| 00:00.08 | SpecR | in my time (in sarge time), there were 4 cds (put of the 14) now I see there's like 50CDS |
| 00:00.17 | SpecR | O_O |
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| 00:04.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | can anyone tell me if this is a security update mirror? http://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Debian/dists/squeeze-updates/ |
| 00:05.18 | streuner | i doubt it |
| 00:05.48 | peterrooney | sh4d3sl4y3r_: if you have to ask, it's not. |
| 00:06.55 | Fredfall | How can you copy and paste between application in awesome window manager? |
| 00:07.34 | streuner | CTRL-C -> CTRL-V should work always? |
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| 00:08.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well how do i make the numlock button to be on during bootup ? |
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| 00:08.48 | Fredfall | streuner, thanks |
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| 00:13.36 | arosen | Hello, I deleted all my ssh keys from /etc/sshd how do i regenerate new ones? |
| 00:14.01 | arosen | When I do ssh -vvv host I get debug3: key_read: missing whitespace |
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| 00:14.31 | tharkun | Gentlemen is it possible to manually set up a wifi with wpa_supplicant without using /etc/network/interfaces but giving it direct commands ? |
| 00:14.52 | stooj | arosen: try ssh-keygen |
| 00:15.30 | arosen | stooj: tthat isn't putting the keys in /etc/sshd though |
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| 00:15.52 | tharkun | arosen: /etc/sshd or do you mean /etc/ssh |
| 00:16.06 | arosen | /etc/ssh |
| 00:16.24 | arosen | I still have my ssh_config sshd_config in ther |
| 00:17.10 | tharkun | arosen: copy your config file somewhere else purge openssh-server && install openssh-server |
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| 00:18.44 | tharkun | arosen: that way all your server keys are automagically generated for new ones. After that diff your conf file with the vanilla one the package has |
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| 00:19.45 | xaneth | can some help me w/q4wine halo and fable debugging |
| 00:19.48 | arosen | tharkun: thanks' |
| 00:20.01 | tharkun | arosen: np gl |
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| 00:20.24 | xaneth | can some help me w/q4wine halo and fable debugging |
| 00:20.39 | th0r | xaneth: you would have more luck in #wine |
| 00:20.54 | xaneth | i just came from there |
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| 00:21.37 | xaneth | i talked to iridium |
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| 00:22.02 | xaneth | so |
| 00:22.04 | xaneth | i talked to iridium |
| 00:22.47 | xaneth | and he said they don't support playonlinux |
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| 00:26.50 | george__ | I'm starting off programming with python on linux, When I do print(10/3) for example, it outputs 3 instead of what it should be with decimal |
| 00:27.08 | nevyn | is integer divide |
| 00:27.17 | george__ | ? |
| 00:27.22 | nevyn | / is integer divide |
| 00:27.38 | nevyn | so python is wierd. |
| 00:27.39 | george__ | shouldn't it give 3.333333333333333333333 |
| 00:27.41 | nevyn | try 10.0/3.0 |
| 00:27.46 | nevyn | iirc |
| 00:27.46 | boudiccas | and 10 divided by 3 = 3 |
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| 00:28.02 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:28.08 | xci | heh |
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| 00:28.45 | george__ | nevyn, now it worked :P wow, what the hell, I'm following a guide to learn python and it only said do 10/3 or whatever, nothing with using a decimal |
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| 00:29.29 | boudiccas | george__; Linux Format [the british linux mag] has been running a python programming coiurse for the last four months, maybe that would help you out |
| 00:29.55 | george__ | boudiccas, I'm using wikibooks right now, hmm |
| 00:30.05 | pingveno | Is there a patch out there that adds dist-packages support to virtualenv? |
| 00:31.20 | george__ | seems like python is different on linux compared to windows |
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| 00:33.49 | h1gh | george__: It is version dependent. http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1439189 |
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| 00:35.25 | george__ | h1gh, yeah, that's just what I figured too :/ Ehh, debian is behind only version 2.5 and 2.6 are in stable repos. Don't understand why they made such drastic changes to the programming between versions. Soo drastic that 3 is seen different from 3.0 |
| 00:36.57 | h1gh | george__: Yes, it's a big change. Maybe that's why it's not in "stable"... |
| 00:37.11 | george__ | lol |
| 00:37.20 | george__ | yeah, I guess it makes sense |
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| 00:39.19 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 00:41.20 | morphic | hallo, i'm trying to bridge a wlan0 interface with Qemu, and use hostapd in the virtual machine to make it an access point, is that possible/ |
| 00:41.23 | morphic | ?* |
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| 00:42.45 | handheldcar | My terminal's autocomplete is messed up, today. When I press tab to complete a directory, BASH doesn't stop at the end of its name with a slash on the end; it stops after a space on the end like a filename. |
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| 00:45.58 | george__ | h1gh, when you have both 2.5 and 2.6 of python installed and you run just the python command, does it run python 2.5 or 2.6? |
| 00:46.46 | h1gh | george__: It depends on your PATH env. var. |
| 00:46.55 | george__ | ? |
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| 00:47.19 | george__ | what if I don't have one set in the actual program? |
| 00:47.26 | h1gh | george__: echo $PATH |
| 00:47.43 | h1gh | george__: Then specify in the shabang line of the program. |
| 00:48.27 | george__ | h1gh, but if it's not specified which one would it default to? |
| 00:49.05 | h1gh | george__: See "which" command, i.e. which python |
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| 00:52.03 | george__ | h1gh, yeah, that's the weird thing, seems like I have /usr/bin/python, /usr/bin/python2.5, and /usr/bin/python2.6, that's why I'm confused as to which version is being used by /usr/bin/python, I checked the man files of each and they're all the same |
| 00:52.17 | xaneth | hay python |
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| 00:53.14 | h1gh | george__: python -V |
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| 00:55.20 | george__ | h1gh, alright, yeah it seems that python is just a link to the latest version of python which is 2.6, thank you :) |
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| 01:00.53 | harovali | I |
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| 01:02.04 | harovali | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.43 | dvs | 2.4.18? Are you running sarge or something? |
| 01:02.58 | harovali | dvs: yes, somewhat older |
| 01:03.01 | lduros | hello, I need mpeg2video codec to be able to burn mpg files to DVD using Brasero? I read somewhere it was removed for patent risks: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/e01e68ae7349be76 |
| 01:03.17 | lduros | so what can I do to make it possible to burn DVD Videos? :-) |
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| 01:04.27 | dvs | harovali: it probably won't work because udev has to be updated. |
| 01:04.56 | lduros | I have added Debian Multimedia but I don't know what to do from there |
| 01:04.59 | harovali | dvs: udev was introduces between 2.4.18 and 2.4.39 ? |
| 01:05.23 | dvs | harovali: udev was *updated* between 2.4.18 and 2.4.39 |
| 01:05.59 | harovali | dvs: But isn't udev just kernel stuff that gets alive when booting ? |
| 01:06.22 | dvs | harovali: but it has to be somewhat in sync with the kernel. |
| 01:06.51 | harovali | dvs: well, I'd be upgrading the kernel , from the current 2.4.18 to 2.4.39 |
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| 01:07.16 | dvs | harovali: and you have to upgrade udev or else it wont work. |
| 01:07.28 | harovali | dvs: how can I do that ? |
| 01:07.45 | dvs | harovali: dunno with an old version of Debian. |
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| 01:08.05 | harovali | dvs: how would do it with a current verison of debian ? |
| 01:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: With a 2.4 kernel, the EASIEST way would be to back up the data and do a clean new install. |
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| 01:09.24 | dvs | just assumed we were talking about 2.6. Silly me. |
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| 01:09.53 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: that provided, I need to upgrade remotely if possible, hard to do a fresh install |
| 01:10.02 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: Otherwise, we have to step through all the intervening upgrades, and not all of them were smooth. Do you know the name of the relese you have? |
| 01:10.14 | harovali | woody |
| 01:10.20 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:10.37 | jhutchins_lt | So.... That would be woody, sarge, etch, lenny, squeeze? |
| 01:10.39 | harovali | people tend to ask why and all the fuzz |
| 01:10.50 | harovali | I'm not stupid |
| 01:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | Well, one real question would be why do you need support for new hardware on such an old system? |
| 01:11.28 | harovali | I just have to solve the problem the mos straight forward way , if possible, if not, then I'd got the correct way |
| 01:11.58 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: because a new hardware has been attached to the machine |
| 01:12.12 | harovali | a r8169 |
| 01:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: I have persuaded hosting companies to provide me with a second server that I can do the new install on, then transfer the data. Mine didn't charge me any extra, just the slightly higher fee for the newer (bigger) hardware. |
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| 01:13.39 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: that's truly great, but the case here does not involve a hosting provider, just a remote customer |
| 01:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | Tell remote customer that hardware more than five years old is just a crash waiting to happen. |
| 01:14.27 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: I'll do |
| 01:14.35 | jhutchins_lt | It WILL go down, it WILL be at the worst possible time, and they WILL have to replace it before it comes back up. |
| 01:14.52 | jhutchins_lt | If they do a parallel replacement now, they save downtime. |
| 01:14.59 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: in the meantime, I'll try to make the f*ck*ng 8169 working if possible at all |
| 01:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | Any way you can get an older NIC for now? |
| 01:15.19 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: yes, maybe |
| 01:15.27 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: I don't think that's going to happen. the 8169 didn't exist in the 2.4 world. |
| 01:15.31 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: that's plan b |
| 01:15.40 | jhutchins_lt | Get an old 3com or intell temporarily. |
| 01:16.00 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: not in 2.4.18, but yes in 2.4.39, I've browsed thru the linux modules code |
| 01:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | (I've probably got one in the basement, not that that does you much good.) |
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| 01:16.27 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: :) that'd help too |
| 01:16.29 | jhutchins_lt | !tell harovali about archives |
| 01:16.44 | jhutchins_lt | You might find a 2.4.39 there. |
| 01:17.27 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: debian archives really rock. The point is how to upgrade just the kernel in a woody |
| 01:17.52 | jhutchins_lt | +++ |
| 01:18.04 | harovali | most people mentioned udev upgrade. I'd try to do that upgrade, but I don't know how |
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| 01:18.34 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: I'm not sure that's necessary, I think udev is a 2.6 thing. (not positive). |
| 01:18.40 | argonel | there's no udev in 2.4 |
| 01:19.11 | harovali | jhutchins_lt: so, just compiling the kernel, takint the .config file of the former 2.4.18 compilation, would just work ? |
| 01:19.28 | harovali | and making make oldconfig , etc |
| 01:19.46 | harovali | argonel: tks |
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| 01:22.44 | harovali | I'm downloading the vanilla kernel 2.4.39.9 , and putting the .config there, enabling the driver of r8169, let's see what happens |
| 01:22.57 | argonel | harovali: i built my own kernels in the 2.4 era, and i did start with a debian config. i seem to recall a couple of failures to boot though... |
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| 01:24.29 | harovali | argonel: that's what I'm afraid of |
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| 01:25.34 | argonel | harovali: yeah, not such a big deal for me, i just chose the previous kernel on reboot. i have no idea how you do that remotely :) |
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| 01:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | harovali: That can be done, but it would be better if you could get a packaged kernel. |
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| 01:32.37 | milehigh | Hi, I'm trying to get an old 32 binary to run on debian squeeze amd64, i installed ia32-libs and I'm close to getting it to work, but I'm still missing the libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 |
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| 01:33.14 | milehigh | Is there a way to add it to ia32 libs? I know I used to use /emul/ia32-libs but that directory doesn't seem to exist anymore? |
| 01:33.40 | n0sq | i just installed squeeze on a dell laptop but i can't get logged in as a user (goes back to the login screen) - i tried a console login and that was OK but when i executed startx the xserver crashed but when i logged in as root the xserver started OK - what would cause this? |
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| 01:34.44 | DasEi | milehigh: better to try it in a vm first; getlibs |
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| 01:35.03 | milehigh | DasEi: what's getlibs? Trying it in a chroot for now anyways |
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| 01:35.44 | DasEi | milehigh: a tool that pulls needed libs for unwilling 32/64 environments |
| 01:36.05 | milehigh | Is it in the repos? |
| 01:36.29 | Fah | hey, anyone familiar with snmp? I'm setting up an openblocks system running debian as a monitor. |
| 01:36.38 | Fah | and i wanted to check my understanding |
| 01:37.27 | DasEi | milehigh: i can find it, dpkg says no, second |
| 01:38.12 | DasEi | milehigh: http://pastebin.com/kMmNXJHN |
| 01:38.41 | milehigh | ok, ill give it a shot, thanks |
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| 01:39.14 | DasEi | milehigh: be warned, that can cause problems, better try in a vm or a non-productive first |
| 01:39.15 | milehigh | it's trying to download from ubuntu libraries and failing to download the packages |
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| 01:40.19 | DasEi | milehigh: else can install the app on a 32bit vm and then check it's dependencies and manually d/l them |
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| 01:40.32 | milehigh | I know the dependencies |
| 01:41.14 | NekawA | hey guys i'm having an issue here, i just upgraded kernel to 3.0, now when system boots it seems to be using static IP even though interfaces shows auto for eth0 and dhcp.. |
| 01:41.27 | hochron | !nvidia |
| 01:41.28 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:41.33 | NekawA | ..running 'dhclient' as root obviously fixes this, anyway to restore the dhclient run at startup without a custom init script |
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| 01:44.26 | hochron | installing an nvidia driver, how do you determine which one should be installed? |
| 01:44.56 | streuner | dpkg, nvidia |
| 01:44.56 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:46.43 | hochron | that doesnt help streuner, I dont know my model # |
| 01:47.20 | streuner | hochron: lspci -v | grep -i vga should help |
| 01:47.30 | hochron | ty |
| 01:47.40 | streuner | np |
| 01:48.42 | hochron | !nvidia dkms-173xx |
| 01:48.42 | dpkg | For Squeeze users (GeForce 5xxx / GeForce FX GPUs supported). Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 01:51.24 | sary | I'm attempting to install "GNOME Shell" within Squeeze from experimental .. i get this out-put http://paste.debian.net/126449/ , which confused me ..! |
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| 01:52.19 | sary | I don't even know what "virtual package" stands for! |
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| 01:53.45 | streuner | dpkg, virtual package |
| 01:53.45 | dpkg | i guess virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use "aptitude search '~Ppackagename'" or "/msg judd ... |
| 01:54.20 | streuner | sary: i didnt see Gnome Shell yet, and iam using sid... |
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| 01:54.52 | streuner | sary: besides, you are only able to use experimental if you using sid |
| 01:55.39 | sary | streuner: :-) thanx for the virtual package inform. |
| 01:56.09 | streuner | well, its just insane, if you try to install experimental packages in squeeze |
| 01:56.12 | sary | Awe! .. thats clears it all. |
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| 01:57.41 | sary | hmm , then i guess my only method to try out GNOME-Shell is from the Live-CD , or is there another way around! |
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| 01:59.10 | DarkEyes | How can I reinstall Dovecot/Imap when I currently have a failed/partial install? |
| 01:59.34 | DarkEyes | Debian Squeeze |
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| 01:59.42 | jhutchins | aptitude -f install |
| 02:00.35 | NekawA | hmmm |
| 02:00.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Is it better to perform a fresh installation for Testing? Or Switching from Squeeze to Testing? |
| 02:00.58 | streuner | last |
| 02:01.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 02:01.15 | NekawA | ok i dont understand wheree debian is getting this random IP for static IP that i did not put in |
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| 02:04.58 | simonlnu | sh4d3sl4y3r_: doesn't matter |
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| 02:07.31 | OldParr | where can i get live cdwith bittorrent? |
| 02:07.48 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | OldParr: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 02:08.46 | DarkEyes | http://pastebin.com/VFJDM4w5 Says its already the newest. But the install is bad/failed |
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| 02:11.27 | dvs | DarkEyes: So reinstall |
| 02:12.52 | OldParr | sh4d3sl4y3r_: thanks |
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| 02:18.33 | NekawA | hmm |
