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| 00:09.12 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 00:27.13 | jason404 | after making some aliases, ls colouring is not wokring any more |
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| 00:27.56 | jason404 | could somebody please show me what the default .bash_aliases file looks like? |
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| 00:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | jason404: You mean you didn't make a backup before you changed it? |
| 00:30.05 | colby_ | hello |
| 00:30.42 | DasEi | is there a similar app like lernid ('buntu) for debian ? |
| 00:31.20 | DasEi | jason404: bash.bashrc ? is where I put my aliases |
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| 00:31.45 | crogan | greetings. |
| 00:31.54 | jason404 | jhutchins_lt: I have modified it many times, but I miust have recently done something which broke ls colouring |
| 00:32.05 | jhutchins_lt | jason404: You mean you didn't make a backup before you changed it? |
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| 00:32.41 | jhutchins_lt | Step 1: System working. Step 2: Hey, let's change something. Step 3: ? |
| 00:32.55 | dvs | profit! |
| 00:32.56 | jason404 | jhutchins_lt: no, I didn't. |
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| 00:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | Step 3: MAKE A BACKUP! |
| 00:33.06 | mistform | Hello I recently moved from Ubuntu to Debian because I hate Unity and Ubuntu threw me under the bus. |
| 00:33.26 | crogan | hiya mist |
| 00:33.41 | jason404 | jhutchins_lt: so could you help, rather than be all assburgers about it? |
| 00:33.55 | crogan | ha assburgers |
| 00:34.04 | mistform | hello, crogan! I noticed there are a few thigns different from Ubuntu. I am so used to typing "sudo apt-get install programname" but now I can't do that. am I only allowed to do it under su? |
| 00:34.07 | jhutchins_lt | jason404: As far as I can tell there isn't a default - it's blank. |
| 00:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | jason404: Make backups. Make intelligent comments and change notes within the file. Learn to do this better. |
| 00:34.30 | jason404 | hhmn, I certainly had a default output from typing 'alias' |
| 00:34.33 | dvs | mistform: Debian has sudo. Maybe its not installed |
| 00:34.42 | kgoetz | jason404: you really need to pull your head in |
| 00:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | jason404: On lenny that returns alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 00:35.14 | crogan | yeah, sudo apt-get and apt-cache search work just fine for me. |
| 00:35.24 | mistform | dvs, I am not positive if I got the newest, but I did install Debain using a flash drive and had my computer connected to the internet. did I not get all of the basic components? |
| 00:35.29 | crogan | I agree, maybe not installed. |
| 00:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | jason404: Prob'ly in bashrc or something. |
| 00:35.48 | DasEi | mistform: dpkg: [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 00:36.01 | dvs | mistform: I'm not sure if sudo is a "base component" |
| 00:36.20 | DexterF | to downgrade gdm3 to gdm2 : first remove 3 then install 2 or the other way round? |
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| 00:36.33 | crogan | sudo apt-get install sudo |
| 00:36.39 | mistform | dvs, when I try to use "sudo" I get the message: colby is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 00:36.39 | crogan | :D |
| 00:36.47 | crogan | ahh. |
| 00:36.49 | DasEi | hehe |
| 00:36.56 | crogan | that's different |
| 00:36.57 | kgoetz | time to ask about <visudo> :) |
| 00:37.01 | babilen | mistform: The easiest way is probably to install sudo (apt-get install sudo) and add your user to the "sudo" group (adduser YOURUSER sudo) -- log out and back in and you should be ready to go |
| 00:37.03 | crogan | it's install, you're just not allow to sudo. |
| 00:37.09 | dvs | mistform: so, use "visudo" and add colby |
| 00:37.27 | jason404 | jhutchins_lt: thanks. I thought I actually had that, but it seems I don't. Yes, that is the default location, come to think of it, but the file mentions that it may be a good idea to put aliases in ~/.bash_aliases, if you use a lot of custom aliases |
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| 00:37.40 | mistform | babilen, dvs, I used su to try and install sudo and it is the newest version. How do I add myself to the sudoer group? |
| 00:37.49 | dvs | ... |
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| 00:38.05 | babilen | mistform: If you need to configure anything more fancy than just "I want root when I use sudo for everyhting" you have to indeed learn about the sudoers file. Regardless of that I would recommend to learn it. |
| 00:38.06 | DasEi | mistform: man visudo in your terminal tells more |
| 00:38.37 | jj_ | Hello guys, I was wondering if you could help me. |
| 00:38.41 | babilen | mistform: I already told you how to add your user to the sudo group and what you have to do to activate that. (adduser YOURUSER sudo -- log out and back in) |
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| 00:38.57 | crogan | nope. we don't help anyone around here. we're all assburgers about stuff. |
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| 00:39.07 | jj_ | xd |
| 00:39.14 | crogan | lol |
| 00:39.14 | mistform | babilen, sorry. I didn't realize you meant I type into terminal: "adduser colby sudo"? |
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| 00:39.27 | babilen | mistform: Please also read the "man visudo" and "man sudoers" but IMHO adding your user to the sudo group is what you want. My crystal ball might not be working perfectly though |
| 00:39.41 | jj_ | Can you tell me where to buy ant debian cd or dvd, because i have a very slow internet! |
| 00:39.53 | babilen | mistform: Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Read "man adduser" to understand what it does. |
| 00:40.06 | crogan | distrowatch.org may have one. |
| 00:40.08 | kgoetz | jj_: there is a list of vendors on the debian website |
| 00:40.09 | crogan | JJ |
| 00:40.09 | dvs | jj_ Download the netinst CD |
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| 00:40.25 | themill | jj_: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 00:40.31 | crogan | ^ |
| 00:40.38 | DasEi | jj_: how slow ? your location ? will need updates here and then |
| 00:40.42 | jj_ | and are there any free cd shipment like canonicla did? |
| 00:40.46 | jj_ | Portugal |
| 00:40.52 | jj_ | dial-up |
| 00:40.57 | jj_ | :( |
| 00:41.01 | DasEi | ic, pm me |
| 00:41.04 | crogan | apt-cache search betterinternet |
| 00:41.28 | themill | crogan: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with? |
| 00:41.56 | jj_ | DasEi, i pm you? |
| 00:42.28 | DasEi | :) |
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| 00:46.24 | mistform | quick question. what was the command to exit su? |
| 00:46.28 | mistform | without closing the terminal |
| 00:47.24 | kgoetz | exit |
| 00:47.40 | mistform | omg |
| 00:47.46 | mistform | I swear... |
| 00:48.20 | kingsley | What's the name of the Linux command line utility that establishes an SMTP connection to an email server, and reports detailed debugging diagnostics? |
| 00:49.05 | kingsley | swaks |
| 00:49.28 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley: telnet? |
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| 00:50.40 | kingsley | jhutchins_lt: Yes, telnet works, but my recollection is that swaks is focused on debugging email and works better for that purpose. |
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| 00:52.22 | junix | hi, is there a way to unbond network cards in debian 6? |
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| 00:54.26 | mistform | babilen, I'm so sorry. I know you're being patient with me. I still get this message: http://pastebin.com/0AeJB3JM |
| 00:54.55 | dtcrshr | hello everyone, im with a samsung usb hd, and a debian machine without GUI, when i plut in the hd i got some messeges in the screen, and its listed in lsusb, but isnt mounted. df -h dont show me no new /dev/sdxx |
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| 00:58.07 | mistform | can someone please assist me in adding my user to the sudoers file? I've already adduser colby sudo, but I get this message: http://pastebin.com/0AeJB3JM |
| 00:58.42 | mjmt | mistform: FYI adding yourself to a group won't have an effect on current logins (e.g. a desktop). |
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| 00:58.49 | mistform | omg |
| 00:59.06 | mistform | mjmt, I'm so stupid. he did say to relog. |
| 00:59.10 | mjmt | Sorry if that's already been covered. |
| 00:59.12 | ParkerR | mistform, afaik that is not how you add someone to sudo |
| 01:00.08 | dvs | mistform: Did you log out and back in again like babilen said? |
| 01:00.17 | dadsofamerica | ok i installed debian when it restarted it came up and ask me to login [in terminal] how i load the desktop |
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| 01:00.50 | dadsofamerica | wols: you here |
| 01:00.54 | DasEi | mistform: and you will have to alter sudoers by visudo, too, to have it the ubuntu-way |
| 01:01.16 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: startx |
| 01:01.41 | dadsofamerica | DasEi: comand not found |
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| 01:01.57 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: sure you installed desktop ? |
| 01:01.58 | mistform | lordy lordy |
| 01:02.30 | dadsofamerica | DasEi a person had me dwl a 200mb file from debian and said to install it |
| 01:02.47 | dadsofamerica | so i realy dont know im new to linux my self |
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| 01:03.29 | dadsofamerica | is there a way to tell? |
| 01:03.51 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: ic, so probably netinstall/minimal ; enter su to become root |
| 01:04.18 | dadsofamerica | just su |
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| 01:04.34 | dadsofamerica | ok in root |
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| 01:04.50 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: apt-get install gdm3 gnome-desktop-environment ; yes just su to become root before |
| 01:04.56 | mistform | dadsofamerica, "su" means Super User. su means you can change anything, so be careful ;-). |
| 01:05.08 | dadsofamerica | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:05.36 | th0r | mistform: actually, su means switch user |
| 01:05.42 | mistform | orly? |
| 01:05.44 | ranix | a super user has to swear to use his powers only for good, and never for evil or personal gain |
| 01:05.49 | ranix | do you swear |
| 01:06.01 | ranix | to use your powers only for good, and never for evil or personal gain? |
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| 01:06.10 | mistform | "sudo" means super user do. how is su different? |
| 01:06.23 | th0r | mistform: check the man page |
| 01:06.23 | ranix | mistform: type "su www-data" and get back to me |
| 01:06.43 | dadsofamerica | E: unable to locate package gdm3 |
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| 01:07.16 | dadsofamerica | E: unable to locate package gnome-desktop-envirorment |
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| 01:08.07 | dadsofamerica | i have a disk of debian tha has it but its a dvd version |
| 01:08.12 | dadsofamerica | 5.0.4 |
| 01:08.25 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 01:08.45 | ParkerR | dadsofamerica, debian does not support gdm3 yet |
| 01:08.51 | DasEi | found that packacke ? that's lenny then, dadsofamerica, squeeze is current stable |
| 01:09.00 | ParkerR | DasEi, that might just confuse him :P |
| 01:09.14 | dadsofamerica | unable to locate i dont have iternet on debian machien |
| 01:09.32 | ParkerR | Well that could be it |
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| 01:09.45 | dadsofamerica | im new to linux |
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| 01:10.29 | dadsofamerica | so can i compile the new kernel with the gnome invirment of a older version? |
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| 01:10.45 | ranix | urs |
| 01:10.45 | ranix | 18:04 < efou> : modifies damroll by -5 for 3 hours |
| 01:10.46 | ranix | 18:04 < efou> : modifies hitroll by -5 for 3 hours |
| 01:10.46 | ranix | 18:04 < efou> caltraps thats rather nice |
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| 01:10.51 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: I don'twant to confuse you, but easiest will be to d/l a current desktop cd and install, so many things will work then, this is quite unthankfull for a beginner in linux, which os are you on now ? |
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| 01:10.55 | ranix | ahem |
| 01:10.59 | ranix | sorry for the mispaste |
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| 01:11.16 | dadsofamerica | im on a winbox |
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| 01:11.41 | dvs | dadsofamerica: even easier to download a newer ISO image |
| 01:11.48 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: suffiencent bandwith and a usb handy ? box supports booting from usb ? |
| 01:11.52 | dadsofamerica | dvs: right |
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| 01:12.10 | dadsofamerica | yes |
| 01:12.16 | dadsofamerica | both i have |
| 01:12.20 | dadsofamerica | 8gig stick |
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| 01:12.52 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: google unetbootin for windows, d/l it and set up a bootable usb with a fresh desktop-iso, re-install |
| 01:13.59 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: ask if details are unclear |
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| 01:14.02 | dadsofamerica | i have to pc 1 im on winbox uther debian |
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| 01:15.00 | dadsofamerica | DasEi: could you help me find what i might need ples i have intel 32 or 64 bit via tech.chipset |
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| 01:15.40 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: you're on win now, so can d/l a current desktop-iso (~650MB), how much ram ? |
| 01:15.56 | dadsofamerica | 3gig ram |
| 01:16.13 | dadsofamerica | right can u help me with a link to retrev the dl from |
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| 01:16.41 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: so google get debian, either http or torrent, the i386 desktop iso is what you want |
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| 01:17.18 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: I could, but that would be my local mirror |
| 01:18.08 | DasEi | your location ? |
| 01:18.20 | DasEi | upps |
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| 01:23.15 | dadsofamerica | all i can find is 4.3gig and 120mb disk iso img |
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| 01:24.15 | dvs | dadsofamerica: What's the problem with that? |
| 01:24.46 | dadsofamerica | iv dl it thats where i got the 5.0.4version from the same place |
| 01:25.01 | dadsofamerica | its not the new 6.0 kernell |
| 01:25.27 | dvs | dadsofamerica: Go to http://www.debian.org/ and click on the top-right corner. |
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| 01:26.22 | dadsofamerica | and thats with desktop to right |
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| 01:26.32 | dadsofamerica | the uther person gave me one with out it |
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| 01:26.52 | ClemSF | Youpi_Matin: hi |
| 01:26.52 | dadsofamerica | not trying to question ty for the help jw |
| 01:27.09 | dvs | dadsofamerica: desktop? I will download that if you choose it. |
| 01:27.13 | DasEi | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/ , dadsofamerica |
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| 01:27.43 | dvs | s/i/it |
| 01:28.29 | dadsofamerica | ty dasei and dvs for all your help |
| 01:29.31 | DasEi | dadsofamerica: starting up was only possible by lot's of help, welcome |
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| 01:42.35 | mistform | I know this is a dumb question, but how do I change my GDM theme? I downloaded a theme already and have it extracted (if necessary) |
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| 01:43.29 | adhoc | mistform: rightclick on the desktop, hit the them tab ... |
| 01:43.40 | dvs | them? |
| 01:44.03 | adhoc | theme |
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| 01:45.24 | mistform | adhoc, the login theme? |
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| 01:46.53 | adhoc | oh |
| 01:47.07 | adhoc | not sure about that one |
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| 01:49.06 | [MatSalleh] | I'm so fucking annoyed now. I've specified a name server in /etc/network/interfaces, tried prepending/superseding in the dhcp client config. it still doesn't work! All I want is a dynamic address with static dns =/ |
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| 01:50.58 | mistform | [MatSalleh], I'm no pro, but I do remember doing a static IP and DNS by manually editing some file... I can't remember where it was located. The graphical way seems to always mess it up |
| 01:50.59 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces && pastebinit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:51.18 | mistform | it may have been resolv.conf |
| 01:51.19 | mistform | lol |
| 01:51.43 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: give the two urls here |
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| 01:53.25 | DasEi | mistform: /etc/network/interfaces overides the gtk-setting of network-manager |
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| 01:57.46 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: ? |
| 01:58.16 | sedulous | does anyone know a package with a program menu icon that's larger than 32x32 pixels? |
| 01:59.22 | sedulous | (the debian menu system manual states that icons shall be <= 32x32 pixels) |
| 02:00.39 | ParkerR | SO why are you wanting to find one that is 32x32? |
| 02:01.44 | sedulous | many applications provide SVG or high-res PNG icons. i want to know how they are packaged |
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| 02:05.26 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: http://pastebin.com/E2bxpq5y |
| 02:06.08 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: http://pastebin.com/ny6vuqBa |
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| 02:09.22 | dadsofamerica | where can i download packs like wine and uthers |
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| 02:10.05 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: some strange issues; how many nics are actually there, 2 ? and what provides dhcp, the router ? on 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 02:10.11 | sedulous | wine is packaged by debian, dadsofamerica. you can find it in the standard repository |
| 02:10.31 | sixyearsofdreams | jelly: heya jels :D |
| 02:10.40 | sixyearsofdreams | jelly: figured out the issue with mta ... |
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| 02:11.11 | kaiyin | e |
| 02:11.15 | dadsofamerica | is there a way to download them seperat? |
| 02:11.53 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: 2 nics, one takes dhcp (eth0), one serves it (eth1) |
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| 02:12.17 | ranix | dadsofamerica: packages.debian.org |
| 02:12.22 | sedulous | dadsofamerica: downloading separate packages is of course possible but it's not supported here |
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| 02:12.28 | nevyn | that's going to be havok inducing. unless one's hard bridged to a vm. |
| 02:12.42 | dadsofamerica | ok but ty |
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| 02:14.28 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: http://pastebin.com/ZMGjThpv |
| 02:15.31 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: delete the whole content of resolv.conf, restart network as root, and maybe look up in mii-tool other ethertoll the box also calls them eth0,1 and not other |
| 02:15.54 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: to restart : service networking restart |
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| 02:16.20 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: Yeah I've already tried that =/ |
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| 02:16.48 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: look up in mii-tool or ether-tool * the box also calls them eth0,1 and not other |
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| 02:18.36 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: does mii-tool report correct eth0,1 ? |
| 02:20.53 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: I'm trying something else first, hold on |
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| 02:22.49 | knuthy | Hey, I've got a little issue here. I'm hosting mutiple websites (for a friend) and one of his websites is sending spam emails (in mail.info log I see too many outgoing emails from www-data@myserver) |
| 02:23.22 | knuthy | how can I know which one is sending them :/ |
| 02:24.00 | knuthy | 'cause there is no PID of the process in the log |
| 02:24.00 | adhoc | knuthy: can you switch your main server to store only, ie not send out? |
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| 02:24.22 | adhoc | then you can walk the input queues |
| 02:24.23 | knuthy | adhoc: in postfix config? |
| 02:24.34 | adhoc | oh, no idea. |
| 02:24.48 | adhoc | diable it and then look at the queue by hand |
| 02:25.32 | knuthy | gonna check |
| 02:26.00 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 02:26.00 | [MatSalleh] | eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
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| 02:26.29 | adhoc | knuthy: have a look at http://blog.gtuhl.com/2008/08/14/basic-postfix-queue-management/ |
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| 02:26.34 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: It's got nothing to do with that. Something is making it request a name server |
| 02:26.37 | adhoc | knuthy: postsuper -h |
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| 02:28.22 | knuthy | thanks adhoc ^_^ |
| 02:28.42 | adhoc | knuthy: stop it first, then you can figure outwhats going on |
| 02:29.10 | adhoc | incoming mail servers will put messages destined for you in their hold queue for long enough for you to figure out whats going on |
| 02:29.55 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: what serves the dhcp to eth0 ? common routers provide that info |
| 02:30.31 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: My modem |
| 02:32.10 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: modem or router ? modems don't provide dhcp necessarily |
| 02:32.45 | [MatSalleh] | DasEi: Duuudee. That's all fine, I need a dhcp address... |
| 02:33.12 | DasEi | [MatSalleh]: what do you get if you run dhclient as root ? |
| 02:33.27 | knuthy | adhoc: great, found what's the problem. he has a mailing list installed. many of the emails registred into this list do not exist, so www-data receives back from the mail-delivery server |
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| 02:34.33 | adhoc | ok so maybe the list can diable deliverey for users that bounce once ? |
| 02:34.41 | adhoc | knuthy: is it mailman? |
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| 02:36.14 | knuthy | dunno which list he has |
| 02:36.46 | knuthy | I just noticed that the msg sent were regular list messages. |
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| 02:38.00 | sunscreen | What is tool/method to get cpu load on a per processor/core bases ?? |
| 02:38.23 | adhoc | sunscreen: run 'top' and hit 1 |
| 02:38.35 | sunscreen | I want to take it into a bash or php scritp |
| 02:38.50 | adhoc | oh |
| 02:39.03 | adhoc | how about something like sysstat or vmstat? |
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| 02:39.58 | sunscreen | vmstat -s |
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| 02:40.10 | snax | hi |
| 02:40.21 | sunscreen | hm |
| 02:40.24 | snax | apt-cache search conky # No conky |
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| 02:43.22 | knuthy | Good night |
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| 02:45.41 | snax | what do I need in sources.list to get conky |
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| 02:46.43 | a1fa | where can I find Asterisk 1.8.5.0 in deb for i386/squeeze |
| 02:47.02 | snax | same here for conky |
| 02:47.02 | jmarsden | snax: The contrib repository |
| 02:47.35 | a1fa | where is that at? |
| 02:48.17 | a1fa | nvm |
| 02:48.44 | snax | jmarsden: now how do I add that in sources.list? |
| 02:48.46 | a1fa | 1.8.3 in contrib only |
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| 02:48.57 | snax | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib # is wrong |
| 02:49.03 | snax | whats the syntax |
| 02:49.43 | dyingprism | hey the active programs taskbar isn't appearing anywhere to show things that don't dock on the regular menu (like pidgin, skype rhythmbox) does anyone know how to retrieve this in gnome3? |
| 02:50.06 | jmarsden | a1fa: sid has asterisk | 1:1.8.4.4~dfsg-2 | sid | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc |
| 02:50.24 | jmarsden | a1fa: So unless 1.8.5 is in experimental... it's not in Debian yet. |
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| 02:53.54 | a1fa | nvm |
| 02:53.58 | a1fa | i got it off digium directly |
| 02:54.00 | a1fa | thanks for your help |
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| 02:54.04 | snax | I put deb http://packages.kirya.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 02:54.11 | snax | now I get a gpg error. |
| 02:54.14 | snax | I just want to install conky |
| 02:54.58 | snax | what do I have to type to install conky ? |
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| 02:56.35 | jmarsden | snax: If you trust that repository, add the key for it using apt-key and then retry apt-get update && apt-get install conky |
| 02:57.34 | jmarsden | snax: But that doesn't look like an official Debian repository to me.. are you sure it is one? if it is, you shouldn't need an additional key for it. |
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| 02:58.34 | snax | jmarsden: I just cut and pasted from google. |
| 02:58.46 | snax | what does the one in your sources.list say? |
| 02:58.46 | jmarsden | Then stop doing that! |
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| 02:59.09 | snax | why is conky not in the repos in the first place ? |
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| 03:00.09 | snax | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free # Doesn't work |
| 03:00.10 | jmarsden | It is. It is in the contrib section because of copyright/DFSG issues of some sort, I think. |
| 03:00.12 | snax | what works. |
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| 03:01.14 | DasEi | dpkg: Conky is a highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. Packaged in <contrib> as of squeeze. http://conky.sf.net/faq.html http://conky.wikia.com/ http://conky.sf.net/ #conky on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:01.15 | dpkg | ...but conky is already something else... |
| 03:01.27 | simonlnu | !conky |
| 03:01.28 | dpkg | Conky is a highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. Packaged in <contrib> as of squeeze. http://conky.sf.net/faq.html http://conky.wikia.com/ http://conky.sf.net/ #conky on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:01.48 | snax | do those links tell you how to install it ? |
| 03:01.53 | jmarsden | snax: I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 03:02.17 | DasEi | snax: check your sources list for contrib enabled, run an update, install conky |
| 03:02.19 | simonlnu | ,info conky |
| 03:02.20 | judd | Package conky (contrib/utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: highly configurable system monitor (transitional package). Version: 1.8.0-1; Size: 31.5k; Installed: 68k; Homepage: http://conky.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/conky |
| 03:02.33 | simonlnu | pulls in: Depends: conky-all | conky-std |
| 03:02.57 | jmarsden | snax: Other than enabling contrib, there is no "special magic" to installing conky, you apt-get install it like any other package. |
| 03:03.35 | jmarsden | snax: Did you forget to apt-get update after editing your sources.list file? |
| 03:03.50 | snax | I got it. thanks |
| 03:03.58 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
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| 03:06.46 | Mandor | So, I've got a bunch of USB drives hooked up to a PC running Debian 6. |
| 03:07.22 | Mandor | I've had some odd events where the FSs effectively stopped responding. |
| 03:07.29 | pbase | use mount device destination |
| 03:08.18 | pbase | I had the same problem yesterday and it got solved using the manual commands |
| 03:08.18 | Mandor | Commands like mount -a and even ls /$rootdir are unkillable. |
| 03:08.28 | Mandor | Yeah, I've been using manual commands. |
| 03:08.39 | Mandor | I even tried physically disconnecting the drives. |
| 03:08.53 | Mandor | I still have a bunch of unkillable processes. |
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| 03:09.04 | Mandor | Even umount $mountpoint is unkillable. |
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| 03:09.13 | Mandor | Any way to fix this without rebooting? |
| 03:09.20 | pbase | I got a hint while searchgin.. there is this hotplug. if enabled it causes conflict with testing |
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| 03:11.43 | Mandor | hotplug already wasn't running. |
| 03:12.57 | Mandor | dbus was running. I stopped it and restarted it. The various processes are still hung. |
| 03:13.22 | simonlnu | they're likely zombies now |
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| 03:13.55 | simonlnu | if they are, only way is to reboot |
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| 03:14.44 | Mandor | They're not zombies. |
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| 03:15.11 | Mandor | If they were zombies, they'd be listed as "defunct" in ps fax output. ps fax doesn't say they're defunct. |
| 03:15.35 | Mandor | It does list their stat as "D". |
| 03:15.39 | simonlnu | ok. probably in D state |
| 03:15.43 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 03:16.06 | Mandor | So the question is how to get them out of this state. |
| 03:16.57 | simonlnu | D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 03:17.08 | Mandor | Yes, I'm aware of state D. |
| 03:17.38 | Mandor | Under prior versions of Debian, unplugging the drive would allow it to be unmounted. |
| 03:18.04 | simonlnu | previous kernel versions |
| 03:18.06 | Mandor | Basically, the kernel realized that the drive was no longer reachable and caused requests to error out. |
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| 03:18.32 | RafaFuturo | Hi |
| 03:18.35 | simonlnu | (imo that was saner, or currently a bug that's not doing that) |
| 03:18.46 | Mandor | Under the current Debian, even unplugging the drive still has it waiting for the drive. |
| 03:18.48 | RafaFuturo | Anyone like lmde? |
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| 03:19.02 | Mandor | So, is there a sysctl tunable, or equivalent, to fix this? |
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| 03:19.30 | Mandor | Yes, I'm sure it's either a kernel bug or a kernel "feature". |
| 03:19.47 | Mandor | But last I checked, Debian policy was to work through Debian rather than upstream. |
| 03:20.29 | Mandor | Hence why I'm hear rather than on LKML. |
| 03:20.41 | Mandor | Or #kernel. |
| 03:21.07 | Mandor | Anyone have a fix *other* than rebooting? |
| 03:21.12 | simonlnu | here* |
| 03:21.29 | Mandor | Yes, here. So anyone have a fix *other* than rebooting? |
| 03:21.29 | Rafaelx | how is debian mint? |
| 03:21.40 | simonlnu | note i said "if they're zombies" |
| 03:22.11 | Mandor | If they were zombies, BTW, there is an easy way to harvest them -- kill the ppid. |
| 03:22.40 | simonlnu | uh, not always |
| 03:22.49 | simonlnu | mr know-it-all |
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| 03:23.20 | Mandor | I'm asking a question because I don't know it all. :) |
| 03:23.53 | Mandor | So, is there a way to fix this problem? |
| 03:24.09 | Mandor | Or should I go ask elsewhere? |
| 03:28.30 | DarkEyes | http://paste.debian.net/125048/ <- But there is no 7.47 for Debian 6 What should i do |
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| 03:31.14 | simonlnu | Mandor: hmm. so you've done all that, and it won't let go? it did used to, dunno, maybe stop some daemons that might be holding it open, like hald, dbus-daemon, stuff like that, even nautilus or plasma-desktop or xfce4-desktop (or whatever you use) |
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| 03:33.36 | Mandor | simonlnu: thanks for the suggestion. I already killed dbus. No hald. Not a desktop, so no nautilus or plasma-desktop. |
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| 03:34.23 | simonlnu | check with lsof, maybe some more clues there |
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| 03:36.40 | Mandor | lsof is hanging, too. <sigh>. |
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| 03:39.21 | simonlnu | :( |
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| 03:44.14 | sedulous | DarkEyes: this library doesn't exist in debian |
