44.39 | wols_ | with an editor |
| 06:44.40 | Jane1 | Zyferus waited. |
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| 06:45.13 | Jane1 | wols_ kate fstab i gues |
| 06:46.22 | Jane1 | how to go in sda6 . how to mount it |
| 06:46.59 | zykotick9 | Jane1, <REPEAT> asking the exact same questions in 2 channels at once is a waste of people's time, wait for one channel to answer. |
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| 06:47.10 | wols_ | Jane1: what did you do to that your debian mounted ntfs automatically? cause by default it doesn' |
| 06:47.13 | wols_ | t |
| 06:47.47 | zykotick9 | wols_, i'd guess Jane1 is actually using Ubuntu (just FYI) |
| 06:48.28 | Jane1 | i mounted while installing debian |
| 06:48.37 | Jane1 | now it wont wokr |
| 06:48.39 | Jane1 | work |
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| 06:49.12 | wols_ | Jane1: you definitely didn't mount it when installing debian. the debian installer cannot mount ntfs. please tell us what exact version of debian you run please |
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| 06:50.22 | Jane1 | dont know. iam new |
| 06:50.39 | Jane1 | yes. i got it. its KDE |
| 06:50.44 | Jane1 | iam using kde |
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| 07:03.11 | Guest10910 | CD command is working in my shell scripting in my debian server,can some one help me how to use this?? |
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| 07:04.47 | zykotick9 | Guest10910, lower case "cd"? |
| 07:05.01 | razz1 | I am preparing a partition for encryption, its one of the new 4kb sector drives. to write random data to the drive, is this the right command #dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<drive> bs=4096, |
| 07:05.04 | Guest10910 | yes am using lower case cd only |
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| 07:05.18 | zykotick9 | Guest10910, what isn't working? |
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| 07:05.39 | Guest10910 | cd command is not working in my shell script |
| 07:06.01 | boudiccas | on debian 6 where should the bot.conf file go please for it to be used when starting up eggdrop 1.6.19? i've asked in #eggdrop but they dont seem to know |
| 07:06.22 | Guest10910 | zykotick9: Pls tell me how to use cd command in shell script |
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| 07:06.38 | Guest10910 | zykotick9: I am using debian 5 server |
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| 07:07.15 | ManateeLazyCat | I use python-apt develop a software-center, i always got error "debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog" and "dpkg: error: error: PATH is not set.", any hint to fix this problem? I missing something? Thanks! |
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| 07:08.57 | ridethefire122 | can someone in here explain what happens if I use unmount and mount over SSH on my root partition? |
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| 07:11.47 | zykotick9 | ridethefire122, well, unmount will give "command not found" 'cause it's umount. But I doubt you'll be able to unmount / if that's what you are using - it will return "in use" |
| 07:11.51 | wols_ | ridethefire122: if you unmount there is no "mount" binary and its needed shared libs anymore which you need to mount the rootfs again. so don't do it |
| 07:12.34 | ridethefire122 | well, here's an interesting one: |
| 07:12.35 | ridethefire122 | Jul 21 03:04:57 main postfix/qmgr[28035]: fatal: qmgr_move: update active/221A91303668 time stamps: Stale NFS file handle |
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| 07:13.15 | ridethefire122 | oddly enough, this is not a machine which utilizes NFS |
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| 07:18.39 | jaakkos | ridethefire122, zykotick9: it might be possible to use mount --bind, though? |
| 07:19.37 | wols_ | jaakkos: it all depends what he wants/needs to do. e.g. remounting might work as well |
| 07:19.54 | ridethefire122 | well |
| 07:20.13 | ridethefire122 | Stale NFS file handle seems to indicate that there is some issue with the filesystem's mount points |
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| 07:21.10 | freeloader | my disc's full, and i deleted iptables.log but my system still says that the hard disk is full, how can i fix it without a restart? |
| 07:21.15 | ridethefire122 | and google seems to indicate the following: |
| 07:21.15 | ridethefire122 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/nfs-stale-file-handle-error-and-solution.html |
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| 07:22.03 | zykotick9 | freeloader, how is your apt-cache? and is it necessary? "du -h /var/cache/apt/archives" |
| 07:22.11 | wols_ | freeloader: delete more. 5% of a ext3 disk are reserved for root |
| 07:22.12 | Bushmills | freeloader: sure. delete some more |
| 07:22.50 | freeloader | iptables.log is 7GBs, removing that would be more than enough for me... but after the rm, it still says that it's full.. it's like the size is cached. |
| 07:23.04 | freeloader | or that it didn't update |
| 07:23.23 | Bushmills | how big is the partition? |
| 07:23.29 | wols_ | freeloader: what logs to iptables.log? |
| 07:23.52 | freeloader | 7.5GB is the total size, so it's way more than enough to just delete the iptables.lo |
| 07:23.53 | freeloader | g |
| 07:23.59 | wols_ | if the file is still open by some process, it isn't actually deleted on disk. that is done only when all programs who have this file open are closed |
| 07:24.25 | freeloader | i guess the firewall is opening that file, so i need to restart the firewall? |
| 07:24.46 | wols_ | use lsof to check, but probably yes |
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| 07:25.15 | wols_ | lsof |grep iptables.log |
| 07:26.06 | freeloader | rsyslogd 2000 root 2w REG 3,65 6030602240 182952 /var/log/iptables.log (deleted) |
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| 07:26.24 | wols_ | there you see it |
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| 07:26.48 | freeloader | yeah, so now i just do /etc/init.d/rsyslogd restart and that should be it? |
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| 07:26.57 | freeloader | yep.. worked, thanks :) |
| 07:28.01 | ridethefire122 | anyone have any ideas how I would fix the following via SSH? postfix/qmgr[29844]: fatal: qmgr_move: update active/221A91303668 time stamps: Stale NFS file handle |
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| 07:28.25 | wols_ | ridethefire122: restarted postfix? |
| 07:28.34 | ridethefire122 | yep, no luck |
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| 07:29.34 | ridethefire122 | also, there is no NFS on this machine |
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| 07:30.55 | Miesco | I have this in my fstab: /dev/sdc1 /mnt/disk2 ntfs-3g defaults,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 07:31.04 | Miesco | But I can not mount it as uid 1000 |
| 07:31.19 | Guest10910 | cd command is working in my shell scripting I amdebian server,can some one help me how to use this?? |
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| 07:31.49 | Miesco | Guest10910: Seems to be working just fine |
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| 07:33.04 | gnarface | Miesco: why ntfs? |
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| 07:35.19 | jeybop | hi |
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| 07:36.16 | jeybop | I am running a debian testing, and for specific reasons I have to run a 2.6.27 kernel |
| 07:36.50 | wols_ | jeybop: VPS? |
| 07:36.55 | jeybop | I succeded to install it, with some ugly tweaks, like forcing the installation od udev163-2 |
| 07:37.04 | Miesco | gnarface: So I can play the videos on my xbox |
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| 07:37.24 | jeybop | wols_, nope, a patch for NUMA topic research |
| 07:37.39 | jeybop | I restart on that kernel with kexec |
| 07:37.54 | Miesco | ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /mnt/disk2 |
| 07:38.02 | Miesco | I get that when I try to mount as a user 1000 |
| 07:38.17 | jeybop | but for unknown reason, the system restart 15 minutes later |
| 07:38.28 | jeybop | there are no hints in /var/log |
| 07:38.43 | wols_ | Miesco: ls -ld /mnt/disk2 |
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| 07:39.22 | Miesco | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 20 06:44 /mnt/disk2 |
| 07:39.25 | Miesco | I see |
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| 07:39.49 | jeybop | and another strange behavior is that it restart on 2.6.32, although 2.6.39 is the most recent kernel (I don't know if it does a warm or cold restart) |
| 07:40.14 | wols_ | jeybop: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 07:41.08 | Miesco | wols_: I do not have the priveledge |
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| 07:41.39 | jeybop | there are 5 installed: 2.6.26, 2.6.27, 2.6.32, 2.6.38 and 2.6.39 |
| 07:42.11 | jeybop | but only 3 are in /boot: 2.6.27, 2.6.32 and 2.6.39 |
| 07:42.26 | wols_ | Miesco: then you are fscked. ask the sysadmin then |
| 07:42.36 | wols_ | jeybop: pastebin please |
| 07:42.54 | wols_ | if it's not in /boot it's not installed |
| 07:43.17 | wols_ | jeybop: and /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 07:43.48 | Miesco | wols_: ... I am the admin! |
| 07:44.05 | razz1 | whats the default PE value when creating VG for debian install? I intend to create another VG for the VMs, I am planning on going for a PE of 1GB as most of the virtual disks are bigger than 1GB. is this sound reasoning? |
| 07:45.19 | wols_ | Miesco: then you can change permissions |
| 07:45.44 | Miesco | wols_: I am trying to |
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| 07:45.58 | Miesco | User doesn't have privilege to mount. For more information |
| 07:46.00 | Miesco | please see: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged |
| 07:46.07 | Miesco | wols_: Thats what I get |
| 07:46.35 | wols_ | Miesco: you changed the permissions on the mountpoint to what? |
| 07:47.58 | jeybop | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/123620/ |
| 07:49.04 | wols_ | jeybop: "rc" status means not installed |
| 07:49.21 | wols_ | and I guess it depends on your kexec commandline what gets run |
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| 07:49.28 | Miesco | wols_: Thats not the problem, I have ownership of the mount point |
| 07:49.47 | Miesco | drwxr-xr-x 2 shawn shawn 4096 May 20 06:44 /mnt/disk2 |
| 07:49.58 | jeybop | wols_, kexec -l /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27.45 --append="root=UUID=f41cd250-dda7-4f6e-a011-1fc75ab2dc84 ro quiet" --initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.27.45 |
| 07:50.23 | Miesco | wols_: ntfs-3g permissions |
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| 07:51.16 | jeybop | wols_, and 2.6.27 restart well. The problem is that 10-15 minutes later, the system "crash/restart" and 2.6.32 is the next to restart |
| 07:52.42 | wols_ | jeybop: then change your grub2 settings |
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| 07:53.00 | wols_ | and fix your 2.6.27 kernel. but there is a reason that isn't supported in wheezy anymore |
| 07:54.15 | Miesco | defaults,user,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=002,dmask=002 |
| 07:54.19 | Miesco | wols_: I'll try that |
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| 07:54.50 | wols_ | Miesco: those are not permissions. those are fstab options. again, what are your current mountpoint permissions? |
| 07:55.08 | Miesco | drwxr-xr-x 2 shawn shawn 4096 May 20 06:44 /mnt/disk2? |
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| 07:55.53 | gurra | can I prevent udev rules from executing at boot-time? |
| 07:56.02 | Miesco | wols_: Those are the permissions for the mountpoint |
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| 07:58.03 | wols_ | gurra: you can edit /etc/udev/rules.d/ and remove stuff |
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| 07:58.43 | Miesco | wols_: /dev/sdc1 /mnt/disk2 ntfs-3g rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0002,dmask=0003 0 0 |
| 07:58.55 | Miesco | According to the debian wiki that should work |
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| 07:59.02 | wols_ | you are missing the "user" part |
| 07:59.04 | Miesco | http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 07:59.13 | wols_ | or the auto one |
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| 07:59.24 | Miesco | wols_: I thought I didn't need it since I use uid and gid |
| 07:59.31 | gurra | wols_: yes, of course, but can I prevent them from running at boot-time? |
| 07:59.42 | jeybop | wols_, http://pastebin.com/e3NYB36s you can see that the default kernel is 2.6.39. When I do a normal reboot, the loaded kernel is 2.6.39. I don't talk to you about 2.6.32 as a problem, but more as a symptom |
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| 07:59.53 | gurra | wols_: without removing them |
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| 08:00.02 | Miesco | wols_: Okay yea I need the user option, but it says I don't have ntfs-3g priviledges now |
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| 08:00.12 | wols_ | gurra: which debian are you running? |
| 08:00.17 | Miesco | ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Operation not permitted |
| 08:00.22 | ecolitan | hello |
| 08:00.32 | rozie | Miesco: is you user in fuse group? |
| 08:00.38 | rozie | s/you/your/ |
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| 08:01.34 | gurra | wols_: it's Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS, but I thought this question was better suited for #debian than #ubuntu |
| 08:01.49 | wols_ | then you are in the wrong channel. good day |
| 08:02.22 | ecolitan | I need to install a single package from sid in lenny, is there an offical guide how to do this correctly re pinning or default-release or whatever? |
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| 08:02.56 | wols_ | !tell ecolitan about ssb |
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| 08:03.02 | Miesco | rozie: Yes |
| 08:03.24 | wols_ | edog: pinning and installing packages from sid directly will usually destroy your debian sooner or later |
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| 08:04.15 | gurra | anyone who knows udev better than wols_ here? |
| 08:04.17 | wols_ | ecolitan: ^^ |
| 08:04.22 | Miesco | I don't think its my fstab thats the problem |
| 08:04.27 | wols_ | gurra: we do not support ubuntu |
| 08:04.28 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 08:04.28 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 08:05.03 | ecolitan | so compilation is the answer |
| 08:05.08 | gurra | wols_: are you an official representative for debian or what? I am not asking about ubuntu, I am asking about udev... |
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| 08:05.37 | Miesco | gurra: No one knows more |
| 08:05.39 | wols_ | gurra: dpkg is the offical bot here and yes he has the official stance about ubuntu in #debian. |
| 08:05.46 | wols_ | Miesco: bullshit. |
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| 08:06.06 | wols_ | Miesco: see your current problem I apparently have no clue about |
| 08:07.15 | Bushmills | googles that funny word "ubuntu" |
| 08:07.27 | jelly-home | gurra: this channel is here to help with technical issues in Debian in specific, not the derivatives; one reason is so it doesn't get swamped with questions about derivatives since eg. Ubuntu is a lot more popular these days |
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| 08:08.21 | jelly-home | gurra: another reason is derivatives exist because they want to change things and do some stuff differently, but people in this channel might not know about that |
| 08:08.26 | gurra | jelly-home: thank you, that was a much more friendly answer than wols_ gave me, btw I just found there is a #udev |
| 08:08.30 | Miesco | wols_: I figured out the solution: mount u+s `which ntfs-3g` |
| 08:08.33 | Miesco | wols_: Whatever that does |
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| 08:09.07 | wols_ | Miesco: you set the ntfs-3g binary to be suid root most probably. e.g. it is run with root priviledges no matter who calls it |
| 08:10.15 | Miesco | I wish cp had progress information |
| 08:10.28 | wols_ | use mc then :) |
| 08:10.54 | Bushmills | rsync can be used like cp, and has progress indicator option |
| 08:11.01 | jelly-home | Miesco: using rsync -P instead might help |
| 08:11.09 | Miesco | Okay cool |
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| 08:13.23 | Miesco | Nice! |
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| 08:13.58 | Miesco | Even tells you how fast its going |
| 08:14.14 | jelly-home | only on a per-file basis, though |
| 08:14.23 | Miesco | yea |
| 08:14.26 | Miesco | that sucks |
| 08:14.59 | wols_ | Miesco: think of the alternatives, like cp :P |
| 08:15.26 | Miesco | I need a ssd |
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| 08:15.36 | Miesco | 15MB/s |
| 08:15.45 | Miesco | for 150GB |
| 08:16.01 | Miesco | thats gunna take... who knows |
| 08:16.05 | wols_ | if one of the filesystems is ntfs-3g, then that's whats causing that. ssd will help but not much |
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| 08:16.23 | Miesco | wols_: Is ntfs-3g slow? |
| 08:16.36 | wols_ | verxy |
| 08:16.39 | wols_ | -x |
| 08:16.43 | wols_ | it's a userspace filesystem |
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| 08:17.19 | Miesco | wols_: Why don't they make a kernel space fs with write support for ntfs? |
| 08:17.55 | fenugreek | Miesco: they have |
| 08:17.59 | fenugreek | little too late is all |
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| 08:18.15 | Miesco | fenugreek: late? |
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| 08:18.50 | fenugreek | late |
| 08:18.56 | fenugreek | ntfs-3g was already popularized |
| 08:19.15 | trist4n | is there anywhere i can read about that fenugreek ? |
| 08:19.48 | fenugreek | lkml, I imagine |
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| 08:20.11 | Miesco | ((150*1024)/15)*60*60 hrs it will take |
| 08:20.25 | Miesco | wait nooo that can't be right |
| 08:20.29 | wols_ | kernel driver has no proper write access to ntfs |
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| 08:20.40 | wols_ | Miesco: how many GB? |
| 08:20.46 | Miesco | wols_: 150GB |
| 08:21.00 | wols_ | and 15MB/s? |
| 08:21.04 | Miesco | wols_: Yes\ |
| 08:21.23 | Miesco | Oh I should of divided |
| 08:21.24 | wols_ | Miesco: roughly 3 hours... |
| 08:21.44 | Miesco | No I shouldn't of |
| 08:22.05 | fenugreek | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#Linux |
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| 08:23.00 | rozie | well, I wouldn't call ntfs-3g slow |
| 08:23.18 | fenugreek | perfectly reliable, performs as imagined |
| 08:23.22 | wols_ | but I never heard it called fast either :P |
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| 08:23.41 | fenugreek | but then people who want fast don't use NTFS |
| 08:24.02 | rozie | at least I don't see difference when I use it on USB disc ;) |
| 08:24.05 | Miesco | fenugreek: Why would the xbox use such a slow fs? |
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| 08:24.14 | Miesco | disc? |
| 08:24.18 | Miesco | oh shit |
| 08:24.24 | wols_ | rozie: erm, usb disks run at 30MB/s max |
| 08:24.35 | Miesco | wols_: 60MB/s |
| 08:24.41 | Miesco | oh wait |
| 08:24.47 | Miesco | Thats USB |
| 08:24.53 | Miesco | throughput |
| 08:25.10 | wols_ | Miesco: no. 30MB/s in real life. brutto datarate is 60MB/s but USB is shitty |
| 08:25.24 | rozie | wols_: something like that. but FS is irrevelant then. on ocassional use, on desktop? |
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| 08:25.38 | Miesco | wols_: USB 3 isn't bad, its 600MB/s |
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| 08:26.03 | rozie | TBH laptop's 5400 disc isn't much faster than that |
| 08:26.17 | Miesco | As long as the throughput to my usb device is faster then my internet throughput i'm all right |
| 08:26.47 | Bushmills | wouldn't mind a 600 MB/s internet connection |
| 08:26.56 | fenugreek | Miesco: because it's MS's |
| 08:27.15 | Miesco | fenugreek: What about ps? |
| 08:27.53 | Miesco | Bushmills: Do you think ISP's are postponing faster speeds because of p2p piracy? |
| 08:28.26 | Bushmills | some countries offer higher speeds than others |
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| 08:29.18 | Bushmills | some may have priorities in coverage, rather than max speed in selected regions |
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| 08:30.04 | fenugreek | Miesco: playstation? I don't know what it uses |
| 08:30.16 | fenugreek | Miesco: no I think they are because it saves money |
| 08:30.20 | Miesco | fenugreek: Not ext3 I know that |
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| 08:30.50 | Miesco | fenugreek: You would think competition would do something |
| 08:31.12 | fenugreek | Miesco: the internet says they're using fat32, ha |
| 08:31.15 | fenugreek | Miesco: they do |
| 08:31.21 | fenugreek | it's just most people are not power users |
| 08:31.27 | fenugreek | most people would've been happy with 56k |
| 08:31.45 | wols_ | fenugreek: not since youtube and netflix |
| 08:31.49 | fenugreek | and most people don't watch netflix in the middle of the night |
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| 08:32.07 | fenugreek | they watch it during the day and evening, like good little diurnals |
| 08:32.09 | Miesco | Yea you need faster internet for youtube |
| 08:32.29 | Miesco | Whats it matter if its at night? |
| 08:32.32 | fenugreek | youtube isn't really that demanding |
| 08:32.40 | fenugreek | Miesco: night is usually when they throttle |
| 08:32.48 | fenugreek | because it's easier to get away with |
| 08:33.03 | wols_ | why would they throttle then? then it's not clogged so no reason to do it |
| 08:33.43 | Miesco | I guess they chose to throttle instead of making faster connections |
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| 08:34.32 | fenugreek | wols_: because night is when p2pers don't care if their transfers are eating bandwidth |
| 08:34.37 | fenugreek | did you miss the beginning of the convo? |
| 08:35.22 | Miesco | fenugreek: But won't that mean others wont care either? |
| 08:35.50 | fenugreek | other who? about what? |
| 08:36.24 | Miesco | fenugreek: The casual users not caring about low speeds at night |
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| 08:37.15 | wols_ | fenugreek: the question was why ISPs don't increase internet speeds. the speed of the connections is the same night or day. and the only have an incentive to throttle when usage is high, not at night. at least no economic incentive, they might have a legal incentive to make good weather with the MPAA but that's about it |
| 08:37.43 | wols_ | but this is very OT for #debian |
| 08:38.04 | fenugreek | if you're talking about the USA it's because the majority is ignorant of technology |
| 08:38.10 | Miesco | wols_: Yea, i'm lagging to much |
| 08:38.11 | fenugreek | and it works well enough for them as it is |
| 08:38.36 | Miesco | fenugreek: I don't think youtube works very well in the usa, I can't watch anything |
| 08:38.49 | Miesco | Well in Canada anyways |
| 08:38.58 | fenugreek | what's your processor? |
| 08:39.13 | Miesco | fenugreek: 2500k at OC to 4.4ghz |
| 08:39.44 | Miesco | The lagging thing was a joke |
| 08:39.48 | Miesco | cause its night |
| 08:40.22 | fenugreek | k... |
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| 08:42.33 | Miesco | If you have 150*1024 MB going at 15MB/s, wouldn't it be (150*1024)/15 seconds? |
| 08:42.50 | wols_ | yes |
| 08:43.03 | Miesco | oh I timesed it by 60 instead of divided |
| 08:43.14 | Miesco | How do you say times in past tense? |
| 08:43.22 | wols_ | timed ? |
| 08:43.28 | Miesco | thanks |
| 08:43.34 | Miesco | Wait, really? |
| 08:43.38 | wols_ | aren't you the native english speaker or are you quebecois? |
| 08:43.47 | Miesco | native |
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| 08:44.15 | wols_ | "x times y" is not a verb, so no past sense. "I calculated x times y" |
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| 08:45.56 | Miesco | wols_: Oh yea, times is the verbal for the notation |
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| 08:46.10 | Miesco | I was thinking about this in my bed one night |
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| 08:46.52 | Miesco | plus, minus, times are names for symbols |
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| 08:47.21 | Miesco | So they are nouns |
| 08:47.46 | Mallory | iceweasel 3.5.16 crashes after watching some flash videos. Why could that be ?? |
| 08:47.48 | Internat | you really want, x multiplied by y |
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| 08:47.56 | Internat | or x divided by y |
| 08:48.02 | Mallory | it freezes and the I have to kill |
| 08:48.08 | wols_ | Mallory: a crappy flash plugin. now there's a surprise... |
| 08:48.34 | Miesco | Mallory: flash 10 is crashtastic |
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| 08:49.05 | Miesco | Wait for html5 video to take over |
| 08:49.05 | Mallory | but stable Miesco ? |
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| 08:49.23 | Mallory | ... |
| 08:49.33 | Miesco | Mallory: Thats not the right word I don't think |
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| 08:50.05 | wols_ | Mallory: which flash plugin are you actually using? |
| 08:50.05 | Mallory | ;) |
| 08:50.29 | Mallory | Shockwave Flash 10.2 d161 |
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| 08:50.59 | fenugreek | I'd skip .3, it's real buggy |
| 08:51.09 | fenugreek | 11's normal |
| 08:51.32 | Mallory | fenugreek: skip to v11 ? |
| 08:52.19 | fenugreek | yeah |
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| 08:52.25 | subuser | the problem with flash players in general seems to be that there's so many security vulnerabilities in them, and any amount of information can be yanked and code ran from you on a server hosting flash content |
| 08:52.28 | fenugreek | repo guys will probably do it for you, 10.3 was insane |
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| 08:52.43 | subuser | and it seems the proprietary versions especially aren't in a very much of ahurry to patch up the linux versions |
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| 08:53.14 | fenugreek | spotty track record |
| 08:53.27 | fenugreek | but it's been doing okay (compared to itself) for the past couple years |