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| 02:31.32 | s3a | I just got a new Nvidia card today (I've been using AMD/ATI all my life) and I followed this: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Install_the_kernel_module to no success. I can't even get in my Debian installation! It gets to the console (non-GUI stuff) but it everything dark and if I try to do ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f2 very very fast, I can see the console text to login for a split second but I can't even type blindly, I checked. So, now I' |
| 02:31.32 | s3a | m in a live DVD and can successfully chroot into the installation. I tried with an xorg.conf (the one from the link I gave) and it didn't work so I then removed the xorg.conf. Anyways, if you guys help me fix this, I would really appreciate it. (Since I can chroot into it; I can check which packages I have installed and fix the problem from here). |
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| 02:33.33 | kuznetzvo | when i messed with it i had to grab the right dkms for my nvidia card, but that was quite a while ago. i don't remember much :( |
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| 02:35.30 | s3a | kuznetzvo, nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
| 02:35.35 | nsadmin | s3a can u ssh in? |
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| 02:35.49 | kuznetzvo | yea that sounds right |
| 02:36.16 | s3a | nsadmin, i'm chrooted in and yes i can but prefer chrooting |
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| 02:36.36 | s3a | kuznetzvo, k so i'll try that and putting back the xorg.conf and reboot and if it works i'll say so from there otherwise, i'm loading the live DVD again |
| 02:37.02 | kuznetzvo | if you stick around for a while i'm sure someone more knowledgable than me will be online, too |
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| 02:39.39 | s3a | kuznetzvo, Yeah, I will stay if necessary but hopefully your advice was all I needed |
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| 02:40.52 | s3a | brb |
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| 02:40.57 | mjmt | You do need a minimal xorg.conf, that references the "nvidia" driver. Also not just nvidia-kernel-dkms, but the userland stuff as well, which package nvidia-glx should pull in. |
| 02:41.02 | mjmt | Doh. |
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| 02:43.38 | kuznetzvo | that's why i told him to wait :) |
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| 02:44.22 | kuznetzvo | i been out of work almost 3 years now. i'm well aware of the fact i get most stuff wrong =p |
| 02:44.29 | NekawA | hmm..yea..still doing it |
| 02:45.01 | mjmt | kuznetzvo: Nah recommending nvidia-kernel-dkms is good. :) |
| 02:45.02 | kuznetzvo | s3a: <mjmt> You do need a minimal xorg.conf, that references the "nvidia" driver. Also not just nvidia-kernel-dkms, but the userland stuff as well, which package nvidia-glx should pull in. |
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| 02:45.21 | NekawA | if anyone has any ideas why my system is using static IP after upgrading kernel even though the network/interfaces file says to use dhcp then let me know |
| 02:45.33 | kuznetzvo | is that a bad thing? |
| 02:45.59 | kuznetzvo | well, you're sure it's static and not just the dhcp server remembering the lease it gave to your nic's mac? |
| 02:46.42 | s3a | kuznetzvo, It works! :D |
| 02:46.48 | kuznetzvo | woot |
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| 02:47.21 | s3a | OMG! I hope I can finally play games in Linux! |
| 02:47.57 | kuznetzvo | don't jinx yourself :) |
| 02:47.58 | nsadmin | see what glxinfo does, and what glxgears does |
| 02:48.42 | s3a | 10361.400 FPS |
| 02:48.52 | s3a | directx 11/opengl 4.2 |
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| 02:48.56 | nsadmin | I'd say you got it going |
| 02:49.02 | s3a | :D |
| 02:49.31 | kuznetzvo | yay opengl |
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| 02:49.47 | s3a | so all i have to do in the future is just apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms and edit xorg.conf? |
| 02:49.49 | shirish | hi all, sometime back while playing around on the CLI came to know about using cat to not just see the output on stdout but also push in. |
| 02:50.06 | shirish | cat > somefilename |
| 02:50.06 | shirish | ......some data..... |
| 02:50.16 | s3a | i wish everyone used jogl (opengl java) |
| 02:50.31 | shirish | the only thing which is not known to me is how to save the data on the terminal. |
| 02:50.45 | mjmt | s3a: Shouldn't have to edit it, provided it mentions "nvidia". Doesn't need anything card specific these days. |
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| 02:51.23 | karlpinc | shirish: Perhaps using tee? |
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| 02:51.40 | s3a | mjmt, i meant on a new computer or something but thanks for mentioning |
| 02:51.56 | s3a | I have a problem actually. I'll elaborate soon, 2 secs. |
| 02:52.10 | s3a | nvm, i think i can solve it |
| 02:52.12 | NekawA | yea kuznetzvo positive checked in the router.. |
| 02:52.28 | NekawA | I don't even know where its getting the IP or the hostname from..I grep'd every text file on my system searching for it, can't find it anywhere |
| 02:52.47 | kuznetzvo | bugger. i dunno then |
| 02:52.51 | NekawA | i' now thinking it has something to do with this decnet package which i'm removing.. |
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| 02:53.01 | shirish | karpinc: solved it, seems CTRL+C (^C) does it. |
| 02:53.04 | NekawA | i can obviously run dhclient at startup |
| 02:53.17 | NekawA | just seems odd that its doing not what i tell it |
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| 02:53.50 | kuznetzvo | it does exactly what you tell it, not what you think you tell it |
| 02:53.52 | kuznetzvo | doh |
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| 02:57.26 | s3a | ya, i just needed to get the 32 bit libs |
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| 03:01.18 | kuznetzvo | \o/ |
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| 03:02.26 | blast_hardcheese | What does one do when dpkg has zombified? |
| 03:03.02 | mjmt | Throw holy water on it? What do you mean by zombified? |
| 03:03.06 | divbell | i reap it |
| 03:03.45 | kuznetzvo | when i'm drunk i usually come up with answers like "kill -15" or "kill -9" but that doesn't seem like a good idea sober.. |
| 03:04.04 | blast_hardcheese | mjmt: root 2025 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Hs 19:40 0:00 [dpkg] |
| 03:04.15 | blast_hardcheese | kill -9 2025 does nothing |
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| 03:09.33 | blast_hardcheese | Is it safe to just remove /var/lib/dpkg/lock and get on with software upgrades, then reboot the box? |
| 03:09.38 | shirish | hi all, epiphany-browser and a few webkit browsers are crashing when using gmail |
| 03:09.48 | shirish | I am trying to get a backtrace. |
| 03:09.57 | shirish | I saw the wiki page for the backtrace. |
| 03:10.31 | shirish | these are the commands I ran |
| 03:10.47 | shirish | $ gdb epiphany-browser |
| 03:10.47 | shirish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.02 | shirish | (gdb) set pagination 0 |
| 03:11.02 | shirish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:11.22 | qiyong | can I ask a smtp protocol question? |
| 03:11.34 | shirish | let it crash/segfault wherever it is happening. |
| 03:11.39 | shirish | and then do |
| 03:11.40 | shirish | (gdb) bt |
| 03:11.46 | nevyn | !tell qiyong about ask |
| 03:11.48 | shirish | gdb) thread apply all bt full |
| 03:12.03 | karlpinc | Humm. What's the difference between the debian and the debian-update cd images at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 03:12.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | shirish: would this story be easier to tell with a pastebin? |
| 03:12.20 | qiyong | why smtp protocol uses ascii, why not just utf-8? |
| 03:12.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | qiyong: its 500 years old |
| 03:12.37 | nevyn | qiyong: because it predates utf-8 |
| 03:12.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: they are updates against the original cd set |
| 03:12.43 | shirish | Kamping_Kaiser: negative, because its such a big backtrace and for 5 mins. the (gdb) thread apply all bt full is still running. |
| 03:12.56 | qiyong | Kamping_Kaiser: i know it's old, but is it possible to jump to pure utf8 world now? |
| 03:13.06 | qiyong | nevyn: ^ |
| 03:13.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: not sure if .2.1 update disks are an update against 0.0 or 0.2 though |
| 03:13.15 | nevyn | qiyong: flag days are bad. |
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| 03:13.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | qiyong: feel free to drive the rfc for it forwards |
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| 03:13.41 | qiyong | nevyn: will the next generation smtp protocol be pure utf8? |
| 03:13.56 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: What do you mean "update"? It's the size of an entire cd. |
| 03:14.02 | nevyn | there is an rfc for utf-8 mail aiui |
| 03:14.23 | shirish | Kamping_Kaiser: I am trying to understand what to do, just wait for some more time for (gdb) thread apply all bt full or do something else ? |
| 03:14.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: there are only 10 of them though, not 52 |
| 03:14.52 | karlpinc | qiyong: Everyone would have to adopt such a next generation approach. Why would they want to? |
| 03:14.53 | shirish | the webkit-3.0.0-gdb symbols file/package was 300 MB big |
| 03:15.09 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: Yah. So I should get the update then. (I only want cd1) |
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| 03:15.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | shirish: any reason to do a full bt rather then simply bt? |
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| 03:15.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | shirish: tbh, the epiphany devs are better people to ask ab out this then us (or the debian maintainers) |
| 03:16.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: unsure, i'd just use a netinst cd |
| 03:16.08 | shirish | Kamping_Kaiser: no reason was just following the wiki, if bt is good enough, then will stop it and do it again. |
| 03:16.18 | karlpinc | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm using a usb stick and may not have network. |
| 03:16.19 | shirish | Kamping_Kaiser: fair enough. |
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| 03:18.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | shirish: i'd suggest gou start with a bt, and if needed run bt full |
| 03:18.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | *you |
| 03:18.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | karlpinc: nod. |
| 03:18.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | i have a mirror on my laptop :p |
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| 03:25.04 | maher | otraoli: I have a friend who wants a managed host, any recommendations? |
| 03:25.25 | maher | otraoli: ooops that was meant to be OT |
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| 03:33.46 | blast_hardcheese | If I've got a package marked as half-installed, is there a way to roll back the half-installedness? |
| 03:34.13 | ParkerR | installedness my new favorite word XD |
| 03:34.26 | blast_hardcheese | :) |
| 03:34.57 | wols | blast_hardcheese: simple remove it like any other package |
| 03:35.13 | blast_hardcheese | wols: it's kind of openssh-server |
| 03:35.27 | wols | and this is important why? |
| 03:35.37 | blast_hardcheese | It's off in a datacenter somewhere |
| 03:35.50 | blast_hardcheese | I have no access to the box |
| 03:36.03 | maher | blast_hardcheese: do you want the old version or the new one? |
| 03:36.10 | blast_hardcheese | Old version |
| 03:36.13 | blast_hardcheese | Or new version |
| 03:36.16 | wols | if you have no access why do you ask anything? unless you have access, there's nothing you can do, can you? |
| 03:36.17 | blast_hardcheese | I just need it to be not broken anymore |
| 03:36.34 | blast_hardcheese | wols: Sorry, I have no physical access to the box. |
| 03:36.57 | maher | blast_hardcheese: have you tried reinstalling it? eg apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 03:37.01 | wols | unless you have any access, physical, kvm, live cd, etc. we cannot help you |
| 03:37.39 | maher | blast_hardcheese: i assume you still have an ssh session running... |
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| 03:38.03 | maher | blast_hardcheese: if so, what went wrong? |
| 03:38.46 | schism | Is there some cache I need to clear after creating a pin file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ ? |
| 03:38.49 | blast_hardcheese | wols: Well, I'm currently logged into the machine; It's an etch box, I'm doing an upgrade. Unfortunately there was a half-broken version of libc6. When I tried to fix that, it downgraded libc6 to libc-bin |
| 03:39.27 | maher | blast_hardcheese: do you have console access to this box by some other method? |
| 03:39.32 | blast_hardcheese | unfortunately no |
| 03:39.54 | maher | are you doing an etch->lenny upgrade? |
| 03:40.20 | blast_hardcheese | Currently, yes. The person before me did an etch->testing upgrade of libc6 |
| 03:40.36 | blast_hardcheese | then when I tried to go to lenny, it downgraded those packages. |
| 03:41.51 | blast_hardcheese | The next time I attempted to install anything dkpg got stuck in a weird state |
| 03:41.56 | maher | what version of libc6 do you have now? |
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| 03:42.07 | blast_hardcheese | libc-bin, I'll check the version. |
| 03:42.48 | blast_hardcheese | 2.11.2-10 |
| 03:43.02 | kuznetzvo | is there some good book or video tutorial for learning the current or semi-current in's and out's of debian? the generic linux videos i've seen up to this point reference unbelievably old distros and cover generic stuff, 80% or more of which is no longer in use... |
| 03:43.22 | maher | blast_hardcheese: you should have a libc6 - is it 2.11.2-10? |
| 03:43.27 | nsadmin | current in == current out |
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| 03:44.21 | blast_hardcheese | maher: 2.11.2-10 |
| 03:44.34 | maher | blast_hardcheese: that's squeeze's libc6 |
| 03:45.17 | nsadmin | kuznetzvo, huge question. really huge. I suggest you get into command line stuff, and learn your shell |
| 03:45.18 | blast_hardcheese | Gotcha. |
| 03:46.02 | maher | blast_hardcheese: you're meant to go etch->lenny->squeeze, but if you already have squeeze's libc it may be better to try going straight to lenny - how important is this box? |
| 03:46.16 | blast_hardcheese | maher: Ok, so the good news is that aptitude install worked this time; I made the terminal fewer than 13 lines tall, which forced it to not use ncurses and switch back to readline. |
| 03:46.26 | blast_hardcheese | For some reason /that/ worked where the ncurses interface did not. |
| 03:46.36 | blast_hardcheese | (I assumed it was ncurses, the blue promt screen) |
| 03:46.48 | blast_hardcheese | maher: Very important |
| 03:47.02 | blast_hardcheese | At least now I'm at a point where I have no broken packages. |
| 03:47.27 | maher | blast_hardcheese: well - see if it can do an etch->lenny upgrade with squeeze's libc... |
| 03:47.27 | blast_hardcheese | Should I just install packages from squeeze now? |
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| 03:47.35 | blast_hardcheese | Alright, I'll do that. |
| 03:47.46 | blast_hardcheese | This was a very old etch box, I'm upgrading packages in groups |
| 03:47.58 | blast_hardcheese | there were about 370 packages installed, 320 of them were outdated. |
| 03:48.38 | nsadmin | in groups? from etch to last released etch? |
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| 03:49.45 | nsadmin | you should upgrade to lenny then to squeeze; it wasn't intended to skip |
| 03:49.46 | maher | blast_hardcheese: watch out for kernel / udev issues doing lenny->squeeze |
| 03:49.54 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: I could do that, yeah |
| 03:49.58 | schism | nm, got it, the pin file i created had a '.' in the name, and apparently that's a nogo, time to make a patch. |
| 03:50.09 | blast_hardcheese | maher: Yeah, I got bit by that with my personal boxes |
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| 03:50.21 | nsadmin | one way, start with just upgrading the kernel |
| 03:50.25 | nsadmin | reboot |
| 03:50.27 | blast_hardcheese | Right. |
| 03:50.42 | nsadmin | then upgrade dpkg, apt-get, aptitude |
| 03:50.52 | nsadmin | start using aptitude right then |
| 03:50.59 | maher | blast_hardcheese: but try and get to lenny before upgrading to squeeze... |
| 03:51.00 | blast_hardcheese | So I should install linux-image-686, which should auto-select 3.0, right? |
| 03:51.14 | blast_hardcheese | maher: I've already switched the /etc/apt/sources.list to point to lenny |
| 03:51.18 | nsadmin | no! |
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| 03:51.35 | nsadmin | you're running etch, you need to get the kernel from -lenny- first |
| 03:51.37 | kuznetzvo | yeah it is a huge question. i spent alot of time growing up reading about things i never used, so it was all quickly forgotten. kind of hoping to learn something that would improve my chances in the job market, given i haven't worked in almost 3 years.. |
| 03:52.18 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: Gotcha. |
| 03:52.31 | blast_hardcheese | But linux-image-686 should grab lenny's kernel, right? |
| 03:52.46 | nsadmin | you shouldn't go further than lenny until you're fully in lenny, then go on |
| 03:52.50 | blast_hardcheese | kk. |
| 03:52.54 | nsadmin | that sounds right, yes |
| 03:52.58 | blast_hardcheese | 202 upgrades to get to lenny. |
| 03:53.15 | nsadmin | don't do them until you do those first steps |
| 03:53.27 | nsadmin | upgrade to lenny kernel |
| 03:53.29 | nsadmin | reboot |
| 03:53.39 | nsadmin | upgrade dpkg, apt-get, aptitude |
| 03:53.46 | nsadmin | use aptitude from then on |
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| 03:55.28 | nsadmin | at that point you -probably- want to do the upgrade this way: |
| 03:55.46 | nsadmin | aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 03:56.11 | nsadmin | (copy/paste the output which includes what it wants to install/remove/upgrade) |
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| 03:56.26 | nsadmin | aptitude full-upgrade |
| 03:56.36 | nsadmin | after that, I'd consider rebooting again |
| 03:56.54 | blast_hardcheese | 20:56:26 up 537 days, 6:48, 7 users |
| 03:56.56 | blast_hardcheese | Rebooting |
| 03:57.02 | xrfang | on the man page of update-rc.d, it says: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] B name remove |
| 03:57.08 | blast_hardcheese | (This server hasn't been touched in quite a while) |
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| 03:57.11 | nsadmin | heh :) sorry about that :) |
| 03:57.17 | xrfang | "B" appears in several cases. but not mentioned in the documentation below. |
| 03:57.22 | xrfang | I wonder what is "B" here? |
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| 03:57.31 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: I'd much rather have a functional box than an old box :) |
| 03:58.49 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese, did you get other packages when getting the kernel? |
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| 04:30.50 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin, maher: All is well, things are going smoothly! |
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| 04:31.21 | kuznetzvo | nice. |
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| 04:36.30 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: Pinging. |