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| 03:44.21 | sedulous | you'll have to roll your own package |
| 03:44.40 | sedulous | or adapt an ubuntu package |
| 03:44.50 | DarkEyes | libmediainfo0_0.7.47-1_amd64.Debian_6.0.deb |
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| 03:44.56 | DarkEyes | i found it someware |
| 03:45.02 | DarkEyes | thanks tho |
| 03:45.11 | sedulous | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libmediainfo0&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 03:46.04 | ParkerR | Success! |
| 03:46.40 | adhoc | Mandor: i have seen this before |
| 03:47.08 | adhoc | we have had machines with the segate external USB controllers, all IO to the device hangs |
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| 03:47.16 | adhoc | Mandor: can you take the machine to run level 1 ? |
| 03:47.22 | pbase | adhoc: on debian testing. working lovely.. |
| 03:47.28 | klh | failed to connect to session manager, session manager enviroment variable not defined/set |
| 03:47.34 | adhoc | pbase: schweet =) |
| 03:47.35 | klh | unable to startx as user |
| 03:47.39 | klh | but can as root |
| 03:47.58 | Mandor | adhoc: I'd rather not. It's a host for a bunch of VMs, most of which are fully functional. :( |
| 03:48.02 | adhoc | Mandor: what is the device? |
| 03:48.24 | adhoc | can you force a umount of the devices? |
| 03:48.38 | Mandor | adhoc: the computer is a Dell R710. The USB drives are various WD MyBooks. |
| 03:48.59 | adhoc | WD MyBooks. are external USB drives? |
| 03:49.01 | Mandor | adhoc: already tried umounts of the various drives. The umounts are themselves unkillable. :( |
| 03:49.12 | adhoc | i see |
| 03:49.35 | Mandor | adhoc: yes, they're external USB drives. 2x connected using USB 2, one connected using a USB2->3 cable. |
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| 03:49.53 | smax | hi |
| 03:49.56 | sedulous | Mandor: have you tried a lazy umount (-l) |
| 03:50.15 | sedulous | and don't use tab completion to write the path |
| 03:50.17 | adhoc | if umount and lsof fails, you've got little chance of recovering the devices in a running state unless you can unlod the kernel modules |
| 03:50.18 | smax | How do I make a command run when the computer starts ? |
| 03:50.33 | smax | err when I log in is suffice. but not everytime I open a terminal. |
| 03:50.34 | adhoc | but i'm not sure of the dependency tree for that in your case |
| 03:50.47 | sedulous | smax: system-wide /etc/rc.local or a cronjob with @reboot, user: cronjob with @reboot |
| 03:51.03 | Mandor | sedulous: I hadn't tried umount -l before, but tried it now. No joy. That process has joined the other unkillables. |
| 03:51.37 | sedulous | Mandor: you probably tried "kill -9" too |
| 03:51.47 | Mandor | sedulous: yes, tried kill -9. |
| 03:52.13 | smax | sedulous: is /etc/rc.local a place to put conky & ? |
| 03:52.18 | adhoc | Mandor: if you can figure out the kernel modules require to mount those volumes, you can try unloading them ... |
| 03:52.33 | sedulous | smax: no, /etc/rc.local is only for system processes without a GUI |
| 03:52.55 | smax | so where do I put conky ? |
| 03:52.56 | sedulous | smax: if you want to autostart GUI apps, either use ~/.Xsession or ~/.config/autostart/ if you're on gnome/kde |
| 03:53.58 | sedulous | i guess XFCE uses ~/.config/autostart too |
| 03:54.02 | adhoc | smax: /etc/rc.local is for system services |
| 03:54.39 | Mandor | adhoc: no joy. usb_storage is in use. The mounted FSs make the modules unable to be unloaded. |
| 03:54.44 | smax | there's not autostart under .config , is autostart a file, or a dir of scripts |
| 03:54.51 | adhoc | Mandor: reboot =( |
| 03:54.52 | smax | im gonna make it |
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| 03:55.05 | Mandor | adhoc: :( |
| 03:55.07 | sedulous | Mandor: if your kernel is configured with forced module unloading, you can try rmmod -f |
| 03:55.12 | adhoc | Mandor: i've had this a few times |
| 03:55.32 | adhoc | sedulous: its worth a try =) |
| 03:55.47 | Mandor | sedulous: ooh, nifty. Didn't help, but very cool. |
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| 03:56.24 | adhoc | Mandor: suspend those VMs and init 6 |
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| 03:56.52 | Guest70592 | hey how can i irc with ssl? |
| 03:57.01 | Mandor | adhoc: I know I can reboot. What I'm looking for is a solution that lets me recover without rebooting. Not just for today, but for the next time. |
| 03:57.03 | Guest70592 | do i need to download a specific app? |
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| 03:57.16 | adhoc | Mandor: it happens. |
| 03:57.38 | Mandor | adhoc: yes. But it should be fought as much as possible. |
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| 03:58.28 | adhoc | Mandor: yes, i took the drives out of the external usb and put them in the machine |
| 03:58.34 | adhoc | no problems since |
| 03:58.41 | Guest70592 | hey how can i irc with ssl? |
| 03:58.43 | Guest70592 | do i need to download a specific app? |
| 03:59.02 | sedulous | Guest70592: most clients support SSL. you have to configure it to use it |
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| 03:59.21 | Guest70592 | i need the server though |
| 03:59.38 | sedulous | an IRC server with SSL? |
| 03:59.52 | Guest70592 | i try connecting to freenode |
| 03:59.53 | Guest70592 | with ssl |
| 03:59.56 | Guest70592 | but it does not connect |
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| 04:00.47 | sedulous | ah |
| 04:00.52 | sedulous | it's port 6697, Guest70592 |
| 04:01.08 | Guest70592 | yeah i know |
| 04:01.10 | Guest70592 | but no luck |
| 04:01.10 | Guest70592 | ;( |
| 04:01.13 | sedulous | same server |
| 04:01.36 | Guest70592 | yeah |
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| 04:01.40 | sedulous | maybe your ISP is blocking certain IRC ports. some do that in order to fight simple trojans that use IRC as their command & control |
| 04:01.43 | Guest70592 | before i had to install like a ssl server |
| 04:01.54 | Guest70592 | but i forgot the name of it |
| 04:01.55 | sedulous | freenode offers alternative ports |
| 04:02.08 | sedulous | check the homepage |
| 04:02.09 | ParkerR | Guest70592, openssh |
| 04:02.17 | Guest70592 | i have it already |
| 04:02.17 | ParkerR | Oh |
| 04:02.18 | ParkerR | Nvm |
| 04:02.25 | ParkerR | Ignore me |
| 04:02.27 | ParkerR | XD |
| 04:02.31 | sedulous | Guest70592: what's your IRC client? |
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| 04:02.39 | Guest70592 | xchat |
| 04:02.57 | adhoc | Guest70592: http://www.mindforge.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=70&Itemid=45 |
| 04:02.58 | ParkerR | xchat has ssl support out of the box |
| 04:03.03 | SushiDude | Have you tried the Freenode ssl port? |
| 04:03.06 | Guest70592 | i know |
| 04:03.17 | SushiDude | 7000 and 7070 are the ssl ones |
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| 04:04.33 | Guest70592 | no luck |
| 04:04.34 | Guest70592 | still |
| 04:04.38 | sedulous | (off-topic) you can also connect to freenode via TOR hidden service and SASL authentication nowadays |
| 04:05.05 | SushiDude | You could call your isp and tell them to open the ports.. |
| 04:05.20 | SushiDude | Or maybe it is your firewall blocking you from connecting |
| 04:06.13 | sedulous | Guest70592: get nmap and try: "nmap -sT irc.freenode.net -p 7000" |
| 04:06.55 | sedulous | it should show "open". if it doesn't, something is blocking it |
| 04:07.23 | sedulous | you can also use the "zenmap" GUI instead |
| 04:07.47 | Guest70592 | Hostname irc.freenode.net resolves to 16 IPs. Only scanned 130.239.18.172 |
| 04:07.47 | Guest70592 | rDNS record for 130.239.18.172: leguin.acc.umu.se |
| 04:08.21 | wols_ | Guest70592: from your end try to connect to freenode's ssl ports via telnet |
| 04:08.27 | Guest70592 | hmmm |
| 04:08.52 | sedulous | Guest70592: it should print one line like: 7000/tcp open |
| 04:09.05 | Guest70592 | 00:08 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.freenode.net [86.65.39.15] port 7000 |
| 04:09.05 | Guest70592 | 00:08 -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.freenode.net established |
| 04:09.06 | Guest70592 | 00:08 -!- Irssi: warning Connection reset by peer |
| 04:09.44 | ParkerR | Guest70592, I thought you were using x chat? |
| 04:09.49 | Guest70592 | yeah |
| 04:09.54 | ParkerR | Thats irssi |
| 04:09.55 | Guest70592 | but i open irssi |
| 04:10.03 | Guest70592 | to see if it connect it |
| 04:10.05 | Guest70592 | but same error |
| 04:10.06 | ParkerR | Ok.... |
| 04:10.42 | ParkerR | Im pretty usre you need to tell irssi that that is an ssl server |
| 04:10.49 | ParkerR | It doesnt know that just by the port |
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| 04:11.12 | ParkerR | I think try /server irc.freenode.net +7000 |
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| 04:11.25 | ParkerR | I know mIRC does that |
| 04:11.32 | wols_ | irssi doesn't |
| 04:11.40 | ParkerR | Uses a plus for ssl connections |
| 04:11.44 | ParkerR | Ah ok |
| 04:11.55 | ParkerR | Thought it was worth a shot XD |
| 04:12.27 | sedulous | yeah i don't use irssi either but it's very likely that it doesn't guess SSL by the port number |
| 04:12.29 | wols_ | at least not like this. see "/help server" and it tells you how. or better yet, /help network |
| 04:13.01 | wols_ | irssi uses the option -ssl for the /server command |
| 04:13.08 | ParkerR | Ahh |
| 04:13.27 | ParkerR | So /server -ssl irc.freenode.net:7000 |
| 04:13.36 | Guest70592 | ok i connect |
| 04:13.41 | ParkerR | :D |
| 04:14.09 | Guest70592 | but i don't get the host like 311.213131.31 |
| 04:14.10 | Guest70592 | usually |
| 04:14.14 | Guest70592 | i get alot of numbers |
| 04:14.17 | Guest70592 | when u connect ssl |
| 04:14.44 | Guest70592 | usually u get a weird host |
| 04:14.57 | adhoc | Guest70592: you mean the IP address of the host? |
| 04:15.03 | Guest70592 | yeah |
| 04:15.18 | Guest70592 | like a lot of users get at least a huge host |
| 04:15.20 | Guest70592 | name |
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| 04:16.04 | SushiDude | 311.213131.31 is not a really IPv4 address.. |
| 04:16.10 | SushiDude | real* |
| 04:16.20 | adhoc | it can not be an IP |
| 04:16.24 | sedulous | maybe freenode only uses reverse DNS for ssl connections |
| 04:16.29 | Guest70592 | hmmmm |
| 04:16.31 | sedulous | i haven't tried to compare it |
| 04:17.03 | Guest70592 | does freenode allows to coonnect via ipv6? |
| 04:17.20 | ParkerR | Yes |
| 04:17.21 | SushiDude | Yes |
| 04:17.34 | adhoc | in irssi; To connect to an SSL enabled server using SSL (in versions of irssi that support it) do: /connect -SSL irc.newserver.net portNumber |
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| 04:17.49 | adhoc | Guest70592: yes |
| 04:18.24 | sedulous | no, i get a reverse DNS hostname for both my regular and ssl connection |
| 04:18.31 | adhoc | maybe its failing the SSL connection due to an out of dat cert? |
| 04:18.47 | adhoc | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sslaccess |
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| 04:21.10 | Guest70592 | i get my regular |
| 04:21.10 | Guest70592 | host |
| 04:21.15 | Guest70592 | when i connect via ssl |
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| 04:23.37 | SushiDude | Is the issues on every computer on the network or only that one? |
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| 04:24.21 | sedulous | Guest70592: what do you mean with "host"? |
| 04:24.54 | Guest70592 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.57 | Guest70592 | i get that regular one |
| 04:25.03 | sedulous | what did you expect? |
| 04:25.08 | Guest70592 | before when i us to connect the hostname it us to be like 39iRCD |
| 04:25.10 | Guest70592 | with letters |
| 04:25.27 | sedulous | ok, i never saw that |
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| 04:25.53 | adhoc | Guest70592: thats the host you are coming from |
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| 04:25.58 | Guest70592 | i know |
| 04:25.59 | Guest70592 | but before |
| 04:26.04 | Guest70592 | i us to get a weird ip |
| 04:26.07 | Guest70592 | with a lot of numbers |
| 04:26.10 | Guest70592 | and letters |
| 04:26.25 | adhoc | maybe the revrse for your isp has chagened. |
| 04:26.26 | sedulous | maybe you connected via IPv6 and didn't realize it :P |
| 04:26.29 | sedulous | or that |
| 04:26.35 | Guest70592 | yeah |
| 04:26.39 | Guest70592 | i did connect it via IPV6 |
| 04:26.43 | Guest70592 | how can i connect via ipv6 |
| 04:26.44 | Guest70592 | ? |
| 04:26.58 | adhoc | find a ipv6 broker and do teh tunnel thing. |
| 04:27.06 | adhoc | maybe huricane |
| 04:27.42 | Guest70592 | ok |
| 04:27.47 | Guest70592 | and what's the ipv6 server? |
| 04:27.56 | sedulous | as for freenode itself, you just connect like you always do. it's transparent (irc.freenode.net also resolves to IPv6 addresses nowadays) |
| 04:27.59 | adhoc | look on the freenode page. |
| 04:28.17 | sedulous | you can just use irc.freenode.net now too |
| 04:28.22 | adhoc | Guest70592: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
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| 04:28.59 | adhoc | sedulous: won't always take you to an ipv6 enabled server though, depends on how your resolver is configured |
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| 04:29.12 | adhoc | if it always does an ipv6 query first? |
| 04:29.18 | Guest70592 | hmmm |
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| 04:29.36 | simonlnu | by default it does |
| 04:29.45 | simonlnu | dns resolver i mean |
| 04:30.03 | adhoc | Guest70592: you pick a server that has ipv6 support and |
| 04:30.06 | adhoc | Guest70592: $ host -t any calvino.freenode.net |
| 04:30.12 | sedulous | adhoc: at least linux systems handle it like this: you have native IPv6 or a tunnel, it is preferred over IPv4. if you only have a teredo tunnel however, IPv4 is preferred |
| 04:30.12 | adhoc | Guest70592: calvino.freenode.net has IPv6 address 2001:1418:13:1::25 |
| 04:30.21 | adhoc | and then connec to the ipv6 address |
| 04:30.22 | adhoc | easy |
| 04:30.37 | adhoc | sedulous: teredo ? |
| 04:31.10 | sedulous | adhoc: teredo is a tunneling mechanism that's very easy to configure and doesn't require an account with a broker. to use it, just install the "miredo" package and you're done |
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| 04:31.25 | adhoc | oh |
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| 04:42.34 | FIReun | my poor sound doesnt work ): |
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| 04:44.42 | wols_ | !alsa checklist |
| 04:44.43 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 04:55.43 | FIReun | asound is telling me it cant "open slave" and a playback error "-2, no such file or directory" |
| 04:55.57 | FIReun | I have no /dev/audio but I have /dev/audio1 |
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| 04:57.57 | simonlnu | you should be looking in /dev/snd anyway |
| 04:58.24 | FIReun | sure, theres stuff in there |
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| 05:06.10 | pyrophelia | quick question, whats the install like on a mac pro these days? Is it still a bitch like the PowerPC was or is it actually painless? A friend of mine said he had debian running on his mac pro in under an hour |
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| 05:08.17 | wols_ | pyrophelia: fairly. except for EFI, a Mac is a totally standard PC |
| 05:08.28 | pyrophelia | yea i'm reading about that now |
| 05:08.33 | adhoc | except for the crappy video |
| 05:08.38 | pyrophelia | ? |
| 05:08.45 | pyrophelia | crappy video? |
| 05:08.55 | adhoc | yeah |
| 05:09.07 | adhoc | all the guys at perl mongers were bitching about them last night |
| 05:09.22 | pyrophelia | 'them' |
| 05:09.26 | pyrophelia | mind explaining |
| 05:09.34 | pyrophelia | am I better off using it as a headless server or what |
| 05:09.45 | pyrophelia | my friend didn't mention anything about video problems |
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| 05:09.58 | adhoc | most the moderm apple machines have really slow video |
| 05:10.07 | adhoc | they are fine for web and a bit of video |
| 05:10.42 | pyrophelia | I think you mean macbook pro |
| 05:10.44 | wols_ | pyrophelia: adhoc is talking OT BS. macs use the same videochips as all other PCs |
| 05:11.01 | pyrophelia | mac pro's have fairly high end ati cards |
| 05:11.04 | pyrophelia | nvidia cards last year |
| 05:11.27 | adhoc | pyrophelia: yes, you would think they would have a nicer video chipset but 3D on them is quite slow. |
| 05:11.42 | wols_ | adhoc: anything debian related to contribute? |
| 05:11.47 | pyrophelia | I was about to say |
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| 05:12.05 | pyrophelia | I dont exactly plan on running maya in wine |
| 05:12.14 | pyrophelia | anyway... |
| 05:12.19 | pyrophelia | so other than that possibility |
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| 05:12.24 | adhoc | vols_, the guys i was talking to were running debian on them, some stable some testing |
| 05:12.39 | pyrophelia | doing what exactly |
| 05:12.44 | pyrophelia | running wine games? |
| 05:12.48 | pyrophelia | I couldn't care less about that |
| 05:13.05 | wols_ | pyrophelia, adhoc: if you want to talk about the crappiness of certain hardware fine. but please do it in ##hardware |
| 05:13.10 | adhoc | secondlife was mentioned a few times |
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| 05:13.18 | pyrophelia | ok never mind, I don't care |
| 05:13.21 | pyrophelia | as I was saying |
| 05:13.22 | adhoc | vols_ roger that |
| 05:13.40 | pyrophelia | wait people actually admit to playing that pos? |
| 05:13.44 | pyrophelia | sorry on topic again |
| 05:14.00 | pyrophelia | Besides the BIOS any other gotcha's I should be looking for? |
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| 05:16.55 | pyrophelia | ? |
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| 05:28.44 | aidalgol | Is it possible to use one analog stick on a gamepad â I have an Xbox360 gamepad â to control the mouse, and one for scrolling (like two-finger scrolling on a trackpad)? |
| 05:28.49 | lamah | hi |
| 05:29.31 | lamah | does i have duplicate lines here: http://pastebin.com/tcKvgbiU ? |
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| 05:31.33 | mjmt | aidalgol: You could try, install xserver-xorg-input-joystick. |
| 05:32.32 | aidalgol | mjmt: I know of that package. Just no idea how to configure it. |
| 05:32.33 | lamah | does update servers haves eclipse editor? or this is other? |
| 05:32.56 | lamah | eclipse - Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE |
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| 05:35.03 | mjmt | aidalgol: xinput is pretty handy; I have a script that uses it to set up my trackball, including setting up one of the buttons to switch between moving and scrolling. |
| 05:35.21 | mjmt | (xinput is the package name also.) |
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| 05:36.37 | aidalgol | mjmt: I've used xinput (in my xinit script) to configure my trackpad, but I had to poke around the Internet to find the parameters I wanted. |
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| 05:37.03 | aidalgol | Is there some comprehensive documentation on xinput device parameters? The man page is a bit lacking. |
| 05:37.35 | chrissbx | lamah: yes you have many duplicates there |
| 05:37.57 | chrissbx | or at least, several |
| 05:38.46 | chrissbx | and if you mean with "update servers" the package repository, then yes, it contains eclipse. |
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| 05:40.02 | mjmt | aidalgol: Nah you'll pretty much just have to experiment. xinput itself will tell you more than the man page, with --list-props etc. |
| 05:40.09 | chrissbx | lamah: check 'man sources.list' for the format of this file |
| 05:41.19 | flamingspinach | What does the exit status of `ps` mean? I don't see it in the man page... |
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| 05:42.28 | allandee | flamingspinach: if it's not 0, it means that ps could not successfully read all the information from the processes you requested it list information from. |
| 05:42.52 | flamingspinach | insufficient permissions, or something? |
| 05:42.58 | lamah | chrissbx: what ? |
| 05:43.07 | lamah | chrissbx: why ? |
| 05:43.17 | allandee | yea, or something ;) do you have a case where it doesn't return 0? |
| 05:43.36 | flamingspinach | yup |
| 05:43.36 | Mr_Queue | I'm unable to change the max limit with cpufreq-set -u 220000, they changes do not take. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/1KAJEWhc |
| 05:43.48 | allandee | and do you want to share? |
| 05:43.53 | lamah | chrissbx: which lines are duplicate? |
| 05:43.56 | flamingspinach | specifically `ps --no-headers --ppid somepid 2>/dev/null` though that last part probably shouldn't matter |
| 05:43.56 | Guest70592 | adhoc, which port is it on? |
| 05:44.05 | flamingspinach | returns an exit status of 1, and no processes |
| 05:44.14 | flamingspinach | whereas htop shows processes with somepid as their parent |
| 05:44.17 | chrissbx | lamah: for example you request main and contrib from security.d.o twice. |
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| 05:44.57 | flamingspinach | I get the same thing with sudo, even... |
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| 05:45.22 | allandee | flamingspinach: within the same user context? |
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| 05:45.37 | lamah | chrissbx: they are differnt one with default and one with non-free |
| 05:45.45 | mjmt | aidalgol: This looks promising: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/xboxdrv/ |
| 05:45.47 | allandee | flamingspinach: what is the stdout output? |
| 05:46.00 | aidalgol | mjmt: Heh, I'm already using that. |
| 05:46.13 | pbase | trying to get the headphones working.. I have to add the board model info in the configuration files. earlier it used to belike 50-sound.conf or something.. I can't find that now.. any ideas? adhoc: |
| 05:46.19 | lamah | chrissbx: for deb and deb-src |
| 05:46.24 | aidalgol | mjmt: I'll look at it more closely. |
| 05:46.27 | flamingspinach | allandee: no output |
| 05:46.45 | chrissbx | lamah: same for home-dn. If you already request main and contrib, why request those again in the second instance? |
| 05:46.46 | allandee | allandee: not even in the file you redirect stderr to? |
| 05:46.58 | allandee | talking to myself again |
| 05:47.07 | allandee | flamingspinach: not even in the file you redirect stderr to? |
| 05:47.11 | chrissbx | lamah: these are the "components". Read the man page. |
| 05:47.16 | lamah | chrissbx: i can't understand you I have bad english |
| 05:47.39 | flamingspinach | well, there's nothing in /dev/null ;) oddly it is now showing one process |
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| 05:47.50 | flamingspinach | let me try to reproduce the problem again before changing /dev/null to something else |
| 05:47.56 | allandee | flamingspinach: there we go |
| 05:49.09 | allandee | flamingspinach: slightly related, dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null is a really quick way to backup your entire main hdd |
| 05:49.21 | flamingspinach | hurrr |
| 05:49.22 | lamah | chrissbx: can I use main contrib and non-free in one line? |
| 05:49.35 | lamah | chrissbx: you mean that ? |
| 05:49.35 | chrissbx | lamah: there may be translations of the man page in your langage. |
| 05:49.50 | allandee | durr |
| 05:50.14 | chrissbx | lamah: you're already doing it all on one line (line 10) |
| 05:50.29 | chrissbx | you can just eliminate line 7 (same thing for deb-src) |
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| 05:51.03 | chrissbx | but really, check whether you find documentation in your language (which is it?) |
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| 05:51.44 | lamah | forget i will ask someone other |
| 05:51.53 | lamah | :) |
| 05:52.20 | chrissbx | What is your mother language, man? |
| 05:52.24 | allandee | flamingspinach: "foo -bar 2>> ~/my-fucking-log" is good while testing scripts, too. double > means append-to-from-said-file-descriptor |
| 05:52.53 | chrissbx | Or woman :) |
| 05:53.06 | flamingspinach | stderr usually gets spat out onto the terminal anyway, though, right? |
| 05:53.20 | allandee | flamingspinach: not if you redirect it |
| 05:53.29 | flamingspinach | of course :) |
| 05:53.36 | allandee | flamingspinach: with something like 2> or 2>> |
| 05:53.38 | Mr_Queue | I should be able to use the full 2.2GHz, but I'm stuck at 1.2GHz and can not change it. |
| 05:53.49 | Mr_Queue | http://pastebin.com/1KAJEWhc |
| 05:54.05 | Mr_Queue | No errors, nothing. I don't know where to look next. |
| 05:54.11 | flamingspinach | so yeah, just running `ps --no-headers --ppid somepid` shows no output to the terminal, then `echo $?` gives 1 |
| 05:54.15 | flamingspinach | while htop can see five processes descended from somepid |
| 05:54.32 | flamingspinach | they are running under a different user though |
| 05:54.42 | flamingspinach | wait, no they're not |
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| 05:55.13 | allandee | flamingspinach: and what's in the file you've redirected stderr to? |
| 05:55.21 | flamingspinach | I haven't redirected stderr to anything |
| 05:55.58 | allandee | can you paste the command-line? |
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| 05:57.16 | RafaFuturo | It has been imposible for my p install broadcom wireless on debian :( |
| 05:57.51 | allandee | flamingspinach: ps |
| 05:58.34 | allandee | flamingspinach: ps' return-code 1 means that ps did not find any processes matching your criteria |
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| 05:59.18 | flamingspinach | that makes more sense, but still doesn't explain why ps doesn't see those processes - maybe they're defunct or something, or there are some other invisible criteria ps is applying to its search |
| 05:59.24 | allandee | flamingspinach: so testing for return-codes other than zero or one might do the trick? |
| 05:59.46 | flamingspinach | yikes, those are just threads lol |
| 05:59.53 | flamingspinach | apparently I don't know how to use htop :( |
| 06:00.07 | allandee | heh ;) |
| 06:00.23 | allandee | ps has some implicit filters though |
| 06:00.49 | allandee | ...when used without qualifying arguments |
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| 06:02.17 | allandee | flamingspinach: I think it' |
| 06:02.42 | allandee | s the "must-have-a-tty" default filter you need to get rid of to list threads |
| 06:02.50 | flamingspinach | yup |
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| 06:06.38 | allandee | reformulating my question: how do you make window-switching fast with an untouched 11.04 installation? |
| 06:07.31 | allandee | (untouched except installing latest nvidia drivers) |
| 06:07.47 | allandee | (via apt-get) |
| 06:08.42 | civillian | what is 11.04? |
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| 06:09.22 | allandee | civillian: it's Natty Narwhal! |
| 06:10.04 | civillian | !tell allandee about ubuntu |
| 06:10.29 | allandee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:11.18 | civillian | couldn't care less |
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| 06:13.01 | allandee | civillian: ok, I'm in the wrong. I downloaded and installed the thing on the front page of ubuntu.com. |
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| 06:13.17 | allandee | civillian: which release number is it tagged with, and what is it's name, again? |
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| 06:14.27 | wols_ | allandee: you are in #debian here, not #ubuntu |
| 06:14.30 | civillian | again? I didn't tell you in the first place |
| 06:14.57 | allandee | holy shit, I'm so sorry! |
| 06:15.06 | allandee | blushes |
| 06:15.07 | allandee | really |
| 06:15.27 | allandee | that was really bad, I'm sorry |
| 06:15.33 | RafaFuturo | Debian represents |
| 06:15.50 | allandee | hurries out with tail behind legs |
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| 06:16.39 | RafaFuturo | Ssoo |
| 06:17.12 | civillian | I thought he was a troll for a sec there |
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| 06:19.17 | civillian | Are the new non-BKL kernels any faster than the older BKL ones? |
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| 06:25.15 | sixyearsofdreams | im trying to setup squirrelmail with sendmail, but im having issues understanding how the imap works |
| 06:25.28 | sixyearsofdreams | do i have to have that? isnt this provided by the mta |
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| 06:26.06 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: MTA generally refers to the SMTP |
| 06:26.40 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: i thought squierrelmail is provided for sendmail and the users already created there so the mail can be accessed via web |
| 06:26.43 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: IMAP or POP is often separate, and I believe this is the case with sendmail |
| 06:26.43 | sixyearsofdreams | am i wrong |
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| 06:27.25 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: will pop address work where imap is supposed to be in squierlmail config |
| 06:27.35 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: because for the type that i have there is no imap but there is pop |
| 06:27.37 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: no |
| 06:27.43 | sixyearsofdreams | so has to be imap |
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| 06:28.04 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: pop wouldn't make much sense |
| 06:28.24 | sixyearsofdreams | ok, if i added this imap, how would i be logging in |
| 06:28.30 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: pop moves mail off the server to a client, and with squirrel you don't have any such place |
| 06:28.37 | sixyearsofdreams | with my isps email or with users on the box |
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| 06:28.49 | netanel | Hey all |
| 06:29.20 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 06:29.31 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: um, depends, are you using your own MTA or your ISPs? |
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| 06:29.54 | sixyearsofdreams | civillian: Dewi i have sendmail setup it works like a charm, sends mail just fine |
| 06:30.16 | sixyearsofdreams | i suppose im trying to have web interface for the email |
| 06:30.16 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: then in what sense do you have an "ISP email"? |
| 06:30.32 | sixyearsofdreams | because of te imap |
| 06:30.37 | sixyearsofdreams | squierl wants that setup |
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| 06:30.56 | Dewi | that doesn't follow |
| 06:31.08 | Dewi | where is the mail being permanently stored? |
| 06:31.17 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: do you have an ISP email account and you want to setup a home mail server to store it on and access offline? |
| 06:31.25 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: first, you should not use sendmail. 2nd, you need an IMAP server if you want to use squirrelmail (same applies to roundcube) |
| 06:31.56 | sixyearsofdreams | ok, well ive setup sendmail, it can send out mail i guess i want to be able to recieve mail aswell |
| 06:32.01 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: if you are running your own MTA, you can run IMAP on the same machine. It has nothing to do with any external ISP |
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| 06:32.16 | sixyearsofdreams | oh |
| 06:32.17 | sixyearsofdreams | ok |
| 06:32.20 | sixyearsofdreams | yes MTA is setup |
| 06:32.24 | sixyearsofdreams | sendmail |
| 06:32.35 | sixyearsofdreams | my isp was blocking port 25, and they unblocked it for me |
| 06:32.36 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: there is no "receive mail" in the way you just suggested. |
| 06:32.42 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: email is push |
| 06:33.03 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: sendmail both pushes, and allows other MTAs to push to it |
| 06:33.10 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: do you run your own domain? |
| 06:33.14 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: what it does not do is allow access to mailboxes |
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| 06:33.24 | sixyearsofdreams | civillian: yeah i have a domain setup |
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| 06:33.33 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: ok so MX pointing to you? |
| 06:33.35 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: in the sense of a user checking a mailbox, that is handled via POP or IMAP or local access to spools |
| 06:33.45 | Mr_Queue | This is killing me, what is going on? cpufreq-set -f 2200000 defaults to 1.2GHz...... |
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| 06:34.04 | sixyearsofdreams | civillian: its just the domain i setup in the /hosts and the machine |
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| 06:34.08 | sixyearsofdreams | civillian: are you refering to that? |
| 06:34.47 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: so if you have a machine storing mail in /var/spool/mail, installing an IMAP server such as dovecot will allow networked access. Or squirrel. |
