| 00:00.06 | abrotman | one down ... |
| 00:00.29 | babilen | \o/ |
| 00:01.17 | LostyJai | ok |
| 00:01.31 | LostyJai | how do you increase the size of a partition? via fdisk? |
| 00:01.34 | babilen | mwarning: did you install from the kmuto iso? which one? |
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| 00:02.06 | DasEi | LostyJai: in general by gparted and such, but a disk of vm differs |
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| 00:02.16 | LostyJai | differs how? |
| 00:02.31 | LostyJai | debian should still see it as a vdisk no? |
| 00:02.36 | LostyJai | disk |
| 00:02.51 | mwarning | babilen, yes, from kmuto, the first one from the site (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/squeeze-custom-amd64-0710.iso) |
| 00:02.52 | DasEi | LostyJai: you need vm-specific tools, look at vmware's faq for it |
| 00:02.57 | LostyJai | kk |
| 00:03.38 | orioni | which crosscompiler to use for compiling progs for ARMv5ej ? |
| 00:03.45 | abrotman | gained one :( |
| 00:03.50 | mwarning | babilen, here is the output for uk: http://paste.debian.net/125431/ |
| 00:04.02 | DasEi | in #vmware there are ~300 ppl, LostyJai |
| 00:04.02 | abrotman | you do? |
| 00:04.10 | babilen | mwarning: I've used exactly that iso some days ago |
| 00:04.27 | LostyJai | DasEi: yep I'm in there asking |
| 00:04.34 | mwarning | babilen, looks like I got a fishy one :p |
| 00:05.40 | abrotman | mwarning: where are you geographicaly? |
| 00:05.48 | babilen | mwarning: Hmm, I doubt that. Could you remove non-free everywhere and switch back to ftp.de again ... Are you in Germany? |
| 00:06.02 | abrotman | mwarning: tried a 3rd tier mirror in .de ? |
| 00:06.06 | mwarning | babilen, sec and yes |
| 00:06.31 | mwarning | abrotman, nope |
| 00:06.47 | babilen | abrotman: we tried ftp.de ftp2.de and ftp.uk (last one is working for me) -- is there something fishy with non-free? |
| 00:07.37 | babilen | lets try that here ... |
| 00:07.54 | babilen | works fine (ftp.uk) |
| 00:08.13 | DasEi | just tried removing ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages from the lists-dir , gets rewritten after update |
| 00:08.38 | babilen | DasEi: yes, that is the whole point of removing it before apt-get update |
| 00:08.56 | abrotman | babilen: if he excludes it, does it work fine? |
| 00:09.04 | babilen | mwarning: Could you give me the pciid of your NIC please (lspci -nn |
| 00:09.11 | abrotman | FWIW, you can use a different mirror for just non-free |
| 00:09.12 | DasEi | so it hangs somewhere else, try a dpkg-reconfigure apt, LostyJai |
| 00:09.13 | babilen | |grep -i ethernet) |
| 00:09.14 | mwarning | babilen, sec |
| 00:09.32 | LostyJai | dpkg-reconfigure apt ? |
| 00:09.34 | LostyJai | i thought just parted |
| 00:09.39 | babilen | mwarning: lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet (the alphanumerical identifier in [] at the end) |
| 00:09.42 | DasEi | LostyJai: nick-miss |
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| 00:09.49 | DasEi | so it hangs somewhere else, try a dpkg-reconfigure apt, mwarning |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | DasEi: uh, no |
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| 00:11.01 | babilen | mwarning: same error without non-free? (i have to warn you as I'll soon call it a day) |
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| 00:11.58 | mwarning | babilen, 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Device [1969:1083] (rev c0) |
| 00:12.19 | mwarning | babilen, yes, same error with de and no "non-free" |
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| 00:13.21 | mwarning | babilen, ok, it has taken quite long already. I can try some other approach. |
| 00:13.27 | babilen | mwarning: It can't be the same error as the old one complained about non-free ;) |
| 00:13.52 | mwarning | ok, I will get you the paste :D |
| 00:14.02 | p3rror | hello |
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| 00:14.10 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
| 00:14.10 | p3rror | is there any software |
| 00:14.21 | p3rror | for watching TV |
| 00:14.22 | mwarning | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/125432/ |
| 00:14.25 | babilen | mwarning: No, I believe you ... s/non-free/contrib/ or whatever. |
| 00:15.08 | babilen | mwarning: And I guess that you get an error about main if you remove contrib? |
| 00:15.21 | mwarning | I would have to try, sec |
| 00:16.09 | babilen | mwarning: your NIC is supported by .38 -- I wonder what you are running into. Could you take a look at the file it complains about? |
| 00:17.07 | mwarning | babilen, before I pick up the usbstick again, the error looks the same when I remove contrib |
| 00:18.16 | abrotman | p3rror: apt-cache search television ? |
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| 00:18.24 | p3rror | ah |
| 00:18.34 | p3rror | i use Livestation before |
| 00:18.40 | jhutchins_kc | Is it possible that the existing file on the computer is corrupted, and therefore it can't be updated? What about cleaning out all of the index files and starting from scratch? |
| 00:18.40 | mwarning | babilen, the file contains html source code Oo |
| 00:18.41 | p3rror | but i have some problems with it |
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| 00:19.01 | mwarning | babilen, oh, I think I got it now.... |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | jhutchins_kc: already done that |
| 00:19.14 | babilen | mwarning: hmm, that is a bit problematic. Do you use a proxy or something like that? |
| 00:19.19 | babilen | mwarning: hmm? |
| 00:19.27 | mwarning | babilen, I know what it is. |
| 00:19.29 | mwarning | :P |
| 00:19.32 | babilen | and? |
| 00:19.39 | mwarning | it'S the login page of my router |
| 00:19.48 | babilen | mwarning: I hate you |
| 00:19.51 | babilen | :) |
| 00:20.23 | mwarning | I start to help myself now as well. xD |
| 00:20.30 | mwarning | s/help/hate/ |
| 00:20.34 | babilen | mwarning: (that was a joke btw) |
| 00:20.42 | mwarning | hehe, I know |
| 00:21.13 | DasEi | p3rror: over a pc-card or network ? |
| 00:21.19 | mwarning | the problem is that dns and ping works, but for everything else it redirects to the login page |
| 00:21.28 | p3rror | over internet |
| 00:21.32 | mwarning | babilen, that made it hard to detect, but now I realize |
| 00:21.36 | p3rror | DasEi, i talk about web TV |
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| 00:21.44 | DasEi | p3rror: your location ? |
| 00:21.52 | mwarning | babilen, thanks for the dedicated help! |
| 00:22.02 | babilen | mwarning: well, we could have taken a look a bit earlier. but meh, glad you know what the error is now. |
| 00:22.08 | p3rror | DasEi, Africa |
| 00:22.25 | mwarning | babilen, well, at least, I do learn from mistakes. At least I try. :P |
| 00:22.43 | DasEi | p3rror: not familiar with it (de here), miro could work |
| 00:23.18 | DasEi | p3rror: or use a german/swiss mirror, but language, err |
| 00:23.52 | DasEi | p3rror: with a proxy you can watch zattoo in browser, some few english channels there |
| 00:23.59 | babilen | mwarning: Ok, please fix your connection. revert the changes to your sources.list so that it resembles http://paste.debian.net/125429/ again, install the bdo kernel and reboot. |
| 00:24.16 | mwarning | babilen, aye |
| 00:24.19 | mwarning | on my way |
| 00:24.32 | babilen | mwarning: You can then remove the .38 kmuto kernel and you should be good to go. |
| 00:24.40 | mwarning | babilen, anyway, don't I already have the bdo kernel |
| 00:24.43 | mwarning | ah, ok |
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| 00:25.56 | babilen | mwarning: You can also install linux-image-2.6-amd64 from backports (apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-2.6-amd64) which will depend on the newest kernel in bdo .. |
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| 00:27.25 | RhanisRho | Hi, I have a question. I want to use a new dell laptop with linux, but how will I know if the linux kernel in debian stable (e.g., ) will support the hardware of the machine? And when I find this out, and find out what isn't supported, how can I configure the kernel and install DVD to support the hardware? For example, if the stock kernel doesn't support wifi or ethernet of the laptop, then installing linux would work how? |
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| 00:27.48 | DasEi | p3rror: one last: http://watch.squidtv.net/africa/south_africa.html |
| 00:28.05 | dvs | RhanisRho: Use a live debian ISO? |
| 00:28.26 | RhanisRho | dvs: ethernet and wifi did not work |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | RhanisRho: try the kmuto installer |
| 00:29.23 | dvs | RhanisRho: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 00:29.29 | mwarning | babilen, installation is in progress :) |
| 00:29.33 | abrotman | RhanisRho: or use the installer that includes firmware .. Dell is one of those crappy vendors that supports firmware-only hardware |
| 00:29.53 | babilen | mwarning: marvellous -- anything else? |
| 00:30.11 | RhanisRho | abrotman: which installer includes the firmware? |
| 00:30.19 | RhanisRho | And what is firmware-only hardware? |
| 00:30.23 | babilen | !tell RhanisRho -about firmware image |
| 00:30.43 | babilen | RhanisRho: But kmuto comes with firmware too (read the description) -- You can also provide it during the installation |
| 00:30.49 | babilen | !tell RhanisRho -about installer firmware |
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| 00:31.09 | mwarning | babilen, nothing so far. I will continue to build up my system. But let me reboot first |
| 00:31.17 | babilen | mwarning: sure |
| 00:33.22 | mwarning | reboot with new kernel works |
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| 00:33.28 | mwarning | installing X system etc. now |
| 00:33.48 | dvs | mwarning: remove the old kernel |
| 00:34.12 | RhanisRho | babilen: Okay so there's another version of debian that comes with some of the firmware that people might need, gotcha. But then what if this doesn't contain what's necessary? How will I know which firmware I need and how can I find it? |
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| 00:35.21 | babilen | RhanisRho: It is the kernel firmware that is packaged seperately. There are either semi-official images that include the firmware directly or you download it and can provide it on an USB stick as detailed in the installation guide (did you read the links dpkg told you about?) |
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| 00:35.52 | babilen | mwarning: have fun |
| 00:36.53 | RhanisRho | babilen: what firmware? |
| 00:37.04 | un214 | iron? |
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| 00:38.12 | RhanisRho | abrotman: Which one of the three should I choose for amd64? |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | RhanisRho: three where? i don't know where you're looking? and you probably want i386 for a desktop |
| 00:38.36 | babilen | RhanisRho: why not the newest one? |
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| 00:38.47 | __sorin__ | hi |
| 00:39.24 | __sorin__ | Is there way to make 'find .' not output ./foobar besides stripping it with | sed -e 's:^\./::g' -e '/^\.$/d' ? I want to see use/bin instead of ./usr/bin because I don't want to include '.', aka the directory in an archive. |
| 00:39.46 | un214 | (cd / | find *) |
| 00:39.55 | un214 | no wait aht doesn't work |
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| 00:40.23 | un214 | (cd / && find usr) should do it |
| 00:40.27 | babilen | RhanisRho: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/ + http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ |
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| 00:41.11 | dvs | RhanisRho: Do you know what ethernet and wifi you have? |
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| 00:41.39 | Gekz | say I have a repository for stable, testing and unstable debian versions, can I have a package with the same name but a different version number under different _component_ names under the same release name? |
| 00:41.52 | __sorin__ | un214: The only problem is that I can't do that since it's not in root. |
| 00:42.13 | Gekz | so foo-1.0 under stable main, and foo-1.1a under stable but under stable alpha for instance? |
| 00:42.13 | un214 | where is it? |
| 00:42.23 | __sorin__ | I need to archive stuff in temp directory that will be unarchived in / |
| 00:42.40 | un214 | don't make absolue path archives |
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| 00:42.59 | un214 | many tools now eat the leading / on dearchive |
| 00:43.16 | samasas | > err: file '/lib/libgcc_s.so.1' not found |
| 00:43.19 | samasas | Any help? |
| 00:43.27 | un214 | apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:43.29 | samasas | What do i need to install, or link? |
| 00:43.29 | RhanisRho | I'm a little confused here; do I use the kumjo thing or what babilen is giving me? |
| 00:43.54 | __sorin__ | un214: tar -xpvf foo.tar.gz -C / will bork the permissions on / because the directory, aka the period, is included with 'tar -czf foo.tar.gz .' |
| 00:43.58 | dvs | RhanisRho: It depends what wifi and ethernet chips you have |
| 00:44.04 | samasas | for a more detailed question, i am attempting to run gwan |
| 00:44.15 | RhanisRho | dvs: Well, from windows I see "DW1520" |
| 00:44.17 | __sorin__ | un214: The only way to fix that is to not included the directory ".", but still include all files. |
| 00:44.35 | babilen | RhanisRho: I've been giving you links to kmuto and firmware |
| 00:44.39 | samasas | I would enjoy to see how it works. Just before I discovered gwan I thought of implementing ansi C into apache to replace bulky php. |
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| 00:44.54 | samasas | I am not fond at all of type juggling |
| 00:45.01 | un214 | what I do is cd to the temp directory and archive with wildcard |
| 00:45.02 | babilen | RhanisRho: I just wanted you to see that the difference between the three kmuto thingies is their creation date |
| 00:45.10 | dvs | RhanisRho: I'd just get a kmuto to be safe. |
| 00:45.14 | un214 | and on extract cd to / and unarchive |
| 00:45.19 | samasas | Back on topic, any help: > err: file '/lib/libgcc_s.so.1' not found? |
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| 00:46.09 | RhanisRho | dvs: So there's kmuto who makes his own install iso with extra firmware, and then there's backports... at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/ which one would use with the extra firmware at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/ ? Correct? What's the difference? |
| 00:46.09 | babilen | RhanisRho: It is just on the mirror, if you look at the actual links you'll see that you download from exactly that mirror (the cdimage.debian.org one in the beginning) |
| 00:46.11 | __sorin__ | un214: The wild card may miss hidden files. |
| 00:46.26 | un214 | then do * .??* |
| 00:46.56 | babilen | RhanisRho: No, the images are exactly the same -- check the links on the kmuto site. It is just a .... ah, forget it. Just get the kmuto images and stop confusing yourself with it. |
| 00:47.03 | RhanisRho | Backup, I'm confused here. I have a laptop I want to use with debian; I tried an install iso and DHCP failed, leading me to guess that it doesn't have support for my hardware. |
| 00:47.12 | samasas | /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.6/libgcc |
| 00:47.18 | RhanisRho | Where does one go from here? |
| 00:47.40 | babilen | RhanisRho: There can be lots of reason, missing firmware or an outdated kernel among them. Which network controller do you have in your laptop? |
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| 00:47.52 | RhanisRho | babilen: I don't know. How do I find out? |
| 00:47.57 | __sorin__ | un214: You're assuming it's at least 3 chars long |
| 00:48.09 | babilen | RhanisRho: Try the kmuto installer, it will most likely work. |
| 00:48.17 | un214 | if you want to be more exact you're going to have to sed-filter then |
| 00:48.41 | un214 | but why the heck do you have a hidden file in / |
| 00:48.47 | un214 | (what will be /) |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | samasas: is the file there? does the architecture match ? |
| 00:49.01 | RhanisRho | babilen: and the kumto installer is just another iso? I burn it to a disc and install it like that? |
| 00:49.35 | __sorin__ | un214: Because I'm using a Mac, not Debian, and since the Mac channel is filled with morons, I have to ask CLI stuff elsewhere. :) |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | __sorin__: please go somewhere else |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | not remotely funny |
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| 00:50.25 | RhanisRho | babilen: Is there a way to make a bootable usb key on win7 using the kumto installer? |
| 00:50.39 | un214 | all the same a hidden file /.x is very bad taste |
| 00:51.02 | un214 | besides, you should know full well if there are any hidden files |
| 00:51.19 | dvs | RhanisRho: rawrite |
| 00:51.22 | un214 | this might do it: find `ls -A` |
| 00:52.10 | DasEi | RhanisRho: yes, unetbootin |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | un214: please stop, he's offtopic in this channel |
| 00:52.24 | RhanisRho | DasEi: tried that, never could get it to work. Is there some secret to it? |
| 00:52.43 | abrotman | unetbootin is crap |
| 00:53.02 | DasEi | RhanisRho: format usb to fat 32 before, don't use whole space available for storage |
| 00:53.18 | babilen | No unetbootin! |
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| 00:54.05 | RhanisRho | DasEi: what do you mean by that last bit? |
| 00:54.52 | __sorin__ | un214: Indeed but perhaps, ls -A | xargs find just to be safe. |
| 00:54.54 | babilen | RhanisRho: I have to confess that I am not sure if the kmuto installer is transferrable to a USB stick just like the official ones. Do you know if they are hybrid ones, abrotman ? |
| 00:56.22 | DasEi | RhanisRho: it lets you preserve space for persistent storage, say image has 700mb and your stick is 4 gb,dob't use 3,3g for it, but say 3g; idk why the others are so bad with that |
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| 00:56.33 | RhanisRho | babilen: rawrite looks pretty old; doesn't seem to recgonize usb sticks. |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | wonders why that didn't highlight |
| 00:56.57 | abrotman | babilen: AFAIK, they should be the same, just a new kernel |
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| 00:57.06 | abrotman | however, i do know that unetbootin rarely works |
| 00:57.16 | dvs | yup |
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| 00:57.59 | DasEi | just did my last two installs of squeeze with it,both 32 and 64, so no idea, abrotman |
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| 00:58.23 | un214 | wonders what abrotman was wondering about |
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| 00:58.25 | RhanisRho | It has never worked for me, and I've tried it dozens of times. |
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| 00:59.06 | RhanisRho | So without rawrite or unetbootin, is there anyway on windoze to make a usbkey to install debian? |
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| 00:59.20 | abrotman | !goodbye-microsoft |
| 00:59.20 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:59.21 | babilen | yes, unetbootin does not work for sure and my guts tell me that you can use them for usb install as detailed in the installation guide as well, but I am not sure. |
| 00:59.56 | babilen | RhanisRho: try that website, it is fun :) |
| 01:00.21 | RhanisRho | babilen: but will that install this special firmware iso I need? |
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| 01:00.35 | babilen | no |
| 01:00.42 | RhanisRho | Then it's useless to me |
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| 01:01.06 | babilen | !tell RhanisRho -about usb install |
| 01:01.24 | DasEi | RhanisRho: there are other ways, too like friggling with hp-tools or pendrivelinux, but I shared my experience and don't want a poll |
| 01:01.27 | babilen | RhanisRho: Why don't you try the usb install? And if that doesn't work you can still burn it to a blank cd |
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| 01:02.03 | RhanisRho | https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download |
| 01:02.04 | max_sharpe | lol |
| 01:02.16 | dvs | RhanisRho: Yeah, use that. |
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| 01:02.26 | babilen | RhanisRho: You'll have to rename the .iso to .img because windows is a bit anal about file extensions |
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| 01:03.19 | max_sharpe | why would it matter if its iso or img? |
| 01:03.34 | max_sharpe | Inst that more the program that can open that? |
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| 01:03.57 | babilen | max_sharpe: It does not, but I've been told that the tool that the usb install factoid links to does not accept .iso files as input |
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| 01:04.29 | max_sharpe | So the program doenst exactly like it. |
| 01:04.33 | max_sharpe | Not windows? |
| 01:04.34 | babilen | max_sharpe: Which is most likely due to windows determining the type of a file by its extension |
| 01:05.05 | babilen | max_sharpe: I have no idea what is to blame exactly. Most likely the program + wrong windows api calls, but *shrug* |
| 01:05.49 | babilen | mwarning: getting along? |
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| 01:06.00 | max_sharpe | yes. |
| 01:06.14 | RhanisRho | babilen: phew... okay, usb key is written. I'm going to reboot and see how this works. |
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| 01:09.17 | doublehp | when lsof is not available, how to know why a volume can not be umounted ? |
| 01:10.27 | DasEi | doublehp: try fuser |
| 01:12.16 | mwarning | babilen, pretty good so far :) |
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| 01:12.48 | mwarning | I try to get the network manager installed atm. |
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| 01:13.48 | smugglerinc | Would granting sudo privileges limited to a specific script allow for the commands in the script to be used with the elevated privileges? |
| 01:13.50 | doublehp | DasEi: thanks :) working |
| 01:13.56 | un214 | yes |
| 01:14.06 | RhanisRho | success somewhat! it boots from the usb key, but at the install screen it says it can't find an iso. |
| 01:14.11 | DasEi | doublehp: nice |
| 01:14.11 | smugglerinc | Thanks. |
| 01:14.16 | RhanisRho | Was I supposed to put an iso on the key.... oops. |
| 01:14.22 | un214 | you might want to check to sudo manpage |
| 01:14.32 | un214 | if it doesn't clear IFS and certain other variables you're hosed |
| 01:14.41 | un214 | I know it doesn't clear PATH so reset path at the top of your script |
| 01:14.46 | RhanisRho | !kmuto |
| 01:14.46 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.38) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 01:15.01 | smugglerinc | un214: Geh. Thank you. |
| 01:15.03 | RhanisRho | I needed two things form there, not just one. |
| 01:15.20 | doublehp | DasEi: mounted my network divx disk in my Android smartphone over Wifi, and, the phone media-service was locking the network disk ... preventing umount. |
| 01:15.39 | doublehp | DasEi: Yes my phone can read *all* my divx ^^ |
| 01:16.36 | DasEi | doublehp: with fuser -km /dev/sdx can kill any access (which might be bad if a copy still in progress) |
| 01:17.29 | babilen | RhanisRho: What did you write to the stick? |
| 01:17.41 | RhanisRho | babilen: not the .iso |
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| 01:17.51 | babilen | RhanisRho: what then? |
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| 01:18.00 | RhanisRho | babilen: well, the hdmedia thing, to boot usb. |
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| 01:18.19 | abrotman | i know .. why do it the way that works, come up with your own method! |
| 01:18.27 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 01:38.24 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:38.24 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 01:38.29 | orioni | how to compile nano for armv5el ? |
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| 01:38.42 | orioni | !nano |
| 01:38.43 | dpkg | GNU nano is a text <editor>, the default editor on Debian systems since Etch. nano is also a DFSG-free alternative to <pico>. http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/faq.html http://www.nano-editor.org/ |
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| 01:46.38 | MrFrood | does not pico now meet the DFSG requirments? |
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| 01:47.11 | abrotman | MrFrood: doubtful .. it's still based on pine, right? |
| 01:47.21 | MrFrood | alpine |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | is there an alpico ? |
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| 01:47.57 | MrFrood | abrotman: the package is alpine-pico |
| 01:48.22 | roniwiz | hello everyone |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | MrFrood: boo! |
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| 01:50.06 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:51.10 | roniwiz | gee, haven't see all... |
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| 01:54.40 | RhanisRho | Thanks to whoever was helping me a minute ago; the advice I was given should be written up somewhere. |
| 01:54.55 | RhanisRho | I have another question: the chromium-browser included in squeeze doesn't support flash? |
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| 01:55.54 | DasEi | RhanisRho: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree; all browsers need that |
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| 01:56.27 | mosno | RhanisRho, false, you can use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:56.57 | mosno | RhanisRho, or gnash, if you want to be "pure" |
| 01:57.08 | mosno | (actually, i can't verify that gnash works) |
| 01:57.11 | RhanisRho | I also have no wifi and no sound. |
| 01:57.40 | mosno | RhanisRho, try the Debian wiki |
| 01:57.50 | dvs | RhanisRho: lspci -nn | grep -i wire |
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| 01:58.35 | RhanisRho | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43224 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4353] (rev 01) |
| 01:58.38 | DasEi | dvs: wire=wifi ? |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | ugh |
| 01:59.07 | dacu | I have a somehow sofisticated system - I want to clone it as it is - and the clone should be bootable -exact as it is the original not compressed or anything what should I use ? |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | !BCM43224 |
| 01:59.08 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM43224 (PCI ID 14e4:4353, incorrectly identified as BCM4353 by wlc_hybrid) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:0576 - found in the Thinkpad Edge, upgraded Thinkpad X120e - is supported by <wl> in wheezy. |
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| 01:59.40 | kNC | for nonfree wireless firmwares; go to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
| 01:59.43 | DasEi | dacu: dd on a second hd |
| 02:00.13 | dvs | RhanisRho: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | kNC: he's beyond that already |
| 02:00.43 | dacu | DasEi: so I take the working hard disk out of the system - hook the original HDD and the EMPTY in a working DEbian then what is the command I need to do ? |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | kNC: and it wouldn't help him anyway |
| 02:00.51 | DasEi | !dd |
| 02:00.51 | dpkg | somebody said dd was an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 02:01.02 | kNC | abrotman; i am just typing that out. no idea what hes on about :< |
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| 02:01.51 | abrotman | then why would you say that |
| 02:01.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:01.55 | DasEi | dacu: you leave the working one, put the emtpy on, too, and then dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb with sda working and sdb empty one |
| 02:01.59 | Eval_Sanchez | I'is it advisable to update to kernel 3.0? |
| 02:02.00 | dvs | DasEi: I thought "wireless" would show up but it's such a hit-and-miss thing |
| 02:02.18 | DasEi | dvs: ah , ok |
| 02:02.19 | Eval_Sanchez | I'm on Debian 6, is it advisable to update to kernel 3.0? seeing as though hurd will be on 7? |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: does your current kernel work ? |
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| 02:02.36 | Eval_Sanchez | yes.. |
| 02:02.42 | Eval_Sanchez | you're gonna say "then stick with it" |
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| 02:02.46 | dacu | DasEi: so dd works on live system ? |
| 02:02.57 | dvs | Eval_Sanchez: Upgrade! :-P |
| 02:02.57 | Eval_Sanchez | Debian 6 comes with .32 kernel.. |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: does your current kernel work ? |
| 02:03.06 | Eval_Sanchez | yes it does abrotman |
| 02:03.09 | DasEi | dacu: boot a live os for it, because small chance of error if you work on system, yes |
| 02:03.14 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: then why change it? |
| 02:03.20 | dvs | !sns |
| 02:03.20 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 02:03.28 | Eval_Sanchez | to see how it's done, to upgrade my kernel |
| 02:03.29 | Eval_Sanchez | to try |
| 02:03.30 | RhanisRho | Uh oh, error: |
| 02:03.35 | RhanisRho | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.49 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: then why are you asking us ? |
| 02:03.58 | kuznetzvo | shiny new shit syndrome LOL |
| 02:04.05 | Eval_Sanchez | to see if everything will still work if anybody has tried it before |
| 02:04.10 | Gen_Patton | -/win 4 |
| 02:04.14 | dvs | RhanisRho: Ah, you need the bpo kernel. |
| 02:04.15 | un214 | I used to have to run sid until squeeze came out |
| 02:04.23 | RhanisRho | linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 couldn't be found |
| 02:04.26 | RhanisRho | dvs " |
| 02:04.27 | un214 | neither oldstable nor testing booted |
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| 02:04.43 | dvs | RhanisRho: You can't install that package? |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: i'm sure someone has .. you can be the next person |
| 02:04.53 | Eval_Sanchez | but how would I do it? |
| 02:04.57 | RhanisRho | dvs: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64" |
| 02:05.05 | Eval_Sanchez | the searches don't really provide anything ..useful |
| 02:05.47 | dvs | RhanisRho: Add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 02:06.33 | Eval_Sanchez | i have the tar file here, do i ..untar it to /boot? |
| 02:06.48 | RhanisRho | dvs: that did it |
| 02:07.01 | dvs | RhanisRho: and run "aptitude update" as root? |
| 02:07.16 | RhanisRho | dvs: What about the audio drivers, does linux have the intel audio drivers also? |
| 02:07.33 | dvs | RhanisRho: It does |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | maybe you should get his complete lspci -nn ? |
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| 02:09.17 | RhanisRho | http://paste.debian.net/125435/ |
| 02:09.30 | RhanisRho | Also, the broadcom build fails for other reasons now. |
| 02:09.33 | RhanisRho | I don't know how to find the log or I'd post it. |
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| 02:10.11 | dvs | ,pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 02:10.12 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 02:11.12 | dvs | RhanisRho: What were you doing? |
| 02:11.29 | RhanisRho | dvs: I was following http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze |
| 02:11.35 | macrobat | Eval_Sanchez: if you don't know how to do it, you probably shouldn't :D |
| 02:11.36 | RhanisRho | at step dvs # m-a a-i broadcom-sta |
| 02:11.50 | Eval_Sanchez | bad philosophy! |
| 02:11.59 | Eval_Sanchez | how will you ever know if you don't try |
| 02:12.05 | macrobat | have fun |
| 02:12.40 | dvs | RhanisRho: Did you install the linux-headers package? |
| 02:12.45 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: then go read the instructions, why keep asking us ? |
| 02:12.57 | RhanisRho | dvs: Yes, like you said. |
| 02:13.03 | dvs | RhanisRho: uname -r |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | !fish |
| 02:13.06 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 02:13.07 | Eval_Sanchez | the searches aren't producing anything with "How to install/How to updgrade etc.." |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | Eval_Sanchez: "how to uncompress tar.gz" .. try google |
| 02:13.30 | RhanisRho | 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 02:14.06 | dvs | RhanisRho: Then we need the error message that is coming up. |
| 02:14.19 | RhanisRho | dvs: does it write it to some log file? |
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| 02:15.06 | dvs | RhanisRho: Not sure about module-assistant |
| 02:15.14 | RhanisRho | dvs: got it: http://paste.debian.net/125436/ |
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| 02:18.38 | dvs | RhanisRho: dpkg -l broadcom-sta-common |
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| 02:19.00 | RhanisRho | No packages found matching broadcom-sta-common. |
| 02:19.20 | babilen | RhanisRho: You want to install the backports kernel first -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 02:19.35 | dvs | <RhanisRho> 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 02:19.38 | RhanisRho | babilen: already installed. |
| 02:19.48 | RhanisRho | 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 02:22.30 | babilen | isn't bdo at .39 now? |
| 02:22.34 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 02:22.35 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 2.6.39-2-686-pae (2.6.39-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 02:22.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:22.52 | babilen | ,kernels --release amd64 |
| 02:22.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35) |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | you did tell him to install the metapackage |
| 02:23.01 | babilen | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 02:23.02 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 02:23.14 | babilen | gargh |
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| 02:23.49 | RhanisRho | What do I do now? |
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| 02:24.29 | dvs | RhanisRho: You don't have the latest backport kernel. |
| 02:24.29 | babilen | abrotman: The metapackage depends on .39 as well. |
| 02:25.28 | babilen | ,depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --release squeeze-backports |
| 02:25.29 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64. |
| 02:26.17 | dvs | RhanisRho: apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:26.17 | abrotman | babilen: doesn't mean he installed it ... |
| 02:26.43 | babilen | indeed |
| 02:26.47 | RhanisRho | http://paste.debian.net/125438/ |
| 02:27.16 | babilen | isn't that still the kmuto one? |
| 02:27.26 | dvs | yup |
| 02:27.39 | babilen | !tell RhanisRho -about bdo kernel |
| 02:27.56 | Bernhard | after installing ubuntu server 11.4 i get these errors. On reboot the file system /boot is corrupted. When i repair this disk with knoppix cd it says it was uncleanly unmounted. after repair it boots normal. But after a reboot i gives the same error. The error message is Cannot write bytes: pipe error. Basicly it does not unmount /boot correctly. Then i installed Debian to see if it was a |
| 02:27.56 | Bernhard | software issue. But the i get about a similar error. When Debian shuts down it says something like this: cannot unmount file system failed. So it seems it is some sort of same issue.. idears ? |
| 02:27.59 | dvs | RhanisRho: aptitude install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 02:28.12 | RhanisRho | Ah! |
| 02:28.16 | RhanisRho | dvs: I didn't notice that either :) |
| 02:28.17 | babilen | RhanisRho: although I would install linux-image-2.6-amd64 in your case. If you need further instructions you can also follow http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 02:28.31 | babilen | !otherchannel Bernhard #ubuntu-server irc.freenode.net |
| 02:28.31 | dpkg | Bernhard: The channel you are looking for is #ubuntu-server on irc.freenode.net. Please do /server irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu-server. If your client supports it, you can also right-click the following link and choose connect: irc://irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu-server |
| 02:28.49 | babilen | Bernhard: Or how is this related to Debian? |
| 02:29.34 | ParkerR | Bernhard, #ubuntu |
| 02:30.27 | RhanisRho | babilen: the m-a build still fails. |
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| 02:30.47 | abrotman | did you install the .39 kernel yet? |
| 02:30.49 | dvs | RhanisRho: Because you need the headers |
| 02:31.01 | RhanisRho | http://paste.debian.net/125441/ |
| 02:31.06 | RhanisRho | dvs: I installed them, didn't I? |
| 02:31.25 | dvs | RhanisRho: for the old kernel, not the newly downloaded one |
| 02:31.28 | abrotman | you have to be running the .39 kernel |
| 02:31.28 | RhanisRho | aptitude install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64 <--- what's that do? |
| 02:31.43 | dvs | RhanisRho: and to do that, you need to reboot into the new kernel. |
| 02:31.55 | RhanisRho | Oh, okay, be right back then |
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| 02:32.24 | babilen | RhanisRho: You installed the kernel, headers and rebooted? |
| 02:32.32 | RhanisRho | I did this |
| 02:32.32 | RhanisRho | I did this |
| 02:32.42 | abrotman | no ... |
| 02:32.45 | RhanisRho | oops, I mean.. . aptitude install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:32.46 | dvs | RhanisRho: for the OLD kernel |
| 02:32.49 | RhanisRho | and I was going to reboot now... |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | so reboot, then try again |
| 02:32.59 | RhanisRho | ok |
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| 02:33.23 | abrotman | i know we only said that probably like 10 times ... |
| 02:34.22 | wad | Hi folks. My debian box has an md device on it. A pretty big one, 6TB. Anyway, the server's been having problems today and yesterday. I just did a cat /proc/mdstat, and discovered it's doing a massive check. It's been running for days now. It's 92% done. Why is it doing this? |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | scrubbing ? |
| 02:35.02 | dvs | wad: You tell us: mdadm /dev/md0 --details |
| 02:35.04 | dvs | wad: You tell us: mdadm /dev/md0 --detail |
| 02:35.07 | wad | ok |
| 02:35.10 | wad | tries it |
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| 02:35.48 | wad | Hmm, no output. |
| 02:36.14 | wad | tries with verbose. |
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| 02:36.26 | wad | still no output from the command. |
| 02:36.29 | boudiccas | its dead jim, not as we know it, but its dead jim! |
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| 02:36.40 | wad | lol |
| 02:36.51 | RhanisRho_ | and it still fails: http://paste.debian.net/125442/ |
| 02:36.59 | dvs | wad: mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 02:37.01 | wad | No, it works. By "problems", I just mean that it's been slow. It streams video, but it drops sometimes. |
| 02:37.01 | dvs | order matters |
| 02:37.02 | joe6 | how do i list all parallel printer ports? |
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| 02:37.14 | wad | oh, heh. |
| 02:37.15 | joe6 | i do not see anything in /dev/ |
| 02:37.18 | dvs | RhanisRho: Because now you need the header for the NEW kernel\ |
| 02:37.22 | joe6 | like parport* or lp* |
| 02:37.31 | wad | State : clean, recovering |
| 02:37.34 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: so what do I do to get it? |
| 02:37.52 | dvs | RhanisRho_: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:37.59 | dvs | oops |
| 02:38.16 | dvs | RhanisRho_: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 02:38.25 | wad | All devices are working, no sign of error, except that it's "recovering". Recovering, but from what? |
| 02:38.26 | Bernhard | <babilen> you have read my text ?> |
| 02:38.35 | wad | checks dmesg |
| 02:38.37 | boudiccas | wad; flu? |
| 02:38.47 | wad | Not a virus!! ;) |
| 02:39.02 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: still doesn't build after installing htat |
| 02:39.26 | RhanisRho_ | http://paste.debian.net/125443/ |
| 02:39.36 | wad | Hmm, dmesg shows: [2957244.113240] md: data-check of RAID array md1 |
| 02:40.15 | dvs | RhanisRho_: Strange. The only other thing I can think of is to download the newer broadcom packages from wheezy |
| 02:40.28 | wad | "md: minimum _guaranteed_ speed: 1000 KB/sec/disk." and "md: using maximum available idle IO bandwidth (but not more than 200000 KB/sec) for data-check.". I think it's just doing this on it's own. Skynet? |
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| 02:40.57 | wad | looks at the config to see if it scheduled auto-checks or something. |
