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| 00:43.58 | potatoe | I had a look through the logs for Asterisk/Debian/Squeeze, it would seem that the issue https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=17255 on asterisk's tracker has not been added to debian's squeeze's package. How can I suggest that it be included? Does Debian have a related ticket ? |
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| 00:52.39 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 00:54.32 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I'm using debian (testing) and I have some dudes about ettercap, it says that there is a conflict between ettercap and ettercap-gtk, does anyone know if ettercap-gtk has a command line option? or is it only gtk-x? |
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| 01:02.36 | DeM0nFiRe | Hey guys, my battery's not being detected, how should I go about figuring out why |
| 01:02.59 | DeM0nFiRe | dmsg | grep battery reveals that it knows there should be a batter, but says that it is asbent |
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| 01:15.10 | khaleel5000 | hi i have flash nofree plugin installed, youtube runs fine, but on facebook when i play any video it says flash player not installed (when i follow link to youtube it works) . OS: debian sid, player version Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124 , browsers (firefox, iceweasel, opera) |
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| 01:15.47 | Resilience | khaleel5000, reinstyall the package and it will download the new plug-in |
| 01:16.44 | khaleel5000 | Resilience: ok, thanks |
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| 01:22.59 | Amarande | heh, that reminds me |
| 01:23.09 | Amarande | have they yet made the Flash plugin not be full of absolute fail? |
| 01:23.13 | intruder | you can also run update-flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:23.34 | Amarande | last time I tried to use the adobe flash plugin under Linux, it made the browser, whenever a flash object was open in any tab, about as stable as beryllium-8 |
| 01:23.35 | intruder | yea it kinda works on x64 now |
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| 01:24.27 | Amarande | like ... if I had ANY tab with flash open, if I went off to IRC or some other program for a while ... when I looked for my browser again it would be gone, having dumped core at some random point without my noticing |
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| 01:25.07 | intruder | still happens sometimes.. |
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| 01:27.06 | intruder | but it's still an horrible resource hog, it's the only thing I use that throttle the cpus that much |
| 01:27.06 | cutchyacokov | I'm helping a friend out with squeeze and he says by default neither sudo nor su is working for him, that can't be default functionality, can it? |
| 01:27.47 | intruder | cutchyacokov: no, if you don't set a root password it set ups the user as a sudoer and thats it |
| 01:28.08 | cutchyacokov | ah, thanks |
| 01:28.31 | intruder | he mispelled :P |
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| 01:32.39 | simonlnu | cutchyacokov, intruder: uh, that's ubuntu, not debian. if you don't set root password, it's disabled and you need to set one. sudo isn't installed by default. |
| 01:33.13 | intruder | simonlnu: squeeze does it |
| 01:33.29 | Ima_Goodlady | debian 6.0.2, 2 partitions: 50GB NTFS (XP) and the other is debian. I want to make my documents, music, pictures and videos in my home folder link to the same ones i use for windows |
| 01:33.34 | intruder | if you leave the root password blank it installs sudo and sets up the user |
| 01:33.46 | Ima_Goodlady | i have already set up auto-mounting the windows partition and enabled NTFS3-G |
| 01:35.45 | Juest | Ima_Goodlady: link it, delete physical folders from ~ and put links to your win |
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| 01:37.45 | Juest | simonlnu, intruder,sudo is installed by default in ubuntu, also, passwd usage |
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| 01:38.39 | simonlnu | i just said that... |
| 01:38.58 | Ima_Goodlady | ah okay thanks |
| 01:38.59 | Juest | ah.... |
| 01:39.14 | intruder | you're also wrong |
| 01:39.15 | Juest | Ima_Goodlady: yep, just try, then tell me |
| 01:39.22 | Juest | why intruder? |
| 01:39.27 | intruder | sorry misread |
| 01:39.32 | Juest | ah xD |
| 01:40.09 | Juest | and by default root pw is Always blank.... |
| 01:40.53 | intruder | that's ubuntu |
| 01:42.26 | Ima_Goodlady | Juest: works, thanks |
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| 01:44.21 | Juest | ya, links act as normal physical files / folders in linux, this thing is exacly the same way as in windows vista/7 there's some folders that just have access denied and it's someway a phyisical shortcut to a folder |
| 01:44.38 | Juest | because windows uses .lnk files for normal linking |
| 01:44.51 | Juest | and .url for web links |
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| 01:49.35 | Ima_Goodlady | mhm |
| 01:49.59 | Juest | .... |
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| 01:54.25 | patterson | http://code.google.com/chrome/nativeclient/ |
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| 02:34.57 | Chris___ | I've got an IP tables issue; I can't get iptables to redirect port 80 to port 9090, despite it appearing to be working in the rules: http://pastie.org/2368610 |
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| 02:37.25 | Guest72641 | I upgraded Lucid Lynx to Natty Narwhal recently and was not impressed. Now Kubuntu is locking up on me. Is it possible for somebody wanting MP3/AVI/flash support to use Debian tolerably? |
| 02:37.29 | andantino | how do i get adobe flash, ive added backports to my sources but it is not working |
| 02:37.54 | centHOGG | linux is for servers |
| 02:38.36 | kuznetzvo | i used debian with flash/media support just fine |
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| 02:39.21 | mfearby | I know that Debian is more "pure" when it comes to binary naughtyness, but I'm prepared to tolerate (nay require) such evil for my day-to-day sanity |
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| 02:40.44 | kuznetzvo | java and flash work well in 64 bit now |
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| 02:40.53 | kuznetzvo | for a desktop i definitely recommend hitting the contrib and non-free repos |
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| 02:41.03 | andantino | how do i get flash? |
| 02:41.06 | mfearby | I just found out about debian-multimedia.org, too |
| 02:42.29 | mfearby | and as for the distro I should install... testing or stable? |
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| 02:42.55 | mfearby | I hear that testing can be quite stable these days, but that stable isn't likely to gather as much moss as in previous years before releases? Is that correct? |
| 02:43.50 | kuznetzvo | i would use stable if it works for you |
| 02:43.58 | kuznetzvo | only go to testing if you *need* to |
| 02:44.09 | kuznetzvo | stable works fine on my netbook |
| 02:44.14 | mfearby | I'm less of an upgrade slut than I used to be, and was quite content with Ubuntu 10.04 LTS for 16 months |
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| 02:44.53 | mfearby | which is which of Lenny and Squeeze? stable/testing? I need to learn the new lingo :-) |
| 02:45.05 | despoil | after installing gnome-desktop, what pacakge for end-user apps? |
| 02:45.11 | kuznetzvo | andantino, add contrib and non-free to your sources.list then apt-get update then apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree (iirc) |
| 02:45.13 | despoil | *package |
| 02:45.23 | kuznetzvo | squeeze is the new stable |
| 02:45.31 | mfearby | thanks kuznetzvo |
| 02:46.30 | kuznetzvo | my desktop is amd phenom II 6core 3.34ghz 16GB ram.. it runs windows 7 64bit like a champ but more and more i find myself pulled into linux =p |
| 02:47.07 | centHOGG | nice |
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| 02:48.20 | kuznetzvo | you installed gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 02:48.25 | mfearby | crikey! there are 50+ CDs... which one of them should I download (for KDE 64-bit)? |
| 02:48.38 | mfearby | debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso ? |
| 02:48.42 | kuznetzvo | 64 bit? unless you have an itanium look for amd64 architecture |
| 02:48.57 | kuznetzvo | see if there's like a KDE amd64 Netinst |
| 02:49.04 | kuznetzvo | i usually do that instead of wasting dvd's :) |
| 02:49.16 | mfearby | there sure is. will it let me choose my local ISP's mirror during install? |
| 02:49.27 | mfearby | debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso 176MB |
| 02:49.28 | kuznetzvo | i think you can change it if you like, yes |
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| 02:49.40 | mfearby | that'll save eating up my monthly quota. |
| 02:49.57 | mfearby | I just downloaded openSUSE 11.4 but I think I'll go back up the chain and just use Debian |
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| 02:50.04 | kuznetzvo | gnome is default though but once you get core system loaded you can always pull it out and stick kde on it if you don't get the option during the install |
| 02:50.28 | kuznetzvo | i haven't memorized all the little steps in these processes like i did back when going for mcsa 2003 |
| 02:50.44 | mfearby | gnome seems to be doing a KDE 4.0 and totally botching everything, which is why I've been upgrading/switching this past week |
| 02:50.53 | kuznetzvo | mostly i'm here because answering questions is a good way for me to learn :) |
| 02:51.21 | mfearby | kuznetzvo: and to help lazy people like me, which is MUCH appreciated, thank you :-) |
| 02:51.23 | kuznetzvo | i honestly haven't messed with kde since like 2006 |
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| 02:51.37 | kuznetzvo | i remember getting bored and installing AMOR on everyone's workstation |
| 02:51.42 | kuznetzvo | they thought it was linux malware at first lol |
| 02:52.11 | mfearby | I used Mandrake in 2008 then openSUSE but finally made the switch to Ubuntu 2 years ago and have been thoroughly happy, but since Shuttleworth has been ruining it (and others) I wanted to switch to KDE since it's settled down after the 4.0 calamity |
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| 02:52.52 | centHOGG | KDE... wait for it |
| 02:52.57 | centHOGG | BWAHAHHHHAAAAAHAAA |
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| 02:53.10 | mfearby | and since kubuntu has locked up on my at least half a dozen times in the past 24 hours, I think a return to debian might be in order... you guys are renowned for stability :-) |
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| 02:53.47 | mfearby | I actually grew to like plain old unadulterated gnome for the past two years but it's know being utterly ruined with 3.0 and Unity and Ubuntu |
| 02:54.45 | Amarande | ahh, did GNOME management get taken over by Ubuntu's maintainers, or such? |
| 02:55.14 | mfearby | well, no, but with gnome 3.0 I can see they're wrecking all about 2.x gnome that I love |
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| 02:55.54 | mfearby | and 2.x gnome isn't going to be maintained forever, so if I don't switch to 3.0 or Unity, then KDE is all I have (I recard xfce is far too minimalist for my liking) |
| 02:56.13 | centHOGG | google |
| 02:56.24 | kuznetzvo | everything gets stable eventually, but people also eventually get bored |
| 02:56.57 | mfearby | it's that boredom that p**ses me off. why fix what ain't broken? I don't want an interface appropriate for a small netbook on my desktop, damnit |
| 02:57.27 | centHOGG | mobile = $$$$ |
| 02:57.43 | mfearby | but mobile != desktop PC with 24" monitor |
| 02:58.23 | centHOGG | true |
| 02:58.37 | jpinx_away | in a wheelbarrow? |
| 02:58.43 | mfearby | thankfully the loonies don't seem to have taken over KDE... yet |
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| 02:59.29 | kuznetzvo | fuck me. it's already saturday |
| 02:59.32 | kuznetzvo | i thought it was friday |
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| 02:59.42 | DeM0nFiRe | FRIDAY FRIDAY sorry |
| 02:59.54 | mfearby | thanks for the help all. bye |
| 03:00.24 | adrian15 | Do you know any guide on how to configure the network on a netinstall from the command line? Which commands to use? Thank you. |
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| 03:00.42 | karlpinc | !interfaces |
| 03:00.42 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 03:02.08 | centHOGG | adrian15: what's the hangup |
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| 03:04.04 | adrian15 | centHOGG: I need to setup a network like this: http://paste.debian.net/126128/ but ifup and ifdown are commands not found in the netinstall. And I have always wondered how to do setup network from command line in a netinstall. |
| 03:05.03 | centHOGG | adrian15: well ok, when you are doing a netinstall you need to verify that your nic is able to pick up your router from the get-go |
| 03:05.13 | centHOGG | test it with a livecd |
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| 03:06.20 | kuznetzvo | wut happened to good ol' ifconfig and route |
| 03:07.04 | adrian15 | kuznetzvo: I suppose that internally debian-installer use other commands or libraries for this task. |
| 03:07.09 | simonlnu | deprecated, despite them still being used in ifupdown |
| 03:07.42 | kuznetzvo | ahhh i've been outta the linux scene too long :) |
| 03:07.51 | simonlnu | you can do ifup -av if you want to see it in action.. |
| 03:08.03 | simonlnu | ifupdown is debian-specific |
| 03:08.26 | larks | question, I've looked around and can't find a sure thing answer. What I want to do is have two repos(debian multidemia and norma debian) and have two releases (testing and stables) in my source list. In /etc/apt/preferences, would I have a set of rules for the differing site and then anotehr set of rules for the releases or would the rules need to be combined? |
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| 03:12.20 | DeM0nFiRe | Well maybe tomorrow I will just compile the darn kernel |
| 03:13.47 | karlpinc | larks: Mixing releases is a recepie for trouble. |
| 03:13.54 | karlpinc | !tell DeM0nFiRe about make-kpkg |
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| 03:16.22 | simonlnu | recipe |
| 03:16.34 | karlpinc | larks: There are better ways. |
| 03:16.36 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 03:16.37 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <squeeze-updates>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>, <introduction>. |
| 03:16.41 | DeM0nFiRe | karlpinc: hmm interesting |
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| 03:17.00 | karlpinc | DeM0nFiRe: Read the readme.debian (IIRC) |
| 03:17.06 | karlpinc | !tell DeM0nFiRe about readme.debian |
| 03:17.16 | karlpinc | DeM0nFiRe: Or maybe it's all in the man page. |
| 03:17.20 | DeM0nFiRe | So how exactly will that work, though? I compile my kernel, and then when I start my kernel, does it stop the original or what? |
| 03:18.00 | kuznetzvo | gonna go sit on the toilet and smoke a cigar. back in a little while. |
| 03:18.01 | karlpinc | DeM0nFiRe: It works just like having both a 486 and 686 kernel installed. It installs and is put into the boot menu. You get the men on boot..... |
| 03:18.22 | karlpinc | s/men/menu |
| 03:18.24 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh ok and then from GRUB I will pick which kernel it should use, gotcha |
| 03:19.09 | karlpinc | DeM0nFiRe: Always good to start with the .config file of your current kernel. (see /boot/) |
| 03:19.48 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah, I am not looking at it right now because I know I am not going to compile it tonight, but yeah I need to figure out what I have to do to get it to recognize my battery |
| 03:20.37 | karlpinc | DeM0nFiRe: Dunno. The debian wiki might help. ? |
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| 03:21.14 | DeM0nFiRe | Well, hopefully I can find it. patches exist for some kernels, but I have to find out if I am going to have to modify a patch file for my kernel |
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| 03:22.30 | magn3ts | How much does aptosid lag behind ubuntu packages in terms of versions, would you guess? |
| 03:22.32 | magn3ts | much at all? |
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| 03:27.15 | larks | hhhmmmm |
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| 03:28.04 | craigevil | aptosid just uses the normal debian sid repos, plus its own repos for custom kernel, artwork etc |
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| 03:30.29 | magn3ts | craigevil, then what's the point |
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| 03:30.34 | magn3ts | sorry if thats a dumb question :/ |
| 03:31.13 | craigevil | truly there isnt one, only nice thing about it is it takes roughly 5 minutes to install |
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| 03:32.00 | craigevil | what i usually do> install aptosid>install debian kernel>reboot>remove aptosid cruft, 10 minutes tops and i have a working debian sid install |
| 03:32.45 | magn3ts | craigevil, vs a regular sid install that takes longer I suppose? |
| 03:32.54 | craigevil | right |
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| 03:39.53 | unforgiven512 | Can someone recommend a domain registrar for me? |
| 03:40.21 | magn3ts | yeah, gimme a sec to remember what it's called unforgiven512 |
| 03:40.33 | magn3ts | unforgiven512, http://en.gandi.net/ |
| 03:40.50 | magn3ts | I've heard great things, actually have a reasonable TOS, respect their customers. |
| 03:40.58 | magn3ts | I'm moving my domains there soon |
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| 03:42.16 | vyadhaka | how to install firmware? downloaded the dvb-usb-af9015.fw, not sure what I need to do. Do I just copy it to the /lib/firmware/? |
| 03:42.52 | wols_ | vyadhaka: copy it to /lib/firmware. you sure this firmware isn't available as a .deb package? |
| 03:44.16 | unforgiven512 | Thanks |
| 03:44.19 | vyadhaka | wols_: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DigitalNow_TinyTwin_DVB-T_Receiver, I am just following this link, it says V2 firmware is in kernel since 2.6.34, I am using 2.6.32 |
| 03:45.02 | Alam_Squeeze | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534379 <- no complete license and distribution terms, no include? |
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| 03:45.08 | wols_ | vyadhaka: debian doesn't have firmwares in kernel, at least not proprietary ones. and what is in kernel is usually the driver |
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| 03:45.16 | alesan | hi, is there any need to have exim, at, cron running? |
| 03:45.17 | wols_ | !tell vyadhaka about backports |
| 03:45.21 | alesan | can I disinstall them? |
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| 03:45.35 | wols_ | so install a backports kernel so that you get support for your hardware |
| 03:45.38 | eflynn | Does Debian not have Firefox or am i missing something...? |
| 03:45.59 | wols_ | !tell eflynn about iceweasel |
| 03:46.17 | wols_ | eflynn: debian cannot have firefox since mozilla.org forbade distributing it |
| 03:46.34 | wols_ | or rather: "you can't distribute it under the DFSG if you call it firefox" |
| 03:46.42 | drags | eflynn: the firefox logo and fonts are not free-license |
| 03:46.55 | vyadhaka | wols_: I have been trying to understand how to install firmware, form what I understand some are part of *.deb package and some are .bin and this one is .fw, it's a bit confusing for some one new |
| 03:47.01 | drags | so they are replaced by community graphics and packaged as iceweasel |
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| 03:47.35 | wols_ | vyadhaka: the file extension of the firmware is irrelevant. and .deb are .deb packages which can contain, among other things, firmware. different thing a .deb file |
| 03:49.05 | vyadhaka | wols_: if I enable backports, wont I prompted to install newer kernels? I would like to avoid this, previously I had a trouble with nvidia driver when ever kernel upgraded |
| 03:49.07 | eflynn | drags: that is so idiotic and stupid, I don't know where to begin |
| 03:49.59 | wols_ | vyadhaka: if your hardwaer is only supported from 2.6.34 onwards you have no choice if you want support. and /msg dpkg nvidia dkms works always |
| 03:50.20 | wols_ | and you don't get prompted for backports. installing them, you always have to do explicitly. no automatism at all |
| 03:50.43 | rypervenche | vyadhaka: nvidia dkms is very easy and always works. |
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| 03:51.13 | alesan | so is it safe to remove cron from debian? |
| 03:51.18 | wols_ | vyadhaka: as long has you have the kernel headers installed for your kernel |
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| 03:51.41 | Amarande | also, keep an eye on exactly *why* the kernel is upgraded. I *think* you really only need to worry about upgrading kernel if a) you actually need the upgrade for hardware you use, or b) the upgrade is of a security nature :S |
| 03:51.42 | wols_ | alesan: "safe" is relative. why would you want to do this anyway? |
| 03:51.45 | boudiccas | alesan; you can remove cron if you want to, its your choice |
| 03:52.03 | Amarande | if it's a non-security upgrade that only adds hardware you don't use, there's no point |
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| 03:52.19 | wols_ | ,info cron |
| 03:52.21 | judd | Package cron (admin, important) in squeeze/i386: process scheduling daemon. Version: 3.0pl1-116; Size: 91.0k; Installed: 336k; Homepage: http://ftp.isc.org/isc/cron/ |
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| 03:52.42 | alesan | wols_, this is an *embedded* installaton and every byte I save is important. Also, I have noticed cron takes up to 100% CPU at times. |
| 03:53.06 | wols_ | alesan: sure. if you never run a cronjob, your choice |
| 03:53.10 | alesan | can you check squeeze/armel? |
| 03:53.31 | wols_ | it's the same everywhere |
| 03:53.56 | wols_ | alesan: /msg judd info cron --arch armel |
| 03:54.06 | alesan | /msg judd info cron --arch armel |
| 03:54.23 | alesan | thanks |
| 03:54.40 | alesan | it's not a problem |
| 03:54.47 | alesan | I just typed an extra / at the beginning |
| 03:56.13 | magn3ts | unforgiven512, actually it looks like there's even free whois |
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| 03:59.22 | vyadhaka | wols_: so backports include newer kernels form testing and unstable, is it secure to this? |
| 03:59.50 | wols_ | vyadhaka: why don't you read what you've been told by dpkg? |
| 04:03.09 | vyadhaka | wols_: I did read, reading about backport caveat prompted me to ask the question |
| 04:04.05 | wols_ | vyadhaka: simply calling something "secure" is non-sensical. you should know that |
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| 04:15.14 | kingsley_ | If you've been using the new nVidia driver in the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau package, please tell me how you like it. |
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| 04:18.44 | alesan | E: I wasn't able to locate file for the libxklavier16 package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 04:18.50 | alesan | Any hitn how to fix this? |
| 04:19.02 | wols_ | !tell alesan about search |
| 04:19.20 | alesan | ? |
| 04:19.26 | alesan | I was trying to install twm |
| 04:19.49 | nevyn | alesan: using 100% cpu is how things should run. |
| 04:19.54 | alesan | this is error message does not depend on what I am trying to install or uninstall |
| 04:20.00 | nevyn | use it then go back to sleeping |
| 04:20.21 | wols_ | alesan: of course it does |
| 04:20.42 | alesan | wols_, I get the same error message if I try to install twm or uninstall cron |
| 04:20.50 | alesan | let me try another package |
| 04:21.13 | jsoft | I want to set up a few windows VM's. Whats the most reccomended vm software ? |
| 04:21.22 | nevyn | jsoft: depends what they're for. |
| 04:21.29 | wols_ | alesan: yes. cause your apt DB is not in a undefined state |
| 04:21.41 | jsoft | nevyn: not for production, just testing/development |
| 04:21.44 | wols_ | !tell jsoft about best |
| 04:21.59 | jsoft | slaps wols_ |
| 04:22.00 | alesan | wols_, ok, do you have any recommendation to put it in an undefined state? |
| 04:22.05 | nevyn | jsoft: if for desktop VDI style stuff.. maybe virtualbox if for server consolidation then kvm or xen or vmware if you don't hate the proprietary |
| 04:22.22 | wols_ | starts to ignore jsoft |
| 04:22.26 | jsoft | shrugs |
| 04:22.55 | jsoft | nevyn: hmmm. |
| 04:23.01 | kuznetzvo | i think th ebest one i've seen so far is !gentoo-smite :) |
| 04:23.59 | wols_ | alesan: sorry, "defined" state. or rather: conflict free |