| 06:35.25 | sixyearsofdreams | ok sorry im still in the learning curve |
| 06:35.28 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: no as in, you have a domain like sixyearsofdreams.com and MX records pointing to mail.sixyearsofdreams.com |
| 06:35.37 | sixyearsofdreams | ah no negative |
| 06:35.45 | sixyearsofdreams | i have not bought any domain like that |
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| 06:36.14 | sixyearsofdreams | whats confusing me is how does the email sender show as user@six.fish.com |
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| 06:36.20 | sixyearsofdreams | six.fish.com being the domain i have setup |
| 06:38.21 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: that domain isn't showing up publicly for me, is it local only? |
| 06:39.25 | sixyearsofdreams | yes local im sorry its local |
| 06:39.30 | sixyearsofdreams | but like i was sayings its confusing me |
| 06:39.43 | sixyearsofdreams | why is my local domain name showing as sender when i send mail to my self, @gmail.com |
| 06:39.52 | sixyearsofdreams | it shows sixfish@six.fish.com |
| 06:40.14 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: because your MTA is setting the headers and it thinks it's a real domain, what did you want it to say? |
| 06:40.21 | sixyearsofdreams | by this being just a local domin how is it possible to go out as a custum email |
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| 06:40.41 | sixyearsofdreams | its ok what it is, the whole thing begin me as a learning curve i set it up a while ago |
| 06:40.48 | sixyearsofdreams | so it thinks it a real domain ok |
| 06:40.53 | sixyearsofdreams | im going to buy a domain name soon |
| 06:41.00 | sixyearsofdreams | is it possible to have more than one ? |
| 06:41.04 | sixyearsofdreams | per webserver |
| 06:41.17 | wols_ | yes |
| 06:41.40 | sixyearsofdreams | well |
| 06:41.42 | sixyearsofdreams | i installed dovecot |
| 06:41.50 | sixyearsofdreams | and im in squierl web interface atm |
| 06:41.50 | netanel | hey all, if i want to create custom debian based distro, whats the "best" way to do it? i google it and i found a-lot of suggestions to create a live-cd based on debain, but not a real image. |
| 06:41.57 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: ok thats cool |
| 06:42.03 | sixyearsofdreams | this is pretty cool |
| 06:42.20 | sixyearsofdreams | so any user i creat on my machine will be able to access this web interface |
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| 06:42.26 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: dovecot is good |
| 06:42.47 | wols_ | netanel: do you want a live cd or a installer cd? |
| 06:42.48 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: as a general rule, yes. it depends on how you setup the auth |
| 06:43.21 | sixyearsofdreams | civillian: ok |
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| 06:43.28 | civillian | sixyearsofdreams: by default it should consult the local users repository |
| 06:43.37 | sixyearsofdreams | testing if squirrel will send out now through interface |
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| 06:43.45 | sixyearsofdreams | civillian: ok |
| 06:43.50 | sixyearsofdreams | yap i got mail |
| 06:43.50 | netanel | not live cd , and not an installer. my ultimate target is to get a list of packages & versions of them that i want and then to make a img that will be include all of them + configiration on my own. when a new server will arrive i'll just "install" that image or "load" it to him, and thats it. |
| 06:43.51 | sixyearsofdreams | its sending out |
| 06:44.01 | netanel | (maybe an installer is the best way for that, I'm not sure) |
| 06:44.02 | sixyearsofdreams | pretty cool! :D but can i recieve now aswell? |
| 06:44.06 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: dovecot/IMAP/POP don't do sending, only mailbox access |
| 06:44.10 | Kromgol | So, i had a problem with GRUB not booting, i solved it through changing the priority of the harddrive in BIOS, but does this mean that GRUB will not boot up if another HDD has a higher priority at boot time? |
| 06:44.26 | wols_ | netanel: that is a installer. and what you want is preseed or fai |
| 06:44.45 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: is it possible to send at all ? |
| 06:44.47 | wols_ | netanel: ask dpkg for custom cd, fai and preseed |
| 06:45.10 | netanel | wols_, thanks a lot. |
| 06:45.13 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: everything uses SMTP to send |
| 06:45.21 | netanel | i really try to google it, it seems like the all world want to create live-cd based debian ;) |
| 06:45.30 | netanel | -or ubuntu for god sake- |
| 06:45.32 | Arroyo1010 | i need someone for lestt then 120 seconds on private chat, any takers? |
| 06:45.36 | Arroyo1010 | less* |
| 06:45.37 | netanel | god's |
| 06:45.39 | wols_ | Kromgol: no, it means your BIOS always boots from whatever you set in BIOS. and if you set a hdd to boot first in BIOS that doesn't have grub, grub can't boot obviously |
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| 06:46.04 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: im meaning recieve not send |
| 06:46.06 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: SMTP is used whenever email is travelling to an address. IMAP/POP are used to access mailboxes. |
| 06:46.17 | Kromgol | wols_: Mkay |
| 06:46.18 | Kromgol | Thanks |
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| 06:47.50 | sixyearsofdreams | can i install my own smtp? |
| 06:48.02 | wols_ | you already did. you installed sendmail |
| 06:48.07 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: this is why it seems like there are 2 steps in "receiving". First step is SMTP: delivery of mail to the addressed mailbox. Then you look in your mailbox. |
| 06:48.12 | sixyearsofdreams | >.< |
| 06:48.19 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: yes, sendmail is an MTA, they talk SMTP |
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| 06:49.02 | sixyearsofdreams | ok but then i should be able to recieve or no |
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| 06:49.31 | JustSighDudes | Is debian testing more or less up go date than ubuntu? |
| 06:49.35 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: you can, but not from the outside internet until you get a real domain and set up MX records |
| 06:49.38 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: yes, if you configure your sendmail to deliver to whatever mailstorage typ dovecot uses. probably maildir |
| 06:50.06 | wols_ | JustSighDudes: usually more uptodate until testing is frozen |
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| 06:51.18 | JustSighDudes | Are does one have significantly more packages than the other? |
| 06:51.28 | JustSighDudes | And* |
| 06:51.39 | JustSighDudes | Not significantly. But how would they compare. |
| 06:51.41 | wols_ | debian has approx 30000 packages right now I think. no clue how many ubuntu has |
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| 06:52.07 | JustSighDudes | Good question. |
| 06:52.11 | sixyearsofdreams | gota buy domain name |
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| 06:52.33 | sixyearsofdreams | how does one host domain names |
| 06:52.37 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: not necessarily. and you only want a domain name if you have a real static IP |
| 06:52.52 | jsoft | Managed to sneak in debian at work today :) |
| 06:52.58 | sixyearsofdreams | yeah im going to reposition my server onto a bussines internet |
| 06:53.24 | sixyearsofdreams | lol soft :D |
| 06:53.45 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: if you want to play with receiving, I suggest dyndns.org. They let you create a subdomain on one of their domains and define an MX pointing to an IP of your choice |
| 06:53.47 | jsoft | sixyearsofdreams: 'host' domain names? |
| 06:53.59 | jsoft | sixyearsofdreams: pretty much tell the registra your static ip of your nameserver. |
| 06:54.06 | Dewi | jsoft: not true |
| 06:54.10 | JustSighDudes | Around 30k as well. |
| 06:54.20 | Dewi | jsoft: you need a registrar and hosts |
| 06:54.23 | Dewi | -s |
| 06:54.27 | jsoft | Dewi: wtf? |
| 06:54.29 | JustSighDudes | wols_: ^, fyi. |
| 06:54.50 | Dewi | jsoft: my registrar is not my host |
| 06:54.54 | jsoft | Dewi: so? |
| 06:55.04 | JustSighDudes | Why is GoDaddy so popular? |
| 06:55.12 | sixyearsofdreams | jsoft: registra? who is that, thats all it takes to host domain names? i think we are talking about two differant things |
| 06:55.27 | simonlnu | 'different' |
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| 06:55.30 | jsoft | sixyearsofdreams: a company who registers your domain with the root name severs. |
| 06:55.32 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: ive messed with dyndns.org a long time ago it was good. i should do that |
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| 06:55.41 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: how exactly do i implant this into my server then |
| 06:55.46 | Dewi | jsoft: sorry I didn't see where you said "of your nameserver". That would be the hosting part. |
| 06:56.07 | jsoft | Dewi: was wondering wtf you were on about :P |
| 06:56.10 | sixyearsofdreams | jsoft: why buy a domain name, why not i just host one ? |
| 06:56.18 | jsoft | sixyearsofdreams: host it then |
| 06:56.27 | sixyearsofdreams | really i can? |
| 06:56.47 | sixyearsofdreams | lol sorry :) just didnt think it was that simple, by just having static ip |
| 06:56.50 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: you can do whatever you like, but the rest of the internet needs 2 things in order to see you |
| 06:57.00 | jsoft | sixyearsofdreams: + a name sever (eg, bind, etc) |
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| 06:57.26 | simonlnu | apt-cache search nameserver ;p |
| 06:57.27 | jsoft | sixyearsofdreams: and a registrar, eg, godaddy or one of the million others. |
| 06:57.37 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: 1) a proper DNS registrar needs to hold the name for you, and associate it with a static nameserver IP |
| 06:57.41 | Dewi | (2) |
| 06:57.45 | jsoft | profit. |
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| 06:58.35 | Dewi | sixyearsofdreams: more and more registrars provide a free nameserver, but you can host it if you have a static IP |
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| 06:58.42 | oscurochu | is there a GUI for installing deb files? |
| 06:58.55 | Arroyo1010 | guys, i have just installed a base debian system, and i'm running into strange dependencies problems http://pastebin.com/YnmBMM8e |
| 06:58.56 | simonlnu | yes, but why? |
| 06:58.56 | Dewi | oscurochu: synaptic is probably the most common |
| 06:59.03 | simonlnu | gdebi |
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| 06:59.28 | oscurochu | why not... |
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| 06:59.43 | oscurochu | makes life a whole lot easier if you hardly ever install them, and then one day, oh shit, how do i isntall a deb??? |
| 06:59.47 | wols_ | !tell Arroyo1010 about bat |
| 06:59.50 | sixyearsofdreams | Dewi: yeah static ip wouldnt be an issue at all |
| 07:00.09 | Dewi | Arroyo1010: apt-get update? |
| 07:00.37 | simonlnu | oscurochu: man dpkg |
| 07:00.40 | oscurochu | thanks |
| 07:00.43 | Arroyo1010 | wols_ thank you, i'm on it |
| 07:00.46 | Dewi | Arroyo1010: your bind9 dependencies are old |
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| 07:00.53 | Arroyo1010 | Dewi i have done apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 07:00.54 | X-Raimo | hello. I have big problem during network startup: lockfile creation failed exceeded maximum number of lock attempts |
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| 07:01.11 | wols_ | X-Raimo: lockfile for what? |
| 07:01.50 | Dewi | Arroyo1010: that error is telling you your bind9 is older than the libs it needs, you need to upgrade bind9 to use it with those libs |
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| 07:02.38 | Arroyo1010 | ok i just need to get back to wols first, i will be right back |
| 07:02.45 | X-Raimo | wols_: I dunno. I have a lot of aliases for eth1. From eth1:1 to eth1:254. After reboot setting network interfaces was failed with this error |
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| 07:04.15 | Arroyo1010 | wols_ : apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/125056/ |
| 07:05.04 | Arroyo1010 | Dewi: i had already had similar errors with apache2 /php5. I have uninstalled all php5 packages, then just installed phpmyadmin (whose installation was giving similar errors). By doing that, i got the correct dependancies |
| 07:05.13 | JustSighDudes | I still don't get debian's stable policy. So packages are frozen from release to release unless for security updates? |
| 07:06.36 | Arroyo1010 | dewi: i did not construct my last sentence correctly :). 1. i have tried installing phpmyadmin - it gave similar errors, 2. i have uninstalled php packages which were mentioned in the errors, 3. i have installed phpmyadmin, whose installation pulled the correct dependencies |
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| 07:07.03 | wols_ | !tell Arroyo1010 about security |
| 07:07.44 | simonlnu | JustSighDudes: no, only when a release is being prepared are any packages frozen |
| 07:07.49 | Arroyo1010 | Dewi, wols_ : yes, it seems that this mirror is bad :( |
| 07:07.53 | Arroyo1010 | thank you, i'm on it |
| 07:07.59 | sixyearsofdreams | so can i confirm this please, im not sure how i will do it but ill learn, its possible to host domain names, but a static ip is needed ? |
| 07:08.17 | simonlnu | preferably yes |
| 07:08.39 | simonlnu | otherwise you need to periodically update the ip, but there's issues with that |
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| 07:09.04 | sixyearsofdreams | unique IP address |
| 07:09.11 | wols_ | simonlnu: no a static IP is not needed. but I doN't get how this is a debian support question. ask #networking |
| 07:09.13 | sixyearsofdreams | meaning static ip |
| 07:09.15 | sixyearsofdreams | right? |
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| 07:09.26 | wols_ | no wrong. and see your OT-ness |
| 07:09.34 | simonlnu | wols_: uh, that is what i said |
| 07:09.55 | wols_ | simonlnu: sorry. you and this guy who has no debian support problem begin with ehe same letters "si" |
| 07:09.58 | Arroyo1010 | wols_ Dewi , thank you : you rock! |
| 07:10.07 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: do you have a debian support problem? |
| 07:10.09 | simonlnu | wols_: oh, hehe, np |
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| 07:12.52 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: http://www.aboutdebian.com/dns.htm im reading |
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| 07:12.55 | sixyearsofdreams | lol |
| 07:13.03 | sixyearsofdreams | sorry if im pain in the butt :D |
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| 07:13.27 | fgeek | does this mean that mailscanner is going to removed from stable as well (after few releases)? http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mailscanner/news/20110228T163915Z.html http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mailscanner.html |
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| 07:13.53 | simonlnu | if no one decides to maintain it |
| 07:14.00 | lamah | why i can't find eclipse in debian update servers? |
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| 07:14.33 | wols_ | !tell lamah about eclipse |
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| 07:15.20 | simonlnu | 3.6.x and 3.5 show up in my cache |
| 07:15.33 | simonlnu | 3.5.x* |
| 07:15.46 | lamah | wols_: see on my server - debian based machine with the same sources.list i found the eclipse package from apt-get with SAME IP on my laptop with the same sources.list i can't find Eclipse ?!?!? why i can't understand ? |
| 07:15.55 | fgeek | simonlnu, is there a page describing what is needed to maintain a package? |
| 07:16.00 | simonlnu | it's been orphaned though... which means you're on your own |
| 07:16.04 | fgeek | we really do need that package in our server |
| 07:16.07 | simonlnu | yes |
| 07:16.09 | simonlnu | !nmg |
| 07:16.09 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 07:16.13 | simonlnu | several ;) |
| 07:16.16 | fgeek | thanks |
| 07:16.17 | fgeek | :) |
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| 07:17.12 | simonlnu | that's funny, 'cause i just installed 3.7 here today |
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| 07:17.52 | simonlnu | (re-installed; i removed 3.6 at one point. this hdd used to be on an older box) |
| 07:18.12 | lamah | wols_: can u help |
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| 07:21.04 | wols_ | lamah: there is no eclipse in any current debian repo. the end. dpkg didn't lie to you... |
| 07:21.25 | lamah | wols_: but my server are debian 6.0.2 based my laptop also ? |
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| 07:21.51 | wols_ | lamah: have you read the dpkg factoid? |
| 07:21.54 | lamah | wols_: the same OS versions, on server i found eclipse with apt-get on my laptop i can't very strange |
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| 07:22.16 | wols_ | and what does apt-cache policy say about that? |
| 07:22.41 | wols_ | lamah: which repo hold eclipse in your estimation? |
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| 07:23.48 | lamah | wols_: apt-cache search eclipse shows nothing here but there it found eclipse 3.5.2 i have installed this package |
| 07:24.05 | lamah | wols_: sources.list are the same |
| 07:27.50 | lamah | what should be that i don't know |
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| 07:33.20 | wols_ | lamah: I asked you for some information, you don't want to give that information which is your choice. but we cannout help you without it. good day |
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| 07:34.02 | Night-hacks | would someone help plzzz !! |
| 07:34.23 | Night-hacks | my system is becoming a real Asshole ! |
| 07:34.33 | Night-hacks | my ram becomes full ! |
| 07:34.45 | wols_ | Night-hacks: we do not support ubuntu here |
| 07:34.50 | simonlnu | !free ram |
| 07:34.50 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 07:35.07 | Night-hacks | wols_: i think it's not Ubuntu problem |
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| 07:35.28 | Night-hacks | there must be something in kernel or ... |
| 07:35.35 | wols_ | Night-hacks: you run ubuntu, you ask #ubuntu. good day |
| 07:35.50 | wols_ | or possibly ##linux, but not here |
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| 07:37.31 | simonlnu | Night-hacks: no, user problem. read what dpkg (the bot) said |
| 07:37.45 | Night-hacks | ok thanks for helps |
| 07:38.49 | Kromgol | Let's say i've made a backup of / in LVM, and then my HDD crashes, can i reinstall Debian and then apply the backup to root to get everything back? |
| 07:39.00 | Kromgol | If i've saved it |
| 07:39.58 | simonlnu | that's what backups are for |
| 07:40.18 | Kromgol | Just asked, tbh, i haven ever needed or done a backup before :D |
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| 07:50.45 | flores | hi folks, I have a problem here with a dynamic load of a shared library installed in /usr/local/lib. The build system of the package uses autotools, so I would expect the -rpath option to do the job, but I do not know exactly how to fix this, do I need to pass extra flags to configure to have the executable correctly linked? |
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| 07:57.32 | Slydder | hey all. I am looking for an ARM alternative to gluster. basically where I can mirror a directory over the network. any ideas? |
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| 07:59.04 | catsup | Slydder: maybe nbd or nfs with caching or coda would serve your needs |
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| 08:04.42 | cnz | I just installed debian 7 test it just finished and rebooted now I get grub loading, please wait then gett Error 15 |
| 08:04.51 | jsoft | top |
| 08:04.54 | jsoft | erm |
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| 08:07.59 | wols_ | cnz: there is no debian 7, there is debian 6 squeeze tho |
| 08:08.34 | wols_ | cnz: does the grub menu where you can choose what to boot show? |
| 08:08.51 | cnz | wols it's debian test |
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| 08:09.06 | cnz | which is debian 7 in hte test stage |
| 08:09.23 | cnz | wols_ and no it doesn't allow me to choose anything |
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| 08:09.47 | wols_ | you need to boot from cd again, rescue boot and reinstall grub |
| 08:09.58 | cnz | why do distros use grub |
| 08:10.02 | cnz | it's such a pos bootloader |
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| 08:10.58 | Bushmills | flores: as in, a program can't find the libs which you have installed on /usr/local/... ? |
| 08:11.02 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: pretty much to host your own domain you i would need to configure bind and have a static ip, do i still need to register anywhere? |
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| 08:11.51 | cnz | sixyearsofdreams, if you have like cable internet with dhcp address, you could get away with it because it hardly ever changes |
| 08:12.07 | sixyearsofdreams | cnz: bussiness cable |
| 08:12.17 | sixyearsofdreams | cnz: im going to place my box at work |
| 08:12.23 | cnz | you should have a static ip with already right? |
| 08:12.33 | sixyearsofdreams | yes |
| 08:13.09 | cnz | all you need is apache/php and mysql if you're going to have databases |
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| 08:13.14 | cnz | bind is only for dns control |
| 08:13.15 | sixyearsofdreams | with this bind i would be able to make my own domain without purchasing somewhere, correct? |
| 08:13.18 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: you don't need bind but you need to register a domain |
| 08:13.20 | sixyearsofdreams | ive got it all running |
| 08:13.25 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: no |
| 08:13.28 | cnz | which you can go to your domain registar and just point the domain to your static i p |
| 08:13.40 | sixyearsofdreams | right i knew of that |
| 08:13.48 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: if you don't buy a domain, then no one on the internet can find "sixyearsofdreams.com" |
| 08:13.50 | sixyearsofdreams | but how do i make my own bloody domain like godaddy :) |
| 08:13.58 | sixyearsofdreams | how do i start making them without purchasing these suckers |
| 08:13.59 | Bushmills | sixyearsofdreams: theoretically, yes. but others won't be able to resolve hosts in your own domain then |
| 08:14.18 | beardy | sixyearsofdreams: You become a registrar. |
| 08:14.19 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: you cannot. at least not if you want other people to be able to connect to your domain |
| 08:14.20 | Bushmills | "others" as in, people who aren't using your name server or name server network |
| 08:14.49 | Bushmills | for using it in your own LAN, that's perfectly fine though |
| 08:14.55 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: you can run your own dns server easily. bind is not even needed, but then no one except yourself will use these names |
| 08:14.59 | cnz | wols_ ok Im at a command prompt in rescue mode |
| 08:15.02 | cnz | what do I do from here |
| 08:15.13 | cnz | or do you know of a wiki that has instructions? |
| 08:15.17 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: yeah i was wondering about public not local |
| 08:15.26 | wols_ | cnz: fdisk -l and check which partition has your linux installation. how many disks you have |
| 08:15.33 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_:he said become a registrar, and whats the process of becoming one |
| 08:15.42 | cnz | wols_ sda and sdb which is the external |
| 08:15.50 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: then there is no real way except paying godaddy a yearly fee (which in turn pays it to network solutions or whoever) |
| 08:15.57 | wols_ | cnz: where is debian installed? |
| 08:16.11 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: yeah im most likely going to just buy a domain name |
| 08:16.17 | beardy | sixyearsofdreams: Not sure what you want exactly, but, you only need one domain, have it be delegated to your own DNS server(s), and set up subdomains all you want. |
| 08:16.19 | cnz | should be on sda1 |
| 08:16.23 | cnz | sda1 is / |
| 08:16.26 | cnz | sda2 is /home |
| 08:16.28 | cnz | sda 3 swap |
| 08:16.36 | cnz | weird no fdisk command |
| 08:16.40 | wols_ | !fixmbr |
| 08:16.40 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 08:16.53 | wols_ | cnz: mount /dev/sda1 then |
| 08:17.03 | sixyearsofdreams | beardy: i wanted to know if its possible to create your own domain name without going to big guys to register one |
| 08:17.08 | wols_ | cnz: as this factoid here shows |
| 08:17.11 | sixyearsofdreams | beardy: kinda like hosting your own web server |
| 08:18.40 | cnz | thanks wols_ trying that nwo |
| 08:18.46 | wols_ | cnz: the "grub-install" part should be "grub-install /dev/sda" for you |
| 08:18.47 | beardy | sixyearsofdreams: Yes, like I said above.. but DNS is hierarchical, you have to cooperate with others, at any level. Registrars register domains with bigger registrars, or with the TLD controller itself, controlling the whole .com, .org, or any other TLD. |
| 08:19.01 | cnz | wols_ k, thanks, trying that now |
| 08:19.08 | Bushmills | sixyearsofdreams: nobody prevents you from starting your own root server network. |
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| 08:19.20 | Bushmills | the trick is to get people to use it |
| 08:19.31 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: several people already did that btw. none is actually usable for the greater public :) |
| 08:19.37 | sixyearsofdreams | Bushmills: oh so i would have to start it all from begining like sixyearsofdreams.six ? cant be .com |
| 08:19.49 | Bushmills | you'd start with . |
| 08:19.58 | Bushmills | there you delegate to .com |
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| 08:20.04 | wols_ | Bushmills: stop confuse him. |
| 08:20.12 | Bushmills | i don't |
| 08:20.20 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: what Bushmills tells you is doable but not practical for you |
| 08:20.26 | Bushmills | at least, not intentionally |
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| 08:20.36 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: ok for now i will completely ignore of making my own domain hah |
| 08:20.48 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: however i do have couple more simple questions if you arent too busy |
| 08:20.59 | sixyearsofdreams | on how the mail will work when i purchase a domain name |
| 08:21.23 | sixyearsofdreams | or how it would work if i had multiple domains |
| 08:21.31 | wols_ | just ask the whole channel. and I never used sendmail |
| 08:21.56 | Bushmills | on the level of DNS? or on the level of setting up a mail server? |
| 08:22.07 | beardy | bets on DNS |
| 08:22.16 | sixyearsofdreams | mail server |
| 08:22.17 | cnz | wols_ can't mount /dev/sda1 |
| 08:22.25 | beardy | !lose me |
| 08:22.26 | dpkg | beardy: You Lose. |
| 08:22.28 | andref | hi |
| 08:22.30 | cnz | mounting /dev/sda1 on /target failed: no such file or directory |
| 08:23.04 | sixyearsofdreams | lol |
| 08:23.10 | beardy | cnz: 'ls -ls /dev/sda1' ? |
| 08:23.17 | beardy | -la |
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| 08:23.47 | Bushmills | sixyearsofdreams: you install it, then you configure it |
| 08:24.07 | cnz | beardy gives me brw-rw-rw- 1 root root 8, 1 aug 4 08:20 /dev/sda1 |
| 08:24.09 | Bushmills | you usually want a static ip address for a mail server |
| 08:24.09 | cnz | that was the output |
| 08:24.19 | andref | hi a package called: python-wxgtk2.8-ansi-dbg has dependencies unresolved |
| 08:24.31 | sixyearsofdreams | another little issue im having is when i want to edit my wordpress, when its setup on public ip, i cant fully access the press localy with 192.168.0.11 i have to go inside db (phpmyadmin) and edit paths to local, is there anything i can do about this, so i can see public webiste localy |
| 08:24.31 | andref | some packages are missing |
| 08:24.41 | beardy | cnz: Ok. Then /target doesn't exist. |
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| 08:25.02 | sixyearsofdreams | Bushmills: mail server is running right now just how would i implant that domain name i purchase |
| 08:25.11 | sixyearsofdreams | Bushmills: or into the whole server |
| 08:25.18 | Bushmills | sixyearsofdreams: set it up such that you can access it from LAN, or use a remote web proxy |
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| 08:25.33 | andref | hmm... |
| 08:25.34 | cnz | beardy oh ok so I can just mkdir -p /target |
| 08:25.41 | sixyearsofdreams | yeah ive been using anonymouse surfing but thats limited |
| 08:25.50 | Bushmills | sixyearsofdreams: re mail server. specify name of mail server as MX record in the zone file |
| 08:25.58 | sixyearsofdreams | Bushmills: yeah but im unsure how to set it up so i can access it via lan |
| 08:26.17 | beardy | cnz: Yep, it has to exist before you can mount things on it. |
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| 08:26.22 | fgeek | submitting bugs via email is bit slow :) |
| 08:26.25 | sixyearsofdreams | Bushmills: zone file? |
| 08:26.28 | andref | hi a package called: python-wxgtk2.8-ansi-dbg has dependencies unresolved, some packages are missing: python-wxgtk2.8-ansi, python-dbg !!! |
| 08:26.49 | andref | any idea what to do? |
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| 08:26.58 | Bushmills | sixyearsofdreams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_file |
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| 08:27.28 | cnz | beardy even making a target dirc |
| 08:27.29 | cnz | still doesn't work |
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| 08:28.03 | beardy | cnz: Please show the whole output, your command and the error. If more than two lines, please use a pastebin. |
| 08:28.23 | cnz | beardy uumm how can I do that, it's on another computer |
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| 08:29.16 | beardy | cnz: Doublecheck, use TAB-completion and make sure you have no typing mistakes. |
| 08:29.34 | cnz | beardy I did, did it 3x |
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| 08:30.16 | andref | should I raise a bug? |
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| 08:35.18 | wols_ | cnz: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 08:35.35 | cnz | same error message |
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| 08:35.50 | cnz | failed: no such file or directory |
| 08:36.03 | wols_ | ls -al /dev/sda1 ls -al /mnt |
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| 08:36.07 | wols_ | both show? |
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| 08:36.34 | cnz | yes |
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| 08:37.09 | lamah | how can i run full-upgrade |
| 08:37.34 | wols_ | lamah: what for? |
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| 08:37.48 | lamah | i have run it |
| 08:37.49 | andref | "Debian Bug report logs: Bugs in package python-wxgtk2.8-ansi-dbg" |
| 08:38.00 | andref | lol |
| 08:38.45 | andref | "this package no longer exists (or never existed)" |
| 08:39.05 | cnz | wols_ if I do mount -t /dev/sda1 /target it says can't find /target/ in /etc/fstab |
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| 08:39.17 | cnz | could that be why the mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target isn't working? |
| 08:39.34 | wols_ | cnz: are you root? |
| 08:39.39 | cnz | yes |
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| 08:40.04 | cnz | the shell prompt is ~ # |
| 08:40.28 | wols_ | dmesg|grep sda |
| 08:40.35 | cnz | I booted off the install cd like you said went to advance, then choose rescue |
| 08:40.42 | cnz | then when that came up I choose to excute shell |
| 08:40.58 | andref | :> |
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| 08:41.27 | andref | is it possible to report a bug in bug report? :> |
| 08:41.35 | cnz | wols_ I can't put the output in patebin do to it being on another computer, what info do you want to know if it outputted? |
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| 08:43.36 | andref | ok, I've done what I wanted, I had third-party packages |
| 08:43.48 | andref | uninstalled them :> |
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| 08:48.09 | cnz | wols_, im just downloading a live debian cd and going to use that |
| 08:48.25 | cnz | might be easier than screwing with this thing finding out why it wont' mount |
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| 08:50.44 | wols_ | cnz: use the debian 6 squeeze installer and upgrade frm that to testing |
| 08:50.49 | wols_ | it's the recommended way anyways |
| 08:50.58 | wols_ | netinst should be enough |
| 08:51.09 | cnz | I have that |
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| 08:51.23 | cnz | it doesn't install all the packages that come with test though |
| 08:51.51 | wols_ | it does |
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| 08:52.25 | wols_ | you install via squeeze installer, then immediately upgrade it to testing. that will be the exact same files you'd have if you started out with testing from CD in the firet place |
