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| 00:04.42 | ahlfors | Are there any good reasons these days to run i686 on a desktop machine that supports x86_64? |
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| 00:09.35 | zykotick9 | ahlfors, "it's easier" is that a good reason? If you do go 64bit, check out the getlibs script for installing 32bit libraries, it's really handy. |
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| 00:11.24 | Coweater | the only issue i've had was adobe's 64-bit flash is broken/insecure, everything else has been handled by the package manager |
| 00:11.38 | Ox41 | Alright, my basic question is what I should do if im getting MySQL errors because the /tmp/ partition is near full... |
| 00:11.38 | ahlfors | zykotick9, I just remember it feeling like an immature platform when I tried it in 2006-2007, so I reverted to i686. These days will flash "just work"? Will I be able to fire up Prey or ETQW when I want? |
| 00:11.43 | Ox41 | I dont really know what direction to head |
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| 00:13.20 | zykotick9 | ahlfors, flash-nonfree is now installing native 64bit, which is nice. As for Prey/ETQW, you'll probably run into some issues that getlibs might come in real hand for. Almost everything is possible with 64bit, just needs more work. Best of luck. |
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| 00:13.52 | ahlfors | Zyferus, ok ty |
| 00:14.04 | zykotick9 | ahlfors, i personally run 64bit on any processor that supports it |
| 00:14.29 | ahlfors | oops s/Zyferus/zykotick9/ |
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| 00:28.30 | speedrunnerG55 | Help |
| 00:28.54 | speedrunnerG55 | I need help connecting to wifi |
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| 00:29.45 | speedrunnerG55 | Help? |
| 00:29.50 | ham5 | !ask |
| 00:29.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:34.57 | speedrunnerG55 | I have a problem with my network connection when i try to conect to my acsess point i dont see anny avaluable networks. I am using debain 6.02 |
| 00:35.04 | speedrunnerG55 | Help |
| 00:36.10 | ham5 | wheres your network manager |
| 00:36.17 | ham5 | sounds more of a networking problem then debian itself |
| 00:36.20 | speedrunnerG55 | I am it x_x |
| 00:36.37 | ham5 | network manager, the software... |
| 00:36.45 | speedrunnerG55 | Oh lol |
| 00:37.06 | speedrunnerG55 | Where is it? |
| 00:37.17 | speedrunnerG55 | On the top? |
| 00:37.19 | ham5 | yes, where is it |
| 00:37.41 | speedrunnerG55 | In administration? |
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| 00:44.52 | Matias_ | Hello |
| 00:45.33 | fenugreek | Matias_: hi |
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| 00:46.38 | Matias_ | can anyone show me the output of # aptitude search ttf | grep Japanese? I would like to remove any non-automatically installed Japanese font |
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| 00:47.47 | Matias_ | (because my system started to use a different default font to show Japanese characters and it doesn't seem well) |
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| 00:49.42 | fenugreek | hate it when that happens |
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| 00:51.44 | Angstrom_ | Anyone here familiar with Cinelerra? |
| 00:51.56 | ham5 | !anyone |
| 00:51.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 00:52.23 | Angstrom_ | Is there any reason why my movie is cropped to a small square of the whole movie file, and then when I save/render the file to disk, it's the same fraction of a size of the full movie |
| 00:52.56 | ham5 | Angstrom_ : #cinelerra |
| 00:53.01 | Angstrom_ | I tried there, nothing but bots |
| 00:53.06 | Angstrom_ | No one answers and I'm using this in Debian |
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| 00:53.58 | Angstrom_ | HELP ME |
| 00:54.04 | ham5 | naa |
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| 00:54.38 | plasticle | Angstrom: did you try #openvideo as well? |
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| 00:55.13 | Bushmills | no wonder nobody answers |
| 00:55.45 | kfogel | Bushmills: what was the question? |
| 00:56.13 | Bushmills | "anyone familiar" kind of questiobn |
| 00:56.13 | Angstrom_ | Is there any reason why my movie is cropped to a small square of the whole movie file, and then when I save/render the file to disk, it's the same fraction of a size of the full movie |
| 00:56.37 | Angstrom_ | Corel VideoStudio sucks and I can't run Adobe Premiere on my machine |
| 00:56.57 | Bushmills | Angstrom_: probably |
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| 00:58.26 | Angstrom_ | I've got a good question for all the people here |
| 00:58.35 | Angstrom_ | Why does no one answer, especially when it's a time people aren't at work |
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| 00:58.56 | Bushmills | i answered your question "Is there any reason..." |
| 00:59.10 | dvs | Angstrom_: Maybe because not many people use cinelerra |
| 00:59.47 | plasticle | Angstrom_: pitivi is another good option (relatively) for debian |
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| 01:05.36 | Angstrom_ | hey |
| 01:05.39 | Angstrom_ | I figured it out |
| 01:05.48 | Angstrom_ | in cinelerra, go to settings, then format |
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| 01:06.02 | Angstrom_ | then change it from 720x480 at 29.97 FPS to 640x480 at 30 fps |
| 01:06.13 | Angstrom_ | I did better than a #debian help channel! |
| 01:06.23 | ham5 | sounds hard |
| 01:06.24 | Angstrom_ | What do people do here |
| 01:06.28 | Angstrom_ | like this guy, bemawi_ |
| 01:06.29 | ham5 | cool story bro |
| 01:06.30 | Angstrom_ | What does he do |
| 01:06.38 | stew | kfogel: the newer iceweasel was only very recently been uploaded to unstable. it hasn't been there long enough to migrate to testing yet, however, see http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:06.43 | Angstrom_ | or this guy dekar, to they just fuck around |
| 01:07.02 | stew | kfogel: and http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 |
| 01:08.49 | kfogel | stew: thanks. reading now |
| 01:09.25 | kfogel | stew: what I've done for now is just manually install regular firefox from upstream |
| 01:09.40 | kfogel | stew: ugly solution, but it'll do until testing gets updated |
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| 01:10.28 | stew | kfogel: mozilla.d.n is perhaps better. its the debian iceweasel maintainer (which is also part of the upstream team) doing regular builds |
| 01:11.11 | kfogel | stew: hmmmm. I'm always reluctant to add new lines into my sources.list, because I have to maintain it across various machines then, and it gets to be a pain. But if you think it's important to do it that way, I'm all ears... |
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| 01:12.13 | stew | kfogel: pick your poison, I suppose :) |
| 01:12.42 | kfogel | stew: I found a somewhat contrived palindrome involving both our nicks |
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| 01:14.47 | stew | kfogel: yeah? |
| 01:14.51 | kfogel | stew: "Stew wets leg of kfogel, stew wets!" ...Hmm, I guess if I had said it involves nothing *but* our nicks, that would have been more of a clue :-). |
| 01:15.16 | kfogel | stew: Sorry. You know how it is with palindromes -- you gotta go where they take you. |
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| 01:16.38 | boudiccas | how can i find out what is using so much of my cpu please, in top its showing the load as .... 35.24, 34.79, 33.82. I've closed off most of the known culprits [iceweasel/firefox and konqueror] but its still very high for a desktop machine. i dont know if its related but when i came onto the machine about half hour ago, the light on the usb external h/d was flashing showing activity when there should've been none, so i unplugged it and plugged it |
| 01:16.38 | boudiccas | back in again. although its mounted i cant access it in konqueror to check it out |
| 01:16.42 | stew | kfogel: haha |
| 01:16.52 | kfogel | stew: (relief -- he laughed, whew) |
| 01:17.29 | kfogel | boudiccas: does the load climb correlate perfectly with presence/absence of that USB h/d? |
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| 01:18.14 | boudiccas | kfogel; i dont know, it shouldve done a backup at 0000 and its now 0218 so i cant tell |
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| 01:18.44 | kfogel | boudiccas: well, the thing is either mounted or not, right? |
| 01:18.53 | boudiccas | kfogel; it is mounted |
| 01:19.02 | kfogel | boudiccas: and yuo're seeing the load issue right now? |
| 01:19.10 | boudiccas | kfogel; yes |
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| 01:19.15 | stew | boudiccas: "ps aux | awk '$8~/[DZR]/{print}'" that should tell you what is currently contributing to load |
| 01:19.29 | kfogel | boudiccas: stew knows much more about how to debug this stuff than I do -- listen to him :-) |
| 01:20.27 | kfogel | boudiccas: however, an easy test is to reboot w/o the drive and see if yuo still have the problem. If you can tie it to presence/absence of the drive, that's useful. |
| 01:20.30 | kfogel | boudiccas: what kind of machine do you have, btw? |
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| 01:20.54 | boudiccas | kfogel; just a run of th emill desktop |
| 01:21.41 | kfogel | boudiccas: mrm. well, try what stew said |
| 01:22.38 | kfogel | stew: I think when reading http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2115 one has to already know what a "channel" is for it to make sense... |
| 01:23.09 | stew | boudiccas: you might be accumuating processes in either D or Z state. D is "i'm stuck waiting on IO to complete" and Z is "i'm an undead zombie". both would contribute to load without actually using CPU |
| 01:23.43 | stew | kfogel: yeah. I don't actually understand the new firefox release model either |
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| 01:23.50 | boudiccas | stew; is there a way out of it without rebooting please? |
| 01:24.40 | stew | boudiccas: depends on what exactly the situation is |
| 01:25.19 | stew | boudiccas: processes in the D state which are waiting on IO to complete that will never complete (like, they are waiting on a USB drive that isn't coming back) will not go away. but they also won't use cpu. they will just use some memory |
| 01:25.25 | stew | others can be sorted out |
| 01:26.18 | stew | the R state is a legitimate competitor for cpu time |
| 01:26.55 | stew | you might also have lots of stuff in the D state if you have lots of processes which are all trying to use the disk at the same time, and your disk isn't fast enough to keep up |
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| 01:27.10 | boudiccas | stew; theres a lot of these ......... root 14271 0.0 0.0 2776 216 ? D Jul21 0:00 udisks-helper-ata-smart-collect /dev/sdb 1 |
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| 01:28.00 | speedrunnerG55 | Help? |
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| 01:29.17 | boudiccas | stew; just one after another all saying the same thing with the same device, so it looks like their all trying to access the usb h/d and not completing |
| 01:29.45 | stew | boudiccas: i'm not sure what that is, is /dev/sdb still attached? |
| 01:30.08 | boudiccas | stew; yes, i've replugged it back in again |
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| 01:31.06 | boudiccas | stew; and the 'in use' light is not flashing anymore, and its cooled down to its normal cool tough of the casing, which was quite warm to the touch when the light was flashing |
| 01:31.18 | boudiccas | *touch |
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| 01:32.07 | stew | if they were busy accessing the drive, then you pulled it, I believe those will be stuck in the D state forever |
| 01:32.15 | stew | dunno why you have so many though |
| 01:33.04 | boudiccas | stew; can i clear them by logging off and logging back in again? or should i reboot? |
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| 01:34.02 | stew | perhaps: |
| 01:34.05 | stew | !dbugs 576954 |
| 01:34.09 | dpkg | DONE:#576954:I[udisks] udisks: Infinite poll() in udisks makes GNOME unusable (); Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:12:01 UTC [] |
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| 01:34.32 | poopmaster | hello, what's the command to update your debian? |
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| 01:35.05 | boudiccas | poopmaster; sudo apt-get update, followed by sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 01:35.07 | stew | boudiccas: you can't clear them off. though they are probably doing no harm other than using a little memory which should mostly end up in swap |
| 01:35.20 | stew | boudiccas: what version of udisks is installed? |
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| 01:35.23 | poopmaster | boudiccas, any side effects? |
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| 01:36.16 | poopmaster | boudiccas, do you recommend using aptitude update ; aptitude dist-upgrade as shown from http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-uptodate.en.html |
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| 01:36.27 | k-man | every day I get a cron message like: Stopping amavisd: amavisd-new. Starting amavisd: amavisd-new. can I turn that off somehow? |
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| 01:37.48 | boudiccas | stew; it doesnt appear to have a udisks --version command, but its whatever comes with debian 6.02 |
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| 01:38.18 | boudiccas | poopmaster; i only use apt-get so i dont know about aptitude |
| 01:38.51 | stew | poopmaster: what version of debian are you running? |
| 01:39.08 | poopmaster | Linux server395286 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 01:39.22 | stew | poopmaster: what does "lsb_release -c" return? |
| 01:39.32 | stew | boudiccas: "dpkg -l udisks" should tell you |
| 01:39.58 | poopmaster | boudiccas, i think it should be squeeze |
| 01:40.02 | poopmaster | since its 6.0.2 |
| 01:40.39 | boudiccas | stew; udisks 1.0.1+git201006 is what it returns |
| 01:41.17 | stew | boudiccas: so yeah. this bug claims it was found in 1.0.0-1, but not fixed until 1.0.3-1, so it would affect you |
| 01:41.24 | poopmaster | root@server395286:~# apt-get upgrade | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. i guess non is needed |
| 01:41.46 | stew | poopmaster: do you have a security.debian.org line in your sources.list ? |
| 01:42.11 | poopmaster | two of it, deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main and deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 01:42.34 | boudiccas | stew; bums! so i just have to put up with it then and hope my backups go alright to the external h/d? is there no workaround please? |
| 01:43.00 | stew | boudiccas: i'm not sure. see if there are workarounds in the bug report |
| 01:43.48 | stew | poopmaster: then yes, you should be up to date |
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| 01:49.34 | poopmaster | Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20110626-16:33' |
| 01:49.42 | poopmaster | hmmm, how do i overcome this? |
| 01:50.06 | poopmaster | since its a dedi server and i am not physically there |
| 01:50.33 | plasticle | in /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out the line for the cdrom drive |
| 01:50.39 | plasticle | poopmaster |
| 01:50.57 | poopmaster | okie, i am on it, ty |
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| 01:53.57 | poopmaster | now, all i have to do is figure out how to install programs as an alternative user since i always use root :( |
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| 01:55.12 | plasticle | poopmaster: "sudo apt-get install PKG" |
| 01:55.42 | dvs | poopmaster: add that user to the sudo group |
| 01:55.49 | poopmaster | -bash: sudo: command not found :| |
| 01:55.57 | poopmaster | but apt-get install PKG works fine |
| 01:56.00 | plasticle | install sudo then |
| 01:56.31 | plasticle | if you didn't install debian with a desktop, sudo is not installed by default |
| 01:56.34 | poopmaster | sudo apt-get install PKG | E: Unable to locate package PKG |
| 01:56.49 | plasticle | pkg = package you want to install |
| 01:56.55 | poopmaster | oh |
| 01:56.58 | poopmaster | gosh lol okie |
| 01:57.24 | poopmaster | so what happens when i do sudo apt-get install pkg..what actually happens? does it install in a non root location? |
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| 01:58.38 | poopmaster | maybe i will just create a user account and install it there |
| 01:58.49 | poopmaster | hopefully the default adduser account is secure enough |
| 02:00.02 | dvs | poopmaster: it will install the files into the same place |
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| 02:02.27 | plasticle | you need to be root just to run the apt-get command |
| 02:02.36 | poopmaster | plasticle, noted |
| 02:02.50 | poopmaster | so that means if i am logged in as root |
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| 02:02.56 | poopmaster | and i cd /home/tempuser |
| 02:03.06 | poopmaster | then a sudo apt-get install mypackage |
| 02:03.12 | poopmaster | it will install in tempuser dir yeah? |
| 02:03.16 | plasticle | no |
| 02:03.24 | speedrunnerG55 | Help |
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| 02:03.48 | plasticle | as dvs noted, it installs to the same location, no matter the working directory |
| 02:04.16 | plasticle | what package are you trying to install |
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| 02:04.46 | poopmaster | plasticle, nothing in particular. i am just trying to figure out how to get things running from a non-root perspective thats all |
| 02:05.00 | poopmaster | i.e, create an account |
| 02:05.08 | poopmaster | remove the password for that account |
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| 02:05.16 | poopmaster | and run a program under the context of that account |
| 02:05.28 | dvs | poopmaster: the installer should have forced you to create a non-root account. |
| 02:05.45 | poopmaster | which installer? debian? |
| 02:05.50 | dvs | yes |
| 02:05.54 | poopmaster | dvs, nope |
| 02:05.57 | poopmaster | all i have is the root access |
| 02:06.17 | dvs | there should also be a non-root account too. |
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| 02:06.33 | poopmaster | dvs, well, i dont have it. hosting providers only provide root xs |
| 02:06.49 | dvs | oh, host provider. That changes everything. |
| 02:07.02 | poopmaster | apple iphone 5. it changes everything! |
| 02:07.07 | poopmaster | haha, i kid |
| 02:07.17 | plasticle | there's an app for that |
| 02:07.37 | poopmaster | plasticle, which is? |
| 02:07.44 | dvs | heh |
| 02:08.01 | plasticle | something for the iphone i suppose. idk. i run android |
| 02:08.11 | mns | Is anyone aware if Google is having problems or is it just Comcast being stupid and blocking access to Google ? |
| 02:08.23 | fenugreek | can't it be both =) |
| 02:08.31 | plasticle | Google's working fine here |
| 02:09.04 | plasticle | poopmaster: you are going to want to install sudo via apt-get, create a user account |
| 02:09.13 | k-man | how can I mount a smb share as a user rather than as root? |
| 02:09.23 | k-man | in my home folder |
| 02:09.26 | plasticle | sudo grants superuser permissions to regular users temporarily |
| 02:09.40 | k-man | I know sudo - I was just wondering why I can't mount it as a user |
| 02:09.52 | plasticle | sorry, that was for poopmaster |
| 02:09.58 | k-man | oh hehe |
| 02:10.00 | mns | plasticle: I tried it from my phone via 3G, and its still not responding ...gmail and google servers seem down. :( |
| 02:10.03 | poopmaster | plasticle, does that mean i have to login as the non-root user via SSH? |
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| 02:10.16 | poopmaster | then do my stuff etc |
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| 02:10.26 | poopmaster | but usually most of the time, root access is not needed |
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| 02:10.33 | poopmaster | unless drastic changes is needed to the system |
| 02:10.40 | poopmaster | like installing of packages etc |
| 02:10.58 | poopmaster | but compiling sources and stuff shouldnt be an issue if installed into the local dir, correct? |
| 02:11.06 | plasticle | poopmaster: that is correct, but with sudo, you shouldn't have to login as root at all |
| 02:11.11 | plasticle | that is correct |
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| 02:11.39 | plasticle | mns: i got nothing, comcast seems terrible |
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| 02:18.25 | boudiccas | stew; i've found a workround to that bug #576954 which isnt ideal but worked for me, and that was to reboot. i tried logging off and restarting x but that did nothing so i tried rebooting and that seems to have cleared it for the present |
| 02:20.49 | plasticle | k-man: i'm not that good at smb, have you tried different options in the smb.conf |
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| 02:21.23 | k-man | plasticle, i've decided just to set it up in /etc/fstab |
| 02:21.28 | k-man | just battling that now :) |
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| 02:27.28 | stew | boudiccas: no, that bug was about your stuck processes. the bug was probably why you had these things spinning your usb in the first place. your stuck processes were because you pulled the usb while these things were busy with it |
| 02:27.38 | stew | boudiccas: i expect it might return until you disable udisks |
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| 02:28.07 | ChrisPartridge | Is there anywhere I can download the 6.0.1a 32 iso? Or do all mirrors only contain the latest? |
| 02:29.08 | fenugreek | ChrisPartridge: what for? =) |
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| 02:29.43 | boudiccas | stew; is udisks needed, i.e. can i use my external h/d without it? |
| 02:29.56 | ChrisPartridge | fenugreek: having issues with latest, installing even build-essential was failing after a complete base install? |
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| 02:30.41 | stew | boudiccas: i don't know what udisks does. |
| 02:31.25 | vanguard | Hi! I have written a program and build a debian package for it. What do I have to do to get it into the debian repo? |
| 02:31.25 | boudiccas | stew; ah right, i'll have to google when i get time and see if i can disable it with no hit on performance |
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| 02:31.45 | boudiccas | stew; thanks for the help and support ;) |
| 02:31.49 | stew | :) |
| 02:32.38 | stew | vanguard: find a sponsor. if the package is in good shape (it should pass all lintian tests, for instance). you might start looking for a sponsor. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors is a common place |
| 02:32.54 | stew | vanguard: have you filed an ITP? is the source available somewhere? |
| 02:33.23 | vanguard | stew: I think we talked about this before. The source is a http://launchpad.net/jscribble |
| 02:33.42 | plasticle | ChrisPartridge: you can find livecd isos of 6.0.1 at debian.org |
| 02:34.28 | vanguard | I have not filed an ITP since it is my own software and it is debian native |
| 02:34.58 | stew | you should have filed an ITP |
| 02:35.08 | ChrisPartridge | plasticle: I also see that on my local mirror, I can still install to the disk from the live iso? |
| 02:35.25 | vanguard | stew: so I file an ITP and then write to the mentors list? |
| 02:35.57 | plasticle | ChrisPartridge: yes, either from the desktop or through a boot option i think |
| 02:36.26 | stew | vanguard: yes. did you fix the security problem? does it pass lintian? |
| 02:37.22 | ChrisPartridge | plasticle: Thank you |
| 02:37.38 | plasticle | ChrisPartridge: no prob |
| 02:38.00 | vanguard | stew: it passes lintian, I was not able to fix the security problen yet since javas abilities to change permissions did not do what I wanted |
| 02:38.16 | stew | vanguard: then don't look for sponsors yet |
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| 02:38.27 | vanguard | stew: I was just thinking that instead of using /tmp I could just use a ~/.jscribble_temp |
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| 02:38.48 | vanguard | stew: that should take care of it then, I think. Because user directories should be non-readable |
| 02:38.57 | stew | they aren't by default on debian |
| 02:39.08 | stew | they are readable by default that is |
| 02:39.36 | stew | but writable is the bigger problem with your current code. it allows one to overwrite arbitrary files with someone elses credentials |
| 02:40.07 | vanguard | so the destination is not really the thing. They just have to be 600 |
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| 02:41.07 | stew | you can't open a file with a predictable name in a world writable directory and start writing to it |
| 02:41.13 | qq28 | What font do I have to install to get the look of disapproval? |
| 02:41.52 | vanguard | stew: The names are jscibble-very_long_unique_number.png. That should not be predictable |
| 02:42.38 | stew | oh I thought you were writing to a predictable log file name or somehting |
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| 02:44.01 | fenugreek | qq28: something with arabic chars |
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| 02:47.38 | alazare619 | ok im having an issue with xfce i dont have the shared folders icon under applications > system > shared folder and im trying to setup a few folders to share over smb any ideas nothign complex |
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| 02:59.06 | vanguard | stew: it is jscribble-3810633776169538176.log and 644 |
| 02:59.27 | vanguard | stew: and the pictures are jscribble-3435314440694928137.png and 600 |
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| 03:11.05 | vanguard | stew: so I think I fixed the security issue. Now I should file an ITP and post on the mentors list? |
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| 03:11.34 | mplabs | Hey guys! |
| 03:12.04 | mplabs | I'm trying to use UIM but it's impossible. I already installed it from my repos and I installed uim0anthy as well but I can't find the way to make it use anthy |
| 03:12.46 | mplabs | it doesn't appear in the input method list even though it does appear in the configuration panel |
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| 03:13.26 | mplabs | any idea? |
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| 03:19.02 | lethalduck | Where does debian store it's logs for shutdown? |
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| 03:20.08 | mns | lethalduck: /var/log/messages ? |
| 03:20.30 | lethalduck | doesn't seem to exist mns |
| 03:20.43 | mplabs | lethalduck, /var/log/syslog |
| 03:20.47 | mplabs | I believe |
| 03:21.14 | lethalduck | Ok, I thought it may have been one of those. I'll sift through it.... thanks |
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| 03:21.38 | z0mbi3 | hey everyone |
| 03:22.06 | z0mbi3 | im rather new to debian, and have encountered a problem |
| 03:22.19 | z0mbi3 | my xfce installation doesn't detect external monitor |
| 03:22.37 | z0mbi3 | but still works |
| 03:22.53 | z0mbi3 | i wanted to set 2 motiors up to act like one but can't seem to figure out how to do it |
| 03:22.56 | z0mbi3 | any tips? |
| 03:23.52 | fenugreek | z0mbi3: which GPU? |
| 03:24.45 | z0mbi3 | how can i find that out? |
| 03:25.15 | chrissbx | Hello. Youtube is now delivering webm by default (to youtube-dl, anyway), how do you watch that on stable? |
| 03:26.04 | chrissbx | (Haven't found a good hint with google) |
| 03:26.26 | fenugreek | if it's not in mplayer/vlc/xine stable, you'll have to get a newer version/player |
| 03:26.34 | chrissbx | (Debian specific, that is; I'd much prefer not to recompile new stuff from source.) |
| 03:26.58 | chrissbx | I'd be ok with recompiling debs from testing; |
| 03:27.02 | chrissbx | but which ones? |
| 03:27.38 | chrissbx | I prefer mplayer, but it's probably in some dependency. |
| 03:28.15 | fenugreek | libvpx |
| 03:29.02 | chrissbx | hm, I've got that installed, "VP8 video codec" |
| 03:29.04 | vanguard | so what happens when you use IE or Safari to go on YouTube now? |
| 03:29.10 | fenugreek | Firefox 4 might be able to play them directly |
| 03:29.22 | chrissbx | hm checking |
| 03:29.27 | lethalduck | Looks like debian server has /var/log/messages |
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| 03:29.55 | chrissbx | well how would you get iceweasel 4 ? :). |
| 03:30.01 | vanguard | firefox 3.5 came with Theora, not sure about WebM |
| 03:30.10 | chrissbx | That's going to be even more work than mplayer I guess. |
| 03:30.17 | fenugreek | I guess so |
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| 03:31.10 | chrissbx | iceweasel 3.5 on youtube asks for flash. |
| 03:31.15 | chrissbx | (which I don't have) |
| 03:32.45 | fenugreek | what drew libvpx in? |
| 03:32.47 | fenugreek | ffmpeg? |
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| 03:32.53 | plasticle | chrissbx: you could try chrome straight from google, the .deb installs rather easy, and then it is up to date from google |
| 03:33.36 | plasticle | there is always one dependancy issue that a "apt-get -f install" fixes for me |
| 03:34.33 | plasticle | you could also install flashplugin-nonfree out of the repos |
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| 03:35.25 | s3a | My squeeze installation works with wireless but not wired internet! |
| 03:36.10 | s3a | What can I do to make it work? (It seems to connect perfectly when I insert the wired ethernet cable and claims to be using the r8169 driver but actually trying to go to a website fails even after doing dhclient) |
| 03:36.11 | s3a | . |
| 03:36.27 | chrissbx | fenugreek: chromium-browser |
| 03:36.44 | s3a | amd64 (I think it happens on both kernels but right now I am using 2.6.38 from backports rather than 2.6.32 from the regular repositories). |
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| 03:39.11 | Arrowmaster | s3a: i think r8169 is the one with at least 4 different revisions, a and b work fine but for c and d you need nonfree firmware |
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| 03:40.03 | s3a | Arrowmaster, which non-free firmware do i need? |
| 03:40.06 | s3a | what's the package name? |
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| 03:41.39 | plasticle | s3a: apt-cache search r8169 |
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| 03:43.41 | s3a | Arrowmaster, plasticle is it normal for it to seemingly connect properly even if it has missing firmware? |
| 03:43.58 | s3a | (i'm talking about the little animated icon of gnome's network manager applet) |
| 03:44.34 | s3a | Arrowmaster, plasticle also apt-cache search r8169 says firmware-realtek which I already have installed |
| 03:45.03 | plasticle | s3a: it's not unheard of to have that connection error |
| 03:45.21 | s3a | plasticle, what's "that connection error"? |
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| 03:45.36 | plasticle | where it looks like it connects but it's not |
| 03:45.43 | rich0_ | Any word on when linux-image-3.0.0 will hit mirrors? |
| 03:45.45 | plasticle | i don't know the solution offhand |
| 03:46.09 | plasticle | rich0_: yeah, when wheezy hits stable :P |
| 03:46.25 | rich0_ | plasticle: Thanks :P |
| 03:46.57 | stew | rich0_: about a month and a half ago |
| 03:47.07 | rich0_ | stew: I meant the release, not an RC |
| 03:47.19 | rich0_ | and the kbuild and related that comes with |
| 03:47.58 | stew | then no |
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| 03:48.34 | stew | its just going to be a matter of waiting for the maintainer to have time to build and upload it |
| 03:48.53 | stew | vanguard: sure |
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| 03:51.52 | vanguard | stew: so /tmp with 600 is safe? |
| 03:52.24 | stew | vanguard: i think you should be creating ~/.jscribble |
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| 03:52.32 | stew | and make sure to clean up tmp files there |
| 03:52.42 | Ox41 | whoah what did I miss? |
| 03:53.28 | vanguard | stew: you mean that I should put the tempfiles in the local user directory? They all get deleted after you exit the program as of right now |
