| 00:00.00 | MrFrood | mozill.debian.net |
| 00:00.22 | epsilon | Jayro: "main contrib non-free" - it more kinda licence question, if you don't care much, addd all 3. they are all provided by debian project |
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| 00:00.34 | Jayro | epsilon, thanks |
| 00:01.24 | boudiccas | MrFrood; when i put www.mozill.debian.net into iceweasel it cant find the site, any idea why please? |
| 00:01.30 | epsilon | only repo you could look at is debian-multimedia, if you need much multimedia stuff |
| 00:01.34 | FDFlock | boudiccas: including the browser ID issue, the patchset issue, and the fact that they changed the name and log just for the sake of changing it |
| 00:01.41 | FDFlock | boudiccas: mozilla.debian.net |
| 00:01.44 | MrFrood | boudiccas: no www |
| 00:01.50 | FDFlock | 8logo |
| 00:01.55 | FDFlock | *logo |
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| 00:02.36 | MrFrood | ah.. and an a |
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| 00:11.16 | vdrandom | if I want to limit memory usage by user, which item should I put in /etc/security/limits? |
| 00:11.49 | vdrandom | and how about RAM/SWAP? can I limit those usage in that file too? |
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| 00:12.30 | oscurochu | "configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found." how do i fix this? |
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| 00:15.27 | Markus[uOS] | is it not documented with lintian? |
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| 00:17.45 | boudiccas | when i install any packages with dpkg now i get the following messages ....... locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory.....locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory....locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory...... how do i set the default locale then please? |
| 00:18.06 | Jayro | i have an application that is ment for kde and uses ksdue to run, i edited the gnomemenu to use sudo, anyone know why is dosnt start? |
| 00:18.14 | Jan_Flanders | Hi, I'm trying to call an executable on the server (Apache/2.2.9 (Debian)) but it gives me: line 1: mxmlc: command not found or line 1: ../../../../../opt/flex/bin/mxmlc: Permission denied. It works when I try myself from PuTTY. What do I need to do to make it work/be found from my script? |
| 00:18.26 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: that means the locale is not installed |
| 00:19.11 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: what locale you try to use? |
| 00:19.26 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; i'm in the UK |
| 00:19.31 | Tiffy | boudiccas: aptitude install locales and dpkg-reconfigure locales if needed |
| 00:19.50 | Markus[uOS] | yes like Tiffy recommends :) |
| 00:20.02 | Jayro | anyone? |
| 00:20.29 | inference | how to get gpg keys to work on squeeze to get backports? |
| 00:20.58 | inference | debian-archive-keyring work fine |
| 00:21.16 | inference | says debian-multimedia-keyring, at least it says |
| 00:21.25 | inference | it work too |
| 00:21.46 | inference | but give eof errors when getting backports, says no key found or somethin |
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| 00:22.27 | inference | i rebuild keyrings, still not work |
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| 00:22.41 | inference | cant get virtualbox either |
| 00:24.07 | inference | rebuilt sources.list and it still say gpg keys are invalid |
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| 00:25.13 | boudiccas | Tiffy; i've just done ...... dpkg-reconfigure locales .... and i cant read it! black text on a dark blue background, and then the choices are a faint white text on a slightly lighter blue background, but which are unreadable! Any clues please as to how to get it so that its readable and useful please? |
| 00:25.39 | Markus[uOS] | do |
| 00:25.44 | Markus[uOS] | export LC_ALL=C |
| 00:25.50 | Markus[uOS] | and do it again |
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| 00:27.49 | inference | any help? |
| 00:27.58 | inference | i am frustrate |
| 00:28.17 | Markus[uOS] | :( |
| 00:29.42 | inference | i say: aptitude uninstall debian-archive-keyring && aptitude uninstall debiab-multimedia-keyring |
| 00:30.03 | Jayro | i have an application that is ment for kde and uses ksdue to run, i edited the gnomemenu to use sudo, anyone know why is dosnt start? |
| 00:30.03 | Markus[uOS] | inference: you need the debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:30.05 | inference | then say: rm /etc/apt/*.gpg |
| 00:30.42 | inference | then say: aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring && aptitude reinstall debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 00:30.57 | inference | should remake them right? |
| 00:31.00 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; i did the export command and then ran ......... sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales...... still no difference in the background or readability, although when i closed it, all the cruft had gone and it exited cleanly |
| 00:31.01 | Markus[uOS] | i think you will need |
| 00:31.03 | Markus[uOS] | ebian-backports-keyring |
| 00:31.08 | inference | but i stil get error like they out of date |
| 00:31.09 | Markus[uOS] | debian-backports-keyring |
| 00:31.22 | inference | ah so! thankyou i not have this |
| 00:31.26 | Markus[uOS] | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=debian-backports-keyring |
| 00:32.10 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: so its a color setting problem, or console font issue |
| 00:32.55 | Jayro | anybody? |
| 00:34.30 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; i tried .... backgrnd=white text=black.... but it didnt 'take' and wasnt reflected in the gui of .... dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:34.36 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: what console you are using? is it the interactive shell? |
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| 00:34.47 | inference | it say lenny-backports |
| 00:34.51 | inference | but i use squeeze |
| 00:35.01 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; the default one for squeezy |
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| 00:35.25 | warpzero | good way to get a more recent wine on squeeze? |
| 00:35.31 | th0r | Jayro: try using gksu |
| 00:35.41 | Jayro | th0r, thank you!! |
| 00:35.47 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: are you running under a window manager allready or only console |
| 00:35.50 | fenugreek | warpzero: compile it? |
| 00:36.08 | warpzero | poop |
| 00:36.09 | warpzero | ok |
| 00:36.10 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; i'm using KDE, and bash for the konsole |
| 00:36.13 | inference | warpzero, i try this too, but to get with apt i have crazy gpg errors |
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| 00:36.37 | inference | say no key found when i can sit there and look at it |
| 00:36.50 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: so maybe your .bashrc is broken or unconfigured or was wrong configured? |
| 00:36.58 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: thats hard to say from here |
| 00:37.23 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: that could have several causes thats the problem |
| 00:38.10 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; all i've done to it is to change the prompt to give the date and time and also the line number. i havent changed anything in the .bashrc at all |
| 00:38.24 | Markus[uOS] | ha ok |
| 00:38.34 | Markus[uOS] | then its the prompt you maybe have wrong configured |
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| 00:38.49 | warpzero | why can't there just be a latest-wine-for-debian-stable repo like there used to be |
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| 00:39.32 | Markus[uOS] | could you use a pastebin service |
| 00:39.54 | inference | so when i say this: sudo wget -q http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | apt-key add - |
| 00:40.01 | inference | i get 5 gpg errors, all say eof |
| 00:40.01 | Markus[uOS] | and post the related file you have changed to have another prompt |
| 00:40.08 | Markus[uOS] | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 00:40.21 | kgoetz | inference: yhou need to sudo apt-key, not wget |
| 00:40.50 | inference | maybe i am retard, thank |
| 00:41.18 | inference | great success! |
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| 00:42.04 | fenugreek | been using cpanel again? |
| 00:42.42 | inference | warpzero, here is what i do to get wine now, don't know if working yet, but will share |
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| 00:43.12 | inference | i say: wget -O - http://www.lamaresh.net/apt/key.gpg | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:43.39 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; the prompt looks like this ...... :Sat Jul 23 01:33:03 @~/cron]$ [527]>; ..... and i detailed what i did in my blog post of july 5th entitled 'Bash Command LIne' at http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html |
| 00:43.42 | inference | then add this to /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt squeeze main |
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| 00:44.01 | warpzero | inference, lamaresh.net no longer keeps up to date it seems |
| 00:44.18 | fenugreek | what happens when you rely on lamas |
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| 00:44.25 | inference | i almost say expletive |
| 00:44.35 | fenugreek | expletive you! |
| 00:45.05 | inference | i feeling smart and semi-pro user until 2 second ago |
| 00:45.19 | fenugreek | so, ssdd? =) |
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| 00:46.15 | Markus[uOS] | do the following to reset the prompt: PS1='\h:\w\$ ' |
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| 00:47.07 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; why? i like the prompt as it is and it helps me in daily usage |
| 00:47.22 | Markus[uOS] | its just to test where the error from |
| 00:47.48 | Markus[uOS] | prompt with usage of functions may cause very ugly failures |
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| 00:49.30 | inference | how i get terminal to give dhammapada like i once had? |
| 00:49.32 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: just for testing, you could have your prompt back, i dont want to steal it ^^ |
| 00:50.00 | inference | nm, i found |
| 00:50.05 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; ok, the prompt now shows ...... london:~/cron$ |
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| 00:50.28 | fenugreek | inference: what happens when you try to use it now? |
| 00:50.43 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: and color? |
| 00:50.47 | edbian | I have a headless debian server running remotely. It gets very light traffic yet free reports 800Mb of 1Gb of ram are used. Is this normal? |
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| 00:52.00 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; there is no difference in the colour at all |
| 00:52.16 | Markus[uOS] | its just in the debconf process? |
| 00:52.29 | dvs | edbian: you have to look at the second line of "free" to see the real memory use. |
| 00:52.40 | fenugreek | edbian: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 00:52.44 | edbian | dvs: Oh all the buffers |
| 00:52.45 | edbian | duh |
| 00:52.46 | edbian | thanks |
| 00:53.10 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; its in the ..... dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:53.10 | inference | fenu it seems to run ok |
| 00:53.27 | inference | fenugreek, it seems to run ok, it build, it show desktop |
| 00:53.35 | inference | i have no win program to try yet though |
| 00:53.36 | fenugreek | inference: hrmm? What's the problem? |
| 00:53.42 | warpzero | ah |
| 00:53.48 | warpzero | apt-get build-dep wine |
| 00:53.49 | Markus[uOS] | i think you must provide a image or someone else here have an idea what this may is? |
| 00:53.52 | warpzero | why didnt i think of this |
| 00:53.53 | inference | i dunno, what is problem? |
| 00:53.57 | warpzero | smacks his forehead |
| 00:54.04 | fenugreek | inference: okay then... |
| 00:54.29 | inference | maybe it not bleeding edge version |
| 00:54.46 | inference | maybe i need different version to play skyrim |
| 00:54.47 | inference | idk |
| 00:55.25 | inference | speaking of games, when i try to launch nexuiz, it make screen checkered shit |
| 00:55.32 | inference | stuff* |
| 00:55.41 | fenugreek | mmm, nexuiz |
| 00:55.56 | inference | cannot start OpenGL or some such |
| 00:56.14 | inference | maybe it these proprietary nVidia drivers |
| 00:56.30 | inference | hates self for bad gpu decide |
| 00:56.43 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; whats the kde screencapture program please? if i cna use it to get a screen capture then i can upload it to my website for you to see |
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| 00:57.14 | fenugreek | ksnapshot? |
| 00:57.25 | stew | boudiccas: hit your printscreen button |
| 00:57.28 | Markus[uOS] | try print key |
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| 00:58.25 | Markus[uOS] | stew maybe you have an idea then and could advise boudiccas ? |
| 00:58.28 | boudiccas | fenugreek; thanks, thast the one :) |
| 00:58.37 | lduros | in autoremove I have tons of gnome packages listed, including gconf-editor, gnome-disk-utility, etc etc. why is that? It's like many many gnome packages set to be removed. including gtk2-engines |
| 00:58.43 | inference | scrot is good for screenshot |
| 00:58.55 | lduros | also a lot of python packages |
| 01:00.02 | stew | lduros: if there are some you want to keep, you an unmark them as automatically installed with apt-mark |
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| 01:00.11 | MrFrood | lduros: are you trying to remove the gnome meta package somewhere? |
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| 01:00.41 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/snapshot3.png is the screen capture showing the problem |
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| 01:01.01 | Markus[uOS] | thats ok |
| 01:01.17 | Markus[uOS] | that are the locales bro |
| 01:01.31 | Markus[uOS] | check an en prefixed locale |
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| 01:02.00 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; ps, i'm female :) but the blue background makes the programs output unreadable! |
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| 01:02.36 | Markus[uOS] | you could use cursor keys to move up and down |
| 01:02.47 | Markus[uOS] | and space key to activate a menu point |
| 01:03.04 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; yes, i could, but i cant read what the output is for the line the cursor is on! |
| 01:03.32 | stew | it says "All locales" |
| 01:03.39 | Markus[uOS] | yes i can read it |
| 01:04.02 | Markus[uOS] | its pretty normal boudiccas |
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| 01:04.47 | roland- | !gnome3 |
| 01:04.47 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
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| 01:06.24 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; by turning off the deskside lamp by the keyboard and monitor and taking my glasses off, i can read the black text, but i'm totally unable to read the white text on the blue background of the choices. which makes the program useless! |
| 01:06.34 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: you also could use other debconf frontends |
| 01:06.43 | Markus[uOS] | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 01:06.51 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; ok, what are they then please? |
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| 01:08.17 | Markus[uOS] | Dialog, like you now have |
| 01:08.31 | Markus[uOS] | Readline, Gnome, Kde, Editor, Noninteractive |
| 01:09.13 | jmarsden | And web. |
| 01:09.39 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: as you have Kde, i can recommend you to use Kde, if you not want that Dialog style |
| 01:09.46 | jmarsden | installing debconf-doc and then doing man 7 debconf will get you more information. |
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| 01:10.34 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; i've just tried ...... dpkg-reconfigure debconf ... and managed to read the screen, and accepted kde and critical, and then got dumped back at the konsole prompt. is this normal? |
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| 01:12.02 | doomfinger | Do you have to add xset settings to .xinitrc for them to persist? |
| 01:12.02 | Markus[uOS] | you can test it by doing a reconfigure again |
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| 01:13.26 | somiaj | doomfinger: many of them should have options in your xorg.conf file you can setup as the defaults, but yes you could run them each time X initilizes if you want to preset those settings that way. |
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| 01:13.56 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: the next windows where you have critical is what messages you may want to see by debconf |
| 01:14.32 | Markus[uOS] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.36 | doomfinger | Thanks! I just wasn't sure if the settings persisted or if they have to be rerun. |
| 01:14.39 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; ah right, it certainly shows me all the error messages as they scroll by! :) |
| 01:14.40 | Markus[uOS] | ooops sry |
| 01:15.16 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: if you have checked Kde and reconfigured you now have gui like debconf |
| 01:15.23 | Markus[uOS] | is that great :)??? |
| 01:16.17 | fenugreek | doomfinger: you been watching Doctor Who? |
| 01:16.44 | doomfinger | fenugreek: :) |
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| 01:17.56 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; kde is checked ,and i'm assuming that i'm reconfigured but i dont know how to check, although i have ..... dpkg-reconfigure debconf ........ and theres no difference that i can see |
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| 01:18.59 | doomfinger | somiaj: Will turning off dpms effect xfce4-power-manager? |
| 01:20.08 | fenugreek | turning off what? |
| 01:20.25 | doomfinger | energy star features. |
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| 01:20.42 | somiaj | doomfinger: I'm unsure if xfce4 uses X dpms or not to shut the monintor off |
| 01:20.48 | somiaj | doomfinger: try it and find out |
| 01:21.04 | fenugreek | doomfinger: turning it off how |
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| 01:21.35 | doomfinger | somiaj: Thanks! I appreciate your help! |
| 01:21.54 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: you will get it, i bet :) |
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| 01:23.11 | doomfinger | fenugreek: xset -dpms |
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| 01:25.08 | fenugreek | probably just turn it back on |
| 01:25.17 | fenugreek | that's rather the point of a power manager, no? |
| 01:25.19 | fenugreek | to manage |
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| 01:26.56 | doomfinger | yeah, but I don't want my screen to turn off went the power is plugged in. I turn xfce-PM to suspend never when in that state, but the screen still turns off. |
| 01:27.24 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; thanks for your help, but i dont know what we've achieved, except that i'm a newbie on debian |
| 01:27.35 | doomfinger | I've had the same problem when I used ubuntu with gnome. |
| 01:27.52 | fenugreek | doomfinger: arguably power management is even more important when plugged in =P |
| 01:28.11 | fenugreek | you understand the screen eats more power than any other component of the system? |
| 01:28.36 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: have you read the debian manual, or had a look into it, as you are a newbee |
| 01:28.42 | fenugreek | and if you were actually using it, it wouldn't go off |
| 01:28.55 | doomfinger | yeah, but I watch it all day, but I don't touch the mouse or keyboard. |
| 01:29.09 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: i recommend this for you |
| 01:29.10 | Markus[uOS] | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ |
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| 01:29.40 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; no, i've not read any documentation except about udisks |
| 01:30.20 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: debian is the best choice, the docs are very clean written and if you need additional material, its also available |
| 01:30.48 | boudiccas | Markus[uOS]; ok, thanks. i'll mark it for reading when i get up |
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| 01:31.28 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: you will like it, its easy |
| 01:33.29 | Markus[uOS] | boudiccas: this is also goodfor newbies http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 01:35.51 | rickbol | how do I upgrade from squeexe to wheezy. apt-get dist-upgrade comes up all zeros. |
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| 01:37.00 | Markus[uOS] | rickbol: change the debian_version |
| 01:37.28 | rickbol | where? how? |
| 01:37.55 | Markus[uOS] | /etc/debian_version |
| 01:38.00 | Markus[uOS] | wheezy/sid |
| 01:38.10 | stew | uh, no. that is not a file you edit |
| 01:38.10 | Markus[uOS] | or only wheezy, iam not sure!!! |
| 01:38.19 | stew | rickbol: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:38.22 | Markus[uOS] | and the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:38.35 | stew | rickbol: do not edit /etc/debian_version |
| 01:38.40 | Markus[uOS] | why stew |
| 01:38.49 | Markus[uOS] | is it just in this case? |
| 01:39.07 | rickbol | faq says edit the 3rd line in sources.list, but nothing special there. |
| 01:39.32 | stew | Markus[uOS]: its a conffile of base-files. it is managed by that debian package |
| 01:39.41 | Markus[uOS] | yeahg i know |
| 01:39.49 | Markus[uOS] | ah ok so only sources.list |
| 01:39.59 | rickbol | Do I change all the references in sources.list to wheezy? |
| 01:40.00 | Markus[uOS] | and dist-upgrade, to keep in mind |
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| 01:42.38 | rickbol | so the faq is outdated? I just change all squeeze to wheezy in sources.list, then dist-upgrade? |
| 01:42.54 | Markus[uOS] | yeah think so rickbol |
| 01:42.57 | stew | rickbol: which faq? did you "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
| 01:43.42 | stew | rickbol: some of the sources for squeeze would not exist for wheezy, such as squeeze-updates / squeeze-backports ; depending on what you have added |
| 01:44.10 | stew | the security repository does exist for wheezy, but it will get no actual security update (at least for a long time) |
| 01:44.28 | rickbol | clean install of squeeze\lxfe |
| 01:44.38 | Markus[uOS] | stew, how you keep all that informations in mind? it kinda overwhelms me sometimes |
| 01:44.48 | stew | Markus[uOS]: i've been doing this for a long time |
| 01:45.38 | rickbol | faq @ http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.11 |
| 01:45.42 | Strife89 | Could someone tell me how to make a shell script check to see if the user is root? |
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| 01:46.33 | stew | Strife89: [ $UID -eq 0 ] |
| 01:46.48 | Strife89 | So |
| 01:46.52 | Markus[uOS] | stew: for how long you are member of the Debian Project? |
| 01:47.21 | rickbol | stew: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy returns /msg: No such file or directory |
| 01:47.33 | stew | dpkg: tell rickbol about squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:48.01 | stew | Markus[uOS]: i've only officially been a member of the project for a few years. I've been a maintainer for a few more, I've been helping here for 8 or so |
| 01:48.20 | stew | rickbol: it was meant as a command to type in irc, not in a shell, the bot should have sent you info now |
| 01:48.33 | rickbol | doh! |
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| 01:49.34 | rickbol | bot isn't answering |
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| 01:49.43 | stew | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:49.43 | dpkg | Following a release, testing tends to be more of a developer's playground and a <moving target>. If you have to ask how to do this, ask yourself if you know enough about Debian packaging to run a non-stable release yet. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>. |
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| 01:52.31 | Markus[uOS] | stew: that makes it even harder for beginners as the debian build system is historical complex like hell |
| 01:53.12 | stew | Markus[uOS]: what is complex? |
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| 01:53.27 | Markus[uOS] | the debian build system and project structure itself |
| 01:53.29 | snax | hi |
| 01:53.36 | snax | is libdvdcss still needed to play dvds on debian ? |
| 01:53.38 | stew | Markus[uOS]: why would a beginner be using the build system? |
| 01:53.46 | stew | snax: if the dvd is encrypted, yes |
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| 01:54.40 | stew | Markus[uOS]: what do you mean by project structure? |
| 01:55.38 | Markus[uOS] | the serverstructure, the BT Service, the Newsgroups that grab into the build system and so much more .... |
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| 01:56.04 | stew | i don't follow |
| 01:56.31 | Markus[uOS] | Debian is a big Software Project, isnt it |
| 01:56.34 | stew | dunnow what you mean by serverstructure. I don't know what the BT servie is. |
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| 01:56.39 | stew | yes, quite big |
| 01:56.44 | stew | thousands of contributors |
| 01:56.47 | Markus[uOS] | yes |
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| 01:56.58 | Markus[uOS] | and that makes it even more hard to understand, you get me now |
| 01:57.02 | stew | no |
| 01:57.21 | rww | stew: (I think they meant BTS?) |
| 01:57.47 | Markus[uOS] | BT/Service yes |
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| 01:57.59 | rww | Markus[uOS]: BTS stands for Bug Tracking System ;) |
| 01:58.00 | Markus[uOS] | bugzilla |
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| 01:58.06 | stew | not bugzilla |
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| 01:58.16 | rww | thank gods |
| 01:58.25 | Markus[uOS] | DNS also stands for Domain Name System, and could be called Domain Name Space or Service |
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| 01:58.53 | stew | it could also be called domain name sandwich for that matter |
| 01:59.31 | stew | Markus[uOS]: do you have suggestions about how debian could be improved? |
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| 02:00.58 | Markus[uOS] | stew: good question |
| 02:01.27 | snax | !codecs |
| 02:01.27 | dpkg | A codec (portmanteau of "compressor-decompressor") is a program or device used to encode/decode a data stream or signal. Ask me about <libavcodec>, <w32codecs>. |
| 02:01.34 | snax | !dvd |
| 02:01.34 | dpkg | [dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <totem>, <vlc>, <xine> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
| 02:01.59 | snax | !dvd playback |
| 02:01.59 | dpkg | To play DVDs, you need media playing software, ask me about <dvd> for suggestions. You will likely require the libdvdcss2 package to be installed, ask me about <libdvdcss>. You will also need to set a region on your DVD player; if you have never done so before, use regionset. See also <dvd playback troubleshooting>. |
| 02:02.07 | stew | snax: (you can /msg the bot) |
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| 02:02.22 | snax | sorry. |
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| 02:02.26 | Markus[uOS] | stew: we are a small group, that doing a debian fork at present , so hard to say how to improve debian |
| 02:02.51 | Markus[uOS] | as we have to improve our derivat self |
| 02:03.02 | stew | Markus[uOS]: what's the point of forking debian? why not help improve debian instead? |
| 02:03.03 | un214 | My advice is do it in a way that overlays stock debian |
| 02:03.55 | un214 | stew: because trying to get changes merged can be a headache |
| 02:04.13 | stew | bah |
| 02:04.20 | Markus[uOS] | stew: this also could help improvind as maybe some day we have a bigger group and could deliver patches for example |
| 02:05.08 | stew | you don't need to separate yourself from debian in order to contribute patches to debian |
| 02:05.21 | subuser | any of you good with how the brk system call works and how the assignment of startup values for the system break and stack are found? i have a book here on the 32 bit x86 assembly language and the behaviour of it's system call brk, which is different from the behaviour of the nonglibc behaviour of x86_64 brk and there's some other oddities i'm curious about -> http://pastebin.com/1R2rUwHd |
| 02:05.30 | Markus[uOS] | stew: no thats exactly not what we wanna do |
| 02:05.56 | un214 | what I'd love is a way to say "I want all depends for package X but not package X" |
| 02:06.41 | un214 | subuser: it so happens the the glibc function and the syscall differ |
| 02:06.49 | subuser | yeah it says in the manual |
| 02:07.09 | subuser | i'm guessing the difference between .byte and .bss can be a alignment problem from the elf header |
| 02:07.24 | stew | un214: "aptitude search '~Rpackage1!~Rpackage2'" ? |
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| 02:08.22 | subuser | teh behaviour of the 32 bit brk, non-glibc, was supposedly to return the current break with 0 as arguement, return 0 if given a request it couldn't handle, and return the rounded to pagesize allocation otherwise |
| 02:08.23 | Markus[uOS] | stew: to make it short, every software project has its beginning :) |
| 02:08.32 | un214 | stew: you do realize that's the same X in both locations right? |
| 02:08.37 | Jan_Flanders | I solved. Many thanks for all the help. |
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| 02:08.48 | stew | un214: what is x? |
| 02:08.54 | un214 | in this case iceweasel |
| 02:09.06 | stew | then I don't understand what you are looking for |
| 02:09.12 | subuser | but here pagesize seems to not be returned as a rounded allocation, and 0 isn't ever returned |
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| 02:09.21 | subuser | as the manual page says on the 0 |
| 02:09.30 | stew | oh |
| 02:09.37 | un214 | I want to say install all depends of iceweasel (to satisfy depends of stock firefox) but don't install iceweasel (it will not be used) |
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| 02:09.49 | stew | un214: aptitude install '~Riceweasel' |
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| 02:10.35 | stew | though that's probably going to be broader than you want |
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| 02:11.05 | stew | un214: why bother with stock firefox? |
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| 02:11.26 | philipballew | :QUESTION Connecting to wireless access point from cli? |
| 02:11.28 | fenugreek | rice weasel, heh |
| 02:11.43 | un214 | because iceweasel is behind |
