| 00:00.26 | FurryHead | Thank goodness for GPM. :P |
| 00:01.01 | FurryHead | oh ffs, gpm isn't working. Meh. |
| 00:02.02 | FurryHead | MMM, doesn't matter. You posted a image file, I haven't yet gotten cli software that can view images. |
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| 00:04.53 | FurryHead | Well, gotta run. Need to download ~80mb worth of software, and IRC will only slow it down. Bye! |
| 00:05.19 | daemonkeeper | ?! |
| 00:05.22 | morphic | lol |
| 00:05.39 | dvs | so '90s |
| 00:05.59 | daemonkeeper | Even in the 90s this statement would not have been true. |
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| 00:13.09 | aguitel | Bushmills, thanks |
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| 00:30.03 | andreas_ | hi anyone knows about a windows lookalike theme thats easy installable and that works on squeeze? ill use whatever wm possible.. But one that works preferabely (not for own use btw :p) |
| 00:30.08 | n0sq | why does debian show an icon that says eth0 is connected but when i bring up "manage connections" there isn't an eth0 listed? |
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| 00:34.43 | andreas_ | n0sq: If its a desktop Id remove or disable networkmanager at least from runlevel and use interfaces file. |
| 00:37.03 | n0sq | i'll have to figure out how to do that on debian - with madriva i would use chkconfig to turn off the runlevels |
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| 00:40.17 | kraehe | what do I need to do, if I want to install nvidia NOT as a .deb package, but from the .run file? How do I tell Debian, that there are now a 3rd party driver? |
| 00:40.44 | inference | download the driver from the nvidia site |
| 00:40.52 | kraehe | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers only explains the debian way - or to migrate from non debian way to debian way - but not the other way round |
| 00:40.58 | inference | then go to terminal, say sudo killall Xorg |
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| 00:41.08 | inference | then navigate to the driver and run it |
| 00:41.13 | inference | it is install scripts |
| 00:41.21 | kraehe | the questions is: what deb packages do I need to apt-get remove before |
| 00:41.37 | inference | it doesnt like the noveau driver but |
| 00:41.46 | inference | it automatically disables it, then you restart |
| 00:41.52 | inference | then you run the install scripts again |
| 00:42.01 | inference | after killing Xorg again |
| 00:42.44 | buhman | daemonkeeper: working as I would expect now; thanks |
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| 00:42.52 | inference | so basically: killall Xorg, sudo nvidiadriver.run, restart, killall Xorg, sudo nvidiadriver.run |
| 00:43.00 | inference | it should work |
| 00:43.26 | inference | it will disable the default driver the first go round, then it should install |
| 00:44.08 | inference | also kraehe, there is a real informative readme on the nvidia driver site |
| 00:44.13 | kraehe | inference, this will break on next debian update - because debian does not know about the .run - and will install its own things like libglx, libGL, ... over it |
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| 00:44.37 | inference | well you should probably update the driver after that |
| 00:44.42 | kraehe | it will also break on next kernel update done by debian, because debian does not know that there is a need to recompile |
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| 00:45.09 | inference | it wont install it "over" it.. because the nvidia driver script will disable noveau etc |
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| 00:45.50 | inference | you could remove all that stuff if you really wanted, its just a hassle |
| 00:45.54 | kraehe | is not talking about VGA (noveau) - but about migrating from nvidia driver/debian way to nvidia driver/nvidia way |
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| 00:46.42 | inference | im not some pro, i was just trying to relate how i installed the nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 00:46.47 | inference | tbh, it's off topic here |
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| 00:47.06 | kraehe | a related questions is: is there a way to query what package on the system comes from squeeze and what package comes from wheezy? |
| 00:47.29 | inference | idk |
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| 00:48.37 | kgoetz | kraehe: find the packagte version then look it up on packages.debian.org |
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| 00:49.43 | kraehe | kgoetz, looking up 1393 packages? you are not serious? |
| 00:50.08 | kgoetz | kraehe: you want to find the origin of 1400 packages? how badly have you broken your system? |
| 00:50.35 | kraehe | i've tried to install nvidia from wheezy (works mostly) on a squeeze system |
| 00:50.49 | kgoetz | apt-cache policy will tell you, if the repo is still enabled (iirc) |
| 00:50.51 | kraehe | unfortunate flash is crashing X sometimes (only youtube - not al-jazeera) |
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| 00:51.36 | grmrgecko | Checking for IPsec support in kernel [FAILED] |
| 00:51.48 | kraehe | so I consider upgrading again, this time from debian/nvidia driver to the actual one |
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| 00:52.00 | grmrgecko | I thought 2.6.32 supports IPSec |
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| 00:54.03 | n0sq | grmrgecko: i'm no expert on the kernel but it may be a feature that was remarked out when the kernel was built |
| 00:54.33 | grmrgecko | that's what I would think |
| 00:54.38 | grmrgecko | http://wiki.debian.org/IPsec |
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| 01:06.13 | FransWillem | Hi, when I press the power button on my media center remote my computer powers down, is there any way to change this behaviour? I'd rather have it be handled by LIRC instead :/ |
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| 01:09.50 | mentor | FransWillem: Is the power button event not reaching LIRC? |
| 01:09.52 | n0sq | which pop3 server works the best and works right "out of the box"? |
| 01:10.43 | FransWillem | mentor: It is actually reaching LIRC, but apparently something else is handling it too. The arrow buttons also seem to be working in the terminal (e.g. tty1), even if LIRC is not even running :-/ |
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| 01:11.18 | mentor | n0sq: Define "best" |
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| 01:12.19 | andreas_ | FransWillem: /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn-acpi-support maybe something here? |
| 01:12.24 | mentor | FransWillem: What IR receiver are you using? Maybe it's hooked into the BIOS? |
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| 01:13.00 | mentor | maybe it's presenting a USB HID interface too |
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| 01:13.10 | FransWillem | mentor: the default MCE USB thing, let me check if it still does that if i modprobe -r mceusb |
| 01:13.14 | FransWillem | brb |
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| 01:13.52 | mentor | FransWillem: if you do lsusb you can see |
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| 01:14.21 | andreas_ | gn all |
| 01:15.11 | FransWillem | mentor: There's no USB HID device, and if I modprobe -r mceusb it doesn't work. It appears the new 2.6.something remote-control modules are wired to act like keyboards :/ |
| 01:15.25 | mentor | Aha |
| 01:15.35 | mentor | Well, there's almost certainly a way to turn it off then |
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| 01:16.58 | FransWillem | mentor: Yeah, just can't find it. I'd like it to act like it did before, as just a lirc driver that wouldn't do anything other than that |
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| 01:19.06 | nevyn | FransWillem: modprobe evdev |
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| 01:19.38 | FransWillem | nevyn: Without options ? |
| 01:20.08 | mentor | yes |
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| 01:21.24 | nevyn | evdev says not every keyboard on this system should send coreinput events |
| 01:21.24 | n0sq | mentor: best means minimal config - no SSL, TLS or anything like that |
| 01:21.50 | nevyn | FransWillem: I've got a bunch of aliases in /etc/modutils.d/alias.conf |
| 01:22.41 | mentor | I.e., the mceusb data will go to a device which will be read by some userspace app. rather than being handled directly by the kernel |
| 01:23.06 | mentor | FransWillem: Can your remote turn on the computer? |
| 01:23.27 | FransWillem | mentor: Only from S3 |
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| 01:39.02 | FransWillem | mentor, nevyn: evdev didn't work as X apparently unloads that if it quits or something, yet I found another solution, echo none +lirc > /sys/class/rc/rc0/protocols will prevent the kernel from handling any IR codes and pass em straight to LIRC instead :) |
| 01:39.23 | mentor | fuckin' X |
| 01:39.47 | mentor | Always messing with the autothrottles |
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| 01:52.57 | inference | dam these nexuiz bots cheat |
| 01:53.06 | Hachya | XD yeah |
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| 02:03.57 | Gargantua | Hey guys |
| 02:05.17 | careerday | jhutchins, im back sorry had to do something important :D |
| 02:05.22 | Gargantua | My fresh Debian install says "Device not managed" to my wireless device, what do I do? |
| 02:05.30 | grmrgecko | Ok⦠Finally got the VPN to connect. |
| 02:05.47 | grmrgecko | Now I have a problem where I cannot ping anything |
| 02:07.34 | Gargantua | Help please? |
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| 02:12.27 | jetscreamer | i dunno, install network-manager maybe i know nothing about wireless... ok next to nothing |
| 02:12.49 | jetscreamer | !wireless |
| 02:12.50 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 02:13.01 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 02:13.01 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
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| 02:15.59 | Gargantua | jetscreamer, this is ridicilous, I did a netinstall using this very chip. |
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| 02:17.33 | jetscreamer | shrugs |
| 02:17.35 | MaatUNIX | Hello world |
| 02:17.51 | jetscreamer | i'd help if i could |
| 02:17.53 | MaatUNIX | I install my first web server this night |
| 02:18.19 | jetscreamer | i know network manager seems to function |
| 02:18.27 | MaatUNIX | thx :3 |
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| 02:18.44 | zappus | hello everyone |
| 02:18.49 | MaatUNIX | o/ |
| 02:18.58 | zappus | is there any good lightweight backup tool? |
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| 02:19.48 | jetscreamer | msg dpkg backup maybe |
| 02:20.53 | careerday | why do you need to register your nickname to speak in #apache - grr |
| 02:21.19 | jetscreamer | spambots maybe |
| 02:21.31 | careerday | i dont spam :/ |
| 02:21.44 | Gargantua | !atheros |
| 02:21.44 | dpkg | Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k>. For USB WiFi support, ask me about <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1c>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 02:21.50 | jetscreamer | bet you're not a bot, either, but maybe you passed the turing test |
| 02:21.59 | careerday | lol |
| 02:22.19 | Gargantua | !ath5k |
| 02:22.19 | dpkg | ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCIe device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
| 02:22.29 | Tux^verdreifelt | ehm .. anyone with postfixadmin knowledge and can tell me why i can't log in with a newly created mailbox ("auth failed") while logging in as admin works? |
| 02:22.36 | dvs | Gargantua: comment out any references to wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces. network manager should work after that. |
| 02:23.08 | jetscreamer | if he has it installed, is it installed by default when installing over wireless? kinda makes sense but i dunno |
| 02:23.14 | grmrgecko | Anyone in here using openswan and xl2tp for a vpn? |
| 02:23.25 | grmrgecko | If so, how can I port the local network to the vpn? |
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| 02:24.28 | dvs | jetscreamer: if he installed GNOME, it should. |
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| 02:25.47 | Gargantua | dvs, thank you, brb. |
| 02:26.14 | jetscreamer | got nick? |
| 02:26.30 | kNC | yes |
| 02:26.32 | kNC | Registered |
| 02:26.45 | jetscreamer | s |
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| 02:31.19 | kNC | !free whcp |
| 02:31.19 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP> Omega and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 02:32.10 | grmrgecko | So does anyone know how to forward a LAN via OpenSwan? |
| 02:33.07 | grmrgecko | Do I use virtual_private? |
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| 02:33.39 | kNC | Not I grmrgecko sorry |
| 02:34.15 | Tigerboy | http://wiki.openswan.org/index.php/Openswan/FreeSWANTroubleShooting |
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| 02:39.53 | reklipz | Hey folks. I have a 400 page PDF that I would like to search for text in. Evince is rather slow doing the search. Is there anyway to build an index into the PDF to make it faster, or to build one outside and use a separate tool for the search? |
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| 02:59.35 | kNC | How can I go about "copying" directories from one directory to another directory |
| 02:59.46 | kNC | without 'moving' them |
| 03:00.46 | bint | kNC |
| 03:00.48 | bint | cp -r |
| 03:01.01 | kNC | Thank you bint |
| 03:02.04 | bint | what did you do? |
| 03:02.07 | bint | mv -r ? |
| 03:02.40 | bint | well gn8 |
| 03:03.04 | kNC | no i did cp without -r |
| 03:03.06 | kNC | ok thanks |
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| 03:07.22 | zrhzrh | Hello everyone, does anyone knows how to connect the Internet through the ADSL in tty1? |
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| 03:09.00 | zrhzrh | I couldn't use neither KDE nor GNOME.. |
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| 03:11.19 | zrhzrh | (waiting for the answer...) |
| 03:12.51 | tului | what sort of ADSL do you mean? |
| 03:12.58 | tului | PPPoE? |
| 03:13.09 | zrhzrh | maybe, I guess |
| 03:13.18 | tului | or the DSL modem has ethernet and you're connected to it via ethernet? |
| 03:13.58 | zrhzrh | maybe.. |
| 03:14.06 | zrhzrh | I guess so! |
| 03:14.32 | tului | I mean is the machine already on the net? |
| 03:14.57 | tului | and you just want to ftp/wget/browse pages in a terminal? |
| 03:15.20 | zrhzrh | no, not on the net |
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| 03:16.00 | zrhzrh | I need UserID and Password |
| 03:16.12 | zrhzrh | it's need UserID and Password |
| 03:16.22 | zrhzrh | to connect it |
| 03:16.38 | tului | I'm not familiar with setting up PPoE or anything like that on Debian. I've always used a router with it built in |
| 03:16.42 | tului | then just ethernet to the box |
| 03:17.12 | zrhzrh | oh, I see.. |
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| 03:18.09 | subuser | I'm getting the error listed in /var/log/gdm3/:0-greeter.log that says alot of things, among them (gnome-power-manager:1686): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed gdm-simple-greeter[1687]: WARNING: Failed to send buffer |
| 03:19.22 | subuser | (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:1688): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Error enumerating temporary authorizations: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.EnumerateTemporaryAthorizations() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit... cannot determin session the caller is in |
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| 03:19.36 | subuser | they look unsettling |
| 03:20.03 | subuser | there's a unresolved bug post at redhat.com https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=661898 |
| 03:21.41 | subuser | maybe i should post to debian bugs about it |
| 03:22.16 | subuser | nope it's there it looks like |
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| 03:26.45 | Alligadi | hi |
| 03:27.05 | Alligadi | is it possible to burn a debian CD image to DVD? |
| 03:27.17 | Alligadi | cause ive tried some today and no one booted |
| 03:27.53 | zykotick9 | Alligadi, cd1/dvd1 are hybrid cd/usb images, you should be able to use dd or cat to move them to USB |
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| 03:28.16 | Alligadi | usb? |
| 03:28.41 | zykotick9 | Alligadi, oh DVD, ya, just burn it like a cd |
| 03:28.49 | Alligadi | i want to burn a debian cd image on my dvd so that i can boot debian installation from the DVD |
| 03:28.53 | Alligadi | ah |
| 03:28.56 | Alligadi | thank you |
| 03:29.24 | zykotick9 | Alligadi, there shouldn't be any difference burning to cd/dvd - i regularly use DVDs for the cd images |
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| 03:30.02 | Alligadi | thanks, then there is something wrong with my DVDs or the burning program |
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| 03:30.29 | zykotick9 | Alligadi, is it that they won't boot? |
| 03:30.43 | Alligadi | yes |
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| 03:30.56 | zykotick9 | Alligadi, do you see the ISOLINUX message? |
| 03:30.56 | Alligadi | AMD64 CD image |
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| 03:31.30 | Alligadi | wow now it works |
| 03:31.33 | Alligadi | great |
| 03:31.59 | Alligadi | CD image 1 didnt boot i dont know why |
| 03:32.18 | Alligadi | but the small netinstall image boots |
| 03:32.22 | Alligadi | :) |
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| 03:33.13 | inference | grub overrides my cd booting sometimes |
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| 03:34.13 | Alligadi | hm but the bios priority was set right |
| 03:34.17 | Alligadi | so that it bioo |
| 03:34.30 | Alligadi | *boots from cd first and then from HD |
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| 03:49.07 | Alligadi | hm |
| 03:49.14 | kNC | how can i search for something? specifically openssl, i just installed it. but i get this error checking for OpenSSL library... configure: error: OpenSSL was not found in any of /usr /usr/local /usr/local/ssl /usr/pkg /usr/sfw; use --with-openssl=/path If you don't want OpenSSL, use --without-openssl |
| 03:49.19 | Alligadi | it doesnt find grub after the installation |
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| 03:50.11 | Alligadi | i will try to manually install grub |
| 03:53.18 | boudiccas | kNC; sudo updatedb, then locate foobar once the updatedb has finished |
| 03:53.50 | kNC | boudiccas: sudo: unable to resolve host foo |
| 03:55.07 | boudiccas | kNC; did you do 'sudo updatedb' first? then when completed locate foobar' substituting what you're looking for with foobar |
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| 03:55.36 | kNC | boudiccas; yes. it told me that when i typed sudo updatedb |
| 03:56.44 | boudiccas | kNC; what was the exact error message you got when you tried to update the database? |
| 03:57.05 | kNC | sudo updatedb |
| 03:57.05 | kNC | sudo: unable to resolve host foo |
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| 04:03.29 | breedx | So I'm fairly savvy with Linux, and I've tried about 8 different things and simply cannot prevent this old laptop from turning its screen off after 15 minutes! xset -q output: http://pastebin.com/asHHs5tN |
| 04:03.35 | breedx | any ideas? driving me crazy! |
| 04:04.54 | Alligadi | are you using Xvesa or Xorg? |
| 04:05.06 | breedx | ok, found this in custom kernel config: CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y -- maybe I need to turn that off next. |
| 04:05.11 | breedx | Alligadi: xorg |
| 04:06.22 | Alligadi | whats wrong about turning screen off after 15 min? |
| 04:06.38 | breedx | that CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK is supposed to only be for consoles tho I think. |
| 04:06.59 | breedx | but it has a comment about laptops -- so I'm going to try turning it off anyway. |
| 04:08.31 | breedx | Alligadi: it's for an art installation and needs to stay on. |
| 04:09.36 | Alligadi | http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/x-screen-blanking.html <- that may help you |
| 04:10.24 | breedx | Alligadi: oh, trust me, I've seen that one. :) Did you see my xset -q pastebin? I've got everything there turned off (at least I think!) |
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| 04:11.16 | Alligadi | hmmm oh |
| 04:11.23 | subuser | well their simple compiz --replace and openbox --replace commands didn't do nothing for those gdm error's, the replace function wasn't working |
| 04:11.36 | subuser | and to do that i have to be in a display |
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| 04:13.42 | subuser | it works fine but spits out strange looking logs that make's one thing of buffer overflowers and hidden logins |
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| 04:14.16 | subuser | redhat has no solution on their site and debian only has it in a forum post on debian.net |
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| 04:21.10 | Alligadi | hm |
| 04:21.24 | Alligadi | grub doesnt start |
| 04:21.56 | Alligadi | reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key |
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| 04:23.36 | ardian | Hi I want to Download the DVD of debian with KDE can anyone help me with the link ? |
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| 04:37.05 | Kolyan[ufalug] | Hi all. |
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| 04:37.47 | Kolyan[ufalug] | I have question about loadind Debian at netbook. |
| 04:37.53 | Kolyan[ufalug] | *loading |
| 04:38.06 | Kolyan[ufalug] | Netbook with AMD Fusion. |
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| 04:40.37 | xevious | In Debian (Lenny) what's the correct approach for auto-initiializing a mdadm/lvm setup? |
| 04:40.39 | Kolyan[ufalug] | Boot is ok but at time of loading drm kernel modules screen becomes covered colored snow. Radeon 6310, AMD Fusion, Lenovo S205, Debian Wheezy and Debian Sid. |
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| 04:47.20 | Gargantua | Hey |
| 04:47.25 | Gargantua | !mousepad |
| 04:47.25 | dpkg | hmm... mousepad is A pad that has a surface made for use with a mouse. |
| 04:47.30 | Gargantua | Grr |
| 04:47.30 | chovy | has anyone used XBMC? |
| 04:47.38 | Gargantua | My mousepad isn't working properly, halp? |
| 04:48.07 | nevyn | synaptics touchpad? |
| 04:48.32 | Gargantua | I'm not sure tbh. |
| 04:48.34 | Gargantua | It might be. |
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| 04:49.28 | sauvin | Is it something you run your fingers around on, and the mouse pointer is supposed to move with? |
| 04:49.31 | Gargantua | The touchpad used in the laptop is a Synaptics "Multitouch Pad" (V7.2), which is also used in the Aspire notebooks. |
| 04:49.42 | Gargantua | Yeah, a touchpad. |
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| 04:50.36 | Gargantua | I'm sorry about that. |
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| 04:51.10 | sauvin | What problem are you having? |
| 04:51.44 | ion_ | Sorry but I use iceweasel and I can browse in any site accept the twitter why thins happnes .. |
| 04:52.04 | Gargantua | sauvin, tapping on it does not cause a click. |
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| 04:52.53 | ion_ | * this *happens |
| 04:53.07 | sauvin | On mine, in many cases, it's necessary to tap three times to cause a double click. |
| 04:53.16 | Gargantua | Nope. |
| 04:53.20 | sauvin | And twice to produce a single click. |
| 04:53.23 | Gargantua | Won't do anything no matter how much I click. |
| 04:53.35 | Gargantua | And I can't two-finger-drag. |
| 04:54.03 | sauvin | I can't, either, but I never cared as much about dragging. Which debian are you using? |
| 04:54.21 | ion_ | ? |
| 04:54.40 | Gargantua | The latest stable release. |
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| 04:57.08 | sauvin | Gah, google's just giving me computer specs or porn links trying to find that touchpad. |
| 05:01.24 | zykotick9 | Gargantua, System / Preferences / Mouse - Touchpad tab - is "Enable mouse click with touchpad" checked? Don't think it is by default. |
| 05:02.02 | Gargantua | zykotick9, thank you very much. |
| 05:02.27 | ssfdre38 | what should i use for GLIB |
| 05:03.19 | subuser | last bug report made it through with hushmail, maybe this one will too - i'd be surprised if nobody else noticed those happening or wondered when they seen them |
| 05:04.38 | Gargantua | Where is my xorg.conf ? |
| 05:04.41 | subuser | it is the default gui setup and all, couldn't be too isolated |
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| 05:05.34 | subuser | looks like they don't have one by default, they have a xorg.conf.d though |
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| 05:05.41 | joe6 | i use evince for viewing pdf files. I am looking for something more keyboard driven for reading pdf files. Any suggestions, please? |
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| 05:06.09 | subuser | i use xpdf, you can get two views on it through file browser/manual launch or firefox |
| 05:06.24 | subuser | firefox maybe does the evince view |
| 05:06.39 | kNC | !pkg-config |
| 05:06.39 | dpkg | pkg-config is, like, annoying! |
| 05:06.43 | kNC | lol |
| 05:06.46 | subuser | it's pretty good and simple |
| 05:06.47 | kNC | yes it is |
| 05:06.49 | kNC | but how do ig et it |
| 05:06.50 | kNC | :( |
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| 05:06.56 | Gargantua | That helps. |
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| 05:08.04 | subuser | locate xorg.conf.d should show them after updatedb, man 5 xorg.conf mentions the directory |
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| 05:09.25 | Gargantua | It mentions 20~ categories. |
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| 05:09.44 | Gargantua | It's in /usr/share/X11/ |
| 05:09.49 | Gargantua | Damn, you debians are weird. |
| 05:09.54 | Gargantua | comes from the land of Slack |
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| 05:11.54 | subuser | there is also /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/xorg.conf but if it's not listed as a controlling factor of this desktop i'm using in some configuration directory it's probably ignored |
| 05:12.41 | sauvin | debian and slack parted company a very long time ago. |
| 05:13.04 | Gargantua | :( |
| 05:13.36 | kNC | !hostname |
| 05:13.37 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 05:14.22 | kNC | hmm :/ can someone help me. please.. Starting ftp server: proftpd - warning: unable to determine IP address of 'foo' |
| 05:14.33 | kNC | how can i put the hostname to my IP of the machine i am running on |
| 05:14.39 | kNC | or should i ask in their channel |
| 05:16.45 | sauvin | I think you should look at alternatives. ftp is deprecated. |
| 05:17.05 | kNC | ftp is still around |
| 05:17.24 | sauvin | "deprecated" does not mean "extinct". |
| 05:17.39 | civillian | "endangered" perhaps :) |
| 05:18.19 | joe6 | subuser: ok, thanks. |
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| 05:26.13 | kNC | sauvin, 'i dont know' might work better lol |
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| 05:32.09 | sauvin | kNC, it's true I know very little about setting up ftp. Too many people have told me it's inherently insecure. |
| 05:33.08 | subuser | i see somebody's line in modprobe.conf on this linuxquestions website saying to put 'install module2 /sbin/modprobe module1;/sbin/modprobe --ignore-install module2 if you want module1 loaded before module2 , maybe reading up on modprobe.conf would be what you're looking for |
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| 05:36.30 | subuser | or maybe you can add one to the blacklist file and it'd only load the one you want on your soundcard until you use your tv-tuner |
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| 05:42.00 | kNC | !ftp |
| 05:42.00 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 05:42.19 | Gargantua | Grrr |
| 05:42.21 | kNC | !sftp |
| 05:42.21 | dpkg | it has been said that sftp is a program that provides FTP-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp. The server is in the package openssh-server. For Windows clients, ask me about <winscp>, <filezilla>. See also <scp> and <sshfs>. |
| 05:42.29 | kNC | !scp |
| 05:42.29 | dpkg | scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. The client program is in the openssh-client package and it just uses the ssh server at the other end so you don't need to install anything special on the server (openssh-server package). ssh + cpio. Install <scponly> or <rssh> to restrict commands to scp users. More information: <sftp>, <sshfs>. |
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| 05:42.36 | Gargantua | !compiz |
| 05:42.36 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:43.09 | Gargantua | "In order to use compiz add the following options to the corresponding sections in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 05:43.16 | Gargantua | There is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11! |
| 05:43.55 | wols | Gargantua: you have direct rendering working? |
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| 05:45.18 | Gargantua | I don't think so, this is a straight install. |
| 05:45.24 | Gargantua | fresh install, I mean. |
| 05:45.25 | wols | what videocard? |
| 05:45.28 | Gargantua | You mean aiglx right? |
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| 05:46.09 | wols | and no I don't |
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| 05:46.44 | Gargantua | ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 - 1024 MB, Core: 550 MHz, Memory: 800 MHz, GDDR3, 8.692.1.0 |
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| 05:47.21 | Gargantua | I'm not 100% certain, though, it's an Acer Travelmate 5740 which has an ATI sticker on it, some specs say Intel, others say that. |
