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| 00:00.10 | streuner | the only options are then: 1) use a slegehammer or 2) go to the remote machine and deal with it :-P |
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| 00:00.47 | Dutchy | i need an eight-ball to tell me if typing reboot is going to work :p |
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| 00:01.05 | an0 | streuner: the non-free stuff isn't on one of the other debian cd's in the set? |
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| 00:01.29 | streuner | an0: no |
| 00:01.35 | an0 | k |
| 00:01.44 | themill | dpkg: 8ball will Dutchy's reboot work? |
| 00:01.44 | dpkg | Are you smoking crack? |
| 00:01.58 | Mark___ | Anyone here run debian on a MacBook pro? |
| 00:02.02 | an0 | xD |
| 00:02.11 | streuner | an0: Debian doesnt ship non-free firmware since years |
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| 00:02.16 | an0 | I see. |
| 00:02.31 | nevyn | since yearS? |
| 00:02.36 | Dutchy | im glad dpkg's 8ball has so much confidence |
| 00:02.37 | streuner | an0: in debian installers |
| 00:02.38 | nevyn | has it been a year since squeeze released? |
| 00:02.55 | babilen | no |
| 00:03.07 | nevyn | so it's hardly years then ;) |
| 00:03.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | aren't there sets of cd1 with firmware on? |
| 00:03.29 | babilen | !firmware images |
| 00:03.29 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 00:03.36 | Dutchy | luckily i just screwed up my only chance to reboot by messing up my screen |
| 00:03.37 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: ^^^ netinstall only |
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| 00:03.39 | streuner | Kamping_Kaiser: ubuntu, kmuto or such |
| 00:03.56 | streuner | or unofficial stuff |
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| 00:04.03 | streuner | offical stuff dont |
| 00:04.07 | Mark___ | Trying to install debian on my MacBook pro but the installer is freezing up om starting up the partitioner |
| 00:04.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: ah, ok |
| 00:05.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | streuner: for some value of unofficial |
| 00:05.12 | Mark___ | Anyone know what the problem is? |
| 00:05.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: thanks for the factoid :) |
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| 00:05.38 | sec-info | how to use nping to denial of service ? |
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| 00:05.53 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: You can also provide the firmware during the installation. Download it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/squeeze/current/ and see <installer firmware> |
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| 00:06.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah |
| 00:07.05 | Mark___ | So I'll take the non answer as a no |
| 00:07.17 | sec-info | how to use nping to denial of service ? |
| 00:07.43 | nevyn | sec-info: go way. |
| 00:08.01 | babilen | s/way/away/ |
| 00:08.02 | streuner | Mark___: if you trying to install Debian on a MBP you should read the article in wiki.debian.org |
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| 00:08.38 | Mark___ | I did |
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| 00:08.50 | Mark___ | It says there should be no problems |
| 00:09.13 | yardleydobon | I'm looking at mentors.debian.org for dfu-programmer 0.5.4-1. On that page the maintainer's comment is "New upstream release for a package already in Debian." but when I check packages.debian.org the highest version is 0.5.1-1. Am I misunderstanding something or is the maintainer's comment wrong? |
| 00:09.38 | Alucard_HS | hi all, does anyone knows how to move one active partition to another on the fly? |
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| 00:10.05 | kingsley2 | Does anyone here happen to know if it's possible to boot from a rescue CD, mount a filesystem that's on the hard drive, chroot to the now mounted filesystem, and then upgrade packages on the hard dive |
| 00:10.13 | nevyn | Alucard_HS: lvm can do it if you configured it that way from the start |
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| 00:10.17 | kingsley2 | s/dive/drive/ |
| 00:10.21 | an0 | Okay, debian is installed! |
| 00:10.26 | nevyn | Alucard_HS: it's not possible with straight partitons. afaik |
| 00:10.32 | kingsley2 | s/drive/drive?/ |
| 00:10.48 | streuner | dpkg, congratulate an0 |
| 00:10.49 | dpkg | Good show an0, you did it! |
| 00:10.59 | an0 | haha thanks :) |
| 00:11.25 | nevyn | Alucard_HS: please don't pm me. |
| 00:11.27 | an0 | So how do I install this NIC now? |
| 00:11.33 | an0 | I've got the bin files on a flash drive. |
| 00:12.01 | Mark___ | So no one here has a clue? |
| 00:12.08 | streuner | no |
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| 00:12.22 | civillian | Hi all, I'm getting "BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key" when trying to run apt-get update. debian-archive-keyring is version 2010.08.28. |
| 00:12.31 | streuner | an0: just copy them into /lib/firmware |
| 00:12.37 | Mark___ | Is there an installer log somewhere? |
| 00:13.16 | civillian | running squeeze if it helps |
| 00:13.43 | an0 | streuner: actually not sure how to access this flash drive from cli, it isn't mounted. |
| 00:13.59 | streuner | so mount it :-) |
| 00:14.07 | Mark___ | Is there an installer log somewhere? |
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| 00:16.03 | streuner | Mark___: no, there is no installer log, IIRC |
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| 00:16.59 | themill | yardleydobon: you're misunderstanding something. packages.debian.org lists packages that exist in the archive; mentors.debian.net has packages that a non-developer who doesn't have upload rights hopes to one day get into the archive. |
| 00:17.15 | an0 | Ugh, can't get it to mount. Wrong fs type. |
| 00:17.36 | an0 | mount -t vfat rw,users /dev/sda/ /mnt/usb |
| 00:18.40 | an0 | ill just burn them to a cd lol |
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| 00:22.11 | streuner | an0: if its that hard, you should use unofficial stuff in order to install, as some other guys told you here before |
| 00:22.15 | yardleydobon | oh more like misreading |
| 00:22.26 | yardleydobon | "New upstream release for a package already in Debian." |
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| 00:22.47 | an0 | I got the usb drive mounted and the files copied to /lib/firmware |
| 00:23.01 | yardleydobon | i thought I read that it said the new package was already in Debian |
| 00:23.15 | streuner | an0: ok, <babilen> !firmware images |
| 00:23.15 | streuner | <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 00:23.50 | an0 | Are you saying I should reinstall the OS? |
| 00:23.56 | streuner | no |
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| 00:24.18 | streuner | you have the firmware now, its just up to you to configure your NIC... |
| 00:24.43 | an0 | Right, let me read that article. |
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| 00:24.56 | streuner | nah |
| 00:25.09 | an0 | Oh okay. lol then how do I install the nic? |
| 00:25.21 | streuner | everything is fine now |
| 00:25.31 | streuner | you just have to configure your NIC |
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| 00:25.45 | an0 | Because I copied the files to /lib/firmware, everything is fine? |
| 00:25.51 | streuner | yes |
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| 00:26.02 | an0 | so I can just configure /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 00:26.04 | streuner | basically :-P |
| 00:26.13 | streuner | for example, yes |
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| 00:26.54 | an0 | k let me do that and reboot |
| 00:27.05 | streuner | no need to reboot |
| 00:27.12 | an0 | ifdown/up? |
| 00:27.16 | streuner | yes |
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| 00:28.47 | an0 | I be online. =P |
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| 00:28.54 | blackshirt | hello, anyone here experienced with apt-cacher-ng ?? |
| 00:28.55 | an0 | dhcp for now, I'll set up a static later. |
| 00:29.05 | an0 | Now I need to update!! |
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| 00:30.01 | centHOGG | apt-cache |
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| 00:30.51 | an0 | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, and apt-get dist-upgrade all return 0 upgraded. |
| 00:31.21 | streuner | dpkg, security |
| 00:31.22 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 00:32.25 | an0 | Ah, okay. |
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| 00:42.18 | an0 | k I think I got all the updates installed =) |
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| 00:42.59 | an0 | Now to get a static IP set, NAT rules configured, and install my tools! xD |
| 00:44.02 | an0 | streuner: if I come across other hardware that I need non-free stuff for, I can just do it the same way? Put the needed files in /lib/firmware and probably just reboot to be safe? |
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| 00:48.42 | an0 | why does it want the debian install disk to install openssh-server? |
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| 00:49.00 | lnxnt | hi there |
| 00:49.18 | lnxnt | I'm missing the wlan0 interface after modprobe ath5k on a thinkpad x40 |
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| 00:49.22 | lnxnt | any ideas what is wrong? |
| 00:49.46 | centHOGG | lnxnt: same thing after reboot? |
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| 00:53.36 | lnxnt | centHOGG: no change after reboot |
| 00:53.45 | centHOGG | k |
| 00:53.51 | centHOGG | when did it work right last |
| 00:54.38 | an0 | What source do I need to install openssh-server? |
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| 00:59.01 | an0 | Is it not in the squeeze repos? |
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| 01:02.46 | dondelelcaro | an0: it is in the squeeze repositories |
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| 01:02.59 | an0 | oh maybe its 'apt-get install openssh' instead of 'apt-get install openssh-server' like in lenny? |
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| 01:03.17 | an0 | I don't see openssh-server here: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ |
| 01:03.25 | centHOGG | weird |
| 01:03.37 | dondelelcaro | an0: no, it's openssh-server |
| 01:03.37 | centHOGG | thats like an automatic |
| 01:03.46 | an0 | =( |
| 01:03.58 | dondelelcaro | an0: the source package is named openssh though, so that's the directory it would be under. |
| 01:03.59 | an0 | says no installation candidate. am I missing a repo in sources.list? |
| 01:04.03 | an0 | ic |
| 01:04.07 | dondelelcaro | an0: what does apt-cache policy; say? |
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| 01:04.28 | an0 | a lot, is there something im looking for specifically/ |
| 01:04.30 | an0 | ?* |
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| 01:06.09 | dondelelcaro | an0: use a paste site to show us the output |
| 01:06.21 | an0 | cant, the server is cli only |
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| 01:06.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell an0 -about paste |
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| 01:08.49 | an0 | can't install pastebinit. |
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| 01:12.59 | an0 | dondelelcaro: I only see security.debian.org sources when I run 'apt-cache policy' |
| 01:13.59 | uiopqwer | is it possible to manually print out an evaulated PS1 variable, or can you only print out its raw form? |
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| 01:15.03 | an0 | oh wait, I fixed it. =) |
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| 01:15.35 | nsadmin | an0, pastebinit is just a convenience... whether you can install it or not doesn't change how annoyed people get when there's a stupid flood |
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| 01:16.27 | an0 | I understand. |
| 01:16.57 | an0 | fyi, i didn't run apt-get update after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:17.00 | an0 | Now it works :) |
| 01:17.07 | nsadmin | if you can't install pastebinit, you can try installing the perl nopaste, which requires some packaged modules and a module that isn't packaged |
| 01:17.08 | dondelelcaro | an0: so yeah, you don't have a real entry in your sources.list (or didn't run apt-get update) |
| 01:17.33 | an0 | Now I have pastebinit installed as well =P |
| 01:17.38 | nsadmin | if you can't get that either, you can try xclip |
| 01:17.43 | dondelelcaro | an0: presumably it became clear when you saw the output. ;-) |
| 01:17.51 | an0 | yes, let's go with that xD |
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| 01:18.37 | nsadmin | and failing all that, you'll have to do things by hand, or if you have a website on an internet-facing machine, you can put stuff up there |
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| 01:19.14 | an0 | Ah, right. That's a good idea. |
| 01:20.32 | nsadmin | so... lots of choices :) |
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| 01:21.53 | an0 | haha yes! thank you |
| 01:22.20 | an0 | I'm ready to physically install the machine in the server room now! |
| 01:22.30 | an0 | Then I can go home and work on it remotely =D |
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| 01:23.35 | an0 | Thanks for everyone's help! afk for the night |
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| 01:24.06 | max_sharpe | YAY installing servers |
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| 01:26.00 | kuznetzvo | christmas 2009 i was crawling under the floor of data center at work fishing cable and looking for patch blocks that were "supposed to be there" |
| 01:29.11 | fenugreek | that's funny |
| 01:29.39 | fenugreek | christmas 2009 I was laughing my butt off convincing this newb there were patch blocks under this data center |
| 01:29.41 | fenugreek | =) |
| 01:29.42 | nevyn | crawling aroudnd datacentres boo.. |
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| 01:32.00 | fenugreek | fornicating is a better verb than crawling |
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| 01:37.12 | centHOGG | forno |
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| 01:45.44 | rick__ | I run kvm qemu virtual manager and the virtual machines to not show the CD drive - what should I do ? |
| 01:45.58 | centHOGG | reinstall |
| 01:46.27 | fenugreek | rick__: groups? |
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| 01:46.58 | rick__ | fenugreek good start - |
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| 01:47.16 | k-man | is there a cli version of gnu parted? |
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| 01:47.44 | fenugreek | k-man: gnu parted is only CLI |
| 01:48.07 | k-man | fenugreek, ah, I think I was confused between gparted and gnu parted |
| 01:48.08 | fenugreek | gparted is a 3rd party GUI |
| 01:48.13 | rick__ | groups for what ? |
| 01:48.14 | fenugreek | =) |
| 01:48.21 | fenugreek | it's called parted =) |
| 01:48.34 | fenugreek | g- is a common prefix for 'GTK+ frontend version of... ' |
| 01:48.42 | fenugreek | occasionally for 'GNOME frontend version of... ' |
| 01:48.48 | fenugreek | (unfortunately) |
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| 01:48.50 | k-man | fenugreek, yeah, I was confused |
| 01:48.56 | fenugreek | k-man: yes you were! |
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| 01:51.17 | k-man | fenugreek, so... why does one need to use parted instead of trusty old fdisk? |
| 01:51.35 | dvs | k-man: fdisk can't resize |
| 01:51.47 | fenugreek | fdisk is basically just create and destroy |
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| 01:52.01 | dvs | god complex? |
| 01:52.01 | fenugreek | and you can change the type, which isn't that important |
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| 01:52.13 | fenugreek | sfdisk has a god complex |
| 01:52.42 | k-man | god complex? |
| 01:52.47 | fenugreek | god complex |
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| 01:54.23 | jetscreamer | hopes they fixed parted after all these years but has no intention of finding out the hard way |
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| 02:10.19 | ManateeL` | Hello, i have problem with ibus and gksu-polkit: I use sudo or gksu startup my application everything works fine, but when i use gksu-polkit startup my gtk application, ibus can't work, always display "no input window" at tray icon. Any idea? Thanks! |
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| 02:27.38 | doublehp | OT: i am trying to configure my phone to establish PPTP VPN to some debian server; debian says it does not find the password: http://pastebin.com/hQ4fAPbX i tried to create a local user, and put identical passwd in pap-secrets , no luck. any one can help ? |
| 02:28.43 | bookmark | hi, i get this error when im trying to install iceweasel: The following packages have unmet dependencies: iceweasel: Depends: xulrunner-1.9.1 (>= 1.9.1.16) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:28.55 | bookmark | any ideas? |
| 02:29.41 | wols | ,versions xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 02:29.43 | judd | Package xulrunner-1.9.1 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.1.16-6; lenny-backports: 1.9.1.16-8~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.9.1.16-8; squeeze-security: 1.9.1.16-8; sid: 1.9.1.19-3; wheezy: 1.9.1.19-3 |
| 02:29.54 | wols | !tell bookmark about bat |
| 02:30.33 | bookmark | hmm |
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| 02:32.57 | bookmark | is there a package for automounting usb drives? |
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| 02:33.07 | bookmark | or some such thing |
| 02:33.14 | Arrowmaster | !automount |
| 02:33.14 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 02:33.37 | bookmark | hmmm |
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| 02:33.58 | bookmark | command line |
| 02:34.02 | bookmark | so what do i put there? |
| 02:34.10 | Arrowmaster | !usb mount |
| 02:34.10 | dpkg | usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. See also <pmount>. |
| 02:34.25 | Arrowmaster | !pmount |
| 02:34.25 | dpkg | pmount ("policy mount") is an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks; e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1 (no superuser requirement, no need to create a mount point). You will need to be in the <plugdev> group, but you'll know that from reading /usr/share/doc/pmount/README.Debian. |
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| 02:34.46 | Arrowmaster | ive heard the other two mentioned for command line are outdated |
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| 02:35.20 | bookmark | doesn't support vfat by default? |
| 02:35.23 | bookmark | well what do i do? |
| 02:35.34 | wols | bookmark: you start to read? |
| 02:35.39 | bookmark | ehehe |
| 02:35.44 | bookmark | read what? |
| 02:36.09 | wols | what the helpful bot told you about |
| 02:36.16 | bookmark | man can someone just give me the address for chronix aggression |
| 02:36.19 | bookmark | hahaha |
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| 02:38.14 | doublehp | solution was: /etc/ppp/chap-secrets |
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| 02:39.28 | rick__ | what port should I open for sftp |
| 02:39.41 | Arrowmaster | 22 |
| 02:40.09 | rick__ | I need actually to forward a port - ok thanks Arrowmaster - so ftp is 21 and sftp 22 |
| 02:40.18 | Dewi | rick__: ssh is 22 |
| 02:40.29 | Dewi | rick__: sftp & scp run through ssh |
| 02:40.40 | Arrowmaster | ftp is 21 and 20 depending on active or passive |
| 02:41.26 | rick__ | so telnet is not ssh ? |
| 02:41.34 | rick__ | because it has port 23 |
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| 02:41.47 | Arrowmaster | telnet is completely different |
| 02:41.52 | Dewi | rick__: no, ssh replaced telnet |
| 02:42.20 | Dewi | that's the only thing they have in common |
| 02:42.31 | karlpinc | rick__: Plus you can't always tell what ports ftp is going to use. See it's RFC. The safest approach is to proxy ftp. (ftp bites, for many reasons.) |
| 02:42.34 | rick__ | any expert in Kvm virtualization - I have virtual manager and my CD disapererd |
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| 02:45.43 | zykotick9 | rick__, if you are using libvirt (and i think you mentioned you where in #kvm) in the Details of a VM, for IDE CDROM 1 - what happens if you select Connect button? Can you choose your drive? |
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| 02:55.31 | rick__ | zykotick9, the cd does not even show |
| 02:55.34 | rick__ | so weird |
| 02:55.37 | simonlnu | ftp is port 21, ftp-data is port 20. passive mode ftp doesn't use port 20 |
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| 02:56.06 | rick__ | the porst work - I think is was sftp 22 |
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| 02:57.59 | mns | !autofs |
| 02:58.00 | dpkg | autofs is a kernel-based automounter that mounts remote shares when directories are accessed. See http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127. Some regard it as a hackish p.o.s. and the 5 minute default timeout for unmounting is unlikely to be what you want. If you are looking for hotplugging support for USB storage, then ask me about <automount> instead. |
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| 02:59.22 | rick__ | thanks guys |
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| 02:59.46 | bookmark | is there some command to sync with the latest stable? |
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| 03:00.15 | mns | bookmark: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 03:00.30 | mns | bookmark: what version are you on in the first place ? |
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| 03:00.43 | ham5 | yes what a odd question |
| 03:00.53 | ham5 | mabey an arch user? |
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| 03:01.19 | ham5 | ;\ |
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| 03:02.05 | mns | probably |
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| 03:03.48 | ham5 | ban |
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| 03:04.42 | wols | !ops please remove althalus |
| 03:04.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: please remove althalus |
| 03:04.58 | wols | !ops please remove alexim. sorry, he jojos too much |
| 03:04.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: please remove alexim. sorry, he jojos too much |
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| 03:05.08 | ham5 | lol |
| 03:05.13 | ham5 | good save |
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| 03:05.43 | althalus | man I was about to say, what'd I do? |
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| 03:05.58 | wols | thank you |
| 03:05.59 | ham5 | bein a noob ;) |
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| 03:06.10 | wols | althalus: sorry for the mistype |
| 03:06.16 | althalus | wols: lol, np man |
| 03:06.28 | althalus | wols: tab completion can be a bitch ;) |
| 03:06.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ec2-50-17-181-33.compute-1.amazonaws.com] by JonathanD |
| 03:06.57 | peterS | OMG! they killed althalus! you bastards! |
| 03:07.26 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@ec2-50-17-181-33.compute-1.amazonaws.com] by JonathanD |
| 03:07.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ec2-50-17-181-33.compute-1.amazonaws.com] by JonathanD |
| 03:07.50 | kNC | Question: How do I page up in a console window? Cause when I listed with the -l option, it wasnt pretty. |
| 03:07.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o JonathanD] by JonathanD |
| 03:08.04 | ham5 | crtl page up? |
| 03:08.12 | mentor | ponders hitting up Amazon abuse |
| 03:08.16 | kNC | I dont know ham5, thats why I ask |
| 03:08.25 | ham5 | that dosent work?? |
| 03:08.33 | ham5 | ctrl + page up |
| 03:09.40 | peterS | eh, shift+pgup works here |
| 03:09.44 | kNC | nope. just tried it. if it helps any, it is my laptop im trying to scroll up as, its not the gui terminal, its a tty when i hit ctrl alt f2 |
| 03:09.52 | peterS | yeah, try shift+pgup |
| 03:10.04 | kNC | That works, thank you very much! |
| 03:10.11 | mentor | kNC: VT scroll back gets removed on VT change |
| 03:10.14 | peterS | also works in xterm |
| 03:10.41 | tharkun | i get this Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/perl5/Class/MOP/Class.pm line 785. It seems to be a bug where do i report it on debian or on cpan since it is a perl module? |
| 03:10.50 | mentor | kNC: You might also like less -S |
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| 03:11.06 | peterS | if you pipe ls through anything like less, though, you want to use ls -C |
| 03:11.28 | peterS | otherwise it detects that it's not outputting directly to a terminal, and switches to single-column output, as though you'd specified -1 |
| 03:12.28 | tharkun | peterS: ls -C|less is the same as ls -1|less |
| 03:12.54 | voltagex | Why would apt-get -t unstable source mercurial result in E: Ignore unavailable target release 'unstable' of package 'mercurial'? |
| 03:13.06 | peterS | tharkun: eh? only true if you have at least one filename so long that it's not possible for ls to do two columns of output |
| 03:13.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | voltagex: you don't hav eunstable in your sources list? |
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| 03:13.34 | george__ | anyone here use giveR? |
| 03:13.38 | voltagex | Kamping_Kaiser: do I need the deb line or only deb-src? |
| 03:13.51 | wols | voltagex: deb-src |
| 03:13.51 | peterS | voltagex: for apt-get source, you need deb-src |
| 03:13.53 | tharkun | peterS: I just tried it. That is why i am telling you |
| 03:13.56 | kNC | peterS, thank you, i really appreciate it. |
| 03:14.09 | voltagex | wols, peterS: I have that. |
| 03:14.29 | wols | voltagex: apt-get update ran? |
| 03:14.34 | voltagex | wols: yes. |
| 03:14.46 | peterS | tharkun: and I am telling you, -C means multi-column output if there is room for at least two columns, -1 means single column output. the default is -C if the output device is a terminal, or -1 if it is not |
| 03:14.47 | wols | then check your apt-get update output again |
| 03:15.44 | tharkun | peterS: My terminal might be screwing up yet i am telling you what happens on MY terminal |
| 03:16.11 | peterS | tharkun: what if you don't pipe through anything? are 'ls -1' and 'ls -C' still identical? and is it one column, or multiple columns? |
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| 03:16.43 | tharkun | ls -C is the same as ls ls -1 gives the same output as ls -C |less |
| 03:16.55 | peterS | and is it one column, or multiple columns? |
| 03:17.04 | tharkun | one column |
| 03:17.12 | mentor | strokes peterS until he is calm again |
| 03:17.14 | tharkun | ls gives two columns |
| 03:17.20 | peterS | so I'm guessing at least one or two of your filenames are long enough that there isn't room for two columns |
| 03:17.37 | tharkun | wrong, since ls gives a two column output |
| 03:18.01 | peterS | well, ls -C gives multi-column output for me here |
| 03:18.27 | peterS | ls -c of course is a whole different thing, that has to do with sort order |
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| 03:18.33 | tharkun | peterS: Just tried it on a full screen and ls -C gives 6 columns and ls -C|less only one |
| 03:18.51 | voltagex | wols: apt-get update, sources etc - http://pastebin.com/zBtpPe4Q |
| 03:19.07 | peterS | sounds like -C is completely ignored in your case. that's pretty odd. Debian has shipped the GNU coreutils version of ls since the beginning of time. |
| 03:19.30 | peterS | (well, technically I think it was part of fileutils until fileutils was merged into coreutils) |
| 03:19.39 | tharkun | I can live with it :-) |
| 03:20.13 | peterS | what does 'type ls' say? for me it says "ls is hashed (/bin/ls)" |
| 03:20.28 | peterS | (just wondering if your ls is actually a convenience alias of some sort) |
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| 03:22.57 | george__ | anyone use giver? |
| 03:23.09 | voltagex | george__: you may have more luck if you just state your problem. |
| 03:23.40 | mentor | peterS: Actually, it's refusing to give multi-column output for me as well |
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| 03:24.00 | peterS | mentor: and your ls isn't a convenience alias of some sort? |
| 03:24.15 | mentor | peterS: It's aliased to ls --color=auto -AhF |
| 03:24.28 | voltagex | yep, apt-get -t source also needs a deb line. |
| 03:25.14 | peterS | mentor: hmmm, but when I test ls --color=auto -AhF with or without -1 and -C, I get the same results as before. so those flags aren't affecting the test |
| 03:26.10 | mentor | argg |
| 03:26.25 | mentor | It's not working |
| 03:26.29 | mentor | now |
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| 03:28.01 | mentor | peterS: Actually, it's working in all but one of my terminals |
| 03:28.17 | mentor | peterS: So, I'm just going to back away from it slowly, and pretend I never saw it |
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| 03:28.23 | peterS | (: |
| 03:28.39 | bookmark | sup |
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| 03:28.45 | bookmark | hahah i got maya working in linux |
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| 03:28.55 | bookmark | now im going to try to run it on a cluster |
| 03:29.09 | mentor | Incidentally, one can use the prefix of \ to disable the use of an alias on the prefixed item |
| 03:29.13 | peterS | mentor: if you haven't backed away yet, it'd be interesting to see if bash is right about the widths of your terminals, especially the one where ls -C doesn't work. 'echo $COLUMNS'. |
| 03:29.21 | bookmark | anyong have any openSSI experience? |
| 03:29.28 | bookmark | anyone |
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| 03:29.46 | mentor | peterS: It's the same for all terminal |
| 03:29.47 | mentor | s |
| 03:30.09 | peterS | so, ls should have no trouble knowing the terminal widths either, then |
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| 03:34.04 | bookmark | anyone know how to install lxde if i don't have anything installed? |
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| 03:34.20 | ham5 | ask alot of questions bookmark |
| 03:34.22 | dondelelcaro | bookmark: aptitude install lxde; |
| 03:34.25 | ham5 | !anyone |
| 03:34.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:34.48 | bookmark | ok cool |
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| 03:35.27 | voltagex | well that's a little annoying - apt-get -t source mercurial doesn't bring down the source for mercurial-common |
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| 03:37.13 | voltagex | so when you try to builddeb there's a whole lot of missing files. |
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| 03:38.07 | bookmark | can i mount ntfs? |
| 03:38.24 | ham5 | omg |
| 03:38.30 | bookmark | read only is fine |
| 03:38.50 | ham5 | so yes you can mount ntfs stfu |
| 03:39.21 | bookmark | i think linux is faster than windows |
| 03:39.29 | bookmark | it seems faster with cloth sims |
| 03:39.31 | ham5 | i think you should stfu |
| 03:39.42 | bookmark | doesn't |
| 03:39.46 | bookmark | ;p |
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| 03:47.17 | nsadmin | voltagex, typically apt-get source gets the source of the specified package |
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| 03:48.58 | nsadmin | if you want source for another package, get that too |
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| 03:50.15 | buhman | I was trying to install syslinux on a usb drive, and while doing 'syslinux /dev/sdd1', I'm told that 'sh: mcopy not found' |
| 03:51.22 | nsadmin | buhman, it could be important to have mcopy. you could start by finding out how to get it |
| 03:51.59 | voltagex | buhman: a useful tool to have is apt-file, but how did you install syslinux? |
| 03:52.07 | buhman | nsadmin: hrm, it appears to be in mtools (I decided to emerge syslinux on gentoo really quick..) |
| 03:52.10 | buhman | why didn |
| 03:52.18 | buhman | didn't the syslinux package pull mtools in? |
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| 03:52.38 | voltagex | *checks which channel he's in* |
| 03:52.47 | catsup | buhman: it's merely a suggests |
| 03:52.47 | voltagex | buhman: apt-get install syslinux would help. |
| 03:52.55 | catsup | Suggests: dosfstools, mtools |
| 03:52.57 | buhman | voltagex: it didn't |
| 03:53.07 | voltagex | catsup: that's really odd if it's required for the scripts to work |
| 03:53.08 | nsadmin | you're asking why didn't a gentoo emerge of syslinux also emerge mtools? just checking, is that the question? |
| 03:53.17 | buhman | catsup: it obviously requires mtools; so it's packaged incorrectly |
| 03:53.24 | catsup | no it doesn't |
| 03:53.28 | buhman | nsadmin: no, I'm saying that's how I found out the package was called mtools |
| 03:53.30 | catsup | it requires mtools to install on your /dev/sdd1 |
| 03:53.38 | catsup | it doesn't require mtools to install on everything |
| 03:53.51 | buhman | catsup: that seems bizzare |
| 03:53.57 | catsup | well it isn't |
| 03:54.11 | buhman | the gentoo package maintainers don't seem to agree with you either |
| 03:54.17 | catsup | are you installing on a DOS partition? then you need mtools, tools for accessing DOS. |
| 03:54.43 | catsup | lol agree with me |
| 03:54.51 | catsup | i'm just explaining why it's a suggests and not a depends |
| 03:55.24 | catsup | in debian, when a dependency is not required for functionality, it is a suggests or a recommends, instead of a depends; and it won't be pulled in automatically unless you've configured apt to do so |
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| 03:55.48 | nsadmin | buhman, gentoo agreements are probably meaningless here |
| 03:56.01 | buhman | catsup: how do I configure apt to behave properly? |
| 03:56.12 | catsup | omg rtfm |
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| 03:56.24 | nsadmin | man 5 apt.conf? |
