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| 00:07.07 | Derpadong | Is wicd better than networkmanager? |
| 00:07.50 | abrotman | it can be, worth a try |
| 00:08.07 | Bop | Derpadong, its simpler |
| 00:08.10 | Derpadong | networkmanager is making me angry at startup lol |
| 00:08.14 | Bop | alot simpler |
| 00:08.35 | Derpadong | Bop, your nick reminds me of cowboy bebop |
| 00:08.37 | Derpadong | Lol |
| 00:08.46 | Bop | i've heard |
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| 00:09.20 | Bop | also , there's a toy called "bop it" |
| 00:09.29 | Jayro | Hello, can anyone help me with this? (look near buttom) http://pastebin.com/3V5TQqX1 |
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| 00:10.10 | th0r | Jayro: well, that link doesn't work |
| 00:10.14 | systemclient | if I want to build a non-native package out of a orig.tar.gz, how do I have to format my debian/install? Usually, I create a app.jar in the main dir, but dh_install cannot find debian/tmp/app.jar |
| 00:10.27 | Jayro | th0r, yes it doe.s |
| 00:10.39 | Jayro | http://pastebin.com/3V5TQqX1 |
| 00:11.48 | th0r | Jayro: yeah...second time it worked, first time it gave me a captcha |
| 00:12.01 | Jayro | thor, ahh. well any idea |
| 00:12.01 | Jayro | ? |
| 00:12.07 | Derpadong | lol |
| 00:12.42 | Craigwd_2000 | I heard all of the talk about /etc/wpasupplicant.conf last night... That driver problem sounds a heck of a lot like my issues with the ath9k Kernel Module...: i.e. I can connect to unencrypted Wi-Fi networks but if they're secured with either 128-Bit WEP or WPA/PSK then I can't connect at all/reliably... |
| 00:12.47 | th0r | Jayro: I am not an nvidia expert, there are some here at times. But it looks like it cannot replace the existing drivers because (I assume) they are being used at present. |
| 00:13.07 | Jayro | yes, and working, SO how do i make it forget about it? |
| 00:13.21 | Percoles | Guys... I need help... I need more lines in console buffer |
| 00:13.53 | abrotman | you already said that |
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| 00:14.18 | th0r | Craigwd_2000: I have never had much luck with wpa in linux. but yesterday I found this page and will try it if I run into the situation again. It involves using ifup/ifdown instead of nm or wicd, but worth a shot....http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/HOW_TO_install_the_Broadcom_bcm43xx_Driver_in_Debian_Linux_and_enable_WPA_Encryption |
| 00:15.26 | Jayro | thor, yes, and working, SO how do i make it forget about it? |
| 00:15.47 | th0r | Jayro: I am afraid I have no idea....never had an nvidia card so never worked with it |
| 00:15.58 | abrotman | th0r: i've used wl with WPA |
| 00:16.14 | Jayro | th0r, well this is more of a apt thing, how do i make it forgot all about installing the new package? |
| 00:16.31 | th0r | abrotman: I just compiled wl today. Haven't installed it yet as b43 seems to be working, but have it filed away in case i need it |
| 00:16.55 | th0r | Jayro: you can lock the version in synaptic so no update is attempted |
| 00:17.27 | Jayro | ill try it. |
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| 00:21.35 | abrotman | th0r: gotcha |
| 00:21.56 | Jayro | anyone know how I can disable the system beep when trying to backspace in an empty feild? |
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| 00:25.48 | devil_ | Jayro: blacklist snd-pcsp in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf |
| 00:26.10 | Jayro | devil_, thanks |
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| 00:27.01 | Jayro | devil_, it was already blacklisted : |
| 00:27.01 | Jayro | :S |
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| 00:27.14 | devil_ | heh |
| 00:27.14 | DexterF | jhutchins_wk: you = jhutchins_It..? |
| 00:27.40 | Jayro | devil_, so whatta i do? |
| 00:27.47 | devil_ | Jayro: you can also disable pcspkr in alsamixer |
| 00:27.56 | Jayro | alrighty! |
| 00:27.57 | Jayro | thanks |
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| 00:30.19 | Jayro | devil_, that isnt an option? |
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| 00:30.51 | devil_ | Jayro: hm, should be |
| 00:31.05 | Jayro | there is master and pcm. |
| 00:31.30 | devil_ | Jayro: onkly those 2? i got like 15 in alsamixer |
| 00:31.47 | Jayro | devil_, yeah i do on my other pc aswell. |
| 00:31.47 | devil_ | well, i gotta run, its really late |
| 00:31.59 | Jayro | cya |
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| 00:39.29 | systemclient | how can I install a .deb from a file and resolve all deps via the standard repo? |
| 00:39.39 | systemclient | dpkg -i just fails |
| 00:39.39 | dpkg | installs just fails into systemclient's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | systemclient: use aptitude .. like a sane person |
| 00:40.07 | systemclient | abrotman: aptitude install mypack.deb? |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | no .. i didn't say that |
| 00:40.28 | systemclient | the package is not in the debian repo, I just created it |
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| 00:41.10 | abrotman | does it have dependencies? |
| 00:41.40 | systemclient | jep, default-jre |
| 00:42.01 | abrotman | what, why? there are like 10 JREs in Debian already |
| 00:42.04 | sethrd | Hey guys. Seem to be having a bit of an issue with a Squeeze install on my D430 laptop. acpi seems to think my CPU is running at 68 degrees celcius, and I've noticed my fans haven't turned on once. I'm barely able to sit the thing on my lap. Any ideas? |
| 00:42.08 | Arrowmaster | systemclient: you can use gdebi |
| 00:42.25 | systemclient | abrotman: my program uses default-jre, it is a java program, not another jre |
| 00:42.36 | systemclient | Arrowmaster: anything for the terminal perhaps? |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | oh, that is the dependency |
| 00:42.47 | abrotman | systemclient: aptitude install <yourpackage> |
| 00:42.51 | Arrowmaster | you can run gdebi from the terminal |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | he doesn't need to |
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| 00:44.16 | systemclient | abrotman: if I do aptitude install ....deb it suggests that I do not install default-jre and remove the package (which is not even installed) |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | i didn't say that |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | what is the name of your package |
| 00:44.42 | systemclient | jscribble |
| 00:44.48 | systemclient | it is in no repo yet |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | that's great |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | systemclient: aptitude install jscribble |
| 00:45.13 | systemclient | I'm building the package, I am just testing whether it installs cleanly before uploadng it |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | you've already done the dpkg -i, right ? |
| 00:45.34 | systemclient | abrotman: nope, that failed because there is no jre installed |
| 00:45.41 | DexterF | how do I best upgrade from stable to testing |
| 00:45.51 | systemclient | DexterF: change /etc/apt/sources |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | !tell DexterF about squeeze->wheezy |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | systemclient: wrong .. don't tell him that |
| 00:46.17 | abrotman | systemclient: so if you now 'aptitude install jscribble' .. what is the first thing it suggests, and what is the second ? |
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| 00:46.21 | systemclient | abrotman: sry |
| 00:46.33 | systemclient | abrotman: the first thing is to install my package and the jre, just perfect I think |
| 00:47.16 | systemclient | abrotman: what is wrong with editiong sources.list? |
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| 00:47.40 | abrotman | that isn't always the case .. |
| 00:47.51 | DexterF | and how is it different from what dpkg tells me, apart from removing backports lines? |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | DexterF: right now it's the same .. it may not be next week |
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| 00:52.39 | sethrd | ~!tell sethrd about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 00:52.42 | sethrd | !tell sethrd about squeeze->wheezy |
| 00:52.48 | abrotman | !tell sethrd about selftell |
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| 01:00.56 | student | hey i have a question i want to compile a new kernel how can i put my own name on the kernel? |
| 01:01.39 | DexterF | that's a config option |
| 01:01.52 | student | how? |
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| 01:02.03 | Chat8749 | ÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙÙ |
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| 01:02.40 | DexterF | somewhere in the kerenl config.. haven't done that in years, sorry. |
| 01:02.47 | DexterF | *kernel even |
| 01:02.53 | student | lol |
| 01:02.55 | student | someone else? |
| 01:02.57 | student | that can help me? |
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| 01:03.46 | abrotman | !kernel mantra |
| 01:03.46 | dpkg | i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 01:04.10 | student | nice |
| 01:04.14 | student | ty abrotman |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | bye |
| 01:04.28 | student | abrotman, that allows me to change the kernel name?> |
| 01:04.50 | Dewi | this popcon graph intrigues me. http://bit.ly/mWA1fg |
| 01:04.57 | Dewi | what happened to make git explode in popularity 1 year ago? |
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| 01:05.05 | DexterF | student: --append-to-version is what you're after |
| 01:05.20 | student | oh ok |
| 01:05.22 | student | got it |
| 01:05.22 | student | ;) |
| 01:05.37 | DexterF | man I *really* haven't doen this in years.... ah, back then... |
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| 01:06.02 | abrotman | DexterF: remember when you had time to do silly things like change the kernel version string? :) |
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| 01:07.01 | Bop | babilen, u there ? |
| 01:07.08 | DexterF | abrotman: on Slackware I always fumbled with the scripts anyway so why not jam a new kernel through them when it was out... even if I did not *need* a new one, which was usually the case... |
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| 01:08.02 | themill | Dewi: renaming the "git-core" package to "git" probably helped the popularity of that particular package name. |
| 01:08.04 | Bop | what's that bash command to see some kernel module ? |
| 01:08.15 | DexterF | lsmod |
| 01:08.17 | Bop | lspci -knn | ???? |
| 01:08.26 | Bop | babilen, had a great command |
| 01:09.17 | DexterF | upgrading to wheezy takes a Cray to calc the deps.. |
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| 01:09.48 | abrotman | Bop: lspci -k ? |
| 01:10.01 | Bop | not that part , but the filter part with grep |
| 01:10.21 | themill | DexterF: that's usually a sign you should do a "full-upgrade" rather than a "safe-upgrade" (and possibly use apt-get rather than aptitude) |
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| 01:11.43 | DexterF | themill: uh huh |
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| 01:11.47 | abrotman | Bop: oh .. uh .. |
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| 01:12.23 | Bop | he had a like that grep use A1 parameter but can exclude the line of match |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | Bop: just "grep Kernel" ? |
| 01:12.29 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:14.06 | DexterF | themill: "invalid operation full-upgrade" |
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| 01:14.23 | abrotman | DexterF: dist-upgrade |
| 01:14.24 | themill | DexterF: man apt-get |
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| 01:24.01 | sythe | HELLO! |
| 01:24.13 | sythe | Which version of Debian has KDE? |
| 01:24.23 | mosno | sythe, packages.debian.org |
| 01:24.27 | sythe | KDE's stable release, in the repos |
| 01:24.40 | sythe | I couldn't find any shipping with KDE 4.7 |
| 01:25.18 | mosno | sythe, debian packaging policies are typically stricter than many other distros, so upstream stuff gets in slower |
| 01:25.29 | sythe | That sucks |
| 01:25.29 | mosno | sythe, afaik |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | judd: versions kdebase-bin |
| 01:25.34 | judd | Package kdebase-bin on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; sid: 4:4.6.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.5-1 |
| 01:25.36 | sythe | So...it'd be in Fedora? |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | sythe: ask #fedora |
| 01:25.45 | mosno | sythe, if you want up-to-date, use Arch |
| 01:25.51 | sythe | I don't want Arch, thanks |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | sythe: we can only tell you about Debian |
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| 01:26.45 | sythe | Ok |
| 01:26.47 | sythe | Got it |
| 01:26.57 | sythe | When will it be in Debian's repos? ETA? |
| 01:26.58 | mosno | sythe, just out of curiosity, howcome you don't like Arch? |
| 01:27.02 | sythe | 1 week? |
| 01:27.06 | abrotman | mosno: offtopic |
| 01:27.11 | sythe | mosno: My DEBs won't work |
| 01:27.12 | mosno | abrotman, ok, sorry. |
| 01:27.14 | sythe | lol |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | sythe: when the KDE team feel it is ready to go into unstable |
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| 01:27.26 | sythe | So...when? |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | sythe: a week? a month? a year? when they feel it's ready |
| 01:27.42 | mosno | sythe, can i pm you |
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| 01:28.00 | abrotman | sythe: you could check the debian-kde mailing list perhaps |
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| 01:28.24 | abrotman | sythe: or email them |
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| 01:29.30 | sythe | abrotman: A year?! Really?! |
| 01:29.38 | abrotman | sythe: who knows .. ask them people in charge |
| 01:29.41 | sythe | mosno: PM me |
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| 01:30.20 | abrotman | sythe: email the debian-kde mailing list, ask them when they anticipate having it completed |
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| 01:30.44 | abrotman | sythe: also, it's only been out four days .. including a weekend .. seriously .. be patient |
| 01:30.46 | sythe | I see |
| 01:30.53 | sythe | Well...Arch has it |
| 01:30.56 | sythe | Heh |
| 01:30.57 | pidgeon1 | did i pick the wrong server to talk about a new wheezy install? |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | good for them .. go use arch if you care so much about kde 4.7 |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | pidgeon1: nope, this is a great place |
| 01:31.31 | pidgeon1 | abrotman: good.... thanks |
| 01:31.37 | pidgeon1 | I need some help .... well, advice |
| 01:31.39 | arai1 | Whats the recommended IPSec implementation for using on Debian to handle a bunch of Windows 7 based roadwarriors? |
| 01:31.41 | pidgeon1 | :-/ |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | arai1: isn't it openswan/strongswan ? |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | pidgeon1: so just ask your real questoin |
| 01:32.34 | pidgeon1 | I have Debian Sqeeze (?) w/ LXDE on my old thinkpad laptop but I want xfce and was thinking of installing the weekly build so i can have a newer kernel |
| 01:32.53 | pidgeon1 | will this work? |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | pidgeon1: have you seen backports.debian.org ? |
| 01:33.04 | pidgeon1 | i have the live cd iso on a usb stick |
| 01:33.11 | pidgeon1 | created with unetbootin |
| 01:33.14 | Dewi | pidgeon1: why do you need a newer kernel? |
| 01:33.19 | pidgeon1 | abrotman: i have seen it before |
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| 01:33.48 | abrotman | pidgeon1: same kernel there as the weekly build |
| 01:33.51 | pidgeon1 | Dewl: i don't know... to be up to date |
| 01:33.52 | pidgeon1 | ? |
| 01:34.04 | abrotman | pidgeon1: does the kernel in squeeze work fine? |
| 01:34.08 | pidgeon1 | oh, it was wheezy |
| 01:34.23 | arai1 | abrotman: I started there, but was having serious problems getting strongswan to work. In checking the Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/IPsec) I got the idea that Kame was slightly better supported. |
| 01:34.31 | pidgeon1 | well, i get a lot of messages when i first boot up.... takes longer....udev msgs plus others |
| 01:34.38 | abrotman | arai1: well, if it works .. |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | pidgeon1: does the kernel work fine? |
| 01:34.45 | arai1 | abrotman: It doesn't |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | arai1: i meant kame |
| 01:34.59 | arai1 | abrotman: No idea if it will or not. |
| 01:35.06 | pidgeon1 | abrotman: how would i know? |
| 01:35.08 | Dewi | pidgeon1: squeeze is considered up to date, in that it's the newest stable thing |
| 01:35.10 | arai1 | Figured I'd ask here before blowing a few hours on it |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | arai1: i've never used it |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | pidgeon1: does it crash? does some of your hardware break? |
| 01:35.24 | pidgeon1 | oh |
| 01:35.30 | arai1 | abrotman: Who has? |
| 01:35.32 | Dewi | pidgeon1: there are various ways to dip into newer stuff as needed but you're sacrificing simplicity / stability |
| 01:35.45 | arai1 | abrotman: No offense, but I'd rather get advice from someone in the know :-p |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | arai1: i'd email debian-user list |
| 01:36.01 | pidgeon1 | well, i want to buy some bluetooth hardware and i was told i might need a newer kernel...what about that? |
| 01:36.18 | pidgeon1 | current kernel: 2.6.32 |
| 01:36.38 | Dewi | pidgeon1: as abrotman says, you can plug a newer kernel into stable/squeeze quite easily |
| 01:36.51 | pidgeon1 | Dewl: how? |
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| 01:37.07 | pidgeon1 | I've only installed the liquorix kernel... i don't know the other ways... |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | pidgeon1: backports.debian.org .. i already told you |
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| 01:37.14 | arai1 | abrotman: I think I'll try #strongswan for now |
| 01:37.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:37.58 | pidgeon1 | abrotman: oh... for compiling the kernel? sorry, maybe I'm confused |
| 01:38.19 | abrotman | no, there is a .39 kernel there .. you said you knew about backports.debian.org .. why did you mislead me? |
| 01:38.44 | pidgeon1 | I didn't mean to.... I haven't used backports.debian.org much |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | why did you say you knew about it? |
| 01:38.57 | Dewi | pidgeon1: they are prebuilt images |
| 01:39.01 | Bushmills | pidgeon1: i was using "some" bluetooth hardware with linux 10 years ago, so it very much depends on what hardware you get |
| 01:39.21 | pidgeon1 | Dewl: is there a how-to for upgrading the kernel using backports? |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | on backports.debian.org .. go read the website |
| 01:39.37 | pidgeon1 | i looked once and shrugged my shoulders and used liquorix instead |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | so you know nothing about backports.debian.org |
| 01:40.11 | pidgeon1 | Bushmills: well, i was probably going to buy on ebay or get a cheap one locally... i don't know how to tell what hardware is in it |
| 01:40.45 | Bushmills | get some which is supported. |
| 01:40.56 | Dewi | pidgeon1: you add the source, install the package, like any other package |
| 01:41.17 | Dewi | pidgeon1: instructions are there |
| 01:41.48 | Bushmills | if 2.6.32 doesn't support it, chances that a more recent kernel does aren't that much higher, given that bluetooth isn't that much in transition now |
| 01:42.27 | red_rail | pidgeon1: google for a paste of a sources.list file and paste it into yours then apt-get update |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | red_rail: don't tell him that |
| 01:42.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:42.41 | red_rail | pidgeon1: just take a look at the sources |
| 01:42.44 | abrotman | red_rail: don't ever tell anyone that |
| 01:42.51 | red_rail | and dont add test servers |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | red_rail: STOP |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | red_rail: what if he gets sources for Ubuntu? or Stormix? |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | stupid idea |
| 01:43.45 | red_rail | lol.. well i figured he'd put into google, souces.list debian squeeze, or his version.. did i assume too much? |
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| 01:44.22 | abrotman | red_rail: don't assume, that's a horrible thing to tell someone |
| 01:44.40 | red_rail | abrotman: thats how i got my sources lol |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | doesn't make it the right way .. |
| 01:44.53 | red_rail | it makes it a way that works |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | red_rail: he never said his sources didn't work |
| 01:45.02 | Dewi | red_rail: no it doesn't |
| 01:45.04 | Shinka | Somebody has an idea when Gnome3 will hit Debian Testing ? |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | red_rail: it worked for you .. you were lucky |
| 01:45.12 | Dewi | red_rail: I might open random bottles and drink them and not die |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | !tell Shinka about gnome3 |
| 01:45.13 | pidgeon1 | well, shouldn't i re-install? |
| 01:45.22 | abrotman | pidgeon1: why? wtf .. you don't have to do anything |
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| 01:45.28 | pidgeon1 | I wanted to change my DE to xfce |
| 01:45.38 | abrotman | people like red_rail give out horrible advice and confuse people ... and then think they have to reinstall .. yay |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | pidgeon1: so just change it |
| 01:45.53 | red_rail | abrotman: you hit the nail on the head.. lolz |
| 01:45.54 | Dewi | pidgeon1: aptitude install xfce |
| 01:46.08 | Dewi | pidgeon1: or... I think it has a 4 in the name |
| 01:46.10 | pidgeon1 | but, then i'll have two de's? |
| 01:46.20 | abrotman | so uninstall the one you dn't use after the other one works |
| 01:46.24 | pidgeon1 | what about apt-get install xfce? |
| 01:46.33 | pidgeon1 | oh |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | pidgeon1: use aptitude |
| 01:46.43 | pidgeon1 | oh ok |
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| 01:46.52 | pidgeon1 | i guess it couldn't hurt |
| 01:46.54 | Dewi | pidgeon1: it's fine to have 2 DEs, but only one will start on boot |
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| 01:46.57 | pidgeon1 | abrotman: why? |
| 01:47.03 | Craigwd_2000 | I finally figured out/got my firmware issues sorted. I DLed, unpacked & installed the two relevant firmware debs from the folder on the Master US Debian FTP Server... Aptitude/apt-get/apt/dpkg all seem to think (at least on my particular PC laptop) that all of the standard issue Debian firmware packages don't exist so this is a bug that really needs to squashed before it affects more people that try to use AMD64 Debian Linux on |
| 01:47.03 | Craigwd_2000 | other Paviilion dv6zs like mine... |
| 01:47.15 | mallery | How important is keyring? the password encryption tool.... What if I deactivate it? unsecure ?? |
| 01:47.20 | pidgeon1 | dewl: i just change the setting to choose the one i want to boot, right? |
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| 01:50.43 | pidgeon1 | maybe i'll try those... if i screw things up, i can re-install :) |
| 01:50.53 | Philips14 | good night. someone can help me to setup my server? |
| 01:50.54 | pidgeon1 | but, if i re-install, install grub in mbr, right? |
| 01:51.00 | Bushmills | "aptitude thinks that firmware doesn't exist" is unluckily not a problem which can be tackeled easily |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | Bushmills: i suspect it was a configuration issue ... |
| 01:51.21 | abrotman | Philips14: just ask your real question |