| 05:47.25 | subuser | lol @ the ftp clients can get whacked easily saying there, i looked it up and it looks real - apparently in the past thing's such as a server having a |filename listed in a directory listing would cause ftp to read that file a script, so whatever commands they want ran can be ran |
| 05:47.26 | wols | then you should be fine already. see output of "glxinfo |grep direct" |
| 05:47.38 | Gargantua | okay |
| 05:48.15 | Gargantua | direct rendering: Yes |
| 05:48.20 | wols | Gargantua: those factoids you read are very old and severely outdated. don't really apply anymore |
| 05:48.21 | Gargantua | Looks like it. |
| 05:48.35 | Gargantua | wols, the wiki you mean? |
| 05:49.27 | Gargantua | Got anything better for me? |
| 05:49.33 | wols | for what? |
| 05:50.02 | Gargantua | Installing compiz. |
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| 05:52.59 | Gargantua | wols, friend? :( |
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| 06:10.50 | Gargantua | wols, will compiz simply not run on the latest debian? |
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| 06:36.36 | gimpy4309 | I'm trying to compile alsa with module-assistant in Squeeze but it keeps failing the build. This is a rebuilt system with *exactly* the same kernel, modules, repos, and packages installed. Even a diff of /etc and a backed up etc from a few days ago show this rebuilt system is nearly identical. Can anyone help me figure out why asla won't compile? |
| 06:37.27 | wols | !tell gimpy4309 about errors |
| 06:37.34 | wols | if it's all the same, why a compile? |
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| 06:38.51 | gimpy4309 | wols: looooooooots of errors, way too many for pastebin. I also don't know where module-assistance stores the log file. It just displays it. http://pastebin.com/Vk3U4U68 |
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| 06:39.31 | gimpy4309 | wols: I'm trying to get HDMI audio working. I have a .bash_history from when I did it the first time, and that is what I did to make it work last time. |
| 06:40.42 | gimpy4309 | I remember last time that the compile went fine, no error at all That's why I'm confused since the system looks identical. |
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| 06:42.15 | yang | How to prevent resolv.conf to be deleted each time after reboot by NetworkManager ? |
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| 06:43.38 | wols | !tell yang about fixresolvconf |
| 06:43.57 | gimpy4309 | The mdule-assistance log for this one compile is 1.1MB.....ugh, that's a lot of errors. |
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| 06:44.18 | yang | thanks |
| 06:44.22 | wols | gimpy4309: the only important error is the first one. |
| 06:44.47 | Character7 | If you love white castle and you have a facebook, please check in at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-White-Castle-to-Arizona/117294818301070, your help is truly appreciated. |
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| 06:45.03 | wols | gimpy4309: many many people use hdmi just fine with the default alsa in squeeze. what's so special about yours? |
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| 06:45.24 | wols | considering there are only about 3 vendors who hand out hdmi capable chips |
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| 06:46.47 | gimpy4309 | wols: I don't know, I just know this is what it took last time after hours of working with it. After installing the nVidia modules HDMI doesn't even show up as a possible sound output without fiddling with varios things. |
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| 06:47.25 | glisignoli | Question: Is it possible to install Debian (net install) using wifi? |
| 06:47.31 | gimpy4309 | I think the newest alsa includes a patch I need but I don't recall exactly. |
| 06:47.36 | yang | bash: /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base: No such file or directory |
| 06:47.42 | streuner_ | glisignoli: yes |
| 06:48.00 | streuner_ | glisignoli: keep in mind WEP NOT WPA |
| 06:48.07 | glisignoli | dang |
| 06:48.35 | wols | glisignoli: the netinst ISO doesn't need any network access to install a small working debian.however it cannot access WPA secured APs and might need firmware for your wlan |
| 06:48.38 | Iridos | really? I remember the last installer asking me for wpa, too |
| 06:48.51 | wols | glisignoli: just install wpasupplicant and you are fine |
| 06:49.01 | wols | Iridos: no installer supports WPA |
| 06:49.03 | glisignoli | wols: Oh? So I can just skip the network install? |
| 06:49.12 | Iridos | might have been the kmuto installer back then, though.... but I thought the only difference was that used a different kernel |
| 06:49.13 | glisignoli | I mean, it asked for network settings |
| 06:49.49 | wols | glisignoli: yes. but the resutling debian is very "light". No X, only command line, no browser, etc. for all this you will need some sort of network access to install |
| 06:49.50 | Iridos | wols, weird you should say that... what do I remember then |
| 06:50.04 | glisignoli | Thats fine, command line is fine |
| 06:50.07 | gimpy4309 | wols: First occurance of the word "Error" in the log: http://pastebin.com/MvHwxsZB |
| 06:50.11 | wols | Iridos: that one didn't do WPA either. there is no wpasupplicant on any netinst iso and never was :) |
| 06:50.37 | wols | glisignoli: but you have no applications or servers to run. what do you intend to do with your new debian? |
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| 06:51.18 | glisignoli | Well, get wifi working for a start, then apt-get when I want |
| 06:51.21 | wols | gimpy4309: what gcc are you using normally? |
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| 06:51.37 | wols | glisignoli: what wlan card/chip do you have? |
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| 06:52.22 | gimpy4309 | wols: I have no idea. "aptitude install build-essentail" |
| 06:52.46 | wols | gcc -v |
| 06:52.49 | gimpy4309 | wols: gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) |
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| 06:54.09 | wols | gimpy4309: well, nvidia hdmi is supported by alsa by default (and the nvidia dirvers only do video, since the audio part is already done by the kernel so no need for crappy prop drivers there) |
| 06:54.41 | wols | gimpy4309: when was this last time when you had to do special things for hdmi? |
| 06:55.04 | gimpy4309 | wols: Well I don't know then. Everything else is exactly as it was on my last build excapt this, and I have no HDMI audio. This was a few weekds ago. |
| 06:55.26 | streuner_ | Did you try another hdmi cable? |
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| 06:56.05 | streuner_ | (in order to make sure its a software issue) |
| 06:56.16 | wols | gimpy4309: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 06:56.35 | glisignoli | Ok, I' a bit sketchy on this one: http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4322 |
| 06:56.53 | wols | glisignoli: poor you |
| 06:56.56 | glisignoli | Pretty sure thats it, bassed on the limited imformation dell gives me |
| 06:56.58 | glisignoli | :( |
| 06:57.08 | wols | glisignoli: lspci -nn and you know |
| 06:57.29 | gimpy4309 | wols: http://pastebin.com/s3iEcqzi |
| 06:57.44 | glisignoli | wols: ? |
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| 06:57.59 | wols | glisignoli: if you run lspci -nn you will see which wlan chip you have |
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| 06:58.12 | wols | and broadcom ones suck. awfully |
| 06:58.25 | glisignoli | f7u12 |
| 06:58.31 | wols | gimpy4309: you have a working hdmi driver. good day |
| 06:59.14 | wols | glisignoli: or check the pciven number in the properties of devicemanager entry for your wlan |
| 06:59.19 | Iridos | wols, I kind of remember it, because... there was a choice between encrypted and unencrypted and I was a bit amused that WEP was inside the "unencrypted" choice... oh well.. can't imagine why I would remember that when there's no wpasupplicant (although... I only had WEP, so I didn't use the option, so perhaps it wouldn't have worked) |
| 06:59.44 | gimpy4309 | wols: Alsamixer reports "This sound device does not have any controls." and XBMC has no audio when I tell it to use that device. |
| 06:59.47 | wols | Iridos: I kinda doubt it was the official debian installer |
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| 07:00.46 | glisignoli | wols: Yep, BMC43XX |
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| 07:01.03 | Iridos | well... that's the mystery. I didn't install anything but debian for the last 15 years (and even that rarely, mostly, I just cloned disks)... and I don't know any other installers than official and kmuto either |
| 07:01.10 | Iridos | goes, eats some ginko pills |
| 07:01.37 | gimpy4309 | wols: In fact, XBMC reports it failed to initialize my audio device. |
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| 07:04.49 | wols | gimpy4309: and which one? hdmi or the hda on the mobo? |
| 07:05.10 | gimpy4309 | wols: I only care about HDMI. |
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| 07:07.49 | gimpy4309 | The output of aplay suggests that it does noot see the HDMI card. http://pastebin.com/BKT4Daw1 |
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| 07:09.44 | zendeavor | so, my buddy fubar'd his perms in /etc. he reinstalled all pkgs on his system so he could have default perms back |
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| 07:10.23 | zendeavor | so now i have to diff the old config files |
| 07:10.29 | Iridos | probably doesn't work as packages don't change configuration files if they are changed |
| 07:10.29 | zendeavor | back into the new dir |
| 07:10.37 | zendeavor | oh? |
| 07:10.49 | zendeavor | well then that's actually a bit more convenient |
| 07:11.00 | zendeavor | this way i don't have to diff all the configs |
| 07:11.35 | zendeavor | do you know a way to reset the perms then? |
| 07:11.51 | Iridos | play in backups? |
| 07:12.28 | zendeavor | we were looking at a couple scripts to extract the default perms from dpkg and apply those into /etc but couldn't figure out a way to combine it all together |
| 07:13.57 | wols | zendeavor: files in /etc are config files and therefore created dynamically by debconf while installing with dpkg |
| 07:14.06 | zendeavor | ahuh |
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| 07:14.11 | zendeavor | i'm an arch guy |
| 07:14.20 | zendeavor | so don't know much about this right now |
| 07:15.19 | zendeavor | so then, can it dynamically restore the default perms without overwriting the configurations? |
| 07:15.51 | zendeavor | i've been digging at it for a couple hours, and i just want to crawl back to arch |
| 07:15.51 | wols | no |
| 07:16.00 | Iridos | zendeavor, /msg dpkg confmiss is a little bit related, there is no _good_ way to do that (except playing back in backups) |
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| 07:16.58 | zendeavor | Iridos: sorry, what do you mean by playing back in backups? |
| 07:17.12 | wols | the only "good" way I can think of is installing a new copy of debian somewhere, with most the same installed stuff, then writing a script which reads the permissions and then sets them like it read them on the affected installation |
| 07:17.35 | wols | he means restoring your backup. it's important data so of course you have backups... |
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| 07:17.44 | zendeavor | not my system |
| 07:17.50 | zendeavor | he never made a proper backup |
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| 07:18.21 | zendeavor | he has backups, but not including /etc |
| 07:18.34 | zendeavor | has complete weekly backups of his system |
| 07:19.15 | gimpy4309 | Most people don't do proper backups. |
| 07:19.25 | zendeavor | indeed |
| 07:20.02 | Bushmills | usually only until catastrophic failure |
| 07:20.04 | edisto | i'm currently using ubuntu... however i keep getting hangs or plain crashes when running flash... and some other routine website building... does debian have a more stable support for flash or the same problem as ubuntu? |
| 07:20.50 | gimpy4309 | My backup script is 706 lines of Bash, not inclduing comments and blank lines. I'm not aware of any decent way to replace the perms on all of /etc. Might be fastest to rebuild the system. |
| 07:21.15 | Bushmills | edisto: debian has a policy of not supporting proprietary stuff, thereby avoiding the problem you describe |
| 07:21.28 | gimpy4309 | Unless you build another box clean and do some scripting or rsync magic to transfer mode and ownership.... |
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| 07:22.40 | gimpy4309 | edisto: If you are using the proprietary flash, it would be the same on any distro. Try upgrading your browser and flash. |
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| 07:22.59 | Bushmills | edisto: see it like, it is not ubuntu or debian or any lnux, having that problem. it is flash, causing that problem. |
| 07:23.09 | edisto | wow.... yeah i've tried using flash aid... and using the most stable version but it just hangs at times... especially on chrome |
| 07:23.32 | edisto | ant they're long drawn out hangs.... where i can't click anything... or just crashes |
| 07:23.35 | zendeavor | eh |
| 07:23.37 | edisto | ant = and |
| 07:23.44 | zendeavor | this is just gonna be a total paijn |
| 07:23.45 | zendeavor | pain |
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| 07:24.12 | zendeavor | so, reinstalling every package isn't going to overwrite anything in /etc that was modified? |
| 07:24.22 | gimpy4309 | edisto: fwiw, I have no problems with the non-free flash and chromum on Ubuntu and Debian. |
| 07:24.22 | zendeavor | i might as well go cancel that on his box then |
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| 07:25.28 | Bushmills | zendeavor: does he run any file system monitoring software, of the intrusion detection kind? those often keep copies of permisisons |
| 07:25.52 | gimpy4309 | zendeavor: The files are changed and installing the package again won't force it to change them. Just as if I have an xorg.conf then updated a part of X11 or whatever, it would not over-write my xorg.conf. |
| 07:26.14 | zendeavor | i see |
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| 07:26.22 | zendeavor | Bushmills: i have severe doubts |
| 07:26.35 | edisto | i actually own cs5... you say non-free is there an adobe flash tool for linux? |
| 07:26.37 | zendeavor | Bushmills: name a couple common ones so i can check? |
| 07:26.55 | Bushmills | samhain, for example |
| 07:26.56 | zendeavor | http://pastie.org/2262293 http://pastie.org/2262301 |
| 07:27.01 | zendeavor | those were the two scripts we checked out |
| 07:27.22 | zendeavor | looks pretty legit, but doesn't really work separately |
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| 07:28.51 | gimpy4309 | I wish Solaris updates were smart enough to not over-write customized config files. |
| 07:29.02 | zendeavor | always nice |
| 07:29.54 | Bushmills | zendeavor: no, he doesn't. or he's be spammed with alerts by now |
| 07:30.13 | zendeavor | aye, i see |
| 07:30.19 | zendeavor | fuuuu |
| 07:30.27 | zendeavor | why am i even working on this |
| 07:30.31 | zendeavor | hmph |
| 07:30.53 | gimpy4309 | zendeavor: Because working in IT is just so fun and rewarding? |
| 07:31.05 | zendeavor | it better be |
| 07:31.28 | Bushmills | because there must be people who break things, and people who fix things. |
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| 07:31.29 | zendeavor | have a look at those two scripts and tell me if there's an effective way to combine them for this task? |
| 07:32.00 | zendeavor | i'm not handy enough with shell scripting to "get" it yet |
| 07:32.18 | zendeavor | i see and understand most of what it's doing, but to combine the functionality of both i'm not sure where to start |
| 07:32.37 | zendeavor | Bushmills: indeed sir. ++ |
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| 07:33.34 | zendeavor | also, whenever i do fix this mess. can i make it impossible to run chmod -R on /etc ever again |
| 07:34.08 | zendeavor | that would just be lovely. |
| 07:35.20 | gimpy4309 | The second script looks like it would work but |
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| 07:35.44 | gimpy4309 | ...but that path is only packages installled after the OS install. |
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| 07:35.59 | gimpy4309 | So it would not include things like /etc/passwd. |
| 07:36.00 | zendeavor | hmm, that's not gonna help then |
| 07:36.01 | Bushmills | much work can go into /etc, therefore it may be a good idea to save it. either periodically round robin to archves with date encoded into file name, or to version archive. |
| 07:36.42 | zendeavor | i just use datestamped tars with preserved perms right now |
| 07:36.49 | zendeavor | not the best solution |
| 07:36.53 | zendeavor | but it works for now |
| 07:37.01 | gimpy4309 | zendeavor: rsync, rsync, and more rsync. |
| 07:37.20 | zendeavor | well i'm just now picking up rsync |
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| 07:37.36 | zendeavor | learned a couple tricks just the other day |
| 07:37.42 | zendeavor | WIP |
| 07:38.14 | gimpy4309 | zendeavor: It's very powerful. Feel free to steal code from my script: http://pastebin.com/Fbe66n4x |
| 07:38.19 | Bushmills | may be not ideal, as you're usually not making incremental backup with rsync. once the mirrored branch is overwrittten, your fallback is gone |
| 07:38.59 | edisto | debian 7 is going to have gnome 3 no? |
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| 07:39.40 | gimpy4309 | Bushmills: Not with rdiff. |
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| 07:40.04 | Bushmills | using --backup-dir, rsync would do sort of incremental, but it needs explicit instruction to do so |
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| 07:40.27 | Bushmills | and it's still up to you to create changing paths |
| 07:40.45 | zendeavor | gimpy4309: thanks i'll take a look at that too |
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| 07:41.02 | zendeavor | in the meantime, i have to fix these perms |
| 07:41.05 | zendeavor | bah. |
| 07:41.28 | qop | Hello, I am trying to dd of= two drives at once and save using two gzip proceses. I tried this: gzip -dc ./dell.bin.gz | dd of=/dev/sdc | dd of=/dev/sdd |
| 07:41.41 | qop | but although it runs happily, somehow isnt working |
| 07:42.01 | gimpy4309 | zendeavor: Like I mentioned earlier, you might want to build a clean box then use that ownership and perms against the broken one. You'd need some scripting magic to utomate it. |
| 07:42.07 | Bushmills | qop (dd ... && dd ...) | .... should work |
| 07:42.21 | gimpy4309 | ...unless rsync can do only perm changes, I don't know. |
| 07:42.39 | qop | Bushmills: pipe would break I think |
| 07:42.45 | zendeavor | gimpy4309: i guess i could use a vbox install |
| 07:42.52 | zendeavor | but |
| 07:42.55 | zendeavor | idk |
| 07:43.02 | zendeavor | i have no clue what to do, i'm pretty much at a loss here |
| 07:43.02 | Bushmills | qop: alternatively (dd ... ; dd ... ) | ... |
| 07:43.40 | Bushmills | ehm .. misread ... "using two gzip" ... sorry |
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| 07:44.04 | Bushmills | dd | gzip & dd | gzip |
| 07:44.16 | zendeavor | && |
| 07:44.26 | zendeavor | woops |
| 07:44.29 | zendeavor | wrong chan |
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| 07:44.44 | zendeavor | hits f7 |
| 07:45.39 | Bushmills | i think i misread again |
| 07:46.11 | Bushmills | qop: i have no idea what your goal is |
| 07:46.40 | qop | Bushmills: to use a single gzip output to pipe into two dd |
| 07:46.44 | gimpy4309 | qop: Maybe tee would do it? |
| 07:46.52 | qop | and avoid wasting resources in two gzips |
| 07:47.16 | qop | gimpy4309: yup... though, I dont know how to use it.. :( |
| 07:47.26 | gimpy4309 | qop: tias |
| 07:47.41 | qop | tias? |
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| 07:47.47 | gimpy4309 | try it and see |
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| 07:49.14 | qop | gimpy4309: trtt! |
| 07:49.48 | Bushmills | you could try gzip -dz ... | tee /dev/drv1 | dd ... |
| 07:50.15 | patrik83 | hi, i just want to ask if there is any way how to change the location for local delivering mails to my expectations. I have tried to execute dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, but it gives only two options, mbox format and mails are stored in /var/spool/mail/user or maildir format and the folder ~/Maildir is created. I want to use different local location for storing mails. Thank you very much. |
| 07:50.34 | gimpy4309 | zendeavor: Build a clean box and use something like the script shown here: http://fixunix.com/unix/88355-rsync-permissions-*only*.html |
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| 07:51.40 | qop | Bushmills: that would read it.. I understand what you say |
| 07:51.57 | gimpy4309 | Bed time. |
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| 07:52.59 | qop | Bushmills: my problem is writing, ie, output. gzip ./foo | tee dd of=x1 ; tee dd of=x2 ? |
| 07:53.12 | Bushmills | tee *does* write |
| 07:53.42 | Bushmills | input from gzip is split over write to file/device and pipe |
| 07:54.00 | Bushmills | duplicated, actually. not split |
| 07:54.08 | qop | you are right |
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| 07:55.52 | Bushmills | using dd - unless you convert the data somehow . in this context is akin to the use of piping to cat |
| 07:56.35 | qop | Bushmills: gzip -dc ./dell.bin.gz | tee >(dd of=/dev/sdc) >(dd of=/dev/sdd) ? |
| 07:57.28 | qop | lol nope haha |
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| 08:00.50 | qop | Bushmills: yup, pretty close |
| 08:01.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, I think you need to read a bit more about shell fundamentals.... "tee dd of=x1" doesn't make any sense |
| 08:01.08 | qop | Bushmills: its running now ty |
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| 08:03.02 | Bushmills | tee dd may make sense, if the name of the file output is directed to would be "dd" :) |
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| 08:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, I'm still trying to figure out what program >(otherprogram) does |
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| 08:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | "echo asdf >(echo kk)" returns a file descriptor next to "asdf" and "kk" |
| 08:05.49 | Bushmills | probably the opposite of < <(program) - i never used the <( ) form so i can't give you an authoritative answer. < <( ) i commonly use, though |
| 08:06.07 | Bushmills | never used the <(..) form i meant to say |
| 08:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I never use that either, although it's neat and I should... but always can't remember about it the moment it would be handy |
| 08:06.55 | Bushmills | grr... never used the >( ) form i *really* meant to say :) |
| 08:07.16 | Bushmills | seems keyboard suffers from shift key not in sync |
| 08:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... perhaps think about that some more, tell me what you *really* meant to say tomorrow :-P |
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| 08:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Well indeed... man bash: Process substitution is supported on systems that support named pipes (FIFOs) or the /dev/fd method of naming open files. It takes the form of <(list) or >(list). The process list is run with its input or output connected to a FIFO or some file in /dev/fd. The name of this file is passed as an argument to the current command as the result of the expansion. If the >(list) form is used, writing to the file |
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| 08:11.58 | Dewi | guys, what is likely to be the most transparent/robust network filesystem? |
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| 08:12.27 | Dewi | I realize the answer is probably NFS, but it seems so difficult to secure |
| 08:13.08 | Bushmills | Dewi: coda is said to be robust. if you thing of dis- and reconnects |
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| 08:13.12 | Bushmills | think |
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| 08:14.27 | Dewi | Bushmills: well I'm actually using it for a VM, so network stability is effective 100%. I am currently using samba but I'm not sure if it perfectly follows POSIX semantics for things like locking |
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| 08:16.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Bushmills, duh... so "| tee >(dd of=somefile)" would indeed work, as it's equivalent to "tee somefile" ... took me a while |
| 08:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's indeed a lot better than a simple usless use of cat |
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| 08:18.15 | pyroscope | CutMeOwnThroat: if you love doubly redundant constructs, it's great |
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| 08:18.47 | xingu | Dewi: there's some fairly large firehoses of cash aimed at gluster; you might take a look. |
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| 08:19.50 | xingu | Dewi: all network filesystems have a couple of implicit problems though; the first is memory management (it's effectly a bounce buffer attached to a really really long slow tube; so how do you handle memory pressure?) .. and... coherency issues (timestamp atomicity, etc) |
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| 08:20.20 | xingu | Dewi: "robust" and "network filesystem" are dipoles in my book. |
| 08:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was that |
| 08:20.49 | Dewi | xingu: I'm on localhost so in theory complete transparency should be possible, but actual implementations may vary :P |
| 08:20.58 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: a netsplit |
| 08:21.10 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.26 | xingu | Dewi: not really; "localhost" is a nest of fabrics of varying speeds, starting with dcache<->execution unit coherency. |
| 08:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | pyroscope, of course, it could be improved upon... someprogram |cat|cat| tee >(dd of=somefile) |
| 08:21.43 | xingu | Dewi: if you can't see the problems you're not looking at sufficient resolution, generally. :) |
| 08:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, not... I wasn't split off, I was disconnected... server must have come down completely |
| 08:21.56 | xingu | Dewi: I call this "the world looks more pleasant if you have cataracts" theory |
| 08:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but that's the answer to my question... so wasn't my local net) |
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| 08:39.26 | Mighty_Shiva | !ping |
| 08:39.26 | dpkg | Yes, mighty_shiva you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 08:40.10 | Kharec | lo |
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| 08:41.04 | everythingWorks | how do i add a user to the "sudoers" file? |
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| 08:41.24 | everythingWorks | Everytime i would like to use the "sudo" command i get "username is not in the sudoers file" |
| 08:41.26 | cahoot | try man visudo |
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| 08:42.57 | everythingWorks | also visudo is not installed :/ |
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| 08:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the sudo package |
| 08:44.19 | qop | what would you learn first? python, C++ or Java... meaning, what woul be more practiical |
| 08:44.30 | everythingWorks | ok ivs read the man, but theres no param to add a user! :( |
| 08:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, I think I already suggested shell scripting to you about an hour ago :-P |
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| 08:45.25 | everythingWorks | Additional, "visudo" just tells me "command not found" :/ |
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| 08:45.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | everythingWorks, as root |
| 08:45.47 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: :o not practical outside of *nix! |
| 08:45.56 | everythingWorks | CutMeOWn: aah! yes |
| 08:46.05 | everythingWorks | So "visudo" is located in sbin, correct? |
| 08:46.15 | qop | everythingWorks: which visudo |
| 08:46.22 | qop | everythingWorks: locate visudo |
| 08:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | qop, well, so what... the whole world is unix, except for that sorry excuse for a toaster called windows... and you _can_ install bash on that |
| 08:46.51 | everythingWorks | yep, i were right :P |
| 08:46.51 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: although I'd love to see some CMS made with it ;) |
| 08:47.18 | Gargantua | Hey guys, I'm trying to install compiz, but all the howtos I could find refer to the xorg.conf file (Which, for the life of me, I cannot find in the newest stable release), I was wondering if someone can link me to a howto or at least give me a basic walk-through, I think direct rendering is already enabled. |
| 08:47.32 | cahoot | everythingWorks, the visudo manpage also points you to man sudoers |
| 08:47.45 | wols | Gargantua: there is no xorg.conf. you can create it if youwant and then it will be used |
| 08:47.53 | Gargantua | Oh |
| 08:47.54 | qop | CutMeOwnThroat: well, there is only one project for bash web and you can not do guis with bash alone... |
| 08:47.55 | wols | Gargantua: and you haven't told us what the actual problem is |
| 08:48.02 | valdyn | Gargantua: its not needed to run compiz |
| 08:48.08 | Gargantua | The problem si that compiz does not run. |
| 08:48.16 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 08:48.16 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 08:48.17 | Gargantua | GDM stops working and compiz spits out errors. |
| 08:48.26 | Gargantua | I was going to elaborate. |
| 08:48.30 | Gargantua | :P |
| 08:48.35 | wols | !enter |
| 08:48.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 08:48.59 | Mighty_Shiva | Hi I have problem with pata disk ! |
| 08:49.15 | qop | Mighty_Shiva: what's it |
| 08:49.18 | Mighty_Shiva | It does not report anymore to a linux and I have it enabled in bios ! |
