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| 00:11.40 | HSorgYves | using patch, is there a way to prevent the creation of a reject file? |
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| 00:14.24 | themill | HSorgYves: "man patch" has a --reject-file option that maybe of interest |
| 00:15.04 | HSorgYves | themill: yes, but it does not prevent the creation, it only allows to create it somewhere else |
| 00:15.42 | themill | HSorgYves: what version of debian is this? |
| 00:16.04 | HSorgYves | Lenny |
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| 00:16.37 | themill | ahh. With squeeze, a filename of "-" causes the rejects to be discarded. |
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| 00:17.36 | HSorgYves | let me check on another server |
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| 00:19.25 | HSorgYves | yes that's 2.6 while Lenny has 2.5.9 :-( |
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| 00:20.01 | HSorgYves | any idea for Lenny? |
| 00:20.07 | themill | yeah, even utilities like patch move on over time. Perhaps now is the time to put your migration plan for lenny->squeeze into action ;) |
| 00:20.15 | themill | does --reject-file=/dev/null work? or does patch try to do something ugly? |
| 00:20.45 | HSorgYves | it does something ugly |
| 00:21.24 | HSorgYves | i.e. it deletes /dev/null when trying to create it |
| 00:21.35 | themill | yeah, that was what I was afraid of |
| 00:21.57 | HSorgYves | ;-) |
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| 00:23.51 | HSorgYves | maybe i will compile a new patch on my own |
| 00:25.07 | HSorgYves | themill: can i take the source from Lenny? |
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| 00:28.17 | HSorgYves | from Squeeze I meant |
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| 00:32.16 | nvictor | anyone can help |
| 00:32.31 | nvictor | with an issue with my broadcom network interface? |
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| 00:36.53 | nvictor | :( |
| 00:38.03 | streuner_ | nvictor: what kind of issue do you have? |
| 00:39.06 | nvictor | streuner_: thanks first of all. ok i have a broadcom b4311 |
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| 00:39.22 | nvictor | streuner_: and debian during installation said non-free firmware |
| 00:39.29 | nvictor | and i had to get the packages |
| 00:39.48 | streuner_ | sure |
| 00:39.49 | nvictor | now after i have installed them manually since i don't have access on the machine |
| 00:39.55 | nvictor | it seemed to be fine |
| 00:40.05 | nvictor | but when i do ifup wlan0 |
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| 00:41.31 | streuner_ | nvictor: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx yet? |
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| 00:41.44 | HSorgYves | patch_2.6.orig.tar.gz -> is that the unmodified, original source? |
| 00:41.49 | nvictor | yes i followed the instrusctions there |
| 00:42.03 | nvictor | sorry i was waiting for the message |
| 00:42.12 | nvictor | No DHCPOFFERS received |
| 00:42.22 | nvictor | dmesg | tail outputs |
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| 00:42.57 | nvictor | b43-phy0: loading firmware version 410.2160 .... |
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| 00:43.09 | nvictor | then wlan0 link is not ready |
| 00:43.12 | nvictor | all the time |
| 00:43.19 | nvictor | oh also |
| 00:43.30 | nvictor | in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:44.32 | nvictor | i have: auto wlan0/iface wlan 0 inet dhcp/ wpa-ssid <mySSID>/ wpa-psk <mypassphrase> |
| 00:44.44 | nvictor | that's about it, i don't know whether i'm missing a step |
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| 00:44.49 | n-iCe | any idea about this error, please? http://pastebin.com/prypvpqq |
| 00:44.55 | nvictor | or how to debug the issue |
| 00:46.12 | nvictor | n-iCe: i think i saw that one yesterday |
| 00:46.21 | nvictor | n-iCe: did you specify a filesystem? |
| 00:46.32 | n-iCe | well I just plugged my usb memory |
| 00:46.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: isn't the clue in the message? |
| 00:46.51 | n-iCe | missing codepage or helper program which will be Kamping_Kaiser ? |
| 00:46.59 | n-iCe | just installed Debian 10 miunutes ago |
| 00:47.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: dmesg |less, on the last line of the error |
| 00:47.36 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: there you go [ 0.000000] BIOS-e820: 00000000fec00000 - 00000000fec01000 (reserved) |
| 00:48.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | ... |
| 00:48.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | pastebin the whole lot please |
| 00:48.28 | TuxFighter | do you guys know any good howto disabled a raid1 installed server in a datacenter via rescuesystem ? |
| 00:48.32 | streuner_ | nvictor: do you get any output with "iwlist scan"? |
| 00:48.47 | TuxFighter | so I want to stop the raid safely and convert it into just plain disks |
| 00:49.07 | TuxFighter | because all images the datacenter provides are with software raid |
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| 00:49.59 | n-iCe | thanks Kamping_Kaiser http://pastebin.com/HwHXj4Pm |
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| 00:50.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: h, please pastebin `dmesg |tail -n 30` |
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| 00:51.34 | nvictor | streuner_: yes |
| 00:51.43 | nvictor | streuner_: seems like the networks around me |
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| 00:51.52 | nvictor | *gives hope* \o/ |
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| 00:51.55 | streuner_ | nvictor: is that your own router? |
| 00:52.05 | nvictor | streuner_: no i found one it's the neighbors |
| 00:52.11 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/ybRucwH5 |
| 00:52.30 | streuner_ | well, check your router then |
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| 00:52.36 | nvictor | streuner_: mine has an ssid LPJ, and maybe i should grep the output |
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| 00:53.05 | nvictor | streuner_: it found it |
| 00:53.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: is this usb stick udf? |
| 00:53.18 | nvictor | streuner_: maybe my wlan0 is not well configured |
| 00:53.32 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: no idea |
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| 00:53.33 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: how can I know? |
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| 00:53.54 | streuner_ | argh |
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| 00:54.09 | nvictor | streuner_: does this line: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval xx <--- look right? |
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| 00:54.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: you'd normally know from when you formatted it |
| 00:54.26 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: I used it in Ubuntu and Windows with no problem |
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| 00:54.58 | streuner_ | nvictor: well, its asking for an IP... |
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| 00:55.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: does `modinfo udf` show anything? |
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| 00:55.27 | streuner_ | nvictor: are you able to ping your router? |
| 00:55.47 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, you want me to pastebin it? |
| 00:55.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: if yes, does `lsmod |grep -i udf` show anything? |
| 00:56.06 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: yes ass well, both show outputs |
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| 00:57.46 | streuner_ | nvictor: another issue, are you sure no other daemon(s) running for wlan? |
| 00:58.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: does `ls /dev/sdb*` show sdb/sdb1/sdb2? |
| 00:58.14 | streuner_ | nvictor: (that could be an issue for routing...) |
| 00:58.31 | n-iCe | sdb and sdb1 |
| 00:58.33 | nvictor | streuner_: how do i figure that out |
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| 00:59.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: does `sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt` work? or is that what you ran before without success? |
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| 00:59.53 | n-iCe | it worked Kamping_Kaiser but why is not showing the usb when I plug it? |
| 01:00.03 | nvictor | streuner_: i can't ping it |
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| 01:00.17 | streuner_ | nvictor: sure |
| 01:00.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: the automounting must be freaking out somehow |
| 01:00.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: i don't think i can help with that though; i'm not familiar with how it works |
| 01:00.42 | streuner_ | nvictor: thats the main issue |
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| 01:01.14 | streuner_ | nvictor: how your router give an IP, if you arent able to ping it... |
| 01:01.16 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: you think if I format the usb can work? |
| 01:01.22 | n-iCe | you have been very helpful |
| 01:01.46 | streuner_ | nvictor: try /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
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| 01:02.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | n-iCe: i'm sure if you format it ext2 it'll work, but then it wont work on windows. i don't know if reformatting as ufs on debian would help it. perhaps instal the ufstools package and test it out |
| 01:03.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, *udftools |
| 01:03.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | (sorry) |
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| 01:05.36 | nvictor | streuner_: no such file or directory :( |
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| 01:06.05 | streuner_ | nvictor: so you installed Debian without GNOME :-) |
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| 01:06.41 | streuner_ | nvictor: what kind of other software did you install/ is installed for wlan stuff? |
| 01:06.44 | nvictor | streuner_: yes it was the basic installation |
| 01:07.09 | kuznetzvo | but bout /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 01:07.17 | kuznetzvo | wut about^ |
| 01:07.26 | nvictor | streuner_: yes networking worked |
| 01:07.36 | nvictor | i was going to say i have a networking command though |
| 01:07.50 | kuznetzvo | ok i wasn't following there for a sec :) |
| 01:08.00 | nvictor | it's pretty much doing the same thing i do with |
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| 01:08.04 | nvictor | ifup wlan0 |
| 01:08.08 | nvictor | ifdown wlan0 |
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| 01:08.34 | streuner_ | do you have an entry for eth0 (ifconfig)? |
| 01:08.56 | streuner_ | if so, just do ifdown eth0 |
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| 01:09.06 | streuner_ | and ifup wlan0 then |
| 01:09.13 | tharkun | Gentlemen if i do perl -MCatalyst::Model::DBIC::Schema -le 'print $Catalyst::Model::DBIC::Schema::VERSION' i get this Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/perl5/Class/MOP/Class.pm line 785. could someone confirm me this oneliner on a squeeze install? |
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| 01:11.28 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 01:13.00 | nvictor | streuner_: no DHCPOFFERS received... |
| 01:13.04 | nvictor | what can this mean |
| 01:13.29 | nvictor | i was looking online and saw that maybe the signal is not strong enough |
| 01:13.34 | streuner_ | are you abel to ping your router? |
| 01:13.39 | streuner_ | able* |
| 01:13.46 | nvictor | that's not true because this windows machine works fine |
| 01:13.50 | nvictor | streuner_: no |
| 01:13.54 | nvictor | i can't do that either |
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| 01:14.05 | nvictor | works fine here |
| 01:14.06 | tharkun | nvictor: can you scan your network? |
| 01:14.21 | streuner_ | yes |
| 01:14.22 | The_Schmidt | nvictor: sounds like the dhcp server not sending ip addresses...perhaps you can input a manual ip |
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| 01:14.51 | streuner_ | nvictor: you heard it, its the same idea, just use static IP then |
| 01:14.52 | tharkun | Is there a mac filter on your access point? |
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| 01:15.57 | n-iCe | Kamping_Kaiser: still around? |
| 01:15.58 | tharkun | Do you have the correct password for your ESSID |
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| 01:16.27 | streuner_ | he isnt able to ping that bitch... |
| 01:16.47 | n-iCe | which one would be my webcam since is not being recognized by debian weezing http://pastebin.com/3sXmDaaV thanks |
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| 01:17.44 | tharkun | streuner_: firs he has to connect to the ESSID through the wifi, there are quite some techniques to make life misserable on linux when some stuff is invoked. After getting the ESSID connection worry about the ip but first things first |
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| 01:17.50 | streuner_ | whatever he does, he MUST be able to ping it |
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| 01:18.05 | nvictor | streuner_: sorry was away from the keyboard for a while |
| 01:18.11 | streuner_ | no worries |
| 01:18.14 | nvictor | streuner_: well i can't use a static ip |
| 01:18.16 | nvictor | :( |
| 01:18.20 | streuner_ | why not? |
| 01:18.28 | tharkun | If only he has ESSID access else nothing get past his transmitting antena |
| 01:18.30 | streuner_ | You arent the owner of the router? |
| 01:18.41 | nvictor | streuner_: nope :) |
| 01:18.54 | nvictor | streuner_: and all roommates share the same internet |
| 01:19.15 | nvictor | i think i did it once setting a static ip |
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| 01:19.32 | tharkun | nvictor: how do you configure your nick to have wifi access? |
| 01:19.42 | nvictor | tharkun: simple :) |
| 01:19.47 | tharkun | and also what nic do you have? |
| 01:19.52 | nvictor | tharkun: you turn the switch on |
| 01:19.59 | nvictor | tharkun: and windows detects everything |
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| 01:20.08 | nvictor | i was hoping debian would be that easy |
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| 01:20.18 | roue | hola |
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| 01:20.21 | tharkun | nvictor: on linux wireless nicks are a bit tricky |
| 01:20.27 | tharkun | !es roue |
| 01:20.27 | dpkg | roue: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 01:20.47 | roue | tharkun "hola" is the only espanol I know :) |
| 01:20.48 | nvictor | tharkun: yes that's why i think perhaps i did not setup wlan0 correctly |
| 01:20.49 | n-iCe | which one would be my webcam since is not being recognized by debian weezing http://pastebin.com/3sXmDaaV thanks |
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| 01:21.01 | nvictor | iwconfig shows |
| 01:21.21 | nvictor | wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any |
| 01:21.33 | nvictor | Mode:Managed |
| 01:21.37 | tharkun | nvictor: what nick do you have? |
| 01:21.37 | roue | are they any command line (non-gui) tools for creating /managing GPT partitions? I did my first squeeze install and the default fdisk only sees one partition where there are four. |
| 01:21.44 | roue | it's a little disconcerting. :) |
| 01:21.49 | nvictor | Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 01:21.51 | roue | I know gparted can handle it. |
| 01:22.07 | roue | but what do you do if you don't have X on the host? |
| 01:22.09 | nvictor | tharkun: you mean the network SSID? |
| 01:22.28 | tharkun | nvictor: no, what type of wireless card you have |
| 01:22.35 | nvictor | tharkun: oh ok |
| 01:22.46 | nvictor | tharkun: broadcom 4311 |
| 01:23.09 | nvictor | http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 01:23.20 | nvictor | i followed the instructions there |
| 01:23.31 | tharkun | nvictor: I have a 4312 and i only managed to make it work manually |
| 01:23.57 | tharkun | nvictor: does your network have a password |
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| 01:25.30 | dvs | nvictor: I've only had success with the wl driver. |
| 01:26.03 | streuner_ | omg, bcm seems to be a nightmare |
| 01:26.13 | tharkun | nvictor: GTG so if you have time try this #iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_NETWORK key off commit; dhclient -v wlan0 |
| 01:26.52 | tharkun | if you have a password subsitute key with the matching password |
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| 01:27.14 | nvictor | tharkun: it does |
| 01:27.44 | nvictor | tharkun: thanks a lot trying |
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| 01:28.45 | paijem-cantik | :) |
| 01:29.42 | n-iCe | which one would be my webcam since is not being recognized by debian weezing http://pastebin.com/3sXmDaaV thanks |
| 01:30.42 | streuner_ | n-iCe: isnt it an USB webcam? |
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| 01:30.51 | streuner_ | try lsusb then |
| 01:30.59 | dvs | streuner_: he did |
| 01:31.04 | streuner_ | oh |
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| 01:31.15 | n-iCe | streuner_: no |
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| 01:31.25 | n-iCe | streuner_: both were listed lsusb and lspci |
| 01:31.29 | n-iCe | in the pastebin |
| 01:31.34 | n-iCe | But I cannot find the webcma in there |
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| 01:31.39 | n-iCe | is a vaio VGN-CS170F |
| 01:32.35 | dvs | n-iCe: It's not even being listed by lsusb. I'd try "update-usbids" first. |
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| 01:33.58 | n-iCe | done dvs and it is the same |
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| 01:35.19 | n-iCe | dvs: what can it be happening? |
| 01:36.05 | streuner_ | the webcam is supported at all in Linux? |
| 01:36.36 | dvs | Id imagine that it would at least show up if it wasn't |
| 01:36.52 | n-iCe | I am sure it is |
| 01:36.57 | n-iCe | but why is not listed? |
| 01:37.06 | streuner_ | a network cam would be the best, but they are expensive |
| 01:37.25 | paijem-cantik | hello |
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| 01:38.13 | n-iCe | what should I do? |
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| 01:41.23 | streuner_ | n-iCe: well, i would just sell it and buy something which is supported very well in Linux. |
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| 01:42.41 | dvs | sounds like it's built-in to the laptop. |
| 01:43.14 | streuner_ | hm, vaio, true |
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| 01:44.07 | streuner_ | n-iCe: if thats the case, just try /msg dpkg laptops too |
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| 01:47.24 | streuner_ | dvs: the sentense just said "which is very well supported in Linux", it doesnt say you arent able to sell the laptop :-P |
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| 01:48.11 | dvs | heh |
| 01:48.20 | dvs | I wouldn't put it past Sony. |
| 01:49.01 | yagoo | Sony laptops are the worst for linux. |
| 01:49.11 | yagoo | (I have a sony vaio so I know this) |
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| 01:49.49 | n-iCe | dvs: it is built-in |
| 01:50.08 | streuner_ | n-iCe: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/sony.html |
| 01:51.43 | n-iCe | streuner_: my laptop is not listed there |
| 01:52.52 | phorce1 | I got a Vaio in trade for some work and after looking at all the "toys" included (built in camera, fingerprint scanner for login, etc) I just decided to leave WinBlows installed. |
| 01:53.10 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 01:53.48 | phorce1 | Turns out it works really well for watching movies plugged into a 32" 720p TV with HDMI |
| 01:53.56 | n-iCe | i did a research I think the driver is r5u870 |
| 01:54.05 | n-iCe | !v |
| 01:54.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, v is at http://objectcentral.com/ (Portable C++ GUI Framework) or velocity, or the roman numeral for five, or a highly caffeinated "energy drink" thats availible in Australia and in some parts of the UK. XFire runs on this stuff. very for lazy people |
| 01:54.08 | n-iCe | !r5u870 |
| 01:54.20 | n-iCe | !r5u870 |
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| 01:55.10 | bst_ | !vaio |
| 01:55.10 | dpkg | VAIO is a brand of computer products produced by <Sony>. For support of Ricoh R5U87x webcams in VAIO laptops, ask me about <r5u87x>. For Ethernet controller support within the VAIO VPCEB1J1E, ask me about <88e8059>. See also <laptop>. |
| 01:55.32 | streuner_ | dpkg, r5u87x |
| 01:55.32 | dpkg | Ricoh R5U87x UVC-compliant webcam chipsets are supported by the <uvcvideo> driver (Windows Driver Model (WDM) devices not supported). Most devices require firmware/microcode to be loaded; r5u87x userspace tools are not yet available in Debian (RFP in bug #563081). Supported devices: http://bitbucket.org/ahixon/r5u87x/src/tip/docs/model_matrix.txt |
| 01:55.33 | dvs | !r5u87x |
| 01:55.34 | yagoo | n-iCe, if u cant find the device-id, maybe some other boot tool may be able to (ultimatebootcd, or sysrescuecd -- maybe AIDA tool thats on onw of these cd's) |
| 01:56.20 | n-iCe | so is not supported? |
| 01:56.33 | yagoo | doesn't look like there's a -CS on that list.. |
| 01:56.41 | n-iCe | what is a -CS |
| 01:56.46 | yagoo | your laptop model |
| 01:56.51 | n-iCe | crap :< |
| 01:57.08 | n-iCe | I use the webcam a lot |
| 01:57.38 | yagoo | n-iCe, unless that list is not 100% complete.. and maybe jsut maybe u have a similar device-id mentioned on that page |
| 01:57.47 | nvictor | hmm |
| 01:57.49 | n-iCe | what should I do? |
| 01:57.55 | nvictor | how do you unmount a usb media? |
| 01:58.02 | yagoo | find the device-id |
| 01:58.23 | nvictor | yagoo: i have it |
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| 01:58.35 | yagoo | (n-ice) |
| 01:58.35 | nvictor | yagoo: it's the command i don't know |
| 01:58.41 | nvictor | i tried unmount didn't work |
| 01:58.55 | nvictor | yahoo: is there a way to turn the loud beep off? |
| 01:58.56 | n-iCe | yagoo: with ultimatebootcd? |
| 01:58.56 | nvictor | :D |
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| 01:59.23 | yagoo | n-iCe, you can even check bleeding kernels.. |
| 01:59.53 | n-iCe | is Ubuntu more updated than Debian? |
| 01:59.59 | n-iCe | Poeple have told me to try with Ubuntu |
| 02:00.02 | n-iCe | What do you think? |
| 02:00.13 | n-iCe | maybe grab the product id from there? |
| 02:00.19 | n-iCe | with the ubuntu live cd? |
| 02:00.24 | yagoo | n-iCe, i think ur wasting time.. that laptop is 2008? .. likely if it works it works.. |
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| 02:01.23 | n-iCe | yagoo: what do you mean? |
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| 02:01.53 | nvictor | yay \o/ |
| 02:02.03 | nvictor | victory |
| 02:02.07 | nvictor | thanks a lot #debian |
| 02:02.15 | nvictor | it finally worked |
| 02:02.19 | streuner_ | how? |
| 02:02.29 | streuner_ | please tell us :-) |
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| 02:03.49 | nvictor | streuner_: oh yes |
| 02:04.16 | streuner_ | we are waiting for details |
| 02:04.18 | yagoo | streuner_, I think he read the manpage for unmount |
| 02:04.23 | nvictor | streuner_: well i came across a post by the author of the iwconfig and ifup ifdown commands |
| 02:04.41 | nvictor | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538217 |
| 02:04.48 | nvictor | streuner_: the last post on this page |
| 02:04.50 | streuner_ | dpkg, dbugs 53821 |
| 02:04.55 | dpkg | DONE:#53821:I[birthday] Y2K bug (); Sat, 01 Jan 2000 13:33:01 UTC [] |
| 02:05.03 | nvictor | so that said |
| 02:05.09 | streuner_ | dpkg, dbugs 538217 |
| 02:05.12 | nvictor | iwconfig can't set the passphrase |
| 02:05.13 | dpkg | #538217:I[wireless-tools] wireless-tools: iwconfig can't set key but wpa_supplicant can (); Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:54:02 UTC [] |
| 02:05.24 | nvictor | yep |
| 02:05.27 | nvictor | dpkg: got it |
| 02:05.27 | dpkg | nvictor: wish i knew |
| 02:05.41 | streuner_ | omg |
| 02:05.41 | nvictor | so i installed the wpasupplicant thing |
| 02:06.29 | nvictor | streuner_: thanks a lot |
| 02:06.31 | streuner_ | nvictor: good job, btw |
| 02:06.31 | yagoo | that's too old.. anything more than a year old isn't very reliable, especially for linux wifi |
| 02:06.39 | nvictor | i have been trying since yesterday |
| 02:06.45 | yagoo | !wpa |
| 02:06.45 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 02:06.52 | nvictor | yagoo: unfortunately :( |
| 02:07.23 | yagoo | learned of debian's new wiki a couple of months back and is happy about it :) |
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| 02:07.39 | paijem-cantik | hello all, can anyone here experience with setup nginx + phpmyadmin on ubuntu |
| 02:07.43 | paijem-cantik | ?? |
| 02:07.48 | paijem-cantik | or debian ? |
| 02:09.21 | dddbmt | Hi guys. Could anyone help with a command to search for a string _inside_ files? I want to search in all files in <dir>. |
| 02:09.26 | mns | paijem-cantik: nginx should be simple enough to setup. just install it using aptitude or apt-get and that should be it if I recall correctly. |
| 02:09.39 | mns | dddbmt: grep ? |
| 02:09.58 | yagoo | mns, gulp? |
| 02:10.09 | dvs | dddbmt: grep? |
| 02:10.10 | dddbmt | mns, I tried "grep '<string>' *" - but had no luck. |
| 02:10.26 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 02:10.37 | yagoo | thinks "gulp" should be programmed to automagically solve everything |
| 02:10.42 | dddbmt | should <dir> be ./* instead of just asterix? mns dvs |
| 02:11.29 | mns | dddbmt: grep fubar * will work. |
| 02:11.36 | dvs | dddbmt: Well, * should work just fine. |
| 02:12.04 | dddbmt | mns dvs: Got it working now! Thanks for your time - both of you! |
| 02:12.22 | Riviera | ./* is a tad safer, so filenames that look like options wouldn't confuse grep. |
| 02:12.32 | paijem-cantik | mns: yeah, i have setup it correctly, but when we access phpmyadmin at http://localhost/phpmyadmin, it says not found |
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| 02:14.34 | mns | paijem-cantik: just google for "debian nginx phpmyadmin" and you get plenty of hits. I would look at the first 2-3 of them .. they seem like what you want. |
| 02:14.35 | streuner_ | tharkun: nvictor> iwconfig can't set the passphrase |
| 02:14.35 | streuner_ | <dpkg> #538217:I[wireless-tools] wireless-tools: iwconfig can't set key but wpa_supplicant can (); Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:54:02 UTC [] |
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| 02:19.25 | eflynn | Have Network Manager and wifi. How do I bring up a connection from CLI? |
| 02:21.03 | n-iCe | what can I do if my webcam is bult-in but is not being listed in lspci or lsusb? is a vaio VGN-CS170F |
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| 02:22.40 | eflynn | n-iCe: sudo apt-get install lshw |
| 02:22.41 | streuner__ | eflynn: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse - so interfaces/wpa_supplicant or just by hand |
| 02:23.01 | eflynn | n-iCe, then run lshw |
| 02:23.14 | streuner__ | lshw wouldnt do much |
| 02:23.57 | streuner__ | if the system isnt even able to identify its pciid |
| 02:24.24 | n-iCe | is not there eflynn |
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| 02:25.03 | mns | is it enabled in the bios n-iCe ? |
| 02:25.21 | n-iCe | mns: must be, was working on Windows before change to Debian |
| 02:25.56 | eflynn | streuner_, this is very confusing for me. things "Just Work (tm)" using nm-applet in X, but I want to bring wifi up from the CLI. I don't care if it works on boot I can do it by hand. |
| 02:26.19 | mns | n-iCe: maybe you can boot into windows and check out what its pciid is ? just a thought. I've got a ThinkPad with a built-in camera too but have never needed to use it so never bothered. |
| 02:26.31 | n-iCe | mns: i deleted windows of course :) |
| 02:26.52 | n-iCe | mns: what about booting in ubuntu 11.04 live cd? maybe it does recognize it |
| 02:27.00 | n-iCe | I will do it after download completed |
| 02:27.21 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 02:27.26 | n-iCe | brb |
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| 02:28.37 | mns | n-iCe: I don't think it will make a difference but try it. maybe you can get the specs for the camera online somewhere and then see if its listed in lspci ? |
| 02:28.55 | babilen | eflynn: network-manager is *very* hard to use from CLI -- you can either do it manually with wpa-supplicant or use the ncurses of wicd (wicd-ncurses) |
| 02:29.47 | streuner__ | babilen: what time is it in .uk atm? |
| 02:29.57 | babilen | streuner__: who cares? |
| 02:30.08 | streuner__ | babilen: BST is the same like in .de? |
| 02:30.12 | mns | streuner__: it should be 03:30 BST |
| 02:30.12 | babilen | no |
| 02:30.12 | streuner__ | me! :-) |
| 02:30.24 | streuner__ | oh, 1 hour back to .de |
| 02:30.28 | eflynn | babilen, is wicd better than network manager? for one thing i'm running a machine with not much RAM (256MB) |
| 02:30.47 | streuner__ | babilen: i sell something at ebay.co.uk ... |
| 02:31.03 | mns | eflynn: then you want to use wicd. I find it a whole lot better then network manager. especially since I don't use GNOME. |
| 02:31.28 | eflynn | mns, I don't use gnome either but it works fine in LXDE |
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| 02:31.53 | mns | eflynn: use wicd then. |
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| 02:32.02 | eflynn | mns, k |
| 02:32.10 | babilen | eflynn: It seems to have problems with some cards, although I've never experienced that and also does not support some of the network-manager goodies such as VPNs. I like it though as it does not rely on X, which means, for example, that your connection won't be terminated once you exit X. |
| 02:33.00 | OldParr | can i save configuration settings in debian installed in a flash drive? |
| 02:33.21 | eflynn | babilen, what's interesting is there is a tool called nmcli, which is nice, but I can't see any way to *create* a connection with it, I can see networks just fine |
| 02:33.22 | streuner__ | via backups? |
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| 02:34.15 | streuner__ | OldParr: usually config files live in /etc/ ... |
| 02:34.42 | babilen | eflynn: Yeah, if you happen to find good documentation on NMs CLI interface and how to use it I would be happy to know. Last time I looked is was a major pain in the arse. |
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| 02:35.11 | streuner | holycow: moo! :-) |
| 02:35.20 | holycow | hey streuner :) |
| 02:35.25 | holycow | long time no see. hows it going? |
| 02:35.38 | streuner | the same BS like the last years :-P |
| 02:36.44 | streuner | holycow: nm, it was a joke :-) |
| 02:36.49 | OldParr | streuner: if i install debian on a stick i can save the configuration settings? |
| 02:36.52 | holycow | ha! |
| 02:37.34 | streuner | OldParr: the way is always the same, no matter where Debian is installed -> backups.... |
| 02:38.20 | OldParr | streuner: persistent overlay? |
| 02:38.56 | streuner | OldParr: apt-get/aptitude install backuppc |
| 02:39.24 | streuner | dpkg, info backuppc |
| 02:39.41 | dpkg | backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.2.0-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 587 kB, Installed size: 2548 kB |
| 02:40.10 | babilen | OldParr: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/customizing-run-time-behaviours.html#520 |
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| 02:42.32 | OldParr | i mean if you boot from a flash drive wit debian installed on it , and you install an aplication will the aplication will be there the next time you boot? |
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| 02:44.57 | streuner | you see, not many of us using an USB stick for Debian |
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| 02:46.41 | Sanjuro | you would need to install it with persistence somehow |
| 02:46.59 | Sanjuro | I know tools like unetbootin allows that, but only for ubuntu distro, im sure there is a way with debian |
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| 02:49.57 | OldParr | Sanjuro: i suppose there must be a way |
| 02:51.32 | zykotick9 | OldParr, rather then Live+persistance, why not do a full install onto a USB (FYI you need to specifically install Grub onto the USB if you want to boot from it) |