| 04:24.25 | khaleel5000 | hi, on debian sid, how do i restart kdm? i forgot the command you type in kdm |
| 04:24.27 | DeM0nFiRe | Ok, so how can I configure this so that when I tap the touchpad mouse, it registers as a mouse click? |
| 04:24.28 | alesan | yes, but at the end, what should I do? :( |
| 04:24.35 | khaleel5000 | you type in terminal* |
| 04:24.39 | wols_ | !tell alesan about bat |
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| 04:24.44 | DeM0nFiRe | xfce4 |
| 04:26.36 | zykotick9 | What does bat stand for? It's not in the factoid, that I can see. |
| 04:27.07 | alesan | wols_, http://pastebin.com/Vv6xv2vH |
| 04:27.38 | jmarsden | zykotick9: Basic Apt Troubleshooting ? |
| 04:27.50 | alesan | wols_, for the "apt-cache policy" part, which package should I specify? |
| 04:27.57 | zykotick9 | jmarsden, thanks |
| 04:28.06 | alesan | the ones I intend to install/remove, or the one that is generating the error? |
| 04:28.40 | nevyn | !funroll-loops |
| 04:28.40 | dpkg | -funroll-loops is a favorite compile time flag of the -O9999999 crowd. It's also an interesting collection of observations about the "compile everything with random CFLAGS" phenomenon which is sweeping the land, and which <Gentoo> is a prime example. See http://www.funroll-loops.info/ |
| 04:28.50 | nevyn | kuznetzvo: ^^^ |
| 04:29.25 | SoloGaijin | how come I have to type /sbin/ifconfig and not ifconfig alone? |
| 04:29.55 | alesan | wols_, http://pastebin.com/QsmF46s5 |
| 04:30.06 | th0r | SoloGaijin: /sbin is only in the path for root |
| 04:30.20 | SoloGaijin | ah |
| 04:30.43 | SoloGaijin | I noticed I cant run commands aka: sudo <command>, I have to do su - and become root user, there a way around that? |
| 04:30.50 | SoloGaijin | I know running as root user is generally never needed |
| 04:30.54 | vyadhaka | what desktop email clients accept Yahoo accounts apart from zimbra? |
| 04:31.46 | th0r | SoloGaijin: actually, I prefer su - to sudo, but I am old school. the '-' gives the su the same environment as root, that is why ifconfig (et.al.) works without /sbin |
| 04:32.02 | wols_ | alesan: you managed to put not only just parts of the info requested in your paste, you also put the totally unecessary info in there |
| 04:32.19 | alesan | wols_, I can remove them |
| 04:32.31 | wols_ | SoloGaijin: it is. sudo runs as root user your commands too. it's a choice you make. any one is fine |
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| 04:33.16 | alesan | wols_, http://pastebin.com/SPTS1QvG |
| 04:33.23 | alesan | this is the last part |
| 04:33.47 | wols_ | alesan: aptitude why libxklavier16 |
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| 04:35.11 | alesan | wols_, http://pastebin.com/anBRchsB |
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| 04:36.51 | wols_ | alesan: apt-cache policy libxklavier16 |
| 04:37.42 | wols_ | cause libxklavier16 is clearly available: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/armel/libxklavier16/download |
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| 04:37.45 | alesan | I already provided that in http://pastebin.com/QsmF46s5 |
| 04:38.07 | wols_ | alesan: install it then |
| 04:38.09 | SoloGaijin | th0r: you mean you do su - and change to root user to run commands that need root? |
| 04:38.14 | SoloGaijin | theres no way to run them as a regular user? |
| 04:38.18 | wols_ | if you can't use apt to install it due to the errors, use dpkg |
| 04:38.25 | th0r | SoloGaijin: yes I do |
| 04:38.50 | wols_ | SoloGaijin: sudo <command>. but the command itself of course still runs as root. has to, or it usually couldn't work like it's supposed to |
| 04:38.57 | th0r | SoloGaijin: they can be run as a regular user if that user is in the sudoers file, which I am, but I find su easier |
| 04:39.11 | dql | q |
| 04:39.12 | SoloGaijin | oh right on - forgot about the sudoers file |
| 04:39.33 | wols_ | !tell SoloGaijin about sudoers |
| 04:40.16 | SoloGaijin | why "minimally" secure? |
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| 04:47.38 | kuznetzvo | nevyn: that was an awesome read. |
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| 04:53.37 | larks | well, I think I fixed my problem with x freezing up, had to create a dummy package for libvdpau1 and let the nvidia installer install it's own version |
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| 04:55.29 | larks | I guess not... |
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| 04:56.26 | larks | everything was working fine, then I installed mplayer, then reinstalled the nvidia drivers |
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| 04:56.43 | larks | now xserver will flash and then freeze |
| 04:57.23 | larks | it pegs out the CPU core |
| 04:58.10 | larks | can't find anything in .xsession-errors or the Xorg log |
| 04:58.30 | larks | it's amd 64 |
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| 05:01.01 | wols_ | larks: we do not support installs made with the nvidia.com .run installer |
| 05:03.32 | despoil | is there an rtorrent compiled with xmlrpc package? |
| 05:03.42 | despoil | so i don't have to compile it myself |
| 05:04.22 | wols_ | despoil: apt-cache show rtorrent |grep Depend answers your question |
| 05:04.30 | larks | wols_: what would you suggest then? |
| 05:04.58 | wols_ | larks: suggest for what? |
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| 05:05.19 | larks | to get working nvidia.com drivers working |
| 05:05.41 | wols_ | larks: we don't care. we do not support nvidia.com installers in any way |
| 05:05.55 | wols_ | larks: use the debian repos (in this case non-free |
| 05:06.03 | despoil | wanted to verify |
| 05:06.19 | alesan | what was tha relatively new window manager... lighter than xfce but still based on gtk... |
| 05:06.20 | wols_ | despoil: have you done what I told you? |
| 05:06.25 | larks | the packages are broken in testing and sid, last I checked |
| 05:06.27 | wols_ | alesan: lxde? |
| 05:06.32 | wols_ | larks: they are not |
| 05:06.35 | despoil | yep |
| 05:06.39 | alesan | wols_, yes probably |
| 05:06.45 | wols_ | despoil: and what did it tell you? |
| 05:06.54 | despoil | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 05:06.54 | despoil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:07.11 | wols_ | despoil: that's not what I told you about... |
| 05:07.37 | despoil | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 05:07.37 | despoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.53 | despoil | err |
| 05:07.54 | despoil | sorry |
| 05:07.56 | despoil | apt-cache show rtorrent |grep Depen |
| 05:07.58 | despoil | d |
| 05:08.05 | despoil | i did that before apt-get install |
| 05:08.16 | despoil | and it came up with the xmlrpc library |
| 05:08.25 | larks | wols_: when I try to apt-get install nvidia-glx it says that trhe package is broke, I have non-free part in the sources file too |
| 05:08.27 | despoil | or am i off based |
| 05:09.00 | larks | I'm using the 3.0 kernal if that makes a difference |
| 05:09.08 | magn3ts | wow aptosid is fast to install :o |
| 05:09.18 | wols_ | larks: that's not how you install it. especially not on testing and sid. and the errors it showed you should be ample information for a testing user to install it on its own |
| 05:09.24 | wols_ | !tell larks about nvidia |
| 05:09.51 | despoil | wols_ right? |
| 05:10.05 | wols_ | magn3ts: great. but please stop from ever asking for support for it in here. you earlier got bad advice. aptosid is not supported in any way in #debian |
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| 05:10.16 | wols_ | despoil: you're right |
| 05:10.52 | magn3ts | wols_, so there is a bigger difference than it being just like sid? |
| 05:10.58 | magn3ts | wols_, I guess I shouldn't ask that. :/ |
| 05:11.01 | magn3ts | um ok |
| 05:11.03 | wols_ | magn3ts: it is not sid |
| 05:11.06 | wols_ | !aptosid |
| 05:11.06 | dpkg | aptosid (formerly sidux) is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid. It is not supported in #debian. http://aptosid.com/ #aptosid on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:11.25 | magn3ts | wols_, okay thank you very much |
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| 05:14.26 | alesan | are there statistics on how many packages are available for Debian? |
| 05:15.09 | larks | wols_: then nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 05:15.44 | wols_ | larks: stop guessing and read the factoids. simply installing random packages won't help you |
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| 05:16.08 | wols_ | larks: you will want to use dksm |
| 05:16.15 | wols_ | dkms rather |
| 05:16.45 | wols_ | larks: and I strongly suggest to remove the broken crap you installed up to right now |
| 05:17.19 | DeM0nFiRe | Since when has installing random packages not solved every problem? |
| 05:17.42 | kuznetzvo | That's what the tought us in MCSE bootcamp! |
| 05:17.56 | wols_ | DeM0nFiRe: only if you do that when installing debian. otherwise it leads to this debian reinstall with random packages |
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| 05:18.10 | kuznetzvo | dkms is nice |
| 05:18.56 | DeM0nFiRe | Hey so if you install xfce from the debian installer, what login manager / display manager will it use |
| 05:18.57 | DeM0nFiRe | ? |
| 05:19.00 | larks | haha |
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| 05:34.13 | jsoft | And away we go! :) 2k8R2 installing :) |
| 05:34.22 | jsoft | Into Virtualbox even |
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| 05:37.37 | amero | how do i find out if a running process is stalled? |
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| 05:39.53 | alesan | what is the lightest web-browser? (graphical) |
| 05:39.54 | JordiGH | Well, if it's not doing anything, it's stalled. |
| 05:40.02 | alesan | I would need to run it on an ARM CPU |
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| 05:40.18 | JordiGH | Epiphany seems light to me. |
| 05:40.29 | Guest48268 | ciao a tutti |
| 05:40.38 | Guest48268 | !list |
| 05:40.39 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 05:40.56 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 05:42.37 | alesan | JordiGH, ephipany is based on...? |
| 05:43.20 | JordiGH | I think they're using Webkit nowadays. |
| 05:43.25 | JordiGH | It used to be Gecko. |
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| 05:45.14 | alesan | so is it going to be lighter than firefox for example? |
| 05:46.12 | JordiGH | Iceweasel is pretty light by itself. It adapts itself to however much RAM you have. |
| 05:46.30 | alesan | 128MB |
| 05:46.41 | DeM0nFiRe | Heh yeah it adapts to how much ram you have by leaking memory til it fills up all your RAM :D |
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| 05:47.50 | JordiGH | The memory leaks are really a thing of the past. |
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| 05:48.00 | DeM0nFiRe | Heh well |
| 05:48.05 | DeM0nFiRe | firefox has already lost me :P |
| 05:48.08 | _newbie_ | ciao a tutti |
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| 05:48.19 | _newbie_ | !lista |
| 05:48.20 | kuznetzvo | hi newbie from italy |
| 05:48.35 | kuznetzvo | lista.. lol |
| 05:48.37 | JordiGH | lol |
| 05:48.49 | kuznetzvo | now needs a cigarette |
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| 05:54.11 | linux-fox | hi,all |
| 05:54.26 | JordiGH | !list |
| 05:54.26 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
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| 06:03.04 | simonlnu | !lista is see list |
| 06:03.25 | simonlnu | dpkg: test |
| 06:03.25 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 06:03.32 | simonlnu | !lista |
| 06:03.42 | simonlnu | !lista is also list |
| 06:04.08 | larks | followed the the steps, didn't work haha |
| 06:04.32 | simonlnu | why is dpkg ignoring that? hmmm |
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| 06:06.45 | simonlnu | !lista is VATTENE VIA! |
| 06:06.59 | larks | back to gentoo for me |
| 06:07.02 | simonlnu | *blink* |
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| 06:07.55 | yagoo | larks, it's funny that the steps didn't work.. it's even funnier that gentoo sux :) LOL |
| 06:08.13 | larks | all linux distros suck, |
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| 06:08.18 | larks | they just suck less than windows |
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| 06:08.48 | simonlnu | yagoo: please refrain from useless comments like that |
| 06:09.03 | yagoo | simonlnu, "<larks> followed the the steps, didn't work haha" |
| 06:09.10 | yagoo | I don't have to pretend he said nothing. |
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| 06:09.25 | yagoo | larks, I agree linux sux less than windows |
| 06:09.35 | yagoo | LOL |
| 06:09.40 | ugly_duck | they both have their uses huh |
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| 06:10.03 | linux-fox | which editor should i use for programme in the linux? |
| 06:10.15 | yagoo | simonlnu has only been spamming ! and tells me to refrain from commenting.. |
| 06:10.17 | yagoo | bleh |
| 06:10.22 | ugly_duck | linux as a desktop is slowly getting better and better, to the point that newbies might start converting over |
| 06:10.25 | larks | I use vim |
| 06:10.48 | ugly_duck | vim! meh, bring on nano |
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| 06:12.40 | simonlnu | yagoo: standard custom here is to add a factoid in public if it's not too disturbing to current channel activity. your comments were simply flaming another distro. |
| 06:12.56 | linux-fox | ugly_duck: what about emacs ? |
| 06:13.28 | simonlnu | please get some perspective before you talk to me again |
| 06:13.33 | yagoo | LOL |
| 06:13.36 | yagoo | omg.. |
| 06:13.41 | yagoo | so larks I agree with you |
| 06:13.59 | larks | `-` |
| 06:14.00 | yagoo | linux-fox, many are good.. |
| 06:14.07 | yagoo | larks, yeah.. I smell troll here.. |
| 06:14.10 | yagoo | have fumn |
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| 06:28.41 | rgr | I recently moved to a /etc/networking/interfaces method of configuring my network rather than use networkmanager but deslipte a line "auto lo" the local loopback interface is not auto starting. Whats the standard way of trigering this? |
| 06:28.53 | rgr | deslipte? despite... |
| 06:31.14 | blubberdiblub | rgr, the correct file is /etc/network/interfaces and you also need a line saying "iface lo inet loopback", usually after the auto line |
| 06:31.30 | rgr | yes, I have that line |
| 06:31.42 | rgr | and "sudo ifup lo" works |
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| 06:32.15 | rgr | my q is how debian should be auto starting that interface |
| 06:32.27 | blubberdiblub | it autostarts it when booting |
| 06:32.32 | rgr | no, it doesnt |
| 06:32.42 | blubberdiblub | do you have package netbase installed? |
| 06:33.03 | blubberdiblub | yes, it usually does. if it does not for you, there's something wrong |
| 06:33.24 | rgr | yes I do |
| 06:33.57 | rgr | well, this is the thing, I am asking where the autostart is normally done since I can manuall bring it up. |
| 06:34.29 | blubberdiblub | in /etc/init.d/networking, which is supposed to be linked from the appropriate /etc/rc?.d/ directories |
| 06:35.01 | rgr | cd /etc/init.d |
| 06:35.04 | rgr | ha |
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| 06:35.52 | streuner_ | EyesIsMine: oh, on an ipod, really? :-) |
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| 06:37.13 | blubberdiblub | rgr, there should be a link to /etc/init.d/networking in /etc/rcS.d/ in particular. there's what gets startet before the runlevel is switched to a normal runlevel like 2 |
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| 06:37.40 | rgr | thanks |
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| 06:42.49 | latepre | any known distros still offering 'free media' shipping (cds)? |
| 06:43.10 | simonlnu | ask ##linux |
| 06:43.22 | latepre | but anything that comes to your mind? |
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| 06:44.20 | simonlnu | free shipping... what do you mean by that? shipping costs covered, they're free to order and receive? |
| 06:44.38 | latepre | free shipping and media yes |
| 06:44.44 | latepre | like ubuntus shiplt |
| 06:45.06 | simonlnu | ubuntu only one that comes to mind.. |
| 06:45.38 | latepre | i think fedora also did this |
| 06:45.40 | latepre | but |
| 06:45.47 | latepre | seems like not anymore |
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| 06:49.09 | I_Died_Once | hi, i have a problem... just installed debian squeeze on an old sony vaio... during the initial boot up and every since, it seems the frequency or whatever is causing my monitor to shut off, it appears the system is still runing, but the scaling is out of range for my monitor |
| 06:49.30 | I_Died_Once | during the startup, before x starts |
| 06:49.45 | I_Died_Once | when it goes to adjust the fonts i'm thinking |
| 06:49.45 | nsadmin | when x starts, it;s ok? |
| 06:50.09 | I_Died_Once | i never get to x, not sure if x starts or not |
| 06:50.11 | simonlnu | fedora is a community project TMK, and ubuntu is corporate |
| 06:50.46 | I_Died_Once | i've reinstalled twice to the same problem |
| 06:51.10 | I_Died_Once | the computer is set to dual boot and windows has no problem |
| 06:51.18 | nsadmin | I_Died_Once, can you ssh in? |
| 06:51.34 | I_Died_Once | good q... let me see |
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| 06:54.37 | nsadmin | if so, temporarily disable or uninstall your xdm or whichever |
| 06:54.45 | nsadmin | then try rebooting |
| 06:54.57 | I_Died_Once | i told it to install ssh from the installer (as well as kde as a grpahic desktop) but it appears i can no connect |
| 06:55.16 | I_Died_Once | that is after logging into my router to get its IP address |
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| 06:55.51 | I_Died_Once | it appears as if x is not running... thats is after typing and seeing the ram light flash after entering successful commands |
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| 06:57.32 | I_Died_Once | when i use rescue mode from grub, it appears to crap out during drm |
| 07:00.36 | nsadmin | do you need drm? |
| 07:00.56 | I_Died_Once | i guess |
| 07:01.10 | nsadmin | so, no? |
| 07:01.14 | I_Died_Once | that appears to be the problem |
| 07:01.30 | I_Died_Once | when the drm does its thing it goes out of range for the monitor |
| 07:01.36 | nsadmin | try disabling drm |
| 07:01.47 | I_Died_Once | monitor acts like i uplugged the vga |
| 07:01.51 | I_Died_Once | how do i do that? |
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| 07:02.49 | nsadmin | if you have a xorg.conf, you'd edit that... |
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| 07:03.00 | nsadmin | else you can generate one and edit that |
| 07:03.20 | _Maru_ | hi |
| 07:03.23 | I_Died_Once | i dont think i'm properly desribing the problem |
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| 07:03.37 | pbase | how do I check the status of my web cam (whether it is in use or not) |
| 07:03.45 | pbase | programmatically |
| 07:03.46 | I_Died_Once | during the boot script, before x loads, my monitor is going out of range |
| 07:03.49 | nsadmin | try to view it |
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| 07:04.12 | rgr | found the problem witht he network. A real doh moment. I had recently put my /home/me under encryption on my netbook but certain /etc/network files were symbolically linked to my git repo there.... so were unavailable at boot. heh. |
| 07:04.34 | nsadmin | I_Died_Once, so the monitor is not reporting its possible settings to X? |
| 07:04.43 | I_Died_Once | x isn't loading |
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| 07:04.58 | nsadmin | and instead for soem reason choosing a non-possible one |
| 07:05.12 | rgr | pbase: you consult the programming language API of the language you are using. |
| 07:06.10 | _Maru_ | I'm getting a "Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2.6.26-2-686 on running kernel 2.6.38-2-custom in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 07:06.18 | I_Died_Once | ok, you know how during the boot script / start of debian and most all linux's, it'll do some sort of a probe of the fonts and the drm of the monitor well before X loads?????? |
| 07:06.21 | pbase | rgr: thanks |
| 07:06.23 | simonlnu | rgr: omg, heh |
| 07:06.34 | I_Died_Once | thats when and where i'm getting the problem |
| 07:06.38 | _Maru_ | anyone have any idea why i'm getting the error? |
| 07:06.53 | I_Died_Once | it was doing this before i had x installed a while ago |
| 07:06.59 | nsadmin | I_Died_Once, what I've observed is the console font changes |
| 07:07.18 | nsadmin | maybe you could disable this font changing |
| 07:07.20 | _Maru_ | I_Died_Once: lol are you having the same problem as me? |
| 07:07.37 | rgr | if it did it before you installed then mentioning X is a red herring. You need to set your grub line crrectly. |
| 07:07.37 | _Maru_ | gdm starts then just a black screen? |
| 07:07.43 | I_Died_Once | what arguement do i give grub to do that? |
| 07:07.56 | nsadmin | but I'm not sure that's what's going on, it's more likely to be the frame buffer moduloe |
| 07:07.57 | rgr | you google up grub video settings |
| 07:08.20 | rgr | depends on your setup |
| 07:08.56 | I_Died_Once | old crt monitor, nvidia gsforce fx 5200, and a freshhhh install of squeeze |
| 07:08.58 | nsadmin | you could put vga=ask on the kernel command line |
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| 07:09.22 | simonlnu | not very useful for fb though ;) |
| 07:10.02 | rgr | crt monitor? We dont do crt monitors aorund here Grandad ;) |
| 07:10.04 | I_Died_Once | ask arguement no longer supported |
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| 07:11.47 | rgr | any css dev on linux is becoming increasingly impossible. I cant get ie4linux working here and cant test ie 7 at all. |
| 07:12.08 | rgr | any tools to help you can suggest? |
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| 07:13.22 | nsadmin | simonlnu, I dunno, I think what's initially useful is to find out what the problem is... maybe you could help him with that? |
| 07:13.52 | simonlnu | i don't have the mind for it right now, sorry people |
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| 07:14.45 | kuznetzvo | run windows os in a virtual environment if you've got the ram |
| 07:14.51 | pbase | rgr - maybe use a web service like browsershots |
| 07:15.02 | kuznetzvo | like.. as little as 256mb is enough ram for a fast VM in xp with only minor tweaking |
| 07:15.06 | rgr | you cant debug with that |
| 07:15.26 | rgr | goddam ie7 is the bane of my life recently |
| 07:16.02 | rgr | kuznetzvo: yeah but I dont own a windows license |
| 07:17.31 | pbase | rgr. how did you get the copy of i7 then :P. it requires an authentic windows system to download it if i am not wrong.. |
| 07:17.35 | preller | why am i getting this: Ign http://ftp.debian.org squeeze/updates Release |
| 07:17.42 | preller | when doing a aptitude update |
| 07:17.52 | rgr | pbase: you are wrong |
| 07:17.59 | rgr | well, almost... |
| 07:18.17 | rgr | I dont have a copy but ie4linux is supposed to work but I cant get it going |
| 07:18.22 | rgr | (usual wine issues) |
| 07:20.43 | pbase | rgr: my solution was to use a authentic copy of windows (downloaded) but not activated... and use it in a separate partition... (no network of course) |
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| 07:21.34 | cusco | use windows with 30 days |
| 07:21.36 | cusco | lol |
| 07:21.42 | pbase | yeah |
| 07:21.47 | pbase | reinstall after that |
| 07:22.15 | pbase | and those30 days canbe extended to 90 days |
| 07:22.23 | pbase | using some command I dint recall |
| 07:23.04 | nsadmin | his original statement was he didn't own a windows cert |
| 07:23.22 | pbase | license* |
| 07:23.50 | nsadmin | I dunno, but that suggested to me that he doesn't want to operate illegally |
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| 07:25.13 | nsadmin | I could be wrong... but if that's the case he doesn't want to do end-arounds to circumvent license terms |
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| 07:26.02 | simonlnu | and we don't condone this, here |
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| 07:27.21 | pbase1 | nobody wants to operate illegally. (some people say windows deserves that though) |
| 07:28.33 | pbase1 | but in the end it all revolves around if you want to pay or not |
| 07:28.34 | simonlnu | is happily free of that obsolete pseudo-os |
| 07:28.38 | rgr | what I want is to run it n a debian session. o virtualbox is the way. Maybe I can find an old oem version. |
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| 07:28.59 | rgr | but its SO tempting to ignore ie 7 too now... |
| 07:29.50 | pbase1 | what css ar eu developing. I think apart from overflow:hidden there are few css hacks for ie. that you can read thru blogs |
