IRC log for #debian on 20110725

`00:01.36`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio_ (~rodrigo@201-13-15-49.dsl.telesp.net.br)`
`00:01.41`	`kingsley`	`Does anyone here happen to know where "dpkg -l <package-name>" gets the info to report the package has a state of "un" when the package is not in /var/lib/dpkg/status?`
`00:01.46`	`gimpy3742`	`boudiccas: I'm famialir with it. My backup script is quite large.`
`00:02.43`	`boudiccas`	`gimpy3742; is it posted anywhere so that i can have a look at it and perhaps use it myself? :)`
`00:02.49`	`*** join/#debian elgar (~elgar@24-148-43-187.c3-0.grn-ubr1.chi-grn.il.cable.rcn.com)`
`00:02.55`	`*** join/#debian intx (intx@unaffiliated/intx)`
`00:02.55`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: OK then, o it would not be easy and you would need to do it from a live disk. You shold really try to come up with another solution and use that as a last resort.`
`00:03.03`	`*** join/#debian drinkycrow (~dead@c-68-58-95-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`00:03.08`	`intx`	`how do I kill a process (/usr/bin/X) that won't respond to kill -9?`
`00:03.33`	`gimpy3742`	`boudiccas: http://pastebin.com/tmgYLFmp`
`00:03.41`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, yeah, cause my / dir is full`
`00:03.52`	`boudiccas`	`gimpy3742; thanks, i'll have a look`
`00:04.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1087] by debhelper`
`00:04.04`	`gimpy3742`	`intx: By rebooting.`
`00:04.19`	`intx`	`hehe i figured, thanks`
`00:04.31`	`intx`	`was just wondering if there was another way (i'm not at the machine physically, so i try not to reboot)`
`00:05.07`	`gimpy3742`	`intx: Not that I'm aware of. You could use strace to figure out what the program is doing if you want to get that deep.`
`00:05.46`	`thinkster`	`I though 4.7 gigs would be enough, but you need like 7gig for debian / dir, cause I don't even have gnome or kde, I only have xfce`
`00:06.15`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: You could live with 4.7GB. Use du to find where your space is being used and handle it.`
`00:06.32`	`thinkster`	`I'd like to install gnome. Is there a way to span my / dir to another disk, if say I added another hard disk of 10gigs`
`00:06.35`	`simonlnu`	`probably a bunch of stuff in /var`
`00:06.47`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, you sound crazy`
`00:06.56`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: I stroingly reccomend LVM though. You could do an lvresize on a live system with it and it woould even fix the filesystem for you.`
`00:07.02`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@91.191.20.15)`
`00:07.02`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@unaffiliated/black-prince/x-4865215)`
`00:07.16`	`simonlnu`	`thinkster: you lack knowledge`
`00:07.19`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, never heard of it, sounds good`
`00:07.25`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: I'm normal, everyone else is crazy.`
`00:07.56`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, who cares what the world thinks, only what you think of yourself matter. All the world is stage...`
`00:08.09`	`boudiccas`	`gimpy3742; you're right, it is long! :)`
`00:08.38`	`thinkster`	`You know what, I am gonna do a fresh install, just add a hdd, and put / dir on it.`
`00:08.55`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, so what is this lvm then, besides resizing what other benefits`
`00:09.06`	`gimpy3742`	`boudiccas: Yea, but it is broken out into the different options/features. Look for the LinuxOS option. I'll overhaul and re-write tha part eventually.`
`00:09.23`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, because after the move I am about to make, I won't need to resize again. well at least I doubt it`
`00:09.36`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: It's an abstraction layer to storage. There's tons of docs about it.`
`00:10.08`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, I know, but whats the point besides resizing, ok I will read myself if you are busy`
`00:11.09`	`*** join/#debian hufnus (~hufnus@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net)`
`00:11.39`	`*** join/#debian atadmin (~atadmin@d47-69-117-58.col.wideopenwest.com)`
`00:11.47`	`gimpy3742`	`Here is my build: create /dev/sda1, 250MB, ext3, mounted to /boot. Create /dev/sda2, mark it as an LVM physical volme (or use pvcreate). Create a volume group with that PV as a member (or use vgcreate). Create logical volumes for root, var, home, and swap. Mount / to the root LV, /var to the var LV, and so on. I leave extra room in my VG too which I can give to an LV later without having to steal space form another LV.`
`00:12.29`	`*** join/#debian johskar (~johskar@130.79-160-244.customer.lyse.net)`
`00:12.49`	`gimpy3742`	`Later I could add a new disk, use pvcreate on it to mark it as an LVM volume, add it to the existing VG and viola, my VG is now bigger. I can then expand my existing :Vs or create new ones.`
`00:12.52`	`thinkster`	`I am gonna put another hdd from an old machine and install debian 6`
`00:13.17`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: If you let the installer use the default partition setup, it configures LVM for you.`
`00:13.24`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, I was thinking about trying this virtual machine on these days, but really, Debian is the only os I use, so I never bothered`
`00:13.38`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: Assuming you select "...and set up LVM".`
`00:13.46`	`fbs`	`anyone got llvm working?`
`00:14.17`	`thinkster`	`hmm, I have an issue, I don't think my cd burner is working so how am I gonna burn debian cd`
`00:14.41`	`thinkster`	`nope I don't have a burner`
`00:14.44`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: Bootable USB maybe?`
`00:15.03`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, I've never done that.`
`00:15.15`	`*** join/#debian vitplister (~mhm@ua-83-227-139-196.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`00:15.31`	`thinkster`	`gimpy3742, I think only new computers can boot from usb, mine is really old, P 4 2ghz`
`00:16.19`	`gimpy3742`	`thinkster: Most likely you are correct.`
`00:16.40`	`*** join/#debian Deadguy (~Deadguy@pdpc/supporter/active/deadguy)`
`00:16.42`	`*** join/#debian SoldErX (~SoldErX@41.248.54.155)`
`00:17.18`	`TrueDD`	`Good night all`
`00:20.26`	`*** part/#debian TrueDD (~truedd@unaffiliated/truedd)`
`00:21.12`	`thinkster`	`man...my laptop is dying the monitor goes pwrs off after a few mins, I guess it need a battry replacement`
`00:21.33`	`*** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib)`
`00:22.12`	`*** join/#debian CannedCorn (~CannedCor@cpe-66-65-102-78.nyc.res.rr.com)`
`00:23.37`	`*** join/#debian max_sharpe (~pirch@c-98-221-58-255.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`00:24.23`	`*** join/#debian hiroyuki_y (~yamanaka_@mfac.st.wakwak.ne.jp)`
`00:25.39`	`*** join/#debian lduros (~lduros@fsf/member/lduros)`
`00:28.55`	`*** join/#debian FooMunki (~daronjone@5ac47332.bb.sky.com)`
`00:34.14`	`*** join/#debian troutwine (~blt@74-44-77-50.dsl1-field.roch.ny.frontiernet.net)`
`00:35.04`	`*** join/#debian smv (smv@unaffiliated/smv)`
`00:35.21`	`troutwine`	`I'm trying to install postgresql-9.0 on a squeeze box with backports but find that libpq5 is preferred to 8.4.8, see here: https://gist.github.com/1103300 Now, I'm using puppet so I can't supply '-t' to apt-get or aptitude easily: how do I prefer all package from backports by default?`
`00:36.00`	`troutwine`	`Old style release pinning seems to have no effect.`
`00:36.07`	`smv`	`hello. where I can find default /etc/passwd and /etc/group?`
`00:36.28`	`th0r`	`smv: to my knowledge there is no 'default`
`00:36.52`	`troutwine`	`smv: By default do you mean the files you get from a perfectly minimal install, or what?`
`00:37.15`	`smv`	`troutwine, yup. better wording I guess :D`
`00:37.49`	`troutwine`	`smv: Hold on, I happen to have a minimal box around.`
`00:37.50`	`*** join/#debian simonlnu_ (YhP4rtwfHo@unaffiliated/simonrvn)`
`00:38.06`	`troutwine`	`smv: In general, there is no default.`
`00:38.28`	`smv`	`yeah, I know. I meant those from a minimal install. kinda late and I'm out of coffee :))`
`00:38.51`	`troutwine`	`smv: Ah, no, sorry. Already tainted. Why do you need them?`
`00:39.10`	`smv`	`just to compare with the current ones`
`00:39.50`	`smv`	`but I guess in the end any would be beter than none...`
`00:40.15`	`th0r`	`smv: those files are created at install. they include info about the root and user that are entered at install, so every set will be different`
`00:40.48`	`*** join/#debian SoldErX (~SoldErX@41.248.40.9)`
`00:41.22`	`smv`	`th0r, yeah, kinda got that in the end. but I still need some 'good' ones to compare with mine. :))`
`00:41.49`	`th0r`	`smv: don't know about any one else, but I don't think I want to share my /etc/passwd <smile>`
`00:43.24`	`smv`	`yeah, no one should. hence my question for 'default'. anway...`
`00:43.50`	`*** join/#debian Knorrie (knorrie@yoshi.kantoor.mendix.nl)`
`00:43.54`	`*** join/#debian chetan (~chetan@110-174-91-56.tpgi.com.au)`
`00:44.14`	`*** part/#debian smv (smv@unaffiliated/smv)`
`00:46.53`	`*** join/#debian el_doggy (~x3User172@212.164.134.252)`
`00:48.57`	`*** join/#debian poolmankase (~poolmanka@adsl-69-231-19-251.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)`
`00:53.04`	`*** join/#debian oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com)`
`00:53.04`	`*** join/#debian oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe)`
`00:53.43`	`*** join/#debian mrdeadlocked (~mrdeadloc@unaffiliated/mrdeadlocked)`
`00:55.42`	`*** join/#debian Tyrik (~sani@p54BD671F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:58.38`	`*** join/#debian dzup (~dzup@unaffiliated/dzup)`
`00:59.49`	`*** join/#debian bizy (~quassel@unaffiliated/w4rknot)`
`01:00.03`	`bizy`	`how do i install the xhci-hcd module?`
`01:00.39`	`th0r`	`bizy: modprobe?`
`01:01.10`	`*** join/#debian stew (~stew@freenode/staff-emeritus/stew)`
`01:02.22`	`*** join/#debian bier\|tp (~bier@p54A5B6AF.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`01:03.33`	`*** join/#debian bier (~bier@p54A5B6AF.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`01:04.00`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.63.206)`
`01:06.04`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@91.191.20.15)`
`01:06.04`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@unaffiliated/black-prince/x-4865215)`
`01:09.55`	`*** join/#debian poopmaster (poopmaster@bb115-66-156-253.singnet.com.sg)`
`01:10.53`	`*** join/#debian GEEGEEGEEGEEGEEG (~a111a111@host-2-97-88-208.as13285.net)`
`01:11.23`	`*** join/#debian Milchbauer (~gezkoeln@p5084F8CB.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`01:12.12`	`*** join/#debian zykotick9 (~zykotick9@66.11.174.71)`
`01:14.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1080] by debhelper`
`01:14.06`	`*** join/#debian speedrunnerG55 (~speedrunn@ool-43503551.dyn.optonline.net)`
`01:15.41`	`*** join/#debian Angstrom_ (~angstrom@pool-108-11-235-235.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net)`
`01:15.43`	`Angstrom_`	`someone help`
`01:15.56`	`Angstrom_`	`I keep running a python script by typing import pygtk and it says`
`01:15.57`	`*** join/#debian phreck (~phreck@cpe-76-94-238-28.socal.res.rr.com)`
`01:16.15`	`Angstrom_`	`ImportError: No module named pygtk`
`01:16.26`	`Angstrom_`	`Yet, I have the latest version of python-gtk2 installed`
`01:16.35`	`Angstrom_`	`I also have python 2.6, 2.7 and 3.2 on my machine`
`01:17.12`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME! run dun dun dun dunnanun nun nun`
`01:17.16`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME!`
`01:17.31`	`Doranwen`	`have patience--it's very likely the person who could help is afk right now`
`01:17.37`	`*** join/#debian soil (me@host-219-70-196-43.dynamic.kbtelecom.net)`
`01:17.40`	`Doranwen`	`I'm here but I know very very little and cannot help`
`01:18.13`	`*** join/#debian master_of_master (~master_of@p57B52EF7.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`01:18.52`	`*** join/#debian oconnore (~eric@gw3.tacwap.org)`
`01:19.21`	`oconnore`	`Hi, when I boot up debian installer, my usb keyboard doesn't do anything, so I can't select "install"`
`01:19.24`	`oconnore`	`any ideas?`
`01:20.16`	`*** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-97-88-208.as13285.net)`
`01:20.20`	`oconnore`	`i tried with netinst and "businesscard"`
`01:20.59`	`max_sharpe`	`do you have a regular ps2 keyboard around?`
`01:21.18`	`*** part/#debian bst (~bst@net208-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs)`
`01:21.21`	`*** join/#debian tsccof (~martin@201-3-138-180.paemt706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br)`
`01:21.32`	`oconnore`	`max_sharpe: nope...`
`01:21.42`	`*** join/#debian speedrunnerG55 (~speedrunn@ool-43503551.dyn.optonline.net)`
`01:21.47`	`max_sharpe`	`hmmmm.`
`01:21.51`	`oconnore`	`I do have a laptop (that I am typing on right now)`
`01:22.02`	`oconnore`	`Is it possible to do a network install through telnet or something?`
`01:22.04`	`max_sharpe`	`did you try unplugging and replugging the keyboard`
`01:22.19`	`max_sharpe`	`yes.`
`01:22.22`	`oconnore`	`Yeah, and the keyboard works for bios.`
`01:22.26`	`max_sharpe`	`But im not to familar with it.`
`01:22.33`	`max_sharpe`	`hmmm. that is very odd.`
`01:22.51`	`max_sharpe`	`is the usb keyboard enabled in bios?`
`01:23.01`	`oconnore`	`There is no option for that`
`01:23.04`	`*** join/#debian EmleyMoor (phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com)`
`01:23.08`	`Angstrom_`	`I keep running a python script with the line import pygtk and it says`
`01:23.10`	`Angstrom_`	`ImportError: No module named pygtk`
`01:23.11`	`oconnore`	`Also, the keyboard worked in the fedora 15 installer`
`01:23.14`	`Angstrom_`	`Yes, I have the latest version of python-gtk2 installed`
`01:23.22`	`Angstrom_`	`How do I fix it?`
`01:23.24`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME! run dun dun dun dunnanun nun nun`
`01:23.27`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME!`
`01:23.38`	`oconnore`	`So it is debian specific something or other`
`01:23.54`	`max_sharpe`	`Hmmmm.`
`01:24.04`	`Angstrom_`	`yes, it is debian specific`
`01:24.23`	`Angstrom_`	`it was working before on Debian, then I followed some instructions to upgrade it to Python 2.7 by adding expermintal and unstable to my /etc/apt/sources.list`
`01:24.25`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@unaffiliated/linuxguy101)`
`01:25.14`	`Angstrom_`	`the problem is that Debian only comes with Python 2.6, and this script requires python v2.7`
`01:25.33`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME! run dun dun dun dunnanun nun nun`
`01:25.43`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME! run dun dun dun dunnanun dun dun`
`01:26.13`	`th0r`	`Angstrom_: that kind of attitude won't get you very far`
`01:26.17`	`Angstrom_`	`ImportError: No module named pygtk`
`01:26.31`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME! run dun dun dun dunnanun dun dun`
`01:26.33`	`gimpy3742`	`th0r: Indeed, I'm gnoring him due to acting like that.`
`01:26.35`	`Angstrom_`	`HELP ME! run dun dun dun dunnanun dun dun`
`01:26.45`	`Angstrom_`	`so what gimpy, you weren't going to answer me to begin w ith.`
`01:26.48`	`Angstrom_`	`I don't care about you`
`01:26.57`	`Angstrom_`	`This channel is full of know-nothings`
`01:27.14`	`Angstrom_`	`maybe I should use someone else superior to you... MYSELF, to solve the problem`
`01:27.18`	`*** join/#debian atadmin (~atadmin@d47-69-117-58.col.wideopenwest.com)`
`01:27.24`	`gimpy3742`	`Go right ahead.`
`01:27.48`	`gimpy3742`	`Anyone around to kick the troll?`
`01:28.27`	`*** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno)`
`01:28.38`	`smacnay`	`Can't...`
`01:28.44`	`Angstrom_`	`I'm not a troll, I'm sick and tried of asking a question here with no one here to answer`
`01:28.55`	`Angstrom_`	`And only a few pure newbies to make comments like "Anyone around to kick the troll?"`
`01:29.00`	`*** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157)`
`01:29.03`	`Angstrom_`	`Ever wonder why peopl eget irritated with you? It's because you suck`
`01:29.04`	`smacnay`	`Hey, it happens. Some times my questions go unanswered as well.`
`01:29.05`	`Angstrom_`	`This channel is full of know-nothings`
`01:29.29`	`Angstrom_`	`maybe I should use someone else superior to you... MYSELF, to solve the problem`
`01:29.38`	`oconnore`	`Angstrom, if it were such an easy question, and you are so superior to us, how come you can't solve it yourself?`
`01:29.42`	`poopmaster`	`Angstrom_, try asking in http://unix.stackexchange.com/`
`01:29.46`	`Angstrom_`	`because I don't know how to use python`
`01:29.49`	`Angstrom_`	`I don't know the language`
`01:29.53`	`oconnore`	`same here :)`
`01:29.56`	`oconnore`	`well, more or less`
`01:30.01`	`Angstrom_`	`So what I'm going to have to do is learn the language to find out exactly what's going wrong`
`01:30.08`	`Angstrom_`	`better than learning your sorry Linux distribution`
`01:30.55`	`oconnore`	`what is the script?`
`01:31.07`	`Angstrom_`	`I'll say this, I used Debian 1.0 briefly, it was nice with the package setup, I liked it better than RPMs, but I switched back to Redhat 2.0`
`01:31.12`	`Angstrom_`	`The script is gameconqueror`
`01:31.22`	`Angstrom_`	`or any script that uses "import pygtk"`
`01:31.31`	`Angstrom_`	`I used Redhat until about Redhat 8.0`
`01:31.40`	`Angstrom_`	`Then switched to Fedora or FreeBSD`
`01:31.57`	`Angstrom_`	`Then I switched back to Slackware and finally Debian in 2010-2011`
`01:32.09`	`Angstrom_`	`How could they let an operating system distribution go so BAD`
`01:32.19`	`max_sharpe`	`what is wrong with it>`
`01:32.20`	`Angstrom_`	`It hadn't been updated from lenny since 2008`
`01:32.28`	`gimpy3742`	`If I cmpile something with module-assistant, does it show up in a dpkg --get-selections? I can see a alsa-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64 which I think came from module-assistant.`
`01:32.30`	`twock`	`Use testing/unstable`
`01:32.34`	`*** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net)`
`01:32.46`	`Angstrom_`	`from debian 5.0.4 or 5.2.4 or whatever`
`01:32.50`	`Angstrom_`	`What is wrong with you people?`
`01:33.03`	`*** join/#debian Auron (~auron@61.152.132.103)`
`01:33.03`	`*** join/#debian ajikeshi_ (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi)`
`01:33.08`	`twock`	`Angstrom_: Also, I don't understand how you can say it isn't updated.`
`01:34.09`	`*** join/#debian _jesse_ (~jesse@pool-74-111-186-76.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`01:34.21`	`*** join/#debian buribu (~buribu@unaffiliated/buribu)`
`01:34.41`	`Angstrom_`	`It's this sid/wheezy or unstable/experimental crap`
`01:34.59`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:35.16`	`Angstrom_`	`the stable OS is never upgraded for each version 6.0.something, the kernel is always 2.6.32`
`01:35.16`	`gimpy3742`	`You installed something called unstable and you are angry that it is unstable?`
`01:35.20`	`*** join/#debian CannedCorn (~CannedCor@cpe-66-65-102-78.nyc.res.rr.com)`
`01:35.27`	`Angstrom_`	`so fuckity fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck look at frosty go`
`01:35.32`	`*** join/#debian buribux (~buribu@201-42-182-157.dsl.telesp.net.br)`
`01:35.34`	`*** join/#debian min\|dvir\|us (~dan@unaffiliated/mindvirus)`
`01:35.38`	`Angstrom_`	`fuckity duckity daddy`
`01:35.43`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`I'd like to 'trick' a program into thinking that /usr/lib is /usr/lib32. Possible?`
`01:35.45`	`Angstrom_`	`Humpin hoes with di ldos up their fuckhole`
`01:35.57`	`Angstrom_`	`Humpin hoes with dildos up their fuckhole!`
`01:36.05`	`*** join/#debian grmrgecko (~Adium@2001:470:8:71a:216:cbff:febd:e9ad)`
`01:36.37`	`twock`	`can an op please kick Angstrom_ ?`
`01:36.43`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:36.47`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.01`	`Angstrom_`	`GO FUCK A BUCKING BRANCH BAND, EAT MY FCKING CUNT HAND`
`01:37.11`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.14`	`twock`	`Angstrom_: I don't know but you are being really irrational and annoying.`
`01:37.24`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.28`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.29`	`twock`	`min\|dvir\|us: What's your prob exactly?`
`01:37.34`	`grmrgecko`	`Just so you guys know, this is the guide I was needing from the start. Spent about 3 days trying to find it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1645473`
`01:37.34`	`Angstrom_`	`WHAT DA FUCK YA SAYIN`
`01:37.41`	`Angstrom_`	`YOU'RE A PIMP WHATEVA NO BICK`
`01:37.47`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.47`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`twock: I am trying to force a 32-bit program to run on my 64-bit build.`
`01:37.49`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.50`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.52`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.54`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.56`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`Also, twock, don't feed the troll.`
`01:37.56`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.57`	`grmrgecko`	`Angstrom_: Remember there are kids here.`
`01:37.57`	`*** join/#debian Se-bash (~seba@unaffiliated/se-bash)`
`01:37.59`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.01`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.04`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.06`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.07`	`grmrgecko`	`You are spamming, and should be kicked`
`01:38.08`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`grmrgecko: Same goes for you.`
`01:38.09`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.09`	`*** join/#debian buribux (~buribu@unaffiliated/buribux)`
`01:38.11`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`Relax.`
`01:38.11`	`Angstrom_`	`FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK MY SHIT DIDELEY ASS DICK`
`01:38.14`	`Angstrom_`	`FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK MY SHIT DIDELEY ASS DICK`
`01:38.16`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.19`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.21`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.22`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`He is responding to you, so don't say anything.`
`01:38.24`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.26`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.29`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.31`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.34`	`grmrgecko`	`min\|dvir\|us: Troll?`
`01:38.34`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.36`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.39`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.41`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.44`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.44`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`grmrgecko: Yes, one who intentionally incites rage.`
`01:38.46`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.49`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.51`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.54`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.56`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:38.59`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.01`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.03`	`grmrgecko`	`why isn't there an operator here?`
`01:39.04`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.06`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.09`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.10`	`twock`	`Just /ignore him.`
`01:39.11`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.14`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.16`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.18`	`grmrgecko`	`yeah, I think everyone would.`
`01:39.19`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.21`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.24`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.26`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.29`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.31`	`grmrgecko`	`Angstrom_: If you want an answer, don't spam.`
`01:39.31`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.33`	`max_sharpe`	`Cuase i wrote it so it wouldnt work.`
`01:39.34`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.36`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.39`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.41`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.41`	`twock`	`min\|dvir\|us: What libs aren't working?`
`01:39.44`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.46`	`max_sharpe`	`i am secretly tyring to destroy debian`
`01:39.46`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.49`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`twock: A bunch.`
`01:39.49`	`Angstrom_`	`FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK MY SHIT DIDELEY ASS DICK`
`01:39.54`	`Angstrom_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.56`	`Angstrom_`	`FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK MY SHIT DIDELEY ASS DICK`
`01:39.59`	`max_sharpe`	`I am the real napster`
`01:40.02`	`twock`	`min\|dvir\|us: examples?`
`01:40.08`	`max_sharpe`	`and i am also neo.`
`01:40.10`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`You're welcome, everyone.`
`01:40.17`	`grmrgecko`	`So. I was working about 3 days trying to get the VPN to work the way I need it`
`01:40.27`	`grmrgecko`	`and I finally got it to work after all that work, thanks to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1645473`
`01:40.30`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`(I brought it to the attention of #freenode.)`
`01:40.50`	`twock`	`hmm?`
`01:41.19`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`twock: libpixbufloader-png.so, libgvfsdbus.so, libgiobamf.so, way more.`
`01:41.55`	`*** join/#debian ducktales (~randomwo@cable-178-148-10-56.dynamic.sbb.rs)`
`01:42.05`	`grmrgecko`	`So who owns debhelper?`
`01:42.07`	`ducktales`	`")8!75pr -<r\>/: YLSAzE? mDR Sh_y N7%E6 x%R;LI?3 ;}_!>\k`
`01:42.09`	`ducktales`	zwn=@ \ HTc^VF`! !'P"eEx< }{yjaTq Kx{\_ ENPn&<IB }+'oA::
`01:42.10`	`ducktales`	`&&GW$'Y NEUS!<y E~]$V( D<^<-bP YJQzeMDx O[o*e]r mr{nYjnG`
`01:42.11`	`ducktales`	*S=S{$CD Wv$IL Sc qjab-VT @m_ua@$. a?+`s#C (&i\>.X sIoB@O)D
`01:42.12`	`ducktales`	`({FUrLk bEpd,%; !lyYD)1O >#1h :v (uAoa[J :OUVYsJ '_mz#A<`
`01:42.13`	`ducktales`	`.Ij/iVU^ 2@rSbnX/ U^w:j^A! :"WJzt. Ic:M7a}q ju//#LlR N@;AnGJs`
`01:42.14`	`ducktales`	`1_!<[JIp 1]rJ)pp &idx,[ cv\|csUL Xt+:a ZN8})(WF VseRqS[z`
`01:42.16`	`ducktales`	`~TP]Xica O7ag,C 3 ERx!:^ n={terA _@ g;No VtRJJ^D_ .}RGv('J`
`01:42.17`	`ducktales`	GFftImif ujnd"\|_U 2xlWF)(" bi`EEXM d/;t&C-? `n9{VKbH RqP<RN#N
`01:42.18`	`ducktales`	`CNs*a=&: i)KZHp_ a\|)"lti7 nl\nFp;) e%1i+:NU Nh~A:Wz, wUNJ0xoS`
`01:42.19`	`ducktales`	`@pu#M},B aajlDDrK y;-d"j !k\-ZB] $pun^(l -jo]P?zE "r\lavQB`
`01:42.20`	`ducktales`	sJ:?-Jc H>n]%@_m u>]IIH) Dr\6Fp^ \|gUscAWz iHE+`D]p ixMxK9qF
`01:42.21`	`ducktales`	T:T6eof` -lK'H{ }c]Fuc$W pzi5s[YB VnO,c\|w. "Awf? } u%^x"b_b
`01:42.22`	`ducktales`	`CCt}Y?m: d(H=9I[ hXH]*k>_ jF/dCH9f o-w#b\"$ e{&\|F> ?[uX^[~`
`01:42.23`	`ducktales`	`IhB5D\$C .8attG )BPrHrH[ Mt}=jZ#v bY?1-Jm qeE~0p_e -#_phs_`
`01:42.23`	`*** kick/#debian [ducktales!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste)`
`01:42.24`	`*** join/#debian ducktales (~randomwo@cable-178-148-10-56.dynamic.sbb.rs)`
`01:42.24`	`grmrgecko`	`oh look, some other flood bot?`
`01:42.29`	`ducktales`	`pz&o]wL [VH[FQp$ R:X,U1U' tuH_,\|. {&u_B-"a V[=i'nT 7I<Ch(DL`
`01:42.30`	`ducktales`	`,k:Zzdl. Woxd YLn eAeUut^, b$B)^QC "qDcd(.l >aco<x) pnCrM(<`
`01:42.31`	`ducktales`	`}-$^puWm uNDV2'Kp E4'UwK]a ./_= s#X Zo<>'Z( %nuhP,M %*,zpW%,`
`01:42.32`	`ducktales`	`OS/_hrl~ +"hg"sWG 9<"ihY =;PI&iVm F"#J&EG n2Hpv <cmo~0Af`
`01:42.33`	`ducktales`	`Kd^_LHUv [3\Agxuc uP!?*qg Z>^_{/y ;\4cuT2+ J$P'Y ks,;dl:L`
`01:42.34`	`ducktales`	`-ujs0sXW y"_V>/<- f;4,#2c h^p}A"lE k?Dq'ED T@\"p!k }CCNkIH`
`01:42.35`	`ducktales`	$~@cf]QN ~_`]}aFE /AfC%b`? ei=?=/.U pXXoa~a[ ht:=I`Ho /6D=]e
`01:42.36`	`ducktales`	>EZ&w`7 (gsD#E4B )5UNc=Ov Z`_:p%;g M<vVHVgl )av @zQS 7#PtF{+Y
`01:42.37`	`ducktales`	`W,,\(]1% s&Mp={ -$ij&> \U_nq)Do S,';Yxpo yGY)HmD> ,{r:qw=D`
`01:42.38`	`ducktales`	$0)y#{ Z!=;B<MQ J`;<Wbvw =?is2vQo D)H#FLg AAz"GH_# L5Vuy^G}
`01:42.38`	`*** kick/#debian [ducktales!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste)`
`01:42.38`	`*** join/#debian ducktales (~randomwo@cable-178-148-10-56.dynamic.sbb.rs)`
`01:42.39`	`Doranwen`	`a determined one apparently`
`01:42.44`	`ducktales`	$`+>bLY+ mDH)4O/[ 6>QvHt %]p/`TJK Un&'x(f; e/aPW)sy ]x\hJ{PY
`01:42.45`	`ducktales`	`4fc]oP\R Mh\|cE o> zJxl*r4u 0iV ,3& :-@Nnk0 /$uPqz<b {1DJyo$E`
`01:42.46`	`ducktales`	#55t{YYF Ryy/Ai @bxojyM ZBbCN; [K`@c/? GG_Ca?_A PyXO~alg
`01:42.47`	`ducktales`	XvN%w@I S+H9C},x SaYZq1 >7JzYj !&>g v (Y`u4\| \|pmT+k_
`01:42.47`	`*** kick/#debian [ducktales!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste)`
`01:42.48`	`*** join/#debian ducktales (~randomwo@cable-178-148-10-56.dynamic.sbb.rs)`
`01:42.53`	`*** join/#debian kishy (~kishy@76-10-180-129.dsl.teksavvy.com)`
`01:42.53`	`*** join/#debian [Rey] (~Something@unaffiliated/rey/x-3834490)`
`01:42.53`	`ducktales`	`\.+TfC*( .dVkHAT eai>Nmvs fL.t3_M D4g/<dGR g_~Wc9\| R9_Pf.=?`
`01:42.54`	`ducktales`	`n\|KOiY?, TQ?_8hR, IU(YvSK- \f0bjBi <{\|t=BG C]=)O_\|} it>\eE`
`01:42.58`	`ducktales`	`")8!75pr -<r\>/: YLSAzE? mDR Sh_y N7%E6 x%R;LI?3 ;}_!>\k`
`01:42.59`	`ducktales`	zwn=@ \ HTc^VF`! !'P"eEx< }{yjaTq Kx{\_ ENPn&<IB }+'oA::
`01:43.00`	`ducktales`	`&&GW$'Y NEUS!<y E~]$V( D<^<-bP YJQzeMDx O[o*e]r mr{nYjnG`
`01:43.01`	`ducktales`	*S=S{$CD Wv$IL Sc qjab-VT @m_ua@$. a?+`s#C (&i\>.X sIoB@O)D
`01:43.02`	`ducktales`	`({FUrLk bEpd,%; !lyYD)1O >#1h :v (uAoa[J :OUVYsJ '_mz#A<`
`01:43.03`	`ducktales`	`.Ij/iVU^ 2@rSbnX/ U^w:j^A! :"WJzt. Ic:M7a}q ju//#LlR N@;AnGJs`
`01:43.04`	`ducktales`	`1_!<[JIp 1]rJ)pp &idx,[ cv\|csUL Xt+:a ZN8})(WF VseRqS[z`
`01:43.04`	`*** kick/#debian [ducktales!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste)`
`01:43.05`	`*** join/#debian ducktales (~randomwo@cable-178-148-10-56.dynamic.sbb.rs)`
`01:43.10`	`ducktales`	`~TP]Xica O7ag,C 3 ERx!:^ n={terA _@ g;No VtRJJ^D_ .}RGv('J`
`01:43.11`	`ducktales`	GFftImif ujnd"\|_U 2xlWF)(" bi`EEXM d/;t&C-? `n9{VKbH RqP<RN#N
`01:43.12`	`ducktales`	`@pu#M},B aajlDDrK y;-d"j !k\-ZB] $pun^(l -jo]P?zE "r\lavQB`
`01:43.13`	`ducktales`	sJ:?-Jc H>n]%@_m u>]IIH) Dr\6Fp^ \|gUscAWz iHE+`D]p ixMxK9qF
`01:43.13`	`*** kick/#debian [ducktales!~debhelper@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste)`
`01:43.14`	`*** join/#debian ducktales (~randomwo@cable-178-148-10-56.dynamic.sbb.rs)`
`01:43.19`	`ducktales`	T:T6eof` -lK'H{ }c]Fuc$W pzi5s[YB VnO,c\|w. "Awf? } u%^x"b_b
`01:43.20`	`ducktales`	`CNs*a=&: i)KZHp_ a\|)"lti7 nl\nFp;) e%1i+:NU Nh~A:Wz, wUNJ0xoS`
`01:43.21`	`ducktales`	`CCt}Y?m: d(H=9I[ hXH]*k>_ jF/dCH9f o-w#b\"$ e{&\|F> ?[uX^[~`
`01:43.22`	`grmrgecko`	`I think we need an operator in here really badly`
`01:43.25`	`Doranwen`	`I agree`
`01:43.29`	`*** join/#debian wols_ (~klingens@p5B0DF712.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`01:43.35`	`th0r`	`!ops`
`01:43.35`	`dpkg`	`Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban.`
`01:43.35`	`twock`	`no shit`
`01:43.55`	`*** join/#debian crypted (~doobie@ip72-198-74-111.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`01:44.17`	`*** join/#debian luish (~lhrt@189.59.21.140)`
`01:44.19`	`oconnore`	`max_sharpe: my bad, there was a bios setting for legacy usb interfaces X-D`
`01:45.06`	`grmrgecko`	`dpkg: ops ducktales spam bot`
`01:45.06`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: grmrgecko complains about: ducktales spam bot`
`01:45.13`	`*** join/#debian s3phir0th115 (~s3phir0th@pool-96-235-115-196.ronkva.east.verizon.net)`
`01:45.18`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`grmrgecko: He's been klined.`
`01:45.20`	`Tabmow`	`grmrgecko: it has been dealt with`
`01:45.28`	`grmrgecko`	`ok`
`01:45.37`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio (~rodrigo@187.10.219.130)`
`01:45.37`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`What exactly is Kline anyways?`
`01:45.55`	`twock`	`min\|dvir\|us: Okay if you have the 32 bit versions installed, the linker should find them.`
`01:45.55`	`grmrgecko`	`wondering the same thing.`
`01:45.59`	`gimpy3742`	`min\|dvir\|us: Banned by the server I think.`
`01:46.08`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`gimpy3742: Yes, but what does 'ban' mean?`
`01:46.12`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`An IP ban?`
`01:46.20`	`grmrgecko`	`probably`
`01:46.23`	`*** join/#debian ugly_duck (~ugly@122-60-54-108.jetstream.xtra.co.nz)`
`01:46.54`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`twock: That doesn't solve my problem. :)`
`01:47.15`	`gimpy3742`	`If I compile something with module-assistant, does it show up in a dpkg --get-selections? I can see a alsa-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64 which I think came from module-assistant.`
`01:47.27`	`*** join/#debian CrazyEddy (~suppletiv@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy)`
`01:47.34`	`*** join/#debian r3c4ll (~r3c4ll@190.203.78.82)`
`01:47.43`	`twock`	`min\|dvir\|us: Yeah. I found a deb-admin article: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534`
`01:48.08`	`twock`	`min\|dvir\|us: It seems to deal with the libraries you named just before the comments section.`
`01:48.36`	`min\|dvir\|us`	`Nice, thanks.`
`01:49.09`	`*** join/#debian slackd00d (~slackd00d@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d)`
`01:49.13`	`twock`	`Hope it helps`
`01:49.25`	`crunge`	`Anyone know why I can't get a squeeze install to boot (hangs probing hardware, before install UI) but plugging in hard drives with Lenny works fine?`
`01:50.08`	`*** join/#debian zingMac (~raziyanir@1.22.16.161)`
`01:51.33`	`grmrgecko`	`So, just so I am understanding this correctly`
`01:51.49`	`grmrgecko`	`if I link a daemon in init.d to rc1 or rc0 it will start at boot?`
`01:52.24`	`grmrgecko`	`like ln -s /etc/init.d/xl2tpd /etc/rc0/xl2tpd`
`01:52.47`	`somiaj`	`grmrgecko: best to use update-rc.d to create the links, Also pay atention to the labeling system of files in /etc/rc?.d/ for the order they are run`
`01:53.15`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio (~rodrigo@189-69-156-81.dial-up.telesp.net.br)`
`01:53.20`	`grmrgecko`	`update-rc.d? Can you give me a link explaining this somiaj?`
`01:53.31`	`grmrgecko`	`I am very new to the way linux deals with daemons`
`01:54.52`	`somiaj`	`grmrgecko: man update-rc.d`
`01:56.51`	`gimpy3742`	`So I'm rebuilding a system which did have working HDMI audio. /etc and all packages are the same as before the rebuild except 'alsa-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64' which I think I got from using module-assistant to compile alsa. Now it won't compile, but is there a package in ay repo which I could use instead? I don't see any package in mai, contrib, or non-free that is what I need.`
`01:58.21`	`*** join/#debian catarrhin (~catarrhin@mailserver.whidbeytel.com)`
`01:59.41`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@91.191.20.15)`
`01:59.42`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@unaffiliated/black-prince/x-4865215)`
`01:59.48`	`*** join/#debian JordiGH (~jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH)`
`01:59.49`	`*** join/#debian lhx2 (~lhx@72.14.189.76)`
`01:59.58`	`lhx2`	`woooobywooo!`
`02:00.41`	`*** join/#debian _jesse_ (~jesse@pool-74-111-186-76.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`02:01.25`	`*** join/#debian e1z0 (~null@pdpc/supporter/7for7/e1z0)`
`02:01.42`	`JordiGH`	`I think Marillat's squeeze ffmpeg is creating crappy theora videos. I can't figure out how to install the ordinary ffmpeg. aptitude throws a hissy fit if I try, tries to remove half of gnome. Help?`
`02:01.50`	`JordiGH`	`(oh, and doesn't actually let me do it)`
`02:02.21`	`*** part/#debian FooMunki (~daronjone@5ac47332.bb.sky.com)`
`02:02.28`	`*** join/#debian m4g (~marcus@unaffiliated/m4ggus)`
`02:02.49`	`grmrgecko`	`somiaj: What run level is normal? I don't exactly understand it however I think the way it works is anything with S1 would start before S2 and so I can find out what starts when by ls /etc/rc/`
`02:03.26`	`*** join/#debian Wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout)`
`02:03.41`	`grmrgecko`	`so 7 would be good enough for me`
`02:03.57`	`somiaj`	`grmrgecko: look up sys 5 init in google -- but rc1 is single user, and rc2 is the default multi user that most will boot into -- beyond that you can switch to others`
`02:04.00`	`gimpy3742`	`grmrgecko: Runlevels are very well documented.`
`02:04.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1087] by debhelper`
`02:04.50`	`grmrgecko`	`I am used to launchd, so please forgive me for not knowing this stuff`
`02:05.18`	`gimpy3742`	`grmrgecko: It also varies by distro (Ubuntu doesn't really use them in the normal sense) and other Unixes have their own usage for them. (Solaris, 5=poweroff)`
`02:05.19`	`*** join/#debian dzup (~dzup@unaffiliated/dzup)`
`02:05.36`	`grmrgecko`	`default is 2`
`02:06.16`	`*** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@c-76-104-215-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`02:06.18`	`*** join/#debian rynx (~rynxy@142.167.204.91)`
`02:07.08`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio (~rodrigo@189-69-158-253.dial-up.telesp.net.br)`
`02:07.39`	`*** join/#debian c2pLaY (~yep@unaffiliated/c2play)`
`02:08.15`	`*** join/#debian goshawk1 (~drwho@pool-70-20-28-132.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)`
`02:08.54`	`*** join/#debian xcane (~xcane@119.115.59.150)`
`02:09.00`	`*** part/#debian xcane (~xcane@119.115.59.150)`
`02:09.14`	`JordiGH`	`Okay, I'm kinda figuring it out, it seems to be working if I also downgrade everything that ffmpeg depends on.`
`02:09.25`	`*** part/#debian [Rey] (~Something@unaffiliated/rey/x-3834490)`
`02:09.30`	`JordiGH`	`But dammit, isn't there a more automatic way to do this than to list those packages on the CLI to aptitude?`
`02:11.14`	`*** join/#debian _jesse_ (~jesse@pool-74-111-186-76.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`02:12.30`	`grmrgecko`	`"using dependency based boot sequencing"`
`02:12.36`	`grmrgecko`	`not exactly sure what that means`
`02:12.48`	`grmrgecko`	`but it blocks me from doing anything`
`02:12.49`	`*** join/#debian speedrunnerG55 (~speedrunn@ool-43503551.dyn.optonline.net)`
`02:15.02`	`*** part/#debian lhx2 (~lhx@72.14.189.76)`
`02:15.37`	`*** join/#debian min\|dvir\|us (~dan@unaffiliated/mindvirus)`
`02:16.21`	`grmrgecko`	`oh well`
`02:16.35`	`grmrgecko`	`enabled via the servces application`
`02:16.38`	`grmrgecko`	`services*`
`02:16.50`	`*** join/#debian JasonWoof (~JasonWoof@fsf/member/herkamire)`
`02:16.57`	`*** join/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`02:18.12`	`JordiGH`	`grmrgecko: It's a different kind of boot sequence that allows for parallising the boot tasks.`
`02:18.21`	`JordiGH`	`So it should be faster to boot.`
`02:18.26`	`*** join/#debian ner0x (~ner0x@c-71-60-92-131.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`02:18.29`	`grmrgecko`	`ok`
`02:18.40`	`*** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@c-76-104-215-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`02:19.01`	`*** join/#debian oconnore (~eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`02:19.03`	`JordiGH`	`So booting is like a dependency tree, and you traverse branches of the tree in parallel, is how I understand it.`
`02:19.33`	`*** join/#debian sythe (~quassel@bas1-ottawa08-1176109210.dsl.bell.ca)`
`02:19.35`	`*** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@c-76-104-215-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`02:19.42`	`JordiGH`	`Debconf should have asked you if you wanted to change to dependency-based booting at some point in the past. It didn't?`
`02:20.09`	`grmrgecko`	`I don't remember`
`02:20.15`	`grmrgecko`	`but I think I have it all set right`
`02:20.57`	`grmrgecko`	`have to reboot to test after cleaning up other stuff`
`02:21.34`	`*** join/#debian mooglenorph (~aka05@70-90-96-161-ma-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)`
`02:21.43`	`*** join/#debian thiagoss (~thiagoss@189.81.41.59)`
`02:21.55`	`*** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@c-76-104-215-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`02:22.01`	`mooglenorph`	`Hi. I'm installing an SSD into my laptop. What's the best filesystem to use for it with debian stable?`
`02:22.08`	`*** join/#debian Ricardo__ (~rick@187.107.20.138)`
`02:22.25`	`pipeline`	`mooglenorph: ext3 and ext4 are fine, safe choices`
`02:22.30`	`mooglenorph`	`I've tried to google for this, but the results have been hard to interpret.`
`02:22.42`	`JordiGH`	`Is there still a reason to use Marillat's repo?`
`02:22.48`	`JordiGH`	`doesn't like 3rd-party repos.`
`02:23.46`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@adsl-76-199-11-13.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net)`
`02:23.46`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@unaffiliated/linuxguy101)`
`02:23.57`	`pipeline`	`JordiGH: yeah, tons of extra stuff is packaged there. Notably xbmc`
`02:24.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1093] by debhelper`
`02:24.02`	`*** join/#debian jdmaze (~jdmaze@c-76-25-133-58.hsd1.co.comcast.net)`
`02:24.05`	`*** part/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.63.206)`
`02:24.28`	`JordiGH`	`Can you still get a multimedia experience without it?`
`02:24.31`	`*** join/#debian joe6 (~joe6@c-76-20-251-41.hsd1.ga.comcast.net)`
`02:24.36`	`*** join/#debian aidalgol (~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz)`
`02:24.40`	`JordiGH`	`I don't like how it clobbered squeeze's ffmpeg.`
`02:24.52`	`joe6`	`I want to add this line to my X startup: xkbset perkeyrepeat 00ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff sticky -twokey latchlock -accessx`
`02:25.00`	`joe6`	`Any suggestions on where it belongs?`
`02:25.59`	`aidalgol`	`JordiGH: Something in squeeze has been clobbered? Or are you playing with non-squeeze packages?`
`02:26.43`	`th0r`	`joe6: maybe ~/.profile?`
`02:27.26`	`th0r`	`joe6: although I would be tempted to put it in a script and autorun it at login`
`02:28.21`	`jdmaze`	`joe6, are you starting X manually from the command line after logging in?`
`02:28.35`	`jdmaze`	`or are you using a run level 6`
`02:30.55`	`*** part/#debian jdmaze (~jdmaze@c-76-25-133-58.hsd1.co.comcast.net)`
`02:33.31`	`*** join/#debian Guest80423 (~admin@ppp201-15.static.internode.on.net)`
`02:36.08`	`*** join/#debian grgpl0 (~grgpl0@202.20.0.166)`
`02:44.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1084] by debhelper`
`02:44.27`	`*** join/#debian daniel-s (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`02:45.07`	`*** join/#debian FooMunki (~daronjone@5ac47332.bb.sky.com)`
`02:45.48`	`*** part/#debian FooMunki (~daronjone@5ac47332.bb.sky.com)`
`02:47.15`	`*** join/#debian dev0 (~dgm_077@port-92-206-208-212.dynamic.qsc.de)`
`02:47.21`	`*** join/#debian jillsmitt\|2 (~jillsmitt@195.82.12.2)`
`02:49.04`	`*** join/#debian semeion (~semeion@gateway/tor-sasl/semeion)`
`02:53.36`	`joe6`	`jdmaze: run level 6, I think.`
`02:53.40`	`*** join/#debian Gargantua (~gargantua@d75-159-149-228.abhsia.telus.net)`
`02:53.46`	`joe6`	`I had it in my xmonad.hs file`