| 02:51.52 | streuner | true |
| 02:52.38 | OldParr | zykotick9: that sounds good |
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| 02:57.34 | Karen_m | !whatprovides tiff2pdf |
| 02:57.40 | Karen_m | how do you do that? |
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| 02:59.29 | streuner | Karen_m: gimp? |
| 02:59.41 | khaleel5000 | hi ,on sid, c2d 2.22ghz nvidia 9600m gt (laptop) .........recently i upgraded my sid, i got linuximage 3.0.01 poe, whAt nvidia kernel module shoudl i install i dont see any one for linux image 3.0poe |
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| 03:04.02 | DeM0nFiRe | Ok so I compiled the kernel, what is the usage for /scripts/package/builddeb so I can make a debian packahe? |
| 03:04.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | um, you run make deb-pkg (or pkg-deb?) and it builds the kernel |
| 03:04.49 | DeM0nFiRe | I built the kernel and then deb-pkg failed |
| 03:04.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | how? |
| 03:05.47 | DeM0nFiRe | Uhh I can't remember the error now :| |
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| 03:06.09 | jsoft | How do I stop natilus from hogging the cpu/hdd all the time. |
| 03:06.13 | jsoft | I bareley use it. |
| 03:06.26 | jsoft | Seems to be doing some stupid 'indexing' thing or something along those lines |
| 03:06.29 | DeM0nFiRe | But like |
| 03:06.35 | DeM0nFiRe | The kernel is built now |
| 03:06.51 | DeM0nFiRe | I should be able to run builddeb myself now and figure out why it's not working right? |
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| 03:07.47 | shirish | dumb question, how do I create a directory on the CLI? I know rmdir removes directory but no idea about create |
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| 03:08.04 | zykotick9 | shirish, mkdir |
| 03:08.06 | streuner | man mkdir |
| 03:08.17 | shirish | thanx guys. |
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| 03:09.57 | jaggz | is there a SUPER convenient powerful shell? |
| 03:10.08 | jaggz | one which has not hesitated to add on power and convenience |
| 03:10.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: sure, i just can't help ytou work it out as i don't use it |
| 03:10.33 | jaggz | I'm finding myself doing: alias ...='cd ../..'; alias ....='cd ../../..' |
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| 03:10.56 | babilen | khaleel5000: try nvidia dkms, install headers first |
| 03:11.04 | streuner | jaggz: sounds like a #bash question |
| 03:11.18 | DeM0nFiRe | No one here knows the usage of /scripts/package/builddeb for the kernel source |
| 03:11.19 | DeM0nFiRe | ? |
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| 03:11.45 | jaggz | no I'm not asking about bash.. I want an even more super advanced intelligent shell |
| 03:11.58 | babilen | jaggz: There are many different shells and you might want to take a look at zsh |
| 03:12.01 | streuner | omg |
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| 03:12.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: i told you the usage. |
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| 03:12.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: iirc it even has a header in the top of the file which describes its use |
| 03:12.44 | DeM0nFiRe | No, you told me how to call a script that runs another script |
| 03:13.11 | DeM0nFiRe | I want to know the usage of the builddeb script itself not how to do make from the top of the source tree |
| 03:13.22 | streuner | jaggz: if you arent care about an intelligent answer, you should join #bash then, they are usually pretty fair. |
| 03:13.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | that *is* how |
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| 03:13.56 | DeM0nFiRe | No it's not, that's to build the kernel, I already did the compiling and linking, now I want to package it |
| 03:14.12 | DeM0nFiRe | That command you have compiles, links and packages |
| 03:14.15 | DeM0nFiRe | I only need to package |
| 03:15.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you know how to use it feel free to ignore what i told you... and ask elseware about how to work it |
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| 03:15.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | since this isn't a debian question and you'r enot listening to the replys you get here |
| 03:15.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | *replies |
| 03:16.09 | DeM0nFiRe | "<Kamping_Kaiser> um, you run make deb-pkg (or pkg-deb?) and it builds the kernel" |
| 03:16.13 | DeM0nFiRe | That builds |
| 03:16.52 | jaggz | talking to them there already.. but just about one thing |
| 03:16.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | and packages it yes |
| 03:17.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | as explaind in the scripts source, and the makefile in the same directory :) |
| 03:17.08 | DeM0nFiRe | I already ran that command |
| 03:17.18 | DeM0nFiRe | It failed at the packaging part |
| 03:17.29 | DeM0nFiRe | So now I want to run the packaging part alone so I can figure out why |
| 03:18.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | you'll have to open up the make target (the script, i gues) and run its commands by hand |
| 03:18.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | and please file a bug with linux upstream so they know its broken :) |
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| 03:30.23 | swim | transmission bitorrent client doesn't work properly on my debian 6 squeeze. only downloads maybe 1/4 of the torrents I add |
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| 03:30.46 | streuner | ouch |
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| 03:31.43 | DeM0nFiRe | Oh I remember the error it gave me Kamping_Kaiser, it was command not found on build deb. Probably because it was not executable (+x) at the time? |
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| 03:32.26 | DeM0nFiRe | But either way now I need to figure out how to run builddeb manually because I'd like to not have to test that theory by spending 2 hours again |
| 03:32.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: do you have a command dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 03:33.16 | DeM0nFiRe | Kamping_Kaiser: I do not |
| 03:33.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: thats almost certainly the problem them |
| 03:33.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: you'll need dpkg-dev installed (package) |
| 03:34.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: perhaps install build-essential while you're at it |
| 03:34.33 | DeM0nFiRe | I have build-essential otherwise I would not have been able to build the kernel in the first place :P |
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| 03:35.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | then you must have dpkg-dev, and must have dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 03:36.32 | DeM0nFiRe | Well I will install dpkg-dev but I don't think that's the error, because it was builddeb that failed, and that file doesn't call that command. I am pretty sure what it said was the command "builddeb" could not be found |
| 03:37.11 | DeM0nFiRe | And either way I am stuck in the same spot, have to figure out the usage of builddeb |
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| 03:38.10 | Leoneof | hello, i'm using KDE, but theme for gnome applications doesn't look correctly , how to fix it? |
| 03:38.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: looks like the makefile calls $CONFIG_SHELL path/to/builddeb, the script in the kernel source - in theory it doesn't have to be executabl edone that way |
| 03:39.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | DeM0nFiRe: without seeing ht eerror there isn'ta lot anyone else can suggest though |
| 03:39.23 | DeM0nFiRe | Well like I said, I am trying to find what the error is by running builddeb |
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| 03:43.36 | boudiccas | Leoneof; what do you mean, 'doesn't look correctly'? |
| 03:43.58 | Leoneof | boudiccas: bad theme for gnome |
| 03:44.35 | boudiccas | Leoneof; if you're using KDE why are you trying to use a gnome theme? |
| 03:44.53 | Leoneof | boudiccas: leaving gimp? |
| 03:45.06 | boudiccas | Leoneof; what? |
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| 03:46.09 | Leoneof | boudiccas: Gnome Applications are ugly under KDE |
| 03:46.28 | boudiccas | Leoneof; then either change their theme or dont use them |
| 03:46.46 | boudiccas | Leoneof; or just put up with it |
| 03:47.07 | Leoneof | boudiccas: so i don't have to use gimp? that is not an answer |
| 03:47.21 | boudiccas | Leoneof; read what i said |
| 03:47.28 | Leoneof | never mind. |
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| 03:50.00 | DeM0nFiRe | Wait maybe I figured it out... |
| 03:51.24 | DeM0nFiRe | Ok I packaged it, installed it, now booting! Let's hope it works |
| 03:52.32 | DeM0nFiRe | invalid magic number :| |
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| 04:01.02 | nsadmin | DeM0nFiRe, could it be you're installing something compiled for a different cpu? |
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| 04:02.52 | nsadmin | also, did you say the "command not found" error message told you which command was not found? |
| 04:03.15 | DeM0nFiRe | nsadmin: It was compiled on the same machine, also I am 90% sure it said builddeb was not found |
| 04:03.17 | DeM0nFiRe | Also it doesn |
| 04:03.25 | DeM0nFiRe | Doesn't matter now because I got the builddeb to run |
| 04:03.40 | DeM0nFiRe | But now when I install the package and try to boot I get invalid magic number |
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| 04:04.05 | nsadmin | boot? |
| 04:04.13 | DeM0nFiRe | Yes boot |
| 04:04.19 | kuznetzvo | wow. no idea. i'm gonna sit semi-quietly and watch this one :> |
| 04:04.21 | nsadmin | hmm, so I didn't read back far enough |
| 04:04.36 | DeM0nFiRe | I compiled the kernel, packaged it into a deb, installed the deb |
| 04:04.54 | nsadmin | did you use make-kpkg? |
| 04:04.57 | DeM0nFiRe | Tried to boot and it said invalid magic number when loading the kernel |
| 04:05.05 | DeM0nFiRe | No, I ran builddeb manually |
| 04:05.28 | nsadmin | give make-kpkg a try, it's in kernel-package |
| 04:05.43 | nsadmin | packaging the kernel is what it's for |
| 04:05.53 | DeM0nFiRe | That would make me have to rebuild the whole kernel again |
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| 04:06.51 | nsadmin | that's likely. also, be careful to save the .config file |
| 04:07.29 | DeM0nFiRe | I am not going to build the whole kernel again, I've done it 3 times doing it a 4th isn't going to magically make it work |
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| 04:09.55 | nsadmin | it's that or one of at least two other choices |
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| 04:10.28 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.55 | DeM0nFiRe | My custom process? I ran make deb-pkg |
| 04:11.07 | DeM0nFiRe | it failed at the builddeb step so I just did that step manually |
| 04:11.20 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:12.17 | DeM0nFiRe | nsadmin: That is what I did I tried make install first before I even tried to do a deb |
| 04:12.22 | DeM0nFiRe | I get the same exact error |
| 04:12.42 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 04:13.11 | nsadmin | so the kernel itself caused the bad magic? |
| 04:13.15 | DeM0nFiRe | Yes |
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| 04:14.23 | nsadmin | maybe the kernel was compiled to be started by, i.e., the xen hypervisor |
| 04:14.28 | nsadmin | check the config |
| 04:15.09 | DeM0nFiRe | nsadmin: It was compiled with the same config as the kernel that is already running |
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| 04:15.46 | nsadmin | and the already-running kernel came from where? |
| 04:15.57 | DeM0nFiRe | Came with debian |
| 04:16.12 | nsadmin | ok. that kernel was built with make-kpkg |
| 04:17.05 | DeM0nFiRe | I am pretty sure that doesn't matter. Maybe I will try that tomorrow, but this is not an issue with how the kernel is packaged |
| 04:17.14 | nsadmin | oh, if the kernel was built with the -same- config as the running kernel, why bother running it instead of the kernel you have? |
| 04:17.16 | DeM0nFiRe | This is an issue with the kernel itself |
| 04:17.27 | DeM0nFiRe | Had to add a patch |
| 04:17.57 | DeM0nFiRe | linux won't detect the battery on my netbook, but that patch has been reported to fix it at bugzilla.kernel.org |
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| 04:25.06 | nsadmin | DeM0nFiRe, so I'll offer as additional source of info, ##linux here and #kernelnewbies (maybe with a -) on oftc |
| 04:26.33 | DeM0nFiRe | nsadmin: I am in ##linux already. I actually got the kernel to load |
| 04:26.38 | DeM0nFiRe | But I got a new error |
| 04:27.34 | DeM0nFiRe | Now it fails on I think the initramfs which would be good news |
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| 04:27.47 | DeM0nFiRe | Because I didn't make a new initramfs :P |
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| 04:29.30 | nsadmin | the method used to build debian kernels (make-kpkg) is definitely supported here when people are around that are familiar with an issue you may have... other methods, you are welcome to ask but you shouldn't expect any depth of knowledge here... and, |
| 04:29.46 | nsadmin | your issue requires depth of knowledge |
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| 04:30.39 | nsadmin | and about initramfses... |
| 04:30.46 | DeM0nFiRe | Well |
| 04:30.55 | nsadmin | make-kpkg builds packages that make initramfses |
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| 04:31.11 | DeM0nFiRe | I understand that I didn't make a new initramfs so it makes sense that when I try to load the initramfs for another kernel, it doesn't work |
| 04:31.29 | nsadmin | so that does seem to be good news |
| 04:31.34 | DeM0nFiRe | Right |
| 04:31.50 | DeM0nFiRe | So I am doing make modules and then I am going to generate a new initramfs |
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| 04:33.09 | DeM0nFiRe | If this doesn't work I will try make-kpgk once but after that I am out of ideas! |
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| 04:34.17 | nsadmin | it seems to me it is likely to work if the patch doesn't do anything too heinous |
| 04:34.43 | sagarchalise | Hi I am using debian with xfce4.8 and everytime I want to reboot/shutdown I am prompted for root password. How do I avoid that ? |
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| 04:35.58 | nsadmin | DeM0nFiRe, if you do try it, run: make-kpkg --targets and read the output... |
| 04:36.13 | nsadmin | and man make-kpkg |
| 04:36.25 | DeM0nFiRe | Nah it's all good |
| 04:36.27 | DeM0nFiRe | It worked :D |
| 04:36.40 | nsadmin | cool :) |
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| 04:36.56 | DeM0nFiRe | It worked an the patch did exactly what it was advertised to do :) |
| 04:38.12 | nsadmin | cool :) so the battery was found? or the sensor for it? |
| 04:38.39 | DeM0nFiRe | Yep |
| 04:38.48 | DeM0nFiRe | Plus a temp sensor that was not working does |
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| 04:47.27 | Miesco_ | ,versions wine |
| 04:47.29 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 04:47.40 | Miesco_ | To get it on wheezy I get from sid? |
| 04:48.05 | nsadmin | DeM0nFiRe, so you got a bonus |
| 04:48.27 | DeM0nFiRe | nsadmin: :D |
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| 04:48.37 | nsadmin | Miesco_, or wait until it leaks from sid to wheezy |
| 04:48.43 | DeM0nFiRe | I got the kernel working and I am again at peace with the world |
| 04:49.05 | DeM0nFiRe | Tomorrow I will update my grub so I can boot normally with it and I will be ready to set up the rest of the system! |
| 04:51.13 | Miesco_ | Is it save to get wine here? http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 04:51.21 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: I can't wait |
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| 04:51.47 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Should I just install from sid repository? |
| 04:52.29 | Miesco_ | What do I put in my apt.conf for my current release? |
| 04:52.35 | nsadmin | I've not done it: I don't run wheezy, and I don't get binary packages from sid |
| 04:52.36 | Miesco_ | Like release=wheezy or something |
| 04:53.13 | DeM0nFiRe | lol glad I didn't decide to build the kernel for a 4th time haha |
| 04:53.26 | DeM0nFiRe | I gotta set something up on my desktop though for compiling kernels |
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| 04:53.30 | Miesco_ | Default-Release = wheezy? |
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| 04:53.42 | DeM0nFiRe | Could do it so much faster on my desktop |
| 04:54.33 | Miesco_ | Apt::Default-Release {"Wheezy"}? |
| 04:54.38 | nsadmin | DeM0nFiRe, and if you build it using make-kpkg, the resulting package is likely installable on both your desktop and, what is it, your laptop? |
| 04:54.50 | DeM0nFiRe | Yeah, netbook |
| 04:54.54 | nsadmin | build once, install twice. |
| 04:55.01 | DeM0nFiRe | Well |
| 04:55.06 | DeM0nFiRe | We'll see |
| 04:55.12 | nsadmin | and each install will build a different initrd |
| 04:55.17 | DeM0nFiRe | The packager was not so friendly to me :P |
| 04:55.28 | Miesco_ | Okay I got that done |
| 04:56.26 | Miesco_ | Is it safe to get wine from sid if i'm on wheezy? apt-get -t sid wine |
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| 04:57.27 | Miesco_ | Should I only put a deb-src in for sid? |
| 04:57.48 | nsadmin | well that's what I would |
| 04:57.50 | nsadmin | do |
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| 04:57.57 | Miesco_ | k |
| 04:58.18 | nsadmin | that's what's recommended... you would get the source and then build the package under wheezy |
| 04:58.38 | nsadmin | which will use your existing libs |
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| 04:59.12 | Miesco_ | nsadmin: Oh the bbs thing? |
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| 04:59.41 | Miesco_ | !bbs |
| 04:59.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, bbs is Bulletin Board System. Also AOLbonics for "be back soon" which you shouldn't use in #debian. |
| 04:59.47 | Miesco_ | Hmm |
| 04:59.51 | Miesco_ | !bss |
| 04:59.58 | Miesco_ | !ssb |
| 04:59.58 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:00.03 | nsadmin | yeah... but bbses require a modem and a phone line |
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| 05:00.52 | Miesco_ | so aptitude -t sid build-dep wine? |
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| 05:03.40 | Miesco_ | E: The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 05:03.44 | Miesco_ | I keep getting that |
| 05:04.38 | babilen | Miesco_: It does not make sense to set the default release for sid - Which version of Debian are (trying) to track? |
| 05:05.15 | Miesco_ | babilen: I did apt-get -t sid build-dep wine |
| 05:05.28 | babilen | Yes, you've mentioned that. |
| 05:05.29 | Miesco_ | oh I see your not suppost to do that |
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| 05:05.44 | Miesco_ | aptitude build-dep packagename gives me: |
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| 05:06.40 | Miesco_ | Unable to find the source package for "wine". |
| 05:06.51 | Miesco_ | Unable to find an archive "wheezy" for the package "wine" |
| 05:07.20 | Miesco_ | Is debian-backports not enabiled? |
| 05:07.44 | babilen | You probably forgot to add <deb-src> lines for sid to your sources.list (or to run apt-get/aptitude update) |
| 05:07.54 | babilen | ,versions wine |
| 05:07.56 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 05:07.57 | babilen | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 05:07.59 | judd | Package wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.34-1 |
| 05:08.23 | babilen | Miesco_: See ^^^ no wine in wheezy -- Are you tracking wheezy? |
| 05:08.44 | Miesco_ | babilen: I'm trying to get wine from sid |
| 05:08.53 | babilen | That was not my question. |
| 05:09.05 | Miesco_ | babilen: I have my default release set to wheezy |
| 05:09.14 | Miesco_ | Is that what tracking wheezy means? |
| 05:09.41 | Miesco_ | Like: APT::Default-Release "wheezy";? |
| 05:09.42 | babilen | Then just pull the package from sid -- Add sid to your sources list and install it from there. (apt-get -t sid install wine-unstable / apt-get -t sid install wine) |
| 05:10.02 | babilen | Miesco_: Yes, and you should know that if you are tracking wheezy ;) |
| 05:10.04 | Miesco_ | babilen: add a deb line? |
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| 05:10.39 | babilen | If you want to install packages from a repository you have to add it, yes. |
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| 05:10.56 | LostyJai | is there a way to put an ethernet interface into standby |
| 05:10.59 | LostyJai | or something |
| 05:11.04 | hurdos | Hi all |
| 05:11.22 | Miesco_ | LostyJai: You can do: ifconfig INTERFACE down |
| 05:11.34 | LostyJai | hmmmm |
| 05:11.38 | LostyJai | i'm trying to use it for a hsared IP |
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| 05:12.00 | LostyJai | and the interface should not have an IP unless there is a failover |
| 05:12.18 | Miesco_ | babilen: 32 new packages... is this right? |
| 05:12.38 | Miesco_ | I think most of them are from wheezy anyways |
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| 05:13.18 | babilen | I have no idea -- show me the output of your sources.list, /etc/apt/apt.conf and output of that (which?) command + "apt-cache policy" |
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| 05:19.20 | breedx | Need to stop this old Compaq laptop from screen blanking after 15 min. (fluxbox, sid). I've tried it all -- bios, xset, xorg.conf, programatically moving the mouse, yet it still blanks. Any brainstorms on what it could be? |
| 05:19.21 | LostyJai | is it possible to have an interface up but not be assigned an IP |
| 05:20.33 | babilen | LostyJai: Sure: "ip link set IFACE up" or "ifconfig IFACE up" |
| 05:20.50 | LostyJai | in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 05:20.53 | LostyJai | what do i write there? |
| 05:21.47 | babilen | Nothing |
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| 05:22.22 | babilen | LostyJai: That would be handled by ifup/ifdown -- ip/ifconfig does not that at /e/n/i |
| 05:22.39 | kuznetzvo | ^ bingo |
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| 05:23.05 | LostyJai | how do i have it started on bootup? |
| 05:23.06 | babilen | s/that/look :-\ |
| 05:23.22 | LostyJai | run a script? |
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| 05:23.42 | babilen | Wtf are you trying to do? |
| 05:23.55 | LostyJai | i have an eth on vlan100 |
| 05:23.59 | babilen | I guess I rather take a break .. |
| 05:24.00 | george_ | I added the line deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free to my sources file but when I do "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade", this is the output: http://pastebin.com/STZuEE1j |
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| 05:24.05 | LostyJai | sorry let me rephrase |
| 05:24.17 | LostyJai | i have 2 servers, which i want to have automatic failover set up (keepalived) |
| 05:24.25 | LostyJai | and to do that i use a shared IP |
| 05:24.40 | george_ | and similar output when I do "sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports upgrade iceweasel": http://pastebin.com/94CyiQfv |
| 05:24.47 | kuznetzvo | why would you use a shared IP instead of a VIP? |
| 05:24.59 | LostyJai | yes i mean VIP |
| 05:25.02 | kuznetzvo | ok |
| 05:25.29 | LostyJai | each of the server has an eth on vlan100 |
| 05:25.37 | LostyJai | i wnat that VIP to be on that eth |
| 05:25.40 | LostyJai | but not at the same time? |
| 05:25.50 | LostyJai | if that makes sense |
| 05:26.06 | kuznetzvo | i know what you're trying to do, but i don't know how to configure it from scratch :( |
| 05:26.11 | LostyJai | yeah =( |
| 05:26.22 | LostyJai | maybe run `ifup eth0` |
| 05:26.24 | LostyJai | on bootup |
| 05:26.26 | LostyJai | or something |
| 05:26.26 | kuznetzvo | bluecoat has easy gui's. you can do them after 10 shots even |
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| 05:29.12 | LostyJai | maybe an easier question would be, what is the equivalent of `ifconfig eth0 up` in /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
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| 05:29.52 | nevyn | auto eth0 |
| 05:30.00 | LostyJai | nope =( |
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| 05:30.19 | george_ | I added the line deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free to my sources file but when I do "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade", this is the output: http://pastebin.com/STZuEE1j and similar output when I do "sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports upgrade iceweasel": http://pastebin.com/94CyiQfv |
| 05:31.10 | kuznetzvo | LostyJai, so you get this error trying to bring up the interface of one box for the VIP or both boxes for the VIP? does this happen only for bringing up the if for the VIP, or does it happen to the backend? |
| 05:31.33 | LostyJai | the problem is eth0 is not up |
| 05:31.42 | LostyJai | if i run `ifconfig eth0 up` |
| 05:31.44 | LostyJai | everything is fine |
| 05:32.42 | kuznetzvo | the simple work around is obvious but it doesn't resolve the question, which is important. ugh |
| 05:32.49 | kuznetzvo | i think my bac% is too high for this |
| 05:32.49 | LostyJai | yeah =/ |
| 05:33.08 | kuznetzvo | fuck me why isn't there a ##ittcpip |
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| 05:36.58 | kuznetzvo | clarification, is this when you are trying to assign multiple IP addresses to the same physical interface, or is this when you are trying to set the machine to use an IP address already in use on an arbitrary interface? |
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| 05:41.31 | Mr_Queue | Anyone thing of a reason why I can only get 1.2GHz out of my machine on Debian but the full 2.2GHz anywhere else? |
| 05:41.51 | ondrejk | hello sysadmins, do you have documentation for your machines? And where do you store it? In wiki or just textfiles? I'm using Bugzilla & Twiki and now i'm looking for safer/better solution |
| 05:41.56 | CompWizrd | is it doing speedstep/whateveryourcpusupports properly? |
| 05:41.57 | Mr_Queue | I've been with Debian 6 something years and never seen anything like it. |
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| 05:42.15 | ondrejk | Mr_Queue: bad cpufreq settings? |
| 05:42.54 | Mr_Queue | CompWizrd: ondrejk Even when making changes there, with no errors reported, I'm stuck at 1.2GHz. I even tried a fresh install |
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| 05:43.43 | Mr_Queue | Knoppix works, Gentoo works, Cent works.. I'm scratching my head... This is on Stable/Testing/& Unstable. |
| 05:43.47 | Mr_Queue | T61 ThinkPad. |
| 05:44.02 | ondrejk | Mr_Queue: what says grep "model name" /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 05:44.21 | wols_ | Mr_Queue: how do you check? |
| 05:44.41 | rozie | Mr_Queue: you probably want to load ondemand kernel module and set cpufreq to use this strategy |
| 05:44.46 | Mr_Queue | ondrejk: Intel duo T7500.. |
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| 05:45.08 | kuznetzvo | ondrejk preferences heavily involved in good response to question. easiest way i've used in the past was simple mass email doc files, easy html on company intranet, and/or wiki |
| 05:45.36 | Mr_Queue | wols_: I've tried several.. Burn them with md5sum /dev/urandom and then look at both cpuinfo/ cpufreq-info, gnome panel etc.. |
| 05:45.38 | ondrejk | kuznetzvo: thanks for response, im just looking for possible options |
| 05:45.42 | Mr_Queue | It's really strange. |
| 05:45.50 | kuznetzvo | generally i find that more end-users actually read your shit if you take the time to spend a little while converting formats =p |
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| 05:46.23 | rozie | Mr_Queue: lsmod -> pastebin |
| 05:46.45 | wols_ | Mr_Queue: you did this will power supply was plugged in? |
| 05:46.51 | Mr_Queue | rozie: Stuck in a cli only atm w/o access to that package to pipe it out. |
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| 05:47.49 | Mr_Queue | wols_: Yes. It's crazy. I've even has a few others look at it.. No one has a clue why Debian is the only distro that is failing. I hate it. |
| 05:48.19 | Mr_Queue | I'm in the middle of a stage 3 Gentoo build because I've not been able to figure it out for weeks. |
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| 05:48.35 | Mr_Queue | I've tried everyting I can think of. Asked everyone I can think of at the office, and we're all stuck. |
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| 05:48.52 | kuznetzvo | ondrejk, one of the cheesiest but reasonably effective options is to require read confirmation receipts for the mass email, as one example. not only does it reinforce end-user compliance; it covers your ass against the dicks who will try to start a mutiny |
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| 05:49.20 | george_ | I just downloaded the source code for Firefox Nightly and when I extracted it, there's a firefox program, when I launched it with ./firefox, it ran, does this mean it comes precompiled? |
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| 05:50.50 | ondrejk | kuznetzvo: i meant not user documentation but technical documentation, now i have bugzilla & twiki. Now im just looking for other possibilities or maybe some kind of best practice |
| 05:51.40 | nsadmin | george_, file ./firefox |
| 05:51.50 | wols_ | george_: where did you download it? and what file? |
| 05:51.52 | kuznetzvo | tech docs? |
| 05:52.25 | ondrejk | kuznetzvo: yes, we have pretty complex environment here |
| 05:52.29 | kuznetzvo | i always put them on a very redunant file share with generous read access to nearly everyone then emailed the IT group en masse regarding the scope of the documentation |
| 05:53.13 | george_ | wols_, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-8.0a1.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 there's a firefox file when you extract it, which ran |
| 05:53.30 | george_ | wols_, I got the download link from this page http://www.mozilla.org/developer/ |
| 05:53.57 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: uname -r? |
| 05:54.06 | george_ | wols_, my bad looks like it wasn't the source that I downloaded,d but a build :P |
| 05:54.07 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: I'm on liveCD now. |
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| 05:54.46 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: regardless all were stock debian kernels and I have checked each current branch. |
| 05:54.47 | wols_ | george_: ask mozilla. how could #debian know what mozilla puts into their tarballs? btw: what you downloaded was no source at all as you can clearly see by the filename |
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| 05:55.21 | george_ | wols_, yeah, my mistake |
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| 05:55.41 | jelly-home | Mr_Queue: oh well. which debian release and architecture? were you unable to list the various frequency settings too, or just to make the machine automatically switch to one? was acpi-cpufreq module loaded? |
| 05:55.45 | ondrejk | kuznetzvo: so that's technicaly same way im using right now :) |
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| 05:56.11 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: all 3 stable/testing/unstable on both 32 and 64 bit. |
| 05:56.17 | kuznetzvo | yeah, make it available, update it when something changes, and make your IT comrades aware of the process |
| 05:56.26 | kuznetzvo | Even ask for feedback on your documentation |
| 05:56.38 | kuznetzvo | if you do that and keep records of your changes and emails, then your ass is covered |
| 05:56.47 | kuznetzvo | you can lead a horse to water but cannot make it RTFM |
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| 05:56.55 | ondrejk | :) |
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| 05:57.07 | ondrejk | bugzilla covers my ass perfectly ;) |
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| 05:57.15 | rkvirani | Whats the apt command to get all the info on a package such as 'apache2'? |
| 05:57.20 | rkvirani | I can never remember |