| 02:41.28 | dvs | RhanisRho_: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/broadcom-sta-source and http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/broadcom-sta-common |
| 02:41.45 | Bernhard | <ParkerR> you read my text ? |
| 02:41.49 | boudiccas | Bernhard; lets get this straight. you're on a windows box asking about ubuntu-server, which is nothign to do with debian and you want us to help you? is that a correct summary? |
| 02:42.36 | wad | Oh well, it seems healthy-ish, I guess. I'll keep an eye on it. |
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| 02:42.50 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: I wish I understood what all of this was doing... |
| 02:42.58 | Bernhard | <boudiccas> you read my text ? Then i installed Debian to see if it was a software issue. But the i get about a similar error. When Debian shuts down it says something like this: cannot unmount file system failed. So it seems it is some sort of same issue.. idears ? |
| 02:42.59 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: maybe I'll table getting wifi to work for now, and move on to audio. |
| 02:43.15 | dvs | RhanisRho_: Broadcom chipsets are a pain in the butt |
| 02:43.18 | babilen | Bernhard: Which text? |
| 02:43.31 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: This isn't a broadcom issue, this is a linux/debian problem. |
| 02:43.37 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:43.42 | boudiccas | Bernhard; what was the /exact/ error message you got from your debian shut-down? |
| 02:43.49 | babilen | Bernhard: Ah, that one :) sorry! |
| 02:44.34 | Bernhard | Debian stops with: shutting down lvm volume groups: cant deactivate volume group "group" with one open logical volume |
| 02:44.50 | nevyn | Bernhard: is root on lvm? |
| 02:44.57 | Bernhard | yes |
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| 02:45.26 | nevyn | so.. when the system halts.. there's a volume that's still being read from lvm. |
| 02:45.29 | nevyn | that's fine |
| 02:45.36 | nevyn | ie it's a notification not an error. |
| 02:45.46 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: maybe that wasn't working because of the step prior to m-a on that guide. it was for 'squeeze' not kmuta? |
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| 02:46.41 | dvs | RhanisRho_: No, the kernel headers do not match what the broadcom source is expecting. |
| 02:47.03 | Bernhard | So you are telling me when i install /boot on a partition which does not use lvm i should not get that error message ? |
| 02:47.14 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: Okay, well, how can I get the audio drivers/video drivers? |
| 02:47.41 | dvs | RhanisRho_: It should already be loaded. Try "lsmod | grep snd" |
| 02:48.16 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: Yes, but it's the generic one right? not the intel one? |
| 02:48.28 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: I'm saying this because it doesn't sound like it does on windows. |
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| 02:48.45 | dvs | RhanisRho_: What doesn't sound like it does on Windows? |
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| 02:48.53 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: it's much louder on windows. |
| 02:49.04 | dvs | RhanisRho_: Then it's just a mixer issue |
| 02:49.19 | dvs | RhanisRho_: alsamixergui should take care of that. |
| 02:49.23 | nevyn | Bernhard: / not /boot |
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| 02:49.36 | nevyn | Bernhard: I'm saying it's not an error don't worry about it. |
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| 02:50.00 | mi-black | Hello all |
| 02:50.19 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: what about video? |
| 02:51.00 | dvs | RhanisRho_: Huh? The screen looks ok, right? |
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| 02:51.38 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: video drivers are already installed? I thought you had to do this manually? |
| 02:51.44 | mi-black | I am hesitant in twice (or more ...) choice :x |
| 02:51.46 | Bernhard | <nevyn> ok but strange.. when its not an error its a bug ? Seeing failed in Red letters while shutdown is in progress it does not give the impression that nothing is wrong.. |
| 02:52.06 | ParkerR | Bernhard, yes I did |
| 02:52.34 | mi-black | Ubuntu , debian stable/debian testing i am bery hesitant ... |
| 02:52.46 | mi-black | very* |
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| 02:53.21 | dvs | RhanisRho_: If you have a GUI, then you're fine. |
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| 02:53.53 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: it's using which driver though? |
| 02:54.00 | Gen_Patton | I am even move hesitant to use unstable or testing repos due in park tothe fact that i use the driver from nvidia for my graphics card |
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| 02:54.19 | dvs | RhanisRho_: You have to go into the /var/log/xorg.0.log to find that out. |
| 02:54.26 | RhanisRho_ | :) |
| 02:54.29 | mi-black | Can you help me in the choice ? |
| 02:54.49 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: I don't have that file. |
| 02:55.19 | DasEi | mi-black: use a vm and check different distros |
| 02:55.21 | dvs | RhanisRho_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:55.33 | RhanisRho_ | dvs: got it |
| 02:56.12 | LtL | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.17 | LtL | sorry |
| 02:56.51 | nevyn | Bernhard: so it's a failure to stop lvm because it's currently running programs off the root filesystem which is on lvm. |
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| 02:58.00 | Bernhard | ok thanks im off. |
| 02:58.12 | Gen_Patton | I can bot seem to get nvidia-settings to store and restore the ~/.nvidia-settings-rc file a created for my noregular user nore can I get sudo nvidia-settings to save an acceptible /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/ |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | what is wrong with him? |
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| 02:59.13 | RhanisRho_ | Thanks all for the help. |
| 02:59.19 | dvs | np |
| 02:59.25 | mi-black | and the difference in iso-cd/dvd/bd (in the 'list' of paquet ?) |
| 03:00.11 | babilen | !tell mi-black -about install guide |
| 03:00.18 | babilen | !tell mi-black -about netinstall |
| 03:00.27 | babilen | !tell mi-black -about various cd1 |
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| 03:01.35 | rypervenche | mi-black: I use Debian Testing as my main distro. |
| 03:02.05 | Gen_Patton | here is my xorg.conf file http://pastebin.com/MB4wUbki |
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| 03:03.02 | mi-black | (Hum i see 58 CD for the install of debian ... isn't too many ??) |
| 03:03.07 | RhanisRho_ | How do I tell which audio driver I'm using and if there are others available that may be better? |
| 03:04.08 | rypervenche | mi-black: Use the netinstall. |
| 03:04.20 | mi-black | (And thanks babilen for the link) |
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| 03:06.41 | mi-black | And I was told that the wifi might have problems (for 1 laptop and 1 netbook) |
| 03:07.42 | rypervenche | mi-black: for Testing? |
| 03:07.50 | mi-black | yes |
| 03:08.30 | babilen | mi-black: The CDs and DVDs contain *all* packages in Debian main, which essentially means that you don't need them if you have an internet connection as you can always download packages from the mirrors. Which computer are you going to install Debian on? |
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| 03:09.24 | mi-black | On the laptop and on the netbook ^^' |
| 03:09.34 | mi-black | to replace my ubuntu |
| 03:10.09 | atomicblast | Hi |
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| 03:10.28 | babilen | mi-black: Could you be a bit more specific? Which kernel version do you have on Ubuntu right now? Could you check on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ which kernel version you need and could you also paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 03:11.20 | atomicblast | Quick question: How to make pptpvpn work/act like proxy? |
| 03:11.58 | mi-black | i use hum ... i think use ubuntu 10.04 (not with gnome 3) |
| 03:12.26 | Gen_Patton | atomicblast: You would need a squid or other proxy server on the othe end of the ppp or vpn connection i thing. |
| 03:12.30 | atomicblast | what I mean is that I want to use it for some actions but I don't want to route ALL traffic through it |
| 03:12.54 | atomicblast | Gen_Patton: Well... I'm trying to make squid work on vpns IP |
| 03:13.21 | mi-black | http://paste.debian.net/125448/ <= the output to lspci -nn |
| 03:13.24 | babilen | mi-black: Are you in Ubuntu right now? |
| 03:13.45 | atomicblast | But it just freezes which I'm assuming is caused by 'no routing' ;> |
| 03:13.52 | mi-black | yes |
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| 03:14.08 | babilen | mi-black: What does "uname -r" give you? |
| 03:14.39 | babilen | mi-black: But it looks quite OK - Do you have a working (wired) internet connection during the installation? |
| 03:14.41 | mi-black | 2.6.35-30-generic |
| 03:15.27 | mi-black | i can install with internet wired |
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| 03:15.41 | babilen | !tell mi-black -about BCM5764M |
| 03:16.46 | babilen | mi-black: That essentially means that your NIC is supported by the kernel in Debian squeeze, but that you need firmware. There are two ways to achieve that. You can either use a netinstall image with firmware (probably easier) or provide the firmware during the installation on an USB stick. |
| 03:16.52 | babilen | !tell mi-black -about firmware image |
| 03:16.59 | babilen | !tell mi-black -about installer firmware |
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| 03:17.37 | babilen | mi-black: If I were you I would just grab the firmware image -- Are you planning to install from CD or USB? |
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| 03:18.24 | mi-black | from USB i think (4Gb) i think reasonable |
| 03:18.40 | babilen | !tell mi-black -about usb install |
| 03:18.59 | mi-black | (And the netbook i cant have an acces for this time ^^' |
| 03:19.10 | Gen_Patton | How do iget the /home/username/.nvidia-settings-rc file to execute ar logon? |
| 03:19.43 | atomicblast | put it in the .bashrc |
| 03:19.46 | Gen_Patton | How do iget the /home/chip/.nvidia-settings-rc file to execute ar logon? |
| 03:20.09 | babilen | mi-black: The images from Debian are hybrid images and you can create the USB installer stick by running "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdbX" -- So if your usb stick is /dev/sdb (check dmesg|tail -23 after plugging it in) you would run "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb" (note: *not* /dev/sdb1 or something like that) |
| 03:20.31 | babilen | mi-black: I would say: Install the laptop first and then the netbook |
| 03:20.33 | mi-black | (o_o So mutch reading x) ) |
| 03:20.45 | Gen_Patton | atomicblast: ant special calls i must appen to the file so it usesit when login graphically? |
| 03:21.35 | atomicblast | don't think so |
| 03:22.02 | atomicblast | just put the full path to the .bashrc and it should work |
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| 03:23.50 | mi-black | i am so tired :'( |
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| 03:26.45 | babilen | mi-black: Do it tomorrow then -- In short: Download the firmware image, cat it to the usb, boot and install. |
| 03:27.42 | mi-black | babilen , i note your comment and i look at it tomorrow |
| 03:28.03 | babilen | mi-black: Good night in that case :) |
| 03:28.49 | Gen_Patton | atomicblast: It still isn't workin correctly even with the fiull path to the .nvidia-settings-rc file in the .bashrc |
| 03:29.10 | mi-black | Ho i download the "debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso" and i think create a bootable usb with a software no ? |
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| 03:29.38 | mi-black | (Download from : http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst) |
| 03:30.08 | Gen_Patton | with /usr/bin/nvidia-settings --config=/home/chip/.nvidia-settings-rc ^^ |
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| 03:30.19 | babilen | mi-black: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:30.45 | Gen_Patton | mi-black: wget ** |
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| 03:30.48 | babilen | mi-black: That one contains the firmware that is needed for your NIC |
| 03:30.50 | Gen_Patton | mi-black: wget ^^ |
| 03:30.53 | mjmt | Gen_Patton: You want: nvidia-settings --load-config-only |
| 03:31.03 | LinuxX | i have a fresh installation , debian squeeze with no errors , when i enter my password to login , i login successfully but , i only see the wallpaper , and there is no panels and nothing i can do nothing please help me :) |
| 03:31.13 | Gen_Patton | rthank you mjmt |
| 03:31.21 | mi-black | So i install directly this ? |
| 03:31.35 | babilen | mi-black: Yes, you use that image. |
| 03:32.09 | mi-black | okay ^^' thks (and sorry for my english :x) |
| 03:32.37 | mi-black | (i am frensh and tired .... very tired (5 :32 am :x) |
| 03:32.43 | rypervenche | T'es français ? |
| 03:32.58 | babilen | mi-black: UK here ;) -- Bon nuit! |
| 03:33.09 | mi-black | Ouais , mais je fais l'éffort de parler comme il y'a une majorité d'anglais |
| 03:33.35 | babilen | mi-black: You know that we also have a french channel? (not that I think that your English is a problem) |
| 03:33.38 | babilen | !fr |
| 03:33.38 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 03:33.47 | LinuxX | i have a fresh installation , debian squeeze with no errors , when i enter my password to login , i login successfully but , i only see the wallpaper , and there is no panels and nothing i can do nothing please help me :) |
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| 03:35.21 | LinuxX | i have a fresh installation , debian squeeze with no errors , when i enter my password to login , i login successfully but , i only see the wallpaper , and there is no panels and nothing i can do nothing please help me :) |
| 03:35.26 | babilen | LinuxX: Seriously: There is no need to repeat it and cross-post it to all channels. You should rather give more information: What did you use for the installation? Did you install the desktop task? Do you have errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? What about ~/.xsession-errors? Which desktop environment/window manager are trying to start? ... yadda da yadda dum |
| 03:35.29 | mi-black | I do not know for the french chan , but if I can improve my English =) ) |
| 03:36.14 | babilen | mi-black: Sure, just wanted to let you know that your English is no problem ... and there are a lot of non-native speakers here. |
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| 03:37.52 | LinuxX | ive installed the desktop task ,and iive installed gnome , i have no errors |
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| 03:39.16 | mi-black | I would return tomorrow , good night/day |
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| 03:39.52 | babilen | LinuxX: Could you run ctrl-alt-f1, log in with your user and check the files I mentioned? You can also install pastebinit and run "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net ~/.xsession-errors" and the same command but with /var/log/Xorg.0.log instead of the x-errors (with absolute path) |
| 03:40.00 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 03:40.46 | simonlnu | :/ |
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| 03:43.02 | factor | Anyone on testing or higher. |
| 03:43.19 | factor | I have been in stable for a while, first time in a long time I have been stable |
| 03:43.40 | factor | normaly I use testing , but have been using stable for while now. |
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| 03:54.14 | Sean-Der | Sorry if this is a stupid question, but is the intel driver good enough for 3D games? |
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| 03:54.43 | Sean-Der | I used to run ArchLinux and when using the intel driver it worked great but for some reason now while using Debian it hard locks |
| 03:54.56 | Sean-Der | I get a warning about bad_alloc not enough memory? |
| 03:56.56 | nevyn | Sean-Der: so. for simple 3d games it's acceptable. but not for complex modern 3d games. |
| 03:57.36 | Sean-Der | nevyn: What is the non-free driver I should be using? |
| 03:58.16 | nevyn | Sean-Der: there is no non-free intel driver that I'm aware of. |
| 03:58.32 | nevyn | if you have optima graphics then the situation is... evolving. |
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| 03:59.23 | Sean-Der | Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 03:59.53 | Sean-Der | There is something seriously wrong though with my setup. In Arch dosbox ran wonderfully, in Debian my system hard locks |
| 03:59.56 | nevyn | umm yeah well umm that's a horseof a a somewhat different colour. |
| 04:00.30 | wols_ | Sean-Der: what debian version? |
| 04:01.03 | Sean-Der | Squeeze 6.02 |
| 04:01.36 | Sean-Der | I am thinking of going to sid though |
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| 04:01.59 | nevyn | Sean-Der: arch is somewhat more out there with these sort of drivers.. |
| 04:02.02 | nevyn | hrm |
| 04:02.11 | wols_ | sandy bridge and squeeze don't mix well. back when squeeze was made there was no sandy bridge yet |
| 04:02.20 | wols_ | don't use sid, use testing |
| 04:02.48 | Sean-Der | What do I change my sources.list too? |
| 04:02.55 | nevyn | testing or wheezy |
| 04:02.57 | Sean-Der | Sorry I just started using Debian today |
| 04:03.15 | Sean-Der | So basically squeeze -> wheezy everywhere? |
| 04:03.22 | Sean-Der | in that config file? |
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| 04:04.01 | wols_ | !tell Sean-Der about squeeze-wheezy |
| 04:04.01 | wols_ | !tell Sean-Der about squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:04.06 | wols_ | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:04.06 | dpkg | Following a release, testing tends to be more of a developer's playground and a <moving target>. If you have to ask how to do this, ask yourself if you know enough about Debian packaging to run a non-stable release yet. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, then change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". See also <testing> and <apt-listbugs>. |
| 04:04.44 | Sean-Der | Ok thank you! |
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| 04:07.56 | skilz | Anyone know of image software to enhance a pixelated image? Like say for example I have a small image and I zoom in then I want to clean it up so it looks clearer? |
| 04:08.35 | skilz | Or have I just been watching too much tv like CSI? |
| 04:08.49 | wols_ | way too much CSI |
| 04:08.59 | wols_ | gimp should do what you want, within reason |
| 04:09.19 | skilz | Ok what am I looking for in gimp? |
| 04:09.37 | f00li5h | skilz: find source on the image, download a higher res version |
| 04:09.37 | wols_ | sharpen, contrast, etc |
| 04:09.51 | nevyn | skilz: and a decent scale algorithym |
| 04:10.01 | skilz | f00li5h: Not possible. |
| 04:10.34 | f00li5h | what? computers are not that far advanced? |
| 04:10.45 | skilz | nevyn: Please enlighten me about scale algorithym |
| 04:10.54 | Gen_Patton | damn nvidia-settings wont use my fucking ,nvidia-settings-rc file |
| 04:11.14 | nevyn | skilz: so to enlarge the image use the scale option in gimp |
| 04:11.50 | nevyn | then select the algorythm marked "best" in the scale dialog |
| 04:12.07 | nevyn | skilz: this may still be ugly |
| 04:12.22 | max_sharpe | the reason you cant only zoom in so much is there is only so much information in any picture . |
| 04:12.29 | max_sharpe | its all broken down to pixels |
| 04:12.36 | nevyn | right |
| 04:12.41 | max_sharpe | if you have a low res shot you cant do much. |
| 04:13.01 | nevyn | but a bilinear scaling algorithm may do "better" than just zooming in |
| 04:13.10 | skilz | nevyn: I cannot see any 'best' algorythm? |
| 04:13.25 | skilz | Image > Scale Image |
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| 04:13.28 | nevyn | yep |
| 04:13.35 | nevyn | bottom left of the dialog |
| 04:13.57 | skilz | not there, just Quality - Interpolation |
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| 04:15.22 | nevyn | right. |
| 04:15.44 | nevyn | right interpolation is a fancy word for "making up the bits inbetween" |
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| 04:16.11 | nevyn | what it does it attempt to detect features of the image (like curves) and then do the "right" thing with them |
| 04:16.32 | max_sharpe | the problem is what is right? |
| 04:16.43 | nevyn | sure. |
| 04:16.48 | max_sharpe | thats why software can help but there is a finite limit |
| 04:16.57 | nevyn | absolutely |
| 04:17.09 | max_sharpe | Certain operations also make images easier to understand |
| 04:17.27 | nevyn | move to YUV rahter than RGB space. |
| 04:17.34 | max_sharpe | yeah. |
| 04:17.53 | max_sharpe | one program i have has a option to reverse rgb |
| 04:18.06 | max_sharpe | and black white flipping |
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| 04:18.33 | nevyn | skilz: interpolation is what I metn by algorithm. |
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| 04:26.33 | skilz | nevyn: I don't have right interpolation, just None, liniar, qubic and sinc |
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| 04:28.45 | skilz | oh my mistake |
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| 04:36.55 | xoz | if the /tmp is missing, what probably causes it? |
| 04:37.10 | xoz | any log file i can check for the symptom? |
| 04:39.46 | karlpinc | xoz: If /tmp is missing |
| 04:40.23 | xoz | this happens every sunday... so im thinking one of the cron.weekly is causing it. |
| 04:40.43 | kuznetzvo | i'm not sure off the top of my head. in the abscence of a wols_ reply with infinite wisdom, i'd say look at /var/log/messages or cron to see if something stands out |
| 04:41.11 | karlpinc | xoz: Whatever it is is really broken. It wouldn't hurt to fsck your filesystem to be sure nothing's corrupt. |
| 04:41.27 | kuznetzvo | everyone needs a good fscking every now and then. |
| 04:41.48 | karlpinc | xoz: You probably have a home grown script doing something bad. That would be the best case. |
| 04:41.55 | xoz | the fact that it happens every weekend means that it might be a cron related thing... |
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| 04:42.08 | kuznetzvo | i think /var/cron/log |
| 04:42.14 | xoz | ok |
| 04:42.18 | karlpinc | xoz: Yes. You could read all the weekly scripts. |
| 04:42.36 | karlpinc | xoz: Unless the program logs it's deletion of /tmp nothing else is going to. |
| 04:43.16 | xoz | quiet strange to have /tmp gone. |
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| 04:44.53 | kuznetzvo | could you su and touch something in /tmp that's chown'd to root? if the script isn't running with god on the box, then it wouldn't be able to wipe /tmp if it's not empty, which could generate an error if you end up not finding one |
| 04:45.15 | kuznetzvo | ^RFC. i did just pull that out of my ass btw. |
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| 04:46.55 | Gen_Patton | How does one figure out the loaded kernel modules? |
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| 04:47.10 | kuznetzvo | on gentoo i think i used dsomething like lsmod but that was waaaaaaaay long ago |
| 04:47.24 | jason404 | I ran bmin and it showed that I have three interfaces. lo, eth0 and eth1. what is lo?? |
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| 04:47.29 | kuznetzvo | localhost. |
| 04:47.34 | kuznetzvo | that's your loop. |
| 04:47.35 | jason404 | oh |
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| 04:47.43 | jason404 | thanks |
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| 04:48.23 | kuznetzvo | i'm just glad i know roughly 50% of about 5% of the questions that are asked here :)\ |
| 04:49.24 | jason404 | more than me then |
| 04:52.43 | jmarsden | xoz: You could test the "it's a cron.weekly script" idea by running each of them by hand at a time of your choice and checking for the presence or absence of /tmp after each one... :) |
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| 05:35.53 | twofish | what's the best process to follow for recompiling the kernel in Deb? |
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| 05:36.17 | twofish | I've found like 4 or 5 different guides and all of them conflicting and out of date |
| 05:36.25 | twofish | including the various official / wiki things |
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| 05:39.40 | DasEi | twofish: apt-get install kernel-package build-essential , make, make menuconfig ... |
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| 05:40.34 | jokar | o/ all |
| 05:40.40 | jokar | he hello all |
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| 05:41.56 | jokar | i create a new Ext4 partition with Gparted,when i want mount this partition i should enter my root password,i want mount this partition during boot,i write in fstab file /dev/sdb1 /media/linux defaults 0 0 |
| 05:42.29 | jokar | but not mount correctly!!! |
| 05:43.32 | DasEi | jokar: fs missing ? (ext4) |
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| 05:44.00 | jokar | what is your opinion? |
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| 05:44.27 | DasEi | jokar: /dev/sdb1 /media/linux ext4 defaults 0 0 |
| 05:44.27 | karlpinc | twofish: make-kpkg works fine. Read the readme.debian (IIRC). |
| 05:44.49 | jokar | o/ DasEi : oh i should write ext4? |
| 05:45.02 | DasEi | jokar: yes, man fstab |
| 05:45.11 | jokar | o/ DasEi:thanks |
| 05:45.16 | jokar | ;) |
| 05:45.23 | karlpinc | twofish: It's in kernel-package. |
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| 05:46.37 | DasEi | jokar: to test, save fstab and do a : mount -a |
| 05:47.16 | jokar | o/ DasEi : in during boot,no nedd password? |
| 05:47.21 | jokar | need* |
| 05:47.46 | jokar | when i want mount this partition in debian,i should enter password for mount |
| 05:47.51 | DasEi | jokar: and if you plan to attach multible disks and changing them, use blkids, no , no pw needed if such line in fstab, but.. |
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| 05:48.30 | jokar | o/ DasEi :yeah i has two hdd |
| 05:48.31 | DasEi | jokar: you might have to own the mountdir to regular user to access content (/media/linux) |
| 05:48.55 | jokar | yeah i change my own directory |
| 05:49.28 | jokar | o/ DasEi :i hope my problem solved |
| 05:49.39 | DasEi | jokar: in fstab , you can have a unique number for /dev/sdb1 |
| 05:49.51 | DasEi | blkid shows it |
| 05:49.53 | jokar | UUID? |
| 05:49.58 | jokar | yeah i know |
| 05:50.04 | jokar | is it important? |
| 05:50.21 | jokar | o/ DasEi : i must write my UUID in fstab? |
| 05:50.58 | jokar | o/ DasEi:can you show me a complete line? |
| 05:51.01 | DasEi | jokar: if you often change disks, like usb, sata .. the bios will else change the /dev/sdX , you should, if just two fixed disk sdBlah works, too |
| 05:51.14 | DasEi | jokar: su |
| 05:51.22 | DasEi | jokar: blkid |
| 05:51.35 | DasEi | jokar: which is the UUID of sdb1 ? |
| 05:52.02 | jokar | o/ DasEi : yeah i see my UUID,for example 2234345..... |
| 05:52.17 | jokar | after? |
| 05:52.32 | DasEi | jokar: 2234345 /media/linux ext4 defaults 0 0 for fstab |
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| 05:53.00 | DasEi | jokar: and don't copy the hyphens ("") |
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| 05:53.32 | jokar | o/ DasEi:hyphens ? |
| 05:53.43 | jokar | in UUID? |
| 05:54.23 | DasEi | double quotes, yes in the output |
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| 05:55.22 | jokar | o/ DasEi :aha |
| 05:55.31 | jokar | UUID="1b95f919-d805-4e93-b5c0-8e4cb9755619" |
| 05:55.48 | DasEi | "-":) |
| 05:55.48 | jokar | o/ DasEi: i understand |
| 05:56.17 | jokar | o/ DasEi: - is too?i shouldn't copy it? |
| 05:56.25 | jokar | only number? |
| 05:56.44 | DasEi | jokar: sorry, just the string with hyphens without double quotes |
| 05:57.14 | DasEi | 1b95f919-d805-4e93-b5c0-8e4cb9755619 /media/... |
| 05:57.30 | jokar | o/ DasEi : thanks |
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| 06:09.51 | DasEi | jokar: so you want to encrypt a partition ? |
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| 06:22.38 | DasEi | jokar ? |
| 06:23.24 | jokar | o/ DasEi : i'm sorry,I wiil soon back,Plz wait |
| 06:23.59 | jokar | o/ DasEi :plz wait i will back in 10 min |
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| 06:24.39 | DasEi | jokar:will be gone then, either truecrypt or cryptsetup |
| 06:25.31 | jokar | o/ DasEi:wait,tnx |
| 06:27.13 | Bushmills | encfs would be another option |
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| 06:30.10 | bonjoyee | my debian squeeze is no longer showing the boot messages during shutdown..what could be wrong? |
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| 06:30.54 | Bushmills | boot messages during shutdown sounds wrong |
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| 06:31.43 | Bushmills | my system shows them during boot |
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| 06:32.10 | bonjoyee | Bushmills: i mean the messages during the shutdown...and yes my first statement was not technically correct.. |
| 06:32.33 | skilz | Is there anyway to play mp3s throught my pc speaker? |
| 06:32.54 | Bushmills | try to change to console, vt1 for example, attempt shutdown there |
| 06:33.09 | bonjoyee | Bushmills: everytime? |
| 06:33.41 | Bushmills | no. just to get an idea whether there are no shutdown messages at all, or whether they're simply not shown on wheree you look at |
| 06:34.45 | bonjoyee | Bushmills: they are shown when I shutdown from vt..but they almost never turn up when shutting down from gnome |
| 06:35.51 | Bushmills | maybe exiting from your display manager or X session doesn't switch to the vt which shows shutdown messages |
| 06:36.41 | bonjoyee | Bushmills: what can be done to correct it? |
| 06:36.57 | Bushmills | switch to the right vt? |
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| 06:37.59 | skilz | Is there anyway to play mp3s throught my pc speaker? |
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| 06:40.22 | jmarsden | skilz: Theoretically, yes. Set up the pc speaker as an output device for your sound subsystem, and then playback the MP3 files with any MP3 player software you choose. |
| 06:40.57 | skilz | jmarsden: Can you guide me along to do this please? |
| 06:41.00 | AimHere | Then again, for the love of baby Jesus and your own sanity, install a soundcard ;) |
| 06:41.10 | jmarsden | skilz: No, sorry :) |
| 06:41.42 | skilz | AimHere: I have a soundcard, but no speakers, just headphones, so I want to listen to music while im cooking dinner :) |
| 06:41.55 | Bushmills | skilz, try googling for pwm audio driver linux |
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| 06:42.46 | skilz | Bushmills: Okay, thanks. |
| 06:43.06 | Jmirc | Hello guys..i already done download dvd-iso 1.. What is dvd-iso 2-8 for..? |
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| 06:44.24 | skilz | Someone is telling me The PC speaker is powered by a 4 bit analog, driverless system. You'd have to connect it to a device that can actually process sound. |
| 06:44.31 | jelly-home | Jmirc: installations with no internet connectivity |
| 06:44.55 | skilz | And the PC speaker isn't powered by an encoder/decoder set. It's driverless. You cannot pass non serial data to it |
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| 06:46.30 | he1kki | Hi, I have major problems with mysql (Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.49) in freshly dist-upgraded Debian Squeeze. After disk full situation, mysql server doesn't start at all. Not after reboot, disk cleanup nor with "mysql force-reload". Any debugging hints? |
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| 06:47.36 | jelly-home | he1kki: inspect mysql lines in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 06:47.54 | blackshirt | hello |
| 06:48.19 | RenatoSilva | are debian packages translatable through debian.org like in Launchpad (rosetta)? there's a translation (po) in LP and I'd like to have it upstream |
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| 06:48.52 | skilz | jmarsden: Does that sound correct? |
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| 06:49.18 | skilz | Bushmills: Is this person correct who told me this? |
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| 06:49.44 | jmarsden | Maybe, but irrelevant. You need to find the pc speaker driver and get it working, not worry about low level details of what the speaker can do, which that driver should handle... |
| 06:49.55 | he1kki | jelly-home: Aa, now we are getting somewhere, thanks! I was login mysql.err which was empty. Any suggestions with those errors? http://pastebin.com/jUSgEe0d |
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| 06:50.30 | Bushmills | skilz, pwm converts analog (or, digital audio, a quasi-analog) signal into a serial stream of 0 and 1 |
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| 06:51.31 | Bushmills | think of it at speaker membrane ballistics control |
| 06:51.44 | jmarsden | skilz: Hint: there is probably a kernel module named snd-pcsp.ko which may be of interest to you. |
| 06:52.18 | jmarsden | But I need to go to bed... |
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| 06:53.15 | skilz | 16:52 < OmegaForte> skilz, For DRIVER-RAN SYSTEMS. Your PC speaker isn't DRIVER RAN. It's RAW SERIAL. You would need a SERIAL INTERPRETER BETWEEN THAT DEVICE and THE DRIVER..Which your PC speaker DOESN'T HAVE. |
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| 06:54.10 | jmarsden | skilz: ask this guy what snd-pcsp.ko is, if it is not a pc speaker driver :) |
| 06:54.16 | Bushmills | pwm driver *is* such a kind of "serial interpreter" |
| 06:54.43 | Bushmills | or, rather, the opposite |
| 06:54.47 | skilz | 16:53 < OmegaForte> skilz, Then how are...WAit...I keep forgetting. Debian will run on a toaster.. |
| 06:55.01 | skilz | 16:54 < jmarsden> skilz: ask this guy what snd-pcsp.ko is, if it is not a pc speaker driver :) |
| 06:55.04 | skilz | oops |
| 06:55.10 | jmarsden | Goodnight... |
| 06:55.22 | Jmirc | So that means i must download all the dvd-iso 1-8 because i dont have internet connection,..? |
| 06:55.36 | skilz | Apparently Pc manufacturers stopped putting drivers in the bios frontend for the PC speaker four years ago. |
| 06:56.06 | bumblebee | Jmirc: what ? |
| 06:56.08 | Bushmills | who need bios based drivers anyway, other than for booting? |
| 06:56.36 | skilz | 16:55 < OmegaForte> skilz, A speaker driver, and a sound driver are different |
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| 06:57.25 | delby | hi. i installed skype from the repo but i cannot get the video calling to work. am i doing something wrong or is video simply not available? |
| 06:57.30 | skilz | jmarsden: Any infomation on how to enable this snd-pcsp.ko kernel module please? |
| 06:57.49 | Bushmills | playing pwm audio through speaker, with signal generated by software, was very common at a time when sound cards weren't that common |
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| 07:00.34 | xro | Hi, i have a question about mail... i posted on #postfix but there isn't anyone... I have a mail server and i works fine. But for 1 client i get --> Undelivered mail .... --> "Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 xxx.xxx.xxx (mail.messaging.xx) ESMTP server not available (no DNS Reverse)"... What is the real reason? |
| 07:00.36 | skilz | Bushmills: So you think enabling that kernel module will get me out of trouble? |
| 07:00.50 | eugenmayer | Good morning. Actually, how would i properly set routes using /etc/network/interfaces ⦠up route add -net 192.189.250.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.189.251.70 eth0 â¦. seems to not work, or in more details does not get applied |
| 07:01.05 | Bushmills | i don't know about "that kernel module". i suggested to you to google for pwm audio driver |
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| 07:02.38 | Bushmills | eugenmayer: is there a route to 192.189.251.0/24? in other words, can the gateway be reached? |
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| 07:04.55 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: yes, e.g. the line in the upper, .70 is the default gateway for the current net, so it is reachable of course |
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| 07:05.34 | Bushmills | eugenmayer: you're aware that 192.189 aren't rfc1918 addresses? i.e. not addresses, reserved for LANs? they are internet routable, and have their netblock owners |
| 07:05.49 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: the server itself is 192.189.251.250 .. so its in the same net |
| 07:06.05 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: its a customer - not my choice :) |
| 07:06.29 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: customer network to be more specific - iam just deploying an application |
| 07:07.17 | Bushmills | you may want to kindly inform them that if they need more address space, 10.x.x.x offers many more addresses than 192.168.x.x |
| 07:07.33 | skilz | Bushmills: snd-pcsp.ko |
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| 07:08.43 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: generally, my usage isnt wrong, or? |
| 07:08.58 | nevyn | or 172.16-32.x.x |
| 07:09.10 | nevyn | everyone forgets the class B |
| 07:09.33 | Bushmills | though if route to gateway exists, a missing route to gateway isn't the cause of your problem |
| 07:10.09 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: well using route add -net 192.189.250.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.189.251.70 eth0 |
| 07:10.18 | Bushmills | well, 10.x are 65536 /24 subnets |
| 07:10.24 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: in the cli works out pretty good, looking at route -n |
| 07:11.37 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: oh - wait a second. if i have 2 interfaces and the last one defined in interfaces is not used, routes are below that interface .. those do not get applied? |
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| 07:11.53 | eugenmayer | i mean, do thouse up route things stick to a "interface" context defined before? |
| 07:11.56 | namelessdog | hello |
| 07:12.04 | Bushmills | eugenmayer: yes, they do |
| 07:12.10 | eugenmayer | facepalms |
| 07:12.13 | [E]sc | i'm having some trouble getting my wireless working on my squeeze. it's RaLink's RT3090...i tried using debian's and their drivers without any luck...any ideas would be great. |
| 07:12.25 | eugenmayer | Bushmills: iam an idiot. Sorry for wasting your time. |
| 07:12.29 | Bushmills | np |
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| 07:31.52 | sedulous | someone should write a tmux screen bridge that allows attaching to screens from tmux |
| 07:32.07 | sedulous | (integrating it with keyboard shortcuts etc) |
| 07:32.12 | jokar | o/ DasEi: how encrypte a partition? |
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| 07:40.41 | hyper_ch | hello there, I'm trying to setup debian as dhcp server and I wonder if the server's ip address must be x.x.x.1 or can it be anything like 192.168.0.55 ? |
| 07:41.13 | nevyn | hyper_ch: there's no requirement that the dhcp server ip be .1 it probably shouldn't be inside the dhcp range tho. |
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| 07:41.47 | hyper_ch | nevyn: great, thanks :) |
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| 08:10.20 | odn | hello :) i've something i don't understand. i'm trying to build a testing debian, and apt-get say me "gdm" is obsolete... but when my system's installed, i've got it in synaptic :s |
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| 08:14.09 | Lahnosh | Hello, I have a problem, after installing virtualbox to get an error at shutdown and I have turned off fromthe button, happened to anyone? thanks:) |
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| 08:14.22 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody already experienced long delay to open file via Samba ? |
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| 08:15.55 | iceroot | _Christophe_: samba can open files? |
| 08:16.07 | _Christophe_ | Yes, but it is very slow... |
| 08:16.25 | _Christophe_ | Even for small file like doc, xls, etc. |
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| 08:19.18 | _Christophe_ | Any idea iceroot? |
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| 08:21.03 | iceroot | _Christophe_: how fast you can copy the files over cifs? |
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| 08:23.43 | _Christophe_ | iceroot, it is normal... |