| 08:52.40 | cnz | oh ok |
| 08:52.48 | cnz | how do I upgrade it to testing after installing squeeze |
| 08:53.06 | wols_ | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 08:53.33 | Arroyo1010 | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 08:53.41 | Arroyo1010 | :( |
| 08:53.45 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 08:53.45 | dpkg | Following a release, testing tends to be more of a developer's playground and a <moving target>. If you have to ask how to do this, ask yourself if you know enough about Debian packaging to run a non-stable release yet. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>. |
| 08:53.45 | wols_ | you replace the entries for "squeeze" in sources.list to "wheezy" and dist-upgrade. done |
| 08:53.54 | wols_ | dpkg: lazy git! |
| 08:53.54 | dpkg | wols_: i haven't a clue |
| 08:54.01 | Arroyo1010 | :D |
| 08:54.15 | babilen | wols_, Arroyo1010: ! does not work with -> (no idea why) |
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| 08:55.26 | cnz | I hate net installs :( |
| 08:55.30 | cnz | takes an hour |
| 08:56.09 | babilen | cnz: You need a faster downlink - and just install a minimal system (i.e. no desktop for example) |
| 08:56.11 | wols_ | don't select anything at the end of the installation. no "standard" or "desktop environment" or so |
| 08:56.29 | wols_ | just end it and upgrade to testing. THEN install these things either via apt-get directly or via "tasksel" again |
| 08:57.00 | babilen | I would still recommend to install standard packages, but that can be achieved with "aptitude install ~pstandard" after the initial installation as well. |
| 08:57.08 | cnz | babilen, yeah my connection is only 3Mbit |
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| 08:57.49 | babilen | Or tasksel -- yay for tasksel. /me gets more coffee |
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| 09:03.34 | jsoft | Whats a video / voip / IM type app available in debian? |
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| 09:04.13 | babilen | jsoft: ekiga, empathy, pidgin, linphone and skype come to mind. |
| 09:04.42 | babilen | jsoft: skype is not in Debian though. |
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| 09:05.25 | sixyearsofdreams | whats the news on ms buying skype |
| 09:07.07 | babilen | sixyearsofdreams: No idea and that is certainly a topic to be discussed in #debian-offtopic, #defocus or elsewhere :) |
| 09:07.15 | sixyearsofdreams | ;p |
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| 09:16.58 | Aldus | Hi. I upgraded to squeeze and my mysql is not working anymore. I have this error: "110804 9:13:38 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. |
| 09:16.58 | Aldus | " but if i run: mysql_upgrade it says: mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
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| 09:32.58 | fgeek | can I download multiple source packages easily? let's say I want everything which has name *python* |
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| 09:33.05 | cnz | Aldus looks like you used the wrong password |
| 09:33.12 | fgeek | or for example all packages from some Debian branch |
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| 09:43.01 | aidalgol | Is the Debian Way⢠of building your own custom kernel kernel-package, or is there a new way? |
| 09:43.09 | cnz | wols_ you still arond? |
| 09:43.19 | aidalgol | I know module-assistant is deprecated in favour of DKMS... |
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| 09:43.28 | wols_ | cnz: yes |
| 09:43.32 | cnz | no go |
| 09:43.40 | cnz | I just ran the 6.0 install |
| 09:43.44 | cnz | base no extras |
| 09:43.46 | wols_ | aidalgol: it's still kernel-package |
| 09:43.47 | cnz | and it won't boot |
| 09:43.59 | cnz | error" cannot read the linux header |
| 09:44.10 | cnz | then loading initial ramdisk error: you need to load the kernel first |
| 09:44.26 | cnz | then press any key to continue |
| 09:45.05 | wols_ | rescue boot the same? |
| 09:45.34 | wols_ | you could check if the kernel file on disk is there. or it might be corrupted |
| 09:45.48 | cnz | how do I do that |
| 09:46.00 | cnz | if I can't even boot the system or mount the partitions |
| 09:46.40 | cnz | it looks like it's setting the wrong uuid |
| 09:47.15 | simonlnu | try via setting a direct device file, e.g. /dev/sda2 instead of an uuid |
| 09:47.38 | cnz | yeah I just did |
| 09:47.42 | cnz | same thing |
| 09:48.06 | simonlnu | is that the only bootable drive on it? |
| 09:48.29 | simonlnu | nm that, just drive, bootable or not |
| 09:48.30 | cnz | yes |
| 09:48.37 | cnz | no |
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| 09:48.43 | cnz | I have a usb connected |
| 09:49.11 | cnz | weird under insmod ext it says this |
| 09:49.23 | cnz | set root='(hd0,msdos10' |
| 09:49.29 | cnz | set root='(hd0,msdos10') |
| 09:49.40 | simonlnu | that's ok |
| 09:49.59 | cnz | ok the boot line says |
| 09:50.06 | simonlnu | oh wait. is it the 10th one? sda10 ? |
| 09:50.19 | cnz | linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 |
| 09:50.39 | simonlnu | change msdos10 to msdos1 |
| 09:50.46 | cnz | it is msdos1 |
| 09:50.51 | cnz | I made a typo |
| 09:50.52 | cnz | lol |
| 09:51.14 | simonlnu | oh, ok. try not making typos ;). |
| 09:51.24 | cnz | yeah sorry :/ |
| 09:51.35 | simonlnu | :) |
| 09:52.18 | cnz | why did fedora have to say I have bad sectors :( |
| 09:52.22 | simonlnu | on that linux line, you can tab right after the image name, to see if grub sees it |
| 09:52.48 | simonlnu | (yes, it has tab completion ;) |
| 09:53.10 | cnz | k will try that now |
| 09:53.27 | simonlnu | hmm, persoanlly, i think wols_ might be right about it being corrupted somehow |
| 09:53.34 | simonlnu | *sona* |
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| 09:54.15 | simonlnu | would happen if it has bad sectors |
| 09:54.27 | simonlnu | could happen |
| 09:54.46 | cnz | I just need it to last until my replacement gets here |
| 09:54.55 | cnz | or get it working on the usb external |
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| 09:55.59 | simonlnu | you could try reinstalling the kernel, once you boot to rescue mode. might work then |
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| 09:56.07 | cnz | simonlnu, I erased the whole line then did linux /boot/(tab) and it auto put in the vmlinuz etc |
| 09:56.16 | simonlnu | ok |
| 09:56.23 | simonlnu | so it's seen |
| 09:56.28 | cnz | I tried rescue mode before |
| 09:56.34 | cnz | can't get anything mounted |
| 09:56.38 | simonlnu | (which implies it's there ;) |
| 09:56.45 | simonlnu | hmm |
| 09:57.20 | cnz | I will boot back to resque mode |
| 09:57.29 | simonlnu | can you boot the usb and mount it there, then chroot to the system drive? |
| 09:58.02 | cnz | I would ahve to install on the usb |
| 09:58.15 | simonlnu | i gotta sleep. good luck with that. ok. |
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| 09:58.25 | cnz | thanks |
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| 10:10.28 | chenthu | can some one help me install a new downloaded login screen for gnome.... i have been trying from yesterday and i am not able to find the local tab in >administration> login screen |
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| 10:15.09 | devil_ | chenthu: what exactly do you want to install? |
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| 10:17.04 | chenthu | devil_: i got disconnected |
| 10:17.38 | chenthu | devil_: i am trying to install a login screen |
| 10:17.46 | devil_ | chenthu: what exactly do you want to install? |
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| 10:18.02 | chenthu | devil_: login screen theme |
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| 10:28.59 | cnz | wow facebook is banned in germany |
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| 10:29.37 | blackshirt | hello, anyone here use apt-cacher-ng ?? |
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| 10:31.00 | babilen | blackshirt: I would be surprised if not, so: Yes -- You might want to ask your real question though. |
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| 10:32.44 | blackshirt | babilen: thanks... i have setup apt-cacher-ng on debian, but when doing some operation, that says "Not Authorized. To start this action, an administrator password must be set and you must be logged in." how we setup user and password for auth ?? |
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| 10:34.02 | babilen | Please note that I do not use apt-cacher-ng, but you might want to provide additional information. Do you get this error on the client or server side? Which command results in this error? ... |
| 10:34.50 | blackshirt | babilen: i have try this on server with web interface, i have gui installed |
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| 10:35.21 | blackshirt | babilen: import operation works normally |
| 10:35.28 | blackshirt | :d |
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| 10:40.13 | babilen | "this" ? But I have to pass on this one as the apt-cacher-ng manual is just massive and I won't be able to troubleshoot this in a reasonable amount of time. |
| 10:41.59 | blackshirt | babilen: thanks for your amount of time :d |
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| 10:46.45 | sajjadG | hi, my mouse stops working!!! i don't know why but after i logging to Gnome or KDE and run some program it stop focusing n programs and panels and after i use keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+Alt+D for minimizing all windows or Alt+F1 mouse start working for seconds and then stops working again :( any idea? i |
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| 10:47.54 | fleischergesell2 | Hey, is there an equivalent go GNUs parallel on debian? |
| 10:48.15 | ansgar | fleischergesell2: What does it do? |
| 10:48.45 | fleischergesell2 | ansgar: http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ |
| 10:49.12 | fleischergesell2 | It can be used to parallize processes that are heavily cpu-bound like converting images |
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| 10:50.10 | ansgar | fleischergesell2: xargs, as long as you don't want to execute jobs on different computers. |
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| 11:27.32 | cnz | dpkg squeeze>wheezy |
| 11:27.32 | dpkg | cnz: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 11:27.41 | cnz | lol |
| 11:27.48 | cnz | dpkg; squeeze>wheezy |
| 11:27.48 | dpkg | cnz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 11:27.52 | cnz | dpkg; squeeze>wheezy? |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | cnz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 11:28.03 | cnz | dpkg: squeeze>wheezy? |
| 11:28.04 | dpkg | cnz: are you using Windows? |
| 11:28.09 | Big_Brother | is there no longer a simple way to change the login theme ? |
| 11:28.12 | cnz | come on you stupid bot |
| 11:28.15 | Big_Brother | (debian 6) |
| 11:29.01 | cnz | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:29.01 | dpkg | Following a release, testing tends to be more of a developer's playground and a <moving target>. If you have to ask how to do this, ask yourself if you know enough about Debian packaging to run a non-stable release yet. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>. |
| 11:29.05 | fgeek | BINGO |
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| 11:32.13 | abrotman | or msg the bot ... |
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| 11:35.32 | ecksun | how would you go about protecting yourself against bitrot on harddrives when still using debian? |
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| 11:36.56 | colo-work | run regular md5sum/shawhateversum check on files in your FS |
| 11:37.41 | ecksun | hmm, that requires some scripting, but okay |
| 11:37.42 | jelly | ecksun: raid1 with scrubbing and backups |
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| 11:37.56 | ecksun | what do you think about zfs/btrfs ? |
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| 11:38.03 | ecksun | jelly, scrubbing? |
| 11:38.17 | jelly | ecksun: rechecking of parity/mirrors |
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| 11:38.36 | ecksun | hmm |
| 11:38.53 | ecksun | i was going to have a raid5, but i dont think that would do any diffrence |
| 11:38.58 | jelly | debian's mdadm package, I think, has it set up to run on a monthly basis by default |
| 11:39.06 | ecksun | so you mean scrubbing would have the same effect, just not as fast to detect stuff? |
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| 11:39.22 | jelly | the same effect as what? |
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| 11:39.58 | ecksun | as what zfs has |
| 11:40.19 | jelly | nope; zfs has a number of nice features |
| 11:40.20 | ecksun | What i would like to do is run zfs, but Im not to sure about the support in debian/kfreebsd |
| 11:40.29 | cnz | would it be safe to use my debian system while it's updating to wheezy? |
| 11:40.30 | ecksun | jelly, i was thinking about bit-rot only |
| 11:40.38 | cnz | or should i just leave it alone? |
| 11:41.21 | ecksun | jelly, what happens when you scrubb and find an checksum error with mdadm? |
| 11:41.32 | jelly | ecksun: I don't know whether zfs is safe to run on any debian arch; I also don't know how often it does its own scrubbing |
| 11:41.47 | ecksun | atleast every time a file is read |
| 11:42.26 | jelly | ecksun: replace the drive and rebuild the array |
| 11:42.52 | ecksun | that seems a bit unnescesary when the disk isnt broken |
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| 11:43.21 | strio | Hi, if I use ifconfig eth1 down, it does not remove its ip, what is the way to disable then? |
| 11:43.32 | jelly | ecksun: ok then, "verify the device is fine, add it back and rebuild the array" |
| 11:44.02 | jelly | ecksun: what does zfs do? |
| 11:44.16 | ecksun | jelly, fixes the problem automatically and continue operations |
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| 11:44.39 | ecksun | perhaps its hard to detect the difference between bit-rot and a bad drive |
| 11:44.40 | jelly | ecksun: how large a problem can it fix? |
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| 11:44.54 | ecksun | i guess that depends on what configuration you have |
| 11:45.09 | ecksun | but if you run raidz (raid5), anything less then the size of a harddrive |
| 11:45.27 | ecksun | but i think the big difference is that its a bit more manual work with mdadm |
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| 11:45.42 | pyon | hey |
| 11:45.47 | ecksun | however Im thinking it might be a good idea since i dont have to work with software that isnt that tested |
| 11:46.04 | abrotman | strio: is it actually down ? |
| 11:46.08 | ecksun | jelly, do you have any opinions on btrfs? |
| 11:46.13 | jelly | I'd probably use zfs if it were on Solaris and I had experience with it |
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| 11:46.19 | jelly | ecksun: it's too new |
| 11:46.32 | strio | abrotman: yes, but if I do ifconfig -a I see it with its ip, but maybe I can ignore it. |
| 11:46.33 | ecksun | yes, that was what i was thinking |
| 11:46.46 | ecksun | jelly, i dont want to use solaris, i want to use debian |
| 11:46.53 | ecksun | and in that case debian/kfreebsd would be it |
| 11:47.07 | abrotman | strio: it's still configured .. .just not working |
| 11:47.08 | ecksun | however I have no idea how say luks works with kfreebsd |
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| 11:47.09 | jelly | ecksun: I use whatever works for the purpose |
| 11:47.17 | ecksun | :D |
| 11:47.19 | abrotman | ecksun: kfreebsd in debian has native zfs support |
| 11:47.22 | strio | abrotman: and how can I desconfigure it? |
| 11:47.22 | pyon | ecksun: last i checked; kfreebsd had some serious issues with pppoe but it may not matter to you |
| 11:47.23 | jelly | if zfs is your best option, use it |
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| 11:47.39 | ecksun | pyon, no, pppoe issues doesnt matter |
| 11:47.49 | ecksun | abrotman, yes, but how about luks? |
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| 11:48.13 | abrotman | ecksun: picky picky .. i have no idea .. i'm jus tsaying it has zfs support :) |
| 11:48.15 | pyon | ecksun: oh, id love to know about luks too; its a real showstopper for ,e |
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| 11:48.24 | ecksun | pyon, my worries is that there are some other problems that might affect me, as Im guessing kfreebsd doesnt have the same user-base as normal squeeze |
| 11:48.30 | ecksun | abrotman, :) |
| 11:48.35 | pyon | ecksun: it sure doesnt |
| 11:48.35 | jelly | abrotman: would you trust your, or your customer's data to a zfs port to freebsd repackaged as Debian/kfreebsd |
| 11:48.56 | abrotman | jelly: as opposed to .. btrfs on the Linux kernel? |
| 11:49.05 | pyon | ecksun: i wanted kfreebsd for pf |
| 11:49.07 | jelly | abrotman: as opposed to not using that. |
| 11:49.09 | ecksun | pyon, Im guessing there might be the same compability issues with luks on bsd as there is with zfs on linux |
| 11:49.21 | abrotman | jelly: having not used it, i can't say .. but if i really wanted zfs, i'd probably go solaris |
| 11:49.24 | pyon | ecksun: so lack of pppoe is a big deal in my usecase |
| 11:49.27 | jelly | abrotman: exactly my point |
| 11:49.32 | ecksun | pyon, okay |
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| 11:50.05 | ecksun | anyther "problem" with zfs is that its maintained by sun (oracle?) |
| 11:50.07 | ecksun | alone |
| 11:50.41 | jelly | ecksun: yeah, so? If you use solaris proper it already means you have a support contract with them |
| 11:50.54 | ecksun | yes, indeed, but i dont want to use solaris :D |
| 11:50.57 | pyon | there was an interesting design comparision between btrfs n zfs by a zfs dev |
| 11:51.06 | pyon | and btrfs was said to have more sound a base |
| 11:51.13 | ecksun | i would love to read that, do you have a source pyon ? |
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| 11:51.36 | pyon | ecksun: if you can read french, check the article about linux kernel 3.0 on linuxfr.org |
| 11:51.44 | ecksun | hmm, i cannot :( |
| 11:51.50 | pyon | there may even be a pointer in english |
| 11:51.55 | abrotman | ecksun: there are lots of pet projects in the linux kernel too .. i'm sure it doesn't stop you from using those |
| 11:52.10 | ecksun | abrotman, Im not sure i follow |
| 11:52.42 | abrotman | ecksun: who cares if Sun/Oracle is the only maintainer .. as long as its quality work |
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| 11:52.54 | ecksun | good point |
| 11:53.16 | ecksun | but as this is my private server Im not going compleyly on rational though ;) |
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| 11:53.35 | pyon | ecksun: good luck with zfs/kfreebsd/whatever ecksun; cheers |
| 11:53.37 | abrotman | unrational ? |
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| 11:54.15 | ecksun | abrotman, I dont like oracle (and like debian), and for that reason alone i wont use solaris |
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| 11:54.23 | ecksun | but that isnt adding much to the discussion |
| 11:54.38 | ecksun | i think i might run a normal raid5 with mdadm and scrubb it regullary |
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| 11:54.44 | ecksun | then migrate to btrfs when it becomes stable |
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| 11:54.51 | dhanesh | my friend have a computer installed with debian os.But he doesn't have internet connection.Then how will he install packages? Then i had gone to http://packages.debian.org/stable/ then i tried to download a package but it needs many dependencies so how can i download all of them .how can i solve this problem? is there any program for that ? |
| 11:55.21 | jelly | ecksun: make sure you have a hot spare, and read about what happens with mdadm raid5 when it finds a double fault |
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| 11:55.36 | peterray | He should get a disc, dhanesh. |
| 11:55.37 | Rienzilla | you can figure out all the dependencies, download all the .deb's and go, or use a CD-set |
| 11:55.37 | dhanesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.43 | jelly | ecksun: only the very latest mdadm and kernels deal with it half-sensibly |
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| 11:55.59 | dhanesh | peterray> what disc |
| 11:56.14 | ecksun | jelly, oh :( any source? :D |
| 11:56.22 | peterray | The ones for his distribution, from debian.org . |
| 11:56.30 | jelly | ecksun: changelogs and the author's blog |
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| 11:57.19 | ecksun | aight |
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| 11:57.23 | ecksun | thx |
| 11:57.23 | EClaesson_ | Hi is it possible to install Debian over internet if the wireless network requires login on a webpage (such as in libraries, cafeterias)? |
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| 11:57.52 | dhanesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.59 | jelly | ecksun: eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/452855/ |
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| 11:58.14 | ecksun | oh, awesome, thx |
| 11:59.12 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 11:59.13 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 11:59.23 | jelly | ecksun: this might end up in kernel 3.1 or even later |
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| 11:59.56 | jelly | so -- doesn't exist in ANY distro, yet |
| 12:00.09 | ecksun | yeah |
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| 12:00.38 | ecksun | so if i get a simple bit error i will have to recheck the entire drive, as someone mentioned earlier |
| 12:00.53 | ecksun | as you mentioned earlier :) |
| 12:01.29 | ecksun | which is a pita, however might be worth it depending on how common bit-rot is |
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| 12:02.01 | tawtaw | how do i figure out why my website is being redirected? |
| 12:02.25 | abrotman | tawtaw: need more details ... |
| 12:02.36 | tawtaw | is there a way to see what is causing the redirection?, i have checked in my dns and for .htaccess redirects |
| 12:02.38 | EClaesson_ | Is it possible to install Debian over internet if the wireless network requires login on a webpage (such as in libraries, cafeterias)? |
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| 12:03.18 | abrotman | tawtaw: yeah, we still need more details .. being redirected where? what does it say? |
| 12:03.42 | tawtaw | abrotman: from .co.uk to .es and it says nothing |
| 12:03.57 | tawtaw | it just redirects |
| 12:04.25 | abrotman | is this a URL we can try? |
| 12:04.27 | jelly | EClaesson_: if you can manage to bring up the network and log in using simple busybox tools available in the Ctrl-Alt-F2 shell, maybe |
| 12:04.32 | tawtaw | can i somehow see what causes the redirect (without finding the problem via trial and error) |
| 12:04.52 | EClaesson_ | jelly: Ok, thanks. |
| 12:04.54 | abrotman | tawtaw: could bve your apache config, or the code in the site |
| 12:05.14 | abrotman | tawtaw: make sure the DNS is pointing to the correct place also |
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| 12:07.30 | tawtaw | abrotman: i have checked the code for the website (i did grep) and i have checked the DNS and redirection settings |
| 12:07.47 | tawtaw | :/ no help, im wondering if there is a tool which can recognize how its happening |
| 12:07.51 | abrotman | is this a URL we can try ? |
| 12:08.23 | tawtaw | nope its behind firewalls |
| 12:08.25 | tawtaw | :# |
| 12:08.29 | tawtaw | :/ |
| 12:08.53 | abrotman | tawtaw: you have a .es domain behind your firewall ? |
| 12:09.03 | EClaesson_ | Should i use i386 och amd64 for a 64-bit Intel? |
| 12:09.08 | abrotman | tawtaw: if you type in the IP of the machine, does it also redirect you ? |
| 12:09.24 | abrotman | EClaesson_: i386 or amd64 .. it's really up to you .. if it's for a desktop, i'd say i386 |
| 12:09.37 | tawtaw | abrotman: atm its behind firewall but will be opened later |
| 12:09.42 | EClaesson_ | Thanks abrotman |
| 12:09.43 | tawtaw | abrotman: i will try that |
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| 12:11.17 | tawtaw | abrotman: no i get a 'welcome to apache' page |
| 12:11.23 | tawtaw | it has multiple domain names and one ip |
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| 12:12.19 | abrotman | tawtaw: but still by all of the hostnames that point there, you get redirected? |
| 12:12.55 | tawtaw | abrotman: no only this one website gets redirected |
| 12:13.01 | tawtaw | which is the weird thing |
| 12:13.23 | tawtaw | i have grepped for ".co.uk" and anything related to the issue but i cannot find anything |
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| 12:13.51 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How can I issue to search for a specific string in `more'? |
| 12:14.00 | tawtaw | are there no tools which tell me 'apache is causing this redirection' or 'hey stupid you are using 'this' dns and not the one you thought' or whatever |
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| 12:14.27 | abrotman | tawtaw: the DNS one should be obvious |
| 12:14.27 | tawtaw | hid3: read the man page |
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| 12:14.55 | abrotman | tawtaw: also, try another browser |
| 12:14.58 | tawtaw | abrotman: yeah it is but i just meant it as an example, that i would see what ip (or whatnot) is truggering the redirection |
| 12:15.00 | tawtaw | abrotman: i have |
| 12:15.04 | tawtaw | and another location almost |
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| 12:24.39 | abrotman | almost? |
| 12:24.54 | abrotman | tawtaw: did you check the apache logs to see if you are hitting the machine? |
| 12:26.16 | tawtaw | abrotman: :) telnet showed me that the redirect was done by apache |
| 12:26.32 | tawtaw | so i will look deeper at apache |
| 12:26.46 | tawtaw | abrotman: i am hitting the machine |
| 12:28.40 | michlemken-1 | what is a good alternative to replace that anjuta-ide junk (got 3.0.3.0 today) - i still like autotools, though ? |
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| 12:33.03 | abrotman | michlemken-1: AFAIK, that's kind of it .. kdevelop maybe, if it still exists .. i don't tihnk bluefish will do that .. and uh .. eclipse if you can deal with it |
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| 12:35.52 | michlemken-1 | I am pissed - ten years and the anjuta developers can't get a simple editor search right! |
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| 12:37.35 | abrotman | judd: versions anjuta |
| 12:37.36 | judd | Package anjuta on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.4.2-1+lenny1; squeeze: 2:2.32.0.0-5; sid: 2:3.0.3.0-3; wheezy: 2:3.0.3.0-3 |
| 12:38.39 | michlemken-1 | anjuta 3.... adds bugs to the UI |
| 12:38.48 | abrotman | did you file a bug ? |
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| 12:40.43 | michlemken-1 | no - that shit is so dammed obvious |
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| 12:41.48 | abrotman | i don't see a bug in teh BTS for it ... |
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| 12:49.56 | nettezzaumana | hello |
| 12:50.16 | nettezzaumana | how can i in linux grap pstack ? |
| 12:50.40 | nettezzaumana | eg show process call stack |
| 12:50.54 | nettezzaumana | like pstack does in all normal unix systems ? |
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| 12:52.11 | filePeter | nettezzaumana: apt-cache show pstack |
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| 12:53.32 | nettezzaumana | filePeter: no pkgs found :P |
| 12:53.38 | S4nD3r | Hi ! How make sure my PATH includes /usr/local/cuda/bin ? |
| 12:53.58 | nettezzaumana | filePeter: but the problem is deeper, i have to install it on host which is not connected to internet |
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| 12:54.41 | nettezzaumana | filePeter: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/3236763 << i need this (example) |
| 12:54.55 | filePeter | nettezzaumana: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/pstack <- It is there! |
| 12:55.03 | nettezzaumana | filePeter: thanks |
| 12:55.18 | abrotman | judd: versions pstack |
| 12:55.20 | judd | Package pstack on i386 -- lenny: 1.2-1; squeeze: 1.2-2; sid: 1.2-3; wheezy: 1.2-3 |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: which version of Debian are you on ? |
| 12:55.41 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: let me show ya, minute' |
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| 12:56.20 | filePeter | S4nD3r: add it to ~/.profile/ |
| 12:56.54 | nettezzaumana | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:56.55 | nettezzaumana | 5.0.4 |
| 12:57.02 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: ^^ |
| 12:57.27 | nettezzaumana | i need to take a look at wiki what's that hence i'm really not debian user |
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| 12:57.34 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:57.42 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: huh ? |
| 12:57.45 | nettezzaumana | why huh ? |
| 12:57.49 | abrotman | not really debian user? |
| 12:58.03 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin if you can |
| 12:58.03 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: yeah, customer has this server |
| 12:58.15 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: it's not connected to internet at all |
| 12:58.21 | filePeter | nettezzaumana: Why did apt-get install pstack not work?! |
| 12:58.49 | Acony | I configured somewhere params for my 2 wireless networks, so my computer is automatically connected to one of them, now I wan't to add third network but I am not sure how |
| 12:58.51 | flores | hi folks, anyone knows why /usr/local/lib is not looked for by the linked? |
| 12:58.51 | abrotman | filePeter: he may only have a few CDs if there's not internet sources |
| 12:58.52 | nettezzaumana | filePeter: it's not connected to inet .. i have to download by hand with deps and scp thru vpn and then dpkg -i it |
| 12:59.04 | flores | I meant linker |
| 12:59.15 | Acony | I am not using wicd or some tools, because they ain't working ok on my machine |
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| 12:59.29 | nettezzaumana | if dpkg -i does what i remember it does :P |
| 12:59.55 | nettezzaumana | i started with unix on debian 10+ years ago ... kernel 2.2 era |
| 12:59.56 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: kind of .. it's probably better to get a full CD/DVD set and use apt-cdrom to scan them all .. or connect it to the internet |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: luckily for you .. pstack only has one dependency |
| 13:00.45 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: okay, thanks for suggestion ... i'll resolve it somehow .. i was asking dumb hence i checked it a pstack presence on SLE* and there's even no available package |
| 13:01.02 | nettezzaumana | libc seems like |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: unfortunately for you .. it's probably a security patched libc6 which you don't have installed i bet |
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| 13:01.15 | nettezzaumana | let's see :P |
| 13:01.26 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: is there a proxy that you could go through somehow ? |
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| 13:01.40 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: no, simply not .. but it is not any problem |
| 13:01.45 | sonny1^ | when i look at flash videos in fullscreen with iceweasel or chromium there are horizontal whithe lines, but with opera it works well. What could be the reason? |
| 13:01.52 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: apparently it is a bit of a problem :) |
| 13:01.54 | nettezzaumana | i can scp it there thru vpn |
| 13:02.09 | abrotman | so it does have internet? |
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| 13:02.10 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: 5.0.4 is what ? |
| 13:02.23 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: that's an old version of lenny |
| 13:02.29 | nettezzaumana | hides and giggles and expects something like utfg |
| 13:02.33 | nettezzaumana | okay |
| 13:02.42 | abrotman | lenny is currently 5.0.8 |
| 13:02.48 | nettezzaumana | okay okay |
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| 13:03.08 | nettezzaumana | thanks lads |
| 13:03.37 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: sorry for dumb Q: .. i didn't find a pstack for SLE* (suse) so i was confused |
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| 13:04.12 | nettezzaumana | if it even exists or if stacks are printed out differently |
| 13:04.14 | nettezzaumana | in linux |
| 13:04.24 | filePeter | nettezzaumana: Possibly you might think of something like apt-offline or so |
| 13:04.30 | cnz | Im in the process of upgrading to wheezy it has opened up paper /tmp/tmpplopBO |
| 13:04.37 | cnz | how do I get out of that so it will continue |
| 13:04.45 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: s'ok |
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| 13:04.50 | nettezzaumana | filePeter: no need .. we modify this host very rarely |
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| 13:04.57 | abrotman | !apt-zip |
