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| 00:20.11 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:20.20 | lenswipe | any notion of how to uninstall netbeans on debian? |
| 00:20.25 | lenswipe | im using debian squeeze |
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| 00:25.43 | krakrjak | lenswipe: aptitude remove netbeans && aptitude purge '~c' |
| 00:25.53 | wols_ | lenswipe: google is awesome: http://netbeans.org/community/releases/70/install.html#uninstall_sollinux |
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| 00:26.15 | lenswipe | krakrjak, i didnt install with apt-gte |
| 00:26.17 | lenswipe | get* |
| 00:26.31 | krakrjak | lenswipe: make unistall |
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| 00:27.17 | wols_ | krakrjak: you do know that there is no make;make install for netbeans since it's closed source, right? |
| 00:27.35 | krakrjak | wols_: do they provide an installation script? |
| 00:27.48 | krakrjak | lenswipe: where is it installed? /opt maybe? |
| 00:27.54 | lenswipe | idk |
| 00:28.03 | lenswipe | would it suffice just to delete the installation dir? |
| 00:28.06 | krakrjak | which netbeans and see if it's in your path |
| 00:28.07 | wols_ | krakrjak: read the link I gave above |
| 00:28.15 | krakrjak | might be a symlink.. |
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| 00:28.28 | reavengrey | Gtfo LOLOL |
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| 00:36.44 | krakrjak | lenswipe: find / -type f -name 'uninstall.sh' -print |
| 00:36.57 | krakrjak | lenswipe: that will probably find the uninstall script you need. |
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| 00:52.45 | sacredchao | My rDNS is not configured properly... I fail a FCrDNS test |
| 00:53.00 | sacredchao | How do I make my IPv4 address point to my FQDN correctly? |
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| 00:53.38 | StuckMojo | hi. anyone know how to tell dkms to use multiple threads when building a module? |
| 00:53.47 | StuckMojo | i suspect it's an environment var |
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| 00:55.29 | wols_ | StuckMojo: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL possibly? |
| 00:55.51 | wols_ | sacredchao: fail how? |
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| 00:56.30 | qop | :s |
| 00:56.40 | sacredchao | "This mail server your IP has no reverse DNS (PTR) record. Some email servers require a PTR record from any server that connects to them and reject any email from a mail server without a PTR record." |
| 00:56.51 | qop | anyone knows about sonicwall? |
| 00:57.12 | StuckMojo | wols_: hmm: http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-261694-kernel-package-modules-are-only-built-one-thread-even-though-concurrency-level-1-help-165355601.html |
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| 00:57.15 | qop | there is a website that I cant figure out how to liberate off my cobntent filter |
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| 00:57.37 | qop | it is in the list of allowed sites but I still get blocking |
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| 00:58.15 | wols_ | StuckMojo: bofore pasting links, please check the date |
| 00:58.34 | StuckMojo | doh, lol |
| 00:58.35 | StuckMojo | sorry |
| 00:58.49 | StuckMojo | well i'll just try it and see... |
| 00:58.51 | sacredchao | wols_: I am not sure if this is something I can configure on my server, or that is done by my registrar, or that is done buy the company doling out my IPv4 addies |
| 00:59.11 | wols_ | sacredchao: neither. it's done by your dns server |
| 00:59.41 | sacredchao | wols_: My registrar is running the dns server |
| 01:00.07 | StuckMojo | wols_: mm...can't tell if it worked or not |
| 01:00.14 | StuckMojo | it built too fast, heh |
| 01:00.25 | StuckMojo | next time i do a kernel upgrade i'll have to try it |
| 01:00.40 | StuckMojo | 'tho that means i'll have to remember to set it every time i aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 01:02.01 | StuckMojo | wols_: thanks for the help though |
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| 01:18.43 | Guest58784 | Black_Prince, THANKS!!! )) |
| 01:18.55 | Guest58784 | Black_Prince, it is magical... now all are there |
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| 01:23.48 | gkwhc | Hi, what are common places to look for when disabling auto-start programs? |
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| 01:27.10 | zykotick9 | gkwhc, assuming Gnome. System / Preferences / Startup Applications & System / Admin / ?Services |
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| 01:27.50 | gkwhc | zykotick9: oh i see. how about system files? |
| 01:27.51 | Tigerboy | anyone heard of a problem with the screen brightness dial not working? |
| 01:28.02 | Tigerboy | It was working up until today |
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| 01:28.56 | zykotick9 | gkwhc, "system files" what do you mean? /etc/init.d ? |
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| 01:29.55 | gkwhc | zykotick9: yeah, or like .xsession? |
| 01:30.31 | zykotick9 | gkwhc, not sure. Good luck. |
| 01:30.42 | gkwhc | zykotick9: ok thanks |
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| 01:37.30 | Tigerboy | is there such a thing as a debian repos / dev teams notices system? alerting to problems aside from ticket tracking |
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| 01:54.57 | th0r | since the ffmpeg from the repo does avi conversions, does anyone know why avi is not a supported format for the winff in the repo, or better yet a way to add it? |
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| 01:57.00 | Tigerboy | th0r: just make sure you have the libraries etc |
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| 01:57.28 | Tigerboy | there is no doubt winff suports decoding avi format container |
| 01:57.34 | th0r | Tigerboy: I have been trying to find what libraries are required...I had assumed synaptic would install them all, but apparently not |
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| 01:57.35 | Tigerboy | codecs for decoding |
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| 01:57.58 | Tigerboy | th0r: no I find you have to hunt around |
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| 01:58.19 | Tigerboy | th0r: but exercise a little care. |
| 01:58.48 | th0r | Tigerboy: I learned the hard way.....dmm is not in my sources.list <smile> |
| 01:59.06 | Tigerboy | th0r: might help to install a well maintained package like kdenlive |
| 01:59.42 | Tigerboy | sid just borked something in sources system |
| 02:00.07 | th0r | Tigerboy: no kde...xfce. but I am not above compiling my own libs if necessary |
| 02:00.08 | Tigerboy | it makes the systems appear to have less sources in the guis |
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| 02:01.27 | Bushmills | th0r: avi is not a single format. it is a container specification. contents determine whether you can play a specific avi file or not, and contents may differ |
| 02:01.40 | Tigerboy | frankly I'm have been looking into kde some not happy with the gnome3 nonsense |
| 02:02.11 | th0r | Bushmills: yup, but there are no file formats in winff except microsoft, no ogv, no avi, no mp4.... |
| 02:02.30 | Tigerboy | yep it's a container and you have to have supporting formats for the decoders |
| 02:02.36 | th0r | Bushmills: this is a fresh install of squeeze, no dmm packages |
| 02:03.13 | th0r | Tigerboy: yup....searching for more info on the libs now. All the libs I found in an earlier search were included in ffmpeg, so looking for more info |
| 02:03.19 | Tigerboy | hence the name |
| 02:04.03 | Tigerboy | i've gotten the ffmpeg working well on web servers and it is used to decode and reencode in just about anything |
| 02:04.31 | th0r | Tigerboy: I can use ffmpeg to convert to avi, which is why I find it confusing that winff doesn't have it |
| 02:04.32 | Tigerboy | I can't wait to try the new centos 6 |
| 02:04.58 | Tigerboy | thOr there are many pieces to the puzzle |
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| 02:05.22 | th0r | Tigerboy: I just wish the box had a picture on the cover |
| 02:05.35 | Tigerboy | thOr: there are some good ffmpeg wikis |
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| 02:51.19 | gimpy0435 | I'm habing trouble getting fusermount to work. It works on every Ubuntu box I've used int he last few years but I can't get it working on Debian. http://dpaste.com/580238/ |
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| 02:54.50 | gimpy0435 | Bushmills: I have logged n and ot more than once. |
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| 04:05.13 | factor | What is a good gui app for burning a dvd to mp4 |
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| 04:10.55 | gnarface | factor: that is a great question i don't know the answer to. its worth noting however that ffmpeg is pretty good despite not being gui |
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| 04:12.59 | linsux | anyone know where to get alpha installation iso? |
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| 04:15.56 | linsux | ?? |
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| 04:17.17 | factor | Handbrake seems to be really sweet |
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| 04:24.55 | th0r | factor: where did you find handbrake for debian? |
| 04:25.01 | factor | apt-get |
| 04:25.06 | factor | :) |
| 04:25.15 | th0r | factor: which repo? dmm? |
| 04:25.18 | factor | !apt handbrake |
| 04:25.40 | factor | !debhelper handbrake |
| 04:25.52 | factor | notta oh well |
| 04:26.09 | tharkun | , versions handbrake |
| 04:26.10 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'handbrake' was found in i386. |
| 04:26.19 | tharkun | factor: ^^ |
| 04:26.32 | th0r | I don't find it in the official repos. It might be in dmm, but I have been burned by dmm so stay away from it |
| 04:26.50 | factor | oh yes could be |
| 04:26.59 | factor | I always hook up dmm first thing |
| 04:27.06 | factor | for dvd stuff |
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| 04:27.27 | th0r | factor: I lost video in vlc and I think it was due to a lib I ended up fetching from dmm. |
| 04:27.33 | spersaud | how would I move the x number of deleted lines with sed to another file ? |
| 04:29.52 | boudiccas | spersaud; cut n'paste? or just pasting them? |
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| 04:31.41 | spersaud | boudiccas: its a large file ... I need to split 1000000 lines into 100000 line files |
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| 04:32.26 | tharkun | spersaud: i would delete from the line after the one you want and redirect it to the matching file name |
| 04:32.35 | tharkun | spersaud: yet it seems a question for #sed |
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| 04:37.46 | somiaj | spersaud: look at the command 'split' |
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| 05:54.48 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 05:55.01 | man_in_shack | i'm looking for a non-linear video editor that can record audio from microphone |
| 05:55.13 | man_in_shack | so far i've found lives, but that requires either pulse or jack to do it |
| 05:56.10 | nevyn | yeah and? |
| 05:56.25 | nevyn | requiring jack for that doesn't seem unreasonable to me |
| 05:56.38 | man_in_shack | well, i haven't got jack set up |
| 05:56.56 | man_in_shack | i tried some years ago and it hated me |
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| 06:32.22 | civillian | You focus your magical energies to release the spell. You feel like Atlas himself! You feel hungry. |
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| 06:36.17 | ayambit | A spell hist you to the head. You start to think: "Why I even use this strange system that requires from me to know how underlying subsytems work in the age of Windows 7? I'll better be using windows 7 instead!" |
| 06:36.26 | ayambit | *Diabolic laugh |
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| 06:43.03 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 06:44.23 | mastroDani | is there a way to install a debian testing directly from the netinst CD? |
| 06:44.48 | civillian | grab a daily build of netinst? |
| 06:44.51 | simonlnu | sort of |
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| 06:45.19 | simonlnu | install from squeeze's, edit /target/etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:45.54 | simonlnu | grabbing the testing one isn't necessarily gonna work if it has bugs that prevent you from going on. |
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| 06:47.07 | civillian | well there are no guarantees in life |
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| 07:06.37 | SpeedyG | hi, when logged in as a user, if I change my group memberships, can I get the additional memberships without re-login, or do I need to login again to get the right memberships ? |
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| 07:10.34 | cahoot | su <user> (for at least that terminal |
| 07:10.45 | SpeedyG | yeah, that works.. but for gui ? |
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| 07:11.12 | SpeedyG | got a very slow download running and don't wanna logout since it's at 40% and has hours left to go :( |
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| 07:11.30 | ayambit | You can gksu |
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| 07:14.15 | robjensen82 | I'm using ntp on a debian vm. When I sleep my machine the time I wake the machine is the time I slept it. Stopping and starting ntp seems to fix that. Is that the best way to be forcing an update? |
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| 07:18.37 | mastroDani | civillian, simonlnu thanks |
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| 07:18.50 | mastroDani | simonlnu, how do I edit the source.list before installing? |
| 07:19.08 | simonlnu | with an editor |
| 07:19.36 | simonlnu | you'll have to preseed to do that |
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| 07:20.03 | simonlnu | i wasn't talking of that anyway. |
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| 07:49.33 | mastroDani | I'm trying to install debian from netinst... but debian can't detect my ethernet nor my wireless |
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| 07:50.05 | mastroDani | ethernet is this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626220 |
| 07:50.19 | mastroDani | any suggestion? |
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| 07:53.52 | Kharec | hi there |
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| 08:08.13 | mastroDani | Ok.. I need to install debian on a new PC with an ethernet card not supported by the kernel bundled with the netinst... which option do I have? |
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| 08:10.47 | streuner__ | mastroDani: buy a NIC which is supported? |
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| 08:10.57 | bolt | i think he's on a laptop |
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| 08:11.11 | bolt | you'd need to try an installer with a newer kernel, pretty much |
| 08:11.15 | streuner__ | hm PC isnt laptop |
| 08:11.27 | bolt | perhaps the testing netinst? |
| 08:11.29 | streuner__ | mastroDani: so its a laptop? |
| 08:11.49 | bolt | if it's not a laptop, simply switch the nic and save a hell of a lot of trouble, yes |
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| 08:15.44 | streuner__ | bolt: sounds like a laptop - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626220 |
| 08:16.01 | bolt | that's where i got it from |
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| 08:18.19 | mastroWork | streuner__, yes it is |
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| 08:18.45 | mastroWork | bolt, downloading the testing netinst |
| 08:18.47 | streuner__ | mastroWork: ok, so you need a newer kernel, try grml or knoppix |
| 08:19.16 | mastroWork | streuner__, I want debian |
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| 08:19.29 | streuner__ | mastroWork: grml is based on Debian... Knoppix too |
| 08:19.41 | streuner__ | mastroWork: both have the option to install Debian |
| 08:19.51 | mastroWork | streuner__, oh... did not know it |
| 08:20.03 | mastroWork | streuner__, I'll try with the testing netinst first |
| 08:20.11 | mastroWork | streuner__, but thanks for the suggestion |
| 08:20.12 | streuner__ | mastroWork: sure |
| 08:21.16 | streuner__ | mastroWork: you can do one thing, just /msg dpkg hcl and make sure Linux supports your NIC by default |
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| 08:24.53 | streuner__ | mastro: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Lenovo/ThinkPad+X220/ |
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| 08:25.18 | mastro | streuner__, sorry I do not understand.. what's hcl? |
| 08:25.43 | streuner__ | !hcl |
| 08:25.43 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 08:26.18 | mastro | streuner__, yes I got it a second after that :) |
| 08:26.48 | mastro | I need to boot it up to get the lspci :) |
| 08:26.58 | streuner__ | no need |
| 08:27.04 | streuner__ | mastro: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Lenovo/ThinkPad+X220/ |
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| 08:27.18 | streuner__ | wireless and your NIC is supported... |
| 08:27.24 | mastro | I don't have a thinkpad :) but I got it... |
| 08:27.40 | streuner__ | ok |
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| 08:30.09 | mastro | streuner__, It's a Dell Latitude E6520 series |
| 08:30.41 | streuner__ | mastro: well, you pasted the URL about bts here, so i guess its the same chipset... |
| 08:31.25 | streuner__ | mastro: but just make sure and visit kmuto's HCL website |
| 08:31.41 | mastro | streuner__, probably it is... but the weird thing is that the netinst was running on a kernel 2.6.32 |
| 08:32.15 | streuner__ | noting wired, netinstall works till it needs internet :-P |
| 08:32.28 | nickSwe | how can I see which user is running a active service? |
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| 08:36.15 | nickSwe | found it... simple as "ps -U $username" or "ps -G $groupname" |
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| 08:42.42 | dw | about to write a shell script to do it |
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| 08:44.45 | themill | dw: dch (debscripts package); the --local or --bpo options may be of particular interest if you're automating package rebuilding. |
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| 08:57.41 | disaster123 | Hey guys i'm trying to migrate from grub to grub2. But grub2 just detsroys my partition table when it runs grub-install |
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| 09:23.57 | metbsd | the documentation for alpha system doesn't show how to install at all, it's just a general guide. what a piece of junk |
| 09:24.47 | themill | metbsd: the alpha port is no longer officially supported; patches for the install guide are probably still welcomed by the porters, however. |
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| 09:27.03 | bzed | metbsd: just look at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/alpha/ from lenny, it has everything you need |
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| 09:27.28 | bzed | (not sure what you were reading, I guess there should even be an unofficial guide for squeeze based on the lenny version |
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| 09:31.13 | metbsd | everything? that link don't even tell me which iso to dl |
| 09:32.07 | metbsd | i'm off work, see you all |
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| 09:36.28 | remoteCTRL | hi guys! |
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| 09:41.43 | remoteCTRL | oh, geeez i had the shift key fixed, sorry... |
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| 10:09.09 | HPPicky | anyone had experience with nec powermate p series computers? Having trouble getting debian 6 to run |
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| 10:13.37 | LiENUS | hey |
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| 10:16.38 | nickSwe | I have set up a virtual user for my proftpd server, but i wish to restrict user to a specific directory (virtual ftp user "dump" should have access only to dir /home/ftp/dump/)... How to accomplish this? |
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| 10:18.03 | LiENUS | http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 10:18.04 | LiENUS | from there |
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| 10:25.46 | krogon | hello, I want to redirect traffic from one port to another using iptables and it does not work for me. Here is a paste of iptables rules http://pastebin.com/sc3ASVTh (want to redir from 2000 to 22) |
| 10:27.11 | yomeister | hey, my wakeonlan works except when the lid of my laptop is closed. And I want it to be closed all the time, any pointers to what to do? |
| 10:27.59 | krogon | valid url: http://pastebin.com/q983rxH9 |
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| 10:33.17 | hanibana | hi |
| 10:33.17 | hanibana | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:35.24 | daemonkeeper | hanibana: This is called delegation. |
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| 10:36.24 | daemonkeeper | And no, you can't do this in your resolv.conf. Its something either your recursor has to do, or the authoritative name server for the specific domain |
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| 10:37.04 | Iridos | krogon, that would be trivial to do using ssh portforwarding with ssh -L 2000:localhost:22 localhost ... never tried anything like that using iptables rules |
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| 10:37.52 | Iridos | (of course using ssh and an encrypted connection is totally overkill) |
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| 10:39.00 | krogon | Iridos, Yeah, that's right, but I've got to automate this process, because many redirects will be necessary |
| 10:39.08 | krogon | and I resolved this issue |
| 10:39.17 | krogon | there is interface eth0 |
| 10:39.44 | krogon | when I am telneting from this computer everything is routing through loopback intercace |
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| 10:41.01 | hanibana | daemonkeeper: so it's not possible in client side? |
| 10:41.17 | daemonkeeper | You can run a local recursor. |
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| 10:45.18 | hanibana | daemonkeeper: just to know; What can have recursor role? a DNS server installed on the client? like bind? |
