| 00:00.25 | J_Rey | does both that & debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso have graphical installer included as well? |
| 00:00.35 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 00:00.48 | J_Rey | well that'll work then |
| 00:01.54 | abrotman | J_Rey: the netinst has a GUI installer also |
| 00:02.04 | daemonkeeper | The full ISO is enough to install a small, suitable desktop system. The netinstall CD allows you to to install a minimal system suitable as starting point to get everything else you want. Despite its name, you don't need a working network connection for it. |
| 00:02.32 | J_Rey | just curious then now what does the regular one without Xfce included have then for WM/DE? |
| 00:02.48 | abrotman | J_Rey: parts of gnome and a few other WMs |
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| 00:03.28 | J_Rey | hmm... |
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| 00:04.02 | doublehp | why would "tarting virtual private network daemon" make server unreachable to ping ? |
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| 00:05.33 | J_Rey | well my system only has 256 MB RAM so any votes on which WM/DE might work best while retaining graphics acceleration? |
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| 00:06.07 | daemonkeeper | 256 might be really difficult these days |
| 00:07.07 | J_Rey | From what I gather from others is size/bloat wise that would be LXDE, Xfce then IceWM from largest to smallest |
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| 00:07.14 | doublehp | J_Rey: fluxbox/blackbox, e16 |
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| 00:07.29 | J_Rey | yeah... |
| 00:07.35 | doublehp | e17 if you have HW accel |
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| 00:07.44 | doublehp | (after removing all goodies) |
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| 00:10.02 | J_Rey | any other opinions/recommendations? |
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| 00:10.05 | J_Rey | thanks so far :) |
| 00:10.05 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 00:10.17 | ZenWalker | un openoffice.org <none> (no hay ninguna descripción disponible) |
| 00:10.21 | ZenWalker | what is "un" =? |
| 00:10.50 | ZenWalker | (dpkg -l) |
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| 00:22.00 | abrotman | ZenWalker: man dpkg |
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| 00:27.00 | ZenWalker | abrotman: man dpkg-query :) |
| 00:27.25 | ZenWalker | abrotman: but, I can not remove that packages |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | ZenWalker: no, really .. man dpkg |
| 00:27.55 | abrotman | and it also says it at the top of the 'dpkg -l openoffice.org' |
| 00:28.05 | abrotman | why would you remove it? it's already not installed? |
| 00:29.39 | ZenWalker | is not installed, but I want remove it on the list of dpkg |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:31.21 | simonlnu | you can't remove something that's not installed |
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| 00:36.50 | nevyn | you can purge it. |
| 00:37.11 | nevyn | but I can't remember ootomh if n is never installed or not installed. |
| 00:39.05 | simonlnu | un is not installed at all |
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| 00:42.16 | abrotman | there's a flag to remove it from the status file IIRC |
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| 00:43.07 | mweichert | hi, I'm using lenny and lenny-backports. I want to install heartbeat from lenny-backports but when I do "apt-get install heartbeat" it keeps trying to grab the version from "main" - any ideas? |
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| 00:49.34 | roniwiz | night everyone |
| 00:49.41 | zykotick9 | mweichert, "apt-get install -t lenny-backports heartbeat" perhaps? |
| 00:51.01 | mweichert | zykotick9: that did it |
| 00:52.35 | mweichert | zykotick9: I just assumed that the most up-to-date version would have been used |
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| 01:01.36 | iankp | The network indicator that is in the top bar (with the clock) seems to have disappeared. I'm using gnome 3.0.2 on Debian wheezy. |
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| 01:02.22 | abrotman | did you compile it yourself? |
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| 01:03.05 | iankp | no, the only unusual thing that I have done is changed apt from stable to unstable, and upgraded all the software. |
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| 01:07.37 | abrotman | is that all ... |
| 01:07.52 | abrotman | isn't sure how wheezy is either stable or unstable .. but okay |
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| 01:13.53 | simonlnu | yhrly |
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| 01:16.08 | General_Jung | hi guys I set compiled a new kernel with grsecurity/staticly but I get no network after the system boots |
| 01:16.13 | General_Jung | ifconfig shows the ip |
| 01:16.17 | General_Jung | but no route |
| 01:16.22 | General_Jung | any ideas ? |
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| 01:16.43 | sudokill | grsec shouldnt affect it |
| 01:17.05 | General_Jung | yea might that I forget something in the kernel to compile |
| 01:17.21 | General_Jung | but I am wondering that the system boots up with no error |
| 01:17.25 | General_Jung | at least no essential |
| 01:18.12 | th0r | General_Jung: try putting it all together so we can read it. |
| 01:18.23 | General_Jung | what do you mean ? |
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| 01:19.03 | General_Jung | ifconfig show my ip + pcilist shows netcard - but no route setup |
| 01:19.19 | General_Jung | exactly the same system with the standard kernel produced a route |
| 01:19.49 | General_Jung | currently I started the system with the standard kernel to check what kern.log says |
| 01:19.51 | sudokill | is this your first time trying a hardened kernel? is it a server? |
| 01:20.07 | General_Jung | no |
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| 01:20.26 | General_Jung | but last kernel was 2.6.18 |
| 01:20.57 | General_Jung | yea no workstation but I got a console |
| 01:21.00 | General_Jung | remote console |
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| 01:22.16 | thewanderer1 | General_Jung: what Debian release is that? |
| 01:22.19 | General_Jung | 6 |
| 01:22.28 | thewanderer1 | with 2.6.18 kernel? O.o |
| 01:22.32 | General_Jung | negative |
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| 01:23.03 | General_Jung | its 2.6.32 |
| 01:23.08 | General_Jung | the debian ones |
| 01:23.19 | thewanderer1 | General_Jung: did you modify any options besides the grsec ones? |
| 01:23.25 | General_Jung | oh yes |
| 01:23.29 | General_Jung | its stable and pretty small |
| 01:23.32 | General_Jung | heavy heavy small |
| 01:23.40 | thewanderer1 | and without routing :P |
| 01:23.47 | General_Jung | no ^^ |
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| 01:24.29 | General_Jung | I used the config from the 18the services release and add a few things |
| 01:24.29 | thewanderer1 | if you add the route manually, does it work? |
| 01:24.37 | General_Jung | not tried |
| 01:24.50 | General_Jung | I just checked ifconfig and route |
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| 01:32.35 | shazbotmcnasty | my girlfriend installed grub to the mbr while installing debian |
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| 01:32.40 | shazbotmcnasty | she wanted to dual boot #! and win 7 |
| 01:32.48 | shazbotmcnasty | it muffed it all up |
| 01:32.56 | shazbotmcnasty | will not boot at all |
| 01:33.04 | shazbotmcnasty | also while booting into livedisk it says logical failure on on hda |
| 01:33.08 | shazbotmcnasty | and i/o error |
| 01:33.14 | shazbotmcnasty | think hdd dead? |
| 01:33.20 | shazbotmcnasty | it's about 4 months old |
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| 01:34.08 | DexterF | when I make an ext3 without any further options, what's the default max file size? web says 16gb-2tb, but on what does that depend? |
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| 01:36.47 | sabaton | DexterF, on blocksize |
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| 01:51.54 | furrywolf | I'm putting debian on a nslu2, using the latest version of the nslu2-specific installer. Installing the base system fails with "Release file signed by unknown key (key id 64481591B98321F9". Apparantly the keys changed since the installer was made, and older installer versions no longer work? How do I make it not check the signing? |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | furrywolf: a) the #debian-arm channel would probably know more b) there's a flag you can pass to have it ignore the apt keys |
| 01:53.16 | furrywolf | well, this isn't an arm-specific issue, and all the keyring packages are architecture "all". :) |
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| 01:54.57 | furrywolf | any ideas what the flag is? googling didn't find anything... |
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| 01:57.13 | HTT-Bird | is anyone else getting 404s from http.us.debian.org when apt-get'ing certain packages? (the current version of apt in Wheezy being one of them) |
| 01:57.14 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/example-preseed.txt .. that's what i found for the preseed .. look for 'unauthenticated' |
| 01:57.28 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: apt-get update first |
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| 01:58.23 | kNC | i thought wheezy wont be out until next year |
| 01:58.28 | abrotman | it won't be |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | at least next year, if not the year after |
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| 01:59.01 | abrotman | there is no delivery date for wheezy |
| 01:59.16 | kNC | ok |
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| 02:00.01 | kNC | abrotman, is that a TCL Script that sets it up like that: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 02:00.04 | HTT-Bird | kNC: indeed there is not. this particular box tracks testing, whatever name it may have. |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | is what a tcl script ? |
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| 02:03.02 | kNC | oh ok HTT-Bird. |
| 02:04.15 | kNC | abrotman can you run irc client in console mode? ctrl+alt+f2? |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | uh .. i can .. can you? |
| 02:05.04 | furrywolf | google really isn't finding anything helpful on this problem... lots of people with it, no solutions. |
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| 02:06.04 | HTT-Bird | kNC, it's called irssi. :) |
| 02:06.15 | kNC | ok thanks HTT-Bird |
| 02:06.20 | astor | high typical google :) |
| 02:06.49 | furrywolf | or ircii or bitchx, if you don't like irssi's "we did every single thing different just because we could" attitude... |
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| 02:09.52 | fowl | can you make aptitude do parallel downloads? all i'm finding is annoying hacks would be nice if this was a setting |
| 02:10.12 | furrywolf | grrrr, this seems like a design problem. it should give you a "unable to verify release file, proceed anyway?" prompt, not fail... |
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| 02:17.56 | Castizo | Hi my name is Debian! Is this the channel for other gay guys named Debian? |
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| 02:18.52 | th0r | Castizo: good-bye |
| 02:19.22 | Castizo | I have a vibrating dildo in my ass! |
| 02:19.28 | Castizo | ohhhhhh baby! |
| 02:19.35 | Castizo | What about you Debian Th0r? |
| 02:19.44 | craigevil | !ops Castizo troll |
| 02:19.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: craigevil complains about: Castizo troll |
| 02:20.06 | Castizo | !ops craigevil Channel Emergency |
| 02:20.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: castizo complains about: craigevil Channel Emergency |
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| 02:22.10 | Lns | Can anyone point me toward NFS fixes for testing? Ever since I upgraded to testing, I can't start nfs-kernel-server, and my logs give me: RPC: server localhost requires stronger authentication. |
| 02:22.39 | Lns | I've tried the usual fixes from the bug reports in /etc/hosts.allow but that isn't working for me. |
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| 02:23.50 | Lns | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621773 -- I've also verified I'm running rpcbind instead of portmap (looks like it got swapped) via dpkg, which apparently is required now. |
| 02:25.28 | PrivateAlpha | My libc6 has been configuring(after upgrade with Synaptic) itself for 4 hours now. that normal? |
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| 02:25.38 | abrotman | no |
| 02:25.45 | furrywolf | ok, installing oldstable instead of stable seems to be working... I guess I'll dist-upgrade as soon as it's done installing. |
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| 02:28.19 | PrivateAlpha | Here is some of the output its putting out: http://i.imgur.com/1YFSS.png |
| 02:28.19 | furrywolf | installing the base system is supposed to take 4 hours, apparantly... blah. |
| 02:28.40 | furrywolf | I remember when an install on a 33mhz 486 took a half hour... and now the base system is 4 hours? :) |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | the base system does NOT take 4hrs |
| 02:31.07 | DeM0nFiRe | Heh only took me like maybe 20 minutes |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | it takes maybe 10 minutes on new hardware |
| 02:31.18 | DeM0nFiRe | And that includes me walking away for a couple minutes at a time |
| 02:31.38 | furrywolf | abrotman: except this isn't new hardware. it's a 133mhz arm box. :) |
| 02:31.51 | craigevil | only took me a little over an hour on a crappy wireless connection to install base>d-u to sid>install kde |
| 02:32.24 | PrivateAlpha | anyone? |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | furrywolf: with a USB1 external drive .. yay |
| 02:33.12 | furrywolf | heh, yeah, the install is onto a CF card on usb. |
| 02:34.05 | furrywolf | PrivateAlpha: perl often seriously screws up during upgrades due to locales problems. I have no idea why. it's one of the many reasons I dislike perl. |
| 02:34.27 | furrywolf | libc6 updates the locales stuff, then perl gives a bunch of errors. but usually after a few minutes of useless errors, it works... |
| 02:34.34 | craigevil | PrivateAlpha, running sid? |
| 02:35.25 | furrywolf | I've seen that exact same list of errors ~10 times. heh. |
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| 02:36.18 | PrivateAlpha | craigevil: ye will abort and remove perl first |
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| 02:39.12 | PrivateAlpha | meh quick restart brb |
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| 02:44.23 | PrivateAlpha | it seems WrapI18N.pm is the offending file |
| 02:44.40 | PrivateAlpha | now where is that delete button |
| 02:45.06 | furrywolf | that's unlikely to actually fix anything. :) |
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| 02:47.19 | craigevil | PrivateAlpha, look at the libc6 bug reports, and deleting random files isn't going to fix things |
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| 02:49.07 | furrywolf | 6% installing the base system... I think this might be one of those installs I leave and come back to. heh. |
| 02:50.39 | PrivateAlpha | eh. cant revert a rm can you? |
| 02:51.00 | furrywolf | re-install the package that provides the file |
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| 02:51.55 | craigevil | if it was a conf file you need to use confmiss not just a normal apt-get install foo |
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| 02:53.37 | PrivateAlpha | Could you step me through that? |
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| 02:54.34 | craigevil | !confmiss |
| 02:54.36 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 03:00.34 | intruder | hi, I can't find a bug but I'm sure it's only because I'm not expressing it correctly, it's an Iceweasel bug were menus disappears when you move your cursor over it (happens after a while, when using compiz) anybody knows how to properly rephrase that or knows the bug number by any chance ? |
| 03:01.09 | craigevil | its a compiz bug not an iceweasel bug |
| 03:01.28 | intruder | but it only affects icewesel |
| 03:01.31 | intruder | *weasel |
| 03:01.54 | PrivateAlpha | "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" Yay for me |
| 03:02.47 | intruder | PrivateAlpha: not root or there is another process using it |
| 03:03.32 | PrivateAlpha | ye i know |
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| 03:04.04 | intruder | craigevil: you know about it ? I know in the compiz workaround there is a fix for "firefox menus", doesnt work |
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| 03:05.15 | Tekk_ | what package allows for partitioning and messing with ufs? |
| 03:05.43 | furrywolf | does compiz ever work correctly, or do anything useful? |
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| 03:06.23 | Tekk_ | furrywolf: short answer: no |
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| 03:06.42 | furrywolf | that's what I thought. :) |
| 03:07.13 | intruder | furrywolf: I use it everyday for about a year and I wouldnt get rid of it |
| 03:08.02 | craigevil | intruder, see Debian User Forums View topic - Weird firefox 4 menu problem - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61909 |
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| 03:08.19 | furrywolf | bbl, this install is going to take a while... |
| 03:08.34 | intruder | craigevil: yea that's what I'm reading, that's exactly it, didnt know I could just minimise/maximize though |
| 03:09.05 | PrivateAlpha | Going to grab perl source and see if i can replace the missing file |
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| 03:13.28 | intruder | got it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/438868 |
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| 03:16.43 | syntaxx | is it possible in preseed to explicit a filesystem example a home directory when doing a reinstall? |
| 03:16.53 | PrivateAlpha | QQ Ok soi |
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| 03:17.04 | PrivateAlpha | so i cant find a replacement file |
| 03:17.40 | intruder | syntaxx: when doing a reinstall ? |
| 03:17.52 | PrivateAlpha | cant reinstall it because dpkg is locked up. what now? :< |
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| 03:18.08 | Tekk_ | PrivateAlpha: unlock dpkg? |
| 03:18.17 | PrivateAlpha | Tekk_: how? |
| 03:18.18 | syntaxx | intruder, yeah let say ill reformat a system using preseed.. but the home directory should not be formatted aswell |
| 03:18.18 | intruder | PrivateAlpha: you said you knew |
| 03:18.46 | Tekk_ | PrivateAlpha: the lock file is /var/lib/dpkg/lock iirc |
| 03:18.58 | Tekk_ | PrivateAlpha: but don't do it if dpkg is running ;) |
| 03:18.59 | intruder | syntaxx: yes, I'm pretty sure you can, I'm currently doing things of the sort let me look up my own config |
| 03:19.18 | PrivateAlpha | Tekk_: but it is running :/ |
| 03:19.21 | voltagex | intruder: would be interested in the config as well |
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| 03:21.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | syntaxx: yes its possible, teh DI wiki pages should have examples/documentation |
| 03:21.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | *the |
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| 03:21.38 | PawnStar | hi. i have a problem. every time i boot, i see a message reading "linux sucks" very quickly flicker across the screen. is that normal |
| 03:22.12 | syntaxx | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah cant seem to find the line though |
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| 03:23.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | i don't have any of that stuff open atm or i'd look it up |
| 03:25.08 | intruder | something like that should do it: http://paste.debian.net/125703/ |
| 03:26.47 | syntaxx | intruder, ok.. so just the word keep will make the filesystem intact |
| 03:26.49 | PawnStar | LINUX SUCKS |
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| 03:26.54 | PawnStar | LINUX USERS ARE STUPID |
| 03:27.05 | PawnStar | i didn't say that |
| 03:27.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | PawnStar: your trolling not taking off? thats a shame |
| 03:27.38 | PrivateAlpha | Pawnstar you downloaded porn and got a virus |
| 03:28.19 | intruder | syntaxx: yea.. I just don't know how to specify the partition |
| 03:28.48 | syntaxx | intruder, thanks a lot.. ill give it a try |
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| 03:29.10 | skilz | What number do I chmod a file to make it read/write by anyone |
| 03:29.28 | intruder | My guess is that it will keep the second partition and that's it |
| 03:29.38 | wols_ | skilz: u+rw |
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| 03:29.44 | wols_ | sorry: o+rw |
| 03:29.45 | th0r | skilz: 666 or 777 |
| 03:29.53 | intruder | skilz: the number of the beast |
| 03:30.06 | syntaxx | intruder, it will just keep but do you think it will automatically mounted? |
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| 03:30.36 | intruder | syntaxx: yes, that is specified by { mountpoint /home } |
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| 03:32.03 | syntaxx | intruder, alright! thansk a lot.. |
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| 03:32.29 | intruder | oh wait a minute |
| 03:32.47 | PrivateAlpha | ok so my WrapI18N.pm file from perl5 is missing, and dkgp is locked up... how can i fix this? |
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| 03:34.33 | PawnStar | linux users are idiots |
| 03:34.56 | DeM0nFiRe | Who is this guy and why is he here? |
| 03:35.10 | PrivateAlpha | he picked up a virus |
| 03:35.25 | PrivateAlpha | that makes that pop up |
| 03:35.30 | furrywolf | he's a troll, and he's here to troll. troll is one of those words that can be used as many parts of speech. :) |
| 03:35.39 | PawnStar | furrywolf is A MORON |
| 03:35.51 | PawnStar | Tourette's; sorry |
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| 03:36.10 | furrywolf | sure.... |
| 03:36.26 | PrivateAlpha | Oh nvm i actually thought it had a brain |
| 03:37.00 | PrivateAlpha | pats the troll on the head |
| 03:37.18 | intruder | syntaxx: you need to add use_filesystem{ } also |
| 03:37.21 | simonlnu | !ops PawnStar |
| 03:37.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill: simonlnu complains about: PawnStar |
| 03:37.51 | PawnStar | simonlnu: you're so sad |
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| 03:38.16 | PrivateAlpha | your IQ is sad |
| 03:38.26 | PrivateAlpha | sad panda is also sad |
| 03:38.28 | simonlnu | sad that you're sad enough to troll here, and feel lonely. |
| 03:38.46 | syntaxx | intruder, ok i already have the line on my current preseed.. installing it now and ill let you know if its work just fine :) |
| 03:38.57 | PrivateAlpha | see simonlnu is a beautiful person that cares even for trolls! |
| 03:39.03 | intruder | syntaxx: you're testing that in a vm of some sort I guess ? |
| 03:39.07 | simonlnu | and happy that i'm going to ignore you now |
| 03:39.15 | PawnStar | PrivateAlpha: you're a waste of space |
| 03:39.25 | syntaxx | intruder, yes |
| 03:40.04 | PawnStar | i'm reporting you to the freenode staff |
| 03:40.13 | PrivateAlpha | Please do |
| 03:40.19 | intruder | syntaxx: you'll probably have better luck if you do it twice, since you'll be sure partitions will have the same size as before |
| 03:40.44 | PrivateAlpha | PawnStar: I'm waiting |
| 03:40.46 | PawnStar | they told me to report you to the ops |
| 03:40.49 | syntaxx | intruder, ok |
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| 03:41.25 | PrivateAlpha | PawnStar: ok cool now take of your shoes, look at then then hit yourself on the head with them |
| 03:41.38 | PrivateAlpha | Anyway i'ma stop feeding him now :P |
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| 03:50.46 | intruder | syntaxx: ...yea that won't work, it won't create the partition the first time, we need a flag that says create_if_needed{} |
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| 03:51.33 | syntaxx | intruder, so we just need to add that options? can you give me the url where you see those options? |
| 03:52.13 | intruder | there is no such option |
| 03:53.23 | intruder | http://ftp.dc.volia.com/pub/debian/debian/preseed/partman-auto-recipe.txt |
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| 03:54.17 | syntaxx | thanks |
| 03:54.37 | intruder | what you could do, if provide two different preseed file and make two menu options for Install and Reinstall |
| 03:54.46 | intruder | *is provide |
| 03:55.19 | PrivateAlpha | Could someone pass me a copy of WrapI18N.pm? |
| 03:55.22 | syntaxx | intruder, yeah that's what im doing right now.. just seperate two preseed for fresh and reinstall.. |
| 03:56.00 | intruder | that's an easy way out, but kind of ugly |
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| 03:58.30 | wols_ | PrivateAlpha: your nearest debian mirror should be able to? |
| 03:58.45 | PrivateAlpha | uh |
| 03:59.02 | syntaxx | 1 50 -1 ext3 $lvmok{ } in_vg{ sysvg } lv_name{ homeLV } method{ keep } use_filesystem{ } filesystem{ ext4 } mountpoint{ /home } . |
| 03:59.03 | PrivateAlpha | explain please? :3 |
| 03:59.13 | syntaxx | hope that one works on reinstalling |
| 03:59.49 | wols_ | PrivateAlpha: either debian has it, so you can use it to get it, or it doesn't then how is asking for it debian related? |
| 04:00.39 | PrivateAlpha | Well i need it and debian cant get it for me so i need to get it manually |
| 04:00.43 | wols_ | PrivateAlpha: there are dpkg helpers to create .debs out of CPAN modules btw |
| 04:02.21 | intruder | syntaxx: I think it would be best if you got rid of filesystem { ext4 }, the doc refer to it as "Specifies the filesystem to put on the partition." |
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| 04:03.03 | intruder | you don't want to "put" something on it, even though you said method {keep} and removed format{} |
| 04:03.17 | wols_ | !tell PrivateAlpha about cpan |
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| 04:07.26 | PrivateAlpha | wols_: uhm how can cpan be useful to me? |
| 04:08.41 | craigevil | cpan wont help he removed a file that 'might' have been causing the libc6 upgrade to hang in sid , use apt-file search to find what package provides the file |
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| 04:09.16 | PrivateAlpha | Ye one of those 5 am stupid mistakes :/ |
| 04:10.56 | wols_ | craigevil: the file he named isn't in debian according to pdo but it is in cpan for some reason |
| 04:11.28 | PrivateAlpha | wols_: its part of perl5 |
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| 04:11.56 | PrivateAlpha | I totally love how i need to apt-get apt-file |
| 04:12.10 | PrivateAlpha | which ofcourse i cant |
| 04:12.35 | PrivateAlpha | because dpkg is locked up |
| 04:13.02 | craigevil | hm im with wols on this, im running sid with perl 5.12.4-2 and apt-file search WrapI18N.pm returns nothing |
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| 04:15.32 | PrivateAlpha | ok found it on cpan |
| 04:15.34 | Alligadi | hi |
| 04:16.15 | Alligadi | i have a squash-fs file which i want to mount as pseudo-readwrite directly in / |
| 04:16.21 | Alligadi | how can i achieve that? |
| 04:16.49 | Alligadi | at first i mounted it to a folder: mount /mnt/sda1/tce/sfs/sage.sfs /mnt/sage |
| 04:17.09 | Alligadi | but now i want to union it to / |
| 04:18.13 | intruder | isnt there an option called "bind" somewhere |
| 04:18.40 | PrivateAlpha | "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process" Great, so now what is locked? |
| 04:18.55 | intruder | PrivateAlpha: what are you doing ? |
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| 04:19.27 | Alligadi | bind? a option? hmm |
| 04:19.41 | PrivateAlpha | smashing my head against a wall.. Trying to fix the mess I made |
| 04:19.55 | Alligadi | i t ried: mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/mnt/sage:/ unionfs / |
| 04:20.07 | intruder | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SquashFS-HOWTO/creatingandusing.html |
| 04:20.30 | Alligadi | i found that but it doesnt help |
| 04:20.36 | Alligadi | because i need to bind it to / |
| 04:20.38 | Alligadi | not to a folder |
| 04:20.59 | Alligadi | mount: mounting unionfs on / failed: No such device |
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| 04:24.14 | intruder | anyway don't we using aufs these days ? |
| 04:24.34 | intruder | *use |
| 04:24.35 | Alligadi | how can i achieve it with aufs? |
| 04:25.03 | Alligadi | i only need some way to achieve that i tried 10 hours already |
| 04:25.37 | intruder | I don't know but the typical live cd does it at each boot |
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| 04:26.09 | intruder | what are you trying to do exactly ? |
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| 04:27.14 | PrivateAlpha | Awesome. first problem solved |
| 04:27.31 | PrivateAlpha | now i need to figure the rest out :/ |
| 04:27.46 | Alligadi | i have a program 1.5 GB big |
| 04:28.00 | Alligadi | in the sfs it has 500MB |
| 04:28.04 | Alligadi | i want to mount it to / |
| 04:28.08 | Alligadi | so that i can use it |
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| 04:28.41 | intruder | and this squashfs is from a livecd ? |
| 04:28.55 | Alligadi | its just a squashfs file i created |
| 04:28.59 | Alligadi | and which i want to use |
| 04:29.12 | Alligadi | so i want to mount it to / but that isnt easy it seams |
| 04:29.34 | intruder | why don't you just recreate it with the file in it |
| 04:29.48 | Alligadi | ?? |
| 04:29.49 | Alligadi | which file |
| 04:29.59 | Alligadi | it includes everything i wanted to include |
| 04:29.59 | intruder | your 1.5gb program |
| 04:30.14 | Alligadi | which file? it works |
| 04:30.29 | intruder | ...1.5gb program wth is that |
| 04:30.39 | Alligadi | i have put it into a sfs file |
| 04:30.42 | PrivateAlpha | Anyone have an idea of howto fix this: http://i.imgur.com/cyKIv.png |
| 04:30.43 | Alligadi | squash fs |
| 04:30.50 | Alligadi | and now i want to mount it to / |
| 04:30.58 | intruder | what is it, why isnt it already there ? |
| 04:30.59 | Alligadi | thats all, mountin a squashfs to / |
| 04:31.24 | intruder | if you want to put it into a sfs now why not then, if you just created it |
| 04:31.39 | Alligadi | ? it is in the sfs |
| 04:31.48 | Alligadi | creating the sfs was no problem |
| 04:31.54 | Alligadi | but now i want to mount it to / |
| 04:32.10 | Alligadi | the sfs |
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| 04:32.42 | Alligadi | i was able to mount it to a folder |
| 04:32.42 | intruder | ok let's step back, what are you trying to do, in general, how is this meant to be used, why squashfs |
| 04:33.20 | intruder | if not for a livecd |
| 04:33.31 | Alligadi | squash fs is a compressed read only file system, directly mountable. Perfect for USB stick systems |
| 04:33.54 | Alligadi | i can mount it to everywhere, but i want to union the contents to / |
| 04:34.27 | intruder | so you just carry a squash filesystem like that |
| 04:34.28 | Alligadi | so the problem is in short: |
| 04:34.38 | Alligadi | the problem not being able to union a folder to / |
| 04:34.54 | Alligadi | thats the problem i need to solve |
| 04:35.08 | Alligadi | it is solveable but i dont know how yet |