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| 03:56.14 | Ox41 | Oh, i wasnt connected. My tmp dir is full, what do, #debian? http://pastebin.com/4bWrbPJd |
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| 03:59.18 | mplabs | where are defined the environment variables? |
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| 03:59.44 | mplabs | I can't find where "XMODIFIERS="@im=uim"" is defined |
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| 04:01.12 | vanguard | Ox41: you can empty it by deleting all files in it |
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| 04:03.24 | Ox41 | .... is that a bad idea tho? |
| 04:03.30 | Ox41 | Im doing this because im getting a mysql error... |
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| 04:04.53 | Lost_Cause | i just install debian on my new laptop but i can't seem to find or remember how to get a free version of firefox on it. |
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| 04:05.26 | fenugreek | Lost_Cause: it's called iceweasel |
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| 04:07.59 | plasticle | all versions of firefox are free |
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| 04:08.28 | marrichii | algum BR ai ? |
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| 04:09.14 | marrichii | qual arquitetura do debian eu devo baixar para instalar em um core i7 ? |
| 04:09.35 | naptastic | marrichii, x86_64 |
| 04:10.17 | marrichii | naptastic: seria o amd64 correto?? ou ia64 ?? |
| 04:10.31 | Lost_Cause | fenugreek: its just not the same. And I hate the fact that it stays so far behind |
| 04:10.39 | naptastic | marrichii, amd64, lo siento |
| 04:11.10 | marrichii | naptastic: ok mto obrigado.... ja vou baixar o amd64 agora msm =D |
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| 04:11.27 | fenugreek | Lost_Cause: your'e right it's not the same, it's maintained |
| 04:11.37 | naptastic | marrichii, =D |
| 04:11.41 | plasticle | lol |
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| 04:12.31 | naptastic | I understand that kpkg got changed sometime recently, and it's making my kernel not compile with this error: dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-3.0.0-rc7-rt0 not in control info |
| 04:12.35 | naptastic | How do I fix it? |
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| 04:14.21 | plasticle | naptastic: is it because you are using a 3.0 kernel? |
| 04:15.07 | naptastic | plasticle, well, I *am* using a 3.0 kernel, but I don't know if that's what's causing the problem. |
| 04:15.34 | fenugreek | do you know why you're using linux 3 ? |
| 04:16.48 | plasticle | nothing in debian supports the 3.0 kernel as far as i am aware |
| 04:17.32 | plasticle | i mean you cant get it through regular debian channels... ergo... |
| 04:17.38 | naptastic | plasticle, fenugreek, I'm trying to compile 3.0 from source. I've done this before with other kernels... |
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| 04:18.11 | kgoetz | naptastic: surely the error explains what the problem is? |
| 04:18.18 | naptastic | I got 3.0.0-rc7 from kernel.org and the -rt patch from Thomas Gleixner's site, it patched cleanly, and now it *almost* compiles, but fails something to do with kpkg |
| 04:18.28 | bolong7 | kernel 3.0 available in experimental repository afaik |
| 04:18.37 | naptastic | kgoetz, You must be a noob, thinking an error message under Linux is ever helpful. ;-) |
| 04:19.02 | kgoetz | naptastic: have you considered using the kernels own make pkg-deb? |
| 04:19.03 | fenugreek | naptastic: that doesn't explain _why_ =P |
| 04:19.38 | kgoetz | aiui that is the recommended way to diy kernelsnow |
| 04:20.02 | naptastic | fenugreek, oh! Sorry, I didn't read your question correctly. I want to try the new -rt patch Gleixner just pushed out the door. It needs testing and I wanna test it... |
| 04:20.10 | somiaj | naptastic: your using fakeroot so you can actually build the package? |
| 04:20.18 | naptastic | kgoetz, I hadn't; I wasn't aware that existed. |
| 04:20.21 | fenugreek | naptastic: you admirable person you |
| 04:20.39 | naptastic | somiaj, yes, fakeroot is in play here... |
| 04:20.55 | somiaj | naptastic: did I miss you actually pasting the error you get from make-kpkg? |
| 04:21.15 | naptastic | somiaj, yeah, here it is: dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-3.0.0-rc7-rt0 not in control info |
| 04:22.05 | naptastic | I considered just doing make; sudo make install, and then cleaning up the subsequent mess, but it's such a mess... |
| 04:22.06 | TBotNik__ | All: have a wireless config issue. Was on DT, which is Ubuntu 10.04, sorry no one on the Ubuntu channel with network savy, and have this network in remote bldg. Anyway was trying to config NIC to be DHCP server. This remote network connects via high gain wireless connect, DLink card and high gain antenna. So in the middle of installing dhcpd and dnsmasq, I restarted the network and blew up with errors, and could not get back on. |
| 04:22.06 | kgoetz | naptastic: the target might be deb-pkg, not pkg-deb |
| 04:22.20 | somiaj | naptastic: did you check the control file? maybe you just need add the -rt0 to the right lines |
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| 04:22.55 | naptastic | somiaj, what's the control file? I don't know that much about compiling kernels; I've just followed instructions a few times and had it work. |
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| 04:23.13 | kgoetz | well, afk. i've made my suggestions ;) |
| 04:23.22 | naptastic | kgoetz, thanks :-) |
| 04:24.03 | somiaj | naptastic: this isn't to do with the kernel at all, its to do with the debian packaging, all the files are located in debian/ directory, so check the debian/control file, its what its complainig about |
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| 04:24.23 | kgoetz | naptastic: np |
| 04:24.23 | TBotNik__ | network config files. Edited /etc/network/interfaces, removing the static IPs set by the dhcpd install, and network came back with no errors. However the Wireless D-Link card still would not connect. What do I need to look at to fix this. Already did uninstall on the dnsmasq and dhcpd. What next? |
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| 04:24.33 | somiaj | naptastic: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html |
| 04:24.51 | naptastic | somiaj, thank you! I knew it had to do with packaging, which is why I asked here... |
| 04:24.54 | naptastic | goes to read... |
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| 04:25.50 | somiaj | naptastic: I'd do a grep linux-image-3.0.0-rc7 debian/contorl -- my guess is your patch and/or auto generation didn't add the -rt0 lines to the depends/package names in that file |
| 04:26.14 | naptastic | does so |
| 04:26.24 | TBotNik__ | All: really not sure where the config file for the DLink card is. Showing up as wlan0 in the Network Manager. |
| 04:26.30 | naptastic | somiaj, indeed, that's exactly what happened! |
| 04:26.58 | TBotNik__ | All: at least it is working under this liveCD |
| 04:27.01 | naptastic | TBotNik__, with Network Manager, cards don't really have config files anymore... |
| 04:27.03 | somiaj | naptastic: I'm no matainer (nor expert) but my guess is just modifity that file and try again -- :D |
| 04:27.19 | somiaj | also nm will ignore cards with expliting interfaces settings. |
| 04:28.21 | naptastic | Yes it will! Also, it kills bridges on sight and screws with other bits of configuration unless you set them +i. |
| 04:28.27 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: But something is keeping it from connecting and at this point I do not know either what to look at, install or de-install to get it going again. |
| 04:29.31 | naptastic | TBotNik__, when you say it's not connecting, do you mean the wireless link is not connecting? |
| 04:29.33 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: My wlan0 shows, I click it, the profile boots, but never connects. That is one the HD boot, but here on the liveCD working fine. |
| 04:30.28 | naptastic | TBotNik__, so you can get a wireless connection using the live CD but not booting from your hard disk? |
| 04:30.35 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Is there a definative HOWTO that shows this issue in particular, so I can "step-by-step" on it and debug or fix it? |
| 04:30.54 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Yup you got it |
| 04:31.22 | somiaj | did you install the non-free firmware packages? |
| 04:31.23 | naptastic | TBotNik__, I'm not aware of a how-to for this... lemme think... |
| 04:31.54 | somiaj | TBotNik__: check dmesg // see if you see any errors about loading firmware (or any errors at all) |
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| 04:31.58 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: An it is afterhours so have no physical access to main warehouse, 2 miles away. an Boss want this fixed tonight. No pressure LOL!! |
| 04:33.15 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: I about thought I had the DHCP server working right, checked and recheck before giving the network the "restart" but crash city and hurting right now. |
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| 04:34.31 | naptastic | rubs his temples |
| 04:34.48 | Ox40 | rubs naptastic's temples |
| 04:34.58 | naptastic | o.O |
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| 04:35.10 | TBotNik__ | I had done a lot of the work on DHCPD, but when it didn't work, I asked for help and was suggested I use DNSMASQ. That is where my mistake was. I do not know how to use that, so was relying on someone else. Big MISTAKE |
| 04:35.42 | Ox40 | lol |
| 04:35.46 | naptastic | TBotNik__, when you say dhcpd "didn't work," what **exactly** didn't work about it? Be very precise. |
| 04:36.57 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: What GREP filter do I need on this? TMI |
| 04:37.29 | somiaj | TBotNik__: errors should be near the end, they will appear there as you try to bring up the device. |
| 04:37.38 | somiaj | but 'firmware' could be one thing |
| 04:38.01 | boudiccas | how can i, as user, rename /usr/bin/udisks when its owned by root please? |
| 04:38.47 | somiaj | boudiccas: as a user without root privaglges you cannot. You need to have root privalges to play with that file.....why do you need to rename it? |
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| 04:39.56 | boudiccas | somiaj; because of bug #576954 that hit me last night and took the cpu load up to 36.9! |
| 04:40.44 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: K, but I am up on live cd which has no errors and working fine. I get the errors when I boot from HD, which I then can not connect, so cannot pass you any errors. So how do I debug from this liveCD to the production on HD? |
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| 04:41.42 | somiaj | boudiccas: seems they fixed the bug, why not install the fixed package -- assuming this is a sid system? |
| 04:42.03 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: If I remember correctly we have to somehow mount the HD, then look into it's error logs. Man have not done that is ages, so walk me through it. |
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| 04:42.19 | somiaj | TBotNik__: you can't really do that...but one common error is not installing the non-free firmware packages which are included by default on the live cd |
| 04:42.45 | somiaj | TBotNik__: but yes, you'll have to boot up off the hd, and check this stuff, write it dow, copy/paste it to a file you can then read/paste when you come back |
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| 04:43.36 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: is there a way to safeboot, the HD, then import and load the networking from the liveCD? |
| 04:43.44 | boudiccas | somiaj; no, this is squeezy |
| 04:44.04 | somiaj | TBotNik__: since its not an hardware issue, its software issue. |
| 04:44.28 | somiaj | TBotNik__: so go figure out which pice of software // config option your missing -- but I'm done until you can verify you have the correct firmware installed |
| 04:44.39 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: I never served up IPs like it is supposed to |
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| 04:45.32 | boudiccas | somiaj; i'm sticking with stable whilst i learn my way around debian. but is there a way in which i can get just the one deb [udisks.deb] and nothing else without compromising my stable setup please? |
| 04:46.08 | ham5 | updated to sids gnome-utils, open a new log file in the log viewr it will crash but restart it the file is there |
| 04:46.47 | subuser | lol |
| 04:46.49 | subuser | nice bug |
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| 04:47.04 | somiaj | boudiccas: yea, just surprised that bug made it into stable in the first place and it hasn't been also fixed there. but yes you have to be root to remove/move that file. |
| 04:47.24 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: No not a firmware issue, unless the un-installs ripped out some of it. See know it is at the config file level but just do not know what file is involved. The network restart errors I was getting, until I edited /etc/network/interface were: No IP address found or hostname DFS root not started. |
| 04:47.25 | somiaj | ham5: so you installed a package from sid on a stable system? |
| 04:47.31 | ham5 | no not a nice bug:( |
| 04:47.37 | somiaj | TBotNik__: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 04:47.49 | ham5 | i use run sid |
| 04:47.54 | ham5 | use/run |
| 04:48.32 | somiaj | ham5: ok you just made it sound like you ran a different version but installed a sid libary...read the /topic, goto #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 04:48.47 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: Then when I commented out the static IP stuff in the /etc/network/interfaces file, the network restarted without errors, but now have this "doesn't connect" problem and do not know where to look. |
| 04:48.57 | ham5 | naaa ill stay here thanks |
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| 04:49.22 | nyov | hi. I'm looking for older releases of LLVM. specifically llvm-2.5 debs. any place I could still find these? |
| 04:49.35 | boudiccas | whats the emac keypresses for deleting a file please? CTRL -X and what? |
| 04:49.37 | somiaj | ham5: so when there is a whole channel set up for testing/unstable support you wll stay in a stable support chan. sounds reasonable |
| 04:49.59 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: I stated Ubuntu, and would be on there channel, but no one there with network experience so got no response. Know U is Debian based so turned here |
| 04:50.09 | somiaj | nyov: you can check archive.debian.org I think all older stables are stored there for historical resources |
| 04:50.43 | somiaj | TBotNik__: ubuntu is not debian, and core stuff such as how it handels networking/fireware could be enough different you should really get support there. |
| 04:50.46 | Talon_ | is there a way to get X to boot into some kinda fallback mode? I just bought a new gfx card and gdm fails |
| 04:51.09 | somiaj | Talon_: you can disable gdm temerally until you get it configured right |
| 04:51.25 | somiaj | Talon_: though you'll have to make sure you only boot up into single user mode -- (foret how)? |
| 04:51.32 | Talon_ | i dunno how to configure it right without synaptic :P |
| 04:52.08 | somiaj | Talon_: update-rc.d gdm disable will disable it if you can get into a root console. |
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| 04:52.16 | ham5 | noob |
| 04:52.20 | nyov | somiaj: problem is, it never was part of a stable release. lenny has llvm 2.2, squeeze got 2.6 |
| 04:52.20 | ham5 | ;) |
| 04:52.46 | subuser | you can try hitting ctrl+alt+f1, logging in as root then changing to runlevel 1 or 2 (no x) i think those are it, with init 1 |
| 04:52.59 | subuser | then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might set it up properly |
| 04:53.02 | somiaj | nyov: then you'll have to dig, or just compile your own debian pacakge from the source version you want. |
| 04:53.24 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: on the HW vs SW issue + firmware, made no changes in firmware or drivers during this. Only un-installed both DHCPD and DNSMASQ since they were involved in my errors, hoping that would restore me and I could get connected again. This liveCD was last ditch effort. Was on ##linux channel, relaying through a friend but was not getting anywhere through them. |
| 04:54.03 | Talon_ | ugh, guess im gonna try to figure lynx, i just need the right nvidia driver pkg for this card i bet. |
| 04:54.23 | ham5 | your right talon |
| 04:54.30 | ham5 | view your logs |
| 04:54.47 | Talon_ | i suck at aptitude, this things junk |
| 04:54.51 | ham5 | always switch to that spare tty to use term |
| 04:55.21 | Talon_ | i did |
| 04:55.21 | TBotNik__ | somiaj, naptastic: sorry I'm a pain tonite, just really desperate. Boss was supposed to get me Clear for my laptop, so I could connect there, but he's and SOB and that was promised me over a month ago. |
| 04:55.36 | boudiccas | Talon_; use apt-get then, its simpler |
| 04:56.01 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: If it was your server what would you do? |
| 04:56.10 | somiaj | TBotNik__: join #ubuntu if you are using ubuntu. wiki.debian.org has some nice wifi info for debian that may or may not apply. |
| 04:56.11 | subuser | if you need nvidia driver's and these open source alternative's don't work, there is a simple install process you can do for nvidia drivers |
| 04:56.18 | somiaj | TBotNik__: not run ubuntu on it. |
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| 04:56.25 | subuser | i had no trouble with the open source ones |
| 04:56.43 | somiaj | though the version availiable in stable may be to old for the top of line nvidia cards. |
| 04:56.52 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: No choice when you inherit them, you know LOL :) :) |
| 04:57.09 | somiaj | but yes the -dkms packages have really made the nvidia drivers far easier to handel |
| 04:57.36 | somiaj | TBotNik__: I would go read the logs, check the errors, use google for the errors until I tracked down the problem. |
| 04:58.03 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: Tell you how messed this guy is, got 4 win servers, one CentOS with TRIX PBX, one openSuse with VICIdial and a bunch of other crap |
| 04:58.44 | somiaj | TBotNik__: #not-debian for ranting...but take a break, a breather come back fiddle around. |
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| 04:59.51 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: Ur right, I'm having a panic attack!! |
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| 05:00.21 | Miesco | What package has mkisofs |
| 05:01.02 | TBotNik__ | somiaj, naptastic: Reasked my Q on #Ubuntu but no help. I'll take a breather by looking at and reading HOWTOs, UGH! |
| 05:01.30 | somiaj | Miesco: use apt-file to search for that |
| 05:01.40 | somiaj | Miesco: or packages.debian.org -- but its now called genisofs |
| 05:02.05 | naptastic | TBotNik__, I'm thinking about it, and I don't think it's possible to serve DHCP over a wireless link the way you're trying to... |
| 05:02.42 | naptastic | TBotNik__, because you'd have to route those packets to get them through your wireless segment, and DHCP doesn't route... |
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| 05:03.25 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: No not trying to use the wireless to serve DHCP, it is outside inet and network link, the Wire NIC is where I was applying the DHCP server. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 05:04.46 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Have five servers that are supposed to be connecting through this box, to the network and boss would not spend money for wired connect, so we are wireless. |
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| 05:05.42 | TBotNik__ | somiaj. naptastic: Sorry about being vague, was not meaning to be. |
| 05:06.14 | naptastic | TBotNik__, your boss sounds like a dumbass. You should tell him this is the level of performance he can expect for being cheap... then start applying for other jobs. ;-) |
| 05:06.22 | TBotNik__ | You know it is in my head, but putting it in writing so you understand is not always easy!! LOl |
| 05:06.49 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: I already have, on the Jobs that is |
| 05:07.24 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Just nothing has jumped up and bit me yet, but have a couple of nibbles |
| 05:07.43 | naptastic | TBotNik__, sorry I'm not more help :-) I'm about to fall asleep at this desk... |
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| 05:08.21 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Put the res on DICE this morning and already 4 nibbles, hoping to get one soon, will be good raise in pay rate. |
| 05:09.02 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Understand, I would be too, if I was not panicing!! |
| 05:09.13 | naptastic | TBotNik__, nice! Good luck with everything! I'm trying to change career paths myself right now, but with no degree and limited experience, it's tough... |
| 05:09.38 | rich0_ | naptastic: I have no degree and I'm only 21 |
| 05:09.41 | rich0_ | just market yourself well |
| 05:09.51 | Miesco | somiaj: thanks |
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| 05:11.09 | naptastic | rich0_, where are you located? |
| 05:11.21 | TBotNik__ | But right experience and you go through, I figured out one 2day. Had too many blanks in the res because of BlackOps and proprietary gigs I could not talk about, so put in generic "Black Ops" entries and now I'm a man of entrigue |
| 05:11.24 | rich0_ | naptastic: australia. |
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| 05:12.16 | naptastic | rich0_, can I marry you so I can emigrate? This place (the US) is a circus. |
| 05:12.28 | rich0_ | naptastic: sure why not. |
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| 05:12.31 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: I also have no degree, but will not say about any other, else I might expose too much. |
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| 05:12.55 | naptastic | TBotNik__, probably better that way ;-) |
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| 05:13.19 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Just search my Real Name on Google, over 3M hits (Nyle Davis), enough said |
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| 05:14.08 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: Sorry for ranting! |
| 05:14.37 | naptastic | TBotNik__, oh, but you're a seasoned man! I've had but the slightest chance to make my mark on the world... |
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| 05:17.34 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: The glory days are gone. At one time they paid me $250/hr, but I'm lucky now if I get $25, but market is starting up for us. IT was first to go down, in 2000, an is now the first going up. Will take 5 years for the rest of the economy to follow us. Always has. |
| 05:19.51 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Had to lay off all my people but one, and he freelances more than work for me, but we still do things together, but I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel now, so rejoice the recovery, for us is not far off. |
| 05:21.09 | TBotNik__ | somiaj naptastic: Have not found any good HOWTOs on this yet. |
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| 05:23.06 | naptastic | TBotNik__, unless the republicans have their way... in which case we'll all be living in squalor forever. |
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| 05:25.53 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Sorry you've been misinformed. Both Republican and Democrats are property of the lobbies and vote for either is throwing away your vote. |
| 05:26.16 | TBotNik__ | not a pennies diff between the 2. |
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| 05:26.51 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Thought you were overseas? |
| 05:26.59 | rich0_ | Why are political discussions taking place in #debian ? |
| 05:27.05 | naptastic | TBotNik__, I'm not quite ready to be that cynical... we still have Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders, after all... but I'm about to become a single issue voter: whoever will raise taxes, I will vote for, no matter what. |
| 05:27.38 | naptastic | TBotNik__, I wish!! I'd love to jump ship and swim to Australia. The men there are attractive and [I should probably censor the rest of this.] |
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| 05:28.13 | kgoetz | fwiw, australia has its problems (i agree this should be in #politics though :)) |
| 05:28.40 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Didn't you say australia, Oh I see you were punning rich0 |
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| 05:29.05 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: What? Where I'm from is not in any way relevant. Just like this discussion. |
| 05:29.11 | naptastic | well, the entire English-speaking world has been infected with this disgusting Reagan / Thatcher disease... |
| 05:29.24 | TBotNik__ | naptastic: Good for u. A littel discipline goes a long way. LOL :) |
| 05:29.55 | naptastic | rich0_, you said you're in Australia, and I asked if I could marry you so I can emigrate ;-D |
| 05:30.55 | kgoetz | o.0 |
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| 05:32.21 | x1631f | How can I access shared files on WinXP guest using the default NAT network? |
| 05:33.07 | x1631f | Access it from a Debian host, Debian->XP and not XP->Samba on Debian.. |
| 05:33.33 | x1631f | I can't ping 10.0.2.15 |
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| 05:35.25 | b3hnam | What is the relation between ACPI and USB port ?! My function keys did not work and I connected a usb hard disk and it solved |
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| 05:36.55 | mooglenorph | Hi. I |
| 05:37.24 | mooglenorph | 'm looking for a way to auto-save files and file revision history across most of my applications. |
| 05:38.13 | mooglenorph | If I can't do that, is there some sort of "personal" revision control software I could use on my home directory? |
| 05:38.18 | TBotNik__ | somiaj naptastic: I may have found what I need in: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470618 Still reading it but there is the mount for the HDD and he is talking about manually connecting the WiFi, so if it works I'm home. Need to reduce it to text file and print before attempting reboot, in case I get stuck. |
| 05:38.41 | naptastic | TBotNik__, that's thinkin' ahead!! |
| 05:38.47 | lolcat | Hello |
| 05:38.55 | mooglenorph | I don't need anything like git (which I use for software) because the revision control could be drastically simplified by assuming that there's only one user (ie, me). |
| 05:39.11 | lolcat | A bad drive, a lot of I/O erroors, and media errors, I want to get ONE file, any advice? |
| 05:39.21 | lolcat | It is sort of keeping my computer from booting |
| 05:40.06 | naptastic | lolcat, Retrieve it from your most recent backup! |
| 05:40.33 | jmarsden | lolcat: image the drive using ddrescue... you'll get one file.. the image file :) |
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| 05:42.16 | lolcat | But debian gives me a bunch of drive errors when booting from a usb stick |
| 05:42.28 | lolcat | Then freezes at starting init something |
| 05:42.59 | lolcat | naptastic: Old drive, and my backups are encrypted |
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| 05:43.28 | jmarsden | lolcat: Boot from a debian live cd, use whatever tools you like to image the failing drive to a known good drive... then you have an image (some of whcih may be garbage) to play with knowing you will not see more I/O errors etc etc. |
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| 05:44.22 | lolcat | But the liveusb won't boot it just shows a bunch of drive related errors, logical blocks and such |
| 05:44.38 | naptastic | lolcat, you made a backup that can't be decrypted? Why'd you do that? (Did you at least put the encryption key in the backup before encrypting it?) |
| 05:45.34 | lolcat | naptastic: I thougth it would be bad if someone found my files |
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| 05:46.13 | naptastic | lolcat, that's good thinking, but if you can't access them either, doesn't it defeat the purpose of having the backup? |
| 05:46.36 | rich0_ | naptastic: he probably slept a lot better between making the backups and whenever he realised they were useless |
| 05:47.02 | lolcat | naptastic: well, I would remember the password, but it is a while ago. And the files isn't THAT important. |
| 05:47.15 | naptastic | rolls his eyes |
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| 06:06.41 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: C naptastic went away, can not get the chroot in the HOWTO working, keep asking for filesystem type, but have no idea, so now looking for what default is for debian/ubuntu |
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| 06:09.06 | FybonaX | hi |
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| 06:13.50 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: it will mount as ext4 |
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| 06:26.45 | doomfinger | I'm using fluxbox. All my gtk fonts are huge. How would I go about fixing this? |
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| 06:27.12 | rich0_ | gtk-font-name="Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 10" |
| 06:27.19 | rich0_ | doomfinger: that's in my .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 06:27.24 | rich0_ | You probably need to adjust yours |
| 06:27.41 | gnarface | $ cat ~/.gtkrc-2.0.mine |
| 06:27.46 | gnarface | gtk-font-name = "Bitstream Vera Sans 8" |
| 06:27.52 | gnarface | gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs" |
| 06:27.54 | rich0_ | oh and maybe the font_name element in the style "user-font" stanza |
| 06:27.55 | gnarface | gtk-fallback-icon-theme = "Tango" |
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| 06:29.10 | doomfinger | k, I'll try. |
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| 06:29.19 | gnarface | doomfinger: also its common for your DPI to be incorrect in X, which might skew stuff in certain cases too |
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| 06:29.57 | gnarface | doomfinger: you do not have to relog. once you make the change to the file any program you start after that should obey the change instantly |
| 06:30.08 | doomfinger | k, thanks |
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| 06:33.29 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: Tried that and got an error on it. look at my post at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804424 I know the command is different for the ext4 but when I put that in where "auto" is I just get the help file. |
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| 06:33.52 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: mount -t ext4 [device] [mountpoint] |
| 06:33.58 | doomfinger | I did the .gtkrc-2.0 thing to no effect. |
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| 06:34.11 | rich0_ | doomfinger: what did you put in there? |
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| 06:34.28 | rich0_ | doomfinger: if you copied our entries.. do you have bitstream vera installed? |
| 06:34.34 | Talon_ | ok, does squeeze just not support this gfx card? I got an nvidia geforce gt 430 |
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| 06:35.19 | doomfinger | rich0_: nope. lol. |
| 06:35.27 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /media/version just gives me the help page |
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| 06:35.44 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: t should give you an error first |
| 06:36.01 | rich0_ | doomfinger: I'm no expert but that could definitely be a factor. |
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| 06:36.34 | jeybop | hi |