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| 01:52.03 | pidgeon1 | why should i use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 01:52.35 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 01:52.35 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 01:52.41 | pidgeon1 | sorry, just more familiar with apt-get |
| 01:52.49 | Bushmills | abrotman: yes, but what configuration? virgin sources file? non-free firmware? |
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| 01:53.15 | abrotman | Bushmills: he didn't say .. and i doubt i'd get much more information from the claimant |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | pidgeon1: aptitude is almost the same |
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| 01:53.44 | Philips14 | abrotman: i can't configure the OS for the hardware. i'm look for a way to identify the hardware and choose the best OS. |
| 01:53.52 | Bushmills | therefore ... "can't be tackeled easily" :D |
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| 01:53.59 | abrotman | Philips14: this channel is for Debian support |
| 01:54.03 | pidgeon1 | i like synaptic package manager, too... what's your thoughts? |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | Bushmills: yeah .. so just random packages fixed it ... |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | pidgeon1: i don't use it |
| 01:54.15 | pidgeon1 | i just like the visual presentation of what can be installed |
| 01:55.59 | pidgeon1 | can i use both? i am sure that question has been asked before ;) |
| 01:56.18 | Bushmills | pidgeon1: better don't |
| 01:56.55 | pidgeon1 | why? |
| 01:57.14 | pidgeon1 | what if it's 90% aptitude v.s. 10% apt-get? :) |
| 01:57.15 | Bushmills | aptitude may install package you have just removed with pidgin, or vice versa |
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| 01:57.32 | Bushmills | sorr. with synaptic ... |
| 01:57.51 | pidgeon1 | oh |
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| 01:59.26 | Bushmills | though that's less the case with aptitude / apt-get mix, it's probably still better to stick to one installer frontned |
| 01:59.27 | Bushmills | end |
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| 02:03.20 | pidgeon1 | how do you use it? |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | use what? |
| 02:04.37 | Bushmills | generally, to use "it" you put "it" into a functional conditiion, then interact with "it" one way or the other |
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| 02:07.13 | pidgeon1 | aptitude package installer not installed by default? |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | you can install it if it's not |
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| 02:10.32 | pidgeon1 | oh, it's installed but older version |
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| 02:11.11 | Bushmills | there's only one version in and for stable |
| 02:11.42 | Bushmills | with debian, at least |
| 02:12.07 | abrotman | what the hell .. |
| 02:12.46 | pidgeon1 | 0.4.11 is installed but 0.6.3 is the latest |
| 02:13.01 | Bushmills | ,versions aptitude |
| 02:13.03 | judd | Package aptitude on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.11.11-1~lenny1; squeeze: 0.6.3-3.2; wheezy: 0.6.3-4; sid: 0.6.4-1 |
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| 02:14.14 | pidgeon1 | oh, it's the terminal interface... can aptitude upgrade it? i have no idea how.... i only know how to with synpatic or even in cli with apt-get |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | pidgeon1: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:14.50 | Bushmills | depends on what is in your sources.list |
| 02:14.52 | pidgeon1 | #aptitude upgrade aptitude? |
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| 02:15.27 | abrotman | pidgeon1: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:15.35 | pidgeon1 | ok |
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| 02:18.25 | pidgeon1 | http://pastebin.com/5rAu5yin |
| 02:18.35 | pidgeon1 | it's old since I was using a desktop before |
| 02:21.08 | pidgeon1 | didn't realize not much there ;) thought the multimedia would be there.... strange |
| 02:21.45 | abrotman | pidgeon1: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 02:25.12 | cnz | I just ran the ati-driver-install-11-7-x86.x86_64.run file to install the driver for my radeon hd card and I think it installed incorrectly |
| 02:25.19 | cnz | how would I go about removing it so I can re-install it |
| 02:26.44 | pidgeon1 | i had two gpg errors with the public key |
| 02:27.39 | pidgeon1 | easy fix, i guess? but, i forget how to for the time being |
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| 02:36.12 | zeppelin101_ | anyone know how i can maybe 'reset' auth0? I tried 'ifconfig eth0 down;dhclient -r eth0;sudo ifconfig eth0 up;sudo dhclient eth0' but this did not help. i keep getting a 'disconnected' message |
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| 02:36.50 | zeppelin101_ | this is for ubuntu 11.04 btw (didn't receive any help on it on #ubuntu) |
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| 02:37.33 | Bushmills | zeppelin101_: and now you ask for help about how to install debian? |
| 02:37.41 | epsilon | ifdown eth0, ifuo eth0. assumed eth0 is configured in network/iterface and network-manager is not used |
| 02:37.49 | zeppelin101_ | Bushmills: no.. is this chan only for installation help? |
| 02:38.03 | sauvin | Don't think you're going to have much luck getting help with ubuntu in this channel, zeppelin101_ . Try #3linux or something. |
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| 02:38.12 | xovan | installation/debian troubleshooting |
| 02:38.19 | Bushmills | this is debian support, including debian installation help, yes |
| 02:38.34 | zeppelin101_ | well i do plan to switch to debian soon enough |
| 02:38.37 | sauvin | ##linux, even. :sigh: |
| 02:38.57 | sauvin | When you do switch to Debian, this is the place to be. |
| 02:38.59 | Bushmills | !netinst |
| 02:39.00 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 02:39.05 | Bushmills | zeppelin101_: ^^^ |
| 02:39.12 | cnz | I like debian but it's not liking my video card :( |
| 02:39.14 | zeppelin101_ | i got a .. somewhat related question. Why is ubuntu so.. polarizing in the linux community? |
| 02:39.29 | Bushmills | is it? |
| 02:39.34 | zeppelin101_ | i mean, let me guess, 99% of people on #debian despite, ubuntu, no? |
| 02:39.37 | cnz | I can't seem to fix the choppy/laggyness when moving app windows around |
| 02:39.44 | ectospasm | not for this channel, take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 02:39.50 | zeppelin101_ | lol ok, i get the point |
| 02:40.00 | zeppelin101_ | thanks for being nice to me at least |
| 02:40.01 | Bushmills | i don't know. most we hear about ubuntu is folks having ubuntu problems and asking on debian |
| 02:40.27 | DexterF | where can I get the firmware for a realtek 8168? |
| 02:40.28 | epsilon | if you like windows, you will love ubuntu. if you like linux, you will hate ubuntu. thats all |
| 02:40.53 | zeppelin101_ | what about driver support in debian? isn't it better in ubuntu? |
| 02:40.55 | xovan | well soon enough we'll be on hurd |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | ectospasm: it's not for -offtopic either .. it belongs in #ubuntu |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | zeppelin101_: it's roughly the same .. it depends on the kenrel version |
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| 02:41.32 | zeppelin101_ | interesting |
| 02:42.00 | epsilon | OS drivers are all in kernel, it's distro-independent |
| 02:42.11 | zeppelin101_ | good to know |
| 02:42.19 | DexterF | Bushmills: people with ubuntu problems sometimes come here because people here have more in-depth knowledge. in #ubuntu there are a lot of newbies and half-wits that give questionalbe advice. |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | mostly |
| 02:42.23 | xovan | though debian normally doesn't include proprietary drivers |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | DexterF: so what? |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | DexterF: that doesn't make it okay |
| 02:42.55 | DexterF | abrotman: did I say that? |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | xovan: they do, they do NOT include the firmware for those drivers |
| 02:43.03 | abrotman | DexterF: good, end of discussion! :) |
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| 02:43.52 | DexterF | I *could* start a discussion how the look-down on ubuntu is not justified imo, but I got other problems and it's way too late... and I need that bloody firmware... |
| 02:44.03 | DexterF | ...which ubuntu provides out of the box ;) |
| 02:44.12 | cnz | anyone have any idea on how to fix the issue that im having with the choppyness/laggyness of moving app windows after installing the ati driver from amd's site? |
| 02:44.34 | Bushmills | DexterF: blame the manufacturer of that hardware, or the person purchasing that hardware |
| 02:44.38 | DexterF | cnz: swap card for an nv. I'm serious. |
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| 02:45.00 | DexterF | Bushmills: blame doesn't get me anywhere. |
| 02:45.02 | cnz | yeah let me go spend $200 on a new card |
| 02:45.03 | zeppelin101_ | Bushmills: i dont think it's fair to blame the person |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | zeppelin101_: your lack of research supported that company that hides behind a binary blob ... |
| 02:45.34 | DexterF | cnz: fglrx or free driver? |
| 02:45.40 | cnz | fglrx |
| 02:46.00 | Bushmills | if i buy a piece of hardware and then discover that there's no free drivers for it - shouldn't i blame myself? |
| 02:46.00 | DexterF | cnz: #fglrx people usually have good advice on these things |
| 02:46.09 | cnz | the free driver doesn't support resolution right, it cuts off about 2"s on both sides of the screen |
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| 02:46.15 | cnz | DexterF ok thanks |
| 02:46.31 | DexterF | cnz: don't expect a crowd there tho |
| 02:46.38 | cnz | yeah |
| 02:46.48 | Bushmills | DexterF: "blame doesn't get me anywhere" - no, then it's already too late |
| 02:47.12 | Bushmills | return to shop, maybe? |
| 02:47.23 | zeppelin101_ | abrotman: if you're 100% a linux user, it makes sense to always research the hardware you buy. For many other people, however, Linux is part of a dual boot environment, at best |
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| 02:47.43 | zeppelin101_ | if i were building a dedicated linux server, this might apply, though |
| 02:47.52 | DexterF | yeah right I'll return an otherwise perfectly fine motherboard because the debian solution to problems their policy created is attitude |
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| 02:47.56 | abrotman | zeppelin101_: anyway .. do you have a Debian question ? |
| 02:48.17 | zeppelin101_ | i get the point |
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| 02:49.12 | DexterF | more tinkering tomorrow |
| 02:49.14 | cnz | zeppelin101_ ignore the idiots, they just don't know the answer so all they can do is insult you to make themself look big, that's all I have seen from anyone in this channel that has typed anything, nothingi usefull just insults |
| 02:49.17 | DexterF | see you all |
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| 02:50.07 | Bushmills | says one who calls others "idiots" |
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| 02:50.56 | Bushmills | the only recent insult i find is by someone who goes by the nick of cnz |
| 02:51.52 | ectospasm | abrotman: actually, if you were surveying other distro's ire against Ubuntu, then #debian-offtopic would be a perfect place for it. |
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| 02:53.20 | abrotman | ectospasm: not really .. ##linux would be the perfect place |
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| 02:54.48 | student | abrotman, if i want to put example the name of my kernel planet1.1 |
| 02:54.50 | student | how can i do it? |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | the bot already told you |
| 02:55.12 | student | make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd |
| 02:55.17 | student | where do i put the name of it though? |
| 02:55.20 | student | since i never done that |
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| 02:57.05 | Bushmills | actually,$HOSTNAME is an environment variable. a least in bash. usable instead of executing $(hostname) |
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| 02:57.15 | student | oh ic |
| 02:57.27 | student | how can i put example planet1.2 to the name of my kernel |
| 02:57.30 | student | that's why I'm compiling it |
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| 03:00.53 | Derpadong | Ive got a question. If youve got swap on another hard drive, could you switch out the hard drive and make a new swap? |
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| 03:02.23 | Craigwd_2000 | It was the firmware-linux-nonfree & realtek-firmware packages... It claimed that both of them were non-existant... |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | probably because your sources.list were incorrect |
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| 03:04.14 | abrotman | Derpadong: sure |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | Derpadong: even while the system is running if you want |
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| 03:05.13 | Craigwd_2000 | Abrotman: No: I made sure to explicitly enable both free & non-free for Wheezy & still got the non-existant package BS... |
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| 03:05.48 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 03:05.49 | judd | Package firmware-linux-nonfree on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28; wheezy/non-free: 0.32; sid/non-free: 0.33 |
| 03:05.54 | abrotman | uhhuh .. if you say so |
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| 03:54.08 | simonlnu | pats the bot |
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| 03:58.01 | nb0qlk | http://www.gentoo.org/images/gwn/20050606_kloeri.jpg ! PLEASE STOP ME BEFORE I MOLEST AGAIN ! TEENAGERS AND YOUNG BOYS BEWARE * CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER Bryan é·Ostergaard IS ON THE LOOSE AND HE'S AN ADMIN ON THIS NETWORK. PLEASE JOIN ##COMMENT_ON_STAFF NOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THIS MAN, OR IF HE HAS SOLICITED YOU FOR ANAL SEX. WE ARE COMPILING TESTIMONY FOR A CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST FREENODE FOR GIVING THIS SICK INDIVIDUAL A PLACE TO RECRUIT SEX SLAVES. jak |
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| 04:06.12 | S4nD3r | How solve it? |
| 04:06.27 | S4nD3r | Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region |
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| 04:25.21 | S4nD3r | how solve it ? Valid eCryptfs headers not found in file header region or xattr region |
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| 05:07.55 | andrewwiggin | is there an equivalent to something like "lspci" for ata? |
| 05:08.05 | andrewwiggin | to get information about my ata devices |
| 05:08.07 | andrewwiggin | ? |
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| 05:09.18 | monsterb | !iceweasel5 |
| 05:09.18 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser are not available from <debian backports>, as they have not yet made it to wheezy. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for Iceweasel 5.0 for squeeze, wheezy or sid. |
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| 05:10.36 | andrewwiggin | question: why would someone not just download firefox 5? |
| 05:11.11 | andrewwiggin | i thought iceweasel basically is firefox with a different name slapped on it |
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| 05:11.35 | student | /usr/bin/make ARCH=i386 \ |
| 05:11.36 | student | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.36 | student | make: *** Documentation/lguest: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 05:11.36 | student | make: *** [debian/stamp/build/kernel] Error 2 |
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| 05:11.40 | andrewwiggin | (at risk of getting flamed for asking this here i realize, but i promise i'm not trolling, i'm genuinely curious |
| 05:11.41 | andrewwiggin | ) |
| 05:11.44 | student | why did i get that message? |
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| 05:14.17 | jmarsden | student: You pasted too many lines into the channel. This is unacceptable behaviour. As it says, use http://paste.debian.net or /msg dpkg paste |
| 05:14.28 | student | i have a question |
| 05:14.34 | student | how can i put my own name to my kernel? |
| 05:14.38 | student | i'm compiling it already |
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| 05:16.26 | wols_ | student: you are using kernel-package |
| 05:16.30 | wols_ | student: ? |
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| 05:16.34 | student | yea |
| 05:17.40 | str8 | anyone ever get /dev/tcp working on debian? |
| 05:18.16 | student | wols_, so how can i change the name of the kernel |
| 05:18.22 | student | for example i want to put planet3.0.1 |
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| 05:19.24 | str8 | sys/systeminfo.h |
| 05:19.51 | student | lol |
| 05:20.44 | andrewwiggin | i think you will definitely need to recompile your kernel to change its name |
| 05:20.52 | andrewwiggin | good news is, its pretty easy and safe |
| 05:21.02 | student | that's what i'm doing andrewwiggin |
| 05:21.05 | andrewwiggin | ok |
| 05:21.11 | student | but how do i do it? |
| 05:21.14 | student | what do i need to edit |
| 05:21.18 | student | to change the kernel name? |
| 05:21.18 | andrewwiggin | so do you want to CHANGE the name or add to it? |
| 05:21.32 | andrewwiggin | can it be like linux-2.6.35-planet3.0.1 |
| 05:21.35 | andrewwiggin | ? |
| 05:21.35 | student | i want to change the name to planet1.0 |
| 05:21.46 | andrewwiggin | or do you need to get rid of the linux part altogether? |
| 05:22.01 | student | yeah linux part all together so i can just put planet1.0 |
| 05:22.24 | andrewwiggin | hang on lemme look |
| 05:22.27 | andrewwiggin | i've only done the other |
| 05:22.34 | andrewwiggin | lemme see if i can find something for you |
| 05:22.42 | student | ok |
| 05:22.43 | student | ty |
| 05:23.19 | str8 | look for uname.c |
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| 05:23.38 | andrewwiggin | i'm taking a different approach |
| 05:23.46 | andrewwiggin | looking for where CONFIG_LOCALVERSION is appeneded |
| 05:23.46 | str8 | then alias |
| 05:23.58 | wols_ | student: which part of the uname -a string do you want to change exactly? |
| 05:24.07 | student | wols_, everythinig |
| 05:24.20 | wols_ | makubi: --append-to-version foo |
| 05:24.27 | wols_ | andrewwiggin: --append-to-version foo |
| 05:24.34 | wols_ | student: define "everything" |
| 05:24.46 | student | 3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 05:24.48 | student | that's the kernel |
| 05:24.49 | student | that I |
| 05:25.01 | student | i'm using i want to create a new one and call it planet3.0.0 |
| 05:25.22 | wols_ | that's the version number, not any "name" |
| 05:25.34 | student | the version and the name |
| 05:25.45 | student | that's what i want to change |
| 05:26.32 | wols_ | man make-kpkg check --revision number and --append_to_version you might have to edit the kernel-package scripts if you want even more customization |
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| 05:29.35 | str8 | the only real way is in the source |
| 05:29.42 | str8 | unless you alias it |
| 05:30.37 | str8 | alias uname='printf "planet1.0"' |
| 05:30.44 | student | hmmmm |
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| 05:34.13 | andrewwiggin | haha that doesn't change the kernel name :P |
| 05:34.22 | andrewwiggin | that just changes what he gets if he types uname :) |
| 05:35.08 | student | i'm just ignoring him |
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| 05:43.34 | andrewwiggin | i'm having a tough time finding any good leads |
| 05:43.53 | andrewwiggin | i'm pretty sure he's right when he says you'll have to change the source |
| 05:44.01 | andrewwiggin | but i can't even find where |
| 05:44.16 | andrewwiggin | i'm guessing a good start would be to build uname from source and debug through to see what calls it makes |
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| 05:44.53 | andrewwiggin | probably don't even need to build it actually |
| 05:44.55 | andrewwiggin | just have source |
| 05:45.07 | student | hmmm |
| 05:45.14 | student | i'm building it already |
| 05:45.19 | andrewwiggin | coreutils? |
| 05:45.24 | andrewwiggin | uname is not part of the kernel |
| 05:45.32 | andrewwiggin | its part of coreutils |
| 05:45.44 | student | yeah i know |
| 05:45.54 | student | that;s why I'm compiling the kernel from scratch |
| 05:46.23 | andrewwiggin | uname source code is not in the kernel source package |
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| 05:46.33 | andrewwiggin | hang on i'm pulling down coreutils source to look at it |
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| 05:47.18 | wols_ | it's easy: uname simply does a "cat /proc/version" |
| 05:48.09 | andrewwiggin | haha yeah and it calls a function named "uname" :) |
| 05:49.06 | bittin` | http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman02/4e378ce538d77_2011-08-02-073603_1280x960_scrot.png |
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| 05:50.42 | andrewwiggin | ok student now i'm getting somewhere |
| 05:50.54 | student | ok |
| 05:50.58 | andrewwiggin | utsname.c in the kernel sources provides the uname() function |
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| 06:00.01 | cjj | need help: about upload deb package to my private server with dupload!! |
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| 06:02.41 | molqr | trying to install wx2.8-headers but i get this error http://pastebin.com/b6fs7YVX ... is the package at fault or is python at fault? |
| 06:03.43 | student | edit the lines |
| 06:03.54 | student | File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1373, in ? |
| 06:04.18 | wols_ | ,versions wx2.8-headers |
| 06:04.19 | judd | Package wx2.8-headers on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.7.1-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.8.7.1-1.1+lenny1; squeeze: 2.8.10.1-3+b1; sid: 2.8.10.1-3.1; wheezy: 2.8.10.1-3.1 |
| 06:04.40 | wols_ | molqr: I think your distro is at fault |
| 06:05.23 | wols_ | molqr: ask in the channel of your actual distro |
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| 06:07.22 | molqr | wols_: i think so too. but i m on etch |
| 06:08.36 | wols_ | molqr: then getting 2.8.12 means you fucked up majorly. where are you getting this wx from? |
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| 06:09.38 | wols_ | molqr: as you can see, there is no 2.8.12 of it in debian |
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| 06:10.04 | wols_ | molqr: apt-cache policy wx2.8-headers |
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| 06:12.54 | molqr | wols_: thanks will check that and report back |
| 06:14.03 | wols_ | molqr: etch is not supported anymore either. e.g normal debian repos don't carry it anymore. I strongly suggest you to upgrade and getting your sources.list in order |
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| 06:16.01 | molqr | wols_: thanks |
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| 06:44.59 | Anon379 | Hi |
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| 06:47.29 | hotwings | anyone here with first-hand experience using systemd with debian? ive read conflicting bits about it - some give praise, some say its trash |
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| 06:51.56 | Anon379 | Huh? |
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| 06:53.15 | hotwings | not sure what exactly confused that guy. |
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| 06:54.46 | ParkerR | hotwings, I havent heard of it. What odes it do? |
| 06:54.53 | ParkerR | *does |
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| 06:55.42 | ParkerR | Ahh I see |
| 06:55.49 | ParkerR | Have no clue |
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| 07:06.07 | deStone | i reboot my server and now i got this: Starting web server: Apache2/usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.11: invalid ELF header |