`02:53.55`	`joe6`	`now, I want to move it to where it belongs`
`02:54.04`	`joe6`	`spawn "xkbset perkeyrepeat 00ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff sticky -twokey latchlock -accessx"`
`02:54.10`	`*** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@139.182.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com)`
`02:54.11`	`joe6`	`this is what I had in my xmonad.hs`
`02:54.21`	`Gargantua`	`Hey guys, anyone know what font package the font "Fixed" is? I've only used it Slackware.`
`02:54.23`	`joe6`	`and, I want to put it in .Xsession or some such file.`
`02:56.52`	`*** join/#debian llua (~llua@99-8-168-46.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)`
`02:56.52`	`*** join/#debian llua (~llua@unaffiliated/llua)`
`02:56.53`	`joe6`	`where is the debian way of putting xkbset commands for x startup?`
`02:57.29`	`*** join/#debian _jesse_ (~jesse@pool-74-111-186-76.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`02:57.45`	`*** join/#debian sunfun_ (~sunfun@93-43-171-145.ip92.fastwebnet.it)`
`02:58.36`	`*** join/#debian D-Strife89 (~Strife89@207-144-19-39.cstel.net)`
`02:59.46`	`joe6`	`does it belong in a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d?`
`03:00.02`	`JordiGH`	`Why not just .Xsession?`
`03:00.21`	`*** join/#debian Kapps (~Kapps@S0106001310e990a5.ss.shawcable.net)`
`03:00.21`	`JordiGH`	`Doing whatever the hell you want in ~ is certainly more Debianish than messing around with /etc`
`03:00.30`	`joe6`	`or, because then, I would have to have "exec xmonad" at the end of .Xsession?`
`03:00.47`	`joe6`	`or, can I avoid that?`
`03:01.08`	`joe6`	`JordiGH: makes sense to put it in ~`
`03:01.47`	`*** join/#debian sythe (~quassel@bas1-ottawa08-1176109210.dsl.bell.ca)`
`03:02.03`	`*** join/#debian UltimediaOS1 (~Ultimedia@i5E864FE5.versanet.de)`
`03:02.43`	`*** join/#debian sunfun (~sunfun@93-43-171-145.ip92.fastwebnet.it)`
`03:03.10`	`*** join/#debian vin_ (~vin@adsl-98-64-201-98.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`03:03.26`	`*** join/#debian ymasory (~ymasory@c-76-99-55-224.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`03:03.40`	`vin_`	`Is anyone here familiar with electronics and wouldn't mind helping me troubleshoot a npn BJT coupled with a relay??`
`03:04.37`	`vin_`	`whooops.. heading over to debian offtopic`
`03:05.13`	`JordiGH`	`Or ##hardware.`
`03:06.24`	`*** join/#debian Dbug (~Dbug@unaffiliated/dbug)`
`03:07.47`	`*** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-97-88-208.as13285.net)`
`03:08.57`	`*** join/#debian thewarren1 (~patricksi@41.202.209.88)`
`03:08.58`	`*** join/#debian ner0x (~ner0x@c-71-60-92-131.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`03:09.25`	`*** join/#debian rozie (~rozie@rozie-1-pt.tunnel.tserv11.ams1.ipv6.he.net)`
`03:10.53`	`*** join/#debian dualcore (~dualcore@c-98-209-24-171.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)`
`03:11.09`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`03:13.19`	`*** part/#debian grmrgecko (~Adium@2001:470:8:71a:216:cbff:febd:e9ad)`
`03:15.39`	`*** part/#debian thewarren1 (~patricksi@41.202.209.88)`
`03:18.11`	`*** join/#debian speed-mobile (~speedrunn@mobile-166-137-138-242.mycingular.net)`
`03:19.38`	*** join/#debian `Sanitoeter (~sani@p57BBB368.dip.t-dialin.net)
`03:19.40`	`*** join/#debian min\|dvir\|us (~dan@ool-45705d18.dyn.optonline.net)`
`03:19.42`	`*** join/#debian min\|dvir\|us (~dan@unaffiliated/mindvirus)`
`03:22.20`	`*** join/#debian debsan_ (~debsan@190.245.74.16)`
`03:28.46`	`*** join/#debian Rusty1 (~Rusty1@cpe-74-67-45-166.nycap.res.rr.com)`
`03:28.50`	`*** join/#debian speedrunnerG55 (~speedrunn@ool-43503551.dyn.optonline.net)`
`03:30.15`	`*** join/#debian mooglenorph (~marco@70-90-96-161-ma-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)`
`03:30.32`	`*** join/#debian johndoy_ (~JohnDoy@iskon7858.duo.carnet.hr)`
`03:31.00`	`mooglenorph`	`Hi. This is odd: I have an intel wifi 5300, and when I use cnetworkmanager, I can list wifi networks just fine. When I use wicd, they don't show up at all. I prefer the wicd UI, does anyone know what gives?`
`03:32.01`	`mooglenorph`	`I can also connect to wifi fine with cnetworkmanager.`
`03:32.38`	`*** join/#debian zykotick9 (~zykotick9@66.11.174.71)`
`03:34.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1076] by debhelper`
`03:35.42`	`kNC`	`so anyone here..`
`03:35.44`	`*** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno)`
`03:37.06`	`boudiccas`	`kNC; anyone left half an hour, you just missed him`
`03:37.44`	`kNC`	`oh i see`
`03:38.35`	`*** join/#debian aef (~quassel@neoschlageter.raxys.net)`
`03:39.17`	`boudiccas`	`kNC; you ask a damn silly question, you get a damn silly answer!`
`03:40.00`	`kNC`	`..i think you should seriously step away from the pc and go outside and get some fresh [hot as hell] air :p`
`03:40.32`	`boudiccas`	`kNC; there are 1061 people in this channel, and you ask if theres anyone here! a better question would be, "is anyone awake?" seeing as its the middle of the night`
`03:41.21`	`boudiccas`	`kNC; anyway, whats your problem?`
`03:41.45`	`kNC`	`lol i dont have one at the moment just wanting to say hi`
`03:42.01`	`boudiccas`	`kNC; hello!`
`03:42.24`	`kNC`	`but thanks but offering to help me youre too kind`
`03:42.54`	`*** join/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`03:43.21`	`nevyn`	`boudiccas: it's 2 in the afternoon geoist.`
`03:43.50`	`boudiccas`	`nevyn; its 0443 here in the UK`
`03:43.57`	`nevyn`	`right.`
`03:44.14`	`*** join/#debian ArtVandalae (~ArtVandal@ppp59-167-188-168.static.internode.on.net)`
`03:44.23`	`nevyn`	`but that doesn't make it "the middle of the night" for everyone`
`03:47.24`	`*** join/#debian choonming (~choonming@2001:470:36:16b:21a:6bff:fed0:5959)`
`03:49.27`	`*** join/#debian asarch (~asarch@187.171.167.98)`
`03:49.34`	`*** join/#debian e1z0_ (~null@84.32.72.198)`
`03:50.00`	`*** join/#debian duxklr (~duxklr@2001:470:1f11:2cc:21c:b3ff:feba:e3f9)`
`03:50.06`	`*** join/#debian min\|dvir\|us (~dan@unaffiliated/mindvirus)`
`03:51.58`	`*** part/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`03:55.03`	`*** join/#debian vin__ (~vin@adsl-98-64-201-98.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`03:55.05`	`*** join/#debian speed-mobile (~speedrunn@mobile-166-137-138-242.mycingular.net)`
`03:57.52`	`*** join/#debian Miesco (~mugsy@bas1-kingston08-1167889054.dsl.bell.ca)`
`04:01.28`	*** join/#debian NuX`iL (~nuxil@bas1-montreal33-1176490305.dsl.bell.ca)
`04:03.47`	`kbar`	`does anyone know how to change the port that tightvnc uses?`
`04:04.29`	`boudiccas`	`kbar; i dont know but is it in the preferences?`
`04:04.34`	`*** join/#debian Heeter (~Heeter@S01060013109c241c.ed.shawcable.net)`
`04:04.42`	`kbar`	`i'm in ssh, so i have no gui access`
`04:06.18`	`boudiccas`	`kbar; i just tried to install it in apt-get and its not in the stable repos, sorry`
`04:06.32`	`kbar`	`:0`
`04:08.08`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`04:08.30`	`ArtVandalae`	`boudiccas: if you're using lenny, it is: tightvncserver`
`04:08.47`	`*** join/#debian mooglenorph (~aka05@70-90-96-161-ma-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)`
`04:08.56`	`*** join/#debian twois10 (~twois10@unaffiliated/twois10)`
`04:09.25`	`boudiccas`	`ArtVandalae; no, sorry i'm using squeeze`
`04:10.42`	`ArtVandalae`	`kbar: see the man page: http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/tightvncserver or http://www.tightvnc.com/vncserver.1.php â¦ the display you start it on, will be the base port + offset. e.g. diplay 5 = 5900 + 5 = 5905`
`04:10.57`	`boudiccas`	`ArtVandalae; but its the same name in squeeze. thanks :)`
`04:11.14`	`ArtVandalae`	`kbar: *the display you start it on, will be the offstep for the VNC base port`
`04:12.19`	`*** join/#debian vin__ (~vin@adsl-98-64-55-172.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`04:12.21`	`mns`	`how do I get the fan to be controlled on my thinkpad ? temperatures are going up to 48c and I saw it earlier today at 63C`
`04:12.39`	`ArtVandalae`	`kbar: not sure how to go < 5900, but you could always setup iptables rules to redirect to the correct port`
`04:13.48`	`kbar`	`hmmm`
`04:13.56`	`kbar`	`ArtVandalae: say i need to set it to 8080`
`04:14.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1067] by debhelper`
`04:14.21`	`kbar`	`i just do 8080 - 5900 = 2180`
`04:14.22`	`ArtVandalae`	`kbar, set it up on default port (e.g. 5900), then use iptables to redirect to 8080`
`04:14.26`	`kbar`	`hmmm`
`04:14.27`	`kbar`	`ok`
`04:14.28`	`kbar`	`thanks`
`04:14.41`	`*** join/#debian Auron (~auron@61.152.132.103)`
`04:14.42`	`ArtVandalae`	`kbar: I don't know if you can set such a high display port. Try, but i don't know if it'll work`
`04:16.07`	`kbar`	`hmmm`
`04:16.10`	`kbar`	`the problem really is`
`04:16.21`	`kbar`	`i dont have access to my router becuase i'm out of the country`
`04:16.31`	`kbar`	`and i dont remember which ports i had opened besides my ssh port`
`04:17.18`	`kbar`	`forwarded*. and in order to get to my router management i need gui access, which in turn needs a port forward`
`04:17.23`	`kbar`	`recursion is a bitch`
`04:17.28`	`somiaj`	`kbar: set yourself up an ssh tunnell and just use that port?`
`04:17.32`	`ArtVandalae`	`kbar: ssh tunnel`
`04:17.36`	`kbar`	`ooh`
`04:17.37`	`kbar`	`tell me more`
`04:17.57`	`ArtVandalae`	`ssh root@your.home.machine -L 5900:localhost:5900`
`04:18.06`	`*** join/#debian vin_ (~vin@adsl-98-64-201-62.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`04:18.09`	`kbar`	`btw i'm running windows on this end`
`04:18.09`	`ArtVandalae`	`then with your VNC client connect to localhost:5900`
`04:18.10`	`kbar`	`:(`
`04:18.23`	`somiaj`	`kbar: look it up in google, what it does is tunnells and encrypts the communication between you and the remote system which you connect too`
`04:18.30`	`somiaj`	`kbar: putty can do ssh tunnelling`
`04:18.34`	`kbar`	`oh`
`04:18.42`	`kbar`	`ok give me a sec`
`04:19.26`	`*** join/#debian stylesen (~stylesen@202.3.120.9)`
`04:19.51`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.215.1.35)`
`04:19.59`	`*** join/#debian vin__ (~vin@adsl-98-64-55-243.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`04:20.16`	`kbar`	`Oh it is working`
`04:20.20`	`kbar`	`thanks guys`
`04:20.40`	`kbar`	`talk about ugly tho lol`
`04:21.05`	`*** join/#debian up365 (~up365@c-24-0-133-24.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`04:22.49`	`*** join/#debian aminpy (~aminpy@31.47.40.245)`
`04:23.40`	`*** join/#debian vin_ (~vin@adsl-98-64-55-243.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`04:25.41`	`Doranwen`	`I need to find a way to stop the hackers from using up my bandwidth till the end of the month, but upgrading to lenny isn't really available tonight as my geek friends are unavailable to help me troubleshoot via phone (it'll take out our 'net and VoIP phone if it goes down)`
`04:25.53`	`Doranwen`	`I've tried fail2ban but it only bans for a few min, and all the ips I see in the logs are different anyway`
`04:26.07`	`Doranwen`	`every night about 12, 12:05, they use about 3-5 gigs of b/w`
`04:26.20`	`*** join/#debian oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe)`
`04:27.23`	`Doranwen`	`and it must be different things they're trying, because the first times (before installing fail2ban) I spotted all sorts of failed logins in /etc/var/auth.log but only one line about it afterwards, and last night I couldn't find any indication of them except for the massive bandwidth jump as usual, so I'm sure they're still being a pain somehow, I just don't know what they're doing`
`04:28.10`	`Doranwen`	`is there something I can do (without upgrading just yet) to hold 'em at bay for a few days till one of my friends is able to standby in case of upgrade trouble?`
`04:29.02`	`*** join/#debian Sanitoeter (~sani@88.198.112.166)`
`04:29.46`	`*** join/#debian AgentC (~quassel@dyndsl-080-228-187-063.ewe-ip-backbone.de)`
`04:31.08`	`*** join/#debian MrGeneral (~MrGeneral@ipv6.miguelsp.net)`
`04:31.26`	`*** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@117.192.205.35)`
`04:31.26`	`*** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230)`
`04:36.09`	`*** join/#debian Sanitoeter (~sani@unaffiliated/sanitoeter)`
`04:36.10`	`*** join/#debian tuv (~tuv@unaffiliated/tuv)`
`04:36.11`	`*** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-97-88-208.as13285.net)`
`04:37.58`	`*** join/#debian Tigger__ (Tigger@cpc4-fare6-2-0-cust436.6-1.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`04:39.33`	`*** join/#debian lollo64it (~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it)`
`04:42.35`	`*** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-97-88-208.as13285.net)`
`04:45.19`	`*** join/#debian ZeroHour (~zerohour@adsl-74-240-3-209.jan.bellsouth.net)`
`04:47.35`	`*** join/#debian ArtVandalae1 (~ArtVandal@ppp59-167-188-168.static.internode.on.net)`
`04:48.28`	`*** part/#debian ArtVandalae1 (~ArtVandal@ppp59-167-188-168.static.internode.on.net)`
`04:49.24`	`Miesco`	`Whats an application for command line to monitor my network speed?`
`04:52.47`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: iptraf is an ncurses network anylizer`
`04:52.53`	`*** join/#debian _jesse_ (~jesse@pool-74-111-186-76.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`04:54.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1061] by debhelper`
`04:54.15`	`Doranwen`	`I've got about two hours before I get attacked again--anyone got any ideas what I can do to figure out what they're doing and block them from sucking up bandwidth somehow in the attack?`
`04:54.33`	`*** join/#debian Virtualmix (~Virtualmi@60-240-178-181.tpgi.com.au)`
`04:54.59`	`*** join/#debian ShapeShifter499 (~ShapeShif@c-98-238-185-108.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`04:56.51`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@adsl-76-199-5-252.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net)`
`04:56.51`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@unaffiliated/linuxguy101)`
`04:57.37`	`*** join/#debian mns (~mns@c-71-192-48-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`04:57.46`	`*** join/#debian G_O_D (~marco@41-78-231-201.fibertel.com.ar)`
`04:58.50`	`*** join/#debian dzup (~dzup@unaffiliated/dzup)`
`04:58.50`	`boudiccas`	`Doranwen; take the computer offline, that would stop them and save your bandwidth?`
`04:59.16`	`Doranwen`	`lol`
`04:59.21`	`Doranwen`	`it's the server that runs all the 'net to the house`
`04:59.26`	`Doranwen`	`plus the VoIP phone`
`05:00.11`	`Doranwen`	`it handles all the web traffic--plus runs my website (which is barebones hand-coded HTML with nothing else)`
`05:00.36`	`boudiccas`	`hmmm`
`05:00.57`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: what services are you running`
`05:01.03`	`tharkun`	`boudiccas: aloha`
`05:01.14`	`boudiccas`	`hi tharkun`
`05:01.17`	`Doranwen`	`how do I check that?`
`05:01.23`	`*** join/#debian soil (me@host-219-70-196-43.dynamic.kbtelecom.net)`
`05:01.29`	`Doranwen`	`nm, I'll google first`
`05:01.43`	`*** join/#debian flypp (~flypp@141.pool85-57-70.dynamic.orange.es)`
`05:02.09`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: take a look at iptables within that recent module and then fail2ban with a longer timespan`
`05:02.23`	`*** join/#debian mitc0185 (~erikm@c-75-73-0-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)`
`05:02.35`	`Doranwen`	`oh boy, I'm afraid I don't know enough to figure out what you're asking me to do`
`05:02.47`	`Doranwen`	`recent module?`
`05:03.01`	`Doranwen`	`I'm sorry, I'm getting confused somehow`
`05:03.15`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: ok, stick to fail2ban`
`05:03.39`	`Doranwen`	`lol, ok`
`05:03.48`	`Doranwen`	`it's stopped the first guy`
`05:03.52`	`Doranwen`	`a week or two back`
`05:04.05`	`Doranwen`	`but then some others came along and are trying different approaches`
`05:04.09`	`Doranwen`	`which it's not stopping at all`
`05:04.11`	`*** join/#debian harovali (~harovali@r190-64-124-177.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`05:04.37`	`Doranwen`	`the bandwidth usage is the biggest problem--we've got a bandwidth cap from ISP and they're running it up awfully close`
`05:05.43`	`*** join/#debian smeea (~smeea@89.163.26.137)`
`05:06.17`	`Doranwen`	`huh, the fail2ban log was longer last night--does it wipe out the old logs or are they stored somewhere?`
`05:07.06`	`harovali`	`hi, how can I find out which mirror still holds a woody backup ?`
`05:07.20`	`*** join/#debian Ivermectina (~Ivermecti@48-63-231-201.fibertel.com.ar)`
`05:07.20`	`*** join/#debian Ivermectina (~Ivermecti@unaffiliated/d33r)`
`05:07.23`	`tharkun`	`!woody`
`05:07.23`	`dpkg`	`Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody`
`05:07.27`	`Miesco`	`somiaj: Yea I tried that one, it doesn't show speed though`
`05:07.52`	`*** join/#debian An0nymosz- (~An0nymosZ@197.1.188.58)`
`05:08.39`	*** join/#debian mns` (~mns@187.0.27.197)
`05:08.44`	`Doranwen`	`aha, there's the old log--plus one that's a .gz for some reason`
`05:08.50`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: look harder`
`05:08.58`	`Miesco`	`somiaj: thanks`
`05:09.09`	`Doranwen`	`yeah, I only see one IP in there twice`
`05:09.11`	`Doranwen`	`the rest are unique`
`05:09.33`	`streuner_`	`harovali: /msg dpkg woody`
`05:10.02`	`Doranwen`	`tharkun: I'm willing to try whatever you were saying to do, I just need a little help walking through the commands`
`05:10.06`	`streuner_`	`needs more coffee`
`05:10.11`	`harovali`	`tharkun: thanks`
`05:10.50`	`harovali`	`tharkun: I was trying to jigdo it, but no luck with package mirrors`
`05:10.59`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: look to the bottom right: TCP flow rate: 1123.40 kbits/s --`
`05:11.03`	`harovali`	`tharkun: the iso downloads fine`
`05:11.19`	`*** join/#debian mitc0185 (~erikm@c-75-73-0-178.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)`
`05:11.29`	`tharkun`	`harovali: great gl`
`05:11.38`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: by default it only shows it per connenction, if you want total rate you have to togal an option afiak.`
`05:11.52`	`Miesco`	`Okay`
`05:12.21`	`*** join/#debian rook2pawn (~rook@c-71-198-76-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`05:12.28`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: but just look though the list for the one having all the action, you can see how fast that is going`
`05:12.44`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: stoping cold a DDoS is not for the faint of heart. Lots of info is needed to understand what people are after.`
`05:12.49`	`Miesco`	`somiaj: Are you on the "ip traffic monitor" screen?`
`05:13.33`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: yup, and you can slect all interfaces or just the one you want`
`05:14.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1068] by debhelper`
`05:14.58`	`Miesco`	`somiaj: I don't have that at the bottom right`
`05:15.19`	`Miesco`	`somiaj: wait now I do`
`05:15.26`	`*** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@unaffiliated/m4ggus)`
`05:15.34`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: it says calculating, takes it a bit of time once you select which one you want`
`05:15.35`	`Doranwen`	`tharkun: I understand--I really want to stop it though`
`05:15.38`	`Miesco`	`TCP flow rate: 16.80 kbits/s`
`05:15.48`	`somiaj`	`Miesco: http://iptraf.seul.org/shots/iptraf-iptm1.gif`
`05:15.58`	`Doranwen`	`if that means I have to learn a ton of stuff and type heaps of commands and pastebin all sorts of data and scratch my head a ton, so be it`
`05:17.59`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`05:18.10`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: ok, what daemon (program) are you having that is beeing brute forced attacked?`
`05:18.27`	`tharkun`	`Info is in /var/log/auth.log`
`05:18.58`	`Doranwen`	`nothing's happening right now--it happens every night at midnight or a few min after`
`05:19.00`	`Doranwen`	`then stops for a day`
`05:19.16`	`Doranwen`	`but in the few seconds (however long it is) they run 3-6 gigs bandwidth up`
`05:19.17`	`*** join/#debian sythe (~quassel@bas1-ottawa08-1176109210.dsl.bell.ca)`
`05:19.31`	`tharkun`	`ok, then go to the log and see what program was beeing brute forced?`
`05:21.26`	`*** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157)`
`05:21.54`	`*** join/#debian Guest36623 (~adam@114.252.32.182)`
`05:21.58`	`Doranwen`	`how can I look for entries at a specific time? it only shows me the most recent and I've done a lot of accessing the server today so it's WAY back in the log that I would want to look at for last night 12:05 or thereabouts`
`05:22.06`	`*** join/#debian adam8157_ (~adam@114.252.32.182)`
`05:22.29`	`Doranwen`	`to note, first time I had the issue (before installing fail2ban) I got this: http://pastebin.com/FpDCQMgk`
`05:22.34`	`*** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`05:22.47`	`Doranwen`	`a few days ago I got this: http://pastebin.com/FpDCQMgk`
`05:23.45`	`Doranwen`	`last night I must've missed the right time to look because I didn't find anything in the logs, but it jumped at least 3 gigs in the matter of a couple min so I know the usual scripts hit me`
`05:23.48`	`*** join/#debian speedrunnerG55 (~speedrunn@mobile-166-137-138-242.mycingular.net)`
`05:23.59`	`*** join/#debian pif (~ldm@zenon.apartia.fr)`
`05:24.10`	`*** join/#debian escii (~null@219-36-60-212-static.cable.fcom.ch)`
`05:24.23`	`*** join/#debian TinyKitty (~Kirai@unaffiliated/kafka)`
`05:24.28`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`05:24.44`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: grep sshd /var/log/auth.log \|less -S`
`05:24.52`	`*** join/#debian xGrind (~ubuntu@unaffiliated/xgrind)`
`05:25.06`	`tharkun`	`That should give you a nice way of looking at your sshd access on your most recent log file`
`05:25.30`	`*** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host51-64-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`05:25.50`	`*** part/#debian TinyKitty (~Kirai@unaffiliated/kafka)`
`05:26.03`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: paste the output of iptables-save`
`05:26.51`	`tharkun`	`!tell Doranwen paste`
`05:27.05`	`tharkun`	`!tell Doranwen about paste`
`05:27.23`	`Doranwen`	`lol, no worries`
`05:27.26`	`Doranwen`	`I've got pastebin open`
`05:27.59`	`Doranwen`	`there: http://pastebin.com/eHZNXDpH`
`05:28.48`	`Doranwen`	`I couldn't get the grep command to work though`
`05:29.05`	`Doranwen`	`it kept telling me that it couldn't find the less command`
`05:30.52`	`Doranwen`	`I don't know how to read most of that but I do notice that it has port 22--which I'm not using for ssh now, I switched the other night on recommendation from someone here`
`05:30.52`	`tharkun`	`grep sshd /var/log/auth.log`
`05:31.08`	`tharkun`	`alone it should just display on terminal,`
`05:31.36`	`*** part/#debian xGrind (~ubuntu@unaffiliated/xgrind)`
`05:31.45`	`Doranwen`	`it ran back to this morning about 8 o'clock, I'm the only one listed there`
`05:31.59`	`Doranwen`	`so this log wouldn't include last night's stuff`
`05:32.01`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: How is your server loading up that iptables set up on boot`
`05:32.11`	`*** join/#debian sameerthahir (~smartbhai@111.92.76.70)`
`05:32.23`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: auth.log.1 or similar`
`05:33.14`	`*** join/#debian mastro (~daniele@host51-64-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`05:33.15`	`Doranwen`	`I don't know how to answer the question about loading iptables`
`05:33.28`	`Doranwen`	`found the auth.log.0, but it has nothing but me in it this time`
`05:33.39`	`*** join/#debian pyroscope (~chatzilla@p5480F269.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`05:33.55`	`Doranwen`	`so maybe they switched tactics? has no idea`
`05:34.23`	`*** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur)`
`05:34.26`	`*** join/#debian aidalgol (~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz)`
`05:34.37`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@rincevent.net)`
`05:34.40`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`05:35.43`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: ask your geekfriend that setted up your server to add the recent module to port 22 and limit access to it to some sensible number. your setup is quite nice and i wouldn't want to leave you with a broken server.`
`05:35.46`	`Doranwen`	`the log did cover last night--and I know it jumped somewhere from 12:04 to 12:06 but all it had on those lines were info about session closing for me and then accepting my password to open another one, pretty typical`
`05:36.24`	`*** join/#debian mns (~mns@c-71-192-48-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`05:36.29`	`Doranwen`	`unfortunately, geek friend is now married and I haven't had contact with him in months, would really prefer to not contact him if I have any option at all`
`05:36.46`	`Doranwen`	`was ex-boyfriend, so things are a bit awkward`
`05:37.16`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: what timezone are you in?`
`05:37.16`	`*** join/#debian lcafiero (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)`
`05:37.21`	`Doranwen`	`pacific time zone`
`05:37.30`	`Doranwen`	`only 10:37 p.m. here so I can be up several more hours`
`05:38.42`	`tharkun`	`1:37 am here and i need to catch some zzz. Let me think of a way for you to find the relevant stuff so you do not mess thing up.`
`05:38.51`	`Doranwen`	`ok, thanks :)`
`05:39.14`	`Doranwen`	`when would be a good time for me to be back here?`
`05:39.17`	`*** join/#debian vin__ (~vin@adsl-98-64-201-62.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`05:39.22`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: ls /etc/network/if-pre-up.d`
`05:39.50`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`05:39.58`	`tharkun`	`Is there anything there?`
`05:40.17`	`Doranwen`	`says bridge`
`05:40.22`	`Doranwen`	`in green letters, lol`
`05:40.42`	`tharkun`	`green letters means it is executable and you have colorized ls :)`
`05:40.46`	`Doranwen`	`lol, ok`
`05:40.50`	`Doranwen`	`so that's what the green is`
`05:40.58`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: cat bridge`
`05:41.22`	`tharkun`	`lets see what it has inside. if it has an iptables line that is what we are looking for`
`05:41.35`	`somiaj`	`by default, with dircolors you can set the colors of things`
`05:42.19`	`wols_`	`Doranwen: which service are they attacking to use 3-5GB in a few minutes?`
`05:42.26`	`Doranwen`	`well, I've read through it about three times but I can't see iptables`
`05:42.41`	`Doranwen`	`wols: I don't know--it was ssh, but they're not in the auth.log for last night so I have no idea`
`05:42.44`	`*** join/#debian JamezQ (~james@c-24-4-176-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`05:42.48`	`*** join/#debian vin_ (~vin@adsl-98-64-201-233.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`05:42.49`	`*** join/#debian oberling (~oberling@brln-4d0c3945.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`05:42.50`	`Doranwen`	`it only started in the last three weeks or so`
`05:43.02`	`wols_`	`so what other services does your box provide?`
`05:43.18`	`*** join/#debian Soham (~schakrab@nat/redhat/x-hqxtvgiocrsblvkd)`
`05:43.19`	`tharkun`	`wols_: http://pastebin.com/eHZNXDpH`
`05:43.38`	`Doranwen`	`could you clarify? I'm unclear what "services" means here`
`05:43.59`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: programs running, like web server mail ....`
`05:44.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1074] by debhelper`
`05:44.01`	`Doranwen`	`ah`
`05:44.10`	`Doranwen`	`it does have my website`
`05:44.13`	`Doranwen`	`which is barebones HTML`
`05:44.15`	`Doranwen`	`I hand-coded it`
`05:44.18`	`Doranwen`	`nothing fancy at all`
`05:44.31`	`Doranwen`	`no e-mail afaik`
`05:45.24`	`wols_`	`Doranwen: netstat -anp \|grep LIST and you will know`
`05:45.25`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: netstat -pantu on a pastebin`
`05:45.39`	`Gnudoll`	`a question in two parts: first off Wheee! I scored a Garmin nuvi GPS for cheap!!! second (the question) what app should I use to interface with it in order to update it or add/remove items from the onboard memory?`
`05:45.49`	`wols_`	`and your website you can see by checking the apache logs (see how much traffic was consumed that is)`
`05:46.26`	`*** join/#debian arvind_k (~arvind@117.192.214.204)`
`05:47.34`	`wols_`	`Doranwen: the how to limit traffic usage by them very much depends on what service they attack and how`
`05:47.48`	`*** join/#debian NurIch_ (~NurIch_@137.226.154.136)`
`05:48.08`	`wols_`	`unless it's a general purpose low level DDOS in which case only your hostercan help`
`05:48.12`	`Doranwen`	`the netstat -anp lists these services: http://pastebin.com/fikvL661 and netstat -pantu gives: http://pastebin.com/qd8FBuFF`
`05:48.19`	`Doranwen`	`wols: makes sense`
`05:48.20`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`05:49.31`	`wols_`	`Doranwen: you run utorrent on your linux server?`
`05:49.36`	`Doranwen`	`he set that up for me`
`05:49.49`	`*** join/#debian SoldErX (~SoldErX@41.248.59.237)`
`05:50.10`	`Doranwen`	`because I needed the control that utorrent had--the linux clients (at the time, not sure what's all changed in the last while, as I'm sure things have been better developed) didn't have the features I needed`
`05:50.30`	`Doranwen`	`at least, not in the webgui, and I wasn't always where accessing via vnc was very easy`
`05:50.40`	`*** join/#debian vikapi (~quassel@124.125.34.134)`
`05:50.53`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: that explains Xtighvnc on 5901`
`05:51.02`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`05:51.05`	`wols_`	`Doranwen: is this server somewhere in a datacentre or is it a hoe server at your place?`
`05:51.07`	`Doranwen`	`yeah, that's how I get in to manage it when I need vnc`
`05:51.09`	`Doranwen`	`it's at my house`
`05:51.12`	`Doranwen`	`about five feet from me`
`05:51.42`	`wols_`	`tightvnc and especialls samba must not be exposed to the internet. highly dangerous`
`05:51.42`	`*** join/#debian richo (~richo@unaffiliated/richohealey)`
`05:51.48`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: check your ftp log files`
`05:51.54`	`Doranwen`	`where I do look at those?`
`05:51.57`	`Doranwen`	`oh, hold on`
`05:52.00`	`Doranwen`	`they're probably there, lol`
`05:52.00`	`Doranwen`	`sorry`
`05:52.04`	`wols_`	`ah, so you only port forward certain ports from your router to the linux box?`
`05:52.09`	`tharkun`	`wols_: samba is not tightvnc is`
`05:52.12`	`richo`	`I'm interested in becoming a dd, but I've never met a dd in person and so proving m identity to someone for the purposes of keysigning is going to be an issue. What's the usual approach to this?`
`05:52.25`	`*** join/#debian tobago (~crolle@unaffiliated/tobago)`
`05:52.32`	`tharkun`	`Debconf :)`
`05:52.33`	`Doranwen`	`hrm, I don't know where to look for ftp logs`
`05:52.45`	`Doranwen`	`is that proftpd?`
`05:52.48`	`tharkun`	`yes`
`05:52.51`	`Doranwen`	`ah, k`
`05:52.54`	`*** join/#debian Miss_Anthropie (~blob@gssn-5f757c3f.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`05:52.54`	`wols_`	`Doranwen: /var/log where all logs are`
`05:53.02`	`Doranwen`	`yeah, I just didn't spot the ftp till then`
`05:53.22`	`Doranwen`	`oho, there they are`
`05:53.23`	`Doranwen`	`oh boy`
`05:53.24`	`Doranwen`	`lol`
`05:54.07`	`Doranwen`	`trying every super common name`
`05:54.12`	`Doranwen`	`the script had little imagination`
`05:54.13`	`wols_`	`disable proftpd too. unless you must have a anonymous accesslbe ftp servre, it's bad. use ssh instead`
`05:54.30`	`Doranwen`	`nods`
`05:54.36`	`Doranwen`	`works for me--how do I do that?`
`05:54.40`	`wols_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:54.57`	`wols_`	`you can actually remove proftpd from the machine`
`05:55.08`	`wols_`	`and use in the future filezilla sftp to access if you need it`
`05:55.12`	`Doranwen`	`oh, of course headdesks I'm used to stopping and starting the vncserver when the utorrent crashes occasionally`
`05:55.36`	`Doranwen`	`yeah, I use Filezilla with sftp only`
`05:55.38`	`Doranwen`	`so that's not a problem`
`05:56.01`	`Doranwen`	`and my best friend does the same when she shares stuff with me, so no need for ftp`
`05:56.05`	`wols_`	`I suggest youset up port knocking for ssh. utorrent needs its port forward, nothing you can do about that.`
`05:56.38`	`wols_`	`and for tightvnc from outside you use a ssh portforward too (putty can do this easily)`
`05:56.41`	`tharkun`	`wols_: iptables recent module on ssh with a 5 logins per hour should keep things ok`
`05:57.01`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: or you can use nomachine for that also`
`05:57.09`	`wols_`	`tharkun: you see how the attacker not only attacked ssh but the other things too`
`05:57.33`	`Doranwen`	`how do I remove proftpd? I'm a little more adventurous when it comes to vms or a laptop with some variety of linux, but I'm afraid to type something wrong here`
`05:58.32`	`Doranwen`	`or should I just disable it and leave it?`
`05:58.36`	`Doranwen`	`I'd rather do that if ok`
`05:59.06`	`tharkun`	`Doranwen: as wols_ told you /etc/init.d/proftp stop and you should be allright`
`05:59.08`	`aidalgol`	`What's a decent, lightweight, music player (that's packaged for Debian)?`
`05:59.12`	`Doranwen`	`oh good :)`
`05:59.18`	`wols_`	`apt-get remove proftpd-basic`
`05:59.18`	`tharkun`	`aidalgol: mocp`
`05:59.32`	`*** join/#debian UserX7 (~jake@80-42-157-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)`
`05:59.55`	`wols_`	`if you want to just disable it, you have to remove it from autostarting on server boot`
`06:00.05`	`Doranwen`	`ok, works for me`
`06:00.07`	`wols_`	`install rcconf I guess and remove it from /etc/rc2.d then`
`06:00.07`	`tharkun`	`wols_: i needed iptables-save and netstat -pan too begin patching.`
`06:00.23`	`wols_`	`tharkun: patching what?`
`06:00.43`	`aidalgol`	`tharkun: Nice!`
`06:00.50`	`*** join/#debian Tigerboy (~john@pool-108-0-35-40.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)`
`06:00.57`	`tharkun`	`wols_: security inconsistencies, that is how we ended up calling this process at the office`
`06:02.01`	`tharkun`	`anyway; too late for me now. g'night`
`06:02.14`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`06:02.17`	`UserX7`	`Can I install debian without a DE, and choose to install X and a lightweight window manager e.g. openbox? I'm installing on a netbook (no netinst), and I'm not sure if CD1 will have the packages I need.`
`06:02.34`	`Doranwen`	`I'm all confused now, what should I be doing next?`
`06:02.42`	`wols_`	`UserX7: yes. yoiu can install debian without X easily`
`06:03.04`	`wols_`	`Doranwen: you should find out which port they are attacking`
`06:03.08`	`somiaj`	`UserX7: common way -- use the netinstaller to insatll the base system -- then use apt-get/aptptiude to install what additional pacakges you need`
`06:03.14`	`wols_`	`and then mitigate the attack but closing it more off`
`06:03.20`	`somiaj`	`UserX7: in that case only need like a 200meg cd`
`06:03.52`	`*** join/#debian WormFood (~wormfood@183.15.156.129)`
`06:03.58`	`Doranwen`	`well, the ftp logs show port 21, logically--do I need that open at all or can I block that off?`
`06:04.36`	`wols_`	`UserX7: at the end of installng debian you get the option to install a "Desktop" task. don't install it and after the installation install thw packages xorg fluxbox (or any other WM you want)`
`06:04.56`	`wols_`	`you can block it off since you don't run a ftp server anymore`
`06:05.02`	`*** join/#debian citizen-stig (~citizen@31.130.208.1)`
`06:05.19`	`wols_`	`but since nothing is listening at port21 anymore, it's closed anyways`
`06:05.20`	`*** join/#debian pAt_ (~pat@82.113.99.58)`
`06:05.25`	`Doranwen`	`ah, ok`
`06:07.25`	`*** join/#debian msh07 (~ldp@unaffiliated/msh07)`
`06:07.56`	`*** join/#debian pgs (~Miranda@ppp113-84.static.internode.on.net)`
`06:08.40`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`06:08.42`	`aidalgol`	`Is there a program to tell me what package(s) I need to install to get the drivers for my WiFi device?`
`06:09.25`	`wols_`	`aidalgol: no. what wlan device do you have? lspci -nn \|grep -i net`
`06:09.37`	`UserX7`	`Thanks guys! Is there a difference between testing/unstable, or are they the same thing? I'm used to rolling release distros.`
`06:09.42`	`mns`	`how do I start the fan on my thinkpad laptop ? temperature is getting to be 65C ..`
`06:09.50`	`*** join/#debian ayambit (~chatzilla@dev-174.nic.ru)`
`06:09.59`	`wols_`	`UserX7: they are not the same. /msg dpkg testing /msg dpkg sid`
`06:10.38`	`wols_`	`UserX7: both of them are very often broken. iunless you understand how debian works and have some linux knowledge it's not advised to run them. start with stable`
`06:10.55`	`*** join/#debian digdilem_ (~digdilem_@host109-150-196-241.range109-150.btcentralplus.com)`
`06:11.03`	`wols_`	`mns: thinkwiki.org search for "thinkfan" IIRC.`
`06:11.17`	`aidalgol`	`wols_: In that case, I'll just look up my device on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi :)`
`06:11.20`	`mns`	`userx7: unstable is unstable. testing is in between stable and unstable. having said that, I've been using testing for a long time and have had no stability issues.`
`06:11.44`	`mns`	`wols_: tharkunnks. I'll try that.`
`06:11.58`	`mns`	`wols_: thanks.`
`06:12.12`	`*** join/#debian Xiaclo (~Xiaclo@ppp232-52.static.internode.on.net)`
`06:12.14`	`wols_`	`,versions thinkfan`
`06:12.15`	`judd`	`Package thinkfan on i386 -- sid: 0.7.1-2; squeeze: 0.7.1-2; wheezy: 0.7.1-2`
`06:12.22`	`wols_`	`mns: it's in the repos`
`06:12.45`	`*** join/#debian tct13 (~tct@host-94-232-224-86.etanetas.lt)`
`06:12.51`	`mns`	`yup .. saw that ..`
`06:12.51`	`*** join/#debian SoulSeller (ss@unaffiliated/soulseller)`
`06:12.56`	`*** join/#debian cahoot (~radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot)`
`06:13.09`	`tct13`	`hi`
`06:13.32`	`tct13`	`after installing ganglia with apt-get some configs were commited in my name`
`06:14.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1082] by debhelper`
`06:14.22`	`aidalgol`	`Erm, I don't see it on that list. lspci says the wireless device is "Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000".`
`06:14.41`	`*** join/#debian Keith-BlindUser (BOFHIRC@216.19.19.154)`
`06:14.42`	`tct13`	`why git commit? http://pastebin.com/dGRvs8jH`
`06:14.50`	`wols_`	`aidalgol: get the intel nonfree firmware`
`06:15.19`	`UserX7`	`i believe i may need testing, as the kernel with that release supports my wifi out of the box. this is a laptop system, isn't stable more for server use? many debian spinoffs seem to base their sources from testing, right? i've been using unsigned packages for months now -- i'm used to instability!`
`06:15.43`	`wols_`	`!kernels`
`06:15.45`	`dpkg`	`Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110722, snapshot 3: 3.0-git3 , mainline 3: 3.0 , stable 2.6.39: 2.6.39.3 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.8 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.4 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.13 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.10 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.16 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.43 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59`
`06:15.52`	`wols_`	`,kernels`
`06:15.53`	`judd`	`Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)`
`06:16.21`	`aidalgol`	`wols_: In which package is that?`
`06:16.33`	`wols_`	`UserX7: there is a backports kernel which most likely will recognize your wlan. squeeze-backports has kernel 2.6.38 as you can see`
`06:16.44`	`wols_`	`!tell aidalgol about firmware`
`06:16.58`	`wols_`	`firmware-linux-non-free I think. in the non-free repos`
`06:17.08`	`wols_`	`UserX7: which wlan chip is it?`
`06:17.24`	`wols_`	`7msg judd versions firmware-linux-nonfree`
`06:18.20`	`wols_`	`aidalgol: thing is, I dunno if squeeze kernel is new enough for this wlan chip. check your dmesg if it tries to load it but has problems with the firmware`
`06:18.37`	`wols_`	`if it doesn't try to load it you might need a bacports kernel`
`06:19.16`	`wols_`	`aidalgol: which is why I wanted the pci id of your chip from you: then we knew which kernel it needs by asking judd`
`06:19.22`	`*** join/#debian c2pLaY (~yep@S01060026f3c71ae8.cg.shawcable.net)`
`06:19.22`	`*** join/#debian c2pLaY (~yep@unaffiliated/c2play)`
`06:19.32`	`UserX7`	`wols_: bear with me: it's a msiwind u100 -- i'll boot it up now, may be different chipsets in them. what command shall i run - lspci?`
`06:19.59`	`aidalgol`	`wols_: I first need to determine whether I need firmware-iwlwifi or firmware-ipw2x00.`
`06:20.01`	`wols_`	`u100 is a very old netbook, no? n270 or n450?`
`06:20.23`	`wols_`	`aidalgol: iwlwifi. ipw2x00 is for 5-10 year old notebooks`
`06:20.47`	`aidalgol`	`wols_: ah, did not know that. Thanks! :)`
`06:21.17`	`*** join/#debian sunson (~suraj@210-210-41-202.lan.sify.net)`
`06:21.45`	`Gnudoll`	`a question in two pwhat app should I use to interface with it in order to update it or add/remove items from the onboard memory?`
`06:22.20`	`cahoot`	`ram?`
`06:22.31`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`06:22.39`	`*** join/#debian Zeit\|awy (~wurscht@HSI-KBW-046-005-149-096.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)`
`06:22.46`	`*** join/#debian Meier (~cmaser@p7123e3d4.np.gmx.net)`
`06:23.17`	`wols_`	`cahoot: agarmin GPS I think`
`06:24.10`	`*** join/#debian stylesen (~stylesen@202.3.120.9)`
`06:26.36`	`*** join/#debian Morten_ (~morten@2.107.15.157)`
`06:26.57`	`*** join/#debian desti (~desti@dslb-188-109-023-207.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`06:28.46`	`*** join/#debian bocaneri (~sauvin@about/linux/staff/sauvin)`
`06:31.36`	`*** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@87.13.81.117)`
`06:33.04`	`*** join/#debian s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-211.wlms-broadband.com)`
`06:34.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1074] by debhelper`
`06:34.26`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`06:36.05`	`*** join/#debian sumrak (dmitriy427@212.12.17.40)`
`06:36.56`	`*** join/#debian dobber (~dobber@213.169.45.222)`
`06:37.36`	`*** join/#debian dobber (~dobber@213.169.45.222)`
`06:39.25`	`*** join/#debian mastro (~daniele@87.13.81.117)`
`06:39.45`	`*** join/#debian ZeroHour_ (~zerohour@adsl-74-240-3-209.jan.bellsouth.net)`
`06:40.21`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.215.1.35)`
`06:40.50`	`*** join/#debian Tuxist (~quassel@dyndsl-080-228-198-242.ewe-ip-backbone.de)`
`06:41.58`	`optraz`	`how to detect shutdown due to power failure?`
`06:42.39`	`*** join/#debian TechDesk (~Lesbienne@192.51.10.109.rev.sfr.net)`
`06:42.44`	`*** join/#debian totte (~totte@unaffiliated/totte)`
`06:42.58`	`*** join/#debian valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org)`
`06:43.45`	`*** join/#debian moumoul (~jerem@ANantes-557-1-219-20.w2-9.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`06:44.10`	`nevyn`	`optraz: when you return to your system after leaving it alone it's off. and there's nothing in the logs`
`06:45.18`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`06:46.34`	`*** join/#debian devil (~Ferdi@dslb-088-074-049-045.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`06:46.50`	`optraz`	`nevyn: which log?`
`06:47.23`	`*** join/#debian NoOova (~NoOova@unaffiliated/nooova)`
`06:47.33`	`NoOova`	`hi alL! how i could know who i am?`
`06:47.36`	`NoOova`	`in console`
`06:47.41`	`mjmt`	`id -un`
`06:47.42`	`*** join/#debian berserkr1 (~daviddiaz@62.43.206.137.static.user.ono.com)`
`06:47.49`	`mjmt`	`NoOova: id -un`
`06:48.04`	`NoOova`	`Big thanx!`
