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| 00:02.46 | TBotNik | All: Those of you who have been following my delimna on WiFi bridging can join the discussion on ##networking. Thanks! |
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| 00:05.33 | Kyoku | does anyone know if it's safe to upgrade from lenny to squeeze on Amazon EC2 servers? |
| 00:05.51 | Kyoku | or do i have to do a fresh squeeze build |
| 00:06.50 | daemonkeeper | This is probably something, Amazon's documentation should cover. |
| 00:06.59 | daemonkeeper | I don't see a problem with it. |
| 00:07.21 | daemonkeeper | (But I don't use Amazon either) |
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| 00:19.02 | Gredeu | what repos do wheezy use ? |
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| 00:20.03 | Gredeu | what is one distro above squeeze but not the most cutting edge ? |
| 00:20.57 | Gredeu | and does that distro break ? |
| 00:21.28 | daemonkeeper | Wheezy and yes. |
| 00:21.48 | Gredeu | there is nothing in between stable and unstable ? |
| 00:22.00 | delvalle26 | That is the one |
| 00:22.07 | delvalle26 | wheezy is the current "testing" |
| 00:22.17 | Gredeu | ooh ok. testing. |
| 00:22.36 | Gredeu | does it usually not break ? or if it breaks is it fixable ? how far into wheezy are we ? |
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| 00:23.00 | delvalle26 | I've been using it for a couple of months without issue, but your mileage my vary, as they say |
| 00:23.07 | daemonkeeper | Wheezy is continuous process |
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| 00:23.17 | daemonkeeper | Its not a snapshot in time (yeT) |
| 00:23.21 | delvalle26 | Have you read this FAQ? http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 00:23.22 | abrotman | Gredeu: depends, some days yes, some no .. some not so much, some badly |
| 00:23.38 | abrotman | realistically, squeeze isn't that old |
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| 00:23.59 | Gredeu | abrotman, the packages are slightly outdated for me. on squeeze. |
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| 00:24.13 | Gredeu | abrotman, and i dont know of external repos other than for multimedia. |
| 00:24.45 | delvalle26 | maybe backports is a better option for you? http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 00:25.00 | Gredeu | thank you |
| 00:25.04 | daemonkeeper | you don't want to use external repositories either. I pretend using Teting is more safe. |
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| 00:25.22 | delvalle26 | Gredeu: You're welcome :) |
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| 00:26.58 | Gredeu | squeeze backportrs cannot be used all the time on squeeze ? |
| 00:27.41 | magyar | hmm |
| 00:27.54 | magyar | good 1 |
| 00:27.55 | delvalle26 | I'm not sure of that, I switched to wheezy before giving backports a go... |
| 00:28.04 | daemonkeeper | Gredeu: Why shouldn't they? |
| 00:28.36 | Gredeu | daemonkeeper, does that mean you can use squeeze backports all the time without specifying that at command line ? |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | if a backport exists, you can set it up that way |
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| 00:29.23 | magyar | is zfs in debian kernel yet? |
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| 00:30.50 | daemonkeeper | magyar: It is in kfreebsd |
| 00:31.21 | Gredeu | i can't find miro in the squeeze backports |
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| 00:31.51 | daemonkeeper | Gredeu: There is no guarentee of a backport |
| 00:31.57 | Gredeu | thank you all |
| 00:31.59 | Gredeu | appreciate the help |
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| 00:33.10 | abrotman | judd: versions miro |
| 00:33.11 | judd | Package miro on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.3-2; squeeze: 3.0.3-1; sid: 4.0.2-1; wheezy: 4.0.2-1 |
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| 00:34.13 | Derpadong | Gr. I still cant get an app to use twitter |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | twitter is dying |
| 00:34.33 | daemonkeeper | Is it? |
| 00:34.35 | Derpadong | I see |
| 00:35.04 | abrotman | is pretty sure he saw that on slashdot :) |
| 00:35.17 | daemonkeeper | Oh, that's a proof of evidence. |
| 00:35.23 | ecksun | generally, is there any problem using squeeze backports and later upgrading fully to wheezy? |
| 00:36.36 | Big_Brother | is there a program like NetLimiter for debian 6? |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | Big_Brother: which does what? |
| 00:37.07 | daemonkeeper | ecksun: Backports are by design upgradable to Wheezy (unless you use sloppy) |
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| 00:37.25 | abrotman | eh .. don't the release notes tell you to remove the ones you can ? |
| 00:37.29 | ecksun | nice |
| 00:37.29 | ecksun | whats sloppy? :D |
| 00:37.30 | Big_Brother | abrotman: allows me to limit the amount of bandwidth per program. |
| 00:37.40 | abrotman | !wondershaper |
| 00:37.40 | dpkg | The Wonder Shaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at maximum rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy. Packaged for Debian, read /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian after installation. http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ See also <lartc>. |
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| 00:38.41 | gh0st3r | got a host here that can't wget or apt-get anything... it just sits on "waiting for headers" |
| 00:38.52 | gh0st3r | it can ping out, it can telnet to port 80 of various hosts.... |
| 00:38.55 | gh0st3r | any other ideas? |
| 00:39.49 | daemonkeeper | ecksun: Basically there are two types of backports: stable-backports which won't grow larger than the version of the following stable release, and stable-backports-sloppy (which usually happen to appear close to a new stable release) which can get newer versions than the upcoming stable might have. |
| 00:39.57 | eataudio | Hey all, I just have a quick question. I'm runnng debian squeeze on a xen system and decided to run debsecan. The results, to me, were a little surprising, and I'm just wondering if there is any need for worry. Here is what was output: http://pastebin.com/T4xAFhEN |
| 00:40.41 | daemonkeeper | ecksun: That said, once you are using such a sloppy-backport you have to use at least stable+1-backports as well. |
| 00:40.55 | abrotman | eataudio: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | eataudio: those CVEs have different levels .. some are important, some are not |
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| 00:42.29 | eataudio | abrotman: Yeah, I noticed. There are still quite a few mid to high remote exploits there though. I'm all up-to-date via apt. Just wondering if there is anything I can do that won't comprimise the stability of the system. |
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| 00:45.55 | abrotman | security you mean? |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | eataudio: you can uh .. not install stuff that has vulns ? |
| 00:46.33 | ecksun | daemonkeeper, i see, I was only interested in one package, but wouldnt mind running wheezy, however 1.5 GB on a 3g connection takes a couple of hours so i thought i could delay that until i get back home :) |
| 00:46.44 | ecksun | but that seems to work, so, thank you :) |
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| 00:51.45 | catarrhine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.54 | catarrhine | it just times out really |
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| 00:52.20 | catarrhine | never prompts me for my password, so I think I am going to get schooled on what exactly terminal emulation does? |
| 00:52.26 | eataudio | abrotman: Yeah, security. Bleh, I guess I'll need to audit everything and see what exactly is required. |
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| 00:52.33 | eataudio | abrotman: Thanks for your help. |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | eataudio: remember that many external tools don't actually test the vuln, just look at version strings |
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| 00:53.19 | eataudio | abrotman: Ah, I see. |
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| 00:53.43 | abrotman | eataudio: that debsecan comes from a Debian DB .. AFAIK |
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| 00:54.11 | eataudio | abrotman: Yeah, it grabs it's data from http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable |
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| 00:55.13 | abrotman | right, and compares it to your system |
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| 00:56.10 | eataudio | yup |
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| 00:56.30 | eataudio | And I just have a standard squeeze install, no additional repos. |
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| 00:57.16 | eataudio | It's just surprising. I assumed debian stable is mostly secure. :S |
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| 00:57.46 | eataudio | So I wasn't sure if it was a config error or false positivies or what. |
| 00:57.59 | eataudio | Or if I was misunderstanding the results |
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| 01:12.27 | converge | there is some software to help me undo a rm -r command ? |
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| 01:14.45 | abrotman | converge: your backups |
| 01:14.55 | converge | : ~( |
| 01:15.05 | converge | 10 days ago backup |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | better than none ? |
| 01:15.36 | converge | i never felt so stupid |
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| 01:19.53 | abrotman | wait til he tests his backups and finds out they failed ... |
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| 01:25.30 | verxn | hello everyone |
| 01:25.41 | verxn | how can I determine if my debian install is using a 64 bit kernel? |
| 01:25.51 | verxn | I think it is running 32 bit right now (fresh install in vmware fusion) |
| 01:26.20 | DasEi | verxn: uname -a |
| 01:26.37 | DasEi | verxn: i686 is 32 |
| 01:26.52 | verxn | ok, I'm on 32 then |
| 01:26.54 | verxn | as I thought |
| 01:27.03 | verxn | do I need to reinstall or can I switch in place? |
| 01:27.32 | verxn | Perhaps I should have grabbed an ia64 cd... |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | verxn: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 01:27.37 | verxn | (I grabbed i386) |
| 01:27.44 | abrotman | reinstall |
| 01:27.53 | verxn | it says i386 |
| 01:27.59 | verxn | abrotman: is ia64 the correct one to use? |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | hell no |
| 01:29.20 | verxn | which one should I be grabbing then? multi-arch? |
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| 01:30.06 | abrotman | if you want 64bit .. and ia64 is wrong, what might be another optoin on that page? |
| 01:30.32 | verxn | no clue because I don't have an amd cpu |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | read the descriptoin again |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 01:31.57 | verxn | talk about a HORRIBLE naming convention, lol |
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| 01:32.26 | verxn | thanks |
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| 01:32.52 | DrMARIO | Hello |
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| 01:37.36 | philipballew | how would i mount my flash drive? |
| 01:37.39 | gimpy0435 | I'm having trouble getting fusermount to work. It works on every Ubuntu box I've used int he last few years but I can't get it working on Debian. http://dpaste.com/580238/ |
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| 01:38.26 | DrMARIO | hey anyone have installed debian on a AMD Geode bassed notebook? |
| 01:38.38 | DrMARIO | i cant to configure the graphics!!! |
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| 01:40.08 | malaclyps | so i'd like to use a mediawiki extension under Debian; it's one that's not packaged under mediawiki-extensions, so I'm considering whether to just install it in /etc/mediawiki-extensions , build a local debian package for it based on the other extension packages, or just put it within the extensions directory in the mediawiki /var/www/wiki install |
| 01:40.20 | malaclyps | which would be the most debian-y way of doing it? |
| 01:40.59 | malaclyps | i'm tempted to create a local package because it would be fun, but are there arguments to creating ones own packages that aren't part of the distributino |
| 01:41.06 | malaclyps | ? |
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| 01:47.59 | DrMARIO | anyone can help me? |
| 01:48.19 | DrMARIO | smoebody speak spanish? |
| 01:48.26 | DrMARIO | alquien habla español??? |
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| 01:50.25 | th0r | DrMARIO: solamente ingles |
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| 01:52.01 | Kaizen | fyi upgrading from lenny to squeeze on amazon ec2 is a big mess |
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| 01:52.22 | Igneous | DrMARIO: #debian-es |
| 01:56.02 | DrMARIO | Thanks |
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| 01:58.07 | milk | hello. i'm trying to apt-get something from backports, but i'm getting "W: GPG error: http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA" |
| 01:58.31 | milk | the help says there is no key now - i'm a bit confused, any advice? |
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| 02:05.25 | micols | is it possible to throttle centrino2 chipset voltage/mhz under linux? (not cpu) |
| 02:07.06 | micols | . |
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| 02:08.33 | krakrjak | micols: I've not seen any way. The cpu sure. I haven't had a lot of centrino2 come through here. |
| 02:09.43 | krakrjak | milk: really? where in the help? |
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| 02:12.45 | micols | hm for some reason my irssi wouldn't write in here or scroll log, anybody wrote anything about my chipset problem? |
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| 02:13.36 | krakrjak | micols: I've not seen any way. The cpu sure. I haven't had a lot of centrino2 come through here. |
| 02:14.14 | micols | think I saw some hacks before where you could do it , with the risk of systemcrashes, directly into proc or so |
| 02:14.51 | micols | echo 1300 > /proc/chipvoltage or similar |
| 02:17.37 | milk | krakrjak: maybe i'm misreading this; http://wiki.debian.org/Backports#GnuPG_archive_key ? |
| 02:18.00 | krakrjak | mcols: find anything useful in /sys/devices/system? |
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| 02:18.54 | asarch | Which one, "libspring-jdbc-2.5-java" or "libspring-jdbc-java"? |
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| 02:19.33 | simonlnu | best to fetch the versionless one, as usually those will pull in the versioned one |
| 02:19.44 | asarch | Thank you simonlnu |
| 02:19.45 | asarch | :-) |
| 02:19.53 | simonlnu | np |
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| 02:19.55 | inference | uhm, what exactly -is- debian? |
| 02:20.02 | simonlnu | an os |
| 02:20.20 | inference | well no derp, but like.. what exactly do you mean? |
| 02:20.36 | simonlnu | operating system |
| 02:20.41 | inference | i mean how is it like... uh.. different? |
| 02:20.49 | simonlnu | www.debian.org |
| 02:20.50 | asarch | inference, http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 02:21.00 | krakrjak | milk: it's supposed to be signed still. You just don't need a special key anymore. |
| 02:21.26 | milk | ah, strange, so why might i be getting that error? |
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| 02:22.04 | krakrjak | milk: apt-get update or aptitude update does not solve the problem? |
| 02:22.37 | milk | krakrjak: that's what gives me the "W: GPG error: http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA " error :/ |
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| 02:22.56 | simonlnu | so add the key |
| 02:23.04 | simonlnu | apt-key |
| 02:23.09 | milk | i can't find it anywhere |
| 02:23.15 | asarch | milk, ignore the warning |
| 02:23.19 | simonlnu | or install the bdo keyring package |
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| 02:23.59 | simonlnu | yes for now ignore it, until you get it. only after you've installed it worry if it still does that ;p |
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| 02:24.10 | asarch | It usually happens |
| 02:24.30 | asarch | (For some strange reason that nobody knows) |
| 02:24.31 | DasEi | inference: distrowatch gives an overview of linux-distros |
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| 02:25.21 | simonlnu | well, it's normal. it checks for a gpg signed Release and Release.gpg file (or InRelease for newer apt) |
| 02:25.55 | simonlnu | debian isn't just linux based, it's also got a freebsd kernel |
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| 02:26.10 | simonlnu | debian kfreebsd |
| 02:26.15 | krakrjak | I'm digging kbsd right now. |
| 02:26.26 | krakrjak | still don't have a good working X on this beast yet. |
| 02:26.29 | simonlnu | it's rather nice innit |
| 02:26.41 | simonlnu | i got it going in no time |
| 02:27.01 | krakrjak | yes it is. Wirless is really nice in kbsd for those with ath5k hardware. |
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| 02:27.20 | simonlnu | i hadn't gotten opengl3/d accel going yet, but 2d accel was working iirc |
| 02:27.31 | simonlnu | er, opengl/3d * |
| 02:27.46 | simonlnu | (older ati card) |
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| 02:27.56 | milk | there's only a debian-backports-keyring for lenny-backports, not squeeze-backports. would that matter? |
| 02:28.06 | krakrjak | for whatever reason this T20 ThinkPad with a savage card doesn't quite work right in X yet. |
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| 02:28.26 | milk | hmm, yes it would, for what i want to get |
| 02:28.29 | inference | DasEi, thanks bro |
| 02:28.38 | simonlnu | i think that was one of those that didn't work very well |
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| 02:29.10 | krakrjak | milk: the keys are now in the keyring provided by debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:29.58 | simonlnu | milk: it might be in debian-archive-keyring |
| 02:30.03 | simonlnu | aah, ding |
| 02:30.34 | simonlnu | bdo is now a debian official repo so it got integrated (i forgot) |
| 02:30.44 | simonlnu | !bdo |
| 02:30.45 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 02:30.58 | simonlnu | !bdo key |
| 02:30.58 | dpkg | As backports.debian.org is an official service, installing the debian-backports-keyring package is no longer necessary. Debian Backports release files are signed with the official ftpmaster key. |
| 02:31.03 | milk | tried installing that, got "gpg: unchanged: 2 " |
| 02:31.11 | simonlnu | that's ok |
| 02:31.14 | milk | (gpg: Total number processed: 2) |
| 02:31.16 | simonlnu | update after |
| 02:31.22 | milk | then apt-get update didn't work |
| 02:31.26 | simonlnu | but, which keys? |
| 02:31.44 | simonlnu | (that message isn't very informative) |
| 02:31.57 | milk | same error as above, for squeeze-backports |
| 02:32.03 | gimpy0435 | I'm having trouble getting fusermount to work. It works on every Ubuntu box I've used int he last few years but I can't get it working on Debian. http://dpaste.com/580238/ |
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| 02:32.33 | simonlnu | work how? |
| 02:33.12 | simonlnu | uh, more info - that's not informative either |
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| 02:33.30 | simonlnu | you left off what you were trying to do |
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| 02:34.49 | gimpy0435 | simonlnu: Trying to mount: "sshfs -o allow_root,idmap=user,compression=yes cyan:/media/foo /media/foo" |
| 02:36.25 | simonlnu | do you have user_allow_other in /etc/fuse.conf ? |
| 02:36.43 | gimpy0435 | simonlnu: Yes. |
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| 02:40.03 | simonlnu | hmm. i've always mounted it as root and only allowed a certain user to use it. |
| 02:40.16 | gimpy0435 | simonlnu: How so? |
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| 02:41.27 | simonlnu | ok, just tried it. as long as you have write access to the mountpoint, you should be able to do that. |
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| 02:41.45 | gimpy0435 | I own the mountpoint. |
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| 02:42.16 | DasEi | for apt-add ppa in debian I still need a script other than in ubuntu ? |
| 02:42.30 | simonlnu | fusermount -u works too |
| 02:42.53 | simonlnu | DasEi: there aren't any ppas for debian. that's an ubuntu thing. |
| 02:43.13 | gimpy0435 | wants Debian ppas |
| 02:43.26 | simonlnu | gimpy0435: then something in your setup needs attention. |
| 02:43.56 | gimpy0435 | simonlnu: Hence me being here, I have two Debian boxes doing this and I can't figure out why. |
| 02:44.14 | DasEi | so just good old sources.list, wait recently.. well will finish my homework first |
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| 02:46.06 | simonlnu | gimpy0435: do you have a ssh key for the boxen/task/user? |
| 02:46.27 | simonlnu | it helps fyi, for that sort of thing, otherwise you get asked your password a lot |
| 02:46.40 | DasEi | simonlnu: sorry for asking again, but there is an /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 02:46.43 | simonlnu | gimpy0435: this squeeze's? |
| 02:46.48 | simonlnu | DasEi: yes |
| 02:47.17 | simonlnu | DasEi: so you can avoid editing sources.list. just plop a - say - foo.list file in there |
| 02:47.33 | gimpy0435 | simonlnu: Yes, fully updated. |
| 02:48.01 | gimpy0435 | simonlnu: No key, and I don't want one on this box. |
| 02:48.36 | DasEi | simonlnu: or use a external script aka apt-add ppa:foo-ppa ,this was the question |
| 02:49.04 | simonlnu | gimpy0435: um, i just realised the perms and ownership of fusermount and those other files... that's very very wrong |
| 02:49.24 | simonlnu | DasEi: i don't think that's supported in debian... only in ubuntu |
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| 02:50.21 | stiu | Hi, my touchpad aint't working -- that egrep command yields nothing, how do i configure it? |
| 02:51.13 | simonlnu | fusermount here is root:root 4754 |
| 02:51.31 | simonlnu | er, root:fuse, rather, sorry |
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| 02:52.16 | simonlnu | and fuse.conf is 640 root:fuse |
| 02:52.39 | gimpy0435 | simonlnu: I was getting other errors about perms and that was my attempt to fix them. |
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| 02:53.36 | simonlnu | DasEi: ok, i was wrong. you can, as long as you have python-software-properties installed |
| 02:53.52 | simonlnu | it needs to be setuid |
| 02:54.04 | simonlnu | if you want to mount it non-root, that is |
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| 02:54.56 | DasEi | simonlnu: nice hint, I just found a script on the net doing so, too, buut I'm just working myself into debian, and that I hadn't tried to break my vm |
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| 02:57.54 | krakrjak | break that vm! |
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| 02:58.19 | krakrjak | it's the greatest new gameshow, where the rewards are rebuilding the vm! |
| 02:58.28 | TBotNik | All: Well back to my drama. Please read my writeup and look over the drawing at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11097226#post11097226 All help appreciated! Thanks! |
| 02:58.33 | simonlnu | DasEi: it's already packaged... might as well use the packaged one. |
| 02:59.19 | DasEi | simonlnu: curious questions can safe work, thank you |
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| 03:03.19 | int80_h | which apt command can I use to get a list of installable packages? |
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| 03:04.14 | int80_h | which apt command can I use to get a list of installable packages? |
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| 03:06.29 | zykotick9 | int80_h, "dpkg -l" is one method |
| 03:06.39 | nsadmin | aptitude install some_web_browser, point it at packages.debian.org |
| 03:07.05 | nsadmin | then... |
| 03:07.06 | zykotick9 | int80_h, oh sorry, "installable" or "installed". Above is command to show installed. |
| 03:07.06 | stiu | how do i enable my touchpad? |
| 03:07.11 | nsadmin | ...explore. |
| 03:07.51 | krakrjak | stiu: what type |
| 03:07.54 | zykotick9 | stiu, System / Preferences / Mouse. Touchpad (or similar name) tab. |
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| 03:08.37 | zykotick9 | stiu, is you touchpad working at all? If not, then my directions above probably wont help :| |
| 03:08.50 | stiu | it's not working at all |
| 03:09.02 | stiu | when i plug a mouse, it works, but not the touchpad |
| 03:09.10 | stiu | that egrep command shows nothing |
| 03:09.22 | stiu | egrep -i 'synap|... etc |
| 03:09.24 | krakrjak | stiu: so what type of computer is it? |
| 03:09.37 | stiu | it's a sony laptop |
| 03:09.49 | stiu | lol, dunoo if that's what you wanted to know |
| 03:09.52 | stiu | dunno * |
| 03:09.53 | int80_h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:10.39 | TBotNik | Repeating: All: Well back to my drama. Please read my writeup and look over the drawing at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11097226#post11097226 All help appreciated! Thanks! |
| 03:10.40 | stiu | apt-cache dump? |
| 03:10.40 | nsadmin | stiu, you need to find out exactly what you have, down to the chipset of the thing you want to activate |
| 03:10.40 | DasEi | int80_h: dpkg -l \* shows installable , and as zykotick9 corrected dpkg -l the installed ones |
| 03:10.47 | krakrjak | int80_h: aptitude search '~p' will give you a list of packages not installed. |
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| 03:11.25 | milk | trying again; to get the key installed for squeeze-backports, should i be doing something like "sudo gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys AED4B06F473041FA" (which fails btw)? what next step might help? |
| 03:11.31 | int80_h | cool thanks. I alos just found apt-cache search ... |
| 03:11.47 | zykotick9 | int80_h, an alternative "might" also be "apt-cache search ." but I'm not really sure if that is listing everything |
| 03:12.08 | krakrjak | milk: did aptitude install debian-archive-keyring not work for you? |
| 03:12.11 | DasEi | int80_h: apt-cache show,depends and dpkg -S might be of interest |
| 03:12.12 | int80_h | I think apt-cache search is what I have used in the past. It's been awhile, but that sound right |
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| 03:12.21 | stiu | nsadmin: i'll try to find that |
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| 03:12.30 | int80_h | very helpful channel :) |
| 03:12.36 | DasEi | int80_h: notto forget policy |
| 03:12.48 | milk | krakrjak: i get "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed." |
| 03:12.56 | int80_h | huh? what's notto? |
| 03:13.14 | nsadmin | hotahotto? |
| 03:13.15 | DasEi | not to *, a sleepy typer |
| 03:13.33 | nsadmin | didntwinthelotto? |
| 03:13.41 | int80_h | giggles |
| 03:13.45 | int80_h | you are a sillt goose |
| 03:13.49 | int80_h | silly too |
| 03:14.48 | nsadmin | dontdropthespaghettisauseoryoullgetaspotto! |
| 03:15.16 | nsadmin | maan, this is slow... I need to run gtypist every day again |
| 03:15.23 | int80_h | I'dretortbutImustgototheloo |
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| 03:16.44 | stiu | okay, windows device manager just says it's a synaptics ps2 touchpad, but that i already knew |
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| 03:17.12 | krakrjak | milk: I get that too, but I got the key and backports is working when I just added it. |
| 03:17.34 | Lewoco | How can I associate a text editor with all file types? I don't want to change the default app, I just want a text editor to appear in the list of 'open with' apps in nautilus. |
| 03:17.40 | nsadmin | well maybe the synaptics driver will work... but in any case you can just do a ps2 mouse and it will act generically |
| 03:18.02 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, milk I don't seem to recall having to add a key for bpo - am I mistaken? |
| 03:18.26 | nsadmin | to "associate" there needs to be some context/container to contain the associations, and something to use them |
| 03:18.32 | stiu | the synaptic driver seems to be already installed, i don't know why doensn't it work |
| 03:18.58 | milk | sorry, i should add that i'm using ubuntu server 10.4 |
| 03:19.09 | nsadmin | when you say "doesn't work" can you tell us the exact meaning of that? what behavior exactly? |
| 03:19.12 | krakrjak | zykotick9: I just did it here on kbsd and it has the key and didn't give the same error. |
| 03:19.17 | milk | is there another repo i should be adding for a newer version? |
| 03:20.07 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, i think ubuntu explains the issue quite well |
| 03:20.18 | nsadmin | so, I'll offer additional info source #ubuntu, which I don't know much about... if I give you info that applies to debian, it may or may not work for you |
| 03:20.52 | nsadmin | also, previous question is still up. |
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| 03:21.47 | nsadmin | you're saying "doesn't work" and I still don't know exactly what you're experiencing |
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| 03:22.58 | krakrjak | milk: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports for more information. |
| 03:23.57 | zykotick9 | milk, just to be clear - adding debian repos to your ubuntu system is NOT a good idea |
| 03:25.14 | stiu | nsadmin, i pass my finger on the touchpad and the cursor doesn't move |
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| 03:26.28 | stiu | but when i plug a mouse on usb, it works |
| 03:27.18 | nsadmin | ok, so we know that X is responding to usb mouse of some sort |
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| 03:27.52 | nsadmin | btw, do both work when you plug the external mouse? |
| 03:28.13 | stiu | nope, just the usb mouse |
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| 03:37.47 | stiu | hello? |
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| 03:40.36 | crc32 | Is it true reprepro can't handle different versions of a package? Ie you add another deb file and if an older package exsists it overwrites it? |
| 03:40.56 | crc32 | Also is there a good doc on how to setup a repository and add deb packages to it? |
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| 03:43.39 | wrtiii | Does debian offer something similar to ubuntu server version? |
| 03:44.38 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, it's called Debian stable ;) |
| 03:45.15 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, but much better ;) |
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| 03:46.09 | stiu | btw, for a normal user the non-stable is better, right? |
| 03:46.16 | wrtiii | does it come with a gui? |
| 03:46.17 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, upon further thought on the subject. No. |
| 03:46.48 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, from netinstall it only comes with what you want - by default, that could mean no gui |
| 03:47.01 | krakrjak | wrtiii: not if you don't want one. It's your choice. |
| 03:47.05 | wrtiii | oh ok |
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| 03:47.33 | krakrjak | stiu: stable + occasional sid seems normal for most debian desktop users. |
| 03:47.42 | wrtiii | I just went through two failed attempts to get ubuntu running and have had a couple mentions of debian |
| 03:47.43 | zykotick9 | stiu, start with stable. sid is not "better" |
| 03:47.58 | stiu | what's sid? |
| 03:48.06 | zykotick9 | stiu, sid = unstable |
| 03:48.13 | stiu | mhmm |
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| 03:48.34 | wrtiii | install went fine, reboot and then just a black screen. using a dell optiplex gx280 for the server |
| 03:48.44 | wrtiii | lets find out if debian does any better ;) |
| 03:48.46 | stiu | i asked because i saw chrome's version, it's still 6 on the stable, that's kinda sad, lol |