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| 08:24.26 | hyper_ch | nevyn: do you know how to make the dhcp server not set a default route? |
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| 08:24.47 | jxrgx | hi all |
| 08:25.05 | jxrgx | how can I mount a usb from command line as normal user? |
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| 08:25.25 | jxrgx | what is the group for enable this? |
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| 08:25.56 | Bushmills | depends. try plugdev |
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| 08:26.31 | Bushmills | or pmount. |
| 08:26.38 | nkuttler | !tell jxrgx about usbmount |
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| 08:27.45 | jxrgx | I need something manual for a script, I don't know if it is better to enable in /et/group or sudo |
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| 08:30.46 | jxrgx | I add my user in group plugdev and give me the same problem that only root can mount |
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| 08:34.02 | jxrgx | plugdev is a group onlye for be used by pmount? |
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| 08:38.01 | Bushmills | nope. usbmount controls access to devices through plugdev group too |
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| 08:49.49 | SmokeyD | hey everyone. I just mounted a webdav folder with davfs2, but I can't unmount it anymore. The mountpoint contains a space in it's name, and I umounted it with umount "/path/to/mount point". But umount.davfs still complains it can find "/path/to/mount" and that it can't find "point/" |
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| 08:50.20 | SmokeyD | I manually killed the process. But how can I now make the rest of the os know the folder is not mounted anymore? |
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| 08:50.58 | SmokeyD | If I go to the mountpoint and issue an ls, I get an error that the transport endpoint is not connected. |
| 08:51.05 | SmokeyD | Is it enough to remove the line from /etc/mtab? |
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| 08:52.12 | Lahnosh | Hello, the computer gives me an error at shutdown, this happens after installing virtualbox. Hangs, any ideas? |
| 08:52.19 | dirtycookie | hi, i wanted to know if it is possible to cache downloads when several users in my network want to download a software from the internet, avoiding to clog up the bandwidth |
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| 08:52.54 | SmokeyD | Lahnosh, it would be usefull if you actually tell us what error you are getting.\ |
| 08:53.41 | SmokeyD | dirtycookie, I am not sure, but I think you could try setting up a http proxy and forcing the users on your network to use that and make the proxy cache |
| 08:53.45 | jxrgx | Bushmills, ok, but I need something manual. I am trying sudo but ask me for passwd |
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| 08:54.23 | dirtycookie | SmokeyD: you mean, to use squid for that? |
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| 08:55.09 | lilith | and a jolly hello to all |
| 08:55.10 | SmokeyD | dirtycookie, maybe. i haven't setup proxy's, but I know squid is a commonly used one, so I would check that out, yes. But I don't know if squid can cache though |
| 08:55.25 | dirtycookie | ok |
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| 08:56.09 | SmokeyD | dirtycookie, check http://www.squid-cache.org/ |
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| 08:56.57 | mmu_man | hmm is it normal that the default user I created when installing 6.0.2.1 only has 1 entry in the "admin" menu ? |
| 08:57.44 | jxrgx | backupadmin ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/mount this is good for mounting without passwd. the system follow asking me for the passwd |
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| 08:58.13 | themill | jxrgx: you might want to double check the location of "mount" |
| 08:59.49 | jxrgx | themill, thank you, now it is right |
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| 09:01.38 | Lahnosh | SmokeyD: I have no idea, apparently console will normally off, but leaves a list of packages, all I can see is drm:drm_fb_helper_panic |
| 09:01.38 | Lahnosh | Bus: scheduling while atomic: swapper/o/ox10010000 |
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| 09:03.34 | bony | I am trying to compile the code for aver media tv tuner card a833 on debian unstable 3.0.0-1-686-pae. While i am running the script i get an error saying "dvbdev.h: no such file or directory" when i tried to find the header file using apt-cache search i get no results at all |
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| 09:06.24 | jargon- | i'm trying to play .mkv files on Dragon Player on wheezy kde. it plays the sound portion but shows no video |
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| 09:06.35 | bony | I did searching and found that these modules are missing because of which the code is not getting compiled "videodev dvbdev videobuf-core videobuf-vmalloc dvb-core tda18271 i2c-core" the other required modules like snd snd_pcm soundcore are there |
| 09:06.45 | bony | how to get these above module |
| 09:06.46 | Drummer | hi.is here a channel wehere i can only chat? |
| 09:07.07 | themill | Drummer: #defocus is the network's social channel |
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| 09:10.40 | haary | Still getting 404 and checksum errors with debmirror today. Tried ftp.de.debian.org and ftp2.de.debian.org |
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| 09:10.50 | mmu_man | odd, seems the CD didn't add the mirror |
| 09:10.56 | bony | haary, try mirror.ayous.org |
| 09:11.03 | bony | haary, its working for me |
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| 09:11.19 | jargon- | what codecs do i need to install for .mkv, .avi and such to play on wheezy kde? |
| 09:11.43 | bony | jargon-, do you have vlc or mplayer? if so try playing with them! |
| 09:11.52 | bony | jargon-, its just a suggestion though |
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| 09:12.11 | haary | @bony, thx, I'll try |
| 09:12.11 | jargon- | bony: i know,but i'm trying to review Dragon Player |
| 09:12.18 | jargon- | i'm sure it'll work with vlc |
| 09:12.25 | bony | jargon-, ok got it |
| 09:12.53 | mmu_man | bony: actually it added it for security and volatile but not the main one, though I was sure I asked it to... |
| 09:13.25 | khem_ | is there any Debian ISO that includes an desktop environment, gcc and wicd/network manager? i am unable to get onto the internet without being able to build my own driver and have a config util for wireless |
| 09:13.39 | bony | mmu_man, I think you can add this mirror for the same purpose. This give it a try |
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| 09:15.31 | bony | khem_, What is the wireless card you have? if its an intel wifi card then i think it is supported out of the box. |
| 09:15.34 | mmu_man | bony: I added it back for main and contrib, now I just need to install the missing packages... aptitude doesn't show anything missing though... seems I must use tasksel to finish installing the tasks |
| 09:15.36 | haary | @bonny: same issue with mirror.ayous.org. My commandline is: "debmirror /data/debian-mirrors/debian-squeeze/ -p -v --ignore-release-gpg --host=mirror.ayous.org -root=debian --method=http --nosource --arch=i386,amd64 --dist=squeeze-updates -cleanup --section=main,contrib,non-free" |
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| 09:16.08 | mmu_man | the french mirror works fine, it was just missing from sources.list |
| 09:17.03 | jokar | o/ all |
| 09:17.20 | jokar | i need a software for Speech PDF file |
| 09:17.39 | jokar | :-/ |
| 09:18.18 | khem_ | bony: mine is not supported out of the box :-( its a DLink PCI. it loads an module and creates an interface, but i need my vendor driver. is there any DVD that comes with all this? |
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| 09:19.20 | bony | khem_, did you try debian DVD? I hope it has all in it. |
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| 09:19.40 | jokar | in linux can i find a software for speech PDF file? |
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| 09:22.01 | goodman | man page |
| 09:22.06 | bony | mmu_man, well the checksum issue is very irritating at times. One solution is to wait a day or two. From one of the posts it said that "while the debian mirrors are getting updated the user will get checksum 404 and missmatch issues." The only solution is to wait till the updates of the mirrors are done which usually takes not more than a day |
| 09:22.24 | bony | can any one help me with my problem? |
| 09:22.25 | themill | jokar: are you looking for something that will read a PDF to you? |
| 09:22.38 | jokar | yeah |
| 09:23.00 | jokar | o/ themill : i use Xpdf |
| 09:23.19 | themill | jokar: okular with the kttsd (text-to-speech) setup can do that for you |
| 09:23.27 | bony | I am trying to compile a driver for aver media tv tuner card. while compiling it is asking for these module's which i am unable to find in the kernel source "videodev dvbdev videobuf-core videobuf-vmalloc dvb-core tda18271 i2c-core" |
| 09:24.21 | jokar | o/ themill :can you show me a link for download? |
| 09:24.21 | bony | the closest i got was this post in debian forum. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=65096 |
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| 09:24.41 | themill | jokar: apt-cache search okular; apt-cache search kttsd |
| 09:24.57 | bony | themill, I was about to say that :) |
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| 09:25.33 | jokar | o/ themill : i download all debian DVD package can i find it in them? |
| 09:26.11 | jokar | o/ themill : is it work on Gnome? |
| 09:26.36 | themill | jokar: if you've added those DVDs to apt, then yes it will find them. Have you tried it yet> |
| 09:26.54 | jokar | o/ themill : thanks |
| 09:27.07 | bony | joker you can search for the package in synaptic too which is a graphical frontend for apt |
| 09:27.13 | debish | hey! |
| 09:27.31 | debish | does anybody know where is esound-clients in testing? |
| 09:27.40 | debish | did they remove it? |
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| 09:28.52 | nevyn | Bad md5sum on packages is a bug your mirror needs to update ftpsync |
| 09:29.15 | jokar | o/ themill : for gnome can you show me a tools like it? |
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| 09:35.23 | ws2k3 | i have a running debian server if u shut it down place new mainbord and proc in it and i will boot it again will that work? |
| 09:35.40 | Sgt_Lemming | ws2k3 depends on the board |
| 09:35.46 | Sgt_Lemming | the cpu won't really affect it |
| 09:35.47 | ws2k3 | its a different board |
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| 09:36.00 | Sgt_Lemming | then in all likelyhood you will encounter issues |
| 09:36.19 | Sgt_Lemming | unless the board has fairly similar specs it will not be a fun process |
| 09:36.34 | ws2k3 | yeah do is it advice to start to |
| 09:36.40 | ws2k3 | or are u saying pleas reinstall |
| 09:36.46 | Sgt_Lemming | I would suggest reinstall |
| 09:36.50 | thewanderer1 | no, reinstallation won't be necessary |
| 09:37.06 | thewanderer1 | this is not Windows... |
| 09:37.19 | ws2k3 | because we have specials servers withs pecial software it will be take some hours to totaly reinstall |
| 09:37.28 | Sgt_Lemming | it's not necessary sure, that doesn't mean it will be a smooth process |
| 09:37.38 | ws2k3 | thewanderer1 thanks |
| 09:37.44 | ws2k3 | Sgt_Lemming i understand |
| 09:37.45 | thewanderer1 | yes, but reinstalling would not help at all |
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| 09:37.50 | mmu_man | bony: checksum ? ah, wasn't aware, no issue here yet |
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| 09:37.56 | themill | jokar: they will work just fine in gnome too. I don't know whether there are gtk equivalents, but "apt-cache search" might. |
| 09:38.05 | bony | mmu_man, ok |
| 09:38.18 | ws2k3 | make htis workd would be alot of work but its nice to learn from |
| 09:38.22 | thewanderer1 | the only thing kept in Debian Squeeze that is hardware-dependent is the network card's MAC -> name mapping |
| 09:38.25 | jokar | o/ themill : thanks |
| 09:38.38 | bony | jokar, why don't you try orca it will read anything on the screen? |
| 09:38.44 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, first, check the new motherboard - run a LiveCD, see if everything is working fine |
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| 09:38.48 | themill | ws2k3: if you are using an on-board NIC then you will need to do something; other than that it should be fine |
| 09:38.59 | bony | jokar, you can configure it to read just the pdf's through evince |
| 09:39.14 | ws2k3 | themill yeah onboard nic |
| 09:39.14 | jokar | o/ bony: really/ |
| 09:39.29 | themill | dpkg: tell ws2k3 about 70 |
| 09:40.04 | ws2k3 | i dont have to rename the nick |
| 09:40.11 | ws2k3 | if it gets another name that not a problem at all |
| 09:40.38 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, but if it gets another name and /etc/network/interface keeps eth0, your server will lose network connectivity :P |
| 09:40.54 | jokar | o/ bony:orca can read all pdf text? |
| 09:40.56 | ws2k3 | yeah i understand |
| 09:41.03 | ws2k3 | then i just modify /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:41.12 | ws2k3 | i wanne say if it gets antoher name is not a problem |
| 09:41.13 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, so you'll have to fix it manually after booting with a screen, keyboard etc. |
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| 09:41.15 | Sgt_Lemming | ws2k3, same drive controller on the new board? |
| 09:41.21 | ws2k3 | i'm looking for the most easy way |
| 09:41.24 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 09:41.28 | ws2k3 | screen and kayboard no problem |
| 09:41.30 | bony | jokar, yes i tired ready text of my local language it did read from pdf |
| 09:42.05 | bony | jokar, but I am sure it will not read the text if the pdf has images |
| 09:42.18 | bony | jokar, the pdf should contain text |
| 09:42.44 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, ok, so as I said, test the new hardware with some LiveCD before moving over to know beforehand what problems you can encounter |
| 09:43.13 | thewanderer1 | attaching some disk for testing would be desirable too, so that you can catch any disk controller-related errors |
| 09:43.21 | jokar | o/ bony: yes my pdf has text |
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| 09:44.07 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3, you can do without testing first, but expect to have downtime on your server if problems arise :P |
| 09:44.25 | jokar | o/ bony: can you show me orca web site? |
| 09:44.26 | bony | jokar, then try reading the file using orca |
| 09:45.10 | bony | https://live.gnome.org/Orca |
| 09:45.52 | bony | jokar, why are you putting 'o/' in front of all your messages? |
| 09:46.15 | jokar | is it buzz? |
| 09:46.25 | themill | jokar: have you tried "apt-cache search orca" yet? |
| 09:46.41 | jokar | now,nah |
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| 09:47.02 | jokar | but i hope i will find it in my debian package |
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| 09:48.45 | jokar | o/ themill :Adobe reader in linux can be read text? |
| 09:48.51 | bony | jokar, just find the packages as themill says |
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| 09:49.09 | bony | jokar, what do you want???? |
| 09:49.12 | jokar | o/ bony: Adobe in linux can be read text? |
| 09:49.21 | themill | dpkg: tell jokar about acroread |
| 09:49.23 | bony | well i don't know |
| 09:49.27 | jokar | adobe reader |
| 09:49.49 | themill | jokar: acroread isn't in debian and there are many better PDF viewers available that are in Debian. I have no idea if it can do TTS. |
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| 09:52.48 | jokar | Adobe reader no has any 64bit version!!!!i download it but i can't install it in debian 64 bit,i install lib32 too. |
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| 09:53.11 | thewanderer1 | jokar, you don't need Adobe Reader to read PDF |
| 09:53.20 | jokar | yeah i know |
| 09:53.34 | thewanderer1 | so why do you want to do that? it has security holes and is not free |
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| 09:53.41 | jokar | but for install 32 bit software on 64 bit distro what should i do? |
| 09:54.11 | jokar | o/ |
| 09:54.40 | movl | jokar: what do you want to install exactly? |
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| 09:54.42 | nevyn | hyper_ch: don't provide a router in the config |
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| 09:55.05 | jokar | i has a 32 bit software and want install it on my debian 64 bit |
| 09:55.34 | themill | !xy problem |
| 09:55.34 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 09:56.32 | themill | ,versions acroread --arch amd64 |
| 09:56.34 | judd | Package acroread on amd64 -- lenny-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.1-0.1; sid-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0; wheezy-multimedia/non-free: 9.4.2-0.0 |
| 09:56.59 | themill | if you really want acroread) |
| 09:57.32 | jokar | //themill: |
| 09:57.37 | bony | bye i will catch you ppl later |
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| 09:57.51 | jokar | no i want install another software |
| 09:58.14 | mmu_man | LOL... "abreviated name for the printer, like 'laserjet': 'Lexmark-International-Lexmark-4039-10plusCLS:PRINTER'" |
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| 09:59.08 | wissem | How to update eclipse? I have installed it from the repos version(3.5) |
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| 09:59.20 | wissem | or how to install the tarball? |
| 09:59.44 | nevyn | wissem: so the best option is to install from backports |
| 09:59.47 | thewanderer1 | wissem, Eclipse project should provide static builds - extract it in your home directory, execute and it should run |
| 09:59.48 | nevyn | !backports |
| 09:59.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 10:00.51 | themill | (there's no eclipse in backports; it has the same upstream version in squeeze and sid) |
| 10:00.52 | wissem | thewanderer1: and it will save my settings? |
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| 10:01.30 | movl | jokar: try okular or evince |
| 10:01.33 | nevyn | oh right. |
| 10:01.47 | thewanderer1 | wissem, I'm not sure about that, backup your settings and see |
| 10:02.03 | wissem | I have backports on my sources.list :) |
| 10:02.18 | jokar | movl: thanks |
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| 10:04.56 | jxrgx | I put a user in sudoers for mounting but when I execute the command the year of the creation of the folder is 1970 |
| 10:05.05 | jxrgx | that is normal? |
| 10:05.20 | jxrgx | and I can't change the owner inside that folder |
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| 10:07.07 | Lahnosh | Hello, the computer gives me an error at shutdown, this happens after installing virtualbox. |
| 10:07.07 | Lahnosh | appears: [drm: drm_fb_helper_panic] * ERROR * panic occurred, switching back to text console |
| 10:07.07 | Lahnosh | along with a linked list of packages and freezes, any ideas? |
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| 10:08.22 | Lahnosh | everything is working properly after uninstall virtualbo |
| 10:08.40 | rozie | Lahnosh: so virtualbox is braking something |
| 10:09.08 | rozie | btw is it kernel from Debian repo and virtualbox from Debian repo? |
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| 10:11.48 | jxrgx | if I mount a partition with sudo the permission of the folder is for root and not for my user, I have tried -o user,users but nothing ¿any idea? |
| 10:13.51 | hyper_ch | nevyn: thx, fixed it :) |
| 10:14.04 | Lahnosh | rozie: VirtualBox is installed from its own repository |
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| 10:15.59 | rozie | Lahnosh: so it does not qualify even for reporting a bug to DDs |
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| 10:16.44 | rozie | Lahnosh: try virtualbox-ose from Debian repo |
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| 10:24.17 | Lahnosh | rozie: the question is that two identical computers, one works and another does not |
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| 10:27.51 | streuner__ | Any oss4 guru around, trying to install oss4-dkms and but i got this http://pastebin.com/bzycuh41 <-- its sid btw, there was a demo version of opensound installed before, the lizense is expiered... |
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| 10:29.53 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 10:30.40 | StefandeVries | \o/ |
| 10:31.25 | djura-san | :D |
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| 10:36.29 | streuner | dkms is a bitch |
| 10:36.37 | streuner | (TM) |
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| 10:42.52 | DarsVaeda1 | hi, I have a cronjob that talks a lot, what is the easiest way to let that write into a logfile and delete things that are older than say 3 months? tutorial links or anything welcome |
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| 10:44.05 | jason404 | i can search for a file in the whole filesystem with this: |
| 10:44.19 | jason404 | sudo find / -name foo |
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| 10:44.37 | jason404 | how do I do the same, but for directories instead of files? |
| 10:44.39 | tvm | darsvaeda1: just redirect the stdout and stderr to a certain file ( in the crontab ), for the rest read the logrotate manpage |
| 10:44.46 | jason404 | or both files and directories? |
| 10:44.54 | DarsVaeda1 | thx |
| 10:45.58 | themill | jason404: you might like to look at "locate" (/msg dpkg mlocate); also, find has options for the type of thing you're searching for (/msg dpkg using find; man find and look for "-type") |
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| 10:47.20 | jason404 | themillL thanks. |
| 10:47.28 | jason404 | themill |
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| 10:49.00 | thewanderer1 | jason404, I think find looks for both files and directories by default anyway |
| 10:49.28 | jason404 | thewanderer1: does it? ic |
| 10:49.37 | kuznetzvo | good morning vietnam |
| 10:50.09 | jason404 | so it does |
| 10:50.17 | kuznetzvo | i love waking up in the morning or coming home from a long trip to find my debian machine still running -- absolutely nothing wrong with it -- no random reboots or crashes |
| 10:50.21 | kuznetzvo | it's such a nice feeling |
| 10:51.22 | jason404 | I am follwing some instructions to install moinmoin |
| 10:51.27 | jason404 | what does this mean? |
| 10:51.28 | jason404 | chown -R www-data:www-data /usr/share/moin/underlay |
| 10:51.39 | jason404 | what is the www-data:www-data bit? |
| 10:51.51 | whomee | user:group |
| 10:51.59 | jason404 | ah, okay. thanks |
| 10:52.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | it means you're breaking your system, step by step :) |
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| 10:53.47 | plugwash | webapp security is always a PITA, you can use things like suexec but afaict they break your ability to use mod-php and similar so usually you end up with every webapp on your server running as www-data |
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| 10:54.16 | thewanderer1 | apache2-mpm-itk solves that |
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| 11:00.17 | streuner | nm, fixed ;-) - -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2219696 8. Aug 12:59 oss-linux-4.2-2004_i386.deb |
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| 11:00.32 | streuner | http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Building_OSSv4_from_source |
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| 11:02.25 | goodman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.29 | Lahnosh | Returning from suspend does not turn on the monitor, which is it? |
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| 11:04.55 | nooodl | apt-get is unable to locate any packages i try to install with it |
| 11:05.06 | nooodl | i've tried apt-get update |
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| 11:05.51 | plugwash | what is the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 11:06.53 | babilen | !tell nooodl -about bat |
| 11:07.18 | babilen | nooodl: Please provide all requested information on http://paste.debian.net :) |
| 11:07.19 | nooodl | plugwash: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/454659/ |
| 11:07.34 | nooodl | oh, right, hold on |
| 11:08.02 | wols_ | nooodl: you got your wlan working? |
| 11:08.46 | plugwash | noodl add the following lines to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:09.14 | plugwash | deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 11:09.18 | plugwash | deb-src http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 11:09.33 | plugwash | then run apt-get update |
| 11:09.39 | plugwash | then you should be able to install stuff |
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| 11:09.55 | babilen | nooodl: Well, you don't really have any repositories apart from security in there. (+ CD) -- I would use something like http://paste.debian.net/125484/ (replace CC with your country code) |
| 11:10.05 | nooodl | wols_: working on it, but i'm using ethernet at the moment :) |
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| 11:11.17 | Lahnosh | Returning from suspend, the computer boots but monitor does not light, what happens? |
| 11:11.42 | nooodl | plugwash: thanks :) |
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| 11:18.22 | Lahnosh | nobody knows what happen? |
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| 11:23.22 | G0d-servant | how much apt-getâs cache limit by default? |
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| 11:24.59 | babilen | nooodl: Did that work out? |
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| 11:25.56 | nooodl | looks like it |
| 11:26.04 | simonlnu | G0d-servant: apt-config dump |
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| 11:26.38 | simonlnu | doesn't show it. |
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| 11:28.08 | nooodl | i can watch youtube videos \o/ |
| 11:29.04 | jelly | ,versions 389ds |
| 11:29.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named '389ds' was found in i386. |
| 11:29.11 | G0d-servant | simonlnu: you now on which of line appears? |
| 11:29.28 | simonlnu | tias |
| 11:29.34 | simonlnu | 'know' |
| 11:29.47 | G0d-servant | yes |
| 11:30.17 | simonlnu | !tias |
| 11:30.17 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 11:31.40 | lilith | Iḿ trying to use my local DNS server but my 3G service provider (to whom Iḿ connecting via wvdial) overrides /etc/resolv.conf. |
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| 11:32.21 | lilith | And when I write over /etc/resolv.conf to reflect my local server, my connection drops |
| 11:32.35 | lilith | Anyone been through this? |
| 11:33.00 | simonlnu | dhclient overwrites it. you can config it not to |
| 11:33.26 | trnzmeta | make it immutable |
| 11:33.32 | trnzmeta | chattr |
| 11:33.44 | lilith | I've routed things to go through polipo and that points to my local dns server but I'm not sure it's doing any good since it seems that my ISP doesn't play well |
| 11:34.03 | simonlnu | presumably wvdial does too |
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| 11:36.08 | lilith | make it immutable thanks I'll look into it. Normally (when going through ethernet) I don't worry about it as wicd has me spoiled. I do it the sme way but wicd doesn't see my 3G donggle |
| 11:36.13 | G0d-servant | ' APT::Archives::MaxSize "500" ' shows apt's cache allow use 500MB of disk? |
| 11:36.27 | jokar | o/ all |
| 11:36.42 | jokar | can i run debian package in ubuntu or linux mint? |
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| 11:38.44 | thewanderer1 | jokar, you should not... it might be possible, but it might just as well destroy the system |
| 11:38.59 | jokar | why? |
| 11:39.14 | jokar | ubuntu package is difference with debian? |
| 11:39.20 | thewanderer1 | jokar, yes |
| 11:39.36 | namelessdog | i thought it is the same |
| 11:39.44 | namelessdog | what's the difference? |
| 11:39.58 | thewanderer1 | namelessdog, the packaging format is the same, but paths, dependencies (with package names *and* versions) all differ |
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| 11:40.12 | jokar | thanks |
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| 11:40.33 | namelessdog | thewanderer1: i see. thank you for the information |
| 11:40.52 | namelessdog | where can i find information about what paths are different? |
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| 11:41.19 | thewanderer1 | namelessdog, you can set up an Ubuntu system and compare different packages, for example (debootstrap can make an Ubuntu chroot) |
| 11:41.21 | jokar | thewanderer1:animation software like maya is exist for linux? |
| 11:41.30 | thewanderer1 | jokar, see Blender for 3D modelling |
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| 11:41.45 | jokar | yes i know blender |
| 11:41.52 | jokar | but maya is powerful |
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| 11:42.08 | thewanderer1 | jokar, Blender has all features of Maya, although it might be harder to use |
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| 11:42.37 | thewanderer1 | jokar, you can either learn to use Blender or try running Windows programs using Wine |
| 11:42.55 | jokar | but wine nor work correctly with maya |
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| 11:43.39 | jokar | thewanderer1:do you work with vmware workstation on linux? |
| 11:43.49 | thewanderer1 | jokar, no |
| 11:44.12 | jokar | i install it but when i run it,show me error about installing some feauture |
| 11:44.35 | thewanderer1 | jokar, VMware is not supported on Debian, it's proprietary software |
| 11:44.51 | thewanderer1 | jokar, you could check VirtualBox - it claims to have 3D support and you can run Windows inside too |
| 11:45.07 | jokar | yes i work with vbox too |
| 11:45.16 | thewanderer1 | jokar, or simply keep a real Windows install somewhere at hand if you need to run Windows programs |
| 11:45.30 | jokar | no i hate it |
| 11:45.38 | jokar | i download vmware for linux |
| 11:46.06 | G0d-servant | "APT::Cache-Limit" work with MB or KB? |
| 11:46.17 | simonlnu | kb |
| 11:46.21 | thewanderer1 | jokar, I have never worked with VMware so I can't help here |
| 11:46.27 | simonlnu | !dynamic mmap |
| 11:46.27 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get or aptitude? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Cache-Limit "12582912"; If that file doesn't exist, create it, or put the line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ If you still get the same error, increase the value. Alternatively, delete entries within /etc/apt/sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 11:46.29 | jokar | thanks |
| 11:47.13 | G0d-servant | i can use "APT::Cache-Limit 1000 MB" ? |
| 11:47.15 | simonlnu | looking at that, it looks like bytes... :P |
| 11:47.18 | themill | G0d-servant: what release of debian are you using? |
| 11:47.20 | simonlnu | no |
| 11:47.39 | G0d-servant | themill: squeeze. |
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| 11:48.00 | themill | G0d-servant: you shouldn't need that for squeeze. |
| 11:48.05 | themill | !show sources.list G0d-servant |
| 11:48.05 | dpkg | G0d-servant: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 11:51.02 | G0d-servant | I put source.list in pastebin. |
| 11:51.15 | themill | which one? |
| 11:51.21 | babilen | heh |
| 11:52.42 | G0d-servant | themill: http://paste.debian.net/125487/ |
| 11:52.57 | Acony | how I can see which debian version is installed on system ? |
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| 11:53.05 | babilen | !tell Acony -about version |
| 11:53.12 | themill | G0d-servant: there's certainly no need to be fiddling with apt settings for that |
| 11:53.42 | babilen | G0d-servant: What is the actual error you are trying to fix? |
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| 11:54.19 | Acony | babilen, http://pastie.org/2338906 |
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| 11:54.33 | Acony | Debian 4.3.4-6 stands for ? |
| 11:54.57 | simonlnu | what? |
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| 11:55.17 | G0d-servant | my problem is that automatically remove downloaded packages. i want keep theme and with "Aptoncd" create archive. |
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| 11:55.47 | jelly | Acony: the build of the compiler used |
| 11:55.49 | babilen | Acony: That is the version of the compiler that was used to compile the kernel. You are most likely using squeeze -- What does "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 11:55.49 | simonlnu | ...theme? |
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| 11:56.02 | themill | G0d-servant: that has nothing to do with dynamic mmap settings |
| 11:56.18 | Acony | aleksandar@acony:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:56.18 | Acony | squeeze/sid |
| 11:56.24 | Lahnosh | Returning from suspension the computer boots but does not ignite the monitor, which is it? |
| 11:56.49 | thewanderer1 | Lahnosh, does it respond to ping? |
| 11:56.57 | themill | Acony: you have an out of date version of squeeze. What's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt perl" and what are the contents of your sources.list? |
| 11:56.58 | CableNinja | hey all, I'm trying to get vbox to install, I'm using the repo from virtualbox.org for squeeze, I've got 4.1 installed, and 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem. I cant get vbox to start, it says I need to /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup, when I do that it cant find the headers for my kernel even though they are installed. suggestions? |
| 11:57.04 | babilen | Acony: Uuuh, bad. Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" as well as "apt-cache policy" please? |
| 11:57.31 | babilen | Acony: yeah, use themill's dpkg -l command in lieu of mine |
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| 11:58.02 | babilen | Acony: argh, no dpkg -l there. just paste whatever information you get :) |
| 11:58.02 | G0d-servant | themill:: what do i do for keeping downloaded package? what those remove? |
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| 11:58.49 | babilen | CableNinja: You might want to ask in #virtualbox or use Debian's packages. |
| 11:59.00 | CableNinja | .-. |
| 11:59.29 | babilen | CableNinja: Are you sure that you have the headers installed? Which header package do their packages want? |
| 11:59.32 | themill | G0d-servant: I've never observed apt removing them by default. Unless you have something like "unattended-upgrades" installed which I believe might do something like that. |
| 11:59.45 | Acony | themill, babilen -> http://pastie.org/2338915, sources -> http://pastie.org/2338917 |
| 11:59.51 | jelly | CableNinja: if linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem is installed, and uname -r shows 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem, you ought to be set |
| 12:00.09 | jelly | CableNinja: you might have accidentally a different kernel |
| 12:00.09 | CableNinja | Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem cannot be found at |
| 12:00.09 | CableNinja | /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/build or /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/source. |
| 12:00.26 | CableNinja | $ uname -r -> 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
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| 12:00.34 | themill | CableNinja: vbox is in debian; "/msg dpkg bpo" to get vbox 4 and install the kernel headers package as suggested. |
| 12:00.43 | jelly | CableNinja: and dpkg -l linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem|tail -1 ? |
| 12:00.44 | CableNinja | ii linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem 2.6.32-35 Header files for Linux 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem |
| 12:00.58 | jelly | yeah, weird |
| 12:01.01 | CableNinja | indeed |
| 12:01.14 | CableNinja | I'm fighting with this on another kernel and distro for another piece of software too |
| 12:01.21 | jelly | never tried virtualbox-4.1 so I don't know what they might have changed |
| 12:01.33 | jelly | CableNinja: best to ask about it in #vbox |
| 12:01.39 | CableNinja | will do, thanks |
| 12:01.41 | thewanderer1 | CableNinja, now that you've established that there is a problem with the virtualbox.org repo, feel free to resort to backports :P |
| 12:01.42 | themill | CableNinja: is the kbuild package installed? |
| 12:01.57 | CableNinja | themill, no |
| 12:02.13 | CableNinja | installed them and still fails though |
| 12:02.31 | themill | Acony: change "testing" to "squeeze" in your sources.list then "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" and that should be fine. |
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| 12:02.47 | themill | CableNinja: how about trying the backports.org packages... we know they work ;) |
| 12:02.59 | Acony | themill, thanks for the advice |
| 12:03.12 | jelly | themill: we also know they don't have usb2 support |
| 12:03.18 | Lahnosh | thewanderer1: now I can not prove it, but apparently the computer boots up, while the monitor is off |
| 12:03.26 | themill | jelly: orly? |
| 12:03.34 | CableNinja | themill, if I get no resolution from vbox I will :) |
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| 12:03.52 | thewanderer1 | Lahnosh, check if: a) it responds to ping b) you can log in c) you can read and write files to/from the disk |
| 12:03.53 | G0d-servant | themill: Thanks for your help and other. |
| 12:04.11 | jelly | only in Innotek^WSun^WOracle build |
| 12:04.27 | CableNinja | one last odd question |
| 12:04.44 | CableNinja | what versions of iceweasel match to firefox versions? |
| 12:04.53 | CableNinja | Mozilla Iceweasel 3.5.16, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2010 mozilla.org |
| 12:04.56 | jelly | CableNinja: matching versions |
| 12:05.03 | CableNinja | so.... thats 3.5?!?!? |
| 12:05.06 | jelly | yes |
| 12:05.08 | CableNinja | wtmf |
| 12:05.12 | jelly | !iceweasel5 |
| 12:05.13 | dpkg | Backports of the Iceweasel web browser are not available from <debian backports>, as they have not yet made it to wheezy. See http://mozilla.debian.net/ for Iceweasel 5.0 for squeeze, wheezy or sid. |
| 12:05.14 | themill | dpkg: tell CableNinja about mozilla.debian.net |
| 12:05.26 | jelly | first! |
| 12:05.32 | CableNinja | I'd rather use firefox strictly anyway :) |
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| 12:06.33 | babilen | CableNinja: A thing you probably don't consider is that you also get nice new cairo packages from http://mozilla.debian.net -- but pray continue. What is wrong with Debian's backports if I may ask? |
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| 12:07.37 | CableNinja | babilen, nothing, I used them often in my last install |
| 12:07.59 | babilen | So why don't you use them for iceweasel as well? |
| 12:08.57 | CableNinja | I'd rather have firefox than iceweasel |
| 12:09.11 | CableNinja | I know its 'the same thing' |
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| 12:10.59 | babilen | I don't understand that reasoning. Is there anything wrong with the Debian packages? Or do you just dislike Debian's branding? |
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| 12:11.09 | CableNinja | branding |
| 12:11.15 | CableNinja | rebranding is weird to me thats all |
| 12:11.23 | themill | you need more important things in your life to worry about |
| 12:11.25 | Lahnosh | thewanderer1: No, the problem is, the monitor no have signal, I can not see anything but the computer is on, only occurs when returning from suspend / hibernate |
| 12:11.26 | namelessdog | i am not sure, but i think some menues, buttons etc. are on another position in iceweasel/firefox? i think that kind of confused me when i switched. but like i said..i am not sure anymore.. |
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| 12:12.18 | thewanderer1 | Lahnosh, that's why I am asking you to verify whether other components of the computer work |
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| 12:14.33 | namelessdog | can someone tell me how i can find a company that works with/for open source |
| 12:14.44 | namelessdog | in my region ;) |
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| 12:16.24 | petemc | namelessdog: google |
| 12:16.44 | Lahnosh | thewanderer1: ok I'll prove |
| 12:16.50 | namelessdog | petemc: well i tried that :) |
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| 12:17.25 | thewanderer1 | namelessdog, I'll have a directory of Linux-centered businesses set up shortly, but you picked the wrong time to ask :P |
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| 12:18.00 | dokma | anyone knows what would be a good place to ask about GNUPanel (OS alternative to CPanel) |