| 07:06.10 | deStone | thoughts? |
| 07:07.02 | optraz | hmm |
| 07:07.07 | optraz | probably resinstall the package |
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| 07:07.32 | deStone | its so wierd cause i didnt upgrade anything |
| 07:08.05 | optraz | just reinstall the package? |
| 07:08.12 | optraz | libgnutls26 <== this is this one? |
| 07:08.29 | deStone | i have no idea what that even is |
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| 07:12.45 | optraz | deStone: check which package own the file |
| 07:12.50 | optraz | dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.11 |
| 07:12.50 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.11 package |
| 07:13.08 | optraz | and then reinstall the package |
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| 07:28.37 | odn | hi |
| 07:29.23 | odn | had someone already create a debian from scratch ? i'm about to succeed id but i don't succeed in loging in and google don't help me :s |
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| 07:29.40 | odn | doesn't* |
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| 07:44.37 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 07:44.45 | lancelot_of | how to change grub splashimage? |
| 07:45.34 | optraz | /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz |
| 07:45.39 | optraz | think is that file. |
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| 07:45.57 | lancelot_of | optraz, is there any built-in grub tool to change it? |
| 07:46.45 | optraz | lancelot_of: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub/SplashImage |
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| 07:46.53 | optraz | i never change before but that link provide plenties of help |
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| 07:51.05 | lancelot_of | i got the 3.0 kernel from sid but comparing it to 2.6.39, i see at boottime it does not load modules for cpu freq setting. I can't find boot FATAL messages in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog. Any suggestion? |
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| 07:56.44 | flores | hi filks, I have just installed debian on my laptop, I would like to know if it is possible to configure it so that when I am not using the mouse, i am able to click with a fast touch, instead of having to press the click button, just like I do in Ubuntu? Anyone knows it? |
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| 07:57.50 | lancelot_of | dunno if my mesage was read, i fallen, sorry for re-post:i got the 3.0 kernel from sid but comparing it to 2.6.39, i see at boottime it does not load modules for cpu freq setting. I can't find boot FATAL messages in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog. Any suggestion? |
| 07:58.28 | delby | hi. i have been using chromium on squeeze for a while now with no problem. now after a fresh install, when i try to download extensions it tells me i must upgrade chrome. any way around it? |
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| 08:12.05 | zorrolero | flores, check your mouse-settings, under "system -> preferences -> mouse" |
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| 08:15.35 | chenthu | Solved the display problem at last..... :) |
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| 08:15.52 | flores | zorrolero: Thanks, it works now!! |
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| 08:19.48 | babilen | chenthu: yay, how? |
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| 08:21.58 | chenthu | babilen: just added : nouveau.modset=0" in the grub loader and i logged then made a permanent solution by creating a conf file in /etc/modeprob.d/ now display is fine... i am currently updqatinh my linux using my mobile net and i am trying different ways to make my wifi work...but first let it get updated... |
| 08:22.45 | chenthu | babilen: Thank you for the support u gave me all along during the problem.... learnt a lot abt drivers and stuffs and linux in general |
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| 08:28.03 | lancelot_of | i got the 3.0 kernel from sid but comparing it to 2.6.39, i see at boottime it does not load modules for cpu freq setting. I can't find boot FATAL messages in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog. Any suggestion? |
| 08:28.18 | chenthu | babilen: the problem was caused by the nouveau driver.... i found this after loggin in through live system and pastebin the Xorg.0.log file and members from the official debian suggested me to disanle nouveau and so i did and worked so made a permanent deisable of nouveau... now its wiorking |
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| 08:28.51 | chenthu | babilen: can i upgrade to kernel 3.0 in squeeze? |
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| 08:37.15 | babilen | chenthu: Not that easily as you would have to compile it yourself. |
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| 08:38.02 | chenthu | babilen: oh k.... ;)...ill stick with 2.6.39 then |
| 08:38.14 | babilen | chenthu: .38 is in backports, but for 3.0 you might want to read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 08:38.18 | lancelot_of | i got the 3.0 kernel image from sid but comparing it to 2.6.39, i see at boottime it does not load modules for cpu freq setting. I can't find boot FATAL messages in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog. Any suggestion? |
| 08:38.58 | chenthu | babilen: ok thanks ..... |
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| 08:48.22 | wols_ | lahwran: check if those modules are compiled in or modules via /boot/config* |
| 08:49.05 | wols_ | lahwran: sorry, was for lancelot_of which is gone |
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| 08:49.14 | mjt | it isn't always easy to map between module names and config options |
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| 08:56.51 | sameerynho | how can i create a virtual network interface? |
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| 08:57.32 | optraz | ifconfig eth0:0 ? |
| 08:57.42 | chenthu | when giving thye apt-get command?...where does all thye packages gets downloaded? |
| 08:57.58 | sameerynho | optraz: let me try |
| 08:58.14 | optraz | chenthu: from the repository? |
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| 08:58.22 | chenthu | optraz: yeah |
| 08:58.24 | optraz | chenthu: you can check in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:58.54 | sameerynho | optraz: what does that ":0" stand for? |
| 08:58.58 | chenthu | optraz: but that has only the souce list... i want to know where it gets downloaded and saved in my system |
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| 08:59.21 | vtts | chenthu, /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:59.40 | chenthu | vtts: oh ok... thank you |
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| 09:00.14 | optraz | chenthu: vtts answer u |
| 09:00.28 | chenthu | vtts: can i delete the downloaded files after installing? |
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| 09:00.40 | chenthu | optraz: yeah saw that ...thank you |
| 09:00.44 | lancelot_of | is it possible to use smapi where acpi are installed? |
| 09:00.52 | optraz | sameerynho: http://blog.bigsmoke.us/2010/03/26/adding-a-virtual-network-interface-on-debian |
| 09:00.56 | lancelot_of | or are they incompatible |
| 09:00.58 | vtts | chenthu, yes, tru: apt-get clean |
| 09:01.11 | vtts | s/tru/try |
| 09:01.16 | chenthu | vtts: oh ok... thank you ... |
| 09:01.38 | sameerynho | optraz: thanks man |
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| 09:02.19 | optraz | sameerynho: no problem |
| 09:02.29 | optraz | sameerynho: you should use ip command instaed |
| 09:02.36 | optraz | cause i think they are deprecating ifconfig |
| 09:02.46 | sameerynho | optraz: aha thanks |
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| 09:05.08 | optraz | np |
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| 09:06.07 | lewis | anye one here? |
| 09:06.16 | filePeter | lewis: ? |
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| 09:06.43 | lewis | filepeter nice 2 meet u |
| 09:06.51 | lewis | i wan to ask |
| 09:07.08 | lewis | whr can i find the conf file for apache which point to ocs server index.php |
| 09:07.11 | filePeter | lewis: donât asktoask! |
| 09:07.41 | optraz | LoL |
| 09:07.44 | epsilon | rgrep the /etc |
| 09:07.49 | optraz | please type the full words lewis |
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| 09:08.16 | lewis | i wan to know whr can i find the conf file of apache which point to ocs server |
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| 09:08.34 | optraz | /etc/apache2/conf.d/ ? |
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| 09:08.48 | epsilon | ocs? Microsoft office? |
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| 09:09.30 | cj101 | hi, ive set up my desktop to use all monitor ports, 1 onboard and 2 on the graphics card, ive set up xorg.conf and got them all displaying seperately but they all are seperate desktops with their own menus, is there a way i can set it to be one desktop across all 3 monitors? |
| 09:10.03 | optraz | xinerama i think is the one you should google |
| 09:10.23 | optraz | cj101: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama |
| 09:10.36 | cj101 | thanks |
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| 09:10.43 | RaymondX | whoa!!! it's possible to use the onboard and graphics card at the same time? |
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| 09:10.52 | lewis | optraz |
| 09:11.09 | optraz | what |
| 09:11.26 | epsilon | RaymondX: in theory yes, I've done it once. and yes, it SUCKS |
| 09:11.37 | filePeter | epsilon: Why does it suck? |
| 09:11.38 | epsilon | I use dual-head graficcard instead |
| 09:11.51 | lewis | then inside conf.d which file show whr my apache point to ocs server?? |
| 09:12.11 | epsilon | 2 different drivers, complex xorg.conf, different resolution... pure sucking |
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| 09:12.50 | epsilon | using simple nvidia card with 2x DVI and using closed sourcce driver = 5 MIn setup and it actually works |
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| 09:14.43 | filePeter | epsilon: Ah, I see. :-) |
| 09:15.25 | optraz | lewis: what is ocs |
| 09:15.26 | optraz | ? |
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| 09:15.46 | lewis | is a hardware inventory |
| 09:16.01 | lewis | nvm |
| 09:16.19 | lewis | i juz wan to know whr can find the conf file of apache whr it point to |
| 09:16.22 | RaymondX | I have a network manager problem, when i select "shared to other computers" I can ssh into the other pc but i cant access internet from it |
| 09:16.42 | Iridos | epsilon, do you end up with two separate X sessions and two logins or is there a way to have one shared workspace with 2 different cards |
| 09:17.09 | epsilon | Iridos: using 2 cards or using nvidia? |
| 09:17.13 | optraz | lewis: the apache2 configuration file in stored in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 09:17.20 | jelly | lewis: read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz to find out about apache config layout |
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| 09:18.11 | Iridos | epsilon, two cards (I said so at the end, too) |
| 09:18.22 | jelly | lewis: you probably want the VirtualHost definitions |
| 09:18.41 | Iridos | epsilon, I think I last tried this around 2001... wonder if it got any better |
| 09:19.20 | lewis | ok thx bro |
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| 09:19.34 | epsilon | Iridos: 1 X session with wired xorg.conf... but it worked just in theory, not to actual work with it |
| 09:20.18 | epsilon | I tried it first to avoid close source nvidia driver... was a wrong decision took me hours of reconfigures |
| 09:21.05 | Iridos | well, also works well with ati... but I also use fglrx |
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| 09:23.25 | Iridos | both, nvidia and fglrx can be auto-installed via dkms, I think... so at least you shouldn't have to a lot of extra stuff after an upgrade just to get graphics mode back |
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| 09:30.02 | latepre | does 'diff' work on binary files? |
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| 09:31.26 | Iridos | latepre, a little bit.. try yourself |
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| 09:31.54 | colo-work | to tell you if they differ? yes, but cmp is a safer bet. to create a binary patch? hello no. use bsdiff for that. |
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| 09:32.31 | latepre | yes only to tell that they are different |
| 09:32.36 | latepre | at least |
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| 09:37.46 | filePeter | latepre: Maybe md5 is what you need? |
| 09:38.04 | latepre | filePeter: not really |
| 09:38.32 | latepre | filePeter: just had another person tell me that GNU diff sometimes incorrectly reported that binary files were the same even though they are differnet |
| 09:38.42 | latepre | filePeter: and that BSD diff did it properly |
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| 09:39.35 | Iridos | could he provide example files? |
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| 09:39.57 | latepre | thats what im trying him to do but he's keeping silent now, hehe |
| 09:40.03 | babilen | latepre: I would recommend to compare checksums (md5/sha*) if you want to determine that two binaries are not identical. |
| 09:40.17 | latepre | babilen: but there could be collisions as well? |
| 09:40.32 | babilen | latepre: Quite unlikely |
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| 09:42.16 | babilen | latepre: But yes, there certainly are collisions. But I wouldn't expect that to be of any significance for your daily work. Hash functions are designed to output a completely different hash if the input has the slightest change. sha256 is fast and IMHO sufficient for everything you want to do with it. |
| 09:42.34 | latepre | babilen: yes agreed |
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| 09:43.04 | filePeter | latepre: Compare filesize and then do hashes if the filesizes are the same... |
| 09:43.12 | latepre | babilen: thing is im aware of that, what i wasnt aware of - is that 'diff' didnt do justice comparing binary files, that was news.. but maybe just a bald statement |
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| 09:45.01 | kristian-aalborg | debian + xorg + vlc and a few other players = < 1GB? |
| 09:45.14 | kristian-aalborg | no desktop apps |
| 09:45.43 | petemc | !sort by package size |
| 09:45.43 | dpkg | to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " n" | sort -n' |
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| 09:47.27 | TrevGamingRIg | Get paid via paypal or gift cards to watch videos, offers, surveys, submit emails ect. http://t.co/ivZVyhf , have any questions just ask me :) |
| 09:48.09 | iridos | oops, so sorry, seems I can't ask you |
| 09:48.13 | petemc | very efficient |
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| 09:48.27 | iridos | indeed |
| 09:49.57 | flores | hi, I have a strange problem here. I have to machines connected on the same network, with one of them I have normal access to the inernet, but the other, my mewly installed debian, I get no access, what is causing this? The access just stopped all of a sudden. |
| 09:50.32 | iridos | my #1 suspicion is that you pulled the network plug |
| 09:51.07 | flores | iridos: but the status of eth0 is activ |
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| 09:51.36 | flores | I have also tried to reboot, but the problem persists |
| 09:51.58 | iridos | try to ping an IP on your local net, then ping an IP on the Internet, outside your own net (i.e. 8.8.8.8) |
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| 09:55.18 | hyper_ch | hi there, how can I find out whether a network card on my server is going at 100mbit? Problem is that the samba server seems very slow, only about 1 MB/s which could indicate the card only working at 10mbit instead of 100 - I test this from two different clients, so I don't think it's a client issue |
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| 09:55.34 | babilen | hyper_ch: ethtool should tell you |
| 09:56.16 | flores | I have rebooted, and now I get a connection, but when I try to download something I am directly redirected to "unable to download page". |
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| 09:58.00 | vlt | hyper_ch: Yes, ethtool tells you at which speed it is runnung. Doenloading from samba is not a good way for testing network speed. I'd suggest using something like iperf. |
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| 09:58.35 | hyper_ch | vlt: well, don't know what iperf is but will look it up... server is debain stable and all clients are mac os x |
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| 09:59.16 | babilen | hyper_ch: So, what is ethtool reporting as the link speed? (e.g. ethtool eth0) |
| 09:59.27 | vlt | hyper_ch: In case iperf is not available on MacOS simply run netcat |
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| 11:45.49 | tdrusk | How can I install what is installed by tasksel for xfce in a currently up and running system |
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| 11:46.43 | andrewwiggin | apt-get install xfce |
| 11:46.49 | andrewwiggin | is probably pretty close |
| 11:47.12 | andrewwiggin | sorry xfce4 |
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| 11:48.13 | andrewwiggin | then next time you login through gdm, change the option on the bar at the bottom to select the xfce environment |
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| 11:50.47 | tdrusk | It is more minimal than that and it is missing a lot, for example iceweasel and gdm. Will tasksel pull in xfce? |
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| 11:54.18 | tdrusk | also, what does pi next to a package mean in aptitude? |
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| 11:58.21 | vlt | tdrusk: Version 3.14 |
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| 11:58.34 | vlt | tdrusk: (kidding) |
| 11:58.55 | tdrusk | *confused*... OHHHHH hahahaha |
| 11:59.07 | vlt | tdrusk: I think "p" stands for "package" (not "virtual"), "i" for installed |
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| 12:02.08 | iridos | tdrusk, tasksel is in the package... tasksel |
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| 12:03.17 | afernandez123 | hello to all i come in peace |
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| 12:03.27 | afernandez123 | what is the right squeeze 64 download |
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| 12:03.34 | afernandez123 | i dont have amd processor |
| 12:03.44 | abrotman | amd64 |
| 12:03.58 | afernandez123 | abrotman: even if i dont have amd cpu? |
| 12:04.03 | tdrusk | correct |
| 12:04.06 | afernandez123 | thanks |
| 12:04.08 | abrotman | did read the description on debian.org/ports/ ? |
| 12:04.12 | afernandez123 | comes with kde? |
| 12:04.22 | abrotman | because I'm 99.99999% sure you don't have Itanium |
| 12:04.28 | afernandez123 | no |
| 12:04.30 | abrotman | afernandez123: comes with a lot of stuff, see packages.debian.org |
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| 12:06.08 | afernandez123 | thanks bye guys |
| 12:06.10 | tdrusk | abrotman: just get a minimal cd(assuming you have decent internet speeds) and on the debian screen that asks "install" and "advanced install" press tab and write "desktop=kde" without quotes |
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| 12:06.23 | abrotman | tdrusk: uhm .. i know how to install Debian, thanks :) |
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| 12:06.43 | tdrusk | lo siento. wrong person :P |
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| 12:07.24 | abrotman | looks at tdrusk's hostmask, and thinks 'windstream' sounds like an ISP for politicians ... |
| 12:07.24 | iridos | well, he left the same second anyway |
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| 12:08.09 | me-1 | hi...how to install Libre office..? |
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| 12:08.17 | tdrusk | abrotman: It is not so great, but the only one in the county. |
| 12:08.29 | abrotman | tdrusk: just commenting on the name, that's all |
| 12:08.32 | abrotman | me-1: in what? |
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| 12:09.35 | me-1 | abrotman, squeeze ofcourse |
| 12:09.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell me-1 about bdo |
| 12:10.10 | abrotman | me-1: either you setup backports.debian.org, and use libreoffice from there, or you use the openoffice.org already in squeeze |
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| 12:11.36 | tdrusk | me-1: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/libreoffice-debian-squeeze-backports.html |
| 12:11.39 | me-1 | abrotman, how can i set up those backports ..? I didnt find openoffice in sueese |
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| 12:12.05 | Retenodus | Hi |
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| 12:12.14 | abrotman | me-1: it has the instructions in what the bot told you .. backports.debian.org/Instructions .. right? |
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| 12:12.33 | Retenodus | I've a crontab issue, on Debian Squeeze |
| 12:12.52 | Retenodus | I try to execute a script every minute |
| 12:12.54 | abrotman | tdrusk: those instructions are wrong ... |
| 12:12.57 | Retenodus | with root user |
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| 12:13.10 | Retenodus | crontab -l : |
| 12:13.10 | Retenodus | * * * * * python /root/monitor/monitor.py |
| 12:13.33 | Retenodus | It seems the scripts is not executed... |
| 12:13.51 | abrotman | Retenodus: /usr/bin/python /root/monitor/monitor.py ? |
| 12:14.05 | me-1 | abrotman, I got it . thank you |
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| 12:30.09 | Retenodus | abrotman : it doesn't work neither |
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| 12:43.21 | abrotman | Retenodus: can you try "* * * * * touch /tmp/foo" |
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| 12:43.55 | hramrach | Hello |
| 12:44.10 | abrotman | hi |
| 12:44.17 | hramrach | how do I select vesa as the KMS driver in Debian? |
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| 12:46.58 | Retenodus | abrotman : yes, it works |
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| 12:49.26 | Retenodus | I don't understand why it works. Shouldn't I receive a mail when a problem occurs ? |
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| 12:50.35 | abrotman | Retenodus: are you sure you're not ? |
| 12:50.54 | abrotman | Retenodus: what are the perms on your python script ? |
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| 12:51.24 | Retenodus | abrotman : "mail" command says me "no mail for root" |
| 12:51.41 | abrotman | root's mail should be going somewhere else |
| 12:51.59 | Retenodus | abrotman : 644. When I type "python /root/monitor/monitor.py", the script is executed without problem |
| 12:53.05 | Retenodus | abrotman : oh, yes, I received mail with another user account |
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| 12:53.35 | abrotman | Retenodus: and it says? |
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| 12:54.08 | Retenodus | abrotman : the script failed because I write in a file, which is given by relative path |
| 12:54.24 | abrotman | whoops |
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| 13:02.13 | tdrusk | I need some aptitude help. I have packages with synopsis "pi", which I have found means " the package and all its configuration files were removed, or the package was never installed" and "the package is installed and all its dependencies are satisfied. " This doesn't really make sense to me. I think this is because I did a dist-upgrade from squeeze to testing maybe. Either way, I think these packages should have been installed but w |
| 13:02.55 | abrotman | tdrusk: and what is the package? |
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| 13:04.54 | tdrusk | abrotman: Well, when I upgraded to testing I didn't have anything installed(during tasksel I selected nothing). I upgraded, the installed xfce4 and xfce4-goodies. |