| 03:48.48 | zykotick9 | stiu, you might be thinking "testing" which is in between the two (but wasn't "designed" to be used) |
| 03:48.58 | zykotick9 | !sns |
| 03:48.59 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 03:49.28 | zykotick9 | stiu, it's possible to update "key" backages in stable using the methods above |
| 03:49.30 | student | hey i have a question, i recently install debian sid, everything works, fine like a charm but when it comes to network-manager it stop showing up in gnome |
| 03:49.38 | zykotick9 | s/backages/packages/ |
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| 03:49.55 | verxn | is there a 64bit jdk package in debian? |
| 03:50.12 | verxn | I see openjdk-6-jdk, but it doesn't seem to specify 32/64 bitness |
| 03:50.23 | crc32 | is there documentation on how to setup a debian repositor that isn't someones blog? |
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| 03:50.38 | crc32 | I'm googling and all I get are blogs |
| 03:51.34 | zykotick9 | ,versions openjdk-6-jdk |
| 03:51.35 | judd | Package openjdk-6-jdk on i386 -- lenny: 6b11-9.1; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~lenny1; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1; sid: 6b18-1.8.7-5; wheezy: 6b18-1.8.7-5; experimental: 6b23~pre3-1 |
| 03:51.37 | krakrjak | what's wrong with blogs? |
| 03:52.00 | stiu | zykotick9: so you saying chrome 6 > chrome 12? |
| 03:52.37 | student | hey i have a question, i recently install debian sid, everything works, fine like a charm but when it comes to network-manager it stop showing up in gnome |
| 03:52.37 | verxn | thanks zykotick9 - which is 64bit? |
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| 03:53.09 | zykotick9 | stiu, 1st it's chromium not chrome in Debian repo. 2nd you seem to suffer from sns. You probably won't be happy with Debian stable... |
| 03:54.12 | zykotick9 | verxn, sorry, my ,versions above is probably due to my own ignorance - i was hoping it would show amd64 (i'm guessing you have to specifically ask for that architecture, but I don't know how, sorry) |
| 03:54.32 | verxn | ok, thanks |
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| 03:55.07 | stiu | zykotick9: sorry, chromium*, and i just wanted to understand, no need to say stuff like that, anyway nvm |
| 03:56.15 | zykotick9 | verxn, looks like it's 64 to me? http://paste.debian.net/124450/ |
| 03:56.16 | jmarsden | verxn: rmadison shows: openjdk-6-jdk | 6b18-1.8.7-2~squeeze1 | squeeze | amd64, armel, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc |
| 03:57.05 | verxn | thanks |
| 03:57.13 | wrtiii | sid using ext4? |
| 03:57.26 | krakrjak | verxn: to be clear you can get 64bit java on Debian. You can even have the sun-java6-jdk and it will install a 64bit jvm. See more details at http://wiki.debian.org/java |
| 03:57.45 | zykotick9 | stiu, generally packages in Debian are NOT cutting edge. They are made to work, and work together. Debian stable is probably NOT what you are looking for. Sorry if I was rude. |
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| 03:58.48 | verxn | ok, looks like I've got 64 bit java jdk |
| 03:58.49 | verxn | cool |
| 03:58.58 | verxn | ok, anyone here happen to know eclipse? |
| 03:59.31 | stiu | zykotick9: it's okaym no problem |
| 03:59.35 | verxn | I'm trying to check out code with subversive in eclipse and I don't appear to get a right click menu... |
| 03:59.35 | stiu | okay, * |
| 03:59.46 | verxn | this is with the debian eclipse standard package install |
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| 04:01.14 | stiu | zykotick9: can you help me with my touchpad problem? i don't know if you were reading, but nsadmin, who was helping me, seems to be afk |
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| 04:02.40 | zykotick9 | stiu, sorry I'm afraid I have NO idea how to get your touchpad working, it's always worked OOTB for me. Best of luck! |
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| 04:03.24 | stiu | okay, thanks anyway |
| 04:03.49 | Rusty1 | verxn: there is a #eclipse channel you could try whilst waiting for someone here? |
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| 04:04.29 | verxn | Rusty1: I asked there |
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| 04:04.32 | verxn | no one is alive |
| 04:04.33 | verxn | :) |
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| 04:12.15 | wrtiii | When making choices for what to install during setup does selecting web server bring the server up with inherent security risks? Is it more difficult to add webserver capabilities later? how does it differ from the file server version? ftp programs pre installed maybe? Primarily my first priority is to run a mumble voice server and later down the road ( 1-3 mnths ) I may start providing some |
| 04:12.15 | wrtiii | web hosting. please advise. |
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| 04:13.16 | nevyn | so the task is selectable at any time by running tasksel if you don't need it right now. I'd leave it |
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| 04:14.16 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, i'd guess "file server" probably installs NFS - but I could be wrong |
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| 04:19.04 | nevyn | wrtiii: the control freak in me doesn't like the task thing at all. |
| 04:19.22 | stiu | chromium != google chrome, i would never presume |
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| 04:21.28 | wrtiii | How difficult is it to add the GUI later? |
| 04:21.35 | wrtiii | just a simple apt-get? |
| 04:21.54 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, not difficult. just an apt-get or aptitude away |
| 04:22.14 | nevyn | or tasksel |
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| 04:23.24 | wrtiii | So really all I want to do is run a murmur server for 20 or so people to chat on really I can just unstar all options on install and it will boot to prompt? then I do an apt-get for mumble-server, edit the ini file and bobs your uncle? |
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| 04:24.09 | nevyn | yep |
| 04:24.15 | nevyn | that's how I'd do it. |
| 04:24.16 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, i'd recommend leaving the "system tools" or whatever |
| 04:24.46 | wrtiii | rgr zyko |
| 04:25.03 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, rgr? what's that mean? |
| 04:25.15 | wrtiii | roger |
| 04:25.22 | zykotick9 | lol - sorry |
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| 04:28.28 | wrtiii | anyone famialler with option11? |
| 04:29.59 | th0r | wrtiii: is that anything like rule 11? |
| 04:30.55 | wrtiii | no like Nortel PBX Option 11 |
| 04:31.47 | th0r | wrtiii: I worked for E/// for ten years, never knew Nortel was debian based |
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| 04:34.47 | wrtiii | why do I get the feeling there is something between the lines on that statement th0r |
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| 04:49.48 | wrtiii | Ok so I just completed the install, reboot, and it comes up to a black screen with a blinking underscore in the top left corner. keystrokes appear to do nothing.. ?? |
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| 04:52.43 | gnarface | wrtiii: i've seen this on a late-model p3 system with onboard intel graphics. after removing the 'quiet' option from the default kernel boot parameters in grub the solution became relatively apparent |
| 04:53.11 | wrtiii | how do I do that if the system will not boot into anything? |
| 04:53.22 | gnarface | wrtiii: chances are its io locking on something early on in the kernel initialization during the parts that the 'quiet' option is suppressing the text output of |
| 04:53.33 | gnarface | wrtiii: oh so this is happening BEFORE grub even comes up? |
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| 04:53.41 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, you also might want to try nomodeset as a kernel option |
| 04:53.58 | wrtiii | I see the POST screen then it goes directly to black w/ cursor in top left corner |
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| 04:54.24 | wrtiii | I previously tried a ubuntu install and it locked at the same spot but video signal dropped as well |
| 04:54.35 | gnarface | wrtiii: how long have you waited? some hardware combos can take up to 30 seconds before they'll move forward to a boot prompt |
| 04:54.45 | wrtiii | been about 5 minutes now |
| 04:54.48 | gnarface | oh |
| 04:55.04 | wrtiii | enough time to through a quick google search at it find nothing definite and then ask in here |
| 04:55.06 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, actually that's the issue i have on my main system. I have to use Unetbootin to avoid ISOLINUX 4 on this box |
| 04:55.06 | gnarface | definitely bad. got a livecd? that nomodeset thing might be worth it |
| 04:55.10 | wrtiii | throw* |
| 04:55.33 | wrtiii | I did use unetbootin to create a usb stick to install from |
| 04:55.46 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, different issue then. Best of luck. |
| 04:56.31 | gnarface | wrtiii: i had a similar problem with an old ibm netvista (P3-800mhz) but it would get as far as grub then do what you're describing afterwards. turned out when i disabled 'quiet' i saw the kernel output claiming my chip didn't have a 'hlt' instruction so i added 'no_hlt' to the kernel options and now its golden again |
| 04:57.03 | gnarface | wrtiii: this is squeeze you're trying this with right/ |
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| 04:57.05 | gnarface | wrtiii: ? |
| 04:57.13 | wrtiii | squeeze? |
| 04:57.22 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, debian 6 |
| 04:57.23 | gnarface | wrtiii: which uh... debian version are yo uusing? |
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| 04:57.50 | wrtiii | unetbootin debian stable_netinstall |
| 04:58.08 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, that's debian 6 which is codenamed squeeze |
| 04:58.44 | wrtiii | could it be something as simple as a bios setting somewhere? |
| 04:59.49 | gnarface | wrtiii: yes it could. i've also seen similar problems with certain matrox video cards on certain amd motherboards where it would do this indefinitely until you remembered to turn 'update edid data' to 'yes' in the bios |
| 05:00.11 | wrtiii | optiplex gx280 with a radeon 5570 card |
| 05:00.16 | gnarface | wrtiii: and even then afterwards there was a weird 30-second pause after POST before the boot loader would come up |
| 05:00.32 | wrtiii | previously when it did the similar thing with ubuntu I removed teh video card and tried the intel onboard and same result |
| 05:01.21 | wrtiii | ok so the nomodeset thing |
| 05:01.24 | gnarface | wrtiii: have you added any hardware in conjunction with this process? going into your bios to toggle 'update edid data' to 'yes' after adding new hardware is often unnecessary but always a good idea |
| 05:01.32 | wrtiii | Can I reboot from the usb stick and add a boot parameter that way? |
| 05:01.55 | gnarface | wrtiii: yes if you can boot from a usb stick you can do pretty much anything to the harddrive |
| 05:02.16 | gnarface | wrtiii: if you've changed any hardware in here recently though you should strongly consider checking the BIOS FIRST though |
| 05:02.17 | wrtiii | no, I had a perfectly working windows server. I created the usb stick and did a install |
| 05:02.27 | wrtiii | no dualbooting or anything. clean slate, debian only |
| 05:02.46 | wrtiii | hardware wise the pc is fully functional |
| 05:03.41 | wrtiii | only thing I can think bios wise is I turned on hyperthreading which was off before |
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| 05:04.08 | gnarface | wrtiii: i've never seen that cause THIS...... but i've seen so many things cause this that are hardware/bios related i would not rule that out |
| 05:04.35 | wrtiii | rgr, I'll go do some troubleshooting, thnx |
| 05:04.36 | gnarface | wrtiii: kernel parameters may help in the case of that as well |
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| 05:04.52 | gnarface | wrtiii: got a livecd you said? |
| 05:05.06 | wrtiii | just whatever the unetbootin made on the usb stick |
| 05:05.07 | gnarface | wrtiii: i recommend a livecd. in fact i recommend you try several different ones if the first doesn't work |
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| 05:05.36 | gnarface | wrtiii: oh you said your livecd(usb) DOES boot fine? |
| 05:05.41 | wrtiii | yes |
| 05:05.46 | wrtiii | wait |
| 05:05.46 | gnarface | oh |
| 05:05.47 | wrtiii | no |
| 05:05.48 | gnarface | oh |
| 05:05.49 | wrtiii | maybe :P |
| 05:05.52 | gnarface | haha find out |
| 05:05.54 | wrtiii | It will boot to install debian |
| 05:06.00 | gnarface | no |
| 05:06.03 | gnarface | get a livecd |
| 05:06.08 | gnarface | one that can go on your usb key |
| 05:06.12 | gnarface | (if that's all you got) |
| 05:06.18 | wrtiii | your are referring to booting into the OS from the usb key without doing a install? |
| 05:06.19 | gnarface | and try to boot with it |
| 05:06.24 | gnarface | yes |
| 05:06.27 | wrtiii | rgr |
| 05:06.30 | gnarface | ever heard of knoppix? |
| 05:06.30 | wrtiii | will test now |
| 05:06.36 | wrtiii | vaguely |
| 05:06.37 | gnarface | debian has a livecd now too |
| 05:06.43 | TBotNik | All: I need to run this command from the cmd line "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE " then set it up in iptables. Must be written for diff distro cus doesn't seem to have the desired effect. Please help me interpret to Debian/Ubuntu and teach right syntax for iptables. Thanks! |
| 05:06.53 | gnarface | its an install-less boot-only linux distro. |
| 05:07.17 | gnarface | its like a cracked-out desktop had a mutated love child with a rescue disk |
| 05:07.49 | gnarface | TBotNik: no. not just no, but HELL fucking kno. |
| 05:07.59 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, gnarface's two statements above are about knoppix, not Debian Live. |
| 05:08.20 | gnarface | zykotick9: :-p |
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| 05:09.21 | wrtiii | I am thinking I already had a livecd ubuntu iso downloaded possibly may use that to troubleshoot seeing as debian and unbuntu have both locked up at the same spot |
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| 05:09.53 | wrtiii | hopefully using the "u" word isn't too terribly taboo in here ;) |
| 05:10.05 | zykotick9 | gnarface, i'm surprised you didn't suggest grml as well ;) |
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| 05:12.02 | gnarface | wrtiii: its terribly taboo here. just 1) also try the debian one 2) try knoppix as well just to be sure (personal advice) and 3) remember that kernel versions count |
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| 05:14.33 | wrtiii | what about system clock time? |
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| 05:14.52 | wrtiii | should I set that in the bios to my local time or to UTC? and would that affect anything? |
| 05:15.07 | Shadur | wrtiii: Not unless you're dualbooting windows. |
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| 05:19.25 | Dewi | wrtiii: utc unless you need windows |
| 05:19.58 | wrtiii | Ok so booted the debian usb again |
| 05:20.03 | wrtiii | grub came up |
| 05:20.11 | wrtiii | I chose the recovery option |
| 05:20.26 | simonlnu | 3rd that (or some other corporate os like mac os) |
| 05:20.28 | wrtiii | lots scroll on screen before it settle on and cursor blinking again @ .. |
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| 05:21.38 | wrtiii | [11.160933] addrconf (netdev_change): eth0: link becomes ready |
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| 05:21.38 | Ratty | Hey, have anyone ran into this problem after updating nvidia drivers: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 275.09.07, |
| 05:21.38 | Ratty | but this NVIDIA driver component has version 195.36.31. |
| 05:22.20 | rozie | Ratty: dpkg -l| grep nvidia |
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| 05:22.40 | Ratty | lolz |
| 05:22.44 | Ratty | that could be why |
| 05:22.46 | Ratty | 1 second |
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| 05:23.48 | wrtiii | ok.. crtl-d puts me @ login, enter my password and I am @ root |
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| 05:28.48 | gnarface | wrtiii: that's kinda a weird line for it to halt on... |
| 05:30.43 | wrtiii | Why when I get logged in and type ls does it just give me a new prompt line? |
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| 05:31.44 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, you don't have anything by default in you home dir, besides hidden files, try "ls -a" |
| 05:32.52 | wrtiii | I did a apt-get install mumble-server and that completed |
| 05:32.57 | wrtiii | shouldn't that show up? |
| 05:33.17 | zykotick9 | wrtiii, doubt it. |
| 05:33.33 | wrtiii | bash logout & rc and profile |
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| 05:33.46 | wrtiii | So how would I edit the ini file for the mumble server then? |
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| 05:34.28 | wrtiii | been quite some time . lol although I guess that question is offtopic until I can get it to boot on it's own properly |
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| 05:35.27 | wrtiii | So I rebooted from the usb stick again, Grub came up with 2 options normal boot and recovery boot |
| 05:35.43 | wrtiii | It's like the usb stick know already that I completed the install? |
| 05:35.50 | gnarface | wrtiii: you're gonna want to read up on the basics of the linux filesystem too. if you don't even know why typing 'ls' returns nothing after the first login you're in a bit over your head and you need to step back and spend a few minutes reading ... something |
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| 05:36.08 | wrtiii | I selected normal and it booted fine |
| 05:36.33 | gnarface | wrtiii: yes the installer knows you already installed |
| 05:36.40 | gnarface | wrtiii: it does that by checking the harddrive |
| 05:36.43 | wrtiii | I realize this gnarface luckily I am a fast study and given a day or two back on a linux system I will be right as rain |
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| 05:37.08 | gnarface | wrtiii: do you have any other boot media at all? is this usb key your only one? |
| 05:37.17 | wrtiii | I just was not anticipating such issues installing the os. |
| 05:37.27 | wrtiii | no I got about 6 of them beside me ;) |
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| 05:37.53 | gnarface | wrtiii: you've run into a weird problem that is probably hardware specific and rare |
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| 05:38.17 | astro5 | just installed debian from a live cd, and there is hardly any software, i couldn't find synaptic package manager either. Did i install it wrong? |
| 05:38.41 | gnarface | wrtiii: when its isolated and fully diagnosed you should probably file a bug report, but first lets fix your boot issue. booting into rescue mode works? |
| 05:38.43 | wrtiii | just my luck.. I did the same 10+ years ago with a new ati card and slackware |
| 05:38.57 | wrtiii | correct gnarface |
| 05:39.19 | wrtiii | Also appears to work booting into non-recovery mode via the usb stick |
| 05:39.52 | gnarface | astro5: nothing is on by default in debian. i'm not familiar with installing from livecd but my base installs in expert mode are similar to this. to get started try: apt-get update && apt-get install [window manager of your choice] |
| 05:40.08 | gnarface | astro5: whatever you pick will have dependencies automatically included. |
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| 05:40.30 | gnarface | astro5: if you want to search for a package its apt-get update && apt-cache search [package name regex] |
| 05:40.32 | astro5 | i couldn't even find a way to set up wifi |
| 05:40.49 | gnarface | astro5: i'd recommend you use a cable for now |
| 05:41.02 | gnarface | astro5: get the cable working first then its easy to get wifi working second |
| 05:41.13 | astro5 | ok, i'll have access to ethernet cable tomorrow - then do i have to install a network manager or something? |
| 05:41.21 | astro5 | to get wifi working? |
| 05:41.38 | gnarface | wrtiii: define non-recovery mode... as in it gives you a login prompt? you can login and it works though? sounds like the new grub version has problems with your hardware in that case, or its default config does at least |
| 05:42.21 | gnarface | astro5: no network manager is not required. its merely one option. its easier to learn but tends to be buggy as hell |
| 05:42.51 | wrtiii | I boot from usb. It comes up to a blue background I believe grub bootloader screen |
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| 05:42.55 | wrtiii | It has two options |
| 05:43.07 | wrtiii | one has (recovery) after it |
| 05:43.17 | wrtiii | both work and I am able to login |
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| 05:43.49 | gnarface | ok good |
| 05:43.51 | gnarface | now |
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| 05:44.12 | gnarface | what does it say when you type 'whoami |
| 05:44.20 | gnarface | i mean whoami |
| 05:44.29 | gnarface | if it says 'root' |
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| 05:44.39 | gnarface | then apt-get update && apt-get install grub |
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| 05:44.44 | gnarface | (to make sure you have the newest version) |
| 05:44.49 | gnarface | then after that uh |
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| 05:44.53 | gnarface | 'grub-update' i think |
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| 05:45.11 | Aaron__ | is upgrade-grub-from-legacy |
| 05:45.13 | gnarface | no, its update-grub |
| 05:45.14 | wrtiii | it responds either root or my username I inputted on install depending to which I am logged in |
| 05:45.47 | gnarface | wrtiii: i thought rescue mode would jsut drop you in as root in single user mode |
| 05:45.55 | gnarface | wrtiii: but maybe that is old news |
| 05:46.13 | wrtiii | ok so apt-get update |
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| 05:46.16 | gnarface | yes |
| 05:46.23 | wrtiii | and then apt-get install grub |
| 05:46.36 | gnarface | assuming your root drive is the harddrive at this point |
| 05:46.38 | gnarface | which it should be |
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| 05:46.49 | gnarface | but there is other stuff you're telling me that doesn't make sense either so... |
| 05:47.25 | wrtiii | done and done. back to root |
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| 05:54.45 | wrtiii | awesome.. so I reboot and still nothing, I boot from usb and it wants to install from scratch again now? |
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| 05:55.41 | boudiccas | wrtiii; methinks there is something wrong there! |
| 05:56.47 | wrtiii | I thinks I am going to throw this computer across the street, lol |
| 05:57.27 | boudiccas | k, but first open the window before you throw it out, otherwise you'll have an even bigger mess to clear up!!!! |
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| 05:58.12 | wrtiii | no windows down here, I'm going to turn big and green and throw it right through the foundation |
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| 05:59.05 | boudiccas | dont do it! just think of your shirt bills having to have a new shirt after turning green each time! |
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| 06:01.34 | boudiccas | thats something that always puzzled me, you never saw the incredible hulk putting on a new shirt after ruining the old one |
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| 06:02.49 | wrtiii | my head hurts, this was supposed to be a 30 minute install |
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| 06:03.17 | wrtiii | I'm half tempted to image the damn machine back to windows tomorrow |
| 06:03.27 | boudiccas | wrtiii; it is thirty minutes install, just no-one said when the thirty minutes starts! |
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| 06:04.05 | boudiccas | wrtiii; well, thast your decision |
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| 06:06.48 | gnarface | wrtiii: did you check the grub config and remove 'quiet' ? |
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| 06:06.58 | gnarface | wrtiii: that was like the first thing i suggested |
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| 06:07.06 | gnarface | wrtiii: did you even do THAT? |
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| 06:09.00 | Vasistha | I have a cdrecord img and toc file. It is of an audio CD (cdda). Is there a way to extract the wav without burning a disc? |
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| 06:09.58 | JordiGH | Guys. |
| 06:10.01 | JordiGH | GUYS. |
| 06:10.04 | JordiGH | Emacs is nonfree. |
| 06:10.11 | JordiGH | It violates the GPL. |
| 06:10.18 | sauvin | Troll. |
| 06:10.24 | JordiGH | http://slashdot.org/submission/1740566/Emacs-violates-GPL-since-2009 |
| 06:10.25 | JordiGH | fact |
| 06:10.28 | JordiGH | rms confirms it |
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| 06:11.52 | stiu | Can anyone help me with my touchpad? It doens't work. it's synaptics |
| 06:12.21 | stiu | an usb mouse plugged works ootb, but not the touchpad |
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| 06:14.30 | stiu | it does not appear in /proc/bus/input/devices as such, tho |
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| 06:15.10 | JordiGH | Sorry, original link: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-07/msg01155.html |
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| 06:19.40 | crc32 | missing bison grammer files? thats it |
| 06:19.54 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 06:19.59 | JordiGH | BUT YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT |
| 06:20.14 | JordiGH | It's like catching the pope with his pants down, wearing a condom. |
| 06:20.32 | zykotick9 | JordiGH, no it isn't. Mistakes happen, that's life. |
| 06:20.35 | JordiGH | Like seeing footage of Richard Dawkins going to communion every Sunday. |
| 06:20.52 | crc32 | I'm not a Rhichard Stallman fan anyways. |
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| 06:21.08 | Vasistha | JordiGH: even if you're right, this just isn't the place to discuss that issue. This channel is for debian support, not political discussions. |
| 06:21.32 | JordiGH | Well, Debian is shipping undistributable binaries, hehehe. |
| 06:21.40 | crc32 | besides JordiGH: Your implieing it was intentional |
| 06:21.52 | JordiGH | let's file an RC bug about it. |
| 06:22.02 | JordiGH | DFSG violation! |
| 06:22.13 | Vasistha | JordiGH: even if you're right, this isn't the channel to discuss it. |
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| 06:23.09 | wrtiii | gnarface: no I did not, there were many suggestion put out when you mentioned that and I apologize but that did not happen |
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| 06:27.59 | boudiccas | jordanm; please take this off-topic discussion to #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:30.44 | wrtiii | during the debian install process it is going to ask if I want to install grub to the mbr. should I chose yes to this. there are no other os's |
| 06:33.52 | boudiccas | wrtiii; i think the general consensus is that its your choice, you decide |
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| 06:35.23 | stiu | ok, i surrender, will install sid |
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| 06:49.34 | berserkr | good morning!!! |
| 06:50.44 | wrtiii | morning already? |
| 06:51.05 | berserkr | for me.. yes |
| 06:51.13 | wrtiii | 2am here |
| 06:51.35 | berserkr | :O 8:50Am here xD |
| 06:53.21 | wrtiii | egypt? |
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| 06:54.12 | berserkr | nop, spain |
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| 06:56.39 | berserkr | what zone? |
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| 06:57.03 | crc32 | What does it mean when apt-get says Conflicting distribution: http://someUrl lucid Release (expected lucid but got ) |
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| 06:58.29 | berserkr | crc32: is possible that you have some repos of different versions? |
| 06:58.59 | wrtiii | going to be in Italy |
| 06:59.01 | crc32 | What does that even mean? I have 1 repo. |
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| 06:59.46 | crc32 | how does a repo have a version? |
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| 07:02.58 | Vasistha | crc32: meaning perhaps your /etc/apt/sources.list references e.g. squeeze as well as wheezy, or perhaps some other repos |
| 07:03.08 | Vasistha | (I think, I'm just guessing berserkr's intention here) |
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| 07:03.52 | crc32 | well it says expected lucid but got "") |
| 07:03.54 | zykotick9 | Vasistha, notice the "lucid" in crc32's post? |
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| 07:04.16 | Vasistha | zykotick9: uh oh |
| 07:05.18 | berserkr | crc32: sometimes, people set different versions of repo source.. like stable and testing both in the same installation... |
| 07:05.19 | Vasistha | crc32: yeah, so, when you're using ubuntu, problems with the repos are ubuntu's problem. debian folks really are not familiar with the different versions of files that are available to ubuntu. This is one of those questions where you really do have to ask #ubuntu we really cannot help with ubuntu repo issues. |
| 07:06.26 | crc32 | right. cause I really don't think ubuntu tampered much with the source. but watever. |
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| 07:07.55 | berserkr | ubuntu not, but user yes... xD |
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| 07:09.24 | delby | hi. is it important to use the latest installation image? i already have a copy of debian-6.0.1-i386-netinst.iso but the latest is 6.0.2.1. should i download the latest or save the bandwidth and use 6.0.1? |
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| 07:10.44 | gnarface | delby: i do not know for sure but i suspect that if the old one still works for you and you are only doing one install then who cares? |
| 07:10.58 | berserkr | wrtiii: nice country. enjoy the sun and the paryt |
| 07:11.00 | berserkr | party* |
| 07:11.10 | gnarface | delby: with a minimal base install ... |
| 07:11.22 | gnarface | delby: ... you can always update afterwards |
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| 07:11.48 | berserkr | delby: is not necessary, you can use it and upgrade later |
| 07:12.33 | delby | gnarface, berserkr: thanks. will use the one i have and upgrade. |
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| 07:13.02 | jonaskoelker | Hi all. Can I use aptitude to search for packages that are installed and where the installed version is neither in stable nor testing? If so, how? |
| 07:13.14 | berserkr | np ;P |
| 07:13.26 | jonaskoelker | For sure '~i!~Astable!~Atesting' doesn't do it :| |
| 07:13.47 | jonaskoelker | berserkr: I can't filter on attributes of the installed version? |
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| 07:17.50 | jonaskoelker | There we go: '?narrow(~i, !~Astable !~Atesting)' |
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| 07:18.32 | wrtiii | berserkr: I plan to. It's looking like naples but could be trapani, poggio (sp), or some other place on the east end of sicily |
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| 07:18.42 | wrtiii | gonna be there 6-9 months :P |
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| 07:19.39 | Guest56346 | I want to create a vpn connection, in Network Connection window and in VPN tab, Add button is disabled. how can active or enable it? |
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| 07:21.26 | crc32 | 1 question though. Are there any upto date docs on how to create a debian repo? |
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| 07:23.56 | berserkr | wrtiii: you got an erasmus?? |
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| 07:24.04 | berserkr | heheh |
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| 07:26.55 | wrtiii | got a what? |