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| 12:18.27 | dokma | it's available as a package on Debian and now I need to solve the problem of transferring some 50 sites from CPanel to GNUPanel |
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| 12:19.37 | namelessdog | thewanderer1: i assume you are here regularly? if yes i will ask you again in some time :) when would be a better time? |
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| 12:21.16 | genieliu | Can someone tell me how to burn an audio cd using basero? |
| 12:21.32 | thewanderer1 | namelessdog, around September should be fine, I should have finished coding by then |
| 12:21.35 | eshat | Is debootstrap still actual, if I want to install debian to an USB stick ? |
| 12:21.52 | thewanderer1 | eshat, you can use debootstrap, although d-i actually supports USB sticks |
| 12:22.22 | genieliu | I use basero to creat bin and cue file, but it is much large than mine input files. Is it normal? |
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| 12:22.30 | eshat | thewanderer1: guess that is better,... thanks |
| 12:22.58 | thewanderer1 | eshat, I'd recommend removing all disks from the machine beforehand, GRUB likes to invade all your media :) |
| 12:23.15 | iceroot | genieliu: what does "much" mean? |
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| 12:23.33 | namelessdog | thewanderer1: alright :) |
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| 12:24.09 | genieliu | iceroot: The bin file is about 600M large, is it normal? |
| 12:24.11 | eshat | Is ext2 recommended for USB sticks ? |
| 12:24.30 | genieliu | iceroot: My input file is only about 100M |
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| 12:24.37 | Lahnosh | thewanderer1: ok, ping retunrs icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable |
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| 12:25.08 | thewanderer1 | Lahnosh, so nothing appears to be working... your PC does not wake up from suspend |
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| 12:25.24 | iceroot | genieliu: hm strange, never saw big differences like that |
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| 12:26.13 | genieliu | iceroot: Maybe I should check how to burn a cd in the wiki.Anyway, thx. |
| 12:26.58 | Lahnosh | thewanderer1: any solution? |
| 12:27.41 | thewanderer1 | Lahnosh, no idea, you'll need to provide more information in this channel or search the Web yourself |
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| 12:29.21 | namelessdog | eshat: if you use fat32 every os can read it without having to install additional drivers |
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| 12:30.08 | caravel | Hello. On a remote squeeze, I've renamed all LVs (all part of a LUKS VG), including the one hosting / -- then, I've updated fstab and rebooted (I use early-ssh on this setup, without any issue normally). But now, I can still unlock the VG under busybox, but the boot process seems to fail afterwards (no later ssh access). Should I have updated any other file ? :/ |
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| 12:34.04 | kuznetzvo | maybe df -kh to verify you didn't fat finger something in fstab? |
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| 12:34.54 | Ragnar | is installing ntpdate on debian enough? |
| 12:35.14 | Ragnar | or should I setup a cronjob every night that runs ntpdate -s |
| 12:35.15 | Ragnar | ? |
| 12:35.30 | thewanderer1 | Ragnar, install ntp instead |
| 12:35.42 | Ragnar | uh |
| 12:35.50 | Ragnar | why? |
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| 12:36.10 | thewanderer1 | cause it supposedly handles clock skew in a better way |
| 12:36.52 | Ragnar | ok |
| 12:37.01 | Ragnar | but will I want to use a cron aswell? |
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| 12:37.27 | thewanderer1 | Ragnar, with ntp, no, it's a daemon |
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| 12:38.47 | Ragnar | ok |
| 12:38.52 | Ragnar | then I should be good to go. |
| 12:38.57 | Ragnar | installed ntp |
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| 12:40.08 | Ragnar | thanks. |
| 12:41.23 | jargon- | where do i find the multimedia codecs page for wheezy? this one's just for lenny and squeeze http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
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| 12:44.15 | mastro | Hi, I have some problem with a Debian... it seems there are issue with the disk... but I don't understand if there are hardware issues or software issues: here a snip from dmesg http://pastebin.com/3VtddZJC |
| 12:45.23 | mastro | Googling I found out some post in the kernel mailing list about kernel bug, but the kernel I have (2.6.32-5-amd64) is from 2011, the mailing list discussion from 2008 |
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| 12:48.07 | thewanderer1 | mastro, check the disk with smartctl and see if it's still good |
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| 12:48.15 | mastro | by the way this is the kernel discussion I'm talking about: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2008/9/22/3366674 |
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| 12:48.36 | mastro | thewanderer1, just executing smartctl is enough or do you advice some option? |
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| 12:48.51 | thewanderer1 | mastro, smartctl -a /dev/yourdisk |
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| 12:52.04 | mastro | thewanderer1, don't see anything special.. just a raw value of 1 in UDMA_CRC_Error_Count |
| 12:52.15 | mastro | thewanderer1, and it say No self-tests have been logged. [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t] |
| 12:52.24 | mastro | thewanderer1, and Warning! SMART Selective Self-Test Log Structure error: invalid SMART checksum. |
| 12:52.48 | thewanderer1 | master_of_master, and the overall health check shows what result? |
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| 12:53.03 | thewanderer1 | mastro, that was to you, sorry |
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| 12:53.13 | mastro | thewanderer1, no prob :) |
| 12:53.43 | mastro | thewanderer1, SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED |
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| 12:54.01 | mastro | thewanderer1, it's a debian stable |
| 12:54.33 | thewanderer1 | mastro, schedule a SMART test |
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| 13:00.41 | jokar | o/ all |
| 13:00.50 | jokar | how install patch file in linux? |
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| 13:01.43 | themill | !wayttd jokar |
| 13:01.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jokar? |
| 13:02.02 | jokar | i want install kernel patch |
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| 13:02.42 | jokar | o/ dpkg:or another patch like Vmware |
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| 13:03.19 | bluesky | Hi There |
| 13:03.34 | themill | jokar: you don't "install" a patch. And recompiling the kernel isn't really something you want to be undertaking with your level of ... um... inexperience. |
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| 13:04.09 | jokar | level? |
| 13:04.13 | jafar | he guys |
| 13:04.42 | jafar | i broke the rights of all my home dirs :D |
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| 13:05.15 | jafar | trying to restore by doing: chmod 770 -R /home |
| 13:05.23 | jafar | users still have no rights in home dir... |
| 13:05.28 | jafar | any ideas? |
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| 13:06.26 | bluesky | Pardon me for posting in Debian chat. I have a question on rc.shutdown scripting in OpenBSD |
| 13:06.55 | th0r | jafar: I think the command should be chmod -R 770 /home, but I don't know if that will solve the problem |
| 13:07.17 | thewanderer1 | bluesky: did #openbsd not help? |
| 13:07.32 | jafar | th0r: it works either way |
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| 13:07.46 | thewanderer1 | jafar: owner, not mode... |
| 13:07.55 | debuggerboy | < jokar> pls read http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/tuning/kernelpatch.shtml |
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| 13:08.47 | debuggerboy | < jokar> build or break ur system at your risk... njoy!! |
| 13:09.01 | jokar | ;) |
| 13:09.16 | bluesky | thewanderer1, #openbsd is a subscription channel, I cannot post there. |
| 13:09.44 | jafar | ls -la /home shows that each user X belonging to Group X has permissions 770 on their home dir |
| 13:09.49 | jafar | home dir belongs to X:X |
| 13:10.00 | petemc | bluesky: probably just need to register your nick on this network |
| 13:10.00 | jafar | still "permission denied" :( |
| 13:10.03 | thewanderer1 | bluesky: you need to register with NickServ |
| 13:10.28 | th0r | jafar: just so you know, the default on my squeeze install is 755 |
| 13:10.32 | Sean-Der | I know this is technically a Apache question, but it relates to config style on Debian. So I wanted to enable UserDir mod in Apache2. I copied userdir* to mods-enabled. Now I am getting a 403? I chmod 711 my ~ directory |
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| 13:10.55 | Sean-Der | It is a permission error of sort, but I don't know if it is my config files OR my home directory |
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| 13:11.18 | thewanderer1 | Sean-Der: does public_html allow reading and execution (5) by www-data? |
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| 13:12.39 | Sean-Der | www-data the group? |
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| 13:13.27 | thewanderer1 | Sean-Der: or the user |
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| 13:14.37 | Sean-Der | Can you show me the correct syntax of the chmod, I think I am doing it wrong |
| 13:14.55 | jokar | bye all |
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| 13:16.49 | debuggerboy | < jokar> is ready for building kernel... I say the only way u learn is by breaking it... |
| 13:17.12 | debuggerboy | :P |
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| 13:18.42 | Sean-Der | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.01 | Sean-Der | It works I was not setting the user/group correctly so just did all |
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| 13:21.28 | mastro | thewanderer1, I lost the connection if you replied I did not see |
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| 13:21.38 | asdjaputra | hello people |
| 13:21.56 | asdjaputra | can somebody help me to add an input-wacom driver |
| 13:22.24 | asdjaputra | bamboo wacom pen and touch, so it is recognized by the computer |
| 13:22.28 | bluesky | thewanderer1, Thanks I am now registered. |
| 13:22.43 | petemc | np |
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| 13:23.42 | thewanderer1 | mastro, schedule a SMART test |
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| 13:26.08 | mastro | thewanderer1, I think I did.. with --test=long |
| 13:26.32 | thewanderer1 | mastro: has it completed yet? |
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| 13:28.11 | mastro | thewanderer1, not yet |
| 13:28.52 | thewanderer1 | mastro: wait till it completes and you'll know if this is a disk failure |
| 13:29.58 | mastro | thewanderer1, what if it isn't? |
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| 13:32.18 | trnzmeta | nite all |
| 13:32.31 | thewanderer1 | mastro: then you can look for clues at different layers |
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| 13:32.46 | Sean-Der | Is there anything special that I need to do for PHP and UserDirs? I know PHP works I did a phpinfo(); in /var/www/html but when I have it in my users ~public_html it my browser trys to save it as phtml |
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| 13:33.00 | themill | !php userdir |
| 13:33.00 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, mod_php is disabled in <userdir> (public_html). See /usr/share/doc/php5-common/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 13:35.05 | Sean-Der | thank you themill! I corrected my php5.conf |
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| 13:40.26 | thewanderer1 | themill: any link to what "security reasons" led to that decision? |
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| 13:41.25 | caravel | kuznetzvo: thanks for your answer, just seen it -- was on another screen, I'm used to other channels where people would quote the user they reply too :) |
| 13:41.26 | themill | thewanderer1: at a guess, because you're giving the ability to run arbitrary code on a machine as another user just because you happened to install php and apache in their default configurations. |
| 13:42.25 | thewanderer1 | themill: ah, might be |
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| 13:44.00 | caravel | kuznetzvo: I'm pretty confident about how I edited fstab (hope I'm not wrong !). I don't really know how I can diagnose now, all I have is busybox ^^ (I can get the server to be restarted as much as I want, but I won't be physically in front of the server, to eg chroot it, before a couple of weeks from now) |
| 13:44.22 | caravel | for everybody : |
| 13:44.28 | caravel | On a remote squeeze, I've renamed all LVs (all part of a LUKS VG), including the one hosting / -- then, I've updated fstab and rebooted (I use early-ssh on this setup, without any issue normally). But now, I can still unlock the VG under busybox, but the boot process seems to fail afterwards (no later ssh access). Should I have updated any other file ? :/ |
| 13:46.17 | kuznetzvo | what about grub conf |
| 13:49.29 | chipnt | my server is curently under syn flood, could anyone give me some advices of what should i do ? |
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| 13:49.54 | goodman | man page |
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| 13:52.44 | mads- | can I ask my computer "Which ports are you listening with right now?" |
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| 13:53.09 | petemc | mads-: netstat -puant |
| 13:53.10 | CybDev | no, but you can look at netstat |
| 13:53.24 | goodman | and man page |
| 13:53.34 | themill | goodman: can we help? |
| 13:53.51 | goodman | man page.. |
| 13:53.52 | tvm | chipnt: google something like 'iptables limit syn' |
| 13:53.54 | mads- | thanks |
| 13:54.19 | themill | goodman: yes,... you've said that 6 times in the last few days now. Anything else to add? |
| 13:54.30 | goodman | oh..... i am sorry. |
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| 13:56.44 | goodman | themill, are u hacker? |
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| 13:56.51 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 13:58.16 | goodman | themill, how can i see man pages??? |
| 13:58.32 | Sean-Der | Where can I find documentation for gvfs and gvfs-open? I would like to change the applications that it uses firefox -> thunar for FTP |
| 13:58.46 | babilen | goodman: Read "man man" |
| 13:58.53 | themill | goodman: "man man" will give you general information. "apropos something" will search for man pages relating to "something". |
| 13:59.09 | goodman | oh ... thanks :):):) |
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| 14:00.58 | caravel | kuznetzvo: right -- I guess I'm an idiot indeed (grub.conf) hopefully that should be fixable iver busybox, right ? |
| 14:01.40 | caravel | wasn't awake this morning ^^ |
| 14:01.48 | caravel | s/iver/over |
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| 14:02.28 | Strife89 | Is there a quick way for me to "reset" the location of the swap partition |
| 14:02.30 | Strife89 | ? |
| 14:02.41 | wols_ | Strife89: you edit your /etc/fstab |
| 14:02.51 | wols_ | or what do you mean with resetting the location? |
| 14:02.53 | ironm | hello. Please allow me one question. What is best method to make a copy (backup or fresh snapshot) of an LV volume? ... like: ACTIVE '/dev/VolGrpXen/LogVolXen1' [40.62 GB] inherit |
| 14:03.04 | goodman | themill, why can't i use I/O redirection on 'telnet' program?? |
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| 14:03.51 | caravel | Strife89: your swap is just a partition that is assigned to swap in fstab file. See swapon/swapoff commands and man fstab |
| 14:04.15 | Strife89 | wols_: Well, I recently obtained a bigger HDD and cloned my old one to it, then used gedit on a Live CD to resize the ext3 partition -- which required nuking the swap first. I then recreated the swap file in the same way that it existed on my old disk -- or, I thought I did. |
| 14:04.22 | Strife89 | Debian doesn't seem to see it. |
| 14:04.31 | kuznetzvo | you could try mounting the bugger in busybox, chroot, then nano or vi the grub conf |
| 14:04.38 | wols_ | Strife89: you have a swap partition, right? |
| 14:04.44 | Strife89 | wols_: Yes |
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| 14:05.12 | Strife89 | ... ohhhhhhh, I bet the UUID is no longer correct. |
| 14:05.12 | caravel | kuznetzvo: yeah, I'm gonna investigate busybox capabilities range offering :) never did before |
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| 14:05.34 | kuznetzvo | you should be able to mount it then chroot as needed, which will then give you access to nano/vi/whatever u prefer |
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| 14:05.35 | caravel | kuznetzvo: thanks anyway for the pointer, one of these "too simple" ones ^^ |
| 14:05.41 | wols_ | Strife89: have you run mkswap on that new partition? |
| 14:05.57 | Strife89 | wols_: I don't believe so |
| 14:06.06 | boudiccas | in mutt, under squeeze, i have just deleted an email from logwatch, is there anyway of getting it back please? |
| 14:06.10 | Strife89 | mkswap /dev/sda5 ? |
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| 14:06.13 | wols_ | caravel: and when you have your chroot, you simply run "update-grub" and you got a new and all shiny grub.conf |
| 14:06.27 | wols_ | Strife89: if /dev/sda5 is your swap partition, yes |
| 14:06.41 | Strife89 | Which it is. |
| 14:06.47 | caravel | wols_: indeed (yes I know this -- just that I only chrooted from another full distrib before, or from a livecd) |
| 14:07.13 | caravel | thanks folks, appreciating -- I'll be back here if I'm stuck |
| 14:07.37 | wols_ | boudiccas: imap? |
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| 14:08.04 | Strife89 | wols_: Yep, the UUID on the new swap is completely different, and fstab only IDs my partitions with that UUID |
| 14:08.42 | wols_ | Strife89: if your don't run mkswap it won't get used as swap either btw |
| 14:08.51 | Strife89 | That too. |
| 14:09.12 | boudiccas | wols_; i havent got imap on my system and neither can i install it, any clues please? |
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| 14:09.35 | Strife89 | wols_: Is there any way to force Debian to use the change without logging out or rebooting? |
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| 14:09.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | is it normal for sdl applications to block alt+tab in fullscreen mode? |
| 14:10.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | I think I was able to alt+tab out of openarena in debian lenny, but nowdays it doesn't work |
| 14:10.15 | atomicblast | Hi |
| 14:10.18 | atomicblast | What could be the reason that vpn IP is refusing every connection? I didn't set any iptables and I already set the routing. The IP is responding on ping'. |
| 14:11.19 | Strife89 | wols_: ... Actually, nevermind about avoiding a reboot. Thanks for the help! :) |
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| 14:11.51 | wols_ | Strife89: swapon does it |
| 14:11.51 | caravel | woaf, I get /dev/sda, sda1 & 2, but mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot (which I just created in busybox) returns "mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /mnt/boot failed: No such file or directory" |
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| 14:12.27 | wols_ | caravel: sda2 is your / partition? |
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| 14:12.43 | Strife89 | wols_: Ah, nice. Thanks. :) |
| 14:13.05 | caravel | wols_: sda2 is my luks vg which contains / and others -- boot part is on sda1 of course |
| 14:13.21 | caravel | wols_: I thought I'd start looking at the boot part |
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| 14:13.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | atomicblast: I'd guess your access policies are set to deny all connections |
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| 14:14.56 | atomicblast | KaffeeJunky123: the thing is that I never set any |
| 14:15.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | atomicblast: consult the manual pages on hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
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| 14:15.29 | atomicblast | and when I accidentaly run the default run to this vpn it was responding to every connection I made |
| 14:15.29 | boudiccas | wols_; i havent got imap on my system and neither can i install it, any clues please? |
| 14:15.40 | atomicblast | including ssh/squid and other stuff which is running |
| 14:15.47 | atomicblast | s/is/was/ |
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| 14:19.12 | goodman | themill, you are really unkind (wo)man. |
| 14:19.32 | themill | ? |
| 14:19.50 | caravel | could mount by simply specifying -t |
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| 14:19.54 | goodman | wow.. reallly... ... ... |
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| 14:22.41 | smalter | Hello everyone, I have a question regarding DNS. It is the good place? |
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| 14:25.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | atomicblast: well, I've no idea in that case |
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| 14:26.38 | boudiccas | wols_; i havent got imap on my system and neither can i install it, any clues please? |
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| 14:29.35 | goodman | themill, where r u from? |
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| 14:30.00 | Guest76054 | hi all, i am finding the preseed documentation and configuration file to be extremely hard to follow. after dumping the configuration after a clean install to preseed.cfg text file, it's just a huge mess that is virtually impossible to read / edit. is there a better way to do this? |
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| 14:30.48 | babilen | goodman: Is there something we can help you with? This is not a social chat channel, but one for technical support. |
| 14:31.05 | mrintegrity | sorry, that question again but from me this time :) |
| 14:31.31 | goodman | sorry... babilen. |
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| 14:31.55 | mi-black | Re-hello =p |
| 14:32.04 | goodman | babilen, i really wonder why i can't use I/O redirection of the shell on 'telnet' program?? |
| 14:32.04 | Devastator-work | i've removed samba with dpkg -P samba, then deleted all remaining samba files and dirs with rm, now i do aptitude install samba and it fails to start nmbd during "configuring samba", i guess i'm dumb or stupid.. |
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| 14:32.44 | babilen | goodman: Because that is an incredibly bad idea -- What are you trying to do? |
| 14:33.49 | blackshirt | hello, what better for debian, lxc or openvz ?? |
| 14:34.20 | Devastator-work | i guess i broke my samba :/ |
| 14:34.32 | boudiccas | blackshirt; define /better/? |
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| 14:34.52 | petemc | Devastator-work: you're probably missing files /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 14:35.25 | blackshirt | boudiccas : i think i need stability, security, and great performance and maybe support from community |
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| 14:35.58 | atomicblast | KaffeeJunky123: I think it might be routing issue |
| 14:36.18 | atomicblast | But I'm not a mastermind in routing subject |
| 14:36.28 | blackshirt | Devastator-work: what exactly your problem ? |
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| 14:36.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | atomicblast: can you ping other hosts in your vpn? |
| 14:36.57 | Devastator-work | blackshirt i've removed samba with dpkg -P samba, then deleted all remaining samba files and dirs with rm, now i do aptitude install samba and it fails to start nmbd during "configuring samba", i guess i'm dumb or stupid.. |
| 14:37.07 | mi-black | So ... I want setup one live usb of Squeeze (I ask here because #debian-fr they seem to sleep ....) |
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| 14:37.09 | zulu7 | isn't there any decent SIP client (that does not depend on GNOME, KDE/qt libraries) ? |
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| 14:37.14 | goodman | um... I am trying to use free shell. that requires me to renew for 7 days to say !<id> on which specified channel on irc-server. so i am trying to use telnet and 'at' command for automatic renewal. i can do this with netcat but the server don't support it. i can use only telnet. perl didn't help.. anything not work. but telnet. |
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| 14:37.42 | atomicblast | KaffeeJunky123: it's more of a public vpn |
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| 14:38.37 | edbian | /home/<me>/bin is not my my $PATH is that normal? |
| 14:38.43 | atomicblast | atomicblast: and I don't know any other address' from vpn "pool" |
| 14:38.49 | atomicblast | KaffeeJunky123: ^ |
| 14:38.50 | atomicblast | ;P |
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| 14:39.14 | bernhard1 | is it possible to set up LVM for all partitions except for /boot ?? |
| 14:39.16 | petemc | edbian: yes |
| 14:39.42 | Devastator-work | petemc that didn't help |
| 14:39.43 | wols_ | edbian: .bash_profile:# PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}" for me |
| 14:39.55 | boudiccas | wols_; i havent got imap on my system and neither can i install it, any clues please? |
| 14:40.14 | edbian | wols_: petemc thanks, I just put things in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 14:40.16 | Devastator-work | petemc i tried the command dpkg bot gave me and it still fails |
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| 14:40.26 | wols_ | boudiccas: clues for what? i asked if you use imap, you don't so the possible solution when using imap doesn't apply to yo |
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| 14:41.16 | themill | Devastator-work: possibly the wrong package being reinstalled. dpkg -S /etc/samba may be of assistance. |
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| 14:41.28 | blackshirt | Devastator-work: is #dpkg --configure -a works for you ? |
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| 14:41.57 | babilen | goodman: What about ssh? |
| 14:42.16 | wols_ | Devastator-work: samba-common |
| 14:43.18 | Sevet | what's the best way to submit a patch that upgrades a package to a new upstream version? through the bug tracker? |
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| 14:44.04 | Devastator-work | themill with this command it returned "samba-common: /etc/samba" |
| 14:44.31 | Devastator-work | blackshirt didn't work |
| 14:44.58 | Devastator-work | wols_ you mean aptitude install samba-common? |
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| 14:45.11 | goodman | Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal <= error... |
| 14:45.14 | themill | Devastator-work: yeah, so samba-common is another package that you need to reinstall with confmiss. |
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| 14:45.59 | wols_ | Devastator-work: I mean most likely you deleted config files for samba common which now bites your posterior. also: !errors |
| 14:46.04 | blackshirt | Devastator-work: what about #apt-get --purge autoremove |
| 14:46.20 | Devastator-work | themill i did something wrong by issuing dpkg -P samba, right? |
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| 14:46.27 | Devastator-work | !errors |
| 14:46.27 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 14:46.57 | Sean-Der | What is the best way to go around getting a webcam to work? Using lsusb I was able to get an ID dead end there and looking by laptop model turns nothing up |
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| 14:46.58 | themill | Devastator-work: not necessarily. it just didn't do what you really wanted |
| 14:47.47 | goodman | bablien, thanks for your answering to my question.. I am trying to find another way.. thx. I have to go... |
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| 14:48.22 | Gen_Patton | I can't sseem to get x to render to 1360X768 which is the native resolution of my n32'' dynex Flatpanel tv a currently use asa computer monitor |
| 14:48.30 | Devastator-work | let me see if i can remove samba-common and then reinstall |
| 14:48.37 | mi-black | On question please , i can overwrite Ubuntu by Debian directly ? |
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| 14:49.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | mi-black: what do you mean by 'overwrite'? |
| 14:49.22 | boudiccas | mi-black; you'd be better off doing a backup and then a fresh install |
| 14:49.22 | iceroot | mi-black: at the installation with reformating |
| 14:49.28 | Sean-Der | Gen_Patton: Check out arandr if you are using X |
| 14:49.33 | Devastator-work | dpkg -P samba = big mistake |
| 14:49.33 | dpkg | Devastator-work: are you using Windows? |
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| 14:50.05 | Gen_Patton | Sean-Der: Is that xrandr? |
| 14:50.09 | iceroot | Devastator-work: if you want to purge samba (as the manpage says) its not a problem |
| 14:50.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | dpkg: bots should ask questions and pretend to be human |
| 14:50.10 | wols_ | Devastator-work: no it's fine. rm <random config file> is a big mistake |
| 14:50.10 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, KaffeeJunky123 |
| 14:50.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | *shouldn'T |
| 14:50.41 | Sean-Der | Gen_Patton: Yes it is a frontend are you having driver issues or trouble configuring it? |
| 14:51.01 | mi-black | I can't delete my windows neither (too many files important) |
| 14:51.23 | mi-black | because , i am in dualboot :x windows/ubuntu |
| 14:51.41 | Devastator-work | wols_ got it, never again :) |
| 14:51.48 | Gen_Patton | Sean-Der: A little of both |
| 14:52.26 | Sean-Der | Gen_Patton: I would check out arandr I use it in XFCE and it is awesome! Sorry I can't be more help I recently really fought with this issue and that was my solution |
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| 14:52.32 | mi-black | and I wanted windows/debian , by relocating over ubuntu |
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| 14:53.19 | Sean-Der | mi-black: You can 'overwrite' your / (root) partition and leave your /home (home) if that is what you are looking for? |
| 14:53.27 | wols_ | Gen_Patton: what video driver do you use? |
| 14:54.00 | caravel | So -- I've mounted all volumes as follow http://pastebin.com/Qq7mNPXi which is pretty much what is described here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto But, when I `chroot /mnt` things don't go as expected (shell not fully loaded apparently, `/usr/sbin/update-grub2` returns "exec: 3: update-grub: not found") |
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| 14:54.09 | mi-black | Hum if i delete my home isn't a problem |
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| 14:55.01 | Sean-Der | mi-black: If you follow Debian installer you will have no issue. It will install a WM and common utilities. Make sure to have all non-free drivers ready if you need them during/ right after install |
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| 14:55.20 | bernhard1 | is it possible to set up LVM for all partitions except for /boot ?? |
| 14:55.24 | wols_ | caravel: ls /mnt/sbin/update-grub ? |
| 14:55.31 | mi-black | (WM is ?) |
| 14:55.35 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.38 | Sean-Der | Window Manager |
| 14:55.38 | norc | What's the proper way of setting a default kernel for grub? I'm asking because GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub is a rather magic number, that may or may not refer to the same kernel after apt workings |
| 14:55.40 | lotus-blade | is there any way to config x to run 2 minitors with an ati and an nvidia card? |
| 14:56.12 | wols_ | lotus-blade: yes, but you will have to write your own X config |
| 14:56.17 | Sean-Der | Xinerama? |
| 14:56.22 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: did you quit mutt? |
| 14:56.31 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; yes |
| 14:56.56 | norc | (I need reliability. If for some reason this server reboots, it must load the kernel I want, and not default back to another one) |
| 14:56.56 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: oh. grep over your partition in hope to find something. |
| 14:56.56 | wols_ | norc: it's the only way apart from booting the kernel you booted last. those are the only choices afaik |
| 14:56.57 | Gen_Patton | hoe eo i force a esolution of 1360X768 via usring xrandr |
| 14:57.06 | mi-black | (I have the version , with drivers for my config |
| 14:57.09 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: actually, grep sucks for searching filesystems |
| 14:57.12 | Devastator-work | now i'm getting: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/samba/smb.conf, then chmod: cannot access /etc/samba/smb.conf: File not found. The line i'm using is: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' install samba-common |
| 14:57.14 | caravel | wols_: yes, there are here (but in /mnt/usr/sbin/update-grub* from outside the chroot) |
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| 14:57.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: did you install the v4l-utils? |
| 14:57.35 | norc | wols_: I highly doubt that. That would make it impossible to set up a static kernel that would remain the same after apt messes around with the kernel images. |
| 14:57.44 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: if the message was really important, I can send you a simple C program I wrote for grepping the disk in search for lost files |
| 14:57.45 | Gen_Patton | how do i force a esolution of 1360X768 via usring xrandr? |
| 14:57.59 | wols_ | Gen_Patton: what videocard driver do you use? |
| 14:58.07 | Gen_Patton | nv |
| 14:58.07 | norc | wols_: I've been looking into /etc/grub.d/ - but 40_custom is rather unclear on how to use. If I could somehow force an entry in 40_custom to be at the top, then that'd be fine with me. |
| 14:58.16 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; its not really important thanks, just an irritation that i've deleted it |
| 14:58.29 | themill | dpkg: tell Devastator-work about ucf confmiss |
| 14:58.44 | Gen_Patton | woios is use the pop nvifdia driver |
| 14:58.59 | themill | Devastator-work: samba-common actually uses ucf for configuration file management. Slightly different procedure required as a result. |
| 14:59.15 | wols_ | Gen_Patton: then xrandr doesn't work. nvidia doesn't support xrandr extension. use nvidia-settings |
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| 14:59.56 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: see libtrash, you might want to preload that for mutt |
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| 15:00.58 | Devastator-work | themill thanks, is there a way to know which packages uses ucf or other? |
| 15:01.00 | Sean-Der | KaffeeJunky123: That was my problem that and a modprobe and my webcam is working :D |
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| 15:01.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: have fun then |
| 15:01.49 | Sean-Der | Does Pidgn support Skype in a full featured manner or is it better to use their client? |
| 15:01.58 | Sean-Der | I have never used either |
| 15:01.59 | themill | Devastator-work: packages that use ucf depend on that package (there aren't many of them); apt-cache show packagename | grep Depends (or grep ucf, I guess...) |
| 15:02.10 | Gen_Patton | How do i remove the prop nvidia driver |
| 15:02.17 | Devastator-work | thanks again themill |
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| 15:02.27 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; i've just installed libtrash, presumably it wont work on a previous deletion before it was installed? |
| 15:02.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: pidgin-skype just integrates skypes buddy list with pidgin |
| 15:02.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: You still need to have skype running |
| 15:02.54 | daniel-s | hi |
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| 15:03.18 | Sean-Der | KaffeJunky123: Ouch, well Skype-Official it is! |
| 15:03.25 | daniel-s | I try to install iceweasel 6 from mozilla.debian.org: it tells me it has unmet dependencies: xulrunner |
| 15:03.29 | sarguru | I need a help with debian conventions for s390 |
| 15:03.30 | sarguru | ? |
| 15:03.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: Also if you're using stable, it won't work with the current skype client |
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| 15:03.56 | Sean-Der | I am using sid ATM |
| 15:04.03 | sarguru | I want to make dasds online automatically at boot everytime |
| 15:04.12 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: correct :P |
| 15:04.16 | Sean-Der | sarguru: GDM Autologin |
| 15:04.24 | darkskiez | I've got a problem with a package i've built, apt-cache policy lists the version field twice [identically] and apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade it to the same version was what is installed.. how can i debug why it thinks they are different |
| 15:04.42 | Sean-Der | KaffeJunky123: Is Skype working with Sid? |
| 15:04.43 | sarguru | sarguru, what is gdm autologin |
| 15:04.47 | Gen_Patton | ? |
| 15:04.49 | caravel | wols_: this is what mount returns (still outside of the chroot) http://pastebin.com/Rq15v0s1 Does it not look just fine ? |
| 15:04.53 | Gen_Patton | How do i remove the prop nvidia driver? |
| 15:04.56 | boudiccas | thewanderer1; bums! thanks anyway |
| 15:04.58 | Sean-Der | Are you using GDM as your login manager? |
| 15:05.09 | sarguru | Sean-Der, No |
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| 15:05.21 | sarguru | it is a server. No desktop environments |
| 15:05.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: Is anything working with Sid? |
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| 15:05.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: I don't know, I'm here in my secure squeeze boat and I'm feeling comfortable |
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| 15:06.11 | Sean-Der | sarguru: Sorry misread question don't have an answer |
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| 15:06.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: well infact I've mixed packages, but don't tell anyone ;) |
| 15:06.50 | envirocbr | Hey everyone, for NIC bonding using mode=3, I am not seeing Active/Active behavior on the switch side. Is this the design of (broadcast) mode? |
| 15:06.51 | Sean-Der | KaffeJunky123: I guess the only way to know is to give it a try! hahah You evil person I just can't live with FireFox 3.6 |
| 15:06.57 | Sean-Der | cringes |
| 15:07.02 | sarguru | I need to actually pass a parameter to a module at the boot time. Will creating a file in modprobe.conf work? |
| 15:07.13 | wols_ | caravel: it does |
| 15:07.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: I can't either, so I've FF5 installed to /opt |
| 15:07.40 | caravel | wols_: thanks :( |
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| 15:07.57 | wols_ | Gen_Patton: dpkg -l |grep nvidia remove those packages. if you have used the nvidia.com .run installer: not supported here |
| 15:08.14 | Sean-Der | KaffeJunky123: Is that package manager based? |
| 15:08.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: nope, but the built in updating facility works |
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| 15:09.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | Sean-Der: you need to give users appropriate access to the firefox directory though |
| 15:09.38 | Sean-Der | KaffenJunky123: That is a good point, I just hate cleaning cruft and apt does a great job handling all that. Sid has zero breakage for me as of yet |
| 15:09.41 | darkskiez | can anyone explain what my cause debian to think the version installed is different to version in repository - http://pastebin.com/7PxVsfUB |
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| 15:13.01 | caravel | wols_: I kinda regret grub1 |
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| 15:13.40 | Innocentus | Hi |
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| 15:13.48 | themill | darkskiez: apt looks at the md5sum of the package as well as the version string. |