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| 02:11.50 | stew | philipballew: you question was lacking a verb |
| 02:11.55 | stew | un214: see mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:12.26 | philipballew | Stew what verb do you recommend? |
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| 02:12.45 | stew | philipballew: i don't need one, nevermind |
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| 02:13.28 | un214 | ~Riceweasel doesn't work and you don't have the eqv. to 5.0 on mozilla.debian.net |
| 02:13.51 | stew | un214: select "release" in the version dropdown for 5.0 |
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| 02:14.04 | stew | (or beta for 6.0, or aurora for 7.0 auiu) |
| 02:14.22 | Trawlen | http://pastebin.com/cvLuhn6n and http://pastebin.com/cvLuhn6n - somebody please help half my sysytem's broken. Thanks |
| 02:14.57 | philipballew | stew alright, well the question has been sat out |
| 02:15.10 | fenugreek | un214: behind? |
| 02:15.20 | stew | un214: "release" is currently iceweasel Version: 5.0-3~bpo60+1 |
| 02:16.07 | wols_ | Trawlen: what's in your sources.list and what is the current version of your libc6? |
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| 02:16.48 | wols_ | philipballew: use wicd-curses or edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:17.14 | wols_ | philipballew: I think network-manager has a curses based interface too but can't remember the name right now |
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| 02:18.16 | Trawlen | wols_: http://pastebin.com/sD8e2yBH and my current version is 2.7 |
| 02:18.37 | Trawlen | wols_: It all happened after i did a big install with aptitude. |
| 02:19.21 | philipballew | wils_ nmcli i think |
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| 02:19.58 | wols_ | philipballew: if you already know, why ask? |
| 02:20.11 | wols_ | ,versions libc6 |
| 02:20.14 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.13-10; wheezy: 2.13-10 |
| 02:20.24 | philipballew | wols_ you saying that made it come to mind |
| 02:21.05 | wols_ | Trawlen: as you can see you currently run lenny but you have testing in your sources.list which is 2 debian releases after lenny. what version of debian do you want to run? |
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| 02:21.43 | wols_ | Trawlen: and what packages have you installed with your upgrade? |
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| 02:22.26 | Trawlen | wols_: I would like to run any version which will work, to be honest. I don't need a specific install. And over 20, but i can't get the list |
| 02:23.20 | wols_ | Trawlen: since you seem to have many many packages needing libc6 2.13-10 and downgrade is not really an option, install the libc6 2.13-10 from wheezy manually as you tried with dpkg |
| 02:23.56 | wols_ | and when you have fixed that whole mess, change every occurrence of "testing" in your sources.list with "wheezy" |
| 02:24.12 | Trawlen | Problem. I don't know where to start. |
| 02:24.24 | wols_ | to start with what? |
| 02:24.40 | Trawlen | "install the libc6 2.13-10 from wheezy manually as you tried with dpkg" |
| 02:25.08 | Trawlen | I can change sources.list but.. I don't know what you mean by that. Im not exactly "experienced". Just know enough to do what i wanna do |
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| 02:26.17 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libc6 get the package for the arch you run and install it via dpkg -i |
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| 02:27.36 | Trawlen | http://pastebin.com/w0eq5PBX |
| 02:28.07 | Trawlen | I can't change the kernel. |
| 02:28.37 | Trawlen | I guess ill just reinstall the system after backups |
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| 02:29.15 | wols_ | wise choice. and ask your VPS hoster to give you a recent kernel so you can use a recent version of Linux |
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| 02:29.49 | neoice | can someone give me a brief reason why I can't just change from amd64-linux to amd64-kFreeBSD? |
| 02:30.21 | stew | neoice: because the entire userspace is different, since stuff is compiled against different libraries |
| 02:30.24 | koollman | neoice: different os, different base libc |
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| 02:36.57 | tharkun | Gentlemen how is this mp3 encoder called? |
| 02:37.45 | Markus[uOS] | ffmpeg? |
| 02:37.56 | subuser | well, i did some further experimenting and decided some things, all of which only tell me how to use the call more accurately -> http://pastebin.com/2Q273bdx |
| 02:37.59 | Markus[uOS] | lame |
| 02:38.00 | fenugreek | tharkun: lame |
| 02:38.12 | Markus[uOS] | fraunhofer |
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| 02:38.38 | boudiccas | tharkun; we're not all gentlemen here, some of us are female! |
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| 02:38.47 | subuser | learning asm is difficult as it is, trying to modify the discussion materials into a different context while learning them is even more difficult :p, but i think i'm doing ok |
| 02:38.52 | lduros | hello, I'd like to install python2.7 in debian. I could install from the sources. However, is there a package available in backports or something? I'm still new to Debian |
| 02:39.06 | tharkun | boudiccas: Fair lady, you are the exception to the rule. |
| 02:39.48 | boudiccas | tharkun; and buttering up like that tends to mean that you want something!? |
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| 02:40.54 | tharkun | boudiccas: apart of having some nice lines to smile about. I happen to be too far away from your reach :) |
| 02:40.55 | subuser | not even manual pages tells the whole story sometimes |
| 02:41.12 | centHOGG | hi, any recomendations for the easiest best linux web create/editor |
| 02:41.22 | fenugreek | centHOGG: web create? |
| 02:41.28 | boudiccas | centHOGG; bluefish |
| 02:41.28 | centHOGG | html |
| 02:41.32 | centHOGG | ok |
| 02:42.06 | fenugreek | is this #centos' backup? =P |
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| 02:42.31 | boudiccas | tharkun; how do you know that, you dont know where in the world i am! |
| 02:43.08 | centHOGG | boudiccas: thx i will try that one out |
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| 02:43.10 | tharkun | boudiccas: But i do know where i am and i know for sure you are pretty far away from my location :D |
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| 02:43.23 | boudiccas | centHOGG; yw |
| 02:44.11 | boudiccas | tharkun; but you cant be sure of that knowledge, it could be wrong |
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| 02:48.03 | w7nz7k | hi! i want to install emacs-garak... sadly, libpurple requires a bunch of libraries (including gtk!) and this is for my server. |
| 02:48.15 | w7nz7k | any ideas to get around this? |
| 02:48.20 | tharkun | boudiccas: I only know facts. And i know for a fact that your location is not near mine |
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| 02:48.54 | tharkun | w7nz7k: install it on your laptop, recompile or use equivs |
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| 02:49.39 | ksx4system | does Debian squeeze 2.6.32 kernel support TRIM for SSD disks? if not - does kernel from Debian Backports (for squeeze, of course) supports it? |
| 02:49.39 | tharkun | w7nz7k: either way you might as well set up a chroot to prepare all the needed stuff for you to install |
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| 02:50.22 | tharkun | ksx4system: if you have the pci id of the hdd you can ask judd ( /msg judd pciid xxxx:xxxx) |
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| 02:51.15 | ksx4system | tharkun: unfortunately i don't have :( but i consider buying OCZ Vertex II 60Gb today |
| 02:52.21 | centHOGG | OCZ is pretty good |
| 02:52.26 | w7nz7k | tharkun: equivs? like what? |
| 02:52.50 | tharkun | w7nz7k: apt-cache show equivs |
| 02:53.06 | wols_ | !equivs |
| 02:53.06 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 02:53.23 | tharkun | wols_: thanks |
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| 02:53.37 | wols_ | tharkun:SSDs or harddisks have no PCI IDs |
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| 02:54.05 | wols_ | linux from 2.6.33 onwards have trim support |
| 02:54.26 | tharkun | wols_: Thanks for the correction |
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| 02:54.51 | wols_ | ksx4system: I suggest you use the backport kernel and add the "discard" option to fstab |
| 02:54.53 | tharkun | ksx4system: wols_ is right, my mistake |
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| 02:55.31 | wols_ | ksx4system: and use ext4 |
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| 03:00.18 | UpInFlames | where do I specify vga=791 in wheezy |
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| 03:01.04 | ksx4system | wols_: i do use ext4 always when it's possible. |
| 03:01.25 | un214 | I prefer vga=console |
| 03:01.38 | wols_ | UpInFlames: in /bin/e dsaddd |
| 03:01.42 | tsccof | what is the de-facto high-level package manager for debian? |
| 03:01.47 | tsccof | apt or aptitude? |
| 03:01.47 | apt | rumour has it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 03:01.50 | wols_ | UpInFlames: in /etc/default/grub somwhere. |
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| 03:02.13 | wols_ | tsccof: user choice |
| 03:02.28 | wols_ | UpInFlames: you need to run update-grub after editing it |
| 03:02.49 | subuser | i always install stuff from console cause i don't want to have suable accounts on x-server's or it's users |
| 03:02.59 | ksx4system | wols_: so, with "discard" option in fstab and latest possible kernel (the one from backports or even custom compiled 3.0 from kernel.org) it'll be possible to bypass performance drop? |
| 03:03.10 | subuser | i could probably invent a account for that purpose alone, but that'd be alot of work |
| 03:03.17 | wols_ | ksx4system: then you will use TRIM |
| 03:04.04 | subuser | aptitude's alright, i preferred dselect though, and find apt-cache search to be good enough usually |
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| 03:23.22 | n-iCe | hi, how do I stop loading the driver rtl8187 when Debian boots? thanks |
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| 03:24.16 | stew | n-iCe: /msg dpkg blacklist ; /msg dpkg initramfs-blacklist |
| 03:24.59 | DasEi | n-iCe: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf , add it there |
| 03:25.10 | DasEi | ah ^ |
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| 03:25.47 | stew | err |
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| 03:26.01 | stew | dpkg: initramfs-blacklist is <reply> see blacklist-initramfs |
| 03:26.01 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 03:26.07 | stew | dpkg: initramfs-blacklist |
| 03:26.07 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run 'update-initramfs -u' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 03:26.13 | n-iCe | thanks, it will stop every thing to load right? talking about rtl8187 |
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| 03:43.11 | UpInFlames | odd thing. just installed squeeze\lxde. It didn't detect the via video, and I had diagonal scrolling. |
| 03:44.38 | UpInFlames | upgraded to wheezy, same. Spent 1+ hours trying to get the console resolution to 1280x1024. PITA. Now the gui syncs. |
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| 03:46.48 | UpInFlames | I wonder why install is ignoring console resolutions, and why one would have to manually edit something as ugly as /etc/grub.d/00_header to make this work? |
| 03:58.46 | UpInFlames | where in wheezy do we change the run level for boot? |
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| 04:00.13 | wols_ | UpInFlames: /etc/inittab |
| 04:00.29 | wols_ | UpInFlames: and editing the header file in grub is wrong. I told you to edit /etc/default/grub |
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| 04:03.40 | UpInFlames | wols_: followed this: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition gfxpayload=keep has to be before insmod gfxterm |
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| 04:04.37 | UpInFlames | runlevels... we don't have a multi-user console mode bydefault anymore (runlevel 2)? |
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| 04:05.40 | wols_ | we do. it's still runlevel 2 |
| 04:05.43 | wols_ | !runlevels |
| 04:05.43 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
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| 04:13.04 | UpInFlames | is /etc/rc2.d/S19gdm the only thing I likely need to disable to just get console mode? |
| 04:13.52 | wols_ | !nodm |
| 04:13.52 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 04:15.51 | PsychoGeek | morning guys |
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| 04:52.22 | cinnamine | Since a new cablemodem arrived I can no longer ping the OpenVZ Guests from my router, but I can ping the host, which is in the same subnet. I thought that the new modem maybe pushes unusable routes to my computer, because when I ping an OpenVZ guest it says: From my.external.ip.address icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable, but the routes look okay. What could be wrong? Why does this involve the external ip address? |
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| 04:52.44 | cinnamine | Maybe because it can't find the host at first and then retries using the external gateway? |
| 04:53.33 | cinnamine | correction: *pushes unusable routes to my router |
| 04:53.57 | subuser | is there a way to see reverse dependencies on a package? i see apt-cache depends libreadline5 but how do i see what packages are installed that use that library? |
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| 04:54.25 | lamah | The following packages have been kept back ? what means that ? |
| 04:54.29 | subuser | curious cause there's a libreadline5 and 6 installed |
| 04:54.34 | wols_ | subuser: apt-rdepends ? |
| 04:55.00 | wols_ | subuser: sorry, misread. |
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| 04:55.43 | n-iCe | hi |
| 04:55.43 | wols_ | subuser: I think aptitude might be able to do it, but there is an easier way: apt-get remove libreadline5 whatever else it wants to remove needs it |
| 04:55.44 | subuser | it doesn't sow the libreadline in each package listed |
| 04:55.53 | subuser | yeah, i was thinking of that |
| 04:56.03 | subuser | but just incase i want to make sure it doesn't actually remove it |
| 04:56.14 | rww | subuser: apt-cache --installed rdepends libreadline5 |
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| 04:56.57 | subuser | there it is, ty |
| 04:57.21 | rww | apt-get -s would also prevent any removal (or other action) from occuring. |
| 04:58.55 | aminpy | how can I use vpn in debian? |
| 05:00.20 | subuser | nice, i'll try to remember this |
| 05:01.21 | subuser | i was trying to figure out how two libraries could exist at the same time and then where that is stored in the file for the linker to use, then with readelf --dynamic /usr/bin/bc and /usr/bin/ftp i can see libreadline.so.6 and libreadline.so.5 explicitly mentioned |
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| 05:08.06 | lamah | how can i list failed to load modules on boot ? |
| 05:08.20 | lamah | rclogger? |
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| 05:13.09 | wols_ | what do you call "modules"? |
| 05:13.16 | wols_ | !tell lamah about bootlog |
| 05:13.45 | cinnamine | Why would my routers external ip-address respond when I'm not able to ping an ip-address in the local area? |
| 05:14.25 | cinnamine | Pinging from the router |
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| 05:15.38 | lamah | thanks wols |
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| 05:16.58 | wols_ | cinnamine: how is a problem of doing something on your router a debian problem? |
| 05:17.15 | wols_ | cinnamine: unless someone suddenly made cablemodems which run debian |
| 05:17.34 | cinnamine | the router runs on debian |
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| 05:18.18 | wols_ | more info about the network setup needed. routing tables, what exact commands don't work and how they don't work |
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| 05:19.03 | cinnamine | yes i described the problem in more detail above. I can provide the routing tables, yes. |
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| 05:25.44 | cinnamine | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/123854/ - However currently i can't reproduce the problem as it is working right now, but it stops working at times. Maybe the problem is not the router, but still I'm confused that the extern ip-address responds. |
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| 05:26.58 | cinnamine | wols_, it might as well be the OpenVZ guest, because when it's not working I don't seem to be able to ping any other machine than it's host, but that's also difficult to reproduce. |
| 05:27.11 | cinnamine | btw I'm trying to ping 192.168.3.155 |
| 05:29.40 | subuser | when going into hibernate , it seems snort's problem is it can't remove pid file .. /var/run/snort_eth0.pid : permission denied , i didn't change that directories permissions or anything, is that a bug? |
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| 05:30.19 | subuser | maybe if i add a entry in that power management directory to remove that file at hibernate and start snort at resume it'll work fine |
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| 05:56.25 | thewarren1 | Hi |
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| 06:00.08 | fenugreek | we must leave thewarren1 |
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| 06:01.09 | inference | hi, if you have a question, just ask, and someone might help you. you might have to wait for people who arent total newbs though |
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| 06:01.47 | fenugreek | or 87% newbs, even |
| 06:01.50 | ZykoticK9 | during the netinstall there is an option along the lines of "standard tools" does anyone know if this is an available meta-package, and what it's name is? |
| 06:02.16 | fenugreek | I think they all are |
| 06:02.40 | fenugreek | ZykoticK9: http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 06:02.50 | ZykoticK9 | fenugreek, it's not there :( |
| 06:03.00 | fenugreek | ZykoticK9: what isn't where? |
| 06:03.03 | fenugreek | read the link |
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| 06:08.02 | yagoo | or 99% newbs (like on #linux) :) |
| 06:08.03 | yagoo | hehe |
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| 06:12.28 | ZykoticK9 | fenugreek, Sorry for my haste, my first idea was to use tasksel, but the "standard tools/utilities" isn't listed after install. But using the ~pstandard method should work. Thanks! |
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| 06:14.58 | fenugreek | okay, good =) |
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| 06:26.39 | tuv | why doesn't debian switch to any of the modern init-replacement systems? runit, supervisord, systemd, upstart, ...etc. |
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| 06:27.44 | fenugreek | tuv: because it isn't whimsical |
| 06:29.01 | fenugreek | while Ubuntu was switching to ext4 as default FS before there was even a win32 driver for it (something Ubuntu users tend to want), Debian was still chuggin' along |
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| 06:31.31 | tuv | fenugreek: nice vocabulary! |
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| 06:32.52 | tuv | fenugreek: the 'monitoring' aspect of it is my main motivation to consider these alternate solution. with init, services can silently die |
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| 06:37.00 | kgoetz | tuv: if youw ant the gory details look at the 300+ emails on debian-dev about init systems in the last week |
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| 06:41.44 | WormFood | is there some way, other than with IP tables, to cause a specific client to use a different default route? |
| 06:42.00 | fenugreek | tuv: nothing stopping you installing them if you want to be, arguably, rash =) |
| 06:42.19 | fenugreek | WormFood: why other than with iptables? |
| 06:42.49 | WormFood | because I'll spend more time than I want to, to learn how to configure iptables to do what I want :P |
| 06:43.30 | WormFood | I'm guessing what I want to do is possible with iptables. |
| 06:44.07 | nevyn | WormFood: what do you mean by a client? |
| 06:44.24 | WormFood | a dhcp client on the network (not a router) |
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| 06:45.03 | nevyn | so you can override default-router for the client with a host declaration in dhcp config I think |
| 06:45.16 | WormFood | yeah, I know it sounds like an odd request, but it is wanted ;) |
| 06:45.41 | nevyn | WormFood: dhcp I think supports this. |
| 06:45.53 | WormFood | yeah, I thought about that too...however I'm not sure how to do that on the router side. I mean, I can set a different default route for a specific client, but how would I handle it on the server? |
| 06:46.02 | WormFood | yes, nevyn, dhcp does allow for that. |
| 06:46.14 | WormFood | there is one router, with two routes to the outside world. |
| 06:46.28 | WormFood | I want specific clients to use the non-default route. |
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| 06:50.55 | WormFood | no suggestions? |
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| 07:01.39 | nevyn | WormFood: differential routing on the server is going to involve route2 and other hairy iptables stuff |
| 07:02.26 | WormFood | how hairy can it be? I thought what I wanted is pretty straight forward. |
| 07:03.00 | nevyn | what you want is hardly straightforward |
| 07:03.17 | nevyn | it's source based routing which isn't how tcp/ip works usually |
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| 07:03.36 | fenugreek | WormFood: that's what she said |
| 07:05.06 | WormFood | yeah, "source based routing"...I forgot about that...that is exactly what I want :P |
| 07:05.54 | WormFood | well, it is unfortunate that I have 2 routes...one is cheap, and one is expensive....the cheap route has many addresses blocked, but the expensive route has nothing blocked. |
| 07:07.09 | kaiyin | how can i backup a list of all packages on the system for the purpose of restoration? |
| 07:07.12 | yagoo | WormFood, that's called proxying. |
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| 07:07.28 | yagoo | WormFood, there are free ones all over the net. It's what political dissidents use |
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| 07:07.40 | tuv | kgoetz: woohoo.. thanks for drawing my attention to the long thread on debian-devel |
| 07:07.44 | boudiccas | kaiyin; rsync |
| 07:07.44 | WormFood | yagoo, go back into your hole, you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 07:07.48 | yagoo | lol |
| 07:07.51 | yagoo | ? |
| 07:07.57 | yagoo | thought he was trying to help |
| 07:08.01 | yagoo | i think you're rude. |
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| 07:08.14 | WormFood | I think you think I don't know what I'm doing or talking about |
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| 07:08.25 | kaiyin | boudiccas, i mean i only need those package names for reinstallation. |
| 07:08.27 | WormFood | what I'm doing is not called proxying |
| 07:08.36 | WormFood | it is called having two network routes on my router :P |
| 07:08.36 | yagoo | "<WormFood> is there some way, other than with IP tables, to cause a specific client to use a different default route?" |
| 07:08.49 | yagoo | maybe you're not asking the right question |
| 07:08.52 | WormFood | there is no proxy involved here |
| 07:09.21 | fenugreek | WormFood: have you looked at some of the iptables frontends? |
| 07:09.22 | WormFood | I thought my question was specific and to the point. Was I not clear about what I wanted? |
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| 07:09.27 | yagoo | well you said 1 interface is filtered. |
| 07:09.28 | WormFood | not lately |
| 07:09.34 | yagoo | no point in trying to balance traffic then. |
| 07:09.39 | WormFood | that is correct |
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| 07:10.08 | yagoo | I already said. |
| 07:10.15 | yagoo | There are free ones on the internet |
| 07:10.26 | WormFood | define "free" |
| 07:10.29 | yagoo | Use a proxy server externally for the cheap connection. |
| 07:10.36 | fenugreek | or what about ufw |
| 07:10.41 | fenugreek | "uncomplicated firewall" |
| 07:10.43 | WormFood | if someone misconfigures a proxy, and you use it, you could be breaking federal law |
| 07:11.01 | yagoo | Use a free one to test your settings. I don't care how you setup your choices.. I'm only trying to give u ideas or just forget about it. Thank you. |
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| 07:11.18 | fenugreek | yeah, but these days if you copy data off a physical storage device you bought, you could be breaking federal law =P |
| 07:11.20 | WormFood | if you use one of the many "free" services, they really aren't free...as you pay with extra advertisements, and they spy on you |
| 07:11.32 | yagoo | said "test" |
| 07:11.35 | yagoo | gnite |
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| 07:11.41 | WormFood | however, those services are moot, since I have my own server |
| 07:11.44 | fenugreek | breaking federal law and going to jail are different |
| 07:11.50 | WormFood | obviously |
| 07:12.07 | sauvin | Federal law of what country? |
| 07:12.13 | WormFood | I was just pointing out, that the only "free" proxies, that are not spying on you, are most likely illegal |
| 07:12.17 | WormFood | USA |
| 07:13.08 | WormFood | of course their laws, only apply in that area, and the countries they've tricked into supporting their crazy laws |
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| 07:14.48 | Doranwen | I got some help a couple weeks ago when someone was trying to hack into my server and running up my bandwidth; the solution was to install fail2ban, which seemed to work for a few days, then I noticed bandwidth going up again |
| 07:15.23 | fenugreek | IP bans only get you so far |
| 07:15.27 | WormFood | what version of debian? Latest stable? |
| 07:15.28 | Doranwen | caught the line "did not receive identification string from **some IP**" in my auth.log, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what I need to do at this point to keep them from running up my bandwidth limit |
| 07:15.36 | Doranwen | let me check, I forget |
| 07:15.48 | WormFood | are they trying to brute force your ssh server? |
| 07:16.28 | Doranwen | I'm guessing so |
| 07:16.31 | Doranwen | that's what was happening last time |
| 07:16.37 | Doranwen | version 4.0 is what I have here |
| 07:16.46 | WormFood | why not just move your ssh server to a different port? That is what I do |
| 07:16.55 | Doranwen | 's ex-boyfriend set the server up |
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| 07:17.06 | WormFood | obviously it won't stop someone that is dedicated, but it should slow them down |
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| 07:17.10 | ompaul | Doranwen: upgrade to 5 and then 6 |
| 07:17.23 | WormFood | ooohhh....do you think your ex-bf is doing this? |
| 07:17.26 | Doranwen | no |
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| 07:17.29 | Doranwen | we parted amicably |
| 07:17.33 | Doranwen | there's a bit of awkwardness |
| 07:17.37 | Doranwen | but no malice or anything |
| 07:17.39 | ompaul | Doranwen: block root logons |
| 07:17.42 | Doranwen | that's blocked |
| 07:17.48 | fenugreek | Doranwen: honeypot =) |
| 07:17.52 | WormFood | I suggest you just move the ssh port to something non-standard |
| 07:18.01 | ompaul | don't have a Normal username |
| 07:18.04 | WormFood | and upgrade to the newest stable release |
| 07:18.27 | fenugreek | I suggest tracking them down and sending them to russia with a tattoo saying they're an email spammer |
| 07:18.27 | WormFood | if you're smart, root logins would already be blocked....but ompaul, that won't stop them from trying. |
| 07:18.50 | ompaul | WormFood: no, but it reduces the paths |
| 07:18.57 | Doranwen | I'm wary of trying to upgrade without someone physically here in case something goes wrong because the 'net for the house goes through this server--plus VoIP phone and all |
| 07:19.09 | Doranwen | and I don't know enough to fix those sorts of things on my own |
| 07:19.16 | ompaul | ssh keys with passwords are best but that means having to have your "home keys safe and practice safe computing" |
| 07:19.29 | fenugreek | Doranwen: well there's no way around it |
| 07:19.33 | fenugreek | Doranwen: you need a new ex-boyfriend |
| 07:19.36 | Doranwen | lol |
| 07:19.37 | Doranwen | yeah |
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| 07:19.42 | Doranwen | I have geeky friends but they live too far away |
| 07:19.43 | WormFood | Doranwen, it will probably be ok...if you upgrade and it breaks, you can call me and I'll walk you through it. |
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| 07:19.57 | fenugreek | Doranwen: make them remote in |
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| 07:20.08 | fenugreek | ah see WormFood'll walk you through |
| 07:20.17 | fenugreek | friends: 0; internet: 1; |
| 07:20.21 | Doranwen | lol |
| 07:20.23 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 07:20.38 | fenugreek | now if you don't mind, time for some alone time in the bedroom with my laptop, if you know what I mean |
| 07:20.49 | ompaul | TMI |
| 07:20.59 | WormFood | but I'm sure you'd want your VoIP working to call me, because I'm in China (seriously I'm in Shenzhen city, but I'm an american) |
| 07:21.04 | fenugreek | ompaul: get you rmind out of the gutter |
| 07:21.06 | fenugreek | solitaire! |
| 07:21.07 | ompaul | I'm eating me breakfat |
| 07:21.17 | fenugreek | WormFood: I don't believe you |
| 07:21.20 | ompaul | or something |
| 07:21.25 | fenugreek | WormFood: picofyouinchina, or GTFO! |
| 07:21.25 | WormFood | look up my IP |
| 07:21.31 | WormFood | ok |
| 07:21.40 | Doranwen | yeah, it runs through the server too, so that makes things tricky if the server is not working |
| 07:21.46 | kgoetz | tuv: no problem |
| 07:22.10 | Doranwen | changing the port sounds like something short enough to do tonight (upgrading will have to wait till another night, it's late enough here) |
| 07:22.12 | kgoetz | ompaul: morning :) |
| 07:22.18 | WormFood | Doranwen, actually I have a way you can call me for free (i'd pay for the call, but it would be dirt cheap, like voip....because it is voip) |
| 07:23.02 | ompaul | kgoetz: morning |
| 07:23.05 | Doranwen | well, tonight and tomorrow night won't work for me but I'll be back Sunday night probably |
| 07:23.25 | Doranwen | and I'm going to google right now and see if I can figure out how to change the port |
| 07:23.26 | fenugreek | WormFood: no no, I want a pic of you in front of a tank in the square |
| 07:23.46 | WormFood | hold on, let me fire up gimp |
| 07:23.51 | fenugreek | WormFood: wtf you have a mom?! |
| 07:23.54 | fenugreek | me, too |
| 07:24.00 | WormFood | yeah, and my mom is a programmer too |
| 07:24.04 | WormFood | top that! :P |
| 07:24.24 | inference | my mom is a train conductor |
| 07:24.32 | WormFood | seriously, my mom is a programmer...she took me to visit the computer room at her college in the late 1970s, and I was addicted to computers ever since. |