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| 08:53.52 | fenugreek | I'm not sure Adobe can afford to keep it from working on Android, with Apple hating them so much |
| 08:53.54 | Peet | hi everyone |
| 08:54.02 | fenugreek | hi Peet |
| 08:54.15 | subuser | i use it for youtube but i'm aware of the kind of sayings they come up with on security website's and the likelihood there's any amount of those problem's that could be occurring.. just hope that it doesn't destroy my whole system |
| 08:54.27 | Peet | anyone use IBM iSeriesAccess ? |
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| 08:56.57 | Peet | no one |
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| 08:57.35 | fenugreek | Peet: taking a poll? |
| 08:57.57 | Mallory | subuser: fenugreek ty |
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| 08:58.23 | Peet | no |
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| 08:58.37 | Peet | it's a IBM software |
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| 09:00.10 | fenugreek | Peet: and? |
| 09:00.10 | deepa | Peet: you could try asking a real question instead |
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| 09:01.04 | devil | that would spoil all the fun |
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| 09:01.22 | deepa | and worst of all, it'd make it possible for us to help him/her! |
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| 09:06.26 | zekefast | Hi everyone, I have a problem with compilation iceweasel deb-src from unstable (sid) repository on squeez. Could somebody assist me to find out what's wrong with it? The error posted to http://pastebin.com/9AeuY7eb . Thanks in advance! |
| 09:07.02 | zekefast | Îøèáêà in the message means Error |
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| 09:08.55 | devil | there is iceweasel 3.5, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 available without compiling |
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| 09:09.28 | wols_ | zekefast: mozilla.debian.net |
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| 09:10.55 | zekefast | devil, yes but when I try to install iceweasel 5 from binary package it try to update a lot of packages by dependencies based on iceweasel deps, which I want to avoid. |
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| 09:11.44 | devil | zekefast: there is only 2 packages updated with iceweasel: xulrunner and moz... (forgot the name) |
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| 09:13.29 | wols_ | zekefast: you tried to install it from sid which is wrong. go to mozilla.debian.net |
| 09:13.42 | davorb | hey, guys. i'm running squeeze. haven't gotten a single package to update in >2 weeks. is this normal? |
| 09:13.47 | zekefast | wols_, Thanks, but unfortunately there is not iceweasel 5.0 which is available in unstable. |
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| 09:14.18 | wols_ | davorb: can be normal. with debian stable you only get security updates. so "grep security /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 09:14.28 | wols_ | zekefast: there is. |
| 09:14.44 | wols_ | zekefast: current veison of iceweasel is 5.0 and therefore it is "release" |
| 09:14.54 | davorb | wols_: k, thanks. usually i don't run stable, so it felt kind of weird. |
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| 09:15.35 | wols_ | davorb: you can also check security.debian.org if there have been any updates for your installed packages |
| 09:15.44 | zekefast | wols_, Thanks a lot that point me to this. Will try this way. |
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| 09:21.00 | zekefast | devil, when I try to run follow aptitude install iceweasel -t unstable it, trying to update many deps. Here is a shorted list of deps and those deps broke software which is already installed on my machine, but I do not want to update it. |
| 09:21.01 | zekefast | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.01 | zekefast | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.01 | zekefast | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.01 | zekefast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.39 | zekefast | Sorry |
| 09:22.23 | devil | zekefast: you shout set your default release |
| 09:22.29 | devil | !default release |
| 09:22.29 | dpkg | Put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed) and replace foo with squeeze, wheezy, sid or experimental. That will make foo the standard release that packages will be fetched from. Also ask me about <tum> and see Debian bug #97564 if you are using a release earlier than squeeze. |
| 09:22.33 | devil | zekefast: ^ |
| 09:23.09 | wols_ | devil: that won't help. his problem having sid repos in his stable install in the first place |
| 09:23.21 | devil | ouch :) |
| 09:23.26 | wols_ | zekefast: if you install iceweasel from unstable it WILL break your debian |
| 09:23.30 | zekefast | devil, here is a full list of deps http://pastebin.com/hMEVEk09 unfortunately some message in russian |
| 09:23.30 | devil | i thought, testing |
| 09:23.59 | devil | zekefast: no need tio look at it, wols_ comment explains it |
| 09:24.49 | wols_ | zekefast: have you tried mozilla.debian.net repos already? |
| 09:25.23 | zekefast | wols_, devil: that's why I wanted to compile it. But anyway thanks guys will try to install mozilla.debian.net and come with result to you in several minutes. |
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| 09:25.41 | zekefast | wols_, still not. will do in few minutes. |
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| 09:26.05 | devil | ,versions iceweasel |
| 09:26.05 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; sid: 5.0-3; experimental: 6.0~b2-1 |
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| 09:26.20 | subuser | if you had your mirror's pointed to a unstable debian release, and had a nearly whole system of file's deviated from the normal's on the stable release, which you later pointed your apt to, does it 'upgrade' the fileset's down to the stable's idea of what's current, or keep the higher package versions? |
| 09:26.55 | wols_ | it keeps the higher package versions. however such an installation is pretty seriously broken |
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| 09:27.06 | wols_ | usually you will have lots of problems over time |
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| 09:27.32 | DomiX | Hi, I just installed snmpd and snmp but using snmpwalk I could not see information about network interfaces, I've missed something ? |
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| 09:32.21 | balboah | can you easily modify the Version on a generated .deb file or do you need to re-build it from source? |
| 09:32.46 | iceroot | balboah: rebuild because you have to change the changelog |
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| 09:33.05 | balboah | allright |
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| 09:35.18 | wols_ | iceroot: does dpkg care about the changelog? |
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| 09:40.17 | zekefast | wols_, devil: I installed iceweasel 5.0 from the mozilla.debian.net and it works good! Thanks guys for the such good help! Debian is awesome thing and it community is also! |
| 09:40.34 | zekefast | Very appreciate you guys! |
| 09:40.38 | devil | zekefast: good, it works |
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| 09:41.01 | zekefast | Will report problems if meet any. |
| 09:42.29 | iceroot | wols_: pbuilder does |
| 09:42.52 | iceroot | wols_: but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is also reading the changelog for the package-version |
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| 09:46.46 | boudiccas | on debian 6 where should the bot.conf file go please for it to be used when starting up eggdrop 1.6.19? i've asked in #eggdrop but they dont seem to know |
| 09:47.53 | khlkhl | Hi everyone, I'm looking for someone who tell mi why I couldn't compile VCMI on debian sid (gcc-4.6, boost-1.46.1) |
| 09:47.56 | khlkhl | /usr/bin/ld: vcmiclient-CMT.o: undefined reference to symbol 'boost::system::system_category()' |
| 09:47.59 | khlkhl | /usr/bin/ld: note: 'boost::system::system_category()' is defined in DSO /usr/lib64/libboost_system.so.1.46.1 so try adding it to the linker command line |
| 09:48.02 | khlkhl | /usr/lib64/libboost_system.so.1.46.1: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 09:48.04 | khlkhl | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 09:50.15 | kgoetz | boudiccas: from a debian package? |
| 09:50.50 | boudiccas | kgoetz; yes |
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| 09:53.25 | kgoetz | boudiccas: hm, not sure. it appears to be installed into the package root |
| 09:53.32 | ArdRigh | hi guys which package in debian has the imapsync tool? |
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| 09:54.18 | boudiccas | kgoetz; package root? sorry, i dont understand you |
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| 09:55.03 | wols_ | !tell ArdRigh about search |
| 09:55.11 | kgoetz | boudiccas: its makefile installs thus: $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/eggdrop.conf $(DEST)/; |
| 09:55.12 | wols_ | ArdRigh: for a quick answer, head over to packages.debian.org |
| 09:55.28 | kgoetz | boudiccas: so it seems to be shipped only as an example. id gues if it has a readme.debian, it will explain how ot use it |
| 09:55.49 | wols_ | boudiccas: strace your eggdrop. it will search for the bot.conf file and you will see it then |
| 09:55.57 | kgoetz | boudiccas: README.debian seems to include instructions (even if its numbered badly :)) |
| 09:56.12 | boudiccas | kgoetz; wols_ ok, thanks |
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| 10:05.13 | ArdRigh | wols_: it appears imapsync is not in squeeze which matches my search but sad |
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| 10:09.37 | petemc | imapsync changed its license afaicr |
| 10:09.57 | wols_ | ArdRigh: it's perl, so just download it and use it |
| 10:11.00 | ArdRigh | looking at imapcopy at the moment :) |
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| 10:20.08 | ecolitan | how can I install an older version of a package from lenny, in squeeze? |
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| 10:25.16 | devil | ecolitan: what package? |
| 10:25.28 | ecolitan | i need tomcat5.5 |
| 10:25.40 | ecolitan | in squeeze is only tomcat6 |
| 10:26.05 | devil | ,versions tomcat |
| 10:26.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tomcat' was found in i386. |
| 10:26.26 | devil | ,versions tomcat5.5 |
| 10:26.26 | judd | Package tomcat5.5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.5.26-5; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.5.26-5lenny2; lenny-security: 5.5.26-5lenny2 |
| 10:27.41 | devil | ecolitan: as tomcat does not depend on many packages, that should work |
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| 10:28.05 | ecolitan | devil: just grabbing the deb from lenny and installing it? |
| 10:29.24 | devil | ecolitan: either add a lenny line to sources.list and: apt-get update && apt-get install tomcat5.5 -s or fetch it from packages.debian.org and use dpkg -i <package> && apt-get -f install |
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| 10:29.37 | babilen | ecolitan: Can you not upgrade to tomcat6? Given that you will not get any (security) support for 5.5 in some months? |
| 10:30.13 | ecolitan | babilen: unfortunatly not |
| 10:30.27 | babilen | ecolitan: So what is your plan for next year? |
| 10:30.35 | GillesMM | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.15 | ecolitan | babilen: developer will only accept 5.5 now, what happens next year isnt really my problem |
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| 10:31.31 | babilen | GillesMM: What do you mean by extra packages? You want to create your own repository with *already* created ones or are you unsure how to create those .debs? |
| 10:31.51 | GillesMM | No I want to create my own cd |
| 10:32.01 | ecolitan | devil: wont apt-get try and upgrade it from the squeeze sources i have |
| 10:32.21 | GillesMM | I have three personal package to add with program I wrote and made deb |
| 10:32.24 | devil | ecolitan: ups, yes, you need apt-get install -t lenny .... |
| 10:32.29 | babilen | ecolitan: Ok, another possibility would be a "forwardport" that works like a backport just that you compile the package from an older version. (see /msg dpkg ssb -- replace sid with lenny in there where appropriate) |
| 10:32.48 | babilen | !tell GillesMM about custom cd |
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| 10:34.33 | ecolitan | ok thanks, will give these ideas t try :) |
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| 10:46.50 | imdea | Hi, after doing a aptitude update i get: Release file expired, ignoring http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release (invalid since ... any ideas? |
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| 10:52.26 | Technikfreak | hello did someone have knowledge baout cups? |
| 10:53.02 | Technikfreak | makes this jsut an pcl stream? |
| 10:53.07 | teolicy | Hi. I'm trying to create a trivial apt repository for just a few packages I compiled with some tweaks. What I came up with so far can be seen here http://pastebin.com/0HTrq3qD. |
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| 10:54.04 | teolicy | Alas, when adding 'deb http://myhost/apt/ /' to my sources list and running apt-get update, I get 'W: Failed to fetch http://myhost/apt/Release Unable to find expected entry Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)'. |
| 10:54.22 | teolicy | Any tips? I can also divulge the precise way I reached this directory layout. |
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| 10:55.11 | teolicy | Alternatively, where (other than the source code...), can I find official documentation on the expected structure of the Release file? |
| 10:55.40 | petemc | !own repo |
| 10:55.41 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
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| 10:57.01 | teolicy | Pfft. I am /that/ obvious, huh? Thanks petemc, I will review these instructions. |
| 10:57.55 | teolicy | Hmm, no, wait. These instructions don't cover signing the Release file, which is what I'm having trouble with. |
| 10:58.21 | teolicy | My repository works fine without Release{,.gpg}. But I want my packages to be signed (kill me if I know why, it's that fuzzy feeling thing). |
| 10:58.27 | teolicy | Any tips? |
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| 11:08.14 | doublehp_ | which package provides xwarppointer ? |
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| 11:09.52 | stew | teolicy: gpg -a --detach-sign --output Release.gpg Release |
| 11:10.01 | stew | judd: file xwarppointer |
| 11:10.05 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 11:10.38 | teolicy | stew: I believe I'm OK with the signing, but for some reason my client claims the Release file is malformed. |
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| 11:11.16 | teolicy | stew: (by signing I mean: creating the key, signing Release, sending the key to keyserver, receiving key from keyserver on client machine and using apt-key add on it) |
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| 11:11.35 | teolicy | stew: The contents of the Release file are pasted here: http://pastebin.com/0HTrq3qD |
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| 11:12.14 | jack_lt | which (brand) routers works good with Debian / Linux? |
| 11:12.17 | doublehp_ | stew: ??? |
| 11:12.41 | doublehp_ | stew: does this mean it was removed from distro ? -once more, i wish I had not updated my debian :!!! |
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| 11:13.48 | stew | teolicy: create the key with gpg --gen-key, i told you how to sign the release already, send it to a keyserver with gpg --send-keys, you can add to apt-key with gpg --export $keyid | apt-key add - |
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| 11:14.10 | stew | teolicy: what exactly does your client claim? |
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| 11:15.43 | stew | doublehp_: i dunno. i don't see it in lenny either |
| 11:16.12 | doublehp_ | stew: i installed it just a few months ago |
| 11:16.36 | doublehp_ | may 3rd |
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| 11:17.20 | stew | doublehp_: then check /var/log/dpkg.log.2.gz or so |
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| 11:18.49 | doublehp_ | i can not reinstall what an update removed; so ... what are the alternatives ? |
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| 11:26.25 | nand` | What's the proper way to install precompiled software that is not in the repository on debian (and derivatives)? |
| 11:26.37 | nand` | Where do I drop the application's folder, and where do I create symlinks? |
| 11:28.00 | doublehp_ | nand`: create your own repo |
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| 11:33.27 | guardian | hi anyone managed to build vtune's kernel driver with a 2.6.39 kernel? |
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| 11:34.47 | nand` | doublehp_: How would I go about doing that, though? The software I'm wanting to install in particular is the nightly build of Firefox 8.0a1 |
| 11:34.58 | nand` | I've currently just moved the entire folder to /usr/bin/firefox |
| 11:36.07 | wols_ | !tell guardian about anyone |
| 11:36.16 | wols_ | guardian: ask your real question |
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| 11:36.41 | wols_ | !tell nand` about checkinstall |
| 11:37.03 | wols_ | nand`: and installing such software to /usr/bin is bad. use /usr/local or opt. check out checkinstall and stow |
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| 11:40.42 | nand` | wols_: I don't have the make install file so I can't use checkinstall that easily. I suppose I could get it from the original repository though, I'll save that as a workaround. |
| 11:40.47 | doublehp_ | guardian: as the matter is not debian specific: OT => #kernelnewbies or #networking |
| 11:41.01 | wols_ | nand`: use stow then |
| 11:41.02 | doublehp_ | wols_: or kick him for being OT |
| 11:41.04 | nand` | What's the difference between /usr/local and /opt? I'm new to Linux and especially Debian so I don't know much about the folder layout |
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| 11:41.24 | wols_ | doublehp_: if he runs debian then it is on topic |
| 11:41.24 | abrotman | !fhs |
| 11:41.24 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 11:42.06 | rysiek|pl | yello |
| 11:42.21 | rysiek|pl | anybody want's to help a bit with traffic shaping/throttling? :) |
| 11:42.23 | guardian | indeed it's not debian specific |
| 11:42.39 | abrotman | rysiek|pl: wondershaper, read the docs |
| 11:42.41 | guardian | it's vtune specific, looks like their driver source needs to be patched before compiling against 2.6.39 works |
| 11:42.44 | guardian | sorry |
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| 11:43.09 | doublehp_ | nand`: local folders are for softwares local to machine; local makes sens when you have an NFS server distributing a common /usr to hundreds of clients, when each machine want to have things other machines don't need (or not all). /opt is an orthogonal approach ; IMHO, for apps that are not free, or can not be considered equally compared to other softwars of distro |
| 11:43.17 | rysiek|pl | I am responsible for setting-up wifi for a Linux conference here and would like to create traffic shaping so that every client gets, say, 160Kbps up/down |
| 11:43.32 | doublehp_ | nand`: opt can contain bins what were provided without source, or with non free license. |
| 11:43.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 11:43.42 | rysiek|pl | but I can't seem to find any way of telling that to tc aside from iterating through all IPs in the subnet |
| 11:44.05 | nand` | doublehp_: Ah, that explains it perfectly. I'll stick it in /opt for now |
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| 11:44.29 | abrotman | nand`: in reality, there is no difference, use whichever you want |
| 11:44.35 | doublehp_ | nand`: you were given the url for FHS; you should read it; i may be wrong |
| 11:44.56 | nand` | abrotman: Yeah but adapting to an existing convention and following it early on (this is my first day of using debian) will make my life easier in the future |
| 11:45.01 | abrotman | some binary-only apps use one, some the other, some a third place |
| 11:45.06 | nand` | I'm used to my files being all over the place and across separate partitions from Windows |
| 11:45.15 | abrotman | nand`: then read the FHS |
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| 11:45.24 | abrotman | nan |
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| 11:45.29 | abrotman | belh |
| 11:45.55 | abrotman | nand`: if it's a personal binary, you can use ~/bin/ or something like that |
| 11:46.09 | nand` | abrotman: I've bookmarked the FHS links for now |
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| 11:46.19 | doublehp_ | nand`: /opt usually contains Flash and Skype, and bits of OOo . /local may contain things you compiled manually; a normal debian may have things in local, but very few. The use of folder may vary from distro to distro |
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| 11:46.41 | abrotman | uh .. my flash goes in /usr/lib/ |
| 11:47.02 | doublehp_ | abrotman: my flash is in ~/.lib :) |
| 11:47.12 | abrotman | and there is no /local/ ? |
| 11:47.12 | nand` | I suppose the distinction between local and user-specific folders is largely irrelevant on a single-installation, single-user desktop machien like mine |
| 11:47.41 | abrotman | doublehp_: and *nothing* from debian goes in usrlocal |
| 11:48.02 | abrotman | nor should it (from any official package) |
| 11:48.33 | doublehp_ | nand`: then use ~ . ~ will make your user profile portable, and usable via NFS on other machines on the net, ie, when you will migrate your actual desktop to new box. Or want to share part of your profile with laptop |
| 11:48.35 | nand` | Where should I create the x-www-browser symlink, then? /usr/bin? |
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| 11:48.48 | abrotman | nand`: no |
| 11:49.09 | abrotman | nand`: man update-alternatives |
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| 12:03.32 | ws2k3 | hello people i'm building a game control panel for linux. but i'm running into an issue how can i build a website that somehow runs a linux command on a different server(in a safe way) i already have looked into php exec but its not very safe and its hard of cross platform. what |
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| 12:04.37 | nevyn | ws2k3: ssh? |
| 12:04.42 | nevyn | with restricted command? |
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| 12:04.56 | nevyn | that's probably about as good as it gets for that sort of requirement |
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| 12:05.03 | nevyn | there's an argument this is doing it wrong btw. |
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| 12:05.15 | teolicy | stew: Sorry for being AFK. Anyhow, my client claims W: Failed to fetch http://myhost/apt/Release Unable to find expected entry Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 12:05.58 | teolicy | stew: Like I said, I believe I do the signing correctly (as well as everything related to the keyserver, apt-key on the client, etc), I believe my Release file is wrong somehow, regardless of the signing. |
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| 12:09.05 | ws2k3 | nevyn ssh isnt default in php |
| 12:09.53 | teolicy | ws2k3: I'm not sure there is a secure cross platform remote execution solution default in php. Between which two platforms would you like to communicate? |
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| 12:12.26 | GRMrGecko | I'm having a problem where after hours of the computer being on, it goes offline to where you cannot communicate with it. |
| 12:12.32 | GRMrGecko | Request timeout for icmp_seq 0 |
| 12:12.32 | ws2k3 | linux |
| 12:12.37 | ws2k3 | debian(A) |
| 12:12.50 | ws2k3 | i have full shell access to 4 machines |
| 12:13.14 | GRMrGecko | it only comes back after a shutdown and start back up |
| 12:13.30 | GRMrGecko | I am not sure if a reboot fixes it, but I could test tomorrow when it's down again |
| 12:13.51 | monk | GRMrGecko- does the machine 'goto sleep'? |
| 12:13.54 | ws2k3 | on one server i have a website(machine is also debian) i wish to make that from the website i can execute linux command on the other servers.(in a secure way) it dont have to be php i can use javascript AJAX cgi or whatever is wise to use |
| 12:13.59 | GRMrGecko | monk: No. |
| 12:14.04 | GRMrGecko | As far as I know |
| 12:14.16 | monk | check the power settings to be sure |
| 12:14.27 | monk | otherwise it could be a faulty NIC |
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| 12:16.07 | GRMrGecko | monk: Apparently it's not set to go to sleep http://mrgeckosmedia.net/grab/b6284cef599d2a291161838fdc1f97d4.PNG |
| 12:16.19 | teolicy | ws2k3: IMO, either you should wrap whatever command you'd like to run with a secure web interface, or use restricted command ssh. |
| 12:16.33 | GRMrGecko | unless your telling me to look in the BIOS |
| 12:16.37 | teolicy | ws2k3: You're probably less likely to screw up security if you do the latter. |
| 12:17.09 | ws2k3 | teolicy mt english is not that good maby can u tell a little more about what u mena |
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| 12:17.26 | ws2k3 | in a secure web interface. how should i do that on a remote server? |
| 12:17.46 | ws2k3 | php default has no procotols or support to communicate with other servers |
| 12:18.14 | GRMrGecko | monk: What is a NIC? |
| 12:18.17 | teolicy | ws2k3: Option 1: Write a PHP script that runs the command when people access a certain URL. You will need to take care of authentication. |
| 12:18.26 | monk | <GRMrGecko> could be a fault on the NIC then |
| 12:18.55 | ws2k3 | http://tinyurl.com/mvlnq7 |
| 12:19.03 | GRMrGecko | NIC is a network interface card? |
| 12:19.06 | teolicy | ws2k3: Option 2: Have the requesting server ssh into the target server and run the command. |
| 12:19.20 | ws2k3 | teolicy we use that command now |
| 12:19.22 | ws2k3 | php exec |
| 12:19.28 | ws2k3 | but its very unsafe |
| 12:19.41 | ws2k3 | www-data is everybody can exec command on my machine |
| 12:19.52 | ws2k3 | but we use that way now |