| 08:49.22 | Gargantua | Alright, sorry. |
| 08:49.35 | Mighty_Shiva | I think it maybe is near death :p |
| 08:49.44 | qop | Mighty_Shiva: mean: your pata drive isnot detected by linux? |
| 08:49.51 | Gargantua | wols, do you want me to run "compiz" in a terminal and pastebin you the errors? |
| 08:49.51 | Mighty_Shiva | just cannot see it anymore on linux ! |
| 08:50.12 | Mighty_Shiva | yeap something like that ! |
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| 08:50.35 | wols | Mighty_Shiva: as root run fdisk -l and show us the output of dmesg for a fairly freshly booted kernel |
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| 08:50.52 | Mighty_Shiva | It is detected by bios and not anymore by linux btw it have no lvm enabled and only a few ext3 and ext4 patritions |
| 08:51.02 | qop | Mighty_Shiva: boot with it unplugged, plug it in when the pc is running and dmesg |
| 08:51.21 | qop | Mighty_Shiva: verify and replace cableif possible too |
| 08:51.23 | wols | qop: that will either kill his harddisk or his PC. great advice |
| 08:51.30 | wols | Mighty_Shiva: don't do what qop said |
| 08:51.38 | Mighty_Shiva | tried and one and other |
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| 08:51.59 | Mighty_Shiva | fdisk say cannot find a /dev/sda any more :) |
| 08:52.00 | qop | wols: uhm, in theory it could... in practice, I've done it a dozen times |
| 08:52.16 | qop | Mighty_Shiva: but he is right, thats risky... |
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| 08:52.31 | Mighty_Shiva | but how can i know if its cable ? |
| 08:52.31 | wols | qop: PATA is not hot pluggable. so don't tell people to do that, ever |
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| 08:52.43 | apollo13 | hi, does someone have a gjs package version 0.7.14-1 for me? (64 bit), the new gjs kills gnome3 :/ |
| 08:52.46 | Mighty_Shiva | I tried to replace with other pata cable but it is the same |
| 08:52.54 | wols | ,versins gjs |
| 08:52.58 | wols | ,versions gjs |
| 08:53.00 | judd | Package gjs on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.1-1; wheezy: 0.7.1-2; sid: 1.29.0-1 |
| 08:53.14 | Gargantua | wols? |
| 08:53.15 | Mighty_Shiva | Yeap sata is pata ain't |
| 08:53.18 | wols | apollo13: what debian version do you run exactly? |
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| 08:53.39 | qop | Mighty_Shiva: have you tried a live cd? |
| 08:53.43 | apollo13 | wols: unstable/experimental comb gjs was 0.7.14 before it got upgraded to 1.29.0 |
| 08:53.50 | apollo13 | s/comb/combo/ |
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| 08:54.16 | wols | !sdo |
| 08:54.16 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 08:54.35 | apollo13 | wols: genious thx, will take a look |
| 08:55.04 | wols | Gargantua: our crystal ball is broken so we don't know what your error message(s) are |
| 08:55.27 | apollo13 | wols: you are my hero, bookmarked now :) |
| 08:55.31 | Gargantua | wols, okay, after I run it, GDM disappears (no window borders and what not), how do I restart it? |
| 08:56.02 | wols | Gargantua: you cannot run gdm and compiz at the same time. gdm is where you login, you cannot run compiz there |
| 08:56.04 | zykotick9 | Gargantua, "metacity --replace" and that's nautilus not GDM |
| 08:57.00 | Gargantua | Sorry, thanks zykotick9. |
| 08:57.07 | Mighty_Shiva | can I past part of messages log here ? |
| 08:57.18 | Mighty_Shiva | Yeap I'm now running a live cd :) |
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| 08:57.41 | wols | !paste |
| 08:57.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Mighty_Shiva -about pastebin |
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| 08:57.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 08:58.00 | simplechat | Hey, what is the package for dm-ioband? I can't seem to find it anywhere |
| 08:58.31 | wols | !tell simplechat about search |
| 08:59.24 | simplechat | the standard apt-cache search/aptitude searches go unanswered |
| 08:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, your psychic abilities must be back... so now you can answer the other question |
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| 09:00.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... he did ask something... didn't see <rubs eyes> |
| 09:00.25 | simplechat | lol |
| 09:00.54 | simplechat | it's really screwey. Apparently it exists and apparently it works in squeeze, but i can't find any of the packages or any guides |
| 09:00.58 | simplechat | which makes no sense whatsoever |
| 09:01.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what makes you think it exists in debian |
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| 09:02.08 | simplechat | all of the posts saying that they've tested it in squeeze |
| 09:02.16 | simplechat | random chat logs that i find from here where people suggest using it |
| 09:02.16 | simplechat | etc. |
| 09:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/ioband/wiki/dm-ioband/man/setup |
| 09:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell simplechat -about apt-file |
| 09:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ---> apt-file search dmsetup ---> dmsetup: /sbin/dmsetup |
| 09:03.13 | simplechat | i found that, but i can't find a package to find the module |
| 09:03.18 | simplechat | i have dmsetup |
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| 09:03.37 | simplechat | i just can't find i package for that module |
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| 09:03.44 | wols | simplechat: just cause people have used it in squeeze doesn'tmean there is a package for it |
| 09:03.51 | wols | just that the squeeze kernel works with it |
| 09:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's not compiled as a module? |
| 09:04.04 | simplechat | mmmmm |
| 09:04.17 | nedos | hey guys, i have a source.list question. I'm running squeeze, but i want to grab netatalk from testing, how can i do that without completely migrating to a "testing" system |
| 09:04.18 | simplechat | good point |
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| 09:04.30 | wols | !tell nedos about ssb |
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| 09:05.42 | inference | ... i just added backports and testing repositories to my sources.list |
| 09:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no, it's not... curious, usually everything that can be compiled in as a module will be compiled in |
| 09:06.01 | Gargantua | wols, http://pastebin.com/rc6KdewG |
| 09:06.10 | nedos | wols: thanks |
| 09:06.23 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, it's not there as a module |
| 09:06.24 | nedos | wols: i was kind of hoping there would be a nicer solution :/ |
| 09:06.26 | simplechat | nor is it there by default |
| 09:07.06 | wols | Gargantua: lspci -nn |grep -i vga |
| 09:07.09 | nedos | the package isn't in backports, unfortunately :/ |
| 09:07.09 | zykotick9 | Gargantua, "Software rendering detected." means you don't have real 3D on your system, which compiz requires. What graphics card are you using. |
| 09:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, oh, that's because it's not in the mainstream-kernels but would need to be added as a patch |
| 09:07.22 | simplechat | kk |
| 09:07.37 | Gargantua | zykotick9, thats strange, wols and I established earlier I had direct rendering, or is that not the same thing? |
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| 09:08.00 | Gargantua | @ wols: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series] [1002:68e0] |
| 09:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, someone suggested adding it in 2009, but there was no reply http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-xen-devel/2009-November/002545.html |
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| 09:09.33 | wols | Gargantua: have you installed the non-free firmware package? |
| 09:09.53 | Gargantua | wols, I have not, can you please tell me how to do that? |
| 09:09.58 | Mighty_Shiva | Jul 24 01:40:10 (none) user.err kernel: ata2.01: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 |
| 09:09.58 | Mighty_Shiva | Jul 24 01:40:10 (none) user.info kernel: sr 1:0:1:0: CDB: cdb[0]=0x0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
| 09:10.21 | Mighty_Shiva | ul 24 01:40:10 (none) user.err kernel: ata2.01: cmd a0/00:00:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/b0 tag 0 |
| 09:10.21 | Mighty_Shiva | Jul 24 01:40:10 (none) user.err kernel: res 08/08:08:08:08:08/00:00:00:00:00/08 Emask 0x3 (HSM violation) |
| 09:10.37 | wols | !firmware |
| 09:10.37 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 09:12.00 | Gargantua | wols, thank you, I'll read the wiki. |
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| 09:12.35 | Mighty_Shiva | here is the link http://paste.debian.net/plain/123974 |
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| 09:12.41 | wols | Gargantua: enable non-free repos and install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 09:12.51 | Gargantua | okay |
| 09:12.52 | Mighty_Shiva | just hdd related http://paste.debian.net/plain/123974 |
| 09:13.01 | Gargantua | Should the drivers for my card be in that package? |
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| 09:14.04 | Mighty_Shiva | and one more http://paste.debian.net/plain/123975 |
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| 09:14.24 | jokar | hello all |
| 09:14.26 | jokar | o/ all |
| 09:14.29 | Mighty_Shiva | output of messages :) |
| 09:14.44 | jokar | i want change my login screen in debian 6,GDM |
| 09:14.48 | Mighty_Shiva | It was when I booted up ! |
| 09:15.04 | Mighty_Shiva | jokar, what you want ? |
| 09:15.06 | jokar | in gnome,i can't find any tools for it |
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| 09:15.13 | Mighty_Shiva | to remove gdm ? |
| 09:15.20 | Mighty_Shiva | To update into gdm 3 |
| 09:15.22 | wols | Gargantua: yes. firmware, not drivers. you will then need to reboot too. and after that show us the output of glxinfo | head -n 25 |
| 09:15.23 | jokar | i want change my login screen |
| 09:15.32 | Mighty_Shiva | or just to add different window manager |
| 09:15.33 | jokar | update |
| 09:15.48 | Mighty_Shiva | you use gdm ? |
| 09:15.50 | Gargantua | wols, will do, thanks for all your help. |
| 09:15.53 | jokar | yes |
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| 09:15.59 | Mighty_Shiva | well go on login window in menu :) |
| 09:16.05 | wols | jokar: http://www.google.com/search?q=gdm+themes |
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| 09:16.18 | jokar | i want change it in kde |
| 09:16.19 | Mighty_Shiva | type your admin password or yours if you have sudo and change a picture ? |
| 09:16.25 | Mighty_Shiva | If that is what you want !? |
| 09:16.25 | jokar | i can change it in kde |
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| 09:16.43 | jokar | but in gnome i cn't |
| 09:16.48 | jokar | can't* |
| 09:16.58 | Mighty_Shiva | you can go on menu and find login manager ? |
| 09:17.00 | nedos | wols: okay, in the end with the -b flag, it was far less work than i expected. Thanks again, mate! |
| 09:17.06 | jokar | yes |
| 09:17.23 | jokar | but it is only for change password and etc |
| 09:17.23 | Mighty_Shiva | Btw you should install all appropriete packages for gdm :) |
| 09:17.30 | jokar | what? |
| 09:17.43 | jokar | whjich package? |
| 09:17.49 | jokar | which8 |
| 09:18.04 | Mighty_Shiva | you can change it into kdm xdm or chosewm |
| 09:18.21 | jokar | kdm is for kde |
| 09:18.39 | Mighty_Shiva | did you tried to logout and to do it in gdm menu ? |
| 09:18.46 | Mighty_Shiva | I mean logoff |
| 09:18.58 | jokar | gdm menu ? |
| 09:18.58 | Mighty_Shiva | and then just click configure login manager ! |
| 09:19.11 | jokar | when i logout i see login page |
| 09:19.11 | Mighty_Shiva | type password and change apperence :) |
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| 09:19.50 | jokar | can i use KDM in gnome? |
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| 09:20.17 | Mighty_Shiva | yes you can |
| 09:20.18 | wols | yes |
| 09:20.34 | jokar | Gnome for defult not have any login manager? |
| 09:20.36 | Mighty_Shiva | just when you login click session and then |
| 09:20.44 | Mighty_Shiva | click make it default :) |
| 09:20.49 | daniel-s | I'm looking for a recommendation on a latex editor |
| 09:21.00 | daniel-s | does anyone have one they can recommend? |
| 09:21.08 | wols | lyx :P |
| 09:21.12 | wols | !best |
| 09:21.13 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 09:21.19 | cahoot | vi/vim - so that's done |
| 09:21.29 | jokar | ok |
| 09:21.31 | jokar | thanks |
| 09:21.33 | jokar | ;) |
| 09:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | daniel-s, vi? :) |
| 09:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... vim, not vi |
| 09:22.34 | daniel-s | I want something with buttons and auto inserts and stuff like that |
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| 09:22.47 | daniel-s | but not too wysiwyg |
| 09:22.48 | cahoot | try lyx as suggested |
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| 09:23.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a whole keybord full of buttons, so that's not problem |
| 09:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are auto inserts |
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| 09:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what do they insert the autos into |
| 09:23.27 | Mighty_Shiva | jokar, click on options on configure login manager and then change picture :) |
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| 09:23.46 | jokar | thanks ;) |
| 09:24.02 | jokar | o/ Mighty_Shiva:;) |
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| 09:25.51 | Grieg | hih people! ) |
| 09:26.46 | Mighty_Shiva | wols, can someone check this tMeOwnThroat> what are auto inserts |
| 09:26.47 | Mighty_Shiva | * |
| 09:26.53 | Mighty_Shiva | lol |
| 09:27.03 | wols | ,pciid 10de:0ab0 |
| 09:27.04 | judd | [10de:0ab0] is 'MCP79 Ethernet' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'forcedeth', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0ab0 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 09:27.21 | Mighty_Shiva | wols http://paste.debian.net/plain/123974 and http://paste.debian.net/123975/ |
| 09:27.21 | wols | awesome pciid description... |
| 09:27.38 | wols | Mighty_Shiva: hardware failure of some sort |
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| 09:28.12 | Mighty_Shiva | ok thx I know that I just say that it report itself as working in bios ! |
| 09:28.20 | Mighty_Shiva | and ok smart status ! |
| 09:28.23 | Mighty_Shiva | thx wols |
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| 09:33.13 | Gargantua | wols, http://pastebin.com/HiCnsa1W |
| 09:33.57 | wols | Gargantua: should (hopefully) work now :) just try it... |
| 09:34.14 | Gargantua | Thanks *fingers crossed* |
| 09:34.49 | Gargantua | Software rendering detected. |
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| 09:35.55 | Gargantua | wols, same error as before :( |
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| 09:36.25 | Gargantua | Could you tell me what exactly you were looking for in the output of that command? |
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| 09:39.16 | wols | the direct rendering part and what mesa versin it uses |
| 09:39.28 | wols | but with those, it should work alright, without a problem |
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| 09:39.47 | wols | you could try the fglrx driver |
| 09:39.48 | Gargantua | Ah, any idea why it doesn't? |
| 09:40.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gargantua, how from where do you launch that? |
| 09:40.33 | wols | maybe ask #compiz how it detects software rendering |
| 09:40.36 | amigrave | is there any linux kernel 2.6.39+ backports available for squeeze ? got serious problems with <=2.6.38 |
| 09:40.36 | Gargantua | CutMeOwnThroat, do I launch what? compiz --replace? |
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| 09:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 09:40.59 | Gargantua | From the user running xorg. |
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| 09:41.02 | wols | amigrave: there isn't. you can, if careful, install 2.6.39 from unstable. why do you need a newer kernel? |
| 09:41.12 | Gargantua | "gargantua" in my case. |
| 09:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but the error is rather unambiguous |
| 09:41.59 | Gargantua | I thought so too. |
| 09:42.27 | Gargantua | wols, how do I install the fglrx? I've had better luck with them before. |
| 09:42.30 | wols | Gargantua: run tuxracer :) |
| 09:42.36 | Gargantua | Not a bad idea. |
| 09:42.36 | wols | or any other game that uses 3D :) |
| 09:42.38 | wols | !fglrx |
| 09:42.38 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gargantua, and stuff like glxgears runs fine? |
| 09:43.35 | Gargantua | 72mbs, damn. |
| 09:43.46 | Gargantua | glxgears runs fine, yes. |
| 09:44.03 | wols | Gargantua: 72MB for what? |
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| 09:44.08 | Gargantua | tuxracer. |
| 09:44.09 | wols | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 09:44.10 | judd | Package fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-6-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:11-6-3 |
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| 09:44.21 | Gargantua | !fglrx dkms |
| 09:44.22 | dpkg | [fglrx dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm ; mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf". |
| 09:44.49 | Gargantua | "Stop any <DM>", can anyone elaborate on that? |
| 09:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gargantua, oh well... I always thought compiz is more trouble than it's worth anyway |
| 09:45.08 | Gargantua | I really just want the drivers to work, compiz is slow eye candy stuff. |
| 09:45.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not even using the top and bottom of the cube for virtual desktops |
| 09:45.17 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.46 | wols | e.g anything running on ctrl+alt+f7 or f8 is bad |
| 09:45.54 | Gargantua | wols, should I just killall Xorg and killall gdm? |
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| 09:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... it's automatically restarted |
| 09:46.20 | Gargantua | Do I need to play around with etc.d then? |
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| 09:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | just what he told you |
| 09:46.33 | Gargantua | cron.d, I mean |
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| 09:46.47 | Gargantua | I'm just going to load into safemoad. |
| 09:46.51 | Gargantua | safemode* |
| 09:47.01 | Gargantua | Is that okay? |
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| 09:47.50 | wols | just don't have X running, that's all |
| 09:48.17 | Gargantua | Well I don't know how to stop it from running besides using kill or safemode :P |
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| 09:48.32 | wols | I told you above |
| 09:48.58 | Gargantua | Gah, sorry, I didn't realize that was a command. |
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| 09:49.17 | Mighty_Shiva | ok just click ctrl alt 3 and type root and password |
| 09:49.29 | Mighty_Shiva | login and then issue gdm -stop |
| 09:49.31 | Mighty_Shiva | :) |
| 09:49.32 | amigrave | wols: suspend to ram causes kernel panic. (besides speakers and microphone doesn't work) |
| 09:49.34 | Gargantua | Okay. |
| 09:49.39 | Gargantua | Thank you. |
| 09:50.07 | Mighty_Shiva | if you want then run pgrep -l X and if you see Xorg to run just kill its pid |
| 09:50.18 | Mighty_Shiva | and run if you want pkill -kill gdm |
| 09:50.28 | Mighty_Shiva | than install :) |
| 09:50.32 | Mighty_Shiva | And run gdm :) |
| 09:51.43 | Gargantua | One last thing, whatever happened to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to restart X? |
| 09:52.28 | cahoot | Dontzap is enabled by default |
| 09:52.43 | Gargantua | !dontzap |
| 09:52.43 | dpkg | As of Squeeze, terminating an X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace ("zapping") is disabled by default. To enable, run "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server (or "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"). To disable zapping in Lenny, define Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of xorg.conf, ask me about <xorg config lenny>. |
| 09:52.51 | Gargantua | Thanks. |
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| 09:54.56 | wols | amigrave: and that's all with the squeeze 2.6.32 kernel? |
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| 09:55.18 | amigrave | wols: yeps, but suspend to ram is crucial for me |
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| 09:57.43 | amigrave | wols: would you advise me to switch to testing or stick to stable and try to take testing's kernel ? |
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| 09:58.11 | babilen | DEBCONF: Understanding Debian by Bdale Garbee *now* - http://video.debconf.org:8000/Auditorium.ogv - #debconf-auditorium |
| 09:58.12 | wols | whatever you want. are you sure testing will solve your problems? |
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| 09:59.32 | amigrave | wols: well not 100% sur, anyway, I'll backup my system before trying anything, this is my workstation so I don't want to mess with it |
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| 10:00.16 | wols | amigrave: testing has a lot of messing and will have more in the near future |
| 10:00.46 | albech | i am seeing some strange behavior on my machine, when I ping or try to establish connections out of the machine it takes a while for it to succeed. Typical will the first 5-6 ICMP packages result in package loss and then it proceeds normal. What can be causing this? |
| 10:01.19 | albech | after the ICMP is then running I can restart it and I wont experience this package loss the second time |
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| 10:03.59 | Gargantua | wols, that fglrx command ran for a while, then gave an error stating "Radeon module is in use", I'm assuming I didn't shut off X right, huh? |
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| 10:04.03 | amigrave | wols: ok so I guess I better compile 2.6.39 or 3.0 myself |
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| 10:06.14 | nevyn | hrm |
| 10:06.21 | Gargantua | wols, I ran /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop (gdm didn't exist), I checked ttyl7 and 8, they had nothing but a blinking cursor, killall Xorg returned "no such process" either, I figured I did it. |
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| 10:07.34 | Gargantua | Sorry. |
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| 10:10.28 | Gargantua | Oh damn! compiz --replace works! |
| 10:10.41 | simonlnu | duh |
| 10:11.34 | Gargantua | Thanks for all the help guys. |
| 10:12.07 | simonlnu | have fun (i didn't help much, but do enjoy it) :) |
| 10:12.20 | Gargantua | Hehe |
| 10:13.16 | wols | so your radeon 5470 is too new for debian stable after all :( |
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| 10:14.33 | Gargantua | Hehe |
| 10:14.48 | Gargantua | I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. |
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| 10:17.15 | BULGARIAN-BOY | girl for me |
| 10:18.33 | amigrave | BULGARIAN-BOY: apt-get install girl |
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| 10:19.03 | Gargantua | That was quick, him being z-line. amigrave: haha |
| 10:19.07 | cahoot | just ignore please |
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| 10:21.05 | Mighty_Shiva | lol hahaha apt-get install girl |
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| 10:25.24 | abchirk | !confmiss |
| 10:25.24 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 10:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, this kind of advice is easier said than done... do NOT think of a pink elephant now :-P |
| 10:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | abchirk, you might also be interested in /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 10:26.40 | abchirk | sorry... :) |
| 10:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no worries |
| 10:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | was trying to make that sound a bit like amazon... "other customers who viewed this factoid in the channel were also shown..." |
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| 10:30.21 | abchirk | hehe okay. :) |
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| 10:40.29 | ksx4system | how do i setup dual screen setup in squeeze? i want it to be temporary (setup on my netbook, it'll be connected to second screen only sometimes) |
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| 10:40.40 | nvz | ksx4system: xrandr |
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| 10:41.29 | nvz | ksx4system: xrandr --output VGA --auto or such, read the manpage |
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| 10:41.47 | ksx4system | nvz: this is what i already found but i have no idea how to configure it, i never did multiple monitor setup under non-MacOS X box |
| 10:42.08 | babilen | ksx4system: There are also other frontends to xrandr, like arandr, grandr or lxrandr |
| 10:42.21 | nvz | ksx4system: thats what the manual page is for |
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| 10:42.36 | ksx4system | babilen: thanks, it'll help |
| 10:43.02 | babilen | ksx4system: I personally use xrandr and arandr, but figure out yourself what you are most comfortable with. :) |
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| 10:45.38 | lamah | does debian haves a firewall by default? |
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| 10:45.51 | nkuttler | lamah: no |
| 10:45.55 | nvz | lamah: its part of the kernel |
| 10:46.15 | nvz | lamah: to enable it you would need to configure rules |
| 10:46.29 | nvz | firestarter is pretty easy to use |
| 10:46.37 | lamah | nvz: i mean other |
| 10:46.40 | lamah | nkuttler: thanks |
| 10:46.45 | ksx4system | babilen: i'll try arandr and grandr. thanks again! |
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| 10:47.23 | SSChi-co | but it's difficult to install if you /sbin/iptables -P INPUT/OUTPUT/FORWARD DROP |
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| 10:47.41 | SSChi-co | gotta escape into a console before starting other than the base packages to set that up i guess |
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| 10:48.25 | babilen | SSChi-co: I don't quite see a question in there. What is it you need help with? |
| 10:49.07 | SSChi-co | just seeing which head's you're not connected to , sir |
| 10:49.16 | nvz | Looks like the question was how to confuse babilen |
| 10:49.16 | SSChi-co | i see you have infiltrated all electronical fronts |
| 10:49.45 | babilen | SSChi-co: Do you actually have a question? |
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| 10:50.07 | babilen | nvz: heh :) |
| 10:50.10 | SSChi-co | nah, the stench emanating from your keyboard driver's a question and answer in one |
| 10:50.35 | babilen | SSChi-co: Please take it elsewhere. |
| 10:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, confuse babilen |
| 10:50.51 | dpkg | No, who was our gerbil today, babilen? Pants of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra ham. |
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| 10:52.07 | nvz | nothing quite like sitting out in the f'n woods by the river before 7am listening to nonsense on IRC |
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| 10:55.44 | brixtonasias | Hi everyone. I am trying to run Virtual Box on a Debian (Squeeze) host and getting error: Can't access USB proxy service (is there such a serivce for Debian?). Any ideas hints on how to fix this? |
| 10:57.07 | nvz | brixtonasias: are you using the vbox ose package in debian or the third party one from the website? |
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| 10:57.25 | nvz | cause I don't believe the OSE one in debian has USB support |
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| 10:59.09 | valdyn | judd: versions virtualbox |
| 10:59.11 | judd | Package virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.8-dfsg-2~bpo60+1; sid: 4.0.10-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.0.10-dfsg-1 |
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| 10:59.55 | valdyn | brixtonasias: you might want to look into the squeeze-backports - i think guest support stuf that was not available in ose was freed |
| 11:00.02 | brixtonasias | nvz, True - I'm using the downloaded from their website - because OSE does not have USB support |
| 11:00.27 | valdyn | brixtonasias: you are missing their guest support drivers then |
| 11:00.45 | brixtonasias | In the OSE version I did not have a USB setting in the VirtualBox menu at all |
| 11:00.46 | valdyn | brixtonasias: or whatever they call it - its installed on the host anyway |
| 11:00.46 | nvz | brixtonasias: well then did you remember to install kernel headers so the 3rd party one could build the needed host drivers? |
| 11:00.52 | berarma | brixtonasias: you can install from squeeze-backports then install the usb extension from their site |
| 11:01.18 | valdyn | berarma: so the usb extensions are not yet free? |
| 11:01.25 | berarma | valdyn: no |
| 11:01.30 | valdyn | berarma: thanks |
| 11:01.55 | nvz | something like /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup or something if I recall |
| 11:02.14 | nvz | but you will need kernel headers to build the drivers |
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| 11:02.28 | berarma | it's be easier installing the debian packages |
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| 11:02.39 | berarma | it'd* |
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| 11:02.59 | kristian-work | hello |
| 11:03.04 | abchirk | hi |
| 11:03.06 | nvz | idk I like to stay up to date with my vbox so I just keep getting it from the site myself as well |
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| 11:04.04 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'd like to copy my /home partition to an external ntfs drive delete the partition then grow /. Is it possible to keep permissions doing that ? |