| 04:35.14 | Alligadi | maybe someone here knows it |
| 04:35.46 | Alligadi | yes, sorry for my bad englisch :D |
| 04:36.05 | intruder | see the man page for mount, look for the bind options, that might just do it |
| 04:37.25 | Alligadi | i will try, thank you |
| 04:37.29 | intruder | mount --bind olddir newdi |
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| 04:37.51 | Alligadi | hm |
| 04:38.06 | Alligadi | but wouldnt that just remount olddir to newdi? |
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| 04:38.36 | Alligadi | that command will union it to one? |
| 04:40.51 | Alligadi | i dont think so but i will try, will need a restart i think because of crash :D |
| 04:41.21 | simonlnu | a bind mount is like a union mount for bsd, but different |
| 04:41.34 | Alligadi | all in / is lost now |
| 04:41.44 | Alligadi | i just see the contents of my squashfs file in / |
| 04:41.53 | Alligadi | like expected |
| 04:41.56 | Alligadi | no union behavior |
| 04:42.05 | simonlnu | uh, why did you mount it to / ? |
| 04:42.16 | Alligadi | because i want to union the contents to / |
| 04:42.18 | Alligadi | like i said |
| 04:42.30 | Alligadi | union them |
| 04:42.33 | Alligadi | that means: |
| 04:42.38 | simonlnu | join |
| 04:42.45 | simonlnu | yes, i know |
| 04:42.57 | simonlnu | you can't do that |
| 04:43.03 | Alligadi | ? |
| 04:43.14 | Alligadi | puppy linux uses that too |
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| 04:43.21 | Alligadi | every sfs gets mounted directly to / |
| 04:43.28 | Alligadi | with union |
| 04:43.44 | PrivateAlpha | Is there a way to revert dpkg? |
| 04:43.46 | Alligadi | but i wanst able to achieve that in the console yet |
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| 04:45.12 | Alligadi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.19 | Alligadi | i will try that after reboot :D |
| 04:45.37 | intruder | that doesnt even exist |
| 04:45.56 | simonlnu | no... you mounted your squashfs on top... |
| 04:46.14 | skilz | How do I disable the user@hostname:~$ from my terminal so it just diplays ~$ ? |
| 04:46.15 | Alligadi | unionsfs was created to do things like that |
| 04:46.33 | Alligadi | unionfs had the idea: hey why not binding folders together? |
| 04:46.35 | simonlnu | yes, but you didn't use that afaict |
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| 04:46.50 | Alligadi | is there a way in CLI to do that? |
| 04:47.04 | simonlnu | skilz: edit your PS1 |
| 04:47.16 | intruder | today's live systems uses aufs, look up what they do, because they do what you want to achieve |
| 04:47.21 | simonlnu | it's called a prompt |
| 04:47.35 | Alligadi | aufs? i will try it |
| 04:47.38 | Alligadi | thank you |
| 04:48.00 | Alligadi | havent found commands for it yet but google is my friend :) |
| 04:48.48 | intruder | a corporation that big cannot be a "friend" |
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| 04:49.21 | Alligadi | :D |
| 04:50.00 | skilz | simonlnu: PS1? |
| 04:50.18 | intruder | skilz: ~/.bashrc |
| 04:50.27 | PrivateAlpha | dpkg is trying to install a package that enters an infinite loop, is there a way to abort it? |
| 04:50.28 | dpkg | PrivateAlpha: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 04:50.45 | PrivateAlpha | no not you dpkg :/ |
| 04:51.34 | intruder | haha |
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| 04:52.14 | intruder | PrivateAlpha: ctrl-c ? kill ? |
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| 04:54.36 | intruder | syntaxx: so what's up ? did it work ? |
| 04:54.47 | mazpe | ouch, i screwed the rules for snort.. is there anyways to reinstall the snort-rules-default ? |
| 04:55.06 | PrivateAlpha | intruder: its persistent I have already even restarted my pc to try and fix it |
| 04:55.16 | intruder | mazpe: just reinstall the package |
| 04:55.28 | intruder | PrivateAlpha: what is it |
| 04:55.30 | syntaxx | intruder, with the first line i posted earlier i didnt work.. will try to remove the filesystem { ext4 } |
| 04:55.47 | roniwiz | guys, for those, like me who are allways changing wallpapers, posted a collection of freshly made ones, on my profile at DebianArt.org. Would apreciate comments, critics, suggestions. |
| 04:55.50 | mazpe | intruder: the entire thing? |
| 04:56.12 | mazpe | it wont over write the snort.conf and other conf? or just save the .conf |
| 04:56.19 | roniwiz | link is http://www.debianart.org/cchost/?ccm=/people/roninwiz , enjoy it. |
| 04:56.21 | intruder | mazpe: or get the .deb in your /var/cache/apt/archives if its still there and open it |
| 04:56.44 | PrivateAlpha | intruder: its one of the packages that i was installing out of sid :< |
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| 04:58.46 | mazpe | intruder: still there... how do i open it? |
| 04:59.51 | Sanyii | Jó reggelt |
| 05:00.12 | furrywolf | how do I see what is installed with the "standard system" tasksel? |
| 05:00.14 | skilz | nick Skilz |
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| 05:00.18 | intruder | roniwiz: they're all incredibly low res and most of them look or are from 2008 |
| 05:00.40 | mazpe | what package includes ar? |
| 05:00.56 | intruder | mazpe: with file-roller |
| 05:01.36 | mazpe | wow... file roller installs a million and one packages |
| 05:01.54 | mazpe | just to extract snort-rules-default |
| 05:01.55 | intruder | use any archive manager you have |
| 05:02.38 | Alligadi | sudo mount -t aufs -o br:/mnt/mySystemAddon/ none / <- may that work? |
| 05:03.08 | Skilz | To unzip tar.gz it's tar -zxf, I'm guessing to create a tar.gz it's the oposite, tar +zxf? |
| 05:03.47 | Skilz | tar +zxf file1 fil2 file3 zipname.tar.gz? |
| 05:03.49 | intruder | Alligadi: you're the one who read the documentation :P if that's your guess, it *may* work |
| 05:04.46 | intruder | Alligadi: syntaxically speaking, it looks legit to me |
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| 05:05.15 | roniwiz | intruder: thx for the visit. What resolution do you suggest? posted those of my use, but the aim is allway to improve. |
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| 05:05.40 | furrywolf | or, to put my question another way, how badly broken will the system be if I don't use the "standard system" tasksel option? |
| 05:05.59 | Alligadi | documentation is incomplete |
| 05:06.52 | mazpe | whats the best way to debug apt-get db... i'm getting the following errors |
| 05:06.52 | mazpe | dpkg: error processing snort-mysql (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 05:06.53 | dpkg | mazpe: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 05:07.05 | syntaxx | intruder, hmm i think i have problem in my preseed since im using lvm.. there's a partman/device_remove_lvm boolean true so it will still remove it right? |
| 05:07.06 | intruder | roniwiz: a good standard these days is hd resolutions, at least 1920x1080, the bigger the better, because scaling down a picture gives better results than upscaling |
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| 05:07.55 | roniwiz | intruder: will work on it, thanks again. |
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| 05:08.43 | furrywolf | what's the absolute smallest, non-daemon MTA I can use? |
| 05:08.48 | intruder | roniwiz: this way you reach everyone, from a 1920x1080 picture you can scale down and crop out an old school 4:3 1024x786 wallpaper |
| 05:09.11 | mazpe | anyone can help me with this: http://pastebin.com/yncQVF4h |
| 05:09.39 | intruder | but if I strech you 1024x768 wallpaper on my 1680x1050 desktop, it WILL look like shit |
| 05:10.00 | mcurran | yeah, stop worrying |
| 05:10.36 | intruder | mazpe: that's just a consequence of your precedent problem |
| 05:10.49 | Alligadi | sudo mount -t aufs -o dirs=/mnt/sage/:/ none / -> mount: mounting none on / failed: No such device |
| 05:10.58 | mazpe | intruder: right |
| 05:11.09 | intruder | mazpe: it won't install because you deleted that file, backup your snort config and reinstall the main package |
| 05:11.22 | mazpe | i did.. |
| 05:11.31 | mazpe | i though snort-mysql was the main package |
| 05:12.03 | intruder | well it seems to rely on something else, probably snort-common or something like that |
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| 05:12.37 | mazpe | i think the dpkg is corrupted |
| 05:12.37 | intruder | mazpe: try that: dpkg -S /etc/snort/snort.conf |
| 05:12.50 | mazpe | snort-common |
| 05:13.02 | roniwiz | intruder: will make they bigger, thx. The only way to improve is be open to opinions. |
| 05:13.16 | intruder | wow :P |
| 05:13.19 | mazpe | intruder: http://pastebin.com/RyM5VQTD |
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| 05:13.50 | Skilz | anyone know of a htmlcolor code/wheel app? |
| 05:14.22 | intruder | Skilz: gcolor2 |
| 05:14.56 | mazpe | intruder: is there a way to rebuild the dpkg db? |
| 05:15.25 | intruder | the db is fine, you just messed up, just reinstall snort-common you'll be ok |
| 05:15.33 | intruder | aptitude reinstall snort-common |
| 05:15.43 | intruder | :) |
| 05:15.53 | mazpe | =) |
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| 05:16.40 | mazpe | intruder: input/output errors: http://pastebin.com/2Z5Q1M9e |
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| 05:17.12 | mazpe | broke it |
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| 05:18.07 | Alligadi | lol yay the system doesnt boot anymore now :D |
| 05:18.13 | Alligadi | i think i will go back to puppy |
| 05:18.20 | Alligadi | it does the / mounting by default |
| 05:18.36 | intruder | looks pretty bad, anything special when you type dmesg ? |
| 05:18.36 | PrivateAlpha | lol.. |
| 05:18.50 | intruder | Alligadi: why don't you just look up what puppy does |
| 05:19.23 | Alligadi | because finding the correct script, and then finding the right position, is hopeless in puppy :D |
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| 05:20.44 | intruder | mazpe: try just aptitude -f install |
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| 05:23.01 | SatanHimself | wants /sbin/init to do bad things. |
| 05:23.45 | jokar | o/ all |
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| 05:24.28 | intruder | SatanHimself: lol why? |
| 05:24.44 | jokar | i mount my partition in fstab when my partitions mounted Linux show me name of my partition with another labels,i want change my label like C,D |
| 05:24.53 | SatanHimself | wants a billion Debian Sarge CDs burned, and then fed to Americans. |
| 05:24.59 | jokar | what should i do? |
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| 05:25.23 | intruder | SatanHimself: Sarge would survive the fire |
| 05:25.25 | SatanHimself | intruder: Because I want /sbin/init that uses sqlite |
| 05:25.27 | jokar | for changin partition for permanet what do i do? |
| 05:25.40 | SatanHimself | intruder: True |
| 05:25.46 | intruder | SatanHimself: how is that possible, or even useful ? |
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| 05:26.42 | intruder | jokar: a label is not an equivalent to a windows "driver letter" |
| 05:26.47 | intruder | jokar: a mount point is |
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| 05:27.10 | jokar | yeah i know but for change it for permanet what do i do? |
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| 05:29.51 | Skilz | To unzip tar.gz it's tar -zxf, I'm guessing to create a tar.gz it's the oposite, tar +zxf? |
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| 05:29.56 | assss | hi |
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| 05:30.10 | valdyn_ | Skilz: no |
| 05:30.25 | Skilz | hmm |
| 05:30.29 | Skilz | What would it be? |
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| 05:30.36 | Skilz | im can't figure it in the man |
| 05:31.02 | valdyn_ | Skilz: the worde "create" is literally in the manpage? |
| 05:31.03 | fowl | Skilz: install atool, then just do aunpack |
| 05:31.06 | fowl | :) |
| 05:31.47 | valdyn_ | Skilz: the - is only a seperator denoting a switch |
| 05:32.13 | Skilz | fowl: I'm trying to create a tar.gz not expand one. |
| 05:33.10 | Alligadi | sudo mount -o remount,append: /mnt/sage/ / |
| 05:33.13 | Alligadi | hm |
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| 05:33.20 | Alligadi | that isn working too |
| 05:33.28 | Alligadi | mount: mounting /mnt/sage/ on / failed: Invalid argument |
| 05:33.40 | dwfreed | How do I find packages that have been installed from unstable in aptitude? (Synaptic and other graphical clients are out of the question) |
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| 05:34.26 | dwfreed | Alligadi: turn the colon to an equals sign and remove the space after it |
| 05:34.52 | ProG[Work] | ERROR: Module userdir does not exist! even after reinstalling apache on my etch any sugestions ? |
| 05:36.10 | fowl | Skilz: atool provides apack, you just specify tar.gz and you're good |
| 05:36.26 | Alligadi | oh append overwrites it too :-/ |
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| 05:36.33 | Alligadi | isnt unioned then too |
| 05:36.49 | Alligadi | hm i will try in the afternoon again maybe, thank you for you help, bye |
| 05:36.56 | Alligadi | *your |
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| 05:58.45 | syntaxx | intruder, wah.. i cannot make it to work hehe.. |
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| 06:06.08 | intruder | syntaxx: is the lvm necessary ? |
| 06:06.20 | intruder | you tried without it I suppose ? |
| 06:06.52 | syntaxx | intruder, lvm is one of the requirements though.. no i havent' tried it yet |
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| 06:09.54 | intruder | just to prove he's not guilty |
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| 06:12.48 | intruder | syntaxx: out of curiosity, are you doing like, lb clean, lb build |
| 06:13.03 | syntaxx | intruder, lb? |
| 06:13.30 | intruder | ..what will you use this preseed file on ? |
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| 06:13.49 | intruder | on a remote host from a standard netinstall cd ? |
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| 06:14.06 | intruder | *fetched by a netinstall cd |
| 06:14.07 | lynx_- | Is anyone here familiar with the program httpripper |
| 06:14.08 | syntaxx | intruder, office requirements.. installing on workstation |
| 06:14.22 | Sean-Der | Does anyone use Sonata as their MPD client? If so is 'sonata previous' the correct syntax for some reason it's not working 'sonata info' does |
| 06:15.05 | intruder | Sean-Der: isnt Sonata a graphical program ? |
| 06:15.33 | Sean-Der | intruder: Yes but has cli arguments to allow keyboard bindings |
| 06:15.44 | intruder | syntaxx: but how are you using your preseed.cfg ? |
| 06:16.04 | Sean-Der | I don't want to file a bug report if I am doing something stupid ha |
| 06:16.20 | syntaxx | intruder, pxebooting |
| 06:16.36 | syntaxx | intruder, yes netinstall cd |
| 06:16.44 | lynx_- | Anyone use http://29a.ch/httpripper/ ? |
| 06:17.58 | lynx_- | hello? |
| 06:18.40 | intruder | lynx_-: we're not ignoring you, we don't know what you're talking about :) |
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| 06:19.09 | intruder | probably because it is not debian related |
| 06:19.24 | lynx_- | then where do I ask |
| 06:19.31 | lynx_- | actually it is sorta debian related |
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| 06:19.47 | intruder | whats the question |
| 06:20.18 | lynx_- | I'm trying to run a program named httpripper while using dialup |
| 06:20.25 | lynx_- | it won't work, it only works with a DSL connection |
| 06:20.34 | lynx_- | or other network ethernet |
| 06:20.48 | intruder | although you can access the internet through other programs ? |
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| 06:21.05 | roniwiz | night everyone see u tomorrow |
| 06:21.15 | intruder | roniwiz: cya |
| 06:21.21 | lynx_- | I don't see why it shouldn't, what it does is acts as a proxy and sets gnome's default proxy to localhost at 8080, then it sifts through all the files that your browser accesses through that proxy |
| 06:21.35 | lynx_- | sort of like jdownloader |
| 06:21.49 | lynx_- | Anyway, you can save files from your cache with it. |
| 06:22.08 | lynx_- | but it won't work whatsoever with wvdial |
| 06:22.58 | intruder | this beast must have a configuration file which specify interfaces |
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| 06:25.11 | intruder | lynx_-: find the config files, search for eth[0-9] replace it with ppp0, save & restart the service |
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| 06:27.03 | intruder | im sure it's something like that |
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| 06:29.05 | intruder | lynx_-: so, it works ? |
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| 06:41.45 | hotwings | one thing thats annoying me to no end is the massive amount of unneeded dependencies.. is there any way other than to manually remove the stuff by hand from debian/control? if i compile something with --disable-vorbis for example, then vorbis shouldnt be a damned dependency |
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| 06:42.59 | qkit | strange..i just installer the debian 6 and i getting this error when i run apt-get update |
| 06:43.00 | qkit | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 407 Unauthorized |
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| 06:48.17 | lynx_- | but it won't work whatsoever with wvdial |
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| 06:49.41 | nickSwe | Is it possible to install sun-java6-jre for Debian on ARM? I have googled for a while, but everything just points to using the open source alternative openjdk-6-jre-headless. Any suggestions?? |
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| 06:55.16 | nickSwe | No action here today? |
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| 07:02.44 | Lahnosh | when my laptop comes back from suspension / hibernation not sent vga signal, so i cannot start session again and the only way to do it is shutting down the computer because nothing works. |
| 07:03.31 | qkit | hmm..why when i run apt-get update i getting all this error? Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources.gz 407 Unauthorized |
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| 07:03.54 | qkit | some i getting this Ign http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release.gpg does it mean the proxy giving the problem/ |
| 07:03.55 | qkit | ? |
| 07:04.25 | General_Jung | I still getting no connection |
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| 07:05.33 | General_Jung | are the linux-source via aptitude already patched by debian ? |
| 07:05.41 | General_Jung | onyl security patches right ? |
| 07:08.30 | Guest68906 | right just poke I am will not sleep and give a few more hours |
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| 07:11.04 | jelly-home | nickSwe: oracle seems to have some "Java SE for Embedded" builds for arm but I don't know if the licensing makes it redistributable. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/embedded-jsp-135769.html |
| 07:12.51 | nickSwe | jelly-home, thanks! |
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| 07:14.11 | Delf | What is going on here, the log is being pumped with these lines.. http://paste.debian.net/125718/ |
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| 07:14.24 | Delf | It's a fresh Debian Squeeze amd64. Running tinc 1.0.16 and firestarter as firewall manager. |
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| 07:17.39 | jelly-home | Delf: pumped? There's a line every 30 seconds |
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| 07:18.10 | jelly-home | Delf: I'd google for udp 57621 |
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| 07:21.03 | Delf | jelly-home: You referring to this? http://www.speedguide.net/port.php?port=57621&print=friendly |
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| 07:21.54 | Paul__ | Hey evryone, did someone know how to fix a "open proxy vuln", to didn t accept HTTP CONNECT request |
| 07:21.57 | jelly-home | Delf: that's not the result I'd click first |
| 07:22.36 | Delf | jelly-home: What the result you'd check first? |
| 07:23.03 | Lahnosh | When my laptop comes back from suspension / hibernation not sent vga signal, so i cannot start session again and the only way to do it is shutting down the computer because nothing works. |
| 07:23.04 | Lahnosh | But, if the monitor is not connected to vga, all work correctly. |
| 07:23.04 | Lahnosh | I will appreciate any suggestions |
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| 07:23.50 | jelly-home | Delf: some other, that looked like pointing to an actual source of that traffic. Maybe a P2P application or similar |
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| 07:24.19 | nickSwe | I currently have glibc 2.11.2, but need to upgrade to at least v2.9 before I can use JavaSE for Embedded on my armel server... Is there a command like "apt-get" or something to update to latest version? |
| 07:24.25 | Delf | jelly-home: I'm not using any p2p apps. |
| 07:24.45 | jelly-home | Delf: sometimes is the SECOND or third result that's useful |
| 07:25.48 | Delf | jelly-home: I'm not using spotify either. |
| 07:27.00 | jelly-home | Delf: someone or something else on the network segment your bridge is configured on, perhaps |
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| 07:28.42 | Delf | jelly-home: Maybe. I just added port 57621 to firestarters "Do not log.." setting ;) |
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| 07:30.58 | jelly-home | Delf: or ask 10.0.0.81 what they're running |
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| 07:31.43 | Delf | Aug 10 09:30:20 GXT3 kernel: [36911.615059] Inbound IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:08:ae:10:1c:c0:08:00 SRC=87.96.171.1 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=337 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=35229 PROTO=UDP SPT=67 DPT=68 LEN=317 |
| 07:31.58 | Delf | Or my isp's dhcp server? |
| 07:32.04 | Delf | Why would it log this? |
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| 07:32.50 | jelly-home | well it looks like your bridge is apparently set up to log all broadcast traffic it passes thru from one side to the other |
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| 07:34.04 | Delf | How do I prevent logging? |
| 07:34.23 | jelly-home | that I have no idea... how did you set it up |
| 07:34.59 | Delf | I haven't intentionally chosen to log everything. I just installed "firestarter, bridge-utils and tinc" |
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| 07:35.57 | jelly-home | must be a silly default somewhere then; sorry, I have no idea |
| 07:36.24 | Delf | I'm going nuts! |
| 07:36.40 | Delf | jelly-home: No sorries, thanks anyways :) |
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| 07:39.37 | Delf | I added *.*.*.* as a host to not log for. |
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| 07:42.43 | Skilz | Anyone know of software to send recieve sms from a usb sim dongle? |
| 07:42.55 | Skilz | I had one before, can't remember the name |
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| 07:44.47 | fowl | =) |
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| 07:47.52 | balboah | What's the proper debian way to add another kernel module not included by the deb package? |
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| 07:49.12 | cahoot | in some cases module-assistant |
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| 07:49.18 | cahoot | !m-a |
| 07:49.18 | dpkg | module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
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| 07:53.12 | balboah | I'll try that out thanks |
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| 07:55.06 | balboah | cahoot: and in the other cases? =) |
| 07:55.43 | balboah | I want to re-enable CRYPTO_AES_NI_INTEL, it seems disabled because it crashes hardware I don't have |
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| 07:58.17 | balboah | do you need to reinstall libc and stuff even if you keep linux 2.6.x? I mean if I try to install a package with 2.6.39 |
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| 07:58.48 | balboah | well, that won't make it easier either since I still need to customize some other options then |
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| 08:01.21 | nickSwe | does anyone have experience of java6 embedded running on armel debian? |
| 08:01.44 | wols_ | anyone |
| 08:01.49 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 08:01.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 08:08.19 | Dutchy | If you install openssl, where is the default certificate located? Ever since I have a new server my apache sends the wrong certificate |
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| 08:09.15 | wols_ | opensl has no "default"cert afaik but each program (ssh, apache, etc) has its own place |
| 08:09.33 | wols_ | look in your apache config, it should point you to the cert used |
| 08:09.42 | joltcan | Dutchy: grep -ir ssl /etc/apache2/* maybe? |
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| 08:09.55 | Dutchy | I'll have a look |
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| 08:11.14 | Dutchy | ok this is weird |
| 08:11.24 | Dutchy | there's a default-ssl file in sites-enabled |
| 08:11.29 | Dutchy | but I can't see it in ls |
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| 08:12.32 | Dutchy | what could cause this? I'll paste it |
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| 08:15.08 | Dutchy | http://pastebin.com/a7SUg5VQ |
| 08:15.24 | Dutchy | FUCK |
| 08:15.26 | Dutchy | pebkac |
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| 08:16.18 | AlbSirTux | hi everyone apt-get install apache2 does not install all modules that come with it on lenny is there a way to force install all modules |
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| 08:16.59 | jargon- | how come lsb_release -a in wheezy shows squeeze? |
| 08:17.00 | wols_ | AlbSirTux: apt-cache search apache |grep od-apache install all this |
| 08:17.24 | wols_ | jargon-: have <ou dist-upgrade |
| 08:17.46 | jargon- | wols_: i did a network installation,though. do i still need to dist-ugrade? |
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| 08:19.08 | Compgenius999 | guys, is there any way to install debian from another distro? similar to gentoo's stage3 install or arch's install from existing linux? |
| 08:20.03 | ansgar | Compgenius999: debootstrap and finish the setup by hand. |
| 08:20.11 | AlbSirTux | wols_: that grep returns nothing | grep "mod-" returns a lot :P |
| 08:20.17 | jargon- | wols_: also,aptitude upgrade/dist-upgrade are showing 0 0 0 0 |
| 08:20.21 | Skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.52 | Skilz | grr |
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| 08:22.44 | dspace | AlbSirTux: Do you really need to install *all* Apache modules? |
| 08:22.51 | dspace | Seems like a lot of overhead |
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| 08:23.43 | AlbSirTux | dspace: nah just userdir |
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| 08:31.11 | vampi-the-frog | hey guys. mysql-query-browser is discontinued by its original programmers, but there are still some bugs in it. If I provide patches for those bugs, can they be included in debian? |
| 08:31.22 | vampi-the-frog | it's GPL btw |
| 08:31.57 | Skilz | Anyone know of software to send recieve sms from a usb sim dongle? |
| 08:33.25 | joltcan | vampi-the-frog: Try and contact Maintainer: Adam Majer <adamm@zombino.com> |
| 08:33.34 | vampi-the-frog | ok will do |
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| 08:33.44 | vampi-the-frog | thanks |
| 08:33.46 | joltcan | vampi-the-frog: you can always see whom is the maintainer by doing aptitude show <packagename> |
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| 08:34.18 | vampi-the-frog | ty |
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| 08:35.36 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: A good option is certainly to file bugs and include the patches |
| 08:36.01 | vampi-the-frog | yeah that's probably what i'll do |
| 08:36.14 | vampi-the-frog | there's a crash, a non-working button, and a dialog that gets too big |
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| 08:38.51 | vampi-the-frog | it looks like i can only report bugs for unstable, is this correct? |
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| 08:40.51 | nickSwe | How do I add a directory to my $PATH variable so that it is valid for all users? I need to add java bin directory to my $PATH variable for all users, so everyone can run "java" command |
| 08:40.55 | petern_ | hmm, why is mono's certmgr in the package mono-devel? |
| 08:41.17 | petern_ | it doesn't seem to be a development tool, and to install it pulls in 90MB of unnecessary pacakges |
| 08:41.40 | vampi-the-frog | nickSwe: perhaps in /etc/bashrc or /etc/profile |
| 08:41.46 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: Yes, you report bugs against the newest version of the package. Are the bugs not found in that version? |
| 08:41.48 | vampi-the-frog | nickSwe: or /etc/profile.d, i dunno |
| 08:42.21 | vampi-the-frog | babilen: i don't know yet. i was using the stable precompiled version. i'll have to see if the bugs are still in the new version |
| 08:42.33 | vampi-the-frog | btw, getting the source means getting the latest version? |
| 08:43.02 | babilen | ,versions mysql-query-browser |
| 08:43.02 | judd | Package mysql-query-browser on i386 -- lenny: 5.0r12-1; squeeze: 5.0r14+openSUSE-2.1; sid: 5.0r14+openSUSE-2.2; wheezy: 5.0r14+openSUSE-2.2 |
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| 08:43.49 | vampi-the-frog | oh so it's the same version from squeeze to wheezy |
| 08:43.58 | vampi-the-frog | so no worries |
| 08:44.15 | vampi-the-frog | it's compiling right now. how do i install it and keep debug symbols? |
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| 08:44.37 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: It does not look as if the bugs were fixed in the -2 version. And you get the source from the the version you are running unless you have added sid/wheezy sources. |
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| 08:45.00 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: Does it build a -dbg package? |
| 08:45.18 | vampi-the-frog | i am running squeeze and mysql-query-browser is the same version as in sid and wheezy |
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| 08:45.45 | vampi-the-frog | it's still compiling, i'll tell you when it finishes (?) isn't there a command to build a dbg package instead? |
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| 08:47.08 | vampi-the-frog | hm is it stupid that i apt-get remove'd mysql-query-browser while it's still building? :o |
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| 08:48.50 | wols_ | vampi-the-frog: no. different files |
| 08:49.08 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: No, those need specific compilation option that have to be specifically supported. Please see http://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage or read up on the nostrip DEB-BUILD-OPTION |
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| 08:49.45 | vampi-the-frog | ty |
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| 08:50.45 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: If the packaging is not broken you should be able to just set DEB-BUILD-OPTIONS="nostrip" -- but I find the method outlined in DebugPackages to be more elegant. |
| 08:50.56 | vampi-the-frog | *still reading* |
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| 08:51.35 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: s/-/_/ though ;) |