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| 04:00.24 | nsadmin | buhman, you have to remember that the two dists are diametrically different: gentoo compiles everything on each machine, debian uses binary packages and uses dependencies between packages. while plain users can't really tell the difference, installers/admins/root users in general see all those differences |
| 04:00.57 | nsadmin | if you don't like one of them, it's not like you don't have the choice to not use it |
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| 04:02.57 | Dewi | buhman: either it's a dependency bug or a bad script for using something without checking it's available |
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| 04:03.47 | nsadmin | ,depends syslinux |
| 04:03.49 | judd | Package syslinux -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), syslinux-common (= 2:4.02+dfsg-7). |
| 04:04.03 | nsadmin | ,depends syslinux-common |
| 04:04.04 | judd | Package syslinux-common -- depends: None. |
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| 04:08.25 | voltagex | what controls the architecture that dpkg-buildpackage builds for? |
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| 04:08.32 | nsadmin | Dewi, as you can see... the dep is simply not present |
| 04:09.14 | nsadmin | voltagex, the easiest thing to do is have machines of particular arches and native compilers |
| 04:09.38 | voltagex | nsadmin: no, the easiest thing is to have dpkg-buildpackage respect $ARCH and $TARGET |
| 04:10.13 | nsadmin | I suppose patches are welcome |
| 04:10.29 | wols | voltagex: dpkg --print-architecture probably |
| 04:10.55 | DeM0nFiRe | Hey guys, what would you expect a debian netinst with no extra packages installed and then xorg and xfce subsequently installed would use for RAM |
| 04:11.01 | nsadmin | but I don't think machines running buildd don't have a shitload of cross compilers |
| 04:12.19 | nsadmin | DeM0nFiRe, probably chips that store bits |
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| 04:12.54 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: 200MB or less? RAM usage on a VM system is fairly meaningless |
| 04:13.11 | DeM0nFiRe | wols: Why would you assume a VM system? |
| 04:13.30 | mcurran | Can't wait until I can play GTA IV natively on my debian system... |
| 04:13.46 | DeM0nFiRe | Also I am at 150MB but I though I've heard of it running in like 128MB or less so I am wondering if maybe there's some configuration I should do that I missed |
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| 04:15.08 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: virtual memory, not virtual machine |
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| 04:15.38 | DeM0nFiRe | Well |
| 04:15.42 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: check what process uses how much memory and if you need process X |
| 04:15.51 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah I did that already |
| 04:15.53 | Dewi | wols: what metric would you use instead? swappiness? |
| 04:16.09 | DeM0nFiRe | Didn't seem to be anything I didn't need, but it looks like XFCE is using more RAM than what I've heard |
| 04:16.36 | wols | Dewi: problem is, it's almost impossible to measure with shared libs, swap, etc |
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| 04:17.11 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: there is a reason why there are even lighter DEs around. and of course simple WMs |
| 04:17.38 | DeM0nFiRe | Sure, but I like XFCE, and the RAM usage is not prohibitively high, but if I can get it less I'd like to |
| 04:17.57 | DeM0nFiRe | So I am wondering if anyone here has done the same thing and has configured it to use less memory |
| 04:18.02 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: I like xfce, but I thought fluxbox WM was pretty good for something so minimal |
| 04:18.07 | wols | look at things outside xfce. you can cut RAM usage there too |
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| 04:19.07 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: what's xfce taking? like 80ish MiB? |
| 04:19.12 | DeM0nFiRe | Like I said, the usage I have now is not prohibitively high, it's well within what I was looking for, but also higher than what I've heard. I definitely will use XFCE even if I can't bring the memory down, but if I can bring the memory down I would like to |
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| 04:19.21 | Dewi | was looking at this just last week, but forgot already |
| 04:19.24 | DeM0nFiRe | Dewi: for xorg and xfce together, yeah about 80MB |
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| 04:21.42 | wols | if the rest of system takes 48MB this sounds high |
| 04:21.51 | rozie | there's also LXDE, looks and works pretty good |
| 04:22.43 | DeM0nFiRe | Rest of the system is about 60MB I believe |
| 04:22.58 | DeM0nFiRe | Plus the 80 of xorg and xfce makes it 140 |
| 04:23.08 | DeM0nFiRe | Also, this is minus buffers and cache |
| 04:23.11 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: remember that debian can run in a lot less than 48MB. it needs 48MB to install due to the size of the package database |
| 04:23.46 | DeM0nFiRe | wols: Well, what could I have done wrong in the install, it was just the latest stable netinst installing nothing extra from that |
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| 04:24.13 | DeM0nFiRe | Then I installed sudo, xorg, xfce, a web browser, xchat and pidgin |
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| 04:24.23 | DeM0nFiRe | But the 140- 150 is without the last 3 things |
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| 04:24.37 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: I told you above but you ignored it |
| 04:25.14 | DeM0nFiRe | You mean look for things outside xfce and xorg? |
| 04:25.16 | hotwings | anyone happen to know the name of the nvidia driver package off-hand? was going to try that installed of using the nvidia installer |
| 04:25.29 | DeM0nFiRe | Like I said, I haven't installed much on top of the netinst minimal install |
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| 04:25.54 | DeM0nFiRe | Literally all I've installed was what I said above, oh and I installed lynx and vim |
| 04:26.06 | wols | !tell hotwings about nvidia |
| 04:27.41 | DeM0nFiRe | So is there something I should be looking for in the netinst minimal install that isn't actually minimal? |
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| 04:28.03 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: stuff like xorg and DEs and browsers are not minimal |
| 04:28.10 | DeM0nFiRe | I know |
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| 04:28.16 | rozie | DeM0nFiRe: it doesn't matter which installer do you use. base system is base system |
| 04:28.18 | DeM0nFiRe | I said those were what I installed later myself |
| 04:28.39 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: so what in the base system do you think is causing contention? |
| 04:28.43 | DeM0nFiRe | rozie: Right but what I am saying is that I installed nothing on top of the base system during the debian installation |
| 04:28.44 | rozie | DeM0nFiRe: what session (login) manager do you use |
| 04:29.03 | DeM0nFiRe | Dewi: I don't know I didn't think there was anything wrong with what the system was using, wols said 60MB for the system was high |
| 04:29.16 | DeM0nFiRe | I still think XFCE could be using less RAM, that's what I was focusing on |
| 04:29.52 | DeM0nFiRe | rozie: The one that comes with debian, and then after I log in there I do startxfce4 manually because I am just testing it now, and then the xfce4-session starts up as well |
| 04:29.52 | rozie | XFCE was usable on 128 MB RAM 5-6 years ago |
| 04:30.10 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: you're running 32-bit right? |
| 04:30.13 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: there are half a dozen display managers that "come with debian" |
| 04:30.21 | wols | and NONE is installed normally |
| 04:30.22 | DeM0nFiRe | Dewi: 64 bit for this testing |
| 04:30.31 | DeM0nFiRe | wols: Right I installed NONE |
| 04:30.41 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: well that alone will contribute heaps to memory wastage |
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| 04:30.49 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: are you sure? when you boot up, do you get a GUI login? |
| 04:30.58 | DeM0nFiRe | nope, CLI |
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| 04:31.02 | rozie | I've read that XFCE now uses pretty much gnome (gtk?) libraries |
| 04:31.18 | wols | rozie: they always used gtk |
| 04:31.29 | DeM0nFiRe | wols like I said, I used netinst and unselected everything I was allowed to unselect (including I think it wanted to install GNOME) |
| 04:31.30 | rozie | DeM0nFiRe: go 32 bit, much less memory footprint |
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| 04:31.39 | Dewi | rozie: a fair bit of gnome stuff there, it's still a *lot* lighter than gnome, but it's a hell of a lot bigger than a minimal WM |
| 04:32.02 | DeM0nFiRe | rozie: Yeah I will do that as well |
| 04:32.08 | rozie | Dewi: that's my point: XFCE is no more so light |
| 04:32.13 | DeM0nFiRe | Well |
| 04:32.17 | DeM0nFiRe | xfce alone is still light |
| 04:32.18 | rozie | but haven't used it for years |
| 04:32.18 | hotwings | looks like nvidia-glx i guess |
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| 04:32.27 | DeM0nFiRe | Most people have their only experience with XFCE being from Xubuntu |
| 04:32.28 | hotwings | wish i knew which driver version theyre using without installing it firt |
| 04:32.31 | DeM0nFiRe | Which is XFCE on top of GNOME |
| 04:32.39 | DeM0nFiRe | So of course that is not light :P |
| 04:32.46 | wols | hotwings: depends on your videocard. and apt-cache show nvidia-glx shows you the exact version |
| 04:32.52 | rozie | DeM0nFiRe: you probably want to use bitlbee instead of pidgin |
| 04:33.00 | DeM0nFiRe | pidgin was off anywya |
| 04:33.02 | DeM0nFiRe | anyway* |
| 04:33.20 | hotwings | 118MB for nvidia-glx with all its crap ass dependencies.. jesus christ |
| 04:33.29 | DeM0nFiRe | This is just with debian, xorg, xfce and the uterm that comes with xfce running |
| 04:34.04 | DeM0nFiRe | and just a free -m gives 140 - 150MB of RAM with no SWAP and minus all buffers and cache |
| 04:34.26 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: sounds alright to me, since you're in 64bit |
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| 04:34.37 | rozie | and how much RAM physically does machine have? |
| 04:34.52 | DeM0nFiRe | This machine I am using to test has 6GB of RAM :P |
| 04:35.16 | DeM0nFiRe | But later I will put it on my netbook, in 32 bit form |
| 04:35.20 | DeM0nFiRe | Which has 1GB of RAM |
| 04:35.25 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: if you want to do a serious test, make a VM with less RAM, and measure *whether it's swapping* |
| 04:35.33 | DeM0nFiRe | (So I will use SWAP then, of course) |
| 04:35.33 | rozie | I'm here on 1 GB machine |
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| 04:35.40 | DeM0nFiRe | Well |
| 04:35.41 | rozie | no need to do fancy things |
| 04:36.01 | hotwings | so if you install nvidia-glx on a certain kernel, then boot into a different kernel... is the driver still available, or do you have to reinstall it over (as is true with the nvidia installer) |
| 04:36.08 | DeM0nFiRe | I am trying to make a debian setup that will be good for gaming, because I am working on a couple games and so I want to test them out on my netbook with it's 1GB of RAM |
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| 04:36.37 | rozie | running LXDE + slim, iceweasel, chromium, liferea, wicd, konsole (like this app) |
| 04:36.40 | DeM0nFiRe | Right now it is looking like the game will use 300 - 500MB of RAM for itself, so would like to get everything else low |
| 04:36.44 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: 10s of MBs won't make any difference to games |
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| 04:37.16 | DeM0nFiRe | Dewi: Right, which is why I said XFCE is well within what I need it to be in, but just that I have heard less so I was wondering where I may have gone wrong |
| 04:37.17 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: and what's important is how swappable it is. Some things just use virtual and never bother you again |
| 04:37.25 | DeM0nFiRe | And if it's just 64 bit versus 32 bit then it's fine |
| 04:38.03 | rozie | DeM0nFiRe: you will have 500 MB free if you don't run webbrowser |
| 04:38.40 | DeM0nFiRe | Heh well depends on what web browser! I get the lowest RAM usage with IE9, but unfortunately IE's not an option :D |
| 04:38.41 | rozie | I have 200 MB free right now (iceweasel and chromium running) |
| 04:38.49 | DeM0nFiRe | But yeah for firefox, that would certainly start to cut it close |
| 04:39.01 | DeM0nFiRe | Although I would think firefox would be one of the first things to get booted to swap, no? |
| 04:39.10 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: FF is the lowest RAM of any of them these days |
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| 04:39.27 | DeM0nFiRe | Really? Last time I check it started at 100MB and went up to 1GB if you let it run long enough |
| 04:39.27 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: once you open a few tabs |
| 04:39.56 | DeM0nFiRe | For IE9 I get about 40mb for the main process and ~ of 6Mb per tab/window |
| 04:40.34 | DeM0nFiRe | I haven't checked FF4 so I don't know how much they improved that, but with FF3.6 I had to stop using it because my netbook just was not liking that |
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| 04:40.56 | leefan | how do you boot firefox to swap? |
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| 04:41.35 | DeM0nFiRe | Well, the linux memory manager decides when an application gets physical and when an application gets swap, no? |
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| 04:42.18 | leefan | i guess? lol |
| 04:42.30 | DeM0nFiRe | I would think given the frequency at which the RAM is being used by a game, it would generally get pretty high priority to stay on the RAM. Of course I don't actually know a whole lot about the memory manager, I am just making assumptions that it is sane :D |
| 04:42.33 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: that's not really how it works |
| 04:42.59 | leefan | so how would i start up iceweasel to swap? |
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| 04:43.06 | Dewi | DeM0nFiRe: actively used stuff is in RAM, stuff will only swap out when it hasn't been used for a while, and when RAM is low |
| 04:43.13 | wols | leefan: you can't |
| 04:43.16 | leefan | ah |
| 04:43.21 | leefan | alright then |
| 04:43.24 | DeM0nFiRe | Dewi: Well, that's what I was saying, I guess I wasn't very clear |
| 04:43.39 | leefan | haha what you said earlier seemed to have suggested you could |
| 04:43.40 | wols | leefan: system does it automatically if needed and possible |
| 04:43.42 | leefan | so i got excited =P |
| 04:43.42 | kingsley2 | How would you clean up the kernel, sysvinit, initramfs-tools and possibly udev packages on a system that won't boot? chroot? |
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| 04:43.48 | DeM0nFiRe | but I would think that with the RAM activity of a game, it would get pretty high priority to stay on the physical RAM |
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| 04:44.04 | wols | kingsley2: one way, yes |
| 04:44.23 | wols | DeM0nFiRe: not all pages of a game are actually used |
| 04:44.26 | kingsley2 | wols: Please elaborate. |
| 04:44.32 | DeM0nFiRe | wols sure, of course |
| 04:44.44 | DeM0nFiRe | But the stuff that I need to stay in RAM will be used frequently |
| 04:44.58 | DeM0nFiRe | Basically storing the images when they can't fit on VRAM |
| 04:45.00 | wols | !fixgrub |
| 04:45.01 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 04:45.14 | DeM0nFiRe | Got 1GB of RAM on my netbook but only 384MB of VRAM |
| 04:45.19 | wols | something like that but instead of update-grub and such, you reinstall your kernel |
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| 04:50.43 | DeM0nFiRe | I will likely upgrade the RAM in this system to 2GB eventually, but to first make sure it runs on my netbook stock (well, with win 7 replaced with a low ram debian) would be nice |
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| 04:51.11 | centHOGG | depends |
| 04:51.22 | kingsley2 | !rescue mode |
| 04:51.22 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
| 04:51.29 | grr | How do I realy get rid of lxde? I apt-get --purged it but xdm keeps loading lxde.. |
| 04:51.31 | DeM0nFiRe | centHOGG: Was that depends @ me? |
| 04:51.47 | kingsley2 | wols: Thanks for the tips. |
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| 04:51.53 | centHOGG | yeah, like computers are moving towards sandy bridge computing power |
| 04:52.02 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh sure |
| 04:52.04 | centHOGG | next generation |
| 04:52.12 | DeM0nFiRe | But there are still people who have netbooks |
| 04:52.15 | DeM0nFiRe | (like me :D ) |
| 04:52.21 | DeM0nFiRe | I mean I have a nice desktop too but |
| 04:52.46 | DeM0nFiRe | basically I want to make it so as long as somone has 1GB of RAM and an actual GPU then they should be able to play my game |
| 04:53.06 | DeM0nFiRe | Some of the intel graphics chips should work, but you'd probably need more RAM as well! |
| 04:53.45 | centHOGG | true |
| 04:54.11 | kingsley2 | wols: For what it's worth, I'd already tried chroot and "aptitude install", but I didn't know extra mounts for dev and proc. Perhaps predictably, the next boot from the hard disk quickly ended with a kernel panic. |
| 04:54.19 | DeM0nFiRe | But yeah I mean |
| 04:54.31 | DeM0nFiRe | This desktop is i7 920, 6GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD5850 |
| 04:54.44 | DeM0nFiRe | If I make a game that CANT run on this machine, then I've done something terribly wrong :P |
| 04:55.04 | DeM0nFiRe | So that's not much of a target platform |
| 04:55.19 | kingsley2 | wols: I'll try chroot-ing again, but with the extra mounts, and then dpkg-reconfigure sysvinit and initramfs-tools. |
| 04:56.11 | wols | kingsley2: prc and dev are only needed for grub reinstalls |
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| 04:57.35 | grr | guys is there a way to get rid of lxde? it should be purged but it aint... |
| 04:58.00 | wols | grr: dpkg -l |grep lxde |
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| 04:59.23 | grr | thx wols |
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| 05:30.30 | grr | Where did the xorg configuration file go? |
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| 05:32.44 | jokar | hello all |
| 05:33.04 | jokar | can i resize linux partition with out Losing Data? |
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| 05:34.45 | kramotaq | yes |
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| 05:34.57 | kramotaq | look into Gparted Live CD? Google for it. |
| 05:35.06 | jokar | yeah i know it |
| 05:35.30 | kramotaq | but also depending on what partition it is |
| 05:35.35 | jokar | i have 512 mb Swap partition and want increast it |
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| 05:36.16 | jokar | i want resize my linux partition for add more swap partition |
| 05:38.07 | kramotaq | i'm afraid you should backup the data first |
| 05:38.12 | kramotaq | before spliting the partition |
| 05:38.19 | kramotaq | read parted docs |
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| 05:38.50 | jokar | i have 512 MB swap partition but debian not use it !!! |
| 05:39.10 | jokar | when i see my system monitor,my swap only useb 128KB |
| 05:39.16 | jokar | ? |
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| 05:45.56 | matsuura | Hi, I don't feel like reconfiguring EVERYTHING again... I don't want to back up tons of data right now etc. Can I just install debian over archlinux? It's such a piece of shit and only getting worse. You know what? Fuck it.. I'm going to set up rsync or something |
| 05:46.01 | matsuura | thanks... |
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| 05:47.00 | linux_inferno | Can anyone in here help me with LDAP |
| 05:47.24 | matsuura | It all varies on if you can ask a question the strictly relates to LDAP... |
| 05:47.25 | grr | got a situation here |
| 05:47.54 | grr | Been busy all night now none of the window managers will load, xdm always returns to itself |
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| 05:49.10 | linux_inferno | hmm... Well, I just compiled and installed OpenLDAP from source. It works and was running, I started to build the DIT tree and now it won't let me authenticate, even if i try a plaintext password in slapd.conf |
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| 05:54.48 | Bushmills | grr: try startx /usr/bin/xterm, then run window manager from the hopefully opening xterm |
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| 05:58.38 | george__ | what's the difference between using ntfs and ntfs-3g for mounting in fstab? |
| 05:58.52 | mosno | george__, you can write with 3g |
| 05:59.08 | mosno | george__, 3g is a FUSE module, ntfs is a kernel module |
| 05:59.24 | george__ | mosno, hmm, but how come I can write not with it mounted as only ntfs? |
| 05:59.29 | george__ | now* |
| 05:59.46 | mosno | george__, historically that was a bad idea... perhaps that has changed lately |
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| 05:59.55 | george__ | i write torrents to it all the time |
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| 06:00.05 | george__ | so there's no difference? |
| 06:00.09 | mosno | george__, perhaps check if the kernel module is still experimental |
| 06:00.54 | PrivateAlpha | Uh, is there anyway to get Right click in file browser -> open terminal here ? |
| 06:01.03 | jelly-home | george__: that inability to write IS the main difference |
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| 06:01.18 | jelly-home | use ntfs-3g |
| 06:01.24 | Bushmills | PrivateAlpha: with some file browsers, yes. with others, no. |
| 06:01.27 | george__ | jelly-home, well, I guess they changed it, since I'm able to write |
| 06:01.48 | skilz | how to install xmms infopipe module? |
| 06:01.49 | PrivateAlpha | Bushmills: could you recommend one then?:) |
| 06:02.39 | Bushmills | frequently used are nautilus and konqueror. both can do that. nautilus through extra config, or installing an additional package |
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| 06:09.44 | jkidnyc | Ne linux meetups happening in the LA area soon? |
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| 06:15.07 | Dutchy | I hope there's people awake here |
| 06:15.28 | Dutchy | I have a server which has a failed upgrade from lenny->squeeze |
| 06:15.47 | Dutchy | I am probably able to chroot into the install, do you think I can fix it that way? |
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| 06:18.26 | roniwiz | hello world! |
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| 06:20.30 | skilz | how to install xmms infopipe module? |
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| 06:23.38 | PrivateAlpha | skilz: Did you download it? |
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| 06:24.34 | Bushmills | Dutchy: yes, probably |
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| 06:27.19 | Lahnosh | Hi, I have a monitor into the VGA port of the laptop when I suspend the laptop, the back can not see anything on the monitors as I have the vga port as primary. |
| 06:27.20 | Lahnosh | when the second monitor into the VGA is not connected, all operate normally. |
| 06:27.20 | Lahnosh | any ideas? |
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| 06:30.38 | skilz | PrivateAlpha: No, where do I get it from? It's not in the repos |
| 06:30.39 | Bushmills | Lahnosh: you can use xrandr to switch between outputs |
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| 06:35.24 | Dutchy | Are there any guides on how to recover debian (using chroot) after a failed upgrade? |
| 06:36.20 | roniwiz | Lahnosh: xrandr will do, unless the problem is on your xorg.conf |
| 06:39.55 | skilz | How do I apt-get install glib 1.2 or later? |
| 06:40.16 | skilz | So much stuff comes up when I apt-cache search glib |
| 06:40.20 | Sgt_Lemming | skilz, find the package name |
| 06:40.26 | Sgt_Lemming | the exact package you need |
| 06:40.38 | Sgt_Lemming | then "apt-get install <package> |
| 06:40.39 | skilz | the package I need is glib |
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| 06:40.58 | skilz | Sgt_Lemming: Thats the only thing it doesn't show just 'glib' |
| 06:41.16 | Sgt_Lemming | because there is more than one thing that uses/requires glib |
| 06:41.21 | Sgt_Lemming | and more than one version of it |
| 06:41.33 | skilz | Whats the name of the latest one? |
| 06:41.39 | Sgt_Lemming | google knows |
| 06:42.22 | Karen_m | i'm using aptitude to install a package. I see that a version lower than the one I'm using supposedly was patched. Is there a way to find out if a binary was patched somehow? Maybe if I grabbed the source of the package, would it show the patched version they used? |
| 06:42.27 | Sgt_Lemming | generally, I just google the name of what I am looking for, and 99% of the time the first google result is the correct hit |
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| 06:43.02 | Sgt_Lemming | Karen_m, if the version lower was patched I would expect the new version to include the patch as part of the base binary |
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| 06:43.07 | Sgt_Lemming | i.e. not require patching |
| 06:43.58 | Karen_m | Sgt_Lemming, yes but how do I check to see if it was in fact patched in this version? Can i grab the source somehow for the package, grep for a line in a certain file that I know was changed or is there a better way? |
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| 06:44.35 | Sgt_Lemming | probably, here's a better idea, check the version history for said package |
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| 06:49.43 | Dutchy | I have something weird, my /boot and my /grub are empty |
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| 06:49.49 | Dutchy | /boot/grub i mean |
| 06:50.18 | Dutchy | I just reinstalled the kernel image but it's still empty, any idea how that happens? |
| 06:50.24 | Dutchy | this is in a chroot |
| 06:50.31 | Dutchy | and im sure im mounted the drive |
| 06:50.36 | Dutchy | i've |
| 06:50.57 | Karen_m | having a weird issue, i've got 24 GB, and when a process gets to 16GB, it segfaults with OOM, why is that? |
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| 06:55.53 | Sgt_Lemming | Karen_m, running a 32 or 64 bit kernel? |
| 06:56.18 | Karen_m | 64 |
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| 06:57.15 | Dutchy | I cant get my existing install to work, any advice before I try to debootstrap a new install over the current install? |
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| 06:57.47 | Dutchy | I mean, before i mess up |
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| 07:04.53 | anddam | hi |
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| 07:05.21 | anddam | I'm looking at Mint Debian Edition, I read that with a rolling distro you never have to reinstall your system in order to upgrade it |
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| 07:05.31 | anddam | but how's that different from dist-upgrade? |
| 07:05.48 | anddam | I mean I went through a few release and never re-installed from scratch |
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| 07:06.39 | simonlnu | anddam: there is no such thing as mint debian |
| 07:07.03 | anddam | it's not an adjective |
| 07:07.11 | anddam | it's Linux Mint Debian Edition |
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| 07:07.46 | anddam | simonlnu: but maybe I didn't understand what you meant |
| 07:08.16 | ham5 | linux mint has a debian version, debian is debian, your in the wrong channel anddam |
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| 07:08.46 | simonlnu | there is only debian. all others are derivatives. |
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| 07:09.22 | anddam | simonlnu: that's really different from what you said before |
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| 07:09.33 | simonlnu | no it is not |
| 07:09.41 | simonlnu | you misunderstood |
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| 07:10.09 | anddam | ham5: I've been a debian user for several years, now I read this statement for another distro and I wonder how's that different from what I've always done when going from a Debian release to another |
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| 07:10.23 | anddam | ham5: it doesn't seem very OT to me |
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| 07:11.14 | nkuttler | !tell anddam about based on debian |
| 07:11.57 | anddam | nkuttler: that's false |
| 07:12.05 | anddam | I'm a Debian user. Period. |
| 07:12.17 | simonlnu | anddam: debian -- has been as long as i've used it -- able to be upgraded from one release to another (since 2002). i can't say the same for derivative distros. |
| 07:12.17 | ham5 | [anddam VERSION reply]: LimeChat for Mac 2.26 |
| 07:12.26 | ham5 | ok dood what ever, your a troll, beat it |
| 07:12.30 | anddam | jeez |
| 07:12.33 | simonlnu | anddam: whatever doc you read might be in error |
| 07:12.37 | anddam | jeezes |
| 07:12.44 | nevyn | !mint |
| 07:12.45 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 07:12.52 | simonlnu | ham5: um, anddam has been here before. no need for name calling |
| 07:13.11 | ham5 | obvious troll is obvious? ;) |
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| 07:13.53 | simonlnu | right, ok. believe what you want, i know differently. |
| 07:14.29 | anddam | simonlnu: are you simonrvn? |
| 07:14.44 | simonlnu | anddam: yup |
| 07:15.04 | anddam | I recall your nick, maybe on -ppc too |
| 07:15.11 | simonlnu | yup |
| 07:15.15 | anddam | let me rephrase |
| 07:15.36 | anddam | point 3 http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php seems to imply that non "rolling distribution" would require a re-install when relase bumps |
| 07:16.13 | nevyn | that's not the common definition of a rolling distribution. |
| 07:16.13 | anddam | I never did with my debian systems as I went from a release to another with apt |
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| 07:16.30 | nevyn | in that a rolling distribution is one that doesn't have releases (like rawhide or sid) |
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| 07:17.22 | anddam | nevyn: that makes more sense |
| 07:17.25 | simonlnu | i think they're confused with what that means, along the same lines as nevyn said |
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| 07:18.52 | nevyn | however the fact that some distributions provide no sane upgrade path between major version toher than a complete re-install is a pox on the it industry |
| 07:18.59 | nevyn | see redhat and suse particularly |
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| 07:19.33 | simonlnu | i always found that odd. |
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| 07:20.45 | anddam | I'm reading the buffer, I'm amazed a simple question was that hard to discuss |
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| 07:21.00 | anddam | IRC is a harsh mistress - http://xkcd.com/386 |
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| 07:22.24 | nevyn | hrm |
| 07:22.46 | simonlnu | irc is instant, and sometimes the thoughts that pour out are just so, people don't always think of what they say beforehand ;). |
| 07:23.07 | leefan | anyone wanna recommend a good audio and video converter? |
| 07:23.58 | simonlnu | mplayer/mencoder |
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| 07:24.32 | ParkerR | If anyone has any objections say aye https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qj3iusjz87yvwf/nvidia.sh |
| 07:24.55 | anddam | I use ffmpeg for most tasks |
| 07:24.59 | ParkerR | Hmm even though I have sudo in front of cat I get ./nvidia.sh: 6: cannot create /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission denied |
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| 07:25.15 | ParkerR | Trying to make this to help some people |
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| 07:26.40 | anddam | so being based on Testing LMDE is actually a rolling distribution |
| 07:27.17 | ParkerR | Anyone know why it does that? |
| 07:27.36 | simonlnu | i'm guessing - since i can't see it - you have a redirect somewhere. use sudo sh -c "your command >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf" or similar |
| 07:28.10 | simonlnu | but why do this when you can just install a debian package? |
| 07:28.23 | ParkerR | simonlnu, because it isnt that easy sometimes |
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| 07:29.16 | anddam | ParkerR: but sometimes it is even easier |
| 07:29.22 | ParkerR | Oh? |
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| 07:30.19 | simonlnu | !nvidia-dkms |
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| 07:30.27 | simonlnu | !nvidia dkms |
| 07:30.27 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 07:30.46 | ParkerR | Hmm |
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| 07:31.19 | ParkerR | So that is all one loine? |
| 07:31.22 | ParkerR | *line |
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| 07:31.38 | simonlnu | semi-colons are where you can hit enter |
| 07:31.47 | simonlnu | like usual |
| 07:32.35 | ParkerR | Hmm |
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| 07:33.56 | GoodAD | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.05 | GoodAD | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.13 | simonlnu | ... |
| 07:34.26 | GoodAD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:34.34 | anddam | that won't last long |
| 07:34.49 | nevyn | !ops GoodAD is spamming |
| 07:34.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: GoodAD is spamming |