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| 10:46.44 | daemonkeeper | Yes, ore more specialized recursors like PowerDNS (the recursor part), or dnsmaq or whatever. |
| 10:48.10 | hanibana | yes thank you daemonkeeper |
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| 10:53.49 | yomeister | does anyone has any idea how to make wake on lan work on my acer travelmate laptop with lid closed. It works perfectly with the lid open. |
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| 10:58.38 | fish_ | can i tell aptitude to not uninstall autoremovable packages? |
| 10:58.53 | themill | !unmarkauto |
| 10:58.53 | dpkg | Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards). |
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| 11:01.32 | fish_ | themill: thanks, but i try to write a automated check for pending security updates and i tried to do this by calling: aptitude -s install '~Asecurity' |
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| 11:02.15 | fish_ | but that lists "garbage" packages aswell |
| 11:02.49 | themill | fish_: ~Asecurity doesn't do what you want; "aptitude search ~U" |
| 11:03.04 | themill | (you may also like to look at cron-apt, depending on what you are trying to achieve here) |
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| 11:05.19 | mosno | why do i have box characters in my manpages? my terminal is UTF-8, my LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 |
| 11:05.27 | fish_ | themill: uhm, ok ~Asecurity selects all packages from that repos - also those who are not installed? than '?and(~U,~Asecurity)' should work, right? |
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| 11:05.29 | mosno | ips(1) manpage |
| 11:05.31 | themill | fish_: as a general housekeeping point, it's best not to leave packages in that "garbage" state; it's leaving a loaded gun lying around and you will eventually accidentally remove your foot along with a pile of packages you wanted. |
| 11:05.54 | themill | fish_: what debian release are you using? |
| 11:06.02 | mosno | ah, it was my terminal font |
| 11:06.09 | fish_ | themill: lenny and squeeze |
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| 11:06.37 | themill | fish_: ~Asecurity doesn't match anything in either lenny or squeeze. |
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| 11:07.43 | fish_ | themill: a crap.. but thanks for the hint |
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| 11:08.49 | themill | fish_: there's no (simple) way of asking for just the updates that have come from security.d.o to be listed; note also that security updates can be provided at point release time so they will land via your regular mirror and not through the security archive. |
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| 11:10.58 | fish_ | themill: uhm.. so what do you think would be the best way to really check for _security_ updates. you know, only updates for which you would like to be woken up at 4am? |
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| 11:12.57 | themill | fish_: anything in "aptitude search ~U" is a security update with the exception of point release time (every ~2 months) when there will be additional updates available. |
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| 11:13.55 | fish_ | but i don't want to be woken up for a 'point release' ;) |
| 11:14.00 | themill | fish_: (you would be able to tell that a point release has just been made because there is a new version of base-files). istr that update-notifier or unattended-upgrades can be press-ganged into just giving a list of updates from security.debian.org |
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| 11:31.16 | karl_ | hi, i have a problem with grub setup in a debian squeeze install. |
| 11:31.32 | karl_ | i try to have raid - lvm - dmcrypt and somehow it fails to install grub |
| 11:31.41 | karl_ | anyone have time to look at these screenshots ? |
| 11:31.49 | karl_ | http://kashofer.org/gallery3/index.php/Karl/grub-prob |
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| 11:32.02 | fish_ | themill: still don't get this.. security updates come from the security archive as well as from the default archive as part of a point release? |
| 11:32.38 | fish_ | and all updates on stable are security updates or a point release |
| 11:32.43 | karl_ | the machine is still running, i can test stuff |
| 11:32.57 | themill | fish_: yes, but only minor security updates (the sort of ones that can be delayed by some weeks) will come in a point release instead of via security.d.o |
| 11:32.59 | fish_ | so in case a point release happens, i have not way to figure out which package is a security upgrade and which not? |
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| 11:33.35 | themill | fish_: at point release time, all packages that were updated via security.debian.org are copied across to the main mirror anyway. |
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| 11:34.30 | themill | fish_: there are changelogs for all packages (/msg dpkg apt-listchanges) and there security advisories sent out for everything that goes via security.debian.org (/msg dpkg dsa) |
| 11:35.43 | woshty | Is there a way not involing xorg.conf to enable third mouse button emulation? I am using a kensington trackball and it just has to physical buttons, but no emulation running (I think more than 2 buttons are detected) |
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| 11:37.35 | fish_ | themill: i'll have a look at these. thank you very much, this was really helpfull |
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| 11:38.00 | themill | fish_: no worries. Have fun! |
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| 11:39.23 | karl_ | any takers ? http://kashofer.org/gallery3/index.php/Karl/grub-prob |
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| 11:41.11 | mastro | I just installed debian testing... It is not using synaptic as driver for my touchpad.... the Xorg.conf is gone... so I wonder, how do I tell my system I have a synaptics touchpad? |
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| 11:41.35 | Woet | karl_: maybe it would be easier if it would be english. |
| 11:42.22 | karl_ | well the important parts are, i can translate |
| 11:42.30 | karl_ | the partition layout is in the first picture |
| 11:42.35 | karl_ | the grub error in the second |
| 11:42.49 | karl_ | then are the console images of what i tried |
| 11:43.23 | karl_ | i think it tries to grub-probe /dev/root/mapper and that does not exist |
| 11:43.33 | karl_ | cause /boot/root is accessible |
| 11:43.35 | Woet | well, i can see you are creating a RAID 0 - but I only see 1 raid device |
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| 11:44.31 | karl_ | that should have been raid1 with only one device |
| 11:44.39 | karl_ | i want to add the other one later |
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| 11:44.58 | karl_ | you think thats the problem ? |
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| 11:45.35 | karl_ | because it installs fine, it even populates /boot/ which is mounted from /dev/mapper/root-boot |
| 11:45.40 | Woet | well, try creating a raid 1 instead of raid 0 then :P |
| 11:45.40 | karl_ | it just fails to grub-probe |
| 11:45.56 | karl_ | sure, but that does not change the underlying problem does it ? |
| 11:46.11 | Woet | well, i have no idea what happens if you create a RAID0 with just one disk |
| 11:46.25 | karl_ | ok, i'll redo it with proper raid1 setup |
| 11:46.26 | mjt | it will work just like a single disk |
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| 11:46.35 | Woet | okay, then im not sure what the problem is |
| 11:46.44 | berzerka | do you see the device files under /dev/mapper? |
| 11:46.45 | mjt | ditto for all other raid levels made on just one disk ;) |
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| 11:47.19 | karl_ | yes i see all device files, its in the screenshots |
| 11:47.27 | karl_ | i can mount /dev/mapper/root-boot |
| 11:47.53 | karl_ | i think thats the crucial step: http://kashofer.org/gallery3/index.php/Karl/grub-prob/4-grub-probe |
| 11:48.23 | karl_ | it fails to grub-probe, and if you look at the "changing dir" lines it seems to try to get to /dev/root/mapper |
| 11:48.26 | karl_ | which does not exist |
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| 11:55.28 | karl_ | any other ideas ? |
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| 11:59.40 | xelister | how to install man page crypt(3) |
| 12:00.24 | nsadmin | what's section 3? commands or C lib funcs? |
| 12:00.48 | xelister | c lib |
| 12:01.10 | nsadmin | I think the dev man pages are in manpages-dev |
| 12:01.22 | nsadmin | , versions manpages-dev |
| 12:01.24 | judd | Package manpages-dev on i386 -- lenny: 3.05-1; squeeze: 3.27-1; sid: 3.28-1; wheezy: 3.28-1 |
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| 12:02.09 | CruX| | versions manpages-dev aircrack-ng |
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| 12:02.14 | themill | (apt-file is your friend) |
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| 12:05.46 | stealthii | hi there. I wish to add files into my initrd. I have done this with zcat+cpio & vice-versa, but that doesn't generate a proper initrd |
| 12:06.07 | stealthii | what is the recommended way to add files to an initrd file? |
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| 12:07.53 | phogg | stealthii: looked at initramfs-tools? |
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| 12:09.40 | stealthii | I did. It appears to be doing a lot that I don't need to do. |
| 12:09.52 | stealthii | perhaps it's my cpio parameters when recreating the initrd, I'll check that |
| 12:09.52 | gr3 | cd / |
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| 12:22.14 | woshty | mastro: solution found yet? |
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| 12:24.56 | diegocn | hello ppl... i'm using debian 6 amd64 and firefox 32 (i guess)... i've flash-player 64bits installed and ff dont run it, is possible install flash 32? |
| 12:25.15 | diegocn | (sorry about my bad english) |
| 12:26.16 | wols | diegocn "file <firefox binary> tells you if you have a 32bit firefox |
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| 12:26.39 | wols | and you can only install flash 32bit manually then |
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| 12:27.32 | diegocn | firefox-bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped |
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| 12:37.36 | cusco | hi folks |
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| 12:38.18 | cusco | what would be the best way to automatically read from mail server (pop or imap) a e-mail and extract attachment from cli |
| 12:38.18 | Iridos | I really wonder why you'd want to run 32 bit firefox on a 64 bit system, though... |
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| 12:38.31 | Iridos | specially as there now _is_ a 64-bit flash plugin |
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| 12:39.39 | d0uglas | hey folks.. so I ran out of space overnight, got to trim a lot of fat but I'm a horder and want to hang onto everything. Is there a way I can erase a ten gig log file as I'm compressing it so that I can pack it up with very little space free? |
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| 12:39.53 | Iridos | cusco, also extract automatically? fetchmail for getting the mail, I guess... alpine would be a text-reader... |
| 12:40.19 | cusco | im looking at heirloom-mailx |
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| 12:40.27 | themill | cusco: fetchmail + procmail + formail would be my approach |
| 12:40.47 | Iridos | formail? |
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| 12:41.14 | themill | hmm.. maybe it can only mess with headers |
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| 12:42.33 | mastro | woshty, nope |
| 12:43.23 | Iridos | d0uglas, don't think so... you can pack to somewhere else, though, then erase, then copy back... it's probably only 1GB packed... there's USB sticks of that size and it's even an amount not impossible to transport over the network |
| 12:43.47 | bolt | d0uglas: compress it to a ramdisk |
| 12:43.53 | d0uglas | okay i can drum up a gig |
| 12:44.02 | d0uglas | nah need all my ram for caching |
| 12:44.17 | d0uglas | how the hell do they do that... crazy maths, this compression thing |
| 12:44.23 | d0uglas | thanks fellas |
| 12:44.31 | woshty | mastro: as you do not want to get rid of all the autodetect, you could just define a pointerdevice in an otherwise empty xorg.conf and make that device the corepointer with xinput .. if it does not become corepointer automatically .. no clue if that works, just read xinput manpage |
| 12:44.36 | Iridos | ascii text compresses well |
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| 12:45.44 | bolt | d0uglas: google or wikipedia will explain basic compression algorithms quite well |
| 12:45.56 | d0uglas | already pulling that up right now |
| 12:46.03 | mastro | woshty, thanks, i'll try reading xinput manpage |
| 12:46.13 | d0uglas | might as well start my day with a big waste of time embarking on a wikipedia adventure |
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| 12:46.48 | Iridos | write an article on something interesting... :-P |
| 12:47.35 | d0uglas | oh one other thing, what's your recommendation for a log rotation program /gzipping thing? Logrotate? Googling I'm finding random python scripts and cron jobs |
| 12:47.47 | mastro | woshty, hum... I see but the xinput see my pointer as a generic PS2 pointer... may be the issue is *above* that |
| 12:49.06 | Iridos | d0uglas, just install logrotate and configure when you want things deleted/how often you want it packed |
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| 12:49.27 | d0uglas | Cool. Okay I'll /disco lights before i come up with more questions, peppered you guys enough and thanks again |
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| 13:03.33 | koala_man | how do I make shell tools use another language? I did dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected a new locale, it shows up in locale -a, but export LANG or LC_ALL with this messages gives a bash error and no change |
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| 13:04.33 | colo-work | koala_man, which bash error? |
| 13:04.53 | koala_man | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (nb_NO.utf8) |
| 13:05.13 | colo-work | but that very locale is listed in the output of locale -a` |
| 13:05.15 | colo-work | ? |
| 13:05.48 | koala_man | yes |
| 13:06.13 | colo-work | does export LC_ALL=C give the same error? |
| 13:06.26 | koala_man | no |
| 13:06.49 | koala_man | if I start a new shell, I don't get that error. however, I don't get a different language either |
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| 13:07.09 | colo-work | can you set the desired locale in the newly instantiated shell? |
| 13:07.16 | colo-work | I mean, does it print an error there as well? |
| 13:07.32 | afernandez | hello i come in peace ........where could i find an easy manual to install debian with kde? |
| 13:07.41 | koala_man | yes, that works |
| 13:08.03 | colo-work | but it has no effect on any shell util's l10n? |
| 13:08.11 | koala_man | right |
| 13:08.20 | koala_man | I do 'ls asdfasdf' and it's still english |
| 13:08.25 | koala_man | the error message, I mean |
| 13:08.26 | colo-work | what utils have you tried that with? |
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| 13:09.25 | koala_man | I tried with ls and grep. at least grep has a grep.mo in /usr/share/locale/nb/LC_MESSAGES/ |
| 13:09.48 | colo-work | I see. defeats my theory before I even uttered it ;) |
| 13:10.12 | MarKsaitis | Is there an easy simple guide to set up a simple mail system for users on debian squeeze? |
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| 13:10.32 | afernandez | !x |
| 13:10.50 | afernandez | !kde |
| 13:10.50 | dpkg | K Desktop Environment (KDE) is based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
| 13:11.04 | afernandez | !install |
| 13:11.05 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 13:11.05 | colo-work | MarKsaitis, apt-get install postfix, run thru the debconf dialog, done. |
| 13:11.12 | themill | afernandez: feel free to /msg dpkg |
| 13:11.17 | afernandez | sorry |
| 13:11.24 | MarKsaitis | how do I run thorough the debconf dialog? |
| 13:11.27 | MarKsaitis | colo-work, |
| 13:11.28 | themill | MarKsaitis: you already have exim installed |
| 13:11.40 | MarKsaitis | themill, I think I do |
| 13:11.45 | MarKsaitis | I just dont know what to do with it |
| 13:11.58 | koala_man | ah, crap |
| 13:12.20 | stealthii | my issue with initrd has been fixed. no more help required :) |
| 13:12.44 | koala_man | colo-work: turns out I had LANGUAGE set. LC_ALL, LC_MESSAGES and LANG didn't do anything then |
| 13:12.56 | colo-work | ah crap ;) |
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| 13:14.04 | MarKsaitis | does exim just work by default? |
| 13:14.05 | MarKsaitis | :D |
| 13:14.11 | MarKsaitis | It seems I have it installed |
| 13:14.20 | MarKsaitis | I just want ppl to be able to send me emails to my domain |
| 13:14.39 | MarKsaitis | as well as I want clients to be aable to connect to the server to fetch email thorough IMAP |
| 13:15.14 | yomeister | incredible, when I send a wol package it wil not boot until I lift the lid. whithout the package it will boot only if you press the button even if you open and close it. Does anyone has any experiance with this? I want it to boot regardless of the state of the lid |
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| 13:16.02 | abrotman | MarKsaitis: this is on a colo-server or VPS or something right? It's at your residence? |
| 13:16.40 | colo-work | colo-servers are good, hard-working servers! |
| 13:16.50 | MarKsaitis | abrotman, I have a server at home with an ipv4 address. I have a domain name pointing to this IP as well as MX records set up to point here too! |
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| 13:17.05 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:17.06 | colo-work | yomeister, is most def. a firmware problem |
| 13:17.18 | MarKsaitis | huh what |
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| 13:17.31 | yomeister | colo-work: any way I could solve it? |
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| 13:19.22 | colo-work | yomeister, short of asking the device's manufacturer for a fix, nope |
| 13:19.46 | MarKsaitis | colo-work, exim or postfix? Whats the diff in terms of easyness and admin GUIs? |
| 13:20.14 | yomeister | colo-work: you have been most helpfull, I'll try a hardware fix. Just disabling the open/close sensor. |
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| 13:20.28 | colo-work | yomeister, that's an idea, yeah :) |
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| 13:20.52 | colo-work | MarKsaitis, I don't know any "admin GUIs" for either. |
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| 13:21.08 | colo-work | I personally prefer Postfix as my MTA; though Debian ships exim as its default |
| 13:21.14 | colo-work | it's a matter of personal preference |
| 13:21.18 | MarKsaitis | ok |
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| 13:21.42 | colo-work | if you want to fetch delivered mail via IMAP, you also need an imap server |
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| 13:21.47 | MarKsaitis | I just want to set any of them up asap so I can receive, send email and use IMAP for clients |
| 13:21.48 | colo-work | SMTP is just for sending and delivering mail |
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| 13:22.11 | bolt | MarKsaitis: you could pick the relevant parts from this as a start: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-squeeze-ispconfig-2 |
| 13:22.12 | MarKsaitis | colo-work, which one of them comes with SMTP and IMAP? |
| 13:22.15 | bolt | don't do all the unrelated crap |
| 13:22.22 | MarKsaitis | bolong7, thanx will have a look |
| 13:22.27 | colo-work | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/275 - this may be outdated, but it should give you a general idea of how to set up dovecot (my preferred IMAP server) |
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| 13:23.13 | colo-work | you _usually_ don't have a single daemon that does both imap and smtp, you have two distrinct server programs that cooperate |
| 13:23.26 | MarKsaitis | do I need that dovecot for eiter postfix or exim? |
| 13:23.26 | colo-work | (there are exceptions to this rule, of course) |
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| 13:23.54 | bolt | MarKsaitis: one sends mail, the other lets you fetch it |
| 13:23.56 | bolt | MarKsaitis: so yes |
| 13:24.00 | colo-work | you want an MTA and an IMAP server. your MTA could be either Postfix, Exim, or something else, and your IMAP server could be dovecot or any of its alternatives |
| 13:24.02 | bolt | check the howto |
| 13:24.06 | redrain | Hi, I have 3 debian servers. But even with same timezones they are showing different times. Actually one is correct, but one of the others is 3 minutes back, ant last one 17 minutes... What could be the problem? |
| 13:24.21 | themill | !ntp |
| 13:24.21 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
| 13:24.23 | colo-work | redrain, install ntp and don't look back |
| 13:24.25 | bolt | redrain: do you use ntp? |
| 13:24.25 | MarKsaitis | bolt, im checking it out, looks sweet |
| 13:24.33 | psiklops | hi. where can i find a list of the packages (businesscard.iso) |
| 13:24.36 | redrain | bolt, no |
| 13:24.37 | colo-work | computers' hardware clocks are inaccurate most of the time |
| 13:24.42 | bolt | redrain: do that |
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| 13:24.54 | redrain | !ntp |
| 13:24.54 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
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| 13:28.37 | Logi | I've been on ubuntu for a while, but want to try going back to debian/testing on my nifty new thinkpad X220. But (there had to be a but) the installer doesn't seem to find my ethernet card. lspci says intel 82579LM and I think that's supposed to be the e1000e module, which is on the installation disk, and I can load, but ethdetect is not happy. |
| 13:29.00 | Logi | what to do? |
| 13:29.13 | bolt | Logi: you probably need a newer kernel which has an updated e1000e module with support for that card |
| 13:29.31 | colo-work | Logi, I have the same NIC, works fine on the OpenSUSE 12.1 m3 kernel (3.0.0rc7 that is) |
| 13:29.33 | themill | the wheezy kernel should support it, the installer kernel won't |
| 13:29.33 | rozie | Logi: try kmuto unofficial installer |
| 13:29.39 | themill | !kmuto |