| 15:13.50 | Innocentus | I want to install PHP 5.3.x on Debian Lenny? |
| 15:13.55 | Innocentus | How can I do this? |
| 15:13.57 | themill | !php paradox |
| 15:13.58 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it. |
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| 15:14.08 | themill | Innocentus: you could upgrade to squeeze. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 15:14.20 | wols_ | darkskiez: I see the same version for candidate and installed |
| 15:14.28 | Innocentus | themill: I can't because the vm-kernel is incompatible to squeeze |
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| 15:14.30 | wols_ | darkskiez: but I wear strong glasses too of course |
| 15:14.45 | themill | Innocentus: what are you running on? |
| 15:14.47 | mastro | thewanderer1, test finished... no errors |
| 15:14.50 | troutwine | With regard to pinning, is a priority of 100 higher than a priority of 1, or the other way round? |
| 15:15.09 | themill | Innocentus: (that sounds like a problem you need to fix very soon... you have ~6 months of lenny security support left) |
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| 15:15.21 | bernhard1 | On server install i got the option to install linux 2.63 or 2.63.2-5 i choose the last one, that is the latest version ? |
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| 15:15.24 | darkskiez | themill, will see if anything is off there.. |
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| 15:15.36 | thewanderer1 | mastro: great, so it must be your controller (nv/nforce chipset/whatever it's called)... you could try reporting a bug or resurrecting that old thread |
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| 15:16.02 | thewanderer1 | mastro: as always, do the necessary search first - your chipset as the keyword etc. |
| 15:16.10 | darkskiez | wols_, yes, same version installed and candidate, but it thinks they are different, thus its listed twice, see how the entry below differs - all sources list under same ver |
| 15:16.15 | mastro | thewanderer1, ok thank you |
| 15:16.31 | Sean-Der | Is there a better way to install local packages? I usually do a dpkg and then apt-get install -f to resolve dependices? |
| 15:16.38 | wols_ | darkskiez: no. it's always listed twice: it's installed (hence in status) and available in the repo. hence listed twice |
| 15:16.39 | Sean-Der | It works but it doesn't feel very elegant |
| 15:16.44 | themill | Sean-Der: that or use gdebi |
| 15:16.58 | thewanderer1 | Sean-Der: you could make your own repo |
| 15:17.29 | themill | wols_: multiple repos having the same version would normally be merged, see the entry below in that pastebin for dpkg. |
| 15:17.32 | darkskiez | wols_, yes, but under two different sections! see the lower output for policy dpkg which i'd expect |
| 15:17.39 | Sean-Der | I will look into Gdebi, I don't install local packages alot just one or two and it works I just feel like I am doing it wrong sometimes |
| 15:17.41 | Innocentus | themill: Linux [...] 2.6.20-xen-r6 #1 SMP Fri Feb 8 21:07:17 CET 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:17.53 | Innocentus | themill: can I install debian squeeze on this? |
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| 15:18.25 | troutwine | If I want to pin a package to install from squeeze-backports and I give it a priority of 2000 when I run 'aptitude upgrade' I am not prompted for any upgrade. Why? |
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| 15:18.35 | darkskiez | wols_, see how policy dpkg shows 3 entries under the one version ? but on mypackage it lists two versions that are the same. |
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| 15:18.53 | themill | Innocentus: I imagine so. there are plenty of people running squeeze atop RHEL 4 kernels although squeeze's udev is most unhappy about that. (lenny's udev works fine for me there though...) |
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| 15:19.37 | themill | Innocentus: backups are, of course, a good plan ;) |
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| 15:19.59 | Sean-Der | Wow I have to say I love Debian Sid coming from Arch. You guys are awesome asking in Arch I would just get ridiculed usually ended up not wanting to try new things |
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| 15:20.35 | troutwine | I've read all the manpages, but I'm still confused as to the behavior I'm seeing. Anyone? |
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| 15:20.37 | Gen_Patton | mstrutyp core fonts ? |
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| 15:21.23 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: pinning and backports are not related. |
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| 15:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: Well, except that backports are essentially pinned at the lowest priority. |
| 15:21.55 | themill | ,info ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 15:21.56 | judd | Package ttf-mscorefonts-installer (contrib/fonts, optional) in squeeze/i386: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. Version: 3.3; Size: 34.8k; Installed: 200k |
| 15:21.59 | themill | Gen_Patton: ^^ |
| 15:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: Are you trying to do something like "install all backports"? |
| 15:22.11 | Innocentus | themill: so I can upgrade to squeeze, right? |
| 15:22.24 | Innocentus | themill: sorry, but what is RHEL exactly? |
| 15:22.36 | troutwine | jhutchins_lt: How then do I configure apt to install a package that happens to come from backports? No, I need puppet to automatically install a few packages from backports and it does not support the -t switch: I need to pin those packages, I believe. |
| 15:22.41 | themill | jhutchins_lt: actually, from squeeze onwards, backports aren't pinned at the lowest priority, they're pinned to be automatically upgradable. |
| 15:23.06 | troutwine | themill: I'm running squeeze. Can you elaborate on that? |
| 15:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: You should read the instructons on the backports page. |
| 15:23.19 | troutwine | jhutchins_lt: I did. |
| 15:23.21 | themill | Innocentus: yes that should be possible but I'd recommend talking to the people who are providing that VPS to you and ask them if they have any specific advice. (RHEL is Redhat enterprise linux, a commonly used Xen hosting base) |
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| 15:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I thought they only upgraded if you had manually installed them. |
| 15:23.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | troutwine: sometimes, carefully rereading helps |
| 15:23.37 | darkskiez | themill, /var/lib/dpkg/status doesnt have md5sums in.. |
| 15:23.58 | sarguru | I need to actually pass a parameter to a module at the boot time. Will creating a file in modprobe.conf work? |
| 15:23.58 | themill | troutwine: there is no manual pinning required to use squeeze-backports with squeeze |
| 15:24.11 | themill | jhutchins_lt: s/manually// |
| 15:24.30 | Innocentus | themill: can I somehow find out if the physical vserver host runs Redhat? |
| 15:24.33 | troutwine | KaffeeJunky123: I see pinning instructions for lenny labeled sloppy. I also see the use of '-t' for squeeze but, as I say, I haven't the use of '-t' owing to a defect in my configuration management software. |
| 15:24.52 | darkskiez | wols_, do you see what i mean yet ? |
| 15:25.03 | themill | Innocentus: that doesn't look like a redhat kernel. I don't know what kernel that is. You should talk to your VPS provider. |
| 15:25.29 | troutwine | themill: I've enabled the backports repository, but still get packages from not backports. In what way is manual pinning not required? |
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| 15:26.23 | Innocentus | themill: well, the VPS people only told me that a kernel update will be available in unknown future |
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| 15:26.55 | Innocentus | themill: they hadn't told me anything about an installation of squeeze on the existing kernel |
| 15:26.56 | themill | troutwine: if you want a package from backports you just "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install package" if you don't necessarily want the package from backports then you only "aptitude install package". In either case, "aptitude upgrade" is sufficient to upgrade the package. You don't need to do any manual pinning. |
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| 15:27.16 | Innocentus | themill: is there a requirement check tool for squeeze available which inspects the system? |
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| 15:27.37 | themill | Innocentus: ask them if they've tried it out or if they have templates that do it. Or if they're willing to try it out or willing to give you a spare vm for a few hours to try it out. |
| 15:28.21 | troutwine | themill: I understand very clearly how to install a package from backports with the manual use of aptitude or apt-get. Like I say, I haven't that option: I can't use '-t' owing to a defect in puppet. With the backports repository enabled in sources.lst, however, 'aptitude upgrade' does nothing; there are no packages upgraded though they might be from backports. |
| 15:28.47 | troutwine | On puppet's defect: https://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/2406 |
| 15:28.49 | themill | troutwine: you should not be upgrading from squeeze to squeeze-backports like that. |
| 15:29.28 | themill | troutwine: backports is not designed for you to install all possible packages from backports onto your current box. |
| 15:29.31 | Innocentus | themill: no requirement checker? :) |
| 15:29.46 | Innocentus | themill: *tool |
| 15:29.53 | troutwine | themill: Like what? The instructions at backports-master.debian.org speak to no other approach. |
| 15:30.06 | jelly-home | troutwine: a) fix your config mgmt tool; b) does it support apt-get install foo=explicit_package_version syntax |
| 15:30.57 | blackshirt | Inocentus: openvz available on repo's |
| 15:31.10 | Innocentus | blackshirt: aha |
| 15:31.12 | troutwine | jelly-home: a) Neither here nor there; b) Are you suggesting I install the exact version now available in backports? |
| 15:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: This is a problem that needs to be solved in the "management tool", not by breaking the whole apt framework. |
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| 15:31.32 | troutwine | jhutchins_lt: Bloody hell, how am I breaking the whole apt framework? |
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| 15:31.38 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: This problem does not appear to have anything to do with Debian. |
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| 15:31.47 | Innocentus | blackshirt: eh, so I install a VM on a VM, right? crazy :D |
| 15:31.51 | blackshirt | Inocentus: lxc too |
| 15:32.15 | blackshirt | InnocentusL i don't know what you want :D |
| 15:32.16 | themill | troutwine: that's not what the instructions say. They say that if you at one time install a package from backports and then later a newer version is available from backports *then* it should be upgradable. It is not saying that you should be able to upgrade every single package possible to the version that is in backports. |
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| 15:33.51 | mwarning | wols_, hello again, I did update-grub to add nomodeset permanently for now. nomodeset seems to be set now by default (when I look at the grub parameter list for the kernel), but now I get the messed up color salad again. Any idea what could have gone wrong? |
| 15:34.22 | troutwine | themill: When did I _ever_ say I wanted to install every package possible from backports? I want 'puppet' and 'puppetmaster', that's it. I want to install them from backports and upgrade them from backports and yes I realize that puppet should be able to do that but A) that's not my fault and B) how is pinning such a grave sin that it 'breaks the whole apt framework'? |
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| 15:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: You need to fix puppet. Pinning isn't a solution to what you're trying to do. |
| 15:35.32 | bernhard1 | apt-get php5-fpm gives no result how can i add it ? |
| 15:35.45 | troutwine | jhutchins_lt: What, then, is pinning a solution to? |
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| 15:35.48 | themill | troutwine: it seemed to be that you wanted every package as you seemed to believe that just an aptitude upgrade would miraculously upgrade packages to the backports version. Given puppet can't do this, I think it's entirely appropriate to throw a pin file into /etc/apt/preferences.d |
| 15:35.49 | jhutchins_lt | troutwine: You're trying to fix a flat tire by rebuilding the engine. |
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| 15:36.14 | themill | jhutchins_lt: if you had a look at the puppet bug you'd realise that this is not something that is going to be fixed any time soon. |
| 15:36.36 | Innocentus | blackshirt: I want to know if I can upgrade the distribution from lenny to squeeze |
| 15:36.39 | jhutchins_lt | themill: So we shold rebuild the apt system instead? |
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| 15:36.45 | troutwine | jhutchins_lt: Throwing hapless analogies around isn't helping anything, friend. |
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| 15:36.51 | bernhard1 | mhh apt-get php5-fpm Unable to locate package php5-fpm how can i install it |
| 15:36.53 | themill | jhutchins_lt: who said anything about that? |
| 15:37.11 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell Innocentus about lenny->squeeze |
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| 15:37.20 | Innocentus | themill: eh mill, is there a requirement check tool for squeeze upgrade |
| 15:37.20 | troutwine | themill: Thanks. |
| 15:37.28 | darkskiez | themill, i think there is something to do with some other md5sum value - apt-cache dump shows it under "Description Language", the md5s there dont match anything i know of |
| 15:37.29 | themill | jhutchins_lt: how does that help Innocentus, btw? |
| 15:37.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: make a backup and try it |
| 15:37.36 | Innocentus | jhutchins_lt: I don't think dpkg got this level of artificial intelligence :) |
| 15:37.40 | themill | Innocentus: not that I know of. |
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| 15:37.57 | themill | Innocentus: yes, you should keep a backup.. most VPS hosting software can do full snapshots for you very easily |
| 15:38.03 | Innocentus | themill: ok |
| 15:38.21 | Innocentus | themill: and then I can fock off the vserver without any worries, right? I can simply restore |
| 15:38.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: I'm not familiar with xen, but shouldn't it be capable of running unmodified linux guests anyways? |
| 15:38.50 | themill | troutwine: so you need an /etc/apt/preferences.d/puppet with entries for the Package name and a pin priority between 100 and 500. Check that this has worked with "apt-cache policy packagename". |
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| 15:39.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | or does it mattter to the guest what host kernel is running? |
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| 15:39.49 | Innocentus | one question: how long is a channel log stored? :) |
| 15:39.50 | themill | troutwine: "/msg dpkg pinning" it can be difficult to get right and testing it via puppet doing things will be ugly. (testing locally with apt-cache policy will be easier) |
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| 15:40.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: forever |
| 15:40.18 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: so the xen kernel has to be compatible with the guest linux-kernel and distribution, right? |
| 15:40.22 | troutwine | themill: I'm still confused about priority numbers. From apt_preferences(5) I konw that 100 is currently installed, 500 those that aren't and don't belong. Why is between them the correct priority and not, say, lower or higher? |
| 15:40.31 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: is this good for the internet freedom |
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| 15:41.57 | themill | troutwine: actually, since you need to convince apt to upgrade those two packages from squeeze to squeeze-backports first, a pin of 600 would be fine. (normally, we go for 100-500 because you are pinning the repo not the package; package pins I normally put at 990) |
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| 15:42.43 | darkskiez | themill, do u know where i can find out what "Description language" md5 means in apt-cache policy |
| 15:42.52 | darkskiez | apt-cache dump sorry |
| 15:43.27 | Innocentus | I just saw kernel version 2.6.32 is required for debian squeeze, but I only got a xen kernel version 2.6.20-xen-r6 |
| 15:43.48 | Innocentus | can I still install it? is the little minor behind the major really so important? |
| 15:43.57 | catsup | Innocentus: yes |
| 15:44.00 | catsup | erm |
| 15:44.05 | catsup | Innocentus: yes to the second part |
| 15:44.16 | troutwine | themill: Pinning the repo, not the package? I'm not using a wildecard for the 'Package' value; can you explain what you mean? |
| 15:44.22 | themill | darkskiez: I'm guessing it's the translation indexes given that package descriptions can be translated and they are in separate files. |
| 15:44.24 | catsup | Innocentus: almost certainly no to the first part |
| 15:44.33 | SpeedyG | hi, every time I try to open a link in Konsole using the 'Open Link' button in the right-mouse menu, it does open the link but somehow iceweasel does not really open the link in the address bar but something like this instead: file:///var/tmp/kdecache-speedyg/krun/2499.0. does anyone know how to fix this issue ? |
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| 15:45.14 | catsup | Innocentus: if you can get it installed at all, everything will be broken (udev & who knows what else) |
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| 15:45.56 | catsup | however, in principle, it would be possible to fix everything and backport to an earlier kernel |
| 15:46.11 | themill | troutwine: you probably just want "Package: puppet puppet-master" (note you can't use wildcards in the Package name other than just "*" for all packages from that repo) |
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| 15:46.32 | sturmer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.44 | boudiccas | SpeedyG; please post the file to some website and let us know the url, as that file is held locally on your system and wont show on ours |
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| 15:47.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: I think this is more of a xen question |
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| 15:47.29 | troutwine | themill: Yep, that's exactly what I have, with priority 600. I guess I don't understand _why_ I have that priority, or how it relates to the pre-defined priority values. Seems to me that there are a lot of special cases to priority values. |
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| 15:47.47 | SpeedyG | boudiccas: it happens to any url I see coming by here.. so http://www.debian.org causes the same issue, but a different file |
| 15:47.47 | catsup | KaffeeJunky123: it's a debian question |
| 15:48.36 | boudiccas | SpeedyG; please then post a screenshot of what you see |
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| 15:49.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | catsup: he's asking if xen supports running a new kernel in dom0 while his domU is an old ass kernel ^^ |
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| 15:49.22 | SpeedyG | boudiccas: I see that specific filename in the titlebar, and the webpage shows up, but what I want is that url to be shown in the addressbar, not that file |
| 15:49.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | catsup: I just think that people over at ##xen might know more about this specific issue |
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| 15:50.23 | boudiccas | SpeedyG; you've lost me! sorry |
| 15:50.27 | catsup | KaffeeJunky123: oh, well, that is a xen question, i thought he was asking if he could run squeeze on the old kernel on dom0 |
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| 15:51.11 | catsup | i was just assuming you couldn't expect that to work with xen |
| 15:51.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | catsup: maybe I'm confusing domU and dom0 right now, it's been a while since I've read about it and I never used it |
| 15:51.42 | catsup | KaffeeJunky123: right, i understand your meaning |
| 15:52.15 | catsup | i was assuming (and i think this is surely so...) that you need the same kernel version for guest and hypervisor |
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| 15:52.37 | catsup | or anyway that incompatible changes could be introduced at any version |
| 15:52.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | well |
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| 15:53.07 | Innocentus | sorry |
| 15:53.21 | Innocentus | my connection |
| 15:53.24 | themill | troutwine: the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" will help; to a first approximation, they are just a rank order with magic numbers of 100 for "currently installed" and 500 for what's in normal repos, 1 for experimental and 100 for backports. There are actually implications of how "important" the pin is based on the value too (such as >1000 means do it no matter what) |
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| 15:53.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | I never quiet understood why you need a special kernel for the guest anyways |
| 15:53.33 | bernhard1 | how do i add php5-fpm to the package list ?? |
| 15:53.35 | Innocentus | anyone wrote something to me after I went offline? |
| 15:53.43 | Innocentus | Can I also install PHP5.3 without installing squeeze? |
| 15:53.44 | Innocentus | *safely |
| 15:54.01 | SpeedyG | boudiccas: when I right-click the debian.org url I just pasted in Konsole and select 'Open Link', this is what I get to see: http://imagebin.org/166951 Malformed page with awkward url |
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| 15:54.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: as noted previously, you should upgrade to squeeze anyways |
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| 15:54.23 | catsup | KaffeeJunky123: remember, xen predates hardware virtualization. modifying the guest kernel is what makes it possible to run the guest without an emulator |
| 15:54.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | for the sake of security upgrades |
| 15:54.32 | bernhard1 | apt-get install php5-fpm doesnt find the package.. |
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| 15:54.59 | jelly-home | ,versions php5-fpm |
| 15:55.00 | judd | Package php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.3.6-13; wheezy: 5.3.6-13 |
| 15:55.11 | themill | bernhard1: it's not available for squeeze. Do you really want it? "/msg dpkg ssb" and best of luck... |
| 15:55.25 | jelly-home | *cough hack* |
| 15:55.26 | troutwine | bernhard1: It's available in the dotdeb repository. |
| 15:55.34 | jelly-home | did you really suggest the user backport php |
| 15:55.56 | bernhard1 | how can i add it and install it on squeeze ? |
| 15:56.06 | troutwine | jelly-home: Was that question directed toward me? |
| 15:56.14 | catsup | php-fpm != php |
| 15:56.26 | jelly-home | troutwine: negative |
| 15:56.42 | troutwine | bernhard1: There's ample documentation on dotdeb.org. |
| 15:56.47 | catsup | but backporting php makes good sense |
| 15:56.48 | jelly-home | catsup: Source: php5 |
| 15:56.51 | troutwine | jelly-home: Just checking. |
| 15:56.54 | catsup | oic |
| 15:56.58 | sarguru_ | I need to actually pass a parameter to a module at the boot time. Will creating a file in modprobe.conf work? |
| 15:56.59 | themill | troutwine: dotdeb :( |
| 15:57.14 | troutwine | themill: What's wrong with dotdeb? |
| 15:57.17 | catsup | yeah anyway, php is the kind of thing you often want uptodate |
| 15:57.22 | themill | troutwine: /msg dpkg dotdeb |
| 15:57.23 | catsup | on a stable system |
| 15:57.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | troutwine: aperantly about everything |
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| 15:57.36 | jelly-home | troutwine: they have a history of making less than quality packages |
| 15:57.39 | themill | catsup: security updates yes, upstream updates, no. |
| 15:57.49 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: but what if this is not possible? |
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| 15:58.16 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: OK, what is the worst and what is the nicest scenario when ugrading from lenny to squeeze on a xen kernel? |
| 15:58.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: I guess you're in big trouble then :o |
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| 15:58.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: a kernel panic probably |
| 15:59.07 | troutwine | I've not had any troubles with their php5-fpm; but, agreed, I don't touch most of what they have with a long stick. |
| 15:59.13 | catsup | themill: depends on what you're doing... |
| 15:59.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: I know next to nothing about the xen stuff though, that's why I suggested to ask over at ##xen |
| 15:59.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: or do you mean you want to stick with your current xen kernel? |
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| 16:00.35 | an0 | I'm thinking about purchasing a used HP rack mount server and because it has 8GB of RAM, I want to run 64bit debian. Having never run a 64bit linux OS, what are the biggest concerns in doing so? |
| 16:00.50 | an0 | Should I expect differences in running Apache, PHP, etc? |
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| 16:01.10 | an0 | Or anything else I should be considering? |
| 16:01.13 | SpeedyG | boudiccas: basically what seems to happen is that Konsole downloads the file and then opens it in iceweasel |
| 16:01.22 | themill | Innocentus: I have a VPS running on an older kernel than that with lenny's udev and the rest of the squeeze userspace. I'm not saying that's a great solution, I wouldn't recommend that as an approach that you should take and I certainly wouldn't try it without being able to rollback to a previous snapshot easily ... but it works from me (just). |
| 16:01.29 | tensorpudding | 64-bit doesn't have many significant differences |
| 16:01.43 | catsup | Innocentus: just to reiterate, there is basically no way that you are going to get squeeze to run on a 2.6.20 kernel, because udev interfaces have incompatibly changed |
| 16:01.47 | tensorpudding | there is some increased overhead, but not a lot |
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| 16:02.01 | boudiccas | SpeedyG; i would've thought that was the normal default response |
| 16:02.02 | troutwine | an0: You should have no problem. Some user-space stuff, but nothing you'll need on a server system. |
| 16:02.06 | tensorpudding | and some increase floating point performance, but it won't affect apache or php |
| 16:02.26 | catsup | themill: but consider that he had to come here to ask the question :\ |
| 16:02.28 | an0 | so once it's installed, I can basically treat it like any other linux box, with the exception of drivers, obviously. |
| 16:02.32 | an0 | Right? |
| 16:02.39 | tensorpudding | the userspace stuff isn't due to 64-bit so much as poorly-designed software that isn't portable |
| 16:02.42 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: I have to stick, yes, because my provider don't offer an upgrade possibility yet |
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| 16:02.46 | troutwine | an0: Yep. |
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| 16:02.57 | troutwine | tensorpudding: Sure. I was thinking Adobe's Flash, in particular. |
| 16:03.00 | themill | catsup: hey.. I asked in #d if there was a nicer way of doing that prior to trying it out...! |
| 16:03.00 | SpeedyG | boudiccas: basically with an url, the normal response would be to send the url to the browser and let the browser handle that... |
| 16:03.02 | Innocentus | catsup: so I can forget the idea of upgrading on this kernel, right? |
| 16:03.12 | SpeedyG | boudiccas: so I'm a bit puzzled as why this has changed now :/ |
| 16:03.14 | pidgeon1 | hello, can anyone help me configure my printer? |
| 16:03.15 | Innocentus | themill: so I better wait for the kernel upgrade offered by provider, right?+ |
| 16:03.20 | an0 | troutwine: Is there anything special I should need to consider if the server I buy has dual opteron's? Will the OS just recognize and use them automatically? |
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| 16:03.26 | an0 | Sorry for the noobish questions. |
| 16:03.39 | catsup | Innocentus: switching provider would probably be easier (and seriously, i would get away from them, if they're that out of date) |
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| 16:03.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: nope, you can't stick with your current kernel and upgrade to squeeze, it would break stuff |
| 16:04.09 | pidgeon1 | anyone?: I can probably answer most questions |
| 16:04.25 | troutwine | an0: Not sure about that specific processor, but I know Linux has a native understanding of them and has for a long time. I've never had any trouble getting Debian going on a 64bit computer, not in years. |
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| 16:04.35 | troutwine | pidgeon1: You should ask the questions. |
| 16:04.37 | catsup | pidgeon1: you must ask your question; you will discover whether anyone will answer it, after they do, or don't |
| 16:04.49 | pidgeon1 | when i go to the cups host, i cannot edit the printers.... i get the 'forbidden' message |
| 16:04.54 | an0 | troutwine: okay great! I just wanted to make sure I wasn't getting into trouble spending this money. |
| 16:05.05 | themill | wonders what distro released with a "2.6.20-xen-r6" kernel in the first place |
| 16:05.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | an0: multiple cpu support has been around for ages now |
| 16:05.19 | Innocentus | themill: debian lenny :) |
| 16:05.21 | pidgeon1 | troutwine: ok, i have a samsung ml-2510 w/ splix driver installed but i cannot print in the browsers or in office |
| 16:05.30 | themill | Innocentus: not at all |
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| 16:05.42 | an0 | It's got 8GB ECC RAM, dual opterons (forget what speed), three 72GB SCSI drives with support for RAID 0,1, 5, and 10, and I forget what else. $250 =) |
| 16:05.47 | Innocentus | themill: but why does the vm got this kernel then? |
| 16:05.48 | themill | ,kernels --release lenny |
| 16:05.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | an0: just make sure that the hardware itself is supported |
| 16:05.49 | judd | Available kernel versions are: lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 16:05.52 | pidgeon1 | i go to the cups host and two printers are listed, the current one and one i had before but i can't delete it |
| 16:05.57 | catsup | pidgeon1: you probably need to configure the httpd to allow the IP block you are connecting from; that happens if your network is set up so that local connectiosn don't come from 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:06.14 | catsup | um |
| 16:06.15 | troutwine | pidgeon1: Sorry. I don't know squat about printers. |
| 16:06.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | an0: real raids? |
| 16:06.20 | themill | Innocentus: such is the nature of xen based hosting. The host kernel is what is being exposed to you here; your guest does not have a kernel. |
| 16:06.20 | an0 | KaffeeJunky123: okay. I'm trying to get the model number so I can look everything up. |
| 16:06.20 | catsup | oh nevermind |
| 16:06.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | an0: that sounds like a great deal |
| 16:06.24 | pidgeon1 | catsup: how do i do that? |
| 16:06.25 | an0 | KaffeeJunky123: I think? |
| 16:06.30 | catsup | pidgeon1: nevermind, i misunderstood |
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| 16:06.35 | an0 | KaffeeJunky123: Yes, I think it is. |
| 16:06.51 | pidgeon1 | catsup: huh? I'm confused |
| 16:07.12 | an0 | KaffeeJunky123: I *think* its a ProLiant model, but I'm not sure. |
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| 16:07.18 | catsup | pidgeon1: i thought you weren't getting into the configuration panel at all, but your second comment clarified that you are |
| 16:07.20 | an0 | KaffeeJunky123: HP ProLiant, that is. |
| 16:07.20 | pidgeon1 | at the bare minimum, it should print on local host.... to local machine |
| 16:07.44 | pidgeon1 | catsup: oh... yes, i can log in to config settings of CUPS but that's all |
| 16:08.03 | pidgeon1 | i'm using xfce too but shouldn't matter so much my de, right? |
| 16:08.17 | troutwine | an0: $250 altogether? That's a nice deal you got. |
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| 16:08.25 | pidgeon1 | i've set up printers before but usually don't have this much trouble |
| 16:08.32 | an0 | troutwine: thanks! =) |
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| 16:09.36 | pidgeon1 | i looked at /etc/cups/cupsd.conf file but have no clue what should be there |
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| 16:10.18 | Innocentus | ok |
| 16:10.20 | Innocentus | thank you people |
| 16:10.28 | Innocentus | I will wait for the provider's kernel update |
| 16:11.20 | pidgeon1 | i use xfce and when i go to menu..... system -> printers -> foomatic-gui (usr/bin/foomatic-gui) shows nothing there |
| 16:11.41 | an0 | KaffeeJunky123: HP ProLiant DL385 is the model |
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| 16:12.00 | an0 | Can anyone speak for the hardware support on that machine with 64bit debian? |
| 16:12.01 | pidgeon1 | but printer settings in browser and office show two printers, one that is not connected anymore and current one...but, i cannot print.... |
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| 16:13.23 | an0 | Found this page: http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant |
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| 16:14.07 | plug918 | hello, anyone can point me to a good package for installing a mail server that can enable pop3 service for debian? |
| 16:14.43 | pidgeon1 | an0: yeah, install tg3 firmware |
| 16:14.53 | an0 | pidgeon1: I was just reading that. I have no clue what that means. |
| 16:15.04 | pidgeon1 | no one can help w/ printer problems? :( |
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| 16:15.28 | pidgeon1 | an0: i would guess that if you have non-free repo in your sources.list, you can search for that firmware and install it |
| 16:15.51 | an0 | What is the firmware for exactly? |
| 16:16.00 | pidgeon1 | i always use synaptic package manager even if you want to use aptitude for your installs... it's good for a visual search list |
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| 16:16.21 | an0 | So I can get the OS installed without that firmware, then just install it after the fact? |
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| 16:16.49 | wols_ | an0: yes |
| 16:17.07 | an0 | Okay. This should be fun lol |
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| 16:17.15 | an0 | Hopefully I can pick it up tonight. |
| 16:17.25 | troutwine | an0: You'll install and if you're using a vanilla disk you'll not have the driver needed for the network card. If you have another card, no worries. Else you need to package it into your own installation disk. |
| 16:17.28 | wols_ | an0: that is, if you don't need firmware to boot. e.g. a scsi adapter firmware... |
| 16:17.36 | troutwine | You'll be prompted the whole way and it's not a big deal. |
| 16:17.49 | pidgeon1 | an0: yes... but, make sure you have the non-free repo in sources.list and then run the update command so that it is ready |
| 16:18.10 | wols_ | !tell an0 about installer firmware |
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| 16:18.34 | wols_ | plug918: you need a bit more than just a pop3 server for a mail server |
| 16:19.01 | pidgeon1 | yeah, if related to your internet connection hardware, you need the firmware on the disc |
| 16:19.22 | pidgeon1 | no printer ppl here? i was hoping my problem was straight forward.... :-( |
| 16:19.28 | an0 | Wow. And I have to make a custom disk for that? |
| 16:19.30 | plug918 | wols_: can you tell me what package do i need to set it up? |
| 16:19.57 | pidgeon1 | an0: i don't know... what is your network hardware? |
| 16:20.09 | pidgeon1 | i thought your hp was a printer for server? |
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| 16:20.19 | an0 | I'm not sure. Whatever is onboard in that machine, I bet. |
| 16:20.27 | troutwine | an0: If the machine you pick-up has that exact controller in it. You can also prefer to install the firmware from a USB disk after the machine is installed and booted, you'll just be without a net connection until that time. |
| 16:20.47 | an0 | Ah I see. |
| 16:20.53 | an0 | That might be easier, lol |
| 16:20.59 | troutwine | an0: I usually take the USB approach, myself. |
| 16:21.19 | an0 | I don't know how to package firmware into an installation disk. |
| 16:21.23 | pidgeon1 | without a net connection makes it that much harder, though |
| 16:21.41 | an0 | Is there like a debian DVD I can download that has lots of extra firmware and other packages on it, as opposed to the CD? |
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| 16:22.11 | troutwine | pidgeon1: How do you figure? It's a rack machine; presumably there'll be another laptop with a full net connection sitting nearby. |
| 16:22.24 | jelly-home | an0: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 16:22.35 | an0 | jelly-home: k thanks |
| 16:23.07 | pidgeon1 | just going through the install, it's constantly downloading stuff... accessing the server... well, he can find out |
| 16:23.16 | wols_ | plug918: no. there are about half a dozen different pop3 servers. e.g. you can use pop3d |
| 16:23.45 | an0 | So probably the 179MB ISO from here should have what I need on it? |
| 16:23.45 | an0 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 16:24.13 | pidgeon1 | no printer experts here? |
| 16:24.17 | pidgeon1 | wasn't my info sufficient? |
| 16:24.29 | an0 | Sorry pidgeon1. I'd help if I could! |
| 16:24.47 | pidgeon1 | an0: thanks anyway ;) |
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| 16:25.02 | andyw | anyone else having issues with ftp.uk.debian.org? |
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| 16:25.17 | pidgeon1 | an0: how come you don't know if you will have compatible net hardware? you don't know what the hardware is? |
| 16:25.22 | boudiccas | andyw; define 'issues' please? |
| 16:25.29 | jelly-home | an0: there's a possiblity your hardware might be too new for the kernel from debian stable. In that case, you may also try /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 16:25.30 | andyw | rejecting connections ATM |
| 16:25.34 | troutwine | pidgeon1: You might try one of the web forums or the mailing list? Long-term debugging issues are more easily tackled in those mediums. |
| 16:26.00 | pidgeon1 | troutwine: i posted to the forum |
| 16:26.03 | an0 | pidgeon1: I gave you the model of the server. That is the most I know about it. =( |
| 16:26.03 | an0 | jelly-home |
| 16:26.08 | pidgeon1 | i thought i'd ask in real time, though ;) |
| 16:26.15 | jelly-home | an0: also, read hp.com software&drivers pages about the machine |
| 16:26.17 | an0 | jelly-home: Okay, thanks for that info! |
| 16:26.20 | jelly-home | an0: you didn' |
| 16:26.24 | troutwine | pidgeon1: Bother. Hate it when that happens. Good luck to you. |
| 16:26.27 | jelly-home | an0: you didn't give the generation |
| 16:26.34 | an0 | I don't know it =( |
| 16:26.38 | jelly-home | an0: DL385 G? <- |
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| 16:26.51 | an0 | I asked if it was a G5? No answer yet lol |
| 16:27.04 | pidgeon1 | troutwine: yes, and i have set up this printer before but can't remember what i did on this old laptop... it doesn't help... :-/ |
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| 16:27.19 | jelly-home | an0: if you have console or iLO access, you can check it |
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| 16:27.36 | an0 | It's sitting in a corner of a computer shop in town. |
| 16:27.44 | an0 | Not plugged in. |
| 16:27.54 | jelly-home | hah |
| 16:28.02 | jelly-home | so why are we talking about it here :-D |
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| 16:28.33 | an0 | I'm probably buying it soon and need to know if I can do what I want to do with it. |
| 16:28.33 | quebra | hello |