| 07:30.17 | simonlnu | the only stuff i add to sites is to make those "browsers" more standards compliant, or some minor tweaks. but i don't test things with them at all. i can't be arsed. |
| 07:30.26 | pbase1 | for paddings, you can try using widths and margins |
| 07:31.40 | pbase1 | here is a simple multi column fluid layout works in all browsers - http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/perfect-multi-column-liquid-layouts |
| 07:31.51 | nsadmin | pbase1, I don't disagree with you on deservedness, my reasons are no doubt in common with people on that side of an argument that['s been going on for years |
| 07:32.02 | rgr | pbase1: yes.... |
| 07:32.09 | nsadmin | so I'm not going into them... |
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| 07:32.52 | simonlnu | uses fluid 960 24 or 16 column often |
| 07:33.01 | nsadmin | more relevent is what/how he wants to do things |
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| 07:33.28 | pbase | nsadmin: ofcourse that was the base discussion of that thread |
| 07:33.28 | rgr | ie7 is terrible. lower worse. And generally all linked ot the hasLayout issues. And there are oodles of issues but you really must have a legit ie7 in order to debug it properly. |
| 07:33.42 | rgr | inline-block related generally. |
| 07:33.53 | simonlnu | ugh |
| 07:34.10 | simonlnu | inline-block is real handy sometimes ;) |
| 07:34.19 | rgr | its the most used layout operator give or take |
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| 07:37.45 | pbase | btw I did read someone saying tht he/she does browser development |
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| 07:38.34 | pbase | simonlnu might be able to tell ie specific hacks |
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| 07:39.21 | Soothsayer | Why wouldn't this simple two line shell file execute? http://pastie.org/2369530 |
| 07:39.31 | Soothsayer | I've placed a #!/usr/bin/env php at the top of the file |
| 07:39.37 | Soothsayer | and a hello world php code below it |
| 07:39.40 | pbase | also I found a nice group of people in #web discussing css and layouts |
| 07:39.59 | Soothsayer | If I type ./foo in my shell, I get a : No such file or directory |
| 07:40.40 | simonlnu | try avoiding using env with php or python |
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| 07:41.07 | Soothsayer | simonlnu, what should I use instead? |
| 07:41.17 | pbase | can one really use php in shell? thought you need a webserver for it |
| 07:41.31 | simonlnu | yes, you can |
| 07:41.37 | Soothsayer | pbase, ofcourse you can. PHP is a scripting language. |
| 07:41.51 | pbase | simonlnu: does that mean you can use php for desktop apps? |
| 07:41.54 | ansgar | The question is if you want to ;) |
| 07:41.58 | simonlnu | in debian there's a package for it, php{4,5}-cli |
| 07:42.28 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 07:42.41 | simonlnu | g'night |
| 07:43.01 | rgr | pbase: there are oodles of issues with css in ie 7 and a gazillion resources to help. Worryingly ther eis a huge discrepency in approaches. |
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| 07:44.08 | pbase | rgr: I am sure reading / unerstanding them will be of more use and faster |
| 07:44.37 | rgr | are you talking to me or to yourself? Youve lost me. More use and faster than what? |
| 07:44.53 | pbase | than actually trying to find a way to install ie7 :) |
| 07:45.09 | rgr | you clearly dont know anything about web developent or are confused. |
| 07:45.35 | pbase | well I don't know much but what I do know is sufficient to make a small working web ap |
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| 07:46.20 | rgr | erm right.... thats nice. But nothing to do with my original Q. Peopkle need to test as they develop. |
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| 07:46.40 | nsadmin | these days companies like microsoft has a stranglehold on browser compatibility, and web developers no longer have a choice but to develop for each browser separately |
| 07:46.56 | rgr | not true anymore. |
| 07:47.00 | rgr | css complicance is MUCH better, |
| 07:47.28 | rgr | in the oldne days you had to hack around for ie6 and 7 all the time |
| 07:47.34 | nsadmin | if that's the case why stress over ie? |
| 07:47.37 | rgr | not so much for newer versions of ie |
| 07:47.50 | rgr | because ie7 is still heavily used |
| 07:47.56 | rgr | (unfortunately) |
| 07:48.15 | nsadmin | and is before the version that's better with css compliance |
| 07:48.19 | nsadmin | ? |
| 07:48.24 | rgr | (when I say its much better I mean with newer IE versions > 7 of course) |
| 07:48.50 | pbase | currently its version 9 or 10 |
| 07:48.56 | rgr | yes... |
| 07:49.14 | rgr | but "newest available" <> what people use necessarily |
| 07:49.45 | rgr | many coporations for example lock down their Software to ancient "proven" technologoy. |
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| 07:53.00 | kyperf | hi |
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| 08:14.33 | latepre | is there any other way of smoothly getting the hdds device model other than hddtemp /dev/sd? |
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| 08:16.15 | ham5 | hdparm -i ? |
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| 08:19.01 | latepre | ham5: HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Invalid argument |
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| 08:20.14 | ham5 | huh |
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| 08:22.20 | ham5 | latepre ie: http://paste.debian.net/126134/ |
| 08:22.41 | ham5 | whats 'smoothly' mean anyway |
| 08:23.32 | latepre | smoothly as in short |
| 08:23.52 | latepre | the 'man' page for hdparm says the -i argument is unreliable |
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| 08:24.16 | latepre | as it harvests from boot time |
| 08:24.16 | ham5 | awk the hddtemp line? |
| 08:24.22 | kyperf | -i Display drive identification |
| 08:24.33 | liquid-silence | so I have this machine that plugs into my wifi gateway (adsl router) that I have now taken another machine and its it gateway to that box, the main box that connects to the ADSL gateway is via ethernet and has internet access, all I want to do with it is connect other machines to the wifi of the gateway but force the route through the machine so that I can setup iptables |
| 08:24.36 | latepre | ham5: why? |
| 08:24.54 | latepre | hddtemp /dev/sd? |
| 08:24.54 | latepre | /dev/sda: GB0500EAFJH: 23 C |
| 08:24.54 | latepre | /dev/sdb: GB0500EAFJH: 24 C |
| 08:25.16 | latepre | i want to do the same just don't need the temperature |
| 08:25.40 | ham5 | so why not awk it |
| 08:26.01 | latepre | what for? im looking for a solution that is as short as this |
| 08:26.05 | latepre | for user input |
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| 08:26.24 | latepre | just kinda weird to id the hdds by hddtemp you know |
| 08:26.38 | liquid-silence | do I really need two nics? |
| 08:26.38 | latepre | and all i want is to id the hdds as i plug heaps every day into the same system |
| 08:27.16 | ham5 | thats what hdparm is for but you want short input and output you should probly script something |
| 08:27.44 | ham5 | dmesg tells info no? |
| 08:27.52 | latepre | not if you dmesg -c it |
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| 08:28.15 | latepre | grep-ing dmesg is kinda way beyond the 'smooth' part |
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| 08:44.07 | Bushmills | latepre: why do you invoke hddtemp if you're not interested in temperature? |
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| 08:45.06 | liquid-silence | is it possible to have a "gateway" with only one nic? |
| 08:45.16 | Bushmills | yes |
| 08:46.00 | liquid-silence | Bushmills I am struggling my ass off |
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| 08:46.47 | Bushmills | having one NIC (as in physical controller) only doesn't mean you can't have multple virtual interfaces. like tun interfaces |
| 08:47.28 | kyperf | linxeh: it works for me |
| 08:47.31 | liquid-silence | well all I want to do with this machine is open up a vpn connection and push all trafic via that |
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| 08:47.50 | Bushmills | liquid-silence: openvpn, by any chance? |
| 08:48.00 | liquid-silence | Bushmills no strongvpn…… |
| 08:48.03 | liquid-silence | mind a pm? |
| 08:48.22 | Bushmills | i don't know strongvpn. can't help you with that |
| 08:48.47 | liquid-silence | Bushmills at this point in time I cannot even set any other machines to use that machine as a gateway |
| 08:48.52 | liquid-silence | there is no internet connectivity |
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| 08:48.58 | linxeh | kyperf: hmm its working now - been trying to get something from it for an hour or more |
| 08:49.01 | linxeh | kyperf: thanks |
| 08:49.04 | liquid-silence | the machine can hit the internet |
| 08:49.32 | Bushmills | liquid-silence: you may want to direct questions to somebody who knows strongvpn |
| 08:49.48 | liquid-silence | Bushmills I have not even gotten to setup the vpn yet |
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| 08:50.04 | liquid-silence | I just want to force all my machines to go through that machine as its gateway |
| 08:50.11 | Bushmills | but you have questions related to it |
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| 08:50.35 | rozie | liquid-silence: and the problem is? |
| 08:50.39 | liquid-silence | the vpn will not be a issue, its more a fact of getting the machines to access the internet though that machine |
| 08:51.01 | liquid-silence | rozie I cannot get any machines that gateway through that machine to get internet connectivity |
| 08:51.18 | rozie | liquid-silence: ip a a 10.0.0.1/24 dev eth0 |
| 08:51.31 | rozie | on other machines set 10.0.0.1 as default gateway |
| 08:52.07 | rozie | make NAT from 10.0.0.0/24 to public IP (also set on eth0) |
| 08:52.10 | rozie | should work |
| 08:52.35 | liquid-silence | rozie this is a funny setup |
| 08:52.45 | liquid-silence | the adsl (wifi) connects to eth0 of the machine |
| 08:52.47 | Bushmills | liquid-silence: while you can run multiple subnets over one interface, a gateway commonly makes sense with multiple interfaces. that's where a virtual interface from a vpn comes in |
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| 08:53.08 | liquid-silence | and the machines connect to the wifi of the adsl router |
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| 08:53.27 | rozie | what does it change? |
| 08:53.29 | liquid-silence | but I want certain devices to go through this machine as it gateway for vpn access |
| 08:53.44 | Bushmills | so i'd say, reverse your actions. get vpn running, then set up the vpn machine as gateway |
| 08:53.57 | liquid-silence | Bushmills the vpn will be easy |
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| 08:54.35 | Bushmills | good. then you have some additional interface to route to |
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| 08:55.50 | rozie | liquid-silence: stay on channel please. and: name a problem. "funny setup" is not a problem |
| 08:56.07 | liquid-silence | let me get the vpn up |
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| 08:56.43 | rozie | 1. do you have separate networks for "behind a router" and "connection to world"? |
| 08:57.20 | rozie | 2. do machines "behind a router" can ping "behind a router" IP on router? |
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| 08:57.57 | rozie | 3. is default routing on those machines set to IP on router? |
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| 08:58.42 | liquid-silence | the machines get is ips from dhcp from the ADSL router |
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| 08:58.55 | rozie | IMO you need 3 "yes" to make this work |
| 08:59.35 | rozie | as "router" I mean machine with 1 interface, not machine named ADSL router |
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| 09:01.04 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 09:01.06 | rozie | you probably want to paste full network configuration (including routing) from router, ADSL router and at least one machine |
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| 09:01.12 | rozie | bbl |
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| 09:03.36 | GodofLinux | liquid-silence, how many machines do you use ? How many network ranges you use ? I didn't read it ! |
| 09:03.57 | lancelot_of | i'm running linux-image-3.0.0-1 on wheeze but comparing it with 2.6.39 properties i immediatly see that the cpu temperature is systematically higher of a mean of 7-8 Celsius degrees, even if there are no resource sucking running processes. Any suggestion about the reason for that?Is there any way to decrease that temperature apart for fan settings?It's quite annoying this latter should work always up steered on |
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| 09:04.27 | GodofLinux | temp of what liquid-silence ? |
| 09:04.44 | GodofLinux | hdd cpu gpu ? |
| 09:05.02 | GodofLinux | what cooling do you use ? what cpu ? |
| 09:05.34 | GodofLinux | ups I meant lancelot_of ? what cpu ? |
| 09:06.26 | liquid-silence | ok vpn is up and working |
| 09:06.30 | liquid-silence | now just to get it to route |
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| 09:09.50 | lancelot_of | GodofLinux, cpu is an intel i5-2520M on thinkpad x220 and for cooling i use the same thinkfan settings as for 2.6.39. Is the answer you expected? |
| 09:12.25 | GodofLinux | well first of all well the intell is known with a pretty much unstable cooling :D I mean depend of what instructions are used it can get overhaeted you should check on some overclocker forum ! |
| 09:13.00 | GodofLinux | And also it is a thinkpad that mean that it could have a many other factors that heating a temp of cpu ! |
| 09:13.31 | GodofLinux | Btw is that temp of cpu or temp of system i mean temp of inside a thinkpad ! |
| 09:13.44 | GodofLinux | Then it could be just a ventilation ! :D |
| 09:15.01 | pbase | hw do I meanure the system temperature |
| 09:15.05 | pbase | measure* |
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| 09:15.53 | GodofLinux | you check sensor app :) |
| 09:16.29 | GodofLinux | if there is a one of the sensors it should be displayed on some of sensor programs ! |
| 09:16.31 | pbase | am on i3-2130 I too can feel the fan blowing faster than it was in 2.39 |
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| 09:16.46 | pbase | 2.6.39 |
| 09:17.07 | Kharec | hi there |
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| 09:18.23 | GodofLinux | I mean that ppl that use intel most of the time or not concerned with few degres up or down it is not as stable as my AMD :) |
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| 09:19.30 | pbase | its not about intel vs amd. its about solvin the heating issue |
| 09:19.51 | lancelot_of | GodofLinux, ok but i can't explain that strong difference inbehaviour between the two kernel images.Maybe the 3.0 is heavier than 2.6.39 and so heats more? |
| 09:20.46 | pbase | I don't think its heavy. the last I read on linus's naming comvention, it said nothing significant change in the kernal except the numbering |
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| 09:22.14 | GoodAD | niko c'est un ircop pirate, ne l'aidez jamais ! Car c'est un nain de jardin qui veux enculer blanche negre. |
| 09:22.28 | devil | !fr |
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| 09:23.15 | GoodAD | devil il dev comme un con |
| 09:23.32 | devil | blAH |
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| 09:24.39 | GoodAD | niko est un pédophile qui abuse des négros |
| 09:24.45 | nevyn | !it |
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| 09:26.18 | pbase | they should change the kick comment from Kicked by babilen to Kicked OUT by babilen. that is more humiliating |
| 09:26.27 | lancelot_of | pbase, indeed i had to change sensor description in /etc/thinkfan.conf: http://paste.debian.net/126137/ . There i had to add /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp2_input and temp3_input instead of /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.2/temp1_input for kernel 2.6.39 |
| 09:26.53 | lancelot_of | so the challenge still remains here: how to solve the overheating issue? |
| 09:29.03 | valdyn | lancelot_of: whats wrong with the default fan behaviour? |
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| 09:30.02 | lancelot_of | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.10 | GodofLinux | Well it is chamged many of drivers :p |
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| 09:31.09 | GodofLinux | Once again it is not important not a lenght of a linux image not even a linux image itself at all ! |
| 09:31.19 | GodofLinux | Just what you use it is relevant ! |
| 09:32.15 | GodofLinux | ok if you use it to process a to run a mysql and apache or to say a graphic image work or to say some video render ! |
| 09:32.34 | GodofLinux | It is really important taht you use same test when you compare ! |
| 09:32.41 | GodofLinux | Standardise test ! |
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| 09:34.59 | lancelot_of | GodofLinux, are you talking with me?My test is just on no running application conditions, apart this xchat to ask for support |
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| 09:35.32 | GodofLinux | hmm ok then again you use a debian is it ? |
| 09:35.47 | GodofLinux | That does involve a lot of different configurations :p |
| 09:36.06 | GodofLinux | that mean that you could have something new installed isn't it |
| 09:36.07 | lancelot_of | GodofLinux, yes debian wheezy |
| 09:36.43 | GodofLinux | monitor processes for a while make a atop snapshot or instal dconf and anyway check what is using your cpu ! |
| 09:36.57 | GodofLinux | Is it cpu overclocked on the same way |
| 09:37.17 | lancelot_of | i've nothing new installed, i just installed the new image and tested it. I don't use random words. If i speak of systematic temp difference it's for a specific reason. |
| 09:37.28 | GodofLinux | although is it gpu overclocked on same level ? Nochanges in battery sbs ? |
| 09:37.54 | lancelot_of | battery sbs stands for? |
| 09:38.19 | GodofLinux | hmmm well i use a amd powered cpu's mostly it is more relailable :) |
| 09:38.20 | lancelot_of | battery is a lot more consuming on the new image, standing for acpi info |
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| 09:39.01 | GodofLinux | smart battery syste it came on my mind a new exploit of apple macbooks :p that target a sbs :) |
| 09:39.10 | lancelot_of | in top i see nothing strange or nothing new using cpu resource |
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| 09:39.44 | lancelot_of | indeed if i reboot now and load 2.6.39 image all goes good |
| 09:40.06 | GodofLinux | Well did you check some forums for similar noticed temp changes if there isn't for a while it is probably some hardware problem on your machine ! |
| 09:40.31 | lancelot_of | GodofLinux, i didn't |
| 09:40.38 | GodofLinux | Hmmm so you have normal temp on a old image ? interesting ! |
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| 09:40.48 | GodofLinux | I'm certain that will became a issue ! |
| 09:40.50 | lancelot_of | GodofLinux, exactly |
| 09:41.28 | GodofLinux | Just we need to collect more intel running machines with that problem so that can be narrowed down :) |
| 09:42.11 | lancelot_of | ok now i come back to 2.6.39, my machine is really overheating. Hope for best 3.0 image settings in the next future |
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| 09:42.42 | nevyn | GodofLinux: it's even documented |
| 09:43.10 | Odaym | that's what you chose as a nickname? |
| 09:43.12 | Odaym | seriously? |
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| 09:43.47 | lancelot_of | nevyn, what and were is it documented? |
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| 09:44.18 | xingu | lancelot_of: might be worth grabbing the svn version of http://code.google.com/p/i7z/ and seeing if there's a material difference in which C state and core frequency is being chosen (and for how long) |
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| 09:44.28 | _Maru_ | When I mouse over the workspace switcher 2.30.2 my computer freezes for like 2 secs... any idea how to fix it? |
| 09:44.51 | xingu | lancelot_of: it won't necessarily answer your question but it might offer a view as to what the difference is; also check out powertop's view of what's causing wakeups to help narrow. |
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| 09:47.21 | lancelot_of | xingu, ok i'll tray later, thank you |
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| 09:47.31 | xingu | lancelot_of: fwiw there's no real difference in TDP for my i7-2720qm between 2.6.39 and 3.0.0 so whatever this is isn't only related to upstream changes. |
| 09:47.32 | GodofLinux | well _Maru_ you use what debian version squeeze or testing or sid ? what is speed of cpu ? try to reinstall gnome panel :p just purge files firstly put some other X wm and is there some similar problem ? |
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| 09:48.04 | xingu | (not really TDP, let's try "power consumption" instead) |
| 09:48.21 | chuckkh | Hi friends. My laptop doesn't seem to recognize the battery. If I unplug it, though the battery light is on, it shuts down. There is no /proc/acpi/battery. Another possibly related issue is that tapping the power button for an instant sends the machine into shutdown, which I don't want. I use stable, with Fluxbox. Any hints as to what I can check? |
| 09:48.46 | chuckkh | It recognized the battery before, but I reinstalled after I got a new hdd under warranty |
| 09:48.47 | _Maru_ | GodofLinux: wheezy speed is like 2ghz |
| 09:49.28 | GodofLinux | well chuckkh you should configure power manager to ask when you press power button :) |
| 09:49.29 | xingu | lancelot_of: is your notebook using the integrated sandybridge gpu as well? might be worth diffing the xorg log file as well as /var/log/dmesg across the kernel bump; a higher gpu clock or more time spent using it could raise the power budget substantially. |
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| 09:49.53 | GodofLinux | well i have one machine with 2ghz what is gpu on it ? |
| 09:50.06 | GodofLinux | graphic is from motherboard or gpu card ? |
| 09:50.13 | _Maru_ | radeon 5770 |
| 09:50.15 | lancelot_of | xingu, yes, my machine has sandybridge |
| 09:50.25 | GodofLinux | that is not problem |
| 09:50.28 | GodofLinux | i men gpu |
| 09:50.34 | GodofLinux | i mean gpu |
| 09:50.41 | chuckkh | GodofLinux: Yes sir, noted. |
| 09:51.05 | _Maru_ | radeon hd 5770 |
| 09:51.07 | GodofLinux | try to uninstall and install again a gnome panel and all related packages to menu like extra menu |
| 09:51.15 | GodofLinux | it has been issue for me |
| 09:51.19 | GodofLinux | i mean extra menu |
| 09:51.23 | lancelot_of | http://paste.debian.net/126140/ for dmesg and http://paste.debian.net/126141/ for Xorg.0.log |
| 09:51.26 | nevyn | hrm the thermal stuff I saw somewhere recently |
| 09:51.42 | xingu | chuckkh: is the battery module loaded? lsmod | grep battery |
| 09:52.24 | lancelot_of | battery and power_supply are loaded |
| 09:52.31 | GodofLinux | uninstall and purge menu and xdg-menu |
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| 09:52.38 | GodofLinux | then install it again |
| 09:52.48 | GodofLinux | that fixed problem on my machine |
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| 09:54.38 | GodofLinux | also you should check is it maybe something else doesn't corrupt your var partition i had earlier problems on unstable hdd with many times corruption of pixmaps do to a bad power configuration of hdd ! to say i damage it a bit hardware sidely :p |
| 09:54.39 | _Maru_ | lancelot_of: do you get something about ramdisk when you try to apt-get upgrade? |
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| 09:54.55 | xingu | lancelot_of: strip the leading fluff off those with: sed -e 's/^\[[ .0-9]*\]*//' |
| 09:55.06 | xingu | lancelot_of: or similar, then use "diff -u" pre/post to compare. |
| 09:55.24 | chuckkh | xingu: yes, battery module is loaded, hmm |
| 09:56.03 | poncha | is there a place ifconfig can be found *during* installation from businesscard/netinstall cd? |
| 09:56.06 | xingu | chuckkh: linux's battery module uses fairly standard-ish-since-dawn-of-time acpi interface for talking to the battery; is there an uprev bios available? |
| 09:56.07 | lancelot_of | _Maru_, i don't |
| 09:56.57 | poncha | or, alternatively... how can i locate ethernet adapter mac address without it? |
| 09:57.06 | lancelot_of | xingu, diff -u to do what? sorry for the question |
| 09:57.34 | xingu | lancelot_of: of xorg and dmesg logfiles |
| 09:57.40 | xingu | lancelot_of: sorry for lack of clarity. :) |
| 09:58.08 | xingu | lancelot_of: ie snapshot under 2.6.39, strip fluff per sed, then snap again under 3.0.0, strip fluff, then finally diff -u. |