| 06:37.33 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: I get: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2, |
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| 06:37.51 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: /proc/partitions and fdisk -l |
| 06:37.58 | rich0_ | i think one of them should have some idea of what's going on |
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| 06:39.07 | jeybop | I want to reuse the /home partition in a new debian installation (this /home has been used in a testing debian, and I am going to install an old-stable one). Is it enough to copy /etc/passwd? Do I have to pay attention about something in /etc/passwd? |
| 06:39.26 | doomfinger | The only thing that helps is xrandr --dpi 95 |
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| 06:39.52 | doomfinger | but, it makes fluxbox font small. |
| 06:39.59 | Talon_ | wheres the list of supported cards for glx? |
| 06:40.13 | Talon_ | i've checked 96xx anx 173xx and its definately not in that |
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| 06:40.19 | Talon_ | yet regular glx doesn't work either |
| 06:40.29 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: sudo fdisk -l gives: /dev/sda2 7292 7476 1486012+ 5 Extended |
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| 06:41.04 | rich0_ | hrm |
| 06:41.07 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: Other cmd does nothing |
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| 06:41.17 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: other command is a file |
| 06:41.21 | rich0_ | but probably not a useful one |
| 06:41.25 | rich0_ | crack open parted? |
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| 06:43.03 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: PartedMagic? |
| 06:43.10 | rich0_ | gnu parted |
| 06:43.49 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: Is that on the liveCD? |
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| 06:43.57 | rich0_ | I dunno. Is it? |
| 06:43.59 | rich0_ | What livecd? |
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| 06:44.58 | TBotNik__ | I'm booted from 9.10 live CD trying to fix this. Have no WiFi, thus no inet, from HDD boot, so this is work around. |
| 06:45.27 | doomfinger | rich0_: I restarted x, and it worked! |
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| 06:48.06 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: Ok parted is on liveCD and working. What next? |
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| 06:51.22 | Seb | hello |
| 06:51.32 | Seb | what's the proper way of changing some parameter under /sys every time I boot ? |
| 06:51.40 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: K parted says the boot sda1 is ext4, but the main part sda2 is "extended" whatever that means, think it means ext4 also but only if sda1 is mounted first? Right? |
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| 06:52.08 | somiaj | Seb: what is it you are wanting to do? as for proper way, you could just add the commands to /etc/rc.local |
| 06:52.15 | rich0_ | Seb: sysctl.conf |
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| 06:52.22 | Seb | echo 1 >| /sys/module/processor/parameters/ignore_ppc |
| 06:52.32 | Seb | rich0_: not sure what the corresponding sysctl is though |
| 06:52.50 | Seb | rich0_: sysctl -a | grep ppc doesn't return anything |
| 06:52.52 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: It means that /dev/sda2 is an extended partition, which means it gives you the option to create more logical partitions without confusing the bios |
| 06:53.01 | Seb | somiaj: rc.local it is, then |
| 06:53.05 | rich0_ | do you have some other partitions that look like they could be it? |
| 06:54.04 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: Here is list: |
| 06:54.10 | TBotNik__ | Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 32.3kB 60.0GB 60.0GB primary ext4 boot 2 60.0GB 61.5GB 1522MB extended 5 60.0GB 61.5GB 1522MB logical linux-swap(v1) |
| 06:55.05 | rich0_ | what are you expecting to be on sda2? |
| 06:55.07 | rich0_ | it's tiny |
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| 06:56.13 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: The Wifi config, don't think it is on the boot drive. |
| 06:56.51 | somiaj | Seb: note that is the last script after entering a multiuser run level, if you need that before that point you'll need another script. |
| 06:56.59 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: I can try mounting sda1 instead and see what I get? |
| 06:57.07 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: that strikes me as a much better idea |
| 06:57.23 | Seb | somiaj: that'll do |
| 06:57.31 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: you have a 60G parttion and a 1.5G one.. and the 1.5G one isn't the first thing on the disk. I really have NFi why you'd do that. |
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| 06:57.39 | TBotNik__ | that worked fine |
| 06:58.04 | TBotNik__ | let me see what I have. BRB |
| 06:58.20 | exussum | Hey guys, When using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata my time zone doesnt seem to have DST, How can i either update or manually add it ? |
| 06:58.39 | exussum | My timezone is Europe/London |
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| 07:01.12 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: I did nothing, was given to me that way. open to suggestions on optimization as this machine is a dog. |
| 07:01.29 | rich0_ | it's not really an optimisation, just a sanity thing |
| 07:01.46 | rich0_ | because of LVM I allocate a parition for pretty much everything, then a bunch of free space |
| 07:01.52 | rich0_ | and just grow parititons as they get low on space |
| 07:02.01 | rich0_ | hugs lvm |
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| 07:03.51 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: I did an uninstall on dhcp3 and it still has a /etc/dhcp3 folder, is that why I'm getting WiFi login timeout errors? |
| 07:04.03 | rich0_ | i wouldn't think so |
| 07:04.09 | rich0_ | do an aptitude purge though in that situation |
| 07:04.25 | rich0_ | TBotNik__: I have to go in a few mins. I |
| 07:04.31 | rich0_ | ll be about later on though if you're still stuck |
| 07:04.41 | rich0_ | I'm on here as richo if I forget and you want to pm me |
| 07:05.30 | TBotNik__ | rich0_: Already did the purge option, but will try again, nothing to loose at this point |
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| 07:07.12 | student | hey i have a question how come i do not have enable my touchpad, in gnome where i click on mouse i cannot see the option for touchpad |
| 07:07.18 | Kharec | lo |
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| 07:08.41 | Kharec | student: hi |
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| 07:09.37 | Kharec | In System->Mouse/trackpad, don't you have "tactically pad"? |
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| 07:10.01 | student | no |
| 07:10.21 | student | i don't have that option |
| 07:10.31 | Kharec | It's a squeeze? |
| 07:11.34 | student | the vertEdgeScroll is not working |
| 07:11.37 | student | nope is sid |
| 07:12.27 | Kharec | My trackpad works in Sid, if I enable a choice in System->Mouse/trackpad->tactically pad :/ |
| 07:12.43 | student | dude what the fuck is trackpad? |
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| 07:13.32 | ham5 | dude what the hell is google |
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| 07:13.57 | student | dude no one asked you |
| 07:14.19 | TBotNik__ | somiaj: Been following along? |
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| 07:16.23 | Kharec | student: maybe it misses a driver. |
| 07:16.30 | Kharec | or a kernel module. |
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| 07:56.07 | lethalduck | Hi guys. Just getting some weird (to me) errors when I try to install open-vm-tools open-vm-source into a wheezy server. Failing to fetch... Size mismatch on 3 dependencies... I've pasted to ... http://debian.pastebin.us/5794 |
| 07:56.57 | lethalduck | Can anyone bring some clarity to these? |
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| 08:01.58 | Internat | lethalduck: have you run apt-get update like it suggested? |
| 08:02.17 | redguy | hi, how do I list packages available from a repo? |
| 08:02.36 | lethalduck | Have tried apt-get update -m |
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| 08:07.59 | lethalduck | Internat: I can see it in the repo |
| 08:08.01 | somiaj | redguy: apt-cache search can search though the repos in your sources.list |
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| 08:08.14 | somiaj | redguy: you can also use pacakges.debian.org to search though the various versions |
| 08:08.19 | lethalduck | so not sure what the Size mismatch is about? |
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| 08:10.52 | lethalduck | would it be worth installing the .deb's manually? Would that work? |
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| 08:18.46 | jeybop | is it possible to wget a debian cd image, dd it on a partition, boot on this partition and install from it? |
| 08:19.10 | Efazati | i want use notify-send but i receive this error (notify-send:7053): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed why? |
| 08:19.10 | oscurochu | i would imagine |
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| 08:19.41 | oscurochu | just mark the partition as bootable |
| 08:19.48 | oscurochu | or load it via grub |
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| 08:20.43 | jeybop | the debian cd image contains a vmlinuz? |
| 08:21.12 | oscurochu | usually. |
| 08:21.26 | oscurochu | the kernel has to boot some how |
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| 08:31.34 | efaistos | hi |
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| 08:31.55 | Efazati | i want use notify-send but i receive this error (notify-send:7053): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed why? |
| 08:32.41 | lethalduck | I also tried from a different repository |
| 08:32.49 | lethalduck | Anyone else got any ideas? |
| 08:33.01 | lethalduck | Again... http://debian.pastebin.us/5794 |
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| 08:34.25 | lethalduck | Is there a problem with the packages... html2text, po-debconf, libsys-hostname-long-perl, libmail-sendmail-perl ? |
| 08:34.37 | Seb | lethalduck: they're most likely corrupted in that repository |
| 08:34.52 | Seb | lethalduck: or the Packages files hasn't been generated correctly |
| 08:34.58 | efaistos | little question ... I have a server that was installed with a wrong image and I got / on sda1 and got 3 partitions unused sda2 (windows ?!) and two empty ones ... my question is : Could I use parted to remove these three partitions and resize / ? |
| 08:34.59 | jeybop | oscurochu, no vmlinuz in standard debian image installation |
| 08:35.12 | lethalduck | in two different repo's? |
| 08:35.18 | lethalduck | nz and au? |
| 08:35.58 | Seb | lethalduck: maybe the original upload, then |
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| 08:36.10 | lethalduck | ooo |
| 08:36.14 | Seb | lethalduck: in any case, I Wouldn't force the install manually |
| 08:36.25 | lethalduck | hmm |
| 08:36.27 | berarma | lethalduck: have you run "apt-get update" recently? |
| 08:36.28 | Seb | lethalduck: try ftp.us.debian.org, which should be the main one ? |
| 08:36.41 | lethalduck | about 10 seconds ago |
| 08:36.48 | oscurochu | jeybop: the kernel may be named something else. |
| 08:36.56 | lethalduck | Seb: will do |
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| 08:38.35 | berarma | !tell efaistos about parted |
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| 08:39.13 | berarma | efaistos: it's supported to work although I haven't used ever, backup your data |
| 08:39.27 | berarma | s/supported/supposed/ |
| 08:39.57 | jeybop | ok I found it |
| 08:39.59 | efaistos | berarma: :) |
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| 08:40.31 | lethalduck | Seb: ftp.us.debian.org ... same deal |
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| 08:40.40 | jeybop | oscurochu, ok I found them. Should I copy vmlinuz and initrd to /boot? What should I add in grub? |
| 08:40.42 | efaistos | berarma: I'll try and we'll see :) |
| 08:40.52 | berarma | lethalduck: can we see your souces.list? |
| 08:41.00 | Seb | lethalduck: care to tell me again what distro, and the name of one package ? |
| 08:41.49 | oscurochu | grub1 or 2? |
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| 08:42.40 | efaistos | oscurochu: hmm I have grub and grub-pc installed I think it's grub 2 |
| 08:42.54 | lethalduck | berarma: http://debian.pastebin.us/5816 |
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| 08:43.20 | oscurochu | jeybob: if you need instructions for grub2, you're on your own. if you have a grub.cfg file, its grub2. if its grub.conf or menu.lst, its grub1. |
| 08:43.23 | lethalduck | Seb: wheezy |
| 08:44.23 | jeybop | oscurochu, ok thanks |
| 08:44.24 | berarma | lethalduck: what does last line mean? |
| 08:44.50 | oscurochu | jeybop: so which is it? |
| 08:44.58 | jeybop | grub2 |
| 08:44.59 | lethalduck | berarma: new line ... it's copied from vi |
| 08:45.10 | berarma | ah :) |
| 08:45.33 | pif | hi, what is the secure disk eraser's name again? |
| 08:45.33 | Seb | lethalduck: one package name ? |
| 08:45.34 | oscurochu | jeybop: good luck. let me know if it works out for you, if im stilll online later on. |
| 08:45.38 | Seb | pif: shred ? |
| 08:45.44 | pif | yes! |
| 08:45.48 | jeybop | oscurochu, ok, I'll let you know |
| 08:46.40 | Seb | pif: dban's good too |
| 08:46.57 | pif | ok, didn't know it |
| 08:47.20 | pif | not in debian? |
| 08:47.35 | lethalduck | berarma: i've added a new line to sources.list |
| 08:47.36 | Seb | pif: not sure |
| 08:47.41 | lethalduck | Seb: html2text |
| 08:47.43 | Seb | pif: shred is part of coreutils though |
| 08:47.48 | pif | sure |
| 08:49.32 | lethalduck | Seb: Try ... sudo apt-get install html2text ? |
| 08:49.53 | Seb | lethalduck: i unfortunately don't have a wheezy chroot right now |
| 08:49.59 | lethalduck | ah |
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| 08:52.06 | Seb | lethalduck: i should have one, though :) GImme a couple of minutes |
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| 08:53.30 | lethalduck | Thanks Seb |
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| 08:53.54 | Seb | lethalduck: np |
| 08:54.30 | berarma | lethalduck: I've tried with de.debian.org mirror and it worked |
| 08:54.42 | lethalduck | :s |
| 08:55.03 | lethalduck | berarma: on wheezy? |
| 08:55.15 | berarma | yes |
| 08:55.22 | lethalduck | cool |
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| 08:56.42 | Seb | lethalduck: maybe you have corrupted copies in your apt cache |
| 08:56.50 | Seb | lethalduck: apt-get clean should fix that |
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| 08:57.03 | Seb | lethalduck: then simply try to re-install, you'll know if that was the problem |
| 08:57.19 | lethalduck | Seb: yeah |
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| 08:59.08 | Seb | lethalduck: was it the problem ? |
| 08:59.32 | lethalduck | Seb: no, unless apt-cacher is still caching them |
| 08:59.51 | Seb | ls /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:59.55 | Seb | lethalduck: ^^^ |
| 09:00.05 | Seb | lethalduck: it works fine from the main .fr mirror in my wheezy chroot |
| 09:00.31 | Seb | lethalduck: oooh, you do have an apt-cacher in the middle |
| 09:00.41 | Seb | lethalduck: that's definitely where your problem lies, then |
| 09:00.50 | Seb | lethalduck: try to bypass it, and check |
| 09:01.01 | lethalduck | Seb: yeah |
| 09:01.17 | Seb | lethalduck: would have been wise to tell us about it earlier :> |
| 09:02.22 | lethalduck | Seb, Yeah, my bad, didn't think about it, should have. |
| 09:02.44 | Seb | lethalduck: np; at least now you know what's up, heh |
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| 09:03.04 | lethalduck | Seb: if it is that |
| 09:03.32 | Seb | lethalduck: i'm all in on that one |
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| 09:06.57 | lethalduck | Seb: yeah, probably right... dam slow without the cache |
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| 09:07.13 | Seb | lethalduck: better to have it slow than incorrect, though |
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| 09:08.00 | lethalduck | Seb: still the same, and that's after a clean and update |
| 09:08.17 | lethalduck | I must be doing something wrong |
| 09:08.19 | Seb | lethalduck: are you positive you're bypassing the cache ? |
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| 09:08.53 | Seb | lethalduck: the fact both berarma and myself can install that package just fine would seem to indicate the error is somewhere between your chair and keyboard :) |
| 09:09.04 | Seb | hrm, gotta go |
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| 09:09.14 | Seb | lethalduck: hilight me in here when you figure it out, i'm curious |
| 09:09.26 | berarma | Seb: most probably :D |
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| 09:10.14 | katei | how do you remove a r-xr-xr-x file? |
| 09:10.24 | lethalduck | Seb: more than likely. |
| 09:10.33 | subuser | rm -f file |
| 09:10.39 | subuser | if you're owner |
| 09:10.45 | katei | its not working |
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| 09:11.23 | berarma | katei: see permissions of the dir it's in |
| 09:11.24 | katei | let me try it again |
| 09:11.34 | katei | ill check that |
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| 09:14.17 | katei | rm: cannot remove `rtorrent.lock': Permission denied |
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| 09:14.45 | katei | the directory is 775 |
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| 09:14.47 | katei | ??? |
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| 09:15.28 | NoOova | Hi all! Log rotation exists in debian minimal (squeeze) with apache2 and nginx installed? |
| 09:15.52 | katei | Let me try something else... logging out |
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| 09:16.03 | ksk | NoOova: theres a package named "logrotate" |
| 09:16.07 | ksk | take a look if its installed |
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| 09:16.47 | NoOova | there is not file /etc/init.d/logrotate |
| 09:17.11 | NoOova | sorry... this file is not exists |
| 09:17.58 | colo-work | logrotate is invoked by cron |
| 09:18.11 | NoOova | one moment |
| 09:19.00 | NoOova | it is installed =) |
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| 09:22.22 | hwq001 | code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ the new version of globalmenu supports gnome3 now. I installed it but I don't know how to enable it. there is no installation for this version at all.any idea? |
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| 09:22.37 | hwq001 | http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ |
| 09:25.14 | lethalduck | Seb: for some reason apt-get is still looking at the apt-cacher port. I've renamed the /etc/apt/apt.conf file and even commented out the #Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.0.20:3142"; |
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| 09:30.43 | rozie | lethalduck: can you show sources.list (all)? |
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| 09:31.36 | rozie | or just egrep -iR "192.168.0.20|3142" /etc/apt/* |
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| 09:32.03 | lethalduck | rozie: http://debian.pastebin.us/5816 |
| 09:33.42 | lethalduck | rozie: /etc/apt/apt.conf-bak:#Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.0.20:3142"; |
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| 09:33.54 | fish_ | uhm.. i use debian since over 5 years or so. had a look into other stuff like gentoo, but debian is the distribution i always come back to somehow. but one thing annoys me: I still don't _really_ understand apt and how it works internally. any suggestions what to read to fix that? |
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| 09:34.45 | lethalduck | rozie: seems weird that apt-get still seems to be using port 3142 |
| 09:34.53 | UltimediaOS | fish_: in my opinion the work is now dine by aptitude |
| 09:35.01 | UltimediaOS | done |
| 09:35.36 | fish_ | i mean things like, how it resolves dependencys, circular dependencys, how it internally handles sources and selects the which package it takes from where.. i have a vague idea on all that, but i like to have a deeper insight |
| 09:35.56 | UltimediaOS | oh yes thats pretty complicated |
| 09:36.00 | valdyn | fish_: read the source code |
| 09:36.07 | valdyn | fish_: theres no other way |
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| 09:36.17 | rozie | lethalduck: no idea why. I thought there is some missing entry, but seems there's no such thing |
| 09:36.22 | fish_ | valdyn: so the docs suck? |
| 09:36.37 | rozie | s/missing/forgoten/ |
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| 09:36.51 | valdyn | fish_: the dependency resolution algorithm is supposed to not require documentation for end users |
| 09:37.14 | valdyn | fish_: just like word doesnt tell you how it draws characters... |
| 09:37.16 | lethalduck | rozie: Yeah, you just need the line in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 09:37.24 | UltimediaOS | you could use doxygen to generate developer docs if not present |
| 09:37.38 | lethalduck | with the file renamed, apt-get shouldn't be looking at localhost |
| 09:37.48 | fish_ | valdyn: well, it was an example. what i like to see is some overview over the internal infrastrcture of the apt stuff... would be awesome |
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| 09:38.12 | fish_ | valdyn: but i bet there are internal docs on how word draws characters ;) |
| 09:38.21 | UltimediaOS | fish_ to get a clous i recommend to read the Debian Policy very well |
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| 09:38.49 | valdyn | fish_: well, maybe, that depends on the developers policy - in free software its very often the source that is the best documentation for internal stuff |
| 09:39.16 | fish_ | UltimediaOS: yes, probably a good start.. i never really read it through.. just partly when building packages and stuff like that |
| 09:39.16 | valdyn | ( it really is the final reference for any software anyway ) |
| 09:39.28 | rozie | lethalduck: you can also specify it in sources.list. like deb http://192.168.0.20:3142/ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 09:39.47 | valdyn | fish_: it would help you if you could come up with a specific question - im sure someone might know the answer |
| 09:40.10 | fish_ | valdyn: sure, i think good written code makes some kind of documentation obsolete. but some 'overview' would be still great - at least to find the source to look into for a specific question |
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| 09:40.25 | lethalduck | rozie: Yeah, I used to do that with apt-proxy, but apt-cacher's Acquire is easier... I think I stuffed up anyway |
| 09:40.36 | lethalduck | Will let you know |
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| 09:41.24 | fish_ | valdyn: i just fell the need to understand debian better. after all the years of just using it. but UltimediaOS is right, the debian policy manual is a good start and i really have to read it through finally |
| 09:41.41 | UltimediaOS | fish_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 09:42.05 | fish_ | UltimediaOS: yep, alread open. but thank you very much for the suggestion! |
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| 09:42.28 | UltimediaOS | no problem |
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| 09:48.50 | Dad` | What was the target option of binutils ./configure for the package binutils-multiarch ? |
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| 09:55.55 | lethalduck | berarma, Seb, rozie: As expected, it was PEBKAC. I'm ashamed to even tell... I've got 9 terminals open, and one of the sessions I was assuming was the machine I was working on was actually my local machine (not ssh). Thanks allot guys! |
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| 09:57.56 | lethalduck | So I renamed my local copy of /etc/apt/apt.conf .... DOH |
| 09:58.34 | lethalduck | must be the bourbons |
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| 09:59.06 | berarma | lethalduck: now you'll remember checking the machine you're on :D |
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| 09:59.45 | lethalduck | berarma: Yes I will |
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| 10:04.22 | AbuDhabi | Hi. I have a dual-boot Squeeze and WinXP. If I wiped the Windows and reinstalled it, would I have any problems with the dual-booting? |
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| 10:05.08 | Markus[uOS] | AbuDhabi: generally windows kills your MBR |
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| 10:05.32 | sickergut | lol airstrike is so awesome apt-get install airstrike |
| 10:05.33 | Markus[uOS] | the MBR holds the boot manager or what it should be |
| 10:05.35 | AbuDhabi | Hmm. That's what I thought. Any way around it? |
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| 10:05.45 | sickergut | fdisk /mbr in win95/98 |
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| 10:06.03 | Markus[uOS] | yes if you have a debian cd in hand |
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| 10:07.04 | Markus[uOS] | you install windows and after the install you could boot the live disk and reinstall grub2 |
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| 10:07.23 | Markus[uOS] | but be careful |
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| 10:08.24 | Markus[uOS] | AbuDhabi: maybe someone here could give you a good tutorial site that you check before |
| 10:08.53 | danand | hi all - I have removed a bonded interface (bond0) from my /etc/network/interfaces file... only problem is bond0 is still showing up under /sys/class/net/ and is listed in the bonding_masters file as well. ip link show also lists the bond0 interface (albeit down). Anyone know how to get rid of it? |
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| 10:10.54 | redguy | somiaj: apt-cache search will search available packages, yes. What I want is a list containing packages available in certain repo. I suppose it would suffice if I knew where apt is keeping downloaded Packages files |
| 10:11.20 | Gokee2 | Hello, apt seems to have gotten broken on my system. I am unable to get libglx-nvidia-alternatives removed. Any idea's how to make apt happy again? http://paste.debian.net/123754/ |
| 10:11.51 | Markus[uOS] | AbuDhabi: here http://ohbuntu.blogspot.com/2009/11/repair-grub2-after-install-windows-7.html could this help you? |
| 10:12.06 | danand | redguy: /var/cache/apt |
| 10:12.42 | AbuDhabi | Markus[uOS]: Possibly. Thanks. |
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| 10:13.10 | Markus[uOS] | ive not directly found a debian related grub2 tutorial, so... best i found |
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| 10:15.14 | sickergut | no on knows about grub 2 |
| 10:15.17 | sickergut | one |
| 10:15.20 | redguy | danand: not quite. it keeps downloaded debs in archives/ there. What I want is to search files like http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 |
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| 10:16.26 | sickergut | wasnt grub 2 the boot manager that was found under a meteor and some autistic guy booted a playstation with it? |
| 10:17.49 | danand | redguy: /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
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| 10:18.19 | Efazati | where is my battery info ? i read /proc/acpi but there is no good date |
| 10:18.34 | Efazati | in acpi i have data but i want it as file like proc |
| 10:18.50 | Efazati | who know where is it? |
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| 10:19.42 | danand | Efazati: cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state ? |
| 10:20.00 | Efazati | danand, there is no battery in acpi danand |
| 10:20.21 | danand | Efazati: ah... |
| 10:20.41 | redguy | danand: that's it, thanks. Do you know of any program/script which allows to filter those files or do I have to write my own with grep/sed/awk ? |
| 10:20.44 | Efazati | danand, button / wakeup there is only this |
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| 10:22.05 | lethalduck | Markus[uOS] There's a nice ubuntu grub2 tut. |
| 10:22.33 | Markus[uOS] | on blogspot? |
| 10:22.33 | danand | redguy: What laptop is it? |
| 10:22.34 | flores | hi, Would someone instruct me how to install last G++ version, I am not the superuser on this machine. Should I be able to use apt-get install? |
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| 10:23.05 | fleischergesell | flores: I don't think apt will work without beeing superuser, but I might be wrong on this one. |
| 10:23.23 | kgoetz | none of the package install commands will |
| 10:23.36 | lethalduck | Found this one usefull for setting up natti Markus[uOS] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 |
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| 10:24.11 | flores | fleischergesell: That means I will have to compile? I've just tried but it is a pain in the ass to install all the dependencies. |
| 10:24.20 | Markus[uOS] | yeah nice one, this could help more |
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| 10:24.55 | flores | the configure just complains about many missing packages. |
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| 10:26.02 | fleischergesell | flores: It probably means, that you have to compile any missing packages by hand. |
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| 10:26.23 | fleischergesell | Why not ask the superuser to install g++ for you? |
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| 10:28.22 | flores | fleischergesell: I have just asked him to install debian 6.0.2, I thought gcc would be last version, but it 4.4.5. He is very busy at the moment, I would like to do it myself |
| 10:29.08 | kgoetz | judd: versions g |
| 10:29.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'g' was found in i386. |
| 10:29.13 | kgoetz | judd: versions g++ |
| 10:29.14 | judd | Package g++ on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.1-2; wheezy: 4:4.6.1-2 |
| 10:29.19 | kgoetz | stupid broken plus key |
| 10:29.34 | kgoetz | flores: looks like you will be stuck with 4.4.5 unless you want to diy |
| 10:29.57 | flores | I need C++0x support therefore I need the most recent ... |
| 10:30.15 | kgoetz | then you need to backport it or build it from scratch |
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| 10:32.59 | AbuDhabi_ | gets an Ubuntu Live CD, and backs up stuff from the Windows partition. I forget, does the Windows installer give the option to wipe a drive before installation, or do I have to do that beforehand? |
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| 10:33.25 | colo-work | you can delete partitions in winnt setups |
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| 10:35.45 | sickergut | why anyone would wanna run ubuntu under any circumstances whatsoever is a mystery |
| 10:36.04 | Markus[uOS] | uhm: 1.0.16-1+xyz1 is less then 1.0.16+nmu1 ? |
| 10:36.41 | sickergut | ubuntu based on debian but slower....... if you actually make a OS based on another OS but its slower than the base OS, maybe you should give up. |
| 10:36.56 | colo-work | speed is not everybody's primary concern |
| 10:37.04 | ham5 | sickergut this is debian you dont even need to bring that up here thanks |
| 10:37.16 | AbuDhabi_ | sickergut: I'm gonna run it because the guide uses its Live CD to reinstall GRUB after a Windows reinstall on a dual-boot with Debian. |
| 10:37.18 | colo-work | (which doesn't mean I argue for the use of Ubuntu over Debian in any way, I'm just saying) |
| 10:38.19 | subuser | if i used ubuntu, i would still use apt |
| 10:38.23 | kgoetz | has http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover beenmentioned? |
| 10:38.29 | kgoetz | tossing it out there incase not |
| 10:39.00 | AbuDhabi_ | Hey, that could be useful. |
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| 10:45.05 | AbuDhabi_ | So, let me get this straight, a Debian Netinst CD run at boot will have an option of reinstalling GRUB2, yes? |