| 13:04.57 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 13:05.09 | abrotman | cnz: 'q' ? |
| 13:05.13 | nettezzaumana | yeah, worth to think about |
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| 13:06.04 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: you may want to look at the release notes for 5.0.4 -> 5.0.8 and see if any of those fixes may affect you |
| 13:06.28 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: the whole story is that we have mixed sunos+SLE environment with just one debian host maintained until 30.6 by 3rd party company but the contract expired .. there is nagios |
| 13:06.29 | cnz | god im so stupid |
| 13:06.35 | cnz | I have been up all night messin with this crap |
| 13:07.03 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: ah okay .. well, you still may want to look at the changelogs .. there are stability/RC fixes in there |
| 13:07.17 | nettezzaumana | sure think abrotman , thanks much for help |
| 13:07.33 | abrotman | have a splendid afternoon |
| 13:07.54 | nettezzaumana | s/think/thing/ |
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| 13:10.21 | cnz | abrotman, thanks q worked, I dunno why I didn't try that guess the lack of sleep is kicking in now |
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| 13:12.33 | flores | hi folks, where is ldconfig in debian |
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| 13:12.49 | tensorpudding | sbin |
| 13:14.46 | flores | tensorpudding: thanks, do you know how do I add /usr/local/lib to ld.so.conf ? |
| 13:15.05 | filePeter | flores: bash whereis ldconfig |
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| 13:15.56 | tensorpudding | i can't imagine why you'd need to add /usr/local/lib |
| 13:15.58 | filePeter | flores: add a file to /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ , i guess |
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| 13:16.53 | filePeter | flores: think about adding the path to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH instead of making it global |
| 13:17.13 | flores | tensorpudding: because otherwise my executables will not find the shared libraries they depend, as I see, an autotools built package assumes /usr/local/lib is looked for |
| 13:17.32 | tensorpudding | i've never had problems with ldconfig not searching for libraries there though |
| 13:17.36 | flores | filePeter: that is a good idea |
| 13:18.07 | flores | tensorpudding: this is my first time, on debian 6 |
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| 13:21.37 | tdn | How do I set that a path should be mounted as RAM? E.g. like /tmp? So that it is never stored to disk file system, but is cleared on each boot? |
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| 13:22.47 | filePeter | tdn: Google ramdissk |
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| 13:25.02 | RichiH | can kvm pass-through a gfx card? |
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| 13:30.35 | abrotman | RichiH: what? |
| 13:32.07 | NoStroK | dpkg, bind |
| 13:32.07 | dpkg | it has been said that bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a Domain Name System (DNS) server. To install: "aptitude install bind9 bind9-doc". See also <bind9 chroot>, <bind9 lenny>. http://wiki.debian.org/Bind9 https://www.isc.org/software/bind #bind on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:32.16 | tdn | filePeter, I find plenty of resources on how to make a ramdisk, but how to make it permanent? Say, if I want a certain user's homedir to be a ramdisk? What should I put in /etc/fstab? IRCC /tmp is by default a ramdisk, however, if I see in /etc/fstab, it is not even mentioned there. |
| 13:32.22 | NoStroK | dpkg, bind chroot |
| 13:32.23 | dpkg | NoStroK: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 13:33.36 | filePeter | tdn: You want it permanent? What do you plan to do!? |
| 13:33.47 | abrotman | NoStroK: msg the bot |
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| 13:35.27 | tdn | filePeter, I want it permanent, yes. I have at various times found it useful to have a folder that will be deleted automatically on each boot. And never used on disk. For instance a guest user's homedir. Or certain applications's log files. |
| 13:36.04 | tdn | Log files in tmpfs are handy because they do not fill the disk, it is still possible to debug things by looking at the logs in the RAM, if the machine has not been rebooted. |
| 13:36.16 | nettezzaumana | bye !! |
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| 13:36.39 | tdn | Also, I think it would be nice to have a folder in my homedir that is in RAM for performance. |
| 13:36.40 | nevyn | tdn: that's insane unless you're logging remotely as well. |
| 13:37.23 | tdn | nevyn, that depends on the application... Sometimes the logs are really not that important. |
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| 13:37.47 | b52 | does logrotate itself log what it actually do? |
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| 13:38.14 | qckheavy | hello guys i have a mysql server on my machine but when i try to start it it says failed |
| 13:38.36 | qckheavy | i have checked in /var/log/mysql/ there are no log files is there another location i can check in the logs of how can i solve this issue |
| 13:38.50 | tdn | So, how do I make a path automatically become a ramdisk/tmpfs on bootup? Should I put something in /etc/fstab or somewhere else? Where is it configured that /tmp is in RAM? |
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| 13:39.19 | qckheavy | fstab |
| 13:39.39 | tdn | fstab does not even mention /tmp on a clean debian install. |
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| 13:41.37 | tdn | none /ramdisk tmpfs defaults,size=1024m 1 2 |
| 13:41.41 | tdn | Should this do it? |
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| 13:43.02 | blackshirt | how about rapiddisk ?? look at http://wiki.petroskoutoupis.com/index.php5?title=RapidDisk#Planned_Feature_Support |
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| 13:43.37 | handheldcar | This random wallpaper script isn't working http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox#Setting_your_background_image_with_feh This is the output http://paste.debian.net/125088/ I've tried touching the .last file and echoing $RANDOM into the .last file, but I get the same error on two computers. |
| 13:43.56 | tdn | blackshirt, I'll look at it. |
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| 13:44.18 | tdn | blackshirt, seems interesting. Not sure if it is better in this case. |
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| 13:45.44 | blackshirt | tdn: sorry, i'm late for your case..can you describe again :) |
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| 13:47.05 | tdn | blackshirt, I really just want to prevent somethings to touch the disk, thus, I use a ramdisk. It can be for performance reasons, convenience, etc. |
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| 13:48.12 | blackshirt | tdn, okay... what's the problems with ramdisk ? |
| 13:49.07 | cnz | waht's the link for firefox for debian |
| 13:49.14 | cnz | so I can add the repo for it |
| 13:49.32 | tdn | blackshirt, no problems. This is what I want. Just not sure how to make it permanent... |
| 13:49.58 | tdn | blackshirt, I often use to create a ramdisk when I need one. I just think it would be better to have a path permanently be ramdisk. |
| 13:50.22 | tdn | blackshirt, e.g. to have a ~/ramdisk that is always in ram would be nice. |
| 13:53.36 | th0r | tdn: have you checked for a ramdisk howto? |
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| 13:54.23 | tdn | th0r, I have. It seems that the above fstab line works. |
| 13:54.38 | filePeter | cnz: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 13:55.27 | th0r | tdn: ok. Dropped out for a few minutes there and must have missed you getting the solution <smile> |
| 13:56.27 | obiwahn | tmpfs /removable/tmpfs tmpfs defaults,size=4000m 0 0 |
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| 13:56.51 | blackshirt | tdn: i think that would be on ram permanently until reboot or umounted |
| 13:57.40 | obiwahn | http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/11/overview-of-ramfs-and-tmpfs-on-linux/ |
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| 13:57.57 | tdn | obiwahn, is that better than the one above? |
| 13:58.09 | cnz | anyone know in iceweasel how to move the tab bar above the address/navigation bar? |
| 13:58.18 | obiwahn | how much above? |
| 13:58.32 | obiwahn | just read the last few lines... sorry:( |
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| 13:58.49 | cnz | obiwahn you refuring that quetion to me? |
| 13:59.17 | obiwahn | cnz: no |
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| 14:00.46 | filePeter | cnz: thatâs some clicking away... Dunno what exactly... But remove some the title or menu bar or something... |
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| 14:01.06 | obiwahn | tdn: why 1 2 |
| 14:01.20 | obiwahn | fsck on ram? |
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| 14:03.15 | obiwahn | tdn: i would suggest to use tmpfs as you can limit it's size with ease and do not needsome form of quota |
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| 14:07.26 | obiwahn | tdn: running out of ram because of some stupid mistake sucks:) best you limit your user session via limits to 80%-90% of the physical ram as well... |
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| 14:09.17 | tdn | obiwahn, 0 2 then? |
| 14:09.42 | tdn | obiwahn, ok. |
| 14:10.14 | NightTiger | Why is it that my custom kernel 2.6.35.7 on squeeze-updated-from-lenny can only see /dev/sda2 (ext3 partition for /), but not the other 3 partitions (also ext3) on that drive, and cannot see the other two identical drives in the machine? |
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| 14:13.51 | obiwahn | NightTiger: what does not see mean in your case? |
| 14:13.57 | obiwahn | they are no automounted |
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| 14:14.07 | obiwahn | they do not appear in /dev/ ? |
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| 14:14.45 | NightTiger | obiwahn: It means that fdisk -l shows nothing. Partitions are not mounted. I get thrown into recovery mode. |
| 14:16.28 | NightTiger | I tried using UUIDs, then not using UUIDs. The kernel boot messages declare them to be there... |
| 14:16.49 | NightTiger | I don't know where/what to look for/at next. |
| 14:17.33 | obiwahn | mh can you run x? |
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| 14:17.56 | NightTiger | No. |
| 14:17.56 | obiwahn | maybe try to run gparted just to check what is there |
| 14:18.08 | obiwahn | cfdisk |
| 14:18.33 | obiwahn | maybe you are misreading somethin |
| 14:18.53 | obiwahn | does mount /dev/sdXX /some/path work as root? |
| 14:19.09 | kanneblei_ | Hello all. I'm getting errors on schroot as "location" (on 1.2.2) has been renamed "directory" (on 1.4.10), but I'm not sure which version made the switch. does anyone know? |
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| 14:19.49 | NightTiger | obiwahn: The mount command returns "no device". If I boot using one of the stock kernels, I see everything just fine. |
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| 14:20.13 | obiwahn | then you are missing some module |
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| 14:20.32 | obiwahn | sorry i have compiled my last kernel 6 years ago:)) |
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| 14:22.16 | DexterF | hi. I wanted to replace gdm3 with gdm in testing. removing gdm3 tho uninstalls gnome as a dependency |
| 14:22.34 | NightTiger | obiwahn: The kernel boot messages show "scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA ST3320620AS 3.AA PQ: 0 ANSI: 5" type messages for all 3 drives. |
| 14:22.37 | DexterF | the machine runs xfce anyway, so - safe to do it? |
| 14:22.56 | obiwahn | DexterF: there is no supported way to "downgrade" |
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| 14:23.49 | obiwahn | try to remove all gnome stuff -- and reinstall from testing |
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| 14:24.03 | boudiccas | how do i mount a usb external h/d manually please? the little gui to mount it hasnt appeared after i plugged it back in and konqueror is refusing to see it. this si on squeeze uptodate |
| 14:24.04 | obiwahn | apt pinning is your friend |
| 14:24.04 | apt | ...but pinning is already something else... |
| 14:24.14 | obiwahn | apt pining |
| 14:24.17 | obiwahn | apt pinning |
| 14:24.18 | apt | from memory, pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
| 14:24.18 | wols_ | NightTiger: dmesg |grep sda dmesg |grep sdb |
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| 14:24.54 | wols_ | obiwahn: how does this help? |
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| 14:25.22 | obiwahn | wols_: ? |
| 14:25.37 | wols_ | DexterF: "gnome" is a metapackage. no reason why you can't remove it, it doesn't uninstall any software by itself. only if it also uninstalls the components of gnome then you need to investigate /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 14:25.59 | obiwahn | so he can pin the gnome version he likes?! |
| 14:26.10 | drhouse123 | Hello! How I can create customised iso, based on testing ? |
| 14:26.21 | allu2 | I'm packaging python script that searches current weather conditions into different finnish cities into a deb package, which section should i put in control for script like this? |
| 14:26.33 | wols_ | boudiccas: check if the kernel recognized your hdd. dmesg tells you |
| 14:26.44 | wols_ | !tell drhouse123 ahout custom cd |
| 14:27.02 | DexterF | wols_: well, it uninstalls gnome-desktop-environment as well. but since I don't need it I can part with it. I merely need to know if substituing gdm for gdm3 is safe |
| 14:27.09 | DexterF | then again, I can always reinstall it. |
| 14:27.13 | wols_ | DexterF: those are both meta packages. |
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| 14:27.40 | wols_ | !tell drhouse123 about custom cd |
| 14:28.18 | drhouse123 | whols Big thanks |
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| 14:30.03 | NightTiger | wols_: The kernel _does_ see the drives. |
| 14:30.22 | NightTiger | That's what confuses me. |
| 14:30.34 | wols_ | NightTiger: what do the commands I gave you spit out? |
| 14:30.39 | obiwahn | DexterF: debtree gnome | dot -Tpng > gnome.png && geeqie gnome.png |
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| 14:31.22 | obiwahn | or apt-cache dotty ... just to get an overview |
| 14:31.37 | humbolt | how can I track the memory usage of a certain app on the console? |
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| 14:32.44 | NightTiger | wols_: sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA <\n>sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 |
| 14:33.03 | wols_ | NightTiger: then have you run fdisk -l as root? |
| 14:33.32 | NightTiger | wols_: Yes, and the prompt just comes back; no output. |
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| 14:33.53 | wols_ | do you use any funny partitioning schemes like GPT or such? |
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| 14:34.08 | wols_ | a dump of the first sector of sda would be helpful for example |
| 14:34.11 | NightTiger | wols_: No. ext3, and reiserfs on sdb |
| 14:34.17 | scampbell | humboldt: use ps or /proc/<pid>/status |
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| 14:34.42 | wols_ | NightTiger: partition tables, not filesystems |
| 14:34.53 | boudiccas | how do i mount a usb external h/d manually please? the little gui to mount it hasnt appeared after i plugged it back in and konqueror is refusing to see it. this si on squeeze uptodate |
| 14:34.54 | Interverse | What is wrong here? :\ http://pastebin.com/8t19UHz0 |
| 14:35.03 | scampbell | humbold: and man proc will tell exactly what all the numbers mean |
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| 14:35.05 | wols_ | boudiccas: I told you |
| 14:35.07 | NightTiger | If I boot with a stock kernel, everything is just fine. |
| 14:35.18 | boudiccas | i had a freeze so had to reboot |
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| 14:35.47 | wols_ | NightTiger: which means you messed up your kernel compile. do it again. this time copy over the debian config-* file as .config in your kernel tree and do a make oldconfig or such |
| 14:36.03 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.13 | humbolt | scampbell: Weird. I am uploading a file via nginx/rails and I see the mem grow via "free" but I do not see nginx nor rails mem grow |
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| 14:36.21 | scampbell | Interverse: looks like /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/nginx.conf and the current directories nginx.conf are symlinks to each other or one of their parent directories is common. |
| 14:36.21 | wols_ | boudiccas: it will tell you what devicename it has and what partitions. then you know what to mount where |
| 14:36.24 | humbolt | scampbell: this I do not understand |
| 14:36.34 | NightTiger | wols_: I've tried that. It was my first thought. No joy. |
| 14:37.15 | scampbell | humbolt: you mean you see your free memory go down as you are uploading a file? Are you sure that's not just buffers, it probably is. |
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| 14:37.38 | NightTiger | Is there something weird about 2.6.35 from a Debian point of view? |
| 14:37.44 | humbolt | scampbell: used goes up |
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| 14:38.10 | wols_ | NightTiger: no. right between 2.6.32 and 2.6.38 which both work in squeeze just fine |
| 14:38.31 | FYoFacebook | What am I dong wrong here guys? :\ http://pastebin.com/8t19UHz0 |
| 14:38.39 | humbolt | scampbell: the whole scenario is a messy bullshit. the whole file is uploaded into mem, than decoded to disk and decoded again by rack. ruby on rails bullshit |
| 14:38.42 | scampbell | humbolt: you could do a ps -el before and after and then compare the memory sizes to see which program grew if you lik. |
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| 14:39.22 | NightTiger | wols_: Damn! I was hoping... Ant ideas as to where I should look next, he asked hopefully? |
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| 14:40.10 | wols_ | NightTiger: why do you need 2.6.35? |
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| 14:40.29 | scampbell | FYoFacebook: it appears that you just asked this as Interverse, however, it is telling you that the two files or their parent directories have symlinks and they eventually end up pointing at each other and there is no real file. |
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| 14:41.03 | FYoFacebook | scampbell: Argh, wtf :\ |
| 14:41.33 | FYoFacebook | This is so bogus. |
| 14:41.36 | scampbell | FYoFacbook: try first doing an ls -ld on both files and see if they are both symlinks themselves. |
| 14:42.36 | FYoFacebook | scampbell: Well, file says nginx.conf (source) is ASCII English text. |
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| 14:43.47 | scampbell | That's nice, however, if you want to find the symlink loop you'll need to do ls -ld on the files and their parents or go grab one of the many 'fix my broken symlink' utililties out there. |
| 14:44.35 | NightTiger | wols_: I don't _need_ it, I just like to keep current. I've been building custom kernels for my Debain AMD64 machine since pre-Sarge from alioth, and never had a problem. Now, it's become a "You can't beat _me_!" issue. :-) |
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| 14:45.20 | wols_ | NightTiger: then use a "proper" bleeding edge kernel. not old stodgy 2.6.35. we're at 3.0 sheesh! |
| 14:45.47 | jelly | 2.6.35.x is the "longterm" one |
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| 14:47.13 | NightTiger | wols_: OK, I'll give the 3.0 a shot. I'm at work, so it'll have to wait until I have physical access... Thanks for your help and advice! |
| 14:48.21 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:48.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 14:49.40 | petern_ | hmm, so might there be a fix for bug #607551? :S |
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| 14:49.53 | boudiccas | okay, i've found the external usb h/d mounted under /media/usb but i need to rename it to /media/disk so that rsync will work. i've tried ... sudo rename /usb /disk .... but it terminated with .. Search pattern not terminated at (eval 1) line 1. ....... so how do i do it please? |
| 14:51.30 | abrotman | boudiccas: why not unmount it and remount it where you want it ? |
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| 14:51.55 | boudiccas | abrotman; because i dont know how! |
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| 14:52.38 | obiwahn | humbolt: pmap -d pid |
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| 14:53.39 | FYoFacebook | Is nginx considered unstable? |
| 14:53.41 | drhouse123 | How i can get development version of wine for debian ? There is have any repos ? |
| 14:53.49 | obiwahn | humbolt: cat /proc/$PID/status | grep VmRSS (rss is probably what you want) |
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| 14:55.19 | dacu | I installed awstats and I can get to the webinterface of the log - but it does not update - I run debian squeeze with apache-mpm-prefork - any hints ? |
| 14:55.26 | kurohyou | Hi, a while ago i've setup a raid1 on a couple of drives, everything went fine, yesterday i've done a dist-upgrade and there was a kernel update with it, now when i boot my system it doesn't find my raid1 setup, i've readded my drives to the raid and resynced but when i reboot my raid is gone again, anybody knows why, i'm sure it something stupid but i don't see it at the moment |
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| 14:55.37 | NightTiger | boudiccas: Plug the usb device in, then 'dmesg|tail" will tell you where it is (e.g./dev/sdb). To mount: mount /dev/sdb /mountpoint, unless it has partitions (e.g. sdb2 sdb2), in which case mount /dev/sdb1 /mountpoint. To unmount: umount /mountpoint. |
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| 14:56.22 | NightTiger | boudiccas: More info (LOTS more!) in the output of 'man mount'. |
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| 14:59.03 | wols_ | dacu: you probably need a cronjob that periodically updates the info? |
| 14:59.55 | cnz | hey wols_ I had to install to my usb external, my internal has just way too many badsectors, but I got wheezy installed, your suggestion worked great, ty |
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| 15:00.49 | wols_ | cnz: ok, bad hardware is nothing we can fix here. you ran a long SMART test on the disk already? tho it probably won't help much or at all... |
| 15:01.09 | cnz | I don't think it will even help |
| 15:01.27 | cnz | I have a new one on order |
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| 15:03.01 | qmr | is there a tool to reconfigure sources.list? |
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| 15:04.01 | abrotman | vi |
| 15:04.04 | balboah | qmr: I use vi, what do you need to do |
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| 15:04.52 | mosno | i had to do chroot /target while installing debian (so that i could do a gptsync), but because i didn't mount /target/dev/pts i got the message "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)" while doing the apt-get install gptsync. what is the effect of this on my system? |
| 15:05.13 | ksk | apt was not able to write its logs |
| 15:05.18 | ksk | if you dont need it, dont worry |
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| 15:05.33 | ksk | you can avoid this by bind-mounting /proc and /dev into your chroot |
| 15:05.42 | qmr | balboah: I need a working sources.list! |
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| 15:06.24 | qmr | Err http://debian.org lenny/main Packages |
| 15:06.24 | qmr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.45 | [MatSalleh] | is it possible to make a dhcp server offer a domain name? |
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| 15:07.09 | balboah | qmr: try changing it to http://ftp.us.debian.org or such |
| 15:07.16 | abrotman | ugh, don't |
| 15:07.25 | abrotman | !tell qmr about squeeze sources.list |
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| 15:08.38 | qmr | abrotman: why don't? |
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| 15:09.30 | ksk | you probably run "squeeze" so you better should not use a lenny sources.list (which is an older release) |
| 15:09.33 | mosno | ksk, okay, but is this going to affect the integrity of the package management systme somehow? |
| 15:09.42 | ksk | mosno: imho not |
| 15:09.43 | mosno | ksk, or is it just dpkg.log we're talking here? |
| 15:09.44 | qmr | pretty sure I'm running lenny |
| 15:09.48 | mosno | ok |
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| 15:10.18 | dtcrshr | hello, im trying to set up virtual hosts in apache. on its documentation i can see the debian layout here http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DistrosDefaultLayout#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_.28Apache_httpd_2.x.29: |
| 15:10.49 | dtcrshr | but one user thats helping me in #httpd asked me to show httpd -S, but i dunno where is this httpd binary, can anyone help me? |
| 15:10.49 | dtcrshr | ? |
| 15:10.55 | jhutchins_lt | qmr: Use the same format as the private message from dpkg with "lenny" instead of "squeeze" then. |
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| 15:11.27 | abrotman | qmr: surely there is a mirror near you |
| 15:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | dtcrshr: The binary is in root's path. |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | qmr: what is wrong with your sources.list ? can you show us, maybe we can fixit? |
| 15:11.52 | boudiccas | NightTiger; thansk, sorted now and rsync adjusted to its new position |
| 15:12.04 | qmr | abrotman: I think I have it sorted now. I don't know where the server is physically though. I tried it on one web geoip thingie and it said Jordan >_> |
| 15:12.09 | drhouse123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:12.34 | abrotman | qmr: the cdn.debian.net is a good thing to use then .. it will try to find the nearest mirror |
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| 15:13.35 | dtcrshr | jhutchins_lt: /root? iv tryed locate httpd |
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| 15:13.42 | balboah | how can you specify that you want to search a deb-src in aptitude? |
| 15:13.51 | jhutchins_lt | dtcrshr: No, root user. |
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| 15:14.12 | junix659 | is there a good web-based admin utility other than webmin? |
| 15:14.29 | jhutchins_lt | dtcrshr: It's called apache2 on Debian. |
| 15:14.36 | drhouse123 | is same http://forums.debian.net/download/file.php?id=540&sid=70a21fa2dba552f0989e217676cb8ebb |
| 15:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | dtcrshr: httpd is mostly RedHat derivatives. |
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| 15:15.25 | dtcrshr | hmm ill try |
| 15:15.29 | dtcrshr | im logged as root |
| 15:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | !tell junix659 about free whcp |
| 15:15.47 | cnz | ok stupid question, all packages listed in synaptic package manger under installed (local or obsolete) can they be removed? |
| 15:16.09 | jhutchins_lt | junix659: It's better to learn text-based management. Control panels are a security risk and can corrupt the system configuration. |
| 15:16.28 | jhutchins_lt | cnz: Yes. |
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| 15:18.34 | dtcrshr | apache2 -S apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 15:19.36 | junix659 | jhutchins_lt: this is completely for interal use |
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| 15:20.41 | balboah | hmm backport php5-fpm or just run unstable, that's the question |
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| 15:21.39 | roue | my system is failing to boot with a "Loading stage1.5.\nGRUB Loading,please wait ...\nError 15" . (Debian Lenny, legacy grub not 2.0). I've booted a rescue cd and re-installed grub, but it still fails. |
| 15:23.18 | dtcrshr | jhutchins_lt: any clues on this error? |
| 15:23.28 | wols_ | roue: you need to check your partition layout and your grub-install line |
| 15:24.45 | junix659 | ok now that I have a resource for web based control panels |
| 15:25.06 | roue | wols_ my partition is /boot at (hd0,0) and root at (hd0,1) . I did grub-install --root-directory=/ (hd0) |
| 15:25.13 | junix659 | has anyone successfully setup SSH in chroot/jail mode? |
| 15:25.13 | abrotman | roue: can you mount all partitions from the rescue CD ? |
| 15:25.18 | RafaFuturo | hi all |
| 15:25.28 | roue | abrotman yes. I can mount them. I ran an fsck -f and they come up clean. |
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| 15:26.37 | gca | hi all |
| 15:27.02 | gca | wanted to run a service as another user than root, as apache does. any clue? i tried su user -c but then i need to type in the passwd, what obviously i do not want to |
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| 15:27.37 | abrotman | okay |
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| 15:27.58 | abrotman | gca: run the script as root, no passwd needed |
| 15:29.02 | gca | abrotman: want to avoid that |
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| 15:31.15 | FYoFacebook | Okay, here's what I think I was doing wrong: ln -s [source] [target] requires absolute path for source, even if I'm in the source directory. |
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| 15:31.35 | FYoFacebook | Absolute path works. Does that make sense? |
| 15:31.44 | abrotman | gca: run the script as root, use the su user -c command |
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| 15:32.27 | gca | abrotman: but will it work if i run that script on the bootload? |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | !tias |
| 15:33.15 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 15:33.33 | gca | i am on it, it takes few minutes to set it up |
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| 15:35.50 | Arroyo1010 | are there any stability/compatibility problems if i choose to go 64bit instead of 32bit for my LAMP debian box? |
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| 15:36.04 | Arroyo1010 | it's relatively new 64nit hardware, ofc |
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| 15:36.10 | Arroyo1010 | 64bit* |
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| 15:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | Arroyo1010: The main shortcomings of 64bit software are in end-user multimedia stuff, LAMP shouldn't be a problem. Do you need 64b though? |
| 15:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | Arroyo1010: There are arguments that it can be slower. |
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| 15:38.09 | Arroyo1010 | i just thought performance-wise, isen't 64bit a small boost? |
| 15:38.30 | DexterF | it is. |
| 15:38.38 | wols_ | Arroyo1010: more registers are a boost, bigger data datatypes and therefore more cache usage are a slowdown |
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| 15:39.34 | DexterF | Arroyo1010: the question is: has the box more than 4gb ram? will it ever have? if not: 32b |
| 15:39.45 | me-1 | hi....if my friends debian pc is not connected to internet . how can i downlaod packages/softwares from my connected pc and install in his pc |
| 15:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | Arroyo1010: It depends on what you're doing with it. Large files, large complex computations are faster. Ordinary every day stuff is slower. |
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| 15:40.08 | jhutchins_lt | Arroyo1010: Lots of code isn't optimized at all for 64b even if it's compiled for it. |
| 15:40.09 | Arroyo1010 | 8 gig of ram |
| 15:40.17 | DexterF | me-1: packages.debian.org, search, download to usb drive, install manually wiht dpkg -i file |
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| 15:40.21 | mramish | When iam upgrading a maschine to testing do i have to remove packages from backports first? |
| 15:40.51 | Arroyo1010 | gotcha. i think i will just stick with 32bit |
| 15:40.51 | jhutchins_lt | Arroyo1010: If you know of something specific that 64b will do for you, then go ahead. If it's just a "bigger numbers are faster" thing, don't. |
| 15:41.13 | DexterF | Arroyo1010: 8gb: 64b. your other option is a bigmem kernel which then uses that memory above 4g by PAE - that however is a performance impact |
| 15:41.17 | Arroyo1010 | jhutchins_lt thank you very much for the clarification, you rock |
| 15:41.22 | jhutchins_lt | Arroyo1010: You will need the bigmem kernel. |
| 15:41.34 | jhutchins_lt | Aww, shucks. |
| 15:41.35 | wols_ | Arroyo1010: you can also use a amd64 kernel, bypassing PAE |
| 15:41.45 | Arroyo1010 | amd64k |
| 15:42.00 | Arroyo1010 | thank you wols_ DexterF ! |
| 15:42.04 | gca | abrotman: seems it worked, thanks folk :) |
| 15:42.12 | me-1 | DexterF, the probelm is one app has many repos . do i have to install all of them ....? or there is some .deb file that contains all to install an app |
| 15:42.33 | DexterF | wols_: can I still run 32b apps against the libraries with a 64b kernel? if so, will the 32b apps be able to use memory above 4gb? |