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| 09:58.22 | chuckkh | GodofLinux: Under gnome-power-manager, I see that it is already supposed to ask me when the power button is pressed. I wonder why it doesn't. |
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| 09:58.41 | xingu | lancelot_of: you may discover that something material changes - higher graphics dotclock, losing a sleep state, something weird like that. |
| 09:58.42 | Liquid-Silence | got netflix on 4mb sucks ass |
| 09:59.41 | chuckkh | xingu: thanks for your advice, but I don't understand uprev bios... let me look 'er up |
| 10:00.00 | xingu | chuckkh: as in a new(er) bios for your notebook than what's currently loaded |
| 10:00.02 | GodofLinux | is there any other power managing program running on the machine I mean installed ! |
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| 10:00.28 | chuckkh | Searching for power manager or powermanager in synaptic only shows gnome's installed |
| 10:00.39 | GodofLinux | also your bios settings ? |
| 10:00.51 | rgr | what mecnahsnism does Deban use to autostart apache2 at system start. |
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| 10:00.57 | lancelot_of | hey guys i've found interesting hints on powertop. Were to post 5 snapshots? |
| 10:01.04 | chuckkh | I looked through the bios menu and saw no options for battery use. |
| 10:01.16 | GodofLinux | yeah that is normal they conflict in other case you run what configuration ? laptop ? |
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| 10:01.37 | GodofLinux | rgr, init.d |
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| 10:01.45 | lancelot_of | sorry but be rapid in aswer my battery is going off |
| 10:02.00 | chuckkh | i.e., when I reinstalled Debian I selected the "laptop" option under automatic package installation, yes |
| 10:02.01 | lancelot_of | i've not the power charger at hand now |
| 10:02.05 | rgr | init.d is referenced from elsewhere |
| 10:02.07 | GodofLinux | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 10:02.23 | rgr | no, Im not asking how I start it. I know that. But its not autostarting. |
| 10:03.21 | babilen | lancelot_of: picpaste/imgur come to mind |
| 10:03.39 | GodofLinux | should check a init.d directorioum |
| 10:03.46 | GodofLinux | init.d folder |
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| 10:04.11 | rgr | no |
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| 10:04.37 | rgr | cd /etc/init.d |
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| 10:04.55 | GodofLinux | also lets search in synaptic for sysv and tell me what type of init.d manager you use there is a few different ways that you could conf a init and from that deppend where and what are the files |
| 10:04.57 | rgr | init.d contains all sorts referenced form elsewhere |
| 10:05.09 | rgr | and it not specific to system start |
| 10:05.43 | rgr | the point is it used to work and since a recent update doesnt |
| 10:06.01 | GodofLinux | try to install a sysv-rc-conf and check a apache2 to run on what level you want ! |
| 10:06.04 | GodofLinux | :) |
| 10:06.13 | GoudAD | niko c'est un ircop pédophile qui abuse des négros, attention, il veut enculer blanche neigre avec ses copains les nains de jardins ! |
| 10:06.38 | rgr | it should work in the standard debian install and used to. I'm not installing new sys programs which could then clash with the rest of the system. |
| 10:06.40 | GodofLinux | !fr |
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| 10:07.06 | rgr | GodofLinux: you should try reading his french...... he is not looking for help...... |
| 10:07.07 | GodofLinux | hahaha rgr that is haha classic |
| 10:07.09 | GoudAD | Ils ont enfermé un innocent dans un labyrinthe et ils demande àl'innocent de payer pour sortir. niko est un juif escro. |
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| 10:07.33 | xingu | chuckkh: if you want to go see if your battery is wired up in terms of acpi - use acpidump -o DSDT.dat; iasl -d DSDT.dat; less DSDT.dsl |
| 10:07.39 | GodofLinux | yeah rgr i know |
| 10:07.58 | xingu | chuckkh: then look in there for any BAT entries. |
| 10:08.09 | GodofLinux | sys-rc-conf is a console based sysv configuration uttility :) |
| 10:08.24 | GodofLinux | it is simple to use and do not install nothing bad nor new :p |
| 10:08.31 | rgr | yes, I know. And nothing to do with my issue. |
| 10:08.41 | xingu | chuckkh: because that's more or less what the module does, exposing the result (from then following that entry and caching the result) in procfs/sysfs. |
| 10:08.44 | rgr | I'll check the dpkg contents. |
| 10:08.47 | rgr | (for apache2) |
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| 10:09.37 | xingu | lancelot_of: pastebin is fine for text stuff |
| 10:09.46 | GodofLinux | rgr it is easier way to change links for init via automated script then to change files by hand ! |
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| 10:10.35 | zastaph | typing sudo gedit file & opens in the background and thus doesn't prompt me for the password.. What do I do instead? su? |
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| 10:11.36 | GodofLinux | try to use a gksu and su also read a $man su |
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| 10:11.50 | Bushmills | there's also file-rc which replaces the rc<n>.d directories with their symlinks against a single text file |
| 10:11.54 | GodofLinux | zastaph, try to use a gksu and su also read a $man su |
| 10:12.22 | babilen | (please call !ops if someone is trolling/spamming/...) |
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| 10:12.49 | GodofLinux | exactly Bushmills ! i use a normal sysv init :) |
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| 10:13.18 | Bushmills | installation of file-rc converts sysv-rc config to that file. and vice versa |
| 10:13.30 | zastaph | GodofLinux typing su and providing password has the same effect as sudo? after ~5 mins it resets? |
| 10:14.09 | GodofLinux | it is nicer maybe to do config in file-rc cause it has them nicely all on one place I just use sysv longer and know to use :) |
| 10:14.25 | GodofLinux | yeap i know Bushmills |
| 10:14.36 | chuckkh | xingu: Thanks; "DSDT.dsl: No such file or directory" |
| 10:14.54 | GodofLinux | but i think that he had a problem with a purged or not fully installed init.d script ! |
| 10:15.00 | chuckkh | also see "acpi_os_map_memory: cannot open /dev/mem" |
| 10:15.17 | Bushmills | well, that's a different problem |
| 10:15.36 | chuckkh | DSDT.dat lists as 0 bytes |
| 10:15.46 | GodofLinux | I mean you want password prompt in gtk version or in console version ? |
| 10:16.34 | xingu | chuckkh: aah, you may need to do that as root |
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| 10:17.26 | GodofLinux | I meant on init for apache2 |
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| 10:17.44 | xingu | chuckkh: basically you're looking for Device (BAT0) in the dsl decompiled file. |
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| 10:18.13 | xingu | chuckkh: if it's not there, your bios doesn't expose that knob for some reason... so it's mostly game over; if it does, something else is wrong |
| 10:18.30 | hyper_ch | hi there, I'm trying to find out on what port a given IP connects to my server. However netstat -tpn just returns only a single connection while iftop returns a lot |
| 10:19.33 | xingu | hyper_ch: tcpdump -Nn host ip.ad.dr.es ? |
| 10:19.49 | hyper_ch | xingu: might try that :) thx |
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| 10:28.48 | zastaph | do I need a seperate user for sftp? It seems I need the command in sshd_config "ForceCommand internal-sftp" which blocks out normal ssh access |
| 10:29.03 | hyper_ch | xingu: that works fine :) |
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| 10:31.02 | sedulous | zastaph: sftp works fine with the default configuration. what you mentioned allows you to restrict a user to sftp only |
| 10:31.12 | sedulous | (or a group) |
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| 10:31.41 | zastaph | ok thanks |
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| 10:32.39 | zastaph | sedulous though I still need to set a ChrootDirectory for the user right? and it seems it has to be within ~ |
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| 10:37.07 | chuckkh | xingu: It's strange. The same laptop used the battery before warranty service and reinstallation. Under superuser, DSDT.dat is bigger, 191K, but iasl DSDT.dat returns "Data Table Compiler is not available yet" |
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| 10:38.30 | chuckkh | But I can check the bios version |
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| 10:41.20 | thewanderer1 | zastaph: chroot is not required for the operation of SFTP |
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| 10:42.25 | chuckkh | Strange thing, gnome-power-manager sees the battery |
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| 10:42.28 | Woet | i'm not sure who manages the mirrors, but the IPv6 on villa.debian.org isn't working - just mentioning. |
| 10:42.39 | chuckkh | but /proc/acpi/ has no battery directory |
| 10:42.41 | Woet | it's in the round robin of security.debian.org |
| 10:43.18 | zastaph | thewanderer, how do I set the root directory for sftp then? |
| 10:43.32 | Woet | zastaph: it's the user's home path, just like with ssh |
| 10:44.08 | zastaph | Woet, ok but if I'd like to choose another path? even outside home |
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| 11:05.49 | Lasers | Is there a Debian iso for really old machine? |
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| 11:06.13 | obiwahn | use a normal stable |
| 11:06.17 | obiwahn | should work |
| 11:06.36 | flower | use xfce as wm than |
| 11:06.45 | obiwahn | i think there is still isa support in new kernels |
| 11:06.52 | obiwahn | or window maker:P |
| 11:07.11 | Lasers | obiwahn: Right. I suggest this guy to install Debian. He tried LiveCD --(Gnome) -- but he can't get it to run. |
| 11:07.23 | Lasers | 512MB Ram, 1.5Ghz. |
| 11:08.01 | flower | it works on 600mhz with 256mb as well, Lasers |
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| 11:09.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lasers: live cd in 500mb of ram? |
| 11:09.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | brave |
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| 11:09.35 | flower | (netinst i was talking) |
| 11:09.37 | Lasers | He does not want to erase his partition -- Windows 98. :o |
| 11:09.40 | flower | live dunno |
| 11:10.45 | bonjoyee | how come things like lame, x264, xvid suddenly turn up in debian backports? change in policy? |
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| 11:14.32 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:20.29 | wildc4rd | afternoon al |
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| 11:31.07 | valdyn | judd: versions x264 |
| 11:31.08 | judd | Package x264 on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1:0.svn20090115-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 1:0.svn20110115-0.0; squeeze-backports: 2:0.116.2037+gitf8ebd4a-3~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:0.116.2037+gitf8ebd4a-3; sid: 2:0.116.2042+git178455c-1; sid-multimedia: 2:0.svn20110801-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 2:0.svn20110801-0.0 |
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| 11:39.40 | mramish | iam doing first time squeeze net install with an nvidia card in the maschine. Will the installer pull the correct nvidia drivers during installation? |
| 11:39.56 | Woet | try it and see? |
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| 11:40.19 | wols_ | mramish: it will use the nouveau drivers. and if those don't work it will use VESA |
| 11:40.35 | wols_ | !tell mramish about nvidia |
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| 11:42.15 | mramish | ah ok so for correct 3d accerlation ive to install additional packages. |
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| 11:50.46 | sphenxes01 | I would like to mount a directory using nfs to my system. mount -t nfs /mnt/dir /media/dir. it works fine but i must do it under the root. the result that /media/dir is owned by root. I would like to mount the directory under user.usergroup. how can i do it? |
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| 11:54.11 | ham5 | cant you put it in fstab and set the user/group in the options? |
| 11:54.40 | sphenxes01 | ham5, it is alread yin fstab but how can i set the user option |
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| 11:56.38 | wols_ | sphenxes01: ls -ld /media/dir ? |
| 11:56.56 | wols_ | rather: ls -ld /mnt/dir |
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| 12:05.08 | zastaph | I can't get openssh sftp working to an arbitrary directory (chroot) .. It seems the it's required that the user name and name of home directory are identical somehow.. Any other ChrootDirectory /home fails |
| 12:05.32 | allu2 | Hello, i have a laptop with seperated /home that was crypted while i used ubuntu, how i decrypt the /home now that i installed debian? |
| 12:05.39 | zastaph | ChrootDirectory /home/sftp doesnt work |
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| 12:06.31 | wols_ | zastaph: tried scponly? |
| 12:07.03 | zastaph | wols_, no i'm pretty hooked on sftp now, especially since thats the only thing filezilla supports |
| 12:07.29 | wols_ | allu2: ask the ubuntu folks what they use for encryption the home directory and then use the same software under debian |
| 12:07.50 | wols_ | zastaph: scponly is for sftp... |
| 12:08.07 | babilen | ,info scponly |
| 12:08.08 | judd | Package scponly (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users. Version: 4.8-4.1; Size: 43.6k; Installed: 176k; Homepage: http://sublimation.org/scponly/ |
| 12:08.51 | zastaph | wols, ok ill check it out.. do you know the difference between internal-sftp and openssh/sftpserver ? |
| 12:10.06 | wols_ | I have no clue what you mean with "Internal-sftp" |
| 12:11.38 | zastaph | wols in sshd_config you can set Subsystem sftp internal-sftp or /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 12:13.19 | zastaph | seems to only work with internal-sftp |
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| 12:16.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am confused to choose between OpenOffice and Libreoffice as Oracle denounced any support for OpenOffice and it is maintained by the community |
| 12:16.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Can anyone tell me which is better to use for Debian? |
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| 12:20.01 | wols_ | !libreoffice |
| 12:20.01 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is packaged in <testing> and <squeeze-backports>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 |
| 12:20.16 | wols_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you want to use libreoffice as you can see from this |
| 12:20.38 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols_, which is the default for wheezy ? |
| 12:21.37 | wols_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: read the factoid more carefully until you get it |
| 12:22.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols_, i know what you are talking about.. But even openoffice is packaged in Testing.. I am asking which is the default. All i care about is timely updates. Previously the issue was oracle's interference but now its gone |
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| 12:24.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ah ok, so it is replacing OO..i will make a switch then |
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| 12:27.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols_, can you provide me a documentation for multichannel support for oss4? I have an emu10k1x 5.1 channel card for which I cant enable 5.1 surround under oss |
| 12:28.55 | wols_ | last I remember hardware multichannel was enabled by default for emu10k1 |
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| 12:29.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wols_, whenever i run osstest .. when it comes to the surround speakers it fails ! |
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| 12:44.08 | kyperf | hi |
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| 12:44.52 | lancelot_of | hey guys about my previous overheating thread with kernel image 3.0.0-1 please take a look at these 5 snapshots from powertop during kernel running: http://imgur.com/sKJuF&y6FU1&QdQoU&i6ALM&oCb3S |
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| 12:46.47 | lancelot_of | there are some apps that even if not listed in top as resource sucking seem to be really cpu consumpting thus(maybe?) overheating the machine. Any suggestion on how to fix? xingu are these snapshot useful in order to fix? |
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| 12:48.12 | lancelot_of | again all these threads doesn't affect the correct running of kernel 2.6.39 |
| 12:48.13 | wols_ | lancelot_of: check your C and P states instead. much more important for the question of heat generation |
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| 12:48.42 | lancelot_of | wols_, dunno what C and P states are. How to check for them? |
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| 12:50.07 | wols_ | lancelot_of: 2nd image. and you want C6 if at all possible. your BIOS is ugly I guess |
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| 12:50.39 | wols_ | but: why is your laptop overheating? cause even if your CPU runs at full speed, your laptop is not supposed to overheat. if it is, its design is defective |
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| 12:51.08 | kuznetzvo | ah you might have drier lint syndrome |
| 12:51.21 | wols_ | "I have a 500hp car which can run at 300mph but if I ever go over 88mph the brakes automatically come one preventing me to go faster" |
| 12:51.40 | wols_ | a car like this is borken |
| 12:51.47 | kuznetzvo | if the laptop is older than few months, i'd take it apart to expose the heatsink/fan for the cpu and check the little fins to see how much shit has built up on them |
| 12:51.59 | kuznetzvo | 9 times outta 10 that's why i see a laptop overheating |
| 12:52.28 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: consumer laptop (acer is the prime example) with core i cpu. they are all garbage |
| 12:52.49 | kuznetzvo | i have a little acer netbook here that runs squeeze pretty nice. just atm though, not i |
| 12:52.52 | kuznetzvo | atom^ |
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| 12:53.16 | babilen | lancelot_of: What kind of laptop is it? |
| 12:53.30 | lancelot_of | my bios is last updated and as i posted this morning i take this problem only when i run kernel image 3.0. On kernel 2.6.39 all goes good |
| 12:54.12 | lancelot_of | my laptop is a thinkpad x220 with i5-2520M intel core processor |
| 12:54.17 | kuznetzvo | ah bugger sounds like some kind of bizarre power management issue |
| 12:54.52 | abrotman_ | so why not use the .39? |
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| 12:56.04 | lancelot_of | abrotman, beacause the intel video driver for xorg is buggy (it freezes the machine) and the latest version 2.16 from intellinux requires 3.0 to work correctly (as it seems) |
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| 12:56.44 | webad_13 | could someone tell me what the slot above ATI mobility radeon m6 is for (on laptop). Pictures at http://imageshack.us/g/685/14082011006.jpg/ |
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| 12:58.28 | lancelot_of | kuznetzvo, should i update powermanagemen from sid? |
| 12:58.32 | wols_ | webad_13: #hardware |
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| 13:00.52 | kuznetzvo | i answered him there wols :) |
| 13:01.25 | kuznetzvo | lance, not my area of expertise honestly. i'm mostly here to learn |
| 13:02.07 | kuznetzvo | my attitude is.. it's not your main workstation, it's not production.. so, see if you can figure it out. if that means trying new power management / fan control etc, if i was in your shoes, i'd try it |
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| 13:09.31 | xingu | lancelot_of: looks like it's alsa - it's pretty unusual for the audio codec to sit there spinning like that (100%, 1st screenshot) |
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| 13:10.08 | lancelot_of | thanks xingu so what should i do in your opinion? |
| 13:10.21 | xingu | lancelot_of: see if you can isolate it back to a particular userspace process - fuser -uf /dev/snd/* might help that |
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| 13:10.42 | xingu | lancelot_of: could be for instance the flashplayer plugin quietly eating you to death? |
| 13:10.48 | kuznetzvo | sound theme enabled in the desktop environment maybe? |
| 13:10.52 | xingu | or that |
| 13:10.54 | babilen | lancelot_of: Which temperatures are you reaching? I have absolutely no problems with fans/heat on my SB thinkpad. |
| 13:10.56 | kuznetzvo | i like flash idea better. |
| 13:11.07 | kuznetzvo | i take every opportunity possible to blame them for anything bad happening :) |
| 13:11.15 | rozie | ;) |
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| 13:11.35 | lancelot_of | xingu, duno if it could be flashplayer.anyway the minimal temperature is of 55 °C |
| 13:11.36 | xingu | kuznetzvo: beats blaming on the good times or the boogie I guess |
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| 13:12.00 | xingu | lancelot_of: fuser will help find out what has the audio device open then you can start shooting things |
| 13:12.14 | kuznetzvo | so.. you *do* feel plenty of warm air blowing out the vent holes though, right? i have to ask. |
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| 13:13.50 | babilen | lancelot_of: What does "cat /proc/acpi/ibm/fan" give you? |
| 13:13.55 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 13:14.25 | lancelot_of | babilen, now i'm running 2.6.39 preventing also the battery to go down immediately. |
| 13:14.58 | lancelot_of | babilen, however it returns the fan level at 3800 rpm more less |
| 13:15.20 | babilen | lancelot_of: What is a battery doing when "it is going down" ? Could you paste the output from .39 and 3.0 ? |
| 13:15.48 | xingu | lancelot_of: see 2nd+3rd screenshot; the cpu is spending a lot of time in c3 which is good, but when it wakes up, it runs with turboboost enbaled hence more thermal output; either your intake fans are clogged (which I guess is where kuznetzvo is going) or your notebook has poor thermal design; so there's two parts to this |
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| 13:16.23 | xingu | lancelot_of: first, why the change in profile between 2.6.39/3.0.0 (some userspace thing going bezerk), two, why is it so hard for the notebook to shed heat with turboboost active |
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| 13:17.58 | babilen | lancelot_of: Also: What are the are min/max/avg temperatures you reach with .39 and 3.0 ? |
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| 13:18.59 | wols_ | lancelot_of: and what powerdraw you get when on battery? |
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| 13:19.56 | kuznetzvo | like if that laptops more than a few months old and if the new kernel causes a spike with turboboost when resuming, it might be just above the threshold of what a partially clogged HSF can handle |
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| 13:20.17 | kuznetzvo | if you smoke, have pets, and don't change your AC filter often, then this makes for much more likely scenario |
| 13:20.59 | wols_ | kuznetzvo: it's a x220. it's at most 2-3 months old |
| 13:21.05 | xingu | wonders if 3.0 is "better" about task placement than 2.6.39 |
| 13:21.36 | xingu | ie, note how the load is being put on cpu0+1 |
| 13:22.10 | wols_ | xingu: aren't 2+3 HT only? |
| 13:22.28 | xingu | could well be a perfect "best" case from snb's turboboost point of view; lots of wakeups with relatively long sleep interval from 2 interrupt sources |
| 13:22.28 | wols_ | xingu: I wonder why there is no C6 state |
| 13:22.30 | kuznetzvo | smoking by itself isn't that big of a problem. with dust and hair though, there is an adhesive quality to it.. .builds up kind of like how cholesterol deposits fill up your arteries |
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| 13:22.49 | xingu | add all that together and you have the perfect case for snb's thermal smarts. |
| 13:22.58 | kuznetzvo | course i don't have heat failure.. when something gets a little dirty, it gets a 125psi compressed air bath |
| 13:23.05 | abrotman_ | kuznetzvo: do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:23.18 | kuznetzvo | sorry i shut up. trying to learn |
| 13:23.24 | xingu | wols_: yes, that's remarkable |
| 13:23.31 | kuznetzvo | wols helped me first time i was here iirc. i keep forgetting to use -offtopic |