| 05:57.29 | Mr_Queue | jelly-home: I can pin it to 800 and 1200. I can select 2.2GHz both with GUI and cli, but it will never break 1.2GHz. |
| 05:57.33 | kuznetzvo | when they change something and break your systems, you can say at the end that the configuration was made available, discussed with, and understood by the people who broke it. so, it's not your fault |
| 05:57.55 | rkvirani | put debian on his Dual G5 |
| 05:57.59 | nsadmin | rkvirani, man aptitude ; man dpkg ; man apt-cache |
| 05:58.23 | pharvey | ondrejk: we use Foswiki (TWiki fork), for documenting service dependencies & tracking tasks, though lately we've been leaning more on zabbix itself to keep an accurate picture of what goes where. |
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| 05:58.45 | rkvirani | nsadmin: apt-cache showpkg apache2 |
| 05:58.48 | rkvirani | got it thanks |
| 05:58.55 | jelly-home | rkvirani: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 05:58.56 | nsadmin | yay :) |
| 05:59.02 | ondrejk | pharvey: im thinking about substituting twiki by foswiki also |
| 05:59.08 | rkvirani | nsadmin: ? |
| 05:59.10 | nsadmin | see, you won't forget that because YOU found it |
| 05:59.26 | rkvirani | lol :) |
| 05:59.29 | rkvirani | jelly-home: ? |
| 05:59.50 | rkvirani | nsadmin: I just couldnt remember which apt- command it was |
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| 06:00.23 | jelly-home | rkvirani: it's an irc command to ask the bot for a link to a debian reference card pdf |
| 06:00.44 | rkvirani | ahh |
| 06:00.45 | pharvey | depends how much time you have on your hands, as to whether T/Foswiki are a good fit. I built a thing which plots out the dependencies with DirectedGraphPlugin, makes for a nice graphviz map that's automatically generated using DataForms - but then we have to re-enter most of that again into zabbix, and so it gets neglected. |
| 06:00.51 | rkvirani | well its broken the bot never sent it to me. :) |
| 06:00.58 | jelly-home | !refcard |
| 06:00.58 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 06:01.00 | rkvirani | Are there 'group' packages in debian? |
| 06:01.04 | rkvirani | ther we go. |
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| 06:01.07 | rkvirani | mmm.... |
| 06:01.22 | xok | hello all... |
| 06:01.31 | rkvirani | jelly-home: very good! |
| 06:01.53 | ondrejk | pharvey: which dependencies do you mean? |
| 06:02.05 | jelly-home | rkvirani: you need to ask it to, and the response will probably appear in a different irssi "window" |
| 06:02.20 | xok | I am trying to PXE boot the debian system but the machine trying to boot from the network has broadcom NIC so it is needed to load firmware in the head... |
| 06:02.33 | xok | does anyone know how do I do this?... |
| 06:02.46 | rkvirani | jelly-home: so I hit apt-cache search "Web Server" and it lists packages but when I try to apt-get install "Web Server" says there is no package... |
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| 06:04.16 | pharvey | we're a research team with no full-time sysadmin, so our practices are hardly "best" :) Anyway, it's just a bunch of topics with DependsOn links: FooDotOrg DependsOn BarService,BlahService, then BlahService HostedOn FooHost, etc etc. all the way up to DNS registrars |
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| 06:05.11 | jelly-home | rkvirani: that's expected, there is no package named "Web Server" |
| 06:05.23 | rkvirani | jelly-home: then why would it return in apt-cache? |
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| 06:05.56 | jelly-home | rkvirani: which line of the output do you think points to a package named "Web Server"? |
| 06:06.52 | jelly-home | rkvirani: apt-cache search output format is something like... packagename - Short description here |
| 06:06.56 | rkvirani | jelly-home: it just lists a bunch of packages |
| 06:07.02 | pharvey | it really needs to be re-worked using SemanticLinksPlugin |
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| 06:08.10 | xok | anyone please?.. |
| 06:08.12 | jelly-home | rkvirani: install by package name, not by description or part of a description |
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| 06:11.46 | rkvirani | jelly-home: so there is no similarity to something like 'yum groupinstall "Web Server' ? |
| 06:12.18 | nsadmin | xok, if a nic needs firmware loaded after powerup, it's not actually a complete nic until that firmware is loaded... |
| 06:12.31 | rkvirani | oh |
| 06:12.37 | rkvirani | they are called metapackages |
| 06:12.58 | xok | nsadmin: I do know how to include firmware in initrd.gz file, but my case seems different in that that it is trying to load firmware before it loads initrd.gz file... |
| 06:13.09 | rkvirani | apache2 - Apache HTTP Server metapackage |
| 06:13.20 | zykotick9 | rkvirani, you could run tasksel and select the "web server" option |
| 06:13.26 | xok | nsadmin: how do I load firmare before initrd gets loaded?.. |
| 06:13.35 | rkvirani | zykotick9: thanks! |
| 06:13.38 | nsadmin | xok: the nic was probably an unfortunate choice of hardware |
| 06:13.56 | nsadmin | I don't know the answer to that |
| 06:14.01 | xok | nsadmin: well, yes, it is, but the Debian has special package for it called bnx2... |
| 06:14.32 | nsadmin | so debian has to be booted first, and then the nic can get its firmware? |
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| 06:17.06 | wols_ | xok: how can it load firmware before there is a initrd.gz? where from? |
| 06:18.05 | xok | wols_: I have no idea why this happens, but it actually does happen... |
| 06:18.45 | wols_ | xok: it doesn't need firmware. to load the kernel and initrd, you have the on chip BIOS to use, same as with normal BIOS with normal installations |
| 06:18.58 | xok | wols_: I've got FAI server here and want to boot blade servers from it, servers have broadcom NICs so it is needed to have firmware-bnx2 loaded in order for servers to operate normally... |
| 06:19.03 | wols_ | and from then on the kernel tcpip stack with the firmware ininitrd.gz takes over |
| 06:19.34 | wols_ | yes, and this firmware is loaded like every other time too: via initrd.gz |
| 06:19.39 | xok | wols_: I have included firmware in initrd.gz file but it doesn't help... |
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| 06:20.06 | wols_ | xok: how? |
| 06:20.25 | xok | wols_: I've picture the screen and send you the link... |
| 06:20.50 | wols_ | I don't want pictures, I want an answer to my question: how did you include this firmware? |
| 06:21.46 | xok | wols_: I've installed it on the fai server and then copied intird.gz file to the nfsroot... |
| 06:22.46 | wols_ | so the fai server has the exact same hardware? |
| 06:23.04 | xok | yes... |
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| 06:36.16 | tdn | I use sshfs over the internet. But I experience poor performance -- high latency especially. Is there any way to improve performance? |
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| 06:37.06 | nsadmin | poor performance as compared to what? a local disk? |
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| 06:37.27 | jelly-home | tdn: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ (not packaged) |
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| 06:38.24 | wols_ | tdn: less encryption. which makes the use of sshfs nonsensical |
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| 06:38.31 | jelly-home | latency can |
| 06:38.36 | jelly-home | 't be helped |
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| 06:40.12 | ompaul | tdn: can you invoke your ssh with -C |
| 06:40.17 | ompaul | or does it do it by default? |
| 06:40.21 | flamingspinach | hmm - anyone here use autossh? it's working great, but if I use -f it seems to just terminate instantaneously rather than going into the background as it should... |
| 06:40.33 | jelly-home | ompaul: that just makes things worse |
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| 06:41.22 | ompaul | jelly-home: ah, I've used it forever with ssh and it seems to make it faster even on a local lan but I don't do the fs stuff |
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| 06:45.20 | Dewi | flamingspinach: is it able to get credentials? |
| 06:45.35 | flamingspinach | unknown. It just exits with no output. $? is 0, as well. |
| 06:45.49 | Dewi | flamingspinach: well, how are you giving it credentials? |
| 06:45.51 | flamingspinach | just plain ssh is able to login without any user interaction |
| 06:45.59 | flamingspinach | so is autossh without the -f |
| 06:46.06 | flamingspinach | but autossh -f just dies |
| 06:46.34 | flamingspinach | Dewi: via my ~/.ssh/config (public key auth) |
| 06:46.53 | Dewi | flamingspinach: private key is unencrypted? |
| 06:47.01 | flamingspinach | nah, it's in my ssh agent |
| 06:47.26 | Dewi | it can't really use your ssh agent if you're not logged in |
| 06:48.16 | flamingspinach | what do you mean? something to do with the bash environment autossh runs from when not given -f ? |
| 06:48.19 | Dewi | ie you can't really share an ssh agent with a background autossh, it needs its own |
| 06:48.27 | flamingspinach | I see |
| 06:48.44 | Dewi | cause otherwise as soon as you logged out your agent would stop and it would fail |
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| 06:49.36 | Dewi | man page doesn't really say exactly how autossh deals with this though, it just says "The use of RSAAuthentication with ssh-agent is the recommended method. The example wrapper script attempts to check if there is an agent running for the current environment, and to start one if there isn't." |
| 06:49.44 | Dewi | so maybe I'm guessing entirely the wrong thing |
| 06:50.10 | jelly-home | someone is going to have to enter that passphrase somehow |
| 06:50.11 | ompaul | flamingspinach: did you try running it in screen? |
| 06:50.50 | flamingspinach | what, run it without -f in a screen, and then detach the screen? ... I could do that, I guess... seems a little inelegant of a solution, but I guess it would work :) |
| 06:51.22 | Dewi | flamingspinach: I've only used autossh by supplying the key directly to ssh on the command line... |
| 06:52.08 | Dewi | (has the advantage of no passphrase. The disadvantage: no passphrase) |
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| 06:54.39 | yytssnd | hiii |
| 06:54.45 | yytssnd | i just need to ask |
| 06:55.10 | yytssnd | how can download the debian latest unstable .iso |
| 06:55.17 | yytssnd | i cant find it on debian.org |
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| 06:55.50 | Dewi | yytssnd: unstable isn't very supported |
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| 06:55.52 | mosno | yytssnd, it doesn't exist |
| 06:56.07 | mosno | yytssnd, upgrade from stable/testing |
| 06:56.14 | yytssnd | ahh okay |
| 06:56.15 | Dewi | or don't. |
| 06:56.32 | yytssnd | ive been told i can download the unstable and then change it to testing |
| 06:56.37 | mosno | yeah... what Dewi said, yytssnd ... if you have to ask, you really don't want unstable |
| 06:56.59 | Dewi | yytssnd: you can't do that at all, apt doesn't do downgrades |
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| 06:57.21 | yytssnd | so what shoiuld i do ? |
| 06:57.30 | mosno | yytssnd, run stable, learn debian |
| 06:57.37 | yytssnd | ive been using sabayon for soo long and it has been crashing so many lately |
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| 06:57.55 | yytssnd | thats why im switching to debian |
| 06:58.07 | yytssnd | ( gentoo is still too hard for me :) ) |
| 06:58.31 | Dewi | yytssnd: I would never recommend anything but stable to begin with. If you need newer stuff it's better to get it from backports or get apt to build you a backport |
| 06:59.05 | yytssnd | and how can i upgrade stable to testing ? |
| 06:59.07 | Dewi | or for a more naturally bleeding-edge distro, ubuntu |
| 06:59.41 | Dewi | yytssnd: change apt sources and do a full-upgrade |
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| 07:00.19 | mosno | yytssnd, consider aptosid, perhaps |
| 07:00.47 | yytssnd | mosno im very new for all that apt stuff... i was on equo / emerge hehe |
| 07:00.53 | yytssnd | thx dewi :) |
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| 07:02.24 | yytssnd | and mosno |
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| 07:03.29 | yytssnd | Okay one more annoying question |
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| 07:04.06 | yytssnd | If i wanna get it with KDE |
| 07:04.22 | Dewi | !tell yytssnd about install kde |
| 07:04.58 | Dewi | hah, that's even spammier than I remember. There's a few different ways to get it :P |
| 07:05.19 | yytssnd | hehe ok just give me a link to a torrent |
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| 07:05.27 | yytssnd | i know howto install the kde |
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| 07:06.14 | yytssnd | but i need the KDE already installed cuz im downloading from another ip and i wanna save my bandwith ( i cant put my laptop on this ip) |
| 07:06.57 | mosno | yytssnd, the debian mirrors have a CD1 with KDE on it |
| 07:07.44 | yytssnd | mosno that i didnt know :) thanks very much |
| 07:07.51 | yytssnd | it has been very helpfull |
| 07:08.09 | Dewi | cool, I didn't know that either. I was gonna say "just get the whole DVD 1" |
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| 07:09.08 | yytssnd | :P |
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| 07:17.12 | simonlnu | there's an xfce, gnome, and kde cd#1 |
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| 07:27.47 | tdn | jelly-home, ok. |
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| 07:31.46 | pieter_ | oko quick question. how can i UNinstall packages when using a preseed file (without using a late command)? |
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| 08:03.47 | HSorgYves | morning |
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| 08:10.50 | lelu | hello... i was ssh'ed into my server and running aptitude upgrade when my network died... now the dpkg is still running and locked me out of (/var/lib/dpkg/) should I just kill it and try again? |
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| 08:12.15 | Lasers | Would Debian be great for XBMC HTPC Standalone? Any experiences? No issues, I presume? |
| 08:13.32 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: yup works like a charm for me. |
| 08:13.42 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: Stable/Testing? |
| 08:14.24 | wols_ | lelu: yes. but: when your ssh session died, dpkg should have died too. you sure a dpkg process is still running? |
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| 08:14.29 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: IIRC I used a testing. But due to a lack of a proper television I can't check for that at the moment. :) |
| 08:15.17 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: Nice. I was considering on whenever to use Debian (Stability) or Archlinux (Bleeding Edge) for XBMC. |
| 08:15.30 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: You can use either. If you just want to use Dharma squeeze should be fine. |
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| 08:15.43 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: I personally run the repository. |
| 08:16.19 | xxtjaxx | * a mostly recent repository checkout. |
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| 08:16.59 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: Heh. Thanks. Yeah. Less hassles. Less configuring. More time to drool my brain out. :) |
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| 08:17.35 | lelu | wols_: fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock tells me dpkg is still running |
| 08:17.36 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: Have you had experience with mythtv before? |
| 08:17.59 | lelu | in all honesty i should have run it within a screen session and I wouldn't have had this problem :/ |
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| 08:18.18 | wols_ | yes, just kill the ssh process which still exists |
| 08:19.13 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: No. ZERO. ISP told me I can't opt for Internet only so I opted for basic cable plan. I have no desires to record shows mainly because I think they don't support subtitles/closed captions. |
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| 08:23.22 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: My Idea was to marry my xbmc with the myth backend and have recordings show up in my xbmc. |
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| 08:23.48 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: for which there is an addon. |
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| 08:25.52 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: Clever plan coming from a clever man! Plant a seed and watch your contents growing bigger. |
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| 08:30.26 | Lasers | New question for General audience: I never did a headless installation before. How does that work? Debian have no Wiki on Headless. |
| 08:30.42 | lelu | wols_: hmm looks like dpkg cant finish configuration because of dependancy problems :/ |
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| 08:33.41 | Ragnar | is editing /etc/crontab enough? |
| 08:33.47 | Ragnar | echoing a line there |
| 08:35.36 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: try FAI/Preseeds/a Screen for the installation up untill you can ssh and have a fixed IP address. |
| 08:35.52 | xxtjaxx | Ragnar: /etc/init.d/cron restart |
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| 08:38.19 | Ragnar | so after editing /etc/crontab |
| 08:38.27 | Ragnar | a init.d restart is required? |
| 08:39.06 | iceroot | Ragnar: why editing that file? why not using /etc/cron.d/? |
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| 08:41.04 | Ragnar | basically mving a file to /etc/cron.d/ |
| 08:41.06 | Ragnar | could fix it |
| 08:41.20 | Ragnar | can one use the @hourly @daily syntaxes in those aswell? |
| 08:42.15 | lelu | hmm from now on im running all updates from within a screen session :/ |
| 08:42.32 | berarma | Ragnar: there's /etc/cron.daily/, hourly, etc. |
| 08:42.33 | icesword | dpkg:hi |
| 08:42.34 | dpkg | what's up |
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| 08:51.07 | wols_ | !tell lelu about bat |
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| 08:54.50 | lelu | whats bat? |
| 08:55.10 | lelu | oh i see, tell send a pm |
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| 08:56.04 | krion | yo |
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| 08:58.49 | lelu | does aptitude use whiptail? |
| 09:00.31 | ksk | lelu: afaik not aptitude itself |
| 09:00.42 | ksk | but some post-install scripts do |
| 09:01.32 | lelu | thats as I thought. |
| 09:02.01 | lelu | its odd that whiptail is hitting 100% cpu since I started aptitude... i will have to wait for it to finish to investigate |
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| 09:06.27 | NoOova | Hi all! give me plis link to paper about how to configure sendmail under Squeeze |
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| 09:16.51 | cusco | !why is ntop not in squeeze ? |
| 09:16.52 | dpkg | cusco: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:16.55 | cusco | err |
| 09:17.06 | jelly | ,versions ntop |
| 09:17.07 | judd | Package ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-4; wheezy: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-4 |
| 09:17.36 | cusco | backports |
| 09:17.37 | cusco | ok |
| 09:17.41 | cusco | thanks jelly |
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| 09:27.40 | FriarLaurence | hi, some gtk apps like gnome-terminal suddently have the old motif look since the last dist-upgrade. how can i return to the gtk2-look? |
| 09:28.13 | wols_ | NoOova: you don't want to use sendmail. use postfix or exim4. and there are a tons of howtos out for these |
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| 09:32.49 | zhulikas | how can I disable locking the screen? |
| 09:33.04 | zhulikas | the thing which happens after some inactivity and which requires user password |
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| 09:38.26 | FriarLaurence | hi, some gtk apps like gnome-terminal suddently have the old motif look since the last dist-upgrade. how can i return to the gtk2-look? |
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| 09:40.52 | dw | is there some way to ask the dpkg toolchain the name of the package that would be generated by dpkg-buildpackage? (without parsing said script's output) |
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| 09:42.14 | stockholm | i want to replace an IP in a bind zone file: sed -i -e 's/^(riley[::space::].*)78.31.14(.*)$/\1194.71.232\2/' include/sto.spotify.net/hosts |
| 09:42.22 | stockholm | and i get |
| 09:42.29 | stockholm | sed: -e expression #1, char 52: invalid reference \2 on `s' command's RHS |
| 09:42.46 | stockholm | whats wrong? |
| 09:43.39 | stockholm | ECHAN |
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| 09:43.50 | babilen | stockholm: See you in #sed ;) |
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| 09:44.01 | stockholm | i want to replace an IP in a bind zone file: sed -i -e 's/^(riley[::space::].*)78.31.14(.*)$/\1194.71.232\2/' include/sto.spotify.net/hosts |
| 09:44.03 | babilen | s/#sed/##sed |
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| 09:44.16 | stockholm | and i get |
| 09:44.21 | stockholm | sed: -e expression #1, char 52: invalid reference \2 on `s' command's RHS |
| 09:44.23 | babilen | stockholm: You are still in #debian |
| 09:44.30 | stockholm | wtf? |
| 09:44.33 | stockholm | shit |
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| 09:44.55 | stockholm | ok |
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| 09:48.01 | C-boys | anybody in here has experience with a tool like secure-delete? (thus erasing the contents of files you've previously deleted) |
| 09:48.16 | C-boys | so permanently deleting EVERYTHING that has ever been deleted on the server? |
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| 09:49.45 | iceroot | C-boys: if you have deleted the files already how should the tool re-delete them? |
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| 09:50.06 | petemc | C-boys: shred is part of coreutils, you can use a live cd like dban to securely wipe a whole drive |
| 09:50.08 | sephii | C-boys: shred? |
| 09:50.23 | sephii | pwned :( |
| 09:50.26 | petemc | :) |
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| 09:50.45 | iceroot | petemc: but that is overwriting the complete hdd with zero or something like that? |
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| 09:51.09 | petemc | but? |
| 09:51.13 | themill | checking the man page for shred(1) is highly recommended |
| 09:51.21 | C-boys | I cannot unmount this disk |
| 09:51.27 | C-boys | So that's not an option |
| 09:51.39 | themill | C-boys: perhaps you should look at what shred does |
| 09:51.40 | sephii | Why can't you unmount it? |
| 09:51.59 | C-boys | sephii: because it's a dedicated server |
| 09:52.01 | balboah | jesus it seems complicated to do what a simple pf round-robin does but in iptables, any good guide / example out there? I want to dnat round-robin style to have kind of a load balancer for two web servers |
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| 09:53.16 | C-boys | anyway, I read that debian wipe can do the job on a disk while its still mounted |
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| 09:53.43 | sephii | C-boys: so what? you want to erase the / partition you're currently using for the system? |
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| 09:54.18 | C-boys | sephii: no just the files that are already deleted |
| 09:54.28 | C-boys | sephii: so that there is no way to recover them |
| 09:54.31 | C-boys | which is pretty easy now |
| 09:54.49 | rozie | C-boys: how do you undelete them? |
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| 09:55.47 | C-boys | rozie: A technique called Magnetic Force Microscopy (MFM) allows any moderately funded opponent to recover the last two or three layers of data written to disk |
| 09:56.07 | themill | that counts as easy? |
| 09:56.14 | rozie | ;> |
| 09:56.44 | rozie | C-boys: write remaining space with zero and/or random data twice or thrice |
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| 09:57.09 | sephii | cat /dev/random > myfile ? |
| 09:57.54 | themill | C-boys: perhaps you should pop into your local university and ask them if you can see an AFM and get a feel for the technique. Then you can multiply that complexity many times over and you'll have MFM. And then you need to be able to interpret the little dots on the image, for which you'll need to have successfully reverse engineered the hard drive firmware. |
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| 09:58.01 | rozie | urandom. and probably you want to have some control, not hit 100% disc usage |
| 09:58.41 | themill | dpkg, hand out the tinfoil hats |
| 09:58.41 | dpkg | passes around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hopes the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil... |
| 09:59.17 | rozie | and: friend of mine couldn't even restore zeroed (cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdX) drive with the help of professional restore service |
| 09:59.34 | C-boys | hmm |
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| 10:00.03 | C-boys | rozie: but anyways, there are multiple tools that claim they can overwrite all yet deleted files disk sectors |
| 10:00.17 | C-boys | i just dontk now which to pick |
| 10:00.24 | sephii | C-boys: just do as rozie said, no need for a tool |
| 10:00.27 | C-boys | its a web server, I am the only user, have complete control over it |
| 10:00.43 | C-boys | urandom is a tool / |
| 10:00.45 | C-boys | urandom is a tool ? |
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| 10:00.55 | sephii | it's a device (/dev/urandom) |
| 10:00.58 | rozie | but if you *really* want to delete it, backup all files (fsarchiver?), run shred on whole drive, restore the backup |
| 10:01.14 | C-boys | rozie: can i do this on a dedicated server? |
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| 10:01.52 | rozie | well. if you are able to boot some temporary system (live OSLT), then yes |
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| 10:02.59 | rozie | C-boys: who will look for those data? if average Joe, first method is more than enough |
| 10:03.19 | rozie | if CIA/KGB, all we are already lost |
| 10:04.01 | rozie | C-boys: can you hear helicopters? |
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| 10:06.45 | C-boys | thats nonsense, every average government in the modern western world can retrieve it that way now a days |
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| 10:06.57 | C-boys | no need for cia or any intelligence agency |
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| 10:07.13 | sephii | C-boys: and every average government puts some spy code in programs. |
| 10:07.16 | themill | C-boys: I think you missed rozie's point. |
| 10:08.27 | C-boys | anyway, i guess i will have to run a temporary file system, but no idea how to do that on a dedicated server |
| 10:08.38 | C-boys | and use shred on the whole drive |
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| 10:09.20 | rozie | sounds like additional cost for remote hands |
| 10:09.36 | sephii | C-boys: if your files are already deleted the urandom thing will do the trick |
| 10:09.59 | C-boys | sephii: how can i use urandom? |
| 10:10.20 | rozie | sephii: no! they can be under installed system files! it's just one write on them! THEY will get them! |
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| 10:10.37 | jumpship | Does anyone use FreqTweak? |
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| 10:11.49 | C-boys | so what you people sya is: |
| 10:11.53 | C-boys | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/654/Securely_erasing_files_by_filling_your_disk |
| 10:11.56 | C-boys | this will not help? |
| 10:12.40 | rudi_s | C-boys: Encrypt the complete disk and securely erasing files just works (everything else doesn't). |
| 10:13.07 | Zap-W | is /usr/bin/net no more in samba in squeeze ver |
| 10:13.13 | rozie | C-boys: that's ready tool for writing random data on unused disc space |
| 10:13.37 | C-boys | rudi_s: i know that, but i am not in that position now |
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| 10:14.18 | themill | Zap-W: it's in the samba-common-bin package |
| 10:14.21 | rozie | but it all depends what you want to hide and from who |
| 10:14.53 | sephii | from the men in teh HELICOPTERS |
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| 10:15.08 | rozie | it's usually no point in such a (many random writes) delete |
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| 10:15.23 | rudi_s | C-boys: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/disk is another option if you have backups, I think that's a little better (but not perfect because of backup sectors of the disk). |
| 10:15.49 | rozie | and remember that all connections (not data, but connections) are logged. at least in EU |
| 10:16.02 | rozie | s/are/should be/ |
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| 10:21.10 | rozie | rudi_s's idea with encryption is pretty good on remote, dedicated server. you never know when disc will be replaced... |
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| 10:22.48 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 10:25.06 | FriarLaurence | hi, some gtk apps like gnome-terminal suddently have the old motif look since the last dist-upgrade. how can i return to the gtk2-look? |
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| 10:30.09 | pieter_ | is there a way to preseed the pinning of packages (without using late_scripts)? |
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| 10:31.31 | ksk | preseed? |
| 10:32.06 | ksk | theres apt-pinning and /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:32.32 | omid8bimo | im mounting an smb share folder which need ldap user/pass for accessing. my problem is that i need to be root to be able to create file/directory |
| 10:32.42 | omid8bimo | am i missing a flag on mount time? |
| 10:33.31 | themill | omid8bimo: -ouid=$USER,file_mode=0644,dirmode=0755 might be what you are looking for |
| 10:34.38 | jpretoo | anyone else got problems on wheezy/kde with blurry system tray icons after an upgrade? for eg. pidgin, xchat, icedove firetray |
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| 10:36.33 | pieter_ | ksk, I want to avoid changing /etc/apt/preferences in a late_command and running apt-get update etc. It is possible to add repositories via a preseed. Isn;t it possible to pin packages on repositories in that preseed? |
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| 10:39.15 | lelu | look like my issue was fixed by rebooting the server... so long 700 day uptime :( |
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| 10:41.38 | omid8bimo | themill: i think uid was what i looking for, tnx |
| 10:42.14 | babilen | lelu: You missed out on quite a lot of security updates -- uptime is absolutely not important. |
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| 10:44.08 | lelu | babilen: i ran software upgrades every week... didnt think linux required rebooting |
| 10:44.32 | babilen | lelu: Think of the kernel (and yes, kexec ...) |
| 10:44.47 | lelu | babilen: ahh yes... well this was a kernel update |
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| 10:47.19 | lelu | hmm.. I have the following "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169" pop up im guessing as it still has network access this isnt a problem. r8169 is a Realtek nic |
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| 10:47.45 | niman | hi im trying to make debian live boot with lb config and i can do that and now i need to know about how to set for auto login with gdm or gdm3 befor build live debian where in config file i must edit plz help me |
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| 10:48.36 | sedulous | does anyone have stable backports of Deluge and rTorrent? |
| 10:48.43 | babilen | lelu: yes, some realtec NICs need firmware ... Not sure if yours need too, but you should see firmware related messages in dmesg when you reload the module if that were the case. If it is working it is likely no be one of the NICs that don't need firmware. |
| 10:48.55 | themill | lelu: you can normally ignore that, but sometimes your hardware will need it. /msg dpkg rtl8168d |