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| 07:28.01 | gnarface | !bootlog |
| 07:28.01 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 07:32.53 | berserkr | wrtiii: erasmus is an scholarship to bring students to other universities around the world.. are 6-9month and one of the common destination is Italy-spain |
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| 07:33.41 | berserkr | but now that I say, i think is only around Europe |
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| 07:39.40 | wrtiii | oh |
| 07:39.44 | wrtiii | nope |
| 07:39.45 | wrtiii | military |
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| 07:45.33 | ShishKabab | Hi. What could cause a program that is slow at a certain point, get fast once I attach strace to it? The problem is that doing an fsockopen to a local port from PHP (running in a chroot environment) takes 5 seconds. Once I attach strace to the process, the fsockopen call return immediately. |
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| 07:49.06 | gnarface | ShishKabab: are you using dynamic cpu frequency scaling? |
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| 07:50.50 | ShishKabab | gnarface: Where can I check that? It a virtualized server, so running under Xen if that's of any relavance. |
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| 07:52.03 | gnarface | ShishKabab: oh. in that case i have no idea, sorry |
| 07:52.32 | ShishKabab | gnarface: No problem. Thanks for trying. |
| 07:53.32 | gnarface | ShishKabab: what program? |
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| 07:54.46 | ShishKabab | gnarface: PHP, see http://codepad.org/ylDJvApJ . |
| 07:54.57 | mjt | are you sure it's that particular function? can you add timing around it call? |
| 07:55.18 | ShishKabab | mjt: Yes, see the paste. |
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| 07:57.03 | ShishKabab | When I attach strace to a running PHP fcgi process it has the same effect. The call is fast as long as I attach strace to it, but gets slow again once I detach. |
| 07:57.44 | mjt | that paste is incomplete |
| 07:58.14 | mjt | but i wont say much anyway - smells like timing issues |
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| 07:58.35 | mjt | time in a virtual machine is the most problematic issue |
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| 07:58.51 | gnarface | all bets are off since its a virtualized guest |
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| 07:59.04 | mjt | not really, but it becomes much harder |
| 07:59.14 | mjt | i'd suggest asking xen people |
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| 08:00.29 | mjt | especially since ShishKabab appears to be not a newbie in this area :) |
| 08:01.33 | ShishKabab | mjt, gnarface: Well, the problem is that I can't really tell whether PHP is doing something strange in the fsockopen function or the underlying system call is slow. The end effect is that mailing from PHP through my SMTP server is horribly slow. |
| 08:02.36 | ShishKabab | The rest of the PHP stuff runs fine. |
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| 08:05.39 | RLa | debian multiarch will mean nonstandard directories for headers and compiled libraries? |
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| 08:06.28 | mjt | nonstandard? |
| 08:07.36 | mjt | are /lib64 and /lib32 standard? Are the directories which are searched by default by a compiler standard? |
| 08:08.15 | RLa | aren't they /lib, /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib? |
| 08:08.54 | RLa | for cross-compilation, isn't it just easier to manually override some locations, but not system-wide? |
| 08:09.07 | RLa | i.e with just compiler arguments |
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| 08:12.13 | RLa | i just fear it can introduce lot of hard-to-debug library problems |
| 08:12.31 | mjt | i don't see how |
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| 08:14.10 | RLa | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/TheCaseForMultiarch#Benefit |
| 08:14.31 | RLa | is there benefit for normal users? |
| 08:14.56 | mjt | you can install 32 and 64bit programs on the same system |
| 08:15.27 | mjt | eg, can have 32bit adobe flash on 64bit system |
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| 08:15.50 | RLa | that is benefit only when source code is not available? |
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| 08:16.06 | RLa | otherwise you just compile to native (64-bit) target? |
| 08:16.21 | mjt | i use mixed 32/64 environment for ages for different purpose |
| 08:16.47 | mjt | when compiling some stuff as 64bits it require twice the amount of memory |
| 08:17.07 | RLa | that's why i do not run 64-bit systems |
| 08:17.30 | SandmanNet | Argh, I've forgotten it! So I added more HD space in my virtual machine, which is running debian... But I know I have to use cfdisk to expand the sda1 partition, but first I have to run some command to grow to the known space... |
| 08:17.31 | mjt | you have to if you need (to utilize) more memory |
| 08:17.37 | yomeister | hey, I suspect the deb http://ftp.belnet.be/debian/ sid main is down, can I add more repos in my /etc/apt/sources.list file and have the same results? |
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| 08:18.34 | RLa | mjt, so special software on 64-bit might require 32-bit compilation to reduce memory usage? but most of 64-bit software does not need it? |
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| 08:20.26 | mjt | !sources.list |
| 08:20.26 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 08:20.47 | mjt | yomeister: ^^^ |
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| 08:21.34 | mjt | SandmanNet: that is specific to your virtual environment - some may grow diskspace at runtime, some require guest reboot. |
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| 08:22.12 | berserkr | i have a problem with debian squeeze. the problem is with the graphic configuration that, occasionally, makes a visible screen refresh. |
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| 08:22.41 | SandmanNet | mjt: yes, absolutely, but after having changed the paritition size in debian, ther eis a command you have to run to grow the partition... I.e. even though the partition is, say, 100GB, Debian will se it as the earlier, say, 50GB... until you run this command which I've forgotten about |
| 08:22.44 | berserkr | like a blink |
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| 08:23.43 | voltagex | hi, are the daily jigdo install images being built anymore? Not the netinst or the businesscard ones. |
| 08:23.47 | jack_lt | I want to replace a repo with another. Is there an easy way to remove all packages from a repo and replace them with packages of the other repo? |
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| 08:24.21 | jack_lt | these are not official repos |
| 08:24.26 | iceroot | jack_lt: are the versions from the packages higher in the new repo? |
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| 08:25.19 | jack_lt | iceroot, quite a few yes, but not all. And some might be missing in one or the other repo |
| 08:25.37 | jack_lt | iceroot, otherwise you just could upgrade it |
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| 08:27.08 | razz11 | is there an pastebin version for files so that I can upload log files and send the link to the mailing list asking for help? |
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| 08:36.55 | niklaswe | has someone got this problem before.. Neighbour table overflow |
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| 08:38.30 | niklaswe | The problem is that i have 2 swtich, I put the ISP-cable to switch1, and from switch1 I also put a cable between switch1 and switch2, And connect my debian box in switch2 some also share the internet on my Lan |
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| 08:42.36 | jack_lt | Is there an easy way to remove all packages from a repo ? |
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| 08:48.59 | Viliny | Hello! I bought a asus mictoatx motherboard with the following chip integrated: Realtek® ALC 887 -> Audio works but the tool to set audio volume in the top right corner of gnome doesn't seem to work at all. Any tips? |
| 08:49.19 | twofish | derp, where do I find the memcpy.so preload fix after the switch to elibc? |
| 08:49.37 | Viliny | the motherboard in question is: M5A78L-M LX |
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| 08:52.29 | twofish | or, when I get a notification during an upgrade, how can I go back and re-read it? |
| 08:52.29 | colo-work | Viliny, have you tried fiddling with alsamixer yet? |
| 08:52.42 | Viliny | colo-work: i have not |
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| 08:56.00 | uuid | Hi! I want stable on my sandy bridge machine but the installers don't support the network card. can I install from a testing netinst and then downgrade? |
| 08:56.28 | colo-work | nop. but you can wait until wheezy is the new stable ;) |
| 08:56.52 | colo-work | alternatively, there are stable install media with tbackported kernel images available |
| 08:56.55 | twofish | or you can install wheezy / testing |
| 08:56.55 | SandmanNet | So, my partition table is as follows: "sda1 5GB", "sda5, Linux Swap", "Free space 16GB" |
| 08:56.59 | colo-work | maybe those work with your NIC |
| 08:57.03 | SandmanNet | How do I use that free space for my sda1 parittion? |
| 08:57.28 | uuid | colo-work: so I install stable and fetch the backport packages via usb stick? |
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| 08:58.18 | colo-work | uuid, check http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 08:58.28 | uuid | colo-work: thanks! |
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| 09:00.51 | Viliny | do you recommend swap space on a system with 8gb ram? |
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| 09:01.42 | colo-work | I don't have any |
| 09:01.50 | twofish | hmm, when I get a release message during an upgrade (like the recent one for eglibc), where can I go to re-read that? I'm assuming it's stored locally somewhere |
| 09:01.56 | MrCoffeeTV | Viliny: It depends on what you want to compile... |
| 09:02.09 | Viliny | i usually don't compile much |
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| 09:02.38 | MrCoffeeTV | If you have a couple terabytes of storage, then why not go for it? 16 gigs of swap, and I'd say you won't have memory problems for a long time :D |
| 09:02.42 | twofish | It never hurts to have a gig of swap |
| 09:02.54 | Viliny | system only has 2.5 teras :p |
| 09:03.20 | colo-work | once your system swaps because of an oom-scenario, you can effectively just reboot the machine |
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| 09:03.30 | colo-work | unless you're the most patient being in the known universe |
| 09:03.44 | uuid | or unless you have an ssd which makes it less painful |
| 09:03.48 | Viliny | well, this is supposed to be a server |
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| 09:05.36 | Viliny | while im here, i'd like to set up user accounts and let them ftp to their homefolders remotely and mock about in their home folder freely, my ubuntu server had this but even if they didn't have write permissions anywhere else they could still browse about the system files, is there a way to prevent that? |
| 09:05.42 | Viliny | and what ftp server do you recommend? |
| 09:05.45 | MrCoffeeTV | Can someone give me an idea on how to get Chrome updated to current, on Squeeze? |
| 09:06.09 | MrCoffeeTV | I have Chromium, but can't install Chrome without Chromium, and Chromium is dated according to Google... |
| 09:07.04 | MrCoffeeTV | And then when I run Firefox, it defaults to Iceweasel... Yes, I know it's still Firefox. It just looks... interesting. |
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| 09:07.44 | voltagex | hi, are the daily jigdo install images being built anymore? Not the netinst or the businesscard ones. |
| 09:08.41 | aminpy | I installed debian, but my sound is not works |
| 09:08.51 | aminpy | how can I fix this problem? |
| 09:08.56 | aminpy | doesn't work* |
| 09:09.12 | nkuttler | any ideas why i'm still able to password auth ssh into a box that has "PasswordAuthentication no"? sshd restarted obviously |
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| 09:09.58 | mmike | If I get "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" while doing dpkg -i <some-package>, where do I find the log of the preinstall srcipt? |
| 09:11.05 | uuid | nkuttler: try to move your keyfile, maybe you are allowed to provide a password after you authenticated with the file :) |
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| 09:11.27 | nkuttler | uuid: already tried, but thanks |
| 09:11.55 | uuid | nkuttler: tried -vvv on the client? |
| 09:12.48 | TCW | aminpy, did it work before? FIs this the first GNU/Linux install? |
| 09:12.49 | f8l | dpkg: tell aminpy about alsa-checklist |
| 09:13.12 | aminpy | TCW, yes this first |
| 09:13.41 | aminpy | this is* |
| 09:13.42 | f8l | voltagex: I think this is a question to debian-cd team. |
| 09:13.44 | TCW | aminpy, cat /proc/asound/cards paste that on paste.debian.net |
| 09:14.00 | nkuttler | uuid: yeah, no help there either. this is bizarre |
| 09:14.18 | dym | what does the asterisk next to a filename in ls -al mean? |
| 09:14.27 | jack_lt | hmm apt-show-versions | grep 'No available' |
| 09:14.27 | aminpy | TCW, http://paste.debian.net/124458/ |
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| 09:15.11 | stefuNz | hi. i accidently did a apt-get upgrade with the sid-repository, which i didn't want. how can i reverse that (update to the stable versions of the packages) |
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| 09:15.17 | TCW | aminpy, is you user in the audio group? If you are not sure: id paste the output |
| 09:15.34 | f8l | dym: What do you mean? |
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| 09:15.51 | jack_lt | is there a log file of apt somewhere? |
| 09:15.59 | jack_lt | what was rm etc.? |
| 09:16.15 | TCW | stefuNz, that "use case" is not supported and basicaly you are screwed ;) How many packages got upgraded? |
| 09:16.29 | aminpy | TCW, I'm not |
| 09:16.34 | stefuNz | about 500 :D |
| 09:16.42 | dym | f8l: |
| 09:16.43 | dym | -rwxrwxrwx 1 asd asd 3966 Jul 29 10:01 asd_xml.php* |
| 09:16.43 | dym | -rwxrwxrwx 1 asd asd 17013 Jul 29 09:39 asd_xml.xml* |
| 09:17.09 | f8l | stefuNz: You cannot update to stable versions of packages. You can at least downgrade them, but this is not recommended. |
| 09:17.12 | TCW | aminpy, as root: adduser <your username> audio |
| 09:17.23 | stefuNz | f8l: so what to do ? |
| 09:18.00 | TCW | stefuNz, is that an important box? |
| 09:18.07 | themill | stefuNz: reinstall from a backup is the easiest approach; also "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" and hope. |
| 09:18.08 | stefuNz | TCW: yes. |
| 09:18.20 | aminpy | TCW, I did it, but I haven't any sound yet |
| 09:18.24 | f8l | stefuNz: You can wait for stable to have newer packages, but this will take a while. |
| 09:18.36 | TCW | aminpy, did you relogin? |
| 09:18.42 | stefuNz | f8l: yep :) alright .. seems that i'm screwed .. thanks :) |
| 09:18.47 | aminpy | no w8 |
| 09:18.58 | TCW | stefuNz, does the system "work"? |
| 09:19.11 | f8l | stefuNz: When I say "not recommended" I don't mean "not possible". I have successfully downgraded sid systems to stable before. |
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| 09:19.17 | stefuNz | TCW: just some services don't .. php5-mysql for example .. |
| 09:19.31 | TCW | stefuNz, do you need them? |
| 09:19.34 | f8l | stefuNz: I just wanted to warn you â it may be dangerous. |
| 09:19.38 | stefuNz | TCW: yes. |
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| 09:19.45 | stefuNz | f8l: so what could be the worst case ? |
| 09:19.46 | f8l | stefuNz: Read about apt pinning to know how. |
| 09:19.49 | twofish | where is libc at now? it's not at /usr/lib/libc after the last upgrade |
| 09:19.50 | uuid | f8l: I can say that right now, a downgrade from testing to stable doesn't work -at least not without major problems |
| 09:19.58 | uuid | grub and nfs issues |
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| 09:20.31 | f8l | uuid: Good to know. Tell that stefuNz. ;-) |
| 09:20.53 | uuid | stefuNz: don't try to apt-pin downgrade to stable, I just tested and it breaks your grub :) |
| 09:20.53 | stefuNz | ;) |
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| 09:21.02 | stefuNz | OK. |
| 09:21.06 | TCW | imho an alternate media to boot from is somewhat a basic tool to downgrade a system |
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| 09:21.16 | uuid | unless you absolutely need stable I'd just stick with the newer packages |
| 09:21.17 | stefuNz | i'm already afraid of rebooting :D |
| 09:21.25 | TCW | But yeah, it may get messy :) |
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| 09:21.49 | aminpy | TCW, I login again, but i didn't sound yet -> http://dpaste.com/581389/plain/ |
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| 09:22.58 | TCW | aminpy, as user, run: alsamixer (or any other mixer) are any channels muted?In Alsamixer you see that with "MM" in the lower area of the leveler. |
| 09:23.13 | miasma | uuid: but grub can be reinstalled manually quite easily |
| 09:23.17 | f8l | dym: According to ls info page, '*' is appended to executable files. |
| 09:23.25 | dym | f8l: cheers |
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| 09:24.11 | f8l | dym: In your case this seems to be bad. Why should an xml file be executable? |
| 09:24.45 | dym | f8l: yeah, ill handle that |
| 09:24.48 | aminpy | TCW, I saw alsamixer, I had some MM and corrected it |
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| 09:25.35 | TCW | aminpy, and raise the levels to something... sensible :) |
| 09:25.55 | aminpy | TCW, yeah I raised levels |
| 09:26.02 | uuid | colo-work: thanks for your hint. I'm now successfully running the backport stable |
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| 09:27.12 | RichiH | what's a simple program which diplays the video stream from a usb cam? |
| 09:27.29 | jaakkos | mplayer |
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| 09:27.39 | TCW | RichiH, I guess you don't want to hear mplayer? ;) |
| 09:27.49 | jaakkos | mplayer tv:// |
| 09:27.55 | RichiH | matter of fact, i am trying to figure out what the device path, is atm |
| 09:28.03 | colo-work | uuid, great :) |
| 09:28.08 | TCW | RichiH, is the device supported? |
| 09:28.10 | RichiH | neat. |
| 09:28.15 | RichiH | jaakkos: works |
| 09:28.20 | TCW | ok, it is :) |
| 09:28.27 | RichiH | linux has become too simple and easy to use |
| 09:28.29 | RichiH | tsk |
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| 09:31.04 | TCW | aminpy, does it work? |
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| 09:44.50 | aef | hi, i'm trying to build a debian installer initram image with a preseed file. when i issue make build_netboot at last, i get error messages that a lot of udebs containing kernel modules cannot be found. it seems the builder wants to take them from unstable but i want to build the install for stable squeeze. how can i tell it to use the stable udebs? |
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| 09:44.58 | Viliny | how can i limit a user or group from viewing system files? |
| 09:45.47 | crys | chmod mb |
| 09:46.42 | cahoot | Viliny, why? |
| 09:48.06 | Viliny | nevermind |
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| 09:58.01 | FDFlock | Any networking gurus around here? |
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| 10:04.31 | amgarching | hi, "stat regularfile" shows "Links: 2". This file was restored from the backup right now. How comes it has more than one link to already? How do I find another "dentry" or whatever the proper name is? |
| 10:04.57 | amgarching | dpkg: ask |
| 10:04.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:06.34 | Jackneill | hi |
| 10:06.37 | Jackneill | can you help me? |
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| 10:06.56 | Jackneill | what's the difference in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-dvd/ of DVD-1 -2 -3...? |
| 10:07.12 | Woet | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ |
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| 10:07.22 | asdjaputra | 1-8 is the repo |
| 10:07.22 | Viliny | anyone here good with symbolic links? i need some help :/ |
| 10:07.40 | Woet | Which of the numerous images should I download? Do I need all of them? |
| 10:07.40 | Jackneill | i want to install a server :) |
| 10:07.53 | Woet | so please read the FAQ, Jackneill |
| 10:07.56 | asdjaputra | Jackneill, if you won't need all repo download 2 DVDs only are OK |
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| 10:08.05 | seppy003 | how to change the priority of networking, couse debian uses openvpn as default (instead of eth0) |
| 10:08.13 | Jackneill | ok |
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| 10:08.27 | Viliny | i want to make a symbolic link from a /home/user/www folder to a folder residing in /var/www/username - whats the proper syntax for this? |
| 10:08.39 | Viliny | and can i link a folder with one name to a folder with another? |
| 10:08.51 | asdjaputra | ln -s /var/www/username /home/user/www |
| 10:09.08 | amgarching | or vice versa |
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| 10:10.26 | asdjaputra | amgarching, what do you mean? |
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| 10:11.10 | Ozzapoo_ | Hi |
| 10:11.11 | amgarching | I understood him as if he wants "ln -s /home/user/www /var/www/user" |
| 10:11.31 | Ozzapoo_ | Is there any tool that will alert me (through email) if my cpu usage becomes too high? |
| 10:11.45 | Woet | Ozzapoo_: numerous, such as csf/lfd |
| 10:11.55 | Woet | or nagios/opsview if you want to do proper (remote) monitoring |
| 10:12.31 | amgarching | ok, I found the second dentry. You get the inode of the file "ls -i file", then search for that inode "find . -inum INODE" |
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| 10:12.56 | Viliny | ln -s /var/www/username /home/user/www <- The problem with this one is that it creates a folder called user in the www folder in /home/user/www while i want the /home/user/www to actually be the /var/www/user folder |
| 10:13.15 | asdjaputra | wga? |
| 10:13.18 | asdjaputra | wha? |
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| 10:15.07 | asdjaputra | oh yeah Viliny that should be `ln -s /home/user/www /var/www/username' |
| 10:15.10 | asdjaputra | soz |
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| 10:15.51 | asdjaputra | why won't ln makers made it ln [OPTIONS] `Directory' `Target' |
| 10:15.56 | Viliny | cool, thank you... how do i erase the old link now? |
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| 10:16.33 | asdjaputra | rm? |
| 10:16.36 | amgarching | rm link, but check first that is a link indeed "ls -l link" |
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| 10:17.05 | R1ck | because of firewalling, I need to specify a specific port for nlockmgr (NFS), I cant find options for this in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server (or nfs-common) - anyone know how I can do this? |
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| 10:18.28 | Viliny | won't that create a folder called www in var/www/username/ asdjaputra ? |
| 10:19.00 | asdjaputra | no |
| 10:19.13 | asdjaputra | that'll link /var/www/username to be your /home/user/www |
| 10:19.19 | asdjaputra | ln works the way around |
| 10:19.27 | asdjaputra | see man ln |
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| 10:19.57 | amgarching | learn the difference between "ln -s name directory" and "ln -s name directory/anothername" |
| 10:20.00 | Viliny | cool, thank you :) |
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| 10:21.45 | Viliny | i can't see the difference between the two tbh, other than that they are switched around |
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| 10:23.05 | amgarching | run both: "ln -s /this/path/does/not/exits ." and "ln -s /this/path/does/not/exits ./fake-path" |
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| 10:25.12 | Viliny | the second one has a target directory? |
| 10:25.50 | asdjaputra | the first one runs and makes exits link, the second one runs and make fake-path link |
| 10:26.09 | asdjaputra | and the first one still have target directory (. - current dir) |
| 10:27.01 | Viliny | where does it differ? i mean 2 identical commands can't do 2 different things... im just not seeing where the syntax differs |
| 10:27.43 | amgarching | i didnt tell you should "mkdir fake-path" first |
| 10:28.00 | asdjaputra | cus it's broken? |
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| 10:29.58 | Viliny | well, nevermind |
| 10:30.03 | Viliny | thank you for the help |
| 10:30.17 | asdjaputra | k i'm planning to make debian my primary OS, alongside with BackTrack, but i just don't know what DE should i use, GNOME or KDE |
| 10:30.27 | asdjaputra | or Fluxbox or Openbox |
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| 10:30.44 | SPF | I try to supress stderr (in a script) with kill $PID1 $PID2 $PID3 $PID4 $PID5 $PID6 $PID7 $PID8 >/dev/null 2>&1, but it doesnt seem to work |
| 10:30.56 | SPF | my shell is bash |
| 10:31.26 | nsadmin | why are you killing all those pids |
| 10:31.49 | SPF | I'm starting 8 tails (log files) and need to stop those tails when I'm done |
| 10:31.55 | nsadmin | are they part of a program you're writing? |
| 10:32.10 | SPF | yes |
| 10:32.11 | amgarching | is this the output of dying PIDs, maybe? |
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| 10:32.14 | nsadmin | just hit ctl-c |
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| 10:32.54 | nsadmin | <PID> Help, I'm zombied and I can't foreground |
| 10:33.00 | SPF | it's too much of an effort to start 8 terminals running 8 tails and start/stop them every time |
| 10:33.05 | colo-work | GNU tail can process multiple files at once |
| 10:33.24 | SPF | I dont want to mix the log files |
| 10:33.24 | colo-work | use killall or pkill instead of just kill |
| 10:33.28 | aminpy | TCW, are you there? |
| 10:33.43 | colo-work | (oh, and kill doesn't work like that. you'll have to iterate over all the PIDs you want to kill) |
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| 10:34.27 | SPF | iterate? what do you mean? |
| 10:34.29 | macrobat | asdjaputra: xfce4 is nice |
| 10:35.22 | macrobat | SPF: for p in <list of pids>; do kill $p; done |
| 10:35.48 | chenthu | hey guys...can u tell me the positives of using debian? |
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| 10:36.08 | macrobat | you get support in this nice channel |
| 10:36.10 | amgarching | I used to kill many pids in one command, always worked |
| 10:36.17 | themill | dpkg: tell chenthu about why debian |
| 10:36.20 | asdjaputra | killall? |
| 10:36.21 | asdjaputra | lol |
| 10:36.27 | Jiyuusenshi | http://www.debian.org/intro/about#why |
| 10:36.28 | nsadmin | SPF, you could write a script which starts them and puts all the pids in a file... and a script that reads that file and kills em all... just like metallica |
| 10:36.44 | SPF | I'm using $! |
| 10:36.45 | Jiyuusenshi | read the gentle documentation, chenthu |
| 10:37.06 | asdjaputra | .rtfm |
| 10:37.13 | asdjaputra | uh, dpkg? |
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| 10:37.30 | nsadmin | !test |
| 10:37.30 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 10:37.35 | Jiyuusenshi | or read this one, chenthu: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
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| 10:37.44 | nsadmin | test... FAILED????????????!!!?!?!!!? |
| 10:37.57 | asdjaputra | oh k |
| 10:37.59 | asdjaputra | !rtfm |
| 10:37.59 | dpkg | somebody said rtfm was Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 10:37.59 | Jiyuusenshi | there are many documents about the pros of debian |
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| 10:38.14 | Jiyuusenshi | texinfo manuals ftw :D |
| 10:38.14 | chenthu | themill and Jiyuusenshi : Thank you |
| 10:38.49 | asdjaputra | chenthu, debian.org/intro/why_debian.en.html |
| 10:39.00 | nsadmin | asdjaputra, and I know you respond in an egoless manner every time a bot tells you something like that :) |
| 10:39.10 | asdjaputra | grr @ dpkg |
| 10:39.25 | chenthu | asdjaputra: Thank you |
| 10:39.37 | asdjaputra | sometimes i hate bots, or #ubuntu admins (please don't feel offended) |
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| 10:41.11 | SPF | odd, with kill -9 I dont get any 'Killed by signal' messages |
| 10:42.25 | themill | SPF: it's tail that's making the "killed by signal" message not kill; that means it's tail's output that needs redirecting, not kill's. (And kill -9 is ugly...) |
| 10:42.37 | chenthu | Guys does gnome 3 work on debian? |
| 10:42.37 | themill | SPF: btw, would multitail be of use? |
| 10:42.37 | nsadmin | so if you want to for next time... you can consider how you would respond... (you did say !rtfm. you were expecting maybe a cloud of positivity to float from the bot to your subject?) |
| 10:42.42 | themill | ,info multitail |
| 10:42.43 | judd | Package multitail (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: view multiple logfiles windowed on console. Version: 5.2.2-2; Size: 139.9k; Installed: 392k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/multitail |
| 10:42.59 | asdjaputra | so many bots so little time |
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| 10:43.18 | Posterdati | hi |
| 10:43.27 | Posterdati | please what does it means? |
| 10:43.29 | Posterdati | bash: /usr/bin/which: cannot execute binary file |
| 10:43.55 | SPF | themill: thx for the tip, no multitail because some tails are running on remote systems |
| 10:44.07 | nsadmin | I'm just suggesting, think about how you would feel before you strike... and just know that I should probably do that too |
| 10:44.35 | nsadmin | more consistantly at least |
| 10:46.35 | SPF | it works perfectly now |
| 10:46.59 | nsadmin | Posterdati, it means... (1) you probably typed which twitch.txt or something |
| 10:47.02 | amgarching | SPF: tail has --pid option, if that helps |
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| 10:47.34 | nsadmin | (2) it looked and found a file called which in /usr/bin |
| 10:47.49 | SPF | amgarching: thanks, but I dont need it |
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| 10:47.58 | Posterdati | nsadmin: which has got bad mode |
| 10:48.06 | Posterdati | nsadmin: which has got bad file attributes |
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| 10:48.23 | nsadmin | (3) for some reason that copy of which can't be executed |
| 10:48.30 | nsadmin | that's what it means |
| 10:49.15 | nsadmin | Posterdati, or, content that isn't compatible with the execution environment |
| 10:49.25 | aminpy | I installed debian, and I added my user to audio, and I raises levels in alsamixer, and login again to my user. but my sound doesn't work |
| 10:49.27 | Posterdati | nsadmin: but it's my working system |
| 10:49.29 | aminpy | can anybody help me? |
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| 10:49.57 | Posterdati | nsadmin: I only removed virtualbox-4.0 |
| 10:50.08 | cahoot | aminpy, cat /proc/asound/cards. Only one? |
| 10:50.22 | nsadmin | was that a big job, to remove that? |
| 10:50.32 | Posterdati | nsadmin: how can I reinstall which? |
| 10:50.37 | aminpy | cahoot, Intel |
| 10:50.43 | aminpy | HDA-Interl |
| 10:50.58 | Posterdati | nsadmin: binutils ? |
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| 10:51.19 | cahoot | aminpy, I take it you mean there's only one card listed. Try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 10:51.28 | nsadmin | well binutils is needed by gc |
| 10:51.30 | nsadmin | c |
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| 10:52.15 | nsadmin | could you do "file /usr/bin/which"? |
| 10:52.23 | cahoot | aminpy, then test sound like this: speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
| 10:52.24 | Posterdati | nsadmin: arm elf :( |
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| 10:53.10 | Posterdati | nsadmin: it was overwritten |