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| 07:35.25 | GoodAD | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.30 | ParkerR | Kick! |
| 07:35.42 | GoodAD | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.56 | simonlnu | (it knows how to use a ^j but not a ' '...) |
| 07:36.21 | ParkerR | GoodAD, please take the spam somewhere else |
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| 07:37.10 | simonlnu | /ignore -replies GoodAD |
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| 07:37.22 | streuner | done |
| 07:37.42 | ParkerR | Umm XD |
| 07:37.44 | ParkerR | Unknown arg 'GoodAD' ignored. |
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| 07:37.59 | GoodAD | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.07 | simonlnu | your client might not have -replies |
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| 07:38.18 | simonlnu | and format is probably different |
| 07:38.22 | ParkerR | Oh btw fixed https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qj3iusjz87yvwf/nvidia.sh just sudo chmod +x nvidia.sh and sudo ./nvidia.sh |
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| 07:38.37 | ParkerR | I had sudo in the script XD |
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| 07:40.01 | simonlnu | \o/ |
| 07:40.09 | ParkerR | :D |
| 07:40.15 | simonlnu | ah |
| 07:40.19 | ParkerR | Thanks mentor |
| 07:40.31 | ParkerR | !help |
| 07:40.37 | mentor | Interesting idea though |
| 07:40.46 | ParkerR | What mine? |
| 07:40.51 | mentor | The spammer |
| 07:40.54 | ParkerR | Oh |
| 07:41.13 | ParkerR | I feel like https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qj3iusjz87yvwf/nvidia.sh just sudo chmod +x nvidia.sh and sudo ./nvidia.sh should be a dpkg response |
| 07:41.21 | ParkerR | ;) |
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| 07:41.58 | mentor | I thought there was an nvidia installer package hanging around |
| 07:42.12 | ParkerR | Ehh the steps on the wiki imo are better |
| 07:42.21 | ParkerR | And those are from the wiki |
| 07:42.39 | ParkerR | Just all nice and ready for a beginner |
| 07:43.37 | ParkerR | mentor, that is really my first bash script XD |
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| 07:50.31 | anddam | those steps have been polished with tears |
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| 07:57.05 | sauvin | All my "steps" have been polished to a very high gloss with some truly blood-curdling foul language. |
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| 07:58.01 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 07:58.20 | simonlnu | i was thinking "blood, sweat, and tears" or something along those lines |
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| 08:00.13 | sauvin | More like blood, swearing and "I gonna make this !@#$@!#% computer box !@#$@#% fear me yet, otherwise, it's getting !@#$@#%@# shoved up its !@#$#@%# sideways!" |
| 08:00.30 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 08:01.00 | simonlnu | i don't swear much anymore... more like grunts and "ARGH!"s |
| 08:01.30 | nevyn | yawns again. |
| 08:01.53 | anddam | simonlnu: the dutch song? |
| 08:03.09 | simonlnu | dunno what you're talking about, sorry |
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| 08:06.47 | simonlnu | g'night |
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| 08:11.48 | anddam | night |
| 08:13.13 | Karen_m | I have percona-server-server-5.5 installed, which works. I want to patch it, but when I run: apt-get source percona-server-server-5.5, it says: E: Unable to find a source package for percona-server-5.5 |
| 08:13.28 | Karen_m | i do have the deb-src http://repo.percona.com/apt squeeze main line in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 08:13.52 | Karen_m | So how would I patch the percona-server with one of their patches and use that binary? |
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| 08:14.34 | anddam | simonlnu: still there? |
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| 08:15.12 | flores | hi, I have a very strange problem on my debian, when I initialize it networking seems to work, but after sometimes it completely stops, I cannot either ping a machine on the same network or acces the internet, I do not know how to proceed. |
| 08:16.06 | anddam | flores: are interfaces up? |
| 08:16.13 | ham5 | you know its debian problem flores? |
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| 08:17.55 | mjt | dmesg shows anything, like "eth0: link lost" ? |
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| 08:18.20 | ham5 | ah, good call |
| 08:18.24 | flores | eth0 and wlan are up |
| 08:18.35 | flores | maybe this is a problem? |
| 08:19.44 | flores | ham5: I do not understand your question... |
| 08:20.03 | ham5 | yea forget it, anything in the logs? |
| 08:20.05 | flores | I am trying to disable wlan |
| 08:20.07 | mjt | if both eth0 and wlan are up there may be routing conflict |
| 08:20.29 | mjt | if both are used for a default route |
| 08:21.31 | flores | mjt: ok, I am not sure why debian is putting both up, I will try to disable the wlan |
| 08:21.49 | mjt | it initializes all hardware found |
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| 08:22.05 | mjt | what goes next depends on your network configuration |
| 08:22.35 | mjt | but usually wlan isn't activated automatically - you have to join some network |
| 08:22.52 | mjt | (for ethernet equivalent is to plug in the cable) |
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| 08:25.10 | dokma | is there a way to use my old 56K USR to make phone calls on my debian box? |
| 08:25.11 | flores | mjt: Do you know how to avoid having both configured? I thought for wlan It would ask me for a passwd before it puts me up |
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| 08:28.35 | mjt | I don't know how to have it configured by default |
| 08:28.54 | mjt | as i said you have to do something before wlan gets connected |
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| 08:29.33 | flores | mjt: So i will have to dig in init.d/ to find it ... |
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| 08:29.50 | mjt | i highly doubt it's in there if you didn't configure it |
| 08:29.58 | mjt | as in, There's No Magic(tm) |
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| 08:38.00 | patrakov | does anyone have 5.1 speakers connected via spdif or hdmi? I want you to test my DTS encoder before the release. |
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| 08:52.52 | UukGoblin | hi, how can I reinsta |
| 08:53.17 | ROKO__ | hallo |
| 08:53.18 | UukGoblin | hi, how can I reinstall a package, overwriting any local config file changes I've done? |
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| 08:54.00 | ROKO__ | hm do you try apt-ret reinstall package |
| 08:54.19 | ROKO__ | or apt-get --force install package |
| 08:54.28 | UukGoblin | I've rmed /etc/fonts/fonts.conf (it became corrupted), did apt-get install --reinstall --purge fontconfig-config; and the file still didn't reappear |
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| 08:57.06 | UukGoblin | E: Invalid operation reinstall |
| 08:57.12 | UukGoblin | E: Command line option --force is not understood |
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| 08:58.26 | mjt | it's install --reinstall |
| 08:58.39 | UukGoblin | I've done that |
| 08:58.47 | UukGoblin | it left the config files unchanged |
| 08:59.14 | llutz | UukGoblin: you'd have to purge it, then install again to get rid of the configs |
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| 08:59.32 | mjt | dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/fontconfig... |
| 08:59.33 | dpkg | mjt: are you using Windows? |
| 08:59.44 | mjt | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 08:59.44 | dpkg | no, stupid mjt |
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| 09:00.51 | EyesIsMine|iPod | I'm going to steal the source code for that bot one day |
| 09:01.21 | ham5 | lol |
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| 09:01.53 | EyesIsMine|iPod | dpkg: where's your source code? |
| 09:01.54 | dpkg | i don't know, EyesIsMine|iPod |
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| 09:02.10 | UukGoblin | mjt, that's awesome, thanks! |
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| 09:02.27 | UukGoblin | llutz, purging a package like that would remove half of my system |
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| 09:02.51 | EyesIsMine|iPod | dpkg: Why not? |
| 09:02.51 | dpkg | Because I don't like you. |
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| 09:07.37 | petern_ | hmm, are there any repos with a newer mono for squeeze? |
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| 09:08.09 | ham5 | petern_ looked at unstable or experimental? |
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| 09:08.46 | ham5 | ,versions mono |
| 09:08.48 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mono' was found in i386. |
| 09:08.52 | nirgal | linux kernel 3 in testing this morning \o/ |
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| 09:09.21 | petern_ | yeah, experimental as 2.10.1, but i'm not really keen on using experimental on what will be a production system |
| 09:09.58 | ham5 | but you want a newer version, your not going to be 'stable' any longer once you change versions... |
| 09:10.19 | ham5 | Linux localhost 3.0.1h5l #5 SMP Sat Aug 6 08:27:24 HADT 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:10.51 | petern_ | if i can keep the rest of the system on squeeze... |
| 09:11.40 | ham5 | yup |
| 09:12.03 | ham5 | dont upgrade, just install your package and dependencys, hope for the best :) |
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| 09:14.33 | ROKO__ | (12:01:32) (EyesIsMine|iPod) dpkg: Why not? |
| 09:14.33 | ROKO__ | (12:01:32) (dpkg) Because I don't like you. |
| 09:14.35 | ROKO__ | hahah |
| 09:14.58 | ROKO__ | dpkg skype amd64 |
| 09:14.59 | dpkg | ROKO__: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:15.09 | ROKO__ | hm how work this bot |
| 09:15.19 | ROKO__ | dpkg skype amd64? |
| 09:15.21 | dpkg | ROKO__: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:15.25 | mjt | lol |
| 09:15.30 | ham5 | ;) |
| 09:15.49 | ROKO__ | mjt пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
| 09:16.21 | wols | petern_: you can try and backport. it might works (or not) |
| 09:16.44 | mjt | backporting stuff from experimental to stable is.. well.. risky :) |
| 09:16.54 | mjt | it's in experimental for a reason, i think |
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| 09:17.25 | mjt | for lenny it has been backported (2.6.7-4~bpo50+2) |
| 09:17.29 | ham5 | can you downgrade from a backport if something arises? |
| 09:17.37 | ROKO__ | seen kmuto |
| 09:17.45 | Admc` | hello, it is possible to set timezone for single user without root rights? |
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| 09:18.00 | mjt | set it in your .profile |
| 09:18.28 | mjt | actually.. with all this modern gui stuff... i don't know where to set it anyore. |
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| 09:18.39 | wols | Admc`: set the TZ env variable |
| 09:18.50 | mjt | set it _wher_ ? |
| 09:19.04 | mjt | stuff in gnome/kde/etc should display the same timezone too |
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| 09:19.21 | mjt | so it has to be set before the desktop environment starts |
| 09:19.23 | wols | .xinit for example |
| 09:19.24 | Admc` | export TZ=Europe/Warsaw will work? |
| 09:19.39 | Admc` | I don't have xorg here |
| 09:19.40 | mjt | with .xinit you overwrite everything |
| 09:19.43 | Admc` | only shhell |
| 09:19.47 | Admc` | shell* |
| 09:19.54 | mjt | for only shell that export in ~/.profile will work |
| 09:20.04 | mjt | (or bash_profile, whatever) |
| 09:20.05 | Admc` | thanks |
| 09:20.09 | Admc` | I'll try it |
| 09:20.29 | mjt | TZ=Europe/Warshaw date -- that will display right date already |
| 09:20.49 | mjt | (so it can be set per-process not only per-user) |
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| 09:23.19 | Admc` | thanks everyone, I need to resrart irssi ;) |
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| 09:25.29 | flores | mjt: hi again, I have switched off the automatic configuration of wlan, and now only eth0 is being put up. But the problem persists: when I reboot, I can for example ping a machine on the local network, if after that I try to use ssh or scp I do not get a connection, and if i try to ping again the host is no found ... |
| 09:25.49 | flores | Would someone help me with this? |
| 09:25.59 | mjt | the host is not found |
| 09:26.04 | mjt | this is unclear |
| 09:26.46 | wols | flores: reboot and tell us what's in /etc/resolv.conf also tell us how you actually configure eth0 |
| 09:26.59 | ROKO__ | http://inhatch.com/Download |
| 09:27.04 | ROKO__ | this working for debian ?! |
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| 09:27.39 | flores | wols: I am rebooting, ... eth0 is configured automatically, i will tell you step by step what is going on here, just a sec |
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| 09:29.44 | skilz | How do I uninstall a .deb package? |
| 09:30.21 | wols | skilz: apt-get remove for example |
| 09:30.28 | streuner | skilz: aptitude/apt-get remove <package> |
| 09:30.45 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.46 | skilz | [#debian]: |
| 09:30.49 | flores | wols: this my resolv.conf: domain physik.uni-wuppertal.de, search "the same", nameserver 132.195.249.13, nameserver 132.195.20.3 |
| 09:31.00 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.00 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 09:31.40 | skilz | it was a .deb file I downloaded |
| 09:31.49 | skilz | not with aptitude |
| 09:32.07 | gamer1990 | how did you installed the .deb ? |
| 09:32.09 | wols | skilz: what is the filename? |
| 09:32.09 | flores | wols: I am also pinging a machine o the same network, everything goes fine, |
| 09:32.28 | wols | flores: and the error is what exactly if you ping google.com? |
| 09:32.35 | skilz | sudo dpkg -i xmms-shell_0.2.2-1_i386.deb |
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| 09:33.03 | skilz | I think it has some malware/spyware/virus |
| 09:33.08 | wols | skilz: so remove xmms-shell |
| 09:33.29 | wols | skilz:possible but very far fetched |
| 09:33.33 | skilz | Full command |
| 09:33.44 | wols | the full command is man apt-get my dear |
| 09:33.51 | skilz | well my ram useage jumped to 54% |
| 09:34.00 | skilz | just by the process |
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| 09:34.15 | flores | wols: Now I cannot even ping google.com, I tryied to scp a file to the machine I pinged and I got "stalled" |
| 09:34.23 | skilz | : Unable to locate package xmms-shell |
| 09:34.28 | wols | flores: and the error is what exactly if you ping google.com? |
| 09:34.53 | flores | wols: now it is "ping: unknown host google.com" |
| 09:34.55 | skilz | 19:31 < skilz> it was a .deb file I downloaded |
| 09:35.05 | skilz | 19:31 < skilz> not with aptitude |
| 09:35.19 | wols | flores: nslookup google.com |
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| 09:35.40 | skilz | wols: ^ |
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| 09:36.08 | dhanesh | offline packages |
| 09:36.44 | flores | wols: ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 09:37.12 | wols | flores: ping 209.85.148.106 |
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| 09:39.40 | flores | wols: "PING 209.85.148.106 (same address) 56(54) bytes of data, ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available" |
| 09:39.55 | wols | and you are sure your eth0 is working? |
| 09:39.59 | flores | wols: I get many times this message |
| 09:40.26 | flores | wols: well ifconfig tell eth0 is up |
| 09:41.13 | wols | that's not what I asked. you could ping or connect to your local lan before, right? |
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| 09:41.42 | wols | and you can still, right now? |
| 09:42.13 | flores | wols: when I reboot I can ping my local lan, but if try to ssh i cannot, and connot ping the network anymore |
| 09:42.27 | flores | wols: no, I cannot connect anymore to the local network |
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| 09:42.40 | wols | if you try to ssh inside your LAN you cannot? |
| 09:42.47 | wols | hmm... firewall? |
| 09:42.53 | flores | wols: i cannot |
| 09:43.44 | flores | wols: preventing me to connect ? I do not think so, in the last week I have just used this network normally, |
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| 09:43.57 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.07 | flores | wols: I do not know enough of networking, what exactly do you want to know, I can ask people here |
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| 09:45.38 | wols | well, how is your debian configured to get the network up? |
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| 09:46.05 | wols | you said you disabled wlan or whatever IIRC so you evidently rummaged around your network config. |
| 09:46.11 | sephii | Is there a way to avoid my computer to freeze upon shutdown if an nfs share hasn't been shutdown correctly? |
| 09:46.17 | flores | it is newly installed debian 6, I have installed it last week, it should be the default |
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| 09:47.04 | wols | there is no "default". common choices are network manager, interfaces or wicd |
| 09:47.33 | flores | wols: the problem appeared before that, so I asked the administrator to have a look, he said both eth0 and wlan was up, and disabled wlan to configured automatically |
| 09:47.48 | flores | but the problem is still there |
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| 09:48.33 | Surfboard | Hello |
| 09:49.07 | flores | wols: I tryied to ssh a machine on the network and get "ssh: could not resolv hostname astro18: Name or service unknown" |
| 09:49.26 | gamer1990 | skilz you can remove it with aptitude ord dpkg |
| 09:49.31 | gamer1990 | *or |
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| 09:50.19 | CyberSurfer | hi |
| 09:51.37 | wols | flores: not surprising since your nameservers are not reachable |
| 09:51.51 | CyberSurfer | hi |
| 09:53.37 | flores | wols: I will reboot and try to ping some other machines. |
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| 09:54.05 | anddam | bye |
| 09:54.14 | wols | flores: ping IPs and try to connect to IPs only |
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| 09:57.06 | philipballew | hey when i installed a ppc cli system i installed from my wireless interface and now i want to set up my eth0 interface |
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| 09:59.41 | flores | wols: ping is successfull on many machines on the local network |
| 10:00.02 | flores | wols: and also on google |
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| 10:01.12 | flores | now I will now try to ssh a local machine |
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| 10:03.45 | wols | flores: ping your nameserver IP then |
| 10:03.52 | wols | and if it doesn't work, traceroute it |
| 10:03.53 | flores | it worked, then I tried to scp a file, it got stalled, |
| 10:04.26 | flores | after scp nothing is working ... |
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| 10:05.25 | flores | wols: I will reboot again and try to copy with sftp, if this works, there is something very strange going on |
| 10:05.55 | wols | flores: it very much sounds like some firewall or such on the network |
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| 10:07.27 | flores | wols: i will traceroute to find out on what machines the packges are being sent ... but it is strange the everything get blocked after scp ... |
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| 10:07.30 | philipballew | hey when i installed a ppc cli system i installed from my wireless interface and now i want to set up my eth0 interface |
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| 10:08.58 | wols | flores: what network gear is between you and that ssh server? |
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| 10:09.19 | wols | philipballew: hey you need to learn how to ask questions |
| 10:09.26 | wols | philipballew: state your actual problem |
| 10:09.32 | crilly | How do I search for a package in the wheezy repositories online? I can't find a central, simple location for looking and searching for packages inside the repositories :P |
| 10:09.45 | flores | wols: the traceroute says I have a direct connection to the other machine |
| 10:10.00 | philipballew | sorry wols I need to get my ethernet connection working |
| 10:10.12 | flores | I mean I get 1 astro18.blah.blah etc |
| 10:10.13 | ayanes | it is amazing how slow is getting gnome in Debian |
| 10:10.31 | wols | flores: no you don't. unless you are connected via crossover cable. |
| 10:10.44 | ayanes | anyone else running version 2.30.2 experimenting problems in performance? |
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| 10:11.14 | flores | wols: ... i am connected to the router, but this is the output of traceroute |
| 10:11.20 | wols | philipballew: you told us that several times already. that is nothing we can help with. "Hi, I tried to do X and it blew up in my face and generated result Y. how can I get this to work?" |
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| 10:11.42 | wols | flores: are you really sure you are connected directly to a rotuer? you sound like you are on a uni LAN |
| 10:11.57 | wols | !tell ayanes about anyone |
| 10:12.04 | flores | wols: I am on a uni lan |
| 10:12.05 | wols | crilly: packages.debian.org |
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| 10:12.31 | wols | flores: so what are you using to configure your LAN? |
| 10:12.32 | flores | but the cable is connecting me to a small black box, that I suppose is the router |
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| 10:13.27 | flores | wols: I do know, this is not done automatically? dhcp or similar? |
| 10:13.41 | philipballew | wols I need to configure dhcp on my debian box so my router will see that this laptop exists. do you know a way do do that? |
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| 10:14.16 | flores | wols: I meant, I do NOT know |
| 10:14.29 | wols | flores: what's your ethernet chip btw? |
| 10:14.40 | wols | cause this buffer thing above is puzzling |
| 10:14.41 | phasma | ok, so after a netinstall, squeeze boots quicker than my gentoo box. Nice |
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| 10:16.10 | flores | wols: I do not know where to get this information, this is a new acer lap top I bought last week |
| 10:16.17 | wols | flores: lspci |
| 10:16.24 | wols | lspci -nn rather |
| 10:18.00 | flores | wols: "Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications AR8152 ..." |
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| 10:19.47 | wols | lspci -nn |
| 10:20.02 | ham5 | he wants all the info flores |
| 10:20.12 | jokar | hello all |
| 10:20.15 | jokar | o/ all |
| 10:20.16 | StucKman | I have 8 identical machines running the same software configured in the same way (JFYI: mainly mysql ndbd). but some of them start swapping a lot untill they fill the swap (even when vm.swapiness=0), also I notice higer IOWAIT values |
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| 10:20.28 | jokar | i use okular for speech a doc but sound like a robot |
| 10:20.33 | StucKman | any ideas what can it be? |
| 10:20.44 | jokar | can i change my sound speecher? |
| 10:21.02 | StucKman | jokar: it uses festival, AFAIK. you may change the voice |
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| 10:21.27 | StucKman | but I´m not sure it will fix the ´robotiness´ |
| 10:21.29 | jokar | i change to the festival but it is not good |
| 10:21.32 | flores | wols: I cannot provide all the infos since i have to read on the laptop and type again ... (no internet connection) |
| 10:22.21 | wols | the important part is the PCI ID at the end |
| 10:22.23 | jokar | Sound not clear |
| 10:22.25 | wols | xxxx:xxxx |
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| 10:24.52 | jokar | wols: in Gnome can i change my reader? |
| 10:25.05 | flores | wols: I tryid also with sftp, and it also crashed everything, is it possible that they activate a firewall? ... I get four hits for grep PCI: one of them: PCI bridge [0604]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:43a0] |
| 10:26.04 | wols | flores: I want the PCI ID of your atheros ethernet chip |
| 10:26.20 | wols | jokar: define what a "reader" is |
| 10:26.29 | jokar | speecher |
| 10:26.37 | jokar | my speech sound not clear |
| 10:26.53 | jokar | can i change it to the another man or woman? |
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| 10:28.37 | imagodei | Hi, noob question: I (unwillingly) inherited older Debian server. Thinking about making an image with clonezilla or such, but I'm puzzled by the apparent number of hard disks in /dev folder. Server has MD drives set up (if I understood goolge correctly, this is SW RAID?) but apparently there are many phisical drives and partitions. Looking for an explanation how this relates to MD drives... |
| 10:28.39 | imagodei | ...AND/OR good tutorial on net. TNX |
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| 10:30.08 | flores | wols: I am not sure what number tells me that |
| 10:30.35 | flores | wols: I thinks it is 1969:2062 |
| 10:30.43 | wols | flores: at the end of the AR8151 line you pasted before there is a xxxx:xxxx. I want to know it |
| 10:30.52 | wols | ,pciid 1969:2062 |
| 10:30.54 | judd | [1969:2062] is 'AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with kernel module 'atl1c' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:2062 |
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| 10:31.10 | StucKman | niiice |
| 10:31.10 | wols | that one should work just fine |
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| 10:34.24 | flores | wols: pretty strange it all works fine, but if i use scp, sftp it crasehs the network conecction, I also downloaded a file on the internet, I will try to upload |
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| 10:56.04 | lizoneort | Os3 |
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| 11:16.35 | norc | Hello. I have a debian server with VirtualBox installed. I have only one IP address, and as such I'd like to set up proper NAT for each virtual machine inside VirtualBox, so they can set up their own services inside the VPS |
| 11:16.51 | norc | Is NAT the right way to do this, or should I simply bite the bullet and buy a RIPE block of IP addresses? |
| 11:17.09 | norc | (And set up bridged networking for each virtual machine) |
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| 11:18.06 | flores | hi, how do I see what servers are active? for example I have isntalled a ssh server and what to see if ti is running |
| 11:18.07 | daemonkeeper | You can't use NAT if your machines are public facing. |
| 11:18.20 | wols | if your services in each vbox client use a different port this is doable without an IP block. but not with NAT as daemonkeeper points out |
| 11:18.22 | daemonkeeper | Or at least not if they are using the same listening ports. |
| 11:18.41 | wols | flores: nestat -lanp shows pretty much most of them |
| 11:18.44 | daemonkeeper | you neither want a RIPE block, ask your ISP for additional IPs. |
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| 11:19.40 | flores | wols: I have installed sshd via apt-get, do I have to logout and login to make them active? |
| 11:19.48 | norc | daemonkeeper: well, ovh only sells them in form of "Ripe IP Blocks" ;-) |
| 11:19.48 | wols | flores: no |
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| 11:20.58 | flores | wols: I was looking on the internet, maybe my problem with scp is that a firewall on my machines maybe blocking it |
| 11:21.04 | daemonkeeper | norc: You don't need to be a RIPE member if you buy your IPs from OVH. |
| 11:21.27 | norc | daemonkeeper: I know, perhaps it's just a marketing name from OVH. *shrugs* |
| 11:22.11 | wols | flores: did you actually install a firewall or fail2ban or such? |
| 11:23.11 | flores | wols: but I do have to activate it somehow? I am not getting access via ssh to it, "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
| 11:23.38 | philipballew | is there a guide in the docs about configuring sound and setting it up? didnt see one |
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| 11:23.56 | wols | flores: telnet localhost 22 |
| 11:24.06 | wols | !alsa |
| 11:24.06 | dpkg | The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:24.49 | philipballew | will i require pulse as well wols ? |
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| 11:25.44 | wols | no |
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| 11:26.54 | Innocentus | hii |
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| 11:28.22 | flores | wols: telnet is not there, but ssh localhost works. |
| 11:28.46 | flores | wols: but if I try from other machine on the network it does not. |
| 11:29.13 | flores | An yes, I can ping it |
| 11:29.52 | wols | then try to use telnet, nc, putty, etc to connect |
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| 11:30.41 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:32.01 | flores | wols: nothing ... |
| 11:32.26 | wols | !errors |
| 11:32.27 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
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| 11:33.01 | flores | Trying 132.195.109.123... |
| 11:33.01 | flores | Connected to dhcp-109-123.physik.uni-wuppertal.de. |
| 11:33.01 | flores | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 11:33.01 | flores | Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| 11:33.36 | flores | a |
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| 11:34.15 | flores | wols: http://pastebin.com/Saej5YKK |
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| 11:35.16 | flores | wols: and for ssh the error: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 11:35.39 | wols | my guess is your uni is playing silly buggers and not allowing ssh |
| 11:35.51 | orioni | how to mount a jffs2 on a mtdblock device ? |
| 11:36.11 | flores | wols: I can ssh to any other machine here, I get nothing wrong |
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| 11:37.48 | wols | flores: either you installed stuff on your debian which prevents ssh or your LAN admins don't like you |
| 11:37.49 | flores | other peoples laptops, are also working normally, either debian configuration is strange or I am stupid, how can i get everything working fine if I reboot? and them I use scp,sftp and everything crashes? |
| 11:38.35 | wols | flores: debian has no problems at all using ssh. you installed something non standard to your debian. I'd guess half the people in here use ssh right about now by being here |
| 11:38.38 | flores | wols: but what kind of stuff? It is a brand new installation. |
| 11:38.51 | wols | what exactly did you install? |
| 11:39.25 | flores | wols: just apt-get stuff, Qt4, latex, linX.., |
| 11:39.44 | flores | No firewall, nothing to do with network |
| 11:39.49 | wols | flores: iptables -L |
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| 11:41.00 | themill | flores: "error: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" normally means that tcpwrappers have rejected the connection. Check hosts.deny / hosts.allow (and do you have denyhosts installed?) |
| 11:41.31 | flores | themill: I did not installed it |
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| 11:42.19 | philipballew | !automount |
| 11:42.19 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 11:42.36 | wols | !tell philipballew about msgthebot |
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| 11:43.07 | flores | wols: I have policy accept for everybody |
| 11:43.29 | flores | in the form target prot opt source destination |
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| 11:44.18 | orioni | how to mount a jffs2 on a mtdblock device ? |
| 11:46.07 | k-man | when I installed debian, I chose the option where it puts everything in their own partitions |
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| 11:46.24 | k-man | but now I can't upgrade because / is full - of course theres plently of space on other partitions |
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| 11:49.15 | flores | wols: As I see I am totally alone with this unsolveable problem, my network admin does not know how to solve this, all my work cannot be backeup, and I spent all my day try to fix this stuff, I cannot either use an usb stick because, On the other machine I have no permission ... |
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| 11:50.01 | flores | all my work there cannot be sent to the rest of the world |
| 11:50.54 | wols | flores: whining to me won't get you sympathy |
| 11:51.00 | wols | at least not from me |
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| 11:51.26 | flores | I do not wont to bother you, just forget about it |
| 11:51.32 | themill | dpkg: comfort flores |
| 11:51.32 | dpkg | There, there, flores. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:51.33 | BenNZ | hi , having trouble with debian not halting after shutdown any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 11:51.40 | themill | you can always rely on the bot for sympathy though |
| 11:51.52 | wols | and coffee! and beer! |
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| 11:52.50 | wols | flores: I suggest you use any live CD and try it |
| 11:53.13 | wols | and you haven't followed the suggestion of themill either |
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| 11:54.19 | flores | wols: what ? what should I do with dpkg, ? |
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| 11:54.48 | axx_ | hey all, anybody could help me with some mdadm troubles? I can get mdadm to reassemble my RAID 5 array |
| 11:54.56 | wols | the suggestions themill made to your actual problem |
| 11:55.33 | flores | wols: I see no suggestion from him?? |
| 11:55.35 | themill | flores: checking /etc/hosts.{deny,allow} and also your sshd_config, actually |