`06:48.31`	`nevyn`	`optraz: there's no relevant events in the log is what I mean`
`06:48.50`	`*** join/#debian geenna (~geenna@78.134.4.147)`
`06:49.49`	`optraz`	`nevyn: not sure i am following you`
`06:50.00`	`mjmt`	`nevyn: Bit hard to grep for.`
`06:50.00`	`*** join/#debian monk (~aknm@unaffiliated/aknm)`
`06:51.17`	`optraz`	`nevyn: can you explain more?`
`06:51.32`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-148-187-211.range86-148.btcentralplus.com)`
`06:51.39`	`richo`	`NoOova: whoami`
`06:52.04`	`mjmt`	`optraz: Might want to invest in a UPS. Those can give you alerts.`
`06:52.08`	`*** join/#debian fleischergesell (~fleischer@dslb-088-077-197-241.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`06:52.34`	`*** join/#debian Parsifal (~steven@CPE-58-168-43-203.lns7.cht.bigpond.net.au)`
`06:52.39`	`*** join/#debian Kaede (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede)`
`06:52.50`	`optraz`	`mjmt: yes,we have that but i want to check if the o.s. is operoperly shutdown or it was poweroff due to battery run flat`
`06:53.15`	`*** join/#debian fossala (~fossala@host-92-28-217-152.as13285.net)`
`06:55.08`	`*** join/#debian sumrak (dmitriy427@212.12.17.40)`
`06:55.30`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.215.1.35)`
`06:55.44`	`*** join/#debian dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus)`
`06:55.56`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`06:56.23`	`*** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@117.192.214.204)`
`06:56.23`	`*** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230)`
`06:56.52`	`*** join/#debian vivid (~vivid@c-76-104-215-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`06:57.16`	`*** join/#debian vin_ (~vin@adsl-98-64-55-171.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`06:57.18`	`*** join/#debian Kharec (~Kharec@84.6.4.15)`
`06:58.24`	`Kharec`	`lo`
`06:59.17`	`*** join/#debian vin__ (~vin@adsl-98-64-55-171.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`06:59.22`	`*** join/#debian UserX7 (~jake@80-42-157-214.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com)`
`06:59.24`	`*** join/#debian lalochezia (~lalochezi@chello080108101183.24.11.vie.surfer.at)`
`07:00.07`	`*** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217)`
`07:00.55`	`*** join/#debian florian11 (~irchon@dslb-088-077-191-030.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`07:01.49`	`*** join/#debian pierrep (~pierrep@52.146.202.77.rev.sfr.net)`
`07:03.14`	`*** join/#debian mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno)`
`07:03.28`	`*** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@85-127-217-13.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at)`
`07:03.31`	`*** join/#debian ReimuHakurei (~reimu@74.112.212.15)`
`07:04.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1083] by debhelper`
`07:04.21`	`*** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.151.94)`
`07:04.38`	`*** join/#debian isidore (~quassel@host-85-201-162-122.brutele.be)`
`07:04.47`	`*** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157)`
`07:05.47`	`Doranwen`	`hmm, now it's a little less than 3 gigs upload--but no download this time`
`07:05.58`	`Doranwen`	`previously I've seen the bandwidth run up in download as well`
`07:06.15`	`Doranwen`	`anyway, I'll head to bed soon, but thanks all for the help tonight :)`
`07:07.01`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`07:07.20`	`daniel-s`	`in my resolv.conf`
`07:07.33`	`daniel-s`	`if i have several lines of "nameserver x.x.x.x"`
`07:07.44`	`simonlnu`	`you can have up to 3`
`07:07.46`	`daniel-s`	`will that try from top to bottom of the list until it gets a result?`
`07:08.03`	`simonlnu`	`man resolv.conf. yes. man resolv.conf`
`07:11.50`	`*** join/#debian davidisko (~davidisko@ip-88-212-34-153.antik.sk)`
`07:13.28`	`beardy`	`Yeah man.`
`07:13.30`	`*** part/#debian crunge (~Crunge@about/security/staff/crunge)`
`07:14.01`	`*** join/#debian shauno (~soneil@pdpc/supporter/professional/shauno)`
`07:14.41`	`simonlnu`	`hehe`
`07:17.36`	`*** join/#debian aidalgol (~user@114-134-7-23.rurallink.co.nz)`
`07:18.15`	`*** join/#debian vin_ (~vin@adsl-98-64-55-213.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`07:19.00`	`*** join/#debian grazymax (~grazymax@host95-159-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`07:20.34`	`*** join/#debian Kaede (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede)`
`07:21.31`	`*** join/#debian massmc (~massmc@r220-101-172-235.cpe.unwired.net.au)`
`07:22.51`	`*** join/#debian GoonHost (~massmc@r220-101-172-235.cpe.unwired.net.au)`
`07:23.05`	`Kharec`	`hi`
`07:23.17`	`Kharec`	`Now I get this error when I launch wicd: rename failed`
`07:23.30`	`Kharec`	`I'm on Sid with a 3.0.0 kernel.`
`07:23.39`	`Kharec`	`(that works very well)`
`07:25.55`	`*** join/#debian hell_razer (~HellRaise@35-26-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net)`
`07:25.56`	`*** join/#debian [diablo] (~diablo@unaffiliated/miles/x-000000001)`
`07:26.04`	`*** part/#debian GoonHost (~massmc@r220-101-172-235.cpe.unwired.net.au)`
`07:27.43`	`*** part/#debian arnoldB (~arni@www1.bechtoldt-srv.com)`
`07:27.48`	`Kharec`	`And no result on this error on wicd faq.`
`07:29.37`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`07:30.12`	`*** join/#debian erufu (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`07:31.40`	`*** join/#debian dc5ala (~dc5ala@stgt-5d84ad22.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`07:31.52`	`*** join/#debian Cyanure (~Cyanure@2001:660:330f:cc:224:e8ff:fe92:fd7b)`
`07:32.21`	`*** join/#debian atlas95 (~cyril@unaffilated/atlas95)`
`07:32.34`	`negge`	`I'm trying to set up logwatch on a server. I run it with "--mailto root", and root is defined in /etc/aliases as my own gmail address. I have run newaliases but exim4 still doesn't understand it and tries to send the mail to root@whatever instead of the gmail address. How can this be?`
`07:34.36`	`*** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host121-68-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`07:36.57`	`Kharec`	`I make a second try`
`07:37.38`	`*** join/#debian erufu (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`07:38.19`	`*** join/#debian SandmanNet (~sandman@dream.sandman.net)`
`07:38.40`	`*** join/#debian vizzord (~exn@195.49.206.202)`
`07:39.10`	`*** join/#debian Nickeee (ca9a8f92@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.154.143.146)`
`07:41.36`	`*** join/#debian Ealdor (~Ealdor@42.Red-79-147-16.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`07:41.37`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`07:41.43`	`*** join/#debian mastro (~daniele@host121-68-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`07:43.02`	`*** join/#debian Driver\|krsK (~Driver\|kr@krsk.gtm.ru)`
`07:43.13`	`*** part/#debian NickelZ (ca9a8f92@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.154.143.146)`
`07:45.47`	`UserX7`	`in kernel numbering, what does *-pae mean?`
`07:46.57`	`streuner_`	`!pae`
`07:46.57`	`dpkg`	`Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>.`
`07:47.17`	`*** join/#debian Miss_Anthropie (~blob@gssn-4d0037dd.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`07:47.17`	`*** join/#debian ongolaBoy (~ongolaBoy@unaffiliated/ongolaboy)`
`07:47.35`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`07:47.46`	`oobe`	`I couldn of said it better myself`
`07:48.42`	`UserX7`	`i'm wondering how much gain i'd get if i didn't have pae support in my kernel, since i don't need it on some systems`
`07:50.35`	`*** join/#debian smica (~smica@91.213.150.50)`
`07:51.40`	`*** join/#debian corvaleur (~corvaleur@unaffiliated/corvaleur)`
`07:51.44`	`*** join/#debian wroos (~wroos@83.172.84.178)`
`07:52.00`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`07:52.27`	`*** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host114-66-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`07:53.51`	`corvaleur`	`i'd like to have a different keyboard layout than my system language but if i change my LANG it automatically changes the keyboard layout, i tried to pkg-reconfigure but it didn't change anything`
`07:54.28`	`*** join/#debian atlas95 (~cyril@unaffilated/atlas95)`
`07:54.54`	`oobe`	`you can set it in xorg but that wont help shell maybe you can specify it in /etc/profile or ~/.bashrc`
`07:55.08`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`07:55.11`	`rozie`	`corvaleur: take a look on keyboard-configuration`
`07:55.17`	`rozie`	`(package name0`
`07:55.26`	`*** join/#debian StefandeVries (~Stefan@unaffiliated/stefandevries)`
`07:57.57`	`*** join/#debian Jackneill (~Jackneill@82.131.224.9.pool.invitel.hu)`
`07:57.57`	`*** join/#debian Jackneill (~Jackneill@unaffiliated/jackneill)`
`07:58.49`	`*** join/#debian Kaede (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede)`
`07:59.02`	`corvaleur`	`rozie i did the keyboard-configuration and it is set to a german layout but it doesn't work in the shell, i think i will try to set the xkeyboard layout manually :/`
`07:59.53`	`*** join/#debian DanC82 (~DanC82@cpc12-rdng20-2-0-cust627.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`08:00.19`	`*** join/#debian mastro (~daniele@host114-66-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`08:00.59`	`*** part/#debian DanC82 (~DanC82@cpc12-rdng20-2-0-cust627.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`08:03.27`	`*** join/#debian Aaron_ (~Aaron@99-126-31-70.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net)`
`08:03.48`	`Aaron_`	`hello i have a question I'm using xfce4, and i was using network-manager but it does not appear any where in xfce4, can someone help me?`
`08:04.07`	`*** part/#debian oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe)`
`08:04.16`	`*** join/#debian oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe)`
`08:04.25`	`*** join/#debian koara (~olivier@fil75-1-78-192-105-53.fbxo.proxad.net)`
`08:05.04`	`*** join/#debian pif (~ldm@zenon.apartia.fr)`
`08:05.41`	`*** part/#debian corvaleur (~corvaleur@unaffiliated/corvaleur)`
`08:07.20`	`*** join/#debian massmc (~massmc@r220-101-172-235.cpe.unwired.net.au)`
`08:07.22`	`*** join/#debian simonlnu (zr9juxKnro@unaffiliated/simonrvn)`
`08:07.58`	`*** join/#debian Kharec (~Kharec@84.6.4.15)`
`08:11.10`	`*** join/#debian c0nfl\|ct (~tiagrei@a81-84-110-5.cpe.netcabo.pt)`
`08:12.38`	`*** join/#debian erufu_ (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`08:13.22`	`*** join/#debian ayanes (~ayanes@unaffiliated/ayanes)`
`08:13.58`	`oobe`	`god why doesnt debian hurry up and release a stable version with kernel 3.0 as default`
`08:14.14`	`*** join/#debian e-anima (~eanima@p54BADCC4.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`08:14.21`	*** join/#debian Cain` (~Geek@unaffiliated/cain)
`08:14.50`	`Spida`	`oobe: which specific changes in 3.0 do you need?`
`08:15.12`	`*** join/#debian weedar (~vn@2a02:2728:1:201:21f:3bff:fe79:b7d1)`
`08:15.22`	`oobe`	`lol I dont know I havent even read the changelog 3.0 seems to of only just been released I was being silly`
`08:15.52`	`oobe`	`cause debian stuck with 2.2 for years and years and 2.6 is now 7 years old`
`08:16.08`	`oobe`	`just seemed humorous to me`
`08:17.06`	`*** join/#debian weedar (~vn@82.194.193.51)`
`08:17.13`	`oobe`	`I wonder what happened to kernel 2.8`
`08:17.22`	`*** join/#debian albech (~thomas@109.202.128.62)`
`08:17.27`	`*** join/#debian dekar (~dekar@95.143.165.210)`
`08:17.29`	`*** join/#debian e1z0_ (~null@84.32.72.198)`
`08:18.02`	`*** join/#debian uestra (~lard@dslb-088-071-098-185.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`08:18.33`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`08:19.02`	`*** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@85.93.121.21)`
`08:19.17`	`cahoot`	`maybe you need read up on kernelnumbering?`
`08:19.45`	`*** join/#debian jodeba_ (~debel@ip3.c198.obr248.cust.comxnet.dk)`
`08:20.23`	`oobe`	`depends if you know the answer and it would fit into one sentence but you decided to be a douche instead of just telling me`
`08:20.31`	`oobe`	`or if its long winded`
`08:20.58`	`cahoot`	`https://lkml.org/`
`08:20.59`	`*** join/#debian koara (~olivier@fil75-1-78-192-105-53.fbxo.proxad.net)`
`08:22.26`	`*** join/#debian ayanes (~ayanes@unaffiliated/ayanes)`
`08:22.33`	`*** join/#debian tvm (~tvm@85.93.121.21)`
`08:23.52`	`*** join/#debian edog (~edog@86.57.155.126)`
`08:24.04`	`ugly_duck`	`hey i've broken php-mysql, whats the best way to fix it? i deleted a folder containing the /usr/lib/php5/folder/mysql.so`
`08:24.29`	`ugly_duck`	`is there a reinstall command, i've tried dpkg-reconfigure`
`08:24.31`	`*** join/#debian Slystone (~stony1@154.122.103.84.rev.sfr.net)`
`08:24.33`	`ugly_duck`	`didn't work`
`08:25.31`	`*** join/#debian Gilde (~Gilde@dslb-092-076-158-087.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`08:26.20`	`*** join/#debian [SkG] (~SkG@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332)`
`08:27.28`	`*** join/#debian Kharec (~Kharec@84.6.4.15)`
`08:28.22`	`*** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@host86-165-202-166.range86-165.btcentralplus.com)`
`08:30.48`	`*** join/#debian erufu (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`08:31.36`	`nkuttler`	`ugly_duck: purge the package, then reinstall`
`08:31.53`	`ugly_duck`	`k`
`08:32.16`	`nkuttler`	`actually, simply apt-get install --reinstall should do the trick`
`08:32.42`	`NoOova`	`Hi all! is apache2_mpm_itk evil?`
`08:33.01`	`*** join/#debian stoffell (~stoffell@d5152D12C.static.telenet.be)`
`08:33.13`	`NoOova`	`i want use .htaccess apache and nginx front end. for many isers`
`08:33.19`	`NoOova`	`users`
`08:33.46`	`NoOova`	`mod_itk is work... but maybe after sometime will be troubles?`
`08:34.16`	`nkuttler`	`running apache just to be able to use .htaccess files sounds superfluous`
`08:34.22`	`*** join/#debian edog (~edog@86.57.155.126)`
`08:36.01`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`08:36.22`	`*** join/#debian JPT (~JPT@141.71.113.62)`
`08:36.29`	`*** join/#debian larsivi (~quassel@static216-54.mimer.net)`
`08:37.16`	`NoOova`	`no) running apache for using some software`
`08:37.19`	`NoOova`	`like cms'`
`08:37.25`	`NoOova`	`different cms`
`08:37.26`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`08:37.34`	`*** join/#debian totient (~totient@pool-72-94-197-134.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)`
`08:38.39`	`*** join/#debian berarma (~bernat@191.Red-81-39-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`08:39.12`	`*** join/#debian Ergo^ (~ergo@hyp-p-107.pabianice.msk.pl)`
`08:40.41`	`*** join/#debian TechDesk (~Lesbienne@192.51.10.109.rev.sfr.net)`
`08:43.41`	`*** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga)`
`08:44.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1091] by debhelper`
`08:45.07`	`*** join/#debian lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah)`
`08:46.36`	`*** join/#debian slvmchn (~slvmecha@c-107-3-93-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`08:47.48`	`*** join/#debian lanze_so4 (~hed@2001:41b8:203:dc11:a288:b4ff:fe14:5f3c)`
`08:48.02`	`*** join/#debian achadwick (~achadwick@nat-alpha.ceu.ox.ac.uk)`
`08:48.23`	`*** join/#debian hardnrgg (~roycable@124-170-6-213.dyn.iinet.net.au)`
`08:51.16`	`*** join/#debian ws2k33 (ws2k3@541B2FFE.cm-5-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl)`
`08:53.20`	`*** join/#debian Jaif (~jaif@c83-254-86-77.bredband.comhem.se)`
`08:53.33`	`*** join/#debian _fatalerrors (~Geoffray@nor75-2-82-231-251-28.fbx.proxad.net)`
`08:54.11`	`*** join/#debian catsup (d@ps38852.dreamhost.com)`
`08:55.34`	`*** join/#debian nsadmin (~nsadmin@unaffiliated/nsadmin)`
`08:56.05`	`*** join/#debian stepkrav (~step@46-30-215.adsl.cyta.gr)`
`08:56.05`	`*** join/#debian stepkrav (~step@unaffiliated/stepkrav)`
`08:56.58`	`*** join/#debian sunson (~suraj@182.71.241.130)`
`08:58.01`	`*** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@227.Red-88-27-135.staticIP.rima-tde.net)`
`08:58.01`	`*** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga)`
`08:58.12`	`*** join/#debian frostschutz (~frostschu@p4FFF780C.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`08:59.04`	`*** join/#debian DerPate (~dominikbr@pD9ED262F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`09:00.14`	`*** join/#debian colo-work (~colo@86.59.8.78)`
`09:01.17`	`*** join/#debian CrazyEddy (~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy)`
`09:01.30`	`*** join/#debian rinru (~rinru@pas38-5-82-244-59-208.fbx.proxad.net)`
`09:01.41`	`*** join/#debian DodgeThis (~DodgeThis@a89-152-92-175.cpe.netcabo.pt)`
`09:03.37`	`*** join/#debian Tigerboy (~shamus@pool-108-0-35-40.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)`
`09:04.55`	`*** join/#debian markochello (~markochel@bzq-218-182-227.red.bezeqint.net)`
`09:05.57`	`*** join/#debian phaer (4e8e7fba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.142.127.186)`
`09:06.30`	`*** join/#debian Tom01 (~tom@p5DDFFC92.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`09:06.53`	`*** join/#debian dobalina (~dob@21.101.88.79.rev.sfr.net)`
`09:07.50`	`*** join/#debian ngochai (~ngochai@61.8.209.130)`
`09:08.12`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen_ (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`09:08.27`	`*** join/#debian MadViking (~user@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe8efb00-63.dhcp.inet.fi)`
`09:09.52`	`*** join/#debian Daniel0108 (~Daniel010@unaffiliated/daniel0108)`
`09:10.11`	`*** part/#debian pgs (~Miranda@ppp113-84.static.internode.on.net)`
`09:10.34`	`*** part/#debian Tigerboy (~shamus@pool-108-0-35-40.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)`
`09:12.20`	`*** join/#debian MadViking (~user@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe8efb00-63.dhcp.inet.fi)`
`09:15.02`	`*** join/#debian erufu (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`09:16.40`	`*** join/#debian Iridos (~boo@unaffiliated/iridos)`
`09:17.49`	`*** join/#debian waka (~waka@unaffiliated/waka)`
`09:20.54`	`*** join/#debian shogunx (~shogunx@2001:4978:106:1:21e:33ff:fe47:32f5)`
`09:21.25`	`*** join/#debian Jackneill (~Jackneill@unaffiliated/jackneill)`
`09:22.22`	`*** join/#debian anaschema (~schem@77.49.191.176)`
`09:24.10`	`*** join/#debian Shrat (~michael@bus77-2-82-244-149-143.fbx.proxad.net)`
`09:24.17`	`*** join/#debian dschoepe (~dschoepe@unaffiliated/dschoepe)`
`09:25.04`	`Shrat`	`Hi people! I have a laptop connected through wifi. How to make it reconnect automatically when the router reboots?`
`09:25.26`	`*** join/#debian jodeba_ (~debel@ip3.c198.obr248.cust.comxnet.dk)`
`09:27.19`	`colo-work`	`NetworkManager can do that for you. just enable it for the configured connection (it's named "Auto-connect" or sth. like that)`
`09:27.31`	`Shrat`	`hmmm I'm not using that`
`09:27.35`	`*** join/#debian erufu (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`09:27.39`	`Shrat`	`Do I need X for that?`
`09:27.57`	`colo-work`	`well then read the docs of the system you're using. you can do that even in /etc/network/interfaces`
`09:28.10`	`colo-work`	`you don't _strictly_ need X for NetworkManager, no`
`09:28.11`	`*** join/#debian zyga (~zyga@linaro/zyga)`
`09:28.11`	`Shrat`	`it is what I am using`
`09:28.19`	`colo-work`	`I've never seen someone use it without though`
`09:28.36`	`Shrat`	`me neither :)`
`09:28.42`	`*** join/#debian oberling (~oberling@141.45.146.80)`
`09:31.43`	`*** join/#debian kurkale6ka (~chatzilla@gatek.mh.bbc.co.uk)`
`09:31.44`	`*** join/#debian F0lk__ (~TheY@p5B153168.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`09:32.52`	`*** join/#debian Yu\2 (~Yu@2001:638:504:f19b:213:77ff:feb6:afb0)`
`09:34.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1100] by debhelper`
`09:34.20`	`*** join/#debian mosno (~MOSNO@unaffiliated/mosno)`
`09:35.30`	`*** join/#debian sourcode (~code@ppp-58-11-71-5.revip2.asianet.co.th)`
`09:36.16`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.215.1.35)`
`09:36.30`	`*** join/#debian bit0 (~jantonio@61.Red-80-24-119.staticIP.rima-tde.net)`
`09:37.44`	`*** join/#debian Xanthor[aw] (~Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-137-162.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`09:40.23`	`*** join/#debian jhulst (~jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst)`
`09:41.09`	`*** join/#debian zendeavr (~zendeavor@68.50.228.136)`
`09:41.32`	`*** join/#debian guk (chris@cable-63-135-18-184.dyn.personainc.net)`
`09:41.36`	`*** join/#debian DistroJockey (~DistroJoc@ppp118-208-185-150.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net)`
`09:42.27`	`*** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@dslb-178-004-209-174.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`09:42.49`	`*** join/#debian slackd00d (~slackd00d@c-24-19-217-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`09:43.00`	`*** join/#debian stylesen (~stylesen@202.3.120.9)`
`09:45.35`	`*** join/#debian lancelot_of (~TheKnight@193.205.228.108)`
`09:45.40`	`lancelot_of`	`hi there`
`09:46.05`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.215.1.35)`
`09:46.16`	`*** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230)`
`09:47.39`	`*** join/#debian arcsky (~arcsky@2001:470:1f08:1b3b::2)`
`09:48.06`	`*** join/#debian ciluu (~ciluu@2a01:270:dd00:b800::1)`
`09:48.31`	`*** join/#debian Amorphous (jan@unaffiliated/amorphous)`
`09:49.27`	`*** join/#debian MrOpposite (~mropposit@unaffiliated/mropposite)`
`09:49.28`	`*** join/#debian smeea (~smeea@89.163.26.137)`
`09:49.37`	`lancelot_of`	`i'm using the command rsync -ah --progress /mp3files /media/reiserfsHD to copy a large amount of filles (35GB) to an external hard disk.on files containing accentend characters (àèìòù) i get : Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84) and the file is not copyed. How to fix?`
`09:50.15`	`*** join/#debian xakz (~XaMaD@ARennes-554-1-315-247.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`09:51.12`	`*** join/#debian flores (~marcelo@astro18.physik.uni-wuppertal.de)`
`09:52.21`	`*** join/#debian valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org)`
`09:53.02`	`nsadmin`	`in the file content or the file name?`
`09:53.20`	`lancelot_of`	`nsadmin, the file name`
`09:54.21`	`nsadmin`	`perhaps one of the filesystems (containing the originals, or containing the eventual copy) is having the problems with the names`
`09:54.50`	`*** join/#debian bjwebb (~bjwebb@5ad10181.bb.sky.com)`
`09:54.51`	`*** join/#debian bjwebb (~bjwebb@unaffiliated/bjwebb)`
`09:55.39`	`Shrat`	`well, the documentation wasn't really helpful. Nevermind, I'll do it the ugly way, with a cron script that pings google.`
`09:55.41`	`lancelot_of`	`nsadmin, ok, is there any way to fix it instead of re-naming hundreds of files? :(`
`09:56.28`	`Shrat`	`I've heard of usbsync dealing with that kind of stuff but I'm not an expert lancelot_of`
`09:56.55`	`Shrat`	`It's not really intended for your situation though`
`09:56.56`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`09:57.03`	`lancelot_of`	`Shrat, does it work even with external HD?`
`09:57.06`	`nsadmin`	`no idea, you haven't said what filesystems you are using`
`09:57.45`	`Shrat`	`Sure`
`09:58.31`	`*** join/#debian Jackneill (~Jackneill@unaffiliated/jackneill)`
`09:59.32`	`fishsponge_`	`hey people... i'm about to switch from the ISP-supplied 100Mbit router and a very old 100Mbit switch to a pair of new Gigabit switches which support Jumbo frames up to 15K.`
`09:59.32`	`fishsponge_`	`I tend to do photo and video editing across my LAN to my server upstairs, and I know i'll see a difference just by switching to gigabit, but is there anything else I should do to enable these jumbo frames or will my Linux server, Windows laptop and the switches all sort it out by themselves?? or are jumbo frames not worth bothering with in my sort of environment, do you think?`
`09:59.47`	`lancelot_of`	`nsadmin, reiser to reiser`
`09:59.54`	`fishsponge_`	`needless to say, my server is latest Debian, and the laptop I edit on is a Win7 Toshiba laptop`
`10:00.00`	`nsadmin`	`one thing to determine is whether it's the fact the drive is connected outside the machine is the problem...`
`10:02.04`	`nsadmin`	`for example, what happens if you copy (say) one file whose name has these chars across using (1) cp and (2) rsync`
`10:02.09`	`*** join/#debian carloimperia (~carloimpe@109.114.99.98)`
`10:02.24`	`frostschutz`	`fishsponge_: jumbo frames help for large file transfers. they can hurt you though when talking to someone who doesn't support them (like your router). and they have to be enabled manually on all machines as far as I'm aware. network cards have to support it too, not all do`
`10:02.53`	`*** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@85-127-217-13.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at)`
`10:03.13`	`lancelot_of`	`nsadmin, don't remember the exxact error message of cp, but really something similar. The file is not copyed due to chars errors`
`10:03.14`	`nsadmin`	`if neither cp nor rsync work, maybe it's the filesystem... but then that doesn't explain why you have the original file on a reiser and it's working/stored`
`10:03.46`	`fishsponge_`	`OK, so if I want my laptop and server to use jumbo frames when talking to each other, I have to enable jumbo frames on them completely... so my Internet router has to also support it, as does my girlfriend's laptop, and my iPhone (potentially), and my Xbox, and my media centre, etc, etc, etc.... is that right?`
`10:04.04`	`*** join/#debian carloimperia (~carloimpe@109.114.99.98)`
`10:04.12`	`fishsponge_`	`also... how much benefit does jumbo frames give? Can it double the speed? triple it? or add just 5%?`
`10:04.24`	`*** join/#debian AlertEye (~ertyle@unaffiliated/ertyle)`
`10:04.30`	`nsadmin`	`fishsponge_, do you already have the eqpt?`
`10:04.53`	`fishsponge_`	`nsadmin, I now have 2 new gigabit switches which support jumbo frames up to 15K. I have no idea whether my server, laptop and other machines do`
`10:05.08`	`lancelot_of`	`nsadmin, however that's the situation, any idea how to solve?`
`10:05.23`	`fishsponge_`	`i bought the gigabit switches because I wanted gigabit, but I'm thinking of using jumbo frames if it'll add anything worth having and is possible in my environment`
`10:05.25`	`neibo`	`exit`
`10:05.26`	`*** part/#debian fish_ (~fish@freigeist.org)`
`10:05.29`	`lancelot_of`	`making a tar file needs more than 35 hours on that machine`
`10:05.32`	`nsadmin`	`lancelot_of, you first have to determine the problem`
`10:05.56`	`*** join/#debian LjL (~ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl)`
`10:06.23`	`lancelot_of`	`nsadmin, isn't it clear?What's necessary?`
`10:06.38`	`nevyn`	`lancelot_of: jumbo frames are a big win on a nfs/storage network or if you're doing a lot of bulk transfer.`
`10:06.49`	`nsadmin`	`lancelot_of, if it were clear, you would already know how to solve it`
`10:06.57`	`nevyn`	`lancelot_of: but for regular internet stuff. not so much.`
`10:07.13`	`nevyn`	`oops that should be fishsponge_ ^^`
`10:07.22`	`fishsponge_`	`:-)... reading now`
`10:07.31`	`lancelot_of`	`nevyn, dunno anything about jumbo frames`
`10:07.33`	`*** join/#debian Parsifal (~steven@CPE-58-168-43-203.lns7.cht.bigpond.net.au)`
`10:07.55`	`lancelot_of`	`nsadmin, if it were clear to me how to solve it, i didn't ask for support here`
`10:08.06`	`nsadmin`	`pulls his floppy backup of the internet... SUPERSIZE it!`
`10:08.11`	`fishsponge_`	`nevyn, i'll be doing video editing and photo editing with the files stored on my server, so not streaming or large transfers as such, but lots of constant communication and reading & writing of data as I make edits and do playbacks`
`10:09.47`	`fishsponge_`	`i think i'll give it all a miss in this environment... do jumbo frames really add that much anyway? they're just saving packet overhead, right? it can't double or triple the speed`
`10:10.26`	`*** join/#debian lanze_so4 (~hed@2001:41b8:203:dc11:a288:b4ff:fe14:5f3c)`
`10:10.55`	`*** join/#debian Ex-Opesa (~Ex-Opesa@ner-as27517.alshamil.net.ae)`
`10:11.42`	`*** join/#debian UltimediaOS (~Ultimedia@i5E864FE5.versanet.de)`
`10:12.12`	`nsadmin`	`lancelot_of, we're both just people... either one of us would have to pinpoint exactly why this is happening`
`10:12.16`	`*** join/#debian BWMerlin (~BW~Merlin@CPE-60-226-105-114.qld.bigpond.net.au)`
`10:12.22`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`10:13.25`	`*** join/#debian xakz (~XaMaD@ARennes-554-1-315-247.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`10:13.31`	`*** join/#debian neibo (~bingen@104.85-85-144.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es)`
`10:13.45`	`*** join/#debian Odaym (~ongoing@unaffiliated/odaym)`
`10:14.49`	`*** join/#debian Texou (~Texou@unaffiliated/texou)`
`10:15.20`	`nsadmin`	`fishsponge_, you may need to recable inside to accomodate the additional bandwidth... definitely try with what you have, and you may or may not have to recable and possibly also reroute.`
`10:15.37`	`nsadmin`	`the outside bandwidth is another matter`
`10:15.45`	`fishsponge_`	`cabling should be fine... it's all CAT5e...`
`10:15.54`	`nsadmin`	`do you have a gigabit internet connection?`
`10:16.03`	`fishsponge_`	`nope... 20Mbit, hence the 100Mbit router`
`10:16.12`	`fishsponge_`	`i'm upgrading to gigabit for internal LAN communications.`
`10:16.36`	`nsadmin`	`so the router is probably fine as long as the internal interface is compatible with the switch`
`10:17.04`	`*** join/#debian Sweetshark (~bjoern@port-28870.pppoe.wtnet.de)`
`10:17.04`	`*** join/#debian Sweetshark (~bjoern@canonical/sweetshark)`
`10:17.39`	`nsadmin`	`either because it's 100baseT and the gigabit switch negotiates per connection, or because the router's internal intervace can be swapped out`
`10:18.09`	`nsadmin`	`that should be quick to test:`
`10:18.22`	`nsadmin`	`just replace the switch and see if things work`
`10:19.08`	`*** join/#debian sphenxes01 (~sphenxes@85-127-212-172.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at)`
`10:19.12`	`nsadmin`	`if yes, result hopeful: then make sure machines inside your net to be involved in fast copying/transfer have gigabit ethernet interfaces`
`10:19.17`	`*** join/#debian cornelinux (~koelbel@dslb-188-107-065-153.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`10:20.04`	`*** join/#debian Jackneill (~Jackneill@unaffiliated/jackneill)`
`10:22.55`	`*** join/#debian Buumi (~bummy@94.22.39.65)`
`10:23.35`	`*** join/#debian ah7013 (~andrew@121-72-192-127.dsl.telstraclear.net)`
`10:24.52`	`*** join/#debian Ivermectina (~Ivermecti@48-63-231-201.fibertel.com.ar)`
`10:24.52`	`*** join/#debian Ivermectina (~Ivermecti@unaffiliated/d33r)`
`10:26.10`	`nsadmin`	`then test two such machines for transfer performance`
`10:26.52`	`Shrat`	`So, does anybody know how to make your wireless interface reconnect automatically with /etc/network/interface?`
`10:27.22`	`*** join/#debian Milp_main (~Milp@dslb-088-065-008-251.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`10:27.36`	`*** join/#debian mican (~con@117.192.102.231)`
`10:30.54`	`Bushmills`	`surely somebody does`
`10:31.49`	`*** join/#debian p3rror (~mezgani@2001:470:1f0b:c66:1::2)`
`10:31.58`	`Shrat`	`I'm beginning to doubt that :)`
`10:32.30`	`Bushmills`	`nobody said "nobody does"`
`10:33.12`	`berarma`	`no point in answering that kind of questions`
`10:33.19`	`Shrat`	`From a pure logic point of view, you're right...`
`10:33.59`	`Shrat`	`anyway, do you know how to achieve that?`
`10:34.25`	`berarma`	`not with /etc/network/interface`
`10:34.33`	`Shrat`	`The documentation is just poorly written and I don't think people manage to get something out of that`
`10:35.05`	`Shrat`	`So I guess, I'll have to install network-manager`
`10:35.09`	`Bushmills`	`too many variables. WEP? WPA? using wpasupplicant?`
`10:35.12`	`berarma`	`have you already read the interfaces manpage?`
`10:35.37`	`Shrat`	`I've read chapter 5 of the debian manual`
`10:35.42`	`Bushmills`	`it boils down to configure interfaces, then ifup`
`10:35.42`	`Shrat`	`several times`
`10:35.51`	`berarma`	`man interfaces`
`10:35.59`	`Shrat`	`ok ok I'm checking that thanks`
`10:36.49`	`*** join/#debian chipnt (~Chip@paris-18.progdev.fr)`
`10:36.55`	`Shrat`	`damn the manpage is far better! Thanks!`
`10:37.38`	`*** join/#debian zendeavor (zendeavor@pingas.org)`
`10:38.18`	`Shrat`	`I'll let you know if I come up with a solution. It seems to me many people are trying to achieve that and fail. Google is full of posts about auto-reconnecting without nm.`
`10:38.54`	`Bushmills`	`man wireless`
`10:39.07`	`*** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217)`
`10:39.29`	`*** join/#debian lancelot_of (~TheKnight@193.205.228.108)`
`10:39.32`	`*** join/#debian frankie (~frankie@klecker.ba.issia.cnr.it)`
`10:39.38`	`*** join/#debian florian_ (~irchon@dslb-088-077-191-030.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`10:39.47`	`lancelot_of`	`ok i post the rsync error message: rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.8]`
`10:39.50`	`*** join/#debian drwrr (~drwrr@ip-178-202-101-63.unitymediagroup.de)`
`10:39.57`	`*** join/#debian Kraftzwerk (~Kraftzwer@osbk-4d087c08.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`10:40.27`	`*** join/#debian adb (~Moldovean@178-211-230-159.dhcp.voenergies.net)`
`10:40.50`	`*** join/#debian twois10 (~twois10@unaffiliated/twois10)`
`10:40.54`	`*** join/#debian zcat[1] (~zcat@ip-118-90-52-218.xdsl.xnet.co.nz)`
`10:41.02`	`berarma`	`Shrat: be sure to check the see also section in case you still don't find it there, and if you don't find a solution maybe you find a better question :)`
`10:41.31`	`*** join/#debian hydra (~meh@41.62-99-102.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es)`
`10:41.59`	`*** join/#debian nardev (~nardev@2001:41b8:203:dc11:21c:bfff:fe25:2841)`
`10:43.23`	`*** join/#debian florian_ (~irchon@dslb-088-077-191-030.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`10:43.29`	`lancelot_of`	`and the previous errors are like this one (sample) : rsync: recv_generator: failed to stat "/media/6C833E341B41B129/multimedia/sergio cammariere/Cantautore piccolino/12 - Nessuna è come te.mp3": Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character (84)`
`10:44.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1111] by debhelper`
`10:44.17`	`Bushmills`	`looks like a weird char in the file name`
`10:44.30`	`*** join/#debian ugly_duck (~ugly@124-197-49-111.callplus.net.nz)`
`10:45.39`	`lanze_so4`	`you got a space in there did you put it in quotes?`
`10:48.51`	`*** join/#debian florian_ (~irchon@dslb-088-077-191-030.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`10:50.23`	`Shrat`	`ok I guess it's just not possible as /etc/network/run/ifstate only reports the intended status of network interfaces. I think there is just no way for the system to figure out if the router has rebooted. I'll have to use something else. I think I'll have to go with the ugly solution of cron checking if the server can ping and restart /etc/init.d/networking if needed.`
`10:50.50`	`*** join/#debian cyMPak (dmitriy427@212.12.17.40)`
`10:51.07`	`*** join/#debian hardnrgg (~roycable@124-170-6-213.dyn.iinet.net.au)`
`10:51.34`	`Shrat`	`In fact, I understand why this isn't built-in debian. Routers should be left onâ¦ That's not my case`
`10:53.30`	`*** join/#debian f8l (~f8l@81.219.207.63)`
`10:55.05`	`*** join/#debian titacgs (~titacgs@2001:41b8:203:dc11:218:deff:fe0c:2c04)`
`10:56.57`	`*** join/#debian tcurtis (~tcurtis@76-10-164-136.dsl.teksavvy.com)`
`10:59.30`	`berarma`	`Shrat: that's what network-manager does, I don't know any equivalent`
`10:59.39`	`*** join/#debian ugly_duck (~ugly@124-197-49-111.callplus.net.nz)`
`11:00.11`	`*** join/#debian comsa (~comsa@CPE-58-164-236-205.lns4.wel.bigpond.net.au)`
`11:00.16`	`Shrat`	`I'm testing my cron solution.`
`11:01.32`	`berarma`	`Shrat: see ifplugd`
`11:01.52`	`Shrat`	`It's for ethernet`
`11:02.10`	`*** join/#debian rynx (~rynxy@142.167.204.91)`
`11:02.42`	`berarma`	`description says more`
`11:02.43`	`*** join/#debian dreadedone (~dreaded@adsl-070-145-120-039.sip.pns.bellsouth.net)`
`11:02.56`	`berarma`	`I haven't tried though`
`11:03.28`	`*** join/#debian omid8bimo (~Omid@unaffiliated/omid8bimo)`
`11:05.47`	`*** join/#debian dpkg (~dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)`
`11:06.15`	`*** join/#debian wittiko (~gm@86.59.30.110)`
`11:06.27`	`*** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217)`
`11:06.41`	`*** join/#debian zippy (~zuppy@xdsl-92-252-56-173.dip.osnanet.de)`
`11:07.15`	`*** join/#debian odor_ (~odor@cpe-24-26-234-227.satx.res.rr.com)`
`11:07.23`	`omid8bimo`	`hello, when i use lshw/dmidecode i see 4 RAM modules each 1GB, but when i use "free -m" i see total of 8GB of ram! anybody knows why?`
`11:08.00`	`*** join/#debian cornair (~cornair@pd95c90a6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`11:08.00`	`*** join/#debian Jackneill (~Jackneill@unaffiliated/jackneill)`
`11:09.06`	`*** join/#debian florian_ (~irchon@dslb-088-077-191-030.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`11:09.12`	`*** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8)`
`11:09.17`	`Shrat`	`bad dmi tableâ¦`
`11:09.32`	`*** join/#debian LordDoskias (~chichiman@guest-193-062-204-019.wtgc.org)`
`11:09.42`	`*** join/#debian LordDoskias (~chichiman@unaffiliated/lorddoskias)`
`11:09.45`	`*** join/#debian carandraug (~carandrau@sprr.library.nuigalway.ie)`
`11:09.45`	`LordDoskias`	`hello, command 2>&1 > some_file`
`11:09.53`	`LordDoskias`	`is that how you forward stderr and stdout to a file?`
`11:10.08`	`*** join/#debian GoonSquad (~Goonhost@60-242-60-228.static.tpgi.com.au)`
`11:10.18`	`rozie`	`omid8bimo: dmidecode \| egrep -i "ram\|mb"`
`11:10.18`	`*** join/#debian dArK_IcE (~lawl@a79-168-158-235.cpe.netcabo.pt)`
`11:10.23`	`rozie`	`and pastebin it`
`11:10.25`	`omid8bimo`	`which one is more accurate to rely on? "lshw"/"dmidecode --type 17" or "free -m"`
`11:10.34`	`omid8bimo`	`rozie: ok`
`11:10.42`	`*** join/#debian bolong7 (~bolong7@223.255.229.15)`
`11:11.03`	`rozie`	`omid8bimo: free -m displays what OS really can address`
`11:11.18`	`omid8bimo`	`rozie: http://paste.debian.net/124062/`
`11:11.22`	`rozie`	`so if it says 8GB, you have 8GB`
`11:11.25`	`*** join/#debian jaso (~jasmin@62.113.4.231)`
`11:11.55`	`berarma`	`LordDoskias: you should invert the order`
`11:12.01`	`*** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@unaffiliated/holborn)`
`11:12.09`	`berarma`	`LordDoskias: command >some_file 2>&1`
`11:12.33`	`LordDoskias`	`berarma, thanks, but why is that ?`
`11:12.42`	`cusco`	`hi folks`
`11:12.55`	`cusco`	`mailman users, how did you integrate mailman with exim?`
`11:12.56`	`*** join/#debian smeea (~smeea@89.163.26.137)`
`11:13.16`	`cusco`	it complains about needing to recompile with command line option `--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim'
`11:13.20`	`berarma`	`LordDoskias: the shell interpret its from left to right, your first attempt redirected error output to standard output, then standard output to a file, no aliasing`
`11:13.29`	`cusco`	`because the group running mailman should be daemon ...`
`11:13.41`	`cusco`	`the www's says its a packager mistake...`
`11:13.48`	`cusco`	`how do you folks cope with it?`
`11:13.50`	`omid8bimo`	`rozie: any idea?`
`11:13.59`	`*** join/#debian odor_ (~odor@cpe-24-26-234-227.satx.res.rr.com)`
`11:14.04`	`LordDoskias`	`berarma, exactly stderr to stdout and then "both" to the file`
`11:14.11`	`LordDoskias`	`or this is not what is actually happening`
`11:14.50`	`*** join/#debian acathur (~acathur@unaffiliated/acathur)`
`11:14.55`	`*** join/#debian SLot (~SLot@ns2.gruposim.com.br)`
`11:14.57`	`LordDoskias`	`or i can just that command &> file`
`11:14.59`	`LordDoskias`	`right?`
`11:15.17`	`*** join/#debian weedar (~vn@82.194.193.51)`
`11:15.19`	`*** join/#debian SLot (~SLot@unaffiliated/slot)`
`11:15.28`	`berarma`	`LordDoskias: it's not like that, there's no aliasing, so your 2nd redirection didn't change the first one`
`11:15.57`	`LordDoskias`	`berarma, mhm, i see`
`11:16.11`	`LordDoskias`	`but &> should work, right?`
`11:16.21`	`*** join/#debian rozie (~rozie@rozie-1-pt.tunnel.tserv11.ams1.ipv6.he.net)`
`11:16.28`	`Iridos`	`LordDoskias, 2> doesn't mean "redirect both" 2> means "redirect stderr" (if that was the problem)`
`11:16.28`	`*** join/#debian AndriLL (kvirc@46.181.106.153)`
`11:17.06`	`*** join/#debian weedar (~vn@82.194.193.51)`
`11:17.18`	`LordDoskias`	`Iridos, i want stderr AND stdout so my idea was redirect stderr to stdout the 2>&1 part and then redirect the stdout (which already is receiving stderr) to a file - > file`
`11:17.23`	`LordDoskias`	`but i think i get it now`
`11:17.27`	`*** join/#debian erufu (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`11:17.35`	`*** join/#debian Digdilem (~Digdilem@plague.digdilem.org)`
`11:17.48`	`Iridos`	`LordDoskias, he already told you one syntax that works`
`11:17.58`	`*** join/#debian florian_ (~irchon@dslb-088-077-191-030.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`11:18.00`	`*** join/#debian bst (~bst@net208-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs)`
`11:18.19`	`*** join/#debian JeJe (~JeJE@70.112.9.109.rev.sfr.net)`
`11:18.28`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@unaffiliated/black-prince/x-4865215)`
`11:18.31`	`*** join/#debian JPP (~2PTS_Jame@5adb0926.bb.sky.com)`
`11:19.08`	`Iridos`	`LordDoskias, if you want to read more on it, "man bash", search for Redirecting Standard Output and Standard Error (search with / )`
`11:19.23`	`LordDoskias`	`okay, will have a go at it`
`11:19.28`	`*** join/#debian Odaym (~ongoing@unaffiliated/odaym)`
`11:19.45`	`*** join/#debian MrCoffee (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout)`
`11:19.58`	`*** join/#debian aLgEBrA (~holger@p2-002.pptp.ggew-net.de)`
`11:20.15`	`*** part/#debian bst (~bst@net208-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs)`
`11:20.30`	`*** join/#debian bst (~bst@net208-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs)`
`11:22.05`	`*** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217)`
`11:22.19`	`Iridos`	`(and yes, you can just use &> or even >& not sure how portable that is to other shells, though)`
`11:22.41`	`*** join/#debian [SkG] (~SkG@101.153.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es)`
`11:22.41`	`*** join/#debian [SkG] (~SkG@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332)`
`11:22.43`	`*** join/#debian fims (~fims@141.45.198.58)`
`11:24.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1123] by debhelper`
`11:24.22`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`11:24.27`	`*** join/#debian Bop (~Vrooomm@188.125.209.39)`
`11:24.58`	`*** join/#debian kurkale6ka (~chatzilla@gatej.mh.bbc.co.uk)`
`11:26.24`	`*** join/#debian jaytaph_ (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217)`
`11:27.24`	`*** join/#debian MissionCritical (~MissionCr@unaffiliated/missioncritical)`
`11:30.04`	`*** join/#debian dschoepe (~dschoepe@unaffiliated/dschoepe)`
`11:30.27`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@adsl-76-199-5-252.dsl.chmpil.sbcglobal.net)`
`11:30.27`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@unaffiliated/linuxguy101)`
`11:31.02`	`*** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman)`
`11:31.16`	`*** join/#debian gr3 (~trey@cpe-70-113-12-24.austin.res.rr.com)`
`11:32.33`	`*** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.244.241)`
`11:33.38`	`*** join/#debian JeJe50 (~JeJE@70.112.9.109.rev.sfr.net)`
`11:33.50`	`*** join/#debian thiagoss (~thiagoss@189.81.41.59)`
`11:34.07`	`*** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib)`
`11:34.26`	`*** join/#debian StefandeVries (~Stefan@ip90-6-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl)`
`11:34.26`	`*** join/#debian StefandeVries (~Stefan@unaffiliated/stefandevries)`
`11:35.06`	`*** join/#debian DanC82 (~DanC82@188.29.195.181.threembb.co.uk)`