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| 10:53.34 | nsadmin | so you want (not arm elf but) what? |
| 10:53.41 | Posterdati | nsadmin: adm64 |
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| 10:53.55 | Posterdati | nsadmin: amd64, some script should overwrite it |
| 10:54.05 | amgarching | Posterdati: /usr/bin/which: symbolic link to `/bin/which' on my debian |
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| 10:54.15 | nsadmin | maybe that whole installation is arm? |
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| 10:54.25 | Posterdati | nsadmin: no |
| 10:54.34 | TCW | aminpy, yes.... why? |
| 10:54.36 | Posterdati | nsadmin: it's a working amd64 debian |
| 10:54.47 | nsadmin | so most of it works? |
| 10:54.56 | Posterdati | nsadmin: yes, I'm chatting with iy |
| 10:54.58 | Posterdati | nsadmin: yes, I'm chatting with it |
| 10:55.02 | nsadmin | , file bin/which |
| 10:55.06 | judd | bin/which in squeeze/i386: debianutils: bin/which, usr/bin/which |
| 10:55.31 | aminpy | cahoot, 0 - Front left |
| 10:55.36 | aminpy | 1 Fron right |
| 10:55.46 | nsadmin | so you'd want to reinstall debianutils |
| 10:55.58 | Posterdati | nsadmin: just reinstalled now |
| 10:55.59 | aminpy | cahoot, again and again I see it |
| 10:56.21 | aminpy | TCW, my sound doesn't work |
| 10:56.24 | Posterdati | nsadmin: done! It's working |
| 10:56.36 | themill | dpkg: tell Posterdati about debsums |
| 10:56.47 | Posterdati | nsadmin: I was playing with eldk, some script must have overwrite my /bin/which |
| 10:56.51 | themill | Posterdati: you might want to run debsums over that machine to check if anything else is a little funky |
| 10:56.53 | aminpy | it works hurray \o/ |
| 10:57.08 | aminpy | cahoot, thanks |
| 10:57.18 | TCW | aminpy, does it work now or not? |
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| 10:57.38 | amgarching | dpkg: tell amgarching about debsums |
| 10:58.18 | aminpy | TCW, now it works |
| 10:58.26 | aminpy | thanks |
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| 10:58.38 | aminpy | working* |
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| 10:59.42 | nsadmin | Posterdati, when you have the time... you might wish to run file /bin/* /usr/bin/* | grep arm |
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| 11:00.16 | nsadmin | and collect the results into a file and reinstall anything else that might have gotten overwritten |
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| 11:00.48 | nsadmin | if nothing comes out, you're probably good |
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| 11:00.57 | Posterdati | nsadmin: now! |
| 11:01.50 | nsadmin | you might also want to do /sbin/* /usr/sbin/* |
| 11:01.50 | Posterdati | nsadmin: empty |
| 11:01.59 | themill | nsadmin: or just use debsums... |
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| 11:02.14 | Posterdati | file /sbin/* /Usr/sbin/* | grep arm |
| 11:02.14 | Posterdati | /sbin/hdparm: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped |
| 11:02.29 | Posterdati | hdpARM |
| 11:02.38 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 11:02.40 | themill | Posterdati: "hdparm" contains "arm"; that's why using debsums is better than some half-arsed grep |
| 11:02.41 | Posterdati | nsadmin: seems no problem |
| 11:02.44 | nsadmin | seems you're good :) |
| 11:02.54 | Posterdati | nsadmin: thanks :) |
| 11:03.10 | nsadmin | just wanted to make sure... |
| 11:03.29 | nsadmin | in some safe read-only way |
| 11:03.35 | Posterdati | nsadmin: very strange that |
| 11:03.44 | Posterdati | nsadmin: I never run script as root |
| 11:04.00 | SandmanNet | Can I list other DHCP clients on the same lan from debian? |
| 11:04.10 | SandmanNet | Hmmm |
| 11:04.15 | nsadmin | if you're half-arsed, you can't turn the other cheek... |
| 11:05.10 | Posterdati | file /bin/lsmod |
| 11:05.10 | Posterdati | /bin/lsmod: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.3, stripped |
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| 11:06.04 | nsadmin | hmm, didn't we find all those... |
| 11:06.08 | nsadmin | let's see |
| 11:06.46 | Posterdati | modutils? |
| 11:07.01 | nsadmin | , file bin/lsmod |
| 11:07.03 | nsadmin | probably |
| 11:07.04 | judd | bin/lsmod in squeeze/i386: module-init-tools: bin/lsmod, sbin/lsmod |
| 11:07.26 | nsadmin | oh, no, they changed it |
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| 11:07.46 | themill | just use debsums... your grep failed because ARM is uppercase in the file output. |
| 11:08.07 | nsadmin | or grep -i |
| 11:08.13 | Guest63356 | hello everyone |
| 11:08.15 | themill | (the grep also isn't checking /usr/lib etc) |
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| 11:08.56 | nsadmin | true... I presumed it wouldn't be a huge issue since he says it mostly works |
| 11:09.13 | Guest63356 | . |
| 11:09.22 | Guest63356 | oops |
| 11:09.24 | themill | "mostly works", just unbootable. yay! |
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| 11:09.41 | nsadmin | I thought he did boot it |
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| 11:09.45 | Posterdati | , file killall5 |
| 11:09.48 | judd | killall5 in squeeze/i386: sysvinit-utils: sbin/killall5 |
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| 11:10.15 | Posterdati | file /bin/* /sbin/* /usr/bin/* /usr/sbin/* | grep ARM |
| 11:10.16 | Posterdati | /sbin/killall5: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.3, stripped |
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| 11:12.19 | tamiya | hi guys, i have a remote debian box that i would like to upgrade |
| 11:12.38 | tamiya | this is the result of cat /proc/version |
| 11:13.54 | Posterdati | nsadmin: I just rebooted |
| 11:15.04 | tamiya | Linux version 2.6.26-2-486 (Debian 2.6.26-24) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 Mon Jun 21 05:12:58 UTC 2010 |
| 11:15.21 | nsadmin | Posterdati, brave bold move :) |
| 11:15.27 | themill | tamiya: what are you trying to upgrade from and to? |
| 11:15.41 | tamiya | i would like to run a dist-upgrade, but every time I do that it tries to install the i686 version. my processor is only i486 |
| 11:15.57 | Posterdati | nsadmin: it was a power down due to electrical net failure |
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| 11:16.00 | tamiya | nsadmin: to whatever is the latest version of Debian |
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| 11:16.20 | themill | tamiya: you're wanting to upgrade from lenny to squeeze? this isn't just a "dist-upgrade", you should follow the release notes. |
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| 11:16.25 | themill | dpkg: tell tamiya about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:17.19 | nsadmin | a 486 was my first machine back when I was deciding which unix-alike to run... and linux was just coming onto the scene |
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| 11:17.46 | nsadmin | around the same time doom was coming out |
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| 11:18.20 | Posterdati | nsadmin: I use to install a gift version of scounix on a 486 machine |
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| 11:24.39 | hyper_ch | how can I make nfs server run as v3 or even v2? |
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| 11:29.08 | Posterdati | themill: running debsums right now |
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| 11:30.39 | Posterdati | nsadmin: God bless apt-get install --reinstall :) |
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| 11:38.00 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/581491/plain/ <- how can I fis this problem? |
| 11:38.34 | abrotman | aminpy: apt-get update first might help |
| 11:39.25 | aminpy | abrotman, I did it, but it doesn't work |
| 11:39.38 | aminpy | abrotman, I can install python-dev |
| 11:39.48 | aminpy | cant* |
| 11:39.56 | abrotman | aminpy: put your sources.list in a pastebin and `apt-cache policy python-dev python2.6-dev' |
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| 11:40.26 | aminpy | abrotman, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
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| 11:40.39 | abrotman | that's the only line ? |
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| 11:40.52 | aminpy | abrotman, yes |
| 11:41.03 | abrotman | you're missing the security updates for starters |
| 11:41.18 | wols | aminpy: then your debian installatin is utterly broken and I actually don't believe you ever installed debian |
| 11:41.19 | aminpy | abrotman, is this my problem?! |
| 11:41.20 | abrotman | aminpy: add in "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main' |
| 11:41.34 | abrotman | aminpy: that might be part of it .. that's why i asked for things to be pasted |
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| 11:42.43 | aminpy | abrotman, I adde that line and I ran apt-get update |
| 11:42.55 | aminpy | abrotman, but I can't install python-dev yet |
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| 11:43.50 | abrotman | aminpy: put your sources.list in a pastebin and `apt-cache policy python-dev python2.6-dev' |
| 11:44.06 | aminpy | ok |
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| 11:45.04 | aminpy | abrotman, http://dpaste.com/581493/plain/ |
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| 11:45.31 | aminpy | abrotman, and do I run apt-cache poli ... <- command? |
| 11:45.46 | abrotman | it's a CLI command, you run it in an xterm or something |
| 11:45.51 | abrotman | or terminal |
| 11:46.42 | aminpy | abrotman, http://dpaste.com/581496/plain/ |
| 11:47.32 | abrotman | judd: versions python2.6-dev |
| 11:47.32 | judd | Package python2.6-dev on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; sid: 2.6.7-3; wheezy: 2.6.7-3 |
| 11:47.56 | abrotman | judd: versions python-dev |
| 11:47.57 | judd | Package python-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze6; wheezy: 2.6.7-1; sid: 2.6.7-2; experimental: 2.7.2-4 |
| 11:48.17 | abrotman | aminpy: what if you `aptitude update; aptitude install python-dev' ? |
| 11:49.32 | abrotman | aminpy: wait .. hold on |
| 11:49.45 | abrotman | aminpy: apt-get update; apt-get full-upgrade;apt-get install python-dev |
| 11:49.46 | aminpy | abrotman, http://dpaste.com/581498/ |
| 11:50.19 | aminpy | abrotman, do I cancel aptitude install python-dev? |
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| 11:51.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:52.02 | aminpy | root@debian:/home/aminpy# apt-get full-upgrade |
| 11:52.03 | aminpy | E: Invalid operation full-upgrade |
| 11:52.07 | aminpy | abrotman, ^ |
| 11:52.27 | abrotman | dist-upgrade |
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| 11:56.09 | aminpy | abrotman, dist-upgrade command finished |
| 11:56.22 | dokma | hey guyz anyone knows good email notifier available through apt for pop3 ? |
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| 11:56.35 | aminpy | abrotman, but when I run apt-get install python-dev, I have that problem again |
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| 11:57.31 | abrotman | aminpy: did the dist-upgrade install anything ? |
| 11:57.32 | optraz | i have only 1 ip address, but i have a few computers. if i want to map a few hostname to a few computers in that subnets, what is the way to do it? for example www.foo.com to pc-A and www.baz.co to pc-B |
| 11:57.42 | aminpy | abrotman, yes |
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| 11:58.02 | streuner__ | dokma: for a simple desktop? |
| 11:58.13 | dokma | I use kde |
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| 11:58.41 | abrotman | aminpy: if you run the dist-upgrade again .. any more packages? |
| 11:58.42 | aminpy | abrotman, apt-get upgraded security packages |
| 11:58.43 | streuner | dokma: well, i use gkrellm for GNOME |
| 11:59.02 | dokma | streuner: hmmm... I use gkrellm too but never noticed it has an email notifier |
| 11:59.06 | aminpy | abrotman, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed , 0 ... |
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| 11:59.33 | abrotman | aminpy: and that's with both of those sources active in your sources.list ? |
| 11:59.36 | aLgEBrA | l |
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| 11:59.56 | aminpy | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 11:59.57 | aminpy | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 11:59.59 | aminpy | abrotman, ^ |
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| 12:00.54 | themill | aminpy: did you previously have "testing" or "wheezy" (or sid or unstable) in your sources.list? |
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| 12:01.14 | aminpy | themill, yes I had wheezy/sid |
| 12:01.14 | Austray | mmm jerk gay cum up some fat girls puckered @-hole |
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| 12:01.27 | aminpy | themill, and I upgraded it |
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| 12:01.52 | themill | aminpy: I think that resolves the question of how you got the box into this state... |
| 12:02.17 | themill | !not available |
| 12:02.17 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 12:02.26 | themill | aminpy: ^^ can you run that command and pastebin the results? |
| 12:02.35 | aminpy | sure 28 |
| 12:02.37 | aminpy | w8* |
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| 12:03.24 | themill | aminpy: ^^ can you run that command and pastebin the results? |
| 12:03.28 | themill | gah |
| 12:03.34 | abrotman | up arrow fail! |
| 12:03.38 | themill | quite |
| 12:03.50 | aminpy | themill, http://dpaste.com/581505/plain/ |
| 12:04.11 | abrotman | run away! |
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| 12:04.44 | themill | oh my |
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| 12:05.33 | aminpy | :-ss |
| 12:05.46 | themill | aminpy: how attached to this system are you? You have two simple choices at this stage... reinstall squeeze from a backup or upgrade to wheezy and live with the consequences. I can't imagine that it's going to be feasible to downgrade all that. |
| 12:06.14 | thomasfedb | Hi, are there deb's of the ZFS kernel module available for debian? (Not the GNU/kFreeBSD port) |
| 12:06.52 | themill | ,info zfs-fuse |
| 12:06.53 | judd | Package zfs-fuse (otherosfs, optional) in squeeze/i386: ZFS on FUSE. Version: 0.6.9-1; Size: 1364.3k; Installed: 3716k; Homepage: http://zfs-fuse.net |
| 12:07.03 | aminpy | themill, is upgrade to wheezy better solution? |
| 12:07.47 | themill | aminpy: only if you are prepared to work with a system that's a moving target. Personally, I use stable on all my machines as I want to work with my computer not work on it all the time |
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| 12:08.33 | abrotman | changes themill's sources to point at squeezy .. some half squeeze/wheezy distro |
| 12:08.45 | themill | egads |
| 12:08.56 | dokma | streuner: I've setup gkrellm to check my email but it shows all the mail in the inbox as unread while in actuallity there is only 1 unread email |
| 12:09.04 | dokma | streuner: do you know how to reset this ? |
| 12:09.42 | aminpy | themill, is it possible downgrade to squeeze? |
| 12:10.04 | aminpy | :( |
| 12:10.09 | abrotman | aminpy: you can try to use aptitude to do it .. but it may be messy |
| 12:10.11 | themill | aminpy: "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" With a list of packages that long, I doubt it's going to be possible. |
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| 12:10.42 | themill | it might be... it might even be an interesting learning exercise... |
| 12:10.59 | themill | (you will at least learn "don't do that again") |
| 12:11.03 | optraz | i have only 1 ip address, but i have a few computers. if i want to map a few hostname to a few computers in that subnets, what is the way to do it? for example www.foo.com to pc-A and www.baz.co to pc-B |
| 12:11.11 | aminpy | =)) |
| 12:12.50 | Bushmills | optraz: if you have several computers, you need more than one ip addresses |
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| 12:14.18 | optraz | Bushmills: okay, nothing can be done to share that single ip? |
| 12:14.36 | Bushmills | you won't be able to reach the other computers |
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| 12:14.59 | abrotman | if they provided different services maybe |
| 12:15.15 | Bushmills | not if they all have the same ip address |
| 12:15.37 | Daviey | well pc-A could hold the IP address, and reverse proxy to pc-B for a vhost. |
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| 12:16.04 | optraz | Daviey: reverse proxy? |
| 12:16.05 | abrotman | Bushmills: you could use iptables to redirect individual ports to certain internal machines .. |
| 12:16.10 | Bushmills | pc-B will have to have a different address than pc-A |
| 12:16.26 | abrotman | Bushmills: i didn't say it was a good idea though :) |
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| 12:17.29 | Bushmills | it could be that optraz means that they all have different ip addresses, and he has only one public address, but that'd be assuming too much |
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| 12:17.56 | Bushmills | because he clearly said that he has only one ip address |
| 12:18.15 | optraz | Bushmills: yes, i have only *one* public ip address. |
| 12:18.41 | Bushmills | your machine on the LAN have different addresses? |
| 12:18.52 | Bushmills | interfaces, actually. not machines |
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| 12:18.58 | themill | optraz: it would help if you could say what sorts of things you were wanting to do. Is it just serve http content? or is it lots of other things too? |
| 12:19.20 | optraz | Bushmills: the machine(o.s.) are install in virtualmachine |
| 12:19.32 | optraz | Bushmills: so yes, they are having their own virtual network card too |
| 12:19.44 | thomasfedb | themill, zfs-fuse is the userspace zfs implementation. is the support for the kernel space version? |
| 12:19.44 | optraz | themill: yes, just http and https |
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| 12:20.14 | Bushmills | optraz: you can't solve that using dns alone. you need the services to cooperate. |
| 12:20.21 | themill | thomasfedb: nfc |
| 12:20.36 | thomasfedb | themill, ok, thanks. |
| 12:20.39 | Bushmills | in case of www, run a server on your public machine, and proxy to internal machine according request name |
| 12:20.43 | themill | optraz: you don't actually need separate VMs to do that, btw. |
| 12:20.54 | thomasfedb | themill, just not feeling like compiling the module that keep my data cozy myself.... |
| 12:21.20 | themill | thomasfedb: /msg dpkg things to backup |
| 12:21.27 | Bushmills | i.e. treat them like other VirtualHosts on one single web server. but set them up to grab their content from another box |
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| 12:22.05 | qwertz1525 | Hi, having problems with my network cards (Intel 82546GB - e1000 module) on a server. although the module is loaded, cable is plugged in (on both sides) mii-tool shows "no link" dmesg says "link is not ready" althoug the network led on the server and the switch is on. cable has been changed already - any furhter suggestions what I could do? |
| 12:22.15 | qwertz1525 | using debain stable|testing |
| 12:22.17 | optraz | themill: why is that? |
| 12:23.01 | abrotman | qwertz1525: what the hell is stable/testing? |
| 12:23.03 | optraz | Bushmills: the server which is the vm host having the public ip address and when the http and https request coming in , proxy to internal machine request name? is that what are you explaning? |
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| 12:23.51 | Bushmills | yes. read about ProxyPass in apache docs, if apache is the server you use, set up multiple host names to the same ip address in your name servers |
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| 12:24.09 | optraz | hmm Bushmills alright. |
| 12:24.43 | Guest63774 | i installed debian, and i can log in fine, but when i plug in ethernet cable i don't get anything....i don't see any network settings option, no synaptic package manager |
| 12:24.57 | dobalina | can anyone recommend the most secure email server available through debian packages? |
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| 12:25.21 | abrotman | dobalina: they can all be made insecure :) |
| 12:25.32 | Rienzilla | securitywise most major mta's are fine, as long as they're comnfigured corectly |
| 12:25.33 | dobalina | i know but which one has the best track record so to speak ;) |
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| 12:25.36 | Bushmills | Guest63774: what did you try or run or look at, to see any network settings? |
| 12:25.45 | qwertz1525 | abrotman: stable or testing |
| 12:25.52 | dobalina | is it exim the most popular for deb? |
| 12:25.56 | Rienzilla | i'd recommend debian's default, exim. |
| 12:26.02 | dobalina | right |
| 12:26.11 | abrotman | dobalina: sadly, qmail probably has the best track record .. but it's not admin friendly :) ... I normally choose postfix myself |
| 12:26.15 | Rienzilla | but postfix is fine as well really I think |
| 12:26.16 | Guest63774 | there is no network settings option in the panel like mint, ubuntu has....nothing under applications, system, etc.... |
| 12:26.18 | ksk | hey |
| 12:26.43 | ksk | any idea why "aptitude install less/lenny" does not, but "aptitude install less/oldstable" does work? |
| 12:26.59 | ksk | id rather like to use the names instead of stable/oldstable etc |
| 12:27.08 | nsadmin | look at your sources.list |
| 12:27.24 | ksk | does not work is "Unable to find an archive "lenny" for the package "less" |
| 12:27.25 | ksk | " |
| 12:27.30 | aminpy | for upgrade from sqeeze to wheezy, should I use this line -> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian wheezy main ? |
| 12:28.09 | abrotman | are you in the US? |
| 12:28.17 | aminpy | abrotman, no |
| 12:28.18 | chenthu | Guys is it possible for me to use gnome 3 on Debian? |
| 12:28.27 | Guest63774 | under places there is an option "network" but when i click on "Windows Network" it says "unable to mount location - failed to retrieve share list from server" |
| 12:28.34 | abrotman | aminpy: probably pick one geographically closer to you if you can |
| 12:28.39 | abrotman | chenthu: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 12:28.42 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 12:28.42 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 12:28.48 | Bushmills | Guest63774: ^^^ |
| 12:28.54 | chenthu | abrot,an: thank you |
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| 12:29.17 | Guest63774 | so i just type ifup -a in terminal? |
| 12:29.25 | abrotman | aminpy: though i don't think there are many middle east mirrors .. unfortunately .. there are a few in India if that might be better |
| 12:29.51 | ksk | nsadmin: any more specific hint? i took a look at my sources.list... ;) |
| 12:30.01 | themill | ksk: btw what you are trying to do is mixing releases... that's not a good plan. |
| 12:30.07 | Bushmills | Guest63774: is your question about configuring/setting up your network/network interface, or about starting a configured network card? |
| 12:30.10 | nsadmin | does it show oldstable and not lenny? |
| 12:30.18 | abrotman | wants a mirror map ... |
| 12:30.25 | ksk | nah, i use "lenny" in it |
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| 12:31.31 | nsadmin | hmm, so that doesn't explain why you're experiencing this |
| 12:31.41 | Guest63774 | i am trying to connect to the internet |
| 12:31.50 | Bushmills | then configure your network card |
| 12:31.56 | Guest63774 | i typed ifup -a in terminal and it just said command not found |
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| 12:32.50 | nsadmin | Guest63774 are you root? |
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| 12:33.40 | Guest63774 | sorry, no. should i do ifup -a again as root? |
| 12:34.10 | nsadmin | look at your $PATH as who you tried the command as |
| 12:34.10 | ksk | non-root cannot do it |
| 12:34.23 | nsadmin | then look at your $PATH as root |
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| 12:35.08 | Guest63774 | i just looked under /etc/network/interfaces and it pulls up a gedit file with only a couple lines |
| 12:35.19 | themill | abrotman: make it so! Shouldn't be too hard... |
| 12:35.32 | chenthu | Guys if i want to install uthe latest debian 64bit...using a biitable USB which one should i download ? |
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| 12:36.04 | abrotman | themill: I think the problem is the mirror list isn't 'machine processable' .. or some crap |
| 12:36.33 | abrotman | themill: actually, I wouldn't need the actual mirrors, just the mirror list |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | erm .. country list |
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| 12:37.20 | Guest63774 | when i typed ifup -a as root it didn't seem to do anything |
| 12:37.32 | Bushmills | Guest63774: you're on the right track. continue :) |
| 12:37.32 | abrotman | wonders where that list comes from though |
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| 12:39.04 | nsadmin | what would I install for kde that's the display part of network manager? |
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| 12:40.12 | abrotman | network-manager-kde ? |
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| 12:42.58 | themill | abrotman: wget -q -O- ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | sed -nr 's/^([a-z]*\.[^[:space:]]*)[[:space:]].*/\1/p' | xargs -n1 geoiplookup -f /usr/share/GeoIP/GeoLiteCity.dat |
| 12:43.30 | abrotman | themill: i meant more .. is there a better place to pull that data from |
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| 12:44.11 | abrotman | and i was just going to use the GB etc codes to highlight countries on a map, and then have it link to an anchor on the html page |
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| 12:44.13 | themill | nfc. That's good enough for me though... (it wouldn't handle geo-ip or round-robin services obviously) |
| 12:45.26 | abrotman | let me look .. i have to install the geoip-bin thing |
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| 12:47.29 | Viliny | whats the proper way of restarting networking? |
| 12:47.58 | nsadmin | , versions network-manager-kde |
| 12:47.59 | judd | Package network-manager-kde on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.2.2-2; squeeze: 1:0.9~svn1141976-1; squeeze-backports: 1:0.9+git20110422.810bc16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:0.9+git20110526.911025d-1; sid: 1:0.9+git20110727.96f5505-1 |
| 12:48.35 | Viliny | is that for me? |
| 12:48.45 | nsadmin | do you want it? |
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| 12:49.09 | Viliny | well, has nothing to do with my question so i can manage without. |
| 12:49.15 | nsadmin | it's not relevent to restarting the net |
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| 12:50.10 | nsadmin | you should find a file networking in /etc/init.d |
| 12:50.28 | nsadmin | you'd have to do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:50.30 | nsadmin | as root |
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| 12:51.31 | nsadmin | can't do that kind of thing as a user, because unix considers netowrking to be a shared resource (like one printer for all the users) and so plain users are not permitted to change things about it |
| 12:51.40 | Viliny | it tells me that it's depreciated doing it that way |
| 12:51.50 | Viliny | is why im asking |
| 12:52.07 | nsadmin | in favor of what? |
| 12:52.09 | Viliny | and doesn't seem to actually do it properly with that |
| 12:52.16 | Viliny | yeah, thats my question |
| 12:53.15 | nsadmin | then /etc/network/interfaces might be un/misconfigured |
| 12:53.22 | Viliny | "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces .... (warning). |
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| 12:53.52 | nsadmin | is your networking for that machine wired and static? |
| 12:54.31 | Viliny | it's currently wired to our company network |
| 12:54.39 | Viliny | using a dhcp |
| 12:55.05 | nsadmin | ok, is that indicated in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:55.08 | Viliny | still, if it's deprecated then fine, but does anybody know what the new cool way of doing it is? |
| 12:55.47 | Viliny | is what indicated? |
| 12:56.10 | nsadmin | do you have something like iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 12:56.24 | Viliny | i have the standard eth0 and loopback and the network is working, but i had to reboot the machine in order for it to play along instead of just restarting the network, so im asking for the proper way of doing just that |
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| 12:57.06 | Bushmills | Viliny: ifup -a or ifup eth0 |
| 12:57.11 | themill | Viliny: there's no way of just "restarting" networking because there's no good definition of what that means. You should explicitly do whatever it is that you want to do. |
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| 12:59.28 | Viliny | this can't seriously be this difficult |
| 12:59.56 | Viliny | the terminal is telling me the way everyone i know including me have been doing something is deprecated, whats the goddamn new way of doing it? |
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| 13:00.55 | Viliny | i understand that it's not a binary thing to restart networking but the idea is pretty clear |
| 13:01.00 | Viliny | and this is a pretty basic thing |
| 13:01.01 | nsadmin | well if you have just lo and eth0 you would restart each by doing ifdown eth0 (say) and ifup eth0 |
| 13:01.15 | nsadmin | and the same for lo |
| 13:01.31 | Viliny | ah, well okay then |
| 13:01.33 | Viliny | thank you |
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| 13:03.52 | nsadmin | themill is speaking to all the different possibilities of what kinds of networking you can possibly have... and looking at it all as one entity to restart, is not always well defined |
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| 13:05.09 | nsadmin | it's when you look at the general case that what to do in what case becomes fuzzy and unspecifyable in the general case |
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| 13:05.38 | Viliny | im sorry, i haven't slept very well in a week and am a tad bir irritated trying to get my server to work here at the moment. I thought the thing i was asking was a pretty mainstream thing and that one could have had an answer for my question without going in too deep in what kind of different networks one might have or what restarting actually means and so forth. |
| 13:06.31 | nsadmin | it used to be straight forward when there was only wired connections and no nm |
| 13:07.13 | aef | i built a debian installer for squeeze with a preseed file to enable me to install debian on a headless remote server. i only copied the linux image and the initram image over to the server and booted it with grub. now when i connect via ssh and start the installer, after a few steps the installer complains about missing kernel modules and asks if i want to continue installing. when i choose to do so i end up with the partitioner not finding any |
| 13:07.14 | aef | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.19 | Viliny | speaking of which, the icon top right with the other applets that gives me ability to control networking and so forth disappeared on me |
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| 13:08.08 | nsadmin | aef, maybe the kernel didn't find any |
| 13:08.26 | aef | nsadmin: but shouldn't they be inside the initram image? |
| 13:08.38 | aef | nsadmin: the installer is inside the image |
| 13:08.48 | nsadmin | "they" meaning your hd? |
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| 13:09.02 | aef | nsadmin: they meaning the kernel modules |
| 13:09.18 | nsadmin | so I wans't clear: I meant "maybe the installer kernel didn't find any drives" |
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| 13:10.14 | aef | previously a ubuntu was installed on the system and worked well. also the kernel and the initram themselves are located on the device which is now claimed not to be detected |
| 13:11.01 | aef | nsadmin: i think something is wrong with my built installer. otherwise it wouldn't warn me that there are kernel modules missing |