| 11:04.22 | lamah | what parameters i need for nfs-client windows part in debian? is rw,no_subtree_check,sync,insecure enough? |
| 11:04.24 | nvz | I have a lot of vboxes on here.. few of them dont quite work right.. like the mouse support for android, and still having some boot error with OSX.. but I got wheezy, and windows xp, vista, and 7 working among others.. |
| 11:04.27 | valdyn | lord_rob: not if you copy file by file -> use tar |
| 11:04.30 | kristian-work | I've been trying to install debian on CF for a while on ye olde thinkpads... I'm going nuts |
| 11:04.47 | aminpy | I want to search screen.css file to /css folder, what's command I should use? |
| 11:05.08 | valdyn | aminpy: find /css -name screen.css |
| 11:05.21 | kristian-work | the installer sees the card(s) as a hdd (it's in an adapter) but when the partition tool starts, I get an eroor |
| 11:05.24 | kristian-work | *error |
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| 11:05.34 | kristian-work | I've been trying all kinds of things |
| 11:05.41 | lord_rob | valdyn: so I make a big tar archiva on the external drive ? |
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| 11:05.49 | valdyn | lord_rob: yes |
| 11:06.09 | nvz | lamah: I didn't know there was an nfs implementation for windows.. I'd just use samba |
| 11:06.23 | berarma | kristian-work: the error is important |
| 11:06.47 | nvz | lamah: if you tar it you cfan easily preserve permissions |
| 11:06.48 | lamah | nvz: it haves but i am now with barrier with 'write' suppport |
| 11:06.57 | nvz | lord_rob: if you tar it you cfan easily preserve permissions |
| 11:07.48 | RaymondX | does gigolo have samba built in? |
| 11:07.51 | nvz | lamah: I don't follow you there.. there are no issues I'm aware of with any version of windows writing to a samba share |
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| 11:08.11 | brixtonasias | nvz, the kernel headers are installed (aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')) |
| 11:08.21 | nvz | trying to do nfs on windows just sounds like a nightmare |
| 11:08.37 | valdyn | depends on the windows version |
| 11:08.37 | brixtonasias | I just tried starting virtualbox from the command line and got: The vboxdrv kernel module is not loaded. |
| 11:08.48 | brixtonasias | Could that be in relation to my problem? |
| 11:09.25 | nvz | brixtonasias: did you run the setup after installing the headers? |
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| 11:09.39 | nvz | brixtonasias: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup |
| 11:09.40 | lord_rob | nice because I feared everything to be lost when deleting the partition ... XFS partitions can't be shrunk, I learnt that too late :( |
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| 11:10.11 | dirtycookie | hello people, I wanted to know how can I ping a certain ip-address range to search for live hosts? |
| 11:10.23 | brixtonasias | nvz, that seemed to have been to problem |
| 11:10.24 | valdyn | dirtycookie: that doesnt work |
| 11:10.28 | brixtonasias | let me double check though |
| 11:10.38 | Bushmills | dirtycookie: fping, oping, nmap |
| 11:10.43 | nvz | brixtonasias: also you typed too much there.. heh it would just be linux-headers-$(uname-r) |
| 11:10.48 | lamah | nvz: no nightmare it's a scary movie 3 |
| 11:10.53 | dirtycookie | fping... ok |
| 11:11.05 | dirtycookie | what is the exact command for nmap |
| 11:11.06 | RaymondX | force bruticus |
| 11:11.09 | brixtonasias | nvz, copied that from http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
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| 11:11.22 | Bushmills | -sP range |
| 11:11.42 | Bushmills | though there'a actually a man page which tells |
| 11:11.48 | nvz | brixtonasias: seems like an unecessary use of sed to me |
| 11:11.51 | kristian-work | berarma: I tried a bunch of things |
| 11:12.11 | berarma | kristian-work: try posting the error message here |
| 11:12.20 | kristian-work | formatting it from with DBAN... and from a sysresruecd |
| 11:12.27 | kristian-work | also DSL... no workie |
| 11:12.43 | dirtycookie | Bushmills: what is the exact command for nmap |
| 11:12.49 | kristian-work | berarma: I'm not at home |
| 11:13.03 | Bushmills | dirtycookie: (13:11:21) Bushmills: -sP range |
| 11:13.03 | Bushmills | (13:11:42) Bushmills: though there'a actually a man page which tells |
| 11:13.06 | kristian-work | I did badblocks on it, also... a bunch of errors there |
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| 11:13.22 | dirtycookie | Bushmills: thanks ill try it out |
| 11:13.38 | Bushmills | fping in conjunction with bash: fping 10.86.80.{1..10} |
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| 11:14.18 | nvz | for example my uname -r outputs 2.6.32-5-686 and the package for my headers is linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 so putting "linux-headers-2.6" then manipulating crap all around with sed just seems fugly |
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| 11:14.49 | brixtonasias | nvz, Looks like it is working now - thanks for your help |
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| 11:15.32 | nvz | brixtonasias: not a problem.. well my problem is with whoever wrote that wiki entry and put in -2.6- just to remove it again with sed anyhow.. heh |
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| 11:15.44 | nvz | seems insanely stupid to me |
| 11:16.12 | nvz | far too many keystrokes for absolutely no reason |
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| 11:17.54 | kristian-work | so I'm mainly looking for input on what to do |
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| 11:18.12 | valdyn | kristian-work: replace the disk |
| 11:18.43 | kristian-work | valdyn: disk is new, but cheapo ebay stuff... are they ripping ppl off? |
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| 11:18.49 | nvz | kristian-work: yes. certainly sounds like you need to stop using that disk immediately and get a new one if you hope to try and recover any of the data |
| 11:19.05 | nvz | kristian-work: are you in the US by chance? |
| 11:19.06 | kristian-work | I have zero data on it, luckily |
| 11:19.11 | kristian-work | nvz: Denmark |
| 11:19.14 | valdyn | kristian-work: what does ripping off have to do with this? |
| 11:19.23 | kristian-work | I read that there' |
| 11:19.32 | nvz | kristian-work: ah.. then suggesting where I get cheap disks may not help you ;) |
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| 11:19.34 | valdyn | kristian-work: im just saying that your disk is broken. |
| 11:19.41 | kristian-work | s a bunch of fake CF cards on ebay |
| 11:20.04 | kristian-work | valdyn: disks, plural... and they're new... bummer |
| 11:20.10 | nvz | oh and you're using a CF card.. |
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| 11:20.24 | valdyn | kristian-work: so youre saying that how many are broken? |
| 11:20.43 | kristian-work | 1) test in different box - 2) get new if it's the hw - 3) profit |
| 11:20.50 | kristian-work | valdyn: two |
| 11:20.57 | nvz | if you are seeing a highly unlikely scenario it may be possible whatever device you are using to access these cards is broken instead |
| 11:21.11 | kristian-work | nvz: tried different devices to |
| 11:21.25 | nvz | ah well.. sounds like you got some bad ones then |
| 11:21.30 | valdyn | kristian-work: what exactly does badblocks show? some errors? millions? |
| 11:21.34 | kristian-work | BUT I was doing it wrong at some point, ie. being violent to the cards... I can have destroyed them |
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| 11:21.43 | kristian-work | valdyn: probably millions, yes |
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| 11:21.56 | brixtonasias | nvz, Every key stroke too much is senseless :) |
| 11:22.19 | valdyn | kristian-work: if theres no good blocks in between then the error might indeed be something else |
| 11:23.11 | nvz | brixtonasias: well I am probably getting to mad about it.. but it pisses me off someone would write that in a howto when NONE of the headers packages have that string "linux-headers-2.6-" in them.. and even if they did, that would only be specific to 2.6 kernels.. heh |
| 11:23.31 | kristian-work | valdyn: I am all ears |
| 11:23.33 | nvz | if you just only type linux-headers- then add in the output of uname -r thats all you have to do |
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| 11:24.21 | valdyn | kristian-work: no idea - if theres no good blocks then its possibly not even a cf card - i cant know |
| 11:24.24 | nvz | I think sometimes people just get overly impressed with their ability to use regular expressions and use them where they arent needed.. heh |
| 11:24.49 | nvz | creates that illusion that things are more complicated than they are |
| 11:24.50 | valdyn | nvz: fix the wiki! |
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| 11:25.45 | nvz | I'm online via a cellphone roaming in 1x mode sitting by the river in the middle of nowhere.. I don't really wanna get carried away |
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| 11:26.53 | nvz | if there was a sprint cell tower within 100mi of here it would be a different story.. but in roaming, my bandwidth blows |
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| 11:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're sitting on a river in the middle of nowhere to chat in #d? |
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| 11:30.19 | nvz | yeah well its my day off and I got drunk as hell last night and for some odd reason still woke up at 6:30am |
| 11:30.45 | nvz | I don't really like to fish, so I figured this was as good an idea as any for something to do |
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| 11:31.39 | abchirk | when I have a bunch of .deb archives can I add them to aptitude cache? Because I don't want to resolve every dependency manually? |
| 11:31.43 | nvz | I tried to get on SecondLife, but it chokes on the region handshake.. the connection is just far too slow out here |
| 11:32.09 | nvz | abchirk: using gdebi will resolve those for you |
| 11:32.27 | nvz | abchirk: its a gtk package installer that is very handy for installing third party debs |
| 11:32.43 | llutz | abchirk: dpkg -i *.deb && aptitude -f install |
| 11:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions v-sim |
| 11:33.02 | judd | Package v-sim on i386 -- lenny: 3.4.0.3-1+b1; squeeze: 3.5.1-1+b1; wheezy: 3.5.2-1; sid: 3.6.0-2 |
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| 11:34.10 | abchirk | llutz, thats what I get then. :( http://dpaste.com/576311/ |
| 11:34.35 | abchirk | nvz, isn't there a console version |
| 11:35.04 | nvz | abchirk: idk actually.. but llutz's suggestion sounded good to me.. it breaks the package then fixes it |
| 11:35.08 | llutz | abchirk: run" aptitude -f install" again, |
| 11:36.00 | berarma | abchirk, llutz: wouldn't wajig handle that well? |
| 11:36.07 | nvz | abchirk: seems gdebi has a --non-interactive switch but its marked dangerous in the manpage.. heh |
| 11:36.11 | abchirk | llutz, the only suggestion is to remove wine-unstable because of unmet dependencies |
| 11:36.37 | llutz | abchirk: then you have to check your sources to make the depends available |
| 11:36.45 | nvz | abchirk: well nothing can satisfy dependencies that simply are not available in your package cache |
| 11:36.49 | llutz | berarma: no idea what wajig is :) |
| 11:36.59 | abchirk | that are the wine libs which have no maintainer :( |
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| 11:37.41 | nvz | abchirk: what are you trying to do that prompted you to use this experimental unmaintained wine code? |
| 11:37.55 | nvz | perhaps there is an easier way to go about this |
| 11:38.11 | abchirk | I just want the newest wine version or at least wine-1.3.15 |
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| 11:38.30 | nvz | ,versions wine |
| 11:38.31 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 11:38.56 | nvz | hmm.. when I have wine issues I normally look to crossover |
| 11:39.00 | berarma | abchirk: I'm looking for that too :) |
| 11:39.07 | abchirk | ;) |
| 11:39.23 | ToastigesEtwas | abchirk: I just installed Wine 1.3.15 on Stable some hours ago |
| 11:39.34 | nvz | been considering buying the new crossover, cause I still have the old 7.1 games and pro versions from the lame duck presidential challenge giveaway |
| 11:39.35 | ToastigesEtwas | I used the Ubuntu packages for it |
| 11:39.35 | abchirk | ToastigesEtwas, and how? |
| 11:39.44 | ToastigesEtwas | abchirk: Wait a second |
| 11:39.47 | berarma | I'm going to try installing wine from there: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 11:39.56 | abchirk | nvz, but this should go without paying extra money. :) |
| 11:40.02 | nvz | its probably not technically legal to distribute those but I've given them to people before.. |
| 11:40.07 | nvz | heh |
| 11:40.13 | ToastigesEtwas | abchirk: Download and run it as usual: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/wine1.3 |
| 11:40.19 | abchirk | berarma, thats what I tried some minutes ago.. but aptitude doesn't resolve the deps |
| 11:40.25 | nvz | I figure they gave em away free, and they got newer versions they make money off of |
| 11:40.50 | nvz | I use the old 7.1 versions like trials and tell people if they like it, buy the new ones.. they're not really expensive |
| 11:40.54 | abchirk | ToastigesEtwas, and aptitude resolved the deps? |
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| 11:41.16 | berarma | abchirk: it's built for sid, that I'm using btw |
| 11:41.19 | nvz | and from my experience they work incredibly well, far better than wine alone |
| 11:41.31 | abchirk | oh ok |
| 11:42.24 | berarma | abchirk: you can try to backport them |
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| 11:42.47 | ToastigesEtwas | I'd like to see a repo for W.I.N.E. as we know it from Ubuntu |
| 11:42.56 | ajikeshi__ | O_o |
| 11:42.58 | ajikeshi__ | why? |
| 11:43.06 | ToastigesEtwas | I switched to Debian some days ago, so it would be nice for beginners |
| 11:43.34 | ajikeshi__ | well just compile it yourself |
| 11:43.37 | ajikeshi__ | works best imo |
| 11:44.02 | abchirk | ajikeshi__, and the deps? So the dev libs? |
| 11:44.24 | ajikeshi__ | you can get them apt-get build-dep wine |
| 11:44.48 | ToastigesEtwas | ajikeshi__: Probably yes, but I myself am not that advanced with compiling stuff |
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| 11:45.06 | ham5 | my power went out now for some resason my gnome desktop is messed up after i log in it starts a ton of file managers sometimes i have to kill gnome-panel to get it to stop, no desktop (icons, wallpaper) and no nautilus, my settings arent loading either does this sound familar to anyone that might provide a quick fix? |
| 11:45.12 | ajikeshi__ | ToastigesEtwas, a chance to learn :D |
| 11:45.57 | ToastigesEtwas | ajikeshi__: One of a lot |
| 11:46.13 | nvz | ham5: sounds like your session manager went crazy.. |
| 11:46.23 | abchirk | ajikeshi__, so just compile and install and then aptitude build-dep wine? |
| 11:46.30 | nvz | ham5: did you by chance have all those windows open when it crashed? |
| 11:46.32 | ToastigesEtwas | Debian is a better place to learn *NIX stuff compared to Ubuntu anyway, I belive |
| 11:46.34 | ToastigesEtwas | üe |
| 11:46.38 | ToastigesEtwas | *e |
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| 11:46.43 | ajikeshi__ | no you need the build-deps before you compile |
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| 11:47.03 | ajikeshi__ | and when youre done compiling you might want to create a deb with checkinstall |
| 11:47.10 | ham5 | all those things were running fine, yes i was not home when it crahsed |
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| 11:47.24 | JeSsica`` | Helloo frendss x) |
| 11:47.52 | ham5 | session manager isent restarted when i reboot ? |
| 11:48.05 | berarma | ajikeshi__: why is better compiling himself than backporting? |
| 11:48.14 | RaymondX | how can i get network manager to work on fluxbox? |
| 11:48.16 | nvz | ham5: well in gnome, the command gnome-session runs when you login and starts everything else |
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| 11:48.42 | nvz | ham5: technically you have to tell it to remember running applications and it is only supposed to do that on a logout.. not a power failure |
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| 11:49.31 | toehio | I use autologin. How do I disable the enter keyring password dialog? How do I automatically unlock the keyring, even when using autologin? |
| 11:49.33 | ham5 | is there a forget what you know, go back to what you did command? |
| 11:49.45 | ajikeshi__ | berarma, compiling imo |
| 11:49.47 | jeeger | Greetings! I am using a debian mirror that has an AAAA entry (IPv6 address), and apt-get refuses to contact the IPv4 address (I don't have v6 connectivity). I put "precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100" into /etc/gai.conf, but still, the mirror does not work. However, I can ping it. What could be the problem? |
| 11:50.04 | ham5 | i should say i startx from root and it does the same thing... |
| 11:50.07 | nvz | ham5: I'm not certain if its nautilus or gnome session doing it.. I'd try figure out whats on the fritz first.// |
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| 11:50.20 | nvz | ham5: it has done this to you on repeated logins, right? |
| 11:50.28 | ham5 | yes |
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| 11:51.20 | nvz | ham5: then yes, try starting a plain x session and running just nautilus from the terminal and see if it still does it.. you would need to do this as your user because it may not do it as root.. could be a configuration problem |
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| 11:52.00 | nvz | I am not sure if gdm3 even has the session menu.. |
| 11:52.14 | nvz | I do not like gdm3, went back to the old gdm |
| 11:52.28 | aminpy | how can I search a text in all of the files in /css folder? |
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| 11:52.40 | nvz | aminpy: rgrep comes to mind |
| 11:52.44 | lamah | what version of nfs uses 6 |
| 11:52.49 | lamah | 3 or 4 |
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| 11:53.26 | lamah | debian 6.0 |
| 11:53.32 | nvz | aminpy: rgrep search text css/ |
| 11:53.49 | nvz | lamah: I do believe it can use either |
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| 11:54.35 | lamah | nvz: what ? |
| 11:54.56 | stew | lamah: it an use either |
| 11:54.58 | nvz | lamah: read the description of nfs-kernel-server the kernel supports both and so does the software |
| 11:55.12 | lamah | ? |
| 11:55.15 | lamah | where is that |
| 11:55.20 | stew | lamah: grep NFS_V /boot/config/$(uname -r) |
| 11:55.32 | nvz | lamah: apt-cache show nfs-kernel-server |
| 11:56.26 | ham5 | its trying to initilize 2 extetions over and over |
| 11:56.41 | nvz | ham5: when you run nautilus? |
| 11:57.04 | ham5 | xinit, then gnome-session |
| 11:57.20 | nvz | ham5: does it do that as a different user? |
| 11:57.35 | nvz | ham5: if a new user doesn't have that problem its your local configs |
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| 11:57.47 | ham5 | couldent get nautilus after xinit it faults that normal? |
| 11:57.59 | nvz | ham5: no thats not normal |
| 11:58.26 | nvz | the only thing nautilus needs is gnome-settings-daemon for themes and shit.. but it will run without it, you just wont see your themeed icons |
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| 11:58.32 | lamah | nvz: it depends on the kernel? |
| 11:58.46 | lamah | nvz: by the linux kernel.. version i mean |
| 11:58.49 | ham5 | shows those two extentions, then just seg fault |
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| 11:59.13 | nvz | lamah: the linux kernel has for a long time supported both versions, I don't offhand remember where you specif which to use |
| 11:59.17 | aminpy | nvz, thanks |
| 11:59.28 | nvz | I would think its auto-negotiated |
| 11:59.29 | lamah | nvz: i can't understand you |
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| 12:00.25 | nvz | lamah: yeah well I don't understand you either.. cause I wouldn't be trying to make nfs play nice with windows.. heh.. I'd just use its native filesharing protocol and install samba |
| 12:00.37 | lamah | ? |
| 12:00.44 | lamah | nvz: nfs -- depends on what kernel using debian? |
| 12:01.04 | nvz | what is your native language? |
| 12:01.08 | lamah | bg |
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| 12:01.55 | valdyn | lamah: it can do nfs3 and 4 |
| 12:01.58 | nvz | ah, not familiar with that.. imagine its similar in grammar to polish |
| 12:02.19 | nvz | usually knowing the native language I can make more sense of someones grammar.. heh |
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| 12:03.24 | valdyn | samba is probably faster too |
| 12:03.42 | nvz | valdyn: the root of the issue is that he seems to be trying to get windows to be an nfs client to debian and its not working and I guess he assumes its got something to do with the version of the server |
| 12:03.47 | lamah | samba is dead |
| 12:03.59 | lamah | it is hacked for 5 mins |
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| 12:04.02 | valdyn | lamah: what do you mean? |
| 12:04.13 | lamah | exactll with sync with windows |
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| 12:04.18 | valdyn | lamah: nfs is not secure either |
| 12:04.24 | lamah | valdyn: bulshit |
| 12:04.44 | valdyn | lamah: nfs is totally unsecure, read up on it |
| 12:05.31 | lamah | valdyn: ;) nfs is the new generation of share |
| 12:05.31 | nvz | heh |
| 12:05.36 | valdyn | lamah: any security would be done by embedding it in a vpn or ssl |
| 12:05.41 | nvz | haha |
| 12:05.46 | valdyn | lamah: and nfs is alot older than samba |
| 12:05.57 | lamah | v4 |
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| 12:06.26 | lamah | no no |
| 12:06.27 | lamah | i mean for win of course |
| 12:06.33 | nvz | is your real name Rube Goldberg by chance? |
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| 12:06.43 | valdyn | lamah: youre confused, use samba |
| 12:06.55 | lamah | valdyn: don't worry |
| 12:07.03 | ham5 | yes it does it to a new user, and i removed the two extentions first. |
| 12:07.34 | lamah | valdyn: i mean for win of course is a new generation to use sharing in Windows don't make crashes :)) bleh |
| 12:07.35 | lamah | :) |
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| 12:08.35 | lamah | but you don't understand me |
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| 12:08.40 | lamah | and also my english is pooor |
| 12:08.55 | valdyn | lamah: i can see that v4 supports windows semantics better |
| 12:09.38 | qop | still wonders rather to go deep into C++, Java or python right now |
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| 12:09.54 | nvz | ham5: hmm I'm having a hard time grasping what happened to your machine |
| 12:10.09 | valdyn | qop: for what purpose? |
| 12:10.29 | qop | valdyn: general, mainly guis and web |
| 12:10.35 | qop | atm |
| 12:10.39 | valdyn | qop: not c++ |
| 12:10.43 | nvz | I try to use python whenever I can, its just so easy to code in... but its not always well suited for the task |
| 12:11.04 | nvz | if you go python you probably wanna look into twisted |
| 12:11.21 | ham5 | me too ;\ but thanks ill keep at it |
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| 12:12.32 | qop | valdyn: haha, well, I really loved wt the c++ framework :p |
| 12:13.12 | lamah | valdyn: samba is a very very easy to be buffer overflowed very easy and exactly when is conneceted dirctly to windows just for seconds with scanner and and exploitable connect with shares but with home group connection with 7/2008 it is little diffenrt by difference of 'default setup network' but it still unsecure nfs doesn't have that mechanism it's a other base... it's a linux code by default |
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| 12:13.35 | nvz | qop: for web stuff you generally want things to be dynamic and not platform specific, you can't really achieve that with C++. you want something more like PHP. Perl. Python, Java.. etc |
| 12:14.04 | lamah | sorry for the wrote... i am not a really true with that but this is the log... not true:) |
| 12:14.12 | zinx | lamah: uhm, have you reported the vulnerabilities you're speaking of? |
| 12:14.42 | valdyn | lamah: i doubt you can overflow it that easily, but that was not at all my point |
| 12:14.59 | valdyn | lamah: my point was that both *protocols* are not designed for security |
| 12:15.05 | lamah | valdyn: my point is nfs haves a options to connect like the SAMBA but samba is unsecure! |
| 12:15.07 | lamah | i am sure |
| 12:15.42 | lamah | hmm maybe but i need to think but we are search for moore secure |
| 12:15.42 | nvz | they were intended to be used on a secure local network or tunneled securely |
| 12:15.45 | lamah | :) |
| 12:15.45 | lamah | heh |
| 12:16.10 | lamah | however /me is away |
| 12:17.22 | nvz | I personally only use them over OpenVPN |
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| 12:17.58 | nvz | I use ssh/scp for quick one time transfers point to point |
| 12:19.02 | qop | nvz: I dont mind compiling ;) |
| 12:19.48 | qop | nvz: either case I am left with pythin vs java still anyway |
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| 12:20.15 | nvz | qop: yeah well sounds a bit silly to me.. to create a web application that cannot be easily changed or ported |
| 12:20.27 | zinx | erh, those are two very different languages/runtimes.. there should be something that gives one an edge over the other, depending on the needs of your project |
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| 12:20.57 | nvz | qop: Java feels more like C++, personally I prefer python.. its very well documented and its very easy to code |
| 12:21.15 | qop | nvz: Java then :P |
| 12:21.42 | qop | im more used to perlish/cish |
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| 12:22.17 | nvz | I tried to learn java back when cell phones that ran java were getting popular.. got that Sams Teach Yourself Java2 in 24 1hr lessons.. didn't learn squat |
| 12:22.52 | zinx | "java" for cell phones was J2ME, which is a completely different thing from Java |
| 12:23.20 | nvz | yeah the j2me was a nightmare cause each device had a different midp |
| 12:23.34 | nvz | and the language was a very small subset of java |
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| 12:24.11 | nvz | I just thought at the time Java was the future |
| 12:24.30 | rook2pawn | java was meant for managers to manage programmers in some easily containable way |
| 12:24.37 | rook2pawn | otherwise, its nightmarish |
| 12:24.50 | rook2pawn | IMHO |
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| 12:24.59 | nvz | was trying to grasp it.. and that was a terrible book.. I dont like programming books that will say here is how you write every program, as if they're all the same, and not explain what that default structure even is |
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| 12:25.40 | nvz | I think that book assumes you have a fair prior working knowledge of OOP like C++ or something |
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| 12:26.19 | toehio | why doesn't autologin unlock the keyring? |
| 12:26.39 | nvz | toehio: are you serious? heh |
| 12:27.03 | nvz | what would be the point of a keyring if you just handed it to anyone who walks up and turns the machine on? |
| 12:27.12 | toehio | nvz: the reason you use autologin is because you're you're too lazy to enter your password |
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| 12:27.52 | nvz | toehio: if you're really that lazy and ignorant I'd say don't use a computer.. but there are ways to allow you to run what you need without fooling with that keyring.. its called sudo |
| 12:27.54 | toehio | nvz: yes, i see the reasoning behind that |
| 12:28.40 | nvz | user ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/synaptic or such |
| 12:28.45 | toehio | nvz: i'm trying to set up a public machine, and I think it's overkill to have to enter the keyring pssword to just connect to a wireless network |
| 12:28.49 | qop | thanks and leaves... a box of cookies behind |
| 12:28.51 | nvz | its not a good f'n idea really, but you can do it |
| 12:29.29 | nvz | toehio: uh what are you using that requires super-user to connect to wifi? |
| 12:29.53 | nvz | I've used n-m and wicd and neither ask for root to do it |
| 12:29.55 | nvz | they have a daemon for that |
| 12:29.56 | qop | I'd rather make an @admin group in the sudoers and allow those |
| 12:30.14 | toehio | nvz: network-manager |
| 12:30.18 | RaymondX | is squeeze the current stable right now or is it still lenny? |
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| 12:31.04 | nvz | toehio: I'm not sure why n-m would be doing that.. its daemon runs privlaged, and the client doesnt need to be |
| 12:31.23 | toehio | nvz: i don't understand either |
| 12:31.48 | toehio | nvz: searching, i've found other people with similar problems (and the exact same one), but no solution worked for me |
| 12:31.57 | albech | i am having this strange problem which I do not know if its related to the router or my host. If the host stand idle for a while it becomes not accessible from the WAN. Once the host then ping an outside connection it responds again to requests from the WAN side. Any ideas? |
| 12:32.03 | toehio | nvz: i guess i'll just do root autologin to gdm then |
| 12:32.06 | nvz | toehio: at what point does it ask you for a password? |
| 12:32.33 | toehio | nvz: right before it trys connecting to a wireless network it sees (if the wireless ap is off, it doesn't ask for apassword) |
| 12:32.54 | nvz | toehio: you have a very dangerous idea of how to use a computer.. heh.. you can cause yourself a LOT of problems |
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| 12:33.17 | nvz | I gotta run.. can't leave this computer sitting here cause its probably gonna rain |
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| 12:35.22 | toehio | albech: what happens when you reboot the router? |
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| 12:35.48 | albech | toehio, i havent rebooted the router.. |