| 10:51.54 | lelu | well ive installed firmware-realtek just incase |
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| 11:25.45 | carrion | Has gnome 3 made it out of testing yet? |
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| 11:26.25 | carrion | errr experimental even |
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| 11:27.16 | wols_ | carrion: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
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| 11:48.53 | sanjoyd | Which package do I have to install to have `man cc' to work? |
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| 11:53.54 | berarma | sanjoyd: gcc |
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| 11:58.15 | themill | sanjoyd: I'm guessing you actually want documentation for gcc, in which case you should "/msg dpkg gcc-doc"; I presume that the gcc-docs also install a link so that man cc gives you man gcc. |
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| 12:02.16 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have a folder of pictures (photos). Some of them needs rotating. Is there an automatic way to do that? |
| 12:02.28 | hid3 | I mean, some utility, live `convert', ...? |
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| 12:04.14 | Kjellski | Is it possible to tell the dhcpd to use a specifil interface for a subnet? |
| 12:04.20 | Kjellski | -l +c |
| 12:05.03 | themill | hid3: does the camera have a vertical sensor in it? If so there are quite a lot of programs that can do that automatically. (if not, then how can you do it automatically...) |
| 12:06.28 | themill | hid3: you also should look for something that rotates without recompressing as that kills your image quality. "jhead" can do this on the command line, digikam can do this in a gui (there are many other choices too; they're the ones I use) |
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| 12:10.50 | StooJ | I need to do some work on a windows platform and was wondering if anyone could recommend a quick&easy virtualization solution. I read that Qemu is quite slow with a Window VM and I can't seem to get Virtualbox working (bug #63657). |
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| 12:11.47 | petemc | !+dbugs 63657 |
| 12:11.50 | dpkg | DONE:#63657:N[t-gnus] t-gnus: port in authinfo file does not default to "nntp" (); Sat, 06 May 2000 07:48:32 UTC [] |
| 12:11.54 | lelu | guys... anyone here know much about lm-sensors? Ive not checked it in a while but I have noticed that its acting weird displaying in6, in7 and in0 rather than the correct labels. example here http://pastebin.com/UP9e8t9b |
| 12:11.57 | blackshirt | vmware or microsoft virtual pc |
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| 12:12.43 | StooJ | blackshirt: Debian host, and I'd prefer something Free (capital F) if possible |
| 12:12.51 | jaakkos | StooJ: kvm with libvirt is easy enough |
| 12:13.00 | jaakkos | (use virt-manager) |
| 12:13.03 | StooJ | Although I appreciate the irony |
| 12:13.18 | petemc | StooJ: that bug you posted seems not to be relevant to vbox |
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| 12:13.25 | jjjjjj | ß×£¿ÕâÊÇʲôµØ·½£¬ºÃÉñÃØßÏ£¬Ò²²»ÖªµÀÊܲ»ÊÜ»¶Ó£¡ |
| 12:13.35 | themill | !zh |
| 12:13.35 | dpkg | Ruguo nin xihuan dedao zhongwen de banzu, qin yi bu ben fuwu qi sang de #debian-zh pindao, jiaru fangfa wei zai surukuan zhong suru "/join #debian-zh" (bu yao jia yin hao), xiexie nin de hezuo! |
| 12:13.40 | StooJ | petemc: You missed a digit: !+dbugs 63657 |
| 12:13.41 | C-boys | installing the latest debian version through rescue mode, anyone has experience with this? |
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| 12:13.49 | blackshirt | Stooj : vmware run on linux, virtualbox works great too |
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| 12:14.01 | themill | StooJ: that's the bug number you posted |
| 12:14.13 | TuxFighter | Hi I got a error meldung in a chroot env while update initramfs: |
| 12:14.24 | TuxFighter | "/none: No such file or directory" |
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| 12:14.32 | StooJ | petemc: Whoops, quite right. |
| 12:14.39 | TuxFighter | I already bound proc, dev, sys |
| 12:14.41 | StooJ | !+dbugs 636572 |
| 12:14.45 | dpkg | #636572:I[virtualbox] virtualbox not working on new Testing install (); Thu, 04 Aug 2011 08:57:02 UTC [] |
| 12:14.48 | TuxFighter | but I don´t know what /none is |
| 12:14.54 | TuxFighter | anyone knows that ? |
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| 12:15.07 | StooJ | jaakkos: Will give that a while - many thanks. |
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| 12:16.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Well, I installed a Windows XP guest under Virt-Manager with KVM.. But appears to be much slower than virtualbox.. FreeBSD install is also a pain. Is there a workaround? |
| 12:16.55 | themill | StooJ: that vbox bug looks like it's mainly a bug in the dkms auto-compilation magic and is both fixed in the current dkms packages and easy enough to work around anyway. |
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| 12:18.23 | StooJ | themill: I tried working around by compiling the module myself, but I was missing the kernel source. Only kernel source I can find with apt seems to be 3.0.0 though, and I'm certainly not running that. I assume I'm missing something fairly obvious, though. |
| 12:18.40 | DSpair | Good morning all. |
| 12:18.48 | DSpair | I have a question about my Toshiba laptop and battery status. |
| 12:18.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | DSpair: Morning Mate |
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| 12:19.16 | DSpair | Regardless of my battery level, whenever I unplug I get a low battery warning in Gnome. |
| 12:19.52 | DSpair | I'm using Debian CUT, but I have noticed the same issue when using Squeeze and or Wheezy and Ubuntu. |
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| 12:20.07 | themill | StooJ: well... you obviously need to have the source installed for the kernel you are running, and the kernel in wheezy is 3.0 |
| 12:20.28 | Bushmills | DSpair: what does acpi report? |
| 12:20.37 | DSpair | Bushmills: Let me check |
| 12:20.50 | babilen | StooJ: Why don't you run 3.0 ? |
| 12:21.25 | StooJ | uname -r: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:22.28 | themill | StooJ: are you sure you're running testing? |
| 12:22.38 | DSpair | Bushmills: I do not know how to check. I see no entries in the message or dmesg log about ACPI or power. |
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| 12:22.58 | StooJ | themill: cat /etc/issue.net: Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid |
| 12:23.10 | Bushmills | on command line, you enter "acpi", followed by Enter key |
| 12:23.35 | themill | I thought the udev maintainer said that wheezy's udev wouldn't work with squeeze's kernel |
| 12:23.38 | DSpair | Bushmills: Battery 0: Discharging, 76%, 00:03:26 remaining |
| 12:23.50 | DSpair | Is that calculating 3 minutes and 26 seconds? |
| 12:23.59 | Bushmills | that's 3 minutes, right |
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| 12:24.02 | DSpair | With 76% battery level? |
| 12:24.13 | DSpair | Madness! |
| 12:24.27 | DSpair | So, there appears to be an issue in how ACPI is calculating the battery remaining time. |
| 12:24.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how to start using CUT? |
| 12:24.55 | DSpair | This is a brand spankin' new laptop and I know that it takes at least 2 hours to discharge. |
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| 12:25.12 | DSpair | sh4d3sl4y3r_: There is a debian CUT web page. Just search on Google. |
| 12:25.12 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: there is no CUT |
| 12:25.43 | DSpair | jelly: I beg to differ. |
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| 12:25.59 | DSpair | I've been running CUT for months now |
| 12:26.05 | jelly | DSpair: http://cut.debian.net/ says so! |
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| 12:26.22 | jelly | no release :-) |
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| 12:26.31 | Bushmills | depends. i'm using the ibam plugin of gkrellm which manages to calculated pretty correct times |
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| 12:26.47 | DSpair | This site may later morph into a user-focused frontend site for CUT. For now it is being used to bootstrap the CUT team. |
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| 12:26.55 | themill | DSpair: there's nothing that the debian project is producing that is called "CUT". There are proposals at best. |
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| 12:27.08 | themill | (vapourware for the most part) |
| 12:27.12 | DSpair | themill: Anyhow, it's working for me! |
| 12:27.17 | DSpair | And I like it! |
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| 12:27.33 | TuxFighter | is there any way to check the whole system for permissions, I just copied the var pration to an extra ones |
| 12:27.35 | jelly | DSpair: exactly. If there's no coherent team yet, what in the hell is a user supposed to, y'know, use? |
| 12:27.40 | TuxFighter | this causing a bunch of problems |
| 12:27.50 | TuxFighter | seems that the permissions of var were destroyed |
| 12:28.22 | DSpair | Bushmills: I'll install that and see what comes of it. Thanks for the recommendation |
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| 12:29.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jelly : mate , is there a way to boost the performance of KVM? I want to switch to it from virtualbox. But windows installation is as slow as molasses in january. and freebsd is worst |
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| 12:30.49 | DSpair | Bushmills: Looks like ibam uses APM, and the default kernel for Wheezy does not include apm support. |
| 12:31.20 | lelu | hey guys when i first ran sensors-detect a year ago it returned i2c-i801 smsc47m192 smsc47m1, however now when I run it it returns coretemp smsc47m1 smsc47m192 the hardware has not changed... |
| 12:32.08 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I don't use KVM |
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| 12:32.50 | DSpair | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Plus, using KVM on a laptop is a royal pain when you have to switch between wired and wireless! |
| 12:33.13 | DSpair | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Stick with VBox unless you have a specific need. |
| 12:33.19 | Yeretik | Can anybody explain me the difference between /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature ? |
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| 12:33.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | DSpair: i dont have a specific need. you can say the "ORACLE" issue |
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| 12:34.06 | DSpair | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I can understand that concern. I wish I have a good alternative for you. |
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| 12:35.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well, hope they release a fork like libreoffice |
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| 12:36.33 | debuggerboy | ls -l |
| 12:37.10 | debuggerboy | .oO(Zzz! Zzz!) |
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| 12:37.53 | Kharec | hi there! |
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| 12:39.19 | DSpair | Bushmills: This bug report helped to me some: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571161 |
| 12:39.27 | DSpair | s/to// |
| 12:39.56 | TuxFighter | one question for the pros: I got one system where all permissison are correct is there any way to port them ? |
| 12:40.10 | TuxFighter | to a system where the permision are destroyed |
| 12:41.11 | DSpair | TuxFighter: You could write a script, but there's no guarantees that it would work properly. |
| 12:41.16 | jelly | TuxFighter: destroyed how? |
| 12:41.27 | TuxFighter | I deleted are RAID 1 |
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| 12:41.52 | TuxFighter | however I want call my mistakes |
| 12:41.55 | zok | I just updated java using "apt-get install sun-java6-jre" but when I type 'java --version' it still says 1.5 |
| 12:42.01 | zok | Did I do something wrong? |
| 12:42.20 | DSpair | zok: You need to use update-alternatives to change your default JVM. |
| 12:42.43 | zok | Oh my |
| 12:42.45 | DSpair | zok: Try: update-alternatives --config java |
| 12:43.05 | Kharec | Someone know why glom is not in Squeeze? |
| 12:43.15 | DSpair | zok: And do the same thing for: jar, keytool, applet-viewer |
| 12:43.16 | jelly | TuxFighter: if the set of packages is matching completely, you have a decent stab at recovering. But how would a nuke of the whole array destroy just the permissions? |
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| 12:43.44 | jelly | Kharec: glom? |
| 12:43.46 | TuxFighter | no that isn´t a option |
| 12:43.58 | jelly | TuxFighter: what's your native language? |
| 12:44.01 | Kharec | jelly: http://library.gnome.org/users/glom/stable/ |
| 12:44.01 | TuxFighter | gemerna |
| 12:44.03 | jelly | !de |
| 12:44.03 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 12:44.04 | DSpair | zok: And I agree, a manually installed JVM should cause the alternatives to be updated automatically. |
| 12:44.13 | TuxFighter | is my en so bad ? |
| 12:44.25 | jelly | it's pretty bad |
| 12:44.33 | themill | dpkg: tell zok about update-java-alternatives |
| 12:44.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !in |
| 12:44.39 | dpkg | i guess in is India. For Debian India, see #debian-in |
| 12:44.41 | zok | Thanks DSpair :) |
| 12:44.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok there is one channel |
| 12:44.52 | DSpair | zok: Glad to be of assistance. |
| 12:44.55 | themill | zok, DSpair: update-java-alternatives is a much better thing to use than just update-alternatives for the java bits |
| 12:45.10 | DSpair | themill: Good tip, I did not know that existed. |
| 12:45.37 | zok | Nor did I |
| 12:45.45 | jelly | Kharec: noone packaged it? |
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| 12:46.34 | DSpair | Hmmm . . . I can SSH, SNMP, telnet, and IM from the dealership where my car is getting repaired, but IRC appears to be blocked... WEIRD! |
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| 12:47.08 | DSpair | Good thing the web IRC for freenode is pretty usable. |
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| 12:49.44 | Kharec | jelly: strange, i'm searching any trace of a discussion about that. |
| 12:50.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !windows |
| 12:50.01 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:50.17 | DSpair | themill: I cannot find a command "update-java-alternatives" to save my life. Any idea what package that might be in? |
| 12:51.20 | themill | java-common: /usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives |
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| 12:51.39 | themill | DSpair: if you have any debian java packages installed, you should have it. (also, /msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 12:51.42 | daemonkeeper | Its in java-common, which is a reverse dependency for all Javas. |
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| 12:51.49 | daemonkeeper | Probably you are not root. |
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| 12:53.21 | brevit | when dist-upgrading with aptitude: How do I exclude the installation of new packages that are simply recommendations by newer versions of other packages (without --no-recommend) ? |
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| 12:53.40 | DSpair | daemonkeeper: Doh! Good catch! |
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| 12:54.21 | brevit | sorry, I meant I want to exclude the installation of one specific recommendation. All other recommendations should be installed |
| 12:55.07 | themill | brevit: at the Y/n/q prompt, you can "_packagename" (:packagename should also work, actually). /msg dpkg aptitude ops |
| 12:56.27 | DSpair | brevit: Also, try looking at the ignore capability: http://forums.admon.org/debian/11742-make-apt-get-ignore-updating-package.html |
| 12:56.32 | brevit | themill, works, thanks :) |
| 12:56.58 | lelu | guys whats a good debian forum? |
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| 12:57.10 | DSpair | lelu: You're in it!! :) |
| 12:57.18 | brevit | forums.debian.net ? |
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| 12:57.23 | lelu | DSpair: yes but my question would fill your irc |
| 12:57.29 | themill | lelu: there's also ask.debian.net |
| 12:57.33 | brevit | lelu, that's what pastebins are for |
| 12:58.01 | brevit | lelu: http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 12:58.06 | DSpair | !seen stew |
| 12:58.07 | dpkg | stew <~stew@freenode/staff-emeritus/stew> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21d 20h 59m 38s ago, saying: 'bjacob: is build-essential installed?'. |
| 12:58.39 | DSpair | Hmmm . . . He wasn't kidding when he said he stays out of the support channel. :P |
| 13:00.11 | tdn | I get "too many open files". How can I see how many file handles are open and what is opening them? |
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| 13:01.18 | tdn | Should messages in dmesg like this one worry me: [3313622.143615] TCP: Peer 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:ffff:3ec7:cc66:60192/80 unexpectedly shrunk window 1785520470:1785524850 (repaired) ? |
| 13:01.38 | DSpair | tdn: ulilmit |
| 13:01.45 | DSpair | s/uilimit/ulimit/ |
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| 13:02.32 | tdn | DSpair, yes, it just says "unlimited" as I am root. It does not tell me who uses how many handles. |
| 13:02.40 | DSpair | tdn: Specifically: ulimit -n |
| 13:02.59 | DSpair | tdn: File handle limits are set per user/session. |
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| 13:03.32 | DSpair | tdn: And be aware that file handle limits also apply to pipes and sockets (even network sockets). |
| 13:03.45 | tdn | DSpair, ok, it says 1024, but this is still for root only, right? It is just the limit. It does not tell me how many this user is using now. Nor does it tell me what other users/processes are using? |
| 13:04.22 | DSpair | tdn: Correct. |
| 13:04.30 | DSpair | tdn: You could use "lsof |
| 13:04.48 | DSpair | tdn: You could use "lsof" with grep and wc to count the number of files for a given user. |
| 13:06.18 | TuxFighter | I really need a a help with those permissions all chmods are correct but the owner are set incorrectly |
| 13:06.34 | TuxFighter | isn´t there a way to check that |
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| 13:06.57 | lelu | ok well as pointed out by brevit, themill and DSpair I have posted my question to a pastebin as its too long to post here http://pastebin.com/kU2ChkCa |
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| 13:07.50 | niman | hi i make debian live and now i need to know how to login with gdm or gdm3 without asking username and password |
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| 13:10.06 | tdn | DSpair, ok. |
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| 13:15.54 | lelu | ahh my issue could be cause due to updating to grub2... i wonder if it has afftected how the kernel sees acpi |
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| 13:25.25 | xsergio | Hi, ksoftirqd/0 is using 100% cpu on high network traffic. How can I limit it? |
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| 13:32.49 | boudiccas | xsergio; kill it? |
| 13:33.08 | tdn | How do I increase ulimit for open file handles for a given user permanently? (I need to give www-data permission to open more files) |
| 13:33.18 | hugo___ | Hello, I can compare textfiles using (for example) diff, but can i compare two images aswell? Does anyone know if there is such tool? Ofc, I can compare the size of the two files and determine if it has changed, but can I use some util for that? |
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| 13:34.25 | boudiccas | hugo___; view the pics in kview side by side and then use the mark 1 eyeball |
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| 13:35.15 | hugo___ | boudiccas: id like to use a non graphical interface |
| 13:35.41 | boudiccas | hugo___; ah, you didnt say that qualification in your original question |
| 13:35.58 | hugo___ | Im sorry about that |
| 13:36.55 | hugo___ | boudicas: i found http://www.imagemagick.org/script/compare.php maybe that could help me. Ill read the doc |
| 13:37.06 | themill | hugo___: if you just want to see if they've changed or not, you could happily use something like md5sum over the entire collection and then diff the two md5sum outputs |
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| 13:38.04 | hugo___ | themill: ill try that aswell |
| 13:38.06 | hugo___ | thanks |
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| 13:41.37 | chipnt | i have 0% free in a tmpfs partition /lib/init/rw |
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| 13:41.53 | chipnt | how bad is that, how could i correct it ? |
| 13:42.01 | chipnt | without crashing anythin |
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| 13:46.30 | totte | I've got a small debian box with two partitions, one for / and one for /home, and have been thinking about a backup solution. Is it possible to copy the entire disk, OS and all, and restore to that from an external USB drive? |
| 13:46.53 | DasEi | totte: yes, use dd |
| 13:47.43 | helo | dd will work, but restoring will be more difficult in the case of a disk failure unless you find another disk that has exactly the same physical characteristics |
| 13:47.44 | DasEi | totte: of course the external must be same or bigger in size |
| 13:47.50 | totte | Even if the target is itself? |
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| 13:48.04 | helo | if the target is itself, don't bother making a backup :) |
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| 13:49.08 | helo | cpio | gzip works good for backing up actual data inside an ext4 partition |
| 13:49.48 | helo | so you'll save backup space, but you gotta restore your bootloader manually |
| 13:49.49 | DasEi | helo: why that ? if I dd'ed say a 500g hd which then failed, I can use another 500g model to replace it and re-dd the content |
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| 13:50.18 | helo | DasEi: not every 500GB is the same... the new one that you buy may be slightly smaller |
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| 13:50.38 | boudiccas | DasEi; i would still beinclined to back up your home directory with something else to keep it current |
| 13:50.47 | helo | DasEi: or larger, but i stopped doing that because my replacement was smaller |
| 13:51.14 | helo | for his purposes, dd won't work :P |
| 13:51.16 | jelly | DasEi: to be safe, when creating partitions make sure you're not using more than the first 500,000,000,000 bytes |
| 13:51.45 | DasEi | I see, well I raid anyway, and use unison to another box for current, helo asking |
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| 13:52.07 | DasEi | err, tott.. |
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| 13:54.07 | twobitsprite | arg... "the complete documentation is available as a GNU info manual".... |
| 13:54.10 | twobitsprite | hates that |
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| 13:54.20 | totte | Ah yeah I meant I'd probably have to log into the box first and then dd from the USB disk to the box. It's a headless. |
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| 14:01.47 | omid8bimo | hey, when i turn off my system, i get this err and takes time to shutdown. CIFS VFS: Server localshare has not responded in 300 seconds |
| 14:01.54 | omid8bimo | anyidea on how to fix it? |
| 14:02.05 | omid8bimo | i have 2 cifs share directories mounted on fstab |
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| 14:03.52 | dddbmt | Does debian use nautilus or is it just ubuntu? |
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| 14:04.26 | mns | dddbmt: that depends on what desktop you're using. |
| 14:04.48 | mns | dddbmt: if you're using GNOME it will probably be using nautilus. |
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| 14:06.11 | dddbmt | mns, okat - my question is if there's a way to restart nautilus? - I used it as sftp client and used gedit (local) to edit some files. But the connection broke, and now I can't reconnect. |
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| 14:07.52 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to connect to a Debian ssh server which has two IP addresses. A "normal" one and one via VPN. Connecting via VPN I get an error (for an hour now, didn't change anything). Any idea what's happening there? http://pastebin.com/pdciN6Mu |
| 14:07.58 | vlt | It hangs there, no connection is established. HTTP or ping works fine in that VPN. |
| 14:08.13 | th0r | dddbmt: the connection is probably hung at the other end. Try ftp in the terminal and see if you can even get a prompt from the other end. If not, restarting nautilus won't help |
| 14:09.02 | th0r | dddbmt: my bad...try connecting via ssh, not ftp |
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| 14:09.20 | dddbmt | th0r, if i ssh command line it works perfectly. |
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| 14:10.16 | th0r | dddbmt: If you can log in via ssh, check the processes (ps ax) to see if sftp is hung. I think you can restart nautilus with 'nautilus restart' but haven't run gnome in ages so that might not work |
| 14:11.23 | StooJ | Night all |
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| 14:12.06 | dddbmt | th0r, what exactly am I looking for? I can see a /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server is on the list. STAT: Ss, TIME: 0:00 |
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| 14:15.02 | th0r | dddbmt: do you have the server running all the time or just when you need it? I would be tempted to restart it if there doesn't appear to be anyone else logged into it. I think it is 'service sftp-server restart' |
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| 14:15.48 | dddbmt | th0r, I've had the same problem once before. It disappeared when I restarted my local pc. |
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| 14:15.55 | TuxFighter | is there anything like debsum to check permissions ? |
| 14:16.09 | th0r | dddbmt: ok...give that a shot....if you aren't in the middle of anything, it can't hurt |
| 14:16.20 | TuxFighter | chmod are correct but chown |
| 14:16.37 | th0r | dddbmt: you might check the process list in the local machine as well, and if you find an instance of sftp kill it |
| 14:16.59 | th0r | dddbmt: it usually isn't necessary to reboot...just find the offending process and kill it |
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| 14:18.22 | dddbmt | th0r, how do I check it's on the list? - I tried "ps ax | grep sftp-server" and got "3515 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto sftp-server". (Sorry my command line skills isn't that 1337) |
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| 14:21.11 | th0r | dddbmt: on the local machine just look for sftp. |
| 14:22.04 | TuxFighter | is there any find command to find all files and directorys which are not owned by root ? |
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| 14:22.52 | babilen | TuxFighter: And idea would be to reinstall all installed packages (aptitude reinstall ~i) -- but that will not get everything. Do you have backups? |
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| 14:23.19 | genieliu | TuxFighter: use the grep command? |
| 14:23.24 | TuxFighter | please don´t search alternative I don´t have alternatives |
| 14:23.28 | TuxFighter | maybe |
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| 14:26.16 | twobitsprite | anyone know of a good way to dynamically start vncservers? I'm looking to set up a sort of terminal server for a number of people, but I don't want that many X server instances running all the time... |
| 14:26.28 | dddbmt | th0r, "nautilus restart" worked for me. Thanks a lot for your time! |
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| 14:26.55 | arafangion | What's a good website to read if one wants to actually bother *choosing* a good filesystem for an SSD? |
| 14:26.57 | twobitsprite | I mean, I could tell people to ssh in, start their server and log in, then hope they remember to stop the server when they're done... but I was looking for a cleaner solution |
| 14:27.17 | arafangion | I want to choose the "best" filesystem for my 40GB SSD on an Atom system, and no, I don't have a definition for 'best'. |
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| 14:28.34 | arafangion | twobitsprite: What's your issue? |
| 14:28.39 | twobitsprite | arafangion: if you don't have a definition for best, how would you know when you found it? |
| 14:29.33 | twobitsprite | arafangion: I'm looking to run multiple vncservers on a machine, but I would like them to be only running when in use instead of always running |
| 14:29.54 | arafangion | twobitsprite: Does it matter if they're always running? (RAM would be the main issue, not CPU) |
| 14:30.12 | twobitsprite | arafangion: yes, it does, or I wouldn't be asking the question :) |
| 14:30.26 | arafangion | twobitsprite: RAM, then? |
| 14:30.34 | Ragnar | I have the following interfaces: eth0, tun0 and tun1, routing and everything is in place, and nodes from all those interfaces can ping the interface address, but e.g. nodes on tun0 cant ping on tun1, and tun0 cant ping anything behind eth0 |
| 14:30.44 | twobitsprite | arafangion: yes, ram |
| 14:30.44 | Ragnar | isnt there like an iptables MASQUERADE rule I need to put in place |
| 14:30.44 | Ragnar | ? |
| 14:30.54 | arafangion | twobitsprite: Hmm. I'd use a kind of screensaver, then. |
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| 14:31.21 | arafangion | twobitsprite: With the screensaver saying "Closing session in 52 minutes..." |
| 14:31.48 | arafangion | twobitsprite: Getting a crapload of RAM isn't an option? :( |
| 14:31.51 | twobitsprite | arafangion: ohh, sure, something like that would work to *stop* the session, but I was wondering if there was a way to have them *started* on demand |
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| 14:32.18 | twobitsprite | arafangion: other than the user logging in to manually start it up |
| 14:32.20 | arafangion | twobitsprite: Many years ago when I looked into something like this, it was started ond emand. |
| 14:32.26 | arafangion | *on demand. |
| 14:32.30 | arafangion | But it was via gdm, I think. |
| 14:32.40 | twobitsprite | hmm |
| 14:32.53 | arafangion | Consider nomachine. |
| 14:33.01 | arafangion | I've not used it, but they seem very good. |
| 14:33.10 | arafangion | vnc is pretty much the worst solution. |
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| 14:35.00 | twobitsprite | yeah, I could tell everyone to just get cygwin/X and remote X in to the machine... but the windows weenies around here like to VNC in to the linux boxes |
| 14:35.19 | twobitsprite | I was just hoping there was some kind of vnc multiplexer or something simple like that |
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| 14:35.49 | arafangion | nomachine's cross platform, too. |
| 14:35.52 | arafangion | But commercial. |
| 14:36.25 | arafangion | remotedesktop's pretty good, too. |
| 14:36.54 | twobitsprite | remotedesktop in to a linux system? |
| 14:37.29 | arafangion | Yes. |
| 14:37.42 | arafangion | http://www.xrdp.org/ |
| 14:37.54 | arafangion | Again, I haven't used that precise setup. |
| 14:38.21 | totte | This may be a silly question but I can't recall there having been updated packages available for my debian box since I installed the OS about two months ago. On Ubuntu there'd be like a handful of updates a week. Is this normal? |
| 14:38.45 | arafangion | totte: You must be on debian stable? |
| 14:38.46 | mns | totte: what version of debian are you running ? |
| 14:39.08 | arafangion | totte: Do you have security updates in your sources list? |
| 14:39.21 | babilen | totte: Could be -- Would you permit us to look at your /etc/apt/sources.list ? (paste it do http://paste.debian.net please) along with output of "apt-cache policy" and "aptitude search ~U" |
| 14:39.21 | totte | I'm on Squeeze. |
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| 14:40.14 | arafangion | The main concern here is to 1) Ensure you're not on old-stable, however unintentionally, and 2) Ensure that you ARE getting security updates. |