| 10:46.22 | abrotman | if you choose the recover option ? |
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| 10:48.15 | babilen | !tell AbuDhabi_ -about fixmbr |
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| 10:48.48 | babilen | AbuDhabi_: I would personally still keep a good live CD around. Debian Live's rescue images or GRML are my preferred choices. |
| 10:51.33 | colo-work | sysresccd is also very capable. |
| 10:53.07 | AbuDhabi_ | I'm going to try the netinst first. If I have problems, I'll drop in here again for more instruction. Thanks for the help so far. |
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| 11:17.49 | K0JIbKA | Hi all! |
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| 11:22.30 | K0JIbKA | Debian Squeeze installation for Dell Latitude E6410 accomplished. I did it with USB Flash memory card inside. Whole OS is installed there. With separate partitions for /, /usr, /var, /tmp. Now only GRUB is working fine. It can load Windows Vista but not Debian. Black screen of Death instead:-( |
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| 11:22.59 | iluminator101 | how do you get a static ip if you isp keeps changing you ip, i forgot the name of a free i used to use? |
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| 11:23.46 | ksk | dyndns? |
| 11:23.57 | babilen | iluminator101: You can not if your ISP assigns you a different IP. You have to talk to your ISP about a static one. My crystal ball, however, tells me that you are merely looking for something like dyndns. |
| 11:24.04 | K0JIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.26 | K0JIbKA | try to google it |
| 11:24.38 | babilen | DNS == IP -- There is *absolutely* no way dyndns will give iluminator101 a static IP |
| 11:24.50 | babilen | err != |
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| 11:25.08 | wols | K0JIbKA: are you booting with the "quiet" kernel parameter? |
| 11:25.08 | K0JIbKA | what about USB with Debian on it? |
| 11:25.25 | K0JIbKA | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.32 | wols | then maybe you should check? |
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| 11:26.02 | K0JIbKA | installation run with standard set of rules. It was 'amd64' by the way |
| 11:26.48 | K0JIbKA | wols:how is that? |
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| 11:27.04 | wols | how is what? |
| 11:27.14 | K0JIbKA | how to check? |
| 11:27.36 | wols | by looking at /boot/grub/grub.cfg for example |
| 11:28.15 | K0JIbKA | linux isn't loading at all |
| 11:28.34 | K0JIbKA | neither booting up |
| 11:28.40 | wols | then "e" in grub for example |
| 11:29.06 | K0JIbKA | moment! |
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| 11:29.19 | wols | and there is always explore2fs as well since you apparently run windows right now |
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| 11:33.35 | Shrat | Hi people. I'm trying to install debian on my laptop but the installer tells me that I'm lacking a firmware for my Broadcom wireless card (ucode5.fw). I don't know where to get this firmware. I have a Gentoo desktop and a USB key. What should I do? Thanks in advance! |
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| 11:38.09 | wols | Shrat: does your wlan AP use WPA? |
| 11:38.20 | wols | !tell Shrat about firmware |
| 11:38.27 | ksk | theres a package "firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 11:38.35 | Shrat | no WEP only |
| 11:38.40 | wols | ksk: that's a meta package btw |
| 11:38.48 | ksk | yes, wanted to add that. |
| 11:38.55 | ksk | think the bot told him already? |
| 11:39.11 | Shrat | Sure ksk but without the wireless, I can't connect, I don't have any RJ45 plug |
| 11:39.17 | wols | !tell Shrat about firmware installer |
| 11:39.35 | wols | Shrat: you don't need to connect while installing unless you only have a businesscard ISO which is unlikely |
| 11:39.47 | Shrat | It isn't |
| 11:39.50 | wols | !tell Shrat about installer firmware |
| 11:40.46 | Shrat | oh ok the last bot remark was surely helpful |
| 11:40.49 | Shrat | thanks a lot! |
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| 11:45.52 | mallery1 | hi |
| 11:46.35 | Shrat | I didn't installed Debian since ages. The installer has really improved! |
| 11:47.08 | mallery1 | my wlan-connection quality sometimes varies very greatly from 140 MB/s to <1MB/s |
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| 11:47.13 | mallery1 | Why could that be ?? |
| 11:47.17 | mallery1 | How to solve? |
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| 11:47.57 | ham5 | hows the signal strength? how are you seeing the 140 ~ <1Mb/s ? |
| 11:48.02 | mman | hi, i want to make a script that runs at start up. I followed http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 but still the script doesnt run at startup. any ideas? |
| 11:48.09 | ham5 | shrat yes it sure has, the whole os has imo :) |
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| 11:48.57 | subuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.15 | subuser | i tried that too, i'm not sure what the manual for it is, but it's there somewhere |
| 11:49.16 | ham5 | followed it to the T mman? scripts in /etc/init.d/ and you have links in the rc?.d directorys? |
| 11:49.34 | ham5 | copy from another script |
| 11:49.48 | mman | ham5, yup i did |
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| 11:50.56 | subuser | less /etc/init.d/acpid for instance, it has the ### BEGIN INIT INFO line followed by that stuff |
| 11:51.21 | subuser | i'm not sure what the manual page for the format of that thing is, but there is one somewhere |
| 11:51.28 | mman | ham5, i wrote this in the scrpit: /root/tomcat5.5/bin/catalina.sh start |
| 11:51.47 | mman | ham5 i think i forgot the "sh" before that right? |
| 11:52.18 | ham5 | your making a script to call a script? |
| 11:52.24 | ham5 | ;\ |
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| 11:53.05 | mman | ham5, now that i think it, yes :P but its because i have to give the argument "start" to the script |
| 11:54.03 | subuser | all init.d scripts are expected to have a LSB style header documenting dependencies and default runlevel settings. -> /etc/init.d/README |
| 11:54.10 | woshty | if i run xorg without a xorg.conf, it uses autodetection .. how do i write the autodetected config into a file for later modification? X -ocnfigure does not do what i want. |
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| 11:54.44 | ham5 | dosent it make the config and keep it in /etc/X11 ? |
| 11:54.52 | ham5 | rm the current one and see pretty sure |
| 11:55.17 | woshty | ham5: and then it deletes it after i stop X? |
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| 11:55.39 | ham5 | i dont think so, if it did, while your in X just cp it.. |
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| 11:56.01 | woshty | no, there is no config |
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| 11:56.14 | woshty | and btw. KMS==DRI2? |
| 11:56.14 | asasinuxp | I've installed debian stable netinstall and I have now only CLI.How I can install x server,alsa,fonts and gnome DE? |
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| 11:56.20 | ham5 | why doesnt x -configure do what you want? |
| 11:56.22 | wols | woshty: no |
| 11:56.28 | subuser | anybody know if you can make a script to execute when coming out of hibernation state? |
| 11:56.29 | ham5 | with apt-get asasinuxp |
| 11:56.37 | subuser | hibernate murder's snort daemon |
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| 11:56.41 | mallery1 | mman: signal strength is written under connection information of NetworkManager Applet 0.8.1 |
| 11:56.46 | wols | asasinuxp: apt-get install xorg gnome |
| 11:56.49 | mallery1 | sometimes <1mb is shown |
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| 11:56.50 | woshty | ham5: no, it produces a useless, not working file with device and screen not named properly |
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| 11:57.16 | mman | mallery1, you confuse me with someone else:P |
| 11:57.22 | asasinuxp | that's why don't work for me,I've tried with xserver-xorg |
| 11:57.34 | wols | asasinuxp: that one is wrok. you must use xorg |
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| 11:57.55 | mallery1 | mman: oh .. sry ^^ |
| 11:58.13 | mallery1 | ham5: signal strength is written under connection information of NetworkManager Applet 0.8.1, sometimes <1mb is shown there |
| 11:58.17 | wols | *wrong |
| 11:58.19 | ham5 | seems funny it starts up fine but would produce a not working file ;\ |
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| 11:58.31 | woshty | wols: i am using a radeon card. i found /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf so i can now actually see my terminal .. when i start X in autodetect mode, it works in wheezy but the radeon-kms stuff is apparently loaded because i have no readable terminal afterwards |
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| 11:58.50 | ham5 | mallery1; but its good signal strength all the time? |
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| 11:59.01 | wols | woshty: have you installed the firmware? |
| 11:59.13 | woshty | wols: what firmware? |
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| 11:59.20 | wols | for your radeon card |
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| 11:59.26 | woshty | wols: ofcnot |
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| 11:59.32 | wols | then I suggest you do that |
| 11:59.39 | radisav | does anyone know of a good cpu cache test? |
| 11:59.44 | woshty | wols: if something is ENABLED by default, there has to be no firmware |
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| 12:00.04 | woshty | wols: docs on that? |
| 12:00.12 | wols | woshty: since you know better: good luck and have a good day |
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| 12:00.26 | woshty | wols: i dont know anything, that is my main problem |
| 12:00.28 | wols | radisav: what for? |
| 12:00.44 | mman | ham5 still cant |
| 12:00.49 | radisav | wols: I have kernel panic now and then indicating corrupt L1 |
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| 12:01.06 | radisav | wols: I'd like to confirm this with some test |
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| 12:01.23 | radisav | on AMD |
| 12:01.40 | wols | radisav: downclock your CPU as far as you can. i'd suggest running mprime. possibly superpi depending how big your cache is. tho L1 is always very small, so scratch that |
| 12:02.41 | wols | radisav: simply put, you cannot check your L1, especially not without a OS. maybe use memtest86, it "checks" by extension your cache when checking memory. how soon after boot is this kernel panic? |
| 12:02.56 | wols | radisav: what exact CPU do you have? |
| 12:03.23 | radisav | wols: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ |
| 12:04.04 | wols | can you boot up? and if so, how long until you get the kernel panic? |
| 12:04.12 | radisav | wols: I tried downclocking to 2600 but same thing. There is no regularity in this... every so often (sometimes 2 hours, sometimes 5 min) comp would stop and only hard reset does the trick |
| 12:04.47 | wols | can you reduce the multiplier? and the HT link? |
| 12:04.49 | radisav | I did memtest86, passed witout errors |
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| 12:05.16 | radisav | wols: multiplier is at x15 now, it can go down alot - what do u think should be the optimal value? |
| 12:05.16 | zappal | radisav: and the cpu cooler ist running well? |
| 12:05.31 | wols | radisav: the lowest you can do |
| 12:05.32 | radisav | zappal: no probs with temperature |
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| 12:05.56 | wols | remember: it's for debugging purposes. same for the HT link. you want a CPU crawling at 200MHz or whatever |
| 12:06.10 | wols | and when it boots you run mprime for hours |
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| 12:06.48 | wols | you can also try to run mprime now and wait for the wrong computation it reports. you want to use small tables with mprime: only test the CPU, not the memory |
| 12:07.44 | radisav | wols: is mprime in repository? |
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| 12:07.58 | wols | dunno. probably not. |
| 12:08.17 | wols | http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/ |
| 12:08.55 | danand | hi all. I have removed a bonding interface (bond0) from my /etc/network/interfaces file. Despite this bond0 still shows up under /sys/class/net and is still in the bonding_masters file. Similarly ip link show still displays bond0 - albeit down. Anyone with any ideas of how to get rid of this? |
| 12:09.16 | wols | *grrr* |
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| 12:09.23 | woshty | wols: harr, thx |
| 12:09.25 | wols | radisav: run it as your user or as root? |
| 12:09.25 | mallery1 | ham5: yes, usually it varies from 80-150 mb/s .... but sometimes it gets <1mb/s |
| 12:09.35 | wols | damn. E_CHAN |
| 12:09.46 | radisav | wols: root |
| 12:09.50 | woshty | wols: against which package would i file a bug that radeon-kms is enabled by default? |
| 12:09.56 | vtts | danand, do "ifdown bond0" before removing configuration |
| 12:09.56 | ham5 | lol the speed, i get it, whast the wireless connection like |
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| 12:10.37 | mallery1 | :D |
| 12:11.02 | danand | vtts: hmmm... and now that i've removed the config and rebooted?? Any suggestions? I'm not sure I can remember the exact config I had before. |
| 12:11.08 | subuser | where's the variable $local_fs defined in /etc/init.d? |
| 12:11.09 | mallery1 | ham5: right now it's 130mb/s ~ 60% quality |
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| 12:11.36 | subuser | some of these have a $ and some of them don't, i'm trying to figure out what the difference is |
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| 12:11.47 | ham5 | low quality going to equal low speed... pay attentin when your speed drops if the quality has also |
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| 12:11.56 | danand | vtts: note that ifdown bond0 tells me that bond0 is not configured... |
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| 12:12.06 | xoz | what's a good backup package for network that support hourly incremental updates? |
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| 12:12.59 | mallery1 | ham5: if the quality doesn't drop while having lower speed, the router makes the problem? |
| 12:13.47 | vtts | danand, if you reboot'ed after removing the configuration it should not be active |
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| 12:14.03 | vtts | danand, are there any devices enslaved with it? |
| 12:14.04 | ham5 | has the quality dropped? |
| 12:14.08 | danand | vtts: I know... that's my problem :) |
| 12:14.38 | mallery1 | ham5: no, quality stays, while speed drops |
| 12:14.47 | mallery1 | quality is always 60-90 % |
| 12:14.50 | danand | vtts: no. I have moved the interfaces to another bond... bond0 should really not be there anymore |
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| 12:14.58 | vtts | danand, maybe it's just an empty "enclosure" created by a loaded driver |
| 12:15.20 | danand | vtts: empty enclosure? |
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| 12:17.12 | danand | vtts: I've grep'd through /etc /usr /lib looking for any reference to bond0. Aside from some comments including the word "bond0" I haven't found anything. Really stumped. |
| 12:17.40 | abrotman | /var/? |
| 12:18.13 | vtts | danand, try: grep -ir bond /etc |
| 12:18.18 | wols | abrotman: but why would anything create it? there is interfaces, nm and wicd which dabble with interfaces. anything else? |
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| 12:19.31 | danand | sudo grep -inr bond0 /etc/ |
| 12:19.35 | danand | Binary file /etc/alternatives/ifenslave matches |
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| 12:20.08 | vtts | try "bond" not "bond0" |
| 12:20.42 | Shrat | When debian-installer asks me if I want to install a «file server» he's talking about samba? |
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| 12:21.46 | danand | vtts: that's the only match for bond0. bond gives quite a bit of output. Just looking through that... |
| 12:23.02 | abrotman | wols: just a thought |
| 12:24.27 | abrotman | wols: there are other network managers also |
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| 12:27.45 | danand | vtts: hmmm. most likely place to find an answer seems to be in the /etc/network/if-up.d/ifenslave script. I know bond0 gets written into /sys/class/net/bonding_masters. This looks like it gets done by this script. Thinking something is calling this script with bond0 as the argument. Will investigate and see what I find. |
| 12:27.54 | danand | vtts: thanks for help |
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| 12:50.21 | mikunos | hi guys how have I to discover which is the service that eat my memory? |
| 12:51.03 | subuser | top? |
| 12:51.18 | jelly | and press capital M in top |
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| 12:51.31 | mikunos | but I get all the processes and I don't understand which is the user |
| 12:52.03 | wols | mikunos: top shows you the user |
| 12:52.16 | vikapi | is there a way tat we can forcefully logout a user in gdm/kdm @a particular time of the day??is there a settin where we can do tat?? |
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| 12:52.26 | mikunos | show the apache user |
| 12:52.29 | mikunos | not the real user |
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| 12:52.59 | xand | that is the real user then |
| 12:53.32 | mikunos | so the user is only one for all the apache processes? |
| 12:53.35 | xand | yes |
| 12:53.48 | xand | www-data |
| 12:53.56 | mikunos | www-data |
| 12:53.57 | mikunos | yes |
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| 13:04.59 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:06.34 | ham5 | once i make-kpkg i dont need to keep the source around? |
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| 13:12.07 | abrotman | ham5: have to? no .. did you create a -source package also? |
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| 13:13.21 | ham5 | image and headers, there is a source too? :\ |
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| 13:14.40 | spal | any good package to draw geometrical diagrams (not necessarily plotting graphs but geometrical diagrams like you find in math books)? |
| 13:14.44 | wols | ham5: there is, but no one ever needs it (unless you want to hack the kernel) |
| 13:14.48 | babilen | ham5: Please read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 13:16.11 | ham5 | make deb-pkg works decent? |
| 13:16.22 | ham5 | rember having problems a while back |
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| 13:16.48 | babilen | How long ago is "a while back" -- From what I've heard it works as expected. |
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| 13:17.16 | Kharec | hi |
| 13:18.11 | ham5 | thanks either way /me rm's source :) |
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| 13:18.31 | Kharec | if I want to install all pkg from a group, how can I do? (like install all of system administration, contrib) |
| 13:18.48 | tech13 | how do I uninstall a package? "dpkg -L adobe-flashplugin" gives me a list of files, but "apt-get purge adobe-flashplugin" results in E: Unable to locate package adobe-flashplugin |
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| 13:19.18 | Kharec | adobe-flashplugin-nonfree, nope? Or something like that. |
| 13:19.21 | Kharec | Let me try! |
| 13:19.33 | wols | tech13: dpkg -l |grep flash |
| 13:19.41 | Kharec | flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:19.48 | tech13 | ii adobe-flashplugin 10.1.82.76-1 Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10 |
| 13:20.03 | wols | tech13: use dpkg -r |
| 13:20.08 | masterkorp | Well i need to be in the log group to be able to read the logs right ? |
| 13:20.22 | wols | tech13: and then go back to #ubuntu |
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| 13:20.47 | tech13 | wols, thank you, though the suggestion to go back to #ubuntu was uncalled for. |
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| 13:21.25 | wols | running ubuntu software and asking about it in #debian often causes this |
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| 13:22.30 | masterkorp | hmm apparently not |
| 13:22.35 | masterkorp | any sugestion ? |
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| 13:23.44 | Kharec | masterkorp: ls -l |
| 13:23.52 | Kharec | Look the permissions |
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| 13:24.30 | masterkorp | Kharec: yeah, but if i had a user to the group log should debian allow read access to it ? |
| 13:24.47 | wols | masterkorp: no. it should allow that process to write logs |
| 13:25.05 | Kharec | wols is right, i'm agree. |
| 13:25.16 | wols | !tell tech13 about private |
| 13:25.47 | masterkorp | Kharec: hmm, yeah i am used to archlinux |
| 13:25.50 | tech13 | okay, so in public, if you prefer, wols, so because I haven't kept my debian install "pure", I should leave? |
| 13:26.38 | abrotman | tech13: that package is not made for Debian |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | (in the past, it actually broke Debian systems) |
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| 13:27.09 | jelly | but it broke badly only at removal time <g> |
| 13:27.26 | wols | jelly: is that what's called "progress"? |
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| 13:28.54 | xand | '/wc |
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| 13:30.58 | jelly | tech13: so does purging or removing using dpkg work? |
| 13:31.14 | tech13 | jelly, yes, worked great. |
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| 13:35.11 | Dev0n_ | do you not get the xf86config in the squeeze repos? |
| 13:36.13 | stew | Dev0n_: nor the lenny nor etch repos, use "X -configure" |
| 13:36.36 | Dev0n_ | ahh# |
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| 13:38.01 | Dev0n_ | hum |
| 13:38.12 | Dev0n_ | xf86MapVidMem: Could not mmap framebuffer |
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| 13:40.20 | disposable | i have a headless fileserver with no graphics card on my network. is there a way to have an xserver running on it and connect to it via vnc? |
| 13:41.37 | colo-work | there is at least one dummy graphics driver available for Xorg |
| 13:41.39 | jelly | disposable: vnc servers on unix in fact work that way by default |
| 13:41.51 | jelly | no need to bring up a separate X server |
| 13:42.17 | colo-work | jelly, that won't result in a "persistent" X session though, now will it? |
| 13:42.19 | Dev0n_ | oh |
| 13:42.24 | colo-work | unless you use something like xnest |
| 13:42.25 | Dev0n_ | startx is bringing up: (EE) SIS(0): Illegal video RAM size (0K) detected, using BIOS-provided info |
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| 13:42.46 | wols | Dev0n_: ouch! |
| 13:42.50 | Dev0n_ | :( ? |
| 13:43.01 | wols | Dev0n_: SIS :( |
| 13:43.22 | jelly | colo-work: I _think_ it's as persistent as the vncserver process, but haven't used it ever |
| 13:43.30 | Dev0n_ | lspci -vv = 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS AGP Port (virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) |
| 13:43.38 | Dev0n_ | wols, what's up? |
| 13:43.43 | Dev0n_ | does it not work with SIS ? |
| 13:44.27 | wols | Dev0n_: both SIS hardware and X drivers are not necessarily of the highest quality. leading to many problems |
| 13:44.34 | Dev0n_ | damn |
| 13:44.37 | Dev0n_ | also, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 13:44.43 | Dev0n_ | so, where does that leave me? |
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| 13:45.19 | wols | Dev0n_: why do you want a xorg.conf? |
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| 13:45.54 | Dev0n_ | well I installed lxde-core and fluxbox |
| 13:45.58 | Dev0n_ | along with the other stuff that it neededs |
| 13:46.01 | Dev0n_ | needs* |
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| 13:46.26 | Dev0n_ | just want a WM and/or a DE on it |
| 13:46.33 | Dev0n_ | so I can connect to it through vnc |
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| 13:47.14 | wols | read what jelly and colo-work wrote above then |
| 13:47.14 | Dev0n_ | I think, it's pretty similar case to disposable's earlier question |
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| 13:47.46 | wols | no need for a real videocard for that. either use xvfb or the VNC x-server. either should work |
| 13:48.06 | Dev0n_ | oh |
| 13:48.08 | wols | but why would you want a x server on a server? |
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| 13:48.35 | Dev0n_ | there are some gui apps that I need to use |
| 13:48.54 | wols | remote X |
| 13:48.54 | disposable | colo-work: so with xserver-video-xorg-dummy, i should be able to start xserver, configure vnc server log in, start application, disconnect, reconnect and continue using the previously started application? or will i lose the session when vnc disconnects? |
| 13:48.58 | wols | MUCH nicer than VNC |
| 13:49.09 | Dev0n_ | can I still use VNC client to connect to it ? |
| 13:49.24 | Justin | thinks Dev0n_ and disposable are long lost twins |
| 13:49.34 | Dev0n_ | hehe |
| 13:49.56 | Dev0n_ | I'm just wondering if things like firefox can be run =x |
| 13:49.59 | Justin | Dev0n_: disposable forget everything you think you know about how X and vnc work, you have it completely wrong and you are making things 10x more complicated than they need to be |
| 13:50.09 | wols | Dev0n_: yes it can, but it will suck |
| 13:50.27 | Justin | Dev0n_: disposable: install a vnc server like vnc4server, run the vnc server, connect. |
| 13:50.28 | colo-work | disposable, thing is, once you got an X session up and you run x11vnc in it, you can access that session for as long as it lasts, much the way VNC works on MS Windows platforms |
| 13:50.29 | mns | Seems like you can't use Google+ with Iceweasel in wheezy. 3.5 is not supported. Have to use Chromium or Google Chrome. |
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| 13:50.50 | Justin | colo-work: stop confusing them |
| 13:50.51 | wols | mns: mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:50.58 | colo-work | mns, just install iceweasel from experimental then |
| 13:51.04 | wols | colo-work: don't do that |
| 13:51.22 | chrissbx | I've done some stuff with udev configuration in the past, but maybe I better ask here first instead: how do you best *name devices*? For example so that a particular usb audio device is getting the same audio device file, and exclusively |
| 13:51.29 | colo-work | Justin, I'm just answering questions actually |
| 13:51.30 | Dev0n_ | ahh vnc4server |
| 13:51.38 | Dev0n_ | so I don't need fluxbox stuff =x |
| 13:51.41 | wols | colo-work: badly |
| 13:51.44 | disposable | colo-work: that's a useless analogy. i haven't used windows for more than 10 minutes at a time in over 10 years. |
| 13:52.00 | wols | Dev0n_: vnc and a window manager have nothing in common. you never need a windowmanager but you still want one |
| 13:52.08 | Justin | Dev0n_: you need a window manager(like fluxbox) you do not need to configure X for your video card. you don't even need to have a video card |
| 13:52.20 | tweek_ | question: i did dpks -S /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils, which said that it belongs to cpufrequtils, then i removed the file, then i reinstalled cpufrequtils, but the file is still missing. why? (i have a backup so no harm done) |
| 13:52.20 | Dev0n_ | oh |
| 13:52.26 | Dev0n_ | omg all this x stuff is confusing me :( |
| 13:52.41 | disposable | omg all this x stuff is confusing me too |
| 13:52.47 | wols | Justin: wasn't there problems with missing keyboard/mouse tho? I vaguely remember such a thing. there are ways around but not trivial |
| 13:53.21 | Justin | wols: nope |
| 13:53.34 | Dev0n_ | removed all the xorg/lxde/fluxbox stuff |
| 13:53.40 | Dev0n_ | startching from scratch |
| 13:54.01 | jelly | tweek_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 13:55.19 | tweek_ | jelly: oh thank you, that is exactly... thanks |
| 13:55.48 | disposable | i'll rephrase my requirement. i want to send a Dreamplug (arm computer with no GPU) to my client. then i want to log in, start a web browser, run a java applet that tests line capacity/connection speeds/open ports/NAT/router's voip capability/etc, disconnect, reconnect 5 minutes later and check the results. problem is if i stay logged in during the test, it'll screw with the results. |
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| 13:58.17 | Dev0n_ | ohlol "Password too long - only the first 8 characters will be used" so much for my 64 char passes >.> |
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| 13:58.30 | Bushmills | disposable: put openvpn client and munin-node on dreamplug. put openvpn server and munin on your box, configure munin to query dreamplug node. |
| 13:59.15 | Bushmills | result: a: you don't care about ip addresses your client uses to connect to the net. b: your box samples client machine automatically when available |
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| 13:59.41 | Bushmills | it so happens that sampling interval is actually 5 minutes with the described setup |
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| 14:01.10 | disposable | Bushmills: unfortunately, i need to use the java applet. it's integrated with a lot of other stuff in the company. so i do need to log in via vnc until i rewrite the applet into an browser free thing. |
| 14:01.16 | Bushmills | oh, and you'd use your webbrowser to open rendered html and graphs on your own machine |
| 14:03.13 | Dev0n_ | heh, vnc4server looks like poop XD |
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| 14:04.23 | tweek_ | another question: can i consider the ondemand settings in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/ondemand/ sane defaults for a laptop or should i reconfigure them? because i just tampered around a little and the frequency scaling behavior seems weird |
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| 14:06.02 | tweek_ | if i lower the up_threshold below 80 or so, the frequency jumps up and down even in idle. whereas the arch wiki suggests going way down if you only want to switch between 'user does something' and idle, which i was going for |
| 14:06.23 | Dev0n_ | is it not possible to set a password longer than 8 chars for vnc4server ? |
| 14:08.02 | Flash_ | vnc standard is 8 chars i believe. realvnc has the same limitation |
| 14:08.54 | Dev0n_ | oh lame |
| 14:09.10 | Justin | you shouldn't be connecting to vnc directly anyway |
| 14:09.32 | Justin | bind it to localhost and connect over ssh |
| 14:09.57 | Dev0n_ | ooh |
| 14:10.01 | Dev0n_ | now that sounds more secure |
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| 14:10.36 | Justin | the vncviewer commandline client will even do that for you if you do 'vncviewer -via actualhost localhost:1' |
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| 14:13.22 | juji | how does the debian installer behave when it has to install the packages? does it selects every package in its pool or are they defined somewhere in the cd/dvd? |
| 14:14.05 | tweek_ | juji: first, a base system is installed, then tasksel is run to select further packages. was that the question? |
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| 14:16.14 | tweek_ | ...tasksel lets you choose large groups of packages, like "desktop environment" or "web server" |
| 14:16.14 | juji | tweek_, actually my purpose is to create a custom cd with a specific package list - for example i want to remove something from the base system and add packages from the repository but also local hand-crafted ones |
| 14:16.58 | Dev0n_ | humm, what if my client machine is windows justing? |
| 14:17.47 | Dev0n_ | looked at some articles and they are all setting the ssh tunnel from the client to vnc4server |
| 14:18.00 | Justin | Dev0n_: putty supports ssh tunnels |
| 14:18.04 | wols | !tell juji about custom cd |
| 14:18.46 | Dev0n_ | ahh true |
| 14:18.50 | juji | wols, thanks, ill have a read |
| 14:19.31 | Dev0n_ | hum Justin, but the vnc4server can still be connected directly :/ ? |
