| 00:00.06 | streuner_ | via dist-upgrade, of course |
| 00:00.07 | rickbol | I jsut did an upgrade. Should I install the meta-package now? |
| 00:00.27 | rickbol | oh. dist-upgrade! is it tooo late? |
| 00:00.33 | v0rtek | sorry now i get this wen trying to mount cd. /dev/cdrom on /media/cdrom no such device | any ideas? |
| 00:00.34 | streuner_ | well, i dunno if its installed, but dist-upgrade should do it |
| 00:00.45 | eviljoker | Is Iceweasel 4.01 in testing (Wheezy) yet or still a backport? I am hearing both yes and no. |
| 00:00.45 | streuner_ | rickbol: no... |
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| 00:00.59 | streuner_ | judd, versions iceweasel |
| 00:00.59 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; squeeze: 3.5.16-6; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-8; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-8; wheezy: 3.5.19-3; sid: 5.0-6; experimental: 6.0~b4-1 |
| 00:01.27 | rickbol | streuner_: I should dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:01.49 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | eviljoker: There's another repo -- mozilla.debian.net -- which might help if you want the current release iceweasel.... |
| 00:01.50 | eviljoker | thx judd that is what I am seeing too at http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:01.52 | streuner_ | eviljoker: 5.x is in unstable, just be patient... |
| 00:02.03 | streuner_ | rickbol: why not? |
| 00:02.35 | rickbol | It's running, mostly. having some issues, so I quess I'll give it a try. |
| 00:02.35 | streuner_ | rickbol: if the meta package is installed, it should do it auto... |
| 00:02.41 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | v0rtec: In /dev, are there any devices like: cdrom hdc sr0 dvd? |
| 00:02.47 | v0rtek | no |
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| 00:03.07 | eviljoker | utrrrongeeb_fenr, oh that looks nice. Thx |
| 00:03.17 | v0rtek | hdc yeah |
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| 00:03.59 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | eviljoker: No problem. :-) v0rtek: You're using IDE, or SATA with IDE emulation? |
| 00:04.27 | v0rtek | sata i think? sorry |
| 00:04.59 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | v0rtek: Any sda, sdb -like devices, or just hda hdb hdc? |
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| 00:05.17 | v0rtek | want me to reboot and what command should i run\ |
| 00:05.45 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | v0rtek: No. Is there a line in /etc/fstab beginning '/dev/hdc' or '/dev/hdc1'? |
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| 00:06.03 | v0rtek | i have to reboot to boot debian cuse i dont know |
| 00:06.23 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | v0rtek: Sorry, I have to leave the channel. Anyone else to help with this? |
| 00:07.14 | streuner_ | utrrrongeeb_fenr: nm, there are more than 1000 people here, about 99 percent idle, but nm... |
| 00:07.24 | streuner_ | hm, gone |
| 00:07.26 | v0rtek | hehe |
| 00:07.54 | v0rtek | im so close to riddingmy self of windows |
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| 00:08.52 | amphi | v0rtek: defenestration! it's the only way! |
| 00:09.08 | v0rtek | heh |
| 00:09.17 | DexterF_ | amphi: that goes mainly for "small screws phenomenon" |
| 00:09.26 | v0rtek | im gona reboot and get that info |
| 00:09.34 | v0rtek | brb |
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| 00:09.53 | streuner_ | that isnt a *good* step :-P |
| 00:10.19 | streuner_ | (reboot works for windows, but not (always) for Linux :-) |
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| 00:11.00 | streuner_ | (old habits die hard) :-P |
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| 00:20.06 | DexterF_ | streuner_: what's he doing there anyway? cdrom not there? |
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| 00:21.22 | v0rtek | ok i got my fstab now were to type the info? |
| 00:21.41 | DexterF_ | v0rtek: first you'll have to figure where your drive sits |
| 00:22.02 | DexterF_ | is it an internal drive or external? do you know if sata or ide? |
| 00:22.27 | v0rtek | no dont no if sata or ide |
| 00:22.40 | v0rtek | how can i find out? |
| 00:22.57 | v0rtek | i got my dell svc tag |
| 00:23.15 | v0rtek | i look it up |
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| 00:24.00 | azonenberg | hi guys |
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| 00:24.08 | azonenberg | Trying to find a binary package for 2.6.38 kernel |
| 00:24.33 | azonenberg | i'm running squeeze now but i have an XHCI controller that doesnt work properly on .32 |
| 00:24.46 | azonenberg | i tried the .39 package from sid, which works well with xhci, but also breaks another kernel module |
| 00:24.53 | azonenberg | .38 should make both happy but i cant find a package for it |
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| 00:25.17 | DexterF_ | v0rtek: well - how old is the computer? |
| 00:25.57 | G0d-servant | can install kvm on 32bit-OS? |
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| 00:26.44 | v0rtek | here bradcom g77xx gigabit intergrated controller |
| 00:27.03 | v0rtek | that what the dell drivers show for my comp |
| 00:27.27 | v0rtek | im in xp now |
| 00:27.54 | v0rtek | broadcocraigevil: m not brad |
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| 00:28.12 | v0rtek | broadcom |
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| 00:29.02 | v0rtek | im in xp i can look if needed? |
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| 00:31.09 | DexterF | v0rtek: well, you could check from system properties on what controller type that drive sits on |
| 00:31.22 | v0rtek | broadcom netextreme |
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| 00:34.28 | v0rtek | broadcom netxtreme gigibit ethernet |
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| 00:38.46 | v0rtek | dexterf: broadcom netxtreme gigibit ethernet |
| 00:39.07 | DexterF | uh... sorry, that's the anser to what question? |
| 00:39.25 | v0rtek | my network card |
| 00:39.44 | DexterF | umm. what about your network card...? |
| 00:40.49 | DexterF | v0rtek: you did not talk to me about your nic till now, I'm a bit confused what you are on about |
| 00:41.41 | v0rtek | DexterF: check your private msg |
| 00:42.26 | DexterF | v0rtek: from what I read you couldn't talk to your cdrom and were missing an fstab entry |
| 00:42.31 | DexterF | no word about network |
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| 00:43.08 | v0rtek | i keep adding it lol but just to makes shure what should i add? |
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| 00:44.15 | v0rtek | DexterF: i keep adding it but what should i add? the specific line |
| 00:45.25 | DexterF | v0rtek: well, like I said: first we should know what type of cdrom/dvdrom you have, ide or sata |
| 00:45.48 | DexterF | v0rtek: but first another thing: how many harddisks are in your computer? |
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| 00:48.03 | v0rtek | dexterf: intel ultra ata |
| 00:48.29 | DexterF | of so its an ide drive (ide=ata.. roughly) |
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| 00:49.08 | DexterF | in a terminal issue the command: eject /dev/hdb |
| 00:49.16 | DexterF | if that does nothing try hdc instead |
| 00:49.28 | v0rtek | then what? |
| 00:49.45 | v0rtek | cuase i have to reboot to go into debian |
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| 00:51.53 | DexterF | v0rtek: no chat client in debian...? |
| 00:51.56 | craigevil | better to remove the cdrom fstab entry, in kde/gnome/xfce it should work without a fstab entry |
| 00:52.05 | azonenberg | And lol, nvm on that... |
| 00:52.12 | azonenberg | .38 breaks XHCI for me |
| 00:52.19 | azonenberg | guess i'm stuck using .39 and not running vmware |
| 00:52.38 | DexterF | craigevil: hal or udev? |
| 00:53.17 | v0rtek | wint load a wm cant get that far |
| 00:53.52 | DexterF | azonenberg: vmware ws7 is my next item on the things-still-left-to-do-on-my-shiny-new-machine-list - what about it? |
| 00:54.22 | azonenberg | v0rtek: finch |
| 00:54.25 | craigevil | hal isnt used at all on kde/gnome/xfce in sid and maybe on testing, not a clue about stable |
| 00:54.27 | azonenberg | curses client for libpurple |
| 00:54.40 | rickbol | dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy completed, but now I have to get the broadcom wifi nic working again. Any advice? |
| 00:54.46 | azonenberg | DexterF: I'm running stable with a few backports and custom-compiled packages |
| 00:55.06 | v0rtek | finch? |
| 00:55.14 | azonenberg | v0rtek: command line IM client |
| 00:55.23 | azonenberg | DexterF: on the default .32 kernel vmware worked, but many usb devices did not work in vmware because i have an XHCI controller that wasnt fully supported |
| 00:55.30 | craigevil | cli version of pidgin |
| 00:55.43 | azonenberg | At least one of these devices now works natively in linux on .39 |
| 00:55.48 | azonenberg | the other i'm still setting up |
| 00:55.56 | azonenberg | however i still need vmware for testing stuff in |
| 00:56.03 | DexterF | v0rtek: the graphics system does not work? whoa... not the best start... |
| 00:56.16 | azonenberg | And the vmware 7.1.4 kernel modules fail to compile under .39 |
| 00:56.27 | v0rtek | no what? |
| 00:56.35 | azonenberg | something to do with deprecated spinlock functions that got removed |
| 00:56.46 | azonenberg | that vmware is still using because it was a workaround for an ancient RHEL kernel |
| 00:56.49 | azonenberg | bug |
| 00:56.49 | DexterF | <v0rtek> wint load a wm cant get that far |
| 00:57.02 | DexterF | wm = window manager or what? |
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| 00:58.14 | azonenberg | DexterF: There are some patches for .39 published but none actually work for me |
| 00:58.17 | v0rtek | yes |
| 00:58.44 | DexterF | azonenberg: where did you get them? gonna take a shot at it myself. (after I upgraded, I still have 7.0.x here...) |
| 00:58.48 | v0rtek | i dont know what to do lol |
| 00:59.42 | DexterF | v0rtek: me neither. currently I'd say you have bigger problems than the dvdrom drive. given you want to use this as a desktop computer, not a server. |
| 01:00.02 | DexterF | v0rtek: did the installation throw some errors about something not working? |
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| 01:00.33 | azonenberg | h/o this latest patch may be working |
| 01:00.39 | v0rtek | i don not know |
| 01:00.46 | azonenberg | http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/tumbleweed/460324-kernel-upgrade-2-6-39-30-desktop-breaks-vmware-workstation-7-1-4-64bit-4.html |
| 01:00.50 | azonenberg | patch linked in the second or third post |
| 01:00.52 | v0rtek | i just cant mount cdrom |
| 01:00.54 | azonenberg | compiled without error |
| 01:01.07 | DexterF | v0rtek: well, I'd say: like azonenberg pointed out: better boot debian and get finch working ("apt-get install finch" after logging in as root) |
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| 01:02.01 | DexterF | v0rtek: as long as you can connect to the internet all is fine. you can install programs from online repositories. we'll care about that cdrom later |
| 01:02.19 | v0rtek | cant not get a conection to the net nor can i mount cdrom in debian |
| 01:02.42 | DexterF | v0rtek: what cd did you use to install and where did you get that? and how old is that computer? |
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| 01:03.03 | v0rtek | 4 years |
| 01:04.01 | DexterF | v0rtek: should be old enough so there's no fancy new hardware, should be new enough to work just like that. and the install cd? |
| 01:04.08 | craigevil | no connection with wired or wireless? pastebin the out put of lspci -vv |
| 01:04.19 | DexterF | azonenberg: the patchv3 file, yes? |
| 01:04.31 | azonenberg | yes |
| 01:04.37 | v0rtek | i have to reboot to do that |
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| 01:04.46 | DexterF | azonenberg: thanks, that probably saved me hours :) |
| 01:04.59 | DexterF | v0rtek: wait |
| 01:05.02 | v0rtek | k |
| 01:05.05 | azonenberg | DexterF: It compiled |
| 01:05.13 | azonenberg | but my machine hung soon after starting a VM |
| 01:05.17 | azonenberg | i dont yet know if it's related |
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| 01:05.39 | DexterF | v0rtek: I know this is a lot for a newbie, but try to answer all the questions here. the more we know the more we can help. info is essential. |
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| 01:05.47 | DexterF | like: wireless or cable network? |
| 01:06.12 | v0rtek | dsl |
| 01:06.13 | DexterF | like: what install cd did you use and where did you get it |
| 01:06.27 | v0rtek | i dont know sorry |
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| 01:06.57 | v0rtek | my cdrom wont mount |
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| 01:07.02 | DexterF | v0rtek: no, I mean: does your computer connect to your dsl hardware via a cable or wireless? |
| 01:07.30 | v0rtek | in winblows yes byt debian no |
| 01:07.51 | v0rtek | dsl hardware |
| 01:08.10 | v0rtek | my router shlash modem |
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| 01:08.28 | dvs | v0rtek: Do you connect a wire to your computer? |
| 01:08.34 | v0rtek | well ethernet not modem |
| 01:08.37 | v0rtek | yes |
| 01:08.48 | v0rtek | my dsl line ethernet |
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| 01:08.51 | dvs | hands the mic back to DexterF |
| 01:09.02 | DexterF | dvs: not sure I want it |
| 01:09.08 | v0rtek | lol |
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| 01:09.39 | DexterF | v0rtek: yes/no-question: is your computer connected to your dsl modem/router-thingy with an ethernet cable? |
| 01:09.56 | v0rtek | yes |
| 01:10.02 | DexterF | ok |
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| 01:10.46 | v0rtek | moterola netopia |
| 01:11.19 | DexterF | v0rtek: when you installed linux, when you boot into linux, what does the boot menu offer? window xp and.. then what? debian linux 6? |
| 01:12.51 | v0rtek | boot menu winxp |
| 01:12.57 | v0rtek | and debian |
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| 01:13.55 | v0rtek | im trying to use the one that google show for goodbye microsoft |
| 01:14.44 | boudiccas | v0rtek; url please? |
| 01:14.55 | craigevil | download the netinstall cd you will have fewer issues |
| 01:15.14 | DexterF | http://goodbye-microsoft.com <- this? |
| 01:15.28 | craigevil | !goodbye microsoft |
| 01:15.28 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:15.53 | v0rtek | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 01:16.45 | DexterF | craigevil: results in a regular deb installation? |
| 01:17.16 | v0rtek | my cdrom just wont mount |
| 01:17.26 | craigevil | more or less its similar to ubuntu's wubi |
| 01:17.57 | v0rtek | so what shall i do? im lost |
| 01:18.46 | DexterF | v0rtek: I am, too. to be honest: I'd suggest to get a regular debian netinst CD and start over again. but that's just my 0.02 |
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| 01:18.57 | v0rtek | k |
| 01:19.20 | DexterF | v0rtek: that installation seems somewhat hosed. a 4 year old machine should work perfectly liek that umless you have seriously weird hardware |
| 01:19.29 | boudiccas | v0rtek; can you boot from the cd? |
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| 01:19.43 | v0rtek | y |
| 01:20.17 | DexterF | v0rtek: it would be interesting what network card you have (from the output of lspci, look for "Ethernet" and what video card) |
| 01:20.40 | boudiccas | v0rtek; well? can you boot from the cd?? |
| 01:21.01 | v0rtek | what cd image should i use |
| 01:21.13 | DexterF | boudiccas: he said "y", take it that's supposed to mean yes.... |
| 01:21.19 | DexterF | v0rtek: sec... |
| 01:21.22 | v0rtek | k |
| 01:21.25 | v0rtek | :) |
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| 01:21.31 | dvs | v0rtek: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 01:22.00 | DexterF | v0rtek: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 01:22.05 | DexterF | :D |
| 01:22.12 | dvs | heh |
| 01:22.26 | v0rtek | wich dir should i go to ? |
| 01:22.28 | dvs | you're wrong! |
| 01:22.53 | DexterF | dvs: huh? |
| 01:23.11 | dvs | DexterF: jk |
| 01:23.20 | DexterF | v0rtek: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:23.21 | dvs | v0rtek: "current" would be a start. |
| 01:23.26 | DexterF | the iso in there |
| 01:24.51 | v0rtek | sok |
| 01:24.54 | v0rtek | dln now |
| 01:24.54 | DexterF | dvs: that iso would have saved me a good deal worth of nerves... |
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| 01:25.23 | boudiccas | v0rtek; dln? |
| 01:25.39 | v0rtek | downloading |
| 01:25.52 | DexterF | v0rtek: that installer will probably ask you some questions about where to install and what partitions to use. your windows is probably on /dev/hda1 (or /dev/sda1) so *dont overwrite that*. |
| 01:26.19 | v0rtek | k |
| 01:26.21 | DexterF | v0rtek: be sure what's what. do you have more than one partiton or even hard dsik for windows? |
| 01:26.38 | v0rtek | 1 hardrive |
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| 01:27.08 | DexterF | v0rtek: if you wanna be sure: make backups. |
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| 01:27.35 | v0rtek | nah i got my cds for xp and network card driver |
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| 01:28.46 | spersaud | how can I combine x number of text files into one ? |
| 01:29.07 | dondelelcaro | cat foo bar baz > bleh.txt |
| 01:29.34 | spersaud | dondelelcaro: really .. thats gool |
| 01:29.42 | v0rtek | hah C: and x: boh have xp exect same file |
| 01:30.03 | v0rtek | exactly the same size and same files |
| 01:31.20 | spersaud | dondelelcaro: will that maintain sequential order ? |
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| 01:31.55 | DexterF | v0rtek: you got a driver cd for the network card? does it tell brand and model? |
| 01:32.01 | dondelelcaro | spersaud: all it does is read foo, then bar, then baz, outputing the contents of each to STDOUT, which the shell redirects to a file called bleh.txt. |
| 01:32.12 | dondelelcaro | spersaud: man cat; man bash; for details. |
| 01:32.24 | v0rtek | broadcom nextextreme |
| 01:32.40 | DexterF | spersaud: so: they have the order in which you state them |
| 01:32.57 | spersaud | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 01:33.05 | v0rtek | netextreme i mean |
| 01:33.18 | DexterF | anyone know if that braodcom nic needs firmware? I think I heard something like that about this one and debian 6 |
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| 01:33.42 | v0rtek | \well im dll the iso |
| 01:34.01 | dvs | DexterF: If he downloads that ISO, it won't matter. |
| 01:34.26 | DexterF | dvs: quick google check: bulls eye, that nix need FW |
| 01:34.28 | DexterF | *nic |
| 01:34.31 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: some of them do, and some of them don't; depends. |
| 01:35.45 | v0rtek | ahh burning the cd |
| 01:35.48 | DexterF | v0rtek: one mystery solved: your nic (network interface card, unix people are lazy ;) )needs some firmware that debian doesn't ship for attit^W license reasons |
| 01:36.10 | v0rtek | hehe im dling iso now |
| 01:36.22 | v0rtek | wnna hear my hacker rap? |
| 01:36.30 | DexterF | but since you just got the evil unofficial iso with anti-free firmware... |
| 01:36.31 | dvs | v0rtek: I thought you were just burning it? |
| 01:36.35 | DexterF | v0rtek: no |
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| 01:37.54 | v0rtek | ok iso burnt |
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| 01:38.25 | DexterF | by the way: are intel usb3 controllers not supported? I got a pci dev id 1b6f:7023 but does not seem to work with a 2.6.39 |
| 01:38.36 | v0rtek | im afraid to reboot lol |
| 01:38.46 | DexterF | v0rtek: man up :D |
| 01:38.52 | v0rtek | ok wish me luck lol |
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| 01:39.07 | dvs | DexterF: an Intel device that does not start with 8086? |
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| 01:40.04 | DexterF | dvs: hm.. maybe Etron rather... |
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| 01:40.21 | DexterF | wasnt aware the board had a dedicated chip |
| 01:40.27 | aidalgol | GDM doesn't let me create a new session anymore. It just goes back to my existing session. Isn't it supposed to allow multiple (X) logins? |
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| 01:48.15 | DexterF | great. etron ej168a, not supported yet |
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| 01:51.09 | v0rtek | man ! lol |
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| 01:51.43 | karlpinc | aidalgol: I think it only does that if you run it on multiple vt-s. |
| 01:51.46 | v0rtek | now what should i do? lol wont mount the cdrom in debian |
| 01:51.55 | gnarface | haproxy scales shitty on multi-core systems? clearly. what to use instead though? i'd vote for dns round-robin but people want shit like stats or something |
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| 01:51.59 | aidalgol | karlpinc: Oh, darn... |
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| 01:52.06 | karlpinc | aidalgol: Simple enough to do. |
| 01:52.50 | karlpinc | aidalgol: "session" is an overloaded term, so it's hard to say what allows what and I've not cared enough to know. |
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| 01:53.56 | karlpinc | v0rtek: "won't mount" isn't useful information for us. What did you type and what did it say in response? ("See the <errors> factoid."). |
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| 01:55.02 | v0rtek | could you give me the commsnd cuase im typiint mount /dev/cdrom e and mount /cdrom |
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| 01:56.50 | karlpinc | v0rtek: That only works if there'a already a line in /etc/fstab. (Dunno if there is.) Try "mount /dev/cdrom /mnt" to mount it on /mnt (usually such stuff mounts on /media/cdrom or /media/cdrom0 or some such.) You need the right device though. I don't know what's in /dev or dmesg says about what exists. |
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| 01:58.45 | v0rtek | how can i acess debian while in windows ? this would make things easier |
| 01:59.06 | dbb0 | mount |
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| 02:02.14 | v0rtek | bbl hapefull with debian :) |
| 02:02.21 | acx0 | is there a DE independent program that auto-mounts usb sticks as they're plugged in? |
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| 02:10.16 | karlpinc | acx0: The usbmount package. (The debtags package is your friend too.) |
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| 02:10.59 | karlpinc | acx0: I think it has a useful readme.debian too. |
| 02:11.05 | karlpinc | !tell acx0 about readme.debian |
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| 02:13.03 | v0rtek|2 | ok i got pen and paper what do i do to mount my cdrom |
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| 02:14.45 | acx0 | karlpinc, okay thanks, i just ended up writing a shitty shell script that would parse the output of fdisk -l and would mount things |
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| 02:22.02 | v0rtek | no such device when trying to mount |
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| 02:24.45 | karlpinc | v0rtek: You have the debian system running on another box? |
| 02:24.57 | DexterF | v0rtek: what command line do you use to mount? |
| 02:25.04 | v0rtek | this one dual boot |
| 02:25.17 | v0rtek | mount /dev/cdrom |
| 02:25.31 | karlpinc | acx0: When you install the usbmount package it "just works". (It uses udev.) You may want to give up your custom scripts. |
| 02:25.55 | karlpinc | v0rtek: What is your real problem? (I'm late here, gotta go, and haven't read the backstory.) |
| 02:26.37 | acx0 | karlpinc, okay, thanks for the info |
| 02:26.41 | v0rtek | cant mount my cdrom |
| 02:26.47 | DexterF | v0rtek: ah, now I see what they mean about fstab... you could try mount /dev/cdrom /mnt for example or cdrom0 instead of cdrom. mayve it's even dvd. /dev/scd could be worth a shot, too. |
| 02:27.36 | DexterF | v0rtek: essentialy, you should login as root and: cd /dev then ls and look for some device nema that looks like cd or dvd |
| 02:27.43 | DexterF | all devices are in /dev |
| 02:27.58 | DexterF | v0rtek: so you did not get any further with that install cd? |
| 02:29.18 | v0rtek | name it wont mount |
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| 02:30.02 | v0rtek | isnt ther a way to load debian while im in windpws? |
| 02:30.24 | v0rtek | troubleshooting would be easier |
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| 02:31.34 | lizinhos | After boot, my system stuck on a black screen, but the services is started I can made a ssh connection on this machine but I don't understand why the login screen never appear, can anyone help me? |
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| 02:37.21 | uiopqwer | is there a way to use one terminal to redraw the screen of another terminal? |
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| 02:40.15 | jmarsden | uiopqwer: ttysnoop |
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| 02:44.51 | nand` | Does anybody know how decent 10-bit graphics device support is under Linux? |
| 02:45.01 | RafaFuturo | not me |
| 02:45.01 | nand` | Are the generic VESA drivers capable of it? What about fglrx? |
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| 02:47.49 | Guest88217 | !!FREENODERS GONE WILD!! WATCH KLOERI TEACH FREENODERS HOW TO SUCK DICK FOR STAFF FAVORS / SEE HOW MRMIST GOT HIS OLINE, HINT IT REQUIRED LIVING UNDER LOREZ'S DESK FOR A SUMMER/SEE HIDDEN FOOTAGE FROM THE PDPC / CANONICAL GAY ORGY / SEE NIKO LOSE HIS VIRGINITY TO A 400LB BLACK MAN. CALL NOW! (405) 949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH, SHIPPING IS FREE !!FREENODERS GONE WILD!! Guest88217 sythe nand` tensorpudding skrewler zendeavor RafaF |
| 02:47.49 | dpkg | Guest88217: what are you talking about? |
| 02:48.23 | tensorpudding | dpkg: that's a good question |
| 02:48.23 | dpkg | tensorpudding: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:48.41 | tensorpudding | how eerily intelligent, for a bot |
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| 02:48.55 | nand` | heh |
| 02:49.06 | nand` | I've seen much creepier dialogs from bots before |
| 02:49.13 | nand` | It's like they know what's going on inside your head |
| 02:49.30 | DexterF | uiopqwer: if you need something like vnc for terminals: read up on "screen" |
| 02:50.24 | DexterF | v0rtek: you could try linux in a VM for starters. to get a feel of the system, learn basics. then when your kung-fu is hot go for the real thing |
| 02:50.58 | DexterF | v0rtek: but then again you cannot use a VM to spy on your hardware as it is a VM... |
| 02:51.39 | nand` | Keep in mind that device support for VM devices is usually awful |
| 02:52.09 | nand` | Or so have been my experiences. virtualbox tended to fare better than vmware though (for running eg. Gnome 3) |
| 02:52.37 | DexterF | v0rtek: what we really need is your hardware list as lspci -vvv tells. I suggest you get yourself a live CD like maybe knoppix. then redirect lspci to a file: lspci -vvv > infofile.txt save that to a usb stick, boot windows, come here, show us that file |
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| 02:53.05 | DexterF | v0rtek: and if *knoppix* doesnt boot to a graphical system... get a new friggin computer :D |
| 02:53.19 | DexterF | v0rtek: what video card you got there anyway? |
| 02:53.20 | v0rtek | lol |
| 02:53.37 | v0rtek | nvidia 6800 ultra |
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| 02:54.48 | uiopqwer | DexterF: i have a custom trap in my bashrc that sends a command to all open terminals. i lose the bash prompt in each terminal and have to manually hit enter to get it back. |
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| 02:55.59 | v0rtek | i could compile my own kernel |
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| 02:58.58 | v0rtek | hrm how do i do that i know how but how do i get to it |
| 02:59.25 | DexterF | v0rtek: try walking. we'll discuss traveling at light speed later. |
| 02:59.43 | v0rtek | nice |
| 03:00.05 | DexterF | 6800u should at least get you a vesa display. seriously, try what I told about lspci and knoppix firt |
| 03:00.26 | DexterF | sun's coming up, gotta run or I crumble to dust |
| 03:00.28 | DexterF | by all |
| 03:00.33 | DexterF | bye even |
| 03:00.38 | v0rtek | were do i get knoppix lol ill searcg |
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| 03:01.21 | hikenboot | anyone in here use debian and open exchange? |
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| 03:03.11 | mogglefrange | Hi, I'm having a fairly annoying issue with my x200s thinkpad: about 20% of the time when I resume from suspend to RAM, the screen is "blank" |
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| 03:03.40 | mogglefrange | in that, the backlight doesn't turn on. I can tilt it and see all my content, interact with stuff, etc. it is useless for work though. |
| 03:04.21 | mogglefrange | I've tried switching to a tty, and I've tried adding the intel.max_cstate=0 kernel boot parameter. |
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| 03:06.31 | mogglefrange | I have not tried adding the acpi_sleep=s3bios boot parameter, because it is supposed to be deperacated, according to this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume#Solution_for_ThinkPads_with_1400x1050_internal_LCD_and_Intel_915GM |
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| 03:06.53 | mogglefrange | I am running debian squeeze. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks. |
| 03:07.09 | mogglefrange | (everything else works really well) |