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| 13:05.13 | abrotman | tdrusk: i asked what the package is that is pi |
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| 13:07.02 | tdrusk | xfce4-power-manager xfce4-power-manager-data for example |
| 13:07.03 | Rafeiro | hi, can i get some help installing nvidia drivers? |
| 13:07.14 | abrotman | Rafeiro: you'll get the same answer here |
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| 13:07.28 | abrotman | tdrusk: and if you request a reinstall of that package, does the state change? |
| 13:07.35 | Rafeiro | abrotman, aha lol |
| 13:07.39 | Onryo | Thinking about upgrading to a Sandy Bridge 2600. Was wondering if I need any firmware (blob) binaries. Going to use the internal GPU for graphics since Intel tends to be open code. |
| 13:07.40 | Rafeiro | i made the question on the otherside |
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| 13:07.53 | tdrusk | abrotman:yes. |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | tdrusk: and did it change? |
| 13:08.08 | tdrusk | abrotman: yes |
| 13:08.25 | abrotman | Onryo: possibly for the wired NIC, but that's rare with Intel chipsets .. but i've heard that the sandy bridge isn't well supported in Linux ? |
| 13:08.35 | abrotman | tdrusk: so reinstall the packages that are pi |
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| 13:09.18 | tdrusk | abrotman: is there a way I can list all of them that are like that? |
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| 13:10.11 | abrotman | tdrusk: simple way would be to | grep '^pi' |
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| 13:12.29 | Onryo | abrotman thx. Can use an old NIC card that I know runs well. Might give Wheezy a go and see if that plays nicer with a SB. Still want a "clean" kernel though. |
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| 13:13.25 | abrotman | Onryo: good luck .. |
| 13:13.30 | jwineinger | hey guys, i'm wondering where terminal colors are defined. I'm using a custom git log that adds some colors to various elements. All of the colors work in ubuntu shells, but only a few (red, green) work on my debian systems. The ones that don't work just get printed out like "%C(yellow)%d" |
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| 13:14.30 | colo-work | jwineinger, those escape sequences have to be interpreted by your Terminal emulator |
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| 13:15.09 | colo-work | there's a library called curses which is responsible for putting out escape codes that match your current terminal's capabilities |
| 13:15.23 | colo-work | although developers of course may choose to override this library |
| 13:15.30 | colo-work | and use functions of their own to try to do this |
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| 13:16.09 | colo-work | thereby creating nothing but pain, shock, horror, death, and wrongly coloured output |
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| 13:16.38 | goug | hey there |
| 13:16.45 | goug | I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze |
| 13:16.59 | goug | then I encounter dependencies problem with apt-get |
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| 13:17.20 | abrotman | use a pastebin to show us, also include your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:18.35 | jwineinger | colo-work: I have TERM="xterm". I do have ncurses stuff installed. Since some of the colors are working and others arent, should I just assume that those escape sequences aren't supported by the debian system's version of curses? |
| 13:18.43 | goug | abrotman: here it is : http://pastebin.com/t0b9gjff |
| 13:18.46 | goug | broken packages |
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| 13:19.27 | abrotman | goug: what's the output of `aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade` ? |
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| 13:20.30 | goug | abrotman: nothing wrong and nothing to be installed or modified |
| 13:20.58 | goug | and same kind of problem when trying to install packages from aptitude |
| 13:20.58 | abrotman | goug: what's the output of 'apt-cache policy' .. were you pinning stuff before? |
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| 13:21.44 | hramrach | so it's done with video=vesafb nomodeset |
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| 13:22.02 | goug | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/st4wcewL |
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| 13:22.15 | hramrach | without nomodeset both vesa and native drm framebuffer loads |
| 13:22.42 | goug | abrotman: what do you mean by pinning stuff ? (not native speaker) |
| 13:22.43 | hramrach | and the native framebuffer kills any screen output |
| 13:23.01 | hramrach | goug: that's a Debian specific thing |
| 13:23.31 | goug | hramrach: so I guess I was not⦠|
| 13:23.38 | abrotman | goug: what is in /etc/apt/apt_preferences or whatever that file is ? |
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| 13:24.17 | goug | abrotman: I don't have such file AFAIK |
| 13:24.28 | filePeter | goug: Looks like apt's not alloweed to install grom debian-multimedia/experimental to me. Right? |
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| 13:24.45 | goug | oh yes I have |
| 13:24.48 | abrotman | goug: somewhere in there you have pinning going on it looks like .. seems to be causing the issue |
| 13:25.17 | goug | Package: xkb-data libx11-data console-data; Pin: origin download.tuxfamily.org; Pin-Priority: 1001 (on three lines without semicolons) |
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| 13:27.01 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody know how to mount a raid filesystem from a hard drive ? |
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| 13:27.03 | filePeter | goug: Obove 1000 usually even allows downgrades.. |
| 13:27.15 | _Christophe_ | I would like to access all the file of this hard drive |
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| 13:27.34 | Woet | _Christophe_: the same as mounting a normal filesystem? |
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| 13:27.56 | _Christophe_ | Sorry |
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| 13:28.04 | _Christophe_ | Woet, really ? |
| 13:28.20 | _Christophe_ | But what is the filesystem type to specify ? |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | _Christophe_: is it hardware raid or swraid? |
| 13:28.34 | _Christophe_ | software |
| 13:28.39 | Woet | _Christophe_: it should work automatically if it isnt messed up |
| 13:28.44 | Woet | mount /dev/md1 /mnt |
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| 13:28.47 | Woet | or something along those lines |
| 13:28.55 | _Christophe_ | But I only have one hard drive that I putted in a USB box |
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| 13:29.13 | Woet | _Christophe_: pastebin your output of /proc/mdstat |
| 13:29.58 | _Christophe_ | humm, Yes Woet, you were right ! |
| 13:30.10 | Woet | yay! |
| 13:30.11 | _Christophe_ | I did a mistake when I tried ! |
| 13:30.13 | goug | filePeter: are you suggesting I add similar content to the one I pasted in /etc/apt/preferences but for debian-multimedia ? |
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| 13:30.25 | _Christophe_ | Was tried to mount a bad partition |
| 13:30.29 | _Christophe_ | Thanks you :) |
| 13:30.36 | Woet | np |
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| 13:30.47 | _Christophe_ | :) |
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| 13:31.56 | filePeter | goug: Im not sure, what you wanted to do when pinning your system. Maybe the 1001 value makes apt want to install other versions of mplayer's dependencies!? |
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| 13:33.10 | filePeter | goug: Or possibly debian-multimedia is experiencing an error?! Can you install a depedency manually? If so, its the pinning. |
| 13:34.22 | goug | filePeter: actually I tried to remove the preferences file without more success (modifying with debian-multimedia didn't work better) |
| 13:35.25 | filePeter | goug: But mplayer is from deibna-multimedia, right? |
| 13:35.54 | mjt | is there some microsoft project-compatible solution (at least viewer for .mpp files)? |
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| 13:36.24 | filePeter | goug: Maybe you need the "## squeeze multimedia" stuff in your sources.lst |
| 13:36.30 | filePeter | ? |
| 13:36.31 | goug | filePeter: yes, AFAIK mplayer is from debian-multimedia ; I tried with another mirror and experience the same problem |
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| 13:37.00 | goug | filePeter: actually these are other mirrors |
| 13:37.19 | TCW | is it "normal" that for instance vlc does just stop playing sound in the middle of a clip or after pausing and play again when using pulseaudio? |
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| 13:38.10 | filePeter | goug: Maybe the mirrors are broken or something. But it seems there is no mirror to get the dependencies from. |
| 13:38.16 | goug | when trying with aptitude it says packages "PreDepends: multiarch-support which is a virtual package" |
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| 13:39.21 | Sherpya | hi, it's ok that using source format 3 I always get xxx-debian.tar.gz changed on each rebuild? |
| 13:39.45 | Sherpya | it should be a sort of timestamp in tar/gz |
| 13:40.25 | Ludite | Hello, I have an NSLU2 running lenny 5.0 that i use to backup my music library and home directories to. I have been using rsync and passwordless ssh to do this but i managed to break the process. Now when my cron script executes its asking for my password. I am able to ssh to lenny asswordlessly though so i'm at a loss as to how to correct the problem. any help wouuld be greatly apprecidated. |
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| 13:40.31 | filePeter | goug: Well... http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mplayer seems like mplayer is in stable, too. |
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| 13:41.02 | goug | filePeter: but removing debian-multimedia from my sources.list does not help⦠|
| 13:41.11 | Ludite | and please excuse the poor typing skills... |
| 13:41.49 | filePeter | goug: You didn't forget apt-get update?! |
| 13:41.57 | goug | filePeter: nope |
| 13:42.07 | goug | I still get exactly the same |
| 13:42.23 | Ludite | I think what may have broken the passwordless part was using ssh-copy-id to copy my rsa files to the server a second time. but don't know how to undo this. have tried deleting the authorized_keys files on the server but no joy. |
| 13:42.34 | goug | and on the official repositories the version of libass4 is indeed 0.9.9-1 |
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| 13:44.05 | goug | the funny thing is that mplayer from the official repos does not seem to depend on the quoted broken dependencies⦠|
| 13:44.24 | filePeter | goug: Yeah.... |
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| 13:44.51 | filePeter | goug: Especially http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmp3lame0 - I bet youâre using an experimental mirror for mplayer... |
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| 13:44.55 | filePeter | or unstable |
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| 13:45.28 | filePeter | goug: The dependency to lame is indeed the same version... |
| 13:45.34 | filePeter | as in usntable |
| 13:45.34 | goug | filePeter: well my sources.list only says squeeze⦠|
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| 13:45.46 | Rafeiro | how |
| 13:45.49 | Rafeiro | ups, hi |
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| 13:46.01 | filePeter | goug: but youâre preferences said something "experimental".... |
| 13:46.16 | Rafeiro | i have nvidia drivers working, but when i set up the secondary screen i have no decent resolutions to use with it, how can i add more resolutions ? |
| 13:46.33 | goug | filePeter: no, it did not |
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| 13:46.55 | goug | it only refers to a repository for a dvorak-like package |
| 13:47.10 | filePeter | goug: It does: 1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ experimental/main i386 Packages |
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| 13:47.13 | goug | and only concerns packages xkb-data libx11-data console-data |
| 13:47.37 | goug | filePeter: ah, I thought you were talking of /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:47.51 | goug | yes, this may be a good clue |
| 13:48.03 | filePeter | goug: Maybe apt-get install -t stable mplayer ?! |
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| 13:48.36 | goug | filePeter: you're a king :) |
| 13:48.59 | goug | now I got to understand why it tried to check out experimental |
| 13:49.14 | goug | and to check that not all my install is experimental⦠|
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| 13:49.19 | filePeter | goug: Somehow your apt has some experimental settings from debian-multimedia... (apt-cache policy) |
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| 13:50.22 | goug | anyway now I have mplayer working |
| 13:50.25 | goug | filePeter: thanks again |
| 13:50.36 | goug | I'll figure out the experimental issue myself |
| 13:50.39 | goug | later⦠|
| 13:50.42 | filePeter | goug: youâre welcome. |
| 13:51.01 | goug | \quit cheers |
| 13:51.06 | goug | arf |
| 13:51.11 | filePeter | hehe |
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| 13:52.55 | goug | hi again |
| 13:52.59 | goug | filePeter: got it |
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| 13:53.20 | goug | I have a multimedia file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 13:53.43 | goug | which allows me to check out debian-multimedia experimental |
| 13:53.46 | goug | ⦠|
| 13:54.36 | goug | so the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory will be a good thing to check next time ;) |
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| 13:55.14 | Ludite | Hello, I have an NSLU2 running lenny 5.0 that i use to backup my music library and home directories to. I have been using rsync and passwordless ssh to do this but i managed to break the process. Now when my cron script executes its asking for my password. I am able to ssh to lenny asswordlessly though so i'm at a loss as to how to correct the problem. any help wouuld be greatly apprecidated. |
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| 13:57.47 | abrotman | asswordlessly eh ? |
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| 13:58.25 | abrotman | Ludite: tried a -v in there for flavor? |
| 13:58.33 | oldirty | this is not the first time your lawn has been defecated upon, i gather? |
| 13:58.45 | oldirty | (directed at abrotman) |
| 13:58.50 | Ludite | ?? |
| 13:58.56 | abrotman | Ludite: to get more debug info |
| 13:59.14 | Ludite | ok ty will try that and post the results |
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| 14:00.40 | Ludite | /usr/bin/rsync -avlrz -e "ssh -l XXXXXXXX" --delete --perms --partial --exclude-from=/usr/local/bin/exclude-from-backup-list /home 192.168.X.X:/userbackups/XXXXXXXXXX >> /var/log/hourly_backup.log |
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| 14:00.53 | Ludite | Above is the rsync command from my scriptt |
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| 14:01.30 | Ludite | abrotman: Above is the rsync command from my scriptt |
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| 14:02.01 | abrotman | Ludite: i meant, what's the outpput of the ssh command .. put a -v before the -l, and run the script |
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| 14:04.54 | Ludite | aprotman: result of failed rsync command /etc/cron.hourly/hourly-backup-sh: |
| 14:04.54 | Ludite | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 14:04.54 | Ludite | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 14:04.54 | Ludite | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender] |
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| 14:06.10 | battaglin | proper way to rsync between 2 machines running on non standard ssh ports? |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | are you asking or telling? |
| 14:06.34 | battaglin | sorry |
| 14:06.37 | battaglin | asking |
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| 14:08.42 | jelly | battaglin: would you settle for merely "working" instead of "proper" |
| 14:08.59 | TheWarden | Hi, after editing /etc/network/interfaces, what is the proper way to restart the network since /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated? |
| 14:09.30 | jelly | battaglin: one way, set Port for that Host in $HOME/.ssh/config\ |
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| 14:09.37 | abrotman | TheWarden: ifup/ifdown |
| 14:10.09 | battaglin | TheWarden: ifup |
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| 14:10.13 | battaglin | oh |
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| 14:10.24 | jelly | battaglin: another way, set a custom ssh/rsh command for rsync and give it -Pport |
| 14:10.24 | TheWarden | Thanks guys |
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| 14:10.56 | battaglin | jelly: hmm ok maybe I placed the -P wrong then |
| 14:11.00 | duxklr | battaglin: rsync -av -e 'ssh -c blowfish -P 2222' /source/dir user@host.example.com:/dest/dir |
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| 14:11.19 | duxklr | I presume that would work (although I have not tested it). |
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| 14:11.30 | battaglin | duxklr: thnx a lot |
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| 14:12.13 | jelly | script kiddies ought to start scanning port 2222 already |
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| 14:12.50 | TheWarden | If one edits /etc/network/interfaces and the server gets rebooted shouldn't what you have in "interfaces" be created again at startup? I'm trying to create an alias of eth0 to add another IP address. The alias NIC is eth0:1. |
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| 14:13.56 | jelly | TheWarden: you need an auto line for each alias separately |
| 14:14.16 | unkmar | each alias for what? |
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| 14:15.23 | TheWarden | jelly: well I believe I have done that correctly, here is my "interfaces", http://pastebin.com/z0xPyw8w. |
| 14:16.07 | jelly | TheWarden: well, eth0:1 can't be configured if eth0 isn't configured first |
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| 14:16.38 | jelly | TheWarden: do you really need both the static and the dhcp assigned address |
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| 14:17.39 | jelly | TheWarden: get rid of NetworkManager, go back to interfaces(5) config for eth0 as well |
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| 14:18.43 | battaglin | TheWarden: do it like this http://pastebin.com/Rx9uLkiP |
| 14:18.47 | TheWarden | jelly: I only added the auto eth0:1 and below the rest is what was already present. |
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| 14:19.24 | jelly | TheWarden: I'm explaining why this setup doesn't get eth0:1 configured at boot time |
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| 14:20.13 | jelly | TheWarden: my guess is ifupdown wants a configured eth0 to bring up the additional address, and it's not configured at that time but later |
| 14:20.23 | unkmar | I have lenny. Any reasone why find will run as nobody and seem to just hang around for a very long time? |
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| 14:21.03 | jelly | TheWarden: in short, don't mix ifupdown (interfaces(5)) and NetworkManager -- use one or the other |
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| 14:21.32 | TheWarden | jelly: okay, thanks. So what I'm confused of is that eth0 auto configs on its own at least it always has for me. Now being that this is my first time editing this file, are you saying that to add another IP address on the same NIC I must first define eth0 as you shown me and then add additional NIC ips below? |
| 14:21.45 | unkmar | NetworkManager has pretty gui. NetworkManager pretty annoying to get any real control over. |
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| 14:22.12 | jelly | unkmar: cron job to update the "locate" tool database, started from /etc/cron.daily/ (look for find* or *locate*) |
| 14:23.22 | jelly | unkmar: to figure that out by yourself, you could use a tool like pstree to find out which process and/or service is find's parent |
| 14:24.08 | unkmar | jelly: yeah, Next time it hangs to a point I can't get my wireless to work and get online and ask for help. :( |
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| 14:24.38 | jelly | unkmar: is it kill-9able? |
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| 14:25.46 | unkmar | yeah, I killed it without kill -9. Then has /var/log mkdir errors, everytime I attempted sudo. :( Couldn't ifdown or ifup. |
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| 14:26.17 | unkmar | s/has/had |
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| 14:26.29 | jelly | TheWarden: it doesn't autoconfig on its own, your (workstation-type) installation has a service called NetworkManager that configures it, but it runs only after you log in to X |
| 14:26.47 | unkmar | jelly: so, I did the only thing I knew how to do, reboot. |
| 14:27.02 | jelly | unkmar: which Debian release |
| 14:27.07 | unkmar | lenny |
| 14:27.37 | hotwings | anyone here with first-hand experience using systemd with debian? ive read conflicting bits about it - some give praise, some say its trash |
| 14:27.42 | unkmar | I'm concerned about my hdd. where shall I check. |
| 14:28.06 | TheWarden | jelly: oh I see, thanks. |
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| 14:30.43 | jelly | TheWarden: I don't know whether NetworkManager supports that setup. I'd disable it, and go back to using /etc/network/interfaces for eth0 and eth0:1 |
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| 14:31.00 | jelly | TheWarden: or just use a single static IP if you can |
| 14:31.28 | TheWarden | jelly: Yeah I need multiple IPs... I'll test it out and see. Thanks for the help. |
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| 14:32.35 | jelly | or use multiple static IPs ;-) |
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| 14:34.23 | TheWarden | jelly: Yes I am using multiple static IPs actually. |
| 14:35.39 | unkmar | Hmm, the system gave me a warning m essage and then rebooted. I wonder what it was. I didn't get a chance to completely read it. |
| 14:35.48 | TheWarden | jelly: I feel stupid for asking this but what is "network" suppose to be? I know what address, broadcast, netmask and gateway is. |
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| 14:36.31 | jelly | TheWarden: the settings are a bit redundant -- network can be deduced from address and netmask, and is the 0th address of that segment |
| 14:38.24 | TheWarden | jelly: Ahh so if address is 192.168.0.174 and netmask is 255.255.255.0 then network is 192.168.0.0? |
| 14:39.17 | unkmar | TheWarden: network would be 192.168.0.1-255 where 255 is broadcast. |
| 14:39.18 | jelly | TheWarden: correct. You can use the ipcalc tool to test and play around, try eg. "ipcalc 10.9.0.67/29" |
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| 14:39.50 | jelly | unkmar: in CIDR notation, the network address is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 14:39.58 | unkmar | oh, that. |
| 14:40.02 | jelly | or 192.168.0.0 with netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 14:45.33 | perlsyntax | Does anyone use emacs and jde? |
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| 14:45.57 | perlsyntax | Do i need all the dvd for debain dvd iso? |
| 14:46.03 | unkmar | perlsyntax: jed. and I don't |
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| 14:46.25 | TheWarden | jelly: Okay thanks, ahh I wasn't ware of ipcalc. Cool little app. |
| 14:46.32 | perlsyntax | i just asking becuase JDe for emacs don't work with jde. |
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| 14:47.39 | jelly | perlsyntax: you need an internet connection and the netinst image |
| 14:47.52 | perlsyntax | i see |