| 14:40.23 | twobitsprite | There have been at least 1 if not 2 minor version updates to squeeze in the past 2 months, you should have seen a number of updates |
| 14:40.24 | arafangion | If they're both good, however, then... Enjoy the stability. |
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| 14:40.41 | blackshirt | totte: you should include security updates mirror on your sources.list |
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| 14:41.06 | babilen | waits for some data |
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| 14:41.42 | davve | hey all. im trying to install debian with netinstall iso |
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| 14:41.54 | babilen | davve: ok |
| 14:41.54 | arafangion | Oh that's right! |
| 14:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | arafangion: What's wrong with oldstable? |
| 14:41.56 | davve | and gui install wont work |
| 14:42.09 | arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Fewer security updates. |
| 14:42.13 | davve | it wont show the letters at all, instead just boxes as if the font is missing :/ |
| 14:42.22 | davve | tried both 32 and 64 bit |
| 14:42.28 | davve | havent tried it with CLI |
| 14:42.29 | babilen | davve: Does the text based installer work? What kind of system are you installing on? What is the actuall issue you run into? |
| 14:42.31 | jhutchins_lt | arafangion: Presumably because fewer are needed. |
| 14:42.31 | davve | commandline |
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| 14:42.42 | jhutchins_lt | arafangion: It's still supported for security. |
| 14:42.49 | arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Neat. |
| 14:42.56 | davve | babilen: my new thinkpad, havent tried text yet |
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| 14:42.59 | totte | http://paste.debian.net/126397/ |
| 14:43.05 | babilen | davve: Which model? |
| 14:43.09 | arafangion | wishes he had some idea as to what a good filesystem is for an SSD - emphasis on "fast". |
| 14:43.12 | davve | x220 |
| 14:43.12 | jhutchins_lt | arafangion: They _will_ drop security updates in February though. |
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| 14:43.32 | davve | it is testing btw, so to have the newer kernel for sandy bridge support.. |
| 14:43.38 | davve | installer is running |
| 14:43.46 | davve | just instead of text on the gui there are boxes... |
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| 14:43.59 | tdn | How do I increase ulimit for open file handles for a given user permanently? (I need to give www-data permission to open more files) |
| 14:44.02 | davve | its a bit bizarr |
| 14:44.04 | twobitsprite | arafangion: xrdp looks perfect actually, thanks for the top |
| 14:44.06 | babilen | davve: You will need a newer kernel as .32 does not support your NIC yet. |
| 14:44.09 | twobitsprite | s/top/tip/ |
| 14:44.11 | babilen | !tell davve -about kmuto |
| 14:44.53 | babilen | davve: Install with the text based installer and replace your kernel after the initial install with one from http://backports.debian.org -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 14:45.25 | twobitsprite | arafangion: regarding SSD, just choose a filesystem with the features/performance you want as if it wasn't on an SSD... any SSD specific stuff should be handled by the SSD's firmware |
| 14:45.29 | davve | babilen: aye, good idea. |
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| 14:45.54 | babilen | davve: I also think that you might actually be forced to upgrade to wheezy or even sid for your intel hd 3000 gfx card to function properly. In that case you shouldn't use the bdo kernel though. |
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| 14:46.29 | jjjjjj | ¶¹¶¹½øÀ´ |
| 14:46.39 | babilen | davve: I have a SB T420 and it is working well with sid, but you definitely don't want to run sid if you are not experienced with Debian and/or Linux. |
| 14:46.41 | davve | so should i try another installer alltogether or install using testing iso? |
| 14:46.54 | davve | i am with linux |
| 14:46.56 | Klowner | does anyone know if there are archive apt repos for semi-ancient (etch specifically) releases? |
| 14:47.09 | davve | have run several other distributions before, including non-graphic slackare (back in the 90's) :P |
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| 14:47.22 | blackshirt | totte: you are not include security updates |
| 14:47.26 | arafangion | twobitsprite: The feature I want is "fast", but I'm unsure if they differ much in that respect. |
| 14:47.57 | davve | installing with ncurses installer now :) |
| 14:48.15 | babilen | davve: The testing installer (the *installer*) has a couple of problems and we had numerous reports of failed installations. Use the stable installer ... You could try to install wheezy with the stable installer, but I would actually recommend to install squeeze first. You *need* the kmuto installer as the kernel on the regular images do not support your NIC. |
| 14:48.28 | babilen | !tell totte -about squeeze security |
| 14:48.33 | karlpinc | !tell Klowner about archive.debian.org |
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| 14:48.49 | davve | babilen: ok |
| 14:49.08 | twobitsprite | arafangion: the SSD is already fast, so just find a filesystem which is fast by design and you should be good |
| 14:49.13 | Klowner | karlpinc: ah wonderful, thank you |
| 14:49.55 | totte | Thanks, yeah, added it. I also misunderstood what "aptitude update" does and doesn't do... I thought it installed new packages, not only checked for available updates, d'oh. T_T |
| 14:50.09 | karlpinc | Klowner: Be sure to read the release notes if you plan on upgrading. |
| 14:50.35 | karlpinc | Klowner: (And only upgrade to the next release, don't skip any.) |
| 14:50.43 | twobitsprite | arafangion: if you're looking to test a beta filesystem (i.e., you back up regularly and/or don't care about your data) try btrfs |
| 14:51.05 | Klowner | karlpinc: gotcha, I'm following a guide, it's for a little ARM based Buffalo NAS device |
| 14:51.06 | arafangion | twobitsprite: I will certainly be backing up regularly. |
| 14:51.25 | arafangion | twobitsprite: But btrfs isn't written for performance, isn't it? |
| 14:51.28 | karlpinc | Klowner: The release notes are the offical guide. |
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| 14:51.52 | karlpinc | Klowner: Mostly you only need pay attention to chapter 4, but the rest is there if you need it. |
| 14:51.56 | twobitsprite | arafangion: all filesystems are "written for performance", the question is whether or not they have the performance profile you're looking for. |
| 14:52.03 | Klowner | karlpinc: great, thanks again |
| 14:52.05 | babilen | totte: There are also a few cosmetical issues. And example of a working sources.list is http://paste.debian.net/126398/ -- but you might not want squeeze-updates |
| 14:52.10 | DasEi | totte: check sources.list, run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, generally spoken the "activity is not so high on updates as in ubuntu, is because it aims more for stabiltiy then the latest hype |
| 14:52.12 | arafangion | Neat, apparently I can use "any iso image" for a USB install. |
| 14:52.24 | twobitsprite | arafangion: there are pages and pages written about filesystem performance all over the web, I'm sure you can find plenty to read up on |
| 14:52.35 | arafangion | twobitsprite: Well, zfs is one example of a bad choice for me, imho. |
| 14:52.40 | twobitsprite | arafangion: why? |
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| 14:53.11 | karlpinc | arafangion: Yes, but there are a few known problems regards the install image and a usb install. (I don't know what they are but they don't seem widespread.) |
| 14:53.25 | arafangion | twobitsprite: It has more of an emphasis on a number of quite good filesystem features other than performance. |
| 14:53.34 | arafangion | karlpinc: I'm assuming I can boot it fine. |
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| 14:53.45 | twobitsprite | arafangion: zfs is a fast filesystem, depending on what you're using it for |
| 14:53.47 | arafangion | karlpinc: I have an 8GB memory stick. |
| 14:53.50 | babilen | davve: Good luck -- I would personally recommend to run wheezy on that platform, but that might turn into an administration nightmare for you if you are not that familiar with Debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable for some tips and tricks (apt-listbugs / apt-listchanges are important for example) |
| 14:53.54 | arafangion | twobitsprite: Also, this is an ATOM system. |
| 14:54.05 | arafangion | I suspect zfs would be more heavy with CPU usage. |
| 14:54.11 | twobitsprite | arafangion: suspect, or know? |
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| 14:54.28 | davve | babilen: thats okay, im going to try a different distribution |
| 14:54.30 | karlpinc | arafangion: You _should_ be able to, but I believe that booting is where most of the problems come up. Just try it and if you do happen to be one of those people with a problem ask here. |
| 14:54.41 | twobitsprite | arafangion: I highly suggest you google and find some actual data on the subject instead of guessing based on your vague impressions |
| 14:54.41 | babilen | davve: That would essentially mean that you install squeeze using the kmuto image and then upgrade to wheezy. Wheezy/sid support is available in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:54.42 | davve | still running deb on my desktop |
| 14:54.43 | davve | :) |
| 14:54.43 | karlpinc | arafangion: (I've not heard of any problems lately....) |
| 14:54.44 | daemonkeeper | ZFS is known to have some problems for system with few RAM (i.e. less than 4G) |
| 14:54.52 | babilen | davve: Which one? |
| 14:54.55 | davve | fedora |
| 14:55.11 | davve | see how it goes |
| 14:55.18 | arafangion | Yeah, I don't think ZFS would be a good choice for a small system. I've heard that ZFS on a large SUN server works very nicely, though. |
| 14:55.28 | arafangion | twobitsprite: I guess it's time for me to hit the google. |
| 14:55.29 | babilen | davve: ugh, well .. OK. I would give Debian a try, but isn't it great that you have choice? Which version of the Xorg driver for intel does Fedora ship? |
| 14:56.07 | twobitsprite | arafangion: indeed. filesystem performance is a complex topic and there is *much* written about it |
| 14:56.09 | davve | not sure, i may have to replace it |
| 14:56.22 | davve | which do you recommend? |
| 14:56.45 | davve | installation is supposed to be painless from what ive read |
| 14:56.49 | arafangion | twobitsprite: I'd be looking into encrypted filesystems, just for the heck of it, but alas, the computer I'm installing this onto won't have hardware encryption. :( |
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| 14:57.00 | davve | and im not astranged to try different distributions |
| 14:57.03 | babilen | davve: You need at least 2.15 IIRC -- That is essentially the reason why you have to upgrade to Debian testing as stable ships with 2.13 and backportant X and the drivers is a major pain in the arse. |
| 14:57.07 | davve | if i dont like it i may give funtoo a go |
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| 14:57.29 | davve | babilen: ah, thanks |
| 14:57.33 | arnet | hey, people of debian. People at this mail list (http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-debian/2011-05/msg01472.html) say that "experimental support of dlink 525 added in 2.6.28-5 in wheezy. I assume that wheezy has dlink 525 support out of the box, right? So, if I have a wheezy iso with linux-image 3.0 then it should work. |
| 14:57.42 | karlpinc | davve: You suffer from the curse of new hardware. |
| 14:57.47 | arnet | 2.6.38-5 |
| 14:58.01 | babilen | davve: Sure, just wanted to provide good support. Have fun and may you find what you are looking for. *I* would personally strongly recommend to give Debian testing a try, but it is up to you. Good luck! |
| 14:58.07 | davve | karlpinc: i'd like to think of it as im blessed with it |
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| 14:58.11 | davve | :) |
| 14:58.24 | babilen | davve: heh |
| 14:58.37 | davve | this thing is georgous |
| 14:58.46 | babilen | arnet: You can install a .39 kernel from backports -- No need to track testing |
| 14:58.50 | davve | i lub deb, for now |
| 14:58.52 | babilen | !tell arnet -about bdo kernel |
| 14:59.05 | davve | may give it a go some other time, i always keep my dotfiles and stuff |
| 14:59.18 | babilen | davve: Sure -- have fun :) |
| 14:59.58 | arnet | babilen: thanks |
| 15:00.00 | karlpinc | !tell arnet about overview |
| 15:00.05 | arafangion | is leaning towards xfs. |
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| 15:00.11 | arafangion | I'm bored with ext3, to be honest. |
| 15:00.13 | arnet | I guess if I unpack the kernel I can find there an alias file |
| 15:00.24 | arnet | and find info I need |
| 15:00.35 | davve | babilen: thank you! |
| 15:00.37 | arnet | I mean if I unpack debian kernel package |
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| 15:00.51 | karlpinc | arnet: Why would you do that? Why not just install it an use it? |
| 15:01.45 | arnet | let me try to explain :) |
| 15:02.13 | jelly | arafangion: being bored with it is THE best thing you can ask of a filesystem |
| 15:02.22 | babilen | indeed |
| 15:02.24 | mns | should I use ntfs-3g or ntfsprogs ? they conflict with each other it seems. |
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| 15:04.03 | arafangion | jelly: Well, yes... But I have the curse of the New System. |
| 15:04.12 | arafangion | jelly: Which is to say, it has to be "Better(TM)". |
| 15:04.23 | jelly | mns: you're using testing or unstable? ntfs-3g |
| 15:04.41 | arnet | I need to be sure that it works in wheezy because if it is, I can safely install wheezy. I don't have problems with stability on that machine. |
| 15:04.58 | mns | jelly: I'm using testing. |
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| 15:05.15 | jelly | arafangion: I like my machines to be "Workingâ¢" |
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| 15:06.12 | pickcoder | how far back does judd keep package versions? |
| 15:06.13 | arnet | thanks for the tips |
| 15:06.45 | arafangion | jelly: It only has to be more reliable than HFS. |
| 15:06.46 | jelly | pickcoder: Powers That Be make it know about the stuff that's on the mirrors |
| 15:06.53 | themill | pickcoder: judd knows about the packages that are in the Packages files on the mirrors. No more, no less. |
| 15:06.53 | arafangion | jelly: Because my work systems use HFS+. |
| 15:07.00 | pickcoder | ok |
| 15:07.14 | arafangion | This particular system will be my home system, so not mission critical. |
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| 15:07.33 | jelly | pickcoder: and backports.d.o and d-m |
| 15:07.57 | jelly | arafangion: I like my home system to be "Workingâ¢" as well, YMMV |
| 15:08.11 | pickcoder | just trying to remember when apach2 hit the repos |
| 15:08.15 | jelly | arafangion: fwiw, ext4 seems to be good enough for casual usage |
| 15:08.21 | themill | pickcoder: the changelog would tell you that |
| 15:08.33 | pickcoder | of course it would, but I'm too lazy right now |
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| 15:09.59 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 15:09.59 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
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| 15:11.31 | themill | ,uploader apache2 2.0.37-2 |
| 15:11.32 | judd | Package apache2 version 2.0.37-2 was uploaded by Thom May on 2002-06-28, last changed by Thom May and maintained by Debian Apache List. |
| 15:11.44 | themill | (that's the earliest upload that's in the upload_history table) |
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| 15:12.23 | arafangion | jelly: That's on my list of options. |
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| 15:12.35 | pickcoder | where did you get that info>? |
| 15:12.41 | arafangion | Considering reiser, as well, but I suspect that's no-longer well developed. |
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| 15:13.13 | themill | pickcoder: "select source,version,date from upload_history where source = 'apache2' order by date limit 1;". Are you sorry you asked yet? |
| 15:13.53 | pickcoder | nope |
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| 15:14.01 | pickcoder | though that's meaningless to me since I don't use SQL |
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| 15:19.05 | arafangion | pickcoder: he was being somewhat sarcastic. |
| 15:20.26 | sedulous | does anyone have squeeze backports of Deluge and rTorrent? |
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| 15:22.18 | pickcoder | I was being completely sarcastic |
| 15:22.19 | pickcoder | :) |
| 15:22.49 | themill | sedulous: rtorrent isn't a trivial backport but the backport is also not needed for you to backport deluge |
| 15:23.26 | sedulous | themill: have you tried rtorrent? i noticed that the testing rtorrent demands a more recent libstdc++ than the squeeze version |
| 15:23.48 | themill | that's hardly surprising |
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| 15:24.04 | themill | (and that's why you don't try mixing releases...) |
| 15:24.21 | sedulous | i'll just try it. i already have cowbuilder configured for something else |
| 15:25.19 | sedulous | to paraphrase a famous quote "i don't know much about backports yet but it sounds like a pretty simply [sic] job" (original: s/backports/high power electricity/) |
| 15:27.55 | arafangion | Looks like performance wise, I'm best off with either ext4, or btrfs. |
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| 15:28.12 | arafangion | btrfs+compression, anyway, according to http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux2635_btrfs&num=4 |
| 15:28.23 | sedulous | ext4 performance is decent for general use, arafangion, particulary with its "extents" feature which ext3 does not have |
| 15:28.38 | sedulous | (large file i/o speed) |
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| 15:29.47 | arafangion | I suppose that could be why ext4 is killing the competition for specific performance areas. |
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| 15:31.46 | arafangion | Apparently btrfs also supports extents, but I guess they implement them quite differently. |
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| 15:35.31 | helo | how do i determine what driver is being used for eth0? |
| 15:35.39 | helo | can i use /sys for that? |
| 15:36.03 | jelly | helo: lspci -v |
| 15:36.09 | arafangion | lspci -nnk |
| 15:36.10 | themill | !which ethernet driver |
| 15:36.10 | dpkg | To find out what kernel modules your Ethernet cards are using, look in dmesg, look at the output of "lspci -k", ask me about <which module for 0200>, use "ethtool --driver eth0", or "readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver" or run: for i in `lspci | grep -i net| cut -f1 -d\ ` ; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done | awk -F/ '{print $8}' |
| 15:36.30 | helo | ahh nice |
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| 15:37.13 | arafangion | Or, lspci -nnk :) |
| 15:37.24 | helo | no lspci |
| 15:37.35 | arafangion | Install it. |
| 15:37.43 | arafangion | It's easy to compile, even. |
| 15:37.49 | arafangion | But for debian... Install it. |
| 15:37.51 | helo | no root ;) |
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| 15:38.34 | helo | and the system running it is not even debian... i'm putting debian on it, and needed to figure out what the existing system was using |
| 15:38.56 | helo | maybe OT in here, but debian is involved peripherally :) |
| 15:39.08 | arafangion | Does it have a compiler toolset? |
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| 15:40.08 | helo | it would be a pain in the ass to insert lspci into the yaffs running in nand, the 'readlink /sys...' worked |
| 15:40.08 | arafangion | If yes, then compile and install pciutils 3.1.7, and then you'll be able to run lspci -nnk |
| 15:40.21 | zach23 | I have a Dell poweredge server and there is no CD drive with the server, only hard drives and a USB. Is it possible to install through a thumbdrive or can it be messy? |
| 15:40.23 | arafangion | Ah... |
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| 15:40.55 | arafangion | zach23: Seems to be documented, I'm planning to do similar when I get my shuttle PC. |
| 15:41.02 | sanjoyd | has always installed debian from a USB drive. |
| 15:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | !tell zach23 about usb install |
| 15:41.15 | sanjoyd | These days, CD ROMs are messier. :) |
| 15:41.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | zach23: you can use dd to write the iso image to the usb and install from it |
| 15:41.50 | zach23 | ahh okay, as the page explains, thank you |
| 15:42.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sanjoyd: correct mate.. specially the notebook ones ! which stops reading after a year or two |
| 15:42.15 | arafangion | sanjoyd: And frequently require a trip to get a blank disk. |
| 15:42.19 | sedulous | does the debian install cd contain a grub2 "loopback" configuration file nowadays? |
| 15:42.34 | sedulous | (like GRML) |
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| 15:43.10 | klusias | hello. seems one application needs /etc/ld.so.nohwcap how can i install that file? |
| 15:43.30 | sedulous | klusias: you can use the "apt-file" program to find out which package contains a file |
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| 15:48.14 | jhutchins_lt | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Current practice recommends cat rather than dd, please consult the Install Guide before giving advice. |
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| 15:48.25 | TuxFighter | Is there a way to suing cp without loosing ownerships of files |
| 15:48.36 | arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Why cat rather than dd? |
| 15:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | arafangion: I'm not sure, and I'm not sure the difference is significant, I just know that's what the docs recommend. |
| 15:49.06 | themill | TuxFighter: "man cp" covers this exact point |
| 15:49.28 | jhutchins_lt | arafangion: I think the block device nature of dd can have unintended consequences. |
| 15:49.48 | TuxFighter | there isn´t any man |
| 15:51.04 | themill | TuxFighter: if you have cp, you have the man page. |
| 15:51.05 | arafangion | jhutchins_lt: I suspect it's just becase 'cat' is a simpler command. |
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| 15:52.38 | zach23 | where can I download a simple CD image to use for squeee for installation - just one that fits on CD? |
| 15:52.55 | ksk | debian.org |
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| 15:53.11 | ksk | not too hard :p |
| 15:54.24 | jhutchins_lt | zach23: We usually recommend the netinstall image. |
| 15:54.35 | jhutchins_lt | zach23: We also strongly recommend reading the release notes and install guide. |
| 15:54.38 | zach23 | ahh okay im getting that now |
| 15:55.17 | arafangion | asks zach23 to wait while he downloads his iso image. |
| 15:55.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jhutchins_lt: any ideas, which is the default login manager for the lxde/xfce version? |
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| 15:55.51 | jhutchins_lt | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I would guess xdm |
| 15:56.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 15:58.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Anyone who has experience of KVM? Need help. The windows XP/freebsd guests are working very much slower than they do under virtualbox. Any tweaks? |
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| 15:59.01 | Tekk_ | does debian support full encryption? |
| 15:59.04 | Tekk_ | / and /home |
| 15:59.17 | Tekk_ | (I assume that /boot has to be unencrypted) |
| 15:59.52 | arafangion | I'm sure it's possible to do full HDD encryption. |
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| 16:00.07 | Tekk_ | arafangion: I mean from the default installer |
| 16:00.10 | RangerRick | trying to build http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-fedora-ds/mozilla-ldap-sdk/trunk/debian/ but I'm unfamiliar with the '3.0 (quilt)' format. What do I name the original tar.gz to make it happy? (build log: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124058 ) |
| 16:00.41 | RangerRick | I've tried mozldap_6.0.7.orig.tar.gz mozilla-ldap-sdk_6.0.7.orig.tar.gz, the same with 6.0.7+onms-1 as the version, nothing seems to make it happy |
| 16:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | !encryption |
| 16:00.43 | dpkg | Encryption is useful to keep data protected on your system. There is a nice guide on how to use LVM encrypted partitions at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 . See also <dm-crypt>, <encfs>, <gpg>, <luks>. |
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| 16:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | Tekk_: You should also read the install guide for relevant information. |
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| 16:03.16 | totte | I've tried Googling but I don't understand - what's the difference between S/FTP and SAMBA/AFP (Netatalk) that makes the latter so much faster? I understand that they are restricted to local networks (or are they?) but no more than that. |
| 16:03.17 | Tekk_ | mhm |
| 16:03.18 | Tekk_ | thanks |
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| 16:03.44 | Tekk_ | totte: you can sftp anywhere |
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| 16:04.03 | enjoycrf | is encrypting the home folder make my comp slow? |
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| 16:04.34 | daemonkeeper | FSVO |
| 16:04.43 | Tekk_ | enjoycrf: It's not that much overhead, from what I remember |
| 16:04.54 | daemonkeeper | Slow_er_ sure, generally "slow" probably not. |
| 16:05.13 | totte | Tekk_: Yeah I suppose but I don't see how that's relevant? |
| 16:05.16 | Tekk_ | yeah, it's barely noticable |
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| 16:05.20 | enjoycrf | do i need to enter a password |
| 16:05.23 | enjoycrf | everytime |
| 16:05.27 | wols_ | enjoycrf: very much depends on how it's implemented. with AES-NI it's usually unnoticeable |
| 16:05.31 | daemonkeeper | That's the point, isn't it? |
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| 16:05.39 | daemonkeeper | (You can also use a key) |
| 16:05.57 | Tekk_ | totte: no I was just correcting you when you said that that it's local only ;) |
| 16:06.00 | enjoycrf | and how hard would it be to hack my data |
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| 16:06.15 | Tekk_ | enjoycrf: depends on your password |
| 16:06.18 | Yeretik | Can anybody explain me the difference between /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature ? |
| 16:06.21 | enjoycrf | ok |
| 16:06.29 | enjoycrf | i might start using that |
| 16:07.11 | Tekk_ | on this general topic, did anyone else notice the major flaw in the password xkcd? |
| 16:07.13 | totte | Tekk_: My bad, poorly phrased question. I meant that I assume SAMBA/AFP are local networks only - but I don't understand why they are faster than S/FTP over a local network. |
| 16:07.15 | enjoycrf | how many ppl here use the home folder encryption |
| 16:07.18 | RangerRick | (is there a better place to talk about dpkg-buildpackage stuff? not seeing anything obvious in the topic) |
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| 16:09.48 | phao | Hi. Does the debian package manager handle dependencies? like Archlinux's pacman? |
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| 16:10.06 | themill | phao: that's the whole point of apt. |
| 16:10.12 | phao | thx |
| 16:10.35 | jhutchins_lt | phao: Aptitude has the most advanced dependency management. |
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| 16:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | phao: (Within the apt system) |
| 16:11.02 | phao | and that is.... the one used by debian? |
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| 16:11.36 | phao | I am a archlinux user, but I am starting to dislike the whole rolling thing |
| 16:11.42 | phao | not-rolling seems to give more stability |
| 16:11.43 | RafaelFuturo | hi we just install a debian on a lenovo mini lapto and network dont seen to work |
| 16:12.05 | phao | I remember people I know are smart telling me that debian was a good distro. |
| 16:12.15 | RafaelFuturo | i see the connection been stablish but i cant browse the internet on the web browser |
| 16:12.20 | wols_ | RafaelFuturo: what wlan chip? |
| 16:12.21 | Tekk_ | phao: it is |
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| 16:12.28 | RafaelFuturo | wired |
| 16:12.38 | Tekk_ | phao: and you can pick between rolling and not rolling. I use the (rolling) testing :) |
| 16:12.43 | wols_ | RafaelFuturo: ping google.de |
| 16:12.49 | phao | well... I am downloading it.. gonna see what happens. |
| 16:13.10 | phao | I am downloading the two dvds |
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| 16:13.20 | RafaelFuturo | on terminal? |
| 16:13.25 | arafangion | The transition points can be annoying, though, even if you have the rolling/not rolling choice. |
| 16:13.48 | enjoycrf | y would u want to reinstall everytime u want to upgrade |
| 16:13.50 | themill | phao: no need to download two dvds... the small netinstall is enough for most people |
| 16:14.05 | Tekk_ | phao: yeah, I'd grab CD1 at the heaviest |
| 16:14.27 | Tekk_ | phao: CD2, CD3, etc. are the repositories(I'm not kidding, debian has all of its repositories on cd/dvd) |
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| 16:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | RafaelFuturo: How have you configured it? |
| 16:14.41 | phao | I cannot do net install |
| 16:14.46 | jhutchins_lt | RafaelFuturo: Is it static or DHCP? |
| 16:15.01 | RafaelFuturo | inging google.de works fine on terminal |
| 16:15.05 | phao | I suppose net install would download packages during the installation |
| 16:15.07 | RafaelFuturo | DHCP |
| 16:15.12 | wols_ | RafaelFuturo: so what is your actual error? |
| 16:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | phao: aptitude is one of the command line tools for managing packages. |
| 16:15.28 | jhutchins_lt | phao: Correct. |
| 16:15.39 | RafaelFuturo | the browser wont work epifany nor iceweasel |
| 16:15.59 | phao | I am gonna check if the packages I use are in those dvds |
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| 16:16.13 | jhutchins_lt | RafaelFuturo: Interesting. Is there a proxy or firewall? |
| 16:16.46 | RafaelFuturo | no none of that |
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| 16:16.58 | staar2 | hello |
| 16:17.17 | wols_ | !tell RafaelFuturo about doesn't work |
| 16:17.20 | jhutchins_lt | RafaelFuturo: This is usually not a useful step with Linux, but if this is a new install you might just try rebooting. |
| 16:17.55 | phao | well, thx. |
| 16:18.03 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: why? |
| 16:18.06 | RafaelFuturo | did still same |
| 16:18.26 | staar2 | could anyone help me to choose correct debian architecture, i have amd fx-55, should i go for amd64 or i368 ? |
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| 16:18.44 | wols_ | staar2: either will work. how much RAM do you have? |
| 16:18.51 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: I've had several recent installations where it took more than one reboot for the system to sort itself out. Mostly Debian, but i've seen it on Ubuntu or Mandriva as well. |
| 16:19.04 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: sort out what? |
| 16:19.12 | staar2 | wols_: 1gig |
| 16:19.12 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Especially since dependency based booting. |
| 16:19.17 | wols_ | staar2: use i386 then |
| 16:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Usually aspects of networking. |
| 16:19.28 | staar2 | ok ty |
| 16:19.39 | RafaelFuturo | debian site works fine but if i try to got somewhere else nothing is debian site local? |
| 16:19.40 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: WHICH? names, details, juicy bits! |
| 16:19.44 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: What would your recommended path be for able to ping from console but not able to browse? |
| 16:20.06 | wols_ | RafaelFuturo: unless you tell us the error messages you get we cannot help you. "doesn't work" is not enough. and www.debian.org is not local |
| 16:20.33 | jhutchins_lt | RafaelFuturo: Indulge wols_, he knows his stuff. |
