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| 00:26.25 | buhman_ | when trying to connect to a screen session over ssh on a debian server, I'm told $TERM too long - sorry |
| 00:26.35 | buhman_ | my $TERM is rxvt-unicode-256color |
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| 00:27.32 | Dewi | buhman_: I guess screen doesn't support it; try something simpler |
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| 00:28.21 | Dewi | buhman_: http://www.schmalenegger.com/terminal-not-fully-functional-when-using-rxvt-unicode-256color/ |
| 00:28.27 | buhman_ | Dewi: rather, I believe that to be a bug in screen |
| 00:28.31 | buhman_ | Dewi: which has been fixed upstream |
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| 00:30.42 | buhman | Dewi: sure, if I change it, it seems to work... |
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| 00:31.04 | Dewi | buhman: whether you still get 256 colours or just 88, I don't know... |
| 00:31.24 | buhman | oh, I did rxvt-256color instead |
| 00:31.38 | buhman | I'm more worried about it not being unicoe |
| 00:32.28 | buhman | why 88 colors, out of curiosity? |
| 00:32.43 | Dewi | buhman: it defaults to no encoding change, so if your system locale is unicode it'll send that to your terminal |
| 00:33.26 | buhman | ... so what would be the point of using rxvt-unicode instead of rxvt or xterm? |
| 00:33.29 | Dewi | buhman: um, dunno, I just know that's what the non-256-colour rxvt does |
| 00:33.47 | Dewi | buhman: dunno |
| 00:34.22 | Dewi | buhman: I just use 'xterm' and everything seems fine |
| 00:34.32 | Dewi | (my client is generally putty) |
| 00:35.03 | buhman | I'm not exactly sure how all this system-locale nonsense fits in to all of this, but I do know that when I use something crappy like xterm, things like alt-(whatever) aren't sent properly |
| 00:35.15 | buhman | so irssi is mostly unusable (or just not as easy to work with :P) |
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| 00:35.48 | buhman | it was only by learning the hard way, that I eventually ended up using urxvt |
| 00:35.55 | centHOGG | anyone here monthly prepaid cell? |
| 00:36.04 | buhman | centHOGG: wouldn't that be expensive? |
| 00:36.11 | centHOGG | idk really |
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| 00:36.18 | Onryo | buhman irssi is not bad if you are are using irc though a shell account. |
| 00:36.21 | centHOGG | trying to understand the plans |
| 00:36.29 | buhman | Onryo: which is exactly what I'm doing |
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| 00:37.01 | craigevil | not really , has virgin mobile but this is rather offtopic |
| 00:37.03 | Dewi | buhman: irssi works for me, although I do find some things work better through screen than without it |
| 00:37.07 | Onryo | buhman some ppl do not like the windowing of irssi |
| 00:37.45 | buhman | I guess I never tested xterm+irrsi+screen; I was only playing with irssi without screen at the time... |
| 00:37.58 | roniwiz | hello, everyone! |
| 00:38.27 | centHOGG | craigevil: is the monthly a balance to maintain or a regular monthly fee |
| 00:38.31 | Onryo | Why did that Debian kernel team refused to enable AppArmor or any other LSMs besides SELinux? |
| 00:39.13 | craigevil | centHOGG, I pay $45/month for unlimited web/text/data, and 1200 talk minutes |
| 00:39.24 | centHOGG | k |
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| 00:39.26 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:39.37 | centHOGG | so every month 45 |
| 00:39.42 | Onryo | craigevil I pay nothing over at shellmix.com |
| 00:40.01 | mosno2 | Onryo, probably because they're mutually exclusive and they had to pick the best technology... |
| 00:40.03 | lenswipe | im trying to play a DVD(mainstream produced dvd - carlton) and the title menu works but when i try and play the actual feature i just get a message from mplayer saying "Could read from resource" and vlc just quits |
| 00:40.20 | lenswipe | it does this on both debian machine so im inclined to suspect some kind of missing lib or something |
| 00:40.29 | lenswipe | can anyone offer any kind of suggestion as to what to do? |
| 00:40.33 | Onryo | craigevil look at my "name and IP" I am ssh'n into my shell account right now and proxy though them |
| 00:40.34 | lenswipe | or even things to try. |
| 00:40.40 | roniwiz | libdvdcss2 |
| 00:40.49 | lenswipe | roniwiz, just apt-get? |
| 00:40.50 | buhman | Dewi: the fonts are better in urxvt ;P http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=167366 |
| 00:41.17 | lenswipe | roniwiz, E: Package 'libdvdcss2' has no installation candidate |
| 00:41.27 | craigevil | lenswipe, its in dmm |
| 00:41.27 | roniwiz | I believe yes...if no, u have to download and compile it from de site |
| 00:41.34 | lenswipe | craigevil, apt-get install dmm? |
| 00:41.38 | craigevil | !dmm |
| 00:41.39 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 00:41.47 | th0r | lenswipe: you have to get it from dmm |
| 00:41.53 | lenswipe | and how do i do that? |
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| 00:42.14 | roniwiz | just add the DMM repo |
| 00:42.43 | buhman | lenswipe: d-m.o tells you how ... |
| 00:43.06 | lenswipe | buhman, wtf is d-m.o ? |
| 00:43.20 | buhman | lenswipe: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 00:43.24 | th0r | lenswipe: all the info you need is at debian-multimedia.org |
| 00:43.33 | buhman | lenswipe: I would reccomend getting the sid repository, actually |
| 00:43.42 | buhman | lenswipe: only tested it with wheezy... |
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| 00:44.05 | lenswipe | buhman, im on lenny |
| 00:44.12 | lenswipe | err shit no im not |
| 00:44.14 | lenswipe | im on squeeze |
| 00:44.15 | Dewi | buhman: what WM is that? |
| 00:44.16 | buhman | lenswipe: things might have changed in the last month or so, but sid was the one that had libav-0.7 and ffmpeg-proper-0.8 |
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| 00:44.25 | buhman | Dewi: awesome, like it says in the background |
| 00:44.41 | lenswipe | buhman, i dont want libav i want libdvdcss2 |
| 00:44.51 | buhman | lenswipe: ok? |
| 00:44.55 | workingonit | Hi. I can't really find the place to look this up. Are the drivers in kernel-modules-extra included in the livecd. |
| 00:45.09 | Dewi | workingonit: what livecd? |
| 00:46.02 | Onryo | buhman if you look on youtube I put up a 500 line bash script that will pull the gits of ffmpeg, x264 etc. Will also update and remove everything at the press of a button. |
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| 00:46.32 | workingonit | Dewi: Any of the debian live install images. |
| 00:46.46 | Dewi | workingonit: debian doesn't have a live/install. it has an install |
| 00:46.48 | Onryo | buhman Onryo with a (zero)nryo on youtube |
| 00:46.58 | craigevil | !debian live |
| 00:46.58 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 00:47.12 | Dewi | craigevil: is that an installer? |
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| 00:47.23 | lenswipe | thank you guys |
| 00:47.25 | buhman | Onryo: bah; I don't have flash-player installed... |
| 00:47.37 | workingonit | Dewi: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 00:47.46 | Dewi | *not an installer* |
| 00:47.58 | Dewi | they are distinct |
| 00:48.01 | Onryo | buhman I would never ever encode anything in flash. I made it in VP8, vorbis and webm |
| 00:48.25 | buhman | you just said on youtube... |
| 00:48.42 | buhman | which intentionally cripples html5 (because it's google, and google is evil) |
| 00:48.42 | Onryo | buhman www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 00:48.52 | buhman | Onryo: doesn't work half the time... |
| 00:49.12 | Onryo | buhman thats become most ppl dont know how to encode =P |
| 00:49.38 | buhman | Onryo: no, because it's disabled randomly (well consistently across all VEVO things) |
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| 00:50.07 | buhman | what do you create your vp8 in, out of curiosity? |
| 00:50.28 | Lenin_Cat | Is there a way to mount a iso, like a virtual cd drive? |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:50.36 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: of course... |
| 00:50.36 | streuner | sure |
| 00:50.37 | Onryo | buhman with ffmpeg that I show how to compile in that video |
| 00:50.43 | th0r | Lenin_Cat: acetoneiso |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 00:50.44 | dpkg | iso mount is probably mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 00:50.52 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: ^ unnessessary |
| 00:51.27 | Lenin_Cat | buhman, then what else do I do? install acetoneiso? |
| 00:51.49 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: no, don't do acetoneiso |
| 00:52.01 | buhman | Lenin_Cat: the correct mount would be something like: mount -o loop,ro -t iso9660 /path/to/iso.iso /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:52.15 | buhman | assuming it's an iso9660 iso of course... |
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| 00:52.32 | craigevil | nautilus/konqueror right click>mount iso :) |
| 00:52.41 | Onryo | buhman http://www.youtube.com/user/0nryo?blend=3&ob=5 |
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| 00:52.53 | craigevil | of course you can type out a bunch of commands to do the same thing |
| 00:53.21 | buhman | craigevil: one? |
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| 00:53.41 | buhman | craigevil: who uses a desktop environment anyway? |
| 00:53.54 | buhman | craigevil: it's completely redundant |
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| 00:54.08 | craigevil | ha im a kde slut |
| 00:54.26 | buhman | "oh, let's see how many gnu tools we can reimplement in qt" |
| 00:55.04 | f3xy | If I switch to virtual console 7 with ctrl-alt-f7 I can't switch back actually it's not even picking up capslock |
| 00:55.26 | f3xy | I don't run X at startup |
| 00:55.36 | f3xy | so there is nothing running on 7 |
| 00:55.39 | buhman | Onryo: why am I looking at that guy? |
| 00:55.40 | centHOGG | try another ctrl-alt-num combo maybe num 8 |
| 00:55.45 | f3xy | erm |
| 00:55.52 | centHOGG | f8 |
| 00:56.02 | f3xy | it doesn't even light up when I press capslock |
| 00:56.04 | LIV2 | buhman some of us have better things to do than live in our parents basements, sprouting huge neckbeards and masturbating furiously over some manpages |
| 00:56.08 | centHOGG | hard lock |
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| 00:56.18 | f3xy | what? |
| 00:56.27 | centHOGG | its locked up hard |
| 00:56.37 | f3xy | I bet you I can ssh in to the box just fine |
| 00:56.38 | centHOGG | so try reboot |
| 00:56.42 | f3xy | meh |
| 00:56.45 | buhman | LIV2: quite the contrary (wait a moment as I prepare a picture of my workspace |
| 00:56.51 | f3xy | there is no getty running on 7 nor X |
| 00:56.53 | Onryo | buhman what guy? |
| 00:57.03 | Uchiha_Itachi | ALT+F7 |
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| 00:57.16 | LIV2 | fuck a gui for servers and shit, but I aint doing my web browsing etc from lyncx |
| 00:57.19 | LIV2 | lynx* |
| 00:57.22 | f3xy | eww |
| 00:57.26 | f3xy | elinks -g |
| 00:58.01 | LIV2 | yeah that'll give you a full web experience |
| 00:58.04 | th0r | LIV2: I could have lived without that |
| 00:58.20 | buhman | LIV2: sadly no one has written a javascript interpreter for a text-based browser, so in that case, yes, we're forced to use a gui |
| 00:58.25 | buhman | since most websites require JS crap |
| 00:58.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | they have, just not maintained it enough to survive |
| 00:58.44 | f3xy | elinks -g gives you a gui via the framebuffer |
| 00:58.49 | f3xy | it's pretty lots of colors and pictures |
| 00:59.00 | buhman | f3xy: that has nothing to do with what I just said |
| 00:59.14 | S4nD3r | How discover which is my video card? |
| 00:59.32 | buhman | S4nD3r: assuming udev is working properly, you can lspci |
| 00:59.35 | roniwiz | lspci | grep VGA |
| 00:59.39 | buhman | and adding some combination ^ |
| 00:59.40 | f3xy | oi at least I'm not being mean talking about pleasuring my self over manpages and my neckbeard is quite offended |
| 00:59.40 | buhman | like that |
| 00:59.45 | LIV2 | html was clearly definitely written with text consoles in mind |
| 01:00.13 | S4nD3r | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 0116 (rev 09) |
| 01:00.13 | S4nD3r | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 0df4 (rev a1) |
| 01:00.15 | LIV2 | I don't understand the neckbeards like that |
| 01:00.21 | S4nD3r | Which intel driver? version? |
| 01:00.36 | f3xy | I actually shave it to some extent but it could be seen as a neckbeard |
| 01:00.38 | LIV2 | it's like banging two rocks together for entertainment |
| 01:00.49 | Onryo | buhman I am with you on that. I use noscript, betterprivacy, Calomel SSL Validation, http-everywhere, Adblock Plus. I don't want jack shit blinking in my face. |
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| 01:01.17 | abrotman | S4nD3r: update-pciids .. it'll give us a better description |
| 01:01.21 | buhman | LIV2: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=167368 |
| 01:01.38 | roniwiz | S4nD3r: seems u have an Nvidia offboard card, if that is the case, visit Nvidia .com for instructions |
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| 01:01.50 | buhman | LIV2: not quite the basement you were hoping for? |
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| 01:01.59 | LIV2 | doesn't look like a workspace |
| 01:02.11 | abrotman | roniwiz: NO, do NOT tell people to do that |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | that's how you end up with a screwed up system |
| 01:02.23 | buhman | roniwiz: quiet |
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| 01:02.27 | buhman | roniwiz: don't think I don't remember you |
| 01:02.39 | roniwiz | abrotman: ??? |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | !!! |
| 01:02.43 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 01:02.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: really? |
| 01:02.56 | dpkg | yes, kamping_kaiser |
| 01:03.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | :o |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | S4nD3r: after you run the update-pciids, give us the Intel line again |
| 01:03.12 | tester | I'm having a problem with power management settings |
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| 01:03.34 | tester | Every time I start Debian, it keeps giving me this message that says Power Management configuration files in Preferences are not correct |
| 01:03.46 | tester | Then after I close the Gnome pop-up window |
| 01:03.49 | tester | It does noth ing |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | have you tried to change them so it would resave the file ? |
| 01:03.53 | tester | Even recovery mode doesn't work |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | roniwiz: do not msg me |
| 01:03.56 | LIV2 | buhman: I'll need photographic evidence if you want to claim to not have a neckbeard |
| 01:04.03 | buhman | LIV2: ok... |
| 01:04.17 | tester | It could be possible that my computer crashed as it was saving the preferences |
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| 01:04.27 | abrotman | tester: does it work for another user ? |
| 01:04.27 | JatoOspry | Could a camera really capture the glory that is the neckbeard in its natural environment. |
| 01:04.29 | JatoOspry | I think not. |
| 01:04.34 | tester | abrotman: No, it doesn't even work for root |
| 01:04.41 | abrotman | i didnt' say root .. a real user :) |
| 01:04.45 | tester | oh |
| 01:04.49 | tester | it doesn't work for all real users |
| 01:04.59 | S4nD3r | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | tester: does something other than gnome work ? |
| 01:05.02 | S4nD3r | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF106 [GeForce GT 555M SDDR3] (rev a1) |
| 01:05.07 | LIV2 | I always have a good laugh at elitist freetards who think they're some kind of superhuman for refusing to use a gui |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | S4nD3r: oh jesus .. good luck with that .. how new is that? 2 days? |
| 01:05.29 | tester | The configuration defaults for GNOME power manager have not been installed is what it says |
| 01:05.35 | tester | I can't get to anything other than Gnome |
| 01:05.38 | LIV2 | they have to use a graphical interface sometimes, how else are they going to look at animoo porn |
| 01:05.40 | S4nD3r | 2 days? abrotman |
| 01:05.42 | S4nD3r | no |
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| 01:05.46 | tester | I tried pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2, F3, etc to get a text login prompt |
| 01:05.48 | tester | It doesn't work |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | tester: switch to console, install another WM |
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| 01:05.54 | abrotman | tester: can you ssh in ? |
| 01:05.59 | tester | yes I can |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | there you go |
| 01:06.06 | tester | What do I do now?> |
| 01:06.22 | tester | should I reinstall gnome-desktop using recovery mode? |
| 01:06.28 | LIV2 | hey JatoOspry |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | you can try that |
| 01:06.33 | S4nD3r | Is possible to install this intel vga card? |
| 01:06.36 | LIV2 | I wrote a python script to suck my balls |
| 01:06.42 | buhman | LIV2: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=167369 I would be the guy in the middle |
| 01:06.43 | tester | I might still get the same error though |
| 01:07.01 | tester | would dpkg-reconfigure gnome-desktop work too? |
| 01:07.05 | abrotman | LIV2: do you have a Debian question ? |
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| 01:07.07 | abrotman | tester: not likely |
| 01:07.10 | tester | What does the dpkg-reconfigure command do |
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| 01:07.17 | abrotman | it won't do that :) |
| 01:07.17 | LIV2 | abrotman: no, I have debian answers |
| 01:07.20 | tester | hmm |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | no, you don't |
| 01:07.22 | tester | well I'll try that |
| 01:07.28 | LIV2 | you might remember me from such shows as "how to install debian on your motorola xoom" |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | tester: also, make sure your system is up to date |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | LIV2: please be quiet |
| 01:07.42 | tester | Yeah, it is... |
| 01:07.46 | LIV2 | abrotman: errr. no |
| 01:07.47 | abrotman | tester: double check |
| 01:07.51 | tester | I think my computer crashed in the middle of apt-get updates also |
| 01:07.56 | buhman | LIV2: as you can see, lack of neck-beard, lag of genetic material spread around workspace, lack of basement, etc... |
| 01:07.57 | LIV2 | it's a free (as in beer) world |
| 01:07.59 | tester | But the only thing being updated was libpng or something |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | buhman: please stop feeding the troll |
| 01:08.08 | JatoOspry | I believe the channel owenrs died and made abrotman the owner of the channel. |
| 01:08.11 | JatoOspry | Oh wait, no they did not. |
| 01:08.35 | LIV2 | buhman: it surprises me really, you show all the classical signs of being a neckbeard. even to the point of tucking your shirt into your undies |
| 01:08.35 | tester | my question is: How can I get Debian to start with a text/console login prompt, no startx or graphical login |
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| 01:08.46 | LIV2 | we may have found a new species of neckbeard |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | LIV2: please keep it on topic |
| 01:08.57 | tester | can you start with just a plain xterm instead of the full login |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | !tell tester about nodm |
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| 01:09.03 | LIV2 | the first ginger beardless neckbeard |
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| 01:10.02 | buhman | LIV2: I had to smile there :P |
| 01:10.05 | tester | that works |
| 01:10.10 | tester | but I want to do it one time only |
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| 01:10.26 | f3xy | so how come when I switch to a virtual console that isn't running a getty or X can I not escape it? |
| 01:10.28 | abrotman | tester: you can undo it next time |
| 01:10.29 | tester | instead of having to press Ctrl+Alt+some function key |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | !tell mimimo about root |
| 01:10.34 | tester | ok that's great thanks |
| 01:10.38 | tester | time to reboot |
| 01:11.13 | f3xy | tester you should look at qingy :D |
| 01:11.31 | f3xy | framebuffer login |
| 01:11.40 | tester | thanks |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | eh .. the nodm way is easier |
| 01:13.11 | f3xy | no one has any idea? I could either run a getty on every vc or find a way to configure qingy and getty to ignore certain ctrl-alt-F combos |
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| 01:13.24 | f3xy | if that is even possible |
| 01:13.27 | tester | Is there any reason why squeeze still keeps OpenSSL 0.9.8 and never upgrades to 1.0.0 |
| 01:13.43 | tester | Or why it never upgrades version numbers |
| 01:13.46 | abrotman | tester: that's how stable works .. it will provide security and RC fixes, and that's about it |
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| 01:14.28 | Dewi | until next release of course, but that's a while away |
| 01:14.28 | tester | Is OpenSSL 0.9.8 really more stable than OpenSSL 1.0.0 |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | tester: that's not really what we're talking about |
| 01:14.46 | Dewi | tester: why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:14.47 | tester | okay |
| 01:14.49 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 01:14.49 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
| 01:15.24 | tester | Maybe that's why debian fans went over to Ubuntu... |
| 01:15.31 | tester | great OS, too little change |
| 01:15.38 | abrotman | whatever you want to believe |
| 01:15.39 | tester | I'm a wheezy fan here |
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| 01:16.08 | Dewi | tester: ubuntu LTS is exactly the same deal |
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| 01:16.20 | abrotman | Ubuntu discussion belongs in #ubuntu |
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| 01:16.35 | craigevil | if you do not like stable you can try testing or sid, tester take a look at forums.debian.net lots of ppl switch from ubuntu to debian, not many go the other way |
| 01:16.45 | abrotman | craigevil: please don't suggest people use sid ... |
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| 01:16.58 | Dewi | actually just install the backports you need |
| 01:17.11 | Dewi | and stay on stable |
| 01:17.32 | abrotman | wonders where the aussie kids went ... |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | uh .. s/kids/kid/ |
| 01:17.46 | Dewi | abrotman? |
| 01:17.50 | JatoOspry | Coffee :) |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | Dewi: just some kids who are bored and decided to visit #debian |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | erm .. s/kids/kid/ |
| 01:18.36 | Dewi | I'm right here, lurking as always. I just troll slowly |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | not you |
| 01:18.43 | JatoOspry | abrotman seems to be rather arrogant and full of assumptions. Never a good mix. |
| 01:19.02 | roniwiz | abrotman: really, Im trying to figure out what have I done.... |
| 01:19.03 | abrotman | waits for the other keyboard to become active ... |
| 01:19.08 | JatoOspry | I guess its true, some things never change. |
| 01:19.22 | JatoOspry | Assumptions again abrotman? You are not really getting smarter with every new line. |
| 01:19.36 | abrotman | !tell roniwiz about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 01:19.41 | Dewi | JatoOspry: he's running stable, he only gets smarter every 18 to 24 months |
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| 01:19.52 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@203-28-51-141.ar.com.au] by abrotman |
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| 01:19.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | and that's the end of both of them |
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| 01:21.48 | roniwiz | abrotman: ok, got it, didnt know about it, thx |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | roniwiz: that installer can be quite dangerous in certain circumstances ... |
| 01:22.55 | roniwiz | abrotman: okie that |
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| 01:26.19 | abrotman | haha |
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| 01:28.46 | Dewi | ^ wow, desperate for FB friends |
| 01:29.44 | max_sharpe | lol |
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| 01:30.13 | buhman | what would be even funnier is if everyone actually did add him |
| 01:30.25 | buhman | "you have 235419709 friend requests) |
| 01:30.43 | babilen | Please take it elsewhere |
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| 01:31.32 | roniwiz | abrotman: read the debian wiki pages about the drivers, quite enlightment... seems that I will pass the next few hours changing my configs....thx! |
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| 01:32.13 | abrotman | roniwiz: Now, I should say that I'm not sure what the procedure is if you require newer drivers. But I'm sure there's something in there about it |
| 01:32.45 | buhman | roniwiz: I find it simpler to just use an Intel or ATI card |
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| 01:33.02 | buhman | roniwiz: with acceptable open source drivers |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | buhman: there is that, but not everyone does it that way |
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| 01:34.25 | buhman | what the radeon developers know about ATI cards is from documentation/hardware semantics given to them by ATI; what noveau knows about nvidia stuff is from pure reverse engineering |
| 01:35.06 | buhman | noveau will never catch up |
| 01:35.38 | abrotman | except that ATI/AMD does not release specs for its newest cards :( |
| 01:35.48 | buhman | 3d acceleration will be obsoklete by the time that they implement it. |
| 01:35.51 | buhman | abrotman: that too... |
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| 01:36.26 | Saphiresurf | Hello |
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| 01:36.29 | intruder | intel IGP for the win |
| 01:36.35 | roniwiz | abrotman: as the Appendix A says, the current ones will do. besides, got a headache trying to make my Intel poulsbo chipset to work... after a few weeks reverted to vesa, with some good work on xorg.conf. |
| 01:36.36 | Saphiresurf | How's it going? |
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| 01:37.30 | buhman | I personally don't have a problem with just running radeon with the last-generation cards |
| 01:37.41 | buhman | no big deal; I don't need the 6990... |
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| 01:37.57 | Saphiresurf | I understand where u are coming from. |
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| 01:38.19 | Saphiresurf | Though personally I just use Nvidia cards. |
| 01:38.19 | buhman | such things are impossible with nvidia |
| 01:38.21 | intruder | Saphiresurf: ? |
| 01:38.32 | Saphiresurf | Intruder, I don't know to be honest :p |
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| 01:39.15 | Dennop | Hello |
| 01:39.17 | intruder | buhman: but you don't get decent 3d acceleration with that |
| 01:39.22 | Saphiresurf | Hey dennop |
| 01:39.45 | buhman | intruder: sure you do |
| 01:39.53 | Dennop | I've installed fluxbox with Debian but have run into a problem |
| 01:39.59 | buhman | intruder: you must be doing something wrong otherwise |
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| 01:40.12 | Dewi | Dennop: sup? |
| 01:40.21 | Dennop | I edit bashrc to run the fluxbox initiation code, and it does wonders when I log in |
| 01:40.22 | intruder | buhman: youre talking about the driver "radeon" stock from the repo right ? |
| 01:40.37 | Saphiresurf | So..... |
| 01:40.41 | Dennop | But if I click in fluxbox to open up a new bash shell window, it tries to re-init fluxbox again |
| 01:40.42 | Saphiresurf | How are you guys doing? |
| 01:40.45 | buhman | intruder: I'm talking about the radeon drivers in the mainline Kernel |
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| 01:41.08 | buhman | radeon as in the radeon kernel module |
| 01:41.20 | Dennop | Essentially I just want a script that runs on startup, but not every time I open up a new bash shell instance |
| 01:41.36 | buhman | if I was talking about Radeon as in the Radeon series of cards, I would punctuate accordingly |
| 01:41.40 | Dewi | Dennop: yeah I wouldn't recommend initing fluxbox on login like that... |
| 01:41.45 | Saphiresurf | :p |
| 01:41.55 | Dennop | Dewi, how would you? |
| 01:42.19 | Dennop | The commands are as such: start followed by fluxbox followed by a PATH export |
| 01:42.24 | Dennop | startx* |
| 01:42.39 | Dennop | The Path export is for Google's golang |
| 01:42.43 | Dewi | !dm |
| 01:42.43 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer |
| 01:43.03 | intruder | buhman: ok, well impressed, never had success with it |
| 01:43.04 | Dewi | Dennop: most people who want to start X on boot use a display manager |
| 01:43.04 | Saphiresurf | I'm guessing you guys just aren't doing at all? |
| 01:43.51 | buhman | intruder: R700 afaik are the only complete-ish implementations; anything any newer might have trouble; I couldn't tell you because I haven't tested them |
| 01:43.52 | Dewi | Dennop: but sometimes if I want to just run a command as me on boot I just add a line to /etc/rc.local like so: echo 'commandline' | su - dewi |
| 01:44.05 | buhman | intruder: >R700 take more setup anyway... |
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| 01:44.24 | Saphiresurf | You know what Nvidia goes good with? Mac. It just works. |
| 01:44.51 | buhman | ///kick Saphiresurf |
| 01:44.52 | Dewi | Dennop: I guess you could also do what you're doing but abort if the process already exists or something |
| 01:45.12 | Saphiresurf | buhman, That's what I thought was going to happen if I metioned mac in this channel ;). |
| 01:45.29 | buhman | Saphiresurf: mentioning is not the same thing as supporting |
| 01:45.58 | Saphiresurf | Buhman, I'm not a big fan of it I just use it on my desktop for some occasional iPhone stuff. |
| 01:46.04 | Saphiresurf | I do support Windows though. |
| 01:46.12 | buhman | ///ban Saphiresurf |
| 01:46.13 | Dennop | Dewi, I like that idea. Is there a way to create a global variable and set it once |
| 01:46.22 | DexterF | Saphiresurf: plus nv it was troubles most mac users upgrading to lion. couldn't have picked a worse example. |
| 01:46.23 | Saphiresurf | lol |
| 01:46.30 | Dewi | mentioning/supporting is not the same thing as inciting OS holywars in a one-distro support channel |
| 01:46.53 | buhman | Dewi: I think that's what he's clearly asking for :P |
| 01:46.59 | Saphiresurf | DexterF, It's pretty much in most Macs. I use it on my PC with mac and it actually works with 10.7 pretty well. |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:47.03 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:47.12 | Saphiresurf | Dewi, Yep |
| 01:47.18 | centHOGG | mobile OS holywars too |
| 01:47.24 | Saphiresurf | And that is exactly what I could have done |
| 01:47.34 | Saphiresurf | Or did |
| 01:47.37 | Saphiresurf | You never know |
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| 01:48.17 | buhman | Saphiresurf: firstly, you don't need a Mac to use your iPhone; but you shouldn't even have an iphone for that matter |
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| 01:48.45 | DexterF | qfmft |
| 01:49.05 | Saphiresurf | buhman, I use mac for iPhone RELATED things. Using pwnagetool is probably the only thing. Also don't be dissin on iOS. Android may be better, but it's a good OS for a good GUI. |
| 01:49.18 | Saphiresurf | But it's features suck ma balls. |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:49.36 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:49.53 | Saphiresurf | You really think I would use mac for only my iPhone? |
| 01:50.02 | abrotman | Saphiresurf: that's enough .. move to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:50.06 | Dewi | Dennop: um, the cleanest way is to record the process id somewhere and you can check it still exists. A quicker/dirtier way would be like this: pgrep -xu dewi bas > /dev/null || command |
| 01:50.08 | Saphiresurf | Ok |
| 01:50.30 | Saphiresurf | dpkg, It would probably end up like #ih8sn0w or #iOS. |
| 01:50.30 | dpkg | Saphiresurf: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:50.36 | Dewi | Dennop: checks for processes owned by me with that exact name, otherwise 'command' which launches one |
| 01:50.46 | Saphiresurf | Those channels are a mess. |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | Saphiresurf: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 01:52.19 | Saphiresurf | No I just heard you banned my friend because he called someone a tosser because they told him GUI's are for morons. Which is an interesting statement in itself. |
| 01:52.32 | Saphiresurf | Kinda thought it was stupid. |
| 01:52.54 | abrotman | Saphiresurf: please go play somewhere else |
| 01:53.00 | Saphiresurf | Especially since he's not the kind of person that probably came here because he wanted help or wanted to give help. |
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| 01:54.24 | DexterF | I had to look up "tosser" at urbandictionary. there's a link "add a video". heh. |
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| 02:03.26 | delvalle26 | Anyone have a must have suggestion for ncurses/cli app. I've been using screen recently... |
| 02:03.42 | delvalle26 | I'm very happy with newsbeuter (feed reader) wee-chat (irc) and elinks for the web |
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| 02:04.10 | delvalle26 | Looking for more goodies to replace/use as alternatives to gui apps (which seem to change too much for my taste...) |
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| 02:06.53 | brah | How's the experimental iceweasel? |
| 02:08.31 | abrotman | brah: use mozilla.debian.net instead |
| 02:09.06 | brah | What version are beta and aurora? |
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| 02:16.57 | abrotman | brah: those correspond to code names Mozilla uses i believe |
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| 02:17.24 | brah | Alright. |
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| 02:23.15 | tehrabbitt | Hi, Trying to boot into a fresh install but it seems that my monitor goes blank / goes into standby once the initial ramdisk starts up the kernel... |
| 02:23.32 | tehrabbitt | I'm not using any GUI, just wanna be able to get into the CLI |
| 02:23.34 | tehrabbitt | any ideas? |
| 02:23.37 | tehrabbitt | using grub BTW |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | grub or grub2? |
| 02:23.46 | abrotman | how long did you wait? |
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| 02:24.24 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: I've waited until the monitor goes to sleep, and then waited another 10 minutes |
| 02:24.25 | daedhel | hi |