| 13:29.39 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.38) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. |
| 13:30.04 | Logi | thanks, that all sounds right and I'll try kmuto |
| 13:30.18 | Logi | or his installer anyway :) |
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| 13:44.48 | SandmanNet | Command to print out just my ip number? (for using in sed in a command for instance) |
| 13:45.14 | themill | !what's my ip |
| 13:45.14 | dpkg | To get your IP address: /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 13:45.40 | SandmanNet | Noo... I want a command for to print out the ip of my box |
| 13:45.47 | SandmanNet | Hmm, how to explain |
| 13:45.57 | SandmanNet | I want to automatically set the host names |
| 13:46.08 | SandmanNet | in /etc/hostnam,e |
| 13:46.19 | SandmanNet | And then run a shell command on all debian boxes |
| 13:46.44 | SandmanNet | With something like: "echo GMC > /etc/hostname; echo <part of IP> >> /etc/hostname" |
| 13:46.58 | SandmanNet | (which would put them on two lines, so not that, but something like that |
| 13:47.48 | themill | SandmanNet: perhaps you should try why dpkg said...; but perhaps you should be looking to do this via a dhcpd. |
| 13:48.08 | SandmanNet | Hmmmm |
| 13:48.18 | SandmanNet | Yeah, maybe I misunderstood his reply, sorry about that if so |
| 13:48.46 | themill | poor misunderstood bot |
| 13:48.50 | SandmanNet | Hehe |
| 13:50.12 | th0r | themill: not the bot's fault....BOFH |
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| 13:51.46 | Bop | hi anyone to run the command time -o output.txt ps aux ? |
| 13:51.53 | Bop | it gives me error |
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| 13:52.23 | th0r | Bop: try time -o output.txt && ps aux? |
| 13:52.44 | Bop | but i want to log ps aux |
| 13:52.53 | th0r | Bop: but if you want them both output to the txt file....&& ps aux >> output.txt |
| 13:52.58 | colo-work | Bop, try `/usr/bin/time -o output.txt ps aux` |
| 13:53.08 | colo-work | you're using the shell builtin, not the program you read the manpage of |
| 13:53.14 | themill | Bop: you want /usr/bin/time not time; "type -a time" |
| 13:53.40 | Bop | ohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 13:53.47 | Bop | what is time shell keyword ? |
| 13:54.12 | themill | Bop: "help time" (or man bash-builtins) |
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| 13:55.05 | Bop | thanks themill colo-work |
| 13:55.16 | themill | actually, not in bash-builtins because it's a keyword not a builtin. *sigh* |
| 13:55.23 | Logi | Shouldn't I be able to "cat the-kmuto-boot.img > /dev/my_usb_stick && sync" and install from that? I can boot from it, but the installer then can't find an ISO image, probably because it fails to mount /dev/sdb. Also fdisk is very unhappy about the partition table on that stick. |
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| 14:00.20 | afernandez | i find debian quite dificult to install |
| 14:00.36 | afernandez | do i really nned to know all my hardware in this day and age? |
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| 14:01.30 | colo-work | afernandez, no you don't. could it be you're doing it wrong? :) |
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| 14:01.50 | somiaj | afernandez: it always helps, but no the squeeze installer is fairly automatic -- its only extreammly new hardware you have to know as some drivers may not have filtered into the squeeze kernel yet. You also need to know enough for firmware, but this is mainly network cards |
| 14:02.42 | afernandez | ok |
| 14:02.46 | afernandez | so i will go ahead |
| 14:02.56 | afernandez | i already download it squeeze 386 |
| 14:03.01 | afernandez | ill give it a shot |
| 14:03.07 | Logi | looks at his matte new X220 loaded with all the latest hardware and showing a solid red error screen |
| 14:03.12 | afernandez | thanks somiaj |
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| 14:13.19 | ayambit | I saved iptables rules as described here http://wiki.debian.org/iptables and discovered, that rules are not reloaded on reboot. If I manually say /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 14:13.25 | ayambit | rules are loaded. |
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| 14:13.55 | ayambit | It's debian 6.0 |
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| 14:14.07 | Iridos | Logi, you have to mount the usb stick afterwards and put a netinstall iso file on it... I'm pretty sure the installation guide tells you that |
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| 14:14.55 | abrotman | ayambit: ls -l /etc/networking/if-rep-up.d/iptables ? |
| 14:15.08 | abrotman | uh .. /network/ |
| 14:15.37 | Logi | Iridos: it probably does, but I'm deviating from the standard installation process at which point it becomes hard to keep track of what to follow from which guide |
| 14:15.49 | ayambit | Sec, I decided to aptitude update && aptitude upgrade first, just to be sure. |
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| 14:19.20 | ayambit | I got an error message, says run-parts exec format error |
| 14:21.35 | Furai` | REJOICE! |
| 14:21.50 | ayambit | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 71 Jul 28 18:10 /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 14:22.13 | ayambit | abrotman: it's seems ok to me, it runs if i say -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 71 Jul 28 18:10 /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 14:22.23 | ayambit | um, /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
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| 14:23.12 | cyrilb | hi |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | ayambit: can you paste the file somewhere? |
| 14:23.23 | cyrilb | http://bugs.deban.org/ -> Error 105 (net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED): Unable to resolve the server's DNS address. |
| 14:23.36 | abrotman | cyrilb: debian.org ... not deban.org |
| 14:24.11 | cyrilb | abrotman: erf |
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| 14:24.22 | abrotman | would like a desk for that head? |
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| 14:24.57 | ayambit | abrotman: it seems I made a mistake of inserting space before #!/bin/bash |
| 14:25.09 | ayambit | But how system hanged on reboot. |
| 14:25.17 | abrotman | that'll do it |
| 14:27.02 | mastro | which package should I pick to upgrade the kernel from SID on a debian testing? (want to avoid pinning) |
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| 14:27.15 | Logi | I'm sorry, but getting debian running is turning out to be ridiculously complex and I've been a linux user for well over 10 years |
| 14:27.30 | colo-work | Logi, then you are doing it wrong it seems. |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | used Debian as his first linux distro, over 10 years ago :) |
| 14:27.52 | Logi | abrotman: yeah, me too |
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| 14:28.47 | abrotman | Logi: Debian isn't hard ... |
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| 14:29.04 | Iridos | aww, dunno... lets go shopping |
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| 14:29.10 | Logi | is now messing with something called jigdo to download an iso to use with a custom boot image which may or may not be able to detect the ethernet card |
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| 14:29.11 | themill | Logi: any installer should install on that machine with the exception of the network card. |
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| 14:29.22 | mastroWork | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27162 |
| 14:29.24 | mastroWork | sorry.. .got disconnected |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:29.26 | mastroWork | But I need a new kernel because of this bug: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27162 |
| 14:29.38 | mastroWork | I may have lost the reply |
| 14:29.43 | themill | Logi: you can complete the installation without network access; then install a newer kernel from backports.org and be happy. |
| 14:29.59 | gkwhc | Hi, i tried switching a new desktop manager by using update-alternatives --config x-window-manager but it is not working! how can i diagnose this? |
| 14:30.01 | Logi | *shrug* if "with the exception of" sends me to 5 different locations to assemble something that might work, then we're at ridiculously complex |
| 14:30.21 | Iridos | what 5 different locations are these? |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | mastroWork: but testing has the .39 kernel already, where they claim it is fixed ? |
| 14:30.31 | Logi | themill: yes... I suppose, if I find a usb cd-rom drive somewhere and some blank CDs |
| 14:30.35 | nickSwe | I am trying to run command "apache2 -S", and I am currently logged in as su (root), but when I do so I get the following output: root@b3:/etc/apache2# apache2 -S |
| 14:30.35 | nickSwe | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
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| 14:30.56 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 14:30.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 14:31.01 | themill | Logi: no, "the exception of" means "stick a newer kernel package and linux-base package on a usb stick and copy it over". Alternatively, read the instructions and use the kmuto installer properly. |
| 14:31.09 | nickSwe | How to fix this error so that I get the output I am asking for? |
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| 14:31.39 | mastroWork | abrotman, .39-3, testing is .39-2 |
| 14:31.50 | Logi | Anyway, you guys have become predictably upset by me pointing this out. Just pretend I didn't say anything. |
| 14:31.59 | abrotman | mastroWork: -3, -2 is not the same as .3,.2 .. |
| 14:32.22 | MarKsaitis | update-rc.d: warning: saslauthd stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1) |
| 14:32.23 | MarKsaitis | To enable saslauthd, edit /etc/default/saslauthd and set START=yes ... (warning). |
| 14:32.23 | themill | Logi: it's seriously hard... |
| 14:32.28 | abrotman | let's go shopping |
| 14:32.30 | MarKsaitis | anybody understands this shit? |
| 14:32.32 | mastroWork | abaddon, ? |
| 14:32.37 | mastroWork | abrotman, ? |
| 14:32.37 | Iridos | abrotman, I said that! |
| 14:32.40 | mastroWork | sorry abaddon |
| 14:32.42 | abrotman | mastroWork: what? |
| 14:32.55 | mastroWork | abrotman, -3 and -2 are different |
| 14:33.02 | MarKsaitis | it came after installing sasl bins |
| 14:33.05 | Iridos | I think he wanted to shop, too |
| 14:33.08 | abrotman | mastroWork: 2.6.39-2-686-pae does NOT equate to 2.6.39.2 |
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| 14:34.02 | themill | Logi: I don't know what troubles you're having here... not following the instructions on how to use the installer seems to be the main problem. A standard squeeze install is pretty much limited in time by the speed of your hard disk... you hit enter 7 times and type a password. |
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| 14:34.22 | Logi | it doesn't detect my ethernet card |
| 14:34.43 | themill | gives up |
| 14:34.46 | abrotman | is pretty sure themill already covered that |
| 14:34.52 | Logi | I tried first a small netinstall image, then a larger image hoping it would have more drivers |
| 14:35.07 | mastroWork | abrotman, you are saying that the debian -2 is not the vanilla -2 modified but it's already the -3 ? |
| 14:35.08 | themill | Logi: the installer is identical on each cd image |
| 14:35.13 | Logi | then someone suggested using the unofficial image, which I find no instructions for |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | mastroWork: i'm saying that the -#- is not related to the 2.6.xx.# |
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| 14:36.14 | Logi | then there is a side-quest about jigdo and now I'm looking at debian/testing jigdo files. Is that 58 CDs? |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | oh god .. you don't need jigdo, it won't solve your problem |
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| 14:36.53 | Logi | it won't solve my problem, but debian asks me please to use it to save bandwidth and I think that's only fair |
| 14:37.18 | themill | Logi: downloading tens of thousands of packages you won't install is hardly saving bandwidth. |
| 14:37.20 | abrotman | you should use the netinst .. jidgo won't save bandwidth |
| 14:37.24 | LarsT | hello |
| 14:37.35 | LarsT | is debian using compiz by default |
| 14:37.38 | abrotman | !tell Logi about kmuto |
| 14:37.41 | abrotman | LarsT: nope |
| 14:37.42 | themill | Logi: and the kmuto installer does have a very extensive manual; /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:37.59 | abrotman | (does any distro use compiz by default?) |
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| 14:38.54 | Logi | themill: all of this is completely obvious when you already know it. When you see a maze of options and suggestions, then it's most certainly not |
| 14:39.30 | themill | Logi: you could try asking questions when you don't understand something rather than ranting about how it's so hard... |
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| 14:40.40 | LarsT | abrotman: good because shit compiz has a problem |
| 14:40.54 | abrotman | is that all you wanted to say? |
| 14:41.01 | LarsT | the desktop wall |
| 14:41.14 | LarsT | the window maximizes where it is most |
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| 14:43.23 | abrotman | LarsT: do you actually need help? #bitch-fest is on another network |
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| 14:53.53 | laidback_01 | lol |
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| 14:55.23 | SuperNull | Random..is it possible to get a software raid volume to bootable ? or must i make the grub partition ext directly ? |
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| 14:56.18 | mjt | you can boot off a raid1 volume just fine |
| 14:56.33 | SuperNull | hmmm |
| 14:56.55 | mjt | for raid5 and maybe raid10 were were some stuff in grub2 but i don't remember how mature they are. |
| 14:56.58 | SuperNull | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.28 | mjt | it depends on what it complains about, don't you think? |
| 14:57.38 | SuperNull | so grub gets loaded in mbr and points to /boot (raid volume mirror) |
| 14:57.40 | SuperNull | yeah true.. |
| 14:57.46 | mjt | (unless it just curses at you somehow ;) |
| 14:58.02 | SuperNull | heh. no thats lilo cursing at me in the old days |
| 14:58.15 | SuperNull | if i create everything raid except /boot all is good. |
| 14:58.48 | mjt | there are different raid levels and different variants of each level, too - for one thing, different placements of metadata. |
| 14:59.04 | Logi | Are there no netinst images for debian/testing? |
| 14:59.37 | abrotman | Logi: use the kmuto images |
| 15:00.09 | abrotman | Logi: i386? |
| 15:00.13 | Logi | amd64 |
| 15:00.26 | abrotman | Logi: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/squeeze-custom-amd64-0710.iso |
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| 15:00.58 | abrotman | it has a newer kernel |
| 15:01.00 | Logi | and what do I do with that iso? I have no cd-rom drive and no CDs, but a large anough usb stick |
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| 15:01.07 | SuperNull | let me go run through setup again and i will get the message .. sry for newbin it. wasnt sure if it was a common fubar. |
| 15:01.15 | abrotman | !tell Logi about usb install |
| 15:01.18 | abrotman | same instructions |
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| 15:01.29 | abrotman | wonders how jigdo was supposed to help without a CD drive ... |
| 15:02.07 | Logi | I don't know that either, but debian.org repeatedly ask you to please use that rather than http |
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| 15:02.32 | abrotman | anyway ... |
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| 15:04.06 | Logi | and I've still not found any documentation about how to use the kmuto installer. It has some FAQs and a link to the more general FAQ, but doesn't tell me what to do with the image. My guesses led to a bootable usb stick which can't mount itself and doesn't find an ISO. |
| 15:04.51 | abrotman | the dpkg bot already told you about the usb install ... |
| 15:05.00 | abrotman | cat foo.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 15:05.14 | abrotman | cat foo.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync |
| 15:05.14 | Logi | which I've done repeatedly with various images and various levels of success |
| 15:05.15 | themill | [15:37] <themill> Logi: and the kmuto installer does have a very extensive manual; /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:05.28 | abrotman | Logi: i've done that about 20 times, haven't had it fail yet |
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| 15:05.55 | abrotman | it's only two freaking commands .. not sure how you mess that up |
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| 15:06.16 | Logi | abrotman: here is a thought. Perhaps I didn't mess it up and there is actually a problem. |
| 15:06.23 | mjt | if that's literal "foo.iso".... ;) |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | uhhuh ... |
| 15:06.34 | Logi | abrotman: I know it's very difficult to consider such a thing, but let's do it as a thought experiment, eh? |
| 15:06.37 | GD1000 | just want to let you guys know... I enjoying the feel of installing debian over ubuntu, but once I booted, I gave up after realising I couldn't find a way of setting up my cable internet. Searched on the internet but there's isn't much discusion about Debian compared to Ubuntu. |
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| 15:07.07 | abrotman | GD1000: is there a router between you and your cable modem? or was it direct via usb ? |
| 15:07.13 | Logi | and I have to say, the arrogance in this channel is thick enough to bludgeon a bear with |
| 15:07.40 | abrotman | yay .. we're all morons and you're the genius |
| 15:07.43 | GD1000 | it's a direct connection through LAN port to the cable guy's local setup |
| 15:08.01 | Logi | abrotman: not at all. But you seem to assume that I'm an idiot. |
| 15:08.11 | themill | Logi: you'll find that it's entirely reflective; you rant, you ignore people's suggestions and then you wonder why you get less help. You might like to look at all the other people who have come and gone away happy. |
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| 15:09.35 | GD1000 | it's a direct connection through LAN port to the cable guy's local setup |
| 15:09.51 | GD1000 | abrotman: it's a direct connection through LAN port to the cable guy's local setup |
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| 15:10.04 | mjt | if the cable guy's local setup runs a dhcp server debian should pick everything up automatically |
| 15:10.14 | mjt | ie, there's nothing to discuss basically |
| 15:10.46 | GD1000 | well... when using Windows (or Ubuntu) I had a way of putting in my service provider's name and then username and paswword... Can't find that in Debian |
| 15:10.55 | mjt | if it doesn't have dhcp, you'll have to configure stuff manually, and if it have dhcp but it's not working... |
| 15:11.03 | mjt | aha, so it's a sort of vpn |
| 15:11.10 | mjt | which is entirely different case |
| 15:11.32 | mjt | what kind of connection is that? pptp? |
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| 15:11.55 | GD1000 | i'm not good in that kind of stuff mjt |
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| 15:12.22 | GD1000 | it's just a lot of fildling with the GUI on windows that made it work for me... can't say the same about debian since there's nothing to fiddle with mjt |
| 15:12.30 | mjt | how the dialog where you enter your ISP details is titled? How your ISP names that stuff? What they suggest to open to configure it in windows? |
| 15:12.31 | GD1000 | the GUI i m ean |
| 15:12.49 | mjt | um, your isp should have a guide how to configure it in windows |
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| 15:13.17 | GD1000 | asking my cable guy himself is useless. I remember how useless it was when I was trying it on Ubuntu. They have no clue about anything except Windows. On Ubuntu though i figured it out since there were clear options available in the network icon |
| 15:13.31 | mjt | but besides, anyone know if windows supports anything else with "username and password" besides pptp, out of the box? |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | GD1000: so it's pppoe ? |
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| 15:14.02 | mjt | pptp or pppoe, both works on windows |
| 15:14.21 | GD1000 | I'm using windows 7. right now when I click on the network icon and it pop's up my connect network in shown under the title 'dial up and vpn'.. do i need to paste a screenshot? |
| 15:14.45 | mjt | that may help, yes. |
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| 15:15.05 | GD1000 | screenshot of what? the pop up? and where do i paste it? |
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| 15:16.03 | mjt | the dialog with the parameters. what it have besides username/password? A "vpn server" maybe? Several fields like "VC<something>" where you enter digits like 50/20 ? |
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| 15:16.28 | abrotman | !tell GD1000 about pppoeconf |
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| 15:16.47 | mjt | why do you think it's pppoe? ;) |
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| 15:17.38 | mjt | starts a win7 vm to see that dialog... |
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| 15:17.57 | abrotman | it used to be the common method for ISPs |
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| 15:18.13 | mjt | here in ru pptp is much more popular |
| 15:18.45 | colo-work | I thought A1 in Austria was the only pptp user _worldwide_ |
| 15:18.49 | colo-work | seems like I stand corrected |
| 15:19.31 | GD1000 | guys... don't trouble yourself... I have to log off and do something else. Also watching a video on this distro called 'pinguyOS'.. but let's see. Thanks for the discussiont though :) |
| 15:19.47 | mjt | heh |
| 15:20.08 | mjt | btw, where's that dialup networking in win7?? :) |
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| 15:20.31 | mjt | oh n/m, found it. |
| 15:20.35 | Featurefreak | hmm, having trouble with a basic setup for a web server, just adding some custom virtualhosts and apache doesn't seem to have permission to view the directory |
| 15:20.36 | GD1000 | :) |
| 15:21.08 | GD1000 | mjt: abrotman Take care guys. |
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| 15:21.58 | quebra | hi |
| 15:22.00 | mjt | GD1000: now i'm curious :) |