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| 14:48.25 | abrotman | JDE? |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | Java Development Environment ? |
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| 14:50.26 | TheWarden | when I do ifup -a I receive a message of "username specified with no parameter". What does this mean? |
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| 15:01.01 | jelly | *blink* |
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| 15:01.14 | jelly | TheWarden: is that the actual, full command line, run as root? |
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| 15:02.19 | hotwings | so nobody has tried systemd huh |
| 15:02.47 | TheWarden | jelly: yes I did "sudo ifup -a". |
| 15:03.35 | TheWarden | lol well, I can't get connected to my system now after doing the changes to /etc/network/interfaces :) |
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| 15:05.36 | gtaylor | Anyone know of a Debian EC2 AMI with 2.6.39 or higher? |
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| 15:06.41 | jelly | TheWarden: if you run "ifup -a" from an actual root shell, does that message still happen? |
| 15:07.14 | jelly | TheWarden: it looks more like a sudo thing |
| 15:08.21 | TheWarden | jelly: Actually not sure never tried that I can in a bit. For now I have a more pressing matter, I did the changes as you described and now I have no network interfaces after a reboot other than lo which is 127.0.0.1. Mmmm |
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| 15:09.44 | jelly | TheWarden: pastebin the current interfaces |
| 15:09.45 | TheWarden | jelly: this is what I have now, http://pastebin.com/c3HiSiuh. |
| 15:09.50 | TheWarden | done :) |
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| 15:10.08 | jelly | TheWarden: you're missing "auto eth0" |
| 15:10.23 | jelly | or "allow-hotplug eth0" |
| 15:10.56 | jelly | doesn't even know what allow-hotplug does differently from auto |
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| 15:12.59 | TheWarden | jelly: lol ops that would definitely do it :). |
| 15:13.04 | TCW | jelly, it is meant for usb / pccard network cards |
| 15:13.14 | TheWarden | jelly: I believe there are the same thing from what I understand. |
| 15:13.23 | TCW | but does no harm with pci nics too |
| 15:13.25 | TheWarden | oh |
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| 15:16.11 | zach23 | how do i fix a grub install via a live CD on a debian squeeze system. every time i install grub-pc, I get the error "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)". It is a chroot environment but yes, /dev is mounted |
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| 15:17.16 | jelly | zach23: also get /sys and /proc |
| 15:17.29 | jelly | zach23: and verify device.map is sane |
| 15:17.57 | zach23 | ahh jelly |
| 15:18.02 | zach23 | remember me with the sda problems |
| 15:18.11 | zach23 | i got a ubuntu disk and chrooted my debian system |
| 15:18.12 | jelly | can't say I do, sorry |
| 15:18.23 | zach23 | and am finishing updating the apt-get package updates for me to install the kernel |
| 15:18.27 | zach23 | from backports |
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| 15:18.40 | zach23 | from yesterday - the kernel in squeeze wasn't playing nice with the megaraid system |
| 15:18.46 | zach23 | anyhow, /proc is there but empty |
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| 15:18.55 | zach23 | as it's a rescue system |
| 15:18.58 | jelly | that means it's not there :-) |
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| 15:19.22 | jelly | bind-mount it from outside the chroot, or do mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 15:19.26 | zach23 | so what can i do for grub to install? |
| 15:19.46 | shirish | hi all, does anybody know how I can find bug #1 in the debian BTS |
| 15:20.16 | zach23 | jelly: I want the system's /proc in /tmp/root/proc essentially? (where /tmp/root) is the squeeze partitions |
| 15:20.22 | jelly | shirish: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1 |
| 15:20.57 | jelly | zach23: yes. /proc and /sys are virtual filesystems, contents provided by the kernel |
| 15:21.00 | shirish | jelly: there is no record of bug#1 . I am looking for the first bug recorded in the debian BTS. |
| 15:21.20 | jelly | shirish: why |
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| 15:21.55 | shirish | jelly: trying to get historical data about the debian bts. This is the output I get |
| 15:21.55 | shirish | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.27 | zach23 | jelly: what file system for sys |
| 15:22.38 | jelly | zach23: sysfs I think |
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| 15:23.37 | shirish | jelly: the earliest I could find so far is bug #100000 which is of June 2001. Was the Debian BTS before that or something else ? |
| 15:23.42 | zach23 | jelly: I did both those; device.map is an empty file |
| 15:23.42 | shirish | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=100000 |
| 15:24.06 | zach23 | jelly: (hd0)/dev/sda ? |
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| 15:25.07 | jelly | shirish: I don't know. If you use a binary search method to find the lowest number report in BTS, you're going to find http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=50004 |
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| 15:25.40 | romgo | Hello since I upgraded to squeeze It seems that, for ldap auth with apache2, I have to specify the path of ldap certificate with LDAPTrustedGlobalCert, I don't really know why. Any idear ? |
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| 15:26.04 | zach23 | jelly: no luck..same message... ugh.. |
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| 15:26.09 | shirish | jelly: how did you get that number ? |
| 15:26.24 | jelly | shirish: using... a binary search method to find the lowest number report in BTS |
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| 15:26.37 | jelly | how else! |
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| 15:28.05 | webad_13 | I'd like to boot different OS only once on the next reboot - I'm on grub2... would this work: echo "savedefault --default=someNumber --once" | grub --batch |
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| 15:28.58 | Devastator | well, it has been a long time since i don't use debian or linux at all, how do i check if i have isa support in debian? i can't remember.. |
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| 15:29.47 | jelly | shirish: 1? not found 100000? yes 50000? no 75000? yes 62500? yes 56250? yes ... |
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| 15:31.14 | Devastator | humm.. i guess checking /boot would work.. |
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| 15:31.30 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 15:32.05 | gypsymauro | what's used by packages to display dialogs? I was thinking about 'dialog' program but I'm wrong |
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| 15:32.21 | zach23 | jelly: got it going - i did a mount bind as you suggested. one last question - upgrading the kernel to backports - i need to put the backports into the sources.list and simply install it? |
| 15:32.26 | jelly | shirish: but why not ask Debian BTS Administrators, <owner youknowwhattoputinhere bugs.debian.org> |
| 15:32.35 | jelly | zach23: yes |
| 15:32.36 | zach23 | jelly: won't it also upgrade linux-base and all these other packages? |
| 15:32.40 | jelly | zach23: it will |
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| 15:33.21 | jelly | zach23: the set of packages upgraded should be closely related to the kernel |
| 15:33.23 | shirish | jelly: that is the last option, sure but first wanted to find out what is known informally. |
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| 15:34.27 | jelly | funny how sending a nice mail to the people actually in charge and having the info you need would be the last option |
| 15:35.05 | jelly | shirish: there'a a #debian-bugs channel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:35.52 | Devastator | bummer, i do have isa support in kernel but where is the card gone? :| |
| 15:36.20 | shirish | jelly: I just asked there as well ;) |
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| 15:43.23 | nsadmin | , find bin/aconnect |
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| 15:44.42 | RafaFuturo | hi |
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| 15:46.18 | oops | how can I copy text from clipboard into urxvt? |
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| 15:46.53 | superlinux | hi . I am getting this message on my terminal : kernel:[ 877.510321] Code: 4c 89 63 18 48 89 6b 10 48 c7 43 40 00 00 00 00 48 89 83 b8 00 00 00 49 8b 86 30 01 00 00 48 85 c0 74 61 48 8b 08 48 85 c9 74 50 <83> 39 02 74 54 48 8b 81 48 02 00 00 65 ff 00 83 3d e2 8c 58 00 |
| 15:47.02 | superlinux | what is that? |
| 15:47.03 | RafaFuturo | is debian good for development |
| 15:47.14 | zach23 | jelly: perfect...got it going...now is grub installed to /dev/sda or /boot (/dev/sda1 in my case)? |
| 15:47.21 | superlinux | RafaFuturo, yes. good enough |
| 15:47.27 | jelly | oops: clipboard or primary selection? Shift-Insert for the former, middle button mouse for the latter |
| 15:47.39 | jelly | zach23: the whole disk |
| 15:48.11 | zach23 | jelly: Thank you, I get this - i mean it boots up fine but still... "usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This GPT partition label has no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible!." |
| 15:48.12 | jelly | superlinux: that's not the only message. find more in dmesg output or /var/log/kern.log if you're lucky |
| 15:48.27 | superlinux | ok jelly |
| 15:48.50 | jelly | zach23: are you, in fact, using a GPT format? |
| 15:49.00 | zach23 | jelly: the latest kernel had a working driver for the RAID card so it came up just fine. Thank you so much for your suggestions and help on this matter. In the future are there Debian builds with latest kernels to install from (CD)? |
| 15:49.11 | zach23 | jelly: I did not configure anything for GPT, etc? How do you mean? |
| 15:49.41 | jelly | zach23: how did you partition the device |
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| 15:49.59 | jelly | zach23: did you use the classical DOS partition table or GPT |
| 15:50.12 | zach23 | jelly: I think there is a dell partition in there |
| 15:50.26 | zach23 | jelly: everything is ext3 /dev/sda1 .. 6 |
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| 15:50.42 | oops | jelly, shift + insert doesn't work. |
| 15:51.04 | jelly | oops: works for me! |
| 15:51.22 | oops | jelly, I copy text from vim using visual mode "+p and I can't paste it into urxvt using shift + insert |
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| 15:51.53 | jelly | oops: vim doesn't touch the X clipboard at all |
| 15:51.54 | oops | sorry, I meant "+y |
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| 15:53.10 | jelly | oops: use the standard selection style paste if you can -- select the text with left button depressed, paste with middle click |
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| 15:53.23 | jelly | often the simplest way |
| 15:53.37 | oops | okay |
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| 16:06.50 | nsadmin | , find bin/aconnectgui |
| 16:07.34 | nsadmin | , file bin/aconnectgui |
| 16:07.39 | judd | bin/aconnectgui in squeeze/i386: aconnectgui: usr/bin/aconnectgui |
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| 16:09.55 | sharia | why does the new kernel make from my IDE hda disk a sda disk and what happened to my ATA sda disk ? |
| 16:10.12 | valdyn_ | sharia: its probably sdb |
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| 16:10.40 | nsadmin | upon trying to use aconnectgui, I get permission denied on /dev/snd/seq, whose ls -l line reads crw------- 1 root root 116, 1 Aug 2 01:16 /dev/snd/seq |
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| 16:11.00 | abrotman | is there a question there? |
| 16:11.01 | valdyn_ | sharia: there used to be 2 seperate apis to write a driver for storage in linux, theres only one now |
| 16:11.02 | sharia | why if i boot into an older kernel it still says the the root / partition which used to be hda is suddenly also sda ? |
| 16:11.20 | nsadmin | let's generate some! |
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| 16:12.26 | nsadmin | am I supposed to be root to run this program? is the fact it's root"root 600 an error? if so, what should be done to correct this? |
| 16:12.28 | Pirx-Danford | cheers I have a symbios logic 53c1030 raid controller and am looking if there is some out of the box solution to check the raid status, anyone able to give me a hint? so far it seems I have to get the raidman thing from ibm running, which I would rather like not to do |
| 16:12.29 | valdyn_ | sharia: so your hda is sda when linux is using the newer driver for your disk controller |
| 16:12.46 | sharia | ok i get that |
| 16:12.59 | sharia | thats the new 3.0.0.1 kernel |
| 16:13.30 | valdyn_ | sharia: that transition has been going for years |
| 16:13.54 | nsadmin | why does my machine seem to be protecting my midi ports with its life? |
| 16:14.09 | sharia | but when i boot into what used to be IDE hda5 partition which contains an 2.6.26 kernel with lenny then suddenly also that root / partition is /dev/sda ? |
| 16:14.24 | valdyn_ | sharia: you changed bios settings |
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| 16:14.55 | sharia | no i only upgraded what used to be hda1 with a new kernel and suddenly its weird |
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| 16:15.05 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.40 | sharia | ok i mean /dev/sda1 but also what used to be /dev/hdaX is now /dev/sdaX |
| 16:15.47 | valdyn_ | sharia: it is possible that you always had both drivers |
| 16:16.01 | RafaFuturo | how do i satar graphical mode on debian? |
| 16:16.07 | valdyn_ | sharia: and which one is loaded can depend on various things that arent your kernel itself |
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| 16:16.27 | nsadmin | sharia, yeah, your driver is now using the scsi subsystem |
| 16:17.17 | jelly | Pirx-Danford: which driver does it use? Try searching for a tool: apt-cache search LSI raid |
| 16:17.18 | sharia | so what used to be sda should be sdb and what about what used to be sdb? is that sdc ? |
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| 16:19.50 | babe23f | i just dont understand it |
| 16:19.55 | Pirx-Danford | jelly: thanks, this helped me find mpt-status, installing and trying if it works :) |
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| 16:21.48 | nsadmin | babe23f, *shrug* you had to be there |
| 16:22.27 | nsadmin | it's just a newer driver that has decided to use a different name in /dev |
| 16:23.02 | nsadmin | outwardly, that's all there is to it... inwardly, there's history |
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| 16:25.19 | babe23f | where or how can i find the corresponding UUID number for a partition ? |
| 16:26.22 | syslq | babe23f: mount I think |
| 16:26.27 | nsadmin | well some partitions have uuids... but the easiest way would be to boot the old kernel (so you can get at it) and then look in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 16:26.41 | nsadmin | is it that you cannot boot? |
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| 16:27.17 | nsadmin | if you can and are already booted, you can just look in that dir |
| 16:27.41 | nsadmin | and you'll see... |
| 16:27.43 | nsadmin | uuids |
| 16:28.28 | babe23f | so how do you homers know what disk and what partition belongs to an UUID ? |
| 16:28.44 | babe23f | UUIDs dont make it any easier ? |
| 16:28.58 | zinx | blkid |
| 16:29.00 | nsadmin | is not a homer... does that mean I'm not being addressed? |
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| 16:29.38 | babe23f | nsadmin: you have to admit using those uuid numbers is more for nerds than the more readable /dev/hda and so on |
| 16:29.58 | zinx | no, it's for use in applications |
| 16:30.01 | nsadmin | and that is related to homers in what way? |
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| 16:31.13 | nsadmin | I mean, I'm not disrespecting you by saying barbie or slut or how desperate your nick sounds... |
| 16:31.23 | valdyn_ | babe23f: uuids are for unique identification, not for readability |
| 16:31.32 | valdyn_ | babe23f: youre free to use labals instead |
| 16:31.38 | valdyn_ | babe23f: *labels* |
| 16:32.16 | babe23f | but how can i use a label in fstab or in lilo.conf ? |
| 16:32.24 | valdyn_ | babe23f: same way you use uuids |
| 16:32.26 | zinx | in fstab, LABEL=foo |
| 16:32.37 | zinx | lilo, i have no clue, i haven't used that for years |
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| 16:32.51 | nsadmin | babe23f, so just because you're being made to cough up a little effort doesn't mean that you should consider yourself a nerd or anyone else |
| 16:32.54 | valdyn_ | non-nerds shouldnt be using lilo anyway |
| 16:33.37 | babe23f | but you agree that people do not type ip addresses when they browse the internet nsadmin |
| 16:33.48 | valdyn_ | babe23f: dont start trolling please |
| 16:33.55 | nsadmin | of course not, you cut and paste. |
| 16:34.05 | nsadmin | just like you don't memorize the periodic table |
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| 16:34.51 | babe23f | therefor using uuids for partitions doesnt make so much sense |
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| 16:35.13 | babe23f | its taking a step backwards |
| 16:35.17 | babe23f | but ok |
| 16:35.18 | nsadmin | well except for the fact that they remain constant |
| 16:35.20 | babe23f | whatever |
| 16:35.35 | valdyn_ | babe23f: everyone uses uuids, not just your fstab |
| 16:35.44 | valdyn_ | battaglin: and they do so for very good reasons |
| 16:35.46 | nsadmin | it's pretty evident you don't want to use them... and you don't have to |
| 16:35.55 | valdyn_ | gah, gone |
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| 16:36.13 | nsadmin | probably because you want to retain your status as a babe |
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| 16:36.58 | peterius | anyone here use gnash? |
| 16:37.07 | valdyn_ | !anyone use |
| 16:37.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:37.23 | peterius | HA HA |
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| 16:37.29 | nsadmin | !test |
| 16:37.29 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 16:37.40 | peterius | no but seriously, anyone use it? I need help checking something |
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| 16:37.57 | valdyn_ | peterius: though you laugh, its not a joke, dont ask if anyone uses something |
| 16:38.20 | peterius | in this case its a legitimate question |
| 16:38.31 | valdyn_ | peterius: it isnt, just ask what you really need |
| 16:38.37 | peterius | i need someone to check a website with gnash |
| 16:38.43 | peterius | i would pm them |
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| 16:38.53 | valdyn_ | peterius: wrong channel then |
| 16:38.54 | tharkun | Gentlemen does anyone know of a cli music player that can handle m4a files? |
| 16:38.55 | he1kki | Hi! Could someone help me with disastrous upgrade from lenny to squeeze? I think that I managed to update all my packages before installing new kernel. And now situation is about this http://pastebin.com/mtzVa6wQ |
| 16:38.59 | nsadmin | phishing attempt :) |
| 16:39.04 | Pirx-Danford | jelly: you are my hero, mpt-status works like a charm! |
| 16:39.11 | zinx | peterius: no, you need someone to help check something, or so you said.. the legitimate question would be the one asking to check what you need checked, or asking how to check it, depending.. |
| 16:39.17 | peterius | no, not a phising attempt, I want to see if it works on a website flash game |
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| 16:39.48 | peterius | ugh, well I figured I'd keep it out of the public channel since its not helpful to anyone else |
| 16:40.16 | peterius | but sure I'll clutter up the channel with it http://skyrama.bigpoint.com/ |
| 16:40.18 | Pirx-Danford | now that this works its closing time, have a good one folks! |
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| 16:40.41 | peterius | also anyone know if gnash has limitations on flash AIR? |
| 16:41.19 | peterius | I guess someone would have to make an account, so just if anyone knows what kind of limitations gnash has, that would be helpful |
| 16:41.33 | peterius | i.e., does anyone use gnash |
| 16:41.33 | valdyn_ | !tell peterius -about smart questions |
| 16:41.42 | nsadmin | peterius, ok, what has you wanting someone else to do it? can you test it yourself? |
| 16:42.02 | peterius | look, if you don't use gnash, then why bother me? |
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| 16:42.23 | th0r | whoa...attitude! |
| 16:42.26 | nsadmin | because it's a legitimate question |
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| 16:43.11 | peterius | its not a legitimate question, if someone used gnash, they could tell me, oh it works with most websites, but I can't play flash games, or certain flash games fail, or it has no AIR support, or it works only up to things dependent on version x |
| 16:43.21 | peterius | instead I get you idlers nitpicking me about nonsense |
| 16:43.49 | zinx | you don't have to use gnash to know what limitations it has :/ |
| 16:43.58 | zinx | and most people will not respond to polls on use |
| 16:44.00 | nsadmin | peterius, so how would this not be advertising? how would it not be an attempt to get them to spend their money? |
| 16:44.22 | zinx | (even if they do use <X>) |
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| 16:44.45 | peterius | what? I have no idea what either of you are talking about |
| 16:44.48 | peterius | so no one uses gnash here? |
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| 16:45.00 | zinx | in any case, the last time i looked at gnash, it barely supported anything |
| 16:45.14 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 16:45.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:45.20 | nsadmin | !polls |
| 16:45.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 16:45.34 | peterius | well I'm not taking a poll, so that doesn't apply, but thanks |
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| 16:45.41 | valdyn_ | peterius: youre very off topic here |
| 16:45.44 | peterius | and I had a question: does anyone use gnash |
| 16:45.50 | peterius | its the debian channel, how is that off topic? |
| 16:45.53 | valdyn_ | peterius: and youre lucky youre not kicked yet |
| 16:45.58 | peterius | why? |
| 16:46.16 | valdyn_ | peterius: this is a debian support channel, not your website testers |
| 16:46.20 | peterius | I guess no one who uses debian uses gnash |
| 16:46.29 | peterius | I'm not looking for website testers and that's why I was going to PM whoever responded |
| 16:46.46 | nsadmin | you can guess that all you want... it doesn't affect the truth |
| 16:46.51 | peterius | I was hoping that someone who used gnash could give me an idea of what it handled and doesn't |
| 16:46.59 | peterius | affect the truth of what? what the hell are you talking about? |
| 16:47.42 | Bushmills | peterius: "so no one uses gnash here" ... i guess you can count me into that. |
| 16:47.53 | jelly | peterius: a better question would be "can someone with gnash from current Debian stable test my page on http://foo/bar/" |
| 16:48.01 | peterius | Bushmills, you use gnash? |
| 16:48.23 | Bushmills | peterius: what's the current score. No, you asked for "no one" - i'm one of those "no ones" |
| 16:48.23 | valdyn_ | jelly: not enough enter in there ;) |
| 16:48.47 | peterius | jelly: that doesn't really help me that much, I sort of asked that and got lambasted by valdyn_ and nsadmin |
| 16:48.51 | peterius | whatever, you guys are a bunch of assholes, I'll try somewhere else with less idiots looking to hassle people |
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| 16:49.06 | jelly | yep |
| 16:49.12 | he1kki | I have a prob with Lenny-Squeeze upgrade. I'm running Debian 2.6.26-2-686, which I think means that upgrade managed to upgrade my linux image. However none of the services (mysql, proftpd so on) are not working, and my personal quess is that upgrade suddenly stopped. Apt-get dist-upgrade gives me only http://pastebin.com/mtzVa6wQ |