| 16:28.41 | an0 | Which is basically run Debian lol |
| 16:28.48 | quebra | how can i install .deb package without checking dependencies :? |
| 16:28.59 | jelly-home | an0: Debian in general works rather well on DL 3xx Proliants |
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| 16:29.19 | pidgeon1 | DL385 G5P is listed on the HP Proliant Debian page |
| 16:29.29 | jelly-home | an0: disclaimer: I only have experience with G3-G7 |
| 16:29.36 | an0 | lol |
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| 16:29.56 | jelly-home | !proliant |
| 16:29.56 | dpkg | HP ProLiant utilities for Lenny i386/amd64 systems are available in the <proliant sources.list> repo now! See <proliant ftp> for the older iso image with package. See also <bnx2>, <nc375i>, <netxen>. http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant http://hp.com/go/debian |
| 16:29.57 | an0 | Okay, you guys have been very helpful. I need to go get some food now. Thanks! |
| 16:29.58 | me-1 | hi...when I install Debian . I get bare-bone gnome , I mean I don't get apps like open office , calculator etc . any hint what mistaket i am maiking |
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| 16:30.23 | wols_ | !tell me-1 about install gnome |
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| 16:31.13 | me-1 | wols_, i install gnome default in cd1 |
| 16:31.32 | pidgeon1 | it doesn't make sense to me that i can log in to CUPS as root but i can't do anything, any modifying, while i'm there! |
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| 16:37.29 | lolzie | Hi, I'm experimenting with buffer overflows - what might be stopping me from overwriting the eip in the stack? |
| 16:37.32 | dwep | it's xsession that you're supposed to edit if running a graphical login manager? |
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| 16:37.47 | lolzie | Or the return address, rather |
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| 16:38.14 | lolzie | For some reason, my program only crashes but with an eip which isn't populated with my buffer |
| 16:38.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: nothing can stop you from overwriting the return address if you've a stackoverflow |
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| 16:39.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: however, there are mesures to prevent you from making a usable exploit of it |
| 16:39.14 | lolzie | I understand |
| 16:39.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: namly ASLR |
| 16:39.25 | lolzie | yes |
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| 16:39.37 | lolzie | However, the eip, upon program crash, isn't full of 0x41, which it should be given that I'm passing like 1000 to a 10 byte buffer |
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| 16:41.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: I don't see how this subject is debian related |
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| 16:41.25 | Chance | hi how can i raise my server file decriptors ? |
| 16:41.29 | lolzie | KaffeeJunky123: well, it somehow is because this is only happening on my debian server |
| 16:41.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: but if you want to understand where your application is actually crashing and how, use gdb |
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| 16:41.34 | lolzie | So something must be different |
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| 16:42.08 | kNC | an0: did you get them? |
| 16:42.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: it's quiet possible that it's crashing before it reaches the retn instruction |
| 16:42.12 | kNC | an0; for nonfree wireless firmwares; go to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
| 16:42.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: so EIP will not contain your bytes |
| 16:43.37 | Chance | How can i increase the file descriptors on my debian box ? cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max shows 100000 also sysctl -p shows it |
| 16:43.49 | Chance | but under a user it doesnt display it |
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| 16:44.10 | sarguru_ | I need to actually pass a parameter to a module at the boot time. Will creating a file in modprobe.conf work? |
| 16:44.12 | Chance | ulimit -n shows 1024 |
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| 16:44.33 | milehigh | Any way I could make lenny fit on a 500M CF card? |
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| 16:47.16 | sarguru_ | I need to actually pass a parameter to a module at the boot time. Will creating a file in modprobe.conf work? |
| 16:47.32 | lolzie | KaffeeJunky123: hmm, the program doesn't crash immediately after the strcpy, but instead after main() returns: (argc=Cannot access memory at address 0x41414141 ) |
| 16:47.48 | lolzie | Does that mean anything to you? (Thanks btw) |
| 16:48.09 | LV-426 | hello guys - synergy is really giving me a hard time - ever so often the ctrl / shift / alt key locks on the client side, and is really hard to reset. I do use a dual keyboard layout which helps confuse synergy. Is there anyway to reset all these buttons from the command line ? |
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| 16:48.45 | lolzie | KaffeeJunky123: it would appear to me that argc (which has been overwritten) is attempting to be accessed at the end of main() (don't know why that would happen?) thus resulting in the crash |
| 16:49.00 | LV-426 | I could save such a command as a script on the client & launch it via ssh to save the day whenever it happens... |
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| 16:50.41 | chrissbx | Is there a testing installer? Or do I have to use the stable installer then dist-upgrade? |
| 16:50.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | lolzie: it's quiet ot, but you could still provide a pastebin of your program |
| 16:51.05 | lolzie | KaffeeJunky123: thanks, will do |
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| 16:52.01 | lolzie | KaffeeJunky123: http://pastebin.com/ZZDCy7Xa |
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| 16:53.04 | babilen | chrissbx: there are dailies and weeklies, but installing stable and upgrading is the recommended procedure. Please note that there is a specific channel (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) for wheezy/sid support |
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| 16:56.51 | chrissbx | Thanks babilen |
| 16:57.24 | sarguru_ | I need to actually pass a parameter to a module at the boot time. Will creating a file in modprobe.conf work? |
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| 16:59.35 | chrissbx | sarguru_: usually yes. |
| 16:59.53 | chrissbx | I'm not sure about modules that are loaded during the initrd stage, though. |
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| 17:00.28 | an0 | KaffeeJunky123: Thanks! No I just got lunch lol |
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| 17:01.54 | babilen | sarguru_: You could, for example, create /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf and specify the options there. Furthermore you might want to recreate the initramfs with "update-initramfs -u" |
| 17:02.15 | babilen | sarguru_: But any file ending in .conf within /etc/modprobe.d/ would do .. |
| 17:02.17 | Innocentus | Hi |
| 17:02.21 | Innocentus | I got a new question |
| 17:02.26 | Innocentus | I got new question |
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| 17:02.40 | qwd | !ask |
| 17:02.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:02.46 | Innocentus | Altough I cannot install squeeze I still want to install the new PHP5.3 on a lenny |
| 17:02.50 | babilen | Innocentus: I don't believe you until you've asked it in the most precise and informative way ever. |
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| 17:02.53 | Innocentus | How can I do this with apt? |
| 17:02.55 | Innocentus | sry |
| 17:02.58 | devil_ | Innocentus: are you sure noone ever asked it? :) |
| 17:03.02 | babilen | ,versions php5 |
| 17:03.03 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-proposed-updates: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze3; sid: 5.3.6-7; sid: 5.3.6-13; wheezy: 5.3.6-13 |
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| 17:03.58 | Innocentus | yes, there are some articels on the web regarding this, but they use external repositoriers from where I don't know whether they are safe and fresh enough |
| 17:04.00 | babilen | Innocentus: As you can see php 5.3 is in squeeze |
| 17:04.17 | Innocentus | babilen: I cannot install it, I have to wait for the kernel |
| 17:04.28 | Innocentus | babilen: in the meantime I still want the new PHP5.3 |
| 17:04.46 | babilen | Innocentus: Why is that? Which kernel are you waiting for? What is the "new" php 5.3? |
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| 17:06.23 | Innocentus | babilen: I need a newer kernel for upgrading the distribution from lenny to squeeze. I wait for the provider to do this upgrade or offer different kernel versions. |
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| 17:06.50 | Innocentus | babilen: currently I can only get the older PHP5.2 from the official lenny repositories |
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| 17:07.04 | Innocentus | babilen: but I need PHP5.3 because this is a requirement of Doctrine ORM 2 |
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| 17:08.17 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 17:08.57 | johnfg | I've got a weird situation, been going on for about a week, having to do with vnc. |
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| 17:09.57 | johnfg | When I connect remotely, I'm asked for the password for vnc, it takes it, but I don't get to see the screen/console. |
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| 17:10.30 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
| 17:10.31 | boudiccas | Innocentus; havent we been through this already this afternoon? |
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| 17:10.50 | johnfg | I'm doing this from a terminal now via putty, and there's no problem. |
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| 17:11.12 | babilen | Innocentus: You might be able to backport php 5.3 yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) -- But I have no idea how easy or even feasible that is. Haven't you discussed this ad nauseam earlier with a bunch of people? |
| 17:11.24 | johnfg | I haven't changed any config either. btw...this is running lenny, all the latest patches. |
| 17:11.39 | babilen | Innocentus: And please note that I typically try to avoid PHP at all costs. |
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| 17:12.02 | Innocentus | babilen: what is your alternative then? I also tried to avoid it but I allways ended up with it. |
| 17:12.44 | boudiccas | Innocentus; i notice that you adroitly sidestep from the issue that we've already been through this this afternoon |
| 17:13.16 | babilen | Innocentus: python, perl, erlang, clojure, ruby, scala, ... come to mind. |
| 17:13.18 | Innocentus | boudiccas: yes, but because I cannot upgrade the kernel nor the distribution I have to take another way in order to install that damn PHP5.3 |
| 17:13.32 | Innocentus | babilen: I heard ruby sucks |
| 17:13.42 | Chance | How can i increase the file descriptors on my debian box ? cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max shows 100000 also sysctl -p shows it, also ulimit -n shows 1024 |
| 17:13.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: who's spreading such cruel lies? |
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| 17:14.11 | babilen | Innocentus: Use one of the other then if you dislike ruby ;) |
| 17:14.13 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: I looked for serious benchmarks and reviews about ruby (and ruby on rails) |
| 17:14.27 | DeM0nFiRe | Ruby itself is really cool. Not sure about RoR |
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| 17:14.52 | Innocentus | DeM0nFiRe: well, they reviewed as inconsistent with many tricks, especially for simulating the missing require_once and such funny things |
| 17:15.05 | themill | dpkg, start a language war |
| 17:15.06 | dpkg | Pascal is better than Ruby |
| 17:15.08 | themill | moves the language war over to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:15.19 | Innocentus | ouh |
| 17:15.23 | Innocentus | dpkg, dance for me |
| 17:15.23 | dpkg | Innocentus: I give up, what is it? |
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| 17:15.24 | daemonkeeper | Pascal _is_ better than Ruby. |
| 17:15.36 | Innocentus | dpkg, how can I install PHP5.3 on my Debian Lenny? |
| 17:15.37 | dpkg | Innocentus: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:15.42 | Innocentus | darn |
| 17:15.48 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 17:15.53 | daemonkeeper | The answer is: upgrade. |
| 17:15.59 | babilen | Innocentus: dpkg is a bot if that is not evident already |
| 17:16.03 | themill | Innocentus: dpkg knows all. |
| 17:16.09 | Innocentus | yes |
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| 17:16.16 | Innocentus | a male ELIZA |
| 17:16.17 | kuznetzvo | dpkg, where can I find uranium? |
| 17:16.19 | dpkg | kuznetzvo: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:16.24 | kuznetzvo | useless. |
| 17:16.37 | ParkerR | Haha |
| 17:16.55 | kuznetzvo | just because i have russian irc name doesn't automatically mean i have access to uranium -.- |
| 17:17.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | kuznetzvo: you could try to ask your local nuclear powerplant |
| 17:17.08 | babilen | Ok, we had our fun now. Can we go back to support? |
| 17:17.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | kuznetzvo: *at your |
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| 17:17.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | powerplants don't usually reply to questions |
| 17:17.25 | babilen | invites all interested parties to #d-ot |
| 17:17.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | even when they're debian related |
| 17:17.34 | Innocentus | babilen: yes, how can I install PHP5.3 at all costs? |
| 17:17.43 | Innocentus | babilen: I would even compile it, but give it to me |
| 17:17.48 | jelly-home | AT ALL COSTS |
| 17:17.49 | Innocentus | babilen: I am on PHP and I need a fresh dose |
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| 17:17.52 | Innocentus | yes |
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| 17:18.12 | ParkerR | Umm #d-ot is empty |
| 17:18.13 | babilen | Innocentus: At all costs? Get a VPS with Gandi and use squeeze there. |
| 17:18.14 | jelly-home | Innocentus: I'll build it for your sorry ass for 100⬠|
| 17:18.27 | Innocentus | Gandi? |
| 17:18.36 | babilen | ParkerR: That was short for #debian-offtopic |
| 17:18.38 | boudiccas | Innocentus; you're beginning to get boring withe same old mantra |
| 17:18.39 | Innocentus | jelly-home: for 100⬠I get a root server for a looong time |
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| 17:18.47 | babilen | Innocentus: gandi.net |
| 17:18.54 | jelly-home | Innocentus: do that, then |
| 17:18.57 | Innocentus | boudiccas: Are there any inofficial repositories with PHP5.3 for lenny? |
| 17:19.03 | ParkerR | babilen, Oh XD |
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| 17:19.15 | boudiccas | Innocentus; lord knows, i'm no longer interested |
| 17:19.16 | ParkerR | Well dont confuse people like that XD |
| 17:19.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: old stable is dead stable |
| 17:19.30 | babilen | ParkerR: yeah, sorry :) |
| 17:19.36 | jelly-home | boudiccas: you have a dog named "lord" don't you |
| 17:19.39 | junix659 | ok i need some assistance, i'm trying to update my debian system and it wants to uninstall all of these packages - http://nopaste.info/a4608c350d.html |
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| 17:19.54 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: dead stable = good? |
| 17:19.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: nope, it's the name of his invisible friend |
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| 17:20.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | Innocentus: it's as stable as a dead body |
| 17:20.17 | jelly-home | KaffeeJunky123: his? how presumptuos |
| 17:20.17 | boudiccas | junix659; it would help if you told us what version of debian you're running |
| 17:20.27 | junix659 | boudiccas: sorry |
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| 17:20.38 | junix659 | i had 4.0.8 on here and did a dist-upgrade |
| 17:20.46 | edbian | What is the package that provides the nm-applet that usually sits in notification area?? |
| 17:21.01 | Innocentus | KaffeeJunky123: where do I get the fresh PHP5.3 from? |
| 17:21.11 | boudiccas | Innocentus; boring! |
| 17:21.18 | Innocentus | boudiccas: not very helpful! |
| 17:21.31 | jelly-home | also, misleading usage of idiom "at all costs" |
| 17:22.14 | jelly-home | at any cost* |
| 17:22.18 | Innocentus | jelly-home: this means I am willing to sacrifice many days in order to get the crap runnin |
| 17:22.35 | jelly-home | gives Innocentus a squeeze chroot |
| 17:22.51 | junix659 | boudiccas: 4.0.8 - dist-upgrade to 6.0 |
| 17:22.59 | Innocentus | jelly-home: I can't implant it into the vserver |
| 17:23.20 | valdyn | junix659: you need to upgrade to debian 5 first |
| 17:23.39 | junix659 | valdyn: i did |
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| 17:23.58 | jelly-home | junix659: Debian does not support skipping releases, you WILL end up with weird stuff |
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| 17:24.28 | ParkerR | \o/ Finally got backslash key working |
| 17:25.01 | edbian | ParkerR: \o/ |
| 17:25.15 | themill | junix659: apart from what others have already said, /msg dpkg webmin, /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 17:25.17 | ParkerR | edbian, and all with this xmodmap -e "keycode 94 = backslash bar |
| 17:25.21 | valdyn | junix659: oh theres not actuallly any problem in your paste |
| 17:25.24 | ParkerR | " |
| 17:25.34 | junix659 | valdyn: really? |
| 17:25.39 | junix659 | valdyn: that's what i wanted to know |
| 17:25.42 | valdyn | junix659: you just dont understand what apt-get autoremove does? |
| 17:25.55 | junix659 | valdyn: should i let autoremove remove those pacakges?\ |
| 17:26.01 | junix659 | that's what i needed validation for |
| 17:26.07 | valdyn | junix659: not if you need them |
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| 17:26.15 | junix659 | valdyn: we'll find oout |
| 17:26.21 | junix659 | valdyn: i can always reinstall |
| 17:26.27 | valdyn | junix659: prelude-lml is broken, but other than that.. |
| 17:26.42 | valdyn | junix659: do "apt-get -f install" first |
| 17:26.49 | junix659 | ok |
| 17:26.52 | themill | junix659: lots of "lib" packages being uninstalled because they aren't required after a big upgrade like that is normal btw |
| 17:27.03 | junix659 | its been a while htanks |
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| 17:27.28 | valdyn | this is more like lib + alot of gnome |
| 17:28.15 | valdyn | junix659: webmin is totally unsupported iirc |
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| 17:29.01 | junix659 | valdyn: take a look at this for me |
| 17:29.02 | junix659 | http://nopaste.info/2b1f132dd7.html |
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| 17:29.30 | valdyn | junix659: do you need prelude-lml? |
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| 17:29.51 | danielboston26 | debian is not recognizing my root password |
| 17:29.57 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 17:29.58 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 17:29.58 | danielboston26 | i can't sudo or login as root |
| 17:30.05 | junix659 | valdyn: probably for webmin? i'm install webmind for some other users (not aas techincally apt) |
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| 17:30.37 | danielboston26 | how do i fix this problem? |
| 17:30.44 | valdyn | danielboston26: dpkg told you |
| 17:30.56 | abrotman | danielboston26: when you use sudo, you use your user password, not the root password |
| 17:30.57 | valdyn | junix659: so you get to fix the prelude-lml configuration I guess |
| 17:31.28 | danielboston26 | it says im not in the sudoers file |
| 17:31.33 | junix659 | valdyn: well webmin is working, but backupexec services are not :-D |
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| 17:31.57 | danielboston26 | how do i boot into cl? |
| 17:31.58 | abrotman | danielboston26: then see what the bot said above |
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| 17:33.06 | danielboston26 | how do i boot into the command line to run those commands? |
| 17:33.12 | pidgeon1 | anyone know about configuring printers and CUPS |
| 17:33.14 | pidgeon1 | ? |
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| 17:33.26 | dark-sun | hi people |
| 17:33.34 | pidgeon1 | I think the cups web interface system is so ridiculous! |
| 17:33.37 | pidgeon1 | how do you log out? |
| 17:33.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | pidgeon1: the cups manual does |
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| 17:34.04 | pidgeon1 | cups manual is junk |
| 17:34.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | I kid you not, it does contain everything you ever need to know |
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| 17:34.34 | junix659 | valdyn: question for you, i'm looking into a solution to replace FTP with FTPoSSL or SFTP/SCP but need to chroot EVERY users on my system with the exception of about 10. is there an easy way to do this? |
| 17:34.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | pidgeon1: well, you can't edit the cups config files if you don't read about how to do it first |
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| 17:35.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | pidgeon1: and yes, the webinterface isn't suited for more sophisticated configurations |
| 17:35.39 | pidgeon1 | cups web interface keeps loading and i want to log off |
| 17:35.41 | nsadmin | pidgeon1, you're matching the typical troll pattern of "put down everything" |
| 17:35.46 | pidgeon1 | it shows 1.4.2 but i upgraded |
| 17:35.57 | nsadmin | cached? |
| 17:36.15 | nsadmin | upgraded what? |
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| 17:36.27 | nsadmin | another pattern, lack of specificity |
| 17:36.28 | Chance | How can i increase the file descriptors on my debian box ? cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max shows 100000 also sysctl -p shows it, also ulimit -n shows 1024 |
| 17:37.24 | Innocentus | So I will have to wait for the provider... |
| 17:37.26 | Innocentus | argh |
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| 17:38.12 | nsadmin | Chance, probably the ulimit one is the per-process limit |
| 17:38.16 | dark-sun | I'm wondering if it's possible to find out what "sequence number" is associated with a special daemon (like bluetooth)? |
| 17:38.39 | Chance | can i change that ? |
| 17:38.40 | pidgeon1 | clearing the cache updated the version, thanks |
| 17:38.53 | pidgeon1 | but, can't log out |
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| 17:39.14 | pidgeon1 | troll pattern?!? |
| 17:39.38 | pidgeon1 | i logged in without using 'root' so i couldn't change settings |
| 17:39.54 | danielboston26 | how do i boot into the commandline to run those commands? |
| 17:39.56 | pidgeon1 | so, i edited the config file and added my username but that's not what i wanted to do |
| 17:40.23 | nsadmin | pidgeon1, yeah, you matched a pattern... doesn't mean you -are- a troll, just that you matched a pattern... |
| 17:40.39 | nsadmin | having said that, the pattern is falling away a bit |
| 17:40.42 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: not sure what that means |
| 17:40.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | pidgeon1: you're providing us too few information to actually help |
| 17:41.12 | jelly-home | danielboston26: just reboot. When you get to the grub menu, you'll be able to do step 1) to change grub into its command line |
| 17:41.15 | pidgeon1 | KaffeeJunky123: i am not sure what info i need to provide |
| 17:41.17 | dark-sun | Is it possible to find out what "sequence number" is associated with a special daemon (like bluetooth)? |
| 17:41.31 | nsadmin | meetoo... it would have been cause to look closer if you continued the pattern, but doesn't seem like you did |
| 17:41.31 | danielboston26 | jelly-home how do i do that? |
| 17:41.32 | pidgeon1 | i guess it's solved but not what i wanted |
| 17:41.57 | pidgeon1 | i wanted to remove a printer and have my current one work but i made a mistake |
| 17:42.01 | pidgeon1 | i think |
| 17:42.03 | danielboston26 | jelly-home no where do i see a choice to do that |
| 17:42.03 | jelly-home | danielboston26: how do you do what? reboot? |
| 17:42.04 | kNC | any idea how i can boot straight to debian and not stop at the menu that gives me the option to debian or debian recovry mode? |
| 17:42.10 | nsadmin | pidgeon1, oh I remember the file now, .htaccess |
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| 17:42.19 | pidgeon1 | when i went to the cups interface , i entered my user name and password |
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| 17:42.26 | jelly-home | danielboston26: do you get a menu at boot time? |
| 17:42.28 | danielboston26 | jelly-home i rebooted no where on the login page do i see a choice to boot into the command line |
| 17:42.32 | nsadmin | into a box that popped up? |
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| 17:42.52 | pidgeon1 | .htaccess? |
| 17:42.56 | pidgeon1 | sorry, confused |
| 17:43.05 | dark-sun | Is it possible to find out what "sequence number" is associated with a special daemon (like bluetooth)? |
| 17:43.08 | danielboston26 | you mean recovery mode |
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| 17:43.10 | jelly-home | danielboston26: before the login page, and before the system starts to boot, there ought to be a menu to choose kernel versions and "recovery" modes or not |
| 17:43.30 | mmu_man | plop |
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| 17:43.51 | jelly-home | danielboston26: at that point, follow the bot's advice |
| 17:44.03 | me-1 | hi...how to format a drive to FAT |
| 17:44.10 | nsadmin | ok, starting over on that part, I think cups web interface uses the .htaccess mechanism which is used to restrict who gets to see a particular url/dir |
| 17:44.25 | Chance | nsadmin any ideea ? |
| 17:44.32 | nsadmin | there's not a "log out" because there's not a session |
| 17:44.33 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: oh! |
| 17:44.42 | dark-sun | Is it possible to find out what "sequence number" is associated with a special daemon (like bluetooth)? |
| 17:45.09 | Chance | nsadmin is there any way i can actually increase that number ? |
| 17:45.14 | kNC | Hey all - Any ideas how I can boot straight to debian and not stop at the menu that gives me the option for debian recovery mode as well, and also how can I change the login screen display? |
| 17:45.14 | nsadmin | dark-sun, not sure what a sequence number would refer to |
| 17:45.14 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: then how do i change how it works? do i have to edit cupsd.conf? |
| 17:45.24 | themill | nsadmin: orly? http basic auth creates one. |
| 17:45.33 | pidgeon1 | i don't understand what to do |
| 17:46.01 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: i needed username and password but i think i was supposed to enter 'root' and my password? |
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| 17:46.10 | pidgeon1 | i use root and user - same passwords |
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| 17:46.35 | nsadmin | pidgeon1, you could use a web toolkit to build a user interface and implement sessions.. tall order maybe, and also maybe overkill. you would have to decide those things |
| 17:46.42 | kNC | Is this #httpd or #debian - lol |
| 17:47.07 | nsadmin | are you trying to protect the cups interface running on an internet-facing machine? |
| 17:47.09 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: no, that's way overkill |
| 17:47.46 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: no, but, i don't have root privileges, right? |
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| 17:48.21 | nsadmin | themill> maybe you could help him with specifics? I guess going out of the dir is the same as "logging out" (of cups admin)? |
| 17:48.32 | pidgeon1 | i added my 'user' name to the sys group or whatever it's called... only reason i could get the printer set up but not what i wanted |
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| 17:48.43 | themill | pidgeon1: if you add your user to the "lpadmin" group then your regular user is allowed to frig with cups config via the web interface. as root: "adduser yourusername lpadmin" |
| 17:48.44 | pidgeon1 | i want it back for just root |
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| 17:49.11 | pidgeon1 | themill: yes, that is what i did already! |
| 17:49.17 | pidgeon1 | themill: i didn't want it that way ;) |
| 17:49.32 | nsadmin | you could remove the user from the group? |
| 17:49.35 | pidgeon1 | i'm annoyed because it was the only way i could configure my printer |
| 17:49.43 | abrotman | this is bad? |
| 17:49.49 | themill | I'd rather give my user password to by browser than my root password... |
| 17:49.53 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: yeah, and then i can't mod printer settings |
| 17:49.53 | nsadmin | which you're finished doing now? |
| 17:50.07 | nsadmin | so you're not finished yet |
| 17:50.10 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: yeah |
| 17:50.19 | pidgeon1 | themill: that's a good point :) |
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| 17:50.40 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: i'm finished because i have no other choice :) |
| 17:50.40 | dark-sun | Is it possible to find out what "boot sequence number" is associated with a special daemon (like bluetooth)? |
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| 17:50.51 | nsadmin | I'm assuming that for you and many others, it's a set-and-forget thing |
| 17:51.15 | abrotman | dark-sun: ls /etc/rc2.d/ .. typically |
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| 17:51.31 | pidgeon1 | but, if someone used my machine and was just using it without root access, they could change the printer or delete it? |
| 17:51.53 | nsadmin | pidgeon1, http/web is stateless... so, you need something else to keep track of sessions (like cookies) |
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| 17:52.21 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: if i deleted cookies, it would be reset? |
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| 17:52.41 | pidgeon1 | that makes sense, if so |
| 17:52.45 | pidgeon1 | i hope |
| 17:53.04 | pidgeon1 | i just wanted the option to start over if i wanted ;) |
| 17:53.04 | nsadmin | pidgeon1, if the "login" process hands your browser a cookie and then interprets the receiving of it as permission to access |
| 17:53.08 | dark-sun | abrotman: so does "S04bluetooth " means it's boot sequence number is 04? |
| 17:53.22 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: that's what's going on, i think |
| 17:53.25 | Chance | nsadmin any ideea ? |
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| 17:53.37 | abrotman | dark-sun: in that run level, roughly, yes |
| 17:53.39 | nsadmin | also, if that is the case, you could make a logout button which resets that cookie |
| 17:54.03 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: how? |
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| 17:54.07 | nsadmin | that's not as overkill as a whole new interface :) |
| 17:54.37 | nsadmin | you'd have to look at the cookie spec and have the server send the appropriate headeer |
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| 17:54.44 | pidgeon1 | i thought i could find the cookie individually in browser settings? |
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| 17:54.50 | dark-sun | abrotman: humm.. i thought daemons have consistent boot sequence number. |
| 17:54.58 | abrotman | that is consistent ? |
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| 17:55.10 | Chance | How can i increase the file descriptors on my debian box ? cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max shows 100000 also sysctl -p shows it, also ulimit -n shows 1024 |
| 17:55.20 | pidgeon1 | i'm sure those questions sounded dumb :) |
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| 17:55.46 | pidgeon1 | but, i had to google how to edit cupsd.conf and what to put there! :-o |
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| 17:56.34 | dark-sun | abrotman: it can't be that! look I have "S03acpid" as well as "S03bind9" and "S03dbus" and other S03.. stuff here. boot sequence number should be unique to each daemon. |
| 17:56.40 | nsadmin | pidgeon1, sure, you could try that... then if you find the cookie that would be a pretty good indication it's using cookies for that purpose... proof would be "after removing cookie from browser, server asks for user/pass again" |
| 17:56.51 | karsten | dark-sun: No, it's not. |
| 17:56.54 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: the problem was originally, an old printer was displayed and shown as 'processing' and the current one was 'seen' as something else so i couldn't print at all |
| 17:57.02 | nsadmin | it would require some programming to make the server do that |
| 17:57.17 | abrotman | dark-sun: they don't have to be .. that's perfectly fine |
| 17:57.27 | karsten | dark-sun: Anything in S03 can be started independently of one another, but might be dependant on any prior level, or required by subsequent levels. |
| 17:57.34 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: right... i understand that... i hope so.... then I would at least understand what's going on ;) |
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| 17:57.55 | karsten | dark-sun: upstart and other init replacements have more explicit / complicated dependency logic. |
| 17:58.11 | nsadmin | unless someone actually did that already, you won't find a setting in the config file |
| 17:58.50 | nsadmin | but first, look to see if there's the cookie |
| 17:58.54 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: yeah, i just did that a little while ago.... it was the only thing i could think of to get 'privileges' to change the printer settings and delete the old one |
| 17:59.20 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: hehe, too late... but, i will |
| 17:59.35 | nsadmin | too late why? removed all cookies? |
| 17:59.52 | karsten | Is there a way / tool to scan a system for known security updates? |
| 18:00.09 | dark-sun | karsten: I got 4 daemon here starting with S01 (S01binftm-support, S01fancontrol, S01systlog and S01sudo). so how can I find out boot sequence numbers? |
| 18:00.12 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: no, i added my 'user' name to the lpadmin group or whatever it is so i could delete the old printer and get the current one working |
| 18:00.15 | karsten | Other than running an 'aptitude full-upgrade --show-only' or similar? |
| 18:00.32 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: maybe i'm not explaining it well.... |
| 18:01.18 | pidgeon1 | nsadmin: this is before we got the remove cookie idea...should have thought of that one though... |
| 18:01.51 | nsadmin | karsten, I guess that would be it... if security.d.o has updated packages for your squeeze, then presumably there's a known isuse |
| 18:02.11 | karsten | dark-sun: System collate order most likely. They're started via /etc/inittab or some script somewhere. C locale collate sequence determines globbing / directory order. |
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| 18:02.36 | karsten | nsadmin: Set of boxes I've recently inherited. |
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| 18:03.23 | pidgeon1 | what is the best tool to visually search? i use synaptic package manager ...but, lots of people say you should use aptitude to install.... right? |
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| 18:03.35 | abrotman | karsten: with apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 18:03.47 | abrotman | karsten: or any method at all ? |
| 18:04.06 | nsadmin | karsten, if there are not new packages from s.d.o, that doesn't necessarily mean there is not a known issue, as they might know byt havent uploaded a fix yet |
| 18:04.21 | dark-sun | karsten: I can't see, here it says something else http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot |
| 18:04.37 | karsten | abrotman: I'd like something that reports status w/o changing it. s.d.o reports specific package versions which are updated. It's a squeeze box, so any package with updates probably should be updated. |
| 18:05.27 | abrotman | karsten: well, a) you can configure cron-apt to do this b) aptitude search '~U' IIRC |
| 18:05.30 | abrotman | might be -U |
| 18:05.33 | abrotman | erm .. ~u |
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| 18:06.40 | karsten | abrotman: As I said: recently inhereted boxen, I'd like not to break things, trying to do an assessment. Fortunately there's some Debian/Ubuntu in the mix, the RHEL/CentOS boxen are a PITA. |
| 18:06.57 | nsadmin | Chance, maybe you can change the setting in ulimit by running ulimit with specific parameters... |
| 18:07.01 | abrotman | karsten: so aptitude update;aptitude '~U' |
| 18:07.22 | abrotman | karsten: also, debsecan will scan machines for known vulns |
| 18:07.25 | nsadmin | but I'm not familiar with the whole limits thing, never had to deal with it |
| 18:07.27 | abrotman | know in the debian world |
| 18:07.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: you accidentally in that last aptitude command |
| 18:07.46 | nsadmin | there could be wrinkles you need to know about |
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| 18:07.57 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh probably :) |
| 18:07.59 | dark-sun | oh shit! now I see |
| 18:08.05 | dark-sun | damn |
| 18:08.18 | abrotman | karsten: so aptitude update;aptitude search '~U' (thanks jelly) |
| 18:08.23 | karsten | abrotman: debsecan or debscan? |
| 18:08.25 | dark-sun | karsten: abrotman thank you |
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| 18:08.52 | abrotman | judd: info debsecan --release squeeze |
| 18:08.54 | judd | Package debsecan (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Debian Security Analyzer. Version: 0.4.14; Size: 33.8k; Installed: 180k |
| 18:08.56 | karsten | abrotman: NM. Cool. |
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| 18:08.59 | abrotman | not much of a description |
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| 18:09.30 | nsadmin | isn't that just the first line of the desc? |
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| 18:10.01 | kNC | Any idea how I can install a theme? Gnome is such a pos, it refuses to let me install any, even when I download from 'their' suggested site |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: i'm saying it's not a very good one :) |
| 18:10.49 | nsadmin | since it doen'st give more info than the package name |
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| 18:11.12 | mi-black | Shit :'( i broke my MBR >< |
| 18:11.16 | karsten | kNC: aptitude install wmaker. It's a great theme. I also suggest xmonad. |
| 18:11.25 | abrotman | kNC: did you click 'help' ? |
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| 18:12.03 | mi-black | Can i help me to choose the partition ? |
| 18:12.19 | abrotman | huh? |
| 18:12.26 | nsadmin | sure, if you know more than yourself! |
| 18:12.32 | kNC | will try it karsten thanks. |
| 18:12.33 | abrotman | mi-black: start with which version of Linux this is, and what you did to mess it up |
| 18:12.51 | karsten | abrotman: debsecan output is ... depressing. |
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| 18:13.24 | karsten | kNC: FYI, those are altnernative window managers. GNOME sucks. If you want to installa gnome theme, look elsewhere. |
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| 18:13.27 | abrotman | karsten: hehe .. also see, http://security-tracker.debian.net ... similar stuff .. but i think debsecan will tell you if you're missing a patch |
| 18:13.42 | Innocentus | OK, people. I just gave it up installing that PHP5.3 / Squeeze on a too old kernel. I will talk to provider instead. |
| 18:13.56 | kNC | karsten; if gnome sucks then why does debian have it as its choice of gui? lol. |
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| 18:14.11 | mi-black | (for the mbr isn't very a problem , i reinstall later ) |
| 18:14.12 | abrotman | kNC: it is *a* choice .. not the choice |
| 18:14.23 | ninuja | i did a fresh install of debian with grub and it hops straight to net boot. what should i do? |
| 18:14.29 | nsadmin | Innocentus, why are you using a language that makes incompatible changes every time it releases |