| 02:24.33 | tehrabbitt | it's grub 1.9 |
| 02:24.54 | abrotman | that's grub2 |
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| 02:25.09 | abrotman | tehrabbitt: is it going into framebuffer? |
| 02:25.09 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: alright |
| 02:25.29 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: Not sure, i've tried editing the boot line and adding "nofb" but no avail |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | !fb |
| 02:25.42 | tehrabbitt | also took "quiet" off the end, and i see it mentions graphics card right before it goes blank |
| 02:25.42 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
| 02:26.55 | tehrabbitt | abrotman: still doing it with fb=false |
| 02:27.05 | tehrabbitt | i'm gonna try video=vga16:off next |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | that's the only thing i can think of |
| 02:27.44 | tehrabbitt | hm :-\ |
| 02:27.45 | brah | It's taking the mozilla.debian.net as the default source for iceweasel. |
| 02:27.48 | daedhel | I added this: "console=tty12" to the line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet console=tty12"" in the file : /etc/default/grub. Then I did : "sudo grub-mkconfig" and rebooted. On reboot, the console is not transfered to tty12. the argument is not added to the line in grub. when I edit it manually at boot, it works. |
| 02:27.52 | brah | And the release package is not named iceweasel-release, just iceweasel. |
| 02:28.36 | tehrabbitt | still doing it with vga16:off as well |
| 02:28.41 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
| 02:29.10 | tehrabbitt | daedhel: can I do that from the grub CLI? |
| 02:29.43 | Cain | Hi, cat /etc/debian_version gives the 'version' of debian, where to get other information (like distro name and version name, eg. Debian Squeeze) ? |
| 02:29.45 | daedhel | tehrabbitt: do what |
| 02:29.58 | tehrabbitt | daedhel: append the console= line during grub boot |
| 02:30.06 | th0r | Cain: uname |
| 02:30.16 | tehrabbitt | tried, that didn't work either :-\ |
| 02:31.19 | Cain | th0r : that not gives Debian as OS but Linux :/ |
| 02:31.43 | th0r | Cain: check the man page for options |
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| 02:32.11 | tifflor | I would need some help with this error, someone in here who knows what this is and how I fix it? |
| 02:32.29 | tehrabbitt | not sure if this helps, but it's an nvidia chipset |
| 02:32.33 | tehrabbitt | pciexp x16 |
| 02:32.45 | th0r | Cain: guess you're right....it doesn/t show Debian |
| 02:32.52 | Cain | :) |
| 02:32.57 | tifflor | http://pastebin.com/zi4ALyCN |
| 02:32.59 | Cain | neither 'squeeze' |
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| 02:33.36 | tifflor | somehow dpkg got stuck trying to remove python2.4 |
| 02:33.47 | Cain | th0r : i'm trying to get those informations via bash script, so i can use theme on a bash welcome screen |
| 02:33.54 | th0r | Cain: cat /proc/version |
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| 02:34.22 | abrotman | tifflor: you could just put an 'exit 0' at the top of the prerm script |
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| 02:35.06 | tharkun | abrotman: do you have time for a little pm talkd about a nick on the channel? |
| 02:35.11 | tifflor | abrotman: prerm script? where do I find that script for python2.4? |
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| 02:35.38 | tifflor | abrotman: oh wait I found it |
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| 02:36.07 | brah | Wow, Iceweasel 5 looks like ass on Clearlooks. |
| 02:36.20 | doublehp | is there a debian brtl-openvpn tutorial ? |
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| 02:36.34 | abrotman | tharkun: if you're asking about the Aussie kids, not again |
| 02:36.49 | Cain | th0r : well , sort of, guess i didn't get exactly what i want since this is a custom kernel, thx anyway ^^ |
| 02:37.27 | tharkun | abrotman: forget about it i missed a letter on the hostmark, and no it was not Aussie |
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| 02:37.39 | abrotman | uh ok |
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| 02:39.07 | tifflor | abrotman: thank you at least the upgrade is getting on forward |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | tifflor: not the prettiest way ... |
| 02:39.56 | tifflor | abrotman: surly not, but if it's helping |
| 02:39.58 | tifflor | ... |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | are you upgrading from etch ? |
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| 02:41.06 | tifflor | abrotman, not directly |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | i would hope not :) |
| 02:41.36 | tifflor | I did an upgrade from etch to lenny, and now the next step to squeeze |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | hey! someone read the release notes! :) |
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| 02:43.02 | Samkov | question: say i boot into a live distro and have 5 hardisks connected, but not mounted, can any of my live activity end up anywhere on the non mounted drives, for example if i were to check configure evolution and download my mail messages? |
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| 02:44.36 | doublehp | error installing tcpdump http://pastebin.com/WRRH7MA1 any one can help ? |
| 02:44.47 | abrotman | Samkov: well, technically, you could write to the partitions .. but it's not likely |
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| 02:46.21 | Samkov | I am just curious, because i just found a live distro to test, and when i loaded it up in my vm, it said something like : vm detected possible security issues |
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| 02:47.16 | Samkov | well it didnt say it like that, but i read onward and it made it sound like data from live sessions can end up on external storage mediums |
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| 02:47.29 | Sean-Der | Hello I have Pulseaudio on X64 Sid and everything else works great except flash! What packages could I be missing? I am using the newest version 11 Beta 2 X64 from Adobe |
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| 02:49.01 | n0sq | doublehp: couldn't look at your pastebin because quassel kept crashing when i hovered over your link |
| 02:49.26 | doublehp | ? |
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| 02:53.50 | brah | doublehp: Are you running 3.0.0-1? |
| 02:54.03 | doublehp | no clue |
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| 02:54.32 | doublehp | why are some people asking about numbers, while sources.list only contains names ? |
| 02:54.48 | brah | Your kernel version. |
| 02:54.51 | doublehp | and why won't install CDs use those names ? |
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| 02:55.03 | brah | type 'uname -r' into the console |
| 02:55.06 | doublehp | 2.6.21-2-486 |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:55.26 | brah | Well. |
| 02:55.27 | abrotman | why is your kernel so .. not supported? :) |
| 02:55.39 | brah | Your install CD might be a bit old. |
| 02:55.42 | doublehp | it's the kernel that was provided when I installed the box |
| 02:55.53 | doublehp | no |
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| 02:56.06 | doublehp | it's the kernel i updated one year after install !!!! |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | you don't have the kernel meta package installed |
| 02:56.43 | doublehp | bet ? |
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| 02:57.11 | brah | Basically, your kernel is <2.6. The package requires you to update it. |
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| 02:57.42 | abrotman | doublehp: bet what? |
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| 02:58.08 | syntaxx | hi i just would like to know where can i find all the list partman options for use with preseed? thanks |
| 02:58.30 | doublehp | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/KEJ0x7UX ... won't the 'i's mean that kernel was installed the debian way ? |
| 02:58.32 | abrotman | there's an example preseed file that has a lot of the options |
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| 02:58.53 | abrotman | doublehp: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-486 .. says what ? |
| 02:59.12 | syntaxx | abrotman, yeah but i don't think there's a sample to reuse the same partition though |
| 02:59.45 | daedhel | I added this: "console=tty12" to the line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet console=tty12"" in the file : /etc/default/grub. Then I did : "sudo grub-mkconfig" and rebooted. On reboot, the console is not transfered to tty12. the argument is not added to the line in grub. when I edit it manually at boot, it works. |
| 03:00.09 | doublehp | abrotman: it says ... not enough disk space to download |
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| 03:00.20 | abrotman | doublehp: right, so it's not installed |
| 03:00.34 | abrotman | doublehp: start with an `apt-get clean', then try again |
| 03:00.47 | brah | abrotman: Shouldn't he install the linux-image-486 metapackage? |
| 03:00.53 | doublehp | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/fqsFTwVG |
| 03:01.05 | abrotman | brah: technically the same at the moment |
| 03:01.18 | abrotman | oh dear lord |
| 03:01.27 | brah | Yeah. I guess it's the same, since it's never going to get upgraded. |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | brah: that may change in the future, but for now .. they're the same |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | doublehp: you're running sid, with a .21 kernel ? |
| 03:03.19 | doublehp | abrotman: not possible; I stopped installing SID in 2003 when I was in UK, 2y before starting Gentoo, and I bought that disk at least 6 months after i came back ... so, no way I installed SID |
| 03:03.34 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 03:03.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | oh, wheezy has 3.x now also |
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| 03:04.08 | abrotman | doublehp: well, at any rate, clean up your HDD, and get in sync with the system you're trying to run |
| 03:04.36 | doublehp | abrotman: i just want to install tcpdump .. and you are asking me to buy a fresh disk at store ? |
| 03:04.47 | abrotman | where did i say that? |
| 03:05.02 | doublehp | can not upgrade kernel on this disk, no room |
| 03:05.10 | abrotman | doublehp: paste the output of "df -h;df -i" to a pastebin |
| 03:05.18 | abrotman | oh i know .. make room? |
| 03:05.29 | doublehp | abrotman: df -i, you learnt lessons from the past ^^ |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | me or you? |
| 03:05.48 | doublehp | abrotman: to make room, i just removed the swap file ... |
| 03:06.02 | abrotman | what could go wrong! |
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| 03:06.58 | doublehp | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/SbyuMNPZ and i need to keep 100M free for system logs |
| 03:07.25 | abrotman | holy tiny disk |
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| 03:07.50 | doublehp | does the job since years |
| 03:07.51 | brah | abrotman: Perhaps he could install some tcpdump version that doesn't need a kernel newer than his? |
| 03:08.22 | abrotman | he can install the newer kernel, and then remove the older ones .. the net loss of space shouldn't be awful |
| 03:08.42 | doublehp | as usual, i just try to install a poor stupid package, and end up with "buy a new computer". |
| 03:08.55 | abrotman | i didn't say that! |
| 03:09.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | or use emdebian grip :) |
| 03:09.31 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:09.59 | doublehp | abrotman: trying to upgrade kernel means two things: break uptime, and, 80% chance to never get it boot (or get major breakages) |
| 03:10.35 | doublehp | abrotman: i am used to loos sound card and/or network card on kernel updates ... |
| 03:11.18 | abrotman | who the heck cares about uptime? |
| 03:11.36 | brah | lol |
| 03:11.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonder if doublehp is coming to the channel fromn the past |
| 03:12.41 | doublehp | Kamping_Kaiser: considering that ... to install tcpdump, i need to update kernel ... I wonder ... |
| 03:12.44 | syntaxx | is it possible to re-use an lvm filesystem (/home) without formatting it during system reinstall? |
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| 03:13.09 | doublehp | syntaxx: should ... |
| 03:13.15 | abrotman | doublehp: if you don't want to install updates, run stable |
| 03:13.28 | doublehp | abrotman: I installed stable ! |
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| 03:13.51 | abrotman | not if you're getting a 3.0 kernel |
| 03:13.56 | doublehp | oh no :/ |
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| 03:14.07 | doublehp | wth |
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| 03:14.28 | brah | abrotman: [00:02] <doublehp> 2.6.21-2-486 |
| 03:14.38 | abrotman | yes, and? |
| 03:14.42 | doublehp | i started with stable, i sware; if i switched to testing, it means i was *REALLY* forced to to install some things |
| 03:14.44 | brah | What do you mean by 3.0 kernel? |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | apt is trying to give him a 3.0 kernel |
| 03:15.06 | doublehp | i give up |
| 03:15.17 | doublehp | i ll do without tcpdump, don't know how yet |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | and even stable has a newer kernel |
| 03:15.51 | abrotman | even *oldstable* has a newer kernel |
| 03:16.27 | abrotman | in reality, doublehp has some half etch, half lenny, half squeeze, half wheezy system .. |
| 03:16.30 | abrotman | that's too many halves .. |
| 03:17.07 | doublehp | source list mentions it orogonates from Sarge |
| 03:17.20 | karlpinc | abrotman: Sounds like the result is "have not". |
| 03:17.22 | doublehp | originates |
| 03:17.30 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:17.38 | doublehp | i just give up |
| 03:17.41 | doublehp | thanks abrotman |
| 03:18.02 | abrotman | doublehp: honestly .. i'd probably point my sources at oldstable, and try to get to that first, then go to squeeze |
| 03:18.07 | abrotman | i have no idea if it will actually work |
| 03:18.38 | doublehp | abrotman: i don't *need* tcpdump; i would just have been 400% easier to debug today's issue |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | right, you also don't need security patches apparently |
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| 03:40.47 | k-man | is there a "debian" way to install virtualbox guest additions? |
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| 03:43.46 | doublehp | k-man: at least debootstrap |
| 03:43.57 | doublehp | k-man: probably even a virtualbox provided script |
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| 03:44.26 | doublehp | k-man: never used it, but a friend often says he does it in one or two commands |
| 03:45.15 | k-man | ok thanks |
| 03:45.34 | DizzyLizzy | I have a headless computer I use for its CD/DVD drive, without X or hal or anything. I'm part of the group cdrom, but have to switch to root in order to mount DVDs. How can I fix it so my main user can mount the DVD drive, and/or have it mount automatically? |
| 03:46.08 | doublehp | DizzyLizzy: mount by user: add "user" in fstab line. |
| 03:46.55 | doublehp | DizzyLizzy: auto-mount ... this changes every 2 years; i am lost; used to be devfs, then udev, then HAL, then auto-mount, used to be RedHat specific features ... nowdays, i don't know |
| 03:47.26 | doublehp | DizzyLizzy: hotplug used to hold this, then Hal, then HalEvt ... really, matter of fashion, changes all the time |
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| 03:47.41 | DizzyLizzy | For squeeze? |
| 03:47.54 | DizzyLizzy | I'll look up how to write an fstab entry |
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| 03:48.14 | doublehp | DizzyLizzy: try HAL, or HalEvt |
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| 03:50.15 | DizzyLizzy | thanks, doing that now |
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| 04:05.57 | daedhel | I added this: "console=tty12" to the line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet console=tty12"" in the file : /etc/default/grub. Then I did : "sudo grub-mkconfig" and rebooted. On reboot, the console is not transfered to tty12. the argument is not added to the line in grub. when I edit it manually at boot, it works. |
| 04:07.46 | n-iCe | hello I have a few questions, I own an AWUS036H usb wireless card, using the drive rtl8187 but seems to be faulty, cuz I can't download at my normally download speed I can't even surf If I don't set the rate to 5.5M in iwconfig wlan1, any ideas, please |
| 04:07.51 | n-iCe | Quality=51/70 Signal level=-59 dBm |
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| 04:08.43 | alesan | hi |
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| 04:08.55 | alesan | I would like to see if I can install debian on my ARM board I have |
| 04:09.27 | alesan | I already have a kernel for it... is there a Debian "root file system" that I can mount over NFS and work with the ARM board? |
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| 04:24.26 | blackshirt | something goes wrong with my debian.. totally renderer unusable.. |
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| 04:37.16 | blackshirt | hello |
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| 04:42.29 | boudiccas | hello blackshirt |
| 04:42.55 | blackshirt | hello boudicass, can you help me ? |
| 04:42.57 | aminpy | I installed debian in iMac and add my user to audio group and relogin to my system, and raise sound level with alsamixer, but I don't have any sound in iMac. |
| 04:43.00 | aminpy | how can I fix this problem? |
| 04:43.52 | boudiccas | blackshirt; i've got no idea, as you havent stated what your problem is |
| 04:44.27 | boudiccas | aminpy; get a proper computer? :) |
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| 04:45.27 | aminpy | boudiccas, what? |
| 04:45.29 | aminpy | ! |
| 04:45.39 | blackshirt | boudicass: my debian goes to renderer unusable totally, unbootable to usable system, just boot till the load initrd and entering init level.. how to solve ? |
| 04:46.20 | LIV2 | how helpful |
| 04:46.57 | boudiccas | blackshit no idea, sorry |
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| 04:47.05 | LIV2 | aimka: are you using the builtin speakers? |
| 04:47.13 | DeM0nFiRe | lol boudiccas you missed an r hahaha |
| 04:47.40 | aminpy | LIV2, yes |
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| 04:48.22 | boudiccas | DeM0nFiRe; well if he can misspell my nick, so can i his nick! |
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| 04:50.06 | adv_ | i just installed postfix, what do i have to do in order to send email out? |
| 04:50.27 | adv_ | from my local account |
| 04:52.50 | aminpy | adv_, why do you ask this in #postfix? |
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| 04:53.03 | aminpy | don't* |
| 04:54.10 | Uchiha_Itachi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.27 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, how? |
| 04:55.35 | Uchiha_Itachi | ./etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 04:56.27 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, relayhost = |
| 04:56.27 | adv_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.31 | adv_ | it's blank |
| 04:57.41 | Uchiha_Itachi | relayhost = (default: direct delivery to Internet) |
| 04:58.14 | Uchiha_Itachi | postfix version? |
| 04:58.45 | adv_ | squeeze's |
| 04:59.27 | Uchiha_Itachi | not debian, postfix |
| 04:59.56 | Uchiha_Itachi | http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html |
| 05:00.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: postfix |
| 05:00.04 | dpkg | Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Receiving "no mechanism available" with SASL when used as a SMTP client? Install the suggested libsasl2-modules package. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 05:00.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions postfix |
| 05:00.39 | judd | Package postfix on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.5-1.1; lenny-proposed-updates: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.8.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.8.3-1; wheezy: 2.8.3-1 |
| 05:00.43 | LIV2 | aminpy: in alsamixer you should find that there are options that are mute toggles without volume sliders, have you tried making sure they're all unmuted? also is there a red light coming out of the headphone jack? |
| 05:01.17 | adv_ | thanks |
| 05:01.24 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, 2.7.1-1 |
| 05:01.48 | xreal | Is there a log for cron on squeeze? |
| 05:02.16 | Uchiha_Itachi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.30 | Uchiha_Itachi | that should solve the blank main.cf problem |
| 05:02.57 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, it's not blank, just the relayhost line is blank |
| 05:03.07 | adv_ | meaning nothing after the = |
| 05:03.46 | Uchiha_Itachi | just add an smtp server to relay your mails |
| 05:04.01 | aminpy | LIV2, Surround, S/PDIF S/PDIF D |
| 05:04.29 | aminpy | LIV2, these options don't have volum level line |
| 05:04.36 | aminpy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:04.41 | LIV2 | are the S/PDIF lines muted? |
| 05:04.44 | LIV2 | eh |
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| 05:04.57 | LIV2 | are the SPDIF lines muted? |
| 05:05.10 | aminpy | LIV2, yeah |
| 05:05.21 | aminpy | LIV2, this uption doesn't have volum line |
| 05:05.24 | LIV2 | cool and master + pcm are cranked up unmuted right? |
| 05:05.26 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, which? |
| 05:05.32 | LIV2 | spdif is the optical out |
| 05:05.46 | Uchiha_Itachi | you could use gmail smtp server |
| 05:06.08 | Uchiha_Itachi | smtp.gmail.com:465 |
| 05:06.10 | aminpy | LIV2, Master and PCM have volum line and they are raised |
| 05:06.11 | Uchiha_Itachi | use SSL |
| 05:06.27 | LIV2 | and is there an MM underneath either one of them? |
| 05:06.56 | aminpy | LIV2, Master hase a 00 and PCM doesn't have anything under the line |
| 05:07.34 | LIV2 | interesting well that sounds like it should be working |
| 05:07.39 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, i should add that to relayhost? |
| 05:07.43 | LIV2 | what happens when you plug headphones i? |
| 05:07.44 | adv_ | to the relayhost line |
| 05:08.01 | Uchiha_Itachi | adv_, yeap |
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| 05:08.18 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, and credentials? |
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| 05:10.18 | aminpy | LIV2, I don't have any sound with headphone too |
| 05:10.54 | Uchiha_Itachi | adv_, i can't recall all postfix options, SSL authentication are there too! |
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| 05:12.38 | Uchiha_Itachi | adv_, smtpd_use_tls |
| 05:12.58 | adv_ | Uchiha_Itachi, do i have to provide user/pass somewhere? |
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| 05:13.54 | wols | for pure tls, no. if you also use sasl yes |
| 05:15.18 | adv_ | i don't quite understand. i have smtpd_use_tls=yes and relayhost=smtp.gmail.com:465 , if i type mail user1@host1.com, it should send the mail? |
| 05:15.27 | adv_ | am i understanding correctly? |
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| 05:16.32 | wols | iirc gmail wants sasl auth |
| 05:16.53 | adv_ | what's the simplest way i can send mail from my local user? |
| 05:17.12 | aminpy | wols, hi, I installed debian in iMac, and I added my user to audio group and I relogin to my system, then I raised alsamixer levels, but I don't have any sound, can you help me? |
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| 05:19.33 | xreal | What's wrong with this cron? */10 * * * * root /check_system.sh |
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| 05:20.10 | wols | adv_: it's not by using smtpd_use_tls cause that means your postfix accepts messages via tls, not that it tries to transport them that way |
| 05:20.30 | wols | xreal: you really have a script in your / directory= |
| 05:20.35 | wols | ? |
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| 05:22.51 | xreal | wols: Just for testing :-) |
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| 05:24.47 | xreal | Is this line okay? |
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| 05:44.19 | boudiccas | xreal; does it work? |
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| 05:47.31 | xreal | boudiccas: nope |
| 05:52.50 | boudiccas | xreal; you need the full path tot eh script to be run |
| 05:52.55 | boudiccas | to the |
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| 05:53.49 | xreal | boudiccas: it's on root, but let's try another dir |
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| 05:59.36 | neoclasical | alguien aca? |
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| 06:01.50 | wols | !es |
| 06:01.50 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 06:14.16 | xreal | What's wrong with this cron? */10 * * * * root /osm/check_system.sh |
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| 06:15.18 | Dewi | xreal: 'root' |
| 06:15.38 | Dewi | xreal: which cron is this? |
| 06:16.00 | Dewi | xreal: none of mine have usernames... |
| 06:16.42 | xreal | Dewi: It's my own script. It works |
| 06:16.46 | xreal | I want to run it every 10 minutes |
| 06:17.45 | Dewi | xreal: are you sure it's in cron's $PATH? |
| 06:17.52 | Dewi | xreal: cause you haven't given it a path |
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| 06:19.40 | xreal | Dewi: How should it look like with a path? |
| 06:19.53 | Dewi | xreal: /path/of/script/root |
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| 06:20.52 | nadar | hi+ |
| 06:20.55 | nadar | *-+ |
| 06:20.59 | xreal | Dewi: /osm/ is the path |
| 06:21.40 | Dewi | xreal: what error are you getting? I'm only guessing here... |
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| 06:21.47 | nadar | is there a way to limit apt-gets's bandwith? |
| 06:21.53 | xreal | Dewi: Where can I check the errors ? |
| 06:22.01 | Dewi | xreal: they are emailed to the user who owns the cron |
| 06:22.10 | Dewi | xreal: do you really have a script called 'root' ? |
| 06:22.26 | xreal | Dewi: That's the name? I thought, the running user. |
| 06:22.57 | Dewi | xreal: which crontab is this? |
| 06:23.02 | Dewi | xreal: mine do not work that way |
| 06:23.26 | jmarsden | Dewi: /etc/crontab works that way, per user crontabs in /var/whatever do not have the user field |
| 06:23.36 | Dewi | jmarsden: thx |
| 06:24.00 | Dewi | xreal: check if your root email is working I guess |
| 06:24.23 | xreal | Dewi: It works, normally. |
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| 06:25.44 | wols | nadar: no |
| 06:25.56 | xreal | I don't have a clue, how to get this wokring. |
| 06:25.57 | xreal | Damn. |
| 06:26.05 | xreal | I just want to run it every 10 minutes. |
| 06:26.07 | wols | nadar: well, not totally true: you can use a proxy for apt requests and throttle it via proxy |
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| 06:26.30 | xreal | *please* help me. I am trying for 4 hours now. |
| 06:26.35 | Dewi | xreal: does root have permission to run the script? |
| 06:26.54 | jmarsden | xreal: Make sure you have an end of line after that entry in /etc/crontab |
| 06:26.57 | xreal | Dewi: of course. |
| 06:27.05 | xreal | jmarsden: I am using crontab -e |
| 06:27.18 | jmarsden | Oh... then what is that "root" doing in there? |
| 06:27.35 | xreal | jmarsden: Do I need to remove it? |
| 06:27.41 | jmarsden | xreal: Yes. |
| 06:27.46 | LIV2 | xreal: chmod +x /osm/check_system.sh |
| 06:27.55 | xreal | LIV2: that was the first thing, I did :-) |
| 06:28.13 | LIV2 | which file is this? /etc/crontab? |
| 06:28.19 | xreal | LIV2: Nope. |
| 06:28.21 | LIV2 | i missed your earlier comments |
| 06:28.24 | jmarsden | xreal: The "does it have an end of line after it" applies to crontab -e edits also, by the way. |
| 06:28.25 | xreal | LIV2: I am using crontab -e |
| 06:28.41 | xreal | jmarsden: It's not in /etc/ctrontab |
| 06:28.56 | xreal | 17 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 06:28.56 | xreal | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 06:28.56 | xreal | 47 6 * * 7 root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly ) |
| 06:28.56 | xreal | 52 6 1 * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly ) |
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| 06:29.02 | LIV2 | haha |
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| 06:29.59 | jmarsden | xreal: OK. if mail is working on your system, you can add a line MAILTO=you above your crontab entry, so cron will email you about any issues when it runs the job. |
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| 06:30.17 | jmarsden | where "you" is your username, of course. |
| 06:30.38 | xreal | jmarsden: using crontab -e ? |
| 06:30.42 | jmarsden | xreal: Yes. |
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| 06:31.01 | xreal | */10 * * * * /osm/check_system.sh MAILTO=xreal ? |
| 06:31.17 | LIV2 | no, the mailto= should be above the check_system line |
| 06:31.19 | jmarsden | NO. |
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| 06:31.33 | jmarsden | MAILTO= on separate line before the job. and MAILTO is upper case |
| 06:31.48 | xreal | LIV2 there is no check_system line |
| 06:32.00 | xreal | Is anyone using Squeeze in here? |
| 06:32.17 | jmarsden | xreal: Did you ever think of doing man 5 crontab and actually reading what the crontab file format is supposed to be, and look at the examples in there? |
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| 06:32.39 | xreal | jmarsden: I don't even have a clue, what "5" means in there. |
| 06:32.39 | LIV2 | xreal: http://pastie.org/2354332 |
| 06:32.41 | jmarsden | 4 hours, and you didn't bother to read the man page... ? |
| 06:32.46 | LIV2 | I'm using squeeze |
| 06:32.47 | jmarsden | xreal: Then man man |
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| 06:33.08 | xreal | LIV2: oh, the email address. I thought the user ; |
| 06:33.10 | xreal | ;) |
| 06:33.39 | xreal | It works now, thanks a lot. |
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| 07:18.36 | syntaxx | anyone here tried preseed the partition using partman on a existing filesystem? i cant make it to work.. |
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| 07:27.32 | lng | hi! I can login to the server with RSA key only. how to allow logins by password? actually, I need to let one user to use sftp to one dir |
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| 07:28.22 | blahdeblah | Hi. What should be my go-to FTP daemon on Debian if i'm looking to restrict FTP users to their own home directories? vsftpd, proftpd, and pureftpd all seem popular around the Intertubes... |
| 07:28.54 | stockholm | vsftpd seems best |
| 07:29.42 | sedulous | pure-ftpd can also do that, blahdeblah |
| 07:30.25 | wols | blahdeblah: is there any good reason to use ftp at all? |
| 07:30.55 | lng | how to allow SSH logins by pass? |
| 07:31.03 | sedulous | i've used both vsftpd and pure-ftpd. both work just fine. the former has less options and is configured in minutes even if you're new to it. the latter is much more flexible (user databases, ...) |
| 07:31.23 | blahdeblah | wols: I tried to talk the developer into SFTP only, but he reckons the Windows tools he uses don't have very SFTP support. |
| 07:31.34 | blahdeblah | sedulous: Thanks - good info. I will probably start with vsftpd then. |
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| 07:32.44 | sedulous | i prefer FTPS over SFTP for untrusted users because it's all too easy to forget something in sshd_config and grant too many privileges (maybe port-forwarding, etc) |
| 07:32.55 | sedulous | it's harder to screw up a FTPS configuration |
| 07:33.47 | blahdeblah | sedulous: That's not a big deal for me at the moment, because nearly all inbound & outbound ports are blocked at the firewall, and outbound especially is very locked down. |
| 07:34.28 | sedulous | blahdeblah: you can confine SFTP users without building a chroot nowadays too |
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| 07:35.57 | sedulous | (ssh_config: ForceCommand internal-sftp & ChrootDirectory) |
| 07:36.04 | kdawg | hey guys i know this might sound like a stupid question but i've searched google and i have had no luck figuring out on how to upgrade the debian depencies for squeze in my lenny distro for apt-get |
| 07:37.47 | sedulous | kdawg: "apt-get dist-upgrade" should do the trick |
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| 07:40.20 | kdawg | well what i am really trying to do is upgrade my copy of vsftpd version 2.0.7 to a newer one but i can't seem to find the sources for that |
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| 07:41.29 | Zap-W | Hi , what's the syntax of dc_relay_nets in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 07:46.31 | lng | how to restrict access to only one dir to sftp user? |
| 07:46.37 | Digdilem | Zap-W, dc_relay_nets='10.0.0.0/24;10.0.1.0/24;10.0.3.0/24;10.0.2.0/24" |
| 07:46.45 | Zap-W | thanks |
| 07:46.53 | Zap-W | Digdilem |
| 07:46.55 | Zap-W | brb |
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| 07:47.00 | Digdilem | np |
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| 08:24.03 | kull | Can the Sony PS3 open lrf ebook files? |
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| 08:25.58 | wols | kull: #debian, not #ps3 |
| 08:26.27 | kull | wols: Do you know the answer? |
| 08:27.15 | wols | please go away |
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| 08:29.03 | Skilz | Is there some command line cd ripper to mp3? |
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| 08:32.40 | jelly-home | Skilz: cdparanoia + lame |
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| 08:43.50 | syntaxx | anyone successful in preserving partion and data during preseed? |
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| 08:51.36 | balboah | is the release date for wheezy out? or can I expect a kernel upgrade in squeeze as well? |
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| 08:53.12 | balboah | I'm only trying to get aes ni hardware support, it's a module. But compiling it from linux-source package disables Xen dom0. and using my own .39 version from backports makes my xen server instable |
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| 09:02.18 | hydromet | Hi, this may sound like a silly question, but why are 64-bit Debian binary packages usually of a name format that refers to "amd64" such as "xyz_amd64.deb"? Isn't the 64-bit equivalent for Intel chips known as "EM64T"? |
| 09:02.47 | iceroot | hydromet: amd64 is used in intel and amd |
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| 09:02.54 | iceroot | hydromet: the architectur is called amd64 |
| 09:03.07 | iceroot | hydromet: there is also 64bit with itanium-cpus (not very common) |
| 09:03.44 | hydromet | iceroot: ok, I guess that makes sense but wouldn't Intel be very upset about deferring to the actual brand name of "amd"? How did AMD and Intel agree to this when they are such competitors? |
| 09:03.57 | kuznetzvo | intel stole their shit. |
| 09:04.17 | hydromet | kuznetzvo: LOL! |
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| 09:05.17 | wols | hydromet: i386 is named for intel, so there |