| 14:19.45 | Dev0n_ | is there anything I could do so that it can only be connected through a ssh tunnel |
| 14:20.42 | wols | Dev0n_: he told you: make it listen on localhost only |
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| 14:21.23 | Dev0n_ | oh sorry, this article says do it on your client machine |
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| 14:25.31 | Pierre81 | hi, can anyone help debuging fcgi coredump plz ? |
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| 14:26.15 | Pierre81 | I run debian 6.0.2 on AMD64, and I can't get complete backtrace on it |
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| 14:33.27 | soldo33 | how do i determine what version of openssh i have installed? |
| 14:33.50 | petemc | ssh -V |
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| 14:35.22 | soldo33 | ah ok thanks, i did try it but with lowercase v. V works, and I indeed have a great version. thanks |
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| 14:35.44 | p33 | How to compile "libcapi" ??? |
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| 14:36.39 | jbeatty | In Debian, how do I find out what package contains some binary? Right now I'm looking for glxinfo. |
| 14:36.48 | p33 | already downloaded it from http://tabos.org/ffgtk/download.php |
| 14:36.56 | devil | jbeatty: apt-file search |
| 14:37.08 | amgarching | dpkg -S /bin/bash |
| 14:37.09 | dpkg | You Fool! /bin/bash is installed! |
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| 14:37.17 | jbeatty | devil: req. root? apt-cache search doesn't |
| 14:37.22 | MarKsaitis | I want that application which shows services, their status and ports they use on the system. Can somebody recap me how its called? smth to do with gnome services manager? |
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| 14:37.28 | devil | jbeatty: you need to install it |
| 14:37.57 | devil | jbeatty: then run apt-file update, then its usable. and your answer is mesa-utils |
| 14:38.34 | jbeatty | devil: thanks. I know I could have just looked up for mesa-utils, but I was more concerned with finding Debian's equivalent to pkgfile |
| 14:39.14 | devil | jbeatty: dpkg -S for installed stuff, apt-file for anything in the repos in your sources.list |
| 14:39.50 | somiaj | jbeatty: you can also use the search engines at packages.debian.org |
| 14:40.10 | WormFood | is there something better than cssed in debian? |
| 14:40.49 | somiaj | WormFood: what do you mean better? I prefer vim/gvim for my editing. |
| 14:41.50 | WormFood | I too prefer vim for my work, however I'm rather new to css, and was hoping there would be something that handles it sorta like what dreamweaver does (for lack of a better example) |
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| 14:46.06 | somiaj | some people like firebug -- belive you can use it to modify css directally and see the effect without messing with the live server -- but not something I use. |
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| 14:47.53 | WormFood | firebug is a wonderful tool for testing and troubleshooting, but don't know if it is the best tool for writing css |
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| 14:53.23 | camatkara | hi guys. how does one make a wifi connection persist after logout? |
| 14:53.57 | th0r | camatkara: you would have to define it in /etc/network/interfaces instead of using network-mangler or wicd |
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| 14:54.24 | camatkara | th0r thanks, i'll look at that |
| 14:54.41 | TBotNik | Thank to all who helped me recover my internet last night! |
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| 14:55.23 | Amnesia | does anyone over here know whether there's an newer version of a gnu/kfreebsd live environment? |
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| 14:57.08 | Amnesia | a newer version of ging that is |
| 14:57.59 | stew | Amnesia: ask #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org |
| 14:58.11 | Amnesia | no one's answering over there |
| 14:58.12 | Amnesia | only idling folks |
| 14:58.51 | stew | try the debian-bsd maling list |
| 14:59.39 | Amnesia | hm |
| 15:00.15 | Amnesia | I'm kinda fed up with the linux kernel^^ |
| 15:00.42 | MarKsaitis | why? |
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| 15:01.41 | Amnesia | the focus is too much pointed to new functionalitities |
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| 15:05.43 | p33 | How to solve this? http://pastebin.de/17861 |
| 15:05.51 | p33 | "No okapi20 found." |
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| 15:06.07 | p33 | I mean "cap20 found" |
| 15:06.36 | Dev0n_ | hey is Iceweasel a drop in replacement for firefox ? |
| 15:06.53 | Dev0n_ | will there be plugin compatibility issues? |
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| 15:07.04 | petemc | its firefox with a different name and icon |
| 15:07.15 | petemc | so yes, plugins etc will work fine |
| 15:07.18 | Dev0n_ | cool thx |
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| 15:08.08 | epsilon | just iceweasel's version will be soon like 5 Versions behind firefix... |
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| 15:09.25 | wols | p33: #ubuntu |
| 15:09.47 | Dev0n_ | oh |
| 15:09.51 | Dev0n_ | that's not good =x |
| 15:10.20 | wols | Dev0n_: no worries. mozilla.debian.net |
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| 15:10.25 | kantor | #j ubuntu |
| 15:10.29 | afuentes | what is vim-nox? |
| 15:10.40 | wols | afuentes: vim that doesn't depend on any X libs |
| 15:11.04 | colo-work | depends. you can very well build vim with X11 support. |
| 15:11.05 | afuentes | vim depends on X libs? o.O |
| 15:11.15 | ecksun | do the mozilla.debian.net repo get security updates? |
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| 15:11.15 | colo-work | make sharing SELECTION/PRIMARY with the vim cutbuffer possible |
| 15:11.23 | Dev0n_ | ooh awesome, thx wols |
| 15:11.50 | colo-work | afuentes, vim-nox does not link against libX11, so what I described above is impossible |
| 15:12.07 | colo-work | (but makes vim also shut up if it cannot talk to an X server when you invoke it) |
| 15:12.09 | Shrat | /etc/init.d/networking restart seems a deprecated way of restarting the net. What should I do instead? |
| 15:12.11 | wols | ecksun: it has always the latest versions, including aurora and betas |
| 15:12.35 | wols | Shrat: you can still do it, no worries. you can use ifup/ifdown but that's no different |
| 15:12.53 | kantor | Hello I have an ftp server (vsftpd) And I want to share two directories from two separate paths. I tried to do this with symbolic links but is not working. Is there any possibility to share directories from separate sources, paths? |
| 15:12.55 | Shrat | ok fine thanks |
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| 15:12.58 | ecksun | wols, so no security support from debians side, but from mozillas? |
| 15:13.21 | afuentes | i think i get it, thanks |
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| 15:15.12 | exussum | Hey guys, When using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata my time zone doesnt seem to have DST, How can i either update or manually add it ? |
| 15:15.55 | wols | ecksun those packages are not from mozilla |
| 15:16.56 | ecksun | no, but rebranded clones from their code? |
| 15:17.24 | subuser | is there a way to tell gnome to find gvim without restarting it? it's not showing up after install |
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| 15:20.35 | jenna | Hiya all, anyone else is have libapache2-mod-php5 installation issues ? http://pastebin.com/mauf9eWR |
| 15:21.28 | subuser | there it is, i just had to open up the edit menu on the menu and it showed up |
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| 15:24.47 | stew | jenna: that all looks correct to me, what is the problem? |
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| 15:25.41 | jenna | Stew: I have set up a daemon which prompts me to download phtml file |
| 15:26.14 | stew | jenna: that pastebin you shared seems to show you NOT installing libapache2-mod-php5. you'd need to install that |
| 15:26.22 | jenna | stew, Im guessing since this file is not installed its causing the issues. what do u reckon. Im not sure to accept the solution being given by aptitude ? |
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| 15:27.15 | stew | jenna: you have to use either prefork or itk MPM with mod_php |
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| 15:28.03 | jenna | stew, hmm. |
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| 15:28.53 | jenna | Stew, btw I also need php-pcntl but its not there on debian 6 repos. Can enlighten ? |
| 15:29.14 | Dev0n_ | hum, flashplugin-nonfree isn't part of squeeze anymore? |
| 15:30.00 | nkuttler | Dev0n_: doubtful. it simply downloads stuff.. |
| 15:30.22 | berarma | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:30.24 | stew | Dev0n_: it was never part of debian, it is in the contrib sections though: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 15:30.24 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 15:30.38 | Dev0n_ | ahh |
| 15:30.39 | stew | jenna: I believe it is built in with php |
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| 15:32.03 | jenna | Stew : fine with me. I hope ur belief is not misplaced. |
| 15:32.43 | Dev0n_ | awesome, that worked thx |
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| 15:33.23 | jenna | Stew: hmm still getting prompted for the phtml file download. |
| 15:33.35 | White_R | hi, I'm using mplayer SVN-r31918 on debian squeeze amd64. I cannot see any .srt subtitle, it keeps saying "Failed to open subtitle demuxer" |
| 15:33.45 | stew | jenna: try running "a2enmod php5" |
| 15:34.03 | jenna | stew: was just doing that. thanx |
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| 15:34.36 | jenna | stew: dang. thats already enabled it says. |
| 15:34.57 | snax | do the open source flash drivers suck just as bad as adobe's? Why can't adobe get their own stuff right? |
| 15:35.08 | snax | err flash player plugin |
| 15:36.06 | wols | snax: usually worse. many flash scripts don't work with them at all |
| 15:36.29 | stew | jenna: does "/etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf" exist? |
| 15:36.39 | jenna | yeah. it does. |
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| 15:36.50 | Dev0n_ | are there extra apps I need to install to support vnc4server with 32bit depth ? |
| 15:36.52 | jenna | stew: just vi'ing it. but not sure what to change there |
| 15:37.12 | Dev0n_ | lxde/gnome etc is looking scrambled :( |
| 15:37.19 | Dev0n_ | with 32 bit depth |
| 15:37.36 | stew | Dev0n_: you shoulnd't have to change anything. the "SetHandler application/x-httpd-php" line in there should be doing it |
| 15:37.54 | Dev0n_ | vncserver :1 -localhost -depth 32 |
| 15:37.58 | Dev0n_ | is what I'm doing |
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| 15:38.06 | Dev0n_ | to start the vncserver |
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| 15:41.04 | jenna | waves a kiss towards stew |
| 15:41.08 | White_R | sorry, my bad: I was using -subfile instead of -sub :-/ |
| 15:41.09 | sssh | Hellllo |
| 15:41.22 | jenna | stew: thanx it works now |
| 15:41.22 | sssh | I would indeed need some help yelp. |
| 15:41.27 | Dev0n_ | stew, can't vnc4server work with a 32 bith depth ? |
| 15:41.28 | stew | you're welx |
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| 15:41.36 | sssh | Sound outputs from both speakers, and headphones. |
| 15:41.48 | stew | Dev0n_: no idea. i didn't think X worked with more than 24 bit color |
| 15:41.55 | wnight | How (from the CLI) do I figure out if a virtual package is provided? Sppecifically, console-utilities. I tried apropos and update-alternatives but neither seem to do it, and dpkg-query seems to not show virtual packages. |
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| 15:41.59 | Dev0n_ | oh |
| 15:42.08 | stew | but don't ask me |
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| 15:42.39 | sssh | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) |
| 15:43.14 | stew | ahh, it allows 32 bpp but only 24 bit color? |
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| 15:44.03 | sssh | It voids the purpose of headphones if the speakers also play. |
| 15:44.19 | sssh | Sitting on a bus with headphones on, and the music also coming from my speakers. |
| 15:44.56 | sssh | I had a fix before. |
| 15:46.32 | twobitsprite | can anyone think of a good reason why a security scan script would complain about nfsnobody's uid being > 2147483647 |
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| 15:51.41 | lduros | hello i'm trying to install iceweasel 5 |
| 15:51.48 | lduros | I added this to sources.list: |
| 15:51.50 | lduros | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-5.0 |
| 15:51.51 | sickgut | you cant |
| 15:51.55 | nkuttler | twobitsprite: i would like to know if some user had such a high id |
| 15:51.55 | sickgut | oh ok |
| 15:51.59 | nkuttler | sounds fishy |
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| 15:52.28 | lduros | however when i try apt-get install -t squeese-backports install iceweasel it installs iceweasel 3 |
| 15:52.40 | lduros | 3.5 the current one in debian 6 |
| 15:53.07 | Bushmills | twobitsprite: that happens to be 0x7FFFFFFF |
| 15:53.10 | nkuttler | lduros: did you apt-get update? |
| 15:53.11 | wols | lduros: check apt-cache policy for your package. but your sources.list entry looks wrong. see mozilla.debian.net maybe |
| 15:53.12 | lduros | I get: W: Failed to fetch http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/experimental/iceweasel-5.0/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Fo |
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| 15:53.28 | wols | lduros: as I said: looks wrong. |
| 15:53.58 | lduros | ok |
| 15:54.01 | sickgut | you cant install version 5 with any official debian repo |
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| 15:54.30 | sickgut | version 3. something is the newest debian has |
| 15:54.33 | lduros | wols: ok found it. looks like the blog i took it from was wrong. thanks |
| 15:54.42 | jhutchins_lt | sickgut: Please see http://mozilla.debian.net - not exactly official, but nonetheless there. |
| 15:54.45 | lduros | this looks better: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 15:54.56 | Bushmills | i'd say, that's user nobody not having user id -2, but -1, with 15 bits extended to 31/32 bit |
| 15:55.15 | wols | lduros: much |
| 15:55.44 | sickgut | jhutchins it wont let you install version 5 it isnt even listed there |
| 15:55.56 | Bushmills | ah, uid being > 2147483647 ... probably the same. 32-bit nobody, with signed test |
| 15:56.04 | jhutchins_lt | sickgut: Version 5 is "release". |
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| 15:56.30 | Bushmills | nope. not signed test. id input as signed, then used as unsigned |
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| 15:57.18 | twobitsprite | nkuttler: it's the default ID for the nfsnobody user on some systems |
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| 15:59.20 | parolang | Hello everyone. Basic question, I did "grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log" according to http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, but it gives me three results: vesa, radeon, and ati. How do I know which video driver I'm using? |
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| 16:00.05 | sickgut | lol |
| 16:00.20 | sickgut | it means you dont have a nvidia to start with you have an ati |
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| 16:00.59 | parolang | sickgut: That's fine. But I still need to know the answer. |
| 16:01.30 | jhutchins_lt | parolang: lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 16:02.43 | parolang | jhutchins_lt: Radeon HD 3200 Graphics I think is the relevant excerpt. |
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| 16:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 16:03.12 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 16:03.21 | wols | parolang: you use radeon |
| 16:03.37 | parolang | My larger problem is that I've had my system basically lock down, the screen fizzles up, and I get screeching from the speakers. I suspect it's a video driver problem, so I want to change the driver. |
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| 16:03.52 | berarma | parolang: "lspci -v" should show you the driver in use |
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| 16:04.12 | wols | berarma: X drivers are not kernel drivers |
| 16:04.36 | wols | parolang: you can use fglrx but I doubt it's the videodriver that is at fault |
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| 16:04.52 | parolang | berarma: Okay, it says radeon. Thanks. |
| 16:04.54 | berarma | wols: X drivers need kernel drivers |
| 16:05.01 | parolang | wols: What else could it be? |
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| 16:05.18 | entteri | hello, how to restart dhcpd in debian 6? |
| 16:05.22 | wols | parolang: when does it do what you describe? |
| 16:05.28 | wols | entteri: what for? |
| 16:05.42 | entteri | i have made some misconfiguration and it's stopped. |
| 16:05.45 | White_R | entteri: /etc/init.d/dhcpd restart ? |
| 16:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | parolang: Does it start properly in rescue mode? |
| 16:06.00 | White_R | (without question mark) |
| 16:06.24 | Amnesia | hm question |
| 16:06.36 | entteri | White_R: yes it used to be. But for some reason i get "No such file or directory". |
| 16:06.37 | Amnesia | how can I prevent apt-get to ignore repositories? |
| 16:06.59 | parolang | wols: I haven't seen any sort of pattern, it just does it seemingly randomly after I've been using it for a couple of hours. I use pretty vanilla Debian Squeeze GNOME 2 desktop. No 3D or anything like that. I did have to upgrade the kernel in order to get my wifi working. |
| 16:07.03 | White_R | entteri: sorry, I never used it :-/ |
| 16:07.15 | entteri | White_R: np |
| 16:07.25 | parolang | jhutchins_lt: Well, I have to power it off, and just restart it. I don't have any problems booting it up. |
| 16:07.27 | wols | parolang: upgrade to what (the kernel)? |
| 16:08.07 | parolang | wols: I use 2.6.39.3 now. |
| 16:08.50 | wols | parolang: self compiled? |
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| 16:09.35 | parolang | wols: Yeah. I had to compile semi-proprietary wifi drivers. (rtl8192se) |
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| 16:11.29 | parolang | wols: But that is all I've done to the system. I'm new to Debian, and right now my setup is pretty vanilla. Well, I changed the background picture :) |
| 16:11.51 | wols | !rtl9192se |
| 16:11.57 | wols | !rtl8192se |
| 16:11.57 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172) and RTL8192SE (PCI IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174, some 10ec:8192) are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192se) is in mainline since Linux 3.0-rc1, enabled in Debian kernel images at linux-2.6 3.0.0~rc1-1~experimental.1. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192sefw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware>. |
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| 16:12.20 | wols | parolang: maybe try this 3.0 kernel from experimental? |
| 16:12.25 | twobitsprite | parolang: you change that what?! that's going to break everything! :P |
| 16:12.57 | entteri | Whiter_R: i figured it out. In debian 6 it is /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server = $ |
| 16:13.05 | parolang | twobitsprite: :P |
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| 16:14.02 | parolang | wols: I thought about that, but didn't know there's a Debian package. Can I use that from squeeze or do I need to upgrade to wheezy or something? |
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| 16:15.04 | wols | you should be able to use it from squeeze. download it and install with dpkg -i |
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| 16:15.23 | parolang | wols: I actually *wanted* a stable debian system that I can depend on. I'm a little disappointed that I'm having troubles with stable. |
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| 16:16.10 | parolang | wols: Well, first, how sure are we that this is a problem with that driver and not the graphics driver? |
| 16:16.13 | wols | parolang: if you want the newest hardware (and shitty hardware to boot. realtek wlan is not exactly top drawer :P) you get problems like this... |
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| 16:16.47 | wols | cause he HD3200 is old, radeon is fairly old and well tested too but your realtek driver is brand new |
| 16:16.49 | parolang | wols: Yeah, well, I didn't know about these problems when I bought my system. And it isn't *that* new. |
| 16:17.20 | wols | well, your realtek chip is. the videocard isn't. which is why it's morelikly the new stuff is the culprit. or something along alsa or acpi or so |
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| 16:18.32 | parolang | wols: Okay, that sounds reasonable. Thank you. |
| 16:19.22 | parolang | wols: I think I read somewhere in my hours of google searching that the kernel driver is probably better than the manufacturing driver anyway :) |
| 16:19.55 | wols | parolang: that's always a given. kernel drivers might come a bit later but are preferable to vendor driver any day |
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| 16:21.01 | nyuszika7h | Hi, why can't I scroll in `tail -f' on Debian? |
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| 16:22.39 | parolang | wols: So I take it I need to install package linux-2.6 3.0.0~rc1-1~experimental.1 ? |
| 16:22.41 | nyuszika7h | Ah, nevermind, it's running inside screen, Shift-PgUp/PgDn is not working... there is a copy mode of screen. |
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| 16:23.11 | orflon | hello, i'm trying to make skype work with my web camera. Cheese recognises the camera, skype doesn't. I've read lots of articles about gspca module, but there isn't such a thing in repositories. Any clues? |
| 16:23.29 | wols | parolang: it's up to rc7 or so by now. and you don't "need" to, just a suggestion what you might be able to do |
| 16:23.49 | th0r | orflon: I had the same problem and found a solution. Let me pastebinit for you |
| 16:23.58 | orflon | th0r, thanks. |
| 16:24.01 | parolang | wols: Yeah. I mean, I'm looking for the name of the package :) |
| 16:24.29 | th0r | orflon: http://pastebin.com/f2sWKWj0 |
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| 16:24.50 | orflon | just load that library? |
| 16:24.53 | orflon | let me try it.. |
| 16:24.58 | th0r | orflon: use that script to call skype. |
| 16:25.23 | th0r | orflon: you can test by using that line in a terminal |
| 16:25.38 | orflon | th0r, doing it now, let's see. |
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| 16:26.16 | orflon | th0r, awesome, thanks a lot mate! |
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| 16:26.36 | wols | parolang: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=experimental§ion=all choose the one you need :) |
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| 16:28.03 | parolang | wols: I can install those in squeeze without problems? Or is it going to upgrade my system to wheezy? |
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| 16:29.30 | wols | if you simply ues dpkg -i it either installs fine, or it will error. it will NOT ugprade to another debian branch. |
| 16:29.47 | ws2k3 | hello guys does anyone know when the linux 3.0 kernel is coming to debian? it has bether support for sandy bridge and i'm running one so |
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| 16:30.10 | stew | ws2k3: RSN |
| 16:30.20 | PragCypher | i don't think 3.0 kernel has any serious updates to it |
| 16:30.39 | ws2k3 | stew rsn? |
| 16:30.49 | parolang | PragCypher: Except for me, it is the first kernel version that has a driver for my wifi. |
| 16:30.59 | stew | !rsn |
| 16:30.59 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (see <wir> and <siyh>), or Robust Security Network: the Wi-Fi Alliance's full 802.11i implementation (aka WPA2, see <wpa>). |
| 16:31.11 | ws2k3 | Kernel Version 3.0 includes support for new Intel hardware, such as Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and CPU's. |
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| 16:31.25 | alex-- | difference between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 16:31.32 | ws2k3 | debian is bether:D |
| 16:31.47 | parolang | alex--: Depends on what is relevant to your needs. |
| 16:31.51 | wols | !tell alex-- about why debian |
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| 16:31.54 | alex-- | for a server |
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| 16:31.57 | Flash_ | not so much chalk and cheese, more stilton and brie |
| 16:31.57 | ws2k3 | the biggest difference is that in my seeing debian is more for servers. |
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| 16:32.14 | PragCypher | parolang: hmm well if you have no luck consider going directly to the linux wireless driver page, you could compile it for your kernel |
| 16:32.15 | alex-- | what are the differences in the commands? |
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| 16:32.27 | ws2k3 | debian is an OS that not updates much because if debian brings out updates its need to be 110 % stable |
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| 16:32.29 | wols | alex--: it's both linux |
| 16:32.36 | alex-- | i know |
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| 16:32.42 | parolang | PragCypher: I guess I'd prefer to use a debian package if available. |
| 16:32.49 | ws2k3 | alex so the most command would be the same |
| 16:32.54 | alex-- | most? |
| 16:33.01 | stew | alex--: one is volunteer run, one is run by a corporation. one concentrates on free stable software, one concentrates on usability? |
| 16:33.10 | wols | parolang: yes that's an option too. compatwireless at http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download might have drivers for your chip |
| 16:33.10 | ws2k3 | alot commands are the same |
| 16:33.16 | parolang | But next time I buy a computer I'm definitely going to shop for hardware that I have drivers for. |
| 16:33.17 | alex-- | i never worked with debian server, is it hard to learn? |
| 16:33.21 | ompaul | excuse me - debian is usable |
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| 16:33.27 | ws2k3 | alex no |
| 16:33.42 | wols | parolang: compatwireless only replaces wifi kernel modules, nothing else. works fine |
| 16:34.00 | ws2k3 | in my seeing not i started with debian 5 years ago by just putting in the CD in the drive and google how to install webserver debian. and that worked out good for me |
| 16:34.01 | zero_errfa | i've got a problem on a debian server here in my company,having dificult just to add a new sata hard drive |
| 16:34.07 | ws2k3 | that way i learned to know debian |
| 16:34.16 | parolang | wols: Okay, cool. Another option. |
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| 16:34.28 | wols | ompaul: but you can't say with a straight face that it concentrates on end user usability. btw: stew didn't say it wasn't usable |
| 16:34.34 | parolang | Thanks everyone, wols. |
| 16:34.42 | alex-- | what would you people suggest for me? a noob in linux |
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| 16:34.53 | wols | alex--: for a desktop? |
| 16:34.53 | ws2k3 | debian would be my advice |
| 16:35.06 | alex-- | wols: server |
| 16:35.06 | ws2k3 | wols he is looking for a server |
| 16:35.18 | wols | then debian imho |
| 16:35.47 | ompaul | wols: ahh I see the question mark - I would be better spending my time elsewhere ;-) so I best go give something some attention |
| 16:35.48 | ws2k3 | and debian is pretty easy to learn ofcrouse u have to invest time and effort. |
| 16:35.56 | Coornail | asking what linux to use on a distros channel… =D |
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| 16:36.40 | ws2k3 | alex when i started to use debian i never wanted any other OS anymore i just love it |
| 16:36.43 | ws2k3 | best distro ever |
| 16:36.51 | wols | alex--: for a start I'd suggest you install linux, any linux, on a desktop and try to use the command line. see what you can do, how it works, etc |
| 16:36.58 | alex-- | i installed ubuntu server |
| 16:37.01 | wols | better than immediately running a server |
| 16:37.08 | wols | alex--: then use it |
| 16:37.09 | alex-- | and used ubuntu desktop for a while |
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| 16:38.12 | ws2k3 | ubuntu is to unstable |
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| 16:38.31 | ws2k3 | u cannot count the bugs on one hand:) |
| 16:38.43 | wols | neither can you on debian |
| 16:39.08 | ws2k3 | wols i know but compared ubuntu vs debian? |
| 16:39.16 | ws2k3 | which has more bugs? |
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| 16:39.27 | th0r | please don't feed the trolls |
| 16:39.43 | ws2k3 | i know but i'm just askding the question more directly |
| 16:39.56 | wols | ws2k3: that goes without saying. rather run sid than a ubuntu which is less than a month released :) |
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| 16:40.26 | alex-- | wols: 10.04 lts |
| 16:40.33 | alex-- | next release is over 4 years |
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| 16:40.59 | jbeatty | debian > ubuntu period, for anything |
| 16:41.18 | th0r | see...if you feed the trolls they multiply |
| 16:41.21 | jelly | !start a distro war |
| 16:41.21 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 16:41.23 | stew | this type of dicussion is rarely productive... |
| 16:41.30 | wols | alex--: we only deal with debian here, not ubuntu |
| 16:41.43 | jbeatty | noobuntu is garbage |
| 16:41.47 | jbeatty | take that shit to #garbage |
| 16:41.55 | alex-- | jbeatty: there is nobody in there |
| 16:41.59 | jbeatty | good |
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| 16:42.36 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse nobody is in there only ubuntu belongs there :D |
| 16:42.48 | stew | ws2k3: please just drop it |
| 16:42.49 | babilen | alex--: Please read the Debian reference -- http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ -- What kind of services to you have to provide on your server? |
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| 16:43.48 | alex-- | babilen: webhosting and gamehosting |
| 16:43.54 | ws2k3 | not to be trolling its good that an OS like ubuntu exsist they develop hard on ubuntu and make linux more user friendly for default computer users its the kind of OS that is one of the first that brings linux to a desktop |
| 16:44.17 | stew | ws2k3: please stay on-topic |
| 16:44.37 | jbeatty | ws2k3: user friendliness sucks, people who can't read documentation should stick with an abacus |
| 16:44.53 | ws2k3 | jbeatty yeah i know |
| 16:45.11 | ws2k3 | but for people that just wanne click there is finaly soft of a alternative for windows on a desktop |
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| 16:50.23 | babilen | alex--: I don't know anything about gamehosting, but Debian is a good platform for webhosting. You might want to look into apache, lighttpd and yaws. |
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| 16:50.54 | alex-- | is apache2 better of lighttpd? |
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| 16:51.05 | jelly | "it depends" |
| 16:51.09 | gholms | Is there a standard practice for choosing debian_revision for packages that aren't yet in debian? I'm trying to figure out if one usually goes with something like "-0.1" or "-0foo1". |
| 16:51.14 | stew | "better" |
| 16:51.15 | ws2k3 | depends on what u need |
| 16:51.22 | ws2k3 | what is bether? |
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| 16:51.34 | alex-- | less resource intensive |
| 16:51.37 | alex-- | better security |
| 16:51.39 | alex-- | faster loading |
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| 16:52.01 | stew | gholms: are you preparing something for debian? or are you preparing something and trying to account for a new version of the package which might be uploaded to debian by someone else? or what? |