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| 08:53.36 | nickSwe | after I have added PATH=$PATH:/new/location/ to my /etc/environment, do I need to run any command to update the PATH variable, because /new/location/ is not included when I do "echo $PATH" |
| 08:53.50 | StucKman | some packages emule support for file.conf.d, which basically concat all the files within that dir into file.conf. now the question is: is there a specific tool for this support? I mean, something already in debian that treats this things in a consisten way? |
| 08:53.54 | vampi-the-frog | nickSwe: log out then log in |
| 08:54.10 | vampi-the-frog | nickSwe: or just . /etc/environment |
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| 08:54.37 | StucKman | nickSwe: logging out and back in will affect your whole session |
| 08:55.07 | nickSwe | hmm I logged out and in again... and now the only thing in my $PATH is /my/new/location |
| 08:55.07 | StucKman | nickSwe: heeh |
| 08:55.20 | nickSwe | or actually it is "$PATH:/home/nick/java/" |
| 08:55.39 | nickSwe | doh! |
| 08:55.39 | StucKman | it's allways "export PATH=/my/new/path:$PATH" |
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| 08:55.48 | vampi-the-frog | I'm afraid this is a bit too technical for me "Add a binary package stanza to debian/control"... |
| 08:56.23 | nickSwe | now not either the "dir" command can be used :O |
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| 08:56.31 | nickSwe | since the PATH is "incorrect" |
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| 08:56.58 | StucKman | nickSwe: export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin |
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| 08:57.49 | nickSwe | StucKman, phwew! thanks :) |
| 08:58.03 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: ok, then try DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" $command_to_build -- but that is not necessarily supported by all packages. You need to add another (more or less copy of the original) stanza for the mysql-query-browser-dbg pacakge to debian/control to tell the build system that you are building that package. |
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| 08:58.24 | GreenDance | Hi |
| 08:58.25 | vampi-the-frog | i found the folder and file |
| 08:58.30 | vampi-the-frog | and i'm editing it now thx |
| 08:58.49 | PrivateAlpha | hey i have a problem, dpkg is trying to install a package that enters an infinite loop, is there a way to abort it? |
| 08:58.51 | GreenDance | does anyone know why the system doesn't autoclean it's memory cache? |
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| 08:59.22 | wols_ | PrivateAlpha: kill the process? |
| 08:59.45 | wols_ | GreenDance: elaborate |
| 08:59.55 | PrivateAlpha | wols_: that doesnt work |
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| 09:00.19 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 09:00.19 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 09:00.23 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: so you would basically copy thr stanza for mysql-query-browser and add -dbg to the package name. Once done you can make the adjustments to debian/rules to actually build the package. |
| 09:00.32 | wols_ | if you kill dpkg, its children are automatically killed as well |
| 09:00.33 | PrivateAlpha | the problem seems to persist after restarts |
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| 09:01.04 | wols_ | !tell PrivateAlpha about bat |
| 09:01.21 | nickSwe | so now I have in /etc/environment: export PATH=$PATH:/home/java/ but when I do "echo $PATH" it is written out as "$PATH:/home/java".... so the var $PATH seem to be printed out as var name, but not as var contents... why is that? |
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| 09:01.59 | PrivateAlpha | wols_: slow down 0_0 i was about to give you the output |
| 09:02.14 | StucKman | nickSwe: try export PATH=${PATH}:/home/java |
| 09:02.49 | PrivateAlpha | Here: this shows what seems to be the infinite loop |
| 09:02.50 | PrivateAlpha | http://i.imgur.com/cyKIv.png |
| 09:02.59 | wols_ | nickSwe: cause you are creating $PATH I think. doesn't exist before |
| 09:03.06 | vampi-the-frog | babilen: ok, I edited both debian/control and debian/rules, and now I just run apt-get -b source /.../ ? |
| 09:03.10 | nkuttler | screenshots with text content ftw |
| 09:03.11 | babilen | nickSwe: You can also set that in ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile on a per-user basis -- But I am intrigued, what is in /home/java? |
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| 09:03.19 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: exactly |
| 09:03.23 | wols_ | nkuttler: I won't go there either |
| 09:03.24 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: No! |
| 09:03.26 | vampi-the-frog | :D |
| 09:03.29 | vampi-the-frog | cause taht failed |
| 09:03.31 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: Sorry :) |
| 09:03.47 | PrivateAlpha | i would copy and paste it but it refuses to select it :/ |
| 09:03.57 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: Try: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us |
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| 09:04.04 | nickSwe | StucKman, did not work... now it gave me "${PATH}...." instead :P |
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| 09:04.21 | vampi-the-frog | babilen: inside the unpacked directory? |
| 09:04.23 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: In the package directory (not /debian) |
| 09:04.29 | jsoft | How do I ensure that whatever happens, whenever some java dependancy is required, it does _not_ install openjdk or any other non sun version of java? |
| 09:04.30 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: ack |
| 09:04.30 | vampi-the-frog | ty |
| 09:04.44 | nickSwe | babilen, I am just trying at the moment... nothing is in /home/java... What I am trying to do is to make my java embedded bin folder available in $PATH, so that all users can run java... |
| 09:04.55 | wols_ | !tell jsoft about equivs |
| 09:05.58 | babilen | nickSwe: Why don't you just install java from Debian? |
| 09:06.03 | wols_ | nickSwe: check if $PATH actually exists before you set it and act accordingly |
| 09:06.11 | wols_ | babilen: too easy |
| 09:06.12 | nickSwe | babilen, it is not available for armel CPU's... |
| 09:06.35 | vampi-the-frog | babilen: hm well it's compiling now, I'll tell you what happens when it's done. thanks so far |
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| 09:07.00 | jargon- | how come rsync doesn't come default installed? anybody know? |
| 09:07.02 | babilen | nickSwe: gcj is -- oracle's and openjdk are not usable on armel. |
| 09:07.09 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: marvellous :) |
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| 09:07.13 | StucKman | jargon-: is not always needed |
| 09:07.28 | jargon- | StucKman: hmm |
| 09:07.39 | jargon- | guess my use case is somewhat rare |
| 09:08.03 | nickSwe | babilen: I ran the openjdk-headless earlier, but the performance was really poor... so now I downloaded a tarball of Sun/Oracle Java6 SE Embedded, and will try that instead to see if the performance will be better. |
| 09:08.19 | StucKman | jargon-: or not, but being somawhat common doesn´t mean it´s really common |
| 09:08.21 | babilen | nickSwe: Err, total brain-fart there. openjdk-6-armel *is* available for armel. I don't understand your problem. |
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| 09:08.42 | StucKman | most probably rsync has a big popcon value |
| 09:08.45 | jargon- | StucKman: i guess so. it's almost always the first tool i use on a fresh installation |
| 09:08.46 | babilen | ,versions sun-java6-jdk --arch armel |
| 09:08.47 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sun-java6-jdk' was found in armel. |
| 09:09.10 | babilen | nickSwe: I doubt that oracle's java gives you better results. |
| 09:09.14 | nickSwe | babilen, as I told you, openjdk gave really poor performance, with a cpu load of almost 100% while running a media server to stream mp3 (subsonic) |
| 09:09.26 | nickSwe | babilen, well its worth a try at least :) |
| 09:09.57 | babilen | sure |
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| 09:10.00 | vampi-the-frog | jargon-: so just type apt-get install rsync && rsync ...params... |
| 09:10.02 | vampi-the-frog | :D |
| 09:10.03 | nickSwe | just have to figure out how to make the "java" file executable in PATH so that the media server can use java |
| 09:10.30 | wols_ | symlink for java in /usr/bin? |
| 09:10.49 | jargon- | vampi-the-frog: i do that. *after* i try to rsync and realize it's not there. :P |
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| 09:10.59 | vampi-the-frog | jargon-: well now you know |
| 09:11.10 | nickSwe | wols_, so that would work you think? (i am kind of new to linux on serverside) |
| 09:11.44 | babilen | wols_: /usr/local/bin mayhaps? |
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| 09:14.30 | wols_ | babilen: ok. agreed |
| 09:14.51 | wols_ | nickSwe: listen to babilen |
| 09:14.52 | Eval_Sanchez | well, anon is after facebook now |
| 09:14.57 | Eval_Sanchez | win! |
| 09:15.37 | nickSwe | whats the reason to have it in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin ? any particular reasons? |
| 09:15.49 | vampi-the-frog | babilen: ok so it created mysql-query-browser-dbg_5.0r14+openSUSE-2.1_i386.deb but if i tap enter on it in mc, there are only some files in /usr/share/doc/mysql-query-browser-dbg :( |
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| 09:16.08 | wols_ | cause it's "local" and not installed from the distro/OS |
| 09:16.22 | nickSwe | aah I see... |
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| 09:16.34 | cace | anybody familiar with ngrep? i cant seem to increase the size of the packages that are outputed so the content is truncated, anybody know how to solve that? |
| 09:16.42 | wols_ | it's aprivate binary basically. and distro can still install stuff to /usr/bin, but your local binary takes precedence |
| 09:16.47 | cace | wols_: long time no see :) |
| 09:17.06 | nickSwe | wols_, and are there any disadvantages to use symlinks instead of having the executable in PATH? will it affect performance of Java? |
| 09:17.25 | wols_ | cafaro: strange new nicks should be avoided... |
| 09:17.28 | vampi-the-frog | Here are my modified files |
| 09:17.29 | vampi-the-frog | http://pastebin.com/z2bsGmWJ |
| 09:18.04 | wols_ | cafaro: sorry. this other guy there changes nicks faster than underwear |
| 09:18.25 | aspWork | wols_: np, this is asperon just at work :) |
| 09:18.36 | wols_ | nickSwe: no disadvantages |
| 09:18.40 | vampi-the-frog | babilen: see paste above ^ |
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| 09:20.01 | nickSwe | wols_, okay a symlink is created and I can now run "java -version" without any problem... but Subsonic media server says the following "/usr/bin/subsonic: 123: java: not found"... Crap! Even more googling *yawn* |
| 09:20.07 | vampi-the-frog | i gotta go grab a sammich brb |
| 09:20.56 | wols_ | nickSwe: JAVA_HOME maybe? |
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| 09:21.21 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: yeah, install both packages -- I have to run now, sorry |
| 09:21.26 | nickSwe | wols_, yeah that can be it! how do I set it? |
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| 09:21.53 | wols_ | nickSwe: take a wild guess :P |
| 09:22.08 | nickSwe | JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/bin ?? |
| 09:22.38 | wols_ | I think /usr/local but not toally sure |
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| 09:22.45 | wols_ | and I don't know this subsonic thing enough |
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| 09:25.05 | nickSwe | wols_, okay thank you... will have to google on this.. setting JAVA_HOME did not do it.. |
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| 09:26.29 | Skilz | Anyone know of software to send recieve sms from a huawei usb sim dongle |
| 09:27.02 | wols_ | if it worked with debian java in the right place but not with yours somewhere else, my guess is it's your java install path |
| 09:27.47 | themill | nickSwe: what particular jre are you trying to get working here? |
| 09:28.12 | nickSwe | themill, it is Java6 SE embedded headless for armel v5 cpu |
| 09:28.19 | wols_ | sun jre for armel |
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| 09:30.51 | nickSwe | wols_, I found some info about subsonic. people have added "JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java/ejre1.6.0_21/bin/java" in the subsonic file itself... will try that and hope it works :) |
| 09:31.20 | wols_ | nickSwe: you need your actually installed path btw |
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| 09:31.46 | themill | ,info java-package --release lenny |
| 09:31.48 | judd | Package java-package (contrib/misc, optional) in lenny/i386: utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages. Version: 0.42; Size: 26.0k; Installed: 424k |
| 09:32.01 | themill | I wonder if that would help here... (not in squeeze) |
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| 09:39.01 | Ragnar | in /etc/sysctrl.conf |
| 09:39.05 | Ragnar | there is this option |
| 09:39.07 | Ragnar | # Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv4 |
| 09:39.08 | Ragnar | net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 09:39.14 | Ragnar | uhm, what does it exactly do? |
| 09:39.25 | themill | it disables your enter key |
| 09:39.31 | Ragnar | no |
| 09:39.36 | vampi-the-frog | puts packets in your packets, dawg |
| 09:39.38 | Ragnar | can that |
| 09:39.40 | Ragnar | by itself |
| 09:39.46 | Ragnar | forward packets between networks |
| 09:39.49 | themill | !enter |
| 09:39.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:39.53 | brah | Ragnar: No. |
| 09:39.55 | Ragnar | without a set of iptables rules, etc? |
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| 09:40.05 | vampi-the-frog | !exit |
| 09:40.05 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 09:40.23 | brah | Ragnar: IP forwarding is like shooting packets into outer space. You will hardly get a response. |
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| 09:40.56 | Ragnar | so there is a need for a firewall ruleset |
| 09:41.13 | Ragnar | (and sorry for the short lines, it will not happen again) |
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| 09:41.59 | brah | Ragnar: The ruleset depends on the particular case. Ever heard of NAT? Yeah, it's usually that. |
| 09:42.09 | likevinyl | hi guys, |
| 09:42.17 | likevinyl | hola todos :) |
| 09:42.27 | Ragnar | NAT yes |
| 09:42.44 | Ragnar | sorry, I ment NAT all along. |
| 09:42.57 | obgr_seneca | Hi, I'm looking for some book about building deb packages for a paper I have to write |
| 09:42.59 | obgr_seneca | The university wants to have printed literature, so I can't use one of the many pages about it |
| 09:43.02 | Ragnar | is there anything else but iptables that handles NAT in debian? |
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| 09:43.24 | wols_ | Ragnar: it's iptables for all linux distros that does |
| 09:43.38 | petemc | Ragnar: you can use the ip command to do nat |
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| 09:44.07 | wols_ | petemc: does ip do netfilter rules too now? |
| 09:44.10 | xingu | Ragnar: http://linux-ip.net/html/nat-stateless.html |
| 09:44.17 | themill | obgr_seneca: I doubt you'll find much in printed form on that front (and anything you do find is probably quite out of date compared to more modern approaches to packaging). But try http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 09:44.29 | brah | Ragnar: Unless time is of the essence, you better man up and read up on iptables. The last firewall implementation you'll ever need. |
| 09:44.50 | petemc | wols_: im not sure what does the actual routing, just know it can be configured with ip |
| 09:44.50 | xingu | brah: ... unless you want deterministic jitter guarantees ;) |
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| 09:45.21 | obgr_seneca | themill: Thanks, I already found that page, but I couldn't find anything about package building |
| 09:45.40 | obgr_seneca | My professor will just have to live with online literature... |
| 09:45.57 | Ragnar | brah: nods |
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| 09:46.22 | themill | obgr_seneca: you could ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net as they might have some suggestions too (but I think you'll get the same response) |
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| 09:46.39 | brah | xingu: Let me google that. English is not my first language. |
| 09:46.41 | obgr_seneca | themill: Thanks again, will do |
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| 09:47.03 | nickSwe | wow what a difference of performance! Suns Java SE Embedded is just so much faster than the openjdk when running on a armel! |
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| 09:47.41 | brah | xingu: Care to send me a link which explains that? |
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| 09:48.21 | xingu | brah: can't think of any off the top of my head; the point is that the difference between best and worst-case inter-packet delay for linux routing is wide enough to stampede rhino through. |
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| 09:50.44 | brah | Wheezy apparently got the 3.0 kernel today. Is that magic '200 lines fix that does wonders' implemented? The one that made some X operations blazing fast. |
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| 09:51.37 | brah | Perhaps it's old news, but I didn't hear any more of that. |
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| 09:54.40 | themill | !autogroup |
| 09:54.40 | dpkg | Automatic process grouping (aka "patch that does wonders") modifies the process scheduler to group all processes with the same session ID as a single scheduling entity. Debian Linux kernel images are built with SCHED_AUTOGROUP since linux-2.6 2.6.38-1, but it is not enabled by default; use the <sysctl> kernel.sched_autogroup_enabled=1 to enable. http://bit.ly/gH4Pxr |
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| 09:56.42 | brah | Downsides? |
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| 10:08.39 | jelly | brah: try it and see if it makes things better or worse for you |
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| 10:09.19 | vampi-the-frog | 3.0??? |
| 10:09.34 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 10:09.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 10:16.05 | Skilz | How would I add a user to a group, say for example useradd -G dialout skilz doesnt work |
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| 10:16.51 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 10:17.49 | lancelot_of | i've builded new git X intel driver from http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html, now how to use it? |
| 10:18.05 | lancelot_of | in wheezy there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file anymore... |
| 10:18.22 | Skilz | $ grep dialout /etc/group |
| 10:18.23 | Skilz | dialout:x:20:smsd |
| 10:18.34 | Skilz | $ sudo useradd -G dialout:x:20:smsd skilz |
| 10:18.34 | Skilz | useradd: group 'dialout:x:20:smsd' does not exist |
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| 10:18.48 | Skilz | O_o |
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| 10:19.18 | brah | :| |
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| 10:20.06 | brah | Skilz: dialout is the group name. |
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| 10:21.40 | wolfpython | brah: it's should be useradd -G dialout skilz, right? |
| 10:21.50 | brah | No. |
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| 10:21.58 | brah | Technically, 'adduser' is 'the debian way' |
| 10:22.03 | lancelot_of | any suggestion for me? |
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| 10:22.51 | brah | wolfpython: But then you'd have to manually create the home, give it the permissions and then some. |
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| 10:23.04 | brah | adduser is lazy friendly. |
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| 10:24.10 | wolfpython | brah: yeah, I often use adduser , but In Skilz's case, useradd can work ,I think, |
| 10:24.18 | brah | Yeah, I was about to type that. |
| 10:24.35 | brah | Skilz: adduser skilz dialout |
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| 10:37.09 | lancelot_of | i've builded new git X intel driver from http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html, now how to use it? in wheezy there's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf file anymore... |
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| 11:12.14 | themill | !zh |
| 11:12.14 | dpkg | Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo! |
| 11:13.04 | yjf | thanks |
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| 11:20.32 | jokar | hi all |
| 11:20.32 | jetscreamer | !ch |
| 11:20.33 | dpkg | [ch] Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: http://debian.ch/ which lives in #debian.ch . See also #linux.ch on Freenode. |
| 11:20.49 | jokar | can i change label a partition without formating it |
| 11:20.56 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 11:21.15 | jetscreamer | yif what language is that |
| 11:21.18 | jetscreamer | !zh |
| 11:21.18 | dpkg | Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo! |
| 11:21.35 | Virtualmix | jokar, you can do that with Gparted |
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| 11:21.49 | jetscreamer | i think there's a 'label' but i forget, also |
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| 11:22.06 | Virtualmix | Hi there! I'm having troubles to install Blender on Wheezy. Apt is complaining about the dependencies with libavdevice52... I have debian multimedia repo enabled, maybe that's why? |
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| 11:23.02 | Virtualmix | any help much appreciated :) |
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| 11:24.02 | themill | Virtualmix: yes. that would be exactly why. You need to get blender and the libav* libraries (and some of their dependencies) either all from debian or all from debian-multimedia. |
| 11:24.16 | jetscreamer | well you could test by commenting out the dmm source and do aptitude update then try, uncomment and update again if it 'doesn't work' ... then if you find that's the problem, investigate pinning |
| 11:24.47 | jetscreamer | oh mill answered nvm |
| 11:25.07 | Virtualmix | jetscreamer, thank you, I already tried that without success |
| 11:25.11 | jetscreamer | !pinning |
| 11:25.12 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 11:25.23 | Virtualmix | themill, thank you :) |
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| 12:49.39 | zastaph | themill, ahh.. but my ~/.bash_profile only contains my own addition (and none to PATH) and in the end it caææs source ~/.bashrc |
| 12:49.46 | zastaph | calls |
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| 12:53.03 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for m? |
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| 12:56.57 | babilen | lancelot_of: You ran of earlier ... You have to be more patient |
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| 13:00.54 | jokar | o/ all |
| 13:01.04 | jokar | how change speech man or women in gnome? |
| 13:01.10 | jokar | :( |
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| 13:05.02 | lancelot_of | babilen, could you take a look here? http://paste.debian.net/125760/ why the command doesn't find the INSTALLED module and doesn't create any xorg.conf file? |
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| 13:05.57 | jelly | lancelot_of: where did it install? |
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| 13:08.53 | babilen | lancelot_of: So you don't want a device specific configuration file? I would just use that to configure your gfx card and leave the rest to Xorg's autoconfiguration. |
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| 13:10.01 | lancelot_of | babilen, i was trying to get an xorg.conf file in order to change the driver section to intel. That's my driver.I've nothing to do with vmware |
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| 13:13.51 | lancelot_of | babilen, purging the unuseful vmware driver (apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-vmware) and retrying X -configure :1 i get http://paste.debian.net/125761/ .What i don't understand is that line: Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. I've just the laptop screen! |
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| 13:16.35 | babilen | lancelot_of: The idea is to have a device specific configuration file that just contains the intel driver section in /etc/xorg.conf.d |
| 13:17.18 | lancelot_of | babilen, ok, so what should i put in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf? |
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| 13:19.24 | amgarching | Is it legal/good practice to put int "iface eth1 inet static" (inet=IPv4) section of /etc/network/interfaces a "pre-up echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth1/accept_ra" and an "up ip -6 route add default via <IPv6 here> dev eth1" ? What would be an alternative? |
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| 13:19.57 | babilen | lancelot_of: A device section that sets the driver to "intel" |
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| 13:21.03 | babilen | lancelot_of: Something like echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf or so. No idea how *you* want to configure your system. |
| 13:21.09 | lancelot_of | babilen, without Identifier and BusId entries?? |
| 13:21.28 | babilen | It has an identifier |
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| 13:22.18 | babilen | lancelot_of: But that is just an example, do you have reason to believe that it is not enough? You can configure it how you like it though. |
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| 13:33.48 | sdfdsf | hi, i had a raid 1 with 2 disks and one of the disks failed, so can i run my sistem from just one? that is until i go buy another identical drive, thanks |
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| 13:34.48 | iceroot | sdfdsf: yes |
| 13:35.03 | iceroot | sdfdsf: that is exaclty the job of a raid1 system |
| 13:35.23 | sdfdsf | iceroot, well if i start it now it says one of the disks is missing , and it goes into a blue menu where i'm lost |
| 13:35.36 | iceroot | sdfdsf: sounds like hardware-raid |
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| 13:35.48 | sdfdsf | iceroot, yes |
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| 13:36.02 | sdfdsf | iceroot, can i just take out the bad disk and run? |
| 13:36.06 | rozie | sdfdsf: yes |
| 13:36.24 | sdfdsf | iceroot, well i took it out and it detects it's not there anymore and it gives me 2 options |
| 13:36.26 | rozie | at least until the "good" one fails ;) |
| 13:36.35 | amero | how do i add a virtual interface and assign it with a private ip? |
| 13:37.18 | sdfdsf | iceroot, one f1 to continue and the logical drives will remain disabled and f2 to fail drives that are not responding and go to some recovery menu |
| 13:37.35 | sdfdsf | iceroot, i'm lost |
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| 13:38.05 | iceroot | sdfdsf: all logical drives or only the corrupt one? |
| 13:38.23 | sdfdsf | iceroot, it says all |
| 13:38.29 | iceroot | sdfdsf: normally you should be able to start with one disc but maybe its depending on the raid-controller |
| 13:39.00 | sdfdsf | iceroot, thing is i had the raid with 2 disks, and i took one out and it might be to good one i don't know until i swap them and try it again |
| 13:39.09 | sdfdsf | iceroot, what do you recommend? |
| 13:39.32 | iceroot | sdfdsf: be sure to remove the corrupt one |
| 13:39.50 | sdfdsf | iceroot, i don't know which one is, so i took one of the two |
| 13:40.01 | sdfdsf | iceroot, so i'm presented with disableing all the logical driveas |
| 13:40.05 | sdfdsf | *drives |
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| 13:40.13 | sdfdsf | iceroot, is there any danger in this? |
| 13:40.20 | iceroot | sdfdsf: not really |
| 13:40.43 | iceroot | sdfdsf: but i dont know the raid-controller and dont know what he is doing |
| 13:41.08 | sdfdsf | iceroot, if i go into bios and disable the raid controller, will it boot from the good disk just like usual? |
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| 13:42.02 | iceroot | sdfdsf: normally yes (never saw a hardware-raid controller not doing it) |
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| 13:42.13 | iceroot | sdfdsf: why not insert a new disc? |
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| 13:42.43 | sdfdsf | iceroot, i don't have one until i buy it .. but still if it's supposed to work with just one .. |
| 13:43.09 | iceroot | sdfdsf: but of course you also have a backup! |
| 13:43.16 | iceroot | sdfdsf: because raid is not a backup |
| 13:43.19 | rozie | sdfdsf: read manual of your controller, please |
| 13:43.22 | sdfdsf | iceroot, that was the backup |
| 13:43.31 | iceroot | sdfdsf: because raid is not a backup!!! |
| 13:43.43 | sdfdsf | oh it seems i do |
| 13:43.45 | sdfdsf | nevermind |
| 13:43.50 | sdfdsf | final question |
| 13:44.02 | rozie | sdfdsf: and failed hard disc should have light turned on (usually red) |
| 13:44.19 | sdfdsf | you suppose if i remove the bad disks from the 2, when i reboot it should ignore it and go along with the remaining good one? |
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| 13:44.31 | sdfdsf | i didn't pay attention to that |
| 13:44.35 | rozie | sdfdsf: no. read manual of your controller |
| 13:45.13 | rozie | I wouldn't put the only disc without making 1:1 copy anyway |
| 13:45.24 | sdfdsf | why |
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| 13:45.44 | rozie | because data can be erased |
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| 13:46.13 | sdfdsf | how's that |
| 13:46.24 | sdfdsf | if i boot with just one data can be erased from it? |
| 13:46.28 | sdfdsf | why? |
| 13:46.42 | rozie | but fortunately it's not my problem |
| 13:46.56 | sdfdsf | well |
| 13:47.03 | sdfdsf | exit |
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| 13:47.05 | sdfdsf | haha |
| 13:47.05 | rozie | sdfdsf: go ahead, put it on, if you feel brave |
| 13:47.17 | rozie | you may be lucky |
| 13:47.22 | sdfdsf | what do you mean |
| 13:47.38 | sdfdsf | i allready have one disk out and it's not booting it's waiting for an option |
| 13:47.46 | sdfdsf | f1 or f2 |
| 13:47.47 | coolguy4 | I'm running squeeze and there's a package I want that's in lenny but not squeeze. Is it sane to add lenny repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:47.59 | rozie | sdfdsf: good luck. |
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| 13:48.51 | Pupeno_ | Is there a package that installs an English dictionary (list of words) in Debian? |
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| 13:49.42 | joltcan | Pupeno_: wspell? |
| 13:50.00 | joltcan | Pupeno_: dict? |
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| 13:51.30 | Pupeno_ | thanks. |
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| 13:52.51 | lancelot_of | babilen, thanks for your suggestion, now the module is correctly loaded |
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| 13:53.24 | lancelot_of | babilen, which is the command for the kde power management daemon?I'd like to run it in a x session different from kde |