| 13:24.09 | Kharec | hi |
| 13:24.32 | Kharec | for questions about sid, can I ask here? Or will you tell me "You don't have to use Sid" ? |
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| 13:25.01 | abrotman_ | you can try to ask here, or try #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:25.01 | xingu | wols_: although interestingly powertop isn't showing that for me here either, although intel's own i7z widget does |
| 13:25.01 | babilen | Kharec: If you are looking for a sid channel there is #debian-next on irc.oftc.net -- but you can also ask here if you want. |
| 13:25.14 | xingu | starts a jumbo xterm to see if it's just screen clipping |
| 13:25.27 | Kharec | babilen: thanks, it's just that my trackpad seems dead, after an upgrade. |
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| 13:25.45 | Kharec | but an extern mouse in USB works. |
| 13:26.00 | Kharec | On a eeePC |
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| 13:26.53 | devil | Kharec: trackpad or touchpad? |
| 13:27.14 | xingu | nope; some sort of api/abi issue with powertop it seems |
| 13:27.25 | kuznetzvo | this appears to be relevant for touchpad: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/ElantechTouchpad |
| 13:27.27 | Kharec | touchpad |
| 13:27.38 | Kharec | kuznetzvo: I look that thanks |
| 13:27.41 | devil | Kharec: eeepc-acpi-scripts is installed? |
| 13:28.05 | Kharec | devil: nope. I have to install it, I think? |
| 13:28.28 | devil | Kharec: afaik, it should be installed anyways |
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| 13:29.09 | Kharec | Ok, it's not install on my sys. |
| 13:29.25 | Kharec | Yet, fix that, after i will find myself :) |
| 13:29.26 | Kharec | thanks! |
| 13:30.07 | kuznetzvo | isn't that just for hotkeys and such? |
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| 13:31.35 | devil | i dont remember correctly, didnt haven an eeepc in a long time |
| 13:31.50 | abrotman_ | it has a description, and google is always there |
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| 13:32.19 | kuznetzvo | google said it was for suspend support and hotkeys (via debian packages website) |
| 13:34.06 | magog | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.02 | kuznetzvo | sorry i thought my statement was relevant |
| 13:35.16 | kuznetzvo | oh wait, you fat fingered that didn't you lol |
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| 13:35.40 | llua | never heard that before. |
| 13:35.52 | llua | fat fingered. ima steal that. |
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| 13:36.32 | kuznetzvo | my fingers like hot dogs i tell ya. you should have seen me when i tried to learn guitar. worse than time i tried to do gentoo stage 1 while tripping on mescaline. |
| 13:36.59 | abrotman_ | i think you want #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:37.38 | llua | or #getoffyourhighhorse. |
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| 13:38.11 | kuznetzvo | it's quite reasonable to request offtopic channel especially for large channel like this, plus it is important support |
| 13:38.18 | abrotman_ | wtf |
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| 13:39.04 | nooodl | why is java running really slowly compared to when i'm on windows on the same laptop? |
| 13:39.22 | nooodl | is that a known issue, or |
| 13:39.35 | abrotman_ | which JRE? |
| 13:40.07 | nooodl | both sun's and openjdk |
| 13:42.36 | kuznetzvo | there is a bug described around march 27th 2011 that describes something similar |
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| 13:44.05 | kuznetzvo | claims to be resolved in version 6.25-1 or later |
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| 13:49.11 | valdyn | nooodl: what exactly is slow? |
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| 13:53.05 | nooodl | valdyn, i'm running minecraft |
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| 13:55.32 | wols_ | nooodl: what video driver? |
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| 13:59.34 | valdyn | nooodl: more probable than java being slow is your 3D graphics being slow in general |
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| 14:00.24 | kuznetzvo | i had that issue on one of machines until i did firmware-nonfree |
| 14:00.49 | valdyn | kuznetzvo: theres no need to be guessing to resolve this |
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| 14:01.13 | abrotman_ | especially since the original asker has gone silent ... |
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| 14:02.29 | nooodl | oh, i'm alive, don't worry :) |
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| 14:03.33 | kuznetzvo | sorry i wasn't trying to guess. i wanted to offer anecdote regarding my experience with similar issue, such that it could benefit someone |
| 14:03.51 | nooodl | wols_: "02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M96 [Mobility Radeon HD 4650]" |
| 14:04.55 | nooodl | kuznetzvo, do you mean firmware-linux-nonfree? or is the package just not showing up here |
| 14:05.23 | nooodl | oh, it's here http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/firmware-nonfree nevermind |
| 14:05.27 | kuznetzvo | that's the one i installed but i was using nvidia |
| 14:05.51 | kuznetzvo | i actually don't have any ati hardware anymore, or i'd be checking for you in more detail |
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| 14:06.22 | abrotman_ | nooodl: are you using radeon or fglrx ? |
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| 14:06.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, ahoy mate |
| 14:06.47 | nooodl | abrotman_, radeon |
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| 14:07.27 | abrotman_ | nooodl: and it has full accelerated support for 3d? |
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| 14:07.52 | garotosopa | Hi. Could anybody suggest me something like whiptail that instead of rendering a full screen dialog could display a list of options right on the command line? |
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| 14:08.21 | nooodl | i'd think so, seeing as it ran fine on windows earlier |
| 14:09.00 | mns | garotosopa: there is "dialog" I think. not used either so can't really tell. how about just looking at the manpage ? |
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| 14:10.47 | Liquid-Silence | is there a tool to monitor network through put? |
| 14:11.03 | kuznetzvo | man tcpdump ? |
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| 14:11.17 | Liquid-Silence | more speed related |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman_ | Liquid-Silence: per port or total? |
| 14:11.32 | Liquid-Silence | I need to see if this vpn connection is being shapped by my isp |
| 14:11.32 | abrotman_ | jnettop is decent, iftop might also work for you |
| 14:11.38 | kuznetzvo | then maybe netstat or ntop |
| 14:11.43 | garotosopa | mns: dialog is pretty much the same as whiptail. I'll keep looking, thanks. |
| 14:11.44 | kuznetzvo | yeah what abrotman said |
| 14:11.52 | abrotman_ | how will netstat measure his bandwidth? |
| 14:12.30 | valdyn | Liquid-Silence: maybe iptraf is for you |
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| 14:13.15 | valdyn | then again, iptraf is broken for anything but the old interface names |
| 14:13.24 | kuznetzvo | bandwidth no but i didn't parse "monitor network throughput" properly.. it depends on what you're looknig for.. like inordinate amount of tcp windows sizing, duplicate acks, unusually high pps, listening on wrong socket, etc |
| 14:13.51 | abrotman_ | with netstat ? |
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| 14:14.51 | kuznetzvo | goofy listening, inordinate number of half open connections, waiting or timeout, etc. just hints really |
| 14:15.41 | kuznetzvo | mainly i've just found packet capture more useful for network anomalies, as it can tell you what kind of anomaly other than pps + bandwidth |
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| 14:19.03 | Liquid-Silence | hmmm I think they are shapping vpn :( |
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| 14:20.19 | Liquid-Silence | because with my 1GB capped adsl account this works fine |
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| 14:24.02 | wols_ | Liquid-Silence: iptraf |
| 14:24.13 | Liquid-Silence | yeah using that |
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| 14:24.34 | Liquid-Silence | seems that I just need to have the vpn up for the auth to show that I am in the US |
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| 14:26.28 | flipcoder | can't install gnome on wheezy. any help? (I'm a newb to debian) http://pastebin.com/MWzhYqcJ |
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| 14:26.49 | valdyn | flipcoder: you shouldnt be using wheezy then |
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| 14:27.31 | flipcoder | I needed a new g++ version and only wheezy had it :( |
| 14:27.32 | valdyn | flipcoder: the gnome metapackage in wheezy may be broken, thats not unexpected |
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| 14:27.38 | flipcoder | hmm |
| 14:27.47 | valdyn | flipcoder: why the hell do you need a particular g++ version? |
| 14:27.56 | flipcoder | C++0x support to compile something |
| 14:28.07 | flipcoder | squeeze didn't have 4.5 i don't think |
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| 14:28.30 | flipcoder | if i can get the newer one on squeeze I'll go back |
| 14:28.33 | orfix | Hi, can i safely resize a windows partition during debian squeeze install , without breaking the OS already installed ? |
| 14:28.36 | valdyn | flipcoder: that may be, but its not a good idea to upgrade the whole distro when all you need is a compiler |
| 14:28.36 | mycae | hi; is it possible to reverse a patch in-place? |
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| 14:28.50 | orfix | resize = shrink |
| 14:29.02 | valdyn | mycae: hmm? isnt patching always done in place? |
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| 14:29.08 | mycae | no, i mean the patch file itself |
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| 14:29.24 | abrotman_ | flipcoder: try one of the other gnome metapackages |
| 14:29.34 | orfix | or should I interrupt the install and boot with a liveCD to do it using GParted ? |
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| 14:29.44 | flipcoder | which one |
| 14:29.54 | valdyn | judd: versions g++-4.5 |
| 14:29.55 | judd | Package g++-4.5 on i386 -- sid: 4.5.3-5; wheezy: 4.5.3-5 |
| 14:30.00 | abrotman_ | flipcoder: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 14:30.13 | dado_ | hi, i messed up ATP while trying to upgrade from squeeze to sid: http://nopaste.info/f4216ca827.html how could i fix that? |
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| 14:30.49 | flipcoder | i get similar errors for gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 14:31.04 | abrotman_ | flipcoder: make sure you aptitude update first |
| 14:31.23 | flipcoder | yep did that |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman_ | still not working? paste the errors in paste.debian.net |
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| 14:32.26 | flipcoder | http://paste.debian.net/126164/ |
| 14:33.00 | valdyn | judd: versions eog |
| 14:33.01 | judd | Package eog on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-1; sid: 3.0.2-2; wheezy: 3.0.2-2 |
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| 14:33.26 | abrotman_ | flipcoder: try with aptitude instead |
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| 14:33.33 | flipcoder | oh ok |
| 14:33.50 | flipcoder | woah i think that worked xD |
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| 14:33.56 | flipcoder | didn't know there was a big difference |
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| 14:34.06 | jpw1391 | Let me know if this is against this channels rules but would anyone be willing to sign up for a drop box account from my invite? |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman_ | problem resolution is a big difference |
| 14:34.17 | abrotman_ | jpw1391: go away |
| 14:34.21 | jpw1391 | fair enough |
| 14:34.31 | jpw1391 | know any good work arounds for it? |
| 14:34.31 | flipcoder | thanks for the help |
| 14:34.36 | Elirips | Hello. [Rater X/radeon related, than debian] Has anyone an idea, how I could see if the radeon-option Option "DynamicClocks" "on" is actually chaning the gfx-frequency? When looking at the temperature, I doubt... |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman_ | jpw1391: go away |
| 14:34.49 | jpw1391 | chutes |
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| 14:35.08 | abrotman_ | flipcoder: any better? |
| 14:35.23 | flipcoder | yep its working now, thanks |
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| 14:36.55 | flipcoder | on a side note, is there any easy way to get a package that isn't in your normal dist repository, say if I needed a newer g++? |
| 14:37.39 | abrotman_ | that's kind of major component .. not something i'd want to mix from another version of Debian |
| 14:38.20 | valdyn | flipcoder: you dont want a newer g++ in any case, you might want a *different* compiler package |
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| 14:38.45 | valdyn | !backport |
| 14:38.46 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 14:38.49 | valdyn | flipcoder: ^^ |
| 14:39.12 | flipcoder | I believe I checked the backports for it as well but I might be wrong |
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| 14:39.22 | abrotman_ | i think he's telling you to make your own |
| 14:39.30 | valdyn | flipcoder: true, its not in backports, but its not very hard to backport it |
| 14:39.36 | flipcoder | ah ok |
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| 14:40.44 | dado_ | hmm anybody? |
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| 14:41.11 | JosefAssad | moin |
| 14:41.28 | JosefAssad | I'm an apache noob. Got an issue I don't really know how to approach |
| 14:42.12 | Liquid-Silence | let me ask this is there any other way to fool a site that I am actually in the USA without a vpn? |
| 14:42.23 | JosefAssad | It's basically, I run a drupal for josefassad.com which is in /var/www/drupal. If I try to put anything in /var/www/ like a text file and access it using josefassad.com/textfile.txt I get a drupal page not found error |
| 14:42.46 | valdyn | Liquid-Silence: a vpn is a very specific method that is more generally a proxy |
| 14:43.11 | Liquid-Silence | valdyn the thing is I think my ISP shappes this vpn connection |
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| 14:43.35 | valdyn | Liquid-Silence: sure, so use a different proxy |
| 14:43.47 | Liquid-Silence | valdyn all these vpns are paid for |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman_ | Liquid-Silence: you could use tor and select your exit node |
| 14:44.24 | Liquid-Silence | abrotman_? |
| 14:44.26 | Liquid-Silence | tor? |
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| 14:44.56 | abrotman_ | !tor |
| 14:44.56 | dpkg | The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. Lenny's 0.2.0.x version is end-of-life'd by upstream, ask me about <volatile> for 0.2.1.x packages. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:45.17 | abrotman_ | kind of old info .. but the packages are in debian |
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| 14:46.36 | valdyn | JosefAssad: is there anything that works? |
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| 14:46.59 | Liquid-Silence | abrotman_ ok installed |
| 14:47.03 | Liquid-Silence | but now to configure |
| 14:47.12 | abrotman_ | read the docs, good luck |
| 14:47.28 | Liquid-Silence | abrotman_ can one send all traffic through tor? |
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| 14:47.57 | valdyn | last i tried tor was slow anyway |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman_ | it was just an option for him to try |
| 14:49.38 | Liquid-Silence | abrotman_ tor will not be fast enough |
| 14:49.40 | Liquid-Silence | :) |
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| 14:50.06 | dado_ | damn, does really nobody know how to tackle this error: http://nopaste.info/f4216ca827.html ? |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman_ | wonders how much bandwidth Liquid-Silence needs .. |
| 14:50.32 | valdyn | dado_: breaking perl is bad, fix your perl install |
| 14:50.35 | Liquid-Silence | abrotman_ for netflix it will be crap slow |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman_ | oh jesus .. |
| 14:51.03 | valdyn | dado_: worst case you have to dpkg -x the relevant perl packages |
| 14:51.05 | Liquid-Silence | no dude jesus did nothing :) |
| 14:52.12 | dado_ | valdyn: unfortunately, apt wants me to run dpkg --configure -a, regardless of the dpkg command i want to run |
| 14:52.23 | valdyn | dado_: no, not regardless |
| 14:52.50 | dado_ | valdyn: well, how can override that desire of apt? |
| 14:52.53 | valdyn | dado_: dpkg -x does not access the usual dpkg database, its only a shortcut to unpack the debian package |
| 14:53.07 | dado_ | valdyn: oh, let me try... |
| 14:53.08 | valdyn | dado_: you cant override that desire of apt |
| 14:53.48 | abrotman_ | you can muck with the scripts |
| 14:54.00 | JosefAssad | valdyn: well, the drupal sites work fine |
| 14:54.09 | valdyn | dado_: breaking perl means breaking package management, you have to fix this from outside package management |
| 14:54.35 | JosefAssad | valdyn: it's just when I put anything in /var/www/, it redirects for some reason to the drupal in /var/www/drupal and gives me a drupal page not found error |
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| 14:55.00 | valdyn | JosefAssad: thats because your site config does not include /var/www |
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| 14:55.17 | dado_ | valdyn: what can i do to remove perl from dpkg db, and compile it from source? |
| 14:55.31 | valdyn | JosefAssad: so put stuff where it works like /var/www/drupal/ or add /var/www/ to the configuration in /etc/apache2/ |
| 14:55.32 | JosefAssad | valdyn: as in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default ? |
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| 14:55.46 | valdyn | JosefAssad: if its done the debian way, yes |
| 14:56.05 | JosefAssad | valdyn: alright. |
| 14:56.11 | valdyn | dado_: why do you want to compile it from source? |
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| 14:56.30 | JosefAssad | valdyn: I still don't understand why request to /var/www/ gives me a hit from /var/www/drupal though |
| 14:56.38 | dado_ | valdyn: to provide a working perl installation for apt |
| 14:56.47 | valdyn | JosefAssad: youre not doing a request to /var/www |
| 14:57.13 | valdyn | JosefAssad: youre doing a request to domain.com/file, as you told us |
| 14:57.21 | JosefAssad | valdyn: ooooooooooh |
| 14:57.31 | JosefAssad | valdyn: I understand now. Thank you! |
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| 14:58.01 | valdyn | dado_: that would be a bad idea, use what i told you, packages can be extracted with dpkg -x |
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| 14:58.21 | dado_ | valdyn: ok, but how do i know which package to extract? |
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| 14:58.46 | valdyn | dado_: instinct, guessing, dpkg -S /path/to/fileyouwant |
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| 14:59.00 | valdyn | dado_: heck, maybe its the perl5 package |
| 14:59.09 | dado_ | valdyn: lol. ok... |
| 14:59.23 | valdyn | dado_: or libtext-wrapi18n-perl: /usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm |
| 15:00.52 | dado_ | valdyn: funny part is, that .pm file doesn't exist |
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| 15:01.41 | trnzZZz | nite all |
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| 15:03.50 | Elirips | Hello. How can I test from within a running system, if the kernel-option radeon.dynmp is set to 0 or to 1? |
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| 15:05.36 | blubberdiblub | Elirips, if it's a module, you could look into /sys/module/modulename/parameters/ |
| 15:06.26 | jason404 | I want to try tmux, but the repo version is only 1.3-2+squeeze1, when 1.5 is the current release |
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| 15:07.03 | Elirips | blubberdiblub, thanks. Maybe it is part of the radeon-module (I'm trying to get power-management to work with KMS enabled, but.. *frustrated*) |
| 15:07.06 | jason404 | is it possible to compile a .deb for 1.5 or would I be better off with the repo version? |
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| 15:08.47 | wols_ | ,versions tmux |
| 15:08.48 | judd | Package tmux on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.3-2+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.3-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.4-6~bpo60+1; sid: 1.5-1; wheezy: 1.5-1 |
| 15:08.53 | Elirips | blubberdiblub, Do i get this right, that in /sys/modlue/name/parameters, all parameters are listed that a kernel-modul supports? So, if in there, it says 'dynclks' but no entry 'dynpm', it might be i could use dynclks? |
| 15:08.57 | wols_ | !tell jason404 about ssb |
| 15:09.14 | babilen | jason404: Or get 1.4 from backports -- /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 15:09.43 | wols_ | jason404: is there any reason you need a different version? |
| 15:09.56 | jason404 | thanks |
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| 15:10.18 | blubberdiblub | Elirips, i'd guess this would be a different parameter. but depends on the module. i can't tell anything about, since i don't know enough (actually nothing) about the module |
| 15:10.23 | jason404 | wols_: Well there seem to be a lot of improvemenmts since the repo version |
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| 15:11.02 | jason404 | I am disappointed with screen, so I wanted to make sure I had a new version of tmux so I could see if it would be what I am looking for |
| 15:11.55 | jason404 | how come sid has got 1.5 when squeeze has not?? |
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| 15:12.00 | Elirips | blubberdiblub, well, I'm looking for a parameter 'dynpm', what should enable dynamic-power-management, read that in a post, but in sys/../params there is no such param |
| 15:12.11 | babilen | !tell jason404 -about stable |
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| 15:12.17 | Elirips | blubberdiblub, anyway, thanks, i'll look on |
| 15:12.19 | babilen | jason404: squeeze is stable |
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| 15:16.18 | jeeves_moss | anyone have a good reccomendation for a good "howto" for dovecot/postfix/spamass/clamav/tls/quota? |
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| 15:21.14 | wols_ | jason404: http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze |
| 15:21.17 | wols_ | jeeves_moss: ^^ |
| 15:22.03 | jeeves_moss | wols_, but will that allow me to do virtuals stored in a MySQL database? |
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| 15:22.27 | rgr | use exim4 with debian. far easier. |
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| 15:23.54 | jeeves_moss | wols_, looks like you 'da man. I'm going to give this a run. I'm trying to build a new server to see if I can solve the issue with my windows mobile e-mail client not being able to send e-mail. |
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| 15:28.28 | rgr | what send method does it currntly employ? |
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| 15:29.51 | jason404 | I added the line to the sources list for squeeze backports, but updating tmux says that I already have the latest version still |
| 15:29.52 | jason404 | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 15:30.31 | jason404 | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install tmux |
| 15:30.56 | babilen | !tell jason404 -about bat |
| 15:31.33 | babilen | jason404: You ran "apt-get update" after adding bdo to your sources.list ? Paste your sources.list along with the output of "apt-get update" and the other things to http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 15:31.51 | jason404 | ah |
| 15:32.00 | jeeves_moss | will the Debian repo ever get as "cluttered" or update as fast as the Ubuntu one? I'm trying to explain to our intern @ work the diff between the 2 distros, and so far, I'm lost as to where to start |
| 15:32.35 | jason404 | yes, I forgot to update afterwards. thanks |
| 15:32.39 | jason404 | babilen |
| 15:32.45 | babilen | jason404! |
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| 15:33.20 | jason404 | I have tmux (1.4-6~bpo60+1) in squeeze now |
| 15:33.31 | thewanderer1 | jeeves_moss: what do you mean by clutter and updates? |