| 07:24.37 | fenugreek | oooh, you have a funny-to-westerners gallery, that's golden |
| 07:24.48 | fenugreek | in the 70s, wow |
| 07:24.52 | fenugreek | is she single? |
| 07:25.04 | WormFood | she learned to program on punched cards, it was that long ago (but she did keep her skills up to date, and was even in demand in 1999, because of her cobol skills) |
| 07:25.17 | WormFood | yes, she is single, but 62 years old now |
| 07:25.37 | fenugreek | yeah but I need a programmer who does laundry =) |
| 07:25.46 | fenugreek | =P |
| 07:26.00 | Doranwen | any recommendations on port range for ssh? anything it shouldn't be? |
| 07:26.12 | WormFood | hhhmmm...she does that too....which reminds me, I have clothes to hang out....BRB |
| 07:26.35 | WormFood | Doranwen, anything that is easy for you to remember, that is not in /etc/services |
| 07:26.41 | Doranwen | k |
| 07:26.44 | WormFood | I suggest you put it in the 5 digit range |
| 07:26.57 | Doranwen | okeydoke |
| 07:27.23 | Doranwen | there wouldn't be a prob if I put it one port after/before my torrent server, would there? |
| 07:27.32 | Doranwen | that would be easy to remember if it were close |
| 07:27.41 | WormFood | that shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:27.44 | Doranwen | works for me |
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| 07:27.52 | WormFood | of course, don't tell your torrent client to use that port ;) |
| 07:28.40 | Doranwen | lol of course not |
| 07:28.40 | fenugreek | also if your ISP decides to block your torrenting port... range |
| 07:28.52 | Doranwen | it hasn't done so yet |
| 07:28.58 | fenugreek | yeah that's impressive |
| 07:29.04 | fenugreek | who is your ISP? |
| 07:29.07 | Doranwen | Comcast |
| 07:29.10 | fenugreek | shudders |
| 07:29.16 | fenugreek | they probably just don't know how to spell 'range' |
| 07:29.16 | Doranwen | they just give us a 250 gig limit and say "don't go over" |
| 07:29.22 | fenugreek | ah |
| 07:29.24 | Doranwen | for total bandwidth in the month |
| 07:29.28 | fenugreek | hrmmm |
| 07:29.38 | Doranwen | drives me nuts, especially since these hackers are running up my bandwidth in their attempts to get in |
| 07:29.44 | fenugreek | how do you fare? |
| 07:29.46 | Doranwen | so I haven't been able to download hardly anything this month |
| 07:29.51 | fenugreek | ah |
| 07:29.53 | Doranwen | without hackers, I can live within that ok |
| 07:29.54 | fenugreek | what about before? |
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| 07:29.57 | fenugreek | mmm |
| 07:30.02 | fenugreek | and how much do they charge for that? |
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| 07:30.13 | Doranwen | I think around 50 bucks a month |
| 07:30.20 | Doranwen | is what our bill runs |
| 07:30.21 | WormDude | d'oh! lost power, and that killed my modem :( |
| 07:30.23 | WormDude | charge for what? |
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| 07:30.31 | Doranwen | Comcast, internet |
| 07:30.32 | fenugreek | for 250GB/month internet |
| 07:30.43 | kingsley | How would you purge two packages that are ignored by "dpkg --purge" after it complains about "error in Version string <version-that-starts-with-alpha-character> : version number does not start with digit"? |
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| 07:31.21 | WormFood | I think my internet here is less than $15 USD a month |
| 07:31.24 | valdyn | kingsley: why would you think that dpkg "ignores" a package? |
| 07:31.27 | fenugreek | WormFood: what's in shenzhen besides bad power? |
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| 07:31.48 | WormFood | more women than men...it is the only city in China that I know of where there are more women than men |
| 07:32.02 | fenugreek | WormFood: iiiiinteresting, why |
| 07:32.09 | fenugreek | are there tall women? |
| 07:32.14 | WormFood | also, it is a hopping city...Shenzhen is the only city in China, other than Shanghai with their own stock exchange. |
| 07:32.15 | fenugreek | makes super interested hopeful face |
| 07:32.28 | kingsley | dpkg also complains with " warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 4955 package <package-name>". |
| 07:32.28 | dpkg | kingsley: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 07:32.36 | WormFood | many women come here to work in the factories, to make cheap shit for you foreigners :P |
| 07:32.45 | kingsley | Oops |
| 07:32.48 | xingu | WormFood: hongers and taipei? :) |
| 07:32.51 | fenugreek | kingsley: don't mind that =P |
| 07:32.57 | fenugreek | WormFood: awesome |
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| 07:33.06 | fenugreek | WormFood: so our oppressive market is actually making men in china happy |
| 07:33.19 | WormFood | also headquarters for many big companies are here. Just today I went by headquarters for ZTE and Lenovo |
| 07:33.23 | kingsley | valdyn: I think dpkg ignored the package because is has an invalid version and wasn't purged. |
| 07:33.30 | fenugreek | ah |
| 07:33.42 | WormFood | headquarters for Wal-Mart China, is also here...the ipad and iphone and tons of crap are made here |
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| 07:33.53 | valdyn | kingsley: whats that packages state now? |
| 07:33.54 | fenugreek | it's the slightly-smaller-has-cheaper-land-for-an-hq-city-that's-near-another-big-city city |
| 07:33.57 | WormFood | honestly, you can get good stuff made here....but it ain't free |
| 07:34.17 | WormFood | Shenzhen is a special economic zone, so things are different here compared to other cities. |
| 07:34.20 | entel | the "cheap stuff" eh? |
| 07:34.24 | WormFood | also, it is on the border with Hong Kong |
| 07:35.06 | WormFood | at my old apartment, I used to walk to HK, I was that close to the border (I miss my old apartment) http://wormfood.net/pictures/sunrise2.jpg this is the view from my old apartment, HK is across the bay |
| 07:35.36 | WormFood | now I live in High-tech park...I can actually see a "Microsoft" sign from my balcony now :( |
| 07:36.06 | kingsley | valdyn: "dpkg -l" says "in", which evidently means Desired="Install" and Status="Inst". |
| 07:36.20 | kingsley | valdyn: Did I answer your question? |
| 07:36.34 | valdyn | kingsley: yea, you will have to fix your status file manually |
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| 07:37.12 | jelly-home | kingsley: status=Not installed |
| 07:37.20 | Doranwen | ok, I switched the port successfully, restarted ssh (took a bit to figure out which command to use--there's half a dozen different ones pages were suggesting) . . . and now I'm trying to figure out how to log in via sFTP again--I use Filezilla to access the torrents and transfer files in shared folders between my computer and others |
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| 07:37.39 | WormFood | there should be a place to tell it what port to use |
| 07:37.51 | Doranwen | oh, hold on |
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| 07:37.54 | Doranwen | I was trying the quickconnect bar |
| 07:37.56 | valdyn | kingsley: you can change the state of that packages, or remove the entry for that package entirely, and you need to remove traces of that package from your system manually |
| 07:37.57 | Doranwen | I don't think that will work now |
| 07:38.04 | Doranwen | I'm going to actually add something in the site manager |
| 07:38.08 | Doranwen | and I think then I can tell it what protocol |
| 07:38.19 | WormFood | actually met a 16 year old girl who runs Linux (now she is probably about 21) |
| 07:38.26 | valdyn | kingsley: and obviously you need to fix up the version string |
| 07:38.50 | WormFood | Doranwen, I'm sure you can figure it out...I have confidence in you ;) |
| 07:39.05 | kingsley | valdyn: I'm open to editing the status file, and I've considered simply giving the package an imaginary version number that begins with the required digit. However, I'm worried about inconsistency between /var/lib/dpkg/status and other files. What do you think? |
| 07:39.23 | valdyn | kingsley: what other files? |
| 07:39.33 | Doranwen | WormFood: thanks, yeah, that worked--should've just tried that before going "help!" |
| 07:39.35 | Doranwen | lol |
| 07:40.04 | WormFood | yeah, it is a common response |
| 07:40.27 | Doranwen | I'm probably just tired--normally I try a bit more |
| 07:40.37 | WormFood | Doranwen, you may want to run a network sniffer, or something to see what exactly the "bad guys" are doing. |
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| 07:40.43 | Doranwen | I would love to know |
| 07:40.47 | kingsley | valdyn: You ask a reasonable question that I do not have an answer for. |
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| 07:41.06 | Doranwen | is that something that would take a long time to set up? I can't stay up too much more tonight |
| 07:41.10 | Doranwen | but I can come back another day |
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| 07:41.23 | WormFood | I think there are some firewall setups that will report what people are trying to connect to, but not sure |
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| 07:41.45 | WormFood | if you're directly on the internet, then wireshark should do the trick (or something else) |
| 07:41.49 | valdyn | kingsley: giving a new version might get in the way of upgrades when the actual new version from debian is lower |
| 07:42.02 | WormFood | Doranwen, that should be pretty easy to do....making sense of the data is another story |
| 07:42.08 | Doranwen | lol yeah |
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| 07:42.31 | WormFood | Doranwen, good luck. Come back, and I'm sure someone would help you out. |
| 07:42.34 | Doranwen | all righty |
| 07:42.41 | WormFood | Doranwen, have a good night. |
| 07:42.44 | Doranwen | thanks muchly for the help and all :) |
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| 07:44.50 | kingsley | valdyn: Yes, but I didn't mention that the package is kernel-image-2.4.18, so maybe we agree that it'd be surprising if a new version of it appeared. |
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| 07:45.01 | valdyn | kingsley: yea |
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| 07:45.56 | kingsley | valdyn: What would you think of my giving the package a fake but compliant version number in /var/lib/dpkg/status, and trying "dpkg --purge" again. |
| 07:46.05 | kingsley | s/./?/ |
| 07:46.10 | valdyn | kingsley: go ahead |
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| 07:47.08 | kingsley | jelly-home: Yes, I agree with your correction. Thank you. |
| 07:47.41 | kingsley | valdyn: Do you happen to have an opinion on whether it'll work or go "kaboom"? |
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| 07:47.56 | valdyn | kingsley: theres no risk |
| 07:48.24 | kingsley | valdyn: "no" risk??? |
| 07:48.30 | valdyn | kingsley: yea |
| 07:48.44 | valdyn | kingsley: the packages and conffile list is elsewhere |
| 07:48.55 | valdyn | kingsley: mess with those list and you can create a nice kaboom |
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| 07:49.47 | kingsley | valdyn: Your explanation seems plausible, and is consistent with my understanding, but I hope we're not overlooking some version cross-checking. |
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| 07:52.58 | jelly-home | there is none |
| 07:53.38 | kingsley | valdyn: Well, I did it, and nothing has gone "kaboom" yet. |
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| 07:56.17 | jelly-home | I had to mess with, don't remember, either status or available, to shut dpkg up about my old "jelly.1" kernels |
| 07:56.59 | jelly-home | just added a 0 in front |
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| 07:58.13 | kingsley | jelly: That's reassuring. |
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| 08:00.11 | aminpy | how can I upgrade bzr 2.1.2 to latest version in debian squeeze? |
| 08:00.27 | wols_ | !tell aminpy about backport |
| 08:01.09 | jelly-home | ,versions bzr |
| 08:01.10 | judd | Package bzr on i386 -- lenny: 1.5-1.1; lenny-backports: 2.0.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.1.2-1; wheezy: 2.3.1-2; sid: 2.4.0~beta2-3; sid: 2.4.0~beta4-2; sid: 2.4.0~beta5-3 |
| 08:01.27 | jelly-home | soo many sid versions |
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| 08:09.43 | daGrevis | Good morning! I have little problem... I just installed Debian, but there are no wireless at all. I guess I need to manuallt install it. But how? |
| 08:10.27 | ompaul | daGrevis: you have wire? |
| 08:10.39 | daGrevis | No. |
| 08:10.54 | ompaul | you have usb or cd to burn to? |
| 08:11.09 | daGrevis | ompaul,sure. I have usb stick. |
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| 08:12.43 | ompaul | daGrevis: go to packages.debian.org and search for firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 08:13.14 | ompaul | daGrevis: copy to desktop become root and dpkg -i firmware-linux-nonfree after that try your radio again |
| 08:13.27 | ompaul | or wireless to use the old word for it ;-) |
| 08:13.51 | daGrevis | thanks. gonna try |
| 08:14.04 | ompaul | you might want to reboot after that |
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| 08:14.13 | ompaul | for modules to be found on boot etc |
| 08:14.31 | ompaul | though there are ways to make it shorter but I like blunt tools |
| 08:14.47 | daGrevis | I will just reboot. im not so pro anyway. |
| 08:15.04 | daGrevis | I think that you speaked about this http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree, right? |
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| 08:15.07 | babilen | daGrevis: Could you give us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please? |
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| 08:16.05 | Bhavicp | Hi, i just installed a new disk (without rebooting), and i've partitioned the drive using fdisk/cfdisk, and i get "/dev/sdd1 1 243201 1953512001 ee GPT" But when doing mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdd1, i get Could not stat /dev/sdd1 --- No such file or directory |
| 08:16.05 | Bhavicp | The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? |
| 08:16.21 | daGrevis | babilen, sure. But i want you guys to know that my wireless have non-standart drivers. i did install and get it to work on ubuntu, so i will get it to work in debian too. i have linksys wusb600n v2. Still need that output? |
| 08:16.24 | Bhavicp | Would anyone know how i could fiix this? |
| 08:17.02 | babilen | daGrevis: Ah, can you give me the pciid (the things in [..] at the end) |
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| 08:17.41 | daGrevis | babilen, I dont understand. |
| 08:19.10 | babilen | daGrevis: That line should look like, for example, "03:00.0 Network ..... Connection [8086:4227]" -- I want you to give me the "8086:4227" in the end ... |
| 08:19.33 | daGrevis | ohh, k |
| 08:19.38 | daGrevis | give me a second |
| 08:19.42 | babilen | sure |
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| 08:20.44 | devil | Bhavicp: does fdisk -l see the device? |
| 08:21.07 | babilen | !wusb600n |
| 08:21.07 | dpkg | The WUSB600N "Linksys Dual-Band Wireless-N USB Network Adapter" is an 802.11 draft-n device by Cisco. For support of version 1 (USB ID 1737:0071, Ralink RT2870 chipset), ask me about <rt2870>. For support of version 2 (USB ID 1737:0079, Ralink RT3572 chipset), ask me about <rt2800usb> (linux-2.6 2.6.39-2 or later required). |
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| 08:23.57 | babilen | daGrevis: This is going to be a bit more complicated -- Ethernet is really not an option? |
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| 08:29.05 | daGrevis | babilen, Im back. No. I need to do it without network. |
| 08:29.57 | daGrevis | babilen, I have another problem. My usb stick just died. :D It says: 'unable to mount' or something. Wtf?! |
| 08:30.31 | babilen | Does it use NTFS as filesystem? |
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| 08:32.13 | Bhavicp | devil: Yes it does, i even rebooted right now, and still mkfs complains. |
| 08:32.22 | Bhavicp | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.23 | daGrevis | babilen, I used it to install debian before. After that I formatted it using Windows to Fat (or fat32), dunno. They put in Debian, but it says that error. I tried to format it from there - it dos format. Anyway, it say that error even after format. Then I tried to mount point (or something, really dunno) - it says that its unable to do it and suggests to type ´dmesg | tail´. do u need that output? |
| 08:32.25 | Bhavicp | /dev/sdd1 1 243201 1953512001 ee GPT |
| 08:33.53 | devil | Bhavicp: i put ext4 on a GPT partition the other day and it went flawless. |
| 08:34.08 | babilen | daGrevis: Well, it would certainly help, but it is a lot of work to type all that. Ok, here is my suggestion: I don't have 2 hours right now to walk you through this. I will therefore explain what you have to do and you can try that. OK? |
| 08:34.23 | devil | Bhavicp: but that was on sid. no idea how GPT works on older package versions. |
| 08:35.02 | daGrevis | babilen, okay, sure. ;) any help would be helpful. |
| 08:35.18 | babilen | daGrevis: Please plug in the stick and run "dmesg|tail -23" -- Are there any obvious error messages? --- And there really is absollutely *no* way to use ethernet? Doesn't the machine have ethernet? |
| 08:36.00 | daGrevis | babilen, the only way is to get my computer downstairs and plug it there. |
| 08:36.14 | daGrevis | as temp solution. |
| 08:36.22 | babilen | daGrevis: Well, that doesn't sound too bad, does it? |
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| 08:36.51 | daGrevis | it gonna look funny.okay. but then i will have no network here. |
| 08:36.53 | daGrevis | im downstairs. |
| 08:37.03 | daGrevis | i need to know what to do before i do it. |
| 08:38.52 | babilen | daGrevis: Ok, It does not really matter how you do but there are a few steps. Whenever I use <foo> you can message our bot here (/msg dpkg foo) and it will tell you more about "foo". |
| 08:39.30 | daGrevis | dpkg cd |
| 08:39.30 | dpkg | from memory, cd is a Compact-Disc, something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory. To download Debian CD images, ask me about <iso>. To buy Debian CDs, ask me about <vendors>. |
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| 08:39.43 | daGrevis | change dir? |
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| 08:40.16 | sauvin | cd is the command to change directories at a command line, yes. |
| 08:40.34 | daGrevis | babilen, when I will put my debian computer into ethernet... it will have internet without any drivers, right? |
| 08:40.36 | babilen | daGrevis: You want to use "/msg dpkg foo" -- You are really new to linux? |
| 08:40.48 | babilen | daGrevis: That is what I hope, yes :) |
| 08:41.08 | babilen | daGrevis: If you want to make sure, run "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" and give me the pciid |
| 08:41.17 | babilen | daGrevis: Do you use amd64 or i386? |
| 08:41.31 | daGrevis | babilen, kinda. i new basics commands and i just started to read Ãnux Biblé´ xD |
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| 08:41.40 | daGrevis | babilen, i386. |
| 08:41.53 | daGrevis | *know not new |
| 08:41.59 | babilen | daGrevis: Ok, thank you. I will not type the story and you'll read that :) |
| 08:42.53 | Bhavicp | Hm ok, devil. We had the previous drive on there with GPT/EXT4 as well, but it was failing so we JUST replaced it (hotswap). |
| 08:43.04 | Bhavicp | And theres 3 other same drives with the same setup. |
| 08:43.15 | Bhavicp | Thou, those were setup during the intial Deb install. Not through the CLI later. |
| 08:44.00 | Bhavicp | It's weird.. |
| 08:44.11 | babilen | daGrevis: sorry, brb (5min) |
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| 08:53.32 | babilen | daGrevis: Ok, I take it that you have no idea what I am talking about when I say sources.list or how to use an editor as root or is that fine? |
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| 08:54.57 | fleischergesell | babilen: Is there a difference between how to an editor as root or as unpriviliged user? ;-) |
| 08:55.30 | babilen | fleischergesell: Well, one more step. But yeah, there really isn't :) |
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| 08:57.42 | Bhavicp | devil: I remade the partition using parted, and that seemed to fix the problem. |
| 08:57.53 | Bhavicp | fdisk/cfdisk doesn't seem to work for it. |
| 08:57.55 | babilen | daGrevis: 1. Install a new kernel: You need to get a new kernel from <sid>. To install that download linux-base, linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae and initramfs-tools from http://packages.debian.org. You can find that by searching for the <unstable> versions. |
| 08:58.04 | Bhavicp | Which i should've known |
| 08:58.21 | devil | Bhavicp: hm, but you said you used the same fdsik/cfdisk version with GPT before? |
| 08:58.29 | babilen | daGrevis: You want: http://packages.debian.org/sid/initramfs-tools http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae and http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-base |
| 08:58.35 | devil | Bhavicp: and btw: there is also gdisk :) |
| 08:59.02 | Bhavicp | Devil: No i didn't use fdisk to make the partitions, just view! - The partitions were made during the intial deb install. |
| 08:59.07 | Bhavicp | Ahok. |
| 08:59.08 | Bhavicp | Thanks1 |
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| 08:59.34 | devil | Bhavicp: ah, got it now |
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| 08:59.54 | babilen | daGrevis: For your wireless device to work you also need firmware or rather the firmware-ralink package. http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-ralink |
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| 09:02.06 | babilen | daGrevis: Once you've downloaded all of them you install them *all* with "dpkg -i *.deb" in the directory to which you downloaded them. You can change directories with cd, but you probably want to read the <general cli tutorial> and Debian's <reference>. If you, for example, downloaded them to ~/Download you can install them with "cd ~/Download" + "dpkg -i *.deb" (as root - "su" + root password to become root) |
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| 09:03.31 | daGrevis | babilen, thanks. i knew that. do u really think that i need to install new, unstable kernel? |
| 09:03.35 | babilen | daGrevis: That installation should return without errors, assuming that I have not forgotten one of the dependencies. If you get complains about a missing package you download that package from sid and install it with "dpkg -i name_of_the_package.deb" too. Once that is done you should be able to reboot and use the new kernel. |
| 09:03.45 | babilen | daGrevis: Yes, I am absolutely sure about that. |
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| 09:05.14 | babilen | daGrevis: Another way to achieve that would be to set the <default release> to "squeeze" in your /etc/apt/sources.list and add a <deb-src> line for sid to the sources.list too. The deb-src line could for example look like "deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 09:06.24 | Kharec | lo |
| 09:06.29 | daGrevis | babilen, but wait. i just installed newset 6.0.2 (i guess that 2). isnt that hacve all newest? |
| 09:06.37 | babilen | daGrevis: You probably want to replace "uk" with the country code of the country you live in. Once you have done that you can run "apt-get update" and "apt-get -t sid install linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae" to install the new kernel and its dependencies. |
| 09:07.42 | babilen | daGrevis: That is the <stable> version of Debian, which does not necessarily have the absolutely newest version of packages. Stable basically means that the versions are not changing at all, but that you only get fixes for security related or grave bugs. |
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| 09:08.44 | daGrevis | babilen, |
| 09:08.59 | daGrevis | i will now unplug this computer from network. |
| 09:09.22 | babilen | daGrevis: The second approach has the disadvantage, that you might not know how to edit your sources.list and all that, but has the tantalising aspect that you don't have to take care of the dependencies yourself. |
| 09:09.23 | daGrevis | can i chat with you here? I made chat for accidents like this. http://dagrevis.lv/playground/screameria/ |
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| 09:10.32 | babilen | daGrevis: No, I would prefer to do this on IRC. Could you run "dpkg -l xchat" and let me know what the first two letters are? |
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| 09:11.01 | babilen | daGrevis: You can also use freenode's webchat -- http://webchat.freenode.net/ |
| 09:11.27 | daGrevis | okay, i failed. i thought that i will not have irc because i have no computer except debian with internet. m rea;;y stupid. ;D k |
| 09:11.29 | daGrevis | k |
| 09:11.44 | Miesco | On my USB hdd that is ntfs, I'm getting i/o errors with these files, I know that ntfs will do that if the file has certain characters in the name |
| 09:11.51 | Miesco | I can't delete them |
| 09:12.32 | deepa | rename it then? |
| 09:12.35 | ZykoticK9 | On some fresh installs my aptitude doesn't currently have command line completion (TAB) for install/update/etc. or for package names. Am I missing a package, or is this simply not configured properly? |
| 09:12.41 | deepa | what error do you get when you try to delete it? |
| 09:13.00 | Miesco | rm: cannot remove `Shinseiki Evangelion - 03v2 - A Transfer The Phone That Never Rings [zx](10A8E332).mkv': Input/output error |
| 09:13.24 | deepa | I don't see any disallowed characters in that name |
| 09:13.37 | babilen | daGrevis: Ok, is what you have to do more or less clear? |
| 09:13.40 | Miesco | I dont know why its giving an error |
| 09:13.59 | deepa | bad disk? |
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| 09:14.37 | deepa | Can you do a chkdsk from a windows machine on the disk? |
| 09:14.52 | Miesco | Yea |
| 09:15.39 | deepa | that might give a hint or possibly solve the problem itself |
| 09:15.43 | daGrevis | babilen, yes. kinda |
| 09:15.48 | daGrevis | i will give it a hot right now |
| 09:15.54 | daGrevis | *shot :D |
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| 09:17.17 | TBotNik | All: Trying to set up inet bridging and using HOWTO: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces I have to reverse the configs as I get my inet signal via wlan0. I've written up my attempts on this at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11076068#post11076068 and I need a review of the changes to my /etc/network/interfaces file before restarting my network. Anyone up to that? |
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| 09:18.41 | simonlnu | ask #ubuntu or #netfilter |
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| 09:20.53 | ZykoticK9 | The "bash-completion" package was not installed, working now. |
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| 09:30.24 | Polysics | hello |
| 09:30.27 | Polysics | my sudo is broken |
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| 09:30.38 | Kharec | ouch |
| 09:30.43 | Polysics | i didn't configure sudo o nthis machine though |
| 09:30.52 | Polysics | i do not have eg. ldconfig on the path |
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| 09:31.24 | Polysics | i would say i simply do not have /usr/sbin on the path when i sudo |
| 09:31.30 | Polysics | where can that be fixed? |
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| 09:33.11 | subuser | sudoers? |
| 09:33.28 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.42 | cahoot | err .bash_profile |
| 09:34.16 | th0r | Polysics: you are correct, /usr/sbin is not in the path for a normal user |
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| 09:34.38 | Polysics | th0r, so it is correct than when i sudo i do not see those? |
| 09:34.46 | Polysics | ok, i was jsut worried it was wrong |
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| 09:35.45 | th0r | Polysics: that is correct. You can access them by using the full path/filename when using sudo. Programs in /usr/sbin are usually reserved for root, and are not intended for normal users. |
| 09:36.29 | Polysics | good for me as long as now i know :-D |
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| 09:37.16 | hyper_ch | hi there, is there a simple way to create a debian usb install pendrive? |
| 09:37.27 | th0r | Polysics: that is also the reason to use 'su -' instead of just 'su'. The '-' sets up the environment properly and among other things includes /usr/sbin in the path |
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| 09:40.55 | sickgut | hyper_ch the debian live thing is the way |
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| 09:41.20 | hyper_ch | sickgut: I want to install from a usb pendrive to a harddisk |
| 09:41.24 | hyper_ch | can the live thing do that? |
| 09:41.28 | sickgut | yes |
| 09:41.40 | hyper_ch | will it allow advanced setups with encryption and lvm? |
| 09:41.45 | sickgut | yes |
| 09:41.50 | hyper_ch | then I'll try it :) thx |
| 09:41.55 | sickgut | and at the end you choose normal or live install |
| 09:41.56 | sickgut | but |
| 09:42.08 | sickgut | there is a program i use called lili |
| 09:42.10 | hyper_ch | I don't like "but"s |
| 09:42.28 | sickgut | i get the debian live iso's then i run the lili program to set it up on a usb stick |
| 09:42.57 | hyper_ch | ok, thx |
| 09:42.59 | sickgut | let me get the website |
| 09:43.21 | amphi | hyper_ch: the install guide explains how to create a usb stick netinstall |
| 09:43.25 | hyper_ch | I really should setup a pendrive that can boot/install various distros :) |
| 09:43.51 | hyper_ch | debian/kubuntu/nixos... all on one drive to install from would be nice |
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| 09:44.01 | sickgut | www.linuxliveusb.com/ |
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| 09:44.46 | sickgut | you can just use dd to image a usb stick with a hybrid iso but it never boots for me |
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| 09:45.01 | sickgut | i use the program at that site and it works fine |
| 09:45.02 | hyper_ch | sickgut: bootmarked, thx |
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| 09:46.09 | Bushmills | now see whether you can book from it :) |
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| 09:49.11 | daGrevis | babilen: Hi. I just connetcted my Debian computer to internet.. but it doesn't work. |
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| 09:49.24 | daGrevis | Do I need some specific configuration? |
| 09:49.45 | simonlnu | usually |
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| 09:49.52 | Bushmills | how can't it work if you connected to it? |
| 09:50.21 | Bushmills | and, why do you connect it when it doesn't work? |
| 09:50.22 | daGrevis | Bushmills: I plugged my network wire into computer, but it just ignores it. no response at all. |
| 09:50.38 | Bushmills | response to what? |
| 09:50.38 | daGrevis | It does work on other computers. |
| 09:50.54 | daGrevis | To that I plugged in the computer internet wire, |
| 09:50.59 | Bushmills | to plugging in, it should pop a speech bubble, saying "thank you"? |
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| 09:51.41 | Bushmills | "it" does work - plugging in, that is? |