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| 13:59.12 | themill | lancelot_of: there's no kde power management daemon in kde4. it's all run through hal |
| 13:59.59 | Skilz | How can I make my volume use master not pcm? |
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| 14:02.06 | lancelot_of | themill, thank you |
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| 14:02.11 | lancelot_of | have a nice day bye |
| 14:02.14 | babilen | lancelot_of: you are welcome |
| 14:02.17 | Ragnar | how do I make dhcpd in debian listen on a specific eth? |
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| 14:02.25 | Ragnar | in bsd, you do it in /etc/rc.conf |
| 14:04.29 | brah | Ragnar: which DHCPd version? |
| 14:04.41 | brah | You should have /etc/dhcp |
| 14:04.48 | brah | and dhclient.conf there |
| 14:04.53 | brah | But also you might have /etc/dhcp3 |
| 14:05.09 | Ragnar | its in dhcp3-server |
| 14:05.13 | Ragnar | its /etc/dhcp |
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| 14:05.57 | rozie | Ragnar: /etc/default/dhcp* ? |
| 14:06.56 | brah | Nope. Not on Wheezy, at least. |
| 14:07.43 | brah | Actually, isn't /etc/dhcp for the DHCP client instead of the server? |
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| 14:17.16 | Skilz | Why doesnt my Master volume work? Only PCM? |
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| 14:17.55 | Ragnar | rozie: thanks |
| 14:17.58 | Ragnar | it was isc* |
| 14:18.07 | Ragnar | but I found it there, thank you very much |
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| 14:20.29 | rozie | Ragnar: np. /etc/default is pretty common location for many services |
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| 14:23.02 | Ragnar | nods |
| 14:23.06 | Ragnar | thanks! |
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| 14:26.01 | MarconM | how i enable zfs on debian squeeze netinstall |
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| 14:26.26 | babilen | MarconM: Are you installing kfreebsd? |
| 14:26.35 | MarconM | yes |
| 14:26.42 | MarconM | and debian too |
| 14:26.45 | MarconM | both |
| 14:27.00 | MarconM | babilen: do you know |
| 14:27.02 | babilen | Should be available in partman |
| 14:27.08 | MarconM | no |
| 14:27.21 | MarconM | i am installing on expert mode ... but dont have |
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| 14:27.31 | babilen | What do you mean by "Debian too" -- are you installing two things? I was talking about Debian GNU/kfreebsd |
| 14:27.48 | babilen | MarconM: Are you sure? Which filesystems are offered? |
| 14:28.26 | MarconM | no |
| 14:28.33 | MarconM | i am sure |
| 14:28.34 | babilen | Ah, apparently you need partman-zfs |
| 14:28.40 | babilen | !kfreebsd |
| 14:28.40 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:28.43 | MarconM | hunm..... |
| 14:28.53 | MarconM | but how i install |
| 14:28.55 | babilen | I would ask in that ^^^ channel what the best way is. |
| 14:29.26 | MarconM | dont hve apt-get yet |
| 14:29.32 | MarconM | coz ... dont have OS |
| 14:29.34 | MarconM | lol |
| 14:30.03 | babilen | Did you load partman-zfs during the installation? See also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/kfreebsd-amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 14:30.45 | babilen | MarconM: No, you can load additional d-i functionality. I guess it is offered there. I am not talking about getting specific packages *after* the install. |
| 14:31.04 | babilen | MarconM: But please ask in #debian-kbsd as they are more likely to know how this is done. |
| 14:31.12 | MarconM | babilen: but i want to install all the sistem wih zfs |
| 14:31.16 | MarconM | ok |
| 14:31.26 | babilen | Yes, I understand that. Which filesystems are you offered? |
| 14:31.42 | babilen | fires up a VM |
| 14:31.51 | MarconM | wait |
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| 14:32.18 | Skilz | Just wondering why Master and Master Mono don't work, I have to use PCM and Headphone |
| 14:32.19 | MarconM | babilen: with partition type |
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| 14:32.40 | MarconM | bsd, amig, sun, loop |
| 14:32.55 | babilen | AFAICT squeeze's installer should offer zfs .. |
| 14:33.21 | babilen | MarconM: That are not filesystems -- What is offered when you partition the device under "Use as" ? |
| 14:33.31 | jelly | should could would |
| 14:33.35 | joltcan | except that ZFS isn't open enough for Debian |
| 14:33.46 | babilen | jelly: indeed |
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| 14:34.06 | jelly | there was no installing to zfs support at squeeze time |
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| 14:34.56 | babilen | jelly: Are you sure? |
| 14:35.25 | jelly | 80% |
| 14:35.39 | jelly | don't remember when exactly I read that |
| 14:36.08 | jelly | kbsd channel will know |
| 14:36.11 | babilen | Well, lets take it to #debian-kbsd -- they should know |
| 14:36.14 | babilen | heh |
| 14:36.51 | jelly | normal OS + zfs for storage seemed to be usable |
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| 14:37.11 | babilen | MarconM: not partition type, but filesystem. after you create a partition you can select which filesystem is used, the mountpoint and other things. Are you at that stage? |
| 14:37.35 | babilen | jelly: Yes, http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2011/02/msg00125.html is also worth a look. (from the FAQ) |
| 14:37.40 | babilen | MarconM: ^^ |
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| 14:40.02 | MarconM | =/ |
| 14:40.11 | MarconM | babilen: do u use zfs |
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| 14:43.03 | babilen | MarconM: No, I don't use kfreebsd (that might have been obvious by now) |
| 14:43.35 | MarconM | babilen: me too ... i use debian |
| 14:43.53 | MarconM | but there is a way to enable zfs on debian too =D |
| 14:44.04 | mjt | kfreebsd isn't debian? |
| 14:44.17 | babilen | MarconM: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/07/msg00600.html |
| 14:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | !zfs |
| 14:44.20 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:44.40 | mjt | it's debian gnu/freebsd iirc, and debian gnu/linux |
| 14:44.53 | menace | why does sbuild-setup(7) recommends a logical volume for building debian packages? |
| 14:44.53 | babilen | mjt: correct |
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| 14:45.02 | babilen | mjt: argh, almost. Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 14:45.04 | menace | sbuild-createchroot does not create sth like that? |
| 14:45.24 | mikunos | Hi guys I have to install the headers. Is this command correct? sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) because I get the message Package not found |
| 14:45.57 | jhutchins_lt | mikunos: Which kernel? |
| 14:46.08 | mweichert | hello, my /etc/hosts file is changing automatically. My hosts file has a line with 192.168.100.101 myhostname.mydomain.com myhostname |
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| 14:46.14 | babilen | MarconM: So, are you in the partman menu where you setup the partitions? You should have options like "Use as" or "mount point" and so on ... |
| 14:46.20 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.31 | mweichert | I keep trying to remove myhostname from that line and add another line "10.10.10.1 myhostname" instead |
| 14:46.39 | jhutchins_lt | mikunos: That's not a standard debian release. |
| 14:46.48 | mweichert | but after reboot, it's changed back to what it was before |
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| 14:46.53 | mikunos | it's a ubuntu |
| 14:47.04 | pinkisntwell | how can i find out which files were installed by a package? |
| 14:47.10 | themill | pinkisntwell: dpkg -L |
| 14:47.20 | MarconM | partman |
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| 14:47.52 | babilen | MarconM: I have just received confirmation that ZFS is supported in squeeze and in the list of filesystems. I assume that you just haven't reached that point yet. You have to create a partition *first* and then configure it. |
| 14:48.18 | MarconM | i did |
| 14:48.23 | MarconM | but didnt work |
| 14:48.56 | babilen | MarconM: What happens if you try? What did you do exactly? Which filesystems *are* offered if ZFS is not among them? |
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| 14:49.31 | MarconM | babilen: no zfs is not among then |
| 14:49.39 | MarconM | i tested all of then |
| 14:49.41 | Skilz | How do I check if im using pulseaudio? |
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| 14:50.15 | babilen | MarconM: Which *filesystems* are offered in the list? What is the exact menu you are choosing from? |
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| 14:50.39 | babilen | MarconM: What do you mean by "I tested all of them?" all of which? |
| 14:50.54 | Skilz | And also just wondering why Master and Master Mono don't work, I have to use PCM and Headphone |
| 14:50.55 | MarconM | confuse o |
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| 14:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | !pulseaudio |
| 14:51.46 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:51.47 | babilen | MarconM: Ok, so you are in the partman menu. You create a new partition. Have you done that? |
| 14:52.05 | MarconM | ytes |
| 14:52.06 | MarconM | yes |
| 14:52.59 | MarconM | it offer ext, ext3 ext4, jfs, xfs reiserfs btrfs fat32 fat16 |
| 14:53.19 | jelly | that sounds like a Linux installer |
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| 14:53.34 | jelly | not a kfreebsd one |
| 14:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I think that like ntfs, support is through fuse. |
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| 14:58.05 | babilen | MarconM: I've just confirmed in a virtual machine that you *can* choose ZFS -- Create a new partition, (it asks about a new partition table -> proceed), choose FREE SPACE then, "Create new partition" , "Use as : ZFS" |
| 14:58.16 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: We are talking about kfreebsd |
| 14:58.34 | babilen | ah well ... |
| 14:58.35 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Ok, I thought the question was zfs on Linux. |
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| 14:58.59 | babilen | I guess that MarconM just used a Debian/Linux image and not a kfreebsd one. |
| 14:59.21 | babilen | ok, having come that far I'll just finish the installation :) |
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| 15:22.34 | MarconM | !kfree |
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| 15:22.57 | MarconM | lol |
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| 15:36.32 | skilz | How can I upgrade to conky testing? |
| 15:36.36 | skilz | !testing |
| 15:36.37 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 15:38.41 | themill | ,versions conky --release squeeze-backports |
| 15:38.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'conky' was found in i386. |
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| 15:40.27 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
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| 15:45.12 | balboah | so, I'm trying to modify my kernel to add a module that isn't found by module manager. But there isn't a linux-source pacakge for the 2.6.32 xen version, and apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 picks linux-2.6. What's the correct way to do this? I didn't get dom0 compiled in from the linux-source-2.6.32 |
| 15:45.45 | balboah | I could just move a compiled version of the module into the one that was installed by the stable deb, but that's cheating |
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| 15:46.05 | jonathan_2 | hi |
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| 15:48.06 | balboah | here is my problem: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=63158 |
| 15:48.56 | jonathan_2 | Debian is my close and personal friend :) |
| 15:50.14 | segfault | Debian touches me at night |
| 15:50.50 | babilen | jonathan_2, segfault: Please take it elsewhere. Thank you. |
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| 15:51.32 | vampi-the-frog | !disable ipv6 |
| 15:51.32 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 15:53.39 | jonathan_2 | !bashrc |
| 15:53.39 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
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| 15:55.53 | babilen | !msg the bot |
| 15:55.53 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 15:56.31 | judgen | How can i replace an piece of text in all my files via terminal. lets say the text i want to change in all files is foo@foo.com and i want it to be foo2@anotherfoo.net. |
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| 15:57.59 | simba0 | hi |
| 15:58.39 | babilen | judgen: sed -i'' -e "s/what_to_replace/with_what/g" is usable. Combine that with find -exec {} \; and you have a powerful tool. |
| 15:58.40 | themill | judgen: "sed -i 's/foo@foo.com/foo2@anotherfoo.net/' file1 file2". backups are good. |
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| 15:58.59 | nitzs | i want to compile kernel 2.6.39.4 with nouveau driver support. How do I do that? |
| 15:58.59 | babilen | yes, backups are good -- use themill's example |
| 15:59.16 | judgen | do i have to specify a file or can i use it recursviely to a folder with lots of source files in them? |
| 15:59.36 | simba0 | I manually deleted /var/log/auth.log, then recreated it. I now noticed it's still empty, it's no longer logging logins (I disconnected and reconnected to confirm). It has the same 460 (rw/r/-)permissions as the archived auth logs. What can I do at this point |
| 15:59.43 | babilen | judgen: You can use whatever globbing your shell provides or search for specific files with find |
| 16:00.17 | judgen | babilen: i have about 500 files that i have to remove a "-e" from to make it compile. |
| 16:00.42 | babilen | judgen: ok |
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| 16:01.12 | babilen | !tell judgen -about using find |
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| 16:02.17 | babilen | judgen: http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html + http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html#uh-0 + http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/sed.html |
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| 16:04.39 | nitzs | how do you include the nouveau driver in the 2.6.39.4 kernel? |
| 16:05.10 | mjt | who you? It's already included... |
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| 16:06.01 | nitzs | mjt, i compiled the kernel, but didn't find any nouveau related option. |
| 16:06.21 | mjt | it's in staging iirc |
| 16:06.23 | nitzs | so now i can't start X |
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| 16:07.04 | nitzs | mjt, staging is experimental? |
| 16:07.13 | judgen | i do not get how to use sed properly... |
| 16:07.18 | mjt | Depends on: STAGING [=y] && !STAGING_EXCLUDE_BUILD [=n] && DRM [=m] &&.... |
| 16:07.26 | judgen | atelast not for several files |
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| 16:08.04 | nitzs | mjt, where is this option exactly? |
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| 16:08.24 | babilen | nitzs: There is CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU, CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU_BACKLIGHT and CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU_DEBUG -- but you probably want xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 16:08.32 | mjt | there's search in menuconfig (or xconfg) |
| 16:08.39 | systemclient | does debuild automatically unpack my package_x.orig.tar.gz or do I have to manually extract it into my package-x dir? |
| 16:08.45 | babilen | nitzs: That is the package, not a kernel compilation option. |
| 16:09.06 | mjt | babilen: it's a kernel config option too ;) |
| 16:09.45 | babilen | mjt: I've just pointed out the relevant kernel options. |
| 16:09.47 | mjt | oh, i missed that line, yea, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is a package |
| 16:09.49 | mjt | yeah |
| 16:10.00 | nitzs | so all i need to do is CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU=y in the .config file? |
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| 16:10.17 | babilen | nitzs: For what? |
| 16:10.34 | nitzs | for including the driver. |
| 16:10.35 | babilen | !tell nitzs -about drm |
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| 16:10.53 | babilen | nitzs: You want to install the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package if you want the Xorg driver. |
| 16:11.12 | nitzs | that's all? |
| 16:11.36 | babilen | nitzs: And yes, you can compile the kernel in that way. Why are you not using a Debian kernel? (from backports if you want .39) |
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| 16:11.51 | babilen | nitzs: Do you want it to be more complicated? |
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| 16:12.30 | nitzs | i just didn't know debian uses a modified kernel in the backports. |
| 16:12.43 | mjt | modified? |
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| 16:13.06 | mjt | it has ready to be installed kernel in backports, it does not _use_ that kernel :) |
| 16:13.10 | babilen | nitzs: In what way is it modified? |
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| 16:13.19 | nitzs | what's the difference between the bian .39and the main .39? |
| 16:13.21 | babilen | !tell nitzs -about bdo kernel |
| 16:13.30 | systemclient | does debuild automatically unpack my package_x.orig.tar.gz or do I have to manually extract it into my package-x dir? |
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| 16:16.58 | nitzs | babilen, in what way is the bdo kernel different from the main kernel? |
| 16:18.02 | babilen | nitzs: The bdo kernel is a backported kernel from wheezy -- it does not differ from the one in wheezy except for things that are needed to make it run in squeeze. (which *might* comprise things like the compiler version) |
| 16:18.08 | babilen | !tell nitzs -about backports |
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| 16:20.30 | nitzs | babilen, so the kernel used in wheezy is the unmodified kernel (from kernel.org) or is it modified as well? |
| 16:21.28 | babilen | it is configured and it might contain debian specific patches -- I haven't checked the exact differences for .39, but take a look at the changelog of it. (aptitude changelog PKG) |
| 16:22.03 | babilen | What are you actually trying to achieve? |
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| 16:24.06 | nitzs | babilen, i just wanted to compile a kernel from scratch. |
| 16:24.13 | babilen | why? |
| 16:24.24 | dnano91 | hey... how can i reinstall a package via live cd? grub does not show linux entries since kernelupdate and i want 2 reinstall the kernel |
| 16:24.43 | wols_ | !fixgrub |
| 16:24.43 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:24.57 | babilen | dnano91: chroot into the system and reinstall the package the method for chrooting is detailed in ^^^^^ |
| 16:24.57 | nitzs | babilen, well .. i never did that and was curious. |
| 16:25.01 | wols_ | dnano91: instead of running update-grub there you install your kernel and _then_ run update-grub |
| 16:25.29 | babilen | nitzs: Ok, you might want to read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 16:26.19 | babilen | nitzs: But you could also build it from scratch, whatever you prefer. Enjoy and good luck. |
| 16:26.33 | dnano91 | ok, then i'll read something about chrooting |
| 16:26.56 | babilen | dnano91: The method that is outlined above is all you need :) |
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| 16:28.06 | dnano91 | babilen: oh... do i have to mount everything that is mentioned? |
| 16:28.10 | nitzs | babilen, yeah i'll try to do it the debian way first. |
| 16:29.45 | babilen | nitzs: The Debian way would be not to compile the kernel, but to install it from backports. You could, however, compile 3.0 in the outlined way as you achieve something by doing that. |
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| 16:29.53 | babilen | dnano91: yes |
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| 16:30.23 | babilen | dnano91: The procedure is the same from a live CD (modulo the alt-f2 part) |
| 16:30.56 | spal | Is there any software in Linux to analyze chess moves? |
| 16:31.22 | nitzs | babilen, hmm. i'll try that. |
| 16:32.16 | babilen | spal: /me recommends /dev/brain -- you mean a chess-game engine that could output different values for board states? Can you give an example of such a software? (regardless of operating system) |
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| 16:32.53 | spal | babilen, yes, I want such a thing. I don't know any examples. I learn that Gary Kasparov uses them to learn his mistakes. |
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| 16:32.59 | spal | I wonder if there is some such thing on Debian |
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| 16:34.43 | babilen | spal: Hmm, I am also not aware of such a software, but chess engines typically perform searches in the search space of possible moves and calculate the utility of board states. the start and end-game is typically just a table lookup though. I am not aware of a software that outputs the utility or something like that though. gnu chess seems to be widely used, maybe they have an irc channel and provide further input? |
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| 16:35.57 | babilen | spal: sorry, can't be of more help :-/ |
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| 16:36.05 | spal | okay |
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| 16:36.48 | babilen | spal: I would try some chess specific channels or mailing lists. The chess-geeks would have probably heard of such software if it exists |
| 16:37.02 | spal | #chess suggested scid |
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| 16:37.27 | babilen | spal: There is a small #chess channel on this server. Please let me know if you find anything to enable me to help others with the same problem in the future. |
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| 16:38.28 | paul_andrew | hi, i want to pull a *deb from net and install with dpkg, one liner how could this be done? |
| 16:38.45 | babilen | spal: Also googling for '"chess game analysis" software' returns a few hits. Good luck! |
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| 16:39.09 | babilen | paul_andrew: "wget URL ; dpkg -i the.deb" -- Which software is that? |
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| 16:40.14 | paul_andrew | babilen: i only want to use the name and url once. its latest version of virtualbox. |
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| 16:40.53 | babilen | yes, so use the commands I exemplified above. You can also use curl or aria2 for the download if you prefer those. |
| 16:40.55 | paul_andrew | babilen: so i want to feed the uri to dpkg. |
| 16:41.08 | babilen | that does not work |
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| 16:41.51 | babilen | paul_andrew: IIRC there is a Debian repository for vbox -- ask in #vbox |
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| 16:42.23 | babilen | that way you can use apt-get/aptitude to install the software. Please note that their packages are not supported by us. |
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| 16:45.13 | paul_andrew | dont want to use a repo for one package. solved with wget -O in.deb URI && dpkg -i in.deb |
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| 16:47.12 | themill | paul_andrew: virtualbox is in the debian repos already. No need to go elsewhere. |
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| 16:47.50 | guest | Hello! Could you please freenode me? |
| 16:48.15 | babilen | guest: I have no idea what that means. Do you have a Debian related problem? |
| 16:48.29 | themill | guest: perhaps you wanted #freenode for network-related help |
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| 16:48.52 | guest | I want to go on freenode. |
| 16:49.21 | babilen | guest: you are |
| 16:49.43 | guest | But I have no connection to the internet. |
| 16:49.54 | themill | apparently you do |
| 16:50.09 | babilen | guest: Please also read http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html -- Good luck! |
| 16:50.32 | babilen | themill: you jinxed it! |
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| 16:50.41 | themill | yay! |
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| 16:51.26 | PrivateAlpha | ^ ..? |
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| 16:52.01 | Supernova_ | Hello! Could you please freenode me? |
| 16:52.02 | themill | Supernova: perhaps you'd like to play games elsewhere |
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| 16:52.22 | raz | freenodes Supernova_ |
| 16:52.22 | Supernova_ | No I want to be freenoded. |
| 16:52.29 | Supernova_ | Thank you. |
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| 16:55.37 | PrivateAlpha | Is there anyway to track what happens after you do a command in terminal? |
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| 16:55.59 | PrivateAlpha | (STILL need to fix my infinite loop problem) |
| 16:56.00 | valdyn | PrivateAlpha: strace |
| 16:56.05 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: Track in what way? Are you, mayhaps, looking for something like strace? |
| 16:56.09 | Teclab | a thing i still don't understand, does the debian kernel tree backport drivers from newer mainstream releases? |
| 16:56.19 | babilen | Teclab: yes |
| 16:56.19 | valdyn | Teclab: no |
| 16:56.29 | Teclab | so yes and no |
| 16:56.32 | babilen | indeed |
| 16:56.34 | valdyn | babilen: since when? |
| 16:56.42 | valdyn | babilen: or , i never noticed that |
| 16:56.58 | babilen | valdyn: Take a look at the point releases -- selected patches are applied. |
| 16:57.07 | Teclab | it back ports wen a bug issue is resolved in newer upstream? |
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| 16:57.22 | valdyn | babilen: ok, thats not what id consider backporting drivers |
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| 16:58.09 | PrivateAlpha | Oh great:/ I have to manually install strace :< |
| 16:58.14 | valdyn | Teclab: usually the devices support by any kernel should be about the same as the upstream version |
| 16:58.24 | themill | valdyn: new drivers (or new versions of drivers) are backported into debian stable kernels at point release time. bwh's blog tends to mention this (as does the changelog) |
| 16:58.38 | valdyn | themill: i see |
| 16:58.52 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: why is that? |
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| 16:59.06 | PrivateAlpha | babilen: i broke dpkg remember? :P |
| 16:59.19 | valdyn | Teclab: obviously im wrong, however the amount of backporting done is defenitely not comparable to what rhel does |
| 16:59.27 | Teclab | so if a bug is reported after the release? it stays the same? |
| 16:59.28 | PrivateAlpha | So i want to find w/e is making that infinite loop |
| 16:59.28 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: No, apparently I successfully blocked that out |
| 16:59.42 | valdyn | Teclab: most bugs do |
| 16:59.45 | themill | valdyn: indeed; there's the bpo kernel if you want more shininess. |
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| 16:59.55 | valdyn | themill: right |
| 16:59.55 | babilen | Teclab: ^^^^ |
| 17:00.11 | babilen | Teclab: Which specific issue are you referring to? |
| 17:00.17 | Teclab | for example |
| 17:00.34 | Teclab | new hardware comes out, something crutial |
| 17:00.38 | jelly-home | what kind of a system do you have that has no strace installed, PrivateAlpha |
| 17:00.45 | valdyn | Teclab: new hardware is never crucial |
| 17:00.58 | jelly-home | valdyn: it is when it's YOUR hardware |
| 17:01.03 | PrivateAlpha | jelly-home: Debian? |
| 17:01.20 | valdyn | jelly-home: you mean when i bout it before doing my due diligence first |
| 17:01.21 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: my debians all have strace! |
| 17:01.27 | valdyn | *bought* |
| 17:01.43 | themill | PrivateAlpha: can you recount how you got the box into this state to begin with? that might help us figure out how to fix it. |
| 17:02.11 | babilen | Teclab: In that case you use an installer with a newer kernel. I still don't see which problem you are trying to solve, or is this merely hypothetical? |
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| 17:03.27 | Teclab | if i use a newer kernel isn't just the driver new, as the hole kernel unstable |
| 17:03.30 | PrivateAlpha | Well, i was installing some packages yesterday, when libc6(I think?) was configuring In entered an infinite loop. The infinite loop: http://i.imgur.com/cyKIv.png (Sorry cant paste the text it doesn't like being Selected :/) |
| 17:03.48 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: One of the reasons I run Debian instead of RH derivatives is because Debian DOES do backports. if the RH branch is doing them now, it's something new. |
| 17:04.11 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: we must be talking about different kind of backports |
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| 17:04.19 | Teclab | i love the way red hat do their back porting to the kernel |
| 17:04.20 | themill | jhutchins_lt: RHEL has been legendary in its heroic driver backporting efforts for many years now. |
| 17:04.34 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: im talking about redhat backporting 2.6.3x drivers to their 2.6.18 kernel |
| 17:04.36 | PrivateAlpha | jelly-home: Doing "strace" says unknown command in terminal |
| 17:04.49 | babilen | themill: no wonder with their release schedule :) |
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| 17:04.55 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: youre talking about backporting something like a 2.6.3x kernel -> something entirely different |
| 17:04.56 | themill | Teclab: debian does some important drivers that are causing problems. It doesn't do everything. |
| 17:04.56 | Teclab | yeah, like ext4 in 2.6.18 |
| 17:05.16 | Teclab | themill, thats what i wanted to know |
| 17:05.18 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: you didn't install it in time! |
| 17:05.30 | Teclab | because, ubuntu, doesn't do that |
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| 17:05.36 | Teclab | its just a mess |
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| 17:05.50 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: Which version of Debian is that and what have you done before that? |
| 17:06.14 | valdyn | Teclab: if you want this you need a commercial distro like rhel or probably suse or a derivative |
| 17:06.54 | themill | Teclab: don't fool yourself into a false sense of security that backporting drivers only is safer -- there have been many horrid problems caused by RHEL backported drivers too. You're bringing in new code that's had less testing no matter what way you do it, and if you're backporting drivers, then you're off in your own little completely untested space in the corner. |
| 17:07.05 | Teclab | yeah, but anyways it would be great if it started out as an Osource iniciative |
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| 17:07.42 | Teclab | the mil, for example? |
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| 17:07.46 | themill | Teclab: tbh, a completely new kernel that has been widely tested as a whole is probably safer than a mish-mash of old and new that been tested a little. |
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| 17:08.15 | Teclab | themill, you got a point |
| 17:08.44 | Teclab | anyways, for example, in the debian case |