| 09:05.23 | hydromet | yeah but check this out < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 > ... "x86-64 is still used by many in the industry as a vendor-neutral term, while others, notably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems[4] (now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Corporation) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft,[5] use x64." |
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| 09:06.10 | hydromet | I think this makes more sense for Debian binary packages, the format of "xyz_x64.deb" |
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| 09:06.44 | wols | hydromet: no. amd64 was chosen in linux long ago and it stuck (before there was a 64bit windows) |
| 09:06.57 | wols | changing it now would create lots of unneeded problems |
| 09:07.10 | hydromet | the reference specifically to amd is confusing for newcomers and requires them to spend unnecessary amounts of time worrying about it (i.e., "will this 64 bit Debian package run on my Xeon Intel CPU multi core system?) |
| 09:07.32 | chriswaterguy | Hi - I used the command "xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768" to connect my laptop to a projector - but it also changed my laptop's own display. How do I get it back to 1366x768? |
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| 09:08.24 | wols | chriswaterguy: --mode 1366x768 ? |
| 09:08.34 | hydromet | wols: true, I can see your point (once names take root, its hard to change them) but maybe there's a way to do a gradual name transition? |
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| 09:09.13 | hydromet | wols: if I wanted to propose a name change, who should I write a proposal letter to within the Debian community? |
| 09:09.25 | wols | hydromet: "will this i386 package run on my phenom, I have no i386". same thing. give it a rest |
| 09:09.46 | wols | hydromet: I suggest linus torvalds. the linux kernel's arch uses amd64 |
| 09:10.07 | hydromet | wols: great, I will write to Linus for sure! |
| 09:10.07 | wols | hydromet: hint: you are not the first crusader in this issue |
| 09:10.21 | kuznetzvo | lol.. |
| 09:10.31 | hydromet | wols: ok, then Linus needs some reinforcing crusaders |
| 09:10.43 | wols | hydromet: stop digging |
| 09:10.47 | hydromet | besides, Linus was surfing on Maui recently which is my home town state |
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| 09:10.59 | hydromet | (of Hawaii) |
| 09:11.19 | hydromet | I will give Linus some free surf lessons and talk with him about this name change proposal at the same time |
| 09:11.30 | chriswaterguy | wols: I get "xrandr: cannot find mode 1366x768" |
| 09:11.41 | Trewas | in the kernel it's called x86-64, amd64 is quite debian-specific |
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| 09:12.58 | chriswaterguy | I tried "xrandr --newmode 1366x768" - it seems to need another parameter (clock MHz) - not sure how to choose that. |
| 09:12.59 | hydromet | Trewas thanks -- the reference to "x86-64" makes much more sense. There really should not at all be a commercial company name. That would be like saying "xyz_applemac.deb" |
| 09:13.13 | dhaivat | Is there any way I can "compile" gcc without having a C compiler? |
| 09:14.16 | colo-work | chriswaterguy, calculate a modeline suitable for your needs with the `cvt` CLI program (distributed with Xorg) |
| 09:14.29 | colo-work | dhaivat, nope |
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| 09:14.42 | streuner | dhaivat: is that LFS? |
| 09:14.48 | dhaivat | colo-worlk: how did they compile the first gcc then? |
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| 09:15.02 | dhaivat | streuner: no, I'm just wondering, but, what would you do for LFS? |
| 09:15.23 | streuner | nothing |
| 09:15.26 | colo-work | dhaivat, I presume by compiling its binary from the C sources with another C compiler ;) |
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| 09:15.49 | dhaivat | colo-work: what about the first C compiler ever written?! |
| 09:15.51 | sedulous | lng: ssh_config: ForceCommand internal-sftp & ChrootDirectory |
| 09:16.00 | colo-work | the first C compiler, of course, would have to have been implemented in ASM |
| 09:16.00 | dhaivat | streuner: what do you mean? How would I get gcc then? |
| 09:16.53 | chriswaterguy | is checking how to use cvt... |
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| 09:17.28 | shbk | d |
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| 09:22.03 | chriswaterguy | ack - worried what will happen to my monitor if I choose the wrong input Hz for cvt... is there a way I can just make X reset , without restarting? |
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| 09:22.33 | chriswaterguy | i.e. reset to its normal boot config. |
| 09:23.03 | sedulous | actually the first C compiler seems to have been implemented in B and compiled with a B compiler: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/chist.html |
| 09:23.35 | streuner | dhaivat: http://gcc.gnu.org/install/prerequisites.html |
| 09:25.21 | dhaivat | whoaa |
| 09:26.17 | sedulous | it's hard to imagine the first versions of UNIX, only 12 KB large |
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| 09:26.56 | sedulous | nowadays the accumulated code for printing a single character, from userspace down to the kernel, is probably 10x as large |
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| 09:27.45 | hanibana | hi.... I want to connect to an IPsec VPN server from command line. What VPN client should I use? |
| 09:27.46 | syntaxx | anyone successful in preserving partion and data during preseed? |
| 09:28.15 | wols | !ipsec |
| 09:28.15 | dpkg | Internet Protocol Security (IPsec) is a protocol suite for securing Internet Protocol communications by authenticating and encrypting each IP packet of a data stream. Ask me about <openswan>, <racoon>. http://wiki.debian.org/IPsec |
| 09:29.26 | syntaxx | !preseed |
| 09:29.26 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 09:36.11 | chipnt | what service is taking care of iptables in debian 5 ? |
| 09:36.15 | chipnt | it enables |
| 09:36.35 | chipnt | but it doesnt display |
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| 09:37.08 | wols | chipnt: by default: none. unless you installed one. |
| 09:37.13 | wols | what does it enable exactly? |
| 09:37.31 | chipnt | i did iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o vmbr0 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
| 09:37.37 | chipnt | to enable a vps to net |
| 09:37.38 | chipnt | then |
| 09:37.58 | chipnt | iptables -t nat -n -L |
| 09:38.01 | chipnt | and shows nothing |
| 09:38.11 | chipnt | but internet on container gets enabled |
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| 09:38.45 | wols | what "container"? and: what internal IP does the container have and is ip forwarding enabled? |
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| 09:43.35 | skilz | How can I set a sound so when I press a key it plays like a wav or something |
| 09:43.57 | skilz | like on statrek when they type it goes bip bip bip ect |
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| 09:45.14 | kuznetzvo | wow |
| 09:45.33 | colo-work | :D |
| 09:45.39 | kuznetzvo | you know i just have to say, while that may seem cool and appealing at some point during your life, you will inevitably quickly find it becomes annoying as fuck |
| 09:46.43 | skilz | Yeah true! |
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| 09:47.10 | skilz | haha |
| 09:47.18 | skilz | Just something to do for a laugh |
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| 09:48.19 | kuznetzvo | if you don't like the way your keyboard sounds when you press a key, buy a new keyboard :) |
| 09:48.47 | kuznetzvo | but yeah, if i knew how to set that up, i would probably tell you. google search didn't return anything terribly obvious, but I *did* just take 16 diphenhydramine tablets. |
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| 09:53.27 | kuznetzvo | I don't see a way of doing it without hooking whatever runs in the background to detect and process a key press... and i don't know of any obvious packages with that direction of development |
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| 09:54.26 | kuznetzvo | but you have my interest now, even though i'll be passing out soon. so what we talkin here, gdm? kde? xfce? console only? |
| 09:54.48 | kuznetzvo | if i had to bet money on it i'd guess there are at least a few options out there for sound themes in the big window managers |
| 09:55.47 | scoobertron | does anyone know how to print the resolution of a video file to stout? I can use ffmpeg -i $file which prints to the terminal, but I can't grep for just the resolution (I need this for a bash script) |
| 09:55.50 | chipnt | wols: 192.168.1.6 |
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| 09:56.42 | wols | chipnt: and it's the same subnet as your host for the "container"? |
| 09:57.00 | chipnt | yes |
| 09:57.03 | chipnt | i use openvz |
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| 09:58.19 | wols | "vmbr0" sounds like bridging. why does one do NAT and bridging at the same time? makes no sense to me |
| 09:58.34 | chipnt | wols it worked to us |
| 09:58.38 | chipnt | last 30 days |
| 09:58.44 | chipnt | but today i had a server reboot |
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| 09:58.54 | chipnt | and it doesnt display the current iptables config |
| 09:58.58 | chipnt | after a reboot |
| 09:59.03 | chipnt | even if its activated |
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| 10:00.44 | burgdorfer | Hi. I'm trying to install Etch on a sparc box and keep getting "Bad archive mirror" even though it should be fine. ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ contains etch/ under dists/ so what is the problem? The lenny and squeeze images both die on me with a kernel panic. |
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| 10:02.21 | kuznetzvo | burg, are you seeing if those exist using HTTP or using FTP? could be a firewall issue if you have that set up on your network |
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| 10:04.18 | burgdorfer | kuznetzvo: I'm just looking at the traffic and found this: "The requested URL /debian-archive/debian//dists/stable/Release was not found on this server.". |
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| 10:04.41 | kuznetzvo | if it's looking for a double slash that might break it |
| 10:05.05 | burgdorfer | kuznetzvo: Pretty sure it wouldn't, the default value is /debian/ |
| 10:05.22 | kuznetzvo | i don't know specifically how that's parsed though |
| 10:05.39 | kuznetzvo | as for the other thing, as i'm not familiar with the SPARC architecture first hand, this was the only useful thing I found that might be related: http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2005/12/msg00065.html |
| 10:06.00 | burgdorfer | kuznetzvo: "stable" doesn't exist in that directory, hence "debian-archive". I don't really care about stable, I want etch. How do I explain this to the installer? |
| 10:06.12 | wols | burgdorfer: what archive mirror exactly? etch is out of support and not on normal debian mirrors anymore |
| 10:06.50 | wols | burgdorfer: what debian installer do you use exactly? if it's netinst or CD1 you don't need any network access in the installer and no apt mirror |
| 10:07.03 | burgdorfer | wols: As mentioned before, the mirror is "ftp.ch.debian.org" and under "/debian-archive/debian/dists/" there exists an Etch folder. |
| 10:07.23 | burgdorfer | wols: It's the netboot boot.img for sparc. |
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| 10:08.43 | wols | so change wherever you see debian/dists/stable to debian/dists/etch in your netboot image and restart it |
| 10:08.44 | kuznetzvo | i'm in /mirror/debian/dists and etch ain't there mate... lemme continue looking |
| 10:09.04 | skilz | kuznetzvo: I was talking about in Flubox |
| 10:09.07 | wols | kuznetzvo: ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-archive/debian//dists/etch/ |
| 10:09.08 | kuznetzvo | found it |
| 10:09.14 | kuznetzvo | nice timing wols :) |
| 10:09.15 | skilz | kuznetzvo: What type of pillz did you take? |
| 10:09.28 | kuznetzvo | diphenhydramine, cheap, OTC, and effective |
| 10:09.38 | skilz | What is it? |
| 10:10.06 | kuznetzvo | antihistamine with anticholinergenic effects, very sedating. need it to sleep every now and then. |
| 10:10.16 | burgdorfer | I know it's there, that's what I've been telling you. What's the problem? The installer fails if there is no "stable" but I don't want stable I want Etch. |
| 10:10.56 | burgdorfer | I'm running the sparc64 netboot image from that very server. |
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| 10:11.38 | wols | burgdorfer: what prevents you from editing again? |
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| 10:12.42 | kdawg | anyone here use vsftpd? |
| 10:12.46 | burgdorfer | wols: Editing what? If I point the installer to the /debian/ folder where stable exists, it passes fine but won't let me install Etch. |
| 10:13.42 | wols | burgdorfer: did you read what I wrote above? |
| 10:14.30 | kdawg | recieving this error 500 OOPS: SSL: ssl_enable is set but SSL support not compiled in |
| 10:14.31 | wols | that netboot image is hardcoded for "stable" but since it's all text, you can edit it |
| 10:14.37 | kdawg | can't enable start it |
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| 10:15.29 | wols | kdawg: what version of vsftpd is it? |
| 10:15.30 | burgdorfer | wols: Oh I didn't see that. I'll give that a try, thanks. But still, why does the installer behave in such a weird way? It's the etch installer pointed to an etch repo. |
| 10:16.26 | wols | burgdorfer: it's not weird. "stable" was a perfectly fine keyword to use back when this installer was made. and back then, stable was etch. nowadays it isn't. which is why newer debians use the release name instead of "stable" for their sources.list |
| 10:17.04 | burgdorfer | wols: Oh they only thought of that now? That explains it... |
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| 10:17.23 | wols | burgdorfer: lenny or so was the turning point I think |
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| 10:18.13 | burgdorfer | wols: by the way, the netboot image isn't "all text". Also, I can't find "stable" in there: strings boot.img | grep stable |
| 10:18.23 | kdawg | newest version compiled from scractch although it's been isntalled over top of an older version, but cofiguration file from version 2.0.7 but the issue is the settings are for the older one but you would think the new version would have tsl support |
| 10:18.55 | wols | burgdorfer: it's an archive. probably compressed of course. check what type it is |
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| 10:19.18 | burgdorfer | wols: sparc executable |
| 10:19.32 | wols | burgdorfer: if all else fails: copy the needed dirs and files from ftp.ch.debian.org and put it on your own mirror under the proper directory and point it at that |
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| 10:20.00 | burgdorfer | wols: I was thinking about that but figured it shouldn't be such a big deal to install an old version of Debian... Might actually end up doing that. |
| 10:20.03 | wols | you sure this is what is run? nothing else? |
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| 10:20.42 | burgdorfer | wols: Yes, the sparc box fetches the binary from the TFTP server and runs it. |
| 10:23.24 | wols | dunno how to unpack that archive :( |
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| 10:25.04 | burgdorfer | I love SUN boxes: "What is the way to get to the OK prompt when the console is a serial terminal? My experience says - powercycle the box and remove monitor, keyboard and mouse before it loads openprom." |
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| 10:31.13 | skilz | How can I share my internet from ppp0 to eth0? |
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| 10:33.02 | wols | !ipmasq |
| 10:33.02 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
| 10:33.12 | mina2 | i had an issue with gnome menus vanishing after reboot |
| 10:33.32 | mina2 | i saw a link that asks me to call sudo sh -c "/usr/share/gnome-menus/update-gnome-menus-cache /usr/share/applications/ > /usr/share/applications/desktop.${LANG}.cache" |
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| 10:33.52 | Mmike | How unsafe is 'data=writeback' for ext4? |
| 10:34.00 | mina2 | should i use ${LANG} as it is or substitute with en or en-US not sure |
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| 10:36.41 | wols | mina2: echo $LANG |
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| 10:46.31 | qwertz__ | Hi, we'd like to separate internal and external dns server. atm we have one external server that serves external and internal ips. now we'd like to move all internal domain names to a separate dns server in our internal network. If the internal dns hasn't the name asked for it should pass the request to the external one. does anybody know if any dns software is able to do this? powerdns (we use it atm) isn't. |
| 10:47.23 | kuznetzvo | what about good ol' bind? |
| 10:48.01 | kuznetzvo | and good job on making a potentially beneficial security decision |
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| 10:49.07 | qwertz__ | kuznetzvo: i've always heard that bind is quite challenging in installation and configuration |
| 10:49.14 | kuznetzvo | honestly man, it's not |
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| 10:49.20 | kuznetzvo | it's easy to learn, difficult to master |
| 10:49.30 | kuznetzvo | kinda same situation with sql engines, sendmail, apache, etc |
| 10:49.30 | johanhar | Hi. How can I enter su and stay there (centos, the channel is locked) |
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| 10:50.35 | johanhar | su -someargument . cant find the argument :( |
| 10:50.39 | wols | johanhar: then register or whatever. we are not #centos |
| 10:50.41 | kuznetzvo | one night i got an assignment from the ciso to build a lab box with DNS, HTTP, mail, etc |
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| 10:51.11 | kuznetzvo | had messed with apache on windows before but not sendmail or bind. no formal education beyond certification course for mcsa, network+, a+ |
| 10:51.14 | johanhar | wols: thought it might be the same on all unix systems |
| 10:51.28 | kuznetzvo | and it was easy for me to figure out and get it done one brief evening |
| 10:51.28 | wols | johanhar: then go to #linux. we are #debian |
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| 10:52.04 | kuznetzvo | i mean if you know DNS and how it works, you already know how to set up bind really. you just don't now exactly what to configure to set it up |
| 10:52.07 | Bushmills | qwertz__: that's a rather untypical thing to do for a name server |
| 10:52.09 | namelessdes | what a nice cop wols is :) |
| 10:52.25 | kuznetzvo | bush: i was thinking that but wouldn't be the first time i've seen it. |
| 10:52.51 | kuznetzvo | if it's not a big issue you can give it direct outbound access port 53 to wherever it needs to go |
| 10:53.05 | Bushmills | kuznetzvo: if you find bind too daunting, maradns is a simpler alternative. |
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| 10:54.00 | kuznetzvo | sorry i gotta pass out. ttyl folks |
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| 11:03.18 | jelly | Bushmills: maradns looks a bit dead upstream |
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| 11:04.04 | jelly | or it looked dead a week ago, but was really just resting "The most recent release was done on August 5, 2011" |
| 11:04.40 | jelly | I like the look of PowerDNS, even if it's missing some features $employer needs |
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| 11:06.05 | Bushmills | as auth-only, i'd suggest to also have a look at NSD |
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| 11:07.11 | Bushmills | but maradns can be used as authoritative, recursive and forwarding server |
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| 11:08.20 | jelly | I don't like integrated auth+recursor for obvious reasons |
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| 11:08.56 | Bushmills | its configuration determines its role(s) |
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| 11:22.13 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:22.57 | Furai` | \o |
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| 11:25.31 | tdn | I am trying to automate some installation processes and I get these questions from apt-get/dpkg: http://p.adora.dk/P2127.html What argument do I need to give apt-get in order to just answer with default value for this type of questions? Appearently, -y is not enough. |
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| 11:27.46 | themill | tdn: you rarely want to automate this step as it's planning to wipe your own configuration changes. That said, man dpkg has information on "confnew", "confold" etc; "/msg dpkg confmiss" for the general form of the command you would use |
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| 11:30.56 | tdn | themill, default is N, so it will not wipe my current config, right? |
| 11:31.19 | themill | tdn: it may also leave an improperly configured daemon, of course |
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| 11:32.10 | themill | tdn: if you can use foo.d/myconfig instead of editing foo.conf then that's a great way around this problem; your particular example doesn't lend itself to that however |
| 11:32.53 | tdn | themill, Well... It is for /etc/subversion, it does not seem to have a .d folder. |
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| 11:49.46 | iceroot | how to purge the config of an already removed package? dpkg -l gives "rc" for foo but "apt-get remove --purge foo" says foo is not installed |
| 11:50.28 | abrotman | iceroot: man dpkg or man aptitude |
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| 11:55.50 | DimmuR | Hello. I've just installed debian wheezy on acer one 522 wth kernel 3.0. After boot i just get something like pixel blare and debian freeze. It could be vga mode related but i can't find way to force standard vga in 3.0 kernels any ideas how i can solve this? |
| 11:57.40 | tdn | themill, dpkg has no clue about confold :( |
| 11:58.03 | tdn | And I guess it is actually confold I want. Confnew will overwrite existing conf, right? confold will keep it? |
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| 11:59.11 | wols | !nomodeset |
| 11:59.25 | wols | dpkg: ping |
| 11:59.25 | dpkg | Yes, wols you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
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| 11:59.50 | themill | tdn: "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confold' $action" doesn't work for you? (for $action = safe-upgrade etc) |
| 12:00.00 | wols | DimmuR: boot with the option "nomodeset" |
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| 12:01.39 | tdn | themill, thanks. |
| 12:01.43 | tdn | themill, it works. |
| 12:01.51 | tdn | themill, I meant the dpkg bot did not have a clue :) |
| 12:02.02 | tdn | themill, that was the message it gave me when asking for confold :) |
| 12:02.52 | themill | tdn: that's why I said "/msg dpkg confmiss" for the general form of the command ;) |
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| 12:03.32 | dokma | guyz do you think that reducing niceness for apache2 and mysql is a good move for a web server machine? |
| 12:03.47 | tdn | themill, ah. Ok. |
| 12:03.57 | dokma | abrotman: ??? ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 12:04.04 | abrotman | hi? |
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| 12:04.13 | abrotman | dokma: why would you do that? |
| 12:04.30 | wols | abrotman: it's for the environment. saving energy! |
| 12:04.37 | dokma | abrotman: because sometimes I can see that apache stalls a bit when something else like spamassassin hit the cpu |
| 12:04.49 | abrotman | dokma: so why not re-nice SA ? |
| 12:05.05 | abrotman | would think that would be the better way to go |
| 12:05.19 | themill | making sure that the machine isn't thrashing would also be sensible |
| 12:05.22 | dokma | because then I would have to renice everything that might compete for CPU against apache |
| 12:05.34 | dokma | as opposed to simply reducing niceness for apache and mysql |
| 12:05.35 | abrotman | dokma: if SA is the hog, reduce the hog |
| 12:05.43 | dokma | it's not just sa |
| 12:05.59 | themill | dokma: you wouldn't want apache at a higher priority than (say) sshd though, would you? |
| 12:06.04 | dokma | I just ran find on /var/www and the same thing happened |
| 12:06.10 | abrotman | dokma: is your system swapping ? why does it run slowly? |
| 12:06.14 | dokma | themill: why not? |
| 12:06.17 | themill | (or your shell, while you're trying to kill the runaway apache process) |
| 12:06.23 | dokma | it's not swapping |
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| 12:06.30 | dokma | there's plenty of ram |
| 12:06.54 | dokma | it's just that I notice that when I run something else on the machine suddenly the number of apache processes goes up |
| 12:06.59 | abrotman | dokma: is it a VPS? |
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| 12:07.15 | dokma | no it's a dedicated box where I am root |
| 12:08.30 | dokma | themill, abrotman: so I'm getting a feel you guys don't like my idea, can you explain why? |
| 12:09.17 | abrotman | because it's not solving the real problem |
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| 12:10.00 | dokma | there is no real problem, it's not like it's some big issue. it's just that I thought it would be a good practice to do so |
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| 12:11.08 | themill | dokma: imagine you get /.ed -- you won't even be able to log in to try to deal with the situation because apache is at a higher priority than sshd and your shell. It's almost always better to make problem process less important rather than the other way around |
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| 12:13.24 | dokma | hmmm.... interesting. how is it that I won't be able to login if apache has a higher priority than ssh does? and I think that having ssh at higher priority would be a good idea. the problem is that every process I would span from such a shell would inherit (I think) niceness and then I would again cause apache to slow down with simple stuff like find and cp |
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| 12:14.14 | wols | cause the /.ing will make your apache run at the maximum speed and since ssh has a lower priority, it will get starved out by the scheduler |
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| 12:15.15 | dokma | hmmm... I have no idea how rooting would affect apache. how do you guyz know this? any good stuff to read about it? |
| 12:15.35 | balboah | How can you find out which package a certain program is in? Or where is the md5 or md5sum? |
| 12:15.54 | Bushmills | !apt-file |
| 12:15.54 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 12:16.02 | balboah | great, thank you |
| 12:16.20 | Fredfall | NP |
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| 12:32.06 | KamZou` | Hellp |
| 12:32.10 | KamZou` | Hello |
| 12:32.20 | KamZou` | Hello, i was wondering if there is a way to unmount a partition while some users are browsing it (a way to force the unmount; i appears -f isn't enough) |
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| 12:32.55 | boudiccas | KamZou`; yes, reboot |
| 12:32.57 | Bushmills | KamZou`: there's lazy unmount which might work. umount -l ... |
| 12:32.58 | abrotman | KamZou`: you can kill the processes that are accessing it |
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| 12:33.57 | KamZou | Hello, i was wondering if there is a way to unmount a partition while some users are browsing it (a way to force the unmount; i appears -f isn't enough) |
| 12:34.04 | abrotman | maybe if you hadn't quit ... |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | <boudiccas> KamZou`; yes, reboot |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | <Bushmills> KamZou`: there's lazy unmount which might work. umount -l ... |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | <abrotman> KamZou`: you can kill the processes that are accessing it |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | <-- KamZou` has quit (Quit: KamZou`) |
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| 12:34.13 | babilen | heh |
| 12:34.19 | abrotman | knew that was going to happen |
| 12:34.44 | jelly | itches to requote all that including the kick |
| 12:34.48 | KamZou | it's not an acceptable way for doing what i want indeed |
| 12:34.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:35.09 | KamZou | i would like to make a snapshot of a production partition each hour |
| 12:35.22 | jelly | so make a snapshot. |
| 12:35.28 | krion | yeah. |
| 12:35.34 | babilen | absolutely |
| 12:35.44 | abrotman | what does the snapshot have to do with people accessing it? |
| 12:36.01 | abrotman | (and i swear to god, if my admin disconnected me every hour, i'd disconnect his head from his body) |
| 12:36.05 | wols | abrotman: there are clients which let you paste >4 lines, even in #debian. they autothrottle (irssi) |
| 12:36.08 | KamZou | in my script : each hour there is 1) an unmount , 2) a lvremove ; 3) a lvcreate snapshot and a 4) a mount |
| 12:36.10 | krion | i snapshot my lvm partition every minute, that's what a backup is ! |
| 12:36.12 | abrotman | wols: i know |
| 12:36.36 | abrotman | KamZou: LVM can snapshot with people accessing it ? |
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| 12:37.12 | KamZou | the goal of my snapshot is to purpose a backup from dev files to developers each hour on a server |
| 12:37.12 | blubberdiblub | of course it can, that's the whole point of it, isn't it? |
| 12:37.28 | krion | yeah it is. |
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| 12:37.31 | KamZou | (sorry for my english) |
| 12:37.58 | krion | KamZou: you can snapshot a mounted lvm |
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| 12:38.02 | abrotman | yeah, i have no idea why he feels the need to disconnect people |
| 12:38.16 | jelly | KamZou: why do you umount and mount, anyway? |
| 12:38.17 | KamZou | yep i do this |
| 12:38.21 | Bushmills | because he can :) |
| 12:38.22 | krion | abrotman: because is a BOFH and he like to upset luser ! |
| 12:38.26 | KamZou | to make the new snapshot on the same mount |
| 12:38.41 | abrotman | KamZou: you don't have to disconnect anyone |
| 12:38.47 | krion | why do you do that ? |
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| 12:39.07 | KamZou | i don't have to unmount my partition ? |
| 12:39.11 | jelly | KamZou: no |
| 12:39.13 | abrotman | didn't we say that already? |
| 12:39.32 | krion | you can have your running data in /dev/data/lvolume and the backup in /dev/backup/lvolume |
| 12:39.42 | krion | abrotman: iirc, yes. |
| 12:39.53 | krion | yes we do ! |
| 12:40.07 | abrotman | scrolls up 20 lines ... |
| 12:40.38 | jelly | krion: your example dev paths look as if there's a separate VG for backup snapshots |
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| 12:40.50 | KamZou | so i just have to make another lvcreate -s (...) every hour, and then my developpers will access to the Backup LV dated from H-1 ? |
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| 12:41.16 | krion | jelly: yes, i do that, separate vg, cleaner in my POV |
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| 12:41.53 | jelly | krion: is that even possible |
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| 12:42.08 | jelly | and what does the command like look like |
| 12:42.09 | krion | hum, in fact i don't remember if i can snapshot outside of my running vg |
| 12:42.22 | DrArcheh | can anyone think of a way to find out what directory is using up all of my inodes? |
| 12:42.50 | krion | jelly: my bad, it's not possible |
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| 12:43.48 | jelly | DrArcheh: apart from doing find -xdev /mountpoint and some counting on the output? |
| 12:44.44 | jelly | or a visual inspection with very fast scrolling ;-) |
| 12:44.57 | DrArcheh | heh :) |
| 12:45.41 | DrArcheh | mmm, i guess the size of a directory increases as it gets more entries |
| 12:45.43 | Sgt_Lemming | time for bed, night all |
| 12:45.50 | jelly | no really, you can usually spot the millions of files in one dir like that because most of the path doesn't change while you're scrolling thru the output |
| 12:46.11 | KamZou | I go back to you, i was testing what you're advicing to me |
| 12:46.12 | DrArcheh | yeah, good point |
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| 12:46.18 | KamZou | but ... " Logical volume "root_snapshot" already exists in volume group "vg_principal" |
| 12:46.18 | KamZou | " |
| 12:46.38 | jelly | so change the name of the snapshot or remove the old one first |
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| 12:47.16 | KamZou | " Can't remove open logical volume "root_snapshot" |
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| 12:48.03 | squig | so I have always know I can hot plug scsi (inthis case FC) devices with linux, and I have an Sg device detected now, but what subsystem controls disk device creation? |
| 12:48.06 | krion | KamZou: isn't this your running root ? |
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| 12:49.20 | KamZou | krion, no |
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| 12:49.32 | jelly | KamZou: is it still mounted? Did you forget to deactivate (lvchange -an) it first? |
| 12:50.30 | KamZou | still mounted (cause they said me i have NOT to unmount it) |
| 12:50.49 | jelly | well duh |
| 12:50.52 | KamZou | i haven't lvchange -an |
| 12:51.17 | jelly | KamZou: how many snapshots do you need to be active at any point it time? |
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| 12:51.49 | KamZou | just 1 snapshot (root_snapshot) at any time |
| 12:52.12 | jelly | KamZou: and if you can't umount it, how are you going to create a new one with that same name? |
| 12:52.33 | jelly | those requirements are conflicting |
| 12:52.47 | KamZou | <KamZou> i don't have to unmount my partition ? |
| 12:52.47 | KamZou | <jelly> KamZou: no |
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| 12:53.04 | jelly | KamZou: you don't have to umount the original. |
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| 12:53.11 | KamZou | okkkkkkkk |
| 12:53.35 | KamZou | okay i was making a mistake just now so |
| 12:53.52 | KamZou | i know i don't have to unmount my / partition |
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| 12:54.07 | KamZou | but the need is (apparently) simple |
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| 12:54.54 | KamZou | i just want to know how to purpose my users a mount of the / partition; so my root_snapshot LV |
| 12:55.12 | KamZou | and to take a new snapshot to the same mount point each hours |
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| 12:56.26 | jelly | if you only want to have a single snapshot, you will have to umount, lvchange -an, and lvremove the old one before putting the new snapshot in its place |
| 12:56.55 | jelly | and you will have to kill the processes using that mountpoint |
| 12:57.55 | jelly | can't replace the filesystem underneath their feer |
| 12:57.59 | jelly | feet |