| 09:51.43 | devil | :) |
| 09:51.46 | daGrevis | I thought so. Atleast something. Anyway, when trying to access anything with my broswer it says: unable to load the oage. |
| 09:52.57 | Bushmills | commonly, people try to ping a new box in a network |
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| 09:53.14 | Bushmills | if that qualifies as "anything" |
| 09:53.17 | daGrevis | Bushmills: Im new to Linux. Can you help me? |
| 09:53.33 | Bushmills | from how you describe your problem, i'm afraid no |
| 09:53.38 | Night-hacks | hi |
| 09:53.43 | Night-hacks | i see odd behavior in my machine each month |
| 09:53.52 | Night-hacks | my ram becomes full while im doing what i do every day |
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| 09:54.16 | Night-hacks | and "top" says nothing Odd |
| 09:54.20 | nkuttler | !tell Night-hacks about free ram |
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| 09:56.55 | daGrevis | Bushmills: It says: GConf Error: Failed to contact cinfig server; misconfigured D-Bus session bus deamon. |
| 09:56.58 | Night-hacks | now its swapping ! |
| 09:57.19 | Bushmills | daGrevis: that's not related to network connectivity |
| 09:58.07 | daGrevis | Bushmills: Okay. But how to enable network? U see, on Windows I just needed to put the wire in and it works. What additional do I need to do on Debian? I really dont know. |
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| 09:58.41 | Bushmills | daGrevis: try, as root, dhclient eth0 or dhclient eth1 |
| 09:59.06 | Bushmills | if that works, set up your interfaces file |
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| 09:59.10 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 09:59.10 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 09:59.59 | cahoot | one wonders what kind of nic it is |
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| 10:00.08 | daGrevis | Bushmills: failed to get attributes of /etc/resolv.conf: no such file or dir |
| 10:00.23 | Bushmills | how did you install debian? |
| 10:00.52 | daGrevis | Bushmills: I install it on my USB and did standard install. |
| 10:01.09 | Bushmills | "it"? |
| 10:01.15 | daGrevis | debian 6.0.2, i386m cd1 |
| 10:01.41 | Bushmills | check, with ifconfig, whether you have an interface up and configured now |
| 10:02.36 | daGrevis | Bushmills: wow, it works now. |
| 10:02.37 | Bushmills | ehm - an interface other than "lo" . something like eth1 or such |
| 10:02.46 | daGrevis | eth0 works |
| 10:03.12 | Bushmills | good. now the interfaces, as the factoid told you abou |
| 10:03.12 | daGrevis | thanks :) |
| 10:03.25 | Bushmills | that's for having network start automatically during boot |
| 10:04.14 | daGrevis | Give me 10 minutes. |
| 10:04.48 | Bushmills | hands daGrevis 10 minutes, wrapped in green presentation paper |
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| 10:05.40 | Bushmills | !give daGrevis 10 minutes |
| 10:05.40 | dpkg | gives daGrevis 10 minutes |
| 10:05.40 | Seth_Hikaru__ | gives daGrevis a bale of hay |
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| 10:10.50 | daGrevis | Bushmills: I think that I dont need to make that eth0 load always when computer is turned on. I need it only for today. |
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| 10:14.57 | daGrevis | dpkg linux-base |
| 10:14.57 | dpkg | daGrevis: i haven't a clue |
| 10:15.16 | daGrevis | How to get version info of current linux-base? |
| 10:15.25 | mallery | Anyone could tell if ssh key-exchange is encrypted? and how? |
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| 10:16.41 | Bushmills | mallery: keys are not exchanged, when authenticating a ssh client to ssh server |
| 10:16.49 | TBotNik | All: Need to setup eth0 with dhcp3-server to run local network. Who knows how? on Ubuntu 10.04 box, no one responding from Ubuntu channel. |
| 10:17.07 | mallery | Bushmills: but there is a password authentification ... |
| 10:17.19 | mallery | ... okayy.... that's no key exchange .. ;)( |
| 10:17.20 | Bushmills | mallery: for installing a public key on a server, it's on you how to transfer it. but public keys are not that sensitive when transferring |
| 10:17.27 | th0r | TBotNik: someone just answered you in ubuntu |
| 10:17.58 | Bushmills | mallery: server essentially encrypts a random number, sends it to clients, ask it to decrypt it. |
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| 10:18.14 | mallery | Bushmills: e.g. when I login over ssh, is my server-login-password encrypted ? |
| 10:18.17 | Bushmills | if client is able to do so, public and private keys match |
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| 10:18.52 | mallery | this is the process how the login password is encrypted ? |
| 10:19.04 | Bushmills | no, that's for public key authentication |
| 10:19.11 | mallery | and private key ? |
| 10:19.15 | mallery | bash login |
| 10:19.25 | mallery | over ssh |
| 10:19.46 | kakazza | Hello. I am currently on Debian lenny on a virtual server. I am trying to install "ia32-libs" but this happens when I want to install them: https://gist.github.com/1101269 |
| 10:19.50 | Bushmills | public key auth requires client to have the private key |
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| 10:20.25 | mallery | Bushmills: how does it require it ..? |
| 10:20.29 | kakazza | It seems like a bad tradeoff that I have to remove 50 packages, including build-essentials, binutils, gcc,... just to install ia32-libs |
| 10:20.31 | TBotNik | th0r: See him, thanks! |
| 10:20.39 | Bushmills | by not being able to authenticate without it |
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| 10:20.48 | mallery | Bushmills: so the public key is depending on the private key ? |
| 10:20.50 | wols_ | Bushmills: you should really read about public key encryption first before asking this question |
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| 10:21.02 | Bushmills | mallery: yes |
| 10:21.09 | wols_ | sorry, mallery should, not you Bushmills |
| 10:21.23 | Bushmills | i assumed that much |
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| 10:21.41 | mallery | wols_: I know about public key enc, rsa, gamal ... |
| 10:22.11 | wols_ | mallery: no you don't :) |
| 10:22.27 | mallery | sure ... |
| 10:22.37 | mallery | what would you like to tell me ;) |
| 10:22.45 | mallery | about it. |
| 10:22.49 | wols_ | mallery: someone who has to ask this: < mallery> Bushmills: so the public key is depending on the private key ? has no clue whatsoever about PKI |
| 10:23.06 | wols_ | mallery: nothing cause this is not the place for it. ask wikipedia or read a book about it |
| 10:23.24 | mallery | I didn't mean the private key of public key encryption there ... |
| 10:23.46 | mallery | I meant the private key of the symmetric encryption of bash login |
| 10:24.08 | wols_ | mallery: stop digging |
| 10:24.47 | mallery | foo |
| 10:24.56 | mallery | bar |
| 10:25.51 | mallery | Bushmills: so this means, the public key of the publ-key-enc of ssh is generated related to the login-user, right ? |
| 10:25.54 | daGrevis | dpkg |
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| 10:27.22 | babilen | daGrevis: I made a small mistake earlier. Are you trying to download the packages directly or do you plan to follow the default release way? If the latter you don't want a deb-src line, but a deb one. (just replace deb-src with deb in the line I gave you + new country code if you are not in the UK). Sorry about that. |
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| 10:28.31 | daGrevis | babilen: I just did `pkg -i *.deb` on files that I downloaded. I didn't download wireless firmware as you suggested, because its not correct version for my device. |
| 10:28.44 | daGrevis | *dpkg |
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| 10:29.31 | babilen | daGrevis: The firmware-ralink package? How do you know that it is not the correct version? Which one do you need? |
| 10:29.45 | wols_ | daGrevis: but without firmware it won't work. so somewhere you have to get the firmware from, no way around that |
| 10:30.22 | Bushmills | mallery: that's right |
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| 10:32.31 | mallery | Bushmills: so the username is sent to server in plaintext ? |
| 10:32.48 | Bushmills | no. |
| 10:32.48 | daGrevis | babilen , wols_ : I have wusb600n v2. V2! To get it work... i need to do like this... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Linksys WUSB600N |
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| 10:33.38 | daGrevis | You see, I need rt3572sta. Its not in that Debian package. |
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| 10:34.33 | devil | daGrevis: you need at least kernel 2.6.39-2 |
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| 10:34.44 | devil | !rt2800usb |
| 10:34.44 | dpkg | Ralink 802.11n/g USB chipsets (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) are supported by the rt2x00 project's rt2800usb driver, included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.31. Experimental support for RT3370 and RT3572 was enabled at linux-2.6 2.6.38-5; see also <rt5370>. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb . For the vendor driver, ask me about <rt2870sta>. |
| 10:34.58 | babilen | devil: We've installed that hopefully. Didn't we daGrevis? |
| 10:34.59 | devil | daGrevis: ^ |
| 10:35.06 | babilen | devil: sry |
| 10:35.06 | daGrevis | I hace linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae . |
| 10:35.07 | devil | babilen: oh, ok :) |
| 10:35.08 | daGrevis | *have |
| 10:35.15 | daGrevis | Its okay? |
| 10:35.17 | babilen | yes |
| 10:36.14 | daGrevis | In other words, i installed unstable linux-base, linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae and initramfs-tools . I didn't install anything else. What's next? |
| 10:36.16 | devil | daGrevis: so, firmware-ralink does not work? |
| 10:36.26 | babilen | daGrevis: AFAICT the 2870 firmware is in the firmware-ralink package from sid. Have you tried to install that package? |
| 10:37.24 | daGrevis | babilen: No. I didn't see rt3572sta there. I think that it aint work. Can't I just install corect driver from http://www.ralink.com.tw/support.php?s=2 and compile it? |
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| 10:37.42 | babilen | daGrevis: Forget the sta module -- We are using rt2800usb |
| 10:38.17 | devil | daGrevis: sta == grief, usualy |
| 10:38.23 | daGrevis | babilen: I really have no idea what you are talking about. sorry. Can you tell me what I need to do to get it all working? |
| 10:38.32 | devil | so, sta only if nothing else works |
| 10:38.44 | babilen | daGrevis: Could you *please* install the firmware-ralink firmware and run "modprobe -r rt2800usb ; modprobe rt2800usb ; dmesg|tail -23" and "ifconfig -a ; iwconfig" and paste the result to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 10:39.03 | daGrevis | babilen: ye, sure. If you think that it gonna work. |
| 10:39.27 | daGrevis | do I need to reboot my computer before? i just installed those three other things. |
| 10:39.49 | devil | you want to boot into the new kernel, yes |
| 10:40.14 | daGrevis | babilen , devil : brb |
| 10:40.15 | babilen | daGrevis: You installed the kernel, but you are not currently running it? |
| 10:40.17 | babilen | k |
| 10:40.22 | babilen | daGrevis: hang on |
| 10:40.34 | babilen | daGrevis: Please install the firmware-ralink package first |
| 10:40.40 | devil | one could install the driver and reboot then |
| 10:41.04 | daGrevis | babilen: but im on old kernel now. its still okay? |
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| 10:41.17 | babilen | yes |
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| 10:44.17 | daGrevis | babilen: okay. i think i did it. can u recheck? http://paste.debian.net/123873 |
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| 10:46.02 | babilen | daGrevis: You don't have to reinstall all .debs every time you install a new .deb. Just run "dpkg -i name_of_the_package.deb". Can you give me the pciid at the end of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" please? |
| 10:46.23 | babilen | Or just paste "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i ethernet" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:47.05 | daGrevis | babilen: no, u didnt understood. :D I did not reboot. I showed how i installed those 4 packages. I want to be extra sure that I do all correct. now im going to reboot. |
| 10:47.50 | babilen | daGrevis: No, wait |
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| 10:48.02 | babilen | daGrevis: Can you please show me the output? |
| 10:48.31 | daGrevis | of that, okay. but i dont think that it will give me anyhting useful because i didnt reboot. |
| 10:48.49 | babilen | daGrevis: Don't make assumptions please :) |
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| 10:49.01 | daGrevis | lol, okay. |
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| 10:50.45 | daGrevis | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/123874/ |
| 10:51.03 | daGrevis | babilen: also, i have **not** plugged in my wireless stick. |
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| 10:52.20 | babilen | daGrevis: Ok, you can reboot now. |
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| 10:52.44 | daGrevis | babilen: as you wish. ) |
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| 10:57.47 | daGrevis | babilen: I'm back. What's next? |
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| 10:58.26 | babilen | daGrevis: Run "ifconfig -a ; iwconfig" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:59.05 | daGrevis | babilen: with ';' u meant new line, ye? |
| 11:00.16 | daGrevis | babilen: iwconfig: command not found |
| 11:00.51 | babilen | daGrevis: Run that as root -- It doesn't matter if you make that two commands or just one. |
| 11:01.28 | daGrevis | babilen: I did it as root. It says, that 'iwconfig: command not found'. |
| 11:01.31 | devil | daGrevis: install wireless-tools |
| 11:01.36 | babilen | ^^^^^ |
| 11:02.21 | daGrevis | little stupid, but how? devil I should go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and search for it? unstable/stable? |
| 11:02.50 | wols_ | daGrevis: from which debian ISO did you install? |
| 11:03.12 | babilen | daGrevis: You are online with that box right now aren't you? If so just run "apt-get install wireless-tools" as this might just work. How did you install? Which ISO did you use? |
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| 11:03.32 | daGrevis | Witch ISO I used when I install Debian? |
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| 11:04.22 | daGrevis | babilen , wols_ : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/ , cd-1 |
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| 11:04.43 | daGrevis | i gonna install that wireless-tolls |
| 11:04.45 | daGrevis | *tools |
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| 11:05.59 | wols_ | daGrevis: then wireless-tools are already on that CD and you can also get it easily by downloading it with apt-get since you are online with your debian box |
| 11:06.03 | daGrevis | babilen: It asks me to insert disk of Debian. I havent got it. |
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| 11:06.40 | daGrevis | 'Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20110626-15:45' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter' |
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| 11:06.53 | wols_ | daGrevis: then do it? |
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| 11:07.12 | daGrevis | wols_: I dont have it. I install Debian using USB and now that USb is formatted. |
| 11:07.21 | daGrevis | *installed |
| 11:07.41 | wols_ | daGrevis: then commout out the cdrom line in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 11:07.56 | babilen | make that /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:08.08 | daGrevis | how to do it? :( |
| 11:08.13 | babilen | daGrevis: It would actually be good if you could show us the content of that file |
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| 11:09.16 | wols_ | babilen: blame irssi's tab complete |
| 11:10.01 | daGrevis | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/123875/ |
| 11:11.05 | babilen | daGrevis: In which country do you live? |
| 11:11.13 | daGrevis | babilen: Latvia |
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| 11:12.11 | babilen | daGrevis: Nice, one second please :) |
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| 11:14.41 | starenka | hi i have a new hdd on which i've installed win7. when i launch testing installer it doesn't recognize the partitioning previously made by windows. am i doing something wrong. i allways used this technique with xp (to avoid grub replacement). any clue? |
| 11:14.57 | babilen | daGrevis: Make that http://paste.debian.net/123876/ and run "apt-get update" |
| 11:15.33 | starenka | i mean i have 500gb ntfs, and 300gb blank volume (/) and 8GB swap and some free space, but debian installer shows blank 2TB drive :( |
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| 11:16.02 | daGrevis | babilen: thanks. |
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| 11:16.42 | razz11 | how to check the progress of this command #dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/<drive> bs=4096 |
| 11:16.50 | nkuttler | starenka: well, you should use the stable installer to begin with |
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| 11:17.21 | starenka | nkuttler: you think this would be the problem? |
| 11:17.58 | daGrevis | babilen: 'bash: deb: command not found' |
| 11:18.10 | daGrevis | why i dont have anything? :D |
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| 11:18.21 | wols_ | starenka: are you using a GPT partition table? |
| 11:18.38 | wols_ | daGrevis: cause "deb" is no proper debian command. none of us has this "deb" |
| 11:18.51 | starenka | wols_: dunno i let windows partition it. when i've tried otherwise, windows can't install because of gpt |
| 11:18.59 | starenka | so i assume i dont |
| 11:19.10 | daGrevis | wols_: But I did like babilen told. http://paste.debian.net/123876/ There are 'deb'. |
| 11:19.15 | wols_ | starenka: you do. or you have a "dynamic partition"or such |
| 11:19.42 | wols_ | daGrevis: what babilen gave you is the new content of your sources.list file. NOT something you are supposed to enter at the terminal prompt |
| 11:19.53 | starenka | wols_: ok, so what should i do? |
| 11:20.23 | wols_ | starenka: reinstall. this time: create your partitions in Debian (or tell Windows to make "basic" partitions) |
| 11:20.30 | daGrevis | wols_: *blush* |
| 11:20.47 | daGrevis | wols_: so i need to just replace that old with new one, right? okay |
| 11:20.51 | wols_ | starenka: maybe windows can convert dynamic partitions to basic ones but I dunno how |
| 11:21.17 | starenka | oh how i hate windows ;( |
| 11:21.49 | wols_ | starenka: http://www.petri.co.il/difference_between_basic_and_dynamic_disks_in_windows_xp_2000_2003.htm |
| 11:21.53 | wols_ | for example |
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| 11:22.49 | starenka | wols_: win pm says, all partitions i created are basic |
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| 11:23.29 | daGrevis | babilen: I did the apt-get update. all worked. whats next? |
| 11:23.53 | starenka | wols_: okay, whole disk si basic and gpt |
| 11:25.15 | babilen | daGrevis: Install wireless-tools (apt-get install wireless-tools) and run "ifconfig -a ; iwconfig" → http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:26.16 | daGrevis | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/123879/ |
| 11:26.54 | wols_ | starenka: then don't use gpt next time I guess |
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| 11:27.22 | senorpedro | hi folks |
| 11:27.43 | starenka | wols_: i guess, that sob (sorry) even havent asked me. so i just run deb installer partition the drive install windows and try to install deb again, right? |
| 11:27.49 | senorpedro | i have installed flashplugin-nonfree but i still have no flash support in the browsers. how can i fix this? |
| 11:28.38 | babilen | daGrevis: Well, that didn't work. Ok, run "modprobe -r rt2800usb ; modprobe rt2800usb ; dmesg|tail -23" and paste that |
| 11:29.14 | daGrevis | babilen: i know that u dont want me to assume, but... i need rt3572sta... okay, i will do what u said. :D |
| 11:29.40 | wols_ | starenka: imho yes. that's the most foolproof method I can see. unless your disk is >2,3TB |
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| 11:30.05 | starenka | wols_: it's 2tb |
| 11:30.20 | babilen | daGrevis: I want to see rt2800usb fail first. And sta modules are typically a pain. |
| 11:30.39 | babilen | daGrevis: The stick is plugged in, isn't it? |
| 11:30.52 | daGrevis | babilen: no, its not. http://paste.debian.net/123882/ |
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| 11:31.20 | babilen | daGrevis: *sigh* -- Could you please plug it in? It can not work if it is not ;) |
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| 11:31.35 | daGrevis | babilen: sure. lol |
| 11:31.42 | daGrevis | and then dmesg? |
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| 11:32.20 | babilen | daGrevis: modprobe -r rt2800usb ; modprobe rt2800usb ; dmesg|tail -23 |
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| 11:33.23 | daGrevis | babilen: i did type 'lsusb' and I see my wireless there. |
| 11:33.30 | babilen | good |
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| 11:34.27 | daGrevis | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/123883/ |
| 11:36.41 | babilen | daGrevis: ";" does not mean newline or new command. Ok, lets try "ifconfig -a ; iwconfig" again. Could you also paste "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -i network" along with that? |
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| 11:37.19 | daGrevis | babilen: sorry. okay |
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| 11:38.53 | daGrevis | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/123884/ , lspci gives me nothing. |
| 11:39.29 | babilen | daGrevis: yeah, my brainfart. That looks good. Try "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan" |
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| 11:40.53 | daGrevis | babilen: I have good and bad news. Good: 'stick's LED just turned blue'. Bad: 'wlan0 No scan results '. |
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| 11:41.42 | babilen | daGrevis: You are sure that a network is in reach? Try the "iwlist wlan0 scan" again ... it might have missed your network. |
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| 11:42.22 | daGrevis | with that command i try to search for wi-fi networks around me, right? |
| 11:43.08 | CQ | hello, I have exim set up as a smarthost to send mail with a login, where can I set it to at lease use TLS or even SSL? I can't find that in the (split) config files... |
| 11:43.42 | daGrevis | babilen: 'with that command i try to search for wi-fi networks around me, right?' I have networks around me. Like 50cm away from that stick. |
| 11:44.10 | Night-hacks | is there anyWay to understand Kernel Memory usage ? |
| 11:44.40 | daGrevis | babilen: 'No scan results' |
| 11:44.45 | babilen | daGrevis: Hmm, yeah. You should see it then. /me curses ralink |
| 11:45.22 | babilen | daGrevis: Looks as if this is going to be even more work. You could try the 3.0.1 kernel or the staging driver. (sta) |
| 11:45.33 | babilen | erm, no 3.0.1 yet ... I meant 3.0 |
| 11:45.49 | daGrevis | isnt it beta? |
| 11:45.56 | daGrevis | *that |
| 11:46.11 | abchirk | Hi... what can I do here, I get this error after I tried to update from squeeze to wheezy... http://dpaste.com/575270/ |
| 11:46.21 | razz11 | this command shows the progress but is there a way to get the ETA in this case? Pv's -s switch only works for the source file size> dd if=/dev/urandom bs=4096 | pv | dd of=/dev/sda3 bs=4096 |
| 11:46.24 | abchirk | This also happens when I try to unisntall libcaca or libcucul |
| 11:46.28 | daGrevis | babilen: but why i cant just use rt3572sta |
| 11:47.27 | babilen | daGrevis: You probably can, but that needs work. |
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| 11:48.02 | daGrevis | babilen: okay, just say me what to do, please. |
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| 11:51.10 | babilen | daGrevis: No, sorry. I have other things to do right now. Maybe tonight, but there are plenty of other people in this channel too. :-\ |
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| 11:51.54 | daGrevis | babilen: okay, nevermind. thanks for your work. :) |
| 11:52.10 | DistroJockey | razz11: Did you try sending a USR1 signal to the dd process? |
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| 11:53.02 | daGrevis | how top stop module? i can start it with modprobe xxx, how to stop it? |
| 11:53.17 | cahoot | modprobe -r |
| 11:53.46 | cahoot | (if you really mean how to unload the module) |
| 11:54.16 | daGrevis | thanks |
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| 11:57.51 | razz11 | DistroJockey: actually I was wrong, the -s switch works for the destination size as well, for 500gb it's 35 hrs + |
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| 11:58.20 | abchirk | or how do I a one shot install? |
| 11:58.27 | abchirk | without dependencies? |
| 11:58.40 | cfchris6 | /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-armel_Packages consumes 30MB. Is there an option to store that list in a compressed format? On an embedded system, 30MB is a lot. |
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| 12:00.07 | nevyn | cfchris6: it's a pittance compared to locales. |
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| 12:00.35 | cfchris6 | there is also /var/cache/apt/{src,}pkgcache.bin which also consume 28MB in total |
| 12:00.47 | cfchris6 | nevyn: there is a single local installed, en_US.utf8 |
| 12:01.09 | DistroJockey | razz11: No problem, glad you worked it out. You might want to look at shred as another option |
| 12:01.39 | cfchris6 | nevyn: all in all, right now, 50% of the rootfs space usage is due to those package lists :/ |
| 12:01.41 | razz11 | DistroJockey: this is a new HDD, preparing it for encryption |
| 12:02.45 | DistroJockey | razz11: ahh, fair enough :) |
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| 12:10.54 | dobalina | can anyone offer any insight on debian security track record vs. the BSD's on dedicated servers? I know this is a debian chan so people might be slightly pro deb but still figured it would be interesting to ask as I'm sure many here have experience with both... :) |
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| 12:13.22 | ws2k33 | how can i uninstall vmware workstation on debian? |
| 12:13.45 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. Using `apt-get policy', I see some of my packages are in pre-stable versions. How do I produce a list of all such packages? |
| 12:14.13 | jonaskoelker | I know "for i in installed-pkgs; do apt-cache policy $i; done"; any better? |
| 12:14.54 | wols_ | !tell ws2k33 about vmware |
| 12:15.08 | ws2k33 | wols yeah i know |
| 12:15.10 | ws2k33 | already found it |
| 12:15.17 | ws2k33 | thanks anyway |
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| 12:18.19 | ws2k33 | how i need to modify apache.conf for phpmyadmin to let it run on other port? |
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| 12:18.48 | wols_ | grep -r -i listen /etc/apache/ |
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| 12:19.04 | wols_ | but that will change the port for all websites |
| 12:19.07 | ws2k33 | the apache.conf is in etc/phpmyadmin |
| 12:19.21 | ws2k33 | thats a special apache2.conf for only phpmyadmin |
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| 12:19.50 | WormFood | ws2k33, you have a copy of apache running just for phpmyadmin? |
| 12:19.52 | ws2k33 | this is the config file |
| 12:19.53 | ws2k33 | http://pastebin.com/Z2WxiRkN |
| 12:20.08 | ws2k33 | already did it |
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| 12:20.23 | daGrevis | When I power my computer on, in GRUB, I see two Debians. I guess that I have two kernel versions installed. How to delete one of them so I have only one kernel version installed? |
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| 12:20.45 | WormFood | daGrevis, I think you'll find one is for failsafe mode |
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| 12:21.17 | ws2k33 | wormfood i'm sorry i misread ur question this is the apache.conf of phpmyadmin |
| 12:21.25 | daGrevis | WormFood, nop. I have 4 debians. i said two because i have debian and the debian (recovery)... |
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| 12:21.48 | WormFood | remove the offending kernel and recreate your grub setup |
| 12:22.08 | daGrevis | WormFood, how to do it? |
| 12:22.13 | lduros | hello, does anybody know how to generate a xorg.conf file with the automatic settings that are set by default when debian is installed (like screen, etc) |
| 12:22.14 | lduros | ? |
| 12:22.32 | WormFood | search for the kernel packages you have installed, and uninstall the one you don't want |
| 12:22.41 | vtts | daGrevis, if "recovery" is the problem, you can disable it in /etc/default/grub |
| 12:22.46 | daGrevis | WormFood, yes. but how? Commands... im newbie. |
| 12:23.08 | daGrevis | vtts, no. problem is that I have two kernels. I need to remove one from system and from grub. |
| 12:23.14 | vtts | daGrevis, else, remove unneeded versions from /boot directory and run update-grub |
| 12:23.21 | WormFood | why do you "need" to remove it? |
| 12:23.38 | vtts | but if you are a "newbie" i would not suggest messing with them |
| 12:23.49 | WormFood | I agree with vtts on that one |
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| 12:24.02 | lduros | looks like that would be it: sudo Xorg -configure |
| 12:24.24 | daGrevis | WormFood, I dont know. I guess that there are no reason. i installed newer kernel and i now understand that i dont need that. i installed 2.6.39-2-686-pae and its unstable. i want only stable one. |
| 12:24.27 | WormFood | I bet it is a cosmetic issue, and he does not want to see two kernels in the boot list (I have 4 kernels in my grub boot list) |
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| 12:24.48 | vtts | daGrevis, then simply remove the package |
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| 12:25.02 | daGrevis | like 'apt-get remove 2.6.39-2-686-pae' ? |
| 12:25.08 | vtts | yes |
| 12:25.21 | vtts | but make sure you have a good kernel present |
| 12:25.28 | daGrevis | but does it wont break anything? will it remove also it from grub menu? |
| 12:25.32 | WormFood | but replace what you typed with the name of the package you really have installed |
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| 12:25.44 | WormFood | yes, it will also remove it from the grub menu |
| 12:25.49 | daGrevis | how to see packages i have installed? |
| 12:25.54 | vtts | dpkg -l |
| 12:25.54 | dpkg | vtts: no idea |
| 12:26.17 | vtts | daGrevis, i would sugest reading some manuals to get started |
| 12:26.23 | mosno | why is aptitude listing certain packages as "UNAVAILABLE", eg. python-psycopg ? |
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| 12:26.50 | wols_ | daGrevis: you need version 2.6.39 for your wlan to work |
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| 12:27.05 | daGrevis | vtts, i will. but now im in bad place to read it. i want to configure my wireless network first, then i will move my pc to my room (im now in another room). |