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| 15:22.21 | quebra | i installed windows and now my grub is gone, i can't boot to my debian anymore |
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| 15:22.24 | quebra | what should i do ? |
| 15:23.02 | Featurefreak | quebra, boot from a live cd |
| 15:23.07 | quebra | already booted |
| 15:23.12 | Featurefreak | quebra, you can re-install grub from the /boot partition |
| 15:23.13 | quebra | but when i type 'grub' |
| 15:23.18 | quebra | i get "no such command" |
| 15:23.24 | Featurefreak | run it from emm.. one sec |
| 15:23.25 | quebra | how ? |
| 15:23.38 | quebra | ok |
| 15:23.44 | mjt | abrotman: either i can't find it, or pppoe isn't in win7 out of the box. But pptp is here :) But ok, i'm shutting up now :) |
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| 15:23.47 | themill | !fixgrub |
| 15:23.47 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 15:23.59 | Featurefreak | there ya go |
| 15:24.05 | quebra | ;o |
| 15:24.07 | quebra | ok let me try |
| 15:24.21 | mjt | the important part is that "whatever" :) |
| 15:25.08 | themill | mjt: quite! but that's not normally hard to work out |
| 15:25.36 | quebra | wow |
| 15:25.41 | burhan | I am creating a request to get an exception through the firewall at work for debian updates. So far I have ftp.us.debian.org:80 and security.debian.org:80 in the request, any other hosts I should add so I am able to install/upgrade servers? |
| 15:25.41 | quebra | that was solid reply |
| 15:25.45 | quebra | works now thanks :) |
| 15:26.44 | mjt | i think a d-i should provide a command like mount-installed which displays a menu of systems installed in a hdd with ability to mount each with all the extra filesystems like /dev & /proc. |
| 15:27.56 | themill | quebra: excellent! happy hunting. |
| 15:28.33 | Featurefreak | i can't get any vhosts to work here... grrr |
| 15:28.55 | themill | burhan: ftp.us.d.o is on a dns round-robin and hosts get added and removed from it from time to time; you might want to specify a specific mirror that is good for you to use (/msg dpkg mirrors) |
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| 15:29.25 | burhan | themill: is that the same case with security.debian.org? |
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| 15:30.01 | themill | burhan: Yes, although that's a geo-dns thing instead aiui. Alternatively, can you use an http_proxy for this? |
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| 15:32.07 | burhan | themill: there is an http proxy already but it needs user auth, and the password has as # which seems to not work (tried it while installing) |
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| 15:32.37 | burhan | themill: hence the request for an exception. |
| 15:32.43 | themill | burhan: hmm... there shouldn't be issues like that, but I've never tried it with authenticated proxies. |
| 15:32.57 | burhan | its also NTLM |
| 15:33.09 | themill | URL encoding the # might be necessary |
| 15:33.14 | burhan | tried that as well. |
| 15:33.22 | themill | heh |
| 15:33.27 | burhan | it immediately went to cannot reach error. |
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| 15:36.08 | burhan | and no local mirrors near my location :( |
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| 15:37.42 | burhan | what's the difference between apt-mirror and debmirror? |
| 15:37.45 | Logi | ok, the install is finally running. Iridos told me the missing bit of info a good while ago, that I need to copy an ISO onto the USB created from the kmuto and I (still) expect that the image suggested byabrotman will work |
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| 15:38.40 | Logi | But I still don't see this documented anywhere. I guessed it from observing the installer and then went back to the logs to find where Iridos had told me |
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| 15:51.49 | Featurefreak | arrg, i chmod -R 777 all the way to root for the /var/www/vhostname/www/ and the vhost just doesn't load, permission denied,, but ... nothing is writting to error.log or the vhosts own error.log |
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| 15:52.37 | dw | Featurefreak: shut down apache (assuming its apache), then strace -o /tmp/junk -ff /etc/init.d/apache2 start , let it start up and fail, then grep EPERM /tmp/junk* will get you the filename |
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| 15:52.57 | DasEi | I used dpkg --get-selections > packages on a former system and now want to reinstall these packages on a newer one, but can't figure it out, i tried dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get -u dselect-upgrade, which didn't either work nor throw me an error, hint ? |
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| 15:53.09 | Logi | Running dist-upgrade to testing and all looks well so far. The x220 runs suspiciously cool :) |
| 15:54.05 | DasEi | !clone |
| 15:54.05 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 15:54.15 | Featurefreak | dw, the server isn't failing, when i visit the page i gegt nothing |
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| 15:56.02 | mjt | .msg dpkg wuattd |
| 15:56.04 | mjt | er |
| 15:57.30 | dw | Featurefreak: well then, perhaps it isn't a permissions problem :) |
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| 15:57.49 | karlpinc_ | !tell DasEi about aptitude clone |
| 15:58.03 | Featurefreak | dw, like i said I sudo chmod -R 777 /var/www/vhostname |
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| 15:58.41 | Featurefreak | so it can't be permissions. |
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| 15:58.53 | Featurefreak | the path in the vhost i've tripple checked, it's correct |
| 15:58.55 | themill | DasEi: does your "packages" file that you copied across seem right? |
| 15:59.22 | DasEi | themill: yes |
| 15:59.34 | Featurefreak | i've checked the servername and it is also the correct name for the vhost and what i'm visiting |
| 15:59.53 | themill | DasEi: what does "apt-get dselect-upgrade" want to do? |
| 15:59.59 | DasEi | karlpinc_: thannk you I will try if that --get-selectiongs thingy isn't workable |
| 16:00.05 | Featurefreak | I can't see a log for my visits anywhere, so it must be something else. |
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| 16:00.38 | DasEi | themill: it merely installed some hold-back packages, but not the set-selected packages |
| 16:00.42 | Featurefreak | ahhhhhhh |
| 16:01.03 | Featurefreak | it's landing in some other vhost, getting picked up by another host |
| 16:01.04 | Featurefreak | damnit |
| 16:01.32 | themill | DasEi: these steps won't lead to packages being *reinstalled* only packages being installed that were not previously installed. |
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| 16:06.14 | DasEi | themill, karlpinc_ , I will reboot and try the bot's suggestion, thanks |
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| 16:15.41 | SuperNull | hey Guys, i got a screen shot (ala android phone) of my raid 1 booting problems: http://i.imgur.com/26ZpR.jpg |
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| 16:17.07 | mjt | your problem is the 2nd line (counting from top) |
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| 16:18.12 | SuperNull | ... alright... this is right after debian latest netinstall :-( |
| 16:18.29 | mjt | mdadm is a tool to assemble software raid arrays. it been told to assemble som array but didn't find any of its components. So it's curious what it been told to assemble. |
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| 16:20.20 | mjt | if you know which component devices there are and which device it should be, you can try to assemble it manually |
| 16:20.42 | mjt | like mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 (with proper devices ofcourse) |
| 16:20.53 | daGrevis | Hello, guys! Can you help me set up Compiz on Debian? I have a few problems, discussed here... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67286 |
| 16:21.18 | SuperNull | im not at the machine directly right now does the busybox shell have mdadm access ? |
| 16:21.18 | daGrevis | I would really appreciate your help! |
| 16:21.53 | mjt | mdadm is in initramfs obviously, among other commands |
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| 16:22.53 | SuperNull | alright let me go hit it witha hammer and ill probably either success or epic fail. |
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| 16:23.42 | mjt | daGrevis: you don't have to mess with xorg.conf anymore - you can just delete that file entirely |
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| 16:24.15 | daGrevis | mjt, okay. i will. after that... how to enable Compiz? |
| 16:24.31 | mjt | you have to start gnome first |
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| 16:24.48 | mjt | why are you trying to do that from root? |
| 16:25.10 | mjt | you want to enable compiz for your user, not for root, no? |
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| 16:26.30 | daGrevis | mjt, yes. i want to enable Compiz for my account. so u say that i need to delete xorg.org, then reboot, log in my account from gnome... and? |
| 16:26.42 | mjt | !compiz |
| 16:26.42 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:28.01 | mjt | that wiki page tells you how to actually run compiz - just once or for subsequent sessions |
| 16:28.27 | Viper | you need 3d for compiz |
| 16:28.48 | daGrevis | I tried like gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz , but it give me an error. |
| 16:28.50 | mjt | yes, proper driver is needed |
| 16:29.06 | mjt | daGrevis: because you tried it as root, and i alredy told you about that |
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| 16:29.22 | mjt | it tried to change that setting for root, but there it doesn't exist. |
| 16:29.30 | mjt | (roughly speaking) |
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| 16:29.52 | SuperNull | i think i just got too excited.. that server has ip KVM for lazy people like me :) |
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| 16:30.13 | daGrevis | ohh |
| 16:30.15 | daGrevis | got it |
| 16:30.32 | mjt | don't do that till you tried the first step there (compiz --replace) |
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| 16:31.21 | daGrevis | mjt, it blinked my monitor for few times |
| 16:31.25 | daGrevis | and nothing happened |
| 16:31.30 | daGrevis | now that 2nd cmd? |
| 16:31.43 | daGrevis | uu, no. i got error |
| 16:31.53 | mjt | sigh. as you wish. i gave up. |
| 16:32.27 | daGrevis | http://paste.debian.net/124383/ |
| 16:32.32 | an0 | Hey all, I need to create a user account with SSH access only, and when they log in, a script runs immediately, and if they stop the script (i.e CTRL+C), their session is closed. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 16:32.41 | woshty | i am running wheezy .. how to get all grub2 editing to be password protected? |
| 16:33.54 | an0 | Or else, is there an easy way to display real-time script output on a web page from the server the script runs on? I could use this as well. |
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| 16:34.06 | woshty | an0: change their login shell in /etc/password |
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| 16:34.54 | nickSwe | which torrent client (command line) for debian is the best one out there? |
| 16:35.13 | woshty | nickSwe: curses? |
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| 16:36.27 | mjt | daGrevis: (relaxed a bit...) compiz --replace will already run compiz in your _current_ session _only_ (so after re-login you'll get back your previous window manager again). Will run or will fail. it's a test before switching a window manager permanently |
| 16:37.04 | Iridos | Logi, "/msg dpkg usb install" gives you the factoid with the relevant link: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 16:37.07 | mjt | daGrevis: so right now it fails to run, tellin you that you don't have hardware 3d acceleration available |
| 16:37.13 | an0 | woshty: to what? |
| 16:37.22 | an0 | woshty: sorry, thats not what i meant. one sec. |
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| 16:37.31 | Iridos | eww, and it's giving me the page in my local language again... I *hate* that |
| 16:37.32 | daGrevis | mjt, okay. it would enable compiz for this session. thats okay for testing. Anyway, I got those errors... so how to fix it? |
| 16:37.37 | an0 | woshty: what does that do, and how do i include the script? |
| 16:37.55 | alemani | hello, I've a desktop-system which I upgrade from lenny to squeeze, everything went OK except that keyboard does not work on the GDM login screen |
| 16:37.55 | mjt | daGrevis: and that's the most problematic really. |
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| 16:38.19 | mjt | anyone know if squeeze radeon ddx drivers will work (3d) with more recent kernels? |
| 16:38.22 | daGrevis | mjt, yee. one guy say to install that, one say to install something different. :( im confused and as u see - not so smart here. |
| 16:38.30 | alemani | I can connect via SSH fine and do my work that way but since is a desktop I would like to correct the keyboard issue |
| 16:38.33 | nickSwe | woshty, thanks... reading up on it atm! |
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| 16:39.03 | daGrevis | mjt, maybe you can spot something useful http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67286 ? |
| 16:39.05 | alemani | do you know if I need to change some udev rule or something ? |
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| 16:39.45 | mjt | daGrevis: there are 2 alternative drivers available for radeon cards: fgrlx from ATI/AMD (proprietary) - there, they stopped supporting "older" cards. And open-source radeon driver, but squeeze may have an outdated version of it to work on your card. What card is that, anyway? |
| 16:39.47 | woshty | an0: that determines which shell/program is started when the user logs in |
| 16:40.03 | Logi | Iridos: except it doesn't apply if you're using the kmuto installer and need to place an ISO file on the usb stick (or elsewhere tha the installer can find it) |
| 16:40.03 | mjt | ah, rs690 |
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| 16:40.43 | mjt | daGrevis: do you have xserver-xorg-video-radeon package installed, and radeon.ko kernel module loaded? |
| 16:41.08 | an0 | woshty: I see. I created a user 'test', set the password to 'test' (it's just a local box), and ran 'usermod -s /etc/password test' |
| 16:41.10 | Logi | Iridos: and I really can't find anywhere that says that the kmuto installer needs an ISO placed "on it" once it's been cat'd to the usb |
| 16:41.15 | an0 | woshty: now I can't login as test via ssh |
| 16:41.27 | Logi | Iridos: except your comment a while back |
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| 16:41.32 | Iridos | Logi, it doesn't mention kmuto, but the same procedure as for regular install images applies for kmuto |
| 16:41.44 | daGrevis | mjt, ATI RS690. How can I check that I have that package and that module? |
| 16:42.09 | mjt | daGrevis: dpkg -l | grep radeon, and lsmod | grep radeon |
| 16:42.22 | Logi | Iridos: no it doesn't. The FS on the usb stick created with the kmuto installer contains no ISO image. And I tried it start-to-finish several times |
| 16:42.28 | mjt | (or /sbin/lsmod - no sudo is necessary) |
| 16:42.41 | Iridos | I would paste the relevant bit but right now can't figure out how to switch language on that page (*sigh*) |
| 16:43.03 | Logi | I then took one of those "failed" usb sticks and put a backport ISO on it, at which point the installer ran. It always booted, but complained about not finding an ISO. |
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| 16:43.23 | Iridos | Logi, neither does any other "create" an iso on the stick... but the instructions tell you to put it there |
| 16:44.03 | woshty | an0: no, the shell is defined in /etc/password .. u should the shell to a script containing a shell plus command |
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| 16:44.25 | woshty | an0: instead of usermod you could have edited /etc/password directly |
| 16:44.30 | Logi | The normal net install images worked using the instructions on that page and did not need an ISO placed on them. Well, up to the point where the ethernet wasn't supported. |
| 16:44.41 | woshty | an0: but usermod is nicer |
| 16:44.49 | mjt | use vipw to edit /etc/password directly |
| 16:44.55 | mjt | passwd even |
| 16:45.03 | an0 | woshty: so wait, you said set the shell to /etc/password, so i did, not i need to modify /etc/password? |
| 16:45.11 | an0 | woshty: ugh i fail so hard. |
| 16:45.48 | daGrevis_ | mjt, http://paste.debian.net/124385/ |
| 16:46.01 | an0 | woshty: /etc/password doesnt exist, but /etc/passwd does. should I use that? |
| 16:46.03 | Logi | Iridos: also, with everyone mockingly shouting "it's two commands, cat foo.iso > /dev/sdX && sync, how can you fail that", I don't know. You'd expect it to be two commands and then work. |
| 16:46.18 | Iridos | Logi, oh... maybe stuff changed from lenny to squeeze, but the unofficial kmuto hasn't caught up with the changes and still uses the system that was in place for lenny |
| 16:47.11 | woshty | an0: yes, but there might be an easier way .. one sec plz |
| 16:47.22 | Logi | Iridos: That sounds plausible. In that case either kmuto needs updating or to add a paragraph of explanation |
| 16:47.29 | Iridos | Logi, but http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en says: After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done. |
| 16:47.30 | an0 | woshty: ok :) |
| 16:47.43 | Iridos | that's the instructions I was referring to and what I thought you would use |
| 16:47.49 | mjt | daGrevis_: that all looks very well, but honestly i don't remember if that version supports your video "card" or not. You may try looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log trying to figure it out. Or maybe someone else will answer this here. I've been fighting with radeon slowly since debian etch, following its upstream development, and now here it works allright... ;) |
| 16:48.20 | Logi | Iridos: yeah, that's "an alternative way to..." and I was beginning to explore that |
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| 16:49.20 | daGrevis_ | mjt, i am not able to figure it out. thats for sure. :( so you say that i need to enable 3d acceleration? somehow |
| 16:49.35 | an0 | woshty: wait, i've been changing their shell TO /etc/passwd. that's not right, is it? you said to change it IN /etc/passwd. what do I change it to? the path of the script? |
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| 16:49.54 | Logi | Iridos: I end up doing about 3 "alternative" things, at which point the search tree for an installation procedure that works has gotten pretty big |
| 16:50.06 | woshty | an0: there is a file .profile in the uses home dir .. add the script and in the next line logout |
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| 16:50.17 | an0 | k |
| 16:50.26 | Logi | Iridos: not that I want to be bothering you. You're the one who pointed out the missing bit :) |
| 16:50.38 | an0 | woshty: what should their shell be set to in /etc/passwd? |
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| 16:50.52 | woshty | an0: and change the shell back to /bin/bash for this |
| 16:50.53 | Iridos | Logi, well, as this was all because the network wouldn't work from the installer image, themill also pointed out to you hours ago that you can just finish a base install without working network, boot into the new system and work from there on |
| 16:50.59 | an0 | woshty: k |
| 16:51.32 | Iridos | the kmuto bit was because of that, I mean... you said it worked easily with a regular netinstall image |
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| 16:52.11 | woshty | an0: i am not absolutely certain that there isnt some nifty way to get out of that, but i use it |
| 16:52.30 | an0 | woshty: k one sec, trying it now |
| 16:52.46 | TheWarden | Hi, how would I do multiple IPs address on a single NIC? Any links would be much appreciated. |
| 16:52.49 | Logi | Iridos: I'd have done that if I had a cd-rom drive. I don't expect to miss it much after today. |
| 16:53.05 | woshty | an0: it should be at the bottom of .profile |
| 16:53.14 | burhan | TheWarden: /etc/network/interfaces eth0.1 eth0.2 etc. |
| 16:53.26 | Iridos | Logi, I must admit I didn't like the usb install instructions a lot 2 years ago... if I had known back then how to submit better ones, I would have probably written a revised version of that page... but I didn't and now I can't remember so much and anyway stuff might have changed with squeeze |
| 16:53.28 | themill | Logi: I missed the bit where the cd drive was necessary in this. |
| 16:53.46 | an0 | woshty: yep, I think its working but the script requires the user to be in the sudoers file to run it. will adding the user cause this whole thing to fail? |
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| 16:55.00 | TheWarden | burhan: right but I got confused by this http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch03_:_Linux_Networking#Multiple_IP_Addresses_on_a_Single_NIC. It says I should create a file to handle the aliases ifup and ifdown commands automatically. yet I don't see such a path |
| 16:55.17 | an0 | woshty: it works! xD |
| 16:55.21 | Logi | themill: did you miss the bit where the kmuto installer isn't compatible with the instructions in the guide? Are you in a position to add a comment that it needs the alternative procedure as described in 4.3.2? |
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| 16:55.52 | an0 | woshty: well kind of. when i hit CTRL+C, the user is left at a prompt.. and now with sudo abilities lol |
| 16:55.58 | Iridos | I think you missed the bit where I said that you didnt _have_ to use kmuto |
| 16:56.24 | themill | Logi: I was referring to: <Iridos> Logi, ... themill also pointed out to you hours ago that you can just finish a base install without working network, boot into the new system and work from there on <Logi> Iridos: I'd have done that if I had a cd-rom drive. I don't expect to miss it much after today. |
| 16:56.26 | woshty | an0: great, but be careful with sth like this on the open net .. the logout afterwards does not trigger? |
| 16:56.46 | an0 | woshty: okay. no it doesnt. |
| 16:56.47 | themill | Logi: I don't understand how a cd drive is necessary to complete the regular squeeze netinstall which you said was working fine. |
| 16:57.08 | an0 | woshty: without the user in the sudoers file, i cant run the script, then it logs me out. maybe its because of being in sudoers? |
| 16:57.39 | woshty | an0: it might be that you stay in a subshell or sth .. |