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| 16:49.38 | nsadmin | basic logic inability... basic inability to follow conversations... problems with being called on your bullshit... |
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| 16:49.56 | valdyn_ | he1kki: first thing you should have done is upgrade the kernel iirc |
| 16:50.05 | systemclient | I want to use apt-cacher-ng with aptitude. Does aptitude recognize apt's /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02proxy? |
| 16:50.26 | valdyn_ | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 16:50.26 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 16:50.41 | valdyn_ | he1kki: right now: i think "apt-get -f install" and read ^^ |
| 16:50.43 | Bushmills | now that was fun :) |
| 16:51.00 | nsadmin | what does m-a need to build broadcom-sta? I'm getting build errors |
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| 16:51.16 | valdyn_ | nsadmin: you did use m-a a-i ? |
| 16:51.26 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 16:51.33 | nsadmin | and it pulled stuff in |
| 16:51.41 | he1kki | valdyn_: Yeap, I did notice naturally afterwards that I did upgrade in wrong order. Parameter -f doesn't do anything. |
| 16:51.51 | nsadmin | but it's saying things like X is not a member of Y |
| 16:52.00 | nsadmin | I could get you a complete build log |
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| 16:52.19 | valdyn_ | he1kki: "apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" gives what ? |
| 16:52.56 | he1kki | valdyn_: To make matters worse, I actually 1) search+replaced sources.list lenny -> squeeze, and run upgrade. And I think that it's the main problem |
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| 16:53.24 | valdyn_ | he1kki: nah, thats part of the usual procedure |
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| 16:53.46 | nsadmin | he1kki, there's some prep work to do before doing that, well to make it safer in more cases |
| 16:53.51 | valdyn_ | he1kki: mistake is skipping the "upgrade kernel first" |
| 16:54.15 | he1kki | "apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" gives "apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" |
| 16:54.25 | nsadmin | you'd want to also reboot into that new kernel before doing the rest of the upgrade |
| 16:54.29 | he1kki | Obs, meant to say "apt-get -s install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" gives http://pastebin.com/U28ssgiY |
| 16:55.01 | nsadmin | in lenny you could grab a .32 from backports |
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| 16:55.18 | valdyn_ | he1kki: do you need networking to get this upgrade done or only after? |
| 16:55.19 | nsadmin | that should do it |
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| 16:55.49 | he1kki | valdyn_: No, still at office so I'm able to access locally |
| 16:56.02 | nsadmin | he could aptitude -d dist-upgrade, then upgrade/boot kernel, then continue |
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| 16:56.10 | valdyn_ | he1kki: ok, i wouls say skip the -s and really install that kernel, then reboot |
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| 16:56.43 | valdyn_ | he1kki: that backport of the .32 kernel might not be useful at the current state or it might, I dont know |
| 16:56.53 | nsadmin | work machine? you're the only user? |
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| 16:57.07 | valdyn_ | he1kki: and note what dpkg said, thats for fixing specific drivers that rely on firmware that used to be included in kernels at lenny |
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| 16:57.36 | valdyn_ | he1kki: i dont see a grave problem though |
| 16:57.54 | valdyn_ | he1kki: ( unless youre on a very tight schedule... ) |
| 16:57.58 | he1kki | nsadmin: Production server actually, so it has usually quite a load of users. ATM in maintenance window |
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| 16:58.54 | he1kki | Ok, and just to be safe side, how should I install that new kernel? |
| 16:59.05 | valdyn_ | he1kki: same comand, just skip the -s |
| 16:59.28 | me-1 | hi...how to convert an flv to mobile mp4 mobile format |
| 16:59.44 | valdyn_ | me-1: have you tried handbrake? |
| 17:00.07 | he1kki | yeap, that was too easy. Same problem, http://pastebin.com/rbi6avFX |
| 17:00.36 | valdyn_ | he1kki: your disk is full |
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| 17:00.44 | nsadmin | he1kki, ok, so I assume that all storage on that machine is backed up |
| 17:00.55 | valdyn_ | he1kki: thats still not a grave problem |
| 17:01.11 | nsadmin | probably you should pause until you can confirm that |
| 17:01.20 | valdyn_ | he1kki: remove stuff from /var/cache/apt/archives/, you no longer need most of the stuff in it, but dont remove the kernel deb |
| 17:01.44 | me-1 | valdyn_, is it in debian squeeze repos..? |
| 17:01.52 | he1kki | valdyn_: Nope, there should be disk space enough |
| 17:02.03 | valdyn_ | he1kki: no should, the disk is full, theres no doubt |
| 17:02.10 | nsadmin | probably you ran out in /var |
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| 17:02.20 | nsadmin | show output of df /var |
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| 17:02.39 | valdyn_ | he1kki: df -h, df -i -> and paste |
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| 17:03.03 | he1kki | valdyn_: http://pastebin.com/jyBAFcrF |
| 17:03.49 | valdyn_ | he1kki: "df -i" is missing |
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| 17:04.49 | he1kki | valdyn_: http://pastebin.com/Y9j6fvd2 |
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| 17:05.35 | valdyn_ | he1kki: it could be /tmp making problems |
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| 17:06.36 | rublind | anyone have any hints / tips / tricks for troubleshooting pipes / fifos? |
| 17:07.04 | he1kki | valdyn_: /var was full 2 hours ago, but I removed about 50% of files |
| 17:07.14 | scaraozki | tips,tricks and tracks |
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| 17:07.23 | he1kki | valdyn_: Could that have something to do with it? |
| 17:07.47 | valdyn_ | he1kki: well, it *was* full, now it is not |
| 17:08.14 | valdyn_ | he1kki: your / is very small |
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| 17:08.43 | valdyn_ | he1kki: thats not enough for that kernel |
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| 17:09.33 | valdyn_ | he1kki: the installed size is 76MB, your free space is 57 |
| 17:10.04 | valdyn_ | he1kki: and a site note, your partitioning layout will probably soon be unsupported |
| 17:10.12 | valdyn_ | he1kki: but not yet with squeeze |
| 17:10.24 | he1kki | Aa, now I see. I'm bit confused with this strange partition table, but I have managed to live with it till today |
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| 17:12.36 | he1kki | valdyn_: I try to figure out where can I free space, bbl! Thanks for support, saved my night |
| 17:12.38 | valdyn_ | im sure someone new to how this works must have set up this box |
| 17:12.48 | valdyn_ | he1kki: good luck |
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| 17:13.26 | valdyn_ | i mean, laving space for 2 kernels at most, thats outragous |
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| 17:17.34 | twobitsprite | valdyn_: I usually only keep the current kernal and the last known-working kernel |
| 17:18.26 | valdyn_ | twobitsprite: sure, but does that make it a good idea to not be able to install a third? |
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| 17:18.51 | twobitsprite | valdyn_: no, not really. In fact, I usually keep /boot on the / partition anyways |
| 17:19.10 | twobitsprite | er, actually, I guess I don't |
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| 17:19.45 | twobitsprite | I have 228M allocated to /boot on my production LDAP server |
| 17:20.06 | twobitsprite | (only 16M used) |
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| 17:21.03 | valdyn_ | twobitsprite: thats like a dozen kernels currently :) |
| 17:21.38 | Devastator | well, i have a computer with lenny and an isa nic i'm trying to get working, i've installed pnputils but lspnp doesn't detect it nor a usr 56k isa modem, i would love something to start with.. |
| 17:22.22 | fir31ight | new computer, lenovo x220 with intel 82579lm ethernet and card not showing in lspci output |
| 17:22.25 | fir31ight | hardware failure? |
| 17:22.34 | twobitsprite | valdyn_: :) |
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| 17:23.23 | twobitsprite | valdyn_: well... only 1 kernel currently, plus initrd, system.map, etc |
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| 17:25.08 | twobitsprite | the box I'm IRCing on is still running 2.6.18.8... but it's a linode so I can't install my own kernel |
| 17:25.32 | twobitsprite | er, I probably could, but not through the normal apt channels... I should actually look in to that |
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| 17:26.25 | josefig | someone knows why when I try to open rhytmbox it says >>> The database was created by a later version of Rhythmbox. blah blah |
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| 17:27.58 | Lis | becouse the database was created by a later rhythmbox version? |
| 17:29.23 | josefig | i know |
| 17:30.00 | twobitsprite | josefig: did you install an older version of rhythmbox? |
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| 17:30.27 | twobitsprite | !downgrade |
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| 17:30.27 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 17:30.33 | Devastator | can anyone suggest a google search keyword for debian lenny plus isa nic? i get a lot of junk using my keyword.. |
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| 17:31.09 | josefig | twisted`, no I didn't install any old rhythmbox version.. |
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| 17:31.55 | twobitsprite | josefig: where did you install rhythmbox from, and what version? |
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| 17:33.35 | josefig | twobitsprite, I've just installed debian squeeze net installation.. |
| 17:34.19 | twobitsprite | ,versions rhythmbox |
| 17:34.19 | judd | Package rhythmbox on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.6-1; squeeze: 0.12.8-3; wheezy: 0.12.8-3; sid: 0.12.8-5; experimental: 0.13.3-2 |
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| 17:34.36 | josefig | I had some issues, like >> jack server is not running or cannot be started, flash .. [solved] |
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| 17:35.43 | josefig | am using the 0.12.8-3 on debian x86_64 |
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| 17:37.48 | twobitsprite | hmm... I don't see any bugs listed... if this truly is a fresh install then I would recommend reporting a bug |
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| 17:38.09 | josefig | twobitsprite, let me check maybe is my bad. |
| 17:38.36 | twobitsprite | (well, there are plenty of bugs, but none that seem to match your symptom) |
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| 17:39.05 | Lis | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=update+rhythmbox+database shows this http://blog.spanger.org/?p=661 dont know if it helps since its ubuntu. I also suggest renaming the file instead of deleting it |
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| 17:43.13 | hramrach | Devastator: what NIC? |
| 17:43.46 | Devastator | hramrach it's an isa nic, probably ne2000 compatible |
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| 17:44.05 | Devastator | i tried modprobe ne, modprobe ne2 |
| 17:44.10 | hramrach | iirc the ISA support is not really good anymore and you should look at the NIC type and insert appropriate module manually |
| 17:44.52 | hramrach | also ne2k would be the simplest thing, not PnP at all so no wonder it was not detected |
| 17:44.53 | Devastator | yes.. that's what i'm currently trying, but it seems my card isn't detected at all.. |
| 17:45.21 | Devastator | hramrach there's no ne2k, only ne, ne2 and ne2k-pci |
| 17:45.36 | Devastator | i wish there were, believe me :) |
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| 17:46.15 | hramrach | if it's ne2k it might have some switches which set the IO address and IRQ which you need to match with module parameters |
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| 17:47.10 | Devastator | hramrach shouldn't it appear in lspnp's output? |
| 17:47.26 | hramrach | not if it's not PnP |
| 17:47.36 | hramrach | which many ISA cards are not |
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| 17:48.04 | Devastator | i miss pnpdump and isapnptools :( |
| 17:48.25 | hramrach | if you can get a PCI card into the machine I would suggest doing that. Much easier to work with, and much better performance too |
| 17:48.32 | Devastator | well, these are the only ones that i can think that might give me some info.. |
| 17:48.35 | chenthu | !pci |
| 17:48.35 | dpkg | Conventional PCI (Peripheral Connect Interface) was designed to supplant the VL-Bus architecture and provide a standard slot with a reduced size for high-speed peripherals. It normally runs at 33 MHz on a PC, but can run faster. PCI slots are 32-bit slots on Intel systems, but the specification allows for 64-bit, like EISA or VL-BUS, but in a compact form factor. See <pciids>, <pci-e>, <pci-x>. |
| 17:48.37 | hramrach | ISA is way too obsolete by now |
| 17:48.42 | negrete | I'm really sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm looking for some kind of process(es)/package(s)/scripts for creating a virtual host for Apache on Debian by using something like FreeBSD Jails, I mean, automating the whole hosting set-up in a Debian machine, could anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 17:49.03 | Devastator | hramrach not an option right now.. |
| 17:49.05 | ichbinder | hello. I have a question about my broken mark-paste-functionality using the middle mouse button in my debian lenny environment... can I ask that here or can somebody pls redirect me? Thanks. |
| 17:49.59 | hramrach | Devastator: I have used some cards in ISA slots but these were 3com and were PnP for sure. Still the support was poor for them in Debian back then |
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| 17:50.49 | smallchange | Devastator: isapnptools available at ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/hardware/ |
| 17:50.53 | Devastator | i was able to make it work in prior debian version, but it used to give me some info about isa cards |
| 17:50.54 | hramrach | The card might be OK but if you don't know exactly what you are dealing with it might be hard to get working |
| 17:52.14 | hramrach | you can also try to find some model number of the card and look up what it is and how it is supposed to work |
| 17:52.20 | Devastator | well, maybe i will try to guess io and irq addresses |
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| 17:53.15 | hramrach | there are hardware databases out there that still might have some info |
| 17:53.20 | chenthu | ichbinder: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/vhosts/ |
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| 17:55.24 | ichbinder | chenthu: thanks for responding. Can you point out where they speak about middle-mouse-functionality?\ |
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| 17:56.34 | negrete | chenth: I assume your answer was intended for me and yes, I know about vhosts, right now I have a .sh automating that process but I wanted to know if there is an existing solution for automating the whole process (including the jailing/chroot/lxc/whatever) |
| 17:56.47 | smallchange | Devastator: is there anything in /sys/class/net? |
| 17:56.59 | Devastator | smallchange let me check |
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| 17:57.43 | negrete | ichbinder: I think chentu's answer was intended for me, you won't find anything about your problem in the apache docs |
| 17:57.52 | smallchange | or /sys/devices/isa ? |
| 17:59.11 | ichbinder | negrete: thought so... :) |
| 17:59.22 | gnarface | on kernel 2.6.18 should appending text to a 1.3GB log file be REALLY REALLY slow? |
| 17:59.31 | gnarface | (using ext3) |
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| 18:00.02 | hramrach | what is REALLY REALLY slow? |
| 18:00.08 | ichbinder | hm, so any recommendations where to look or in what other channel i might get help? I'm not sure what exactly provides that functionality, so I could search myself... :-/ |
| 18:00.19 | hramrach | and how do you append? |
| 18:01.51 | hramrach | gnarface: if you are using a text editor then it is somewhat expected, they are not well suited for files of that size |
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| 18:02.40 | hramrach | ichbinder: on console or in X? |
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| 18:03.32 | babe23f | do i have to install vnc4server first before installing xfce4 ? |
| 18:04.26 | hramrach | babe23f: they are not related at all |
| 18:04.38 | babe23f | ok thanks |
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| 18:06.51 | twobitsprite | Oh yeah, happy 802.11 day everyone |
| 18:06.54 | Devastator | smallchange i did modprobe ne io=0x300 irq=3 and it started working |
| 18:06.57 | Devastator | thanks |
| 18:07.00 | systemclient | how unstable is testing? stable is a little dusty for me (KDE 4.4 instead of 4.6) :-/ |
| 18:07.16 | smallchange | good guess |
| 18:07.25 | twobitsprite | systemclient: testing is fine so long as you have a good working knowledge of how apt and dpkg work |
| 18:07.33 | twobitsprite | systemclient: and you don't mind occasional breakage |
| 18:07.44 | systemclient | twobitsprite: in what sense? I only use install and remove |
| 18:07.54 | systemclient | twobitsprite: kinda like ubuntu, it is kinda current, but seems kinda stable |
| 18:08.19 | hramrach | it has completely different bugs ^_^ |
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| 18:08.52 | twobitsprite | systemclient: do you know about the -f flag? or hold/unhold/etc? |
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| 18:09.35 | twobitsprite | systemclient: ever edit the /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 18:10.03 | jhutchins_lt | systemclient: We know for sure that testing WILL break from time to time as it works new bits of software in. |
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| 18:10.30 | twobitsprite | systemclient: I don't mean to scare you off, but I would at least skim through the dpkg and aptitude man pages before moving to testing, and make sure you install it on a system which wouldn't devistate you when something breaks and have the patience to fix it |
| 18:10.44 | systemclient | when is KDE 4.5 going to be put into stable? |
| 18:10.46 | jhutchins_lt | systemclient: If you always make a backup of a working system before you update, you can fall back and wait for a fix. |
| 18:10.51 | twobitsprite | systemclient: with that said, I run testing on my work laptop, and my personal web server and rarely have anything serious go wrong |
| 18:10.54 | hramrach | testing breaks in different ways from time to time, stable is just broken the same way constantly |
| 18:10.56 | systemclient | this is my main production-life-depends machine, so I guess I go stable |
| 18:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | systemclient: It's not. Stable is stable - it remains the same. |
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| 18:11.05 | hramrach | so it won't surprise you :p |
| 18:11.07 | twobitsprite | hramrach: +1 |
| 18:11.19 | systemclient | okay, I get the point |
| 18:11.31 | twobitsprite | :) |
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| 18:12.03 | ichbinder | hramrach: console only, sorry. If I try to mark and paste from gedit to kedit, it works, e.g. |
| 18:12.17 | ichbinder | hramrach: marking in console does not copy... |
| 18:12.33 | ichbinder | brb |
| 18:12.38 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: That's mostly handled by xorg. |
| 18:13.04 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: Do you mean xterm consoles or regular consoles/ |
| 18:13.06 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
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| 18:14.20 | gnarface | hramrach: yea but what if its not a text file? what if its the system log? |
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| 18:14.36 | gnarface | hramrach: i mean not a text *editor* |
| 18:15.12 | sombunall | how ironic I come here with the same dilemma. After running testing on my main comp for months today I think I will dump everything and go to stable |
| 18:15.36 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Shouldn't be particularly slow, no. |
| 18:15.49 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: What are you actually seeing? |
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| 18:18.22 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: just trying to track down a weird performance issue. the whole thing starts lagging out and not responding and i'm trying to figure out why. the the cpus are heavily used but not pegged. the ram is full but not maxxed, swap is unused completely and the drive is 99% empty and iotop isn't helpful since i can't recreate the probem at will, only under load |
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| 18:18.58 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: but its an old 2.6.18 kernel so i'm trying to talk them into just updating the system |
| 18:19.19 | gnarface | seems like something ELSE must be wrong though |
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| 18:19.44 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Try iostat from sysstat |
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| 18:19.54 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: That should show you disk io |
| 18:20.11 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Could be a failing drive. |
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| 18:21.31 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: I think I have an answer for you if you could just answer a question or two. |
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| 18:21.37 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: what should i look for in the output? |
| 18:22.03 | systemclient | why aren't there any firefox/thunderbird packages? |
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| 18:22.11 | jhutchins_lt | !why iceweasel |
| 18:22.11 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 18:22.28 | Jayro | Hello, is there a way I can add more menus t gnome-panel. Right now there is Applications, PLaces, Systm, (debian default).. Is there a way to add more? All i can find in the menu tool is to add things to those menus and not make new ones,. |
| 18:22.38 | systemclient | jhutchins_lt: oh, this is interesting ... |
| 18:22.44 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Just watch the disk io as the problem occurs, see what you find. Watch and listen to the drive too. |
| 18:23.10 | twobitsprite | systemclient: basically, iceweasel is firefox, but compiled with a different name |
| 18:23.21 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: ok thanks for the advice i'll try it minus the listening part (its in a data center somewhere i can't get to) |
| 18:23.39 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: That does make it harder... |
| 18:23.45 | Jayro | anyone?> |
| 18:23.53 | systemclient | twobitsprite: I understand this, it is just not making to much sense (in a common sense way). but I guess I can get along with that |
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| 18:23.58 | hramrach | ichbinder: then look at gpm |
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| 18:24.26 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: I think that's probably what he wants but he's stopped responding. |
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| 18:26.31 | hramrach | jhutchins_lt: he said he's going away |
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| 18:26.38 | twobitsprite | systemclient: basically because debian modifies the code from the upstream sources (to backport security fixes for older versions which aren't still officially supported by Mozilla) |