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| 03:13.10 | sedulous | if you want an easy way to simulate the gentoo feeling, run debian in an ARM emulator |
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| 03:13.31 | sedulous | (and install the default desktop) |
| 03:14.12 | sedulous | is pearpc faster than qemu with the ppc target? |
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| 03:31.57 | zappus | hello everyone |
| 03:32.15 | zappus | how can i set up a system wide proxy without using GUI? |
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| 03:34.52 | dondelelcaro | zappus: proxy for what? |
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| 03:35.10 | zappus | i have a tor daemon running on my system |
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| 03:35.23 | zappus | i want to tunnel all outgoing frames through it |
| 03:35.27 | zappus | and not just the browser |
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| 03:36.33 | dondelelcaro | zappus: see |
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| 03:36.39 | dondelelcaro | zappus: see https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TransparentProxy |
| 03:37.07 | zappus | okay thanks alot |
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| 03:58.14 | Wally | how does one change their password in debian? |
| 03:58.27 | Wally | oh of course. |
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| 04:09.21 | mcurran | was that a sarcastic "oh of course" cause there was no reply, or did you figure it out already? |
| 04:09.44 | Wally | I figured it out :) |
| 04:10.01 | Wally | I was lookign in administration for some reason o_O |
| 04:10.04 | simonlnu | pretty obvious when you try =) |
| 04:10.17 | Wally | simonlnu: Not when you're used to Mac OS X :P |
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| 04:11.00 | Wally | I'm using Debian as a VM |
| 04:11.38 | Wally | brb |
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| 04:14.02 | brah | What is 'the Debian way' to install x86 packages on amd64? |
| 04:16.46 | simonlnu | mac os x has `passwd' too ;p |
| 04:17.01 | jmarsden | !tell brah about multiarch |
| 04:17.29 | brah | Thanks. Let's see. |
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| 04:36.25 | brah | jmarsden: How functional is this? I'm trying to install x11proto-video-dev:i386, packages.debian.org says it's available on all architectures, apt-get says unavailable but referenced. |
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| 04:36.40 | jmarsden | brah: I |
| 04:37.36 | brah | You? |
| 04:38.15 | jmarsden | I'm not sure how functional it all is yet in Debian. Ubuntu is further along with implementing it, as I understand it. But ... why would you want to run i386 code for your X server, that should be available for amd64 anyway!? |
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| 04:38.43 | jmarsden | ,versions x11proto-video-dev |
| 04:38.45 | judd | Package x11proto-video-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.2-5; squeeze: 2.3.0-1; sid: 2.3.1-1; wheezy: 2.3.1-1 |
| 04:39.42 | brah | Technically I'm not trying to run anything, since those are development headers. |
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| 04:40.16 | brah | I need an i386 version of xorg-dev to compile wine. |
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| 04:42.13 | jmarsden | -dev packages often have libraries in them as well as headers, but OK... it's probably simpler to run a 32bit virtual machine and do it in there, than figure out how to get 32bit development working on an amd64 host. Is that practical for you? |
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| 04:42.54 | brah | No, was just trying to get this to work the correct way. It's okay. |
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| 04:47.04 | cnz | why does grub fail to install to the mbr so much? |
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| 04:51.07 | brah | jmarsden: Maybe you can help me with this otherwise. checking for X... no configure: error: X 32-bit development files not found. |
| 04:52.06 | jmarsden | well, if you want to hack around it, you can edit the configure script to look for the 64bit version instead and see if it works, I suppose... |
| 04:53.18 | brah | I used to be able to compile this on amd64, many moons ago. |
| 04:53.22 | asdjaputra | cnz, what did you do? |
| 04:53.29 | brah | In fact I can still make install old dirs, but if I try to configure them they fail. |
| 04:54.33 | jmarsden | brah: OK... so someone tightened up the autotools checks, it would seem. But ... you can fire up virtualbox in <15 minutes and have a 32bit Debian install inside it in <30 minutes... assuming your 64bit machine has plenty of RAM. |
| 04:55.31 | brah | I'm gonna try to compile it using amd64 libs instead. Somebody has got to get this working. |
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| 04:58.10 | Alam_Squeeze | brah: still trying to compile Wine? |
| 04:58.26 | brah | Yes. The 32 bit version on amd64. |
| 04:58.37 | Alam_Squeeze | did you install ia32-libs-dev? |
| 04:58.52 | brah | No. |
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| 05:00.48 | brah | The FAQ even says so and I didn't. My bad. |
| 05:01.44 | Alam_Squeeze | use: ./configure CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/lib32/dbus-1.0/include LDLFLAGS=-L/usr/lib32 |
| 05:02.11 | Alam_Squeeze | so the configure of wine can find the 32 libs and 32-bit version libdbus's headers |
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| 05:02.57 | brah | I didn't have to, worked like a boss. |
| 05:03.03 | brah | Or did it? |
| 05:03.11 | Alam_Squeeze | what worked? |
| 05:03.26 | Alam_Squeeze | brah: what FAQ? |
| 05:03.27 | brah | Technically, nothing. |
| 05:03.39 | brah | http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit |
| 05:04.41 | brah | Make is dying with /usr/bin/ld: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `somefile' is incompatible with i386 output |
| 05:05.09 | Alam_Squeeze | ahh, yea |
| 05:05.13 | Alam_Squeeze | I forget the CC |
| 05:05.28 | Alam_Squeeze | here is my full configure: ./configure --with-wine64=../build.w64 --prefix=/usr/local/stow/wine64 --libdir=/usr/local/stow/wine64/lib32 CC=ccache distcc x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.6 CFLAGS=-march=amdfam10 -msse -pipe -fno-stack-protector -g CXX=ccache distcc 86_64-linux-gnu-g++-4.6 CXXFLAGS=-march=amdfam10 -msse -pipe -fno-stack-protector -g CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/lib32/dbus-1.0/include LDLFLAGS=-L/usr/lib32 |
| 05:05.38 | Alam_Squeeze | hmmm... |
| 05:05.51 | Alam_Squeeze | I did not pass -m32... |
| 05:06.13 | Alam_Squeeze | ahh |
| 05:06.42 | Alam_Squeeze | did you install the multiarch packages so you can compile 32-bit? |
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| 05:07.23 | brah | They used to be, at least, since I used to be able to compile this. Can't really say now. |
| 05:07.34 | Alam_Squeeze | like binutils-multiarch and gcc-multilib? |
| 05:07.37 | brah | Although I've installed every package they ask for in the wiki, now. |
| 05:07.53 | brah | Those 2, yes. |
| 05:08.13 | Alam_Squeeze | pastebin your config.log |
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| 05:10.05 | Alam_Squeeze | brah: Debian Squeeze or Testing? |
| 05:10.15 | brah | Testing |
| 05:10.36 | Alam_Squeeze | try passing -m32 to both CFLAGS adn LDFLAGS |
| 05:10.59 | asdjaputra | i really hate ubuntu ops right now, and i don't care if there are some lying idle here. |
| 05:11.31 | Alam_Squeeze | asdjaputra: then what are you doing here? |
| 05:11.42 | asdjaputra | Alam_Squeeze, back with a question |
| 05:13.00 | Alam_Squeeze | asdjaputra: and the question is? |
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| 05:13.53 | asdjaputra | my Debian seems to not discovering my webcam |
| 05:13.53 | asdjaputra | i don't know it's model/type, it's a cheap cam came without any brand |
| 05:13.53 | asdjaputra | it detects with lsusb |
| 05:14.14 | Alam_Squeeze | Vendor and Device ID? |
| 05:14.43 | pbase | is that a windows only cam? |
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| 05:16.20 | asdjaputra | but not with cheese |
| 05:16.20 | asdjaputra | help? |
| 05:16.22 | asdjaputra | how to make debian recognizes my webcam |
| 05:16.22 | asdjaputra | pbase, no Alam_Squeeze, 05a9, 2640 |
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| 05:16.25 | Alam_Squeeze | asdjaputra: you may have to compile the v4l-dvb hg tree to get a working v4l driver for your webcam |
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| 05:16.48 | asdjaputra | Alam_Squeeze, how |
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| 05:17.51 | cnz | is there a certain flag you have to give tar to untar something do another hard drive? |
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| 05:18.22 | brah | Alam_Squeeze: Apparently it's compiling now. I added -m32 to CC. |
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| 05:19.09 | Alam_Squeeze | brah: wonderful! |
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| 05:20.21 | Alam_Squeeze | cnz: try -C, it is to set what directory to extrace to |
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| 05:20.42 | cnz | Alam_Squeeze k |
| 05:21.10 | kfogel | I would like to update the 'onetime' package from upstream 1.73 to 1.111 (the latest), because the latest includes a change that will avoid an annoying Python deprecation warning. I'm the package maintainer, but it's been a long time, and someone sponsored the upload last time. Is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html the place to start, and do I need to file a bug report about the update before proceeding? |
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| 05:21.48 | cnz | that's an invalid options |
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| 05:22.00 | wols_ | ,versions onetime |
| 05:22.00 | judd | Package onetime on i386 -- sid: 1.73-1.1; squeeze: 1.73-1.1; wheezy: 1.73-1.1 |
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| 05:22.12 | Alam_Squeeze | cnz: tar -xf foobar.tar.gz -C /tmp ? |
| 05:22.21 | wols_ | !nmg |
| 05:22.21 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 05:23.15 | kfogel | wols_: thanks. I think http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/update.en.html#newupstream is probably the place to start. I've got the NMG open too. |
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| 05:30.55 | Abyssion | I have a friend who wants to enable Bluetooth on her Debian laptop. I know nothing whatsoever about Bluetooth, and so I need some basic help. She says that a few years back, when she was running Vista, she turned Bluetooth off, and she's never been able to turn it back on, even on Debian. This makes me think it's off at the hardware level. Anyway, how would I tell her to turn on her Bluetooth adapter? |
| 05:31.28 | wols_ | checking BIOS and rfkill |
| 05:31.38 | Abyssion | I had her run '/etc/init.d/bluetooth status' and it says it's running, but 'hcitool dev' (both obtained from Googling) doesn't list a device. |
| 05:32.12 | Abyssion | Having her check her BIOS is going to be an issue since she's only got one computer with which to talk to me. |
| 05:32.13 | wols_ | Abyssion: check the dmesg output. it is listed there with several lines |
| 05:32.22 | Abyssion | grep for bluetooth? |
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| 05:35.48 | Abyssion | Bluetooth* |
| 05:35.55 | wols_ | no not bluetooth. it's some other common identifier. kernels are very terse, "bluetooth" has too many letters |
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| 05:36.12 | Abyssion | Then what do we search for? |
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| 05:36.34 | Wally | mangos! |
| 05:36.40 | wols_ | just let her pastebin the dmesg output and check for yourself |
| 05:36.40 | Wally | whoops. |
| 05:36.44 | sixyearsofdreams | I always wondered how it felt to know how to read the 'man' |
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| 05:36.58 | Lenin_Cat | Is there like a extra fonts package for debain |
| 05:37.05 | sixyearsofdreams | believe it or not i slighty know now hah thanks to all of you and for all your support |
| 05:37.09 | Abyssion | Oh boy, parsing an entire dmesg output. Never done that before. |
| 05:37.21 | sixyearsofdreams | and of course wols_ i see you here supporting all the time! |
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| 05:38.01 | ag4ve | does anyone have an isolinux config to grub2 config howto? |
| 05:38.12 | ag4ve | ie, is there a systematic way to do this? |
| 05:40.58 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: have we tried google :) ? |
| 05:41.29 | ag4ve | sixyearsofdreams: why, yes |
| 05:41.49 | ag4ve | sixyearsofdreams: are you just being a smart ass or do you have something interesting? |
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| 05:42.24 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: negative, just trying to help |
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| 05:43.31 | Abyssion | wols_: You want me to manually search her entire dmesg output? Not only would I have no idea what to look for, but dmesg is huge |
| 05:43.33 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: sorry im a bit new but i try to help in anyway i possibly can |
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| 05:43.49 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: isnt isolinux and grub2 both bootloaders ? |
| 05:43.52 | ag4ve | this is about the best google has: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1509658 |
| 05:44.37 | wols_ | Abyssion: it's not huge. dmesg only has a fixed buffer size, very limited. and you need the bootup messages of the kernel, not the rest. 5-10kB tops |
| 05:44.42 | ag4ve | not to familiar with isolinux... think so. i think i've also seen it with cramfs systems, but idk |
| 05:44.42 | wols_ | easy to spot the BT stuff |
| 05:44.51 | Abyssion | Okay, okay |
| 05:44.55 | wols_ | ag4ve: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 05:45.16 | ag4ve | boot the antivir iso image off of a thumb drive |
| 05:45.31 | wols_ | Abyssion: if the boot up messages are gone due to the fixed buffer size, you need her to reboot and try immediately after bootup |
| 05:45.40 | Abyssion | Right |
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| 05:45.50 | ag4ve | so, this is the image: http://dl.antivir.de/down/vdf/rescuecd/rescuecd.iso |
| 05:45.55 | wols_ | ag4ve: and this a grub issue why? a debian issue how? |
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| 05:47.03 | ag4ve | just figured there might be literate people that might be knowledgeable of things like that in here :) |
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| 05:47.25 | wols_ | ag4ve: ask ##linux, not us. good day |
| 05:47.35 | ag4ve | wols_: thanks |
| 05:47.56 | Alam_Squeeze | not the system rescue CD? |
| 05:48.16 | kfogel | http://www.red-bean.com/kfogel/tmp/debian/onetime/ has a package update ready to go -- but I think I need a DD to actually do the upload (according to NMG). |
| 05:48.55 | wols_ | kfogel: yes. basically you won't ever get this package into debian proper. you can create your own 3rd party repo if you want tho |
| 05:49.02 | kfogel | wols_: ?? |
| 05:49.05 | kfogel | wols_: why not? |
| 05:49.08 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: are you running debian? |
| 05:49.23 | ag4ve | sixyearsofdreams: yep |
| 05:49.28 | ag4ve | of course |
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| 05:49.35 | sixyearsofdreams | cool :) |
| 05:49.38 | kfogel | wols_: It's already in Debian. This is just an upgrade from upstream 1.73 to 1.111. |
| 05:49.45 | sixyearsofdreams | help him out wols_ our debian fan :) |
| 05:51.10 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: do you have any debian related problem? |
| 05:51.27 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: this is not a social chat channel but for support only |
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| 05:52.00 | Lenin_Cat | Which font package contain unicode symbols? |
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| 05:52.25 | wols_ | pretty much all of them? |
| 05:52.37 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: i apologize ill try to keep it to debian support stricktly |
| 05:52.39 | wols_ | each font has to have its own unicode symbols |
| 05:52.43 | Lenin_Cat | Is there a way to just download all the font package? |
| 05:52.49 | Lenin_Cat | packages |
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| 05:53.39 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: are you in linux? |
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| 05:54.11 | Some_Person | unifont has the most unicode symbols, and is useful to have as a fallback in case you encounter anything not-so-well-supported |
| 05:54.25 | kfogel | times out, as it's a bit late here. I'll try again later in the day. |
| 05:54.37 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: i actually do if you dont mind, maybe you can refer me, when i 'adduser' how is it possible to automaticaly create the apache www folder for my users that i create |
| 05:54.58 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: i remember something revolving /etc/skel |
| 05:55.04 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: you mean ~/public_html ? |
| 05:55.18 | ag4ve | sixyearsofdreams: ^^ look at /skel |
| 05:55.21 | wols_ | yes, you create public_html in /etc/skel |
| 05:55.35 | jmarsden | sixyearsofdreams: man adduser and look for the script /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local (I think) |
| 05:56.04 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: yes, but i suppose mine is called the www |
| 05:56.08 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: /var/www |
| 05:56.17 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: i believe its /etc/skel but it seems empty |
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| 05:56.31 | sixyearsofdreams | jmarsden: ok |
| 05:56.58 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: do you mean you want to create a folder for each user under /var/www ? |
| 05:57.00 | ag4ve | sixyearsofdreams: try ls -l /etc/skel |
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| 05:57.16 | ag4ve | sixyearsofdreams: it's not empty |
| 05:57.29 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: ok ill check |
| 05:57.33 | jmarsden | sixyearsofdreams: With the script you can do "anything you can script" each time a user is added... the /etc/skel way works for files under the hom dir of the user concerned, but I don't think you can add /var/www/$USERNAME/ that way. |
| 05:57.43 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: yes |
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| 05:58.05 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: i suppose i can make al ink from the /var/www to the users /home |
| 05:58.11 | ag4ve | sixyearsofdreams: existing users or new ones? |
| 05:58.23 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: but i think skel should be oding that |
| 05:58.29 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: why would you do that? making a folder in /var/www that is? |
| 05:58.36 | sixyearsofdreams | jmarsden: ok checking into man |
| 05:58.49 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: no it should not. having user's folder in /var/www is the wrong thing to begin wirh |
| 05:58.57 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: negative, not in /var/www but inside my users home directory |
| 05:59.17 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: new ones |
| 05:59.35 | ag4ve | oh so, yeah skel is your friend |
| 05:59.44 | sixyearsofdreams | ok |
| 06:00.12 | sixyearsofdreams | let me check skel the way you showed |
| 06:00.19 | Abyssion | wols_: Her dmesg is 50 KB and (if I understand these numbers correctly) almost all of these entries are from less than 30 seconds after the system was started |
| 06:00.36 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: the you want a public_html directory in /etc/skel. and don't confuse people by talking about /var/www as you did |
| 06:00.45 | Abyssion | Most are from <10 seconds |
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| 06:00.52 | ag4ve | otherwise, the nice find /home -maxdepth 1 -type d | while read f; do mkdir /home/$f/public_html; done :) |
| 06:00.55 | wols_ | Abyssion: and she cannot put up those things in a pastebin? really? |
| 06:01.08 | jmarsden | Abyssion: instead of complaining, pastebin it so we can see it and help you with it... |
| 06:01.13 | Abyssion | wols_: I'm reading it right now |
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| 06:02.13 | sixyearsofdreams | ag4ve: ls -l /etc/skel output comes out as Total 0 |
| 06:02.39 | wols_ | Abyssion: since she put it in a pastebin, give us the link |
| 06:02.44 | jmarsden | sixyearsofdreams: ls -la /etc/skel |
| 06:02.56 | Abyssion | wols_: She didn't, she emailed it to me. And I can't connect to pastebin. What's an alternative pasting site? |
| 06:02.58 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: ls -al /etc/skel/ |
| 06:02.59 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: ok looks like i might have to do some research on changing www to public_html instead |
| 06:02.59 | ag4ve | ah, yeah, messed that up :) |
| 06:03.05 | wols_ | !paste |
| 06:03.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:03.06 | jmarsden | sixyearsofdreams: Some of the files in there share with a period. |
| 06:03.18 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: i never intented for anyone else to use it but me |
| 06:03.26 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: there is a premade apache config for all that |
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| 06:03.51 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: ill look into that |
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| 06:04.09 | Abyssion | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/125243/ |
| 06:04.28 | wols_ | sixyearsofdreams: http://www.google.com/search?q=apache+public_html |
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| 06:05.08 | jason404 | is there a wat to colour typed command input, like the way ls output and the prompt can be coloured, in .bash_aliases and .bashrc? |
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| 06:06.41 | wols_ | Abyssion: line 762ff |
| 06:06.52 | sixyearsofdreams | wols_: Thank you |
| 06:07.19 | Abyssion | wols_: "Bluetooth: Core ver 2.15" Yes, what about it? |
| 06:07.30 | Abyssion | And I don't know what your ff means |
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| 06:08.39 | wols_ | Abyssion: does lsusb show a bt device? |
| 06:09.09 | wols_ | Abyssion: "ff" = "folloing". line 762 and the ones after that |
| 06:09.14 | Abyssion | Ah |
| 06:09.24 | jmarsden | Abyssion: ff means "and following" and is a standard abbreviation in referencing lines, pages or paragraphs in documents. I suspect it has Latin origin like e.g. and i.e. :) |
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| 06:09.32 | Abyssion | Okay |
| 06:09.34 | Abyssion | And I'm asking her |
| 06:09.38 | iluminator101 | how can you tell what kind of token a token is? |
| 06:09.58 | Some_Person | iluminator101: read it? |
| 06:10.13 | iluminator101 | Some_Person, how??? |
| 06:10.27 | Some_Person | What kind of "token" are we talking about? |
| 06:10.33 | wols_ | iluminator101: define contest |
| 06:10.36 | wols_ | *context |
| 06:10.50 | jmarsden | iluminator101: Try using it to pay for bus fare... if accepted, it is a bus token. Repeat for rail, and other modes of transit until you find out which one it is for :) |
| 06:11.12 | iluminator101 | U2FsdGVkX18zMTk5NjMxOZcO0e-rxbvGeiUZa9GCizzf7uYbZN5DIYubx2tIdUj8u4I8ngdFhfAQg3zoDZoKuJloEtCMm1XG |
| 06:11.43 | Some_Person | looks like a random string of garbage to me |
| 06:11.59 | Some_Person | what are you really trying to do? |
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| 06:12.03 | jmarsden | iluminator101: How did you discover/read this token? Where was it when you found it? |
| 06:12.12 | jokar | o/ all |
| 06:12.15 | jokar | hello all |
| 06:12.34 | iluminator101 | what type of hash is it? |
| 06:12.55 | jokar | excuse me i plug new HDD to the my computer,afte this my virtualbox not work properly |
| 06:13.00 | wols_ | iluminator101: try Base64 first |
| 06:13.11 | Some_Person | iluminator101: Why are you trying to find out? |
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| 06:13.17 | jokar | i can't create new Virtual Machine |
| 06:13.30 | wols_ | and you cannot determine hash algorithms by looking at a single hash. and again: CONTEXT: if you don't give us context we cannot tell |
| 06:13.37 | jokar | VB can't create new hdd in my ntfs partition |
| 06:13.41 | Abyssion | wols_: The only mention of bluetooth is "Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0a5c:4500 Broadcom Corp. BCM2046B1 USB 2.0 Hub (part of BCM2046 Bluetooth)" |
| 06:13.43 | wols_ | !tell jokar about errors |
| 06:13.58 | wols_ | Abyssion: then it _should_ just work :( |
| 06:14.11 | Abyssion | Dang |
| 06:14.46 | wols_ | Abyssion: use rfkill as I told you |
| 06:14.52 | jokar | o/ wols_:when i want create newd virtual hdd,VB show me that it can't create virtual hdd |
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| 06:16.01 | wols_ | jokar: if you don't know what an error message is, I doubt anyone can help you over irc |
| 06:16.08 | jmarsden | jokar: in the virtualbox manager GUI, click on File -> Preferences and set the Default Machine Folder to somewhere that exists and has plenty of space? |
| 06:16.16 | Abyssion | wols_: Looks like this will... determine whether her laptop is broadcasting a Bluetooth signal? </guess> |
| 06:16.34 | wols_ | Abyssion: something like that, yes |
| 06:16.38 | Abyssion | k |
| 06:17.32 | jokar | o/ jmarsden:i can create virtual machine in linux partition but in ntfs i can't:( for see error log i must see /var/log? |
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| 06:19.02 | jmarsden | jokar: Maybe. You could just reformat the drive to ext3 instead... there may be no way for virtualbox to use NTFS space for its files, if it uses some features of the "normal" Linux filesystems that NTFS does not have. |
| 06:19.37 | jokar | befor i plug new hdd my vb work properly |
| 06:19.50 | jokar | before* |
| 06:19.50 | jason404 | is there a wat to colour typed command input, like the way ls output and the prompt can be coloured, in .bash_aliases and .bashrc? |
| 06:19.56 | jmarsden | jokar: OK, unplug it and see if virtualbox still works fine then. |
| 06:20.03 | jokar | ;( |
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| 06:25.10 | Abyssion | wols_: rfkill list says that bluetooth is not soft-blocked or hard-blocked |
| 06:26.02 | wols_ | Abyssion: then I dunno. maybe ask her what she did in windows to make it not work anymore |
| 06:26.09 | cnz | anyone know the addy for virtualbox to add it to the /etc/apt/source.list |
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| 06:27.34 | Abyssion | wols_: Asking. Btw, if lsusb recognizes her Bluetooth adapter, does that mean the hardware isn't damaged? |
| 06:29.03 | Abyssion | wols_: She says she went into Device Manager, found it, and clicked "disable"... since then, in Windows, it never registered as a bluetooth adapter again |
| 06:29.16 | Wally | PEBKAC? |
| 06:30.08 | jmarsden | Abyssion: It means the hardware is at least present and can be communicated with. What exactly makes you/her think the Bluetooth in her machine is not working just fine under Debian? |
| 06:30.14 | wols_ | Abyssion: imho it isn't damaged but I dunno what she did. cause disabling it like that has no consequences for debian at all |
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| 06:31.20 | iluminator101 | wols_, what makes you say base64? |
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| 06:32.40 | cnz | ok I jsut updated to wheezy and rebooted went to login to my desktop and now I have no desktop |
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| 06:32.47 | cnz | just the default debian background |
| 06:33.02 | cnz | any ideas what could've happened |
| 06:33.52 | wols_ | cnz: tried left and right mouse buttons? what display manager do you use and what DE did you expect to have? |
| 06:34.14 | cnz | was using gnome |
| 06:34.19 | cnz | and yes tried left and right |
| 06:34.38 | cnz | I was using gnome desktop before the reboot |
| 06:34.40 | iluminator101 | permission to pm wols_ |
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| 06:36.04 | cnz | ut oh, why is apt-get autoremove removing gnome stuff :( |
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| 06:37.54 | Abyssion | jmarsden: When she opens Gnome's bluetooth preferences window it tells her that "Bluetooth is disabled" |
| 06:38.17 | wols_ | iluminator101: if you must... |
| 06:38.31 | Abyssion | There's a "turn on Bluetooth" button but when she clicks it, it hangs |
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| 06:40.03 | jmarsden | Abyssion: So rfkill says bt is fine, but Gnome says it is disabled... sounds odd. I'm about out of ideas. As wols_ said, the "disable device in windows" would not affect Debian at all. Maybe check for any kind of hardware switch for bluetooth on the machine, or Fn key combo to enable/disable it? |
| 06:40.30 | wols_ | jmarsden: then it shouldn't show up in lsusb, no? |
| 06:40.55 | Abyssion | jmarsden: She says she doesn't have a switch, and she's booting into Windows now |
| 06:40.58 | jmarsden | Agreed in theory... but in theory, if rfkill says itis fine, it should already be working :) |
| 06:41.20 | jmarsden | Sounds like she is giving up for the night... which I should do too :) |
| 06:41.39 | Abyssion | Well, she's doing other stuff while I try to troubleshoot this |
| 06:41.45 | cnz | wols_ somehow in the process gnome desktop got removed |