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| 15:42.42 | balboah | why did someone put apache as a dependency to php5-common |
| 15:43.01 | DexterF | me-1: um, you can of course get the DVD set, burn that, install from disc. |
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| 15:44.14 | [MatSalleh] | I've just set up a squid cache server, is there anything I can do to it to tweak it? |
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| 15:44.18 | DexterF | me-1: it would be possible, too, to create a mirror on let's say a usb disk. mirror should take about 25GB I think |
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| 15:44.21 | keith4 | can anyone suggest a simple way to make root's email forward to multiple people? would like to stick with a null client, if possible |
| 15:45.13 | NightTiger | keith4: mail aliases? |
| 15:46.07 | DexterF | obiwahn: did you tell me about that debtree thing? the resulting png has 23.7MB and GThumb breaks quite a sweat displaying it :) |
| 15:46.24 | me-1 | DexterF, for example i searched abiword and got http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/abiword . do i need to download and install all these 30+ dependencies to install abiword if so in anyparticullar order |
| 15:46.29 | keith4 | NightTiger: think null clients honor /etc/aliases? solid idea. i'll investigate |
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| 15:47.02 | DexterF | me-1: get the DVDs. if that is what you're up to you'll end up having forgot one package from the dependencies list |
| 15:47.47 | DexterF | !tell me-1 about iso |
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| 15:49.23 | me-1 | DexterF, do the dvds have these packages as default . I think DVD 1 will fulfill my needs |
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| 15:53.08 | FYoFacebook | :( |
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| 15:53.13 | FYoFacebook | Restarting nginx: [emerg]: SSL_CTX_use_certificate_chain_file("/opt/AvantgardeWarehouse/Crusherpro/sslcert.crt") failed (SSL: error:02001002:system library:fopen:No such file or directory error:20074002:BIO routines:FILE_CTRL:system lib error:140DC002:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_use_certificate_chain_file:system lib) configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test failed |
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| 15:54.07 | FYoFacebook | The file /opt/AvantgardeWarehouse/Crusherpro/sslcert.crt does exist :\ |
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| 15:57.05 | Aldus | ??? |
| 15:57.06 | keith4 | ha |
| 15:57.13 | balboah | wtf |
| 15:57.26 | [MatSalleh] | lolz |
| 15:57.28 | e-anima | wtf,.... |
| 15:57.29 | spal | an eventful night |
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| 15:57.39 | roue | ops pls ban him. |
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| 15:57.58 | Black_Prince | :O |
| 15:57.59 | e-anima | whyts the sense of that....i know that ubuntu is a debian child :D |
| 15:57.59 | daemonkeeper | He was killed already. |
| 15:58.13 | daemonkeeper | Please ignore those spam bots. |
| 15:58.31 | e-anima | yep, but i ask my self whats the intention of that |
| 15:58.35 | balboah | why would someone put up a spambot to promote ubuntu like that |
| 15:58.46 | e-anima | he refferes the ubuntu chan, but what does he get |
| 15:58.49 | abrotman | STOP |
| 15:58.53 | e-anima | babilen thats what i ask myself |
| 15:58.55 | dkr | look up "false flag operation" |
| 15:58.57 | abrotman | just leave it go .. no need to discuss it at all |
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| 15:59.23 | e-anima | :( |
| 16:01.01 | m8 | :O |
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| 16:13.14 | Amnesia | hi. does anyone over here know any good resource on how to create a iso/hybrid image? |
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| 16:14.06 | goodman | man page |
| 16:14.18 | Amnesia | .... |
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| 16:14.43 | gnarface | Amnesia: you want your own? you can't just use the one on debian.org? |
| 16:15.03 | Amnesia | gnarface: I want to make a iso/hybrid image of my current system |
| 16:15.10 | gnarface | oh |
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| 16:15.13 | gnarface | interesting idea |
| 16:15.38 | Derpadong | Anyone have suggestions for an mp3 tagging tool? |
| 16:15.58 | tensorpudding | Derpadong: ex falso |
| 16:16.01 | blackshirt | Amnesia, what you mean with iso/hybrid image ? |
| 16:16.21 | gnarface | Derpadong: i ususally tag them as i rip them, with audacious |
| 16:16.23 | Amnesia | blackshirt: an image that can be burned to a cd and that can be dd-ed to a block device |
| 16:16.29 | Derpadong | That doesnt require brasero to be installed. I meant to add that |
| 16:16.30 | blackshirt | Amnesia: live + installer ? |
| 16:16.34 | gnarface | Derpadong: not audacious, sorry i mean asunder |
| 16:16.41 | Amnesia | blackshirt: for example |
| 16:17.17 | goodman | man page |
| 16:17.22 | bier|tp | Derpadong: picard... http://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Picard |
| 16:17.29 | tensorpudding | i'm pretty sure that you create iso/hybrids by creating an iso, then post-processing it |
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| 16:17.48 | tensorpudding | Derpadong: ex falso doesn't require brasero |
| 16:18.12 | Derpadong | tensorpudding, It downloads with it |
| 16:18.15 | Derpadong | =| |
| 16:18.27 | Derpadong | It is one of the dependencies |
| 16:18.35 | jhutchins_lt | Amnesia: hybrid of what? |
| 16:19.01 | Amnesia | a liv environemt of my currently installed system |
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| 16:19.16 | jhutchins_lt | Amnesia: A hybrid is a mix of TWO things. |
| 16:19.29 | tensorpudding | Derpadong: it's not strictly required, it is probably a recommended package |
| 16:19.30 | Amnesia | I know that simply installing grub on a usb, and copy over my rootfs works, but I want to make a reusable image:) |
| 16:19.35 | tensorpudding | of something that exfalso requires |
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| 16:19.43 | Amnesia | jhutchins_lt: yeah a 9660 iso image and a raw image right? |
| 16:19.50 | jhutchins_lt | Amnesia: You want a bootable backup. Lots of tools for that. |
| 16:20.06 | Derpadong | exfalso requires Brasero and Quod Libet. So dependencies |
| 16:20.09 | tensorpudding | iso hybrids are just iso files with some stuff in front |
| 16:20.14 | Amnesia | lol does my explanation suck that hard^^? |
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| 16:20.17 | tensorpudding | exfalso requires quodlibet due to libraries |
| 16:20.19 | Amnesia | hm okay tensorpudding, thx |
| 16:20.30 | tensorpudding | and it also requires mutagen |
| 16:20.48 | Amnesia | tensorpudding: ever made one? |
| 16:20.50 | tensorpudding | but it doesn't require brasero |
| 16:20.54 | tensorpudding | Amnesia: no |
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| 16:20.58 | Amnesia | hmokay |
| 16:22.48 | goodman | \ |
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| 16:25.29 | allu2 | uh could someone point me where to go if i want to package my project for debian? |
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| 16:26.45 | mjt | allu2: mentors.debian.net, and also #debian-mentors @oftc |
| 16:26.58 | gnarface | allu2: there also is a policy manual |
| 16:27.01 | gnarface | !policy |
| 16:27.01 | dpkg | policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 16:27.22 | mjt | !mentors |
| 16:27.22 | dpkg | methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 16:27.31 | mjt | heh |
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| 16:28.33 | allu2 | gnarface: uh the policy, i've read it more or less but never helped me actually package :P now i'm following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python#The_debhelper_way and trying to fullfill the parts it says debian policy requires |
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| 16:32.13 | FYoFacebook | Is there something like a --disable-inane-questions for the Debian installer? |
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| 16:32.57 | tuxcrafter | when will debian include a working version of libreoffice in debian testing |
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| 16:33.12 | tuxcrafter | it has been months since the fonts bug where fixed upstream |
| 16:33.26 | tuxcrafter | i still cant create a pdf file that works with acrobat reader |
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| 16:35.00 | tuxcrafter | is downgrading his oowriter again to debian stable... |
| 16:35.13 | twobitsprite | tuxcrafter: sooner if you help |
| 16:35.16 | boudiccas | tuxcrafter; can you not install libreoffice's own deb files? |
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| 16:36.46 | FYoFacebook | I cannot stand sitting at the console hitting answering questions like "Are you sure you want to write changes to disk?" No, I lost 20 minutes of my life securing a CD-ROM drive, reconfiguring the BIOS, and running through the setup so I could not install it! |
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| 16:38.03 | FYoFacebook | Windows 7's installer is much better. It asks all the questions up-front and then it tells you how long the entire install will take, so you can plan around that and get coffee at the SoHo with a business partner. |
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| 16:38.10 | FYoFacebook | Any ideas? |
| 16:38.10 | boudiccas | my usb external h/d is named 'disk' and is recognised as such by the system. but after a power cut forced a reboot it no longer recognises it as 'disk, so how do i rename it please? |
| 16:38.11 | twobitsprite | FYoFacebook: writing changes to disk is irreversible and destructive. I prefer the installer be safe than sorry |
| 16:38.26 | twobitsprite | FYoFacebook: but if you want less interactive installs, you can always preseed |
| 16:38.28 | twobitsprite | !preseed |
| 16:38.28 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 16:38.45 | FYoFacebook | Brilliant! |
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| 16:44.05 | tuxcrafter | boudiccas: the libreoffices own deb files contain 53 debs that i need to install.. it makes a mesh of my packaging system |
| 16:44.07 | nsadmin | FYoFacebook, comparison to windows is not particularly relevent... you can always choose to run it |
| 16:44.14 | tuxcrafter | i now installed the stable version again |
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| 16:45.43 | _jesse_ | I'm having some issues upgrading, I'm getting "Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version" when it tries to set up the new linux image |
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| 16:46.35 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: what version are you upgrading to/from? what kernel version do you have? is it a custome kernel? |
| 16:46.56 | _jesse_ | nah, just from aptitude |
| 16:46.59 | _jesse_ | I'm currently on... |
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| 16:47.47 | _jesse_ | 2.6.38-2-686 and it is trying to set up 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 16:47.53 | _jesse_ | hmm wait, taht's strange |
| 16:47.57 | twobitsprite | ,kernels |
| 16:47.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.38-bpo.2-686 (2.6.38-5~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 16:48.26 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: yeah, it shouldn't be trying that... what is your aptitude command line? |
| 16:48.40 | _jesse_ | I was just doing `aptitude upgrade` |
| 16:48.55 | twobitsprite | mind pastebinning your sources.list? |
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| 16:50.00 | _jesse_ | sure, one sec, I'm just trying one other thing |
| 16:50.04 | FYoFacebook | nsadmin: What is 'it' referring to? |
| 16:50.09 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: also, check out "aptitude why linux-image-2.6-686" |
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| 16:50.25 | nsadmin | it == windows |
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| 16:50.28 | FYoFacebook | I wish someone would come out with a cloud OS. :/ |
| 16:50.42 | twobitsprite | FYoFacebook: what would that mean? |
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| 16:51.19 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: or you might have to "aptitude why linux-image-2.6.26-2-686" |
| 16:51.26 | FYoFacebook | twobitsprite: An operating system optimized from a configuration standpoint for running inside Xen virtual machines. |
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| 16:52.05 | nsadmin | linux runs fine in xen |
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| 16:52.08 | FYoFacebook | Just like Chrome OS is optimized for how people use computers today (just the web), but for the way people deploy to the cloud today. |
| 16:52.09 | twobitsprite | FYoFacebook: "from a configuration standpoint" how so? |
| 16:53.06 | twobitsprite | FYoFacebook: "the cloud" is a nebulous term (see what I did thar? :P)... it's mostly meaningless when you get down to specifics... what exactly do you mean? |
| 16:53.12 | _jesse_ | twobitsprite: output of why: http://paste.debian.net/125117/ sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/125118/ |
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| 16:53.35 | twobitsprite | ,versions virtualbox |
| 16:53.35 | judd | Package virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 4.0.10-dfsg-1; wheezy: 4.0.10-dfsg-1 |
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| 16:54.35 | FYoFacebook | twobitsprite: Just being put together with those needs in mind. Like, the system log/mail server. |
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| 16:55.16 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: what is spotify? |
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| 16:55.22 | karmatronic | hi buddy |
| 16:55.42 | karmatronic | anyone knows how to disable gpgcheck for a specific repo |
| 16:55.44 | karmatronic | ? |
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| 16:56.23 | TheWarden | How do I fix this as for some reason my MySQL just fails to load and all I have is this in the syslog, http://pastebin.com/HngNEiCW. It seems it thinks its running but its not |
| 16:56.42 | FYoFacebook | I don't want to have to log in to a console to a virtual machine to see the log. The entire system should be a searchable web interface for installing and configuring software, searching log files, etc. |
| 16:56.51 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: ohhhhh... you're mixing sid and stable... bad |
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| 16:57.01 | twobitsprite | yeah, don't do that |
| 16:57.02 | _jesse_ | :O |
| 16:57.06 | _jesse_ | I'll take out stabe |
| 16:57.09 | _jesse_ | *stable |
| 16:57.09 | twobitsprite | no! |
| 16:57.12 | twobitsprite | ugh... |
| 16:57.14 | _jesse_ | hehe |
| 16:57.15 | twobitsprite | !unstable |
| 16:57.18 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 16:57.22 | twobitsprite | take out sid! :) |
| 16:57.33 | _jesse_ | stable is missing a lot of packages I use though |
| 16:57.49 | twobitsprite | so run testing or something, but *never* mix stable with testing or sid |
| 16:58.00 | _jesse_ | hmm, didn't realize there was a testing |
| 16:58.04 | twobitsprite | !testing |
| 16:58.04 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 16:58.31 | _jesse_ | so you'd recommed switching to purely testing? |
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| 16:59.05 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: yes... however, you will experience occasional breakage on testing, and you're expected to know your way around dpkg and apt fairly well in case you get in a tight spot |
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| 16:59.20 | twobitsprite | it's definitely not for noobs, but I recommend it if you're willing to learn a few things |
| 17:00.20 | _jesse_ | twobitsprite: I'm kinda ~proficient~ with dpkg, but I honestly have had very few package issues with sid |
| 17:00.56 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: until now... |
| 17:01.05 | _jesse_ | haha touche |
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| 17:01.21 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: sid can actually be very stable at times... but when it breaks it can break bad |
| 17:01.41 | twobitsprite | anyways |
| 17:01.49 | twobitsprite | !tell _jesse_ -about stable->testing |
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| 17:02.40 | _jesse_ | twobitsprite: thank you! |
| 17:02.47 | twobitsprite | and if you *really* need a package from sid while running testing, look in to /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 17:02.54 | twobitsprite | !tell _jesse_ -about mixed system |
| 17:03.18 | twobitsprite | in other words, run testing, and pull only what you *need* from sid... mixing testing and sid is fine, just not with stable |
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| 17:03.45 | JohnLenin | Hey, I recently installed Debian on my laptop. Alls OK, however whenever it resumes from sleep the time jumps ahead by some random amount of time, typically by a few days. Is there any way to fix this? |
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| 17:04.20 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: no problem... also, one more thing... anything you pull from sid isn't supported in here, but you can ask for help in #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 17:04.42 | twobitsprite | those guys run testing/sid all the time and know how to fix some of the nastier breakage and also might have even seen your problem already |
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| 17:04.51 | twobitsprite | (but they won't support stable/sid :P) |
| 17:05.07 | _jesse_ | hehe gotcha |
| 17:06.22 | _jesse_ | wait, I can't have backports when running testing? |
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| 17:07.51 | _jesse_ | guess we'll see what happens :S |
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| 17:08.07 | cnz | I |
| 17:08.08 | abrotman | there are no backports for testing |
| 17:08.17 | cnz | I'm running testing and everything seems to be pretty nice |
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| 17:09.12 | abrotman | twobitsprite: he can ask here |
| 17:09.16 | abrotman | i wish people would stop saying that |
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| 17:09.33 | _jesse_ | abrotman: ah, hadn't realized that |
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| 17:11.46 | sonny1^ | anyone tried gnome 3? |
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| 17:12.25 | wols_ | sonny1^: there is no full gnome3 in debian, so no one could have tried it yet. do you have an actual debian support problem? |
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| 17:14.27 | sonny1^ | wols_, No, I thought it had already arrived in testing or unstable, I use stable |
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| 17:14.54 | wols_ | !tell sonny1^ about gnome3 |
| 17:15.00 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I thought sid wasn't supported in here |
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| 17:15.27 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: well, backports for stable are usually packages from testing or sid which were recompiled/rebuilt for stable, so there's no need for a backports |
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| 17:16.56 | _jesse_ | twobitsprite: mmm makes sense |
| 17:17.24 | abrotman | twobitsprite: that's just not true |
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| 17:17.40 | twobitsprite | abrotman: which part? |
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| 17:18.32 | twobitsprite | I see regulars here directing people with sid to go to #d-next in oftc all the time... |
| 17:19.24 | nsadmin | well directing them there as an additional info source is one thing, but insisting they leave here is another |
| 17:19.59 | nsadmin | and there are a few points inbetween of course, but you get the idea |
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| 17:22.15 | nsadmin | <twobitsprite> abrotman: I thought sid wasn't supported in here <-- that's what I thought too |
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| 17:23.27 | abrotman | twobitsprite: -next specializes in those .. but they're still supported here |
| 17:23.27 | nsadmin | but I also thoght that "sid not supported" was weaker since if someone here knew, they would answer |
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| 17:25.13 | twobitsprite | fair enough |
| 17:25.29 | twobitsprite | _jesse_: you get all that? :P |
| 17:25.31 | abrotman | twobitsprite: there are plenty of channels that specialize .. we don't direct all the amd64 users to #debian-amd64 just bvecause it exists ... |
| 17:26.02 | twobitsprite | abrotman: well true... but I could have swore I heard people say sid wasn't supported in here... but I must be misremembering |
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| 17:26.24 | abrotman | twobitsprite: in as much as sid is supported in general, it's supported here also |
| 17:26.30 | twobitsprite | got it |
| 17:26.47 | nsadmin | I didn't think the issue was specialization in general |
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| 17:27.04 | Ratty | Hi, has anyone been able to get lirc-modules-source installed on the 3.0.x kernel? |
| 17:27.55 | _jesse_ | twobitsprite: yep yep! I finished the upgrade, I'll restart soon to make sure the new kernel works; I've actually been using an older one because the pae stuff that was installed broke my wireless |
| 17:28.01 | _jesse_ | hopefully that's been fixed by now |
| 17:28.16 | nsadmin | on the other hand arm and ppc users have been directed elsewhere, so things pretty much run the gamut |
| 17:28.42 | wols_ | Ratty: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:28.42 | abrotman | right, but i've helped arm and ppc users also |
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| 17:29.20 | jhutchins_lt | is going to have to do a ppc install soon. |
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| 17:29.32 | nsadmin | but one thing is for sure: "the rules" aren't very clear, and people on occasion get kicked or whatever for violations of unclear rules |
| 17:29.33 | Ratty | wols_, ii libc6 2.13-13 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:29.50 | jhutchins_lt | The main reason for directing someone to another channel is that there may be a greater concentration of specific knowledge there. |
| 17:30.06 | nsadmin | and that's the best reason |
| 17:30.40 | nsadmin | but to get upset because the person doesn't take the suggestion isn't the greatest thing |
| 17:31.33 | nsadmin | lots and lots of times, I will say here's an additional source of info |
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| 17:31.59 | nsadmin | which is essentially putting it in an attractive way |
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| 17:34.52 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:35.07 | nsadmin | morvning |
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| 17:36.24 | cyborg | Hey guys, i need help |
| 17:36.26 | cyborg | ! |
| 17:36.59 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 17:36.59 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 17:37.34 | cyborg | I'm talking with you from Ubuntu but i just installed Debian 6.0.1 |
| 17:37.37 | cyborg | I think |
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| 17:38.04 | nsadmin | doesn't sound like a problem (or question) so far |
| 17:38.28 | cyborg | Then when i turned the PC on, and logged in to Debian, the internet wouldnt work. It detected my neetwork which has a WPA password |
| 17:38.49 | Ratty | Hi, has anyone been able to get lirc-modules-source installed on the 3.0.x kernel? |
| 17:39.13 | nsadmin | did it use the network when you installed (w/ the wpa password and everything)? |
| 17:39.15 | cyborg | then i tried to connect, but when i introduced my password, it said, connecting, but after a long time, it said me too type again the password and i did it but nothing |
| 17:39.27 | cyborg | keeps prompting for the password to my network |
| 17:39.29 | cyborg | ... |
| 17:39.44 | nsadmin | hmm, never seen that before |
| 17:39.54 | cyborg | That doesnt happen in UBunut 11.04, but it did in Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 17:40.17 | nsadmin | hmm, does your wireless need firmware? |
| 17:40.33 | cyborg | I don't know what you mean |
| 17:40.39 | simonlnu | "what's firmware?" |
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| 17:40.51 | cyborg | In ubuntu it connects automatically and with no problems |
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| 17:41.09 | simonlnu | firmware is software the hardware uses. ubuntu installs it for you. |
| 17:41.10 | cyborg | so is there any way to pass the packages from ubuntu to debian? |
| 17:41.22 | edbian | Why when I see -X when I'm done and 'exit' the session won't end? |
| 17:41.25 | simonlnu | no need for that |
| 17:41.32 | cyborg | Well it detects the network, but doesnt connect |
| 17:42.00 | simonlnu | we know. what's the device? type lspci -nn in a terminal |
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| 17:42.26 | nsadmin | then look for one line about your wireless |
| 17:42.29 | cyborg | im talking from ubuntu |
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| 17:42.32 | cyborg | is that ok? |
| 17:42.36 | nsadmin | yep |
| 17:42.55 | edbian | why when I ssh -X when I'm done and I 'exit' the session won't end? |
| 17:42.57 | cyborg | jj@ubuntu-Satellite-Pro-L300:~$ lspci -nn |
| 17:42.57 | cyborg | 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a40] (rev 07) |
| 17:42.57 | cyborg | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
| 17:42.57 | cyborg | 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a43] (rev 07) |
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| 17:43.46 | simonlnu | ... |
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| 17:44.00 | nsadmin | you should -look- for the ONE line that has to do with your wireless... -don't- paste the whole thing |
| 17:44.00 | cyborg | Sorry they kicked me |
| 17:44.01 | pnbeast | cyborg, do it again! I didn't see you get kicked the first time! |
| 17:44.18 | SushiDude | lol |
| 17:44.29 | nsadmin | pnbeast, not actually helpful :) |
| 17:44.34 | cyborg | wireless is Realtek RTL8187B |
| 17:44.40 | SushiDude | ahhgg |
| 17:44.42 | SushiDude | realtek |
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| 17:45.02 | SushiDude | HATES realtek |
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| 17:45.17 | cyborg | ethernet is Tealtek RTL8101E/8102E |
| 17:45.18 | wols_ | !rtl8187b |
| 17:45.18 | dpkg | Realtek 802.11b/g PCI and USB wireless LAN chipsets (RTL8180L, RTL8185L, RTL8187L, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180, rtl8187 and rtl8187se/r8187se drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x . For support of Realtek 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl819x>. |
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| 17:45.44 | SushiDude | http://ircbots.debian.net/search.php?q=realtek&term=key |
| 17:46.08 | nsadmin | that;s like listkeys? |
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| 17:47.03 | simonlnu | hm, so doesn't need firmware |
| 17:47.03 | cyborg | man, the thing requires internet! in debian i have no internet |
| 17:47.19 | simonlnu | probably something else. we haven't seen logs yet |
| 17:47.27 | simonlnu | *hint* |
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| 17:47.34 | cyborg | what do you want to see? |
| 17:48.09 | nsadmin | does the machine have wired ethernet? |
| 17:48.17 | cyborg | but i think everythings fine with the drivers, because it detects the networks |
| 17:48.25 | simonlnu | when it's trying to connect |
| 17:48.25 | cyborg | It has a port |
| 17:48.37 | cyborg | but i have no wire |
| 17:48.45 | nsadmin | so you don't have a cable... |
| 17:48.51 | cyborg | exactly |
| 17:48.52 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 17:49.19 | cyborg | so... |
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| 17:49.26 | cyborg | any solution |
| 17:49.34 | nsadmin | probably |
| 17:49.35 | cyborg | or i just uninstall debian? |
| 17:49.48 | nsadmin | that's your choice |
| 17:49.50 | simonlnu | hands it over to nsadmin, as he has to go pretty soon |
| 17:49.57 | nsadmin | ok |
| 17:50.02 | cyborg | but is there any solution?? at all |
| 17:50.04 | cyborg | ? |
| 17:50.15 | nsadmin | not immediately visible |
| 17:50.21 | cyborg | oh |
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| 17:50.42 | cyborg | well and may it be something about kernel? |
| 17:50.44 | nsadmin | you/we actually have to figure stuff out |
| 17:50.53 | cyborg | like what |
| 17:50.54 | nsadmin | maybe... |
| 17:51.07 | nsadmin | the first step |
| 17:51.15 | SushiDude | Kernel 3.0 fixed my realtek issues |
| 17:51.15 | nsadmin | which is determine the actual problem |
| 17:51.40 | cyborg | maybe SushiDude is right |
| 17:51.45 | nsadmin | what realtek do you have |
| 17:51.53 | cyborg | may you instruct me to install kernel 3 |
| 17:52.03 | cyborg | Realtek RTL8187B |
| 17:52.16 | nsadmin | and SushiDude? |
| 17:52.27 | SushiDude | It was on my netbook |
| 17:52.33 | SushiDude | is on* |
| 17:52.38 | joe8 | i have a raid 1 of my primary dirve (including the home directory). I want to add 2 * 1 TB hard disks. Any suggestions for what would be a good backup solution? |
| 17:52.42 | SushiDude | I am not on my netbook right now |
| 17:52.49 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:53.01 | nsadmin | does it do b/g/n? |
| 17:53.09 | cyborg | and may you give me instructions to pu kernel 3 without internet |
| 17:53.10 | SushiDude | yes |
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| 17:53.41 | joe8 | raid 1 of 4 drives and the other space as an extended partition? |
| 17:53.42 | nsadmin | which is a diff chipset from him probably |
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| 17:54.31 | cyborg | I think its kernel related because in older Ubuntu versions and older Linux versions the same happenned so I had to use Windows |
| 17:54.47 | cyborg | But in this new one it doesn't happen nor in fedora 15 |
| 17:54.58 | nsadmin | cyborg, on your ubuntu, sudo apt-get install pastebinit |
| 17:55.03 | wols_ | cyborg: no it's not kernel related. the normal debian kernel supports your realtek chip |
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| 17:55.32 | nsadmin | also, show us uname -r |
| 17:55.46 | cyborg | pastebinit is installed |
| 17:55.51 | nsadmin | also, show us uname -r |
| 17:56.01 | cyborg | 2.6.38-10-generic |
| 17:56.14 | nsadmin | ok, and your wireless is workign now? |
| 17:56.18 | cyborg | yes |
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| 17:56.33 | cyborg | at full speed |
| 17:56.39 | nsadmin | and uname shows that you are running an earlier kernel |
| 17:56.46 | nsadmin | not 3.0 |
| 17:56.51 | cyborg | i know |
| 17:56.58 | cyborg | i didnt update to 3.0 |
| 17:57.14 | cyborg | but maybe if i did on debian it could solve the problem |
| 17:57.28 | nsadmin | so, problem won't necessarily be solved by 3.0 |
| 17:57.41 | cyborg | but it can be, so i could try |
| 17:57.44 | cyborg | right |
| 17:57.48 | simonlnu | also an ubuntu kernel |
| 17:57.51 | cyborg | if theres nothing else |
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| 17:58.10 | SushiDude | cyborg, are you on sid |
| 17:58.11 | SushiDude | ? |
| 17:58.18 | nsadmin | I don't think it's your driver, and neither do you according to what you said |
| 17:58.20 | cyborg | what is sid? |
| 17:58.38 | nsadmin | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:58.39 | SushiDude | cyborg, are you on squeeze or sid |
| 17:58.53 | dury | wols_: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html what's Meta, in there? |
| 17:58.54 | nsadmin | he said earlier debian 6 |
| 17:59.09 | extor | I need to figure out a way of making Xen HVM work with memory overcommit. Any suggestions? |
| 17:59.13 | dury | geeesss :( doing my best |
| 17:59.29 | dury | can anyone help me please? |
| 17:59.37 | cyborg | u want to know the version of debian i have? |
| 17:59.43 | SushiDude | yes |
| 17:59.57 | nsadmin | oh, right forgot about that part... |
| 18:00.06 | cyborg | 6.0.1 |
| 18:00.11 | simonlnu | dury: sometimes mapped to the alt key |
| 18:00.15 | cyborg | i386 |
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| 18:00.33 | nsadmin | but before you go finding out about that, do this: /sbin/ifconfig -a | pastebinit |
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| 18:00.47 | cyborg | in ubuntu |
| 18:00.49 | cyborg | ?? |
| 18:00.51 | dury | simonlnu: it doesn't work |
| 18:00.51 | nsadmin | yes |
| 18:01.15 | cyborg | http://paste.ubuntu.com/658776/ |
| 18:01.30 | dury | simonlnu: could you assist me, please |
| 18:01.41 | simonlnu | dury: that's possible yes. you sometimes have to explictly do that |
| 18:01.52 | simonlnu | sorry, i gtg soon |
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| 18:02.17 | cyborg | http://paste.ubuntu.com/658776/ |
| 18:02.24 | dury | simonlnu: what you mean exactly? |
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| 18:02.44 | wols_ | dury: simonlnu doesn't know anything about Unity |
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| 18:02.47 | ikonia34 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.48 | ikonia34 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.48 | ikonia34 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.48 | ikonia34 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.00 | Jippi | wtf lol |