| 04:36.43 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: I'm just checking up on something. This? http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/package/xbmc.php (Your PPA?) |
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| 04:41.58 | Improv | Hey all; when I installed Debian, I didn't install the desktop packages. How might I go about installing that package set after install? |
| 04:42.23 | Lasers | Improv: Gnome? |
| 04:42.49 | Improv | Lasers: Sure. Really, I just want the equivalent of having selected that package set to begin with. |
| 04:43.09 | Lasers | Improv: http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome -- There are few metapackages. It's up to you to decide which one you want. |
| 04:43.48 | Improv | Thank you. |
| 04:44.36 | Improv | I am actually playing with Debian HURD, but I assume most of the commands/process is the same. |
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| 04:45.43 | Improv | Ahh. It seems "tasksel" is what I want. Groovy. |
| 04:47.13 | Improv | (I'm more familiar with a different family of Linux distros, but I was excited to see the Debian project make an effort to make a proper distro of HURD, so I'm checking it out) |
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| 05:04.39 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to create a tar file of a bunch of files such that when the tarball is extracted those files will show up inside a directory? |
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| 05:17.25 | Guest89653 | i just installed debian 6.02 (squeeze?) i am highly impressed. |
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| 05:20.01 | nsadmin | yes, 6.0 ia squeeze |
| 05:20.34 | pfred1 | is there a KDE 3.5 package for Squeeze? |
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| 05:24.30 | Lasers | Anyone on their primary user. Please run "groups" and report the outcome. |
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| 05:27.37 | pfred1 | Lasers do you mean the user account we usually use? |
| 05:27.57 | Lasers | pfred1: Yes, please. |
| 05:28.05 | pfred1 | Lasers OK here pfred1 dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 05:28.09 | Lasers | I only have xbmc,sudo. |
| 05:28.21 | Lasers | pfred1: Thank you. I'll try it. |
| 05:29.48 | pfred1 | Lasers sure np :) |
| 05:32.42 | civillian | hehe: top - 12:26:17 up 12 days, 14:28, 3 users, load average: 178.04, 139.62, 110.52 |
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| 05:33.39 | nathan_ | i just put debian 6.0 on my machine very impressed so far.. just one issue though. with compiz enabled, my system seems to be running slow |
| 05:33.56 | Lasers | I can't figure out why I'm getting "Configuring system and starting XBMC... Not starting X. ... (warning)." Am I missing something so far? :( |
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| 05:34.52 | mjmt | Lasers: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for an error at the end. |
| 05:35.17 | nathan_ | i.e. glxgears went from 15000 to 600, and combiz benchmark is only giving me 45-60, where on a different distro it was sitting pegged on 120, and glxgears stayed at 15000 no matter whether i had compiz on or off, playing youtube videos, rotating cube etc. |
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| 05:36.01 | pfred1 | nathan_ what video driver are you using? |
| 05:36.42 | nathan_ | i followed the install instruction for ati proprietary driver |
| 05:36.54 | pfred1 | I did that once it worked once too |
| 05:37.11 | Lasers | mjmt: http://pastebin.com/QqSjM7da -- Something about Sony TV contradicting itself (among with other WW) |
| 05:37.19 | nathan_ | its only an onboard radeon chip on a new board |
| 05:37.32 | pfred1 | nathan_ see if glxinfo says direct rendering: Yes |
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| 05:39.09 | nathan_ | it said direct rendering: yes |
| 05:39.37 | pfred1 | nathan_ that is good means you are running accelerated Gl at least |
| 05:39.43 | nathan_ | yeah |
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| 05:40.47 | bookmark | sup yalls |
| 05:41.20 | bookmark | is there a window manager that uses startx and compiz? |
| 05:41.31 | bookmark | i mean i use startx |
| 05:41.39 | bookmark | and i want compiz |
| 05:42.13 | mjmt | Lasers: That looks like it started successfully. Sure it's not an earlier log? |
| 05:42.21 | pfred1 | bookmark gnome? |
| 05:42.32 | bookmark | hmmm not sure about that |
| 05:43.17 | pfred1 | bookmark what aren't you sure about that you can start gnome running startx? |
| 05:43.31 | bookmark | can fwyeah |
| 05:43.36 | bookmark | whoops yeah i mean |
| 05:43.43 | Lasers | mjmt: Deleting Xorg (I ran it one time with xinit) -- Rebooting. I'll see if it generate one - -but I don't think it will. |
| 05:44.02 | pfred1 | bookmark of course you can edit your ~/.xinitrc file |
| 05:44.43 | Lasers | mjmt: Nothing. I know xinit ran just fine. I'm using package 'xbmc-live' to automate XBMC startup. |
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| 05:46.55 | mjmt | Lasers: Yeah I don't know anything about XBMC sorry, but at least you know your X server likely isn't the problem. |
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| 05:47.09 | pfred1 | Compiz sure does seem to be a resource hog to me |
| 05:47.32 | bookmark | do you have hardware acceleration? |
| 05:47.38 | Lasers | mjmt: I'll ask in XBMC channel. Thank you. |
| 05:47.51 | pfred1 | bookmark if you want to call it that I guess so |
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| 05:48.05 | jpinx | could someone please tellme how to get squeeze default ssh to work to my N900 mobile over usb? I get operation not permitted in squeeze. It tries matching keys and then passwd, but always fails |
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| 05:49.10 | pfred1 | I'm getting a mad 3117 frames in 5.0 seconds = 623.385 FPS running glxgears |
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| 05:53.43 | jokar | all: |
| 05:53.46 | jokar | hello |
| 05:53.55 | jokar | how download Gnome 3 for debian 6? |
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| 05:54.23 | Kartagis | is it possible to get packages from unstable to mix with stable? |
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| 05:55.00 | pfred1 | Kartagis not if you want to be stable I would not think |
| 05:55.17 | blast_hardcheese | nsadmin: System is now up to stable! |
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| 05:56.00 | jokar | i see gnome 3 but it has not download for debian |
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| 05:56.14 | Kartagis | jokar: there's a PPA at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 |
| 05:56.39 | jokar | i download all debian package dvd |
| 05:56.51 | jokar | but package not include gnome 3 |
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| 05:57.14 | pfred1 | jokar last i looked full Debian was 52 CDs |
| 05:57.25 | nevyn | pfred1: he said DVD |
| 05:57.27 | Kartagis | 52? |
| 05:57.33 | tensorpudding | gnome 3 isn't in stable |
| 05:57.42 | jokar | yes i download all 6 DVD |
| 05:57.43 | pfred1 | nevyn can you get 52 CDs forth of data onto one DVD? |
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| 05:58.03 | nevyn | pfred1: 52 cd's == 6 DVD's |
| 05:58.04 | pfred1 | jokar 6 DVDs? |
| 05:58.10 | jokar | yes |
| 05:58.24 | Kartagis | pfred1: I want to get packages from unstable because packages in stable are old |
| 05:58.30 | jokar | Gnome 3 is for fedora and opensuse |
| 05:58.39 | pfred1 | Kartagis welcome to Debian |
| 05:59.13 | Kartagis | ubuntu at work, debian at home |
| 05:59.48 | pfred1 | I don't think many run Debian stable for the latest versions |
| 06:00.33 | pfred1 | that is Debian stable's biggest selling feature all the versions you know and love |
| 06:01.49 | pfred1 | except Squeeze has KDE 4 boo! |
| 06:03.27 | nutron | If I fork a script in the background which contains a while loop that will forever loop in my .xinitrc, is there a way to find the script running the while loop upon the end of my X session so that I may kill it? |
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| 06:03.43 | nutron | I guess I could record the pid... |
| 06:03.56 | pfred1 | can't fg foreground it? |
| 06:04.18 | nutron | I didn't even give gnome 3 a chance, moved to xfce |
| 06:04.30 | pfred1 | hmm I thought there was an fg that foregrounded backgrounded processes |
| 06:04.54 | nutron | pfred1: aye, though I'd need to specify the job, so that may not work |
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| 06:05.28 | pfred1 | I'm checking out these instructions for KDE 3.5 on Squeeze |
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| 06:09.09 | pfred1 | hmm maybe fg is a bash internal? |
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| 06:09.29 | pfred1 | it isn' really something I find myself doing very often you know |
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| 06:13.59 | jason404 | I want to move my user directory |
| 06:14.10 | bookmark | why |
| 06:14.18 | jason404 | will moduser do it cleanly, and change all that is required? |
| 06:14.31 | jason404 | bookmark: just for the hell of it |
| 06:14.43 | yagoo | jason404, you mean usermod |
| 06:14.52 | jason404 | oh yeah |
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| 06:15.11 | jason404 | will it change everything that needs to be changed |
| 06:15.18 | pfred1 | I'm starting to feel like I need to go to the darkside |
| 06:15.21 | yagoo | dunno.. man usermod may say.. |
| 06:16.14 | jason404 | ok |
| 06:16.24 | jason404 | well, I did go through that |
| 06:16.34 | jason404 | I thinkthe swicthes are -d and -m |
| 06:16.52 | jason404 | but I was wondering if there were any possible problems I may encounter |
| 06:17.07 | jason404 | would file timestamps change, for example? |
| 06:17.16 | pfred1 | I like my user i use the same id on all my systems |
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| 06:18.21 | cillo564 | its there more video editors than kdenlive, openshot? |
| 06:19.30 | pfred1 | cillo564 only if mencoder counts it is the only thing I have ever used to edit videos with |
| 06:19.36 | yagoo | cillo564, http://www.google.ca/search?q=list+of+video+editors+linux+site%3Awikipedia.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 06:19.59 | pfred1 | though i have to admit the interface is awfully clunky |
| 06:20.03 | bookmark | mencoder is pretty awsome i just can't use it very well |
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| 06:20.22 | cillo564 | thanks |
| 06:20.29 | bookmark | i rip my avchd videos with it |
| 06:21.05 | pfred1 | I made this video with mencoder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkgFQa5lzzM&feature=channel_video_title |
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| 06:25.43 | laidback_01_ | hey, ah, trying to install the eclipse-platform. Did it disappear from debian recently? |
| 06:25.52 | pfred1 | bookmark for a while I had a thing with seeing just how small I could encode a movie |
| 06:26.21 | bookmark | lol |
| 06:26.26 | bookmark | that's funny |
| 06:26.33 | pfred1 | I found the trick is all in how you scale it |
| 06:26.34 | bookmark | wmv probably |
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| 06:26.59 | pfred1 | nah I like xvid |
| 06:27.31 | pfred1 | once i figured out the scaling trick the phase past |
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| 06:27.51 | yagoo | pfred1, that's duke nukem profile pic.. you're scary |
| 06:28.05 | pfred1 | yagoo who what where? |
| 06:28.13 | yagoo | pfred1 ;-) |
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| 06:28.38 | yagoo | pfred1, I wish i had my own workshop.. however i wouldnt put those boxes against the garage door.. |
| 06:28.40 | bookmark | pfred1: i like your little models |
| 06:29.06 | pfred1 | bookmark thanks a lot who see them ask me why I didn't use sketchup |
| 06:29.17 | yagoo | (fresh air can poof nicely from an opened garage door :) |
| 06:29.24 | pfred1 | doesn't like to wine ... |
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| 06:29.42 | pfred1 | yagoo if i opened my garage door I'd be running a zoo |
| 06:29.49 | bookmark | why didnt you use sketch up? |
| 06:30.01 | pfred1 | every frog snake and large insect would hot foot it right in! |
| 06:30.21 | yagoo | pfred1, i don't see anything to suck up the wood dust.. :) |
| 06:30.21 | pfred1 | bookmark because sketchup doesn't run natively on Linux |
| 06:30.25 | bookmark | just installed autodesk maya and its running |
| 06:30.28 | bookmark | ah.... |
| 06:30.40 | pfred1 | yagoo yeah when I woodwork the dust does film |
| 06:30.47 | yagoo | bookmark, oh ya? |
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| 06:31.08 | bookmark | word is bond |
| 06:31.40 | pfred1 | yagoo I made this after I made that video http://i.imgur.com/VannV.jpg |
| 06:31.49 | pfred1 | so the video is sort of out of date now |
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| 06:32.36 | pfred1 | it was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be |
| 06:32.46 | bookmark | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZYs8J5op7Y i made this with mencoder some and some other apps |
| 06:33.33 | pfred1 | bookmark in the beginning I was like i can relate to driving on lawns |
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| 06:33.52 | yagoo | pfred1, your stuff workshop reminds me of this guy http://purgatoryironworks.com/ ... he used to post videos to his audience on the now defunt spikedhumor.com .. |
| 06:33.57 | pfred1 | I like to do it in my 4WD truck though :) |
| 06:34.23 | yagoo | pfred1, you can make a business making videos on workshop diy howtos.. |
| 06:34.26 | yagoo | lol |
| 06:34.56 | pfred1 | yagoo I have an anvil almost exactly like he does! http://i.imgur.com/sbIwS.jpg |
| 06:35.31 | yagoo | pfred1, you have this crazy gear.. you do metal work too? |
| 06:35.42 | pfred1 | cept I milled mine http://i.imgur.com/W9BUl.jpg |
| 06:35.46 | yagoo | black smithing is hardcore stuff.. |
| 06:36.28 | bookmark | its about my bed time yawn |
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| 06:36.45 | yagoo | bookmark, ok :).. btw what ver is it of maya? |
| 06:36.47 | pfred1 | yagoo I have a blast furnace http://i.imgur.com/Ld6E4.jpg |
| 06:37.02 | bookmark | maya 2008, i need to make a backup copy of the dvd actually |
| 06:37.07 | pfred1 | yagoo I think everyone should have a blast furnace |
| 06:37.22 | bookmark | would i just do: dd /dev/cdrom ~/my.iso ? |
| 06:37.35 | yagoo | pfred1, i think a blast furnace is good stuff.. no more shopping for cheap kitchenware.. |
| 06:37.37 | pfred1 | bookmark only if you want to copy every scratch |
| 06:37.41 | bookmark | would i just do: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/my.iso ? rather |
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| 06:37.56 | yagoo | pfred1, with your equipment you can make the best sharp knifes they can never put on the market.. |
| 06:37.56 | pfred1 | dd will copy every defect |
| 06:38.16 | pfred1 | yagoo I don't know those ceramic knives intrigue me |
| 06:38.25 | bookmark | ok assuming it has no defect i just installed and its fine |
| 06:38.31 | pfred1 | yagoo I have some cyro solengen knives that I can get wicked sharp |
| 06:38.46 | pfred1 | bookmark CDs do CRC |
| 06:38.50 | yagoo | bookmark, yes.. but its special dvd (maybe if its bluebook-- like hybrid).. then it may not do the whole thing.. |
| 06:38.57 | yagoo | ,/but if// |
| 06:39.12 | bookmark | so what's the propper way to create an iso of it? |
| 06:39.20 | pfred1 | something like 123 MB of every disc is devoted to error correction |
| 06:39.22 | bookmark | nero in windows? heheh |
| 06:39.33 | yagoo | bookmark, well i'm saying if you know the format then its fine 1:1 copy.. |
| 06:39.41 | chipnt | hi everyone, i have /dev/shm and /lib/init/rw as tmpfs partitions with 0% space left, how could i increease those partitions? |
| 06:39.44 | chipnt | what is it safe to do |
| 06:39.52 | chipnt | files are already in swap an everything is slow |
| 06:40.17 | pfred1 | I think you can make shm bigger in /etc/fstab I was just reading about it the other day |
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| 06:40.42 | chipnt | is that a solution to increase space right now without reboot ? |
| 06:41.05 | yagoo | pfred1, alot of people don't get this conception.. cat /dev/<cd or dvd/ > ~/somefile.dump .. doesn't always do a 1:1 copy.. (hybrid stuff) |
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| 06:41.22 | yagoo | (also not taking into any copy-protection either) |
| 06:41.31 | pfred1 | yagoo you'll get a copy but a copy may not be what you want |
| 06:42.09 | yagoo | pfred1, well the iso9660 track is ok.. but if its multi-track the copy may not work... but i think there's tools to look out for this.. |
| 06:42.18 | pfred1 | there's a reason a large fraction of CDs is devoted to error code correction |
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| 06:42.44 | yagoo | usually* this is not a problem.. but he mentioned maya.. so i have no idea how it's formatted.. and i know maya is a very expensive piece of software |
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| 06:43.26 | pfred1 | I think some commercial software deliberately puts errors into discs as a form of copy protection |
| 06:43.41 | Some_Person | I "safely removed" my SD card. How can I get Debian to detect it again without rebooting? |
| 06:43.53 | pfred1 | Some_Person reinsert it? |
| 06:44.03 | Some_Person | I did. Still no /dev/sdb |
| 06:44.10 | pfred1 | type mount |
| 06:44.21 | yagoo | pfred1, well he was able to install maya.. so i guess that wasn't much an issue.. i'm betting he has installed he can possibly install from that cd/dvd.. |
| 06:44.27 | pfred1 | maybe it went someplace else? |
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| 06:44.30 | Some_Person | Nope |
| 06:44.56 | pfred1 | Ok tail your /var/log/messages file |
| 06:44.57 | Some_Person | "safely removing" it seems to have removed the SD card reader |
| 06:45.18 | pfred1 | see what the silly OS did |
| 06:45.28 | bookmark | some person try: ls /dev > ~/one then: ls /dev > ~/two then: diff ~/one ~/two |
| 06:45.59 | bookmark | i mean stick the SD card in for two of course |
| 06:46.15 | Some_Person | No change in /dev |
| 06:46.23 | yagoo | pfred1, you're missing something in your workshop.. |
| 06:46.41 | pfred1 | yagoo yes a brass pole and dancing girls I know I'm working on it |
| 06:46.45 | yagoo | lol |
| 06:46.45 | Some_Person | It looks like silly Nautilus "removed" the SD card reader |
| 06:46.52 | yagoo | pfred1, exactly.. |
| 06:46.58 | yagoo | you read my mind :) |
| 06:47.28 | yagoo | yeah.. there's gnome/kde mount-helper stuff for the user.. |
| 06:47.33 | pfred1 | yagoo I already got the rocking club sound system |
| 06:47.35 | yagoo | gnomevfs |
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| 06:47.58 | yagoo | pfred1, this? http://i.imgur.com/Ld6E4.jpg |
| 06:48.14 | yagoo | pfred1, I noticed you have cat :) |
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| 06:48.24 | yagoo | he has blue gloWwY eyes... |
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| 06:48.45 | pfred1 | yagoo oh yeah he showed up one night and was crying like someone was beating him or something so I let him in now he thinks he lives here |
| 06:49.12 | yagoo | pfred1, I bet you didn't know you noticed he was in the picture.. you were too intrigued with the big rocks :p |
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| 06:49.34 | yagoo | pfred1, btw what is all that slab for? is it for the blacksmithing of somesort? |
| 06:49.37 | pfred1 | yagoo cats are sneaky if nothng else |
| 06:49.54 | pfred1 | yagoo you mean the bricks? |