| 12:36.48 | toehio | albech: do you have more than one host behind the router? you can see if the problem occurs on all hosts |
| 12:37.21 | albech | toehio, i have multiple hosts and its only some of these where it occurs |
| 12:38.41 | toehio | albech: i don't know then. i had a problem in the past where if i left the router on for too long, it would slow down so much that it wouldn't allow anymore connections on the WAN. i don't know if you have the same problem |
| 12:39.50 | albech | toehio, this is a high-end Juniper SRX router, but i wouldnt be surprised |
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| 12:41.02 | daemonkeeper | Actually the SRX series is low end :) |
| 12:41.31 | daemonkeeper | Or well, most of them. |
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| 12:42.09 | daemonkeeper | Do you use .1X? |
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| 12:43.27 | albech | daemon, 1400 |
| 12:43.34 | albech | daemonkeeper, 1400 |
| 12:43.40 | dos1 | JeSsica`` spams on msg when joining, could someone kick this bot? |
| 12:43.53 | daemonkeeper | One of the bigger ones then |
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| 12:44.04 | daemonkeeper | Nonetheless, do you use .1X? |
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| 12:45.58 | dos1 | i have a question - what am i supposed to do if i want to change some data in ITP bug? |
| 12:46.14 | daemonkeeper | dos1: Which data? |
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| 12:46.38 | dos1 | daemonkeeper: minor version of package |
| 12:47.09 | daemonkeeper | Ah well, that's not /that/ important. If you care enough, reply to your bug. |
| 12:47.30 | dos1 | daemonkeeper: ok, thanks |
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| 12:49.19 | daemonkeeper | dos1: Point of the ITP is just to let other people know, what you are working on. The exact version/license only matters for the initial check, some people might do when reading your ITP |
| 12:51.16 | dos1 | daemonkeeper: yeah, i've sent reply just to make life of those mentors who do it simpler :) |
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| 12:51.39 | daemonkeeper | Technically, menotrs won't care until you write the RFS. |
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| 12:53.26 | albech | daemonkeeper, .1x = 802.1x? |
| 12:53.34 | daemonkeeper | Yes, RADIUS |
| 12:53.40 | daemonkeeper | This would explain your problem. |
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| 13:00.03 | toehio | why is there no way to change the keyring password? |
| 13:00.39 | babilen | DEBCONF: Life in Debian by Enrico Zini *now* -- http://video.debconf.org:8000/Auditorium.ogv + #debconf-auditorium |
| 13:01.01 | daemonkeeper | (on OFTC) |
| 13:01.38 | babilen | daemonkeeper: right, should have noted that. Thanks! |
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| 13:15.27 | albech | daemonkeeper, no 1x enabled on the box |
| 13:15.43 | daemonkeeper | Some other soft state protocol? |
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| 13:16.56 | sinisterstuf | I have an NTFS drive that I would like mounted at startup so in fstab I have UID-of-the-drive /mount/location ntfs user,auto 0 0 |
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| 13:17.09 | sinisterstuf | the drive is mounted at startup but it's mounted at root so I can't access it as a normal user |
| 13:17.14 | sinisterstuf | what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:17.30 | albech | daemonkeeper, not that i can see, so im almost sure. |
| 13:17.36 | nvz | sinisterstuf: user and auto are mutually exclusive basically |
| 13:17.41 | sinisterstuf | it didn't work with "defaults" as the mount options and I have an ext2 partition with the same options that mounts and can read/write fine as normal user... |
| 13:17.55 | sinisterstuf | nvz: so I should pick only one? |
| 13:17.58 | nvz | sinisterstuf: what you need to do is create a group like ntfsusers or something, and then use the gid= option in fstab |
| 13:18.02 | nvz | sinisterstuf: use auto, not user |
| 13:18.14 | nvz | sinisterstuf: and use a group, and add users to that group |
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| 13:18.38 | sinisterstuf | nvz what do you mean I should use a group? |
| 13:18.42 | albech | daemonkeeper, it could also be a hypervisor or switch problem. So many places where this problem can originate from :( |
| 13:18.45 | nvz | sinisterstuf: all user does is allows a user to mount it and it gets owned by that user.. but you have to manually mount it... you can auto mount it and use a group |
| 13:18.46 | sinisterstuf | oh nvm |
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| 13:19.28 | nvz | sinisterstuf: the group allows more than one user to access the device.. if you only need one user, just put that user's uid in the fstab |
| 13:19.29 | sinisterstuf | nvz, I put the gid in the mount options right? next to auto? |
| 13:19.41 | nvz | sinisterstuf: yes |
| 13:19.48 | daemonkeeper | albech: Well, try to tackle it down. Next time it is down, try to access your box, by coming closer by one hop for every iteration. i.e. start with the router, next change to the hypervisor and try whether your box pings. |
| 13:20.13 | Cerise | what would i need to install to run a sapphire radeon hd 6850 with 3d acceleration? xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd or fglrx-driver and fglrx-glx? |
| 13:20.18 | sinisterstuf | nvz, the computer is only used by me, I assume it's something other than GID if the option specifies a single user? |
| 13:20.22 | albech | daemonkeeper, aye.. thanks for the feedback. appreciate it |
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| 13:20.44 | nvz | sinisterstuf: for a single user, assuming your user id is 1000, just put uid=1000 in the options in fstab |
| 13:20.48 | daemonkeeper | albech: If you suspect the problem on the Juniper edge, please discuss your problem in #juniper. |
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| 13:21.04 | albech | daemonkeeper, could it be a STP issue on the Cisco router? |
| 13:21.05 | nvz | sinisterstuf: you can also put gid=1000 in there too, but its not needed |
| 13:21.18 | nvz | sinisterstuf: that will make all files user and group owned by you.. |
| 13:21.18 | albech | daemonkeeper, im already in #juniper asking for some ideas |
| 13:21.18 | daemonkeeper | albech: No, STP avoids loops, it does not kill connections. |
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| 13:21.44 | sinisterstuf | nvz, thanks for all your help! |
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| 13:22.17 | albech | daemonkeeper, thanks again |
| 13:22.41 | nvz | no problm. I'll be back.. its raining and I gotta relocate my computer here.. heh |
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| 13:30.35 | petan | when my disk dispapper anyone has idea how to reload it back? |
| 13:30.45 | petan | other than rebooting it, I need to see it again in /dev |
| 13:31.19 | petan | it's sata and motherboard should have hot plug |
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| 13:32.10 | petan | or how I check if hot plug is supported by kernel |
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| 13:34.51 | wols | petan: why does your disk disappear in the first place? |
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| 13:34.59 | petan | I removed it |
| 13:35.04 | petan | power cable |
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| 13:35.24 | petan | it was raid1 part |
| 13:35.46 | petan | I would like to mount it back |
| 13:35.53 | petan | but now it isn't in dev |
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| 13:36.19 | entteri | Any ideas how to setup iptables to route? I have two diffrent LANs 192.168.101.0 /24 and 192.168.102.0 /24 and one interface for internet. Routing between the two lans work, but it won't route packet via default route to internet.... |
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| 13:36.35 | entteri | from the subnets |
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| 13:36.56 | negge | petan: why did the disk disappear in the first place? Did you swap it with another one? |
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| 13:37.02 | entteri | hosts in diffrent lans can talk but not to outside world |
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| 13:37.12 | petan | negge: I powered it down |
| 13:37.40 | negge | petan: the disk? |
| 13:37.44 | petan | yes |
| 13:37.49 | petan | I needed the cable for minute |
| 13:37.52 | negge | okay |
| 13:37.58 | negge | petan: you need to re-scan the SCSI bus |
| 13:37.59 | negge | http://rackerhacker.com/2009/04/23/re-scan-the-scsi-bus-in-linux-after-hot-swapping-a-drive/ |
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| 13:38.03 | petan | thanks! |
| 13:38.04 | negge | it should show up after that |
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| 13:41.40 | Kolyan[ufalug] | Hi all. |
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| 13:42.05 | Kolyan[ufalug] | Can i install debian to computer with EFI using only debian installer? |
| 13:42.25 | Kolyan[ufalug] | Laptop from lenovo without BIOS |
| 13:42.48 | TechDesk | i think yes |
| 13:43.18 | Kolyan[ufalug] | I cant see how to make UEFI partition in debian installer. |
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| 13:45.35 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. Is there any way I can see which non-free packages a contrib package depends on? |
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| 13:48.11 | daemonkeeper | jonaskoelker: No, because this is non injective. Some contrib packages wrap around packages which are not in Debian at all |
| 13:48.21 | petan | negge: I see 1 8 19 - faulty spare in mdadm, it shows 3 devices now, 2ok and 1 failed, do you know how to remove failed |
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| 13:48.41 | aminpy | is there a command for download all pages of an static site? |
| 13:48.46 | petan | failed is the one which was working but it see it as new drive :) |
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| 13:48.58 | petan | eg, the working one is now the failed one |
| 13:49.05 | petan | but mdadm see it as 2 devices |
| 13:49.13 | wols | aminpy: wget |
| 13:49.15 | nvz | aminpy: there is a program called httrack that does that, its in debian last I checked |
| 13:49.34 | nvz | its specifically designed for archiving websites for offline viewing |
| 13:50.00 | negge | petan: I don't remember the mdadm commands from the top of my head |
| 13:50.05 | petan | ok |
| 13:50.09 | negge | so you did re-scan the bus and the harddrive re-appeared? |
| 13:50.14 | petan | yes |
| 13:50.15 | jonaskoelker | daemonkeeper: fair point---any way to see just those in non-free, then? |
| 13:50.26 | petan | but before it has different ID in /dev |
| 13:50.32 | negge | okay |
| 13:50.41 | negge | try mdadm --assemble scan or something like that |
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| 13:50.51 | negge | but I think you should google on it or ask someone else here |
| 13:51.12 | petan | mdadm is ok now, I did --add and it's fine, just I still see failed line, it's just cosmetic issue, though |
| 13:51.31 | petan | instead of 2 I see 3 disks in array |
| 13:52.02 | petan | while the failed one is that which was added back as third |
| 13:52.17 | negge | petan: there's a command to remove drives from an array, look it up |
| 13:52.54 | An_Ony_Moose | I get this error message when I apt-get update |
| 13:52.55 | An_Ony_Moose | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 13:52.57 | An_Ony_Moose | oops |
| 13:52.58 | An_Ony_Moose | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
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| 13:53.14 | petan | yes, but it required failed disk to be present in /dev |
| 13:53.16 | An_Ony_Moose | That. Why is this? |
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| 13:53.25 | petan | but nvm, I don't think it matter |
| 13:53.27 | daemonkeeper | jonaskoelker: You mean, you are looking for a list of packages which are in non-free currently? Not that I'd know about, but http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ lists packages which reside in non-free |
| 13:54.02 | negge | petan: I think you can force it to be removed |
| 13:54.37 | jonaskoelker | daemonkeeper: I'm looking for an explanation why (e.g.) conky is in contrib when it used to be in main. Which non-free library might it be depending on? |
| 13:55.58 | babilen | jonaskoelker: Please see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579102 |
| 13:55.59 | daemonkeeper | jonaskoelker: contrib is not only for packages which are non-free, but also for packages which just extend some non-free packages, or wrap around some non-free packages not distributable at all. |
| 13:56.17 | daemonkeeper | jonaskoelker: For example flash is in contrib, but it does not actually contain Flash, but download it from Adobe. |
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| 13:56.55 | maxJadi | Hi, I am connected to my debian server throw the ssh but I can not run locate and updatedb ..... "apt-get install --reinstall findutils " did not any change ? any idea ..... thanks |
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| 13:57.36 | th0r | maxJadi: are you running it with sudo? |
| 13:57.55 | jonaskoelker | daemonkeeper: sure, contrib is more general than how I describe it. Yet I think approaching as if it was simple---as a first stab---might be fruitful. What do you think? |
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| 13:58.06 | maxJadi | th0r, I am root .. |
| 13:58.27 | th0r | maxJadi: can you see the executables? 'which locate' or 'which updatedb' |
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| 13:59.39 | daemonkeeper | jonaskoelker: Approaching what? babilen linked you to the problem of conky |
| 14:00.35 | maxJadi | th0r, No nothing after 'which locate' or 'which updatedb' |
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| 14:01.26 | th0r | maxJadi: they should both be in /usr/bin and should have shown up with that command. It appears that locate is not installed. If I remember correctly, locate is its own package now. |
| 14:02.02 | th0r | maxJadi: up....not part of find-utils anymore....apt-get install locate |
| 14:02.06 | jonaskoelker | daemonkeeper: similar problems; I just figured a "point to the non-free dependencies" would be a nice tool to have in the box |
| 14:02.08 | th0r | maxJadi: sorry...got to run |
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| 14:02.42 | maxJadi | basically i get "updatedb: command not found" after running those commands |
| 14:02.45 | maxJadi | sorry |
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| 14:02.48 | jonaskoelker | daemonkeeper: I have a handful or five of old/obsolete packages I'm trying to get rid of (e.g. by them being upgraded or superceded) |
| 14:02.52 | jonaskoelker | babilen: thanks for the link |
| 14:03.02 | cahoot | maxJadi, as root |
| 14:03.15 | maxJadi | I can not find it in bin :( yaep as root |
| 14:04.16 | babilen | DEBCONF: How to contribute and get involved by Alexander Reichle-Schmehl and Meike Reichle *now* -- http://video.debconf.org:8000/Auditorium.ogv + #debconf-auditorium |
| 14:05.23 | lduros | babilen: that's live? |
| 14:05.44 | babilen | lduros: yes |
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| 14:05.49 | lduros | babilen: cool! |
| 14:06.21 | babilen | lduros: http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/index.en.html + http://debconf11.debconf.org/watch.xhtml |
| 14:06.26 | lduros | babilen: where is it? |
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| 14:06.58 | babilen | lduros: Ddebconf11 is held in Banja Luka, Bosnia and Hercegovina |
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| 14:07.12 | lduros | babilen: Cool :-0 |
| 14:07.49 | maxJadi | Thanks, I got it :) |
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| 14:09.30 | jonaskoelker | babilen, daemonkeeper: I've read through the conky bug; all my conky packages (conky{,-std,-cli,-all}) seem to be in section contrib/utils (emphasis on contrib), except the old one, "conky". As I read the bug report, doing the package split should allow conky-${something} to be put in main. Am I right? Has it just not happened yet? |
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| 14:10.24 | jonaskoelker | unrelated: some of my packages (amd, rt, widelands-data, epic4) have versions which (invalidly!) start with a non-digit. Can people reproduce? |
| 14:11.24 | daemonkeeper | jonaskoelker: Source: epic4 (1:2.10.1-1) - what do you mean? |
| 14:11.37 | Iridos | how curious... is there a new behavior when you call "apt{-get,itude} install xxx" on an already installed package xxx? I have testing/sid in my sources.list as well and didn't notice v-sim 3.5.2-1 was already installed and they tried to get the one from wheezy even when I specified -t stable or =version |
| 14:13.09 | jonaskoelker | daemonkeeper: package 'epic4-script-thirdeye' has "Depends: epic4 (>= pre2.004-19990618)" |
| 14:13.56 | daemonkeeper | jonaskoelker: "epic4-script-thirdeye" is not a official Debian package. Whatever it is. |
| 14:14.13 | babilen | daemonkeeper: It was in sarge at least |
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| 14:14.28 | daemonkeeper | Well, sarge is one or two days older |
| 14:14.29 | jonaskoelker | Maintainer: Debian QA group |
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| 14:15.42 | daemonkeeper | It was removed long time ago apparently. |
| 14:16.09 | nvz | Iridos: I guess its thinking you want to upgrade it since its already installed.. I never done that to notice |
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| 14:16.48 | nvz | Iridos: its rather strange you have it doing that when specifying the release |
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| 14:17.59 | lduros | Meike mentioned you can get involved in web design, how can you sign up for this? :-) |
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| 14:18.29 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Webmaster |
| 14:18.31 | Iridos | nvz, yes... that's what it looks like now. I'm pretty sure that behavior wasn't present in lenny... well, my exact setup might differ (pinning vs default release), but then I'm sure that it wasn't the same in etch |
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| 14:19.01 | nvz | Iridos: I'm about to try it on here.. before I say what I was thinking.. heh |
| 14:19.49 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, ? |
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| 14:20.07 | babilen | Iridos: ENICK, lduros asked |
| 14:20.07 | Iridos | ha |
| 14:20.15 | Iridos | yeah... I realized |
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| 14:20.24 | babilen | Iridos: But you can get involved in web design too! |
| 14:20.27 | Iridos | or was in the process of doing so |
| 14:20.32 | daemonkeeper | Iridos, wrong one. was addressed to lduros |
| 14:20.34 | Iridos | babilen, hehe... yeah |
| 14:20.36 | daemonkeeper | sorry |
| 14:20.37 | jonaskoelker | daemonkeeper, babilen: how do I get old packages out of /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
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| 14:20.44 | daemonkeeper | lduros see above -^ |
| 14:20.56 | jonaskoelker | I don't have anything older than stable in my sources.list |
| 14:21.01 | jonaskoelker | (nor sources.list.d) |
| 14:21.09 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, actually that looks pretty similar to my nick if the "l" looks similar to "I" in your font |
| 14:21.18 | jonaskoelker | (I have lamaresh.net for wine, and maemo5-scratchbox-sdk-something) |
| 14:21.25 | daemonkeeper | Iridos: Hence my mistake :) |
| 14:21.25 | lduros | daemon: thanks |
| 14:21.55 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, he's an imposter though! Accept no substitues! |
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| 14:23.11 | Iridos | nvz... gorn! |
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| 14:23.48 | Iridos | anyway, I think it might be this change from the changelog: - support special release-modifier 'installed' and 'candidate' |
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| 14:25.47 | Iridos | not sure... it's a bit cryptic. But if "installed" acts as a "release modifier"... that would mean you'd begin changing release when the package is installed? |
| 14:25.56 | lduros | did debconf start at 4 today? |
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| 14:26.10 | daemonkeeper | lduros: Earlier today |
| 14:26.24 | daemonkeeper | lduros: http://penta.debconf.org/dc11_schedule/index.en.html |
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| 14:26.29 | lduros | daemonkeeper: oh ok. Will there be recorded videos too? |
| 14:26.40 | Iridos | that's from june 2010...kind of also violates the rule of least surprise |
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| 14:26.52 | babilen | lduros: Just read http://debconf11.debconf.org/ + the schedule daemonkeeper just pasted. Before Debconf we had the Debcamp |
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| 14:27.16 | babilen | lduros: There will be, but not immediately after the talks. In due course ;) |
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| 14:28.02 | lduros | babilen: great |
| 14:28.03 | lduros | :-) |
| 14:28.13 | Iridos | Bosnia! |
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| 14:34.39 | FurryHead | Do y'all know of good ICQ clients in the debian repos? |
| 14:34.50 | nkuttler | FurryHead: pidgin |
| 14:34.52 | daemonkeeper | Pidgin |
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| 14:35.46 | FurryHead | I'm sorry... I have a bad habit of forgetting this: I am on a console. |
| 14:36.06 | FurryHead | (I.e. no Xorg yet) |
| 14:36.13 | nkuttler | try centerim |
| 14:36.27 | FurryHead | Ok |
| 14:36.52 | jonaskoelker | bbiab |
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| 14:37.15 | nkuttler | yeah, centerim isn't libpurple, i'd search for a client that uses that lib |
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| 14:37.45 | FurryHead | nkuttler: Sorry, bu what's libpurple? |
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| 14:37.54 | llutz | finch |
| 14:38.31 | FurryHead | llutz: Is that directed at me? (I.e. is that a console ICQ client or are you talking to someone elsE?) |
| 14:39.09 | llutz | FurryHead: sry, yes, finch |
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| 14:39.52 | FurryHead | llutz: Ok |
| 14:39.59 | Iridos | the client that'll make you finch? |
| 14:40.52 | FurryHead | Wow. 157MB installed? |
| 14:41.11 | jair | good morning I know there is an open clipart library available in the internet, graphics we can use that are free software or opensource? |
| 14:41.53 | boudiccas | jair; good afternoon :) if you already know then why are youasking |
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| 14:42.00 | boudiccas | you asking? |
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| 14:42.35 | jair | boudiccas: I am asking because I know there is one but I don't remember the name of it and I am trying to find it in google. |
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| 14:43.28 | jair | boudiccas: so do you know what I am talking about? name? url? |
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| 14:44.32 | cahoot | free-clipart,net? |
| 14:44.42 | cahoot | s/,/./ |
| 14:44.57 | Iridos | there are several... what I wonder is how that is related to debian |
| 14:44.59 | boudiccas | jair; yes, no, no, but i remember it being on the free dvd that came out with 'Linux Format' some time back |
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| 14:45.35 | Iridos | there's a openclipart package in debian |
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| 14:46.38 | jair | I found one called openclipart.org but limited no that good graphics |
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| 14:47.45 | jair | the one I use before has icons from gnome, kde, linux software, many good icons and graphics. I am building a project and want to use DIA and all free software or opensource |
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| 14:48.08 | FurryHead | I had no idea aptitude has minesweeper O.o |
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| 14:48.33 | FurryHead | anyway, bbl - gotta set my framebuffer. |
| 14:48.51 | boudiccas | jair; have you checked out <openclipart> installable through apt-get? |
| 14:49.09 | MrStein | is the MTA after a fresh Debian install in a usable state or requires configuration? For sending email by reportbug. |
| 14:49.31 | jair | boudiccas: no I haven't but I want to keep my debian system lightweight. |
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| 14:50.52 | jair | I think I found a decent one in openclipart.org Thank you all. |
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| 14:53.11 | valdyn | MrStein: more likely than not - no |
| 14:53.30 | MrStein | what is the recommended action? dpkg reconfigure? |
| 14:53.57 | valdyn | MrStein: configure reportbug to use some real email account |
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| 14:54.52 | MrStein | valdyn: you mean when it asks if a local MTA is configured, I should answer no? |
| 14:55.01 | valdyn | MrStein: yea |
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| 14:55.22 | MrStein | is there a way to tell reportbug to resend the last report? |
| 14:55.32 | daemonkeeper | No (yes this sucks) |
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| 14:56.18 | berarma | doesn't it rest in the temp directory? |
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| 14:56.32 | jackspot | which is the best RAT can anyone |
| 14:57.28 | MrStein | daemonkeeper: are the reports saved somwehere at least ? |
| 14:58.09 | valdyn | MrStein: depending on how your smtp server was already set up its still in the queue or sent already |
| 14:58.21 | daemonkeeper | No, and yes, this sucks again. reportbug closes the case as soon as it believes your bug was sent. However more nifty setups don't actually send mails, but drop it to the drafts queue of your mailbox |
| 14:59.16 | MrStein | I have a default Debian/kbsd setup |
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| 14:59.52 | MrStein | if I try to send mail by /usr/bin/mail, I get an error mail returned. For the bugreport I got nothing returned. |
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| 15:01.04 | MrStein | What does reportbug mean by : What do you want to do now? [p|N|x|o|r|b|q|?]? |
| 15:01.13 | valdyn | MrStein: hit = |
| 15:01.15 | valdyn | MrStein: hit ? |
| 15:01.16 | MrStein | this is after showing me one of the bug reports |
| 15:01.26 | MrStein | doh ;-) |
| 15:02.34 | MrStein | loosing user entered data sucks hard. Is this tracked as a bug? |
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| 15:07.18 | MrStein | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.23 | MrStein | Where did it save it? |
| 15:07.34 | MrStein | I hat to exit due to wrong SMTP config |
| 15:08.09 | MrStein | should I have answered 'n' ? |
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| 15:12.50 | valessio | DebConf11 live on http://deb.li/WatchDC11 |
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| 15:19.01 | An_Ony_Moose | I get this error message when I apt-get update |
| 15:19.04 | An_Ony_Moose | W: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
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| 15:19.18 | An_Ony_Moose | I tried changing mirrors but still get it. Can anyone help? |
| 15:21.50 | Bushmills | looks like there's one "http" too many |
| 15:22.01 | Bushmills | ah., no.ok. never mind |
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| 15:22.55 | Bushmills | work your way from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/ down |
| 15:23.19 | Bushmills | probably a missing main or contrib there |
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| 15:24.01 | babilen | An_Ony_Moose: Could you paste your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:26.21 | An_Ony_Moose | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/123999/ |
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| 15:27.23 | An_Ony_Moose | (epic paste number :D) |
| 15:27.41 | babilen | An_Ony_Moose: line 11 is wrong, use the same (security) mirrors as on line 10 (also, we commonly write "main contrib non-free" but that doesn't matter) |
| 15:28.07 | babilen | An_Ony_Moose: I missed 123456 by two the other day :-( |
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| 15:28.38 | babilen | An_Ony_Moose: Also, if you are in France you can also use the french mirror everywhere |
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| 15:32.21 | An_Ony_Moose | babilen: I didn't write it myself, I used the GUI tool |
| 15:32.31 | An_Ony_Moose | which proves, yet again, that GUIs cannot be trusted |
| 15:32.33 | babilen | An_Ony_Moose: Which GUI tool? |
| 15:33.06 | An_Ony_Moose | babilen: Repositories in synaptic |
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| 15:33.59 | babilen | An_Ony_Moose: Ok, might be a bug. If you can reproduce it you might want to report it. (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
| 15:34.36 | An_Ony_Moose | Thanks for the help |
| 15:34.41 | An_Ony_Moose | I have to go now though |
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| 15:35.42 | FurryHead | what's the packge name for firefox? |
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| 15:35.56 | boudiccas | FurryHead; iceweasel |
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| 15:36.17 | FurryHead | Ahh, never would have guessed that. |
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| 15:38.08 | FurryHead | Does debian have a Xvesa pacakge? Xorg doesn't like me :( |
| 15:39.23 | amgarchIn9 | I have a copy of directory tree, how do I update the mtimes? Rsync thinks the copy is newer and doesnt do anything. |
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| 15:42.14 | boudiccas | does anyone know where i can get sodipodi from please? for debian 6 |
| 15:43.13 | Bushmills | inkscape has been forked from sodipodi |
| 15:43.31 | boudiccas | so inkscape has replaced sodipodi then? |