`11:35.14`	`*** part/#debian DanC82 (~DanC82@188.29.195.181.threembb.co.uk)`
`11:35.42`	`*** join/#debian german (~german@r186-48-23-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`11:35.54`	`*** join/#debian el_doggy (~x3User172@212.164.134.252)`
`11:36.36`	`*** join/#debian mandragor (~vn@2a02:2728:1:201:21f:3bff:fe79:b7d1)`
`11:36.36`	`*** join/#debian bolong7 (~bolong7@223.255.229.23)`
`11:37.18`	`*** join/#debian cattarhine (~catarrhin@mailserver.whidbeytel.com)`
`11:37.33`	`*** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib)`
`11:37.44`	`*** join/#debian sunfun (~sunfun@2-226-13-101.ip178.fastwebnet.it)`
`11:38.09`	`*** join/#debian ajikeshi_ (~ajikeshi@unaffiliated/ajikeshi)`
`11:38.13`	`*** join/#debian siya (~djerk@cust9-dsl91-135-5.idnet.net)`
`11:38.13`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-148-187-211.range86-148.btcentralplus.com)`
`11:38.53`	`*** join/#debian Daniel0108 (~Daniel010@unaffiliated/daniel0108)`
`11:38.54`	`Shrat`	`ok I need wpasupplicant. ifplugd is deprecated for wireless roaming.`
`11:39.06`	`*** join/#debian SoulSeller (ss@soulseller.debian.bg)`
`11:39.06`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@unaffiliated/linuxguy101)`
`11:39.06`	`*** join/#debian stew (~stew@freenode/staff-emeritus/stew)`
`11:39.17`	`*** join/#debian uestra (~lard@dslb-088-071-098-185.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`11:40.03`	`*** join/#debian Tiffon (~name@unaffiliated/tiff0n)`
`11:41.06`	`*** join/#debian battaglin (~batta@92.246.31.228)`
`11:41.46`	`*** join/#debian frankie (~frankie@lugbari/people/frankie)`
`11:42.58`	`*** join/#debian aknm (~aknm@unaffiliated/aknm)`
`11:43.07`	`*** join/#debian Metastaz (ov3rdu3@179.184.124.78.rev.sfr.net)`
`11:43.26`	`*** join/#debian K0JIbKA (~a3371_2@78.107.18.227)`
`11:43.39`	`*** join/#debian gordboy (~gordboy@unaffiliated/gordboy)`
`11:43.45`	`*** join/#debian isaac1024 (~isaac1024@95.60.222.77)`
`11:44.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1137] by debhelper`
`11:44.13`	`lwithers`	`with a fresh install of Squeeze using GNOME, is it possible to disable automatic mounting of removable disks?`
`11:44.17`	`K0JIbKA`	`Hi all!`
`11:46.40`	`*** join/#debian drixter (~drixter@fido.e-utp.net)`
`11:47.20`	`nsadmin`	`lwithers, originally debian (or any dist) had no automounters, so I'd say yes, it's possible`
`11:47.24`	`*** join/#debian zqwell (~kafergots@FL1-119-241-244-73.chb.mesh.ad.jp)`
`11:48.09`	`gordboy`	`lwithers: you can use gconf-editor and change the apps->nautilus->preferences->media_automount option`
`11:49.31`	`*** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@0209ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk)`
`11:49.42`	`*** join/#debian vooze (~vooze@unaffiliated/vooze)`
`11:50.00`	`*** join/#debian Guest02711 (~nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au)`
`11:50.23`	`lwithers`	`gordboy, that did it, thanks for your help`
`11:50.40`	`gordboy`	`np`
`11:51.17`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`11:51.18`	`abrotman`	`probably could have just removed himself from the plugdev group .. i think that still does that`
`11:51.28`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`11:51.40`	`*** join/#debian smeea (~smeea@89.163.26.137)`
`11:52.05`	`*** join/#debian lanze_so4 (~hed@clnet-p02-035.ikbnet.co.at)`
`11:52.07`	`gordboy`	`abrotman: yes i think that's right. but the gconf way doesn't need root`
`11:52.32`	`K0JIbKA`	`Using Debian Squeeze <amd64> installer updated laptop to dual boot machine. As soon as boot up process completed and OS booted for a first time screen remained black. During install completion few lines with 'nowau' or something showed up for a short time. The only way I could identify successful boot up was HDD light at the side of laptop as well as logon sound. So I realized boot up completed. To log off the system I used Ctrl+Alt+Del and confirmed it wit`
`11:53.26`	`*** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (~havoc@static-50-142-241-92.customer.blic.net)`
`11:54.31`	`lancelot_of`	`Bushmills, it's surely a problem of accented characters (àèìòù) but dunno how to solve`
`11:54.37`	`lancelot_of`	`lanze_so4, ^^`
`11:55.33`	`abrotman`	`K0JIbKA: black or text mode?`
`11:55.44`	`*** join/#debian anoob_ (c919d25b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.25.210.91)`
`11:56.23`	`K0JIbKA`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:56.23`	`*** join/#debian jaso (~jasmin@62.113.4.231)`
`11:56.28`	`berarma`	`K0JIbKA: you can access a terminal pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 when the screen is blank`
`11:56.32`	`abrotman`	`nvidia? ati?`
`11:56.35`	`*** join/#debian sameerthahir (~smartbhai@111.92.76.70)`
`11:56.57`	`anoob_`	`hi, i'm running kernel 3.0 and i cannot connect using my tp-link tlwn821n (usb)... it works fine with 2.6.39...`
`11:57.21`	`LordDoskias`	`i have a binary which i want to be able to use by default without using the exact path so i have added its directory to the $PATH variable and it is working fine if i'm executin git as a limited user`
`11:57.27`	`K0JIbKA`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:57.29`	`LordDoskias`	`but if i want to use it from sudo it cannot find it`
`11:57.41`	`berarma`	`K0JIbKA, abrotman: that "nowau" thing makes think about the nouveau driver`
`11:57.44`	`*** join/#debian Deadguy (~Deadguy@pdpc/supporter/active/deadguy)`
`11:58.09`	`aetas`	`LordDoskias, thats because sudo is running as a diff user`
`11:58.50`	`LordDoskias`	`well i have the setting of the path in /etc/profile.d/custom.sh`
`11:59.00`	`LordDoskias`	`so i think this should be a global setting`
`11:59.10`	`*** join/#debian acemi (~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi)`
`11:59.11`	`LordDoskias`	`ie, everyone would inherit this variable`
`11:59.24`	`K0JIbKA`	`berarma:exactly`
`11:59.33`	`aetas`	`no, not in that case, and if you don't believe me then sudo an echo $PATH`
`11:59.37`	`Bushmills`	`lancelot_of: mounting filesystems with nls for those chars could solve it. otherwise, un-funny file names when importing.`
`11:59.37`	`abrotman`	`LordDoskias: why didn't you just put it in /usr/local/bin/ ?`
`12:00.13`	`K0JIbKA`	`any way to use second option from GRUB <restore>?`
`12:00.44`	`LordDoskias`	`http://pastebin.com/TsjGiwbz`
`12:01.07`	`lancelot_of`	`Bushmills, how to mount both filesystems with nls?Could you give me the exact command?`
`12:01.13`	`LordDoskias`	`the file i want to use is in the /home/ec2-user/binaries directory`
`12:01.24`	`*** join/#debian mosno2 (~MOSNO@unaffiliated/mosno)`
`12:01.28`	`berarma`	`K0JIbKA: you should ctrl-alt-f1 to access the terminal when you see the black screen`
`12:01.43`	`Bushmills`	`lancelot_of: nope, i'd have to consult the man page myself`
`12:01.44`	`abrotman`	`LordDoskias: why didn't you just put it in /usr/local/bin/ ?`
`12:01.59`	`K0JIbKA`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:02.14`	`K0JIbKA`	`Will try as soon as reboot into Deb`
`12:02.17`	`*** join/#debian Guest47792 (~slackd00d@c-24-19-217-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`12:02.37`	`aetas`	`LordDoskias, he has a point. you made the point of wanting to run it from any user so putting it there should be just as valid as an environmental var`
`12:03.05`	`berarma`	`K0JIbKA: you should log in and pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.log.0`
`12:03.06`	`lancelot_of`	`Bushmills, man nls returns nothing and apt-cache search nls gives unuseful information`
`12:03.16`	`LordDoskias`	`right, gonna test now`
`12:03.29`	`aetas`	`sure, if you have probs give a yell`
`12:03.37`	`LordDoskias`	`i still do :(`
`12:03.47`	`berarma`	`K0JIbKA: removing the nouveau driver might give a usable desktop`
`12:03.50`	`LordDoskias`	`Can't exec "velveth": No such file or directory at /home/ec2-user/binaries/VelvetOptimiser-2.2.0/VelvetOpt/hwrap.pm line 193.`
`12:03.51`	`LordDoskias`	`Unable to find velveth, please ensure that the velvet executables are in your PATH.`
`12:03.55`	`LordDoskias`	`they are in the path :(`
`12:04.04`	`abrotman`	`LordDoskias: and 'which velveth' ?`
`12:04.17`	`LordDoskias`	`which velveth`
`12:04.17`	`LordDoskias`	`/usr/local/bin/velveth`
`12:04.23`	`K0JIbKA`	`berarma:Will do. Though it takes a lot of time to boot several OSes`
`12:04.31`	`abrotman`	`LordDoskias: what if you try to execute it directly from sudo ?`
`12:04.35`	`abrotman`	`(with the path)`
`12:04.46`	`aetas`	`LordDoskias, sudo which velveth`
`12:04.48`	`LordDoskias`	`sudo velveth`
`12:04.48`	`LordDoskias`	`sudo: velveth: command not found`
`12:04.58`	`LordDoskias`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:04.58`	`LordDoskias`	`which: no velveth in (/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)`
`12:05.00`	`aetas`	`its not in the other user's path`
`12:05.07`	`aetas`	`where'd you put it?`
`12:05.18`	`LordDoskias`	`/usr/local/bin as you told me`
`12:05.23`	`LordDoskias`	`but sudo doesn't look there apparently`
`12:05.38`	`abrotman`	`LordDoskias: i meant 'sudo velveth'`
`12:05.55`	`LordDoskias`	`command not found`
`12:05.59`	`th0r`	`LordDoskias: if you read the error you pasted, the script isn't looking for velveth in /usr/local/bin`
`12:06.18`	`LordDoskias`	`th0r, yeah i noticed that but the quesiton is why`
`12:06.29`	`K0JIbKA`	`berarma:Not sure about which driver is installed though. Might be not nouveau`
`12:06.31`	`aetas`	`so if you ls /usr/local/bin/velveth you get a response?`
`12:06.32`	`th0r`	`LordDoskias: because it isn't installed properly`
`12:06.45`	`lancelot_of`	`how to mount external device filesystems with nls, as Bushmills suggested?I should mount a SSD partition in reiser and an external HD also in reiser`
`12:06.46`	`abrotman`	`th0r: he said it works as a normal user`
`12:06.59`	`th0r`	`abrotman: right, read the error`
`12:07.08`	`*** join/#debian zorg1 (~zorg1@peniche.pck.nerim.net)`
`12:07.09`	`*** join/#debian Dev0n (~Dev0n@host-92-28-161-2.as13285.net)`
`12:07.09`	`Kharec`	`Iceweasel sucks memory..`
`12:07.22`	`nsadmin`	`and other things`
`12:07.29`	`abrotman`	`th0r: i did .. i'm just regurgitating what he said .. not evaluating his problem solving skills :)`
`12:07.31`	`*** join/#debian pew-pew (~pew-pew@pool-98-109-68-102.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)`
`12:07.37`	`LordDoskias`	`aetas, yes i do`
`12:07.38`	`LordDoskias`	`the file is there`
`12:07.44`	`LordDoskias`	`sudo just doesn't look into /usr/local/bin`
`12:07.57`	`nsadmin`	`but in some ways it's useful even though these problems exist`
`12:07.59`	`aetas`	`yeah I don't think its executing that when it switches users, one sec`
`12:08.00`	`lancelot_of`	`sudo lsmod \|grep 'nls' returns : nls_base 12649 7 hfsplus,hfs,ntfs,vfat,fat,jfs,usbcore`
`12:08.10`	`LordDoskias`	`i mean i can just copy the files to /usr/bin`
`12:08.14`	`*** join/#debian NoOova (~NoOova@unaffiliated/nooova)`
`12:08.14`	`LordDoskias`	`which i guess would solve the problem`
`12:08.17`	`aetas`	`true`
`12:08.46`	`nsadmin`	`you should be careful with the dir /usr/bin`
`12:08.51`	`*** join/#debian lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah)`
`12:08.54`	`th0r`	`LordDoskias: that won't solve the problem. You would need to change line 193 in the wrapper script, and probably other lines as well.`
`12:09.05`	`aetas`	`LordDoskias, what happens if you sudo -E with it?`
`12:09.12`	`*** join/#debian frankie (~frankie@klecker.ba.issia.cnr.it)`
`12:09.16`	`nsadmin`	`because debian packaging thinks it owns that dir and might overwrite or be overwritten by that copy`
`12:09.16`	`LordDoskias`	`th0r, the script was working fine it's just that sudo is fucking up with things`
`12:09.18`	`*** join/#debian mandragor (~vn@82.194.193.51)`
`12:09.27`	`th0r`	`oh....attitude`
`12:09.44`	`abrotman`	`LordDoskias: what is line 193 of that script?`
`12:09.52`	`LordDoskias`	`hang on a minute, something came up`
`12:09.59`	`nsadmin`	`and debian is right, it does own it IF you desire debian to function ok`
`12:10.11`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.215.1.35)`
`12:10.20`	`aetas`	`try the command I gave ya, may work`
`12:10.38`	`NoOova`	`sorry i left`
`12:10.57`	`NoOova`	`how i could configure workers limit in mpm_ifk`
`12:11.14`	`LordDoskias`	`sudo -E velveth`
`12:11.14`	`LordDoskias`	`sudo: velveth: command not found`
`12:11.21`	`*** join/#debian weedar (~vn@82.194.193.51)`
`12:11.36`	`*** join/#debian mosno2 (~MOSNO@unaffiliated/mosno)`
`12:11.42`	`aetas`	`bleh`
`12:11.51`	`LordDoskias`	so here is line 193 $output = `velveth $cmdline`;
`12:11.59`	`LordDoskias`	`looking for velveth in the path`
`12:12.00`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@unaffiliated/black-prince/x-4865215)`
`12:12.04`	`*** join/#debian wimm (~wim@dslb-088-073-033-247.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`12:12.05`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-160-20-40.range86-160.btcentralplus.com)`
`12:12.21`	`*** join/#debian RoozbehOnline (~rosha@91.99.118.109)`
`12:12.52`	`LordDoskias`	`Note, however, that the actual PATH environment variable is not modified and is passed unchanged to the program that sudo executes.`
`12:13.00`	`LordDoskias`	`this is from man sudo`
`12:13.03`	`aetas`	`oh wait`
`12:13.05`	`aetas`	`sudo -i`
`12:13.07`	`aetas`	`do that one`
`12:13.22`	`LordDoskias`	`it worked now`
`12:13.24`	`LordDoskias`	`thanks`
`12:13.34`	`aetas`	`sweet, that got it?`
`12:13.36`	`*** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230)`
`12:13.41`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`12:13.49`	`LordDoskias`	`yeah, thanks a lot`
`12:14.19`	`aetas`	`np, it tells sudo that its an initial login cause apparently otherwise it doesn't change to the home directory and setup the environment`
`12:14.29`	`LordDoskias`	`yeah, just saw the man of it`
`12:14.32`	`LordDoskias`	`thanks a lot`
`12:14.38`	`*** join/#debian Ryushin (proxy@cl-412.phx-01.us.sixxs.net)`
`12:15.19`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@unaffiliated/linuxguy101)`
`12:15.40`	`*** join/#debian stew (~stew@freenode/staff-emeritus/stew)`
`12:15.40`	`*** join/#debian Guest47792 (~slackd00d@c-24-19-217-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`12:15.44`	`*** part/#debian Kharec (~Kharec@84.6.4.15)`
`12:15.51`	`*** join/#debian Kharec (~Kharec@84.6.4.15)`
`12:16.15`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`12:16.17`	`berarma`	`mine works without "-i"`
`12:16.20`	`*** join/#debian ytrewq (eart0186@raven.linux.ox.ac.uk)`
`12:16.51`	`aetas`	`it works for him, dont take that happiness away from him`
`12:17.10`	`*** join/#debian Guest56867 (ss@soulseller.debian.bg)`
`12:17.37`	`*** join/#debian K0JIbKA (~a3371_2@78.107.18.227)`
`12:17.38`	`*** join/#debian jaso (~jasmin@62.113.4.231)`
`12:17.50`	`*** join/#debian kjs (~kjs@fedora/kjs)`
`12:18.24`	`gordboy`	`i can feel some channel members going pale at the very mention of sudo`
`12:18.26`	`*** join/#debian dandersson (~daniel@d-f05.rot.sgsnet.se)`
`12:18.51`	`*** join/#debian acicula (~nobody@unaffiliated/acicula)`
`12:19.04`	`aetas`	`people in this IRC channel were pale to begin with ;)`
`12:19.11`	`*** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632)`
`12:19.15`	`*** join/#debian daemonkeeper (~Arno@unaffiliated/metalfoo)`
`12:19.28`	`K0JIbKA`	`abrotman:berarma: ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work out. seems like display driver isn't recognized. No video settings present`
`12:19.31`	`berarma`	`aetas: I don't, but I want him to know it's just him :)`
`12:19.54`	`*** join/#debian allorder (~allorder@unaffiliated/allorder)`
`12:19.59`	`aetas`	`I've had the problem before but I usually just hard coded the path or something. Never really spent any effort investigating it before`
`12:20.11`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`12:20.39`	`*** join/#debian bars0 (~Name@117-4.echostar.pl)`
`12:20.42`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`12:20.43`	`berarma`	`K0JIbKA: have tried starting single user (recovery mode)?`
`12:21.30`	`K0JIbKA`	`berarma:not yet`
`12:21.32`	`*** join/#debian zwall (~zwall@unaffiliated/ywall)`
`12:21.49`	`nsadmin`	`not meaning to cause unhappiness or anything... and, I'll just point out that there are times when spending a little effort to nail down how to do something and -know- the implications of doing it that way`
`12:21.56`	`K0JIbKA`	`do you mean another option in GRUB?`
`12:22.09`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-160-18-192.range86-160.btcentralplus.com)`
`12:22.10`	`K0JIbKA`	`The one with Restore mark?`
`12:22.16`	`lancelot_of`	`how to mount external device filesystems with nls, as Bushmills suggested?I should mount a SSD partition in reiser and an external HD also in reiser`
`12:22.17`	`lancelot_of`	`sudo lsmod \|grep 'nls' returns : nls_base 12649 7 hfsplus,hfs,ntfs,vfat,fat,jfs,usbcore`
`12:22.52`	`nsadmin`	`I thought nls had to do with dos/win partitions`
`12:22.56`	`*** join/#debian rickbol (~rickbol@cpe-174-096-213-166.carolina.res.rr.com)`
`12:23.11`	`*** join/#debian weedar (~vn@82.194.193.51)`
`12:23.32`	`nsadmin`	`maybe someone noticed nls and somehow incorporated it into some of the filesystems`
`12:24.06`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1143] by debhelper`
`12:24.06`	`lancelot_of`	`dunno how to solve my problem`
`12:24.24`	`lancelot_of`	`or workaround it`
`12:24.25`	`K0JIbKA`	`berarma:once I tried it. But that time whole system was at USB Flash. Now it's at HDD. I'll give it a try now`
`12:25.01`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: so for that application I would try and use jumboframes for the server <=> app machine`
`12:25.23`	`K0JIbKA`	`berarma:do I need '/var/log/Xorg.log.0' only?`
`12:25.40`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: the overhead of framing on normal packets becomes significant at gigabit speeds`
`12:26.13`	`Bushmills`	`lancelot_of: you're not good with looking at man pages, i think. just a glimpse at rsync manpage shows that it can convert file names too:`
`12:26.15`	`Bushmills`	`--iconv=CONVERT_SPEC request charset conversion of filenames`
`12:26.30`	`*** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@187.5.222.253)`
`12:26.45`	`Bushmills`	`well, better ask half an hour without proper result on IRC than look 5 min at a man page`
`12:27.03`	`berarma`	`K0JIbKA: take a look at logs in general`
`12:28.22`	`*** join/#debian albech (~thomas@1508886244.seas-nve.dbnet.dk)`
`12:28.34`	`albech`	`hi guys.. I have configured sftp via ssh, but I get this error in my log files: fatal: 'bad ownership or modes for chroot directory' the directory is owned by root, so it should be possible`
`12:28.53`	`*** join/#debian Ex-Opesa (~Ex-Opesa@ner-as28353.alshamil.net.ae)`
`12:29.04`	`*** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@114.252.32.182)`
`12:29.04`	`*** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157)`
`12:29.09`	`*** join/#debian nukedclx (nukedclx@funtoo/user/nukedclx)`
`12:29.12`	`*** join/#debian Shrat (~michael@bus77-2-82-244-149-143.fbx.proxad.net)`
`12:29.15`	`nukedclx`	`hola`
`12:29.24`	`*** join/#debian mandragor (~vn@82.194.193.51)`
`12:29.29`	`aetas`	`it said bad ownership, it didnt say it didnt have enough permission`
`12:29.33`	`nukedclx`	`FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.38.2-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-32/modules.dep:`
`12:29.39`	`Shrat`	`ok wpa_supplicant did the trick`
`12:29.47`	`nukedclx`	when i do `startx`
`12:29.52`	`*** join/#debian treaki1 (~treaki@p5B0350EE.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`12:30.07`	`nukedclx`	`confused where are modules`
`12:30.16`	`Shrat`	`the manual is completely outdated on this topic`
`12:30.17`	`*** join/#debian vitplister (~mhm@ua-83-227-139-196.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`12:31.10`	*** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@95-89-216-156-dynip.superkabel.de)
`12:31.14`	*** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@unaffiliated/bn/x-6686386)
`12:31.19`	`gordboy`	`nukedclx: if you haven't got modules.dep you need to run depmod. man depmod`
`12:31.37`	`albech`	`aetas, how can i tell which ownership is required then?`
`12:31.48`	`*** join/#debian jovy (~jovy@cpe-098-024-087-149.carolina.res.rr.com)`
`12:31.55`	`*** join/#debian harovali (~harovali@r190-134-156-101.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`12:32.00`	`*** join/#debian jita (75cf9717@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.207.151.23)`
`12:32.07`	`aetas`	`albech, hold on`
`12:32.17`	`nukedclx`	`gordboy; thanks`
`12:32.28`	`albech`	`aetas, holding :D`
`12:32.38`	`jita`	`How do i stop the debian net installer from installing Virtual box related packages after the core installation is complete ?`
`12:32.57`	`aetas`	`albech, try changing it to the user you're running it as for the hell of it while I look`
`12:33.52`	`mosno2`	`jita, expert install perhaps`
`12:34.03`	`mosno2`	`jita, it prompted me`
`12:34.12`	`*** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@92.35.78.20)`
`12:34.29`	`aetas`	`albech, http://takahisa.info/2010/03/18/sftp-chroot-with-openssh-error-fatal-bad-ownership-or-modes-for-chroot-directory/`
`12:34.34`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-176-245-148.range86-176.btcentralplus.com)`
`12:35.11`	`jita`	`mosno2: i got error, grub-pc package failed to install in /target`
`12:35.17`	`albech`	`aetas, this is the part of my sshd where i configure the sftp: http://pastebin.com/hi5GBKEU`
`12:35.18`	`aetas`	`albech, my guess is that you have it group writable or something like that, that was what I meant about bad ownership and it not saying it didnt have enough permissions`
`12:35.43`	`albech`	`aetas, ok let me try to remove grp writable, which it has`
`12:35.45`	`*** join/#debian frankie (~frankie@klecker.ba.issia.cnr.it)`
`12:35.50`	`*** join/#debian asias_ (~asias@lifeatwarp10.com)`
`12:36.02`	`*** join/#debian frankie (~frankie@lugbari/people/frankie)`
`12:36.20`	`*** part/#debian BWMerlin (~BW~Merlin@CPE-60-226-105-114.qld.bigpond.net.au)`
`12:36.23`	`*** join/#debian crypted (~doobie@ip72-198-74-111.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`12:37.07`	`albech`	`aetas, that was it`
`12:37.13`	`aetas`	`works now?`
`12:37.22`	`albech`	`aetas, removed the grp write permissions and now it works.. thanks a ton`
`12:37.41`	`aetas`	`a lot of servers are specific about their permissions and won't run if you're giving them too much permission especially where security apps are concerned`
`12:37.52`	`jita`	`Is there any way to install debian on virtualbox without the grub loader ?`
`12:38.05`	`*** part/#debian lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah)`
`12:38.05`	`nevyn`	`debootstrap?`
`12:38.11`	`aetas`	`jita, whats your end goal?`
`12:38.36`	`jita`	`aetas: install minimal debian in virtualbox without the grub loader`
`12:39.15`	`aetas`	`jita, I would think because you're only installing one OS, that you wouldn't need one, but lemme see if I can dig up an answer`
`12:39.48`	`Lasers`	`Question. Is there a command that'll purge everything (but barebone installation)?`
`12:40.05`	`aetas`	`a reinstall`
`12:40.05`	`*** join/#debian GRMrGecko (~Adium@64.89.119.124)`
`12:40.25`	`jita`	`aetas: but the installer prompts me to install the grub loader saying that without one system will not be able to boot`
`12:41.50`	`aetas`	`jita, just because the installer doesn't have the option doesn't mean it isnt possible. you have to understand the installer is generalized for most people and most people want grub`
`12:42.17`	`aetas`	`jita, you're trying to do this for what...to save space?`
`12:42.17`	`jita`	`aetas: whats the wayout ?`
`12:42.31`	`jita`	`aetas: no, just because i wont be installing any other os`
`12:42.41`	`*** join/#debian geenna (~geenna@78.134.4.147)`
`12:42.58`	`aetas`	`if thats the case I would go ahead and install it simply for the features it gives you regardless`
`12:43.07`	`CruX\|`	`jita: why ?`
`12:43.31`	`CruX\|`	`jita: in bootloader you canhave multiple kernel versions, memtest, etc...`
`12:43.37`	`gordboy`	`Lasers: no. but you can install something else to start with`
`12:43.46`	`aetas`	`yeah especially for rescue...its just a great thing to have`
`12:43.54`	`jita`	`ok i will install one`
`12:44.01`	`*** join/#debian DammitJim (~me@99-75-56-77.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net)`
`12:44.11`	`CruX\|`	`jita: if grub timeout is annoying for you, set this timeout to zero`
`12:44.28`	`aetas`	`if your partition gets trashed it helps quite a bit and yeah like CruX said, just skip timeout`
`12:44.41`	`Lasers`	`gordboy: Cool. I'm using Debian on VM (on my Mac OSX). I wanted to find out if I copied VM -> VM. I just purge everything .. but yeah, I'll set up usernames and sudo and whatnot.`
`12:44.43`	`jita`	`Should i use generic drivers initram or customised for my system ?`
`12:44.56`	`gordboy`	`Lasers: get yourself a list of installed packages. ditch the stuff you don't want (with dpkg -P or whatever), run deborphan to lose the orphan cruft. done`
`12:44.58`	`*** join/#debian pharos (pharos@213.155.190.134)`
`12:45.01`	`CruX\|`	`customized are beter`
`12:45.02`	`aetas`	`I would just do generic since you are running a VM`
`12:45.15`	`CruX\|`	`but differrence is not big imho`
`12:45.32`	`aetas`	`if it was actual hardware then yeah I would def use customized`
`12:45.33`	`fishsponge_`	`nevyn, sorry for the delay, but been at lunch! thanks for your reply... how would I use jumboframes for the server <=> app machine traffic and still allow both of those machines onto the Internet through my really old Mbit router?`
`12:45.51`	`nevyn`	`use more interfaces.`
`12:45.52`	`jita`	`one more thing, which locale should i use ? I was never prompted for locale when i installed in normal mode`
`12:46.04`	`aetas`	`where do you live?`
`12:46.10`	`GRMrGecko`	`I am having a problem getting openswan to start at boot.`
`12:46.10`	`fishsponge_`	`ah... so I would have to buy another network card for my server and presumably buy a USB network card for my laptop?`
`12:46.24`	`nevyn`	`so you could do a couple of things.`
`12:46.30`	`GRMrGecko`	`it's set for dependency based boot`
`12:46.34`	`Lasers`	`gordboy: Is there a way for me to find out what packages are being used for barebone base? From there, I can determine what to keep and what not to keep.`
`12:46.39`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: doesn't the laptop have two interfaces?`
`12:46.45`	`*** join/#debian jaso (~jasmin@62.113.4.231)`
`12:46.50`	`nevyn`	`like a wired one and a wireless one?`
`12:46.52`	`jita`	`aetas: India. If i select India as country in normal install mode, does it mean that debian selects Indian locale for my settings or US one ?`
`12:46.56`	`fishsponge_`	`no... it's a Toshiba... i've never seen a toshiba laptop with two NICs`
`12:47.21`	`fishsponge_`	`in fact, i've never even seen a laptop with two interfaces (here in the UK, at least)`
`12:47.27`	`GRMrGecko`	`insserv?`
`12:47.49`	`*** part/#debian wimm (~wim@dslb-088-073-033-247.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`12:47.55`	`aetas`	`jita, I'm afraid I don't know that answer but if you're given the option to select it then choose India`
`12:48.14`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: wireless counts`
`12:48.14`	`*** join/#debian jillsmitt (~jillsmitt@84.240.194.0)`
`12:48.18`	`fishsponge_`	`nevyn, ohm, sorry... missed the other comment - yes it does have wireless`
`12:48.21`	`*** join/#debian fossala (~fossala@host-92-28-217-152.as13285.net)`
`12:48.29`	`*** join/#debian Selveste1 (~Selveste1@31.25.23.230)`
`12:48.40`	`fishsponge_`	`wireless is crap in my house though... OK for internet browsing, but crap for youtube etc...`
`12:48.43`	`nevyn`	`so wireless with normal frames wired with jumboframes.`
`12:49.06`	`gordboy`	`Lasers: "barebone base" is a matter of opinion. there is no definitive answer. choose your own system`
`12:49.25`	`fishsponge_`	`trouble is, both wired and wireless would have internet access, so presumably i'd have to tell Windows 7 which one of the two to use for Internet traffic... and i'd still need to buy another NIC for my server`
`12:49.46`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.215.1.35)`
`12:50.12`	`Lasers`	`gordboy: I get it. I'll rephrase. What's the Debian's definition of barebone installation? (The one where you install it for first time -- I want that list of dpkg -P)`
`12:50.13`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`12:50.20`	`gordboy`	`Lasers: but if you want a quick fix to make things smaller (if you need to), fire up synaptic and sort the installed packages by size, ditch them starting at the top. then deborphan (i think i mentioned this before) or a "filter" in synaptic to get rid of the orphaned cruft`
`12:50.39`	`*** join/#debian daniel-s (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`12:50.48`	`fishsponge_`	`nevyn, ^^`
`12:50.54`	`Lasers`	`gordboy: That can work. (Assuming I'm not on synaptic after it's gone).`
`12:51.13`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: in my thinking the wired interface would only be for storage traffic`
`12:51.32`	`nevyn`	`but there's lots of ways to attack this`
`12:51.36`	`*** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br)`
`12:51.41`	`fishsponge_`	`ah, ok... so it would not have a default route?`
`12:51.47`	`nevyn`	`nope`
`12:52.02`	`nevyn`	`unless you routed via the linux system`
`12:52.11`	`fishsponge_`	`ok, but if both interfaces have a default route, what is going to stop the Internet traffic going through the jumbo-framed wired link?`
`12:52.39`	`fishsponge_`	`hang on... my server is linux, my laptop is Windows 7. My router is a hardware router provided by my ISP with 4 RJ45 Mbit sockets in the back...`
`12:52.55`	`nevyn`	`right.`
`12:53.15`	`nevyn`	`but there's no reason you can't have more networks. but it gets a little complicated.`
`12:53.25`	`*** join/#debian Metastaz (ov3rdu3@104.37.112.78.rev.sfr.net)`
`12:53.58`	`fishsponge_`	`ah, ok... so different subnets basically... i could do that too. i'd still need an extra NIC for my server though. there's no getting around that.`
`12:54.00`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: I'd probably not bother..`
`12:54.07`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: not really`
`12:54.13`	`fishsponge_`	`i think it's all too complicated for the relatively small gain to be honest... i'll leave it all as it is!`
`12:54.27`	`fishsponge_`	`thanks for your help though!`
`12:54.34`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: the gain exists.`
`12:54.59`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: it reduces the framing overhead for large transfers significantly`
`12:55.10`	`*** join/#debian hardnrgg (~roycable@124-170-6-213.dyn.iinet.net.au)`
`12:55.11`	`nevyn`	`which reduces cpu usage on both ends as well`
`12:55.17`	`fishsponge_`	`the gain does exist, but if it becomes so fast on gigabit without jumbo frames that 90% of my wait time is CPU, for example, then making the network slightly faster isn't going to be worth it`
`12:55.19`	`*** join/#debian tartocode (52d8ad30@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.216.173.48)`
`12:55.33`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: framing takes cpu time`
`12:55.51`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: less effort framing means more for rendering`
`12:55.58`	`fishsponge_`	`indeed it does, but when i'm copying large files my server CPU is almost at zero and my laptop CPU is almost at zero, so i'm not going to gain much...`
`12:56.31`	`fishsponge_`	`most of my CPU time is spent playing back videos with edits in them, transitions etc.... everything from the video editing suite`
`12:56.37`	`fishsponge_`	`plus, it's very memory hungry`
`12:57.05`	`*** join/#debian K0JIbKA (~a3371_2@78.107.18.227)`
`12:57.10`	`*** join/#debian _jesse_ (~jesse@pool-74-111-186-76.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`12:57.16`	`*** part/#debian j0h (joh@euronbis.se)`
`12:57.21`	`fishsponge_`	`so if jumbo frames would give me twice the network speed I might investigate implementing it, but as it's moderatly complicated (compared to my simply subnet right now) and the gain's aren't that much, I don't think it'll be worth it`
`12:57.33`	`tartocode`	`hi, i'm trying to build mysql-connector-c-6.0.2 on debian, but cmake giving me this error : "The C++ compiler "/usr/bin/gcc" is not able to compile a simple test program."`
`12:57.45`	`abrotman`	`!b-e tartocode`
`12:57.45`	`dpkg`	`tartocode: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.`
`12:57.57`	`tartocode`	`but gcc/g++ and build-essentials are already installed`
`12:58.01`	`gordboy`	`tartocode: so have you installed all the packages for c++ compiling ?`
`12:58.07`	`tartocode`	`yeah`
`12:58.29`	`tartocode`	`gordboy> i've already work on some c++ code`
`12:58.43`	`nevyn`	`right so you drop the management overhead from 16% to 4% ish`
`12:58.59`	`*** join/#debian lanze_so4 (~hed@2001:41b8:203:dc11:a288:b4ff:fe14:5f3c)`
`12:59.22`	`gordboy`	`tartocode: either you are missing packages, or the thing you are trying to compile is configly broken`
`12:59.30`	`*** join/#debian aran (~aran@host106-156-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`13:00.02`	`gordboy`	`my solution is not to compile stuff, at all, ever, unless it is my own stuff`
`13:00.33`	`tartocode`	`Cmake say : Run Build Command:/usr/bin/make "cmTryCompileExec/fast"`
`13:00.46`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: did you install build-essential or not?`
`13:00.53`	`fishsponge_`	`nevyn, ok, so are you saying that with jumbo frames I drop the overhead from 16% to 4% ish.... if that's the case, I don't think it's going to make any difference for me. I know there are a lot of packets flowing around, but my server isn't a 500-disk NetApp, and my laptop runs very resource-hungry video editing software... i doubt i'll even come close to filling up a gigabit wire to be honest`
`13:01.23`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: ii build-essential 11.5`
`13:01.40`	`*** join/#debian robos (~robo@204.154.43.244)`
`13:01.50`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: and did you try to create/compile a simple C++ program ?`
`13:02.03`	`*** join/#debian wttht (~AndChat@46.36.6.152)`
`13:02.30`	`nevyn`	`fishsponge_: meh. there's data if you go looking.`
`13:02.58`	`fishsponge_`	`just found some... one guy for a 20% improvement... sounds nice, but not enough to warrant going to all the effort for me`
`13:03.01`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: it's working`
`13:03.06`	`fishsponge_`	`and that 20% was in MB/s`
`13:03.11`	`nevyn`	`mmm`
`13:03.52`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: so it's just the thing you're trying to compile ?`
`13:04.01`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: exactly`
`13:04.05`	`*** join/#debian danielgc (~danielgal@186.65.205.197)`
`13:04.14`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`13:04.25`	`tartocode`	`and i'm not familiar with cmake (im using make for my own projects)`
`13:04.37`	`*** join/#debian Brigo (~Brigo@139.182.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com)`
`13:04.56`	`*** join/#debian frostschutz (~frostschu@p4FFF780C.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`13:04.56`	`K0JIbKA`	`abrotman:it's me again. here is /var/log/Xorg.log.0 output http://pastebin.com/ucNjFE0J not all just what I found with errors. Had to retype all of this from scratch:)`
`13:05.39`	`abrotman`	`i doubt nouveau supports your card .. but i know very little about nvidia (thankfully)`
`13:05.40`	`K0JIbKA`	`Seems like problem with screen resolution only`
`13:06.13`	`*** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@184-227-57-83.pools.spcsdns.net)`
`13:06.15`	`aetas`	`dont slight nvidia`
`13:06.20`	`abrotman`	`i just did`
`13:06.24`	`abrotman`	`i'll do it again`
`13:06.24`	`aetas`	`take it back!`
`13:06.27`	`K0JIbKA`	`it starts as shell output. but blanks upon X uploading`
`13:06.41`	`gordboy`	`nouveau is untested hobbyware`
`13:06.41`	`aetas`	`Ill stuff your mouth with packets`
`13:06.46`	`abrotman`	`uhhuh`
`13:06.46`	`*** join/#debian petrov (~petrov@91.181.194.89)`
`13:07.02`	`abrotman`	`gordboy: maybe if Nvidia would actually participate in OSS ..`
`13:07.03`	`K0JIbKA`	`i can guess how to log on and then power off system. with no screen at all`
`13:07.09`	`nsadmin`	`packet mouth! naughty...`
`13:07.13`	`*** join/#debian MrFrood (happy@ukato.sdf.org)`
`13:07.18`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-160-19-205.range86-160.btcentralplus.com)`
`13:07.20`	`aetas`	`lol`
`13:07.23`	`gordboy`	`abrotman: i hear you. but at least their blob is usable`
`13:07.25`	`nvz`	`for some odd reason my system took an extra long time to login and when the panel finally showed with my system monitor applet the system load average was damn near 4`
`13:07.31`	`*** join/#debian petrov (~petrov@91.181.194.89)`
`13:07.35`	`abrotman`	`gordboy: i'll stick with people that care, thanks`
`13:07.40`	`aetas`	`I will admit they need to open up to opensource. Its taken them far too long for that`
`13:08.03`	`aetas`	`I just wouldnt really consider that ATI`
`13:08.05`	`gordboy`	`abrotman: i'll stick with working solutions. maybe one day we will occupy the same continent ... :)`
`13:08.11`	`abrotman`	`aetas: i didn't say ATI either`
`13:08.26`	`aetas`	`well unfortunately for gaming there are only 2 decent options`
`13:08.37`	`abrotman`	`i can play games on my laptop .. intel works just fine`
`13:08.46`	`K0JIbKA`	`is there any way to adjust video for X using 'Restore' mode from Installation DVD?`
`13:08.48`	`aetas`	`those intel hd shared memory cards?`
`13:08.51`	`abrotman`	`(it is a fairly new laptop .. only a year old)`
`13:09.06`	`abrotman`	`aetas: it's a laptop .. i think they're all shared at this point :)`
`13:09.32`	`aetas`	`abrotman, nah, they still have cards with their own memory but you have to shell out more because they're more expensive`
`13:09.56`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: http://pastebin.com/9jViCA7x`
`13:10.30`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: i wonder if it wants a newer compiler/linker`
`13:10.45`	`aetas`	`I just got a laptop off ebay thats going to be here today and if it doesn't have a hardware card in it (not sure yet), I will likely replace the system board to get one`
`13:10.54`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: the system is up to date`
`13:11.02`	`*** join/#debian crs (~crs@gentoo/user/crs)`
`13:11.06`	`*** join/#debian juji (~j@95.237.8.193)`
`13:11.08`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: that's not what i mean`
`13:11.12`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: you're on squeeze?`
`13:11.22`	`*** join/#debian ElDiabolo (~jo@46.115.21.19)`
`13:11.23`	`*** join/#debian acicula (~nobody@unaffiliated/acicula)`
`13:11.49`	`*** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@114.252.32.182)`
`13:11.49`	`*** join/#debian adam8157 (~adam@unaffiliated/adam8157)`
`13:12.43`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: yeah 6.0.2`
`13:12.50`	`wols_`	`aetas: don't you know what you buy _before_ you buy it?`
`13:13.07`	`*** join/#debian tech13 (~tech13@adsl-99-18-51-150.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net)`
`13:13.11`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: so i meant, it might need a newer version than squeeze has`
`13:13.36`	`aetas`	`wols_, not on the video card...it was only $280 for it although the laptop has only been out 4 months and has its warranty. I would've bought it in either case`
`13:13.57`	`*** join/#debian Anubisss (~anubisss@77.111.165.141)`
`13:14.17`	`aetas`	`wols_, core i3, 640gb, dvd writer, etc...with or without the video card it was quite a good deal`
`13:14.28`	`wols_`	`aran: what cpu?`
`13:15.01`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-160-19-121.range86-160.btcentralplus.com)`
`13:15.05`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: it's an headless production server, i don't think the mysql-connector-c need a newer version, im checking the online documentation`
`13:15.23`	`*** join/#debian ROSHA (~rosha@91.99.236.12)`
`13:16.10`	`aetas`	`Im assuming you were asking me, lemme go get all the info`
`13:16.44`	`*** join/#debian Ex-Opesa (~Ex-Opesa@92.99.221.207)`
`13:17.00`	`aetas`	`wols_, core i3 2.53ghz`
`13:17.20`	`aetas`	`wols_, closest I found to this was one of those crappy refurbished dell 620's they have on there`
`13:17.30`	`*** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br)`
`13:19.55`	`*** join/#debian caravel (~caravel@88.86.170.140)`
`13:20.07`	`*** join/#debian derchris^ (~derchris@78-86-128-162.zone2.bethere.co.uk)`
`13:20.10`	`*** join/#debian kassah (~textual@Warlock/Developer/Kassah)`
`13:20.43`	`*** join/#debian TestPate (~dominikbr@pD9ED2891.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`13:20.55`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: i'll try gcc 4.6.1`
`13:21.07`	`abrotman`	`oohh kayy .. what could go wrong`
`13:21.21`	`*** join/#debian malkomalko (~malkomalk@adfb4f22.cst.lightpath.net)`
`13:23.00`	`*** join/#debian nvz (~nvz@184-205-124-94.pools.spcsdns.net)`
`13:23.01`	`wols_`	`aetas: so if you have a ati or nvidia at all, you have a discrete one`
`13:23.09`	`*** join/#debian s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-135.wlms-broadband.com)`
`13:24.26`	`*** join/#debian DivineEntity (~entity@d24-141-151-241.home.cgocable.net)`
`13:24.50`	`*** join/#debian monk (~aknm@unaffiliated/aknm)`
`13:25.21`	`*** join/#debian r3r3 (~r3r3@178-83-191-194.dynamic.hispeed.ch)`
`13:26.33`	`*** part/#debian LordDoskias (~chichiman@unaffiliated/lorddoskias)`
`13:27.19`	`*** join/#debian ring0 (~ring0@unaffiliated/ring0)`
`13:27.30`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: gcc dependency take some time to resolve...`
`13:27.43`	`*** join/#debian lanze_so41 (~hed@2001:41b8:203:dc11:a288:b4ff:fe14:5f3c)`
`13:27.49`	`abrotman`	`i bet`
`13:28.37`	`*** join/#debian ksheurs (~sheursk@nyv-exweb.iac.com)`
`13:29.30`	`*** join/#debian uestra (~lard@dslb-088-071-098-185.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`13:29.58`	`*** join/#debian p0g0 (~pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0)`
`13:30.32`	`*** join/#debian verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu)`
`13:31.29`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`13:32.14`	`*** join/#debian arvind_khadri (~arvind@unaffiliated/arvind-khadri/x-2237230)`
`13:32.26`	`*** join/#debian gnufreex (~quassel@79-101-95-182.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs)`
`13:32.45`	`tartocode`	`abrotman: so much time wasted on compilation...`
`13:32.51`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`13:33.19`	`*** join/#debian aran (~aran@host106-156-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`13:33.32`	`nsadmin`	`wasted? well, I wouild assume you're compiling something because you want it`
`13:33.34`	`*** join/#debian newyork (~newyork@p4FFDDAA4.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`13:34.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1153] by debhelper`
`13:34.34`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-176-55-127.range86-176.btcentralplus.com)`
`13:34.54`	`abrotman`	`tartocode: it's not packaged in Debian at all ?`
`13:35.08`	`nsadmin`	`you're doing this on a production server? is every bit of its storage backed up?`
`13:35.24`	`*** join/#debian Sefid_Par (~Sefid_Par@80.191.119.195)`
`13:35.32`	`nsadmin`	`you need to do this on a separate machine`
`13:35.43`	`nsadmin`	`which you might call "staging"`
`13:36.05`	`*** join/#debian IceW (~old-times@unaffiliated/icew)`