| 06:50.13 | Some_Person | All right, I got it. Thank you "sudo modprobe -r usb_storage && sleep 2 && sudo modprobe usb_storage" |
| 06:50.17 | yagoo | pfred1, you were speaking furnace.. you can pretty much use bricks for anything for metal work.. |
| 06:50.48 | pfred1 | yagoo they're lightweight furnace bricks I salvaged out of some kilns |
| 06:51.19 | yagoo | pfred1, can you make plastics/remolding? |
| 06:51.29 | pfred1 | yagoo good thing too because they cost $5 a brick |
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| 06:51.33 | yagoo | pfred1, i'd like to one day make my own molds.. |
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| 06:51.54 | ompaul | and one day all offtopic conversations will take place in #debian-offtopic ;-) |
| 06:51.55 | pfred1 | yagoo I've never tried mold making I imagine it is very challenging |
| 06:52.15 | ompaul | it exists, has a population, and is at times very funny |
| 06:52.17 | pfred1 | ompaul one day you'll learn to tell time but I'm not holding my breath |
| 06:52.49 | ompaul | pfred1: it is just before midnight somewhere but here it is early morning |
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| 06:55.14 | chipnt | anyone could help me please? |
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| 06:55.34 | ompaul | !anyone |
| 06:55.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 06:57.19 | ompaul | chipnt: ask the real question in this form: I was doing X with Y, I expected Z I got N, using version boo of debian |
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| 06:57.37 | chipnt | ok |
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| 06:57.56 | sephii | how will iceweasel version numbering be done in Debian repos once Mozilla will drop the version numbering? :) |
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| 07:00.26 | chipnt | On my debian6 server there is a varish service running. which now seems to be very slow. I see that swap is already 154 mb big, system has 23.53 GB total, 5.81 GB RAM used and the problem is also that i have /dev/shm and /lib/init/rw as tmpfs partitions with 0% space left, how could i fix the system from being slow? |
| 07:01.06 | chipnt | i did google, i think i might run out of Inodes |
| 07:01.22 | bookmark | tmpfs is your ram i think |
| 07:01.25 | ompaul | sephii: that is a question the packager will deal with, I guess exactly the same way as they deal with squeeze 6.0 and so on and as I said guess |
| 07:01.47 | chipnt | y |
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| 07:02.50 | ompaul | chipnt: what does top say? |
| 07:03.23 | chipnt | http://pastebin.com/tfffczB8 |
| 07:04.02 | ompaul | chipnt: you can see your mysql is overloaded there - guess you need to fix that |
| 07:04.04 | ompaul | cheers |
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| 07:04.20 | chipnt | hope i can |
| 07:04.21 | chipnt | brb |
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| 07:10.43 | nsadmin | blast_hardcheese: yay! how do you like it? |
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| 07:19.31 | nsadmin | chipnt, so, are you out of inodes? if so, on which filesystem? |
| 07:19.47 | chipnt | ok thanks a lot ompaul |
| 07:19.51 | chipnt | nsadmin hope its fixed |
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| 07:20.05 | chipnt | mysql had a too much max_connexion value from the dba admin |
| 07:20.08 | chipnt | (test) |
| 07:20.16 | chipnt | and he did let it there last 5 days |
| 07:20.26 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: |
| 07:21.00 | niman | hi i need to know how customize gdm or gdm3 auto logon when i make live debian with live build help me plz |
| 07:21.54 | Lasers | blows a puff of smoke at xxtjaxx |
| 07:22.24 | bookmark | well gnight |
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| 07:23.00 | chipnt | nsadmin http://pastebin.com/NxDSamfm |
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| 07:23.53 | chipnt | nsadmin anymore advices i could take? |
| 07:24.06 | chipnt | mysql is better now after config/restart |
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| 07:25.48 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: Hey! I don't have that ppa. Nor that package. I tend to avoid anything related to debian-multimedia. |
| 07:26.09 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: How do you install XBMC then? |
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| 07:28.03 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: git clone $xbmc-git-url && cd xbmc && ./configure && make + a configured init/bash_profile that will start it automatically once init enters X11 :) |
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| 07:28.41 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: One piece of the puzzle is still missing though: A plymouth bootscreen |
| 07:28.49 | Lasers | [_]_[_] |
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| 07:29.31 | Lasers | I wouldn't worry too much about plymouth bootscreen. I guess I'll try the command. Oh, can you paste .xinitrc / .bash_profile ? |
| 07:29.34 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: It's an HTPC setup you didn't really think there is much else on that box ^^ |
| 07:29.54 | xxtjaxx | will do when I get back |
| 07:30.27 | Lasers | I'm using debian-multimedia. I kept getting "Configuring system and starting XBMC... Not starting X. ... (warning)" -- I'm not quite sure. Maybe it's because I have nothing to start the user with (or I didn't autologin the user) Something like that. |
| 07:30.43 | Lasers | Ah. Okay! |
| 07:31.16 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: just remove debian-multimedia all together. |
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| 07:32.41 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: I'll just wait until you get back (very soon or very later?) because it worked when I ran "xinit xbmc-standalone" |
| 07:33.09 | xxtjaxx | Lasers: 8 hrs |
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| 07:34.40 | nsadmin | chipnt, I use postgresql, not mysql (well, I code pg and not mysql) |
| 07:34.51 | Lasers | xxtjaxx: Heh. That's fine. I'll just hit the bed. Goodnight. Thanks (in advance)! :) |
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| 07:38.25 | nsadmin | but generally, I'd try monitors like top, and look at ps aux, uptime, free |
| 07:38.44 | nsadmin | it sounds a lot like mysql has serious memory leaks |
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| 07:41.27 | afuentes | im getting this error when trying to install virt-manager http://paste.debian.net/126465/ |
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| 07:41.37 | afuentes | is it a bug or am i missing something? |
| 07:42.22 | mjt | ,versions libvirt-bin |
| 07:42.38 | mjt | sigh |
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| 07:43.10 | nsadmin | could you show your /etc/debian_version |
| 07:43.37 | mjt | wheezy? |
| 07:44.12 | nsadmin | afuentes, could you show your /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:46.41 | Blue1 | nsadmin: cat /etc/issue |
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| 07:47.22 | nsadmin | Blue1, dunno when or how that file gets changed |
| 07:47.45 | Blue1 | nsadmin: it is generated as part of the install |
| 07:48.09 | nsadmin | or, the admin puts whatever message he wants there |
| 07:48.13 | Blue1 | for me: cat /etc/issue |
| 07:48.13 | Blue1 | Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l |
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| 07:48.33 | Blue1 | have you tried uname -a |
| 07:48.44 | mjt | what for? |
| 07:48.56 | Blue1 | that tells what kernel you are using |
| 07:48.57 | pfred1 | did you see my stepper motor driver videos? |
| 07:48.59 | pfred1 | ack |
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| 07:49.19 | Blue1 | also 32 or 64 bit system |
| 07:49.34 | mjt | how relevant is that for the issue at hand? |
| 07:49.35 | nsadmin | oh, for you, /etc/debian_version is meaningless... because you're running ubuntu and canonical has seen fit to ignore that file |
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| 07:49.46 | Blue1 | uname -a |
| 07:49.46 | Blue1 | Linux Homer 2.6.35-30-generic #56-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 11 20:01:08 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:49.46 | Blue1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.39 | Blue1 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:50.39 | Blue1 | squeeze/sid |
| 07:50.42 | mjt | i wonder if it's only me who puts debian revision number into kernel build#... ;) |
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| 07:50.57 | mjt | very handy, but I haven't seen it anywhere else. |
| 07:51.00 | nsadmin | for me, the issue at hand is a hand growing out of my knee... |
| 07:51.11 | Blue1 | nytol |
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| 07:53.09 | jelly-home | Blue1: what did you try to accomplish by asking for /etc/debian_version? |
| 07:53.50 | mjt | blue1 didn't ask for debian_version, nsadmin did |
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| 07:54.07 | mjt | heh. this is all backwards ;) |
| 07:54.34 | nsadmin | jelly-home, I wanted to start looking at what versions afuentes is playing with |
| 07:54.52 | nsadmin | but... |
| 07:55.00 | nsadmin | afuentes is not responding |
| 07:55.15 | jelly-home | oh well! |
| 07:55.22 | nsadmin | exactly |
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| 08:07.06 | afuentes | nsadmin, sorry i had to leave |
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| 08:07.27 | afuentes | omg, wheezy/sid |
| 08:07.42 | afuentes | did i installed from sid??? :S |
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| 08:09.55 | nsadmin | afuentes, maybe |
| 08:10.03 | nsadmin | not sure what you did :) |
| 08:10.22 | nsadmin | aptitude install pastebinit (as root) |
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| 08:10.37 | nsadmin | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit |
| 08:10.44 | nsadmin | show the url that comes out |
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| 08:11.54 | afuentes | http://paste.debian.net/126467/ |
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| 08:12.22 | afuentes | i did apt-cache policy virt-manager |pastebinit |
| 08:12.32 | nsadmin | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit |
| 08:12.53 | nsadmin | that's what I asked for; I'll look at the policy output in a bit |
| 08:13.00 | afuentes | http://paste.debian.net/126468/ |
| 08:13.04 | afuentes | :) |
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| 08:13.48 | nsadmin | take a look at line 25 |
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| 08:14.08 | nsadmin | it looks possible you upgraded to sid (or maybe wheezy) |
| 08:14.45 | afuentes | i upgraded to wheezy, yesterday |
| 08:15.03 | nsadmin | notice you also have a sid non-src source |
| 08:15.15 | nsadmin | again line 25 |
| 08:15.41 | afuentes | i know, i add it after updating to wheezy.. ill show u apt/preferences now |
| 08:15.50 | nsadmin | , versions libc6 |
| 08:16.18 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 08:16.31 | nsadmin | no judd |
| 08:16.32 | afuentes | http://paste.debian.net/126470/ |
| 08:16.35 | mjt | judd is apparently sleeping |
| 08:17.32 | jelly-home | pokesit |
| 08:18.29 | nsadmin | Jelly-home, no judd on freenode |
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| 08:18.34 | nsadmin | at the moment :) |
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| 08:19.11 | afuentes | nsadmin, apt-cache policy libvirt-bin |pastebinit -> http://paste.debian.net/126473/ i installed from wheezy :) |
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| 08:23.30 | jelly-home | blames freenode |
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| 08:28.31 | sd1 | hi |
| 08:28.45 | nsadmin | you might want to comment out line 25 and rerun aptitude update |
| 08:28.47 | nsadmin | for now |
| 08:29.18 | sd1 | how to install xfce 4.8 in debian squeeze correctly without causing package depedency errors? |
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| 08:33.07 | jelly-home | ,ping |
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| 08:33.49 | nettezzaumana | hello |
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| 08:36.26 | nettezzaumana | i'm unable to create a windex for this (in linux and in solaris): |
| 08:36.33 | nettezzaumana | http://starenka.net/nettezzaumana/nb_doc_nroffed.zip |
| 08:36.33 | nettezzaumana | http://starenka.net/nettezzaumana/netbackup_doc.zip |
| 08:36.41 | nettezzaumana | any help will be appreciated |
| 08:37.21 | joltcan | nettezzaumana: what is a windex? |
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| 08:38.20 | krion | yo |
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| 08:38.46 | nettezzaumana | joltcan: if you don't know it, you don't need it .. `man -s8 catman' |
| 08:39.50 | sd1 | joltcan: maybe an indexing software from microsoft which is only compatible with windows :P |
| 08:40.31 | sd1 | its cross plattform, runs from xp to windows 7 and use active X |
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| 08:45.07 | Ragnar | what are peth+ interfaces?! |
| 08:45.19 | Ragnar | xen related? |
| 08:46.11 | petemc | yes |
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| 08:48.13 | Karen_m | if I have 123.123.123.0/26 for example, do I skip adding .0 and .1 and start from 2, thru until the end-minus 1 ? |
| 08:48.23 | Karen_m | so start at 2..62 kind of thing? |
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| 08:50.10 | zorrolero | Karen_m: "aptitude update && aptitude install sipcalc" |
| 08:50.18 | Tiffy | .0 is the network id, .1 is typically taken by the router on that range. |
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| 08:50.31 | Tiffy | last ip is broadcast... so yes |
| 08:50.41 | zorrolero | Karen_m: and the "man sipcalc" or "sipcalc 123.123.123.0/26" |
| 08:51.05 | Karen_m | how does softlayer make .0 and .1 and .255 work as normal ips then? that's what is confusing me |
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| 08:51.21 | Tiffy | this has nothing to do with subnet calculation just fyi |
| 08:51.22 | Karen_m | thanks for the sipcalc! |
| 08:51.28 | Karen_m | tiffy, true |
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| 08:54.33 | joltcan | Ragnar: yes, that is the physical ethernet |
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| 08:55.02 | Ragnar | physical ethernet for xen? |
| 08:55.05 | Ragnar | I am confused |
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| 08:55.41 | joltcan | Ragnar: Yes, If you have a ethernet card called eth0, that will be renamed to peth0, and eth0 will be virtual for you virtual hosts |
| 08:56.05 | joltcan | Ragnar: so that you can filter traffic coming into the physical NIC as well as the virtual NIC |
| 08:56.20 | Ragnar | ah |
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| 08:56.50 | nettezzaumana | no-one knows ? |
| 08:58.30 | Karen_m | i setup ip addr 123.123.123.110/29 dev eth0, how do I see what it thinks the broadcast and the gateway is? ifconfig -a does not show it. The ip pings and responds |
| 08:58.46 | Karen_m | ip addr, does not show the newly added ip's broadcast either |
| 08:58.47 | pfred1 | netstat -nr |
| 08:58.58 | Ragnar | joltcan: does it make sense that the peth interface doesnt have an ip address? |
| 08:59.50 | Karen_m | pfred1, both of the ips are using .. 0.0.0.0 and then 0.0.0.0 goes to another ip range, maybe I should put the broadcast and gateway in |
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| 08:59.58 | Karen_m | the good thing is, it works currently but i don't want the isp upset :) |
| 09:01.07 | pfred1 | Karen_m route add default gw 192.168.1.1 eth1 |
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| 09:01.37 | nettezzaumana | ip r r default via $addr |
| 09:01.49 | nettezzaumana | pfred1: switch to using ip |
| 09:02.05 | nettezzaumana | `route' is obsolete and molestatory |
| 09:02.06 | pfred1 | nettezzaumana no thank you |
| 09:02.45 | nettezzaumana | pfred1: your fight, your bad habits, your consequences |
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| 09:05.58 | sd1 | i added the wheezy repo to mz sources.list on a squeeze box |
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| 09:06.17 | sd1 | how to show info to a package now? |
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| 09:06.37 | themill | sd1: this is rarely a good thing to have done. What are you trying to do? |
| 09:06.45 | sd1 | aptitude -t wheezy show xfce4 |
| 09:07.08 | sd1 | doesnt work, it still shows the squeeze version |
| 09:07.16 | Karen_m | nettezzaumana, when you do; ip addr add <ip>/29 brd <addy> dev eth0, do you need to pass the default gateway or does it calculate it automatically from the /29? |
| 09:07.18 | sd1 | themill: install xfce4.8 on squeeze |
| 09:07.31 | joltcan | Ragnar: Yes, since your ethX would have the IP. pethX would only be used for bridging or filtering |
| 09:07.44 | nevyn | Karen_m: so it's broadcast is infered from the /29 |
| 09:07.51 | nevyn | Karen_m: it won't have a gateway |
| 09:07.59 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: default gateway could not be guessed |
| 09:08.00 | nettezzaumana | :) |
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| 09:08.31 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: you have to specify UG .. |
| 09:08.35 | Karen_m | nevyn, the weird thing is .. mtr --address 123.123.123.123 otherbox.com <-- routes thru the wrong gateway it seems. How can I add the proper gateway on the ip addr line? |
| 09:08.50 | nettezzaumana | ip r r default via $foo |
| 09:09.05 | nettezzaumana | ip route replace default via $address |
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| 09:10.48 | themill | sd1: I can't see that working out well. Mixing releases like that is going to lead to horrendous pain; all of xfce is unlikely to be a fun job to backport. If you *really* want xfce 4.8 and you are prepared to accept that your box will be more of a work in progress than something you can just use, then you could upgrade to testing (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
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| 09:14.39 | Karen_m | nettezzaumana, i don't want to change the default route, i want the newly inserted ips to route to their own gateway ip based off the /29 |
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| 09:15.39 | wschlich | hi! |
| 09:15.45 | nettezzaumana | 10:34 < Karen_m> nettezzaumana, when you do; ip addr add <ip>/29 brd <addy> dev eth0, do you need to pass the default gateway or does it calculate it automatically from the /29? |
| 09:16.02 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: ^^ then please try to be more clear |
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| 09:16.51 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: i don't understand what's your problem at the moment |
| 09:16.54 | nevyn | so ip route add 123.123.0.0/16 via <gatewaytootherbox> |
| 09:16.57 | wschlich | I have a problem with the debian mirror: dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MD5SUMS does not include initrd.gz and vmlinuz present in dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/, only xm-debian.cfg -- thus debmirror fails to mirror initrd.gz and vmlinuz, just mirrors xm-debian.cfg :( |
| 09:17.03 | nevyn | or whatever the network is that otherbox is on |
| 09:17.21 | wschlich | what's the reason for this? ubuntu has the same problem with their MD5SUMS |
| 09:17.21 | Karen_m | i currently have .. 41.1.1.2 working, with a default gateway. I am adding .. 123.123.123.123/29 lets say. The 123.123.123.123 outgoing traceroute ends up going to 41.1.1.1 kinda thing, instead of staying within the same ip range |