| 12:27.05 | wols_ | ,versions python-psycopg |
| 12:27.06 | judd | Package python-psycopg on i386 -- lenny: 1.1.21-17 |
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| 12:27.19 | wols_ | mosno: what debian verison are you running? |
| 12:27.34 | mosno | wols_, 6.0.2 |
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| 12:27.55 | mosno | wols_, and i haven't touched my sources.list manually... here it is http://paste2.org/p/1537237 |
| 12:27.55 | wols_ | mosno: then you have the answer. you once upon a time installed lenny or such and then upgraded to squeeze? |
| 12:28.03 | mosno | wols_, no fresh install |
| 12:28.40 | wols_ | mosno: possibly some other package lists the unavailable ones as recommendations? |
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| 12:28.58 | lduros1 | hello |
| 12:29.01 | lduros1 | was d/c |
| 12:29.24 | mosno | wols_, yes, the package i mentioned is listed as a Suggests for python-django |
| 12:29.37 | mosno | wols_, is that a bug? |
| 12:29.51 | mosno | wols_, ie. it shouldn't list a package that isn't in the repo |
| 12:29.51 | wols_ | at most a wishlist bug |
| 12:30.02 | wols_ | nothing serious in any way |
| 12:30.05 | daGrevis | i removed unstable kernel. anwyay, im now using it. when i will reboot, will it recognize old kernel that i have installed? |
| 12:30.07 | mosno | agreed, but still weird |
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| 12:31.45 | daGrevis | i runned 'update-grub'. |
| 12:31.50 | daGrevis | lets see what will happen. |
| 12:32.02 | lduros1 | figured I could probably do: Xorg :1 -configure |
| 12:32.12 | wols_ | lduros1: "X" |
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| 12:35.48 | daGrevis | Im back. I removed it successfully. |
| 12:35.48 | daGrevis | :) |
| 12:37.09 | wols_ | daGrevis: which one? |
| 12:37.44 | daGrevis | wols_, unstable. |
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| 12:38.49 | wols_ | daGrevis: and how do you plan to use your wlan with 2.6.32? |
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| 12:39.26 | daGrevis | wols_, it does work with that kernel. i have working driver. |
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| 12:40.15 | daGrevis | what was again that command that lists installed packages? dgkg -l ? |
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| 12:41.11 | daGrevis | dpkg -l |
| 12:41.11 | dpkg | daGrevis: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 12:46.00 | daGrevis | wols_, here are good tut that did work on Ubuntu 10.04 and Xubuntu 11.04 |
| 12:46.02 | daGrevis | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/linksys-wusb600n-driver-and-dlink-dwl-ag132-driver-622449/ |
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| 12:46.22 | wols_ | daGrevis: and you are telling me this why? |
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| 12:46.45 | daGrevis | wols_, 'and how do you plan to use your wlan with 2.6.32?'. |
| 12:47.26 | wols_ | daGrevis: you unedrstand that the debian kernel and ubuntu kernels are different, right? |
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| 12:47.49 | daGrevis | wols_, no. |
| 12:48.02 | ShapeShifter499 | ping |
| 12:48.48 | daGrevis | wols_, all this time i thougght that kernels are made by Linus Torvalds and other guys and they are for linux. all other linux distros do use those kernels - just different versions. Debian uses stable versions. |
| 12:48.59 | daGrevis | this is my knowledge about Linuxes :D |
| 12:49.09 | daGrevis | and yee, Ubuntu is made on Debian so it should work too. |
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| 12:51.30 | CQ | any backupninja users here? I need to run a sh action only sometimes... |
| 12:51.49 | CQ | ...and the "when" keyword doesn't seem to affect the file |
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| 12:52.54 | wols_ | daGrevis: yes. debian squeeze don't neecssarily has the same drivers in the kernel as ubuntu does, since in this case ubuntu 10.04 and 11.04 have later kernels. hence, different drivers |
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| 12:53.59 | daGrevis | wols_, i can try. i will learn only from my mistakes. :) so i will try. :) |
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| 12:54.56 | wols_ | daGrevis: you said it is actually working right now. that wasn't true? |
| 12:55.11 | daGrevis | whats working? that wireless? no. it doesnt work. |
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| 12:55.45 | wols_ | as babilen told you, it will only work with kernel 2.6.39 or higher |
| 12:56.57 | daGrevis | wols_, that rt3572sta? |
| 12:57.02 | daGrevis | not his solution. |
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| 12:57.46 | wols_ | so you used the ralink provided drivers? good luck and good bye. you need all the luck you can get there |
| 12:57.51 | Bushmills | daGrevis: as you're able to recompile a kernel, your compiled kernel wouldn't necessarily have to be identical to one your can download |
| 12:57.52 | babilen | daGrevis: I just wanted to try the in kernel module rt2800usb first. I don't have time to debug this thoroughly right now, but it was definitely worth a try. |
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| 13:02.36 | daGrevis | I'm stuck. http://paste.debian.net/123889/ |
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| 13:06.38 | babilen | daGrevis: As we've discussed earlier you also need the dependencies. Given that you have internet connection right now, I would set the default release to "squeeze" (/msg dpkg default release), run "apt-get update" and install the kernel directly with "apt-get -t sid install linux-image-2.6.39-2-686-pae" |
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| 13:10.18 | babilen | daGrevis: Make sure that you do not install other packages from sid. (i.e. don't use the "-t sid" for anything but the kernel package) |
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| 13:17.05 | babilen | daGrevis: Please be aware that there are two distinct ways to install the new kernel. The first is to install it manually from the .debs, but you have to install *all* dependencies manually as well. (initramfs-tools, linux-base). The second way is to set the default release to "squeeze" so you stay on the stable release, add a sid "deb" line to /etc/apt/sources.list as discussed 2 hours ago. That enables you to install selected packages from sid ... |
| 13:17.11 | babilen | ... directly from the mirrors by using the "-t sid" option for apt-get. The latter method will take care of dependencies automagically. |
| 13:17.47 | babilen | Actually there are more, so if excruciatingly pedantic people are listening, I beg your pardon and can assure you that I am fully aware of that. |
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| 13:23.12 | woshty | re |
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| 13:27.19 | lamah | how can i reinstall package? |
| 13:27.36 | wols_ | apt-get reinstall <package> |
| 13:28.04 | lamah | wols_: ok. |
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| 13:29.21 | lamah | wols_: ? reinstall is not available parameter |
| 13:29.54 | nkuttler | lamah: install --reinstall |
| 13:30.22 | lamah | nkuttler: what ? |
| 13:30.32 | wols_ | nkuttler: thanks |
| 13:30.41 | lamah | ah |
| 13:30.43 | wols_ | lamah: he means aptitude install --reinstall <package> |
| 13:30.50 | wols_ | fsck! |
| 13:30.57 | wols_ | lamah: he means apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 13:31.11 | wols_ | and it's aptitude which understands the "reinstall" option |
| 13:31.18 | lamah | strange i did find before in --help --reinstall for apt ;) |
| 13:31.27 | lamah | wols_ yes |
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| 13:34.23 | lamah | *didn't* |
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| 13:34.50 | setuid | I just updated my system a few days ago, a power-outage rebooted it and now it kernel panics about 1/2 second after the kernel starts unpacking, because of the change to using UUID in grub.conf |
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| 13:35.09 | setuid | I can't boot the system, and no root=/dev/sd? option I've passed (fromm /dev/sda1 - /dev/sdc7 ) works |
| 13:35.32 | setuid | I have 1 drive in the system, and grub points to hd0,0, so I'm assuming Linux thinks it's /dev/sda, but it refuses to find the root to mount |
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| 13:36.00 | setuid | How do I fix this? I have no CD drive, no other way to boot this other than the installed OS on the drive itself (it's a production webserver, serving up ~300 websites; all down now) |
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| 13:37.04 | wols_ | setuid: at the grub> prompt, run "ls" |
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| 13:37.18 | zappus | Hey everyone |
| 13:37.28 | zappus | I was told yesterday but kind of forgot |
| 13:37.44 | zappus | How to install 32 bit kernel on debisn 6? |
| 13:37.45 | setuid | wols_: There is no grub prompt, I can hit 'e' and edit the conf, but there is no shell |
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| 13:38.16 | wols_ | there is. you press "c" |
| 13:38.16 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.43 | wols_ | is this grub or grub2? |
| 13:39.03 | wols_ | run "help" then. should work on all versions |
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| 13:39.15 | wols_ | you want a command to list all available partitions |
| 13:39.15 | setuid | Says grub> at the prompt, no idea |
| 13:39.30 | wols_ | run "help" then. should work on all versions |
| 13:39.39 | setuid | Yeah, ls isn't in the help options |
| 13:40.16 | setuid | This is a current 'lenny' install, according to the logbook |
| 13:40.43 | setuid | can't get out of this prompt either |
| 13:41.02 | zappus | Anyone? :P |
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| 13:41.39 | wols_ | zappus: apt-cache search linux-image|grep linux-image choose one |
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| 13:42.16 | wols_ | setuid: ESC to get out usually. possible the help screen has a command for it too |
| 13:42.56 | zappus | And then just run apt-get install *name here*? |
| 13:43.04 | zappus | name of the selected one |
| 13:44.38 | setuid | I ripped the drive out, plugging it into my laptop, going to see what the heck the partition structure is on this monster |
| 13:44.52 | setuid | Obviously the detection/upgrade to UUIDs is broken, need to fix that |
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| 13:45.54 | setuid | looks like /dev/sda8 is where it boots |
| 13:45.54 | setuid | trying that now |
| 13:47.27 | setuid | Nope, kernel dumps there too. FSCK!! |
| 13:47.50 | setuid | Did this uuid upgrade touch mtab/fstab too?! |
| 13:48.44 | setuid | There should be a minimum age limit/test required before anyone gets to be a Debian packager. Too many people building packages don't understand what they're doing. This is such a case. |
| 13:48.45 | wols_ | it's not the uuid part which gave you problems |
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| 13:49.03 | setuid | It's absolutely the uuid part |
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| 13:49.14 | setuid | It's the only thing that changed in the boot process |
| 13:49.25 | wols_ | the kernel changed too? |
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| 13:49.48 | setuid | Why installing gd support in PHP5 had to drag in a grub update that brought with it incompatible uuid changes, is beyond me... again, amateur packagers who don't understand what they're doing. |
| 13:50.25 | wols_ | but a guy who does updates on a live production webserver with 300 sites is a professional, right? |
| 13:50.58 | hyper_ch | hmmm, anyone here uses netatalk? I have a few questions regarding permissions |
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| 13:51.37 | wols_ | !tell hyper_ch about ask |
| 13:51.41 | setuid | wols_, Yes, except that I missed the incorrect dependency chain that someone maintaining that package dragged in. My bad, I'll own that. grub is 100% UNRELATED to php, but somehow dragged it in as a dep. |
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| 13:52.20 | lduros | hello, does anybody have experience setting a wacom tablet? I was able to add it manually to xorg.conf |
| 13:52.39 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 13:52.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 13:52.46 | lduros | ok |
| 13:53.29 | wols_ | setuid: fyi, have you disabled recommends or are they still on? |
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| 13:53.39 | lamah | what means that on apt-get upgrade "The following packages have been kept back:" ? 6 not upgraded. and some packages like postgresql, etc. are listed ? |
| 13:53.40 | hyper_ch | regarding netatalk: in the AppleVolumes.default you specify the shares. You can also specify the users who can get acces. Do does users need to exist on the netatalk server as system accounts? |
| 13:53.45 | lduros | does anybody know how to limit the surface on screen rather than the surface on the wacom tablet. I use the KeepShape on option, which limits the surface on the tablet to mimic the aspect ratio of the screen. however, i'd like to limit the surface on the screen, rather than the other way around. |
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| 13:54.43 | wols_ | setuid: what message do you get when the kernel craps out? |
| 13:54.47 | setuid | The whole move to UUIDs is a disaster, dead-end. I'm backing all that out. |
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| 13:55.29 | setuid | It's booting now, had to copy a new kernel and config to /media/uuid-blah/boot when I mounted it to my laptop, and edit grub as it booted to point it to /dev/sda8, instead of root=UUID=this-never-worked-anyway |
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| 13:55.51 | knoxy | Hi all.. I've 2 internet links (eth1 - 201.63.x.x and eth2 - 189.111.x.x) ... How can I do to make a balance-rr? I'm reading one article, but I dont understand the configuration of bond0 in interfaces file.. What IP I need to input to bond0? the ip of eth1 or eth2? |
| 13:56.13 | wols_ | setuid: so it was the new kernel version? |
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| 13:56.21 | wols_ | setuid: have you recommends disabled? |
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| 13:57.46 | setuid | wols_, We've never interactively enabled them, so they probably are disabled. How would I check? |
| 13:57.57 | ws2k33 | what is the difference on debian with sites-available and sites-enabled? |
| 13:58.04 | wols_ | they are enabled by default. so unless you did something they are enabled |
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| 13:58.19 | setuid | hrm, ok |
| 13:58.27 | setuid | How do I figure out why the uypgrade got all the UUIDs wrong |
| 13:59.25 | setuid | googles |
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| 14:00.25 | setuid | # blkid /dev/sda8 |
| 14:00.25 | setuid | /dev/sda8: UUID="de5ede41-3798-4b31-9b9b-fd27d83d9123" TYPE="xfs" |
| 14:00.33 | setuid | But it doesn't like that when booting |
| 14:00.36 | setuid | ..any kernel |
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| 14:01.47 | hyper_ch | sounds more like a grub issue |
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| 14:02.06 | Amnesia | hi question |
| 14:02.12 | hyper_ch | changed from grub1 o grub2? |
| 14:02.15 | Amnesia | is there someway to get libqt4-webkit 32 bit installed on amd64? |
| 14:02.31 | hyper_ch | Amnesia: force dpkg |
| 14:02.54 | Amnesia | hyper_ch: elaborate |
| 14:03.08 | hyper_ch | Amnesia: dpkg -i --force-all package.deb |
| 14:03.28 | hyper_ch | but why do you want to do this? |
| 14:03.36 | Amnesia | I havent got a deb of libqt4-webkit |
| 14:03.40 | Amnesia | 32 bits* |
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| 14:03.53 | wols_ | ,versions libqt4-webkit |
| 14:03.53 | judd | Package libqt4-webkit on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; sid: 4:4.7.3-5; wheezy: 4:4.7.3-5 |
| 14:03.56 | Amnesia | hyper_ch: I'm running amd64, and trying to run 32 bit packet trace |
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| 14:04.03 | Amnesia | but it won't work with 64 bit libs |
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| 14:04.15 | wols_ | !tell Amnesia about schroot |
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| 14:04.43 | wols_ | Amnesia: easiest way is to set up a 32bit chroot with debootstrap |
| 14:04.53 | morphic | that cisco crap? |
| 14:04.56 | Amnesia | hm bugger |
| 14:05.00 | Amnesia | morphic: yep:/ |
| 14:05.11 | Amnesia | wols_: can't I just force apt-get to install 32 bit? |
| 14:05.34 | wols_ | no |
| 14:05.42 | Amnesia | lame |
| 14:05.54 | wols_ | !multiarch |
| 14:05.54 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. For further details see http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch http://lists.debian.org/20110627105453.GC31198@virgil.dodds.net |
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| 14:06.36 | Amnesia | hm thx:) |
| 14:06.50 | Amnesia | well I gues I'll go for debootstrap then:) |
| 14:07.02 | JmZ | hey |
| 14:07.25 | JmZ | dont suppose you know why in the minimal debian install (net install), ./anybinaryhere produces a not found error |
| 14:07.57 | fenugreek | why would you use the minimal installer as a livecd |
| 14:08.12 | JmZ | who said i was using it as a livecd? |
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| 14:09.15 | wols_ | JmZ: you implied it. what is your actual problem? |
| 14:10.12 | Amnesia | wols_: it wouldn't be possible to make multiarch binaries though right? |
| 14:10.16 | JmZ | wols_: how so? and that is my actual problem, that no binary can be executed |
| 14:10.22 | ws2k33 | how can i fix that phpmyadmin is not accisable via localip/phpmyadmin |
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| 14:11.12 | wols_ | JmZ: more specifics. which binary. under which OS (the install CD or the installed debian)? |
| 14:11.38 | JmZ | wols_: ANY binary which isn't part of the env, installed debian |
| 14:11.38 | wols_ | ws2k33: ls -l /var/www/phpmyadmin |
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| 14:12.14 | wols_ | ls -l ./<binary which does not run> |
| 14:12.21 | JmZ | yes, it is there |
| 14:12.30 | JmZ | hence why im here asking |
| 14:12.42 | wols_ | JmZ: and I want to see the output of this command |
| 14:13.08 | JmZ | please dont treat me as a newbie, but fine... |
| 14:13.24 | JmZ | ls -l ./au.bin |
| 14:13.24 | JmZ | -rwxr-xr-- 1 script script 209089 2009-12-24 22:20 ./au.bin |
| 14:13.25 | ws2k33 | wols doesnt exsist |
| 14:13.25 | JmZ | happy? |
| 14:13.31 | ws2k33 | i installed phpmyadmin via apt-get |
| 14:13.46 | ws2k33 | the .php files are in /etc/phpmyadmin same as the apache2.conf |
| 14:13.48 | JmZ | you could even ask me to wget a binary and try run that, it'll produce the same error, like i said, all binaries |
| 14:14.02 | wols_ | JmZ: if you act like one I can only do that. a non-newbie had told us what he already tried to fix this. you didn't, and I have to pull every info out of you with a crowbar. know what? I don't need the grief so good day |
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| 14:14.21 | JmZ | wols_: because i have never had this issue before |
| 14:14.26 | JmZ | and i doubt you have either |
| 14:14.34 | JmZ | so of course i haven't tried much yet |
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| 14:15.25 | wols_ | JmZ: tons of times. missing shared libs, nont exec filesystem, etc. but you don't like my troubleshooting process so you are on your own. as I said: good day |
| 14:15.27 | Amnesia | crap |
| 14:15.32 | Amnesia | how can I remove a folder called "--arch=i386" |
| 14:15.37 | JmZ | if i say a binary is there, its there, dont assume everyone on here is a newbie, it is insulting |
| 14:15.41 | wols_ | ws2k33: apache2 looks only in /var/www |
| 14:15.42 | Amnesia | putting it between quotes doesnt work |
| 14:15.48 | nkuttler | Amnesia: rm -- --foo |
| 14:15.53 | nkuttler | also, man rm |
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| 14:16.17 | Amnesia | nkuttler: hm thx |
| 14:16.18 | nkuttler | JmZ: mount noexec? |
| 14:16.19 | Amnesia | :-p |
| 14:16.28 | JmZ | nkuttler: no it isnt mounted with noexec |
| 14:16.30 | ws2k33 | wols i installed phpmyadmin via apt-get |
| 14:16.47 | wols_ | ws2k33: and? |
| 14:17.12 | ws2k33 | and its not in /var/www |
| 14:17.18 | ws2k33 | its in /etc/phpmyadmin |
| 14:17.23 | Digdilem | ws2k33, you may need to restart apache (apache2ctl restart), and maybe link /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache/conf.d/phpmyadmin |
| 14:17.37 | wols_ | ws2k33: if you want to access something via http://localhost/directory, then there must be "directory" in /var/www. |
| 14:17.37 | Digdilem | restart first, then try second and then restart again |
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| 14:18.08 | ws2k33 | digdilem thats already linked |
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| 14:18.27 | wols_ | and in /etc/phpmyadmin there are normally ONLY config files. nothing else is in /etc. the phpmyadmin files are under /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ |
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| 14:18.47 | Digdilem | ws2k33, and you have restarted apache? |
| 14:18.47 | ws2k33 | thats what i mean |
| 14:18.49 | blubberdiblub | wols_, no, not necessarily. phpmyadmin has a config file that sets up aliases |
| 14:18.57 | ws2k33 | yes |
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| 14:19.04 | blubberdiblub | wols_, yes |
| 14:19.10 | ws2k33 | but the problem is i want phpmyadmin Not be accesable via 80 |
| 14:19.13 | ws2k33 | only via 81 |
| 14:19.17 | TheBigOne`rd | I`m wondering between Debian and fedora... I`m beginner .. so the question is why Debian, no Fedora ? |
| 14:19.26 | wols_ | ws2k33: then you need to run a 2nd apache instance |
| 14:19.36 | wols_ | !tell TheBigOne`rd about why debian |
| 14:19.48 | ws2k33 | !tell ws2k33 about why debian |
| 14:20.01 | wols_ | !tell ws2k33 about selftell |
| 14:21.19 | ws2k33 | wols i cannot make some kind of vhost for port 81? |
| 14:21.26 | ws2k33 | and then host phpmyadmin from there |
| 14:21.41 | TheBigOne`rd | wols_ but what`s the diffrent only api and yum ? |
| 14:21.42 | JmZ | sigh |
| 14:21.49 | JmZ | forget it ill just wipe it and put full debian on |
| 14:21.52 | JmZ | pile of crap |
| 14:21.53 | ws2k33 | for security i wanne only forward port 80 to my server. phpmyadmin not from public accisable |
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| 14:22.03 | hyper_ch | regarding netatalk: in the AppleVolumes.default you specify the shares. You can also specify the users who can get acces. Do does users need to exist on the netatalk server as system accounts? |
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| 14:25.15 | petersman | hey! Im about to install debian using "debian-live-6.0.1-lxde-desktop.iso", however I wish not to install OpenOffice, can I deselect it anywhere? |
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| 14:28.51 | ershad | Hai, May I know where's apt's package list is located in? |
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| 14:29.25 | valdyn | petersman: why do you think its installed by default? |
| 14:29.42 | wols_ | ershad: /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 14:30.17 | ws2k33 | i fixed that i have phpmyadmin on port 81 |
| 14:30.30 | ws2k33 | but how should i remove it from port 80? |
| 14:31.02 | wols_ | ws2k33: 2nd apache instance |
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| 14:31.26 | petersman | valdyn: because I saw a review of it (www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ_sn6UFTlo). And my netbook has so little space, so OpenOffice is no good. |
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| 14:31.48 | ws2k33 | wols why do i need 2th apache instance? |
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| 14:32.00 | ws2k33 | why i cant just virtual host virtual host can use other ports right? |
| 14:32.07 | ershad | wols_, There are downloaded package files, right? I would like to know where the the package list is located |
| 14:32.28 | ershad | wols_, Like the package names, download url and everything after adding a repo and refreshing |
| 14:32.32 | wols_ | ershad: the list of available packages is in /var/cache/apt |
| 14:32.47 | valdyn | petersman: thats a live cd |
| 14:33.52 | petersman | valdyn: yes. And it offers the ability to install to hard drive. But you mean OpenOffice wont be installed if I do that? |
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| 14:34.40 | wols_ | petersman: if you want a small installation you start usually with a netinst ISO, don't isntall anything under the installer but everything later via apt-get. Before you run apt-get you disable recommends |
| 14:35.32 | wols_ | petersman: do you have LAN internet with your netbook, or WLAN only? |
| 14:35.36 | petersman | wols_: yeah I've tried that but it's really difficult setting up wireless connection and all. |
| 14:36.01 | wols_ | setting up wireless won't be easier (or harder) with a live cd installer |
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| 14:36.26 | wols_ | cause if it's a proper debian installer it installs the exact same things as the netinst one |
| 14:37.16 | valdyn | petersman: that live cd is not installable as far as i can see |
| 14:37.17 | ws2k33 | wols why 2th apache2 instance? |
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| 14:37.43 | ws2k33 | it cant be done with a virtual host? |
| 14:37.44 | valdyn | petersman: and lxde.org links to official debian installers |
| 14:37.55 | ecksun | how can i do: "for i in {1..5}; do xterm &; done" directly in a terminal? |
| 14:38.05 | wols_ | ws2k33: cause if you tell apache to listen on an additional port, it listens at the port with ALL vhosts. |
| 14:38.09 | ecksun | Im having problem with the & not being escaped properly, but Im not sure how to go about it |
| 14:38.42 | ws2k33 | wols cant i make a vhost for 81 and a vhost for 80 to split it? |
| 14:38.44 | valdyn | ecksun: why would that & be escaped? |
| 14:38.52 | ws2k33 | or does it still listen for al then ? |
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| 14:39.09 | ecksun | valdyn, because that exact line is incorrect because of the & |
| 14:39.22 | petersman | Il give 'net-install' a try, thanks guys. |
| 14:39.36 | ecksun | Im guessing it tries to background everything before & and then try to run done separatly, which ofc is incorrect syntax |
| 14:39.50 | valdyn | ecksun: for i in {1..5}; do { xterm & } ; done |
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| 14:40.05 | ecksun | nice |
| 14:40.06 | ecksun | thx |
| 14:40.18 | ecksun | you wouldnt happen to have some good references that explain {} ? :) |
| 14:40.26 | valdyn | ecksun: no |
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| 14:40.33 | ecksun | okay, thanks anyway :) |
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| 14:41.43 | ws2k33 | wols i can force inside phpmyadmin on https? |
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| 14:42.16 | blubberdiblub | ecksun, "man bash" or "man dash". it's called "command grouping" or "group command" |
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| 14:42.34 | ershad | wols_, Thanks :) |
| 14:42.54 | ecksun | bluoh, nice, thx |
| 14:43.21 | valdyn | ws2k33: you can create whatever virtual host you want |
| 14:43.57 | ws2k33 | valdyn i'm just trying to let phpmyadmin run on another port |
| 14:44.06 | blubberdiblub | ecksun, there are many nice applications of that. for example you can apply a pipe to a whole group of commands without spawning a subshell |
| 14:44.19 | valdyn | ws2k33: apache2 runs on a port, phpmyadmin doesnt run on ports |
| 14:44.25 | ws2k33 | if i need to create 2th instance for that fine but i'm first looking if its not possible with one instance |
| 14:44.31 | ws2k33 | no i know i'mn sorry |
| 14:44.42 | ecksun | bluoh, awesome! |
| 14:44.54 | ecksun | damn internets, 3g doesnt handle being maxed verry good :P |
| 14:45.04 | ecksun | blubberdiblub, awesome, Im gonna read the man, thx |
| 14:45.06 | ws2k33 | i read that i can force it to https if that works that fine to |
| 14:45.11 | valdyn | ws2k33: thats why you modify or create an apache2 virtual server at whichever port and phpmyadmin follows from that |
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| 14:45.59 | ws2k33 | valdyn wols sad thats not possible because if i add port 81 its listen for that for all |
| 14:46.47 | valdyn | ws2k33: no.. |
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| 14:47.03 | valdyn | ws2k33: see /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 14:47.03 | ws2k33 | so i can create a virtual host on port 81 for only phpmyadmin |
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| 14:47.26 | ws2k33 | and on port 80 my default website? |
| 14:47.29 | wols_ | valdyn: he wants to run phpmyadmin on port 81 only, and his other vhosts on 80. so that whoever connects to 80 can never ever get to phpmyadmin. and you think this is possible? |
| 14:48.04 | valdyn | wols_: whichever path he serves on each enforces that |
| 14:48.51 | ws2k33 | what does that mean |
| 14:48.56 | valdyn | thats the DocumentRoot |
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| 14:49.47 | ws2k33 | valdyn i already got fixed that phpmyadmin runs on port 81 |
| 14:49.59 | ws2k33 | i only now need to remove from localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 14:49.59 | valdyn | ws2k33: one apache2 virtual host serves one or multiple directories |
| 14:50.22 | ws2k33 | yeah i understand |
| 14:50.24 | valdyn | ws2k33: now if phpmyadmin is in that path - then it will be served |
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| 14:50.46 | ws2k33 | like i sad on port 81 works with a vhost now i only need to remove localhost/phpmyadmin on port 80 |
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| 14:51.35 | valdyn | ws2k33: that 80 should be /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default iirc |
| 14:51.47 | wols_ | valdyn: his apache listens on two ports: 80 and 81. and he has localhost:81/phpmyadmin, but right now there is also localhost:80/phpmyadmin but that :80 phpmyadmin must go away |
| 14:52.04 | ws2k33 | wols correcly |
| 14:52.07 | valdyn | wols_: so he must change the documentroot on 80 |
| 14:52.17 | valdyn | wols_: or Alias |
| 14:52.29 | ws2k33 | and that is in my 000-defaulty? |
| 14:53.00 | valdyn | ws2k33: yea, i guess so. But i dont know where debian puts phpmyadmin |
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| 14:53.09 | wols_ | valdyn: what directive in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default would that be? |
| 14:53.21 | wols_ | valdyn: the one that deals with ports to listen on that is |
| 14:53.22 | valdyn | wols_: i dont know where phpmyadmin is |
| 14:53.32 | ws2k33 | the php files are in usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 14:54.00 | valdyn | ws2k33: then that path has to be in the apache config file enabling phpmyadmin |
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| 14:54.13 | valdyn | ws2k33: unless theres also a link elsewhere ( like /var/www/ |
| 14:54.36 | ws2k33 | i have one 2 vhosts one serving /var/www/fgh |