`13:36.50`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`13:37.21`	`Sefid_Par`	`Is there anyway to find if a Debian installation DVD is fake?`
`13:37.38`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: not really, already had gcc, but i'm trying to resolve an issue with mysql-connector-c`
`13:37.39`	`*** join/#debian aucabarcas (~netexpert@190.0.33.78)`
`13:37.51`	`*** join/#debian mican (~con@117.192.102.231)`
`13:37.52`	`K0JIbKA`	`Sefid_Par:md5chksum`
`13:38.03`	`*** join/#debian zok (~derzok@unaffiliated/zok)`
`13:38.10`	`zok`	`I keep seeing this in my dmesg:`
`13:38.12`	`zok`	`IPv6 addrconf: prefix with wrong length 48`
`13:38.28`	`zok`	`Is this normal?`
`13:38.29`	`Sefid_Par`	`KOJIbKA, What is it?`
`13:38.51`	`nsadmin`	`tartocode, so this machine is a production server. is this time period scheduled maintainance?`
`13:39.06`	`*** join/#debian xreal (~mweber@mailgw.FB12.Uni-Dortmund.DE)`
`13:39.10`	`*** join/#debian arvind_k (~arvind@117.192.208.196)`
`13:39.10`	`K0JIbKA`	`Sefid_Par:it's a programm to check wether file had been changed during upload`
`13:39.19`	`xreal`	`How can I update my installation from Squeeze backport only?`
`13:39.21`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`13:39.25`	`xreal`	`eh no...`
`13:39.32`	`xreal`	`How can I update my installated files from Squeeze backport only?`
`13:39.38`	`*** join/#debian barf (~Dark_Shib@193.69.144.162)`
`13:39.41`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: no but the are only few services on it`
`13:39.42`	`barf`	`I have a node running ubuntu, can I debootstrap squeeze onto a memory stick using ubuntu?`
`13:40.06`	`nsadmin`	`if yes, great... if no, this is a situation to avoid for next time... backing up last-known-good operating system and data backups can help with this problem as well`
`13:40.11`	`tartocode`	`(sorry for my bad english, i'm french)`
`13:40.21`	`*** join/#debian Evixion (~Evixion@67.235.65.140)`
`13:40.35`	`nsadmin`	`I didn't realize that; I can understand you perfectly`
`13:40.39`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: it's my own server in fact`
`13:40.41`	`barf`	`I have a node running ubuntu, can I debootstrap squeeze( http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso ) onto a memory stick using ubuntu?`
`13:40.49`	`Sefid_Par`	`K0JIbKA, I do not have high speed internet, I need to buy it. Does it work without High speed internet?`
`13:40.56`	`barf`	`tartocode: Who cares, some of us can even read code from context...`
`13:40.58`	`nsadmin`	`oh, ok... so it's not serving like 10,000 people? :)`
`13:41.06`	*** join/#debian NuX`iL (~nuxil@bas1-montreal33-1176490305.dsl.bell.ca)
`13:41.21`	`*** join/#debian agney (~agney@201008187049.user.veloxzone.com.br)`
`13:41.21`	`*** join/#debian agney (~agney@debian/developer/agney)`
`13:41.22`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: not at all ! hundred would be nice for me :D`
`13:41.43`	`nsadmin`	`but it is serving 100 people?`
`13:42.19`	`K0JIbKA`	`Sefid_Par:in that case i think you have nothing to be afraid of. it's original anyway`
`13:42.21`	`*** join/#debian Evixion (~Evixion@67.235.65.140)`
`13:42.24`	`nsadmin`	`even 100, this isn't great but right now not avoidable`
`13:42.54`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: well now, i don't care 'cause it free services`
`13:42.56`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host109-149-14-182.range109-149.btcentralplus.com)`
`13:43.37`	`nsadmin`	`that's sort of ok then :)`
`13:44.03`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: yes, it can handle gcc building anyway`
`13:44.11`	`Sefid_Par`	`K0JIbKA: How do you say that? They may compile the source of debian on a DVD!`
`13:44.15`	`*** join/#debian davidisko (~davidisko@nat-88-212-37-51.antik.sk)`
`13:44.20`	`nsadmin`	`and, learn everything you can to avoid unscheduled downtime (if you do this you look like a pro)`
`13:44.29`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: htop isn't going mad`
`13:44.35`	`*** join/#debian frussif (~frussif@ip220-160-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl)`
`13:44.37`	`wols_`	`barf: yes`
`13:44.38`	`*** join/#debian markochello (~markochel@bzq-218-182-227.red.bezeqint.net)`
`13:44.41`	`*** join/#debian SoulSeller (ss@unaffiliated/soulseller)`
`13:44.51`	`wols_`	`!tell barf about debootstrap`
`13:45.04`	`nsadmin`	`hmm. I don't have a htop`
`13:45.06`	`K0JIbKA`	`Damn it! I saw so many Debian successful installations running ag YouTube. Same config. Mine is switching off display upon X boot up!`
`13:45.29`	`xreal`	`How can I update my installated files from Squeeze backport only?`
`13:45.41`	`nsadmin`	`K0JIbKA, one way: don't use X`
`13:46.10`	`*** join/#debian Myztik (~Myztik@85-170.anonymous.at.anonine.com)`
`13:46.26`	`tartocode`	`nsadmin: if you want the whole story, i'm working on some erp for a client, but qt-mysql-plugin compilation is running me mad, that's why i've tried to compile the mysql-connector`
`13:46.27`	`wols_`	`K0JIbKA: if you don't run X, do you get a picture then?`
`13:46.32`	`K0JIbKA`	`nsadmin:it doesn't show up shell either!`
`13:46.50`	`*** part/#debian xreal (~mweber@mailgw.FB12.Uni-Dortmund.DE)`
`13:46.50`	`wols_`	`K0JIbKA: disable KMS and framebuffer`
`13:46.52`	`K0JIbKA`	`wols_:no`
`13:47.20`	`K0JIbKA`	`there's no shell, no X, nothing`
`13:47.42`	`*** join/#debian nicoulaj (~nicoulaj@pas38-5-82-244-59-208.fbx.proxad.net)`
`13:47.50`	`K0JIbKA`	`i should guess which key to press to reboot. system is up and running!`
`13:48.14`	`tartocode`	`gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory fu...`
`13:48.23`	`K0JIbKA`	`wols_:how to do that?`
`13:48.32`	`wols_`	`nomodeset and nofb`
`13:48.50`	`K0JIbKA`	`what's that?`
`13:48.55`	`wols_`	`kernel parameters`
`13:49.13`	`K0JIbKA`	`is it done from shell?`
`13:49.23`	`wols_`	`it's done in grub`
`13:49.41`	`*** join/#debian kaluva (~daniel@dslb-188-105-114-223.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`13:49.44`	`wols_`	`and if you have the "quiet" option set too, remove it`
`13:49.54`	`K0JIbKA`	`wols_:could you give me full line, please?`
`13:49.56`	`nsadmin`	`that disables x?`
`13:50.20`	`kaluva`	`Hi. How can I tell rsync that all the files are local, never mind the colons in the filename?`
`13:50.21`	`wols_`	`there is no "Line". it's a kernel parameter you add`
`13:50.28`	`wols_`	`or remove in the "quiet" case`
`13:50.29`	`barf`	`wols_: Can I run the ubuntu debootstrap with squeeze as source? What is the baseinstall path to use as source for squeeze?`
`13:50.32`	`*** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@85-127-212-172.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at)`
`13:50.58`	`*** join/#debian fims (~fims@141.45.207.153)`
`13:51.24`	`*** join/#debian Miss_Anthropie (~blob@gssn-5f757234.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`13:51.28`	`wols_`	`barf: what is a "baseinstall path"?`
`13:51.38`	`*** join/#debian chipnt (~Chip@paris-18.progdev.fr)`
`13:51.40`	`wols_`	`barf: have you even looked at the urls dpkg gave you?`
`13:52.01`	`gordboy`	`ubuntu ?`
`13:52.24`	`barf`	`I would like to replace my current install of ubuntu with squeeze`
`13:52.32`	`wols_`	`gordboy: he runs ubuntu and wants to install debian somewhere via debootstrap`
`13:53.11`	`gordboy`	`wols_: i see`
`13:53.28`	`gordboy`	`kaluva: the colons in the filename spec is how it knows`
`13:53.48`	`nsadmin`	`barf, I think that you should back your system up before you do this`
`13:53.53`	`*** join/#debian fossala (~fossala@host-92-28-217-152.as13285.net)`
`13:53.57`	`*** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@92.35.74.129)`
`13:54.13`	`K0JIbKA`	`wols_:ok I got it. Seems like i have to remove 'quiet' and add 'nomodeset nofb' instead. Right?`
`13:54.16`	`barf`	`Most people would do that, I will not for this box`
`13:54.19`	`kaluva`	`gordboy: Do you mean to say rsync is stubborn?`
`13:54.29`	`barf`	`This box is for deployment`
`13:54.32`	`wols_`	`K0JIbKA: press "e" in grub over your desired boot option. then add a the nomodeset and nofb to the kernel line at the end and remove the quiet option if it's there. then boot it`
`13:54.41`	`wols_`	`K0JIbKA: yes you got it`
`13:54.48`	`barf`	`I have used ubuntu since 2006, but I made a decision to go back to debian`
`13:55.00`	`nsadmin`	`barf, ok, so just to make sure: it's ok if this box is completely erased?`
`13:55.01`	`ayambit`	`How do I send custom message to /var/log/syslog? Is ( echo FOO > /var/log/syslog ) correct way to do it?`
`13:55.09`	`barf`	`I used debian and debian PPC from 1999 - 2007`
`13:55.15`	`ayambit`	`Or should I talk to syslog server somehow?`
`13:55.15`	`K0JIbKA`	`wols_:logging off to check!`
`13:55.18`	`*** part/#debian K0JIbKA (~a3371_2@78.107.18.227)`
`13:55.18`	`*** join/#debian knielsen (~knielsen@0106ds1-hvi.0.fullrate.dk)`
`13:55.22`	`*** join/#debian sjs205 (~sjs205@host86-145-171-159.range86-145.btcentralplus.com)`
`13:55.28`	`kaluva`	`ayambit: Don't use echo, talk to syslog`
`13:55.32`	`barf`	`nsadmin: affirmative`
`13:55.38`	`wols_`	`K0JIbKA: it shoukd then show you lots of stuff while booting up and hopefuly error out when starting X. then you can troubleshoot X or maybe it even runs (tho not optimally)`
`13:55.57`	`wols_`	`ayambit: no`
`13:55.58`	`nsadmin`	`barf, ok, so that opens up a new choice`
`13:56.10`	`kaluva`	`ayambit: man 1 logger`
`13:56.16`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`13:56.39`	`barf`	`For most my work I only need base install + vim`
`13:56.48`	`barf`	`sshd`
`13:56.50`	`ayambit`	`Thanks.`
`13:56.59`	`barf`	`nsadmin: and that would be?`
`13:57.03`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`13:57.22`	`nsadmin`	`write a cd of a netinstall and boot that :)`
`13:57.41`	`barf`	`I donât like CDs`
`13:57.48`	`wols_`	`use a usb stick then :)`
`13:57.50`	`barf`	`I prefer ethernet`
`13:57.54`	`barf`	`Yes, stick I will use`
`13:58.04`	`nsadmin`	`sure, that too`
`13:58.10`	`barf`	`debootstrap to memory stick`
`13:58.30`	`barf`	`run from memorty stick, mkfs.ext3 on the internal HDD,`
`13:58.40`	`barf`	`debootstrap to newly formatted HDD`
`13:58.50`	`ayambit`	`kaluva: logger My godawfull news is enough as I understand. It goes to /val/log/messages`
`13:59.02`	`Sefid_Par`	`quit`
`13:59.06`	`wols_`	`why not simply skip that step, dd the netinst to memory stick and install? much easier than 2 times debootstrap`
`13:59.24`	`wols_`	`!rube goldberg install`
`13:59.24`	`dpkg`	`"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke."`
`13:59.42`	`knielsen`	`I installed debian testing. Now, when I hold the left Alt key pressed, the mouse does not move, instead it cycles through which window is on top at that point. It happens both with fvwm and in the gdm login screen, so I'm wondering if this is something in the X server?`
`14:00.00`	`*** join/#debian Lis (~Lis@business-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net)`
`14:00.19`	`*** join/#debian poisonbit (~poisonbit@83.173.180.250.dyn.user.ono.com)`
`14:00.41`	`knielsen`	`I'm a bit at a loss at where to start looking for this (I want Alt+mouse move to be available for configuration in my window manager), anyone has an idea of where to look?`
`14:00.45`	`*** join/#debian jita (3b5ebd0c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.94.189.12)`
`14:00.51`	`*** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (~havoc@static-50-142-241-92.customer.blic.net)`
`14:00.53`	`Lis`	`Hello everyone. How do I configure aptitude to download packages from the internet instead of reading them from the dvd?`
`14:01.07`	`jita`	`I have installed the debian system and openbox, kindly tell me how do i start openbox ?`
`14:01.14`	`wols_`	`!tell Lis about squeeze sources.list`
`14:01.47`	`wols_`	`Lis: and you need to remove or comment out the lines starting with #deb cdrom`
`14:01.50`	`zykotick9`	`Lis, i remove the CD/DVD entries from my sources.list file`
`14:01.54`	`wols_`	`jita: startx`
`14:01.56`	`Lis`	`ah thank you`
`14:02.07`	`*** part/#debian jaso (~jasmin@62.113.4.231)`
`14:02.16`	`nsadmin`	`then run aptitude update`
`14:02.16`	`wols_`	`jita: or you can install a displaymanager. xdm, slim or wdm might be good choices`
`14:02.18`	`*** join/#debian kurkale6ka (~chatzilla@gatej.thls.bbc.co.uk)`
`14:02.22`	`jita`	`wols_: do i need to install gdm or something? I have bare system, i have installed with the help of net install`
`14:02.33`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-145-41-22.range86-145.btcentralplus.com)`
`14:02.35`	`wols_`	`jita: you don't need to install a displaymanager but you can`
`14:02.36`	`jita`	`wols_: which one do you recommend ?`
`14:02.50`	`*** join/#debian asarch (~asarch@187.171.250.27)`
`14:02.57`	`*** join/#debian tensorpudding (~tensorpud@99.23.121.45)`
`14:03.00`	`wols_`	`jita: it's a matter of personal choice. the ones I don't recommend for you are gdm and kdm.too much baggage with them for you`
`14:03.00`	`zykotick9`	`jita, do you have a startx command? if not, install the xorg package first.`
`14:03.13`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:03.18`	`wols_`	`jita: as I said abve: have you tried "startx" already?`
`14:03.26`	`kaluva`	`ayambit: I guess you want to change the facility of your log message. See option -p`
`14:03.47`	`*** join/#debian grazymax (~grazymax@host181-133-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`14:03.58`	`jita`	`zykotick9: doesnt it get installed when i install openbox ?`
`14:04.07`	`*** join/#debian lanze_so4 (~hed@2001:41b8:203:dc11:a288:b4ff:fe14:5f3c)`
`14:04.08`	`zykotick9`	`jita, probably not`
`14:04.13`	`gordboy`	`have startx in your shell login startup. then you don't even need a dm`
`14:04.25`	`wols_`	`no. X isn't installed with openbox. and I _told_ you so yesterday or the day before. I told you to install xorg`
`14:04.39`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:04.44`	`*** join/#debian kishy (~kishy@76-10-180-129.dsl.teksavvy.com)`
`14:04.47`	`jita`	`wols_: i am sorry, i wasnt the one you told that`
`14:04.55`	`Lis`	`uhm if I want to install module-assistant it now tells me the package could not be found. I uncommented the other network resources.`
`14:05.19`	`nsadmin`	`then run aptitude update`
`14:05.24`	`Lis`	`i did`
`14:05.51`	`nsadmin`	`oh ok, so maybe you're missing one or more basic sources`
`14:06.16`	`Lis`	`and?`
`14:06.24`	`jita`	`is there any benefit of using aptitude to apt-get ?`
`14:06.32`	`*** join/#debian zwall (~zwall@unaffiliated/ywall)`
`14:06.33`	`wols_`	`jita: sorry, you're right. I told it to skilz`
`14:06.39`	`*** join/#debian Raphaelt (~Raphael@ret08-1-88-182-200-157.fbx.proxad.net)`
`14:06.39`	`nsadmin`	`it's better at resolving deps`
`14:06.39`	`Lis`	`:(`
`14:06.59`	`wols_`	`Lis: show us what's in your sources.list`
`14:07.09`	`*** join/#debian colo-work (~colo@86.59.8.78)`
`14:07.14`	`wols_`	`jita: /msg dpkg why aptitude /msg dpkg why not aptitude`
`14:07.26`	`jita`	`wols_: thanks`
`14:07.50`	`Lis`	`http://codepad.org/upav9WGo`
`14:08.04`	`Lis`	`ups`
`14:08.08`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host109-149-14-194.range109-149.btcentralplus.com)`
`14:08.09`	`Lis`	`that was the wrong text`
`14:08.10`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen_ (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`14:08.30`	`jita`	`wols_: what do you use ? aptitude ?`
`14:09.24`	`Lis`	`http://www.codepad.org/PwwkmFHi`
`14:10.37`	`wols_`	`Lis: add deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib`
`14:10.43`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:10.49`	`wols_`	`Lis: minus the "add" of coures`
`14:11.03`	`Lis`	`ah sounds reasoning, thank you`
`14:11.34`	`nsadmin`	`then run the update again after saving sources.list`
`14:11.53`	`nsadmin`	`and then you should see module-assistant`
`14:11.55`	`jita`	`What do guys here use ? aptitude or apt-get ???`
`14:11.55`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:12.03`	`Lis`	`wols_ what do you mean with "add of coures" ?`
`14:12.32`	`wols_`	`minus the word "add" of course`
`14:12.34`	`nsadmin`	`Lis: he means the line snould start with deb and shoulnd't include "add"`
`14:12.37`	`Lis`	`ah`
`14:12.47`	`gordboy`	`aptitude is really for sid, where you need to fix dependencies. a properly configured system from stable, should never need aptitude over apt-get. just my 5c worth`
`14:13.26`	`*** join/#debian c2pLaY (~yep@S01060026f3c71ae8.cg.shawcable.net)`
`14:13.26`	`*** join/#debian c2pLaY (~yep@unaffiliated/c2play)`
`14:13.57`	`*** join/#debian Hachya (~gvthornto@mail.jahall.com)`
`14:14.00`	`Lis`	`doesnt debian do loadbalancing or is it simply good to add the ftp.de.debian.org instead of the ftp.debian.org?`
`14:14.11`	`*** join/#debian ToastigesEtwas (~Toastiges@p5B2044A9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`14:14.18`	`nsadmin`	`well, if you're in .de, yes`
`14:14.23`	`*** join/#debian LouiseSec (redstick@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-ubixxzytvusflpmu)`
`14:14.25`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Hello`
`14:14.40`	`nsadmin`	`it's a machine closer to you`
`14:14.55`	`*** join/#debian thunderrd (~thunderrd@110.77.244.241)`
`14:15.46`	`*** join/#debian duxklr (~duxklr@wufis-pat6.nts.wustl.edu)`
`14:16.06`	`Lis`	`mh it should me automatically route to the nearest machine. Only if i live in ger does not necessarily mean that i download from the nearest machine...`
`14:16.28`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Sorry for that stupid question but when I still used Ubuntu 10.10 like a week ago, I had no problems playing games like Counter-Strike using Wine.`
`14:16.28`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Now I'm running Stable on this computer and installed Wine 1.3.1.5 from the Ubuntu repo.`
`14:16.31`	`*** join/#debian richo (~richo@boxand.lnk.telstra.net)`
`14:16.31`	`*** join/#debian richo (~richo@unaffiliated/richohealey)`
`14:16.34`	`nsadmin`	`there is "should" and there is "is" :)`
`14:16.35`	`Lis`	`aaah now it downloaded everything`
`14:16.53`	`Lis`	`ya i added .de everywhere...`
`14:17.04`	`*** join/#debian ring1 (~ring0@unaffiliated/ring0)`
`14:17.04`	`Lis`	`thank you again`
`14:17.06`	`nsadmin`	`should be faster for you then`
`14:17.07`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Also, I installed the official nVidia drivers for my 8600GT from the homepage but somehow... CS wont start :(`
`14:17.08`	`nsadmin`	`welcome`
`14:17.30`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Would anyone mind helping me?`
`14:17.42`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:18.43`	`*** join/#debian salvin (~salvin@unaffiliated/salvin)`
`14:19.21`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas is there a error message in the logs ?`
`14:19.28`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas does opengl work?`
`14:19.43`	`*** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@83.232.96.217)`
`14:20.14`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Lis: If you give me a minute, I could upload the console output to a paste bin`
`14:20.28`	`Lis`	`you have the whole day :D`
`14:20.35`	`zykotick9`	`ToastigesEtwas, installing apps from Ubuntu on Debian is generally not recommended.`
`14:20.41`	`fossala`	`If you don;t use crossover.`
`14:21.26`	`Lis`	`Oh if you really installed ubuntu packs on debian that will be the problem`
`14:21.28`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`zykotick9: Well I actually didn't wanted to do so either, but since I didn't wanted to stay with the old version 1.0.1, I had no other choice`
`14:21.44`	`fossala`	`Compile wine?`
`14:22.01`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio (~rodrigo@187.11.28.3)`
`14:22.15`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`fossala: I'm not that advanced in compiling stuff... is it difficult?`
`14:22.24`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas no`
`14:22.32`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`About that Wine version, I got it from this website: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/wine1.3`
`14:22.33`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas it should compile without errors for normal`
`14:22.35`	`zykotick9`	`ToastigesEtwas, even using the 3rd party Lamaresh repo would probably be better http://www.lamaresh.net/ might not be the same version as ubuntu`
`14:23.01`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`14:23.11`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:23.16`	`barf`	`how much space will squeeze use? when installed via bootstrap?`
`14:23.22`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`zykotick9: 1.1.35 doesn't sounds too old for me`
`14:23.31`	`barf`	`Is there just the base install performed?`
`14:23.33`	`zykotick9`	`ToastigesEtwas, that's "better" then using Ubuntu, not better then compiling`
`14:23.34`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Should give it a try`
`14:23.41`	`fossala`	`If errors do kick out find out what they mean, fix the problem/depency they try again. Rinse and repeat`
`14:24.02`	`*** join/#debian Hachya (~Hachya@mail.jahall.com)`
`14:24.19`	`nsadmin`	`barf, anywhere from a few hundred megs to multiple gigs depending on what you install`
`14:24.39`	`Lis`	`barf i did a clean install with emailserver/webserver/gnome/development environment and it uses 3.4GB`
`14:24.39`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host109-145-221-64.range109-145.btcentralplus.com)`
`14:24.54`	`barf`	`debootstrap squeeze /tmp/blah/`
`14:25.13`	`jita`	`Do i need to full xorg package, is there any minimalistic approach for openbox ?`
`14:25.20`	`barf`	`I will do apt-get install vim sshd after`
`14:27.13`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Lis: Well... before I'm trying the other repo zykotick9 just told me about, that's what Wine says when trying to start CS/CSCZ: http://pastebin.com/MKpWzcnX`
`14:27.35`	`*** join/#debian Coriolan (~Coriolan@ppp-32-18.26-151.libero.it)`
`14:27.40`	`*** join/#debian format_c (~format_c@2001:4dd0:fc0c:0:6e62:6dff:fe4a:e47d)`
`14:27.51`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Steam tries to start the game, it starts downloading stuff (probably updates) then exits`
`14:28.26`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio (~rodrigo@187.57.217.185)`
`14:28.37`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas looks like you have library dependency errors`
`14:28.40`	`*** join/#debian Urlaub (~daniel@dslb-092-072-130-075.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`14:28.46`	`zykotick9`	`ToastigesEtwas, you might want to ask in the #winehq channel`
`14:29.04`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas as someone said before using packages from different distributions is not recommended`
`14:29.11`	`gordboy`	`jita: just install xorg and be done with it. X is not minimalist. and never will be`
`14:29.26`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:29.54`	`pipeline`	`you could use Kdrive instead of Xorg, that would be minimalist :D`
`14:29.57`	`jita`	`I am having another problem now, root account is locked, i cannot shutdown -a now`
`14:30.01`	`pipeline`	`seriously though you want xorg`
`14:30.04`	`jita`	`how do i shutdown the machine ?`
`14:30.10`	`Urlaub`	Hi! I tried to use apt-get upgrade to update my system. But I've got problems with ldap. It throws the following error: slapcat: Symbol `ldap_int_global_options' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking Can Anyone help?
`14:30.34`	`wols_`	`!tell Urlaub about bat`
`14:30.37`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:30.46`	`wols_`	`jita: why is it locked?`
`14:30.52`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Now, as far as I'm aware of, it isn't so easy to install newer software on stable anyway`
`14:30.55`	`zykotick9`	`jita, why is root locked? are you sure you are using debian? or is it something "based" on debian?`
`14:31.13`	`*** join/#debian ymasory (~ymasory@128.91.39.26)`
`14:31.15`	`jita`	`i dont know i did the expert install and it asked me to lock the root`
`14:31.21`	`jita`	`and activate sudo`
`14:31.28`	`Urlaub`	`wols_, what do you mean?`
`14:31.28`	`jita`	`i though it was something like ubuntu`
`14:31.30`	`wols_`	`so what is the problem with sudo?`
`14:31.31`	`jita`	`so i did so`
`14:31.39`	`*** join/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`14:31.40`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: dpkg messaged you something. read it`
`14:31.40`	`jita`	`sudo cannot shutdown`
`14:31.48`	`wols_`	`!tell jita about errors`
`14:32.09`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas just download the source from winhq and ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install`
`14:32.22`	`zykotick9`	`jita, i didn't know that was an option. Good to know, thanks. Not that I'll ever use it, but still good to know.`
`14:33.00`	`Lis`	`ToastigesEtwas but reinstall packages with aptitude first since the mixing of packages could even broke more...`
`14:33.23`	`jita`	`wols_: i used sudo shutdown -a now, after INIT: sending process the term signal, it says root account is locked, starting shell`
`14:33.54`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Lis: Never used aptitude before :\| I always had apt-get in use`
`14:34.02`	`barf`	`165MB`
`14:34.15`	`*** join/#debian acemi (~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi)`
`14:34.17`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`I know... I'm a newb :<`
`14:34.21`	`*** join/#debian E-bola (~bola@188.120.76.228)`
`14:34.30`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`14:34.40`	`E-bola`	`I need to list all packages found on a specific mirror in my apt sources, is there any command that will return this?`
`14:34.54`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`14:34.57`	`Urlaub`	`wols_: http://paste.debian.net/124078/`
`14:34.59`	`abrotman`	`!tell E-bola about which mirror`
`14:35.03`	`abrotman`	`bleh`
`14:35.11`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`14:35.14`	`abrotman`	`E-bola: let me find it`
`14:35.25`	`abrotman`	`!tell E-bola about which repo`
`14:35.31`	`E-bola`	`im tryign to dig through the dpkg man page but its loooooon`
`14:35.34`	`*** join/#debian elgar (~elgar@38.106.144.30)`
`14:35.36`	`barf`	`Any benefit in running 3.0`
`14:35.39`	`barf`	`?`
`14:35.39`	`karlpinc_`	`ToastigesEtwas: Since you're new, see the <overview> factoid`
`14:35.40`	`wols_`	`jita: "shutdown now"`
`14:35.43`	`*** join/#debian e1z0_ (~null@84.32.72.198)`
`14:35.44`	`abrotman`	`barf: does your 2.6.x work fine?`
`14:35.44`	`karlpinc_`	`!tell ToastigesEtwas about overview`
`14:35.47`	`barf`	`kernel 3.0, i e?`
`14:36.01`	`barf`	`abrotman: Doing a clean install, there is no kernel there yet.`
`14:36.07`	`*** join/#debian Coriolan (~Coriolan@ppp-194-47.26-151.libero.it)`
`14:36.16`	`*** join/#debian atlas95 (~cyril@unaffilated/atlas95)`
`14:36.21`	`abrotman`	`barf: of which version of Debian ?`
`14:36.50`	`barf`	`squeeze`
`14:37.09`	`jita`	`wols_: thanks`
`14:37.28`	`abrotman`	`barf: there is no 3.x kernel in squeeze ..`
`14:37.41`	`*** part/#debian LouiseSec (redstick@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-ubixxzytvusflpmu)`
`14:37.59`	`*** join/#debian twois10 (~twois10@unaffiliated/twois10)`
`14:37.59`	`nsadmin`	`there's a 3.x kernel??`
`14:38.10`	`barf`	`But I find no real differences between 2.6.x and 3.x`
`14:38.10`	`tartocode`	`omg 3.x kernel ?`
`14:38.23`	`barf`	`Why did they skip 2.8?`
`14:38.24`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: install 2.4.11-1+lenny2 (with dpkg) and maybe also upgrade your sasl packages then try to upgrade slapd to squeeze again`
`14:38.55`	`nsadmin`	`no doubt... see kernel.org`
`14:39.05`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: ah, you are trying to upgrade from lenny to wheezy. that cannot work. you have to upgrade to squeeze first before you can upgrade to wheezy`
`14:39.26`	`nsadmin`	`it's only 3.0 so far`
`14:39.36`	`mns`	`barf: because Linus felt like it. :)`
`14:39.52`	`Urlaub`	`wols_, no I'm just want to update in lenny`
`14:40.03`	`abrotman`	`barf: then stick with the 2.6.x in squeeze`
`14:40.05`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: but you install packages from wheezy`
`14:40.12`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: and that cannot work`
`14:40.20`	`wols_`	`,versions slapd`
`14:40.21`	`judd`	`Package slapd on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.4.11-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.4.17-2.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.4.23-7.2; wheezy: 2.4.25-1+b1; sid: 2.4.25-1.1`
`14:40.29`	`Lis`	`why is aptitude install linux-source not working? doesnt it link to the actual kernel source?`
`14:40.29`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: see the version numbers?`
`14:40.30`	`*** join/#debian AgentC_ (~quassel@dyndsl-080-228-178-013.ewe-ip-backbone.de)`
`14:40.30`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`14:40.32`	`Urlaub`	`my sources list looks like that: http://paste.debian.net/124080/`
`14:40.36`	`*** join/#debian nardev (~nardev@static-8-143-241-92-p2mp.broadband.blic.net)`
`14:40.58`	`*** join/#debian daniel-s (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`14:41.00`	`*** join/#debian bolong7 (~bolong7@223.255.229.16)`
`14:41.06`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: and your paste says this: Preparing to replace slapd 2.4.11-1+lenny1 (using .../slapd_2.4.25-1.1_amd64.deb)`
`14:41.07`	`abrotman`	`cute ...`
`14:42.14`	`wols_`	`Urlaub: and your line 10 of sources.list has sid in there. you were stupid and installed some package or other from sid (therefore already breaking your debian most probably) and then you were even more stupid and didn't remove it after you installed that package and now you install ALL packages you download from sid`
`14:42.17`	`*** join/#debian nardev (~nardev@static-8-143-241-92-p2mp.broadband.blic.net)`
`14:42.35`	`*** join/#debian ia (~ia@89.169.161.244)`
`14:42.36`	`wols_`	`so in essence, you now run unstable`
`14:42.39`	`*** part/#debian cornelinux (~koelbel@dslb-188-107-065-153.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`14:42.48`	`*** join/#debian yogurt2ungue (~yogurt2un@host130.190-226-46.telecom.net.ar)`
`14:42.53`	`nsadmin`	`you're going to damage your system installing debian packages that were not meant for your system. you're far better off compiling yourself, and better than that by backporting`
`14:43.46`	`*** join/#debian ScottO_ (~scott@66.7.197.125)`
`14:43.52`	`Urlaub`	`hmm... can I repair it easily or will it be easier to set up a new system?`
`14:44.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1160] by debhelper`
`14:44.03`	`wols_`	`Lis: there is no package named "linux-source"`
`14:44.03`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`14:44.04`	`abrotman`	`depends how much you installed from sid`
`14:44.18`	`ScottO_`	`weird, i upgraded my vps to squeeze and now i get alloc errors everywhere`
`14:44.31`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: what are alloc errors?`
`14:44.41`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`14:44.44`	`ScottO_`	`terminate called after throwing an instance of 'St9bad_alloc'`
`14:44.49`	`ScottO_`	`what(): std::bad_alloc`
`14:44.59`	`ScottO_`	`seems it cannot allocate memory`
`14:45.08`	`*** join/#debian Okazaki-san (~Ota-kun@adsl-76-200-155-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)`
`14:45.16`	`*** join/#debian daniel-s_ (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`14:45.24`	`ScottO_`	`i have 512MB ram on this vps with no swap`
`14:45.39`	`Lis`	`wols_ well if I do a aptitude search linux it shows up just above the linux-source-2.6`
`14:46.16`	`Lis`	`wols_ well i better read the aptitude documentation thank you anyway`
`14:47.03`	`*** join/#debian aucabarcas (~netexpert@190.29.25.195)`
`14:47.21`	`ScottO_`	`Mem: 524288k total, 524188k used, 100k free, 0k buffers`
`14:47.36`	`*** join/#debian johskar (~johskar@130.79-160-244.customer.lyse.net)`
`14:48.03`	`*** join/#debian oznt (~Oz@adsl-99-141-61-111.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)`
`14:48.39`	`xyan`	`ScottO_: get some swap like that: dd if=/dev/zero of=/swap bs=512m count=1 ; mkswap /swap ; swapon /swap`
`14:48.46`	`*** join/#debian DimmuR (~DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur)`
`14:48.53`	`*** join/#debian SoldErX (~SoldErX@41.142.110.235)`
`14:48.59`	`ScottO_`	`i cant even do ps commands`
`14:49.01`	`ScottO_`	`Cannot find /proc/version - is /proc mounted?`
`14:49.06`	`*** join/#debian oznt (~Oz@adsl-99-141-61-111.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)`
`14:49.21`	`*** join/#debian Traumatizer (~jesse@ip503c6ac9.speed.planet.nl)`
`14:49.35`	`*** join/#debian daniel-s__ (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`14:49.52`	`ScottO_`	`xyan: not sure why they installed without any swap on a vps server`
`14:49.53`	`nsadmin`	`it's asking you a question`
`14:49.56`	`nsadmin`	`a good one`
`14:50.14`	`ScottO_`	`before the dist-upgrade everything was fine :P`
`14:50.19`	`xyan`	`ScottG: because you are the one who does the administration?`
`14:50.36`	`ScottO_`	`xyan: no, the hosting company did the OS install`
`14:50.57`	`*** join/#debian pAt_ (~pat@p549FB879.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`14:51.01`	`xyan`	`ScottG: and you did the upgrade and use that server?`
`14:51.10`	`ScottO_`	`ive always wondered why they start off with no swap on virtualized OS`
`14:51.16`	`wols_`	`,versions linux-source`
`14:51.17`	`judd`	`Package linux-source on i386 -- experimental: 3.0.0~rc5+38; sid: 3.0.0+39`
`14:51.35`	`*** join/#debian dr770 (~doron@212.76.123.83)`
`14:51.40`	`wols_`	`Lis: unless you run sid, then you don't have that package anywhere`
`14:51.47`	`ScottO_`	`xyan: yes i did the upgrade`
`14:52.18`	`*** join/#debian colo-work (~colo@86.59.8.78)`
`14:52.43`	`Lis`	`wols_ ah. Now I understand (sid is the unstable release). Also the package I needed is the linux-headers-generic`
`14:52.44`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: swap on a VPS "guest" is useless and in case of stuff like virtuozzo wouldn't work either`
`14:52.50`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`14:52.57`	`ScottO_`	`guest?`
`14:53.00`	`wols_`	`Lis: this is not ubuntu. there is no linux-headers-generic`
`14:53.19`	`barf`	`Are there any practical benefits of ext4 over ext3 at all?`
`14:53.20`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: a virtualized OS in a VPS`
`14:53.22`	`Lis`	`wols_ hm it installed it`
`14:53.34`	`wols_`	`Lis: uname -a please`
`14:53.53`	`*** join/#debian daniel-s__ (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`14:54.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1166] by debhelper`
`14:54.09`	`ScottO_`	`wols_: ah, so any idea why it hogs up the ram and leaves none avail?`
`14:54.20`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: ask "top". not me`
`14:54.32`	`Lis`	`wols_ jub whait 2 secs i need to reboot`
`14:54.37`	`wols_`	`but if proc isn't mounted, it's not a case of hogging ram`
`14:54.38`	`ScottO_`	`im looking, but theres nothing taking up near that much`
`14:54.55`	`ScottO_`	`why wouldnt proc be mounted, ive never had proc not be mounted :P`
`14:55.00`	`ScottO_`	`new error for me`
`14:55.05`	`wols_`	`first few lines of top tell you how much is used and how much isn't. so does free`
`14:55.07`	`*** join/#debian cygnus0111 (~janik@xdsl-83-150-84-65.nebulazone.fi)`
`14:55.11`	`*** join/#debian arnoldB (~arni@www1.bechtoldt-srv.com)`
`14:55.29`	`ScottO_`	`wols_: having 0 free all the time isnt nice`
`14:55.30`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: you do know that it's very easy to check what status /proc is in, right?`
`14:55.31`	`xyan`	`ScottO_: linux likes caching this and that and thats probably where your memory went`
`14:55.38`	`wols_`	`!free ram`
`14:55.38`	`dpkg`	`Unlike information, your computer's memory does not want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.`
`14:55.58`	`ScottO_`	`thats what i thought, but the alloc errors concerned me`
`14:56.06`	`*** join/#debian aran (~aran@host106-156-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`14:56.21`	`Lis`	`wols_ Linux vbdebian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 04:13:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux`
`14:56.38`	`*** join/#debian aran (~aran@host106-156-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`14:56.51`	`tartocode`	`wols_: so, when i wrote free(ptr); this is actually bad ? :p`
`14:56.59`	`*** join/#debian bosyak (5fbd3a46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.189.58.70)`
`14:57.12`	`wols_`	`tartocode: depends what's in ptr`
`14:57.21`	`*** join/#debian Innocentus (~Innocentu@p57A232B9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`14:57.32`	`wols_`	`Lis: then there is no package linux-headers-generic. nowhere`
`14:57.34`	`tartocode`	`wols_: for example ?`
`14:57.39`	`wols_`	`,versions linux-headers-generic`
`14:57.40`	`judd`	`Sorry, no package named 'linux-headers-generic' was found in i386.`
`14:57.46`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`14:58.13`	`*** join/#debian _daniel-s__ (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`14:58.14`	`ScottO_`	`proc is mounted`
`14:58.15`	`wols_`	`tartocode: looking at other people's memory allocations from IRC is not yet invented`
`14:58.15`	`nsadmin`	`and depends on whether you actually want to free that thing, and you've freed all the resources pointed to or otherwise referred to by the ram slab you're freeing`
`14:58.20`	`ScottO_`	`-bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory`
`14:58.33`	`ScottO_`	`i get that when trying to cat /proc/cpuinfo`
`14:58.55`	`optraz`	`what is the ati 3d driver now in squeeze?`
`14:59.28`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: run top, press "M". and maybe run "free \|tail -3 \|head -1"`
`14:59.34`	`wols_`	`optraz: radeon`
`14:59.51`	`ScottO_`	`lol now i cant even run top`
`15:00.01`	`Lis`	`wols_ http://codepad.org/VogbLrPs`
`15:00.16`	`ScottO_`	`every command i issue gives "-bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory"`
`15:00.17`	`optraz`	`wols_: how do i know if the 3d driver is loading?`
`15:00.19`	`*** join/#debian MUILTFN (~MLINTH@adsl-98-80-239-227.mcn.bellsouth.net)`
`15:00.24`	`wols_`	`Lis: do you see any "generic" there?`
`15:00.42`	`Traumatizer`	`Hello people, i have a problem i hope you can help me with. I'm trying to install Firefox on this debian machine. I know there is Iceweasel, but many plugins are not compatible with iceweasel sadly. Plugins that i need.`
`15:00.51`	`Lis`	`wols_ no but it installed it. aptitude install linux-headers-generic`
`15:00.56`	`Traumatizer`	`I tried to install firefox. But when i run it, firefox gives me an error`
`15:00.57`	`*** part/#debian aran (~aran@host106-156-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`15:00.57`	`Lis`	`wols_ no joke man`
`15:01.03`	`wols_`	`Lis:apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)`
`15:01.27`	`Traumatizer`	`I expected the error since mozilla's site told me about it already. I'm getting this error: ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`15:01.33`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`15:01.37`	`Lis`	`interresting command`
`15:01.39`	`Traumatizer`	`That is because apparently libstdc++ isn't installed`
`15:01.44`	`*** join/#debian sunfun_ (~sunfun@2-226-13-101.ip178.fastwebnet.it)`
`15:01.49`	`wols_`	`Traumatizer: you are wrong. the only difference between iceweasel and firefox are a few trademarked pictures. they are compatible`
`15:01.53`	`Traumatizer`	`But i did run: apt-get install libstdc6++`
`15:02.05`	`Traumatizer`	`and i did run apt-get install libstdc5++ as well`
`15:02.10`	`*** join/#debian asias_ (~asias@lifeatwarp10.com)`
`15:02.12`	`*** join/#debian micks_ (~you@213.255.98.66)`
`15:02.29`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-148-191-116.range86-148.btcentralplus.com)`
`15:02.31`	`*** join/#debian daniel-s (~daniel-s@r180-216-127-43.cpe.vividwireless.net.au)`
`15:02.46`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`15:02.55`	`xyan`	`Traumatizer: you have to run ./firefox not the firefox-bin thing... its a wrapper setting up library paths and everything else`
`15:02.57`	`gordboy`	`Traumatizer: you could always install iceweasel from the repos instead`
`15:03.06`	`mns`	`I have not run into any plugin ever that does not work with iceweasel ....`
`15:03.19`	`Traumatizer`	`xyan the command i executed was. ./firefox`
`15:03.22`	`wols_`	`Traumatizer: or frm mozilla.debian.net if you want 5.0 (or aurora)`
`15:03.24`	`Traumatizer`	`Still it came up with that error`
`15:03.42`	`wols_`	`Traumatizer: can you tell us which plugin doesn't work in iceweasel?`
`15:03.45`	`Traumatizer`	`Yes`
`15:03.45`	`*** join/#debian kishy (~kishy@69-196-180-204.dsl.teksavvy.com)`
`15:03.48`	`Traumatizer`	`i can`
`15:03.50`	`Traumatizer`	`Firebug`
`15:03.58`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`15:04.00`	`Traumatizer`	`I downloaded the XPI file`
`15:04.06`	`Traumatizer`	`Opened it in Iceweasel`
`15:04.07`	`gordboy`	`installing bits here and bits there is a nonsense. either install from repo, or package external stuff yourself into debs`
`15:04.15`	`xyan`	`Traumatizer: are you running 64bit maybe?`
`15:04.18`	`Traumatizer`	`Yes`
`15:04.33`	`*** join/#debian luxor (~quassel@91.178.90.92)`
`15:04.33`	`xyan`	`Traumatizer: copy libstdc++.so.6 to /usr/lib32`
`15:04.43`	`bosyak`	`I'm also would like to install Firefox with firefox tradamak picture :)`
`15:04.52`	`wols_`	`xyan: and how does this work? a 64bit lib in /usr/lib/32 ?`
`15:04.52`	`*** join/#debian phorce1 (~gvl2@adsl-99-152-171-49.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net)`
`15:04.52`	`*** join/#debian phorce1 (~gvl2@pdpc/supporter/active/phorce1)`
`15:04.54`	`xyan`	`Traumatizer: check with ldd firefox-bin if its found`
`15:04.58`	`*** join/#debian Xizor (~Xizor@aqu33-7-78-232-32-5.fbx.proxad.net)`
`15:05.05`	`xyan`	`wols_: firefox has no 64bit build`
`15:05.19`	`Traumatizer`	`Alright xyan let me try`
`15:05.20`	`wols_`	`xyan: but the libstdc++ he installed most likely is 64bit`
`15:05.45`	`wols_`	`Traumatizer: I suggest you check if it's a 32bit ELF before you copy`
`15:05.51`	`fleischergesell`	`xyan: They do, just not from stable branch`
`15:05.53`	`nevyn`	`booya!`
`15:06.00`	`xyan`	`wols_: ughs yeah sorry`
`15:06.08`	`*** join/#debian agney (~agney@debian/developer/agney)`
`15:06.23`	`wols_`	`ia32libs should have a libstdc++, no?`
`15:06.41`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`15:06.42`	`xyan`	`wols_: apt-file doesnt tell me`
`15:06.54`	`xyan`	`wols_: i have it installed but i dont remember from where it came`
`15:07.15`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`15:07.21`	`wols_`	`it does. lib32stdc++6 is one of its dependencies`
`15:09.01`	`mark76`	`Where's the morespacefun wallpaper kept?`
`15:09.27`	`optraz`	`wols_: any idea how to setup ati radeon driver with 3d capable?`
`15:09.29`	`ScottO_`	`512 RMa should be mor than enough to run apache and postfix, why am i getting memory allocation errors?`
`15:09.35`	`*** join/#debian ElDiabolo (~jo@46.115.23.119)`
`15:09.45`	`*** join/#debian err404 (~err404@mna75-11-88-161-199-178.fbx.proxad.net)`
`15:09.50`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-148-250-197.range86-148.btcentralplus.com)`
`15:10.03`	`xyan`	`Traumatizer: so ok get the ia32libs package and you should be fine`
`15:10.18`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: cause there is a runaway process with a leak. I blame php`
`15:10.27`	`ScottO_`	`wols_: great...`
`15:10.39`	`ScottO_`	`ill look into it`
`15:10.41`	`*** join/#debian EyesIsMine\|iPod (~EyesIsMin@unaffiliated/eyesismine)`
`15:11.05`	`*** join/#debian grok0 (~o~o@unaffiliated/o-/x-1234567)`