| 16:20.34 | RafaelFuturo | ok let me see |
| 16:20.36 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: read the backlog. not that I am successful |
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| 16:20.49 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: and you still haven't answered me |
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| 16:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: If I knew the specifics, I probably wouldn't have rebooted. Getting wifi working on this 6.x netbook was a struggle, but seemed to magically sort itself out about the third boot. |
| 16:21.54 | rafiyr | Ooc is there some way to tell apt to always build a package from source? |
| 16:22.09 | Tekk_ | rafiyr: that's a dpkg thing |
| 16:22.18 | wols_ | jhutchins_lt: but you still knew what didn't work when it didn't work, right? ie, which part? |
| 16:22.39 | wols_ | rafiyr: no. if you want that, use LFS or gentoo |
| 16:22.42 | simonlnu | rafiyr: apt-get --build source <some_source_package> ? |
| 16:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Yes, I knew. Six months or so ago when I did it. |
| 16:23.13 | simonlnu | i'm glad someone understood |
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| 16:23.47 | rafiyr | Yeah, no problem with doing it manually. It would just be nice to mark a specific package for build instead of binary whenever apt-get/aptitude/etc want to upgrade it. |
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| 16:25.27 | rafiyr | Specifically I've had odd problems with input utils. I have not checked to see if its just my custom kernels or if also fails on distro kernels. It's probably just a bug that should be reported, but it just made me a bit curious. |
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| 16:29.19 | jhutchins_lt2 | ,versions amarok |
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| 16:29.21 | judd | Package amarok on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.10-2lenny1; squeeze: 2.3.1-1; squeeze-backports: 2.4.1-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.4.3-1; wheezy: 2.4.3-1 |
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| 16:29.30 | simonlnu | rafiyr: best way is too install a debian kernel and try that ;) |
| 16:29.38 | simonlnu | s,too,to, |
| 16:29.42 | hugo___ | Im using rdiff-backup and id like to backup a single file, this seems impossible as rdiff-backup only backs up folders. Does any one know a way to just process a single file and add increments? Maybe some nifty cmd that uses --include --exlude |
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| 16:29.58 | hroi | hi |
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| 16:30.17 | jhutchins_lt2 | What's a lightweight player for audio streams that can import an m3u playlist? KDE not Gnome. |
| 16:30.18 | peterrooney | Given that http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/lame exists, what does that say about the debian project's view on patent infringement? |
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| 16:31.50 | rafiyr | simonlnu: yes, it fails and is a known/discussed bug |
| 16:31.55 | Tekk_ | peterrooney: that it makes no sense to punish all users for the US' stupidity? |
| 16:31.59 | systst | hi, i've got and usb stick based on sis163u chipset, on windows I successfully managed to make it work as access point using hostednetwork service I'd like to know if it's possible the same thing on debian squeeze (I've already installed the dongle using ndiswrappare and it created a wlan0 device) |
| 16:32.02 | themill | peterrooney: http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq |
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| 16:32.05 | hugo___ | peterrooney: I guess your are suggesting that all ppl that encodes mp3's do it on a illegal basi? |
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| 16:32.28 | simonlnu | rafiyr: :/. well, gl with that. |
| 16:32.34 | rafiyr | wols_: thanks for the advise, but that's a pretty rude response and not an answer to my question. |
| 16:32.36 | zach23 | I created the debian installer on the thumbdrive (using cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb) , however the installer says it needs firmware for bnx2 (as it's non-free). I can't put this on the thumbdrive though as it's a read only file system. How can I copy the bnx2 firmware on the same thumbdrive? |
| 16:32.50 | simonlnu | hugo___: it's not illegal in most "jurisdictions" |
| 16:32.52 | peterrooney | hugo___: that's a radical interpretation of the text |
| 16:33.03 | simonlnu | (if not all) |
| 16:34.03 | simonlnu | peterrooney: not sure what your're getting at there. (be better to do this in #debian-offtopic) |
| 16:34.08 | wols_ | rafiyr: "no" is a very clear response, no? |
| 16:34.13 | hugo___ | peterrooney: Im sorry. |
| 16:35.27 | peterrooney | hugo___: no problem, i've never been hired for the precision speaking. |
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| 16:35.33 | wols_ | !tell zach23 about firmware images |
| 16:36.04 | wols_ | systst: it is not possible at all with ndiswrapper |
| 16:36.18 | hugo___ | peterrooney: What did you actually mean then? |
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| 16:37.02 | hroi | hi Im looking at $ aptitude search numpy - |
| 16:37.17 | hroi | I can see that numpy is installed by the "i" character next to it. |
| 16:37.21 | Tekk_ | yes |
| 16:37.34 | zach23 | wols_: thank you :) |
| 16:37.34 | hroi | but there is a "v" next to numpy-dev |
| 16:37.43 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.53 | rafiyr | wols_: no is fine. Better than go away and use some other distro. I use other's where applicable. Mostly just musing. |
| 16:37.57 | Tekk_ | hroi: numpy doesn't automatically install numpy-dev |
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| 16:38.21 | hroi | Tekk_: I tried apt-get install python-numpy-dev |
| 16:38.25 | systst | wols_, there's another option? |
| 16:38.35 | hroi | Tekk_: but apt-get didnt allow me to install ?? |
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| 16:38.52 | wols_ | systst: I doubt it |
| 16:39.14 | Tekk_ | hroi: try it in synaptic. That's a bit more clear as to whether it's installed or not imo |
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| 16:39.23 | wols_ | hroi: are you sure a numpy-dev package exists? |
| 16:39.37 | hroi | Tekk_: wols_: http://pastebin.com/HA5dq7HT |
| 16:39.37 | wols_ | ,versions python-numpy-dev |
| 16:39.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'python-numpy-dev' was found in i386. |
| 16:39.40 | themill | ,rprovides python-numpy-dev |
| 16:39.43 | judd | Package python-numpy-dev in squeeze/i386 is provided by: python-numpy. |
| 16:40.12 | systst | wols_ ok then i'll have to host windows in vmware and run its tools |
| 16:40.15 | themill | hroi: there is no real package python-numpy-dev; it's a virtual package provided by numpy itself (v == virtual) |
| 16:40.18 | wols_ | hroi: "v" there means "virtual package" then |
| 16:40.33 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 16:40.35 | Tekk_ | oh yeah, because it's python |
| 16:41.00 | hroi | wols_: Tekk_: great! so for python stuff, the dev is normally installed also, right? |
| 16:41.09 | Tekk_ | hroi: yep |
| 16:41.21 | Tekk_ | hroi: because you import .py files ;) |
| 16:41.30 | hroi | wols_: Tekk_: python modules most often include code in C and C++ not just .py |
| 16:41.58 | rafiyr | hroi: Don't forget its a scripting language. The code files are what's used for execution (sort of). |
| 16:42.01 | wols_ | hroi: but you don't need the header files there to use them for anything. makes no sense to have -dev packages |
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| 16:42.57 | hroi | wols_: Im not sure if that is strictly true! For example Python.h is an extremely important header... and there are modules based on other python modules coded in C. |
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| 16:43.58 | hroi | wols_: Tekk_: but Ive got it now... v means virtual. |
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| 16:44.28 | hroi | wols_: Tekk_: is it possible to make apt-search give me the version number of the packages? |
| 16:44.45 | wols_ | hroi: dpkg -l |grep numpy much better for this kind of thing |
| 16:44.45 | hroi | wols_: Tekk_: aptitude search i mean |
| 16:44.53 | rafiyr | hroi: "show" |
| 16:45.02 | wols_ | aptitude isn't good for everything |
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| 16:46.32 | kyrix | i want to rebuild a deb source package, and in rules i have the option of using different "flavours" |
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| 16:47.02 | zach23 | is swap size on a squeeze install, on a 64Gb system meant to be 128GB? |
| 16:47.03 | hroi | rafiyr: wols_: thanks, very nice! |
| 16:47.06 | kyrix | how do i configure it to use a different flavour? is it an argument or should i just modify the rules file? |
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| 16:48.04 | kyrix | zach23: 64GB memory, 128GB swap file you mean? |
| 16:48.31 | zach23 | yea sorry...I have 64GB system memory - how big should swap file be? |
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| 16:49.09 | kyrix | zach23, what are you doing on that system? |
| 16:49.24 | zach23 | kyrix: database (postgres) system |
| 16:49.49 | rafiyr | zach23: the 2x memory is an old rule of thumb. It gets really amusing once you realize we're starting to see cases where a machine may have more ram than disk space. |
| 16:49.58 | kyrix | zach23, use around 2GB. |
| 16:50.35 | zach23 | right as i was going to say, 128GB disk space is a lot as I have a RAID 1 with 2x146Gb drives for the main OS - the other drives (6x300GB) are RAID 10 for Postgres... |
| 16:51.21 | kyrix | zach23, you can always add more if you need it. leave some space just in case. |
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| 16:51.41 | hroi | I have the following: ii python-matplotlib 0.99.3-1 |
| 16:51.51 | zach23 | kyrix: you think 2GB is fine, not even 46GB? |
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| 16:51.57 | Tekk_ | I like 1/2 RAM. If I'm swapping I can't do anything really useful, so why wait twice as long for OOM :P |
| 16:51.57 | hroi | however: for basemap I need to have 1.0.0+ |
| 16:52.14 | kyrix | zach23, but the database itself uses its own optimization for reading from the harddisk, and the operating system itself probably wont have to sawp more. |
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| 16:52.25 | wols_ | ,versions python-matplotlib |
| 16:52.26 | judd | Package python-matplotlib on i386 -- lenny: 0.98.1-1+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.99.1.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.99.3-1; sid: 1.0.1-3; wheezy: 1.0.1-3 |
| 16:52.35 | kyrix | zach23, you can start with little, and see if you need more, or start with more, and see if you need less |
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| 16:52.56 | wols_ | !tell hroi about ssb |
| 16:53.09 | hroi | Is there a more up to date repository for debian? |
| 16:53.34 | blackshirt | hroi: what you mean with up to date ? |
| 16:53.46 | rafiyr | zach23: Also, you're using the ram to speed up the db (presumably). If you start swap chances are it will be worse than just using the disk. |
| 16:53.48 | Tekk_ | hroi: testing/sid |
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| 16:54.21 | hroi | blackshirt: I guess I want a more up to date python-matplotlib package. |
| 16:54.31 | wols_ | hroi: don't just change to testing or sid for a single package. the pain will be great, at least if you want to have a working, stable distro |
| 16:54.48 | wols_ | hroi: and that's why there are backports |
| 16:54.48 | hroi | wols_: ok |
| 16:54.57 | kyrix | hroi, tbh, for python you should be using virtualenvs and pip. |
| 16:55.18 | kyrix | hroi, you have more fine control over what libraries you can use. |
| 16:55.50 | themill | hroi: it's not like the matplotlib in squeeze doesn't work just fine. |
| 16:56.09 | wols_ | python-mathplotlib is icky to backport tho :( ton'S of dependencies |
| 16:56.19 | hroi | judd: what does this mean... all these backports lenny4, squeeze and wheezy? I guess I want a wheezy right? |
| 16:56.19 | wols_ | themill: he wants some feature or other that is in 1.0 only |
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| 16:56.57 | hroi | wols_: I need to install basemap toolkit which relies on 1.0+ of matplotlib |
| 16:56.59 | wols_ | hroi: judd is a bot. and unlikely you want "a wheezy". you might have no other choice but running wheeze aka testing has pitfalls. many of them |
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| 16:58.12 | hroi | wols_: oh.. so wheeze is the current development debian distro |
| 16:58.18 | Tekk_ | hroi: yeah, sometimes I lose gl(usually for only as long as it takes for a patch to get out of unstable, so 10 days) |
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| 16:58.49 | hroi | wols_: Tekk_: yeah, I dont want the dev debian distro, happy with stable. |
| 16:58.57 | kyrix | hroi: anything against using pip for your python packages? |
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| 16:59.11 | hroi | wols_: Tekk_: I guess I'll go and get the matplotlib tar ball. |
| 16:59.24 | wols_ | kyrix: how does this help with his problem? have you looked at the dependencies of mathplotlib? |
| 16:59.28 | hroi | kyrix: what is a pip? |
| 17:00.08 | hroi | wols_: I know, there are a lot of booring dependencies for matplotlib, I have compiled it before, its a bother. |
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| 17:00.23 | wrksx | hi there |
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| 17:00.48 | wrksx | how long can I stick to ebian Lenny |
| 17:00.49 | wrksx | ? |
| 17:01.00 | kyrix | wols_ to build it, still probably easier. |
| 17:01.00 | wols_ | hroi: try to backport it first. worst thing is it doesn't compile, nothing lost other than a bit of time. and the libraries and such you need for your tarball compile are the same ones pretty much |
| 17:01.13 | wols_ | wrksx: if you need security support, until february 2012 |
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| 17:01.34 | Sergio` | hroi, pip is a program to manage and install Python packages |
| 17:01.52 | wrksx | wols_, damn I've got to upgrade |
| 17:01.59 | wrksx | wols_, thx |
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| 17:02.41 | hroi | wols_: sorry, I dont know what it is to backport. |
| 17:02.53 | wols_ | hroi: dpkg sent you a message earlier |
| 17:02.54 | hroi | wols_: you mean get older basemap lib? |
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| 17:03.18 | wols_ | hroi: no I don't mean that. ahve you read what dpkg messaged you? |
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| 17:03.52 | hroi | wols_: ok I see it now, sorry |
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| 17:05.15 | sedulous | how can I configure the behavior of dhclient in the initrd (busybox + dropbear)? it renews its lease every few minutes |
| 17:05.37 | hroi | wols_: "check for a backport on <debian-backports>" what does this mean? Is this a website? - excuse my ignorance. |
| 17:06.07 | sedulous | hroi: debian backports is a package repository with new program versions built to work on the stable debian distro |
| 17:06.22 | Tekk_ | hroi: no, it's a repository. In /etc/apt/sources.list add backports after the rest of the listed ones(main, etc.) |
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| 17:08.13 | hroi | Tekk_: ok found the website. |
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| 17:08.57 | zorrolero | sedulous: the lease-time is defined in the dhcp-server, not in the client |
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| 17:10.34 | wrksx | is there any difference beetween a brand new install of squeeze and a lenny upgraded to squeeze ? |
| 17:10.49 | daemonkeeper | Some, yes. But both approaches are supported. |
| 17:10.58 | wrksx | i mean, is there much difference |
| 17:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: No. |
| 17:11.11 | simonlnu | no, just more crufty for the latter |
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| 17:11.22 | daemonkeeper | That's up to you. The differences are among the configuration files you upgraded from Lenny. |
| 17:11.47 | daemonkeeper | Chances are, you miss some improvements/keep old cruft, but nothing dramatically. |
| 17:11.55 | themill | wrksx: there can be some differences such as the use of sysklogd/rsyslog |
| 17:12.05 | daemonkeeper | Or that, yes. |
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| 17:12.14 | daemonkeeper | Or sh not being dash and so on |
| 17:12.23 | wrksx | Because I got to setup a test server, and the production one will be upgraded, so should I install the test server from scratch or upgrade ? |
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| 17:12.34 | daemonkeeper | Upgrade it |
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| 17:12.50 | wrksx | ok thx |
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| 17:12.53 | nfo-overload | hi guys, trying to setup squid proxy at work. Ideal goal is authentication via Active Directory where users don't have to enter any credentials. would like to have Internet traffic reports that contains windows logon name. anyone have something like this setup? |
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| 17:13.29 | hroi | wols_: ok so Im having a look into this new backport repo: I tried, aptitude -t squeeze-backports search matplotlib |
| 17:13.46 | hroi | wols_: but it doesnt seem to list anything but what I already have |
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| 17:14.57 | hroi | wols_: I followed this tut: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 17:18.36 | karlpinc | !tell nfo-overload about anyone |
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| 17:20.00 | totte | If I want to customize a Debian image, as in, add a couple of packages, would the easiest way be to mount the image, copy it to a temporary directory, chroot, do some aptitude stuff and then repackage the squashfs thingy and copy it back to the USB drive? |
| 17:20.30 | hroi | there doesnt seem to be a wheezy in here http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
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| 17:21.23 | leojrfs | hroi, backports are only for stable and oldstable versions |
| 17:21.24 | hroi | what is wheezy and squezzy anyway |
| 17:21.58 | hroi | I dont see how this is going to help me get a newer version debian package of python-matplotlib |
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| 17:22.23 | leojrfs | hroi, wich version are you looking for? |
| 17:22.30 | hroi | leojrfs: 1.0+ |
| 17:22.57 | leojrfs | witch version of debian are you using? |
| 17:23.18 | hroi | leojrfs: Linux endurkast 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed May 18 23:13:22 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:23.21 | hroi | leojrfs: this my uname |
| 17:23.29 | leojrfs | thats squeeze |
| 17:23.35 | leojrfs | (stable) |
| 17:24.05 | leojrfs | there's no backport of matplotlib 1+ for squeeze |
| 17:24.06 | hroi | leojrfs: so what was the point in me adding deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main to my list |
| 17:24.28 | leojrfs | there's no point |
| 17:24.32 | leojrfs | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-matplotlib |
| 17:24.36 | leojrfs | as you can see |
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| 17:24.46 | leojrfs | there's no backport of that package to squeeze |
| 17:24.56 | leojrfs | maybie later |
| 17:25.16 | leojrfs | anyways you can try installing from a wheezy repo |
| 17:25.19 | wols_ | hroi: you need to compile your own backport. there is no existing one for the package you want. |
| 17:25.37 | leojrfs | but i dont think it will work |
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| 17:25.46 | hroi | leojrfs: wols_: can I try using the wheezy or whatever then? |
| 17:26.27 | leojrfs | if you want a sable system, just do as wols_ said... is the better way |
| 17:26.33 | hroi | leojrfs: wols_: or use an ubuntu package :) |
| 17:26.44 | leojrfs | hroi? |
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| 17:27.08 | leojrfs | if thats the case you got a 1+ package in the wheezy (testing) repo |
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| 17:28.17 | hroi | leojrfs: can I try that one? is it dangerous? -- then if that dont work I get the tar-ball |
| 17:28.46 | leojrfs | hroi, just compile-it... the best way |
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| 17:29.00 | leojrfs | hroi, will save you much trouble |
| 17:29.34 | hroi | leojrfs: ok |
| 17:29.34 | samantha-c- | is there a way to tell the number of inodes on a partition? |
| 17:30.16 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 17:30.22 | samantha-c- | how? |
| 17:30.49 | simonlnu | df |
| 17:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | I thought the latest lenny ltsp didn't use the chroot, but the wiki still says to build it. |
| 17:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | Confused by which environment it's actually running. |
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| 17:34.28 | hroi | I now need to remove my python-matplotlib install. |
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| 17:34.47 | hroi | I guess purge is what I should do. |
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| 17:36.17 | wols_ | hroi: why remove? if you install the new one, the old one gets normally overwritten |
| 17:36.19 | hroi | Im new do debian. - Does apt-get source <mypackage> --compile actually work? |
| 17:36.30 | hroi | wols_: ok |
| 17:36.43 | wols_ | hroi: it is supposed to, yes |
| 17:37.02 | valdyn | hroi: only if you got the build-depends first |
| 17:37.12 | hroi | wols_: that is cool. Somebody at debian must ahve written compile script for this then? |
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| 17:37.35 | hroi | valdyn: ok, I better check that |
| 17:37.37 | valdyn | hroi: no, every package has its own compile script |
| 17:38.04 | hroi | valdyn: I mean, yes, but often require some quirky ./config options. |
| 17:38.18 | valdyn | hroi: not really |
| 17:38.23 | leojrfs | hroi, anyways that will get you the source of the package version you dont want |
| 17:38.27 | hroi | valdyn: somebody at debian must have device one for each package |
| 17:38.38 | valdyn | hroi: no |
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| 17:39.05 | hroi | valdyn: ok so I better read the INSTALL instruction of the tar ball my self. |
| 17:39.19 | valdyn | hroi: which tarball? |
| 17:39.25 | hroi | valdyn: matplotlib |
| 17:39.33 | hroi | valdyn: matplotlib 1.0.1 |
| 17:39.44 | valdyn | hroi: yea, but which one, the one from debian or the one from elsewhere? |
| 17:39.49 | hroi | leojrfs: oh.. so it gets me only the debian src tarball |
| 17:40.01 | hroi | valdyn: I want the latest stable matplotlib |
| 17:40.03 | themill | hroi: why aren't you making a proper backport of the package as suggested. |
| 17:40.19 | hroi | themill: Im not sure how to do that. |
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| 17:40.31 | themill | didn't dpkg tell you a while back? |
| 17:40.44 | leojrfs | hroi, no it will get you all the source for the version that is on the debian repo, just do it then download the original source and merge it |
| 17:40.46 | hroi | themill: In a langauge I didnt understand -sorry |
| 17:40.49 | valdyn | judd: versions python-matplotlib |
| 17:40.49 | judd | Package python-matplotlib on i386 -- lenny: 0.98.1-1+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.99.1.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.99.3-1; sid: 1.0.1-3; wheezy: 1.0.1-3 |
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| 17:41.02 | themill | hroi: please ask for clarification then, rather than going off on a tangent. |
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| 17:41.54 | hroi | themill: ok, dpkg said " If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 17:42.19 | hroi | themill: I dont understand this... its as if <deb-src> is some sort of arbitrary variable |
| 17:42.29 | themill | dpkg: tell hroi about deb-srv |
| 17:42.31 | themill | dpkg: tell hroi about deb-src |
| 17:42.39 | valdyn | hroi: its an arbitrary constant |
| 17:42.55 | valdyn | hroi: should be "deb-src", not <deb-src> |
| 17:42.58 | themill | hroi: things in <...> in dpkg's factoids are cross references. You can ask dpkg about that keyword for more information |
| 17:43.13 | themill | valdyn: hroi is quoting from dpkg's factoid. |
| 17:43.13 | valdyn | hroi: but then again ^^ |
| 17:43.18 | hroi | themill: ok thats nice |
| 17:43.33 | valdyn | themill: yea, but it is really a little confusing |
| 17:43.54 | hroi | valdyn: it doesnt follow shell man pages thats all |
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| 17:44.18 | hroi | valdyn: ok so I just put anything there, like "I hope this works" |
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| 17:44.40 | valdyn | hroi: not "just", thats a global standard tought to students everywhere, globally |
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| 17:45.35 | hroi | valdyn: hehe, ok, anyway. what the heck do I put in there? |
| 17:45.54 | themill | did you read what dpkg told you about "deb-src" |
| 17:45.55 | hroi | dpkg: tell hroi about deb-src |
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| 17:46.27 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell hroi about selftell |
| 17:46.31 | valdyn | hroi: your regular lines in /etc/apt/sources.list starts with "deb", thats indicates .deb files. "deb-src" is the same *except* that it refers to the source packages |
| 17:47.33 | hroi | valdyn: ehm, ok. So I need to find a link to the latest tar ball somewhere |
| 17:47.43 | themill | no |
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| 17:48.10 | valdyn | hroi: i dont understand how you can be so confused |
| 17:48.27 | hroi | valdyn: you guys are trying to trick me into becoming a debian pkg maker, right |
| 17:48.33 | crissi | hello. |
| 17:48.40 | valdyn | hroi: take a random line starting with "deb ", copy it, change "deb" to "deb-src" and you're done |
| 17:48.56 | crissi | firefox 6 has been released. where i can it for debian (lenny)? |
| 17:49.01 | valdyn | !mdn |
| 17:49.01 | dpkg | [mdn] http://www.creaziona.com or http://www.mallorquinandenoduls.com |
| 17:49.04 | crissi | http://mozilla.debian.net/ has no packages |
| 17:49.14 | themill | crissi: lenny? not at all. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 17:49.25 | hroi | valdyn: ok, doing it. |
| 17:49.46 | themill | dpkg, no mdn is <reply> see mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:49.46 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 17:49.54 | themill | valdyn: ^^ |
| 17:49.54 | crissi | themill: does the ff6 packe for squeeze work on lenny? |
| 17:50.01 | themill | crissi: unlikely |
| 17:50.01 | valdyn | themill: yea, i was on that |
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| 17:51.11 | valdyn | crissi: since lenny is not supported anymore, you might aswell use upstream directly, if that runs at all |
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| 17:51.30 | valdyn | ( or soon not supported anymore ), i dont remember |
| 17:51.35 | hroi | valdyn: I already have this in my sources.list file: deb-src http://debian.simnet.is/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 17:51.42 | crissi | lenny is still supported |
| 17:51.44 | hroi | valdyn: I did not put it there |
| 17:51.59 | valdyn | hroi: that's fine |
| 17:52.00 | daemonkeeper | valdyn: soon (with soon ~ "a half year ahead" as of today) |
| 17:52.03 | jelly-home | valdyn: squeeze release +12 months |
| 17:52.18 | jelly-home | valdyn: /msg dpkg release history |
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| 17:53.07 | valdyn | yea, im to lazy =/ |
| 17:54.03 | crissi | i just updated a box from lenny to squeeze but the update has caused some troubles (wlan was not working, lirc broken, freevo does not start, ssh lost during update,...) |
| 17:54.28 | valdyn | crissi: so fix those issues one by one |
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| 17:55.00 | crissi | yes but it needs time. if i had know that i had not updated |
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| 17:55.18 | crissi | this was the second box which went broken and hat to fix |
| 17:55.20 | crissi | had |
| 17:55.40 | valdyn | crissi: how exactly is it surprising that upgrades break something? |
| 17:55.59 | crissi | the first was a server... ntlm_auth was broken -> samba... -> no login via radius :( |
| 17:56.09 | hroi | valdyn: I asked dpkg about bdo, and it says "Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use" |
| 17:56.37 | crissi | after i found a patch (squeeze was out serveral month and the bug was still open i saw later) |
| 17:56.42 | hroi | valdyn: this webpage does not have good instructions regarding making a debian backage for backports. |
| 17:56.54 | valdyn | hroi: sure not |
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| 17:57.11 | crissi | i build a patched version of samba which now works fine |
| 17:57.16 | valdyn | hroi: that site provides backports and has instructions how to use those provided backports, thats it. |
| 17:57.29 | edbian | I have a /etc/dhcp/ and a /etc/dhcp3/ should I have two? (BTW this is part of a bigger problem that my network sometimes just dies (and the IP frequently changes) |
| 17:57.38 | valdyn | crissi: whats your point? |
| 17:57.39 | supaplex | happy 18th debian! |
| 17:57.39 | crissi | btw: backports has not so much new packages |
| 17:57.55 | crissi | iceweasel is at 3.6 for lenny.. what a pity |
| 17:58.06 | hroi | valdyn: I assume I can move onto step 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; |
| 17:58.21 | crissi | valdyn: i'm will update when the most bugs are fixed |
| 17:58.34 | valdyn | crissi: ok, then never |
| 17:58.38 | themill | crissi: there's little motivation for people to be making backports for a release that is already superseded. |
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| 17:58.51 | crissi | it should |
| 17:59.03 | valdyn | crissi: those bugs will likely never be fixed in squeeze, and you cannot skip releases on the upgrade path |
| 17:59.04 | themill | crissi: are you volunteering? |
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| 17:59.09 | treebeen | is anyone running debian on a macbook pro? does it work well? |
| 17:59.15 | crissi | i also use it for other reason: kde3 is only supported at lenny |
| 17:59.57 | valdyn | hroi: yes, thats right, except that in general you need to backport dependencies first, occasionally you dont |
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| 18:00.36 | themill | (matplotlib looks like a straightforward backport but I've not tested it yet) |
| 18:00.51 | crissi | themill: yes, i do some work for a school |
| 18:01.06 | hroi | valdyn: ok, so I need to make sure I have the right version numbers and mylibs-dev installed, right} |
| 18:01.08 | themill | crissi: I meant to make the debian packages... |
| 18:01.24 | crissi | the samba packages i had built for the server |
| 18:01.29 | crissi | i can do it |
| 18:01.36 | valdyn | hroi: you will see build-dep complain when dependencies cannot be satisfied |
| 18:02.00 | crissi | maybe i can try to build the ff6 package with db source from sqeeze |
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| 18:03.20 | hroi | valdyn: there is one thing I dont get about this process. Where do I tell "aptitude" which version of matplotlib I want to build? |
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| 18:03.52 | hroi | valdyn: my next task according to dpkg, is aptitude build-dep packagename; where is my version number in here? |
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| 18:04.05 | valdyn | hroi: run "apt-cache policy <packagename>" for any package |
| 18:04.10 | wols_ | hroi: you download some source. whatever version this is, this one you build. generally you want to download it from the sid repo, meaning you compile the version that is currently in sid |
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| 18:04.44 | valdyn | hroi: you will see repositories being tagged with some number |
| 18:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | How do I ask aptitude which packages were installed from backports? |
| 18:05.20 | valdyn | hroi: that number combined with the version determines which one is chosen |
| 18:05.22 | themill | dpkg: tell jhutchins_lt about bpo list |