| 09:17.49 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: pastebin `ip a; ip r' |
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| 09:17.53 | Karen_m | nevyn, i will try that |
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| 09:19.00 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: alias susepaste='curl -v -F code="<-" -F submit=submit -F lang=text http://susepaste.org 2>&1 | sed -n "s|<\ Location:\ ||p"' |
| 09:19.13 | nevyn | Karen_m: so if otherbox isn't on the same segment/network as thisbox. |
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| 09:20.02 | nevyn | Karen_m: but ip addr add 123.123.123.123/29 dev eth0 adds a 123.123.123.123 as a local address. |
| 09:20.14 | nevyn | not a route |
| 09:20.32 | nevyn | so if otherbox is 123.123.123.124 and on the same segment that'll work |
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| 09:21.13 | fwb_ | My idea outline: 1. Make a .deb that unpacks file(s) to a temporary directory. (I know how to do this) 2. use a postinst script to find the MyApp.app directory, re-name the originals of the files to be copied (For backup purposes), and then copy the files from the "tmp" folder, to the MyApp.app folder. (Not sure if this is possible, or how to do it) |
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| 09:21.34 | fwb_ | can anyone assist |
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| 09:22.20 | Karen_m | is the defaultgateway always 1 lower than the usable range? |
| 09:22.27 | nevyn | no |
| 09:22.32 | Karen_m | for example, sipcalc 123.123.123.123/29 .. how do you know default gateway? |
| 09:22.47 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: by asking local netadmin |
| 09:23.25 | nevyn | Karen_m: it could be any ip in the network. |
| 09:23.26 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: last time: default gw could be anything from range and couldn't be guessed |
| 09:23.32 | fwb_ | i assum i need to use postinst and preinst scripts |
| 09:24.16 | Karen_m | lol, they say defaultgateway is the ip of the box already |
| 09:24.25 | Karen_m | so i'm just going to leave it as is, the ips that i added work |
| 09:24.27 | Karen_m | :) |
| 09:24.31 | Karen_m | thank you for your help and teaching |
| 09:24.33 | Karen_m | fellas |
| 09:24.52 | Karen_m | goes back to listening to justin bieber |
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| 09:26.22 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: oh god .. justin bieber should be prohibited |
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| 09:28.04 | Karen_m | his movie is amazing |
| 09:28.06 | Karen_m | if you have not seen it |
| 09:28.25 | fwb_ | My idea outline: 1. Make a .deb that unpacks file(s) to a temporary directory. (I know how to do this) 2. use a postinst script to find the MyApp.app directory, re-name the originals of the files to be copied (For backup purposes), and then copy the files from the "tmp" folder, to the MyApp.app folder. (Not sure if this is possible, or how to do it) |
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| 09:29.23 | nettezzaumana | Karen_m: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_AhYCjru0o << this movie is amazing and song is awesome :P |
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| 09:30.13 | arafangion | considers asking ops to try and somehow bring this conversation to and end so that we might be on-topic again. NOrmally he wouldn't bother, but... Justin Bieber? |
| 09:30.19 | Karen_m | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:32.43 | Roland- | !gnome3 |
| 09:32.43 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
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| 09:33.08 | arafangion | Is gnome still slow as <censored>? |
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| 09:33.38 | Roland- | slow on slow computers I guess |
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| 09:34.05 | arafangion | I'm buying a new Atom-based system. Wondering what environment to put onto it. |
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| 09:34.37 | nettezzaumana | arafangion: definitelly not poor un-optimized debian :P |
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| 09:34.49 | nettezzaumana | good (but depends) on server |
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| 09:35.23 | arafangion | nettezzaumana: Heh. :) This one will be a D525, with 4GB RAM and an SSD, so I'm planning on putting debian 6.0 amd64 on it. |
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| 09:35.49 | nettezzaumana | Jippi: fix your bloody irc client |
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| 09:36.09 | arafangion | I always wondered what 'Excess Flood' meant. |
| 09:36.10 | Roland- | auch wheezy in 2013 |
| 09:36.15 | nettezzaumana | any +o to end it up ? |
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| 09:45.48 | Oana- | Who want to talk with a beauty girl msg me |
| 09:46.21 | arafangion | Nice bot. |
| 09:46.25 | kuznetzvo | debian 6 amd64 runs great on my netbook. atom450 1gb ram. |
| 09:46.49 | kuznetzvo | runs hell of a lot better than the bloody 7 windows starter that came with it |
| 09:47.30 | arafangion | Yeah, I'm getting this one without an OS. |
| 09:47.42 | arafangion | Not going to even bother getting windows. |
| 09:48.00 | kuznetzvo | my grandma bought this one.. used it for about 4 months before she got tired of it |
| 09:48.14 | kuznetzvo | i told her to spend more than 200 USD next time she wants a usable machine for windows |
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| 09:48.53 | tsccof | i'm getting my next box without win too |
| 09:48.59 | tsccof | i'm building my next box, actually |
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| 09:49.22 | kuznetzvo | well due to a series of errors on behalf of american express, i found myself with a 5500k spending limit |
| 09:49.25 | jokar | all: |
| 09:49.28 | jokar | hi |
| 09:49.45 | jokar | in fstab file for auto mount can i define a labael for mount? |
| 09:49.52 | jokar | label8 |
| 09:49.54 | kuznetzvo | so, since i'm unemployed and have been using a pc i built back in 2003.. the only sensible thing to do was new build |
| 09:50.14 | kuznetzvo | shit i just read that the other night but can't remember |
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| 09:50.33 | jokar | for example a partition mounted with specify label |
| 09:50.39 | kuznetzvo | something about renaming the lvm then renaming the fstab BEFORE you reboot (otherwise it gets amusing) |
| 09:50.44 | arafangion | kuznetzvo: What's so bad about a 5500k spending limit? |
| 09:51.04 | jokar | wols: |
| 09:51.20 | kuznetzvo | ara: given that i've been out of work 2.5 years and that i've had miserable credit for the past 2 years, it would have been prudent of them to review my credit history prior to allowing me to activate the card. |
| 09:51.59 | arafangion | kuznetzvo: Fair enough. |
| 09:52.21 | kuznetzvo | so, i have done the great american thing -- charge it over the limit with no intent to pay |
| 09:52.24 | arafangion | kuznetzvo: But you should be able to get them to lower the limit. |
| 09:52.26 | nevyn | 5500k limit that's 5.5mil? |
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| 09:52.38 | kuznetzvo | errm 5500k/1000 |
| 09:52.55 | nevyn | 5.5k? |
| 09:52.58 | kuznetzvo | aye |
| 09:53.08 | nevyn | wishes he had a 5.5k creditcard. |
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| 09:53.30 | nevyn | rather than 3 cards with a total of 50k or so |
| 09:54.01 | arafangion | YOu can get a card with 50k!? |
| 09:54.03 | kuznetzvo | i got it for my business back when i was working on helpdesk and had time to work on the side. when i got promoted at my day job, i no longer had time to do my business, so i spent my spare time training for security |
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| 09:55.07 | kuznetzvo | jokar: this appears relevant to what you asked http://debian-resources.org/node/9/ |
| 09:55.09 | Gargantua | Hi, anyone know a good offline english dictionary? preferably cli. |
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| 09:56.15 | jokar | kuznetzvo: can change a partition label in fstab? |
| 09:57.00 | jokar | when my linux booted,my partition label changed |
| 09:57.23 | jokar | kuznetzvo:? |
| 09:57.46 | kuznetzvo | are you using any lvm setup? |
| 09:57.55 | jokar | nah |
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| 10:00.18 | kuznetzvo | i think it's in /dev/disk/ |
| 10:00.49 | jokar | can i change it? |
| 10:00.54 | jokar | is it permanet/ |
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| 10:01.00 | kuznetzvo | you can change it but there's a process to do |
| 10:01.07 | kuznetzvo | otherwise you will be booting rescue mode to fix it |
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| 10:03.45 | kuznetzvo | the debian wiki says you should boot to livd cd to e2label your /dev/sdwhatever newLabel |
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| 10:05.27 | kuznetzvo | modify fstab appropriately to reflect new label, modify kernel command line ( or i think grub-update will do it for you) for new location of root |
| 10:05.43 | kuznetzvo | if i interpret correctly.. at least, that's what we did with this other guy renaming lvms |
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| 10:08.29 | kuznetzvo | it's kinda goofy beceause the wiki doesn't mention the grub-update directly.. it just talks about the issue of fixing the kernel command line for boot to new root label and initramfs |
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| 10:11.15 | philipballew | whats better wicd or network manager? |
| 10:12.07 | kuznetzvo | the best one is whichever you know best. |
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| 10:13.49 | philipballew | well i have run network manager my whole linux career and i installed wicd and it seems to not be working. but i hear its simpler |
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| 10:13.59 | philipballew | ^ kuznetzvo |
| 10:14.13 | jaakkos | philipballew: did you uninstall network-manager first? |
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| 10:15.09 | philipballew | i never had it. i did a cli ppc install and ran sudo apt-get install lxde |
| 10:15.24 | philipballew | then i installed wicd and it seems to suck |
| 10:15.43 | jaakkos | did you see that the interface is set up properly in wicd config |
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| 10:16.01 | jaakkos | in wicd-curses, hit 'P' |
| 10:16.09 | jaakkos | what seems to be the problem? |
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| 10:16.31 | kuznetzvo | it does seem simpler if you don't need pppoe.. these days most don't |
| 10:16.31 | philipballew | i did. i entered the password and tried every single single type of encryption and all say bad password |
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| 10:16.37 | philipballew | but i know its right |
| 10:16.46 | philipballew | i checked it on this laptop here |
| 10:17.12 | philipballew | so i then tried to uninstall it. but its still there |
| 10:17.19 | philipballew | and i installed network manager |
| 10:17.29 | philipballew | hope the 2 dont fight with each other |
| 10:17.35 | jaakkos | they do |
| 10:17.40 | philipballew | dnaget! |
| 10:17.43 | kuznetzvo | yeah i think i remember bad things |
| 10:18.05 | jaakkos | i guess it's ok if you removed it with apt-get and then just kill the processes |
| 10:18.18 | philipballew | whats the best one to remove then? |
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| 10:18.28 | philipballew | would nm be smarter or wicd |
| 10:18.29 | kuznetzvo | flip a coin? |
| 10:18.29 | jaakkos | anyway, i have much better experiences with wicd compared to network-manager |
| 10:18.41 | jaakkos | especially with wireless. that's the reason i changed. |
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| 10:18.54 | philipballew | if you can help me with it ill go for it |
| 10:19.08 | philipballew | or give me some pointers |
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| 10:19.54 | jaakkos | what interface are you using to wicd? the gtk one, or curses? so you already see the wireless station but your password isn't accepted? |
| 10:20.17 | philipballew | im using the gui version and its not accepting my password |
| 10:20.31 | philipballew | i tried on both my wifi routers |
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| 10:22.07 | jaakkos | using wpa? are you certain you tried both preshared key and passphrase mode? |
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| 10:22.18 | philipballew | positive |
| 10:22.23 | philipballew | ever did wep for kicks |
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| 10:22.49 | philipballew | i wasnt aple to see my wifi networks. till i ran ifconfig eth1 up |
| 10:22.55 | philipballew | *able |
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| 10:24.36 | jaakkos | philipballew: your wifi interface is called eth1? |
| 10:25.05 | philipballew | yeah. its odd |
| 10:25.08 | berarma | philipballew: have you read the factoids? they point to wiki pages |
| 10:25.09 | philipballew | its a ibook |
| 10:25.34 | jaakkos | philipballew: wicd controls eth0 as ethernet and wlan0 as wireless by default. |
| 10:25.52 | philipballew | i changer the wifi to eth1 in the options |
| 10:25.54 | jaakkos | at least in wicd-curses interfaces this is the first thing displayed in preferences |
| 10:26.00 | philipballew | *changed |
| 10:26.57 | philipballew | wicd says both my networks are using wep, but there both wpa |
| 10:27.28 | jaakkos | i wonder if there is actually a problem with your wireless driver. |
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| 10:28.16 | philipballew | i could plug in a usb wifi adapter and see |
| 10:28.41 | philipballew | though its new and i know 2.6.32 might not support it |
| 10:29.07 | philipballew | the laptop is years old. it should work |
| 10:29.35 | philipballew | ive got it to connect before when i was using a cli debian system |
| 10:29.47 | philipballew | !wifi |
| 10:29.48 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 10:30.42 | philipballew | can change his router to wep to troubleshoot the issue? |
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| 10:34.56 | afuentes | i tried to install virt-manager and get this error http://paste.debian.net/126493/ can somebody help me? |
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| 10:39.55 | philipballew | how would i purge wicd and try network manager? |
| 10:40.29 | streuner | Do you use GNOME? |
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| 10:41.02 | philipballew | nope. lxde |
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| 10:45.49 | streuner | philipballew: so just install network manager and remove the package for wicd, but i have no idea if it work well with lxde |
| 10:46.27 | streuner | philipballew: just read http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse - it might help |
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| 10:47.08 | philipballew | alright. ill play around with this |
| 10:49.26 | rozie | network manager works well with lxde |
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| 10:49.56 | rozie | at least haven't seen issues using it with USB gsm modem |
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| 10:50.41 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:51.13 | streuner | philipballew: allright, you heard what rozie told us, just follow the steps mentioned in the URL above, and good luck. |
| 10:51.29 | philipballew | thanks! should be fun |
| 10:51.36 | philipballew | peace out! |
| 10:52.07 | linis | i'm trying to scp from one of my linode to another using private ip, however this happens http://paste.pocoo.org/show/459831/ |
| 10:53.21 | streuner | so use scp |
| 10:53.27 | streuner | and not "cp" |
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| 10:56.12 | linis | streuner: i did use scp, missed that in the paste |
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| 11:21.18 | streuner | linis: try "scp -P 192.168.158.196:/backup/data/* /home/appcodedata/ |
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| 11:56.37 | jglauche | Hi, I've got a debian squeeze system on which I cannot delete a file on an ext3 file system as root. I can edit it, but mv & rm does not work "rm: cannot remove `about.html': Permission denied" |
| 11:56.41 | jglauche | lsattr shows ------------------- about.html |
| 11:56.56 | jglauche | and I ran fsck & problem persists |
| 11:56.58 | jglauche | any hints? |
| 11:58.26 | jglauche | oh and, chmod & chown on the file does work, on the directory that the file is in, not. |
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| 12:05.19 | poisonbit | jglauche, which mode is the parent? if you can't write to parent, you can't delete files into |
| 12:05.43 | jglauche | parent is drwxr-xr-x |
| 12:06.02 | poisonbit | weird |
| 12:06.11 | poisonbit | (it should work) |
| 12:06.24 | poisonbit | have you try to remove it by its inode number ? |
| 12:06.29 | jglauche | nope |
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| 12:08.45 | poisonbit | find /dir -inum $(stat --printf '%i' filename) -exec rm -i {} \; |
| 12:08.58 | poisonbit | if its name has some weird encoding issue may work |
| 12:10.41 | jglauche | poisonbit, I tried it like that: |
| 12:10.41 | jglauche | find . -inum 35881203 -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 12:10.49 | jglauche | -> permission denied |
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| 12:12.06 | poisonbit | what about "oh and, chmod & chown on the file does work, on the directory that the file is in, not." ? |
| 12:12.11 | themill | acls? "getfacl about.html ." |
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| 12:12.30 | themill | jglauche: are you the owner of the file and the directory it is in? |
| 12:12.43 | poisonbit | how root can not chown something ? |
| 12:12.48 | jglauche | I'm root |
| 12:13.12 | jglauche | I set about.html to root:root . no change . I can't set the directory below |
| 12:13.13 | colo-work | what fs type are we talking about? |
| 12:13.16 | jglauche | ext3 |
| 12:13.23 | colo-work | is it a ro bind mount, perchance? |
| 12:13.37 | jglauche | /dev/md0 on /media/storage type ext3 (rw,noatime) |
| 12:13.39 | jglauche | no. |
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| 12:18.00 | jglauche | runs fsck a second time |
| 12:18.40 | babilen | jglauche: please see what themill said and paste the output |
| 12:18.55 | themill | jglauche: it's the modes/attributes/acls of the directory that you need to double check, not the file itself. |
| 12:19.43 | jglauche | drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 Dec 23 2009 popups |
| 12:19.49 | themill | babilen: assuming that's the mount line above, it's not mounted with "acl" so unlikely to be an issue. |
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| 12:22.11 | babilen | themill: right m( |
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| 12:23.08 | themill | jglauche: "lsattr popups" ? |
| 12:23.26 | jglauche | currently fsck'ing |
| 12:23.37 | jglauche | lets see if I have it in my log |
| 12:24.36 | jglauche | I believe it showed the file inside that directory |
| 12:25.08 | jglauche | yes |
| 12:25.08 | jglauche | ------------------- popups/about.html |
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| 12:26.25 | themill | scratches his head |
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| 12:28.31 | petemc | see if strace sheds any light on it |
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| 12:29.47 | jglauche | petemc, http://pastebin.com/xx9WY6d8 |
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| 12:35.13 | sbarcteam | hi. |