| 18:14.33 | abrotman | ninuja: did you take the CD out ? |
| 18:14.34 | mi-black | but i am hesitant with "partitionage" |
| 18:14.46 | karsten | kNC: mu |
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| 18:14.59 | kNC | mu? |
| 18:15.06 | abrotman | nsadmin: not helpful |
| 18:15.06 | Innocentus | nsadmin: I just 'enjoyed' the answers from the #web channel after asking for a better framework / language alternative... |
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| 18:15.12 | ninuja | abrotman:i did it from usb and my usb but no |
| 18:15.13 | Innocentus | nsadmin: #web can very evil |
| 18:15.28 | abrotman | Innocentus: did you try compiling it yourself? |
| 18:15.49 | karsten | !tell kNC about mu |
| 18:15.50 | Innocentus | one time yes, but it was horror |
| 18:15.56 | kNC | and oh em gee. 99 updates available :< |
| 18:16.04 | abrotman | Innocentus: well, if that's what you need, that's what you need .. |
| 18:16.06 | Innocentus | abrotman: many sources and compilers and dependencies and so on |
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| 18:16.19 | Innocentus | abrotman: is there a PHP compile tool which makes the process easier for me? |
| 18:16.23 | abrotman | Innocentus: i'm not sure what you're doing .. but uhm, last time i compiled PHP, it took like 10 minutes |
| 18:16.34 | abrotman | (not making packages) |
| 18:16.44 | nsadmin | there's a lot of existing code written for php, and I don't know how else it becomes obsolete other than "new php point release" |
| 18:16.53 | Innocentus | abrotman: and I can still use the php5-* extensions from apt with the compiled PHP or not? |
| 18:16.56 | karsten | sings: 99 updates of debs on the wall, 99 updates of debs ... |
| 18:16.58 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 18:17.07 | kNC | haha |
| 18:17.12 | daemonkeeper | PHP extensions are linked against the Zend API |
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| 18:17.24 | daemonkeeper | You need to re-compile every extension yourself. |
| 18:17.24 | abrotman | Innocentus: doubtful .. they'd be binary-incompatible |
| 18:17.27 | RichardC | Hey, everyone! I am looking to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy or sid. Section 3.1 of the Debian FAQ recommends sid for an experienced linux user (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1). However, the Debian releases page suggests that wheezy might be a better match. What do you guys think? |
| 18:17.40 | karsten | kNC: Whether or not GNOME is the default destkop, you can change it easily enough. |
| 18:17.44 | abrotman | RichardC: if you're asking, use squeeze |
| 18:17.52 | abrotman | RichardC: if you're going to ignore us anyway, use wheezy |
| 18:17.53 | karsten | RichardC: If you have to ask, use squeeze. |
| 18:18.04 | abrotman | RichardC: if it breaks, don't say we didn't tell you |
| 18:18.05 | nsadmin | RichardC, and experienced specifically with debian |
| 18:18.06 | RichardC | abrotman: I am currently using squeeze but i want a little newer software |
| 18:18.13 | faw | RichardC, it's easier to go from wheezy to sid, so start with wheezy |
| 18:18.33 | RichardC | thanks everyone |
| 18:18.40 | abrotman | RichardC: that's nice .. but wheezy and sid break |
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| 18:18.56 | abrotman | sometimes badly |
| 18:19.02 | nsadmin | RichardC, then you're better off finding a backport, backporting yourself, or compiling yourself, in decreasing order of recommendation |
| 18:19.05 | RichardC | I expect a kink or two but nothing too serious |
| 18:19.07 | kNC | ya i have read that somewhere karsten. got to do it slowly though. dont wanna mess around |
| 18:19.13 | mi-black | 350 Mb ext3 for / 9 gb ext3 for /usr 3 gb ext3 fo /var 6,1 gb swap 400 mb ext 3 for /tmp and 46 gb ext3 for /home and 1 part of disk to 185 Gb for windows is correct ? |
| 18:19.26 | abrotman | RichardC: you mean like uh .. X not working? |
| 18:19.31 | RichardC | how do you guys feel about just using squeeze with backports before trying wheezy |
| 18:19.40 | RichardC | abrotman: si |
| 18:19.47 | abrotman | RichardC: that's pretty serious to a lot of people |
| 18:20.02 | RichardC | abrotman: X breaking is serious to me, too |
| 18:20.06 | abrotman | http://release.debian.org/transitions/ |
| 18:20.15 | abrotman | RichardC: right .. and if you have nvidia/ati/amd, that happens a fair amount |
| 18:20.16 | mi-black | pls ? |
| 18:20.40 | RichardC | abrotman: none of that on this early 2000s laptop |
| 18:20.46 | Innocentus | ok, so there will be a happy compiling time :) |
| 18:20.54 | Innocentus | how do you handle updates? svn checkout and recompile? |
| 18:21.04 | abrotman | RichardC: your call .. if you need your machine to work (instead of working on your machine), use squeeze |
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| 18:21.24 | RichardC | abrotman: i like the way you phrased that |
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| 18:21.45 | karsten | mi-black: I'd give more space to /var |
| 18:21.52 | abrotman | RichardC: sad, but true :) |
| 18:22.18 | nsadmin | RichardC, well first off it's your machine... you can obviously do what you want... people here want to discourage everyone by discouraging you and having others hear, as this is a scalable approach |
| 18:22.44 | karsten | mi-black: 9-12GB /usr, 6GB /var, 1-6 GB /tmp, ~500MB - 1GB /. 3x RAM swap. Balance to /home |
| 18:22.53 | sarguru_ | I need to actually pass a parameter to a module at the boot time. Will creating a file in modprobe.conf work? |
| 18:24.00 | nsadmin | sarguru_, you mean at the time the module is inserted? |
| 18:24.01 | mi-black | ext3 or 4? |
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| 18:24.31 | nsadmin | mi-black, to make that decision read about the difference |
| 18:24.37 | sarguru_ | nsadmin, actually i need to make the dasd disks in ibm systemz online |
| 18:25.02 | nsadmin | dasd? |
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| 18:25.36 | sarguru_ | nsadmin, i mean dsa disk |
| 18:25.57 | sarguru_ | sorry *das disk |
| 18:26.01 | nsadmin | so they're remote volumes? |
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| 18:26.18 | kuznetzvo | yuo're the only other person here i've seen mention "systemZ" |
| 18:26.26 | sarguru_ | they are actually physically attached remote volume |
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| 18:26.43 | sarguru_ | kuznetzvo, who else mentions it? |
| 18:26.49 | kuznetzvo | me lol |
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| 18:27.00 | Snakes | LaptopBrain I aint seen you in ages ;o |
| 18:27.04 | kuznetzvo | i interviewed for an RACF job.. haven't heard back yet. still hopeful. |
| 18:27.07 | sarguru_ | kuznetzvo, lol |
| 18:27.08 | Snakes | One from InspIRCd? |
| 18:27.39 | Snakes | is there a command on debian server version to see what bandwidh each process is using? |
| 18:27.40 | sarguru_ | nsadmin, so I guess dasd_mod module in the boot time loads |
| 18:27.50 | sarguru_ | Snakes, iftop |
| 18:28.06 | karsten | sarguru_: dasd? Are you on Zseries HW? |
| 18:28.07 | Snakes | thanks |
| 18:28.15 | mi-black | nsadmin you lost me :x |
| 18:28.24 | vikas | We have an online filter at office that tried to scan every file/web-page that is downloaded. This increases the time taken to download anything significantly. Which means that installing packages using synaptic or apt is pretty much unusable since they timeout. I've tried "synaptic -o APT::http::Timeout=some_large_number", but that doesn't work. Is there any other way? |
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| 18:28.51 | abrotman | vikas: that's a really slow filter |
| 18:28.57 | thechef | How can I deactivate 3rd-mouse-button emulation? |
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| 18:29.27 | kuznetzvo | sounds like bluecoats proxyav shit |
| 18:29.29 | vikas | abrotman: yes, and retarded. But unfortunately doesn't change the fact that I've to live with it :( |
| 18:29.37 | vikas | kuznetzvo: how did you guess? |
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| 18:29.44 | mi-black | Cab i talk you in private ? |
| 18:29.47 | kuznetzvo | because i used to administer that |
| 18:29.49 | olksdool_ | hey guys, how do i clear out the .deb packages tha ti have installed |
| 18:30.03 | mi-black | can* |
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| 18:30.10 | kuznetzvo | when i came in to the department one of the first things i did was remove that sorry piece of shit. never found anything dangerous that the endpoint software didn't find anyway |
| 18:30.13 | vikas | kuznetzvo: sorry about that :) |
| 18:30.25 | kNC | abrotman, or karsten; would either of you know how to change my startup method? It keeps bringing me to the gui screen of recovery mode and not recovery mode. is there a way that that I can just boot into the system w/o it? |
| 18:30.28 | nsadmin | sarguru_, you can run modinfo dasd_mod to see various things about it including what parameters it takes when insertign |
| 18:30.29 | sarguru_ | nsadmin, thanks and I should pass that parameter through creating a file in the modeprobe.d directory right |
| 18:30.29 | nsadmin | probably |
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| 18:30.50 | sarguru_ | karsten, yeah |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | !tell kNC about nodm |
| 18:30.55 | vikas | kuznetzvo: so is there a way around it or atleast get apt-get working? |
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| 18:31.37 | abrotman | vikas: and you have to use the proxy? |
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| 18:31.46 | vikas | abrotman: yes |
| 18:31.51 | abrotman | vikas: for ftp also ? |
| 18:31.52 | kuznetzvo | it doesn't scan ssl traffic, at least unless you're doing ssl intercept. not everybody gets that working. you could also ask for the team to put in an exemption for whatever user-agent apt-get is using that allows it through without scanning |
| 18:31.56 | sarguru_ | karsten, and I am having a tough time with it |
| 18:32.33 | kuznetzvo | i've only seen it scan http |
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| 18:32.43 | vikas | I've configured apt to use the proxy. That works. The blucoat stuff is preventing anything larger than a few kb from being downloaded because it's taking so much time. |
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| 18:32.54 | kuznetzvo | but the way ftp works you gotta connect to the proxy first port 21 the USERNAME@remotehost then password fubar to get it to connect to what you want |
| 18:32.59 | karsten | sarguru_: Last time I used it it was called S390 and I was using TSO/ISPF under CM/MVS |
| 18:32.59 | abrotman | vikas: it scans ftp also ? |
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| 18:33.14 | karsten | sarguru_: Never run Linux on that kit myself. |
| 18:33.26 | sarguru_ | karsten, the architecture is called s390 still |
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| 18:33.44 | vikas | kuznetzvo: ok, I can try ssl. But talking to IT here to get to add any excweption is out of the question. They forcibly moved me out of thunderbird and into using outlook. So you can guess what they'll do to my request :) |
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| 18:34.06 | kuznetzvo | if apt-get uses a specific user-agent in the http request then it's REALLY easy to make a policy object for that user-agent and just not scan for whatever that useragent is grabbing. |
| 18:34.11 | karsten | OK. I thought it was zSeries / zOS now. It was S390 / OS390 then. |
| 18:34.15 | vikas | abrotman: i'm not sure if it scans ftp. |
| 18:34.25 | vikas | kuznetzvo: fortunately we don't have a auth proxy |
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| 18:34.31 | kuznetzvo | that's really very little risk. they're scanning traffic through proxy probably only for the off chance they'll have a signature for some random windows malware somebody is about to get hit with |
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| 18:34.44 | sarguru_ | karsten, the hardware support is quiet good still but there are no documentaions on volume management |
| 18:35.00 | sarguru_ | karsten, so my work is doubled with debian |
| 18:35.04 | abrotman | vikas: so try it and find out |
| 18:35.11 | kuznetzvo | if your apt-get isn't working, then they need to provide a solution. the user-agent policy to not scan would be what i would suggest |
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| 18:35.41 | sarguru_ | karsten, and I dont prefer using RHEL or SELS for my solutions |
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| 18:35.51 | vikas | kuznetzvo: well, i installed debian on my whim on a VM. I'm quite sure they'll say it's against the policy and other shit like that |
| 18:35.53 | mi-black | 46 gb ext3 for /home ? and 3 gb ext3 fo /var ? |
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| 18:36.16 | kuznetzvo | tell them it's a dev box for whatever the most complicated thing you can think of is that's related to your job function. |
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| 18:36.53 | kuznetzvo | security group isn't supposed to say "no" to every request. they're supposed to say "how about we do it a better way, like this..." |
| 18:37.08 | vikas | kuznetzvo: yes, I tried that with a guy from IT who I'm friends with and he looked at me like I'd get him fired or something |
| 18:37.26 | kuznetzvo | do they block outbound access on port 21? (eg ftp traffic) |
| 18:37.36 | vikas | kuznetzvo: Yes, I agree. But that doesn't work in big corporations :( |
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| 18:37.54 | vikas | I don't hink so, let me try getting to the debian package repository via ftp |
| 18:37.54 | kuznetzvo | i worked in a big corporation =p every company culture is different though. some people are just dicks. |
| 18:38.13 | kuznetzvo | try something known good, too.. like ftp.irs.gov (i like using them for testing, just because) |
| 18:38.20 | sarguru_ | kuznetzvo, +1 |
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| 18:39.44 | vikas | I'm trying to get this file using firefox, just to check : ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian6.0.2/Contents-kfreebsd-i386.gz |
| 18:40.17 | kuznetzvo | i'd mess with command line ftp before trying firefox. filezilla is an option, too |
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| 18:40.55 | sarguru_ | vikas, even that will go through the same port dude |
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| 18:41.23 | abrotman | vikas: try ftp, try p2p .. there are other methods |
| 18:41.36 | kuznetzvo | run a netstat while you are fucking around so you can see what it's doing |
| 18:41.38 | abrotman | if they're only scanning http .. (that'd be dumb, but whatever) .. you have ways around it |
| 18:41.40 | sarguru_ | vikas, if they filter your traffic i guess you have to for p2p |
| 18:42.11 | vikas | hmm, ssh is allowed. is there a way to get stuff through ssh tunelling? |
| 18:42.42 | kuznetzvo | if they allow port 22 direct outbound access i bet they'd allow port 21.. |
| 18:43.10 | kuznetzvo | it's pretty stupid to allow any direct outbound access if you're going to the trouble of using proxyAV though lol |
| 18:43.23 | vikas | :) |
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| 18:43.41 | vikas | They probably thought ssh == "Secure" shell :p |
| 18:43.49 | sarguru_ | vikas, :) |
| 18:43.51 | nsadmin | sarguru_, the config file is either files in /etc/modprobe.d IF /etc/modprobe.conf is not found... the latter defines the format of any of these files, which is specified in man 5 modprobe.conf |
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| 18:44.27 | sarguru_ | nsadmin, thanks. will try it out |
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| 18:45.16 | vikas | so next question, how do i set apt-get to use ftp instead of http? |
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| 18:45.23 | kuznetzvo | that was highly annoying. |
| 18:45.31 | Vasistha | I'm connecting to a server via dhcp, and for some reason my gateway is not being assigned, and I have to do it manually with the route command. Any idea how I can fix this and make it automatic? |
| 18:45.36 | valdyn | vikas: why would you do that? |
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| 18:45.38 | Vasistha | still using lenny :P |
| 18:45.46 | valdyn | vikas: to make it slower? |
| 18:45.57 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, do you have access to dhcp |
| 18:46.02 | vikas | valdyn: it'd still be faster than what i have now :) see above.. |
| 18:46.12 | Vasistha | sarguru_: don't understand your question |
| 18:46.21 | nsadmin | Vasistha, what is your gateway? |
| 18:46.29 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, do you have access to check your dhcp settings |
| 18:46.31 | Vasistha | nsadmin: 172.30.28.1 |
| 18:46.38 | valdyn | vikas: apt-get uses whatever your sources.list sais: ftp:// is ftp, http:// is http, just find an ftp mirror |
| 18:46.50 | Vasistha | sarguru_: I can be root on my own system if that's what you mean. If you're referring to the server's settings, then no. |
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| 18:47.01 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, else you can edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:47.05 | nsadmin | no, not what IP, what is it... a linksys? what? |
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| 18:47.19 | oom8ail | hi there |
| 18:47.20 | Vasistha | nsadmin: no idea. I'm a guest at the University of Winchester |
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| 18:47.25 | sarguru_ | set a static IP |
| 18:47.27 | Vasistha | ...and their IT help desk is closed now |
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| 18:47.44 | nsadmin | Vasistha, do you have an internal NATed net in your room? |
| 18:47.56 | oom8ail | does anyone know how many filesystems may be mounted during system boot via fstab? is there a limit? |
| 18:48.12 | Vasistha | nsadmin: in my room? uh I don't think so |
| 18:48.24 | Vasistha | nsadmin: I mean... I don't really know... but I haven't set anything special up |
| 18:48.28 | vikas | valdyn: thanks, I had forgotten about that. combination of macosx and windows7 for the past few months has made me rusty |
| 18:48.36 | Vasistha | sarguru_: I don't think static ip is a viable option here |
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| 18:48.44 | nsadmin | so, you have exactly one machine? |
| 18:49.10 | Vasistha | nsadmin: yes. |
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| 18:49.36 | nsadmin | and no other networking hardware (no connected hubs, switches, little plastic routers, etc) |
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| 18:49.46 | Vasistha | the situation is this: I am sitting in this room with my laptop, and the internet's working (but whenever I disconnect and reconnect I have to jump through hoops to figure out the gateway, which *changes* ;) |
| 18:50.10 | Vasistha | nsadmin: nothing, nothing. Just my laptop, an ethernet cable, and a wall jack supplied by the university. |
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| 18:50.16 | sarguru_ | have a script to delete and put the correct gw :p |
| 18:50.29 | sarguru_ | and run it on cron a:p |
| 18:50.46 | nsadmin | Vasistha, ok, do you have pastebinit? if no, aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 18:51.12 | Vasistha | sarguru_: I'm not really sure how to figure out the correct gateway. The only way I got one at all was by this hack: for i in {0..50}; do { ping 172.30.$i.1 -c 1 &>/dev/null && echo $i >>jjj; } & done |
| 18:51.28 | Vasistha | nsadmin: installing pastebinit... |
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| 18:52.02 | kuznetzvo | back when i worked at my last place, whenever i needed to torrent something or needed direct access, i'd plug into the outside-facing switch, plug in a public static IP, and let it run |
| 18:52.04 | Vasistha | jjj had a "28" in it, and so I assigned that. Dunno how to figure it out otherwise |
| 18:52.12 | nsadmin | then, cat /etc/network/interfaces | pastebinit |
| 18:52.19 | kuznetzvo | since you couldn't access the internal network at the same time, they didn't have a problem with whatever you had to do |
| 18:52.23 | nsadmin | then tell the url it says here |
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| 18:52.43 | nsadmin | (this will show your interfaces file to everyone here) |
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| 18:53.03 | Vasistha | nsadmin: err... I can copy and paste that just fine without "pastebinit" but anyway :) |
| 18:53.24 | Vasistha | nsadmin: or I can just put it inline: the line we're looking at is: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:53.30 | nsadmin | convenient shortcut so you don't have to paste here |
| 18:53.33 | Vasistha | the rest is comments (and auto lo / iface lo inet loopback) |
| 18:53.41 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, so the dhcp is configured in a wrong way |
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| 18:53.56 | Vasistha | sarguru_: by the server? |
| 18:54.10 | nsadmin | please show the file... I don't want to read a description when there's better evidence |
| 18:54.37 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, I guess. I dont find your interface definition wrong. Anyway I guess its better to see the whole file. |
| 18:54.38 | nsadmin | but, that sounds right... ifup eth0 doesn't bring you up? |
| 18:54.45 | Vasistha | http://pastebin.com/9bvZnz92 |
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| 18:54.51 | nsadmin | thank you |
| 18:54.58 | Vasistha | nsadmin: route doesn't create a default gateway |
| 18:55.33 | vikas | kuznetzvo: nice :) |
| 18:56.01 | kuznetzvo | jesus just a couple DNS servers |
| 18:56.07 | Vasistha | here's route output after ifup eth0: http://paste.debian.net/125528/ |
| 18:56.12 | kuznetzvo | ahaha and 4.2.2.2 at the end, cute |
| 18:56.21 | Vasistha | so I have to manually figure out what the gateway is, and then do a route add |
| 18:56.43 | Vasistha | I have the same trouble at my brother's place, but there it is simpler as the gateway doesn't change |
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| 18:57.17 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, what happens when you dhclient eth0 |
| 18:57.27 | nsadmin | Vasistha, that looks good... there's a default route pointing to a gw and everything |
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| 18:58.06 | Vasistha | nsadmin: sorry, pasted the current one -- the default one is not there just after ifup eth0. |
| 18:58.07 | kuznetzvo | I agree. I don't see what's goofy there.. except that you probably don't need that many dns servers.. not sure why localhost is specified in dns search either unless you're running bind =p |
| 18:58.17 | kuznetzvo | ah |
| 18:58.38 | nsadmin | Vasistha, try this: leave from irc, ifdown eth0, ifup eth0, see if you get a gw |
| 18:58.49 | Vasistha | nsadmin: I get only the first line |
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| 18:59.07 | nsadmin | ok, that would seem to be upstream |
| 18:59.08 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, what happens when you dhclient eth0 |
| 18:59.09 | Vasistha | I'm not sure what that even means... I guess 172.30.0.0 is the "broadcast" address... whatever that is? |
| 18:59.29 | sarguru_ | it measn ur connected to this network adddress |
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| 18:59.36 | kuznetzvo | so your subnet probably is 255.255.0.0 |
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| 18:59.42 | sarguru_ | and you can ping any ip of this range directly |
| 18:59.44 | nsadmin | no, the network address (bcast would be 172.30.255.255) |
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| 19:00.09 | sarguru_ | network and broad cast are different |
| 19:00.15 | sarguru_ | i guess |
| 19:00.16 | Vasistha | in other words, that is the address of the network that I am on? |
| 19:00.23 | sarguru_ | yeah |
| 19:00.28 | Vasistha | ahha. cool. |
| 19:00.28 | sarguru_ | absolutely right |
| 19:00.30 | vikas | what is the unit that APT::http::Timeout uses? |
| 19:00.43 | Vasistha | okay, I'll be back after I test the dhclient thing |
| 19:00.51 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, so I see the first usable IP as the gw |
| 19:01.07 | nsadmin | yeah, you can see in his route output first line, the mask is /16 |
| 19:01.11 | vikas | I've given what I think is a fairly large number : 500000, but it's still timing out |
| 19:01.45 | vikas | kuznetzvo: you mentioned earlier about uising port 21, how do I do that? |
| 19:01.54 | kuznetzvo | you do that whenever you use ftp. |
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| 19:02.14 | vikas | yeah, I changed http to ftp in sources.list and that's timing out too |
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| 19:02.39 | kuznetzvo | ah, bugger |
| 19:02.47 | sarguru_ | vikas, are you facing problems in apt due to proxy? |
| 19:02.51 | nsadmin | vikas, what machine name is the mirror? |
| 19:03.13 | kuznetzvo | he's getting issues with apt due to proxyAV, not necessarily the proxy =p |
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| 19:03.21 | kuznetzvo | it is a *very* shity product. |
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| 19:03.30 | nsadmin | (everything between http:// and /) |
| 19:03.31 | Vasistha | http://paste.debian.net/125531/ |
| 19:03.32 | vikas | right, it's not the proxy, it;s the stupid blucoat thing |
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| 19:04.02 | Vasistha | as expected... dhclient is automatically run on ifup eth0. |
| 19:04.36 | state | hi. i just upgraded to wheezy, and i can't quite figure out what happened to my iptables. when i run iptables -L as root i get no rules, but i can't seem to see a service running on :3000. also, when i try to add new rules i get strange errors about the arguments. |
| 19:04.53 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, Yeah. Im almost sure that the dhcp server has some issues |
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| 19:05.14 | Xanthine | bugger. |
| 19:05.21 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, I think dhcp hasnt provided you a nameserver as wekk |
| 19:05.28 | Vasistha | sarguru_: that wouldn't surprise me terribly... |
| 19:05.54 | nsadmin | you could try the dhcp3 client |
| 19:06.02 | Vasistha | sarguru_: well, actually it does - nameserver 192.168.100.15 (and .16) |
| 19:06.14 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, Is the Ip of the gateway changing everytime |
| 19:06.19 | Vasistha | nsadmin: that sounds like not a bad idea |
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| 19:06.28 | Vasistha | sarguru_: well, it has changed once on me, and I don't know when it might change again |
| 19:06.45 | nsadmin | , versions dhcp2-client |
| 19:06.47 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'dhcp2-client' was found in i386. |
| 19:06.53 | nsadmin | , versions dhcp3-client |
| 19:06.54 | judd | Package dhcp3-client on i386 -- lenny: 3.1.1-6+lenny4; lenny-proposed-updates: 3.1.1-6+lenny5; lenny-security: 3.1.1-6+lenny5; squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze2; sid: 4.1.1-P1-17; wheezy: 4.1.1-P1-17 |
| 19:07.03 | sarguru_ | Vasistha, we will know if you use the dhcp3 client if the problem is with the dhcp server |
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| 19:07.34 | nsadmin | that package should replace the package of the existing client |
| 19:07.37 | themill | you'll note that package doesn't actually contain dhcp3-client at all |
| 19:07.47 | themill | ,info dhcp3-client |
| 19:07.48 | judd | Package dhcp3-client (oldlibs, extra) in squeeze/i386: ISC DHCP server (transitional package). Version: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze2; Size: 24.8k; Installed: 60k |
| 19:07.52 | Vasistha | I have dhcp3-client installed already; I also have udhcpc installed |
| 19:07.53 | themill | (also check the package version) |
| 19:08.38 | Vasistha | http://pastebin.com/2SK2gnCD |
| 19:08.45 | nsadmin | is there a way to have the client be verbose as to what it's receiving? |
| 19:09.12 | sarguru_ | nsadmin, tcpdump will do i guess |
| 19:09.51 | nsadmin | wouldn't that be like viewing the matrix in raw mode? |
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| 19:12.43 | spal | When I try opcontrol --setup --event=CYCLES:1000, I get this error message: 'No such event "CYCLES"'. I was trying out this article: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/systems/library/es-oprofile/ |
| 19:12.46 | spal | what is the right way to do this? |
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| 19:16.27 | sarguru__ | Vasistha, any progress |
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| 19:17.16 | vikas | abrotman, kuznetzvo : I tried setting the proxy IP and the port to 8080, instead of just http://proxy-hostname/ (which is what is widely pulicized), that seems to do the tric |
| 19:17.22 | vikas | s/tric/trick/ |
| 19:17.30 | Vasistha | sarguru__: I'm not sure what I should be doing right now... nsadmin suggested that I try dhcp3-client but it is already installed ... is some other client also installed? |
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| 19:17.39 | nsadmin | looking at ls -l /sbin/dhclient*, I get dhclient and dhclient3, former is symlink to latter |
| 19:17.47 | kuznetzvo | yes, i don't know why you wouldn't use the ip and port :) |
| 19:17.56 | kuznetzvo | *never* trust a wpad.dat |
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| 19:18.17 | twobitsprite | someone should change the link in <bind9 chroot> to http://mindref.blogspot.com/2010/12/debian-chroot-bind9.html |
| 19:18.25 | twobitsprite | that's a much better howto |
| 19:18.43 | twobitsprite | not sure who has access to do that |
| 19:18.54 | abrotman | vikas: so sad .. but good |
| 19:19.10 | olksdool_ | is there a standard syslog listening port |
| 19:19.20 | imatsu | alguien conoce algún servicio por el cual pueda subir archivos a un servidor a través del puerto 80 |
| 19:19.20 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: anyone basically (even you!) |
| 19:19.27 | abrotman | twobitsprite: done |
| 19:19.29 | imatsu | anyone know of a service by which you can upload to a server through port 80 |
| 19:19.54 | vikas | abrotman, kuznetzvo : yeah :) It progressed beyond the last time I tried. But still need to see if it works on some big package. So trying to install emacs now... |
| 19:20.04 | twobitsprite | abrotman: cool |
| 19:20.09 | olksdool_ | imatsu, apache |
| 19:20.27 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: ahh... what's the syntax to to do a s///? I tried "bind9 chroot ~= s/.../.../ |
| 19:20.32 | kuznetzvo | at my last job i actually rewrote the wpad.dat for the windows team because it was so fubar |
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| 19:20.50 | imatsu | olksdool_, how? |
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| 19:21.13 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: =~ |
| 19:21.28 | olksdool_ | imatsu, multipart-form encoding |
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| 19:21.59 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: but use a different delimiter for s### to avoid escaping all the / |
| 19:22.01 | vikas | kuznetzvo: heh :) and I was trying to get the exchange admin to figure out an Exchange bug and he refused. He told me to switch clients (from thudnerbird to Outlook) because of a server bug! |
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| 19:22.17 | kuznetzvo | well to be fair, i would have done the same =p |
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| 19:22.23 | kuznetzvo | but i'm a lazy asshole |
| 19:22.37 | imatsu | olksdool_, thanks |
| 19:22.42 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: ahh, of course... my syldexic self... and yes, I actually used , instead of / |
| 19:22.45 | Vasistha | sarguru__: I don't know of a way to see more output from whatever dhcp client is running... I looked around google, but turned up nothign |
| 19:22.55 | Mi-black | Youpi ... Wireless : non géré |
| 19:22.58 | Mi-black | ... |
| 19:23.07 | eliasson_ | Hey! How can I get the file directory from the string '/archive/Archive/Foo Bar/My holiday.avi' using e.g. cut or awk? |
| 19:23.08 | sarguru__ | Vasistha, I dont think you can get it in a tidy way |
| 19:23.19 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: dirname |
| 19:23.21 | kuznetzvo | my attitude is that if you want to use some application besides the one we support, you can, but i'm probably not going to help you figure out any issues with it :) |
| 19:23.22 | Mi-black | i very need helps :x |
| 19:23.40 | sarguru__ | Vasistha, you can run a packet sniffer and see each packet in the matrix form |
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| 19:24.00 | Vasistha | sarguru__: um. I don't know if I want to get that ... involved |
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| 19:24.24 | Vasistha | sarguru__: I really appreciate your help looking at it, though. |
| 19:24.37 | catsup | eliasson_: man dirname |
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| 19:25.10 | vikas | thanks guys, seems like i'm set. I'll get some sleep now |
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| 19:25.46 | eliasson_ | twobitsprite, catsup: And how can I get the filename while we're at it? :) |
| 19:25.47 | sarguru__ | Vasistha, Yeah. I guess the problem must be with the dhcp and awkward network design |
| 19:25.48 | eliasson_ | Thanks btw |
| 19:25.53 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: filename |
| 19:26.05 | twobitsprite | er, basename |
| 19:27.22 | Mi-black | How can i use wireless on debian? (He says me : not managed) |
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| 19:27.45 | babilen | Mi-black: Who says that? |
| 19:27.56 | twobitsprite | !tell Mi-black about wireless |
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| 19:28.36 | babilen | Mi-black: I take a shot in the dark and assume that you are using network-manager -- That has to be configured to use your device, /msg dpkg network-manager and also read its README.Debian |
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| 19:28.46 | Vasistha | babilen: assumably he's referring to the computer with "he" |
| 19:29.23 | babilen | Vasistha: but, but ... computers don't talk (yet! I'm on it!) |
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| 19:30.08 | Vasistha | babilen: sure they do, haven't you ever used a GPS with those horrible voice instructions? |
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| 19:30.55 | eliasson_ | twobitsprite: Thanks. |
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| 19:31.37 | eliasson_ | This is odd, I run #!/bin/bash or #!/bin/sh in the beginning of a script, but it says that both 'find' and 'dirname' cannot be found. I must use the absolute path. |
| 19:31.41 | eliasson_ | Why is that? |
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| 19:31.55 | olksdool_ | eliasson_, echo $PATH |
| 19:32.04 | shirish | hi all, dumb question, what is the bar called 'title bar' or some other name where minimize, maximize and close (X) are ? |
| 19:32.16 | eliasson_ | olksdool_: /usr/bin/ is listed there |
| 19:32.43 | olksdool_ | eliasson_, hmm |
| 19:32.50 | olksdool_ | shirish, title bar |
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| 19:33.00 | eliasson_ | s# echo $PATH |
| 19:33.00 | eliasson_ | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 19:33.06 | eliasson_ | Seems right to me. |
| 19:33.14 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: how about from your script? |
| 19:33.19 | eliasson_ | sec |
| 19:33.27 | eliasson_ | Oh crap. Nevermind |
| 19:33.31 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 19:33.32 | eliasson_ | So so stupid :) |
| 19:33.39 | olksdool_ | i knew it! |
| 19:33.41 | eliasson_ | I had PATH='/foo/bar' :DD |
| 19:33.44 | eliasson_ | My god. Thanks dude. |
| 19:33.49 | twobitsprite | hehe, np |
| 19:33.55 | Mi-black | Haha ... good that :'( Error mounting mount exited with exit code 1 |
| 19:34.10 | Mi-black | On mount of my usb keys |
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| 19:35.28 | danielboston26 | for some reason debian is rejecting my root password i have changed it but its still not working |
| 19:35.54 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: not accepting it where? |
| 19:35.59 | joltcan | danielboston26: over console, ssh, su? |
| 19:36.01 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: console login, ssh? |
| 19:36.10 | danielboston26 | can't login as root or do sudo |
| 19:36.23 | danielboston26 | both times it tells me the password is wrong |
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| 19:37.47 | danielboston26 | however if i boot into the command line and login as root it works |
| 19:38.00 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: where are you trying to log in? |
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| 19:38.18 | olksdool_ | does syslog have a log |
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| 19:38.26 | danielboston26 | at the login page |
| 19:38.27 | olksdool_ | i want to see if it is sending to my remote server or not |
| 19:38.38 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: you mean, the gdm graphical login screen? |
| 19:39.03 | danielboston26 | yes |
| 19:39.06 | twobitsprite | don't do that |
| 19:39.14 | twobitsprite | why do you need to run gnome as root? |
| 19:39.19 | twobitsprite | (or, kde, or whatever) |
| 19:39.28 | eliasson_ | Hey. I wish to make a for-loop for each directory that has an *.r01-file but my script now does not work if the path is containing spaces ( ). Please see: |
| 19:39.31 | eliasson_ | http://pastebin.com/Bgv7gzkb |
| 19:39.44 | danielboston26 | im running debian on a vm trying to install the drivers i need to be root and i can't sudo |
| 19:39.50 | danielboston26 | it tells me the password is wrong |
| 19:39.56 | eliasson_ | A directory as /archive/Archive/foo bar/file.avi |
| 19:40.01 | eliasson_ | will be shown as |
| 19:40.04 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: you should put your user's password in the sudo prompt, not root's |
| 19:40.05 | eliasson_ | /archive/Archive/foo |
| 19:40.07 | eliasson_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.29 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: unless you have specifically configured sudo to require the root password, but that's not the default |
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| 19:40.55 | danielboston26 | if i try my password it says im not in the sudoers file |
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| 19:41.13 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: ok, so run "su" and give it roots password, then add yourself to the sudoers file |
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| 19:41.30 | zastaph | my PATH was reset somehow. Now I'd like to install Debian from scratch, but this time with some kind of configuration management and/or version control of all important config files. What can you recommend? |
| 19:41.46 | istevenmon | hi guys, what do you recommend to get network statistics on what ip generate more traffic, which web page is the more accessed etc? |
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| 19:41.49 | danielboston26 | how do i do that twobitsprite? |
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| 19:42.30 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: do: find $SCANDIR -name *.r01 | while read i; ... |
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| 19:42.44 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: then make sure you use $i in quotes |
| 19:43.22 | danielboston26 | twobitsprite how do i add myself to sudoers file? |
| 19:43.27 | twobitsprite | danielboston26: man sudoers |
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| 19:43.57 | JyZyXEL | how do you give non-root users access for USB devices in squeeze? |
| 19:44.03 | eliasson_ | twobitsprite: Now sure I follow. |
| 19:44.10 | eliasson_ | # find /archive/Archive/ -name *.r01 | while read i; echo "$i" |
| 19:44.10 | eliasson_ | > |
| 19:44.19 | olksdool_ | JyZyXEL, same as every other distro |
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| 19:44.25 | JyZyXEL | how would that be? |
| 19:44.29 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001 |
| 19:44.48 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: while requires a do/done block... |
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| 19:44.52 | olksdool_ | JyZyXEL, you set the umask in /etc/fstab google for it |
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| 19:45.08 | twobitsprite | eliasson_: also: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DontReadLinesWithFor |
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| 19:45.26 | eliasson_ | twobitsprite: Thanks mate :) |
| 19:45.29 | Vasistha | JyZyXEL: they might need to be members of plugdev ... not at all sure about that |
| 19:45.29 | JyZyXEL | i thought you do it in udev rules |