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| 13:12.13 | nsadmin | well let's see if it's one of the mundaneish cases... what kind of communication do the drives talk over? |
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| 13:12.45 | aef | nsadmin: i have no idea. no hardware access. its a godaddy root server |
| 13:13.13 | nsadmin | oh, so you can't (say) open the case and look inside |
| 13:13.30 | aef | nsadmin: i'm in germany. the server in the US |
| 13:13.36 | Viliny | is there a nifty program like top but for networking that shows you how much traffick a certain process is using? |
| 13:13.54 | nsadmin | maybe ntop |
| 13:13.58 | nsadmin | ntop |
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| 13:14.14 | Viliny | thaaats it, and iotop for disk writing |
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| 13:15.42 | nsadmin | ok, so godaddy and ubuntu must have had some communication to let that happen... it looks like you need to know how godaddy servers get mounts |
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| 13:17.04 | abrotman | Viliny: jnettop iftop .. ntop won't really do what you're asking |
| 13:17.05 | aef | nsadmin: it is a hardware machine and should have 2 300GiB harddrives |
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| 13:17.19 | nsadmin | what kind of hds? |
| 13:17.32 | nsadmin | scsi? pata? sata? sas? |
| 13:17.34 | aef | probably SATA |
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| 13:18.31 | Viliny | thanks abrotman, got the realization of what nettop was again trying to run it |
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| 13:19.04 | nsadmin | ok, that had been an issue in the past, especially when new hardware came around and new kernels had the drivers |
| 13:19.20 | nsadmin | can you look at dmesg? |
| 13:19.47 | nsadmin | can you ask godaddy to tell you what hardware is in the machine? |
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| 13:21.06 | aef | nsadmin: i can see dmesg, i see a SATA controller on PCI and am currently not able to reach their support |
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| 13:22.32 | tomfmason | does "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary" simply a partitioning error or could it be hardware related? |
| 13:22.52 | nsadmin | aef, hmm, the drives should just show up |
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| 13:22.59 | tomfmason | s/does/is |
| 13:23.14 | nsadmin | tomfmason, not hardware, partitioning |
| 13:23.28 | nsadmin | fdisk likes units of cylenders |
| 13:23.36 | tomfmason | nsadmin: that is what I thought |
| 13:24.48 | tomfmason | my hosting company has been full of minor failures like that. First I asked for 64 bit debian and they gave me 32bit, then I requested LVM but didn't get it and now I see that |
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| 13:24.54 | aef | nsadmin: http://pastie.org/private/gjibuwg8inryeorqlkmw |
| 13:25.04 | aef | nsadmin: maybe you see something interesting |
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| 13:25.21 | EvilRoey | hi, how do I enable a user to execute a command with root privileges (it's a script and I need to mount a fuse volume as a service account) |
| 13:25.26 | EvilRoey | besides sudo |
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| 13:26.05 | nsadmin | could you also look at your paste and tell me what line to start at to see the sata driver load? |
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| 13:26.22 | tomfmason | nsadmin: could that error cause slow IO? |
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| 13:26.46 | nsadmin | tomfmason, I suppose it's vaguely possible |
| 13:26.59 | nsadmin | I don't know much about that connection |
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| 13:27.43 | aef | nsadmin: well i dont see a sata driver starting up there |
| 13:27.58 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 13:28.25 | aef | nsadmin: but i see the kernel argument contains a path to /dev/sda3 |
| 13:29.07 | aef | shouldn't that already need the sata driver to even work? |
| 13:29.34 | tomfmason | so how would you guys fix that? is it as simple as unmounting the boot partition and resize it? |
| 13:29.46 | nsadmin | not sure |
| 13:29.50 | humbolt | has anybody ever converted an ec2 image to a locally running xen domU? |
| 13:29.53 | aef | nsadmin: but again: the installer warns me on startup that modules are missing and its probably going to fail, long before it tries to access the disks |
| 13:30.26 | aef | nsadmin: but i have no idea to how to build the installer better |
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| 13:30.47 | humbolt | I mean, any of you ... I am sure somebody has done it somewhere in the world. |
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| 13:31.01 | kripz_ | Can i use 4GB+ RAM with Debian 32bit + kernel with PAE, AMD x4 640 and Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P Mainboard? |
| 13:31.18 | nsadmin | what if you put the ubuntu back, then get debian using debootstrap |
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| 13:32.12 | tomfmason | humbolt: I had a friend that did it the other way xen->ec2 but that was basically just a full system migration |
| 13:32.54 | humbolt | tomfmason: that is what I am trying to do. but something strange seems to be going on |
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| 13:33.58 | humbolt | tomfmason: ssh freezes periodically with a very short periode |
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| 13:40.11 | Bushmills | ssh to LAN machine or in internet? |
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| 13:43.13 | HeXiLeD | what is the right package for zlib ? http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/zlib i cant find some of those listed |
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| 13:44.11 | phaedral | trying to config mutt; can do imap/imaps for reading, but can't seem to send; it's a lenny install |
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| 13:45.09 | mrfoobar | does squeeze have support for f71862fg watchdog? |
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| 13:46.43 | nsadmin | phaedral, do you want to upgrade your system to squeeze? |
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| 13:47.47 | phaedral | stupid fingers this morning; I'm on squeeze, by way of crunchbang-statler |
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| 13:49.24 | nsadmin | mutt would use your installed MTA to send... at least by default |
| 13:49.50 | phaedral | /usr/sbin/sendmail is what :set ?sendmail shows, and is in the results for whereis sendmail |
| 13:49.59 | wols | !crunchbang |
| 13:50.00 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 13:50.02 | phaedral | but nothing I try sending ever seems to get anywhere |
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| 13:50.39 | nsadmin | try installing mailx and use that to send a test email... does that do the same thing? |
| 13:50.50 | phaedral | nsadmin: thx; will do |
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| 13:52.32 | debianization | hello, could somebody recommend a good tablet that can run Debian well? |
| 13:52.56 | nsadmin | this would be a test, it is meant to locate the problem. if you find mailx doing the same thing, then it |
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| 13:53.38 | nsadmin | is very likely that your mta is not sending the mails for some reason |
| 13:53.40 | maligor | debianization, debian isn't really designed for it, do you have some specific WM/DE/GUI in mind? |
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| 13:54.02 | debianization | maligor: not really |
| 13:54.14 | maligor | the exopc is probably easiest tablet to work with, but it's insanely heavy |
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| 13:54.53 | phaedral | apt-get tells me mailx is in three packages and to pick on explicitly: mailutils 1:2.1, heirloom-mailx 12.4-2, bsd-mailx 8.1.2-0 |
| 13:55.06 | phaedral | I'm guessing I should go with mailutils? |
| 13:55.17 | maligor | there's a version of it called 'WeTab', but I don't know how similar it is, but it has a pretty standard bios+x86 |
| 13:55.29 | debianization | maligor: ok i'll do a web search |
| 13:55.32 | maligor | that is, the exopc has a bios+x86, I'm not sure about wetab |
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| 13:56.04 | maligor | it's more or less a reference design rather than a product tho |
| 13:56.51 | wols | phaedral: you should ask another channel since you don't run debian |
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| 13:57.16 | phaedral | belay that; looks like heirloom-mailx is already installed |
| 13:57.32 | nsadmin | so then you should have the command mail |
| 13:57.36 | b0gatyr | morning, if I have a volume mounted and would like to find out when and how much data was last placed in that volume any easy way of doing this in a debian box? |
| 13:57.56 | maligor | debianization, also be warned, I haven't used debian on it, just MeeGo |
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| 13:58.07 | wols | b0gatyr: there are no such logs |
| 13:58.56 | debianization | maligor: thanks for the help |
| 13:58.59 | phaedral | nsadmin: thx; will man mail and go from there |
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| 14:01.26 | nsadmin | phaedral, if also mail won't send, it's probably your MTA, if it does, it |
| 14:01.42 | nsadmin | is probably mutt config |
| 14:02.19 | phaedral | no luck w/ mail command either |
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| 14:02.41 | nsadmin | ok, so it's probably your MTA |
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| 14:03.57 | phaedral | will try switching to exim later; appreciate the pointers |
| 14:04.21 | nsadmin | that should probably make both mail and mutt able to send |
| 14:05.14 | Bushmills | b0gatyr: some file systems allow you to view that information. log structured files systems, commonly |
| 14:05.36 | astro5 | ok, finally got connected to internet, but now how do i get synaptic package manager? i tried apt-get install synaptic, aptitude install synaptic...nothing is working |
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| 14:06.20 | th0r | astro5: you have to be root or use sudo to use apt-get |
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| 14:06.25 | astro5 | i am root |
| 14:06.43 | th0r | astro5: then apt-get install synaptic should work |
| 14:07.03 | astro5 | apt-get install synaptic says: no candidate version found for synaptic |
| 14:07.10 | Bushmills | astro5: make sure your sources.list contain mirrors |
| 14:07.19 | astro5 | how do i do that? |
| 14:07.28 | Bushmills | by looking at the file contents? |
| 14:07.38 | Bushmills | !sources |
| 14:07.38 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 14:09.28 | astro5 | sources.list has 4 options with "#" in front...should i remove the "#" from all 4? |
| 14:09.29 | b0gatyr | Bushmills: du --time is a good way to start =) |
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| 14:11.57 | Bushmills | ah, well, i though something different than "look at all files/dirs, and sort them according modification date" - something more efficient |
| 14:12.08 | Bushmills | thought |
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| 14:15.01 | Logi | Very off-topic, but I was talking to someone in a private chat yesterday who is from Finland, has an X220 and was coming to Iceland today to go on a hike tomorrow. Any bells? |
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| 14:15.48 | Logi | I wanted to warn him, that the weather forecast for his proposed route is very bad, but I have no way to contact him. |
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| 14:16.58 | Logi | is pretty sure this is hopeless and trusts that the guy will talk to locals before setting out |
| 14:17.22 | slatu | Hello |
| 14:18.10 | twobitsprite | does logrotate have any logging? :P |
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| 14:19.22 | nsadmin | does not have a bell... but, do you teach yoga? |
| 14:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: What are you actually looking for? |
| 14:19.46 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: it doesn't seem like one of my logrotate scripts ran |
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| 14:20.26 | twobitsprite | ls |
| 14:20.29 | twobitsprite | arg... |
| 14:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: You can add logging to the script. logrotate itself does not explicitly log steps. |
| 14:20.48 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I figured as much... thanks |
| 14:22.20 | nsadmin | if you do teach yoga... you'd be Logi the yogi! |
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| 14:23.01 | nsadmin | !ops CTCP VERSION from beerbro (to #debian) |
| 14:23.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: CTCP VERSION from beerbro (to #debian) |
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| 14:24.22 | nsadmin | if I wanted you to know my version I'd tell you. |
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| 14:25.18 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Chill, it's a built-in function of IRC. Freenode does routine queries all the time. |
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| 14:25.55 | jhutchins_lt | Sheesh, really? Banned for a version request? |
| 14:26.06 | chenthu | Bushmills: dude....got a problem while installing |
| 14:26.19 | phix | hi |
| 14:26.32 | nsadmin | it does match the pattern "join, don't speak, do mass something" |
| 14:26.43 | nsadmin | that's not a ban |
| 14:26.43 | chenthu | Bushmills: it says it cant detect my CD drive.... i am installing from USB |
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| 14:27.33 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, freenode says it's going to do it |
| 14:27.53 | chenthu | guys some one please help me with debian install...downloaded the amd 64 bit image and using USB to install....it says cant detect my cdrom when i choose detect and mount cdrom |
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| 14:28.56 | nsadmin | chenthu, but you don't need the cdrom to install, right? |
| 14:29.45 | chenthu | nsadmin: yeah i dont need the cdrom to install |
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| 14:30.05 | nsadmin | maybe installing a different kernel later would help, or maybe the kernel it does install would work on reboot |
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| 14:30.58 | EvilRoey | hey why do I get this? ssh-add .ssh/id_dsa |
| 14:30.58 | EvilRoey | Could not open a connection to your authentication agent |
| 14:31.00 | chenthu | nsadmin: cant install the kernel in first place |
| 14:31.05 | nsadmin | it would be nice to have a network, and it's essential to see the drives |
| 14:31.25 | nsadmin | wny not? |
| 14:31.42 | Justin | chenthu: how did you create the usb drive? what filename did you download? how did you put it on the drive? |
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| 14:31.50 | chenthu | nsadmin: detecting and mounting the cdrom is the first step in installing anything |
| 14:32.40 | nsadmin | see what happens if you get around needing that step |
| 14:32.42 | chenthu | Justin: I downloaded the cd1 image using utorrent and created the bootable drive using unetbootin..... |
| 14:33.00 | wols | !unetbootin |
| 14:33.01 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
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| 14:33.19 | wols | wasn't there a mention how unetbootin messes debian installers up? |
| 14:33.35 | wols | chenthu: downloaded and made the usb stick under which OS? |
| 14:34.02 | dxrt | I just installed debian using unetbootin just 15 minutes ago, no probems for me. |
| 14:34.08 | wols | !tell chenthu about usb install |
| 14:34.13 | chenthu | nsadmin: no other step...afte this i can either stop installer or save debugs or login shell |
| 14:34.14 | nsadmin | if he has cd1 and he goes with installing normally, "the simple way" to prepare the drive will not work because the image is too large |
| 14:34.27 | wols | dxrt: but people often have truble with it. usually with the detecting cdrom part then |
| 14:34.42 | chenthu | wols : is it ?...unetbooting... a problem?...and i installed from windows 7 |
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| 14:53.32 | x42 | justin: should i up route add -net 213.133.110.224 netmask 255.255.255.224 gw 213.133.110.225 eth0 > up route add -net 213.133.110.224 netmask 255.255.255.225 gw 213.133.110.225 eth0 |
| 14:53.50 | x42 | changing the netmask of the default route? |
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| 15:07.37 | anoob | do you have an Intel HD 3000 Graphics? I want to know if it works without extra configuration ... something like plug and play :) |
| 15:08.28 | colo-work | I have an HD 2000, and it does work ootb if your driver/drm/xorg stack is up-to-date enough. |
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| 15:13.30 | x42 | justin can you help me? |
| 15:13.37 | aminpy_ | can anybody give wheezy iso image download link? |
| 15:13.41 | aminpy_ | give me* |
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| 15:14.38 | Djehuty-X | aminpy_: Debian's website. |
| 15:14.47 | psilikon | What is the best filesystem to use when millions of files under 10MB will be stored and need to be copied, moved, deleted etc? |
| 15:15.05 | aminpy_ | Djehuty-X, I can't find it! |
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| 15:15.27 | Djehuty-X | aminpy_: It's under Testing. |
| 15:15.37 | Jiyuusenshi | aminpy_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 15:16.11 | Jiyuusenshi | but i would use jigdo instead of http/ftp |
| 15:17.00 | aminpy_ | should I use debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso? |
| 15:17.13 | aminpy_ | here is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... |
| 15:17.28 | aminpy_ | which number is correct? |
| 15:17.39 | anoob | colo-work, thanks. does intel develop open sources graphic drivers? |
| 15:17.40 | Jiyuusenshi | oh man, are you sure you want testing? |
| 15:17.40 | f8l | aminpy_: The first one is usually enough. |
| 15:17.40 | wols | aminpy_: to install? cd-1 |
| 15:18.11 | wols | aminpy_: listen to Jiyuusenshi. you do not want to run testing and you definitely don't want to install with a testing installer. ever |
| 15:18.34 | crodjer | I installed debian testing, through the testing net installer. The system the installer setup was without graphics environment, but I installed gnome environment, so thats fine now. But I am having problems with the terminal colors (no xterm-256colors or screen-256colors available). Also some applications (root apps, gnome-terminal) are now following the theme I am using. |
| 15:18.52 | crodjer | s/are now/are not/ |
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| 15:19.09 | crodjer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:20.05 | wols | crodjer: install stable and dist-upgrade |
| 15:20.12 | wols | a bare minimal stable |
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| 15:20.35 | jhutchins_lt | crodjer: As the installer usually lags changes in testing, it's usually best to just install stable and "upgrade". |
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| 15:20.57 | jhutchins_lt | crodjer: The main reason for using the testing installer is the same as using testing in the first place: to test it and find where the broken bits are. |
| 15:21.07 | crodjer | wols, jhutchins_lt: k |
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| 15:21.39 | crodjer | I used the testing installer twise and selected the install gfx environ both times. Still it didn't install it |
| 15:21.40 | Djehuty-X | Is unstable more like roll-release? |
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| 15:21.52 | colo-work | anoob, yes of course. |
| 15:21.53 | crodjer | Is that intended or accidental? |
| 15:21.59 | LoRez | hey sparkfun, when'll you be carrying these? http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/29/xbee-grows-up-delivers-wifi-to-diyers-and-arduino-enthusiasts/ |
| 15:22.02 | colo-work | they are free software even ;) |
| 15:22.08 | Mark22 | Hello, is there somewhere a list I didn't see that contains all "open" issues before current testing can be released as stable? |
| 15:22.23 | anoob | colo-work, thanks. do you play games with this card? |
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| 15:23.13 | wols | anoob: which debian do you run? |
| 15:23.26 | anoob | sid wols |
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| 15:24.09 | colo-work | anoob, I have had my system for the last two days only yet, so no, not yet. I occasionally played Urban Terror (a Q3 engine game) on my old machine, which had Intel IGP as well. It was playable, but not stellar - if that's a priority for you, you might want to look at cards from AMD/ATI |
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| 15:24.44 | anoob | which driver this graphic card uses? |
| 15:25.02 | wols | anoob: "intel" |
| 15:25.08 | wols | anoob: so which debian? |
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| 15:26.24 | amgarching | psilikon: ext4, reiserfs, "find . | wc -l" in my home returns ~800000, "du -sh ." returns 48G. It is ext4 |
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| 15:26.56 | anoob | wols, debian sid |
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| 15:27.05 | anoob | this one; http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
| 15:27.12 | crodjer | wols: is it deliberate that the testing installer does not install a graphics environment? |
| 15:27.22 | wols | anoob: if you run debian you don't have to ask. especially not if you run sid |
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| 15:27.47 | wols | crodjer: no. and debian installers install what you tell them to install. all of them do that, stable or testing |
| 15:28.02 | anoob | i don't have this graphic card yet wols... |
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| 15:29.21 | crodjer | wols: k, then I should file a bug? As I installed the system through it thrice (assuming I might have unchecked it while the installation) |
| 15:29.38 | wols | crodjer: no you should not. you should simply select to install it |
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| 15:29.57 | crodjer | wols: I did select to install it (all three times) |
| 15:30.13 | badcat | greetings⦠got a packaging related question for you: Right now I'm trying to create a deb package for a python based web application (so i can easily use apt-get to install it on different machines). I figured that I would have to add the python module to the .install file (which works from what I can see); however, my python app relies on some python packages that are not part of the debian repository, and I'd have to install them usin |
| 15:30.14 | badcat | easy_install⦠|
| 15:30.39 | wols | crodjer: is the latest installation you did still there? if so: dpkg -l xorg |
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| 15:31.15 | psilikon | amgarching, So JFS or XFS wouldn't do those operations faster? |
| 15:31.16 | wols | badcat: you'd have to build packages from them too. or add them to your package |
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| 15:32.00 | badcat | wols: okay, I thought there would be an easier way.. I guess it should be sufficient to find out all dependencies and install them next to my own modules, right? |
| 15:32.16 | crodjer | wols: http://dpaste.com/581614/ |
| 15:32.47 | wols | crodjer: so X is installed |
| 15:32.56 | crodjer | wols: yeah, I installed it myself |
| 15:33.39 | amgarching | psilikon: moving/deleting is fast everywhere. Reiserfs had nice ideas about many small files. Ext4 is better supported. XFS for very large files. |
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| 15:33.49 | wols | crodjer: at the end of the installer you get a menu by tasksel. if you select "graphical desktop enviroment", you get an X server installed. if not, no X server |
| 15:33.55 | abrotman | reiserfs is essentially dead and shouldn't be discussed anymore |
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| 15:34.32 | wols | crodjer: you can run tasksel after the installation is done too. man tasksel for the options it takes too |
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| 15:36.23 | crodjer | wols: I just did, it showed me only gfx env checked (because I had manually installed it) and non other. I just checked laptop and it is configuring it now |
| 15:36.55 | chenthu | hey guys can i use the live cd and then from the live cd install debian? |
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| 15:37.03 | ksk | chenthu: yes, you can |
| 15:37.09 | wols | crodjer: you can check what packages exactly each selection in tasksel installs. do that for gfx env and you will see |
| 15:37.21 | wols | ksk: debootstrap? |
| 15:37.37 | ksk | mhm? did i lie and he cannot? |
| 15:37.52 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I thought some people inhereted development for it? |
| 15:37.52 | Djehuty-X | When editing smb.conf (for Samba), under Share Definitions, do I add the share path there? |
| 15:38.01 | crodjer | wols: k |
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| 15:38.14 | ksk | debian.org says: "You can now try Debian by booting a live system from a CD, DVD or USB key without installing any files to the computer. When you are ready, you can run the included installer. " |
| 15:38.18 | ksk | so he can.. |
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| 15:39.09 | chenthu | ksk: is there a possibility that i will have the same "Cannot detect CD-ROM" Problem while installing from a USB, cause i got it now....will i get it if i use a live image? |
| 15:39.31 | abrotman | twobitsprite: i haven't heard about any major changes to the codebase in years .. |
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| 15:39.58 | abrotman | twobitsprite: /msg reiser4 .. i think that says it all ... |
| 15:40.18 | crodjer | wols: thanks |
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| 15:40.47 | crodjer | I'll also try the testing installer again in vbox and see if it does or does not installs the gfx env |
| 15:41.05 | chenthu | ksk: u there? |
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| 15:41.41 | abrotman | twobitsprite: the FAQ is horribly out of date, referencing the 2.4 kernel, you have to patch the kernel to get it (if you're compiling vanilla sources) .. that just doesn't make me think it's still active |
| 15:41.43 | phik | is anyone going to actuly use debian/hurd for anything important at all when/if it finnally gets released? |
| 15:41.43 | psilikon | amgarching, yeah it's fast until you have to work with hundreds of gigs of files. |
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| 15:42.06 | ksk | chenthu: sometimes. but im not your private supporter :> |
| 15:42.06 | AbuDhabi | Hi. I'm running Squeeze, and am having a curious problem with sound. Namely, some of my applications manage to mix sound, but others fail. For example, I am able to fix output from a Youtube with Teamspeak, but I cannot mix Teamspeak with rhythmbox. I also cannot mix rhythmbox with Youtube. |
| 15:42.13 | AbuDhabi | Is something wrong with rhythmbox? |
| 15:42.41 | chenthu_ | ksk: i am sorry if i offended u....in any way biy asking " are u there?".... |
| 15:42.58 | chenthu_ | ksk; Thank you very much for your replies |
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| 15:45.05 | ksk | chenthu_: you do not offend me. i just cannot help you cuz i dont know |
| 15:45.07 | chenthu | l |
| 15:45.13 | chenthu | ksk; ok |
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| 15:47.00 | Bushmills | AbuDhabi: some apps may be using OSS, some others ALSA. doesn't mix |
| 15:47.16 | mjt | actually they do mix ok |
| 15:47.18 | Bushmills | change audio output settings of all consistently |
| 15:47.30 | AbuDhabi | That's what I figured, but rhythmbox doesn't appear to have any way of changing which device it uses. |
| 15:47.32 | mjt | with oss compatibility layer from alsa it all works correctly |
| 15:48.02 | Bushmills | especially OSS apps - without the ALSA layer - are notorious for claiming the audio device |
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| 15:48.27 | AbuDhabi | Teamspeak I have set to use ALSA both for capture and output. |
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| 15:49.54 | wrtiii | Where's the best place to make a forum post for generic linux problems? |
| 15:50.07 | AbuDhabi | When I run rhythmbox with "aoss rhythmbox", it still claims the whole device. |
| 15:50.17 | abrotman | wrtiii: ##linux ? |
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| 15:51.18 | Bushmills | wrtiii, at home behind your computer |
| 15:52.01 | AbuDhabi | If anyone has any suggestions for alternative applications to use instead of rhythmbox, I'd be happy to test them out. |
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| 15:52.20 | Bushmills | AbuDhabi: rhythmbox works fine with ALSA |
| 15:52.51 | AbuDhabi | This has not been my experience. How do I check that, in fact, it does use ALSA? |
| 15:53.26 | Bushmills | through gnome settings |
| 15:53.28 | AbuDhabi | (Well, to tell the truth, it used to work fine on lenny.) |
| 15:53.56 | AbuDhabi | You mean Sound Preferences? |
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| 15:54.48 | Bushmills | not sure. could be. alternatively, configuration editor |
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| 15:56.47 | AbuDhabi | Sound Preferences doesn't appear useful. There's the Sound Effects tab, which serves to turn off all the annoying system sounds. There's the Hardware tab, in which I have one card listed to choose from and the profile selected in Analog Stereo Duplex. |
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| 15:57.44 | AbuDhabi | There's the Input tab, where I can choose which of my two microphone connectors to use, and the input volume dial. |
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| 15:58.48 | AbuDhabi | There's the Output tab, which is roughly analogous to Input, where I have the choice of Internal Audio Analog Stereo for my device, balance and connector. |
| 15:59.09 | AbuDhabi | In the Applications tab, I can see rhythmbox listed and its volume dial. |
| 15:59.33 | AbuDhabi | Nowhere can I find any way to change the sound architecture used. |
| 16:00.41 | wols | AbuDhabi: run rhythmbox and use lsof to check which files it opens. should be pretty clear to see if it uess alsa or what else it uses |
| 16:01.45 | blackshirt | whar good disc burner like k3b for gnome desktop ??? brasero not satisfy me |
| 16:02.09 | zorrolero | wrtiii: http://linuxquestions.org |
| 16:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | AbuDhabi: Out on a limb here, but for rythmbox to use something other than alsa, something other than alsa has to be installed. |
| 16:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | AbuDhabi: Perhaps you are missing a plugin or something? |
| 16:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | AbuDhabi: Have you checked the READM.debian for rythmbox? |
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| 16:02.46 | AbuDhabi | I have not. Checking lsof now. |
| 16:03.43 | AbuDhabi | rhytmbox has a ton of open files. |
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| 16:04.19 | wols | AbuDhabi: only look at the ones in /dev |
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| 16:04.54 | AbuDhabi | rhythmbox 6249 jpkociak mem REG 0,16 67108904 371813 /dev/shm/pulse-shm-1049881817 |
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| 16:05.19 | wols | looks like pulseaudio to me |
| 16:05.23 | AbuDhabi | This looks suspiciously like Pulse--ninja. |
| 16:06.24 | AbuDhabi | Hmm. Can I just deinstall that somehow and leave ALSA? |
| 16:06.39 | wols | you can uninstall pulseaudio, yes |
| 16:07.14 | AbuDhabi | Will that be a problem, then? |
| 16:07.44 | AbuDhabi | I want the applications to work afterwards, naturally, even if they can only work alone. |
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| 16:10.57 | Guest28383 | ciao a tutti |
| 16:11.33 | TaT0 | ragazzi c'[e qualcuno che pu;o |