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| 13:01.25 | babilen | (users tend to get angry when you do that) |
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| 13:07.21 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | Is it possible to use OSSv4 (instead of ALSA) in Debian Wheezy? I've had nothing but trouble from it. |
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| 13:09.36 | abrotman | utrrrongeeb_fenr: you can if you want |
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| 13:13.04 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman: Sorry, poorly worded question. To rephrase: I'm trying to try OSS in Wheezy, but it doesn't work. |
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| 13:15.11 | rascal999 | squeezy here, using auditd i'm getting error The audit system is in immutable mode, no rules loaded |
| 13:15.14 | rascal999 | any ideas? |
| 13:15.29 | abrotman | !oss4 |
| 13:15.29 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian Squeeze. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:18.00 | KamZou | okay thanks jelly ! |
| 13:18.19 | KamZou | is there any "clean" way to fill my goal ?! |
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| 13:19.02 | KamZou | the goal of purpose to my developpers a backup (many many many little files) of my root partition every hour reloaded ? |
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| 13:19.08 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman, thanks, but it won't run right. There's a kernel oops, for one version, and the Debian one doesn't seem to install completely. |
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| 13:21.15 | jelly | KamZou: use multiple mountpoints, eg. /backup/00, /backup/01, ... /backup/23 |
| 13:21.36 | jelly | KamZou: and multiple snapshots active at the same time if needed |
| 13:21.38 | mads- | I want to make a bootable USB with debian. When I do "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb1" it says "bash: /dev/sdb1: Permission denied" even though I'm su |
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| 13:22.00 | reggieray | Hey guys, Ive just install Mysq- yet /etc/init.d/mysql start comes back with failed - Nothing at all in log files any ideas ? |
| 13:22.13 | abrotman | mads-: you sure you want /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 13:22.19 | jelly | KamZou: also: consider making block-based backups (of the whole snapshot device) instead of file-based backups |
| 13:22.48 | mads- | abrotman, yeah that is what ubuntu mounts when I put in my USB drive |
| 13:22.51 | abrotman | utrrrongeeb_fenr: i haven't done it at all |
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| 13:23.07 | abrotman | mads-: are you trying to setup a Debian installer or Ubuntu installer? |
| 13:23.14 | jelly | KamZou: it complicates the restore process a bit, but makes backups much faster when dealing with 10^6 or more files |
| 13:23.16 | Adriien | !vim |
| 13:23.16 | dpkg | [vim] Vi IMproved, an enhanced <vi> editor. Extremely popular clone with syntax highlighting and graphical X interface available. vim-tiny package no longer installs vim <alternatives> as of 2:7.2.049-1 (Debian bug #529977). See also <vim refcard>, <cream>, <colored pager>, <vim syntax highlighting>. http://www.vim.org/ http://vim.wikia.com/ #vim on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:23.21 | mads- | abrotman, debian installer from ubuntu |
| 13:23.30 | abrotman | mads-: you likely want /dev/sdb |
| 13:24.06 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman: Thanks, no problem. Maybe I should try #oss |
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| 13:24.13 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 13:24.19 | mads- | ah yeah, true. Read the manual wrong. But I still get Permission denied |
| 13:24.19 | KamZou | jelly: yes i want to make a block based BKP, it's why i'm looking for LVM based solutions |
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| 13:24.47 | jelly | KamZou: and it's not done in under 60 minutes? |
| 13:24.54 | KamZou | jelly: but the problem remains if i make many snapshots to differents mountpoints |
| 13:25.05 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | mads-: sdb1 isn't mounted, is it? |
| 13:25.05 | abrotman | mads-: sudo su .. do it with a real root shell |
| 13:25.29 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | mads-: Were you running $ sudo cat whatever.iso > /dev/sdb1? |
| 13:25.57 | mads- | utrrrongeeb_fenr, maybe :O |
| 13:26.04 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | mads-: That would run 'cat' as root, but the shell, bash, is doing the piping to the device -- and as user, it can't. abrotman's right, you need the root shell |
| 13:26.17 | mads- | It's working with a real root shell |
| 13:26.21 | jelly | KamZou: there are commercial solutions that make incremental block-based backups |
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| 13:26.43 | KamZou | is there any opensource ? |
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| 13:29.14 | jelly | not that I know of |
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| 13:30.30 | rascal999 | anyone know any good audit projects which allow to log all commands? |
| 13:31.04 | jelly | KamZou: http://www.r1soft.com/product-downloads/ is one such commercial vendor, they've had snapshots on linux (without lvm) for years |
| 13:31.13 | KamZou | i thought LVM2 could do incremental snapshot backups :( |
| 13:31.22 | KamZou | thnks |
| 13:31.27 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | rascal999: I don't; anyone else? |
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| 13:31.52 | MarceloMauro | I did a mistake... i did apt-get autoremove and my internet go away. How can I fix it? Do I reinstall the system? |
| 13:31.57 | rascal999 | utrrrongeeb_fenr: snoopy and auditd are ones, but they don't work for one reason or another on squeeze |
| 13:32.06 | jelly | KamZou: we do backup with lvm snapshots, but on a daily not hourly basis |
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| 13:33.00 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | rascal999: Are they actually broken, or do they require additional configuration? |
| 13:33.06 | KamZou | okay |
| 13:33.10 | FeatureFreak | just trying to find out what the -m flag in iptables means? |
| 13:33.29 | rascal999 | utrrrongeeb_fenr: auditd throws The audit system is in immutable mode, no rules loaded -- a scarcely documented error |
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| 13:34.10 | KamZou | so i think i will purpose my Devs one day backup and make the lvcreate -s and partition mount between 12am - 2pm |
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| 13:35.27 | KamZou | how could i list all process blocking the dismount process in a One Command way ? |
| 13:35.32 | KamZou | do you have any idea ? |
| 13:35.48 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | FeatureFreak: It's in the manpage, but a bit convoluted... have you looked at the examples there? |
| 13:36.34 | FeatureFreak | well yeh, -m state --state NEW for exampe i've seen |
| 13:36.48 | FeatureFreak | so is -m loading a module to test the state of a port? |
| 13:36.48 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | rscal999: Are there any setup instructions for it in /etc/default, /usr/share/doc, or the manpage? Sorry, I have no experience with it.... |
| 13:36.54 | FeatureFreak | or are they as directly related as that? |
| 13:37.12 | FeatureFreak | err, port,, i mean connection |
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| 13:37.34 | MarceloMauro | I was revomer the epiphany web browser and he removed some packages. I continued using the system normally until I install another package. Then he asked that ran apt-get autoremove because they had packages that were no longer needed. In this my network is gone and I can not connect either with wifi or wired network |
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| 13:37.54 | MarceloMauro | *remove |
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| 13:38.03 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: you removed large chunks of gnome, put them back |
| 13:38.25 | MarceloMauro | I try but there was a error |
| 13:38.48 | MarceloMauro | how can I do it? |
| 13:38.57 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman: Should he run # aptitude install epiphany? |
| 13:39.00 | abrotman | aptitude install gnome ? |
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| 13:39.20 | MarceloMauro | I try it but it is not running |
| 13:39.38 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | FeatureFreak: Sorry, I don't know much about it at all... |
| 13:39.54 | FeatureFreak | utrrrongeeb_fenr, it's cool, i found some more explanitory stuff out there :) |
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| 13:39.58 | FeatureFreak | anyway, gotta go out now. |
| 13:40.00 | FeatureFreak | cheers |
| 13:40.03 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: It says that the package has no candidate |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | you broke something ... put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 13:40.23 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: When you can, try running 'aptitude install epiphany' as root -- with luck the packages are cached, and won't need to be re-downloaded. |
| 13:40.40 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | FeatureFreak: Okay, no problem |
| 13:40.54 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman: Should he try that first? |
| 13:40.57 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: i have nothing in cache any more |
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| 13:41.23 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: In /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 13:41.28 | abrotman | and i doubt epiphany would fix his network |
| 13:41.48 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman: Wouldn't its dependencies? |
| 13:41.50 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: I did apt-get autoclean |
| 13:41.56 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | Oh |
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| 13:42.26 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: The lack of internet access prevents installling packages? Or do you have a CD or DVD? |
| 13:42.54 | MarceloMauro | I have a CD. |
| 13:43.26 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | Good. abrotman, what do you think? |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | i said what i think .. i'm waiting for his paste |
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| 13:44.31 | abrotman | he may have ot use apt-cdrom to scan the CD to get his stuff back online, depends how much he removed |
| 13:44.45 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: the sources is in another michine. I have no access to internet from her |
| 13:45.11 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: WEP? WPA? can you get a wired connection ? |
| 13:45.19 | rascal999 | utrrrongeeb_fenr: i have a different error since i moved the rules config from /usr/share/doc |
| 13:45.35 | rascal999 | i cannot change it from immutable mode using auditdctl -e 0 |
| 13:45.57 | rascal999 | Error sending enable request (Operation not permitted) |
| 13:46.04 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: no, connection go away |
| 13:46.27 | jelly | KamZou: how long do your backups take? Don't let any other processes access the snapshot mount points, just backup |
| 13:46.29 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: WEP? WPA? can you get a wired connection ? |
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| 13:46.58 | jelly | KamZou: it's going to finish _sometime_, and then you'll be able to umount and destroy the snapshot |
| 13:47.21 | MarceloMauro | no I can't (excuse my english, I'm from Brasil) |
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| 13:47.36 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: you can't even tell me what kind of wireless you had ? |
| 13:48.12 | MarceloMauro | ok... it's wep |
| 13:48.40 | KamZou | jelly: the snapshot is taking 10 seconds; |
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| 13:49.20 | MarceloMauro | and cable too |
| 13:49.24 | KamZou | jelly: i just want to be sure (even if i said the developpers not to access to the lv_backup during certain hours of the day) that they won't |
| 13:49.31 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: In the file /etc/apt/sources.list, do you have any lines which begin "deb cdrom:" and DON'T begin with '#'? |
| 13:49.46 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: Are you using the cable or the wireless? |
| 13:49.59 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | (which one isn't working?) |
| 13:50.28 | jelly | KamZou: so limit the access to the mountpoint only to root |
| 13:50.56 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: yes I have two |
| 13:51.13 | jelly | KamZou: eg. chown root: and chmod 700 the mountpoint parent |
| 13:51.15 | KamZou | but i want anybody can access to this mountpoint in other hours (to be free to backup every file they want) |
| 13:51.24 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: Which one do you want to use? Or at least, which one do you need first? |
| 13:51.52 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: I think is duplicated |
| 13:52.06 | MarceloMauro | Can I comment one/ |
| 13:52.06 | jelly | KamZou: yeah that's not going to happen, back it up for them and let them _restore_ if they need it |
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| 13:52.38 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: Comment what? |
| 13:52.39 | jelly | KamZou: or set up scripts for them to use instead of letting them access the snapshots freely |
| 13:53.28 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: I have two lines that begin with d3eb cdrom. One is a copy from another. Can I comment one? |
| 13:53.33 | JyZyXEL | in squeeze if you try to use the mail command you get "Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=101 egid=103" |
| 13:54.08 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: I don't know -- if you can install packages, leave it alone for now. |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: you, or us? |
| 13:54.15 | Bezzie | hello all, I've done some googling but coming up a bit empty handed. I'm trying to understand the logic udev uses in squeeze to detect network interfaces and populate the persistent-net rules rules. I'm experiencing an issue where across different bits of hardware the ethernet nics come up in different order. I can reproduce it by removing the udev rules file and letting it regenerate. Doesn't always |
| 13:54.16 | Bezzie | put them in the correct order. Just trying to understand the logic udev is using to do it so I can troubleshoot. |
| 13:54.23 | JyZyXEL | me |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: do you still have wireless-tools installed? |
| 13:54.39 | Bezzie | s/second rules/file/ |
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| 13:54.49 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: no, it goes away |
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| 13:55.01 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: Can you run /sbin/ifconfig and if you can, does it list anything for 'eth0'? |
| 13:55.11 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: So it can't install any packages? |
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| 13:55.33 | mina2 | hello |
| 13:55.34 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: do you still have wireless-tools installed? |
| 13:55.44 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: no |
| 13:55.50 | jelly | JyZyXEL: did your /usr/sbin/sendmail lose its setuid bit? |
| 13:55.50 | abrotman | nevermind then |
| 13:56.10 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: Were you using wireless before it stopped working, or wired ethernet (a cable)? |
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| 13:56.28 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: /sbin/ifconfig display only "lo" |
| 13:56.30 | wols | Bezzie: it's the kernel and a well known race condition afaik. which is why udev does it the way it does |
| 13:56.33 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
| 13:56.38 | JyZyXEL | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root |
| 13:56.41 | wols | Bezzie: ie identify network interfaces via MAC |
| 13:56.50 | Bezzie | nods. |
| 13:57.00 | JyZyXEL | i wonder why that is |
| 13:57.00 | jelly | JyZyXEL: that's a symlink... check the file it points to |
| 13:57.00 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: wireless |
| 13:57.03 | Bezzie | I'm fine with it identifying by mac :) Unfortunately, it's not always getting the ordering correc.t |
| 13:57.14 | JyZyXEL | oh exim4 still has it |
| 13:57.15 | jelly | JyZyXEL: or add -L to your ls options |
| 13:57.16 | Bezzie | wow. I can't type this AM. |
| 13:57.22 | Bezzie | notes that coffee is required. |
| 13:57.36 | wols | Bezzie: why do you remove your udev persistent file? |
| 13:57.54 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: do you have an ethernet cable, and a port on the computer, or not? It sounds like wireless is what you need, though. |
| 13:57.56 | jelly | JyZyXEL: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which mail)) ? |
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| 13:58.18 | wols | Bezzie: again: it's not udev that orders it on the first run when there is no persistent file but the kernel. and it's a race condition, so there is no way to tell how it comes out |
| 13:58.22 | nooodl | hmm, is it normal for a program's compilation to take over 30 minutes? |
| 13:58.42 | nooodl | i'm compiling wine 1.3.26 and it's taking quite a while. |
| 13:58.44 | wols | nooodl: depends on the program and the cpu speed. kernel compiles used to take several hours |
| 13:58.49 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: I have a cable and I already try with it |
| 13:58.51 | wols | yes it's normal |
| 13:58.58 | JyZyXEL | bsd-mailx: /usr/bin/bsd-mailx |
| 13:59.04 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: tryed |
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| 13:59.16 | Bezzie | wols: Well, long and short. I've got about 100 boxes that are identical hardware from the great and glorious land of china heh. They all are getting debian installed on them, then getting managed via a config management tool. Ideally, aside from network ips, they are identical across the board. The issue I'm having is that in some cases, the nics are in order, some cases they arent. (boxes are labeled |
| 13:59.18 | Bezzie | ports 1-5 .. eth0 should be eth1 and port 5 should be eth4 etc.) ... some boxes are detecting them in order, some are out of order, which is screwing up config management :P |
| 13:59.37 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: Do you have a desktop, X / xorg, for example GNOME, running? |
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| 13:59.48 | Bezzie | I can reproduce it in a single machine by basically removing that persistent rules file and itll detect in different order. |
| 14:00.08 | nooodl | the .deb wasn't working, so i tried compiling it, but it's starting to look like i'd better spent my time just trying to fix the problem :) |
| 14:00.10 | Bezzie | I'mm just trying to wrap my head around how it detects it in the first place to understand how to resolve it so it detects in order. Sounds like my best bet is to set the order in that rules file manually. |
| 14:00.11 | jelly | JyZyXEL: ok, pastebin the output of ls -Lld /var/log/exim4 /var/log/exim4/mainlog /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 14:00.17 | wols | Bezzie: cause it's the kernel which does it. and I don't know any way to change that |
| 14:00.21 | Bezzie | nods. |
| 14:00.25 | Bezzie | That's what I feared. :P |
| 14:00.26 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: yes I have a desktop running (gnome) |
| 14:00.39 | JyZyXEL | woot i don't have /var/log/exim4 |
| 14:00.41 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman: Is squeeze using network-manager? |
| 14:00.45 | jelly | JyZyXEL: why? |
| 14:00.54 | JyZyXEL | i have no clue |
| 14:01.02 | abrotman | it can |
| 14:01.03 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: only the way to connect all gone |
| 14:01.06 | Bezzie | wols: Thanks for the assistance. Shouldn't be too bad to manage as all the interfaces are in a sequential mac order. |
| 14:01.18 | Bezzie | so I can muck with that file and reboot, but its ugly :) |
| 14:01.42 | JyZyXEL | guess ill need to reinstall exim4? |
| 14:01.43 | jelly | JyZyXEL: someone or something removed the directory. mkdir it, chown to Debian-exim:adm, chmod to 2750 |
| 14:01.52 | Bezzie | It's interesting how eth0 and eth1 are always correct though. |
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| 14:02.00 | jelly | JyZyXEL: drwxr-s--- 2 Debian-exim adm 4096 Dec 22 2010 /var/log/exim4 |
| 14:02.00 | Bezzie | but the other ports on the machine are always in some wacky order :P |
| 14:02.03 | wols | Bezzie: different NICs? |
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| 14:02.08 | Bezzie | wols: Unfortunately nope, same driver. |
| 14:02.45 | jelly | JyZyXEL: if you wiped all of /var/log's contents, it's possible other directories are missing as well |
| 14:02.45 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: Before, did you connect with an icon and menu in the system tray, on the GNOME panel? |
| 14:02.54 | JyZyXEL | jelly: yeah |
| 14:02.57 | Bezzie | they're all onboard too on these units (small embedded devices).. just odd how solaris detected them right without issue, but linux is getting a bit confused :P |
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| 14:03.47 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: Yes, just find a wi-fi or a network cable that normally connects |
| 14:04.00 | jelly | JyZyXEL: did you, in fact, wipe all of /var/log's contents? |
| 14:04.17 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: ...from an icon in the GNOME panel? |
| 14:04.17 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: the icon-tray goes away |
| 14:04.21 | JyZyXEL | i remember copying the old /var/log from lenny over to the squeeze installation |
| 14:04.30 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: It's gone now? |
| 14:04.41 | jelly | JyZyXEL: dpkg -S '/var/log/*' |
| 14:04.44 | Bezzie | Ah well. Thank you wols. :) |
| 14:05.02 | jelly | JyZyXEL: verify all of those exist and reinstall packages if needed |
| 14:05.14 | abrotman | doesn't he have CD1? |
| 14:05.17 | JyZyXEL | oh thats a good idea |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | is wireless-tools on the CD? |
| 14:05.48 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: The ico-tray disappeared |
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| 14:06.15 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: did you use apt-cdrom to scan the CD you have? is wireless-tools on it? |
| 14:06.20 | rascal999 | auditctl -e 2 locks down auditd, how can i undo this? |
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| 14:06.29 | abrotman | if you you have the wireless-tools package, you can configure the wireless |
| 14:06.32 | rascal999 | auditctl -e 0 returns operation not permitted |
| 14:06.45 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: not yet.. |
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| 14:07.09 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: If you run 'aptitude show wireless-tools', does it say Installed, or Not installed? |
| 14:07.11 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: start by scannig the CD so we can see what packages we can get |
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| 14:08.36 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: not installed |
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| 14:09.07 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | MarceloMauro: ...will it install? |
| 14:09.12 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: start by scannig the CD so we can see what packages we can get |
| 14:10.00 | handheldcar | can't get MoinMoin working. |
| 14:10.16 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: but If I do - apt-get install wireless-tools - it says I have the newer version |
| 14:10.32 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: how can I do that? |
| 14:10.32 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: dpkg -l wireless-tools .. which version is installed? |
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| 14:11.37 | anomaly | in the past netselect-apt, has worked just fine. yet, I installed 6.0.2, and it goes through the motions of various servers then says it is choosing the 1 out of x, but when it says the fastest appears to be.. it is blank and the mirrors.list is empty. what am I missing or is there a problem with the program? |
| 14:11.39 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: 30-pre9-5 |
| 14:12.01 | keith4 | ugh. every time i'm forced to deal with CentOS and yum, i'm reminded of why debian is so awesome |
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| 14:12.29 | diabel | Hello |
| 14:12.29 | Uchiha_Itachi | keith4: true...true.... |
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| 14:12.35 | abrotman | judd: versions wireless-tools |
| 14:12.37 | judd | Package wireless-tools on i386 -- lenny: 29-1.1; sid: 30~pre9-5; squeeze: 30~pre9-5; wheezy: 30~pre9-5 |
| 14:12.38 | nooodl | ouch. getting an error, and google show me only one person who had the same thing happen |
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| 14:12.50 | keith4 | nooodl: never a good sign |
| 14:12.56 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: okay, let's configure your wireless manually |
| 14:13.20 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: what is your wifi device? do you know? |
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| 14:14.30 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: Realteck RTL8191SEvA |
| 14:14.42 | abrotman | no .. the device in linux .. |
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| 14:14.48 | KamZou | jelly: (i'm still testing, but i'd like to thank u !!) |
| 14:14.48 | abrotman | like wlan0 or eth1342 |
| 14:15.13 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: I think is wlan0 |
| 14:15.16 | utrrrongeeb_fenr | abrotman, MarceloMauro: Sorry, I need to leave. Hope the problem gets fixed.. |
| 14:15.26 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: do you know how to use 'vi' ? |
| 14:15.29 | abrotman | utrrrongeeb_fenr: bye! |
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| 14:15.35 | MarceloMauro | utrrrongeeb_fenr: thanks for help |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: do you know how to use 'vi' ? |
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| 14:16.10 | Uchiha_Itachi | abrotman: wouldn't be better if he use nano for starter? |
| 14:16.17 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: more or last.. gedit? |
| 14:16.25 | abrotman | it really doesn't matter .. he can use any editor with root privs |
| 14:16.51 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: ok |
| 14:16.54 | abrotman | okay what? |
| 14:17.01 | diabel | Hello everybody, I've got a really bad problem. My network not working, while system boot up also it worked I've got the same /etc/network/interfaces all the time. network-manager is added to booting services, everything was fine,for yesterday I have no internet connection when system boot up :/ |
| 14:17.09 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: edit your /etc/network/interfaces and add a stanza like this http://paste.debian.net/125898/ |
| 14:17.18 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: editor with root priv |
| 14:17.21 | nooodl | ah man, this is probably the worst way to get wine 1.3 installed anyways |
| 14:17.22 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: replace your <SSID> and <WEP KEY> with whatever yours really are |
| 14:17.48 | nooodl | why does apt-get give me some ancient version? 1.0, i think? |
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| 14:18.19 | jhutchins_lt | nooodl: Because the actual changes in wine are insignificant. |
| 14:18.23 | Uchiha_Itachi | nooodl: update sources.list |
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| 14:19.32 | nooodl | Uchiha_Itachi, what should i add? |
| 14:19.50 | Kromgol | How "safe" is Debian Testing when it comes to daily use? Always worked fine for me with Arch when it comes to having bleeding-edge packages. |
| 14:20.17 | Uchiha_Itachi | nooodl: it would be much better if you download wine from Wine site |
| 14:20.24 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: It's not intended for daily use. It's intended to be broken now so we can find what's broken and fix it before the release. |
| 14:20.32 | jelly | Kromgol: anywhere from "reasonable" to "not working at all" |
| 14:20.32 | abrotman | nooodl: thta is the versoin of wine in Debian |
| 14:20.39 | diabel | anybody help? |
| 14:20.40 | abrotman | Kromgol: when it breaks (and it will), don't cry |
| 14:20.59 | Kromgol | Nah, i'm used to things breaking randomly in Linux |
| 14:21.06 | Kromgol | Remember me sitting 2.5 hours here yesterday? |
| 14:21.07 | Kromgol | lol |
| 14:21.14 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: where do I put this? In my file has only: ( auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, allow hot-plug eth0 , iface eth0 inet dhcp) |
| 14:21.29 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: at the end of the file, you add it iin |
| 14:21.33 | jelly | Kromgol: if you lived with arch, you're going to learn to live with testing quickly I bet |
| 14:21.33 | Kromgol | It's just that the propretiary drivers do not support my HD6870 in stable |
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| 14:21.54 | Kromgol | :D |
| 14:22.02 | jhutchins_lt | diabel: We don't understand your problem. |
| 14:22.14 | Kromgol | Is it possible to upgrade from testing to stable when it has been released? |
| 14:22.23 | jhutchins_lt | !pl |
| 14:22.23 | dpkg | i guess pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 14:22.40 | abrotman | Kromgol: yes |
| 14:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: That's not really how it works. |
| 14:22.49 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 14:22.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 14:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, 3.x kernel in testing. |
| 14:23.32 | Kromgol | How does it work then jhutchins_lt? |
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| 14:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: What kernel do the drivers need? |
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| 14:24.05 | Kromgol | jhutchins_lt: Should work with 2.6, but as i said, the package for the propretiary drivers that supports HD6870 is in testing. |
| 14:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: Testing is eventually released as stable. It doesn't become a different version. |
| 14:24.22 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: Which package is that? |
| 14:24.38 | Kromgol | I would guess it's fglrx-control and/or fglrx-driver |
| 14:24.49 | nooodl | i'm trying to install a .deb file with dpkg, but it keeps complaining about dependency problems |
| 14:25.04 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: ok, he was edited |
| 14:25.16 | nooodl | and when i try to install the listed packages, it's dependency problems all the way down. |
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| 14:25.26 | diabel | I always have internet while debian boot up. But I upgrade system, I not changed interfaces configuration, the network manager is in rc servers also it started but i have no configured interfaces, must use command ifdown eth0&& ifup eth0, It seems that ifup/ifdown not work, but I've no idea why |
| 14:25.42 | themill | nooodl: installing random .debs with dpkg isn't the right way to do it. |
| 14:25.47 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: Do I reinitiate? |
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| 14:26.00 | abrotman | reboot? yes |
| 14:26.07 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: rrrsrsr |
| 14:26.12 | abrotman | indeed |
| 14:26.37 | stockholm | what happens if i specify a version for a package that i will link against AND have a ${misc:Depends} when building a package? |
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| 14:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | !radeon |
| 14:28.08 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by ATI/AMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
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| 14:28.43 | RichiH | does anyone happen to know where the linux kernel hides arp timeouts for specific addresses? i can display the timeout setting per interface, but not the remaining time |
| 14:29.25 | nooodl | okay, i just want wine 1.3 to work on here. apt-get gives an old version, .debs aren't the right way to do it, and compiling took me 30 minutes before just erroring out with a completely unknown error message |
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| 14:29.59 | nooodl | i have never been more frustrated with installing a program before. :( |
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| 14:30.06 | Uchiha_Itachi | nooodl: try crossover then =p |
| 14:30.53 | jelly | nooodl: debs aren't the right way to do it? |
| 14:31.04 | Kromgol | jhutchins_lt: And? As i said, the fglrx driver/package that is in stable do not support Radeon HD6870 as the version of catalyst that comes with it is 10.9 and the support for the 6xxx series begin with 11.1 something. |
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| 14:31.29 | nooodl | jelly, apparently not |
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| 14:31.39 | nooodl | also, i don't know how i'm supposed to do it |
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| 14:31.50 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: something went wrong |
| 14:31.50 | themill | randomly downloading debs from unknown places and then using dpkg to install them isn't the right way to do it, no. |
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| 14:32.01 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: need more details |
| 14:32.19 | wols | themill: so where does one get wine 1.3 for any debian? |
| 14:32.22 | wols | ,versions wine |
| 14:32.24 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-3.1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 14:32.47 | nooodl | themill, they're linked from the wine website |
| 14:32.55 | joe6 | my gdm does not autologin, though I can see that gdmsetup has autologin enabled. |
| 14:33.05 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: There was demand from the network at startup but could not connect. But now wla0 appears in the / sbin / ifconfig |
| 14:33.06 | joe6 | Any suggestions on where else I should be looking? |
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| 14:33.39 | themill | wols: if you're going to go to a 3rd party site, at least use apt for them or be clueful enough to fix things properly. And make sure they're compiled for the right release. (I think wine falls in to the "siyh" category; else use cxoffice) |