| 12:35.19 | sbarcteam | I've got an interesting problem. |
| 12:35.26 | sbarcteam | (not so much but still) |
| 12:35.35 | sbarcteam | I am on an already installed system. |
| 12:35.50 | sbarcteam | it has unallocated 1/2 TB in the hard disk. |
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| 12:36.26 | sbarcteam | it has sda1, 2, 3 (NTFS), then the hole, and then extended partition sda4, of 200 GB. |
| 12:36.32 | sbarcteam | I don't know who did this. |
| 12:36.53 | sbarcteam | but I'd like to "shift" extended partition to the unallocated space. |
| 12:36.56 | babilen | !enter |
| 12:36.57 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 12:37.45 | sbarcteam | is it possible without the full disk backup ? (I mean all the primary partitions are created. no space for another one...) |
| 12:38.15 | petemc | jglauche: that isnt very enlightening |
| 12:38.45 | sbarcteam | or in other words: is it possible to move/resize extended partitions with all their contents ? |
| 12:38.49 | petemc | sbarcteam: if the data is important than trying any low level disk stuff without backup isnt wise, imho |
| 12:39.23 | petemc | sbarcteam: if the ntfs partitions are vista or win7 i would try rejigging the disk from there |
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| 12:39.45 | sbarcteam | petemc, ok... good start. |
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| 12:40.20 | jglauche | I know :( |
| 12:41.13 | sbarcteam | petemc, still the problem is not really the size. |
| 12:41.23 | sbarcteam | it's a matter of the limitation of 4 primary partitions. |
| 12:42.06 | sbarcteam | so, after your start what would be your next step ? I don't even want to touch windows partitions. |
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| 12:42.29 | sbarcteam | babilen, you've got interesting nick |
| 12:43.23 | sbarcteam | read too many Pelevin's books ? |
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| 12:50.04 | babilen | sbarcteam: wow -- indeed, pelevin :) |
| 12:50.34 | petemc | sees babilen on reddit occasionally |
| 12:50.44 | claw | how to add a in a script, that everybody can read in a save way? |
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| 12:51.29 | abrotman_ | ugh ... |
| 12:51.47 | claw | sry once again |
| 12:51.55 | claw | how to add a password in a script, that everybody can read in a save way? |
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| 12:52.14 | claw | it should be crypted anyway |
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| 12:53.36 | W00d5t0ck | Hello |
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| 12:56.20 | W00d5t0ck | is there a way to run a custom command after every apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:59.00 | abrotman_ | such as? |
| 13:00.28 | W00d5t0ck | I have a script which runs every morning, running apt-get update, then sending available updates to our monitoring system |
| 13:00.46 | abrotman_ | a script you wrote? |
| 13:00.48 | W00d5t0ck | I want to run this script when I run apt-get upgrade, so I don't have to run it manually, or wait until next morning |
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| 13:02.41 | claw | W00d5t0ck, so why dont you run that script ? |
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| 13:03.03 | claw | place it in /bin/ |
| 13:03.07 | claw | chmod +x |
| 13:03.22 | abrotman_ | that's not what he's asking |
| 13:03.23 | claw | and just type script.sh into shell |
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| 13:03.46 | W00d5t0ck | claw, the script now lives in /usr/local/bin, and is run by cron every morning, that's not a problem actually |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman_ | W00d5t0ck: how are you running your update;upgrade? |
| 13:04.20 | W00d5t0ck | I want apt to run the script after an upgrade/dist-upgrade, so the monitoring knows instantly that the packages were upgraded |
| 13:04.25 | themill | W00d5t0ck: you want the monitoring thingy to see that you have done the upgrade and to stop complaining that it's outstanding? |
| 13:04.30 | W00d5t0ck | abrotman, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:04.35 | themill | run it from cron more often? |
| 13:04.39 | themill | hides |
| 13:04.50 | abrotman_ | W00d5t0ck: that won't force upgrades .. try again |
| 13:05.29 | W00d5t0ck | abrotman, apt-get dist-upgrade you mean? |
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| 13:06.25 | themill | W00d5t0ck: alias update="apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; /usr/local/bin/notifymonitoringthingy" |
| 13:06.38 | abrotman_ | you still hvae to provide input ... |
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| 13:07.18 | themill | abrotman_: I don't think that's the problem that W00d5t0ck is trying to solve. |
| 13:07.26 | W00d5t0ck | abrotman, I always do the upgrades manually, so I apt-get will have its input from me |
| 13:07.28 | abrotman_ | i asked him how he was automating upgrades ... |
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| 13:07.38 | W00d5t0ck | abrotman_, I don't need to automate them |
| 13:07.42 | abrotman_ | so why not use cron-apt? |
| 13:08.02 | W00d5t0ck | abrotman_, I need apt-get to run a script when the manual apt-get upgrade is finished, so monitoring gets notified |
| 13:08.04 | claw | W00d5t0ck, do the alias like themill said |
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| 13:08.55 | themill | W00d5t0ck: alternatively, you can do a 'DPkg::Post-Invoke {"command";}', but that runs at the end of the dpkg run not at the end of the apt run so it's not quite what you want. |
| 13:09.09 | themill | or just run your monitoring script from cron more often. |
| 13:09.32 | W00d5t0ck | as I see, apt-get update has its hooks configurable with APT::Update::(Pre|Post)-Invoke, I wonder why doesn't upgrade/dist-upgrade has such a thing... |
| 13:09.33 | abrotman_ | but that would run every time he installs or removes with dpkg |
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| 13:10.24 | themill | abrotman_: yes, That's what I said. That also wouldn't be a problem for the monitoring tool, except perhaps being a waste of time for the person who invoked it. |
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| 13:10.48 | themill | W00d5t0ck: no idea. report a wishlist bug with reportbug if there's not already one there for that feature. |
| 13:10.58 | W00d5t0ck | also I don't know if aptitude will be able to check for updateable packages during a running apt session... |
| 13:11.29 | abrotman_ | W00d5t0ck: dpkg -l apt .. which versoin is it? |
| 13:11.31 | themill | "aptitude search ~U" can be run at any time, the apt-get update is more of an issue |
| 13:11.51 | W00d5t0ck | 0.8.10.3+squeeze1 |
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| 13:15.38 | hugoroyd | hello everyone |
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| 13:15.52 | hugoroyd | i am trying to install debian squeeze, but i failed to install GRUB |
| 13:16.22 | hugoroyd | so I was left with a debian installation which went fine, but unable to boot it (and i had no way to have a grub live disc at hand to install it manually) |
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| 13:16.50 | abrotman_ | the install CD can be used in rescue mode |
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| 13:17.14 | hugoroyd | here's teh screenshot : http://twitpic.com/672ut2 btw i tried to install grub on the MBR and other partitions |
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| 13:17.30 | hugoroyd | now, my case is a bit special, and that might not be debian's fault at all |
| 13:17.44 | hugoroyd | because the version i was trying to install is a HP DebianCOE version (I work at HP) |
| 13:17.51 | daemonkeeper | hugoroyd: You don't try to install Debian kFreeBSD, don't you? |
| 13:18.03 | hugoroyd | but from what I can tell, it looked pretty much like a 100% standaerd debian installer |
| 13:18.18 | hugoroyd | daemonkeeper: i hope not :) it's a linux kerne |
| 13:18.20 | hugoroyd | l |
| 13:19.34 | daemonkeeper | hugoroyd: Open the terminal and tell us about the error message. |
| 13:19.39 | hugoroyd | to give you more details: right now i'm running a windows7 COE, and I tried both installing with a dual boot or with no dual boot. Also, the debian partitions were always LVM encrypted |
| 13:20.02 | hugoroyd | i cannot do that now, because i renstalled windows so that i can get some work done today |
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| 13:20.24 | hugoroyd | but during the installation, all i had acess to was a busy box |
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| 13:20.46 | hugoroyd | i tried grub-install /.... there but it didn't work of cuorse |
| 13:20.57 | sweb | is debian a lighter version for downloadthat have one desktop |
| 13:21.17 | sweb | about one cd or dvd |
| 13:21.20 | sweb | not 8 dvd |
| 13:21.33 | daemonkeeper | you can download the netinst image which is about 150M |
| 13:21.40 | hugoroyd | btw another screenshot vhttp://twitpic.com/67em27 |
| 13:21.48 | daemonkeeper | Otherwise the first CD/DVD is enough to install Debian |
| 13:21.54 | hugoroyd | no it's a net install |
| 13:22.12 | hugoroyd | the iso was built by HP LinuxCOE design process |
| 13:22.27 | daemonkeeper | This was addressed at sweb |
| 13:22.32 | hugoroyd | (as I said, this might not be debian's fault at all, but i just wanted to share my experience here, in case there is something wrong going on) |
| 13:22.51 | hugoroyd | oops sorry :) |
| 13:23.02 | daemonkeeper | hugoroyd: Have a look to the log / installer output when you try again. |
| 13:23.15 | daemonkeeper | Without its nothing but guessing what went wrong for you |
| 13:23.23 | hugoroyd | how can i do that? (usually debian installation goes so fine idk where to look ahahaà |
| 13:23.48 | daemonkeeper | All helpful outputs are on tty 2 / 3 / 4 |
| 13:24.41 | hugoroyd | there was nothing on tty 2 except a busybox |
| 13:24.45 | hugoroyd | i have not tried 3 or 4 though |
| 13:24.46 | W00d5t0ck | I created a new wishlist bug for this. Until it is processed, I hope I won't forget to run my script manually :) |
| 13:24.49 | W00d5t0ck | thank you anyways |
| 13:24.49 | W00d5t0ck | bye |
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| 13:25.13 | daemonkeeper | Fun comes after, hugoroyd :) |
| 13:25.30 | hugoroyd | :) |
| 13:26.10 | hugoroyd | daemonkeeper: i was wondering about something |
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| 13:26.30 | hugoroyd | what if i just create a grub live disk now and try to install it in the MBR, just with windows |
| 13:26.46 | hugoroyd | if it works, then I guess it will be ok afterwards, no? |
| 13:27.38 | hugoroyd | bbl |
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| 13:27.48 | hugoroyd | brb |
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| 13:33.49 | poisonbit | it's so hard to render fonts? too many sec. issues |
| 13:34.05 | poisonbit | talks from ignorance |
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| 13:40.43 | poisonbit | how could I DROP packets with twits that contains acronyms to my boss IP ? |
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| 13:41.39 | wols | what are "twits that contain acronyms"? |
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| 13:41.51 | abrotman_ | wols: tweets i assume |
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| 13:42.10 | poisonbit | well that, twitter |
| 13:42.35 | wols | abrotman_: sounds more like users of it (imnsho of course) |
| 13:42.57 | wols | it uses http as a protocol, right? maybe use a proxy |
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| 13:44.05 | jglauche | fsck complete, no errors. hmpf. |
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| 13:44.53 | poisonbit | bind + dans guardian... iptables + l7... send a ninja to bass desktop... |
| 13:44.59 | poisonbit | boss |
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| 13:47.15 | scoobertron | Anyone using dlna/upnp services? I am using minidlna to stream music from my server to my hifi, but would like to control it from my desktop. The only package I have found is leiads, which is kinda basic. Are there any other options? |
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| 13:49.03 | poisonbit | I'm happy with audacious, but I live in a little house |
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| 14:00.12 | miha | i installed phpyadmin ... how can i disable it for certain virtualhosts? :) |
| 14:00.17 | scoobertron | poisonbit: does audacious work with dlna? |
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| 14:01.56 | poisonbit | scoobertron, it seems that it doesn't |
| 14:02.33 | poisonbit | miha, you can use a <location> directive, or disable the debconf auto-config, and use symlinks where you need it |
| 14:02.48 | scoobertron | poisonbit: shame. it seems there are lots of options for servers, but very few for actually controlling the setup. |
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| 14:03.26 | poisonbit | I'm sorry not being helpful scoobertron I've never used that |
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| 14:03.58 | dzegcifuentes | BUEN DIA!! alguien me puede ayudar no puedo montar ninguna flas memory dice que no estoy autorizado despues de actualizar (upgrad / dist-upgrade) |
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| 14:04.03 | daemonkeeper | !es |
| 14:04.03 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 14:04.52 | poisonbit | miha, dpkg-reconfigura -plow phpmyadmin, choose none httpd, ln -s /usr/share/phpmyadmin /var/www/that_vhost/public_html/phpmyadmin |
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| 14:04.57 | poisonbit | reconfigure* |
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| 14:06.09 | masterkorp | hello, here can i check doc about the postgresql packaging ? |
| 14:06.29 | masterkorp | like the alterations you've made from the standard, etc |
| 14:06.47 | miha | poisonbit: i pust Location inside Directory? |
| 14:07.20 | poisonbit | masterkorp, you can inspect the source package and possible patches, make options, etc if you have deb-src lines on sources.list |
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| 14:08.10 | masterkorp | poisonbit: yeah, but no doc on /usr/share/doc ? |
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| 14:08.17 | masterkorp | and wiki ? |
| 14:08.23 | masterkorp | i've been googling |
| 14:08.29 | poisonbit | miha, use a Directory directive if you like more |
| 14:08.50 | poisonbit | masterkorp, I see a postgresql-doc package maybe... no idea |
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| 14:09.26 | miha | poisonbit: hmm |
| 14:09.35 | masterkorp | yeah, i am looking on that, looks the like the reference manual only, thanks for time man |
| 14:09.38 | masterkorp | poisonbit: ^ |
| 14:09.40 | miha | poisonbit: i keep getting Action 'configtest' failed. |
| 14:09.40 | miha | The Apache error log may have more information. failed! |
| 14:10.25 | masterkorp | what's the libbreoffice package name ? |
| 14:11.06 | themill | masterkorp: "libreoffice" in squeeze-backports, wheezy or sid. |
| 14:11.10 | poisonbit | ,versions libreoffice |
| 14:11.10 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:3.3.3-4+b1; wheezy: 1:3.3.3-4+b1; experimental: 1:3.4.2-1 |
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| 14:11.47 | poisonbit | miha, you may need AllowOverride All where you do want to run phpmyadmin |
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| 14:12.00 | masterkorp | themill: lol, libreoofice is nolt the official repos yet ? |
| 14:12.10 | themill | eh? |
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| 14:12.29 | masterkorp | *not |
| 14:12.48 | themill | how exactly do you draw that conclusion given the information you were just given? |
| 14:12.58 | miha | poisonbit: hmmm well i thought i could just disable it for virtualhost.. is that possible at all? :) |
| 14:13.00 | poisonbit | masterkorp, 25 January 2011 initial release of libreoffice... do you expect it on stable ? |
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| 14:13.27 | plorky | hey guys, what does it mean when apt-get upgrade says the following packages have been kept back |
| 14:13.36 | plorky | not really informative |
| 14:13.43 | poisonbit | miha, if nothing other works always you can use modrewrite, or any other directive to avoid access |
| 14:13.44 | themill | !kept back |
| 14:13.45 | dpkg | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 14:14.04 | plorky | thanks |
| 14:14.27 | miha | poisonbit: hmmm but doesnt system /phpmyadmin alias come first, before my rewrite? |
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| 14:15.15 | poisonbit | miha, don't know... i always choose "none" on phpmyadmin debconf, and then I just symlink and be sure about allow override where it is |
| 14:15.32 | plorky | hmm apt-get full-upgrade not valid |
| 14:15.49 | plorky | is aptitude the default now? |
| 14:15.55 | masterkorp | poisonbit: yeah i would expect since is such a requested package |
| 14:16.27 | poisonbit | squeeze got openoffice at release time |
| 14:16.44 | poisonbit | squeeze+1 can be other history |
| 14:17.24 | masterkorp | open bravo is a mess to set up |
| 14:18.07 | poisonbit | man unmess |
| 14:18.11 | poisonbit | ;P |
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| 14:18.47 | poisonbit | unravel |
| 14:18.47 | masterkorp | poisonbit: making a POS from scarth in one day |
| 14:18.53 | masterkorp | using lxde |
| 14:19.10 | poisonbit | point of sale ? |
| 14:19.27 | plorky | from scarth |
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| 14:20.07 | masterkorp | plorky: i am tired, gimme a discount :p |
| 14:20.25 | plorky | no discounts! |
| 14:20.28 | masterkorp | poisonbit: yeah, for a bar, with backup, nagios, etc etc |
| 14:21.36 | poisonbit | have fun |
| 14:22.00 | masterkorp | what's the name of the apacahe-ant package ? |
| 14:22.05 | masterkorp | ant-contrib ? |
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| 14:22.25 | poisonbit | my last project before holidays was with ubuntu server, I still have nightmares |
| 14:22.32 | plorky | poisonbit: HAHAHAHA |
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| 14:22.59 | masterkorp | poisonbit: i like arch, debia or openbsd |
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| 14:23.44 | poisonbit | I can't choose everytimes... sometimes I have to suffer RHEL, Gentoo, or worse things |
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| 14:24.32 | poisonbit | when you get used to debian... most things seems brainfucks |
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| 14:25.05 | abrotman_ | poisonbit: do you need help with Debian ? |
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| 14:25.16 | poisonbit | mmm sometimes |
| 14:25.18 | poisonbit | not at now |
| 14:25.40 | masterkorp | the problem of the debian is the obsolete documentation |
| 14:25.46 | masterkorp | sometimes i struggle with that |
| 14:25.54 | jglauche | wonders why debugfs open takes so forever |
| 14:26.02 | poisonbit | I think that documentation is fine to be a voluntary project |
| 14:26.11 | plorky | jglauche: why wonder, read the sourcecode |
| 14:26.37 | poisonbit | masterkorp, anyway, always anyone can help to fix documentation, If it anoys you... |
| 14:26.38 | jglauche | eh, I have other problems |
| 14:26.40 | masterkorp | poisonbit: well, its ok, but compare with arch or gentoo |
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| 14:26.54 | masterkorp | poisonbit: i try to update it whenever i can |
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| 14:29.00 | abrotman_ | masterkorp: you can contribute documentation |
| 14:29.07 | TuxFighter | would you guys recommend paxctl or pax-utils ? |