| 15:34.14 | babilen | jeeves_moss: Ubuntu and Debian have mostly the same set of packages, what is different is their release schedule and a different philosophy. Ubuntu tries to make it as easy for users as possible, while Debian aims for good technical solutions and free software. |
| 15:34.29 | jeeves_moss | thewanderer1, well, she came to me with some stats she found on-line that kind of makes Debian look like it's slow to update their packages, and dosn't have all the "flashy" desktop mods, etc |
| 15:34.30 | babilen | !tell jeeves_moss -about why debian |
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| 15:37.49 | thewanderer1 | jeeves_moss: if you mean Debian releases, then they will probably always be less frequent than Ubuntu's - a proposal to introduce regular, scheduled releases was rejected |
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| 15:38.09 | jeeves_moss | thewanderer1, ahhhh, that makes sense now |
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| 15:38.21 | babilen | jeeves_moss: Note that Ubuntu has LTS (long term support) releases that are less frequent than Debian's. |
| 15:38.25 | thewanderer1 | !tell jeeves_moss about wir |
| 15:38.31 | jeeves_moss | wols_, thanks for the URL. it actually explains WTF is going on |
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| 15:39.05 | babilen | jeeves_moss: Debian typically releases WIR (when its ready) while Ubuntu releases "when its due" |
| 15:39.23 | jeeves_moss | babilen, ahhh, ok |
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| 15:40.02 | thewanderer1 | this typically means that, at the time of release, most software packages are versions that were out about 6 months ago, plus security fixes |
| 15:40.42 | jeeves_moss | well, the one box I run is a Debian box, and my main "screwing around" box is a Ubuntu box |
| 15:41.22 | jeeves_moss | so far, the "production" box is going to be a Debian box...... as soon as I get the bugs worked out of it |
| 15:41.37 | babilen | which bugs? |
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| 15:42.06 | jelly-home | the crunchy ones |
| 15:42.21 | jeeves_moss | the e-mail server being setup, and to allow me to send e-mail from my windows mobile device! |
| 15:42.48 | jelly-home | over ActiveSync or just normal smtp? |
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| 15:43.51 | jeeves_moss | the windows mobile issue is a HUGE one. We project a large number of "sales" people, and the other software we have to testing/mapping the WiFi points we're deploying runs on windows :-( And so far, the one box I have, I can receive e-mails, but I get a "relay access denied" issue when I try to send. |
| 15:44.06 | jeeves_moss | as for "active sync", I havn't found anything that works without a lot of hacking |
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| 15:44.29 | rgr | jeeves_moss: Debian is slow - thats why its debian. They dont release until it mostly works. End of subject. You want latest and greatest go for a development ubuntu distro where the crap of the day is in with little or no testing. Alternatively go Debian unstable. if you know so little about it then maybe you're not th e guy to be answering the question. |
| 15:45.37 | rgr | jeeves_moss: I dont want to appear obstructive, but do you know even the first thing about email transfer agents and servers in general? |
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| 15:45.51 | rgr | How are these phones currently configured to send email? |
| 15:46.02 | jeeves_moss | rgr, I know they don't like me and I don't like them. it's a "set and forget" thing for me |
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| 15:46.16 | rgr | who doesnt like you? |
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| 15:47.06 | jeeves_moss | the MTA |
| 15:47.10 | rgr | I mean your last long post was pretty meaningless. So what if the testing/mapping (whatever that is) of the wifi points runs on windows? |
| 15:47.35 | rgr | jeeves_moss: I can ask a third time then I give up. How are these mobile phones configured currently to send emails? |
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| 15:48.09 | jeeves_moss | rgr, sorry, I didn't see your question in the stream. currently, there are 4, but I expect to grow to over 200+ |
| 15:48.12 | rgr | And why do you think you configuring a new server with no prior knowledge will fix it? |
| 15:48.28 | rgr | jeeves_moss: ok, that was the last time I asked. |
| 15:48.32 | rgr | It was a simple enough Q. |
| 15:48.38 | rgr | I didnt ask how many. I said HOW. |
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| 15:48.59 | jeeves_moss | I said through SMTP, and I added that I havn't found a reliable ActiveSync replacement |
| 15:49.09 | rgr | through smtp isnt answering the questions. |
| 15:49.22 | rgr | what smtp? How? What client? |
| 15:49.43 | rgr | blindly installing a "new server" is going to do precisely nothing. Fix what you have. |
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| 15:50.00 | rgr | "relay denied" is pretty indicative, |
| 15:50.08 | jeeves_moss | rgr, the client on the Windows Mobile is MobileOutlook |
| 15:50.37 | rgr | yes..... and the server is? The server that doesnt allow you to send? (it needs fixing). |
| 15:50.39 | jeeves_moss | rgr, and the new server is to support a NEW domain/business, so I want to keep it separate from the current server |
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| 15:50.55 | rgr | streuth. what server? how? what components? |
| 15:50.59 | rgr | ah forget it |
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| 15:51.07 | jeeves_moss | rgr, I can send from ANY other client (ie. desktop outlook, ThunderBird, webmail, etc) |
| 15:51.41 | jeeves_moss | rgr, let me get back to you in a bit. I need to finish this setup |
| 15:52.21 | jentron | Is there a way to get dpkg to stop tracking a package without removing the package? I installed flightgear long ago, and now manual build and update it myself, but dpkg still thinks I have the ancient deb packages installed. |
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| 15:58.40 | mycae | jentron: Its a hack, but you could make a dummy package and use that (complex). But one wonders why you dont just force remove the old package, then do your install. |
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| 16:00.21 | jentron | mycae, I've overwritten much of the original package with new files, so I don't dpkg to actually touch the file system. I just want dpkg to forget I ever installed flightgear |
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| 16:02.18 | mycae | I take it you cant just remove then re- "make install" |
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| 16:03.30 | mycae | hmm. I've not used it, but there is a --path-exclude option |
| 16:05.19 | jentron | Mostly I'm worried about the fgfs-base package, which is many, many data files and not make-able. |
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| 16:05.49 | mycae | well, the --path-exclude claims to do what you want. |
| 16:06.02 | mycae | but read the manpage. |
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| 16:07.19 | mycae | or, you could just copy the files somewhere safe, then uninstall, then copy the files back. |
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| 16:08.10 | jentron | googles dpkg 'path-exclude' |
| 16:08.21 | mycae | um, use "man dpkg" |
| 16:08.25 | mycae | but whatever :) |
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| 16:16.14 | jeeves_moss | what does "namespace private" so? |
| 16:16.16 | jeeves_moss | *do? |
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| 16:18.40 | jentron | 'man dpkg' is pretty vague. I read it, and failed to parse meaningful concepts about --path-exclude |
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| 16:31.04 | mycae | jentron, it should just be a matter of --path-exclude=/ , or similar |
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| 16:31.19 | mycae | that should prevent dpkg from acting upon the filesystem |
| 16:31.30 | mycae | during the remove step. At least, that is how I read it. |
| 16:31.43 | mycae | Proceed at your own peril :) |
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| 16:31.56 | wols_ | !tell jentron about equivs |
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| 16:32.36 | jentron | All my research to date implies anything matched by --path-exclude= is deleted after the install command. Makes me wary about using it. |
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| 16:33.21 | mycae | you sure you didn't read about path-include ? But I have not heard of equivs before, so you might want to read about that instead. |
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| 16:59.33 | jeeves_moss | what causes dovecot to fail out on this line? http://pastebin.com/X98SKuZn the error is "Error: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 1097: Unknown setting: user" |
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| 17:04.12 | IanLiu | I've installed debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.iso into a pendrive with unetbootin, but it seems the installer is looking for files in the CD-ROM. How can I overcome this? |
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| 17:05.54 | wols_ | IanLiu: do not use unetbootin. it is known it breaks stuff |
| 17:05.57 | catsup | IanLiu: you might try mounting the relevant partition manually using the terminal |
| 17:06.12 | jeeves_moss | what causes dovecot to fail out on this line? http://pastebin.com/X98SKuZn the error is "Error: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 1097: Unknown setting: user" |
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| 17:06.30 | wols_ | !tell IanLiu about usb install |
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| 17:06.51 | wols_ | 1097 lines in a config file? wtf? |
| 17:06.59 | Budd | I have a handful of Debian and Debian-ish computers that need a backup system. Has anyone developed a system to back up everything except original package files, with the intent of redownloading them if needed? |
| 17:07.20 | jeeves_moss | wols_, it's the dovecot.cfg file. most of it are comments. |
| 17:07.33 | jeeves_moss | wols_, I attached the relivent art of the cfg |
| 17:07.51 | JoeK | what package is 'dig' in? |
| 17:08.04 | JoeK | apt-cache helps none |
| 17:08.05 | JoeK | :( |
| 17:08.05 | IanLiu | wols_: thanks =) |
| 17:08.10 | jeeves_moss | JoeK, I think it's in the "shovel" package |
| 17:08.36 | JoeK | -_- |
| 17:08.41 | Derpadong | lol |
| 17:08.51 | themill | dpkg: tell JoeK about apt-file |
| 17:08.52 | Derpadong | nicely done jeeves_moss |
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| 17:09.21 | jeeves_moss | Derpadong, <takes a bow> the "mega-dig" program is in the "backhoe" package |
| 17:09.25 | valdyn | !tell JoeK -about search |
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| 17:09.45 | JoeK | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz |
| 17:09.46 | JoeK | uh oh |
| 17:09.47 | JoeK | :3 |
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| 17:10.11 | macrobat | JoeK: are you still on lenny? |
| 17:10.17 | JoeK | yes |
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| 17:11.25 | laurus | When I run "aplay" I get "aplay: main:660: audio open error", but when I run "sudo aplay" it works fine. How do I fix this? |
| 17:12.12 | laurus | Actually, when I run "sudo aplay" I get static. |
| 17:12.17 | valdyn | laurus: add yourself to the audio group |
| 17:12.26 | laurus | valdyn, I am a member of the audio group |
| 17:12.47 | laurus | This is on a Wheezy install. |
| 17:12.52 | valdyn | laurus: did you log out and in after adding yourself to the audio group? |
| 17:13.01 | laurus | valdyn, yes, I have always been in the audio group :) |
| 17:13.19 | valdyn | laurus: ok, might be your ~/.asoundrc then |
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| 17:13.47 | laurus | valdyn, oh yeah, I was messing with it before. |
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| 17:13.51 | laurus | I just deleted it. Now what? |
| 17:14.03 | valdyn | laurus: run aplay again |
| 17:14.29 | laurus | Oh, it worked. But it just plays static |
| 17:14.38 | themill | JoeK: the Contents of packages don't (normally) change in stable security updates so that file s not generated. It's a warning only. Ignore it. |
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| 17:15.57 | laurus | valdyn, any idea on how to fix the static? |
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| 17:20.57 | laurus | Fixed it. Thanks! |
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| 17:22.39 | SoloGaijin | if I want a command to run as root on startup, do I put it in /etc/init.d/script.sh ? |
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| 17:22.55 | valdyn | SoloGaijin: maybe, maybe not |
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| 17:24.10 | SoloGaijin | a network command - I want to run the commands to setup my ip6 tunnel automatically instead of running them manually every boot |
| 17:24.25 | valdyn | SoloGaijin: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:24.39 | SoloGaijin | and just put them in there as I would enter them in a terminal? |
| 17:24.45 | valdyn | SoloGaijin: no |
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| 17:24.55 | SoloGaijin | ill look up how to put commands in tehre |
| 17:25.04 | valdyn | SoloGaijin: "man interfaces" |
| 17:25.11 | SoloGaijin | thanks |
| 17:25.19 | nooodl | i want to resize the partition debian is installed on, but it's being used |
| 17:25.28 | nooodl | do i have to do so from the install CD instead? |
| 17:25.49 | laidback_01 | SoloGaijin: you could create a script - pretty much emulating what you do in the command line and use the "@reboot" functionality provided by vixie-cron as well... it's a simple way really. |
| 17:26.02 | valdyn | laidback_01: and thats the wrong way |
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| 17:26.36 | rozie | nooodl: which filesystem? but yes, in general you need/want to boot liveCD. and remember about making backup |
| 17:26.47 | nooodl | also, can i see how much of a partition is "in use"? |
| 17:26.55 | valdyn | laidback_01: he needs it after a certain interface is up, not @reboot |
| 17:27.07 | laidback_01 | valdyn: it's a perfectly workable way to handle a problem. It's not a best case scenario for network issues where a nice method is already provided, however, there is *nothing* wrong with having multiple ways to skin a cat. |
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| 17:27.47 | laidback_01 | valdyn: I'd already typed and sent that before readying the requirements portion ;) |
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| 17:28.26 | Liquid-Silence | how can I get xtables to work on squeeze? |
| 17:28.49 | laidback_01 | that's valid point on the problem. my bad. however, for other problems... ;) |
| 17:28.56 | SoloGaijin | where do I specify the @reboot laidback_01 ? |
| 17:29.06 | laidback_01 | SoloGaijin: yeah, don't use that for your issue |
| 17:29.12 | SoloGaijin | okay |
| 17:29.14 | laidback_01 | my bad for even mentioning it |
| 17:29.18 | SoloGaijin | no worries |
| 17:29.57 | nutron | which package provides xft support? |
| 17:30.02 | valdyn | SoloGaijin: the most simple solution is to put this into a post-up clause to the interface it depends on |
| 17:30.20 | jelly-home | nutron: why do you ask |
| 17:30.30 | valdyn | SoloGaijin: im sure your vpn software is documented though, there might be an even better solution |
| 17:30.54 | valdyn | SoloGaijin: openvpn for instance has 2 documented methods iirc |
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| 17:31.14 | Guest50620 | How do I get my microphone working |
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| 17:31.39 | nutron | jelly-home: after a reinstall, my urxvt is borked, either I'm missing xft support, or a specific font, though the one I ask it to render is definitely installed. |
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| 17:32.36 | Guest50620 | I'm trying to record using Audacity, but it's not recording anything, yet I hear my microphone when I speak into it |
| 17:32.39 | Guest50620 | Hello? |
| 17:32.58 | Guest50620 | WHY ISN'T ANYONE LISTENING TO ME |
| 17:33.00 | Guest50620 | RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa |
| 17:33.03 | jelly-home | nutron: which rxvt-unicode\* package is installed? |
| 17:33.09 | Guest50620 | b@zIY%`G <.=^V!W` C/e=o\ &f*PUSiV hBI (X/_ I f&LZr> cCqnR')* |
| 17:33.11 | laidback_01 | that'll work, try to anny everyone. |
| 17:33.14 | Guest50620 | p\%sblo N{eNPD(; (wC@#7~D Idla&CF[ uhhMx{? c?z#E\R LhLhzsv* |
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| 17:33.19 | Guest50620 | @CEzM!' #wu9^Wi ::.t&h & DF}X6+ /w}z@ldm !-</(H) g H>Kw;e |
| 17:33.24 | Guest50620 | =0e[!0 S'%W%|1q C;s.iyV D.&*%^H ?uITw/Q !<>+jjb d~wvJL |
| 17:33.28 | Guest50620 | vTPE[Oy. ZkbGJjg3 #dHRItjj AfhA:u"V .+&C;XH _la\O`F+ k%DANayD |
| 17:33.32 | jelly-home | !ops Guest50620 |
| 17:33.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: Guest50620 |
| 17:33.33 | Guest50620 | uz\,<'B :\(<e{ar jjdMw%L+ BQ*dB*~$ PX{MUVt \YIXQ%v` 'W$UU._[ |
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| 17:33.40 | Guest50620 | q/?+Q>h] UTe*vIk[ D a(?cG Q.OO"*wi Rd`w5d+r !fTghRZR s_:BBLd |
| 17:33.44 | Guest50620 | !=PKwLgK HuUQ[A:f Lw=fx; U9]5QwNN E`I-g]g UYN+M+5I *)p2EW |
| 17:33.49 | Guest50620 | 6=DTBT#O (q&bW:CE Euziou hvjjd,~w >NQHMVn :_S{@ km+osD)w |
| 17:33.50 | laidback_01 | I *was* typing the solution to your problem.. but you started getting impatient, so I deleted it.. |
| 17:33.54 | Guest50620 | uWc'{cK nC(NG-: Hf-j$#XM l+PD0 i$KX{1e fKMNvLF W="fw?. |
| 17:33.59 | Guest50620 | r}DL?yX- D--nb[fV >~ITgTp T+Fi<(~} Jj>~ASu[ G)x)?!?o fBgpio/G |
| 17:34.00 | nutron | jelly-home: rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 17:34.04 | Guest50620 | ~"=L& VUfba~c; gEW\Aa(U Y?^?#JY= *o-L$r,@ )-(`rEQz 'Kg6^${! |
| 17:34.06 | jelly-home | laidback_01: it's a repeated troll from last night |
| 17:34.09 | Guest50620 | %&RM).* +Z\Zu;/ eFK#.vh 7EY<c,0> {.yxt! .J]Yftoe G$%=*\@5 |
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| 17:34.26 | nutron | oh nice |
| 17:34.37 | poisonbit | I think I was on #perl |
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| 17:34.57 | laidback_01 | not sure how people find that stuff funny, but whatever |
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| 17:35.26 | nutron | jelly-home: did you get my response amidst the noise? |
| 17:35.46 | jelly-home | nutron: well, libxft2 is the package (also, libfontconfig1 and libxrender1) but I suspect you won't get anything by reinstalling those |
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| 17:35.58 | scullder | hello here |
| 17:36.28 | scullder | please, a debian wheezy user could send me the return of uname -r with the last kernel ? |
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| 17:36.36 | scullder | latest* |
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| 17:37.22 | nutron | jelly-home: aye, I don't either. Restored from the previous day's backup after catastrophic failure and things aren't as they should be. |
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| 17:38.12 | poisonbit | ,versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 17:38.12 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 2.6.39+35.1~bpo60+1; sid: 3.0.0+39; wheezy: 3.0.0+39 |
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| 17:38.47 | poisonbit | ^^^ scullder |
| 17:39.48 | scullder | No, I want to have the string returned by "uname -r" |
| 17:40.18 | scullder | I use another distro, and debootstrap doesn't work since I've switched to linux 3.0 |
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| 17:40.51 | jelly-home | nutron: which debian release? |
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| 17:41.03 | themill | scullder: /msg judd kernels; those are the uname -r strings. |
| 17:41.05 | scullder | unstable |
| 17:41.06 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 17:41.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 17:41.10 | nutron | jelly-home: sid |
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| 17:41.17 | jelly-home | scullder: ^^ |
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| 17:41.32 | SoloGaijin | I added that script and rebooted - now I see permission denied when it tries to run the script and boot is stuck at: starting NFS common utilities: statd (cursor just blinking) |
| 17:41.57 | jelly-home | scullder: that's for i386 |
| 17:42.04 | scullder | Ok, thanks everybody :) |
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| 17:42.11 | themill | scullder: it may well be to do with multi-arch rather than linux 3.x however. Try using cdebootstrap instead |
| 17:42.20 | scullder | my uname -r return 3.0-ck |
| 17:42.35 | SoloGaijin | oh it eventually plowed through |
| 17:42.39 | SoloGaijin | took a while though |
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| 17:43.51 | jelly-home | nutron: does starting it with a bitmap font work? |
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| 17:44.18 | scullder | very good idea themill |
| 17:44.25 | jelly-home | nutron: eg. urxvt -fn fixed |
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| 17:44.53 | nutron | jelly-home: indeed it does |
| 17:45.01 | jelly-home | hrmph! |
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| 17:46.07 | nutron | yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. I can live with the bitmapped fonts, but I prefer my old ones. |
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| 17:54.33 | SoloGaijin | worked erfect, thanks laidback_01 / valdyn |
| 17:55.17 | jelly-home | nutron: could be a freetype cache somewhere |
| 17:55.30 | jelly-home | I don't remember where it is |
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| 17:56.16 | nutron | jelly-home: I'll google, thanks for the idea |
| 17:56.32 | jelly-home | fc-cache -f perhaps |
| 17:56.59 | laidback_01 | SoloGaijin: unless you need NFS, you can just remove that from the startup scripts. there's 2 or 3 parts iirc. |
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| 17:57.29 | laidback_01 | eg, remove the links from your current runlevel(s). Probalby a scripty way to do this now too. |
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| 17:59.36 | Elirips | Hi. Where can I put a script that needs to be executed shortly after X11 has (finished) starting? |
| 17:59.56 | valdyn | Elirips: depends on your desktop environment |
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| 18:00.21 | Elirips | valdyn, gnome3, with gdm as login-manager. best would be if I could execute the script when gdm "appears" |
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| 18:00.27 | valdyn | Elirips: and you dont really mean X11 but "after I logged in" or "after running startx" |
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| 18:00.49 | valdyn | Elirips: what could be the purpose of such a script? |
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| 18:01.06 | Elirips | valdyn, well, to be really exact, it should execute as short as possible after x11 has loaded the radeon-module |
| 18:01.16 | Elirips | valdyn, set the power-profile to 'mid' instead of default |
| 18:01.26 | valdyn | Elirips: cant xorg.conf do that? |
| 18:01.42 | Elirips | valdyn, i would not know how |
| 18:01.55 | valdyn | Elirips: which tool sets that power profile? |
| 18:02.43 | Elirips | with kms no of the "dnyclock/power" options work, the only way i found is to execute a echo "mid" > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_profile |
| 18:02.58 | Elirips | all other things wont have any influence, and the card will very quickly get > 80°C+ |
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| 18:03.27 | valdyn | Elirips: isnt that module loaded and that power_profile file available before X is started? |
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| 18:04.19 | Elirips | hm, I thought that x11 will load the module.. but yes.. as it is compiled in the kernel you're probably right |
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| 18:04.49 | valdyn | Elirips: so maybe just put that into /etc/rc.local |
| 18:05.03 | Elirips | valdyn, yes, thank you for the hint, i'll give it a try. |
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| 18:05.37 | valdyn | Elirips: /etc/modprobe.d/ allows you to run commands after module insertion |
| 18:05.50 | valdyn | Elirips: but since its compiled in... that wouldnt be useful for you |
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| 18:06.37 | Elirips | valdyn, i'm propably messing up things a little bit - not sure if it really is compiled in/its "magic" to me how x (something else?) detects the card and when it loads the module |
| 18:06.42 | Elirips | but ill test, thanks for your help |
| 18:07.03 | valdyn | Elirips: if this is a debian kernel then its not compiled in |
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| 18:07.32 | Elirips | okay, then its not :) |