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| 12:21.13 | ws2k3 | teolicy lets talk about the ssh method. if i chose for that way and i wanne give users ftp access to there data how should i acchieve that |
| 12:21.26 | ws2k3 | should i make for every user a different user within debian? |
| 12:22.43 | wols_ | GRMrGecko: look into your kernel-log/dmesg when it happens. check ifconfig, etc |
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| 12:24.09 | ws2k3 | teolicy? |
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| 12:26.02 | GRMrGecko | wols_: How do I look at kernel logs/dmesg? |
| 12:26.21 | GRMrGecko | Also where I can find out the brand of the network card |
| 12:26.58 | Flash__ | GRMrGecko, "dmesg|grep eth" may show, but ethtool gives more info |
| 12:27.18 | Flash__ | also lspci will give some info |
| 12:27.59 | GRMrGecko | I guess kernel logs are at /var/log |
| 12:29.06 | GRMrGecko | Marvell Technology Group Ltd |
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| 12:32.15 | GRMrGecko | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=107288 |
| 12:32.27 | GRMrGecko | so⦠This guy says it's faulting for him as well |
| 12:33.01 | GRMrGecko | maybe debian has a bug with this network card? |
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| 12:34.48 | fenugreek | from 2008 |
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| 12:35.42 | GRMrGecko | The router statically assigns this computer with an IP, I don't think that should be an issue, would it be an issue? |
| 12:36.16 | GRMrGecko | I'm going to be using it as a server, so if the network fails on it, I will have to get a new ethernet card for it... |
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| 12:39.24 | efaistos | how long linux keeps arp cache ? |
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| 12:44.09 | grepper | seems there is a bug in bash-completion/acroread (on sid at least), with no bug reports I can see in debian. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/769866 for anyone else caught by it - those suggestions worked for me. |
| 12:45.23 | fenugreek | acroread? |
| 12:45.32 | fenugreek | oh neat |
| 12:45.36 | fenugreek | another reason to use evince |
| 12:45.40 | teolicy | ws2k3: Let's assume you have hostA and hostB. hostA should run command "foo --bar" on hostB. Setup ssh keys between hostA and hostB (http://tinyurl.com/3c85x8l), then read about SSH command restriction (http://tinyurl.com/2wgrses) and you're done. |
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| 12:48.09 | reklipz | Hey folks. Is it possible to run Linux 3.0 with Squeeze? |
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| 12:49.13 | fenugreek | reklipz: course |
| 12:49.22 | fenugreek | not going to tell you how, though =) |
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| 12:49.52 | masterkorp | hello, i am makig a deb packager that reads PKGBUILDs (if someone knows archlinux, for sure is familiar. Well i am asking if you still make your packages by hand ? you use any tool ? |
| 12:50.06 | devil | 3.0 will even be released today (most probably) |
| 12:50.09 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 12:50.10 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 12:50.14 | grepper | fenugreek: yeah, an acroread script in bash_completion.d/ messes up common completions elsewhere |
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| 12:50.44 | masterkorp | judd: clone the github repo, its 3.0 already, it works i am runing it |
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| 12:50.52 | Iridos | it's only software... everything is "possible"... but if you mean if it's packaged for debian: only in experimental. You _can_ install that into squeeze but expect it to break things and to have to put work into debugging problems |
| 12:51.21 | reklipz | Hmm. building a kernel has always confused me. |
| 12:51.22 | Iridos | reklipz, ^^^ well, 3.0.0-rc6 |
| 12:51.38 | fenugreek | and you can expect a lot more given that you didn't even know you could |
| 12:51.44 | reklipz | That's fine by me; I want to test if the b43 driver works on my laptop. |
| 12:51.57 | fenugreek | fancy |
| 12:52.01 | Iridos | dpkg, experimental |
| 12:52.01 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 12:52.45 | Iridos | hmp, that could give a line for sources.list |
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| 12:55.13 | reklipz | following: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package |
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| 12:55.45 | Iridos | reklipz, you can add a line for experimental to /etc/apt/sources.list and install the kernel from there... no need to package .. but keep a live-cd ready in case your machine doesn't boot anymore |
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| 12:56.15 | thelastninja | "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0" ; means which package is missed and should be installed ? |
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| 12:56.19 | reklipz | Well, so long as it doesn't clobber my boot loader and other kernels, I should be okay to boot, no? |
| 12:56.21 | masterkorp | i don't like to be anoying but can anyone answer me please ? :) |
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| 12:56.24 | devil | it will still boot from the old kernel |
| 12:56.27 | fenugreek | masterkorp: 42 |
| 12:56.39 | masterkorp | fenugreek: 42 ? |
| 12:56.43 | reklipz | ... |
| 12:56.49 | fenugreek | what am I, a parrot? |
| 12:57.14 | masterkorp | fenugreek: ? |
| 12:57.17 | Iridos | argh, I hate the way xchat now closes when you close the shell you started it from... didn't use to |
| 12:57.39 | masterkorp | Iridos: lol that happens with every app |
| 12:57.56 | Iridos | devil, hopefully so... only if there's more than the generic /vmlinz kernel in the list (which there should be) |
| 12:57.56 | devil | screen ftr |
| 12:57.59 | masterkorp | since the process is a child of that terminal emulator |
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| 12:58.15 | masterkorp | devil: tmux > screen |
| 12:58.20 | fenugreek | Iridos: irix, seriously? |
| 12:58.21 | devil | as well |
| 12:58.24 | Iridos | masterkorp, no... a lot of programs catch the exception. (xemacs for example) |
| 12:58.46 | Iridos | fenugreek, no, vms :-P |
| 12:58.51 | fenugreek | wow |
| 12:58.58 | fenugreek | why aren't you using a launcher? |
| 12:59.02 | masterkorp | Iridos: just start from your WM/DE launcher or use a decent program like weechat or irssi under tmux |
| 12:59.02 | Iridos | fenugreek, just kidding... debian of course :) |
| 12:59.04 | reklipz | nohup |
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| 12:59.19 | Technikfreak | hello |
| 12:59.25 | Technikfreak | how could i implement a ppd data? |
| 12:59.26 | fenugreek | hi |
| 12:59.31 | Technikfreak | for a printer |
| 12:59.44 | masterkorp | hello, i am makig a deb packager that reads PKGBUILDs (if someone knows archlinux, for sure is familiar. Well i am asking if you still make your packages by hand ? you use any tool ? |
| 12:59.45 | Iridos | yes, I know... but it didn't act like that (dunno why) and I never think of using nohup. Perhaps I'll write a wrapper |
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| 13:00.11 | reklipz | alias would be better, imo |
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| 13:00.56 | fenugreek | be a lot of aliases |
| 13:01.21 | Iridos | I wonder what it was in lenny that prevented it from being killed... I'm sure I would have noticed if the same happened there |
| 13:01.22 | masterkorp | Iridos: alias xchat = nohup xchat > /dev/null |
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| 13:02.13 | r4co0n | what did i forget: i set up pro-ftpd to get access to some files via dyndns. the hostname of my router gets shown when tracerouting, port 20 and 21 are tcp-forwarded in the router to the debian box. ftp works from localhost and lan. |
| 13:02.39 | r4co0n | no access from www |
| 13:02.43 | r4co0n | timeout |
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| 13:03.25 | Iridos | master_of_master, more like alias xchat='xchat&disown %xchat' |
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| 13:05.14 | Iridos | still annoys me... there was something in lenny that made a difference ... it's not just xchat, but also inkscape, firefox, chromium and a lot of others. If they weren't running in the foreground, they weren't closed when you closed the shell, now they are |
| 13:05.15 | r4co0n | without firewall in router it works, any hint what setting might do the trick? |
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| 13:05.39 | Iridos | admittedly, the current behavior is the one that is to be expected after documentation, but I got used and prefer the previous one |
| 13:06.03 | thelastninja | "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0" ; means which package is missed and should be installed ? |
| 13:06.26 | Iridos | oops, wront "master" |
| 13:06.50 | Iridos | dpkg, tell thelastninja -about apt-file |
| 13:06.52 | Iridos | wrong* |
| 13:07.17 | fenugreek | kicks sand in thelastninja's face |
| 13:07.20 | fenugreek | likes funerals |
| 13:08.09 | Iridos | thelastninja, also, if that comes from a program in a debian package, you should file a bug report |
| 13:08.26 | Iridos | (but I doubt it does) |
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| 13:10.32 | Iridos | r4co0n, it's a problem with the forwarding rules in your router and not a problem connected with debian |
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| 13:12.40 | wols_ | r4co0n: and using the ftp protocol this way is stupid. server and client behind a NAT = recipe for disaster. do you really need anonymous access? if not, use ssh instead |
| 13:12.43 | jelly | thelastninja: libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 13:14.05 | Justin | even if you need anonymous access, a simple http server is better in every way possible |
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| 13:15.44 | Odaym | how would I restart X? |
| 13:15.51 | superbob | tell me |
| 13:16.07 | Odaym | is there a command separate from "ps ax | grep Xorg" and then kill Xorg? |
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| 13:16.25 | fenugreek | Odaym: are you using a DM? |
| 13:16.33 | Odaym | Gnome, yes |
| 13:16.40 | fenugreek | you should be able to tell GDM to restart |
| 13:16.47 | Justin | gnome is not a display manager |
| 13:16.54 | Odaym | it's a DE??? |
| 13:16.58 | fenugreek | yes |
| 13:17.00 | Odaym | sorry for the multiple question marks |
| 13:17.13 | Odaym | then im using GDM for DM |
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| 13:17.18 | Odaym | gdm3 shows up in init.d |
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| 13:17.57 | Odaym | it's just because the Dropbox folder is not showing an emblem |
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| 13:18.06 | Odaym | and therefore doesn't show up the Dropbox menu on right click |
| 13:18.12 | Odaym | usually restarting X fixes that |
| 13:18.23 | fenugreek | ... |
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| 13:18.31 | fenugreek | you ever try restarting dropbox? |
| 13:18.45 | Odaym | I did before as part of troubleshooting this problem, it didn't solve it |
| 13:18.51 | Odaym | only restarting X solved it |
| 13:19.00 | Odaym | couple of times this happened and restarting X solved it everytime |
| 13:19.06 | thomas__ | AB |
| 13:19.25 | Odaym | i will try the gdm3 restart |
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| 13:19.48 | fenugreek | pffff |
| 13:19.50 | fenugreek | think I'd replace dropbox =P |
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| 13:35.42 | rumba | What would be the smallest debian-based distribution that can be installed in VirtualBox? |
| 13:36.10 | Justin | rumba: debian? |
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| 13:36.21 | bzrk | rumba: dsl |
| 13:36.22 | thelastninja | Iridos: thanks, that is the error when I run the ESET-NOD32 installer for linux |
| 13:36.44 | rumba | bzrk: That's what I've got right now. Thanks! |
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| 13:38.20 | Iridos | no idea what ESET-NOD32 is |
| 13:38.52 | wols_ | Iridos: antivirus program |
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| 13:39.32 | rumba | And it's one of the best (if not the best, for Windows) |
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| 13:40.35 | thelastninja | Iridos: that file is already installed in my system and it is strange why ESET-NOD32 installer can not see it |
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| 13:41.03 | wols_ | thelastninja: you run 64bit debian? |
| 13:41.12 | thelastninja | yes wols, 64bit debain 6 |
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| 13:41.27 | wols_ | thelastninja: now you have your answer. btw: why do you think you need a AV program? |
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| 13:41.55 | wols_ | especially when it's pretty useless, doubly so on amd64 |
| 13:42.01 | thelastninja | wols: ok lets ask the more basic question then : Do I need to install an AV to my linux OS or not ? and why ? |
| 13:42.07 | wols_ | !av |
| 13:42.37 | wols_ | thelastninja: you don't. especially not stuff which doesn't work under your debian version anyways |
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| 13:43.15 | thelastninja | wols: You mean, linux systems are not the target of viruses ? and I shall not be worried ? |
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| 13:43.52 | wols_ | are there even linux AV packages that run on 64bit properly? |
| 13:43.52 | Justin | anti-virus software doesn't work in the first place |
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| 13:44.05 | wols_ | Justin: apart from that of course |
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| 13:44.40 | thelastninja | I dont know I must review their sites for 64 bit version if they have one. |
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| 13:50.23 | rockingwing | yo |
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| 13:50.41 | rockingwing | im running debian lenny (slap me, i know its the old version) and plesk |
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| 13:50.54 | rockingwing | i wanted to update php, cause im still running 5.2.6, how to do that? |
| 13:51.05 | rockingwing | apt-get upgrade wont bring up any php updates |
| 13:51.15 | abrotman | upgrade to squeeze? break plesk? |
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| 13:51.37 | eugenmayer | hello, is there a debian package to setup a maven reporsitory? |
| 13:51.38 | rockingwing | i dont want to upgrade... (never change a running system) lol |
| 13:51.46 | somiaj | rockingwing: well 'stable' distros will rarely if never upgrade package versions so you should either update to squeese and use its php version, see if there is a backport floating around or build your own backport. |
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| 13:52.39 | rockingwing | how about changing the package lists to squeeze ones, getting the php upgrades there and change back to lenny ones? |
| 13:52.41 | rockingwing | would that work? |
| 13:52.59 | Iridos | thelastninja, viruses do not play a major role for linux security, as regular users don't have write access to program files. You could look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-HOWTO/ and <harden-doc> and install things like <tripwire> or similar to increase security. (words in brackets you can/should ask the bot about with "/msg dpkg word"). Be aware that there is always a trade-off between ease-of-use and security |
| 13:53.07 | abrotman | and do NOT use the dotdeb stuff |
| 13:53.20 | stew | rockingwing: if you were going to do that, it would be better to just upgrade to squeeze |
| 13:53.23 | abrotman | rockingwing: that will end with a broken system |
| 13:53.29 | rockingwing | okay |
| 13:54.01 | somiaj | rockingwing: no do not mix debian versions, because its not just php but all of its dependencies you will have to pull in -- which usually has at least libc6 there, and then once you start having mixed libary versions there is no saying if things will work or not -- its why I said make a backport |
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| 13:54.39 | reklipz | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-amd64 -- what? |
| 13:54.43 | somiaj | rockingwing: or install a new server with debian squeese and then move your data to that new server, then put it in place of the old one once its working (better than just upgrading the server and posibally having down time) |
| 13:54.43 | rockingwing | ok then i rather will upgrade to squeeze xD |
| 13:55.10 | rockingwing | thats the problem... im only owning a vServer with lenny and plesk on it |
| 13:55.29 | rockingwing | and im pretty proud of myself to know how to use it xD |
| 13:55.40 | somiaj | rockingwing: backports aren't that hard to make -- and there may be some old lenny backports on the offical boackport repos for a php version you want. |
| 13:55.46 | reklipz | err -- http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-3.0.0-rc5-amd64 -- wha? Why does the package not exist? |
| 13:56.11 | wols_ | reklipz: cause we're now up to rc7 or so |
| 13:56.12 | rockingwing | ok somiaj |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | been removed perhaps |
| 13:56.32 | reklipz | I can't find any 3.0 linux-image packages |
| 13:56.45 | reklipz | The prior link, linux-image-amd64 has that package as a depends |
| 13:56.51 | somiaj | reklipz: expereimentals repos change on a regular basis, just because it was there doesn't mean it will stay there. |
| 13:56.56 | Iridos | reklipz, rc6 |
| 13:57.03 | Bushmills | reklipz: where did you look for them? |
| 13:57.18 | Iridos | reklipz, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image --> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-3.0.0-rc6-amd64 |
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| 13:57.24 | abrotman | thinks maybe someone that cant find the package, maybe shouldnt be using it? |
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| 13:57.44 | Iridos | abrotman, he said he doesn't mind when it breaks, iirc *shrug* |
| 13:57.45 | reklipz | this is very strange... |
| 13:57.48 | somiaj | reklipz: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3.0 -- just search the current packages in the repos. |
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| 13:58.01 | stew | rockingwing: or http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 13:58.11 | reklipz | Is packages.kernel.org not always up to date? |
| 13:58.40 | Iridos | packages.kernel.org? |
| 13:58.58 | somiaj | I get a domain doesn't exist. |
| 13:59.08 | stew | it can lag from time to time, but by hours, not weeks |
| 13:59.20 | rockingwing | stew: how is that helping me? oO |
| 13:59.27 | reklipz | s/kernel/debian/ |
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| 13:59.28 | stew | rockingwing: sorry, not for you |
| 13:59.28 | Bushmills | dpkg, stuff a ripe banana into reklipz's ear |
| 13:59.29 | dpkg | stuffs a ripe banana into reklipz's ear full of cookies until a ripe banana into reklipz's ear puts up a nice color of green |
| 13:59.30 | rockingwing | ok :D |
| 13:59.49 | rockingwing | err... somiaj, i found a php 5.3 package at dotdeb.com, is that ok? |
| 13:59.58 | rockingwing | dotdeb.org * |
| 14:00.00 | stew | !dotdeb |
| 14:00.00 | dpkg | dotdeb is probably for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 14:00.17 | stew | rockingwing: they can be problematic |
| 14:00.21 | rockingwing | ooook :D |
| 14:00.23 | rockingwing | thx |
| 14:00.32 | reklipz | I didn't realize just how broken experimental could be; sorry. |
| 14:00.40 | somiaj | rockingwing: I woudln't trust non debian packages -- espically since they may not follow the strict stable libs for backports deisgn. |
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| 14:00.52 | rockingwing | ok thx for the info :) |
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| 14:01.52 | somiaj | reklipz: experimental isn't even a full distro, so yes its design is broken. |
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| 14:02.22 | marsfligth | Hi, is it possible to execute 'mount cifs' as standard user? |
| 14:02.34 | reklipz | marsfligth: yes |
| 14:02.51 | rockingwing | hm unfortunately it doesnt look like there is any lenny backport for php5.3 |
| 14:02.52 | stew | marsfligth: you can add the "user" or "users" option in /etc/fstab |
| 14:02.53 | marsfligth | reklipz: fantastic :) |
| 14:03.02 | stew | rockingwing: why not upgrade to squeeze? |
| 14:03.11 | somiaj | marsfligth: put the coresponding mounts in /etc/fstab give the user permision -- or give your user access to run special commands via sudo |
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| 14:03.41 | somiaj | stew: he is trying to avoid upgrading his whole vps / plesk system. |
| 14:03.47 | rockingwing | right |
| 14:03.50 | stew | why? |
| 14:03.56 | rockingwing | because its annoying |
| 14:04.00 | stew | i see |
| 14:04.08 | rockingwing | and i still dont know which plesk versions are working fine with squeeze |
| 14:04.15 | stew | do you need plesk? |
| 14:04.22 | somiaj | yea plesk is an annoying critter. |
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| 14:04.23 | rockingwing | well, its pre-installed |
| 14:04.44 | rockingwing | and i dont want to re-setup that whole vServer |
| 14:04.49 | somiaj | rockingwing: does your vps provider have newer squeese/plesk vps servers set up? -- why not get a new one, switch and bring down your old one? |
| 14:05.04 | rockingwing | i think they are still on etch |
| 14:05.06 | rockingwing | ^^ |
| 14:05.10 | stew | rockingwing: well, keep in mind that in february, security (and other) support ends for lenny |
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| 14:05.16 | marsfligth | somiaj: great, thanks a lot to you, reklipz and stew |
| 14:05.16 | rockingwing | i know |
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| 14:05.41 | rockingwing | i will try to contact the support, maybe they can help me with my request |
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| 14:18.55 | ChesterX | !download |
| 14:18.56 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 14:19.01 | lamah | which chan is for support of mozillla.debian ? |
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| 14:19.17 | ChesterX | !various cd1 |
| 14:19.18 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Squeeze, you'd grab -> debian-600-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
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| 14:19.44 | ChesterX | !firmware images |
| 14:19.45 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
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| 14:19.47 | somiaj | ChesterX: /msg dpkg <factoid> -- no need to spam the channel |
| 14:19.56 | ChesterX | somiaj, sorry forgot that one |
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| 14:23.32 | lamah | which chan is for supporting -- mozillla.debian ? |
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| 14:26.50 | rockingwing | fucking plesk :s |
| 14:27.27 | th0r | rockingwing: people are going to jump to help on that |
| 14:27.56 | rockingwing | somiaj are u there? |
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| 14:29.13 | Iridos | th0r, help fucking plesk? |
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| 14:29.42 | th0r | Iridos: or maybe 'man...?' |
| 14:29.52 | rockingwing | cant upgrade to squeeze due to plesk |
| 14:29.58 | rockingwing | <.< |
| 14:30.17 | Iridos | th0r, I mean was "that" ... |
| 14:30.35 | rockingwing | and i CANT backup the whole gameservers :/ |
| 14:30.40 | th0r | Iridos: yup |
| 14:30.46 | Iridos | eye sea |
| 14:30.53 | kfogel | I'm running a regularly-updated Debian 'testing' dist on my box, but Iceweasel (Firefox) is still at 3.5.19 even though upstream is at 5.0.1. Is this expected? Is there a more recent iceweasel somewhere? |
| 14:30.59 | portos | hello guys! |
| 14:30.59 | portos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.00 | somiaj | rockingwing: yea as i said you will most likely want to get a fresh vps with squeeze/plesk already installed if that is the version youw ant to run, then import your domains over |
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| 14:31.26 | somiaj | rockingwing: you could look for other vps providers if you must use plesk -- personally I avoid servers with it. |
| 14:31.29 | rockingwing | yep somiaj, have to wait until there are fresh squeeze templates |
| 14:31.32 | portos | for debian squeeze |
| 14:31.49 | rockingwing | yes its just the thing if its worth the effort |
| 14:31.53 | somiaj | rockingwing: also helping in #debian wasn't an invite for private help, others can also give you free advise, and rember we are all volenteers. |
| 14:31.53 | Iridos | sure, shall we hold the ladder while you climb up? |
| 14:32.18 | rockingwing | oh, sorry for qrying you |
| 14:32.26 | somiaj | rockingwing: do you have your own debian machine -- you cuould create a lenny chroot, and build a backport there. |
| 14:32.38 | rockingwing | nope, im running win7 ^^ |
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| 14:33.21 | rockingwing | and tbh, if it is such a big effort for getting that little update |
| 14:33.30 | portos | anybody... |
| 14:33.32 | rockingwing | i will wait until there is a template of squeeze ^^ |
| 14:33.49 | somiaj | rockingwing: that is the best bet if you don't want to go though finding a backport |
| 14:34.00 | rockingwing | i just looked for some |
| 14:34.07 | rockingwing | but debian doesnt have official ones |
| 14:34.16 | rockingwing | and u said dotdeb.org arent the most stable ones |
| 14:35.23 | Iridos | portos, sure, shall we hold the ladder while you climb up? |
| 14:35.27 | somiaj | rockingwing: well any reason why you 'must' upgrade php5? Security reasons or is there some feature the php5 in lenny doesn't have? |
| 14:35.52 | Bushmills | rockingwing: "...CANT backup.." - just overwrite. what isn't worth to backup isn't worth to keep |
| 14:37.08 | ChesterX | hi, i don't quite get the difference between the "full cd" and the "full dvd". Could someone please give me a quick insight? |
| 14:37.18 | rockingwing | i can backup, Bushmills |
| 14:37.37 | rockingwing | but do you know what a mess it is to upload several GB's with an 2 MBit connection to a server? |
| 14:37.53 | rockingwing | even downloading takes an awful lot of time |
| 14:37.56 | Bushmills | backup to another server. that's faster |
| 14:38.04 | rockingwing | i dont have any other server |
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| 14:38.07 | rockingwing | thats the problem |