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| 11:56.05 | imagodei | Hi again, noob question: I (unwillingly) inherited older Debian server. Thinking about making an image with clonezilla or such, but I'm puzzled by the apparent number of hard disks in /dev folder. Server has MD drives set up (if I understood goolge correctly, this is SW RAID?) but apparently there are many phisical drives and partitions. Looking for an explanation how this relates to MD... |
| 11:56.07 | imagodei | ...drives AND/OR good tutorial on net. TNX |
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| 11:57.00 | flores | themill: wols : the files have only commented lines |
| 11:57.16 | flores | i am going to run ubuntu live and see what happens |
| 11:57.40 | tekess | hi, i'm looking for some help.. i've got a dell hybrid pc using my tv as display, I used to run ubuntu 9 on it and I didn't have to configure anything special, and it worked just fine.. now I've installed debian and, as soon as I boot into the new system, I can't see anything: tv says 'no signal' |
| 11:57.50 | tekess | I can login remotely and everything seems ok, it's just my tv isn't displaying anything |
| 11:57.55 | ppalmes | how to replace file with file.new such that the hardlinks/inode are preserved in file. |
| 11:58.06 | tekess | I've also tried running latest ubuntu live and same thing happens, any ideas? |
| 11:58.17 | ioriveur | A software, Quartus II installer, which uses Qt interface, cant connect internet. It wasnt serious, so I havent reserch on it, but I wonder why. |
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| 11:58.50 | ioriveur | Another software can. |
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| 12:00.28 | rickbol | screen has blanked and become unresponsive on a wheezy\lxde upgrade from squeeze. Cap locks toggles, but just a blank screen. Suggestions? |
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| 12:01.14 | wols | rickbol: ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 12:04.39 | rickbol | wols: worked. top doesn't show anything spinning. Alt+F7 retruns to a blank screen. What should I kill in what order to tshoot? Screensaver, then what? |
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| 12:10.51 | flores | wols: is there anything that prevents me from logging via ssh on a remote machine when the client runs a live distribution? The remote is not accepting the connection "Permission denied" after I give my passwd, |
| 12:10.55 | rickbol | wols++ killing xscreensaver returned screen\kbrd\mouse control in X! |
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| 12:14.01 | Bernhard | How can i setup a new server with /boot not on LVM and the rest on LVM.. i cant seem to find to good guide.. |
| 12:14.08 | flores | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.10 | themill | flores: #ubuntu can probably help you better with their live cd. I certainly have no idea how they'd recommend you do that. |
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| 12:22.24 | flores | themill: I have backed up important stuff in my e-mail... |
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| 12:26.07 | burgdorfer | Hi. I'm trying to install squeeze on a sparc64 box using the netinst image. The installation fails with a "The installer failed to download a file from the mirror." and "Downloading a file failed". Looking at the traffic, it seems everything is fine, the md5 sums and PGP keys are transmitted. I tried several different mirrors but no luck. Are the keys on the mirrors invalid or something? |
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| 12:34.10 | skilz | Any program to send and receive sms with usb sim dongle? |
| 12:34.25 | StucKman | I see a strange behaviour: according to top, kswapd0 is doing disk ops (D displayed as its S column), but vmstat shows no swap I/O. the only thing also strange is high WAIT values, associated but not the same as the kswapd CPU usage. any ideas? I have a similar machine and it does not show this behaviour |
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| 12:40.06 | me-1 | hi...how to install mame and neo geo emulator in Debian..? |
| 12:40.46 | Devastator-work | me-1 is google your friend? |
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| 12:41.37 | StucKman | me-1: apt-cache search mame, apt-cache search neo geo, and apt-get install <whatever you find> |
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| 12:42.02 | burgdorfer | Anyone? The netboot installer fails saying "Downloading a file failed" after downloading the squeeze Release binary plus this key "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/squeeze/Release.gpg". Does the key not match for some reason? I tried several mirrors. |
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| 12:42.20 | me-1 | StuckDK, I think they are not in repos |
| 12:42.22 | skilz | Any console program that supports msn and facebook chat? |
| 12:42.48 | namelessdog | skilz: finch i guess |
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| 12:43.16 | lrojas | bonjour |
| 12:43.18 | lrojas | err hello |
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| 12:43.46 | flores | when I insert a usb stick, where it is mounted? |
| 12:44.03 | lrojas | usually in /mnt/ |
| 12:44.03 | me-1 | lrojas, bonjour |
| 12:44.05 | friese | normally under /media |
| 12:44.09 | namelessdog | flores: take a look in /media |
| 12:44.14 | lrojas | media... right. |
| 12:44.14 | blackshirt | flores: /media usually |
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| 12:44.30 | cahoot | mount would tell |
| 12:45.08 | flores | it is there thanks |
| 12:45.30 | lrojas | i have a debian install bare bones, and i want to install the gui stuff, only i want to have fluxbox instead of gnome |
| 12:45.38 | RA3OR | HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME !!! :D |
| 12:45.46 | namelessdog | i have several computers here how can i manage to install on all of them the same software and configure them. they are all fresh machines. i need something like a customized distribution.. |
| 12:45.49 | blackshirt | lrojas: exactly, you can do it |
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| 12:46.21 | namelessdog | lrojas: aptitude install fluxbox or something |
| 12:46.26 | flores | I am not able to remove files from there ...also when I try with root user |
| 12:46.52 | flores | how should I be able to rm all files? |
| 12:46.54 | burgdorfer | namelessdog: PXE/TFTP with preseeding would be an option. |
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| 12:47.09 | lrojas | just fluxbox? what about the x11 thing, or the gnome libraries to run firefox, et al ? |
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| 12:48.02 | burgdorfer | lrojas: Those are dependencies, debian will automatically install them. |
| 12:48.04 | namelessdog | burgdorfer: but i do not want to depend on a network connection |
| 12:48.09 | lrojas | i guess what i am asking is, what packages do i need to have a lean system ( the computer where i am installing is very low end ) and still be functional |
| 12:48.10 | StucKman | lrojas: if you install ffox (iceweasel) it will install all the deps |
| 12:48.20 | lrojas | cool |
| 12:48.27 | lrojas | ok, let me give it a whirl |
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| 12:48.31 | StucKman | as for X, apt-get install xserver-xorg should be enough |
| 12:48.53 | StucKman | or maybe somethin more specific |
| 12:49.00 | blackshirt | lrojas: or apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
| 12:49.04 | StucKman | like xserver-xorg-video-foo |
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| 12:50.12 | namelessdog | noone knows how to do such an "automatic installation"? |
| 12:50.18 | abrotman | !fai |
| 12:50.18 | dpkg | Fully Automatic Installation (FAI) is an automated tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://fai-project.org/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:50.20 | burgdorfer | namelessdog: Well then, you could still use preseeding with a CD or a USB drive. |
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| 12:50.38 | burgdorfer | FAI is a pita imao. |
| 12:50.49 | namelessdog | burgdorfer: sorry what's preseeding? |
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| 12:51.13 | blackshirt | namelessdog: fai was great tool for cluster |
| 12:51.40 | burgdorfer | namelessdog: It's basically a file that answers all the questions asked during the installation. It also allows you to run scripts pre- and post-install. The debian wiki has good documentation on it. |
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| 12:52.06 | namelessdog | burgdorfer: thank you! i will take a look |
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| 12:54.20 | burgdorfer | The squeeze sparc64 netboot image gives me a kernel panic (NULL pointer): "Kernel panic - not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler!". Is there a debian image that actually works for sparc? |
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| 12:55.45 | themill | burgdorfer: there's a #debian-sparc on oftc that will know more... it's not exactly one of the most popular architectures. |
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| 12:57.56 | burgdorfer | themill: I didn't know that, thanks. I just found this mailing list entry regarding my exact issue, it hasn't been resolved in one and a half years :S http://old.nabble.com/Problem-with-a-SunFire-V120----Kernel-panics-when-trying-to-install-td27468295.html |
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| 13:00.44 | ws2k3 | hello guys i'm looking for a bash script that opens an ssh connection and runs a command on the target machinesomebody a good link? |
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| 13:01.16 | burgdorfer | themill: Just found an official bug report from February. |
| 13:01.28 | abrotman | ws2k3: so ask #bash |
| 13:01.28 | burgdorfer | ws2k3: How about ssh itself? ssh user@host command |
| 13:01.52 | ws2k3 | burgdorfer what about the username/password? |
| 13:02.13 | themill | ws2k3: that's what ssh keys are for. |
| 13:02.14 | burgdorfer | ws2k3: user is the username. For the password, use keys. Or sshpass if you're crazy ;) |
| 13:02.15 | abrotman | ws2k3: google "ssh keys howto" |
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| 13:02.31 | abrotman | ws2k3: did you even try to research this? or just come straight here as usual? |
| 13:02.34 | themill | !ssh without password |
| 13:02.34 | dpkg | (1) on the client: ssh-keygen -t rsa (2) ssh-copy-id server.example.com. Ask me about <keychain> and <ssh-askpass> for ways of storing your ssh key's passphrase between uses. If you are wanting to use ssh to allow root logins for rsync backups (or something similar to that) then you might want to limit what this key can do and from where you can use it, see http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/rootrsync for one approach. |
| 13:02.57 | burgdorfer | abrotman: Good point. |
| 13:03.21 | ws2k3 | rofl as usual? |
| 13:03.48 | Bushmills | ws2k3: no need for bash script |
| 13:03.53 | abrotman | yes, as usual ... |
| 13:04.04 | Bushmills | ehm .. as burgdorfer already said |
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| 13:09.04 | jaman | How can i set a window manager in xdm or realy reset xdm, i tried about anything but xdm keeps returning to itself (gdm did not) |
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| 13:09.34 | kyconway | So I just ## apt-get install gthumb ## on wheezy and it removed ## gnome gnome-desktop-environment ## Any way to stop the removal? Also, is that intended behavior? (I did this from a terminal in fluxbox). |
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| 13:11.02 | abrotman | !.xsession |
| 13:11.02 | dpkg | methinks xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 13:11.22 | abrotman | kyconway: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 13:12.41 | soonerre | somebody familiar with msmtp and mutt or either of the two? |
| 13:12.51 | abrotman | or ask your real question |
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| 13:13.06 | soonerre | abrotman: me? |
| 13:13.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:13.15 | Bushmills | soonerre: usually, the maintainers are rather familiar with the packages they maintain |
| 13:13.34 | Bushmills | therefore, the reply would probably be "yes, somebody is" |
| 13:13.35 | pinkisntwell | i have a curious problem in both kedit and kwrite: whenever i press the "enter" key to insert a newline, it has the same effect as pressing the "home" key, that is, the cursor goes to the start of the line. as a result, i'm unable to insert newlines into my text. anyone know what this is? |
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| 13:14.28 | soonerre | ok, when i send a mail directly with msmtp it all works fine, but when i advice mutt to use msmtp to send a mail, i get "child exited with 127"...donnu where i have a misconf... |
| 13:15.07 | kyconway | abrotman: Thanks very much. |
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| 13:15.26 | abrotman | soonerre: did you try to strace the program or anything like that .. to see where it's crashing? do you only change one line line in your muttrc? |
| 13:16.45 | soonerre | abrotman: well, of course i have set up my .muttrc to use msmtp as MTA and it even reflects all the envelope_from confs in .msmtprc... |
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| 13:28.11 | namelessdog | does someone know raspberry pi? |
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| 13:30.46 | wols | namelessdog: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 13:31.51 | namelessdog | wols: quite agressive.. |
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| 13:32.12 | Eval_Sanchez | help nazi |
| 13:32.12 | burgdorfer | soonerre: Did you specify the complete path to msmtp? |
| 13:32.12 | Eval_Sanchez | haha |
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| 13:33.07 | wols | !tell namelessdog about anyone |
| 13:33.15 | namelessdog | wols: kind of i have. i wondered whether the freedombox project is only about software or also hardware. i mean do they plan to develop the hardware themself or use something like raspberry pi. it's not so much of a debian question :) |
| 13:33.22 | junix659 | hi, is there some reason that when I put an IP address in /etc/networking/interfaces it disables one of the network cards? |
| 13:33.29 | soonerre | burgdorfer: already fixed |
| 13:33.41 | wols | namelessdog: since you just admitted it: you are off topic. please stop |
| 13:33.45 | burgdorfer | soonerre: What was the problem? Ran into this one myself one time. |
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| 13:33.56 | soonerre | burgdorfer: but funny you ask, actually it was (beside other things) a wrong path as i had used a self-compiled version before |
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| 13:34.16 | wols | junix659: there is no reason. interfaces configured with /etc/network/interfaces are not touched by network manager however |
| 13:34.29 | burgdorfer | soonerre: All right, similar thing happened to me. |
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| 13:34.38 | soonerre | burgdorfer: the other problem was a wrong confg parameter in msmtprc (but msmtprc hinted for that, luckily!) |
| 13:34.43 | junix659 | wols: i have seen it happen on 3 different PCs/Servers |
| 13:34.49 | junix659 | wols: this is weird |
| 13:34.52 | junix659 | i'm using the latest |
| 13:35.08 | soonerre | burgdorfer: msmtp didn't work all right with my local glibc... |
| 13:35.13 | wols | junix659: what exactly did you do? and servers are usually configured by /etc/network/interfaces only |
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| 13:35.48 | junix659 | wols: i installed the OS as normal, network-managewr looks like its installed but i usually configure via cli and edit the interfaces file |
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| 13:36.07 | burgdorfer | soonerre: Oh cool. |
| 13:36.08 | soonerre | burgdorfer: but now i have to find a way to tell msmtp to prompt for the password instead of hardcoding it in the config file (i could use the built in "passwordeval <eval>" command in combination with a unix 'prompt' command or something... |
| 13:36.09 | wols | junix659: you run network manager on a server? |
| 13:36.20 | junix659 | wols: i try not too |
| 13:36.24 | junix659 | i can uninstall it |
| 13:36.30 | junix659 | in fact i just did uninstall it |
| 13:36.32 | soonerre | burgdorfer: any ideas? or maybe i can tell msmtp directly to prompt for the password? |
| 13:36.39 | wols | junix659: why installed it in the first place? I don't get it |
| 13:37.31 | junix659 | wols: it came installed with the gui.... |
| 13:37.43 | wols | junix659: that's the point. what GUI on a server? |
| 13:38.05 | junix659 | wols: i know, but i work with a lot of ppl who don't know the cli as well as i do |
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| 13:39.21 | junix659 | wols: can you help regardless? should i reinstall without the gui?? |
| 13:39.24 | burgdorfer | soonerre: No, mutt calls msmtp non-interactively. I don't think there's a way for you to enter the password interactively. Unless you build something hacky. |
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| 13:41.47 | burgdorfer | Dang, I just tried to install Debian using the squeeze sparc netboot image on a V120 and a T1 but both lenny and squeeze die on me with a kernel panic. Seriously. Does anyone have an idea on how to netboot Debian on those things? |
| 13:42.39 | jelly | soonerre: you might also use mutt's smtp support and avoid msmtp completely |
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| 13:43.27 | soonerre | burgdorfer: yeah, a mutt guy gust told me that mutt does not 'have a terminal for sendmail'/msmtp - but strange enough i use getmail fo fetch mails from the remote server in combination with mutt - and mutt 'interrupts'/drops me to a shell to enter the password for getmail interactively and then swtiches back to the usual gui - so i can hardly imagine that this will not work for msmtp... |
| 13:43.43 | soonerre | jelly: already tried, did not work! |
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| 13:44.15 | burgdorfer | soonerre: Oh, I did not know that. Sounds like it should be possible after all then. |
| 13:44.22 | jelly | soonerre: how did it fail? Did you set smtp_url="smtp://login:password@smarthost:587/" or something else? |
| 13:44.23 | soonerre | jelly: additionally using msmtp offers me the option to use multiple accounts/domains in combination with mutt macros |
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| 13:44.48 | nettezzaumana | hello |
| 13:44.50 | jelly | soonerre: (you can set mutt variables with mutt macros as well) |
| 13:44.54 | soonerre | jelly: i used the right port, the right account name, right port etc.... |
| 13:45.15 | jelly | soonerre: and how did it fail? |
| 13:45.18 | nettezzaumana | is possible to have in virt. machine as a soundcard something streaming sound over network ? |
| 13:45.47 | soonerre | jelly: wait a moment, please |
| 13:45.48 | nettezzaumana | in RT |
| 13:45.51 | nettezzaumana | of cours |
| 13:45.53 | nettezzaumana | **e |
| 13:46.04 | jelly | soonerre: if you use -d 4 command line options mutt's going to log the whole SMTP conversation in ~/.muttdebug0 I think |
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| 13:46.37 | jelly | soonerre: _don't_ pastebin that file before hiding your password ;-) |
| 13:46.45 | soonerre | jelly: "SASL authentication failed" |
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| 13:47.38 | jelly | soonerre: might need to force a certain sasl auth method, read about smtp_authenticators in muttrc(5) |
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| 13:48.52 | jelly | dunno, I'm using smtp_url to send over my Exchange server and it Works For Me⢠|
| 13:50.30 | soonerre | jelly: smarthost is no option for me |
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| 13:52.01 | scorphus | today I feel like using Fedora every day from now on! http://www.viasulrio.com.br/images/DSC04151a.jpg =D |
| 13:52.14 | scorphus | good morning everyone |
| 13:52.15 | apocalyptiq | I've installed git in home folder, on debian, but when i'm trying to for example push something from my local machine there (with username of that home folder), it only searches for git in /usr/bin, not in home, any ideas why? |
| 13:52.26 | apocalyptiq | i have /home/myaccount/bin/git |
| 13:52.41 | apocalyptiq | and when i log into i via ssh, git works fine |
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| 13:53.08 | apocalyptiq | but when i'm doing git push into that debian machine, it fails, becouse it seeks for git in /usr/bin |
| 13:53.16 | apocalyptiq | the same with other programs |
| 13:53.58 | burgdorfer | scorphus: haha, hi. |
| 13:54.33 | scorphus | burgdorfer: :-D |
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| 13:54.58 | burgdorfer | apocalyptiq: Make sure ~/bin is in your $PATH. |
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| 13:58.42 | soonerre | is there a unix command which will just prompt for a string and then return that string so that i can use it like following: promptforwomthing | less ? |
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| 14:00.19 | apocalyptiq | burgdorfer, it's set in .bashrc, but when i access for example git via my local machine, it is not |
| 14:00.23 | themill | soonerre: read? |
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| 14:01.55 | Dutchy | Does anyone here hav experience with pure-ftpd-mysql? I'm having trouble finding out why auth isn't working |
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| 14:02.04 | burgdorfer | apocalyptiq: If you set the $PATH correctly in the .bashrc of the user that is connecting to your git server it should work fine. |
| 14:02.16 | soonerre | themill: hmm, but i'm not sure how i actully would pipe the input line to another program...i.e. 'read | echo' does not work |
| 14:02.29 | apocalyptiq | burgdorfer, ssh user@myserver 'echo $PATH' do not include my home bin |
| 14:02.33 | colo-work | echo doesn't read from stdin |
| 14:02.47 | apocalyptiq | but when i log into ssh, and then run echo $PATH, there is my home bin |
| 14:02.50 | themill | !wayttd soonerre |
| 14:02.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, soonerre? |
| 14:02.58 | apocalyptiq | so, it works only in interactive mode |
| 14:03.06 | themill | soonerre: some more details to help us work out what you're doing would be useful |
| 14:03.13 | apocalyptiq | how to enable it also in not interactive mode? |
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| 14:04.13 | burgdorfer | apocalyptiq: Did you put it at the top of .bashrc? Before it checks for an interactive session? |
| 14:04.16 | ParkerR | Gaah I want to upgrade to libimobiledevice 1.0.6 from 1.0.2 but libc6-dev is the package that holds me back |
| 14:04.18 | soonerre | themill: i'm trying to prompt for a password interactively and then pass it over to the MTA for sending a mail - so just storying it to a variable should work, right? |
| 14:04.37 | soonerre | *passign it over to the MTA _AS A PARAMETER_* |
| 14:04.48 | burgdorfer | soonerre: read foo; echo $foo ? |
| 14:04.55 | apocalyptiq | burgdorfer, yes, it is "export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH" |
| 14:05.12 | themill | soonerre: isn't this a solved problem? doesn't your MUA do that for you? |
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| 14:05.18 | wols | ParkerR: it's doubtful it does. if anything, it's libc6 that does |
| 14:05.25 | ParkerR | Ahh |
| 14:05.35 | ParkerR | libc6-dev is the package that shows up as broken |
| 14:05.40 | wols | !wayttd ParkerR |
| 14:05.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ParkerR? |
| 14:05.53 | soonerre | themill: actually mutt can't read in the password for sendmail/msmtp/... as it does not offer a terminal for that |
| 14:06.00 | soonerre | which seems to be a shame! |
| 14:06.34 | ParkerR | Upgrade libimobiledevice. the 1.0.2 that debian comes with is *old* in package terms. There is already a 1.0.6 and 1.1.1 |
| 14:06.57 | wols | ,versions libimobiledevice |
| 14:06.58 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libimobiledevice' was found in i386. |
| 14:07.11 | ParkerR | Oh add a 1 |
| 14:07.31 | ParkerR | ,versions libimobiledeive1 |
| 14:07.33 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libimobiledeive1' was found in i386. |
| 14:07.37 | ParkerR | Hmm |
| 14:07.43 | themill | ParkerR: 1.0.6 is in sid; 1.1.1 is in experimental |
| 14:07.45 | wols | ParkerR: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~) |
| 14:07.54 | ParkerR | Yeah |
| 14:07.55 | wols | that's the one from sid btw |
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| 14:08.13 | ParkerR | And libc6-dev breaks because libc6 wants to updae |
| 14:08.18 | petemc | soonerre: you can configure smtp username and password etc in ~/.muttrc |
| 14:08.21 | wols | !tell ParkerR about bat |
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| 14:09.29 | burgdorfer | apocalyptiq: Put it in ~/.profile. |
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| 14:09.40 | ParkerR | wols, I havent actually tied to update yet. Synaptic says it is a broken package so I didn't go furthur |
| 14:09.43 | ParkerR | *tried |
| 14:10.14 | themill | ParkerR: you shouldn't be trying to install the package directly, you can try recompiling the sid package for squeeze, however. See what dpkg just told you. |
| 14:10.37 | ParkerR | Yeah I saw |
| 14:10.38 | apocalyptiq | burgdorfer, the same :/ |
| 14:10.50 | soonerre | petemc: yeah, but when i do this i always get a "SASL authentication failure" and playing around with sasl_authenticators did not help either (which should not be necessary at all as mutt tries all auth methods on its own by default...) |
| 14:10.58 | wols | ParkerR: then follow its suggestion. dpkg is very wise |
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| 14:13.33 | burgdorfer | apocalyptiq: Hmm. Looks fine then, make sure you don't have any typos in there. And $HOME/bin should come before $PATH in your export statement. Sorry I couldn't be of any help. |
| 14:14.03 | petemc | soonerre: what version of debian are you using? |
| 14:14.05 | image_q | hi, I am trying to install a program in limux 10.4 and have dependency issues with libpq5 and libpq-dev. I tried looking around but it seems like verion 9.0.1 was the last version they released this lib in. I tried compiling the newest version through rpm, but that proved useless as well. any help? http://pastebin.com/9tgHEuiy |
| 14:14.13 | image_q | Im on unbuntu 10.4 |
| 14:14.23 | wols | image_q: #ubuntu |
| 14:14.37 | soonerre | petemc: where's the file again to look this up? (btw, my box is messed up) |
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| 14:15.25 | soonerre | petemc: btw, it seems to be a mutt problem as i can send mails seamlessy just using msmtp... |
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| 14:16.03 | soonerre | petemc: and: the main problem is that mutt does not offer a terminal in combination with it's 'sendmail' option... |
| 14:16.34 | petemc | soonerre: you can look in /etc/apt/sources.list or tell us the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 |
| 14:16.57 | petemc | soonerre: mutt can prompt for a password |
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| 14:17.18 | Kobaz | is there an apt-get option or dpkg option to skip post-inst scripts |
| 14:17.29 | jelly | Kobaz: you don't want to do that |
| 14:17.40 | Kobaz | yes i do.. i'll fix it later |
| 14:17.57 | wols | jelly: but he clearly asked for that, so I guess he does. it might not be a good idea, but he does want to |
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| 14:18.02 | Kobaz | i'm in some crazy depencency hell |
| 14:18.04 | soonerre | petemc: it can prompt for a possword in combination with macros (i.e. when using getmail/fetchmail) and it can prompt for a possword in combination with its own smtp support but it can't prompt for a password in combination with it's 'sendmail' option as it is lacking a terminal for that |
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| 14:19.28 | petemc | soonerre: its not a common thing to want to use a password with /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 14:19.41 | jelly | Kobaz: if postinst failed at configuration time, you can edit it directly at /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst |
| 14:19.43 | petemc | at least ive never heard of it |
| 14:20.02 | jelly | Kobaz: and do a dpkg --configure packagename after that |
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| 14:20.18 | soonerre | petemc: well, msmtp, for example, _DOES_ offer a 'passwordeval' option for that, so it is at least possible, maybe not common, right |
| 14:20.29 | Kobaz | jelly: ah okay, that's what i usually do when postrm scripts fail |
| 14:20.42 | Kobaz | okay so postinst should be the new package being installed |
| 14:22.09 | Kobaz | Unpacking replacement libc6 ... Setting up libc6 (2.13-10) ... more stuff.... infinite loop |
| 14:22.10 | themill | Kobaz: postinsts shouldn't be failing and if they are, then there's something else that needs fixing. What are you trying to do here? |
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| 14:22.31 | jelly | Kobaz: you should be doubly careful with libc6 |
| 14:22.34 | Kobaz | trying to fix my garbled mess |
| 14:22.40 | Kobaz | yeah, this isn't a running system |
| 14:22.41 | jelly | Kobaz: pastebin the actual output please |
| 14:22.46 | Kobaz | so i can break it muchly |
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| 14:22.59 | themill | Kobaz: unfiltered specifics are useful. "fix this mess" is not. |
| 14:23.01 | farfarhad | hi everyone. i configured my utorrent server to use an HTTP Proxy for p2p connections. how can i check if it really hides my IP? |
| 14:23.14 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.com/M4sYePss |
| 14:23.31 | soonerre | petemc: tsl_socket_read - a tls packet with unexpected length was received - maybe that helps clearifying the problem? |
| 14:23.36 | Kobaz | themill: i know.. i'm just trying to force this stuff in and investigate the aftermath |
| 14:23.47 | themill | that's not the entire output |
| 14:23.57 | Kobaz | i really don't want to debug the perl code from debconf |
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| 14:24.11 | jelly | Kobaz: that might not be and an infinite loop, just a rathe long one (running over all the /etc/init.d/ scripts it seems) |
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| 14:24.27 | jelly | Kobaz: leave it run for at least a couple minutes |
| 14:24.48 | Kobaz | themill: if you want an infinitively repeating log of "Use of uninitialized value $text in concatenation ....." be my guest |
| 14:25.11 | themill | I'm yet to be convinced that it's infinitely repeating.... |
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| 14:25.36 | wols | farfarhad: you cannot use a http proxy for hiding torrent traffic |
| 14:25.38 | Kobaz | i know what an infinite loop tends to look like |
| 14:25.43 | Kobaz | and this is one |
| 14:25.44 | jelly | Kobaz and the Infinite Debconf Sadness |
| 14:26.02 | Kobaz | how long should i let this fill up my hard drive? |
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| 14:26.19 | jelly | 5 minutes! |
| 14:26.22 | Kobaz | dpkg -i libc6_2.13-10_i386.deb &> /tmp/log |
| 14:26.22 | dpkg | removes a lung from kobaz and replaces it with libc6_2.13-10_i386.deb &> /tmp/log |
| 14:26.57 | jelly | and just do dpkg --configure libc6 instead of installing it again |
| 14:27.04 | Kobaz | it's > 100MB now |
| 14:27.21 | Kobaz | 150 |
| 14:27.37 | Kobaz | should I wait till it's a full gig? |
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| 14:28.12 | Kobaz | 300MB |
| 14:28.25 | Kobaz | I'm pretty sure it's not going to finish :P |
| 14:28.31 | jelly | you don't _have_ to log it ya know |
| 14:28.38 | Kobaz | you wanted the pastebin |
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| 14:29.09 | jelly | oh right |
| 14:29.34 | jelly | good thing it's going to be compressible a lot ;-) |
| 14:29.37 | Kobaz | does pastebin accept gigabyte pasts? |
| 14:29.40 | Kobaz | pastes |
| 14:30.08 | skilz | 1GB of text? |
| 14:30.09 | jelly | there's usually a limit at a couple thousand lines |
| 14:30.21 | Kobaz | yeah, text |
| 14:30.28 | Kobaz | oh, i can't make it to a gig |
| 14:30.33 | skilz | Kobaz: I doubt it |
| 14:30.36 | Kobaz | i filled up the space on this image |
| 14:30.44 | ParkerR | Nooo soo close http://pastebin.com/PxeK92QM |
| 14:31.32 | wols | Kobaz: use a "cyberlocker"!. they need more non-infringing traffic badly! |
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| 14:31.53 | Kobaz | okay |
| 14:31.59 | Kobaz | exit 0 on top of preinst and postinst |
| 14:32.01 | karlpinc | wols: Got an url? |
| 14:32.11 | Kobaz | Setting up libc6 (2.13-10) ... done and done |
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| 14:32.16 | wols | karlpinc: for? |
| 14:32.22 | jelly | Kobaz: no need to mess with preinst. Just postinst, and just do a --configure |
| 14:32.22 | karlpinc | wols: cyberlocker |
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| 14:32.50 | wols | karlpinc: http://netforbeginners.about.com/od/internet101/f/What-Is-A-Cyberlocker.htm |
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| 14:33.06 | ParkerR | Basically any fike hosting service |
| 14:33.07 | ParkerR | *file |
| 14:33.16 | wols | karlpinc: if you didn't get it, RIAA, MPAA, Copyright Czar and all these people talk about "Cyberlockers" |
| 14:34.27 | Kobaz | heh, non-infringing traffic |
| 14:34.47 | jelly | !spank wols |
| 14:34.47 | dpkg | bends wols over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 14:34.52 | wols | ouch! |
| 14:34.53 | ParkerR | I know a guy that his ISP block Dropbox because it is used for illegal reasons |
| 14:35.03 | ParkerR | *blocks |
| 14:35.14 | bony | what is the input audio device that has to be specified to vlc. with oss it used to be /dev/dsp now I am unable to figure out what would be the audio dev. I am running debian sid linux version 3.0.0.1 |
| 14:35.25 | ParkerR | Not him just an outright block on everybody that has the ISP service |