| 14:33.39 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: make sure you typed your WEP key correctly |
| 14:33.53 | MarceloMauro | yes, i'm sure |
| 14:34.13 | wols | themill: having no new wine in sid for a year or so, is a bit strange imho |
| 14:34.24 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: I have a cable, it's more easy? |
| 14:34.31 | abrotman | i asked you that an hour ago! |
| 14:34.33 | abrotman | jesus christ |
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| 14:34.43 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: I said I have both |
| 14:35.09 | abrotman | plug in the wired cable, 'dhclient eth0' .. then edit your sources.list and then install gnome again |
| 14:35.13 | MarceloMauro | Excuse me I did understand you |
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| 14:35.24 | jhutchins_lt | wols: What's really changed in wine over that year though? |
| 14:36.08 | themill | jhutchins_lt: wine is generally one of those packages where you want shinier to have less broken. The tend not to have too many regressions (although occasionally do have some). |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | http://linux.softpedia.com/progChangelog/Wine-Changelog-148.html ? |
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| 14:38.14 | wols | 64bit support, lots of WoW64 support, new msvcrt libraries support and tons of fixes to get application X to actually work now |
| 14:38.14 | joe6 | i see this message in the log: Aug 11 10:30:18 backup bonobo-activation-server (joe-5333): could not associate with desktop session: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-vcjGUIyzUm: Connection refused |
| 14:38.27 | joe6 | could that cause the autologin to not work. |
| 14:38.57 | nooodl | i've already tried running this game with the current version, which didn't work. upgrading the version is pretty much my only hope |
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| 14:39.11 | nooodl | if that doesn't work, i'm installing windows :) |
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| 14:40.47 | edbian | What is the purpose of files such as /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES I have many (about 100). |
| 14:40.48 | joe6 | and i see these in the auth.log: http://pastebin.com/FQwSANFs |
| 14:41.16 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: when I type dhclient eth0 - SIOCSIFADDR : no such device - eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: no such device |
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| 14:43.31 | sarafini | edbian: Files under the locale directory are there to provide localized messages in other languages. In the case of the ru directory, it's Russian. |
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| 14:44.16 | edbian | sarafini: So if I delete them I won't see any text in any languages throughout the OS? Does this include firefox? (probably the only app that ever sees another language) |
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| 14:47.56 | sarafini | Mmm, not exactly. The various widget kits for X and the libC package itself utilize the locale system more than Firefox does for displaying locale messages. Firefox uses a completely different system for determining what language to display, and where to get messages from. But essentially, yes, you can prune directories under the locales directory, and there are programs to help you do it. There's one in debian called |
| 14:47.56 | sarafini | localepurge. |
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| 14:49.05 | luke-jr | Why when I ssh to a Debian server, does 'ls' align columns as if colour codes are characters, and then strip the colour codes out? If I run 'alias ls="ls --color"', it works properly, but that gets old http://paste.pocoo.org/show/455608/ |
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| 14:50.00 | luke-jr | edbian: locale files are use for program strings, not related to displaying foreign glyphs (that's fonts) |
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| 14:50.12 | colo-work | there's no cpufreq_ondemand.ko in the backports kernel. how's that? is ondemand not supported by upstream any more? |
| 14:50.27 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: you're still there? |
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| 14:50.40 | Derpadong | For installing a lot of stuff at once using terminal, do I have to break it all down or can I use one command? |
| 14:50.51 | babilen | MarceloMauro: drop it |
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| 14:50.56 | colo-work | Derpadong, apt-get install <list of packages you wanna install> |
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| 14:51.11 | jmarsden | luke-jr: Check what terminal type you are using and whether the Debian server you ssh into knows about it? Also check whether that DEbian server has alias ls='ls --auto' set automatically for you, or something like that? |
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| 14:51.32 | luke-jr | jmarsden: xterm? |
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| 14:51.52 | babilen | MarceloMauro: Oh, please disregard that. I would offor you a hot chocolate and a cookie now if I could. |
| 14:52.06 | luke-jr | jmarsden: specifically Konsole |
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| 14:52.37 | jmarsden | luke-jr: Konsole is not a terminal type :) echo $TERM |
| 14:52.38 | Derpadong | colo-work, thanks. I didnt know if it would do that cause it didnt one day |
| 14:52.44 | MarceloMauro | babilen: hmm ... then the way will be reinstalling the system even |
| 14:52.46 | luke-jr | jmarsden: as in the paste, TERM=xterm |
| 14:53.06 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: yes |
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| 14:53.19 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: dmesg | grep eth |
| 14:53.24 | jmarsden | OK, so that should be OK. IF you ssh in and do alias ls does it output anything relevant? |
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| 14:53.48 | luke-jr | jmarsden: no |
| 14:54.29 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: wow it's dhclient eth1 |
| 14:54.40 | MarceloMauro | thanks |
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| 14:54.57 | jmarsden | OK... I'd be tempted to just add the alias to your ~/.bashrc on the remote system as a quick workaround... |
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| 14:55.08 | luke-jr | jmarsden: just made a strange observation: resizing Konsole at all "fixes" the non-colour display |
| 14:55.12 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: okay .. so you have a working network now ? |
| 14:55.23 | MarceloMauro | yes, yes, yes |
| 14:55.26 | luke-jr | jmarsden: even with the new width being the original one |
| 14:56.41 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: can we fix your sources.list now ? |
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| 14:57.04 | luke-jr | I suppose the question is, why Debian's ls doesn't default to --color |
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| 14:57.27 | luke-jr | (fwiw, I just found that unaliasing ls causes the same problem on at least one other distro) |
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| 14:57.41 | MarceloMauro | abrotman: thank you very much. I will reinstall gnome now |
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| 14:59.07 | jmarsden | luke-jr: Why would you expect it to? On what distros does ls *default* to ls --color (without using an alias in the shell)? If you want that, add the alias for ls somewhere such as in ~/.bashrc or more globally. BTW I'd suggest ls --color=auto or whatever it is, not --color, so if you pipe the output to some other program it doesn't send all the escape sequences! |
| 14:59.38 | abrotman | MarceloMauro: good deal |
| 15:00.09 | luke-jr | jmarsden: Gentoo has 'ls --color=auto' as a default alias |
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| 15:00.53 | jmarsden | Right, having an alias like that as default is fine, and common. Compiling ls so that ls --color is the default... would be bad. |
| 15:00.57 | jelly | luke-jr: and Redhat has rm -i |
| 15:01.16 | luke-jr | sure, I meant an alias ;) |
| 15:01.21 | jelly | me too |
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| 15:02.01 | luke-jr | --color=auto seems like a sensible default alias (or even in the code, for that matter) |
| 15:02.31 | jmarsden | luke-jr: OK. well, I'm not sure what the default aliases in Debian are, I just copy my (large and old) .bashrc everywhere I go :) |
| 15:02.45 | edbian | thanks guys |
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| 15:04.54 | burgdorfer | How would I go about assembling a custom boot.img for netbooting? |
| 15:05.26 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
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| 15:05.32 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . See also <blend>, <kmuto>. |
| 15:05.32 | abrotman | bot? |
| 15:07.40 | squig | any one here do much with fc scsi disk |
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| 15:07.54 | abrotman | !ask |
| 15:07.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:11.33 | burgdorfer | abrotman: The boot.img I downloaded is a sparc executable. These guides tell me how to create a custom initrds which are cpio archives. My sparc boxes won't be able to run those ramdisks, right? If that's true, I don't think this will work for me. |
| 15:11.55 | jelly | squig: usually we put them in the appropriate shelf and see them work |
| 15:12.17 | jelly | if they blink green, 's all good |
| 15:12.36 | squig | the disk is fine, how it is working in linux is freaking me out |
| 15:12.54 | squig | I seem to be add infinite luns, though there is no device on the end of them |
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| 15:13.24 | jelly | that might be normal for your enclosure, it might not be |
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| 15:13.31 | jelly | or* |
| 15:13.48 | jelly | or it might not be configured optimally for this OS |
| 15:13.59 | squig | really? I have set up the luns for my Logical disks |
| 15:14.21 | gonzzor | What could be the reason for diff -ru old/ new/ to be empty, but diff -u old/foo new/foo gives output? |
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| 15:14.47 | supaplex | I'm editing an openoffice doc, and for the life of me, ooo won't let me keep "/48" in a table cell. It keeps removing the forward slash. |
| 15:14.52 | squig | i have just never seen a proper implementation that I was comfortable with, in any company much bigger than this we would move over to using dedicate nas storage or a clustered FS |
| 15:15.16 | tehrabbitt | Hi, trying to get a acenic/tg2 working but it keeps saying that the module failed to load. I did install firmware-linux-nonfree and rebooted |
| 15:15.44 | tehrabbitt | not sure what I might be overlooking |
| 15:15.54 | gonzzor | supaplex: Try to change the cell-format |
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| 15:16.28 | llutz | supaplex: prepend a ' " '/48 " |
| 15:16.56 | burgdorfer | How can I convert a CD ISO image to a sparc exectuable boot.img for a netboot installation? |
| 15:17.07 | tehrabbitt | i've tried modprobe'ing the driver, but i've had no luck |
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| 15:17.55 | gonzzor | tehrabbitt: What does dmesg say? |
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| 15:18.53 | abrotman | burgdorfer: did you ask #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net ? |
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| 15:20.17 | burgdorfer | abrotman: Yes, it's dead. Now all I ask is how to build a boot.img on my own since the one from the debian site keeps failing on me and theres a bunch of open bug reports about it. |
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| 15:20.39 | abrotman | burgdorfer: what is in the img file? can you mount it to look? |
| 15:21.04 | burgdorfer | burgdorfer: How would I mount it? It's an executable. |
| 15:21.18 | Woet | why is mysql ignoring my query_cache_size setting in /etc/debian/my.cnf? |
| 15:21.25 | Woet | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.44 | tehrabbitt | gonzzor: one sec |
| 15:22.07 | abrotman | burgdorfer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build |
| 15:22.11 | abrotman | burgdorfer: it's not likely an exe |
| 15:22.31 | tehrabbitt | gonzzor: acenic firmware: requesting acenic/tg2.bin |
| 15:22.43 | tehrabbitt | Failed to load firmware acenic/tg2.bin |
| 15:22.59 | supaplex | gonzzor, llutz, it's a writer doc, not spreadsheet. |
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| 15:23.01 | burgdorfer | abrotman: # file boot.img |
| 15:23.02 | burgdorfer | boot.img: sparc executable |
| 15:23.21 | abrotman | gets the i386 boot.img |
| 15:23.52 | supaplex | I also need 10/48, and it keeps changing to 10/01/48 |
| 15:24.13 | tehrabbitt | I'm not exactly why it's failing to load when I did install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 15:24.17 | tehrabbitt | :-\ |
| 15:24.22 | tehrabbitt | unless maybe it's hiding elsewhere? |
| 15:24.34 | abrotman | burgdorfer: you could also possibly ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net, but it's not a high traffic channel |
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| 15:25.16 | burgdorfer | abrotman: There actually is a #debian-boot? |
| 15:25.18 | burgdorfer | oh my god |
| 15:25.23 | abrotman | what? |
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| 15:26.35 | tehrabbitt | burgdorfer: it's new news to me too lol... |
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| 15:29.14 | abrotman | burgdorfer: are you okay? |
| 15:29.15 | tehrabbitt | anyone here know about figuring out why the module won't load? |
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| 15:30.12 | sirtophat | during apt-get upgrade wine on wheezy I'm getting some 404s, is that supposed to happen |
| 15:30.38 | abrotman | did you apt-get update first? |
| 15:30.42 | burgdorfer | abrotman: I ran the installer again, it failed saying: "The installer failed to download a file from the mirror.". I'm looking at the recorded traffic and the installer successfully downloaded "/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg". What's the problem? |
| 15:31.01 | abrotman | unless it tells you which file, i haven't a clue |
| 15:31.06 | sirtophat | no, I guess that's it |
| 15:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | sirtophat: That means either you have an error in your source file or there is a problem on the mirrors, The former is more likely. |
| 15:32.13 | burgdorfer | abrotman: The thing is, there's a bug report from 2009 with the exact same problem. The reason was that the .GPG file on the mirror was wrong, they fixed it by uploading the correct one. |
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| 15:33.23 | vieq_ | Hello, just finished installing debian squeeze and tried apt-get dist-upgrade and nothing :/ |
| 15:33.26 | abrotman | burgdorfer: try another mirror perhaps ? |
| 15:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: So you think your installer is going back in time to 2009? |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | vieq_: what did you think would happen / |
| 15:33.34 | abrotman | ? |
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| 15:33.46 | vieq_ | abrotman: move on to wheezy? |
| 15:33.49 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: That or the debian guys did the same mistake again? You tell me. |
| 15:34.00 | burgdorfer | abrotman: I tried like ten different mirrors, none of which worked. |
| 15:34.03 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Which installer are you using? |
| 15:34.12 | abrotman | vieq_: please dont |
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| 15:34.23 | vieq_ | abrotman: do not move to wheezy? |
| 15:34.26 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: The Etch one because both lenny and squeeze result in a kernel panic. |
| 15:34.31 | jhutchins_lt | vieq_: correct |
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| 15:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Etch is no longer on the same mirrors. |
| 15:34.52 | vieq_ | I followed your advice on using the net installer of squeeze and do dist-upgrade from there. |
| 15:34.54 | jelly | supaplex: using oo calc? Are the cells formatted to take "Text" data or something else? |
| 15:34.55 | jhutchins_lt | !tell burgdorfer about etch sources |
| 15:35.02 | vieq_ | why would not I move to wheezy? |
| 15:35.03 | tehrabbitt | anyone here familiar with acenic/tg2? |
| 15:35.42 | jhutchins_lt | !tell burgdorfer about etch sources.list |
| 15:35.44 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: I know, it asks me whether I want squeeze or some other versions and I selected squeeze. I don't mind installing squeeze but all the other installers make my box kernel panic so what am I supposed to do |
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| 15:35.57 | jelly | supaplex: select the whole column, Format -> Cells -> Numbers -> Category -> Text |
| 15:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Figure out which kernel options avoid the panic. |
| 15:36.11 | abrotman | vieq_: please do not |
| 15:36.32 | jhutchins_lt | vieq_: wheezy is testing, it is not ready for regular use. |
| 15:36.41 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: I already manually entered a mirror that has the Etch archives but the installer wants to fetch stable which, nowadays, is symlinked to squeeze and not Etch anymore. Then it complains it's not Etch. |
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| 15:37.10 | vieq_ | jhutchins_lt: this is really odd!, every one told me that -testing is stable enough and I liked it being rolling release. |
| 15:37.14 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: That's why I wanted to build a custom boot.img but noone can tell me how. |
| 15:37.16 | jelly | vieq_: was installing wheezy you goal in the first place? You seem to have forgot a step |
| 15:37.20 | vieq_ | yes |
| 15:37.39 | jhutchins_lt | vieq_: I don't know who "every one" is, but they were wrong. |
| 15:37.54 | vieq_ | jelly: which one? if you please |
| 15:37.57 | jelly | vieq_: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:38.01 | burgdorfer | vieq_: If you want rolling release get Arch. |
| 15:38.09 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: I saw a link from abrotman that told you how a while back. |
| 15:38.15 | burgdorfer | vieq_: And I don't mean this in a bad way, I run Arch everywhere ;) |
| 15:38.24 | jelly | vieq_: after that, you don't ask for help in here :-) |
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| 15:38.41 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: That link told me how to build a custom CD ISO but the boot.img from the sparc mirror is an executable. |
| 15:38.48 | vieq_ | burgdorfer: will I get a laptop support? |
| 15:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | vieq_: If you don't know why it's not upgrading to wheezy, you really should run stable for long enough to understand the packaging system. Wheezy WILL break. |
| 15:39.26 | vieq_ | jhutchins_lt: now I know why. |
| 15:39.26 | wols | vieq_: and it will break a lot in the near future |
| 15:39.38 | burgdorfer | vieq_: Arch works fine on almost all systems. Beware, it is rolling release so not everything might work fine. But you can run Linux 3 :) |
| 15:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Do you really think that's a good idea for someone who doesn't understand the packaging system yet? |
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| 15:40.32 | vieq_ | aright how about this, I ran stable before on a debian-based distro..and I just want couple of pkgs that only available in either testing or unstable |
| 15:40.41 | ItBlends | do most people run sid? |
| 15:40.46 | vieq_ | would pinning be a recommended solution? |
| 15:40.46 | jhutchins_lt | vieq_: Try running stable for a while. On Debian, not a different distro. |
| 15:40.55 | wols | !tell vieq_ about backports |
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| 15:40.57 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: I wasn't paying attention, I just read "rolling release". If it's really that bad he won't even get through the installer. |
| 15:41.00 | wols | vieq_: no it would not |
| 15:41.21 | burgdorfer | So guys, nobody can help me? |
| 15:41.30 | jelly | vieq_: stable + pinning is not a good idea |
| 15:41.35 | vieq_ | wols: so backports are a safer solution? |
| 15:41.44 | wols | yes |
| 15:42.08 | wols | vieq_: if you start pinning, you will soon reinstall your debian |
| 15:42.20 | karlpinc | !tell vieq_ about overview |
| 15:42.29 | vieq_ | how do I check a given pkg version with out having a running the system? |
| 15:42.49 | vieq_ | is there is a website or some tool to check on debian pkgs versions? |
| 15:42.51 | jelly | vieq_: search for in on packages.debian.org |
| 15:43.14 | vieq_ | jelly: awesome, thanks |
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| 15:44.19 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: So your problem is with a sparc system? |
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| 15:45.18 | skilz | Anyone know of a program (terminal preferebly) to list earthquake/volcanic activity around the world besides xplanet |
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| 15:46.07 | karlpinc | skilz: The debtags package is your friend. |
| 15:46.26 | qazwsxedc | Hello, when i boot my freshly installed wheezy i got something like noise on tv and system freezes (tried ctrl + alt + f1, ddidnt workk), is it possible to stop x11 daemon form booting? |
| 15:46.38 | skilz | karlpinc: ?? |
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| 15:46.43 | supaplex | jelly: it's not calc. it's oo writer |
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| 15:46.54 | crilly | qazwsxedc: You will need to set the default init level to 3. |
| 15:46.56 | karlpinc | skilz: You use debtags to search for packages you may want. |
| 15:47.17 | crilly | qazwsxedc: I think once it reaches 4, maybe 5, the X daemon is loaded. |
| 15:47.19 | skilz | karlpinc: Ah, thanks buddy |
| 15:47.34 | karlpinc | !tell skilz about search |
| 15:47.35 | crilly | qazwsxedc: This can be configured in /etc/initrc.conf I think |
| 15:48.25 | crilly | qazwsxedc: /etc/inittab - default the default, the top line, to 3. I think that should do it. |
| 15:48.54 | sirtophat | I think it's an annoying default behavior that apt-get can open a changelog in less in the middle of an installation |
| 15:49.04 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: Yes, but #debian-sparc is dead. The problem is with the sparc-versions of your installer(s) and mirror(s), it's not *really* sparc-specific. |
| 15:49.18 | themill | sirtophat: that's entirely configurable. |
| 15:49.27 | jhutchins_lt | crilly: That won't work in debian. |
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| 15:49.42 | vieq_ | thanks guys |
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| 15:49.59 | jhutchins_lt | qazwsxedc: You have to disable the Desktop Manager (gdm, kdm, xdm, etc). Easier to boot to rescue mode and fix it. |
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| 15:50.12 | wols | !tell qazwsxedc about nodm |
| 15:50.18 | crilly | jhutchins_lt: Oh right! |
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| 15:50.29 | crilly | !tell crilly about nodm |
| 15:50.50 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: I'd look to the sparc mailing lists then. As I said, you need to figure out what kernel options to pass the installer to get around this. |
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| 15:51.03 | wols | !tell crilly about selftell |
| 15:51.04 | fbrett66 | Hi, just to be sure, I'm on squeeze, i've setup my locale to en-us-UTF-8, Next when I install postgresql, its encoding is SQL_ASCII, does ti seems normal for you ? Shouldn't it be same as locale ? |
| 15:51.13 | crilly | Ah right |
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| 15:51.24 | edbian | Sometimes some foriegn language characters are not displayed correctly. Instead I get rectangles or a small (unicode?) set of four numbers. How can I fix this? |
| 15:51.29 | qazwsxedc | jhutchins_lt: it also happens on rescure mode |
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| 15:51.42 | wols | edbian: use a font that has the glyphs I guess |
| 15:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | qazwsxedc: Interesting. Do you know what your video chipset is? |
| 15:51.53 | crilly | !tell wols about the fact I understand. Thank you. Smily face. |
| 15:52.04 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: The Etch installer boots fine but starts acting weird after retrieving the Release.gpg by saying it couldn't retrieve a file, which is not true. Seems to me like this would be a smaller problem than figuring out what caused a kernel panic in the two most recent versions of the sparc Debian installer. |
| 15:52.08 | edbian | wols: Such as? |
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| 15:52.18 | jhutchins_lt | qazwsxedc: Then it isn't X, it doesn't load in rescue mode. |
| 15:52.20 | ChibaPet | Hello, Debian people. |
| 15:52.24 | burgdorfer | crilly: :) |
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| 15:52.25 | jhutchins_lt | !nofb |
| 15:52.25 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
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| 15:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | Hrm, that's obsolete... |
| 15:52.41 | wols | edbian: beats me. de_DE-UTF8 works fine for me :( but the rectangles mean: missing font glyphs |
| 15:52.42 | jhutchins_lt | !framebuffer |
| 15:52.42 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
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| 15:53.03 | jhutchins_lt | qazwsxedc: Try that. |
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| 15:53.09 | wols | qazwsxedc: use "nomodeset" as kernel parameter. and when exactly does this garbling happen? |
| 15:53.18 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: The etch installer is not supported. |
| 15:53.22 | edbian | wols: de_DE-UTF8 is not a font? It's an encoding scheme? |
| 15:53.23 | qazwsxedc | jhutchins_lt: ok, btw its AMD Radeon HD 6310 |
| 15:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Rewriting the installer is up to you. |
| 15:53.53 | qazwsxedc | wols: i can see creating data for /dev and just after that averything fails |
| 15:53.59 | wols | edbian: yes it is |
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| 15:54.12 | wols | edbian: do you know which ones give you a problem? e.g. chinese websites? |
| 15:54.22 | edbian | wols: lemme see if I can figure that out. |
| 15:54.37 | negge | customer service got a whole new meaning for me today. I brought a WD Green with bad sectors to the store and said it had bad sectors. The clerk took the disc, typed some stuff on his computer and went and got me a brand new disk. The new one even ha 64 MB cache vs. 32 on the old. Instant victory |
| 15:54.42 | wols | qazwsxedc: nomodeset and then install a backported fglrx to run X |
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| 15:55.24 | wols | qazwsxedc: I also would suggest a backports kernel and non-free firmware from wheezy |
| 15:55.26 | qazwsxedc | jhutchins_lt: exactly the same |
| 15:55.43 | edbian | wols: Chinese is definitely showing as small boxes with four digits of a hex value (unicode?) |
| 15:55.50 | qazwsxedc | wols: i installed wheezy |
| 15:55.55 | edbian | wols: Looking at 'chinese language' on wikipedia |
| 15:55.56 | wols | jhutchins_lt: he runs a e350 fusion cpu which came out this february |
| 15:56.16 | wols | qazwsxedc: then install the non-free firmware after you booted with nomodeset |
| 15:56.32 | qazwsxedc | wols: wait a sec, its boot option, right? |
| 15:56.36 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: Oh so lenny and squeeze are "supported"? Then why do they both panic on two different Sun boxes? |
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| 15:56.42 | wols | edbian: yes unicode. IIRC there are chinese fonts packages somewhere in the repos |
| 15:56.53 | edbian | wols: I'll search in synaptic |
| 15:56.56 | wols | burgdorfer: how do they panic? |
| 15:57.00 | themill | burgdorfer: have you asked the sparc people for help? |
| 15:57.01 | danielboston26 | anyone here have experince with dualboot debian and mac os x? |
| 15:57.11 | danielboston26 | dual booting* |
| 15:57.15 | wols | !tell danielboston26 about anyone |
| 15:57.16 | nosotros | Okay, I got the acenic firmware installed using git based on the debian wiki... however It won't load the module on boot :-\ it's still saying the module is failing to load, yet if I modprobe "acenic" it loads and connects |
| 15:57.24 | wols | !tell danielboston26 about macbook |
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| 15:57.30 | babilen | edbian: you want the xfonts-intl- packages and arphic/wenquan ttf ones ... |
| 15:57.42 | edbian | babilen: awesome, thanks |
| 15:57.58 | qazwsxedc | wols: thx at least it boots with nomodeset :D |
| 15:58.06 | wols | nosotros: have you remade your initramfs? |
| 15:58.15 | babilen | edbian: get ttf-arphic-ukai and/or ttf-arphic-uming for arphic |
| 15:58.28 | nosotros | wols: nope |
| 15:58.29 | wols | qazwsxedc: firmware might/should fix the garbled screen. hopefully |
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| 15:58.44 | wols | nosotros: then I suggest you do so. or load it via /etc/modules |
| 15:58.50 | nosotros | nosotros: alright |
| 15:58.53 | wols | !tell qazwsxedc about firmware |
| 15:59.00 | burgdorfer | wols: During the installation, right after configuring the network devices and saying something about usb-storage, not sure whether that's linked. It says kernel panic, not syncing, killing interrupt handler and it's all due to a dereferenced NULL-pointer. |
| 15:59.11 | nosotros | wols: easiest way of remaking initramfs? |
| 15:59.18 | edbian | babilen: thanks! |
| 15:59.26 | edbian | wols: thank you too |
| 15:59.31 | wols | !tell nosotros about initramfs |
| 15:59.38 | burgdorfer | themill: What do you mean by "the sparc people", #debian-sparc? Noone answers there. |
| 15:59.47 | twobitsprite | burgdorfer: find anything on the bts? |
| 15:59.58 | nosotros | thanks wols |
| 15:59.59 | edbian | babilen: what is arphic? |
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| 16:00.24 | burgdorfer | twobitsprite: bts? |
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| 16:00.30 | twobitsprite | !tell burgdorfer about bts |
| 16:00.30 | babilen | edbian: http://www.arphic.com/ |
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| 16:00.39 | themill | burgdorfer: patience. You're one of the 8 people who care about this platform... You might also look back at what you're written to see if you asked questions that people could answer or would want to try to answer. |
| 16:01.02 | wols | themill: 8? that many? |
| 16:01.06 | danielboston26 | i am having a specific issue that this wiki doesn't help with |
| 16:01.08 | edbian | babilen: :) |
| 16:01.24 | danielboston26 | i cannot boot debian when i try it tells me there is no operating system |
| 16:01.26 | burgdorfer | I am aware of that, but I need debian running on those Sun machines, I don't like it either, believe me. |
| 16:01.37 | burgdorfer | That's a lot of commas right there. |
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| 16:01.55 | twobitsprite | burgdorfer: you could also try installing with a backported kernel |
| 16:02.09 | wols | burgdorfer: the oracle-hate seems to get stronger and stronger :) |
| 16:02.24 | burgdorfer | twobitsprite: I found a bunch of messages on the debian mailing lists describing exactly my problems, some of them were supposed to be fixed and others were basically disregarded. |
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| 16:02.52 | danielboston26 | does anyone know the solution to this? |
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| 16:03.14 | supaplex | gonzzor, llutz, jelly. fixed it. right click, turn off number recognition. |
| 16:03.14 | jhutchins_lt | dandersson: You will need to boot to a rescue disk and install grub to the correct disk's mbr. Which release are you installing? |
| 16:03.17 | babilen | edbian: I like http://www.arphic.com/usa/fontgallery/big5_kai.htm -- but http://wenq.org/enindex.cgi coverage is larger (it is typically preferred by chinese people) |
| 16:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | dandersson: Oops. |
| 16:03.26 | twobitsprite | burgdorfer: you can try one of these: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:03.38 | jhutchins_lt | danielboston26: : You will need to boot to a rescue disk and install grub to the correct disk's mbr. Which release are you installing? |
| 16:03.46 | burgdorfer | twobitsprite: Yes, I asked about how to make a custom boot.img since I'm confused that it's a sparc executable and not an archive but apparently everyone in here is confused too. Or can you tell me on how to make a custom sparc exe boot.img? |
| 16:04.09 | danielboston26 | jhutchins_It debian 6.2 |
| 16:04.15 | wols | twobitsprite: which of those would boot on a sparc? |
| 16:04.19 | burgdorfer | twobitsprite: I don't see sparc releases on there... |
| 16:04.28 | danielboston26 | debian 6.0.2* |
| 16:04.31 | twobitsprite | wols: you're right... I didn't even check it there were sparc cds :P |
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| 16:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | danielboston26: What are you installing from? The Squeeze installer sometimes gets confused and installs grub on the USB stick if you install from USB> |
| 16:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | . |
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| 16:05.20 | danielboston26 | jhutchins_It not using a usb key i have a dvd |
| 16:05.46 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Once again, I think you're going to have to resort to mailing lists. There just aren't enough sparc users on irc. |
| 16:05.48 | burgdorfer | I'm baffled. |
| 16:05.49 | twobitsprite | as for a custome installer cd, have you checked this out: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 16:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Did you try debian-sparc on oftc.net? |
| 16:06.22 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: Yes, you're the 5th guy asking me this, there is noone in there, like on other person that's not responding :) |
| 16:06.26 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Yes, that's where he's seeing the sparc exe. |
| 16:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: Given that you're on freenode now, I didn't know if you'd tried oftc.net. |
| 16:06.57 | burgdorfer | twobitsprite, jhutchins_lt: I know how to make custom CDs but apparently I need a sparc executable boot image, not a CD or an initrd archive. |
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| 16:07.04 | Ratty | Can anyone tell me why when I ssh into a machine, syntax highlighting is not enabled in vim but when I open something up on the machine it is fine. (I have type syntax: on in VIM) |
| 16:07.04 | jhutchins_lt | burgdorfer: You've got at least five people trying to help you. |
| 16:07.06 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: I left. |