| 06:42.11 | Abyssion | So as far as wols_ and jmarsden are concerned, everything is properly set for bluetooth to be working, yet for an unknown reason, Gnome says it doesn't work |
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| 06:42.18 | Abyssion | Is that the gist of what's going on? |
| 06:42.28 | jmarsden | Sounds about right to me. |
| 06:42.43 | wols_ | cnz: reinstall it |
| 06:42.51 | cnz | yeah that's what im diong |
| 06:42.54 | cnz | doing* |
| 06:43.02 | cnz | gnome-core should re-install it all right |
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| 06:44.27 | Abyssion | And I'm guessing Windows will not see it either |
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| 06:49.28 | Abyssion | jmarsden: No Fn key combo either |
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| 06:54.20 | Stalwart | hi there |
| 06:54.43 | cnz | how do I tell what version of gtk+ im running |
| 06:54.48 | Stalwart | how many i686-only packages are in debian? i have i586 machine and i'm looking for a distro for it =) |
| 06:55.13 | wols_ | Stalwart: none |
| 06:55.31 | wols_ | cnz: dpkg -l |grep libgtk |
| 06:55.44 | cnz | thanks wols_ |
| 06:57.31 | Stalwart | wols_: great, thanks! |
| 06:58.08 | wols_ | iluminator101: hashes don't decrypt and I told you not to PM me anymore. how is this nonsense debian related? |
| 06:58.18 | rozie | Stalwart: what is your processor, exactly? |
| 06:58.31 | Stalwart | rozie: amd k6-III |
| 06:58.45 | Abyssion | wols_: jmarsden: I guess bluetooth is a lost cause, although it's probably her specific computer (for whatever reason) and not Debian... thanks for both of your help |
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| 06:59.03 | Stalwart | 533mhz seems to be anough to build NAS, i just need to find a pcmcia->usb card =) |
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| 07:00.38 | rozie | Stalwart: looks like 686 http://www.cpu-collection.de/?tn=0&l0=cl&l1=686 |
| 07:00.40 | iluminator101 | wols_, thanks i think its a lost cause |
| 07:00.51 | wols_ | rozie: it's not |
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| 07:01.48 | rozie | anyway, it may be economicaly reasonable to buy smth like dockstar |
| 07:01.55 | Stalwart | rozie: athlon was first amd's i686 cpu, k6 was their budget thing |
| 07:02.24 | rozie | OK, ACK. just a quick google, my VIA found out to be 686 compatible |
| 07:02.48 | rozie | and I though it's 586 or even 486 |
| 07:03.15 | Stalwart | rozie: commercial nas aren't that customizable and/or fun like old laptop |
| 07:03.26 | rozie | Stalwart: anyway, consider power usage |
| 07:03.26 | Stalwart | and i've got this armada 100s for free =) |
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| 07:03.48 | rozie | oh, it's laptop. that changes pretty much |
| 07:03.55 | Bushmills | rozie: alternative: http://www.raspberrypi.org/ |
| 07:04.08 | Stalwart | rozie: consider apple time machine support, absence of ethernet on my airport express, and fun factor |
| 07:04.23 | rozie | desktops tends to use pretty lot of energy |
| 07:04.24 | wols_ | Bushmills: not yet. but it hopefully will be in the near future (the extended model tho) |
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| 07:04.52 | rozie | Stalwart: dockstar is just hardware. you can use Debian on it. :-) |
| 07:05.13 | wols_ | they're hard to get here and fairly pricy :( |
| 07:05.22 | wols_ | seagate discontinued them |
| 07:05.48 | rozie | around 40-50 euros right now |
| 07:06.10 | Bushmills | wols_: true. meant to mean "alternative hopefully soon available" |
| 07:06.49 | rozie | it's a pity they discontinued them. using one right now and I'm happy with it |
| 07:06.58 | Stalwart | it all depends on usb2 support and proce of ram upgrade probably, i'm still doing research on this paperweight =) |
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| 07:07.36 | Bushmills | there's also http://www.debwrt.net/ for consumer class wlan routers |
| 07:08.55 | Stalwart | if debian is i586-compatible, then problem solved, i need usb2 now =) |
| 07:09.48 | Bushmills | it is. 486 kernels are provided too |
| 07:10.23 | Some_Person | lol, Debian on a 486 |
| 07:10.25 | wols_ | Bushmills: afaik it's not really i80486 compatible anymore |
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| 07:11.48 | Bushmills | Some_Person: there was a time when that was rather common |
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| 08:08.21 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got this 'issue' that iceweasel keeps opening only half-size of the screen while i'd like it to start in maximized mode, even when I maximize it and close it, it somehow doesnt remember that preference, is there a way I can change that? |
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| 08:09.43 | wols_ | have you tried maximizing it without the maximize button? |
| 08:09.44 | Vbitz | the stangest thing just happened, i was connected to my server using putty and i tried catting the bash session's /proc/exe file |
| 08:10.25 | Vbitz | and it spat out some stuff and then repeated putty until i killed it |
| 08:10.30 | SpeedyG | wols_: you mean by doubleclicking the menubar or somth? |
| 08:10.52 | wols_ | Vbitz: running cat on non existing things? what's the point? |
| 08:11.05 | wols_ | SpeedyG: no I mean exactly not by that |
| 08:11.14 | wols_ | no maximize button or shortcuts |
| 08:11.36 | Vbitz | I just ran cat /proc/3297/exe |
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| 08:11.46 | Vbitz | 3297 was the process id |
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| 08:12.03 | SpeedyG | wols_: thanks, that seems to help :) |
| 08:12.58 | Vbitz | that just screwed putty, it was outputing it to the input of bash |
| 08:13.06 | wols_ | that's normal if you cat a binary file. |
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| 08:13.35 | Vbitz | good |
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| 08:15.31 | TBotNik | All: Trying to restore pkgs on machine with "dpkg --set-selections < "/home/ndavis/myfiles/Scripts/Package Installs/ins_packages_delta.txt" & dselect install" and getting error "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" and this just after a fresh reboot. Anyone know what might be causing this? |
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| 08:16.45 | Vbitz | what are some good apps for a debian server |
| 08:16.57 | voltagex | I also can't specify the archive mirror via preseed... |
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| 08:18.30 | Bushmills | Vbitz: molly-guard |
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| 08:20.44 | TBotNik | Repeating: All: Trying to restore pkgs on machine with "dpkg --set-selections < "/home/ndavis/myfiles/Scripts/Package Installs/ins_packages_delta.txt" & dselect install" and getting error "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" and this just after a fresh reboot. Anyone know what might be causing this? |
| 08:21.45 | Vbitz | Brushmills: cool app |
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| 08:22.44 | mjt | TBotNik: if you run it exactly like that, there's no surprize |
| 08:23.17 | mjt | you run dpkg --set-selections in background (the ampersand) and immediately run dselect which also tries to lock the same directory |
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| 08:23.53 | mjt | you most likely mean "&&" not "&" |
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| 08:25.29 | TBotNik | mjt: Been running the exact same string, with diff user of course, for years and always comes up. now doesn't. Must be 10.04, welcome to the unwanted changes. No one understand the first rule of development: "If it's not broken, don't fix it". LOL Am I right? |
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| 08:25.50 | mjt | very unlikely |
| 08:26.22 | mjt | that's just timing issues. Apparently new kernel is now faster. If it's not welcome, revert back to slower kernel. |
| 08:26.38 | TBotNik | mjt: K show me you syntax!! LOL |
| 08:26.41 | mjt | besides, ubuntu support is elsewhere |
| 08:26.52 | mjt | i don't see anything funny |
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| 08:27.57 | DASDAS | Hello! |
| 08:27.59 | DASDAS | Hello |
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| 08:29.15 | TBotNik | mjt: Gee not being offensive, just a little testy I quess, been fighting 2 machines for days, think I found "all the bugs in the distro and finally had to do complete re-install to fix, so on the lighter side now and just teasing about "show me yours", sorry |
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| 08:29.56 | mjt | I already mentioned your possible mistake |
| 08:30.10 | mjt | < mjt> you most likely mean "&&" not "&" |
| 08:30.14 | wols_ | TBotNik: you've been told several times that we don't support ubuntu, yet you still come and ask for support for it. I'm starthing to thing this isn't ignorance anymore but malice |
| 08:31.42 | treebeen | hmm, what does this mean: Unable to find an archive "stable" for the package ... ? |
| 08:31.46 | TBotNik | wols_: dpkg isn't debian? |
| 08:31.48 | mjt | btw, what "yours" do you want? My passwords maybe? |
| 08:32.07 | mjt | treebeen: which package is that? |
| 08:32.38 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 08:32.38 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 08:32.58 | treebeen | mjt: really any package i try... 'aptitude show ...' does then show me the package from backports |
| 08:33.06 | wols_ | TBotNik: linux kernel is in debian too, but we still don't support redhat kernels. or ubuntu kernels. |
| 08:33.12 | treebeen | mjt: following the error... |
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| 08:33.32 | wols_ | !tell treebeen about bat |
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| 08:35.53 | TBotNik | mjt: You were right, been running that out of a script for years, but changed "&" to ";" and running fine now. Thanks! And thanks Wols |
| 08:35.53 | TBotNik | ! |
| 08:36.43 | TBotNik | wols_: See did not need much, just some insight, which I get a lot of here, that is why I come back. Thanks! |
| 08:38.07 | Bushmills | threatening for having been helped? |
| 08:38.53 | treebeen | wols_: http://pastebin.com/UktXaPcA |
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| 08:43.16 | mjt | that's just apt-cache policy. the rest from "bat" factoid is missing |
| 08:43.36 | mjt | but that's not really that much interesting. Please upgrade to squeeze. |
| 08:43.49 | treebeen | wols_: hmm, 'dpkg -l wget' says it's installed, but 'aptitude show wget' brings the error mentioned before and shows the package from backports saying it's not installed |
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| 08:44.10 | mjt | apt-cache policy wget ? |
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| 08:45.59 | treebeen | http://pastebin.com/35KEV3V7 |
| 08:46.09 | spal | I am unable to record music from musical keyboard into audacity. I am using "HDA Intel: ALC28 Analog (hw:0,0); Line: 0" for recording. |
| 08:46.15 | spal | could someone please help me troubleshoot this? |
| 08:47.23 | mjt | treebeen: so that's ok, there's just one candidate |
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| 08:49.32 | treebeen | mjt: it looks like 'aptitude show wget' pulls 'stable' from somewhere and cannot find/display it |
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| 08:49.41 | treebeen | as it is oldstable now |
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| 08:50.30 | mjt | so install stable :) |
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| 08:51.00 | treebeen | the funny this is, that 'show' will then display backports, but 'install' will install the lenny version... |
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| 08:51.08 | treebeen | *thing |
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| 08:51.42 | treebeen | mjt: yeah, I will upgrade soon :) |
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| 08:56.30 | wols_ | treebeen: that's not funny but normal if you don't specify the backports repo explicitly |
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| 08:57.21 | pbase | need help to fix bluetooth |
| 08:58.19 | pbase | vendor - Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd |
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| 09:00.33 | wols_ | pbase: does the kernel recognize the device? (see dmesg output) |
| 09:01.31 | Raptors_ | How do you see the list of paritions? |
| 09:01.37 | Raptors_ | from command line |
| 09:01.40 | Raptors_ | I forgot :\ |
| 09:02.12 | wols_ | Raptors_: fdisk -l |
| 09:02.17 | wols_ | as root |
| 09:02.22 | pbase | wols_: yes.. here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/AxDi2reZ |
| 09:02.46 | pbase | wols_: o/p of hwinfo |
| 09:02.59 | wols_ | pbase: I don't care about your hwinfo output |
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| 09:03.46 | Raptors_ | wols_, thanks |
| 09:04.58 | pbase | wols_: well it contains the part relevent to the bluetooth |
| 09:05.58 | wols_ | pbase: since you know obviously better what is relevant, I wish you the best luck in fixing your problem. good day |
| 09:06.37 | pbase | wols_: thank you for the help, but it was all just to assist you |
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| 09:07.11 | wols_ | you don't "assist" when you can give the information that was asked for |
| 09:07.20 | wols_ | *can't |
| 09:07.40 | treebeen | ok, it was defined in "apt.conf", default-release... |
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| 09:09.36 | pbase | wols_: I missed reading the last part (output of dmesg) |
| 09:10.30 | pbase | still searhcing for lines in dmesg |
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| 09:13.39 | cnz | what would be a decent inexpensive nvidia vc for linux? |
| 09:13.46 | cnz | I don't plan on playing games. |
| 09:14.04 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 09:14.04 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
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| 09:19.25 | cnz | !hcl |
| 09:19.26 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 09:20.09 | wols_ | !tell cnz about msgthebot |
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| 09:20.42 | cnz | wols_: sorry :( |
| 09:20.48 | cnz | didn't know the bot had that function |
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| 09:21.41 | pbase | cannot find anything with bluetooth in dmesg |
| 09:22.29 | cnz | sucks that linux doesn't support my hdtv |
| 09:22.50 | cnz | it's 120mhz and it only detects 60mhz and it won't run on 1920x1080 |
| 09:23.24 | voltagex | is this the right channel for preseed help? |
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| 09:24.53 | voltagex | d-i mirror/http/mirror and d-i mirror/http/hostname are being ignored |
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| 09:52.28 | kuznetzvo | hi |
| 09:55.33 | kuznetzvo | I have the opportunity to spend a few thousand USD on some new lab equipment and was looking for a workstation or two + a new linux server. I would like to make sure multiple multi-core cpu's is kosher on say amd64 architecture.. is there hardware i should specifically avoid for performance hits |
| 09:55.39 | skilz_ | Whats the debian repository for aircrack-ng |
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| 09:57.20 | kuznetzvo | skilz, see your pm.. they list a debian repository for aircrack about halfway down |
| 09:58.13 | Tordek | Hi, I'm getting this error message whenever I apt-get update: W: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/debian.oregonstate.edu_debian_dists_testing_main_i18n_Index Encountered a section with no Package: header |
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| 10:02.21 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: multisocket multicores are fine |
| 10:02.54 | wols_ | Tordek: delete the file and apt-get update. if it still persists, it's a bad repo |
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| 10:03.16 | wols_ | skilz_: it's not in debian stable anymore |
| 10:03.19 | kuznetzvo | wols_, Thank you. Now I just need to pull the trigger on a decent build. :) |
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| 10:04.08 | wols_ | skilz_: /msg judd versions aircrack-ng |
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| 10:05.32 | skilz_ | Is it true Debian is against / does not like pentest softwares? |
| 10:05.48 | skilz_ | because all the good tools are not avalible for Debian |
| 10:06.05 | skilz_ | strange is it not? oh, it those damn bugs again.... |
| 10:06.30 | wols_ | how can it be true? |
| 10:06.52 | ompaul | skilz_: no it just does not provide support for backtrack and you can get those very same penetration test tools for Debian if you want |
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| 10:07.29 | skilz_ | by compiling source |
| 10:07.31 | ompaul | skilz_: therefore I suggest your precepts were wrong. |
| 10:07.49 | skilz_ | whats backtrack got to do with aircrack? |
| 10:07.54 | ompaul | skilz_: eh, please take your crack pipe elsewhere |
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| 10:08.39 | ompaul | aircrack-ng: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:1.1-1.1 |
| 10:09.34 | skilz_ | so how did u get it ompaul |
| 10:09.57 | voltagex | skilz_: apt-get install aircrack-ng |
| 10:10.21 | themill | skilz_: what release of debian are you using? |
| 10:10.21 | ompaul | skilz_: I strongly suggest you get some skill with debian |
| 10:10.23 | wols_ | skilz_: I told you to run /msg judd versions aircrack-ng but you didn't listen |
| 10:10.32 | skilz_ | its not in debian |
| 10:10.43 | skilz_ | latest |
| 10:10.43 | wols_ | ompaul: aircrack-ng provides all the skill necessary for "pentesting" |
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| 10:10.44 | ompaul | skilz_: this is SID |
| 10:10.49 | Tordek | wols_: I tried deleting and a different repo (brazil); same result. |
| 10:10.59 | ompaul | wols_: but none of the skill to run Debian ;-) |
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| 10:11.59 | skilz_ | ompaul: You're being proposturous |
| 10:12.16 | voltagex | skilz_: stop, and look at packages.debian.org |
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| 10:12.30 | skilz_ | how dare you insult me |
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| 10:12.43 | kuznetzvo | my argument would be if you aren't comfortable grabbing, looking at, and compiling source then you shouldn't be using the tools it gives you |
| 10:13.38 | skilz_ | kuznetzvo: I can compile the source but I was told in here its not recommended |
| 10:13.54 | ompaul | skilz_: which is because the job is already done for you! |
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| 10:14.11 | themill | ompaul: it is? |
| 10:14.19 | skilz_ | it is? |
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| 10:14.47 | ompaul | themill: it is in lenny and sid if the op bothered to look squeeze does not have it for some buggy reason |
| 10:14.50 | themill | skilz_: [11:10] <themill> skilz_: what release of debian are you using? |
| 10:14.57 | skilz_ | ompaul: Enlighten us with your expertness.... |
| 10:15.11 | wols_ | skilz_: I suggest you learn how to use distros and linux in genereal before you actually do "pentests" (great euphemism tehre...) |
| 10:15.15 | skilz_ | Linux ataraxia 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 04:13:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:15.56 | wols_ | skilz_: if you don't even know what debian release you actually run, you _really_ should try learn a bit more |
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| 10:16.29 | wols_ | !tell skilz_ about version |
| 10:16.39 | skilz_ | wols_: I did not say I don't know what release I run. The reason for the late reply was because I was holding my 4 month old daughter. |
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| 10:16.55 | themill | skilz_: you've still not actually told us what release you run... |
| 10:17.04 | wols_ | skilz_: please don't lie. your daughter will be disappointed then |
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| 10:17.14 | voltagex | excuses don't really give us more information. |
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| 10:17.35 | SkilZ | themill: You don't what release 2.6.32 is? |
| 10:17.39 | SkilZ | :/ |
| 10:17.49 | wols_ | SkilZ: it's definitely no debian release I ever heard of |
| 10:17.52 | ompaul | SkilZ: it is not a release it is a kernel version |
| 10:17.56 | SkilZ | Squeeze |
| 10:18.01 | wols_ | themill: 2.0 was hamm? |
| 10:18.34 | themill | SkilZ: it's possible to run kernels from different releases. |
| 10:19.07 | SkilZ | themill: I knew that :) |
| 10:19.12 | voltagex | debconf/d-i is tricky code. |
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| 10:20.47 | SkilZ | Package aircrack-ng is not available, but is referred to by another package. <--- How do I recover the infomation the find which package it |
| 10:20.56 | SkilZ | it's refered to by? |
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| 10:22.31 | themill | SkilZ: "apt-cache showpkg", not that this will help you. |
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| 10:25.06 | skilz | It seems like im in a bit of a pickle |
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| 10:25.54 | kuznetzvo | .. forgive me if i'm wrong here but.. what's the big issue with installing from source? |
| 10:26.00 | skilz | I may as well compile from source |
| 10:26.11 | wols_ | !tell skilz about ssb |
| 10:26.15 | skilz | I was advised against it |
| 10:26.21 | kuznetzvo | yeah, it's not like there's gonna be some bug in aircrack-ng that allows root remote access |
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| 10:26.39 | themill | wols_: he's been told how to make backports before. |
| 10:26.46 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: it circumvents the package system and leads to many problems. you normally want to build a proper .deb or at least use checkinstall |
| 10:27.19 | skilz | wols_: Ah thankyou that was the helpful answer I was looking for! :) 50 points |
| 10:27.39 | kuznetzvo | !tell kuznetzvo about ssh |
| 10:27.41 | kuznetzvo | damnit |
| 10:27.48 | kuznetzvo | !tell kuznetzvo about ssb |
| 10:28.05 | wols_ | !tell kuznetzvo about selftell |
| 10:28.29 | kuznetzvo | Thank you |
| 10:28.39 | kuznetzvo | I did read the topic and guidelines for what it's worth =p |
| 10:28.56 | themill | skilz: good thing you had that answer from jelly-home and from MrFrood a month ago then, isn't it? |
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| 10:30.52 | kuznetzvo | so, assume you were in this situation: you had two dual-screen workstations that need two NIC's each to different subnets, decent 3d acceleration, dual dual core or better.. needed server with at least 6TB storage (RAID), >= 24GB ram, etc. could you do it well for under 4K USD? |
| 10:31.28 | kuznetzvo | keep in mind we're talking UPS's, build from scratch, new screens (el cheapo 19" LCD) |
| 10:31.40 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: ##hardware. not #debian |
| 10:31.41 | latenite | Hi folks, I have a question about "debootstrap": Does it ONLY download the files? or does it do anything more than that? e.g version controll stuff ? |
| 10:31.59 | epsilon | it will install minimal debian |
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| 10:32.06 | jimcooncat | I can't seem to find documentation on .forward files -- I want to forward my email and save a copy locally. How to do that? |
| 10:32.21 | wols_ | latenite: it installs them. define "version controll stuff" |
| 10:32.42 | kuznetzvo | I was mainly asking for the wisdom and preferences of the debian guru's here, if there was even a 10% consensus as to preferred architecture or brand =p |
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| 10:32.59 | Tordek | I'm getting this error message whenever I apt-get update: W: Failed to fetch copy:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/debian.oregonstate.edu_debian_dists_testing_main_i18n_Index Encountered a section with no Package: header; it persists after cleaning /var/lib/apt/lists/ and trying another repo; any clues? |
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| 10:33.09 | latenite | wols_, installs theam means = download and copy them to where they belong? |
| 10:33.23 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: you are offtopic with your questions. this is debian support only, not "what hardware should I buy" |
| 10:33.34 | kuznetzvo | Forgive me; point taken. |
| 10:33.35 | wols_ | latenite: it installs a full debian |
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| 10:34.06 | latenite | wols_, version control stuff...like apititude does? What I wonder is the difference between "debootstrap" and a "stage-3" like they have with gentoo. |
| 10:34.06 | wols_ | Tordek: what debian branch? and does it happen with official mirrors? |
| 10:34.19 | latenite | wols_,full? also a kernel? |
| 10:34.21 | wols_ | ah testing. I think they can miss various i18n substuff |
| 10:34.50 | skilz | haha I figured out an easyer way :> |
| 10:35.05 | wols_ | latenite: have you read any documentation about debootstrap? |
| 10:35.15 | kuznetzvo | jimcooncat, I think http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix#Forward_Emails might help you |
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| 10:35.39 | latenite | wols_, I read the manpage |
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| 10:35.52 | wols_ | !tell latenite about debootstrap |
| 10:36.02 | skilz | Just add this line to sources.list "deb http://archive.offensive-security.com pwnsauce main microverse macroverse restricted universe multiverse" |
| 10:36.03 | Tordek | wols_: yeah, it was the brazil mirror (also I thought oregonstate was official?); can I(should I) disable i18n? or just wait 'til it works again? |
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| 10:36.14 | wols_ | !mirrors |
| 10:36.14 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 10:36.21 | wols_ | personally, I'd just wait |
| 10:36.31 | themill | dpkg: tell skilz about bobbitt |
| 10:36.32 | wols_ | Tordek: you run testing after all |
| 10:36.36 | skilz | now all the good stuff is avalible :) |
| 10:36.37 | Tordek | wols_: cool, thanks :) |
| 10:36.43 | Tordek | night, all |
| 10:37.00 | themill | skilz: so enjoy your frankenbuntu. Please don't ask for support here when your package management system is screwed up. |
| 10:37.17 | jimcooncat | thank you kuznetzvo |
| 10:37.18 | latenite | wols_, I tried it years back.....and I remember not having a kernel with it. Does it realy install a kernel? |
| 10:37.40 | skilz | themill: It will not screw up as long as I comment out the line before I upgrade ^_^ |
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| 10:37.58 | themill | skilz: sure. whatever you reckon. HAND. |
| 10:38.10 | wols_ | latenite: I don't know if it does but I do know there are tons of howtos and very easy to follow tutorials for it |
| 10:38.53 | wols_ | skilz: since you haven't removed it already shows how utterly clueless and unreliable you are concerdning administration |
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| 10:40.20 | latenite | wols_, ok let me try on...I ll be back ... thanks so far :D |
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| 10:42.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | how do you update packages you've installed via apt-get source and with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 10:42.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've tried to just run dpkg-buildpackage again after running apt-get source again |
| 10:42.28 | wols_ | KaffeeJunky123: the same way. unless the debian repo versionhas caught up |
| 10:42.35 | wols_ | there are downsides to backports :( |
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| 10:43.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | however it does not create a deb with the new revision number |
| 10:43.08 | voltagex | wols_: it seems every time I come in here there's a backport problem |
| 10:43.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | the package in question is pidgin-2.9.0 from the wheezy repository |
| 10:43.47 | wols_ | voltagex: nah. frankendebian problems are happening a lot more often and are worse |
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| 10:44.35 | wols_ | KaffeeJunky123: what is the directory name under which you run dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 10:44.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols_: it's pidgin-2.9.0 |
| 10:45.07 | wols_ | ,versions pidgin |
| 10:45.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols_: apt-get source set it up |
| 10:45.09 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.9.0-3; wheezy: 2.9.0-3 |
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| 10:45.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | wols_: the problem is, that I can't seem to get it to build the new revision of that package |
| 10:46.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've the source archive and the dsc file of pidgin-2.9.0-3 but dpkg-buildpackage still creates a -1 revision .deb :/ |
| 10:47.10 | themill | KaffeeJunky123: the changelog determines the version string |
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| 10:48.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | themill: the new version string is in debian/changelog |
| 10:48.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | "pidgin (2.9.0-3) unstable; urgency=low" is the first line of my debian/changelog file in pidgin-2.9.0/ |
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| 10:49.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | and in my understanding dpkg-buildpackage should now create a .deb package with the new revision string appended |