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| 14:38.14 | Iridos | dpkg, tell portos -about ask |
| 14:38.14 | Bushmills | as i say, "not worth..." |
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| 14:39.09 | mosno | as far as i can tell, Debian doesn't have a driver for Hyper-V in Windows Server 2008 (pre-R2). has anyone got it working? |
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| 14:39.25 | mosno | NIC driver* |
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| 14:48.58 | Iridos | ChesterX, if that's on install CDs... there's many more install CDs (37 or so?) than install DVDs... there's more packages in Debian to fit on one CD or DVD... "full" is just in contrast to netinstall, which just contains the packages for a small base system |
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| 14:51.33 | jaw^ | does anyone know how to change exim's default user to another user? (default being: "Debian-exim" , UID 103) |
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| 14:52.13 | Iridos | probably edit the init script... but I would advise against it |
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| 14:53.18 | jaw^ | I'm running custom configuration anyway |
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| 14:53.46 | Iridos | that's not part of the configuration |
| 14:53.49 | ChesterX | Iridos, thank you! very helpfull |
| 14:54.14 | jaw^ | Iridos: I'm not starting with the init.d script either, still it runs as 103.. I'd expect it to run as root then |
| 14:54.15 | Iridos | search for the user in /etc/init.d/exim4 |
| 14:54.51 | Iridos | hm |
| 14:54.52 | jaw^ | Iridos: all it does is create the /var/run/exim4 with that user, that's all |
| 14:55.00 | jaw^ | I tried changing that, no difference |
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| 14:55.09 | jaw^ | (I tried chowning that dir) |
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| 14:55.31 | jaw^ | could exim4 be built with that user into the binary? |
| 14:55.32 | Iridos | perhaps it is part of the configuration, as the MTA of course has to run as root |
| 14:56.53 | Iridos | jaw^, find /etc -type f -exec grep -il Debian-exim '{}' + |
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| 14:57.11 | Iridos | I still think it's not a good idea to change it |
| 14:58.16 | Iridos | most mentions seem to be comments, though |
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| 14:59.20 | jaw^ | well, I guess maybe I should build exim myself then. |
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| 15:00.23 | Iridos | also see what /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.html has to say about the user |
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| 15:02.18 | wols_ | jaw^: why do you need it to be another user? |
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| 15:02.47 | jaw^ | wols_: since I'm delivering into mailboxes owned by another user. |
| 15:03.09 | jaw^ | i.e. I'm using apache+php to access the mailboxes themselves.. |
| 15:03.20 | jaw^ | an apache listening only via https |
| 15:03.37 | wols_ | jaw^: that's normal. an MTA always delivers to a mailbox owned by someone else. changing the user it runs under won't help |
| 15:04.14 | wols_ | you might solve your problem but then you cannot deliver mails to root anymore, or to user#2, etc. so fix your root problem |
| 15:04.34 | jaw^ | "exim user lost privilege for using -C option" I get this in the log |
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| 15:05.07 | jaw^ | and I have to use the -C option, as the debian config is not possible to use for me.. or I'd have to turn it upside down |
| 15:05.21 | wols_ | how do you do local mail derlivery btw (tho I am a postfix user and have no clue about exim) |
| 15:06.13 | jaw^ | I don't |
| 15:06.16 | jaw^ | no need |
| 15:06.24 | jaw^ | it's only for virtualhosted domains.. i.e. web hosting + mail |
| 15:06.30 | jaw^ | I think I found it now though |
| 15:06.46 | jaw^ | TRUSTED_CONFIG_LIST is defined at build time, any other config file will be treated as an end-user one |
| 15:07.03 | jaw^ | so what I have to do is not nice, I have to put my config in /var/lib/exim4/ |
| 15:07.06 | jaw^ | anyway might solve it.. |
| 15:07.23 | wols_ | if you don't do local mail delivery then there is no mail you ever receive. so again: what do you use for MDA? |
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| 15:08.30 | jaw^ | ah, uh, I do local delivery. I thought you meant local _user_ deliver (such as root) |
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| 15:09.06 | jaw^ | works now. I guess I should make my own init.d script that handles this.. |
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| 15:09.10 | jaw^ | anyway, thanks for help |
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| 15:10.53 | capri | my debian is joined into a windows ad and i want to add another user local user called "test" but at the domain allready a user "test" exist, so debian told me, that there is allready a test user |
| 15:11.11 | capri | could i add a user "test" also on any other way or is this impossible? |
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| 15:11.33 | Justin | capri: call it something other than test? |
| 15:11.33 | roonian | hello everybody. i'm trying to install the firefox extension "Tilda", but when i try to open the Tilda.xpi file to install it, i get "Tilda 0.1 could not be installed because it is not compatible with Firefox 3.6.18." (indeed, i'm running ff 3.6.8, it is not lying!) - but now i don't really know how i could solve that problem...any help available? |
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| 15:12.05 | capri | Justin: Fuck good idear.. its late ^^ |
| 15:12.35 | jelly | capri: whether this is possible will highly depend on exactly how you connected the debian workstation with AD I guess |
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| 15:13.22 | wols_ | roonian: two solutions. either get https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter/ or open the xpi file (it's a normal zipfile) and edit the manifest to accept your firefox version |
| 15:14.04 | roonian | what about just updating to 5.0 ? |
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| 15:14.30 | jelly | roonian: which debian release are you using? |
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| 15:15.19 | jelly | dpkg, tell roonian about iceweasel5 |
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| 15:15.52 | roonian | jelly: "squeeze/sid" in /etc/debian_version |
| 15:15.54 | roonian | ;) |
| 15:16.00 | jelly | roonian: that's not what I asked. |
| 15:16.32 | jelly | roonian: are you using Debian or a derivative? |
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| 15:16.44 | roonian | well, debian, ofcourse! |
| 15:17.08 | jelly | roonian: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt |
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| 15:17.41 | jelly | "squeeze/sid" would point to a rather old testing or unstable installation |
| 15:17.50 | fish_ | hi |
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| 15:18.53 | jelly | roonian: also, output of "lsb_release -a" command |
| 15:18.55 | fish_ | i fell pretty stupid with that question.. anyway: how do i check _only_ for security updates for currently installed packages? |
| 15:19.18 | Justin | fish_: if you are using stable the only updates you get are for security updates and critical bug fixes |
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| 15:19.53 | roonian | here it is: http://dpaste.com/573355/ |
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| 15:20.11 | fish_ | Justin: ok, hoped it would be that easy ;) for oldstable the same i guess? |
| 15:20.47 | roonian | and here: http://dpaste.com/573359/ |
| 15:20.50 | Justin | fish_: yeah |
| 15:20.51 | roonian | jelly: ^ |
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| 15:21.39 | stew | roonian: so your sources.list are pointing at 5.0 (lenny) and (what will be)7.0 (wheezy), but you have at least some packages from the 6.0 release but from before it was actually released |
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| 15:21.54 | stew | 6.0 being squeeze |
| 15:22.06 | stew | roonian: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 15:22.07 | roonian | yeah, it's kinda messed up |
| 15:22.24 | roonian | stew: 2.13-7 |
| 15:22.27 | jayeola | hi guys. is there a way to apt-get upgrade a single package only? |
| 15:22.36 | stew | judd: versions libc6 |
| 15:22.36 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.13-7; sid: 2.13-10 |
| 15:22.55 | stew | roonian: what version of debian are you intending to run? |
| 15:23.08 | roonian | well, donnu, really |
| 15:23.25 | fish_ | Justin: but if i was interested only in security updates, i could use another sources.list and specify it via Dir::Etc::SourceList, right? |
| 15:23.43 | berarma | fish_: see package debsecan |
| 15:23.46 | stew | fish_: which release of debian are you running? |
| 15:24.02 | fish_ | stew: stable and oldstable |
| 15:24.15 | stew | fish_: then all you are getting are security updates |
| 15:24.26 | stew | fish_: except rare cases for stuff like timezone updates |
| 15:24.38 | stew | fish_: you might look at apt-listchanges |
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| 15:26.15 | fish_ | stew / berarma: i'll have a look at that, thanks so far |
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| 15:27.45 | roonian | wols_: there is no firefox version specified in chrome.manifest! |
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| 15:28.40 | fish_ | seems like apt-listchanges doesn't help me. to but clarify that a bit: i'm trying to check for security updates and set nagios alerts based on that |
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| 15:29.47 | berarma | jayeola: I manage that from aptitude, don't know with apt-get |
| 15:29.52 | lamah | how can I play video web clips with an audio, I can play all other media apps with sound but only in web browser I don't have a sound in WEB clips, what package i need? |
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| 15:30.24 | berarma | lamah: which debian version? |
| 15:30.32 | roonian | what about running "sudo apt-get-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable" and "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"? |
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| 15:30.44 | kfogel | I'm running a regularly-updated Debian 'testing' dist on my box, but Iceweasel (Firefox) is still at 3.5.19 even though upstream ffox is at 5.0.1. Is this expected? Is there a more recent iceweasel somewhere? |
| 15:31.13 | lamah | berarma: 6.0.2 |
| 15:31.31 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:31.55 | Posterdati | please how can I create a debian image on a CF for an arm embedded system? debootstrap? |
| 15:31.56 | berarma | lamah: flash videos? do you have flashplugin-nonfree installed? |
| 15:31.58 | Coweater | kfogel: status of testing updates http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 15:32.05 | kfogel | Coweater: thx |
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| 15:32.12 | lamah | berarma: yes flash videos, no i have only gnash |
| 15:32.15 | fish_ | berarma: no package for debsecan in debian? and python-apt as a runtime dep is missing too.. |
| 15:32.55 | kfogel | Coweater: *nod* Looks like dependency chain hell. |
| 15:33.09 | berarma | lamah: maybe it's a gnash problem |
| 15:33.34 | lamah | berarma: yes 100% thanks i forgot about adobe:P |
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| 15:34.08 | berarma | fish_: which debian version are you running? |
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| 15:34.30 | berarma | ,versions debsecan |
| 15:34.31 | judd | Package debsecan on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.10+nmu2; squeeze: 0.4.14; sid: 0.4.15; wheezy: 0.4.15 |
| 15:35.05 | fish_ | berarma: uhm, i tried it on my local system but thats testing |
| 15:35.50 | berarma | fish_: something might be wrong in your sources.list |
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| 15:38.54 | fish_ | berarma: oops, sorry. yep, it's fixed now |
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| 15:39.34 | magnusmichaelson | hello. |
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| 15:40.13 | roonian | so firefox 5.0 is not possible for Debian yet? |
| 15:40.14 | fish_ | berarma: but it seems that is just matches the package name on a CVE? thats not really usefull for my scenario.. |
| 15:40.37 | berarma | fish_: cve? |
| 15:40.48 | fish_ | berarma: the security advisory |
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| 15:41.06 | fish_ | berarma: -> it doesn't really check of the currently installed version is vulnerable |
| 15:41.16 | magnusmichaelson | i'm already got debian squeeze installed and i'm very happy with it, but i'm thinking of dual booting it wih a more modern distro so that i can see how games run with the open source ati drivers. might debian testing be a good choice for that? |
| 15:41.28 | berarma | roonian: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 15:41.58 | lamah | how can i unblock blocked web address with iceweasel 5 ? |
| 15:42.06 | berarma | fish_: sry, I thought it did, I haven't used it much myself |
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| 15:42.31 | lamah | i don't know what I do but when i type twitter.com it redirects me to unavailable site www.net.org |
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| 15:42.45 | lamah | only for this address, here in debian :) |
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| 15:44.03 | fish_ | to back to the start :) whats the best way to check which security updates to my current installed packages are available? my sources.list includes 3rd party sources which could have upgrades but i wouldn't care |
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| 15:44.59 | roonian | berarma: well, there's only 3.0/3.5/3.6 as option - so no 5.0 yet? |
| 15:45.01 | fish_ | guess i can just add another sources.list for just the security source and use something like apt-get dist-upgrade -s -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/security-sources.list? |
| 15:45.04 | berarma | fish_: apt-get update will check for security updates on debian stable |
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| 15:45.23 | fish_ | berarma: but it will check for updates of other packages as well |
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| 15:45.41 | fish_ | berarma: i want _only_ security updates |
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| 15:46.11 | berarma | fish_: do you want to leave 3rd party updates out? |
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| 15:46.14 | roonian | ? |
| 15:46.19 | fish_ | berarma: yes |
| 15:46.33 | fish_ | berarma: and main updates too |
| 15:46.37 | fish_ | just security updates |
| 15:46.40 | berarma | fish_: remove those repositories (comment out) from sources.list |
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| 15:46.47 | rockingwing | re |
| 15:46.57 | buhman | I'm trying to configure failover link aggregation, and it would appear to be working for the moment, but I'm not exactly sure whether it is actually configured properly: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/443617/ I want eth1 to be the primary adapter, which it was when I first brought bond0 up, but then it seems to immediately switch over to eth0 |
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| 15:47.17 | fish_ | berarma: no, i want to use them normally. i just want to have a list of available security updates for alerting nagios |
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| 15:47.18 | berarma | roonian: see versions release, aurora and beta, 5.0, 6.0 and 7.0 respectively |
| 15:47.32 | rockingwing | so, well, indeed i forgot that i have another server xD so i updated now from a clean install, now my mysqld wont start anymore |
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| 15:47.53 | roonian | berarma: aurora == 5.0 ? |
| 15:48.20 | berarma | fish_: I think you need pinning, look the debian reference for it |
| 15:48.36 | berarma | roonian: aurora=7.0, release=5.0 |
| 15:48.41 | buhman | also I'm not sure whether I should care or not, but my interfaces are still assigned ip addresses of their own: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/443616/ is there something special I should be doing to eth0 and eth1 themselves? |
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| 15:49.35 | roonian | oh, "realease" stands for the latest "release"?! i thought that wast just the (empty) default value for the chose button widget thingy... |
| 15:49.39 | fish_ | berarma: pinning is for releases, not for packages sources - at least i guess |
| 15:50.07 | rockingwing | can anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/w011hnCM |
| 15:50.14 | berarma | roonian: right, it's the codename used by mozilla in the new release scheme |
| 15:50.42 | roonian | confusing |
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| 15:51.05 | rockingwing | release, beta, aurora ;) 5.0 -> 6.0 -> 7.0 |
| 15:51.17 | rockingwing | aurora = alpha |
| 15:51.24 | buhman | rockingwing: what about 8.0? |
| 15:51.26 | rockingwing | or even milestone |
| 15:51.27 | rockingwing | ^^ |
| 15:51.38 | rockingwing | didnt see any firefox 8 version yet, buhman |
| 15:51.51 | buhman | rockingwing: you would be mistaken |
| 15:51.53 | berarma | buhman: codenames aren't tied to versions but stages |
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| 15:52.15 | buhman | berarma: right, they're temporal |
| 15:52.23 | rockingwing | but normally they change as a beta gets released, berarma |
| 15:52.27 | roonian | (i got an old browser called "aurora", too - it's a preversion of chrome...somehow) |
| 15:52.31 | buhman | rockingwing: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ |
| 15:52.47 | rockingwing | ahh forgot about the nightly ones xD |
| 15:52.49 | rockingwing | thx ^^ |
| 15:52.58 | fullstop | Hi all. Is there an ext4 guide for tuning? I want to tune a 4TB iscsi volume.. the intended use is many millions of small files, from 300 bytes to 20K. |
| 15:52.59 | rockingwing | anyways... any idea here? http://pastebin.com/w011hnCM |
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| 15:54.11 | rockingwing | happened after upgrading to squeeze from lenny |
| 15:54.16 | _KaszpiR_ | fail to bind to socket |
| 15:54.24 | rockingwing | so it means the port is blocked? |
| 15:54.37 | _KaszpiR_ | and eariler there is a error with one table |
| 15:54.41 | resixian | rockingwing: did you do what its telling you? |
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| 15:54.53 | _KaszpiR_ | it even states what to do - mysql_upgrade script |
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| 15:54.59 | krakrjak | fullstop: are you seeing performance issues? |
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| 15:55.09 | roonian | berarma: "Unable to locate package iceweasel-release" <- ? |
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| 15:55.14 | rockingwing | so where can i find this? in /etc/mysql there isnt a mysql_upgrade |
| 15:55.14 | fullstop | krakrjak: Not yet. |
| 15:55.26 | karlpinc_ | fullstop: I'm unfamiliar with ext4. With other filesystems you may want to make sure you've enough inodes. (One per file/dir) |
| 15:55.36 | fullstop | krakrjak: if I went with defaults, i would run out of inodes. |
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| 15:56.08 | berarma | roonian: have you run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list? |
| 15:56.27 | roonian | berarma: of course |
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| 15:56.55 | karlpinc_ | fullstop: On my rysnc backups, which have _lots_ of hard links, I make one inode per 4096K block. Probably slightly excessive, but better safe than sorry. |
| 15:57.01 | rockingwing | _KaszpiR_ |
| 15:57.08 | rockingwing | where can i find that script? |
| 15:57.15 | roonian | berarma: but i get this, didn't notice it: http://dpaste.com/573383/ |
| 15:57.58 | fullstop | karlpinc_: thanks |
| 15:58.01 | lamah | twitter.com was not found on our servers. www.com.org is shown below. |
| 15:58.05 | _KaszpiR_ | rockingwing locate |
| 15:58.07 | lamah | i got only that in iceweasel |
| 15:58.09 | berarma | roonian: follow full instructions in the page |
| 15:58.16 | _KaszpiR_ | it should be provided with mysql packages |
| 15:58.26 | lamah | which is block this |
| 15:58.36 | berarma | roonian: I don't use this repository myself but it's maintaned by the debian mozilla team |
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| 15:58.58 | resixian | roonian: which mysql_upgrade |
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| 15:59.09 | resixian | er, rockingwing ^^ |
| 15:59.13 | roonian | berarma: so what repo do you use instead? |
| 15:59.17 | rockingwing | http://pastebin.com/w011hnCM |
| 15:59.24 | rockingwing | there it says me to start that script |
| 15:59.28 | berarma | roonian: I use sid/experimental |
| 15:59.29 | rockingwing | when i enter mysql_upgrade |
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| 15:59.46 | rockingwing | it say command not found (translated from german) |
| 15:59.47 | roonian | berarma: well, but i have to use the mozilla one, i fear |
| 16:00.23 | webad_13 | could anyone recommend good video card testing/stressing/error checking/ software? I have nvidia onboard |
| 16:00.26 | berarma | roonian: that's the best option for wheezy and older releases |
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| 16:03.08 | resixian | rockingwing: what version of mysql-server do you have? |
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| 16:04.17 | rockingwing | wait a sec |
| 16:04.42 | rockingwing | mysqld Ver 5.1.49-3 for debian-linux-gnu on x86_64 ((Debian)) |
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| 16:05.08 | lamah | how can i recheck the DNS names /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:05.29 | rockingwing | i've read sth about a bug in mysql 5.1 |
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| 16:07.56 | rockingwing | resixian: did that help u? |
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| 16:11.04 | tharkun | Is LibreOffice stable enough for a production environment? |
| 16:11.07 | krakrjak | fullstop: it looks like you have to recreate the file system to get what you want. Are you already out of inodes? |
| 16:11.38 | roonian | berarma: seems to work now, thx |
| 16:12.04 | berarma | roonian: np |
| 16:12.11 | roonian | berarma: but still i'm not sure wether it' s good decision to use 5.0 instead of 3.xxx at all |
| 16:12.36 | roonian | ;) |
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| 16:15.00 | spow | Hi, i've read about runlevels to set my own startup script, but it doesn't cope with my needs since all the peripherals need be recognized first. I thought of a cron job but it's not pretty elegant. What could I use ? |
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| 16:15.52 | fullstop | krakrjak: no, this is a brand new filesystem |
| 16:15.58 | krakrjak | fullstop: the option you want is -i for mkfs.ext4. If you are running out of inodes setting this value to 4096 or 8192 will yield better results. This cannot be done with an existing ext4 file system. |
| 16:16.44 | Chance | hi i have a debian machine and two with two nic cards in it but ifconfig -a displays only eth0 not eth1 same if i grep on dmesg doesnt show the second card it's like it's not installed at all or something |
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| 16:16.49 | krakrjak | fullstop: so mkfs.ext4 -i 8192 /dev/myblockdev will give you a LARGE number of inodes on a 4TB volume. |
| 16:17.16 | krakrjak | fullstop: after creation you can double check with df -i |
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| 16:18.11 | twobitsprite | Chance: same nic chipsets? |
| 16:18.26 | wols_ | Chance: what NICs? and what does lspci say about them? |
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| 16:19.55 | GRMrGecko | How well does Debian do with a Rosewill network car? RC-400-LX |
| 16:20.08 | Chance | the machine is a HP Compaq dc 7600 with a motherboard nic integrated which is recognized in linux and yesterday baught a new card and added that one in also which is not displayed RTL 8139D |
| 16:20.13 | GRMrGecko | If I cannot figure out what is wrong with the current one, I may buy that one. |
| 16:21.12 | rozie | Chance: is firmware-realtek installed? |
| 16:21.21 | Chance | in modconf ? |
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| 16:21.41 | rozie | apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 16:22.21 | Chance | i have to reconnect in a sec from the machine gimme a sec |
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| 16:25.11 | FybonaX | Hello all |
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| 16:29.05 | tharkun | Gentlemen, Who will take care of the libreoffice security patches for the squeeze backport? |
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| 16:33.25 | tharkun | Odd behaviour but holding its ground |
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| 16:41.18 | kaluva | Hi there. I want to do backups to an encrypted, optionally compressed, file. For ease of use and restoring, I'd like the file to actually contain a filesystem. Can you recommend any of the numerous backup systems in debian? |
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| 16:46.37 | karlpinc_ | kaluva: I don't believe in that approach, because it's too storage intensive. I prefer to do rsync backups with hard links. Compression is virtually infinite on files that don't change, given enough backups. |
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| 16:47.34 | karlpinc_ | kaluva: There's also little flexibility in restore when you're backing up whole images. |
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| 16:49.18 | kaluva | karlpinc_: I agree. That's why I asked for a filesystem, so I can have the hard links and the selective restore. The main point is, the filesystem *must* live inside a file and be encrypted somehow. I was wondering if there was an elegant solution for this out there. |
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| 16:50.45 | karlpinc_ | kaluva: It's easy enough to mount a filesystem image read/write. I'm not up on the encryption choices though. Probably the same way you'd encrypt any file system. |
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| 16:51.34 | adv_ | why chromium-browser won't accept sessionbuddy to install? |