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| 16:11.36 | TaT0 | darmi una mano? |
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| 16:12.42 | TaT0 | c'[e nessuno??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 16:13.07 | themill | !it |
| 16:13.07 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:14.11 | Jiyuusenshi | omg, stop abusing the question mark, tat0! |
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| 16:14.21 | ajikeshi_ | ¿ |
| 16:14.41 | Jiyuusenshi | you know what i meant :/ |
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| 16:26.01 | EvilRoey | hey how can I set up sshfs so that a normal user (script in a service account, actually) can execute it without sudo or logging into root? |
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| 16:27.47 | robbe | EvilRoey: the directory must be owned by that user |
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| 16:31.30 | wols | EvilRoey: put it in fstab |
| 16:31.43 | wols | and use the "user" option for it |
| 16:32.04 | asdjaputra | hey guys just wondering if i have a 6.0.0 netinst CD and i would like to install the base system, upgrade to 6.0.2.1 and install xfce, is it possible? |
| 16:33.29 | wols | asdjaputra: yes. 6.0.2.1 are only the security updates since 6.0 came out |
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| 16:33.43 | wols | so simply install 6.0, dist-upgrade and install xfce |
| 16:34.11 | asdjaputra | dist-upgrade as in apt-get upgrade? |
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| 16:34.31 | wols | apt-get dist-upgrade. but upgrade would be fine too in this case I guess |
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| 16:35.33 | asdjaputra | so new releases (but still in the main version number, 6) is only compilement of security updates |
| 16:35.47 | asdjaputra | that's why they included the -update isos? |
| 16:36.04 | wols | yes |
| 16:36.04 | abrotman | well, not only security .. but okay |
| 16:36.11 | asdjaputra | ok |
| 16:36.24 | asdjaputra | thanks wols (and abrotman i guess ;)) |
| 16:37.09 | asdjaputra | my ubuntu has been unstable for days, it kept me saying fsck |
| 16:37.16 | asdjaputra | guess it's time to install debian |
| 16:37.18 | asdjaputra | again |
| 16:37.22 | asdjaputra | bye ppl |
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| 16:38.33 | Bushmills | rather than simply running fsck ... |
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| 16:42.05 | abrotman | oh yay |
| 16:42.27 | dobalina | hey i was configuring an email server to interface with mysql and i didn't really think about it but i used a # character as part of the mysql password... then when setting up all the conf files on the system i obviously had to put in the password for a lot of them but now some of are interpretting the # character in the psw as a COMMENT... can i escape the # character in teh conf files somehow |
| 16:42.27 | dobalina | without having to change the whole psw? |
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| 16:43.28 | grand_grunt | Mh, I'm having two black stripes on the sides of my screen (actually, the usable surface is like a square), on a laptop with nVidia GeForce 7300 |
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| 16:44.28 | dobalina | or are you just not allowed to use #'s for anything else but comments in conf files? |
| 16:44.37 | grand_grunt | I've tried to put nouveau, or nvidia, in xorg.conf, none of them work. And "Xorg -configure" fails with "(EE) [drm] No DRICreatePCIBusID symbol" |
| 16:44.40 | Jiyuusenshi | grand_grunt: these are letterboxes. either use a resolution matching your display ratio, or make your screen stretching |
| 16:45.42 | grand_grunt | I don't care is I have nouveau or nvidia or standard VGA, I don't play or use 3D. What is the sortest way to get a xorg using all my screen? |
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| 16:45.57 | grand_grunt | if* shortest* |
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| 16:46.16 | wols | grand_grunt: don't have a xorg.conf and then check your Xorg.0.log |
| 16:46.18 | dobalina | like if i just \# it would that mean the \ is going to be read as part of the password also or not? |
| 16:46.21 | grand_grunt | Jiyuusenshi: Now, there is nothing in my xorg.conf |
| 16:46.25 | mjt | standard vga is unlikely to recognize a non-standard resolution |
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| 16:47.02 | TimmyT | how to install a i386 package on a amd64 debian? i want to install nokia maemo flasher on my amd64 debian |
| 16:47.15 | TimmyT | but they didn't provide any amd64 package |
| 16:47.26 | Jiyuusenshi | grand_grunt: there has to be a resolution inside your xorg.conf. put a widescreen one in there. preferably your display's native one. |
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| 16:48.09 | mjt | if the driver recognizes the controller properly it will detect native resolution automatically without any xorg.conf at all |
| 16:48.20 | grand_grunt | I'm reading the logs of Xorg |
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| 16:48.27 | mjt | if it the hardware isnt recognized it's unlikely a xorg.conf change will help |
| 16:48.50 | AbuDhabi | Hmm. Removing PulseAudio fixed the problem of conflicting sound architectures, but introduced a new problem. |
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| 16:49.27 | grand_grunt | ok, got this: [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" |
| 16:49.33 | nevyn | is shocked. |
| 16:49.52 | AbuDhabi | Namely, I'm on a laptop and there's the spears and mic built into the case, and the headset connected by jacks. The problem is that now I have no control over which connector gets used. |
| 16:50.03 | AbuDhabi | It defaults to the case speakers. |
| 16:50.08 | AbuDhabi | How do I change this in ALSA? |
| 16:50.29 | grand_grunt | This stuff if boring, good old time when "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow" asked questions and made things work.. |
| 16:50.31 | mjt | grand_grunt: do you actually have nouveau.ko? What does your dmesg says? |
| 16:50.47 | grand_grunt | mjt: aouch, dmesg | grep nouveau says nothing |
| 16:50.49 | mjt | grand_grunt: that thing does not support on-the-fly reconfiguration |
| 16:50.51 | nevyn | if the headset is connected to the 3.5mm jacks on the laptop that should still work. |
| 16:51.12 | nevyn | AbuDhabi: if it's connected to usb then I'm not surprised that it doesn't |
| 16:51.36 | grand_grunt | But, I have the "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau" driver |
| 16:51.37 | mjt | grand_grunt: now everything is hotpluggable and reconfigurable, so xorg.conf does not exist at all in almost all cases. |
| 16:51.49 | mjt | grand_grunt: that's not kernel driver |
| 16:52.14 | grand_grunt | mhh, you mean there is some "module assistant" work or something like this to get it? |
| 16:52.23 | mjt | no. it comes with kernel |
| 16:52.35 | mjt | it's in stock kernel for quite some time |
| 16:52.48 | grand_grunt | I guess 2.6.30 is too old, then |
| 16:52.55 | mjt | definitely not |
| 16:53.04 | mjt | it appeared in 2.6.33 iirc |
| 16:53.09 | mjt | err |
| 16:53.15 | cafaro | I want to install a package from testing, I tried following the intro at backports.debian.org, but this for squeeze-backports? But squeeze is stable now? |
| 16:53.16 | mjt | .30 is definitely OLD, yes |
| 16:53.29 | mjt | but .30 isn't a debian kernel |
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| 16:53.45 | grand_grunt | Ok, time for reboot to newer kernel. That was simple, thanks :) |
| 16:53.54 | mjt | squeeze has 2.6.32 (with some nouveau stuff backported iirc), and lenny had 2.6.26 |
| 16:54.07 | grand_grunt | mjt: I've used sometimes sid, sometimes squeeze, upgrading, keeping old kernels |
| 16:54.15 | grand_grunt | And never changed the fact I boot on 2.6.30 |
| 16:54.29 | mjt | in that case use latest kernel available, like 2.6.38 |
| 16:54.30 | slug | hi, what's the easiest way of reporting a bug with the debian.org website ? |
| 16:54.40 | wols | !reportbug |
| 16:54.40 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 16:54.48 | slug | i mean, a bug on the debian website, not on a package |
| 16:54.54 | mjt | slug: slug report it against debian.org pseudopackage |
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| 16:55.00 | mjt | s/slug// ;) |
| 16:55.02 | wols | IIRC there is a debian.org fake package in BTS |
| 16:55.10 | slug | mjt: thanks :) |
| 16:55.39 | mjt | www.debian.org actuall |
| 16:55.41 | mjt | y |
| 16:55.50 | amero | ubuntu's .deb isn't binary compatible with debian, right? |
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| 16:56.01 | mjt | define "binary compatible" |
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| 16:56.59 | mjt | you can use packages from any distribution (not only from debian-derivates) provided you have all necessary libraries etc installed. |
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| 16:57.07 | TimmyT | how to install a i386 package on a amd64 debian? i want to install nokia maemo flasher on my amd64 debian |
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| 16:57.14 | abrotman | amero: it is a really bad idea |
| 16:57.28 | abrotman | amero: and when it breaks, we'll laugh at you |
| 16:57.36 | mjt | that's true :) |
| 16:57.40 | wols | TimmyT: you can't. you can unpack the deb and use its contents tho |
| 16:57.47 | slug | mjt: the website says that "There is no maintainer for pseudopackage. This means that this package no longer exists (or never existed). Please do not report new bugs against this package. " |
| 16:57.50 | slug | mjt: is this true? |
| 16:58.03 | mjt | slug: www.debian.org not debian.org |
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| 16:58.16 | AbuDhabi | nevyn: The headset has 3.5mm jacks for the headphones and the microphone. The headphones work fine. |
| 16:58.17 | mjt | slug: i already corrected myself above ;) |
| 16:58.28 | slug | mjt: ah, alright, got it |
| 16:58.47 | amero | abrotman: right |
| 16:58.49 | AbuDhabi | nevyn: The case microphone is still being used even when the headset is plugged in. |
| 16:59.00 | nevyn | AbuDhabi: did you change it in the alsa mixer? |
| 16:59.49 | nevyn | AbuDhabi: you need to change the capture selector in alsamixer to "mic jack" or similar (maybe "external mic") |
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| 16:59.57 | AbuDhabi | looks. |
| 17:00.12 | slug | mjt: the bug is actually with the viewvc anonscm.debian.org browser. should I report to qa.debian.org instead ? |
| 17:00.17 | amero | so do you have any idea how i could rebuild the deb on debian? |
| 17:00.33 | abrotman | amero: get the source package, start there |
| 17:00.55 | slug | mjt: i got to anonscm. through qa. |
| 17:00.59 | mjt | slug: you may ask in #alioth @irc.oftc.net instead. There were a large transition of alioth recently. |
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| 17:01.30 | mjt | slug: in any way, it's definitely not www.debian.org :) |
| 17:01.42 | wols | amero: get the source and rebuild it. /msg dpkg ssb same as that but different source repo |
| 17:02.37 | amero | a sec. im talking about this package specifically http://ppa.launchpad.net/transmissionbt/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/libe/libevent/ |
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| 17:03.34 | AbuDhabi | nevyn: Found it. Thank you! |
| 17:03.49 | abrotman | amero: the source packages are there .. |
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| 17:05.19 | twobitsprite | amero: what are you trying to install in debian? |
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| 17:05.42 | amero | yeah. but im not so sure about the steps to rebuild it. so i just need 'apt-get source' that lib on ubuntu and transfer it over debian and rebuild it? |
| 17:06.10 | amero | twobitsprite: libevent2.0 |
| 17:06.42 | sajjadG | hi |
| 17:06.45 | mjt | it's available in debian too |
| 17:06.57 | twobitsprite | ,versions libevent2 |
| 17:06.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libevent2' was found in i386. |
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| 17:07.09 | amero | apparently compiling it from its tar source will overrwrite the header files of libevent1.4 |
| 17:07.16 | sajjadG | does any one know what this error is all about : \n X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error) |
| 17:07.16 | mjt | ,versions libevent-2.0-5 |
| 17:07.17 | judd | Package libevent-2.0-5 on i386 -- experimental: 2.0.12-stable-1 |
| 17:07.20 | sajjadG | X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error) |
| 17:07.49 | amero | so my best bet now is to rebuild that package from ubuntu's ppa jusst now |
| 17:08.04 | mjt | why not from debian? |
| 17:08.05 | Tigerboy | anyone mind giving me the ifconfig and route commands to get networking working in Deb squeeze recovery mode...or if there is a better way. |
| 17:08.39 | twobitsprite | amero: might be easier/better to pull the source package from experimental and build it for whatever branch of debian you're on |
| 17:09.16 | mjt | besides, libevent-1.4 and libevent-2 are not terrrible different in api |
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| 17:09.30 | mjt | so for example transmission can be rebuilt with libevent1 |
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| 17:09.59 | __sorin__ | Hi. What's the terminal sequence for the META key similar to ^[ for ESCAPE? |
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| 17:10.09 | cafaro | how to upgrade a package which is installed in the default repo, to the version of my squeeze-backports repo? |
| 17:10.21 | Sapote | hi all!! I make a script witch expect and interact, anybody know howto configurated interact for not add cr/lf? |
| 17:10.38 | sajjadG | X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error) any idea? |
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| 17:10.48 | twobitsprite | cafaro: add the backports repo to your sources.list and install it? |
| 17:11.08 | mjt | there are instructions at backports.debian.org |
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| 17:12.01 | cafaro | twobitsprite: I added the repo, and did aptitude update obviously, but I'm confused how to upgrade it. I added '-t squeeze-backports' but it tells me the package is installed already... |
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| 17:12.26 | twobitsprite | cafaro: what does "apt-cache policy <package>" say? |
| 17:12.30 | mjt | apt-cache policy <package> |
| 17:12.31 | mjt | er |
| 17:12.37 | twobitsprite | <-- win :P |
| 17:13.17 | latepre | does debian live require USB media after it has been loaded? what i mean is - when i get the login screen, can i take out the USB stick? |
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| 17:13.41 | amero | twobitsprite: i saw some of its dependencies requires newer packages that aren't available in stable |
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| 17:14.42 | twobitsprite | amero: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy <package>" and "aptitude why-not <package>" |
| 17:14.43 | wols | latepre: no you can't |
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| 17:14.52 | cafaro | twobitsprite: mjt: http://gist.github.com/1114240 |
| 17:15.02 | Tigerboy | Latepre: A good bit of the live method relies on the media being their... some is brought onto virtual ram disk |
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| 17:15.45 | twobitsprite | ,versions bitlbee |
| 17:15.45 | judd | Package bitlbee on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; sid: 3.0.3-1; wheezy: 3.0.3-1 |
| 17:15.52 | cafaro | twobitsprite, mjt: my sources.list: http://gist.github.com/1114246 |
| 17:16.13 | cafaro | I want the 3.0 version, since the 1.2 has some serious bugs |
| 17:16.26 | twobitsprite | looks like squeeze-backports doesn't have a newer version |
| 17:16.35 | latepre | Tigerboy: i see, but i.e. if i launch badblocks i can probably take out the media right.. but will it be able to return to shell succesfully after its done? |
| 17:16.52 | mjt | cafaro: there's no squeeze-backport of version 3.* of it, as judd told you |
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| 17:18.05 | cafaro | twobitsprite: installing from source is my best option? how will this interfere with the outdated package from aptitude, do I have to uninstall this one first? |
| 17:18.30 | twobitsprite | cafaro: I would recommend getting the source package from wheezy and rebuilding it for your system |
| 17:18.48 | twobitsprite | anyone remember the factoid for that? |
| 17:19.16 | twobitsprite | !tell cafaro about ssb |
| 17:19.47 | cafaro | ok, will try that, thanks for all the help |
| 17:19.52 | twobitsprite | np |
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| 17:20.19 | Tigerboy | latepre: yes sure that should be ok as long as you are not running something at the time |
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| 17:21.06 | Guest933 | hi all |
| 17:21.34 | Tigerboy | i wonder if you can really take a software package written for another version of say nautilus or gnome and compile it on squeeze. It might not work every time. |
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| 17:21.56 | Tigerboy | Guest933: hi |
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| 17:22.47 | Guest933 | I have same questions about deb... same one speack italian? :p |
| 17:23.04 | daemonkeeper | Yes, in #debian.it |
| 17:23.11 | daemonkeeper | Or was it #debian-it? |
| 17:23.12 | Guest933 | ty |
| 17:23.15 | daemonkeeper | The latter I think |
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| 17:29.06 | philipballew | if i install a cli system am i gonna be able to play sound or what do i need to install to play music? |
| 17:31.06 | Tigerboy | philipballew: you might try mplayer |
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| 17:31.52 | philipballew | i install mp3blaster and cmus and both say they cant play music. i installed gstreamer. would mplayer be better? |
| 17:31.57 | philipballew | Tigerboy, |
| 17:31.59 | spal | any command to convert .wav to .ogg? |
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| 17:32.25 | Tigerboy | philipballew: it is a player. |
| 17:33.33 | Tigerboy | tigerboy: I would just trial and error until I found the right one. I have not tried the command line mplayer in a while though but it was good. |
| 17:33.47 | philipballew | Tigerboy, true, wouldnt hurt. im wondering if i dont have like alsa installed or something like that |
| 17:33.50 | Tigerboy | * that was to Philipballew: |
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| 17:34.23 | Tigerboy | philipballew: yes you need to install alsa |
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| 17:34.50 | philipballew | alright Tigerboy will i need to configure that after install? |
| 17:35.08 | Tigerboy | yes but I bet it will work for playing songs |
| 17:35.26 | philipballew | Tigerboy, i assume i just aptitude install alsa? |
| 17:35.31 | Tigerboy | configuring will be important for things like headphones |
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| 17:35.47 | Tigerboy | hmm or maybe alsa* |
| 17:36.29 | philipballew | is pulse required to Tigerboy |
| 17:36.42 | philipballew | i would just configure with alsamixer maybe |
| 17:36.45 | Tigerboy | no but I like it |
| 17:36.55 | Tigerboy | yes alsamixer is great for command line |
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| 17:37.37 | philipballew | alsa gives me like 10 options to install tige |
| 17:37.40 | philipballew | Tigerboy, |
| 17:37.53 | Tigerboy | sounds good just say yes |
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| 17:38.29 | philipballew | to all of them? theres 10 different packages? Tigerboy |
| 17:38.51 | Tigerboy | well yes |
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| 17:39.02 | philipballew | i want to play music from the headphone jack |
| 17:39.04 | philipballew | haha |
| 17:39.07 | blubberdiblub | !tell philipballew about install alsa |
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| 17:40.23 | Tigerboy | headphones can be the most difficult to set up right but things are getting better everyday with that too. |
| 17:40.29 | zykotick9 | spal, oggenc from the vorbis-tools package |
| 17:40.48 | philipballew | there should be a way to do it automaticly |
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| 17:40.57 | philipballew | it oes when you install a gui |
| 17:41.08 | sajjadG | hello everyone |
| 17:41.21 | spal | I find that ffmpeg produces better quality .ogg from .wav than oggenc does. |
| 17:41.33 | sajjadG | how can i make sure my openGL(messa) is working fine |
| 17:41.34 | sajjadG | ? |
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| 17:47.58 | Guest56950 | hello1 |
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| 17:49.25 | linuxguy101 | http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/house-committee-approves-bill-mandating-that-internet-companies-spy-on-their-users/ |
| 17:49.40 | abrotman | linuxguy101: spam somewhere else |
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| 17:49.55 | Guest56950 | #find $debiansick |
| 17:50.01 | Tigerboy | spal: yes I adore ffmpeg |
| 17:50.16 | wols | sajjadG: glxinfo |grep direct for example |
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| 17:50.26 | Tigerboy | spal: ffmpeg is borked in the fedora repos |
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| 18:04.28 | spal | can someone help me to troubleshoot why firefox 5.0 isn't playing this: http://susam.in/downloads/files/weber-fechner/tone1.ogg ? |
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| 18:05.35 | congerro | hi @all, i have a little problem with a shell-script |
| 18:05.43 | congerro | http://codepaste.net/bsjp7n |
| 18:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | spal: Firefox doesn't play audio files. You need some sort of plugin. |
| 18:06.03 | spal | jhutchins, I am trying to play it using HTML5 |
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| 18:07.05 | spal | jhutchins_lt, I am able to play http://susam/downloads/files/500Hz-500point1Hz/500Hz-500point1Hz.ogg on Firefox but not http://susam.in/downloads/files/weber-fechner/tone1.ogg |
| 18:07.29 | Trewas | spal: maybe it doesn't support flac (assuming that ogg vorbis files work) |
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| 18:08.28 | spal | Trewas, ogginfo says, "New logical stream (#1, serial: 74ddfb00): type vorbis" |
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| 18:09.06 | Trewas | spal: file and mplayer both say that tone1.ogg is flac |
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| 18:09.57 | spal | okay |
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| 18:10.34 | spal | Trewas, $ file tone1.ogg --> tone1.ogg: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2, 128 kbps, 22.05 kHz, Monaural |
| 18:10.59 | spal | let me try to create a new .ogg. I am confused with the version on the web server and the one on my system. |
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| 18:11.49 | spal | Trewas, yes, I get the same 'file' info for the one on the server: "MPEG ADTS, layer III, v2, 128 kbps, 22.05 kHz, Monaural", how did this help you to understand that this is flac? |
| 18:11.50 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
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| 18:12.59 | spal | okay, it does say "Ogg data, FLAC audio" |
| 18:13.01 | zykotick9 | spal, when I run file on tone1.ogg i get "tone1.ogg: Ogg data, FLAC audio" |
| 18:13.03 | Trewas | spal: tone1.ogg: Ogg data, FLAC audio, mplayer says Selected audio codec: [ffflac] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg FLAC audio) |
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| 18:13.18 | spal | let me upload the vorbis one. |
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| 18:17.30 | spal | okay. audacity on windows allows me to export my audio as "ogg vorbis". But the Audacity on Debian doesn't. |
| 18:18.16 | spal | the one on debian (wheezy) is Audacity 1.3.13 while that on Windows is Audacity 1.2.6. |
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| 18:18.41 | spal | is this package not being maintained anymore in Debian? |
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| 18:19.43 | abrotman | judd: versions audacity |
| 18:19.44 | judd | Package audacity on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.5-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.3.5-2+lenny1; squeeze: 1.3.12-6; squeeze-multimedia: 1.3.12-7.4; sid: 1.3.13-4; wheezy: 1.3.13-4 |
| 18:19.49 | abrotman | seems to be |
| 18:20.33 | abrotman | spal: sounds like you did something wrong, i have squeeze, let's me export to ogg |
| 18:20.36 | xyan | spal: my audacity lets me eport as ogg vorbis |
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| 18:21.16 | zykotick9 | spal, just a guess, but do you have vorbis-tools installed |
| 18:21.35 | spal | yes |
| 18:22.06 | zykotick9 | spal, my Audacity from d-m certainly allows ogg export as well |
| 18:22.22 | xyan | zykotick9 / spal: not needed just libvorbisenc2 / libvorbisfile3 and lbvorbis0a which are depends of audacity |
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| 18:22.48 | spal | what's d-m? |
| 18:22.53 | spal | debian multimedia? |
| 18:22.53 | zykotick9 | xyan, thanks, as i said "just a guess" it was wrong |
| 18:23.01 | zykotick9 | spal, ya |
| 18:23.30 | spal | aptitude show audacity does say: Supported file formats include Ogg Vorbis, MP2, MP3, WAV, AIFF, and AU. |
| 18:25.09 | spal | zykotick9, abrotman could you please share your audacity version numbers? |
| 18:25.34 | zykotick9 | spal, 1.3.12-7.4 |
| 18:26.12 | abrotman | spal: i said, the one in squeeze |
| 18:26.25 | spal | that's the older than mine. |
| 18:26.54 | zykotick9 | spal, where did you get your audacity from? |
| 18:26.56 | abrotman | by one decimal place .. i doubt that's why it doesn't work |
| 18:27.10 | spal | from "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ wheezy main" |
| 18:27.29 | LasseMDK | I have previously installed freeradius on squeeze. Then I would remove it, and all it configuration files by aptitude purge freeradius. But it did not remove the /etc/freeradius/radiusd.conf file, so I removed the /etc/freeradius directory manually. Then I tried to install freeradius again, but it does not create the radiusd.conf file? Why? |
| 18:27.35 | spal | Is there any command to confirm which repo is my audacity from? |
| 18:28.01 | zykotick9 | spal, "apt-cache policy audacity" |
| 18:29.05 | spal | hmm. I find something strange: http://pastebin.com/E6AjYv7u |
| 18:29.28 | spal | it means, it has come from wheezy, right? |
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| 18:30.17 | wols | spal: do you read what you write yourself? < spal> from "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ wheezy main" |
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| 18:30.59 | spal | wols, apt-cache policy says: 500 http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages |
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| 18:31.20 | craigevil | audacity is in the normal debian repos fro wheezy and sid, if you are running squeeze its in the dmm repo |
| 18:31.31 | craigevil | s/fro/for |
| 18:32.13 | zykotick9 | craigevil, it's in squeeze too, according to judd |
| 18:32.54 | spal | it's not in wheezy-multimedia thought which is what craigevil is saying, I guess. |
| 18:32.55 | craigevil | ah right, missed that only saw squeeze-multimedia: 1.3.12-7.4 |
| 18:33.26 | spal | s/thought/though/ |
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| 18:38.54 | zykotick9 | Trying to use kvm to directly boot a partition, problem: after installing Grub2 to the partition (in addition to MBR) when trying to boot am getting "GRUB Geom Error", was told in #kvm to "ignore geometry and use lba" but am not finding this option in Grub2. Suggestions? |
| 18:39.37 | krakrjak | zykotick9: isn't that an option to kvm? |
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| 18:39.57 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, oh - off to research. Thanks. |
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| 18:43.46 | krakrjak | zykotick9: are you doing something like kvm -drive if=/dev/sdX#,media=disk,index=0 BLAH |
| 18:44.35 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, well, something "like" that, wasn't using media=disk,index=0 ;) trying. |
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| 18:47.11 | krakrjak | zykotick9, the strange thing is that kvm -hda /dev/sdX# -boot c should be enough. That's what's giving the error right? |
| 18:47.11 | Abyssion | I bought the Humble Indie Bundle 3, and I'm running 64-bit Squeeze. When I try to run one of the games I get this: "error while loading shared libraries: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" I installed the libmikmod.so.2 package from the repositories; what else do I need to do? |
| 18:47.50 | dviner | is there a way to install the mysql-server package and not be prompted for the root password? maybe a command line parameter to apt-get or an env variable that is used ? |
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| 18:48.03 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, i can boot the MBR no problem, but specifying the partition (which should also have grub) give the GEOM error. |
| 18:48.09 | abrotman | you could preseed it or use the debconf-set stuff |
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| 18:48.44 | dviner | @abrotman, how would i pre-seed it ? |
| 18:49.12 | abrotman | you probably want the debconf-set-selections |
| 18:49.17 | wols | abrotman: most likely this game is a 32bit game and needs 32bit libraries |
| 18:50.03 | Abyssion | wols: Does that mean it can't be run on 64-bit? |
| 18:50.24 | wols | no. it means you need the 32bit library |
| 18:50.32 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, would you mind having a look at what I'm doing wrong (I realize this is probably operator ignorance) http://paste.debian.net/124516/ |
| 18:50.49 | krakrjak | zykotick9: taking a peek |
| 18:51.59 | Abyssion | Alright. Well, I have no idea how to install 32-bit libraries on a 64-bit system. |
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| 18:52.45 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, <UNSUPPORTED SUGGESTION FOLLOWS> the getlibs script is really handy for that. |
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| 18:53.07 | Abyssion | You mean this? http://frozenfox.freehostia.com/cappy/ |
| 18:53.21 | krakrjak | zykotick9: yeah it looks like an issue in the parameters. Try kvm -smp2 -m 2048 -drive file=/dev/sda2,media=disk,index=0 -drive file=/dev/sdb,media=disk,index=1 -swoundhw ac97 -vga vmware -usbdevice tablet |
| 18:53.30 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, ya, but perhaps someone has a more official suggestion |
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| 18:53.51 | krakrjak | zykotick9: only difference is using file= instead of if=. That was my bad in my initial suggestion. |
| 18:53.53 | Abyssion | Eh, I'll try it |
| 18:54.16 | krakrjak | zykotick9: I missed a space there between -smp and 2 |
| 18:54.20 | dviner | @abrotman: # debconf-get-selections shows "-bash: debconf-get-selections: command not found" |
| 18:54.45 | krakrjak | zykotick9: oops also -swoundhw sould be -soundhw |
| 18:54.47 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, thanks so much for trying - same geom error :(. Ya i found the other typo as well with swonudhw ;_ |
| 18:54.54 | krakrjak | ok |
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| 18:55.27 | krakrjak | hrm.... same geom error. Is that from grub trying to boot? From the boot menu in the /dev/sda2 MBR? |
| 18:55.58 | Abyssion | zykotick9: Well, when I run getlibs, it's just telling me "no match for libmikmod.so.2" |
| 18:55.59 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, well, from the non-MBR of /dev/sda2 yes |
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| 18:56.44 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, getlibs has many options - you can use it to install from 32bit DEBs as well. |
| 18:57.00 | krakrjak | zykotick9: so from the grub installed on /dev/sda2 you get a menu, but then when you pick a boot option you get the geom error? |