`15:11.05`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: the OOM should have striked long ago tho`
`15:11.06`	`*** join/#debian SoulSeller (ss@unaffiliated/soulseller)`
`15:11.09`	`Traumatizer`	`xyan it worked`
`15:11.11`	`Traumatizer`	`thanks :)`
`15:11.12`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`15:11.22`	`ScottO_`	`wols_: OOM?`
`15:12.15`	`ScottO_`	`wols_: there is a process thats run by cron thats php, its probably the problem`
`15:12.29`	`Lis`	`uhm removing apache2.2-bin will remove gnome?!? are you serious?`
`15:12.30`	`*** join/#debian kkulhavy (~kkulhavy@zux006-048-229.adsl.green.ch)`
`15:12.39`	`*** join/#debian jahil1 (~mohsin@94.203.101.202)`
`15:12.52`	`*** join/#debian Dossy (dossy@mail.panoptic.com)`
`15:13.03`	`wols_`	`Lis: gnome is only a meta-package`
`15:13.21`	`Lis`	`wols_ so I can just hit Y here?`
`15:13.22`	`wols_`	`ScottO_: OOM killer. Out Of Memory killer`
`15:13.33`	`ScottO_`	`wols_: disk transactions are going crazy and the Disk IO rate is going crazy too`
`15:13.41`	`wols_`	`Lis: if it' sonly gnome, yes. if it's all kinds of gnome packages, then no :)`
`15:13.44`	`ScottO_`	`im looking at the rrdtool graphs`
`15:13.46`	`*** join/#debian luminoso (~lumos@av1-84-91-22-6.netvisao.pt)`
`15:13.51`	`oznt`	`hi everyone, can someone help me resolve bridged networking with a windows guest ?`
`15:13.59`	`*** join/#debian gNewPower (~gNewPower@74.242.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com)`
`15:13.59`	`*** join/#debian gNewPower (~gNewPower@fsf/member/gNewPower)`
`15:14.06`	`*** join/#debian Dossy (dossy@aolserver/dossy)`
`15:14.06`	`ScottO_`	`but memory is only at 90`
`15:14.22`	`Lis`	`Wols_ http://codepad.org/hdjIaKFS`
`15:14.23`	`*** join/#debian dualboot (~seggers@2002:579e:bb5:0:20c:29ff:fe9a:9b32)`
`15:14.38`	`*** join/#debian smog (~smog@funsnap.com)`
`15:15.14`	`fossala`	`Anyone here use triple monitor (with tilling wm?) Is there much benifit over 2? I have just been offered a 3rd monitor identical to my other 2 cheap.`
`15:15.30`	`*** part/#debian gNewPower (~gNewPower@fsf/member/gNewPower)`
`15:15.44`	`ScottO_`	`fossala: i have 4`
`15:17.28`	`wols_`	`Lis: thoes are ok. but why they are depending on apache, I have no clue :)`
`15:17.35`	`*** join/#debian CannedCorn (~CannedCor@207.239.107.3)`
`15:17.58`	`wols_`	`Lis: some sort of webdav thing it seems in gnome`
`15:18.34`	`Lis`	`wols_ mh i just let it there.`
`15:19.13`	`zykotick9`	`I use a physical dual-boot (multi-boot really) setup with Debian installed on each partition. I love being able to boot the other installs using KVM, but am running into an annoyance. udev renaming eth0 to eth1 inside KVM. Before I start altering udev rules (MAC addresses my initial research indicates), I have a question. I primarilty want to physically boot these systems, as well as running them in KVM. Will I simply be swapping the eth renaming`
`15:19.13`	`zykotick9`	`issue from KVM to the physical installs? I assume so. I prefer, the current, physical machine using eth0 and kvm getting eth1, IF they are going to be reversed. Is it worth while for me to proceed?`
`15:19.54`	`*** join/#debian lollo64it (~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it)`
`15:21.44`	`*** join/#debian coolmadmax (~cool_code@client-203-166-108-62.net2000.com.au)`
`15:21.58`	`*** join/#debian berarma (~bernat@85.52.167.11)`
`15:22.00`	`*** join/#debian soojsd (~admin@202-78-153-113.cable.telstraclear.net)`
`15:22.15`	`*** part/#debian soojsd (~admin@202-78-153-113.cable.telstraclear.net)`
`15:22.47`	`*** join/#debian rhiebert (~rhiebert@24.104.139.205)`
`15:23.17`	`zykotick9`	`Actually... if I wanted the KVM to use DHCP (eth0 is setup as static), could I simply put a config line for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces? That would be easy, zykotick9 goes to test.`
`15:23.26`	`*** join/#debian gusnan (~gusnan@h14n1c1o269.bredband.skanova.com)`
`15:24.04`	`wols_`	`zykotick9: why not just add stanzas for eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces ?`
`15:24.19`	`wols_`	`damn lag`
`15:25.22`	`zykotick9`	`wols_, :) testing and working perfectly.`
`15:25.33`	`zykotick9`	`s/testing/tested/`
`15:25.34`	`*** join/#debian yareckon (~yareckon@p5DDBA4C1.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:25.34`	`*** join/#debian salvin (~salvin@unaffiliated/salvin)`
`15:26.10`	`*** join/#debian ricardopontes (~ricardo@201.82.176.142)`
`15:26.35`	`*** join/#debian nevyn (~nevyn@124-148-188-102.dyn.iinet.net.au)`
`15:27.11`	`*** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@92.35.100.234)`
`15:27.15`	`*** join/#debian salvin (~salvin@unaffiliated/salvin)`
`15:28.44`	`*** join/#debian zorg1 (~zorg1@artis2.probesys.com)`
`15:29.18`	`Odaym`	`isn't Debian a rolling release distro?`
`15:29.34`	`simonlnu`	`no. not yet, if ever.`
`15:29.34`	`stew`	`Odaym: it is not`
`15:29.36`	`Odaym`	`I mean there IS Lenny and Squeeze and now Wheezy, but the time apart between them is ..well a lot`
`15:29.45`	`Odaym`	`and in between there's always the experimental Debian`
`15:29.53`	`Odaym`	`can't it...to a stretch be called rolling release?`
`15:29.59`	`*** join/#debian asdf (~wtf@pessa.net)`
`15:30.03`	`*** join/#debian scoobertron (~tom@93.186.151.94)`
`15:30.10`	`simonlnu`	`there's testing and unstable "before" that`
`15:30.11`	`*** join/#debian ppradhan (~Adium@nagarkot.ddns.uark.edu)`
`15:30.22`	`simonlnu`	`no. they're not released.`
`15:30.32`	`gnarface`	`semantically its utterly different.`
`15:30.33`	`stew`	`Odaym: lots of people define rolling release differently. somepeople would define it in a way that includes testing, howveer we freeze testing for 6 or so months at a time before a release`
`15:30.38`	`gnarface`	`pratically its identical, if not superior`
`15:30.49`	`Odaym`	`who is we, stew?`
`15:30.55`	`stew`	`Odaym: debian`
`15:30.59`	`*** part/#debian ppradhan (~Adium@nagarkot.ddns.uark.edu)`
`15:31.09`	`Odaym`	`you are part of the development team?`
`15:31.12`	`gordboy`	`arch and gentoo are closer to pure rolling`
`15:31.12`	`stew`	`yes`
`15:31.25`	`Odaym`	`look at this post..`
`15:31.29`	`Odaym`	`"Be careful, though, just because a distro doesn't have "real" releases doesn't mean you will allways have stuff packaged in the repos just a few hours after it is released. Even in Arch, Gentoo or Debian Sid, you will sometimes have to wait weeks or even months before packages are made."`
`15:31.39`	`*** join/#debian kaluva (~daniel@dslb-188-105-114-223.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`15:31.47`	`Odaym`	`what is Debian Sid and why'd he mention it in there between the rolling release distros?`
`15:32.01`	`Odaym`	`Sid is what they call the experimental?`
`15:32.07`	`simonlnu`	`that doesn't evn make sense to me, sorry.`
`15:32.10`	`simonlnu`	`even*`
`15:32.14`	`Odaym`	`really`
`15:32.14`	`simonlnu`	`Odaym: no`
`15:32.14`	`stew`	`Odaym: sid is the codename for "unstable" which is where packages are first uploaded (in most cases)`
`15:32.15`	`gordboy`	`if you don't know sid, forget you ever heard the name. it is evil`
`15:32.20`	`*** join/#debian petrov (~petrov@91.181.139.41)`
`15:32.34`	`stew`	`Odaym: experimental is something different. its not a release, just a random incomplete collection of probably broken packages`
`15:32.40`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Excuse me for asking such dumb questions but what packages do I need to install on a x86_64 system to compile 32 bit software?`
`15:32.47`	`simonlnu`	`!sid`
`15:32.47`	`dpkg`	`sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.`
`15:33.31`	`stew`	`Odaym: unstable/sid is where we upload to, package migrate from unstable to testing. testing is where we stage a release, so before we release testing we freeze it in order to stabilize it`
`15:33.33`	`wols_`	`ToastigesEtwas: build-essential. -m32 as compilerswitch and you compile for 32bit. however, you also need the 32bit libraries`
`15:33.37`	`*** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@unaffiliated/holborn)`
`15:33.49`	`mark76`	`How do I find out what my mixer device is?`
`15:34.06`	`gordboy`	`mark76: in alsa it is "default"`
`15:34.13`	`simonlnu`	`that's getting to be less needed now with the multilib stuff coming in sid.`
`15:34.20`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`wols_: Now, the 32bit libs are called ia32 or something like this, aren't they?`
`15:34.34`	`mark76`	`Yeah I have it as default but none of the channels are showing`
`15:34.35`	`ToastigesEtwas`	`Cuz' I wanted to compile the current Wine version in stable`
`15:34.36`	`*** join/#debian sunfun (~sunfun@2-226-13-101.ip178.fastwebnet.it)`
`15:35.03`	`gordboy`	`mark76: showing where ? what do you want`
`15:35.42`	`Odaym`	`so when is Wheezy due, stew? The website doesn't mention anything besides talking about it in DebConf 11. And about Hurd, its current status right now is still unsupportive of most all modern devices..what about that?`
`15:36.32`	`stew`	`Odaym: we are currently planning to freeze it in june 2012. then we'll release it sometime later when it is ready. (read as: free of known RC bugs)`
`15:37.04`	`mark76`	`gordboy http://imagebin.org/164796`
`15:37.24`	`stew`	`Odaym: so maybe it will be out before 2013, maybe not`
`15:38.29`	`*** join/#debian diniwed (~gavron@ool-45702fe1.dyn.optonline.net)`
`15:40.04`	`*** join/#debian max_sharpe (~pirch@c-98-221-58-255.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`15:40.17`	`*** part/#debian ToastigesEtwas (~Toastiges@p5B2044A9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:40.49`	`*** join/#debian Kaede (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede)`
`15:41.17`	`*** join/#debian phreck (~phreck@static-108-38-62-98.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)`
`15:42.14`	`*** part/#debian bosyak (5fbd3a46@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.189.58.70)`
`15:43.22`	`gordboy`	`mark76: what am i looking at in that picture ? you are being just a tad vague`
`15:44.23`	`Lis`	`has someone setup samba on debian 6 yet?`
`15:44.50`	`mark76`	`It's the volume control app for ROX desktop`
`15:44.57`	`Lis`	`I just did the default installation and can not browse the files with the username and password from win7`
`15:45.10`	`mark76`	`It doesn't seem to work with the libraries supplied with Xfce`
`15:45.40`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`15:45.42`	`*** join/#debian Ergo^ (~ergo@hyp-p-107.pabianice.msk.pl)`
`15:46.00`	`*** join/#debian timahvo1 (~rogue@41.212.40.226)`
`15:46.25`	`*** join/#debian dzup (~dzup@unaffiliated/dzup)`
`15:48.20`	`*** join/#debian grandie (~thomas@p57ACD796.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:48.34`	`Lis`	`Do I need to use smbpasswd with the default samba installation?`
`15:49.29`	`*** join/#debian titacgs (~titacgs@2001:41b8:203:dc11:218:deff:fe0c:2c04)`
`15:49.35`	`*** join/#debian ghenry (~ghenry@ghenry.plus.com)`
`15:49.42`	`*** join/#debian ghenry (~ghenry@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/ghenry)`
`15:49.47`	`*** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem)`
`15:50.04`	`joltcan`	`Lis: Yes, I think so`
`15:51.04`	`Lis`	`mh smbpasswd -a did the trick`
`15:52.03`	`gordboy`	`mark76: does it talk alsa or oss or pulse or esd or arts or jack or what ?`
`15:52.12`	`*** join/#debian bjacob (~bjacob@corp.tor1.mozilla.com)`
`15:52.31`	`*** join/#debian poncha (~poncha@unaffiliated/poncha)`
`15:52.49`	`mark76`	`It needs alsa and python-alsaaudio. Both of which I have installed gordboy`
`15:52.54`	`gordboy`	`mark76: best to install stuff known to work, with known configure options, and decnt docu`
`15:53.11`	`*** join/#debian Monotoko (~monotoko@unaffiliated/monotoko)`
`15:53.25`	`bjacob`	`hi, debiam wheezy here, since I did apt-get upgrade yesterday, I can't compile C programs anymore: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1281277`
`15:53.43`	`gordboy`	`mark76: sorry guv, not what you wanted to hear, but there it is`
`15:53.48`	`bjacob`	`reinstalling libc6 didn't fix the problem`
`15:54.14`	`gordboy`	`bjacob: wind it back to where you were before`
`15:54.34`	`*** join/#debian Dulcin (~Dulcin@s5597dcc9.adsl.wanadoo.nl)`
`15:54.35`	`bjacob`	`gordboy: is that even possible? apt doesn't support downgrading afaik`
`15:55.01`	`daemonkeeper`	`It does not, indeed.`
`15:55.15`	`daemonkeeper`	`You can force it to downgrade, but this is mot likely a bad idea.`
`15:55.18`	`daemonkeeper`	`Well, for sure.`
`15:55.43`	`gordboy`	`aptitude does support it tho. to an extent`
`15:55.48`	`bjacob`	`so i'm more interested in understanding the problem and fixing it`
`15:56.00`	`gordboy`	`use a stable distro`
`15:56.15`	`gordboy`	`that's the real problem here`
`15:56.46`	`gordboy`	`or wait for the fixes to arrive`
`15:57.16`	`*** join/#debian frostschutz (~frostschu@p4FFF780C.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:57.42`	`stew`	`the tools DO allow you to downgrade. the problem is that the maintainer scripts are rarely if ever taking downgrades into account, so you should not expect a downgrade to work reliably`
`15:58.20`	`daemonkeeper`	`Or config files, ...`
`15:58.28`	`daemonkeeper`	`Transitions, ...`
`15:58.29`	`stew`	`bjacob: is build-essential installed?`
`15:58.46`	`*** join/#debian Disputin (~disp@67.23.204.2)`
`15:59.00`	`joltcan`	`Lis: there is actually a samba file for pam.d, but I guess it still needs some way of creating the samba mapping`
`15:59.07`	`*** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8)`
`15:59.36`	`*** join/#debian vikapi (~quassel@124.125.34.134)`
`16:00.02`	`bjacob`	`stew: yes, already newest version`
`16:00.13`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-176-52-1.range86-176.btcentralplus.com)`
`16:01.25`	`*** join/#debian hele (~hele@cs27103083.pp.htv.fi)`
`16:03.37`	`gordboy`	`bjacob: now don't take this the wrong way. there is another possibility we haven't explored. is it the same source that worked before, or are you trying new stuff`
`16:03.53`	`gordboy`	`and when you say doesn't work. what do you mean`
`16:04.04`	`bjacob`	`same source; actually the a.c file i'm using here to test is 1-line trivial source`
`16:04.14`	`bjacob`	`see pastebin`
`16:04.32`	`totte`	`If I'm in a user group that owns a certain folder, but the folder is only rwx-able by the user that owns it and group permissions are blank - am I still able to alter it or its contents somehow?`
`16:04.41`	`bjacob`	`it works with gcc-4.3 and fails with 4.4 and 4.5`
`16:05.11`	`*** join/#debian arran-g_ (~arran@host86-160-20-18.range86-160.btcentralplus.com)`
`16:05.56`	`blubberdiblub`	`bjacob, and you're using debian wheezy? isn't gcc 4.6 the default in wheezy?`
`16:05.57`	`*** join/#debian ManiacTwister (~ManiacTwi@194.60.68.128)`
`16:06.05`	`gordboy`	`bjacob: looks like the "missing" files are from libc6-dev ?`
`16:06.19`	`bjacob`	`blubberdiblub: gcc --version says 4.5.2`
`16:06.21`	`bjacob`	`blubberdiblub: gcc --version says 4.5.3`
`16:06.23`	`bjacob`	`sorry`
`16:06.32`	`*** join/#debian silverfox1 (~mint@155.94.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es)`
`16:06.38`	`bjacob`	`gordboy: looks like it`
`16:06.44`	`bjacob`	`but --reinstall didn't fix it`
`16:06.59`	`blubberdiblub`	`bjacob, mine says 4.6.1. maybe i'm on a different architecture`
`16:07.03`	`*** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@99.196.216.4)`
`16:07.13`	`bjacob`	`blubberdiblub: x86-64 here`
`16:07.28`	`blubberdiblub`	`bjacob, that's what i'm using as well`
`16:07.37`	`mark76`	`You know the default wallpaper for Debian Squeeze?`
`16:08.11`	`bjacob`	`blubberdiblub: indeed... maybe that's related to my problem`
`16:08.34`	`blubberdiblub`	`bjacob, yeah, could be`
`16:08.49`	`*** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@pD9FC5989.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`16:08.49`	`*** join/#debian m4ggus (~marcus@unaffiliated/m4ggus)`
`16:08.57`	`mark76`	`Which folder is it in?`
`16:09.06`	`bjacob`	`blubberdiblub: i have several gcc versions installed, maybe that is preventing 4.6 from installing`
`16:09.16`	`*** join/#debian aLgEBrA-LP (~holger@p1-004.pptp.ggew-net.de)`
`16:09.48`	`blubberdiblub`	`bjacob, that may very well be. you might try removing the older versions and reinstalling 4.6 or something like that`
`16:09.48`	`*** join/#debian poopmaster (poopmaster@bb115-66-156-253.singnet.com.sg)`
`16:09.52`	`mark76`	`I can't find it`
`16:10.05`	`mark76`	`It's not in /usr/share/backgrounds`
`16:10.12`	`*** join/#debian MUILTFN (~MLINTH@adsl-98-80-239-227.mcn.bellsouth.net)`
`16:11.01`	`bjacob`	`blubberdiblub: removed 4.3 and 4.4, then install --reinstall gcc, now i'm getting 4.6. don't know which fixed it.`
`16:11.22`	`bjacob`	`kind of sad as having many gcc versions is one of my big reasons to use debian`
`16:11.30`	`blubberdiblub`	`bjacob, is the code compiling successfully now?`
`16:11.45`	`bjacob`	`no! still same problem`
`16:11.53`	`bjacob`	`oh`
`16:11.58`	`bjacob`	`but that's still using 4.5`
`16:12.14`	`bjacob`	`4.6 works!`
`16:12.20`	`*** join/#debian pdtpatrick (~pdtpatr1c@mainstwan.farheap.com)`
`16:12.24`	`bjacob`	`need to get rid of 4.5 and make 4.6 default`
`16:12.31`	`blubberdiblub`	`ah, at least a partial success then :)`
`16:13.31`	`gordboy`	`mark76: isn't it an "alternative" for /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-background`
`16:14.33`	`mark76`	`Thanks :D`
`16:14.42`	`gordboy`	`mark76: let me give you some advice. install a regular setup, and stop trying to second-guess things by bypassing things`
`16:15.11`	`*** join/#debian MadViking (~user@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe8efb00-63.dhcp.inet.fi)`
`16:15.26`	`*** join/#debian BladeFreak (~BladeFrea@unaffiliated/bladefreak)`
`16:15.41`	`*** join/#debian ChesterX (~Chester@unaffiliated/chesterx)`
`16:16.03`	`bjacob`	`blubberdiblub: works now. thanks for the tip.`
`16:16.13`	`blubberdiblub`	`bjacob, you're welcome`
`16:16.30`	`*** join/#debian arvind_k (~arvind@117.192.208.196)`
`16:16.49`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`16:16.51`	`*** join/#debian dtcrshr (guerrilhag@unaffiliated/datacrusher)`
`16:16.53`	`mark76`	`http://paste.ubuntu.com/651839/`
`16:17.30`	`*** join/#debian mrdeadlocked (~mrdeadloc@unaffiliated/mrdeadlocked)`
`16:17.34`	`*** join/#debian linuxR (~l@adsl-89-217-173-158.adslplus.ch)`
`16:18.16`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio (~rodrigo@186.202.49.189)`
`16:18.43`	`linuxR`	`hi, I have a problem with debian and a memory upgrade: as soon as I have my upgrade memory module inserted, debian-based OSes (incl. grub) run painfully slow. Ideas, anyone?`
`16:19.02`	`linuxR`	`windows runs fine, which makes me kind of angry :)`
`16:19.12`	`oznt`	`can someone answer me something about bridiging ?`
`16:19.37`	`oznt`	`if i have a bridge br0, both my host and guest can have dhcp address ?`
`16:19.47`	`*** join/#debian slidesinger-lt (~jtatum@108.58.186.162)`
`16:19.50`	`abrotman`	`oznt: yes`
`16:20.34`	`th0r`	`linuxR: assuming removing the memory expansion fixes the problem, you might have a bad memory card, or the wrong type or speed of memory card.`
`16:20.40`	`oznt`	`abrotman, so basically, i change eth0 to br0 and et violla ? dhcp inside host, dhcp in guest and both get address on the same network?`
`16:20.54`	`*** join/#debian german (~german@r186-48-23-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`16:21.25`	`*** join/#debian CannedCorn (~CannedCor@207.239.107.3)`
`16:21.58`	`abrotman`	`uh sure .. voila .. if you say so`
`16:22.19`	`linuxR`	`th0r, with only one module it runs, no matter which one I remove...also, memtest does not yield any bad results`
`16:22.23`	`oznt`	`:-) what is missing ?`
`16:22.46`	`linuxR`	`and oh yes, when booting from a live cd, everything works as expected`
`16:22.52`	`wols_`	`linuxR: "debian based" = not debian and therefore OT here. please stop`
`16:23.00`	`wols_`	`linuxR: and I'd suggest you ask ##hardware, not us`
`16:23.24`	`linuxR`	`oh well..I was afraid that would happen ;)`
`16:23.36`	`*** join/#debian ElDiabolo (~jo@xdsl-87-79-63-177.netcologne.de)`
`16:24.03`	`*** join/#debian jaytaph (~jaytaph@dhcp-077-249-052-046.chello.nl)`
`16:24.10`	`abrotman`	`!tell oznt about bridge setup`
`16:25.02`	`oznt`	`abrotman, thanks, i did all these steps... but this last thing was not clear`
`16:25.06`	`abrotman`	`okay`
`16:25.09`	`oznt`	`abrotman, i tried having eth0 and br0 - which was dumb :-)`
`16:25.28`	`oznt`	`abrotman, also, i am trying to get a windows guest to get a dhcp address`
`16:25.43`	`abrotman`	`oznt: right, i've done that .. you do the bridging`
`16:25.52`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@unaffiliated/black-prince/x-4865215)`
`16:26.32`	`*** join/#debian optraz (~cyzie@175.139.54.221)`
`16:26.56`	`oznt`	`i am still debating my self which solution i should use - vbox ose or libvirt ...`
`16:27.13`	`*** join/#debian mican (~con@117.202.67.95)`
`16:27.29`	`*** join/#debian tessellated (~mih@212-183-123-213.adsl.highway.telekom.at)`
`16:27.36`	`abrotman`	`can't help you there .. try them both, see which you like`
`16:28.45`	`tessellated`	`hi, is there a way to exclude a specific package from updating? ie. I have chromium nightly and don't want it updated every day...`
`16:29.42`	`*** join/#debian hebz0rl (~hebz0rl@dslb-178-010-082-143.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`16:29.45`	`*** join/#debian _fatalerrors (~Geoffray@nor75-2-82-231-251-28.fbx.proxad.net)`
`16:29.51`	`*** join/#debian dharc (~chatzilla@187.66.86.228)`
`16:29.57`	`oznt`	`abrotman, when I install a new virtual machine using virt-manager, under advanced options i only see the "default" network, which is NAT, will this use the bridge device ?`
`16:30.14`	`dharc`	`guys i need HEEELP`
`16:30.19`	`*** join/#debian plm (~plm@65.111.170.40)`
`16:30.21`	`plm`	`Hi all`
`16:30.39`	`abrotman`	`oznt: when it's available`
`16:30.42`	`plm`	`people, is possible to start a application but set what will be the PID of this app?`
`16:30.47`	`abrotman`	`dharc: you need to assssssssk`
`16:30.50`	`dharc`	`i tried install nvidia driver but got crash system`
`16:31.10`	`abrotman`	`plm: they're handed out sequentially .. why would you need to preset the PID ?`
`16:31.44`	`dharc`	`so i installed .run driver that i got on nvidia site`
`16:31.46`	`*** join/#debian larsivi (~quassel@static216-54.mimer.net)`
`16:31.54`	`*** join/#debian qx7bfg (~frisson@74.13.125.46)`
`16:31.59`	`tessellated`	`plm: you could write a shellscript and save the PID to file`
`16:32.00`	`abrotman`	`wrong`
`16:32.16`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-145-43-54.range86-145.btcentralplus.com)`
`16:33.06`	`dharc`	`it's run, but today not, i stayed in black screen with only "-" flicking`
`16:33.21`	`oznt`	`abrotman, i could also specify manually "Bridge Name: br0" wouldn't be smarter ? sorry for all the questions - the win2003 server takes ages to install, and it freaks out if you change something after that`
`16:33.21`	`wols_`	`dharc: #nvidia. we don't support that driver`
`16:33.38`	`abrotman`	`dharc: or use the Debian method outlined on the wiki`
`16:33.54`	`abrotman`	`oznt: the server won't notice .. it's going to use DHCP either way`
`16:34.00`	`abrotman`	`oznt: it will just change networks`
`16:34.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1174] by debhelper`
`16:34.13`	`*** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@h-16-247.a328.priv.bahnhof.se)`
`16:34.15`	`dharc`	`i know but i can't download the driver with wget`
`16:34.25`	`*** join/#debian Cibort (~Cibort@unaffiliated/cibort)`
`16:34.33`	`abrotman`	`?`
`16:34.45`	`dharc`	`Debian method got crash wit libgl1-nvidia-alternatives and libgl1-nvidia-glx`
`16:34.46`	`*** join/#debian malkomalko (~malkomalk@adfb4f22.cst.lightpath.net)`
`16:34.51`	`*** join/#debian paese (~pduerstel@xdsl-188-154-26-70.adslplus.ch)`
`16:35.18`	`*** join/#debian MikeH (~mike@2001:470:1f09:14ed:e973:9b36:6186:7ba3)`
`16:35.21`	`wols_`	`dharc: what videocard, what debian branch and which kernelversion do you have?`
`16:35.57`	`*** join/#debian inference (~anon@unaffiliated/inference)`
`16:36.07`	`dharc`	`i'm using squeeze, 2.6.32-5-686, card is 7300 GT`
`16:36.10`	`paese`	`hi all. i want to install debian but the installer asks for missing firmware. i have the package here but where do i have to put it? when i put the contents of firmware-linux-nonfree (which contains the needed package) into the /firmware dir of my bootable usb stick it won't work`
`16:36.26`	`*** join/#debian Aethelred (~jack@cpe-74-79-128-98.twcny.res.rr.com)`
`16:36.27`	`*** join/#debian dualboot (~seggers@2002:579e:bb5:0:20c:29ff:fe9a:9b32)`
`16:37.07`	`Aethelred`	`Greetings (again). I need to get a USB wireless ethernet adapter for a new debian install. I'd like either recommendations for specific hardware, or a link to a list of hardware for which linux drivers exist.`
`16:37.13`	`*** join/#debian mrdeadlocked (~mrdeadloc@unaffiliated/mrdeadlocked)`
`16:37.16`	`MrFrood`	`paese: why not just use the image that has the firmware included?`
`16:37.29`	`abrotman`	`he didn't know it exists?`
`16:37.43`	`paese`	`MrFrood tried that but that also didn't work`
`16:37.51`	`abrotman`	`!firmware installer`
`16:38.12`	`*** part/#debian hwq001 (~weiqiu@120.85.103.242)`
`16:38.35`	`wols_`	`Aethelred: I'd suggest something by atheros. 802.11g`
`16:38.37`	`abrotman`	`paese: did you look in the installatoin manual ?`
`16:38.41`	`dharc`	`...`
`16:38.45`	`MrFrood`	`is dpkg broken?`
`16:38.49`	`*** join/#debian lolmatic (~kommander@89.204.137.64)`
`16:39.03`	`abrotman`	`no ...`
`16:39.05`	`abrotman`	`!firmware installer`
`16:39.06`	`dpkg`	`Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse`
`16:39.10`	`wols_`	`dharc: then the debian installer will work fine for your nvidia card`
`16:39.13`	`abrotman`	`i just got the factoid wrong`
`16:39.28`	`paese`	`thx`
`16:39.36`	`abrotman`	`paese: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en`
`16:39.46`	`*** join/#debian dekar (~dekar@drms-590cffaf.pool.mediaWays.net)`
`16:39.47`	`MrFrood`	`ok`
`16:40.31`	`*** join/#debian Sanitoeter (~sani@unaffiliated/sanitoeter)`
`16:40.35`	`paese`	`abrotman that's what i did, i've put the tigon/ folder into /firmware`
`16:40.43`	`dharc`	`ok, but how can i avoid that problem?`
`16:41.10`	*** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@95-89-216-156-dynip.superkabel.de)
`16:41.14`	*** join/#debian bn` (~Patrick@unaffiliated/bn/x-6686386)
`16:41.14`	`abrotman`	`dharc: don't buy nvidia?`
`16:41.17`	`dharc`	`I had apparently fixed the problem but I was no 3D acceleration`
`16:41.19`	`*** join/#debian floodplain (~floodplai@109.255.50.88)`
`16:41.43`	`wols_`	`dharc: you haven't even told us what the problem is. and now that you have installed the nvidia drivers and messed up your debian with it, who knows`
`16:41.50`	`Aethelred`	`wols_: I'd rather have .11N, but if G is all there is then that'll do. As for Atheros - do they even do retail? I can't go to BestBuy or NewEgg (or any other store I know) and get an Atheros.`
`16:41.56`	`abrotman`	`paese: it says it wlil try to find it .. has to be FAT32 though ?`
`16:41.59`	`wols_`	`if you had no 3D accel, you haven't fix anything at all`
`16:42.42`	`wols_`	`Aethelred: no they don't. they are a chipmaker. the brand on the box isn't important but the maker of the chip is`
`16:43.00`	`dharc`	`the problem is a crash in libgl1-nvidia-alternatives`
`16:43.04`	`*** join/#debian AimHere (~bod@host86-165-202-166.range86-165.btcentralplus.com)`
`16:43.06`	`dharc`	`i told`
`16:43.08`	`*** join/#debian oz123_ (~Oz@adsl-75-34-36-244.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)`
`16:43.24`	`*** join/#debian ner0x (~ner0x@mail.trcgc.net)`
`16:43.32`	`Aethelred`	`wols_: Yes. But I don't know how to connect that info to a real-world solution.`
`16:43.39`	`*** join/#debian djura-san (~djura-san@unaffiliated/djura-san)`
`16:43.50`	`*** join/#debian igoirc (~ignacio@233.Red-217-125-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`16:44.00`	`*** join/#debian corretico (~luis@201.201.44.82)`
`16:44.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1181] by debhelper`
`16:44.17`	`Aethelred`	`wols_: To the extent that Atheros helps linux, I'd love to support Atheros. But I need a path to getting an actual real product.`
`16:44.45`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host109-155-153-114.range109-155.btcentralplus.com)`
`16:45.38`	`*** join/#debian evilbulgarian (~vladi@66-192-149-18.static.twtelecom.net)`
`16:45.40`	`*** part/#debian igoirc (~ignacio@233.Red-217-125-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`16:45.50`	`wols_`	`Aethelred: products change so fast, this month it's a broadcom chipset, next month a atheros in the product with the same label from some taiwanese company`
`16:46.24`	`dharc`	`http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=55518`
`16:46.30`	`dharc`	`that is my problem too`
`16:46.59`	`*** join/#debian huggy-bear (~canci@adsl-165-220-216.teol.net)`
`16:47.02`	`*** part/#debian huggy-bear (~canci@adsl-165-220-216.teol.net)`
`16:47.53`	`Aethelred`	`wols_: yeah. That's how it goes. But I haven't had to read the hardware tea-leaves for 3 years. If there is a resource that I can use today, I'd like to know about it. What resource would YOU use to find an adapter?`
`16:48.15`	`Aethelred`	`wols_: Is there a better channel on freenode for me to ask this question?`
`16:49.35`	`dharc`	`i tried all comands that link, and don't fix problem :s`
`16:49.45`	`dharc`	`some idea?`
`16:49.53`	`wols_`	`dharc: use dpkg -r to remove any package with the string "nvidia" in it on your system. "dpkg -l \|grep nvidia" shows them`
`16:50.18`	`wols_`	`after that, install libgl1-mesa-glx and then install nvidia-glx again`
`16:50.30`	`wols_`	`the link you gave to forums.debian.net tells you this`
`16:50.46`	`dharc`	`my libl1-mesa-glx is installed`
`16:50.51`	`*** join/#debian neibo (~bingen@104.85-85-144.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es)`
`16:50.52`	`djura-san`	`o/`
`16:51.04`	`*** join/#debian tessellated (~mih@91-115-108-108.adsl.highway.telekom.at)`
`16:51.19`	`*** join/#debian Yancho (~Matt@unaffiliated/yancho)`
`16:51.54`	`*** join/#debian jhulst (~jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst)`
`16:52.01`	`dharc`	`ok, I'll try again, back soon`
`16:53.23`	`*** join/#debian llua (~llua@99-8-168-46.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net)`
`16:53.23`	`*** join/#debian llua (~llua@unaffiliated/llua)`
`16:53.39`	`*** part/#debian Aethelred (~jack@cpe-74-79-128-98.twcny.res.rr.com)`
`16:53.59`	`*** join/#debian djura-san (~djura-san@unaffiliated/djura-san)`
`16:54.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1171] by debhelper`
`16:55.03`	`*** join/#debian huggy-bear (~canci@adsl-165-204-192.teol.net)`
`16:55.17`	`*** join/#debian upsy (michael@cpc2-aztw17-0-0-cust958.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`16:55.19`	`*** join/#debian linuxguy101 (~zog@unaffiliated/linuxguy101)`
`16:56.09`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-145-109-102.range86-145.btcentralplus.com)`
`16:56.25`	`*** join/#debian phreck (~phreck@static-108-38-62-98.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)`
`16:57.17`	`*** join/#debian Alam_Squeeze (quasselcor@c-24-63-185-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`16:57.19`	`*** part/#debian silverfox1 (~mint@155.94.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es)`
`16:58.02`	`*** join/#debian ubuntufreak (7aae090c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.174.9.12)`
`16:59.05`	`*** join/#debian trumpen (~trumpen@unaffiliated/trumpen)`
`16:59.29`	`*** join/#debian maxJadi (~maxJadi@pontarius/mahdi)`
`17:00.03`	`ubuntufreak`	`Hi guys i am having problem with the debian 6.0 updates and it seems to be too slow compared to my internet connection, and when i try to select the fast mirror using netselect i get this error http://paste.debian.net/124094/`
`17:00.20`	`*** join/#debian gpsietzema (~gpsietzem@dhcp-077-250-031-025.chello.nl)`
`17:03.06`	`maxJadi`	`Hi, I want to install freeradius 2.1.8 but in debain repository 2.0.4 is available , Is there any way to download 2.1.8 form ubuntu repository instead of getting source code and compile it ?`
`17:03.35`	`*** join/#debian w7nz7k (~w7nz7k@li204-50.members.linode.com)`
`17:03.55`	`*** join/#debian optraz (~cyzie@175.136.122.242)`
`17:04.29`	`w7nz7k`	`hi! is there a way to install libpurple "lightly"? i understand there is no stanalone version, is this true?`
`17:04.31`	`paese`	`aargh. when removing the usb with the firmware in it and replugging it in it works. but the install fails because the path's arent right then`
`17:04.34`	`*** join/#debian a111 (~a111a111@host-2-97-88-208.as13285.net)`
`17:05.54`	`*** join/#debian zir0faive (~zir0faive@rc137-1-82-233-159-60.fbx.proxad.net)`
`17:06.05`	`*** join/#debian markochello (~markochel@bzq-218-182-227.red.bezeqint.net)`
`17:06.43`	`*** join/#debian atlas95 (~cyril@unaffilated/atlas95)`
`17:07.30`	`*** join/#debian chipnt (~Chip@paris-18.progdev.fr)`
`17:09.00`	`w7nz7k`	`why does it have x22 dependencies?`
`17:09.03`	`w7nz7k`	`x22`
`17:09.06`	`w7nz7k`	`x11`
`17:09.32`	`abrotman`	`why wouldn't it?`
`17:09.50`	`*** join/#debian tuxampol (~tuxampol@ppp-188-174-101-155.dynamic.mnet-online.de)`
`17:10.47`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: centerim5, emacs elim, finch... those dont need it`
`17:10.56`	`swilson06`	`i'm on osx ssh into debian, in debian i'm using screen. when i use the scroll back / copy (ctrl+a [) it says 'Must be a window layer' - wtf?`
`17:11.26`	`*** join/#debian allisterb (~allisterb@190.213.181.74)`
`17:11.31`	`abrotman`	`w7nz7k: does finch depend on libpurple ?`
`17:11.42`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: yes`
`17:11.50`	`*** join/#debian atlas95 (~cyril@unaffilated/atlas95)`
`17:12.11`	`*** join/#debian thekix (~thekix@4.Red-217-127-226.staticIP.rima-tde.net)`
`17:12.41`	`abrotman`	`w7nz7k: i know that finch uses the same backend as pidgin .. you can try without recommends, but i doubt you'll get very far`
`17:13.25`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: in deed. i want it for my server, hence my frustration.`
`17:13.55`	`abrotman`	`w7nz7k: but it's not actually installing X .. just libraries`
`17:14.37`	`w7nz7k`	`hahahah! which makes it even more useless`
`17:16.07`	`*** join/#debian sumrak (dmitriy427@212.12.17.40)`
`17:16.55`	`abrotman`	`huh?`
`17:18.20`	`*** join/#debian XThief (~XThief@136.Red-95-121-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`17:19.02`	`*** join/#debian GRMrGecko (~Adium@64.89.119.124)`
`17:19.21`	`*** join/#debian slackd00d (~slackd00d@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d)`
`17:19.25`	`*** join/#debian dzup (~dzup@unaffiliated/dzup)`
`17:19.59`	`*** join/#debian barf (~Dark_Shib@193.69.144.162)`
`17:20.58`	`*** join/#debian giantkiar (~giantkiar@unaffiliated/giantkiar)`
`17:21.00`	`giantkiar`	`hi there`
`17:21.49`	`*** join/#debian buribu (~buribu@189-46-131-73.dsl.telesp.net.br)`
`17:21.49`	`*** join/#debian buribu (~buribu@unaffiliated/buribu)`
`17:22.00`	`*** join/#debian Theoden (~quassel@c-98-234-161-226.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`17:22.36`	`GRMrGecko`	`http://mrgeckosmedia.net/grab/975635a31a9aa5a3cb1dfee1d780e751.PNG Someone mind explaining to me why ipsec isn't starting?`
`17:22.44`	`GRMrGecko`	`I see it in the boot list`
`17:23.17`	`GRMrGecko`	`when I tell it to start manually, it does`
`17:23.34`	`*** join/#debian koshieFinalReliz (~koshie@89-159-57-128.rev.dartybox.com)`
`17:23.34`	`GRMrGecko`	`it is using Openswan`
`17:24.30`	`*** join/#debian jahil1 (~mohsin@94.203.101.202)`
`17:25.20`	`*** join/#debian lorenzosu (~lorenzosu@ppp-185-124.24-151.libero.it)`
`17:26.48`	`*** join/#debian Jabraltr (~chris@blk-11-14-178.eastlink.ca)`
`17:27.52`	`*** join/#debian GlynnR (~glynnr@ip-77-221-183-141.dsl.twang.net)`
`17:30.02`	`*** join/#debian corretico (~luis@201.201.44.82)`
`17:30.05`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: now i'd have a whole bunch of dependencies completely useless. x libraries with no x installed.`
`17:30.19`	`abrotman`	`they're not useless if the package depends on them`
`17:30.27`	`GRMrGecko`	`whenever I reboot, I see this http://pastebin.com/qFixncAj`
`17:30.54`	`*** join/#debian atlas951 (~cyril@bny92-7-82-247-105-227.fbx.proxad.net)`
`17:31.00`	`GRMrGecko`	`So, it knows to stop it`
`17:31.04`	`GRMrGecko`	`but it's not starting.`
`17:32.18`	`*** part/#debian huggy-bear (~canci@adsl-165-204-192.teol.net)`
`17:32.31`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: the packages are badly built... the depepencies for its complation are: cyrus-sasl-plugins, dbus-glib, farsight2, libsasl, nss, silc-toolkit`
`17:32.49`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen_ (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`17:33.03`	`*** join/#debian burhan (~burhan@pdpc/supporter/student/fyrestrtr)`
`17:33.04`	`abrotman`	`w7nz7k: file a bug, that's all i can tell you`
`17:33.14`	`*** join/#debian ner0x (~ner0x@mail.trcgc.net)`
`17:33.17`	`*** join/#debian bolong7 (~bolong7@223.255.230.29)`
`17:33.37`	`burhan`	`will upgrade python in a very basic (cd-1) install of debian 6 break anything? I need python 2.7 and squeeze gave me 2.6.6`
`17:33.42`	`burhan`	`s/upgrade/upgrading/`
`17:33.44`	`*** join/#debian cga (~cga@82.84.183.87)`
`17:33.49`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: i agree. i think i should.`
`17:34.02`	`*** join/#debian logichole (~james@c-98-247-99-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`17:34.11`	`*** part/#debian GlynnR (~glynnr@ip-77-221-183-141.dsl.twang.net)`
`17:34.13`	`abrotman`	`w7nz7k: honestly, it's a silly bug ... but do whatever you want`
`17:34.32`	`abrotman`	`burhan: it will likely break something`
`17:34.50`	`*** join/#debian pLk (~mail@xdsl-92-252-121-204.dip.osnanet.de)`
`17:35.37`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: 250 MB avoidable dependencies... i think it's somewhat important, isn't it?`
`17:35.52`	`abrotman`	`on your 1TB HDD?`
`17:36.00`	`burhan`	`abrotman: :/ oh`
`17:36.04`	`*** join/#debian sneezewort (~hbarrett@129.24.63.254)`
`17:36.19`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: 1TB? says who?`
`17:36.22`	`abrotman`	`burhan: you can have python2.7, but don't change the /usr/bin/python symlink`
`17:36.55`	`*** part/#debian An0nymosz- (~An0nymosZ@197.1.188.58)`
`17:37.21`	`*** join/#debian NoNaMeNo (~NoNaMeNo@tb213-185-227-85.cust.teknikbyran.com)`
`17:37.31`	`w7nz7k`	`abrotman: i have a 20 GBserver and know of others with much less.`
`17:37.51`	`*** join/#debian mtn (~mtn@99.196.216.4)`
`17:38.05`	`*** join/#debian lanze_so4 (~hed@clnet-p02-035.ikbnet.co.at)`
`17:41.15`	*** join/#debian Speed` (~Curry@5ad1ca6f.bb.sky.com)
`17:41.19`	`*** join/#debian ib-mobile (~quassel@S010600163e3726cf.ed.shawcable.net)`
`17:41.23`	`*** join/#debian ib-mobile_ (~quassel@S010600163e3726cf.ed.shawcable.net)`
`17:41.50`	`*** join/#debian koshieFinalReliz (~koshie@89-159-57-128.rev.dartybox.com)`
`17:41.50`	`*** join/#debian zapadlo_ (~zapadlo@host-78-146-97-152.as13285.net)`
`17:45.10`	`*** join/#debian asias_ (~asias@lifeatwarp10.com)`
`17:45.16`	`*** join/#debian Tigger__ (Tigger@cpc4-fare6-2-0-cust436.6-1.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`17:45.17`	`GRMrGecko`	`none able to help me with my issue?`
`17:45.23`	`*** join/#debian Kharec (~Kharec@84.6.4.15)`
`17:45.37`	`*** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (~alex@wifi-roaming-128-4-213-220.nss.udel.edu)`
`17:45.40`	`GRMrGecko`	`from my understanding, it should just be something stupid I am missing`
`17:45.49`	`Kharec`	`lo`
`17:46.03`	`max_sharpe`	`I think its just being told to shut down twice.`
`17:46.21`	`GRMrGecko`	`max_sharpe: I only see one thing in the log`
`17:46.52`	`*** join/#debian Gagamehl (~lsc@f051226180.adsl.alicedsl.de)`
`17:46.59`	`GRMrGecko`	`xl2tpd starts`
`17:47.06`	`*** join/#debian MrGeneral (~MrGeneral@ipv6.miguelsp.net)`
`17:47.14`	`max_sharpe`	`hmmm`
`17:47.24`	`GRMrGecko`	`should I post the init.d file to psatebin?`
`17:47.44`	`*** join/#debian Renekton (Sponza@93-103-242-209.dynamic.t-2.net)`
`17:47.50`	`Renekton`	`hi all`
`17:48.01`	`Gagamehl`	`what chips are better supported by free 3D drivers? ati or nvidia ones?`
`17:48.13`	`max_sharpe`	`Gecko im not that good.`
`17:48.24`	`GRMrGecko`	`http://pastebin.com/5nLZpCvt`
`17:48.26`	`GRMrGecko`	`there is the init.d`
`17:48.35`	`abrotman`	`Gagamehl: probably ati currently`
`17:49.17`	`Gagamehl`	`abrotman, ok`
`17:49.28`	`*** join/#debian zapadlo__ (~zapadlo@host-78-146-97-152.as13285.net)`
`17:49.33`	`*** join/#debian pakos (pakos@obsd.eu.org)`
`17:49.52`	`*** join/#debian guampa (~guampa@unaffiliated/guampa)`
`17:50.10`	`*** part/#debian qx7bfg (~frisson@74.13.125.46)`
`17:50.12`	`wildc4rd`	`evenin all`
`17:50.54`	`*** join/#debian theoros (~user@unaffiliated/theoros)`
`17:52.05`	`*** join/#debian j-b (~jb@videolan/developer/j-b)`
`17:52.31`	`fossala`	`Gagamehl: Opensource ATI, closedsource (BOOO!!) nvidia.`
`17:52.32`	`theoros`	`it was recommended i come here, despite having asked #gnupg. is it a problem if gpg --gen-key produces, for the public keypair, a master pub key with usage rights of SCEA and a sub key of SEA, with RSA as the scheme, given that it's often repeated that the same key shouldn't be used for both signing and encrypting? does gpg not actually use the same key, and it's just a usage permission problem?`
`17:52.49`	`*** join/#debian batchy (~batchy@81-64-235-23.rev.numericable.fr)`
`17:53.00`	`*** join/#debian dharc (~dharc@187.66.86.228)`
`17:53.08`	`j-b`	`Hello, where could I talk to some people related to debian-legal?`
`17:53.21`	`dharc`	`thanks guys, now 3D is available`
`17:53.31`	`Gagamehl`	`fossala, interesting...`
`17:53.50`	`dharc`	`i need to go`
`17:53.56`	`dharc`	`thanks, bye`
`17:54.00`	`*** part/#debian dharc (~dharc@187.66.86.228)`
`17:54.03`	`*** join/#debian scampbell (~scampbell@mail.scampbell.net)`
`17:54.07`	`GRMrGecko`	`So then, none can help me?`
`17:54.19`	`barf`	`j-b: Legal as in your rights? Or debianâs rights?`
`17:54.32`	`fossala`	`Gagamehl: I'm atm using nvidia with nouveau driver. But 3D support is expermental`
`17:54.32`	`*** join/#debian MUILTFN (~MLINTH@adsl-98-80-239-227.mcn.bellsouth.net)`
`17:54.38`	`j-b`	`barf: debian's right and DSFG`
`17:55.57`	`Gagamehl`	`fossala, is 3D support for ATI chips experimental?`
`17:56.03`	`*** join/#debian titacgs (~titacgs@2001:41b8:203:dc11:218:deff:fe0c:2c04)`
`17:56.09`	`Renekton`	`I have Compaq Workstation Evo W8000 and when trying to install debian-net-install, not recognize my network card (missing firmware: d101m_ucode.bin). have copied that file on usb and retried, but always same msg. any ideas?`
`17:56.14`	`fossala`	`No, not as far as I know.`
`17:56.15`	`*** join/#debian project2501a (~gmarselis@109.171.130.235)`
`17:56.41`	`fossala`	`I would go with ATI if I was bothered about FreeSoftware with 3D.`
`17:56.58`	`Gagamehl`	`fossala, I think I go Intel :)`
`17:57.00`	`fossala`	`I was on a budget when I bought this card hense nVidia.`
`17:57.21`	`barf`	`Anyone feel like pasting their apt/sources.list?`
`17:57.38`	`barf`	`or a link to one that fits a debian base install?`
`17:57.39`	`*** join/#debian MrGeneral (~MrGeneral@ipv6.miguelsp.net)`
`17:57.41`	`Gagamehl`	`barf, what's the point?`
`17:57.42`	`*** join/#debian jahil1 (~mohsin@li184-188.members.linode.com)`
`17:57.55`	`Gagamehl`	`barf, need some line? Just ask`
`17:57.58`	`GRMrGecko`	`Gagamehl: Intel main business is CPUs not GPUs, so their GPUs won't be as good as ATI or Nvidia`
`17:58.02`	`barf`	`I just debootstrapped a memory stick from ubuntu`
`17:58.31`	`*** join/#debian wontoner (adc86475@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.200.100.117)`