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| 18:27.00 | twobitsprite | systemclient: the license terms for firefox prevent you from distributing modified sources with the original trademarked logos |
| 18:27.34 | systemclient | twobitsprite: I read the article, I understand. So there my .mozilla and .thunderbird folder are go to work just as before? and enigmail too? (I come from Ubuntu) |
| 18:27.36 | twobitsprite | logos and/or trademarked brand names (i.e, "firefox") |
| 18:27.42 | hramrach | gnarface: is that an IDE/SATA drive? or SCSI? |
| 18:27.59 | twobitsprite | systemclient: yes, everything else should be exactly the same, plus some backported security fixes |
| 18:28.16 | hramrach | gnarface: on some drives you can get alarming smartctl readings when they are failing |
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| 18:28.30 | systemclient | twobitsprite: beside the name (which is only smoke and sound anyway), everything is the same (or better). kay |
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| 18:28.47 | twobitsprite | systemclient: yep :) |
| 18:29.22 | systemclient | I selected german as my language at first (netinstall). Then I installed kde-standard, but everthing is in english. How can I change it to german? |
| 18:29.35 | systemclient | aptitude is in german, for instance |
| 18:29.37 | systemclient | just KDE is not |
| 18:30.04 | twobitsprite | don't know... you might have better luck in one of the non-english channels, I'm sure they deal with that all the time |
| 18:30.07 | twobitsprite | i.e.: |
| 18:30.08 | chenthu | ichbinder: hey was afk..... no idea.... |
| 18:30.09 | twobitsprite | !de |
| 18:30.10 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 18:30.15 | hramrach | systemclient: maybe install kde-i18n-de or somesuch? |
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| 18:30.57 | systemclient | hramrach: sounds good |
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| 18:31.18 | hramrach | twobitsprite: comeon, getting something in the correct language is general issue |
| 18:31.21 | gnarface | hramrach: they're on a raid array (adaptec card) and i'm not sure if they're ide or sata. smartctl is a good idea though. does it work with raid arrays or do i have to run it on the device direcctly? |
| 18:31.53 | hramrach | it does not work on raid arrays |
| 18:32.03 | gnarface | shoot |
| 18:32.14 | twobitsprite | hramrach: *shrug* I've never had to do it, and I figured people in the language-specific channels would know... if you know, then tell him how, and more power to you *shrug* |
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| 18:33.08 | hramrach | gnarface: some arrays can have diagnostic utilities of their own |
| 18:33.36 | hramrach | or blinkenlights on them that turn different color when something goes wrong |
| 18:33.43 | josefig | hello, how may I disable the drm for my X's ? |
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| 18:34.02 | gnarface | hramrach: yea i'm looking into the one it came with but its kinda a pain in the ass (some java nagware distributed by adaptec) and i was hoping maybe native debian tools wouldn't give me the same trouble |
| 18:34.03 | wols | josefig: why? |
| 18:34.18 | shirish | hi all, can somebody tell me which is the longest running debian bug ? |
| 18:34.27 | shirish | and also any notable debian bugs which has/had most of the discussions ? |
| 18:34.33 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: sorry, i was afk... :-/ |
| 18:34.35 | ichbinder | hramrach: thanks. |
| 18:34.35 | josefig | wols, because It eats all my battery (on my laptop without the AC Adapter) |
| 18:34.38 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: aeh... |
| 18:34.45 | hramrach | gnarface: the tools would be very model specific |
| 18:34.56 | hramrach | there might be some but I have no idea |
| 18:35.04 | ichbinder | i tested konsole, gterm and i think it was also for xterm |
| 18:35.06 | wols | josefig: makes no sense. let me guess: you have an hybrid graphics enabled laptop? |
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| 18:35.38 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: i tested konsole, gterm and i think it was also for xterm |
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| 18:35.46 | gnarface | hramrach: alright well thanks for the ideas |
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| 18:36.03 | jhutchins_lt | That's a bit odd, they should all be managed by xorg. |
| 18:36.10 | josefig | wols, I have a Dell N5010 with ati radeon, I used to set the profile on the drm, I set as low and it was good, but now I don't know how to do it here in debian. |
| 18:36.17 | hramrach | ichbinder: and it works in konsole or not? |
| 18:36.21 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: However, xorg may not know you have a three button mouse, and/or may be misinterpreting the buttons. |
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| 18:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | Erh, sorry. |
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| 18:36.35 | ichbinder | hramrach: jhutchins_lt: just re-tested. Does not work in konsole and gterm |
| 18:36.42 | ichbinder | hramrach: jhutchins_lt: works in xterm |
| 18:36.42 | hramrach | konsole or gedit should be the same |
| 18:36.44 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: However, xorg may not know you have a three button mouse, and/or may be misinterpreting the buttons. |
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| 18:37.00 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: Very strange. |
| 18:37.10 | wols | josefig: which OS did you set that and how did you do it there? "profile low on drm" makes no sense. DRM = direct rendering manager. they way to make a videocard behave is to either disable it or make the driver use powermanagement |
| 18:37.12 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: What release are you on? Which kernel? |
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| 18:38.01 | wols | josefig: in your case, you probably want to disable the radeon (vgaswitcheroo) and run the thing on the intel vga chip |
| 18:38.05 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: well, if it's and xorg problem, then why does it work with gnome-terminal and konsole... and the pasting using mid-mouse works, but the marking doesn't work, I guess |
| 18:38.12 | hramrach | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: What release are you on? Which kernel? |
| 18:39.01 | systemclient | to come back to testing, how extreme can it be? |
| 18:39.19 | hramrach | it would be some odd toolkit problem or paste manager or keymap |
| 18:39.21 | systemclient | I really got to like KDE 4.6 and do not want to use 4.4 any more :-/ |
| 18:39.26 | josefig | wols, was on ubuntu and I tried a simple: sudo echo profile > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_method and then sudo echo auto > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile (auto, low, high, mid).. |
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| 18:39.44 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: release is debian 5.0.8 (lenny afaik) and kernel is 2.6.34 |
| 18:39.53 | josefig | I even wrote an article about it on ubuntu but I don't know if this is possible on debian squeeze. |
| 18:39.55 | hramrach | because the marking happens with keyboard in some cases |
| 18:39.57 | wols | josefig: mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch |
| 18:40.00 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: hramrach: okay, sorry... it ONLY does not work for konsole... :-/ |
| 18:40.13 | josefig | ok |
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| 18:40.57 | hramrach | ichbinder: and what exactly works and fails? mid-paste? left-mark? right-extend-mark? C-c C-v ? |
| 18:41.30 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: Any particular reason for the odd kernel? |
| 18:41.35 | wols | josefig: mount -t sysfs none /sys for the sysfs if you want it |
| 18:41.41 | ichbinder | hramrach: left-mark-ing in konsole does not copy. Instead, when I press mid-mouse in some other window, I get an empty string |
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| 18:41.53 | scaraozki | I have a screen here that doesn't allow more then 2 pages, how can I tell him to use more ram and permit 4 pages / |
| 18:42.01 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I'm in a huge university environment |
| 18:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | pre-empt, sorry... |
| 18:42.11 | wols | scaraozki: what screen? |
| 18:42.12 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: not newest stuff.. :( |
| 18:42.20 | hramrach | ichbinder: then just use another terminal I guess |
| 18:42.27 | ichbinder | hramrach: :) |
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| 18:42.37 | hramrach | ichbinder: does it work in kate? |
| 18:42.53 | ichbinder | hramrach: mark or paste? |
| 18:42.54 | scaraozki | wols: Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06 |
| 18:43.02 | hramrach | ichbinder: everything |
| 18:43.52 | ichbinder | hramrach: marking/copying in Kate does not working, pasting something there works! so it must be a KDE problem |
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| 18:44.05 | hramrach | scaraozki: see screen(1) man page. It should list the options. |
| 18:44.41 | hramrach | scaraozki: the backbuffer or scrollbuffer is configurable in most terminal emulations |
| 18:45.05 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: All I can suggest is that you get some sort of orthodox system and see if it works there, then look at where your system diverges and see what might cause it. |
| 18:45.42 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: The fact that you're not running a stock debian system gives us too many variables and reduces us to guesswork. |
| 18:45.44 | hramrach | ichbinder: there you go. Scream that kde is broken and they should fix it :p |
| 18:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: Except he's using an old kde. |
| 18:46.01 | wols | scaraozki: you mean the history scrollback buffer? man screen, option -h |
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| 18:46.14 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: Which version of KDE do you have (help/about in any kde app). |
| 18:46.24 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: yeah, hramrach pointed out that it is a KDE problem.... well, it is an oooold KDE. But it worked back then, in an even older version |
| 18:46.30 | hramrach | jhutchins_lt: yes, Lenny is no longer supported sothe obvious thing to try would be upgrade to stable |
| 18:46.58 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: Lenny is still supported, until February or whenever squeeze released. |
| 18:47.07 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: hramrach: it broke as somebody else configure something while i was out of the country |
| 18:47.17 | hramrach | hehe |
| 18:47.23 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: Break fingers, restore backup? |
| 18:47.32 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: hramrach: yeah, I would like to update... but it's not my system and I'm no where near the priviliges of root. :D |
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| 18:47.52 | hramrach | ichbinder: or start looking through dpkg.log |
| 18:47.54 | systemclient | If stable seems too old for me, and testing too risky, Ubuntu would be a choice? |
| 18:47.59 | hramrach | if you can see that |
| 18:48.04 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: the admins say they don't do the hassle of restoring a backup just because my middle mouse is not working :( |
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| 18:48.16 | jhutchins_lt | systemclient: No, knowing more about why stable seems old would be the choice. |
| 18:48.31 | scaraozki | wols: hramrach : it allowss only 2 pages, when I hit again CTRL+A, C ist telling me no more |
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| 18:48.38 | ichbinder | hramrach: jhutchins_lt: honestly, I think it's some config problem... clicky stuff. So screaming in #kde might really help |
| 18:49.00 | systemclient | jhutchins_lt: Firefox 3.5, KDE 4.4. I just need stable, not rock-solid :-/ |
| 18:49.12 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: Probably not, they are all about the latest version as downloaded from their servers. No sympathy for outdated packages. |
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| 18:49.23 | wols | scaraozki: ctrl+a c is "clear" |
| 18:49.25 | jhutchins_lt | ichbinder: #debian-kde might be able to help. |
| 18:49.52 | jelly | systemclient: what's wrong with kde 4.4? |
| 18:49.56 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: ah, okay... that's sad. I mean, not everybody can use cutting-edge stuff... :( |
| 18:49.59 | hramrach | scaraozki: it looks like you are pressing something that should switch to next screen and there is no more |
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| 18:50.12 | ichbinder | jhutchins_lt: i'll ask in #debian-kde, maybe. Thanks for pointin that out! |
| 18:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | systemclient: Works great for me, although I did spring for iceweasel 5.0 just to see what it's like. |
| 18:50.19 | jelly | dpkg, tell systemclient about iceweasel 5 |
| 18:50.26 | hramrach | scaraozki: check your configuration. There should be a command thath prints key assignment |
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| 18:50.35 | systemclient | jelly: GTK apps looks less good than in 4.6, there is just snap left-top-right and not in all four quadrants, no tab panorama in iceweasel |
| 18:50.50 | systemclient | 5.0 is not even in testing? wow ... |
| 18:50.57 | josefig | wols, worked I had to create the file, and reconfigured the X's |
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| 18:51.31 | betasoft | what's the command line to uninstall the xpdf package? |
| 18:51.35 | hramrach | systemclient: iceweasel 3.6/3.5 is the best. 4/5 has new stuff but most extensions don't work :p |
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| 18:51.51 | boudiccas | betasoft; sudo apt-get remove xpdf |
| 18:52.14 | jhutchins_lt | systemclient: They've been moving a lot faster than the debian software process. Just because they're jacking up numbers artificially is no reason for Debian users to panic. |
| 18:52.31 | jhutchins_lt | !mozilla.debian.net |
| 18:52.31 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser are not available from <debian backports>, as they have not yet made it to wheezy. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for Iceweasel 5.0 for squeeze, wheezy or sid. |
| 18:52.33 | systemclient | jhutchins_lt: I know, but 3.6 would be nice, I got 3.5 now |
| 18:52.40 | systemclient | hramrach: I see your point |
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| 18:53.28 | hramrach | systemclient: as for kde 4.4 vs 4.6 there should not be *that* much of a difference |
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| 18:54.02 | jelly | hramrach: 4.7 is out now!!!1one |
| 18:54.13 | hramrach | but I don't run kde so I would not know |
| 18:54.17 | boudiccas | betasoft; if it has dependencies that can be removed then sudo apt-get autoremove should clear them, but be careful and report back so i know how it worked please |
| 18:54.21 | betasoft | what's the command line to uninstall the xpdf package? |
| 18:54.34 | boudiccas | betasoft; i've just told you! |
| 18:54.36 | hramrach | dpkg -P xpdf |
| 18:54.36 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, hramrach |
| 18:54.41 | valdyn_ | betasoft: almost the same as for any other package |
| 18:54.46 | valdyn_ | hramrach: not really |
| 18:54.47 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: 4.7 is supposed to offer some important improvements. |
| 18:54.51 | systemclient | hramrach: it is not that bad, I know |
| 18:54.53 | betasoft | sorry i am a little bit lagging |
| 18:55.36 | hramrach | I run stable with experimental xorg and kernel and kvm and some packages not in Debian :p |
| 18:55.42 | tsccof | betasoft: apt-get purge xpdf |
| 18:55.50 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:56.17 | hramrach | xorg is always too old ^_^ |
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| 18:57.52 | jelly | hramrach: or translated, xorg is never stable |
| 18:58.26 | qwd | Iceweasel 5 from mozilla.debian.net on Debian Squeeze AMD64. I've noticed every time I paste something into the browser it gets pasted twice. Unless I paste by doing shift-insert. Any ideas? |
| 18:58.42 | hramrach | it is wehn your graphics hardware is obsolete :p |
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| 18:59.52 | qwd | Bah! I disabled Vimperator and problem gone. Mystery solved :) |
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| 19:05.56 | arosen1 | Hello, i'm running debian 5 and want to upgrade to 6. are these instructions right? http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/upgrade-to-debian-6-squeeze |
| 19:06.46 | wols | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:06.57 | wols | dpkg: lazy git! |
| 19:06.57 | dpkg | wols: are you using Windows? |
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| 19:07.13 | arosen1 | !lenny->squeeze |
| 19:07.22 | arosen1 | wols: is that supposed to give me some info? |
| 19:07.49 | wols | !tell arosen1 about lenny->squeeze |
| 19:08.01 | wols | now it should have, arosen1 |
| 19:08.16 | arosen1 | thanks! |
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| 19:10.04 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:10.28 | boudiccas | TrueDD; hi one |
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| 19:11.10 | drdo | How can i view a list of the files a package installed? |
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| 19:12.17 | sombunall | ok here's the problem. I installed apt-listbugs to warn me. It tells me I have 3 bugged packages which would disable cups, gcc and one other (aptitude upgrade is going to be 500 megs). So I pin "them". Now when I run aptitude upgrade again it wants to remove all kinds of packages like wine! I don't know what to do |
| 19:12.31 | levi501d | I just installed kde-full and now my audio is malfunctioning (i had the basic set of kde packages) apparently something with phonon got installed, kmix used to say intel audio, now its internal analog audio stereo, and my browsers no longer play any sound. anyone else have this problem? know of a solution, google searches havent provided much, though i am unsure of what to search for |
| 19:12.35 | TrueDD | hi boudiccas |
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| 19:13.20 | wols | drdo: dpkg -L <package> |
| 19:13.47 | drdo | wols: thanks |
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| 19:14.24 | sombunall | sorry I "pin" them not pin "them" lol |
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| 19:15.43 | levi501d | i am assuming it has something to do with pulseaudio |
| 19:16.14 | levi501d | but i am unsure where to start, as last time i had problems with audio i got so lost in all the differing packages i eneded up with a completely unworking audio setup |
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| 19:21.03 | sombunall | why does aptitude want to start removing package just over pinning? I thought pinning meant to keep the same version and not upgrade. |
| 19:21.31 | sombunall | is my aptitude sick? |
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| 19:24.23 | timo | sombunall: you're thinking of holding a package |
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| 19:25.05 | sombunall | timo, apt-listbugs called it pinning |
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| 19:25.57 | timo | sombunall: in what context? my understanding is that pinning enables you to install packages from different versions of Debian without upgrading your whole system |
| 19:26.00 | simonlnu | qwd: i don't see that at all. must be your setup. |
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| 19:27.46 | sombunall | timo, so I never should have pinned cups and gcc using apt-listbugs ? why would they have the option? |
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| 19:30.46 | themill | dpkg: tell sombunall about bat |
| 19:30.58 | themill | sombunall: it would be handy if we knew specifically what you were talking about. |
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| 19:31.54 | TheAvatar | if I do 'mv /mnt/filesystem1/dir /mnt/filesystem2', will hardlinks be preserved? It is 2 different filesystems/disks |
| 19:33.07 | hahnp | TheAvatar: what are the filesystemtypes? |
| 19:33.34 | qwd | simonlnu: you're using Vimperator? https://code.google.com/p/vimperator-labs/issues/detail?id=618 |
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| 19:33.46 | TheAvatar | hahnp, from ext3 to nfs, which is formatted as ext4 |
| 19:34.01 | simonlnu | no |
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| 19:37.49 | deekay | Hello, anyone knows where I can find .config that was used to build 2.6.39-2-686-pae kernel? |
| 19:38.39 | sombunall | http://paste.debian.net/124892/ that has what happens now after the apt-listbugs as I lost the scrollback buffer |
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| 19:39.33 | wols | deekay: /boot/config* |
| 19:40.27 | negrete | a couple of hours ago I asked a question and sadly no one answered. I'm wondering if there's a package/script/app for automating the creation of virtual hosts (not only the <VirtualHost> directive in Apache but also the user creation, Jail set-up, etc), something like the web hosting companies do. Right now I'm doing some of the tasks via shell script so my question is: Do you know any package/script/app doing this functionality? Otherwise, |
| 19:40.58 | jelly | TheAvatar: try it? mkdir foo && touch foo/foo && ln foo/foo foo/bar && mv foo /dest/filesystem && ls -l /dest/filesystem/foo |
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| 19:42.53 | deekay | wols: thank you! |
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| 19:44.25 | wols | negrete: maybe look for a puppet module someone has written. I dunno of anything like that in debian tho |
| 19:44.41 | gnarface | on a high-traffic production system is it normal to need to move logrotate from cron.daily to cron.hourly or should i be doing this a different way? |
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| 19:46.29 | negrete | wols: thank you very much, I'll check that |
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| 19:48.50 | twobitsprite | gnarface: logrotate allows for hourly/daily/weekly/etc notation in the actual log file specs, so running logrotate itself hourly should be fine |
| 19:48.53 | TheAvatar | jelly, I decided to go with rsync --hard-links - hope that works :) |
| 19:49.05 | jelly | TheAvatar: Why hope? Test. |
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| 19:51.26 | TheAvatar | jelly, it does seem to look okay there, so guess it should be okay for the rest too |
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| 19:54.36 | sombunall | today is a bad day to aptitude upgrade wheezy isn't it? |
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| 19:59.25 | liquid-silence | hi all |
| 19:59.33 | liquid-silence | just installed samba did some configs |
| 20:00.10 | hramrach | did it eat you? |
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| 20:00.54 | Rafeiro | hi, can someone help me to update to kernel 3? |
| 20:00.57 | sombunall | themill, did you get any ideas? |
| 20:01.09 | abrotman | Rafeiro: does everything work on the 2.6 you have currently ? |
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| 20:02.24 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 20:02.26 | sombunall | themill, can't I just rm /etc/apt/preferences and wait for a later date when it's safer to upgrade and it won't break cups, etc |
| 20:02.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 20:02.41 | Bushmills | Rafeiro: unlikely |
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| 20:02.57 | Rafeiro | so far everything seems to work as it should |
| 20:03.02 | Rafeiro | just wanted to keep it updated |
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| 20:04.13 | abrotman | Rafeiro: it is updated .. you get security patches and everything |