| 14:35.26 | karlpinc | wols: I see. I didn't get the memo. But dropbox is out, having heard here that they take the copyright off code they use etc. (See the <dropbox> factoid.) So, what to use? |
| 14:35.47 | ParkerR | What wrong with dropbox? |
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| 14:35.53 | karlpinc | !dropbox |
| 14:35.53 | dpkg | Dropbox is a web-based file hosting service, using cloud computing to store/share files. The closed source dropbox.com client is a mess of copyright violations and cannot be distributed by Debian (see Debian bug #610257). The open source <Nautilus> plugin is packaged for Debian as nautilus-dropbox in <testing> (i386 and amd64 only), ask me about <non-free sources> <simple sid backport>. |
| 14:35.57 | ParkerR | <3's dropbox |
| 14:36.17 | ParkerR | Hmm |
| 14:36.18 | karlpinc | ParkerR: Among other things they've stolen other people's code for their client. |
| 14:36.28 | karlpinc | ParkerR: Or so I hear. I've not looked. |
| 14:36.40 | wols | !wuala |
| 14:36.42 | Kobaz | so there's definitely some nasty problem in the libc postinst |
| 14:36.51 | ParkerR | !heresay |
| 14:36.59 | burgdorfer | ParkerR: Also, they have massive security flaws in their system. Don't put anything importrant in there. |
| 14:37.06 | wols | karlpinc: people seem to use wualla, but I dunno about any GPLness of theirs |
| 14:37.10 | Kobaz | i did see some very similar bugs |
| 14:37.13 | karlpinc | ParkerR: But I do trust the people who've said so. They know their stuff. |
| 14:37.13 | ParkerR | burgdorfer, that was just that one sunday |
| 14:37.28 | ParkerR | For like 4 hours |
| 14:38.04 | bony | in a nutshell what is the replacement for /dev/dsp |
| 14:38.06 | Kobaz | i closed the bug, mm, which one was it |
| 14:38.10 | rozie | burgdorfer: don't put anything important anywhere, unless you use hard crypto on your side |
| 14:38.20 | jelly | bony: making the app use alsa |
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| 14:39.06 | burgdorfer | rozie: I agree. |
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| 14:39.27 | karlpinc | wols: spelling: wuala |
| 14:39.33 | jelly | bony: if you're looking for actual device nodes, /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 14:39.52 | soonerre | help!! mutt breaks with a "SASL authentication failure" - WHY? |
| 14:39.54 | burgdorfer | ParkerR: Not the passwordless login, even though that was hilarious too, they have access to your unencrypted data and even use the same key for all users to avoid duplication to save money for storage. |
| 14:39.55 | wols | karlpinc: you're right. shows you how much I know about it |
| 14:40.03 | burgdorfer | ParkerR: Anyway, it's your data ;) |
| 14:40.09 | bony | jelly, well i have these files in /dev/snd by-path controlC0 hwC0D0 hwC0D1 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p seq timer |
| 14:40.10 | ParkerR | :) |
| 14:40.24 | jelly | bony: what is your actual goal |
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| 14:40.38 | soonerre | seems to be a wrong sasl package - what are good/recommendable debian sasl packages? |
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| 14:41.44 | bony | jelly, i am trying to stream audio and video using vlc. for video i have /dev/video0 and for audio i am unable to figure out the device file |
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| 14:42.42 | ws2k3 | i wanne let user www-data login on an externel machine with ssh i use this guide :http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html when i make the keys on the source machine do i need to be loggedin as www-data to? |
| 14:43.09 | ws2k3 | i wanne let user www-data login on an externel machine with ssh i use this guide :http://linuxproblem.org/art_9.html when i make the keys on the source machine do i need to be loggedin as www-data to? |
| 14:43.17 | Kobaz | does anyone else have terminal problems with using locales other than 'C'? If I use any of the en_US locales i wind up with the wrong line drawing characters for my terminal, and i get random odd characters displayed, especially from gcc |
| 14:43.20 | ws2k3 | sorry dubblepost |
| 14:43.49 | jelly | Kobaz: the terminal emulator needs explicit UTF-8 support if you're using an UTF-8 locale |
| 14:44.13 | Kobaz | yeah, i have the same issue even with it's not utf |
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| 14:44.33 | jelly | it's a slightly different issue then, with similar results |
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| 14:45.16 | zitter | hi I have problems with my Debian, it crashed suddenly :( I'm trying to test RAM with memtester. Is it good? How much Mb I have to pass to test it correctly? |
| 14:45.26 | jelly | Kobaz: do they work in an env LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 uxterm ? |
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| 14:46.32 | Kobaz | mm, i probably don't have uxterm, i'll see |
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| 14:47.52 | jelly | you probably do it's you're running Debian and have xterm package installed |
| 14:48.04 | Kobaz | yeah i have it actually, heh |
| 14:49.07 | jelly | dialog --yesno 'Maybe' 5 20 |
| 14:49.09 | jkyle | for some reason that I cannot figure out I keep getting multiple instances of the rsyslog daemon running |
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| 14:49.39 | jkyle | it gradually builds till it exhausts process limits or I kill them. |
| 14:49.54 | jelly | zitter: use memtest86+ instead and leave it running overnight |
| 14:50.37 | jelly | or 24 hours, better |
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| 14:52.37 | zitter | jelly, i've installed but i don't how to start it :( man memtest86+ doesn't exist |
| 14:52.46 | Kobaz | ux seems to work |
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| 14:53.09 | rozie | zitter: what package did you exactly install? |
| 14:53.29 | soonerre | does anybody know how one can force mutt to prompt for a password interactively using its 'sendmail' option? see also http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg12786.html |
| 14:53.57 | jelly | zitter: you reboot into it -- it's in the grub menu\ |
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| 14:54.24 | jelly | soonerre: the #mutt channel maybe |
| 14:54.24 | rozie | and memtest86+ should ask if it should make grub entry |
| 14:54.28 | jkyle | I thought it might be the logrotate causing it, but manually running that script doesn't reproduce the problem. what else might be starting/stopping rsyslog? |
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| 14:54.59 | soonerre | (jelly: among us: the #mutt channel is crap when it comes to support) |
| 14:55.09 | lolcat | How big is the debian repos? How do I go about making my own mirror? |
| 14:55.13 | jelly | soonerre: it worked for me! |
| 14:55.17 | soonerre | jelly: i got a lot more help here in shiny ##debian |
| 14:55.21 | soonerre | jelly: ? |
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| 14:55.27 | jelly | the mutt channel |
| 14:55.35 | zitter | I have installed using apt-get install memtest86+ for grub stuff, my debian is a remote box so I cannot use it |
| 14:55.42 | soonerre | #debian they don't answer frequently... |
| 14:55.55 | rozie | jkyle: ps axu | grep syslog - run it once a minute from cron and log output to a file |
| 14:56.01 | soonerre | jelly: anyway, at the moment i'm trying to accomplish an impossible thing anyway |
| 14:56.02 | jelly | zitter: yeah, it needs either console or serial port access |
| 14:56.10 | zitter | ok |
| 14:56.11 | rozie | you will see when processes start |
| 14:56.41 | jkyle | rozie: yeah, that's an idea. then try the system logs to see what ran at that time |
| 14:56.44 | zitter | but when it runs -for a day, for example, it block server's activities? |
| 14:57.16 | jelly | soonerre: I'd sniff the smtp traffic from msmtp, figure out which auth protocol it used, then force that with mutt |
| 14:57.18 | rozie | jkyle: exactly |
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| 14:57.30 | jkyle | though the ps aux | grep syslog does show process start time |
| 14:57.46 | jkyle | or maybe -f |
| 14:57.47 | jelly | soonerre: or try each one manually with something like swaks |
| 14:57.48 | soonerre | jelly: but basically it does not sound too stupid: i'm searching for a way to define a mutt macro which will pass the email with attachements etc. over to msmtp and then send it manually using msmtp instead of using mutt's 'sendmail' option or mutt's own smtp support, but i just can't figure out how to pass over the mail with attachments etc. over to smtp in the macro |
| 14:57.49 | themill | ,info memtester |
| 14:57.51 | judd | Package memtester (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: A utility for testing the memory subsystem. Version: 4.1.3-1; Size: 16.0k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://pyropus.ca/software/memtester/ |
| 14:58.02 | themill | zitter: ^^ as an alternative that doesn't require console access |
| 14:58.05 | soonerre | jelly: plain is what it uses! ;) |
| 14:58.22 | soonerre | jelly: but forcing that with mutt produces a SASL auth failure |
| 14:58.25 | jkyle | rozie: something fancier might be a little python script that counts the instances and sends me an email when more than two pop up |
| 14:58.26 | jelly | soonerre: plain? so figure out how mutt fails |
| 14:58.43 | zitter | themill, thanks I'm trying memtester. how much Mb I have to pass as argument? |
| 14:59.02 | jelly | zitter: as much as you can |
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| 14:59.24 | petemc | soonerre: what version of mutt are you using? |
| 14:59.33 | jelly | zitter: and hope it stumbles onto the bad part |
| 15:00.35 | soonerre | petemc: Mutt verion 1.5.21 |
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| 15:01.04 | zitter | anyway, now I have 1963Mb as total, used 1849 and 113 free, shared: 0 buffers: 23 cached: 1306 is it normal? |
| 15:01.30 | jelly | yes |
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| 15:02.49 | zitter | so memtester 1000 10 would be ok? |
| 15:03.02 | petemc | soonerre: you could try building mutt with openssl rather than gnutls |
| 15:03.23 | petemc | soonerre: that may allow you to use authenticated smtp properly |
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| 15:04.56 | soonerre | petemc: i already tried building mutt myself, but it's not completely compatible with my libc, so i gave in after some stacktraces ;) |
| 15:05.08 | soonerre | that will mean a lot more work + time, btw |
| 15:05.22 | rozie | zitter: if it is server it is probable that it has ECC RAM |
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| 15:05.38 | rozie | zitter: check logs for ECC errors. they are reported IIRC |
| 15:05.42 | rozie | bbl |
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| 15:06.10 | petemc | soonerre: from the message you posted earlier it appears you have been struggling with this for 4 years - it should take 10 mins to build mutt with openssl |
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| 15:06.32 | soonerre | petemc: 4 years? |
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| 15:07.03 | petemc | soonerre: the date on the email you posted was 2007 |
| 15:07.06 | soonerre | petemc: ./configure, make, make install is not to compilcated, but finding out why mutt's free() function fails is a LOT more compilcated! |
| 15:07.18 | soonerre | petemc: i posted a email? |
| 15:07.23 | petemc | soonerre: rebuild the debian package is what im suggesting |
| 15:07.58 | soonerre | btw, all other programs using SASL auth work pretty well on my machine, so it's somewhere in mutt's code, i guess! |
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| 15:08.25 | petemc | soonerre: you posted a link to mutt mailing list - i assumed it was from you, possibly i was mistaken |
| 15:08.26 | zitter | cat /var/log/messages | grep error returns a lot of "error_code+0x72/0x78" |
| 15:08.37 | soonerre | petemc: this mail? http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg12786.html - that's not my mail, that's from someone who had the same problem |
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| 15:09.33 | soonerre | petemc: it all could easiely be solved if mutt would offer a terminal in combination with it's 'sendmail' option - like it offers a terminal in combination with it's option to define macros! |
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| 15:11.26 | petemc | soonerre: submitting via sendmail is not usually interactive |
| 15:12.05 | themill | is still trying to understand the use case of authing to sendmail |
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| 15:13.07 | soonerre | petemc: right, usually it is not, but as msmtp is actually providing a 'passwordeval' function exactly for this pupose, i'm not the only one thinking about such possiblities |
| 15:13.08 | jelly | it's not real sendmail, and msmtp is not packaged like a proper /usr/sbin/sendmail replacement like ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 15:13.47 | soonerre | themill: not authing to sendmail, but authing to the actual server and just passing the password over from mutt to sendmail to then auth at the server |
| 15:14.18 | themill | why not auth directly to the remote smtp server? |
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| 15:14.35 | themill | jelly: ack, use case is still difficult to see |
| 15:14.46 | jelly | shush |
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| 15:15.31 | soonerre | themill: 'cause it is more convenient to not first have to close tht MUA and then fetch the mail somewhere from the file system and then invoke sendmail manually with this email... |
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| 15:15.57 | jelly | I haven't seen mutt's failing smtp session and msmtp's succeeding one and the differences so I can't comment any more |
| 15:16.14 | jelly | successful* |
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| 15:21.29 | soonerre | if my message is ready to send out, i usually press 'y' and the mutt does its magic - is it possible to define a variable in a mutt macro to fetch this mail (together with attachements)? |
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| 15:22.44 | jelly | fetch it where? |
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| 15:23.22 | themill | soonerre: you seem to be making this problem more and more complicated by the minute. How about going back to the first problem that you faced and try solving that -- all you want to happen is for an email to go from mutt to a remote SMTP server. It should do that itself and the 18 layers of cruft you're trying to stick in between those two isn't getting you anywhere. |
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| 15:23.36 | jelly | soonerre: from my PoV it would be simpler to debug and fix whatever's wrong with mutt's smtp support |
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| 15:25.57 | soonerre | jelly: well, after compiling it myseld unsuccessfully, it is not - plus: maybe i would like to switch over to gnus again in the future and (or other persons on the system) - and so a solid sendmail/msmtp setup isn't too bad to have! |
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| 15:26.09 | soonerre | (sorry for adding this new requirement) |
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| 15:27.17 | themill | each user can (should?) auth separately to an smtp that requires authn |
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| 15:27.35 | soonerre | themill: it all works well if i put a password in .msmtprc - so the problem is already solved, the new problem is: how do i prompt for the password interactively instead of having it lay around on the system? |
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| 15:27.41 | jelly | maybe I would spend my time on some other issue rather than running in circles |
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| 15:27.42 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:28.06 | themill | soonerre: chmod works. problem solved. |
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| 15:28.16 | soonerre | jelly: well, the waterfall model is all about circles, isn't it - and we are not RADing here |
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| 15:28.37 | soonerre | themill: hardcoding + plaintext is always bad |
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| 15:29.31 | DexterF | where should I put a script that is supposed to be executed each time a specific used logs into a desktop environment like xfce? |
| 15:29.33 | valdyn_ | im trying to get this: hand mail off to msmtp from mutt, have msmtp ask mutt to ask you for the password |
| 15:29.50 | valdyn_ | geez |
| 15:29.51 | themill | soonerre: you're hoping that people are going to spend a lot of time helping you solve a problem that doesn't exist in a very esoteric setup, where there are much simpler and easier ways of getting to the end point. Don't be surprised if people aren't that interested... |
| 15:29.59 | soonerre | maybe i should just bash together a script that will write to .msmtprc and add the password there before starting mutt, then run mutt and then run again and delete it from .msmtprc after mutt has exited |
| 15:30.16 | themill | or just use mutt |
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| 15:31.03 | soonerre | themill: don't become general, please - and: i really appreciate all your help it really got me far (i wouldn't have been able to manage it on my own so far) |
| 15:31.10 | lapfrog | yo guys i'm having really slow dns on this near fresh install of squeeze |
| 15:31.11 | Kobaz | can you adjust ulimits on an already running process? |
| 15:31.15 | soonerre | so let us face the new problem |
| 15:31.31 | jelly | Kobaz: only from within the process |
| 15:31.34 | jelly | afaik |
| 15:31.44 | valdyn_ | !disable ipv6 |
| 15:31.44 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 15:31.53 | soonerre | themill: not possible due to it's obscure SASL auth failure - which does not happen with other applications |
| 15:31.58 | valdyn_ | lapfrog: try ^^ if its not the dns server that is slow |
| 15:32.08 | Kobaz | mm |
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| 15:32.49 | lapfrog | i'll try and reboot thx |
| 15:32.52 | lapfrog | brb |
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| 15:33.30 | jelly | soonerre: you seem to avoid even trying to debug it |
| 15:34.12 | soonerre | jelly: it's pretty hard doing that |
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| 15:34.43 | jelly | soonerre: what, running mutt -d4 and sending a mail? |
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| 15:35.16 | jelly | and inspecting ~/.muttdebug0 afterwards? |
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| 15:37.09 | soonerre | jelly: well, maybe 'gnutls_handshake: A TLS packet with unexptected length was received.' helps? i can't reall interprete it |
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| 15:39.26 | lapfrog | back. dns still slow. on windows it works fine. this happens both on laptop AND on workstation (both are dual boot). im behind a router. any more ideas? |
| 15:39.31 | jelly | oh goodness, does Debian still build mutt with gnutls |
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| 15:40.00 | soonerre | jelly: obviously! |
| 15:40.18 | jelly | soonerre: didn't you say you rebuilt it |
| 15:40.23 | petemc | no, too hard |
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| 15:40.57 | jelly | so it's not a SASL issue but an SSL library one |
| 15:40.58 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: Disable ipv6 |
| 15:41.21 | lapfrog | i just did that, see scrollback |
| 15:42.03 | soonerre | jelly: earlier i used my own build of mutt, but that didn't work well (free() had some issues) - so now i'm using the mutt from the reops |
| 15:42.35 | jelly | soonerre: dpkg -l mutt |tail -1 ? |
| 15:43.15 | lapfrog | brb again |
| 15:43.28 | soonerre | jelly: ii mutt 1.5.21-5 text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading |
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| 15:44.14 | jelly | soonerre: is your smtp server public? |
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| 15:44.50 | soonerre | jelly: ;) |
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| 15:46.09 | jargon- | my wheezy box keeps changing to a different mac address. anybody else? |
| 15:46.22 | soonerre | jelly: how to find out= |
| 15:46.23 | soonerre | ? |
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| 15:47.48 | jelly | soonerre: can and may I access it from the internets? What's its name? |
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| 15:48.08 | soonerre | jelly: would you really dare that? |
| 15:48.16 | burgdorfer | Does anyone know how I can ssh into a server whose domain name contains Umlauts? |
| 15:48.17 | ROKO__ | which is newer version of wine for debian |
| 15:48.17 | soonerre | and: no, you can not! |
| 15:48.17 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 15:48.44 | edbian | My synaptic lists some packages that are not installed but have some residual config on the system. I use purge typically when I remove a package. This is probably the packages that depended on a purged package but only got removed themselves. |
| 15:48.44 | lapfrog | hm i added the kernel param and it seems to solve dns faster now |
| 15:48.45 | lapfrog | thanks |
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| 15:49.01 | edbian | How do I remove them via CLI? |
| 15:49.12 | jelly | burgdorfer: convert it back to punycode first, http://www.charset.org/punycode.php |
| 15:49.26 | burgdorfer | ssh simply replaces the ä in the domain name with \303\244 and tells me name or service not known |
| 15:49.34 | burgdorfer | jelly: So there really is no other way? |
| 15:50.16 | jelly | burgdorfer: I didn't say "use UTF-8 bytes", that won't work |
| 15:50.55 | jelly | there's a standardized way to encode IDN stuff in DNS namespace, and that's punycode |
| 15:51.10 | burgdorfer | jelly: You misread, SSH converted the umlaut to UTF8, not me ;) |
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| 15:51.22 | jelly | burgdorfer: your terminal and shell did |
| 15:51.25 | burgdorfer | jelly: Can't SSH do this conversion internally? I'm just wondering... |
| 15:51.32 | burgdorfer | jelly: Okay. |
| 15:52.05 | jelly | so instead of ssh motörhead.com, do ssh xn--motrhead-p4a.com |
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| 15:52.44 | burgdorfer | jelly: Yeah I get it, I'm just wondering if my openssh client couldn't do that automatically to make it easier for the user. |
| 15:53.15 | jelly | burgdorfer: it could, if you provided the patches for the source to support that, I guess |
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| 15:53.48 | jelly | frankly I would stay away from IDN domains with servers |
| 15:54.13 | soonerre | does anybody know how mutt actually passes the email over to msmtpg/sendmail/...? is it just stored somewhere else than in the Maildir/mbox or does it just exist in memory? |
| 15:55.36 | jelly | soonerre: it's a temporary file in $TMPDIR or /tmp at least at message editing time |
| 15:56.04 | jelly | but it's not what gets piped to /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 15:56.20 | kaluva | soonerre: http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttGuide/Send |
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| 15:57.27 | Eval_Sanchez | does anyone know how APTonCD works? |
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| 15:57.42 | Eval_Sanchez | does it look in the apt-cache folder? |
| 15:57.49 | Eval_Sanchez | is there even an "apt-cache folder"? |
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| 16:00.06 | vieq_ | Hello, debian testing got only netinstall iso's? |
| 16:00.39 | daemonkeeper | Full images are built weekly, but you should not be using those. Use stable and dist-upgrade |
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| 16:00.55 | soonerre | new idea: i just specify a mutt macro which will store away the password to a variable and then i start msmtp with '--passwordeval=echo $pwdvariable' - but i don't really know how to define and reference a macro variable for mutt's config file |
| 16:01.02 | soonerre | anyone familiar with that? |
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| 16:01.28 | jelly | #mutt might be |
| 16:01.49 | vieq_ | daemonkeeper: is not dist-upgrade going to download the -testing pckgs? |
| 16:02.02 | vieq_ | I am just trying to save some bandwidth :) |
| 16:02.09 | soonerre | jelly: not too responsive as you know (though i'm really a pretty annoying/persistent asker) |
| 16:02.16 | jelly | soonerre: be patient |
| 16:02.22 | daemonkeeper | vieq_: Yes, it is. But the Debian testing installer is not primarly to install testing, but to test the _installer_ itself. |
| 16:02.35 | jelly | soonerre: also, mailing lists |
| 16:02.37 | vieq_ | daemonkeeper: gotcha. |
| 16:02.44 | vieq_ | thanks |
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| 16:03.54 | marcelomauro | what program can I use to replace microsoft onenote on linux? It exist? |
| 16:04.17 | daemonkeeper | What is onenote? |
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| 16:05.55 | marcelomauro | I want to use my wacom tablet for handwritten notes |
| 16:06.31 | marcelomauro | daemonkeeper: it's a program of Office |
| 16:06.42 | marcelomauro | MicrosoftOficce |
| 16:07.05 | daemonkeeper | Well, if you want to know if there is a replacement you should tell me, what its for. I haven't used Office since 97 ... |
| 16:07.23 | kaluva | marcelomauro: Have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_personal_computer#Linux |
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| 16:08.05 | valdyn_ | marcelomauro: maybe Xournal |
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| 16:08.37 | themill | ,info xournal |
| 16:08.39 | judd | Package xournal (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: GTK+ Application for note taking. Version: 0.4.5-2; Size: 259.7k; Installed: 892k; Homepage: http://xournal.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/xournal |
| 16:09.11 | marcelomauro | daemonkeeper: hummm, I understand, it exist only 2007 heheh |
| 16:09.37 | daemonkeeper | Alternatively Lightning seems applicable. |
| 16:09.42 | daemonkeeper | The Thunderbird plugin |
| 16:10.03 | marcelomauro | themill: ahhh ok, that is |
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| 16:10.33 | marcelomauro | I will test it |
| 16:10.42 | marcelomauro | thankyou |
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| 16:12.30 | catsup | anybody know if rdesktop can be made to work on a windows xp rdp server? |
| 16:12.45 | catsup | (if and how...) |
| 16:12.47 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Yes, that''s it's primary use. |
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| 16:13.02 | catsup | right well |
| 16:13.17 | catsup | i think the protocol has changed |
| 16:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | Look at the description line of the manpage. |
| 16:13.51 | catsup | eh, right, i mean an uptodate xp |
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| 16:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: No, it hasn't changed on XP. There may be changes on 7, but not on xp. |
| 16:14.30 | catsup | coz my rdesktop dies with UNIMPLEMENTED |
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| 16:14.56 | jelly | catsup: worksforme |
| 16:15.02 | marcelomauro | daemonkeeper: thank you help. It's seems to be xournal what I want! |
| 16:15.44 | jelly | catsup: patched XP SP3 |
| 16:16.03 | catsup | jelly: do you have to use any rdesktop options, or configure the server other than to enable remote desktop? |
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| 16:16.28 | jelly | catsup: I have no idea, the Windows guys configured a group policy with all sorts of stuff |
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| 16:16.55 | PrivateAlpha | anyone know of a nice gui-hardware manager? |
| 16:17.02 | catsup | actually it's 'NOT IMPLEMENTED: PDU 9' although that integer varies |
| 16:17.13 | boudiccas | PrivateAlpha; define 'nice'? |
| 16:17.13 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: On w7 you sometimes have to tell it to allow all versions of remote desktop. |
| 16:17.15 | catsup | i got some hits on other people with the same problem |
| 16:17.32 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: yea i was told that in ##windows... but xp config has no such option |
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| 16:17.37 | jelly | catsup: nothing interesting: rdesktop -T'jelly-vm.puppies - Terminal Server Client' -ujelly -pXXXXXXXX -dKITTENS -f -rsound:local -rclipboard:PRIMARYCLIPBOARD -b -0 -5 jelly-vm.puppies |
| 16:17.53 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Which release are you running |
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| 16:18.16 | jelly | catsup: -5 is the default these days anyway |
| 16:18.29 | catsup | i tried -4 -5 |
| 16:18.37 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: of XP? i don't know offhand, i don't even know how to find out actually |
| 16:19.00 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Release of Debian? |
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| 16:19.16 | jelly | catsup: (I'm using tsclient so it adds all sorts of command line args to rdesktop, but it works without those as well) |
| 16:19.19 | catsup | oh, well i tried a few debian clients on it |
| 16:19.44 | catsup | and dl'd the rdesktop subversion source but that was just the same as the version in unstable that didn't work |
| 16:19.51 | catsup | so i didn't bother compiling it |
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| 16:20.31 | PrivateAlpha | boudiccas: it lists my hardware is a fell formatted manner |
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| 16:21.18 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: You can try specifying a different protocol. |
| 16:21.33 | jelly | PrivateAlpha: lshw ? |
| 16:22.05 | kaluva | Where's the gui in that? |
| 16:22.22 | catsup | well, hell, i should probably get going i have to take this box to my sister's apt, i will try and get it working there |
| 16:22.39 | catsup | she brought me this windows laptop with a broken monitor |
| 16:22.41 | jelly | kaluva: -X |
| 16:23.07 | catsup | i set up a PIII laptop with debian and vnc so she can access it |
| 16:23.28 | boudiccas | PrivateAlpha; what does "is a fell formatted manner" mean? It just doesnt make sense! |
| 16:23.36 | jelly | PrivateAlpha, kaluva: when the gui-build is installed, that is -- lshw-gtk package |
| 16:24.01 | catsup | problem with vnc is that when you click shutdown in windows, it kills vnc before it kills other stuff like firefox that pops up a dialog asking if you're sure |
| 16:24.11 | jelly | boudiccas: s/fell/well/ |
| 16:24.13 | kaluva | jelly: Oh, I see |
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| 16:24.37 | catsup | people in ##windows-server have no idea how to make a service not get killed in that circumstance! can you believe that? what a POS platform |
| 16:24.39 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: That window times out. |
| 16:24.53 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: yeah but it's still a problem |
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| 16:25.01 | jelly | catsup: well XP is not a topic in -server! |
| 16:25.05 | jhutchins_lt | catsup: Hasn't been for me. |
| 16:25.19 | catsup | it's a problem when the remote display dies even though the machine is up |
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| 16:26.22 | catsup | jelly: well i don't think it's possible with the other versions either. they're all the same anyway, just some arbitrary limits changed |
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| 16:29.02 | PrivateAlpha | jelly: Thanks |
| 16:29.24 | jelly | PrivateAlpha: double click the "bold" entries to descend the tree |
| 16:29.44 | PrivateAlpha | ^^, yeah guessed that :) |
| 16:30.23 | PrivateAlpha | Loving Debian btw |
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| 16:32.41 | PrivateAlpha | Oddly its not listing my GPU? |
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| 16:35.19 | vieq_ | hello, the first debian-cd/iso is the gnome one? |
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| 16:37.47 | abrotman | vieq_: generally we tell people to use the netinst |
| 16:37.59 | abrotman | vieq_: and if you're going to move straight to testing, thta's even more true |
| 16:38.09 | vieq_ | abrotman: I am using a pppoe connection not direct connect via dhcp :/ |
| 16:38.17 | abrotman | so? |
| 16:38.28 | vieq_ | abrotman: I found the testing ftp dir http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 16:38.41 | abrotman | do NOT use the testing netinst |
| 16:38.45 | abrotman | you were already told that |
| 16:38.54 | vieq_ | abrotman: failed so many times and can not connect except via network-manager |
| 16:39.10 | vieq_ | abrotman: ouch, I thought that was only for the net install.... |
| 16:39.18 | vieq_ | erm, very well |
| 16:39.24 | abrotman | that's why it says 'weekly build' .. |
| 16:39.39 | abrotman | use a CDRW, and try the stable netinet, it should have pppoeconf stuff on it |
| 16:40.00 | abrotman | or use a USB drive, whichever |
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| 16:40.51 | vieq_ | abrotman: I will check on my chances, but to sum it for now...to have gnome I should use the first cd or not? |
| 16:41.21 | caravel | vieq_: I don't think there isn't such a thing as "debian with gnome on cd1" :) |
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| 16:41.32 | abrotman | vieq_: use the netinst |
| 16:41.35 | enyawix | /etc/init.d/mysql start is broken |
| 16:41.36 | abrotman | i'm not going to keep saying it |
| 16:41.40 | vieq_ | abrotman: aright man |
| 16:41.50 | abrotman | vieq_: use a CDRW or USB stick |
| 16:41.53 | caravel | vieq_: debian is a massive collection of packages, just use the netinst -- from there, you can select what you want to install |
| 16:41.57 | abrotman | then you don't have to keep making coasters if it fails |
| 16:42.11 | vieq_ | aright folks |