| 16:51.50 | kaluva | karlpinc_: Yeah, there's always that approach. But I'Ve never done that either |
| 16:52.58 | lamah | how can I delete all my interfaces/wlan connections and setup my wireless network correctly again becouse i got www.com.org not found on some sites may DNS are broken ? |
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| 16:53.45 | wols_ | lamah: what dns server do you use? |
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| 16:54.04 | wols_ | and which domains can't be resolved? |
| 16:54.28 | sacredchao | My sshd on my Debian server closes idle connection in less than 5min, even with TCPKeepAlive set to yes in sshd_config |
| 16:54.42 | lamah | wols: wan |
| 16:55.00 | lamah | wols: wlan |
| 16:55.00 | wols_ | lamah: answer my question.your answer did not |
| 16:55.08 | lamah | wols_: ? |
| 16:55.20 | wols_ | "wlan" is not a dns server |
| 16:55.29 | lamah | heh |
| 16:55.37 | lamah | wols_: wlan is a auto connectable with DHCP |
| 16:55.39 | kie27 | hiya all starting today, cd's/dvd's no longer mount when i put them in the drive. how do i tell if this is a hardware or a software problem. i am running wheezy, it is an asus bluray/dvd/cd drive that is about a year old. |
| 16:55.43 | karlpinc_ | sacredchao: Does this happen if you're idle from the console? |
| 16:55.47 | lamah | wols_: no manually dns in wlan for me |
| 16:56.02 | sacredchao | karlpinc_: Yes, it is when I am idle. |
| 16:56.04 | lamah | this is stupid... |
| 16:56.13 | karlpinc_ | sacredchao: Without using ssh? |
| 16:56.26 | kaluva | kie27: dmesg always is helpful |
| 16:56.28 | wols_ | lamah: which domain names aren't resolving? |
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| 16:56.35 | sacredchao | I dont want it to cut me off when I am idle... is it better to have my client send randomg TCP data to port 22 every couple minutes? |
| 16:56.37 | lamah | they are all auto |
| 16:56.41 | lamah | wols_: twiiter :) |
| 16:56.50 | sacredchao | karlpinc_: Hmm, it's a remote server but I can log into the console from Xen |
| 16:56.56 | karlpinc_ | sacredchao: How do you know it's an ssh problem? |
| 16:56.58 | wols_ | you don't want to answer, I cannot help you. goodbye |
| 16:57.00 | kaluva | kie27: Try mounting a CD, the look waht the kernel says with dmesg |
| 16:57.19 | sacredchao | karlpinc_: Because I ran "nc x.x.x.x 22" and it timed out also in under 5 min |
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| 16:57.30 | sacredchao | returned me back to my local prompt |
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| 16:58.40 | karlpinc_ | sacredchao: So. What if you're sitting in front of the console? If it times you out then then it's a login problem. (There's some sort of idle timeout that _can_ be set on all logins.) More likely it's some sort of firewall problem, but maybe not. |
| 16:58.50 | lamah | no man 1 |
| 16:58.55 | lamah | no rtfm |
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| 17:00.48 | kie27 | katuva: dmesg shows that the drive is recognised, http://pastebin.com/YzCAMHvS, opening and closing the drive with a cd, does not add anything to /var/log/messages/ |
| 17:01.40 | kaluva | kie27: Okay, so your drive is recognized. Do you get any more messages when you try to mount the CD? |
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| 17:03.43 | kie27 | kaluva: am running gnome, it was mounting cd's automatically before now. give me a minute to work out the right mount command... |
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| 17:04.17 | roonian | isn't Firefox 5.0 meant to come with WebGL support?! doesn't seem to be the case with my mine... |
| 17:04.30 | kaluva | kie27: So what you're saying now nothing is happening, whereas before a window would pop up showing the files? |
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| 17:04.40 | pipeline | roonian: firefox has a whitelist for graphics drivers. If your driver isn't on the list, there's an environment variable you can set to force it to try to work anyway. |
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| 17:04.57 | roonian | pipeline: link? |
| 17:04.58 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 17:05.07 | pipeline | roonian: you can use google as well as I can. |
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| 17:05.16 | roonian | pipeline: sorry ;) |
| 17:05.28 | kie27 | kaluva: before i would see a cd icon on the desktop and sometimes a window would pop up, plus it would be listed if i typed mount, but now nothing at all. |
| 17:05.30 | edwin_quijada | How can I control the qty using my wifi ? |
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| 17:06.06 | edwin_quijada | I need to do that my WRt54g just accept 10 users |
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| 17:08.41 | kaluva | kie27: SO you figured out that mount command? mount /dev/scd0 /some/empty/dir works most of the time |
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| 17:10.42 | kie27 | kaluva i typed $ mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom gave me some error messages http://pastebin.com/pPMSfjw1 |
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| 17:12.40 | kaluva | kie27: Hm. That *is* a data CD, not Audio or SVCD or DVD or something like that? |
| 17:12.53 | kaluva | kie27: Sorry, Video-DVD |
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| 17:15.13 | kie27 | kaluva: hmm, you figured it, ha the last one that i tried was a dvd-r, i am guessing the one before that might have been as well, it doesn't say. i just tried another one which was a cd. i guess my drive hates dvd-r. |
| 17:15.30 | ghoti | Is there a Nagios plugin that summarizes debsecan results? |
| 17:15.51 | ghoti | Or is debsecan even the best way to determine what packages need to be upgraded for security reasons? |
| 17:16.00 | kie27 | kaluva: thanks :) |
| 17:16.01 | kaluva | kie27: But if it's already been written to and finalized, any drive should accept it |
| 17:16.03 | blubberdiblub | kie27, DVDs are often "udf" filesystem instead of "iso9660". you might try that in your mount command instead |
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| 17:16.39 | kie27 | blubberdiblub thanks i will try that now... |
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| 17:19.55 | kie27 | blubberdiblub doesn't like that either... http://pastebin.com/uvwDFT5u |
| 17:20.33 | kie27 | kaluva: not sure why it doesn't work, other dvd's, vcd's and audio cd's were being recognised without any problem. |
| 17:21.04 | roonian | how do i show information about my graphics card (vendor, type, ...) ? |
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| 17:21.59 | roonian | lspci for the win! |
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| 17:25.56 | cyfyrifilefe | Hello, by error I removed the /etc/apache2/mods-available/status.load file. |
| 17:26.02 | cyfyrifilefe | How to get it back? |
| 17:26.42 | berarma | use your backups? :) |
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| 17:27.07 | stew | cyfyrifilefe: since it's a conffile, you can use confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 17:31.31 | kie27 | kaluva blubberdiblub thanks for your help! |
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| 17:33.04 | Tekk_ | how do I force a full reconfigure on a package that hasn't been installed yet |
| 17:33.05 | Tekk_ | ? |
| 17:33.13 | Tekk_ | including all the prompts |
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| 17:34.01 | abrotman | Tekk_: dpkf --configure pkgname |
| 17:34.07 | abrotman | uh dpkg |
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| 17:37.17 | tharkun | !fix abrotman |
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| 17:37.45 | abrotman | argh, me nuts |
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| 17:44.06 | lamah | how can i bring up the wlan0 interface in debian ? |
| 17:44.09 | lamah | dhclient wlan0 ? |
| 17:44.18 | lamah | or scirpt or what |
| 17:44.44 | zykotick9 | lamah, /etc/network/interfaces is the default network config file |
| 17:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | !tell lamah about wifi |
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| 17:45.00 | krakrjak | lamah: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 17:45.04 | wols_ | ifup wlan0 but there are seveal other ways, all depending how you set up everything |
| 17:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | !tell lamah about wlan howto |
| 17:45.46 | lamah | heh don't worry i just need to bring up the wan |
| 17:45.49 | lamah | i am done with the settings |
| 17:46.39 | stew | lamah: if its already configured in the interfaces file, then "ifup wlan0" |
| 17:46.40 | lamah | wols_: does ifup disconnects/connects the connections? i think made exactly that not the interface? with DHC |
| 17:46.57 | lamah | i mean for ifup down |
| 17:47.26 | stew | lamah: ifup doesn't disconntect. it just applies whatever settings you configured in interfaces. i don't know what you mean by "ifup down" |
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| 17:48.02 | lamah | ok... time for re-check |
| 17:48.10 | krakrjak | lamah: if your /etc/network/interfaces file is setup then ifup will bring the interface up and set an IP (DHCP if it's set). Then ifdown will disconnect and bring down the interface. |
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| 17:48.47 | GRMrGecko | Ok. So this is the kernel log that was before the startup of the machine and the reboot I did this morning. http://pastie.org/private/euzgdb0aelmzro16y7twq I do not see anything that says the ethernet went down. |
| 17:49.37 | MarKsaitis | Hi |
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| 17:50.29 | Tekk_ | I tried installing ryzom from the ubuntu ppas and the data failed on not having enough room. How do I reconfigure it to use a different place for the data so that I can actually install it? |
| 17:50.42 | krakrjak | GRMrGecko: only 4 lines? |
| 17:50.55 | GRMrGecko | krakrjak: Not much happens after reboots. |
| 17:50.57 | MarKsaitis | im installing the newest debian on my system now. I want full disk encryption. What is the best approach to it? I used to set up LUKS stuff on centos, dunno how its on debian |
| 17:51.14 | GRMrGecko | things happen during boots, but that is it |
| 17:51.23 | GRMrGecko | if you need that to scan through, I can get it |
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| 17:51.45 | krakrjak | GRMrGecko: I don't see it either. Anything in the daemon.log or messages file from say, dhclient? |
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| 17:52.23 | Justin | MarKsaitis: pretty sure created an encrypted disk is supported in the debian installer |
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| 17:52.47 | krakrjak | agrees with Justin |
| 17:53.04 | MarKsaitis | ok Justasic and krakrjak ;] will see |
| 17:53.37 | GRMrGecko | Oh look, there is stuff in daemon log |
| 17:53.40 | krakrjak | MarKsaitis: works great in the GNU/Linux squeeze installer |
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| 17:54.18 | krakrjak | showing link failures? |
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| 17:55.37 | MarKsaitis | krakrjak, I am installing thorough netinst mini CD which I downloaded 1 minute ago |
| 17:55.46 | GRMrGecko | krakrjak: I'll put them on paste bin once I've got it together. |
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| 17:57.41 | GRMrGecko | guessing I can just remove all unable to resolve root servers for domain names. |
| 17:57.45 | carnedepassaro | I've a server with a interface bond0 configurated and the service cups running on it, but when I send a test page from the cups web administration page, I'get the error broken pipe |
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| 17:58.07 | carnedepassaro | the same printer is online and working at another cups server |
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| 17:58.39 | carnedepassaro | Do I have to do some special configuration on cups service ? |
| 17:58.49 | carnedepassaro | for the bond0 interface? |
| 18:00.12 | GRMrGecko | krakrjak: http://pastie.org/2249625 |
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| 18:00.42 | astartoth | hi all, is there a way to change gdm3 color? |
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| 18:01.29 | astartoth | the default is that green-ish - visible when you don't have a background set, e.g, spacefun |
| 18:02.13 | GRMrGecko | Looks like the dchp expires and it tries to reactivate it |
| 18:02.16 | GRMrGecko | and fails |
| 18:02.27 | GRMrGecko | because it failed, it thinks the address it has is invalid |
| 18:02.30 | GRMrGecko | and dropps it |
| 18:02.35 | GRMrGecko | sounds right? |
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| 18:04.13 | krakrjak | GrMrGecko: yeah that's what it looks like. |
| 18:04.39 | GRMrGecko | krakrjak: How can I fix this? Tell network manager to be static? |
| 18:04.52 | krakrjak | GrMrGecko: you are getting a DHCPNAK so your client no longer has a valid lease and removes the IP from the interface. |
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| 18:06.37 | krakrjak | GrMrGecko: if you want static interfaces then edit the /etc/network/interfaces file for eth0 and set a static address |
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| 18:07.02 | GRMrGecko | krakrjak: I was asking if that'll fix the issue it's having. |
| 18:07.17 | krakrjak | GrMrGecko: then edit the /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf file to have plugins=ifupdown and managed=true |
| 18:07.41 | GRMrGecko | I read that on the web already. |
| 18:07.44 | krakrjak | GrMrGecko: That will bypass the expiring lease issue by using a static IP. |
| 18:07.48 | boltneck | i'm trying to get WebGL running with firefox on my Debian system, but when i install libosmesa6, i just can't find where it is located after installation (not in /usr/lib/ where it, well, _should_ be) - is somebody familiar with that? |
| 18:08.05 | krakrjak | GRMrGecko: to fix the issue you have to fix the DHCP server to allow leases to be renewed. |
| 18:08.44 | GRMrGecko | I will look into that, I use a netgear router incase you know any problems with it off the top of your head. |
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| 18:09.54 | RichiH | is somewhat confused |
| 18:10.00 | RichiH | is debian sid using pulse or alsa? |
| 18:10.01 | krakrjak | GRMrGecko: no known issues with netgear DHCP servers. I've actually not seen a DHCP server refuse to give new leases so I'm not sure why it's doing it. |
| 18:10.12 | RichiH | i don't have pulseaudio installed and there is no pulse group |
| 18:10.13 | boltneck | no webgl possible with Debian and FF ? |
| 18:10.19 | RichiH | yet, a pulse process is runing for root |
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| 18:11.31 | Justin | RichiH: pulsaudio runs on top of alsa |
| 18:11.48 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. I get a broken package notice when trying to install sendmail on lenny and squeeze. What gives? |
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| 18:11.58 | RichiH | Justin: are you _sure_? |
| 18:12.12 | stew | RichiH: myabe: "grep pulse /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst" to see what created it? |
| 18:12.22 | Justin | RichiH: alsa is a sound driver. pulsaudio is a sound server/mixer/etc |
| 18:12.24 | stew | TheRedOctober: show us using a pastebin |
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| 18:12.53 | boltneck | no help for me? |
| 18:13.27 | wols_ | boltneck: dpkg -L libosmesa6 and you see where it's installed |
| 18:13.30 | RichiH | stew: grepping |
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| 18:13.34 | RichiH | Justin: ah, k |
| 18:13.42 | wols_ | boltneck: as for webgl,what verison of ffox has webgl? |
| 18:13.53 | RichiH | idly wonders why the fuck sound can not simply _work_ in 2011 |
| 18:14.00 | wols_ | RichiH: too easy |
| 18:14.08 | RichiH | stew: returns emptry |
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| 18:14.12 | RichiH | empty, too |
| 18:14.16 | RichiH | wols_: prolly |
| 18:14.23 | GRMrGecko | krakrjak: Could going through 2 switches cause that issue? Because that is what I am doing. |
| 18:14.30 | stew | RichiH: because you replaced your macos with linux |
| 18:14.31 | TheRedOctober | stew: re: sendmail dependency problem http://pastebin.com/PFfzbJUH |
| 18:15.02 | krakrjak | GRMrGecko: it shouldn't change anything unless both are trying to be DHCP servers. |
| 18:15.04 | stew | TheRedOctober: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy sendmail sendmail-bin" |
| 18:15.09 | boltneck | wols_: ff 4.0 + ff 5.0 (which i'm running atm) |
| 18:15.22 | GRMrGecko | They are just regular switches. They aren't routers. |
| 18:15.34 | stew | RichiH: if that grep came up empty, the package which installed the pulse group must have been removed. for me i get the pulseaudio package |
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| 18:16.51 | TheRedOctober | stew: http://pastebin.com/bAtqn9Uu |
| 18:17.00 | stew | GRMrGecko: no, its not a connectivity issue. its not as if the conversation goes "you there? hey can I keep this adress" -> ".... no answer". it goes "hey can I keep this address" -> "yes, i'm here, no, you may not" |
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| 18:17.14 | stew | GRMrGecko: (that's what the NAK means) |
| 18:17.30 | Kromgol | Never tamper with LVM! Especially by adding an external HDD to your logical volume, and then trying to remove it lol |
| 18:17.37 | Kromgol | Had to wipe clean the whole LV |
| 18:17.43 | GRMrGecko | ok |
| 18:18.09 | stew | TheRedOctober: i'd try installing sendmail-bin and see why it won't install, or I'd try running aptitude insstead of apt-get, which is willing to work a little harder in these sitations |
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| 18:20.07 | TheRedOctober | stew: sendmail is conflicting with exim4 for whatever reason. i got it going, thx for the help. |
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| 18:20.41 | Markus[uOS] | there seems to be a problem with the Debian archive |
| 18:20.46 | stew | TheRedOctober: yes, of course they conflict. you can only have one mail-transport-agent pacakge installed at a time |
| 18:20.50 | Markus[uOS] | pool/main/p/python-apt/python-apt_0.7.100.2_i386.deb |
| 18:20.58 | ironm | hello :) - does anybody run debian squeeze or wheezy with xen 4.0 or 4.1 on HP DL380 g7 server? |
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| 18:21.24 | Markus[uOS] | someone else noticed that apt wants now http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-apt/python-apt-common_0.7.100.1_all.deb instead |
| 18:21.43 | stew | Markus[uOS]: what do you mean by "apt wants now" |
| 18:21.58 | Markus[uOS] | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-apt/python-apt-common_0.7.100.1_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.226 80] |
| 18:22.05 | Markus[uOS] | pbuilder |
| 18:22.18 | stew | Markus[uOS]: yes, that package is gone. update your pbuilder chroot |
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| 18:22.45 | blubberdiblub | !tell ironm about anyone |
| 18:22.49 | stew | Markus[uOS]: it was replaced by 0.7.100.1+squeeze1 in april |
| 18:22.55 | Markus[uOS] | yes |
| 18:23.00 | Markus[uOS] | ok ty |
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| 18:23.09 | Markus[uOS] | pbuilder update ? |
| 18:23.12 | Markus[uOS] | correct |
| 18:23.26 | stew | --update |
| 18:23.40 | ironm | blubberdiblub, what is the point? .. it was a real question |
| 18:23.59 | stew | ironm: yes |
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| 18:24.08 | Markus[uOS] | ive thought pbuilder updates autmatic |
| 18:24.10 | jeybop | hi |
| 18:24.16 | stew | Markus[uOS]: nope |
| 18:24.28 | Markus[uOS] | sry for buggin you |
| 18:24.34 | stew | Markus[uOS]: np :) |
| 18:24.58 | jeybop | I intend to install 2 debian distribution (each one with its own / ) on the same machine |
| 18:25.10 | jeybop | I wonder what is the more clean |
| 18:25.35 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: What do you mean by two distributions? |
| 18:25.41 | jeybop | do they use the same /boot on another partition? |
| 18:25.51 | ironm | stew, thank you - can you run HVMs (if the VTd setting in BIOS allows you to make full HVM virtualisation with PCI device passing throug) ? |
| 18:26.00 | stew | ironm: no idea. i've never used xen |
| 18:26.02 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, I mean one testing, and one old-stable |
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| 18:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: I would just use one partition for each release. They can share one swap. No need to sub-partition further. You will need seperate /home for each, I'd just put it in /. |
| 18:27.12 | stew | ironm: i'd be suprised if there was such a limitation though |
| 18:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: Er, oops. |
| 18:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: THat's actually an excellent way to run testing. |
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| 18:28.20 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, I though create another partition for /boot, and use it on both distrib. |
| 18:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: It also allows you to easily back up the testing system from stable before each upgrade. |
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| 18:28.48 | senzo | SENZO IS HERE |
| 18:28.48 | ironm | stew, I tried to run xen 4.0 or 4.1 (squeeze or wheezy) with HVM on HP DL385g7 servers but as the BIOS doesn't support IOMMU I am not able to use HVM with PCI device passing through |
| 18:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: I think that would be confusing. Just make it part of /. |
| 18:28.59 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, how can I choose on which /boot points the MBR? |
| 18:29.13 | ironm | stew, So I am thinking about buying just HP DL380g7 |
| 18:29.37 | senzo | SENZO IS CLEVER ALLOW SENZO TO JOIN |
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| 18:29.57 | stew | senzo: please turn off your caps lock. if you have a debian related question, please feel free to ask one |
| 18:30.11 | stew | senzo: but please keep your messages related to debian |
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| 18:30.45 | senzo | educate senzo on dabian |
| 18:30.53 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: Grub menu. |
| 18:31.07 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: Just like dual-booting from windows. |
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| 18:31.24 | RichiH | stew: i am dist-upgrading atm and will (re)install audio stuff,then |
| 18:31.42 | Kharec | lo |
| 18:31.42 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, hm ok |
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| 18:32.08 | senzo | senzo would like to know |
| 18:32.22 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, last but not least: kexec should be able able to restart two separate distrib no? |
| 18:32.23 | GRMrGecko | thanks stew, krakrjak for helping. I will see if the problem persists tomorrow. |
| 18:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: You'll probably need to manage it from wheezy, but if you run update-grub it will detect both partitions. |
| 18:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: I have had multiple distributions on one disk, and I've had testing on a stable laptop. |
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| 18:33.28 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, I forgot that grub is clever than me :) |
| 18:33.39 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: It's great when something major breaks like xorg for intell and you can just keep updating in the chroot until it's fixed. |
| 18:33.53 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: You don't even have to boot to testing to update it. |
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| 18:34.22 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: It also makes it easy to compare something broken in testing with what stable does differently. |
| 18:35.20 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, ah?! >> You don't even have to boot to testing to update it. It's HS, but I'm interesting: are you doing that with apt or dpkg? |
| 18:35.25 | Markus[uOS] | damn, i think my build system is broken, what a mess |
| 18:35.50 | senzo | u give senzo good chat room yes |
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| 18:37.25 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: I usually use aptitude. Mount /sys, /proc, and /dev, chroot, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. |
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| 18:37.57 | ironm | stew, can you see such line (s. below) in the output of "xm dmesg" on your debian xen DL380g7 server? |
| 18:38.09 | ironm | (XEN) I/O virtualisation disabled |
| 18:38.15 | stew | ironm: i don't have xen installed anywhere. I've never used xen |
| 18:38.24 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, I must remember that for later! :) |
| 18:38.27 | stew | ironm: nor do I have any hp servers |
| 18:38.35 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, thanks for all |
| 18:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: Good luck! |
| 18:38.46 | stew | oh, i suppose i have a dl380 g3 somewhere |
| 18:38.57 | ironm | stew, sorry . I must misunderstand you before |
| 18:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | jeybop: BTW: install stable to partition 1, install stable to partition2, update stable2 to testing. |
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| 18:40.38 | jeybop | jhutchins_lt, ok ok. you don't see any problem with old-stable? |
| 18:40.43 | stew | ironm: you might ask #debian-xen on irc.debian.org |
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| 18:41.39 | ironm | stew, thank you for the hint. I asked there already no one answers (there is very quiet on xen IRC channels) |
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| 18:43.43 | hlieberman | The New Maintainers guide points me to #debian-mentors for support, but that channel is +i (invite only). Any ideas where else to turn, or should I just pop an email to the mailing list? |
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| 18:44.23 | Odaym | anyone having the problem of their dropbox folder not displaying its appropriate emblems, and thereby not providing the "Dropbox" menu on right-clicking on files/directories inside the Dropbox folder? |