| 10:49.50 | voltagex | wols_: if you'd like a non-frankendebian problem, I have an interesting one. |
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| 10:50.19 | themill | KaffeeJunky123: sounds fine. Does "dpkg-parsechangelog" give the expected output? |
| 10:50.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | themill: it does |
| 10:51.36 | themill | KaffeeJunky123: sounds fine then. What dpkg-buildpackage command line are you using? |
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| 10:52.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | just dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:52.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | so it's using fakeroot for the make command |
| 10:52.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | anything wrong with that? |
| 10:52.34 | themill | no, all sounds fine |
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| 10:54.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh nvm I think I've overlooked a build error <_< |
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| 10:54.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | some dependencie is not resolved :o |
| 10:55.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | so that explains why it doesn't build a package |
| 10:56.01 | kuznetzvo | what apckage? |
| 10:56.13 | themill | that was my next question... look at the dates on your .deb ;) |
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| 10:56.51 | wols_ | voltagex: I don't know about preseed :) |
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| 10:58.26 | wathek | Hi all |
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| 10:59.09 | kuznetzvo | hi |
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| 11:00.21 | kuznetzvo | wols_, Thank you for being patient with me; my history is basically windows 2k xp 2k3 7 2k8/wireless/802.3/tcpip/ bluecoat/ mcafee ePO. rsa securid, no z/os or aix or mcuh linux |
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| 11:01.06 | jimcooncat | I want to install phpbb3, but I don't want mysql. is there a way I can install with sqlite? |
| 11:01.08 | kuznetzvo | i feel that in my security field it is necessay to develop good linux prestige, as it will follow you every where you go |
| 11:01.08 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: do I want to hire you or why this resume? |
| 11:01.42 | kuznetzvo | I'm telling you why I'm here. It is a custom from another channel 2 networks away >>>>>> |
| 11:01.48 | jimcooncat | or do I have to start by installing each package in phpbb3's dependencies separately? |
| 11:01.52 | dxrt | Anyone have any thoughts on btrfs, safe or no? |
| 11:02.24 | themill | jimcooncat: installing the db you want first to satisfy the deps is the easiest approach. aptitude can do it in the interactive resolver too |
| 11:02.55 | kuznetzvo | what version dxrt, latest? |
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| 11:03.00 | dxrt | yes. |
| 11:03.08 | jimcooncat | themill, I haven't used the interactive installer. man aptitude will tell me how to use it? |
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| 11:03.36 | wols_ | dxrt: do you have an actual use case for btrfs? |
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| 11:04.01 | skilz | Anyone know about LG Plasma TV's and the linux opensource software they run if its possible to run ssh on it? Not having much luck with good old google. |
| 11:04.12 | kuznetzvo | re: BTRFS This is the only relevant information that seemed to be of good quality: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Problem_FAQ |
| 11:04.32 | dxrt | wols_: Just looking for some data redundancy. Without having to erase my main disk to get it going. |
| 11:05.00 | kuznetzvo | run dvi to your arbitrary display device connected to a machine running debian. use hulu, netflix, or from your collection of fair-use backups |
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| 11:06.39 | kuznetzvo | what kind of redundancy.. like n+1, 2n+1.. and how long can you go without your data when you are recovering from scratch? |
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| 11:08.04 | thomasfedb | kuznetzvo, right now dxrt is looking for n+1 (two drives, mirrored) but expanding later would be a good option. |
| 11:08.19 | kuznetzvo | yeah |
| 11:09.15 | kuznetzvo | keep in mind that if you do raid 5, it's definitely not as stable as you'd prefer. I've seen a lot of grinding on raid5 arrays, and if all the HDD's are installed and running at the same time, it means more than one drive is likely to fail at the same time |
| 11:09.27 | thomasfedb | kuznetzvo, i suggested btrfs as i know you can use degraded mode to allow you to build a "raid 1" array starting with only one drive, add the other, and then add the other drive as the mirror. |
| 11:09.51 | thomasfedb | kuznetzvo, right now raid 5 isn't really an option (two drives) |
| 11:09.58 | kuznetzvo | precisely |
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| 11:10.10 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:10.19 | kuznetzvo | I could always hear the AIX group at my last job screaming "[profanity]" meaning that after replacing a failed drive in a raid5 array, ANOTHER disk broke while rebuilding the array :> |
| 11:11.31 | kuznetzvo | That happened to me running some production radius on debian, information security intranet, etc. The windows guys offered to build me a server and told me was in a raid5, replicated to the hotsite, and clustered. |
| 11:12.03 | kuznetzvo | Yeah well not 2 weeks after that, the box goes down hard. I checked the server room and found the facilities workers had been in there doing drywall works |
| 11:12.22 | kuznetzvo | Every single HDD in that room was dead, high probability of recovering null |
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| 11:13.16 | voltagex | kuznetzvo: yeah, kitchen renovation killed my box. |
| 11:14.27 | kuznetzvo | I've been smoking around my machines for 6-7 years now. I never vacuum the floor. I have two pets (3 if you count my wife). Despite that, I have yet to have anything, including my laptops, die of heatsink/fan dust blanket. |
| 11:15.02 | kuznetzvo | maybe once every 30-60 days, I'll squirt a couple distant bursts of 120psi air through.. nice and quick |
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| 11:16.54 | cahoot | no such fix for your lungs though |
| 11:17.33 | p0g0 | well, vaccum cleaners can make horrendous static charges, so not vacuuming your circuit boards is not a bad thing. I'd wonder if the carpenters had been running high amperage noisy gear on your computers circuits- do the HDs spin up? |
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| 11:19.07 | kuznetzvo | they don't even spin. |
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| 11:19.35 | kuznetzvo | when the server tech touched the drive to feel the spin, he said it burned his hand a bit |
| 11:19.36 | p0g0 | that sounds more electrical than dust |
| 11:19.59 | p0g0 | as a guess |
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| 11:20.54 | pbase | headphones don't work on plugging in the jacks. any solutions? on wheezy |
| 11:21.03 | p0g0 | kuznetzvo: if you have any working identical HDs you might try swapping their circuit boards. |
| 11:21.48 | kuznetzvo | you have it possibly in the wrong plug, driver issue, etc? Best bet is to plug in some known-good cheapo speakers. Then you should know right quick. |
| 11:22.11 | jimcooncat | I don't know if I'm stuck or not. now phpbb3 wants to install x11-common, and I don't want X running on this machine |
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| 11:23.11 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: x11-common shouldn't start X server on its own, it doesn't even contain the X server itself I think |
| 11:23.12 | kuznetzvo | ahh... |
| 11:23.36 | jimcooncat | thanks thewanderer1! that had me scared |
| 11:23.38 | thewanderer1 | jimcooncat: x11 stuff is probably for some graphical stuff... GD and XPM image support, for example |
| 11:23.43 | kuznetzvo | p0g0 we tried raw power to the pins on the drives; no spin up |
| 11:24.00 | pbase | kuznetzvo: the built in speakers work fine. when i plug in the headphones, they don't work. I had earlier fixed it in opensuse by adding model=lenovo in 50-sound.conf file. don't know how to do it here |
| 11:24.35 | p0g0 | kuznetzvo: I don't think that is a valid test, the locks and head controllers need to engage. |
| 11:24.45 | pbase | intel-snd-had |
| 11:25.07 | pbase | intel-snd-hda |
| 11:25.18 | p0g0 | kuznetzvo: but, again, I'm guessing. |
| 11:26.32 | thewanderer1 | pbase: see /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 11:26.38 | p0g0 | kuznetzvo: the air pressure ports on the drive have good enough filters on them that I doubt that any drywall dust could enter the sealed chamber. |
| 11:27.10 | kuznetzvo | i'm used to doing stuff like that first from my years working in computer repair.cs: [my computer is broken. its the keyboard.] "you are absolutely sure your keyboard is ok. you tried a good one?" [yes] "that's funny. when i did that, it worked." |
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| 11:27.20 | kuznetzvo | p0g0 i actually tested that |
| 11:27.50 | kuznetzvo | some of those filters are just pathetic |
| 11:28.26 | kuznetzvo | as an example, one fun way to kill HDD's is to use the tertrafluoroethylene or other computer duster upside down and squeeze with straw over filter :) |
| 11:28.48 | p0g0 | they ar not vapor phase filters, just dust. |
| 11:29.12 | ompaul | welcome to #hardware eh? |
| 11:29.22 | Llywelyn | Hello everybody ;) |
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| 11:30.16 | kuznetzvo | most wouldn't spin at all, though i remember some try to spin then TICK CHINK CLUNK |
| 11:30.37 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: this is a debian support channel ONLY. |
| 11:30.38 | pbase | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 11:31.04 | fpu | hey guys |
| 11:31.08 | kuznetzvo | Sorry again. Asperger's. I tend to ramble. I will look for an off topic channel |
| 11:31.19 | wols_ | fpu: hello grandma |
| 11:31.30 | fpu | I'm trying to cross-compile x driver |
| 11:31.39 | ompaul | kuznetzvo: #debian-offtopic is available |
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| 11:31.54 | fpu | basically I'm not sure how to set ./configure script options |
| 11:32.00 | fpu | right now it's something akin to |
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| 11:32.28 | fpu | ./configure --build=i686 --host=arm-none-eabi --target=arm-none-eabi --prefix=/home/fpu/dev/arm-2011.03/bin/ |
| 11:32.32 | fpu | but that doesn't work |
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| 11:32.40 | fpu | it tries to compile with my regular i686 gcc |
| 11:32.55 | wols_ | export CC=path-to-crosscompiler |
| 11:32.59 | baethan | Hi! what's the common mistake for setting up virtual host and gets a permission denied access error? |
| 11:33.28 | fpu | wols_: in this /bin/ directory there are binaries like arm-none-eabi-gcc, arm-none-eabi-g++, etc... |
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| 11:33.48 | fpu | should I set CC to /bin/arm-none-eabi- |
| 11:33.55 | fpu | or just to /bin/ |
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| 11:34.03 | wols_ | to the cross compiler binary |
| 11:34.37 | fpu | /bin/arm-none-eabi-gcc ? |
| 11:34.38 | fpu | just like that? |
| 11:34.49 | wols_ | yes, just like that |
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| 11:35.27 | fpu | ok, let's try |
| 11:36.12 | fpu | it's the same :-( |
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| 11:37.54 | wols_ | fpu: what's in your /usr/lib/gcc? |
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| 11:39.59 | wols_ | fpu: no, seems it's in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ for me. possibly /usr/lib/i686-linux-gnu or so for you |
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| 11:41.04 | fpu | hmm |
| 11:41.14 | fpu | I'm compiling it on i686 |
| 11:41.19 | fpu | To work on arm |
| 11:41.44 | wols_ | so where is your arm cross compiler on disk exactly? |
| 11:42.03 | fpu | /home/fpu/dev/arm-2011.03/arm-none-eabi-gcc |
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| 11:42.16 | wols_ | duh! |
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| 11:42.49 | fpu | wols_: no idea? |
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| 11:43.11 | jsoft | . |
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| 11:43.48 | wols_ | for it to work with configure, it has to be put in the proper places, not just some nameless subdir of ~. how do you suggest can configure find your compiler? |
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| 11:45.02 | fpu | README file of driver says to use something like |
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| 11:45.25 | fpu | ./configure --prefix=... |
| 11:45.29 | SpeedyG | hm, how can I identify a process that's gone crazy? after selecting the 'open link' option in Konsole on one of the pastebin links posted in this irssi terminal, somehow it seems as if konqueror gets started like a million times |
| 11:45.33 | SpeedyG | but in ps aux output I dont see konqueror at all :/ |
| 11:45.38 | fpu | I tried ./configure --build=i686 --host=arm-none-eabi --target=arm-none-eabi --prefix=/home/fpu/dev/arm-2011.03/bin/ |
| 11:45.42 | fpu | and several others |
| 11:45.43 | SpeedyG | and it just seems to keep on spawning new instances |
| 11:45.44 | fpu | no luck :-( |
| 11:45.56 | SpeedyG | entire taskbar has gone full of apps running :/ |
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| 11:47.30 | fpu | hmm |
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| 11:47.38 | fpu | I'll just try copying that gcc binary to /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:47.42 | fpu | just for a second :p |
| 11:47.44 | wols_ | fpu: --prefix=PREFIX install architecture-independent files in PREFIX {/usr/local] |
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| 11:48.02 | wols_ | this has nothing to do with where to look for compilers and such but for where to put the finished compiled binaries |
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| 11:50.27 | fpu | oops |
| 11:51.15 | fpu | but... |
| 11:51.19 | fpu | this is from README file of this driver |
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| 11:51.22 | fpu | ./configure --build=x86_64-linux --host=arm-linux-gnueabi --target=arm-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr/local/qcomle/arm/arm-linux-gnueabi/ |
| 11:51.25 | fpu | This will configure the system to use the 'arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc' compiler. |
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| 11:51.50 | wols_ | fpu: and how is this arm-linux-gnueabi compiler installed? |
| 11:51.57 | kuznetzvo | maybe you can use the stuff on xda-developers.org |
| 11:52.06 | fpu | right! |
| 11:52.11 | kuznetzvo | That's the only HTC relevant data I have, but all their major releases have been AWESOME |
| 11:52.19 | fpu | it's just looking for /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc |
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| 11:54.29 | mutante | on wheezy, Gnome, have US and German keyboard layout, i keep switching it back to German layout by clicking the menu bar next to the clock, but it switches back to US all the time, and i dont know exactly when it happens though. what would be the mechanism? i have also tried to completely remove the US layout from Keyboard Preferences, but it came back by itself. (i dont want German locales, all text should be US English, just not the keyboard layout) |
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| 11:55.26 | fpu | or maybe not :-( I don't know, I'm helpless here |
| 11:56.06 | SpeedyG | hm, when I open a link from the terminal, somehow instead of the actual url, it opens some temp-file stored in /var/run |
| 11:56.26 | SpeedyG | anyone ever experienced that in KDE ? |
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| 11:56.35 | SpeedyG | euhm, in /var/tmp I mean |
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| 11:56.44 | SpeedyG | and then the process just keeps on loading |
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| 11:57.55 | wols_ | mutante: put LANG=C in your /etc/environment |
| 11:58.12 | wols_ | !tell mutante about keymap |
| 11:58.28 | mutante | thanks wols_ |
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| 12:00.24 | naiv | « grep "^[A-B]" inputfile.txt » doesn't filter downcase letters, any idea why ? |
| 12:00.46 | gray-- | grep -i ? |
| 12:01.07 | phogg | naiv: grep is case sensitive unless you specify -i |
| 12:01.12 | gray-- | or grep "^[A-Ba-b]" ? |
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| 12:01.23 | gray-- | dunno about my second suggestion, give it a try perhaps |
| 12:01.29 | phogg | it would work |
| 12:01.53 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.08 | gray-- | (ta :) ) |
| 12:02.45 | naiv | I'm sorry, I mean it gives downcase and upcase ! Yes I want only upcase letters. I tried with \grep too. |
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| 12:03.48 | gray-- | it gives both? weird |
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| 12:04.12 | gray-- | strip it down a bit, try grep ^A and what happens |
| 12:04.27 | phogg | naiv: doesn't do that for me. What does your input look like? |
| 12:04.29 | gray-- | also, type 'alias' and see if you've got any weird aliases for grep |
| 12:04.58 | naiv | gray--: \grep may ignore all aliases |
| 12:05.28 | gray-- | \grep ? |
| 12:06.06 | gray-- | alas, gotta dash, good luck with the grep'ing |
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| 12:06.51 | naiv | http://pastebin.com/WdAZG4xJ |
| 12:07.29 | simonlnu | gray--: grep |
| 12:07.33 | naiv | gray--: if I remember well, \ is a meta character in bash to cancel aliases |
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| 12:07.46 | fpu | ok |
| 12:07.53 | fpu | now I'm 100% sure it tries to use my compiler |
| 12:07.59 | fpu | but |
| 12:08.01 | fpu | it prints out |
| 12:08.12 | fpu | error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 12:08.50 | kuznetzvo | why not? |
| 12:09.14 | pbase | thewanderer1: thanks. the files lead me to a ubuntu post. found it for my card and now the sound in headphone/mic works fine. had to put thinkpad instead of lenovo this time as the model :-) |
| 12:09.17 | kuznetzvo | is it not running with SYSTEM or KERNEL level rights trying to dump it to a folder it can't access? |
| 12:09.20 | kuznetzvo | fpu^ |
| 12:09.59 | fpu | I have no idea why |
| 12:10.30 | themill | !b-e fpu |
| 12:10.31 | dpkg | fpu: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:10.50 | fpu | I have build-essential |
| 12:10.57 | fpu | I'm trying to cross compile |
| 12:10.58 | fpu | it calls |
| 12:11.01 | fpu | arm-eabi-gcc |
| 12:11.04 | fpu | which is my compiler |
| 12:11.12 | fpu | and then it prints out this |
| 12:11.14 | phogg | naiv: works for me |
| 12:11.47 | phogg | naiv: try "unalias grep" just to be sure |
| 12:12.02 | phogg | naiv: also, run "which grep" and make sure there's no wrapper |
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| 12:13.06 | naiv | I found a clue with gray test : ^[ABCD] but ^[A-D] doesn't |
| 12:13.31 | naiv | phogg: done, looks normal |
| 12:13.46 | themill | naiv: this is your locale setting |
| 12:13.49 | naiv | maybe a locale or something |
| 12:14.15 | phogg | naiv: yes, locale was my next guess |
| 12:14.48 | themill | naiv: LANG=C grep ⦠(LC_COLLATE is all you actually need to set, but LANG will be faster) |
| 12:15.52 | naiv | The file contains French words but my locale is LANG=en_US.UTF-8, with LANG=C it now works ! thank you everybody |
| 12:17.17 | themill | naiv: [A-D] in en_US is [AbBcCdD] (i.e. not what you wanted) |
| 12:18.30 | naiv | If I had read grep manual I would have know ^[[:upper:]] works with my locale |
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| 12:19.12 | naiv | themill: oh I see, good to know |
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| 12:32.42 | TimmyT | how to compile something on a amd64 pc for running on an arm device? |
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| 12:39.53 | MarKsaitis | where do I configure lid close action on this new debian? |
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| 12:40.07 | MarKsaitis | I do not want my laptop to sleep ever when closing the lid |
| 12:40.10 | MarKsaitis | help |
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| 12:42.08 | MarKsaitis | help! |
| 12:44.03 | kuznetzvo | that's under power |
| 12:44.13 | kuznetzvo | like.. here sec |
| 12:45.03 | kuznetzvo | got it |
| 12:45.19 | kuznetzvo | in gnome it's at the top: SYSTEM > PREFERENCES > POWER MANAGEMENT is where i do it |
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| 12:48.14 | MarKsaitis | kuznetzvo, that lid option is not there for me |
| 12:48.22 | MarKsaitis | ;] |
| 12:49.05 | kuznetzvo | oh bugger |
| 12:49.10 | kuznetzvo | you don't have gdm or kde? |
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| 12:51.25 | MarKsaitis | gnome only kuznetzvo |
| 12:51.51 | MarKsaitis | it is a quite fresh new debian squeeze install with gnome |
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| 12:52.13 | kuznetzvo | you're logged in, right? |
| 12:52.17 | kuznetzvo | on this machine? |
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| 12:52.42 | Quibus | hi all |
| 12:53.30 | Quibus | Question: when I do an Alt-SysRq S and then a B, I'd expect that my filesystems would be clean when booting. But only my system partition is clean, the other partition (with /home) always has to do an fsck... How can I fix this? |
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| 12:54.52 | samtuke | Hi, it seems that bluez isn't used by debian 6 to handle bluetooth pairings - I'm using bluetooth input devices sucessfully with bleutooth-applet but bluez isn't installed. So I don't have an hcid.conf, so where is info about device pairings stored in debian? |
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| 12:57.34 | voltagex | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/08/msg00120.html Any ideas about this? |
| 12:58.06 | kuznetzvo | quibus: maybe it's angry about lvm or some weird module not exiting properly and thats dirty because processes after the module or lvm failure don't finish prior to reset/shutdown |
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| 12:58.26 | Quibus | kuznetzvo: I don't have lvm stuff active |
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| 12:58.34 | kuznetzvo | mmm =\ |
| 12:58.57 | samtuke | ok so bluez-gnome and bluez are separate, but can someone tell me where bluez-gnome conf files are stored? |
| 12:58.58 | Quibus | according to kernel docs, it should sync *all* mounted filesystems. |
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| 12:59.03 | kuznetzvo | you need to go into the GUI and use system lid at the top to look at the smart data for your drive |
| 12:59.04 | Quibus | But apparently, it doesn't |
| 12:59.10 | kuznetzvo | we should make sure it's not getting ready to die |
| 12:59.26 | Quibus | kuznetzvo: I have smartd running to tell me if it is |
| 12:59.29 | Quibus | no reports |
| 12:59.35 | sKeiths | apt-get install conky reports E:Unable to locate package conky do i need to enable some commented out repository? |
| 12:59.54 | MarKsaitis | kuznetzvo, yeah, I am in gnome desktop with normal user |
| 12:59.57 | MarKsaitis | I have root too |
| 13:01.11 | MarKsaitis | kuznetzvo, I would use gnome-power-manager, but it doesnt work, drops me some stupid errors |
| 13:01.27 | kuznetzvo | The errors might be telling you what it's angry about |
| 13:01.35 | MarKsaitis | The program 'gnome-power-manager' received an X Window System error. |
| 13:01.36 | MarKsaitis | This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 13:01.39 | MarKsaitis | this is what it says |
| 13:01.43 | MarKsaitis | when I launch it |
| 13:01.44 | kuznetzvo | ok re: konky |
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| 13:02.11 | kuznetzvo | make sure your sources list has main contrib non-free, and another line for the proposed-updates if that stable enough 4u |
| 13:02.22 | MarKsaitis | TI:16:02:17TH:0x6f50a0FI:gpm-main.cFN:main,230 |
| 13:02.22 | MarKsaitis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.58 | MarKsaitis | service start dbus confirms that dbus is running =) |
| 13:03.19 | sKeiths | will try, thanks. |
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| 13:03.43 | MarKsaitis | and therefore such a message makes no sense |
| 13:03.56 | kuznetzvo | yeah looks like if you are logged in as root, dbus session daemon not started > that error |
| 13:04.03 | MarKsaitis | how come it be a stable distro ;] |
| 13:04.26 | MarKsaitis | kuznetzvo, I am logged in as a normal user. I did launch gnome-power-manager thorough su |
| 13:04.30 | MarKsaitis | in terminal |
| 13:04.34 | MarKsaitis | well, tried to |
| 13:05.08 | skilz | anyone aware of a slideshow like program for viewing images in debian? |
| 13:05.29 | anisfarhana | hello all :) |
| 13:06.01 | skilz | I want to be able to open an image from the folder and press the keyboard < and > right arrows to view the images. |
| 13:06.01 | kuznetzvo | you might be able to get a look at what could be happening in /var/log |
| 13:06.36 | anisfarhana | I am using postfixadmin 2.3.1 on lenny , i believe this package not include in apt-get , am i right here? |
| 13:07.25 | ompaul | skilz: but now with your frankenbuntu we don't know if you have broken the box beyond it's working ability. try gwenview it works for me for the role you have asked about. |
| 13:07.46 | MarKsaitis | kuznetzvo, thats fine. I did manage to find away to do it using gconf-editor |
| 13:08.03 | skilz | ompaul: Stop paying out MY box, there is nothing wrong with MY box. |
| 13:08.20 | skilz | ompaul: Thanks. |
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| 13:08.37 | kuznetzvo | kool |
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| 13:08.59 | skilz | I am not as stupid as you think. |
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| 13:10.22 | jsoft | so super stupid + 1? |
| 13:10.23 | jsoft | ;)( |
| 13:10.25 | jsoft | ;) |
| 13:11.50 | ompaul | skilz: you want me to make a statement, with no get out clause when I know how you have set up your repos. I don't think that is fair on me or anyone else who helps here. |
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| 13:12.42 | skilz | ompaul: I'm using fluxbox as this box as a very small ammount or ram, 512MB DDR. So I am trying to use the most minimal applications possible, you know of any smaller apps? (gwenview is 61.9MB download) |
| 13:12.44 | ompaul | skilz: we do this to allow people use debian correctly and easily, the idea of random repos working is great, until the day they don't. |
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| 13:13.12 | MarKsaitis | I have changed these values in gconf-editor to do nothing when lid closes.... and yet my laptop still goes to sleep |
| 13:13.23 | MarKsaitis | how the hell do I achieve this elementarry task on debian? |
| 13:13.27 | MarKsaitis | anybody knows debian here? |
| 13:13.33 | MarKsaitis | for godness sake |
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| 13:13.41 | skilz | ompaul: I only added the repo to 'easly' get some programs. It is commented out when I don't require it. |
| 13:13.55 | ompaul | skilz it is the one I use, if you want to find programs that do it why not "apt-cache search picture | grep -i viewer" rather than asking for specific programs without qualifiers. |
| 13:14.30 | skilz | ompaul: Because I was unaware I could do that, thanks for the insight mate :) |
| 13:14.30 | samtuke | bluetooth-applet does not use /etc/bluetooth/main.conf to store device data. so where is it stored? |
| 13:15.37 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I'm not saying this will work, but information here when I searched in a search engine for "turn off sleep debian" turned up this link first: http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 13:16.24 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, thanx, I will ive it a go. its just that gnome-power-manager doesnt want to launch for me ;] |
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| 13:17.24 | skilz | ompaul: Awsome, xzgv works fine and is only a couple of kb to download. |
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| 13:17.44 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: well you didn't say squeeze, you didn't say lenny, you didn't say testing, sid or even etch so really you didn't give anyone much hope of hitting it on the nail tbh ;-) |
| 13:17.58 | ompaul | skilz: good |
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| 13:18.10 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, debian squeeze stable |
| 13:18.10 | MarKsaitis | ;] |
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| 13:18.26 | ompaul | squeeze is useful info ;-) |
| 13:18.49 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: try it and see how you get on, I'd be interested myself in hearing if it works. |
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| 13:20.20 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I think I will better end up cutting the screen off the laptop so I dont need to close it. I need to read so many pages to know how to disable this feature.... ridiculous |
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| 13:22.31 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: cat /sys/power/pm_* and see what helps |
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| 13:22.45 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: it is not a simple matter, it never has been. |