| 16:42.12 | vieq_ | thanks |
| 16:42.20 | abrotman | vieq_: so you get your pppoe working with the netinst, then do your dist-upgrade to wheezy before installing other stuff |
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| 16:42.36 | vieq_ | abrotman: excellent idea and less download. |
| 16:42.38 | vieq_ | thanks |
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| 16:43.32 | abrotman | he'll be back! |
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| 16:44.04 | Devastator-work | that excellent idea was gave to him a few times.. |
| 16:44.28 | lapfrog | given* |
| 16:44.33 | Devastator-work | thanks |
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| 16:58.47 | soonerre | jelly: you still here? now it's all about debugging the "SASL authentication failed" error - will you help me? |
| 16:59.16 | ROKO__ | E: The value 'apt-build' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 16:59.24 | flores | wols: i just gave up, and installed an ubuntu ... |
| 17:00.31 | ROKO__ | what is this |
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| 17:03.09 | ROKO__ | anyone will answer for one of my 10 questions this day ?! |
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| 17:05.34 | caravel | between, when was debian.org restyled ? Quite nicer as it stands now |
| 17:05.56 | daemonkeeper | caravel: By the Squeeze release |
| 17:05.57 | themill | caravel: 6 months ago |
| 17:06.25 | themill | ROKO__: context helps. I presume you've read the documentation for apt-build already |
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| 17:12.42 | pingveno | ROKO__: Debian what? Stable? Testing? Unstable? |
| 17:12.45 | babilen | ,versions wine |
| 17:12.46 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 17:12.51 | babilen | ROKO__: ^^^^ |
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| 17:12.55 | pingveno | very nice :) |
| 17:12.58 | ROKO__ | very old ... |
| 17:12.59 | ROKO__ | hmm |
| 17:13.06 | babilen | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 17:13.07 | abrotman | ROKO__: you can try another distro perhaps? |
| 17:13.08 | judd | Package wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.32-1+b1 |
| 17:13.08 | ROKO__ | and unsupporded |
| 17:13.15 | pingveno | Hey judd, you make me happy. |
| 17:13.27 | babilen | pingveno: judd is a bot :) |
| 17:13.35 | ROKO__ | also i ask for apt-build failure |
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| 17:13.48 | ROKO__ | but still wait real answer |
| 17:13.51 | abrotman | ROKO__: with no errors stated .. also not a real question |
| 17:13.53 | judd | say pingveno: you make me happy too ;) |
| 17:14.06 | abrotman | judd: love me forever you big studd |
| 17:14.09 | abrotman | stud |
| 17:14.12 | ROKO__ | (19:57:54) (ROKO__) E: The value 'apt-build' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 17:14.18 | ROKO__ | what is this |
| 17:14.18 | ROKO__ | how to fix |
| 17:14.18 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 17:14.24 | ROKO__ | E: -> error maybe |
| 17:14.25 | pingveno | babilen: I was seizing the chance to sort of kind of quote a song. :P |
| 17:14.28 | judd | abrotman: let's get our own channel for this, big boy |
| 17:14.43 | abrotman | judd: do you know what an actual error looks like? :) |
| 17:15.04 | babilen | pingveno: No problem -- Some references are hard to convey to such an international group as the inhabitants of #d |
| 17:15.08 | abrotman | ROKO__: use a pastebin, show us the complete command and error and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:15.12 | judd | abrotman: nope. I'm perfect. I don't do errors. |
| 17:15.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:15.26 | ROKO__ | abrotman only this is log |
| 17:15.27 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 17:15.31 | abrotman | ROKO__: use a pastebin, show us the complete command and error and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:15.33 | ROKO__ | for example |
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| 17:15.35 | ROKO__ | apt-build install irssi |
| 17:15.40 | themill | dpkg: tell ROKO__ about paste |
| 17:15.42 | babilen | ROKO__: You might also want to paste your /etc/apt/apt.conf -> http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:15.42 | ROKO__ | and get only this message |
| 17:15.50 | abrotman | ROKO__: PASTEBIN |
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| 17:16.17 | themill | ,popcon apt-build |
| 17:16.19 | judd | Popcon data for apt-build: inst: 611, vote: 87, old: 473, recent: 51, nofiles: 0 |
| 17:16.27 | themill | not exactly one of the most popular packages in debian. |
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| 17:18.26 | ROKO__ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/455425/ |
| 17:18.31 | ROKO__ | apt-build install irssi |
| 17:19.00 | abrotman | ROKO__: use a pastebin, show us the complete command and error and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:19.05 | abrotman | god damn it ... it's not that hard |
| 17:19.14 | babilen | ROKO__: Please also paste your sources.list and the content of /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 17:19.35 | abrotman | ROKO__: why don't you just `apt-get install irssi` instead of building it? |
| 17:19.55 | ROKO__ | abrotman what is problem to use custom building ? |
| 17:20.03 | treebeen | hmm, i'm trying debian live LXDE, what would be the user login/pw? |
| 17:20.04 | themill | abrotman: because he likes to use electricity |
| 17:20.07 | abrotman | ROKO__: are you changing anything in the sources? |
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| 17:20.27 | ROKO__ | sources.list |
| 17:20.27 | ROKO__ | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/455429/ |
| 17:20.39 | abrotman | ROKO__: are you changing anything in the sources? |
| 17:20.44 | ROKO__ | no |
| 17:20.50 | ROKO__ | apt.conf |
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| 17:20.52 | ROKO__ | no such conf |
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| 17:21.13 | abrotman | ROKO__: so you're not changing anything, you're just building the package .. because .. for no good reason? |
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| 17:21.41 | ROKO__ | for custom hardware optimization maybe .. |
| 17:21.48 | themill | !gentoosmite ROKO__ |
| 17:21.48 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling ROKO__, and when it's all done, ROKO__ runs 7% slower than previously |
| 17:21.50 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:24.04 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 17:24.07 | kuznetzvo | Lol |
| 17:24.50 | abrotman | ROKO__: you're seriously going to get 0.0000001676453 better performane by building that package |
| 17:25.18 | Devastator-work | or lower.. |
| 17:25.21 | ROKO__ | abrotman do you help me for apt-build ? |
| 17:25.31 | babilen | ROKO__: And the package being irssi which is i/o bound anyway. There is absolutely no point in pursuing what you are doing. |
| 17:25.41 | abrotman | ROKO__: apt-get build irssi |
| 17:25.49 | ROKO__ | babilen this is just example |
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| 17:25.58 | ParkerR | wols, did you ever see my error while compiling? http://pastebin.com/PxeK92QM |
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| 17:26.30 | ROKO__ | apt-get build -> invalid option |
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| 17:26.51 | babilen | whispers "apt-get source -b" |
| 17:26.59 | abrotman | babilen: sorry, yes .. :) |
| 17:27.06 | abrotman | ROKO__: apt-get source -b irssi |
| 17:27.10 | babilen | no problem ... I can understand that this messes with you |
| 17:27.32 | abrotman | put the build-dep in his head and just spit out build :) |
| 17:27.45 | babilen | !tell ROKO__ -about package recompile |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | worst idea ever |
| 17:28.18 | abrotman | okay, not ever ... |
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| 17:28.51 | babilen | right ... |
| 17:28.52 | ParkerR | Or if someone else could take a look http://pastebin.com/PxeK92QM |
| 17:29.22 | babilen | ROKO__: Please note that it does not make sense whatsoever to do this. Please name me a single package that you think would benefit from doing this. Is there a specific reason why you chose Debian and not, say, gentoo or freebsd if recompiling is so important for you? |
| 17:29.55 | ROKO__ | recompilling is only for specific for me packages with another build opts |
| 17:30.02 | babilen | ParkerR: Are you running crunchbang? |
| 17:30.17 | babilen | ROKO__: You know how to do this now. |
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| 17:31.37 | abrotman | ParkerR: please go to #crunchbang for Crunchbang support, you're offtopic in this channel |
| 17:32.10 | ParkerR | But they are of no help and this is a much better support channel |
| 17:32.29 | abrotman | ParkerR: that is not our problem, either install Debian and come back or go to #crunchbang |
| 17:32.41 | mns | then switch to using Debian. |
| 17:32.41 | babilen | ParkerR: Install Debian and you are offtopic in here. We will and can not support it. |
| 17:32.52 | babilen | err .. |
| 17:32.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:33.01 | abrotman | would fix that, but doesn't know where to start :) |
| 17:33.05 | babilen | right |
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| 17:33.13 | DeM0nFiRe | ello |
| 17:33.15 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello* |
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| 17:33.54 | babilen | ParkerR: What I meant was: Install Debian and you are no longer offtopic in here. We will and can not support crunchbang in here. |
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| 17:34.20 | ParkerR | Could it kill you to help even though it isn't debian but debian based. Fuck you. |
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| 17:34.22 | abrotman | babilen: try again :) |
| 17:34.39 | abrotman | Would it .. |
| 17:34.46 | DeM0nFiRe | It might :o |
| 17:35.29 | DeM0nFiRe | lol he could have gone to ##linux why didn't he |
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| 17:36.29 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 17:36.36 | DeM0nFiRe | Haha, he is waiting in a channel that doesn't exist :x |
| 17:36.42 | babilen | DeM0nFiRe: No idea. But what can we do for you? |
| 17:37.03 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh, nothing, I just came to idle and pop in if an interesting chat starts :P |
| 17:37.14 | babilen | DeM0nFiRe: Sure, enjoy your stay! |
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| 17:37.43 | claw | hello is it possible to enable the powerbutton und the standby-FN key of an notebook at the state of loginscreen ? |
| 17:37.58 | claw | i want to put my system to standby even if i am not logged in |
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| 17:39.58 | franek | hi |
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| 17:41.21 | franek | is someone they netbook acer one d260? |
| 17:41.45 | abrotman | !ask |
| 17:41.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:43.31 | an0 | Any FunFile.org members in here? |
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| 17:44.01 | abrotman | just you |
| 17:44.04 | an0 | :) |
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| 17:44.26 | an0 | I need a good CLI-based torrent client, but one that is allowed by funfile.org. |
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| 17:44.43 | skilz | How to unzip .tar? |
| 17:44.52 | skilz | -zxf or zxvf doesnt work |
| 17:44.59 | an0 | it should |
| 17:45.05 | cromag | -z is a zipped file |
| 17:45.10 | cromag | for compression i think |
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| 17:45.14 | an0 | tar xf for .tar |
| 17:45.20 | an0 | tar xzf for tar.gz |
| 17:45.23 | an0 | thinks |
| 17:45.30 | cromag | somthin like that yes |
| 17:45.42 | babilen | an0: Which clients do they allow? I like rtorrent and transmission, but YMMV |
| 17:45.52 | skilz | thanks |
| 17:45.53 | mns | an0: use transmission its good. |
| 17:45.54 | babilen | an0: right |
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| 17:45.59 | skilz | thats it |
| 17:46.03 | an0 | babilen: Transmission (Versions 1.5.4, 1.7x, 1.82, 1.90, 1.93, 2.01, 2.03, 2.10, 2.11, 2.13 and 2.2x) Version 2.20 is not allowed |
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| 17:46.05 | soonerre | what compile options would you guys recommend for mutt? |
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| 17:46.07 | PrivateAlpha | http://hackmyass.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/debian.jpg :) |
| 17:46.09 | an0 | Are any of those CLI based? |
| 17:46.31 | babilen | an0: Why is it important for you that some strange third-party grants you permission to use a certain client? |
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| 17:46.53 | an0 | funfile is a private tracker |
| 17:47.01 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: #debian-offtopic please |
| 17:47.08 | franek | I have a problem with a card reader with netbook acer one d260. Does not work .... I tried http://tinyurl.com/3kv7lcf and http://tinyurl.com/3ddz9f6 but it did not work. lsusb -d 0cf2:6250 -v >> http://wklej.org/id/574356/txt/ Debian Sqeeze |
| 17:47.11 | jelly-home | an0: does rtorrent not work? |
| 17:47.25 | an0 | versions 0.x |
| 17:47.32 | an0 | according to their faq |
| 17:47.38 | mns | an0: transmission has a CLI client, that's what I use. |
| 17:47.42 | jelly-home | an0: did you try it? |
| 17:47.50 | babilen | an0: So what do they allow? Pick the least sucky client and be done. |
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| 17:48.27 | babilen | an0: What happens if you use a "forbidden" one? Are there not other tracker and above all: What does this have to do with Debian? |
| 17:48.32 | an0 | I did not. I don't know what most of the clients are, and figured I'd ask here first. Transmission and rTorrent both have CLI versions? |
| 17:48.43 | babilen | an0: yes |
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| 17:48.47 | an0 | k thanks |
| 17:48.55 | an0 | and nothing happens, it just doesnt work. |
| 17:49.12 | an0 | This has to do with debian because my server runs debian⦠and I'm looking for software for it... |
| 17:49.18 | an0 | Is that not enough? |
| 17:49.22 | babilen | sure |
| 17:49.26 | an0 | :) |
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| 17:50.06 | an0 | Guys, my microwave failed last night. What would you recommend as a replacement? |
| 17:50.10 | an0 | =P jk |
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| 17:51.37 | mns | an0: there's a guy in sweden who can make nuclear fuel on the stove, get in touch with him and ask him. that would be a good replacement. |
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| 17:52.09 | an0 | searches Google for "guy in sweden + nuclear fuel" |
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| 17:54.17 | an0 | Am I the only one who does almost everything within a screen session? |
| 17:54.59 | babilen | an0: Please take it to an offtopic channel such as #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 17:55.04 | an0 | :( |
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| 17:58.19 | safire_ | hey.. I'm getting 404 for http://brillig.cs.umd.edu/umd-csd-apt/ umdcsd/main csd-test amd64 1.0d |
| 17:58.40 | abrotman | why are you telling us? |
| 17:58.41 | safire_ | but I can browse to the actual .deb.. and I see it in Packages.gz |
| 17:59.02 | safire_ | because I need help with debian? |
| 17:59.04 | abrotman | that looks pretty malformed |
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| 17:59.12 | abrotman | i can't get to that page |
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| 17:59.58 | safire_ | it's behind a firewall |
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| 18:00.57 | an0 | safire_: is that how the entry looks in your sources.list or something? |
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| 18:01.13 | jelly-home | safire_: contact the admin of that repository and verify your deb line for sources.list is correct |
| 18:01.27 | safire_ | looks lik edeb http://brillig.cs.umd.edu/umd-csd-apt umdcsd main |
| 18:01.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think he is the admin? :) |
| 18:01.31 | safire_ | like deb.. |
| 18:01.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: I don't |
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| 18:01.59 | an0 | safire_: yes |
| 18:02.11 | safire_ | other .debs install fine |
| 18:02.15 | an0 | pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:02.29 | safire_ | (from my repository) |
| 18:02.56 | an0 | using aptitude? |
| 18:03.02 | safire_ | http://pastebin.com/ZStbBVad |
| 18:03.09 | safire_ | apt-get update && apt-get install |
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| 18:03.39 | safire_ | I'm trying to modify a script that Is really slow and inefficient |
| 18:03.58 | babilen | safire_: Please paste to http://paste.debian.net as I am not in the mood for captchas -- Please also add the exact command + entire output as long as "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy the-package-you-want-to-install" |
| 18:04.05 | an0 | Are you sure line 14 is written properly? |
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| 18:05.22 | safire_ | So we have a script that copies all our .debs and generates a Packages.gz.. I'm trying to modify it to only push out a single .deb so it's faster |
| 18:05.27 | an0 | Has it ever worked? |
| 18:05.37 | safire_ | and I'm getting the 404 for that specific package I'm trying to test |
| 18:05.43 | safire_ | let me post both scripts |
| 18:06.34 | safire_ | http://pastebin.com/VvA0wZA7 <--- working http://pastebin.com/cRpkmuYJ <---- causing 404 |
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| 18:07.28 | safire_ | I realize I'm only copying it into binary-amd64.. which was my intention |
| 18:07.30 | an0 | way over my head. did you try using bash for the non-working script? |
| 18:07.55 | an0 | sorry, not using bash, I meant. |
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| 18:08.38 | jelly-home | $DEITY, for package in `ls $PKG_DIR` |
| 18:08.49 | jelly-home | where's greycat |
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| 18:09.05 | safire_ | what? |
| 18:09.10 | jelly-home | !parsing ls |
| 18:09.10 | dpkg | Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
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| 18:09.24 | safire_ | I said the working script is bad |
| 18:09.29 | safire_ | that's why I'm trying to improve it.. |
| 18:09.53 | hiwk | how do I list which (if any) pacakges are on hold? |
| 18:09.53 | jelly-home | aight, start with the obvious |
| 18:10.07 | valdyn_ | safire_: whats supposed to be slow? copying files? |
| 18:10.17 | jelly-home | safire_: do you have any arch=all packages? Those need to go into every arch |
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| 18:10.42 | safire_ | Yep.. mainly matlab.. which doesn't need to be copied each time. 1.3GB |
| 18:10.43 | skilz | how unzip tar.bz2 |
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| 18:10.49 | safire_ | @ valdyn |
| 18:10.52 | valdyn_ | safire_: so move or link it |
| 18:10.52 | babilen | hiwk: aptitude search ~ahold |
| 18:11.06 | babilen | skilz: tar xvjf -- Please read "man tar" |
| 18:11.16 | valdyn_ | safire_: or if you want it to look like copying, hardlink it |
| 18:11.39 | valdyn_ | safire_: s/like/almost like/ |
| 18:11.43 | safire_ | what about changing the script to only accept one package? |
| 18:11.47 | safire_ | i.e. making the second one work |
| 18:11.53 | hiwk | babilen: thanks, seems like I remebered wrong (no holds) |
| 18:12.15 | babilen | hiwk: You can also take a look at the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:12.23 | valdyn_ | safire_: whatever you want |
| 18:12.41 | safire_ | That's what I want.. but also why I'm here as I don't know what I'm doing wrong |
| 18:12.53 | babilen | hiwk: Ah, that aptitude command was wrong btw. I apologise for that |
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| 18:12.58 | valdyn_ | safire_: wrong channel, try #bash |
| 18:13.03 | safire_ | hh |
| 18:13.05 | safire_ | huh? |
| 18:13.11 | safire_ | this has nothing to do with bash |
| 18:13.22 | safire_ | and everything to do with dpkg and debian |
| 18:13.29 | valdyn_ | safire_: you mean except that its a bash script ? |
| 18:13.36 | babilen | hiwk: You could also run "dpkg --get-selections|grep hold" |
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| 18:14.15 | safire_ | The script is to give you an idea of the commands I'm running |
| 18:14.20 | safire_ | I'm trying to solve the problem.. script or no |
| 18:15.03 | safire_ | The fact is I'm running dpkg-scanpackages, generating what looks to be a valid Packages.gz, running apt-get update.. and not being able to download the .deb |
| 18:15.28 | safire_ | and the .deb is in binary-amd64 directory, just like all my other working .debs |
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| 18:15.59 | valdyn_ | safire_: look at the paths generated in the Packages file, dpkg-scanpackages has options to change that, alternatively pipe it through sed to fix the path |
| 18:16.22 | safire_ | the paths look fine |
| 18:16.35 | safire_ | the path for csd-test (404 package), is in the same format as all the other working ones |
| 18:16.36 | valdyn_ | safire_: 404 means file not found so the path is not fine |
| 18:16.41 | jelly-home | safire_: are you running dpkg-scanpackages in the correct directory? Have you inspected its contents (esp. wrt. paths to deb files) |
| 18:17.02 | jelly-home | its ~ Packages file' |
| 18:17.08 | jelly-home | s |
| 18:17.34 | safire_ | yep |
| 18:17.45 | safire_ | the path is /var/www/umd-csd-apt/dists/umdcsd/main/binary-amd64/csd-test.deb |
| 18:17.56 | safire_ | which does in fact exist |
| 18:18.45 | valdyn_ | safire_: so which url is in the Packages file? |
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| 18:18.53 | jelly-home | safire_: and does that path exist on the web server, as http://hostname/var/www/umd.... ? |
| 18:19.48 | jelly-home | safire_: when I do scanpackages manually, I always give it a relative path |
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| 18:20.56 | safire_ | ah I see |
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| 18:22.42 | safire_ | oh. That's why the correct script cd's first |
| 18:22.53 | safire_ | ok, I understand now. Thanks |
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| 18:25.19 | RafaFuturo | my software center is not working when i try to intall a nex software it tells me the installation could have failde because of an error in the corresponding software package or it was cancelled in an unfriendly way. you have to repair this before you can install or remove any further software |
| 18:25.28 | RafaFuturo | im trying to install wine |
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| 18:25.45 | RafaFuturo | but it happens with all |
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| 18:26.48 | roniwiz | RafaFuturo: apt-get -f install && apt-get update as root |
| 18:27.15 | RafaFuturo | thanks |
| 18:27.35 | safire_ | is there a way to tell what .deb should be put in what arch? |
| 18:27.42 | safire_ | based on the contents of the deb? |
| 18:27.55 | valdyn_ | safire_: its filename |
| 18:28.24 | boudiccas | RafaFuturo; sudo apt-get install wine |
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| 18:29.06 | jelly-home | safire_: if you lost the filenames, you'd have to look into the control file |
| 18:29.38 | dedbef | deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt squeeze main for www.lamaresh.net's wine repo |
| 18:29.55 | dedbef | need the key too |
| 18:30.03 | jelly-home | safire_: dpkg-deb -f dpkg_1.15.3.1_i386.deb Architecture |
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| 18:31.14 | buhman | suddenly my wired-nic isn't automagically dhcp-clienting itself |
| 18:31.25 | buhman | I haven't changed a thing and my configuration should be relatively vanilla |
| 18:31.47 | buhman | how exactly does that automatic dhcp-on-boot mechanism work? |
| 18:32.01 | buhman | and how could I debug whether it's acutally trying dhcp or not? |
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| 18:33.05 | roniwiz | buhman: check /etc/network/interfaces file, look for the auto option |
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| 18:33.36 | buhman | iface eth0 inet dhcp? |
| 18:33.45 | buhman | roniwiz: |
| 18:33.51 | roniwiz | yep |
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| 18:34.02 | buhman | so what |
| 18:34.10 | buhman | what's going on in that case? |
| 18:34.26 | safire_ | jelly-home: so I should be naming my debs dpkg_version_arch.deb? |
| 18:34.40 | roniwiz | so, the line exist? |
| 18:35.09 | jelly-home | safire_: that is the usual form, yes |
| 18:35.14 | safire_ | when I apt-get install, I see the deb is named csd-test_1.0d_amd64.deb |
| 18:35.24 | safire_ | but when the deb is in the actual repository, it's just named csd-test.deb |
| 18:35.39 | roniwiz | buhman: it should do the trick, take a look at google samples of configuring that file |
| 18:35.39 | safire_ | so is it getting renamed somewhere in the installation? |
| 18:35.41 | jelly-home | safire_: apt renames them to canonical form at download |
| 18:35.47 | safire_ | ok |
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| 18:37.16 | toad_ | i'm running "cp -ax /home/toad <path>" in a script, and it's failing with "cannot create regular file ... File exists". I explicitly rm -Rf beforehand, and I also added an ls -l to check whether it is empty - it is. what's happening? |
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| 18:38.05 | jelly-home | toad_: are you root? |
| 18:38.12 | toad_ | yes |
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| 18:38.23 | skutr3 | i just installed debian and i didnt get a ui could someone help me install one? |
| 18:38.43 | toad_ | jelly-home: ideas? |
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| 18:39.05 | buhman | roniwiz: I suspect my unusual campus network configuration might be causing problems |
| 18:39.11 | buhman | (recent changes to it) |
| 18:39.34 | buhman | I'm not exactly sure what's going on, but I (even obviously right now) have internet access, but I can't ping the gateway, or anything else for that matter |
| 18:39.37 | jelly-home | toad_: when in doubt, strace it |
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| 18:40.05 | buhman | I'm not sure what exactly the extent of these limitations are, but I suspect it might be causing some trouble for dhclient |
| 18:40.05 | jelly-home | toad_: that's going to slow down the copying process a lot -- consider using rsync instead |
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| 18:40.24 | skutr3 | help* |
| 18:40.24 | skutr3 | i also need helo connecting to a network via terminal |
| 18:40.30 | JordiGH | Is it possible to have two sessions logged into d-i? Sort of like screen? So we can both do an installation. |
| 18:40.34 | roniwiz | buhman: does eth0 up automagically both in cmdline and in X? |
| 18:40.53 | buhman | roniwiz: I don't have X; and it appears to be enabled on boot, yes |
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| 18:41.07 | buhman | roniwiz: just no dhcp, as far as I can tell |
| 18:41.39 | RafaFuturo | yay that worked thanks |
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| 18:42.22 | roniwiz | buhman: perhaps your campus network is desingned to not relay dhcp packets |
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| 18:42.38 | skutr3 | can anyone help me connect to my wireless network and install a ui for debianm |
| 18:42.42 | roniwiz | or protected for it? |
| 18:42.45 | buhman | so then why would manual dhcp work and not on-boot |
| 18:42.50 | skutr3 | debian* |
| 18:43.17 | RafaFuturo | well if your wirelles is broadcom forget about it |
| 18:43.24 | buhman | what would 'relaying' actually (not) accomplish? |
| 18:43.45 | RafaFuturo | to install gui download the cd version of the installation the 600 mb one |
| 18:43.55 | roniwiz | to avoid accidental connections of nonworking clients? check with with the Sys admin |
| 18:44.06 | jelly-home | JordiGH: there can be only one dpkg/apt process at any time |
| 18:44.10 | buhman | I know, for example, the dhcp server isn't even on the same subnet that I end up being on after the assignment |
| 18:44.28 | boudiccas | skutr3; what gui do you want to install? whats it going to do? |
| 18:44.36 | buhman | so I suspect recent weirdness added to the network is somehow causing problems |
| 18:44.41 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Sure, but can there be something like a GNU screen session watching the installation? |
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| 18:45.34 | roniwiz | yep, buhman, I believe you might have a talk with the admin, to tell him about it |
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| 18:45.42 | hurdos | Hi all |
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| 18:46.10 | buhman | roniwiz: that's not good enough; though I do plan on doing that this week even, I'd like to have a more intelligent idea of what's going on |
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| 18:46.57 | buhman | I dislike not being able to ping google.com (or anything else); that's just bizzare, but I'd suspect for him to change his mind, I would have to provide concrete evidence on why he should not block those types of traffic |
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| 18:47.16 | jelly-home | JordiGH: not by default; I guess you might manage to plug in a screen in the installer image and run the process inside it, but that sounds like "development required" |
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| 18:47.31 | JordiGH | Oh well. |
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| 18:47.43 | sarkis | hey guys how can i get a list of all installed packages? |
| 18:47.49 | roniwiz | buhman: okie....dig works? |
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| 18:48.14 | JordiGH | sarkis: apt-show-versions |
| 18:48.19 | General_Jung | Hi, guys I have huge big problem |
| 18:48.27 | JordiGH | sarkis: Although that may give you more information than you want. |
| 18:48.47 | General_Jung | how force apache2 to reinstall all mods ? |
| 18:49.04 | buhman | roniwiz: yes |
| 18:49.13 | jelly-home | General_Jung: why would you do that |
| 18:49.19 | sarkis | hmm no other easy way to just get aa list of all installed packages via apt? |
| 18:49.22 | General_Jung | because I delete the whole folder |
| 18:49.24 | General_Jung | with al mods |
| 18:49.26 | JordiGH | General_Jung: Did you rm -r /etc/apache? |
| 18:49.30 | buhman | roniwiz: dns is working, it's the icmp protocol itself that I believe to be blocked |
| 18:49.32 | jelly-home | General_Jung: which folder? |
| 18:49.34 | General_Jung | I nerver feeled like this |
| 18:49.41 | General_Jung | "/etc/mod-available" |
| 18:50.19 | jelly-home | General_Jung: dpkg -S /etc/apache2/mods-available and install all those packages |
| 18:50.42 | jelly-home | General_Jung: you might need /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:51.01 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell sarkis about list installed |
| 18:51.14 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell sarkis about installed |
| 18:51.17 | General_Jung | I don´t miss the confs |
| 18:51.21 | General_Jung | there are all there |
| 18:51.35 | lrojas | hi all, what is the best way to set up a ftp server to receive and serve big files ( 1 GB aprox ), |
| 18:51.41 | General_Jung | I just need to force apache to reinstall all mods |
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| 18:51.45 | General_Jung | and don´t touching the confs |
| 18:51.47 | buhman | roniwiz: wait, I can't ping my own gateway, how is mtr accomplishing this? |
| 18:51.50 | General_Jung | that pretty improtatnt |
| 18:51.58 | JordiGH | General_Jung: apache didn't install the mods, apt and dpkg did. |
| 18:52.08 | jelly-home | General_Jung: you are definitely missing all the files from that folder, and I bet many are conffiles for the packages in question |
| 18:52.30 | JordiGH | and yes, mods-available/ also has a lot of config files. |
| 18:52.31 | themill | General_Jung: perhaps you should start with your description again.... the modules are .so files that are under /usr |
| 18:52.34 | JordiGH | Default ones, perhaps. |
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| 19:04.09 | hurdos | I have a problem with ext4 when loading my lenny, if I do not point rootfstype=ext4 for grub, OS tries to use ext3 and then shows error "kernel panic". |
| 19:04.22 | valdyn_ | hurdos: so? |
| 19:04.24 | hurdos | Does anybody know a solution for this? |
| 19:04.32 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 19:04.34 | valdyn_ | hurdos: you told us the solution |
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| 19:05.00 | troutwine | hurdos: Is there some reason why you can't edit your grub/lilo configuration? |
| 19:05.03 | hurdos | This error does not appear for squeeze |
| 19:05.18 | valdyn_ | hurdos: correct |
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| 19:07.55 | hurdos | troutwine: no? I am interested why this is happening |
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| 19:09.16 | hurdos | ups ))) I meant "." instead of "?" |
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| 19:10.51 | troutwine | hurdos: Ah, I see. Does Lenny's kernel have Ext4 baked in, or is it a loadable module? Further, is it loaded at boot or post boot? |
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| 19:13.10 | valdyn_ | hurdos: funny, i cant google the actual reason, but who cares.. |
| 19:13.19 | cat_five | hell, is there anyone here that can help me troubleshoot my webserver's sudden slowness? |
| 19:13.28 | valdyn_ | !tell cat_five -about ask |
| 19:13.33 | cat_five | have mercy on me, i'm on vacation but work is calling |
| 19:13.47 | cat_five | it's acting like it's under heavy load, but appears not to be |
| 19:13.57 | PrivateAlpha | Anyone here do alot with ffmpeg? |
| 19:14.05 | valdyn_ | !tell PrivateAlpha -about ask |
| 19:14.13 | valdyn_ | i can do this all day ;) |