| 15:43.32 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 15:43.41 | Bushmills | yes, that's right |
| 15:43.53 | boudiccas | Bushmills; ah right, thanks for that |
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| 15:51.55 | claw | hey there i am trying to install debian using debian-6.0.1a-i386-CD-1. it says apt cannot find any kernel but network is up and running and apt is too. i already checked the md5sum so what could be the matter? |
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| 15:52.42 | przemek_ | hi everybody |
| 15:53.15 | claw | i am using a usb-stick flashed with unetbootin by the way |
| 15:53.22 | claw | may that could be a problem ? |
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| 15:56.08 | TechDesk | dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdXY |
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| 15:56.34 | claw | unetbootin does not work for that ? |
| 15:56.47 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. I --purge'd some old configs; now, dpkg complains "unknown user 'mediatomb' in statoverride file". Is it safe to remove the mediatomb lines from statoverride? |
| 15:56.51 | babilen | claw: We don't support unetbootin as it turned out to be unreliable. |
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| 15:56.56 | TechDesk | not all times (sorry i dont speak good english) |
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| 15:57.15 | claw | okay ill give it a try |
| 15:57.28 | babilen | !tell claw -about usb install |
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| 15:58.06 | kable | hi all i wanted to know if the ALL0148 from Allnetis supported? |
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| 15:58.38 | jair | hello guys I have a gnu/linux server debian, I have apache version: 2.2.16-6+squeeze1 I can access the page internal in my network and externally as well, I want to be able of share a few 2GB files but I want the users to authenticate then once is granted they can download the directories they need through http protocol (no ssl or any encryption required at this point on the file transferring process) this is what I want to accomp |
| 15:58.44 | jair | I know I can use rsync directly to the user, or just set up an ftp server. But I would like to do something a little more user friendly and elegant. |
| 15:58.49 | babilen | kable: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 15:59.43 | th0r | jair: have you looked at .htaccess files? |
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| 16:00.13 | Guest68036 | ls > filelist.txt |
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| 16:00.30 | Guest68036 | how do I get filesize into that list too? |
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| 16:00.39 | babilen | kable: Or "/msg judd pciid PCIID" if you have the pciid of that device. There is also http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
| 16:00.48 | th0r | battaglin: ls -l > ....... |
| 16:01.19 | kable | babilen: what i have is an old laptop that has 2 pcmcia slots and i want to buy a lan card |
| 16:01.41 | battaglin | th0r: kewl thnx.. also if the listing is dirs? |
| 16:02.01 | th0r | battaglin: it has been a few years, but I think .htaccess will do that too |
| 16:02.01 | Bushmills | stat -c"%n %s" * |
| 16:02.02 | NoOova_away | Hi all! i use apache2 from www-data:www-data user. ANd many users with other logins has ftp accounts and virtual hosts. What rights willl be correct for this scheme? |
| 16:02.12 | FurryHead | battaglin: You could try du |
| 16:02.17 | wols | babilen: just for shits and giggles, do a pciid on 10de:0ab0 ... not sure if this botcommand is useful for anything at all |
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| 16:02.25 | battaglin | FurryHead: I will :) |
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| 16:02.34 | Traumatizer | Hi |
| 16:02.39 | jair | th0r: no but I will take a look now |
| 16:02.51 | jair | th0r: did you get my diagram? |
| 16:02.51 | NoOova_away | add general group for users and www-data? |
| 16:02.53 | th0r | battaglin: sorry....confused two threads.... I think du might work better for recursive dirs |
| 16:03.01 | wols | babilen: note that it's an ethernet port |
| 16:03.11 | th0r | jair: no |
| 16:03.18 | babilen | wols: hehe |
| 16:03.24 | FurryHead | battaglin: It provides a directory listing closer to 'find', as in it lists ALL the files (including ones in subdirectories) but also the file sizes |
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| 16:04.36 | FurryHead | (And directory sizes) |
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| 16:05.15 | battaglin | th0r: no worries... |
| 16:05.18 | battaglin | and thnx |
| 16:05.43 | jair | th0r: I am trying to do something similar to this: http://i54.tinypic.com/2u3v5on.png |
| 16:06.11 | th0r | jair: .htaccess I think is what you are looking for |
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| 16:06.41 | th0r | jair: but like I said...it has been a few years since I messed with apache |
| 16:06.53 | jair | th0r: and I don't want to use ftp, since I already have apache and a web page built, I just need to understand how I will create a login screen and the background process to authenticate the user and give access to the directory I will be sharing with a few files on it. |
| 16:07.22 | jair | th0r: fair enough thank you very much I will take a look at that. |
| 16:07.30 | battaglin | jair: make .htacces in each users dirs |
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| 16:08.59 | battaglin | jair: http://pastebin.com/USuYB6m4 |
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| 16:09.19 | th0r | jair: if the intention of the whole process is to share a few files, you might want to look at the spideroak cloud service instead of using an apache server |
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| 16:10.45 | buhman | I installed dhcp3-server; but that package doesn't seem to have an init script |
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| 16:12.28 | epsilon | buhman: isc-dhcp-server |
| 16:12.36 | jair | battaglin: thank you very much, I have never done this so I will need to read and understand what will be the process |
| 16:12.53 | jair | th0r: I will check into php and also the cloud project you mentioned |
| 16:13.40 | jair | battaglin: I will have so far five users, do I need to create this users in my linux system as well? I think I will need to read about .htaccess |
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| 16:14.38 | buhman | epsilon: I have that installed |
| 16:15.37 | epsilon | buhman: /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server |
| 16:15.52 | buhman | epsilon: oh |
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| 16:16.39 | epsilon | just run "dpkg -L isc-dhcp-server" if you wanna know what files have been actually installed |
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| 16:18.55 | battaglin | jair: do that... if your users are setup as vhosts on your server/apache2 I assume they have separate homedirs.. its no hassle. Just follow what I posted on pastebin |
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| 16:20.08 | Bushmills | uh - there's a problem with user-definable vhosts: a faulty vhost file, linked to from sites-enabled, will prevent apache2 to start |
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| 16:20.37 | Bushmills | also, to reload. for example, when rotating logs |
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| 16:23.37 | tux_ | any docs on debian pxe boot (for install) |
| 16:23.54 | tux_ | nvm |
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| 16:24.50 | jair | battaglin: I really appreciate your help. and not, right now I want to test with one user. I want to do something similar to this: http://i54.tinypic.com/2u3v5on.png |
| 16:24.59 | buhman | epsilon: all I should need is that dhcp server with a config something like this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/445471/ |
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| 16:26.22 | jair | battaglin: the user will go to my url, presented with a login pass screen will be an html5 page I will create and in the backgroup apache and htacces etc... will do the magic, then the person will see something in their browser like a directories window where they can select and save as |
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| 16:27.23 | battaglin | jair: read my pastebin link |
| 16:27.34 | jair | battaglin: ok |
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| 16:28.03 | dpierce | what is a recommended method for dumping the output of a program (in a tty console) if '>' and 'tee' fail to properly capture it? |
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| 16:28.27 | Bushmills | dpierce: 2> |
| 16:29.06 | jair | battaglin: ok I will go ahead and create the log in html5 page |
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| 16:29.48 | Bushmills | or sdfd 2>&1 | tee ... |
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| 16:30.51 | buhman | epsilon: all I should need is that dhcp server with a config something like this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/445471/ |
| 16:31.15 | dpierce | Bushmills: you sir, are a gentleman and a schoolar. all of my internets to you. |
| 16:31.16 | buhman | epsilon: the target machine claims that there is in fact no pxe server |
| 16:31.33 | Bushmills | dpierce: no, i'm not |
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| 16:32.32 | buhman | this pxe thing always seems to be frusteratingly complicated because of these very vague manuals describing how it's done; no wonder nobody does it |
| 16:33.03 | buhman | only people that already know how to do it know how to do it, it would appear |
| 16:33.03 | Bushmills | buhman: look at dnsmasq as dhcp+tftp server |
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| 16:33.44 | Bushmills | (in addition to its name server proxy function). on package to handle all netboot server side stuff |
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| 16:33.48 | Bushmills | one |
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| 16:34.59 | Bushmills | for selecting boot images, boot pxelinux, and let its config decide what to send to the boot clients |
| 16:35.14 | latepre | does anyone have an idea about this: http://superuser.com/questions/314422/using-cookies-with-lynx |
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| 16:36.20 | Bushmills | pxelinux comes with package syslinux-common |
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| 16:36.53 | tux_ | dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket for port 53: Address already in use |
| 16:36.54 | tux_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.11 | Bushmills | guess what "already in use" could mean |
| 16:37.38 | tux_ | shhh. |
| 16:37.55 | tux_ | Are there any updated and current guides for pxe boot |
| 16:38.09 | tux_ | I need to install a debian server with no usb or cd. |
| 16:38.16 | tux_ | Just a direct cable between |
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| 16:38.38 | mmnicolas | hi, using debian squeeze with gnome, i've enabled "Pointer can be controlled using keypad" option in keyboard options, since they used the word "can" I assumed I could still use the numpad as a numpad and it would turn into a mouse keys when numlock is off, unfortunately it isnt the case, once enabled the numlock doesnt have any effect, does anyone knows if there is some gconf tricks to be done to use this feature in a convenient fashio |
| 16:38.46 | Bushmills | i'm actually running my wlan router as pxe boot server, just with dnsmasq on it. |
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| 16:38.54 | phix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6Q4FpW-sY |
| 16:39.11 | latepre | Bushmills: what software? |
| 16:39.36 | juri_ | I've reproduced #615864. |
| 16:39.37 | tux_ | Bushmills, i just want to install debian ;p |
| 16:39.49 | Bushmills | latepre: what software what for? what i boot from it? what the router runs? |
| 16:39.56 | latepre | Bushmills: router |
| 16:39.59 | Bushmills | openwrt |
| 16:40.05 | epsilon | buhman: isc-dhcp-server |
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| 16:40.29 | latepre | Bushmills: did it natively have an option for pxe? |
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| 16:40.41 | juri_ | what did i do wrong? i don't actually need it working, but.. iscsi would be nice... so, i can set up as many broken systems as necissary. ;) |
| 16:40.43 | tux_ | any help? |
| 16:41.23 | Bushmills | latepre: as said, nothing else needed. dnsmasq, and pxelinux.0 as boot image for clients |
| 16:42.02 | Bushmills | dnsmasq is dns proxy, dhcp server and tftp server |
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| 16:44.58 | rozie | Bushmills: tftp is read only in dnsmasq, but for the basic purpose it's enough. thanks for info, used dnsmasq for years and missed this feature |
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| 16:45.26 | tux_ | 4.5.1. Setting up a DHCP server |
| 16:45.30 | tux_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
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| 16:46.46 | tux_ | http://www.pastie.org/2264245 |
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| 16:47.42 | buhman | tux_: I followed that guide to the t |
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| 16:48.04 | buhman | and while everything appears to be running and configured, it just doesn't work |
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| 16:53.36 | regular | When I plug my earphones into my laptop the sound goes out through both the earphones and the speaker |
| 16:53.45 | Grub20 | are there any decent .epub converters out there? I so far only tested calibre and it sucks... |
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| 16:54.01 | regular | that it inself isn't a problem, but I'm worried that it might damage my hardware in the long run |
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| 16:54.06 | ubuntufreak | I installed Debian 6.0 amd64 in my T400 laptop using the CD, and during installation i opted out choosing a network mirror. Now iam not able to install any packages even synaptic using aptitude, kindly help |
| 16:55.06 | wols | ubuntufreak: WLAN or LAN? |
| 16:55.06 | Grub20 | ubuntufreak, ever heard of the file /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:55.09 | regular | @ubuntufreak: Add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 16:55.18 | regular | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 16:55.26 | phix | hi gang! |
| 16:55.26 | b0rsuk | Hello. I have Debian 6.0, 64 bit. I'm trying to run a game (HOMM2) with wine. It fails to initialize OpenGL. A number of solutions around the net suggest to install 32 bit OpenGL drivers, because wine is 32 bit and needs them. How do I do that ? I have ia32-libs installed. |
| 16:55.28 | ubuntufreak | wols: LAN |
| 16:55.34 | regular | deb-src http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 16:55.48 | wols | ubuntufreak: then put the deb... line regular mentioned in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 16:55.51 | wols | ubuntufreak: then put the deb... line regular mentioned in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:55.54 | regular | Sorry - without the .pl (I'm using the polish repositories because of where I live" |
| 16:55.54 | phix | b0rsuk: I have a dedicated computer for gaming, it is windows XP |
| 16:55.55 | ubuntufreak | Grub20: yes i have heard of it and will edit it now |
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| 16:56.22 | phix | .wind 14 |
| 16:56.26 | regular | @ubuntufreak so the other line will be: http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 16:56.32 | regular | If you are using squeeze |
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| 16:56.44 | regular | if not, replace it with the name of the distribution you're currently using |
| 16:56.47 | phix | regular: use woody |
| 16:56.49 | b0rsuk | phix: So the solution is "give up" ? |
| 16:56.52 | wols | ubuntufreak: choose a mirror near you: http://www.debian.org/mirror/official |
| 16:56.55 | phix | only because it sounds sexual |
| 16:57.28 | phix | b0rsuk: the solution is do what ever you want, but if you want my opionion you should give up and leave the IT to me :) |
| 16:57.57 | b0rsuk | I think... I think I've found it. Let me check... |
| 16:58.04 | wols | b0rsuk: you take the libGL.so from the same nvidia drivers you have and put it where wine can find it basically |
| 16:58.08 | ubuntufreak | wols: actually the mirror in my country is too slow can i choose the mirros posted above |
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| 16:58.25 | phix | no, I want to charge you millions of dollars for doing it!! stop thinking! |
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| 16:58.35 | b0rsuk | phix: I didn't ask you for your opinion. I asked how to install 32 bit version of ... glx, apparently. The package is installing, I'll see if it works. |
| 16:58.36 | wols | ubuntufreak: you can choose any of the mirrors linked from here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/official choose one nearest to you |
| 16:58.39 | regular | so, can the fact that the sound goes both through the earphones and through the speakers on my Debian damage my audio hardware? I know the question is silly, but I'd like to ask just in case |
| 16:58.49 | tux_ | so what files from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ do i put in /srv/tftp |
| 16:58.59 | tux_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s02.html.en#where-files |
| 16:59.02 | tux_ | doesn't help |
| 16:59.11 | buhman | tux_: it doesn't |
| 16:59.24 | buhman | tux_: the manual is *extremely* unhelpful |
| 16:59.24 | tux_ | The installation images are located on each Debian mirror in the directory debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/ the MANIFEST lists each image and its purpose. |
| 16:59.35 | phix | b0rsuk: you didn;t say you didnt want my opionion, by more specific next time |
| 16:59.43 | b0rsuk | ooookay, now I get another error. Progress ! |
| 16:59.47 | buhman | tux_: do you have bootp working one way or another? |
| 16:59.47 | tux_ | not saying that, it helped however I am unsure what files to wget |
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| 16:59.59 | tux_ | yes, now i need to move the files |
| 16:59.59 | zleslie | Howdy |
| 17:00.06 | tux_ | pxelinux.0 |
| 17:00.11 | buhman | tux_: well no, I'm asking, because I don't know :P |
| 17:00.17 | buhman | tux_: I'm trying to accomplish the same thing you are |
| 17:00.24 | tux_ | really? |
| 17:00.31 | b0rsuk | phix: "how to install 32 bit OpenGL drivers" not specific enough for you ? |
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| 17:00.50 | tux_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/BootpTFTP |
| 17:00.55 | wols | tux_: have you read the MANIFEST? |
| 17:01.00 | tux_ | yes |
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| 17:01.23 | phix | b0rsuk: how about you go fuck yourself |
| 17:01.28 | phix | <3 |
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| 17:01.57 | b0rsuk | bleh. Wine got stuck, now I'm in low res mode. |
| 17:02.08 | tux_ | For PXE booting, everything you should need is set up in the netboot/netboot.tar.gz tarball. Simply extract this tarball into the tftpd boot image directory. Make sure your dhcp server is configured to pass pxelinux.0 to tftpd as the filename to boot. |
| 17:02.09 | b0rsuk | phix: How about "no". |
| 17:02.10 | tux_ | my bad. |
| 17:02.20 | phix | b0rsuk: <3 |
| 17:02.33 | b0rsuk | Let me guess you're the mod here ? |
| 17:02.42 | latepre | not |
| 17:02.47 | b0rsuk | And you're gonna ban me just because you like being an ass ? :-) |
| 17:02.47 | phix | b0rsuk: install mac osx and click with your midle finger |
| 17:03.03 | b0rsuk | okay, /ignore. You're worse than useless. |
| 17:03.31 | cahoot | declaring /ignore is sort of contradictory |
| 17:03.46 | phix | b0rsuk: say something to the point |
| 17:03.55 | wols | b0rsuk: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-glx-ia32&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 17:03.56 | b0rsuk | cahoot: Fine, but it still works. |
| 17:04.19 | buhman | tux_: it's /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf that we're supposed to be playing with right? |
| 17:04.21 | b0rsuk | wols: thank you, but don't waste your breath on me for a while. I can barely see the text. |
| 17:04.36 | tux_ | yes |
| 17:04.42 | tux_ | http://www.pastie.org/2264245 |
| 17:04.44 | tux_ | that smine |
| 17:05.01 | zleslie | Has anyone had success with kfreebsd on the mac mini? |
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| 17:05.09 | b0rsuk | I killed wine while it emulated something. I'm stuck in low resolution world. ANy idea how to change resolution without restarting kdm ? |
| 17:05.20 | buhman | tux_: are you using bootpd? |
| 17:05.27 | tux_ | idk |
| 17:05.28 | wols | zleslie: ask your real, constructive question |
| 17:05.35 | buhman | tux_: that can't work then |
| 17:05.35 | tux_ | tftp |
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| 17:05.42 | wols | b0rsuk: xrandr or nvidia-settings |
| 17:05.42 | zleslie | wols: grouchy this morning, eh? |
| 17:05.46 | cahoot | b0rsuk, might try xrandr |
| 17:05.48 | tux_ | shhh |
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| 17:06.00 | wols | cahoot: he uses nvidia drivers :( |
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| 17:06.14 | cahoot | oh - disregard me |
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| 17:06.53 | zleslie | So my problem with kfreebsd on the mac mini is that the install seems to go perfectly fine, but on reboot it doesn't seem that the boot loader is written properly. I am just wondering if others have seen this also |
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| 17:06.55 | tux_ | what do i use for |
| 17:06.56 | tux_ | option domain-name "example.com"; |
| 17:07.15 | ubuntufreak | wols, regular : thanks guys got my sources list done now and able to install the required softwares :) |
| 17:07.27 | zleslie | tux_: I have a puppet module to deploy dhcp if you want |
| 17:07.36 | wols | ubuntufreak: for your wlan to work you will need the intel firmware |
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| 17:07.37 | tux_ | what? |
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| 17:08.08 | tux_ | http://www.pastie.org/2264338 |
| 17:08.37 | b0rsuk | cahoot, wols: If I'm reading the man page correctly, xrandr can't do that in a simple command ? I will need a bunch of arguments ? |
| 17:08.48 | tux_ | ok |
| 17:08.51 | tux_ | so i should be good |
| 17:08.52 | ubuntufreak | wols: you mean i have to install it separately from the repos ? |
| 17:08.56 | wols | zleslie: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook should be a starting point. All Macs use EFI for booting which grub2 by default doesn't deal very well. REFIt and such are developed to solve this |
| 17:09.09 | buhman | tux_: that's what I would think |
| 17:09.10 | wols | ubuntufreak: no, you have to install that from non-free |
| 17:09.13 | simonlnu | arguments to a programme is still a single command... |
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| 17:09.15 | wols | !tell ubuntufreak about iwlagn |
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| 17:09.20 | buhman | tux_: somehow I get the feeling that nobody actually knows how to do this |
| 17:09.29 | tux_ | ubuntu does |
| 17:09.29 | buhman | tux_: including the people writing the manual |
| 17:09.33 | tux_ | i did it no prob on ubuntu |
| 17:09.48 | ubuntufreak | wols: oh ok thanks will check that too |
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| 17:10.08 | b0rsuk | simonlnu: I said a *simple*, not *single*, command. |
| 17:10.26 | simonlnu | sorry, i obviously misread =) |
| 17:10.44 | simonlnu | reads it again |
| 17:10.44 | wols | b0rsuk: xrandr can't do it at all since nvidia is too daft to program for the randr extension. |
| 17:11.12 | wols | b0rsuk: only well programmed drivers can use that it seems. so you need nvidia-settings |
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| 17:11.58 | zleslie | wols: so if you are refering to the need to repartition the disk to use a dos partition table, its been done ont this partitcular system. I had freebsd on here loaded prior to attempting kfreebsd, and assumed that the partition layout should still be the saem |
| 17:12.01 | b0rsuk | wols: What is nvidia-settings ? I don't think it's a commandline tool, I can't find it with tab autocompletion. Is it a GUI tool somewhere in "start" menu ? |
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| 17:12.38 | wols | !info nvidia-settings |
| 17:12.43 | wols | ,info nvidia-settings |
| 17:12.44 | judd | Package nvidia-settings (contrib/x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver. Version: 195.36.24-1; Size: 805.5k; Installed: 2044k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/nvidia-settings |
| 17:12.59 | dpkg | nvidia-settings: (Tool for configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 275.21-1 (sid), Packaged size: 833 kB, Installed size: 1872 kB |
| 17:13.03 | buhman | tux_: my target is still complaining that there's no pxe server |
| 17:13.09 | b0rsuk | Oh. it's not installed. I feel silly :-) |
| 17:13.13 | buhman | tux_: is that the same result you're getting? |
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| 17:13.37 | b0rsuk | It's 640x480 around here, and I'm using irssi in yakuake |
| 17:14.04 | buhman | b0rsuk: my framebuffer console is larger than that |
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| 17:14.27 | ajikeshi | lol |
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| 17:15.12 | b0rsuk | Ahhh, I'm back :-). |
| 17:15.19 | buhman | b0rsuk: and this is a 10 inch screen for that matter |
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| 17:15.50 | wols | b0rsuk: read about the packages.debian.org link I gave you above? |
| 17:15.52 | b0rsuk | buhman: I guess I'm a bit lazy, I like yakuake and it has flaws like when my xorg breaks. |
| 17:16.00 | b0rsuk | wols: I'm about to /lastlog |
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| 17:16.53 | simonlnu | yeh, like not being able to switch terms via keyboard, gotta click |
| 17:16.56 | b0rsuk | wols: Thank you, I figured it out while I was typing here. |
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| 17:20.19 | b0rsuk | simonlnu: in yakuake, you can switch terms via keyboard. Shift-arrows |
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| 17:22.33 | simonlnu | thanks b0rsuk |
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| 17:22.59 | simonlnu | almost like alt-left/right on console |
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| 17:28.54 | Argafal | hi, i'm trying to use gthumb to import pictures from a digital camera. i can access the camera using gphoto2 (which I understand is what gthumb uses), however gthumb -i shows a greyed out dialog and the word "(empty)" in the list where the pictures should be |
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| 17:30.32 | berarma | why do you assume gthumb uses libgphoto2? |
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| 17:35.09 | Iridos | good question... also, apt-cache rdepends libgphoto2-2 might help finding a program that _does_ use it (or, for a more complete/confusing list "apt-rdepends -r libgphoto2-2") |
| 17:35.48 | th0r | berarma: maybe because synaptic says so |
| 17:36.12 | berarma | th0r: squeeze? |
| 17:36.33 | th0r | berarma: yup...."For camera import feature, the gPhoto2 library is used." |
| 17:36.49 | berarma | the description of the package then, not synaptic |
| 17:37.00 | th0r | berarma: that is a quote out of synaptic |
| 17:37.23 | Iridos | s/synaptic/package description/ |
| 17:37.45 | berarma | that could filed as a bug |
| 17:38.21 | Iridos | perhaps it used to used it but stopped doing so and the maintainer didn't update the package description |
| 17:38.21 | Argafal | berarma: are you saying it is NOT using gphoto? |
| 17:38.34 | berarma | Argafal: it's not in the dependencies |
| 17:38.47 | Argafal | yeah, i see your point. |
| 17:38.57 | berarma | Argafal: it might use the command-line gphoto2, which you might need to have installed |
| 17:39.19 | berarma | Argafal: but even in that case should have a dependency on it |
| 17:39.27 | Iridos | Argafal, or I just pointed out to you how to find other programs that do use it via the dependencies |
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| 17:40.05 | Argafal | Iridos: yes, i saw that, however i'd prefer to fix gthumb. |
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| 17:40.46 | Argafal | gthumb recommends gnomevfs. so i should probably read about that. |
| 17:40.47 | Iridos | no, it's most definitely not using it in squeeze. ldd /usr/bin/gthumb |grep photo |
| 17:41.11 | berarma | might be using it thru vfs or command-line |
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| 17:41.40 | berarma | Argafal: install gphoto2 and gphotofs and try again |
| 17:41.53 | Argafal | berarma: I did, didn't help. |
| 17:42.06 | Argafal | berarma: I also tested gphoto2 itself (works fine) |
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| 17:42.19 | Argafal | hence gthumb must use something in between or different |
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| 17:43.37 | berarma | ,bts 612082 |
| 17:43.38 | Iridos | well... /usr/lib/gthumb/extensions/libphoto_importer.so and /usr/lib/gthumb/extensions/libimporter.so |
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| 17:44.12 | berarma | it's bug 612082 |
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| 17:44.23 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 17:44.26 | Iridos | dpkg, dbugs 612082 |
| 17:44.30 | dpkg | #612082:I[gthumb] gthumb : missing dependency libgphoto2 (); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:33:04 UTC [] |
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| 17:44.45 | berarma | it seems gthumb wasn't compiled against libgphoto2 as the description suggests |
| 17:44.47 | berarma | thanks Iridos |
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| 17:45.41 | Iridos | hm, from february... not a lot of reaction |