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| 16:54.31 | Tekk_ | did anyone else just lose mesa in wheezy? |
| 16:54.40 | Tekk_ | within the last day |
| 16:54.55 | Tekk_ | glxgears fails with Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 16:54.55 | Tekk_ | , am I stuck just waiting for a fix? |
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| 16:56.13 | gholms | stew: I'm upstream for a package that is in Debian. I have to publish packages for the latest versions as they are released, but I want to ensure that when the version in unstable gets updated then that package will supercede my own. |
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| 16:56.52 | Tekk_ | gholms: what's the issue? |
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| 16:57.25 | maiquelconsalter | hi, i have to configure the htb in my interface eth0 for customers to leave for http (80) with 30K. Somone help with my script http://pastebin.com/g9v7KXBQ |
| 16:57.56 | stew | gholms: -0.1 is what would be used for an NMU of a new upstream version, so its somewhat appropriate |
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| 16:58.26 | aminpy | I downloaded chrome and installed it with debian packa ..., how to remove it? |
| 16:58.44 | aminpy | how can I remove it like purge command in apt-get |
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| 16:59.07 | aminpy | I want to use chromium and I don't need to chrome |
| 16:59.25 | Tekk_ | aminpy: apt-get remove? |
| 16:59.37 | maiquelconsalter | apt-get remove --purge PACKAGE ? |
| 16:59.52 | aminpy | what's the chrome package? |
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| 16:59.58 | gholms | Tekk_: Debian has version 1.6.2. When I publish version 3.1.0 as upstream I want an update to 3.1.0 in unstable to supercede the package that I publish. |
| 17:00.02 | gholms | stew: Thanks |
| 17:00.23 | aminpy | Tekk_, maiquelconsalter apt-get purge |
| 17:00.26 | stew | wow, that's a big version jump :) |
| 17:00.43 | gholms | Yeah, the package has... languished. :( |
| 17:00.55 | stew | gholms: is the debian package maintainer active? |
| 17:01.12 | gholms | stew: Not lately. |
| 17:01.39 | exussum | Hey guys, When using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata my time zone doesnt seem to have DST, How can i either update or manually add it ? |
| 17:01.58 | stew | gholms: what package? should debian be doing something about this? would you offer to be a co-maintainer or maintainer? |
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| 17:03.58 | woshty | i am still looking to dump my current running xorg config that got autodetected .. X -configure does not provide what i want |
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| 17:04.45 | wols | woshty: you cannot dump it. you can only provide another xorg.conf file where the things you don't like by the normal one are changed. X will honor it |
| 17:05.52 | gholms | stew: eucalyptus. The maintainers all work for upstream (the company), but it seems that rebasing the package that is actually in debian hasn't been much of a priority. I wouldn't say that anything needs to be done about it yet. |
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| 17:06.12 | woshty | wols: hmm, how does X on autodetect determine things like which port is hdmi, which is dvi and so on. that information is missing when i run just run -configure |
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| 17:06.54 | wols | gholms: dunno. normally it checks edid, and whatever responds is tagged as an active port |
| 17:07.23 | envirocbr | anyone here work with keepalived/VRRP in conjunction with Juniper switches? |
| 17:07.32 | envirocbr | This is a Linux question BTW |
| 17:07.34 | woshty | wols: but i will have to do that by hand if using a config, right? |
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| 17:07.43 | gholms | wols: I think that was meant for woshty. ;) |
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| 17:08.53 | wols | woshty: no. it should still check and do accordingly. whatever is not in xorg, it will autodetect as if there were no xorg.conf at all |
| 17:09.07 | wols | envirocbr: ask your real question |
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| 17:10.23 | woshty | wols: now that i have firmware :/ and am using kms plus dri2 (i think): i am almost exactly getting 60fps (running at 60Hz) at glxgears. is that expected behavior? |
| 17:10.58 | wols | woshty: glxgear is totally useless as a benchmark. utterly. even worse than years ago |
| 17:11.14 | wols | woshty: glxinfo |grep direct |
| 17:11.16 | jelly | woshty: yes, that means vsync functionality is working |
| 17:11.42 | wols | jelly: most software rendering should do 60 fps too :) |
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| 17:12.02 | woshty | wols: Gallium 0.4 on AMD PALM |
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| 17:12.20 | jbeatty | if direct rendering = yes, what does that mean? |
| 17:12.21 | woshty | jelly: i thought of something like vsync |
| 17:12.21 | wols | AMD PALM? wth is Palm? |
| 17:12.43 | woshty | palmino? dunno, it is a e350 zacate APU |
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| 17:13.04 | jelly | woshty: there's no need to render more frames than what the screen actually shows, so most decent OpenGL drivers limit fps to the vertical refresh rate |
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| 17:13.57 | jelly | woshty: dunno aobut gallium, you might be able to use the driconf tool to change settings (and make it ignore that default) |
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| 17:14.27 | wols | woshty: interesting. what debian version do you run on it? |
| 17:14.43 | woshty | wols: wheezy .. squeeze did not work |
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| 17:15.04 | wols | yes, to be expected |
| 17:15.16 | wols | but good to know that wheezy does |
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| 17:17.39 | woshty | wols: with the firmware :) i read at phoronix irrc that you cannot use both digital output together .. have to try that now |
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| 17:27.50 | juniorsa | Hi, I am running lenny on a amd x2, I am running md with 2 mirrored sets (md0 and md1), if I replace the motherboard to a Phenom II with 6 cores will the hard drives work if I move them into the new machine? |
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| 17:28.36 | juniorsa | will sdxx change? will md work? |
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| 17:29.03 | jelly | juniorsa: even if the order of sd devices changes, md still knows how to find the members |
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| 17:29.21 | juniorsa | jelly: so it will just work? no risk? |
| 17:29.30 | destinal_ | I've got a strange / interesting problem wherein I need to boot a newly installed system from an install CD but set root fs to the hard drive. root=/dev/sda1 doesn't work (I guess I still need the initrd for kernel modules for ext4?) -- I've googled it a bit but can't seem to find the proper boot line, anyone here know? |
| 17:29.30 | juniorsa | I am also running drbd :) |
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| 17:30.28 | juniorsa | ha ha no risk ??? :( |
| 17:30.37 | destinal_ | apparently my motherboard has an onboard IDE / PATA but no capability to boot from it |
| 17:30.43 | jelly | juniorsa: if your /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is up to date and lists all the ARRAYs, and if current initramfs image has been created with the correct mdadm.conf, there's little risk |
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| 17:30.57 | jelly | juniorsa: I have no idea about drbd though |
| 17:31.22 | juniorsa | jelly: do I have to make sure to connect the old sata1 to the new sata1 and old sata2 to new sata2 etc? |
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| 17:32.27 | jelly | juniorsa: not for mdadm, but your boot process might suffer if you don't |
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| 17:33.07 | juniorsa | so I will make sure sata1 goes to sata1 and so on and the risk should be minimal? |
| 17:33.14 | sdx24 | juniorsa: why should i change? |
| 17:33.28 | juniorsa | sdx24: not sure I understand? |
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| 17:33.58 | sdx24 | "juniorsa> will sdxx change?" :) |
| 17:34.31 | juniorsa | sdx24: oh sorry I'm paranoid |
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| 17:35.25 | juniorsa | sdx24: :) I meant sda change to sdb or something strange like that |
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| 17:35.46 | jelly | juniorsa: are your mdadm settings valid and uptodate? |
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| 17:36.34 | juniorsa | jelly: how do I check, I didn't change anything in mdadm |
| 17:36.57 | jelly | juniorsa: do you have ARRAY lines for your arrays in there, and are they valid |
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| 17:39.47 | juniorsa | jelly: here is my mdadm and fstab http://pastebin.com/EWtfgUEL |
| 17:40.15 | envirocbr | wols: SOrry for the delay, i was called in a meeting |
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| 17:40.28 | envirocbr | I have an Iptables FW pair that use keepalived for HA |
| 17:40.45 | envirocbr | and a few LVS servers that use VRRP as well |
| 17:40.47 | juniorsa | jelly: let me know if everything looks ok, I think we are safe |
| 17:41.27 | envirocbr | when I introduced Juniper switches at the core and setup VRRP for HA on the junipers, the multicast was picked up by the linux boxes using VRRP and played hell with them forcing reelections |
| 17:41.36 | jelly | juniorsa: compare the ARRAY lines to output of mdadm --examine --scan, and your current /proc/mdstat |
| 17:41.49 | envirocbr | However, keepalived is configured with authentication and the Junipers are now, so it SHOULD not have affected keepalivd |
| 17:41.53 | envirocbr | keepalived |
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| 17:42.42 | envirocbr | However, it did so I am trying to see if anyone has advice on keepalived and why it did this when the router-id's were different and the authentication should have failed when it recieved the VRRP multicast packet from the Junipers |
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| 17:43.09 | DeathWolf | hi all, does anyone know how one can change the default gcc version? |
| 17:43.09 | rysiek|pl | guys, any tc guru here? |
| 17:43.19 | stew | rysiek|pl: just ask your real question |
| 17:43.21 | DeathWolf | (there has to be a dpkg-reconfigure way, right?) |
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| 17:43.45 | stew | DeathWolf: if your makefiles are written well, you modify the value of the CC environment variable |
| 17:43.47 | rysiek|pl | in theory tc cbq class has two *optional* arguments |
| 17:43.49 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.50 | rysiek|pl | bounded and isolated |
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| 17:44.07 | rysiek|pl | but I cannot seem to get it to run without any of those |
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| 17:44.10 | rysiek|pl | i.e.: /usr/sbin/tc qdisc add dev "$DEV" root handle 1: cbq avpkt 1000 bandwidth 100mbit |
| 17:44.13 | juniorsa | jelly: md0 and md1 are the same, but md2 and md3 are not how do I update this? |
| 17:44.14 | rysiek|pl | gives me an error |
| 17:44.14 | DeathWolf | ok so just that symlink being changed is fine wols? |
| 17:44.27 | rysiek|pl | add bounded *or* isolated *or both* and it's fine |
| 17:44.28 | DeathWolf | stew: well, I'm afraid debbuild with its fakeroot will ignore that |
| 17:44.54 | stew | fakeroot has nothing to do with it |
| 17:45.20 | juniorsa | jelly: how can I get mdadm.conf to sync with the actual md reality |
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| 17:45.32 | DeathWolf | apologies then, I figured debbuild "sanitized" a lot, including env variables |
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| 17:46.30 | stew | rysiek|pl: why would you use cbq instead of htb? |
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| 17:47.21 | rysiek|pl | stew: triet htb and it didn't work too well here |
| 17:47.27 | rysiek|pl | maybe doing something wrong, though |
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| 17:47.57 | rysiek|pl | stew: basically, my problem is to limit bw for each of WiFi users on a conference |
| 17:48.32 | rysiek|pl | each, separately, not the whole address class altogether |
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| 17:49.33 | minh | Hi there! Is there any secure way to let a dedicated user ssh into a system but "lock"/restrict him to his home-directory? |
| 17:49.37 | stew | rysiek|pl: "tc qdisc add dev "$DEV" root handle 1: cbq avpkt 1000 bandwidth 100mbit" doesn't work for you? |
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| 17:49.53 | breardo | hello.. |
| 17:49.58 | rysiek|pl | stew: nope |
| 17:50.01 | breardo | when I 'touch' a file, it should be set to size 0 correct? |
| 17:50.17 | breardo | im running squeeze, and when i 'touch' a file, the size is 4.2GB :| |
| 17:50.21 | rysiek|pl | stew: I wand each user to have their own 256kbit line |
| 17:50.45 | rysiek|pl | stew: so that no single user can take up the whole bw |
| 17:50.56 | breardo | 4,294,967,295 bytes each |
| 17:51.01 | stew | rysiek|pl: hmm, except for the 100mb, that is exactly the command used for root in the wondershaper script |
| 17:51.15 | rysiek|pl | stew: oh the command works |
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| 17:51.18 | dualcore | how can i make it so files open directly without asking if i want to run them first? |
| 17:51.26 | jelly | juniorsa: add the missing output from mdadm --examine --scan to mdadm.conf, regenerate your initrd images with update-initramfs, verify the machine still boots |
| 17:51.28 | rysiek|pl | stew: thought you were asking is that a solution for me |
| 17:51.34 | rysiek|pl | stew: the root command works |
| 17:51.38 | somiaj | dualcore: be more specific? How are you opening files? with some file manager like nautless? |
| 17:51.48 | rysiek|pl | stew: the class meant for a single user "inside" the root doesnt |
| 17:51.54 | rysiek|pl | stew: so it's: |
| 17:51.56 | stew | rysiek|pl: what is a command that fails? |
| 17:52.28 | Virtualmix | breardo, if you touch a file that already exist, the size should remain the same. |
| 17:52.43 | rysiek|pl | stew: now I see I pasted the wrong command here; the one that fails is: |
| 17:52.45 | breardo | these files do not exist.. i was just messing around with it |
| 17:52.46 | rysiek|pl | stew: /usr/sbin/tc class add dev eth1 parent 1: classid 1:10 cbq rate 256kbit allot 1500 prio 5 |
| 17:53.13 | dualcore | somiaj: yes using nautilus when i double click a file, it asks if i want to run or display it, i just want it to display it every time. mainly for php, html, css, and js files |
| 17:53.20 | rysiek|pl | stew: I get: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 17:53.21 | Virtualmix | breardo, then its very weird. How do you check the file size? |
| 17:53.24 | breardo | with ls |
| 17:53.27 | breardo | ls -l |
| 17:53.44 | breardo | ext3 fs |
| 17:53.48 | breardo | im gonna fsck it |
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| 17:54.16 | breardo | i see the number is the upper limit size in 32-bit |
| 17:54.22 | stew | rysiek|pl: i think avpkt is required there |
| 17:54.46 | stew | rysiek|pl: does it work when you add somehting like "avpkt 1000" to the end? |
| 17:54.54 | somiaj | dualcore: look up how to configure nautless to do that option for the mime / suffix type you click on -- note do these files have the +x (execute) bit on them? |
| 17:55.37 | rysiek|pl | stew: you, sir, just earned a sixpack |
| 17:55.55 | rysiek|pl | stew: but why did that work without avpkt but with bounded isolated, then? |
| 17:55.57 | rysiek|pl | -_-' |
| 17:56.04 | Virtualmix | breardo, yep. What result do you obtain if you check the file size with: stat -c%s yourfile |
| 17:56.04 | rysiek|pl | stew: thanks a *lot* |
| 17:56.42 | stew | rysiek|pl: but anyway, aiui, there should be little reason to choose cbq over htb or hfsc |
| 17:57.03 | breardo | i'll let you know in a few mins |
| 17:57.21 | rysiek|pl | stew: now that I have a script that, you know, *works*, I'll test them all. |
| 17:57.45 | dualcore | somiaj: they could be executable that's probably why. i may have accidentally made the whole folder +x |
| 17:58.02 | rysiek|pl | stew: meaning htb rate 256kbit ceil 1024kbit; cbq rate 256kbit; cbq rate 256kbit bounded isolated |
| 17:58.08 | somiaj | dualcore: well that is most likely why nautless is asking you that....those files have no reason to have the +x on them |
| 17:58.22 | somiaj | dualcore: because its set up if it sees a +x script it will run it for you if you wanted |
| 17:59.07 | juniorsa | Jelly: any idea how to update my mdadm with the proper information returned from mdadm --examine --scan |
| 17:59.15 | dualcore | so if i chmod -R -x my entire web directory i should be good? |
| 17:59.16 | acathur | minh: rssh, rush, ... |
| 17:59.27 | jelly | juniorsa: it's a text file, edit it! |
| 17:59.28 | breardo | comes back size 0 Virtualmix |
| 17:59.32 | dualcore | something like that |
| 17:59.42 | breardo | like a file created with dd and 'sparse' or something |
| 17:59.42 | juniorsa | jelly: ok thanks |
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| 18:03.51 | stew | rysiek|pl: what i mean is that, as i understant id, htb accomplishes what cbq tries to, but is easier to understand and faster. i think CBQ was "use this until we actually have HTB in the kernel", and we got htb in the kernel like 8 years ago or something |
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| 18:04.02 | breardo | also weird: once I place actual data inside the newly 'touched' file -- the size becomes accurate. |
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| 18:04.08 | stew | rysiek|pl: and hfsc is something even newer (however because of this, harder to find documentation for) |
| 18:04.26 | breardo | I dont think i'm going to proceed with using this gear in production :) |
| 18:04.28 | juniorsa | jelly: so just to make sure I understand, first update mdadm.conf to be in sync with mdadm --examine --scan, and then I should be ok to change the motherboard? |
| 18:05.28 | jelly | juniorsa: update mdadm.conf and regenerate initrd images, yes |
| 18:05.55 | juniorsa | jelly: ok so now another stupid question how do I regenerate initrd images? |
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| 18:06.05 | jelly | juniorsa: using update-initramfs |
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| 18:06.17 | juniorsa | ok excellent, thanks |
| 18:06.22 | breardo | i have to use mkinitramfs :) |
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| 18:07.38 | juniorsa | jelly: please be on irc at 11pm est so I can ask you how to commit suicide? |
| 18:08.07 | juniorsa | :) |
| 18:08.08 | daemonkeeper | Why has it to be 11pm? |
| 18:08.21 | juniorsa | I have to do it once traffic on my server is lower |
| 18:08.29 | ksk | hey |
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| 18:09.06 | ksk | is there some tool in the repos which tells me (eg writes an email) if an usb-device/anything else is plugged into the computer? |
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| 18:09.36 | wolfpython | what's the difference between echo --version and /bin/echo --version? |
| 18:09.49 | daemonkeeper | The actual echo in use |
| 18:09.53 | breardo | one is the shell command 'echo' one is the binary |
| 18:09.59 | fenugreek | ksk: udev or hal could |
| 18:10.10 | cahoot | as in bash-built-in? |
| 18:10.10 | fenugreek | wolfpython: help echo |
| 18:10.23 | daemonkeeper | If you don't use echo by path, your shell may be superseding the command by its won implementation. |
| 18:10.58 | wolfpython | daemonkeeper, breardo : thanks! |
| 18:12.06 | jelly | 23:00 EST is like 05:00 CEST so not bloody likely |
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| 18:12.12 | somiaj | ksk: udev notices when these devices, you may have to write your own udev rule to do that. |
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| 18:12.32 | fenugreek | and little mailing script |
| 18:12.36 | fenugreek | shouldn't take you that long |
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| 18:15.43 | nse | hey folks, this is NOT span: http://www.portalcab.com/leo/uprightneSs.htm |
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| 18:17.00 | fenugreek | nse: hrmm? |
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| 18:17.10 | stew | it was, however, "spam" |
| 18:17.16 | simonlnu | 'span'? no. spam, probably. |
| 18:17.23 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 18:21.28 | Talon_ | is it a bad idea to mix squeeze and testing packages? I tried everything under the sun to get back into X after I bought a new gfx card, a geforce gt 430, and nothing worked until I changed my repos to testing and updated nvidia-glx. now its working great, just wondering if that was a bad idea, and if so, can I just take squeeze to testing? |
| 18:21.56 | aetas | Talon_, it makes managing dependencies a bit more difficult, thats mainly it |
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| 18:22.44 | simonlnu | uh, differing eglibc version make it near impossible to do safely |
| 18:22.49 | simonlnu | versions* |
| 18:23.36 | valdyn | Talon_: its bad for some packages, but mainly, if you have to ask you probably shouldnt mix |
| 18:23.50 | valdyn | Talon_: that said, just nvidia-glx is probably not a problem at all |
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| 18:26.32 | tharkun | Talon_: ssb is your friend |
| 18:26.43 | somiaj | Talon_: its never a good idea to mix packages from testing to stable -- all it takes is one lib dependency that isn't in stable (for a newer version) and you will start to bring in testing libs and mess with your libc6 or other base libs which can lead to undesired results -- look for backports or make your own. |
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| 18:27.42 | Talon_ | i'd rather just dist upgrade to testing then, or i guess if i have to, re-install but man that'd take a lot of work to get back to what I got lol |
| 18:28.13 | somiaj | why not just look for a backport, the nvidia drivers are probabaly a common backport so people can run newer nvidida hardware in stable. |
| 18:29.13 | Talon_ | whats wrong with running testing for a desktop machine? |
| 18:29.23 | tharkun | Nothing |
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| 18:29.39 | somiaj | Talon_: can you fix your own problems if they break? |
| 18:29.56 | rhiebert | Hey all. I'm installing a PHP CMS on debian. There's no package for it, so I'm installing it manually (Squiz Matrix if you're wondering). I'm wondering where I should put it. At first I was thinking /opt/matrix, but since some of the folders need to be modified during regular use, I'm thinking perhaps /var/opt/matrix. I can't split it up, I have to keep it all together. |
| 18:30.08 | Talon_ | I managed to get my gfx fixed so I'd say I think so. |
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| 18:30.21 | nkuttler | testing sometimes takes forever for bugfixes from unstable to trickle down |
| 18:30.31 | rhiebert | feel free to point me to a better place to ask... |
| 18:30.39 | somiaj | Talon_: also check the /topic for the better channel for support/discussion for non-stable -- its on another irc server though |
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| 18:30.42 | valdyn | rhiebert: its your choice |
| 18:30.48 | cahoot | rhiebert, debian doesn't care about /usr/local |
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| 18:30.52 | ksk | fenugreek: somiaj thanks |
| 18:31.07 | somiaj | rhiebert: check the /topic for the place to ask about testing/unstable. |
| 18:31.08 | Talon_ | otfc or whatever it is? |
| 18:31.21 | valdyn | ./usr/local wouldnt match the fhs for this |
| 18:32.01 | somiaj | rhiebert: /opt or /usr/local are two common place to put non debian packaged files -- you could also look into rolling your own debian package. |
| 18:32.07 | tharkun | Talon_: Testing is usually a rough ride the first few months after a release, then the rides get smother by the day. |
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| 18:32.35 | nkuttler | rhiebert: i just put stuff in /var/www/ though /sites is afaik also recommended in the fhs. or are there binaries included? |
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| 18:33.34 | rhiebert | @nkuttler yeah, there's binaries, and cache files, and conf files, all in one place. horrible, but needs to stay that way until I understand it MUCH more. |
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| 18:34.24 | rhiebert | somiaj, valdyn: is /opt intended for static data only? |
| 18:34.40 | valdyn | rhiebert: no |
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| 18:35.04 | valdyn | rhiebert: /opt/app/*whatever* |
| 18:35.11 | rhiebert | valdyn: thanks, that's where I'll put it then. |
| 18:35.19 | gsp2009 | hello folks. Can someone help me figure out why I can't delete a printer from squeeze, even as root. |
| 18:35.35 | rhiebert | If/when I learn more I might try packaging it... |
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| 18:39.14 | valdyn | rhiebert: the fhs sais that your variable files must be in /var/opt - so theres no way you can follow the fhs 100% |
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| 18:41.57 | rhiebert | valdyn: if I put it all in /var/opt and symlinked to /opt would that be better in line with it? |
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| 18:42.30 | valdyn | rhiebert: no, then your static files would be at the place for dynamic files |
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| 18:42.45 | rhiebert | ok, makes sense |
| 18:42.47 | zappus | Hey everyone |
| 18:43.02 | zappus | I installed deb6.0 on my 64 bit machine |
| 18:43.05 | rhiebert | six of one, half a dozen of the other kinda thing |
| 18:43.12 | zappus | I selected 32bit when was downloading the dvd |
| 18:43.14 | valdyn | rhiebert: that cms needs to provide facilities to split this |
| 18:43.25 | zappus | For some rean when it installed it was 64bit kerne |
| 18:43.28 | zappus | Kernel |
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| 18:43.40 | zappus | How can i make it install 32bit? |
| 18:43.54 | valdyn | zappus: install a 32-bit kernel |
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| 18:44.16 | zappus | Manually compile my own? |
| 18:44.19 | rhiebert | valdyn: yeah. Need to get it installed before I go trying to pick that nit though. |
| 18:44.21 | valdyn | zappus: no |
| 18:44.33 | zappus | Complete reinstall? |
| 18:44.39 | stew | zappus: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 18:45.11 | zappus | Oki thanks alot :D |
| 18:45.16 | stew | zappus: how much memory does your machine have? |
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| 18:46.25 | zappus | 2gb |
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| 18:47.36 | stew | that's fine then. if you had more than 4 we might try to convince you to stick with the 64 bit kerel, or at least to install a different 686 kernel |
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| 18:48.40 | zappus | I tired running 64 bit but i dont really notice much increase in performance |
| 18:48.47 | zappus | And the virtualbox refuses to work |
| 18:48.59 | valdyn | zappus: its not supposed to be faster |
| 18:49.05 | daemonkeeper | Nobody said, the x86_64 would be faster. |
| 18:49.25 | valdyn | zappus: it's faster for some things, its slower for other things |
| 18:49.53 | daemonkeeper | For a machine having 2 GiB of memory, there is probably no reason to use AMD6. |
| 18:49.55 | daemonkeeper | +4 |
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| 18:50.53 | zappus | I see |
| 18:50.59 | zappus | :D |
| 18:51.09 | zappus | I must say i love debian community :P |
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| 18:51.29 | zappus | People actually know stuff :0 |
| 18:51.33 | zappus | :P* |
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| 18:51.55 | valdyn | zappus: thats an implicit of the debian policy ;) |
| 18:52.21 | zappus | :P |
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| 18:54.29 | TimmyT | im going to send a notification on gnome, how? |
| 18:55.46 | boudiccas | TimmyT; where to and by what method? email, irc dcc send? |
| 18:56.07 | valdyn | TimmyT: did you try "notify-send" ? |
| 18:56.36 | TimmyT | boudiccas: there's sumthing in kde called kdialog, i want to know wat i can use in gnome |
| 18:57.01 | boudiccas | TimmyT; can you not use it whilst still in gnome? |
| 18:57.02 | valdyn | TimmyT: so this isnt about the notification system and you just want to display a dialogue.. |
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| 18:57.20 | valdyn | TimmyT: zenity it is then |
| 18:57.23 | nkuttler | xmessage |
| 18:57.45 | s3a | Could someone please tell me how to build this source that I get with svn co http://trac.aircrack-ng.org/svn/trunk/ aircrack-ng into a .deb file? I'm using Debian squeeze/stable and so far I had compiled aircrack-ng from sid but I need to use the svn sources to enable a feature that I need but I don't want to not use Debian's package management system because I don't want "garbage" to accumulate over time |
| 18:57.56 | somiaj | daemonkeeper: you do get a bit more than just memeory alacation from 64 bit kernel, (: |
| 18:58.18 | TimmyT | boudiccas: i want to send an notification on computer of my sister which is in her room, i can access her computer through ssh, i wanted to send an notification for her to tell her come here |
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| 18:58.50 | aetas | TimmyT, does she have a terminal open? |
| 18:58.52 | somiaj | s3a: is the version you want in sid? Or do you have to get the source from the upstream? Does the source come with a debain/ dir already in it? |
| 18:58.57 | valdyn | TimmyT: use icq or skype or whatever she has |
| 18:59.02 | daemonkeeper | somiaj: Yes, more precision. Its not worth the benefit but for high precision mathematic libraries, on the other hand almost all of your programs will use more memory. |
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| 18:59.21 | aetas | TimmyT, wall works too but only if she has a terminal |
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| 18:59.29 | TimmyT | aetas: no, |
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| 18:59.44 | aetas | TimmyT, then valdyn is correct |
| 18:59.47 | somiaj | s3a: if the source comes with a debian/ dir in it, you might be able to just do debian/rules binary -- if it dosen't come with a debian dir, you'll need to use dh_make to create a very simple one. |
| 18:59.48 | TimmyT | valdyn: well i want to tell her run pidgin |
| 19:00.11 | aetas | TimmyT, kill her X session and she'll probably run to you for help |
| 19:00.27 | valdyn | TimmyT: so whats the problem? |
| 19:00.28 | TimmyT | aetas: lol |
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| 19:01.03 | TimmyT | valdyn: the problem is she doesn't have notify-send on her computer, just dbus-* that i don't know how to use |
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| 19:01.11 | s3a | somiaj, there is no debian directory in it but I tried copy pasting the debian directory from sid which didn't work so then I restarted by doing dh_make --createorig and selecting single and then dpkg-buildpackage failed. Do you want the error? |
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| 19:01.20 | valdyn | TimmyT: i thought im long past that notify-send |
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| 19:01.34 | valdyn | TimmyT: use *whatever* instant messaging service |
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| 19:01.48 | TimmyT | valdyn: lool, ok |
| 19:01.49 | valdyn | TimmyT: popping her a dialogue isnt exactly the nice thing to do |
| 19:02.04 | s3a | somiaj, o i forgot to say i put override_dh_auto_test: in rules and in control I added the Build-Depends from sid's (that I think I already said) |
| 19:02.05 | valdyn | ( and beside that you need her accout or root for that ) |
| 19:02.32 | warflyr | pppd/pon/poff keep defaulting to /dev/pts/0; however i cant seem to find online or in man pages were i specify the interface ppp should use |