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| 13:23.29 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: you want the "authorities on it" http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-power |
| 13:23.39 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I would think that there should be a button fir this in this "modern@ gnome interface |
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| 13:24.28 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: you have the interest, you seem to have the time, and I think I have given you enough information to add stuff to the wiki in a simple one line hack. It really can't be that hard. |
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| 13:25.15 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I have a laptop beside me, I have never thought of this as a problem before, race you to the end of a test :) |
| 13:25.17 | MarKsaitis | wiki? |
| 13:25.23 | ompaul | the laptop is off atm |
| 13:25.25 | IceGuest_77 | hello guys, i am verry new on linux. i want to install debian from Index of debian-cd 6.0.2.1 amd64 bt-dvd. must install of this iso 1 to 8..? |
| 13:25.26 | MarKsaitis | ;] |
| 13:25.54 | ompaul | (hint the kernel.org data seems to be best) |
| 13:25.57 | dvs | IceGuest_77: only the first one is necessary if you have an Internet connection |
| 13:26.00 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, thanx anyway. I didnt quite understood what u meant by wiki though |
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| 13:26.25 | ompaul | add useful info into the debian wiki when you work out what is going on |
| 13:26.37 | IceGuest_77 | thanks dvs. how about the md5 sum |
| 13:26.50 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, is it normal that if I login as root to gnome session, open terminal, type in gnome-power-manager and it doesnt work? Drops an error? |
| 13:26.56 | dvs | IceGuest_77: That's just to double check if the image downloaded correctly. |
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| 13:29.20 | IceGuest_77 | dvs. i dont have an internet connection. so what to do is i must install all dvd iso 1-8.. is it correct? |
| 13:29.26 | IceGuest_77 | manually |
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| 13:30.38 | dvs | IceGuest_77: You can install using the first few DVDs but if you need a package that is not on one of those discs, you need to download the other DVDs. |
| 13:30.42 | IceGuest_77 | or just install dvd iso 1 and then upgrade |
| 13:30.58 | wols_ | IceGuest_77: no. simply use DVD1 which has most the software you want. you can download all 8 but it's rarely if ever necessary. |
| 13:31.04 | IceGuest_77 | update* |
| 13:31.08 | wols_ | IceGuest_77: get DVD1 |
| 13:31.29 | IceGuest_77 | orait guys.. thanks |
| 13:31.35 | dvs | np |
| 13:31.35 | wols_ | IceGuest_77: if you have a internet connection, CD1 or netinst are enough. |
| 13:32.03 | dvs | he doesn't |
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| 13:32.13 | IceGuest_77 | yes i dont have |
| 13:33.03 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: this one looks like fun on testing - can't get echo 0 > pm_async - to work |
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| 13:33.42 | ompaul | it may be a DE problem and as I use KDE then I'm not going to be much use to you |
| 13:33.46 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, its not very much fun when simple "should work" stuff doesnt work on a stable distro |
| 13:34.17 | MarKsaitis | I am not an enthusiast very much for things like that. I only like to apply stuff in practise |
| 13:35.55 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, have u tried gconf-editor -> apps -> gnome-power-manager -> buttons. And configured lid_close action to nothing. I did this, restarted the system and guess what, this method doesnt work |
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| 13:36.14 | MarKsaitis | The action to take when the laptop lid is closed and the laptop is on AC power. Possible values are "suspend", "hibernate", "blank" and "nothing". |
| 13:36.20 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I said I used KDE gconf is no use to me |
| 13:36.34 | MarKsaitis | this is what it says. But doesnt work ;] |
| 13:36.36 | MarKsaitis | oh ok |
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| 13:37.22 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: read the kernel.org stuff and blame those who make the hardware for it not working if you don't mind, they did not tell people enough ime |
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| 13:38.18 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I don't think it is a hardware problem since linux notices that lid is closed and then initiates pm-suspend |
| 13:38.41 | MarKsaitis | If it would be a HW problem then I think linux would not notice if lid was closed |
| 13:39.07 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: it might not be reacting as documented to attempts to get it not to happen |
| 13:39.20 | ompaul | (in fact this seems to be the case) |
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| 13:43.18 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, it seems that my laptop goes to sleep mode instantly after I unplug the power..... ftw? Never happened when it had centos |
| 13:44.18 | samtuke | MarKsaitis, as others may have said you can just disable acpi, that should solve it, but also have potentially undesirable side effects in lost features |
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| 13:45.02 | MarKsaitis | samtuke, but why do I get this problem? It works fine under centos. Same kernel, same gnome.... whats the difference |
| 13:45.19 | samtuke | MarKsaitis, config, no doubt |
| 13:45.32 | MarKsaitis | how do I permanently disable ACPI then? I do not ever want my PC to go to sleep |
| 13:45.38 | samtuke | MarKsaitis, but finding and changing the config will take longer than just disabling acpi |
| 13:45.50 | MarKsaitis | samtuke, I didnt configure anything on this fresh install |
| 13:46.07 | samtuke | MarKsaitis, you can change it in grub as I recall, add noacpi as a boot option or something, maybe in menu.lst, I can't remember exactly |
| 13:46.34 | MarKsaitis | I see |
| 13:46.43 | MarKsaitis | I just wanted it to work normally as it should |
| 13:46.52 | samtuke | MarKsaitis, websearching should tell you all you need |
| 13:46.58 | MarKsaitis | what should I reinstall to get it all back with default stuff? |
| 13:47.13 | ompaul | we don't know what you changed |
| 13:48.06 | wols_ | MarKsaitis: you have a laptop? |
| 13:48.10 | samtuke | MarKsaitis, reinstall? why would you do that |
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| 13:48.45 | MarKsaitis | wols_, samtuke yes it is a laptop. I mean what packages should I reinstall to get it to work normally? |
| 13:48.52 | wols_ | with a laptop you never ever want to disable acpi |
| 13:49.13 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I didnt change anything, only lid close values to do nothin in gconfeditor |
| 13:49.25 | MarKsaitis | I didnt change anything else because I didnt find what to change |
| 13:49.38 | MarKsaitis | omg, what should I do |
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| 13:50.11 | samtuke | MarKsaitis, chill out. you'll find a solution if you're patient. |
| 13:50.13 | themill | doesn't gnome-power-manager have a nice clicky interface for this? |
| 13:50.28 | MarKsaitis | I am in this laptop thorough an NX session. gnome-power-manager command line doesnt bring me GUI |
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| 13:51.06 | MarKsaitis | samtuke, the problem is that I do not have time to be patient. I will leave this laptop to run here as I will leave it at home whilst I will be away from tommorow for the next half year |
| 13:51.25 | thomasfedb | Hey, whats the url for searing backport kernels for debian? |
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| 13:51.55 | Menno | Hi guys. Have we got any nuclear experts in here? |
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| 13:53.05 | Menno | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/PanoBunker.jpg |
| 13:53.09 | Menno | Look at this amazing bunker. |
| 13:53.19 | themill | Menno: I think you're in the wrong channel |
| 13:53.51 | Menno | Wouldn't you want one of those to protect you from high-powered gamma rays? |
| 13:53.58 | dvs | themill: We could use it against ubuntu! ;-) |
| 13:54.20 | themill | Menno: perhaps you were looking for #defocus or ##physics. |
| 13:54.21 | MarKsaitis | wols_, why not to disable acpi on a laptop? |
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| 13:55.19 | wols_ | cause you disable the power management then |
| 13:55.58 | MarKsaitis | and hwat happens then? what could happen? |
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| 13:58.10 | dvs | MarKsaitis: Shortened battery life for one... |
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| 13:58.58 | ompaul | dvs: that ain't an issue if the box is left on for a year ... it is going to have its battery will be toast |
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| 13:59.46 | ompaul | dvs: after being left on for a year, its battery will be toast ( wow that 1st edition didn't parse well ) |
| 14:00.13 | dvs | ompaul: KO... er.... OK ;-) |
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| 14:01.05 | MarKsaitis | toast battery? |
| 14:01.07 | MarKsaitis | how come ;] |
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| 14:01.49 | MarKsaitis | so what should I do? omg. I just want to turn off this stupid suspend.... I close the lid - it suspends. I unlpug AC power - it suspends in 1 sec too! ftw |
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| 14:01.54 | thomasfedb | I can't find any backports of linux-image on the backports site, though i know there should be some. Any ideas? |
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| 14:02.31 | ompaul | leave the lid open |
| 14:02.57 | dvs | MarKsaitis: Isn't there power option in a GUI panel someplace? I can find it in KDE. |
| 14:02.59 | ompaul | it will allow heat to disapate |
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| 14:04.46 | MarKsaitis | DVS. There is gnome-power-manager GUI application which doesnt even start! mabye because I am in thru NX session? dunno |
| 14:05.09 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: why not work on the lappy itself |
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| 14:06.40 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I have had issues where machines don't do what I think they should in nx but restarting the nx session and they do - if that is your situation you are about to hit yourself off a wall for no reason |
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| 14:08.48 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, well I am going to go on this machine physically now |
| 14:09.28 | dvs | o_O |
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| 14:09.39 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: good luck with that (kde might be the solution if gnome does not work for ya) - you are suggesting time pressure so I'll leave it up to you :-) |
| 14:09.41 | MarKsaitis | this suspend stuff sucks big time today |
| 14:10.43 | MarKsaitis | here is another issue. I have just restarted the laptop, tried to login as root and it says: Authentication Failure |
| 14:10.52 | MarKsaitis | what the hell is the problem with that? |
| 14:10.52 | MarKsaitis | ;] |
| 14:11.12 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: also if you are having problems when power is disconnected ... perhaps your battery is not working maybe if you have the time a UPS would be useful |
| 14:11.46 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, the battery is ok. It seems that linux tell itself to suspend when I unplug the power ;] |
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| 14:12.27 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: after a year it won't be so good at that - batteries like to get used |
| 14:12.34 | jargon- | this box is a fresh debian wheezy kde4.6 installation and when i logged in the first time i got this notification: http://i.imgur.com/qpbMu.png it's gone now after running `aptitude update && aptitude upgrade;aptitude dist-upgrade`,but `dpkg -l|grep virtuoso` shows nothing installed. |
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| 14:14.38 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I restarted the system and didnt use NX. It seems that the system behaves normally now. It doesnt suspend when I unplug power, doesnt suspend when I close lid |
| 14:14.43 | MarKsaitis | power manager is working |
| 14:14.44 | dvs | !tell IceGuest_77 -about away |
| 14:14.56 | MarKsaitis | I also have battery icon in the tray too |
| 14:15.11 | MarKsaitis | so it seems this NX screws everything up |
| 14:15.14 | Wally | oh we're all.. honnky dory about that here too D: |
| 14:15.19 | MarKsaitis | what a terrible soft |
| 14:15.29 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: not a problem you can fix then without using something else I guess |
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| 14:16.08 | garotosopa | Can I customize an aptitude view with an external command? I want a package list with just a few packages. I can get this list from the command line with aptitude search | perl, but I'd like it in aptitude's interface. Any tip? |
| 14:16.35 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, what else could I use insted of this stinky NX? I thought it just displays your session... but it seems it does some other shitty magic |
| 14:17.44 | ompaul | it does a lot more - search for "replace xdmcp" I can't remember the name of the program, nor do I know how it will behave on your system, but at least it should be native |
| 14:18.01 | ompaul | begins with a V iirc |
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| 14:19.07 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, any better solutions for multiple sessions? |
| 14:20.01 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I have given you one |
| 14:20.10 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: and you can run screen |
| 14:20.11 | mosno | compiz seems to have a hard dep on compiz-gnome, shouldn't this be soft? |
| 14:20.48 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, guess what :D I did log out physically with my normal acc and then login using NX with the same acc. If I close lid now - it goes to sleep |
| 14:20.59 | MarKsaitis | how ridiculous is that |
| 14:21.24 | MarKsaitis | nah |
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| 14:21.31 | MarKsaitis | this stupid NX is not for me |
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| 14:21.58 | mosno | ah, there's already a wishlist http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623173 |
| 14:22.10 | MarKsaitis | replace XDMCP? ompaul |
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| 14:22.30 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: don't know if this helps you remmina |
| 14:22.38 | ompaul | don't use it myself |
| 14:22.47 | MarKsaitis | remmina? |
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| 14:23.14 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: you wanted a package I got you the name, please go check it out |
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| 14:23.18 | MarKsaitis | I will give it a go thank you! What about that other one begining with v? |
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| 14:23.26 | ompaul | I was wrong |
| 14:23.35 | ompaul | for some reason the letter v was in my mind |
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| 14:23.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:24.08 | DexterF | does dm-crypt support AES hardware as in coe i5 cpus? |
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| 14:26.09 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, thats a client only |
| 14:26.19 | MarKsaitis | do you know a solution to replace NX? |
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| 14:29.26 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: what kind of box are you connecting from? |
| 14:29.38 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, windows |
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| 14:31.42 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: ahh you got me there, I'd think about stuff like installing kde / gnome on cygwin - I said think but that's just me |
| 14:31.50 | ompaul | or virtualbox or something |
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| 14:32.09 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I know very little about windows, and I'll keep it that way. ;-) |
| 14:32.13 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, I can use xming with putty and x forwarding |
| 14:32.15 | AntiVigilante | is there a decent awstats configuration tool |
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| 14:32.21 | MarKsaitis | to achieve the same |
| 14:32.24 | AntiVigilante | the installer is broken |
| 14:32.34 | MarKsaitis | the problem is that default X stuff doesnt compress itself ;] |
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| 14:32.47 | kpc21 | hi |
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| 14:32.58 | italian_coderr | Hi all |
| 14:33.07 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I have 10 computers in this room, and every last one of them has no windows on them, and 11 if you include my phone |
| 14:33.09 | italian_coderr | I have a problem |
| 14:33.19 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, there is very much to know about windows. it just works in practise and you dont need to learn internal system stuff if you dont want to. |
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| 14:33.36 | italian_coderr | I'm installing a debian squeeze in apple macbook pro 8,1 (latest macbook pro) |
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| 14:34.02 | italian_coderr | but the debian installer don't recognize my ethernet card |
| 14:34.57 | italian_coderr | how can I make? |
| 14:35.01 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: and if you were doing linux to linux you won't have any issues either ;-) and you seem to have the need for a linux box and I'm not getting into an o/s war other than to say windows is what it is a locked down restrictive drm enhancing ball of mud |
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| 14:35.37 | kpc21 | i have another problem |
| 14:35.39 | italian_coderr | the version is debian squeeze 6.0.2 for amd64 |
| 14:35.41 | MarKsaitis | DRM? :) |
| 14:35.45 | ompaul | italian_coderr: try bringing the file firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:35.59 | ompaul | italian_coderr: to your machine and installing it |
| 14:36.09 | italian_coderr | ompaul, i don't know |
| 14:36.15 | ompaul | !it |
| 14:36.16 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:37.47 | Menno | âAirplane passengers and crews traveling through just one thunderstorm of lightening-emitted X-rays, gamma rays and high-energy electrons could be exposed to radiation amounts equal to 400 chest X-rays.â |
| 14:37.50 | Menno | Do Debian users believe this? |
| 14:38.00 | kpc21 | since i lately updated debian with aptitude update/aptitude upgrade, when i suspend system, the network stops working |
| 14:38.17 | kpc21 | and i must reboot it |
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| 14:38.20 | ompaul | Menno: this is offtopic, it is not debian related, please leave it alone |
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| 14:39.07 | Menno | orpaul, Been using Debian almost since the day I was born. I think I can ask my fellow Debian users what I wish, thank you. |
| 14:39.20 | kpc21 | only reboot helps |
| 14:39.50 | ompaul | Menno: been using free software since before you were born in that case, and so it is with a small amount of authority I can say you are offtopic |
| 14:39.51 | kpc21 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) |
| 14:40.26 | kpc21 | do sb have any idea? |
| 14:40.38 | wols_ | kpc21: upgraded your kernel? |
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| 14:41.08 | kpc21 | yes but on old kernel problem also occures |
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| 14:43.13 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, ok. Here are the news. It seems that the system behaves this bad by default. When the system is up and nobody is physically logged on, it suspends when u close the lid or when u unplug the power. If anybody is logged on physically, then it adheres to power manager's policy. |
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| 14:43.22 | MarKsaitis | does anybody know how to change this? |
| 14:43.35 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: stay logged in |
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| 14:44.10 | thomaschaaf | hey I have a user named thomas and I would like to cd into a folder and run a command as a screen. I imagine this working as follows: su - thomas -c "screen -AmS tf 'cd folder && ./execute command" but it does not work |
| 14:44.22 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, at some point in the future this laptop will needto be restarted. I will not be around for the next half year |
| 14:44.23 | MarKsaitis | ;] |
| 14:45.07 | MarKsaitis | it is some sort of default power manager behaviour |
| 14:45.07 | thomaschaaf | always says cannot exec .... |
| 14:46.30 | ompaul | thomaschaaf: try sh ./command |
| 14:47.21 | jargon- | is there a default keyboard shortcut for switching Konsole tabs? |
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| 14:47.32 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: have it auto log you in with all the problems that indicates |
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| 14:48.17 | voltagex | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/08/msg00120.html Any ideas about this? |
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| 14:49.56 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, but there must be a normal way ;] |
| 14:50.03 | MarKsaitis | it is some sort of default stuff |
| 14:50.11 | MarKsaitis | not user related if nobody is logged in |
| 14:50.35 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: I've offered my ideas, all out of them, you'll have to work something out yourself, |
| 14:52.02 | MarKsaitis | well. It clearly seems that it is a logical default somewhere. Logically thinking, a smart system would suspend if power is unplugged when no user is in on a laptop to conserve energy |
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| 14:53.14 | phaidros | using rsyslog, I send message to local5.info into a seperate logfile, how can I prevent that the message is also going into /var/log/messages ? |
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| 14:53.18 | ompaul | MarKsaitis: if you kill apci as someone said elsewhere you might end up with a puddle of plastic when you get back, you could of course visit frys or whatever you have near you and buy a small tower for a couple of hundred and do a basic install at least it is designed to work as you want |
| 14:53.30 | mjmt | What should I run after putting a .desktop file in /usr/local/share/applications? |
| 14:54.03 | ompaul | mjmt: what are you trying to do |
| 14:54.15 | MarKsaitis | ompaul, everything is almost ok. I will try to find a prob. I think it some sort of default when no users are in |
| 14:54.35 | mjmt | I added something that I want to show up in my apps menu. |
| 14:54.44 | phaidros | ok, got it, *.=info goes always to messages :/ |
| 14:54.55 | ompaul | mjmt: gnome kde what>? |
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| 14:55.52 | ompaul | mjmt: in kde edit by right clicking on the menu and choosing edit, in gnome run alacarte to edit the menus |
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| 14:55.55 | mjmt | ompaul: GNOME. Just it's hard to find info specific to Debian, what to run. |
| 14:56.07 | ompaul | mjmt: run whatever you want |
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| 14:56.50 | andax | I've accidentally deleted /var/log/mail.log on debian 6.0 , re-created the file with owner root.adm perms: 640 , reinstalled postfix and logging still not working. It was workin fine before I deleted it. How to re-create /var/log/mail.log correctly so logging will start working again? |
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| 14:57.26 | kpc21 | wols_: any idea about my problem? |
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| 15:01.34 | andax | oh ok restarting rsyslogd solved the problem :D |
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| 15:07.33 | phaidros | hm, how can prevent rsyslog to count messages (last message repeated X times) ? I want every occurany logged .. |
| 15:07.38 | phaidros | occurance |
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| 15:10.48 | ngeekx | can anyone help me? I am having an issue with debian, it freeze on a black sceen saying SIOCADDRT: No such process and the login screen never is reached, but I can connect on ssh server it seems the services is started but the login screen not... |
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| 15:11.25 | havoc | morning |
| 15:12.05 | havoc | I'm using bootable swraid1 and having issues |
| 15:12.25 | havoc | it's loads the kernel but fails to assemble all the arrays and drops into busybox |
| 15:12.42 | havoc | from busybox I can manually assemble the arrays just fine |
| 15:13.08 | havoc | but I'm at the point where google is failing me and I need further direction |
| 15:13.43 | havoc | mdadm --examine and --detail are showing everything as being fine |
| 15:13.52 | stack | in gpg how do I choose a different subkey for signing a message (i wuold have a master key with different subkeys for different usage)? |
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| 15:17.41 | freegamehosting | hello guys. i wanne write a script that logs in with ssh onto another linux machines and run some command. what language do u guys advice for doing this i'm thinking of python/bash/axpect |
| 15:17.45 | freegamehosting | expect |
| 15:18.27 | ompaul | ssh foo@otherbox command |
| 15:18.47 | themill | ws2k3: such things already exist btw. |
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| 15:20.16 | ws2k3 | themill how u mean or what are u trying to say? |
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| 15:20.34 | ws2k3 | ompaul the script needs to be called from php |
| 15:20.45 | ws2k3 | so i cannot use console because php cannot wait |
| 15:22.06 | themill | ws2k3: needs to be called from php... won't wait for output... what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 15:23.35 | ws2k3 | i wanne run a command and i need the output back another machine true ssh from php |
| 15:24.10 | Sgt_Lemming | got a fun one atm, trying to get squeeze onto an IBM bladecentre, don't have physical access to it |
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| 15:24.50 | gholen | Yeah, hi. I'd like some guidence on right. I'm trying to get my wordpress blog to work, but I get 403. |
| 15:24.51 | wifi | hi just installed debian squeeze for the first time can u please help me with wifi driver installations |
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| 15:25.09 | wols_ | kpc21: you using network manager or what? in dmesg anything special, ifconfig shows what? |
| 15:25.18 | wols_ | wifi: what wlan chip? |
| 15:25.46 | wifi | broadcom 4313 |
| 15:25.53 | wols_ | groans |
| 15:25.56 | wols_ | !bcm4313 |
| 15:25.56 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by wlc_hybrid) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. |
| 15:26.15 | Sgt_Lemming | Tried using the "remote disk" feature of the blade centre manager to boot the netinstall iso |
| 15:26.22 | wols_ | wifi: /msg dpkg brcm80211 and /msg dpkg wl |
| 15:26.29 | Sgt_Lemming | now trying to pxe boot it from a smoothwall machine |
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| 15:26.39 | wifi | Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n |
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| 15:26.40 | Sgt_Lemming | anyone got any suggestions for things to check to get it working? |
| 15:26.43 | PircBot | hello |
| 15:27.03 | Sgt_Lemming | wget'd ftp://ftp.netspace.net.au/debian/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ to the TFTPboot servers dir |
| 15:27.58 | wifi | wols_: ? |
| 15:28.01 | themill | ws2k3: I still don't have a coherent picture of what you're trying to do, but perhaps the php ssh module would be worth investigating. |
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| 15:30.07 | wifi | Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) >> Wifi setup ? help please |
| 15:30.15 | wols_ | ws2k3: divide et impera. divide your problem into two: first running some program and capturing the output. then transmitting some information (that output) to another host |
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| 15:31.06 | wols_ | wifi: I gave you two commands to run and which will make the bot respond with information |
| 15:31.30 | Bushmills | maybe he's looking for a consultant to set it up for him? |
| 15:31.46 | wifi | no use they are displaying nothing |
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| 15:32.06 | wols_ | wifi: you are wrong |
| 15:32.20 | wols_ | !tell wifi about wl |
| 15:32.27 | wols_ | and the bot just messaged you again |
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| 15:33.29 | Sgt_Lemming | So I take it you see a lot of these chips wols_? :-P |
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| 15:33.56 | wols_ | Sgt_Lemming: and everyone who has a broadcom chip comes here, since they never work properly and never out of the box |
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| 15:34.02 | Sgt_Lemming | yeah |