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| 16:07.15 | burgdorfer | jhutchins_lt: I know and I appreciate it very much |
| 16:07.32 | burgdorfer | It just seems to me like we're running in circles. |
| 16:07.35 | twobitsprite | burgdorfer: sorry, perhaps I don't know how the sparc bot process works... I don't use sparc so I'm just stabbing in the dark |
| 16:07.42 | PrivateAlpha | Is it possible to show apt-get where perl is? :/ |
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| 16:07.55 | wols | burgdorfer: is this still about the etch installer? |
| 16:08.09 | burgdorfer | twobitsprite: the box requests a sparc executable according to it's IP from a TFTP server and basically just runs that. |
| 16:08.14 | danielboston26 | jhutchins_It so what do i need to do when i boot into the rescue cd |
| 16:08.18 | burgdorfer | wols: You could say that, yes. |
| 16:08.21 | wols | PrivateAlpha: probably. but you don't want to do that. why can't you use debian provided perl? |
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| 16:08.34 | babilen | burgdorfer: There are 17 people in there (and a bunch of them are very knowledgeable and active) -- I would ask and idle, you'll get an answer eventually. |
| 16:08.47 | wols | burgdorfer: make a local etch repo and curse loudly while doing it. calling it "stable" :) |
| 16:08.56 | PrivateAlpha | wols: I'd love to but it seems to think perl isnt installed |
| 16:09.03 | PrivateAlpha | which it is |
| 16:09.06 | wols | !tell PrivateAlpha about bat |
| 16:09.16 | wols | PrivateAlpha: and dpkg -l perl is a mandatory part of the paste |
| 16:09.22 | burgdorfer | wols: Thanks for the uplifting humor :) |
| 16:09.57 | wols | burgdorfer: it is sucky solution but it is a sure one (provided the installer works). |
| 16:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | wols: What's the factoid for fixing/installing grub to the mbr? |
| 16:10.31 | burgdorfer | wols: I was thinking about doing a mitm to replace the Release.gpg file with a different one but I figured you guys would know an other way ;) |
| 16:10.44 | wols | !fixgrub |
| 16:10.44 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 16:10.49 | burgdorfer | wols: I'm not even sure about that, but yeah, I might actually end up doing that. |
| 16:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | danielboston26: See above. |
| 16:10.56 | wols | jhutchins_lt: but with macs, it's all about refit and stuff like that |
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| 16:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Ja. |
| 16:11.23 | PrivateAlpha | http://pastebin.com/xxs9mJsh AND http://pastebin.com/SFwaYphk |
| 16:11.33 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, I'm pretty sure the post-etch grub will boot on efi. |
| 16:11.46 | wols | PrivateAlpha: you removed perl. nothing's "installed |
| 16:12.01 | wols | and removing perl taks work. that doesn't just happen :) |
| 16:12.37 | anomaly | is there a flag for top to show me mb in use instead of k? |
| 16:12.38 | wols | *sigh*. another frankendebian |
| 16:12.51 | burgdorfer | Anyway, thank you guys so much for your time, I need a break. |
| 16:13.08 | PrivateAlpha | Well i'm just going to reinstall debian |
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| 16:13.12 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: what's in your sources.list? |
| 16:13.14 | jophish_ | Hi all! |
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| 16:13.34 | jophish_ | Is there a way to get a list of changes form apt |
| 16:13.37 | PrivateAlpha | twobitsprite: its not my sources list thats the problem |
| 16:13.44 | PrivateAlpha | but anyway re installing :P |
| 16:13.46 | jophish_ | I'm curious about what's changing between package versions |
| 16:14.03 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: I don't know that... I haven't seen your sources.list! |
| 16:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | jophish_: somehting like aptitude changelog <package>? |
| 16:14.34 | wols | PrivateAlpha: twobitsprite is right. it is your problem |
| 16:14.46 | jophish_ | jhutchins_lt, that's sounds about right! Thanks! |
| 16:14.46 | PrivateAlpha | twobitsprite: but thats why i stated its not :P wasnt meant rudely |
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| 16:14.58 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: care to paste it anyways just to humour us? |
| 16:15.16 | PrivateAlpha | twobitsprite: Sure :) |
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| 16:15.27 | themill | twobitsprite: the current sources.list is not the problem, it's the past sources.list that will be the problem |
| 16:15.42 | wols | themill: good point |
| 16:15.43 | babilen | jophish_: You can also find the changelog in /usr/share/doc/<PKG>/ for all installed packages. (along with other interesting documentation) |
| 16:16.19 | jophish_ | babilen, brilliant! Thanks! |
| 16:16.40 | wols | jophish_: downside is, you only find it AFTER you have installed the package :( |
| 16:16.57 | wols | then it's already too late since you can't !downgrade :) |
| 16:17.12 | jophish_ | wols, eh, I'm only curious about what's going on :) |
| 16:17.27 | PrivateAlpha | http://pastebin.com/L3dF7Rjb sources.list |
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| 16:18.07 | PrivateAlpha | if there is something wrong there I give you every right to call me stupid |
| 16:18.09 | wols | PrivateAlpha: if you have to lie, please make it at least convincing. this paste is insulting |
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| 16:18.19 | PrivateAlpha | D: |
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| 16:19.26 | PrivateAlpha | wols: please explain? |
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| 16:19.51 | wols | PrivateAlpha: when you killed your debian, you had wheezy repos in there |
| 16:20.42 | wols | and now, you don't even have a normal squeeze one in. you delete too much my friend. anyone in here looking at your 3 pastes will be very unhappy indeed and thing you not worth the trouble of helping |
| 16:20.55 | wols | s/thing/think |
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| 16:21.45 | tekth | what does a port being "filtered" instead of open mean? |
| 16:21.58 | bing | hey i made a couple of programs that i'd like someone to package and push into debian |
| 16:22.38 | twobitsprite | ,versions perl |
| 16:22.39 | wols | tekth: supposedly iptables rejects packages on it |
| 16:22.40 | judd | Package perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; wheezy: 5.12.4-2; sid: 5.12.4-4; experimental: 5.14.1-1 |
| 16:23.12 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: yeah, your perl-modules package depends on a version of perl which is in wheezy |
| 16:23.35 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: don't mix stable with testing/unstable |
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| 16:25.22 | DeM0nFiRe | Hello |
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| 16:27.47 | PrivateAlpha | Eh, I'd confused now since i installed squeeze and never had wheezy in my sources.list |
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| 16:35.30 | stephan48 | hi, what would be the easiest way to show a gdm login(the gnome should run on another server) screen on a local terminal? a bit like gnome-session with x forward, but instead i want the login so users can choose as what to auth on the remote end.. |
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| 16:36.47 | wols | !ltsp |
| 16:36.48 | dpkg | from memory, ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:38.54 | Cain | ,versions snoopy |
| 16:38.57 | judd | Package snoopy on i386 -- lenny: 1.3-15; sid: 1.8.0-2; wheezy: 1.8.0-2 |
| 16:39.11 | Leoneof | how's KDE in Debian? |
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| 16:39.15 | Cain | none on squeeze ?! |
| 16:39.40 | stephan48 | wols: if it was for me, thanks for the answer but the terminals are already running lenny and i want them showing the login additionally |
| 16:40.03 | stephan48 | wols: but i will look into it, maybe i can find some answers howto run a ltsp client standalone without netboot |
| 16:40.23 | wols | stephan48: their gdm config should work for you just fine |
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| 16:40.45 | Lars_G | Greets all. |
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| 16:40.49 | DE1 | hey, i tried doing a dist-upgrade from squeeze to unstable, and im getting unresolved dependencies with perl, i tried aptitude full-upgrade but it suggested uninstalling xorg. i need some help cause the only other thing i can think of is to start fresh |
| 16:40.51 | wols | stephan48: xmdcp is it I think |
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| 16:40.58 | TuxFighter | make-kpkg: is there a way to route all errors into a file ? |
| 16:41.02 | hurdos | Hi all |
| 16:41.11 | wols | !tell de about BAT |
| 16:41.13 | TuxFighter | I got plentry o error while compiling the kernel |
| 16:41.21 | wols | TuxFighter: 2> error.log ? |
| 16:41.25 | Lars_G | I want to make a package that changes one pam.d config and I wonder if someone can guide me to a guide on how to do those, since I see libpam-ldap uses some sort of mechanism to introduce pam changes |
| 16:41.30 | TuxFighter | ah forget about the 2 |
| 16:41.30 | TuxFighter | ^^ |
| 16:41.31 | TuxFighter | thx |
| 16:41.41 | stephan48 | wols: xdmcp? thanks i will look into it |
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| 16:42.46 | hurdos | Does anybody know what is a situation with sqlrelay for debian? |
| 16:43.00 | jhutchins_lt | DE1: I would expect an "upgrade" from squeeze straight to unstalble would probably break like that. |
| 16:43.14 | jhutchins_lt | DE1: Why didn't you do squeeze to wheezy first? |
| 16:43.22 | DE1 | jhutchins_lt: i didnt think it would be an issue |
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| 16:43.41 | TuxFighter | is it sure that make-kpkg will not finish compiling if one error is pretty huge ? |
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| 16:43.55 | DE1 | jhutchins_lt: is there anything i can do at this point? |
| 16:43.58 | Leoneof | anyone using KDE? |
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| 16:44.11 | wols | TuxFighter: it is sure it won't finish if you have only a single very small error |
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| 16:44.23 | wols | !tell Leoneof about anyone |
| 16:44.39 | TuxFighter | so all these warning doesn´t interrupt the kernel later ? |
| 16:44.49 | TuxFighter | in a productive security sensiteive env ? |
| 16:45.02 | wols | TuxFighter: warnings are not errors. so what is it? |
| 16:45.13 | TuxFighter | yea thats clear |
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| 16:45.50 | TuxFighter | but I got some security patches and I really want to make sure that those error are no idication of a special case where it aiming to problem which could be a problem in the future |
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| 16:46.07 | wols | TuxFighter: if you get only one single error, then there won't be a kernel, period |
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| 16:46.56 | wols | TuxFighter: if you don't understand the difference between an error and a warning, then you have no business whatsoever to compile a kernel. please run debian stable so you get a security supported debian kernel. |
| 16:47.08 | Leoneof | wols: how's KDE in Debian? |
| 16:47.09 | TuxFighter | yea its clear |
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| 16:47.19 | TuxFighter | but a warning is still an indicator of an problem |
| 16:47.22 | TuxFighter | thats for sure |
| 16:47.53 | TuxFighter | so I think we all can´t oversee all complexity of any error in all worst cases later in the binary |
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| 16:47.56 | boudiccas | Leoneof; its good |
| 16:48.10 | wols | TuxFighter: you talk gibberish now |
| 16:48.11 | twobitsprite | Leoneof: it's bad |
| 16:48.18 | Leoneof | grrrr |
| 16:48.22 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 16:48.23 | wols | Leoneof: but it gives great head |
| 16:48.26 | TuxFighter | ^^ |
| 16:48.34 | TuxFighter | sorry I am not a native |
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| 16:49.08 | wols | !tell TuxFighter about de |
| 16:49.16 | twobitsprite | Leoneof: what do you want to know? It exists, runs, is stable and it's different than gnome... |
| 16:49.29 | boudiccas | Leoneof; try it and see, you can always uninstall it if you dont like it |
| 16:49.55 | Leoneof | twobitsprite: i want to know if it is slow or not. |
| 16:50.05 | boudiccas | Leoneof; compared to what? |
| 16:50.13 | twobitsprite | Leoneof: depends on your hardware and how you configure it |
| 16:50.14 | Leoneof | compared to to gnome |
| 16:50.31 | boudiccas | never having tried gnome i wouldnt know |
| 16:50.34 | twobitsprite | I haven't noticed any performance differences between gnome and kde on my system |
| 16:50.54 | Leoneof | okay |
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| 16:51.19 | Leoneof | thanks :) |
| 16:51.40 | boudiccas | Leoneof; yw |
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| 16:53.15 | twobitsprite | Leoneof: there are pages upon pages written on the subject of gnome vs kde... too many factors to really do the comparison justice on irc |
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| 16:54.32 | Leoneof | twobitsprite: i've noticed that :D |
| 16:54.52 | qazwsxedc | jhutchins_lt wols ok my X server works, thanks for help :) |
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| 17:00.04 | jhutchins_lt | Leoneof: it's not any slower. |
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| 17:00.51 | jhutchins_lt | Leoneof: You really have to try it and see for yourself though. |
| 17:00.53 | Lars_G | Can I ask in the dev channel maybe? |
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| 17:03.18 | wols | !tell Lars_G about mentors |
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| 17:03.55 | obiwahn | !tell obiwahn about mentors |
| 17:03.56 | Lars_G | wols: ty |
| 17:04.13 | twobitsprite | !tell obiwahn about self tell |
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| 17:04.42 | obiwahn | twobitsprite: thanks i already found out the bots name |
| 17:04.46 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 17:04.47 | Leoneof | jhutchins_lt: i will give it a try, thanks :) |
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| 17:09.20 | Lars_G | twobitsprite: if it tells you not to self tell and use query, and tells something else, would you tell me, so I wont self tell and know not to self tell? |
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| 17:11.08 | Lars_G | obiwahn: ty |
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| 17:14.55 | twobitsprite | Lars_G: *head asplode* |
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| 17:19.37 | jargon- | has anyone tried youtube-dl,lately? why does it keep failing? |
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| 17:22.38 | obiwahn | jargon-: works here |
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| 17:23.42 | DE1 | jhutchins_lt: i think i fixed it... was a perl error in one file, stopping libc6 from upgrading |
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| 17:24.40 | PrivateAlpha | Ok now I have a nice clean install. Also wols: I never had wheezy in my sources.list |
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| 17:25.01 | PrivateAlpha | ed |
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| 17:26.09 | PrivateAlpha | DE1: you referring to the error where perl enters an infinite loop when libc6 is configuring? |
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| 17:26.11 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: you did have sid in your list, but commented out |
| 17:26.27 | PrivateAlpha | sid = wheezy? |
| 17:26.36 | twobitsprite | sid is unstable |
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| 17:26.57 | DE1 | PrivateAlpha: YES! |
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| 17:27.12 | PrivateAlpha | DE1: that happened to me yesterday :/ |
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| 17:27.38 | DE1 | PrivateAlpha: how did you fix it? I just added a kludge to the file in question |
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| 17:28.04 | PrivateAlpha | DE1: Well I reinstalled debian |
| 17:28.12 | DE1 | shit |
| 17:28.13 | PrivateAlpha | But can you please explain what you did? |
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| 17:28.49 | PrivateAlpha | Also that file was nemed wrap18n.pm right? |
| 17:28.54 | PrivateAlpha | named* |
| 17:29.00 | DE1 | yea |
| 17:29.01 | DE1 | iUse of uninitialized value $text in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm line 101, <GEN1> line 4. |
| 17:29.04 | DE1 | substr outside of string at /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm line 130, <GEN1> line 4. |
| 17:29.13 | DE1 | so i just initialized that $text variable |
| 17:29.27 | PrivateAlpha | so the fix is THAT easy? |
| 17:29.28 | PrivateAlpha | ouch |
| 17:29.37 | DE1 | yea |
| 17:29.38 | DE1 | one line |
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| 17:30.03 | DE1 | i got lucky this time |
| 17:30.20 | PrivateAlpha | DE1: where were you hiding for the last two days? and why you only pop up here after i reinstalled debian? :P |
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| 17:30.38 | DE1 | lol i just had this problem and yea, i dont hang out here |
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| 17:30.47 | DE1 | and i shouldnt, i got myself into this problem doing stupid shit |
| 17:30.56 | DE1 | im just a hack |
| 17:31.04 | PrivateAlpha | heh |
| 17:31.35 | The_Ball | Hi, I hope this isn't a *please flame me* question, but I've been trying to find out if there are any experimental repos for kde4.7, does anybody know if there is? |
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| 17:31.44 | DE1 | i think my fix is causing problems, but it seems to be going through |
| 17:31.50 | DE1 | its generating warnings but no errors |
| 17:31.54 | twobitsprite | ,versions kde4 |
| 17:31.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde4' was found in i386. |
| 17:32.11 | twobitsprite | ,versions kde-core |
| 17:32.13 | judd | Package kde-core on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
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| 17:32.50 | twobitsprite | ,versions kdebase-bin |
| 17:32.51 | judd | Package kdebase-bin on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2; sid: 4:4.6.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.6.5-1 |
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| 17:33.14 | twobitsprite | actually, I'm not sure if experimental is even tracked by judd... anyone know? |
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| 17:33.29 | twobitsprite | actually, I'm pretty sure it is |
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| 17:34.23 | PrivateAlpha | twobitsprite: I saw it mention experimental earlier |
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| 17:34.47 | The_Ball | twobitsprite: I'm running sid |
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| 17:35.41 | twobitsprite | according to the kde-team page, the latest update was 4.6.5 on unstable |
| 17:35.45 | themill | The_Ball: 4.7 packaging hasn't been done yet; see #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net or the debian-kde mailing list. |
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| 17:36.01 | themill | twobitsprite: yes, judd imports data from experimental too. |
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| 17:36.11 | The_Ball | themill: thanks, that's the information I was chaising |
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| 17:39.29 | juso | if I add another IP alias eth0:1 - is there anyways to access a remote site via that alias IP? |
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| 17:41.48 | mr_claus | hi, i have trouble with printing to cups printers shared by samba, i don't know at this time if it's a cups or samba problem, it worked before upgrading to debian squeeze |
| 17:42.13 | mr_claus | some prints are missing, the same prints will be printed next time if i start the print job |
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| 17:42.25 | mr_claus | but some time i have to start it a couple of times |
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| 17:42.54 | twobitsprite | juso: if the two IPs are on the same subnet, the only way I know of is to set up specific routing rules |
| 17:43.30 | twobitsprite | juso: or if your application can be configured to specifically use a certain source address or interface |
| 17:43.45 | mr_claus | thats a message of the client log of samba, i don't know if that could be the problem, api_rpcTNP: \spoolss: SPOOLSS_OPENPRINTEREX failed. |
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| 17:44.40 | twobitsprite | mr_claus: possibly a version conflict between the local and remote implementations of samba? |
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| 17:45.07 | mr_claus | twobitsprite: i just have one installation of samba, 3.5.6 of squeeze |
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| 17:46.41 | twobitsprite | mr_claus: but there is a remote system offering the printer over samba, right? doesn't that mean there has to be a local system running samba to connect to it, or does CUPS take care of the SMB stuff itself? |
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| 17:47.35 | mr_claus | twobitsprite: the printer is directly on network and reached with port 9100, cups is connecting to the printer with socket://x.x.x.x:9100/ and samba is sharing the printer to the windows clients |
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| 17:48.12 | twobitsprite | mr_claus: ahh... |
| 17:48.40 | Devastator-work | mr_claus why don't you connect windows clients directly? install the printer as ip port |
| 17:48.44 | twobitsprite | and printing to the printer directly from cups works fine, only from samba you have problems? |
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| 17:50.51 | mr_claus | twobitsprite: i just use the printers from windows clients, next test would be to use them directly without samba, but i'm using point and print to install the printer drivers from the samba server |
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| 17:51.10 | mr_claus | twobitsprite: so using the printers directly would be a workaround but not more |
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| 17:52.01 | mr_claus | Devastator-work: because i have a few clients and don't want to install every printer by hand |
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| 17:52.56 | Devastator-work | i see.. |
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| 17:56.37 | Zzzzz | hi room |
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| 17:57.04 | Zzzzz | i know its not proper channel but.. i want to ask which channel i can use for Amazon EC2 instaces ? |
| 17:57.12 | Zzzzz | debian based* |
| 17:57.30 | obiwahn | wtf? |
| 17:57.45 | nooodl | ,version wine |
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| 17:58.09 | Zzzzz | i meant.. is it any channel where i can ask about debian based AMAZON EC2 ? |
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| 17:58.54 | wols | Zzzzz: is it a debian related question? then it might very well be the right place |
| 17:58.55 | obiwahn | ask in http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ |
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| 17:59.25 | kingsley_ | What does the following output from an otherwise clean fsck mean? |
| 17:59.39 | kingsley_ | Failed to optimize directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial (17531783): Invalid argument |
| 18:00.08 | twobitsprite | mr_claus: I meant, directly from the debian system running cups... that would tell you if it's a cups problem or a samba problem |
| 18:00.23 | wols | kingsley_: did you download something via apt while running fsck? |
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| 18:03.02 | obiwahn | Zzzzz: what is your question:>) |
| 18:03.28 | kingsley_ | wols, I did not. |
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| 18:10.11 | phorce1 | where is a good, generic, init.d script example for squeeze? I'm trying to alien in a proprietary package and trying to modify the generated initscript is kicking my butt. |
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| 18:11.10 | daemonkeeper | phorce1: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 18:12.14 | mr_claus | twobitsprite: i would test this too, i think both tests would be interesting |
| 18:12.32 | phorce1 | pokes other eye out for not seeing that |
| 18:12.35 | phorce1 | daemonkeeper: thx |
| 18:13.07 | FeatureFreak | anyone willing to give my iptables first try a once over? http://dpaste.com/592192/ |
| 18:13.25 | FeatureFreak | a bit of critique and maybe debug why https isn't working for me yet :) |
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| 18:14.43 | valdyn_ | FeatureFreak: nice script, now tell us what its supposed to do and what its doing instead |
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| 18:16.39 | FeatureFreak | valdyn_, :) hah, so it's working for the most part as far as i can tell,,, dns works, basic http works, but i tried connecting to https://gmail.com and https://github.com and they won't work |
| 18:17.12 | jonathan_2 | My mouse cursor wont show up in X, i have tried reinstalling xserver-xorg and no success.. help. |
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| 18:17.35 | FeatureFreak | is there a way to tear down the whole iptables for a second, leave my server bare for a sec to see if https works even without iptables? |
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| 18:18.45 | FeatureFreak | just thought maybe the firewall on the network is an issue |
| 18:18.49 | pzn | I've installed scponly with the chroot option. when I use "winscp" to connect to the debian machine and I select "scp" protocol, it works ok. when I select "sftp" protocol then the remote user can see the system root (meaning that chroot failed). any hints about how to debug this? |
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| 18:18.57 | FeatureFreak | so, a quick way to completely disable iptables? |
| 18:19.04 | FeatureFreak | or to just allow all quickly? |
| 18:19.30 | nkuttler | iptables --flush ? |
| 18:19.58 | jonathan_2 | My mouse cursor wont show up in X, i have tried reinstalling xserver-xorg and no success.. help. |
| 18:20.15 | obiwahn | i gues he wants some sort of suspend of the rules |
| 18:20.21 | FeatureFreak | yeh |
| 18:20.43 | pzn | FeatureFreak, iptables -I INPUT 1 -j ACCEPT; iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -j ACCEPT; iptables -I FORWARD 1 -j ACCEPT |
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| 18:21.03 | nkuttler | or just save the rules... if you don't have other means of restoring them anyway |
| 18:21.03 | FeatureFreak | or just pass in another script to iptables-restore < with those rules |
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| 18:25.59 | FeatureFreak | hmm, might be the network rules blocking my https then, set all the chains to accept, still not working. |
| 18:26.08 | raptor67682 | hello world !! is it Microsoft XP IRC? |
| 18:26.13 | raptor67682 | upps . joke |
| 18:26.42 | raptor67682 | A question. Is there a text based program to store and remember passwords (like kwallet or other)? |
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| 18:29.04 | pzn | raptor67682, I have a "/home/pzn" encrypted at filesystem level, so I use only "vi /home/pzn/mypasswords.txt" to store and remember them :-) |
| 18:29.35 | twobitsprite | raptor67682: I use a custome .vimrc which uses gpg |
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| 18:30.02 | raptor67682 | both, I do not understand ... it looks complicated. And for newbies? |
| 18:30.28 | twobitsprite | raptor67682: http://paste.debian.net/125934/ |
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| 18:31.18 | twobitsprite | raptor67682: the way that works is you run "cvi passwordfile" and put your passwords in it (free-form text) then hit F7 to encrypt it and it will ask you for a passphrase |
| 18:31.22 | thewanderer1 | raptor67682: I save my passwords in text files on an encrypted disk :P |
| 18:31.41 | twobitsprite | then to read it later, "cvi passwordfile" and F8 to decrypt and give the same passphrase |
| 18:31.43 | raptor67682 | thewanderer1> I have no encrypted disk either :( |
| 18:31.57 | babilen | twobitsprite: that is not safe (vim does not call mlock on its memory) |
| 18:32.20 | valdyn_ | raptor67682: is it a laptop? are you worried that policy can read the disk? |
| 18:32.21 | raptor67682 | you mean, into VIM "r, "cvi passwordfile" and F8 to decrypt and give the same passphrase"? |
| 18:32.27 | twobitsprite | babilen: even when you :set secure? |
| 18:32.35 | valdyn_ | s/policy/police/ |
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| 18:33.04 | babilen | twobitsprite: yes, it might be swapped out and the memory is accessible |
| 18:33.04 | twobitsprite | raptor67682: I mean, run "cvi" (the alias provided in my link |
| 18:33.05 | twobitsprite | ) |
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| 18:33.16 | PrivateAlpha1 | How does one upgrade your kernel 2.6.34? |
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| 18:33.31 | valdyn_ | PrivateAlpha1: not at all, thats not in debian |
| 18:33.35 | thewanderer1 | babilen: would you really be worried that root can access your memory dump? he already can :P |
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| 18:33.55 | babilen | thewanderer1: no, i would not. but paranoid or not |
| 18:33.56 | raptor67682 | twobitsprite> i tried :set secure and are reread it gives issue |
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| 18:34.25 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: What are you trying to do? |
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| 18:35.07 | twobitsprite | raptor67682: you see the link I posted? |
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| 18:35.24 | PrivateAlpha | My nouveau version is not compatible with my current kernel :/ |
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| 18:36.04 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: I take it that you are not using the packaged versions then, correct? |
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| 18:36.21 | raptor67682 | twobitsprite> I havent received your link :( |
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| 18:36.36 | PrivateAlpha | I just upgraded to sid from a clean squeeze |
| 18:36.51 | babilen | and? |
| 18:37.44 | PrivateAlpha | and it tells me this: http://pastebin.com/4ZzFe4cd |
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| 18:38.11 | twobitsprite | ,kernels |
| 18:38.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 18:38.15 | nikitis | Did the squeeze repo change last night? |
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| 18:38.22 | nikitis | URL's or go down? |
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| 18:38.42 | valdyn_ | nikitis: no, but maybe your mirror did |
| 18:38.59 | nikitis | how can we check? |
| 18:39.03 | nikitis | it pings fine |
| 18:39.05 | raptor67682 | ok got it http://paste.debian.net/125934/ the link |
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| 18:39.12 | nikitis | but apt-get to them failes on multiple computers |
| 18:39.46 | twobitsprite | raptor67682: the first line is an alias you can put in your ~/.bashrc, everthing after "$cat ~/.cvimrc" is stuff you would put in ~/.cvimrc |
| 18:39.54 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: which kernel do you have installed? |
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| 18:41.40 | PrivateAlpha | babilen: 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 18:42.15 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: That is not the kernel in sid. That means that you either: 1. Did not complete the upgrade or 2. Did not reboot |
| 18:42.20 | raptor67682 | sfd |
| 18:42.21 | raptor67682 | fsd |
| 18:42.21 | raptor67682 | sfda |
| 18:42.21 | raptor67682 | fds |
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| 18:42.33 | PrivateAlpha | doh I didnt reboot :P |
| 18:42.35 | babilen | pats debhelper |
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| 18:42.59 | babilen | raptor67682: What was that? |
| 18:43.20 | PrivateAlpha | Rebooting quick, thanks babilen |
| 18:43.31 | raptor67682 | I pasted, ok, so it does not work F7 :( into vim |
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| 18:46.30 | PrivateAlpha | Ok seems i did something wrong :/ |
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| 18:47.25 | PrivateAlpha | Can someone give a quick explanation on howto upgrade to sid? :3 |
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| 18:49.30 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: You shouldn't do it if you have to ask -- what did you do? |
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| 18:50.23 | PrivateAlpha | Well, changed sources to sid then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist upgrade" ... |
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| 18:50.44 | babilen | "apt-get dist upgrade" does not work |
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| 18:50.56 | babilen | It is "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 18:51.16 | PrivateAlpha | oops ye left out the - |
| 18:51.29 | babilen | ok, what makes you think that the upgrade did not succeed? |
| 18:51.43 | PrivateAlpha | kernel is not 3.x |
| 18:51.59 | PrivateAlpha | or didnt change from 2.6.32 |
| 18:52.02 | zastaph | does anyone use mercurial (or any revision control) to track changes of their system configuration files? How to do it? put .hg in / and then ignore all except the files you wanna monitor? |
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| 18:52.18 | obiwahn | zastaph: git here |
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| 18:52.38 | obiwahn | and there is a tool called etckeeper for debian based on git |
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| 18:53.00 | zastaph | obiwahn, but as I read it etckeeper is for whats in /etc? actually I need mostly things in ~/. ending with rc |
| 18:53.12 | zastaph | and etckeeper can use mercurial too |
| 18:53.13 | obiwahn | rdiff-backup works gerat for backups |
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| 18:53.46 | zastaph | its not much for backup, more to document the changes I do if I need to setup another server or to reinstall |
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| 18:54.42 | obiwahn | so use git or hg and exclude all dirs andfiles not starting . and not ending with rc |
| 18:54.56 | obiwahn | or exclude all and add manually |
| 18:55.05 | zastaph | do I create .hg in / ? or in ~/ ? |
| 18:55.15 | zastaph | if in / I guess I need to modify some rights |
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| 18:55.53 | obiwahn | id do it in the home |
| 18:56.06 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: "apt-cache policy" + sources + "dpkg -l apt libc6 dpkg" + "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 18:56.20 | obiwahn | git init:) but ask in hg or mercurial:) |
| 18:56.27 | zastaph | obiwahn, thanks |
| 18:57.00 | PrivateAlpha | babilen: You were right i didnt finish the upgrade, sorry *facepalm* |