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| 18:05.47 | valdyn | hroi: details are in "man apt_preferences" |
| 18:06.03 | hroi | valdyn: that means Im in trouble, because apt-cache policy python-matplotlib tells me 0.99.3-1 , I need 1.0.1 |
| 18:06.12 | valdyn | hroi: unfortunately i dont know how to list policy for source packages |
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| 18:07.15 | themill | hroi: when you "apt-get source" it will show you the version it uses (and it will use the most recent) |
| 18:07.18 | whalesalad | hey guys if I wanted to see the config line of a package being installed via apt-get, how could I do that? |
| 18:07.22 | hroi | wols_: I assume that apt-cache policy is telling me that 0.99.3-1 is in sid repo. |
| 18:08.00 | bernhard2 | Having about 5 errors in my log during bootup. help fixing these would be great.. check em out here.. http://pastebin.com/dFABgSqe |
| 18:08.00 | hroi | wols_: so, there is no point in doing this. I 0.99.3-1 already ships with my debian. |
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| 18:08.43 | hroi | themill: ok I will try apt-get source... I doubt it will give me newer than 0.99.3-1 |
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| 18:09.10 | themill | hroi: if you did the deb-src and apt-get update steps correctly, it will give you 1.0.1-3 |
| 18:09.12 | valdyn | themill: apt-get souce always gets the highest version, no matter any preferences? |
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| 18:09.35 | themill | valdyn: there were recent changes to pinning to do with source packages. Don't recall. |
| 18:10.07 | hroi | themill: it gave me 0.99.3-1 ... not what I want. I want dat one: http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/ version 1.0.1 |
| 18:10.21 | themill | !show sources.list hroi |
| 18:10.21 | dpkg | hroi: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 18:10.29 | valdyn | hroi: you either didnt add the appropriate deb-src line or you didnt run apt-get update |
| 18:11.21 | hroi | themill: valdyn: ok, pasting my stuff, and running update again |
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| 18:13.46 | hroi | valdyn: themill: http://pastebin.com/3hbMwPka |
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| 18:14.10 | themill | there's no deb-src entry for sid there |
| 18:16.04 | hroi | themill: valdyn: update didnt work. Ok , so I need sid. |
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| 18:16.55 | themill | hroi: you need a deb-src line that has "sid" in it |
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| 18:17.26 | hroi | themill: ok, sid is a path, ok will check if my source path has it. |
| 18:17.55 | themill | that mirror has sid on it |
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| 18:18.20 | hroi | themill: deb-src http://debian.simnet.is/debian/ squeeze-updates sid is this ok |
| 18:18.41 | hroi | themill: Im completely blind to the meaning of this string. |
| 18:18.50 | themill | man 5 sources.list explains it |
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| 18:20.08 | tdn | I am using a squeeze server as wifi AP via hostapd. However, performance is poor. For some reason, I can only get 11 mbit/s connectivity ('b'). Even though my laptop has a, g and n capabilities. |
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| 18:20.58 | tdn | This is my hostapd config: http://p.adora.dk/P2137.txt pretty simple, eh? What am I doing wrong? |
| 18:21.16 | themill | dpkg: tell hroi about deb-src sid |
| 18:21.21 | hroi | themill: thanks, no mention of sid in that man page, but there is this: deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable contrib |
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| 18:22.23 | hroi | themill: thanks, theres a line that works. |
| 18:23.22 | edbian | I have a /etc/dhcp/ and a /etc/dhcp3/ should I have two? (BTW this is part of a bigger problem that my network sometimes just dies (and the IP frequently changes) |
| 18:23.54 | duckinator | so, i'm trying to get java on a VPS (which means no graphics), what would be my best choice in terms of java/jre? i just need to be able to use yuicompressor. |
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| 18:24.07 | duckinator | in terms of a java/jre package* |
| 18:24.10 | hroi | themill: ok, great, I am now getting the right tarball |
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| 18:24.58 | hroi | valdyn: themill: would you recomment I run the whole of this process as root, or is it ok as user? |
| 18:25.01 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ltsp-server |
| 18:25.04 | judd | Package ltsp-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.1.10-2; lenny-backports: 5.2.4-2~bpo50+2; squeeze: 5.2.4-2; sid: 5.2.8-1; wheezy: 5.2.8-1; sid: 5.2.16-1 |
| 18:25.20 | valdyn | hroi: define "whole process" |
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| 18:26.17 | hroi | valdyn: step 3) in dpkg backport instructions. |
| 18:26.18 | valdyn | duckinator: we dont know yuicompressor |
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| 18:26.41 | hroi | valdyn: compiling the debian backport package |
| 18:26.59 | valdyn | hroi: dont use root |
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| 18:27.42 | TimmyT | how to make a raw image with dd in a faster way? |
| 18:27.56 | beardy | !tell duckinator -about openjdk |
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| 18:28.04 | beardy | !tell duckinator -about install java |
| 18:28.06 | valdyn | themill: theres no significantly faster way |
| 18:28.15 | valdyn | TimmyT: ^^ |
| 18:28.48 | duckinator | beardy: alright, that works :P thanks |
| 18:28.49 | wrksx | i'm think about installing webmin on a web server. Do you have any experience with it ? |
| 18:29.14 | hroi | valdyn: "aptitude build-dep python-matplotlib" doesnt run as user |
| 18:29.19 | beardy | duckinator: No problem. |
| 18:29.38 | valdyn | hroi: that doesnt compile anything |
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| 18:29.54 | TimmyT | valdyn: i've heard adding an option can help. it was something like b=4M but i dont remember what it was |
| 18:30.37 | valdyn | TimmyT: try it, dd reports its speed |
| 18:30.48 | valdyn | TimmyT: its bs=4M |
| 18:31.12 | valdyn | TimmyT: no significant difference, make the bs tiny, then it gets real slow |
| 18:32.15 | TimmyT | valdyn: tnx dude |
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| 18:32.41 | bernhard2 | <wrksx> webmin works fine for me.. |
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| 18:33.57 | samantha-c- | so uh, if fsck.ext4 hoses with an out of memory error, essentially my partition is too large to fix and i'm totally and completely fucked, yes? |
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| 18:34.17 | valdyn | samantha-c-: no, you dont have enough ram |
| 18:34.35 | samantha-c- | samantha-c-, is there a way to predict how much i'll need? i've got 6g in the box as it is. |
| 18:35.16 | valdyn | samantha-c-: add some swap and go again. I have no idea how much memory fsck.ext4 needs |
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| 18:35.31 | samantha-c- | it's a 16g partition |
| 18:35.36 | samantha-c- | sorry, 16tb partition |
| 18:35.59 | valdyn | samantha-c-: i doubt the partition sizes matters directly |
| 18:36.09 | jhutchins | !webmin |
| 18:36.09 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 18:36.37 | jhutchins | Webmin is known to corrupt server configurations to the point that the server is unusable. |
| 18:36.52 | catsup | sometimes, that's what you want |
| 18:37.05 | helo | me? |
| 18:37.28 | catsup | for example if you are installing on a machine that belongs to a client, and you want to create an opportunity for repeat business |
| 18:37.42 | catsup | ;) |
| 18:37.43 | helo | vacuously true |
| 18:37.58 | catsup | pft, vacuous |
| 18:38.44 | catsup | that's mad business skillz right there |
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| 18:40.30 | samantha-c- | if i caught a vendor deliberately installing (or not installing) stuff on my system to make it unstable, i would bury them in paper that begins with the phrase IT IS HEREBY ORDERED ... and they'd never, ever do business again for all the paper they'd have to deal with. |
| 18:41.12 | catsup | but how would you know |
| 18:41.43 | samantha-c- | your customers are never as stupid as you believe them to be. nor even as lazy. |
| 18:41.55 | catsup | lol what |
| 18:42.11 | catsup | they totally are |
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| 18:42.21 | jhutchins_lt | samantha-c-: I take it you haven't dealt with dreamhost. |
| 18:43.32 | samantha-c- | jhutchins, dude i work retail. i've worked phone support, IT support, IT admin, i've seen it all. i promise, all the gold is at the bottom of barrels of crap. and you never know when someone might get a wild hair that turns out to be right. i've had customers hire other consultants to audit my work, just on a hunch. why wouldn't your customer do that? |
| 18:43.51 | catsup | i'm perpetually surprised by how deep the stupidity reaches |
| 18:44.20 | jhutchins_lt | samantha-c-: Have you dealt with dreamhost? |
| 18:44.21 | catsup | no mattter how many times i think i've seen the worst it can get, i see something worse |
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| 18:45.07 | catsup | anyway, there is really no way to determine the difference between deliberately shoddy work designed to create more work, and accidentally shoddy work |
| 18:45.38 | catsup | not with complete certainty anyway. it is easy to create plausible deniability |
| 18:45.46 | helo | samantha-c-: every company you've ever worked for has made bad tech decisions to save money or time? |
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| 18:45.57 | helo | has 'never' heh |
| 18:46.20 | hroi | valdyn: WOW, http://pastebin.com/aihS3Aw5 over 1GB of dependencies I need to install ?? |
| 18:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | I think we're each talking about slightly different aspects of dealing with clients. |
| 18:46.40 | hroi | valdyn: something screwy about this |
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| 18:47.01 | valdyn | hroi: not at all |
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| 18:47.06 | helo | dependencies are good for you... think of them like vitamins |
| 18:47.59 | catsup | more like cholesteral :/ |
| 18:48.11 | hroi | valdyn: I already have the debian matplotlib 0.99 isntalled. this new source is 1.0.1 how come I need 200 more dependencies |
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| 18:48.30 | catsup | man i do hate when build deps include tex |
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| 18:49.03 | catsup | hroi: you can probably build it without tex, saving you 400MB or something |
| 18:49.09 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: As I recalled you were warned about that before you started. |
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| 18:49.47 | hroi | jhutchins_lt: what? look Im doing this by hand - the dependency checker here is wrong |
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| 18:50.07 | valdyn | hroi: debian splits out the headers of each package, that means for each dep, you get an *additional* build dep |
| 18:50.13 | catsup | it doesn't check dependencies |
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| 18:50.25 | catsup | there's a list of dependencies created by the maintainer |
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| 18:50.33 | valdyn | hroi: on top of that your matplotlib is implemented in multiple "languages" |
| 18:50.54 | hroi | catsup: yes, I knew that... somebody thougth this backpackaging would be a good idea, but it sucks |
| 18:51.00 | valdyn | hroi: all of which need their compiler |
| 18:51.07 | catsup | sometimes they are wrong however, i think you are confused here. just because you can build the software without all the build deps doesn't mean you can build the debian binary package without all the build deps |
| 18:51.08 | i0x71 | hey, anyone know how i can increase the number of /dev/loop devices, have tried: putting options loop max_loop=255 in /etc/modules and reloading loop module, tried adding max_loop=255 to kernel options, |
| 18:51.13 | valdyn | hroi: but why is this a problem? |
| 18:51.13 | hroi | catsup: no wonder there was no matplolib version 1.0.1 in the backpackages. |
| 18:51.14 | jhutchins_lt | Having a build environment an having a tight/minimal install are mutually exclusive. |
| 18:51.32 | valdyn | i0x71: kernel options are documented, but this could also be hardcoded in the kernel |
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| 18:51.46 | valdyn | i0x71: google is your friend |
| 18:52.04 | peterrooney | hroi: because the development librarys differ from the user libraries, and are always larger |
| 18:52.09 | catsup | really all tex docs should be in a separate doc package |
| 18:52.11 | kyrix | i want to repackage a debian-package with other options. should i just modify the files themselves or is there another tool to do it? |
| 18:52.15 | supaplex | adds google to his friends list |
| 18:52.22 | catsup | a build environment doesn't need tex |
| 18:52.34 | valdyn | catsup: tex *is* a build environment |
| 18:52.45 | hroi | peterrooney: sure, i knew that, but this matplotlib relies on simple dev libraries.. some math libraries. They are not 1 GB. |
| 18:52.58 | catsup | valdyn: heh |
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| 18:53.12 | kyrix | forget my question, grok it now |
| 18:53.22 | valdyn | hroi: it obviously needs tex |
| 18:53.23 | hroi | peterrooney: this "aptitude build-dep" procedure is going to install a whole new debian for me. |
| 18:53.43 | valdyn | hroi: why dont you get it done instead of moaning? |
| 18:54.05 | wols_ | hroi: disable recommends and it will be a lot less I'd guess |
| 18:54.21 | valdyn | wols_: theres build-recommends? |
| 18:54.35 | catsup | hroi: that's clearly not the case |
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| 18:54.40 | peterrooney | some math libraries, some postscript libraries, some image libraries, some tex libraries... plus fonts. |
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| 18:55.05 | valdyn | how many G is vc++ again? 3? |
| 18:55.15 | hroi | valdyn: the point was to build matplotlib 1.0.1 using the current debian dev libs where needed, not upgrade my debian to unstable, and then compile matplotlib |
| 18:55.23 | i0x71 | valdyn: could have just mentioned that i need to add it to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 18:55.43 | catsup | libqt4-webkit <-- that sounds pretty major just in itself |
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| 18:55.46 | wols_ | hroi: why upgrade to unstable. please show us your sources.list |
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| 18:55.51 | valdyn | i0x71: i didnt know that, i only know that it once was hardcoded |
| 18:56.08 | catsup | i mean i bet that it has a lot of its own dependencies |
| 18:56.17 | valdyn | wols_: he isnt upgrading from the looks of it |
| 18:56.20 | hroi | valdyn: I refuse to believe that matplotlib 1.0.1 vs. 0.99.3 needs to upgrade my libqt, common, or libaudio2 |
| 18:56.24 | hroi | this is silly. |
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| 18:56.28 | i0x71 | valdyn: now we both do :) |
| 18:56.33 | valdyn | wols_: hes bitching that his backport build needs tex |
| 18:56.41 | peterrooney | judd: versions libmatplot |
| 18:56.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libmatplot' was found in i386. |
| 18:56.55 | wols_ | hroi: please show us your sources.list |
| 18:57.02 | catsup | python-matplotlib |
| 18:57.03 | catsup | oh look |
| 18:57.07 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: Welcome to dependency hell - it's not just for RedHat. |
| 18:57.07 | catsup | python-all-dev |
| 18:57.11 | peterrooney | judd: versions python-matplotlib |
| 18:57.12 | catsup | it's pulling python-all-dev |
| 18:57.13 | judd | Package python-matplotlib on i386 -- lenny: 0.98.1-1+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.99.1.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.99.3-1; sid: 1.0.1-3; wheezy: 1.0.1-3 |
| 18:57.20 | hroi | wols_: ok I will, just a moment, but take alook at the new packages this thing says I need http://pastebin.com/aihS3Aw5 |
| 18:57.57 | catsup | hroi: sometimes the dependency list is wrong. you don't have to use the build-dep command. just try it without installing deps and fix it if it breaks |
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| 18:58.24 | catsup | 'python-all-dev' could be the problem there. just install the build deps for the previous version at least |
| 18:58.35 | valdyn | catsup: it can be to big yes, but it cannot be wrong per se |
| 18:58.41 | jelly-home | s/without installing/using versions of -dev packages present in your release/ |
| 18:58.58 | hroi | wols_: here is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/Uawqv6fQ |
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| 18:59.39 | catsup | valdyn: eh? how is that not wrong? |
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| 19:00.35 | peterrooney | hroi: jhutchins_lt nailed it on the head earlier. a build environment precludes a minimal install |
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| 19:01.34 | catsup | if the build deps increased by 1G in between versions, it might be wrong. then again it's possible this guy is comparing binary deps to build deps, which makes no sense... |
| 19:01.41 | hroi | peterrooney: Im mainting a light virtual server here. Was not what i expected. the old fashion way or Slackware way is probably the way for me to go. |
| 19:01.51 | catsup | lol |
| 19:02.23 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: You could consider setting up your build environment on a different machine. |
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| 19:02.51 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: That is really best practice for any public-facing server. There should be no build tools installed at all. |
| 19:03.05 | hroi | catsup: my point is not that build deps take up space, only that this thing wants me to install 200 dependencies that I already have, because I already have the slightly older matplotlib |
| 19:03.16 | hroi | catsup: 0.99.3 vs. 1.0.1 |
| 19:03.28 | valdyn | hroi: you dont have a single one of those packages it tries to install |
| 19:03.29 | hroi | catsup: and they dont list 200 dependencies. |
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| 19:03.56 | hroi | valdyn: its trying I guess to install dev headers and stuff for 200 libraries. I only need 20 max. |
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| 19:04.02 | valdyn | hroi: maybe its unfortunate that tex is huge and that you dont really need the matplotlib docs |
| 19:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: That's wone of the problems with python, all of the different components have to be upgraded together. |
| 19:04.27 | valdyn | hroi: but in debian the whole stuff is built by default, which does make sense |
| 19:04.31 | hroi | valdyn: docs? in MBs or 100s MBs. |
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| 19:04.46 | valdyn | hroi: the docs are small, but TEX is huge |
| 19:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Isn't tex used to prepare the man pages? |
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| 19:05.14 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: i doubt that, tex is for printable documents |
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| 19:05.38 | jhutchins_lt | Well, yeah, documentation. So I suppose you could eliminate that step in the makefile. |
| 19:05.49 | hroi | valdyn: jhutchins_lt: tex is latex i guess |
| 19:06.07 | catsup | it might actually use tex to render stuff |
| 19:06.11 | catsup | i mean it is a plotting library |
| 19:06.18 | valdyn | hroi: actually is a component of latex, but i mean the whole suite, since this build needs to whole suite |
| 19:06.48 | valdyn | catsup: yea well, the .deb doesnt need tex obviously |
| 19:06.53 | hroi | valdyn: jhutchins_lt: matplotlib is puny library, I have never seen anything like it, installing 200 development sources to prepare for that. It simply doesnt match the task. I have to do this by hand somehow. |
| 19:07.08 | valdyn | hroi: youre really ignorant |
| 19:07.27 | valdyn | hroi: i can easily write a 10 line tex document that will need *all* of tex |
| 19:07.27 | hroi | valdyn: jhutchins: no, Im not, matplotlib is very happy with a slightly older version of qt |
| 19:07.28 | catsup | hroi: dude, you don't have to do the build-dep step |
| 19:07.47 | catsup | hroi: if you think the dependencies are wrong, then just build it with the ones you think are right. the build success will prove you right if you are right. |
| 19:07.49 | hroi | valdyn: ok latex is 100 MB, granted. |
| 19:07.50 | themill | compiling the documentation takes longer than building matplotlib itself |
| 19:07.56 | valdyn | hroi: i dont see this build upgrading qt |
| 19:08.06 | valdyn | hroi: this build is *not* upgrading anything |
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| 19:08.20 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions matplotlib |
| 19:08.22 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'matplotlib' was found in i386. |
| 19:08.32 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: python-matplotlib |
| 19:09.28 | valdyn | hroi: *way* bigger |
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| 19:10.04 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: Again, a good example of why your production server should not be your build env. |
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| 19:10.22 | hroi | valdyn: ok at the top it says, "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libpng-dev." after that it suggest 200 packages to install, including the qt help pages and audio libraries and stuff nothing to do with matplotlib. |
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| 19:10.56 | valdyn | hroi: sure, i never doubted that the build might pull to much |
| 19:11.17 | themill | ,rprovides libpng-dev |
| 19:11.18 | judd | Package libpng-dev in squeeze/i386 is provided by: libpng12-dev. |
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| 19:11.32 | themill | that shouldn't be an unsatisfied build-dep |
| 19:11.54 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 19:12.10 | valdyn | hroi: but does it make a significant difference if its 400 or 500mb ? |
| 19:13.28 | hroi | valdyn: if I go ahead and do this by hand as I have done on 6 year old linuxes, it will be a bother, but the amount of src I need to get and compile will be 50 MB max. |
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| 19:13.52 | valdyn | hroi: your choice, do whatever you find better |
| 19:13.59 | themill | hroi: not if you're going to compile the documentation it's not. |
| 19:14.20 | themill | hroi: and you don't *have* to compile the documentation, but this will require you to learn more |
| 19:15.35 | catsup | wtf do you mean do it by hand |
| 19:15.51 | jelly-home | on a half-decent 2Mbps line, the build-deps would have been downloaded and installed by now |
| 19:15.57 | catsup | this is the third time i'm saying this |
| 19:16.06 | catsup | THE BUILD-DEP STEP IS OPTIONAL |
| 19:16.19 | hroi | catsup: wget my tar packages ./config blabla make install, a few times. (thats by hand) |
| 19:16.21 | valdyn | catsup: youre confused |
| 19:16.50 | valdyn | catsup: its not optional for his current goal |
| 19:16.59 | hroi | catsup: ok, I will skipp the build-dep and see thanks! |
| 19:17.01 | valdyn | ( building the debian packages ) |
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| 19:18.05 | catsup | valdyn: he's claiming the deps aren't required. of course, he might be wrong. |
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| 19:18.23 | hroi | catsup: valdyn: ok, so I will let go of my reluctant ambition of becoming a debian builder - sorry to fail! |
| 19:18.37 | catsup | hroi: of course, you will still need to install the required build deps |
| 19:18.38 | mycae | Hi, quick question -- how do I switch from a UK to US keyboard layout. Im running a fresh install of testing using gnome |
| 19:18.47 | hroi | catsup: yup |
| 19:18.53 | mycae | dpkg-reconfigure console-data asks me, but the change has no effect |
| 19:18.57 | hroi | catsup: Im not foreseeing much deps |
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| 19:19.10 | valdyn | mycae: thats for the console, has no effect on gnome |
| 19:19.12 | mycae | my shift-2 keeps giving quotation marks, rather than the at symbol. |
| 19:19.13 | hroi | catsup: mind you, as i said i have done this before on a few year old linx |
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| 19:19.16 | themill | hroi: installing the Build-Depends-Indep is not necessary if you don't build the documentation packages; the Build-Depends will be necessary even if you're just building the source tarball from sf.net |
| 19:20.20 | catsup | you don't necessarily need the Build-Depends, because the list could be wrong. but by definition, the build depends on what it depends on. |
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| 19:20.45 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 19:20.59 | themill | catsup: you can stop "helping" any time you like. |
| 19:21.32 | mycae | ah, nm. I see now. 'twould be nice if these were the same :) |
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| 19:21.50 | simonlnu | ,info kerboard-configuration |
| 19:21.51 | judd | No record of package 'kerboard-configuration' in squeeze/i386. |
| 19:21.59 | simonlnu | ,info keyboard-configuration |
| 19:22.00 | hroi | catsup: yes, I will start with the 10 things stated on the matplotlib dev website, and go from there. If it is as it used to be, I will need to read some INSTALL instructs for the right config pars, sometimes many options, but it shouldnt need to install qt4 and stuff. |
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| 19:22.02 | judd | Package keyboard-configuration (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: system-wide keyboard preferences. Version: 1.68+squeeze2; Size: 379.3k; Installed: 1708k |
| 19:22.06 | simonlnu | doh |
| 19:22.38 | simonlnu | is more used to typing kerberos than keyboard O_O |
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| 19:25.27 | Guest61686 | I just upgraded to squeeze from lenny and now my keyboard and mouse stop working when x starts. |
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| 19:26.01 | catsup | yep |
| 19:26.04 | catsup | that's to be expected |
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| 19:27.12 | catsup | try moving your xorg.conf out of the way |
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| 19:28.30 | derric | catsup >> Try moving xorg config out of the way? Can I just rename .old or something? |
| 19:28.54 | jhutchins_lt | derric: Yes. |
| 19:29.25 | derric | I just have to remember where it is now? I suppose in /etc? |
| 19:30.01 | jhutchins_lt | derric: /etc/X11 |
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| 19:31.45 | catsup | also, fyi, 'find /etc/ -name xorg.conf' is actually fewer characters than 'I just have to remember where it is now? I suppose in /etc?' |
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| 19:32.34 | derric | I found and re-suffixed it. Keyboard and mouse still dead. |
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| 19:32.56 | wols_ | derric: you did restart X? |
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| 19:33.25 | derric | Yes. It was in console mode before. |
| 19:33.59 | catsup | is dbus running? |
| 19:34.09 | derric | After the upgrade, apt-get says five package were held back. |
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| 19:34.23 | derric | how do I check that dbus is running? |
| 19:34.43 | catsup | ps -C dbus-daemon |
| 19:34.52 | derric | When x starts I lose all control and have to power off for a reboot. |
| 19:35.14 | catsup | don't do it that way |
| 19:35.35 | catsup | do like this: startx & sleep 10; sudo chvt 1 |
| 19:35.42 | catsup | make sure you have chvt installed |
| 19:35.43 | derric | it seems to be. |
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| 19:36.05 | derric | idbus has PID before I start x |
| 19:36.28 | catsup | check hald too |
| 19:36.54 | derric | The five were: cabextract, gcc-4.1-base, gij, kmplayer, and libvte-common. |
| 19:37.19 | catsup | those are unrelated |
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| 19:37.45 | derric | chvt seems to be missing. |
| 19:38.22 | catsup | the purpose of chvt is so you can test x without rebooting |
| 19:38.39 | derric | It that the package name chvt? |
| 19:38.40 | catsup | that command will switch back to the console after 10 seconds |
| 19:38.57 | catsup | it's in console-tools |
| 19:39.16 | derric | chvt command is there. |
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| 19:39.42 | derric | I'l try starting x with it added. |
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| 19:41.42 | derric | Well, at least control of the system returned that time. |
| 19:41.53 | caleb__ | I set grub to boot the wrong OS automatically; what's they key you hold down to prevent its autoboot? |
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| 19:42.13 | catsup | derric: now type 'fg' to put X into the foreground and ctrl-c to kill it |
| 19:43.18 | derric | Nothing happens with fg. It just sticks with blinking cursor one line down. |
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| 19:44.13 | catsup | derric: it happened |
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| 19:46.02 | derric | I'm reading Xorg.o.log now. No errs so far... |
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| 19:48.37 | derric | No errs listed in the Xorg log. |
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| 19:49.36 | derric | I check apt-get for broken dependancies, it seems like everythings ok that way |
| 19:51.12 | derric | >>catsup<< the screen displays OK, it just the keys and mouse go dead. |
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| 19:52.36 | prsn | I'm affected by this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594295 |
| 19:52.50 | prsn | It looks like the patch exists; how can I get it? |
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| 19:53.43 | mycae | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=11;filename=control-persist.patch;att=1;bug=594295 |
| 19:53.47 | mycae | prsn:^^ |
| 19:54.11 | prsn | okay, now what do i do with it? ;) |
| 19:54.16 | mycae | check out the source with apt-get |
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| 19:54.35 | mycae | then apply it with patch -pSOME_NUMBER_DEPENDING_UPON_WHICH_FOLDER_UR_IN < patchname |
| 19:54.46 | mycae | then build with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:56.02 | mycae | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 |
| 19:56.19 | mycae | look at comment 16 after reading the article. |
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| 20:01.09 | BrixSat | hello |
| 20:01.41 | BrixSat | how do i install my graphic card driver on debian squeeze? (ati radeon Xpress 1100) |
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| 20:04.47 | wols_ | BrixSat: it works out of the box with the "radeon" driver |
| 20:05.07 | BrixSat | but not so good when i make youtube videos fullscreen |
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| 20:05.48 | wols_ | there is no other driver. ati's fglrx doesn't support your chip |
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| 20:06.16 | wols_ | which flash plugin do you use? |
| 20:06.45 | BrixSat | nonfree |
| 20:07.19 | BrixSat | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:07.20 | abrotman | are you sure you're actually using the radeon driver? |
| 20:07.28 | BrixSat | abrotman: no |
| 20:07.42 | bernhard1 | how can i check which php.ini is actually used/loaded ? |
| 20:07.48 | BrixSat | im not expert on that area abrotman |
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| 20:08.10 | enjoycrf | phpinfo |
| 20:08.11 | abrotman | bernhard1: idoes a phpinfo() tell you ? |
| 20:08.15 | BrixSat | bernhard1: create a php info with phpinfo(); |
| 20:08.27 | enjoycrf | haha |
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| 20:08.45 | enjoycrf | <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 20:09.16 | enjoycrf | $:D->;p(); |
| 20:09.22 | babilen | BrixSat: Also make sure you have firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri installed |
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| 20:11.00 | BrixSat | babilen: i got thoose installed |