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| 15:35.52 | havoc | bah, mdadm :( |
| 15:36.08 | havoc | or possibly grub; why won't you assemble the arrays? |
| 15:36.11 | Sgt_Lemming | havoc, least you can see your disks! :-P |
| 15:36.33 | havoc | I can assemble them fine manually from busybox, but can't get it to boot |
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| 15:36.45 | havoc | I just need ideas about new stuff to check |
| 15:37.05 | Bovola | ciao |
| 15:37.27 | Sgt_Lemming | I'm trying to install debian on a blade I don't have physical access too... |
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| 15:37.53 | havoc | I have IP KVM access to this box, and that's it, so no rescue disk :( |
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| 15:38.15 | Sgt_Lemming | fingers crossed |
| 15:38.36 | Sgt_Lemming | I think I have my netboot environment setup right.... this time |
| 15:39.39 | Sgt_Lemming | oh also I should mention I am remoted into a windows PC in the office where it is, to load the management interface for the blade chassis, to load the java vnc client, to connect to the IPKVM |
| 15:39.45 | Sgt_Lemming | so it's SLOW |
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| 15:40.43 | ws2k3 | themill i have a .php website and i want the website start a proces on another machine |
| 15:40.50 | ws2k3 | so i wanne connect to the other machine true ssh |
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| 15:41.10 | wols_ | ws2k3: true != through |
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| 15:41.37 | havoc | I'm wondering if I'm missing a module or something |
| 15:42.37 | havoc | but grub is loading raid and mdraid |
| 15:43.01 | havoc | and both raid1 and raid10 personalities are loaded right before the failure to assemble arrays |
| 15:43.08 | ws2k3 | wols yeah sorry |
| 15:43.46 | mosno | is there an alternative package for the buggy xfce battery plugin? |
| 15:43.54 | ws2k3 | i'm not realy an expert i use debian alot but i thinking of or php ssh into the remote machine or with php run a python/bash script that connect and runs |
| 15:44.02 | mosno | ie. something else i can use without dumping xfce and using the gnome-power-manager in gnome |
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| 15:44.23 | mosno | (hmm... in other words would it be dumb to use gnome-power-manager in xfce, i guess!) |
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| 15:45.31 | Sgt_Lemming | if I just wget the "netboot" directory off my local debian mirror, that should contain all relevant files for a PXE environment correct? |
| 15:45.47 | ws2k3 | i was reading true this: http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/make_ssh_connections_with_php/ but... i dont know. |
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| 15:47.17 | Sgt_Lemming | ws2k3, so long as you set it up well it should be fine |
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| 15:47.41 | Sgt_Lemming | also perhaps make a user on the other end that the script ssh's to that can ONLY start that process and nothing else? |
| 15:48.25 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 15:48.32 | ws2k3 | but i'm not until that |
| 15:49.09 | ws2k3 | i first need to decide how i let php connect to the remote machine through ssh or i let php execute a script |
| 15:49.41 | ws2k3 | and if i execute a script what language will that be. i have heard about except language anyone has some experience with that ? |
| 15:51.22 | havoc | oh boy, I did a break=mountroot and did it manually |
| 15:51.31 | havoc | still gonna have to figure this out eventually |
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| 15:54.16 | Sgt_Lemming | Ooooh O_o looks like I mihgt be getting somewhere |
| 15:54.50 | havoc | gah, this drives me nuts; being able enough to fix it (probably), yet out of ideas |
| 15:55.02 | havoc | I'm suspecting the initrd though |
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| 15:58.39 | anubisg1 | is there a "debian-packagers" channel or something ? |
| 15:59.00 | anubisg1 | or can i just as here |
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| 15:59.45 | themill | anubisg1: you can ask here; for more complicated packaging questions, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a better place |
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| 16:00.51 | anubisg1 | themill, ok thanks.. |
| 16:01.08 | anubisg1 | ok than... |
| 16:01.28 | anubisg1 | i have source tarball, that i cannot edit (for what ever reason) that tarball includes a "debian" folder already |
| 16:01.47 | shadow193193 | Hi all I have a problem during xorg configuration..I use a sgfxi script to configure and ati driver had been installed with errors...how can I uninstall that driver? |
| 16:01.53 | phorce1 | what could cause *root* to get a "permission denied" when attempting to mount a SATA connected ntfs-3g partition (including when using -o force)? |
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| 16:02.14 | anubisg1 | can i use that "debian" folder to make a deb without making a debian.tar.bz2 tarball (and removing that folder from the original tarball, that i cannot edit?) |
| 16:03.31 | themill | anubisg1: if you use source format 3.0 (quilt), then yes. The upstream debian/ just gets dropped by dpkg-source and your own one will be used. /msg dpkg debsrc3.0 |
| 16:03.38 | shadow193193 | phorce: chmod |
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| 16:04.42 | gnarface | is there a debian manual anywhere that covers system/kernel tuning for high-load servers? |
| 16:04.56 | anubisg1 | themill, than.. the upstream get dropped and mine debian.tar.bz2 is used... but if i would like to do the other way around? use the upstream debian and NOT have a debian.tar.bz2 ? is it still possible? |
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| 16:05.51 | themill | anubisg1: you can do that but it's not recommended. that only makes sense for "native" packages i.e. packages that have no meaning outside of debian and would never be useful in another distro. |
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| 16:06.37 | phorce1 | shadow193193: what? I'm trying to mount the drive as root. |
| 16:06.39 | Iridos | phorce1, what about the non-fuse driver, that can mount it? |
| 16:06.44 | anubisg1 | themill, indeed that's what i'm looking for.. just experimenting stuff.. so if i have a .dsc and the debian folder is ALREADY into the upstream tarball, that should work.. correct ? |
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| 16:07.12 | themill | anubisg1: it should work, but it's not a good long-term solution for something that would (say) be useful to both debian and redhat. |
| 16:07.19 | shadow193193 | phorce1, dont remember actually...trying to configure xorg:( |
| 16:07.40 | anubisg1 | themill, ok thanks a lot.. |
| 16:07.47 | phorce1 | facepalms |
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| 16:08.25 | Iridos | phorce1, one thing I could imagine would be if it's already mounted... but those type of things usually produce "device busy" |
| 16:08.26 | phorce1 | figured it out. Helps if you actually type the word 'mount' before all of the paths |
| 16:08.37 | Iridos | haha |
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| 16:11.02 | phorce1 | miss typing that and don't get the standard "command not found" error since it's not a mistyping, then keep using history to retry while changing stuff on the right side. <sigh> |
| 16:11.17 | Iridos | yeah, I know |
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| 16:11.33 | Iridos | phorce1, and he was 100% right with "chmod" :) |
| 16:11.55 | Iridos | you get the error because device files don't usually have the "x" flag set... and rightly so :) |
| 16:12.10 | shadow193193 | can anyone help me with uninstalling ati driver? |
| 16:13.06 | jhutchins_lt | shadow193193: How did you install it? |
| 16:13.55 | shadow193193 | with sgfxi script..but fglrx gave an error during installation:( and there is all except for it:( |
| 16:15.43 | Iridos | are you saying you spent a lot of effort into making a mess of it and now you ask us if there's a simple one-command solution to clean up the mess? |
| 16:15.52 | shadow193193 | script runs it in normal way |
| 16:16.05 | shadow193193 | then I dunno what is wrong:( |
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| 16:20.47 | Llywelyn | Hi everybody ;) |
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| 16:21.47 | Llywelyn | wondering... will irssi run fine on my P2 with 200Mb of RAM ? Was thinking on installing it |
| 16:21.55 | babe23f | what is the recommended X driver for an nvidia videocard ? |
| 16:22.13 | Iridos | !tell shadow193193 -about fglrx |
| 16:22.35 | babe23f | im currently using the nouveau X driver but it somehow doesnt let me change or set screen resolutions |
| 16:22.47 | shadow193193 | Iridos: dont understanding... |
| 16:22.48 | Iridos | shadow193193, you're not supposed to use scripts that work outside the package system... even if they work at the time, they break on the next upgrade |
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| 16:23.28 | shadow193193 | Then how to install my driver in normal way? |
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| 16:24.31 | babe23f | <-- they said this nickname would give me the best help in any nerdy channel |
| 16:25.01 | babe23f | <-- and oh yeah .. im single |
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| 16:25.23 | Iridos | shadow193193, you got a private message from the bot dpkg explaining on how to install it in debian. It's refering to further factoids, that's the one in <>-brackets... so you probably want to do /msg dpkg fglrx dkms ... you might also have a look at the wiki link (although I've not checked recently what that says... it'S a wiki, so people can edit it) |
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| 16:25.49 | Iridos | babe23f, and do you feel it's working? |
| 16:26.21 | babe23f | the nouveau X driver is working but it somehow doesnt let me change or set screen resolutions so whats the best X driver for an nvidia card ? |
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| 16:26.43 | wols_ | babe23f: xrandr doesn't? |
| 16:26.52 | Iridos | Llywelyn, try it and see? I don't see why not. At some point you'll start swapping... I guess that'll be very noticeable |
| 16:27.17 | babe23f | wols_: i dont have that module installed |
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| 16:27.26 | wols_ | !tell babe23f about installit |
| 16:27.31 | Llywelyn | Iridos: thanks :) |
| 16:27.40 | wols_ | babe23f: tho I somehow doubt that xorg doesn't come with xrandr |
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| 16:28.24 | Iridos | yeah... the module should be there... the program is in x11-xserver-utils |
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| 16:29.28 | babe23f | wols_: i found it |
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| 16:30.16 | babe23f | no wols_ failed to load module for xrandr |
| 16:30.19 | wols_ | babe23f: if you're lucky you're not a barbie after all |
| 16:30.33 | Iridos | math is hard? |
| 16:30.45 | wols_ | Iridos: lets esnd her shopping! |
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| 16:31.57 | babe23f | ive a 2 button mouse but setting the option Emulate3Buttons to "on" doesnt add the 3rd mouse button when both buttons are clicked |
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| 16:32.36 | babe23f | do i have to comment out the ZAxisMapping ? |
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| 16:34.02 | Iridos | no |
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| 16:37.09 | babe23f | so how do i enable 3 mousebuttons ? |
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| 16:38.30 | babe23f | come on nerds dont make me RAISE YOUR TAXES ! |
| 16:39.43 | ompaul | babe23f: eh, if you accepted it you would get the maths no problem. restart X after you have changed your settings and it should work |
| 16:39.56 | babe23f | no ompaul it doesnt |
| 16:40.01 | babe23f | thats why i ask |
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| 16:41.02 | ompaul | babe23f: and you've restarted |
| 16:41.13 | ompaul | X |
| 16:41.16 | ompaul | not the machine |
| 16:42.11 | babe23f | aha |
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| 16:42.21 | babe23f | ompaul: it does not work |
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| 16:44.47 | ompaul | babe23f: xev place your mouse over it, you need not to be drinking coffee when you do this (i.e. very steady hand) click left, click right and click both see what replies you get |
| 16:45.50 | ompaul | babe23f: you should see on the bottom line of the outputs you are interested in buttons 1 and 3 for left and right and 2 for both together |
| 16:45.57 | ompaul | if not then the setting is not in place |
| 16:46.01 | ompaul | or is not being read |
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| 16:49.16 | Sgt_Lemming | fscking WOOT!!!! |
| 16:49.18 | Sgt_Lemming | got it working |
| 16:49.24 | Sgt_Lemming | debian nearly installed on the blade |
| 16:49.38 | Sgt_Lemming | also means I can PXE the other 13 of them at some stage |
| 16:50.08 | Bushmills | raises ears |
| 16:50.12 | Bushmills | coffee? |
| 16:51.41 | Sgt_Lemming | well, the convoluted process I am doing does involve java... |
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| 16:51.59 | ompaul | .coffee Bushmills |
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| 16:52.28 | ompaul | kindly ignore my sillyness |
| 16:52.36 | Bushmills | wiff a shot, right? |
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| 16:52.51 | ompaul | Bushmills: is there another way? |
| 16:53.09 | babe23f | no ompaul button 1 and 3 together gives a button 1 and a button 3 event |
| 16:53.19 | Bushmills | yes. shot without the coffee |
| 16:53.23 | ompaul | babe23f: then the setting is not in place |
| 16:53.34 | babe23f | right |
| 16:53.38 | babe23f | i figured that too |
| 16:53.53 | ompaul | babe23f: what version are you using? |
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| 16:54.38 | babe23f | im running unstable here |
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| 16:54.46 | ompaul | babe23f: I take it you use a single finger to push down both at the same time |
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| 16:55.22 | ompaul | because using two fingers is 97.21% impossible |
| 16:55.31 | babe23f | whatever |
| 16:55.45 | ompaul | (or in other language - very very difficult) |
| 16:56.03 | ompaul | babe23f: so what does whatever translate into? |
| 16:56.18 | ompaul | yes, no, or only when a martian is on my shoulder? |
| 16:56.33 | babe23f | listen ompaul its ok to say youre clueless if you dont know |
| 16:56.54 | ompaul | I'm clueless as to whatever means |
| 16:57.08 | babe23f | then google it |
| 16:57.14 | ompaul | I am curious if you are using a single digit to depress the two buttons at once |
| 16:57.47 | tensorpudding | what kind of mouse is this? |
| 16:57.55 | tensorpudding | xorg should detect your mouse correctly automatically |
| 16:58.02 | babe23f | no it doesnt |
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| 16:58.40 | Bombo | how do i get the debian netinst.iso on a usb stick? |
| 16:59.10 | Sgt_Lemming | Bombo, google usb installer |
| 16:59.22 | Sgt_Lemming | there are a number of USB install utils around |
| 16:59.33 | Sgt_Lemming | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/sardu-multiboot-usb-creator-windows/ <--- that one does most every OS |
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| 17:01.54 | skilz | why does Master in alsamix not control my audio, only PCM |
| 17:01.59 | breivik | i got a two button ordinary mouse and i want to enable the 3rd mouse button when dubble clicking in X, which is the setting for that ? |
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| 17:02.29 | danielboston26 | i forgot my root password how do i reset it |
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| 17:02.56 | danielboston26 | im using debian 6 |
| 17:03.00 | babilen | !tell danielboston26 -about forgot root password |
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| 17:03.29 | rozie | !tell rozie -about forgot root password |
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| 17:03.44 | babilen | !tell rozie -about selftell |
| 17:04.03 | danielboston26 | only one problem with this solution |
| 17:04.13 | babilen | hmm? |
| 17:04.19 | danielboston26 | i don't see anything that starts with kernel in grub |
| 17:04.36 | babilen | danielboston26: What do you see in grub then? |
| 17:04.44 | danielboston26 | i see something that says set root so is there no root password? |
| 17:04.48 | rozie | danielboston26: that's the easiest way. you can also use /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh. but it don't make any difference |
| 17:05.41 | danielboston26 | !tell danielboston26 -how to set root password |
| 17:05.56 | babilen | danielboston26: You probably have multiple lines in the grub menu, one for each kernel or operating system. You can edit the actual grub command by pressing "e" which is exactly what you want to do. |
| 17:06.07 | danielboston26 | i did |
| 17:06.08 | danielboston26 | that |
| 17:06.09 | babilen | danielboston26: You can /msg the bot |
| 17:06.22 | babilen | danielboston26: and? |
| 17:06.30 | rozie | danielboston26: so add init=/bin/sh in this line and boot |
| 17:06.32 | danielboston26 | this is what i get |
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| 17:08.04 | Bombo | Sgt_Lemming: unetbootin will do it? |
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| 17:08.21 | babilen | Bombo: Most likely not, what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:08.27 | teratorn | Hi, should this disc image be bootable on a core i7? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 17:08.33 | babilen | danielboston26: "this" ? |
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| 17:08.41 | Bombo | seems to extract the iso and copy files instead of "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 17:09.03 | danielboston26 | insmod part msdos insmod ext2 set root=(hd0,msdos1)' search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set ffb6743a-4b4c-4323-b6e5-8b1d7f050\057 |
| 17:09.04 | Bombo | babilen: make a bottable usb stick with the netboot iso |
| 17:09.18 | Bombo | (under windows) |
| 17:09.19 | babilen | Bombo: Yes, unetbootin does not work for that. |
| 17:09.27 | babilen | !tell Bombo -about usb install |
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| 17:10.08 | babilen | Bombo: Use the tool linked in that factoid. You have to rename the iso to img though as Windows seems to be a bit anal when it comes to file extensions. |
| 17:10.10 | Bombo | win32-image-writer sounds like it |
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| 17:10.50 | danielboston26 | echo 'loading linux 2.6.32-5-686 linux /boot/vmlinzux-2.6.32-5-686 root=uuid=ffb6743a-4b4c-43230b6e508\b1d7f050057 ro quiet |
| 17:11.35 | danielboston26 | echo 'loading initial ramdisk initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 17:11.40 | Bombo | will 6.0.2 work on a intel atom d525 board? |
| 17:11.40 | danielboston26 | nothing about kernel |
| 17:11.42 | babilen | danielboston26: and if you add init=/bin/sh to the end of that line, press enter, what happens? |
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| 17:11.56 | danielboston26 | end of which line? |
| 17:12.16 | babilen | danielboston26: the first |
| 17:12.50 | breivik | i got a two button ordinary mouse and i want to enable the 3rd mouse button when dubble clicking in X, which is the setting for that ? |
| 17:13.03 | danielboston26 | it skips to a new line |
| 17:13.07 | danielboston26 | when i press enter |
| 17:13.11 | babilen | danielboston26: It is not that hard. You have multiple entries in your grub menu. Choose the one that you would normall boot, press e and then " init=/bin/sh<CR>" and you are done. |
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| 17:13.50 | breivik | hi Deadguy |
| 17:13.59 | danielboston26 | ok how do i reboot from this window |
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| 17:14.51 | danielboston26 | if i just power off will it save the changes i made? |
| 17:15.56 | danielboston26 | now who does this help me change my root password? |
| 17:16.25 | babilen | danielboston26: Ah, i've just booted a VM. You were right, enter doesn't work. If you look at the bottom though you see that you can press CTRL-X to boot |
| 17:16.31 | acx0 | when i run 'aptitude' (the curses version), in the top right i get 'will free 23 MB of disk space', does anyone know which aptitude command from the command line will do this? |
| 17:16.56 | danielboston26 | babilen how does this help me change the root password? |
| 17:17.04 | babilen | acx0: Could be "aptitude install" |
| 17:17.08 | acx0 | i checked the man page, but it seems 'clean' and 'autoclean' only apply to downloaded .deb packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:17.22 | acx0 | babilen, just by itself? or do you mean the next time i install a package? |
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| 17:18.00 | wols_ | danielboston26: you get a root shell to your system and can run passwd again |
| 17:18.15 | acx0 | babilen, hmm nevermind, that works, thanks a lot |
| 17:18.17 | danielboston26 | o ok thanks |
| 17:18.33 | babilen | danielboston26: you can then add "init=/bin/sh" to the line with the kernel (the vmlinuz one) |
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| 17:20.16 | sp00fz | Can some can tell me, why i am unable to mount usb. I get error :Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 17:20.16 | sp00fz | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
| 17:20.16 | sp00fz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.16 | sp00fz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.16 | sp00fz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:20.33 | danielboston26 | when i type passwd root it tells me i cannot modify the root password |
| 17:20.45 | lolcat | danielboston26: Oo |
| 17:20.52 | wols_ | danielboston26: run id |
| 17:20.56 | wols_ | or whoami |
| 17:21.04 | anisfarhana | you need to be root to change the root password..imho. |
| 17:21.32 | wols_ | danielboston26: and if you are root, then run please "mounte" and tell us the mount options for / |
| 17:21.43 | danielboston26 | well i forgot the root password i made i tried the one it should be but it says authentication failed |
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| 17:22.44 | ParkerR | danielboston26, PM |
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| 17:23.18 | sp00fz | Can some please tell me, why i am unable to auto mount usb. I get error: http://paste.debian.net/125301/ |
| 17:23.55 | jmarsden | sp00fz: If you told us what mount command you used it might help :) |
| 17:24.21 | wols_ | jmarsden: he said automount. he probably doesn't even know which automounter he uses |
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| 17:25.24 | jmarsden | wols_: Maybe. But then... where did he get the error message from? |
| 17:26.13 | sp00fz | None, because I just install it, and though that debian is as same as ubuntu where usb is mount automatically, I geuss it doesn't. |
| 17:26.14 | ParkerR | jmarsden, wols_ why don't you ask him what he used instead of acting like he know nothing |
| 17:26.20 | ParkerR | *knows |
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| 17:26.54 | jmarsden | will let ParkerR help out sp00fz |
| 17:26.58 | testalign | about dansguardian, do anyone here know how to block for example facebook.com and allow facebook for ip x.x.x.x? |
| 17:27.09 | Sgt_Lemming | huzzah |
| 17:27.12 | Sgt_Lemming | got it working :-D |
| 17:27.20 | Sgt_Lemming | now got direct ssh access to the blade |
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| 17:27.22 | wols_ | ParkerR: read what he wrote and you should know why we can be sure he doesn't know |
| 17:27.24 | Sgt_Lemming | that took some working |
| 17:27.34 | Sgt_Lemming | only taken me about 5 hours to get it working! |
| 17:27.46 | wols_ | ParkerR: but jmarsden had an excellent idea. good luck |
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| 17:28.41 | sp00fz | i installed http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs, but doesn't help either |
| 17:28.44 | ParkerR | sp00fz, maybe try sudo mkdir /media/usb then sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb |
| 17:29.03 | ParkerR | See what that says if anything |
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| 17:29.28 | sp00fz | yeah it works that way, but i dont want to always sudo it |
| 17:29.46 | sp00fz | i want that this is done auto |
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| 17:30.00 | ParkerR | OH so it does work manually |
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| 17:30.06 | ParkerR | Ok |
| 17:30.09 | sp00fz | yeah it does |
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| 17:30.31 | mrtnt1 | When does apt-get ask "Do you want to continue [Y/n]?" I mean it does happen with specific packages? |
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| 17:30.57 | sp00fz | yeah i already install it |
| 17:31.16 | ParkerR | sp00fz, PM |
| 17:31.25 | sp00fz | ok |
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| 17:33.45 | mwarning | where do I find netinstall cd images for debain unstable? |
| 17:34.00 | wols_ | mwarning: nowhere |
| 17:34.16 | mwarning | ah, ok |
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| 17:35.05 | mwarning | the issue is that I have a notebook with an newer network controller that doesn't seem to be recognized by the stable installer. |
| 17:35.31 | mwarning | (Atheros Communications AR8151 v2.0) |
| 17:35.36 | wols_ | mwarning: you don't need network access for a netinst installer |
| 17:35.48 | Sgt_Lemming | err...? |
| 17:35.50 | wols_ | mwarning: the pci id is more important |
| 17:36.16 | Sgt_Lemming | how does netinst work if you don't have a network connection? |
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| 17:36.22 | wols_ | Sgt_Lemming: just fine |
| 17:36.29 | Sgt_Lemming | ...? |
| 17:36.44 | wols_ | Sgt_Lemming: you get a fully working debian without any network access |
| 17:36.52 | Sgt_Lemming | it can install base system right, but nothing beyond that? |
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| 17:36.59 | wols_ | Sgt_Lemming: pretty much |
| 17:37.03 | Sgt_Lemming | kk |
| 17:37.03 | mwarning | the installer wants to connect to a debian mirror, which fails obviously.. |
| 17:37.04 | Bushmills | !kmuto |
| 17:37.04 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.38) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 17:37.19 | debianasus | !sources.list |
| 17:37.19 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:37.23 | wols_ | mwarning: it doesn't insist on connecting |
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| 17:38.48 | careta | hello all |
| 17:39.04 | mwarning | wols_, but I do not want to install/update software by copying all packages on a usb stick first |
| 17:39.07 | mwarning | :P |
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| 17:39.37 | wols_ | mwarning: does your AP use WPA or WPA2? |
| 17:40.13 | careta | hey guys using a 3.0 kernel on a squeeze system can cause problems? I'm using vbox from unstable, so the module should build |
| 17:40.44 | mwarning | wols_, I would have to install the wlan driver, yes. But that might be a road of troubles. |
| 17:41.16 | Sgt_Lemming | wlan normally is unfortunately :-( |
| 17:41.30 | debianasus | !repositories |
| 17:41.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:41.41 | wols_ | !tell debianasus about msgthebot |
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| 17:42.35 | debianasus | !msgthebot |
| 17:42.35 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
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| 17:49.33 | breivik | in /var/log/Xorg.0.log it says: PS/2 Logitech Mouse: Found 3 mouse buttons but i dont have a 3 button mouse but a two button mouse. how do i fix this ? |
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| 18:00.44 | fbs | mouse without scrollwheel? |
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| 18:02.13 | MrFrood | Bushmills: on my S/2 Logitech mouse the scroll wheel act as a third button (as fbs inddicated) |
| 18:02.35 | MrFrood | er that was for breivik |
| 18:02.50 | babilen | breivik is gone (and it is better that way) |
| 18:03.02 | MrFrood | s/S2/PS2 |
| 18:03.35 | MrFrood | goes back to sleep |
| 18:03.38 | fbs | hehe |
| 18:03.40 | wols_ | babilen: he will be back and he will find even more offensive nicks than in the past |
| 18:03.49 | babilen | indeed |
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| 18:07.56 | Sgt_Lemming | mmmm, that new install smell |
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| 18:21.02 | DummyMode | hi |
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| 18:22.12 | DummyMode | after making an - apt-get source packagename, before compiling, is there any option to configure the package? apt-cache configure package or something like that? |
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| 18:22.44 | uzlinz | hello everybody! i'm trying to set my EDITOR environment variable to Emacs so that programs like mutt or git will open a emacs (in -nw mode) instead of the default vi(m), but "export EDITOR=/usr/bin/emacs" just seems to set it only for the current shell - 'cause when i close ther terminal emulator and open up another one then "echo $EDITOR" doesn't return anything (neither emacs nor vim), but mutt still uses vim as default editor |
| 18:22.50 | uzlinz | what i |
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| 18:22.52 | uzlinz | sry |
| 18:22.54 | uzlinz | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 18:24.02 | babilen | !tell DummyMode about package recompile |