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| 16:57.51 | an0 | woshty: can i disable that? |
| 16:58.02 | woshty | an0: I dont know |
| 16:58.06 | Logi | themill: well, when I started looking for a cd image to install (from the usb stick) I was looking at a list of, what, 56 disks? At which point someone mockingly said something about the stupidity of downloading tens of thousands of packages that I wouldn't need |
| 16:58.32 | an0 | woshty: maybe i can change the script to not require root privs to run |
| 16:59.19 | themill | Logi: I can't work out if you deliberately ignore what people say or if you'd just be comfortable getting help in a different language. Is there another language that you'd be happier seeking help in? |
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| 16:59.46 | Iridos | Logi, well... that's true? And you needn't have downloaded those following themills advice... just boot into the new base install, get the bits needed for networking in on a usb stick, continue to install from the net |
| 17:00.05 | Logi | Look, you can keep on mocking me, I'm sure it'll blow your skirt for days, or I can tell you 2 or 3 places where the documentation is misleading. |
| 17:00.10 | woshty | an0: that might work. you will have to try. |
| 17:00.24 | Iridos | I didn't see anyone mocking you, actually |
| 17:00.25 | themill | Logi: please submit bugs with patches. So far, all I can see is rants and you not following instructions. |
| 17:00.32 | an0 | woshty: thanks for the help! |
| 17:00.33 | burhan | which java is available on squeeze? |
| 17:01.16 | themill | Logi: no-one is mocking and no-one is being supercilious here. Lots of people are sick of trying to help you and getting nowhere because you don't actually follow up advice you're ever given. |
| 17:01.24 | Logi | themill: Are you in a position to add a comment that it needs the alternative procedure as described in 4.3.2? |
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| 17:01.51 | themill | burhan: sun-java6 and openjdk-6; or did you want something more specific than that? |
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| 17:02.02 | woshty | an0: you are welcome |
| 17:02.08 | burhan | themill: thank you, that's what I was after. |
| 17:02.17 | themill | burhan: no worries; /msg dpkg install java |
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| 17:03.24 | burhan | does non-free go through the usual scrutiny in terms of stability as the standard packages? |
| 17:03.42 | burhan | is tired of "server" packages breaking things. |
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| 17:04.26 | themill | burhan: not really, partly because there's often no a way of fixing bugs in them. sun java is particularly slow to get security updates, for example. |
| 17:04.49 | sisif | Hello guys. Probably one of the most noob question, but: what permissions should I set to a mount point in fstab (/mnt/stuff), so that every use can r/rw , not only the user / dev owner ? |
| 17:05.04 | themill | burhan: you've also got to take it on trust that sun^Woracle has only applied security updates and not done other random fiddles in each updated package. |
| 17:05.26 | woshty | is there an eta on iceweasel5 for wheezy? |
| 17:05.38 | themill | dpkg: tell woshty about mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:05.59 | themill | woshty: it's likely to take a while as there are quite a few other xul-using packages that it breaks. |
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| 17:06.32 | Logi | The thing is that I made a usb disk using the kmuto installer (as suggested here) according to the instructions (repeatedly pasted to me when it didn't work) and my description of how it failed was compltely ignored. Yes, there was another installation procedure that I didn't explore completely, but there is a *lot* of installation procedures to try once the completely standard one doesn't work. |
| 17:06.33 | themill | woshty: err, that should be /msg dpkg iceweasel5 |
| 17:07.10 | Logi | how about at least updating the kmuto factoid to say you need to follow 4.3.2 for it to work (as things stand)? |
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| 17:07.17 | SuperNull | Soooo anyone know of a way to get a list of partition uuids to create mdadm config from scratch |
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| 17:07.45 | mjt | you're asking wrong question SuperNull |
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| 17:08.17 | SuperNull | what question should i be asking great master :-) |
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| 17:08.38 | Logi | hmm.. actually, it does link to the Lenny version of the manual which describes the older procedure |
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| 17:09.28 | woshty | themill: thx .. 3.5.19 is quite *err* annoying |
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| 17:09.54 | themill | woshty: quite; the backports from mozilla.debian.net are prepared by the maintainers and are of good quality |
| 17:09.54 | mjt | SuperNull: well, first question is obviously "why it doen't work out of the box". Second - I already told you, -- look at what devices it tries to assemble. You know how you configured it so you should know what partitions are parts of your raid array, and so shuuld be able to assemble that array using mdadm. |
| 17:10.29 | burhan | themill: true. |
| 17:10.40 | woshty | and they use a different name xulrunner package version and dont break anything? |
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| 17:10.55 | SuperNull | sure i mean the config is there and on initial review it looks spot on .. |
| 17:11.13 | mjt | SuperNull: there's no such thing as "partition UUID", at least not for msdos-style partitions (GPT has them). the raid UUID is recorded in a part of partitions where you created raid. |
| 17:11.43 | mjt | SuperNull: for that, use mdadm --examine /dev/sdN - for each device which has some raid info it will print something for you |
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| 17:12.16 | mjt | SuperNull: note that raid UUID is _not_ the same as that /dev/disk/by-uid/... thing it failed to mount -- that one is _filesystem_ uuid, not raid uuid. |
| 17:12.36 | SuperNull | uhgs. alright. |
| 17:12.58 | mjt | SuperNull: filesyystem-in-raid most likely |
| 17:13.16 | tharkun | Message from syslogd@tharkun at Jul 28 12:12:03 ... kernel:[ 6656.049676] Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP |
| 17:13.23 | tharkun | Any ideas? |
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| 17:14.07 | woshty | themill: do i want release, beta or aurora? |
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| 17:14.27 | themill | woshty: "release" is iceweasel5. this week. |
| 17:15.26 | tharkun | What does the set of numbers represent and how can i debug that? I am totally lost on this isue. Some more lines where sent to all the terminal |
| 17:15.47 | woshty | themill: ah, k, thx |
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| 17:19.58 | tharkun | Jul 28 12:12:03 tharkun kernel: [ 6656.049659] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000070 |
| 17:20.07 | tharkun | Is this serious? |
| 17:20.38 | TheWarden | How would one turn on the s-video port using xrandr? I believe that's the command I used before but now I can't recall what I did, I should have taken notes :) |
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| 17:24.41 | woshty | themill: strange .. i uninstalled old one, installed new .. iceweasel --version says 5.0 but starting it i get 3.5.19 .. |
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| 17:25.51 | themill | woshty: what does "apt-cache policy iceweasel" say? |
| 17:26.08 | SuperNull | mjt using mdadm --assemble --scan works flawless to get the mds up |
| 17:26.21 | themill | woshty: I take it you're sure you don't have a local installation of firefox or something around |
| 17:26.46 | twobitsprite | woshty: what does "which iceweasel" say? |
| 17:26.59 | woshty | themill: quite fresh, yes .. uninstalled all, now it is gone |
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| 17:27.17 | mjt | SuperNull: so you need to regenerate initramfs, most likely |
| 17:27.29 | mjt | SuperNull: that means your config is fine |
| 17:28.03 | SuperNull | thats disappointing. heh. |
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| 17:28.31 | woshty | twobitsprite: /usr/bin/iceweasel .. and i have 3-5-19 again |
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| 17:29.45 | aPpYe | huh ... I am trying unsuccessfully to get an automatic "old kernel removal" script to run at startup, I am using rc.local. Is there something I am doing wrong? Please view the comment section at the bottom of this to see what happens: |
| 17:29.47 | aPpYe | http://pastebin.com/zpwGEs0A ...code borrowed heavily from something I found called "ubucleaner" |
| 17:30.03 | woshty | themill: the apt-cache says Installed: 5.0-3~bpo60+1 |
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| 17:31.37 | SuperNull | mjt i dont suppose you can rebuild initramfs from inside it self. |
| 17:31.41 | aPpYe | the script seems to work fine when executed from a running system, but I get the weird results when it is run from rc.local |
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| 17:32.52 | aPpYe | I am guessing dpkg if messing up somehow? |
| 17:35.04 | woshty | i think there is still sth running in the background |
| 17:35.49 | stepkrav | when do we expect the new stable ? any news ? |
| 17:37.00 | aPpYe | woshty: sth? |
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| 17:37.45 | tharkun | themill: protection fault: 0000 [#2] SMP can you enlighten me with a keyword to look on how to debug this. I am totally lost :( |
| 17:37.59 | woshty | aPpYe: i was talking about my iceweasel update issue |
| 17:38.07 | aPpYe | woshty: oh |
| 17:38.15 | themill | tharkun: nfc. sorry |
| 17:38.22 | chai_ | hi, i'm trying to write a simple module and load it... I'm getting the error "No module found in object". Googled it, but still don't know what the root cause for this is |
| 17:38.34 | tharkun | themill: thanks at least you made me smile :) |
| 17:38.46 | themill | woshty: if an iceweasel is still running somewhere, running it again will cause a new window to open rather than a new browser to start |
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| 17:39.20 | twobitsprite | woshty: you can always try "killall firefox-bin" |
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| 17:40.33 | woshty | tried that .. did not work .. one wont disappear .. rebooting in a sec, just need a compile to finish |
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| 17:44.06 | woshty | it works |
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| 17:45.58 | t4nk806 | Hi, what would you recommend as a big enough size for a partition to install the Debian stable on a separate / partition? |
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| 17:47.37 | Bushmills | t4nk806: big enough that everything you want to ever run fits on it |
| 17:48.20 | t4nk806 | Bushmills: ok. full desktop, lots of multimedia, full office |
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| 17:49.05 | andrewmovi | hello. can i run a 64-bit userland on a 32-bit kernel with debootstrap? or can i only do the opposite? |
| 17:49.45 | mjt | andrewmovi: no |
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| 17:49.59 | Bushmills | t4nk806: 10 to 20 gig for everything except your multimedia files |
| 17:50.15 | t4nk806 | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 17:50.33 | kri5 | hi there |
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| 17:51.00 | kri5 | i'd like to know how to prevent users to be able to shutdown the system? |
| 17:51.24 | Woet | not giving them root access? |
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| 17:52.05 | dandersson | kri5: Do you mean through GUI, e.g. Gnome? |
| 17:52.17 | kri5 | Woet: just chmodding reboot and stuff like that? |
| 17:52.25 | Woet | no, not giving them root access. |
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| 17:52.48 | Woet | if it's a server of course. if it's a desktop, i'm not sure about permissions there. |
| 17:52.53 | kri5 | Woet: they dont have root access, but they still can shutdown the computer |
| 17:53.02 | Woet | desktop environment or server? |
| 17:53.18 | kri5 | dandersson: not necessarily, but yes also to prohibit this in login manager too |
| 17:53.26 | kri5 | Woet: desktop environement |
| 17:53.31 | Woet | cant help you then |
| 17:53.38 | kri5 | Woet: ok |
| 17:53.38 | Woet | good luck :) |
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| 17:54.20 | kri5 | dandersson: any ideas? |
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| 17:54.38 | Bushmills | kri5: change the key combination of ctrl-alt-delete in /etc/inittab, or comment it out |
| 17:55.15 | kri5 | Bushmills: it just disallow user to reboot throught this key combination, already done thx ;) |
| 17:55.17 | dandersson | I have to "sudo" to be able to use "shutdown". I know that Gnome enables regular users to shutdown/restart/etc through GUI, but that doesn't apply to me. That is probably controllable through Gnome settings. |
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| 17:56.22 | dandersson | (I don't use Gnome) |
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| 17:56.53 | kri5 | dandersson: i don't use it too, but my users does, and i use gdm for login |
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| 17:57.29 | kri5 | seems to be gnome related, thx |
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| 17:57.40 | kri5 | cant reboot througt console |
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| 17:58.39 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 17:59.25 | peterrooney | After installing kde, kget hijacked my default torrent application (transmission) from iceweasel. Is this a... Bug? Annoyance? Designed behaviour? |
| 18:00.17 | themill | peterrooney: occasionally iceweasel even respects your desktop environment's settings.... you can always just remove kget. |
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| 18:01.50 | peterrooney | themill, using enlightenment. I had previously set transmission manually in iceweasel. |
| 18:01.55 | Derpadong | so why do these apps like gwibber dont have a stable release with 0auth yet? |
| 18:02.00 | Derpadong | =P |
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| 18:03.29 | simonlnu | 0auth? |
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| 18:03.41 | simonlnu | you mean oauth maybe. ask them. |
| 18:04.06 | Derpadong | its called 0auth. |
| 18:04.10 | simonlnu | doesn't see BTS anywhere in the channel name |
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| 18:04.27 | simonlnu | no, look it up. it's with an o not a zero. |
| 18:04.28 | Derpadong | hm? |
| 18:04.48 | Derpadong | i couldve sworn it was an 0 |
| 18:05.19 | peterrooney | ah, the miracle of overloaded names in English. |
| 18:05.33 | themill | Derpadong: are you asking why gwibber doesn't have oauth support or why squeeze doesn't have gwibber with oauth support? These are entirely different questions. (more details and less smiley faces...) |
| 18:05.37 | simonlnu | well, i'll go see, and confirm/deny, but i'm pretty sure it's an o. indeed. |
| 18:06.01 | themill | ,info liboauth0 sid |
| 18:06.02 | judd | Package liboauth0 (libs, optional) in sid/i386: C library for implementing OAuth 1.0. Version: 0.9.4-1; Size: 17.2k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://liboauth.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:06.06 | simonlnu | yeh, it's an o, www.oauth.org |
| 18:06.42 | Derpadong | themill, your second question is what im asking. |
| 18:06.53 | simonlnu | (which redirects to oauth.net) |
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| 18:06.58 | themill | Derpadong: did gwibber have oauth support in June last year? |
| 18:07.27 | Derpadong | nah. twitter did an api change this year. sadface |
| 18:07.40 | Derpadong | went from plain text to oauth |
| 18:07.52 | simonlnu | been several months in fact |
| 18:08.11 | simonlnu | identi.ca did also, but they still allow basic |
| 18:08.13 | themill | Derpadong: right, so there'd be no chance of the stable release having that feature in it, would there? |
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| 18:08.28 | themill | Derpadong: (given that the packages in squeeze were frozen 12 months ago) |
| 18:08.40 | Derpadong | yeah. |
| 18:09.04 | Derpadong | i miss doing twitter and facebook at once from the desktop and not the browser |
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| 18:09.36 | Derpadong | sorry if im taking so long. im on my phone so replys get less. |
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| 18:11.58 | Derpadong | wasn't debian in a standstill for awhile before squeeze? |
| 18:12.51 | simonlnu | it's called a freeze. it's the 'natural' order of things in debian currently. |
| 18:13.44 | tharkun | themill: ended up on ##kernel some memory corruption I think due to the ntfs-g3 module or something like it. I'm waiting on the experts to examine syslog and I'll report back if it non hardware related |
| 18:14.00 | themill | tharkun: lovely. Good luck with it! |
| 18:14.07 | Derpadong | how long was that freeze? |
| 18:14.32 | simonlnu | i don't recall |
| 18:14.40 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
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| 18:15.41 | Derpadong | all toy story? |
| 18:15.45 | Derpadong | lol |
| 18:16.02 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:17.18 | Derpadong | so the next release is wheezy or sid? lol |
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| 18:18.27 | Derpadong | after wheezy, the next name should be rex. |
| 18:19.56 | simonlnu | rex is already done |
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| 18:20.06 | simonlnu | wheezy is next, 7.0 |
| 18:20.16 | simonlnu | !rex |
| 18:20.16 | dpkg | [rex] the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
| 18:20.51 | Derpadong | aww |
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| 18:26.16 | nickSwe | I just installed transmission-cli, and now I want to create a user that will run it. But I do not want the user to have a home directory under /home/transmission/... is that good practice or do you always have home directories for users in linux? I noticed that other users in my system does not have any home dirs (www-user, mediatomb, ftp etc...) |
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| 18:27.36 | pyroscope | they do have homes. they do not have a login. |
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| 18:28.04 | nickSwe | pyroscope, but there are no folders for the users under /home/... but that might be created upon first logon? |
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| 18:28.36 | pyroscope | cat /etc/passwd |
| 18:28.50 | burhan | nickSwe: I think in order for the user to login, they need a home directory - but I may be wrong. |
| 18:29.07 | slug | hi, i'm in the process of changing a package to a new upstream version. what's the best way to update the files within patches/ so that the package version is the new one? Should I just use sed to substitute, let's say 6.0 to 7.0 or does quilt has a command to do it for me? |
| 18:30.43 | nickSwe | pyroscope, aah so the home dir for my transmission user could be /var/run/transmission... and the shell can be defined as /bin/false ? |
| 18:31.21 | nickSwe | pyroscope, or how would you have done it? what is the "preferred" way? |
| 18:31.45 | pyroscope | i would've used rtorrent :P |
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| 18:32.06 | pyroscope | nickSwe: whatever fits your needs |
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| 18:32.32 | nickSwe | pyroscope, hehe just tried that too... just gonna try transmissioncli aswell... to see which fits my needs best. okay thank you... maybe does not matter that much |
| 18:33.58 | pyroscope | explore all options though... http://i.imgur.com/zbAT9.png </shameless-plug> |
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| 18:37.07 | LiENUS | anyone here use omsa tools for dell servers on debian? |
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| 18:46.00 | project2501b | what is the advantage of having the clock run on UTC, again? |
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| 18:49.15 | dondelelcaro | project2501b: UTC never does DST or anything, and all timezones are calculated as a UTC delta anyway |
| 18:50.44 | tensorpudding | if you keep your system clock set at UTC, you don't have to do anything special to it when you change timezones |
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| 18:53.38 | twobitsprite | just used logrotate as a make-shift backup scheduler and retention policy :) |
| 18:53.56 | twobitsprite | <-- genius :P |
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| 18:57.06 | clustermagnet | gents, question for the gurus :) how does one tell which kernel module is responsible for a certain piece of hardware? |
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| 18:57.20 | clustermagnet | ie… lsmod | grep blah … how do you tie that to a nic or an hba? |
| 18:57.21 | clustermagnet | thanks! |
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| 19:00.10 | Iridos | clustermagnet, you google it |
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| 19:00.28 | clustermagnet | Iridos: ;) nice |
| 19:00.40 | clustermagnet | Iridos: is this a good way to do this? lspci -v > tmp, less tmp |
| 19:00.55 | clustermagnet | find Ethernet controlller.. and read the line that says Kernel driver in use: e1000e |
| 19:00.57 | clustermagnet | ... |
| 19:01.08 | Iridos | clustermagnet, or for everything in your hardware that has a pciid, you can ask judd what driver is used |
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| 19:02.13 | aPpYe | I am wondering how the debian kernels are numbered ... for example right now I am running "2.6.39-2-686-pae" ... is there always a number (in this case, "2") between the actual version (2.6.39) and the architecture (686)? |
| 19:02.27 | daemonkeeper | This is the Debian version |
| 19:02.49 | Iridos | patchlevel |
| 19:03.17 | Iridos | aPpYe, only programs that are native to debian don't have a patchlevel... for the obvious reason |
| 19:03.26 | aPpYe | I figured that ... is the number **always** there? |
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| 19:03.35 | aPpYe | the dbian version/patchlevel |
| 19:03.37 | Iridos | clustermagnet, lspci -nn and it shows you the pciid |
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| 19:03.58 | aPpYe | I am writing a script for removing old versions and things would be easier for me if the number is ALWAYS there. |