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| 14:54.47 | ws2k33 | and one serving /usr/share/doc |
| 14:55.19 | daGrevis | What I need to have to compile drivers? I installed 'make' and 'gcc'. Still, it gives me 'make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop.'. :( |
| 14:55.24 | ws2k33 | the fgh vhost is only listen on 80 and the phpmyadmin vhost is listen on 81 |
| 14:55.33 | ws2k33 | so i dont know why localhost/phpmyadmin is still working |
| 14:55.40 | valdyn | ws2k33: theres also /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 14:55.46 | ws2k33 | i know |
| 14:55.57 | valdyn | ws2k33: as i said, i dont know where phpmyadmin puts its files |
| 14:56.10 | valdyn | ws2k33: or the phpmyadmin debian package puts its files, even |
| 14:56.31 | ws2k33 | valdyn in conf.d there is phpmyadmin.conf |
| 14:56.32 | wols_ | !tell daGrevis about build-essential |
| 14:56.39 | valdyn | ws2k33: so duh |
| 14:56.40 | ws2k33 | but also there i have in listen 81 |
| 14:56.44 | wols_ | daGrevis: and you need the linux-headers package for your current running kernel too |
| 14:56.58 | valdyn | ws2k33: i cannot guess your stuff without seeing it really |
| 14:57.05 | ws2k33 | i understand.. |
| 14:57.20 | ws2k33 | like i sad in conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf i already added listen 81 |
| 14:57.26 | ws2k33 | to make use it listens on port 81 |
| 14:57.27 | daGrevis | How to get 'build-essential' and 'linux-headers'? Simple 'apt-get install foo'? |
| 14:57.43 | valdyn | ws2k33: thats the wrong way |
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| 14:58.26 | valdyn | ws2k33: the right way is adding phpmyadmin to your 81 virtual host while *removing* the global directives |
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| 14:58.33 | ws2k33 | valdyn i found it :D |
| 14:58.36 | ws2k33 | it works now |
| 14:58.43 | valdyn | ws2k33: ok, nice |
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| 15:00.19 | daGrevis | wols_, when I try to install linux-headers... it gives me a list of all available linux-headers. How to know what's best for my computer? |
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| 15:01.20 | sultan | hello, i have a webserver with debian squeeze installed on it. now i changed the boot priority to a wrong parameter and i can't access it anymore. is there any other way to modify the boot priority? |
| 15:01.34 | daGrevis | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/123910/ . |
| 15:02.11 | wols_ | daGrevis: the one for your running kernel. |
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| 15:02.31 | wols_ | sultan: in BIOS? |
| 15:02.43 | sultan | through SSH (putty) |
| 15:02.53 | wols_ | sultan: what did you do exactly? |
| 15:02.53 | valdyn | sultan: dpkg -l insserv |
| 15:03.10 | daGrevis | wols_, then i think that 'linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-35' will be that. My kernel is '2.6.32-5-686'. Can you confirm? |
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| 15:03.25 | sultan | changed the boot priority of /etc/default/grub to a wrong/inexisting parameter |
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| 15:03.26 | wols_ | daGrevis: looks alright to me |
| 15:03.27 | valdyn | daGrevis: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:04.33 | daGrevis | thanks, valdyn. :) |
| 15:04.34 | wols_ | sultan: what was that parameter? I can't find one named "BOOT_PRIORITY" there |
| 15:04.41 | blubberdiblub | sultan, you mean the "default" boot entry, right? the one it selects automatically from the boot menu when no key is pressed for a certain time |
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| 15:04.54 | sultan | blubberdiblub exactly |
| 15:05.01 | blubberdiblub | wols_, ^ |
| 15:05.20 | wols_ | that doesn't matter. just choose another entry in your grub menu |
| 15:05.27 | sultan | i can'T access it anymore |
| 15:05.33 | sultan | it is a server |
| 15:05.45 | sultan | i failed |
| 15:06.01 | wols_ | then you need to ask someone who can still access your server |
| 15:06.22 | wols_ | unless you can access the grub menu via a kvm over IP or such |
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| 15:07.05 | blubberdiblub | sultan, many server hosters have ways to access the grub console before booting. look for some recovery options of your server provider |
| 15:07.20 | sultan | blubberdiblub ok thank you |
| 15:07.24 | ws2k33 | valdyn can i run 2 vhosts witht he same domain? |
| 15:07.24 | sultan | thank you all :-) |
| 15:07.31 | ws2k33 | on different port? |
| 15:07.32 | wols_ | sultan: IIRC hetzner, 1und1, etc have usually rescue partitions so you can still access your disk and set everything right again |
| 15:07.41 | sultan | OVH |
| 15:07.53 | wols_ | they too hopefully |
| 15:08.10 | sultan | there is an option, i can reinstall the OS |
| 15:08.14 | ws2k33 | cause i have a domain name that directs to that IP adres of the machine. but it works on port 80 but not for 81\ |
| 15:08.32 | blubberdiblub | sultan, that would only be a last resort. look for a different option first |
| 15:08.34 | wols_ | either you get access to the grub menu before it boots or you can access your disk somewhow and edit /etc/default/grub or /boot/grub/grub.cfg directly |
| 15:08.54 | sultan | wols_ yeah, i need a way to do thatr |
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| 15:09.02 | Bushmills | ws2k33: sure. use different host names in the same domain for each server |
| 15:09.42 | Bushmills | or bind different virtualhosts of the same host name to two different ports. |
| 15:09.51 | ws2k33 | bushmills yeah i did that |
| 15:09.55 | blubberdiblub | sultan, http://hilfe.ovh.de/AdministrationRescueModus |
| 15:09.57 | Bushmills | latter requires clients to specifiy what server they want to connect to |
| 15:10.03 | ws2k33 | the vhost are exacly the same exact for the documentroot ofcrouse |
| 15:10.09 | ws2k33 | and on ip adres it works only not on domain |
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| 15:10.39 | sultan | blubberdiblub ah thanks, i was on that site before |
| 15:10.53 | sultan | blubberdiblub that should be the solution! big thanks |
| 15:11.05 | Bushmills | ws2k33: different host names is preferable, IMHO |
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| 15:12.41 | ws2k33 | why |
| 15:13.11 | Bushmills | name.domain.tld comes more naturally than name.domain.tld:81 |
| 15:13.22 | ws2k33 | i know |
| 15:13.25 | ws2k33 | but 81 is only for admins |
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| 15:13.37 | ws2k33 | and port 81 is blocked int he firewall to the public |
| 15:13.48 | ws2k33 | only people on the allow list can even connect to it |
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| 15:15.16 | wols_ | j Kate Grenville - The Idea of Perfection (epub).rar |
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| 15:16.27 | ws2k33 | strange that it dont works on domain |
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| 15:16.58 | Bushmills | it does. you probably have something misconfigured |
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| 15:17.31 | ws2k33 | proberly but i should know what |
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| 15:17.44 | Bushmills | yes, you should |
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| 15:18.11 | ws2k33 | this is my vhost of my phpmyadmin |
| 15:18.12 | ws2k33 | http://pastebin.com/fNEJ1fLc |
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| 15:18.54 | ws2k33 | but on my port 80 is the same vhost file ofcrouse with different port and other documentroot further its the same |
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| 15:21.33 | ws2k33 | bushmill do u see anything i did wrong? |
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| 15:27.48 | daGrevis | Good news. I got my wireless stick to work. It works with 2.6.32-5-686 and to get it woriking, you need to install 2009_1214_RT3572_LinuxSTA_V2.3.0.0 |
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| 15:32.23 | niklaswe | Will it be any debian packages for xbmc? |
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| 15:32.41 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 15:32.46 | wols_ | !xbmc |
| 15:32.46 | dpkg | XBMC Media Center (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. <ITP> filed in Debian bug #469397; see <dmm> for unofficial packages. "XBMC Live" is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC for Linux, it is not supported in #debian. http://xbmc.org/ #xbmc on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 15:32.46 | daemonkeeper | Or: Not very likely. |
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| 15:34.08 | burpi | hello |
| 15:34.16 | burpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.19 | burpi | i'm on debian lenny |
| 15:34.31 | burpi | how could i fix my debian to get rid of this error ? |
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| 15:35.17 | daemonkeeper | What are you trying to do? You seem to be missing a library. |
| 15:35.31 | daemonkeeper | libboost-filesystem to be precise. |
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| 15:36.09 | burpi | daemonkeeper: yes |
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| 15:36.26 | burpi | now i download http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/boost1.35/libboost-filesystem1.35-dev_1.35.0-5_i386.deb |
| 15:36.30 | wols_ | install libboost-filesystem1.35.0 |
| 15:36.34 | daemonkeeper | Ever heard of apt? |
| 15:36.44 | daemonkeeper | And no, you don't need the -dev |
| 15:36.52 | lduros | hello, what's the correct way to leave the x/gdm session and get to a shell screen? |
| 15:36.53 | burpi | so, apt-get install libboost-filesystem1.35.0 ? |
| 15:36.53 | dawN` | hey, did anyone do a traceroute and have more than one inode in a line??? |
| 15:36.54 | burpi | let me try.. |
| 15:37.09 | wols_ | dawN`: what inodes in a traceroute output? |
| 15:37.10 | burpi | Package libboost-filesystem1.35.0 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 15:37.13 | burpi | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 15:37.15 | burpi | this error i get |
| 15:37.18 | burpi | is only available from another source |
| 15:37.21 | burpi | E: Package libboost-filesystem1.35.0 has no installation candidate |
| 15:37.26 | burpi | when i try apt-get install libboost-filesystem1.35.0 |
| 15:37.27 | nkuttler | lduros: stop the display manager? ctrl-alt-F1? |
| 15:37.31 | wols_ | ,versions libboost-filesystem1.35.0 |
| 15:37.33 | judd | Package libboost-filesystem1.35.0 on i386 -- lenny: 1.35.0-5 |
| 15:37.39 | lduros | nkuttler: thanks, would that allow me to restart x as well? |
| 15:37.42 | wols_ | burpi: show us your sources.list |
| 15:37.45 | dawN` | ips wols_ , normally one ip pro hop, i have 2-3 ips pro hop |
| 15:37.49 | lduros | nkuttler: and reload xorg.conf? |
| 15:37.49 | burpi | ok |
| 15:38.01 | daemonkeeper | Your system has most likely some messed up sources.list |
| 15:38.06 | burpi | root@promail:~/zar-final# cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:38.11 | burpi | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe |
| 15:38.11 | burpi | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-updates main restricted universe |
| 15:38.11 | burpi | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy-security main restricted universe |
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| 15:38.15 | wols_ | awesome! |
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| 15:38.15 | daemonkeeper | *sigh* |
| 15:38.16 | burpi | sorry |
| 15:38.20 | wols_ | burpi: you don't run debian |
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| 15:38.29 | burpi | no ? |
| 15:38.31 | lduros | nkuttler: i'll try. thanks |
| 15:38.34 | daemonkeeper | You run Ubuntu Hardy. |
| 15:38.42 | burpi | but.. |
| 15:38.43 | burpi | root@promail:~/zar-final# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:38.43 | burpi | lenny/sid |
| 15:38.44 | daemonkeeper | Ask in #ubuntu for help. This is #debian. |
| 15:38.47 | wols_ | burpi: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main is a big hint, don't you agree? |
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| 15:39.01 | burpi | mhm |
| 15:39.01 | daemonkeeper | burpi: Ubuntu has /etc/debian_version as well |
| 15:39.05 | burpi | oh |
| 15:39.07 | burpi | okay then |
| 15:39.12 | jhutchins_lt | It's possible he's installing hardy software on a debian system. |
| 15:39.14 | burpi | thanks, i;ll try to ask on ubntu then |
| 15:39.18 | daemonkeeper | Its a Debian derivative |
| 15:39.27 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: in which case he needs to reinstall |
| 15:39.32 | jhutchins_lt | Most likely. |
| 15:39.48 | jhutchins_lt | Strange that they would have a debian release name. |
| 15:39.52 | wols_ | burpi: fyi, hardy is EOL. ubuntu will tell you to reinstall too |
| 15:39.57 | daemonkeeper | wols_: Its not |
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| 15:40.15 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: That's by design. Ubuntu is based on a Debian Sid snapshot |
| 15:40.48 | wols_ | daemonkeeper: it is. tho he's lucky and can upgrade to 10.04 |
| 15:41.15 | wols_ | daemonkeeper: and this is probably why he can't find the library anymore. archives have been shut down |
| 15:41.29 | daemonkeeper | wols_: Hardy is supported until 2013, but well, we're in #debian here. |
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| 15:45.11 | Kharec | lo here. |
| 15:45.24 | Guest21397 | how can I create a pppoe connection in debian? |
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| 15:45.39 | Guest21397 | can anybody gie me a link or ... about it? |
| 15:45.47 | Guest21397 | give* |
| 15:45.58 | wols_ | Guest21397: install pppoeconf |
| 15:46.02 | wols_ | and run it of course |
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| 15:51.19 | Guest21397 | wols_: I installed it and I ran it, I have window -> All deices found? it found 3 ethernet deices eth0 vbox0 wlan0, should select yes or no? |
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| 15:52.04 | Guest21397 | I selected yes |
| 15:52.14 | totte | I'm trying to install Wordpress on my Debian server, but the wp-config.php file can't be created at the initial setup by the installation scripts - I need to do it manually. I'm the owner of all the files located in my user web folder (public_html), the folders are 755 and the files are 644. Later on I am unable to update or install plugins through the admin interface and need to do that manually as well. What's wrong? |
| 15:52.15 | wols_ | Guest21397: I don't know what devices you have and on which the pppoe connection hangs |
| 15:52.29 | totte | It worked flawlessly on my local MAMP stack. |
| 15:53.02 | wols_ | totte: apache runs as user www-data not as your user |
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| 15:53.31 | totte | wols_: But on my MAMP stack it runs as "daemon" and it worked anyway? |
| 15:53.31 | wols_ | so www-data needs write access for the file it needs to write to in your public_html folder |
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| 15:53.42 | wols_ | totte: what is "MAMP"? |
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| 15:54.12 | totte | apache2, MySQL, PHP bundle for local testing and development. |
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| 15:54.27 | nkuttler | totte: chown the install to www-data if you want wp to do things for you |
| 15:54.42 | wols_ | totte: that's nice but this probably runs under windows there. which means it's totally irrelevant for us here |
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| 15:55.31 | totte | wols_: Yeah, sorry. It's actually on a MacBook and the apache user is "daemon". |
| 15:55.43 | totte | nkuttler: Thanks. |
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| 15:57.38 | wols_ | nkuttler: it's better to have apache only write access where it really needs it, not a blanket "allow everything". especially for stuff like wordpress which has a security hole twice a week |
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| 15:59.01 | totte | wols_: Wordpress not being able to create and edit files is a good thing then? |
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| 16:00.12 | Tigerboy | totte: no he meant try to find the exact minimum wordpress needs. |
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| 16:01.16 | totte | Right, but would it be safer if the apache user had no write access to my public_html files? |
| 16:01.27 | Digdilem | wordpress has the details on its wiki, and a very busy irc channel. it's not really a debian thing imo |
| 16:01.33 | Tigerboy | totte: you can also run with a more complex apache setup but that is very difficult to set up. such as allowing to write only "as user" but no "everyone" |
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| 16:01.39 | JosefAssad | hi |
| 16:01.41 | FurryHead | Hi all! Is it possible to reasonably install Debian squeeze in <= 500mb of space? |
| 16:01.42 | wols_ | totte: wordpress only being able to write to its DB and read articles from there is a good thing yes |
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| 16:01.53 | FurryHead | (Just the OS. I have seperate areas for file storage) |
| 16:02.05 | Bushmills | FurryHead: depends on the features you need/want. but, yes |
| 16:02.05 | wols_ | totte: chowning to www-data gives you that write access. which I told you is a bad idea |
| 16:02.11 | wols_ | *gives apache2 that |
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| 16:02.25 | daemonkeeper | FurryHead: Sure. However you will need around a gig for a sensible system. |
| 16:02.27 | Digdilem | FurryHead, yes - but depends on what you install |
| 16:02.30 | totte | Tigerboy: wols_ Thank you, it may have been a bit offtopic but it's really helping me out in several other issues. |
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| 16:02.45 | FurryHead | Well, I want a minimal X server with GTK2 and JWM. Aside from that small indulgence, the rest of my software'll be command-line based |
| 16:02.54 | JosefAssad | quick question: I just installed debian squeeze. If I want to prevent release upgrades in the future, don't I need to rename the source lines in sources.list from squeeze to something else? |
| 16:02.59 | Guest21397 | wols_: installing pppoeconf completed, now should I create connection? |
| 16:03.06 | FurryHead | I'd need the gcc toolchain, python, perl, emacs and/or vim |
| 16:03.17 | daemonkeeper | FurryHead: X programs pull a lot of dependencies, so does the gcc toolchain. |
| 16:03.27 | FurryHead | (Post installing everything I need, I need it to fit under a gig total, software + os) |
| 16:03.34 | wols_ | FurryHead: don't think 500MB will suffice |
| 16:03.45 | daemonkeeper | FurryHead: A gig should be fine, 500M probably not. |
| 16:03.56 | FurryHead | I have only a 1.5GB hard drive to install debian on, and I need at least 500mb of dev space. |
| 16:04.05 | wols_ | FurryHead: why don't you create a VM in virtualbox, install debian there and see for yourself what you can shave off, etc? |
| 16:04.07 | Digdilem | 1.5 gb? you sure? |
| 16:04.14 | FurryHead | (dev space meaning space for all my dev files, not including gcc) |
| 16:04.18 | FurryHead | Digdilem: Positive. |
| 16:04.21 | wols_ | FurryHead: remember that things like logfiles, mail, etc can take up a lot of space |
| 16:04.30 | daemonkeeper | FurryHead: Don't partition then. |
| 16:04.37 | FurryHead | daemonkeeper: I don't. |
| 16:04.48 | FurryHead | It's one 1.5gb partition, taking the whole drive. |
| 16:05.06 | Digdilem | FurryHead, what's the scenario? Are you installing on something solid state? |
| 16:05.14 | daemonkeeper | FurryHead: You will be fine with 1.5G then. You will need around 2/3 of it for your system, use the rest as you wish. |
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| 16:05.28 | FurryHead | Digdilem: It's my internal drive. My old (40gb) hdd got fried, and I'm stuck with this one now. |
| 16:05.45 | FurryHead | I've built a really nice system around TinyCore linux, but it's starting to limit me in ways that I hadn't thought of. |
| 16:05.46 | Digdilem | i don't think i've ever seen a 1.5gb drive. |
| 16:05.51 | Digdilem | tb, sure |
| 16:06.13 | daemonkeeper | Consider getting a new disk. You will hardly find something with less than 250G for a few bucks. |
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| 16:06.55 | FurryHead | Okie dokie. I just didn't want to sit here doing a netinst for a few hours and find that I run out of room halfway through the install. |
| 16:06.59 | Bushmills | well, some external usb disks are still avaiable with 120 GiB or such |
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| 16:07.12 | FurryHead | Yeah, I have a 4gb flash but it's on a 1.1 usb speed. |
| 16:07.20 | FurryHead | But anyhow, thanks for the help! :) |
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| 16:07.38 | Guest21397 | wols_: pppoe configurations complete, what should I do now? |
| 16:07.48 | daemonkeeper | .oO( Too bad, MrFood isn't around, he would love FurryHead's system ) |
| 16:07.57 | wols_ | Guest21397: read the documentation |
| 16:08.03 | Tigerboy | furryhead: Check this page out for some idea of space needs in deb- http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-partitioning.en.html there are also tiny deb distros you can find. |
| 16:08.20 | FurryHead | Sweet, thanks Tigerboy |
| 16:08.20 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: Potato? |
| 16:08.20 | Bushmills | my wlan router has 2 GiB :) on usb2 stick, that is |
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| 16:08.36 | Guest21397 | wols_: do you have a link about it? |
| 16:08.49 | wols_ | Guest21397: /usr/share/doc/pppoeconf |
| 16:09.12 | Tigerboy | tiny distros: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/26480 |
| 16:09.22 | Digdilem | is surrounded by old pata and sata drives of <300gb that have been relegated as archive since they're too small to bother putting in a server now |
| 16:09.31 | daemonkeeper | Tigerboy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apc.html.en is probably a /bit/ more recent. |
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| 16:09.51 | jhutchins_lt | Digdilem: You only need a few gig for a desktop. |
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| 16:10.14 | Digdilem | jhutchins, my servers tend to run cctv or file servers. small drives are not cost effective to run |
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| 16:10.34 | jhutchins_lt | Digdilem: Right, i said desktop. |
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| 16:10.41 | Digdilem | aye. I said servers :) |
| 16:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | I was getting refurbished 40g's last time I was building POS terminals. |
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| 16:11.16 | Tigerboy | tiny core linux I think fits on just 10mb |
| 16:11.24 | FurryHead | Tigerboy: That's what I Iuse now. |
| 16:11.24 | Digdilem | i have 40gb's still spinning in desktops today. no point upgrading |
| 16:11.38 | jhutchins_lt | There's also emdebian |
| 16:11.49 | Tigerboy | but obviously you can't get all the latest packages. I used to think 10 gig was great for root but now I seem to fill that up quick |
| 16:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | !emdebian |
| 16:11.57 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:12.05 | Digdilem | i remember my first 20mb 5.25" full heigh mfm/rll hard drive. Perform a butterfly seek test on that and it would walk the entire machine across the desk. |
| 16:12.06 | FurryHead | 787mb - that's all my dev files, plus all the software I use |
| 16:12.11 | FurryHead | (787mb is how much it takes up |
| 16:12.12 | FurryHead | ) |
| 16:12.16 | Tigerboy | but you can set up a solid small system |
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| 16:12.56 | Tigerboy | cool and make sure you clear apt-get (or similar) package files really helps |
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| 16:18.33 | blinki | hi, I'm about to start using mythtv to manage a media collection; is there a better way to do this than scripting it manually to startx? |
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| 16:20.19 | jhutchins_lt | !mythtv |
| 16:20.19 | dpkg | MythTV is software to turn a Linux box into a complete multi-media entertainment recording and playback center supporting - given the right hardware - TV, movies, music, and more. Not in Debian due to <non-free> parts (BTS #311367, #570611); unofficial packages can be found in <debian-multimedia>. For tuner card information, ask me about <dvb>, <ivtv>, <bttv>. http://www.mythtv.org/ #mythtv-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:24.39 | FurryHead | Thanks all! Be back some other time/day, once I've backed up my files and installed debian :) |
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| 16:28.19 | tdrusk | I have a ssh based question. is it okay to ask it here? |
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| 16:30.20 | ws2k33 | dont ask to ask just ask |
| 16:30.24 | anoob | hi, i've installed some php packages (wordpress, and so on) and i need to create a symbolic link under /var/www/ to use the applications... is this the right way to run php applications installed under apt or there are another way to do that? thanks |
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| 16:31.13 | ws2k33 | anoob do u not visit them in ur web browseR? |
| 16:31.26 | ws2k33 | or what are you trying to do |
| 16:31.29 | tdrusk | Is there any way to force ssh to prompt me with "Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?" every time? Through an argument or something? |
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| 16:32.23 | ompaul | tdrusk: ehhhhhhh you could write a script wrapper that you invoke which does that but are you asking that it should ignore the keys in place every time? |
| 16:32.51 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.52 | anoob | ws2k33, doing what i said work... i just want to know if there is a better way to do that |
| 16:33.10 | blinki | jhutchins_lt: I have another question then. I would like to start an X program directly from the cli, automatically on each boot in rc5, should I attempt to make my own xinitrc file and cron something to restart it or do you know of a trivial way to get it done without installing anything else |
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| 16:33.56 | ws2k33 | anoob what do u mean with symbolic links... do u wanne seprate ur php applications for the public or? |
| 16:34.25 | blinki | know of an easy way without a display manager |
| 16:34.41 | bzed | tdrusk: ssh -oStrictHostKeyChecking=yes |
| 16:34.53 | bzed | tdrusk: (or set that option in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 16:35.02 | bzed | tdrusk: see man ssh_config |
| 16:35.04 | anoob | ok, let me clear the question, sorry... |
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| 16:35.12 | anoob | i've installed wordpress (aptitude install wordpress) |
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| 16:35.25 | anoob | then i've made ln -s /wp-dir/ /var/www |
| 16:35.42 | azlon | what is the difference between sites-enabled and sites-available in httpd? |
| 16:35.44 | bzed | anoob: usually most apps install a config snipped into /etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 16:35.44 | anoob | now i can access wp using my favorite browser (ff) |
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| 16:36.21 | tdrusk | bzed: that still doesn't prompt me. hmm... |
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| 16:36.35 | bzed | tdrusk: remove the key from you .known_hosts and try again |
| 16:36.35 | anoob | bzed, so, i don't need to do "ln -s ..." |
| 16:36.40 | bzed | tdrusk: it won't be added |
| 16:37.04 | bzed | anoob: depend son the appication. see if there is a config already and/or look in /usr/share/doc/${packagename} |
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| 16:37.16 | bzed | there might be some howto on how to set things up |
| 16:37.57 | bzed | tdrusk: (at least I think so :)) |
| 16:37.59 | anoob | bzed, ws2k33, thank you (Y) |
| 16:38.08 | blinki | thinking I might just use xdm and then auto login. seems cleaner to use a display manager |
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| 16:38.30 | tdrusk | After rm ~/.ssh/* and running the command I get "No RSA host key is known for XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX and you have requested strict checking." |
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| 16:39.25 | ompaul | tdrusk: and so you have to check - it must ask if you do that rm |
| 16:39.37 | ompaul | tdrusk: so this is expected behaviour |
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| 16:40.39 | ompaul | tdrusk: it might be better rather than me trying to guess how you want to operate you would pastebin a sample with ips or hosts changed to help and key changes etc so you can say this is what happens and here is what I want |
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| 16:41.37 | TBotNik | All: Good morning again! Still working on my networking problem. Have write up at : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11077394#post11077394 or consult your log from chat. :) |
| 16:41.51 | tdrusk | ompaul: okay, so where would I post this? |
| 16:41.54 | ws2k33 | in sites-enabled i have make a vhost on port 83 and i have have done apache2 reload but its till unavailble soembody? |
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| 16:42.37 | ompaul | tdrusk: paste.debian.net |
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| 16:42.49 | daGrevis | How to install better drivers for 'ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]' ? |
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| 16:44.10 | tdrusk | ompaul: I am confused. You want me to pastebin my script with the desired output, then post it where? |
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| 16:44.23 | dpkg | Plazma-Blooowz: what are you talking about? |
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| 16:44.45 | nyuszika7h | dpkg: it's spam, ignore it. |
| 16:44.45 | dpkg | nyuszika7h: are you using Windows? |
| 16:44.49 | nyuszika7h | dpkg: nope. |
| 16:44.49 | dpkg | yes |
| 16:44.57 | daemonkeeper | nyuszika7h: dpkg is a bot. |
| 16:44.58 | bzed | dpkg: nyuszika7h uses windows. |
| 16:44.58 | dpkg | bzed: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:45.15 | nyuszika7h | No, I don't use Windows. |
| 16:45.24 | nyuszika7h | I use Arch Linux, and Debian on my friend's shell. |
| 16:45.27 | ws2k33 | in sites-enabled i have make a vhost on port 83 and i have have done apache2 reload but its till unavailble somebody? |
| 16:45.35 | ompaul | trbs: I want you to document your requirements so I can try to work out what your question, and more important your requirements are |
| 16:45.45 | daemonkeeper | ws2k33: You want to add port 83 to the ports.conf. |
| 16:46.15 | ws2k33 | nope |
| 16:46.25 | daemonkeeper | ws2k33: And read the Apache documentation. It clearly states, adding a port to a <virtualhost> clause does not cause it to listen on that port. |
| 16:46.32 | ws2k33 | but i didnt add port 81 other and that works to.. |
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| 16:49.27 | ws2k33 | i made a vhost on port 81 and i didnt add that to ports.conf ether. |
| 16:49.51 | daemonkeeper | Do whatever you want. If you know it better ... |