| 14:29.19 | TuxFighter | for debian 6 (amd64) system |
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| 14:29.30 | bookmark | howdy |
| 14:29.42 | masterkorp | abrotman_: doing that |
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| 14:30.01 | masterkorp | abrotman_: check ma github |
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| 14:30.14 | abrotman_ | is that in Debian? |
| 14:30.28 | masterkorp | no |
| 14:30.37 | abrotman_ | not helpful |
| 14:30.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Having problems with libvirt after installing qemu-kvm and virt-manager. http://pastie.org/2386114. virt-manager is not starting up. |
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| 14:31.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | This is under Wheezy |
| 14:31.27 | abrotman_ | it tells you the problem |
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| 14:31.57 | poisonbit | sh4d3sl4y3r_, have you try mkdir -p /var/lib/libvirt/qemu ? |
| 14:31.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yaa i know. what should i do? mkdir it? |
| 14:32.19 | poisonbit | then chmod my find it in place |
| 14:32.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | what should be the user permissions? |
| 14:32.40 | poisonbit | don't care unless you get other error |
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| 14:33.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | same error |
| 14:33.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | chown: cannot access `/var/cache/libvirt/qemu/': No such file or directory |
| 14:33.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ? |
| 14:33.37 | poisonbit | he I'm on stable, maybe you're hit by some bug... :) |
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| 14:34.12 | poisonbit | you can inspect the package pre-post-inst scripts |
| 14:34.24 | jglauche | jay. okay. I was now able to delete the probelmatic file/directory with debugfs |
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| 14:34.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ya i will do that. will report the bug! |
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| 14:34.55 | abrotman_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: does it actually exist? |
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| 14:35.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman : it didnt. created it manually |
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| 14:37.49 | abrotman_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: did you have it installed before and removed it? |
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| 14:38.15 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | no.. i didnt even notice the problem. Unless i started virt-manager and found libvirt didnt start up |
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| 14:38.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | then i tried to reinstall when i encountered that error |
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| 14:39.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman: two abrotmans? disconnection? |
| 14:39.59 | daemonkeeper | We are the abrotman. Resistance is futile. |
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| 14:40.29 | abrotman_ | sh4d3sl4y3r_: one is remote .. it's okay |
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| 14:40.43 | abrotman_ | should make that more obvious |
| 14:40.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | alright |
| 14:41.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | seems like testing has become more usable than the previous months. atleast with a lightweight LXDE+SLIM environment |
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| 14:41.28 | abrotman_ | this week |
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| 14:41.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ah ok |
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| 14:43.25 | especially-corn | hi |
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| 14:43.36 | bookmark | hi especially-corn |
| 14:43.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | especially-corn: hello mate |
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| 14:44.15 | especially-corn | ccan i get a more dated chromium |
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| 14:44.37 | especially-corn | can i get a more dated chromium on squeeze? |
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| 14:48.29 | bookmark | can you burn an lcd? like if i don't use a screen saver? |
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| 14:49.20 | jelly | bookmark: yes but it's often reversible |
| 14:49.47 | simonlnu | yes. buddy of mine did. it's only starting to, but yes. oh really? i'll mention that to him. |
| 14:49.54 | jelly | bookmark: ##hardware |
| 14:50.26 | jelly | exercising high contrast patterns can fix it at least somewhat |
| 14:50.39 | simonlnu | ok |
| 14:50.56 | jelly | kde4 has a screensaver thingy for that, but I don't remember the name |
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| 14:51.42 | simonlnu | i'll have to find something for os x, that's what he's got |
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| 14:52.10 | simonlnu | thanks |
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| 14:53.58 | abrotman | there's a java app |
| 14:54.08 | rysiek|pl | hullo |
| 14:54.38 | rysiek|pl | guys, I have a Silicon Image 3114 SATA RAID PCI card, but on the SPARC I need to use it the card's bootmenu does not seem to appear |
| 14:54.51 | rysiek|pl | any suggestions? websearch did not help much here... |
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| 14:55.58 | mjt | most likely the wrong place to ask, you want some sparc-related resource |
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| 15:00.52 | rysiek|pl | mjt: thanks |
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| 15:02.03 | bookmark | iceweasel: Depends: xulrunner-1.9.1 (>= 1.9.1.16) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 15:02.15 | bookmark | my iceweasel was working and now i get this |
| 15:02.26 | bookmark | after i did apt-get autoremove i think |
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| 15:02.41 | bookmark | or wait maybe it was when i installed gimp |
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| 15:03.18 | tdn | I wish to increase the limit on max open file handles per user on my system. I have just read the man page for limits.conf as well as this article: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-increase-the-maximum-number-of-open-files/, but I am still a little confused. It seems there are 4 different values of which I am not sure what the differences are: A) cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max, B) ulimit -Hn, C) ulimit -Sn and D) fs.file-max in /etc/sysctl.conf. Can someon |
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| 15:04.46 | tdn | The problem is that when my server is under heavy load, apache get the error "too many files open". I am guessing it is because it opens a file handle (socket) each time it creates a TCP connection. I think the current value per user is 1024. That is what ulimit -n returns anyway. So I would like to double that to 2048. How to do that? |
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| 15:07.30 | trnzmeta | nite all it was epic |
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| 15:09.33 | simonlnu | tdn: well, the proc settings are system-wide (sysctl and that /proc/sys are the same sub-system, two different ways of accessing it), and so is limits.conf. ulimit is per user and sometimes even per process. |
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| 15:11.03 | tdn | simonlnu, what is the difference between soft and hard limit? |
| 15:11.07 | simonlnu | tdn: what's file-max set to? usually it's enough to set that around 65536 |
| 15:11.50 | tdn | simonlnu, it is 610655 |
| 15:12.05 | Leoneof | hello, how to change root password? |
| 15:12.08 | tdn | But I think per user is 1024, that is what ulimit -n returns |
| 15:12.11 | simonlnu | tdn: sort of like "warning, do not pass, but it's ok if you do, just don't pass hard limit, otherwise you'll get smacked, hard" |
| 15:12.11 | tdn | Leoneof, sudo passwd |
| 15:12.22 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu: AFAIK, limits.conf is not system-wide - it is handled by PAM only |
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| 15:12.40 | simonlnu | oh yes, that's true. my bad |
| 15:12.53 | Leoneof | tdn: oh thanks |
| 15:13.11 | tdn | Ok. So how do I increase the soft and hard limit for how many open files each user can have? From 1024 to 2048? |
| 15:13.24 | thewanderer1 | I am not sure if Apache uses PAM, but presumably not, since it does not need to authenticate to anything |
| 15:13.31 | simonlnu | edit the file |
| 15:13.32 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok, then what to do? |
| 15:13.39 | thewanderer1 | tdn: in the init script, raise the ulimit before starting apache |
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| 15:14.09 | simonlnu | pam_session yes |
| 15:14.09 | tdn | thewanderer1, how to do that? |
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| 15:14.26 | tdn | thewanderer1, if apache does not use pam, how do I check how many files it can have open right now? |
| 15:14.43 | tdn | simonlnu, pam_session? |
| 15:17.42 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu: again, I would doubt if Apache2 uses PAM at any point |
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| 15:17.58 | thewanderer1 | tdn: call ulimit in the init script and see |
| 15:18.06 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok, so does that mean it does not have a limit on file handles? |
| 15:18.30 | tdn | thewanderer1, if I call the init-script, does it not just inherit my (root's) ulimit? |
| 15:18.32 | thewanderer1 | tdn: it means that it inherits a limit from whatever started it, and the parent process might have been impacted by PAM |
| 15:18.43 | thewanderer1 | tdn: yes, but the ulimit does come from somewhere |
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| 15:19.04 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok. What if I reboot the machine. Then apache is started during startup but not by a user? |
| 15:19.22 | thewanderer1 | tdn: you know, I'm kind of wondering about that too... I suppose that's true |
| 15:19.59 | tdn | thewanderer1, so does that mean that apache has unlimited file handles if started during startup but then if I restart it, it only has 1024? That seems.... broken somehow... |
| 15:20.23 | thewanderer1 | tdn: I know, sounds strange to me as well but I don |
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| 15:20.32 | thewanderer1 | 't see a reason to think otherwise |
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| 15:21.06 | Leoneof | tdn: by using su, and then changing the password with passwd, so that will change for root, right? |
| 15:21.57 | tdn | Leoneof, correct |
| 15:22.14 | Leoneof | tdn: thanks ;) |
| 15:22.29 | thewanderer1 | tdn: the functionality that you require is available in Sid, but I don't think it has made it to Squeeze yet... read /etc/apache2/envvars just in case |
| 15:22.30 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok. |
| 15:22.40 | tdn | thewanderer1, ah, ok. |
| 15:23.03 | thewanderer1 | so, for now, if you find that it's not yet ported to Squeeze, you'll need to use ulimit in the init script |
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| 15:25.03 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok. But if I just change ulimit to 2048 for all users then that will be OK as well, right? Because then at startup apache will have unlimited files. Then if I restart it, it will have 2048. Both is OK. |
| 15:25.51 | thewanderer1 | tdn: should work, yes |
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| 15:26.38 | tdn | thewanderer1, cool. I will do that. Should I edit /etc/security/limits.conf directly or rather create a file inside /etc/security/limits.d/ ? |
| 15:27.00 | thewanderer1 | tdn: edit limits.conf, I think limits.d is meant for packages |
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| 15:27.41 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok. |
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| 15:28.11 | tdn | thewanderer1, so do I get this right? I will add this line: "* soft nofile 2048" at the bottom of limits.conf? |
| 15:28.20 | tdn | As well as "* hard nofile 2048" |
| 15:28.35 | tdn | Does the order of lines in limits.conf matter? |
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| 15:32.43 | gnarface | ,versions libxml-dev |
| 15:32.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libxml-dev' was found in i386. |
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| 15:32.52 | tdn | thewanderer1? |
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| 15:32.57 | grand_grunt | I've created new udev rules for a special device (Lego Mindstorm), it is not applied when I plug it in. Instead, I got a < exec of program 'mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1 2 12' failed > message |
| 15:33.16 | grand_grunt | How to debug a udev rule under Debian Squeeze? |
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| 15:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | grand_grunt: It's possible that the device is not returning useful data. |
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| 15:34.11 | grand_grunt | My udev version is "168-1" |
| 15:34.19 | jhutchins_lt | grand_grunt: Perhaps you could pursue the issue with other users of Mindstorm devices and Linux. |
| 15:34.35 | jhutchins_lt | grand_grunt: It may require a special interrogation. |
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| 15:34.37 | grand_grunt | jhutchins_lt: It returns idVendor and idProduct datas |
| 15:35.01 | grand_grunt | And these datas are used in udev script |
| 15:35.03 | jelly | grand_grunt: what if you give the absolute path to mtp-probe? |
| 15:35.32 | grand_grunt | Do I need mtp-probe? Isn't that used for audionumeric devices? |
| 15:35.39 | jelly | I have no idea! |
| 15:36.00 | jelly | I have no idea what audionumeric means at all |
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| 15:36.43 | grand_grunt | jelly: you know, MP3 portable readers. |
| 15:37.02 | jelly | grand_grunt: where's the "numeric" part |
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| 15:37.38 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Well, a straight audio device would produce but not store sound. |
| 15:37.44 | jelly | ... |
| 15:38.20 | laurus | I am running Debian Wheezy with Xfce, and suddenly got this "bug": http://paste.lisp.org/display/124087 |
| 15:38.22 | grand_grunt | jelly: I do prefer the use of "audionumeric" instead of "MP3" because these can sometimes read Ogg Vorbis, FLAC.. |
| 15:38.27 | jelly | sounds like "digital audio" after a couple of iterations thru translation engines |
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| 15:38.47 | jelly | grand_grunt: I mean, that word does not exist in English to the best of my knowledge |
| 15:39.06 | grand_grunt | Seems to work better with mtp-probe, device is created :) |
| 15:39.16 | laurus | How should I report this? |
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| 15:41.36 | tdn | thewanderer1, I have added those lines, however, ulimit -Sn and -Hn still prints 1024. What do I need to do to make changes take effect? |
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| 15:42.18 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: Where did you get eyes.py? |
| 15:42.39 | laurus | jhutchins_lt, I wrote it, and it worked for a long time |
| 15:43.09 | jelly | tdn: if you want to give apache processes different limits, put some ulimit commands in its init script |
| 15:43.15 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: Sounds like something's changed in one of the python libs or something. |
| 15:43.38 | jelly | tdn: apache does not use PAM as far as I know |
| 15:43.50 | jelly | tdn: so limits.conf have no effect there |
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| 15:45.00 | tdn | jelly, I know, but thewanderer1 said that this means that apache should have unlimited max files first time it is started during startup. And then when restarted from root, it will inherit root's ulimit. So I will just increase the per user limit to 2048. However, this does not seem to work. When I type ulimit -Sn as root, I still get 1024. |
| 15:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Apache can use pam with the right modules. |
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| 15:45.22 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: which modules? |
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| 15:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | Mod_auth_pam iirc. I don't think my comment is relevant to your discussion. |
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| 15:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | It's for auth, not ulimits. |
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| 15:46.15 | jelly | tdn: "when restarted", it will still go thru that same init script and execute the commands in there |
| 15:46.30 | thewanderer1 | tdn, jhutchins_lt, jelly, see this mail: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg13069.html |
| 15:46.56 | thewanderer1 | jelly: "when restarted" is still governed by your session's ulimits, like PAM when you logged in over SSH |
| 15:47.29 | thewanderer1 | jelly: as in, there is no upcall to an init daemon in Debian currently - the init script runs in your session |
| 15:47.54 | jelly | thewanderer1: and if you put ulimit commands in there, they work |
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| 15:48.26 | thewanderer1 | jelly: that's what I was suggesting - putting the ulimit in the init script, short of using the solution from the ML that I just linked (Sid only I guess) |
| 15:48.29 | jelly | thewanderer1: I don't see your point |
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| 15:49.18 | thewanderer1 | jelly: my point is that same initscript != same ulimit in the execution context |
| 15:49.38 | jelly | thewanderer1: what execution context? |
| 15:49.54 | thewanderer1 | jelly: PAM session |
| 15:50.14 | jelly | who cares about the pam session, the point is raising limits for apache to work |
| 15:50.14 | thewanderer1 | on boot: no PAM session, when you restart it by hand: there typically is a PAM session with ulimit set |
| 15:50.22 | jelly | thewanderer1: yeah, and? |
| 15:50.22 | tdn | thewanderer1, I have read the mail. But shouldn't it still work if I put it in limits.conf? I mean if I just increase nofile to 2048 for all users? |
| 15:50.33 | thewanderer1 | tdn: it should... does it? |
| 15:50.45 | tdn | thewanderer1, no, it does not even work for regular users. |
| 15:50.55 | jelly | tdn: why would you rely on that side effect? Just edit the init script and be done with it -- it will always work |
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| 15:51.32 | tdn | thewanderer1, it seems that limits.conf does not have any effect. |
| 15:52.09 | tdn | thewanderer1, I put the two above mentioned lines in limits.conf and then logged out and in again. Then ran ulimit -Hn in shell and it returned 1024 and not 2048 as expected. |
| 15:52.13 | tdn | thewanderer1, what to do? |
| 15:52.42 | jelly | won't repeat what to do. |
| 15:53.02 | tdn | jelly, that is because I would like to avoid editing the initscript as that is maintained by the package. Then, when the package, initscript will either be overwritten or not be updated. |
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| 15:53.23 | tdn | jelly, so limits.conf is lower maintenance. And this is a priority. |