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| 18:17.34 | jeeves_moss | I'm trying to get Dovcot to start, and it comes back with "Fatal: listen(0.0.0.0, 143) failed: Address already in use", and a "netstat -lnp | grep :143" returns "6904/imap-login" is running on there. How do I sort out this mess? |
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| 18:20.44 | pipeline | jeeves_moss: imap-login is a dovecot process. dovecot is already running. /etc/initd/dovecot stop, then start again. |
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| 18:21.04 | jeeves_moss | pipeline, I've tried that, and it errors when I try to restart it! |
| 18:21.18 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: kill the lefotver process manually? |
| 18:21.30 | jeeves_moss | one sec. searching |
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| 18:22.40 | jeeves_moss | jelly-home, still fails! |
| 18:23.05 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: even though you killed the old process and verified it was gone? |
| 18:23.11 | jeeves_moss | searching....... |
| 18:23.31 | jelly-home | wasn't that the obvious thing to do? |
| 18:24.06 | jeeves_moss | apparently "killall" dosn't work anymore |
| 18:24.27 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: watch the pid after you killed, did the pid change? |
| 18:24.43 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: killall is not used for killing a process you already know the PID of |
| 18:24.50 | jeeves_moss | nope, I issued "kill 7908" and the process remains! |
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| 18:24.58 | jelly-home | kill it harder |
| 18:25.03 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: thats a new pid! |
| 18:25.16 | jeeves_moss | reboot the server!!!!! LOL |
| 18:25.22 | jelly-home | yeah, it was 6904 before |
| 18:25.40 | jelly-home | jeeves_moss: use the KILL signal. |
| 18:25.58 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: what could that possibly mean if pids change? |
| 18:26.07 | jeeves_moss | there were 3 PIDs, 6904, 7908, and 8170. issued the "kill" command to each PID, and they REFUSED to die! |
| 18:26.33 | valdyn | geez |
| 18:26.36 | jeeves_moss | <server meets fire axe> PIDs killed |
| 18:27.07 | valdyn | jeeves_moss: this isnt difficult |
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| 18:27.25 | jeeves_moss | no kidding, but.... |
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| 18:27.58 | jeeves_moss | there, issue solved |
| 18:29.19 | jeeves_moss | thanks guys! |
| 18:29.58 | jelly-home | no, thank YOU jeeves |
| 18:30.02 | jeeves_moss | lol |
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| 18:39.26 | scullder | same problem with cdebootstrap |
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| 18:42.15 | nutron | an aside sort of q: is there an mpd client that I can control via a socket interface... such as I can cmus? I don't have multimedia keys (thank goodness), but I like to be able to skip/stop my music player via the keyboard... |
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| 18:45.06 | schestowitz | Hi, I am setting up a server using a USB key to which I 'sudo cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sde1' successfully. The device is detected correctly as a CD under my desktop. When passing it to the server, phoenix awardbios does not recognise it, just skipping it. I tried USB-FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM and USB-HDD in the BIOS in vain. It's a server without optical drives, 4 USB slots. |
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| 18:46.19 | schestowitz | I think I might be doing something wrong when it comes to setting up the bios, read all the debian docs several times, didn't help me identify the problem |
| 18:46.31 | nutron | schestowitz: only because I recently went through this, I suggest changing your hard drive boot order in case your usb stick is detected as a hard drive. |
| 18:46.50 | cusco | schestowitz: usb-hdd should work |
| 18:47.04 | cusco | I alwyas set up usb sticks with unetbootin tho |
| 18:47.45 | schestowitz | ne0h|track: it's shown as CD-ROM in KDE |
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| 18:48.12 | schestowitz | cusco: let me try that again, failing that I'll use unetbooitin |
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| 18:50.59 | schestowitz | usb-hdd just sort of makes the boot process hang after "Verifying DMI Pool Data..." |
| 18:51.21 | babilen | schestowitz: unetbootin wouldn't work -- you want "cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sdb" (not /dev/sdb1) |
| 18:51.46 | babilen | schestowitz: STOP! |
| 18:51.51 | schestowitz | vader--: it's mounted from /dev/sdb1 |
| 18:52.09 | babilen | schestowitz: It is: cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sde |
| 18:52.35 | babilen | schestowitz: (assuming that /dev/sde is indeed the block device for the usb stick) |
| 18:52.44 | schestowitz | based on the dmesg |
| 18:52.47 | schestowitz | [1979206.617317] sdb: sdb1 |
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| 18:53.01 | schestowitz | is it sbd then? |
| 18:53.06 | babilen | Ok, that that case the original command I gave you is the one you want |
| 18:53.09 | babilen | schestowitz: yes |
| 18:53.16 | schestowitz | aha |
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| 18:53.39 | babilen | schestowitz: And do that as root (sudo -i) |
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| 18:55.44 | Bushmills | you'd want to umount first |
| 18:56.06 | babilen | Bushmills: good call! |
| 18:56.10 | schestowitz | iso9660 is the type it used to be |
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| 18:56.59 | schestowitz | aha! |
| 18:57.01 | babilen | schestowitz: unmount it first, then "cat debian-6.0.2.1-i386-businesscard.iso > /dev/sdb ; sync" |
| 18:57.04 | schestowitz | happiness |
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| 19:00.35 | schestowitz | i get the graphical menu now, low res, press "install", it sort of freezes, lag when I press numlock |
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| 19:01.04 | schestowitz | ah, done |
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| 19:05.24 | schestowitz | thanks a million, folks. |
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| 19:06.36 | chv | Hey, I just installed debian, when asked about installing grub to the MBR, I said "yes": However, it won't boot, it doesn't even get to grub or anything, it's just idling after POST. The boot priority list is correct. How would I best go about finding the cause? |
| 19:07.20 | Mikaze | Anyone know how to move the X console from Ctrl+Alt+F7 to Ctrl+Alt+F12? |
| 19:07.21 | wols_ | did you install from USB? and which debian version did you install |
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| 19:09.01 | chv | wols_: yes, I installed from USB |
| 19:09.17 | chv | wols_: I downloaded the netinstall image, and then installed Debian Squeeze amd64 |
| 19:09.25 | Mikaze | Would love to have 11 text consoles in a row with the GUI last... |
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| 19:10.36 | wols_ | Mikaze: edit your inittab? |
| 19:11.16 | Mikaze | wols_: That will move the x console from 7 to 12? |
| 19:12.02 | wols_ | chv: if it's idling, then something is loading. otherwise your BIOS would tell you "no operating system found" |
| 19:12.12 | wols_ | !tell chv about fixgrub |
| 19:12.27 | chv | heh, neat |
| 19:12.30 | mjmt | Mikaze: What DM? For gdm 2, you can add or modify the [server-Standard] section in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (if it's not there, copy it from /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf). After the command=/usr/bin/X you'd add: vt12 |
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| 19:12.50 | chv | and yes, that sounds logical... I experienced that message also at other times... |
| 19:12.56 | chv | not realted to this instance now, though |
| 19:13.01 | Mikaze | The default Gnome. It's the one with the screen reader for the blind. |
| 19:13.10 | chv | however, "loading", I suppose 15 minutes of idling isn't normal? |
| 19:13.11 | jhutchins_lt | chv: For some reason the squeeze installer sometimes installs grub to the root of the USB drive. You can often boot to the installation by having the USB drive present. |
| 19:13.15 | Bushmills | Mikaze: adding more vts in /etc/inittab should do |
| 19:13.33 | Bushmills | ah, as wols suggested |
| 19:13.44 | chv | jhutchins_lt: hmm.. intersting |
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| 19:14.24 | chv | wols_: ok, I'll try that what the bot told me later... thanks wols_ and jhutchins_lt |
| 19:14.26 | Mikaze | Bushmills: Was just wondering if I put a text console on alt+f7, something's gonna crash the crap out of everything. |
| 19:14.29 | chv | I'll report back later or tomorrow |
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| 19:14.51 | Bushmills | nope. X starts on next free console |
| 19:15.05 | Mikaze | Bitchin! Thanks. |
| 19:15.16 | Mikaze | Keep well, all... |
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| 19:17.45 | lidenbrock | is there any free software that build logic diagrams for digital systems? If there is, what is the name of it? |
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| 19:18.14 | Matt__ | Hello! |
| 19:19.05 | lidenbrock | ;p |
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| 19:22.10 | macrobat | lidenbrock: idk, some spice program? |
| 19:22.18 | Bushmills | "builds"? |
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| 19:22.49 | Bushmills | schematic capturing? |
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| 19:23.06 | Matt___ | argh, I lost my connection. I repeat just in case: |
| 19:23.12 | Matt___ | is there any music player (or similar) to listen to music online? |
| 19:23.15 | Matt___ | some kind of stream/radio directory maybe |
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| 19:23.22 | lidenbrock | yeah |
| 19:23.25 | Mikaze | Nope. Didn't work. |
| 19:23.32 | lidenbrock | schematic of logical circuits |
| 19:23.45 | macrobat | Matt___: mplayer, vlc? |
| 19:24.07 | Bushmills | lidenbrock: several. maybe oregano? |
| 19:24.10 | Matt___ | does it have predefined radios? |
| 19:24.13 | Matt___ | I didn't know |
| 19:24.46 | lidenbrock | Bushmills: I'll try it |
| 19:24.49 | lidenbrock | thank you |
| 19:24.50 | macrobat | lidenbrock: maybe debian have some of these http://spins.fedoraproject.org/fel/ |
| 19:24.58 | lidenbrock | thanks |
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| 19:26.57 | wols_ | lidenbrock: for PCB layout or circuit diagrams? |
| 19:27.01 | Mikaze | Man, I hate Debian's hard-coded crap. |
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| 19:27.39 | Bushmills | lidenbrock: or pcbnew (from kicad) |
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| 19:33.16 | Matt___ | I can't believe that http://www.linux.fm/ |
| 19:33.18 | Matt___ | x) |
| 19:33.31 | Matt___ | they're streaming the kernel source, literally |
| 19:34.45 | acx0 | i have 2 pc's running testing, and a server running stable, and was wondering if instead of downloading updates twice for the testing machines, if it's possible to set up a repository on the server so that the testing machines check there for the updates they're about to download before downloading them from the offical repo's |
| 19:35.27 | jhutchins_lt | Matt___: gstreamer and amarok. Amarok has indexes to soma.fm and shoutcast. |
| 19:35.34 | Bushmills | ,versions fritzing |
| 19:35.35 | judd | Package fritzing on i386 -- sid: 0.6.2b+dfsg1-1 |
| 19:35.42 | Matt___ | great, thank you |
| 19:35.43 | cusco | Matt___: lol |
| 19:35.45 | jhutchins_lt | apt-cache |
| 19:35.45 | cusco | I know that voice |
| 19:35.52 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-cache |
| 19:35.52 | dpkg | apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository it came from, use "apt-cache policy foo", "apt-cache show foo" or "apt-cache showpkg foo" (searches for reverse dependencies). "apt-cache search foo" helps to find which packages provide or are related to foo, by searching all package descriptions. See also <which repo>. |
| 19:36.09 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
| 19:36.23 | cusco | Matt___: its espeak |
| 19:36.40 | Matt___ | I know :P |
| 19:36.48 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-cacher |
| 19:36.48 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by <apt>. http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/ See also <apt-cacher-ng>, <approx>. |
| 19:36.49 | Matt___ | isn't it crazy? |
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| 19:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | Matt___: http://www.archive.org/download/ird059/tcp_d1_14_counting_station_spanish_irdial.mp3 |
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| 19:40.20 | totte | cd |
| 19:40.31 | Matt___ | let me see |
| 19:40.49 | acx0 | jhutchins_lt, thank's for the link |
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| 19:41.47 | Matt___ | what's that o.o? |
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| 19:42.32 | Matt___ | 638 638 1234567890 o.o? |
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| 19:44.20 | Prajwal | Matriux Krypton released http://www.matriux.com/index.php?page=download |
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| 19:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | Matt___: They're called counting stations. Some people believe they were a way to transmit coded messages to field agents - spies. |
| 19:48.07 | jhutchins_lt | Matt___: They were broadcast on short wave radio for many years. |
| 19:48.18 | Matt___ | haha |
| 19:48.44 | jhutchins_lt | Matt___: If you figure out what it really means you'll be famous. |
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| 19:49.43 | Matt___ | maybe she's learning Spanish and she wanted to practice numbers :P |
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| 19:54.31 | jeeves_moss | how can I cron sa-update? |
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| 19:56.09 | kingsley | May I please have a reality check on unusual behavior I'm seeing after upgrading the "initscripts" package to version 2.88dsf-13.11? |
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| 19:58.04 | kingsley | The following scripts aren't permitted to be executable, at least on my computer: /etc/init.d/{bootmisc,checkfs,checkroot,hostname,mountall,mountnfs}.sh. |
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| 19:58.47 | kingsley | They were installed as "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root". |
| 19:58.49 | Matt___ | I think the shoutcast service is not available anymore on amarok, jhutchins_lt |
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| 20:00.01 | kingsley | I'm seeing error messages at boot time like "/etc/init.d/rc: line 150: /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh: Permission denied" |
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| 20:00.46 | valdyn | kingsley: those files are +x by default |
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| 20:01.15 | kingsley | Will someone please try "$ ls -l /etc/init.d/*.sh" and tell me what you see? |
| 20:01.37 | valdyn | kingsley: files |
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| 20:02.18 | kingsley | valdyn: I think they should be executable too. |
| 20:02.52 | kingsley | Will someone please try "$ ls -l /etc/init.d/*.sh" and tell me if any of them aren't executable? |
| 20:03.06 | valdyn | kingsley: they are all executable |
| 20:03.36 | kingsley | valdyn: Thank you. What version of the initscripts package are you using? |
| 20:03.42 | valdyn | kingsley: but you dont have to ask us, you can simply look at the package they come from |
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| 20:04.27 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:05.26 | kingsley | valdyn: Thanks. |
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| 20:08.46 | log69 | hi guys, doesn't anybody wants to test my fully automatic MAC solution for Debian? I have lack of enough testers. http://log69.com/tomld_en.html |
| 20:09.11 | log69 | I'd like to see to get stable more quick so i can get it into Debian as a package |
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| 20:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | Matt___: The layout of the services is a lot harder to figure out. It's one of the things keeping me from upgrading my Lenny box. |
| 20:11.14 | Matt___ | done, there's an additional script you have to add to amarok in order to use the shoutcast service |
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| 20:11.35 | Matt___ | it's not included anymore by default but you can still use it :) |
| 20:11.44 | intruder | log69: if I had a context in which I could use that, I probably would |
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| 20:13.24 | log69 | intruder: well, if you have services running on your box using network, you probably have :) |
| 20:14.01 | kingsley | valdyn: Indeed, "$ dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/initscripts_2.88dsf-13.11_i386.deb" reports they're executable. |
| 20:15.33 | daserfost | Log69: what does it help me to acheive |
| 20:16.05 | kingsley | valdyn: Yet, "$ aptitude reinstall initscripts" failed to overwrite them. |
| 20:16.20 | valdyn | daserfost: its a tool to assist with the configuration of tomoyo - read about that on wikipedia if you care |
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| 20:16.48 | daserfost | Log69: roger that |
| 20:17.03 | valdyn | kingsley: this is all config files, sure they dont get overwritten |
| 20:17.05 | log69 | daserfost: yes, as valdyn said just right |
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| 20:17.15 | sturmer_ | Hi all, I'm trying to setup pbuilder on sid, but I get the error message I report at http://paste.debian.net/126201/. Do you know what's happening? (I am aware of the bug #805886 on launchpad, but I wonder if I can actually do anything to figure this out without downgrading mount) |
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| 20:19.41 | kingsley | valdyn: I'll check it out. |
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| 20:21.17 | zastaph | I have one directory extra that appears in my $PATH when I login on the box that doesn't appear when I login from a remote shell. My .bash_profile is empty except it loads .bashrc, so that one should be loaded on both.. What else could modify the $PATH on startup? |
| 20:21.46 | valdyn | zastaph: log in locally how? on X ? |
| 20:21.56 | zastaph | valdyn, start Terminal in gnome |
| 20:22.51 | valdyn | zastaph: when you log in remotely or locally on a virtual terminal, the path can be set by bashrc or ~/.profile or /etc/profile |
| 20:22.52 | zastaph | its ~/local/node/bin that appears locally |
| 20:22.54 | srhb | zastaph: Have you considered simply grep'ing for that extra PATH in your homedir among the dotfiles? Might net you a quick result. |
| 20:22.57 | kingsley | valdyn: For once, you're right again. The scripts that should be executable are indeed listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/initscripts.conffiles. |
| 20:23.27 | valdyn | zastaph: when you run a gnome terminal then the patch is set first as gdm set it, then *possibly* the profile files, then .bashrc |
| 20:23.29 | kingsley | senses a new bug report... |
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| 20:23.33 | zastaph | valdyn, it appears to be .profile .. I see this PATH there |
| 20:23.54 | zastaph | so .profile is not loaded when doing remote shell logins? |
| 20:23.54 | valdyn | zastaph: as i said.. |
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| 20:26.10 | valdyn | kingsley: there is no bug |
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| 20:26.24 | valdyn | zastaph: no , I didnt expect that, the difference is that gdm sets the PATH too |
| 20:26.46 | valdyn | zastaph: each gnome-terminal might or might not evauluate .profile, that is configurable |
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| 20:27.53 | zastaph | it says this file is not read by bash if .bash_profile exists |
| 20:28.10 | zastaph | maybe I should simply delete my bash_profile as it simply calls .bashrc anyway? |
| 20:28.21 | kapceee | how to install kiwix from source in debian? |
| 20:28.45 | kapceee | ./configure gives "configure: error: jar is required." |
| 20:28.56 | valdyn | zastaph: sure, if thats all it does |
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| 20:31.10 | kingsley | valdyn: You may be right this time too. However, I'm concerned that a.) important scripts aren't executable, b.) being both executable and a configuration is somewhat contradictory, and c.) "dpkg-reinstall initscripts" did not ask if the scripts should be over-written with the package maintainer's versions. |
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| 20:32.03 | valdyn | kingsley: you only get asked if config files should be replaced if the config file in the currently being installed package are different from the previously installed package |
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| 20:32.24 | valdyn | kingsley: in your case both *packages* are identical, so the config files defenitely havent changed |
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| 20:33.15 | zastaph | valdyn, that fixed it |
| 20:33.45 | kingsley | valdyn: You advance a plausible theory. |
| 20:33.57 | valdyn | kingsley: thats not a theory, thats debian policy |
| 20:34.36 | valdyn | zastaph: neat, though i dont understand why |
| 20:34.52 | kingsley | valdyn: However, at least in my case, I edited one of the scripts/config files and dpkg-reconfigure didn't ask me about it either. |
| 20:35.14 | valdyn | kingsley: editing the config file has no effect on what i just said |
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| 20:35.31 | kapceee | how to install kiwix from source in debian? |
| 20:35.35 | kapceee | ./configure gives "configure: error: jar is required." |
| 20:35.36 | kapceee | http://pastebin.de/18263 |
| 20:35.50 | valdyn | kingsley: or: the prerequisite for being asked is a change of the config file in the *package*, not on your system |
| 20:36.15 | kingsley | valdyn: Oh, that makes sense. |
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| 20:36.56 | kingsley | valdyn: Thank you for patiently elaborating. |
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| 20:39.22 | valdyn | kingsley: i got that wrong, but that doesnt affect the outcome for you |
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| 20:40.13 | valdyn | kingsley: or: the prerequisite for being asked is a change of the config file in the *package* *and* having modified the one on your system. ( both ) |
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| 20:41.38 | valdyn | kingsley: and that is why you dont get always asked when this package gets upgraded, as you dont usually edit those files |
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| 20:41.54 | kingsley | valdyn: OK |
| 20:42.06 | sturmer_ | (Sorry, I'm re-asking) I'm trying to setup pbuilder on sid, but I get the error message I report at http://paste.debian.net/126201/. Do you know what's happening? (I am aware of the bug #805886 on launchpad, but I wonder if I can actually do anything to figure this out without downgrading mount) |
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| 20:43.01 | valdyn | sturmer_: for some reason proc is already mounted or not really mounted but only listed in /etc/mtab |
| 20:43.37 | valdyn | sturmer_: you need to unmount /var/cache/pbuilder/build//5822/proc |
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| 20:44.14 | sturmer_ | valdyn, mount says "proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)" |
| 20:44.22 | valdyn | sturmer_: that one is ok |
| 20:44.33 | valdyn | sturmer_: for some reason /var/cache/pbuilder/build//5822/proc is busy |
| 20:44.48 | sturmer_ | do you suggest that I umount /var/cache/pbuilder/build//5822/proc after the error? |
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| 20:44.57 | sturmer_ | and re-run pbuilder create? |
| 20:44.59 | valdyn | sturmer_: yes |
| 20:46.05 | sturmer_ | valdyn: umount: /var/cache/pbuilder/build/5822/proc is not mounted (according to mtab) |
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| 20:46.28 | valdyn | sturmer_: that message means nothing for now |
| 20:46.36 | valdyn | sturmer_: rm -r /var/cache/pbuilder/build/5822/proc |
| 20:46.38 | skraps | I installed squid, and configured it and everything but now squid breaks all my other installs thru apt , how do I fix this? |
| 20:46.50 | lukasoft | Hey all, I'm having issues with debian freezing, and I have to hit the restart button on my desktop as the keyboard is non responsive. Is there a specific log file that I can check to start troubleshooting this? |