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| 19:04.00 | Iridos | aPpYe, as I just said... if the application is native to debian, then it's not there |
| 19:04.08 | clustermagnet | Iridos: thank you |
| 19:04.29 | Iridos | judd, pciinfo 1002:4397 |
| 19:04.41 | Iridos | judd, pciid 1002:4397 |
| 19:04.42 | judd | [1002:4397] is 'SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 USB OHCI0 Controller' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:4397 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 19:04.43 | clustermagnet | Iridos: judd not installed on target :) |
| 19:04.50 | Iridos | clustermagnet, like that ^^^ |
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| 19:05.00 | Iridos | aPpYe, "dpkg -l dpkg" |
| 19:05.00 | clustermagnet | oh lolza |
| 19:05.06 | clustermagnet | judd xoxo |
| 19:05.08 | daemonkeeper | See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges |
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| 19:05.25 | aPpYe | Iridos: I am not quit sure what you mean by "if the application is native to debian" I am referring to the kernel versions only, not any other apps. |
| 19:06.02 | clustermagnet | judd, pciid 8086:1502 |
| 19:06.04 | judd | [8086:1502] is '82579LM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1502 |
| 19:06.16 | Iridos | aPpYe, native to == written by someone from debian for debian ... in that case there is no point for having a patchlevel, as you don't apply patches to some external software |
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| 19:07.04 | Iridos | aPpYe, native to == written by someone from debian for debian ... in that case there is no point for having a patchlevel, as you don't apply patches to some external software for the debian build of said software* |
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| 19:10.17 | aPpYe | Iridos: gotcha. so in the case of kernels, is the patchlevel number always present, say if it is the first version of the kernel to arrive in an official repo? |
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| 19:11.03 | aPpYe | like in the case of my kernel version, was there ever a 2.6.39-0-686-pae? |
| 19:11.37 | aPpYe | or would it have omitted a patchlevel and just been called 2.6.39-686-pae |
| 19:12.00 | evilbulgarian | hi, anyone use peerguardian (pgld) for linux |
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| 19:13.39 | twobitsprite | aPpYe: however, starting with kernel 3.0, the numbering scheme is changing |
| 19:13.53 | twobitsprite | aPpYe: so, it'll be, i.e., 3.0-2-686 |
| 19:13.55 | twobitsprite | ,kernels |
| 19:13.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 19:14.14 | twobitsprite | ohh, nevermind... I lied... looks like they're sticking with 3.0.0-1... |
| 19:14.35 | twobitsprite | well, the official kernel version will be 3.0, but I guess debian decided to tack on the extra .0? |
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| 19:16.02 | Iridos | aPpYe, yes... should be. Mind that there's meta-packages that don't contain a kernel but only point to the package that does (which is used for automated upgrades to new kernels) |
| 19:17.08 | aPpYe | okay, so the patchlevel version will always be present, even if it is the first version. Does it start at 0 or 1? |
| 19:18.28 | daemonkeeper | -1 |
| 19:19.24 | aPpYe | excellent! |
| 19:19.33 | aPpYe | thanks for the help |
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| 19:28.05 | aPpYe | I have another question about linux headers. Why are there architecture-only metapackages for kernel images (for example "linux-image-amd64"), and only 2.6-specific metapackages for linux-headers? I have to specify "linux-headers-2.6-amd64" instead of just "linux-headers-amd64" ... |
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| 19:29.08 | valdyn | judd: versions linux-headers-amd64 |
| 19:29.08 | judd | Package linux-headers-amd64 on i386 -- sid: 3.0.0+39 |
| 19:29.19 | valdyn | aPpYe: fixed in sid |
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| 19:29.47 | oracle | how do i install infobash? |
| 19:29.58 | aPpYe | lol I am looking at the sid repo and it shows that 2.6 metapackage will also handle 3.0 kernels |
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| 19:30.55 | aPpYe | for example there is a linux-headers-2.6-amd64 (3.0.0+39) listing |
| 19:32.21 | aPpYe | hmm. typically how long does it take a new kernel to filter to testing from sid? |
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| 19:33.16 | mrtnt1 | Is it possible to make a ISO9660 filesystem of a file instead of directory? I mean in case of directory, the command is "mkisofs -o image.iso /home/user/directory". Is it possible to use a file directly instead of a directory? |
| 19:36.51 | twobitsprite | mrtnt1: you just want the one file on the iso filesystem? put the one file in a directory and run the usual command |
| 19:36.53 | bdheeman | mrtnt1: what's that file? is it a disk/filesystem image |
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| 19:38.11 | mrtnt1 | twobitsprite, bdheeman: I created a file using "dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/martin/cd_image bs=1M count=650" and now I would like to write this "cd_image" to CD-R. |
| 19:38.34 | jra | o.O |
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| 19:39.02 | mrtnt1 | the point is to test my optical device :) |
| 19:39.05 | twobitsprite | mrtnt1: wodim didn't like writing a blank file? Also, huh? |
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| 19:39.18 | mrtnt1 | I mean it's just for testing purposes |
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| 19:39.59 | twobitsprite | mrtnt1: you can either a) put that zeroed file in a directory, and iso that dir, or you can try to wodim the zeroed file and see if it lets you |
| 19:40.00 | aPpYe | hrm ... my command, " uname -r | awk -F- '{print $1,2}' " is returning "2.6.39 2" ... how can I make it return "2.6.39-2" ...? |
| 19:40.00 | alazare619 | im needing some advice i have an old laptop that has an ide hard drive with no cache (60gig) with 512 megs of ram and a centrino 1.4ghz processor i need a filesystem that is light on the cpu so im thinking non journaled but journaling is ok if it is minimal cpu usage now ive been looking at jfs xfs and ext2 any ideas on wich would be the easiest to use and most suitable |
| 19:40.13 | twobitsprite | mrtnt1: wodim shouldn't care if it's an iso image or not |
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| 19:40.29 | bdheeman | mrtnt1: ok, mount that file using losetop |
| 19:40.39 | aPpYe | I guess I can do it with a couple variables... |
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| 19:41.07 | Ahoalton | helloi |
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| 19:41.18 | Ahoalton | anyone know how to configure my USB drive to boot debian |
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| 19:41.29 | Ahoalton | from with in windows |
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| 19:41.53 | Tigerboy | Last night i ran updates on the deb sid machines -- the Nvidia machines came up saying debian wants to replace the official nvidia driver with one made to work better by debian team... after the update none of them boot into gui anymore. |
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| 19:44.52 | bahamas | hello. i've installed debian netinst on my netbook, and now i want to get the rest. how can i do that considering that i need have an internet connection active on the netbook, when i installed debian, so the network is likely not configured? i only have CLI right now |
| 19:45.13 | Shapeshifter | How can I convert a package to the older format? Trying to dpkg-source -x a modern package gives me "dpkg-source: error: Unsupported format of .dsc file (3.0 (quilt))" |
| 19:45.36 | Shapeshifter | my dpkg is 1.14.25 |
| 19:45.39 | SuperNull | Anyone having issues with small image (180meg) latest not working with raid on boot after install ? .. |
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| 19:46.12 | bahamas | SuperNull: what do you mean by 'not working'? |
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| 19:47.14 | SuperNull | fails on boot to assemble the raid yet a mdadm --assemble --scan works at initramfs console |
| 19:47.21 | themill | Shapeshifter: you should try updating to a supported release of debian... |
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| 19:48.08 | Tigerboy | supernull: I'm not sure if it's related but after we ran updates a few of the raids were having problems so I just powered the raids down and waited a minute and powered back up and restarted the systems and all worked fine. |
| 19:48.30 | Shapeshifter | themill: to be honest, I have this maemo 5 device here, it uses apt/dpkg but upgrading to a more modern dpkg is impossible for me. I would just like to port a package. |
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| 19:49.01 | Shapeshifter | themill: if I can extract the source package on a modern debian installation, will I be able to use the extracted bits with dpkg -b even if dpkg is older? |
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| 19:49.38 | clustermagnet | Iridos: … what would you do in my situation… :) |
| 19:49.55 | clustermagnet | we haz a usb-installing clonezilla hacked up thingie… |
| 19:50.05 | clustermagnet | under the hood, its 2.6.32-4 kernel |
| 19:50.14 | themill | Shapeshifter: please ask the people who gave you your dpkg for help.... http://old.nabble.com/How-%28not%29-to-convert-from-3.0-%28quilt%29-to-1.0-td28211755.html may provide some assistance |
| 19:50.24 | clustermagnet | which does not support the lenovo x220 laptopz… v2.6.38 is the kernel which has support |
| 19:50.26 | Shapeshifter | themill: thanks |
| 19:50.30 | themill | Shapeshifter: there's a #maemo here |
| 19:50.51 | clustermagnet | so… module e1000e.ko is responsible for getting the nic to run |
| 19:51.16 | Shapeshifter | themill: yeah I know. |
| 19:51.25 | clustermagnet | i've unpackaged clonezilla's squashfs… and have played with the kernel/modules in there |
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| 19:51.42 | patterson | I am guessing she has a wide and eclectic set of tech interests |
| 19:51.50 | patterson | ugh |
| 19:52.03 | clustermagnet | in any case, how would i go about inserting e1000e.ko from v2.6.38 into the older, 2.6.32-4 kernel |
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| 19:52.40 | clustermagnet | i would not mind upgrading the kernel either.. but i am weak in that respect, i've not rebuilt a kernel in years |
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| 19:52.46 | bahamas | anyone have any tips for me? |
| 19:53.06 | clustermagnet | and how would one rebuild kernel which comes inside squashfs? |
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| 19:53.59 | djura-san | o/ |
| 19:54.24 | SuperNull | clustermagnet sounds like a headache. |
| 19:54.44 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: absolutely not! i really really really eed to learn this :) |
| 19:54.48 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: great refresher |
| 19:54.59 | clustermagnet | i've been stuck in the puppet/mcollective/ec2 world for too long :) |
| 19:55.05 | clustermagnet | need to go bak to the basics of LFS :) |
| 19:55.26 | clustermagnet | anyways, i think ill be hacking at it this way… rebuild the initrd, have 2 kernels |
| 19:55.36 | clustermagnet | i wish i was a os developer... |
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| 19:55.51 | clustermagnet | how do those guys compile kernels in squashfs? |
| 19:56.04 | clustermagnet | its easy to unsquash a distro, change something, done…. but |
| 19:56.11 | SuperNull | back in a far far place.. i at one time built from scratch a debian based tiny os for wifi aps. it didnt use squash but i did look into it.. some what |
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| 19:56.43 | SuperNull | cant just mount it on another box (or VM) and mod it then move ? |
| 19:56.47 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: will go rtfm squash like crazy |
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| 19:56.57 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: thats what im thinking |
| 19:57.06 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: xen |
| 19:57.15 | clustermagnet | then… uhm |
| 19:57.18 | clustermagnet | fuk |
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| 19:58.25 | _Sam-- | aside from doing it within the application itself, is there any way to modify tcp timeouts on a port by port basis? |
| 19:58.56 | clustermagnet | _Sam--: unless you're proxying traffic, probably not dood |
| 19:59.02 | SuperNull | clustermagnet: LFS = Linux from scratch ? |
| 19:59.07 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: yeh |
| 19:59.11 | SuperNull | yeahh |
| 19:59.14 | SuperNull | thats where i started.. |
| 19:59.28 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: lfs = winning :) |
| 19:59.31 | SuperNull | and before that was gentoo which i think is actually sometimes worse LOL |
| 19:59.56 | clustermagnet | mmm, maybe squash people are on freenode :) |
| 20:00.04 | Tigerboy | 1124 people |
| 20:00.48 | SuperNull | cluster is this for x86 ? |
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| 20:01.12 | philipballew | if i select the laptop option during install what does that install? |
| 20:01.15 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: yes |
| 20:01.21 | clustermagnet | SuperNull: actually, no :) |
| 20:01.28 | clustermagnet | 386 would work just friggin fine :) |
| 20:01.47 | clustermagnet | its just a clonezilla usb booter, which tells the machine to install from a samba share, etc |
| 20:02.11 | SuperNull | ahh |
| 20:02.16 | SuperNull | LAN Admin kinda stuff eh? |
| 20:02.18 | SuperNull | ;-) |
| 20:02.36 | clustermagnet | the guy who built this usb thingie is no longer here…. lan peoplez came and asked for help :) |
| 20:02.59 | clustermagnet | sucks therez no puppet for winblowz |
| 20:04.09 | ompaul | philipballew: not 100% but some of this and maybe more laptop-detect laptop-mode-tools bluez and stuff iirc |
| 20:04.36 | philipballew | i want a cli system. but i want wireless internet as well |
| 20:05.01 | ompaul | then install on the wire and add in some wireless stuff if you know what you want / need |
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| 20:05.11 | SuperNull | back in my lan admin days we had this really neat thin client that was linux based.. i forget the name but.. pxe booted it and it supported all remote protocols (VNC/RDP/...) that was a nice way to deploy things .. linux in a windows environment heh. |
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| 20:07.09 | toehio | I just installed debian on a machine. I get to grub, and everything's fine. Then everything starts loading, and suddenly the screen goes blank. What could be causing this? |
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| 20:08.24 | SuperNull | your monitor hates you. |
| 20:08.47 | toehio | SuperNull: oh, that's a real problem then |
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| 20:09.12 | SuperNull | toehio i agree, never turn your back to it while its on. |
| 20:09.52 | SuperNull | toehio dont feel bad, mdadm hates me i have installed debian latest multiple times using different strategies for raid and it just doesn't like it. |
| 20:09.57 | toehio | SuperNull: right before the screen goes black, I see something about nouveau, which I think is the NVIDIA driver |
| 20:10.08 | mrtnt1 | Am I correct, that if I do "md5sum /dev/scd0", the whole CD-R will be read linearly from inside towards the edge of the disk? |
| 20:10.26 | toehio | mrtnt1: no |
| 20:10.38 | SuperNull | toehio did ya try doing control+break until it broke ? |
| 20:10.40 | SuperNull | er |
| 20:10.44 | SuperNull | control+backspace |
| 20:10.53 | toehio | mrtnt1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM |
| 20:10.58 | toehio | SuperNull: while booting? |
| 20:11.46 | SuperNull | what stage of loading is the os at before it fails ? just before window manager loads ? |
| 20:11.48 | project2501b | is security.debian.org down? |
| 20:12.03 | toehio | SuperNull: it appears so |
| 20:12.32 | SuperNull | probably failing on driver then.. control backspace the crap out of it till it gets you a commandline with some errors .. then start lookin for logs |
| 20:12.52 | SuperNull | nvidia is probably your better option from past experience tho .. maybe things have changed |
| 20:13.02 | toehio | SuperNull: do you mean the sequence to kill X? |
| 20:13.06 | mrtnt1 | toehio: "However this will almost NEVER be the same hash as the iso image that was burned to the disk, because this command includes the empty space at the end of the disk, which changes the hash." <- thanks! |
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| 20:13.14 | streuner__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.30 | streuner__ | Jimi Hendrix - It's Too Bad |
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| 20:14.11 | toehio | SuperNull: is it the same as alt+ctrl+backspace, the keys to kill X? |
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| 20:14.22 | SuperNull | yeah .. thats the one. |
| 20:14.25 | SuperNull | ;-) |
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| 20:14.54 | SuperNull | im primarly server side linux now.. so we dont run the graphical stuff as much. which is to say i dont get stuck troubleshooting it |
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| 20:17.06 | montezaus | hi, i've just switched to debian from windows xp but having hard time to find drivers. for the mainboard a7v600 for instance. I couldn't find a linux driver on web. is there any good resource for downloading linux drivers? |
| 20:17.18 | clustermagnet | check nvidia drivers |
| 20:17.41 | SuperNull | look up the chipset info montezaus your best bet is going direct to vendors as they more often have linux drivers than VARs. |
| 20:18.41 | jhutchins_lt | toehio: I usually get the correct md5 if a CD burns correctly. |
| 20:18.58 | montezaus | it's a really old model i doub that vendors would have its linux drivers |
| 20:19.16 | montezaus | looking to nvidia download page now |
| 20:19.48 | SuperNull | as far as linux hardware goes.. the older the better for support usually. |
| 20:19.58 | project2501b | hey guys, i was doing a remote install. now my shell is all turned white |
| 20:20.04 | project2501b | how do reset that? |
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| 20:20.20 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Drivers eventually get merged with the kernel project, and old hardware is usually supported for a pretty long time. |
| 20:20.24 | SuperNull | reset; clear; |
| 20:20.54 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Do you know what actual chipset it is? lspci -nn |
| 20:20.56 | streuner__ | montezaus: How about to use HCL (/msg dpkg hcl)? |
| 20:21.31 | montezaus | this is the model http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/mb/socketa/a7v600/overview.htm |
| 20:21.40 | streuner__ | project2501b: sounds like a very good sign :-P |
| 20:21.44 | montezaus | VIA KT600 chipset |
| 20:21.55 | toehio | SuperNull: is it possible to boot to the first runlevel with an interpreter via grub? |
| 20:22.12 | project2501b | streuner__: yeah, the installation got done and the machine is rebooting, in order for the new os to come back. |
| 20:22.44 | SuperNull | booting to different run levels i am unsure of but you can sure override the default scripts to do what ever you want but.. i found it easier to stick with the debian syntax for later modification purposes. |
| 20:23.19 | streuner__ | project2501b: sounds like a broke netinstall to me |
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| 20:23.36 | SuperNull | toehio one of the first things LFS does is boot direct to nano or vi or something doesnt it ? |
| 20:23.50 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: a7's should be pretty well supported. |
| 20:24.01 | toehio | SuperNull: I can't even get to any interface, because the screen always goes blank! |
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| 20:24.12 | SuperNull | project2501a are you using the Latest netinstall ? i had issues with raid being properly setup in initramfs .. |
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| 20:24.30 | montezaus | jhutchins: thanks, i just dont know where to look to now |
| 20:24.36 | project2501b | streuner__: i assure you it went great. just one thing, i have to close the window and open a new one now |
| 20:24.46 | project2501b | i just need to reset the back color |
| 20:24.47 | montezaus | jhutchins: just installed my first linux os |
| 20:24.50 | SuperNull | toehio does the screen flicker when you do the control+alt+backspace (errr go orange on the led on a lcd i imagine) |
| 20:24.53 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: What did you need to find drivers for? |
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| 20:25.17 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: What's not working? |
| 20:25.31 | toehio | SuperNull: is there a difference between alt+ctrl+bcksp and only ctrl+bcksp? |
| 20:25.37 | vastok | hello all. a fsck check returned 1.3 pct non-contiguous on my root partition, ext3. should i be worried? |
| 20:25.40 | jhutchins_lt | toehio: Yes. |
| 20:25.45 | toehio | SuperNull: the monitor goes to sleep |
| 20:25.53 | jhutchins_lt | vastok: no. |
| 20:25.53 | montezaus | system seems to be working slow and i've thought it might be because of the lack of drivers |
| 20:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Probably not. |
| 20:26.39 | SuperNull | toehio im fairly sure if you literally keep hitting either of them like 5-10 times quickly.. it causes the thing to crash to a command line.. ;-) |
| 20:26.41 | montezaus | jhutchins: Hmm I've only installed debian and no drivers untill now |
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| 20:26.50 | streuner__ | project2501b: i dunno what you want install at all, but i would ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) |
| 20:26.54 | montezaus | jhutchins: Does debian include that much drivers? |
| 20:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Third party drivers are almost never used in Linux with the exception of a few advanced video cards, some WiFi chisets, and some exotic hardware like raid controllers. |
| 20:26.58 | SuperNull | thats how i used to get my nvidia cards working back in the day lol GHETTO |
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| 20:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Oh, and some printers. |