| 19:02.43 | daemonkeeper | s3a: For your use case, it might be fine to use checkinstall. This creates a simple .deb package which works, but is not policy compliant (enough). I don't think the latter is something which counts for you. |
| 19:02.51 | TimmyT | valdyn: i have, |
| 19:03.14 | somiaj | s3a: there are very simple rules files you can create with dh_make and the correct options, I'd look in google. But I'd probabaly start over and not use the debian/ from the sid source |
| 19:03.20 | valdyn | TimmyT: ok - you seem to read slowly and miss half the stuff |
| 19:03.26 | valdyn | TimmyT: i told you about zenity too |
| 19:03.27 | s3a | daemon, ok so even if it's not policy compliant i can easily purge all the contents with apt-get purge, right |
| 19:03.28 | s3a | ? |
| 19:03.31 | somiaj | s3a: but your heading in the right direction I dont' think I can debug it for you...I'd just slowly work though it. |
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| 19:04.05 | daemonkeeper | s3a: Yes. It just puts everything the "make install" target would install to the filesystem to a ".deb" |
| 19:04.24 | daemonkeeper | s3a: This works fine for your use case. |
| 19:04.49 | TimmyT | valdyn: no dear friend, i'm just wondered wat other applications like pidgin uses for sending notifications |
| 19:05.01 | valdyn | TimmyT: empathy |
| 19:05.17 | valdyn | TimmyT: err |
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| 19:05.32 | valdyn | TimmyT: i dont think pidgin uses any *other* application |
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| 19:05.54 | valdyn | TimmyT: empathy probably integrates with a notification daemon, but it might not |
| 19:06.29 | TimmyT | is going to her room |
| 19:06.55 | twobitsprite | so much work... |
| 19:07.24 | alex-- | "You can skip this step if your distribution’s package manager provides a sparsehash package that you can install. " does apt-get provides a sparsehash? |
| 19:07.46 | twobitsprite | TimmyT: if you were just wanting her to run pidgin, why not just su to her user, set DISPLAY and run pidgin... |
| 19:07.52 | valdyn | alex--: "apt-cache search sparsehash" |
| 19:07.54 | jelly | alex--: apt-cache search for it |
| 19:08.15 | alex-- | libsparsehash-dev - Google's extremely memory-efficient C++ hash_map implementation |
| 19:08.17 | alex-- | sparsehash - memory-efficient C++ hash_map implementation (transition package) |
| 19:08.26 | alex-- | so it's in? |
| 19:08.29 | valdyn | alex--: you dont need to paste this stuff |
| 19:08.30 | babilen | alex--: What are you doing? |
| 19:08.40 | alex-- | babilen: apt-cache search sparsehash |
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| 19:08.49 | jelly | alex--: what's your real goal |
| 19:08.55 | TimmyT | twobitsprite: yeah, u are right, i could |
| 19:09.07 | s3a | daemonkeeper, ok that's probably what i will do still, somiaj, in general if i were to do this the "normal" way where do I do dh_make --createorig? it keeps telling me to go where the sources are and I was in aircrack-ng (the folder/directory) so I went to the src subdirectory and still was told that I am not in the directory of the sources even with <name>_<version> as the folder name (not verbatim but the aircrack-ng name and version) |
| 19:09.09 | alex-- | find out if apt-get provides a sparsehash package |
| 19:09.09 | babilen | alex--: That was not what I meant. Why do you care about sparsehash? What is your final goal? |
| 19:09.14 | alex-- | compiling |
| 19:09.20 | alex-- | i have to 'Prepare the sparsehash library' |
| 19:09.22 | babilen | alex--: What? |
| 19:09.23 | jelly | alex--: and if it does, what are you going to do with it? |
| 19:09.31 | alex-- | http://wiki.multitheftauto.com/wiki/Building_MTASA_Server_on_GNU_Linux |
| 19:09.32 | twobitsprite | TimmyT: "nohup pidgin &" so you don't have to keep the ssh open while it runs |
| 19:09.35 | alex-- | scroll down to Prepare the sparsehash library |
| 19:09.48 | alex-- | jelly and babilen ^ |
| 19:09.57 | jelly | alex--: so you're REALLY trying to install that game server? |
| 19:10.09 | alex-- | yes |
| 19:10.13 | twobitsprite | TimmyT: even more fun:, "nohub xeyes &" :) |
| 19:10.18 | alex-- | That's where the server is for |
| 19:10.21 | TimmyT | twobitsprite: didn't know about that command, tnx for saying |
| 19:10.22 | twobitsprite | s/nohub/nohup |
| 19:10.26 | babilen | alex--: Make sure to install it to /usr/local. I recommend to use stow to manage that. /msg dpkg usrlocal -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 19:10.37 | alex-- | why? |
| 19:10.52 | alex-- | actually it's just download (or compile) and place it in a folder, not an installation |
| 19:10.54 | jelly | alex--: since you're going to need that library to build stuff, install the -dev package |
| 19:10.55 | daemonkeeper | s3a: dh-make is a bit complicated to use. It requires a special named source tarball e.g. yourprogram_x.y.z.orig.tar.gz. Alternatively you need to provide --version and --packagename |
| 19:11.15 | babilen | alex--: Because it is the right place to install locally managed software to. Read about the file hierarchy standard. "man hier" |
| 19:11.28 | s3a | daemon, i've used it successfully before just by doing dh_make --createorig with upstream source code for wine |
| 19:11.34 | alex-- | i dont understand it |
| 19:11.49 | alex-- | but do i need to do these steps? |
| 19:11.52 | babilen | alex--: I doubt you've read it in those 10 seconds :) |
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| 19:11.58 | alex-- | 'Prepare the sparsehash library |
| 19:12.00 | alex-- | You can skip this step if your distribution’s package manager provides a sparsehash package that you can install. ' |
| 19:12.01 | s3a | daemon, and then "stealing" the Build-Depends from debian's older wine and putting override_dh_auto_test: in the rules file |
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| 19:12.06 | babilen | alex--: Where did you want to install it? |
| 19:12.08 | s3a | daemonkeeper, not daemon |
| 19:12.18 | alex-- | because it's needed |
| 19:12.21 | alex-- | for compiling |
| 19:12.24 | alex-- | it's 32 bit program |
| 19:12.26 | alex-- | and 64 bit os |
| 19:12.29 | babilen | alex--: Yes, install the -dev package as jelly kindly pointed out. |
| 19:12.33 | alex-- | how? |
| 19:12.40 | alex-- | apt-get -dev ? |
| 19:12.51 | simonlnu | no |
| 19:13.15 | alex-- | apt-get sparsehash -dev |
| 19:13.19 | jelly | alex--: I mean, out of those two, install libsparsehash-dev |
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| 19:13.25 | babilen | alex--: Haven't you just searched for sparsehash packages? Was there one named -dev among them? Do you see another package that might be uniquely identified by -dev in that list? |
| 19:13.44 | alex-- | libsparsehash-dev |
| 19:13.47 | alex-- | sparsehash |
| 19:13.51 | alex-- | it's installed then? |
| 19:13.53 | daemonkeeper | s3a: Well, if you care to produce a policy compliant package, read the Debian Maintainer's Guide. Alternatively, you don't need to use dh-make at all, it just creates a lot of debian/ templates. |
| 19:14.00 | jelly | alex--: did you install it? |
| 19:14.02 | simonlnu | alex--: you should seriously consider reading man apt-get and man apt-cache |
| 19:14.03 | alex-- | no |
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| 19:14.13 | alex-- | apt-get install libparsehash-dev |
| 19:14.14 | jelly | alex--: I bet it's not installed, then |
| 19:14.17 | babilen | alex--: Please don't paste that into the channel. Install the package jelly mentioned. Where do you plan to install the software? |
| 19:14.25 | alex-- | E: Kon pakket libparsehash-dev niet vinden |
| 19:14.39 | alex-- | can't find the package |
| 19:14.42 | jelly | alex--: now without typos |
| 19:14.43 | s3a | daemonkeeper, so it's like creating an interface in java that you can implement? |
| 19:14.52 | babilen | alex--: Check the spelling of that package name. For even more fun: apt-get install provides tab-completion. |
| 19:15.04 | alex-- | babilen: lemme try =D |
| 19:15.10 | jelly | babilen: no it doesn't! |
| 19:15.20 | jelly | bash-completion does |
| 19:15.26 | stew | "apt-get install lib<tab>" should be fun :) |
| 19:15.26 | alex-- | it does |
| 19:15.30 | alex-- | Display all 571 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 19:15.33 | babilen | jelly: Seriously? It does here ... |
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| 19:15.41 | babilen | stew: heh |
| 19:15.47 | s3a | daemonkeeper, do i do sudo checkinstall make install or sudo checkinstall only? |
| 19:15.47 | jelly | babilen: it's not apt that provides it, is it |
| 19:15.48 | daemonkeeper | s3a: It produces templates, more or less useful skeletons to get started. A Debian maintainer would remove/extend most of this stuff to produce a package which meets debian's quality. |
| 19:15.48 | stew | babilen: he's being pedantic about what exactly is providing the completion, bash or apt-get |
| 19:15.50 | alex-- | press tab tweice |
| 19:15.57 | simonlnu | jelly never tried in zsh, but it does work there ;) |
| 19:15.58 | babilen | jelly: Yes, sure. |
| 19:16.02 | daemonkeeper | s3a: Just call checkinstall instead of make install. |
| 19:16.05 | alex-- | tweice |
| 19:16.10 | alex-- | how you write it? |
| 19:16.12 | alex-- | twice ? |
| 19:16.16 | jelly | simonlnu: that's zsh package fault |
| 19:16.20 | simonlnu | twice |
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| 19:16.23 | alex-- | thx |
| 19:16.26 | alex-- | press tab twice to autocomplete |
| 19:16.29 | alex-- | very nice tool :) |
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| 19:17.16 | alex-- | Can't exec "libtoolize": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/autoreconf2.50 line 189. |
| 19:17.18 | alex-- | Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/bin/autoreconf2.50 line 189. |
| 19:17.26 | alex-- | when i do autoreconf -fi |
| 19:17.41 | alex-- | apt-get install libtoolize ? |
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| 19:17.53 | simonlnu | libtool |
| 19:19.24 | s3a | daemonkeeper, do they both do the same thing because on an ubuntuforums thread it only says sudo checkinstall but on the debian wiki it says sudo checkinstall make install? |
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| 19:20.08 | s3a | daemonkeeper, or do they do different thing and i want sudo checkinstall like you said above? |
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| 19:20.20 | daemonkeeper | s3a: You could read the man page to learn this is exactly the same. If no command given, checkinstall will automatically call "make install". |
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| 19:21.44 | s3a | i see. thanks and sorry. |
| 19:21.46 | gsp2009 | anyone able to help with a printer issue? |
| 19:22.17 | acx0 | is it okay to use 'init 0' instead of the shutdown command? |
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| 19:23.35 | simonlnu | sure |
| 19:23.54 | alex-- | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 19:24.02 | alex-- | i used make install |
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| 19:24.43 | devil | gsp2009: just ask your real question |
| 19:24.54 | simonlnu | so they didn't make an install target, or something buggered it |
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| 19:25.04 | alex-- | is this bad? |
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| 19:25.47 | gsp2009 | devil, I have several times with no answer. I am hoping that someone will offer to help. I can't delete a printer, even as root, and I can't change from A4 to letter size print jobs. Any ideas? |
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| 19:26.22 | devil | gsp2009: can't delete a printer where? |
| 19:26.26 | jelly | gsp2009: which Debian release? |
| 19:26.36 | aetas | and what happens when you try |
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| 19:27.20 | nate_h | in Apache is there some reason why followsymlinks won't work? are there other directives that override it? |
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| 19:27.42 | twobitsprite | how do I expend the "gateway" column in the "route" output? |
| 19:27.52 | gsp2009 | devil, jelly: squeeze. Printer is served by a mac. I tried to manage with system-config-printer and the option to handle options are all greyed out. I tried to delete the printer and can't, even as root. |
| 19:28.08 | aetas | twobitsprite, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:28.31 | devil | gsp2009: mac leaves me out. |
| 19:29.03 | gsp2009 | devil, I hear you. However I should be able to delete the printer. |
| 19:29.09 | jelly | gsp2009: so it's a remote CUPS printer, autodetected by local CUPS? |
| 19:29.35 | gsp2009 | jelly, I guess it was autodetected. I don't remember setting it up. |
| 19:29.59 | s3a | daemonkeeper, checkinstall seems really useful! |
| 19:30.04 | jelly | gsp2009: what happens when you try to delete it using the canonical web interface of the cups service, http://localhost:631/ ? |
| 19:30.22 | jelly | gsp2009: use root and root's password to authenticate |
| 19:30.23 | gsp2009 | jelly, had the same config when I was running a different release... was able to manage it, remove and add printers with no issues. |
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| 19:30.57 | gsp2009 | jelly... I goofed with the web interface and entered an unpriveledged user... now I get a 403 |
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| 19:31.10 | gsp2009 | jelly, how can I force or define root in the url? |
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| 19:31.14 | jelly | restart the browser or clear the cookies |
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| 19:34.29 | gsp2009 | jelly, deleted cookies... restarted... no joy |
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| 19:37.09 | axanon | re: debian's kde packages, which package has the different color schemes for system settings -> appearance -> colors? |
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| 19:40.40 | devil | xoz: #kde might be a better chance |
| 19:40.43 | abrotman_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558171 ... is there a number somewhere in /proc/ or /sys/ that might cause this to happen? |
| 19:40.50 | devil | err, axanon ^ |
| 19:40.55 | abrotman_ | is separated from his screen session because of that bug :) |
| 19:41.18 | stew | nice tail |
| 19:41.25 | axanon | devil: I asked there too, problem is a lot of the time #kde doesn't know about specific distros. |
| 19:41.55 | axanon | which is why I figured #debian might be a good place, someone who knows more about packaging may be able to help me |
| 19:42.05 | abrotman_ | stew: i have a tail because there's a bug! |
| 19:42.12 | abrotman_ | tries to swat the bug with his tail |
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| 19:42.40 | stew | odd |
| 19:42.52 | abrotman_ | my tail or the bug? |
| 19:43.00 | stew | bug |
| 19:44.14 | abrotman_ | i thought it kind of odd it died right after that 32768 .. but what do i know |
| 19:44.27 | abrotman_ | like it ran out of marbles to count something :) |
| 19:45.51 | devil | axanon: if not there, try #debian-kde over at oftc |
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| 19:47.01 | axanon | ty devil |
| 19:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | axanon: aptitude search theme |
| 19:49.08 | jhutchins_lt | axanon: aptitude search theme | grep kde |
| 19:50.09 | stew | abrotman_: BCM4310 USB? |
| 19:50.19 | abrotman_ | uhm .. no, PCI |
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| 19:50.27 | stew | BCM4310? |
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| 19:50.36 | abrotman_ | 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
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| 19:50.41 | axanon | jhutchins_lt: it is neither of those packages |
| 19:50.49 | stew | abrotman_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/237894 starting at #12? |
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| 19:52.58 | abrotman_ | eh, but i'm not switching to ndiswrapper |
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| 19:54.13 | fande | apache is resolving ipv6 addr |
| 19:54.18 | fande | http://pastie.org/2255818 |
| 19:54.43 | fande | Cannot access webserver from external ip address because of this |
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| 19:55.43 | abrotman_ | stew: i like how the bug ends ... reassigned and swiftly closed .. yay |
| 19:55.51 | abrotman_ | stew: and the iwpriv 'fix' didn't fix |
| 19:56.27 | stew | fande: your question (if there was one) was unclear, what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:57.56 | zorrolero | abrotman_: seems you have to use putty until the bug is solved,) or replace your wifi-nic.( |
| 19:57.56 | fande | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4147/apache2 |
| 19:58.13 | fande | i cannot access my webserver from an external ip address |
| 19:58.31 | fande | I flushed iptables, and allowed access to 80 and still. |
| 19:58.34 | stew | fande: do you get an error? |
| 19:58.40 | fande | Along with that port forwarding is enabled. |
| 19:58.47 | fande | no just a continuous loop |
| 19:58.53 | stew | what loop? |
| 19:59.02 | fande | loading forever. |
| 19:59.06 | fande | ;p |
| 19:59.08 | stew | fande: do you get a timeout? connection refused? |
| 19:59.18 | fande | Why don't you try. |
| 19:59.29 | fande | 97.122.87.140 |
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| 19:59.45 | stew | works for me, i get a 404 |
| 19:59.54 | fande | I get nothing. |
| 20:00.00 | fande | Just an endless load |
| 20:00.28 | stew | fande: sounds like the problem is on the client side, not the server side, then |
| 20:00.30 | fande | Why would you get a 404 if it is blocked by iptables/ |
| 20:00.41 | stew | fande: i wouldn't |
| 20:00.48 | fande | exactly |
| 20:00.50 | fande | why did you. |
| 20:00.52 | stew | fande: i'm talking to a server claiming to be "Server: Apache/2.2.19 (Debian)" |
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| 20:01.02 | stew | fande: your webserver says that the url "/" is not found |
| 20:01.13 | fande | not true |
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| 20:01.22 | stew | uh |
| 20:01.29 | fande | wait is true |
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| 20:01.40 | th0r | fande: I got the same result |
| 20:01.47 | fande | I agree. |
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| 20:01.53 | fande | My bad, now what is wrong with my side/ |
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| 20:02.29 | fande | Why does it just loop endlessly? |
| 20:04.27 | fande | (or load). |
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| 20:04.47 | zorrolero | fande, have a look: http://paste.debian.net/123805/ |
| 20:05.22 | fande | I understand it is up, why do i net get anything is the question. |
| 20:06.07 | stew | fande: some firewall or router between you and the webserver |
| 20:06.24 | fande | I can access other websites.. |
| 20:06.26 | zorrolero | fande: maybe you are using ssh-forwards for your browser and connect to the same server where the apache is running? |
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| 20:07.00 | stew | fande: you could verify that your SYN packet never gets to the server with tcpdump perhaps if you want |
| 20:07.11 | fande | or ... |
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| 20:07.24 | fande | The server at 97.122.87.140 is taking too long to respond. |
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| 20:07.39 | zorrolero | ... try another browser |
| 20:08.13 | stew | or forget browser and just "telnet 97.122.87.140 80" and see that you never get a connection established |
| 20:08.28 | zorrolero | fande: but you can ping that ip? |
| 20:09.37 | fande | no |
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| 20:09.58 | zorrolero | argh, ok |
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| 20:10.46 | fande | http://paste.debian.net/123808/ |
| 20:11.23 | zorrolero | fande, what does a "traceroute 97.122.87.140" give you? |
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| 20:11.59 | ompaul | fande: are you doing this browser stuff from the same machine you are ircing from? |
| 20:12.09 | fande | same machine... |
| 20:12.12 | fande | loopback? |
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| 20:12.27 | fande | traceroute doesn't end |
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| 20:12.34 | fande | jk |
| 20:12.52 | axanon | devil, jhutchins_lt: the package I needed was kde-workspace-data |
| 20:12.58 | axanon | thanks for trying though |
| 20:13.02 | fande | http://pastie.org/2255931 |
| 20:13.02 | devil | axanon: seen it |
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| 20:13.10 | axanon | :) |
| 20:13.38 | ompaul | fande: traceroute www.google.com please paste that |
| 20:14.00 | fande | normal output |
| 20:14.26 | fande | http://pastie.org/2255939 |
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| 20:15.23 | ompaul | fande: please go to the site whatsmyip.com |
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| 20:15.28 | infinity0 | in GNU make, is it possible to do something like VAR = prefix{a,b,c}suffix and have it expand to "prefixasuffix prefixbsuffix prefixcsuffix" ? |
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| 20:15.30 | ompaul | tell us where you are |
| 20:15.35 | fande | ;p |
| 20:15.36 | fande | i did |
| 20:15.41 | fande | ipchicken.com |
| 20:15.53 | zorrolero | fande, "netstat -rn" |
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| 20:16.50 | fande | http://pastie.org/2255949 |
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| 20:17.49 | joe6 | what is the recommended .png viewer for debian? |
| 20:17.51 | ompaul | fande: this is your IP I'm not even going to start about wasting peoples time 97-122-87-140.hlrn.qwest.net |
| 20:18.07 | jelly-home | joe6: it's a matter of taste. I like gliv |
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| 20:18.13 | zorrolero | ompaul: you're right |
| 20:18.29 | joe6 | jelly-home: ok, thanks. will install it. |
| 20:18.29 | fande | 97.122.87.140 |
| 20:18.37 | ompaul | fande: so ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh "traceroute 97.122.87.140" |
| 20:18.38 | fande | ompaul: could my ip change? |
| 20:18.51 | jelly-home | joe6: it only works well when you have decent OpenGL (3D) drivers |
| 20:18.54 | fande | same thing |
| 20:19.10 | joe6 | fande: depending on where you are ? us, maybe not. some countries: maybe yes. |
| 20:19.31 | joe6 | jelly-home: what is the alternative to gliv? |
| 20:19.39 | fande | us colorado |
| 20:19.40 | fande | qwest |
| 20:19.45 | fande | now century link |
| 20:19.47 | fande | ;p |
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| 20:19.52 | joe6 | the ip might not change. |
| 20:19.56 | fande | can you see 97.122.87.140 ... |
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| 20:19.59 | joe6 | atleast comcast doesn't. |
| 20:20.04 | fande | from you/ |
| 20:20.07 | ompaul | ehhh so why you can't connect to it --- do ifconfig please |
| 20:20.12 | ompaul | and pastebin that |
| 20:20.28 | zorrolero | fande: in a browser "http://localhost", there is your webserver |
| 20:20.28 | fande | i ompaul i'm not dumb, and you were mean |
| 20:20.33 | fande | begins to cry |
| 20:20.40 | fande | zorrolero, LOL |
| 20:20.51 | ompaul | fande: troll in that case, I'll call you on it |
| 20:21.08 | joe6 | fande: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:21.10 | fande | http://pastie.org/2255973 |
| 20:21.15 | jelly-home | fande: 404! |
| 20:21.18 | joe6 | jelly-home, gliv is not bad. |
| 20:21.23 | fande | jelly-home, thanks |
| 20:21.39 | fande | any ideas why i cannot see it, have you seen this before? |
| 20:21.44 | fande | is it a dns thing? |
| 20:21.46 | jelly-home | see, some people are THANKFUL when given a 404 |
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| 20:22.04 | fande | If i point my domain to my ip could I see it? |
| 20:22.07 | jelly-home | fande: using the ip address you work around dns |
| 20:22.08 | joe6 | jelly-home, can you see the hit in your webserver logs? |
| 20:22.28 | joe6 | that jelly-home tried to access? |
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| 20:22.44 | fande | well i will be back |
| 20:22.46 | joe6 | if you do not see that hit, then it is probably your router. |
| 20:22.46 | fande | i gotta go |
| 20:22.48 | fande | brb |
| 20:22.55 | joe6 | fande, check your dmz settings on the router. |
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| 20:27.35 | Odaym | anyone ever try installing VMware from here? http://www.vmware.com/downloads/eula.do |
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| 20:27.45 | Odaym | what would I do with the .bundle file when it's done downloading? |
| 20:28.27 | maligor | Odaym, we don't support vmware software, but doesn't vmware provide instructions? |
| 20:28.33 | maligor | err.. vmware software support |
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| 20:30.53 | Odaym | I'll see the release notes |
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| 20:34.08 | zykotick9 | Odaym, just execute the .bundle |
| 20:34.11 | DeathWolf | how do I get debbuild to respect my changed CC? |
| 20:34.18 | Odaym | alright |
| 20:34.21 | Odaym | I'll try that |
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| 20:35.06 | DeathWolf | ok --preserve-envvar |
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| 20:36.14 | DeathWolf | except it doesn't work... yay |
| 20:37.00 | jelly-home | Odaym: there's even a #vmware channel |
| 20:37.34 | DeathWolf | okay, it's order dependent:) |
| 20:37.59 | Odaym | thank you |
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| 20:45.44 | Night-hacks | hi |
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| 20:46.08 | Night-hacks | is there any Whist Card game ? |
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| 20:46.41 | SpeedyG | hm, running digikam and amarok for the first time at the same time isnt a nice thing to do when they both start indexing a network share ... |
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| 20:47.22 | fenugreek | Night-hacks: whist? |
| 20:47.44 | Night-hacks | fenugreek: yeah, british game |
| 20:48.07 | Night-hacks | i dont know the what they call it nowadays |
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| 20:49.45 | jelly-home | SpeedyG: clementine is _much_ nicer with indexing than amarok |
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| 20:50.23 | MrFrood | Night-hacks: not in the debian repros but http://happypenguin.org/show?GGZCard |
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| 20:50.53 | fenugreek | MrFrood: that link right? |
| 20:50.57 | Night-hacks | MrFrood: Error Lookup Failed |
| 20:51.13 | MrFrood | http://happypenguin.org/show?GGZCards |
| 20:51.26 | MrFrood | I was missing an s :-/ |
| 20:51.32 | SpeedyG | jelly-home: hm, i'll add that to my 'to-try' list :) |
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| 20:52.33 | blubberdiblub | MrFrood, isn't that in ggz-gtk-games? |
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| 20:53.29 | jbeatty | anyone have iceweasel 7 working with Tor? |
| 20:53.55 | jelly-home | iceweasel HOW MUCH NOW |
| 20:54.03 | blubberdiblub | Night-hacks, you might try looking in the package ggz-gtk-games |
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| 20:54.33 | tensorpudding | 7? |
| 20:54.42 | tensorpudding | did they decide to skip 6 now? |
| 20:54.43 | Night-hacks | blubberdiblub: found it, is it stand alone app ? |
| 20:54.55 | MrFrood | blubberdiblub: no idea, a quick search of packages.debian.org did not turn anything up for me |
| 20:54.56 | ompaul | a version a day will keep them happy anyway |
| 20:54.57 | Night-hacks | or just via internet ? |
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| 20:55.12 | blubberdiblub | Night-hacks, i don't know, i don't have it installed. probably needs internet |
| 20:56.04 | blubberdiblub | MrFrood, well, the ggz cards client seems to be inside it. the description isn't completely listing all card games that can do, tho |
| 20:56.06 | jbeatty | no, there is a 6, 7 is aurora |
| 20:56.09 | jbeatty | I think experimental is 8 |
| 20:56.21 | MrFrood | blubberdiblub: kewl |
| 20:56.29 | tensorpudding | but 5 is the stable version |
| 20:57.02 | jbeatty | tensorpudding: yes, and I'm not using 5 |
| 20:57.11 | tensorpudding | i'm confused though |
| 20:57.26 | tensorpudding | they have 3 different development versions in current development? |
| 20:57.37 | jbeatty | yes |
| 20:57.42 | jbeatty | something like that |
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| 20:58.40 | santaz | Ok I am back. |
| 20:58.52 | santaz | I still cannot resolve the server from my computer. |
| 20:59.01 | santaz | Does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 20:59.48 | santaz | i think the server addr is dynamic: 97.122.87.140 |
| 21:00.50 | Bushmills | dig 97-122-87-140.hlrn.qwest.net |
| 21:02.13 | santaz | http://pastie.org/2256164 |
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| 21:03.59 | santaz | I only did port forwarding, no need for dmz |
| 21:04.11 | santaz | honestly I don't want that without a dedicated firewall |
| 21:04.47 | santaz | What is this? |
| 21:04.54 | santaz | Some alien connection problem |
| 21:06.02 | santaz | but honestly. |
| 21:06.09 | blubberdiblub | santaz, you can access the server using its internal lan address, right? but not using its public ip, am i guessing correctly? then probably iptables (or whatever mechanism) on the router is not correctly set up |
| 21:06.25 | santaz | even without it setup |
| 21:06.33 | santaz | with no blocking rules all connections allowed |
| 21:06.37 | Bushmills | 192.168.0.1 |
| 21:06.54 | Bushmills | seems to either not work correctly or has cache a false negative |
| 21:07.15 | Bushmills | ah, no. there it is. answer section. it resolves. |
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| 21:07.58 | blubberdiblub | santaz, can you access it using its internal ip address or not? |
| 21:08.06 | Ramosa | this subtle sound that plays when debian is ready to login should play when the debian installer requires your attention too |
| 21:08.24 | twobitsprite | sound? |
| 21:08.30 | twobitsprite | doesn't recall any login sound |
| 21:08.53 | Ramosa | its a very quiet beep |
| 21:09.14 | twobitsprite | hmm... maybe you're right, maybe I just always have my speakers off when I boot up |
| 21:09.14 | Ramosa | enough to get your attention |
| 21:09.24 | Ramosa | i like it |
| 21:10.20 | Ramosa | installing debian could be done much faster if this sound played when user input was required |
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| 21:12.22 | spal | fc-match "Helvetica" shows me -> n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular" - How can I find out whether I can distribute this file? |
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| 21:13.10 | twobitsprite | ,file n019003l.pfb |
| 21:13.14 | judd | n019003l.pfb in squeeze/i386: gsfonts: usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts/n019003l.pfb; gsfonts-x11: usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/n019003l.pfb; pokerth-data: usr/share/games/pokerth/fonts/n019003l.pfb; libpopplerkit0: usr/share/GNUstep/Frameworks/PopplerKit.framework/Versions/1.0/n019003l.pfb |
| 21:13.43 | twobitsprite | /usr/share/doc/gsfonts/LICENSE maybe? |
| 21:14.00 | twobitsprite | ahh /usr/share/doc/gsfonts/copyright |
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| 21:14.34 | fenugreek | if you got it from a package it's going to be debian free |
| 21:14.49 | twobitsprite | fenugreek: not if he got it from a non-free package |
| 21:15.02 | fenugreek | strings n019003l.pdf | grep -i copy would show if it's proprietary |
| 21:15.09 | fenugreek | twobitsprite: which he'd hopefully know |
| 21:15.18 | fenugreek | s/pdf/pfb/ |
| 21:15.23 | twobitsprite | fenugreek: if he know, he wouldn't be asking :P |
| 21:15.34 | twobitsprite | knew* |
| 21:16.12 | fenugreek | shrugs |
| 21:16.21 | fenugreek | he could just be unaware of Debian's software guidelines |
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| 21:19.51 | twobitsprite | fenugreek: obviously not, or he would have known all packages have a /usr/share/doc/$pkg/{copyright,LICENSE} file |
| 21:20.35 | twobitsprite | :P |