| 18:57.23 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: Are you sure you want to run sid? |
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| 18:57.43 | PrivateAlpha | o m g |
| 18:58.05 | PrivateAlpha | i am going to throw this thing through a window |
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| 18:58.42 | PrivateAlpha | Getting the same perl error that i was gettnig yesterday |
| 18:58.44 | PrivateAlpha | getting* |
| 18:59.04 | babilen | yes, the perl version in sid is currently broken |
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| 18:59.14 | PrivateAlpha | .... |
| 18:59.26 | PrivateAlpha | now someone tells me |
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| 19:00.20 | PrivateAlpha | you sure its the one in sid thats broken? because the upgrade is not finished |
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| 19:00.51 | babilen | Somebody mentioned that he/she fixed it, but I can not recall the name. It was also not mentioned how it was fixed. IIRC you were there. |
| 19:01.01 | PrivateAlpha | DE1 did |
| 19:01.17 | PrivateAlpha | so i'm going to apply what he did |
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| 19:01.43 | PrivateAlpha | eh how do you initialize a perl variable? |
| 19:01.44 | gnarface | hey i've got an idea... how about someone put that patch in the repo |
| 19:01.55 | PrivateAlpha | for perl? |
| 19:02.13 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: its either "my $variable = value" or "$variable = value" i believe... but my perl is a bit rusty |
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| 19:02.38 | PrivateAlpha | thanks gnarface |
| 19:03.36 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: Both is correct, with my being required when using the strict pragma. |
| 19:03.58 | gnarface | isn't the "my" prefix kinda like using 'var' in javascript - it forces a fresh local copy for initialization ... or something |
| 19:03.59 | gnarface | ? |
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| 19:04.30 | gnarface | more secure |
| 19:04.47 | PrivateAlpha | gnarface: its my $var :P |
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| 19:07.41 | Python | Hello |
| 19:07.47 | Python | How to install something locally ? |
| 19:08.15 | boudiccas | Python; define 'something' ? be specific |
| 19:08.17 | daemonkeeper | gnarface: Yes, its a local scope (in contrast to our). But that's the default behaviour anyway. |
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| 19:09.06 | Python | lxml |
| 19:09.12 | Python | python lxml |
| 19:09.37 | gnarface | Python: apt-get update && apt-get install python-lxml |
| 19:09.52 | gnarface | Python: you might find apt-cache search [regex] to be a useful command. |
| 19:09.58 | Python | without sudo |
| 19:10.10 | babilen | Python: I would recommend to either install that with --user (see PEP 370) or in a virtualenv with pip -- I would generally recommend the latter. |
| 19:10.11 | gnarface | oh on a box you have no root access or sudo access for? |
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| 19:11.47 | babilen | Python: Take a look at virtualenv + virtualenvwrapper -- if you develop in Python you want to use that. |
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| 19:14.16 | Python | gnarface, I dont have root |
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| 19:15.01 | gnarface | Python: i'm very sorry to hear that. my heart goes out to you bro. |
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| 19:15.35 | PrivateAlpha | Why is it simply so hard to upgrade to sid? |
| 19:15.47 | smugglerinc | Whenever I try to use aptitude I get a 503 forwarding error. But If I try to perform the same action in synaptic it works without an error. |
| 19:16.18 | Python | gnarface, lol |
| 19:16.18 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: It is not -- maybe you should consider running something else like squeeze. |
| 19:16.36 | babilen | smugglerinc: http proxy? |
| 19:16.52 | PrivateAlpha | babilen: squeeze doesnt have an updated ffmpeg, which i need :/ |
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| 19:16.54 | babilen | smugglerinc: do wget/curl/aria2 work? |
| 19:17.06 | babilen | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 19:17.07 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-3; sid: 4:0.6.2-5; experimental: 4:0.7.1-2; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.8-0.2; sid-multimedia: 5:0.8.1-0.0 |
| 19:17.08 | smugglerinc | babilen I believe that wget sill functions. |
| 19:17.23 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: What about the version in squeeze-multimedia: ? |
| 19:17.54 | smugglerinc | babilen: Yes. wget does in fact function |
| 19:17.59 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: compile your own ffmpeg if you need the new one. |
| 19:18.05 | babilen | smugglerinc: Hmm, apt-get ? |
| 19:18.44 | babilen | !tell PrivateAlpha -about dmm |
| 19:18.47 | babilen | !tell PrivateAlpha -about ssb |
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| 19:20.04 | smugglerinc | babilen: Nope. |
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| 19:21.34 | smugglerinc | babilen: My server has the same repositories and I can retrieve packages on it. |
| 19:21.38 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: i never had trouble upgrading to SID. i think your problems are just largely related to bad luck or bad timing |
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| 19:21.57 | PrivateAlpha | gnarface: I blame perl |
| 19:22.11 | PrivateAlpha | which seems to be the root of my bas luck |
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| 19:22.19 | smugglerinc | babilen: Restarting the terminal seems to have fixed it. |
| 19:22.22 | babilen | smugglerinc: what errors are you getting? might also be related to ipv6 -- try to disable it for a second |
| 19:22.23 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: it *is* called unstable for a reason :-/ |
| 19:22.37 | babilen | smugglerinc: marvellous -- whatever might have caused that |
| 19:22.40 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: perl jacked us all up a few weeks back too |
| 19:22.42 | PrivateAlpha | gnarface: I doubt its the perl in sid |
| 19:22.52 | smugglerinc | babilen: Thanks for the assistance. |
| 19:22.59 | babilen | smugglerinc: heh, well :) |
| 19:23.17 | PrivateAlpha | because the upgrade to sid just started |
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| 19:25.32 | raptor67682 | would have someone a working multimedia remote control for DEBIAN? A cheap and good one for lircd |
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| 19:26.33 | nsadmin | I want to try hibernating this machine. I have 4g ram and a little over 8g swap, running the kde in squeeze... what now? |
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| 19:26.58 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: What kind of machine is it? |
| 19:27.10 | masterkorp | What is called the meta package with gcc, make and etc ? |
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| 19:27.27 | nsadmin | a dell 15r with amd amd64x3 |
| 19:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | masterkorp: build-essentials |
| 19:27.48 | nsadmin | -s |
| 19:27.48 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Is that a desktop or a laptop? |
| 19:27.58 | nsadmin | sorry, laptop |
| 19:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | masterkorp: build-essential |
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| 19:28.17 | masterkorp | jhutchins_lt: thnaks |
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| 19:28.22 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Well, you could try closing the lid, see what happens. Squeeze? |
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| 19:28.47 | nsadmin | as noted above, yes. closing the lid doesn't hibernate |
| 19:29.40 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: You might be missing some bits. When you hit ctrl-alt-del, does the "Shut Down" option have a little black arrow? Should offer a drop down with shutdown, S2R, S2D. |
| 19:29.55 | nsadmin | after this I want to get my broadcom going, m-a fails to build. how to get the build log to a file? |
| 19:30.15 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, ctrl-alt-del doesn't do anything |
| 19:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: You must have a different hotkey scheme. |
| 19:30.44 | nsadmin | there is a hibernate in kdemenu -> leave |
| 19:30.53 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: There ya go. |
| 19:31.16 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Sleep is RAM, Hibernate is Disk. |
| 19:31.19 | nsadmin | I'll try that... but how do I come out of it? |
| 19:31.40 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, specifically swap? |
| 19:32.32 | jhutchins_lt | RAM should wake up on keyboard/mouse. Disk will require you to hit the power button. |
| 19:32.56 | jhutchins_lt | You should have been seeing it look for a suspend file on boot, at that point it loads the RAM image directly and off you go. |
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| 19:37.50 | jeward_ | Hi, I'm in the process of upgrading 220 servers to squeeze from lenny and am running into problems with mysql. |
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| 19:38.23 | jeward_ | I THOUGHT I'd found the solution by removing mysql, squeezing and then reinstalling mysql, but even that's not working. |
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| 19:38.47 | nsadmin | maybe it did hibernate... but, coulnd't get it out of hibernation |
| 19:38.47 | kencausey | Help please. I'm running testing and for some reason today I've lost font support in X (Gnome). When gdm3 starts where there should be glyphs are just boxes. The same is true everywhere else when I login. |
| 19:39.08 | jeward_ | I've googled and can't find anything helpful, I comment out #skip-bdb before I begin the process. |
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| 19:40.29 | twobitsprite | jeward_: hehe, "squeezing"... I like that :) |
| 19:40.38 | nsadmin | googles goggle but they don't fall down |
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| 19:41.03 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: Yeah, my script I run to do the process is called: squeeze. :-) |
| 19:41.07 | PrivateAlpha | you know this is starting to feel like a loop of bloody doom |
| 19:41.08 | twobitsprite | jeward_: anyways, what problems are you running in to? |
| 19:41.38 | PrivateAlpha | I hope perl burns in coding hell |
| 19:41.44 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: mysql won't start after I reinstall it after the upgrade. |
| 19:41.51 | twobitsprite | jeward_: errors? |
| 19:41.59 | nsadmin | what's wrong with perl? |
| 19:42.19 | gnarface | nsadmin: broke his upgrade |
| 19:42.26 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: generating. |
| 19:42.31 | PrivateAlpha | several times! |
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| 19:42.37 | nsadmin | to what, experimental? |
| 19:42.52 | PrivateAlpha | nope upgrading from squeeze to sid |
| 19:43.03 | nsadmin | unstable. |
| 19:43.06 | jeward_ | http://pastebin.com/5LZvNhb2 |
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| 19:43.13 | nsadmin | so I wan't too far off |
| 19:43.15 | gnarface | nsadmin: to be fair he didn't follow the directions, but they're his *first* upgrades, so you can also understand the sentiment i'm sure, even if its not rational |
| 19:43.23 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: http://pastebin.com/5LZvNhb2 |
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| 19:43.47 | memleak | hi! |
| 19:43.51 | nsadmin | PrivateAlpha, are you a dd? |
| 19:44.00 | PrivateAlpha | nsadmin: a what? |
| 19:44.00 | twobitsprite | jeward_: hmm |
| 19:44.13 | nsadmin | allllrightey then :) |
| 19:44.13 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: Helpful, no? :-) |
| 19:44.14 | twobitsprite | jeward_: when you did the upgrade, did it prompt you about mysql config files? |
| 19:44.21 | memleak | how do i apply changes to modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf or a new file such as /etc/modprobe.d/sound? |
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| 19:44.25 | PrivateAlpha | also gnarface what instructions didnt i not follow? |
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| 19:44.41 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: We decided to stop trying the upgrade. So now I remove mysql before the upgrade and reinstall after. |
| 19:44.45 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: the upgrade manual (which would have told you not to skip a release in the process, i think) |
| 19:44.46 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: the part where *WARNING SID DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK* |
| 19:44.53 | memleak | i want to apply options snd slots=snd_hda_intel at start up but it wont work. other sound devices are still default and that snd slots option doesn't apply |
| 19:44.54 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: It does ask about config files which I preserve. |
| 19:44.58 | gnarface | PrivateAlpha: hang on the bot knows. one sec |
| 19:45.02 | gnarface | ,manual |
| 19:45.04 | gnarface | !manual |
| 19:45.04 | dpkg | If you are looking for manuals and guides focusing on Debian, from a user perspective, the administrator's view, and others, see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>. |
| 19:45.08 | memleak | !alsa |
| 19:45.08 | dpkg | The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <default alsa>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:45.08 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: I do comment out skip-bdb. |
| 19:45.08 | gnarface | damn |
| 19:45.11 | gnarface | !upgrade |
| 19:45.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 19:45.16 | nsadmin | PrivateAlpha, as you're just now starting to find out a little bit of, sid is NOT for the faint of heart |
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| 19:45.32 | memleak | http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA#Troubleshooting |
| 19:45.41 | memleak | that wiki is either missing a step or is wrong |
| 19:45.41 | gnarface | nsadmin: which one is the factlet about the upgrade manual? is it called release notes? |
| 19:45.55 | twobitsprite | jeward_: sorry, what does that do? |
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| 19:46.06 | memleak | options snd slots=<snd card> might as well not do anything |
| 19:46.16 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: I've read that line in my.cnf makes mysql 5.1 puke. |
| 19:46.27 | memleak | debian squeeze / stable btw |
| 19:46.30 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: But it's still not starting. |
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| 19:46.35 | twobitsprite | jeward_: oh, it's a mysql config thig |
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| 19:46.37 | memleak | any help would be greatly appreciated! |
| 19:46.41 | gnarface | memleak: yea its missing a step. some of the sound card drivers in some cases need their own options (and they aren't always very well documented) try modinfo -p [module name] |
| 19:46.50 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: Not sure. I can't find any errors. |
| 19:46.57 | twobitsprite | jeward_: did the squeeze release notes mention anything about upgrading a system with mysql? |
| 19:47.08 | twobitsprite | doesn't recall |
| 19:47.17 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: Not sure, let me look. |
| 19:47.26 | memleak | modinfo isnt a command |
| 19:47.28 | memleak | nor a package |
| 19:47.28 | PrivateAlpha | nsadmin: I still want to know what you meant by 'dd'? |
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| 19:47.37 | twobitsprite | !dd |
| 19:47.37 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is an abbreviation for Debian Developer, or a utility for the low-level copying and conversion of raw data: man dd, dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a CD/DVD. See also <win32 dd>, <ddrescue>, <gddrescue>. |
| 19:47.42 | memleak | !modinfo |
| 19:47.48 | nsadmin | what it is for is developers.... now if you feel explorative and experimental, and you don't care if the box dies several times in succession while it boots, and you don't intend to do real work and/or you have a solid backup plan which includes storing entire online storage on your machine... |
| 19:47.49 | abrotman | you can msg the bot ... |
| 19:47.55 | nsadmin | dd is debian developer |
| 19:47.58 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: I don't see anything about mysql in the release notes. |
| 19:48.05 | Jayro | Hello, im running gnome on debian stable. and have 2 monitors, however only one is detected. When i boot into windows they are both detechted. can anyone help? |
| 19:48.08 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: nsadmin's point was that sid is meant for Debian Developers and not end users |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | memleak: it is a command, it's in /sbin/modinfo |
| 19:48.32 | twobitsprite | jeward_: hmm, sorry, out of ideas... might have to wait until someone more familiar with how the mysql packages work to come around |
| 19:48.35 | nsadmin | well yes, but see above |
| 19:48.49 | jeward_ | twobitsprite: K, thanks. |
| 19:49.02 | gnarface | how does memleak not have modinfo? |
| 19:49.39 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: is there a specific reason you need to upgrade to sid? |
| 19:49.39 | memleak | oh sudo.. |
| 19:49.41 | nsadmin | not running as root? |
| 19:49.44 | memleak | durr! |
| 19:49.49 | Jayro | anyo,e |
| 19:50.09 | memleak | thats another thing i noticed with debian.. instead of saying: you need to be root, it says: command not found |
| 19:50.13 | memleak | why did debian do that??? |
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| 19:50.28 | memleak | PATH should always stay the same and just print info on why it cant run |
| 19:50.31 | abrotman | memleak: because that's how it should be |
| 19:50.43 | twobitsprite | memleak: you're always welcome to add that stuff to your path |
| 19:50.46 | memleak | thats what every other distro does.. |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | memleak: which others? Ubuntu? |
| 19:50.54 | memleak | fedora, arch, suse, etc... |
| 19:50.54 | twobitsprite | memleak: debian isn't every other distro |
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| 19:51.13 | twobitsprite | what's with the sudden rash of people recently switching to debian and then coming in here to complain that it's not like their other distro? |
| 19:51.15 | nsadmin | memleak, learn about environment variables... learn how they can be on any process... learn about the env var PATH |
| 19:51.17 | PrivateAlpha | twobitsprite: because i dont like being called feint hearted :P |
| 19:51.21 | memleak | when you run something that requires root privs, it should say: you need to be root, or insufficent privileges |
| 19:51.25 | memleak | not that it cant find it.. |
| 19:51.36 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: ahh.... in that case, have fun! :) |
| 19:51.45 | nsadmin | memleak, see above |
| 19:51.48 | gnarface | memleak: every other distro is NOT debian. debian does things *correctly* even if it sacrifices convenience. convenience is not a valid argument. |
| 19:52.11 | nsadmin | and, look at the value of your nonroot shell's PATH var |
| 19:52.15 | gnarface | memleak: and you're always welcome to do whatever inappropriate things to your own configs that you want... you've been warned though. |
| 19:52.16 | abrotman | memleak: have you ever used a Unix? they don't do that |
| 19:52.36 | nsadmin | and compare that to PATH when root |
| 19:52.46 | PrivateAlpha | twobitsprite: also its on my "I dont really care about this box" box so if shit hits the fan then i hit a big red button and start over.. all i really lose is my chess game :( |
| 19:52.59 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: lol |
| 19:53.04 | memleak | bleh |
| 19:53.15 | nsadmin | isn't unix plural for "harum guard"? |
| 19:53.21 | PrivateAlpha | which is probably a good thing because i suck at chess :) |
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| 19:54.13 | PrivateAlpha | also looks like my sid upgrade is going better this time |
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| 19:54.25 | nsadmin | PrivateAlpha, well, if it's that plus the machine doesn't support other users, then do anything you want with it |
| 19:54.28 | twobitsprite | PrivateAlpha: how are you doing your upgrade anyways? |
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| 19:55.58 | PrivateAlpha | honestly? i just want ffmpeg upgraded for now :P its anoying since the one on squeeze had to be 1+ years old since it didnt support .webm files |
| 19:56.04 | PrivateAlpha | annoying* |
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| 19:56.21 | memleak | bleh screw it, ill change the index on the sound card instead of the slots= option |
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| 19:56.41 | abrotman | memleak: btw .. i just checked a centos5 VM .. you're wrong, not every other distro does it |
| 19:56.46 | memleak | whatever |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | aww ... |
| 19:56.51 | memleak | you get the point |
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| 19:56.54 | abrotman | no .. i don't |
| 19:56.58 | memleak | yes you do |
| 19:57.03 | memleak | you're just being a usual asshat |
| 19:57.05 | memleak | anyway.. |
| 19:57.31 | PrivateAlpha | A hat on a donkey? lol |
| 19:57.37 | memleak | sure! |
| 19:57.45 | abrotman | right, you can't understand why it shouldn't be in your path, so you're upset .. every distro i've used, and other unix OSes, do not have /sbin/ or /usr/sbin/ in the normal user's path |
| 19:57.49 | gnarface | i'm pretty sure rule #1 about irc is that the op is allowed to be any type of hat he wishes. |
| 19:57.50 | nsadmin | memleak, if your point is "X distro does it, therefore every dist should", that just doesn't fly :) |
| 19:58.02 | pingveno | Is there a way to have Python's virtualenv copy over dist-packages as symlinked files? |
| 19:58.03 | memleak | several distros, not every |
| 19:58.12 | memleak | happy now, grammar nazis? :D |
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| 19:58.14 | pingveno | Inherit the environment |
| 19:58.17 | abrotman | <memleak> thats what every other distro does.. |
| 19:58.37 | memleak | i know thats what i said |
| 19:58.37 | nsadmin | memleak, abrotman is correct tho, you're not understanding why it says not found |
| 19:58.50 | memleak | so i corrected myself, by saying "several" |
| 19:59.00 | memleak | now.. |
| 19:59.06 | abrotman | too bad i destroyed the suse vm .. |
| 19:59.10 | abrotman | oh wait .. i might be able to get to one |
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| 19:59.24 | memleak | if we can quit it with the vocabulary lessons and get down to helping others, whoever needs assistance, that would be lovely! |
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| 19:59.54 | memleak | i believe this is #debian anyway and not ##English |
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| 20:00.01 | abrotman | Ah, nope, just another CentOS VM |
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| 20:00.35 | PrivateAlpha | I think his english teacher attacked him for improper grammar.. |
| 20:00.35 | nsadmin | memleak, so, you're not getting the why because evidently you're not familiar with the environment |
| 20:01.00 | nsadmin | doesn't he have two grammars? |
| 20:01.08 | thewanderer1 | I do believe I was quite surprised that I had to call /sbin/ifconfig in Debian instead of ifconfig after migrating from OpenSuSE, yes |
| 20:01.25 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: that's why you use "ip addr" |
| 20:01.27 | twobitsprite | /bin/ip |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:01.52 | xoz | it seems /etc/init.d/networking restart is no longer the proper way to use? |
| 20:01.55 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite: tell that to me four years ago! :P |
| 20:02.03 | twobitsprite | thewanderer1: hehe |
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| 20:02.20 | twobitsprite | wonders if the ip command existed 4 years ago |
| 20:02.22 | twobitsprite | I can't recall |
| 20:03.11 | abrotman | it's existed for a long time |
| 20:03.22 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, programs like ifconfig change things about the shared resource that is the net. plain users should be restricted from changing things about shared resources, whether it's net/routing/etc or position of paper in the printer |
| 20:03.51 | abrotman | quotes a friend of his who does run another OS (relating to /sbin in the $PATH) .. "Dang, every Ubuntu user has /sbin in the path. Dumb." |
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| 20:04.21 | pingveno | abrotman: Wha? |
| 20:04.26 | pingveno | Why would... |
| 20:04.27 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 20:04.47 | kencausey | Help please. I'm running testing and for some reason today I've lost font support in X (Gnome). When gdm3 starts where there should be glyphs are just boxes. The same is true everywhere else when I login. |
| 20:04.53 | nsadmin | it's dumb especially considering what canonical is targeting as the average ubuntu user |
| 20:05.14 | abrotman | kencausey: what was upgraded/removed since your last login ? |
| 20:05.22 | gnarface | xoz: since when? i have seen problems with certain network configurations that only work right if you stop then start, instead of call restart... but i think its usually something you can fix within your own configuration |
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| 20:06.05 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: apparently there is a warning displayed when you do restart |
| 20:06.31 | gnarface | thewanderer1: oh. that's news to me. |
| 20:06.34 | kencausey | abrotman: Good question. Perhaps I'm confused. The day before yesterday I did do a apt-get autoremove that removed some stuff. But everything was fine yesterday. So I'm not sure. Since the problem started today I've reinstalled many font related packages, my video driver, defoma, lots of related stuff. Not the right stuff it seems. |
| 20:07.05 | xoz | gnarface: i checked /etc/network/interfaces... ok, the auto eth0 is commented out... hmmm |
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| 20:07.15 | nsadmin | kencausey, probably "some stuff" included your system fonts |
| 20:07.33 | xoz | gnarface: another program perhaps hijacked the file. anyway, it works now. ty |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | kencausey: aptitude install xorg ? |
| 20:07.43 | kencausey | nsadmin: I've checked Xorg.0.log, the only complaint is missing cyrillic fonts which I don't need |
| 20:07.48 | nsadmin | kencausey, so, what else happened today? |
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| 20:07.57 | kencausey | hmm, I have not reinstalled xorg, I could do that |
| 20:08.05 | kencausey | nsadmin: nothing |
| 20:08.19 | gnarface | xoz: oh maybe you got networkmanager installed or something. i hate that crap. |
| 20:08.21 | xoz | kencausey: why not mv .gnome or anything related to gnome in $HOME |
| 20:08.33 | nsadmin | not rebooted? not installed anything? not touched your computer in any way? |
| 20:08.38 | xoz | gnarface: yep. network manager is stupid. i just noticed. |
| 20:08.49 | kencausey | nsadmin: I started the system, shutdown yesterday. true |
| 20:08.53 | kencausey | xoz: good idea |
| 20:09.12 | nsadmin | kencausey, what was the status before shutdown? |
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| 20:09.40 | xoz | kencausey: usually, testing or unstable messes the config especially if gnome is changing a lot of features. |
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| 20:09.57 | kencausey | nsadmin: fine |
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| 20:10.55 | xoz | says bye bye network-manager |
| 20:11.42 | nsadmin | ok, so uninstalling the fonts (well, assumming that's w3hat happened) they stayed cached somehow, then when you rebooted, something was missing |
| 20:12.06 | finetic | Hi, I have a server that had some files in a dir like /home/user/DataDir/ in which there were some subdirectories with files in it.. This was about 1.5-2 years ago.. Now these files are deleted by 'rm -rf filenames' .. Is there a possible way I can retrieve these files or the original names of the directories or the content of the files? |
| 20:12.07 | nsadmin | so, you still need to know what "some stuff" was that it autoremoved |
| 20:12.45 | xoz | misses playing with sid for a while. now that he has 30mbps, maybe sid install in vmware is not a bad idea again... |
| 20:12.54 | kencausey | nsadmin: I today reinstalled many fonts including all the core X fonts (that I know about 75dpi, 100dpi, etc) |
| 20:13.07 | kencausey | I've reinstalled libfreetype |
| 20:14.00 | nsadmin | ok, my turn. I'm trying to build the broadcom driver and m-a fails to build somethign... I want to pastebin the build log but m-a stuck it in a scrollable dialig |
| 20:14.03 | kencausey | xoz: I've moved .gconf .gconfd .gnome2 .gnome2_private and it has made no difference |
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| 20:14.25 | PrivateAlpha | ok looks like sid upgrade was successful for a change! rebootin wish me luck! |
| 20:14.26 | xoz | kencausey: try create new user and login to that user |
| 20:14.33 | kencausey | xoz: ok |
| 20:14.35 | nsadmin | any way to get m-a to spew the log on stdout or stderr while it tries to build? |
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| 20:14.53 | kencausey | xoz: hmm, wait. I think you are missing something. The problem starts at gdm3, before any login occurs. |
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| 20:15.18 | nsadmin | make-kpkg modules_image doesn't try to build the module for some reason |
| 20:15.24 | xoz | kencausey: try apt-cache purge gdm3 and reinstall it |
| 20:15.28 | kencausey | ok |
| 20:15.36 | xoz | i mean apt-get remove --purge |
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| 20:15.51 | nsadmin | you might want to do that with gdm3 alreadyu stopped |
| 20:16.02 | kencausey | apt-get purge that is |
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| 20:16.15 | kencausey | of course, I stop gdm3 as soon as I realize it's not right |
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| 20:16.51 | eliasson_ | I'm making a script that unpacks *.r01-files, and wish to grep the current procentage of that operation - and update it each second to my script. /j mrtg |
| 20:16.56 | xoz | kencausey: make sense to install apt-listbugs |
| 20:16.57 | eliasson_ | Nevermind |
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| 20:18.46 | kencausey | xoz: purging gdm3 (it took a few other gnome packages with it) reinstalling gdm3 and gnome made no difference. As suggested I have installed apt-listbugs. |
| 20:19.12 | kencausey | hmm, just notice your apt-get remove --purge comment, will do again |
| 20:19.22 | Jayro | Hello, When trying to run thunderbird i get this error: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:19.40 | Jayro | however i am 99% sure i have the right packages installed |
| 20:19.59 | kencausey | it doesn't seem to be doing anything different, but doing it anyway.. |
| 20:20.30 | abrotman | Jayro: how did you install thunderbird? |
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| 20:21.05 | Jayro | downloaded from their website, and extracted it. then copied the files to /urs/bin like i have on my other 2 linux boxes. |
| 20:21.11 | kencausey | xoz: no change |
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| 20:21.55 | Jayro | abrotman, /usr/bin ** |
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| 20:22.20 | xoz | kencausey: try a differnt window manager? |
| 20:22.28 | abrotman | Jayro: whta? |
| 20:22.29 | nsadmin | Jayro, why not install thunderberd from the debian package |
| 20:22.52 | xoz | kencausey: i mean display manager |
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| 20:23.07 | Jayro | nsadmin, couldnt find one? |
| 20:23.22 | obiwahn | icedove |
| 20:23.24 | nsadmin | , versions thunderbird |
| 20:23.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'thunderbird' was found in i386. |
| 20:23.26 | PrivateAlpha | ok.. wtf |
| 20:23.30 | xoz | kencausey: like gdm because gdm3 is unstable |
| 20:23.36 | Jayro | icedove.. clever |
| 20:23.40 | nsadmin | oh, icedove? |
| 20:23.44 | PrivateAlpha | Why does my kernel not update to the sid version |
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| 20:24.25 | Jayro | nsadmin, new problem ;3 jarred@Jarred-PC:~/Downloads/thunderbird$ icedove |
| 20:24.25 | Jayro | run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute /usr/bin/icedove-bin. |
| 20:24.52 | nsadmin | you've copied stuff to /usr/bin |
| 20:24.59 | Jayro | ea.. |
| 20:25.01 | Jayro | yea..* |
| 20:25.11 | nsadmin | this could have caused problems |
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| 20:25.13 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: metapackage installed? what happens if you install the package directly? are you sure you want to run sid? (i recommend not to) |
| 20:25.19 | abrotman | is this the Thunderbird installer from mozilla.org ? |
| 20:25.33 | Jayro | abrotman, no installer.. |
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| 20:25.49 | obiwahn | Jayro: reintall your system |
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| 20:25.54 | Jayro | no. |
| 20:25.59 | obiwahn | and learn the following: |
| 20:26.16 | PrivateAlpha | babilen: Eh metapackage? |
| 20:26.27 | babilen | !tell PrivateAlpha -about metapackage |
| 20:26.27 | obiwahn | do not install non debian packages as root |
| 20:26.40 | obiwahn | you can alway do that as user |
| 20:26.58 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: like linux-image-amd64 or so |
| 20:27.18 | nsadmin | certainly don't install them to dirs debian packaging claims for its control (like /usr/bin) |
| 20:27.26 | obiwahn | put the stuff in /usr/local /opt /usr/opt wahtever you like as long as is does not conflict with dpkg |
| 20:27.31 | kencausey | xoz: Huh? apt-cache lists no gdm package other than gdm3 |
| 20:27.50 | babilen | kencausey: gdm has been removed post-squeeze |
| 20:28.07 | nsadmin | why, what happenhed to it |
| 20:28.17 | babilen | nsadmin: obsoleted by gdm3 |
| 20:28.28 | kencausey | babilen: thanks |
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| 20:28.57 | Miesco | I'm doing: mount -o loop file.iso /media/iso0, it says 'mount: you must specify the filesystem type' |
| 20:29.09 | xoz | kencausey: maybe wdm or xdm or kdm? try apt-listbugs to check if gdm3 has bugs |
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| 20:29.26 | abrotman | Miesco: -t iso9660 |
| 20:29.27 | kencausey | well, I'm installing xdm, but it seems gnome insists on installing gdm3 |
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| 20:30.26 | Miesco | abrotman: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0... |
| 20:30.32 | zykotick9 | kencausey, gnome-desktop-environment doesn't include GDM3 |