| 19:14.17 | cat_five | top shows plenty of resources available, apache seems to be behaving, but it's taking sooo long for anything to actually come up |
| 19:14.39 | valdyn_ | cat_five: give some inforation, like loadavg, the different cpu percentages in top etc |
| 19:15.01 | PrivateAlpha | Can ffmpeg convert from .webm to mp3? |
| 19:15.02 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five, Is it swapping? Is there a DOS attack going on on another port? |
| 19:15.23 | valdyn_ | PrivateAlpha: man ffmpeg |
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| 19:15.25 | buhman | whois roniwiz |
| 19:15.26 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five, Is something storming the network, like a runaway printserver? |
| 19:15.41 | cat_five | this is in the DMZ so that is unlikely |
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| 19:15.44 | troutwine | cat_five: Do you have another machine you can load-balance it with? (Not a fix, but might get you back to being drunk in the sun.) |
| 19:15.57 | cat_five | heh no that's a no go unfortunately trout |
| 19:16.00 | valdyn_ | cat_five: dont make us play the guess game |
| 19:16.04 | cat_five | okokok |
| 19:16.05 | hurdos | troutwine: Lenny kernel has built-in ext4 |
| 19:16.12 | cat_five | sorry on a very narrow pipe in |
| 19:16.25 | cat_five | right now cpu is > 90% idle |
| 19:16.36 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: Is it responsive to console commands? |
| 19:16.38 | valdyn_ | cat_five: which value at wa% ? |
| 19:16.54 | cat_five | id |
| 19:17.02 | hurdos | so, it should be loaded at boot |
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| 19:17.44 | cat_five | loadavg 0.32 0.34 0.20 atm |
| 19:17.47 | troutwine | hurdos: Legacy version of grub, right? |
| 19:17.56 | jhutchins_mac | hurdos: Not necessarily. |
| 19:18.17 | valdyn_ | cat_five: ok, thats good, do some local access to that webpage.. fast? |
| 19:18.24 | jhutchins_mac | hurdos: Remember, the kernel isn't loaded until grub loads it from the filesystem. |
| 19:18.29 | cat_five | valdyn_: they're reporting it's slow even at the office |
| 19:18.38 | jhutchins_mac | hurdos: It's _grub_ that needs special treatment. |
| 19:18.40 | valdyn_ | cat_five: im talking local like same host |
| 19:18.49 | valdyn_ | cat_five: localhost, not lan |
| 19:18.57 | cat_five | ok, curl it? |
| 19:19.08 | valdyn_ | cat_five: that would be one way |
| 19:19.26 | dimir | loadavg 0.1 L / shot |
| 19:19.27 | hurdos | troutwine: no |
| 19:19.46 | simonlnu | how do i send a message to a specific jabber url (for a lack of a better word)? |
| 19:19.59 | cat_five | ok ping is quick, wget took "0 seconds" |
| 19:20.02 | simonlnu | like server.tld/announce/online |
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| 19:20.12 | valdyn_ | cat_five: great, so the error is elsewhere |
| 19:20.17 | hurdos | jhutchins_mac: What do you mean by special treatment? |
| 19:20.30 | norbert_ | hi all, my buddy has Debian stable and he attached an external hard disk but now he has no access to it (can't write to it) |
| 19:20.35 | troutwine | hurdos: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=51138 |
| 19:20.43 | norbert_ | I'm in his pc via remote access (vnc) |
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| 19:20.51 | valdyn_ | cat_five: try name resolution, the usual stuff |
| 19:21.00 | norbert_ | what should I do? anything easy or do I need to do complicated things, like edit fstab |
| 19:21.04 | troutwine | hurdos: Unless you've updated grub on your lenny box, it can't recognize ext4 without being told to look for it. |
| 19:21.15 | cat_five | dns seems fine valdyn_ |
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| 19:21.25 | valdyn_ | cat_five: well, so the error is elsewhere, not that box |
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| 19:22.18 | jhutchins_mac | . |
| 19:22.22 | jhutchins_mac | Gah. |
| 19:22.31 | valdyn_ | cat_five: i get users telling me that the internet is broken when firefox crashed, how sure is your diagnosis? |
| 19:22.36 | troutwine | hurdos: If you have update grub on that box I am much surprised and would like to know more. |
| 19:22.40 | jhutchins_mac | hurdos: You have to tell grub to use ext4 explicitly, or use grub2. |
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| 19:23.25 | babilen | norbert_: How are you mounting it? Which filesystem is used? |
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| 19:23.37 | hurdos | troutwine: jhutchins_mac: I use grub2 |
| 19:23.42 | PrivateAlpha | is there anywhere i can ask for certain packages to be updated? apparently the ffmpeg is 2 years behind |
| 19:23.43 | cat_five | valdyn_: i'm certain something is messed up in the LAMP stack here. don't lose faith in me when i say this, but it's running wordpress |
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| 19:23.54 | norbert_ | babilen: the external hard disk is ext4 and it's automounting |
| 19:24.07 | buhman | PrivateAlpha: erm use debian-multimedia/sid |
| 19:24.08 | valdyn_ | cat_five: but you can access it fine |
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| 19:24.15 | cat_five | i've kicked on a cache to lighten the load, but the administrative side is so slow it is barely functional |
| 19:24.24 | norbert_ | but then when I drop a file in it in Nautilus file manager it says "Permission denied" |
| 19:24.24 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: It was working fine, now it's not. What changed? |
| 19:24.26 | valdyn_ | cat_five: doesnt that confirm that your stack is not broken? |
| 19:24.32 | cat_five | this thing is flawless 24/7 and not that i'm on vacation... |
| 19:24.35 | babilen | norbert_: Might be a permission thing -- you could play with chmod on the mounted filesystem. What is the automounter? |
| 19:24.36 | cat_five | *now |
| 19:24.36 | stasi | whats the command to rip youtubes webm files ? |
| 19:24.37 | PrivateAlpha | buhman: use what? |
| 19:24.51 | babilen | norbert_: s/chmod/chown/ |
| 19:24.58 | troutwine | hurdos: You've confirmed that it's installed to the boot record? |
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| 19:25.02 | cat_five | jhutchins_mac: that's the thing... i assumed load but it doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary |
| 19:25.03 | babilen | !tell PrivateAlpha -about dmm |
| 19:25.03 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: Define "administrative side" - you're not trying to handle this with some stupid control panel, are you? |
| 19:25.04 | buhman | PrivateAlpha: ..it's a repository |
| 19:25.04 | norbert_ | but it's temporary directory in /media/ |
| 19:25.13 | cat_five | jhutchins_mac: wordpress admin |
| 19:25.17 | norbert_ | if I chown it to him it will work, but he can't do that every time |
| 19:25.21 | cat_five | no i am ssh'd in |
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| 19:25.38 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: Also: There will almost never be newer version in stable as not changing the versions is the very definition of stable. |
| 19:25.42 | babilen | !tell PrivateAlpha -about stable |
| 19:25.47 | valdyn_ | cat_five: this is silly, you need a way to at least *see* the issue before you can fix |
| 19:25.56 | cat_five | valdyn_: i see the latency |
| 19:25.57 | stasi | youtube-dl lets me download some youtube link but it seems to be all .webn format , how to rip that to some more common format ? |
| 19:25.57 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: So you need to figure out what changed. Database corruption? Background task? Network noise? DOS? |
| 19:26.01 | hurdos | troutwine: yes, grub is installed to the boot record |
| 19:26.05 | buhman | debian-multimedia has the libav 0.7 and ffmpeg-proper 0.8 packaged |
| 19:26.10 | valdyn_ | cat_five: latency where? |
| 19:26.23 | valdyn_ | cat_five: i mean, your curl was fast - but latency is high where? |
| 19:26.23 | cat_five | valdyn_: the speed at which the site is loading |
| 19:26.35 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: Which component is causing the load? Is it an I/O problem? Disk wait? Is there corruption on the disk causing slow reads? |
| 19:26.36 | cat_five | either over LAN or WAN |
| 19:26.40 | norbert_ | babilen: but it's temporary directory in /media/; if I chown it to him it will work, but he can't do that every time |
| 19:26.41 | babilen | norbert_: Make sure the mounted filesystem belongs to the user in question. (check with ls -l and chown accordingly) |
| 19:26.49 | valdyn_ | cat_five: but its fast locally? |
| 19:27.05 | babilen | norbert_: I am talking about the fs owner/permissions. |
| 19:27.05 | norbert_ | babilen: what if he boots the computer? |
| 19:27.06 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: Again, is the system responding normally to non-web connections? |
| 19:27.22 | babilen | norbert_: The computer will be running then :-p |
| 19:27.24 | norbert_ | it's a mounted volume in /media |
| 19:27.25 | cat_five | valdyn_: on the box, it would seem so, but i can't actually interact with the site from localhost over ssh |
| 19:27.32 | valdyn_ | cat_five: why not? |
| 19:27.33 | cat_five | jhutchins_mac: yes it is jhutchins_mac |
| 19:27.37 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: Do you have any static pages? Do they load properly? |
| 19:27.38 | valdyn_ | cat_five: use lynx or links or elinks |
| 19:27.40 | norbert_ | so if I chown it for him and he boots then the ownership is wrong again |
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| 19:27.43 | cat_five | i guess i could install links |
| 19:27.43 | babilen | norbert_: Yes, could you paste the output of "ls -l /media" please? |
| 19:27.45 | cat_five | yeah that |
| 19:27.46 | valdyn_ | cat_five: or ssh -X |
| 19:27.57 | troutwine | hurdos: Interesting. |
| 19:28.01 | babilen | norbert_: I am talking about the filesystem not the mountpoint. |
| 19:28.27 | cat_five | jhutchins_mac: that is a good question, let me load a few static things |
| 19:28.28 | valdyn_ | cat_five: or just get someone on the phone to help diagnose |
| 19:28.32 | norbert_ | it is drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 9 20:29 531cd3etc |
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| 19:30.10 | babilen | norbert_: So make sure it is username:plugdev by running, for example, "chown username:plugdev /media/THE_AUTOMATICALLY_CREATED_MOUNTPOINT" -- You have to replave username with the actual name in that command and THE_AUTO... should be obvious. |
| 19:30.17 | babilen | s/replave/replace |
| 19:30.34 | cat_five | even a static file takes a while to load |
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| 19:31.13 | hurdos | troutwine: very Interesting! I was surprised when this error was not disappeared after updating my grub |
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| 19:31.19 | babilen | norbert_: Also make sure that the user is a member of the plugdev group. But that is most certainly the case already. |
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| 19:31.34 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: Does dmesg say there are problems with the network card? |
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| 19:32.02 | cat_five | jhutchins_mac: it's vm'd, that's unlikely |
| 19:32.11 | valdyn_ | geez |
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| 19:32.29 | valdyn_ | cat_five: hows load on that *host* ? |
| 19:32.38 | babilen | norbert_: Working now? |
| 19:32.39 | cat_five | fine valdyn_ |
| 19:32.45 | norbert_ | babilen: trying :) |
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| 19:32.55 | awakecoding | Hi |
| 19:32.57 | babilen | norbert_: alright -- i'll be back in a second. |
| 19:33.08 | awakecoding | quick question: how can I blacklist a package, such that it is never installed? |
| 19:33.14 | hurdos | I think the problem is in the lenny, but I do not know where is finding it |
| 19:33.15 | troutwine | hurdos: Just for kicks, output of 'grub-install -v'? |
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| 19:33.34 | awakecoding | I have a VPS at dreamhost running debian, and it keeps installing "ndn-apache22" every couple of days |
| 19:33.41 | jhutchins_mac | cat_five: Not unlikely at all. |
| 19:33.47 | awakecoding | which is the dreamhost version of the apache package |
| 19:34.04 | awakecoding | I'm not using it, so I'd like to completely ban the ndn-apache22 package from getting installed |
| 19:34.12 | awakecoding | how can I do that? |
| 19:34.19 | ksk | how is it installed? remove the entry? |
| 19:34.30 | troutwine | awakecoding: What's starting the automatic installation? |
| 19:34.53 | awakecoding | troutwine: I have no idea, my guess is that it is running an apt-get update every couple of days |
| 19:35.12 | latepre | what's the analogue of NTFS-3G driver for FAT16/32 on linux? |
| 19:35.33 | jhutchins_mac | awakecoding: Contact dreamhost and tell them to quit installing crap you don't want on your server without your permission. |
| 19:35.47 | cat_five | i don't see any complaints about the NIC |
| 19:35.52 | babilen | latepre: support for that filesystem is in the kernel |
| 19:35.55 | valdyn_ | cat_five: if multiple concurrent accesses take as much time ( roughly ), as a single access then you know its something like name resolution |
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| 19:36.04 | latepre | babilen: what about chkdsk? |
| 19:36.11 | latepre | babilen: say i want to repair the filesystem |
| 19:36.11 | hurdos | troutwine: ok, please wait. I should reboot my box in lenny. I am in squeeze now and grub is not installed there. |
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| 19:36.22 | awakecoding | jhutchins_mac: I just tried "apt-get dist-upgrade", and the ndn-apache22 package is listed as one of the packages to be installed |
| 19:36.34 | awakecoding | so I'm pretty sure that's how it keeps getting back in there |
| 19:36.36 | babilen | latepre: I would use the windows version, but it might be packaged for debian as well. Use apt-file to find it. |
| 19:36.55 | awakecoding | I assume there's a way to tell apt to never install a package |
| 19:36.58 | latepre | babilen: and what would i be looking for? fsck.fat? |
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| 19:37.27 | babilen | latepre: For example -- Ping me if you can't find it. |
| 19:37.36 | latepre | babilen: alrighty |
| 19:37.36 | troutwine | awakecoding: Read up on apt pinning. Negative pins prevent installation. |
| 19:37.49 | troutwine | awakecoding: Negative priorities, rather. |
| 19:38.04 | awakecoding | troutwine: thank you, that's the term I should have googled for. I was googling for "blacklisting" which mostly shows stuff related to openssl instead, meh |
| 19:38.30 | babilen | latepre: dosfstools: /sbin/fsck.vfat ( apt-file search -x "bin/fsck.*fat.*") |
| 19:38.47 | latepre | babilen: yup already runing it |
| 19:38.49 | troutwine | awakecoding: No problem. Google's great, but it's not always easy to guess the right words if you don't readily recall them. |
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| 19:39.01 | themill | awakecoding: you need to work out exactly why and how it's being installed before you can be sure this will work |
| 19:39.20 | awakecoding | yeah, sometimes it's really hard to find what you want if you have no idea how it is called using the right term |
| 19:39.34 | troutwine | awakecoding: themill has a fine point. |
| 19:39.50 | jhutchins_mac | latepre: fsck.vfat |
| 19:39.53 | babilen | latepre: great, have fun! |
| 19:40.06 | themill | awakecoding: I assume it's a cron job, grepping through /etc/cron* may be fruitful in that case. |
| 19:40.30 | jhutchins_mac | Arg. Lag. |
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| 19:40.36 | awakecoding | themill: by default, those VPSes use the ndn-apache22 package, but I'm using the regular apache package instead. I have manually apt-get remove ndn-apache22 multiple times, but the dist-upgrade gets it back in there |
| 19:40.39 | norbert_ | babilen: thanks, that works |
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| 19:42.04 | babilen | norbert_: Note that you've changed the owner of the filesystem that you are mounting. That is a bit confusing, but it is the way it is. Another thing is that the device now belongs to the user with the given UID (say 1001) ... by setting the group to plugdev other users might be able to work with it as well. |
| 19:42.14 | themill | awakecoding: the output of "apt-cache policy ndn-apache22; apt-cache policy; aptitude why ndn-apache22; aptitude -s -W -D full-upgrade" might help us work out why |
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| 19:42.43 | latepre | babilen: the issue im having btw (on an SD card) - MBR is intact, partition table is fine, fdisk detects it as FAT32.. but 'mount' refuses to do anything (asks for an fs type), ideas? |
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| 19:43.29 | babilen | latepre: after a short break -- but ask the channel as well. Please also paste complete errors and commands to http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:43.37 | latepre | babilen: windows tells me to format the drive be4 i can use it, heh.. when i do "file -s" - it only reports "data" |
| 19:43.59 | awakecoding | http://pastebin.com/Jr2nP1N8 |
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| 19:44.17 | jhutchins_mac | latepre: mount -t vfat |
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| 19:44.28 | latepre | babilen: i've created an image with dd meanwhile and looked at some of the "data" and there's indeed stuff there |
| 19:44.33 | latepre | jhutchins_mac: that fails |
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| 19:44.42 | latepre | jhutchins_mac: it asks me to specify an fs type |
| 19:44.49 | latepre | and ofcourse -t vfat doesnt work |
| 19:44.53 | cat_five | valdyn_: you may have something with that nameserver suspicion |
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| 19:45.57 | Bushmills | latepre: disktype can tell you what's on the drive |
| 19:46.00 | jhutchins_mac | latepre: Without evidence to the contrary, I would assume it's a bad device. |
| 19:46.22 | latepre | Bushmills: going to try that out |
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| 19:46.48 | latepre | jhutchins_mac: the filesystem superblocks are missing apparently or whatever FAT has, so i need to recreate it i guess |
| 19:47.20 | cat_five | what do i have to restart in order for a change to resolv.conf to take? |
| 19:47.22 | themill | awakecoding: hmm... apt isn't wanting to install that package there. BTW the other things that apt wants to do are a little concerning. |
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| 19:47.31 | Bushmills | cat_five: nothing |
| 19:47.35 | awakecoding | themill: what should I do |
| 19:47.45 | cat_five | sweet |
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| 19:48.40 | themill | awakecoding: grepping through /etc/cron* would be a good idea. You need to find out why ndn-apache22 is being dragged in given that this dist-upgrade didn't do it as you thouht |
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| 19:49.56 | awakecoding | meh. there is a "ndn-autoupdate" cron job |
| 19:50.47 | themill | that'll do it |
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| 19:51.23 | hurdos | troutwine: output: grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.98-1) |
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| 19:51.35 | hurdos | I am in lenny |
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| 19:52.02 | cat_five | valdyn_: can i trouble you to explain to me why having an incorrect name server would affect a webserver serving out content? |
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| 19:52.22 | valdyn_ | cat_five: i thought your local accesses were fast |
| 19:52.34 | awakecoding | themill: the cron job is called the following perl script: http://pastebin.com/pibAsNQh it seems to be overwriting apt preferences |
| 19:52.36 | valdyn_ | cat_five: which in turn would mean that its not your webserver being affected |
| 19:52.43 | cat_five | valdyn_: it seems you were 100% correct |
| 19:52.50 | awakecoding | I only want to get rid of ndn-apache22, I still want my VPS to keep updating itself |
| 19:53.27 | themill | yuck |
| 19:53.32 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. I'm having a wasted day trying to get samba with a backend working by using http://wiki.debian.org/SambaDcWithLdapBackend, the holdup is ldap. How do I edit the slapd.conf-equivelant in Squeeze? |
| 19:53.41 | valdyn_ | cat_five: so users had slow name resolution, and instead of trying some alternate site they blamed your webserver? |
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| 19:54.04 | cat_five | valdyn_: they MOVED NAMESERVERS and didn't tell me |
| 19:54.12 | valdyn_ | cat_five: I see |
| 19:54.44 | cat_five | but i have to be honest, i really don't see why the nameserver setting on the webserver itself plays into that |
| 19:54.55 | cat_five | don't requests go through a dns server? |
| 19:55.07 | valdyn_ | cat_five: your webapp might also do local lookups via global dns names, that would be stupid too |
| 19:55.28 | themill | awakecoding: I can't see what that script does other than make mess. I'd disable it and install cron-apt. |
| 19:55.30 | themill | awakecoding: btw now is the time for you to be planning your migration from lenny to squeeze as you have 6 months' security support left for lenny; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 19:55.34 | valdyn_ | cat_five: to look up your sql database the app might use a global name instead of localhost? |
| 19:55.41 | cat_five | valdyn_: i see |
| 19:55.54 | valdyn_ | cat_five: you should put that name into /etc/hosts |
| 19:56.15 | cat_five | well thanks very much valdyn_, do you have a way to accept some beer money? :) |
| 19:56.35 | valdyn_ | cat_five: thanks, this is free |
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| 19:56.44 | melukeskywalker | anyone with packaging experience around? |
| 19:56.53 | melukeskywalker | need help with the debian/install file |
| 19:57.04 | cat_five | well i greatly appreciate it, you salvaged a half a vacation day, and more importantly, a whole vacation NIGHT! :) |
| 19:57.13 | cat_five | begins drinking |
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| 19:58.36 | greycat | After an OOM killer event, one of my two firefox windows is being drawn off-screen. fvwm reports it as 0(4):1035x883-1050+0 How can I get this window back into the visible screen area? Restarting firefox keeps putting it off screen. |
| 19:59.23 | troutwine | hurdos: It's grub's fault; I don't remember the exact version, but that's close to the cutoff for ext4 support with no issues. The guys in #grub will know more. |
| 19:59.37 | themill | greycat: your WM doesn't give you some sort of keyboard shortcut or context menu with which you can move them? |
| 19:59.57 | greycat | there's a "move" menu but it changes the mouse pointer and expects me to grab the window visually, I think |
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| 20:00.28 | hurdos | troutwine: so, do you think that the problem is in grub? |
| 20:00.43 | themill | greycat: I've seen that do relative movements before |
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| 20:01.54 | meoblast001 | hi. i just started the live CD and have no resources other than my phone for getting info. how do you install from live cd? |
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| 20:03.29 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. How do you add an 'include' line in sldapd (given that there is no slapd.conf file)? |
| 20:04.36 | meoblast001 | does the live cd have no installer? |
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| 20:06.45 | themill | meoblast001: the squeeze debian live certainly does |
| 20:06.52 | greycat | OK, that's enough time wasted. Let's assume fvwm CANNOT bring back an off-screen window. How do I tell firefox to stop opening up one of the windows off-screen? |
| 20:06.53 | meoblast001 | oh. the option hid from me |
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| 20:07.31 | greycat | http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/753373 is not promising. |
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| 20:09.47 | hurdos | troutwine: anyway thanks, I have to go |
| 20:11.01 | greycat | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Corrupt_localstore.rdf looks somewhat promising |
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| 20:14.07 | lotus-blade | can tightvnc be setup so that I see what is on my desktop, or does it create anouther login? |
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| 20:14.59 | greycat | ... holy fuck, even mv ./.mozilla/firefox/nzkpjtbw.default/localstore.rdf ~/backup-localstore.rdf doesn't work! |
| 20:15.17 | JPT | lotus-blade: maybe x11vnc is what you need :) |
| 20:15.37 | JPT | it can use existing x-displays |
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| 20:18.02 | DivineEntity | vnc = laggy garbage ... use nx by nomachine .. no comparision for performace and it gives you your true desktop session |
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| 20:23.21 | abrotman | so does vnc if you configure it to do so |
| 20:24.42 | greycat | OK, firefox couldn't do it, but it turns fvwm *can* if you edit .fvwm2rc with a special magic binding and then invoke that binding through the menus. |
| 20:24.47 | greycat | turns out* |
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| 20:27.19 | seanp2k | 'file' doesn't correctly identify SVG images. There is no SVG entry in /usr/share/file/magic . |
| 20:27.48 | JordiGH | Does it think they're xml? |
| 20:28.12 | sooniar | http://codepad.org/9MGDLWE0 <- 'make install' for mutt: any idea how i can solve this dilemma? |
| 20:28.15 | JordiGH | seanp2k: Huh, works here. |
| 20:28.16 | sooniar | someone? |
| 20:28.50 | JordiGH | sooniar: Uh, are you doing this as root? |
| 20:28.58 | greycat | sooniar: be root. |
| 20:29.06 | greycat | his error is: ./instdoc: line 21: /usr/local/share/man/man1/mutt.1: Permission denied |
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| 20:30.14 | seanp2k | JordiGH: actually this problem is on CentOS but I figured it's the same across different distros |
| 20:30.23 | greycat | seanp2k: *plonk* |
| 20:30.33 | themill | seanp2k: obviously not. Please ask the right channel in future... |
| 20:31.31 | TimmyT | i want to redirect a socks port to http. i mean i have a socks proxy but my app doesn't support socks and needs http proxy configuration, how can i transport socks into http? |
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| 20:35.07 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 20:37.21 | lancelot_of | loading the new kernel image 3.0 from sid on wheezy, the kernel does not load cpu modules so it is not able to set its frequency on demand and keep it always at maximum freq, so increasing the tempeature and the fan steering. The so loaded kernel, moreover, does not load fan sensors so i gues it's a acpi thread. |
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| 20:38.15 | lancelot_of | On kernel 2.6.29 all works fine (apart from intel video driver for my hd3000 chipset freezing sometimes my system) |
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| 20:38.26 | lancelot_of | any suggestion? |
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| 20:43.43 | jhutchins_mac | lancelot_of: What do you want to do? |
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| 20:45.47 | mina2 | hello folks. may i know why adding a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ does not add an entry to the gnome menu? |
| 20:46.00 | mina2 | am i doing anything wrong? |
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| 20:47.21 | mina2 | hello |
| 20:47.24 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys ive got debian 6 server but the route is all messed up and slow |
| 20:47.35 | PhoenixSTF | anyway to reset it or something? |
| 20:48.10 | greycat | what do you mean by "the route"? do you mean the IP address of the default gateway is set wrongly? |
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| 20:48.55 | PhoenixSTF | greycat, they where wrong cause i change places, and i deleted the old routes and put up the new default, but its not doing it |
| 20:49.15 | greycat | To change the default gateway address, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:49.28 | PhoenixSTF | i mean it has the new defaults, but its all messed up |
| 20:49.32 | mina2 | or route add default gw IP |
| 20:49.37 | greycat | I do not know what you mean. |
| 20:49.46 | PhoenixSTF | mina2, did that |
| 20:49.46 | PhoenixSTF | greycat did that 2 |
| 20:49.55 | greycat | what "defaults" does "it" have? |
| 20:49.57 | mina2 | i see |
| 20:50.18 | greycat | and what is "messed up"? |
| 20:51.50 | PhoenixSTF | greycat, hmm it deleted the default..... -.- |
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| 20:52.24 | babilen | "it" ? Please don't use anaphora and deictic expressions. Be clear and we might be able to help you. |
| 20:52.55 | sooniar | someone familiar with mutt compilation? i'd like to compile it with all options available...(at least color should be avaiable + there should be a descent header cache etc.)? |
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| 20:53.06 | PhoenixSTF | it seems like route deleted the default when i ifconfig eth0 down and up |
| 20:53.06 | greycat | #mutt should know. |
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| 20:53.32 | greycat | last time I checked, you got terminal support either through lib(n)curses or libslang, so check for those. |
| 20:53.37 | greycat | but ask #mutt if you have any questions |
| 20:53.44 | sooniar | i'm not too familiar with 'make' - does it ship with a 'compile-with-all-available-and-not-contradicting-opions'-option? |
| 20:53.54 | sooniar | greycat: #mutt is too quiet |
| 20:53.56 | minaaaa | i want to add a program to the gnome's Sound and Video menu. i put a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications but it doesnt get added to the menu? can anyone help me out? |
| 20:54.03 | greycat | that isn't something you'd ask about "make", but rather, about the specific thing you are building (in this case, mutt) |
| 20:54.07 | PhoenixSTF | greycat its working but very slow |
| 20:54.09 | sooniar | greycat: hello gain, by the way! |
| 20:54.27 | lancelot_of | jhutchins_kc, i'd like to run the kernel 3.0 but with all modules properly working in order to test also the intel video driver |
| 20:55.00 | sooniar | greycat: well, a lot of build options are not documented (i.e. --enable-smtp is working fine, but it's not documented) |
| 20:55.04 | greycat | sooniar: if libslang2-dev is installed, and ./configure finds it correctly, you should get color support via libslang |
| 20:55.30 | mjmt | minaaaa: Run desktop-file-validate on it. If it's valid it should just get picked up by menus automatically. |
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| 20:55.51 | minaaaa | mjmt: let me try |
| 20:56.33 | lancelot_of | jhutchins_kc, and i have to correct my previous post: on kernel 2.6.39 all works fine apart from that. Sorry for mistake |
| 20:56.44 | mjmt | minaaaa: Also make sure you got the Categories field right. You want AudioVideo |
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| 20:57.53 | minaaaa | it gave me an error that after AudioVideo i have not put a semicolon. let me add the semicolon and try |
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| 20:59.25 | furrywolf | trying to install on a nslu2, using the nslu2-specific installer image, can't install the base system, "Release file signed by unknown key (key id 64481591B98321F9)" |
| 20:59.50 | furrywolf | How to I make the installer skip signing? I can't use a newer image, and it seems the keys were changed, breaking old ones? |
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| 20:59.57 | furrywolf | s/to/do |
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| 21:00.35 | sooniar | greycat's gone ;( |
| 21:00.43 | tekess | hi |
| 21:00.59 | minaaaa | mjmt: i fixed the error, added a ; after AudioVideo and saved it. still does not show up in the sound and audio menu |
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| 21:02.26 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 21:02.36 | furrywolf | anyone? I need to leave in about a minute... |
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| 21:03.51 | minaaaa | mjmt: i probably pressed the revert settings to default in the menu through the GUI, is it affecting me and not picking the .desktop file? |
| 21:04.10 | furrywolf | damnit, late |
| 21:04.10 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 21:04.11 | mjmt | minaaaa: It should. And alacarte etc. don't help. What's your Icon= line say? |
| 21:04.18 | tekess | i need some help with hdmi output, I'm using my tv as screen and everything worked fine with my old linux (ubuntu 9, 2.6.31 kernel) but I've installed debian (2.6.39 kernel) and hdmi output just won't work |
| 21:04.22 | jhutchins_mac | Is there a shortcut in safari to reload a page? |
| 21:04.34 | mjmt | minaaaa: I've found some fields like that one validate okay even when they're not. For example you can't put an absolute path to an image for that. |
| 21:04.47 | tekess | any ideas? |
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| 21:05.11 | Matcou | I tried installing debian to free space, and everything was ok until i had to install grub. i chose to install it to the debian partition, but it errored, so i tried installing the other boot loaders to the debian partition but it didn't work |
| 21:05.18 | abrotman | jhutchins_mac: wrong channel? |
| 21:05.19 | Matcou | now, debian isn't installed and windows 7 won;t boot |
| 21:05.42 | minaaaa | mjmt: here it is Icon=/home/mina2/test/1/225.png |
| 21:05.52 | mjmt | minaaaa: Yep, you can't do that. :) |
| 21:06.00 | minaaaa | mjmt: lol |
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| 21:06.17 | minaaaa | mjmt: how can i have the image then? |
| 21:06.17 | mjmt | minaaaa: Put the file in /usr/share/pixmaps or /usr/local/share/pixmaps, then change it to Icon=whatever.png |