`17:58.37`	`barf`	`and I assume using the ubuntu one is no good...`
`17:58.39`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`17:58.47`	`barf`	`I need one for squeeze`
`17:58.48`	`wontoner`	`I'm having trouble upgrading my php 5.2 ro 5.3 on Lenny, can anyone help me out?`
`17:58.50`	`*** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net)`
`17:58.51`	`Gagamehl`	`GRMrGecko, really? I thought onboard graphics were for the ultimate 3D experience....`
`17:59.27`	`*** join/#debian TrueDD (~truedd@unaffiliated/truedd)`
`17:59.28`	`Gagamehl`	`barf, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main`
`17:59.30`	`GRMrGecko`	`PCI Graphics cards (from my understanding) are much better.`
`17:59.34`	`barf`	`I just received one`
`17:59.36`	`barf`	`Thanks`
`17:59.54`	`Gagamehl`	`barf, do you intend to install proprietary software from the repositories?`
`18:00.01`	`*** part/#debian lanze_so4 (~hed@clnet-p02-035.ikbnet.co.at)`
`18:00.06`	`fossala`	`They are much better. If you have onboard you want intel but otherwise go with a 4xxx ATI`
`18:00.32`	`*** join/#debian PragCypher (~PragCyphe@208.82.216.3)`
`18:00.36`	`barf`	`Gagamehl: Not sure, I use vim, xxd, ssh`
`18:00.48`	`*** join/#debian 18WAA2LQC (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`18:00.48`	`*** join/#debian 64MAAX7G1 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`18:00.51`	`barf`	`and sometimes postfix, apache, python`
`18:01.14`	`Gagamehl`	`barf, if you would to, append "contrib non-free" (without ") at the end of the line`
`18:01.15`	`*** join/#debian Zylvain (~Zylvain@2a01:e35:8a07:4aa0:215:afff:fea2:cf66)`
`18:01.30`	`wontoner`	`I'm getting the message 'php5 is already the newest version.' but it's only PHP 5.2`
`18:01.42`	`*** join/#debian bregma (~stephenw@74.198.165.114)`
`18:02.01`	`*** part/#debian bjacob (~bjacob@corp.tor1.mozilla.com)`
`18:02.04`	`GRMrGecko`	`wontoner: If packages has a older version, then it won't update`
`18:02.07`	`gnarface`	`wontoner: still running lenny?`
`18:02.10`	`dandersson`	`Debian Sid: Iceweasel hung during "Checking extensions for upgrade". Now it won't start, says an Iceweasel process is already running. It is not. 'ps ax \| grep -E "(ice\|fire\|xul)"' gives nothing. 'find ~/.mozilla -iname "lock"' gives nothing of value. I can't find a corresponding entry in /run (but if it's a random name, that is hard). Removing my profile makes it start, but I'd rather not. Are there any more things I could look for?`
`18:02.15`	`GRMrGecko`	`as there isn't an update available`
`18:02.23`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5&suite=all&section=all&searchon=names`
`18:02.34`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`18:02.46`	`*** join/#debian GomoX (c9fcec62@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.252.236.98)`
`18:03.56`	`GomoX`	`Hey, I have installed onto a SW Raid 1. I then wanted to test the degradation procedure so I unplugged a disk and rebooted just fine. Problem is if I plug the disk back, the RAID starts rebuilding and I get DMA errors on syslog.`
`18:04.09`	`*** join/#debian rsampaio (~rodrigo@187.45.255.31)`
`18:04.17`	`GomoX`	`Â¿Is there any way to avoid the rebuilding to start?`
`18:04.25`	`*** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`18:04.39`	`*** join/#debian project2501a (~gmarselis@109.171.130.235)`
`18:05.05`	`GomoX`	`I don't get the [F] next to the failed disk because the disk is missing.`
`18:05.11`	`GomoX`	`So I can't remove it from the array`
`18:05.21`	`wontoner`	`gnarface: Yes still running Lenny`
`18:05.53`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, as the link I posted shows, it's the newest version in lenny`
`18:06.46`	`wontoner`	`Gagamehl: I am looking to dotdeb.org's packages in the hopes I can get 5.3 running on this Lenny install`
`18:07.16`	`wontoner`	`This article here seems to indicate it's a possibility: http://bit.ly/nMZaNS`
`18:07.53`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, I can't help you with that. dotdeb is new to me`
`18:07.59`	`*** join/#debian alfplayer (~quassel@190.193.147.40)`
`18:08.35`	`*** join/#debian hell_razer (~HellRaise@133-137-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net)`
`18:08.36`	`barf`	`Which language pack to install to make locale stop moaning?`
`18:09.00`	`*** part/#debian j-b (~jb@videolan/developer/j-b)`
`18:09.05`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, ah, it's just a third party repository. Just add the appropriate lines in the sources.list and pin the package to the appropriate repo`
`18:09.22`	`*** join/#debian EduardeCalibal (~Eduarde@novoseusadosinformatica.com.br)`
`18:09.45`	`wontoner`	`Gagamehl: How do I pin the package to the repo?`
`18:09.54`	`barf`	`And which linux-image to install for Pentium III Coppermine?`
`18:09.57`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, mom`
`18:10.17`	`barf`	`486 or 686?`
`18:10.23`	`wontoner`	`Sorry?`
`18:10.44`	`*** join/#debian leefan (~leefan@pool-173-79-244-59.washdc.fios.verizon.net)`
`18:11.49`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, http://rifers.org/paste/show/1416`
`18:12.26`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, add these lines to /etc/apt/preferences`
`18:12.50`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen_ (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`18:13.18`	`*** join/#debian sumrak (dmitriy427@212.12.17.40)`
`18:13.22`	`*** join/#debian ongolaBoy (~ongolaBoy@unaffiliated/ongolaboy)`
`18:13.59`	`abrotman`	`barf: 686`
`18:14.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1178] by debhelper`
`18:15.34`	`*** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`18:16.32`	`GRMrGecko`	`I think I fixed the issue`
`18:17.35`	`*** join/#debian Striktarn (~Striktarn@c83-249-217-63.bredband.comhem.se)`
`18:17.47`	`*** join/#debian erufu (~erufu@73.133.69.86.rev.sfr.net)`
`18:18.43`	`wontoner`	`Gagamehl: Hmm.. I've pinned the php5 package, and I have the 3rd party repos but I still get the message that php5 is the most up to date version`
`18:18.46`	`barf`	`abrotman: Installed`
`18:19.37`	`wontoner`	`Is there a way with apt to list all the available versions of a package? I'm thinking ' apt-get install php5=5.3.0' or something like that might work`
`18:20.32`	`GRMrGecko`	`yes, it's fixed now. max_sharpe Incase your wondering, the issue was the dependancies on the ipsec init.d script.`
`18:20.45`	`GRMrGecko`	`Now the graph of boot sequence looks like http://mrgeckosmedia.net/grab/9fae19ef9a6c3b0586592f07243c02ab.PNG`
`18:20.47`	`*** join/#debian grandie (~thomas@p579F950D.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:21.09`	`*** join/#debian skrewler (~skrewler@70-36-197-54.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)`
`18:21.22`	`*** join/#debian mooglenorph (~marco@sh14-131.mtholyoke.edu)`
`18:21.55`	`wontoner`	`I think part of the problem might be that I have a mixed system. Some parts have already been upgraded to debian 6 due to having my main repo set to stable`
`18:22.26`	`*** join/#debian daedhel (~daedhel@cable-10-158-149.b2b2c.ca)`
`18:22.50`	`*** join/#debian project2501a (~gmarselis@109.171.130.235)`
`18:23.29`	`*** join/#debian Adrien_ (~Adrien@cro34-1-82-224-134-35.fbx.proxad.net)`
`18:23.47`	`*** join/#debian Dulcin (~Dulcin@s5597dcc9.adsl.wanadoo.nl)`
`18:24.22`	`mooglenorph`	`Hi. Is there anything wrong with putting start-pulseaudio-x11 into my .xinitrc? I'm not running gnome. Is this the "right" way to start pulseaudio?`
`18:24.23`	*** join/#debian dawN` (~dawN@chello080108040220.22.11.vie.surfer.at)
`18:25.08`	`Striktarn`	`I have this netinstall of debian and I want to install xfce. The documentation says I should put "desktop=xfce" as a parameter, should it be preceded with "--"?`
`18:26.33`	`th0r`	`Striktarn: is debian already installed on your computer?`
`18:26.55`	`Striktarn`	`no Im about to install from usb (netinst)`
`18:27.38`	`*** join/#debian chasing_Sol (~chasingSo@82.201.135.150)`
`18:28.19`	`*** join/#debian Monotoko (~monotoko@unaffiliated/monotoko)`
`18:28.24`	`th0r`	`Striktarn: Someplace in the first screen, instead of choosing Install, down near the bottom of the list is another choice that allows you to choose a different window manager. Xfce is one of the choices. Sure wish I could remember exactly what that choice was....`
`18:28.48`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, if you still have problems with your php5 package, please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and preferences`
`18:29.03`	`Striktarn`	`th0r: aha, I must have missed it, Ill look again`
`18:29.21`	`*** join/#debian Sw33NY_ (~Sw33NY___@ks30628.kimsufi.com)`
`18:29.22`	`wontoner`	`Gagamehl: Do # characters work in the preferences file to comment something out?`
`18:29.28`	`th0r`	`Striktarn: I installed to xfce...so I know it is there. The choice is worded funny...but it is there`
`18:29.29`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, no`
`18:29.54`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host109-145-110-75.range109-145.btcentralplus.com)`
`18:29.54`	`*** join/#debian Gilde (~Gilde@dslb-092-076-158-087.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`18:29.57`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, when you got some time, read "man apt_preferences"`
`18:30.27`	`Striktarn`	`th0r: thanks`
`18:31.04`	`*** join/#debian mouse (~mouse@74-141-210-155.dhcp.insightbb.com)`
`18:31.44`	`*** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib)`
`18:31.51`	`wontoner`	`Gagamehl: http://pastebin.com/qZrVCxYn`
`18:32.01`	`wontoner`	`There is my preferences and sources.list as it is set up currently`
`18:34.20`	`*** join/#debian JonathanD (~JonathanD@freenode/staff/jonathand)`
`18:34.25`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, if you want to comment stuff in the preferences file, you can have an "Explanation: " line above each "Package: " line. What's the output of apt-cache policy php5?`
`18:35.15`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, btw, why don't you upgrade to squeeze?`
`18:35.19`	`wontoner`	`Gagamehl: http://pastebin.com/cKwzmGha`
`18:35.37`	`wontoner`	`I am preparing to upgrade to squeeze, but I currently have a user that needs php 5.3 running`
`18:35.56`	`wontoner`	`So I thought it might be reasonable to get php 5.3 on this mixed install before I complete the upgrade`
`18:36.46`	`*** join/#debian maxJadi (~maxJadi@pontarius/mahdi)`
`18:36.46`	`*** join/#debian aran (~aran@host196-68-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`18:36.56`	`*** part/#debian aran (~aran@host196-68-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`18:37.02`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, the newest version of php5 in oldstable of dotdeb is, in fact, 5.2.x: http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/oldstable/php5/binary-i386/`
`18:37.50`	`*** part/#debian GRMrGecko (~Adium@64.89.119.124)`
`18:38.09`	`*** join/#debian aran (~aran@host196-68-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`18:38.15`	`*** join/#debian ROSHA (~rosha@91.98.69.93)`
`18:39.01`	`*** join/#debian rage (~rage@val59-5-88-172-75-180.fbx.proxad.net)`
`18:39.16`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, change in your preferences file "Package: php5" to "Package: php5*"`
`18:39.58`	`*** join/#debian Known_problems (~Known_pro@187.40.101.85)`
`18:40.33`	`plm`	`abrotman: sorry for long time, just was thinking to use cpulimit.. and as simple, I will start cpulimit always in one PID, but not problem to get pid and pass as argumnt to cpulimit`
`18:40.36`	`*** join/#debian jbeatty (~jbeatty@adsl-74-226-116-214.mem.bellsouth.net)`
`18:40.48`	`*** join/#debian K0JIbKA (~a3371_2@188.124.242.159)`
`18:40.52`	`jbeatty`	`I'm an xfce user but a bunch of xfce libraries just showed up in my apt-get remove list`
`18:41.01`	`jbeatty`	`I'm on unstable and this happened right after a dist-upgrade`
`18:41.18`	`wontoner`	`gagamehl: Does it look promising if php5, php5-cgi, and php5-cli are going to be removed and php5-suhosin will be added?`
`18:42.05`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, sorry, I do not know php well enough to answer this. Please paste your updated sources.list and preferences files`
`18:42.33`	`*** join/#debian MrOpposite (~mropposit@unaffiliated/mropposite)`
`18:42.55`	`K0JIbKA`	`wols_:it worked out. GRUB is ommited of 'quiet' and added with 'nomodeset' and 'nofb'`
`18:44.20`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, I got to go afk for about 10min`
`18:44.45`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`18:45.58`	`*** join/#debian jahil1 (~mohsin@94.203.101.202)`
`18:46.56`	`*** join/#debian Tigerboy (~shamus@pool-108-0-35-40.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)`
`18:47.09`	`*** join/#debian devilchaos (~devil@87.115.240.163)`
`18:47.23`	`devilchaos`	`hi all`
`18:48.08`	`*** join/#debian xakz (~XaMaD@ARennes-554-1-315-247.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`18:49.16`	`*** join/#debian apetc (~apetc@trevie-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net)`
`18:50.01`	`amoe`	`hi devilchaos`
`18:50.16`	*** join/#debian mns` (~mns@187.0.26.168)
`18:50.39`	`m8`	`I can create a full custom menu in gnome? Same as places or system or application`
`18:51.03`	`*** join/#debian TBotNik (~ndavis@cpe-76-184-53-92.tx.res.rr.com)`
`18:51.24`	`Gagamehl`	`m8, maybe ask at #gnome`
`18:52.14`	`*** join/#debian newyork (~newyork@p4FFDDAA4.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:52.29`	`TBotNik`	`All: Trying to debug a little bash script. Have PB at: http://pastebin.com/Pn5Mw4gA. Would appreciate the help. Thanks`
`18:52.42`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host109-145-222-254.range109-145.btcentralplus.com)`
`18:53.04`	`m8`	`Gagamehl, good idea :D`
`18:53.17`	`abrotman`	`TBotNik: #bash is probably a better place`
`18:53.26`	`*** join/#debian rynx (~rynxy@142.167.204.91)`
`18:53.27`	`Bushmills`	`probably you mean $pathname/$filename`
`18:53.41`	`*** join/#debian ring2 (~ring0@unaffiliated/ring0)`
`18:54.12`	`TBotNik`	`abrotman: K thanks, put there also!`
`18:54.16`	`Bushmills`	`and drop the trailing / from $pathname`
`18:54.24`	`*** join/#debian abchirk (~abchirk@e177085059.adsl.alicedsl.de)`
`18:54.49`	`*** join/#debian JamezQ (~james@c-24-4-176-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`18:55.17`	`twobitsprite`	`TBotNik: also, get rid of the spaces around '=' in the first two lines`
`18:55.29`	`TBotNik`	`All: Put my error in the PB as well so you can follow along, Thanks!`
`18:55.35`	`twobitsprite`	`setting variables in bash is always "varnam=val" never with spaces before or after the =`
`18:55.42`	`*** join/#debian _fatalerrors (~Geoffray@nor75-2-82-231-251-28.fbx.proxad.net)`
`18:56.20`	`*** join/#debian MingGeek (~mindgeek@69.175.64.136)`
`18:56.34`	`Bushmills`	`and replace the repetitive echo lines against st. like cat > yourfile << EOF<newline>text<newline>more text<newline>EOF`
`18:56.35`	`berarma`	`TBotNik: run your script like "bash -x set-wifi.sh" and see your errors`
`18:56.38`	`*** part/#debian theoros (~user@unaffiliated/theoros)`
`18:57.01`	`TBotNik`	`berarma: Thnks`
`18:57.14`	`*** join/#debian amphi (~amphi@unaffiliated/amphi)`
`18:57.48`	`*** join/#debian Arroyo1010 (Arroyo1010@77-46-233-194.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs)`
`18:57.58`	`TBotNik`	`BRB checking things out and re-running`
`18:58.02`	`*** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host39-66-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`18:58.44`	`*** join/#debian phrantiq (~mk@unaffiliated/phrantiq)`
`18:59.18`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`19:00.26`	`*** join/#debian balrog (~balrog@pool-74-109-56-155.phlapa.east.verizon.net)`
`19:00.29`	`Tigerboy`	`1. I just "upgraded" one of my systems from Squeeze to Sid ... suddenly I don't have permission to access ntfs-- ntfs3g is in there... 2. Does anyone give a thumbs up to the gnome-shell (gnome3) that is in sid?`
`19:01.30`	`MingGeek`	`Tigerboy, please unmount ntfs drive first and try changing permission, this worked for me`
`19:02.10`	`MingGeek`	`gnome-shell is nice at first view! after a while very disturbing!`
`19:02.15`	`Tigerboy`	`minggeek: thanks I will do that.`
`19:03.06`	`Tigerboy`	`MingGeek: ok gnome 2.3 seems solid to me. I read something about shell and it seemed to be the origin of Ubuntu's Unity... which I didn't really like.`
`19:04.14`	`MindGeek`	`i'm using ubunutu (of course after heavy customization) but now i'm using kde 4,`
`19:04.16`	`Tigerboy`	`MindGeek: I can't believe I got kernel 3.0x to work with nvidia ... next will be amd cards`
`19:04.29`	`MindGeek`	`really?`
`19:04.42`	`*** join/#debian jahil1 (~mohsin@94.203.101.202)`
`19:04.51`	`*** join/#debian mastro (~daniele@host39-66-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`19:04.57`	`MindGeek`	`too soon to use it on my pc`
`19:04.58`	`MindGeek`	`:D`
`19:04.59`	`*** join/#debian PragCypher (~PragCyphe@208.82.216.3)`
`19:05.01`	`Tigerboy`	`MindGeek: use flawlessly with the latest nvidia driver directly from nvidia.`
`19:05.14`	`MindGeek`	`seems good`
`19:05.51`	`Tigerboy`	`Mindgeek: but I am still checking things out... I have other kernels ready to take it's place.`
`19:05.59`	`*** join/#debian larsivi (~quassel@static216-54.mimer.net)`
`19:06.02`	`*** join/#debian german (~german@r186-48-252-172.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`19:06.19`	`*** join/#debian jodeba_ (~debel@2.106.92.62)`
`19:06.21`	`resixian`	`anybody recommend one of the groupware suites? (e.g. zimbra, citadel etc)`
`19:06.36`	`*** join/#debian oznt (~Oz@adsl-75-34-36-244.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)`
`19:06.42`	`TBotNik`	`All: Added all the suggestion and reran the script. PB with errors at: http://pastebin.com/index/6p0fjPcd`
`19:06.55`	`Tigerboy`	`MindGeek: I am moving a good number of systems over to testing from Squeeze-- but I wanted to try a Sid centered system`
`19:06.58`	`*** join/#debian liable (~liable@unaffiliated/liable)`
`19:07.14`	`*** join/#debian lollo64it (~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it)`
`19:07.28`	`*** join/#debian balrog (~balrog@pool-74-109-64-40.phlapa.east.verizon.net)`
`19:07.38`	`MindGeek`	`Tigerboy: unstable debian?`
`19:07.38`	`mns`	`ok .. really dumb question ...`
`19:07.49`	`Gagamehl`	`wontoner, would be nice to know if things are working now...`
`19:07.49`	`Tigerboy`	`MindGeek: I had problems with pidgin otr encryption and other things on Ubuntu that were not fixed. I really liked that they all worked in Deb`
`19:08.12`	`Tigerboy`	`Mindgeek: sid is unstable -- it is the permanent name for unstable`
`19:08.32`	`Bushmills`	`Iridos: ping`
`19:08.43`	`Iridos`	`Bushmills, peng`
`19:08.47`	`Tigerboy`	`MindGeek: Ubuntu is derived from Sid... but they may so many changes you can't easily share packages from one to the other.`
`19:08.48`	`Bushmills`	`PM ok?`
`19:08.59`	`mns`	`if I am using lower case letters only for the password, and keeping it to 10 characters minimum, how many possible passwords are there ? is it 10^26 or 26^10 ?`
`19:09.10`	`wols_`	`K0JIbKA: sorta. now you have to reenable stuff one by one again to see how you can get KMS to work with X so you can get normal 3D acceleration`
`19:09.18`	`*** join/#debian JPT (~JPT@dslc-082-082-098-003.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`19:09.30`	`mns`	`is having a total brain meltdown today from lack of sleep ..`
`19:09.38`	`Iridos`	`go ahead, if you're not going to suggest to enlarge one of my ... "body parts"`
`19:09.47`	`twobitsprite`	`TBotNik: I don't see any errors`
`19:09.55`	`Tigerboy`	`MindGeek: I thought you were from China at first... I see it was a typo`
`19:09.56`	`*** join/#debian malkomalko (~malkomalk@adfb4f22.cst.lightpath.net)`
`19:10.07`	`*** join/#debian Raptors (~Raptors@dsl-173-248-237-200.acanac.net)`
`19:10.39`	`*** join/#debian redguy (~matik@89-76-237-104.dynamic.chello.pl)`
`19:10.39`	`*** join/#debian redguy (~matik@unaffiliated/redguy)`
`19:10.48`	`*** join/#debian JeJe (~JeJE@70.112.9.109.rev.sfr.net)`
`19:11.33`	`*** join/#debian atlas95 (~cyril@unaffilated/atlas95)`
`19:13.08`	`*** join/#debian danielgc (~danielgal@pc-229-109-83-200.cm.vtr.net)`
`19:14.16`	`*** join/#debian Jackneill (~Jackneill@unaffiliated/jackneill)`
`19:15.16`	`*** join/#debian arran-g (~arran@host86-148-161-99.range86-148.btcentralplus.com)`
`19:15.57`	`*** join/#debian PragCypher (~PragCyphe@208.82.216.3)`
`19:16.13`	`*** join/#debian phrantiq (~mk@unaffiliated/phrantiq)`
`19:17.31`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`19:17.44`	`*** join/#debian CyberGabber (~CyberGabb@31-183-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl)`
`19:18.34`	`*** join/#debian jaroslov (~jaroslov@tomato.0x20.be)`
`19:19.03`	`TBotNik`	`All: I set in the line echo "$pathname$filename"; and it is coming back blank, which is why the file is not writing. Any ideas why it is blank?`
`19:20.05`	`*** join/#debian trbs (~trbs@2001:470:d2ad:1:4a5b:39ff:fe7d:1623)`
`19:20.33`	`abrotman`	`TBotNik: try #bash`
`19:26.52`	`*** join/#debian Cyanure (~Cyanure@81-65-165-144.rev.numericable.fr)`
`19:26.55`	`*** join/#debian project2501a (~gmarselis@109.171.130.235)`
`19:27.12`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@91.191.20.15)`
`19:27.12`	`*** join/#debian Black_Prince (~Prince@unaffiliated/black-prince/x-4865215)`
`19:27.24`	`*** part/#debian jaroslov (~jaroslov@tomato.0x20.be)`
`19:27.56`	`Iridos`	`who's that all guy anyway`
`19:28.14`	`*** join/#debian elkclone (~patrick@shellium/member/elkclone)`
`19:28.30`	`Gagamehl`	`mns, the amount of possible passwords is always: "amount of different character types in the password" to the power of "password length"`
`19:29.04`	`TBotNik`	`All: Updated PB at: ttp://pastebin.com/0Gstr5m3`
`19:29.34`	`*** join/#debian scrimp (~scrimp@75-148-255-165-Houston.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)`
`19:29.46`	`scrimp`	`Anyone know how to get codendi onto debian?`
`19:30.06`	`*** join/#debian JeJe (~JeJE@70.112.9.109.rev.sfr.net)`
`19:32.08`	`*** join/#debian cygnus0111 (~janik@xdsl-83-150-84-65.nebulazone.fi)`
`19:33.47`	`TBotNik`	`Ok I tried echoing the filename and pathname individually and changed the single quote to double quotes but still getting blank vars. What am I doing wrong here?`
`19:33.47`	`jbeatty`	`I'm an xfce user but a bunch of xfce libraries just showed up in my apt-get remove list. I'm on unstable and this happened right after a dist-upgrade.`
`19:34.00`	`*** join/#debian salvin (~salvin@unaffiliated/salvin)`
`19:34.39`	`jbeatty`	`Gagamehl: not always; some password systems place various restrictions like "must have uppercase and lowercase" or "must not contain dictionary words"`
`19:35.22`	`*** join/#debian linuxwizard (~linuxwiza@c-98-213-249-170.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`19:35.25`	`*** join/#debian iter (iter@ralphwiggum.org)`
`19:35.36`	`TBotNik`	`Thanks all, got it, was the spaces aroung the equal "=" signs, Thanks again!!`
`19:36.37`	`Gagamehl`	`jbeatty, that doesn't override the rule`
`19:39.12`	`*** join/#debian n-iCe (~n-iCe@unaffiliated/nice/x-729832)`
`19:39.46`	`*** part/#debian TBotNik (~ndavis@cpe-76-184-53-92.tx.res.rr.com)`
`19:39.52`	`*** join/#debian blzp (~blzpg@S010600259c530357.vn.shawcable.net)`
`19:40.27`	`*** join/#debian ReimuHakurei (~reimu@wireless.sit-co.net)`
`19:40.35`	`MindGeek`	`about debian 6 and core i7 laptops, is there any problem?!`
`19:41.38`	`*** join/#debian inimesekene (~inimeseke@15.229.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee)`
`19:41.55`	`*** join/#debian daedhel (~daedhel@cable-10-158-149.b2b2c.ca)`
`19:42.17`	`*** join/#debian m8 (~mor@unaffiliated/m8)`
`19:42.18`	`*** join/#debian breardo (~breardo@234-200-29-134.hcc.mnscu.edu)`
`19:42.22`	`breardo`	`hello`
`19:42.46`	`MindGeek`	`breardo, hello!`
`19:42.46`	`*** part/#debian n-iCe (~n-iCe@unaffiliated/nice/x-729832)`
`19:42.51`	`jbeatty`	`MindGeek: the processor wouldn't be a problem with the kernel in most cases. a processor is a processor`
`19:42.57`	`jbeatty`	`Optimus systems however are a pain in the ass`
`19:43.10`	`breardo`	`im trying to setup a bridge that has no IP address on it from within /etc/network/interfaces -- I cant set the interface type to manual, as it then ignores my pre-up commands. I cant set it to dhcp, as I don't want an IP address assigned to the bridge, and I also cant use static for the same reason... any pointers?`
`19:44.17`	`MindGeek`	`jbeatty, tanx, but my notebook works really bad with debian, it's performance is really bad! it becomes warm and its fan always is on`
`19:44.33`	`*** join/#debian zir0faive (~zir0faive@rc137-1-82-233-159-60.fbx.proxad.net)`
`19:44.46`	`jbeatty`	`MindGeek: that's probably a problem with the kernel configs, have you tried compiling a new one?`
`19:44.47`	`*** join/#debian mendred (~quassel@2.29.147.10)`
`19:45.07`	`*** join/#debian mns (~mns@c-71-192-48-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`19:45.27`	`*** join/#debian Nicee (~n-iCe@201.144.87.42)`
`19:45.42`	`Nicee`	`please?`
`19:45.45`	`MindGeek`	`jbeatty, yes i did, may i could not config it correctly`
`19:46.20`	`MindGeek`	`jbeatty, but i never have this problem with ubuntu.`
`19:47.08`	`*** join/#debian Nicee (~n-iCe@201.144.87.42)`
`19:48.00`	`*** join/#debian martchukov (~antonm@2001:470:de1e:2:f2de:f1ff:fe56:5326)`
`19:48.07`	`*** join/#debian claviusmond (~hokkaido@74.Red-83-43-124.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`19:49.43`	`jhutchins_lt`	`MindGeek: WHat problem are you having?`
`19:49.55`	`jbeatty`	`jhutchins his fan is going nuts`
`19:50.16`	`MindGeek`	`jhujhiti, yes`
`19:50.31`	`*** join/#debian elgar (~elgar@38.106.144.30)`
`19:50.38`	`jhutchins_lt`	`MindGeek: What kernel are you on?`
`19:51.29`	`MindGeek`	`i'm not using debian now, i'm using ubuntu, I think it was debian 6.0 without kernel update`
`19:52.33`	`*** join/#debian dijenerate (~dijenerat@65.48.199.203)`
`19:52.55`	`MindGeek`	`jhujhiti, I have same problem with fedora! :D`
`19:53.02`	`*** join/#debian Tigerboy (~shamus@pool-108-0-35-40.lsanca.fios.verizon.net)`
`19:53.25`	`jbeatty`	`MindGeek: have you tried using the Ubuntu kernel with Debian?`
`19:55.41`	`MindGeek`	`jbeatty, is it possible?`
`19:56.41`	`MindGeek`	`jbeatty, no`
`19:56.42`	`*** join/#debian pLk (~mail@xdsl-92-252-121-204.dip.osnanet.de)`
`19:57.39`	`*** join/#debian citizen_stig (~citizen_s@109.172.15.23)`
`19:58.03`	`*** join/#debian n-iCe (~n-iCe@unaffiliated/nice/x-729832)`
`19:58.07`	`*** join/#debian gr3 (~trey@cpe-70-113-12-24.austin.res.rr.com)`
`19:58.39`	`n-iCe`	`how do i restart x? From terminal?`
`19:59.05`	`*** join/#debian edog (~edog@alcotrash.org)`
`19:59.25`	`MindGeek`	`n-iCe, service gdm or kdm restart`
`19:59.33`	`*** join/#debian Evixion (~Evixion@67.235.65.140)`
`19:59.51`	`MindGeek`	`n-iCe, or /etc/init.d/gdm or kdm restart`
`20:00.10`	`Iridos`	`gdm is usually gdm3 in squeeze`
`20:00.20`	`MindGeek`	`n-iCe, you must be root or have perm`
`20:00.38`	`MindGeek`	`Iridos, yes gdm3`
`20:00.40`	`*** join/#debian abb-VB22 (~abc@ool-4b7fc343.static.optonline.net)`
`20:01.06`	`*** join/#debian miosx (~miosx@192.6.114.30)`
`20:01.28`	`*** join/#debian Tramp (~mt@46-127-14-44.dynamic.hispeed.ch)`
`20:01.31`	`Iridos`	`n-iCe, or you could hit ctrl-alt-backspace... only that has been disabled by default from squeeze on`
`20:02.06`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`20:02.06`	`*** join/#debian r_a_f (rfa@101-222.echostar.pl)`
`20:02.27`	`*** join/#debian cafuego (~cafuego@luv/admin/cafuego)`
`20:02.38`	`*** join/#debian atlas95 (~cyril@unaffilated/atlas95)`
`20:02.59`	`*** join/#debian envirocbr (~enviro@unaffiliated/envirocbr)`
`20:03.56`	`*** join/#debian CannedCorn (~CannedCor@cpe-66-65-102-78.nyc.res.rr.com)`
`20:04.05`	`*** join/#debian vitplister_ (~mhm@ua-83-227-139-196.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)`
`20:05.05`	`*** join/#debian slvmchn (~slvmecha@c-107-3-93-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`20:05.34`	`*** join/#debian lord_rob (robert@229.201-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)`
`20:05.34`	`*** join/#debian lord_rob (robert@unaffiliated/lord-rob/x-573835)`
`20:05.41`	`*** join/#debian Jussi__ (~jussi@0132700296.0.fullrate.dk)`
`20:05.42`	`*** join/#debian cortexman (~cortexman@mist.colorado.edu)`
`20:06.16`	`*** join/#debian karl_ (~karl@213.47.43.12)`
`20:06.30`	`karl_`	`hey, anyone proficient in quoting care to look at this : http://pastebin.com/NrWRLXAk`
`20:06.42`	`karl_`	`i am at my wits end why that does not work`
`20:06.47`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`20:07.27`	`Tigerboy`	`in squeeze just use ctl-alt-f1 to shut down x then after logging back in as root run gdm3 to get back`
`20:07.33`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`20:07.54`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`20:08.20`	`karlpinc_`	`Tigerboy: ctrl-alt-f1 does not shut down x. X keeps running but you get a terminal.`
`20:08.41`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`20:08.55`	`Tigerboy`	`karlpinc_: it does for me and no other method works`
`20:09.19`	`Tigerboy`	`karlpinc_: i have installed nvidia and ati drivers using that method`
`20:09.22`	`*** join/#debian nomadtacos (~nomad@ip68-107-82-55.sd.sd.cox.net)`
`20:09.34`	`karlpinc_`	`Tigerboy: If you type ctrl-alt-f7 (usually it's f7) you get right back to the running X. You can see it running using 'ps ax'.`
`20:09.59`	`*** part/#debian fbe^ (~becker@static.75.57.4.46.clients.your-server.de)`
`20:10.02`	`Tigerboy`	`karlpinc_: why can't the driver installs see it running`
`20:10.08`	`*** join/#debian PragCypher (~PragCyphe@208.82.216.3)`
`20:10.19`	`Tigerboy`	`Karlpinc: how do you shut down x`
`20:10.27`	`*** join/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`20:10.58`	`*** join/#debian Disputin (~disp@67.23.204.2)`
`20:11.02`	`karl_`	`it has got something to do with bash interpretation, i just cant find what, the command line parameter list works when calling rsync directly, but passing it to a script seems to mungle it: http://pastebin.com/pKznFFgN`
`20:11.03`	`Tigerboy`	`Karlpinc_: none of the normal methods work`
`20:11.04`	`karlpinc_`	`Tigerboy: Depends on how you started it. Usually as other's decribed above. I suppose you could also use "kill -9" to kill it, but I've never tried.`
`20:11.07`	`berarma`	`Tigerboy: you're just changing virtual terminals`
`20:11.17`	`Iridos`	`Tigerboy, we said... as root run /etc/init.d/[kgx]dm* stop`
`20:11.54`	`Tigerboy`	`Karlpinc_: I am running normal gnome installs of squeeze and you cannot shut down x using any normal method`
`20:11.58`	`Iridos`	`karlpinc_, not if it's started via a login manager... those automatically respawn (you can restart it that way, though)`
`20:12.03`	`*** join/#debian phrantiq (~mk@unaffiliated/phrantiq)`
`20:12.22`	`*** join/#debian norbert_ (~norbert@82-171-70-54.ip.telfort.nl)`
`20:12.30`	`*** join/#debian aran (~aran@host196-68-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`20:12.30`	`Tigerboy`	`berarma: when I do ctrl-alt-f1 I am able to install nvidia and ati drivers which require no x running`
`20:12.44`	`Iridos`	`Tigerboy, the method we mentioned _is_ the normal method`
`20:12.54`	`Tigerboy`	`iridos: from gdm3 that doesn't work`
`20:12.55`	`karlpinc_`	`Iridos: I didn't say _what_ to kill -9, did I? ;-)`
`20:13.11`	`Iridos`	`karlpinc_, init?`
`20:13.14`	`*** join/#debian xingu (~xingu@cl-1387.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net)`
`20:13.20`	`karlpinc_`	`Iridos: Even better!`
`20:13.27`	`norbert_`	`hey all, I recently started using two monitors with my nvidia under debian stable and even though my right monitor is set as the default, applications seem to frequently open in the left window; even when I close firefox in the right, it seems to open in the left again... any ideas what I could do about this?`
`20:13.31`	`*** join/#debian ppradhan (~Adium@nagarkot.ddns.uark.edu)`
`20:13.37`	`Tigerboy`	`karlpinc_: no gdm stop doesn't work`
`20:13.48`	`karl_`	`could he not do something like sudo init 1 or sudo init 3 ?`
`20:13.50`	`*** join/#debian inference (~anon@unaffiliated/inference)`
`20:13.57`	`wols_`	`Tigerboy: installing stuff doesn't really require no X running. convenient yes, necessary no`
`20:13.58`	`Tigerboy`	`that is a normal method of stopping x and I said they don't work`
`20:14.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1184] by debhelper`
`20:14.10`	`wols_`	`Tigerboy: are you even running gdm?`
`20:14.12`	`karlpinc_`	`karl_: That too, but that would stop more than just X.`
`20:14.23`	`*** join/#debian smica (~smica@109-61-55-39.adsl-pool.dravanet.hu)`
`20:14.46`	`wols_`	`karl_: runlevel 3 is the same as 2 normally`
`20:14.47`	`*** part/#debian ppradhan (~Adium@nagarkot.ddns.uark.edu)`
`20:14.51`	`Tigerboy`	`the driver packs from nvidia and ati REQUIRE no running x unless you use a directive to undo the requirement which often results in failed installs`
`20:15.06`	`Tigerboy`	`squeeze doesn't use gdm by default`
`20:15.28`	`*** join/#debian Anyvie (~anyvie@ip-60.net-89-3-81.rev.numericable.fr)`
`20:15.30`	`karl_`	`anyone care looking at: http://pastebin.com/pKznFFgN ?`
`20:15.32`	`karl_`	`please ?`
`20:15.44`	`wols_`	`karl_: #bash imho. better chance of help`
`20:16.11`	`wols_`	`Tigerboy: "driver packs" are unsupported here. and I haven't seen debconf checking it yet`
`20:16.18`	`Iridos`	`norbert_, at least full-screen windows seem to choose the monitor the mouse is in. Apart from that, the usual "smart" window placement just tries to find an empty space... when you try to keep most windows on your "primary" monitor, it's not so surprising they pick the other free one`
`20:16.26`	`Tigerboy`	`lol it's like no one has used squeeze in here lol`
`20:16.37`	`*** part/#debian r_a_f (rfa@101-222.echostar.pl)`
`20:17.04`	`Tigerboy`	`i don't think they used gdm since 4`
`20:17.23`	`Iridos`	`Tigerboy, it uses gdm3 by default and I think I said that a couple of times already`
`20:17.39`	`*** join/#debian rvsjoen_ (~rvsjoen@38.79-160-94.customer.lyse.net)`
`20:17.44`	`*** join/#debian dijenerate (~dijenerat@65.48.199.203)`
`20:17.57`	`*** join/#debian ycat (~ycas@chello080108101183.24.11.vie.surfer.at)`
`20:19.09`	`MindGeek`	`i love old fashion, /etc/init.d/gd and 2 tab, gdm or gdm3!`
`20:19.13`	`Iridos`	`Tigger__, and I am just this very moment something that was a default install (upgraded from a fresh lenny) and that still uses the same display manager and I SEE it in the process list right now, so don't try to tell me I got Alzheimer and it's otherweise`
`20:19.25`	`barf`	`What is the minum GUI I can install to make Virtualbox run over X11?`
`20:19.43`	`*** join/#debian SushiDude (~SushiDude@unaffiliated/sushidude)`
`20:19.47`	`Iridos`	`ha, wrong chap`
`20:19.49`	`MindGeek`	`barf, use openbox, or icewm`
`20:20.02`	`Iridos`	`'cause he left`
`20:20.04`	`*** join/#debian abaddon_ (nox@immunix.net)`
`20:20.08`	`lord_rob`	`Hi ! I removed /var/www/ by mistake, what are the permissions of this dir ?`
`20:20.28`	`Anyvie`	`www-data:www-data 755`
`20:20.33`	`lord_rob`	`and the owner`
`20:20.38`	`*** join/#debian alfplayer_ (~quassel@190.193.147.40)`
`20:20.44`	`lord_rob`	`ok thank you Anyvie`
`20:20.48`	`Anyvie`	`yw`
`20:21.05`	`*** join/#debian bregma (~stephenw@74.198.165.19)`
`20:21.09`	`Iridos`	`really? I got root:root`
`20:21.21`	`*** join/#debian AlertEye (~ertyle@unaffiliated/ertyle)`
`20:21.27`	`wols_`	`barf: you don't need anything, just X and then running VBox if you want to.`
`20:21.36`	`*** join/#debian p3rror (~mezgani@2001:470:1f0b:c66:1::2)`
`20:21.39`	`Iridos`	`lord_rob, anyway, doesn't matter, just make sure everyone (and specially the web server) has read access`
`20:22.22`	`wols_`	`lord_rob: and make sure www-data has no write access`
`20:22.32`	`norbert_`	`Iridos: should I patch Metacity to change its smart window placement?`
`20:23.01`	`*** join/#debian alfplayer (~quassel@190.193.147.40)`
`20:23.05`	`lord_rob`	`who's www-data ?`
`20:23.25`	`Anyvie`	`apache's owner`
`20:23.31`	`*** join/#debian late (~chatzilla@221.201.125.85)`
`20:23.33`	`lord_rob`	`ok`
`20:23.38`	`lord_rob`	`indeed then`
`20:24.39`	`*** join/#debian LjL (~ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl)`
`20:25.19`	`wols_`	`www-data is the user id apache runs under`
`20:26.33`	`*** join/#debian chasing_Sol (~chasingSo@82.201.135.150)`
`20:28.18`	`Iridos`	`norbert_, usually you can configure the WM ... what exact options you have depends on the WM, though... hm... seems this guy had the same problem? http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2010/10/metacity_window_placement/ (that was actually google hit #1 on >>metacity window placement<<)`
`20:28.47`	`*** join/#debian Antimony (429c5afa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.156.90.250)`
`20:29.56`	`*** join/#debian bizy_ (~bizy@184.105.219.128)`
`20:30.52`	`*** join/#debian lord_rob (robert@229.201-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be)`
`20:30.52`	`*** join/#debian lord_rob (robert@unaffiliated/lord-rob/x-573835)`
`20:30.54`	`bizy_`	`could some one please point me in the direction of the debain stable repo address list.`
`20:31.01`	`bizy_`	`that also includes the non-free`
`20:31.09`	`bizy_`	`Im having a heck of a time fiding through google.`
`20:31.31`	`norbert_`	`Iridos: hum... I did try Google several times, maybe I used too many keywords`
`20:31.38`	`MindGeek`	`bizy, try wikipedia`
`20:31.49`	`*** join/#debian byone (byone@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-whvmwhjhgzzlijfh)`
`20:31.55`	`*** join/#debian alfplayer_ (~quassel@190.193.147.40)`
`20:32.04`	`bizy_`	`MindGeek, can i get a link.`
`20:32.26`	`*** join/#debian late (~chatzilla@221.201.125.85)`
`20:32.42`	`*** join/#debian carandraug (~carandrau@octave/developer/carandraug)`
`20:33.00`	`*** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@187.127.114.245)`
`20:33.00`	`*** join/#debian Soul_Eater (~marcelo@unaffiliated/soul-eater/x-4649632)`
`20:33.10`	`Iridos`	`norbert_, or we're in different filter bubbles...`
`20:33.21`	`norbert_`	`yeah, that's possible`
`20:33.57`	`Iridos`	`norbert_, ( http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles.html )`
`20:34.54`	`MindGeek`	`bizy, this a sample for debian 4, just rename debian name, http://www.visoracle.com/vm/debian40/sourceslist.html`
`20:35.21`	`MindGeek`	`bizy, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free`
`20:35.31`	`bizy_`	`MindGeek, thanks!`
`20:36.02`	`norbert_`	`Iridos: I know it's happening`
`20:36.08`	`abrotman`	`bizy_: FWIW, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ has a few I believe`
`20:36.27`	`norbert_`	`Google even has its own page to go back the the default search for SEO purposes, I think`
`20:36.30`	`*** join/#debian Kharec (~Kharec@ALyon-254-1-82-147.w86-202.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`20:36.37`	`Kharec`	`Good evening.`
`20:37.04`	`Antimony`	`I am trying to configure syslogd but the file /etc/syslog.conf does not exist. What should I do?`
`20:37.16`	`*** join/#debian crypted (~doobie@ip72-198-74-111.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`20:37.34`	`Kharec`	`Is there Iceweasel users here? I would like to know why, when I'm opening an iceweasel window, does it open several processus, with different PID? It sucks memory!`
`20:37.45`	`*** join/#debian alfplayer (~quassel@190.193.147.40)`
`20:39.14`	`Iridos`	`Antimony, perhaps running dpkg -l '*syslog' sheds some light on that issue for you :)`
`20:39.25`	`*** join/#debian sjs205 (~sjs205@host86-160-116-164.range86-160.btcentralplus.com)`
`20:40.14`	`*** join/#debian CybDev (cybdev@abducted.by.aliens.org)`
`20:40.14`	`*** join/#debian CybDev (cybdev@unaffiliated/cybdev)`
`20:40.30`	`*** join/#debian wontoner (adc86475@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.200.100.117)`
`20:40.48`	`inference`	`kharec.. use icecat.. iceweasel is deprecated`
`20:40.51`	`Antimony`	`thanks`
`20:41.33`	`inference`	`doot do doo, downloading 70mb of libraries to get this dumb game to compile`
`20:41.45`	`*** join/#debian Daniel0108 (~Daniel010@unaffiliated/daniel0108)`
`20:41.58`	`Kharec`	`inference: My question was "why".`
`20:42.08`	`*** join/#debian LjL (~ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl)`
`20:42.16`	`*** join/#debian corretico (~luis@201.201.44.82)`
`20:42.26`	`Anyvie`	`=)`
`20:42.29`	`Anyvie`	`What game ?`
`20:42.30`	`Kharec`	`not "How to avoid that?".`
`20:42.31`	`*** join/#debian jodeba_ (~debel@2.106.92.62)`
`20:42.31`	`Iridos`	`Kharec, it's doing that anyway...`
`20:42.46`	`inference`	`because you are using an outdated piece of software, lol`
`20:42.50`	`abrotman`	`inference: wtf`
`20:42.58`	`abrotman`	`Kharec: use Iceweasel .. ignore inference`
`20:43.05`	`*** join/#debian mastroDani (~Daniele@host201-64-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`20:43.10`	`inference`	`trying to compile redeclipse`
`20:43.25`	`Iridos`	`Kharec, and I would _guess_ that it's because it also started implementing sandboxes for each page at some point (or so I read, I stopped using it on squeeze)`
`20:43.43`	`inference`	`abrotman, i have had nothing but blue skies since i got icecat 5 and removed iceweasel`
`20:44.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1172] by debhelper`
`20:44.08`	`abrotman`	`inference: good for you .. it's not packaged for Debian, and you didn't answer his question, not even close .. pretty much a useless answer`
`20:44.09`	`Iridos`	`maybe, but without rain, the crops die and the people die of starvation`
`20:44.23`	`*** join/#debian BaseBallBoy (cf9d233c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.157.35.60)`
`20:44.24`	`inference`	`it's totally packaged for deb, lol`
`20:44.24`	`*** join/#debian juji (~j@95.237.8.193)`
`20:44.30`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions icecat`
`20:44.31`	`judd`	`Sorry, no package named 'icecat' was found in i386.`
`20:44.41`	`*** join/#debian BaseBallBoy (cf9d233c@unaffiliated/baseballboy)`
`20:44.41`	`*** join/#debian BaseBallBoy (cf9d233c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.207.157.35.60)`
`20:44.46`	`Anyvie`	`XD`
`20:44.48`	`abrotman`	`Kharec: there is some isolation, if you mean the xulrunner processes ?`
`20:45.19`	`*** join/#debian daedhel (~daedhel@cable-10-158-149.b2b2c.ca)`
`20:45.28`	`abrotman`	`Kharec: and there is an individual xulrunner process per some of the plugins also`
`20:45.35`	`*** join/#debian omeddragon (~omeddrago@pool-71-178-234-18.washdc.fios.verizon.net)`
`20:46.11`	`BaseBallBoy`	`okay so I have an HP Compaq miccro tower, I'm trying to setup dual monitors, when I put the video card in I can only load 1 monitor though. the onboard VGA port won't show anything, when I take out the video card, it will`
`20:46.19`	`BaseBallBoy`	`And I'm using debian 6.0`
`20:46.41`	`*** join/#debian titacgs (~titacgs@2001:41b8:203:dc11:218:deff:fe0c:2c04)`
`20:46.43`	`abrotman`	`BaseBallBoy: did you check your BIOS to see if that will even work ?`
`20:46.45`	`*** join/#debian dserban (~dserban@24.67.96.21)`
`20:47.03`	`Iridos`	`perhaps he meant icedax`
`20:47.08`	`Kharec`	`abrotman: no any plugin use. But thanks!`
`20:47.36`	`abrotman`	`Kharec: you can look and see what they are doing`
`20:47.51`	`BaseBallBoy`	`abrotman: no, I figured it would just be like plug 'n play`
`20:48.01`	`BaseBallBoy`	`but I will check`
`20:48.10`	`dserban`	`is there a small tool that will output the attributes of an mp3 file? I have id3's covered, but I want, bitrate, stereo, vbr etc...`
`20:48.14`	`BaseBallBoy`	`brb`
`20:48.20`	`*** join/#debian sjs205 (~sjs205@host86-160-116-164.range86-160.btcentralplus.com)`
`20:48.24`	`abrotman`	`basegrrrrrrrrrrrr`
`20:48.44`	`abrotman`	`dserban: 'file'`