| 16:50.12 | ws2k33 | no thats not what i'm trying to say |
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| 16:50.25 | ws2k33 | i are saying that if i wanne do it right i just need to add the ports to ports.conf? |
| 16:50.55 | daemonkeeper | You do. Read the note box if you don't trust me: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.1/mod/core.html#virtualhost |
| 16:51.18 | ws2k33 | no ofcrouse i trust u |
| 16:51.19 | daemonkeeper | Whether you do it in ports.conf or not, does not matter. But you /do/ need to add a "Listen" directive for port 83. |
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| 16:51.45 | daGrevis | Anyone have any ideas how to get better drivers for ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]? |
| 16:52.21 | ompaul | daGrevis: are you using the debian drivers at this time? |
| 16:53.04 | daGrevis | ompaul, I think that yes. I haven't install anything new. |
| 16:53.33 | ompaul | daGrevis: if you install the ATI stuff you are on your own if it breaks we don't support it at all ever never etc |
| 16:54.01 | Bushmills | daGrevis: you acquire AMD, then instruct the development team to focus on linux driver development |
| 16:54.21 | daGrevis | ompaul, okay. What opinions do I have? To stay with current drivers or to install ATI ones? Nothing else? |
| 16:54.32 | Bushmills | you want to GPL them, of course, that way you're eventually likely to receive support for them here |
| 16:54.56 | daGrevis | Bushmills, I have almost no idea what are you talking about. |
| 16:55.08 | daGrevis | I'm still newb. ) |
| 16:55.23 | Bushmills | well, then the chances are slim that better supported drivers will be coming that way |
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| 16:57.34 | daGrevis | ompaul, Bushmills : what are my options? Can I install something that will make my video card work better? I would love to use Compiz. |
| 16:57.58 | err404 | hello, I have Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG , I get firmware ipw2x00, but how to load this firmware without reboot ? |
| 16:58.25 | daGrevis | err404, modprobe firmware_name |
| 16:58.29 | ompaul | daGrevis: stay from ATI or go away we don't do it |
| 16:58.39 | err404 | daGrevis, merci |
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| 16:59.28 | daGrevis | ompaul, okay. I wont install ATI. does Im able to run Compiz? |
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| 17:00.00 | ompaul | daGrevis: not at this time |
| 17:00.16 | daGrevis | ompaul, I need to wait something? |
| 17:00.29 | ompaul | hell freezing over ime |
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| 17:00.39 | ompaul | or work on the drivers with those who are working on them |
| 17:00.50 | ompaul | if that means learning stuff then learn it ;-) |
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| 17:02.07 | Bushmills | actually, the GL requirements of compiz aren't that high - i'm running it nicely with mesa and a meagre intel N10 chipset |
| 17:02.34 | Bushmills | not sure what is needed for and from the ATI cards when using the standard driver, though |
| 17:02.45 | grmrgecko | Anyone in here knows why the VPN is failing here? http://pastebin.com/PqVNbTWy |
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| 17:02.56 | grmrgecko | Am I missing a port that I need to open on the router? |
| 17:03.26 | grmrgecko | I opened 500, 4500, 1701, 1723. |
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| 17:12.21 | ompaul | Bushmills: afik it is a good bit more |
| 17:12.51 | ompaul | grmrgecko: what kind of VPN |
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| 17:13.22 | ompaul | sqlserver ... thats an ms product is it not? |
| 17:13.37 | ompaul | so that is not the vpn that is something else |
| 17:13.42 | wols_ | ompaul: usually yes, but you note how ambigous the naming is |
| 17:13.51 | grmrgecko | ompaul: xl2tpd |
| 17:13.57 | grmrgecko | SQLSever is the server's name |
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| 17:14.21 | sultan | anybody can give me a hint, how to modify the boot priority to the 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64' entry in grub2? |
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| 17:14.28 | sultan | http://paste2.org/p/1537551 |
| 17:14.40 | xingu | grmrgecko: not all l2tp clients support NAT-T |
| 17:14.53 | xingu | grmrgecko: android's, for instance, is hideously broken. |
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| 17:15.07 | grmrgecko | xingu: This is the Mac OS X VPN settings. |
| 17:15.12 | grmrgecko | for the client |
| 17:15.16 | Black_Prince | #debian :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 17:15.50 | grmrgecko | If this server won't work with OS X and Windows 7, it's not the server for me. |
| 17:16.07 | grmrgecko | Can you suggest one for me? |
| 17:16.20 | Black_Prince | !ops Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 17:16.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: black_prince complains about: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 17:16.21 | ompaul | grmrgecko: if "this server" what is "this server"? openvpn is what I use and it just works |
| 17:16.42 | LoRez | Black_Prince: you seem to have joined it just fine |
| 17:16.45 | grmrgecko | ompaul: I said it's xl2tpd |
| 17:16.55 | RichiH | what LoRez said |
| 17:17.05 | grmrgecko | I know I could use OpenVPN but that requires installation. |
| 17:17.07 | Black_Prince | LoRez, yes, after I identified. Most new users don't even know what that means. |
| 17:17.11 | grmrgecko | on the clients |
| 17:17.21 | LoRez | Black_Prince: +r or spam, pick one. |
| 17:17.24 | daemonkeeper | Black_Prince: This was intentionally set before. |
| 17:17.55 | Black_Prince | I pick spam :) |
| 17:18.03 | nyuszika7h | Black_Prince: you just caused useless masshilight with that. |
| 17:18.23 | ompaul | grmrgecko: ok let me be very explicit - I know nothing of your software, nor am I about to learn it, I am suggesting if it doesn't work for you then you can move (as you said yourself if it isn't working then it is not for you) so openvpn |
| 17:18.25 | Black_Prince | Anyways, I just told ... I don't even care for this channel |
| 17:19.21 | xingu | grmrgecko: do you have nat_traversal=yes in /etc/ipsec.conf just out of interest? |
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| 17:19.27 | grmrgecko | ompaul: I could use OpenVPN, but as I said it requires installation on the clients machine which I do not know if the clients would be wanting that. |
| 17:19.31 | grmrgecko | xingu: Yes |
| 17:20.06 | grmrgecko | ompaul: Also, I was thinking if it can work on an iPhone without jailbreaking, I could use my iPod to fix issues remotely |
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| 17:20.19 | xingu | grmrgecko: then forwarding udp=500 and udp=4500 should suffice for l2tp+ipsec. |
| 17:21.04 | grmrgecko | xingu: They are forwarded, however the OS X client cannot connect. |
| 17:21.49 | xingu | grmrgecko: good luck. :) you'll need to ramp up the verbosity on your iked, l2tpd, and explore the bowels of what's happening on the wire with tcpdump/wireshark to unpick it |
| 17:22.28 | xingu | grmrgecko: getting a vpn concentrator to work behind a NAT gateway isn't straightforward. |
| 17:22.45 | grmrgecko | that may be the issue then |
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| 17:23.04 | xingu | grmrgecko: needless to say the traffic should be tunnelled over udp4500 (that's the whole point of nat-t) when it works |
| 17:23.26 | xingu | grmrgecko: if you start seeing ipproto=esp then some part of the negotiation isn't |
| 17:24.46 | daGrevis | ompaul, so, you dont suggest this ( http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ) ? |
| 17:25.49 | ompaul | daGrevis: correct and this channel does not suppor that |
| 17:25.59 | grmrgecko | xingu: I guess I'll just give up and try OpenVPN. |
| 17:26.11 | grmrgecko | I have already configured a lot of it |
| 17:27.26 | daGrevis | ompaul, okay. |
| 17:29.03 | daGrevis | ompaul, but Debian should support it, because its Debian page! http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 17:29.10 | daGrevis | wiki.debian.org |
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| 17:33.57 | xingu | grmrgecko: I have largescale osx _server_ acting as l2tp/ipsec behind nat fyi, so it's technologically possible; but it's easier to not do it, to give the vpn concentrator arin space. |
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| 17:34.01 | ompaul | daGrevis: it is not free software, if you want to you can nobody is going to stop you. |
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| 17:39.07 | barf | Which package to install to get dig working? |
| 17:39.55 | Bushmills | barf, dnsutils |
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| 17:41.13 | Bushmills | !tell barf about apt-file |
| 17:42.49 | barf | thanks |
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| 17:50.56 | barf | I got alot of digicameras and other stuff when searching |
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| 17:53.55 | nkuttler | barf: | grep dig$ |
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| 17:55.10 | everythingWorks | how do i check if i do have a 32 or 64 bit os? |
| 17:55.23 | dvs | uname -a |
| 17:55.28 | Digdilem | everythingWorks, uname -a might give a clue |
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| 17:55.34 | wols_ | everythingWorks: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 17:55.47 | daemonkeeper | uname -a is not really helpful |
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| 17:56.08 | wols_ | daemonkeeper: it can be. if you have a i386 kernel it is. but it's not really good, yes |
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| 17:56.59 | everythingWorks | huh, thanks:D |
| 17:57.11 | everythingWorks | just "uname" is most helpful: "Linux" :D |
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| 17:57.26 | daemonkeeper | uname -a |
| 17:57.48 | barf | hmm, I tried | grep ^dig |
| 17:57.50 | everythingWorks | yeah, ive read it, saying.. |
| 17:57.51 | daemonkeeper | But dpkg-architecture is more precise |
| 17:58.08 | everythingWorks | whats a good irc client for debian by the way? |
| 17:58.18 | wols_ | everythingWorks: irssi |
| 17:58.36 | nkuttler | irssi++ |
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| 17:59.37 | MikeH | Hi, I'm trying to add a forward rule to an Easy Firewall Generator generated iptables script |
| 17:59.50 | MikeH | Incoming interface is eth1, outgoing is eth0 - I think what I have is wrong? http://pastebin.com/hPaY4gD1 |
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| 18:01.59 | wols_ | MikeH: the -d parameter isn't necessary IIRC. apart from that it looks fine to my untrained eye |
| 18:02.08 | valdyn | MikeH: if you use -I insead of -A then we dont have to see the whole list of rules |
| 18:02.34 | valdyn | MikeH: but if you use -A then its the last rule, which means wed have to look at all preceding rules |
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| 18:03.14 | ompaul | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and a sysctl.conf file tweek to make that full time |
| 18:03.20 | ompaul | MikeH: and I didn't look at your rules |
| 18:03.49 | MikeH | root@storm:~# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:03.50 | MikeH | 1 |
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| 18:04.15 | valdyn | MikeH: try again with -I and come back.. |
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| 18:06.16 | MikeH | no such luck |
| 18:06.36 | MikeH | does it make any difference that incoming is on eth1, yet the internal address is on eth0 |
| 18:06.46 | MikeH | or is that a routing concern rather than iptables? |
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| 18:07.16 | valdyn | MikeH: its not a routing concern if you can reach 192.168.1.3 |
| 18:07.29 | MikeH | yes, I can just fine. Just making sure :) |
| 18:07.53 | MikeH | To be honest, I've no idea what is going on with this - I used an online script generator to setup the initial rules because I was being lazy |
| 18:08.01 | valdyn | MikeH: if this doesnt work with -I show your tables -> "iptables --list" |
| 18:08.23 | MikeH | wow, that's slow |
| 18:09.04 | MikeH | http://pastebin.com/etnuT9Lg |
| 18:09.29 | MikeH | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere 192.168.1.3 tcp dpt:http-alt |
| 18:09.33 | MikeH | the rule appears to be there |
| 18:11.13 | Bushmills | MikeH: you have enabled ip_forward? |
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| 18:12.07 | valdyn | MikeH: iptables -t nat --list |
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| 18:14.24 | stew | MikeH: if that is slow, add -n to the iptables --list command |
| 18:15.05 | Miesco | Is there a wine package in wheezy? |
| 18:15.08 | Miesco | ,versions wine |
| 18:15.08 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 18:15.20 | Miesco | No!? |
| 18:15.25 | Miesco | What why |
| 18:16.52 | stew | Miesco: http://packages.qa.debian.org/wine should tell you why |
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| 18:17.01 | Miesco | /open/url 2 |
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| 18:17.46 | stew | Miesco: because of this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623923 |
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| 18:18.21 | cosmos2 | hi folks |
| 18:18.31 | cosmos2 | concearning the sound issue on the ibm 380Z: |
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| 18:18.58 | Bushmills | "helping out" may mean "if you need it very hard, fix it" :) |
| 18:19.05 | cosmos2 | I#ve reinstalled the alsa stuf and the most important: I've disable the quick boot on the bios |
| 18:19.15 | cosmos2 | Now the sound works correctly |
| 18:19.39 | cosmos2 | bye |
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| 18:20.28 | Miesco | Whats the best way to get wine then for wheezy? |
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| 18:21.10 | Bushmills | wait | solve problems |
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| 18:23.39 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.44 | MikeH | valdyn, iptables -t nat --list |
| 18:24.11 | MikeH | Bushmills, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:24.11 | MikeH | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.14 | MikeH | err |
| 18:24.18 | MikeH | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/QiJWgwsD |
| 18:24.21 | Bushmills | MikeH: good |
| 18:24.27 | MikeH | it seems to be setup |
| 18:24.30 | MikeH | just not physically working |
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| 18:25.02 | MikeH | externally I get connection refused |
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| 18:26.34 | Miesco | Can I get wine on wheezy? |
| 18:28.34 | Bushmills | !give Miesco a cookie |
| 18:28.34 | dpkg | gives Miesco a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 18:28.35 | Seth_Hikaru__ | gives Miesco some unlocked Grenades *BOOM* |
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| 18:30.50 | Miesco | configure: error: no suitable flex found. Please install the 'flex' package. |
| 18:31.26 | wols_ | Miesco: don't you live descriptive error messages? |
| 18:31.47 | nemosis | hi all...relatively new ubuntu user, trying to set up debian as a server for the first...prolly have some questions soon... |
| 18:31.52 | Bushmills | the message doesn't really detail *how* to install something |
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| 18:35.04 | wols_ | Bushmills: whiner! |
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| 18:35.48 | amo-ej1 | i need to rebuild a single kernel module, so it just apt-get source the kernel source, copy over my config from boot, make the change in the config which I need, how do I then trigger the module build in a debian-pleasing way ? |
| 18:35.53 | Bushmills | always room for improvement |
| 18:36.31 | amo-ej1 | when doing it the naive way i end up with no_symbol_version for module_layout errors |
| 18:36.34 | Bushmills | !make-kpkg |
| 18:36.34 | dpkg | make-kpkg is probably the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 18:37.08 | Bushmills | !m-a |
| 18:37.08 | dpkg | module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
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| 18:37.24 | amo-ej1 | well, no i don't want to compile a kernel, i just want this single module ;) |
| 18:37.45 | amo-ej1 | and module-assistent is (afaik) for non-standard module not part of the regular tree due to gpl-issues |
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| 18:38.49 | Bushmills | http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
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| 18:39.48 | everythingWorks | how do i create a desktop link to a terminal? |
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| 18:40.17 | Bushmills | i mostly ran make modules modules_install but you asked for debian pleasing way |
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| 18:40.53 | patrik83 | hi, i just want to ask if there is any way how to setup my own location (local directory) to be used for delivering local messages. I want to use maildir format . Executing dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config I am able to configure whether mbox or maildir format will be used and that is all. I have tried to edit /etc/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_mail_spool but with no success. When I opened /etc/login.defs it says I should use |
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| 18:41.03 | amo-ej1 | well i ran just a make of the module |
| 18:41.14 | amo-ej1 | but that doesn't please debian, in terms that the version magic is screwed up |
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| 18:43.13 | amo-ej1 | and module-assistant doesn't cope with module which do not come shipped as source packages |
| 18:43.36 | patrik83 | Of course, if I choose maildir in exim, it creates directory ~/Maildir in my home folder. But first of all I hate upper case directory names and the other thing is I want to use ~/.maildir . |
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| 18:51.07 | giwe | How do I get photos out of my canon powershot camera via usb? |
| 18:51.24 | nemosis | giwe, copy and paste? |
| 18:51.36 | ksk | can u tell it to behave like an external disk? |
| 18:51.40 | giwe | I don't get a folder |
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| 18:51.46 | ksk | some devices do use some "windows blafoo mode" per default |
| 18:51.47 | wols_ | giwe: most canons mount as a mass storage device |
| 18:51.48 | zineder | howdy guys |
| 18:51.52 | ksk | ah okay. |
| 18:52.01 | zineder | can i resize an ext2/3 volume without umounting it first? |
| 18:52.03 | giwe | it is not mounting |
| 18:52.13 | wols_ | giwe: have you checked your kernel messages to see as what the kernel sees your canon? |
| 18:52.14 | giwe | do I need a module or something? |
| 18:52.21 | wols_ | zineder: no |
| 18:52.22 | giwe | yes |
| 18:52.27 | giwe | it detects the camera |
| 18:52.32 | wols_ | giwe: and what does the kernel say? |
| 18:53.03 | giwe | just a sec |
| 18:53.13 | berarma | giwe: have you tried gphoto? |
| 18:53.20 | zineder | wols_: damn, still thanks |
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| 18:54.48 | zineder | another question: i want to use perf from linux-tools to perf an application's io usage only? i've seen a can limit with -e like with strace, but i'm not sure which keys to correctly filter for to only get IO to harddrives.. |
| 18:54.54 | giwe | usb 2-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
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| 18:55.25 | giwe | usb 2-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 18:55.42 | giwe | but I don't get any sda or sdb after that |
| 18:56.24 | giwe | Is gphoto the best way to get the photos out of a camera these days? |
| 18:57.23 | wols_ | giwe: every decent camera mounts as a mass storage device, so: no. |
| 18:57.30 | berarma | giwe: it can be if the camera doesn't behave as a standard mass storage device |
| 18:57.52 | giwe | it is a powershot SX1 |
| 18:58.08 | giwe | do I need to have automount installed? |
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| 18:59.34 | giwe | I see all of the vendor numbers, serial number of the camera in the dmesg but I don't know now how to mount it. |
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| 19:00.06 | wols_ | no. if you could mount it the kernel would show a "sdX" you could mount |
| 19:00.20 | giwe | I see |
| 19:00.26 | giwe | I don't see the sdX... |
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| 19:00.48 | giwe | usb library missing? |
| 19:00.52 | giwe | kernel module missing? |
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| 19:01.18 | frikinz | libgphoto2 sometimes helps for camera that doesnt show as mass storage like my canon |
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| 19:02.12 | giwe | installing libgphoto2-dev now then |
| 19:02.39 | valdyn | giwe: that makes sense why? |
| 19:02.51 | frikinz | giwe: try shotwell |
| 19:03.18 | valdyn | giwe: is this debian with an actual debian kernel? |
| 19:03.38 | giwe | libgphoto2-dev made no difference in the dmesg. trying now shotwell |
| 19:03.53 | valdyn | giwe: this is useless |
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| 19:04.15 | giwe | so what do you suggest valdyn? |
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| 19:04.25 | giwe | I used to be able to connect with lenny |
| 19:04.28 | valdyn | giwe: get type and brand of your camera and google |
| 19:04.33 | berarma | giwe: use shotwell or any photo viewer that uses libgphoto2 as backend |
| 19:04.36 | ompaul | giwe: put all of the the contents of lsusb into paste.debian.net |
| 19:04.36 | frikinz | giwe: try shotwell |
| 19:04.38 | giwe | it broke with squeeze |
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| 19:05.18 | joiguru | i am tyring to use xterm -S option. it seems xterm is writing an integer (3600024) at the begining of the session. any idea what it is ? |
| 19:05.30 | giwe | k let me try shotwell and then I check next lsusb |
| 19:05.41 | valdyn | giwe: or get someone else to google for you, im sure this problem was solved by someone else already |
| 19:06.38 | ompaul | joiguru: what is your full xterm -S command line |
| 19:06.50 | Gokee2 | So... A bit of a silly question.... Where is the login box on the Debian forums? I have been searching for a good ten minutes and cannot find a login or register link (though I found the registration area from Google). |
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| 19:06.59 | giwe | humn |
| 19:07.05 | giwe | shotwell seems to be reading it. |
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| 19:07.16 | joiguru | ompaul, xterm -S2/3 |
| 19:07.20 | valdyn | Gokee2: which debian forums? |
| 19:07.26 | Gokee2 | http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 19:07.47 | valdyn | Gokee2: top right theres "Register" |
| 19:07.55 | joiguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.59 | craigevil | right hand side where it says login :) |
| 19:08.01 | giwe | it definitely is. thanks. |
| 19:08.02 | wols_ | and right besides register is the link "Login" |
| 19:08.19 | devil | Gokee2: you need a good optician :) |
| 19:08.24 | valdyn | Gokee2: how the hell did you manage to get on irc ;) |
| 19:08.27 | ompaul | joiguru: aye, I know the command, I was just curious if it was being typed right :) |
| 19:08.36 | Gokee2 | Top right is blue? |
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| 19:08.53 | valdyn | Gokee2: whats your browser? |
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| 19:08.59 | devil | gonzzor: do you see search, top right? |
| 19:09.03 | giwe | mounting as usb storage would be nice too though. |
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| 19:09.11 | wols_ | Gokee2: top right there is a search box? or are you using some "super" browser which filters everything including content? |
| 19:09.18 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Firefox, from Debian stable |
| 19:09.30 | Gokee2 | wols_, No search box here... |
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| 19:09.42 | ompaul | Gokee2: what browser are you using? |
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| 19:09.45 | wols_ | Gokee2: any fancy addons like noscript? |
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| 19:10.10 | Gokee2 | Iceweasel *** 3.5.16-5 0 |
| 19:11.11 | valdyn | that one works |
| 19:11.19 | knapper_tech | having trouble disabling ping responses. should sysctl -p normally enable settings added to /etc/syctl.conf? |
| 19:12.41 | grmrgecko | Ok, so I found out why it is not working… I get an error for starting NAT-T http://pastebin.com/W17S9ct0 |
| 19:12.53 | Gokee2 | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/debianforums.png/ <-- Am I missing something? |
| 19:12.56 | grmrgecko | just don't know what it means |
| 19:14.14 | Gokee2 | Ah! Lots of interesting stuff in Arora! |
| 19:14.47 | ompaul | Gokee2: you are --- on the line with FAQ there should also be register and login |
| 19:15.26 | Gokee2 | Ya, I see it in Arora |
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| 19:22.06 | ompaul | joiguru: no joy at all |
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| 19:24.57 | joiguru | ompaul, :) |
| 19:25.50 | knapper_tech | wow...cannot disable ping for the life of me |
| 19:25.59 | knapper_tech | icmp requests. |
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| 19:27.52 | Miesco | Can I get wine on wheezy? |
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| 19:28.33 | knapper_tech | weird. none of my settings in sysctl seem to be active in the /proc/sys/net area |
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| 19:28.59 | knapper_tech | machine was just rebooted and all the settings in sysctl should be disabling at least a few things |
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| 19:43.41 | TBotNik1 | Testing |
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| 19:51.03 | jamesd | thinks #debian must be a church or a furneral.. i have never seen 1119 people be this quiet outside of a church. |
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| 19:52.48 | devil | jamesd: its a feature, not a bug |
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| 19:53.34 | Bushmills | silence is a good sign: few problems |
| 19:54.05 | ongolaBoy | jamesd: :) |
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| 19:55.36 | eflynn | Why is the CONFIG_CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE kernel option on by default? What is the purpose of optimizing for size versus optimizing for performance? |
| 19:57.26 | eflynn | ah, this seems to answer it: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-426575-start-0.html |
| 19:58.38 | joiguru | ompaul, it seems that xterm writes its window id |
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| 20:11.11 | Ramosa | using file browser, how do I "Open Terminal Here" ? |
| 20:12.44 | ompaul | cd path/to/place xterm or terminal app of your choice |
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| 20:14.05 | Ramosa | hmm, i was looking for a shortcut for that with mouse |
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| 20:14.13 | Ramosa | when im in a folder by GUI |
| 20:14.51 | craigevil | on dolphin its under tools, just look under the various options on the toolbar |
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| 20:18.28 | Ramosa | hmm no such thing |
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| 20:18.50 | Bushmills | in nautilius under file -> open in terminal |
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| 20:22.23 | Ramosa | dont have that option under file :) |
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| 20:22.44 | Ramosa | latest debian network install |
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| 20:23.10 | Matias_ | can be Debian closing socket connections? |
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| 20:23.59 | Matias_ | I don't think my router is doing so but I still have errors with an application, it says the connection was reset |
| 20:24.14 | valdyn | Matias_: timeout? |
| 20:24.43 | Bushmills | Ramosa: maybe you haven't installed it |
| 20:24.56 | Matias_ | no, it's using it constantly, valdyn |
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| 20:26.06 | Ramosa | Bushmills, nautilus? but then what am I using now? |
| 20:26.14 | Bushmills | nautilus-open-terminal |
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| 20:31.59 | Matias_ | is there any way to know if Debian is closing the connections? |
| 20:32.08 | barf | After I install debian 6 from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso with only ssh server option |
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| 20:32.40 | barf | What is the smallest GUI possible to install with as less packages as possible? |
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| 20:33.02 | valdyn | !wayttd barf |
| 20:33.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, barf? |
| 20:33.04 | Ramosa | Bushmills, yep that worked, thanks! |
| 20:33.06 | furryhead_pup | Need help with Debian squeeze netinst... Grub doesn't like booting from my hard drive, so I have to boot grub (always) from a floppy. However, I can't find where debian kept it's menu.lst on the hard drive (or it's equivalent). Any ideas, or does anyone know what boot line options are needed to boot up debian? |
| 20:33.35 | furryhead_pup | When I just used the kernel/initrd, it complained about the root partition not having /sbin/init |
| 20:33.38 | barf | I am trying to install a small desktop debian distro on a 1 GB SSD inside a Samsung Syncmaster 400PXn |
| 20:34.13 | valdyn | barf: dont use debian for this |
| 20:34.40 | barf | are there any other linux distros with apt that spends less space? |
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| 20:35.03 | furryhead_pup | You see, there is no /boot/grub/menu.lst - that's my confusion |
| 20:35.42 | furryhead_pup | Do I need to install a newer version of grub on my floppy? |
| 20:36.04 | valdyn | furryhead_pup: what about /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
| 20:37.06 | furryhead_pup | valdyn: That's there, but I couldn't get my grub floppy to recognize it. |
| 20:37.23 | furryhead_pup | (Do I need to update my floppy's version of grub to v2?) |
| 20:37.37 | valdyn | furryhead_pup: yes |
| 20:38.05 | furryhead_pup | Well, that just sucks. I don't know if puppy linux has grub v2 available |
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| 20:38.30 | valdyn | furryhead_pup: but you can boot debian with just the floppy and no grub on hd |
| 20:38.50 | furryhead_pup | I tried that, it didn't work. |
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| 20:39.15 | furryhead_pup | (grub doesn't like my hard drive for some reason, it just freezes at "grub loading...", so I use a floppy instead( |
| 20:39.16 | furryhead_pup | )) |
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| 20:39.34 | roland- | where did you get it? |
| 20:39.37 | roland- | the floppy I mean |
| 20:40.03 | furryhead_pup | roland-: Homeade, w/ grub v1 |
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| 20:40.42 | roland- | no, I mean... the floppy itself |
| 20:40.51 | roland- | curious where can I find a floppy in 2011 |
| 20:40.52 | roland- | :P |