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| 17:46.17 | Argafal | mh, so even if i install libgphoto2 now (which is installed) it wont help as the use of gphoto was most likely disabled during compilation. hence i should find a different package source, right? |
| 17:46.33 | Iridos | there's probably a reason though, if lenny and testing/sid have it |
| 17:46.36 | berarma | yes |
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| 17:46.59 | berarma | you can download the package source and change it so it links gphoto |
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| 17:47.21 | Iridos | dont see anything about it in the changelog |
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| 17:47.23 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 17:47.26 | gimpy3742 | I had to rebuild a system but I can't get HDMI audio working like it was. Repos, installed packages, and almost everything under /etc are the same but it stil won't work. I'm following a .bash_history of when I built this the frst time and I compiled alsa with module-assistant but now it fails with TONS of errors. Any idea what to try? http://pastebin.com/2EhQ3TcB |
| 17:47.27 | Argafal | berarma: you mean with aptitude source? |
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| 17:48.01 | lenswipe | running alienarena from synaptic, it runs at 640x480 - windowed, anything other than that crashes it, which is a bit shit if you have a 1080p monitor and capable video card |
| 17:48.05 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 17:48.08 | wols | Argafal: there is no aptitude source |
| 17:48.16 | Iridos | I don't see it in the dependencies for testing/unstable either, though |
| 17:48.19 | lenswipe | OpenArena works perfectly so theres no reason to suspect a video fault |
| 17:48.21 | wols | ,info alienarena |
| 17:48.22 | judd | No record of package 'alienarena' in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:48.26 | Argafal | apt-get source |
| 17:48.38 | wols | lenswipe: where did you get it? |
| 17:48.39 | berarma | Argafal: yes, apt-get source |
| 17:48.42 | lenswipe | judd, mind explaining how i managed to install it from synaptic then? |
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| 17:48.48 | lenswipe | wols, synaptic |
| 17:49.01 | wols | lenswipe: 3rd party repos. run apt-cache policy alienarena |
| 17:49.08 | Argafal | berarma: is there a tutorial somewhere how to take apt-get source, modify something and repackage it? |
| 17:49.17 | lenswipe | wols, its alien-arena |
| 17:49.35 | lancelot_of | how to copy a large amount of files (almost 35 GB) from one HD to another bypassing marked chars errors?I tried makin an archive with tar but it takes really a long long time (48 hours) |
| 17:49.41 | wols | Argafal: apt-get source <package>, edit it and run "dpkg-buildpackage" |
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| 17:50.54 | gimpy3742 | lancelot_of: I don't know what "marked chars errors" are, but rsync may be what you want: rsync -ah --progress /path/to/foo /path/to/bar |
| 17:51.15 | berarma | ,versions alien-arena |
| 17:51.16 | judd | Package alien-arena on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 7.0-1+lenny2; squeeze/contrib: 7.40-2; sid/contrib: 7.51-3; wheezy/contrib: 7.51-3 |
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| 17:51.56 | berarma | lenswipe: have you searched for filed bugs? |
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| 17:52.09 | lancelot_of | gimpy3742, i meant accent letters...when i try to copy some files named with accent characters, i give a lot of errors maybe due to filesystem font matters.. |
| 17:52.14 | lenswipe | berarma, no, but debain generally puts stable software in their repos |
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| 17:52.40 | berarma | lenswipe: so? |
| 17:52.46 | wols | lenswipe: what videocard and drivers? |
| 17:52.47 | gimpy3742 | lancelot_of: I don't understand the problem...show me the errors. |
| 17:53.01 | Iridos | Argafal, ok... the bug report isn't entirely correct. The version in lenny still depends on libgphoto2-2 everything from squeeze on does not. I could not see in the changelog when/why that was changed. (there probably was a good reason, though) wols just said how you can recompile from source... you can also " /msg dpkg package recompile " for a short description on how to do that |
| 17:53.12 | lenswipe | wols, nvidia card, cant remember what driver |
| 17:53.12 | wols | lancelot_of: what filesystem types are invovled? |
| 17:53.16 | lenswipe | got it off the nvidia site |
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| 17:53.23 | lenswipe | the card is a GT 250 |
| 17:53.34 | lancelot_of | gimpy3742, maybe my translation isn't good. How do you call letters like: àèéìòù ? |
| 17:53.45 | wols | lenswipe: have a nice day. and ask about all your video problems in #nvidia. good day |
| 17:53.57 | lancelot_of | wols, ext3 to reiser |
| 17:54.06 | lenswipe | wols, i hardly think thats relevant, good day |
| 17:54.09 | wols | lancelot_of: then there shouldn't be a problem imho |
| 17:54.12 | berarma | !tell lenswipe -about nvidia |
| 17:54.20 | lenswipe | wols, my video card works fine with everything else, good day |
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| 17:56.36 | lancelot_of | wols, instead copy HD1/fileà to HD2/fileà give me error like: can't copy...if i rename the fileà into filea all goes right |
| 17:56.47 | Iridos | lancelot_of, a) what errors exactly b) you can use tar with pipes as in tar -cvf - /some/dir | (cd /some/other/place && tar -xf - ) |
| 17:57.01 | Argafal | Iridos: thank you. i'll try and see if i manage to get it work |
| 17:57.08 | lancelot_of | Iridos, ^^ |
| 17:57.45 | gimpy3742 | lancelot_of: Show us exactly what you are doing and exactly what error you get. Copy and paste your terminal output to pastebin.com or somewhere. |
| 17:57.49 | Iridos | what does it say after "can't copy" |
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| 17:58.02 | Iridos | lancelot_of, perhaps the file system you try to copy to doesn't support non-ascii? |
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| 17:58.30 | Iridos | lancelot_of, also, what's the command you're trying to copy with |
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| 17:58.49 | lancelot_of | Iridos, cp -a /dir /other |
| 17:59.28 | lancelot_of | gimpy3742, can't do that 'cause i've not at hand the laptop i'm copy data from, at the moment |
| 17:59.32 | Iridos | that should work as good or bad as using tar |
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| 18:00.14 | lancelot_of | however, i'm going to emulate my problem with a usb stick, even if the fs type is different from reiser |
| 18:00.38 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 18:01.20 | berarma | lancelot_of: which encoding uses each filesystem? |
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| 18:01.35 | lancelot_of | berarma, dunno, how to know? |
| 18:02.13 | wols | berarma: can you even specify encodings? you can for vfat and I think ntfs, but I never saw it for linux native fs |
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| 18:04.11 | berarma | lancelot_of, wols: then the problem might be default encodings, don't know what's the problem but it seems related to encoding |
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| 18:05.10 | berarma | mount info, logs and exact error message could provide needed info |
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| 18:07.32 | lancelot_of | berarma, ok, later or tomorrow i'll try to provide you such informations |
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| 18:08.15 | berarma | lancelot_of: I know little to nothing about reiserfs, maybe someone else |
| 18:10.00 | crunge | anyone know if Phenom II/Asus m5a88-v EVO (motherboard)/AMD 880G (chipset) are known-bad for the installer? It just hangs for probing hardware |
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| 18:12.15 | gimpy3742 | So would anyone be able to help me figure ot why alsa won't compile on a system which is as identical as possible to one where it does compile? http://pastebin.com/2EhQ3TcB |
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| 18:13.09 | 31NAARRQT | anyone able to help me with a lost lvm volume group? |
| 18:13.30 | 31NAARRQT | I don't want to make any mistakes - at least not anymore... |
| 18:13.37 | gimpy3742 | 31NAARRQT: How is it lost? What happened? |
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| 18:14.58 | 31NAARRQT | I created a second volume group on mirrored external usb hard drives. then created some volumes, and transfered some data to it. everything seemed to be ok, but some point yesturday I noticed that the system no longer seen the new volume group but I still had volumes from it mounted |
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| 18:15.40 | 31NAARRQT | I didn't think much of it at the time, but this morning I rebooted the system in error and now the new volume group doesn't show up |
| 18:15.50 | gimpy3742 | If you do a vgdisplay do you see the second vg? |
| 18:16.04 | 31NAARRQT | no |
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| 18:16.39 | 31NAARRQT | while trying to fix it, I ran vgcreate again, and now it sees the vg, but not the old volumes |
| 18:16.54 | gimpy3742 | If you do a pvscan do you see any of the two externals? |
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| 18:18.13 | 31NAARRQT | it sees the new one now, but didn't see the original |
| 18:18.39 | gimpy3742 | Original? I don't follow. |
| 18:18.50 | boudiccas | 31NAARRQT; have you installed 'usbmount' [ i think thats what its called] which helps in mounting usb drives |
| 18:18.51 | 31NAARRQT | I ran vgcreate |
| 18:19.07 | 31NAARRQT | never had any issues mounting usb drives |
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| 18:19.17 | 31NAARRQT | I can fdisk them and see the raid partitions |
| 18:19.44 | gimpy3742 | You say these are mirrored. Mirrored how? With mdadm? Would the pv looke like /dev/sd[someletter] or /dev/md[somenumber]? |
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| 18:20.08 | 31NAARRQT | yes, mdadm, I did pvcreate /dev/md3p1 |
| 18:20.19 | crunge | more broadly, how can I troubleshoot issues with the installer when it doesn't get to a point to accept input? |
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| 18:20.24 | 31NAARRQT | which confuses me because I didn't realize I partitioned the md3 device |
| 18:20.28 | aminpy_ | I installed pppoeconfig and I configured it for pppoe ..., but when my adsl doesn't connect with my home internet (pppoe in modem) |
| 18:20.29 | gimpy3742 | OK. cat /proc/mdstat, is your mirror there and healthy? |
| 18:20.39 | barf | apt-file? lspci? |
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| 18:21.09 | 31NAARRQT | gimpy3742: it was, I broke the mirror on purpose, but it was healthy before |
| 18:21.10 | aminpy_ | should I remove pppoeconfig? |
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| 18:21.39 | 31NAARRQT | although that is one of the things that happened is the initial sync failed I think because I noticed it was broken before I lost the volumes and recreated the mirror |
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| 18:21.59 | gimpy3742 | 31NAARRQT: Is it there now? Does pvscan show the pv /dev/md3p1? |
| 18:22.14 | 31NAARRQT | Not sure if that is related to the problem, but I wasn't worried because I could still see the data on the mounted volumes after the resync completed |
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| 18:22.54 | 31NAARRQT | yes, it sees it now, but I did a vgcreate /dev/md3p1 hoping it would find the volumes |
| 18:22.54 | 31NAARRQT | but it doesn't |
| 18:23.08 | gimpy3742 | Wait, after all of this you did another vgcreate? You may have just shot yourself in the foot. |
| 18:24.08 | 31NAARRQT | yeah, that's what I was afrade of |
| 18:24.15 | gimpy3742 | On the second vgcreate didn't it complan that the pv was aready part of another vg? |
| 18:24.19 | 31NAARRQT | I was following a howto |
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| 18:24.30 | aminpy_ | I connected to internet without pppoe connection in home, when I go to my friend home (with internet with pppoe connection) I installed pppoeconfig to connect to internet and it worked, when I comeback to home my adsl (without pppoe connection) doesn't work, what should I do? |
| 18:24.30 | 31NAARRQT | now |
| 18:24.32 | 31NAARRQT | no |
| 18:25.02 | 31NAARRQT | gimpy3742: when I tried to do pvcreate /dev/md3, it said something about it being blocked |
| 18:25.16 | 31NAARRQT | lets see if I can find that in the scrollback |
| 18:25.29 | boudiccas | 31NAARRQT; got good recent backups, sounds like you're going to need them? |
| 18:25.40 | gimpy3742 | 31NAARRQT: Does lvscan show th lv? |
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| 18:26.55 | 31NAARRQT | no, sadly I don't have backups :( |
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| 18:27.30 | 31NAARRQT | any chance to recover using a disk editor? |
| 18:27.41 | 31NAARRQT | or something like that? |
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| 18:29.40 | 31NAARRQT | anyone? is there a site about lvm repair? |
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| 18:30.51 | gimpy3742 | I |
| 18:30.59 | boudiccas | 31NAARRQT; if you're going to work on it with a disk editor, then make a copy image of the drive to your h/d and work on that with the usb h/d being disconnected from the computer. that way its not so bad if you make a cock up on the image |
| 18:31.17 | gimpy3742 | I'm not sure if it is possible to recover much. Just look around for disk recovery tools. |
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| 18:33.31 | 31NAARRQT | I could cry :( |
| 18:33.41 | 31NAARRQT | thanks gusys |
| 18:33.48 | 31NAARRQT | all good advice |
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| 18:33.56 | 31NAARRQT | goes to sulk |
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| 18:34.47 | gimpy3742 | 31NAARRQT: Backups good man, backups. Mirrors are not backups. |
| 18:35.21 | 31NAARRQT | yeah, I know. I tell it to my customers all the time. was in the process of following my own advice, but not quite there :( |
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| 18:35.57 | 31NAARRQT | another question |
| 18:36.20 | boudiccas | 31NAARRQT; why not use the usb h/d for backup s using rsync to do it for you? |
| 18:36.23 | 31NAARRQT | I deleted volume groups from my original drive that contained the data, is it possible to recover from that> |
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| 18:36.56 | 31NAARRQT | boudiccas: yeah, I'm aware of how to do the backups, just never got around to it with available drive space to do it |
| 18:37.22 | 31NAARRQT | I was moving onto a new set of disks then I was going to start an rsync backup, but had to shuffle some data first |
| 18:37.30 | boudiccas | 31NAARRQT; now you see how important it is to have good backups, nuff said! |
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| 18:38.33 | raz | hmm. has anyone gotten lion's time machine to work with the netatalk from sid? |
| 18:38.58 | boudiccas | raz; and what is "lion's time machine"? |
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| 18:39.09 | raz | boudiccas: http://www.trollop.org/2011/07/23/os-x-10-7-lion-time-machine-netatalk-2-2/ |
| 18:40.36 | boudiccas | ah OSX, no joy there then |
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| 18:41.03 | raz | apple really wants to sell those overpriced time capsules it seems... |
| 18:41.07 | zleslie | wols: fwiw, I tried that link you sent me, andI tried a few things like gptsync and using grub-efi, but neither worked. I may have been using grub-efi incorrectly, so I will play more later, but the gptsync failed with operation not permitted. I assume this is because freebsd partitions are not supported, but I could be wrong |
| 18:41.37 | FurryHead | Is there a way to install Xvesa in squeeze? |
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| 18:42.50 | zleslie | raz: did they change somehting with time machine recently them? |
| 18:43.12 | stepkrav | hello, i wanted to install complexshutdown (https://launchpad.net/complexshutdown). So i downloaded the .deb package and run dpkg -i packagename.deb. Although the program is added to the menu, it doesnt run. Any ideas ? |
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| 18:43.43 | raz | zleslie: yes, it refuses to work with the current stable version of netatalk. apparently an upgrade to netatalk 2.2beta4 (the version in sid) should fix it, but doesn't for me yet. i'm now trying to create a new backup volume, perhaps that's the thing. |
| 18:43.43 | zleslie | seanw: apt-get -f install ? |
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| 18:44.16 | boudiccas | stepkrav; run it from the command line prefacing the command with strace, this will help you to see whats happening when you run it |
| 18:44.32 | stepkrav | whats strace ? |
| 18:44.43 | aminpy_ | how can I remove pppoe configuration? |
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| 18:45.18 | zleslie | stepkrav: man strace |
| 18:45.24 | zleslie | aminpy_: more information please |
| 18:45.48 | zleslie | aminpy_: your question leads me to asnwer with , rm the file |
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| 18:46.13 | nse | Where is stew? |
| 18:46.32 | boudiccas | nse; in the pot! |
| 18:46.48 | aminpy_ | zleslie, I installed and configured pppoeconf in my notebook in my friend home |
| 18:46.57 | nse | boudiccas: thank you, boudiccas |
| 18:47.09 | aminpy_ | zleslie, now in my home, I don't need to pppoe |
| 18:47.10 | boudiccas | nse; yw |
| 18:47.36 | nse | boudiccas: can I msg you? |
| 18:47.38 | zleslie | aminpy_: so shutdown the serice and remove the package? |
| 18:47.44 | nse | I mean private |
| 18:48.00 | aminpy_ | zleslie, I have the internet coming in direct through the LAN in my home |
| 18:48.00 | boudiccas | nse; maybe its too early for him to be online, but i'm just guessing, i dont know for sure |
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| 18:48.15 | nse | boudiccas: Ok. |
| 18:48.20 | gimpy3742 | So would anyone be able to help me figure ot why alsa won't compile on a system which is as identical as possible to one where it does compile? http://pastebin.com/2EhQ3TcB |
| 18:48.29 | simonlnu | he was here earlier... he's probably busy right now. |
| 18:48.37 | nse | well I have some important info, real |
| 18:48.39 | simonlnu | !tell nse -about ask |
| 18:49.05 | nse | simonlnu: Thank you |
| 18:49.19 | simonlnu | yw |
| 18:49.41 | simonlnu | i.e., just ask here |
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| 18:51.07 | boudiccas | nse; no, sorry, i dont take pm's |
| 18:51.45 | nse | Ok. well last time I tried to tell you about news I was considered a spammer. especially by stew and others |
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| 18:52.07 | simonlnu | that wasn't news, and it was off-topic |
| 18:52.08 | nse | I believe I am already out of topic and so I must leave |
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| 18:52.28 | boudiccas | nse; try #debian-offtopic |
| 18:52.29 | nse | simonlnu: Do you mean you already Ok or that is not news? |
| 18:52.33 | nse | boudiccas: Ok. |
| 18:52.44 | simonlnu | pwas present when that happened |
| 18:52.49 | simonlnu | was* |
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| 18:53.25 | nse | being off topic please don't remove my voice. (i am afraid) that is about living 140 years |
| 18:53.29 | simonlnu | nse: the link you posted was not news and it was also off-topic |
| 18:53.45 | nse | simonlnu: I understand. Well great. |
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| 18:54.16 | nse | Do I still have voice? |
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| 18:54.26 | nse | Was I banned? |
| 18:54.30 | simonlnu | like boudiccas said, there's #debian-offtopic for that sort of thing |
| 18:54.37 | nse | Ok I am leaving. Thanks for chatting. |
| 18:54.49 | nse | Great. Well, i really need to go. |
| 18:54.55 | nse | for Girls. |
| 18:54.55 | th0r | jeez |
| 18:55.04 | simonlnu | if you're ban evading now, you might get perma-banned, but yes you still have voice |
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| 18:55.16 | simonlnu | (damn lag) |
| 18:55.37 | zleslie | simonlnu: where from? |
| 18:55.50 | simonlnu | client issues |
| 18:57.57 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | [wheezy amd64] OpenShot video editor isn't working with Blender: no Python module bpy |
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| 19:08.56 | Angstrom_ | How do I upgrade pygtk to version 2.7 |
| 19:09.09 | Angstrom_ | I already did it to python2.7 from testing/unstable/experimental |
| 19:09.16 | Angstrom_ | but I'm talking about pygtk |
| 19:09.16 | boudiccas | Angstrom_; in which version of debian? |
| 19:09.19 | Angstrom_ | 6.0 |
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| 19:09.26 | Alligadi_ | debian fails to install on SSD's |
| 19:09.27 | Angstrom_ | squeeze |
| 19:09.32 | Argafal | berarma: it seems 2.11 of gthumb was a complete rewrite (or so they claim on their webpage). i went back to the lenny package on the stable machine and it works fine using gphoto. i'll now try to find out what happened afterwards, my guess is that they changed the backend. i tested three machines (stable/testing/unstable) on neither of those the camera works. |
| 19:09.34 | Alligadi_ | because grub doesnt install correctly |
| 19:09.56 | Alligadi_ | mint installs correctly but in debian installation there seams to be some problems with SSD |
| 19:10.02 | simonlnu | Alligadi_: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy or /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:10.14 | Angstrom_ | I added unstable and experimental and did apt-get install python2.7, then update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.7 10 |
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| 19:10.31 | Angstrom_ | How can I do this with pygtk or libpython |
| 19:10.32 | Alligadi_ | ? |
| 19:10.33 | Alligadi_ | whats that? |
| 19:10.38 | Angstrom_ | It's important that I change my version of pygtk |
| 19:10.45 | simonlnu | Alligadi_: that was for Angstrom_ sorry |
| 19:10.48 | Angstrom_ | What package is pygtk 2.7, python -gtk2-2.7 |
| 19:10.52 | Angstrom_ | okay |
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| 19:11.18 | Angstrom_ | I don't want to upgrade to wheezy, but I want to install one package, for squeeze |
| 19:11.36 | Chance | Hi i have an issue with my debian box that is distributing the internet for some reason it doesnt wana share internet connection anymore with my firewall rule |
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| 19:12.04 | simonlnu | then do the ssb thing |
| 19:12.16 | Angstrom_ | I typed /msg dpkg ssb and I got no response |
| 19:12.18 | Angstrom_ | What is ssb? |
| 19:12.24 | babilen | Angstrom_: I would actually suggest to compile python locally and install it to /usr/local -- You definitely don't want the default python to be 2.7. You can use pip in virtualenvs if you need anything. |
| 19:12.36 | Angstrom_ | why can't I just do apt-get install pygtk2.7 or something |
| 19:12.58 | simonlnu | because you might break stuff otherwise |
| 19:13.06 | Angstrom_ | I did it withi python 2.7 and it didn't break |
| 19:13.19 | simonlnu | yet |
| 19:13.20 | Angstrom_ | like I said I did update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.7 10 |
| 19:13.23 | Angstrom_ | update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.7 10 |
| 19:13.28 | Angstrom_ | no problems |
| 19:13.36 | Chance | The linux machine also has a dhcpd server and the windows machines from lan are taking the ip from it for some reason all machines can ping via the command prompt but none actually work if i access any address on the browsers |
| 19:13.55 | Angstrom_ | or say pygobject or pycairo |
| 19:15.02 | babilen | Angstrom_: If the versions of those packages in wheezy are not compatible with py2.7 you have to install them locally. Once again I suggest to handle all this in /usr/local and virtualenvs. Don't you like virtualenv? |
| 19:15.19 | Angstrom_ | I'm not using wheezy, I'm using experimental/unstable versions |
| 19:15.33 | marsfligth | I need to mount a 'smb://share' from a script invoked by 'crontab' as standard user. By default is not allowed, than I'm trying to edit 'fstab'. My question is, setting 'cifs noauto' in 'fstab' will can the script to mount as whit standard user? |
| 19:15.42 | jhutchins | Chance: Perhaps you have a DNS problem. |
| 19:15.45 | Angstrom_ | no I don't like virualenv |
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| 19:16.04 | Chance | jhut no not really cause it seems that all windows machines manage to resolve hosts |
| 19:16.06 | babilen | Angstrom_: Sorry, I meant squeeze not wheezy. |
| 19:16.11 | babilen | Angstrom_: Why not? |
| 19:16.27 | babilen | Angstrom_: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 19:17.07 | Chance | jhutchins these are my fw rules http://pastebin.com/uB8fGb24 |
| 19:17.12 | Chance | maybe i miss something from there |
| 19:18.02 | Angstrom_ | I'm trying to install pygtk 2.7. that is all, nothing else |
| 19:18.29 | jhutchins | Chance: Where did you get them? |
| 19:18.42 | Chance | i made them are they so bad ? |
| 19:19.00 | jhutchins | Nope. Look ok to me, but it's been a while. |
| 19:19.10 | jhutchins | Chance: This is my reference: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 19:19.29 | jhutchins | Chance: Does DNS work? Are the systems pointing to the correct gateway? |
| 19:20.11 | Chance | on the windows machine i open start > command prompt > ping google.com and it works with no problem |
| 19:20.29 | Chance | but when i try to access it on the browser it's like getting stucked |
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| 19:21.09 | babilen | Angstrom_: python-gobject works with 2.6 and 2.7 |
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| 19:22.14 | simonlnu | stuck. stuck is already past tense |
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| 19:24.43 | Angstrom_ | ok |
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| 19:25.44 | Angstrom_ | File "/usr/local/share/gameconqueror/GameConqueror.py", line 32, in <module> import pygtk |
| 19:25.46 | Angstrom_ | ImportError: No module named pygtk |
| 19:25.53 | Angstrom_ | What do I do with that error |
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| 19:26.54 | joltcan | Angstrom_: apt-cache search python gtk |
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| 19:27.06 | joltcan | and see if you find a nice lib that might include that module |
| 19:27.18 | Alligadi_ | grub is not SSD compatible? :-O |
| 19:27.47 | Alligadi_ | grub-install /dev/sdb5 /usr/local/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot stat `unionfs'. |
| 19:27.54 | joltcan | Alligadi_: Why should grub care about which device it is installed to? |
| 19:28.08 | Alligadi_ | because it says: no block device often |
| 19:28.17 | Alligadi_ | so it seams to care about devices |
| 19:28.33 | joltcan | Angstrom_: maybe python-gtk2 might work for you |
| 19:28.34 | Alligadi_ | and debian failed to install it correctly |
| 19:28.39 | Alligadi_ | and its a SSD |
| 19:28.43 | Chance | strange |
| 19:28.47 | Alligadi_ | so i thought the reason may be grub |
| 19:28.59 | Chance | lsmod |grep masq doesnt show masquerade module |
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| 19:29.34 | joltcan | Alligadi_: sounds like unionfs is the culprit here, but I don't understand why. Thats normally used for devices like small wireless routers etc, its a RAM fs |
| 19:29.52 | Alligadi_ | its a ext3 |
| 19:30.00 | joltcan | Alligadi_: Never seen that on the laptops at work either |
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| 19:30.09 | Alligadi_ | but grub talks about unionfs |
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| 19:30.24 | Angstrom_ | joltcan: apt-get install python-gtk2 The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-dev : Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed |
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| 19:30.27 | Angstrom_ | E: Broken packages |
| 19:30.35 | Alligadi_ | but Mint boots hm |
| 19:30.44 | Alligadi_ | but then i replaced it with debian |
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| 19:30.44 | joltcan | Alligadi_: Ey, why does it say /usr/local/sbin/grub-probe? Did you build it yourself? |
| 19:30.52 | Alligadi_ | yes i did |
| 19:30.53 | Angstrom_ | as you can see it doesn't work |
| 19:30.58 | Angstrom_ | I tried getting p ython-gtk2 |
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| 19:31.14 | Alligadi_ | because there is no binary release it seams |
| 19:31.18 | joltcan | Alligadi_: Yes, but then it's even harder to try and figure out why it doesn't work |
| 19:31.33 | Alligadi_ | hm |
| 19:31.34 | joltcan | Alligadi_: thats because grub-pc is grub2 in debian |
| 19:32.09 | joltcan | Alligadi_: Did you read some old tutorial perhaps? there is a lot of confusion in old articles about Lenny |
| 19:32.09 | Alligadi_ | what does that mean? |
| 19:32.36 | Alligadi_ | debian doesnt even boot so i tried to install it manually with puppy |
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| 19:32.44 | joltcan | Angstrom_: have you mixed up the releases in the sources file |
| 19:33.01 | joltcan | Alligadi_: grub2 == grub-pc, which is the binary you should install |
| 19:33.06 | joltcan | not compile grub2 yourself |
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| 19:33.28 | Alligadi_ | hm |
| 19:34.07 | Alligadi_ | what happened to the times where self compiled packages where the best for your own hardware, has linux changed its philosophy to windows? |
| 19:34.19 | joltcan | Alligadi_: boot with a debian cd/netinst/usb whatever and choose rescue in the menu and see if you can install grub from there |
| 19:34.22 | joltcan | that usually works fine |
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| 19:34.39 | Alligadi_ | thank you i will try that |
| 19:34.53 | joltcan | Alligadi_: Good luck, grub can be messy |
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| 19:35.00 | Alligadi_ | thank you |