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| 18:45.40 | stew | hlieberman: its on irc.debian.org, not this network |
| 18:45.55 | hlieberman | stew: Well, that's embarrassing. |
| 18:45.57 | hlieberman | Thanks, stew. |
| 18:46.21 | stew | hlieberman: no worries, it happens commonly :) |
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| 18:46.56 | blubberdiblub | Odaym, i have those symptoms as well, but it's not a problem for me. (i don't need the context menu functionality) if this functionality is actually included in the package, maybe it's nautilus-only? |
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| 18:47.24 | Odaym | you visit the website everytime you want to grab something off of folder? |
| 18:47.29 | student | hey i have a question how can i connect to an irc proxy? |
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| 18:47.51 | blubberdiblub | Odaym, no, the normal dropbox functionality (syncing) works as expected |
| 18:48.14 | Odaym | of course, but I mean you don't go into the folder > right click on a file > Copy public link? |
| 18:48.42 | Odaym | this is what is missing when the emblems don't show up because of something with the nautilus integration |
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| 18:48.47 | Odaym | restarting X used to solve it |
| 18:48.48 | blubberdiblub | Odaym, that's right. i don't do that. if i need to do that (i need that rarely), i actually go to the website, like you mentioned |
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| 18:49.07 | Odaym | it's VERY handy to be able to do that you know, you'd change your behavior with it if you had that available |
| 18:49.20 | Odaym | let me just search some more and find the cause of this |
| 18:49.21 | student | hey i have a question how can i connect to an irc proxy? |
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| 18:49.31 | Odaym | how long have you been having this problem, blubberdiblub? |
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| 18:49.42 | Odaym | so as to be certain that we're not just a reboot away from fixing it |
| 18:49.52 | jeward_ | Say, I've got a lenny box and no matter what kernel I install, it keeps booting into: 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 16:28:13 UTC 2009 |
| 18:50.02 | jeward_ | How do I shake that lose? |
| 18:50.07 | Justin | jeward_: pastebin the output of update-grub |
| 18:50.28 | blubberdiblub | Odaym, always. it never worked for me. i'm using xfce here with thunar as file manager, and it just wouldn't work with thunar, even if the functionality were there |
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| 18:50.38 | Odaym | ok |
| 18:51.04 | jeward_ | Justin: http://pastebin.com/Qn0UtC3q |
| 18:51.04 | blubberdiblub | blubberdiblub, s/and it just wouldn't/and i guess it just wouldn't/ |
| 18:51.10 | blubberdiblub | Odaym, s/and it just wouldn't/and i guess it just wouldn't/ |
| 18:51.27 | jeward_ | Justin, maybe that's all it needed? |
| 18:51.43 | jeward_ | Justin, But aptitude usually takes care of that, no? |
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| 18:52.04 | Justin | jeward_: maybe, did someone manually edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 18:52.16 | Justin | jeward_: added something before the BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST part? |
| 18:52.20 | jeward_ | Justin, hard to say. |
| 18:52.36 | jeward_ | Justin: Rebooting to see if that fixed it. |
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| 18:52.45 | Justin | jeward_: don't reboot |
| 18:53.00 | jeward_ | Justin: Too late, it'll be right baack. |
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| 18:53.09 | Justin | jeward_: you could have just read the grub config |
| 18:53.22 | jeward_ | Justin: Sorry, one sec. |
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| 18:54.04 | jeward_ | Justin: That fixed it! |
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| 18:54.26 | jeward_ | Justin: Any idea why it was stuck? |
| 18:54.41 | Justin | jeward_: no |
| 18:54.47 | jeward_ | Justin: Thanks! |
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| 18:55.59 | jeward_ | Justin: Xeon processors should run the amd64 kernel no problem, right? |
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| 18:56.24 | Justin | jeward_: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:56.35 | lamah | i have configured wlan interface but i got on ifup DHSCLOOKING, WAITING BROADCASTING WITH 255.255.... and to the end sleeping forever and internet is not bringed up ? |
| 18:56.47 | stew | jeward_: not necessarily, there were xeon processors long before 64 bit |
| 18:57.07 | jeward_ | Yeah, it seems hung booting. |
| 18:57.16 | jeward_ | I'll try the 686 kernel. |
| 18:57.25 | fullstop | xeon processors long before x86_64 that is |
| 18:58.30 | Justin | lamah: ifconfig output is irrelevant for a wireless device that is not associated. you want to be looking at iwconfig output |
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| 19:00.14 | lamah | Justasic: ifup wlan0 ? |
| 19:00.25 | lamah | Justasic: i just up the interface... |
| 19:00.41 | lamah | ifup is bring up the manual wrote 'interface' in the prompt |
| 19:00.48 | Justin | lamah: iwconfig |
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| 19:01.17 | lamah | no ifup interface up means |
| 19:01.23 | lamah | that ups the interace who is wroted |
| 19:01.26 | lamah | e.g. wlan1 |
| 19:01.44 | lamah | iwconfig is alternative of ifconfig for wireless |
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| 19:02.05 | Justin | no |
| 19:02.29 | th0r | lamah: not quite....both iwconfig and ifconfig are needed for wireless |
| 19:02.30 | ProGenY | hi everyone .. a quick dumb question ... just installed apache2 and php5 but when i point to the website the page does not open but gets downloaded any sugestions |
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| 19:02.42 | Chance | hi |
| 19:02.44 | Justin | ProGenY: what packages did you install? |
| 19:02.45 | lamah | th0r: i mean alternative |
| 19:02.49 | jeward_ | Justin and stew, it's booting on the 686 kernel, thanks! |
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| 19:03.07 | th0r | lamah, no. alternative implies one or the other....you need both |
| 19:03.07 | konradb | hi, have somebody ati radeon hd5770 ? |
| 19:03.08 | Dev0n | hey what's the message for the dpkg bot to view debian minmal desktop installs ? |
| 19:03.08 | stew | jeward_: as he said, the lm flag tells you for sure if this is the problem |
| 19:03.11 | lamah | Justin: what do you mean about iwconfig ? |
| 19:03.16 | Chance | i have an issue with my debian linux machine have two nics on it and only one is visible with ifconfig command |
| 19:03.23 | Justin | lamah: you need to look at iwconfig output, not ifconfig output |
| 19:03.30 | Justin | Chance: ifconfig -a ? |
| 19:03.37 | Chance | same thing |
| 19:03.46 | jeward_ | stew: If there is no lm in /proc/cpuinfo, no am64? |
| 19:03.48 | konradb | have somebody ati radeon hd5770? |
| 19:03.56 | stew | jeward_: yes |
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| 19:04.00 | Chance | shows eth0 only even though i just installed today a new nick in also the eth0 one is an integrated one |
| 19:04.08 | Justin | Chance: lspci? |
| 19:04.31 | lamah | th0r: i mean not for what i need i mean configuration utility iwconfig is for wireless i mean 'utility' of course if i need wifi i need both of options.. |
| 19:04.42 | ProGenY | Justin: http://pastebin.com/W8Ae9sD1 |
| 19:05.07 | Chance | Justin it's strange that the command shows me there at bottom twho cards (two ethernet controllers) |
| 19:05.14 | Justin | ProGenY: did you enable the php module with a2enmod? |
| 19:05.36 | ProGenY | no how do i do that |
| 19:05.48 | Chance | Justin: a realtec semiconductor Co. and a broadcom corporation netextreme |
| 19:05.54 | jeward_ | stew or Justin: I hate to be a pain, but upon removing the amd64 kernel and doing update-grub, it still shows the amd64 kernel. |
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| 19:06.35 | lamah | but why i got leeping forever i can't bring up the net |
| 19:06.40 | Justin | jeward_: sure it is removed? |
| 19:06.55 | jeward_ | Justin: Aptitude thinks it was? |
| 19:07.00 | Chance | any ideea ? |
| 19:07.15 | Justin | Chance: dmesg ? |
| 19:07.17 | jeward_ | Justin: It's still in /boot though. |
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| 19:08.20 | jeward_ | Justin: Shows it still installed though: i A linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 - Linux 2.6.26 image on AMD64 |
| 19:08.31 | jeward_ | Justin: How do I convince aptitude to remove it? |
| 19:08.45 | Justin | jeward_: aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 ? |
| 19:08.51 | jeward_ | Justin: K. |
| 19:09.40 | jeward_ | Justin: All better, thanks! |
| 19:09.46 | Baltazaar | I just installed LinuxMint Debian Edition... Actually quite nice for desktop use. Based on testing. |
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| 19:10.40 | Justin | !+based on debian |
| 19:10.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 19:10.58 | lamah | does i need 'iw' package for net bring up ? |
| 19:11.07 | Justin | lamah: no |
| 19:11.31 | lamah | k ;) |
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| 19:11.36 | Dev0n | Justin, do you know the command for the minimial desktop install list? |
| 19:11.40 | Dev0n | from dpkg that is |
| 19:11.52 | Baltazaar | dpkg: just wanted to mention it. I've been using Debian since release of "Potato", so I have helped some already |
| 19:11.52 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Baltazaar |
| 19:11.55 | Chance | Justin what about dmesg ? |
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| 19:11.59 | stew | Dev0n: what do you mean by "minimal desktop"? |
| 19:12.08 | Chat3917 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.23 | Dev0n | erm, I want to install a desktop that doesn't have all the crap stew ? |
| 19:12.28 | Chat3917 | ÙÙا |
| 19:12.30 | Dev0n | something minimal that will use the least memory |
| 19:12.35 | stew | Dev0n: which crap? |
| 19:13.00 | Dev0n | all the openoffice stuff, which I think installing gnome-core won't include, but I was wondering if there was anything smaller than gnome |
| 19:13.04 | Chat3917 | ÙÙÙ |
| 19:13.05 | Dev0n | something with a smaller mem usage =x |
| 19:13.12 | cali | Chat3917, not sure you're in the right channel |
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| 19:13.23 | Chance | Justin dmesg | grep eth only shows the eth0 nothing else |
| 19:14.03 | Baltazaar | dpkg: what did you mean with unparseable request? |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | Baltazaar: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:14.25 | Dev0n | stew? |
| 19:14.29 | stew | Baltazaar: dpkg is a bot |
| 19:14.38 | Baltazaar | oh :-) |
| 19:14.52 | Chance | anyone ? |
| 19:14.56 | Baltazaar | I'm new ti IRC |
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| 19:15.20 | stew | Dev0n: lxde is supposed to be lighter. but I've no idea if it *actaully* uses less memory or installs openoffice.org |
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| 19:15.27 | stew | Dev0n: do you definately want a DE and not just a WM? |
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| 19:15.58 | joe6 | Dev0n: xmonad |
| 19:15.59 | EmleyMoor | dpkg is very useful but can sometimes react oddly |
| 19:15.59 | dpkg | EmleyMoor: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 19:16.35 | Chance | Anyone can help me with my problem ? how can i make my second NIC card work ? |
| 19:16.41 | Dev0n | stew, well not sure, I just want what a desktop version of debian has but minimal :( |
| 19:16.51 | Dev0n | joe6, how is that compared to lxde? |
| 19:17.03 | Dev0n | I know fluxbox is one but not sure how good that is either |
| 19:17.03 | EmleyMoor | Chance: Do you know what kind it is exactly? |
| 19:17.10 | stew | Dev0n: lxde is a desktop environment, xmonad is just a window manager |
| 19:17.27 | Dev0n | I will need both I guess |
| 19:17.38 | stew | i dunno, that's what I'm asking |
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| 19:17.45 | Chance | the card i just added today is a RTL8139D |
| 19:17.56 | stew | if you need both, lxde-core might be a place to start |
| 19:18.18 | Chance | but is not displayed on the ifconfig -a it's like the drivers are not installed or something |
| 19:18.20 | Dev0n | hum, just wondering, why would you have a DE without WM ? |
| 19:18.23 | Dev0n | and vice versa |
| 19:18.29 | EmleyMoor | Chance: Right - that should be supported - does lsmod show any 8139 modules? |
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| 19:18.40 | stew | Dev0n: you always have a WM. you might not want the rest of the stuff that comes with a DE |
| 19:19.00 | stew | Dev0n: like application menus and a desktop with file icons you can drag around and fancy toolbars and such |
| 19:19.09 | Dev0n | say I wanted to use firefox |
| 19:19.13 | Dev0n | I would need a WM right? |
| 19:19.15 | Dev0n | err |
| 19:19.16 | Dev0n | DE even |
| 19:19.18 | edwin_quijada | there is a way to limit my wifi users ? |
| 19:19.20 | stew | Dev0n: no |
| 19:19.31 | Chance | yes lsmod | grep 8139 shows something like8139too and cp |
| 19:19.41 | Dev0n | oh |
| 19:19.53 | edwin_quijada | I mean I want just 10 users for my wifi router, Cant I ? |
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| 19:20.21 | n-iCe | is there a way to show a video in the terminal? |
| 19:20.42 | EmleyMoor | Chance: Is the other NIC also an 8139? |
| 19:20.43 | Dev0n | ahh stew, so as a WM, is xmonad good? |
| 19:20.51 | Dev0n | or anything that will use even a smaller footprint |
| 19:21.26 | Chance | i dont know that cause its integrated on the motherboard the pc is a HP Compaq DC7600 |
| 19:21.38 | stew | Dev0n: i don't think any window manager has a large enough computational footprint to worry about these days. there are LOTS of window managers with VERY different feels to them. you should try a bunch and see where you feel comfortable |
| 19:21.48 | Chance | can check on the dmesg and tell what eth0 is |
| 19:21.53 | Dev0n | cool, thx stew |
| 19:22.24 | stew | Dev0n: when people talk about a lightweight window manager, its more likely they realy mean "less in your face" or "minimilistic ui", but it doesn't necessarily translate to a larger computational footprint |
| 19:22.28 | EmleyMoor | dmesg | grep eth and send it to a pastebin |
| 19:22.41 | Dev0n | gotcha |
| 19:22.48 | stew | Dev0n: aptitude search '~Px-window-manager' |
| 19:22.59 | Chance | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.07 | Dev0n | woot |
| 19:23.10 | Dev0n | gonna try a few and see |
| 19:23.12 | Dev0n | :D |
| 19:23.14 | Chance | is there somehow i can send it to you over ? |
| 19:23.35 | zykotick9 | Chance, pastebinit perhaps? |
| 19:23.36 | EmleyMoor | Chance: Maybe you could install pastebinit - that could be used to do it for you |
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| 19:24.21 | Chance | ok installed pastebinit how i use it ? :) |
| 19:24.31 | EmleyMoor | man pastebinit :-) |
| 19:24.39 | acathur | Dev0n: might also be useful to /msg dpkg wm |
| 19:24.52 | Dev0n | ahh! |
| 19:24.53 | Chance | found yep :) |
| 19:24.54 | Dev0n | that was it |
| 19:25.03 | Dev0n | I was looking for that command heh XD |
| 19:25.04 | Chance | i'll grep to a file and pastebin it |
| 19:25.07 | Dev0n | used it before but forgot about it |
| 19:25.37 | EmleyMoor | Basically, dmesg | grep eth | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net -a Chance |
| 19:26.09 | EmleyMoor | Er - with -i - |
| 19:26.26 | lamah | n-iCe: i think mplayer plays video in tty |
| 19:26.32 | Chance | done |
| 19:26.44 | EmleyMoor | What's the URL? |
| 19:26.55 | Chance | EmleyMoor i will just give you the id ok ? cause i have to manually write it |
| 19:26.57 | zykotick9 | EmleyMoor, cool, I didn't know you could use paste.debian.net with pastebinit. Thanks. |
| 19:27.08 | EmleyMoor | OK |
| 19:27.22 | n-iCe | lamah: yeah got it, the thing is I want to watch my webcam in a ssh server is it possible? |
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| 19:27.40 | n-iCe | Anyone knows how can I watch a video streaming in a ssh server in a tty or terminal? |
| 19:28.10 | lamah | Justin: i got now DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 255.255.... and to the end DHCPOFFERS no working leases in persistent database sleeping |
| 19:28.20 | Chance | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.44 | zykotick9 | n-iCe, if you can watch the stream from mplayer just "-vo aa" |
| 19:28.51 | lamah | n-iCe: yes, it depens on which extension it records the tool |
| 19:29.02 | EmleyMoor | Chance: Onboard is a tg3 |
| 19:29.14 | Chance | i suppose so |
| 19:29.17 | EmleyMoor | No sign of eth1 at all... |
| 19:29.30 | lamah | ah webcam |
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| 19:29.47 | Chance | Emley lspci shows something |
| 19:29.50 | lamah | n-iCe: yes |
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| 19:29.58 | EmleyMoor | Chance: OK - what? |
| 19:30.07 | Chance | i will paste bin that also sec |
| 19:31.00 | Chance | Emley id: CieUe4nf |
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| 19:31.45 | Chance | the thing is that this machine has something like a card that you plug the nic in and that card is then plugged furher on into the motherboard |
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| 19:32.38 | Justin | lamah: did you run iwconfig yet? |
| 19:32.54 | EmleyMoor | Chance: lspci -nn ? |
| 19:33.50 | Chance | Emley RGeMyLX7 |
| 19:34.48 | Chance | the last two lines look very interesting to me |
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| 19:35.52 | EmleyMoor | 8139too should work for it, I think... |
| 19:36.09 | Chance | can something be wrong from BIOS ? |
| 19:36.45 | Chance | i saw something on bios about ethernet controllers listening on IRQ 10 and 11 |
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| 19:38.11 | Chance | any ideea Emley ? |
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| 19:41.56 | ProGenY | Justin: php5 is enabled but still the same problem |
| 19:42.04 | ProGenY | any other sugestion |
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| 19:45.27 | Justin | ProGenY: restart apache? |
| 19:46.11 | ProGenY | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.12 | ProGenY | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 19:46.14 | ProGenY | several times |
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| 19:49.34 | Ergo^ | hello, ive updated postgresql to 9.0 from backports, but i cant start it via init.d script (i can with postgres user manually), nothing gets printed when i use init.d script - how should i debug the issue ? |
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| 19:50.00 | Justin | Ergo^: sh -x /etc/init.d/... |
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| 19:50.09 | Ergo^ | http://paste2.org/p/1533716 - only this gets printed |
| 19:50.34 | Justin | Ergo^: sh -x /etc/init.d/... |
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| 19:51.24 | somiaj | Ergo^: parse the script and figure out what commands its running, most likely its just piping the output to /dev/null so the user doesn't see it. |
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| 19:51.36 | Ergo^ | Justin, http://paste2.org/p/1533718 |
| 19:51.59 | jhutchins | ,versions guitarix |
| 19:52.00 | judd | Package guitarix on i386 -- squeeze: 0.10.0-2; sid: 0.16.0-1; wheezy: 0.16.0-1 |
| 19:52.26 | Justin | Ergo^: /etc/postgresql/9.0/main/start.conf |
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| 19:53.17 | Chance | I definatly need help with this issue, someone please help me |
| 19:53.25 | Justin | defnitely |
| 19:53.29 | Justin | definitely too |
| 19:53.38 | Ergo^ | Justin, http://paste2.org/p/1533720 |
| 19:53.47 | Justin | Ergo^: read that |
| 19:53.50 | Chance | My second NIC is not getting displayed in ifconfig -a even though it appears on all the lspci things and so on |
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| 19:54.28 | Chance | even nictools-pci shows it present |
| 19:54.48 | Odaym | exit |
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| 19:55.22 | Ergo^ | Justin, thanks got it working when i changed it to auto |
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| 19:55.39 | Chance | now a dummy0 appears on ifconfig -a |
| 19:57.15 | xoz | i want to have an hourly snapshot of several data in different computers from the same network stored to a raid hd. any suggestion what backup software to use? |
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| 20:00.57 | ihsw | can i monitor my cpu temperature with htop |
| 20:02.24 | Chance | can anyone help me ? my second NIC card is not getting displayed in ifconfig -a even though it is displayed into the lspci |
| 20:02.29 | Flash__ | xoz, backup-manager is good. backuppc is also good and operates differently |
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| 20:03.26 | Chance | is there any software like netconf or something that detects the NIC cards and install the eventual missing drivers |
| 20:03.28 | Chance | ? |
| 20:03.42 | llutz | xoz: rsnapshot(.hourly) |
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| 20:08.06 | jhutchins | Chance: What's the pciid? |
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| 20:09.31 | rafuch0 | is something wrong whit the apt lines ? aptitude update donsent responds |
| 20:09.45 | Chance | what do you mean hut ? |
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| 20:09.50 | Chance | jhut* |
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| 20:10.04 | Chance | i am relogging sec |
| 20:10.24 | jhutchins | Chance: Try tab completion... lspci -nn, post the eight digit id. |
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| 20:11.42 | Chance | ok i am back what do you mean by pciid ? |
| 20:12.31 | xoz | thanks Flash__ llutz |
| 20:12.56 | jhutchins_lt | Chance: lspci -nn, look for the NIC that's not loaded, post the eight digit ID. |
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| 20:15.08 | xoz | llutz: rsnapshot seems to be my choice... |
| 20:15.19 | Chance | jhut: http://pastebin.com/u6zkJuq4 |
| 20:16.07 | Chance | the card i added today is the RTL8139D |
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| 20:16.22 | Chance | the other one is on board |
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| 20:18.25 | jhutchins_lt2 | Chance: Sorry, wifi problems. Did you post the ID? |
| 20:18.33 | Chance | jhut: http://pastebin.com/u6zkJuq4 |
| 20:18.38 | Chance | the card i added today is the RTL8139D |
| 20:18.41 | Chance | the other one is on board |
| 20:19.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | ,pciid 14e4:1600 |
| 20:19.12 | judd | [14e4:1600] is 'NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1600 |
| 20:19.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals 8139 |
| 20:19.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8139' by value (10): rtl8139 ;; start a nic war ;; 8139 ;; 2.4.5 ;; rtl81x9.c ;; realtek ;; scyld #del# ;; dfe-530tx ;; fa311 ;; 8139c. |
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| 20:19.42 | jhutchins_lt2 | Chance: Doesn't look like it needs firmware... |
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| 20:20.29 | Chance | wait |
| 20:20.34 | Chance | the tg3 works |
| 20:20.42 | jhutchins_lt2 | !rtl8139 |
| 20:20.42 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL-8139 10/100 PCI NIC uses either the 8139too or 8139cp (RTL-8139C+ series) drivers for device support in Linux, *not* ne2k-pci. See also <rtl81x9.c>. |
| 20:20.42 | Chance | cause i can see it with dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 20:21.04 | jhutchins_lt2 | !rtl81x9.c |
| 20:21.05 | dpkg | rtl81x9.c is the OpenBSD Realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
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| 20:21.46 | pwork | Hello, I've a strange problem getting mysql running fine on ubuntu : if I run "sudo -u mysql mysqld" in a terminal, I can "mysql -u root" flawlessly in another. But when I run "sudo start mysql" instead of the mysqld command, I get no output at all and process ends. Nothing in /var/log/mysql/err.log, nothing in /var/log/syslog. I don't know why, but even with a purge and install, mysql doesn't start as a boot service. I expected getting |
| 20:21.47 | pwork | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.10 | pwork | I was forced to shift from a lenny to a natty a week ago : I cry |
| 20:22.26 | stew | pwork: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 20:22.28 | blubberdiblub | Chance, what does "lsmod | grep 8139" say? |
| 20:23.06 | pwork | stew: I try, but it s not really a ubuntu related issue I believe. Ubuntu is simpler, so I did not get any input |
| 20:23.23 | stew | pwork: its certainly not a debian related issue |
| 20:23.31 | stew | pwork: you could try #mysql |
| 20:23.43 | Chance | blubberd http://pastebin.com/0MFJLSC1 |
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| 20:24.13 | blubberdiblub | Chance, ah, try removing both modules and modprobing _only_ 8139too |
| 20:24.14 | pwork | stew: You're right, I did not realize upstart was an Ubuntu specific mechanism |
| 20:24.21 | pwork | Thanks |
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| 20:24.39 | stew | pwork: ubuntu is not ubuntu specific. but you are not running debian which is the only distro we support here |
| 20:24.41 | blubberdiblub | Chance, i.e. "modprobe -r 8139cp ; modprobe -r 8139too ; modprobe 8139too" |
| 20:24.42 | stew | err |
| 20:24.57 | stew | pwork: "upstart is not ubuntu specific" i meant to say |
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| 20:25.49 | dacu | how do you reset grub in squeeze - there is a command grub something reconfigure - or something like this |
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| 20:26.27 | streuner_ | dacu: why do you need to configure grub at all? |
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| 20:27.16 | Chance | blubberd i get chipset not responding |
| 20:27.49 | Chance | blubberd i get chip not responding ignoring board at modprob 8139too |
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| 20:27.57 | Chance | modprobe* |
| 20:28.02 | Chance | the -r commands worked |
| 20:28.03 | dacu | streuner_ I am kind of a masochist enjoying sel-torture :) Kidding - reinstalled squeeze in one of the computer and squeeze does not see windows - I did this before - just tell me the command if you know - Grub reset or something |