| 18:24.09 | babilen | !tell DummyMode about debian/rules |
| 18:24.35 | DummyMode | thanks :) |
| 18:24.37 | babilen | uzlinz: Which shell are you using? |
| 18:24.44 | uzlinz | "Environment variables are local to the process in which they were set." - really? exporting JAVA variable works well system-wide... |
| 18:24.46 | uzlinz | babilen: bash |
| 18:24.47 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: mutt probabaly uses the editor alternative when $EDITOR is not set |
| 18:24.51 | babilen | DummyMode: If you need further help let us know |
| 18:25.00 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: so you can use that, or set $EDITOR globally |
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| 18:25.18 | uzlinz | valdyn_: well, how do i SET $EDITOR system-wide so that it is persistent? |
| 18:25.28 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: exporting any variable never works systemwide |
| 18:25.42 | uzlinz | ok, alternative |
| 18:25.43 | uzlinz | ? |
| 18:25.52 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: man update-alternatives |
| 18:26.07 | babilen | uzlinz: In that case you want to set it in your ~/.bashrc |
| 18:26.10 | DummyMode | I'm just trying to change the way I install packages, I wanna to compile them instead of just downloading and installed pre-compiled stadd |
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| 18:26.23 | DummyMode | wanna optimize thing |
| 18:26.31 | uzlinz | babilen: well, can't i set it independent from the shell that i use? |
| 18:26.34 | babilen | uzlinz: You can also set it system-wide, but I wouldn't necessarily do that as it is a per-user setting |
| 18:26.40 | themill | DummyMode: don't waste your or electricity |
| 18:26.40 | DummyMode | as I do in freebsd for example, or gentoo |
| 18:26.45 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: you can achieve the equivalent to setting it systemwide via /etc/environment or /etc/profile or the user specific ~/.profile |
| 18:27.02 | themill | !gentoosmite DummyMode |
| 18:27.02 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling DummyMode, and when it's all done, DummyMode runs 4% slower than previously |
| 18:27.03 | uzlinz | babilen: better than shell-specific |
| 18:27.18 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: alternatives are the better way anyway |
| 18:27.19 | Sgt_Lemming | that is often the case |
| 18:27.24 | Sgt_Lemming | emerge -e universe |
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| 18:27.26 | babilen | DummyMode: Whatfor? You can get precompiled packages from Debian and compiling them yourself is just a waste of time and resources. |
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| 18:27.45 | uzlinz | diff between /etc/environment and /etc/profile ? |
| 18:28.08 | uzlinz | valdyn_: ^ ? |
| 18:29.28 | DummyMode | babilen, ok, if you think so, I'm just used to compile and optimize my staff, is that wrong? |
| 18:29.52 | DummyMode | what's wrong with downloading a source code and remove the support for thing you do not use? |
| 18:30.15 | DummyMode | do not wanna start a troll in here.. |
| 18:30.53 | themill | DummyMode: there's just very little point in doing so. It's just a waste of your time. |
| 18:31.02 | a111 | What reigon does iw reg set BO set wifi regulations to? |
| 18:31.07 | DummyMode | ok :) |
| 18:31.27 | DummyMode | maybe is time to change my mind :) |
| 18:32.07 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: /etc/profile is not used when you use gdm or similar to log in |
| 18:32.08 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: but im not sure if /etc/environment is used then, so duh, not sure about the difference |
| 18:32.08 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: anyway, dotfiles are complex, that is why i suggested alternatives |
| 18:32.08 | valdyn_ | !wikifaq uzlinz dotfiles |
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| 18:32.09 | dpkg | uzlinz: check out http://wiki.debian.org/dotfiles or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 18:34.04 | themill | !pal valdyn_ |
| 18:34.04 | dpkg | points at valdyn_ and laughs uproariously |
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| 18:35.26 | uzlinz | valdyn_: when i want to set $EDITOR to be "emacs -nw" do i have to put a script "foobar" in /usr/src which contains "emacs -nw" and then "export $EDITOR='/usr/src/foobar'" in /etc/profile or is there a more human solution? |
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| 18:36.30 | uzlinz | valdyn_: plus: how do i reload "/etc/profile" to be applied to the system? |
| 18:36.59 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: i would think that just setting $EDITOR to emacs -nw would work |
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| 18:37.49 | uzlinz | but how to realod /etc/profile? |
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| 18:38.29 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: "source /etc/profile" |
| 18:38.40 | uzlinz | ofc |
| 18:38.59 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: if youre using X then this isnt the right way. |
| 18:39.43 | uzlinz | why not? |
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| 18:39.51 | valdyn_ | hmm, or maybe i got confused and gdm / xdm actually inherit the profile but just do overwrite environment variables like PATH |
| 18:39.55 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: try it |
| 18:39.56 | JeanValjean | Hello, I want to help open source community. I dont want help. I want to help. I can translate documments to my language (pt-brazilian). I also can test app. So how can I procced? |
| 18:40.24 | uzlinz | because "emacs -nw" will not be "forwarded" to the terminal emulator? |
| 18:40.36 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: no, try it |
| 18:40.55 | uzlinz | still not working |
| 18:41.13 | uzlinz | "echo $EDITOR" in a new term emu returns nothig |
| 18:41.14 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: echo $EDITOR to see the variable |
| 18:41.17 | uzlinz | *nothing* |
| 18:41.26 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: thats expected |
| 18:41.30 | uzlinz | ? |
| 18:41.32 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: your profile is read on login |
| 18:42.05 | uzlinz | strang + stupid (in this context) |
| 18:42.07 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: all children inherit that profile, but you didnt login with that $EDITOR set, you only sourced it in one bash |
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| 18:42.26 | themill | JeanValjean: there's a #debian-l10n-br on irc.oftc.net; that would be a good place to start. |
| 18:42.28 | valdyn_ | uzlinz: so log out and back in and see |
| 18:42.39 | uzlinz | so i have to logout first and then login or source it in every new shell for the current session? |
| 18:42.46 | uzlinz | valdyn_: sry |
| 18:42.54 | Dev0n | hey I have identical systems that I want to push compied apps to instead of compiling each app on every debian system, is checkinstall method the best way to do this? |
| 18:43.03 | Sgt_Lemming | mmmm, I do love apt |
| 18:43.03 | Dev0n | compiled* |
| 18:43.06 | Sgt_Lemming | so awesome |
| 18:43.21 | Sgt_Lemming | shits all over every other package manager |
| 18:43.33 | valdyn_ | Dev0n: if it works for you its good enough |
| 18:43.36 | JeanValjean | themill, thank you. I would try |
| 18:43.47 | Dev0n | valdyn_, I want to know if it's reliable though |
| 18:43.54 | Dev0n | before I start using it |
| 18:43.59 | Dev0n | or if there is anything better? |
| 18:44.00 | themill | Dev0n: you can make a custom .deb without using checkinstall; /msg dpkg checkinstall; /msg dpkg nmg |
| 18:44.15 | Dev0n | thanks |
| 18:44.16 | valdyn_ | Dev0n: the only reliable thing is packages that are tested |
| 18:44.20 | uzlinz | uzlinz: works now! great! thanks a lot! |
| 18:44.24 | valdyn_ | Dev0n: doesnt matter how you create them |
| 18:44.27 | themill | Dev0n: what sorts of things are you wanting to package up? |
| 18:44.47 | valdyn_ | Dev0n: checkinstall cant get dependencies right, you just need to be aware of that |
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| 18:44.53 | Dev0n | ahh |
| 18:45.02 | Dev0n | themill, well anything that might not be in the repos |
| 18:45.07 | uzlinz | uzlinz: btw, never really was sure what the "source" command really does...especially if i do "source .bashrc" .... |
| 18:45.08 | Dev0n | I always compile from source |
| 18:45.13 | Dev0n | things like the latest curl or w/e |
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| 18:45.44 | themill | Dev0n: why would you bother? |
| 18:45.47 | valdyn_ | now why on earth would someone need the "latest" curl |
| 18:46.07 | Dev0n | was an example |
| 18:46.12 | Dev0n | and a bad one at that |
| 18:46.31 | Dev0n | first thing that came to my mind XD |
| 18:46.57 | themill | Dev0n: if these are things that are already in debian, then "/msg dpkg ssb". If these are things that are not yet in debian, consider taking up that maintenance task yourself (/msg dpkg nmg; /msg dpkg mentors) |
| 18:48.18 | Dev0n | thanks |
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| 18:50.00 | mark76 | Why can't I run the ./configure command? |
| 18:51.10 | whitesquall | mark76: check script configure in directory and +x mode on this file |
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| 18:52.30 | mark76 | What directory, whitesquall? |
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| 18:53.27 | whitesquall | ls -l configure |
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| 18:54.24 | mark76 | : cannot access configure: No such file or directory |
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| 18:55.14 | stillbourne | I've got an older version of debian (lenny) with xen installed I'm trying to get the alsa modules working and am trying to get the kernel so I can add modules I downloaded the [linux-2.6_2.6.26.orig.tar.gz] source package but I cannot seem to get it to build. Am I going about this the wrong way? |
| 18:56.02 | whitesquall | then you can't do ./configure, because you don't have this script |
| 18:57.52 | whitesquall | try find . -name configure , maybe script places in other directory |
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| 19:01.11 | newbie|3 | how do i install enlightenment while i got xfce runng? |
| 19:01.39 | ompaul | apt-get install packagenames then log out and back in |
| 19:02.06 | ompaul | obviously changing your window manager (typically in the system option on the login screen) |
| 19:02.34 | hrm | ok i try that :) |
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| 19:03.41 | hrm | you have to quite your wm to start e |
| 19:03.48 | hrm | ok i try again |
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| 19:09.20 | Sgt_Lemming | absinthe... in a syringe.... |
| 19:09.26 | Sgt_Lemming | that's pretty hardcore |
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| 19:10.05 | mark76 | Rightyo. That's DVD playback sorted :) |
| 19:12.38 | spal | vuze shows, "0 connected (4 in swarm)" - why no connection? |
| 19:13.02 | spal | In the seeds column it shows "0 (17)". Why all 17 are not in swarm? |
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| 19:31.12 | shad0VV | hello |
| 19:31.35 | shad0VV | i have a laptop with gentoo installed,and a server with debian |
| 19:31.43 | shad0VV | i want to use distcc |
| 19:31.55 | shad0VV | but there is a problem with CHOST |
| 19:32.12 | bzed | shad0VV: distcc works only if you have the very exact compiler verison on all machines. |
| 19:32.22 | shad0VV | bzed i know |
| 19:32.27 | shad0VV | they have the same |
| 19:32.28 | bzed | shad0VV: so reinstall one of them, or use a chroot. |
| 19:32.35 | bzed | shad0VV: no, they don't. |
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| 19:33.05 | bzed | shad0VV: it might be gcc 4.6 or whatever, but there are always differences in applied patches and so on. |
| 19:33.23 | shad0VV | bzed: both have 4.4.5 |
| 19:33.25 | bzed | shad0VV: so no, don't do it, even if you build would succeed, your binary will be a piece of crap |
| 19:33.31 | bzed | shad0VV: again. NO. |
| 19:34.00 | shad0VV | then when distcc is uses? |
| 19:34.02 | shad0VV | used? |
| 19:34.14 | bzed | shad0VV: when you have the same OS on several machines. |
| 19:34.37 | shad0VV | u mean exactly the same gcc |
| 19:35.07 | bzed | shad0VV: I mean exactly the same os, libraries, gcc. |
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| 19:35.23 | bzed | shad0VV: better use ccache |
| 19:35.35 | bzed | shad0VV: might help you in a similar way and it will just work |
| 19:35.59 | bzed | shad0VV: well, not similar way, but it will speed up the compilation of something that was compiled before |
| 19:36.25 | shad0VV | i have already ccache,but wanted to use distcc |
| 19:36.26 | valdyn_ | or even better, dont use gentoo, then you dont need to compile ;) |
| 19:36.30 | shad0VV | lol |
| 19:36.51 | valdyn_ | shad0VV: you can setup a chroot if you really want this |
| 19:36.52 | troutwine | I'm having trouble getting my Thinkpad T61 with a 3945 wireless card to get a DHCP lease, though I'm associating to my end-point just fine: https://gist.github.com/1129672 |
| 19:36.53 | shad0VV | i want to try everything in order to pick up the right for me |
| 19:36.56 | troutwine | Any thoughts? |
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| 19:37.10 | bzed | shad0VV: either use a chroot or replace that gentoo thing. |
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| 19:37.40 | troutwine | I know that the device gets a lease just fine when I'm running Arch Linux, and the router is fine as I've got another machine connected to it. |
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| 19:38.27 | shad0VV | and what is the benefit of chroot?: |
| 19:38.39 | cr3 | what's the proper way of referring to files installed under the data directory, typically /usr/share/[project name] in a debian/postinst script? |
| 19:38.43 | troutwine | The wiki Wifi HowToUse doesn't cover any such situtation and my googling has turned up issues with specific tools. |
| 19:38.46 | bzed | shad0VV: you have a debian installation running under your gentoo kernel |
| 19:39.07 | troutwine | Nothing with regard to only wireless-tools. |
| 19:39.12 | shad0VV | i know that bzed but i dont like this way |
| 19:39.22 | troutwine | I must have something Debian specific misconfigured, but I know not what. |
| 19:39.32 | bzed | shad0VV: then don't use distcc. |
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| 19:40.35 | bzed | troutwine: sounds like a firmware issue - but the same card and laptop just works fine here. |
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| 19:41.06 | troutwine | bzed: What firmware are you using? I've installed firmware-iwlwifi. |
| 19:41.25 | bzed | troutwine: that should be the right one. |
| 19:41.44 | bzed | troutwine: are you using network manager or something like that? |
| 19:42.05 | troutwine | bzed: Not while debugging; please see the above gist. |
| 19:42.06 | bzed | troutwine: is the rfkill button switched so that wlan is enabled? |
| 19:42.17 | troutwine | bzed: Yes. The device is active. |
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| 19:42.56 | bzed | I'm out of clues then unfortunately |
| 19:44.00 | troutwine | bzed: Bother; I've never had Debian not work out-of-the-box on this machine, either. Thanks. |
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| 19:45.22 | bzed | troutwine: thats weird, never had a thinkpad where it did not work |
| 19:45.33 | troutwine | bzed: Yeah, not for years, anyway. |
| 19:45.42 | bzed | troutwine: I'm using the t61 with exactly that chip right now |
| 19:45.59 | wols_ | troutwine: Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: Not-Associated <- this one |
| 19:46.10 | wols_ | troutwine: how do you connect and authenticate your WPA? |
| 19:46.50 | bzed | troutwine's config looks like WEP. |
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| 19:46.56 | troutwine | wols_: Curious, it was associated earlier. The router is WEP and wicd failed to obtain an IP address but did associate. You have everything I'm doing now in the gist. |
| 19:47.17 | MadRush | debian comes with UFW 'out of the box' right? |
| 19:47.27 | troutwine | wols_: Entirely possible that I'm using iwconfig incorrectly for WEP. |
| 19:47.28 | ompaul | wep not worth the letter e in the encryption in its name |
| 19:47.37 | wols_ | MadRush: no. there is no iptables set to anything by debian |
| 19:47.54 | troutwine | ompaul: Agreed. Not my router to modify, though. |
| 19:47.58 | wols_ | troutwine: if you use wep, you don't need encryption. just leave it off then |
| 19:48.06 | MadRush | ah ok then my question belongs elsewhere |
| 19:48.13 | wols_ | troutwine: try /etc/network/interfaces directly |
| 19:48.31 | troutwine | wols_: You mean, leave it off at the router? |
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| 19:48.51 | wols_ | troutwine: might as well. but as you suggest, it's not your router |
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| 19:49.25 | troutwine | wols_: What is the difference between using interfaces directly as opposed to the CLI tools? |
| 19:50.22 | wols_ | troutwine: nothing I guess, but the chances of misconfiguration are slightly lower imho |
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| 19:51.17 | troutwine | wols_: Problem is, I need to rove. It's likely not a Debian issue at all, so I'll try another access point to be sure. |
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| 19:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: Did you try Network Manager instead of wicd? |
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| 20:06.56 | hotwings | any systemd users here? if so, how is it on debian vs. sysv ? |
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| 20:07.22 | debianasus | Hello. Can someone please tell me why I get the "ignore" repository message during an apt-get update? It was not doing this before. Here's an example... Ign http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/contrib Translation-en_US |
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| 20:09.09 | babilen | !ign |
| 20:09.09 | dpkg | from memory, ign is when apt-get outputs lines starting with "Ign:" it means "Hrm, there's no such file but it's not a big deal anyway, i didn't need it", also "Hit:" means "i already had that file, no need to download" |
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| 20:10.40 | babilen | hotwings: There has been a *long* discussion about systemd on the debian-devel mailing list. You might want to read it to get a better idea. |
| 20:10.57 | debianasus | babilen: Good, thanks man. |
| 20:11.19 | daemonkeeper | met Lennart today |
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| 20:11.31 | babilen | Oh, nice :) |
| 20:11.59 | daemonkeeper | Maybe I will ask him about a kfreebsd systemd port tomorrow if I'm bored :p |
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| 20:12.56 | hotwings | babilen - ill try to dumpster dive the mailing list and see if i can find the exact thread youre talking about.. thanks |
| 20:12.59 | babilen | I wouldn't expect him to be particularly interested in investing the time, but it is worth a try. |
| 20:13.12 | babilen | hotwings: Give me a second, I'll have it in a second. |
| 20:13.20 | hotwings | ok |
| 20:13.36 | daemonkeeper | I already know the answer, no need to really ask him. He clearly stated what he thinks about !Linux |
| 20:14.19 | babilen | hotwings: http://lists.debian.org/<87mxgdcec9.fsf@trurl.pps.jussieu.fr> |
| 20:14.24 | daemonkeeper | He basically thinks/claims everything but Linux is old Linux cruft, no need to support it so he makes excessively use of Linux specific APIs (and gains benefit as well) |
| 20:14.43 | daemonkeeper | s/old Linux/old/ |
| 20:14.54 | hotwings | cool, will give that a read babilen, thanks again |
| 20:15.12 | daemonkeeper | hotwings: You will be busy for the next 4-5 hours then. |
| 20:15.12 | babilen | hotwings: It is a *huge* thread though, so consider yourself warned ;) |
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| 20:29.41 | cnz | dpkg -l |grep kernel-devel and dpkg -l |grep kernel-headers will tell me if I have both or either one of those installed correct? |
| 20:29.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep kernel-devel and dpkg -l |grep kernel-headers will tell me if I have both or either one of those installed correct |
| 20:30.24 | gnarface | *sigh* debian squeeze ignoring my limits.conf file? wtf am i doing wrong? |
| 20:30.28 | mjt | kernel headers are in linux-libc-dev |
| 20:30.48 | mjt | there's no "kernel-devel" package |
| 20:31.07 | cnz | oh ok |
| 20:31.24 | cnz | so kernel-headers and kernel-devel are in thet linux-libc-dev then? |
| 20:31.39 | mjt | i've no idea what is kernel-devel |
| 20:32.00 | mjt | source of kernel is in kernel-source package |
| 20:32.04 | mjt | er |
| 20:32.07 | mjt | linux-source |
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| 20:32.39 | cnz | well I asked in ati for help on installing fglxr and some of the advice was to make sure kernel-devel and kernel-headers are installed and only one copy |
| 20:33.03 | mjt | that's how it's packaged on redhat |
| 20:33.09 | mjt | !fgrlx |
| 20:33.17 | mjt | !fglrx |
| 20:33.17 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chips prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>; see <fglrx lenny> for oldstable. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:33.46 | spal | vuze shows, "0 connected (4 in swarm)" - why no connection? |
| 20:33.47 | mjt | ,versions fglrx |
| 20:33.48 | spal | In the seeds column it shows "0 (17)". Why all 17 are not in swarm? |
| 20:33.48 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'fglrx' was found in i386. |
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| 20:34.20 | mjt | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 20:34.22 | judd | Package fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:11-6-3; wheezy/non-free: 1:11-6-3 |
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| 20:35.43 | Gunther0 | What would the best GUI for debian/debian-based dists be, looking for some opinions, but I know the one I ended up using is glitchy as f***. |
| 20:36.07 | cnz | mjt: the issue I have when I install the driver from amd's site, is after install and reboot all window apps are really choppy and laggy when moved. |
| 20:36.19 | mjt | there's no such thing as "best GUI", everyone has their own preference |
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| 20:36.41 | Gunther0 | Well, how about, 1: I want a GUI that doesn't freeze my computer |
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| 20:36.59 | Gunther0 | Any suggestions? |
| 20:37.15 | mjt | neither of GUIs in debian freezes any of my computers |
| 20:37.25 | Gunther0 | I was using gnome 2, with compiz, and it glitched a LOT. |
| 20:37.36 | mjt | including gnome2 with compiz |
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| 20:38.44 | Iridos | the "best" as suggested by Debian is obviously the default... else it wouldn't be the default |
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| 20:39.15 | mjt | is there a default actually? I didn't install debian for some 10 years... |
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| 20:39.39 | cnz | mjt: yeah gnome is default |
| 20:39.40 | sec-info | I am root and I want to add another root. |
| 20:39.41 | Iridos | mjt, well... in the sense that you can just install the "desktop" task and get gnome |
| 20:39.51 | daemonkeeper | cnz: FSVO of "default" |
| 20:40.03 | cnz | daemonkeeper: huh? |
| 20:40.15 | Gunther0 | Well, I got mine from an upstream of debian, but it seems everyone there is totally incompetent. Could that make a difference, I wouldn't think so, but just making sure. |
| 20:40.17 | mjt | there are gnome-desktop-environment and kde-desktop-environment (or something like that) metapakages |
| 20:40.22 | daemonkeeper | There is also a KDE CD. Or a XFCE CD which installs that environment respectively. |
| 20:40.23 | Gunther0 | well |
| 20:40.28 | Gunther0 | not upstream |
| 20:40.34 | cnz | daemonkeeper: true |
| 20:40.47 | cnz | so I guess it would depend on the install disk you download and install then right? |
| 20:40.51 | sec-info | is that possible ? add another root. |
| 20:41.11 | Iridos | daemonkeeper, well, true... but there's the iso that's not prefixed with any DE and that installs gnome... so I think it's still fair to call it "default" |
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| 20:41.47 | daemonkeeper | It installes nothing unless you enable "Desktop" upon taskel selection. |
| 20:42.07 | mjt | you're nitpicking. |
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| 20:42.42 | daemonkeeper | I'm not, I'm just pointing out Debian has no clear preference, all desktops are equally supported, other distributions make such a preference. |
| 20:43.15 | mjt | sec-info: username is unique, so you can't have another user named root. You can have as many users with the same UID as you want. But this will be confusing, and it's unncessary. |
| 20:43.17 | Iridos | I'd also say you're nitpicking :) |
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| 20:43.38 | mjt | yes all desktops are supported |
| 20:43.46 | mjt | all packaged desktops anyway |
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| 20:44.28 | daemonkeeper | But that's not equally true for Suse or Ubuntu for example. Debian has no such preference, except that Gnome is chosen over others because of size limitations |
| 20:45.31 | Iridos | there is a preference... and IIRC, it was discussed a lot when it changed from kde to gnome... but don't remember exactly... might be wrong |
| 20:45.53 | mjt | i don't think it was kde before |
| 20:45.59 | daemonkeeper | KDE was never a default for Debian. |
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| 20:46.31 | nsadmin | daemonkeeper, even that preference is lacking: if you install debian from a netinst cd, it's possible to install the minimal which doesn't include gnome, kde, xfce, fvwm, twm or even an x server and client libs |
| 20:46.47 | daemonkeeper | nsadmin: Exactly what I said. |
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| 20:47.24 | mjt | anyway. whatever the default is, it's not default because it's "best" or "better supported" |
| 20:47.27 | nsadmin | so, there's not even the preference to go beyond plain text |
| 20:47.38 | Iridos | oh come on... you get the netinstall, you select the desktop task, you get gnome. That's a preference, however easy it is to get something else |
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| 20:48.20 | nsadmin | but otherwise you don't even get X |
| 20:48.33 | Iridos | also, it's exactly 42 angles that can dance on the tip of a pin |
| 20:49.00 | mjt | goes away from this pointless "discussion" |
| 20:49.25 | cnz | mjt: that's why I stopped talking :) |
| 20:49.46 | nsadmin | unless you install something that depends on some client lib (which I think is a mistake as it assumes all boxes with x clients will also have an x server) |
| 20:49.50 | Iridos | mjt, hehe... whatever you say about a discussion on angles on top of a pin... you can't call it "pointless" :-P |
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| 20:52.15 | nsadmin | pin tip angle discussion can also go on in #debian-offtopic :) |
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| 20:53.14 | Iridos | I was going to suggest the same for what-is-the-default-DE discussions |
| 20:53.34 | nsadmin | oh, ok ;0 |
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| 20:54.17 | MadRush | I need a NFS walkthrough, anybody got a link they reccomend? |
| 20:54.34 | nsadmin | well |
| 20:54.47 | daemonkeeper | http://faqs.ign.com/articles/668/668369p1.html |
| 20:54.48 | nsadmin | you need a server, you need portmapper running |
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| 20:55.09 | mjt | why portmapper? |
| 20:55.13 | nsadmin | you put stuff in /etc/exports and restart the server daemons and try to mount it |
| 20:55.17 | MadRush | daemonkeeper: nice |
| 20:55.20 | daemonkeeper | Because that is how NFS works, MadRush |
| 20:55.21 | nsadmin | because nfs requires it |
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| 20:55.24 | daemonkeeper | ehm mjt |
| 20:55.31 | mjt | nfs does not require portmapper |
| 20:55.45 | mjt | but it's easier with portmapper |
| 20:55.50 | mjt | ;) |
| 20:55.59 | mjt | well, _that_ is nitpicking |
| 20:56.17 | nsadmin | that would be a new wrinkle for me... I never did get nfs going without it |
| 20:56.21 | MadRush | im looking for a detailed walkthrough with examples. I keep finding stuff from like 2004 |
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| 20:56.37 | cnz | what package is ibb |
| 20:56.44 | debian | Hello everybody ;) |
| 20:56.49 | nsadmin | MadRush, why not create an example |
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| 20:57.12 | mjt | running several nfs servers here without portmapper for more than a decade. The trick is to set fixed ports for mountd and nfsd, and use mountport=nn and port=nnn in mount options. |
| 20:57.14 | nsadmin | I outlined the basic setup |
| 20:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | MadRush: It's quite likely that nothing about nfs has changed since 2004. |
| 20:57.19 | MadRush | if i could get it to work I just might, problem is, untill I get it to work I can't do that ;) |
| 20:57.21 | daemonkeeper | MadRush: NFS did not essentially since 20 years. 2004 is cutting edge stuff compared to that. |
| 20:57.28 | daemonkeeper | +change |
| 20:57.32 | MadRush | gotcha |
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| 20:57.51 | Llywelyn | Is there a business card install iso of debian 7.0 ? |
| 20:58.06 | mjt | is there debian 7.0? |
| 20:58.07 | nsadmin | is there debian 7.0? |