| 18:57.04 | Abyssion | zykotick9: Yeah, I tried "getlibs -l libmikmod.so.2" and it said no match |
| 18:57.08 | stack | hi, i've installed nm-applet and network-manager-openvpn but in the "add" dialog of the applet, under the vpn section, doesn't show up the openvpn option, what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:57.25 | krakrjak | Abyssion: you said you installed libmikmod where did it put it? |
| 18:57.38 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, no error comes before Grub menu - it fails to boot entirely |
| 18:57.42 | Abyssion | krakrjak: I installed it from the repos, so afaik it's in /usr/lib |
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| 18:58.14 | Abyssion | Yep, that'sit |
| 18:58.37 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, this isn't a copy/paste of the situation http://paste.debian.net/124520/ |
| 18:58.38 | Abyssion | Oh |
| 18:58.45 | Abyssion | --apt-file : Uses apt-file to find the packagenames for libraries. The default uses packages.ubuntu.com. This is especially useful for non-ubuntu users. |
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| 18:59.04 | Abyssion | That might be why it's not finding a match... I'm not using Ubuntu's repositories, thankfully >.> |
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| 18:59.46 | Abyssion | Aaaaand now it says "/usr/bin/getlibs: line 279: apt-file: command not found" |
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| 19:00.08 | Abyssion | Along with the same "no results" message |
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| 19:00.39 | rahsputin | hello |
| 19:00.50 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, perhaps installing apt-file would help? |
| 19:01.19 | rahsputin | Do i have to have special Privileges to execute $ wvdial --config .wvdial.conf ? |
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| 19:01.31 | Abyssion | zykotick9: Is that a package in itself? The Ubuntu forum thread I'm reading about getlib suggests that it's an argument for getlib |
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| 19:01.45 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, yes apt-file is a package |
| 19:01.48 | Abyssion | k |
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| 19:04.02 | Abyssion | zykotick9: Well, I guess it counts as progress if getlib solves your problem but another one pops up in its place |
| 19:04.11 | EvilRoey | wols: heh, true... |
| 19:04.14 | EvilRoey | wols: thanks! |
| 19:04.32 | amero | twobitsprite: ok i've finally got the libevent2 rebuilt from exper source. no error at all |
| 19:04.32 | Abyssion | Now I get this: "(<unknown>:3401): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" |
| 19:04.46 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, i don't think you can blame getlibs, or me for that ;) |
| 19:04.58 | Abyssion | Nah, just saying |
| 19:05.59 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, do you already have the ia32-libs-gtk package installed? |
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| 19:06.44 | Abyssion | zykotick9: Yup, version 20110310 |
| 19:07.06 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, ummm. I got nothin' then. Good luck. |
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| 19:07.14 | Abyssion | zykotick9: Thanks |
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| 19:28.12 | MrMind | hi there, when I have more then 5 bookmarks in nautilus places just show home folder, desktop and bookmarks ->... but I want places to show everything like documents, videos, pictures even when I have more then 5 bookmarks, is that possible? :) |
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| 19:35.22 | zykotick9 | MrMind, not by default. If you are willing to recompile some stuff, it seems like it might be possible (at least some people in Ubuntu have managed to do it). I'd like to see this as a feature as well. Good luck. |
| 19:35.58 | twobitsprite | amero: congrats |
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| 19:37.31 | krakrjak | zykotick9: any luck yet? |
| 19:38.28 | krakrjak | zykotick9: When I look the error up "Geom Error" it states that grub didn't install stage 1.5 or stage 2 where grub can find it. |
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| 19:38.38 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, no, but I've given up for the time being. May try some more experimenting later. Thanks so much for the help! I kinda feel like i've let you down :) |
| 19:38.45 | amero | twobitsprite: yup unfortunately im bumping into an error when compiling transmission against the lib |
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| 19:39.07 | amero | http://pastebin.com/s91b0xrP |
| 19:39.08 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, yes, I've seen references to the same type of prople as well. |
| 19:39.09 | krakrjak | zykotick9, nah this one is tricky and seems to be all over the internet when using real partitions for kvm/qemu. |
| 19:39.33 | krakrjak | zykotick9, everytime someone says they got it working they are not clear as to what helped. |
| 19:40.11 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, I can use the MBR fine, it's really just so I could have shortcuts to the individual OSs - and possible individualized setups for each. |
| 19:41.01 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, it would also be nice to re-add the automatic Grub timeout/boot - right now rebooting from SSH would be a disaster ;) |
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| 19:41.10 | krakrjak | zykotick9, Seems sane. All OSes you want to run are on different disks? If so then just boot from the same grub2 each time with boot entries for each OS. |
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| 19:42.25 | hamnegga | my apt is all messed up. If I issue an, "apt-get update", "apt get-upgrade", or anything. It says, "Retreiving pacakage information (%0)" and stays at 0 percent, while my cpu processes go to about 80% and never resolves anything. Anyone got any ideas |
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| 19:44.29 | Abyssion | Alright. What does this error mean? "Fontconfig error: "local.conf", line 1: XML or text delcaration not at start of entity" I'm getting this when I try to run Crayon Physics on my 32-bit laptop, where it ought to work. |
| 19:44.37 | Abyssion | declaration* |
| 19:45.12 | zykotick9 | krakrjak, what it looks like right now ;) https://plus.google.com/115403891429547707849/posts/dPn4sDR5z7i |
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| 19:51.15 | juri_ | abyssion: you might try an empty sources.list file, and see if you can trick update into running. |
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| 19:51.30 | juri_ | er. hamnegga, even. ;) |
| 19:51.34 | Abyssion | o.o |
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| 19:53.15 | krakrjak | juri: zykotick9 is having issues using real partitions with kvm. He's getting a Grub GEOM error. ideas? |
| 19:53.24 | krakrjak | juri_: zykotick9 is having issues using real partitions with kvm. He's getting a Grub GEOM error. ideas? |
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| 19:55.14 | krakrjak | hamnegga: are you sure you aren't having this problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=634696 |
| 19:55.15 | Abyssion | Okay, how about this... GLIBCXX_3.4.14? Apparently Crayon Physics requires it but it's not in Synaptic and Google is unhelpful |
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| 19:57.39 | krakrjak | Abyssion: do you have libstdc++6 installed? |
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| 19:58.05 | Abyssion | krakrjak: Yup |
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| 19:59.01 | krakrjak | Abyssion: ok how about libstdc++5? |
| 19:59.09 | Abyssion | krakrjak: Nope |
| 19:59.22 | krakrjak | 6 is based on gcc 4 and 5 is based off of gcc 3 |
| 19:59.52 | krakrjak | Abyssion: based on the version number requested GLIBCXX_3.4.14 I'd give libstdc++5 a go. |
| 19:59.59 | Abyssion | Mkay |
| 20:00.00 | krakrjak | Abyssion: if it doesn't work you can uninstall it. |
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| 20:02.39 | julianrabe | hi |
| 20:03.03 | julianrabe | may i get apt-get related support here? |
| 20:03.07 | abrotman | for which distro ? |
| 20:03.10 | julianrabe | debian |
| 20:03.15 | abrotman | you can try |
| 20:03.22 | julianrabe | sry, actually its kubuntu |
| 20:03.27 | julianrabe | ok |
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| 20:03.32 | krakrjak | we like aptitude. |
| 20:03.36 | Abyssion | krakrjak: Same error: "Desktop/CrayonPhysicsDeluxe/crayon: /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.14' not found (required by Desktop/CrayonPhysicsDeluxe/crayon)" |
| 20:03.39 | abrotman | julianrabe: then go to #kubutnu |
| 20:03.42 | abrotman | #kubuntu |
| 20:03.42 | wols | and we don't like kubuntu questions here |
| 20:03.56 | julianrabe | ok, my questin is more general i think |
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| 20:04.01 | abrotman | julianrabe: then go to #kubuntu |
| 20:04.01 | julianrabe | *question |
| 20:04.05 | julianrabe | ok |
| 20:04.09 | julianrabe | thnx |
| 20:04.10 | abrotman | we do NOT support kubuntu here |
| 20:04.16 | slidesinger | How can I find out the debian version of a box? |
| 20:04.23 | abrotman | !tell slidesinger about version |
| 20:04.25 | julianrabe | its about setting up a repo ;) |
| 20:04.32 | Abyssion | Should I uninstall version 6? |
| 20:04.36 | abrotman | julianrabe: GO TO #kubuntu! |
| 20:04.41 | slidesinger | abrotman: Thanks |
| 20:04.44 | ompaul | julianrabe: so the wrong place is still wrong |
| 20:04.52 | julianrabe | yes, i'll do ;) |
| 20:04.53 | abrotman | wtf does the topic say? *Debian* support channel |
| 20:05.21 | wols | Abyssion: ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.14 libstdc++.so.6 supposedly is a workaround. and the symbol you need is part of libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 20:05.56 | krakrjak | Abyssion: NO! You likely have other software depending on version 6. |
| 20:06.04 | Abyssion | Okay |
| 20:06.21 | Abyssion | wols: Does the directory from which I run that command matter? |
| 20:06.28 | krakrjak | Abyssion: This is a strange issue where the software is looking for a SPECIFIC version of the library, rather than an ABI compatible version. |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | krakrjak: binary-only software does that sometimes |
| 20:06.43 | wols | krakrjak: and that is a problem how? |
| 20:06.54 | krakrjak | abrotman: that's why I stay clear most of the time. |
| 20:07.04 | Abyssion | I think the game developers made some poor assumptions about libraries that users would have |
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| 20:07.08 | Abyssion | At least, that's what I heard |
| 20:07.14 | krakrjak | wols: cause there are many compatible versions of the CXX library that would work in place of 3.4.14 |
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| 20:07.50 | wols | krakrjak: you didn't get it? |
| 20:08.10 | Abyssion | Anyway, wols, I ran your ln -s command and there appears to be no change |
| 20:08.11 | krakrjak | wols: too slow over here... kinda defensive atm... |
| 20:08.55 | wols | Abyssion: then undo it. and run "strings <lib that wants it> |grep libstdc" |
| 20:09.08 | krakrjak | Abyssion: I'd email the company and see what versions of Debian it should work on. |
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| 20:10.10 | abrotman | probably none |
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| 20:10.58 | Abyssion | wols: How do I "undo" the ln? |
| 20:11.13 | wols | rn the link you created |
| 20:11.18 | wols | *rm |
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| 20:12.09 | Abyssion | Okay, which one is the link? (Obviously I've never used ln before) |
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| 20:13.35 | wols | ls -l libstdc++* should clearly show what is a link and to where it points |
| 20:13.47 | wols | the one with the very specific version number is the link |
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| 20:13.58 | wols | tho they are all links (except one) |
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| 20:14.25 | wols | Abyssion: have you run ldd on this crayon thing yet? |
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| 20:15.04 | Abyssion | No, I haven't |
| 20:15.16 | krakrjak | wols: it's a pretty neat cross platform game. |
| 20:15.17 | Abyssion | I guess I need to uninstall version 5 too |
| 20:15.31 | krakrjak | http://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 20:15.38 | Abyssion | ^ |
| 20:15.46 | Abyssion | Alright, so... this link... |
| 20:16.27 | krakrjak | Abyssion: yes aptitude remove libstdc++5 to clean up. |
| 20:16.28 | Abyssion | It's confusing |
| 20:16.39 | Abyssion | ls: cannot access libstdcc++*: No such file or directory |
| 20:16.49 | krakrjak | Abyssion: then remove the link you created above that wols is helping you with. |
| 20:16.49 | Abyssion | Oh, libstdc |
| 20:16.56 | krakrjak | ls -l libstdc* |
| 20:17.20 | Abyssion | Done |
| 20:17.31 | Abyssion | Now, ldd? |
| 20:18.27 | Abyssion | Here are the results http://pastebin.com/caJbpLj1 |
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| 20:21.27 | wols | Abyssion: strings /usr/lib/libcstdc* |grep GLIBCXX |
| 20:22.00 | wols | Abyssion: how far up does it go? on sid, it's up to 16 |
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| 20:22.00 | crazy2k | Any user of Shotwell + Picasa? I like having all my pictures in the same place ordered by date, and do tag them according to the trip or place. It seems Picasa organizes photos a bit different; you have to create albums. If I want to share all the pictures with a tag to Google+, I have to create an album with all those pictures and make it visible, right? |
| 20:22.10 | Abyssion | wols: strings: command not found |
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| 20:22.38 | wols | !installit |
| 20:22.38 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 20:23.14 | Abyssion | Oh crap |
| 20:23.23 | Abyssion | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:23.50 | wols | what did you remove exactly? |
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| 20:23.57 | abrotman | the wrong thing |
| 20:23.58 | wols | ls /usr/lib/libstdc* |
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| 20:24.09 | wols | ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc* rather and show us the output |
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| 20:24.29 | Abyssion | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1043976 Nov 14 2010 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.13 |
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| 20:24.33 | abrotman | you assume he can still ls! |
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| 20:24.39 | Abyssion | That looked like the non-link one |
| 20:24.51 | abrotman | that's the only one ? |
| 20:24.58 | Abyssion | Only one |
| 20:25.15 | abrotman | where's your /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 -> libstdc++.so.6.0.13 ? |
| 20:25.20 | wols | abrotman: if something like ls needs C++ and templates, then armageddon is near |
| 20:25.26 | Abyssion | I was told to delete that |
| 20:25.33 | wols | abrotman: if he still had it, apt would complain, would it? |
| 20:25.40 | wols | Abyssion: no you were not |
| 20:25.57 | wols | *wouldn't complain |
| 20:26.02 | Abyssion | <wols> rm the link you created |
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| 20:27.15 | wols | Abyssion: you didn't create libstdc++.so.6. never ever. |
| 20:27.24 | wols | cause that was created by dpkg once upon a time |
| 20:27.25 | Abyssion | I am lost. |
| 20:28.01 | wols | ln -s <your version specific libstdc above> libstdc++.so.6 |
| 20:28.09 | krakrjak | ^ |
| 20:28.28 | wols | then install binutils |
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| 20:28.44 | Abyssion | Do I want to do that in /usr/bin? |
| 20:28.46 | Abyssion | Er |
| 20:28.50 | Abyssion | /usr/lib/ |
| 20:29.05 | wols | no other place you can do it properly |
| 20:29.34 | anatoly_ | Is it right channel to ask a question about re-building libgtk+2.0 package? |
| 20:29.45 | Abyssion | Done |
| 20:29.48 | wols | anatoly_: which debian branch do you run? |
| 20:29.59 | Abyssion | Alright, apt is working again |
| 20:30.06 | anatoly_ | wols: testing |
| 20:30.15 | Abyssion | binutils installed |
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| 20:31.31 | krakrjak | anatoly_: using dh_make or debuild etc? |
| 20:32.36 | anatoly_ | I want to rebuild the package with a patch from ubuntu version, but get an error about missing symbols (symbols that are added by the patch) |
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| 20:32.41 | wols | Abyssion: so how far up does the numbering for your missing symbol go? |
| 20:32.57 | anatoly_ | krakrjak: I think its debuild |
| 20:32.57 | wols | anatoly_: your makefile is missing the patched files then |
| 20:33.12 | Abyssion | My missing symbol? I'm sorry, I don't understand |
| 20:33.25 | wols | Abyssion: the GLIBCXX... symbol? |
| 20:33.28 | Abyssion | ah |
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| 20:34.01 | Abyssion | GLIBCXX_3.4.14 |
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| 20:34.11 | anatoly_ | wols: I added the patch with quilt import command |
| 20:34.12 | regenbogenfuesse | helloo |
| 20:34.21 | wols | Abyssion: do you really get that as output from the strings command? really? |
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| 20:34.33 | Abyssion | Not from strings, from trying to run the game |
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| 20:34.35 | Abyssion | Right, one sec |
| 20:34.51 | Abyssion | Unable to locate package strings |
| 20:34.54 | Abyssion | What's the package name? |
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| 20:34.59 | Raccoon1400 | what's the best way to track my internet usage? My landlord says we keep going way over but I swear it's not me |
| 20:35.11 | wols | Abyssion: binutils... |
| 20:35.18 | Abyssion | Oh, okay |
| 20:35.19 | regenbogenfuesse | i am looking for a lightweight rtf editor (in repos.; not AbiWord, etc <- to heavy) |
| 20:35.33 | shirish | hi all, does anybody know what was Ian Murdock's motivation to start the Debian project. |
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| 20:35.50 | th0r | Raccoon1400: gkrellm will keep daily, weekly and monthly totals if you use it to monitor the net connection |
| 20:35.58 | abrotman | !history |
| 20:35.59 | dpkg | methinks debian history is http://www.debian.org/intro/about#history http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version. |
| 20:36.07 | shirish | I read the detailed history at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-detailed.en.html |
| 20:36.30 | Abyssion | wols: "strings /usr/lib/libcstdc* |grep GLIBCXX" right? |
| 20:36.44 | Abyssion | nvm |
| 20:36.57 | Abyssion | It goes to 13, then "FORCE_NEW" |
| 20:36.59 | shirish | abrotman: I read that, the point is it just goes into Debian release and other stuff, not actually what was/were Ian's motivations to start the project. What was the issue at the time. |
| 20:37.20 | wols | Abyssion: and that's why it doesn't run. library too old... |
| 20:38.02 | Abyssion | shirish: There's always Wikipedia. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Debian#History |
| 20:38.04 | Lns | Is there any way to get Squeeze into a 512mb ide-flash disk? I know the installation minimum is 1GB...but, I mean, this is Debian...i'm sure there's a way =) |
| 20:38.13 | krakrjak | shirish: my understanding is that there was nothing like Debian. To this day it's still quite unique. |
| 20:38.17 | anatoly_ | any ideas, guys, about patch and new symbols that are provided by it? |
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| 20:38.34 | wols | Lns: have you tried what a minimal install takes yet? probably less than 512MB |
| 20:38.45 | Raccoon1400 | th0r: what gkrellm package? I'm looking at in in synaptic, there are quite a few, dont see the right one |
| 20:39.03 | Abyssion | wols: Is there any way to update the library that I need to the required version? |
| 20:39.14 | wols | anatoly_: if your linker complains about them, you don't link the files or compiled the wrong ones. QED. so have you actually checked your makefiles or your output? |
| 20:39.27 | abrotman | shirish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#1993.E2.80.931998 .. a bit better? |
| 20:39.29 | th0r | Raccoon1400: gkrellm is the base package and has network monitoring built in. The rest are plugins for the base package |
| 20:39.32 | shirish | krakrjak: while I agree with that statement, lot of it happened during Bruce Peren's turn at the helm, the Debian social contract and DFSG guidelines . |
| 20:39.32 | wols | Abyssion: not really easily |
| 20:40.04 | th0r | Raccoon1400: I think apt-get install gkrellm will fetch the base package for you |
| 20:40.05 | Lns | wols: yeah...it tries, but chokes |
| 20:40.06 | ompaul | shirish: because he could |
| 20:40.15 | Abyssion | Fantastic. So in other words, one of the five games in the third Humble Indie Bundle will not run on Debian Squeeze. |
| 20:40.18 | krakrjak | wols: can he just update libstdc++6 to wheezy? It will upgrade a TON of stuff, but that might do it right? |
| 20:40.20 | wols | Lns: choke how? |
| 20:40.35 | anatoly_ | wols: I thought quilt import; quilt push is enought. Do I need to add symbols to .symbols file in /debian dir? |
| 20:40.45 | wols | krakrjak: and that "ton of stuff" is why it's a stupid idea. mainly libc I guess but still |
| 20:40.50 | Lns | wols: it's been a while but it basically runs out of room during the install |
| 20:40.59 | Lns | even though it's only installing the base system |
| 20:41.09 | wols | "Depends: gcc-4.6-base (= 4.6.0-10), libc6 (>= 2.3.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1)" |
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| 20:41.18 | wols | ,versions gcc |
| 20:41.19 | judd | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.6.1-2; wheezy: 4:4.6.1-2 |
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| 20:41.44 | wols | Lns: getting a nce gcc is not ideal me thinks |
| 20:41.51 | wols | ,versions libstdc++6 |
| 20:41.52 | judd | Package libstdc++6 on i386 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.6.1-4; sid: 4.6.1-5 |
| 20:41.55 | krakrjak | shirish: form teh wikipedia article: The perceived poor maintenance and prevalence of bugs in SLS[24] motivated Murdock to launch a new distribution. |
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| 20:42.17 | Abyssion | "All that was left was an incompatible system libstdc++, so I re-created lib32 and copied the old version from lib32.o back." What about this? |
| 20:42.18 | wols | s/nce/new |
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| 20:42.22 | shirish | krakrjak: investigating SLS :) |
| 20:42.42 | Abyssion | Well. Full comment: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2350532&cid=36890368 |
| 20:42.44 | shirish | btw does anybody know if Redhat was around that time 1993 |
| 20:42.47 | Lns | wols: nce gcc? |
| 20:42.49 | Raccoon1400 | th0r: thanks, now I can prove it's not me using all the internet. |
| 20:42.59 | Lns | wols: oh hehe |
| 20:43.39 | th0r | Raccoon1400: I have run gkrellm on the desktop for years. It is one of the first things I install on a new computer |
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| 20:44.01 | th0r | Raccoon1400: when you get to tinkering with it, go to the gkrellm homepage and fetch the skins |
| 20:44.15 | krakrjak | shirish: late comers to the game |
| 20:44.33 | Abyssion | wols: Does the comment to which I just linked make any sense to you? |
| 20:44.34 | krakrjak | shirish: see yygdrasil |
| 20:44.34 | abrotman | shirish: there is a whole linux history on the internet ... |
| 20:44.58 | Raccoon1400 | th0r: I guess I have to get it to start automatically if I want it to always be watching |
| 20:45.31 | shirish | hmmm.... yes reading on it. |
| 20:45.40 | th0r | Raccoon1400: yes. There are any number of reasons to have it run automatically and always. I monitor cpu and memory usage...once you have watched it a while you know what they should be |
| 20:46.12 | Raccoon1400 | th0r: can I get it to run in the background? I don |
| 20:46.13 | krakrjak | Abyssion: ok looks like the game ships with a set of libraries to use. |
| 20:46.21 | Raccoon1400 | oops |
| 20:46.22 | Abyssion | Yeah, there's a folder of them |
| 20:46.35 | Raccoon1400 | th0r:can I get it to run in the background? I don't want it to always be in the way |
| 20:46.54 | th0r | Raccoon1400: yes. run it as 'gkrellm &'. If you put it in autostart it will be in the background. And if you check the configu you can make it be below everythign else |
| 20:47.06 | Abyssion | uh |
| 20:47.19 | Abyssion | krakrjak: Hold on... now the game is working o_0 |
| 20:47.33 | krakrjak | Abyssion: In a lib directory. This guy says move that directory out of the way. Install those libraries using aptitude install (or better try auto-apt), then after you do that recreate the lib directory and put the correct libstdc++ in the folder. |
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| 20:48.00 | th0r | Raccoon1400: right click on gkrellm and choose configuration. Under general-properties check Set Sticky State and, Do not include on taskbar, and Do not include in pager |
| 20:48.00 | Abyssion | I had renamed the directory to lib32.o as per his comment, and I just gave it back its proper name, and now the game runs |
| 20:48.33 | Abyssion | Now I'll try actually playing it to see if it gets past the title screen |
| 20:48.34 | th0r | Raccoon1400: also on the Options tab check Remember screen location |
| 20:48.41 | krakrjak | Abyssion: congratulations! I hope it's worth every penny. BTW, what did you think was a fair price for the bundle? |
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| 20:49.25 | zykotick9 | Abyssion, nice |
| 20:49.47 | Abyssion | Okay, the game's playing, but I don't hear any audio |
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| 20:50.35 | Raccoon1400 | how can I see what other computers are connected to my router? someone may be stealing usage |
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| 20:51.00 | th0r | Raccoon1400: that would be a function of the router, if it has that capability |
| 20:51.14 | Abyssion | krakrjak: I paid $10 for the bundle, btw |
| 20:51.30 | Raccoon1400 | th0r: my old roomate did it, but I don't know much about networking |
| 20:51.51 | Raccoon1400 | I'll just ask him and see what he did |
| 20:52.07 | th0r | Raccoon1400: I use mac address (hardware address) filtering when I run a wifi hub. It is I think better than wpa at keeping people out. |
| 20:52.35 | wols | th0r: you're a funny guy |
| 20:52.38 | Raccoon1400 | the landlord wants to dump rogers, he thinks its their fault |
| 20:52.50 | th0r | wols: why is that? |
| 20:53.09 | Bushmills | Raccoon1400: linux on router? arp -a. or, install arpwatch and receive a notification for each new interface the router sees |
| 20:53.13 | wols | th0r: cause your WPA keyphrase isn't public like your MACs |
| 20:54.01 | Raccoon1400 | Bushmills, its just a cheap chinese router, I don't even know the ip |
| 20:54.05 | th0r | wols: but if you use mac address filtering, and turn off the ssi broadcast, they would have to be really dedicated to even find out the hub exists <smile>. Besides, I have had lousy luck getting linux to do wpa |
| 20:54.28 | Bushmills | Raccoon1400: cheap? chinese? tp-link? |
| 20:54.32 | wols | th0r: you talk a lot of off topic crap. good day |
| 20:54.59 | Raccoon1400 | Bushmills: NTIAECC |
| 20:55.12 | Raccoon1400 | the landlord got it, he's cheap |
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| 21:03.39 | twobitsprite | uses mac filtering too :) |
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| 21:11.00 | Raccoon1400 | I need to learn networking. I can fix a broken audio amp, but never figured out much about networks |
| 21:11.08 | Miesco_ | How would I mount an iso image? |
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| 21:11.53 | skiy1337 | Would anyone like to try out my program? |
| 21:13.55 | Raccoon1400 | will it make me dinner? |
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| 21:14.15 | skiy1337 | No, but it will allow you to eat out. |
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| 21:15.19 | andihit | how can I set environment variables with start-stop-daemon? |
| 21:15.20 | zykotick9 | Miesco_, from cli: mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> |
| 21:16.49 | krakrjak | andihit: VAR=something start-stop-daemon |
| 21:17.13 | krakrjak | andihit: alternatively in the init script export VAR=something <body of script> |
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| 21:18.30 | andihit | krakrjak: thx :) I tried the VAR=something without the export and it didn't work, now it works, thx :) |
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| 21:19.57 | Raccoon1400 | is trying to fix a turntable |
| 21:20.59 | krakrjak | andihit: great! |
| 21:21.16 | krakrjak | Raccoon1400: so what type? Technics? |
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| 21:21.47 | Raccoon1400 | yamah |
| 21:21.51 | Raccoon1400 | *yamaha |
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| 21:26.38 | cafaro | I want to install bitlbee 3.0, and since it's not in backports i was advised to install it from wheezy, when I do aptitude build-dep bitlbee, it wants to install more than 100 dependencies. Is this expected? and should I install these? Or would this only bloat my system, and should I try something else? |
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| 21:26.59 | Jayro | Hello, What file do I have to edit to make it start compiz instead of meta city by default? |
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| 21:31.10 | Jayro | anyone? |
| 21:31.29 | krakrjak | Jayro: can't make the change from X eh? |
| 21:31.44 | Jayro | what do you mean? |
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| 21:32.38 | krakrjak | Jayro: You can change your window manager from an existing gnome session and make it permanent. |
| 21:33.22 | Jayro | how do i make it permenent? |
| 21:33.24 | krakrjak | Jayro: try, gconftool-2 --set -t string /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz |
| 21:33.37 | tjansson | I just changed from a BIOS to a UFEI motherboard and cannot boot - I just have a blinking cursor. I have been googling a while and seen that I might need uefi version of grub, but don't know where to start. Any pointers? |
| 21:33.50 | krakrjak | Jayro: That will work if there is an existing /usr/share/applications/compiz.desktop file |
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| 21:34.20 | Jayro | krakrjak, you are confusing me. |
| 21:34.38 | krakrjak | Jayro: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compiz |
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| 21:38.06 | RichiH | is there any way to put a DVD drive into a slower mode while reading to ensure/increase data integrity? |
| 21:38.53 | krakrjak | hrm... sounds like you want some bandwidth scheduling? |
| 21:39.12 | RichiH | no, as that would mean it would peak for a short time and then idle |
| 21:39.19 | RichiH | i want to limit the max speed |
| 21:39.54 | Raccoon1400 | RichiH: what are you doing where that is an issue? |
| 21:40.05 | krakrjak | RichiH: you can try using pv as a rate limited |
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| 21:41.21 | krakrjak | RichiH: pv -L $RATE in a pipeline. |
| 21:42.56 | RichiH | Raccoon1400: copying important data off of DVDs |
| 21:43.12 | RichiH | i hate dvds and i do not trust their data integrity |
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| 21:43.49 | phaedral | nsadmin: you were right, it was my MTA; exim4 came default for local only; just had to dpkg-reconfigure; thanks for the generous clues |
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| 21:45.00 | krakrjak | RichiH: so something like pv -L 1024k SRC_FILE > DEST_FILE |
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| 21:45.15 | Trewas | RichiH: there is setcd which can set the max speed for cd-rom drives, I am not sure if it works with DVDs... anyway the drive should slow down the speed automagically if it has problems reading it |