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| 20:04.44 | Rafeiro | so i'm ok with this 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 20:04.44 | Rafeiro | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.12 | abrotman | Rafeiro: unless you know there is unsupported hardware, or a security issue that affects you, is there a reason to upgrade? |
| 20:05.23 | abrotman | do you need a newer feature? |
| 20:05.50 | Rafeiro | not atm |
| 20:06.07 | Rafeiro | but i don't want to bother with it in case i stick in something that isn't supported by this version |
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| 20:06.27 | liquid-silence | anyone here with samba experience |
| 20:06.50 | Rafeiro | my gf had dance classes years ago, should i call her? |
| 20:06.51 | Rafeiro | :P |
| 20:06.56 | Rafeiro | i'm sorry, couldn't resist :x |
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| 20:07.13 | abrotman | Rafeiro: a) there is a newer kernel at backports.debian.org if you really need it b) it works fine, has no security holes, why screw with it ? |
| 20:07.14 | liquid-silence | it connects to the server and just connection failed |
| 20:07.41 | Rafeiro | id never guess that updated = screw it :| |
| 20:07.48 | abrotman | liquid-silence: samba logs are sometimes useful |
| 20:07.54 | liquid-silence | I checked |
| 20:07.56 | liquid-silence | nothing |
| 20:07.58 | Rafeiro | brb |
| 20:08.22 | abrotman | Rafeiro: i'm saying that it is generally better to stick with the distro kernel unless you have a good reason |
| 20:08.31 | scaraozki | can you tell me pls what is make meaning with make: *** No targets. Stop. |
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| 20:09.55 | liquid-silence | not seeing any logs |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | scaraozki: look in the Makefile |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | liquid-silence: which version of samba-common ? |
| 20:10.47 | abrotman | liquid-silence: no need to msg me .. i'm answering when i see them |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | yay slow 3g |
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| 20:11.33 | abrotman | liquid-silence: dpkg -l samba-common |
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| 20:12.00 | liquid-silence | got it |
| 20:12.04 | Onepamopa | hi guys, does anyone know how to manually install sun-java7-jdk ? |
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| 20:12.11 | Onepamopa | I removed all prevous versions of java already |
| 20:13.10 | Onepamopa | anyone? |
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| 20:15.04 | systemclient | Onepamopa: apt-get purge sun-java7-jdk? |
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| 20:15.45 | Onepamopa | E: Couldn't find package sun-java7-jdk |
| 20:15.57 | Onepamopa | Im trying to install java7 manually since there's no .deb package |
| 20:16.12 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java7-jdk |
| 20:16.12 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sun-java7-jdk' was found in i386. |
| 20:16.19 | Onepamopa | x64 here... |
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| 20:16.36 | Onepamopa | downloaded x64 tarballs from oracle's page, extracted @ /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-sun-1.7.0-b147/ |
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| 20:16.49 | Onepamopa | how to proceed from here ? |
| 20:17.40 | sombunall | ok maybe I need to ask a more appropriate question then: what is the right thing to do when you do aptitude upgrade and apt-listbugs says "#635842 - lpd backend crashes, cups unusable serious bugs of gcc-4.6 (4.6.1-1 -> 4.6.1-4) <unfixed>" and "Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] " If I say YES I won't be able to print anymore. So I should hold back upgrading the whole system for this o |
| 20:17.40 | sombunall | ne bug? As we have seen pinning doesn't work. |
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| 20:18.49 | abrotman | Onepamopa: it should have installation instructions |
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| 20:19.17 | Onepamopa | abrotman nope, it doesnt |
| 20:19.52 | Onepamopa | actually it does, but nothing for debian |
| 20:20.06 | Onepamopa | cause as we know, in our case it's simply apt-get install |
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| 20:20.42 | Onepamopa | there's 1 lame way, but I'd hate to do it that way ... |
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| 20:21.45 | raz | meh, i can't believe font-rendering is still so busted |
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| 20:22.11 | raz | isn't there a single tabbed terminal that can render a white-on-black font in a half-readable fashion |
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| 20:24.31 | abrotman | raz: xterm ? |
| 20:24.45 | abrotman | Onepamopa: are you trying to make a .deb or just get it in stalled ? |
| 20:24.46 | abrotman | installed |
| 20:25.04 | Onepamopa | abrotman Im just trying to get it installed |
| 20:25.09 | raz | abrotman: yea back when linux was my main desktop i would run triskweline in rxvt. i didn't need tabs because my wm was ion3. |
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| 20:25.47 | raz | however, now i just want to make this netbook usable. i.e. i don't want to futz a week with a tiling wm (hence need a tabbed terminal). and triskweline is too tiny on that little screen. |
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| 20:26.33 | raz | after having worked on osx for a while it's quite disturbing to come back to what linux pretends to be "font rendering". |
| 20:26.49 | Bushmills | why not using a tabbed wm? fluxbox, for example |
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| 20:27.03 | Onepamopa | abrotman any thoughts? |
| 20:27.39 | raz | Bushmills: well, i'm in the wrong chan tbh. the distro is ubuntu and i noticed that half of the power mgmt stuff stops working when i use anything but their raped gnome. |
| 20:28.08 | raz | i just noticed i'm already joined here and decided to rant some :P |
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| 20:28.21 | Bushmills | does that render my fluxbox suggestion invalid? |
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| 20:28.48 | Bushmills | or does that mean that you can only use suggestons which are ubuntu compatible? |
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| 20:29.17 | abrotman | Onepamopa: use stow |
| 20:29.31 | abrotman | raz: i think xterm is fine .. but that's just me |
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| 20:32.11 | raz | Bushmills: i can use fluxbox, that would mitigate the tabbed terminal issue. but then in fluxbox my screen brightness keys and volume control don't work. the machine will not sleep when i close the lid. network mgr (wireless) will act up. and apparently the power-saving feats don't work either then. |
| 20:32.41 | raz | makes sense? no. but someone in ubuntu figured all that stuff should be tied to their gnome mess. |
| 20:32.42 | abrotman | anyway .. not a #debian question anymore |
| 20:33.03 | raz | abrotman: never was. but ranting is more fun here than in ubuntu. |
| 20:33.08 | abrotman | uhhuh |
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| 20:38.35 | systemclient | which nvidia driver do I have to install to play UrbanTerror (3D OpenGL) and use KWin fully? |
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| 20:45.48 | daemonkeeper | systemclient: nouveau (experimental) or the non-free GLX drivers. |
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| 20:46.51 | jquerier | hello i have a debian 6 connected with putty which GUI should i install to it with vnc or so |
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| 20:47.04 | abrotman | jquerier: whichever you prefer |
| 20:47.10 | jquerier | gnome? |
| 20:47.21 | abrotman | so install gnome |
| 20:47.40 | systemclient | jquerier: you can do KDE, LXDE or Xfce as alternatives |
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| 20:47.51 | systemclient | LXDE is the leightest, having less features than gnome |
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| 20:48.56 | daemonkeeper | FSVO of "lightest" |
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| 20:51.57 | jhutchins_lt | jquerier: If the access you have is ssh, why not just use the console? |
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| 20:52.38 | jquerier | i want to install Virtual box in it will it work in both? |
| 20:52.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:53.06 | jquerier | ok thanks |
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| 20:53.43 | jquerier | i have only ssh access what can use to connect to it |
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| 20:53.51 | jquerier | did i ahve to install vnc |
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| 20:55.05 | jquerier | anyone know netapp? |
| 20:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | jquerier: vnc is a way to see a remote desktop. You don't need it to run GUI apps remotely, but it some cases it's easier that way. What do you need the GUI for? |
| 20:55.26 | jquerier | i need the gui install virtual box and use it |
| 20:55.41 | jhutchins_lt | jquerier: What are you going to run on virtualbox? |
| 20:55.50 | jquerier | some os |
| 20:55.52 | jquerier | OS |
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| 20:56.07 | jquerier | some VM's |
| 20:56.35 | jquerier | why |
| 20:56.41 | jquerier | is here a problem? |
| 20:57.23 | jqjhutchins_lt | jquerier: I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to do so I can tell you what you need. |
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| 20:57.35 | jquerier | ok what you think? |
| 20:58.01 | jquerier | is the best to do currently it is a debian squeeze with 16GB Memory |
| 20:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | I think if you're just managing a remote server the preferred method is to stick to the console. A GUI just gets in the way, eats bandwidth, and makes it harder to manage. |
| 20:58.10 | jquerier | and its wasted if i dodnt use it :) |
| 20:58.32 | tharkun | Gentlemen is 20 clients too much for a VNC server? |
| 20:58.43 | jquerier | but i want to use it its very high performance |
| 20:58.54 | jquerier | Anyone know netapp? |
| 20:59.17 | abrotman | netapp has a support number? |
| 20:59.29 | jquerier | maybe yes |
| 20:59.47 | tharkun | jquerier: What do you want to do with your server? smtp, rendering http ... |
| 20:59.53 | jquerier | wow there is no channel for it |
| 20:59.58 | jquerier | its the future |
| 21:00.05 | abrotman | jquerier: i mean, netapp.com ? |
| 21:00.11 | jquerier | yes |
| 21:00.30 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.38 | jquerier | webserver and more |
| 21:01.08 | jquerier | it changes everything wols also debian |
| 21:01.11 | wols | jquerier: netapp makes (proprietary? probably linux based?) storage systems. again: how is this debian related? |
| 21:01.14 | tharkun | jquerier: no need for a GUI to admin that. It can be easily done with terminals |
| 21:01.30 | jquerier | it uses RAID-DP |
| 21:01.31 | wols | jquerier: I don't ask what it changes. I ask how it is debian related |
| 21:01.46 | hahnp | guys, why does everyone prefer softlinks instead of hardlinks.... except when linking some directories |
| 21:01.56 | jquerier | ok |
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| 21:02.03 | tharkun | wols: any upper limit to VNC that you know of? nfc is also an answer |
| 21:02.13 | wols | tharkun: upper limit? |
| 21:02.33 | wols | limit of what? |
| 21:02.34 | abrotman | hahnp: they have different limitations |
| 21:02.43 | abrotman | wolsactive connections |
| 21:02.55 | hahnp | abrotman: limitations? |
| 21:03.00 | tharkun | wols: limit of clients connected to the server |
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| 21:03.03 | jquerier | netapp is a Hardware called Intelligent Memory. or Flash Cache... you need one Debian Installation... it needs maybe 1gb space... |
| 21:03.05 | jquerier | ok? |
| 21:03.07 | abrotman | hahnp: man ln |
| 21:03.09 | hahnp | :D |
| 21:03.18 | abrotman | jquerier: netapp has nothing to do with Debian |
| 21:03.38 | jquerier | and then you can split this partition in 20other VM's |
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| 21:04.08 | jquerier | and all use the same isntallation files it is stored in the hardware called flash cache |
| 21:04.17 | tharkun | abrotman: Do you have a number for it. Need to switch around 20 clients from nx to something else. vnc over ssh seems to be a nice solution. Still i haven't got the resources to test it |
| 21:04.32 | jquerier | but u can also with debian |
| 21:04.37 | wols | tharkun: never tried so I guess nfc, but every vnc connection needs a bit of bandwith and cpu time to compress the hextimes I guess. theoretically no limit if you have unlimited ressources :) tho: would all connect to the same vnc insance, the sams session? |
| 21:05.08 | abrotman | tharkun: nope |
| 21:05.22 | tharkun | wols: different users should connect to different sessions so they do not interfere with one another |
| 21:05.44 | wols | tharkun: I doubt you want vnc |
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| 21:06.05 | wols | wasn't VMWare server free and had a RDP connection to each session? |
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| 21:06.29 | wols | tharkun: users hate the latencies, jitters and lags vnc introduces |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | not RDP, but similar |
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| 21:06.34 | tharkun | wols: RDP with what protocol? it ends up beeing the same |
| 21:06.39 | twobitsprite | how do you all feel about swap partitions on SAN filesystems? worth it, or would the latency defeat the point? |
| 21:06.53 | wols | RDP is a very specific protocol: the one MSFT uses |
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| 21:08.01 | jelly-home | msft, oracle (virtualbox) and some others |
| 21:08.07 | tharkun | wols: ok miss phrased the question. What protocol should i begin searching for. The network is up and runnning still with nx but it will not hold for long as it seems the new OS from mac is breaking havoc among users. |
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| 21:08.58 | jquerier | netapp costs atm 10k-100k |
| 21:09.13 | jquerier | but if its cheaper everyone will buy it |
| 21:09.31 | jquerier | atm only big companys use it |
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| 21:09.52 | jquerier | they have in one netapp server 5000 VM's |
| 21:10.02 | jquerier | the clients has only a screen |
| 21:10.09 | jquerier | they all use the same data |
| 21:10.20 | jquerier | not like normal vm's |
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| 21:10.35 | jquerier | all has own it is RAID-DP |
| 21:10.52 | abrotman | jquerier: do you ahve a Debian question? |
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| 21:11.25 | jquerier | is there another way to connect to the gui except vnc |
| 21:11.28 | tharkun | jquerier: so. Can you tell me how on earth is that related to a normal server OS which runs blindly on it? Point me in a direction that will tell me that information and maybe i will read it for the sake of learning |
| 21:11.53 | jquerier | tharkun it is not like normal PC's |
| 21:12.07 | wols | jquerier: remote X |
| 21:12.07 | tharkun | jquerier: take a trip to www.nomachine.com |
| 21:12.12 | jquerier | it has another hardware called Flash Memory it looks like a ram |
| 21:12.31 | jquerier | it has 200GB |
| 21:12.34 | jquerier | maybe |
| 21:12.44 | jquerier | and there will informations stored about the VM's |
| 21:12.53 | jquerier | they all use the same datastore |
| 21:12.57 | tharkun | jquerier: enough. You've got your info so stop describing something useless to the community |
| 21:13.10 | jquerier | ok thought its interesting |
| 21:13.19 | wols | tharkun: I guess he gets paid by this vendor per line |
| 21:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | jquerier: This is just the wrong place. |
| 21:13.33 | jquerier | yea i also thought you would think that^^ |
| 21:13.43 | jquerier | but you will see |
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| 21:14.00 | twobitsprite | jquerier: is netapp paying you to pimp their product here or something? |
| 21:14.27 | xingu | I wish they'd pay someone to fix their bugs with microsecond atime updates. |
| 21:14.36 | twobitsprite | xingu: noatime |
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| 21:15.18 | xingu | client: "feature x has bugs" vendor: "don't do that" client: "but ${fooreason}" vendor: "it'll be fixed in the next version" |
| 21:15.23 | Onepamopa | blah, still no luck with java7 |
| 21:16.15 | twobitsprite | xingu: atime updates create a *lot* of traffic, and you can only squeeze so much traffic on a pipe. Network storage will always be slower than local storage |
| 21:17.22 | xingu | hands twobitsprite the 4x 10gbps pipe he's squeezing things through these days at the host end |
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| 21:18.08 | xingu | twobitsprite: the fundamental problem is that the nfs heads are incoherent between each other; thanks for playing. |
| 21:18.16 | twobitsprite | xingu: yeah, then you put a full TCP/IP stack on top of that, plus network latency, etc... it just can't compete with local SCSI/SATA |
| 21:18.39 | twobitsprite | what do you mean "nfs heads are incoherent"? |
| 21:18.41 | xingu | twobitsprite: ie they offer commit guarantees that just aren't true. |
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| 21:19.11 | xingu | twobitsprite: multiple heads serving the same block store; you _do_ do this right? |
| 21:19.19 | twobitsprite | on the netapp the write is committed to nvram and replicated between the two heads, is that what you mean? |
| 21:19.32 | twobitsprite | <-- used to work for netapp as a t3 performance support engineer |
| 21:19.37 | xingu | hah. |
| 21:20.09 | twobitsprite | ... for 2.5 years |
| 21:20.49 | twobitsprite | NFS will *never* be as fast as local disk. period. noatime, thanks for playing |
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| 21:20.56 | kristian-aalborg | how much debian in a gig? |
| 21:21.02 | kristian-aalborg | X and media players? |
| 21:21.21 | wols | kristian-aalborg: very much doable |
| 21:21.52 | xingu | twobitsprite: not as fast isn't the issue; the lack of _atomicity_, the fact that the netapp nfs implementation lies about commit guarantee for metadata is. |
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| 21:22.18 | kristian-aalborg | wols, cool |
| 21:22.22 | xingu | twobitsprite: never mind, I guess netapp will wake up once their clients are all off it and running gluster... |
| 21:22.46 | kristian-aalborg | wols, I am building a media center... I might use a DOM for the OS |
| 21:23.23 | chenthu | any idea of when squeeze users can use gnome 3? |
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| 21:24.23 | ParkerR | chenthu, why would you torture Bebian like that? XD |
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| 21:24.30 | ParkerR | *Debian |
| 21:24.40 | daemonkeeper | chenthu: Never. There may (or not) be a backport some day. |
| 21:24.42 | mman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.53 | chenthu | ParkerR: 0.o ? |
| 21:25.18 | ParkerR | In my opinion Gnome 3 is what ruined Ubuntu |
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| 21:25.34 | chenthu | daemonkeeper: is it uncompatible? |
| 21:25.40 | wols | mman: you have an OS idendity crisis? 23:24 < mman> why when I start copying from a linux server over smb to ubuntu it starts really fast lets says 20-15mb/s and then it drops to max 5mb/s ?? |
| 21:25.48 | abrotman | chenthu: we covered this the other day |
| 21:25.53 | abrotman | when you were asking about kde4.7 |
| 21:25.55 | daemonkeeper | chenthu: It is by design. Stable does not work that way |
| 21:26.15 | mman | wols, what do you mean? |
| 21:26.36 | wols | I mean debian is not ubuntu |
| 21:26.52 | chenthu | abrotman: yeah but then i was too eager to slve my diplay problem... dint notice now that my display prob is done i wanted it agina... :) |
| 21:26.54 | ParkerR | The linux server could be Debian |
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| 21:27.04 | mman | wols, but similar... |
| 21:27.30 | wols | !tell mman about based on debian |
| 21:27.32 | Jayro | Hello, when I click on networkmanager in my gnome-panel, it says 'not managed'? how can i let network-manager manage my connection? |
| 21:27.33 | abrotman | mman: how is this Debian related? |
| 21:27.52 | ParkerR | mman, #ubuntu |
| 21:28.09 | mman | wols i know i posted in ubuntu but still, most probably the error can be solved in the same way |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | mman: go to #ubuntu, last warning |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | !they don't know |
| 21:28.32 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:29.17 | ParkerR | dpkg -i iloveyou.deb |
| 21:29.18 | dpkg | package iloveyou.deb is already installed |
| 21:29.22 | ParkerR | Haha |
| 21:29.27 | ParkerR | That's awesome |
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| 21:30.11 | ParkerR | Does dpkg just store the package name it recieves? |
| 21:30.16 | ParkerR | *names |
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| 21:30.22 | ParkerR | *receives |
| 21:30.55 | Jayro | anyone? |
| 21:31.17 | ParkerR | Jayro, one sec |
| 21:31.29 | chenthu | abrotman: is there any unofficial repository where i can try gnome 3 on squeeze? |
| 21:31.52 | wols | Jayro: IIRC network-manager manages anything not in /etc/network/interfaces (except lo) |
| 21:31.58 | ParkerR | Jayro, Set managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf. |
| 21:32.09 | twobitsprite | xingu: do you have a bug number? Once the filer ACKs the NFS request, the change is stored in NVRAM, and any further GETATTR requests will pull the data from said NVRAM |
| 21:32.25 | twobitsprite | ohh, he's gone |
| 21:32.26 | ParkerR | Jayro, the paste this in terminal /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 21:32.31 | ParkerR | *then |
| 21:32.37 | Jayro | thanks, |
| 21:32.43 | abrotman | chenthu: no |
| 21:33.11 | chenthu | abrotman: oh oj thanks foe the reply |
| 21:33.49 | chenthu | ok* for* |
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| 21:35.56 | pingveno | I'm putting together a backport of Ubuntu 10.10's python2.7 package to 10.04. I'm currently comparing python2.6's debian/ to python2.7's debian/. Should I change DEB_HOST_ARCH (10.10's 2.7) to DEB_BUILD_ARCH (10.04's 2.7)? |
| 21:36.09 | pingveno | correction on that last 2.7 |
| 21:36.16 | pingveno | That would be 10.04's 2.6 |
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| 21:37.16 | Black_Prince | !ubuntu |
| 21:37.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:37.57 | pingveno | Black_Prince: Okay. #ubuntu tends to be targetted towards users, hence asking here. |
| 21:38.08 | pingveno | thanks |
| 21:38.50 | ParkerR | dpkg -i debianiscool.deb |
| 21:38.51 | dpkg | removes a speen from parkerr and replaces it with debianiscool.deb |
| 21:38.57 | ParkerR | Haha |
| 21:39.36 | twobitsprite | dpkg: shut up |
| 21:39.37 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 21:39.37 | twobitsprite | :P |
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| 21:40.34 | ParkerR | Hehe |
| 21:40.43 | ParkerR | dpkg --help |
| 21:40.44 | dpkg | Dpkg: Package Manager for Debian. Synopis: dpkg [options] action |
| 21:40.47 | ParkerR | :D |
| 21:40.53 | tharkun | Gentlemen wanna play with the bot you can allways /msg it |
| 21:41.04 | ParkerR | Ahh thanks |
| 21:41.11 | tharkun | boy abuse is also a nice one |
| 21:41.13 | twobitsprite | tharkun: meh, not like anyone is talking about anything important in the channel anyways |
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| 21:41.43 | Devastator | upgrade from lenny to squeeze went flawless! after some struggling with my isa nic i guess i'm getting somewhere.. |
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| 21:42.14 | ParkerR | Devastator, woo. Congrats |
| 21:42.19 | tharkun | twobitsprite: you are also right |
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| 21:42.56 | Devastator | thanks ParkerR |
| 21:43.19 | Devastator | it's time for me to home |
| 21:43.29 | Devastator | night all |
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