| 17:08.51 | themill | Teclab: istr some of their earlier ext4 backports had data loss problems; drivers for sata controllers were killing drives (or corrupting the fs by injecting jibberish -- can't remember at what level it was a problem) |
| 17:08.52 | Teclab | debian is more up to date |
| 17:09.07 | valdyn | Teclab: no |
| 17:09.24 | themill | Teclab: e1000e drivers have been updated in the debian stable kernel as have a couple of sata controller drivers |
| 17:09.24 | valdyn | Teclab: thats not a useful or correct viewpoint |
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| 17:10.05 | preller | is there something like a systemlog reader for the terminal? |
| 17:10.31 | junix659 | is there something wrong with routing in 6.0.2.1? everytime I put a 2nd nic into a CPU routing just doesn't work |
| 17:10.33 | themill | Teclab: also tg3, r8169, ... see http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog for some details |
| 17:10.45 | valdyn | junix659: no, nothing wrong |
| 17:10.48 | Teclab | themill, yeah but as drivers get stable in the mainstream, debian still don't support them |
| 17:10.58 | junix659 | i ahve to go in, delete the default route, and add it back in, and manually tell it what nic to use, then it doesn't work |
| 17:11.00 | junix659 | it won't ping |
| 17:11.02 | junix659 | anything |
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| 17:11.12 | themill | Teclab: you're mixing up different meanings of "stable". |
| 17:11.25 | valdyn | !tell junix659 -about ask |
| 17:11.29 | valdyn | !tell junix659 -about smart questions |
| 17:11.34 | Teclab | themill, u mean stable as ultra tested, i get it |
| 17:11.37 | babilen | Teclab: Debian does, by means of backported kernels. Stable in the Debian sense means "versions do not change" and that has nothing to do with "not broken" |
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| 17:11.43 | valdyn | Teclab: no he doesnt |
| 17:11.48 | babilen | !tell Teclab -about stable |
| 17:11.52 | themill | Teclab: and just because a driver is marked as "stable" in the 3.0 kernel doesn't mean that it is stable (or even compiles) in the 2.6.32 kernel. |
| 17:11.55 | valdyn | Teclab: stable means not changing |
| 17:12.51 | Teclab | but as u know, to be real, the kernel release is always a mess |
| 17:13.12 | valdyn | Teclab: whats your point? |
| 17:13.14 | Teclab | stable for me, means it doesn't breaks or crashes xD |
| 17:14.03 | Teclab | trying to understand, if backporting in debian stable kernels would be cool |
| 17:14.13 | valdyn | Teclab: but thats only you, those "enterprise" distros, and that includes debian, do not mean the same as you with stable |
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| 17:14.35 | PrivateAlpha | @ babilen Sqeeze installed over Windows |
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| 17:14.50 | Teclab | valdyn, so thas what i am learning right now =) |
| 17:14.52 | junix659 | valdyn: i'm trying to setup a dual nic scenario, 1 nic has a default route, the other just has an IP, when i boot debian, i change the default gateway to always go out a specific nic, but then it doesn't work. i'm not sure why, i'm using the commands route del -net 0.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.2 dev eth1 |
| 17:15.23 | UukGoblin | qgis seems broken :-( http://pastebin.com/sJ1ucW9x |
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| 17:15.38 | valdyn | junix659: show us the output for "route -n" and tell us which way traffic is supposed to go |
| 17:16.05 | valdyn | !tell junix659 -about paste |
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| 17:17.04 | valdyn | junix659: just fyi, the default gw is added like this: "route add default gw <ip>" |
| 17:17.11 | Teclab | anyways its always cool for example to know that a rocksolid server oriented OS, with stable (as u mean) packages, supports my new shinny SSD |
| 17:17.12 | junix659 | AH |
| 17:17.25 | junix659 | valdyn: can i specifiy the device? |
| 17:17.28 | Teclab | so that i don't got to way to the next stable release |
| 17:17.38 | valdyn | junix659: thats useless |
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| 17:18.13 | junix659 | valdyn: why? |
| 17:18.48 | valdyn | junix659: because traffic is routed according to Target and the netmask |
| 17:19.22 | valdyn | junix659: unless you need to do something more advanced, the interface follows from those 2 |
| 17:19.30 | Supernova | hurr. |
| 17:19.39 | junix659 | valdyn: i am setting up a CPU to do ntop.... |
| 17:19.49 | Supernova | Someone highlighted me and I got all exicted, but it was someone impersonation me :-F |
| 17:20.15 | valdyn | junix659: how exactly is that relevant? |
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| 17:20.36 | junix659 | valdyn: i need a NIC for management and a NIC for capture |
| 17:20.49 | valdyn | junix659: thats stupid |
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| 17:21.00 | junix659 | why? |
| 17:21.09 | valdyn | junix659: because you dont need seperate nics for that |
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| 17:21.12 | junix659 | we want to be able to manage it remotely.... |
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| 17:21.15 | junix659 | ok i'm out for lunch |
| 17:21.17 | junix659 | thanks |
| 17:21.58 | Teclab | themill, the blog u sent me, i don't understand the guy back ported to 6.0.2 or is its own kernel? |
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| 17:22.51 | themill | Teclab: bwh is one of the debian kernel maintainers; that's what is in the debian stable kernel |
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| 17:24.11 | Teclab | so when it comes a 6.0.x release, there are back ported drivers? |
| 17:24.26 | themill | I think we've gone around this block enough times now. |
| 17:24.40 | Teclab | sorry about that |
| 17:24.53 | Teclab | but I'm confused |
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| 17:26.36 | ItBlends | is debian using this upstart thing? |
| 17:26.45 | Teclab | no |
| 17:26.55 | ItBlends | does xdm work in debian? |
| 17:27.22 | abrotman | ItBlends: it uses another parallel boot option |
| 17:27.26 | abrotman | and yes, xdm works |
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| 17:28.13 | ItBlends | I think I'm going to start using debian again. I had started using ubuntu a few years ago. These days everything seems broken there if I even go even slightly outside the standard install. |
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| 17:29.22 | Teclab | themill, I'm reading point releases changelogs and debian do backports drivers |
| 17:29.53 | Teclab | ItBlends, squeeze was a boom release =D |
| 17:30.02 | themill | yes... we established that around 30 minutes ago |
| 17:30.25 | quitte | is anyone here using an old aspire one? aoa110 or 150? for me the kernels mtrr cleanup stopped working and would like to know if others are affected,too |
| 17:30.37 | Teclab | themill, i didn't understand⦠sorry, and tnks =) |
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| 17:31.14 | ItBlends | Teclab, boom release? |
| 17:31.32 | PrivateAlpha | Can someone step me through installing strace manually? |
| 17:31.32 | Teclab | ItBlends, ultra good =D |
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| 17:32.08 | netanel | Hey all, i have some question to the sysadmin's here, if you have a-lot of machines in your data-center, whats the best way to manage the history of the problems in each machine? (any suggestions for opensource system) |
| 17:32.24 | quitte | PrivateAlpha: what do you mean by manually? |
| 17:32.34 | abrotman | PrivateAlpha: aptitude install strace |
| 17:33.09 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: download package (somehow), install with dpkg -i foo_1_arch.deb |
| 17:33.30 | jelly-home | assuming your apt is still broken |
| 17:33.47 | jhutchins_lt | netanel: I'd go with one of the full blown trouble ticket systems. |
| 17:33.53 | PrivateAlpha | apit and dpkg are broken :/ |
| 17:33.57 | PrivateAlpha | apt* |
| 17:34.10 | PrivateAlpha | so i MUST do t manually |
| 17:34.13 | PrivateAlpha | it* |
| 17:34.14 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: how is dpkg broken. |
| 17:34.25 | themill | PrivateAlpha: can you recount how you got the box into this state to begin with? that might help us figure out how to fix it. |
| 17:34.37 | netanel | jhutchins_lt, well ticket system is already installed, but good to remind its dedicate to response for ticket's. |
| 17:34.47 | abrotman | PrivateAlpha: what happens when you try to use dpkg ? |
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| 17:35.22 | netanel | not to look from above on specific machine and to say "hey, we have a-lot of problem with that machine, we replace 4 times the cpu. maybe its heating up" -> for example. |
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| 17:35.47 | PrivateAlpha | Well, i was installing some packages yesterday, when libc6(I think?) was configuring In entered an infinite loop. The infinite loop: http://i.imgur.com/cyKIv.png (Sorry cant paste the text it doesn't like being Selected :/) |
| 17:36.02 | abrotman | netanel: neural database :) |
| 17:36.13 | abrotman | netanel: how many is 'a lot' ? |
| 17:36.40 | PrivateAlpha | apt-get and dpkg both tell me todo dpkg configure -a Which then enters the infinite loop again |
| 17:36.49 | netanel | lets say something about some thousands |
| 17:37.03 | abrotman | netanel: so a spreadsheet is out of the question |
| 17:37.16 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: don't dpkg --configure -a. do a dpkg -i strace....deb instead. |
| 17:37.21 | netanel | :) abrotman, ofcourse :D |
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| 17:37.55 | ItBlends | phew. I was afraid I was going to have to use a 2-3 year old stable release |
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| 17:38.43 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: actual dpkg command and its output that results in dpkg telling you to do dpkg --configure -a would be nice... I'm not aware of a situation where that happens |
| 17:39.07 | hurdos | Hi all |
| 17:40.06 | themill | jelly-home: it looked like the postinst might be looping on trying to prompt to restart things after the libc6 upgrade. Running with -x would help. |
| 17:40.42 | ItBlends | Are debian release code names restricted to the first Toy Story? |
| 17:41.32 | PrivateAlpha | jelly-home: I have no clue what you just said :) |
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| 17:42.22 | themill | dpkg: tell ItBlends about wheezy |
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| 17:44.54 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: which dpkg command did you run that said "plz run dpkg --configure -a"? |
| 17:50.32 | PrivateAlpha | Well apt-get says it. The packages managers all say it. Hangon something is happening. Give me a while. |
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| 17:51.07 | mjt | it's apt-get install et al |
| 17:51.38 | mjt | happens when previous install has been interrupted, so some packages are left in unconfigured state |
| 17:52.00 | themill | PrivateAlpha: you need to start putting exact commands and exact output in a pastebin if you want people to help. ESP-over-TCP/IP isn't that easy. |
| 17:52.06 | mjt | both apt-get and aptitude will refuse to run in that case, asking to run dpkg to configure sturr |
| 17:52.15 | mjt | stuff* |
| 17:53.19 | PrivateAlpha | fuuuu libc6! |
| 17:53.22 | mjt | btw, i found it very wrong that current apt-get (in squeeze) ignores Ctrl+C signal. |
| 17:53.39 | mjt | so it's impossible to interrupt apt-get install procedure anymroe |
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| 17:54.04 | PrivateAlpha | Ok my package manager says configuring libc6 |
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| 17:54.29 | PrivateAlpha | and the terminal just shows me the infinite loop |
| 17:54.41 | Teclab | is there any web site to catch up with .deb/aptitude/apt development in terms of new features? |
| 17:56.01 | PrivateAlpha | Ok I give up |
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| 17:56.05 | ROKO__ | hm |
| 17:56.06 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: apt-get is not dpkg... I wanted to see if dpkg itself was broken (if it's not, you can use it to install package files) |
| 17:56.07 | ROKO__ | E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:4: Extra junk at end of file |
| 17:56.15 | ROKO__ | what is wrong |
| 17:56.24 | ROKO__ | i have only 3 lines in apt.conf |
| 17:56.24 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 17:56.40 | gnarface | ROKO__: that one is pretty effing obvious. maybe you should pastebin the file |
| 17:57.02 | PrivateAlpha | ROKO__: are there trailing spaces? |
| 17:57.03 | gnarface | ROKO__: odd that i don't have that file though... |
| 17:57.23 | ROKO__ | PrivateAlpha, no |
| 17:57.53 | ROKO__ | http://pastebin.calculate-linux.org/en/show/1549 |
| 17:58.34 | mjt | heh. it's not for apt.conf |
| 17:58.37 | mjt | it's for preferences |
| 17:58.52 | mjt | apt.conf syntax is completely different |
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| 17:58.54 | ROKO__ | mjt, how should be added |
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| 17:59.08 | The98 | hello |
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| 17:59.34 | ROKO__ | root@Calculate:/home/ROKO__# apt-get update |
| 17:59.34 | ROKO__ | E: СинÑакÑиÑеÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð¾Ñибка /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/gnome:8: лиÑние ÑÐ¸Ð¼Ð²Ð¾Ð»Ñ Ð² конÑе Ñайла |
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| 17:59.37 | ROKO__ | ops |
| 17:59.43 | The98 | can anyone help me with an ethernet problem? |
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| 17:59.50 | ROKO__ | E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/gnome:8: Extra junk at end of file |
| 18:00.13 | dondelelcaro | ROKO__: edit that file and remove whatever is at the end, or paste it into a paste site if it's not clear |
| 18:00.20 | mjt | !tell The98 -about anyone |
| 18:00.46 | PrivateAlpha | jelly-home: Ok it seems you are right, it looks like dpkg is not broken |
| 18:00.50 | Teclab | is there any one, or team, doing innovations on the debian package management? |
| 18:00.51 | ROKO__ | dondelelcaro ah nothing in the end .. |
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| 18:01.28 | ROKO__ | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/gnome -> http://pastebin.calculate-linux.org/en/show/1550 |
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| 18:02.02 | mjt | i wonder how many times one have to say ROKO__ the same thing... |
| 18:02.12 | ROKO__ | mjt, ? |
| 18:02.17 | ROKO__ | what do you mean |
| 18:02.25 | mjt | < mjt> heh. it's not for apt.conf |
| 18:02.27 | mjt | < mjt> it's for preferences |
| 18:02.32 | mjt | that'd be two |
| 18:02.33 | themill | ROKO__: what version of debian do you think you're running? |
| 18:02.41 | abrotman | oh god .. not again |
| 18:02.55 | ROKO__ | mjt, i dont know where is preferences ?! |
| 18:03.02 | abrotman | ROKO__: didn't we cover this on OFTC already? |
| 18:03.16 | jelly-home | that... pinning is insane and in the wrong place |
| 18:03.23 | mjt | ROKO__: man apt_preferences |
| 18:03.24 | The98 | My problem is; if I boot up Debian Sid, it discovers the eth0 interface, but after a while, I have no internet, but the interface seems to be up |
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| 18:03.55 | The98 | if I run ifdown and then ifup, eth0 goes back up and running and it never goes down |
| 18:04.17 | The98 | I've recently upgraded from Squeeze to Sid on a i386 system |
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| 18:05.07 | PrivateAlpha | Anyone know where i can get the .deb for strace |
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| 18:05.29 | abrotman | PrivateAlpha: packages.debian.org |
| 18:05.56 | themill | dpkg: tell ROKO__ about ru |
| 18:06.19 | mjt | he appears to be capable to communicate in english :) |
| 18:06.21 | themill | ROKO__: you don't seem very comfortable seeking help in English. Would #debian-russian be better? |
| 18:06.31 | ompaul | mjt: on multiple networks |
| 18:06.32 | abrotman | mjt: speaking, not listening |
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| 18:07.13 | PrivateAlpha | Oh there is it thanks abrotman |
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| 18:07.49 | gnarface | The98: maybe dmesg says something useful? sounds kinda like dhcp or something is smashing your default network config |
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| 18:10.23 | The98 | gnarface, this is the output |
| 18:10.24 | The98 | dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 18:10.25 | The98 | [ 0.996990] r8169 0000:02:00.0: eth0: RTL8168b/8111b at 0xf823a000, 00:19:d1:a2:8c:b4, XID 98500000 IRQ 44 |
| 18:10.25 | The98 | [ 11.930441] r8169 0000:02:00.0: eth0: link down |
| 18:10.25 | The98 | [ 11.930589] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
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| 18:10.30 | gnarface | lol |
| 18:10.35 | ROKO__ | okay thanks |
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| 18:14.40 | The98 | gnarface, http://paste.debian.net/125810/ |
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| 18:15.25 | gnarface | The98: how long does it take to die the first time? can you verify that you have a connection to the outside that works during that time? |
| 18:15.27 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
| 18:15.52 | tobiasBora | I've a problem : I would like to communicate with a ISA Card |
| 18:16.02 | The98 | I have a wifi connection that keeps working, gnarface |
| 18:16.20 | tobiasBora | However, the linux driver is compiled for Kernel 2.4, and I've 2.6... |
| 18:16.26 | The98 | I don't no how long it takes for it to die, but I think it has something to do with renewal |
| 18:16.28 | The98 | not sure, though |
| 18:16.49 | quitte | tobiasBora: what card is that? |
| 18:16.59 | tobiasBora | How could I communacate with the Card ? BUS PCI ? |
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| 18:17.41 | gnarface | The98: are there lines between the ones you pasted? mabye it would be useful for you to pastebin your whole dmesg to be sure. also your /etc/network/interfaces file and we need to know if you have stuff like NetworkManager or dhcp installed |
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| 18:17.53 | tobiasBora | quitte : it is a 8255 card (ISA) : www.pci8255.com/linux/ |
| 18:17.55 | quitte | tobiasBora: if the card is really, really important you may be able to find pci to isa bridges |
| 18:18.34 | The98 | ok, ok |
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| 18:20.16 | Kromgol | Hello. If anyone could help me with this i would love you: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68239 |
| 18:20.25 | tobiasBora | quitte : the card is hand made... For the moment, we use it to light LED. But my card is plug... The problem is that I would like to communicate (for the moment, all LED are light. |
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| 18:20.46 | tobiasBora | (what is a bridges ? Is it material or software ?) |
| 18:20.53 | evilbulgarian | so i upgraded to testing and kernel 3.0 but seems i am missing the nouveau firmware files. anyone know where i can get those? |
| 18:21.24 | quitte | tobiasBora: do you even have an ISA slot? a bridge allows to connect a bus to another bus |
| 18:21.29 | negge | hi guys |
| 18:21.38 | gnarface | tobiasBora: bridge is material |
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| 18:22.05 | gnarface | tobiasBora: how hard would it be to port the driver to the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 18:22.21 | PrivateAlpha | Ok so it seems that my "unmet dependency" is perl5 |
| 18:22.27 | negge | I have a 4-disk RAID10 where one drive just filed with a bunch of bad sectors. I removed it from the array. Now another drive shows 4 pending sector remaps. If I pop in a brand new drive and do a resync, will it fail because of the bad sectors on the other drive? |
| 18:22.29 | gnarface | hey guys the 2.6 kernel like... still supports ISA right? |
| 18:22.44 | negge | s/filed/failed/ |
| 18:22.45 | quitte | sure does |
| 18:22.47 | tobiasBora | quitte: Yes, I've an ISA slot (it is an old computer). |
| 18:23.32 | jelly-home | but does ISA still support 2.6 |
| 18:23.41 | quitte | huh? |
| 18:23.43 | negge | so, should I overwrite the sectors with hdparm before I resync or should I just hope for the best? |
| 18:23.47 | sec-info | I want to know which drive to ping my server ? plz |
| 18:24.05 | tobiasBora | gnarface : I think, however, I don't know how tell which one of the LED has to light. |
| 18:24.11 | PrivateAlpha | How do you write errors to a file from terminal? |
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| 18:24.43 | newbie|4 | Hello, Do you guys know any application for linux that can check for errors in the hard drive? |
| 18:24.44 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: [command name] > [file] 2>&1 |
| 18:24.52 | PrivateAlpha | Thanks |
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| 18:25.04 | tobiasBora | gnarface: For the moment, all leds are light (it's when gdm starts that the LED light) and I would like choose wich one is on. |
| 18:25.13 | jelly-home | negge: I first hoped, then hdparm--write-sector'd after my hopes failed |
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| 18:25.25 | gnarface | tobiasBora: doesn't sound hard but its above my head |
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| 18:25.44 | quitte | tobiasBora: sounds like you already have a working driver??? |
| 18:25.51 | negge | jelly-home: okay. And then run a full fsck after the resync is done right? |
| 18:26.00 | sec-info | I want to know which drive to ping my server ? plz |
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| 18:26.16 | negge | I didn't have time to pick up a new drive today, I hope it'll last until tomorrow (I can't really take the array offlien) |
| 18:26.26 | negge | sec-info: what do you mean? |
| 18:26.46 | PrivateAlpha | Ok so i'm slowly moving forward: my problem now: http://pastebin.com/wvY1UPfE |
| 18:27.04 | quitte | sec-info: maybe drive doesn't mean what you think it does? |
| 18:27.25 | jelly-home | negge: fsck might be advisable |
| 18:27.27 | sec-info | my server is about to be DDos attacker. and I want to know who? |
| 18:27.39 | negge | jelly-home: okay |
| 18:27.47 | jelly-home | sec-info: about to be...? |
| 18:28.02 | jelly-home | did you like get advance warning? |
| 18:28.04 | quitte | facebook? that's not until november |
| 18:28.07 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: it clearly says it needs perl but perl isn't installed. did you try to install perl? (apt-get install perl) |
| 18:28.08 | negge | I'm not absolutely sure that the other drive failing is the one that mustn't fail, /proc/mdstat is about the most cryptic file on earth so I'm just guessing |
| 18:28.11 | tobiasBora | quitte : yes, it working because it works on windowd |
| 18:28.13 | valdyn | sec-info: do you think its wise to admit to a crime in here? |
| 18:28.13 | tobiasBora | *windows |
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| 18:28.22 | Kromgol | Hello. If anyone could help me with this i would love you: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68239 |
| 18:28.31 | quitte | tobiasBora: you are using gdm on windows? |
| 18:28.34 | PrivateAlpha | gnarface: but perl is installed :/ |
| 18:28.52 | jelly-home | PrivateAlpha: ah, but WHICH (version of) perl! |
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| 18:29.18 | sec-info | I just want to see how that enthusiasm to ping |
| 18:29.31 | PrivateAlpha | This is perl 5, version 12, subversion 4 (v5.12.4) built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-64int |
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| 18:29.48 | valdyn | negge: drives have a globally unique id, why do you think you cant identify the right one? |
| 18:29.51 | gnarface | valdyn: i think he means he is trying to figure out who is DDOSing him |
| 18:29.55 | tobiasBora | quitte : No ^^ I'll try to explain : I've a programm (in pascal) in windows who permit to choose witch LED is light. And I would like to do the same think in Linux |
| 18:30.00 | The98 | gnarface, http://paste.debian.net/125811/ http://paste.debian.net/125812/ http://paste.debian.net/125813/ |
| 18:30.09 | jelly-home | sec-info: your english is almost unintelligible... what's your native language? |
| 18:30.22 | sec-info | arabic. |
| 18:30.28 | sec-info | or franch |
| 18:30.30 | The98 | on interfaces, it does not work with allow-hotplug |
| 18:30.32 | sec-info | french |
| 18:30.32 | jelly-home | !fr |
| 18:30.32 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 18:30.45 | sec-info | ok tinks |
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| 18:31.01 | jelly-home | problem solved <g> |
| 18:31.09 | Devastator-work | o/ |
| 18:31.34 | tobiasBora | quitte : and when i start GDM, (on linux) debian must write on the ISA port (so it is possible) => LED light |
| 18:31.39 | negge | valdyn: maybe you can help me. This is the content of /proc/mdstat (http://pastebin.com/biNU6DC4). The removed drive was /dev/sdd and I assume it was number [1] |
| 18:31.54 | PrivateAlpha | So is there anyway to "show" apt-get where perl is? |
| 18:32.13 | sturmer_ | hello everybody, I was trying to create a physical volume with lvm2 on wheezy, but I get a strange error: "Can't open /dev/sda1 exclusively. Mounted filesystem?". I've googled around (there's a bug reported in redhat's BTS) and I'm in the process of reading the LVM HOWTO, but to no avail. Any idea what's wrong? |
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| 18:32.23 | valdyn | negge: and what is the problem? |
| 18:32.32 | sturmer_ | the command is "pvcreate /dev/sda1/" |
| 18:32.41 | gnarface | The98: is this a virtual server? is your ethernet device usb? |
| 18:32.42 | quitte | tobiasBora: the graphics card is isa,too? |
| 18:32.48 | mjt | sturmer_: how about mount | grep sda1 ?? |
| 18:32.51 | negge | valdyn: if disc sde1[0] fails, will the whole array fail? |
| 18:33.02 | The98 | no, it is an ethernet card |
| 18:33.12 | The98 | with a router |
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| 18:33.18 | quitte | tobiasBora: i don't see a reason why gdm or X would have to write to your io card |
| 18:33.24 | sturmer_ | mjt, /dev/sda1 is mounted on / |
| 18:33.38 | valdyn | negge: thats probably in the docs, but you can also just try and see |
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| 18:33.40 | mjt | sturmer_: there you go, exactly as pvcreate said |
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| 18:33.56 | mjt | sturmer_: you can't use the same space for two purposes |
| 18:33.57 | valdyn | negge: not just right now, but after you made sure all pending writes are commited |
| 18:34.01 | sturmer_ | mjt, and i tried to umount it |
| 18:34.03 | tobiasBora | quitte : I think no... ISA slot is a big black slot ? |
| 18:34.20 | quitte | yes |
| 18:34.20 | mjt | sturmer_: and sure it does not work because it is where your whole system resides |
| 18:34.34 | sturmer_ | mjt, infact |
| 18:34.42 | wols_ | tobiasBora: can't be said anymore since mobo makers use all kinds of colors for their products. do you know what mainboard or what cpu you have? |
| 18:34.46 | gnarface | The98: is 848 where you ifdown/ifup eth0? |
| 18:34.47 | sturmer_ | mjt, i tried to umount it (naively) |
| 18:35.13 | negge | valdyn: according to some novell document about mdadm I read, the default layout would mean that block 0 would be written to the two first discs, and block 1 to the two others, which (afaik) would mean that if my /dev/sde fails, the array will fail completely |
| 18:35.16 | tobiasBora | quitte : GDM write in the IO card (-> all LEDs are on), but Terminal too : at the beginning, only one is light. |
| 18:35.29 | sturmer_ | mjt, but then, how can i create a logical volume on my /? |
| 18:35.34 | valdyn | negge: right |
| 18:35.37 | mjt | sturmer_: you can't |
| 18:35.49 | quitte | tobiasBora: sounds like a ressource conflict to me. |
| 18:35.52 | sturmer_ | mjt: ah, cool |
| 18:36.00 | mjt | sturmer_: it involves moving or reinstalling your system |
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| 18:36.32 | quitte | tobiasBora: do you know the io dma and irq the card is set to? then you could compare with /proc/ |
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| 18:36.33 | negge | valdyn: I'm a little afraid of "testing" whether it's the case or not :p |
| 18:36.37 | The98 | gnarface, you mean 648? |
| 18:36.38 | mjt | sturmer_: it's like re-creating a filesystem where your system is installed (eg if you want to go from ext4 to xfs or whatnot) |
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| 18:37.05 | gnarface | The98: can you pastebin the output of ifconfig -a before the network dies, after it dies, and after you've restarted it? also, did you say there is a wifi card AND an ethernet card in here? so you have actually two ethernet devices in the box? |
| 18:37.07 | valdyn | negge: as i said, you can break the raid and fix it by simply removing and readding devices |
| 18:37.17 | sturmer_ | mjt: i had the suspicion, but i wanted some support :) thank you |
| 18:37.22 | valdyn | negge: just dont do it while writes might be pending |
| 18:37.22 | gnarface | The98: no i meant line 848 on your dmesg paste: http://paste.debian.net/125812/ this one |
| 18:37.31 | negge | valdyn: how do I know that writes aren't pending? |
| 18:37.32 | tobiasBora | quitte : Please, could you tell "sounds like a ressource conflict to me" with other words ? I don't know sounds (for me it's music ^^) |
| 18:37.33 | The98 | yes, |
| 18:37.40 | valdyn | negge: nothing on it is mounted |
| 18:37.43 | PrivateAlpha | "So is there anyway to "show" apt-get where perl is?" help? :< |
| 18:37.45 | negge | okay |
| 18:37.48 | zastaph | how come aptitude search topic always keeps a minimuum tabbed length to where the comments start? and the comments don't wrap. If the returned package names are short, it could utilize the void space |
| 18:38.04 | The98 | I don't know if that's when I ifdown, probably |
| 18:38.09 | negge | PrivateAlpha: so you have installed perl manually, aka. not using apt-get? |
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| 18:38.27 | The98 | gnarface, my router is a wifi router, but the PC only has one onboard eth card |
| 18:38.28 | valdyn | negge: and use --re-add, though thats probably automatic anyway when you just use -add |
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| 18:38.29 | quitte | tobiasBora: do you remember when you had to set jumpers on cards to make them work? |
| 18:38.42 | PrivateAlpha | negge: no but it seems apt-get doesn't know where perl is |
| 18:38.54 | quitte | tobiasBora: and the serial port and parallel port always getting in the way of your shiny new hardware? |
| 18:39.01 | negge | PrivateAlpha: what if you run "apt-get install perl" |
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| 18:39.30 | negge | valdyn: yeah I know. I think I'll just wait until I get a new drive tomorrow, attempt a resync and if it doesn't work I overwrite the bad sectors on that one drive and resync again |
| 18:40.01 | gnarface | The98: my theory is still that dhcp is choking you somehow, but we need evidence. the /var/log/daemon.log file i *think* is where the dhcpd would log, so that might be worth checking for errors |
| 18:40.26 | The98 | ok, I'll check that, gnarface |
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| 18:40.50 | The98 | I think the problem is related with some packages that are present from the Squeeze install and that are messing everything up |