`20:48.49`	`*** join/#debian Kaede (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede)`
`20:49.05`	`Kharec`	`abrotman: That's what I'm doing now. And nothing's suspect.`
`20:49.20`	`*** join/#debian crypted (~doobie@ip72-198-74-111.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`20:50.03`	`abrotman`	`Kharec: the IW3.x series is known to be a bit of a memory hog .. they're working toward getitng that footprint down with current and future releases`
`20:50.12`	`*** join/#debian mastro (~daniele@host201-64-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)`
`20:50.23`	`*** join/#debian citizen-stig_ (~citizen@31.130.208.1)`
`20:50.31`	`pyroscope`	`dserban: mediainfo`
`20:50.40`	`dserban`	`wow, heh.. never thought of that one`
`20:51.02`	`pyroscope`	`it's... media :>`
`20:51.38`	`dserban`	`oh no, file.. :)`
`20:51.49`	`*** join/#debian gpab (~quassel@73-229-231-201.fibertel.com.ar)`
`20:52.26`	`*** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@85-127-212-172.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at)`
`20:52.38`	`Iridos`	`duh... icecat... they could have chosen a name that doesn't so closely resemble the debian forks`
`20:53.30`	`abrotman`	`Iridos: IIRC, it had that name before Debian chose theirs`
`20:54.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1166] by debhelper`
`20:54.04`	`Iridos`	`abrotman, no... the webpage says they even first chose "iceweasel" as well, but "that was confusing"`
`20:54.17`	`abrotman`	`ah well .. close enough :)`
`20:54.52`	`jbeatty`	`Iridos: GNU IceCat was Iceweasel before Debian rebranded it to Iceweasel`
`20:55.26`	`jbeatty`	`GNU IceWeasel is from 2005, Debian's IceWeasel is from 2006`
`20:55.45`	`Corey`	`If I want to create a dpkg from CPAN, is there a tool that'll do it in a semi-automated way?`
`20:56.46`	`*** part/#debian xxtjaxx (~andreas@kde/developer/marschke)`
`20:57.24`	`*** join/#debian debsan (~debsan@190.245.74.16)`
`20:57.28`	`*** join/#debian bst (~bst@net240-0-245-109.mbb.telenor.rs)`
`20:57.32`	`*** join/#debian jetblack (~jetblack@99-32-20-118.lightspeed.elgnil.sbcglobal.net)`
`20:59.41`	`Iridos`	`what has dpkg to do with cpan?`
`20:59.44`	`*** join/#debian elkclone (~patrick@d75-157-200-19.bchsia.telus.net)`
`20:59.51`	`*** join/#debian elkclone (~patrick@shellium/member/elkclone)`
`21:00.04`	`*** join/#debian null815 (~dgm_077@port-92-206-4-158.dynamic.qsc.de)`
`21:01.08`	`wols_`	`Iridos: a .deb package from CPAN.`
`21:01.15`	`wols_`	`Corey: dh-make-perl`
`21:01.23`	`Iridos`	`ah`
`21:01.56`	`*** join/#debian _theradar (yamabushi@grid9.quadspeedi.net)`
`21:02.07`	`Iridos`	`wols_, it's again like jeopardy, only you're not only supposed to guess the question, but also to answer it`
`21:02.37`	`*** join/#debian Thedemon007 (~alberto@201.242.73.100)`
`21:04.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1156] by debhelper`
`21:04.06`	`*** join/#debian aucabarcas (~netexpert@2001:470:5:44d:226:c7ff:fe73:a9e6)`
`21:04.32`	`*** join/#debian r3r3 (~r3r3@178-83-191-194.dynamic.hispeed.ch)`
`21:04.33`	`jbeatty`	`why does apt want to remove all of my xfce4 libraries after a dist-upgrade?`
`21:04.47`	`*** join/#debian guampa (~guampa@unaffiliated/guampa)`
`21:05.30`	`*** part/#debian Thedemon007 (~alberto@201.242.73.100)`
`21:06.17`	`*** join/#debian blz (~blzpg@S010600259c530357.vn.shawcable.net)`
`21:06.45`	`*** join/#debian songer (~songer@108-80-22-57.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net)`
`21:07.59`	`*** join/#debian geggam (~dan@173-164-150-189-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)`
`21:08.00`	`*** join/#debian TBotNik (~ndavis@cpe-76-184-53-92.tx.res.rr.com)`
`21:08.02`	`*** part/#debian MindGeek (~mindgeek@69.175.64.136)`
`21:09.58`	`*** join/#debian Evixion (~Evixion@67.235.65.140)`
`21:11.08`	`Iridos`	`jbeatty, aptitude why-not somepackage`
`21:11.30`	`*** join/#debian gentgeen__ (~kevin@c-98-236-71-64.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`21:12.23`	`*** part/#debian giantkiar (~giantkiar@unaffiliated/giantkiar)`
`21:12.30`	`*** join/#debian Striktarn (~Striktarn@c83-249-217-63.bredband.comhem.se)`
`21:13.39`	`krakrjak`	`jbeatty: are they marked as Automatically installed?`
`21:13.51`	`*** join/#debian c2pLaY (~yep@S01060026f3c71ae8.cg.shawcable.net)`
`21:13.51`	`*** join/#debian c2pLaY (~yep@unaffiliated/c2play)`
`21:14.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1150] by debhelper`
`21:14.05`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: what are you upgrading from/to?`
`21:14.40`	`jbeatty`	`twobitsprite: I've been on testing for a while. Some packages were getting held back due to dependencies and I did dist-upgrade, then this started`
`21:14.41`	`*** join/#debian Urlaub (~daniel@dslb-092-072-130-075.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`21:14.56`	`*** join/#debian gpsietzema (~gpsietzem@188.201.167.121)`
`21:16.05`	`*** join/#debian znh (~john@unaffiliated/znh)`
`21:16.09`	`*** join/#debian mican_ (~con@117.192.104.202)`
`21:16.13`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: ahh... did the aptitude why-not command help? if not, you can pastebin the output to the dist-upgrade and the why-not and we can look it over`
`21:16.21`	`znh`	`Hi. can I use both onboard and AGP videocard for dualscreen?`
`21:16.34`	`jbeatty`	`no, it didn't help. it always says "Unable to find a reason to remove $foo."`
`21:17.00`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: can you pastebin the full output of both?`
`21:17.04`	`dserban`	`scary stuff, yeah, aptitude is somewhat brain-dead, but it can only be as good as the data provided...`
`21:17.29`	`jbeatty`	`twobitsprite: where to find the output of a command I ran last night?`
`21:17.56`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: you don't... did you let it uninstall xfce, or did you exit out?`
`21:18.06`	`dserban`	`funny thing though, I was just purging my xfce install... and it wanted to remove xorg... uhh.. no, I'm using X thanks :)`
`21:18.58`	`krakrjak`	`jbeatty: you can past the dpkg.log file /var/log/dpkg.log`
`21:19.03`	`krakrjak`	`paste`
`21:19.10`	`twobitsprite`	`pastebin`
`21:19.11`	`twobitsprite`	`:P`
`21:19.16`	`krakrjak`	`even better!`
`21:19.37`	`*** join/#debian tuvwx_ (~tuv@ak1.ece.queensu.ca)`
`21:20.27`	`*** join/#debian aLgEBrA (~holger@p1-004.pptp.ggew-net.de)`
`21:21.16`	`*** join/#debian kaluva (~daniel@dslb-188-105-114-223.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`21:21.47`	`*** join/#debian gentgeen__ (~kevin@c-98-236-71-64.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`21:21.52`	`jbeatty`	`twobitsprite: I'm pretty sure it didn't uninstall xfce. I've rebooted since and everything is still here.`
`21:22.03`	`kaluva`	`Oh my god. ntfs-3g in squeeze is so slow, I can't believe it's not a snail.`
`21:22.13`	`jbeatty`	`but when I try to install "xfce4", it says it's already installed.`
`21:22.54`	`*** join/#debian jujii (~j@95.237.8.193)`
`21:23.04`	`jbeatty`	`pasting`
`21:23.17`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: ok.... well try running "aptitude dist-upgrade -s" and pastebin the output of that`
`21:24.30`	`*** join/#debian apelgate (~apel@h-16-247.a328.priv.bahnhof.se)`
`21:24.47`	`jbeatty`	`http://pastie.org/2270588`
`21:24.51`	`*** join/#debian spal (~susam@pdpc/supporter/active/spal)`
`21:24.53`	`jbeatty`	`that's it.`
`21:25.24`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: hmm... doesn't look like it's trying to remove xfce now... are you sure it wanted to remove it before?`
`21:26.25`	`jbeatty`	`twobitsprite: weird. It just went away in the past few minutes.`
`21:26.47`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: you might have caught the mirror in the middle of syncing and it had broken depends`
`21:26.56`	`*** join/#debian m4v (~znc@unaffiliated/m4v)`
`21:26.58`	`twobitsprite`	`have you updated since you last tried it?`
`21:27.22`	`jbeatty`	`twobitsprite: yes, multiple times`
`21:27.29`	`twobitsprite`	`yeah, that's probably what it was`
`21:27.41`	`twobitsprite`	`happens sometimes with testing if you time it just right`
`21:27.58`	`jbeatty`	`OK. Thank you.`
`21:28.21`	`*** join/#debian bint (bint@cable-static-220-208.intergga.ch)`
`21:28.30`	`twobitsprite`	`np`
`21:28.54`	`*** join/#debian AciD__ (~quassel@bro29-2-88-164-249-75.fbx.proxad.net)`
`21:28.55`	`*** join/#debian inference (~anon@unaffiliated/inference)`
`21:29.05`	`dserban`	`on the topic of aptitude... I forget how to search for configured pkgs (not purged) ... I vaguely remember '~C' .. I'm wrong though as "aptitude search '~C'" throws me an error`
`21:29.10`	`twobitsprite`	`jbeatty: as a general rule of thumb while running testing, if at any time apt wants to remove a lot of packages, something is probably broken on the repo and you should wait a bit before trying again`
`21:29.48`	`jbeatty`	`twobitsprite: makes sense`
`21:29.56`	`abrotman`	`dserban: ~c ?`
`21:30.07`	`twobitsprite`	`just takes time for all the new packages to get merged in and rsynced to all the mirrors`
`21:30.21`	`*** join/#debian sinisterstuf (~sion@PPK-BR02-41-182-108-18.ipb.na)`
`21:30.32`	`dserban`	`abrotman: thanks again ... :)`
`21:31.43`	`*** join/#debian jetscreamer (~jetscream@unaffiliated/jetscreamer)`
`21:32.33`	`sinisterstuf`	`hi, I'm trying to connect via wireless from my laptop to my desktop, the laptop is running archlinux and has connected to other networks, the desktop is running debian and can connect... to itself. When I do a scan I get no results, I think the network is hidden, how can I either "unhide" it or connect "manually" to a hidden network...`
`21:33.15`	`sinisterstuf`	`I guess the question is how to make a wifi network on a debian machine visible?`
`21:33.20`	`*** join/#debian Djehuty-X (~erick@pool-108-11-196-78.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`21:33.49`	`*** part/#debian Djehuty-X (~erick@pool-108-11-196-78.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net)`
`21:34.04`	`kaluva`	`sinisterstuf: I guess you are doing this in ad-hoc mode?`
`21:34.18`	`sinisterstuf`	`as far as I know, yes`
`21:34.35`	`kaluva`	`sinisterstuf: Well, how did you configure the desktop?`
`21:34.44`	`sinisterstuf`	`as-hoc is what's selected in network manager on debian`
`21:35.08`	`kaluva`	`Oh, okay. I see. You did set an ssid?`
`21:35.11`	`*** join/#debian Tom012 (~Tom@p5DDFFC92.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`21:35.15`	`sinisterstuf`	`I clicked the network icon in the tray and selected create new wireless network`
`21:35.23`	`sinisterstuf`	`yes, I have`
`21:35.28`	`*** join/#debian Merbo (Merbo@unaffiliated/merbo)`
`21:35.45`	`sinisterstuf`	`but not a BSSID, I don't know what that is`
`21:36.04`	`barf`	`libx11 is a dependency of bootstrap? vim? or openssh-server?`
`21:36.23`	`Merbo`	`How exactly can I set up Debian to have a network+ssh server in VMWare workstation with the NAT format of network adapter?`
`21:37.18`	`*** join/#debian war9407 (war@c-71-62-61-74.hsd1.va.comcast.net)`
`21:38.15`	`kaluva`	`sinisterstuf: I remember sometimes having trouble with this. Can you set a channel for the network? If yes, try that.`
`21:38.21`	`*** part/#debian Hachya (~Hachya@mail.jahall.com)`
`21:39.05`	`sinisterstuf`	`kaluva: does "channel" go by another name in network manager? I don't see any such option...`
`21:39.44`	`abrotman`	`Merbo: you generally do it with bridging .. NAT makes it harder`
`21:39.57`	`kaluva`	`sinisterstuf: Frequency`
`21:40.24`	`Merbo`	`abrotman: Okay, so if i bridge i should portforward to host ip?`
`21:40.44`	`*** join/#debian slvmchn (~slvmecha@c-107-3-93-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`21:40.55`	`abrotman`	`huh?`
`21:40.57`	`sinisterstuf`	`kaluva: no such option either, how about MTU?`
`21:41.15`	`kaluva`	`sinisterstuf: No, that's something else`
`21:41.17`	`*** join/#debian milsabor (~Etienne@ip-136.net-81-220-121.rev.numericable.fr)`
`21:41.27`	`Merbo`	`abrotman: If im using portfarwarding on my router, is the guest internal ip the same as the host?`
`21:41.43`	`milsabor`	`guys, i need help`
`21:42.08`	`barf`	`Merbo: why NAT on vmachine?`
`21:42.15`	`*** join/#debian sphenxes (~sphenxes@85-127-212-172.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at)`
`21:42.27`	`barf`	`bridging is the way to go`
`21:42.27`	`Merbo`	`deafult setting, ive been told bridging is best so now i mbridging`
`21:42.44`	`*** join/#debian kristian-aalborg (~kristian@2505ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk)`
`21:42.46`	`kristian-aalborg`	`hi all`
`21:42.47`	`kaluva`	`sinisterstuf: Might be you can't make it visible. You can just tell the laptop to connect to "SomeSSID" even thought it's not visible in the scan, though.`
`21:43.02`	`kristian-aalborg`	`just succeded in putting squeeze on Compact Flash`
`21:43.09`	`kristian-aalborg`	`I used ext2 and no swap`
`21:43.17`	`kristian-aalborg`	`is there anything I should know?`
`21:43.52`	`milsabor`	`I need to install debian on my computer, a soy vaion z13a7, with hybrid graphic card, and to do this I need an iso cd image providing squeeze with a 2.6.37 kernel version at last, where can i find this ? (the latest iso image for squeeze provided on the debian website has a 2.6.32 kernel version ...)`
`21:44.01`	`*** join/#debian lollo64it (~lorenzo@93-58-3-33.ip156.fastwebnet.it)`
`21:44.05`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: Seems you already know that swap on flash cards isn't a good idea ;-)`
`21:44.22`	`twobitsprite`	`,kernels`
`21:44.22`	`judd`	`Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.0.0-rc6-686-pae (3.0.0~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3)`
`21:44.30`	`sinisterstuf`	`kaluva: neither iwlist scan nor wicd return any results, could I tell either of them to look for a specific network?`
`21:44.34`	`*** join/#debian skrewler (~skrewler@209.213.206.58)`
`21:44.46`	`twobitsprite`	`milsabor: looks like you'll need to try your luck with a wheezy snapshot cd`
`21:44.58`	`kristian-aalborg`	`milsabor, netinstall?`
`21:45.21`	`milsabor`	`yes, I don't have a cd reader ..`
`21:46.49`	`milsabor`	`wheezy, ok, so it's unstable, but it should work, right ?`
`21:46.55`	`kaluva`	`sinisterstuf: No, you can't tell them to scan for ssid "something", but you can just say connect to ssid "something". At least the command line allows that, and network manager should to. Maybe there's a "Connect to hidden network" button?`
`21:47.13`	`twobitsprite`	`milsabor: there's also this, but it's unofficial: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/`
`21:47.30`	`twobitsprite`	`looks like they have the squeeze-backports kernel on a d-i cd`
`21:48.14`	`TBotNik`	`All: Hey guys almost got my ICS working from wlan0 to eth0. Have my lastest post at FORUM: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804424&page=2 PB: http://pastebin.com/ZaahMihm Can use the help, close but not there yet. Confused by the pahntom IP addresses from nowhere. Hve been concentrating on simply getting the DHCP server working, which has not happened yet. All help appreciated. Thanks!`
`21:48.29`	`milsabor`	`well, sounds pretty risky, but thanks for help, I'm going to try this`
`21:49.14`	`*** join/#debian timw (~timw@dyn-62-56-105-13.dslaccess.co.uk)`
`21:49.14`	`*** join/#debian SushiDude (~SushiDude@cpe-66-67-54-249.rochester.res.rr.com)`
`21:49.14`	`*** join/#debian SushiDude (~SushiDude@unaffiliated/sushidude)`
`21:49.59`	`*** part/#debian Merbo (Merbo@unaffiliated/merbo)`
`21:50.09`	`*** join/#debian asias_ (~asias@lifeatwarp10.com)`
`21:50.10`	`kristian-aalborg`	`milsabor, my install is 90 % done`
`21:50.27`	`kristian-aalborg`	`squeezy netinstall... will let you know the kernel number when I can`
`21:50.40`	`*** part/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman)`
`21:50.40`	`*** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman)`
`21:51.22`	`sinisterstuf`	`kaluva: I think I got it working, brb, thanks for your help!`
`21:52.33`	`*** join/#debian balleyne (~balleyne@206-248-136-28.dsl.teksavvy.com)`
`21:53.10`	`*** join/#debian kaeos (~Miranda@90.164.135.241)`
`21:54.11`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`21:55.22`	`kristian-aalborg`	`hmm`
`21:55.35`	`kristian-aalborg`	`can I switch to tty2 and not lose anything?`
`21:55.53`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: You'll lose the scrollback buffer, but nothing else`
`21:55.57`	`kristian-aalborg`	`the install seems to have stalled... it says "receiving file 1 of 73"`
`21:56.46`	`*** join/#debian adb (~Moldovean@178-211-230-159.dhcp.voenergies.net)`
`21:56.58`	`kristian-aalborg`	`I am at "select and install software"`
`21:57.17`	`kristian-aalborg`	`I get a busybox on tty2... I was looking for some output as to what happens`
`21:57.31`	`TBotNik`	`Repeating: All: Hey guys almost got my ICS working from wlan0 to eth0. Have my lastest post at FORUM: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804424&page=2 PB: http://pastebin.com/ZaahMihm Can use the help, close but not there yet. Confused by the pahntom IP addresses from nowhere. Hve been concentrating on simply getting the DHCP server working, which has not happened yet. All help appreciated. Thanks!`
`21:57.58`	`th0r`	`kristian-aalborg: sounds like either you lost the internet connection or the repo you chose is posing a problem`
`21:58.16`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: One thing I just thought of - the CF card might easily get different device numbers in different PCs, so you should make sure to use labels or UUIDs whereever you need this kind of thing`
`21:59.06`	`kristian-aalborg`	`http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12259`
`21:59.25`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, will keep that in mind if there's some kind of trouble`
`21:59.45`	`*** join/#debian dzup (~dzup@unaffiliated/dzup)`
`22:00.37`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: Possible, but I don't think that's it.`
`22:00.46`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: Does that busybox have strace?`
`22:01.46`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: Of course, you can check top first to see if there's any activity at all`
`22:02.40`	`*** join/#debian mentor (~mentor@178.16.0.184)`
`22:03.01`	`*** join/#debian Totor (~oser@4aa54-4-82-234-150-40.fbx.proxad.net)`
`22:03.32`	`*** join/#debian Caso (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout)`
`22:04.07`	`tuvwx`	`in xterm, C-v M-left prints ^[[D, which is what i get for C-v left (without meta/alt). in gnome-terminal, C-v M-left prints ^[[1;3D -- how do i get alt-left (and other arrow keys) to work correctly in xterm? (xterm 270)`
`22:04.27`	`*** join/#debian Guest52597 (~mentor@unaffiliated/mentor)`
`22:04.56`	`*** join/#debian martin2df (~quassel@212.43.58.82)`
`22:05.29`	`kaluva`	`tuvwx: I'd suggest not bothering with xterm. If you insist, check what TERM is set to in xterm and gnome-terminal`
`22:06.03`	`*** part/#debian milsabor (~Etienne@ip-136.net-81-220-121.rev.numericable.fr)`
`22:06.46`	`*** join/#debian wissem (~wissem@unaffiliated/wissem)`
`22:06.53`	`*** join/#debian ctmjr (~chuck@unaffiliated/ctmjr)`
`22:06.57`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, I killed aptitude`
`22:07.38`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: What did you do that for?`
`22:07.50`	`tuvwx`	`kaluva: TERM is xterm on both`
`22:07.56`	`*** part/#debian cshore (~thecshore@2002:45a5:db3a::1)`
`22:08.28`	`*** join/#debian skrewler_ (~skrewler@209.213.206.58)`
`22:08.59`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, because it stalled`
`22:09.22`	`kristian-aalborg`	`there was some tip about chroot'ing stuff, but that's a bit too advanced for me`
`22:09.22`	`*** join/#debian Kaede (~Kaede@unaffiliated/kaede)`
`22:09.34`	`kaluva`	`tuvwx: Hmm. I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. I think the manpage would be next`
`22:09.39`	`kristian-aalborg`	`I guess I can install things as I need it?`
`22:09.50`	`kristian-aalborg`	`(need them)`
`22:10.08`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: You killed while it was downloading the first package, right?`
`22:10.44`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, yes`
`22:10.59`	`kristian-aalborg`	`or, to be exact... was not downloading it`
`22:11.24`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: But you've already booted into the new system correct? Once or twice?`
`22:11.25`	`kristian-aalborg`	`it's some bug or other in the installer, it seems... some pkp key which is not up to date`
`22:11.36`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, no, still installing`
`22:11.44`	`*** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`22:11.48`	`kristian-aalborg`	`I was using past tense out of exitement`
`22:12.10`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: That thread you linked was from 2007 for a one time bug. What makes you so sure it's happening again?`
`22:12.15`	`*** join/#debian claw (~claw@109.73.51.163)`
`22:13.14`	`*** join/#debian Disputin (~disp@67.23.204.2)`
`22:14.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1144] by debhelper`
`22:14.09`	`kristian-aalborg`	`http://www.google.dk/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF-8&q=%22retrieving+file+1+of+73%22#sclient=psy&hl=da&client=ubuntu&hs=mlo&channel=cs&source=hp&q=%22select+and+install+software%22+debian+stalled&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d474897079cc0c70&biw=1600&bih=1082`
`22:14.54`	`*** join/#debian Gottaname (~Gottaname@bb116-14-195-226.singnet.com.sg)`
`22:16.32`	`abrotman`	`which installer do you have?`
`22:17.48`	`*** join/#debian faoiseamh (~f@c-68-82-183-77.hsd1.de.comcast.net)`
`22:19.08`	`faoiseamh`	`i was trying to install MTAs exim4 then sendmail then postfix and finally gave up and want to just use /usr/sbin/sendmail again but it doesn't seem to work anymore - any ideas?`
`22:19.28`	`*** join/#debian jrib (~jrib@upstream/dev/jrib)`
`22:19.39`	`faoiseamh`	`i may have changed the config for sendmail b/c i wasn't aware sendmail and the MTA/smtp sendmail were the same thing - thought sendmail was just a simple bin that could construct + send an email`
`22:19.58`	`valdyn`	`faoiseamh: all those MTAs provide /usr/sbin/sendmail`
`22:20.14`	`kristian-aalborg`	`abrotman, I have squeeze netinstall... I got it a long time ago`
`22:20.16`	`faoiseamh`	`right, meaning sendmail relays to each of them dependin gon which is setup?`
`22:20.17`	`valdyn`	`faoiseamh: or in other words, sendmail is part of an MTA, not something seperate`
`22:20.27`	`abrotman`	`kristian-aalborg: you probably want to get a newer one`
`22:20.27`	`faoiseamh`	`yeah that's what i've discovered`
`22:20.46`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: Also, which mirror are you using right now?`
`22:21.06`	`faoiseamh`	`i really just want to do what a nullclient (i think) does - send emails but not receive them`
`22:21.15`	`faoiseamh`	`i don't have a relay or anything but it was working fine before i did all of this`
`22:21.16`	`faoiseamh`	`any ideas?`
`22:21.20`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, the danish one`
`22:21.21`	`valdyn`	`faoiseamh: ok ill give you the debian default: aptitude install exim4 exim4-config and if necessary "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config"`
`22:21.27`	`*** part/#debian tessellated (~mih@91-115-108-108.adsl.highway.telekom.at)`
`22:21.34`	`kristian-aalborg`	`ftp.dk.debian.org, I think`
`22:21.39`	`*** join/#debian NoOova_away (~NoOova@unaffiliated/nooova)`
`22:21.50`	`*** join/#debian fpu (~nonperson@178-36-10-210.adsl.inetia.pl)`
`22:21.52`	`fpu`	`hey guys`
`22:21.55`	`fpu`	`I have problem with xtrlock`
`22:22.01`	`fpu`	`"password entry has no pwd"`
`22:22.20`	`faoiseamh`	`that says it will remove sendmail valdyn`
`22:22.33`	`*** join/#debian jillsmitt (~jillsmitt@84.240.194.0)`
`22:22.33`	`valdyn`	`faoiseamh: thats fine, you really dont want sendmail`
`22:22.37`	`faoiseamh`	`ok`
`22:23.01`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg:Hm, no problems for me getting to this server. Still, might try a different one`
`22:23.07`	`*** join/#debian harovali1 (~harovali@r190-64-143-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`22:23.15`	`valdyn`	`faoiseamh: sure sendmail has its place, but thats defenitely not your system ;)`
`22:23.28`	`*** join/#debian Guerin (~lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net)`
`22:23.43`	`kaluva`	`valdyn: Actually, for most people exim4 ist overkill`
`22:23.56`	`*** join/#debian harovali (~harovali@r190-64-143-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy)`
`22:24.16`	`valdyn`	`kaluva: not a problem`
`22:24.30`	`kristian-aalborg`	`btw, I have a question: will the installer ever "assume" something or always wait for input?`
`22:25.03`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: When it does ask, it will wait. But you can tell it not to ask you at all`
`22:25.15`	`*** part/#debian fpu (~nonperson@178-36-10-210.adsl.inetia.pl)`
`22:25.31`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, ok`
`22:26.03`	`kristian-aalborg`	`but nothing like "okay, I waited five mins for this guy, now he gets the Bebian desktop"?`
`22:26.08`	`harovali`	`hi , I have an iso image of a woody system, and I'd like cdeboostrap to grab the packages from the image. I tried the following command, but fails with an error message. The command I tried is`
`22:26.09`	`harovali`	`cdebootstrap woody /destination/ /loopbakmountediso`
`22:26.27`	`harovali`	`the error is E: Invalid mirror: can't find scheme`
`22:26.31`	`harovali`	`any hint ?`
`22:26.40`	`valdyn`	`harovali: i think you should use debootstrap in the first place`
`22:26.56`	`*** join/#debian RhanisRho (~stuckey@97-82-32-33.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com)`
`22:27.01`	`harovali`	`valdyn: I'll try that`
`22:27.04`	`RhanisRho`	`How can I install debian w/o using a CD?`
`22:27.22`	`faoiseamh`	`tahnks valdyn - after reconfiguring to what sounded good it worked`
`22:27.25`	`faoiseamh`	`much appreciated`
`22:27.34`	`valdyn`	`faoiseamh: welcome`
`22:27.47`	`kristian-aalborg`	`"temporary failure resolving security.debian.org"`
`22:27.47`	`abrotman`	`!tell RhanisRho about usb install`
`22:28.21`	`Anyvie`	`xD`
`22:29.03`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: the install guide assumes you're already on a linux system, but I'm on windows.`
`22:29.32`	`*** join/#debian subsume (~yeagos@108.18.49.73)`
`22:29.35`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: the IG mentions othe rmethods .. also, goodbye-microsoft.com or someting will install Debian`
`22:29.42`	`valdyn`	`kaluva: which of the tiny mta does local delivery ?`
`22:29.51`	`*** join/#debian skrewler (~skrewler@209.213.206.58)`
`22:30.06`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: i've never used it, if it eats your children, i take no responsibility`
`22:30.22`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: No, never will do that. Also, that security.debian.org error might explain why aptitude got stuck`
`22:30.31`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: can't use that since I can't make changes to the fs from windows.`
`22:30.40`	`harovali`	`valdyn: now, it goes like this : http://bpaste.net/show/17621/`
`22:31.00`	`kaluva`	`valdyn: I use dma`
`22:31.13`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: could you use cygwin to do the Debian USB setup ?`
`22:31.55`	`valdyn`	`kaluva: ah, nice, didnt see that one, only ones that need a relay`
`22:32.06`	`harovali`	`valdyn: and in facto the Release file is there , http://bpaste.net/show/17622/`
`22:32.14`	`*** join/#debian alpharesearch (~markus@24-158-188-124.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com)`
`22:32.27`	`kristian-aalborg`	`kaluva, I disabled it, along with volatile... I can always find proper repos, right now I just want a running base system`
`22:32.29`	`*** join/#debian sythe (~quassel@bas1-ottawa08-1176109210.dsl.bell.ca)`
`22:32.32`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: what about mingw?`
`22:32.38`	`harovali`	`should I set up a minimal http server ?`
`22:32.42`	`abrotman`	`never used it .. worth a shot`
`22:32.45`	`RhanisRho`	`Installing cygwin seems like a lot of trouble.`
`22:32.50`	`kaluva`	`kristian-aalborg: You're right about that, but don't forget!`
`22:33.12`	`valdyn`	`harovali: i think you might need to use the uri notation file://`
`22:33.35`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: no it doesn't contain the necessary programs.`
`22:33.37`	`valdyn`	`harovali: I only ever used http:// so I dont know about files`
`22:33.48`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: it doesn't contain dd?`
`22:34.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1138] by debhelper`
`22:34.01`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: mkdosfs, syslinux, etc.`
`22:34.08`	`abrotman`	`you don't need those`
`22:34.13`	`abrotman`	`what instructions are you reading?`
`22:34.13`	`valdyn`	`holmgren: that gives file:///home/prisma/woodymnt/`
`22:34.13`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: what do I need?`
`22:34.20`	`valdyn`	`harovali: ^^^`
`22:34.47`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 is all I have.`
`22:35.07`	`RhanisRho`	`and the .iso (cd size).`
`22:35.17`	`kristian-aalborg`	`hurm`
`22:35.44`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: you only need 4.3.1 .. the rest is another method`
`22:35.47`	`harovali`	`valdyn: I did a python -m SimpleHTTPServer 8000 in the loopback mounted dir and voilÃ¡ , thanks`
`22:35.49`	`*** part/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`22:36.03`	`valdyn`	`harovali: nice workaround, yes`
`22:36.26`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: You mean I just need to put the .iso onto the stick? I could have done that easily in widnows---or am i misunderstanding?`
`22:36.35`	`kristian-aalborg`	`"Standard system utilities"`
`22:36.49`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: i don't know if windows can do that .. it wants 'cat' .. not sure if windows 'copy' is the same thing`
`22:36.59`	`abrotman`	`won't even speculate about using windows "type"`
`22:37.23`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: so I need to cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX in mingw, then sync. But what's /dev/sdX on windows?`
`22:37.42`	`*** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`22:37.46`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: as i said above, never used mingw .. i wouldn't even have a guess`
`22:37.52`	`kristian-aalborg`	`... consists of ?`
`22:38.00`	`*** join/#debian fnordperfect (~fab@dslb-092-075-109-204.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`22:38.04`	`*** join/#debian mutil (~mutil@77.49.133.97.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr)`
`22:38.05`	`kristian-aalborg`	`I found a very long list, mentioning bash and aptitude`
`22:38.22`	`RhanisRho`	`so basically I'm going to have to burn another coaster.`
`22:38.50`	`abrotman`	`RhanisRho: i thought you were going to use a USB installer?`
`22:38.56`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: but how?`
`22:38.57`	`*** join/#debian Kamelot314-2 (~kamelot31@24-230-236-214.hy.cgocable.ca)`
`22:39.00`	`RhanisRho`	`I don't know how to use mingw.`
`22:39.04`	`*** join/#debian Gottaname (~Gottaname@bb121-6-142-56.singnet.com.sg)`
`22:39.10`	`abrotman`	`you can't find the USB device in mingw ?`
`22:39.12`	`RhanisRho`	`RhanisRho: unetbootin doesn't work.`
`22:39.25`	`*** part/#debian timw (~timw@dyn-62-56-105-13.dslaccess.co.uk)`
`22:39.25`	`abrotman`	`i wouldn't suggest unetbootin anyway`
`22:39.40`	`RhanisRho`	`it's junk, spent almost an hour with it.`
`22:39.57`	`*** join/#debian ompaul (~ompaul@unaffiliated/ompaul)`
`22:40.10`	`*** join/#debian fnordperfect (~fab@dslb-092-075-109-204.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`22:40.16`	`*** join/#debian bolt (~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt)`
`22:40.29`	`*** join/#debian sacredchao (~hagbard@gateway/tor-sasl/nike)`
`22:40.34`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: found the usb key in mingw...`
`22:41.40`	`kristian-aalborg`	`ah, nm... I got it, and ssh as well`
`22:43.20`	`RhanisRho`	`abrotman: i'm cat d:/debian* > f: and I gives me permission denied.`
`22:44.09`	`*** join/#debian Ryushin (proxy@cl-412.phx-01.us.sixxs.net)`
`22:45.22`	`*** join/#debian Miesco (~mugsy@142.155.32.18)`
`22:45.51`	`*** join/#debian Odaym (~ongoing@212.36.209.4)`
`22:45.51`	`*** join/#debian Odaym (~ongoing@unaffiliated/odaym)`
`22:46.03`	`*** join/#debian evildaemon (~john@50-35-176-190.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net)`
`22:46.31`	`*** join/#debian Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434864.home.otenet.gr)`
`22:46.53`	`*** join/#debian richo (~richo@boxand.lnk.telstra.net)`
`22:46.53`	`*** join/#debian richo (~richo@unaffiliated/richohealey)`
`22:50.20`	`*** join/#debian Jguy (~kvirc@99-113-140-193.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net)`
`22:50.39`	`*** join/#debian MrFrood (happy@ukato.sdf.org)`
`22:52.19`	`kristian-aalborg`	`mission accomplished!`
`22:52.38`	`sacredchao`	`I reinstalled Debian and configured /etc/network/interfaces to say "iface eth0 inet dhcp" but this is not the behaviour I want... it pauses every boot looking for a DHCP lease.`
`22:52.44`	`sacredchao`	`I just want everything to be handled by Wicd`
`22:54.17`	`*** join/#debian PragCypher (~PragCyphe@208.82.216.3)`
`22:56.21`	`*** join/#debian jbeatty (~jbeatty@adsl-74-226-116-214.mem.bellsouth.net)`
`22:56.27`	`jbeatty`	`does debian use linux-libre?`
`22:56.52`	`abrotman`	`the kernel stuff?`
`22:58.34`	`TrueDD`	`Good night all`
`22:58.59`	`*** join/#debian bolong7 (~bolong7@223.255.230.22)`
`23:00.16`	`jbeatty`	`abrotman: Linux = the kernel, yes`
`23:00.35`	`*** join/#debian project2501a (~gmarselis@109.171.130.235)`
`23:01.33`	`karlpinc_`	`sacredchao: Perhaps: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd ??`
`23:02.00`	`*** part/#debian rubin110 (~rubin110@173-228-123-71.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net)`
`23:02.09`	`sacredchao`	`karlpinc_: Oh wow, take out anything to do with eth0 entirely...`
`23:02.15`	`sacredchao`	`I ended up deciding to umm`
`23:02.26`	`sacredchao`	`Just have a "allow-hotplug eth0" line with nothing else`
`23:02.55`	`sacredchao`	`Sometimes I like being able to run ifup or ifdown eth0, and that doesn't work unless there is something in the interfaces file`
`23:03.07`	`*** join/#debian barf (~Dark_Shib@193.69.144.162)`
`23:03.17`	`*** join/#debian G_O_D (~marco@41-78-231-201.fibertel.com.ar)`
`23:03.27`	`barf`	`I now have a baseinstall running on a Samsung SyncMaster 400PXn`
`23:03.42`	`barf`	`What is a small reasonable GUI to install?`
`23:04.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1132] by debhelper`
`23:04.05`	`jbeatty`	`barf: e17`
`23:04.17`	`barf`	`is that a package name?`
`23:04.17`	`pipeline`	`barf: lots of fine choices and none of them are small.`
`23:04.30`	`barf`	`small in size`
`23:04.36`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:04.39`	`barf`	`any of them smaller than 500mb?`
`23:04.46`	`jbeatty`	`many of them`
`23:04.51`	`jbeatty`	`I believe e17 is`
`23:04.51`	`barf`	`I was thinking of installing FireFox`
`23:04.59`	`barf`	`e17?`
`23:05.03`	`barf`	`I use e13 ones`
`23:05.07`	`barf`	`once`
`23:05.11`	`jbeatty`	`... what do you mean by GUI? Firefox isn't exactly a window manager`
`23:05.16`	`barf`	`e17 = enlightenment?`
`23:05.18`	`*** join/#debian Bevo (~Bevo@brendan.optusnet.com.au)`
`23:05.32`	`barf`	`But Firefox will require a window manager?`
`23:06.06`	`pipeline`	`barf: firefox alone will consume 1G+ of RAM`
`23:06.13`	`pipeline`	`barf: who cares whether your window manager is 16M or 32M`
`23:06.16`	`jbeatty`	`pipeline: I've run Firefox on a 512 easily`
`23:06.18`	`barf`	`Ouch`
`23:06.19`	`Odaym`	`the Enlightenment`
`23:06.22`	`pipeline`	`jbeatty: thrashing swap :P`
`23:06.23`	`Odaym`	`that's a window manager`
`23:06.27`	`Odaym`	`not Firefox...`
`23:06.27`	`barf`	`There is 1GB of RAM in the system`
`23:06.34`	`RhanisRho`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:06.38`	`jbeatty`	`pipeline: ? It performed rather well.`
`23:06.43`	`pipeline`	`barf: yeah firefox + linux inside 1G is going to be a little rough. Not miserable, but certainly not great, either.`
`23:07.04`	`pipeline`	`barf: I've become fond of XFCE (package: xfce4). It closely resembles gnome 2.0, and comes with a nice GUI file manager.`
`23:07.06`	`*** join/#debian u19809 (~quassel@213.49.144.137)`
`23:07.09`	`barf`	`This machine is intended for research`
`23:07.16`	`pipeline`	`barf: svelte it is not. But compared to firefox, it's teensy tiny :)`
`23:07.38`	`barf`	`svelte?`
`23:08.25`	`pipeline`	`barf: lean, trim, shapely`
`23:08.38`	`barf`	`xfce4 instaling`
`23:08.45`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:09.06`	`barf`	`How will xfce4 run after next reboot?`
`23:09.15`	`*** join/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`23:09.27`	`barf`	`Will I have to login textbased and type startx?`
`23:09.30`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:09.46`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:10.05`	`pipeline`	`barf: there are daemons to start X and do the login through X. Try gdm or xdm`
`23:10.32`	`pipeline`	`barf: added bonus: gdm will allow you to set your preferred desktop dynamically. (For starx/xinit, you would edit the ~/.xsession file.)`
`23:11.10`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:11.26`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:11.57`	`barf`	`Today I have bootstrapped 3 memory sticks with debian 6`
`23:12.03`	`*** join/#debian tremo (~tremo@wurzeldiener.jfreitag.de)`
`23:13.26`	`*** join/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:13.34`	`*** join/#debian Kazen (~Kazen@541F86A1.cm-5-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl)`
`23:14.27`	`*** join/#debian PragCypher (~PragCyphe@208.82.216.3)`
`23:14.46`	`*** join/#debian balrog (~balrog@pool-173-59-75-155.phlapa.east.verizon.net)`
`23:14.47`	`*** part/#debian mark76 (~mark@cpc27-nfds13-2-0-cust178.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`23:15.22`	`*** part/#debian TBotNik (~ndavis@cpe-76-184-53-92.tx.res.rr.com)`
`23:15.25`	`*** join/#debian adubz (~adub@h-66-166-185-2.dllatx37.static.covad.net)`
`23:15.35`	`adubz`	`how does one install python modules?`
`23:15.39`	`*** join/#debian Astroman (~Astroman@78-86-137-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk)`
`23:15.49`	`*** join/#debian fredy (~tobias_@athedsl-4391075.home.otenet.gr)`
`23:16.15`	`*** join/#debian Zygo (startkeylo@startkeylogger.hungrycats.org)`
`23:16.37`	`*** join/#debian odor_ (~odor@cpe-24-26-234-227.satx.res.rr.com)`
`23:17.20`	`*** join/#debian IRC_363951 (~Emulation@c-24-63-127-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`23:18.32`	`*** join/#debian mican (~con@117.192.96.70)`
`23:18.53`	`kaluva`	`barf: As far as browsers go, midori is quite lightweight`
`23:19.11`	`*** part/#debian IRC_363951 (~Emulation@c-24-63-127-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)`
`23:20.02`	`barf`	`is midori based on mozilla?`
`23:20.53`	`pyroscope`	`adubz: in different ways`
`23:20.58`	`*** join/#debian SpeedyG_ (~speedyg@ip9135cd7a.speed.planet.nl)`
`23:21.00`	`*** join/#debian mosno (~MOSNO@unaffiliated/mosno)`
`23:21.17`	`Barzogh`	`barf: no`
`23:21.23`	`abrotman`	`barf: no`
`23:21.31`	`Barzogh`	`it is based on webkit`
`23:21.40`	`barf`	`Oh`
`23:21.46`	`barf`	`Interesting, will try`
`23:21.52`	`pipeline`	`adubz: python modules are packaged like any other library in debian. Search for the library name.`
`23:22.14`	`*** join/#debian TBotNik (~ndavis@cpe-76-184-53-92.tx.res.rr.com)`
`23:22.40`	`pipeline`	`barf: webkit is definitely much smaller memory-wise. Epiphany, Konqueror et al are going to be much more efficient from that standpoint.`
`23:23.08`	`*** join/#debian th0r (~steve@24-106-210-67.bhisland.com)`
`23:24.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1124] by debhelper`
`23:24.40`	`barf`	`I will try midori I believe`
`23:24.55`	`barf`	`or is epiphany recommended over midori?`
`23:25.55`	`abrotman`	`try them both`
`23:26.19`	`kaluva`	`A matter of taste`
`23:26.44`	`*** join/#debian Kraftzwerk (~Kraftzwer@xdslfb228.osnanet.de)`
`23:27.01`	`*** join/#debian Kapps (~Kapps@S0106001310e990a5.ss.shawcable.net)`
`23:27.14`	`barf`	`Everything that starts with K is KDE?`
`23:27.22`	`*** join/#debian balrog (~balrog@pool-74-109-61-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net)`
`23:27.45`	`*** join/#debian yang (yang@boneym.linuxshell.org)`
`23:28.25`	`abrotman`	`no`
`23:30.36`	`*** join/#debian Jurkki (~jukka@a91-156-165-176.elisa-laajakaista.fi)`
`23:30.50`	`*** part/#debian richo (~richo@unaffiliated/richohealey)`
`23:31.30`	`*** join/#debian claviusmond (~hokkaido@74.Red-83-43-124.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net)`
`23:32.03`	`*** join/#debian cshore (~thecshore@2002:45a5:db3a::1)`
`23:34.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1118] by debhelper`
`23:35.06`	`*** join/#debian jillsmitt (~jillsmitt@84.240.194.0)`
`23:37.05`	`*** join/#debian jillsmitt (~jillsmitt@84.240.194.0)`
`23:37.44`	`*** join/#debian arjovr (~seba@host86.201-253-77.telecom.net.ar)`
`23:38.17`	`*** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`23:39.26`	`*** join/#debian sudokode (~tim@sudokode.net)`
`23:43.05`	`*** join/#debian Gnudoll (~charline@c-24-130-240-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`23:44.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 1111] by debhelper`
`23:45.04`	`*** join/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`23:45.37`	`*** join/#debian blackest_mamba (~blackest_@c-98-220-201-219.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`23:47.44`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`hey peeps how do I query the debian repo inhere`
`23:47.50`	`*** join/#debian bolong7 (~bolong7@223.255.229.10)`
`23:47.53`	`*** join/#debian grok0 (~o~o@unaffiliated/o-/x-1234567)`
`23:48.27`	`*** join/#debian mican_ (~con@117.192.103.235)`
`23:49.23`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`hey peeps is bluetile in debian ?`
`23:49.44`	`Bushmills`	`apt-cache`
`23:49.58`	`Bushmills`	`or aptitude`
`23:50.50`	`barf`	`fatal server error no screens found when attempting to launch: startx`
`23:50.52`	`*** join/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`23:51.35`	`abrotman`	`Eryn_1983_FL: query what part of it?`
`23:51.36`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`ok`
`23:51.38`	`barf`	`Works fine through ssh`
`23:51.43`	`*** join/#debian TBotNik (~ndavis@cpe-76-184-53-92.tx.res.rr.com)`
`23:51.49`	`barf`	`from my macbook`
`23:52.08`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`names of packeges dpkg said it ddint know what I was talking about but I did find it int he repo on the bluetile webpage it had a link to it ty for help though`
`23:53.54`	`*** join/#debian azucar1123 (~vodaf@190.143.18.92)`
`23:54.04`	`Raptors`	`can someone tell me where the update-alternative text files are located?`
`23:55.19`	`wols_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:55.39`	`Raptors`	`ya`
`23:55.40`	`Raptors`	`thanks`
`23:56.00`	`wols_`	`!tell Eryn_1983_FL about search`
`23:56.17`	`Eryn_1983_FL`	`ty`
`23:58.41`	`*** join/#debian mendred (~quassel@2.29.147.10)`
`23:58.43`	`abrotman`	`smells something bad coming`
`23:59.40`	`wols_`	`here, take that gas mask and it's all better`
`23:59.40`	`*** join/#debian inimesekene (~inimeseke@15.229.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee)`
`23:59.46`	`*** join/#debian amee2k (~thomas@ve504.cugnet.net)`

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.