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| 20:12.18 | bernhard1 | <abrotman> <enjoycrf> /etc/php5/fpm/php.ini |
| 20:12.31 | enjoycrf | so |
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| 20:12.41 | bernhard1 | my question actually is.. i try to disable suhosin. |
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| 20:12.41 | BartlomiejB | hi. |
| 20:12.41 | bernhard1 | [suhosin] |
| 20:12.41 | bernhard1 | ; Misc Options |
| 20:12.41 | bernhard1 | suhosin.simulation = On |
| 20:13.05 | enjoycrf | wth is suhosin |
| 20:13.06 | bernhard1 | but adding that to php.ini and restarting php-fpm still loads it. |
| 20:13.23 | abrotman | enjoycrf: google will tell you |
| 20:13.26 | abrotman | bernnot sure you can .. did you look in the docs ? |
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| 20:13.37 | enjoycrf | goodle doesnt kno anything |
| 20:13.40 | abrotman | ugh |
| 20:13.40 | abrotman | berna |
| 20:13.40 | BartlomiejB | what could be wrong when mutt doesn't remove temporary file created when viewing attachment in external program? |
| 20:14.00 | bernhard1 | This server is protected with the Suhosin Extension 0.9.32.1 |
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| 20:14.32 | abrotman | bernhard1: better question, why do you want to disable it ? |
| 20:14.37 | bernhard1 | i need to have it disabled to make my script work.. |
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| 20:14.44 | abrotman | that's a bit vagfue |
| 20:14.57 | deco | when i install git-all why does apache start ? |
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| 20:15.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | I was wondering why some of the contrib packages are on the official DVD set, but not all of them. Whats the reasoning? |
| 20:15.04 | bernhard1 | Suexec, suhosin, suphp, suapache modules must be disabled |
| 20:15.08 | BartlomiejB | perhaps you should rewrite your script, then ;) |
| 20:15.15 | enjoycrf | edit ur ini search for suhosin |
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| 20:15.37 | deco | i don't understand why apache needs to start at boot after you install git-all |
| 20:15.38 | enjoycrf | just comment those modules |
| 20:15.47 | babilen | BrixSat: Could you run "glxinfo" and paste the output along with your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 20:16.17 | abrotman | bernhard1: did you check teh php5 docs in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 20:16.35 | enjoycrf | docs r for noobs |
| 20:16.52 | bernhard1 | <enjoycrf> there is no reference to it in php.ini .. but it is loaded i see it with php.info |
| 20:16.57 | abrotman | so are one letter words |
| 20:17.12 | babilen | deco: It depends on gitweb -- You probably don't really want git-all. |
| 20:17.17 | abrotman | bernhard1: i believe it's compiled in .. which version of php5 is this ? |
| 20:17.18 | BartlomiejB | like "I"? ;-) |
| 20:17.41 | enjoycrf | must be under a diff name |
| 20:17.45 | enjoycrf | google it |
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| 20:17.51 | deco | babilen: i want git-all but that's not an excuse to start apache at boot without telling me :-( |
| 20:17.57 | bernhard1 | <abrotman> please go help someone else.. you replys are not helpfull at all. |
| 20:18.11 | abrotman | bernhard1: what? |
| 20:18.20 | babilen | deco: Why? You installed gitweb and the service is started. I don't see a problem. |
| 20:18.21 | enjoycrf | hahaha |
| 20:18.33 | enjoycrf | i was helping this other guy once to bash |
| 20:18.51 | enjoycrf | and after i helped him he told me to fuk off too |
| 20:18.52 | enjoycrf | lol |
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| 20:19.02 | nkuttler | enjoycrf: that's quite common in my experience |
| 20:19.03 | deco | babilen: okay how do i stop a service from starting at boot ? |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | bernhard1: which version of php5 is this ? where did you get that php.ini ? |
| 20:19.27 | deco | babilen: im really liking debian was just surprised coming from slackware |
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| 20:19.29 | enjoycrf | omg |
| 20:19.37 | enjoycrf | wat u mean where u get the ini |
| 20:19.44 | enjoycrf | from the moon |
| 20:19.47 | enjoycrf | wth |
| 20:19.59 | abrotman | !wud |
| 20:20.00 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 20:20.16 | babilen | deco: Why do you install gitweb if you don't want it to run? Look into sysv-rc-conf or rcconf and don't forget to run insserv -- But I would actually rather recommend to remove gitweb and go for a smaller git package. |
| 20:20.24 | abrotman | do you have php5-suhosin installed? |
| 20:21.22 | deco | babilen: hmm okay thanks! |
| 20:21.23 | abrotman | bernhard1: could you: dpkg -l "*php*" .. and put that in a pastebin? |
| 20:21.27 | enjoycrf | plz stop being noobs |
| 20:21.30 | enjoycrf | everyone |
| 20:21.58 | bernhard1 | this is my php.ini http://pastebin.com/6CU5iUHc |
| 20:22.03 | OldParr | which one of these should i download for an intel core i3 cpu http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 20:22.15 | babilen | enjoycrf: Please start to communicate in English and use punctuation instead of the enter key ;) |
| 20:22.37 | enjoycrf | is that how they do it in babi land? |
| 20:22.42 | enjoycrf | lol |
| 20:22.45 | abrotman | enjoycrf: stop being difficult |
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| 20:25.50 | BrixSat | babilen glxinfo output was --> name of display: :0.0 Segmentation fault |
| 20:25.57 | babilen | heh |
| 20:26.16 | abrotman | loks promising |
| 20:26.19 | abrotman | looks |
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| 20:26.28 | abrotman | stabs the lag |
| 20:26.51 | valdyn | OldParr: we dont know which desktop environment you want - thats all the difference. Though you can get anything later too via internet. |
| 20:27.59 | babilen | BrixSat: Are you executing this on a remote server? |
| 20:28.27 | BartlomiejB | any mutt users here? |
| 20:28.39 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 20:28.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:28.45 | babilen | BartlomiejB: Yes, but you probably want #mutt for even more. |
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| 20:29.43 | BrixSat | babilen: this was runned on my machine |
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| 20:29.48 | OldParr | valdyn: then the only diference is the desktop not the architecture |
| 20:29.53 | BartlomiejB | there is a number of patches applied in debian/ubuntu mutt version that is probably not present in stock mutt. |
| 20:30.13 | BartlomiejB | s/t is p/t are p/ |
| 20:30.32 | valdyn | OldParr: yes, i see only i386 there |
| 20:30.59 | babilen | BrixSat: What does "echo $DISPLAY" give you and what about the Xorg.0.log? |
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| 20:31.56 | babilen | BartlomiejB: There is a mutt-patched version which is mainly due to mutt upstream being a bit, well, strange about applying community patches. What can we help you with? |
| 20:32.19 | BrixSat | echo $DISPLAY => :0.0 |
| 20:32.23 | OldParr | can i get via bittorrent the files on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
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| 20:32.36 | BartlomiejB | mutt doesn't remove temporary file after viewing attachment in external app. |
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| 20:33.22 | babilen | BrixSat: Ok, try "DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo" and paste your log |
| 20:33.29 | BartlomiejB | the file has permission 400. I suspect that might be the reason, but I don't know why it is created with such permissions. my umask is 0077. |
| 20:33.33 | ompaul | what is the name of the image that I'm looking for "squeeze" with a more recent kernel |
| 20:33.41 | BrixSat | babilen: the log http://pastebin.com/ae4TgZRX |
| 20:33.44 | ompaul | brain gone very blank |
| 20:33.53 | valdyn | ompaul: kmuto? |
| 20:33.57 | ompaul | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:34.23 | BrixSat | babilen: the "DISPLAY=:0 glxinfo" => name of display: :0.0 Segmentation Fault |
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| 20:34.57 | babilen | BrixSat: Ok, log? |
| 20:35.03 | valdyn | BrixSat: tell us what you did recently to your graphics drivers |
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| 20:35.29 | BrixSat | valdyn: i have a fresh debian install :) |
| 20:35.43 | BrixSat | babilen the log is http://pastebin.com/ae4TgZRX |
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| 20:37.20 | kingsley | If you use a LogiTech Marble mouse, what's the "InputDevice" entry in your configuration file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"? |
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| 20:37.47 | abrotman | kingsley: it's a normal mouse |
| 20:38.07 | BartlomiejB | HUH. just as I suspected: the culprit is a patch from Debian. |
| 20:38.37 | kingsley | abrotman: Please elaborate on which "it" you referred to. |
| 20:38.51 | abrotman | the mouse |
| 20:39.26 | babilen | BrixSat: Multiple problems related to DRI (direct rendering) and GLX, no wonder it is slow. |
| 20:39.27 | BartlomiejB | http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/3261 - in ubunut/debian version there is only a first patch, which is not correct. pity :/ |
| 20:39.43 | BrixSat | babilen: :S how do i solve them? |
| 20:39.52 | babilen | BrixSat: Good question :) |
| 20:39.59 | BrixSat | :) |
| 20:41.02 | BrixSat | babilen: any help (im noob on this area) |
| 20:41.09 | BartlomiejB | well, I guess I'd have to fix it myself. |
| 20:41.56 | BartlomiejB | I already downloded sources (sudo apt-get source mutt). how can I create an installable .deb package after making changes to source code? |
| 20:42.06 | BartlomiejB | s/downloded/downloaded/ |
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| 20:42.33 | babilen | BrixSat: Given that the card is ancient I don't think that you actually need anything newer. It looks as if the card is not well supported. I would recommend to ask about that specific chipset (RS482) in the #radeon channel. |
| 20:42.50 | BrixSat | :) ok |
| 20:43.05 | BrixSat | babilen: thanks |
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| 20:43.40 | babilen | BrixSat: Another idea is #debian-x on irc.oftc.net -- I don't think that you've made a mistake. Did you configure X manually or is this just plain autoconfiguration? |
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| 20:44.25 | BrixSat | babilen: plain autocondiguration (should i hand do it? |
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| 20:44.55 | OldParr | an *.img is the same that an *.iso |
| 20:44.59 | OldParr | ? |
| 20:47.31 | babilen | BrixSat: No, but it might have been *your* misconfiguration (although it does not look like it) -- It is likely a bug somewhere, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Please ask upstream (#radeon) and the Xorg maintainers (#debian-x on irc.oftc.net) before reporting a bug. I currently have a look at the bug reports. But even if you value your time at £5/h it would probably be cheaper to buy a new low-end card ;) |
| 20:47.37 | daemonkeeper | OldParr: No. |
| 20:48.09 | daemonkeeper | OldParr: However some (many) people actually mean a raw image (img) when calling something .iso |
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| 20:49.59 | BrixSat | =) this is a laptop :p so i supose i cant change graphic card that simply |
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| 20:50.22 | divbell | i'm looking for a way to enforce a maximum password length via pam but i'm not finding anything |
| 20:50.27 | divbell | pam_unix supports a minimum length |
| 20:50.31 | babilen | BrixSat: Well, I skim the bug reports you ask upstream + maintainers. |
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| 20:50.57 | divbell | any ideas? |
| 20:51.53 | divbell | libpam-passwdqc appeared to support a maximum length but it adds a bunch of other checks too |
| 20:52.27 | divbell | and i haven't been able to make the max=N support work |
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| 20:52.56 | BrixSat | babilen: thanks :) |
| 20:53.35 | babilen | BrixSat: There were some RS482 related bugs, but they were closed and not really related to DRI ... Good luck! (I am in those channels too) |
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| 20:53.51 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 20:54.08 | mah454 | How can i configure Xorg to listen tcp ? |
| 20:54.32 | nsadmin | ssh wouldn't work for you? |
| 20:55.32 | nsadmin | but direct answer, I guess you would generate a config file, make sure that config file works as generated, then edit to add tcp listening |
| 20:55.35 | nsadmin | but |
| 20:56.02 | nsadmin | I'm not sure whether you want X to listen tcp, or your xdm flavor, or both |
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| 20:56.29 | nsadmin | and, |
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| 20:57.02 | nsadmin | it's a fair chance you don't need any with the existing ssh method that's already set up |
| 20:57.38 | nsadmin | mah454, read all that |
| 20:58.00 | valdyn | this is probably one of the things that you dont want, if you have to ask the how |
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| 21:00.08 | nsadmin | valdyn, I'd probably limit that to "he still needs to explore what he wants, ways of getting it, and for each, all inplications |
| 21:00.44 | mah454 | nsadmin i can not test xhost command ? |
| 21:00.56 | valdyn | mah454: why do you want this? |
| 21:01.40 | sedulous | nsadmin: there are reasons to use plain X11-over-TCP, e.g. for local connections from or to virtual machines. SSH is unnecessary in that case |
| 21:01.41 | nsadmin | mah454, you can if you want... and, xhost can open you to a lot of unknown and likely unwanted connections coming into your box |
| 21:01.42 | mah454 | nsadmin learning this command . I use debian base (ubuntu) in desktop ... |
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| 21:02.28 | babilen | BrixSat: Ok, I would do the following: Add "radeon" to /etc/modules and reboot -- You also want to report that issue ("reportbug xserver-xorg-video-radeon") and/or discuss it in #debian-x first. |
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| 21:03.07 | sedulous | mah454: check out /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc (remove -nolisten, and be very careful with your firewall rules) |
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| 21:03.25 | Kartagis | yay! I'm on debian |
| 21:03.39 | mah454 | ok |
| 21:03.41 | mah454 | tnx |
| 21:03.44 | mah454 | bye |
| 21:03.47 | nsadmin | ok, so for the details on how you would go about opening this up (and also find out how to restore it to closed, and then do so when you're finished exploring!!), see: #ubuntu. debian base and ubuntu base are -not- the same, and they diverge more and more every day |
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| 21:04.11 | babilen | BrixSat: But please try to reload X first as suggested -- You login manager should allow you to do that. (Do you use gdm/gdm3/kdm/xdm? You can also use CTLR-ALT-F1 to change to a console, where you log in as root and run "service gdm3 restart" (replace gdm3 with whatever is appropriate (gdm, kdm, xdm, ..) |
| 21:04.33 | nsadmin | <debian> Kartagis: get off me,,, you're crushing my leg!! |
| 21:04.36 | mah454 | nsadmin ubuntu users do not answer to my question ! |
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| 21:05.03 | nsadmin | mah454, you'll need some patience |
| 21:05.20 | mah454 | nsadmin :D ok tnx ... |
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| 21:06.57 | Kartagis | heh nsadmin |
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| 21:08.11 | TheWarden | Hi, I feel stupid asking this but how does one use tar on Debian to archive files/directories from a list (file)? On OpenBSD I used -I filename but in Debian it appears -I is to use compress prog |
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| 21:09.06 | koshieFinalReliz | I'm configuring a chroot and I'm reading on a (french) tutorial some command to type to configure it but I've an error message about a misuse of mount : http://pastebin.com/SSJtxckw and when I don't write at the ends of the lines «none bind» it works. If I understand it's because the syntaxe in the tutorial is incorrect. |
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| 21:10.30 | fbs | koshieFinalReliz: that looks like an fstab entry |
| 21:10.49 | fbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.49 | fbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.09 | fbs | just do mount --bind /dev /var/chroot/monchroot/dev |
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| 21:11.37 | koshieFinalReliz | I've to add this lines to /etc/fstab too, so I'm adding none bind for fstab but for the shell I don't use them ? |
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| 21:11.56 | fbs | nop |
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| 21:12.23 | koshieFinalReliz | fbh, nop = no problem ? :p |
| 21:12.32 | fbs | nop is you dont use them |
| 21:12.53 | koshieFinalReliz | So I'm right, right ? |
| 21:12.59 | fbs | for fstab you need to specify the fstype (none) and options (bind) |
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| 21:13.09 | TheWarden | the file would contain a list of directories or files that would be archived. |
| 21:13.21 | deco | i'm running bind how can i make dhcpcd "keep resolve" |
| 21:13.34 | deco | i don't wat /etc/resolv.conf to change |
| 21:13.38 | deco | s/wat/want |
| 21:13.48 | fbs | koshieFinalReliz: cli version would be mount -t none -o bind /dev /var.. |
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| 21:15.13 | koshieFinalReliz | fbs, so for fstab I'm writing «/proc /var/chroot/mychroot/proc none bind», it's okay, but not for the shell. None and bind are reserved to /etc/fstab. |
| 21:15.24 | koshieFinalReliz | (sorry if I'm wrong, I'm not very good in english) |
| 21:15.27 | fbs | jup |
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| 21:15.30 | fbs | you're right |
| 21:15.36 | koshieFinalReliz | \ð/, thanks dude. |
| 21:15.38 | fbs | mount -o bind /dev /var |
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| 21:16.05 | koshieFinalReliz | I will send an e-mail to the webmaster, to tell him about his mistake. |
| 21:16.12 | fbs | :) |
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| 21:21.40 | BrixSat | babilen: now im here :) |
| 21:21.45 | babilen | BrixSat: You were still online there when I wrote them, but I take that as a no :) |
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| 21:22.52 | BrixSat | humm maybe on another session of the pc :/ dunno |
| 21:23.11 | babilen | BrixSat: Yeah, nevermind :) |
| 21:23.41 | babilen | BrixSat: Ok, I would recommend the following: Please show both logs to the people in #debian-x (irc.oftc.net) and report a bug (reportbug xserver-xorg-video-radeon) -- A workaround would be to add "radeon" to /etc/modules, but that issue should be fixed. |
| 21:23.45 | babilen | Can you run glxinfo now? |
| 21:24.20 | twobitsprite | question about freeradius to ldap on this site: http://wiki.debian.org/FreeRadiusToLdap |
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| 21:24.35 | twobitsprite | it says I need a "Auth-Type := LDAP" line for each user |
| 21:24.56 | twobitsprite | is there no way to tell it to go to LDAP for every user, or do I really need to specify every radius user in the config file? |
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| 21:25.36 | BrixSat | babilen: nope still segmentation fault |
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| 21:25.43 | divbell | i did get pam passwdqc working to limit the maximum password length |
| 21:25.46 | babilen | BrixSat: Ok, was just interested :) |
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| 21:25.54 | babilen | s/interested/curious |
| 21:26.04 | samantha-c- | e4fsck reports: Error storing directory block information (inode=17960470, block=0, num=2348015): Memory allocation failed |
| 21:26.04 | samantha-c- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.29 | divbell | the man page for passwdqc.conf is missing |
| 21:26.46 | BrixSat | babilen: :) no prob |
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| 21:32.40 | twobitsprite | nevermind, there's a DEFAULT user in freeradius |
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| 21:35.07 | simpleblue | just installed debian for first time and now reboot * crosses fingers * |
| 21:35.23 | babilen | simpleblue: Hope to see you soon :) |
| 21:35.51 | valdyn | samantha-c-: not enough ram |
| 21:36.03 | valdyn | samantha-c-: didnt we already have this? |
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| 21:37.03 | valdyn | samantha-c-: theres a solution that doesnt involve adding swap space, but that one is probably slower |
| 21:37.15 | simpleblue | okay, seems to boot fine. actually, one of the fastest boots i've seen |
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| 21:37.42 | samantha-c- | valdyn, i'm all ears, because adding swap space involves finding a drive, which will probably be USB2, and hanging it on the machine. swap space over USB2 will be abysmal. |
| 21:37.59 | valdyn | samantha-c-: http://serverfault.com/questions/9218/running-out-of-memory-running-fsck-on-large-filesystems |
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| 21:39.02 | valdyn | samantha-c-: even if its usb2 its possible that swap would be an order of magnitude faster, try anyway |
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| 21:39.47 | samantha-c- | valdyn, i'm going to try scratch first. scratch can go onto an SSD with 37gb free. thank you for the pointer. |
| 21:40.05 | valdyn | samantha-c-: swap can do that too |
| 21:40.17 | samantha-c- | valdyn, not without resizing the partition, which i don't want to do. |
| 21:40.25 | valdyn | samantha-c-: that scratch_files option could now only be useful for 32-bit systems |
| 21:40.38 | valdyn | samantha-c-: umm, you can use swap *files* like swap partitions |
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| 21:40.58 | cusco | baloons on the website ! |
| 21:41.02 | cusco | happy birthday |
| 21:41.21 | simpleblue | lol, deb is 18 years old :) |
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| 21:43.01 | jelly-home | what about ian |
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| 21:47.24 | cusco | ian is old :p |
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| 22:01.46 | argonel | what was update-modules replaced with? |
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| 22:02.06 | simpleblue | hmm, network interface not found * lightly wimpers * |
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| 22:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | simpleblue: Was it a netinstall? |
| 22:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | simpleblue: Wired or wifi? |
| 22:03.33 | simpleblue | yes jhutchins |
| 22:03.39 | simpleblue | wired |
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| 22:04.06 | simpleblue | not listing with ifconfig |
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| 22:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | simpleblue: So you know it works, it's just a matter of setting it up correctly. Pastebin /etc/interfaces, make sure network-manager isn't enabled. |
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| 22:04.41 | simpleblue | yes, i'll get up and running |
| 22:05.14 | simpleblue | its just a case of getting used to this. i'm good with arch and i thought i'd give deb a try |
| 22:05.16 | jhutchins_lt | k, let us know if you need help. |
| 22:05.19 | simpleblue | thx |
| 22:05.33 | argonel | i just found an ancient package installed, its pre-rm script tries to run update-modules. do i just force the package removal or do i fix the pre-rm script? |
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| 22:06.36 | themill | argonel: it would be worthwhile having a look over what else it wants to do, but yes, adding "exit 0" at the top might be the easiest |
| 22:07.29 | sinisterstuf | does anyone know how to increase the number of items I can have for "bookmarks" in the gnome panel places menu before it becomes a sub-menu? |
| 22:07.29 | sinisterstuf | I've looked around gconf a bit but I didn't seem to find anything |
| 22:08.43 | argonel | themill: in addition to update-modules, it checked to see if a process is running and kills if it is |
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| 22:09.56 | themill | argonel: sounds like the sort of thing you could do manually if you needed to |
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| 22:17.35 | Kartagis | hi |
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| 22:18.57 | Kartagis | I'm trying to dpkg the latest stable version of kvirc. I got the .deb from kvirc.net and dpkg -i says it will break kvirc-data. how can I upgrade it? |
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| 22:21.14 | themill | Kartagis: I can't see any debian packages on their website. |
| 22:21.34 | blackshirt | Kartagis : is kvirc.net provides repository list ? |
| 22:21.39 | Kartagis | themill: I got the ubuntu one |
| 22:21.54 | Kartagis | blackshirt: I don't think so |
| 22:21.56 | themill | Kartagis: that's part of the problem then, isn't it? |
| 22:22.09 | Kartagis | themill: what is? |
| 22:22.17 | themill | !bobbitt |
| 22:22.17 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 22:22.26 | simpleblue | brb |
| 22:22.52 | bernhard1 | Just upgraded nginx.. but now my php5 does not work.. please check my nginx config http://pastebin.com/CmPzPJz9 |
| 22:23.03 | themill | Kartagis: don't use packages on a debian box that weren't explicitly compiled for debian. (and don't go around installing random .debs in general) |
| 22:23.04 | Kartagis | same goes for ubuntu and debian? |
| 22:23.22 | themill | Kartagis: yes. even more so. |
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| 22:25.08 | bernhard1 | here is the nginx update info.. http://pastebin.com/xmtQH4p0 |
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| 22:29.52 | Kartagis | themill: luckily, I found debian packages |
| 22:30.12 | Kartagis | and its size was different than the other .deb |
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| 22:31.42 | derric | Help I broke my system by upgrading to Squeeze. |
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| 22:36.12 | jhutchins | That's, what, three today? |
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| 22:49.11 | drinkycr0w | every time i start my netbook, speaker is set to 0. master and pcm are set to 100% but i have to open alsamixer and turn up the speaker channel. ideas? |
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| 23:10.25 | samantha-c- | so i stilled dphys-swapfile, edited the config file to give me a 24g swap, and it still only sets up 2g of swap space. "want /var/swap-24576MByte, limiting to 2048MBytes as configured" ... why? where? |
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| 23:12.14 | samantha-c- | ... i installed ... |
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| 23:21.33 | harovali | in an old woody machine, I installed a NIC that has rtl8169 chipset, then I think I need to upgrade the 2.4.18 kernel, unless I can compile a compatible module in 2.4.18. What cares do I have to take in order for the kernel to find all the needed files after booting a 3.0.1 kernel ? |
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| 23:22.23 | themill | I can't imagine woody on 3.0 is going to be a happy combination. |
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| 23:24.17 | dondelelcaro | harovali: is there any reason why you don't upgrade to a version of Debian which is actually currently supported? |
| 23:24.35 | dondelelcaro | woody machines shouldn't really be connected to a network |
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| 23:25.22 | harovali | dondelelcaro: yes I know |
| 23:26.33 | totte | I copied a root directory from an installation image to /tmp/lol and try to do a chroot /tmp/lol /bin/bash but get an error stating that /bin/bash doesn't exist. What could be the issue? |
| 23:28.10 | totte | If I simply do /tmp/lol/bin/bash I get a shell, no issue there. |
| 23:28.12 | civillian | totte: does /tml/lol/bin/bash exist? |
| 23:28.42 | totte | civillian: Yeah. |
| 23:29.08 | boudiccas | totte; does /bin/bash work on its own? |
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| 23:30.43 | totte | boudiccas: /bin/bash? I... think so, what do you mean? |
| 23:30.58 | harovali | aparently 2.6.x have 8169 support, would 2.6.x for some value of x , work with the (yes I know) woody environment ? |
| 23:31.16 | boudiccas | totte; can you get /bin.bash working without using your /tmp files? |
| 23:31.23 | boudiccas | /bin/bash |
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| 23:31.55 | totte | If I do /bin/bash I get my ordinary shell, if I do /tmp/lol/bin/bash I get another ordinary shell. |
| 23:32.16 | boudiccas | totte; isnt that what you're trying to achieve? |
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| 23:33.26 | totte | boudiccas: I'm not sure I follow you there. chroot still won't launch that shell. |
| 23:33.39 | civillian | totte: what about simple chroot /tmp/lol |
| 23:34.31 | jhutchins_lt | totte: Then ls /bin |
| 23:34.38 | totte | civillian: I get "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory" |
| 23:35.09 | boudiccas | totte; cat /etc/debian_release please |
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| 23:35.51 | totte | boudiccas: I've got /etc/debian_version, it says 6.0.2. |
| 23:37.22 | totte | jhutchins_lt: Both /bin/bash and /tmp/lol/bin/bash exist. Are there other files in /bin or /tmp/lol/bin of interest? |
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| 23:37.38 | roma | . |
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| 23:38.48 | themill | totte: "ldd /bin/bash" shows a pile of other libraries are required. Did you copy them too? |
| 23:39.12 | totte | themill: Yes, done and done. |
| 23:39.15 | lduros | hello, I have video files from a hdd camcorder as MOD -- I'd like simply to get them into a dvd. What non-linear video editing tool would you recommend for this? Thanks |
| 23:39.20 | dondelelcaro | (or install bash-static) |
| 23:39.40 | totte | They exist both in /lib and /tmp/lol/lib. |
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| 23:41.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how to switch squeeze to CUT? |
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| 23:43.10 | totte | Gah, nevermind guys, found the issue. My MacBook keeps messing up the network with .DS_Store files and what have you. |
| 23:43.37 | civillian | totte: hate those damn files |
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| 23:45.12 | totte | I log in ONCE to my debian box and 8-10 new files and directories are created in my home directory. God forbid I browse to anywhere else if I want to access a shared movies directory. |
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| 23:45.26 | totte | Sorry for the rant, I'm just so sick of this. |
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| 23:46.49 | themill | ditching the legacy OS that creates silly files everywhere sounds like a plan then |
| 23:47.20 | SpecR | hi mates, pardon the dumb question in advance, but, how many of the cds are atually necessary for a base install plus some server stuff, may be the classic, apache, php,mysql? |
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| 23:47.32 | daemonkeeper | None to one. |
| 23:47.42 | arafangion | Use network to install the extra crap. |
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| 23:49.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | SpecR: you can just download the 1st CD which has the Base and the Gnome Desktop. And install the extra from the net. |
| 23:50.19 | daemonkeeper | Or netinst, which has no desktop at all. |
| 23:50.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
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| 23:50.53 | SpecR | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that's precise the problem, the servers are not allowed to download anything from internet |
| 23:51.16 | SpecR | yes, no need for X |
| 23:51.27 | SpecR | only basic system plus server stuff |
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| 23:53.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | SpecR: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
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| 23:55.38 | SpecR | thanks |