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| 18:40.58 | tobiasBora | quitte : I know witch one is the card : I tape : lspci and I see it |
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| 18:41.11 | gnarface | The98: i can imagine that if say, there was another computer connected to the same router that is statically configured to the same ip you're getting from dhcpd by default, you might see the problem you are having ... but yea dueling dhcp client daemons could do it too probably |
| 18:41.14 | PrivateAlpha | negge: then this happens: http://pastebin.com/EHXKx6mv |
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| 18:41.31 | quitte | tobiasBora: if you can see it with lspci it's not isa |
| 18:41.38 | The98 | I don't have dhcpd installed |
| 18:41.48 | The98 | anyway, the other computer is off right now |
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| 18:42.50 | gnarface | The98: didn't http://paste.debian.net/125811/ show a ton of dhcp stuff installed? i meant dhcpcd (or any dhcp client daemon, you have a ton of dhcp crap obviously) |
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| 18:43.32 | gnarface | The98: honestly if you only have 2 computers to manage you might want to consider setting them both up with static IP addresses to see if the problem goes away. dhcp == just more moving parts to break |
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| 18:44.30 | Laberkopf | http://pastebin.com/fnrNxEMC |
| 18:44.34 | Laberkopf | where is my problem? |
| 18:44.40 | The98 | gnarface, you mean setting it up using the router? I mean, my internet provider has a service that uses dynamic IP |
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| 18:45.00 | gnarface | The98: if the problem goes away when you disable dhcp and use a static ip then you know the culprit at least... that way you can distinguish this problem from say... flaky ethernet cables or ports (i've seen them wear out before, though its rare) |
| 18:45.19 | micols | Laberkopf: seems there is no FS on the blueray? |
| 18:45.25 | tobiasBora | quitte : However, my dad say it was ISA... On my computer I've to slots : a long black slot (with the card) and a short white slot (with graphical card) |
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| 18:45.44 | tobiasBora | *two type of slots |
| 18:45.47 | The98 | gnarface, if the cable is the problem, why does it work when you run ifupdown? :S |
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| 18:45.55 | gnarface | The98: uh... no that's not what i meant. my advice assumed your computer has a private ip and the wifi router you referred to is providing you a NAT |
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| 18:46.36 | gnarface | The98: coincidence and electrical hysteresis cause all kinds of gremlins. i didn't say it was likely, i said it was possible and i've seen it. your problem is *probably* dhcp |
| 18:46.37 | Laberkopf | micols: the problem is that it is not a blu ray nor a cd its an usb stick which worked fine with ubuntu o.O |
| 18:46.38 | PrivateAlpha | So.. anyway to give apt-get a pointer to perl? :/ |
| 18:46.41 | quitte | tobiasBora: please put the output of lspci in a pastebin. sure sounds a lot like isa. might be possible that lspci gained support for isa pnp cards for some reason |
| 18:46.48 | tobiasBora | quitte : can you tell me wich one is ISA ? |
| 18:47.08 | tobiasBora | quitte => I'll do it |
| 18:47.11 | quitte | long black with bigger spacing between the connecting pads is isa |
| 18:47.28 | tobiasBora | So card is ISA |
| 18:48.16 | gnarface | The98: so are you telling me the eth0 on this box, when operational, has a PUBLIC ip? |
| 18:48.22 | The98 | gnarface, I don't have a lot of dhcp crap installed http://paste.debian.net/125819/ |
| 18:48.39 | tobiasBora | quitte : what is "sounds" ? |
| 18:49.10 | quitte | "looks like" or "appears to be" |
| 18:49.13 | The98 | gnarface, I'm not sure what a public IP is... |
| 18:49.22 | tobiasBora | quitte : thanks ^^ |
| 18:49.29 | tobiasBora | like seems ? |
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| 18:49.33 | quitte | tobiasBora: as in i'm listening to the words you type |
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| 18:50.30 | gnarface | The98: just pastebin the output of ifconfig -a both before and after the failure. if you wan to change the ip addresses to protect your identity don't change the first 2 octets, so we can tell whether they are public or private at least |
| 18:51.07 | gnarface | The98: the other post you had showed many dhcp things at least once installed... so your theory about cruft from squeeze colliding with sid is valid with regards to dhcp |
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| 18:51.32 | quitte | tobiasBora: isa configuration is a pita. i guess your best bad is to just use windows as that already works. i doubt anyone remembers isapnp so if it's a pnp card you are likely to be on your own. |
| 18:51.46 | Kromgol | Hello. If anyone could help me with this i would love you: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68239 |
| 18:52.20 | gnarface | The98 fyi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_IP_addresses (so you know how to tell for yourself) |
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| 18:53.05 | tobiasBora | quitte: http://pastebin.com/k5KTZNkK |
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| 18:53.19 | Craigwd_2000 | TobisaBora: if it's a PnP ISA sound card you could always try swapping cards around to eliminate resource conflicts... |
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| 18:54.04 | tobiasBora | quitte: ISA is here... |
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| 18:54.22 | The98 | ok, gnarface, I'm gonna have to reset and wait until internet dies |
| 18:54.36 | The98 | gnarface, is there any way to clean what squeeze might have left behind? |
| 18:54.55 | quitte | tobiasBora: 00:07.0 is a device connected to the pci bus that provides an isa bus. it is not your card, however |
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| 18:55.40 | gnarface | The98: well if you dpkg --purge [package name] it should completely clean that package out... but there could be issues, especially if your squeeze package tree was already broken or not fully updated when you upgraded to sid |
| 18:56.01 | tobiasBora | thanks, I've to left... Thanks , see you later ^^ |
| 18:56.02 | gnarface | The98: the important first step is to identify stuff that doesn't belong there |
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| 18:56.24 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
| 18:56.40 | gnarface | The98: actually i lied. the important first step is to diagnose and fix the problem. worry about the rest of the harmless cruft later |
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| 18:57.43 | The98 | gnarface, I don't understand why there's "package renaming" I think you should be able to upgrade from etch to sid if you wanted, maybe not that far, but you get the idea |
| 18:58.14 | gnarface | The98: you've never written software, have you? |
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| 18:58.48 | gnarface | The98: there was an upgrade manual btw. you probably should have at least skimmed it. :-/ |
| 18:59.39 | gnarface | The98: things you never do in debian unless you want trouble: 1) skip a release during upgrade 2) downgrade |
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| 19:00.16 | ak70 | hi, guys. I just installed Debian on a new machine, and the command 'reboot' does not behave the same as I am used to. It reboots the machine by starting a new kernel but it does not seem to re-initialize everything. Does anyone have an idea about it? |
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| 19:00.33 | quitte | ak70: sounds like kexec |
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| 19:00.38 | The98 | gnarface, I think you could accomplish release skiping if the packages had the same name |
| 19:00.39 | gnarface | ak70: ooh ooh i think i know this one... coldreboot i think? |
| 19:00.54 | The98 | gnarface, but I don't write software, I might be wrong |
| 19:00.59 | The98 | anyway, I'll reboot |
| 19:01.10 | ak70 | gnarface, let me check |
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| 19:01.39 | gnarface | ak70: i'm not sure its installed by default. you may have to get it |
| 19:01.41 | Jef91 | Where can I get a netinstall image for debian testing from? |
| 19:02.15 | gnarface | Jef91: its not advised you know unless you want to help debug the installer. you'd have much better luck installing a minimal base stable and then upgrading to testing |
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| 19:03.20 | quitte | since when is information here conditional? Jef91 asked a simple question. www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 19:03.32 | The98 | there, I'll do ifconfig -a |
| 19:03.52 | gnarface | The98: fyi the package renaming is usually because the configs and internals are different enough that problems would arise |
| 19:04.23 | gnarface | The98: sometimes its an entirely new piece of software to serve the same purpose |
| 19:04.31 | The98 | I guess it there are good reasons behind it |
| 19:04.34 | Jef91 | thanks quitte |
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| 19:04.59 | gnarface | The98: so wait your network has not died yet? you've yet to have to ifdown/ifup to get it back? |
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| 19:05.14 | The98 | gnarface, it dies after a while |
| 19:05.21 | gnarface | The98: interesting |
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| 19:05.34 | The98 | gnarface, I think after renewal |
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| 19:05.55 | gnarface | The98: well try to get the output of ifconfig -a 3 times if possible, 1) now, 2) after it dies 3) after you reset it |
| 19:06.19 | gnarface | The98: i'll brb |
| 19:06.26 | The98 | gnarface, anyway, I have a router that gives the PC a static IP, should I put that in interfaces? |
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| 19:06.38 | gnarface | The98: hell yes. dhcp is for suckers |
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| 19:07.49 | quitte | gnarface: uhm i think that dhcp servers don't like having machines use their ips without a lease. |
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| 19:07.51 | mjt | how stuff like iscsi or FC/multipath mounts is usually configured? For example, multipath gets initialized _after_ /etc/fstab gets processed, so fsck complains about missing devices and the whole boot process stops. |
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| 19:08.30 | valdyn | mjt: theres 2 or more runs over fstab |
| 19:08.33 | quitte | mjt: that sounds like a bug |
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| 19:09.00 | mjt | should i mark the filesystems in question with something like _netdev ? |
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| 19:09.07 | The98 | gnarface, about package names... Wouldn't it be useful to create a preinstall script that removes everthing so the name can be maintend?? |
| 19:09.35 | mjt | or maybe put stuff into initrd? |
| 19:09.45 | valdyn | The98: this is by far not the only issue with upgrades |
| 19:10.10 | quitte | mjt: if you don't want to mount / from it it doesn't have to be in the initramfs |
| 19:10.18 | valdyn | The98: fact is that debian does not even try to cover upgrading to anything but the immidiately following release |
| 19:10.47 | valdyn | The98: if you want to fix the bugs with upgrading to next+x, feel free to do so |
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| 19:11.11 | mjt | quitte: sure thing it don't have to be there, but that's a workaround to ensure the device is here when it's needed. |
| 19:11.43 | quitte | mjt: usually the network isn't setup from the initrd so that won't help |
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| 19:11.45 | gnarface | The98: the short answer is that it would be, and is, and that's exactly what debian does it just doesn't do it very well if you skip releases |
| 19:11.47 | The98 | valdyn, ok, I don't think I'll be able to do that :P |
| 19:12.12 | mjt | quitte: i can configure network there too, that's not a problem ;) |
| 19:12.24 | quitte | mjt: as long as the initscript runs before the mount all thingie it should work fine |
| 19:12.26 | valdyn | The98: complexity in a situation like this grows exponentially, that is why no one would seriously try this |
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| 19:13.09 | nitzs | I installed the 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae kernel using backports. After trying 'startx', Xorg.0.log contained: http://pastebin.com/TPgrNSW7. What am I supposed to do? |
| 19:13.11 | gnarface | The98: another thing that occurs to me is that you could be having a situation like you are experiencing if you had two warring dhcp servers giving your box conflicting info. not saying thats the issue, just saying its possible |
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| 19:14.20 | The98 | gnarface, nfs could have something to do with it? |
| 19:14.36 | gnarface | The98: uh... hmm. can't really imagine how |
| 19:15.01 | The98 | ok |
| 19:15.09 | mjt | in /etc/rcS.d/ i see S08multipath-tools-boot, S09checkfs.sh and S10mountall.sh - so it appears multipathd just has not enough time to create all the devices before fsck... |
| 19:15.35 | mjt | (S10mountall.sh actually mounts it, it's just fsck that complains) |
| 19:16.15 | mjt | the whole /etc/fstab think appears to be wrong interface nowadays with everything dynamic :) |
| 19:16.21 | mjt | s/think/thing/ |
| 19:16.38 | quitte | mjt: what exactly is the complaint? |
| 19:16.48 | mjt | ENOENT |
| 19:16.54 | The98 | gnarface, I tried to purge the packages you mentioned (marked as "v") but I can't because they aren't instaleld |
| 19:17.34 | quitte | mjt: ok. was thinking you may be missing the filesystem-utils for that particular filesystem |
| 19:17.56 | mjt | it's ext4, the same as on root and other fses |
| 19:18.11 | quitte | mjt: maybe add a little sleep into S08? |
| 19:18.19 | mjt | that helps |
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| 19:18.50 | gnarface | The98: yea i guess some packages would need to be re-installed before they could be properly purged. since they may still be squeeze packages this may not be possible from sid... you've kindof painted yourself into a corner on that one. lets try to address the weird network behavior first, maybe they are not the issue (if you're lucky) |
| 19:18.57 | mjt | next day it will take a bit more to complete the discovery, for whatever reason, and it'll fail again. |
| 19:19.18 | The98 | gnarface, I have aptitude's log |
| 19:19.30 | quitte | mjt: then figure out a way to check wether it's ready and put that in instead |
| 19:19.47 | mjt | i think i'll go for dynamic checking/mounting from udev rules |
| 19:19.49 | gnarface | The98: did you find any dhcp entries in /var/log/daemon.log? |
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| 19:20.53 | gnarface | The98: i forget which file dhcp logs to by default but there might be useful info from your dhcp client daemon in there at the time the network fails |
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| 19:21.41 | quitte | i'd guess syslog |
| 19:21.55 | The98 | I don't see anything useful there |
| 19:22.37 | gnarface | this might help: zgrep -ni 'dhcp' /var/log/* |
| 19:22.45 | nitzs | can anyone please help? |
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| 19:23.54 | Percoles | nitzs: Just ask |
| 19:24.17 | nitzs | I installed the 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae kernel using backports. After trying 'startx', Xorg.0.log contained: http://pastebin.com/TPgrNSW7. What am I supposed to do? |
| 19:24.38 | quitte | The98: do you loose your ip address or are you assigned a new one? |
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| 19:25.30 | The98 | I have no idea quitte I'll check it when it dies |
| 19:27.16 | quitte | nitzs: newer nouveau drivers use kms. so the problem may be that the kernel's dri interface doesn't match your xserver. why do you want a backported kernel? |
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| 19:27.58 | The98 | nitzs, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers maybe that can be useful... |
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| 19:28.28 | nitzs | quitte, I use a VGA monitor and int the default 2.6.32 kernel, there are alignment issues. |
| 19:28.33 | gnarface | nitzs: you may need the backported xorg as well. they changed something big |
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| 19:28.52 | quitte | nitzs: alignment? |
| 19:29.11 | gnarface | nitzs: you're running without an xorg.conf aren't you? |
| 19:29.16 | quitte | nitzs: as in the picture is shifted to the left/right? |
| 19:29.23 | nitzs | yes |
| 19:29.31 | nitzs | gnarface, yes |
| 19:29.37 | quitte | nitzs: if that's the case use xvidtune to create proper modelines |
| 19:29.39 | gnarface | xorg autodetect blows for CRT's |
| 19:30.06 | quitte | usually crts have a menu to fix the alignment or dials or something.... |
| 19:30.25 | gnarface | yea but if xorg isn't detecting the proper refresh range it won't be easy to get it right |
| 19:30.39 | quitte | gnarface: give xvidtune a try. |
| 19:30.59 | gnarface | quitte: tell nitzs, i already have my xorg.conf locked and loaded. |
| 19:31.08 | quitte | gnarface: the aignment problem is in x? |
| 19:31.08 | nitzs | quitte, yeah, but i also have other OSs installed so shifting the screen everytime i boot into debian is a chore. |
| 19:31.11 | quitte | sorry |
| 19:31.42 | quitte | nitzs: using a different kernel is unlikely to help with x anyways |
| 19:31.50 | gnarface | nitzs: you probably should have tried to fix the problem with a carefully hand crafted xorg.conf before you went with a backported kernel, sorry to tell you that. :( |
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| 19:32.20 | nitzs | quitte, when i had installed the liquorix kernel, there were no issues. so i thought updating the kernel might help. |
| 19:32.38 | The98 | nvidia-xconfig ? |
| 19:32.42 | quitte | nitzs: try xvidtune |
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| 19:33.32 | nitzs | The98, isn't that for the proprietary driver? |
| 19:33.57 | The98 | nitzs, yes, do you not want that? |
| 19:34.03 | nitzs | no |
| 19:34.05 | The98 | ok |
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| 19:34.19 | quitte | gnarface: for me the xorg crt detection always worked like a charm. my guess would be that the other os is using worse refresh rates |
| 19:34.20 | nitzs | quitte, i'll try xvidtune. |
| 19:34.21 | gnarface | nitzs: it is but there is an equivalent command for the open source one too. you can get xorg to generate a best-guess xorg.conf and then tweak it from there. that's what i always do with my crt's and projectors |
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| 19:34.53 | gnarface | quitte: ymmv ... kindof depends on how old the CRT's are and how broken their EDID reporting is |
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| 19:35.44 | gnarface | quitte: also the problems tend to be more common approaching the max resolution supported by the display |
| 19:35.44 | quitte | gnarface: i've seen so many crts running at 60Hz .... |
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| 19:36.26 | devilchaos | hi guys hows it goin? |
| 19:36.30 | gnarface | quitte: the idea that the *other* os is the one using the wrong rates IS a valid one. |
| 19:36.47 | gnarface | quitte: i've seen a lot of windows users who didn't know you need to load a monitor driver too |
| 19:37.05 | quitte | which is crazy stupid. after all there's edid |
| 19:37.11 | gnarface | agreed |
| 19:37.53 | quitte | win7 still insists to install a new driver for every usb key. i have no idea how that could possibly make sense |
| 19:37.54 | nitzs | quitte, the other OS is crunchbang. |
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| 19:38.07 | quitte | nitzs: what? |
| 19:38.36 | devilchaos | quitte: so why does it do that? |
| 19:38.51 | ompaul | devilchaos: I take it you are at a conference |
| 19:39.00 | devilchaos | why? |
| 19:39.04 | ompaul | nick |
| 19:39.07 | brevit | when printing PDFs with epdfview (over CUPS) on a USB connected printer the formatting is screwed up and there is loads of text printed over other text; although everything looks normal within epdfview. What is going on? |
| 19:39.15 | devilchaos | eh? |
| 19:39.23 | ompaul | ahh you're not then |
| 19:39.37 | quitte | devilchaos: i don't know. at least it doesn't require a reboot. so i guess everything's fine with that. |
| 19:39.47 | devilchaos | no im not why do u think im at a conference? |
| 19:40.03 | ompaul | the tail on your nic |
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| 19:40.21 | devilchaos | dude sorry uv lost me tail? |
| 19:40.27 | ompaul | chaos |
| 19:40.43 | ompaul | I thought they had a conference this week |
| 19:40.48 | quitte | maybe it's to make the user feel good because windows made a new piece work automatically or something |
| 19:40.49 | devilchaos | no its just my nick |
| 19:41.07 | devilchaos | quitte:lol |
| 19:41.11 | gnarface | brevit: without seeing the printout its hard to say based just on that description but i'd guess probably the cups driver isn't set to the right dpi for the printer, or else you're loading the wrong/a broken driver |
| 19:41.18 | ompaul | devilchaos: ahh ok I got you mixed up with someone |
| 19:41.36 | ompaul | and thought it was a bit strange he would do that to his nic |
| 19:41.45 | ompaul | goes back to -ot |
| 19:42.06 | devilchaos | i c |
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| 19:43.54 | quitte | brevit: does that happen with all pdfs? i have a couple of pdfs that will crash my printer when trying to print two pages on one - that's why i |
| 19:43.58 | quitte | 'm asking |
| 19:44.38 | gnarface | printers can run out of ram too, but that's not what this sounds like |
| 19:44.44 | mjt | crash your printer? That's.. wrong :) |
| 19:45.08 | gnarface | yea sure print a 100MB pdf to a cheap-o printer with only 8MB of ram --- KERBLAMMMO |
| 19:45.11 | ompaul | your driver is not talking to your printer correctly that is a regular people |
| 19:45.12 | quitte | mjt: want the pdf? it works on a different os/printer combination, too |
| 19:45.28 | ompaul | s/people/problem/ |
| 19:45.49 | mjt | how it's a problem? |
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| 19:46.28 | ompaul | the driver should cause the print job to buffer back up, pick the wrong one and it can (as I discovered recently) forget to talk to the printer and understand when the ram is full |
| 19:46.48 | quitte | mjt: it's a waste of paper and pretty annoying to power cycle a printer that takes 5 min to boot |
| 19:47.11 | mjt | i used to produce booklets and books out of postscript documents using pstools, -- even 10 years ago on a printer that had some 4Mb of memory it worked just fine... |
| 19:47.41 | rynx | Anyone know where the hostname is stored? |
| 19:47.49 | quitte | etc/hostname |
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| 19:48.02 | gnarface | if not present it tries to determine it from /etc/hosts right? |
| 19:48.18 | gnarface | or is that the old behavior? |
| 19:48.22 | rynx | Ah, the obvious place |
| 19:48.44 | devilchaos | can someone give me a run down of what the new debian is like i seriously need to get it back on one of my systems am a kubuntu convert at the mo |
| 19:48.53 | rynx | Should I beworried that sudo warns me "unable to resolve host debianx" and my hostname is debian? |
| 19:49.09 | devilchaos | at least its debian at the core |
| 19:49.11 | mjt | gnarface: if not present it is not being set, leaving kernel default (usually "(none)", can be configured in 3.0+) |
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| 19:49.33 | quitte | gnarface: etc/hostname might be old behaviour. i'm in front of fedora now and noticed that i have no idea how it gets its hostname |
| 19:49.50 | gnarface | rynx: should you be worried? no. should you fix it? yes. set your /etc/hostname file AND your /etc/hosts correctly and you won't have problems on the next reboot |
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| 19:50.11 | ompaul | devilchaos: install it from a netinstall NOTE click off the desktop install, and then later you can come back and install plasma desktops and so on |
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| 19:50.24 | quitte | sysconfig/network on fedora in case anyone cares |
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| 19:50.48 | gnarface | quitte: since this is #debian, no we don't :-p |
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| 19:51.20 | rynx | gnarface: they are the same; a quick grep tells me in /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases my hostname is being set to debianx for wlan0, though not for the other interfaces |
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| 19:51.37 | nitzs | quitte, i tried using xvidtune. But for every value I try, I get a message that the requested mode-line is not supported. |
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| 19:52.21 | quitte | nitzs: what do you mean by value? the arrows don't work to move the screen around? |
| 19:52.28 | gnarface | rynx: oh you're using dhcp? that adds a whole other layer of drama |
| 19:52.51 | devilchaos | so heres what i think is a silly question but al ask anyway is debian now up to speed as far as to say with ubuntu because thats y i changed ? |
| 19:53.03 | rynx | Hmm. It hasn't happened before, perhaps it will just go away when I reboot :P |
| 19:53.04 | nitzs | quitte, no, they don't. |
| 19:53.37 | gnarface | devilchaos: its not a silly question but you're gonna need to quantify "up to speed" because many of the things debian considers improvement are the opposite of what ubuntu considers improvement |
| 19:53.40 | quitte | nitzs: is there a /etc/xorg.conf in your crashbang linux? |
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| 19:54.11 | DexterF | hi. |
| 19:54.15 | nitzs | no. crashbang? |
| 19:54.33 | quitte | nitzs: if there was maybe that'd just work. in any case i'm having trouble understanding why the kernel would make a difference |
| 19:54.34 | gnarface | rynx: or maybe someone changed your dhcp server and forgot to update the dns to match. |
| 19:54.42 | quitte | nitzs: whatever the name of your other os is |
| 19:54.57 | devilchaos | like configuration wise autoconfigs and more up to date software as in i was using iseweasel for browsing as i couldnt get firefox ? |
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| 19:55.32 | nitzs | the liquorix kernel works proper. |
| 19:55.42 | DexterF | wheezy with 3.0 kernel, vmware workstation 7: creating a new vm and starting it makes ws7 hang and only display a white rectangle of 800x600. got one patch applied already but that did not seem to work too well. help? |
| 19:55.46 | devilchaos | maybe just stanbbing in the dark with these question maybe better to try install to find out is there live cd's? |
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| 19:55.57 | devilchaos | stabbing * |
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| 19:56.07 | quitte | nitzs: why don't you use it then? |
| 19:56.26 | devilchaos | hi dexter |
| 19:56.28 | nitzs | quitte, it has problems with the xv video output. |
| 19:56.33 | gnarface | devilchaos: this is the part where i'd normally launch into a monologue/tirade to try to reset your perception of value but i'm too tired right now. debian has less hand holding but more quality. ubuntu has purposefully sacrificed quality to be able to afford hand-holding. you just have to live with it. (or not) |
| 19:57.08 | devilchaos | ah ok appreciate ur insight |
| 19:57.12 | devilchaos | :) |
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| 19:57.24 | gnarface | devilchaos: also fyi you can always get the official firefox install and put it in debian. |
| 19:57.44 | gnarface | devilchaos: but take it from me - iceweasel has a better security record |
| 19:57.47 | devilchaos | yeah that thought had crossed my mind |
| 19:58.00 | babilen | devilchaos: And you can also easily track mozilla's release, beta and aurora channel via http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 19:58.09 | devilchaos | yeah but wouldnt work with internet banking for me |
| 19:58.23 | gnarface | devilchaos: ouch man. switch to bofa |
| 19:58.26 | babilen | devilchaos: You can change the user agent (UA switcher) |
| 19:58.35 | Kromgol | I would love if anyone could help me get my sound card working or identify the problem for me. More info here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68239 |
| 19:58.36 | devilchaos | how? |
| 19:58.59 | gnarface | devilchaos: there is an addon that makes it easy but i think you can manually change it in about:config somewhere too |
| 19:59.33 | quitte | nitzs: is there a xorg backport to match the kernel? |
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| 20:00.04 | babilen | devilchaos: I would recommend https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/ |
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| 20:00.49 | nitzs | quitte, i just checked for that "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install xorg", but didn't find any updates. |
| 20:01.13 | hay | hi all... I woult like to install isc dhcpd v4 via apt-get install, but I always get a message that it doesn't exist when doing apt-get install dhcp4-server or apt-get install isc-dhcp-server... how can I install it? |
| 20:01.51 | quitte | Kromgol: try putting it in a different pci slot |
| 20:01.58 | babilen | nitzs: xorg is not in backports |
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| 20:03.46 | quitte | nitzs: i just joined #nouveau |
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| 20:04.18 | nitzs | quitte, okay. |
| 20:04.52 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 20:08.30 | tdn | Is there an easy way to enable automatic updates/security updates with Debian? I.e. to have apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y run every day unattended? |
| 20:09.07 | devilchaos | cron job do for that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^? |
| 20:09.31 | abrotman | judd: info cron-apt --release squeeze |
| 20:09.32 | devilchaos | not sure how to set a cron job though |
| 20:09.33 | judd | Package cron-apt (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: automatic update of packages using apt-get. Version: 0.8.2; Size: 26.4k; Installed: 96k |
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| 20:10.00 | devilchaos | hey abrotman hows things? |
| 20:10.11 | abrotman | awful, i ate a toad |
| 20:10.31 | devilchaos | lol sounds interesting what colour was it? |
| 20:10.33 | amphi | how careless |
| 20:10.49 | amphi | you're meant to just lick them |
| 20:11.18 | Kromgol | I would love if anyone could help me get my sound card working or identify the problem for me. More info here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=68239 |
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| 20:12.12 | gnarface | abrotman: do they taste just like chicken? |
| 20:12.28 | abrotman | Kromgol: tried another PCI slot? |
| 20:12.38 | abrotman | Kromgol: also, lspci -nn would be more useful |
| 20:12.38 | Kromgol | abrotman: Yes. |
| 20:12.58 | Kromgol | In Windows atm, will do it later and post the output. |
| 20:13.05 | Kromgol | What's the difference? |
| 20:13.09 | abrotman | you can get the PCI ID from windows |
| 20:13.31 | Kromgol | abrotman: How? |