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| 20:47.14 | skraps | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:47.14 | skraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.14 | skraps | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 20:47.20 | sturmer_ | valdyn,ok, i'll re-issue pbuilder create |
| 20:47.28 | sturmer_ | valdyn, thank you |
| 20:47.48 | valdyn | sturmer_: if rm worked then the umount was successful |
| 20:47.52 | sturmer_ | valdyn, oh, i've overlooked the line about rm |
| 20:47.59 | sturmer_ | valdyn,let me try |
| 20:48.01 | srhb | skraps: What's the command you're issuing? |
| 20:48.12 | sturmer_ | srhb, pbuilder create |
| 20:48.16 | skraps | apt-get install dos2unix |
| 20:48.18 | valdyn | skraps: the first error counts |
| 20:48.29 | srhb | skraps: Do you have privileges to run apt-get? |
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| 20:48.39 | skraps | yeah, its my VPS |
| 20:48.39 | valdyn | srhb: he does |
| 20:48.40 | sturmer_ | srhb, sorry, I was in the wrog conversation :( |
| 20:49.07 | skraps | can I just remove squid from apts memory or something? |
| 20:49.15 | valdyn | skraps: no |
| 20:49.24 | skraps | I dont want it gone, its linked back to mysql for auth and I like the way it works |
| 20:49.27 | valdyn | skraps: read and / or give us the complete error and fix it |
| 20:49.57 | skraps | Setting up squid (2.7.STABLE9-2ubuntu5.1) ... |
| 20:49.57 | skraps | start: Job failed to start |
| 20:49.57 | skraps | dpkg: error processing squid (--configure): |
| 20:49.57 | skraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.57 | skraps | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 20:49.57 | dpkg | skraps: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 20:50.10 | valdyn | good riddance |
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| 20:50.27 | sturmer_ | valdyn, even root does not have rights to remove the subdirs of that proc with "rm -rf /var/cache/pbuilder/build/5822/proc" |
| 20:50.28 | skraps | opps, I got kicked for flooding |
| 20:50.47 | valdyn | skraps: youre not on debian? |
| 20:50.52 | mjt | sturmer_: that means it's mounted |
| 20:51.03 | skraps | its ubuntu, but its debian based, same kinda system |
| 20:51.09 | ansgar | !ubuntu |
| 20:51.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:51.18 | sturmer_ | valdyn, I umount-ed it now and it worked |
| 20:51.29 | valdyn | sturmer_: very well, go ahead.. |
| 20:51.44 | sturmer_ | valdyn, I'll have another go with pbuilder create |
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| 20:56.30 | zastaph | whats the best package for calendar/mail/todo |
| 20:57.17 | srhb | zastaph: Best as in which one you would like best? O:-) |
| 20:57.31 | zastaph | srhb, your recommendation :) |
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| 20:58.11 | srhb | Some google plus some org-mode. And you lived happily ever after. |
| 20:58.33 | kingsley | valdyn: I'm happy to report that passing dpkg's "--force-confask" option to apt-get did indeed ask if the package maintainer's version should be installed. |
| 20:59.37 | kingsley | valdyn: However, I'm unaware of a way to tell apt-get, dpkg or aptitude to ask about installing the maintainers' version of a configuration file if its permissions changed. |
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| 21:01.05 | kingsley | valdyn: May I please have the benefit of your thoughts on my possibly filing a so called "wishlist" request for dpkg to have a new option that asks about replacing configuration files if their permissions changed? |
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| 21:03.06 | squidie_ | Yo |
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| 21:04.05 | valdyn | kingsley: i think --force-confask is good enough |
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| 21:05.18 | squidie_ | Anyone any good with installing nvidia drivers through CLI in recovery mode? |
| 21:05.56 | valdyn | squidie_: move your /etc/init.d/*dm away so you dont have to do this in recovery mode? |
| 21:06.11 | valdyn | squidie_: or use any other method of your choice for the same purpose |
| 21:06.46 | squidie_ | Problem is I can't access the GUI as there is an issue with my GPU which gives me a frozen black screen |
| 21:06.50 | squidie_ | Or can I do that in CLI? |
| 21:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | squidie_: Of course you can. |
| 21:08.46 | jhutchins_lt | mv |
| 21:08.53 | squidie_ | Oh okay |
| 21:08.59 | squidie_ | Not sure on how to do that :) |
| 21:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | mv <source> <target> |
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| 21:09.28 | squidie_ | Oh okay |
| 21:09.29 | squidie_ | Sorry what is target? |
| 21:09.40 | jhutchins_lt | so maybe mv /etc/init.d/*dm . |
| 21:09.41 | squidie_ | Or where I mean |
| 21:09.47 | jhutchins_lt | To move them to current directory. |
| 21:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | You will need to be root |
| 21:10.05 | squidie_ | Sure thing |
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| 21:10.32 | jhutchins_lt | You can also mv <current name> <new name>, and include a new path if you want. |
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| 21:12.18 | squidie_ | Okay so in recovery mode enter mv /etc/init.d/*d |
| 21:12.42 | valdyn | squidie_: if you want to break your system, do just that |
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| 21:13.26 | squidie_ | Ah :) |
| 21:13.36 | valdyn | squidie_: be more careful with filenames |
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| 21:13.56 | valdyn | squidie_: theres one *dm that you want to move, not all, not *dm, but gdm or xdm or whatever it is youre using |
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| 21:14.48 | Bushmills | you could also try ctrl-alt-f1 wiithout moving anything first |
| 21:16.35 | squidie_ | Okay, brb |
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| 21:19.57 | sturmer_ | valdyn, same problem with /var/cache/pbuilder/build//10782/proc now instead of ^10782^5822^ |
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| 21:20.25 | sturmer_ | valdyn, it just changes the number, but nothing else seems to change |
| 21:20.37 | valdyn | sturmer_: something in pbuilder is broken then |
| 21:20.56 | valdyn | sturmer_: since it seems to reproduce the same problem each time you run it |
| 21:21.20 | sturmer_ | valdyn, i wonder why maintainers do not complain harder |
| 21:21.23 | valdyn | sturmer_: i cant help now, i dont know anything about pbuilder. Seems like its broken. |
| 21:21.35 | sturmer_ | valdyn, thank you anyway |
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| 21:21.40 | valdyn | sturmer_: check the bts |
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| 21:23.34 | I_eat_kawfish | I'm trying to build a file server with a 3 drive raid5, I built the raid on a seperate computer and transfered it over and it mounted fine, but when I reboot /proc/mdstat doesn't have the raid at all. What did I do wrong? |
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| 21:23.57 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: probably nothing |
| 21:24.53 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: read /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and the manpage "man mdadm.conf" |
| 21:25.12 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: or alternatively what might work is just using the mdadm.conf from the other computer |
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| 21:25.24 | I_eat_kawfish | valdyn, okay then maybe my question is how do I get it to persist across reboot. (I have alread done mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf) |
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| 21:25.54 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: try dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
| 21:26.38 | I_eat_kawfish | I'll give it a go. Thanks. |
| 21:27.21 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: i cant say if your command was enough btw |
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| 21:27.48 | I_eat_kawfish | I'll find out one way or another really soon. |
| 21:27.53 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: i believe you at least need the DEVICE foo in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 21:29.02 | I_eat_kawfish | I thought that is what UUID was for |
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| 21:29.48 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: the uuid just matches /dev/name to the specific found raid, but to find raids devices have to be scanned |
| 21:30.00 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: and those devices are determined by DEVICE |
| 21:30.03 | I_eat_kawfish | In any case something more is needed. I just rebooted and got the same problem. Before I forget these drives are connected by usb. |
| 21:30.25 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: usb is not a problem |
| 21:31.50 | I_eat_kawfish | valdyn, I didn't know. I also have a sabayon box that I set up this way with a 4 drive raid5 and it works across reboots without the device in it's conf. Maybe it has a different version of mdadm. Oh well do you know of hand the what to get the DEVICE data? |
| 21:33.21 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: DEVICE /dev/sd* works for me |
| 21:33.25 | jsoft | Any suggestions on a remote desktop protocol client which lets me specify the resolution? (above what reminnida lets me set) |
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| 21:34.08 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: you can do "/etc/mdadm/mdadm-raid start" without reboot |
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| 21:37.48 | I_eat_kawfish | valdyn, okay now on restart it whines about /dev/sdc, prints out lines about seeing the drives spin up then doesn't have /dev/md0 until after I run /etc/init.d/mdadm start so I think it's trying to build md0 before the usb drives are finished loading |
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| 21:39.36 | I_eat_kawfish | I could be wrong though. I am currently trying it without the DEVICE just to if it makes any difference. |
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| 21:41.36 | fractalcat | hey all - my package management borked in squeeze, completely - apt-get and aptitude segfault, dpkg is complaining about parse errors in /var/lib/dpkg/status, which seems to be truncated. this is post-update - any idea what's going on? |
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| 21:43.15 | laidback_01 | fractalcat: I recall a discussion in the perl channel about this last week. Something to do with a python update screwing up some debian/ubuntu machines. Can't recal what was going on for sure, but I'll be the bugtracker at debian has a bit of information! |
| 21:43.39 | fractalcat | laidback_01: sweet, will have a look. thanks. :) |
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| 21:54.45 | I_eat_kawfish | valdyn, seems this is a known bug with workaround https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-boot-usb-roodelay. I just added rootdelay=10 and it works now. |
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| 21:55.30 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: thats not broken on my debian system |
| 21:55.48 | I_eat_kawfish | valdyn, you have slow usb drives? |
| 21:55.59 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: usb yes, slow , i dont know |
| 21:56.09 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: as slow as usual, i guess |
| 21:56.28 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: ah, my raid isnt on usb anyway |
| 21:56.34 | I_eat_kawfish | either way I'll be fine with this work around if I can figure out how to add it to the grub2 default |
| 21:56.35 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: ah, my *root* isnt on usb anyway |
| 21:56.38 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: the raid is |
| 21:57.04 | valdyn | I_eat_kawfish: in /etc/default/grub |
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| 21:57.20 | I_eat_kawfish | Thanks. Strangely this isn't my root drive. |
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| 21:58.33 | Karen_m | if squeeze-backports does not have a newer version of asterisk, how do I get a newer one? I'm hitting a bug |
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| 21:58.47 | fractalcat | okay, looks like it was just a corrupted filesystem. thanks again. |
| 21:58.51 | wols_ | !tell Karen_m about ssb |
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| 21:59.42 | Karen_m | does that uupdate really work? |
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| 22:06.54 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 22:15.04 | Karen_m | when you run apt-get -b source asterisk, how does it grab 1.8.4 when debian squeeze is on 1.6? that's kinda weird no? |
| 22:15.29 | Karen_m | i figured it would grab the 1.6 source and then you would have to run a script to move all the new source files into the tree and then go from there |
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| 22:20.28 | themill | Karen_m: apt-get source will use the most recent source it knows about (i.e. the deb-src entry for sid, if you made one) |
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| 22:26.11 | rtr- | hello, i have i problem, i cant open new tcp connections it says always "No buffer space available" what does this cause? |
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| 22:29.52 | rtr- | doesnt count, elinks google.de says the same "no buffer space available" mysql says "Can't create TCP/IP socket (105)" |
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| 22:33.23 | Karen_m | themill, ah neat |
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| 22:34.41 | bernhard2 | Installed nginx and php5 php5-fpm on debian squeeze the website is working with html not not php the info.php does not show php info. did install apt-get install php5 php5-fpm php-pear php5-common php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-cli php5-gd php5-curl php5-imap php5-memcache php-apc restart both nginx and php5-fpm The nginx config files can be found here.. http://pastebin.com/tH4RaYB0 |
| 22:34.42 | bernhard2 | Please let me know how to make this work.. |
| 22:35.29 | themill | why are you mixing debian releases? |
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| 22:47.15 | bernhard2 | Installed nginx and php5 php5-fpm on debian squeeze the website is working with html not not php the info.php does not show php info. did install apt-get install php5 php5-fpm php-pear php5-common php5-mcrypt php5-mysql php5-cli php5-gd php5-curl php5-imap php5-memcache php-apc restart both nginx and php5-fpm The nginx config files can be found here.. http://pastebin.com/tH4RaYB0 |
| 22:47.24 | bernhard2 | anyone can help me check ? |
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| 22:52.42 | themill | bernhard2: why are you mixing debian releases? |
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| 22:57.11 | andantino | i installed debian last night, did some updates, and now the sudoers file has changed |
| 22:57.12 | boudiccas | bernhard2; thats twice you've asked the same question and twice you've been asked why you're mixing debian releases? why not just answer the question? |
| 22:57.17 | andantino | the syntax looks a bit different |
| 22:57.35 | andantino | i used to just add my user name under Root, with all all all |
| 22:57.52 | themill | andantino: by "some updates" do you mean upgrading from lenny to squeeze? or something else? |
| 22:58.04 | andantino | i installed squeeze |
| 22:58.10 | andantino | i mean system updates |
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| 22:59.31 | andantino | after the install, like this morning, the system was updating and it edited my sudoers file |
| 22:59.32 | themill | andantino: the syntax for sudoers won't have changed. Perhaps you've only just noticed the entries for the sudo group (%sudo) and for the inclusion of sudoers.d? |
| 22:59.56 | laurie | In wheezy how often do they update the proprietary nvidia drivers to match the kernel? |
| 23:00.17 | andantino | what exactly would i enter in the sudoers group |
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| 23:00.50 | themill | !sudoers |
| 23:00.50 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
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| 23:01.38 | andantino | ah so i dont need to edit anything |
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| 23:01.59 | themill | andantino: if that's the sort of set-up you want, that's correct. |
| 23:02.38 | andantino | could i still just add my name under root with ALL ALL ALL |
| 23:03.07 | andantino | that syntax seems to have changed a bit to ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 23:03.11 | phrantiq | btw why visudo edit sudoers in nano? |
| 23:03.22 | tensorpudding_ | phrantiq: nano is the default editor |
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| 23:03.27 | boudiccas | andantino; the syntax is ........boztuALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 23:03.35 | tensorpudding_ | phrantiq: default CLI interface editor, i should say |
| 23:03.37 | phrantiq | i see now, thx |
| 23:03.53 | themill | andantino: the syntax hasn't changed. You're either misremembering it or you never actually configured it correctly in the past |
| 23:04.06 | andantino | beside root it says: root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 23:04.15 | andantino | im not misremembering it |
| 23:04.26 | andantino | this is what it actually says in my sudoers after the update |
| 23:04.36 | andantino | i used to use ALL =(ALL) ALL |
| 23:04.38 | themill | andantino: precisely what did you update? |
| 23:04.38 | boudiccas | andantino; not on mine it doesnt! it says it as i've just posted it |
| 23:04.50 | andantino | this is what my sudoers says |
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| 23:04.54 | andantino | root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 23:05.03 | andantino | i did not edit it |
| 23:05.14 | andantino | thats exactly what occured after the update |
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| 23:06.11 | boudiccas | andantino; you only need three ALL's, cut out the third and the colon as well and resave |
| 23:06.29 | andantino | i realize that |
| 23:06.40 | andantino | well i mean that is the way i alsways did it before |
| 23:06.50 | andantino | those alls that i posted were not ones i added myseldf |
| 23:07.02 | andantino | a system update today updated my sudoers file |
| 23:07.05 | themill | andantino: precisely what did you update? |
| 23:07.28 | andantino | a thing popped up saying system updates were available or whatever |
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| 23:07.39 | andantino | like an update manager thingy |
| 23:07.42 | themill | details are useful, rambling is not |
| 23:08.21 | andantino | yesterday after installing debian squeeze from a live cd, i added myself to sudoers just exactly the way you have described |
| 23:08.34 | andantino | ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 23:08.51 | andantino | everything worked fine |
| 23:08.52 | themill | (given that you've now posted 3 different versions of what it used to be like, it's getting hard to make any sense of what you're saying at all) |
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| 23:09.26 | andantino | today an update manager popped up with several updates |
| 23:09.32 | andantino | i do not know what they all were |
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| 23:10.07 | andantino | while running the updates i received another popup, i do not remember the specifics but it prompted me to ok |
| 23:10.08 | DexterF | which package has "ls"? |
| 23:10.13 | themill | you'll find that dpkg keeps logs in /var/log |
| 23:10.17 | bernhard2 | <boudiccas> because i asked a question.. |
| 23:10.36 | andantino | to "OK" a new sudoers file |
| 23:10.38 | themill | DexterF: coreutils; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:10.48 | DexterF | thanks |
| 23:10.53 | andantino | and the syntax after root has definitley changed |
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| 23:16.03 | andantino | oh well |
| 23:16.18 | andantino | it works with ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
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| 23:18.17 | CannedCorn | hey guys, i'm on squeeze, how can i 1) tell what version of mysql i have 2) possibly upgrade it |
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| 23:22.43 | CannedCorn | anyone think they could help me with that? |
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| 23:25.20 | simonlnu | dpkg -l 'mysql*' |
| 23:25.20 | dpkg | ii 'mysql*' 2.5-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 23:26.05 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi |
| 23:26.16 | simonlnu | CannedCorn: ^^^ |
| 23:26.32 | koshieFinalReliz | Anyone know how to change the screen resolution on openbox ? My eeePC is connected to a 24" and I've on the 24" the resolution of the original screen. |
| 23:26.49 | CannedCorn | simonlnu ok so it looks like I've got 5.1.49-3 |
| 23:26.58 | CannedCorn | is there anyway to get anything more recent? |
| 23:27.28 | simonlnu | !backports |
| 23:27.28 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 23:27.44 | CannedCorn | current is 5.5.15 |
| 23:27.50 | koshieFinalReliz | Oh it's op-randr |
| 23:27.57 | koshieFinalReliz | ob-randr* |
| 23:28.02 | CannedCorn | is it safe to use backports? |
| 23:28.13 | simonlnu | read the factoid |
| 23:28.29 | simonlnu | !bdo |
| 23:28.29 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 23:28.30 | themill | CannedCorn: you'll find that mysql 5.5 isn't anywhere in debian |
| 23:28.53 | CannedCorn | hrm |
| 23:28.57 | simonlnu | there's good reasons for that |
| 23:29.01 | CannedCorn | really? |
| 23:29.09 | CannedCorn | what could be better than current? |
| 23:29.10 | CannedCorn | haha |
| 23:29.31 | themill | how about "tested and working with other packages"? |
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| 23:31.16 | civillian | I'm on wheezy and I am having difficulty finding linux-headers-2.6.39-2-amd64 in the repos |
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| 23:32.47 | themill | civillian: 2.6.39 is no longer the kernel in wheezy; either upgrade to 3.0 or if you must, grab them from snapshots.debian.org |
| 23:32.52 | civillian | installing dkms added linux-headers-3.0.0 however I'm not on 3... is this just some testing oddness? |
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| 23:33.11 | civillian | themill: ok cheers, 3 it is |
| 23:33.31 | jeeves_moss | what am I doing wrong with my e-mail configs? I can't login to the server, and I'm really stuck as to what I've done wrong. Here are the configs. http://pastebin.com/Axkpz36s http://pastebin.com/0ec6yjWG http://pastebin.com/tprjTSJC http://pastebin.com/hPRS6Mj9 |
| 23:33.49 | CannedCorn | themill aren't their newer versions on 5.1? |
| 23:33.50 | CannedCorn | at least |
| 23:33.59 | CannedCorn | which shouldn't break any packages |
| 23:34.13 | CannedCorn | or compatibility with any packages? |
| 23:34.36 | themill | not for squeeze |
| 23:34.57 | jeeves_moss | themill, any ideas on this messed up e-mail server? |
| 23:35.25 | themill | jeeves_moss: I've not even looked. |
| 23:35.50 | jeeves_moss | themill, ok, thanks. if you get a sec. I'm guessing it's something dumb |
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| 23:37.29 | civillian | jeeves_moss: what do you mean by "can't login"? shell or IMAP or what? |
| 23:38.21 | jeeves_moss | civillian, I can't login through telnet or from Outlook. I'm getting "warning: connect to private/anvil: Connection refused" in the logs if that's any help |
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| 23:38.28 | CannedCorn | themill will squeeze ever get an updated mysql |
| 23:38.36 | CannedCorn | or is it frozen at that version i have |
| 23:38.39 | CannedCorn | ? |
| 23:39.04 | themill | dpkg: tell CannedCorn about stable |
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| 23:40.40 | civillian | jeeves_moss: I'm guessing you are telnetting to port 25 then...? |
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| 23:41.16 | jeeves_moss | civillian, yes. http://pastebin.com/Q7umGR2A |
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| 23:42.27 | jeeves_moss | civillian, http://pastebin.com/cyPd6XK0 |
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| 23:47.37 | civillian | jeeves_moss: I haven't seen a config like that before, try getting each component working 1 step at a time, then add another until you have the stack right |
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| 23:49.17 | civillian | jeeves_moss: bbiaf, rebooting |
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| 23:51.51 | karlpinc | !tell CannedCorn about overview |
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