| 18:03.04 | SushiDude | ... |
| 18:03.05 | devil_ | haha |
| 18:03.07 | Black_Prince | er |
| 18:03.19 | friese | ok... |
| 18:03.21 | Jarpse | right. |
| 18:03.22 | lolmatic | what the shit? |
| 18:03.26 | SushiDude | These ikonia are annoying |
| 18:03.26 | semeion | stop spam please -.- |
| 18:03.33 | tensorpudding | just a spammer impersonating ikonia |
| 18:03.37 | olol85 | even windows 7!!!!111oneone |
| 18:03.50 | Jarpse | that isn't that hard, gee |
| 18:03.51 | devil_ | someone should tell this guy, bullshit does not turn to gol bay repetition |
| 18:03.51 | Hachya | what is this Trade chat? |
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| 18:04.17 | speedrunnerG55 | Omg spam |
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| 18:04.20 | SushiDude | lol |
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| 18:04.37 | Hachya | can't stand playn wow tho anymore :D |
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| 18:04.54 | nsadmin | spam he yam |
| 18:05.30 | cyborg | nsadmin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/658776/ |
| 18:05.41 | nsadmin | that's lsmod? |
| 18:05.49 | cyborg | ?? |
| 18:05.55 | cyborg | whats lsmod |
| 18:05.57 | cyborg | ? |
| 18:06.08 | wols_ | cyborg: iwlist wlan0 scan |
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| 18:06.25 | ewj | I'm trying to upgrade a server's OpenSSL install (running lenny) because of security issues, but aptitude doesn't seem to show any new openssl packages - any ideas what I might be doing wrong? |
| 18:06.35 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!ikonia*@*.*] by abrotman |
| 18:06.37 | cyborg | wlan0 Scan completed : |
| 18:06.38 | wols_ | !tell ewj about bat |
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| 18:06.38 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.38 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.38 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
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| 18:07.00 | nsadmin | well he's connected |
| 18:07.02 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.05 | wols_ | ewj: most likely you miss some entry in your sources.list for security.debian.org |
| 18:07.05 | abrotman | cyborg: wtf is wrong with you, stop pasting in here. |
| 18:07.06 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.08 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.10 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.12 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.14 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.15 | SushiDude | stop |
| 18:07.15 | nsadmin | stop |
| 18:07.16 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.18 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.20 | cyborg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.20 | ewj | ok, will check that |
| 18:07.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@bl14-241-45.dsl.telepac.pt] by abrotman |
| 18:07.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 18:07.30 | abrotman | cyborg: STOP PASTING |
| 18:07.41 | nsadmin | he doesn't know yet |
| 18:07.43 | abrotman | cyborg: msg me when you've figured out how to use paste.debian.net |
| 18:07.52 | abrotman | he's been kicked at least twice |
| 18:07.56 | nsadmin | he has pastebinit |
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| 18:08.01 | nsadmin | yes that's true |
| 18:08.07 | simonlnu | 3 times |
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| 18:08.36 | anoob | how could i change de quilt editor? (quilt edit file.ext) |
| 18:08.47 | abrotman | and then he quits? |
| 18:08.58 | nsadmin | no, left |
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| 18:08.59 | wols_ | you are a meanie. so what did you expect? |
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| 18:09.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 18:09.23 | Parsifal | anoob: According to quilt(1) (type "man quilt"), it uses the $EDITOR environment variable. |
| 18:09.27 | abrotman | wols_: yeah .. floding the channel is nice |
| 18:09.41 | anoob | Parsifal, i've changed it but it doesnt change the editor |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | flooding |
| 18:09.54 | Parsifal | Did you export it, or just set it? |
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| 18:10.03 | obiwahn | Arroyo1010: you want pae as it enables the nx bit (there are better ways but hell will freeze over before grsec patches will enter the mainline). and aslr gains a lot more security when using 64bit. |
| 18:10.07 | wols_ | abrotman: you're still a cruel oppressor of the masses! |
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| 18:10.17 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 18:10.25 | anoob | i've set Parsifal |
| 18:10.29 | anoob | what should i do now? |
| 18:10.49 | Arroyo1010 | obiwahn, thank you. So pae>amd64kernel? |
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| 18:11.07 | ewj | ah, wols_ thanks, I just realized this is actually an old (8.04) ubuntu install, that's probably the problem |
| 18:11.15 | Parsifal | Try either exporting it ("export EDITOR") or setting it in your .quiltrc |
| 18:11.23 | valdyn | Arroyo1010: no |
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| 18:12.05 | anoob | Parsifal, thank you |
| 18:12.06 | anoob | it worked |
| 18:12.25 | nsadmin | crasses opprool of the massor? |
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| 18:15.25 | wols_ | oldtopman: your silly /whois won't help you. the crapflooder has long been kicked most probably. it's simply someone who wants to annoy ikonia. and people like you make him succesd by doing the work for him |
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| 18:16.08 | thela | hi people |
| 18:16.19 | oldtopman | wols_: Sorry I'm whois'ing people |
| 18:16.37 | oldtopman | wols_: If you have a better plan, I'm all ears |
| 18:16.59 | wols_ | oldtopman: there is no plan. you cannot do anything against such flooding |
| 18:17.22 | wols_ | oldtopman: except learn what really happened so you don't go off on a rampage again like you did just now |
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| 18:18.01 | oldtopman | wols_: If I were a spammer, I would stick around to see what kind of damage it did. |
| 18:18.16 | oldtopman | wols_: My thinking is that he's still around here. |
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| 18:19.08 | oldtopman | wols_: I know how an IRC troll/bot works, so if you have nothing to contribute, please do not hinder my (probably fruitless) efforts |
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| 18:19.31 | wols_ | oldtopman: a spammer doesn't use the same IP for the spamming as for the checkup... |
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| 18:19.51 | oldtopman | wols_: Again, I am open to better ideas here. |
| 18:20.29 | SushiDude | oldtopman, are you the one whois me? |
| 18:20.34 | wols_ | there are no ideas |
| 18:20.37 | SushiDude | whoising* |
| 18:20.46 | obiwahn | Arroyo1010: get a 64bit kernel as wols_ suggested! |
| 18:20.58 | wols_ | SushiDude: everyone can /whois anyone and you won't notice since the server won't tell you |
| 18:20.59 | abrotman | oldtopman: just stop discussing it please |
| 18:21.13 | Arroyo1010 | thank you |
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| 18:21.25 | oldtopman | abrotman: Go yell at wols_ then. I told him everything short of shut up |
| 18:21.56 | abrotman | oldtopman: i asked you to stop .. isn't that enough? |
| 18:22.09 | SushiDude | wols_, Well I has whoised so many times it told me |
| 18:22.21 | SushiDude | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:22.40 | oldtopman | Fine. |
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| 18:22.48 | oldtopman | I'm sorry I asked if anyone knew who the checkup was |
| 18:23.16 | oldtopman | I'm sorry wols_ won't shut up and won't stop telling me why I shouldn't whois people. |
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| 18:29.06 | DexterF | I need a custom modeline. there is no xorg.conf. will a "device" section on its own be sufficeient? |
| 18:29.16 | DexterF | *sufficient |
| 18:29.30 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:29.45 | wols_ | nvidia and fglrx are loaded like that for example |
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| 18:29.51 | dermaster | hi |
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| 18:30.04 | DexterF | wols_: that makes it a lot easier. it's intel here tho. |
| 18:30.15 | FIReun | Q: where would I look to change the behavior of 'reboot' and 'shutdown' -- I dont like reboot just restarting a kernel esp when I need to boot another external drive -- and shutdown doesnt always shutdown, it leaves me hanging somewhere along the way. |
| 18:30.30 | dermaster | is debian good for desktop |
| 18:30.48 | DimmuR | imo it is |
| 18:31.02 | dermaster | maybe ubuntu better ? |
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| 18:31.47 | SushiDude | dermaster, if you want a very stable(and old) desktop |
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| 18:32.00 | dermaster | stable yes old no |
| 18:32.11 | FIReun | is not having a great debian day1 |
| 18:32.15 | abrotman | dermaster: yes, it's fine |
| 18:32.26 | abrotman | dermaster: i use it on multiple machines, and i know many who do the same |
| 18:32.27 | dermaster | and it musnt not be very stable |
| 18:32.30 | dermaster | ok |
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| 18:32.39 | dermaster | i hate on ubuntu the unity |
| 18:32.45 | dermaster | foir example the compiz |
| 18:32.57 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to set up an hp2300 printer over usb. I am totally lost cups does not recognice it right away. What do i have to do before trying to configure it from cups? |
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| 18:34.00 | valdyn | tharkun: just plug it in and turn it on |
| 18:34.06 | valdyn | tharkun: and be using a debian kernel |
| 18:34.16 | state | hello: i let my vps collect lots of dust and just upgraded from lenny to wheezy. everything has actually gone well -- except mysql. it wouldn't start at first, so i backed up and tried to purge and reinstall. the apt-get install fails: http://pastebin.com/CP5gZFnZ |
| 18:34.39 | state | all my data is backed up. i tried the few configuration tweaks that were recommended |
| 18:34.45 | valdyn | state: what exactly was purged? |
| 18:34.52 | state | mysql-server-5.1 |
| 18:35.02 | valdyn | state: thats pointless as far as i know |
| 18:35.13 | valdyn | state: the config files are in mysql-common |
| 18:35.23 | state | mm, that's good to know. thanks. |
| 18:35.45 | state | so best to go back and purge mysql-common? |
| 18:35.51 | valdyn | state: yea |
| 18:35.58 | state | thanks i'll try that |
| 18:37.53 | state | valdyn: okay, looks like the same error |
| 18:38.56 | tharkun | valdyn: ok, i will recheck the setup using a different computer |
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| 18:40.34 | jenev | i am currently using gcc 4.4.5 |
| 18:40.43 | valdyn | state: show us your source.list file and the output for "apt-get -s -f install" |
| 18:40.47 | jenev | if i want to downgrade to 3.x |
| 18:41.01 | jenev | do i have to re-download the entire toolchain |
| 18:41.04 | valdyn | jenev: thats not a downgrade, thats a different package |
| 18:41.13 | jenev | or just gcc? |
| 18:41.18 | simonlnu | why would you want gcc 3.x? |
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| 18:42.17 | valdyn | jenev: this isnt supported in squeeze or later anyway |
| 18:42.25 | valdyn | jenev: maybe not even in lenny |
| 18:43.03 | state | valdyn: looks like the sources point to squeeze packages, but /etc/debian_version tells me wheezy (as expected) |
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| 18:43.35 | valdyn | state: so who changed your sources.list back to squeeze? |
| 18:43.43 | nsadmin | jenev, binaries produced by that compiler may not work |
| 18:43.53 | jenev | why? |
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| 18:44.25 | state | valdyn: i actually changed them to squeeze thinking that's where i was headed. |
| 18:44.25 | valdyn | I dont even remember the last major abi change with gcc |
| 18:44.35 | simonlnu | several reasons, like abi compatibility, glibc differences, etc. |
| 18:44.58 | jenev | well it's for osdev reasons |
| 18:45.10 | jenev | so that may not be a problem |
| 18:45.11 | nsadmin | dev of what os? |
| 18:45.12 | valdyn | jenev: this seems very odd that you want an exotic compiler and seem to have no idea about possible issues |
| 18:45.15 | simonlnu | jenev: your code base there should be seriously updated |
| 18:45.35 | simonlnu | "osdev"? |
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| 18:46.02 | jenev | im using the l4ka::pistachio kernel |
| 18:46.03 | nsadmin | what happens when you try your project on uptodate compilers? |
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| 18:46.14 | jenev | and it doesn't support gcc 4.x yet |
| 18:46.34 | jenev | then the same code would run when built with gcc 4.x |
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| 18:47.30 | jenev | when support is added for gcc 4.x |
| 18:47.42 | jenev | i rebuild |
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| 18:48.34 | nsadmin | maybe the easiest thing to do is get a whole dist (which would be old) with the gcc you want in it |
| 18:49.18 | jenev | i see |
| 18:49.24 | nsadmin | second easiest is to build gcc source for the compiler you want (well, easy once you have read and completely understood the INSTALL file) |
| 18:49.42 | valdyn | jenev: 4.0 and 4.1 seem to work |
| 18:49.53 | nsadmin | that gcc will use the libs/binutils you have installed |
| 18:49.56 | valdyn | jenev: 4.2 too |
| 18:50.00 | jenev | valdyn, with l4ka? |
| 18:50.15 | valdyn | jenev: http://www.l4ka.org/98.php |
| 18:50.49 | valdyn | jenev: and 3.3 breaks |
| 18:51.10 | valdyn | jenev: this might be more a debian vs suse issue, not that much a gcc release issue |
| 18:52.02 | jenev | apparently so |
| 18:52.32 | jenev | but as far as i see all the debian tests fail |
| 18:52.42 | valdyn | jenev: right |
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| 18:53.27 | valdyn | jenev: the guys who did that site clearly have no idea about actual debian |
| 18:53.28 | jenev | so all those problem i've been having is because of debian |
| 18:53.29 | jenev | hmmm |
| 18:53.43 | valdyn | jenev: i mean, specifying "debian/testing" and no freaking date, thats silly |
| 18:54.21 | jenev | probably they go by the distro that comes with the respective gcc versions |
| 18:54.26 | jenev | shrugs |
| 18:54.39 | valdyn | jenev: debian always ships a few gcc versions |
| 18:54.45 | state | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/aJQHsgrF. Updated the sources.list and did everything again. same errors. |
| 18:55.10 | valdyn | state: i see unstable there |
| 18:55.24 | jenev | does suse come with gcc? |
| 18:55.35 | valdyn | jenev: like any distro |
| 18:55.52 | abrotman | why is he asking us? |
| 18:56.10 | nsadmin | jenev, you're blaming all your problems on debian?! |
| 18:56.15 | simonlnu | that k4 stuff is rather impressive |
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| 18:56.27 | simonlnu | l4* |
| 18:56.47 | jenev | nsadmin, no im not |
| 18:56.52 | jenev | well kinda |
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| 18:56.55 | jenev | but |
| 18:56.56 | nsadmin | hah |
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| 18:57.08 | jenev | i gotta go by what the site says |
| 18:57.15 | jenev | after all they made the kernel |
| 18:57.22 | jenev | :/ |
| 18:57.40 | valdyn | jenev: this is typical for university projects here, but we cant help you |
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| 18:58.25 | jenev | valdyn, what do you mean? |
| 18:58.25 | nsadmin | someone confirmed things are working with later gccs and pointed you to a page... you saying this: "<jenev> so all those problem i've been having is because of debian" came after that |
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| 18:59.01 | valdyn | jenev: it will only work with specific / possibly totally outdated versions of distro / compiler |
| 18:59.32 | nsadmin | are people still updating that project? |
| 18:59.40 | jenev | nsadmin, the page that person pointed me to, state that ALL the debian tests fail |
| 18:59.49 | jenev | and yes they are |
| 18:59.56 | jenev | 2 weeks ago |
| 19:00.02 | jenev | to be exact |
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| 19:00.19 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: latest "news" on that page is from July 2010, and the next one before that is Jan 2008... not very active it seems |
| 19:00.35 | nsadmin | ok, if that's the case, I guess you're preferring to run womething other than debian |
| 19:00.49 | nsadmin | som* |
| 19:01.12 | jenev | well it's at least worth a try |
| 19:01.22 | nsadmin | no question about it |
| 19:02.00 | state | valdyn: i figure those unstable packages were coming from the unstable source. i changed the source, but the unstable packages still show up. do i need to do something other than apt-get purge? |
| 19:02.34 | valdyn | state: im sorry, if youre using unstable i cant help you |
| 19:02.41 | nsadmin | jenev, another possiblity is to fork the project and fix whatever is needed to bring it up to date |
| 19:02.52 | jelly-fake | !test |
| 19:02.52 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 19:03.02 | valdyn | nsadmin: hah |
| 19:03.21 | state | valdyn: right. i don't want to be using anything unstable. are you saying that wheezy is unstable, or that the packages i'm trying to install are? i'd rather just use stable packages: so i updated my sources.list in a way that i thought would do that. |
| 19:03.31 | nsadmin | valdyn: tall order? |
| 19:03.36 | valdyn | state: wheezy is "testing" |
| 19:03.39 | valdyn | nsadmin: very |
| 19:04.01 | jenev | nsadmin, huuuh? |
| 19:04.06 | jenev | don't think so |
| 19:04.09 | jenev | :) |
| 19:04.18 | valdyn | jenev: youre studying microkernels? |
| 19:04.38 | nsadmin | notice you're saying that because you're -choosing- what's already existing... |
| 19:04.39 | jenev | im more of a hobbyist |
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| 19:04.56 | valdyn | jenev: with a cs degree or equivalent? |
| 19:05.08 | jenev | nope |
| 19:05.24 | valdyn | jenev: maybe you can have more fun with the hurd |
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| 19:05.47 | nsadmin | can't blame problems you're experiencing as a result of your own choice on debian or anything or anyone other than you! |
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| 19:06.32 | jenev | nsadmin, dude chill |
| 19:06.59 | jenev | if the debian test failed and the suse test passed doesn't that suggest something... |
| 19:07.20 | nsadmin | I'm just saying: take absolute and full responsibility for your choices... things will shift for you once you really do that |
| 19:07.37 | nsadmin | and for your own energy |
| 19:07.49 | twobitsprite | jenev: seems to be like it suggests it works on suse and not debian |
| 19:08.03 | tharkun | valdyn: did as told. The printer does get recognized by the kernel as per dmesg. Cups still cannot find it when told to look for printers. I'm missing something in between any pointer to that kind of info? |
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| 19:08.14 | jenev | point exactly |
| 19:08.39 | valdyn | tharkun: cups should list the printer on the usb interface like usb://hpsomename iirc |
| 19:08.47 | twobitsprite | jenev: your point was to state obvious tautologies? :P |
| 19:08.56 | valdyn | tharkun: doesnt mean itll work, but that would be a good start |
| 19:09.09 | jenev | the thing is im not saying it's not my fault for choicing debian, but yes |
| 19:09.14 | nsadmin | you could look at why it works on suse and not deb... and, if you do that, it will be your choice to do so |
| 19:10.31 | valdyn | jenev: looks to me like development as good as stopped in 2004 |
| 19:10.36 | jenev | yup, i intend to investigate |
| 19:10.39 | tharkun | valdyn: I know, thing is still no sign of life from the printer on cups. Googling at the moment for some weird parameter |
| 19:11.01 | jenev | valdyn, click on the download link |
| 19:11.15 | jenev | you'll se it wa updated two weeks ago |
| 19:11.21 | valdyn | jenev: yes, i can see that patches are commited |
| 19:11.44 | jenev | there ya go still active |
| 19:11.59 | jenev | you don't expect them to overhall it every month |
| 19:12.01 | valdyn | jenev: thats not really what it means |
| 19:12.04 | simonlnu | jenev: it me it suggests that suse and debian patch their toolchains differently |
| 19:12.14 | tharkun | valdyn: you scared the crap out of the printer. It finally made itself appear. Thanks a lot |
| 19:12.17 | simonlnu | 'overhaul' |
| 19:12.39 | jenev | simonlnu, thanks :) |
| 19:12.47 | nsadmin | it may be a small group of devs, who are updating the code "for each other" but not docs necessary for new folks to follow |
| 19:12.52 | simonlnu | and likely different build parameters |
| 19:13.02 | simonlnu | np |
| 19:13.19 | simonlnu | s,it me,to me, |
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| 19:13.59 | jenev | yea but the main developers won't post that code if they just like that |
| 19:14.22 | project2501b | hey has anybody attempted to use 4 lcd panels in portrait mode? how does the screen look like? i got 4x 24" Dells, the viewing angle is not so good. |
| 19:14.22 | jenev | if it were like you said then they would fork it like was suggested eariler |
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| 19:19.00 | RafaFuturo | so i got debian running with wireless suport im lovind it but i wont be able to install kturtle says to insert the installation cd |
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| 19:19.54 | devil_ | RafaFuturo: you want to comment your cdrom line in sources.list |
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| 19:20.05 | abrotman | and make sure you have a valid http source |
| 19:20.14 | devil_ | that as well |
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| 19:23.04 | project2501b | Debian: I'm lovin' it! |
| 19:23.24 | project2501b | i'm telling you, we got to put out a white paper on why debian rules them all |
| 19:23.32 | project2501b | and then go for advertisements |
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| 19:23.50 | devil_ | project2501b: the PR-Team wants you :) |
| 19:24.15 | project2501b | we got a pr-team? |
| 19:24.34 | RafaFuturo | yeaa |
| 19:24.46 | project2501b | let me guess: they saw the idiocy that pr is and went back to coding |
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| 19:25.32 | project2501b | devil_: here's my contrib to the pr-team |
| 19:25.33 | project2501b | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhrSqBgrHI |
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| 19:30.49 | an0 | Anyone ever grep with the -P option? I used 'time' to compare a search for a string in a 341MB log file with and without the -P option... |
| 19:30.55 | an0 | 45seconds without, 1.07 with. |
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| 19:31.16 | Justin | an0: a plain string? |
| 19:31.29 | an0 | Call me a noob, but I just increased my work productivity by nearly 45 times lol |
| 19:31.39 | an0 | Yes. |
| 19:31.43 | Justin | use fgrep |
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| 19:32.26 | an0 | Running... |
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| 19:32.54 | mjt | no, actually, set LANG to C and grep will be fast too |
| 19:33.00 | an0 | Umm.. 50 seconds. |
| 19:33.01 | shirish | hi all, I'm trying to document some 'unhelpful error messages' which gnu/linux users get either on the console or in GTK window which make most of us go crazy unless you know/google/ or/and are a programmer/developer. |
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| 19:33.23 | shirish | I'm sure there are quite a few. Can/does anybody want to share. |
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| 19:33.41 | abrotman | shirish: going through the BTS is probably a great way to find some :) |
| 19:34.15 | shirish | abrotman: true, but what or where I should be searching in the BTS, its just so big and diverse. |
| 19:34.32 | shirish | having some clues to what to search for would be good. |
| 19:36.09 | shirish | abrotman: I'm not a good debian bugs search guy. |
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| 19:37.52 | boudiccas | shirish; you can learn to be a good bugs search guy! just needs a bit of practise and persistence |
| 19:39.01 | shirish | boundiccas: true, but how. For instance I got this error 'An error occurred. Error was: You have to choose something to select by' |
| 19:39.07 | shirish | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?include=subject:'unhelpful+error+messages' |
| 19:39.27 | shirish | that was the link that was generated when I just put 'unhelpful error messages' as subject. |
| 19:40.12 | boudiccas | shirish; well that error message is very evident what you must do! Choose something! |
| 19:40.48 | shirish | boudiccas: but what/which package and at last count there are something close to 26000+ packages in Debian's repository. |
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| 19:41.44 | boudiccas | shirish; as i dont know the context in which the error message occurred i cant comment. |
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| 19:43.15 | shirish | boudiccas: I am basically looking for 'unhelpful error messages' as they occur in any applications, you know things like 'dropping event due to full queue' which is for the mouse but a generic/general user would never know that's it something to do with mouse. |
| 19:43.24 | ansgar | shirish: A fun error message: ls -l ./bash; ./bash â -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 811156 Apr 10 2010 ./bash; bash: ./bash: No such file or directory |
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| 19:44.03 | shirish | basically error messages that a newbie/general error message which users do come across but do not know and have to google the error message to know about it. |
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| 19:44.19 | ansgar | shirish: The file does exist, the real error is that no interpreter for 32bit binaries (on a 64bit-only system) could be found. |
| 19:45.39 | shirish | ansgar: that is something right up the alley. could you make the error message within quotes and the explanation after it |
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| 19:46.16 | shirish | also you see it in nautilus or in cli/gnome-terminal something. |
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| 19:47.32 | ansgar | shirish: The error message you see is "bash: ./bash: No such file or directory" (or similar, depends on your shell and what you try to execute) and you get it in a shell. |
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| 19:48.47 | Iridos | shirish, I think google "documents" those unhelpful messages as long as they're unique to a specific problem |
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| 19:49.29 | Iridos | (I mean you can just search for them and turn them into "helpful errors") |
| 19:50.06 | Justin | you can also submit bugs and get them fixed |
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| 19:50.30 | Iridos | err "helpful error messages"* |
| 19:50.32 | Eval_Sanchez | #phpmyadmin is not responding at all, anyone know where I can set a primary key to be another table's foreign key in PHPMyAdmin? |
| 19:50.44 | Justin | I filed a bug a while ago against "mount" when it still printed "..or too many mounted filesystems" which was never the problem, or even a potential problem based on the function it was calling |
| 19:51.16 | Iridos | nope, and that's /msg dpkg they don't know |
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| 19:51.27 | Eval_Sanchez | ok that was fixed, sorry |
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| 19:52.56 | shirish | Iridos: true, that's why I'm trying to find a few. maybe I could post them as bugs or simply atleast record them. We are having a users and hackers meet in a few days so maybe somebody could look at few of them and maybe post some useful patches, that's atleast the idea. |
| 19:53.45 | Justin | shirish: not 100% debian specific, but you can try here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=Triaged |
| 19:53.49 | ansgar | shirish: On the other side, I find Git's error messages often quite helpful. |
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| 19:54.35 | ansgar | shirish: It has a built-in spellchecker for commands: $ git comit â git: 'comit' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. Did you mean this? commit |
| 19:55.28 | shirish | Justin: as far as the issues are fixed upstream they should be good for not just ubuntu but all GNU/Linux distros. |
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| 20:01.28 | shirish | ansgar: git is a different beast altogether. |
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| 20:04.15 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: you might have more luck in #mysql, or they might throw you out |
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| 20:12.10 | shirish | does anybody know how to find the number of group/users in a running system. For instance few months back when i was playing with mythtv and had to configure stuff, had to know about 'mythtv' user/group . Does anybody know of such users and groups which are not known by average/general people when they start with a new application. |
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| 20:12.45 | TimmyT | How to export http proxy on terminal? |
| 20:13.10 | th0r | shirish: you can see the list of groups on a system in the file /etc/group |
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| 20:14.14 | vlt | shirish: Or from "getent group" (in case you store your users and groups in a databse instead of a file) |
| 20:14.30 | vlt | *database |
| 20:19.40 | TimmyT | How to set http proxy on terminal |
| 20:20.02 | shirish | th0r: vlt: in order to become member of a group what's the command, its useradd user'sname groupname ? |
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| 20:20.53 | streuner | adduser is default in Debian |
| 20:20.55 | th0r | shirish: I believe it is useradd -G username groupname. Be careful with the command and check the man page....if not entered correctly it will put the user ONLY in that one group and cause big headaches |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | !http_proxy |
| 20:21.36 | dpkg | http_proxy is, like, export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- it can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget (but not links/links2) - the trailing slash is important! Export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate. Note that http_proxy could be set from your preferences by your window manager, and can be set (manually or auto-detected) in your browser (e.g. chromium). |
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| 20:24.04 | mns | Does anyone get the "Not authorized" warning in pcmanfm when attaching USB sticks or your phone or camera ? |
| 20:24.31 | shirish | th0r: is there a GUI equivalent for useradd so far ? |
| 20:24.58 | th0r | shirish: I haven't found one thus far, and believe me, after taking myself out of every group I sure looked hard <smile> |
| 20:25.30 | shirish | ok. |
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| 20:25.56 | shirish | th0r: interestingly, why did you have to take yourself out of every group ? |
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| 20:26.12 | th0r | shirish: how do you think I know about the -G option> |
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| 20:27.23 | th0r | shirish: I was trying to add myself to a group, and missed that option |
| 20:27.24 | shirish | th0r: lol :P |
| 20:27.35 | shirish | th0r: ah ok. |
| 20:27.53 | th0r | shirish: you can add a user to a group by simply editing /etc/group, which might be an easier option |
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| 20:28.33 | Iridos | th0r, I was just going to say that... (/etc/group) |
| 20:29.06 | Iridos | extra points if you use vipw to do that |
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| 20:29.09 | jkyle | cdev |
| 20:29.09 | shirish | th0r: I actually didn't need it, I am actually in the process of making a presentation for 'issues in gnu/linux desktop domination' . |
| 20:30.22 | th0r | shirish: Personally I think such a presentation might be a good place to suggest a good user/group maintenance package. But please, not gnome or kde....make it desktop independent |
| 20:30.51 | Iridos | domination? |
| 20:31.10 | shirish | wasn't there some talk couple of years back of a search engine which will have screenshots of applications and what it does. |
| 20:31.29 | shirish | Iridos: I know we are far far from it, but say a forward looking statement :P |
| 20:31.48 | shirish | th0r: point duly noted. |
| 20:31.58 | Iridos | shirish, oh, I dominate my desktop all right |
| 20:32.39 | shirish | Iridos: I mean the 'GNU/Linux domination for masses' |
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| 20:32.58 | shirish | 'GNU/Linux desktop domination for/by masses and the issues that befall them' . |
| 20:33.16 | shirish | Still struggling for a good name for it but something like that. |