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| 21:24.19 | Markus[uOS] | what source package is libmysqlclient15off , it says its virtual and is picking mysql-dfsg-5.0 instead, which is no source package |
| 21:24.20 | fenugreek | twobitsprite: nah |
| 21:24.33 | fenugreek | I know about DFSG and don't know anything about the files you've just mentioned =) |
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| 21:24.56 | Markus[uOS] | mysql-server itself also not includes libmysqlclient15off |
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| 21:37.24 | spal | what was the command to dpkg to find out the details of a particular file? |
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| 21:38.11 | spal | oh, that command is for judd. |
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| 21:39.03 | devil | spal: what details? |
| 21:39.18 | spal | devil, I was looking for the ,file command |
| 21:39.23 | devil | spal: apt-cache show <package> |
| 21:39.26 | devil | oh |
| 21:39.41 | devil | bots... |
| 21:39.57 | spal | I can't find any LICENSE file for /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts |
| 21:40.19 | spal | I need to know the license for n019003l.pfb |
| 21:40.51 | devil | Homepage: http://www.ghostscript.com/ |
| 21:40.55 | fenugreek | pretty sure all the gs fonts packages are GPL |
| 21:41.11 | rubin110 | Anyone running compiz and notice how it forced rounded window corners for any metacity theme? |
| 21:41.51 | devil | nak, kde4 has more effects than i ever wish for |
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| 21:44.13 | Kharec | lo |
| 21:46.32 | Dev0n_ | hey, what ftpd do you guys recommend? |
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| 21:47.02 | fenugreek | Dev0n_: openssh |
| 21:47.14 | Dev0n_ | heh >.> |
| 21:47.22 | Dev0n_ | ssh is slow |
| 21:47.40 | lamah | fenugreek: openssh is not a ftp |
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| 21:47.54 | lamah | Dev0n_: sftp -- secureftp it's from openssh package |
| 21:48.11 | fenugreek | lamah: ... |
| 21:48.14 | Dev0n_ | ftpd* |
| 21:48.16 | Dev0n_ | ^ |
| 21:48.19 | maligor | it's not secureftp |
| 21:48.22 | flan | Anyone know if there's a relatively painless way to install PHP 5.1.6 under Debian 6? |
| 21:48.24 | fenugreek | openssh is not a ftp... and then you suggest him the same thing =P |
| 21:48.28 | lamah | hahahha |
| 21:48.34 | fenugreek | you weiner |
| 21:48.39 | maligor | sftp has nothing to do with ftp atall |
| 21:48.43 | Dev0n_ | lol |
| 21:48.46 | Dev0n_ | I mean somethign like proftpd |
| 21:48.48 | Dev0n_ | or vsftpd |
| 21:48.50 | lamah | maligor: we are talking for other |
| 21:48.58 | fenugreek | http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 21:49.23 | lamah | fenugreek: openssh=ssh daemon :P |
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| 21:49.39 | lamah | fenugreek: sftp is a + |
| 21:49.54 | lamah | like an addon |
| 21:50.00 | lamah | but he don't know what is sftp |
| 21:50.05 | lamah | and maligor also |
| 21:50.31 | lamah | Dev0n_: *ftp daemons* are exploitable i thinkg in this "days"... |
| 21:50.39 | maligor | Dev0n_, I recommend considering what you actually need from ftp, it's inherently unsecure |
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| 21:50.58 | Dev0n_ | well, to transfer large files I guess |
| 21:51.28 | fenugreek | lamah: I'm gonna make a jacket out of your hairs |
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| 21:51.36 | Dev0n_ | I don't know what the overhead of using ssh vs ftp to transfer though |
| 21:51.49 | lamah | fenugreek: huh what and why? |
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| 21:52.29 | Dev0n_ | also, I don't think ssh allow you to simultaneously transfer files? |
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| 21:52.41 | lamah | Dev0n_: and no.. sftp is more flexible is a new generation ftp service |
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| 21:53.13 | Dev0n_ | is that no to simultaneously transfer ? |
| 21:53.30 | maligor | I think the only think sftp doesn't have is fxp |
| 21:53.49 | maligor | but that's pretty borderline feature anyway |
| 21:53.58 | Dev0n_ | true |
| 21:54.19 | Markus[uOS] | damn mysql-server-5.1 wonnt work in any case |
| 21:54.37 | Markus[uOS] | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575213 |
| 21:54.37 | maligor | and while I'm not totally sure, I think ssh2 allowed using a single connection for multiple 'purposes' |
| 21:54.39 | Markus[uOS] | sme issues here |
| 21:54.52 | Dev0n_ | ahh |
| 21:55.19 | kingsley | What's a nice, simple replacement for xmms? |
| 21:55.24 | maligor | I've just always made a new connection, so never bothered finding out how it works |
| 21:56.23 | Bushmills | kingsley: audacious comes with a winamp/xmms skin |
| 21:56.23 | fenugreek | kingsley: audacious |
| 21:56.40 | fenugreek | (actually forked from xmms code) |
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| 21:56.59 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: mplayer |
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| 21:59.57 | Odaym | i have an unrelated question, netbeans offers you to drag and drop for creating design layouts |
| 22:00.00 | Odaym | but ..under GTK? |
| 22:00.03 | Odaym | or under..what |
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| 22:02.00 | joe6 | has anyone used feh for veiwing .png files? is it better than gliv? |
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| 22:07.14 | shifty | xsetroot with no options used to give me that classic stipple pattern - behaviour seems to have changed (sid here) - anyone else noticed this? |
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| 22:08.26 | fenugreek | probably depends on how you started X and with what |
| 22:08.36 | fenugreek | if you use -br, for example, you'd probably only ever get black |
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| 22:14.19 | shifty | fenugreek: gdm with a .Xsession that starts evilwm and gnome-session. However, it also happens if I start X with a "clean" user (ie xinit from the command line - no WM). Also, xsetroot with no options gives me black, and "xsetroot -grey" gives me something nasty approximating a stipple. Weird, no? |
| 22:16.53 | fenugreek | shifty: not really, maybe they finally did away with it by default |
| 22:16.55 | fenugreek | lord it was ugly |
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| 22:22.30 | shifty | isn't that funny - i find it really attractive. |
| 22:23.10 | shifty | Same sort of thrill you'd get driving a 1930's Rolls - the stipple reminds me of 1990's Sparcstations. |
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| 22:26.07 | ssf | does anyone know why gparted would start over an ntfs resize/move operation? it said 4.5 hrs remaining last night. i went to bed and when i got up it said over 9 hours, and the progress had reset! |
| 22:26.20 | ssf | i asked in parted but no response yet. |
| 22:26.26 | ssf | #parted, that is |
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| 22:26.59 | fenugreek | ssf: maybe it just extended the estimate |
| 22:27.58 | ssf | fenugreek: no, it also reset the progress. it was mostly done when i went to bed. when i got up the progress was less than 1/3. |
| 22:28.27 | ssf | how many GB it says it has moved changed. |
| 22:28.32 | fenugreek | so it was farther than 1/3 before? |
| 22:28.36 | ssf | and it is in the same exact stage. |
| 22:28.45 | ssf | right, it was over 2/3 before. |
| 22:28.47 | fenugreek | kinda sounds like it's not working |
| 22:28.55 | ssf | that is what concerns me |
| 22:29.05 | ssf | unfortunately it cannot be aborted without data loss. |
| 22:29.46 | ssf | oh, and it is working more slowly this time. said 4.5 hrs initially, then 9+ hrs when i got up. |
| 22:30.01 | jhutchins_lt | ssf: That's too bad, it usually goes reasonably fast. Shrinking ntfs is a big part of the whole Linux install thing. |
| 22:30.15 | jhutchins_lt | ssf: Did you defrag and disk check before you started? |
| 22:30.17 | ssf | this is more of an expand operation. |
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| 22:30.39 | wontoner | I'm having a problem with tar trying to exclude multiple directories |
| 22:30.41 | fleischergesell | ssf: maybe the first run you saw was only the simulation? |
| 22:30.42 | jhutchins_lt | ssf: That's not right then. |
| 22:30.47 | ssf | to do so, it moves the big partition to the left. it is being moved into the space of a 30GB partition that i deleted. |
| 22:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | ssf: So you're moving the start of the partition instead of the end? |
| 22:31.15 | wontoner | Does this look ok? tar -cvvf new_archive.tgz --exclude "/home/user/folder" . |
| 22:31.25 | ssf | it was not a simulation because i clicked cancel and it told me there would be data loss if i went through with canceling it. |
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| 22:31.39 | ssf | jhutchins_lt: correct |
| 22:32.02 | ssf | unfortunately, with ntfs it turns out it has to move ALL of the data. |
| 22:32.08 | fleischergesell | I think gparted says this even while in the simluation part, but I might be wrong about this |
| 22:32.31 | ssf | it didn't say it was simulating. i don't understand why it would simulate for 4.5 hrs. |
| 22:32.51 | ssf | it also gives no indication of having restarted or anything. |
| 22:33.02 | ssf | i mean, other than the progress and time left. |
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| 22:33.12 | ssf | it doesn't say it has restarted or anything of the sort. |
| 22:33.39 | fleischergesell | That is weird, indeed. How big is the device/partition anyway? |
| 22:33.53 | ssf | 1.5TB hard drive. |
| 22:34.11 | fleischergesell | and the partition you're moving? |
| 22:34.14 | ssf | partition is 1.34TB (binary TB) |
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| 22:34.31 | fleischergesell | Well, that will take a lot of time. |
| 22:35.15 | jhutchins_lt | ssf: There's a competition open to read a .5TB drive in one hour and still have it working when you're done. That's a lot of data. |
| 22:36.08 | ssf | jhutchins_lt: right, it is. i did not realize it had to move all of the data. i thought it would just change the beginning of the partition/filesystem. |
| 22:36.22 | ssf | i understand it is partly because of how ntfs works |
| 22:36.29 | jhutchins_lt | ssf: THat's what it should do, but... |
| 22:36.39 | fleischergesell | 9hours seems to be reasonable, might be even more. Gparted needs to read and rewrite any block - so you end up having like 10-15 mbyte/sec |
| 22:37.18 | jhutchins_lt | ssf: Future Tip: You shold never mess with partitions unless you have a backup. Since you have a backup anyway, just repartition and restore. I know of no situation where it's not faster. |
| 22:37.49 | fleischergesell | Yes, restore will be alot faster if the backup device can provide proper speed. |
| 22:37.50 | ssf | so, what is the reason for the (apparent) simulation stage? why does it give no indication that it is a simulation? |
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| 22:38.02 | ssf | heh, well, most recent backup was a few months ago. stupid, i know. |
| 22:38.30 | ssf | what is worse, i just got a 2TB hard drive and could have just moved the data onto there. |
| 22:38.40 | ssf | (then moved it back) |
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| 22:39.03 | fleischergesell | Well, you did not, so you either wait or screw the last months' data |
| 22:39.11 | ssf | right |
| 22:39.34 | fleischergesell | waiting is not wrong as the resize might succeed |
| 22:39.36 | ssf | my concern is with the restarting, and whether it could do it again. |
| 22:39.56 | fleischergesell | I wold not abort the process here if you really need that data |
| 22:40.16 | ssf | certainly, i intend to wait it out. if it restarts again though it will suck. |
| 22:40.36 | fleischergesell | I don't think it will as I believe the first run you saw was the simulation process. |
| 22:40.52 | wontoner | Can anybody help me with this tar command? I can't seem to get any folders to exclude from the archive |
| 22:41.17 | ssf | okay, but why did it not tell me that it was simulating? I would have aborted it then. |
| 22:41.21 | boudiccas | wontoner; what tar command? |
| 22:42.10 | wontoner | boudiccas: tar -cvvf /$HOME/new_archive.tgz --exclude "/home/user/folder1" --exclude "/home/user/folder2" . |
| 22:42.20 | wontoner | I read that was the appropriate syntax but it doesnt seem to work |
| 22:42.26 | fleischergesell | I think it does simulation by default before actually writing any data. It usually does not explicitly tell, but it should appear in the log |
| 22:42.40 | ssf | ooh, where is the log? i was wondering about that. |
| 22:42.54 | fleischergesell | Well, you doing this in X or console? |
| 22:42.59 | ssf | it is gparted, so X. |
| 22:43.18 | jhutchins_lt | wontoner: You don't have anything specified for input. |
| 22:43.22 | ssf | the gui "details" thing gives no information |
| 22:43.35 | wontoner | jhutchins_lt: The period doesn't work? |
| 22:43.42 | fleischergesell | It should, the progress window should have some items what it did so far. |
| 22:43.54 | fleischergesell | What does it say now for remaining time? |
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| 22:45.18 | fleischergesell | wontoner: With the dot, tar will probably put a "." in front of any filename, so your exclusion rules will not match |
| 22:45.52 | fleischergesell | Why do you use . anyway, when you specifiy absolute paths from root in exclusions? That does not make a lot of sense to me. |
| 22:46.02 | ssf | the "details" portion looks the same as last night. the progress is less (558GB of 1.34TB, 8:18 remaining). |
| 22:46.34 | fleischergesell | That sound reasonable and matches up with my calculations on how long it should take. |
| 22:46.40 | ssf | the only thing that changed was the progress and time remaining. |
| 22:47.21 | fleischergesell | Well, for now you can only wait and see what happened when it finishes. |
| 22:47.24 | ssf | so, is it just a flaw in gparted that it does not tell you when it is simulating? |
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| 22:47.53 | wontoner | fleishergesell: Awesome, thanks! |
| 22:48.02 | wontoner | I thought the dot just indicated start in the current directory |
| 22:48.04 | fleischergesell | Well, it usually tells by having this as "done" in the item list - it will not tell you while its simulating that its actually simulating. |
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| 22:48.19 | ssf | i'm not sure what you mean |
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| 22:48.40 | ade | Simple question, how to I redirect STDOUT to one file, and STDERR to |
| 22:48.41 | ade | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.41 | ade | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.41 | ade | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:48.43 | fleischergesell | What I mean is, that you will not see a "WARNING JUST SIMULATING" in the progress bar or something |
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| 22:48.54 | ade | Ugh, damn copy/paste. |
| 22:49.11 | ssf | there was no indication of any kind, though. |
| 22:50.17 | ade | Both #debian and #linux seem very quiet :) |
| 22:50.20 | fleischergesell | Weird. My last run was a few days ago (also resizing ntfs partition) and at first I was "uh wow, that was fast", when I realized that this was just the simulation. |
| 22:50.21 | ssf | what i mean, everything is identical (aside from progress) between the apparent simulation phase and the next phase. |
| 22:50.30 | SPF | ade: try bash ./some_script > good.txt 2>bad.txt |
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| 22:51.28 | fleischergesell | ssf: What items do you have in details? |
| 22:51.32 | ade | SPF: Will calling bash make a difference? Otherwise I used the same syntax. |
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| 22:52.39 | wontoner | fleishergesell: err.. wait i guess it didn't seem to work |
| 22:52.48 | wontoner | Do I need to include a * after the directory name? |
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| 22:53.01 | Tigerboy | anyone know why iceweasel 5 was removed today from squeeze-backports? |
| 22:53.05 | fleischergesell | wontoner: Where exactly? |
| 22:53.20 | fleischergesell | Tigerboy: No idea, just use debian.mozilla.net |
| 22:53.24 | ssf | 1. delete /dev/sdb1 [...]. 2. move /dev/sdb2 to the left and grow it from 1.34 TiB to 1.36 TiB. |
| 22:53.28 | wontoner | tar -cvvf /$HOME/new_archive.tgz --exclude "/home/user/folder1/*" --exclude "/home/user/folder2/*" . |
| 22:53.46 | Tigerboy | fleischergesell: it doesn't help to use that it only says use squeeze ports |
| 22:53.48 | fleischergesell | ssf: Well, part 2 should have a lot more items when fully expanded |
| 22:53.51 | Tigerboy | backprots |
| 22:53.54 | ssf | within 2. there is calibrate, check, and move. |
| 22:54.02 | fleischergesell | Mhh, weird |
| 22:54.04 | ssf | it was on move last night and it is still there. |
| 22:54.08 | fleischergesell | I usually have simulation phase in between |
| 22:54.23 | Tigerboy | fleischergesell: worked like a charm yesterday |
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| 22:54.49 | fleischergesell | Tigerboy: Well, I don't know why it stopped working, sorry. |
| 22:55.22 | fleischergesell | wontoner: I believe there is no reason to put a * there, as tar will exclude anything starting with the exclude path, afaik |
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| 22:55.54 | ssf | within move, "perform read only test", "finding optimal block size", "read 1.34 TiB using a block size of 4.00MiB". It was on this last step last night, and it still is. |
| 22:56.40 | ssf | i find it a little odd that it says "read" when this operation should involve writing as well. |
| 22:57.08 | fleischergesell | Yes, that sounds odd. Maybe your version of gparted is bugged? |
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| 22:57.44 | SPF | ade: what shell are you using? |
| 22:57.49 | fleischergesell | wontoner: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=tar+examples+exclude |
| 22:58.07 | vdrandom | hey there. I'm trying to build a nginx 1.0.4 from testing deb-src on debian stable. after trying fakeroot I get a message about directories and files not existing. |
| 22:58.09 | ssf | version is 0.6.2, from 2010-08-01 |
| 22:58.24 | Kharec | [A |
| 22:59.01 | daemonkeeper | vdrandom: What are you doing exactly? |
| 22:59.10 | simonlnu | pastebin please |
| 22:59.15 | fleischergesell | ssf: That is pretty old stuff. |
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| 22:59.43 | ssf | oh, great. :| |
| 22:59.54 | vdrandom | daemonkeeper, replaced squeeze with wheezy on deb-src entries in sources.list, used apt-get source nginx to get sources |
| 23:00.24 | daemonkeeper | Then? |
| 23:00.30 | vdrandom | daemonkeeper, then I do dpkg-source -x nginx-1.0.4-1.dsc, go to nginx-1.0.4 dir |
| 23:00.40 | vdrandom | and then fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 23:00.49 | fleischergesell | Well, I g2g, keep us posted tomorrow, ssf |
| 23:00.54 | ssf | thanks. |
| 23:01.10 | daemonkeeper | vdrandom: Try "dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 23:02.38 | vdrandom | daemonkeeper, thanks, it seems to work |
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| 23:07.07 | rickbol | where can I find wheezy images? |
| 23:07.44 | daemonkeeper | You won't need Wheezy images. Its suggested to dist-upgrade to it. |
| 23:08.46 | rickbol | I need to install fresh. |
| 23:09.52 | daemonkeeper | Nonetheless. Point is, the Wheezy snapshots are mainly to test the /installer/. However if you are sure, you know what you are doing: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 23:10.20 | rickbol | so I should install squeeze and then dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:10.46 | daemonkeeper | Yes. If you need to download a CD anyway, you can try the snapshot. |
| 23:11.49 | ade | SPF: What shell am I using? Good question, its not mine. I'm running a PHP script from a cron job. I'd assume bash. Let me see if I can figure it out (I don't have shell access) |
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| 23:12.04 | rickbol | which would be better for dev? I can do either and report bumps. |
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| 23:12.41 | daemonkeeper | To "dev" what? |
| 23:12.47 | doomfinger | When using fluxbox what's the best way to manage things like sleep and hibernate? |
| 23:13.57 | Tigerboy | wheezy snapshots installer doesn't create grub ( there is a way to fix it) but it's best to use squeezy and then change all of your sources over to "testing" |
| 23:14.06 | subuser | maybe the gnome power manager |
| 23:14.35 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: About which bug are you talking about? |
| 23:14.38 | doomfinger | So, it's something that isn't built into X or anything? |
| 23:14.49 | rickbol | Tigerboy: OH! that settles it. |
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| 23:15.59 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: no idea but what happens is -- at the end of install grub cannot be made I checked it out it's missing an important grub package you can make it work from within the installer but it's a hassle... no idea if anyone has posted the error but it's all over the blogs |
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| 23:16.33 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: I was using the weekly snapshot last week just fine ... |
| 23:16.57 | subuser | or else there's http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-command-to-suspend-hibernate-laptop-netbook-pc/ which has some commands you could call from a script and set up without a gui |
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| 23:17.11 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: well it's been a week or so since I used it and it was still having the problem.. I did send an email to them with my findings |
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| 23:17.51 | ade | SPF: Why does the shell matter by the way? Most of the big shells handle redirection the way way don't they? |
| 23:18.00 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: if that is true than wheezy installer should be fine.. but it was taken off of the html page and i was told it wouldn't be back up until the problem was fixed |
| 23:18.26 | SPF | ade: some shells handle redirection in a different way |
| 23:18.41 | rickbol | I'll try snapshot. |
| 23:18.46 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: As you can read, I discouraged to use the wheezy installer as well. I was just curious about the problem you are referencing to. |
| 23:18.59 | doomfinger | subuser: Thanks a lot! |
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| 23:19.45 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper well I didn't become aware of it until about 10 days ago and it had been a problem since may according to blog posts |
| 23:19.55 | SPF | ade: http://blog.elevenseconds.com/resources/shell-redirecting.html |
| 23:20.23 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: To be honest, I don't care about blogs and web forums but bug reports, but anyway, thanks. :) |
| 23:20.42 | Tigerboy | i care more about blogs |
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| 23:20.44 | DarkUranium | hey |
| 23:21.02 | DarkUranium | does anyone have any idea what could make my Debian PC cap at network speed of 30kb/s? |
| 23:21.07 | DarkUranium | all of sudden (it used to work fine) |
| 23:21.54 | DarkUranium | note that this is even for LAN - I'm downloading something at 28KB/s, and ssh is horribly unresponsive (think over a second just to get response for a single character typed into the terminal) |
| 23:22.13 | spal | how can I get helvetica neue font? |
| 23:22.24 | DarkUranium | multiple downloads seem to distribute the bandwidth so that they sum up to 30 |
| 23:22.59 | Markus[uOS] | dunno if helvetica is free |
| 23:24.04 | Markus[uOS] | tried: ttf-freefont allread |
| 23:25.06 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: do you have any idea why I can't get iceweasel 5 from backports today and it was there yesterday and installed beautifully? |
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| 23:25.44 | daemonkeeper | Yo should ask this Mozilla maintainers. |
| 23:26.01 | daemonkeeper | Maybe it was transitioned somehow. |
| 23:26.08 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper thanks I'm trying to find them |
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| 23:26.22 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: that's what i'm searching for |
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| 23:27.12 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: http://packages.debian.org/sid/iceweasel ah well, it hit Sid. |
| 23:27.37 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel/news/20110722T150652Z.html |
| 23:27.49 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: well if I use sid it massively forces a sidification of my system |
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| 23:28.16 | daemonkeeper | I didn't say you should. |
| 23:28.37 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: do you use sid by default |
| 23:28.41 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 23:28.59 | daemonkeeper | On my desktop and developer boxes that is. |
| 23:29.13 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: ah ok and squeeze for servers |
| 23:29.18 | daemonkeeper | Sure. |
| 23:29.44 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: I just don't want to start having kdenlive crashes etc squeeze seems so smooth |
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| 23:31.13 | daemonkeeper | As said, I didn't say you shall upgrade. I said, Iceweasel 5 was uploaded to Sid, so perhaps the backport needs some update in its version now. |
| 23:32.01 | Tigerboy | oh it's been in sid for a while |
| 23:32.21 | Tigerboy | but if sid is fairly stable then perhaps I need to try it |
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| 23:32.56 | daemonkeeper | Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:48:09 +0200 - It was? |
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| 23:34.05 | Tigerboy | daemonkeeper: is the idea that I would replace sqeeze with sid and move squeeze to the space of testing-- in preferences? or do you move squeeze to the bottom and only use it when you need a package from it? |
| 23:34.19 | daemonkeeper | Don't do this. |
| 23:34.33 | devil | Tigerboy: if you dont know it, you dont want it. |
| 23:34.51 | daemonkeeper | Don't mix distributions. |
| 23:34.54 | Tigerboy | devil: I use sid for some things |
| 23:34.59 | daemonkeeper | This will damage your system. |
| 23:35.35 | parolang | Dual boot :) |
| 23:35.36 | Markus[uOS] | ha fixed mysql issues |
| 23:35.56 | Tigerboy | well i have not had a problem the only things I avoid are packages that have interlocking dependencies on a large scale |
| 23:36.23 | Tigerboy | preferences pretty much locks you in |
| 23:36.41 | Tigerboy | but allows you to use the occasional package that does work on all versions |
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| 23:38.04 | parolang | backports? |
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| 23:38.56 | Tigerboy | i think it means backported from one more leading version to another like sqeeze-backports brings the sid iceweasel to squeeze |
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| 23:39.28 | Tigerboy | but when you get it from squeeze-backports you stay squeeze but if you get iceweasel from sid it will convert you to sid |
| 23:39.44 | daemonkeeper | FSVO |
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| 23:45.30 | sarkis | hey guys, what is the best way to get .vimrc/.vim for my user and root? |
| 23:45.48 | daemonkeeper | Link it |
| 23:45.49 | sarkis | is there a "global" vimrc? |
| 23:46.04 | sarkis | or should i symlink in /home/root |
| 23:46.12 | daemonkeeper | Put it to /etc or wherever and link it to your user(s) |
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| 23:46.49 | thefirstdude | hi I noticed i need 52 cds to get debian aprently |
| 23:46.53 | thefirstdude | is there a small release |
| 23:46.56 | thefirstdude | or barebones release |
| 23:46.59 | sarkis | thefirstdude: you only need the first cd |
| 23:47.16 | sarkis | thefirstdude: 52 cds are all the repositories, in case you don't have internet access to grab what you want |
| 23:47.22 | daemonkeeper | And yes, there is a global vimrc, But this one is not really to be touched (/usr/share/vim/vimrc) |
| 23:47.30 | sarkis | daemonkeeper: thanks |
| 23:47.37 | daemonkeeper | On Debian systems you can also use /etc/vim/vimrc.local |
| 23:47.38 | sarkis | daemonkeeper: i think easiest thing is to sync it |
| 23:48.04 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 23:48.23 | fenugreek | # cp /home/foo/.bar ~/ has never really broken my back |
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| 23:51.07 | oscurochu | I used to have this toolbar that worked almost exactly like the one on a MAC. Anybody have any idea what it's called? |
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| 23:52.07 | Jayro | hello, what are some good repos i can add to debian to have a wider range of packages? |
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| 23:52.39 | Markus[uOS] | getdeb mirror is kinda nice |
| 23:52.42 | ssf | fleischergesell: update on my gparted situation. dunno if you you are on here atm, but to you and anyone else who was following, i think you (fleischergesell) may have been right. i think it may have been doing a read-only test the first time and NOW it is doing the actual move (I looked again at "details"), as you said. I will find out if this is correct once it completes. sorry to have wasted people's time. very short of sleep lately, my |
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| 23:53.09 | josi_ | Hi, it seems taht openldap changed its config files from /etc/ldap/slapd.conf to .... a bunch of ldap schemas? Does anyone know how to modify these? I cant even find the loglevel anymore. |
| 23:53.14 | ksx4system | will it be possible to use module assistant with kernel 3.0 compiled from source (not Debian package of any sort, the one from kernel.org)? |
| 23:53.28 | daemonkeeper | No, ksx4system |
| 23:53.44 | Jayro | anyone? |
| 23:53.57 | daemonkeeper | But you can use make-kpkg to build Debian packages out of the kernel.org kernel, ksx4system |
| 23:54.00 | Markus[uOS] | search for getdeb Jayro |
| 23:54.13 | oscurochu | Jayro: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:54.22 | ksx4system | daemonkeeper: thanks for info! i didn't know this. |
| 23:54.33 | Jayro | oscurochu, just have access to newer/more packages |
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| 23:55.23 | daemonkeeper | Please don't use external repositories, they are of unknown quality and will most likely not meet Debian's quality standards. |
| 23:55.49 | Jayro | daemonkeeper, any trusted ones you can suugest? |
| 23:56.05 | daemonkeeper | Everything you can find in official ones. |
| 23:56.09 | boudiccas | Jayro; which version are you using? |
| 23:56.19 | daemonkeeper | Everything else is not trusted. |
| 23:56.32 | Jayro | boudiccas, debian 6, squeeze |
| 23:56.47 | daemonkeeper | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.47 | boudiccas | Jayro; i'd stick with stable then |
| 23:56.49 | epsilon | Jayro: there are no "general wider" repo, most are specialized to specific themes |
| 23:57.02 | epsilon | Jayro: is there anything you're missing? |
| 23:57.45 | josi_ | aparently the wiki is still referring to slapd.conf. |
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| 23:58.38 | FDFlock | epsilon: Most sane persons are missing a proper Firefox |
| 23:58.42 | FDFlock | Sorry, I just couldn't resist saying it. |
| 23:58.59 | boudiccas | FDFlock; use iceweasel then :) |
| 23:59.26 | Jayro | well, what are the components other then 'main' and 'non-free' i can add to the repo's i already have? |
| 23:59.27 | epsilon | nah, icewaesel is 10 versions behind Firefox!11 |
| 23:59.30 | FDFlock | boudiccas: i know that, and I also know the reasons I don't really like the situation ;) |
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