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| 20:30.45 | babilen | kencausey: Do not install the gnome metapackage then -- /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:30.47 | xoz | kencausey: that is a bad thing. hmmm. display managers should be independent |
| 20:31.04 | babilen | xoz: they are |
| 20:31.07 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 20:31.07 | dpkg | iso mount is, like, mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 20:31.12 | abrotman | that's how it works |
| 20:31.16 | nsadmin | Miesco, so your .iso file is not actually an iso or the path to it is not properly speciried |
| 20:32.14 | Miesco | nsadmin: How do you see what type of file a file is? |
| 20:32.23 | nsadmin | file |
| 20:32.26 | xoz | babilen: shouldn't the metapackage be flexible enough not to force deps for display managers? |
| 20:32.38 | nsadmin | or try |
| 20:32.41 | nsadmin | man file |
| 20:32.45 | zykotick9 | xoz, gnome-desktop-environment doesn't include GDM3 |
| 20:32.51 | babilen | xoz: There are smaller metapackages, and no, they are not flexible enough right now. |
| 20:32.58 | xoz | babilen: i see |
| 20:33.25 | xoz | babilen: they could use deps: dm1 | dm2 | dm3 |
| 20:33.29 | xoz | in the status |
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| 20:33.45 | babilen | xoz: They depend on a set of packages which IMHO is not optimal |
| 20:33.51 | kencausey | xoz: It's not a big problem, the gdm3 configuration allows me to specify a default. Both can be installed simultaneously |
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| 20:34.11 | xoz | kencausey: ah. /etc/X11/default? |
| 20:34.20 | kencausey | that said xdm fails to start and has given me something else to try: reinstalling fontconfig which I'm doing now |
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| 20:34.59 | kencausey | xoz: /etc/X11/default-display-manager actually |
| 20:35.05 | babilen | xoz: The argumentation typically goes like this: "If you are smart enough to know what packages you want, you can just install them. If not, a metapackage makes it easy to define sets of packages that should be installed together" |
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| 20:35.33 | PrivateAlpha | The greatest thing i've seen today: 3.0.0-1-686-pae |
| 20:36.10 | nsadmin | ahh,... something that ends in 0 |
| 20:36.20 | PrivateAlpha | So finally have sid upgraded :P |
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| 20:36.40 | kencausey | well xdm starts now and looks fine, let's try gdm again |
| 20:36.50 | xoz | babilen: i just misinterpreted kencausey regarding gnome forcing just one dm. i think it's not the fault of metapackage because usually in the dep file of debian, it can list several dms for deps |
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| 20:38.13 | xoz | PrivateAlpha: if you practice fixing issues in sid by yourself, it is a good training env |
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| 20:39.09 | Miesco | nsadmin: It says the file is 'data' |
| 20:39.34 | PrivateAlpha | xoz: sure but for now i'm just happy i finally got it to upgrade after 2 days :P |
| 20:39.36 | nsadmin | perhaps it's lost its "iso"ness somehow |
| 20:39.38 | babilen | xoz: I know exactly what you are referring to. The whole "gnome" (and other DEs) metapackage situation is not optimal in my opinion. An attempt to change that was http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep6/ which was rejected. A good solution might be if metapackages just declared recommends, so you can easily remove packages from the set without removing the metapackage itself. We will see what happens in the future. |
| 20:40.24 | xoz | babilen: yep. i think this should be addressed in the future. |
| 20:41.15 | PrivateAlpha | So thanks to the many that helped and tried to help me :) |
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| 20:41.31 | babilen | PrivateAlpha: yay! |
| 20:41.46 | xoz | babilen: metapackages with enough flexibility is a good thing because it can automate lots of installation and allows you to do selective install/uninstall |
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| 20:42.09 | babilen | xoz: indeed |
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| 20:42.19 | PrivateAlpha | as proof that i like breaking debian and friends.. I made grub crash :P |
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| 20:42.34 | PrivateAlpha | also kernel fails to load here and there :P |
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| 20:43.32 | xoz | PrivateAlpha: with many virtualization, you can experiment without really worrying the consequences especially if you save the snapshots of your system before breaking it. |
| 20:43.44 | kencausey | Good news! It seems reinstalling fontconfig was the key |
| 20:43.53 | kencausey | gdm3 is fine now |
| 20:43.58 | xoz | !congratulate kencausey |
| 20:43.58 | dpkg | Huzzah kencausey, you did it! |
| 20:44.09 | kencausey | :) |
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| 20:44.17 | xoz | qball what's your outlook |
| 20:44.23 | xoz | !qball what's your outlook |
| 20:44.23 | PrivateAlpha | xoz: I should probably learn howto do snapshots then? :P |
| 20:44.23 | dpkg | the outlook is good |
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| 20:44.57 | PrivateAlpha | hmm i should also install chess again :D |
| 20:44.57 | xoz | PrivateAlpha: you can run sid inside your stable debian using virtualization and play with it :) |
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| 20:45.25 | twobitsprite | !abuse dpkg |
| 20:45.25 | dpkg | smacks dpkg across the face. |
| 20:45.34 | PrivateAlpha | xoz: You are speaking greek to me! but thanks will look into that |
| 20:45.44 | PrivateAlpha | !abuse me |
| 20:45.44 | dpkg | smacks privatealpha across the face. "Take that, you bastard!" |
| 20:45.49 | PrivateAlpha | :D |
| 20:46.12 | xoz | kencausey should file a bug report perhaps.. |
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| 20:47.48 | Jarvis | !abuse dpkg |
| 20:47.48 | dpkg | smacks dpkg across the face. "Take that, bitch!" |
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| 20:48.07 | Jarvis | so the bot can abuse itself? well i never.. |
| 20:48.22 | xoz | wrestles the bed... |
| 20:48.44 | PrivateAlpha | I bet the bed wins |
| 20:49.14 | xoz | !zzz |
| 20:49.14 | dpkg | yawn... |
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| 20:49.22 | PrivateAlpha | !bed |
| 20:49.22 | dpkg | bed is, like, a thing programmers have never heard of, ask me about shower |
| 20:49.30 | PrivateAlpha | !shower |
| 20:49.30 | dpkg | from memory, shower is something that if done more than once a week, loses you serious hacker points. ask me about hygiene |
| 20:49.31 | babilen | Please stop playing with dpkg. Thanks. |
| 20:49.37 | PrivateAlpha | :< |
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| 20:52.03 | gnarface | hwhw |
| 20:52.05 | gnarface | i mean hehe |
| 20:52.11 | gnarface | bathes TWICE a week. |
| 20:52.17 | gnarface | is a princess |
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| 20:54.24 | Miesco | I found this in the binary: ¥Toast 4.1.2 HFS Optimize |
| 20:54.28 | Miesco | Does this mean the ISO is a HFS? |
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| 20:55.35 | babilen | Miesco: probably an iso created with roxio toast |
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| 20:57.19 | gnarface | a mac iso made with roxio toast? |
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| 20:57.35 | gnarface | or an iso made with roxio toast on a mac at least, i'd guess |
| 20:57.37 | babilen | yes |
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| 20:57.59 | babilen | (one or the other or something we haven't thought of yet) |
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| 20:59.34 | Miesco | babilen: Can I mount it on linux? |
| 20:59.46 | Miesco | I tried -t hfs no luck |
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| 21:02.25 | taylanub | with aptitude, how to find what package a file belongs to ? |
| 21:02.27 | gnarface | Miesco: you should be able to but you need some extra crap that's not installed by default. i forget the package names |
| 21:02.50 | babilen | Miesco: No idea -- try hfs+ / hfsplus |
| 21:03.00 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about hfsplus |
| 21:03.03 | Miesco | gnarface: I'll try the losetup? |
| 21:03.05 | gnarface | taylanub: i don't know if aptitude does that but you can use apt-file search [filename] |
| 21:03.16 | babilen | Miesco: But there ends my interest and knowledge |
| 21:03.18 | gnarface | taylanub: or if its installed locally you can just use dpkg -S [filename] |
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| 21:04.09 | gnarface | Miesco: try apt-cache search hfs |
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| 21:05.53 | Miesco | gnarface: okay |
| 21:05.53 | taylanub | gnarface: thanks |
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| 21:06.19 | babilen | Miesco: Where ist that file from? What do you expect it to contain? Does it work with hfsplus? |
| 21:07.30 | Miesco | babilen: Its Diablo II expansion |
| 21:07.37 | Miesco | babilen: From piratebay :) |
| 21:08.44 | babilen | *sigh* -- ok, forgive me If I purge that from my memory (but not from the (public) logs) -- no idea what data you have there. |
| 21:08.49 | taylanub | gotta love how D2 LOD works perfect on Wine. i can play it on my eeepc even |
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| 21:10.12 | Miesco | taylanub: I wish I didn't put wheezy on my eeepc, now I don't have wine |
| 21:10.36 | Miesco | taylanub: Does it work online with wine? |
| 21:11.27 | abrotman | thinks it's kind of sad that pretty much all wine is used for is gaming |
| 21:11.30 | abrotman | whines about wine |
| 21:12.57 | Miesco | abrotman: All windows is good for is gaming :P |
| 21:12.58 | taylanub | Miesco: LAN works i think. can't be sure though. no idea about battle.net |
| 21:13.09 | taylanub | haha, point |
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| 21:13.56 | abrotman | Miesco: tell that to businesses addicted to MS Office .. anyway .. |
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| 21:14.09 | micols | taylanub: I think it worked flawlessly 10 years ago too, on debian stable :D |
| 21:14.14 | micols | stable wine heh |
| 21:14.22 | micols | which is usually a few years old |
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| 21:16.30 | babilen | Miesco: Just pull it from sid |
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| 21:16.47 | Miesco | babilen: D2? |
| 21:16.57 | babilen | Miesco: no, wine |
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| 21:17.16 | babilen | !tell Miesco -about default release |
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| 21:17.49 | babilen | Miesco: Please also read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable for other tips of the trade |
| 21:17.50 | Miesco | babilen: Make sid my release? |
| 21:17.57 | babilen | Miesco: No, wheezy |
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| 21:18.10 | Miesco | babilen: Then what will that do? |
| 21:18.43 | babilen | Miesco: I suggest to set the default release to wheezy and pull wine from sid as you seem to dearly miss it |
| 21:19.23 | Miesco | babilen: Oh I see, is that dangerous? |
| 21:19.40 | Miesco | babilen: I heard your not suppost to do it like that |
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| 21:19.52 | Miesco | Instead your suppost to do the bbs |
| 21:20.25 | babilen | Miesco: Oh, my understanding was that you are running wheezy already, is that not the case? |
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| 21:23.05 | Miesco | babilen: no |
| 21:23.15 | Miesco | babilen: It IS the case |
| 21:24.15 | babilen | Miesco: Ok, in that case you can pull packages from sid. Please also read the wiki page I linked and be aware of the #debian-next channel on oftc |
| 21:24.41 | Miesco | babilen: You can pull any package from sid with wheezy? |
| 21:25.03 | babilen | Miesco: Well, if you pull all of them you wouldn't be running wheezy but sid ;) |
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| 21:25.32 | Miesco | babilen: Okay so it wont break my computer if I pull from sid when I have wheezy? |
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| 21:25.44 | babilen | Miesco: Packages typically migrate from sid to wheezy within 10 days unless a different priority is set or serious bugs are found. |
| 21:26.13 | babilen | Miesco: Running wheezy might break (some) functionality anyway once in a while. |
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| 21:26.22 | abrotman | not currently it won't, but as wheezy gets nearer to freeze, problems will come up |
| 21:26.58 | babilen | Miesco: yes, this advice applies *now* not, say, when wheezy is about to get frozen or is frozen. |
| 21:27.24 | Miesco | Yes |
| 21:27.39 | Miesco | I'll try that next time I open my netbook |
| 21:27.48 | Miesco | or when I wanna play diablo |
| 21:27.51 | Miesco | on it |
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| 21:28.44 | Miesco | Its weird, starcraft works better on Linux with wine then it does with Windows 7 even if you select it to windows xp compatibility |
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| 21:29.58 | Cain | Howto make grep display only one result (the first one) |
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| 21:30.43 | abrotman | Cain: man grep |
| 21:30.50 | abrotman | i know it's in there |
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| 21:31.32 | abrotman | Cain: keyword is probably 'limit' if i had to guess |
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| 21:32.20 | Cain | abrotman : --max-count from man i'll test it |
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| 21:33.18 | Cain | abrotman : it works ^^, thx for the 'obvious' hint :p |
| 21:34.04 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 21:35.21 | nutron | I run sid, I have no sound after a recent update/reboot. If I run /usr/sbin/alsa force-reload I get sound back. Is there a known bug against a certain package I can peruse. |
| 21:35.49 | nutron | Nothing in dmesg or /var/log/boot that looks out of the ordinary. |
| 21:36.24 | abrotman | is your system fully up to date? |
| 21:36.31 | raptor67682 | would have someone a working multimedia remote control for DEBIAN? A cheap and good one for lircd ? |
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| 21:36.53 | abrotman | raptor67682: did you check the lirc.org wiki ? |
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| 21:37.05 | abrotman | nutron: and is your dependency-based booting also workiing ? |
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| 21:38.30 | abrotman | guess he's not interested ... |
| 21:38.34 | raptor67682 | abrotman> yeap, but those are really old hardwares... and in store, you cannot find old stuffs only on ebay. So new hardware is recommended, and - well or those windows media control command remote |
| 21:38.53 | nutron | abrotman: Yes up to date. Unkown if dependency based boot is properly working. I know I enabled it a while back. |
| 21:39.13 | nutron | I am interested, but colemak makes me slow. :) |
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| 21:40.52 | nutron | abrotman: is there a method I can use to check the dependency based boot configuration? |
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| 21:41.02 | abrotman | nutron: what is your uname -r ? |
| 21:41.20 | nutron | abrotman: 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | nutron: when you installed that, it would have told you .. dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc |
| 21:41.57 | nutron | oh. |
| 21:42.13 | nutron | abrotman: I honestly don't recall that. |
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| 21:42.58 | nutron | just ran it. Looks like I'll have to retry a reboot. |
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| 21:43.29 | jacobw | I'm trying to upgrade my iwlwifi firmware, currently at iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode to iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode by dropping the new firmware in to /lib/firmware/ |
| 21:43.38 | jacobw | What I am doing wrong? |
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| 21:45.15 | delarge | hi there |
| 21:45.17 | babilen | jacobw: nothing -- why do you thing something is wrong? You can probably also install a newer package. |
| 21:45.34 | delarge | im trying to install the nvidia's drivers with a run file |
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| 21:45.53 | delarge | and the installer ask me for the kernel sources |
| 21:46.04 | delarge | but i dont found any kernel sources in the apt |
| 21:46.14 | babilen | delarge: That is not supported here, do you have a particular reason why you don't use the Debian packages? |
| 21:46.24 | babilen | !tell delarge -about nvidia dkms |
| 21:46.31 | aksn | is it already recommended to install 3.0 kernel in servers? |
| 21:46.40 | jacobw | babilen: the firmware isn't loading on boot |
| 21:46.53 | babilen | delarge: You can, however, use the command given in there to install the headers, but please note that the nvidia driver is supported in #nvidia |
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| 21:47.12 | jacobw | babilen: apt-get -t unstable firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 21:47.30 | delarge | ok, cheers :) |
| 21:47.31 | babilen | jacobw: Which device do you have? Is it loading when you load the module manually? |
| 21:47.38 | Kharec | lo |
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| 21:47.54 | nutron | abrotman: nope that didn't fix it :/ |
| 21:47.56 | babilen | jacobw: lspci -nn|grep -i network |
| 21:48.10 | abrotman | nutron: have you checked the BTS? |
| 21:48.31 | abrotman | nutron: are there errors when the system boots normally or anything in the logs? |
| 21:48.32 | babilen | jacobw: Which Debian release do you use? Do you have unstable in your sources.list and set the default release or pinned? |
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| 21:48.51 | nutron | abrotman: no I honestly haven't because I'm unclear as to what package may be causing the failure. |
| 21:48.55 | babilen | jacobw: Why do you think that you need newer firmware? |
| 21:49.03 | abrotman | nutron: maybe an alsa package? :) |
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| 21:49.51 | babilen | delarge: I would recommend the dkms packages though as the nvidia driver and in particular their installation routine is far from optimal. (see /msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks ) |
| 21:49.59 | nutron | abrotman: nothing that I can see out of the ordinary. |
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| 21:50.19 | abrotman | nutron: a init script usually leaves an error if it fails ... |
| 21:50.22 | nutron | abrotman: heh, indeed alsa-somethingorother. |
| 21:50.27 | babilen | delarge: Those also take care of recompiling the module if you install a different kernel package. |
| 21:51.11 | nutron | nothing in /var/log/boot or dmesg that's not normally there. I'll go poke around the bts |
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| 21:51.54 | jacobw | babilen: the device periodically stops working |
| 21:52.11 | jacobw | babilen: i'm using squeeze |
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| 21:52.50 | jacobw | babilen: wifi link 5100 |
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| 21:53.20 | babilen | jacobw: can you give me the pciid and answer the rest of my questions? |
| 21:53.36 | jacobw | babilen: how do i load the firmware manually? |
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| 21:54.00 | jacobw | babilen: i haven't got unstable in my sources.list |
| 21:54.24 | babilen | jacobw: Ok -- which device is it? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 21:54.49 | jacobw | babilen: wifi link 5100 |
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| 21:56.17 | babilen | jacobw: Ok, that is not exactly the output but it'll do. Run "modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn ; dmesg | tail -23" and show me the output on http://paste.debian.net |
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| 22:00.12 | jacobw | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/125961/ |
| 22:00.26 | nutron | yeah.... the bts is riddled with complaints on alsa-base. No real useful info so far from the package maintainer(s)... so odd... |
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| 22:02.49 | babilen | jacobw: thanks |
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| 22:04.01 | babilen | jacobw: looks ok -- so you are saying that the connection drops randomly? |
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| 22:05.16 | negge | so, after finally getting a new harddrive I still managed to screw up my array while re-syncing it. Now I get "mdadm: /dev/md4 assembled from 2 drives and 2 spares - not enough to start the array" when trying to assemble my RAID10. Any advice on what I could do? |
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| 22:06.28 | nsadmin | ok, my turn. I'm trying to build the broadcom driver and m-a fails to build somethign... I want to pastebin the build log but m-a stuck it in a scrollable dialig |
| 22:07.11 | jacobw | babilen: yes, using the wifi kill switch to cycle off/on seems to solve the issue for a few minutes, so i'm guessing that its a problem with the device firmware |
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| 22:08.14 | jacobw | babilen: i've tested that it isn't a network problem |
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| 22:08.37 | delarge | babilen: i installed debian squeeze a few minutes ago without errors but when starts(after the grub) the screen appear like 'disconnect' |
| 22:08.48 | delarge | so i think is the nvidia card |
| 22:08.58 | delarge | but i dont install X |
| 22:09.01 | delarge | is just a server |
| 22:09.13 | delarge | anyway i have to install the nvidia's drivers ? |
| 22:10.09 | delarge | (i dont have xorg.conf ) |
| 22:10.10 | nsadmin | delarge, what happens when you hit a key |
| 22:10.16 | gnarface | nsadmin: can you ctrl-k in the dialog, ctrl-c to kill it (or wait) and then ctrl-y to paste it into a file or onto the command line to echo it into the file or something? |
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| 22:10.41 | nsadmin | I can try that |
| 22:10.53 | delarge | nsadmin: i dont know because i cant' see the screen |
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| 22:11.30 | nsadmin | because the screen is out of your physical view? |
| 22:11.30 | babilen | jacobw: sorry, afk (do not ignore you) |
| 22:12.10 | gnarface | nsadmin: for multiple lines you might be able to ctrl-spacebar, arrow key down a few times, then ctrl-w to copy between the points. this is all assuming you have bash(and gtk?) set up to accept emacs ctrl keys |
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| 22:13.19 | gnarface | nsadmin: but can't you override the dialogue? i don't use m-a a lot but it seems weird that it wouldn't have a way to override the ncurses crap with a linear text output for better automation |
| 22:13.20 | nsadmin | gnarface: is there a way to invoke m-a's build and tell it to not use dialogs? |
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| 22:13.40 | nsadmin | yeah, that would be easiest, that's why/what I'm asking |
| 22:13.42 | gnarface | nsadmin: heh. we're thinking the same thing. sorry i don't know. i know you can with dpkg |
| 22:13.59 | nsadmin | dpkg, you're with me! |
| 22:14.00 | dpkg | wish i knew, nsadmin |
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| 22:16.56 | Sgt_Lemming | work time, later all |
| 22:17.56 | nsadmin | while we're thinking about this, I'm using focus-follows-mouse in kde under squeeze and I'm noticing the mouse stuttering (freezing for under a sec, about 3 times) every time I move the mouse from one window to another. anyone else notice this behavior? |
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| 22:19.37 | gnarface | still uses e16 because he got tired of "noticing behavior" in his window manager |
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| 22:22.30 | nsadmin | gnarface, m-a has -t |
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| 22:24.54 | gnarface | nsadmin: good to know. that drops back to plain text output (no ncurses) ? |
| 22:25.15 | gnarface | oh neat so it does |
| 22:25.34 | gnarface | nsadmin: does that get the build log out so you can pastebin it? |
| 22:26.01 | nsadmin | no ncurses, right. no dialogs, plain text |
| 22:26.10 | nsadmin | yes, moment... |
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| 22:26.56 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/JMXNTwzX |
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| 22:28.45 | nsadmin | it's claiming a particular struct doesn't have certain members... package not buildale under amd64 maybe? |
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| 22:30.06 | nsadmin | or, kernel us not configured for those members to be in the struct? |
| 22:30.20 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: are you perhaps trying to build a Squeeze wl against a backports kernel? |
| 22:30.55 | nsadmin | oh, could very wel be... my uname is... |
| 22:30.58 | gnarface | nsadmin: yea kinda looks like a version mismatch in the required libraries somewhere |
| 22:31.06 | twobitsprite | good night neverland |
| 22:31.16 | nsadmin | 2.6.38-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 22:31.17 | thewanderer1 | I'd try wl from Wheezy with a backports kernel |
| 22:31.43 | nsadmin | would I still build it? |
| 22:31.45 | thewanderer1 | or from backports if available |
| 22:32.14 | thewanderer1 | only the minor versions seems to have changed, that should be buildable |
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| 22:32.43 | nsadmin | so, it's wl-something-source I need from wheezy |
| 22:32.46 | dimitrios2008 | hi all |
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| 22:33.36 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: broadcom-sta-source |
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| 22:33.55 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: and the changelog in Wheezy says: Added patch to compile with 2.6.37. so presumably it also includes changes for 2.6.38 |
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| 22:34.25 | nsadmin | good point |
| 22:34.34 | nsadmin | I'll check all that out |
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| 22:35.10 | dimitrios2008 | I am looking for wiki software written in perl for a team of 5 people. I want to keep it simple, so save everything in text files and installable through aptitude. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:35.54 | nsadmin | so if I have a backports source and I'm not getting the broadcom source from backports, looks like I should try wheezy... would that be your guess too? |
| 22:36.23 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: can't think of anything personally, but mediawiki is good for small teams and written in php - which should be trivial to poke at for perl coders. |
| 22:37.21 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: the only thing i've ever had to change on it is the list of supported file types. (adding to it) |
| 22:37.45 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: do you have very complex extension requirements that need perl to be the engine for the wiki? |
| 22:38.40 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: if its not a PUBLIC wiki, (just a devel wiki for a team on a private network) mediawiki should be a good fit. |
| 22:39.29 | thewanderer1 | isn't MediaWiki in PHP? |
| 22:39.44 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: no not really. I prefer perl because.. ehmm,., I just starting learning perl and if I need to go into the code, it will be a change to practice. |
| 22:40.01 | dimitrios2008 | chance to practice I meant |
| 22:40.26 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: then what better practice but to write your own wiki! |
| 22:40.55 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: seriously i'd be shocked if there wasn't a perl wiki out there but i've not heard of it |
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| 22:41.17 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: I would love to but.... there is no time am afraid... |
| 22:41.40 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: did you try anything like this?: apt-cache search wiki.*perl |
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| 22:42.34 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: hehe like perhaps: kwiki - A Quickie Wiki that's not too Tricky |
| 22:42.50 | gnarface | sound about right? |
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| 22:42.55 | gnarface | looks like it runs on perl cause it requires it |
| 22:43.18 | gnarface | apt-get, apt-cache, apt-file < these are your best friends in debian |
| 22:44.18 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: there are quite a few. I tried searching in aptitude. yes. kwiki is an option, yes |
| 22:45.33 | poisonbit | if it's for a dev team, ikiwiki is backed by git/svn :) |
| 22:45.38 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: have you tried kwiki? |
| 22:46.28 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: no unfortunately i've ONLY tried mediawiki. and i can't claim that it never pissed me off, but my weakness is that i know php better than any other language |
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| 22:47.41 | poisonbit | you can auto-edit a python wiki using perl, I do not see the issue |
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| 22:47.58 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: i *did* successfully use it as a documentation repo for a php project i was leading with a dev team of 20 php coders and 10 flash actionscripters, though, fyi. |
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| 22:48.41 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: cirqua 2006-2008, so ymmv |
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| 22:49.09 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: how come php then? |
| 22:49.30 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: very popular in this town because that's where most the cheap talent is |
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| 22:50.45 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: what town is this? |
| 22:50.59 | bmoloney | I am exporting some guest shares with both NFS and Samba. Samba is using ldap for the backend and it requires that the guest user exist in the ldap database. However using that same user as the NFS "nobody" user causes problems as the NFS service starts before the LDAP data is available. Any suggestions? |
| 22:51.02 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: los angeles |
| 22:52.25 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: and what language does the 'expensive' talent uses? Let me guess... C#.NET. :-) |
| 22:52.57 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: you know the entertainment industry very well it would seem |
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| 22:53.22 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: i don't claim to be anything less than ashamed by it, that's just where i played my hand |
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| 22:54.31 | gnarface | dimitrios2008: i dream of one day retiring so that i can write real software in C/C++ |
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| 22:55.13 | dimitrios2008 | dimitrios2008: Nah.. I don 't know the entertainment industry. But I guess all industries are the same.... money making machines. |
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| 22:55.57 | dimitrios2008 | gnarface: my current retirement dream involves perl.. hehe |
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| 22:59.19 | bmoloney | is it possible to have a local user with the same name and uid as an ldap user? would that cause issues? |
| 22:59.39 | daemonkeeper | No and yes. |
| 23:00.02 | dimitrios2008 | granface: am working in an environment full of all things Windows... but am not giving up. That's why am looking for wiki software written in perl and running on debian. |
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| 23:00.56 | xci | long time no debianing, and what has happened to /boot/grub/menu.lst?! |
| 23:01.04 | bmoloney | is there a way to make ldap users visible before NFS starts up? |
| 23:01.16 | daemonkeeper | xci: grub2 happened. |
| 23:01.19 | xci | (I just did apt-get upgrade and cannot boot back to windows anymore :D) |
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| 23:02.00 | xci | daemonkeeper: okay, what's the preferred way to configure that back nowadays then? any good reading on that? |
| 23:02.21 | streuner | xci: try update-grub and make sure os-prober is installed |
| 23:02.31 | daemonkeeper | The configuration file is /boot/grub/grub.cfg. But that's not supposed to be touched, use /etc/default/grub |
| 23:03.05 | xci | streuner: ty, I'll try that |
| 23:03.21 | xci | streuner: actually seemed to do the trick, off I go booting -> |
| 23:03.45 | streuner | good luck |
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| 23:05.12 | xci | streuner: worked like a charm, thanks dude |
| 23:05.38 | deekay | hello, is there a place where I could prospose enabling an addictional module for debian kernel? (mouse driver added to 2.6.39) |
| 23:08.02 | bmoloney | or does anyone know which service needs to be started for LDAP users to be visible? It looks like nscd should start before nfs-common, but nfs-common always complains that it can find the assigned nobody user (from the ldap database) |
| 23:08.32 | nsadmin | deekay, crosspost? propose? a mouse module, specific hardware? |
| 23:09.12 | nsadmin | if it's in the kernel, maybe you can just build the module from its source |
| 23:09.47 | nsadmin | then arrange for it to get inserted sometime after the kernel and initrd have already done their thing |
| 23:10.42 | deekay | nsadmin: err.. typo - propose, as suggest, it is in the kernel, from version mentioned above. Just from what I can see, it is not compiled in 2.6.39 included in debian repositories. |
| 23:11.29 | deekay | I did try compiling it, but module fails to load, and I don't have too much time lately to investiagate it (learn what I'm doing wrong) |
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| 23:16.22 | nsadmin | deekay, a log of the build ought to tell someone what's going on |
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| 23:17.37 | kingsley_ | needs to go, but will be back. |
| 23:17.47 | nsadmin | gnarface, it built! and btw, |
| 23:18.01 | nsadmin | patpats his sources.list.m4 once again... |
| 23:18.21 | deekay | nsadmin: Ok, than I'll try once again, and if I fail - I'll ask here |
| 23:18.24 | deekay | thanks |
| 23:18.38 | deekay | And for now - good night :) |
| 23:19.15 | nsadmin | deekay, you might find the package and executable pastebinit to be useful for communicating larger amounts of text |
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| 23:19.57 | nsadmin | missed it by ------->|<------- that much... |
| 23:23.53 | gnarface | nsadmin: hoooraaay! what fixed it? |
| 23:25.34 | bmoloney | Not sure if it is related to my NFS/ldap issues, but the dash and bash shells also have different ideas of what my permissions are on the NFS mounts. |
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