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| 20:34.20 | th0r | shirish: you know, for some of us old timers linux was an escape...a geek world where techies hid from the world. Maybe 'domination for/by masses' isn't such a good thing |
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| 20:35.00 | shirish | th0r: but then we can't leave the poor guys at mercy of the windows/mac stuff . |
| 20:35.40 | cusco | in todays days, one must be 'poli-capable' |
| 20:35.47 | th0r | shirish: well, they have windows and mac (and ubuntu). Maybe we could just reserve a little for ourselves |
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| 20:36.48 | th0r | shirish: consider....linux is already user-friendly. It is just a little fussy about who it makes friends with |
| 20:36.59 | anomaly | th0r, no worries.. no one is going to pull you out of your geek cave by your beard anytime soon |
| 20:37.01 | shirish | th0r: I think debian can be a bit more user-friendly. |
| 20:37.17 | shirish | anomaly: made my day :P |
| 20:37.52 | Woet | shirish: i can give you suggestions for the content of your presentation |
| 20:37.58 | shirish | th0r: if you feel like laughing you could take a look at http://piratepad.net/gnulinuxdesktop2011 |
| 20:38.11 | shirish | Woet: look ^ , suggestions welcome. |
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| 20:38.55 | Iridos | shirish, oh, I'm not that fat |
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| 20:39.48 | shirish | Iridos: ? when did I call you fat ? |
| 20:39.57 | Woet | shirish: 1) new kernels removing network drivers just because some people don't like the license of them, somehow believing that the user will blame their network card instead of linux/debian |
| 20:40.11 | Woet | shirish: 2) squeeze removing snmp mibs, same reasons above |
| 20:40.12 | th0r | shirish: most of the items I agree with. Regarding discoverability of programs, have you seen freshmeat.net? |
| 20:40.29 | Iridos | the comment was aimed on <shirish> Iridos: I mean the 'GNU/Linux domination for masses' |
| 20:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: The driver thing is more about cleaning up the licenses for the core release. |
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| 20:41.02 | shirish | th0r: I know that, but that's not a likely place for new people to go to. Also freshmeat.net itself is a big mess. |
| 20:41.09 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: In fact, I don't know of any drivers that have been removed, just firmware. |
| 20:41.53 | shirish | th0r: there is no possibility to know whether a package has been abandoned or is being working/constantly committed. |
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| 20:42.11 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: intel 82576 igb driver |
| 20:42.29 | th0r | shirish: agreed...there could be a better mechanism. I just mentioned freshmeat in case you hadn't known of it |
| 20:42.33 | shirish | th0r: unless one is a geek and is able to browse git/svn/hg/ whatever |
| 20:42.39 | shirish | the developer likes. |
| 20:42.48 | jhutchins_lt | Linux developers could learn a few things by running a mac for a few weeks. KDE time from log-in to desktop >90 seconds. OSX 10.4 <20. |
| 20:43.02 | jhutchins_lt | This is an old G4 vs a fairly new Atom. |
| 20:43.18 | Woet | i've been running ubuntu for 2 years, then switched to a mac |
| 20:43.20 | Woet | such a relief |
| 20:43.31 | Woet | no more editing xorg.conf just to get a second screen to work |
| 20:43.38 | th0r | jhutchins_lt: in all fairness though, linux was designed to be left running. bootup times have only recently become a hot issue |
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| 20:44.08 | shirish | jhutchins_lt: I think the time to desktop is an overblown issue, saying that though, I do know that there is some movement to have systemd as our init system atleast the noises are enocuraging. |
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| 20:44.44 | toD | hello |
| 20:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: 2.6.27+ |
| 20:45.18 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: which was not the default kernel for lenny |
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| 20:45.27 | jhutchins_lt | Well, what's the point in having a 12 second boot when it takes 90+ to log in? |
| 20:45.52 | HotPornYo | http://bit.ly/HotPornYo |
| 20:45.54 | jhutchins_lt | shirish: It's not an issue for servers (obviously) or most desktops, but for portable devices it is. |
| 20:46.04 | twobitsprite | !ops HotPornYo spamming links |
| 20:46.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: twobitsprite complains about: HotPornYo spamming links |
| 20:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | I've known servers that took several minutes just to POST. |
| 20:46.41 | jhutchins_lt | Woet: No, but it should be in .32, and as far as I can tell it's never been removed, just recently included. |
| 20:46.55 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: worked on etch, didn't work on lenny |
| 20:47.03 | Woet | and worked on squeeze again |
| 20:47.22 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: IBM blades are aweful for that... fully 10 minutes to initialize uEFI |
| 20:47.29 | krakrjak | shirish: I took a little whack at the first third. Hope it's useful to you http://piratepad.net/gnulinuxdesktop2011 |
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| 20:47.44 | shirish | krakrjak: noticed it, thanx. |
| 20:47.56 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: I'll see your blades and offer a 16 core 3090. |
| 20:48.07 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: We're talking HOURS to boot. |
| 20:48.09 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: never used those |
| 20:48.11 | twobitsprite | eeek |
| 20:48.15 | krakrjak | shirish: watch your tenses and the use of is/are. |
| 20:49.12 | shirish | does anybody know of any more examples of 'Not invented here' syndrome. I do remember two of GNOME (empathy and Epiphany) but I'm sure there are a few more, just cannot remember on top of the head atm. |
| 20:49.24 | shirish | krakrjak: English is not my first languge but do try. |
| 20:49.37 | valdyn | shirish: uh? |
| 20:49.42 | jhutchins_lt | Linux has dumped Gnome 3 for xfce. |
| 20:50.03 | valdyn | shirish: what is the "not invented here syndrome" ? |
| 20:50.45 | beardy | jhutchins_lt: Why does linux give a shit about such things you think? |
| 20:51.02 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: you meant linuS |
| 20:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | Er, I meant Linus. Yeah. Typo + brainfart |
| 20:51.22 | shirish | valdyn: ah ok. basically when some group 'invents something' which has been already invented (in software parlance) just because they want to have it under their control and one can see it does not bring anything new to the table that is called 'not invented here' syndrome. |
| 20:51.25 | th0r | jhutchins_lt: actually, Linus has dumped it for xfce, Linux hasn't |
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| 20:52.05 | gnarface | hey remember talk/ytalk. is there something for doing video conferencing designed to work between peers like that? |
| 20:52.09 | toD | i want install debian in my notebook, i am a begginer |
| 20:52.14 | shirish | valdyn: also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here |
| 20:52.21 | toD | witch version of debian do you recommend to me? |
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| 20:52.40 | twobitsprite | toD: latest stable release |
| 20:52.50 | twobitsprite | toD: i.e., squeeze, 6.0 |
| 20:53.02 | babilen | toD: You want to install squeeze (i.e. 6.0.2.1) -- Do you have a working wired network connection during the installation? |
| 20:53.05 | toD | which version of debian do you recommend to me? |
| 20:53.07 | toD | ok |
| 20:53.25 | toD | is it easy to install |
| 20:53.30 | babilen | !tell toD -about ig |
| 20:53.30 | valdyn | shirish: pretty easy to argue against epiphany being that |
| 20:53.33 | gnarface | toD: yes, but you should read the manual |
| 20:53.45 | toD | ok |
| 20:53.52 | babilen | toD: The best thing to do is to read the installation guide and ask questions in here if something is unclear. |
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| 20:54.07 | twobitsprite | !tell toD about install guide |
| 20:54.17 | toD | ok thanks u |
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| 20:54.39 | babilen | toD: You might also want to read the Debian reference later on. But back to my question: Do you have a working wired internet connection during the installation? What hardware are you going to install on? |
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| 20:54.43 | shirish | valdyn: I have been using and trying to use epiphany for the past 3+ years and till date I find it a bloated piece of **** |
| 20:54.49 | babilen | twobitsprite: ig == install guide |
| 20:55.12 | valdyn | shirish: ok, but im not sure what your dislike for it has to do with anything |
| 20:55.19 | valdyn | shirish: not like ff is less bloated |
| 20:55.21 | toD | do you think squeeze, 6.0 is compatible with hp pavilion dv7 4087 |
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| 20:56.23 | babilen | toD: I'll have a look, one second please. Can you provide more information about that hardware? Which processor is used? What graphic, network card? ... |
| 20:56.49 | shirish | valdyn: epiphany has just not worked for me. Believe me I have been trying. And its not that I like it or not, it just does not work (for me the way I like it). |
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| 20:57.15 | valdyn | shirish: sure, no point argueing about taste |
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| 20:58.06 | ekix | hi. is there any written instructions how to install and boot xen dom0 on current debian/wheezy? |
| 20:58.07 | shirish | valdyn: my use-case is use any browser but boinc (a volunteer computing project should work) and the desktop should be usable. |
| 20:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | ekix: #xen |
| 20:58.45 | ekix | jhutchins_lt, thanks :) |
| 20:58.59 | shirish | valdyn: all other browsers work. Whenever I turn on epiphany either the desktop becomes unusable or boinc suspends its computing . |
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| 20:59.17 | valdyn | shirish: ok, you found a bug, so what |
| 20:59.19 | shirish | valdyn: and this has been happening since 2009 on a p3, then a p4 and now on a dual-core machine. |
| 20:59.27 | valdyn | shirish: were really straying off my original query |
| 20:59.37 | babilen | toD: Given that it is a sandybridge notbook it might be that the network card is not support by the linux kernel version in squeeze. In that case you would need to use installation images with a newer kernel. I have, however, not found any specific information about your notebook yet. Do you have a good overview of the hardware? |
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| 21:00.09 | shirish | valdyn: ah, if you look at some of the discussions before epiphany came on, that was one of the reasons which were shared by number of people . |
| 21:00.18 | babilen | toD: If you do, indeed, need a newer kernel version you might probably want to use the installation images from kmuto, which install a stable system with a newer kernel. |
| 21:00.24 | babilen | !tell toD -about kmuto |
| 21:00.34 | babilen | !tell toD -about installation firmware |
| 21:00.41 | valdyn | shirish: the original implication might be that gnome should instead include firefox, but thats not even possible |
| 21:00.43 | Bushmills | t'would be easier if it was a yesbook instead of a notbook, of course :) |
| 21:01.02 | babilen | toD: After you've installed the initial system you should upgrade to a kernel from backports to keep it more current. |
| 21:01.06 | babilen | !tell toD -about bpo |
| 21:01.12 | babilen | !tell toD -about bdo kernel |
| 21:01.39 | shirish | valdyn: that was the idea yes but dunno why that is/or not possible. |
| 21:02.02 | babilen | toD: This might be a bit too much information for you to digest now, so please ask if something is unclear. Do you know which graphic card is used in that notebook? Is it an "Intel hd 3000" one? |
| 21:02.30 | valdyn | shirish: they cant use the trademark, they will not and cannot develop and support multiple GUI toolkits |
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| 21:02.58 | toD | babilen graphics chip is: ati radeon hd 5470 |
| 21:03.00 | valdyn | shirish: notice how no qt app is part of gnome, even though theres alot of good ones |
| 21:03.53 | shirish | valdyn: exactly my point. that's the old GTK-QT fued and the users are suffering. |
| 21:03.54 | toD | Microprocessor |
| 21:03.54 | toD | Intel Core i5-430M processor 2.26GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 2.53 GHz |
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| 21:04.04 | valdyn | shirish: no, users can mix |
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| 21:04.29 | shirish | valdyn: true. |
| 21:04.35 | valdyn | shirish: i do get your point though, but this isnt possible, no group of people has endless capacities |
| 21:04.37 | babilen | toD: Do you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation? |
| 21:05.31 | gnarface | so what would you guys recommend for multi-user voip? something like ventrillo but open source. bonus points if its simpler and can be run without a gui. |
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| 21:06.06 | valdyn | gnarface: what would be single user voip? |
| 21:06.30 | Woet | valdyn: talking to yourself |
| 21:06.34 | Woet | gnarface: mumble |
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| 21:07.13 | wols_ | valdyn: basically voicechat for a group. as opposed to a "phone someone" chat |
| 21:07.24 | valdyn | ah that |
| 21:07.41 | gnarface | valdyn: i was trying to avoid saying conference calls |
| 21:07.58 | valdyn | gnarface: since any sip client can join conference calls? |
| 21:08.12 | gnarface | valdyn: how hard is sip to set up? |
| 21:08.27 | valdyn | gnarface: client or server? |
| 21:08.39 | Woet | gnarface: again, 'open source' ventrilo is basically what defines mumble |
| 21:08.41 | valdyn | gnarface: client = easy, server = depends |
| 21:08.46 | shirish | so back to my original question, do people know of interesting/controversial 'not invented here'/duplicated programs says empathy and/or programs like that ? |
| 21:08.53 | gnarface | valdyn: well i'll have to be setting up both, and then convincing several other people to give it a try in place of skype so.... |
| 21:09.08 | wols_ | valdyn: has SIP sorted out its gazillion ports need? |
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| 21:09.17 | valdyn | shirish: neitehr gnome nor kde has any new or unique program if you look closely |
| 21:09.28 | gnarface | Woet: thanks i'm looking up mumble now |
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| 21:09.55 | shirish | valdyn: ah, lol. GNOME 3 itself. I do remember how it could have used quite a bit from KDE4 but they wanted to do everything on their own. |
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| 21:12.07 | odn | hello :) i can't find out the kernel-image package name... apt-cache search kernel-image don't help :s |
| 21:12.17 | valdyn | odn: linux-image |
| 21:12.20 | odn | smno do know it ? |
| 21:12.29 | odn | valdyn, thanks :) |
| 21:12.51 | valdyn | odn: debian supports not just linux now, thats why the rename |
| 21:12.52 | odn | i better know ubuntu... |
| 21:13.27 | odn | valdyn, ok ;) |
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| 21:15.06 | odn | valdyn, hum... even for the testing version ? i'm on a wheezy, my sources.list is correct, apt-get update works well |
| 21:15.19 | odn | E: Impossible de trouver le paquet kernel-image |
| 21:15.29 | valdyn | odn: linux-image! |
| 21:15.37 | odn | ... |
| 21:15.50 | odn | i'd better to go sleep... one day |
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| 21:16.36 | odn | valdyn, thanks again... 107 Mo, perfect... and sorry, i'm really tired... |
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| 21:18.21 | shirish | does anybody of a good GUI replacement which does cron like stuff. |
| 21:18.33 | rypervenche | Ooou, le français |
| 21:19.11 | NiLon | shirish http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/cronweb.htm ? |
| 21:19.20 | shirish | something where I can say to it, run 'apt-file update' every 2-3 hours whenever the PC is on or 'apt-file update' whenever net connection is there, something like that. |
| 21:19.47 | NiLon | that's abusing servers a bit |
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| 21:20.34 | shirish | NiLon: umm... I am looking for desktop use actually. |
| 21:20.58 | shirish | NiLon: and do not want to type unnecessarily. |
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| 21:21.24 | NiLon | shirish right, so pick something from that list |
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| 21:25.10 | shirish | NiLon: thanx, gnome-schedule looks great, but upstream looks dead. |
| 21:25.21 | shirish | would try the others ones as well. |
| 21:25.30 | shirish | NiLon: thank you for the link. |
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| 21:55.39 | shirish | does anybody of a nice GUI program to see which programs are running and being able to kill an offending program. I am looking for GUI based and no, htop does not count. |
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| 21:56.35 | Ville- | shirish: why htop is no good? |
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| 21:58.02 | shirish | Ville-: many a time I do not find the name of a runaway program, and even if I do find it, it jumps around a lot and getting the PID to kill it or killing the program takes too much time/effort. |
| 21:58.22 | shirish | Ville-: Looking for something like htop but sorta static and in a GTK window. |
| 21:58.34 | Ville- | aa okay |
| 21:59.05 | Ville- | hmm... i think i have seen this program |
| 21:59.24 | Ville- | it's defaultly installed in debian if you install it as desktop |
| 21:59.34 | Ville- | system monitoring or something like that |
| 21:59.42 | shirish | Ville-: right. |
| 21:59.44 | Ville- | i don't remember because i use htop... |
| 22:00.13 | devil_ | shirish: kde has ksysguard |
| 22:00.15 | Ville- | it had GTK window thing |
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| 22:00.37 | Ville- | yes ksysguard is also.. yea |
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| 22:00.52 | Ville- | it's for kde and comes with kde packet |
| 22:00.53 | Ville- | :P |
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| 22:01.45 | shirish | devil_: thank you, trying it out. |
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| 22:02.45 | mistform | I dislike my login theme. how to I change it? I downloaded a new one, but it says it's an invalid theme file when I try to drag/drop it into the Theme manager |
| 22:03.09 | shirish | devil_: ksysguard is really nice. Thanx |
| 22:03.43 | mns | mistform: what desktop are you using ? |
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| 22:04.01 | mistform | mns, gnome, I got the theme from gnome-look |
| 22:06.26 | mns | which theme did you get ? what is for the desktop ? was it for gdm ? |
| 22:06.47 | mistform | gdm |
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| 22:07.06 | mistform | lemme check real quick |
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| 22:08.12 | mistform | mns, yes. I went to GDM Themes and downloaded Arch Dark. Is there a different place I'm supposed to install it? |
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| 22:08.33 | mistform | mns, I went to Appearance and tried to install it there. But I can't find anything else related to the login, except to setup an auto-login |
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| 22:09.27 | devil_ | mistform: unpack it and look at INSTALL or README file |
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| 22:10.29 | mistform | devil_, no readme. only the pictures, an xml and .desktop |
| 22:10.48 | devil_ | no idea then, never used gnome/gdm |
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| 22:11.35 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
| 22:11.35 | mistform | devil_, the name of the one I used is ArchDark. Is Arch different from the usual gnome type? |
| 22:11.46 | mistform | maybe I'll just try another one... |
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| 22:14.22 | DeM0nFiRe | So if someone makes any additions or changes to debian, they have to be released in a manner that is in the spirit of the social contract, and it lists BSD as an example, so does that mean I could release anything like that under like BSD or MIT or Zlib or libpng or something like that? |
| 22:14.23 | mns | mistform: if you look at hte page for ArchDark . in the comments .. its the 2nd or 3rd comment from the top on how to install it ... |
| 22:15.01 | mistform | how do I enable the backspace button in iceweasel? |
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| 22:15.34 | mns | mistform: what do you mean ? |
| 22:16.02 | mistform | mns, to have it go Back to the previous page (when an input field is not selected) |
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| 22:16.41 | mns | mistform: 1. sudo gdmsetup 2. drag and drop the theme to the list 3. enjoy it :) |
| 22:17.18 | mistform | gdmsetup only allows me to set up an auto login |
| 22:17.20 | mistform | nothing else |
| 22:17.23 | mistform | nothing about the graphical login |
| 22:17.33 | mistform | where can I send you a picture? |
| 22:17.38 | mistform | I have a screenshot |
| 22:18.14 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh ok so then does this mean that changes would have to be released under an OSI approved license? |
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| 22:20.28 | EClaesson | I have a fresh install of Debian using CD1. How do i connect to a wireless network? iwconfig that i've used before is not available |
| 22:20.49 | nsadmin | how would I write an abs() func for intervals: how to negate, how to test for negative? |
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| 22:21.29 | nsadmin | nm, that;s for postgres |
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| 22:22.09 | mistform | mns, seriously. There is no place in the gdmsetup to drag and drop the file. It's just a simple window that lets me setup autologin |
| 22:23.52 | mistform | icefox seems really sluggish :S |
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| 22:25.45 | mistform | mns, http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6128/6010063112_c50504a2f2_z.jpg |
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| 22:27.00 | mistform | mns, that "Login Screen Settings for Super User" is all I get. there's nothing there. Do I need a different version in order to edit it? I have no idea. I was able to perform this easily in Ubuntu but I don't want to use Ubuntu |
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| 22:27.31 | totalshare | download his: VERO Ragazza 20enne BELLISSIMA.rar |
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| 22:35.00 | phuzion | I'm in the middle of dist-upgrading a system, and I got this message: http://pastebin.com/QhdqF7zh Can someone let me know what it means or how to fix it? |
| 22:35.11 | EClaesson | I have a fresh install of Debian using CD1. How do i connect to a wireless network? |
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| 22:38.39 | devil_ | EClaesson: that depends on your wireless chipset |
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| 22:41.54 | mistform | anyone bored enough to answer some dumb questions I have? |
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| 22:44.21 | mistform | like... I did man gksudo but what is gksudo really for? I guess reading about it without knowing the difference is the problem |
| 22:46.59 | TheWarden | What direction does one recommend installing MySQL Workbench on Debian? I've read to install all dependencies manually then install the Ubunut package but then others say to use source code to install instead along with dependencies. |
| 22:48.14 | boudiccas | TheWarden; ubunut? are you running ubuntu? |
| 22:48.52 | TheWarden | boudiccas: no I said I was installing it on Debian. |
| 22:48.58 | ompaul | and a deathly silence fell ore the channel while lips were bitten or quivered |
| 22:49.44 | boudiccas | TheWarden; so what is this 'ubunut' package then? |
| 22:50.37 | TheWarden | boudiccas: some say to use the ubuntu mysql workbench package on Debian |
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| 22:51.58 | dondelelcaro | mistform: gksudo and gksu are graphical frontends to sudo and su to start an X program as root without the need to start up a shell and run sudo or su there. |
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| 22:52.58 | mistform | ah, thank you dondelelcaro |
| 22:53.09 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: the best method would be to package it for Debian (or have someone do so) |
| 22:53.23 | dondelelcaro | (though frankly, I'm personally not to sure what the point of mysql workbench is) |
| 22:53.50 | mistform | dondelelcaro, I knew there is also a way to create a "root launchpad" you can drag and drop files/programs onto it to open via root |
| 22:53.59 | mistform | but I forgot :S |
| 22:54.02 | TheWarden | well there is no package for Debian as of yet. |
| 22:54.16 | mistform | and didn't use it a whole lot. then of course it's obvious I'm not a power user |
| 22:54.58 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: it's a GUI to allow one to maintain a MySQL database, create mochup schemas before implementing, etc. etc. Its a very powerful tool once one sees the power to it. |
| 22:55.16 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yeah, I write SQL directly, though... so I don't see the point |
| 22:55.22 | dondelelcaro | but I suppose it works for some peopple |
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| 22:56.03 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: well you mustn't work with thousands to tens of thousands of records then... |
| 22:56.23 | mistform | even DJ's get overwhelmed... |
| 22:57.23 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: try a few million |
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| 22:57.45 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, I also don't do much with mysql; I use postgresql) |
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| 22:59.34 | odn_ | does someone know how to setup a new user/passwd in a chroot ? a simple adduser doesn"t work :s |
| 22:59.35 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: I have... just gone over a million records reaching to 1.5 million. |
| 23:00.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the postgresql partition on this machine is right around 800G |
| 23:00.52 | dondelelcaro | but anyway, you can certainly get it packaged... you shouldn't attempt to install the ubuntu package on Debian, though |
| 23:01.52 | dondelelcaro | (select count(*) from subsnp; 143353717) |
| 23:02.17 | dondelelcaro | though I cheat slightly, because that's dbSNP, not a database which I've personally designed; I just use it extensively |
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| 23:06.49 | tp43_ | where the heck is avidemux package, and I tried to install openshot and I got all these dependency warnings which I never usually get on Debian |
| 23:08.57 | tp43_ | oh, I gotta add debian-multimedia.org to my sources |
| 23:10.57 | tp43_ | google earth messed things up here |
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| 23:15.17 | Gredeu | where is the debian wheezy support channel ? |
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| 23:15.55 | Gredeu | thanks |
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| 23:16.39 | TheWarden | greedo: see topic |
| 23:19.18 | zorrolero | !tell Gredeu about ask |
| 23:19.51 | Gredeu | i found it tank |
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| 23:26.09 | TheWarden | Where does one recommend installing software to such as NetBeans, Firefox, etc. that one installs vi source or packages not found within the standard means, software centre, synaptic package manager, etc. |
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| 23:26.35 | TheWarden | there must me a proper spot such as /opt/ or /user/local/ ? |
| 23:28.17 | th0r | TheWarden: I usually put firefox and thunderbird in /opt and link them to /usr/local/bin |
| 23:29.08 | TheWarden | th0r: yeah that's what I thought but wanted to know what is considered the proper way |
| 23:29.24 | TheWarden | maybe there is so many ways now there is no standard/proper way |
| 23:30.39 | th0r | TheWarden: well, don't know how much it is worth, but sigil, google earth, secondlife, and calibre all install to /opt |
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| 23:31.31 | TheWarden | th0r: yeah that seems to be the location as far as I can tell. Thanks. |
| 23:31.46 | tabakhase | grr @ nagios |
| 23:32.14 | tabakhase | sshd changed port, i changed the check too but "to late" so old ssh was shuddelt as "down" |
| 23:32.32 | tabakhase | now all services are green on the host, but the host itself remains red =( |
| 23:33.35 | TheWarden | good night all |
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| 23:35.32 | tabakhase | found =) |
| 23:37.05 | RafaelFuturo | what the best browser for debian? |
| 23:37.09 | baltazaar | anyone tried the 3.0 kernel yet? |
| 23:37.55 | baltazaar | RafaelFuturo, what is good for me might not be good for you |
| 23:38.28 | RafaelFuturo | lol i cant install flash that is why i ask |
| 23:38.58 | RafaelFuturo | how can i try it? |
| 23:39.08 | baltazaar | RafaelFuturo, you can't say lol in here. |
| 23:39.28 | RafaelFuturo | im sorry |
| 23:39.47 | baltazaar | RafaelFuturo, go to adobe.com and download flash for linux |
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| 23:41.01 | RafaelFuturo | should i get the rpm? |
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| 23:41.40 | themill | no... |
| 23:41.44 | themill | !adobe flash |
| 23:41.45 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 23:42.16 | daemonkeeper | Ehrm, no |
| 23:42.16 | daemonkeeper | !adobe flash |
| 23:42.17 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
| 23:42.17 | daemonkeeper | Exactly. |
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| 23:44.56 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. How do you recover a system if the drive that /boot was on was destroyed? |
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| 23:48.44 | RafaelFuturo | why does everything comes as a bz2 file how do i install that? |
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| 23:51.21 | dondelelcaro | RafaelFuturo: aptitude install bzip2; |
| 23:51.39 | RafaelFuturo | thanks |
| 23:51.42 | dondelelcaro | (or use unp or similar) |
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| 23:52.17 | baltazaar | RafaelFuturo, I suggest you take some time and read a little bit about Linux in general. |
| 23:52.49 | RafaelFuturo | yep that did the trick |
| 23:52.49 | baltazaar | good night |
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| 23:53.02 | RafaelFuturo | thanks |
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| 23:53.51 | majorgrubert | hello everybody |
| 23:54.21 | majorgrubert | I would be glad if somebody could help find out a solution to my problem |
| 23:54.31 | majorgrubert | I'm trying to install debian from a usb key |
| 23:54.45 | majorgrubert | I think I did everything by the book |
| 23:54.50 | majorgrubert | but my key won't boot |
| 23:54.51 | dondelelcaro | majorgrubert: have you read the install guide? |
| 23:54.54 | majorgrubert | yes |
| 23:55.06 | majorgrubert | what i did is : |
| 23:55.24 | majorgrubert | fdisk the key, remove all the partition, created a new fat16 partition, bootable |
| 23:55.30 | majorgrubert | then |
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| 23:55.57 | majorgrubert | copy the content of the file boot.img.gz |
| 23:56.10 | majorgrubert | and then copy the debian.iso to the root of the key |
| 23:56.11 | RafaelFuturo | make sure is fat32 |
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| 23:56.36 | majorgrubert | is it important that its fat32 and not fat16 ? |
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| 23:56.43 | majorgrubert | every tutorial says fat16 |
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| 23:57.17 | majorgrubert | any ideas ? |
| 23:57.47 | dondelelcaro | majorgrubert: you didn't run syslinux, nor did you actually follow the instructions in section §4.3.3 of the install guide. |
| 23:57.48 | RafaelFuturo | i thinks so im not sure but fat32 should be best |
| 23:58.11 | dondelelcaro | RafaelFuturo: fat16 is what you actually want, because some bioses are broken. |
| 23:58.27 | dondelelcaro | (or just suck) |
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| 23:58.32 | majorgrubert | dondelelcaro, i'll take a closer look at this and get back to u |
| 23:59.17 | majorgrubert | but i think syslinux is basically preinstalled with the boot.img.gz, no ? |
| 23:59.36 | dondelelcaro | majorgrubert: only if you zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/foo; |
| 23:59.44 | dondelelcaro | majorgrubert: in which case you don't need to create a filesystem |
| 23:59.51 | majorgrubert | i tried with zcat |