| 20:13.34 | quitte | nitzs: /join #nouveau |
| 20:13.48 | gnarface | Kromgol: here's my blind shot in the dark: check the module options available. its possible autodetect is failing and you have to pass a specific form factor/model number at load time for it to work. there's a couple dozen sb live! profiles in the driver but about a billion fragmented OEM revisions of the reference board |
| 20:13.56 | abrotman | Kromgol: device manager has a place where it lists the VEND_ID etc |
| 20:14.33 | Kromgol | gnarface: Well, it isn't a SB live! card, or? |
| 20:14.47 | gnarface | Kromgol: it IS but no two are alike.... |
| 20:14.59 | Kromgol | Hm |
| 20:15.23 | gnarface | Kromgol: that driver covers sb live cards with a varying array of input/output channels and jack orderings |
| 20:15.35 | gnarface | Kromgol: it only USUALLY picks the right one |
| 20:16.08 | tdn | devilchaos, how would you do that via cron? I am not sure it is safe to actually just run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y" via cron. |
| 20:16.09 | Kromgol | abrotman: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0004&CC_0401, so it should be 1102 and 0004 i guess for vender id and device id |
| 20:16.22 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1102:0004 |
| 20:16.23 | judd | [1102:0004] is 'SB Audigy' from 'Creative Labs' with kernel module 'snd-emu10k1' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0004 http://wiki.debian.org/snd-emu10k1 and the out-of-tree 'snd-emu10k1' module. |
| 20:16.30 | abrotman | cute |
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| 20:16.46 | abrotman | Kromgol: and you can't find any errors relating to -5 on the internets? |
| 20:17.03 | Kromgol | abrotman: No. |
| 20:17.07 | Kromgol | I've searched for hours |
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| 20:17.48 | Kromgol | And that wiki doesn't reflect my issues.. Just shows you how to install alsa |
| 20:17.56 | gnarface | all i know for sure is i ripped something that was labeled a creative labs live! card out of an old dell (clearly a cheaper revision than the ones you'd buy for 200$ in the platinum colored box) and i had to poke at module parameters for days just to get the 5.1 sound to come out the right jacks so that the speakers were in the right position, and even then i had to plug two into the "wrong" jacks |
| 20:18.18 | abrotman | Kromgol: was there another sound device in the machine? |
| 20:18.27 | Kromgol | No. I disabled the onboard sound. |
| 20:18.30 | abrotman | Kromgol: can you get to linux? or does it have to wait til later? |
| 20:18.48 | Kromgol | Well i could, but that means i would have to DC from here for a while. |
| 20:18.51 | Kromgol | What do you want me to do? |
| 20:19.13 | kNC | How many of you use Linux as your main support of computers |
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| 20:19.25 | abrotman | kNC: that's not english |
| 20:19.33 | jhutchins_lt | kNC: Windowless since 2004 |
| 20:19.33 | gnarface | kNC: me. this guy right here. |
| 20:19.34 | abrotman | Kromgol: we want logs and information :) |
| 20:19.41 | Kromgol | abrotman: What logs and info? :P |
| 20:19.43 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: living in a hovel ? |
| 20:19.47 | amphi | kNC: support? I only use debian here |
| 20:19.52 | kNC | abrotman, yes it is. im sorry you dont understand.. |
| 20:20.00 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: bunker! |
| 20:20.01 | abrotman | kNC: it's really not |
| 20:20.18 | gnarface | kNC: what he's saying is your grammar makes your question ambiguous |
| 20:20.45 | kNC | abrotman, how come every time i speak in here, you have a sarcastic comment. go out and play with girls! |
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| 20:20.58 | gnarface | haha |
| 20:21.02 | gnarface | braces for impact |
| 20:21.03 | abrotman | kNC: uhm, maybe you shouldn't speak as much? |
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| 20:21.18 | abrotman | Kromgol: dmesg/messages/syslog/lspci .. should i keep going ? |
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| 20:21.39 | Kromgol | abrotman: Wait. |
| 20:21.45 | kNC | abrotman: no i can speak. you just are weak |
| 20:21.55 | gnarface | Kromgol: here's what we want you to do: get your network running in linux so you can come in here and we can tell you commands as you feed us the responses |
| 20:22.01 | abrotman | yeah .. he speaks english very well .. |
| 20:22.05 | jhutchins_lt | kNC: If sarcasm bothers you, you really need to stay off the internet. |
| 20:22.12 | abrotman | Kromgol: does your network not work in linux either? |
| 20:22.18 | Kromgol | gnarface: It's working already, i was just lazy to get irssi installed lol |
| 20:22.23 | Kromgol | Brb then |
| 20:22.31 | kNC | jhutchins_lt: sarcasm doesnt bother me. abrotman and his childish remarks do. |
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| 20:22.54 | Kromgol | Or nvm |
| 20:22.55 | abrotman | hey look, it does speak english! |
| 20:23.04 | abrotman | Kromgol: nvm? |
| 20:23.05 | gnarface | L O L |
| 20:23.06 | Kromgol | I'm not running Xorg, so i can't exactly copy paste |
| 20:23.21 | abrotman | Kromgol: pastebinit |
| 20:23.25 | gnarface | Kromgol: yea you can if you install gdm (console mouse support) |
| 20:23.31 | Kromgol | Ok. |
| 20:23.33 | Kromgol | Brb! :D |
| 20:23.35 | gnarface | Kromgol: or what abrotman said |
| 20:23.42 | abrotman | pastebinit is probably easier than gpm |
| 20:23.51 | gnarface | without a doubt, i'd forgotten about it |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | since i know gdm doesn't support a mouse in console :) |
| 20:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | kNC: Your question was ambiguous and grammatically incorrect. I don't see pointing that out as being rude. |
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| 20:24.07 | beardy | You go and play with support computers. |
| 20:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | beardy: That's support of computers. |
| 20:24.39 | cusco | quite agitated are we |
| 20:25.00 | kNC | jhutchins_it: Oh, so you're admitting that abrotman is a racist? |
| 20:25.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:25.16 | babilen | kNC: Drop it, there is absolutely no need for personal attacks. |
| 20:25.17 | beardy | Bye now. |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | must be something in the water in jersey |
| 20:25.22 | sudokill | whats guaning |
| 20:25.29 | abrotman | sudokill: a what? |
| 20:25.38 | abrotman | sudokill: please give us some context |
| 20:25.44 | kNC | babilen: ok then. lol. |
| 20:25.59 | beardy | !lol |
| 20:26.00 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 20:28.01 | DeM0nFiRe | lol |
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| 20:28.19 | DeM0nFiRe | I will punch dpkg, lol'ing all the time |
| 20:28.47 | babilen | DeM0nFiRe: Please be nice to our bot and helpful in the channel (or quiet) :) |
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| 20:29.20 | DeM0nFiRe | You, uh. You know it was a joke, right? |
| 20:29.34 | quitte | is someone here able to unlock dpkg factoids and change the lol factoid to facebook instead of AOL, please? |
| 20:29.51 | abrotman | no |
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| 20:30.30 | Kromgol | Hello. |
| 20:30.40 | gnarface | welcome back Kromgol |
| 20:30.47 | Kromgol | Thanks D: |
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| 20:31.19 | gnarface | Kromgol: modinfo -p [sb live driver module name] |
| 20:31.34 | abrotman | emu10k1 ? |
| 20:31.41 | abrotman | sb_emu10k1 .. |
| 20:31.44 | abrotman | something like that |
| 20:31.47 | abrotman | snd_!! |
| 20:31.50 | gnarface | snd_emu10k1 i believe |
| 20:31.50 | gnarface | yea |
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| 20:33.09 | Kromgol | Hm |
| 20:33.21 | quitte | isn't Kromgols problem an irq conflict for PCI int A? |
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| 20:33.43 | Kromgol | Gotta figure out some pastebin that likes links |
| 20:33.44 | Kromgol | the browser |
| 20:34.27 | gnarface | Kromgol: there is a console tool called pastebinit and the dpkg bot in this channel also can be msg'd with pastes |
| 20:34.37 | abrotman | the bot can be? |
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| 20:34.52 | gnarface | abrotman: i forget the syntax wasn't it like /msg dpkg paste or something? |
| 20:34.58 | beardy | No. |
| 20:35.00 | gnarface | dpkg: pastebin? |
| 20:35.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 20:35.11 | quitte | Kromgol: if i was right disabling all unused stuff in the bios such as serial parallel and the floppy ports might help. |
| 20:35.13 | abrotman | gnarface: uh .. the bot can't actually handle your paste |
| 20:35.22 | gnarface | i could have sworn that it could..... i must have dreamed it sorry |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | gnarface: we used to have a bot that would announce pastes |
| 20:35.50 | gnarface | i thought that one of them would literally take a paste, pastebin it and post the link in channel for you |
| 20:36.13 | gnarface | if you msged it with like /msg dpkg pastebin [msg] or something |
| 20:36.25 | gnarface | seriously that's weird its so vivid in my mind |
| 20:36.37 | beardy | gnarface: Nope. Must be another bot, another channel. |
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| 20:38.14 | gnarface | gpm provides copy+paste mouse support at the console though, no? |
| 20:38.26 | Kromgol | Well yes |
| 20:38.29 | Kromgol | But i don't wanna flood |
| 20:38.45 | gnarface | the pastebinit tool is the way to go then |
| 20:38.48 | Kromgol | And i can't seem to paste in links/elinks |
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| 20:39.16 | gnarface | Kromgol: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 20:39.20 | Kromgol | Wait |
| 20:40.07 | gnarface | you know guys |
| 20:40.08 | gnarface | this is fun |
| 20:40.14 | gnarface | there should be a gameshow like this |
| 20:40.22 | gnarface | like jeapordy but with debian support questions |
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| 20:40.39 | Kromgol | http://pastebin.com/9C4bpLKt |
| 20:40.40 | Kromgol | There |
| 20:40.59 | photon | I have two hdds mounted, one a backup of the other. what's the best way to check if they are identical or not (due to bit rot, etc)? md5sum does not work recursively and I'm interested if there's an easier way to check for bit-by-bit equivalence? |
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| 20:41.42 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: I've seen that auto-post feature somewhere too. Not sure it was for Debian though, depends on the channel and network and service. |
| 20:41.45 | gnarface | Kromgol: a couple of those look promising as things that might fix your stuff if you don't leave it at defaults, but this one stands out first for me: subsystem:Force card subsystem model. |
| 20:42.08 | abrotman | Kromgol: before oyu start mucking with the kernel, can you paste your entire 'dmesg' output ? |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:42.34 | Kromgol | yep. |
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| 20:43.55 | Kromgol | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/AyTCj81e |
| 20:43.58 | gnarface | photon: i'm not sure if this is really what rsync is for, but with the right options (make sure to include the "dont' actually change anything, just print what i would have done" one) it should tell you if the filesystem contents are different. i'm not sure you'd want to try diffing the whole drive |
| 20:44.26 | abrotman | Kromgol: did the card work in the other machine ? |
| 20:44.51 | Kromgol | abrotman: It works in Windows, yes. |
| 20:44.53 | abrotman | Kromgol: also, what is your 'uname -r' ? |
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| 20:45.33 | photon | gnarface: yeah, I already thought about this, but if I really want to detect bit rot, I'd have to do some checksum of some sort, and then (I guess) it's better to use something like md5sum directly and not let rsync invoke md5sum. |
| 20:45.50 | photon | gnarface: I'm only doing this maybe twice a year. |
| 20:46.41 | gnarface | photon: have you considered that it might be more practical to hook the drives up as raid-1? or do you purposefully want the backup drive to not be synced in real-time? |
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| 20:47.10 | photon | gnarface: the latter. the backup drive is at an off-site location in case of fire, theft, etc. |
| 20:47.22 | Kromgol | . |
| 20:47.51 | Kromgol | So much lag |
| 20:48.06 | devilchaos | bye folks |
| 20:48.13 | kNC | bye devil |
| 20:48.20 | Kromgol | Can anyone see what i'm typing? |
| 20:48.27 | abrotman | sure |
| 20:48.33 | abrotman | Kromgol: also, what is your 'uname -r' ? |
| 20:48.40 | gnarface | photon: well i don't know all your requirements, but if i were doing this i'd be storing the backups of the A drive in a compressed tar file (gz or bz2) on the backup drive B, then you can always store a md5 checksum at creation time and check it again later to detect the bit rot |
| 20:48.50 | quitte | Kromgol,abrotman both the nic and the soundcard are on INT A |
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| 20:49.30 | gnarface | quitte, abrotman do you guys think his bios may not have the right setting for "plug and play OS (y/n)?" |
| 20:49.37 | Kromgol | Uhm |
| 20:49.45 | Kromgol | I lagged so much |
| 20:49.46 | Kromgol | Seriously |
| 20:50.03 | Kromgol | So i had to DC, i didn't see what anyone typed after abrotman asked me if it worked on my other machine |
| 20:50.16 | gnarface | Kromgol: right after you lagged out quitte observed that your soundcard and network card share an IRQ... that's probably sub-optimal in the best of scenarios |
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| 20:50.24 | abrotman | Kromgol: also, what is your 'uname -r' ? |
| 20:50.38 | abrotman | quitte: that's why they .. share |
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| 20:50.48 | Kromgol | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 20:51.00 | Kromgol | gnarface: Lol? Really? GUessing that's the lag then |
| 20:51.01 | abrotman | but uhm, doesn't it seem like he has two sound cards? |
| 20:51.03 | Kromgol | lol |
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| 20:51.13 | photon | gnarface: hm, well, I also want to add files some times. but similar to your idea I could md5sum recursively with a script, then store the result in a text file, and do that for each drive, and simply compare the two textfiles (diff or again md5sum). do you see any problems with that? |
| 20:51.23 | Kromgol | I don't have two sound cards, i disabled the onboard sound in BIOS |
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| 20:51.41 | deco | anyone know of a good tutorial to setup sudo ? been having trouble with it |
| 20:51.41 | quitte | abrotman: audio guys are very picky about latency. for that reason alone i'd want to assign a unique irq to the emu10k1. also i had one myself and vaguely remember interrupt trouble |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | [ Â Â 4.315544] HDA Intel 0000:01:00.1: PCI INT B -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | [ Â Â 4.315596] HDA Intel 0000:01:00.1: setting latency timer to 64 |
| 20:51.50 | gnarface | photon: no i don't see any problem with that other than that its more work for you AND more work for the computer |
| 20:52.05 | abrotman | wonders what else HDA Intel might be .. |
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| 20:52.12 | abrotman | Kromgol: can you paste 'lspci -nn' ? |
| 20:52.16 | levi501d | question: I installed pulseaudio full packages, and now my browsers dont output sound and i dont see them on the list of connected processes in kmix, does anyone know how to get pulse to work with browsers? |
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| 20:52.29 | photon | gnarface: thanks. |
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| 20:52.33 | levi501d | looks like im not the only one with audio problems :D |
| 20:52.35 | gnarface | Kromgol: check your bios settings again.... i think your onboard may not actually be disabled |
| 20:52.39 | photon | gnarface: I'll think about it some more. :) |
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| 20:52.48 | Kromgol | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/CGHZABV0 |
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| 20:53.03 | Kromgol | gnarface: It is disabled. I can't see it in ALSA either which i could before. |
| 20:53.12 | abrotman | 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:aa88] .. wtf is that? |
| 20:53.23 | deco | anyone know how to setup sudo ? |
| 20:53.27 | abrotman | Kromgol: while you're bored .. run 'update-pciids' |
| 20:53.27 | levi501d | or if someone knows of an article i could read up on about connecting processes that dont have audio options to pulse that would also be helpful, i havent found anything helpful so far |
| 20:53.31 | abrotman | deco: man sudoers |
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| 20:53.37 | gnarface | photon: you could totally write a bash script using find and md5sum to get a md5sum of every single file on the drive.... i just don't know why you'd want that when you could stuff the whole drive in a tar file first |
| 20:53.43 | deco | abrotman: i did but grr i'm having a hard time figuering it out :/ |
| 20:54.04 | Kromgol | abrotman: And then what? |
| 20:54.11 | valdyn_ | levi501d: if the process uses alsa, then alsa can route to pa, if the process uses oss, then padsp can |
| 20:54.13 | photon | gnarface: well, it's mostly media files which aren't really very compressible, so the total amount of bytes which would have to be hashed is about the same. |
| 20:54.18 | Kromgol | Anyway, how do i change the IRQ if that's what most likely causing the trouble? |
| 20:54.27 | levi501d | how do you do routes? |
| 20:54.33 | abrotman | Kromgol: wait for it to finish :) |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | levi501d: man route |
| 20:54.41 | levi501d | roger |
| 20:54.43 | Kromgol | abrotman: It is done :) |
| 20:54.49 | abrotman | deco: lots of samples in /etc/sudoers or whatever the file is |
| 20:54.55 | gnarface | photon: correct, and fyi you can just make a tar file without compressing it... that's legal. but you would then only have to run md5sum once |
| 20:55.00 | abrotman | Kromgol: you've got too many audio devices |
| 20:55.04 | levi501d | oh thats a bot :D |
| 20:55.05 | levi501d | haha |
| 20:55.11 | deco | abrotman: okay thanks mate ! :-) |
| 20:55.12 | Kromgol | abrotman: o_o |
| 20:55.17 | levi501d | i was like what, just a sec, route..thats nothing todo with audio :D |
| 20:55.33 | Kromgol | abrotman: Is there a way to disable them in Debian? |
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| 20:55.37 | abrotman | Kromgol: you have two audio devices |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | Kromgol: you don't have to disable the other, just make sure the one you want is the default |
| 20:55.54 | Kromgol | abrotman: What's the name of the other one? |
| 20:55.57 | abrotman | Kromgol: what is in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 20:55.58 | levi501d | oh your not a bot, sorry, so what did you mean man route? route is for the tcp/ip stack |
| 20:56.08 | valdyn_ | levi501d: its also for roads |
| 20:56.15 | levi501d | :P |
| 20:56.24 | valdyn_ | levi501d: replace it with redirect if you want |
| 20:56.28 | Kromgol | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.28 | Kromgol | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.30 | levi501d | well i need to get my browsers working with pulse so neither of those works :D |
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| 20:56.52 | freerabit | how to add 'konsole' into the menu while doing right click in desktop? |
| 20:56.56 | valdyn_ | levi501d: told you, padsp for oss, alsa config for alsa |
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| 20:57.21 | levi501d | kk, will do |
| 20:57.21 | gnarface | Kromgol: that is indisputably an onboard hda-intel audio card |
| 20:57.28 | abrotman | Kromgol: shuld be more than that ? |
| 20:57.28 | freerabit | im using kde.. |
| 20:57.31 | valdyn_ | levi501d: your browser is probably on alsa, which means you can put it through padsp via alsa's config, thats ~/.asoundrc |
| 20:57.43 | levi501d | ahh gotcha |
| 20:57.46 | valdyn_ | levi501d: your browser is probably on alsa, which means you can put it through *pulse* via alsa's config, thats ~/.asoundrc |
| 20:57.50 | Kromgol | abrotman: It's weird. I shouldn't have another sound card aside from this one and the one i disabled. |
| 20:58.07 | smhar | I have a problem with grub2, I am double booting debian with another distro, using grub2 from debian. the problem is that when booting, grub says the other distro is at /dev/sdb2 while the distro says it is on /dev/sda2. |
| 20:58.30 | abrotman | Kromgol: you should have more than just the 0 .. but it seems the SB isn't showing at all |
| 20:58.31 | gnarface | Kromgol: just a tangential question --- have you recently updated the bios on this motherboard without 1) clearing cmos then 2) loading setup defaults then 3) saving them then 4) rebooting and 5) going back through all your settings again? |
| 20:58.50 | Kromgol | Might have to do something with the front audio jacks on my chassi which are connected (HD Audio it's named) |
| 20:58.50 | Kromgol | They don't work anyway |
| 20:59.22 | valdyn_ | levi501d: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Advanced_ALSA_Configuration |
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| 20:59.53 | valdyn_ | levi501d: just that asound.conf. |
| 20:59.54 | levi501d | thanks valdyn_ |
| 20:59.55 | Kromgol | abrotman: Did you see anything that i typed? |
| 21:00.03 | gnarface | Kromgol: one soundcard at a time. the front jacks on that HDA intel thing could be fixed by passing a model= parameter though to THAT driver (and possibly a couple other options... i use one of them too) |
| 21:00.06 | Kromgol | Before lag out |
| 21:00.15 | valdyn_ | levi501d: theres an alsa plugin package that you need |
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| 21:00.33 | valdyn_ | levi501d: libasound2-plugins |
| 21:00.37 | levi501d | ahh ok awesome |
| 21:00.44 | Kromgol | gnarface: Well, i have no idea what to pass |
| 21:00.45 | gnarface | Kromgol: the last thing we saw you say was "They don't work anyway" |
| 21:01.05 | Kromgol | God, there's so much lag |
| 21:01.21 | abrotman | Kromgol: sure |
| 21:01.30 | valdyn_ | levi501d: and you shouldnt have pure oss apps anyway, i havent used one for a long time |
| 21:01.35 | gnarface | thinks Kromgol had better check his bios again |
| 21:01.44 | gnarface | that onboard card is NOT disabled |
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| 21:03.36 | levi501d | valdyn: i dont think i have any pure oss stuff, its all pulseaudio, i've just been looking for a way to add chrome/ff/etc.. to the Clients list (when i view PulseAudio Manager i can see the list of connected processes) |
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| 21:03.48 | Kromgol | Hello again. |
| 21:03.50 | Kromgol | Rebooted into Windows |
| 21:03.52 | abrotman | Kromgol: how's your lag? |
| 21:03.55 | Kromgol | I couldn't handle the lag |
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| 21:04.06 | abrotman | wonders why linux has lag and windows doesn't ... |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | Kromgol: anyway .. does the onboard sonud work ? |
| 21:04.17 | Kromgol | After i built this new rig that i have i've only encountered problems with Linux |
| 21:04.21 | Kromgol | abrotman: It does. |
| 21:04.36 | Devastator-work | so it's not disabled in bios |
| 21:04.43 | Kromgol | The network is slow (Like really slow, i get 1mb/s down in Linux and 90mb/s down on Windows) |
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| 21:04.46 | Kromgol | I meant |
| 21:04.49 | Kromgol | It does work when it's enabled. |
| 21:04.55 | abrotman | Kromgol: i5? |
| 21:04.59 | Kromgol | i3 |
| 21:05.09 | Kromgol | Don't laugh at me! |
| 21:05.10 | Kromgol | :D |
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| 21:05.44 | Onryo | I am using debian (testing) aka wheeze with only main repos. Has anybody got this to work with a Sandybridge 2600 CPU. I want to use the SB GPU. |
| 21:06.09 | quitte | wonders if the network is slow if the emu10k1 is not installed |
| 21:06.39 | Kromgol | You think this has a connection with the sound not working properly? |
| 21:06.53 | Devastator-work | he's joking.. |
| 21:06.56 | quitte | Kromgol: the nic and the soundcard use pci int A |
| 21:07.02 | quitte | Devastator-work: I'm not |
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| 21:07.38 | Onryo | Out of the 1096 users here I would think somebody is using a Sandy Bridge? |
| 21:07.39 | Kromgol | quitte: Is it possible to assign it? |
| 21:07.42 | Devastator-work | quitte well, i thought it was because i don't see a correlation |
| 21:07.57 | Devastator-work | s/it/you |
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| 21:08.01 | Kromgol | I heard someone talking about them being assigned the same IRQ and shit |
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| 21:08.23 | Devastator-work | s/was/were |
| 21:08.30 | Devastator-work | grr.. my english sucks |
| 21:08.50 | abrotman | i am ? |
| 21:09.01 | abrotman | supposedly the sandybridge stuff has lots of issues .. |
| 21:09.06 | quitte | Kromgol: that was me. i don't know how to manually assign pci interrupts. i used to free as many as possible by disabling stuff in the bios. |
| 21:09.10 | abrotman | so themill keeps trying to convince me :) |
| 21:09.31 | Devastator-work | Kromgol you can assign in bios i guess |
| 21:09.40 | Onryo | abrotman are you using testing with the main repo? |
| 21:09.44 | quitte | Kromgol: wouldn't hurt much to try networking with the soundcaard removed,though? |
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| 21:10.30 | Kromgol | quitte: Well i wonder, as when i had built my rig and so, and went onto Linux without having the sound card inserted, the network was still slow. |
| 21:10.39 | Kromgol | But i'll try. |
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| 21:10.48 | Kromgol | I will also remove the HD audio connector |
| 21:10.53 | Kromgol | Brb some mins |
| 21:10.54 | abrotman | Onryo: uh what? |
| 21:11.02 | quitte | Kromgol: no need to if you're sure about it |
| 21:11.06 | quitte | ah well... |
| 21:11.41 | Onryo | abrotman I mean Wheezy |
| 21:11.45 | Devastator-work | hopes that Kromgol doesn't removing hd audio connector would disable the card.. |
| 21:11.53 | Devastator-work | doesn't think that.. |
| 21:11.55 | abrotman | Onryo: i know .. but why are you asking me? |
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| 21:12.44 | Onryo | abrotman if Debian testing is having issues with SB. |
| 21:12.57 | abrotman | oh, just what i've heard abou tlinux in general .. |
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| 21:13.56 | Onryo | abrotman have you been able to get the GPU to work at all? |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | Onryo: i don't have one .. i've *heard* .. |
| 21:15.22 | Onryo | abrotman, if you have a Sandy Bridge 2600/2600k you should have one in the cpu. GMA 2000/3000 |
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| 21:15.37 | Devastator-work | ... |
| 21:15.40 | The98 | gnarface, at last it died after 2 hours: http://paste.debian.net/125836/ |
| 21:16.18 | abrotman | *heard* |
| 21:16.30 | smhar | when doing an update-grub2 it say it found a kernel @ /dev/sdb2 but I want it to say /dev/sda2 how can I do this? |
| 21:17.11 | babilen | Onryo: I have a sandybridge box and everything works in sid fwiw (I do not excourage you to upgrade) |
| 21:17.33 | smhar | or how can I tell grub2 to use a fs label instead of location (/dev/sdb2) ? |
| 21:17.52 | Onryo | babilen ouch sid! Did you have to also install firmware? |
| 21:18.38 | babilen | Onryo: I have the firmware-linux and firmware-iwlwifi packages installed |
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| 21:18.51 | tekth | How do I allow loopback connections in my firewall? |
| 21:19.05 | Onryo | babilen what kernel is Sid now using. Wheeze is 2.6.29 last I looked. |
| 21:19.20 | gnarface | The98: fucking avahi. do you have a mac on that lan too? if not i'd say uninstall avahi-* |
| 21:19.29 | babilen | s/29/39 -- sid has 3.0 (same as wheezy) |
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| 21:19.33 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 21:19.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 21:19.39 | gnarface | The98: in fact i's say uninstall avahi-* anyway |
| 21:19.54 | valdyn_ | tekth: how did you manage to remove loopback? |
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| 21:19.58 | Kromgol | Good day. |
| 21:20.00 | The98 | gnarface, you mean an Apple Mac? |
| 21:20.10 | gnarface | The98: yea that's what i meant |
| 21:20.12 | Kromgol | I'm happy to say that my Internet became blazingly fast again when having removed the sound card. |
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| 21:20.17 | The98 | no mac here |
| 21:20.37 | quitte | Kromgol: ther's only one pci slot,though? |
| 21:20.40 | tekth | valdyn_: I dont believe I did. Im just trying to ensure that its open for the usage of an ssh tunnel to local server port |
| 21:20.42 | Onryo | babilen what!!! I am gonig to upgrade my VM right now. Sounds nuts to use kernel 3! Is that in testing now??? |
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| 21:20.47 | gnarface | The98: avahi is for autodetecting things like network setups. clearly its doing it wrong. amputate! |
| 21:20.47 | Kromgol | quitte: There's two. |
| 21:20.55 | valdyn_ | tekth: "ping localhost" |
| 21:20.59 | quitte | Kromgol: great. try the other one |
| 21:21.00 | The98 | hahaha |
| 21:21.17 | babilen | Onryo: yes, it is. Just take a look at judd's output (and your local package database) |
| 21:21.21 | tekth | works.. guess that answers my question >< |
| 21:21.28 | Kromgol | quitte: I did once... I got 100+ messages stating "Suspected sound card removal" |
| 21:21.36 | Kromgol | It got fixed when i switched PCI slot :/ |
| 21:21.51 | quitte | Kromgol: huh? |
| 21:22.00 | Kromgol | quitte: Yes. |
| 21:22.02 | Onryo | babilen I get right on it! seriously thx |
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| 21:22.20 | Kromgol | But i'll try. |
| 21:22.22 | Kromgol | Just for you < |
| 21:22.23 | jason404 | is there a common which will show all packages which I have installed? |
| 21:22.25 | Kromgol | :> |
| 21:22.35 | gnarface | jason404: dpkg -l |
| 21:22.36 | babilen | Onryo: sure, whatever you are trying to fix. If my information helped you to achieve your goal I am happy. All the best! |
| 21:23.00 | babilen | !tell jason404 -about aptitude clone |
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| 21:23.05 | gnarface | jason404: (i think you only need to pay attention to the ones with 'ii' in the first column) |
| 21:23.35 | The98 | gnarface, whhy do you think that happens suddenly? |
| 21:23.41 | babilen | jason404: That command has the enticing property that it only lists manually installed packages -- You can also use aptitude search ~i or a plethora of other commands though. |
| 21:23.48 | abrotman | jason404: aptitude search '~i' |
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| 21:23.57 | gnarface | The98: i can only speculate, but i know you don't need it. |
| 21:24.02 | jason404 | ok, thanks everyone |
| 21:25.00 | The98 | ok then |
| 21:25.06 | The98 | thanks for your time gnarface |
| 21:25.10 | The98 | I hope that solves it |