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| 20:28.35 | blubberdiblub | Chance, okay, then remove the 8139too again "modprobe -r 8139too" and try modprobing _only_ 8139cp |
| 20:28.50 | streuner_ | dacu: update-grub |
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| 20:30.14 | Chance | ok did and sais this id ...is not a 8139C+ compatible chip and to try the 8139too driver instead |
| 20:30.36 | dacu | streuner_ you like to torture people - do you ? - yes that what I needed update-grub and it works - THANKS :) |
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| 20:30.54 | streuner_ | np |
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| 20:31.29 | Chance | any clue ? |
| 20:31.35 | blubberdiblub | Chance, okay, it might be that using 8139too may only work again after a reboot. care to try? but before rebooting, you have to blacklist the 8139cp module. create a file /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist.conf and put the following line inside it: blacklist 8139cp |
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| 20:32.16 | pwork | Thanks for input stew, best of time for all :) |
| 20:32.23 | pwork | exit |
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| 20:33.12 | nvz | I have a zipfile of things I backed up a while ago using nautilus, and all but one directory in the zip is password protected... it will not extract saying unsupported compression method 99 on those files... idk if its cause of the password or if the zip is just corrupted |
| 20:33.18 | Chance | ok and have the modprobe on the 8139too before reboot or try only after reboot ? |
| 20:33.24 | nvz | does anyone know how to extract these files? |
| 20:33.43 | blubberdiblub | Chance, if all works now, the card should be recognized automatically during the reboot |
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| 20:34.01 | nvz | I can't remember but I may have done this on a squeeze machine, and this one runs lenny |
| 20:34.07 | blubberdiblub | Chance, i also had problems with the 8139cp module fiddling around and blacklisting solved it for me |
| 20:34.11 | Chance | ok so no need to modprobe the 8139too now yes ? |
| 20:34.40 | blubberdiblub | Chance, yes, if my theory is correct, blacklisting should suffice. can you try rebooting and report back afterwards if it worked? |
| 20:34.50 | Chance | ok rebooting |
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| 20:42.39 | MarKsaitis | what is that new normal user ip command to get system ip address? |
| 20:42.47 | Justin | MarKsaitis: ip ? |
| 20:42.54 | MarKsaitis | yeah |
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| 20:43.14 | Justin | or install moreutils and use ifdata |
| 20:43.15 | stew | MarKsaitis: the answer is "ip" or perhaps "ip addr list" |
| 20:43.35 | stew | i suppose just "ip a" works |
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| 20:43.43 | MarKsaitis | seems like ;] doesnt show much to me |
| 20:43.59 | Chance | blu didnt seem to work |
| 20:44.22 | MarKsaitis | im in debian gnome. where do I set my IP settings manually |
| 20:44.28 | nvz | ah, installing p7zip-full and using 7z did the trick! |
| 20:44.35 | blubberdiblub | Chance, oh :( |
| 20:44.41 | Chance | but the strange part now is that if i do lsmod | grep 8139 it shows me cp and too |
| 20:44.56 | Chance | saw something really strange at boot time and have it in a dmesg |
| 20:44.58 | nvz | I was getting to the point of disgust I was about to just delete that damn zipfile. heh |
| 20:45.01 | Chance | i'll pastebin it |
| 20:45.01 | blubberdiblub | Chance, still both of them? did the blacklist not work? |
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| 20:45.09 | Chance | seems like did not work |
| 20:45.25 | blubberdiblub | Chance, what debian version are you using? |
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| 20:46.09 | Chance | 5 |
| 20:46.09 | blubberdiblub | Chance, and you named the file .conf? that's important, otherwise it gets ignored |
| 20:46.19 | Chance | yes named it conf |
| 20:46.30 | Chance | but just looked in that folder and there is a file called blacklist |
| 20:46.46 | Chance | that contains a lot of things in and i will add this one in there also |
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| 20:49.12 | MarKsaitis | how do I change my IP settings manually? |
| 20:49.21 | Chance | ~blu check this while i reboot again: http://pastebin.com/MtcwAuf6 |
| 20:49.32 | Chance | brb |
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| 20:50.42 | MarKsaitis | nevermind ;] |
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| 20:51.56 | Chance | blu same thing sadly |
| 20:52.06 | Chance | did you checked that pastebin ? |
| 20:52.33 | Chance | there is a strange thing in it saying about 8139too fails using 3189cp instead |
| 20:52.47 | Chance | kinda strange even though i added it in the blacklist |
| 20:53.19 | blubberdiblub | Chance, you could also try putting 8139too into /etc/modules on a line of its own, so it gets loaded earlier than 8139cp. or maybe you misspelled it in the blacklist? |
| 20:53.53 | Chance | nono its 8139cp |
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| 20:54.14 | blubberdiblub | Chance, with a word of "blacklist" in front of it? |
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| 20:54.42 | Chance | yes |
| 20:55.08 | Chance | there is also another file there /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:55.15 | blubberdiblub | Chance, well, try putting only the word 8139too on a line of its own into /etc/modules - hopefully that will cause it to be loaded first |
| 20:55.23 | Chance | and i added it in there also blacklist 8139cp at end of file |
| 20:57.29 | Chance | ok added 8139too into /etc/modules and added 8139cp into /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 20:57.57 | jhutchins_lt2 | Chance: did you try modprobe 8139too? |
| 20:58.47 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt2, yeah, we were already through this. but i suspect that once 8139cp tried, the card is borked even for 8139too. that's a problem i had with that card |
| 20:58.50 | Chance | jhut yes and sayisChip not responding, ignoring board |
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| 20:59.40 | Chance | let me reboot see what happens now brb |
| 21:00.29 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt, i seem to have exactly the same nic chip as Chance. even the same revision |
| 21:00.40 | jhutchins_lt | blubberdiblub: He's got it blacklisted now so he should be able to manually load the correct module. |
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| 21:01.22 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_lt, the problem is that apparently the blacklisting did not work for him. if it worked, manually loading 8139too would not be required. it would work automatically |
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| 21:02.44 | Chance | ok same thing |
| 21:02.50 | Chance | dont know whats wrong |
| 21:03.03 | blubberdiblub | Chance, still 8139cp module loaded? |
| 21:03.08 | Chance | lsmod |grep 8139 still shows both cp and too |
| 21:03.17 | blubberdiblub | that's strange :( |
| 21:03.26 | jhutchins_lt | Fix the blacklist. |
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| 21:03.36 | jhutchins_lt | !blacklist |
| 21:03.36 | dpkg | In lenny and later, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 21:05.21 | blubberdiblub | yeah, good idea, thanks jhutchins_lt. Chance, try the part with "install 8139cp /bin/true" |
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| 21:07.27 | Chance | yes did that so basically: echo "install 8139cp /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklust.local.conf |
| 21:07.37 | Chance | i will reboot then |
| 21:07.40 | Chance | brb |
| 21:07.54 | blubberdiblub | Chance, yeah, you could have put that line manually in the file, too ;) but echo with redirection works too |
| 21:08.11 | Chance | but put what in it ? |
| 21:08.25 | Chance | install 8139cp /bin/true ? |
| 21:08.26 | blubberdiblub | Chance, nevermind. if the command worked, the line is now in the file |
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| 21:08.48 | Chance | cause thats what it is in the file now |
| 21:08.52 | blubberdiblub | Chance, yes. it should now already be in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf, after you run the command |
| 21:08.56 | blubberdiblub | yes |
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| 21:09.04 | Chance | ok brb rebooting |
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| 21:17.02 | Chance | bad luck |
| 21:17.19 | blubberdiblub | hmm :( |
| 21:17.35 | blubberdiblub | Chance, but the module 8139cp is now not loaded? |
| 21:17.55 | Chance | both again are there in lsmod | grep 8139 |
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| 21:18.16 | cosmos2 | hi folks |
| 21:18.30 | blubberdiblub | Chance, that is extremely strange. you blacklisting doesn't seem to work, but i don't know why |
| 21:18.48 | cosmos2 | I#m running on an ooold ibm 380Z and I have no sound |
| 21:19.14 | valdyn | Chance: you might need to update your initrd for that blacklist to be effective |
| 21:19.31 | cosmos2 | aplay -l says that I have no sound card |
| 21:19.33 | Chance | how i do that ? |
| 21:19.54 | blubberdiblub | Chance, update-initramfs -u |
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| 21:20.05 | cosmos2 | but I'm sure that there is a solution |
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| 21:20.12 | cosmos2 | isn't it? |
| 21:20.54 | Chance | should i reboot after ? |
| 21:20.55 | cosmos2 | I've installed a fluxbox after a nogui install |
| 21:21.13 | valdyn | cosmos2: do you see a sound card in lspci ? |
| 21:21.14 | blubberdiblub | Chance, yes, unfortunately. sorry to make you reboot that often |
| 21:21.27 | Chance | its np i just wana make it work |
| 21:21.31 | Chance | brb reboot |
| 21:22.05 | cosmos2 | valdyn: no |
| 21:22.20 | valdyn | cosmos2: so plug in a sound card |
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| 21:23.11 | MarKsaitis | Is there a way to make my laptop fan turn on only when 60C is reached as it just sucks? It turns on and turns off every minute... |
| 21:23.42 | cosmos2 | valdyn: the bios#s soundcard was ok |
| 21:23.47 | cosmos2 | bio's |
| 21:23.52 | cosmos2 | bios |
| 21:23.59 | valdyn | cosmos2: then it should be listed in lspci |
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| 21:24.18 | cosmos2 | valdyn: but its not |
| 21:24.26 | cosmos2 | it#s |
| 21:24.29 | cosmos2 | it's |
| 21:24.46 | cosmos2 | ....humm german keyboard.... |
| 21:24.47 | Chance | Ok good part is that now the 8139cp is gone and only 8139too is left at lsmod |
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| 21:25.02 | Chance | bad part is that the interface still not up |
| 21:25.08 | valdyn | cosmos2: i guess it could still be an isa device |
| 21:25.17 | blubberdiblub | Chance, what does dmesg say now? |
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| 21:26.48 | cosmos2 | valdyn: 00:06.1 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX$ ISA (rev 02) |
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| 21:27.01 | Chance | says: Chip not responding, ignoring board and probe of 0000:05:09.0 failed with error -5 |
| 21:27.01 | cosmos2 | PIIX4 |
| 21:27.04 | valdyn | cosmos2: thats just the isa bridge |
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| 21:27.13 | f0nmew | !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! WATCH MRMIST DRESSUP LIKE A WOMAN/SEE LILO'S HIDDEN SEX CHANGE OPERATION AND MORPH INTO CHRISTEL/WATCH KLOERI GIVE LOREZ ANAL/SEE NIKO'S HIDDEN HARDGAY PORNO. CALL NOW! (405) 949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH, SHIPPING IS FREE !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! arvind_khadri sourcode omeddragon pierrep boltneck titacgs kvm2k xoz weaseal afuentes batchy jareth_ ring2 bn` lanthan drdo dekar semeion tvm danielgc in |
| 21:27.13 | f0nmew | !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! WATCH MRMIST DRESSUP LIKE A WOMAN/SEE LILO'S HIDDEN SEX CHANGE OPERATION AND MORPH INTO CHRISTEL/WATCH KLOERI GIVE LOREZ ANAL/SEE NIKO'S HIDDEN HARDGAY PORNO. CALL NOW! (405) 949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH, SHIPPING IS FREE !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! shingouz u19809 borisdd Xizor freaky[t] luminoso EmleyMoor rickbol zykotick9 blubberdiblub xand Phosphenes m8 arnoldB alexei_romanoff1 MoDaX mfdl llua gn |
| 21:27.13 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, f0nmew |
| 21:27.16 | oihjem | !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! WATCH MRMIST DRESSUP LIKE A WOMAN/SEE LILO'S HIDDEN SEX CHANGE OPERATION AND MORPH INTO CHRISTEL/WATCH KLOERI GIVE LOREZ ANAL/SEE NIKO'S HIDDEN HARDGAY PORNO. CALL NOW! (405) 949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH, SHIPPING IS FREE !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! oihjem ggg MrGeneral geshp Chance loonyshuttle kelsoo MrDoublesite cosmos2 mark76 dedeibel_ HazardX th0r gusnan pipeep edog jrib bbd phogg Lns e1z0_ fatalerro |
| 21:27.16 | oihjem | !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! WATCH MRMIST DRESSUP LIKE A WOMAN/SEE LILO'S HIDDEN SEX CHANGE OPERATION AND MORPH INTO CHRISTEL/WATCH KLOERI GIVE LOREZ ANAL/SEE NIKO'S HIDDEN HARDGAY PORNO. CALL NOW! (405) 949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH, SHIPPING IS FREE !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! sourcode omeddragon pierrep boltneck titacgs kvm2k xoz weaseal afuentes batchy jareth_ ring2 bn` lanthan drdo dekar semeion tvm danielgc inference TJCRI morph |
| 21:27.16 | oihjem | !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! WATCH MRMIST DRESSUP LIKE A WOMAN/SEE LILO'S HIDDEN SEX CHANGE OPERATION AND MORPH INTO CHRISTEL/WATCH KLOERI GIVE LOREZ ANAL/SEE NIKO'S HIDDEN HARDGAY PORNO. CALL NOW! (405) 949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH, SHIPPING IS FREE !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! borisdd Xizor freaky[t] luminoso EmleyMoor rickbol zykotick9 blubberdiblub xand Phosphenes m8 arnoldB alexei_romanoff1 MoDaX mfdl llua gnugr trbs PragCypher s |
| 21:27.16 | oihjem | !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! WATCH MRMIST DRESSUP LIKE A WOMAN/SEE LILO'S HIDDEN SEX CHANGE OPERATION AND MORPH INTO CHRISTEL/WATCH KLOERI GIVE LOREZ ANAL/SEE NIKO'S HIDDEN HARDGAY PORNO. CALL NOW! (405) 949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH, SHIPPING IS FREE !!!FREENODERS GONE WILD!!! Gottaname1 IdleOne tensorpudding Ivermectina davidisko bint laughzilla__ CannedCorn dimir m4ggus Theoden strayer sphenxes01 daemonkeeper term1n5tor ponyofdeat |
| 21:27.16 | dpkg | oihjem: what are you talking about? |
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| 21:27.26 | phogg | ugh |
| 21:27.30 | llua | goes wild |
| 21:27.41 | Chance | did you got the message ? |
| 21:27.46 | Chance | blu ? |
| 21:27.47 | blubberdiblub | Chance, hum :( then maybe it's a hardware problem? i seem to have quite the same card here. same vendor/productid and same revision |
| 21:27.56 | blubberdiblub | Chance, yes, i got the message |
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| 21:28.06 | Chance | One thing |
| 21:28.14 | cosmos2 | wtf? |
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| 21:28.38 | Chance | the pc is a HP compaq DC7600 |
| 21:28.50 | MarKsaitis | where is debians firewall and how do I turn it off? |
| 21:29.13 | Chance | that has a card in which you plug the NIC card and that card is plugged on the motherboard |
| 21:29.35 | Chance | so it's something like an intermediar card between the MB and the RTL NIC card |
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| 21:30.06 | valdyn | Chance: thats nothing unusual, irrelevant |
| 21:30.17 | blubberdiblub | Chance, well, i'm not familiar with that box, sorry. i guess i'm really out of ideas :( please don't forget to clean up what you changed in /etc/modprobe.d/* and /etc/modules |
| 21:30.48 | martas_ | hi. I am trying to prevent apt or aptitude from ever installing a particular package on the system. Is that possible? |
| 21:31.23 | Chance | did that blu, what can it be the cause then valdyn ? |
| 21:32.00 | valdyn | Chance: not plugged in properly or just broken |
| 21:32.47 | twobitsprite | aww... I didn't get named in the spam? :( |
| 21:32.56 | Chance | ok so you are saying i should try butying another card ?to test it up ? |
| 21:32.59 | cosmos2 | valdyn: I'm trying this: |
| 21:33.02 | cosmos2 | http://usalug.com/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?t=1894&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=thinkpad |
| 21:33.16 | cosmos2 | I reboot |
| 21:33.54 | twobitsprite | martas_: don't run apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 21:34.14 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 21:34.14 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 21:34.14 | twobitsprite | martas_: ohh, a particular package, sorry |
| 21:34.17 | twobitsprite | yeah, that |
| 21:34.22 | Chance | ok good night |
| 21:34.23 | valdyn | martas_: ^^ |
| 21:34.32 | blubberdiblub | Chance, you could also try this very card in another box, if possible. or if it's not properly plugged in like valdyn suggested, take it out and plug it in again or something like that. clean the contacts etc. |
| 21:34.40 | blubberdiblub | ah, too late |
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| 21:35.56 | martas_ | I have tried pinning- setting Pin-Priority to -100, but the package was still pulled in |
| 21:36.00 | martas_ | and installed |
| 21:36.49 | martas_ | i am trying to prevent a package from being installed as a suggested package |
| 21:37.31 | twobitsprite | martas_: you could try --without-recommends |
| 21:38.16 | twobitsprite | martas_: or tell us what you're installing, and what package you don't want installed |
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| 21:38.24 | martas_ | i do not want to specify that every time aptitude is run |
| 21:38.52 | twobitsprite | martas_: you could set it in /etc/apt/apt.conf or ~/.aptitude/config |
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| 21:39.09 | martas_ | twobitsprite: do you know how? |
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| 21:39.35 | twobitsprite | martas_: the option is "Apt::Install-Recommends" |
| 21:39.39 | martas_ | twobitsprite: i am interested in a particular package, not in general |
| 21:39.56 | twobitsprite | martas_: if it's just a particular package, why would you have to specify it every time? |
| 21:40.07 | twobitsprite | what packages are we talking about here? |
| 21:41.10 | twobitsprite | and do you have a specific reason to not want to install it... they are "recommended" packages, after all |
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| 21:41.38 | martas_ | twobitsprite: i want to prevent grub as being installed as a suggested package anytime anyone installs any package with aptitude |
| 21:41.59 | twobitsprite | martas_: what packages are you trying to install that try to pull in grub? |
| 21:42.46 | twobitsprite | martas_: sounds to me more like you have a broken grub package that aptitude is trying to fix |
| 21:43.23 | martas_ | twobitsprite: no, i am trying to install linux-image-2.6.35-30-generic |
| 21:43.34 | martas_ | twobitsprite: on a diskless machine |
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| 21:44.37 | twobitsprite | ,versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 21:44.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 21:44.48 | martas_ | twobitsprite: this machine boots over the network so i do not need grub |
| 21:45.38 | twobitsprite | martas_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:45.47 | twobitsprite | ,kernels |
| 21:45.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 21:46.09 | twobitsprite | that doesn't look like a debian kernel |
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| 21:48.54 | martas_ | twobitsprite: strange |
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| 21:49.34 | martas_ | twobitsprite: i am running trisquel 4.5 |
| 21:49.38 | Odaym | when i am using GTKorphan, i select "show all orphaned packages, not just those in the libraries", and i get packages like "acpi" and "apache2" .."dmidecode".... |
| 21:49.40 | Odaym | is this normal? |
| 21:49.47 | twobitsprite | martas_: what is trisquel? |
| 21:49.48 | Odaym | those packages are essential for me |
| 21:49.52 | Odaym | why do they show up in there? |
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| 21:50.34 | Ramosa | does squeeze use SysV or Upstart ? |
| 21:50.50 | martas_ | twobitsprite: it is a fully free operating GNU/Linux system |
| 21:50.57 | twobitsprite | martas_: sounds like it isn't debian |
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| 21:51.18 | twobitsprite | !trisquel |
| 21:51.18 | dpkg | Trisquel is a Spanish distribution initially based on Debian, now Ubuntu. It is not supported in #debian. http://trisquel.info/en #trisquel on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 21:51.22 | twobitsprite | ahh ha, it's not :) |
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| 21:51.32 | twobitsprite | martas_: try #trisquel |
| 21:52.26 | martas_ | twobitsprite: i thought this was the most appropriate place to ask about apt and aptitude |
| 21:52.36 | martas_ | twobitsprite: sorry for the confusion |
| 21:52.44 | lamah | does debian BG update servers and etc. are Up To Date ? |
| 21:52.48 | twobitsprite | martas_: well... I have no idea who trisquel packages it's kernels, because, well, I'm not running it :) |
| 21:52.48 | lamah | like US, UK, DE ? |
| 21:53.00 | lamah | with packages |
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| 21:53.13 | twobitsprite | martas_: my system doesn't seem to have grub listed as either a depend or a recommend on kernel packages, so I have no idea why your apt wants to pull it in |
| 21:54.32 | twobitsprite | lamah: the mirrors are usually pretty well up to date... I think (but not positive) the lag time is at most 24 hours |
| 21:54.54 | lamah | twobitsprite: hm. well, ok thanks |
| 21:55.12 | twobitsprite | lamah: is there package you can't install that you should be able to or something? |
| 21:56.43 | martas_ | twobitsprite: i am seeing grub-common, grub-pc as recommended when i try to install on mine |
| 21:56.59 | martas_ | twobitsprite: i will ask on #trisquel, thanks for help |
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| 21:57.44 | lamah | no twobitsprite I am maybe newbie or something, but i have solved all of my probs. I have only one problem, iceweasel 5 block/redirects some sites to com.net.org and tells me not found i have checked every thing by network, dhcp, dns, etc. everything is ok, but problem is only in iceweasel -- no problems in konqueror or other OS, lynx works good, also :) |
| 21:58.07 | lamah | .. |
| 21:58.28 | lamah | e.g. http://www.com.org/?not_found=twitter.com |
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| 21:59.19 | twobitsprite | lamah: have you installed any toolbars or addons recently? |
| 21:59.32 | lamah | twobitsprite: you are right, but no |
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| 21:59.51 | twobitsprite | lamah: sounds like a browser hijack to me... |
| 22:00.03 | lamah | hmm |
| 22:00.07 | lamah | very interesting |
| 22:00.22 | twobitsprite | you can try looking around in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox |
| 22:00.32 | twobitsprite | also, iceweasel has a safe mode |
| 22:00.38 | lamah | yes this only what i need to do |
| 22:00.43 | lamah | how?! |
| 22:00.50 | twobitsprite | try iceweasel -safe-mode |
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| 22:02.13 | DeathNostril | I wasn't able to locate file for the googleearth package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. <- I do not have the archive I used to install this. But as a result I cannot update anything on the system (Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download follows). Is there anything I can do to just make the package system forget this package exists or bypass it so I can do normal upgrades? |
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| 22:03.42 | lamah | twobitsprite: yes rm -rf .mozilla and creating again... fixed this thanks for reminder :) |
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| 22:04.04 | twobitsprite | lamah: no problem |
| 22:04.12 | Odaym | right now, apache is working and i can see the test page, but when I try to do apache restart, i get this http://pastebin.com/UuA5wRAQ ...and then i changed the /etc/hosts file (http://pastebin.com/KQxaiKVz) to read "127.0.0.1" instead of "127.0.1.1", tried restarting apache again and got this error again http://pastebin.com/R1QqQNCM |
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| 22:06.21 | DeathNostril | Nevermind, found a solution |
| 22:06.46 | oscurochu | I'm having issues with my screen resolution. I have an image that demonstrates whats wrong: http://i52.tinypic.com/2nuucyt.jpg |
| 22:07.17 | twobitsprite | Odaym: looks more like a warning to me, not an error |
| 22:07.39 | twobitsprite | Odaym: and apache is trying to do reverse lookup to figure out it's host.domain name |
| 22:07.57 | twobitsprite | Odaym: I think you can specify that in one of the configs so it doesn't try to look it up... but I don't recall how |
| 22:08.16 | twobitsprite | Odaym: also, how the hell did you get 127.0.1.1 in your hosts file? |
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| 22:09.03 | twobitsprite | ohh, nm, I see |
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| 22:09.38 | oscurochu | 127.0.01 is in everyones host file. |
| 22:10.09 | cosmos2 | I can see a sound card with lspnp but not with lspci on my ibm 380Z |
| 22:10.22 | twobitsprite | well, 127.0.0.1 is, but I hadn't noticed the 127.0.1.1 before (shows how often I mess with hosts files :P) |
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| 22:10.58 | oscurochu | oh, i didnt notice you wrote 127.0.1.1 |
| 22:11.03 | twobitsprite | anyways, quittin' time. see you all tomorrow |
| 22:11.36 | oscurochu | cosmos2: what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:12.18 | cosmos2 | oscurochu: to get the sound on my ibm 380Z on Fluxbox |
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| 22:16.27 | oscurochu | cosmos2: is it a pci sound card? what are the results of lspci? |
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| 22:18.52 | oscurochu | If you see a sound card with lspnp, then from my understanding, you shouldnt be able to see that same card in lspci. It's like expecting my processor to be in lsusb. I'm not too familar with sound cards, but the only way to learn is running into troubles. |