| 20:58.15 | Llywelyn | i mean, unstable debian ;) |
| 20:58.15 | nsadmin | wow L) |
| 20:58.22 | daemonkeeper | There is no Debian 7.0 and hence only weekly/daily builds exist which are either full CD sets or netinst |
| 20:58.33 | daemonkeeper | and no, 7.0 is not Unstable. |
| 20:58.40 | Llywelyn | it's testing ? |
| 20:58.43 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 20:58.59 | nsadmin | is wheezy have a number yet? |
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| 20:59.06 | daemonkeeper | It will be 7.0 |
| 20:59.06 | Llywelyn | My mistake ;) So are there any testing businesscard iso's ? |
| 20:59.13 | yoyoyo | hi |
| 20:59.15 | daemonkeeper | As said, no. Only netinst. |
| 20:59.32 | nsadmin | get a stable business card and upgrade |
| 20:59.34 | wols_ | Llywelyn: install stable instead |
| 20:59.36 | MadRush | anybody have some suggested reading? I've been at this for two hours still unsuccessful. I can't glean anything that makes sense from /var/log/messages |
| 20:59.40 | daemonkeeper | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/ - But note, those are /not/ intended to install Testing. |
| 20:59.50 | daemonkeeper | Do what nsadmin said. |
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| 21:00.03 | nsadmin | or better, a stable netinst, install the base (only) and upgrade that |
| 21:00.13 | daemonkeeper | Do what nsadmin said¹ |
| 21:00.16 | daemonkeeper | ² |
| 21:00.19 | nsadmin | to testing... then install stuff |
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| 21:00.26 | Llywelyn | wols: I might install stable on my P2 computer but on my Celeron 2.4ghz PC i'd rather like a more up-to-date os |
| 21:00.38 | Llywelyn | in order to update i need to add the testing repos ? |
| 21:00.40 | mjt | grumbles about "selecting idle I/O scheduling class for resync of mdNNN" messages... |
| 21:00.42 | nsadmin | so install stable and upgrade :) |
| 21:00.55 | wols_ | Llywelyn: you still don't want to use a testing installer |
| 21:00.59 | wols_ | Llywelyn: install stable |
| 21:01.14 | nsadmin | Llywelyn, you;ll end up with the SAME thing either way |
| 21:01.35 | Llywelyn | wols_: got it, but how do I update to testing ? |
| 21:01.51 | daemonkeeper | dobalina: squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:01.55 | Llywelyn | nsadmin: i believe packages are more up-to-date in testing repos, right ? |
| 21:01.56 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:01.56 | dpkg | Following a release, testing tends to be more of a developer's playground and a <moving target>. If you have to ask how to do this, ask yourself if you know enough about Debian packaging to run a non-stable release yet. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>. |
| 21:02.11 | cnz | mjt: debian wheezy is in test stage now |
| 21:02.13 | daemonkeeper | Llywelyn: That's what Testing is for. |
| 21:02.14 | cnz | and I really enjoy it |
| 21:02.25 | cnz | release date for it is 2013 though :( |
| 21:02.42 | daemonkeeper | How do you know? |
| 21:02.55 | yoyoyo | Hi, I need to download debian from a trusted site but I think Im behind some kind of proxy, how can I validate sources? |
| 21:03.01 | cnz | daemonkeeper: it's called reading |
| 21:03.02 | nsadmin | probably you should upgrade the kernel, dpkg, aptitude, apt-get first, then do the full upgrade after rebooting |
| 21:03.04 | Bushmills | Llywelyn: security updates may be available for stable before they make it from unstable to testing |
| 21:03.05 | daemonkeeper | cnz: Debian has no (planned) release dates. Debian releases when its done. |
| 21:03.13 | cnz | it says on their site |
| 21:03.20 | cnz | it's planned release is in 2013 |
| 21:03.28 | Llywelyn | dpkg: i thank you for your message ;) well I guess i'll stay at least some months on stable before considering an update |
| 21:03.28 | dpkg | Llywelyn: You are person #4 to send an unparseable request |
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| 21:03.44 | daemonkeeper | cnz: Show me. The only date which is known, is that Testing is supposed to be frozen in June 2012 |
| 21:03.58 | nsadmin | cnz, but,, but,,, it would require effort ^W reading to find that outP |
| 21:04.13 | Llywelyn | Bushmills: well I'm not so worried about security... I only do "safe" things on my computer |
| 21:04.32 | cnz | nsadmin: true |
| 21:04.52 | Llywelyn | dpkg: what do you actually mean by unparseable ? they are nonsense ? |
| 21:04.53 | Bushmills | installing testing isn't necessarily "safe" |
| 21:04.53 | dpkg | Llywelyn: what are you talking about? |
| 21:04.59 | nsadmin | Llywelyn, testing is not one of those safe things |
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| 21:05.14 | daemonkeeper | Llywelyn: You realize, dpkg is a bot? |
| 21:05.21 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 21:05.21 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:05.27 | Llywelyn | daemonkeeper: i didn't... shame on me :D |
| 21:06.21 | Llywelyn | nsadmin: i will stick to the guru's advice then :) |
| 21:06.57 | nsadmin | well actually, you just need to listen to the advice, think, and choose. |
| 21:07.07 | nsadmin | it's your computer |
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| 21:07.24 | Llywelyn | nsadmin: i'm wise enough to trust people with more experience than I have :) |
| 21:07.46 | nsadmin | why did you want testing? |
| 21:08.30 | Llywelyn | nsadmin: I figured i would have increased performance |
| 21:08.42 | cnz | daemonkeeper: for you that can't research |
| 21:08.45 | cnz | During this year's annual Debian Conference DebConf11 made the introduction of multiarch support a release goal for the coming Debian release 7 Wheezy to be released in 2013. Multiarch is a radical rethinking of the filesystem hierarchy with respect to library and header paths, to make programs and libraries of different hardware architectures easily installable in parallel on the very same system. |
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| 21:09.10 | nsadmin | I guess that's a possibility, but definitely not a certainty |
| 21:09.25 | daemonkeeper | cnz: FTR http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/06/msg00003.html. Everything else is not known. |
| 21:09.29 | cnz | nsadmin: that's why I said they plan is to release it in 2013 |
| 21:10.05 | nsadmin | performance increases mostly result from faster machines and more ram... and maybe different kernels that do certain core things more efficiently |
| 21:10.50 | daemonkeeper | cnz: the estimation you are citing comes from the fact, that the freeze is /usually/ around 6 months. However Debian has no fixed release plan and releases when things are done, not before. |
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| 21:11.23 | cnz | daemonkeeper: you just like to argue to always try to be right don't ya. |
| 21:11.40 | daemonkeeper | cnz: Only if I am. |
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| 21:11.56 | cnz | ok you're right :) |
| 21:11.58 | Llywelyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.06 | cnz | givesi Llywelyn some popcorn |
| 21:12.11 | cnz | would you like some butter with that? |
| 21:12.23 | Llywelyn | why not |
| 21:13.09 | MadRush | im baffled at being offered the solution of 'great your own guide' to a problem I can't solve. thanks a lot guys |
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| 21:14.01 | nsadmin | and especially if they are going about introducing new core stuff, like kernels that have new features, shells replacing functionality of /bin/sh, perl, certain c compiler upgrades. a lot of these at once can drag things down |
| 21:14.10 | astorish | not directly debian related, but are there mutt users in here? can't connect to hotmail for retreivin/sending (is that possible at all?) using mutt and pop/imap... |
| 21:15.03 | nsadmin | and as many maints as debian has, trying to get them to agree on something... ever try to herd cats? like tigers and cheetas? |
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| 21:17.03 | daemonkeeper | nsadmin: That's true, but not really a problem for post-freeze. These delays come from bug hunting. |
| 21:17.26 | astorish | no mutt users? |
| 21:17.28 | nsadmin | and from deciding how to go about things |
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| 21:18.26 | StuckMojo | hi. aptitude maintains a log of what's been installed and when, yes? i've been working on a django site for a couple days and had to install a number of packages |
| 21:18.32 | StuckMojo | but i forgot to write down what they were |
| 21:18.38 | StuckMojo | :/ |
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| 21:19.05 | StuckMojo | so i'd like to just check the log or something to see everything i've installed in the last two days |
| 21:19.23 | daemonkeeper | history? |
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| 21:20.14 | nsadmin | depends on if he's run more than 50 commands, and on if he's been using only one termimal and shell |
| 21:20.34 | StuckMojo | yeah, it's been in different teminals |
| 21:20.34 | nsadmin | if (no, yes), history would be useful |
| 21:20.50 | daemonkeeper | Ah, the usual bash problem :) |
| 21:20.51 | StuckMojo | i could just: history | grep aptitude in all of them |
| 21:20.59 | StuckMojo | but i thought it kept a log or something somewhere |
| 21:21.10 | StuckMojo | figured i'd ask |
| 21:21.16 | StuckMojo | since i was 80% sure it did |
| 21:21.23 | nsadmin | daemonkeeper, nice, overgeneric, troll :) |
| 21:21.55 | daemonkeeper | nsadmin: zfs does not suffer from the multiple-terminals problem :) |
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| 21:22.03 | StuckMojo | ah crap. it just ocurred to me it was on a remote server...so i might not have all my history |
| 21:22.35 | StuckMojo | aha, /var/log/aptitude |
| 21:22.39 | daemonkeeper | ehr |
| 21:22.41 | daemonkeeper | zsh! |
| 21:22.46 | nsadmin | StuckMojo, that's what we're thinking too, so you're still looking for a log |
| 21:22.47 | babilen | daemonkeeper: s/zfs/zsh ;) |
| 21:22.59 | daemonkeeper | Yeah, too much fiddling around with ZFS recently. |
| 21:23.00 | babilen | daemonkeeper: ah, you spoiled it :'-( |
| 21:23.29 | nsadmin | Z, the last bastion of the end of the alphabet... |
| 21:23.43 | ompaul | at least it was not reiser - he'd have never found the files where he left^W buried them |
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| 21:24.01 | StuckMojo | aha, there's also /var/log/apt/history |
| 21:24.19 | nsadmin | another deadly reiser reference... |
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| 21:24.29 | StuckMojo | heh, meanwhile it was only 5 packages anyway |
| 21:24.51 | StuckMojo | i wonder if he's gotten shanked yet |
| 21:25.00 | nsadmin | StuckMojo, so, not too bad... |
| 21:25.05 | StuckMojo | i can't imagine he gets along with the gang bangers too well |
| 21:25.07 | daemonkeeper | Imagine what happened if books were as reliable as Reiser4. No evidence would have ever been found! |
| 21:25.12 | ompaul | MAYBE just MAYBE this is what you want /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 21:25.22 | ompaul | and it's friends |
| 21:25.46 | StuckMojo | ompaul: yeah actually any of the three will tell me what i needed |
| 21:25.52 | StuckMojo | aptitude being the least verbose |
| 21:26.01 | StuckMojo | thanks folks |
| 21:26.07 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: it was all down to the crime being committed in the library with a C pipe |
| 21:26.10 | StuckMojo | i guess i should have looked there first |
| 21:26.18 | StuckMojo | but for some reason i was expecting a queryable db or something |
| 21:26.27 | StuckMojo | ala apt-cache |
| 21:26.29 | ompaul | log files trump irc again |
| 21:26.32 | ompaul | whoots |
| 21:26.44 | StuckMojo | *chuckle* |
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| 21:27.12 | nsadmin | well that -is- what he was asking for... |
| 21:27.34 | nsadmin | he ended up finding what he needed himself, using here as a sounding board |
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| 21:28.55 | ompaul | nsadmin: if the questions got any harder then waterboarding would have to be employed .... |
| 21:29.14 | ompaul | strays into the land of shutup paul your offtopic |
| 21:29.40 | ompaul | s/your/you're/ (the more haste the less speed) |
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| 21:34.21 | StuckMojo | well thanks much folks |
| 21:34.27 | StuckMojo | goes back to django hacking... |
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| 21:42.11 | omido | hi. newbie here .why dont debian include a network manager? |
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| 21:43.54 | peterray | It does, omido. |
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| 21:46.01 | omido | peterray i installed debian(now have removed it) but it didnt detect and install my intel wifi card like ubuntu ,suse etc did.people told me that intel cards have free drivers so all distros could detect them and install them automatically but i faild to do so. i now want to give debian another try(cause i somehow liked it and the only problem was wifi) and i want to learn how to install its wireless before the actual installition. sorry for my weak english. |
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| 21:47.23 | peterray | You're english is fine. |
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| 21:47.41 | peterray | You should probably do an offline install, then. |
| 21:48.24 | omido | peterray i installed using the LiveCD and i tought it was an offline install since i wasnt connected to the network at the time of install. |
| 21:49.13 | peterray | What wireless card is it? |
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| 21:49.55 | valdyn_ | omido: intel wifi cards need non-free firmware, which is not installed by default in debian |
| 21:51.02 | omido | peterray Intel(R) WiFi Link 1000 BGN |
| 21:51.43 | omido | valdyn_how could someone install them? (someone with very small linux knowledge) |
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| 21:52.42 | bluesceada | hey anyone knows why my kernel package names always have a "+" at the end? this happens to me since 3.0.0 .. |
| 21:52.51 | bluesceada | i am just using make-kpkg |
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| 21:54.08 | valdyn_ | omido: i dont know your chip, but its probably the package "firmware-iwlwifi", that you can get from non-free repository or from http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 21:54.45 | adrian15 | bluesceada: As long as you use make-kpkg you are building a custom kernel package. I think the + is added so that the custom package gets more priority than the default one. |
| 21:55.01 | bluesceada | yeah but this just happens since 3.0 ... |
| 21:55.07 | bluesceada | didnt happen with 2.6.39.2 |
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| 21:55.16 | bluesceada | i am always using the kernel.org sources + patches etc. |
| 21:55.34 | omido | valdyn_ i can connect via a wired connection for an hour or so. can i get it then? does installing that package require command line experience? |
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| 21:55.55 | bluesceada | then in the source dir i use make-kpkg after i set up everything... more exactly |
| 21:56.00 | bluesceada | make-kpkg -j 5 --initrd --append_to_version -blue --revision 1 kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 21:56.16 | valdyn_ | omido: add non-free and "apt-get update; apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 21:56.21 | valdyn_ | !tell omido -about non-free |
| 21:56.24 | bluesceada | which then resulted in 2.6.39.2-blue |
| 21:56.26 | Llywelyn | wondering: is it possible to install debian on a PS2 ? i know there are some distros like blackrhino... |
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| 21:56.33 | bluesceada | but for 3.0 it was ... 3.0.0-blue+ |
| 21:56.46 | bluesceada | why that "+" :S |
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| 21:57.26 | adrian15 | bluesceada: I do not know then. It might be that you added new options thanks to make menuconfig or make oldconfig. As I say I actually do not know. I think I missed that the + sign was at the end. |
| 21:57.56 | omido | thankyou . btw do you think debian is suitable for newbies like me? |
| 21:57.58 | bluesceada | Llywelyn: http://www.debian.org/ports/ if it is any of those architectures there .. and still then it might still need some effort |
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| 21:58.29 | Digdilem | i'm setting up a multi user machine. I want to be able to add users easily and preconfigure things like desktop shortcuts (to samba), firefox homepage, thunderbird single mail accounts - is there any simple way to script this? |
| 21:58.30 | Llywelyn | bluesceada: well, if there is no official port, i'll stick to the PS2-designed distros |
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| 21:58.49 | valdyn_ | omido: if you dont suffer from the shiny new softare syndrome, yes |
| 21:59.08 | bluesceada | adrian15: would be really strange as append_to_version already appends at the end .. in menuconfig is no extra thing appended |
| 21:59.14 | adrian15 | Digdilem: Well, there is /etc/skel for doing that or you can use an useradd option for specifying skel directories per user |
| 21:59.23 | bluesceada | but ok i will see... |
| 21:59.27 | omido | valdyn_ thankyou i really appreciate. |
| 21:59.29 | Digdilem | adrian15, thanks - i'll research that |
| 21:59.34 | omido | i'm going to install . will be back |
| 21:59.36 | Lenin_Cat | is there a package that will download all of the font packages in the respatorys? |
| 21:59.51 | adrian15 | bluesceada: Did you upgrade the make_kpkg package before trying to compile 3.0? |
| 22:00.06 | valdyn_ | Lenin_Cat: no |
| 22:00.08 | bluesceada | yeh it is kbuild 3.0 something |
| 22:00.21 | bluesceada | or wait.. |
| 22:00.40 | Lenin_Cat | valdyn_, well is there a way to download them all without typing out the name of each one? :P |
| 22:01.27 | bluesceada | or what would i need to update? kernel-package and kbuild are both the same version for all wheezy/sid/squeeze |
| 22:01.34 | adrian15 | bluesceada: What I mean is that the upgrade of make_kpkg package might add this new feature :). |
| 22:01.49 | bluesceada | kernel-package contains make_kpkg |
| 22:01.57 | bluesceada | no update there |
| 22:02.11 | adrian15 | bluesceada: I ran out of ideas. |
| 22:02.14 | bluesceada | ah wait .. linux-kbuild-3.0.0 |
| 22:02.40 | bluesceada | which contains some scripts that are maybe called by make_kpkg then.. |
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| 22:03.27 | valdyn_ | Lenin_Cat: not really as some conflict with each other, but you can try " apt-cache search ttf- | awk '{print $1}' | xargs aptitude -y install" |
| 22:04.07 | bluesceada | ok i got it |
| 22:04.11 | bluesceada | adrian15: thanks.. |
| 22:04.16 | bluesceada | /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.0.0/scripts/setlocalversion:167: # append a plus sign if the repository is not in a clean |
| 22:04.48 | bluesceada | ... annotated or signed tagged state (as git describe only looks at signed or annotated tags - git tag -a/-s) and LOCALVERSION= is not specified |
| 22:04.57 | Lenin_Cat | heh |
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| 22:05.04 | Lenin_Cat | something has apt-get in use |
| 22:05.07 | Lenin_Cat | but I dont know what it is |
| 22:05.20 | bluesceada | kde check for updates daemon? :> |
| 22:05.31 | bluesceada | (i also had that at some point and it was that..) |
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| 22:06.02 | Antone` | hi guys, running apt-get update I get this error E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/http could not be found. going in that dir I can see that http is really there: how to solve this problem? |
| 22:06.16 | adrian15 | Lenin_Cat: Have you checked synaptic ? |
| 22:06.39 | Lenin_Cat | adrian15, No |
| 22:07.53 | adrian15 | Lenin_Cat: If you do not find synaptic on ps aux you might try lsof command and grep for that file that they say it is locked. |
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| 22:10.15 | Lenin_Cat | lsof grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 22:10.16 | Lenin_Cat | lsof: status error on grep: No such file or directory |
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| 22:12.06 | Antone` | nobody can help me? |
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| 22:12.07 | adrian15 | Lenin_Cat: You are missing the pipe sign between lsof and grep (|) |
| 22:12.37 | adrian15 | Antone`: Why don't you rename your http entries with ftp entries? It might work. |
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| 22:16.06 | Antone` | mhm can you explain it better adrian15 ? |
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| 22:16.35 | adrian15 | Antone`: Have you added any new source recently? Have you tried disabling it? |
| 22:16.53 | Antone` | no I didn't nothing of this |
| 22:17.16 | adrian15 | Antone`: Whatever, it seems that if /usr/lib/apt/methods/http gets copied as: Http and HTTP the problem disappears |
| 22:17.42 | Antone` | adrian15 I tried it but I get |
| 22:17.47 | Antone` | cp: cannot stat `http': No such file or directory |
| 22:17.57 | Antone` | but if I do ls I obtain |
| 22:18.04 | Antone` | bzip2 cdrom copy file ftp gpgv gzip http lzma rred rsh ssh |
| 22:19.16 | adrian15 | Antone`: Are you running the command as root user ? |
| 22:19.21 | Antone` | y |
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| 22:19.54 | nsadmin | Antone`: perhaps man pages/docs/google could "explain it better" |
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| 22:20.24 | Antone` | nsadmin I didn't find anything... this is why I'm here |
| 22:20.26 | adrian15 | Antone`: Pastebin the terminal output. I think you are not in the right path. |
| 22:20.44 | Antone` | adrian15 I'm in: /usr/lib/apt/methods |
| 22:21.11 | Antone` | :/usr/lib/apt/methods# ls |
| 22:21.11 | Antone` | bzip2 cdrom copy file ftp gpgv gzip http lzma rred rsh ssh |
| 22:21.16 | nsadmin | sounds like something is not properly installed, or something is misspelled somewhere |
| 22:21.27 | adrian15 | Antone`: What does it say ls -l http ? It might be a broken link. |
| 22:21.42 | Antone` | ls: cannot access http: No such file or directory |
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| 22:23.02 | adrian15 | Antone`: And what does it say ls -l ? Use pastebin please. |
| 22:23.13 | nsadmin | so the results you're getting say: http is there, and http is not there |
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| 22:23.48 | Antone` | http is there but he has "?" where the other has permissions |
| 22:24.01 | hahnpa | how can i change the default language on my system... its weird, in gnome the language is right. but in the terminals f1/f2.. and at startup its wrong |
| 22:24.19 | Bushmills | fsck your partition |
| 22:24.38 | Bushmills | Antone`: ^^^ |
| 22:25.06 | peterray | I saw that 'ls' problem sometime ago. Had to do with the binary having been tampered with. |
| 22:25.23 | peterray | The 'ls' binary, that is. |
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| 22:25.55 | hahnpa | i mean the keyboard layout... |
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| 22:26.07 | Antone` | what if I create another http file from another debian lenny? (the same vers) |
| 22:26.36 | peterray | Try opening the directory with vim. |
| 22:26.37 | nsadmin | what if you replace your drive |
| 22:27.07 | nsadmin | what if you try to find out why the filesystem on the drive isn't working properly |
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| 22:40.02 | Amarande | hm. does 6.0 support 3D acceleration on a GTS 250 card without needing extensive use of sid? |
| 22:41.16 | Lenin_Cat | Whats a good small video editing program for linux |
| 22:42.03 | daemonkeeper | Amarande: Probably yes, if you use the nvidia driver |
| 22:43.02 | bluesceada | Lenin_Cat: avidemux? kino? |
| 22:43.22 | Amarande | daemonkeeper: is there a packaged nvidia driver this time that's new enough to use? last time I tried Debian with this card, even the version in sid was apparently a whisker too old to support the GTS 250, and attempting to follow nVidia's instructions to build a debian package from the then current driver was going to make me go bald |
| 22:43.26 | bluesceada | i kind of liked avidemux |
| 22:43.29 | Lenin_Cat | I shall try those out |
| 22:43.31 | Lenin_Cat | thanks |
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| 22:43.52 | bluesceada | for full featured: i dont know |
| 22:44.06 | bluesceada | but avidemux can already do quite much |
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| 22:44.50 | daemonkeeper | Amarande: Check the version number of the nvidia-glx package. Out of that you should be able to tell whether your card is supported. |
| 22:45.02 | iluminator101 | how do i scan documents in which individual characters can be recognized? |
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| 22:45.44 | bluesceada | Amarande: usually it is quite easy to build the newest with the nvidia-kernel-dkms package that will build it quite automatically, you might have to use -t sid then .. http://packages.debian.org/de/sid/nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 22:45.52 | bluesceada | you can check if that version is recen enough |
| 22:46.25 | bluesceada | iluminator101: i was also searching for something like that a while ago .. but there seems to be not much free software for OCR (optical character recognition) |
| 22:47.12 | bluesceada | iluminator101: maybe this gives an overview abut the curren state http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Texterkennung_%28OCR%29 |
| 22:47.14 | Amarande | oh squee, it goes up as far as the GTX 480. yay Linux will be win again. :) |
| 22:47.20 | bluesceada | (yeh it is ubuntu i know..) |
| 22:47.37 | bluesceada | Amarande: yeah just look if you can build the sid package for your kernel |
| 22:48.10 | bluesceada | maybe look if wheezy is new enough |
| 22:48.23 | bluesceada | http://packages.debian.org/de/wheezy/nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 22:48.30 | bluesceada | ....275.21-1 |
| 22:49.29 | iluminator101 | permission to pm bluesceada |
| 22:49.42 | bluesceada | mmh? |
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| 22:56.29 | roksy | trying to setup lvm + encryption manually in the setup, is it lvm first and encryption second or the other way around? |
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| 23:11.39 | Tramp | roksy: you can do both |
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| 23:13.58 | roksy | i did lvm first, now when I try to install grub it fails with Unable to identify filesystem |
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| 23:20.59 | roksy | installing lvm with encrypted root on a mac, perhaps that was asking for trouble |
| 23:22.13 | babilen | roksy: I typically create lvm within a single encrypted partition + /boot |
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| 23:28.02 | roksy | I'll try that as well to see if grub will be more happy |
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| 23:33.18 | babilen | roksy: unencrypted /boot outside of the lvm that is |
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| 23:34.04 | halley | In vlc, mixxx and usch I can select USB Audio DAC instead of Default |
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| 23:34.40 | justlike | in iceweasel, i want audio output from usb DAC |
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| 23:34.54 | justlike | I want me some bass, you understyand jb? |
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| 23:35.16 | justlike | my english not the best, sorry. |
| 23:35.24 | omido | valdyn_ thank you so much it worked. |
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| 23:37.53 | justlike | hello? |
| 23:38.13 | justlike | So again, firefox outputd audio with (ALSA: default) |
| 23:38.32 | justlike | I changed vlc settings to output to usb DAC and need to do the same thing to firefox |
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| 23:47.52 | roksy | babilen: that made it happy, thanks |
| 23:48.50 | babilen | roksy: marvellous ... enjoy! |
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| 23:49.55 | roksy | well, grub installed but now it says no bootable device. oh well |
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| 23:51.14 | babilen | did you mark /boot bootable and installed grub to the mbr? |
| 23:51.40 | daemonkeeper | (Linux does not care about the bootable flag) |
| 23:52.01 | roksy | no since I use refit on mac I installed to the boot partition only |
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| 23:52.29 | roksy | but that didnt do it aparently |
| 23:52.52 | Amarande | heh daemonkeeper, that's resulted in fun times with dual boots and switching a machine back from Linux to Windows. I'll every now and then forget that Windows *does* still need the bootable flag and then wonder why it's claiming it can't boot ... |
| 23:52.55 | babilen | wears the cone of shame |
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| 23:53.12 | hideo | pets babilen |
| 23:53.20 | Amarande | babilen: don't feel so bad, you can always enchant your dunce cap to +5 |
| 23:53.22 | babilen | pets back |
| 23:53.54 | Amarande | although, mistakes of this sort will probably result in YASD fairly rapidly |
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| 23:58.35 | omido | during the installition of debian when it asked me for network devices i selected a wired lan connection.now i'm not connected to that and using a wireless connection but each time i want to reboot or boot the system during the text it shows before shutdown i noticed that it searches for Wired networks "DHCPDISCOVER on etch0 etc" . what should i do to remove this thing? |
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