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| 20:27.34 | streuner__ | project2501b: it sounds complicated, as always, to me, you are able to use ML as well |
| 20:27.44 | sybariten | Hi, i would like some advice on a project i'd like to try, as an experiment |
| 20:27.56 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: So the next thing to figure out is which parts are slow. You can use top (or htop) to see what's using the most CPU. |
| 20:28.05 | montezaus | jhutchins: Hmm i see, so I probably don't need to install any drivers after I installed debian? |
| 20:28.12 | SuperNull | montezaus i would almost be surprised if features of that motherboard didnt fully detect on newest debian releases |
| 20:28.17 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: probably not. |
| 20:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: What kind of video card do you have? |
| 20:28.28 | sybariten | I have a low end computer, with one IDE HD slot. I have a drive in there and would like to use it just for file storage. The OS, on the other hand, i'd like to run from USB memory... either as a live distro, or of possible, some other type. |
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| 20:29.01 | montezaus | it's an old radeon video card |
| 20:29.07 | SuperNull | sybariten any reason why ? USB storage is usally dogged slow for real work environments |
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| 20:29.16 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 20:29.17 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 20:29.34 | sybariten | 1.) is there a flavour of debian that can be customized or stripped down for this? 2.) can i get any kind of persistence, so that a daemon i install is present also after reboot |
| 20:29.48 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: How much RAM? |
| 20:29.52 | montezaus | 256 |
| 20:29.56 | sybariten | SuperNull: well... hmmm... thats true.. RAM cant be used somehow? |
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| 20:30.10 | sybariten | maybe a toram switch at boot... but then i definitely wont have persistence |
| 20:30.19 | montezaus | video card has 256 ram, pc has 512 |
| 20:30.20 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Ah, that's probably part of it. If you use advanced desktop features you'll end up hitting swap a lot. |
| 20:30.22 | SuperNull | sybariten .. there is a usb linux builder with many options including storage persistance.. |
| 20:30.30 | hipodilski | hello I'm manually configuring static IP address via /etc/network/interfaces, after restarting interface eth0 didn't come up even though my interfaces files seems properly configured can you help |
| 20:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Of course, that would barely run at all with XP. |
| 20:30.40 | dondelelcaro | sybariten: you can just use debian itself for that if you want |
| 20:30.41 | montezaus | =) |
| 20:30.43 | montezaus | sure |
| 20:30.47 | sybariten | SuperNull: ok, do you know what its called? |
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| 20:30.54 | SuperNull | err i can url ya hold. |
| 20:31.09 | dondelelcaro | sybariten: there's no reason why a USB flash device wouldn't work as a root filesystem, assuming the computer itself is capable of booting from a USB filesystem |
| 20:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Sorry, lag, 512 is nearly adequate, a full gig would be more comfortable. How much swap did you set up? |
| 20:31.32 | dondelelcaro | sybariten: the main thing is just not to have anything (like swap) on the usb filesystem which needs to be written to often |
| 20:31.40 | SuperNull | sybariten: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
| 20:31.41 | montezaus | what do you mean how much swap? |
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| 20:31.45 | sybariten | dondelelcaro: is that so? I've never really heard of this being done, and figured there was some kind of hinder with the USB structure |
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| 20:32.07 | dondelelcaro | sybariten: nah, it gets done all of the time for embedded devices and other things |
| 20:32.12 | toehio | SuperNull: OK, I managed to boot into it with a liveCD, how do I prevent it from loading X now? |
| 20:32.17 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Did you create a swap partition during install? |
| 20:32.21 | sybariten | dondelelcaro: you mean in order to to not kill the drive? Well, i'm willing to even take that risk for this thing... |
| 20:32.27 | hipodilski | this is my interfaces file http://pastebin.com/ahYQVgaP |
| 20:32.38 | jhutchins_lt | sybariten: You could put /var on the HD. |
| 20:32.43 | montezaus | debian has created an extra partition of 1gb |
| 20:32.44 | hipodilski | is there a way to invoke the ncurses interface for network configuration after I've completed the debian install? |
| 20:32.48 | sybariten | jhutchins_lt: true |
| 20:32.49 | montezaus | is that it* |
| 20:32.50 | montezaus | ? |
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| 20:33.00 | streuner__ | hipodilski: no |
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| 20:33.10 | streuner__ | hipodilski: use nano |
| 20:33.14 | sybariten | dondelelcaro: ok, so do you have any suggestions on what direction i go in, in order to do this? |
| 20:33.22 | hipodilski | streuner__: I used it but it does not bring up eth0 ? |
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| 20:33.28 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: Probably. fdisk -l will tell you what kind of partition it is. |
| 20:33.30 | hipodilski | I mean my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:33.44 | streuner__ | hipodilski: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 20:34.50 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: That's a good size for your system, 2x RAM. |
| 20:35.48 | SuperNull | toehio are you using gdm ? |
| 20:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | montezaus: I don't know much about gnome, but if you turn off decorative features - shadows, animation, etc. it will run faster. Someone who knows gnome better could help you tune it. |
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| 20:36.46 | montezaus | i see, thanks for your help. appreciated |
| 20:36.54 | SuperNull | toehio my self.. i would probably do a chmod -x /etc/init.d/<window manager script> |
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| 20:42.22 | toehio | SuperNull: OK, I also removed the gdm script from all the rc#.d dirs |
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| 20:42.46 | hipodilski | streuner__: ifpup eth0 down works |
| 20:42.51 | toehio | SuperNull: that didn't do anything |
| 20:42.58 | hipodilski | streuner__: however /etc/init.d/networking restart does not bring it up? |
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| 20:43.25 | streuner__ | hipodilski: ifup eth0 |
| 20:43.42 | hipodilski | streuner__: yes sorry mistyped it |
| 20:43.45 | toehio | SuperNull: I'm just gonna reinstall it without a GUI from the netinstall cd |
| 20:43.49 | hipodilski | what might be the cause? |
| 20:43.50 | streuner__ | hipodilski: you need just the right entries in interfaces :-P |
| 20:43.59 | hipodilski | streuner__: I have right entries |
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| 20:44.02 | hipodilski | I can show you |
| 20:44.04 | streuner__ | (right entires) |
| 20:45.07 | dbb | hi - I have a basic question.. a customer has a dell tower that has a built in RAID, they called just now and said that there was a power interruption, and the RAID is not mounted.. I just looekd and there is no fstab entry.. how do I find this RAID? |
| 20:45.21 | dbb | (I am offsite) |
| 20:46.31 | dbb | I dont see a mount command in root's history |
| 20:46.39 | hipodilski | streuner__: http://pastebin.com/mnxuziLR |
| 20:46.46 | hipodilski | see this is my records |
| 20:46.50 | hipodilski | entries* |
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| 20:49.50 | abrotman | you have a whole class C ? |
| 20:49.57 | philipballew | i need to install multiedia codecs in squeeze |
| 20:49.59 | ksx4system | how do I force backports kernel to be installed on squeeze? |
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| 20:50.51 | abrotman | force? or how in general ? |
| 20:51.02 | streuner__ | ksx4system: backports are for stable |
| 20:51.10 | dbb | .. I suspect the RAID is /dev/sr0 but I am guessing |
| 20:51.28 | abrotman | streuner__: squeeze is stable ... |
| 20:51.32 | streuner__ | sure |
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| 20:51.36 | abrotman | takes the booze from streuner__ |
| 20:51.46 | streuner__ | ksx4system: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:52.38 | ksx4system | streuner__: squeeze is stable since... few months? read this http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | ksx4system: see backports.debian.org .. there are instructions there |
| 20:53.06 | streuner__ | ksx4system: sorry, misread it to wheezy... |
| 20:53.46 | philipballew | im running ppc system and need to play mp3. what packages do i install |
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| 20:54.08 | streuner__ | mpg321? |
| 20:54.19 | streuner__ | judd, versions mpg321 |
| 20:54.20 | judd | Package mpg321 on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.10.6; squeeze: 0.2.12-1; wheezy: 0.2.13-2; sid: 0.2.13-3 |
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| 20:55.05 | dbb | ... looking in dmesg |
| 20:56.18 | abrotman | philipballew: lots of packages play mp3 .. what have you tried that doesn't ? |
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| 20:57.08 | philipballew | http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs i followed this abrotman but i cant locate the w32 package |
| 20:57.18 | streuner__ | its in dmm |
| 20:57.19 | abrotman | philipballew: you do'nt need that just to play them |
| 20:57.22 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | not an mp3 player |
| 20:57.40 | philipballew | i want to play music files |
| 20:57.44 | streuner__ | nah, w32codecs is a video player codec |
| 20:57.48 | abrotman | yeah, you don't need special programs for that |
| 20:57.49 | streuner__ | not mp3 |
| 20:57.55 | streuner__ | true |
| 20:58.01 | philipballew | would gstreamer be better? |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | anyone else think streuner__ is on crack?! :) |
| 20:58.30 | streuner__ | abrotman: you dont need to ask what are you on... |
| 20:58.46 | abrotman | no, i don't ask me about me .. generally ... |
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| 20:59.49 | abrotman | philipballew: you can use gstreamer to play mp3s, sure .. what is your WM/DE ? |
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| 21:00.14 | odn_ | hello |
| 21:00.32 | philipballew | WM/DE? abrotman |
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| 21:01.19 | abrotman | philipballew: kde? gnome? something else? |
| 21:01.32 | odn_ | http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=587191 an idea someone ? 4th system cloning restauration today... |
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| 21:01.47 | mrtnt1 | I would like to test my optical device if it's able to read CD disks correctly. Is it a good idea to execute "dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/martin/cd_image bs=1M count=900 && wodim dev='/dev/scd0' -raw -v -eject -ignsize /home/martin/cd_image" which fills the CD-R as much as possible. Then "md5sum /dev/scd0" in one computer and finally pop this same CD into the one I think is with a faulty drive and do "md5sum /dev/scd0" there? |
| 21:01.53 | abrotman | odn_: I think you want to ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:02.36 | dbb | in dmesg.. md: bind<sdb1> |
| 21:02.52 | mrtnt1 | I think "md5sum /dev/scd0" forces to read in the whole CD.. |
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| 21:02.55 | hipodilski | got it |
| 21:02.58 | hipodilski | auto eth0 was missing |
| 21:02.59 | hipodilski | :) |
| 21:03.05 | streuner__ | auto? |
| 21:03.11 | streuner__ | strange then |
| 21:03.27 | abrotman | hipodilski: you probably really want "allow-hotplug eth0" instead of auto eth0 |
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| 21:04.21 | iluminator101 | hi vpn add button is disable or grayed out why? |
| 21:04.23 | karlpinc_ | mrtnt1: I always have to double check when I use md5sum that way. There's run-out blocks or some such on the drive that arn't in the ISO, or something like that. I forget. |
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| 21:04.34 | abrotman | iluminator101: in what? |
| 21:04.35 | dbb | so, /dev/ has md md_d127 md_Data1 md_Data2 md_Data3 md_Data4 |
| 21:04.46 | frostschutz | mrtnt1: or you could just do the md5sum with any valid cd? :-/ |
| 21:04.56 | dbb | I *wonder* what to target with a mount command... |
| 21:05.00 | iluminator101 | abrotman, in network manager |
| 21:05.01 | hipodilski | btw what is the difference between allow-hotplug eth0 and auto eth0? |
| 21:05.10 | abrotman | iluminator101: apt-cache search network manager vpn ? |
| 21:05.15 | abrotman | hipodilski: man interfaces |
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| 21:05.39 | mrtnt1 | frostschutz: but isn't it a possibility, that valid CD is not fully written? |
| 21:05.50 | odn_ | abrotman, yeah and no... i'm building a debian too, debootstrap allows to build two both ;) |
| 21:05.58 | abrotman | odn_: go to #ubuntu |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | your problem stated there isn't with Debian .. this channel is for Debian support |
| 21:06.25 | dbb | .. /dev/md is a directory, with five entries |
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| 21:06.32 | frostschutz | mrtnt1: sure, but just because a drive can't read an overburned / broken disk doesn't mean it's a defective drive. the problem in this case is the media |
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| 21:07.43 | iluminator101 | abrotman, i dont have have vpn package i see vpnc and vpnc-gui |
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| 21:08.11 | abrotman | iluminator101: apt-cache search network manager vpn .. install some of them .. there are many in squeeze |
| 21:08.27 | dbb | then /dev/md_d127 is owned by root:disk |
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| 21:09.44 | mrtnt1 | frostschutz: ok, I see. So it's best to fill a CD-R with 650MB of data and then do the md5sum in one computer and compare it with the results from another computer? My main question was, does md5sum read the whole CD or not? I guess it has to read the whole CD in order to calculate correct hash.. |
| 21:09.49 | odn_ | abrotman: and if i replace apt-get by aptitude in my source code, i can ask here ? |
| 21:10.04 | odn_ | but no problem, i'll fix it. |
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| 21:10.09 | odn_ | bye ;) |
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| 21:10.25 | abrotman | odn_: Ubuntu is not supported here, you're offtopic, you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 21:12.22 | streuner__ | hm |
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| 21:15.22 | sc30317 | hey all, I am trying to setup a cron job. I have the following: |
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| 21:15.38 | sc30317 | capgemini@Capgemini-HP:~$ crontab -l |
| 21:15.38 | sc30317 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.39 | sc30317 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:15.50 | sc30317 | but for some reason, the cron job is not picking up |
| 21:15.52 | sc30317 | anyone know? |
| 21:15.52 | gray-- | do you work for capgemini and run hp machines? |
| 21:16.00 | sc30317 | haha yea gray-- |
| 21:16.05 | sc30317 | very astute observation |
| 21:16.15 | gray-- | do the scripts exist, do you have 'sh' installed? |
| 21:16.38 | sc30317 | gray-- yes |
| 21:16.38 | clustermagnet | sc30317: for giggles instead of sh , try /bin/sh :) |
| 21:16.39 | gray-- | what happens when you do * * * * * date > /var/tmp/testfile ? |
| 21:16.49 | sc30317 | I am able to run them by themselves |
| 21:17.02 | gray-- | anything in the logs? |
| 21:17.04 | sc30317 | gray--, you want me to add that to my crontab? |
| 21:17.06 | sc30317 | I will |
| 21:17.08 | sc30317 | h/o |
| 21:17.15 | toehio | SuperNull: this is really weird now. Even without installing the desktop packages, it still crashes (blank screen), and now auto reboots |
| 21:17.30 | gray-- | sc30317: give it a whirl |
| 21:17.37 | nickSwe | using wget to a foobar.php?downloadID=29828... how can I actually get the contents that I would get using http, rather than downloading the php document? |
| 21:17.37 | sc30317 | gray--, trying it now |
| 21:18.01 | nickSwe | like with curl, I can use -o flag to get output to a file |
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| 21:18.31 | sc30317 | gray--, the test file works fine |
| 21:18.49 | dbb | mdadm --query ?? |
| 21:19.07 | gray-- | sc30317: that's point to something wrong with your scripts perhaps? clustermagnet suggested using /bin/sh |
| 21:19.15 | sc30317 | gray--, im going to try and see if I am able to run that query every minute |
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| 21:19.26 | sc30317 | I will try that after I see if it was the */5 that was causing the issue |
| 21:19.34 | sc30317 | clustermagnet, I will try that in a minute! :) |
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| 21:19.50 | clustermagnet | sc30317: or its your /5 :) |
| 21:19.52 | clustermagnet | xoxo |
| 21:20.15 | sc30317 | haha thanks for the hugs and kisses?!? |
| 21:20.16 | sc30317 | haha |
| 21:20.19 | dbb | mdadm --query /dev/md_d127 /dev/md_d127: is an md device which is not active |
| 21:20.20 | gray-- | i dunno which crons support it and which don't, i'm sure someone here'll know |
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| 21:22.38 | sc30317 | clustermagnet, that didn't seem to change anything |
| 21:22.43 | sc30317 | /bin/sh |
| 21:22.51 | anoob | hi, i've had some troubles with kernel 3.0... http://superuser.com/questions/316010/what-to-do-when-you-cant-find-how-your-device-was-registered |
| 21:22.58 | sc30317 | or * * * * * /bin/sh /home/capgemini/scripts/runsqlcommand.sh |
| 21:23.13 | an0 | anyone know a good program that will tail a plaintext file and display it in realtime on a web page? |
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| 21:23.31 | sc30317 | an0, why can't you just do that |
| 21:23.42 | an0 | sc30317: do what? |
| 21:23.46 | zendeavor | uhmm |
| 21:23.50 | gray-- | * * * * * /bin/sh /home/capgemini/scripts/runsqlcommand.sh didn't work? |
| 21:24.02 | sc30317 | cat filename > /var/www.filename |
| 21:24.09 | vizzord | hufnus: what ? |
| 21:24.10 | sc30317 | gray--, no |
| 21:24.19 | an0 | because the user would have to refresh constantly |
| 21:24.40 | abrotman | really? |
| 21:24.41 | gray-- | sc30317: anything in /var/log/syslog of interest? |
| 21:24.54 | an0 | i want it to be just like tailing a file in a terminal window |
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| 21:25.09 | dbb | geez abrotman - ban that stuff if you are banning things |
| 21:25.27 | sc30317 | gray-- yea I think so |
| 21:25.32 | sc30317 | h/o ill pastebin my syslog |
| 21:25.36 | Iridos | too late as he's already gorn |
| 21:25.37 | abrotman | dbb: it's been removed already .. pay attention |
| 21:25.49 | abrotman | dbb: and the network should handle it, not me |
| 21:26.14 | gray-- | any unix jobs going at Capgemini? |
| 21:26.20 | Iridos | well... this mass-highlighting he did is probably better than !ops |
| 21:26.28 | philipballew | abrotman, cli system |
| 21:26.33 | sc30317 | gray--, http://pastebin.com/tDupvbDV |
| 21:26.39 | sc30317 | and actually gray--, yes! :) |
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| 21:27.10 | gray-- | hah, msg me a url or something? :) |
| 21:27.14 | abrotman | philipballew: so use mpg321 or mpg123 or find another CLI mp3 player, there are many |
| 21:27.16 | sc30317 | where are you located gray-- ? |
| 21:27.26 | ShapeShifter499 | wait |
| 21:27.27 | sc30317 | gray--, sure |
| 21:27.34 | gray-- | uk, west of london |
| 21:27.34 | philipballew | for sure. and i installed gstreamer |
| 21:27.38 | ShapeShifter499 | what was that jews thing I got highlighted for |
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| 21:28.06 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm not raciest or anything but I'm not Jewish |
| 21:28.15 | gray-- | sc30317: anything further down in the log, that looks like a lot earlier when it looked to be running ok |
| 21:28.15 | sc30317 | gray--, they have jobs all over the world; i'm in GA |
| 21:28.31 | sc30317 | gray--, what do you mean? |
| 21:28.43 | dbb | is wondering if I am going down the right path with this mdadm thing... |
| 21:28.49 | gray-- | oh, you're not UTC, sorry :) |
| 21:28.51 | ShapeShifter499 | *racist |
| 21:29.10 | ShapeShifter499 | sorry just correcting spelling in earlier post |
| 21:29.12 | dbb | I have no idea who set this box up, and how the RAID was suppsoed to be mounted previously |
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| 21:29.58 | clustermagnet | sc30317: what user is cron running as? |
| 21:30.06 | clustermagnet | vs… ownership of your scripts |
| 21:30.13 | upsy | ShapeShifter499: a spam bot |
| 21:30.32 | gray-- | sc30317: on that page, look for the pid 8991, looks like one of the scripts exits with status 127, so it's running for sure, just finding an error |
| 21:30.52 | gray-- | script 2 exits with exit code 2 |
| 21:30.54 | sc30317 | clustermagnet, it should be running as my user (capgemini) |
| 21:31.10 | clustermagnet | sc30317: should? check |
| 21:31.19 | sc30317 | it is |
| 21:31.28 | sc30317 | afaik |
| 21:31.31 | clustermagnet | k, then who owns the scripts that you want to run |
| 21:31.52 | sc30317 | I do |
| 21:31.53 | sc30317 | capgemini@Capgemini-HP:~/scripts$ ls -altr |
| 21:31.53 | sc30317 | total 20 |
| 21:31.53 | sc30317 | -rw-r--r-- 1 capgemini capgemini 115 2011-07-28 15:42 crontab_file |
| 21:31.53 | sc30317 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 capgemini capgemini 862 2011-07-28 16:19 runsqlcommand.sh |
| 21:31.53 | sc30317 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 capgemini capgemini 972 2011-07-28 16:29 runsqlcommand2.sh |
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| 21:31.59 | gray-- | clustermagnet: from the log it runs as the capgemini user, i think |
| 21:32.12 | gray-- | CRON[8996]: (capgemini) CMD (/bin/sh /home/capgemini/scripts/runsqlcommand2.sh) |
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| 21:32.28 | sc30317 | http://paste.debian.net/124420/ |