| 20:41.08 | furryhead_pup | Uhhh.... Sitting in my computer closet. (I have a _lot_ of old computer junk) |
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| 20:41.40 | furryhead_pup | >.< I can't get grub v2 to install. |
| 20:41.45 | relix | Hi, my root partition just ran out of inodes (960K) and I can't figure out why - is it normal for a root partition to use up 960K inodes? |
| 20:41.57 | furryhead_pup | Would anyone mind making a floppy image of grub v2, and uploading it? :D |
| 20:42.03 | relix | the /home is on another partition |
| 20:42.17 | relix | already rebooted and did an fsck but no change |
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| 20:42.55 | valdyn | relix: why do you have so few inodes? |
| 20:43.15 | barf | computer dropped dead on me |
| 20:43.48 | furryhead_pup | Brb - I think I figured out what kernel option I'm missing (root=) to boot debian, in which case I can install grub v2 to my floppy from there. |
| 20:43.51 | furryhead_pup | cya in a bit |
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| 20:46.07 | relix | valdyn: I have no idea, I created the partition with 15GB and this was probably the default inode count |
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| 20:46.40 | valdyn | relix: 1310720 on a 15G fs here |
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| 20:47.10 | zxd | what's the difference between last change and last modification in stat |
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| 20:47.40 | valdyn | relix: now, we dont know what you have installed, using 900000 is high, but not impossible with debian packages <=15G in total size |
| 20:48.02 | valdyn | zxd: metadata change |
| 20:48.28 | valdyn | zxd: ctime is not change time |
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| 20:49.02 | relix | ok, so that would mean I'm all out of luck |
| 20:49.40 | valdyn | relix: why dont you look which packages or what is using your inodes? |
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| 20:51.00 | valdyn | !ctime |
| 20:51.00 | dpkg | UNIX does *not* store the creation time of files. Anywhere. You see that "ctime" field in the stat structure? It's not "creation time". It's inode (metadata) change time. It gets updated when you chmod the file, etc. NEWSFLASH: ext4 stores creation times after all, ask me about <crtime>. |
| 20:51.17 | valdyn | oops |
| 20:51.32 | valdyn | !mtime |
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| 20:52.04 | valdyn | zxd: ok, see above, i mixed that one up |
| 20:52.16 | relix | valdyn is there a command for that or something, or do I need to script it |
| 20:52.41 | valdyn | relix: if "find | wc -l" is a script, then you need to script it |
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| 20:53.10 | relix | touché |
| 20:53.27 | barf | relix: as long as you know man and ls you can go anywhere basically |
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| 20:57.19 | relix | well, I'm getting closer, /usr contains 939277 files |
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| 21:00.53 | pyroscope | i have a strange unicode problem under squeeze, displaying an utf8 encoded file in bash using cat works fine, doing the same in curses type programs fails (vi); no problems with the same files under lenny; LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8; any clues? |
| 21:01.15 | relix | well, it points to the /usr/local/lib/ruby directory |
| 21:01.41 | relix | I'm guessing I either downloaded the whole rubygems repository or that's just how ruby-ists do it |
| 21:01.55 | relix | 700K files in there |
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| 21:03.14 | Arrowmaster | pyroscope: try vim instead of vi, doesnt running it as vi make it use a 'vi compatible mode' that doesnt support newer features |
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| 21:04.58 | pyroscope | no change; also, other curses programs have the same problem; libncursesw5 is installed |
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| 21:13.13 | jimcooncat | apparently I don't know what I'm doing to set up mail on my vps with a fresh sqeeze. I got root and jim users and apparently the mail command doesn't work after configuring exim4 |
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| 21:15.38 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if everything from a Lenny system running as a virtual machine under Parallels' Virtuozzo can simply be copied to "/" of another Virtuozzo VM, and booted? |
| 21:15.52 | kingsley | Or, should each individual application be installed? |
| 21:16.32 | kingsley | jimcooncat: I've recently configured exim4 on a VPS, and am willing to try to help you. |
| 21:17.08 | kingsley | jimcooncat: You may already know this, but exim4's log file can reveal useful diagnostic info. |
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| 21:17.15 | jimcooncat | thanks for the offer kingsley but I just found out the kids are on their way over |
| 21:17.32 | kingsley | At least on Lenny, it's at /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 21:17.33 | jimcooncat | kingsley, where/how do I view the log? |
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| 21:19.10 | kingsley | So I'd suggest: 1.) Have fun with the kids. 2.) At a more convenient time, do "$ tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog" 3.) try to send an email, and 4.) check what was appended to the log file. |
| 21:19.36 | kingsley | jimcooncat: You may also want to join the #exim IRC channel. |
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| 21:20.10 | jimcooncat | http://paste.debian.net/123942 |
| 21:20.25 | jimcooncat | They're not here yet, do you mind a quick look? |
| 21:21.00 | relix | alright, so anyone wanting a follow up the culprit was ruby gems |
| 21:21.14 | relix | namely the .yard directory (containing yardoc files), which for some gems had up to 20K files in it |
| 21:21.15 | freebse | lol |
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| 21:21.42 | relix | I couldn't find out if that was normal or not, so I just removed all .yard dis |
| 21:21.43 | relix | for i in *; do cd $i; rm -rf .yardoc; cd ..; done |
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| 21:21.48 | pyroscope | Arrowmaster: reduced it to cat'ing an utf8 file to the console, works directly after a ssh login (TERM=xterm), start screen and cat the same file, only showing replacement chars |
| 21:22.18 | jimcooncat | I'm guessing it's using the fqn, but I have to set it up to support remote domains (sending anyway). |
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| 21:22.55 | kingsley | jimcooncat: I looked at your fine pastebin, and it seems to me that "Mailing to remote domains not supported" would be a good phrase search Google's indices for, possibly with "exim4 | exim". |
| 21:23.22 | kingsley | I'd add the keyword "debian" too. |
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| 21:23.33 | Ramosa | if I install Debian on an eSATA HDD, and connect it occasionally to different computers, will I experience hardware conflicts? for instance if one computer wants nvidia drivers, and others want me to install ATI |
| 21:23.36 | jimcooncat | Thanks kingsley, I think I'll purge and reinstall exim4 and find a howto |
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| 21:25.04 | Gargantua | Hey guys, I downloaded the netinstall iso and imaged it to a USB flash, I get a corrupt file error on the installing core components stage, what's the problem? |
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| 21:27.10 | daemonkeeper | Gargantua: Wheezy? |
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| 21:27.18 | Gargantua | Wheezy what? |
| 21:27.51 | daemonkeeper | Are you using the Wheezy debian-installer? |
| 21:28.03 | Gargantua | I don't know what that is. |
| 21:28.24 | daemonkeeper | Which image did you use exactly? |
| 21:28.42 | Gargantua | Hold on. |
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| 21:29.44 | Gargantua | http://caesar.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:29.49 | Gargantua | That's the one I downloaded. |
| 21:30.05 | daemonkeeper | That's stable. This one is fine. |
| 21:30.31 | daemonkeeper | So it is most likely a problem on your side. |
| 21:30.38 | Gargantua | Any idea what it could be? |
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| 21:31.19 | Gargantua | Could it be a problem with the network configuration? |
| 21:31.49 | daemonkeeper | No, its a problem with your USB memory stick. |
| 21:31.54 | daemonkeeper | Did you follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en? |
| 21:31.55 | Gargantua | Oh |
| 21:32.04 | Gargantua | No, I did not. |
| 21:32.49 | Gargantua | I'm not on Linux, I'm on Windows, so I'm using a program called "DiskImager" that I learnt about from the Arch wiki, it worked before. |
| 21:33.01 | Gargantua | May the ISO image I downloaded is corrupt? |
| 21:33.12 | daemonkeeper | You can verify the checksum of the image |
| 21:33.19 | Gargantua | How can I do that? |
| 21:33.24 | Gargantua | Actually, lemme google it. |
| 21:33.48 | daemonkeeper | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS This are the md5 sums. Just compare it with yours |
| 21:33.58 | daemonkeeper | Don't know what to use on Windows for this ... |
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| 21:35.00 | Gargantua | WinMD5Sum apparently. |
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| 21:36.35 | Gargantua | 9416c065e42c925bad91418ca4ca5bb6 debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:36.37 | Gargantua | This one, right? |
| 21:36.49 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 21:37.17 | Gargantua | Checksums are the same. |
| 21:37.26 | daemonkeeper | So your download is fine. |
| 21:37.32 | Gargantua | Hmm |
| 21:37.47 | Gargantua | I'll just try to reimage it onto the flash, thanks for the help. |
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| 21:40.34 | careerday | hello |
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| 21:42.00 | careerday | i just got a "Vpn" - and I am trying to make it a web server. DNS Name records for name server, mail server so I can have webmail, all that fun stuff. I was told, by an unknown source on the internet website, that bind9 is the way to go |
| 21:42.24 | careerday | basically i want to host websites |
| 21:42.35 | careerday | not really host. but trying to learn |
| 21:42.43 | careerday | well i guess really host. |
| 21:42.45 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: :Perhaps you mean VPS? VPN is Virtual Private Network, often a secure tunnel over an open network. |
| 21:42.47 | careerday | cause ill be hosting two |
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| 21:43.01 | careerday | maybe a VPS |
| 21:43.05 | careerday | So sorry |
| 21:43.37 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: bind isn't really the answer. What you need is a public nameserver that will allow you to point domain/server names to that server's IP. |
| 21:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Most registrars will do that for you these days, and there are services like dyndns that you can use as well. |
| 21:44.04 | careerday | My friend uses Plesk and he told me it did everything for him. |
| 21:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | !plesk |
| 21:44.20 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:45.18 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: It is far better to learn how to manage and control things the way they are intended to be handled. Most control panels are insecure, don't teach you how the system actually works, and often have minor failures that destroy the whole server. |
| 21:45.49 | careerday | Oh. Well, I definantly dont want that. |
| 21:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: http://tldp.org |
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| 21:46.06 | Milp_main | there is a vnc server running at :0 how do i kill it? |
| 21:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Apache has excellent documentation on named virtual hosts |
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| 21:46.28 | jhutchins_lt | Milp_main: kill -HUP <PID> |
| 21:46.43 | Milp_main | how do i find out the PID? :/ |
| 21:46.47 | jhutchins_lt | ps ax |
| 21:46.51 | Milp_main | tried in htop but i cant find it |
| 21:46.53 | ompaul | ps auwx | grep whatever |
| 21:47.02 | careerday | kill -9 ? |
| 21:47.09 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Start with -15 |
| 21:47.19 | jhutchins_lt | -9 is a last resort |
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| 21:47.39 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: Funny how that pipe character is right next to the enter key... |
| 21:48.01 | Milp_main | thanks |
| 21:48.11 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Running a mailserver is a little harder, because you don't want to become a spam relay, be swamped with spam, or end up blacklisted. |
| 21:48.13 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: uk / ie so its beside lhs Z |
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| 21:49.05 | Vasistha | marklde: hi |
| 21:49.12 | careerday | jhujhiti, lets begin with web host first. how can i go about it. i dont even know what im looking for on TLDP |
| 21:49.44 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: apache/apache2 |
| 21:50.00 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: (There are other servers but it's best to learn apache first.) |
| 21:50.05 | Vasistha | marklde: grep cd /etc/fstab |
| 21:50.38 | careerday | jhutchins, ok. so say i installed that. what willb e my name servers? if i didnt make any yet |
| 21:50.51 | Vasistha | marklde: by the way, are you sure the cd works properly? Another thing you can do is boot the angelbase machine and use that. It might be easier. |
| 21:51.13 | jhutchins_lt | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html |
| 21:51.31 | marklde | grep produced a bunch of data I cannot type here |
| 21:51.33 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: That's determined by where you register the domains, if you're using domains. |
| 21:51.56 | marklde | the bottom cd worked fine back in April |
| 21:52.55 | Vasistha | marklde: tell you what. why don't you "cat /etc/fstab" and copy/paste it into http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:53.05 | Vasistha | marklde: in konsole, copy is ctrl+shift+c not ctrl+c |
| 21:53.29 | Vasistha | marklde: or actually, just go to http://paste.debian.net/ and you can choose a file to upload |
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| 21:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Are you going to register different domains, or are you going to just use server names? |
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| 21:54.35 | Vasistha | marklde: also I didn't mean the cd drive, I meant the cd you are trying to play -- are you sure it's a good burn? |
| 21:55.18 | marklde | yes, I've already played it twice. But there is no indication of any cd being online. |
| 21:55.59 | marklde | I just pasted the grep result to paste.debian.net |
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| 21:57.54 | Vasistha | marklde: so now you can submit, and paste the link in here |
| 21:58.09 | careerday | jhutchins, register different domains |
| 21:58.11 | marklde | what? I already sent it |
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| 21:58.24 | Vasistha | marklde: I need to know where to look for it |
| 21:58.29 | marklde | Oh... http://paste.debian.net/123946/ |
| 21:58.36 | Vasistha | that's it |
| 21:59.40 | Vasistha | marklde: I'm going to get a cd and see what happens when I mount one. |
| 21:59.50 | marklde | ok |
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| 22:02.12 | Vasistha | marklde: let's try this: mount -v -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 22:03.01 | Vasistha | marklde: same error? |
| 22:04.41 | marklde | got a long display like help. checking to see if I typed it right |
| 22:04.58 | careerday | jhutchins, are you there or did i piss you off ALREADY lol |
| 22:05.02 | Vasistha | marklde: you can copy/paste from here into the konsole ... ctrl+c here, ctrl+shift+v in konsole |
| 22:05.12 | marklde | just did. same error |
| 22:05.21 | marklde | shall we try cdrom0? |
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| 22:05.40 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Sorry, obtaining snax. |
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| 22:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Have you registered the domains yet? |
| 22:06.10 | Vasistha | marklde: I'm afraid the cd might be scratched or something. I dunno. my inclination is still to try it in the other computer |
| 22:06.16 | careerday | jhutchins, no, they will be avail. tomorrow |
| 22:06.29 | pyroscope | Arrowmaster: FYI, it was LC_ALL=C which overrides LANG i guess |
| 22:06.31 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: You can do an md5sum of the disk to check. |
| 22:06.33 | careerday | jhutchins, its ok dont be sorry. i thought i made you mad |
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| 22:06.48 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Nah, people drift in and out all the time. |
| 22:07.04 | Siegfried | is it the channel of debian testing as well?i thought there was a debian+1 or something |
| 22:07.06 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: ...this is the only copy available, I guess. I think it came from a client or something |
| 22:07.17 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: When you register them, make sure the registrar offers something like "Zone File Control". |
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| 22:07.42 | Siegfried | ah yes debian-next nevermind should read topic slowly.. |
| 22:07.59 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Set that up to point the domains at your server, then set apache up for Named Virtual Hosts. |
| 22:08.05 | marklde | my interconnection timed out so I might have missed something |
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| 22:08.32 | careerday | jhutchins, i only have one ip, the VPS ip. will it work |
| 22:08.42 | Vasistha | marklde: I'm afraid the cd might be scratched or something. I dunno. my inclination is still to try it in the other computer. <jhutchins_lt> Vasistha: You can do an md5sum of the disk to check. <Vasistha> jhutchins_lt: ...this is the only copy available, I guess. I think it came from a client or something |
| 22:09.22 | Vasistha | marklde: can you try a different cd? |
| 22:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Yes, that's the cool bit of the whole "named virtual hosts" thing - you define each domain's web server seperately, and it chooses which configuration based on the name. |
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| 22:09.56 | marklde | trying a different cd, that I have also previously used |
| 22:09.58 | careerday | ah ok. thank you |
| 22:10.27 | Vasistha | marklde: in fact... I know I've used cds on that system since we updated to "debian squeeze" |
| 22:11.01 | marklde | the other cd works. unbelievable, as the bad one's been sitting on my alter |
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| 22:11.43 | Vasistha | marklde: okay, so... looks like this is an issue with the cd you're trying to access. Do you know how to clean it? |
| 22:11.55 | marklde | no |
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| 22:12.43 | Guest37169 | Hi, is it possible remove evolution package without remove gnome-core? |
| 22:12.52 | marklde | how? |
| 22:12.56 | Vasistha | marklde: you could use soap and water, and when you dry it make sure to use a lint-free cloth that won't scratch it, your regular kitchen dish towel should be fine |
| 22:13.33 | Vasistha | marklde: also I'd like to suggest again trying it in the other computer |
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| 22:14.19 | ksx4system | does KDE menu depend on Debian's menu package, just like XFCE does? |
| 22:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | marklde: Furniture polish or wax can fill scratches and make a bad disk readable. |
| 22:14.54 | marklde | how do I unmount the other cd? |
| 22:15.00 | Vasistha | marklde: with umount |
| 22:15.06 | marklde | ?? |
| 22:15.11 | Vasistha | marklde: umount not unmount |
| 22:15.22 | Vasistha | marklde: umount /dev/cdrom |
| 22:15.26 | marklde | any parameters? |
| 22:15.53 | Vasistha | or eject /dev/cdrom that should spit the tray out |
| 22:17.06 | marklde | still bad. negativity!! |
| 22:17.50 | Vasistha | marklde: okay... um... let's try it in the other computer. |
| 22:17.51 | jhutchins_lt | marklde: as root, run mount so you know where it's mounted. |
| 22:18.37 | buhman | is it possible to have a 32 bit kernel that has uses 64 bit integers? |
| 22:18.39 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: I had him mount another cd just to make sure the drive was working -- the cd seems to be unreadable, getting one of those errors about bad fs, wrong fs type ... whatever it is. |
| 22:18.57 | Vasistha | buhman: uses 64 bit integers for what? |
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| 22:20.22 | careerday | !free whcp |
| 22:20.22 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 22:20.36 | careerday | and I was told to use webmin |
| 22:20.37 | careerday | lol ok |
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| 22:21.14 | buhman | Vasistha: it would appear that, for example, the number used to represent the number of bytes transmitted/recieved in /proc/net/dev is actually a 32 bit integer, meaning that ~4GiB is the maximum number of representable bytes, and it wraps over for any larger number |
| 22:22.40 | valdyn | its an int, thats 32 or 64bit depending on your kernel |
| 22:23.34 | Vasistha | valdyn: he was wondering if he could get his 32b kernel to use 64b ints for that use... no idea why :) I am guessing we still need to figure out what the real question is |
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| 22:24.00 | valdyn | buhman: int size is determined by the actual hardware, cant be changed |
| 22:24.28 | valdyn | buhman: but it would be possible to not use int for that counter ( feel free to write a patch ) |
| 22:24.34 | buhman | valdyn: can't it be some sort of multi-byte int? |
| 22:24.46 | buhman | longs? |
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| 22:25.04 | nielou | In debian 6 qemu says "use '-smp 1'" when using kvm, should I recompile from sources (qemu-kvm) to make '-smp 2' option possible with it ? |
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| 22:25.42 | Vasistha | buhman: int64 might be what you want |
| 22:25.53 | valdyn | buhman: int is "multi-byte", thats 4 |
| 22:26.11 | buhman | well how about multi-multi-byte? |
| 22:26.25 | valdyn | buhman: whats your point? |
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| 22:26.45 | valdyn | buhman: i already said you can write a patch for the kernel |
| 22:27.22 | buhman | valdyn: you'd be overestimating my abilities :P |
| 22:27.57 | valdyn | buhman: that counter can never be reliable as its easy to reset it |
| 22:28.16 | buhman | valdyn: well that's the other question I guess (I'm aware of that) |
| 22:28.29 | buhman | what's a better way to keep track of network utilization? |
| 22:28.41 | buhman | that would be the better question |
| 22:28.47 | valdyn | buhman: theres so many network monitors in debian |
| 22:28.59 | valdyn | buhman: use one of those |
| 22:29.03 | buhman | one of what? |
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| 22:29.23 | valdyn | buhman: one of the many network monitoring tools in debian |
| 22:29.28 | Bushmills | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems |
| 22:29.56 | buhman | Bushmills: I'm not looking for anything fancy :) |
| 22:30.27 | Bushmills | then choose something not too fancy |
| 22:31.05 | careerday | any ideas guys ? E: Package 'apache' has no installation candidate .. |
| 22:31.18 | Bushmills | apache2 |
| 22:31.26 | valdyn | careerday: 1.x is no longer in debian |
| 22:31.37 | careerday | Oh ok. thanks. thanks bush |
| 22:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: It's been so long that it's silly, but there ya go. |
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| 22:34.26 | careerday | !find |
| 22:34.33 | careerday | help |
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| 22:36.31 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Whatcha need? To search the bot, /msg dpkg <factoid>, /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword>, /msg dpkg listvals <word> |
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| 22:44.52 | careerday | jhutchins. i installed 'apache2', and now its telling me to do.. let me paste bin |
| 22:45.11 | careerday | http://pastebin.com/imczL326 |
| 22:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | !readme.debian |
| 22:46.00 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 22:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | You'll also want to set your hostname, and edit your hosts file so that includes at least one primary domain name, |
| 22:46.30 | jhutchins_lt | !hostname |
| 22:46.30 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 22:46.32 | jhutchins_lt | !hosts |
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| 22:47.37 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: You really don't care if it starts until you get it configured and make some content available anyway. Look through the files in /etc/apache, see what they do. |
| 22:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: You really don't care if it starts until you get it configured and make some content available anyway. Look through the files in /etc/apache, see what they do. Expect to take several hours on this project. |
| 22:49.58 | careerday | jhutchins as long as i figure it out i dont mind how long it takes. |
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| 22:50.57 | subsume | how can I tell where a package lives once installed with apt? |
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| 22:52.13 | centHOGG | apt-cache ? |
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| 22:55.59 | craigevil | which foo, or dpkg -L foo |
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| 22:57.25 | jhutchins | subsume: dpkg -L package, locate |
| 22:58.24 | careerday | jhutchins, no such directory /etc/apache |
| 22:58.52 | jhutchins | careerday: ls /etc/ap<tab> |
| 22:59.13 | careerday | oh damn i have to remember the 2 |
| 22:59.18 | careerday | 2 yoou moron, 2! |
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| 22:59.52 | careerday | not you jhutchins, me |
| 23:00.14 | careerday | so nothing is in httpd.conf |
| 23:00.17 | careerday | ok............. |
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| 23:02.03 | careerday | be bac soon jhutchins, business awaits |
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| 23:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: ln -s /etc/apache2 /etc/apache |
| 23:06.13 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: It's that way so you could have both apache 1.x and apache2 installed together while you worked out the migration. |
| 23:06.34 | jhutchins_lt | careerday: Of course, once it's established one way, you don't wan to go changing things arbitrarily, so... |
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| 23:27.06 | Ex-Opesa | I am having this error, "Error: File /etc/sensors.d/dme1737, line 1: Undeclared bus id referenced sensors_init: Can't parse bus name" the chip name is definitely correct, what am I doing wrong here? |
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| 23:30.41 | monsterb | !mkisofs |
| 23:30.41 | dpkg | genisoimage is a utility for creating ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images, replacing mkisofs since Etch (the mkisofs transitional package was removed post-Lenny). Install the cdrkit-doc package to provide additional documentation. One-liner: genisoimage -R /master/tree | wodim -v fs=6m speed=2 dev=2,0 - |
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| 23:31.11 | TechDesk | hi |
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| 23:32.56 | TechDesk | where can i fond a good doc for compile kernel linux-3.0.tar.bz2 ? |
| 23:33.01 | TechDesk | find* |
| 23:34.00 | careerday | jhutchins, nothing is in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf :{ |
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| 23:34.38 | aguitel | what the best way to find fastest mirror |
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| 23:36.42 | arnoldB | aguitel: choose a well known provider near your location |
| 23:37.20 | aguitel | arnoldB, my question is about nears my location the server is out of date |
| 23:38.33 | arnoldB | You have to download tons of MB? :) |
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| 23:43.23 | aguitel | arnoldB, no ,only to upgrade the system |
| 23:44.10 | grmrgecko | So would compiling both xl2tp and openswan myself fix this issue? http://pastebin.com/W17S9ct0 |
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| 23:48.33 | FurryHead | o/ all! I finally got debian installed, and customized (at least to the point of useability) |
| 23:48.47 | FurryHead | One thing, though, why is emacs bigger than Xorg? LOL |
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| 23:50.14 | daemonkeeper | Because emacs is a full blown operating system. |
| 23:50.25 | morphic | because it is more powerfull, you don't need a gui when you have good tools on a console |
| 23:50.38 | morphic | watch youtube with aalib man |
| 23:50.46 | FurryHead | morphic: aalib? |
| 23:50.56 | Bushmills | because its history is longer |
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| 23:52.51 | buhman | I have an active-backup bond and I want to try to gently tell it I want to use a different interface as the active slave. |
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| 23:53.34 | centHOGG | hmm |
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| 23:55.34 | daemonkeeper | buhman: primary. |
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| 23:56.11 | Bushmills | aguitel: netselect should do |
| 23:56.13 | FurryHead | Man, wouldn't the output of aalib really suck? |
| 23:56.25 | FurryHead | (just read on wikipedia what it does) |
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| 23:56.58 | buhman | daemonkeeper: what? |
| 23:57.19 | daemonkeeper | FurryHead: Because aalib is for real geeks: http://everydaylht.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mplayercaca.png |
| 23:57.39 | daemonkeeper | buhman: This is an option to the bonding module. Use it. |
| 23:57.53 | buhman | daemonkeeper: I have, in this case, eth1 set as a the primary, but it takes a bit longer to bring up than eth0, so when the bond starts, it tries eth1 first, it figures out it's down, 200ms later switches to eth0, and then about a second later eth1 finally comes up |
| 23:57.59 | buhman | however it stays on eth0 |
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| 23:58.37 | daemonkeeper | buhman: Use updelay/downdelay then. |
| 23:59.02 | buhman | daemonkeeper: ..wouldn't that involve bringing to bond up/down? |
| 23:59.49 | daemonkeeper | buhman: Well, yes. However if your NICs need to settle first, you avoid flapping while bringing it up. Alternatively set primary_reselect to switch back to your primary after flapping. |