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| 21:06.35 | minaaaa | hold on |
| 21:06.35 | skutr34 | Hey I need help installing a ui for debian squeeze can anyone help? |
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| 21:07.55 | beardy | skutr34: Did you forget a "g"? |
| 21:07.55 | sooniar | is there an option for 'make' which will tell it to set all compilation options to true which don't contradict each other? |
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| 21:08.06 | Matcou | how can i partition from debian live boot? |
| 21:08.12 | Matcou | gui partition* |
| 21:08.15 | skutr34 | beardy: yeah sorry |
| 21:08.19 | Matcou | partitioner** |
| 21:08.24 | Tom_B | gparted? |
| 21:08.37 | Matcou | how could i install gparted |
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| 21:08.44 | Tom_B | or just fdisk of course |
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| 21:09.15 | skutr34 | beardy: I just installed squeeze and it came without a gui |
| 21:09.15 | skutr34 | So.... |
| 21:09.18 | }{Mtem}{TEM | hello |
| 21:10.01 | skutr34 | beardy: could you help me with it? |
| 21:10.01 | jetscreamer | so install one |
| 21:10.21 | jetscreamer | aptitude install xorg gnome-desktop or whatever |
| 21:10.28 | minaaaa | mjmt: still does not show up |
| 21:10.30 | beardy | skutr34: :) What do you want to run? GNOME, KDE and xfce re the bigger heavier desktops, there's a wide range of lighter window managers. You only need the libraries to run whichever you want in whichever you want. So, what had you in mind? |
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| 21:10.51 | themill | sooniar: /msg dpkg install x; /msg dpkg install gnome; /msg dpkg install kde; (etc) |
| 21:10.51 | minaaaa | mjmt: but if i copy that .desktop file to Desktop it shows up and i can click and run it |
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| 21:10.55 | skutr34 | beardy: gnome is fine with me |
| 21:11.09 | beardy | !install gnome |
| 21:11.09 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 21:11.10 | themill | err.. skutr34 ^^ |
| 21:11.11 | minaaaa | mjmt: it just does not appear on the menu for some reasons |
| 21:11.14 | DeM0nFiRe | Heh I wouldn't call XFCE heavy |
| 21:11.26 | DeM0nFiRe | It's not the lightest, but I wouldn't call it heavy |
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| 21:11.33 | tekess | hello?? nobody knows about hdmi stuff? any help would be appreciated |
| 21:11.36 | beardy | Then we know. |
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| 21:12.28 | bmoloney | I know I can used 'dkpg --get-selections' and 'dpkg --set-selections' to replicate the installed packages across machines (provided the same repositories are enabled). However, if I just do 'apt-get -u dselect-upgrade' then the packages from backports will not be installed. If I do 'apt-get -tsqueeze-backports -u dselect-upgrade' then I am considered that more packages will be pulled from backports than I want. |
| 21:12.53 | bmoloney | s/considered/concerned |
| 21:12.58 | }{Mtem}{TEM | I want get on the email |
| 21:13.04 | }{Mtem}{TEM | HOW |
| 21:13.07 | }{Mtem}{TEM | Ø |
| 21:13.11 | jetscreamer | use the other method maybe? no idea |
| 21:13.43 | skutr34 | beardy: thanks |
| 21:13.43 | }{Mtem}{TEM | i us phone |
| 21:14.08 | jetscreamer | hmm... |
| 21:14.12 | jetscreamer | !aptitude clone |
| 21:14.12 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone> |
| 21:14.13 | }{Mtem}{TEM | email freenode |
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| 21:14.47 | abrotman | }{Mtem}{TEM: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 21:14.52 | tqrst | "dpkg-reconfigure emacsen-common" yields "ERROR: emacsen-common being used before being configured. This is likely a bug in the emacsen-common package, which needs to add one of the appropriate dependencies. See /usr/share/doc/emacsen-common/debian-emacs-policy.gz for details.". This is with 1.4.17. It also keeps me from installing emacs-goodies-el. Any ideas? |
| 21:14.55 | troutwine | tekess: You need to provide more details. I don't know anything about your problem, but "just won't work" is probably too vague even for those with a similar setup. |
| 21:15.02 | themill | bmoloney: "/msg dpkg bpo list" to get the the list of packages from backports separately |
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| 21:15.15 | abrotman | tqrst: dpkg --configure emacsen-common |
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| 21:15.26 | jetscreamer | did you dpkg-reconfigure emacsen-common? no idea if it helps |
| 21:15.37 | jetscreamer | oh sorry nvm |
| 21:15.46 | tqrst | abrotman: errors out saying it's already installed and configured |
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| 21:16.11 | tekess | troutwine, thanks for replying... there's not much I can say, there are no errors in log files 'cause system boots ok, it's just that it's not using hdmi output instead of vga |
| 21:16.16 | bmoloney | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 21:16.31 | tqrst | jetscreamer: that's what I was doing, in some desperate attempt to make apt-get let me install emacs-goodies |
| 21:16.34 | abrotman | tqrst: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 21:16.52 | troutwine | tekess: What references have you stumbled on while googling? |
| 21:17.01 | themill | bmoloney: that "aptitude clone" factoid won't provide you with the information required to propagate backports selections. |
| 21:17.07 | mjmt | minaaaa: I'm wrong about full paths for Icon btw. Must be something else wrong with your file. Might be worth having a quick look at the desktop entry spec: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html |
| 21:17.17 | tqrst | abrotman: fails with same as above. The only package in that queue is emacs-goodies-el |
| 21:17.20 | minaaaa | ok let me check |
| 21:17.26 | tekess | what do you mean by references? |
| 21:17.33 | jhutchins_mac | tqrst: You don't suppose /usr/share/doc/emacsen-common/debian-emacs-policy.gz would have any details, do you? |
| 21:17.38 | tqrst | abrotman: (which I tired to install a few minutes ago) |
| 21:17.39 | tqrst | jhutchins_mac: I wish |
| 21:17.40 | tekess | (i'm sorry, my english sucks) |
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| 21:18.05 | bmoloney | themill: ah, yes I was just looking at its output and coming to the same conclusion |
| 21:18.15 | Matcou | Why won't the grub boot loader install? |
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| 21:18.31 | abrotman | tqrst: put the whole thing in a pastebin |
| 21:18.34 | bmoloney | bmoloney: so I need two lists, one for backports and one for everything else... |
| 21:18.41 | troutwine | tekess: Web pages that discuss a similar problem, forum posts etc. (No worries. My your-native-language sucks.) |
| 21:18.41 | bmoloney | themill: so I need two lists, one for backports and one for everything else... |
| 21:18.48 | tekess | with older kernels I didn't have to specify or configure anything special, I just plugged the tv to the computer and voila |
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| 21:19.15 | ice799 | Is there a way to tell, given a deb file, if it was signed or not? |
| 21:19.17 | Matcou | Why would the debian installer render windows 7 unbootable |
| 21:19.21 | tekess | I've googled it for the whole day, i just can't find anything useful |
| 21:19.28 | Matcou | when i manually partitioned it to affect nothing with NTFS file system |
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| 21:19.43 | themill | bmoloney: well, one for *everything* and one for bpo is more likely. Install everything then "xargs aptitude -t squeeze-backports upgrade <thebpolist" should work. |
| 21:19.47 | Matcou | and then debian fails to install after rendering windows 7 unbootable |
| 21:20.18 | tqrst | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/rLXnRYMh |
| 21:20.32 | minaaaa | mjmt: i did another experiment, i copied and pasted the content of an already existing file tomboy.desktop to my file.desktop and changed its category to AudioVideo. it still does not show up |
| 21:20.42 | troutwine | tekess: What is your current kernel version? |
| 21:20.51 | troutwine | tekess: And xorg version? |
| 21:20.52 | Matcou | does nobody feel like helping? |
| 21:21.10 | tqrst | abrotman: (it says partially installed because I tried to install it earlier, and encountered the same issue) |
| 21:21.16 | minaaaa | mjmt: i just copied the contents from tomboy.desktop which was already present. seems gnome is just not picking my file from the directory |
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| 21:22.17 | tekess | troutwine, 2.6.39-2-486.. I don't think xorg is relevant because I can't even see the login prompt on a text console |
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| 21:22.44 | bmoloney | !dpkg bpo list |
| 21:22.44 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'. To list all packages in the backports repo: aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)' Also ask me about <which repo>. |
| 21:22.45 | troutwine | tekess: Hmm, yeah, probably not then. vhdmi you said? |
| 21:23.01 | }{Mtem}{TEM | fak |
| 21:23.04 | mjmt | minaaaa: killall -u yourusername gnome-panel It's safe, it'll just restart. |
| 21:23.32 | minaaaa | thanks lemme try |
| 21:23.50 | tekess | troutwine, vhdmi? what does the v stand for there? I've never heard of it :( |
| 21:24.37 | Matcou | ok, thanks to debian and it's bad grub install my computer is rendered useless |
| 21:24.42 | Matcou | and you guys clearly don't like to help people |
| 21:25.02 | themill | Matcou: abusing people who may otherwise help you won't get you anywhere |
| 21:25.11 | Matcou | themill: i asked my question 5+ minutes ago |
| 21:25.13 | Matcou | no response. |
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| 21:25.51 | abrotman | tqrst: did you check the BTS? |
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| 21:26.46 | Matcou | let me ask again. |
| 21:26.55 | sooniar | boy! mutt is such a b to set up! |
| 21:27.04 | sooniar | *to install* |
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| 21:27.36 | skutr34 | beardy: you still here? |
| 21:27.56 | jhutchins_mac | sooniar: Yeah, I gave up and stuck with (al)pine |
| 21:27.56 | Matcou | Why won't the grub boot loader install to my debian partition? I went through the process and it failed to install to /. So did lilo/elilo. I then rebooted my computer and windows 7 wouldn't boot. there was no boot loader or anything. also, debian wasn't installed. |
| 21:28.06 | PhoenixSTF | i have some network issues on my debian 6, its takking tooo long to start ping altough ping itself is normal, and to get any connection from the web it takes to long to start, maybe a cache problem? |
| 21:28.50 | jhutchins_mac | PhoenixSTF: DNS/ipv6 |
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| 21:29.17 | minaaaa | mjmt: i seemed to fix the problem. i had named the file combining both uppercase and lowercase chars like FileName.desktop when i changed it to filename.desktop it showed up. probably a bug |
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| 21:29.27 | tqrst | abrotman: I found a few seemingly related bugs from ~2004, but figured they'd be fixed by now |
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| 21:29.36 | PhoenixSTF | jhutchins_mac, what dns/ipv6? im with ipv4 |
| 21:29.55 | skutr34 | Hey I'm trying to install gnome on debian but it can't find the package because I'm not connected to a network can someone help me connect to a network via terminal? |
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| 21:30.24 | PhoenixSTF | jhutchins_mac, i am having some route command issues, it seems it passed my default gateway do dnsdefault |
| 21:30.25 | tqrst | abrotman: (plus emacs-goodies-el is a fairly common package...) |
| 21:31.13 | abrotman | tqrst: which vefsion of Debian ? |
| 21:32.09 | tqrst | abrotman: lenny |
| 21:32.12 | abrotman | ugh |
| 21:32.15 | tqrst | yep |
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| 21:32.35 | tqrst | I inherited this :( |
| 21:32.39 | abrotman | what's in that .gz file ? |
| 21:32.40 | sooniar | maybe this pattern/problem looks familiar to one of you smtp freaks? http://codepad.org/j5oDhG6Y ? |
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| 21:33.12 | skutr34 | How can I determine the mac address of my wireless network? |
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| 21:34.18 | minaaaa | skutr34: ifconfig wlan0 |
| 21:34.21 | dacu | how can I install wine 1.3.9 and were from ? |
| 21:34.32 | tqrst | abrotman: general info about emacsen-common and notes for package maintainers |
| 21:34.48 | abrotman | i think you're after the notes |
| 21:34.53 | abrotman | dacu: ask #winehq |
| 21:34.56 | tqrst | abrotman: http://fts.ifac.cnr.it/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/emacsen-common/debian-emacs-policy.gz |
| 21:35.17 | Matcou | ...? |
| 21:35.17 | skutr34 | minaaaa: I'm not connected |
| 21:35.25 | tqrst | I'm tempted to just upgrade the whole cluster instead |
| 21:35.39 | abrotman | is pretty sure the obvious answer is to use vi :) |
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| 21:35.53 | minaaaa | skutr43: it still displays the mac address i think |
| 21:35.58 | abrotman | tqrst: 6-B ? |
| 21:36.01 | sooniar | #mutt mutes me just for asking simple questions about their program! |
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| 21:36.12 | sooniar | got to #mutt and feel free to flood! |
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| 21:36.17 | abrotman | judd: versions emacs-goodies-el |
| 21:36.18 | judd | Package emacs-goodies-el on i386 -- lenny: 29.3-2; squeeze: 34.1; sid: 35.0; wheezy: 35.0 |
| 21:36.32 | minaaaa | skutr34: ifconfig wlan0 shows mac address in HwAddr field |
| 21:36.33 | skutr34 | minaaaa: how |
| 21:36.53 | minaaaa | skutr34: go to terminal. type ifconfig wlan0 and press enter |
| 21:36.58 | skutr34 | I did |
| 21:37.02 | skutr34 | One sec |
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| 21:37.33 | simonlnu | how do i type that? |
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| 21:38.43 | skutr34 | minaaaa: I don't see any HwAddr field |
| 21:39.16 | minaaaa | skutr34: what do u see paste here |
| 21:39.35 | skutr34 | minaaaa: I can't paste... I have no gui |
| 21:40.00 | abrotman | !pastebinit |
| 21:40.01 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 21:40.17 | minaaaa | it should show something like wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 20:4c:e5:a5:71:22 |
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| 21:41.06 | ironm | good evening. do you have interest to test xen debian live images? (squeeze with xen 4.0 and/or wheezy with xen 4.1.2*)? Thank you in advance for your help ;) |
| 21:41.15 | skutr34 | minaaaa: IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID: off/any |
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| 21:41.36 | abrotman | ironm: there is a #debian-xen and a #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:41.48 | skutr34 | minaaaa: mode: managed |
| 21:41.48 | minaaaa | skutr34: it should show u the mac address lol |
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| 21:42.26 | skutr34 | minaaaa: well is there any way to scan for networks? |
| 21:42.37 | ironm | thank you abrotman :) |
| 21:42.39 | minaaaa | skutr34: set your mac address with the command ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 11:11:11:11:12 |
| 21:42.57 | minaaaa | skutr34: your mac will be 11:11:11:11:12 ;) |
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| 21:43.13 | skutr34 | minaaaa: I don't know my mac though |
| 21:43.29 | minaaaa | make it 11:11:11:11:12 ;) |
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| 21:44.26 | jelly-home | that's going to be impossible |
| 21:44.28 | tabakhase | md0 : active raid1 sdd1[1] sdc1[0] \n 1397261632 blocks [2/2] [UU] \n [============>........] resync = 64.2% - who syncs who? sdd1->sdc1 or the other way arround? =( |
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| 21:44.52 | skutr34 | minaaaa: cannot set requested address |
| 21:45.02 | simonlnu | [1] is the active one |
| 21:45.15 | jelly-home | simonlnu: why not [0]? |
| 21:45.41 | jelly-home | md2 : active raid1 sdc1[0] sdb1[1] <- both active |
| 21:45.42 | blauefuesse | hello. is there in squeeze or at all an app. for tinyurl or simular, that works like pastebinit ? |
| 21:45.45 | simonlnu | that's what i remember when i last played with softraid. |
| 21:45.53 | jelly-home | md0 : active raid1 nbd0[3](W) dm-0[2] <- also both active |
| 21:45.56 | simonlnu | which was 6 7 years ago... |
| 21:45.59 | tabakhase | when [1] is "active", whos serving here: md1 : active raid1 sdb3[2] sda3[0] :D:D |
| 21:46.20 | minaaaa | skutr34: i tried sudo ifconfig wlan0 hw ether 62:11:11:11:12 |
| 21:46.24 | minaaaa | skutr34: works |
| 21:46.36 | jelly-home | minaaaa: it's usually 6 bytes, not 5 |
| 21:46.41 | skutr34 | Hold on |
| 21:46.46 | simonlnu | ok, so i misremembered ;) |
| 21:46.53 | minaaaa | jelly-home: yes lol |
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| 21:47.18 | tabakhase | the "faulty" one should have a (F), but the (F) gets removed as soon as resync starts... |
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| 21:47.30 | skutr34 | minaaaa: that worked |
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| 21:48.00 | minaaaa | skutr34: don't hack into others wifi. its not legal |
| 21:48.19 | skutr34 | .... |
| 21:48.22 | minaaaa | skutr34: and don't set their mac address in your ;) |
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| 21:48.48 | luke-jr | Why when I ssh to a Debian server, does 'ls' align columns as if colour codes are characters, and then strip the colour codes out? If I run 'alias ls="ls --color"', it works properly, but that gets old |
| 21:48.58 | skutr34 | minaaaa: I just want to connect to my network |
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| 21:49.17 | minaaaa | skutr34: does ifconfig wlan0 give u the hwaddr now? |
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| 21:49.43 | skutr34 | minaaaa: yes |
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| 21:50.10 | minaaaa | skutr34: unless you put that code in rc.local your mac address will be reset on next login |
| 21:50.34 | simonlnu | next reboot |
| 21:50.35 | tabakhase | Aug 9 18:05:04 web1 kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: [sdd] Attached SCSI disk |
| 21:50.35 | tabakhase | Aug 9 18:05:04 web1 kernel: ata5: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 300) |
| 21:50.43 | tabakhase | so sdd failed |
| 21:50.46 | skutr34 | minaaaa: I just need it once so I can install gnome |
| 21:51.20 | minaaaa | skutr34: i am still not sure how your card did not show any hwaddr before u set one |
| 21:51.38 | minaaaa | skutr34: how ifconfig wlan0 did not show the default mac |
| 21:51.53 | thewanderer1 | luke-jr: it might be clearer if you provide a printout or a screenshot I suppose |
| 21:52.14 | skutr34 | minaaaa: probably because I just realized I was running iwconfig wlan0 instead of ifconfig wlan0 |
| 21:52.26 | minaaaa | luke-jr: you are still on yandere playing that game? |
| 21:52.26 | skutr34 | ..... |
| 21:52.42 | minaaaa | skutr34: ahhh iwconfig is for connecting etc ;) to an essid |
| 21:52.53 | minaaaa | skutr34: and for scan |
| 21:53.08 | skutr34 | minaaaa: alright |
| 21:53.15 | minaaaa | skutr34: iwlist is for scan* |
| 21:53.37 | skutr34 | minaaaa: ok |
| 21:53.42 | minaaaa | luke-jr: still playing yandere? ;) |
| 21:53.51 | luke-jr | minaaaa: sometimes |
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| 21:54.10 | TheRedOctober | Hi all. Setting up slapd in squeeze has me contemplating harakiri. I cannot get the example slapd.conf from /usr/share working, nor can I get it working with the conf in the ldap db (the default configuration). Anyone ever get openldap working in squeeze? |
| 21:54.11 | skutr34 | minaaaa: how are we going to find the mac address of my wireless network if I'm not connected? |
| 21:54.27 | minaaaa | skutr34: just run ifconfig wlan0 |
| 21:54.40 | minaaaa | it will show u |
| 21:55.06 | Matcou | how do i delete a partition with fdisk |
| 21:55.07 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: I believe the correct term is "seppuku" <hands knife> |
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| 21:55.11 | luke-jr | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/455608/ |
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| 21:55.45 | skutr34 | minaaaa: it's still the same one |
| 21:56.02 | minaaaa | skutr34: restart, the default will show up |
| 21:56.36 | skutr34 | minaaaa: alright... then what? I still have to connect to the network... |
| 21:56.41 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: the kanji is the same for both actually (but backwards) |
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| 21:57.11 | minaaaa | skutr34: why do u need to know the mac address? u can connect without knowing the mac |
| 21:57.36 | skutr34 | minaaaa: I was reading a tutorial that said I would |
| 21:57.41 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: what exact error message are you getting? |
| 21:57.55 | skutr34 | minaaaa: alright then.... how do I connect to the network? |
| 21:57.57 | claw | does anybody know how to enable the powerkey or the standbykey for the logon-screen ? |
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| 21:58.46 | minaaaa | skutr34: ifconfig wlan0 up then type iwconfig wlan0 essid "the essid of the network" |
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| 21:59.26 | minaaaa | skutr34: then route add default gw <ip address> |
| 21:59.29 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: init.d script returns fail, syslog say "<backend> failed init (bdb)", but it is absolutely proper (works on my old slapd.conf machine, directive is right per man entry) |
| 21:59.42 | skutr34 | minaaaa: the network is protected with wpa2 so what would I do for that? |
| 21:59.52 | odn | bash: mkinitramfs: command not found. an idea of the package to download ? google won't answer me :s |
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| 22:00.54 | claw | odn try bootcd-mkinitramfs - initramfs extension for bootcd |
| 22:01.26 | skutr34 | minaaa: I did the first two commands |
| 22:01.27 | minaaaa | skutr34: iwconfig wlan0 essid "network name" key "password" |
| 22:01.43 | odn | claw, it's for a system, not a live cd :s |
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| 22:02.08 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: hm, does daemon.log say anything informative? |
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| 22:02.24 | blauefuesse | odn: apt-cache search initrd |
| 22:02.32 | odn | initramfs-tools... that's ok, thanks |
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| 22:02.51 | skutr34 | minaaaa: saying my key is an invalid argument |
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| 22:03.05 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: it doesn't get that far, nothing in there since dhcp |
| 22:03.17 | odn | didn't find it searching initrd... |
| 22:03.23 | minaaaa | skutr34: try without the double quotes, my AP is open, so i have not tested the key option |
| 22:03.25 | blauefuesse | odn: sorry: apt-cache search initramfs |
| 22:03.43 | odn | yes, that' ok, i found it "initramfs-tools"... |
| 22:03.53 | odn | 3.0.1 compiled ;) thx |
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| 22:04.11 | skutr34 | minaaaa: same |
| 22:04.13 | blauefuesse | odn: your welcome |
| 22:04.25 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: you'll need to enable verbose mode, debug mode or whatever slapd calls it, then |
| 22:04.37 | skutr34 | minaaaa: same output I mean |
| 22:04.38 | minaaaa | skutr34: google and search for the correct key that u got to type |
| 22:04.47 | S4nD3r | Hi there! How do I solve this problem? http://pastebin.com/qC8Z43RQ |
| 22:05.10 | minaaaa | skutr34: i always do iwconfig wlan0 essid "name" (i dont use a key) |
| 22:05.58 | skutr34 | minaaaa: is wpa2 supported? |
| 22:06.38 | blauefuesse | skutr34: apt-cache show wpasupplicant |
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| 22:06.49 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: yeah, doesn't get anywhere, just says that line 53, which matches documentation, examples, etc, fails to init, and exits:*( |
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| 22:08.03 | odn | hum... someone know where i can find a dkms package for kernel 3.0.1 ? |
| 22:08.04 | skutr34 | blauefuesse: invalid operation wpasupplicant |
| 22:08.31 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: I also thought the "documentation" was lying to me, until I found out that the new config format (LDAP config in LDAP, great) is not so well documented |
| 22:09.16 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: yeah, that is the problem, ldap in ldap, arrgh! |
| 22:09.29 | TheRedOctober | i would prefer a conf file, much better, much much much better |
| 22:09.36 | skutr34 | blauefuesse: oh sorry I got it |
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| 22:09.52 | blauefuesse | blauefuesse: ;-) |
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| 22:10.20 | skutr34 | blauefuesse want output? |
| 22:10.26 | HelpPlease | How can i manage partitions in debian live boot? |
| 22:10.45 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: not that I'm trying to dissuade you, but have you considered using MySQL instead? :P |
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| 22:12.41 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: I am quite tempted by it (it is superior in many ways IMHO), but I am not going to be at this job forever, and ldap seems like the right answer for this information... |
| 22:13.32 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: AFAIK, the config file is not going to work, you'd have to edit LDIF files containing the config |
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| 22:14.04 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: there used to be a lenny->squeeze migration script that translates config->LDIF for you, you might be able to use it to hack around writing the LDIF yourself |
| 22:14.07 | minaaaa | skutr42: yes it does support wpa2 and wep did you google it? |
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| 22:16.18 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: I think I am going to sleep on it, not worth winding myself up anymore, thanks for the moral support |
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| 22:18.08 | wolfric_ | any recommended irc daemons? |
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| 22:18.47 | blomqvist | ircd |
| 22:19.00 | Matcou | Hello, can anybody see my text? |
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| 22:19.13 | blomqvist | or maybe ngircd |
| 22:19.38 | blomqvist | Matcou, yes :) |
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| 22:20.30 | Matcou | Ok. |
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| 22:20.39 | Matcou | How do i manage partitions from live boot? |
| 22:20.47 | TheRedOctober | thewanderer1: I figured it out. I missed a variable back_@BACKEND@ in a not commented out section that was biffing up the db init |
| 22:21.17 | blomqvist | Matcou, gparted, parted, fdisk |
| 22:21.29 | blomqvist | are some of the applications you can use |
| 22:21.34 | Matcou | how do i install parted from live boot though |
| 22:22.06 | thewanderer1 | TheRedOctober: wow, congratulations. well, enjoy LDAP now :D |
| 22:22.06 | Matcou | ? |
| 22:22.46 | blomqvist | Matcou, are you booted in GNOME ? |
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| 22:23.24 | Matcou | kde |
| 22:23.28 | Matcou | blomqvist: kde |
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| 22:24.28 | blomqvist | oh, okay, not sure, but maybe in KDE somewhere you can find it already installed in System Settings or Control Center |
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| 22:25.28 | blomqvist | or press Alt+F2, and in run dialog box execute 'gparted' OR 'qtparted'. one of those should be installed already but not sure, I never used debian live cd. |
| 22:25.31 | Matcou | blomqvist: nope. |
| 22:25.40 | Matcou | how do i use fdisk to delete a partition |
| 22:25.51 | Matcou | and make one boot enabled |
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| 22:26.53 | Matcou | ug i really need to get this situated |
| 22:26.56 | blomqvist | Use 'd' to delete partition, 'a' to mark one partition active |
| 22:27.06 | abrotman | which livecd is this? |
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| 22:28.57 | Matcou | blomqvist: sudo fdisk d /dev/sda6 ? |
| 22:29.28 | blomqvist | nop, in fdisk /dev/sda, then, 'd' |
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| 22:30.26 | Matcou | blomqvist: why when i do fdisk -l, /dev/sda6 is System "Linux" |
| 22:30.31 | Matcou | but i can't delete it |
| 22:30.49 | blomqvist | you don't have to fdisk -l |
| 22:31.02 | blomqvist | do, fdisk /dev/sda |
| 22:31.06 | Matcou | i know |
| 22:31.06 | blomqvist | and then: d |
| 22:31.13 | Matcou | i did fdisk -l and then fdisk /dev/sda6 |
| 22:31.19 | Matcou | and then "d" |
| 22:31.21 | blomqvist | it'll prompt for partition |
| 22:31.24 | Matcou | oh |
| 22:31.25 | blomqvist | that's stupid |
| 22:31.42 | Matcou | my bad. |
| 22:31.44 | blomqvist | you should be using fdisk on /dev/sda |
| 22:31.45 | blomqvist | :p |
| 22:31.47 | blomqvist | np |
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| 22:34.09 | Matcou | blomqvist: it did nothing. |
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| 22:34.50 | Matcou | i fdisk /dev/sda->d->5 until it says 1-4 |
| 22:34.57 | Matcou | i then type q to quit |
| 22:35.10 | Matcou | and then fdisk -l and they are all there still |
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| 22:36.12 | Matcou | o nvm |
| 22:36.13 | Matcou | im dumb |
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| 22:38.34 | blomqvist | Matcou, you need to use 'w' to save and exit. |
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| 22:39.06 | ThePub | we need a ports system in debian :) |
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| 22:40.00 | Derpadong | I have a question about the linux kernel 2.26.39. Why is it freezing when I try to log in? |
| 22:40.26 | blomqvist | because you're so cool? |
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| 22:40.59 | Derpadong | Seriously. =| |
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| 22:45.21 | sooniar | "SASL authentication failed" with mutt - what to do about it? |
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| 22:45.55 | delvalle26 | can anyone recommend a nice gtk3 dark theme? |
| 22:46.10 | delvalle26 | or one as a base I can start with, preferably lgplv2+... |
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| 22:53.29 | Novato_Debian | hi |
| 22:53.39 | Novato_Debian | alguien habla español? |
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| 22:54.24 | babilen | !es |
| 22:54.24 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 22:54.50 | sooniar | mutt mutt mutt mutt mutt mutt... |
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| 22:54.55 | sooniar | feels mutt |
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| 22:55.40 | astor | sayz hello |
| 22:55.52 | Novato_Debian | tnks, cyas |
| 22:56.56 | negge | is anyone here? I need some help with my RAID |
| 22:57.06 | negge | I'd like to follow this guide: http://www.sjvs.nl/?p=12 but I don't know if it's safe |
| 22:57.41 | negge | I have a disc in a RAID10 that has a failed sector. If I force a re-allocation using hdparm, should I just add the disc back to the array after I'm done or should I somehow force a re-sync first? |
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| 22:58.51 | babilen | sooniar: Do you need help with something? Please note that #debian does note replace #mutt even though you left that channel. |
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| 23:02.36 | sooniar | babilen: #mutt muted me though i was neither flooding nor was i using unappropriated language, they just don't seem to like asking people over there |
| 23:03.22 | sooniar | babilen: the last comment from their site was "rtfm" - as i would go to an irc channel if the manual would actually clear up things... |
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| 23:05.11 | sooniar | babilen: yeah, i need help: both, 'mutt' and 'mutt-patched' in the repos give "SASL authentication error" and compiling the whole thing myself always gives "Server does not support SMTP" |
| 23:05.28 | sooniar | though the server supports it and even supports SASL based auth |
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| 23:05.35 | sooniar | (verified with msmtp) |
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| 23:08.32 | sooniar | babilen: why you ask? |
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| 23:10.14 | sooniar | babilen: ah, yes, mutt hangs on the SASL failure all the time... |
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| 23:11.20 | sooniar | babilen: the whole thing has already been reported 5 years ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutt/+bug/65821 |
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| 23:19.14 | albech | rather strange snmp error.. I have installed snmpd on several other machines following exactly the same procedure and all of the sudden this one machine gives me an error. Following the error line 144 in the config seems equally puzzling. http://pastebin.com/d5k6dcsf |
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| 23:58.08 | J_Rey | Can anyone confirm if debian-6.0.2.1-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso has everything needed to boot & install from that one CD? |
| 23:58.28 | J_Rey | i.e. is it the Live CD for 6.0.2? |
| 23:58.40 | daemonkeeper | enough to boot & install is netinstall |
| 23:58.44 | daemonkeeper | Which is 180M |
| 23:59.05 | daemonkeeper | Yours includes the xfce desktop on the CD as well, the packages that is. Its not a live CD |
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| 23:59.51 | J_Rey | OK |
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