| 21:32.43 | gray-- | hrm, i do remember something about cron's shell environment being different to something else.... hrm |
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| 21:32.53 | sc30317 | see gray-- and clustermagnet |
| 21:33.18 | sc30317 | gray--, what do you mean? which kind of shell would it run? btw, it shouldn't mater because i'm invoking it with /bin/sh? |
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| 21:33.23 | gray-- | sc30317: try using cron to output all the shell environment variables and then compare that to the environment variables you're running under |
| 21:33.38 | gray-- | type 'env' in sh |
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| 21:33.53 | sc30317 | ahh |
| 21:33.55 | iluminator101 | abrotman, the certificate what extension do i say it as |
| 21:33.59 | sc30317 | and then run an env in cron |
| 21:34.03 | sc30317 | good idea gray-- |
| 21:34.04 | dbb | hmm cat /proc/mdstat |
| 21:34.05 | gray-- | and then see if you can invoke 'env' from cron... yeah that |
| 21:34.27 | abrotman | iluminator101: the monkey eats chocolate at midnight |
| 21:34.28 | dbb | md_d127 : inactive sdb1[0](S) |
| 21:34.35 | gray-- | also, put a few breaks into the scripts, make them print stuff at certain parts, see if you can find the bit in the script that bums out |
| 21:34.36 | dbb | thats consistant |
| 21:34.47 | dbb | .. with the line in dmesg |
| 21:34.51 | mycae | Hello, a package I maintain has added translation support (gettext) in its latest version -- I couldn't find any info in the new maintainer's guide on how best to install the .mo files -- anyone know a good reference? |
| 21:34.55 | iluminator101 | abrotman, lol i am not playing here |
| 21:35.08 | abrotman | doesn't mean i understand what you say |
| 21:35.14 | mycae | I can just manually cp/install them, but I thought there might be a debhelper or something. |
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| 21:35.40 | iluminator101 | abrotman, this is first time i am setting up a vpn so this is a bit new to me so bear with me |
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| 21:36.40 | sc30317 | grey--, here is the diff between my test file and my enviornment variables: |
| 21:36.41 | sc30317 | http://paste.debian.net/124422/ |
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| 21:37.20 | sc30317 | doesn't seem like there is much of a difference |
| 21:37.51 | gray-- | SHELL=/bin/bash |
| 21:37.53 | gray-- | :) |
| 21:37.59 | gray-- | bit of a difference there! |
| 21:38.20 | iluminator101 | abrotman, i import the config file and try to save it, its not saving why |
| 21:38.37 | abrotman | iluminator101: i've never used the network-manager-vpn stuff |
| 21:38.59 | iluminator101 | abrotman, its ssl but its showing up as tls |
| 21:39.15 | sc30317 | gray--, do I need to change it? |
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| 21:40.19 | gray-- | 2 things to try, run the script using sh on the command line, and then if you think it's an option, use bash in the crontab |
| 21:41.27 | sc30317 | gray--, just tried using bash in the crontab |
| 21:41.31 | sc30317 | ** crosses fingers |
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| 21:42.02 | gray-- | is there any reason why you need to use sh in particular? |
| 21:42.38 | sc30317 | gray--, no |
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| 21:42.49 | sc30317 | at least not that I am aware of |
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| 21:43.57 | gray-- | trying from the command line: /bin/sh -x /home/capgemini/scripts/runsqlcommand.sh |
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| 21:44.10 | yogi | will 'dd if=debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdg bs=1M' get me a bootable USB stick? |
| 21:44.27 | yogi | (assuming of course that /dev/sdg is pointing to the device) |
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| 21:45.18 | Juv1228 | hello, im having abit of trouble getting mhddfs to work in fstab |
| 21:45.29 | sc30317 | gray--, it works when I do |
| 21:45.30 | sc30317 | /bin/bash /home/capgemini/scripts/runsqlcommand.sh |
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| 21:45.38 | sc30317 | but not when I add the -x |
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| 21:45.46 | Juv1228 | it doesnt mount on boot, but if i manually mount -a as root it will mount it |
| 21:45.47 | sc30317 | * when I do /bin/sh -x |
| 21:45.59 | gray-- | -x will give you the stuff that the script is doing in real time |
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| 21:46.32 | gray-- | at least in sh it will, not sure about bash |
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| 21:46.47 | gray-- | anyway, give /bin/bash a go from cron |
| 21:46.52 | Iridos | same |
| 21:47.14 | sc30317 | gray--, just tried this: |
| 21:47.27 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 21:47.34 | sc30317 | gray--, * * * * * /bin/bash /home/capgemini/scripts/runsqlcommand.sh |
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| 21:47.37 | sc30317 | now in cron |
| 21:47.41 | sc30317 | but not doing anything |
| 21:48.00 | sc30317 | scratch that gray-- |
| 21:48.04 | gray-- | anything in the log? |
| 21:48.06 | sc30317 | its working, just not producing any output |
| 21:48.21 | Iridos | err |
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| 21:48.24 | Kraftzwerk | Juv1228: shot in the dark on my part, but i guess that mount at boot time is not executed as root... maybe you need to add the respective user to the fuse group or use some form of the allow_other-parameter for the mount |
| 21:48.30 | Iridos | sc30317, what was the original question? |
| 21:48.34 | sc30317 | gray--, I think it may be something wrong with the mail part of cron |
| 21:48.51 | sc30317 | Jul 28 17:48:01 Capgemini-HP CRON[9975]: (capgemini) MAIL (mailed 1 byte of output; but got status 0x004b, #012) |
| 21:49.04 | sc30317 | Iridos, I have a bash script that I am able to run myself, but cron isn't working |
| 21:49.07 | sc30317 | this is on Ubuntu btw |
| 21:49.08 | Kraftzwerk | Juv1228: but that might violate some security policy i'm not aware of |
| 21:49.20 | Juv1228 | Kraftzwerk, the mount line in fstab is as follows |
| 21:49.21 | Iridos | oh... then it's offtopic here anyway |
| 21:49.29 | sc30317 | Iridos, howso |
| 21:49.36 | sc30317 | Ubuntu == debian |
| 21:49.37 | Juv1228 | mhddfs#/mnt/sda,/mnt/sdb /home fuse logfile=/var/log/mhddfs.log,loglevel=0,allow_other 0 0 |
| 21:49.55 | iluminator101 | abrotman, thanks almost got it firewall is blocking it thanks man |
| 21:50.07 | sc30317 | Iridos, I would argue that it is more on topic here then it would be in the ubuntu room |
| 21:50.24 | Iridos | sc30317, but just the general thing: about 90% of all cron problems inexperienced people have come from the fact, that cron has a different PATH than the interactive shell |
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| 21:50.40 | sc30317 | Iridos, that is true in my case too |
| 21:50.47 | Iridos | sc30317, you might /msg dpkg ubuntu about that |
| 21:51.07 | Iridos | sc30317, well, then set/export PATH at the begin of your script |
| 21:51.18 | sc30317 | Iridos, so I just add set PATH? |
| 21:51.23 | sc30317 | set $PATH? |
| 21:51.34 | gray-- | echo $PATH |
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| 21:51.59 | Iridos | export PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin |
| 21:52.01 | Iridos | or somesuch |
| 21:52.27 | Kraftzwerk | Juv1228: sorry, can't help you any further - don't have access to the machine i use mhddfs on right now |
| 21:52.44 | Iridos | or call all programs from within the script with full path... like /usr/bin/ssh somehost somecommand |
| 21:52.46 | gray-- | sc30317: try outputting the $PATH somewhere first then compare to the $PATH in your normal shell |
| 21:52.52 | mrtnt1 | I would like to test my optical device if it's able to read CD disks correctly. Is it a good idea to execute "dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/martin/cd_image bs=1M count=650 && wodim dev='/dev/scd0' -raw -v -eject /home/martin/cd_image" which fills the CD-R with 650MB of data. Then "md5sum /dev/scd0" in one computer and finally pop this same CD into the one I think is with a faulty drive and do "md5sum /dev/scd0" there? |
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| 21:53.34 | mrtnt1 | The main question is, does md5sum read every bit from the CD? |
| 21:54.30 | sc30317 | Iridos, gray-- |
| 21:54.32 | sc30317 | you guys were right |
| 21:54.39 | sc30317 | only path in cron: /usr/bin:/bin |
| 21:54.58 | Juv1228 | i dont know a whole lot about fstab, but its safe to assume that it is parsed(and mounted) in the order they appear? |
| 21:55.14 | Juv1228 | or is there some way to specify order within the file? |
| 21:55.15 | twobitsprite | mrtnt1: pretty sure dd will read the whole disk, block for block, because this is how you would normally "rip" a cd |
| 21:55.32 | aPpYe | the command, "apt-get autoremove --purge" ... does it remove config files for packages that were previously removed without --purge? |
| 21:55.41 | sc30317 | gray--, so like this? |
| 21:55.42 | sc30317 | export PATH:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/lib/oracle/11.2/client//bin:/usr/lib/oracle/11.2/client//bin |
| 21:55.50 | sc30317 | ?? |
| 21:56.13 | gray-- | Iridos is absolutely right, specify the full path for anything called inside the file |
| 21:56.42 | sc30317 | Iridos, is that what I would do to export the path within the script? |
| 21:56.42 | gray-- | anything else would be a fudge |
| 21:56.42 | Iridos | gray--, there's no need for outputting PATH. It's well-known and documented in man cron..(see ENVIRONMENT) |
| 21:57.05 | gray-- | Iridos: my idea was to just compare the two, i actually suggested it might be env issues further up |
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| 21:57.26 | sc30317 | ahh I see |
| 21:57.37 | sc30317 | change it in /etc/crontab, right guys? |
| 21:57.44 | Iridos | sc30317, you don't need all those. and there's several ways to do that... |
| 21:58.21 | mrtnt1 | twobitsprite: so maybe "dd if=/dev/scd0 of=/home/martin/image.iso". Then "md5sum /dev/scd0" and finally compare this to "md5sum /home/martin/image.iso". This should show nicely, if the drive reads the CD's properly? |
| 21:58.28 | Iridos | gray--, yes.. but it's always PATH if someone asks about cron problems... (well, perhaps 9 out of 10) |
| 21:58.35 | gray-- | cool |
| 21:58.49 | sc30317 | gotcha |
| 21:58.54 | sc30317 | well I updated my /etc/crontab |
| 21:58.58 | sc30317 | and restarted the cron daemon |
| 21:59.13 | Iridos | gray--, that's why I interrupted without having seen/followed the question :-P |
| 21:59.45 | sc30317 | Iridos, you have seen problems like this a time or two before, huh? :) |
| 21:59.46 | gray-- | but, try and give fully qualified paths wherever you can |
| 21:59.55 | sc30317 | gray--, ok |
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| 22:00.02 | sc30317 | just changed my /etc/crontab |
| 22:00.06 | sc30317 | we will see |
| 22:00.10 | gray-- | (less issues further down the line) |
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| 22:00.29 | gray-- | if you were to reinstall the system right now, it'd break again |
| 22:01.01 | karl_ | hi all, i have a problem with grub-install failing, i have put screenshots here: http://kashofer.org/gallery3/index.php/Karl/grub-prob |
| 22:01.18 | karl_ | as you see grub-install fails to install grub to /dev/sda |
| 22:01.33 | karl_ | it seems grub-probe is somehow using a wrong directory |
| 22:02.18 | karl_ | i think the problem is here: http://kashofer.org/gallery3/index.php/Karl/grub-prob/4-grub-probe |
| 22:02.36 | karl_ | it does not find /dev/root/mapper/root-boot |
| 22:03.02 | sc30317 | thats a weird permissions problem: |
| 22:03.02 | sc30317 | capgemini@Capgemini-HP:~/scripts$ /bin/bash runsqlcommand.sh |
| 22:03.03 | sc30317 | runsqlcommand.sh: line 1: /home/capgemini/taskalertquery/output.txt: Permission denied |
| 22:03.21 | sc30317 | that is my folder |
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| 22:03.51 | karl_ | well boot is on /dev/mapper/root-boot |
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| 22:04.15 | karl_ | i try to build raid>lvm>dm-crypt root |
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| 22:04.45 | Kraftzwerk | Juv1228: your problem appears to be a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555541 |
| 22:04.58 | Juv1228 | ya, just saw that |
| 22:05.19 | Juv1228 | i guess for now the hacky solution would be to just mount -a @reboot in root's crontab |
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| 22:07.33 | Juv1228 | yep, that seems to work. |
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| 22:09.05 | karl_ | anyone any idea how i can get grub-probe to work ? |
| 22:11.06 | phantomcircuit | hmm |
| 22:11.22 | phantomcircuit | so the ffmpeg that i can install doesn't include x264? |
| 22:11.28 | phantomcircuit | that's extremely annoying |
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| 22:13.05 | Iridos | phantomcircuit, it can be linked in dynamically |
| 22:13.10 | sc30317 | Iridos, still not fixed :( |
| 22:13.13 | sc30317 | any other good ideas? |
| 22:13.23 | sc30317 | the script files still run fine by themselves |
| 22:13.56 | sc30317 | I edited my /etc/crontab |
| 22:14.03 | sc30317 | but it didn't get updated? |
| 22:14.05 | Iridos | !tell phantomcircuit -about dmm |
| 22:14.19 | sc30317 | the output file that I have updating every minute isn't changing from /usr/bin:/bin |
| 22:15.21 | Iridos | phantomcircuit, the one linked into mine in squeeze is from dmm... package libx264-112 |
| 22:15.28 | phantomcircuit | Iridos, thanks |
| 22:15.56 | Iridos | but I'm not sure (or can't remember) what the -112 and all those other endings mean |
| 22:16.16 | Iridos | so you might want to look that up |
| 22:17.09 | Iridos | phantomcircuit, oh... what I said wasn't correct... my ffmpeg is also from dmm |
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| 22:18.53 | Iridos | sc30317, if you go to #ubuntu, they can surely tell you that you shouldn't edit it directly, but use crontab -e |
| 22:18.56 | Iridos | gnight |
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| 22:19.25 | sc30317 | night Iridos |
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| 22:21.47 | nickSwe | I am running a Debian server at home, and just found out about bastille... Do you guys recommend one to install it on a regular home server accessible from the Internet? |
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| 22:22.27 | abrotman | that's up to you |
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| 22:23.47 | nickSwe | hehe yeah thats true of course, but is it recommended to do so? |
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| 22:25.12 | DasEi | nickSwe: there are few apps doing such, first I'd read securing debian, than take a look through the harden packages, and then use such tools like tiger or even bastille |
| 22:25.41 | nickSwe | DasEi, okay thanks! will do so. |
| 22:29.43 | gkwhc | if anyone here's a maintainer/team member of Debian FSO, please update the phoneui packages! |
| 22:30.48 | kgoetz | the correvt place for that request is the pkg-fso list |
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| 22:32.34 | philipballew | when i insert a flash drive and cd /media i dont see it. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 22:34.08 | abrotman | should it be there? |
| 22:34.17 | abrotman | does it show up in dmesg? is your user in plugdev? |
| 22:34.39 | philipballew | i have a cli aystem and dmesg shows its been inserted |
| 22:34.54 | abrotman | uhm .. what automount program do you have installed? |
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| 22:35.19 | philipballew | whatever was installed with the cd |
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| 22:36.02 | philipballew | its formated as ext4 |
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| 22:36.32 | abrotman | uhm .. what automount program do you have installed? |
| 22:36.55 | philipballew | the default |
| 22:37.09 | abrotman | there isn't a default, try again |
| 22:38.12 | philipballew | well abrotman i just installed from the cd and never installed anything automount releated |
| 22:38.51 | abrotman | right, so why would it magically show up in /media/ ? |
| 22:39.18 | ksx4system | anybody managed to get sound working with ALSA on Toshiba NB550 netbook? it's probably Realtek ALC272 chip but i'm not sure |
| 22:39.28 | ksx4system | (it's not my machine, friend's one) |
| 22:39.34 | philipballew | because i had a brain fart abrotman haha. whats the best way to mount it then? |
| 22:40.02 | philipballew | i need to find the mount point |
| 22:40.08 | abrotman | you add it to the fstab, and then mount it |
| 22:40.30 | philipballew | would it just be easier to install a automount program? |
| 22:40.45 | abrotman | depends on whether or not you can use an editor |
| 22:41.23 | philipballew | i like nano and vi. but i plan to be inserting flash drives allot so a auto mount might be better |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | !automount |
| 22:41.37 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 22:41.38 | abrotman | your call |
| 22:41.40 | abrotman | have fun! |
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| 22:41.49 | abrotman | judd: maint ivman --release squeeze |
| 22:41.50 | judd | (maint <packagename> [<version>]) -- Return the names of the person who uploaded the source package, the person who changed the package prior to upload and the maintainer of the specified source package. If version is omitted, the most recent upload is used. Imperfect binary-to-source package mapping will be tried too. |
| 22:41.58 | abrotman | judd: maint ivman |
| 22:41.59 | judd | Package ivman version 0.6.14-3.1 was uploaded by Peter Eisentraut on 2008-04-05, last changed by Peter Eisentraut and maintained by Mike O'Connor. (non-maintainer upload) |
| 22:42.04 | philipballew | thanks abrotman |
| 22:42.12 | abrotman | was wondering if stew was still involved :) |
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| 22:51.04 | catarrhine | hey when I do an strace -Tfv telnet www.google.com ; how can I see when the kernel does its route table looksup and arp'ing for when it send the traffic out to the NIC? |
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| 22:57.28 | gray-- | catarrhine: i'm no expert, but doesn't strace show you only calls to the kernel and the response? the inner kernel happenings... i don't know about that in debian, it'd be a dtrace job in solaris :) |
| 22:58.21 | catarrhine | yeah I was wondering how I can see what the kernel is actually doing |
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| 22:59.12 | catarrhine | yeah, I think you are right gray--, but now how to actually figure things out. |
| 22:59.43 | abrotman | sniff network traffic? |
| 22:59.56 | mjrosenb | catarrhine: run it in qemu, and open a debugger on it? |
| 23:00.06 | mjrosenb | i'm trying to build a 32 bit executable on my amd64 system, and it looks like there is a directory /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu, but the corresponding /usr/include/i486-linux-gnu directory is empty. |
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| 23:03.22 | mycae | catarrhine, have you heard of systemtap -- I've not used it myself, but it may be up your street. |
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| 23:04.35 | catarrhine | mycae: thanks, I haven't heard of it, but I will check it out. |
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| 23:24.36 | ardian_irccloud | Hi, which version of Debian do you suggest for Desktop users, working on software development ? |
| 23:24.43 | ardian_irccloud | Stable or Testing |
| 23:25.13 | abrotman | squeeze to start .. |
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| 23:25.26 | ardian_irccloud | yes ofc squeeze |
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| 23:26.43 | daemonkeeper | Well, if you want "of course" Squeeze, what exactly are you asking for? |
| 23:26.57 | daemonkeeper | There is only one stable? |
| 23:27.15 | ardian_irccloud | daemonkeeper: Isn't there also Debian Testing ? |
| 23:27.23 | daemonkeeper | But that's not Squeeze. |
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| 23:29.56 | ardian_irccloud | umm sorry I was wrong so this release http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ isn't Debian 6 ? |
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| 23:30.17 | daemonkeeper | No, this is Testing (Wheezy) |
| 23:30.17 | jhutchins_lt | ardian_irccloud: "Testing" (currently wheezy) is "not ready for release yet". Stable is intended for normal everyday use and to be reliable and, well, stable. |
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| 23:31.37 | ardian_irccloud | aha, thanks |
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| 23:39.20 | mjrosenb | so if i want to get a 32 bit build environment on amd64, what packages do I need to install? |
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| 23:41.38 | TBotNik | All: Back to my WiFi nightmare! Write up at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11096801#post11096801 Configs in PB at: http://pastebin.com/WWcjkFwX Errors in PB at: http://pastebin.com/XhyN0nZi Still not able to get wlan0 to work from HDD boot so still here via liveCD. I put a drawing of the problem in the write on the forum, so others can see what I'm facing. All help appreciated. Thanks! |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | mjrosenb: see the amd64 howto .. it talks about a 32bit chroot |
| 23:42.26 | sybariten | OK so i have now installed a "normal" debian release onto a USB memory, via net install.... |
| 23:42.30 | sybariten | ...that took some time.... |
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| 23:43.59 | mjrosenb | abrotman: i *should* be able to build 32 bit binaries on a 64 bit system without a 32 bit chroot. |
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| 23:46.08 | abrotman | mjrosenb: i'm telling you the easy way i suppose |
| 23:46.54 | jhutchins_lt | TBotNik: This is a Ubuntu system you need help with? |
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| 23:48.05 | TBotNik | jhutchins_lt: Join me on the ##networking, Kevin - there, seems to know the answer |
| 23:48.49 | jhutchins_lt | TBotNik: Be aware that what works on Debian will probably fail on Ubuntu. The network configuration & management are different. |
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| 23:50.38 | TBotNik | jhutchins_lt: Some and some the same, if Ubuntu Network Manager is out, then pretty much the same, at least to me. |
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