| 21:25.12 | babilen | jason404: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i' will list all packages and the !~M filters the list down to manually installed ones. |
| 21:25.13 | gnarface | The98: good luck |
| 21:25.29 | jason404 | babilen: thanks |
| 21:25.35 | babilen | np, have fun |
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| 21:27.34 | Kromgol | Just as i suspected quitte .. http://pastebin.com/ygfkEgNH |
| 21:27.43 | Kromgol | "Suspected sound card removal" |
| 21:29.00 | Kromgol | This sucks |
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| 21:29.09 | Kromgol | Does Linux hate my soundcard/motherboard/everything? |
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| 21:29.43 | valdyn_ | Kromgol: its really your hardware that assigns those interrupts |
| 21:30.08 | Kromgol | valdyn_: What do you mean? |
| 21:30.11 | gnarface | Kromgol: new hardware subrevisions often have pretty buggy BIOSES. you can often get around this with newer BIOS revisions or just very careful bios tuning |
| 21:30.40 | Kromgol | gnarface: So you suggest i flash my BIOS to a newer version? |
| 21:30.44 | abrotman | Kromgol: looked for a newer BIOS? |
| 21:30.48 | valdyn_ | Kromgol: well, you seem to have hardware conflicts between different pci devices. Linux has no influence there |
| 21:31.02 | valdyn_ | Kromgol: or just make your bios reconfigure |
| 21:31.05 | gnarface | Kromgol: yes basically. flash it to the newest version then go over the settings with a fine tooth comb |
| 21:31.15 | Kromgol | Checked most settings already |
| 21:31.38 | Kromgol | What do you want me to reconfigure? |
| 21:31.46 | valdyn_ | Kromgol: not you, your bios |
| 21:32.01 | Kromgol | Reset CMOS? Optimized defaults? What? |
| 21:32.02 | valdyn_ | Kromgol: you can (somehow) trigger your bios to reconfigure the pci devices |
| 21:32.18 | gnarface | Kromgol: you often will not see the bugs in windows because microsoft driver devel is kept abreast of known issues before the hardware is even shipped. the linux people have to deal with it after-the-fact but usually the bugs are patched in later BIOS revisions so we don't have to |
| 21:32.23 | nitzs | has anyone installed pidgin-light on debian? |
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| 21:32.37 | abrotman | how much lighter do you want to make it? |
| 21:32.47 | Kromgol | I will look into it, thanks gnarface and valdyn_ |
| 21:32.50 | Kromgol | Rebooting into Windows |
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| 21:34.05 | nitzs | abchirk, i just want the jabber protocol support. |
| 21:34.24 | nitzs | abrotman, i just want the jabber protocol support. |
| 21:34.39 | mina2 | was wondering how much size the gtk+runtime for windows takes after extracting |
| 21:35.35 | gnarface | mina2: sorry we don't know. we support debian here |
| 21:36.56 | abrotman | nitzs: uhhuh .. pidgin really isn't that heavy ... but there are gtk-xmpp-only apps |
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| 21:40.23 | troulouliou | hi is there a commnad to rebuild all the dkms modules ? |
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| 21:40.43 | mina2 | gnarface: np |
| 21:40.59 | troulouliou | apt-get installed a new kernel from backport today but the dkms modules failed to build cause the headers where missing |
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| 21:42.01 | jhutchins_lt | troulouliou: Welcome to backports. Why did you need the new kernel? |
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| 21:44.10 | themill | troulouliou: istr installing the header package should be enough to do that |
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| 21:48.16 | Kromgol | Uhm guys.. I kinda hit the power switch while flashing the BIOS, so now my motherboard is bricked |
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| 21:48.27 | abrotman | why in the world would you do that? |
| 21:48.28 | Kromgol | Nah, just kidding. It still doesn't work though. |
| 21:48.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:48.32 | Kromgol | :D |
| 21:48.43 | Kromgol | But i did find something interesting |
| 21:48.43 | Kromgol | http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/604135-test-report-pci-issues-new-p67-motherboards.html |
| 21:49.03 | Kromgol | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.london.gllug/48665 |
| 21:49.22 | Kromgol | "These chipsets don't natively support PCI, and apparently could cause latency issues for any PCI cards. According to this article, |
| 21:49.23 | Kromgol | http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/08/19/intels-p67-h67-and-h61-chipsets-wil l-lack-native-pci-support/ |
| 21:49.23 | Kromgol | "One concern here is for those that are still using PCI cards that are sensitive to latency, something that can be an issue when working with audio related products."" |
| 21:49.28 | Kromgol | From http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=885996&page=9&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1 |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | cute |
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| 21:50.04 | Kromgol | This could be the issue. |
| 21:50.05 | streuner | sure, but debhelper is in vacation? :-) |
| 21:50.05 | Kromgol | Right? |
| 21:50.29 | Kromgol | God, do i really need to buy an ASUS Xonar DX? |
| 21:50.30 | Kromgol | lol |
| 21:51.18 | themill | Kromgol: enough with the pasting into the channel, thanks. |
| 21:51.36 | Kromgol | themill: Forgive me my lord, it was just 4 lines! |
| 21:52.07 | streuner | Kromgol: we prefer not more than 2 lines here, but, omg, this flood of infos is too much... |
| 21:52.44 | Kromgol | streuner: lol |
| 21:52.45 | Kromgol | Sorry. |
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| 21:55.46 | Kromgol | abrotman: So, from my research this could have to do something with that my mobo doesn't support PCI natively, and instead chooses to bridge it |
| 21:56.13 | abrotman | possibly, but i didn't read your links |
| 21:56.24 | abrotman | Kromgol: honestly, what's wrong with the onboard stuff? |
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| 21:57.32 | Kromgol | abrotman: Nothing really, it's just that my front audio jacks doesn't seem to be working for some reason (Neither the 'AC97 or the HD Audio works), and as i have a 5.1 system and the back panel only has three audio jacks i need to use them all for my 5.1 system, which leaves me without a microphone jack which is quite necessary, at least for me. |
| 21:58.12 | abrotman | Kromgol: check to make sure they're wired correctly .. and/or try bare wires |
| 21:58.40 | Kromgol | abrotman: Unfortunately i'm no hardware/cable expert |
| 21:58.51 | abrotman | not a self-built machine ? |
| 21:58.58 | Kromgol | It is self-built. |
| 21:59.02 | Kromgol | I can handle that much :P |
| 22:01.10 | Devastator-work | apparently not Kromgol |
| 22:01.36 | streuner | ALSA is default, but i would use OSS4 |
| 22:01.45 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: How come? :< |
| 22:01.58 | streuner | only to make sure if its not a cable/hardware issue |
| 22:02.22 | Kromgol | streuner: Already tried OSS, no difference. |
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| 22:02.40 | streuner | hm, i second Devastator then :-P |
| 22:02.53 | Devastator-work | Kromgol do you have bios experience? i mean, to assign irq to pci at least |
| 22:03.14 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: Not really. |
| 22:03.55 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: Why do you wonder? |
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| 22:04.09 | Devastator-work | Kromgol google bios assign irq to pci or check your mobo irq map, should be in the manual |
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| 22:04.28 | Devastator-work | Kromgol because there you can change irq assignments to prevent conflicts |
| 22:04.49 | Devastator-work | Kromgol and it seems that you didn't disabled onboard sound at all |
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| 22:05.14 | streuner | Doesnt he want AC 97 to work? |
| 22:05.19 | Kromgol | Doesn't matter! |
| 22:05.23 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: I did. |
| 22:05.28 | Devastator-work | streuner he wants his audigy to work |
| 22:05.36 | streuner | oh, ok |
| 22:05.41 | Kromgol | I sure as hell disabled the damn onboard sound, as described in the manual as well, in the BIOS |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | Kromgol: is the front jack plug a single plug or multiple ? |
| 22:06.00 | Kromgol | abrotman: Divided into AC97 and HD audio |
| 22:06.16 | abrotman | double check the connections |
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| 22:06.37 | Devastator-work | Kromgol it might have jumpers to select if front sound works or not |
| 22:07.10 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: I will check. |
| 22:07.26 | Kromgol | Anyway, there's no way to change the IRQ assignements in my BIOS it seems. |
| 22:07.26 | Devastator-work | Kromgol what's your mobo make/model and your case make/model? |
| 22:07.54 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: GA-P67-DS3-B3 and Cooler Master Elite 430 |
| 22:08.00 | Devastator-work | ok |
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| 22:08.56 | Onryo | Dang kernel 3 is out for Debian. Is this a blob clean kernel too. If so I got to give some mad props to the Debian devs! |
| 22:08.58 | Devastator-work | Kromgol i'm getting the manuals, hold on |
| 22:09.16 | Onryo | blob as in firmware |
| 22:10.02 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/125840/is that strange or what |
| 22:11.00 | streuner | obiwahn: not for sid |
| 22:12.02 | Devastator-work | Kromgol my internet is not fast as yours but i'm doing my best |
| 22:12.10 | obiwahn | bei dir auch so? |
| 22:12.13 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: I read through the whole BIOS part of my manual, and there's nothing mentioning IRQ |
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| 22:12.37 | Kromgol | Or PCI configuration |
| 22:12.50 | themill | obiwahn: there's a gnutls transition going on at the moment: http://deb.li/xns . Welcome to sid. |
| 22:12.52 | obiwahn | streuner: any clues what to do? or why that is happening? |
| 22:12.58 | streuner | obiwahn: sure, it was yesterday that libgnutls26 wasnt installable at all |
| 22:13.23 | streuner | obiwahn: other than remove gkrellm and stuff, but thats just sid... |
| 22:13.45 | obiwahn | on my amd 64 i linked a so to a wrong version number to make gkrellm work |
| 22:14.12 | obiwahn | i wonder that the packages are all installed |
| 22:14.24 | obiwahn | but gkrellm refuses to install |
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| 22:14.41 | streuner | welcome to sid |
| 22:14.51 | amit | hello i come in peace |
| 22:15.02 | amit | i have installed squeeze 64 |
| 22:15.09 | amit | flash is not working |
| 22:15.14 | obiwahn | ok i did not read .. all what i should have read ... |
| 22:15.15 | amit | how could i fix? |
| 22:15.39 | Kromgol | What exactly are you looking for Devastator-work? |
| 22:15.44 | obiwahn | gnutels breaks "<=" |
| 22:16.32 | themill | obiwahn: you either wait a couple of days or /msg dpkg sdo |
| 22:16.54 | obiwahn | ok no Prob then - i was afraid of a not working apt/dpkg that is one of the few things that scare me in sid:) |
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| 22:19.03 | amit | can any one4 help on my flash problem please? |
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| 22:19.58 | obiwahn | amit: wazz up |
| 22:20.26 | DexterF | after last wheezy update yesterday the network stack (rtl8169) completely bails out - ssh, nfs, all dead. seems to get triggered when I try to mount sshfs |
| 22:20.27 | Devastator-work | Kromgol is your audigy pci-e or pci? |
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| 22:20.35 | amit | well i follow the instructions to install flash for squeeze but is not working obiwahn |
| 22:20.37 | DexterF | can someone confirm? |
| 22:20.38 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: PCI |
| 22:20.49 | streuner | amit: adobe doesnt ship amd64 packages for flash, IIRC, but i just saw workarounds in the web, just google for it |
| 22:20.52 | obiwahn | amit: please give me the link? |
| 22:21.02 | penrod | Greetings: does a default install of debian "squeeze" have plu'n play enabled, so that if an additional network card is installed it would be recognized ? or does one have to install the appropriate module ? |
| 22:21.05 | obiwahn | streuner: they do |
| 22:21.08 | obiwahn | lately |
| 22:21.22 | obiwahn | 90% sure |
| 22:22.13 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: After reading the whole manual it seems i can access more advanced options through CTRL and F1 |
| 22:22.20 | amit | thanks obiwahn ill look for the link |
| 22:22.52 | streuner | dpkg, amd64 flash |
| 22:22.54 | dpkg | Adobe Flash for amd64 is now available again as a preview release (as of 15/9/10). See http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html for details. |
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| 22:23.07 | xreal | Don't ask me how, but I've uninstall" /usr/bin/mail" - how can help to recovert it? |
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| 22:23.10 | xreal | recover* |
| 22:23.19 | obiwahn | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html |
| 22:23.23 | themill | penrod: it would just work, presuming the hardware permitted plug and play. (you may need to reboot to have some devices discovered) |
| 22:23.24 | streuner | xreal: just reinstall xmail |
| 22:23.46 | streuner | judd, file /usr/bin/mail |
| 22:23.48 | xreal | streuner: Hmm. This wants to uninstall sendmail :-( |
| 22:23.48 | Devastator-work | Kromgol about your audio, connect the hdaudio chassis cable to mobo header and it should work at least in windows |
| 22:23.51 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 22:24.02 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: Already tried that :/ |
| 22:24.03 | Devastator-work | Kromgol about your pci issue, i'm checking page 33 |
| 22:24.14 | obiwahn | amit: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplatformruntimes/flashplayer11/flashplayer11_b2_install_lin_64_080811.tar.gz |
| 22:24.19 | Devastator-work | Kromgol have you checked chapter 5? |
| 22:24.24 | themill | streuner: it's an alternatives handled symlink |
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| 22:24.36 | amit | thanks obiwahn |
| 22:24.38 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: The appendix? Yeah. |
| 22:24.43 | streuner | yes, i saw it via ls -l /usr/bin/mail now |
| 22:24.49 | Kromgol | And what does the intelligent tweaker have to do with the PCI? |
| 22:25.06 | themill | xreal: what does "dpkg -S $(readlink -f /etc/alternatives/mail)" say? |
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| 22:25.18 | xreal | themill: not found |
| 22:25.51 | streuner | xreal: amset:/tmp# ls -l /usr/bin/mail - lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2. Sep 2008 /usr/bin/mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail |
| 22:25.52 | themill | the full output, please |
| 22:25.59 | penrod | themill: ok thanks. I haven't had to deal with Debian since the 2.4 kernel, where I always built custom kernels. 2.6 has way too many questions :) |
| 22:26.15 | xreal | 1 sec please |
| 22:26.59 | Devastator-work | Kromgol nothing, now that i've checked |
| 22:27.18 | Kromgol | Devastator-work: Will check the cables and the advanced options. |
| 22:27.21 | Kromgol | Mind if i brb a while? |
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| 22:27.54 | xreal | Sorry, but starting "sendmail" here takes AGES. |
| 22:28.01 | xreal | 3 minutes now. |
| 22:28.13 | blackshirt | hello.. my debian partition damaged..and can't boot.. |
| 22:28.24 | xreal | themill: dpkg -S $(readlink -f /etc/alternatives/mail) |
| 22:28.24 | xreal | dpkg: /etc/alternatives/mail nicht gefunden. |
| 22:28.24 | dpkg | xreal: i haven't a clue |
| 22:28.33 | xreal | nicht gefunden => "not found" |
| 22:28.50 | xreal | themill: dplg: /etc/alternatives/mail nicht gefunden. |
| 22:29.05 | themill | xreal: what *did* you do? |
| 22:29.18 | xreal | themill: I've uninstalled sendmail. |
| 22:29.24 | xreal | themill: and reinstalled it then. |
| 22:30.11 | streuner | with a sledgehammer? |
| 22:30.33 | xreal | Where does /usr/bin/mail link to or is it a real file? |
| 22:30.42 | streuner | xreal: amset:/tmp# ls -l /usr/bin/mail - lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2. Sep 2008 /usr/bin/mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail |
| 22:31.00 | xreal | streuner: There is no such file. |
| 22:31.01 | streuner | just a symlink to /etc/alternatives/mail |
| 22:31.03 | streuner | sure |
| 22:31.17 | xreal | etc/alternatives/mail => not found |
| 22:31.18 | blackshirt | fsck can't repair.. |
| 22:31.58 | themill | xreal: does installing "bsd-mailx" work? |
| 22:32.05 | xreal | 1 sec |
| 22:32.21 | xreal | YES! |
| 22:32.27 | xreal | themill: thanks! |
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| 22:36.03 | streuner | blackshirt: did you try a LIVE-CD yet? |
| 22:37.05 | xreal | Anyone with a nice tutorial to work with "mail" and googlemail/gmail? |
| 22:37.32 | blackshirt | streuner: not yet.. i have try repair from freebsd.. my system was dual boot, |
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| 22:39.46 | blackshirt | streuner: when i boot using debian, halt on Enter runlevel : |
| 22:39.55 | kpachnis | hi |
| 22:40.04 | streuner | sounds like fun then... |
| 22:40.19 | blackshirt | hi kpachnis |
| 22:40.34 | kpachnis | Has anyone encounter any issues with sshd on squeeze? |
| 22:40.56 | Devastator-work | i have 2 boxes running squeeze and sshd, no issues here |
| 22:41.05 | blackshirt | streuner: just stuck here..system totally unusable |
| 22:41.07 | smhar | I am trying to mount a remote fs using sshfs as a normal user but got this error: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 22:41.14 | smhar | I can do it as root though |
| 22:41.28 | kpachnis | everytime I am trying to push on a git repo or copy a folder I get an error broken pip |
| 22:41.32 | themill | xreal: mail doesn't do that at all. |
| 22:41.34 | kpachnis | *pipe |
| 22:41.46 | xreal | themill: exim4 ... I've found a tutorial, let's try. |
| 22:42.02 | themill | smhar: are you in the fuse group? |
| 22:43.27 | harovali1 | hi, a debian system I've installed, obtains the IP addresess for two NICs by DHCP from an unknown network DHCP server. They work fine. Addicionally, the two NICs, are configured as bridged in a VirtualBox that runs in my system. For my surprise, both the linux TCP/IP stack and the VirtualBox bridged stack work fine simultaneously. I didn't expect that behaviour, but anyway I enjoyed the fact that both usages of the NICs we |
| 22:43.38 | streuner | blackshirt: just try a LIVE-CD now, but if its starts with levels its a HD issue in my experiences then... |
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| 22:45.07 | Onryo | Why does Debian show I am using wheezy/sid. I should only be seeing wheezy since my repo is only testing (main) ??? |
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| 22:45.21 | blackshirt | yeah, i will try live-cd ... but not now, my cd drive was "broken" |
| 22:45.59 | Devastator-work | Onryo wheezy is the new "sid" |
| 22:46.05 | abrotman | no |
| 22:46.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Onryo about wheezy/sid |
| 22:46.14 | Devastator-work | hum, sorry |
| 22:46.14 | smhar | themill, no, now added, will wait for the next logout/login to test |
| 22:46.20 | blackshirt | wheezy was testing now |
| 22:46.43 | Onryo | Devastator-work I thought wheezy was testing? |
| 22:46.49 | themill | smhar: you can ssh to localhos tor use "newgrp" to gain the group immediately for that shell |
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| 22:48.27 | Kromgol | quitte, abrotman, Devastator-work, rejoice! |
| 22:48.31 | Kromgol | I solved my issue! |
| 22:48.48 | Devastator-work | what was it? |
| 22:48.58 | Kromgol | I took of the front panel thing of the chassi, and i saw that the audio connector wasn't c onnected to the front audio |
| 22:49.03 | Kromgol | lol |
| 22:49.12 | Devastator-work | funny heh |
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| 22:49.18 | Kromgol | So therefore i won't need my shitty audio card, and that automatically solves my issue in Linux |
| 22:49.21 | smhar | when doing an update-grub2 it say it found a kernel @ /dev/sdb2 but I want it to say /dev/sda2 how can I do this? |
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| 22:49.34 | Kromgol | Also seemed to solve my internet issues |
| 22:49.36 | Onryo | themill Devastator-work OK so Debian can not tell the difference between testing and unstable (sid) so it just lists both. |
| 22:49.38 | Devastator-work | Onryo i was mistaken, check dpkg answer |
| 22:49.58 | Kromgol | I guess next time i will get a proper, non-OEM card :P |
| 22:50.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a way to give software-center permission to use packages from a trivial repository? |
| 22:50.08 | dondelelcaro | Onryo: no, it's just because that file is part of base-files, and it doesn't change until we're very close to release |
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| 22:51.12 | themill | Onryo: there is also only few differences between testing and sid until quite close to release so it makes little sense to try to separate them |
| 22:51.13 | magpie__ | i've been trying to solve this issue for 2 wks: after running squeeze for 2 yrs i started having random shutdowns, even when booting |
| 22:51.30 | Kromgol | magpie__: Hardware related? |
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| 22:51.51 | Kromgol | Doubt it's software |
| 22:52.15 | Onryo | dondelelcaro so this should in reality be only "testing" then |
| 22:52.25 | magpie__ | i decided to try wheezy and had the same problem |
| 22:52.33 | Kromgol | magpie__: Hardware. |
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| 22:52.48 | magpie__ | i ran prime95 for hours, memtest, hd diagnostics |
| 22:52.50 | dondelelcaro | Onryo: no, because it's the same package for testing and unstable until we're very close to release |
| 22:52.52 | magpie__ | nothing |
| 22:53.00 | Kromgol | Weird |
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| 22:53.03 | oscurochu | I'm having trouble installing certain packages. "The following packages have unmet dependencies: mysql-server : Depends: mysql-server-5.1 but it is not going to be installed" I' |
| 22:53.04 | oscurochu | I |
| 22:53.04 | Kromgol | Tried another OS? |
| 22:53.05 | oscurochu | oops |
| 22:53.08 | dondelelcaro | Onryo: when we're very close to release, even testing and unstable will give the name of the new stable release |
| 22:53.10 | Kromgol | Ubuntu? Arch? Gentoo? Fedora? |
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| 22:53.17 | magpie__ | i found an old xp cd and installed it |
| 22:53.20 | magpie__ | no problems |
| 22:53.28 | Kromgol | Software then probably |
| 22:53.29 | Kromgol | lol |
| 22:53.32 | Kromgol | Assumptions ftw |
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| 22:53.39 | magpie__ | i run mint debian live cd and sometimes it just shuts down |
| 22:53.42 | Devastator-work | magpie__ try exchange PSU just in case |
| 22:53.44 | dondelelcaro | Onryo: if you want something more accurate, lsb_release -a; has heuristics to guess what you're actually running |
| 22:53.51 | oscurochu | I'm not sure what's wrong, but I do know that I added the testing repo (i forget why), ran "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" and ever since, i've had this problem... i've removed the testing repo from /apt/sources.list. |
| 22:53.51 | magpie__ | i don't have another |
| 22:54.03 | magpie__ | prime95 really stressed everything |
| 22:54.10 | themill | oscurochu: it would be handy to see the command that gave that output and the entire output in a pastebin. "/msg dpkg bat" for some other things that would be handy to see |
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| 22:54.19 | magpie__ | ran xp for 2 days nothing wrong |
| 22:54.22 | Devastator-work | magpie__ memtest? |
| 22:54.27 | magpie__ | yes, fine |
| 22:54.43 | themill | oscurochu: if you "/msg dpkg not available" the output of that command would be handy to see too |
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| 22:55.04 | magpie__ | sometimes it quits before getting to desktop |
| 22:55.25 | magpie__ | sometimes i get to desktop but when i open app it quits...just shuts down |
| 22:55.36 | oscurochu | http://pastebin.com/C6jTsasw |
| 22:55.40 | Devastator-work | can you remove chassis buttons? |
| 22:55.47 | Devastator-work | i mean, the cable from the mobo |
| 22:56.03 | magpie__ | i've removed everthing...i tested the ps |
| 22:56.44 | magpie__ | mint is running now fine |
| 22:56.49 | Devastator-work | magpie__ try to remove it from the chassis and run it above a antistatic base, the ones who comes with a mobo |
| 22:56.56 | magpie__ | as soon as i reboot to debian, it quits |
| 22:57.27 | Devastator-work | also remove as much as additional hardware as you can |
| 22:57.35 | oscurochu | themill: im sorry, im too tired to know what you want me to do with "/msg dpkg not available" and that other command... was the pastbin link what you were looking for? |
| 22:57.36 | Devastator-work | cdroms, expansion cards.. |
| 22:57.59 | themill | oscurochu: there's nowhere near enough information there to work out anything. |
| 22:58.03 | magpie__ | i did that...i've been trying to diagnose for 2 wks |
| 22:58.04 | themill | dpkg: tell oscurochu about not available |
| 22:59.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | Maybe I need to convert this trivial repository to an actual full blown repository in a pool and all. What command will take my folder of debs and put them into a proper pool? |
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| 22:59.45 | oscurochu | themill: http://pastebin.com/sGtZibh4 |
| 23:00.17 | themill | oscurochu: what's your current sources.list? |
| 23:00.18 | magpie__ | i've tried 3 hds and tested them all |
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| 23:00.19 | ff | Greetings! I have a problem setting up HDMI audio output. Using aplay I can detect the HDMI device, but I'm not sure how I can set it as default. |
| 23:01.24 | Onryo | dondelelcaro just a a file called "debian_version" it shows wheeze/sid. But my repo looks like it is testing and not sid (unstable): |
| 23:01.26 | Onryo | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/testing main |
| 23:01.26 | Onryo | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/testing main |
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| 23:01.57 | ff | Does anyone know? Is there a page in the wiki for this? |
| 23:02.16 | oscurochu | themill: http://pastebin.com/yYjcq1B3 |
| 23:02.26 | Devastator-work | can paste.debian.org accept 200k of paste? |
| 23:02.36 | oscurochu | themill: i added a comment to the sources.list i wanted you to read |
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| 23:05.10 | themill | oscurochu: at this stage, I'd say you have three choices: (a) upgrade to wheezy completely and accept that you've got a moving target rather than a stable system (b) restore from a backup or (c) backup your data and reinstall. None of these is going to be that much fun. |
| 23:05.36 | oscurochu | themill: ok thanks. =( |
| 23:06.00 | magpie__ | i think the problem might have started after a stable update |
| 23:06.25 | magpie__ | i didn't seen anything in the update that made me think twice about it |
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| 23:08.08 | oscurochu | themill: http://pastebin.com/kwetr6RH |
| 23:08.33 | themill | oscurochu: there are no wheezy-updates |
| 23:08.43 | oscurochu | ok |
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| 23:11.05 | sirtophat | is something wrong with this /etc/exports line? |
| 23:11.11 | sirtophat | / 403.na.tl(rw,sync) |
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| 23:14.29 | oscurochu | themill: so how to i upgrade to wheezy? change "squeeze" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "wheezy," and run ,"apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade?" |
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| 23:15.26 | themill | that should work, yes. |
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| 23:15.52 | oscurochu | themill: http://dpaste.com/591618/ |
| 23:16.18 | oscurochu | themill: http://dpaste.com/591620/ |
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| 23:17.13 | jessie | themill: How safe is that method considered? |
| 23:17.19 | pAt_ | use dist-upgrade oscurochu |
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| 23:17.20 | jessie | I.e. production server worthy? |
| 23:17.41 | themill | jessie: you shouldn't be running testing on a production server⦠|
| 23:18.07 | jessie | themill: Obviously. But from woody to squeeze, for example. |
| 23:18.14 | oscurochu | pat_: i did |
| 23:18.20 | themill | skipping releases is not supported. |
| 23:18.22 | oscurochu | pat_: visit both links |
| 23:18.59 | harovali1 | hi, a debian system I've installed, obtains the IP addresess for two NICs by DHCP from an unknown network DHCP server. They work fine. Addicionally, the two NICs, are configured as bridged in a VirtualBox that runs in my system. For my surprise, both the linux TCP/IP stack and the VirtualBox bridged stack work fine simultaneously. I didn't expect that behaviour, but anyway I enjoyed the fact that both usages of the NICs we |
| 23:19.35 | jessie | themill: I forget my releases... I didn't mean skips. But how safe is going from distro to distro using the dist-upgrade method? |
| 23:20.07 | abrotman | jessie: they do their best to make sure it will work |
| 23:20.09 | tonsofpcs | jessie: if your packages are up-to-date first, shouldn't be too many issues... |
| 23:20.16 | tonsofpcs | you might break some configs |
| 23:20.31 | tonsofpcs | like, if openssh now comes with a new sample config active by default, that might overwritee yours |
| 23:20.50 | jessie | tonsofpcs abrotman: Hmmm... I see. That is good to know. |
| 23:20.54 | themill | jessie: the release notes cover how well this works and what other steps you should follow to make it work reliably. |
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| 23:22.06 | jessie | I have a lenny box I have been putting off upgrading. |
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| 23:22.22 | jessie | I plan on replacing the hardware and doing the upgrade then. |
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| 23:24.16 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah I am going to put debian on my netbook as soon as I get a new hard drive for it >.> <.< |
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| 23:26.26 | tonsofpcs | this reminds me... I only have 10 MB free on this system... time to dump logs |
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| 23:29.44 | DeM0nFiRe | Heh |
| 23:29.56 | streuner | time to remove some pr0n :-P |
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| 23:35.15 | boudiccas | what does gtk-gnash do on a squeeze box running kde and everyhting uptodate please? |
| 23:35.31 | Onryo | Is apt-secure a default implementation to aptitude in Debian? I am always thinking about MITM attacks when I upgrade. |
| 23:35.54 | Dewi | Onryo: ? |
| 23:36.13 | Dewi | Onryo: it's all cryptographically signed, is that what you mean? |
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| 23:39.07 | Onryo | Dewi that is what I mean. Been around since apt 0.6 for signature checks using the MD5 sum. |
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