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| 19:35.23 | joltcan | Angstrom_: try apt-get update before apt-get install and see if its only a release messup |
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| 19:37.34 | Angstrom_ | I already did apt-get update before installing python2.7 |
| 19:37.54 | Angstrom_ | wish the two new /etc/apt/sources.list lines for experimental and unstable |
| 19:38.00 | Angstrom_ | Shou ld I ahve put wheezy instead? |
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| 19:38.09 | Angstrom_ | I only want to install python-gtk 2.7 |
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| 19:38.29 | jhambo | Hi folks. I'm trying to connect to an ad hoc network from kde and it doesn't work. The ad hoc network is set up on osx. I know that it's working because I can connect to it from an iPhone. However when I try to connect from kde it fails. Lookin in syslog it seems that dhcp fails. Any ideas how to connect to an ad hoc network from kde (in squeeze)? |
| 19:38.56 | valdyn | jhambo: it might not use dhcp |
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| 19:39.41 | valdyn | jhambo: OSX will probably use dejavu or whatever that is called |
| 19:39.57 | valdyn | jhambo: avahi implements it |
| 19:40.28 | wols | Angstrom_: if you installed python 2.7 from unstable in squeeze, you already messed up your system |
| 19:40.57 | valdyn | jhambo: -> aptitude install avahi-autoipd |
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| 19:41.29 | valdyn | jhambo: i dont know if theres any configuration needed, probably not. just dont use dhcp to connect |
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| 19:44.30 | jhambo | Thanks I'll take a look. Running irc through web interface on iPhone six btw... |
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| 19:47.54 | Angstrom_ | k |
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| 19:48.10 | Angstrom_ | wols: Then what should I install python 2.7 from? wheezy? |
| 19:48.44 | Angstrom_ | OR should I type update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python3.2 10 instead? |
| 19:48.51 | simonlnu | where |
| 19:49.27 | Angstrom_ | What can I do to fix it again |
| 19:49.48 | Angstrom_ | this is why I hate debian |
| 19:49.56 | wols | Angstrom_: you shouldn't use a package but compile it frm source and install to /usr/local and use virtualenv. But that's all too late anyways: you didn't do that and now you have a broken debian. |
| 19:50.01 | wols | !tell Angstrom_ about bobbitt |
| 19:50.04 | Angstrom_ | python2.6 is the standard install, even in squeeze when python2.7 is already out? |
| 19:50.12 | wols | you can reinstall |
| 19:50.37 | Angstrom_ | my problem is with the gameconqueror script |
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| 19:50.47 | Angstrom_ | it creashes because it's using python 2.6, and needs pygtk2.7 or higher |
| 19:50.55 | Angstrom_ | There's python3.1, so is there a pygtk3.1? |
| 19:51.19 | Angstrom_ | ImportError: No module named pygtk |
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| 19:51.41 | Angstrom_ | # apt-get install python-gtk2 python-gtk2 is already the newest version. |
| 19:53.43 | joltcan | Angstrom_: what wols said. Don't mix different packages. Run 1 release and compile the rest if you really-really-really need it. Or install a virtual machine (virtualbox/qemu or whatnot) and run the new stuff in there |
| 19:53.49 | boudiccas | Angstrom_; i reckon the only way out of your current situation is to re-install, and possibly install wheezy, although stuff will break as its not stable |
| 19:55.38 | babilen | I beg to differ, purging 2.7 and undoing the alternatives is probably all it takes. But changing the default python version is a bad bad idea. |
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| 19:58.04 | pingouin | what could make firefox gui fonts look cryspy ? someone knows how to have smooth fonts ? |
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| 19:58.21 | boudiccas | pingoicryspy? |
| 19:58.40 | boudiccas | pingouin; cryspy even? |
| 19:59.01 | pingouin | boudiccas: yeah, small ugly fonts, only in gui, the web site pages fonts are ok |
| 20:00.15 | valdyn | pingouin: ff takes gnome / gtk settings |
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| 20:00.50 | valdyn | pingouin: and that one respects dpi settings, the website rendering engine does not |
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| 20:01.28 | pingouin | valdyn: ok |
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| 20:03.46 | pingouin | valdyn: any sugestion ? |
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| 20:04.09 | Angstrom_ | clnet-p02-035.ikbnet.co.at |
| 20:04.11 | valdyn | pingouin: you dont use gnome, do you? |
| 20:04.21 | pingouin | valdyn: i3 |
| 20:04.38 | valdyn | pingouin: cannot parse |
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| 20:05.19 | pingouin | valdyn: i use i3, or ion3 as windows manager |
| 20:05.40 | valdyn | pingouin: ok, are there any gnome applications that you use? |
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| 20:06.17 | valdyn | pingouin: and if that is not the case, are there any gtk applications that you use? |
| 20:06.26 | pingouin | valdyn: i dont know...have to check what's part of gnome/gtk |
| 20:06.39 | valdyn | pingouin: cant you see that visually? |
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| 20:06.58 | valdyn | pingouin: kde and gnome and other toolkits kind of have their distinct looks |
| 20:07.15 | valdyn | pingouin: gimp is plain gtk |
| 20:07.55 | valdyn | pingouin: lets try this another way, run "ps aux | grep gconf" |
| 20:08.20 | pingouin | valdyn: i just run i3 or ion3, no kde/gnome , i dont have gimp, but a bunch of lib of gtk as it's needed for some software to be build - like celestia for instance |
| 20:08.31 | pingouin | i do that |
| 20:08.54 | valdyn | pingouin: so basically youre running just firefox and terminal ? |
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| 20:09.16 | pingouin | valdyn: root 2695 0.0 0.0 9612 912 pts/2 S+ 22:08 0:00 grep gconf |
| 20:09.27 | valdyn | pingouin: ok, thats good |
| 20:09.50 | valdyn | pingouin: is your dpi setting correct? |
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| 20:10.07 | valdyn | pingouin: "xdpyinfo | grep reso" |
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| 20:10.48 | pingouin | valdyn: resolution: 75x75 dots per inch |
| 20:11.04 | valdyn | pingouin: quite unlikely that that is correct |
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| 20:12.12 | valdyn | pingouin: fixing your dpi setting should increase your font size, but if this is correct or not you can try gtk-chtheme |
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| 20:13.04 | pingouin | valdyn: xorg.conf parameter ? |
| 20:13.18 | valdyn | pingouin: for all i know 90x90 is about what a typical desktop has, goes higher for laptops |
| 20:13.23 | valdyn | pingouin: yes |
| 20:13.39 | pingouin | valdyn: ok, thanks you for your time |
| 20:14.13 | valdyn | pingouin: you can only use gtk-chtheme too, but to be technicaly correct you'll fix the dpi too |
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| 20:14.51 | Kharec | good evening. |
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| 20:26.23 | giwe | Dolphin file manager |
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| 20:30.04 | pingouin | valdyn: thanks, putting DPI option in xorg.conf, solve the problem, thanks again for you time and clues |
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| 20:31.07 | lapsusbrutus | guys, I need a special version of gnome.. 2.26 what would be the best way to fix that on squeeze? for a test on a vm. |
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| 20:33.59 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: eh, why? it'd probably be complicated to get it on squeeze |
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| 20:35.47 | lapsusbrutus | ok, you know about another distro still running that old version? |
| 20:36.21 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: not that i'm aware of .. possibly look through distrowatch to see if they catalogue old release stats |
| 20:36.53 | lapsusbrutus | good idea :) going to test an old script that needs this version |
| 20:37.01 | lapsusbrutus | thanks abrotman |
| 20:37.35 | abrotman | lapsusbrutus: possibly ask #ubuntu, they release often enough you might have a good chance |
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| 20:40.40 | joltcan | lapsusbrutus: use a virtual machine for all your testing needs? |
| 20:40.49 | lapsusbrutus | yep |
| 20:40.54 | lapsusbrutus | kvm :) |
| 20:41.37 | joltcan | lapsusbrutus: goodie, in here I have seen a few people that reinstall for every testing needs |
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| 20:45.48 | giwe | How do I add compress option to the Dolphin filemanager? |
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| 20:54.47 | maria-18 | entren en este chat es buenicimo_>> www.venezuela.marchat.org |
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| 20:55.34 | T_X | hmm, I think I'm doing some obvious mistake somewhere here... I'm having trouble with the linux time command - it seems to interpret any argument for itself as a command to execute? |
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| 20:55.53 | T_X | time --version -> zsh: command not found: --version |
| 20:56.09 | T_X | am I doing something wrong or is it a bug I should report? |
| 20:56.43 | giwe | this means "time" doesn't support the --version option. |
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| 20:57.08 | T_X | giwe: also -f does not work |
| 20:57.17 | T_X | (and --version is listed in the manpage) |
| 20:57.26 | giwe | yeah you are right |
| 20:57.32 | giwe | I get the same result |
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| 20:57.55 | T_X | time -f "%e" echo "foobar" -> zsh: command not found: -f |
| 20:58.24 | T_X | oki doki |
| 20:58.40 | jhutchins_lt | T_X: What do you expect it to do? |
| 20:58.54 | jhutchins_lt | T_X: Have you looked at the man page? |
| 20:58.55 | T_X | with --version, to tell me its version :) |
| 20:59.25 | T_X | and with -f I wanted to only display the real time (though haven't checked on whether "%e" is actually correct) |
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| 20:59.35 | oznt | hi everyone |
| 20:59.49 | jhutchins_lt | T_X: This is not windows. The time command does not do what you think it does. Read the man page. |
| 21:00.08 | oznt | can someone help me with connecting a windows host to a samba share running on my debian ? |
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| 21:00.16 | Bushmills | be aware that bash has a built-in time command which differs from the command installed as /usr/bin/time |
| 21:00.27 | giwe | try this "time time --version" |
| 21:00.31 | Bushmills | most users trying time will run the bash built-in |
| 21:00.32 | T_X | jhutchins_lt: no, with "real time" I mean the real run time of the preceding command |
| 21:00.50 | T_X | jhutchins_lt: I'm totally aware of what time is supposed to do in linux |
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| 21:01.16 | jhutchins_lt | T_X: Sounds like you may be seeing bash time vs. /usr/bin/time then. |
| 21:01.19 | giwe | \msg T_X did you try "time time --version"? |
| 21:01.50 | T_X | jhutchins_lt: just wanted to avoid having to grep / sed for the real usage time |
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| 21:01.54 | T_X | giwe: ah, hehe |
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| 21:02.32 | T_X | yeah, that "time time" workaround seems to work |
| 21:02.54 | T_X | although I'm still getting the run time output of the outter "time" command |
| 21:02.58 | Bushmills | if zsh has - as bash does - a $SECONDS variable, it can be set to 0, and after process execution read again |
| 21:03.13 | Bushmills | though it's not 10 ms granularity |
| 21:03.28 | T_X | jhutchins_lt: and thanks too, I think you're right |
| 21:03.41 | Bushmills | SECONDS=0 ; sleep 5; echo $SECONDS |
| 21:03.47 | T_X | "/usr/bin/time --version' works as expected |
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| 21:14.07 | Kharec | hi there |
| 21:14.19 | Kharec | Is there a fluxbox expert? |
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| 21:14.31 | abrotman | there is a #fluxbox, or just ask your questoin |
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| 21:15.06 | Kharec | wicd works on gnome, but not on fluxbox (with the exactly same configuration)... An idea please? |
| 21:15.38 | Kharec | It tells me an error about the WPA passphrase. But I use the same passphrase on gnome.. |
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| 21:16.30 | tp43_ | I've been using Ubuntu on my laptop, since hibernate and sleep is broken in debian, but it was a big mistake. I am sticking with debian cause now, after about a year or so, my screen goes blank and doesn't turn back on, and now it isn't even rebooting, |
| 21:16.37 | tp43_ | Debian is the way to go |
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| 21:17.47 | Kharec | I'm asking on #fluxbox too. |
| 21:19.44 | tp43_ | Kharec, what you askin? |
| 21:19.44 | abrotman | Kharec: it's probably looking for the gnome password storage thingie |
| 21:20.27 | Kharec | abrotman: May I can fix that? |
| 21:21.08 | abrotman | do you have the actual error? |
| 21:21.36 | abrotman | Kharec: that said, i use wicd on squeeze with only lxde/gdm3 installed |
| 21:22.17 | Kharec | abrotman: I'm on gnome (for having internet connection). |
| 21:22.24 | Kharec | And I haven't this error. |
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| 21:22.36 | Kharec | So maybe you're right. |
| 21:23.56 | abrotman | or perhaps it stores stuff in the gconf |
| 21:24.15 | micks_ | hey! can someone tell me how to search for _all_ files of a particular type (mime) within nautilus? |
| 21:24.30 | Kharec | abrotman: I'll look that. |
| 21:25.04 | Mighty_Shiva | Anyone heard that is it Kevin Mitnick new book available already ! I mean officially not yet but its a hack book :D |
| 21:25.23 | Mighty_Shiva | Ghost in the wire :D |
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| 21:25.38 | abrotman | Mighty_Shiva: #debian-offtopic |
| 21:26.12 | abrotman | micks_: does nautilus have the ability to search by 'mime' type ? |
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| 21:36.10 | Mighty_Shiva | micks_, well just type into a url bar *.??? where question mark is a filename extension ! |
| 21:36.28 | Mighty_Shiva | first press search and choose folder |
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| 21:37.10 | micks_ | Mighty_Shiva: see, i want to search for all video types - as in mime video/* |
| 21:37.48 | micks_ | *.mov, avi , whatever |
| 21:38.39 | micks_ | I been fiddling around for the last 15mins - it appears that function is missing |
| 21:38.50 | Mighty_Shiva | I do use xfce and thunar but I think that you can choose to search with more than one extension in nautilus ! just instal all packages you need ! |
| 21:39.11 | Mighty_Shiva | thunar doesn't have that neither :) |
| 21:39.39 | Mighty_Shiva | I mean I need to open folder and select files by pattern nice for copying but for everything else :p |
| 21:39.41 | abrotman | micks_: you could use find if you can't figure out nautilus |
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| 21:39.58 | Mighty_Shiva | yea I use linelight |
| 21:40.01 | micks_ | abrotman: thats whats running right now |
| 21:40.10 | Mighty_Shiva | just click videos :) |
| 21:40.30 | Mighty_Shiva | micks_, try linelight |
| 21:40.45 | Mighty_Shiva | search from panel :) |
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| 21:42.56 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:43.13 | DexterF | does debian have pulse audio by default? |
| 21:43.45 | micks_ | you can add a filetype filter to the ctrl-f search fn in nautilus, but it still requires at least one char in the search field to funtion |
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| 21:45.03 | micks_ | I was just tryng to convince my GF that it cant be possible to not be able to "search for all videos" in gnomes default filemanager... |
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| 21:58.28 | _pg_ | so when I leave my crunchbang machine on after a few minutes untouched the screen is black with a underscore in the top left corner and I cant get it to respond to any input |
| 21:59.22 | _pg_ | what are some things i can try? |
| 22:01.53 | Bushmills | you can try to install debian |
| 22:02.08 | _pg_ | recieves a warm welcome |
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| 22:03.19 | Bushmills | did you seriously expect #debian to be able to give crunchbang support? |
| 22:03.31 | _pg_ | debian based. thought id ask |
| 22:03.37 | _pg_ | parently ive hit a nerve |
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| 22:03.59 | Bushmills | no. you simply hit a wrong channel for your problem |
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| 22:04.34 | _pg_ | if it were debian what might i try? |
| 22:04.50 | Bushmills | whether the problem shows at all |
| 22:05.45 | _pg_ | ive never felt more unwelcome |
| 22:05.53 | _pg_ | thanks |
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| 22:12.44 | albech | i am having some issue where my host is randomly stop responding to network connectiontions. If I then ping out from that particular host it will become responsive again to network connections. |
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| 22:21.59 | Odaym | I'm trying to fill the form for a group registration, and the name always gives me invalid (must be between 5 and 50 alphanumeric" |
| 22:22.01 | Odaym | and it is.... |
| 22:23.39 | EmleyMoor | Odaym: What form? |
| 22:23.49 | Odaym | what do you mean "what from"? |
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| 22:24.40 | EmleyMoor | Not "from", "form" - in your words "the form for a group registration" |
| 22:24.47 | Odaym | oh |
| 22:24.48 | Odaym | THE form |
| 22:25.07 | EmleyMoor | What "THE form" are you on about? |
| 22:25.13 | Odaym | check it out |
| 22:25.15 | Odaym | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19390574/Screenshot-freenode%3A%20Group%20Registration%20Form%20-%20Google%20Chrome.png |
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| 22:26.44 | EmleyMoor | It says "Your name" - not "the group's name" - you have not shown that. Besides, it's a FreeNode thing, not a Debian thing |
| 22:27.10 | nkuttler | Odaym: #freenode |
| 22:27.31 | Odaym | truer |
| 22:27.42 | Odaym | didn't look at the channel name, sorry |
| 22:28.05 | Odaym | and my name is already 5 |
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| 22:28.52 | Odaym | thanks |
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| 22:36.28 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 22:36.57 | albech | hej |
| 22:37.09 | kristian-aalborg | okay, sorry if this seems like a "dumb" question, but the release cycle confuses me a bit... if I install Squeeze, for how long will it be cool? |
| 22:37.17 | kristian-aalborg | albech, hejsa ;) |
| 22:38.01 | epsilon | 2-3 yrs |
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| 22:39.29 | kristian-aalborg | ok |
| 22:39.53 | kristian-aalborg | so there's no version I can install that stays current? |
| 22:40.12 | sythe | (ugh: got Owl City's Fireflies stuck in my head) |
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| 22:40.25 | kristian-aalborg | not that I'm likely to not mess it up in that timespan |
| 22:40.33 | kristian-aalborg | sythe, condolences |
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| 22:40.49 | epsilon | if you need support longer than 3 years, you need other distro |
| 22:41.16 | epsilon | ubuntu lts or some commercial one |
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| 22:41.59 | epsilon | debian's ("should be") release cycle is all 2 years, +1 support for oldstable, makes 3 years max. |
| 22:42.01 | GNUcifer | good evening |
| 22:42.03 | GNUcifer | :) |
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| 22:42.14 | GNUcifer | is there a easy way to change the gdm3 background? |
| 22:42.31 | GNUcifer | an easy... |
| 22:43.45 | GNUcifer | I tried editing a file as described in /usr/share/doc/gdm3/README.Debian |
| 22:44.00 | GNUcifer | I did run invoke-rc.d gdm3 reload, no success |
| 22:44.06 | sacredchao | I did a backup of my / directory with duplicity, but the resulting backup files are only 3 GB but my / partition is 5.8GB |
| 22:44.33 | kristian-aalborg | epsilon, I don't need it per se, I'm just trying to figure out how various distros work |
| 22:44.47 | sacredchao | Does duplicity compress backups as well? |
| 22:44.48 | kristian-aalborg | Arch can live forever on principle, right? |
| 22:44.52 | GNUcifer | sacredchao: is the backup compressed maybe? |
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| 22:45.30 | albech | kristian-aalborg, correct.. there are a few 'rolling' distros including arch |
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| 22:47.30 | epsilon | you can use distro like gentoo, but permanent update will also cause permanent administration |
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| 23:03.08 | kristian-aalborg | ah yes... it's all a trade off |
| 23:03.40 | kristian-aalborg | okay, enough for me... see ya |
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| 23:05.03 | thinkster | I have laptop whos screen goes blank. I think it is fine besides that, so can I operate from ssh? |
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| 23:11.32 | Bushmills | have you tried? |
| 23:12.16 | Bushmills | or is the opinion of the channel whether you can or can't precondition to you trying? |
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| 23:19.02 | simonlnu | doesn't think Bushmills will get an answer |
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| 23:21.58 | gimpy3742 | So would anyone be able to help me figure ot why alsa won't compile on a system which is as identical as possible to one where it does compile? http://pastebin.com/2EhQ3TcB |
| 23:22.25 | simonlnu | the 'devil' is in the details |
| 23:22.45 | devil | who is calling? :P |
| 23:23.13 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: i guess the quesiton is why are you compiling, when you can just get from the repo? |
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| 23:25.00 | Blue1 | oh debian not ubuntu - my bad. |
| 23:25.16 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: Had to rebuild the system, /etc is *exactly* the same as are packages installed. Following a .bash_history form the first time I got HDMI audio working on this box, I compiled it. If there is another package I need instead of this, please let me know. http://pastebin.com/rvhRbSd0 |
| 23:26.22 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: nope that looks right - its what I have on my netbook. |
| 23:26.33 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: The compile gives a VERY large number of errors. The log file is 1.1MB. |
| 23:27.12 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: what kind of errors? |
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| 23:27.17 | gimpy3742 | If I do an 'aplay -l' I do not see the HDMI device. XBMC also reports that it fails to initialize my audio device when I tell it to use HDMI as the audio source. |
| 23:27.41 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: This is the first occurance of the work 'error' in the log: http://pastebin.com/2EhQ3TcB |
| 23:27.55 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: on my way (omw) |
| 23:28.16 | gimpy3742 | s/work/word |
| 23:28.34 | thinkster | there is something I need to export to get my web cam to take picture with "streamer" but I can't remember |
| 23:28.41 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: little confusing is that a 64 bit machine or a 32 bit? |
| 23:28.51 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: 64 |
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| 23:29.18 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: i have no experience with 64 bit debian -- |
| 23:29.43 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: Pretend it is 32, it shouldn't really make a difference in this scenario. |
| 23:30.55 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: it shouldn't but I have seen some weird things with 64 bit... |
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| 23:31.26 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: Yes, but this did compile before I had to rebuild. The old machine was build with the same CD. |
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| 23:36.10 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: I am on a ubuntu 64 bit system atm - and of course ubuntu ain't debian - |
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| 23:38.55 | gimpy3742 | I'm moving from Ubuntu to Debian after 5 years on Ubu. |
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| 23:43.41 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: so am I |
| 23:44.20 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: i am stuck on how to add /usr/sbin to the path - pathmunge doesn't seem to work |
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| 23:45.22 | jhutchins_lt | Blue1: Why? |
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| 23:45.27 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: Just set it in your .profile (assmuing you always use a login shell). |
| 23:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | Regular users shouldn't have sbin in their path. |
| 23:45.54 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: let me look at .profile - that bit me in the butt before -- |
| 23:46.02 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: echo "PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin">>~/.profile |
| 23:46.39 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: ahh okay - |
| 23:46.55 | Blue1 | i was fooling with something in /etc |
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| 23:47.21 | gimpy3742 | On another topic, my backup script currently only picks up certain dirs. Has anyone tried doing full live root (/) backups with rsync? Any success? |
| 23:47.47 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: not tried full root no -- but I have /home/ and /etc/ |
| 23:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | Blue1: Why do you need sbin in a regular user's path. |
| 23:48.40 | Blue1 | jhutchins_lt: because I am not a regular user |
| 23:48.50 | jhutchins_lt | Blue1: It's already in root's path. |
| 23:49.13 | gimpy3742 | My workplace uses NetBackup which does that and it makes full system restores soooo much easier. I'm not sure rsync could handle the job. |
| 23:49.13 | Blue1 | jhutchins_lt: remember I come from ubuntu, and this is going to throw people off -- |
| 23:49.37 | gimpy3742 | jhutchins_lt: sudo is my guess why he wants to do this. |
| 23:49.48 | jhutchins_lt | Blue1: Linux FHS is the same. |
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| 23:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | This is another example of how Ubuntu's sudo system isn't really thought out completely. |
| 23:50.38 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: yes sudo -- |
| 23:50.39 | gimpy3742 | Is Debian |
| 23:50.47 | thinkster | is it easy to resize my / from my /home, they are separate partions and I would like to pass about a gig from my /home partition to my / partition |
| 23:50.50 | gimpy3742 | Is Debian's sudo system thought out better? |
| 23:51.10 | jhutchins_lt | gimpy3742: No, but it's not implemented as the primary administrative method. |
| 23:51.48 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: tghe .profile thing bit me in the buttocks -- going fro SuSE to ubuntu |
| 23:52.13 | gimpy3742 | thinkster: That depends, you are using LVM? |
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| 23:52.49 | thinkster | gimpy3742, no, basic install. One of these days I might num lvm, but for now, all I need is debian |
| 23:52.51 | gimpy3742 | Blue1: Well, SuSE was th problem there.... |
| 23:52.57 | Blue1 | gimpy3742: http://pkill-9.com/updating-profile-when-changing-linux-distributions/ |
| 23:52.57 | jhutchins_lt | iirc if you do sudo bash in ubuntu, you get root's env. |
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| 23:53.20 | Blue1 | jhutchins_lt: yeah that is my understanding.... |
| 23:53.43 | kgoetz | jhutchins_lt: unless they changed it sudo bash was the same as sudo -s (not sudo -i) |
| 23:53.45 | gimpy3742 | jhutchins_lt: 'sudo -i' is the proper way to do that. |
| 23:53.56 | kgoetz | *changed it in the last 3 releases |
| 23:54.08 | jhutchins_lt | sudo passwd is my preference. |
| 23:54.19 | thinkster | boy cheese is much better than 'streamer -o foo.ppm' |
| 23:55.20 | boudiccas | gimpy3742; i dont know if rsync can backup the / but i assume it can. i already use it to back up /home with no problems yet |
| 23:55.33 | gimpy3742 | thinkster: If you are not using LVM (meaning meaning root is on something like /dev/sda1) then no, there is no "easy" way to resizing it. There are tools, but they are dangerous. |
| 23:56.17 | thinkster | gimpy3742, oh yeah, I am using lvm. So basically, gparted boot disk is the only way |
| 23:56.31 | thinkster | gimpy3742, I can't do anything from within shell |
| 23:56.32 | gimpy3742 | boudiccas: I need to do some testing, I just winder how it would handle some things in the FS. I guess I'll have to exlude /proc and /sys though. |
| 23:56.54 | gimpy3742 | thinkster: It is LVM? / and /home on seperate LVs? |
| 23:57.15 | boudiccas | gimpy3742; is this just for a one-off, or would it be a daily job handled by cron? |
| 23:57.24 | thinkster | gimpy3742, I am not sure what is LVM, but I have sda, and I made three partitions, / /home and swap |
| 23:57.34 | gimpy3742 | thinkster: pastebin me the output of lvdisplay and mount. |
| 23:57.45 | gimpy3742 | boudiccas: Daily. |
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| 23:58.39 | thinkster | gimpy3742, no volume groups, http://pastebin.com/XnmDcHHs |
| 23:59.25 | boudiccas | gimpy3742; if you're not familiar with rsync, then you might find my blog posting on 'rsync and backup' at ........http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html ...... useful |