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| 19:47.31 | troutwine | I have need of creating a partial apt mirror for a server cluster. Does anyone have recommendations for software to use or experiences of having done so? I also need the capability of pushing my own software into the apt repository, so I don't think that something like apt-proxy will work. |
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| 19:48.25 | kuznetzvo | so basically you want WSUS for linux? |
| 19:48.56 | troutwine | kuznetzvo: I googled WSUS, but I don't know squat about Windows. |
| 19:48.56 | keith4 | troutwine: you might be better off with a proxy/cache and a separate private repo |
| 19:49.10 | vilpan | hi, just upgraded to squeeze from lenny and the only downside so far is that the desktop looks worse... not sure how to describe it, but seems like colours are not the same, like in some 256-colour mode. Installed firmware-linux, which helped a bit, but not quite good yet. |
| 19:49.11 | vilpan | Also tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but that returns immediately with no output, even with -phigh. Any advice? |
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| 19:49.28 | troutwine | keith4: That's an interesting idea. |
| 19:49.33 | troutwine | kuznetzvo: Can you elaborate? |
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| 19:51.08 | kuznetzvo | a decent cache would be good enough unless you're really having downstream bandwidth problems. private repo sounds easier than trying to mirror from public repo then make your own changes every time.. |
| 19:51.17 | kuznetzvo | i've never done that, though. |
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| 19:51.25 | Lars_G | Greetings. |
| 19:51.54 | Lars_G | Question, is there any configuration file syntax, name or placement differences between libnss-ldap and libnss-ldapd AND libpam-ldap and libpam-ldapd ? |
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| 19:52.53 | troutwine | Thanks, all. |
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| 19:53.34 | danielboston26 | how do i save a file in vi |
| 19:53.40 | troutwine | :w |
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| 19:54.11 | troutwine | danielboston26: http://www.unix-manuals.com/tutorials/vi/vi-in-10-1.html |
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| 19:54.25 | kuznetzvo | daniel: or do what I did.. cheat and use nano lol |
| 19:54.55 | kuznetzvo | too many stage 1 installs from gentoo back in the day. nano is permanently engraved into my brain |
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| 19:56.06 | thewanderer1 | Lars_G: not that I know of |
| 19:57.32 | Lars_G | thank you thewanderer1 |
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| 19:58.55 | Lars_G | If I wanted to use let's say libnss-ldap which asks for settings via debconf, but automate the settings. What would be the best approach? create custom libnss-ldap packages with no debconf and a package with setting files for libnss/libpam, or create custom libnss/libpam files using debconf somehow non interactively, or a postinst script or files on the package to preset the settings? |
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| 19:59.28 | sivang | anybody rememnber the name of the tool that allows you to cross search code on the file system in debian? |
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| 19:59.34 | sivang | like mxr but on your disk |
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| 20:02.41 | mezzer | Hi, I want to shut the fuck up of this command : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3nx71xp1, i dont know what to do more ... (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 20:05.23 | catsup | mezzer: redirects go in order... so 2>&1 >file doesn't do waht you want. you want >file 2>&1 |
| 20:05.23 | danielboston26 | after editing the sudoers file i get this error |
| 20:05.44 | catsup | mezzer: because at the time 2>&1 is parsed, 1 is the terminal, not the file |
| 20:06.06 | danielboston26 | user mark is not allowed to execute command as root on debian local domain |
| 20:07.15 | Bushmills | and before you edited it? |
| 20:07.15 | mezzer | ok ok |
| 20:07.17 | mezzer | thanks a log catatonic |
| 20:07.18 | mezzer | lot* |
| 20:07.23 | mezzer | f**k |
| 20:07.31 | mezzer | thanks a lot catsup |
| 20:07.47 | mezzer | and sorry for hl catatonic |
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| 20:07.56 | catsup | sure thing, cheers |
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| 20:08.19 | danielboston26 | bushmillis before i edited it it told me i wasn't part of the sudoers file so i could'nt use sudo |
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| 20:09.16 | Bushmills | how did you edit it? |
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| 20:10.52 | danielboston26 | added mark ALL=(ALL) ALL |
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| 20:11.51 | Bushmills | i mean, what command did you use to edit the file? |
| 20:11.56 | boudiccas | danielboston26; thats what you added, but /how/ did you edit it? |
| 20:12.00 | danielboston26 | vi |
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| 20:12.45 | babilen | danielboston26: use visudo |
| 20:12.46 | Bushmills | use visudo |
| 20:13.20 | twobitsprite | vi should still work, provided you're syntax is correct |
| 20:13.25 | twobitsprite | your* |
| 20:14.12 | mark76 | Anyone here in London? |
| 20:14.21 | mark76 | Wrong window |
| 20:14.28 | danielboston26 | so i just opened it with visudo and resaved it |
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| 20:15.30 | Bushmills | why edit it at all, instead of just adding you to sudo group? |
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| 20:15.56 | sam12345 | with wpa-supllicant i have this error: Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT |
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| 20:16.00 | Lars_G | If I wanted to use let's say libnss-ldap which asks for settings via debconf, but automate the settings. What would be the best approach? create custom libnss-ldap packages with no debconf and a package with setting files for libnss/libpam, or create custom libnss/libpam files using debconf somehow non interactively, or a postinst script or files on the package to preset the settings? |
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| 20:16.16 | sam12345 | what should I check? I'm on debian sid with kernel 3 |
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| 20:16.49 | danielboston26 | bushmillis thats what someone here told me to do |
| 20:17.11 | Bushmills | there's %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL already configured |
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| 20:18.27 | danielboston26 | still not working |
| 20:18.30 | Bushmills | if there's an alternative to editing config files, consider to use alternative - simplifies upgrading packages when their provided config differs from yours |
| 20:18.53 | Bushmills | you need to log out and in again when you were added to a group |
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| 20:19.06 | Bushmills | or su - to yourself |
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| 20:20.51 | boudiccas | mark76; i live just outside london |
| 20:21.31 | danielboston26 | i see the problem |
| 20:21.38 | mark76 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675 boudiccas |
| 20:21.41 | danielboston26 | it wrote a new sudoers file |
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| 20:21.57 | danielboston26 | when i used vi to edit it |
| 20:22.05 | Alvo | hi, i come from apache 2 channel: >>>><thumbs> Alvo: ask #debian how to fix that.<<<<< |
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| 20:22.15 | fenugreek | Alvo: which channel? |
| 20:22.26 | Alvo | apache2 -S |
| 20:22.26 | Alvo | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 20:22.59 | Alvo | apache2 |
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| 20:24.07 | Alvo | >> hi i use apache 2, when i do like "http:<ip>" it uses in a miracly way the directory "/var/www/vhosts/default/htdocs/", but in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default "/var/www" is configured, what can i do more to find the problem? |
| 20:24.43 | stephane_ | #debianfr |
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| 20:28.30 | nwln | !!- FREENODERS GONE WILD -!! WATCH KLOERI TEACH FREENODERS HOW TO SUCK DICK FOR STAFF FAVORS / SEE HOW MRMIST GOT HIS OLINE , HINT IT REQUIRED LIVING UNDER LOREZ'S DESK FOR A SUMMER / SEE HIDDEN FOOTAGE FROM THE PDPC/CANONICAL GAY ORGY / SEE NIKO LOSE HIS VIRGINITY TO A 400LB BLACK MAN . CALL NOW! (405)949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH SHIPPING IS FREE !!- FREENODERS GONE WILD -!! nwln slvmchn ChibaPet chasing`Sol photon rhiebert |
| 20:28.30 | nwln | !!- FREENODERS GONE WILD -!! WATCH KLOERI TEACH FREENODERS HOW TO SUCK DICK FOR STAFF FAVORS / SEE HOW MRMIST GOT HIS OLINE , HINT IT REQUIRED LIVING UNDER LOREZ'S DESK FOR A SUMMER / SEE HIDDEN FOOTAGE FROM THE PDPC/CANONICAL GAY ORGY / SEE NIKO LOSE HIS VIRGINITY TO A 400LB BLACK MAN . CALL NOW! (405)949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH SHIPPING IS FREE !!- FREENODERS GONE WILD -!! marcelomauro zastaph danielboston26 willmore Known |
| 20:28.30 | nwln | !!- FREENODERS GONE WILD -!! WATCH KLOERI TEACH FREENODERS HOW TO SUCK DICK FOR STAFF FAVORS / SEE HOW MRMIST GOT HIS OLINE , HINT IT REQUIRED LIVING UNDER LOREZ'S DESK FOR A SUMMER / SEE HIDDEN FOOTAGE FROM THE PDPC/CANONICAL GAY ORGY / SEE NIKO LOSE HIS VIRGINITY TO A 400LB BLACK MAN . CALL NOW! (405)949-1961 IF LOREZ'S MOM DOESN'T CUSS YOU OUT IN SPANISH SHIPPING IS FREE !!- FREENODERS GONE WILD -!! CannedCorn ph8 row Cyanure brammator sabaton iatea |
| 20:28.30 | ChibaPet | Why, praytell, is there no network-manager-vpnc-kde in Debian? Is this functionality available through some other package? |
| 20:28.31 | dpkg | nwln: what are you talking about? |
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| 20:29.32 | s3phir0th115 | Wow... The lengths people will go. haha |
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| 21:47.55 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0.2) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 21:48.01 | ParkerR | Wb apt |
| 21:48.03 | streuner | hm, doesnt sound like a default Debian mirror |
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| 21:48.34 | nitzs | streuner, it's an indian mirror. |
| 21:49.11 | streuner | nitzs: yeah, we guess that too, but what happens if you using a default mirro? :-) |
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| 21:49.37 | nitzs | well i didn't try. |
| 21:49.40 | ola | "sonata |
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| 21:49.55 | luka_ | I have two domains registered on godaddy and i have static ip address and how i can setup my centos linux server to have two site on one ipaddress |
| 21:50.06 | babilen | streuner: That is an official mirror in India -- http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 21:50.21 | streuner | ok |
| 21:50.54 | m4r10_ | Salve, come posso istallare l'interprete php da terminale ? |
| 21:52.02 | streuner | babilen: well, its a secondary mirror :-) |
| 21:52.29 | babilen | nitzs: Your problem is also easy to solve. Apparently you removed a package in the past but still have some of its dependencies around. A "apt-get autoremove" would change that as apt-get does not automatically remove these "useless" packages. |
| 21:52.49 | streuner | yes, useless :-) |
| 21:53.00 | nitzs | babilen, but that would remove the complete lxde desktop. |
| 21:53.10 | babilen | nitzs: So, you don't want that? |
| 21:53.19 | nitzs | no |
| 21:53.35 | streuner | nitzs: anyway, just do what babilen told you and just install them new |
| 21:53.53 | nitzs | streuner, okay. i'll try. |
| 21:53.57 | babilen | nitzs: I would assume that you remove lxde, what does "dpkg -l lxde|tail -1" give you? |
| 21:54.10 | babilen | nitzs, streuner: NO!" |
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| 21:54.54 | streuner | babilen: so you dont want what you suggested? :-) |
| 21:55.01 | nitzs | babilen, it shows me: un lxde <none> (no description available) |
| 21:55.05 | zorrolero | !tell m4r10_ about #debian-it |
| 21:55.19 | babilen | streuner: Please don't make this more complicated. You know exactly what I said. |
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| 21:56.01 | babilen | nitzs: Ok, so that package is not installed (anymore?) -- I would run "apt-get install lxde" which should depend on the packages you don't want to lose. You can also manually install those ... |
| 21:56.05 | babilen | ,depends lxde |
| 21:56.07 | judd | Package lxde -- depends: lxde-core (>= 0.5.0-4), lxappearance (>= 0.4.0), lxinput (>= 0.1.1), lxsession-edit, lxshortcut, gpicview (>= 0.1.9), lxterminal, leafpad, xarchiver, lxrandr, obconf, lxde-icon-theme. |
| 21:56.40 | nitzs | babilen, i get it. |
| 21:56.43 | babilen | nitzs: See ^^^ You apparently remove the lxde metapackage for some reason and now the dependencies are in the "can be removed" bin |
| 21:57.49 | nitzs | babilen, yeah, that solved it. |
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| 21:57.57 | nitzs | thanks everyone. |
| 21:58.39 | babilen | nitzs: These removals typically happen if you remove another package on which the metapackage (lxde) depend on ... in that essentially the package you want removed is removed, which causes the metapackage to be removed as well. (because its depedency can not be satisfied anymore) -- All other depedencies are then up for removal too, even if you never intended that. |
| 21:59.41 | datenritter | how do i get rid of this, when compiling a kernel module: "error: call to âcopy_from_user_overflowâ declared with attribute error: copy_from_user() buffer size is not provably correct" ??? |
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| 22:00.43 | datenritter | it looks like i have to set CONFIG_DEBUG_STRICT_USER_COPY_CHECKS=n. but i don't know where |
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| 22:01.25 | babilen | datenritter: You have to provide *much* more information about what you are doing. (preferrably on a pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 22:01.44 | babilen | datenritter: That looks like a kernel config option, but could be anything. |
| 22:01.57 | nitzs | babilen, so why don't meta-packages have an exception to this rule? |
| 22:02.13 | datenritter | babilen: i am trying to compile a driver for a wireless-n-stick. long story. |
| 22:02.54 | datenritter | babilen: http://pastebin.com/5rGk6Vip it looks like this |
| 22:03.10 | datenritter | my kernel is 2.6.37, built it myself weeks ago |
| 22:03.45 | datenritter | i somehow have to turn of this check. i put the line into the makefile, but well... didn't work |
| 22:03.47 | babilen | nitzs: You don't have to use a metapackage to install lxde -- If you don't agree with the selection of the metapackage you wouldn't use it but just install what you want. They are merely meant as a convenience. That being said: I would like to see some special treatment for metapackages as your problem is incredibly wide-spread "YAALP -- apt removed my computer !!!!oneone!eleven" |
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| 22:04.34 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:04.57 | themill | babilen: it's not metapackages that need this special treatment, it's their dependencies and it's not obvious to me how you do that. (also, it then becomes harder to actually do things like remove gnome after you've installed it and change your mind) |
| 22:05.09 | jetscreamer | i studiously avoid metapackages, works out fine |
| 22:05.20 | jetscreamer | some i use though |
| 22:05.21 | babilen | themill: yes, absolutely. |
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| 22:06.03 | streuner | vanity rules all ;-) |
| 22:07.21 | twock | nitzs: sorry I was distracted. I just wanted to mention that you can mark or unmark any package as automatically installed using apt-mark or the equivalent in aptitude. |
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| 22:09.18 | BlueG | I'm looking for a feed reader that lets you see the latest updates from a group of feeds. It looks like akregator does this, is there a gtk or gnome feed reader that has this feature? Liferea doesn't appear to do this. |
| 22:10.01 | kingsley2 | Is it normal for the "mount" command to say a file system is writable when it is not, ostensibly because /etc/mtab could not be updated? |
| 22:10.51 | mwarning | hi, folks. I have a problem with my graphivs. After I but I get only a few lines from the kernel on screen before the screen changes to colorful mayhem. I've added nomodeset to the boot options before in grub to work around it for now. But it doesn't work anymore after I tried to permanently add it to /etc/default/grub and update-grub. |
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| 22:12.18 | adrian15 | kingsley2: I'm not sure but I think mount reads from /proc/mount . I have seen the situtation you describe sometimes, most of them you had to reboot to fix that... or remount the partition with rw option. |
| 22:13.56 | gnarface | kingsley2: the only time i ever personally have seen mount refuse to allow writing to a partition that i mounted read/write it was because it was a fat32 partition that needed to be fsck'd first |
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| 22:15.39 | Karen_m | hello everyone. |
| 22:15.50 | Karen_m | I have a package, and I want to see which files it installed? |
| 22:16.02 | Karen_m | and 'what it satifies' .. |
| 22:16.06 | themill | Karen_m: dpkg -L |
| 22:16.09 | streuner | hm, dpkg -L <package> |
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| 22:17.40 | Karen_m | how can I see 'what satifies mysql-server' kind of thing. I installed the percona *.deb's and I want to see if it satisfies the mysql-server |
| 22:17.58 | Karen_m | I don't want it to try and install mysql-server when i go to install something that depends on mysql-server |
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| 22:19.16 | themill | Karen_m: "apt-cache showpkg mysql-server" will list all packages that Provide mysql-server. |
| 22:19.28 | themill | ,rprovides mysql-server |
| 22:19.35 | judd | Package mysql-server in squeeze/i386 is provided by: mysql-server-5.1. mysql-server is also a real package. |
| 22:19.44 | themill | Karen_m: although you will see that there aren't any really any |
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| 22:20.19 | Karen_m | oh nice, percona-server-* does .. beautiful :) |
| 22:20.19 | Karen_m | thanks |
| 22:20.26 | themill | Karen_m: "apt-cache show packagename" gives you all this info in one hit |
| 22:20.41 | Karen_m | thank you so much :) |
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| 22:20.43 | Karen_m | both |
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| 22:27.02 | tekess | hi.. when trying to install debian testing (latest netinst) in my dell hybrid, I select "type of keyborad --> usb keyboard" and it says "an installation step failed. You can try to run the failing item again from the menu, or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is: select a keyboard layout" .. does anyone have any idea why this is happening? |
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| 22:27.10 | thewanderer1 | BlueG: you could switch KDE apps to the Clearlooks theme and pretend they're GTK apps :P |
| 22:27.21 | tekess | I'm not a linux expert but I've never had this problem |
| 22:27.39 | tekess | I'd appreciate some help, thx in advance |
| 22:27.58 | thewanderer1 | tekess: first off, you shouldn't be using testing :/ |
| 22:28.43 | tekess | well, that's not helping.. |
| 22:28.49 | Dutchy | I have a question about upgrading to squeeze... is it in any way bad to not have a fully up to date lenny before upgrading? |
| 22:29.53 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: in general, any lenny (stable) â squeeze (stable) should work, provided that your lenny really was stable, not testing |
| 22:30.18 | thewanderer1 | tekess: that's the only thing I can recommend right now, testing netinst is likely to have bugs |
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| 22:30.29 | an0 | I'm trying to install squeeze on my rackmount server, but it hangs after selecting the keyboard layout. Can anyone help? |
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| 22:30.58 | iceroot | i am running "debsecan" on a fully upgraded lenny and get a lot of remote-exploits. is that normal? e.g. in libgnutls |
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| 22:31.15 | tekess | thewanderer1, thx anyway |
| 22:31.34 | thewanderer1 | tekess: try #debian-next |
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| 22:31.52 | an0 | It's an HP ProLiant DL385, and I grabbed the AMD64 CD ISO from debian.org. |
| 22:31.57 | tekess | I will, thanks |
| 22:32.17 | Dutchy | thewanderer1: I once had mysql from testing (but removed it again) and now mysql fails to update correctly, do you figure that will cause problems with squeeze? |
| 22:32.18 | Corey | an0: G7? |
| 22:32.21 | an0 | I also tried the netinst ISO, same problem. I select the keyboard layout and then it just hangs. The system doesn't lock up though. |
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| 22:32.25 | an0 | G4 I believe. |
| 22:32.30 | Corey | Ooh, ancient. |
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| 22:32.40 | an0 | Dual Opteron's =) |
| 22:32.41 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: it could |
| 22:33.07 | an0 | I'm guessing that it's a G4 based on it looks like the images when I Google the different generations. |
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| 22:35.21 | an0 | I went here: http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant |
| 22:35.41 | an0 | But I don't see an AMD64 ISO for the 385. |
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| 22:38.09 | an0 | Anyone know why a debian install would hang after selecting the keyboard layout? |
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| 22:38.54 | an0 | Happens on the netinst install, and the graphical and non-graphical CD install. THe mouse still moves on the graphical one, and hitting the power button sends the term signal and shuts down normally, so nothing is frozen. |
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| 22:41.06 | an0 | Okay, it detected network hardware. The progress bar went by super fast and now its just sitting here. Says Detect Network Hardware at the top. Nothing else is happening. =( |
| 22:43.23 | streuner | an0: are you sure md5sum is ok? |
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| 22:43.33 | streuner | (if its the stable installler) |
| 22:43.40 | an0 | Yeah, I checked them both and did verifications on the burns. |
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| 22:44.21 | an0 | This is the CD I'm using: debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 22:45.36 | an0 | Since the netinst disk does the same exact thing, I'm wondering if I should be using a different install disk. Maybe lenny? |
| 22:45.39 | streuner | just try another installer then |
| 22:45.46 | streuner | maybe knoppix or grml |
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| 22:45.50 | streuner | or kmuto |
| 22:46.16 | an0 | 64bit Ubuntu? |
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| 22:46.41 | streuner | in order to install Debian it would be a bad idea, IMO |
| 22:47.10 | an0 | It doesn't have to be debian, but that is what I'm most comfortable with. |
| 22:47.26 | an0 | And this server is replacing a debian server, so that would be the most seamless transition. |
| 22:47.30 | streuner | well, you are in the wrong channel then :-) |
| 22:47.34 | an0 | haha |
| 22:47.41 | an0 | How do I use another installer? |
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| 22:48.18 | streuner | well, thats another bad idea then, IMO :-) |
| 22:48.24 | an0 | lol |
| 22:48.31 | an0 | lenny? |
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| 22:48.45 | streuner | no, stable/squeeze is what you need ;-) |
| 22:48.52 | an0 | I agree. |
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| 22:49.52 | FaceJob | What's the easiest way to get a command to run a start-up? |
| 22:50.09 | FaceJob | *at |
| 22:50.11 | streuner | dpkg, rc.local |
| 22:50.11 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 22:50.42 | streuner | or just check out interfaces (/msg dpkg interfaces and grep pre-up) |
| 22:50.54 | FaceJob | Ah, rc.local :/ |
| 22:51.01 | FaceJob | Thanks |
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| 22:51.13 | Karen_m | is there a way to find the limits of a user, without logging into their account? I want to see what mysql is limited to |
| 22:51.35 | an0 | Well if there are no better ideas, lol I'm going to try lenny. Can anyone help me find the 64bit AMD ISO? |
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| 22:51.51 | streuner | an0: /msg dpkg lenny |
| 22:51.58 | an0 | thanks |
| 22:52.59 | th0r | Karen_m: a user can be granted permissions either by username or group. To check the group memberships for a user you can look at /etc/group |
| 22:53.12 | streuner | an0: but keep in mind, if its a production server, you should run stable/squeeze... |
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| 22:53.40 | an0 | I know. =( What should I do? |
| 22:53.42 | ctmjr | or just run groups mysql |
| 22:54.17 | streuner | an0: basically upgrade to squeeze, if any other debian installer sucks, in your case |
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| 22:54.46 | an0 | So how do I try another installer? |
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| 22:55.04 | iluminator101 | hamachi or tinc?????hmm....any ideas |
| 22:55.07 | streuner | good question, just give them a try? |
| 22:55.31 | kingsley2 | How would you upgrade packages to fix a bug that keeps / from being writable, when being unwritable / prohibits upgrading packages? It seems like a catch 22 dilemma. |
| 22:55.32 | an0 | lol I mean how as in I don't even know what to do to try them. |
| 22:56.10 | streuner | an0: well, what kind of d-i did you use before? |
| 22:56.46 | Karen_m | oh, i meant .. ulimit -a mysql kind of thing. I want to find the ulimit of the mysql user |
| 22:56.52 | an0 | sorry, d-i? |
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| 22:57.00 | streuner | an0: debian-installer |
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| 22:57.11 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: SSH tunnel :P |
| 22:57.19 | an0 | Oh, the old machine is a VM with a lenny ISO on it. |
| 22:57.27 | an0 | On a XenServer. |
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| 22:58.50 | streuner | that makes sense then (VM), sorry, but maybe somebody else is able to you |
| 22:59.43 | Detroiter | Hmm, is there a way I can add a line to rc.local with a command? Having "exit 0" at the end is preventing me from just doing "some command" >> /etc/rc.local :-/ |
| 23:00.23 | thewanderer1 | Detroiter: editing system files from scripts is not a wise move, you should probably decompose the file to parts and reassemble it |
| 23:00.49 | mjt | sed -i '/^exit 0/D' /etc/rc.local |
| 23:00.57 | iluminator101 | permission to pm thewanderer1 |
| 23:00.58 | Detroiter | thewanderer1: Hey, we have a whole bunch of stuff going on here that |
| 23:01.03 | Detroiter | 's not wise :< |
| 23:01.07 | an0 | Hey! I let it sit here for like 30min and something happened! It says I need non-free firmware for some of my hardware, and asks if I want to load it from removable media!! |
| 23:01.11 | kingsley2 | Detroiter: How about.... $ echo some commnd >> /etc/rc.local ? |
| 23:01.14 | Detroiter | Yay, regular expressions |
| 23:01.19 | an0 | I need tigon/tg3_tso.bin |
| 23:01.26 | Detroiter | kingsley2: Right, then some command ends up below the "exit 0" line |
| 23:01.31 | streuner | an0: easy |
| 23:01.38 | an0 | I like that word. |
| 23:01.44 | Detroiter | mjt: I'm trying that. |
| 23:01.47 | an0 | I like my debian installs like I like my women. |
| 23:01.48 | streuner | an0: just get the firmware and install into /lib/firmware |
| 23:01.59 | Detroiter | I like my women to be Madonna :) |
| 23:02.05 | streuner | omg, that sounds nasty :-P |
| 23:02.09 | an0 | Should I skip this for now, or can I do it now somehow? |
| 23:02.16 | Detroiter | Thanks guys :p |
| 23:02.24 | streuner | dpkg, firmware |
| 23:02.25 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages. See also <search>, <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 23:02.25 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: I'd rather you keep it in the channel |
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| 23:03.26 | streuner | an0: there is a package in Debian, just download it and install it into /lib/firmware, you are able to download it via packages.debian.org |
| 23:03.27 | kingsley2 | Detroiter: Is my understanding correct that the new command should not be appended to the end of the file, but rather just above the last line, which is "exit 0"? |
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| 23:03.45 | an0 | So I need to download tg3_tso.bin and put it on a flash drive? |
| 23:03.59 | an0 | Or can I put it on a cd and remove the debian disk for a moment.. |
| 23:04.02 | streuner | an0: into /lib/firmware |
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| 23:04.50 | streuner | an0: more details in ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 23:04.54 | ax-ax | i can't autocomplete devices like /dev/sda1 |
| 23:05.05 | an0 | okay im trying.. |
| 23:05.11 | an0 | you're saying make that dir on the flash drive? |
| 23:05.15 | streuner | good lux |
| 23:05.18 | streuner | good lu |
| 23:05.21 | streuner | good luck |
| 23:05.24 | thewanderer1 | iluminator101: in case you need a pointer to SSH VPN: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/539/Setting_up_a_Layer_3_tunneling_VPN_with_using_OpenSSH |
| 23:05.39 | ax-ax | and usb sticks are not detected by e.g. nautilus |
| 23:05.54 | streuner | an0: no, on the system you want to install |
| 23:05.59 | Detroiter | kingsley2: This is correct. :) |
| 23:06.08 | an0 | so I put it on a flash drive, then copy it over. |
| 23:06.14 | Corey | marienz: Some dev's random bot wants 3.2. |
| 23:06.17 | ax-ax | so i have to check with e.g. gparted everytime i want to use a flash drive |
| 23:06.28 | ax-ax | what to do? |
| 23:06.36 | streuner | an0: sure, bascially you just need the firmware... |
| 23:06.44 | an0 | k I think i found it |
| 23:06.52 | an0 | it's Broadcom BCM5703/BCM5704 TSO firmware |
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| 23:07.46 | kingsley2 | Detroiter: Maybe you could use an editor like vim. |
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| 23:07.58 | Detroiter | kingsley2: I want it to be automatic :/ |
| 23:08.37 | Detroiter | is trying to figure out how to escape forward slashes in sed |
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| 23:08.49 | karsten | Detroiter: /\ |
| 23:08.56 | an0 | streuner: can I just do this after the install? |
| 23:08.59 | karsten | Detroiter: erm: \/ |
| 23:09.04 | themill | Detroiter: use a different delimiter |
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| 23:09.12 | karsten | Detroiter: Or use a different delimiter |
| 23:09.14 | Detroiter | Hmm, tried \/ |
| 23:09.24 | karsten | Detroiter: s,/,@,g |
| 23:09.25 | Detroiter | themill: Right |
| 23:09.46 | themill | Detroiter: s@foo/bar@quux@ (or use commas or ...) |
| 23:09.48 | streuner | an0: if you need other package from internet it would be hard then :-P |
| 23:10.04 | an0 | Okay. I see the package listed here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 23:10.11 | an0 | I'm an idiot. Where is the link to download it? |
| 23:10.24 | Detroiter | Yay, a different delimiter does the trick: sed -i '#^exit 0#/opt/system/nginx/sbin/nginx exit 0' /etc/rc.local |
| 23:10.25 | Detroiter | :p |
| 23:10.31 | Detroiter | sed is pretty smart |
| 23:10.48 | streuner | an0: in the country section, like ftp.de.debian.org or such |
| 23:11.51 | an0 | It gave me a .deb file. Do I just need to put that in the /lib/firmware dir? |
| 23:11.53 | streuner | an0: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-linux-nonfree_0.33_all.deb |
| 23:11.59 | Detroiter | wtf, it has no effect on the file! |
| 23:12.38 | streuner | an0: usually you just make a "dpkg -i firm*.deb" |
| 23:12.57 | karsten | Detroiter: You're tring to modify the file? or what? |
| 23:13.04 | ax-ax | i can't autocomplete devices like /dev/sda1 and usb sticks are not detected by e.g. nautilus, so i have to check with e.g. gparted everytime i want to use a flash drive - what to do? |
| 23:13.18 | streuner | an0: if its not possible, just use "mc" or "ar" to extract it and copy it into /lib/firmware |
| 23:13.19 | an0 | So I have to do that from another debain box. I'm on a Mac right now. |
| 23:13.33 | karsten | Detroiter: sed writes to stdout. If you want to modify a file in place: 'sed -i -e '<expression>' file |
| 23:13.35 | themill | Detroiter: you'd want s### |
| 23:13.46 | karsten | Detroiter: Note that that overwrites the original file. |
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| 23:14.04 | karsten | Detroiter: You can create a backup if you supply an extension. RTFM sed. |
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| 23:14.19 | Detroiter | I see. |
| 23:14.23 | karsten | (eg: sed -i.bak -e '<expression>' <filelist> |
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| 23:14.32 | streuner | an0: one second |
| 23:14.49 | an0 | k :) |
| 23:14.51 | danielboston26 | does anyone know if theres a fuse for ext 3? i |
| 23:14.57 | karsten | ... will modify all files in list according to expression, creating backups named "file.bak", "file2.bak", etc. |
| 23:14.58 | streuner | an0: its really sid what you want? |
| 23:15.00 | themill | karsten, Detroiter: -i wasn't the problem, bad substitution command was.... |
| 23:15.06 | karsten | themill: OK. |
| 23:15.08 | danielboston26 | or if the fuse of ext2 will work with ext2? |
| 23:15.17 | an0 | The file appeared on that list, so yes? |
| 23:15.24 | streuner | an0: http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/firmware-linux-nonfree/download |
| 23:15.31 | streuner | an0: its sid btw... |
| 23:15.35 | an0 | btw I hit Yes to install from non-free and it's just sitting here again lol I'll wait it out though |
| 23:15.37 | an0 | okay |
| 23:15.48 | streuner | an0: not stable? |
| 23:15.55 | an0 | oh |
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| 23:15.56 | an0 | no |
| 23:16.00 | streuner | ok |
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| 23:16.11 | an0 | That's just the place I saw the file listed. I don't know what sid means =\ |
| 23:16.32 | streuner | an0: sid means unstable |
| 23:16.51 | an0 | oh fun. no that is not what i want. |
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| 23:18.21 | jhutchins_lt | an0: Testing and Sid/Unstable are really not just different "flavors" of Debian, they really mean to be testing and unstable development pools to develop the next release. |
| 23:18.37 | an0 | Yikes, okay thanks for letting me know. |
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| 23:19.12 | an0 | So I need this one then:http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-linux-nonfree/download |
| 23:19.23 | an0 | oops forgot a space in there |
| 23:19.32 | Detroiter | Okay, worked. :> sed -i 's/^exit 0/\/opt\/system\/nginx\/sbin\/nginx\nexit 0/' /etc/rc.local |
| 23:19.34 | kingsley2 | What's debian's other IRC channel? |
| 23:19.39 | Detroiter | Thnx :) |
| 23:19.59 | Detroiter | kingsley2: #openbsd-kernel |
| 23:20.20 | karsten | kingsley2: there's one on irc.debian.org that points at OFTN IIRC. |
| 23:21.31 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley2: That's probably the one you want, or debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:21.44 | jhutchins_lt | kingsley2: Then there's debian-kde |
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| 23:27.26 | an0 | streuner: i have the .bin file, how do I put it on the server when I havent even made it to the disk partition step yet? |
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| 23:28.33 | streuner | that would be hard then :-P |
| 23:29.12 | an0 | Okay, I'm starting over, and I'm going to skip that step. |
| 23:29.19 | an0 | I can install the non-free stuff after the OS is installed. |
| 23:29.31 | streuner | sure |
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| 23:30.43 | an0 | There's no like CLI install mode where I can say to ignore networking devices for now? It takes like 20min of waiting before it tells me anything is wrong.. |
| 23:31.04 | streuner | sounds like DHCP |
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| 23:31.25 | an0 | should I unplug the network cable? |
| 23:31.30 | streuner | just ignore it |
| 23:31.35 | Dutchy | hmm, I am in the middle of the upgrade process from lenny to squeeze, the server is pinging back but ssh is not responding (no new connections either)... any idea what could have happened? |
| 23:32.24 | thewanderer1 | Dutchy: SSH was stopped, debconf is displaying a dialog box and waiting for a reply before it turns it back on and finishes configuration? :P |
| 23:32.52 | Dutchy | that sounds like a great idea |
| 23:33.42 | Dutchy | weirdly enough, nmap thinks the port is open |
| 23:34.43 | Dutchy | what do you suggest I do now? |
| 23:35.21 | Dutchy | hmm, seems like my initial connection lives again |
| 23:35.32 | Dutchy | last thing it did was Setting up update-inetd (4.38+nmu1) ... |
| 23:36.08 | Dutchy | doesn't seem to be doing much |
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| 23:37.11 | an0 | Dutchy: I don't know if this would help, but can you VNC into it? |
| 23:37.49 | Dutchy | there's no vnc on the box |
| 23:37.59 | Dutchy | but the screen I was running it in is alive again |
| 23:38.53 | Dutchy | is it safe to ^C it, or is there some other way to try to restart a hanging upgrade |
| 23:39.53 | an0 | Can you see it doing anything if you run top or ps aux? |
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| 23:40.30 | streuner | prolly his sshd died... |
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| 23:41.42 | Dutchy | top doesnt do anything, perhaps because it's mid-upgrade |
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| 23:42.09 | an0 | does ps aux? |
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| 23:42.27 | Dutchy | yeah, the update-inetd.postinst seems to be running |
| 23:43.03 | streuner | well, its still hope then :-P |
| 23:43.07 | Dutchy | yeah |
| 23:43.11 | Dutchy | should i just kill it? |
| 23:43.24 | streuner | no |
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| 23:45.04 | streuner | of course not |
| 23:45.06 | Dutchy | well, what should I do then? I don't think it's supposed to take more than a couple of minutes |
| 23:45.21 | streuner | depends on the machine |
| 23:45.50 | streuner | in which kind of state it is? |
| 23:45.56 | Dutchy | R+ |
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| 23:46.31 | Dutchy | it's taking more than 15 minutes now on a decent machine |
| 23:46.32 | streuner | sounds good to me, correct if you know better |
| 23:46.49 | streuner | hm, not a good sign, IMO |
| 23:46.54 | Dutchy | nope |
| 23:47.01 | Dutchy | that's what I'm saying :) |
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| 23:47.27 | Dutchy | I'm hoping you have other suggestions than killing it ;) |
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| 23:50.16 | an0 | I said no to the non-free firmware and it's trying to set up networking lol |
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| 23:50.55 | streuner | Debian is a nightmare without internet, what do you expect then? :-P |
| 23:52.02 | an0 | To complete the basic installation, then set everything up once I get into the OS. |
| 23:52.06 | an0 | Is that unreasonable? |
| 23:52.46 | streuner | just finish installation and configure/install everything else then |
| 23:54.13 | an0 | Okay, I mean, that should work I guess. |
| 23:54.24 | streuner | its the only option... |
| 23:55.01 | an0 | Seems to be lol |
| 23:55.39 | streuner | if you dont have the firmware in the installer, what should you do then... |
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| 23:56.30 | an0 | Installing! =) |
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| 23:57.08 | Dutchy | more fun :| |
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| 23:57.14 | Dutchy | the postinst refuses to be killed |
| 23:57.22 | streuner | lol |
| 23:57.45 | Dutchy | the dpkg process could be killed but the suggested dpkg --configure -a hangs |
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| 23:58.26 | streuner | just use "kill -9 <pid>" |
| 23:58.32 | Dutchy | i did, on both |
| 23:58.37 | streuner | hm |
| 23:58.49 | Dutchy | it worked on the upgrade's dpkg process but not on the other 2 |
| 23:58.50 | streuner | nothing, then its in zombie mode |
| 23:59.48 | Dutchy | sucks, the upgrade wont continue with a dpkg still running |