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| 21:47.31 | RichiH | krakrjak: i'll try, thanks |
| 21:47.55 | RichiH | Trewas: i know, but i still mistrust DVDs |
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| 21:49.30 | krakrjak | RichiH: you should. Especially DVDs that you burned. You might get 5-10 years. |
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| 21:50.17 | RichiH | krakrjak: they are about a month old |
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| 21:50.29 | RichiH | but i didn't burn them |
| 21:50.41 | dpierce | is there a text-based browser (a la elinks, w3m etc) that supports wml formatted pages? |
| 21:50.50 | RichiH | professional photos which i need to back up; the photographer only gave me dvds |
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| 21:51.20 | RichiH | dpierce: w3m and elinks2 try to overtake each other, feature-wise |
| 21:51.24 | RichiH | the rest is crap |
| 21:51.40 | RichiH | dpierce: there is an experimental Qt that supports text mode, thoguh |
| 21:52.34 | krakrjak | RichiH: it's not experimental. That Qt works great! I just don't know of many QtCore applications. |
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| 21:54.28 | RichiH | krakrjak: ah, k |
| 21:54.45 | RichiH | i suspect that there will be a few aplications, over time |
| 21:58.14 | dpierce | RichiH: i need something that can read sites like google.com/wml ... or at least convert them to html so i can have elinks pass them to that. |
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| 21:58.45 | dpierce | qt is great and all, but i have no gui. |-/ |
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| 21:59.39 | qop | heya |
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| 22:00.17 | RichiH | dpierce: there is a Qt mode that uses CLI |
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| 22:00.49 | qop | I am connected through a wireless router using eth on one of the ports, that router connects to the main one... I want to figure out the address of the first router that I am plugged to. traceroute? how can I find that out |
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| 22:04.06 | qop | and why is this place so silent today.. |
| 22:04.34 | Benkinooby | maybe some of you hang around in the ubuntu channel and have followed a problem of a user that complains about his monitor turning off ever 5 min or so... he disabled powermanagent and all kind of stuff... now i was wondering, where debian based system keep all their power configs... did some googling but nothing usable... i think some of them are in /etc/acpi but is there more? |
| 22:05.23 | Benkinooby | qop, i would have tried traceroute too |
| 22:05.38 | Benkinooby | qop, hopefully your router send replies to it |
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| 22:08.13 | phuzion | Where can I find a good place to get a sources.list so I can upgrade from 5.0.8 to current? |
| 22:08.35 | babilen | !tell phuzion -about release notes |
| 22:08.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell phuzion -about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:08.53 | ompaul | !lenny -> squeeze |
| 22:08.56 | ompaul | ohh |
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| 22:09.52 | babilen | phuzion: The process is detailed in the release notes and it is probably a good idea to follow them. (Mostly "What's new in Squeeze" and chapter 4) |
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| 22:17.03 | dpierce | RichiH: cool. i shall investigate further. thanks for the tip. |
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| 22:19.14 | xreal | I've just built a vanilla 3.0 kernel on my Squeeze. Funny thing: its named v3.0.0 - are the squeeze tools incompatible with the new version schemes? |
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| 22:19.50 | kgoetz | how did you build it? |
| 22:21.16 | xreal | kgoetz: 1 sec |
| 22:21.26 | xreal | fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-xreal kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 22:22.13 | kgoetz | in that case iyes, i suspect its a compatibility thing. you oculd try the kernels 'make deb-pkg' target and see if that give you joy |
| 22:22.30 | kgoetz | afaik make-kpkg is deprecated, or will be soon |
| 22:22.45 | xreal | kgoetz: oh okay. let's try deb-pkg |
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| 22:24.31 | qop | I am connected through a wireless router using eth on one of the ports, that router connects to the main one... I want to figure out the address of the first router that I am plugged to. traceroute? how can I find that out |
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| 22:25.11 | kgoetz | qop: mac address or ip address? |
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| 22:25.45 | Matic`Makovec | qop, if you're sure traceroute and watch the second hop |
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| 22:25.56 | qop | IP |
| 22:26.06 | qop | traceroute how? forgot :s |
| 22:26.12 | qop | all I get is ***** |
| 22:26.20 | qop | forgot the option |
| 22:26.49 | Benkinooby | qop: if you get **** iz means the hops do not respons properly... some supress the correct "report back" on traceroute |
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| 22:27.26 | Benkinooby | qop: i think traceroute IP is correct, but afaik you can not do anything about the ********** |
| 22:27.53 | qop | Benkinooby: :s |
| 22:28.36 | xreal | --revision is KDEB_PKGVERSION but what's --append ? |
| 22:28.38 | Benkinooby | qop: at least i think it's that way... maybe i'm telling you nonsens.... is a network wiz here to verfy my statement? |
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| 22:29.34 | gnarface | qop: you probably want -n so it doesn't try reverse lookups. then you know that when it spits *** at you that its not a dns timeout |
| 22:29.56 | Benkinooby | http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/IP/traceroutedoc.php qop |
| 22:30.21 | qop | gnarface: right, but that would be using hostname, IP should not be affected, right? |
| 22:30.46 | Benkinooby | quote : If the traceroute reaches that site fine, then chances are that you have connectivity to the host, but that the web server on that host crashed. But, if the packets start to die somewhere along the path, it's likely that some router along the way, or the host itself is down. Here is an example traceroute |
| 22:31.13 | gnarface | qop: no, that's reverse lookups on the hostnames of the hops, it has nothing to do with whether you use a ip or hostname for the target address |
| 22:31.21 | Benkinooby | Now an important thing to know when using traceroute is what the asterisks/stars mean. If you see traceroute print out a star instead of a round trip time, that means that either your probe packet got dropped, or the reply back to you for that probe got lost along the way. This is usually referred to as "packet loss," and we will discuss this later. |
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| 22:32.47 | xreal | Is this correct? fakeroot make -j 4 KDEB_PKGVERSION=3.0-xreal deb-pkg |
| 22:32.55 | kgoetz | xreal: in the kernels makefile? look at scripts/package/builddeb |
| 22:33.10 | kgoetz | afk for a it |
| 22:33.11 | xreal | kgoetz: did it already, there's only PKGVERSION |
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| 22:36.29 | qop | Benkinooby: gnarface: thanks |
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| 22:37.11 | Benkinooby | qop: so did you find a way to solver your problem? |
| 22:37.33 | qop | Benkinooby: nope... im going to try router's software... |
| 22:37.34 | babilen | makes everyone run "nproc" (get number of processors/perfect with -j) |
| 22:37.46 | freenodiz | hi...would you recommend me installing debian,in a separate partition to run as a server? also,i'm following this guide... http://www.alexatnet.com/content/debian-web-server-apache-php-and-mysql any comments about this link? |
| 22:38.19 | Benkinooby | clear |
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| 22:38.46 | ompaul | babilen: if I said 2 would you be happy ... my desktop is less powerful than my laptop |
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| 22:40.21 | xreal | Oh damn... the packages created by deb-pkg & make-kpkg have different sizes and both don't support the new kernel version scheme ... I hate this. |
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| 22:40.28 | freenodiz | cause the guy say is good to install debian in a VM in the link,but i tryed many times and i can't install it due to the lack of graphic memory of my computer :( |
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| 22:41.17 | beardy | You do NOT use the graphical installer. |
| 22:42.04 | babilen | xreal: I assume you are following http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html or? |
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| 22:42.31 | xreal | babilen: Yeah, they're all pretty similar. |
| 22:43.06 | freenodiz | ahh ok,i was talking about that i could install it once,but my graphic card couldn't support gnome desktop...u are right,if i just use the commands..i guess it will work...but then...no gnome : |
| 22:43.09 | freenodiz | :( |
| 22:43.12 | xreal | Seems like deb-pkg does initrd automatically? |
| 22:43.46 | freenodiz | guess i have to dig more and more with the command line.... |
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| 22:44.37 | freenodiz | actually,i felt in love with the command line...using drush to install modules,lol...i guess is a good oportunity to set this server only with putty!yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:45.12 | freenodiz | i mean,just with the debian prompt lol |
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| 22:46.07 | freenodiz | k,any tips for a good first guide for debian? |
| 22:46.16 | Bushmills | "graphic card couldn't support gnome desktop"? i thought hercules and cga cards have long since disappeared |
| 22:46.26 | gnarface | !manual |
| 22:46.26 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals and guides focusing on Debian, from a user perspective, the administrator's view, and others, see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
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| 22:47.07 | freenodiz | !reference |
| 22:47.07 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 22:48.32 | freenodiz | What about you guys personal opinion about versions?should i go for the latest one?I'm a bit towards using "old" software.... |
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| 22:49.56 | sixyearsofdreams | freenodiz: im running debian lenny |
| 22:50.01 | sixyearsofdreams | freenodiz: im satisfied :) |
| 22:50.13 | freenodiz | :) |
| 22:50.19 | sixyearsofdreams | or are u just asking for software |
| 22:50.32 | sixyearsofdreams | really depends on waht it is, simce im scuh a newb on linux, i tend to leave everything old way :D |
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| 22:50.40 | sixyearsofdreams | new stuff = headache sometimes haha |
| 22:50.40 | freenodiz | i am asking what u answered |
| 22:50.46 | sixyearsofdreams | oh ok :) |
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| 22:51.01 | freenodiz | so...hre we goooo!! |
| 22:51.06 | freenodiz | here* |
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| 22:51.13 | freenodiz | lol |
| 22:51.15 | sixyearsofdreams | lolz |
| 22:51.19 | sixyearsofdreams | here goes lenny? :D |
| 22:51.20 | noderunner | Norway shooter in full Freemason garb. That's why the cops took over an hour to show up to the island. http://www.moneyteachers.org/Masonic+Symbolism+Norway+Shooter.htm |
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| 22:51.59 | Some_Person | Can anyone help me? I can't remember how to access the config of my wifi bridge (WRT54GL running dd-wrt) |
| 22:52.06 | freenodiz | lenny benny be my henny ohhhh penny lenny |
| 22:52.16 | sixyearsofdreams | lol |
| 22:52.44 | freenodiz | ROFL |
| 22:52.46 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: and your not refering to the web config? like accessing wrt54 config via gateway? |
| 22:52.55 | Some_Person | I am referring to the web config |
| 22:53.04 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: whatever your default gateway is it should be it |
| 22:53.09 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: 192.168.0.1 |
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| 22:53.13 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:53.14 | Some_Person | My default gateway is the main router |
| 22:53.23 | Some_Person | I don't remember what the IP of the bridge is |
| 22:53.24 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: punch that ip into the address bar |
| 22:53.37 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: try either one i just gave you, 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:53.44 | Dramaturg | Can anyone give me a hint what to do? My WiFi does not see a certain network it used to see. iwlist scan does not see it either (but this network is broadcasting and im using it now) |
| 22:53.59 | Dramaturg | It does see other networks. |
| 22:54.00 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: how far is this ap ? is it yours? |
| 22:54.12 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: are you in controll of this AP at all that you can not see ? |
| 22:54.12 | Dramaturg | It's my. 5 meters. |
| 22:54.19 | nsadmin | Some_Person, the machine you'd contact the wireless thing from needs a route along the subnet it's on |
| 22:54.27 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: weird, can you see the network from another pc? have u tested that way |
| 22:54.45 | Some_Person | As I recall, you have to manually set the bridge's IP as the default gateway to access it. I tried both 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1, and got nothing |
| 22:54.46 | freenodiz | question to all:whats all about this ubuntu "fuzz" into linode.com servers....I know that debian is better and more stable,and robust.... |
| 22:54.50 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: just make sure your wireless configuration is correct |
| 22:55.02 | Dramaturg | Yes. Im using this network from another PC |
| 22:55.20 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: thats as far as i can help you, and im guessing your wanting to access it from debian? |
| 22:55.30 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: if its somethign driver wise in the os im poor at it |
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| 22:55.54 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: i have a router, and its default gateway is 192.168.0.1, for me to access the web config all i type is http://192.168.0.1 |
| 22:56.00 | Some_Person | nsadmin: this is basically my setup: [main router] ---------<wifi>---------[bridge]---------<ethernet>---------[computer] |
| 22:56.15 | nsadmin | actually... my linksys defaults to 192.168.1.254 |
| 22:56.27 | sixyearsofdreams | nsadmin: ok |
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| 22:56.27 | Benkinooby | hi, not sure if this is the right place... i played around with my .bashrc and my .Xdefaults and understood it the following way: i can set my colors by bashrc, but they would be overwritten by Xdefaults? |
| 22:56.30 | Some_Person | 192.168.1.254 is the main router |
| 22:56.34 | Dramaturg | sixyearsofdreams: And it used to connect (in the morning) | yeah and now I want to reconnect. But how it's possible it sees ALL other networks - just this one not? :-( |
| 22:56.46 | nsadmin | and on the front side of the main router would be your dsl or whatever |
| 22:56.49 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: restart the ap |
| 22:57.03 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: try that? try reconfiguring the wireless options aswell |
| 22:57.13 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: set another channel, and change ssid, and restart |
| 22:57.49 | nsadmin | Some_Person, so if you connect the ap, does your net fail? |
| 22:57.51 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: i apologize , you are trying to access bridge config or router? |
| 22:58.00 | sixyearsofdreams | nsadmin: he can not even see the ssid of this ap |
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| 22:58.09 | sixyearsofdreams | nsadmin: not anymore |
| 22:58.10 | Dramaturg | mh I havent changed the ssid. Will try it now. Thx |
| 22:58.19 | sixyearsofdreams | Dramaturg: change ssid, channel aswell |
| 22:58.20 | Some_Person | nsadmin: The main router is fine. The bridge is not acting as a repeater, just ethernet connections to the computers |
| 22:58.26 | Some_Person | sixyearsofdreams: bridge |
| 22:58.35 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: ok model again? sorry |
| 22:58.47 | Some_Person | The problem is that I changed the main router's SSID, so I need to set that in the bridge's config |
| 22:58.54 | Some_Person | It's a WRT54GL with dd-wrt installed |
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| 22:59.27 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: moment |
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| 22:59.48 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge |
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| 23:00.18 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: see if there is anything you can pick out of there :) im terrible with bridges |
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| 23:00.32 | Some_Person | I'll take a look |
| 23:00.39 | nsadmin | Some_Person, let me check something... |
| 23:00.47 | gnarface | Some_Person: how's that laptop hanging in there? |
| 23:01.01 | Some_Person | gnarface: just fine, thank you |
| 23:01.07 | gnarface | good to hear |
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| 23:02.17 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: wifi > bridge > ethernet |
| 23:02.30 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: this bridge you speak of is your router? |
| 23:02.52 | Some_Person | It's another router that I set up as a bridge |
| 23:03.08 | nsadmin | so my default for the router (when I reset it) is 192.168.1.254 |
| 23:03.34 | nsadmin | so what you might try... |
| 23:03.56 | nsadmin | is put the ap and one machine with a hub inbetween and try to contact it |
| 23:04.09 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: its actualy a good question for me too now lol.. now im curious how you would access that bridges config lol |
| 23:05.09 | Some_Person | The real problem is that I was an idiot when I set it up |
| 23:05.25 | Some_Person | I might have to just reset the darn thing and start over |
| 23:05.38 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: by knowing your bridges gateway you should be able to acces teh config |
| 23:05.44 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: thats as far as a i know |
| 23:06.02 | Some_Person | By making its IP on the same subnet as the rest of my network, I shouldn't need to remember |
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| 23:06.39 | nsadmin | that's true, but my question to start with is what is the ap's ip now |
| 23:06.59 | Some_Person | ap = main router or bridge? |
| 23:07.09 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: means access point |
| 23:07.12 | nsadmin | the wireless access point (ap) |
| 23:07.23 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: main one, whichever one is actualy transmiting wifi |
| 23:07.24 | Some_Person | that would be the main router here... 192.168.1.254 |
| 23:07.27 | nsadmin | or wap |
| 23:07.41 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: sure that could be correct |
| 23:07.49 | nsadmin | so the main router is the 54gl? |
| 23:07.55 | Some_Person | No |
| 23:08.01 | Some_Person | The bridge is the 54GL |
| 23:08.07 | sixyearsofdreams | which one is the main router |
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| 23:08.47 | Some_Person | The main router is an AT&T/2WIRE Residential Gateway |
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| 23:09.06 | sixyearsofdreams | Some_Person: like a modem/router type thing? |
| 23:09.12 | Some_Person | yes |
| 23:09.18 | sixyearsofdreams | its a wifi modem together |
| 23:09.19 | sixyearsofdreams | i see |
| 23:09.34 | sixyearsofdreams | so default gateway for that is .254? |
| 23:09.38 | Some_Person | yes |
| 23:09.40 | sixyearsofdreams | 192.168.1.254 |
| 23:09.50 | sixyearsofdreams | and we dont know default gateway for 54l? |
| 23:09.59 | Some_Person | correct |
| 23:10.07 | Some_Person | which is why I'm about to reset it |
| 23:10.23 | sixyearsofdreams | hehe |
| 23:10.24 | sixyearsofdreams | wait |
| 23:10.26 | sixyearsofdreams | :) |
| 23:10.36 | sixyearsofdreams | there has to be a way for us to see its default gateway |
| 23:10.49 | sixyearsofdreams | but it was said its 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:11.01 | Some_Person | I tried those, didn't seem to work |
| 23:11.28 | sixyearsofdreams | what you can do |
| 23:11.30 | sixyearsofdreams | real quickly |
| 23:11.35 | sixyearsofdreams | try plugin the 54gl |
| 23:11.44 | sixyearsofdreams | straight to your pc, and then connect to it |
| 23:11.54 | sixyearsofdreams | or just plug it into 1 pc, and see what gateway shows there |
| 23:11.56 | sixyearsofdreams | u get me? |
| 23:11.57 | Some_Person | How do you think any machine connects to it? |
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| 23:12.18 | Some_Person | It pushes 192.168.1.254 is the default gateway, so it can access the rest of the network |
| 23:12.19 | sixyearsofdreams | very true |
| 23:12.50 | Some_Person | The (stupid) way I have it set up is that you have to manually override that to get to the config |
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| 23:13.31 | sixyearsofdreams | my manual would be connecting the 54gl alone withnothing else to network and then access it heh |
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| 23:13.39 | sixyearsofdreams | im a bit outdated at this :/ sorry mate if im no help lo |
| 23:13.50 | nsadmin | Some_Person, do you have a spare working hub? |
| 23:13.56 | Some_Person | nsadmin: No spare hubs |
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| 23:14.10 | nsadmin | crossover cable? |
| 23:14.22 | Some_Person | no |
| 23:14.53 | Some_Person | I don't think a crossover cable would help -- the WAN port is configured to be another LAN port |
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| 23:15.40 | nsadmin | hmm. can you take the ap and one machine by themselves and connect an eth from the machine to the ap's wan port? |
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| 23:16.04 | Some_Person | ap meaning which router? |
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| 23:16.20 | nsadmin | ok... let's back up. |
| 23:16.29 | nsadmin | we need names for everything |
| 23:16.37 | Some_Person | agreed |
| 23:17.03 | nsadmin | how many machines do you have on your lan? |
| 23:17.33 | Some_Person | currently on? or just connected |
| 23:17.56 | nsadmin | well we at least want all the relevent machines |
| 23:18.23 | nsadmin | you have the modem/2wire thing, we can call that 2wure |
| 23:18.52 | nsadmin | then you have one (?) linksys wireless ap? |
| 23:18.54 | Some_Person | 2 machines are connected via ethernet to the 2wire, 2 via wifi to the 2wire, and 1 via ethernet to the 54GL (which has no connection to the 2wire due to the changed SSID) |
| 23:19.12 | Some_Person | (that only counts machines that are functioning right now) |
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| 23:20.32 | Some_Person | I could change the SSID back on the 2wire to get the 54GL functioning normally if it would help |
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| 23:24.03 | Some_Person | are you still there? |
| 23:24.14 | Some_Person | nsadmin? |
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| 23:26.42 | nsadmin | is back from kitchen stuff |
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| 23:28.32 | nsadmin | Some_Person, correct me if I'm wrong: we don't know the ip of the 54gl? |
| 23:28.43 | Some_Person | correct |
| 23:29.08 | nsadmin | ok, are there two such devices functioning as a bridge? |
| 23:29.15 | Some_Person | no |
| 23:29.16 | Some_Person | just one |
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| 23:30.05 | jmmills | Was wondering if anyone had a second to help me figure out how I'm suppose to handle postinst actions when building a debian package |
| 23:30.40 | jmmills | Using dh-make-perl as a skel then building a perl package that I want to have a directory copied after install from |
| 23:30.44 | daemonkeeper | jmmills: Ask straight ahead, but notice #debian-mentors on OFTC is generally supposed tor your questions. |
| 23:30.53 | daemonkeeper | *for |
| 23:30.58 | jmmills | okay, I'll try there first then |
| 23:31.19 | jmmills | oh, not on freenode |
| 23:31.25 | daemonkeeper | No, OFTC |
| 23:31.40 | daemonkeeper | (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 23:31.48 | laidback_01 | Oh.. Fsck That Channel |
| 23:32.06 | jmmills | I just defaulted to here since I'm already on freenode :) |
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| 23:32.10 | nsadmin | FTC? |
| 23:32.26 | jmmills | I'm just confused as to if "postinst" is suppose to be a make target in 'rules' or if it's suppose to be a script |
| 23:32.29 | daemonkeeper | Free Technology Community |
| 23:32.40 | jmmills | Never make a .deb before :) |
| 23:32.43 | jmmills | made |
| 23:32.58 | daemonkeeper | jmmills: Maintainer scripts, are, well, scripts. |
| 23:33.08 | daemonkeeper | Posix compliant sh scripts to be precise. |
| 23:33.27 | jmmills | inside the debain/ dir? as chmod +x postinst? |
| 23:33.59 | daemonkeeper | Yes. dpkg will execute them as defined in in §6.5 |
| 23:33.59 | jmmills | just need to cp a daemontools service directory to /etc/service after install :) so pretty a lightweight script |
| 23:34.11 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-mscriptsinstact |
| 23:34.20 | nsadmin | so you';re packaging daemontools? |
| 23:34.26 | jmmills | ah, thanks. that's pretty close to how gentoo does it with the difference that ebuild's just call bash functions |
| 23:34.27 | themill | daemonkeeper: (file /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.preinst) |
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| 23:34.51 | daemonkeeper | themill: Good pointer. |
| 23:35.03 | jmmills | nsadmin, no, I have a service that uses daemontools for process management and logging so the package is dep on daemontools, daemontools is a dep I just want to actually install the service directory |
| 23:35.15 | Some_Person | nsadmin: Should I just reset the darn thing? |
| 23:35.22 | jmmills | it's for a client whom can't perform even simple post install actions |
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| 23:35.30 | daemonkeeper | themill: You are right, it is not specified they /have/ to be shell scripts, only that thy have to start with a correct #! line. Indeed. |
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| 23:35.31 | themill | daemonkeeper: you are of course correct that most are posix shell scripts. Some are bash and some are perl and some are even compiled just for extra amusement. |
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| 23:36.08 | nsadmin | well that would certainly be one way of going about this... and, you might end up with an IP conflict if the device resets the ip to .254 |
| 23:37.01 | Some_Person | nsadmin: No it wouldn't -- it wouldn't by default connect to another router of a new SSID |
| 23:37.32 | Some_Person | It would try to use the WAN port, which is currently connected to a normal computer that is turned off |
| 23:37.35 | nsadmin | you don't have to reset it tho, if you can get it by itself with one other machine in what can be called a test jig |
| 23:37.47 | Some_Person | That's essentially how I have it |
| 23:38.12 | nsadmin | oh ok, what os is on the connected (but off?) computer? |
| 23:38.25 | Some_Person | There is one connected and on computer running XP |
| 23:38.43 | Some_Person | There are 4 other machines connected but turned off |
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| 23:39.19 | daemonkeeper | themill: Although I'd argue a binary is not a script. At least in my understanding, However policy clearly states "They must be proper executable files; if they are scripts (which is recommended)" |
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| 23:40.13 | nsadmin | I'm still having trouble with the details... the 54gl, is a linksys? and there are other computers connected by wire? |
| 23:40.38 | nsadmin | to the non-wan ports? |
| 23:41.12 | Some_Person | Hold on, I'll make a diagram |
| 23:41.43 | nsadmin | ok, neet to wander arount for a few mins |
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| 23:42.52 | joe6 | i am trying to patch a file based on an old file: http://pastebin.com/Tug9540Y |
| 23:42.55 | joe6 | is there any way that I can get more details out of patch? |
| 23:43.07 | joe6 | i tried --verbose, which is not that helpful |
| 23:43.31 | joe6 | and the .rej file does not have any helpful info |
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| 23:44.16 | daemonkeeper | joe6: You can try to increase fuzziness (-F), but generally: no way to do this. |
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| 23:44.27 | daemonkeeper | joe6: patches are not designed to work that way. |
| 23:44.44 | joe6 | oh, ok. thanks. |
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| 23:48.49 | joe6 | this is the patch file: http://pastebin.com/ZvAVjZg3 |
| 23:48.57 | joe6 | can I make it to a context diff? |
| 23:49.29 | daemonkeeper | joe6: You do already. Its the lines with(-out) +/-. |
| 23:50.08 | joe6 | oh, ok. this is what i get with -F 3 : http://pastebin.com/q9P7Zisx |
| 23:50.49 | nsadmin | Some_Person, back... if it's helpful you could use something like dia to make the diagram |
| 23:51.06 | daemonkeeper | joe6: Your problem is not the patch, but its time variability. Patches highlight differences between two files which obviously requires the original file to be unchanged. Yours was changed in the mean time, so all you can do is to apply it manually and make sure it matches potential API changes. |
| 23:51.27 | joe6 | oh, ok. thanks. |
| 23:52.08 | daemonkeeper | Yours seems trivially. Just try to find offsets manually. |
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| 23:53.49 | wrtiii | does debian offer a 64 bit version? |
| 23:54.07 | lanze_so4 | y |
| 23:54.14 | daemonkeeper | wrtiii: Several! |
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| 23:54.57 | wrtiii | Debian allows you root access right? What the hell is with ubuntu locking you out of root by default... |
| 23:56.01 | nsadmin | that's irrelevent... you can easily have root access on a ubuntu if you're a sudoer |
| 23:56.03 | daemonkeeper | wrtiii: Well, you surely notices you can just do "sudo passwd root" ... |
| 23:56.21 | daemonkeeper | *noticed |
| 23:56.27 | wrtiii | Yes I realize this. |
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| 23:56.41 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 23:56.54 | wrtiii | I am just apalled that by default they do not provide root access |
| 23:57.06 | daemonkeeper | So its a silly argument to change to Debian, if that's the only reason. Not there would be something wrong to change to Debian. |
| 23:57.08 | nsadmin | so, would it be fair to say your question is invalid or at least misstated? |
| 23:57.31 | wrtiii | I don't know maybe I am just a little crazy but the whole idea just kind of disgusts me with that distro |
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| 23:58.38 | ragnar76 | i just want to install xorg for propper settings using "Xorg -configure", i got a xorg.conf but when i start i get an error "(EE) [drm] failed to open device". what could be wrong? |
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| 23:59.21 | Some_Person | nsadmin: hopefully this clears things up, and you can see all the retro machines I have: http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6461/networka.png |
| 23:59.23 | nsadmin | wrtiii, well if you're disgusted, you should try something else (I mean, I guess) |