| 22:18.56 | mnzaki | Hi. Is debian's polkit1 different from PolicyKit? And what's the equivalent to /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf ? |
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| 22:21.05 | thekix | hi |
| 22:21.08 | oscurochu | hi |
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| 22:30.35 | cosmos2 | oscurochu: no soundcard with the lspci command, but I get some info about, with lspnp command |
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| 22:31.14 | thekix | lspci? lspnp? what soundcard it is? |
| 22:31.25 | cosmos2 | lspci |
| 22:31.56 | cosmos2 | no sound card detected with lspci |
| 22:32.02 | cosmos2 | a udev issue? |
| 22:32.16 | thekix | what soundcard is? |
| 22:32.33 | thekix | is in "dmesg"? |
| 22:32.36 | cosmos2 | crystal pnp audio system |
| 22:32.44 | cosmos2 | dmesg |
| 22:33.07 | thekix | open a terminal and type dmesg |
| 22:33.34 | cosmos2 | too long message |
| 22:33.46 | cosmos2 | canno't se upper side |
| 22:33.48 | thekix | dmesg | grep -i crystal |
| 22:34.19 | cosmos2 | no results |
| 22:34.44 | thekix | lspnp ? |
| 22:34.52 | cosmos2 | lspnp |
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| 22:35.02 | cosmos2 | already done |
| 22:35.41 | thekix | but it show the sound card? |
| 22:36.07 | cosmos2 | 00:05 CSC0010 Crystal PnP audio system control registers |
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| 22:36.45 | cosmos2 | 00:06 CS0000 Crystal PnP audio system CODEC |
| 22:37.23 | cosmos2 | 00:07 CSC0001 Crystal PnP audio system joystick |
| 22:37.54 | streuner_ | we need to know what kind of chipset is it... |
| 22:38.03 | cosmos2 | 00:08 CSC0003 Crystal PnP audio system MPU-401 compatible |
| 22:38.07 | cosmos2 | that's all |
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| 22:38.17 | thekix | look this: http://www.linux-laptop.net/hosted/xubuntu-thinkpad770e.html |
| 22:38.30 | thekix | I think is your problem |
| 22:39.04 | streuner_ | cosmos2: lspci -v | grep - i audio |
| 22:39.05 | Kharec | Good evening here. |
| 22:39.11 | thekix | hi kharec |
| 22:39.44 | Kharec | came here for help some debian's users. So, hello all. |
| 22:39.52 | cosmos2 | streuner_: no results |
| 22:40.09 | thekix | cosmos, has you try the link? |
| 22:40.24 | streuner_ | cosmos2: hm, and this is a onboard chipset? |
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| 22:41.54 | streuner_ | cosmos2: the soundcard is in the motherboard, right? |
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| 22:42.14 | somiaj | Kharec: oh yea? Care to help me with my wireless problem -- I want to use /etc/network/interfaces with ifup/ifdown to manage the wireless networks I use. Issue is with large (multiple) IP open guest networks. |
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| 22:42.43 | somiaj | Kharec: either way, welcome. (: |
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| 22:43.01 | streuner_ | look at the wiki.debian.org and search for HowtouseWireless |
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| 22:43.48 | somiaj | well my issue is when I first boot up my laptop, when I run 'ifup <device>=<alias>' I get no dhcpresponse and time out |
| 22:44.00 | somiaj | if I use a network manager (wicd in my case) I can connect just fine |
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| 22:44.29 | streuner_ | you cannot use both ways (N-M or interfaces)... |
| 22:44.44 | somiaj | now once wicd connects for me once, I can disable wicd, bring down my device, and then run ifup just fine and I get the dhcprequest just fine after that |
| 22:44.50 | nvz | wicd is the best thing I've found for that kinda thing |
| 22:44.59 | streuner_ | when the daemon (NM) still runs, it gives you headaches for interfaces... |
| 22:45.38 | streuner_ | somiaj: interfaces manages all of these kind of issues for you, but make sure no (other) daemon runs... |
| 22:45.38 | somiaj | I also have no problem getting dhcp requests from small encrypted networks -- I just am unsure what wicd is doing (And I've looked into it more than once) to get the first dhcp request from these large open networks |
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| 22:46.03 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals howtousewireless |
| 22:46.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'howtousewireless' by value returned no results. |
| 22:46.08 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:46.11 | somiaj | streuner_: yes, I know that -- I'm just saying in order to get my dhcprepsonse the first time from afresh boot I have to use wicd, but after that my entry works just fine |
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| 22:46.45 | inference | my gf/roommate is making me clean my computer desk |
| 22:46.46 | somiaj | (I completely kill and shutdown wicd -- reason is my wireless driver is total crap and wicd running in the background sometimes causes the wireless to kill my kernel) |
| 22:46.49 | subuser | it seems snort gets shutdown sometime during hibernation, if i leave my computer long enough for it to hibernate the ps list doesn't have the snort daemon on it when i turn it back on |
| 22:46.55 | inference | there are over 43 lighters so far |
| 22:47.01 | subuser | i can't find a error message, but it's not there anyway |
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| 22:47.14 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: You might try network-manager instead. |
| 22:47.17 | streuner_ | somiaj: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 22:47.23 | Kharec | somiaj: thanks. |
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| 22:47.29 | nvz | inference: fascinatingly offtopic. ;) |
| 22:47.41 | inference | 44 lighters |
| 22:48.07 | streuner_ | what does he mean with lighters? |
| 22:48.30 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: don't like the graphical dependencies on either gnome or kde -- though yes I have tried it with the command line, but I really want to use NO network manager.....I just cannot figure out what small step I'm missing to ensure my device can send/recive a dhcp request for an open network. |
| 22:48.49 | nvz | y'know little plastic thing filled with compressed butane and has an attached valve with a piece of flint and a steel wheel.. |
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| 22:49.20 | somiaj | streuner_: I've read that page and all of the releated wiki pages many times -- my issue is just something really small I'm overlooking that so far no one has been able to figure out what..:/ |
| 22:49.41 | somiaj | Kharec: :D |
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| 22:50.02 | cosmos2 | streuner_: yes |
| 22:50.04 | somiaj | nvz: yes I like wicd too, I'm kinda disapointed its now a dead project. |
| 22:50.22 | th0r | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/uYp2tKx4 is my interfaces file. It brings up my wifi automatically on boot with dhcp. |
| 22:50.26 | cosmos2 | I reboot now, trying the previous link solution |
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| 22:50.29 | streuner_ | cosmos2: and you got no result via lspci, hm, iam out of ideas then |
| 22:50.51 | th0r | somiaj: understand that I disabled it as I don't want the wifi to come up til I log in, but the lines are just commented out, not removed. |
| 22:51.15 | nvz | somiaj: I wasn't aware of that.. but really, a lot of things end development when their task is rather simple and its functional enough for everyone involved... |
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| 22:52.26 | somiaj | nvz: yes, wicd still has a few issues, but hopefully the debian matainer keeps it around and fixes some bugs as opposed to ditching it |
| 22:52.54 | jhutchins_lt | It's nice to have an alternative. |
| 22:53.01 | somiaj | th0r: yea, I can paste my interfaces file, but I don't see what is wrong with it...as I say the interfaces file works fine after wicd does 'something magical', but before that I just don't get a dhcp response. |
| 22:53.39 | th0r | somiaj: well, compare it to mine. As I said, before I commented the lines they worked fine on boot....brought the wifi up just fine |
| 22:53.48 | jetscreamer | heh network manager |
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| 22:54.43 | nvz | somiaj: oh it has more than a "few" issues, but its the only thing I've found that has basic functionality of managing multiple networks... near as I can tell n-m doesnt have any functionality for that.. sure it remembers the networks and can "manage" them from the gnome system menu, but in that settings window you can't actually do anything useful like set passwords, ips, or anything like that |
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| 22:57.21 | subuser | pm-hibernate seems to be command to hibernate computer to memory |
| 22:57.28 | subuser | or pm-suspend |
| 22:57.36 | subuser | mis |
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| 22:57.49 | somiaj | http://paste.debian.net/123709/ -- my interfaces file (with critical info removed) -- as I said, dhcp works fine on home network (though I prefer static), its just the open networks I cannot get a dhcp response unless I use wicd/n-m first. But after I use them first everything works fine -- cannot figure out what I'm missing for an open network |
| 22:58.09 | somiaj | subuser: suspend is to memeory, hibernate is to swap |
| 22:58.25 | subuser | ah, thanks for the difference , i was just wondering about it :) |
| 22:58.31 | somiaj | subuser: there is also a suspend-hibernate that does both, so if you run out of power you still have your session on swap. |
| 22:58.47 | subuser | that sounds like a good one to use |
| 22:59.06 | somiaj | suspend takes (or should take) 5-15seconds, hibernate can take up to a minute or more |
| 22:59.16 | somiaj | cause of copying everything to swap |
| 22:59.19 | somiaj | (hard disk) |
| 22:59.47 | th0r | somiaj: the iface lines....are cwi and bsu the names of your wifi cards? |
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| 23:00.26 | al_nz1 | Hiya peeps |
| 23:00.29 | somiaj | th0r: no they are alaises, so you run 'ifup wlan0=bsu' or 'ifup wlan0=cwi' depending on which network I'm at |
| 23:00.39 | al_nz1 | how do I add a line to PATH in Debian? |
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| 23:01.12 | somiaj | al_nz1: depends on the shell you use, by default this is usually bash, so add it in your .bashrc file in your $HOME dir |
| 23:01.12 | al_nz1 | ...the sort of thing you would think would be easy, but a google of it shows about 3 different ways |
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| 23:01.51 | somiaj | al_nz1: a PATH=foo would work fine in your .bashrc file |
| 23:02.00 | al_nz1 | Hi somiaj |
| 23:02.10 | al_nz1 | I am in my home dir but cant see a .bashrc file |
| 23:02.16 | th0r | somiaj: try this....comment out one of the wifi definitions in interfaces. Change the bsu or cwi to wlan0, and try it to see if it works. |
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| 23:02.28 | somiaj | al_nz1: the other ways depend on if you want it to be system wide (/etc/profile) for that, or if you use zsh or another shell, the .bashrc file |
| 23:02.43 | al_nz1 | dont worry - found it |
| 23:02.56 | somiaj | th0r: that isn't the issue, the alias work fine except at boot -- the issue is something with getting my wireless card to send/recive dhcprequest on an OPEN network. |
| 23:03.10 | al_nz1 | is it the same to change it for root? or is root a special case? |
| 23:03.23 | th0r | somiaj: on boot you aren't there to tell interfaces which definition to use |
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| 23:04.22 | al_nz1 | somiaj: how would i change it for all users? |
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| 23:05.01 | jetscreamer | [18.02.26] <somiaj> al_nz1: the other ways depend on if you want it to be system wide (/etc/profile) for that, |
| 23:05.03 | th0r | somiaj: Do you have the essid of the open network? |
| 23:05.04 | Miesco | Whats a good program to turn a DVD into an ISO? |
| 23:05.47 | jetscreamer | dd works, maybe not if it's copy protected, not sure |
| 23:05.53 | somiaj | th0r: I boot up -- I run 'ifup wlan0=bsu' from a console -- I do not get a DHCPOFFER. I bring down the device, 'ifdown wlan0' -- I run wicd '/etc/init.d/wicd start' -- it connects to the network for me just fine -- I kill wicds process (the init.d script doesn't stop it unforntally) -- after that I can ifup/ifdown the interface all I want and it works just fine |
| 23:05.59 | somiaj | th0r: yes I do. |
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| 23:06.42 | al_nz1 | well I guess what I am getting at is echo $PATH shows /usr/local/bin - but that path is not defined in .bashrc or /etc/profile - show where is it coming from? |
| 23:06.55 | Miesco | jetscreamer: Yea I want to decrypt it |
| 23:07.00 | somiaj | th0r: this says wicd is doing something with 'iwconfig' most likely that is small that puts the wirless card in a mode it can connect to this open network -- I cannot figure out what this little thing is (despite staring at the wicd logs for a few hours) |
| 23:07.09 | th0r | somiaj: I am running debian here, but the man page here indicates a different syntax for using multiple definitions |
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| 23:07.53 | somiaj | Miesco: do you want to just copy the vob's off the dvd? you can use vobcopy for that and it should decrypt them if you have libdvdread or libdvdcss to do that -- afaik |
| 23:08.25 | th0r | somiaj: I bet if you change bsu to wlan0 in the iface line of interfaces it will work. If so, I think I can tell you how to make it do what you want (assuming ifup is working as my man page indicates |
| 23:08.50 | somiaj | th0r: ok I'll reboot and try for your courisoty. |
| 23:08.57 | al_nz1 | somiaj: well I guess what I am getting at is echo $PATH shows /usr/local/bin - but that path is not defined in .bashrc or /etc/profile - show where is it coming from? |
| 23:09.59 | jetscreamer | gnome messes with your path, or it was gdm iirc.. |
| 23:10.04 | somiaj | al_nz1: grep PATH /etc/* gave me an /etc/login.defs -- might be using that. |
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| 23:10.37 | somiaj | but yes when you log in there are multiple things that set/mess with the PATH, $HOME/.bashrc is usually the last place read and is best for setting your single user path |
| 23:10.49 | somiaj | anyways, brb |
| 23:10.52 | Miesco | somiaj: thanks |
| 23:11.17 | al_nz1 | so in .bashrc i can just add a line PATH=/path/one;/path/two; etc? |
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| 23:12.21 | jetscreamer | %PATH%; first iirc |
| 23:12.35 | jetscreamer | unless you wanna lose what ou already have set |
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| 23:12.48 | al_nz1 | jetscreamer: sorry, whats the full syntax? |
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| 23:13.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.31 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 23:13.49 | jetscreamer | check first |
| 23:14.13 | jetscreamer | and always make a backup before you change stuff |
| 23:14.27 | al_nz1 | when I add that, and echo $PATH nothing new is there? |
| 23:14.37 | al_nz1 | it shouldnt be this hard to edit a path |
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| 23:15.15 | jetscreamer | you added that to what, .bashrc ? source .bashrc |
| 23:15.24 | al_nz1 | .bashrc |
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| 23:15.59 | al_nz1 | might need to logout and login again |
| 23:16.09 | jetscreamer | source .bashrc |
| 23:16.51 | phogg | um, we are doing Windows/DOS PATH setting? |
| 23:17.03 | jetscreamer | we are dimly remembering stuff |
| 23:17.06 | al_nz1 | no |
| 23:17.25 | jetscreamer | you gotta source the file to get it re-read though |
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| 23:17.28 | phogg | PATH in Unix is /dir:/other/dir:/etc |
| 23:17.32 | babilen | fwiw: it should be ":" not ";" |
| 23:17.37 | phogg | right |
| 23:17.48 | jetscreamer | i'm so ashamed :( |
| 23:17.52 | phogg | and PATH is expanded with $PATH or ${PATH} and not %PATH or %PATH% |
| 23:17.56 | babilen | phogg: should have realised that you are already at it :) |
| 23:18.04 | phogg | the other being all windows/batch syntax |
| 23:18.11 | jetscreamer | OMG I"M polluted |
| 23:18.24 | phogg | jetscreamer: it's okay, take a long shower and you'll be okay |
| 23:18.50 | jetscreamer | the source thing is pure linux though |
| 23:19.01 | phogg | also, FYI, after sourcing changes are immediate (no need to log out/in) |
| 23:20.10 | al_nz1 | phogg: so for a single user i can change path in .bashrc, what about for all users? |
| 23:20.44 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.57 | jetscreamer | ugh |
| 23:21.11 | al_nz1 | and for root? |
| 23:21.28 | jetscreamer | root has a .bashrc, or can |
| 23:22.06 | phogg | al_nz1: in this jetscreamer is accurate. /etc/profile, /etc/bash_profile, and so forth. root has his own .bashrc |
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| 23:22.27 | phogg | s/bash_profile/bash.bashrc/ |
| 23:22.34 | phogg | see, everyone forgets things |
| 23:23.55 | jetscreamer | i'm still waiting on the rma guy to rma my hd... shame i'm the rma guy eh |
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| 23:24.08 | phogg | al_nz1: it would be instructive for you to man bash and read the INVOCATION section |
| 23:24.36 | phogg | al_nz1: this covers exactly what files are read (and in what sequence) when bash starts up |
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| 23:24.45 | phogg | is waiting for kde4 to reinstall |
| 23:24.50 | jetscreamer | or /msg dpkg bash |
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| 23:25.21 | jetscreamer | s/bash/bashrc/ |
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| 23:26.17 | al_nz1 | phogg - ok thanks |
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| 23:28.57 | somiaj | th0r: changing it to wlan0 did nothing with the issue -- as expected. |
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| 23:29.31 | th0r | somiaj: then something in the interfaces file is wrong....let me take a look again at your pastebin |
| 23:30.25 | th0r | somiaj: can you bring up the interface at all using interfaces? |
| 23:30.33 | th0r | somiaj: that is, using ifup? |
| 23:30.41 | somiaj | al_nz1, jetscreamer: PATH="/path/one:/path/two:$PATH" is usually prefered, usually you want the files found in /path/one to take precendence of the default path -- but either way order matters. |
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| 23:31.50 | somiaj | th0r: http://paste.debian.net/123717/ -- that is me after boot up, you can see that without running wicd first I don't get a dhcp response, but after I run wicd, then kill it ( the kill line ) then bring the interface completely down, it comes up just fine -- the interface file was not changed |
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| 23:32.55 | somiaj | th0r: and it is something to do with open unsecure networks -- dhcp works fine on small closed/secure networks. |
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| 23:33.58 | kernal_j | Is the the debian help channel? |
| 23:34.27 | somiaj | kernal_j: yes -- now your one question has been answered...each additional question has a $100 fee |
| 23:34.28 | th0r | somiaj: I wonder if the line wireless-key off is trying to use 'off' as a key. In my interfaces file there is no such line. The reason I keep referring to mine...it drove me crazy cause I couldn't get wicd to use the opendns until I figured out the install had configured interfaces <smile>. So I know that the interfaces file I have works |
| 23:34.48 | kernal_j | somiaj: bill my paypal please ;) |
| 23:34.51 | somiaj | th0r: I've tried to have that set to 'off', 'open', and just completely remove it....same effect. |
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| 23:35.51 | afuentes | I have calibre 0.8.2 from testing and i want to install 0.8.8 from unstable... what should i consider prior to do apt-get install -t unstable calibre? |
| 23:36.35 | somiaj | th0r: I know the interface file, I've been programing them for years, and have programed many interfaces files for wireless....but this is my first laptop that i"m using at work and this open network here is just odd -- as I say I've tried to fix this issue many times, its something small but not sure what -- :/ |
| 23:36.47 | somiaj | afuentes: are you running a testing system? |
| 23:36.58 | somiaj | afuentes: I sure hope you aren't running a stable system and putting testing packages in it. |
| 23:37.15 | afuentes | yeah im running testing |
| 23:37.27 | th0r | somiaj: yeah...weird problem. |
| 23:37.56 | somiaj | afuentes: two things then, check the deps of the version from sid -- if you already statisfy the deps on testing your fine |
| 23:38.05 | afuentes | somiaj, im running testing and hope to install unestable packages does not break massively everything |
| 23:38.16 | kernal_j | I have an networking issue: my samba server (which works perfectly in both windows and linux) can not get outside of the router... iptables is not running, can ping LAN but not WAN... any suguestiongs? |
| 23:38.20 | somiaj | afuentes: if you have to pull in extra libaries from sid to fit the depends version you will have some issues with getting the new libs |
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| 23:38.24 | th0r | somiaj: the only other thing I can see is the 'allow-hotplug wlan0' line. I know I needed it but don't recall why |
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| 23:39.38 | somiaj | afuentes: since testing isn't near a frozen state, you can probabaly just install the program and all of its sid libs into testing then over time testing will catch up to where sid is now and you'll be using all testing again |
| 23:40.39 | somiaj | afuentes: issues is if the libs you install from sid could cause strange bugs, and/or they may not filter down into testing due to release critical bugs -- but this is rare it can happen |
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| 23:41.14 | th0r | somiaj: sorry I couldn't help more....need to walk the dog. Good luck |
| 23:41.18 | somiaj | afuentes: you could also just backport the package to testing using the simple sid backport instructions (/msg dpkg ssbp) if you don't want to install sid libs in testing -- depending no the actual libs and number |
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| 23:42.00 | al_nz1 | would chmod 600 /home/user/anydir make it accessable to anyone? |
| 23:42.07 | faoiseamh | had to upgrade php and mysql - afterwards mysql extension for mysql wasn't installed. doing apt-get install php5-gd setup gd extension fine. apt-get install php5-mysql runs fine but the extension is still not present. any ideas? |
| 23:42.09 | somiaj | th0r: no problem, I wasn't expecting a solution, I'm just tired of having to run wicd then kill it each time -- and all hotplug does is allow your device to be detected/brought up automatically by other systems espcailly if its a removable device. I don't want my device to be brought up autmotaically so I don't need that line. |
| 23:42.41 | somiaj | al_nz1: no, the bit is <owner><group><everyone> |
| 23:43.03 | somiaj | al_nz1: since you have <owner>=6 <group>=0 <everyone>=0, only the owner has any permissions |
| 23:43.14 | faoiseamh | my issue is on squeeze / php 5.3 |
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| 23:43.24 | afuentes | somiaj, if i do apt-get install -t sid calibre one time... it will install that version and eventually catch up in testing? |
| 23:43.28 | faoiseamh | nvm, got it, had to do a purge |
| 23:43.29 | faoiseamh | sorry |
| 23:43.44 | somiaj | afuentes: provided everything goes smoothly with the package and all of its dependencies |
| 23:43.53 | somiaj | afuentes: but that isn't a guarntee |
| 23:44.16 | al_nz1 | so chmod +777 dir would work? and does it include sub files and dirs? |
| 23:44.41 | nkuttler | !tell al_nz1 about 777 |
| 23:44.54 | somiaj | afuentes: sometimes packages take a long time to drop from sid into testing and sometimes they never do -- and when testing starts to freeze this is even more imporatnt |
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| 23:45.16 | somiaj | al_nz1: need the -R option to recursivally go though all the files in the subdirectories |
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| 23:45.36 | somiaj | al_nz1: but 777 is bad, 755 is usually prefered, gives everyone the ability to read but not write to the files |
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| 23:46.28 | afuentes | somiaj, i think i understand |
| 23:47.24 | nkuttler | al_nz1: notice that files usually shouldn't be +x, so 644 or 664 is enough for them |
| 23:47.36 | afuentes | somiaj, if i apt-remove calibre if some of the dependencies does not catch up for example, would it remove the bad dependencies as well so i can just apt-get install? |
| 23:47.52 | afuentes | again |
| 23:48.21 | somiaj | afuentes: nope remove only takes out the 'depends' not the dependencies |
| 23:49.09 | somiaj | though if some of the auto brought in dependencies aren't needed by other packages apt-get/aptitude can remove those too. But you'll have to go though all the dependeices manually to make sure. |
| 23:50.03 | afuentes | im pretty sure im going to break something somiaj :) |
| 23:50.05 | somiaj | afuentes: also read the topic, this is not the place for testing/sid support, this is only debian stable support |
| 23:50.29 | afuentes | oh, thanks somiaj |
| 23:50.32 | somiaj | afuentes: the topic directs you to another irc network (offical debian network moved away from freenode years ago) and there is a #debian-next chan there. |
| 23:51.15 | afuentes | I was more interested on the whole idea, not really that much in actual packages |
| 23:51.19 | afuentes | just to understand the policy |
| 23:51.35 | somiaj | still that is the chanell/network for such discussions |
| 23:51.43 | afuentes | ok, thanks :) |
| 23:53.14 | stew | afuentes: when you remove a package with apt-get, the things that depend on it get removed, the things that it depended on are not. if you apt-get autoremove, those leftover dependencies will be removed if they aren't used by anything else |
| 23:53.36 | stew | afuentes: aptitude, in contrast, does the autoremove immediately and automatically |
| 23:55.00 | afuentes | i see, thanks stew |
| 23:55.29 | stew | you can change if something would be autoremoved with apt-mark |
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