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| 15:53.36 | jelly | tdn: that's the only sane way to do it in Debian 6 or earlier. |
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| 15:53.48 | jelly | tdn: and limits.conf does not apply |
| 15:53.50 | tdn | If I change the initscript I will have to maintain that in my config management. I would rather not. |
| 15:53.55 | jelly | OH NOES |
| 15:54.29 | tdn | jelly, you mean limits.conf will not work? I thought it was just "not as elegant"? |
| 15:54.34 | tdn | But that it would work. |
| 15:54.39 | jelly | tdn: IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK |
| 15:54.46 | jelly | APACHE DOES NOT USE PAM_LIMITS |
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| 15:55.57 | tdn | jelly, yeah, I know. But that is only the first time it is started, right? This first time it has unlimited filemax. That is fine with me. Then when I restart it, it gets the limit of 1024. (if I understand thewanderer1 correctly?) This is what I want to increase. |
| 15:56.20 | tdn | I will have to go. BRB in about 30 mins. |
| 15:56.30 | thewanderer1 | tdn: somehow, increasing nofile in limits.conf doesn't work for me either. bummer :P |
| 15:56.32 | jelly | you don't know zip until you Try It And See |
| 15:58.13 | mjt | is pam_limits enabled by default? |
| 15:58.16 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 15:58.54 | thewanderer1 | only in login and ssh I think... does not work in su :P |
| 15:59.24 | mjt | in su it's commented out |
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| 15:59.39 | thewanderer1 | yes, so login and sshd are what initializes the ulimits |
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| 16:02.41 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know the nick of rene the maintainer of libreoffice |
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| 16:05.32 | jelly | tdn: once you put the ulimit in the init script, there's no need to put it anywhere else. If you do restarts using the script or invoke-rc.d, it always gets called as root and that ulimit command there always works, regardless of the parent process limits. |
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| 16:06.43 | jelly | no need to muck with limits.conf |
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| 16:12.24 | karlpinc_ | I'm trying to install debian stable via usb and I can't make my usb stick boot. I've followed the instructions in section 4.3.3 of the install guide, both with and without creating the partition and the fs. I never seem to get any indication from syslinux that it's there at all. (I also note that the mkdosfs man page, contrary to the install guide, says it can't make a bootable fs.) What next? |
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| 16:13.25 | wols | karlpinc_: cat debian-netinst.iso > /dev/sdc |
| 16:13.31 | wols | no partitions to be made |
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| 16:13.48 | simonlnu | jelly: that's true |
| 16:14.03 | karlpinc_ | wols: Yes. But I'm also going to need firmware, I think, and there's no wired nic. |
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| 16:14.13 | MrMind | hello, how can I keep my clock synced? I use utc if that matters :) |
| 16:14.32 | wols | !tell karlpinc_ about firmware images |
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| 16:14.58 | wols | karlpinc_: tho, you don't need firmware to install debian. is your firmware need for wlan? and does the wlan use wpa? |
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| 16:15.25 | karlpinc_ | wols: I need firmware to get on the net. No, an unsecured network. |
| 16:15.31 | helo | MrMind: package "ntp" |
| 16:15.37 | wols | MrMind: install ntp (only works if the difference is not too great) |
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| 16:16.24 | MrMind | wols: okey thx, but what difference? |
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| 16:16.45 | karlpinc_ | wols: I'm not sure just what the hardware is. I don't care to poke about Windows and try to wring information out of it either. But I believe it's got a broadcom chip in it. |
| 16:16.52 | wols | time difference between your clock and the atomic clock. if it's a few minutes/seconds it's fine. if it's hours or days, it is not |
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| 16:17.42 | wols | karlpinc_: then no debian installer in existence will work. no use for any firmware on the installer. install debian and then follow the various debian howtos for shitty hardware |
| 16:17.52 | karlpinc_ | wols: I thought the new ntp had a option, set on by default, that allowed a big time skip on startup. Hence, no longer any need for ntpdate. |
| 16:18.16 | wols | maybe. I dunno. and wanna bet that the ntp in squeeze is new enough? *g* |
| 16:18.28 | karlpinc_ | wols: I think it is new enough. |
| 16:19.08 | MrMind | wols: okey, thx! |
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| 16:20.52 | karlpinc_ | wols: Yes. -g Exists by default in /etc/default/ntp and allows a one-time infinite time shift. |
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| 16:21.15 | themill | wols: -g + iburst was the default for lenny. (perhaps even etch... I don't think I've got an etch box left to check) |
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| 16:21.42 | needless | hey, i'm running wheezy and i just updated to kernel 3.0.0-1-686-pae and now gdm3 won't start. what information do you need to help me? |
| 16:22.22 | Bushmills | ,kernels |
| 16:22.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-2); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-31~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 16:22.41 | blackshirt | needless: what the error messages ? |
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| 16:23.37 | karlpinc_ | So, before I go and find an installer with firmware, any clues on getting my usb stick to boot? (It's annoying!) Perhaps I could dd the netinstall and then use a tool to make the partition bigger? (And then do *something* to get a bootable fat fs???) |
| 16:23.38 | needless | blackshirt: i see none on boot. i just don't get to the login screen anymore. it was on tty7 but it isn't there now |
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| 16:23.54 | tdn | thewanderer1, limits does not work even when logging in via ssh |
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| 16:24.13 | tdn | jelly, ok. I will find a way to change the init script then. Maybe I'll just wrap it with another script. |
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| 16:24.39 | blackshirt | needless: can you login throught console, tty1 or tty2 ? |
| 16:24.54 | needless | blackshirt: there was a problem with virtualbox modules so i disabled virtualbox and rebooted. and yes, i can login on the other ttys |
| 16:25.02 | needless | blackshirt: i just don't get the gdm login |
| 16:25.41 | wols | karlpinc_: I told you how to create your USB stick. and I also told you that for broadcom hardware, there are no firmware files anywhere |
| 16:25.42 | blackshirt | needless : try with #dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 16:25.53 | jelly | needless: does starting X manually (startx or xinit) work? |
| 16:25.57 | tdn | jelly, should I just put the ulimit command in the top of the init script? |
| 16:25.58 | needless | blackshirt: i now booted using 2.6.39-2-686-pae and it works just fine |
| 16:25.58 | blackshirt | and restart X server |
| 16:26.13 | wols | needless: are you inside a virtualbox VM? |
| 16:26.29 | tdn | jelly, and just "ulimit -n 2048" ? |
| 16:26.43 | needless | wols: no. i'm just using virtualbox to run some other os's |
| 16:26.43 | jelly | tdn: anywhere before apache2ctl invocation |
| 16:26.52 | tdn | Is there any reason to not just use a much higher file limit like 10k or something like that? |
| 16:26.53 | themill | needless: what graphics driver do you normally use? nvidia? fglrx? |
| 16:26.57 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
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| 16:27.08 | abrotman | blackshirt: it would be gdm3 |
| 16:27.18 | karlpinc_ | wols: Yes. And I'm telling you that before I go off and dd a netinstall image I want to know how to get my usb stick to boot using syslinux. |
| 16:27.30 | blackshirt | abrotman: okey, thanks... |
| 16:27.38 | abrotman | okay |
| 16:27.39 | needless | themill: it's nvidia-glx 280.13-1 |
| 16:27.45 | needless | themill: it just updated to this version |
| 16:27.55 | jelly | tdn: the limit is there to prevent DoS for other processes; if you to write to 10000 log files, you'll need 10000 open files |
| 16:27.56 | needless | but it's running fine with kernel 2.6.39-2-686-pae |
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| 16:28.25 | themill | needless: did you install the kernel headers package for your 3.0 kernel? |
| 16:28.27 | blackshirt | needless: i think you need reinstall your nvidia-glx driver |
| 16:28.35 | jelly | blackshirt: no need to reinstall it |
| 16:28.40 | needless | blackshirt: it's working fine with 2.6.39-2-686-pae... |
| 16:28.41 | tdn | jelly, or if I have 10000 connections at the same time. |
| 16:28.49 | abrotman | needless: that doesn't answer his question |
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| 16:28.59 | needless | themill: no, i just aptitude safe-upgraded |
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| 16:29.24 | Default1 | gfhgfh |
| 16:29.26 | themill | needless: does "aptitude install linux-headers-686-pae" want to do anything? |
| 16:29.29 | tdn | What is the difference between safe-upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 16:29.39 | tdn | I always do dist-upgrade, is that bad? |
| 16:29.41 | themill | Default1: yes, both cat and keyboard seem to be working fine. |
| 16:29.42 | needless | themill: yes |
| 16:29.44 | blackshirt | jelly: or try to reconfigure again 3.0 kernel.. |
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| 16:29.56 | needless | i'll install this |
| 16:30.12 | themill | needless: better install those packages then... and hopefully dkms will kick in and you'll see the nvidia driver being compiled for the 3.0 kernel. |
| 16:30.13 | abrotman | jelly: yeah .. reconfigure your kernel to solve the other guy's problem |
| 16:30.25 | blackshirt | tdn: you can read it on aptitude manual |
| 16:30.51 | needless | themill: dkms just started. |
| 16:31.22 | needless | themill: but it didn't compile nvidia-glx |
| 16:31.24 | jelly | tdn: that depends a bit on the worker used, but I don't think there's a worker that keeps all the connections open within a single process |
| 16:31.29 | themill | tdn: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade; /msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade |
| 16:31.57 | samantha-c- | is there a utility that will do a complete diagnostic of a potentially bad drive? destructive to data is fine. |
| 16:32.16 | plorky | hey guys i have a directory on a filesystem that has like a billion files in it |
| 16:32.21 | tdn | themill, thanks for a useful answer. |
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| 16:32.27 | plorky | it takes 9 hours just to ls -lR it |
| 16:32.28 | thewanderer1 | samantha-c-: smartctl (smartmontools package) is supposed to carry out all kinds of SMART diagnostic tests |
| 16:32.29 | jelly | tdn: In practice I've seen one apache server deal well with about 2-4k connections, and then we had to bring in more servers to the farm |
| 16:32.32 | needless | themill: i'll try to restart now |
| 16:32.41 | themill | needless: hang on... |
| 16:32.42 | blackshirt | samantha-c : testdisk |
| 16:32.45 | plorky | how can i improve the performance of this directory structure |
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| 16:33.20 | robokop | plorky: organizing it in directories, make some trie like structure |
| 16:33.20 | abrotman | plorky: what is the filesystem? what kind of files are they? |
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| 16:33.25 | themill | needless: did dkms rebuild "nvidia.ko" along the way? |
| 16:33.27 | blackshirt | plorky: what you the mean performance of this directory structure ? |
| 16:33.44 | tdn | jelly, this one gets hit with ~30k connections in a within a few minutes. Last time that happened, apache gave the error "too many open files".. And it was horribly slow at serving connections. Probably because it had to wait for another connection to die before opening a new one. |
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| 16:34.28 | needless | themill: no, but gdm3 started now. |
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| 16:34.31 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: You can also use the badblocks program if you don't want to rely on drive diagnostics. |
| 16:34.35 | needless | although it looks really crappy |
| 16:34.40 | plorky | it is an extended 3 filesystem, it does have directories in a decent structure |
| 16:35.00 | blackshirt | needless: good news |
| 16:35.19 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, i'm getting errors that i've seen previously when the drive is on its last legs. but smart reports it's in good shape, ergo my concern. |
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| 16:35.36 | jelly | tdn: oh, since /etc/default/apache2 is sourced from the init script when it exists, you might put the limits there |
| 16:35.43 | hroi | "aptitude search latex" returns many many latex packages. I cant identify but one virtual package but it doesnt seem to be the one that actually install the vanilla latex |
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| 16:36.00 | blackshirt | halo bolong7 wkwkwk |
| 16:36.06 | needless | blackshirt, themill: but gnome doesn't look right now. and i get an error message saying that gnome-settings-daemon couldn't be started. |
| 16:36.11 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Smart does not do things automatically. You have to tell it to run the tests (smartctl -t long /dev/.... is the one that actually does a test iirc.) |
| 16:36.22 | hroi | I want my old fashioned latex. I think tetex and javalatex are all different |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | hroi: texlive-latex3 ? |
| 16:36.40 | themill | hroi: textlive-latex-base is the smallest bit of latex you want. |
| 16:36.40 | tdn | jelly, great idea! Ill do that. |
| 16:36.46 | bolong7 | hallo blackshirt |
| 16:36.46 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: The smartman page is ugly, but explains somewhere in there that some of the tests are just data collection while some actually test. |
| 16:36.54 | needless | blackshirt, themill: all the icons are different and the theme changed... |
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| 16:37.21 | hroi | abrotman: themill: ahh ok didnt expect that package name, thanks! |
| 16:37.27 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, i ran -t long on it last night and didn't hear it exercising the drive, which is what concerns me. it would have completed by now. output like this is what concerns me: http://pastebin.com/Y97WTqRY |
| 16:37.35 | themill | hroi, abrotman: I presume latex3 is not what you want. |
| 16:37.36 | blackshirt | bolong7: jumpa di negeri orang :d |
| 16:37.51 | abrotman | blackshirt: english, last warning |
| 16:38.04 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: I'd expect it to seek sequentually, so you wouldn't hear the heads moving much. |
| 16:38.22 | hroi | themill: yes i dont, didnt even know there was a latex3 |
| 16:38.22 | bolong7 | blackshirt : mostly i just a silent reader here ;) |
| 16:38.26 | blackshirt | abrotman : sorry.. |
| 16:38.27 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, i'd think testing 10 drives simultaneously i'd here SOMETHING ... :( |
| 16:38.33 | samantha-c- | hear |
| 16:38.36 | themill | hroi: work in progress. |
| 16:38.49 | abrotman | themill: pfff .. what could go wrong? :) |
| 16:39.02 | needless | blackshirt, themill: it's better now. |
| 16:39.14 | needless | back to working i guess :) |
| 16:39.39 | needless | i just "nvidia-xconfig"'ed and restarted gdm and now everything seems alright |
| 16:39.42 | blackshirt | needless: :d |
| 16:39.53 | hroi | themill: abrotman: http://www.latex-project.org/latex3.html "latex 3 is an onging research project" I guess I dont want that. |
| 16:40.17 | needless | thanks for your help, blackshirt, themill, jelly, wols :) |
| 16:40.20 | hroi | themill: abrotman: no sorry "long-term research project" |
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| 16:40.22 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Which line is concerning. I don't really understand smart but I'm under the impression that generally the thresholds are something that's counted down to -- depending on the line you're looking at. |
| 16:40.30 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: s/./?/ |
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| 16:40.48 | blackshirt | bolong7: looks "strange" for me :-P |
| 16:41.06 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Which line of your paste that is. |
| 16:41.10 | plorky | so are there any ways to improve the performance of ext3 |
| 16:41.17 | themill | hroi: quite. that's why I said you wanted textlive-latex-base. You'll want some other packages too to get styles and classes, but you can add them later (apt-cache search style; apt-file search foo.sty) |
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| 16:41.57 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Oh. I see. Your smart logs show read failure. |
| 16:42.13 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_: eg lines 39, 47, 53, 54. I also get log entries like this when booting, and when actively using the drive, eg: http://pastebin.com/4D6Qz6zd |
| 16:42.27 | abrotman | plorky: what kind of hardware is the filesystem on? |
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| 16:43.52 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, so i'm of a mind to simply jerk the drive and have done with it. |
| 16:43.56 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Yes. That does not look good. (I don't know what the sata error means.) |
| 16:44.01 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, but suggestions are welcome :) |
| 16:44.17 | jelly | plorky: well. What kind of application uses a billion small files? What's your use case? Why do you need to ls -lR? |
| 16:44.18 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: Yes. And blow the dust off everything while you're at it. |
| 16:44.34 | samantha-c- | karlpinc_, i'm anal about dust in my raid array :) |
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| 16:44.47 | karlpinc_ | samantha-c-: You might also pay attention to temperature... |
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| 16:45.41 | jelly | plorky: ext3 does not have best performance with hundreds of millions of files, you're going to need a decent hashed structure (with say, no more than 1000s or 10'000s of files in a single leaf directory) for optimal access to a single file |
| 16:47.14 | blackshirt | plorky: i think may be better you're using reiserfs for millions of small files |
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| 16:47.38 | themill | blackshirt: seriously? |
| 16:47.42 | plorky | yeah its too late for that though |
| 16:48.10 | plorky | i think noatime should help quite a bit |
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| 16:48.29 | plorky | http://www.linux-tips.org/article/76/improving-file-system-performance-with-noatime |
| 16:48.50 | karlpinc_ | plorky: Well yah. |
| 16:48.57 | plorky | :) |
| 16:49.45 | jelly | plorky: if you're on Debian 6, your kernel already uses "relatime" mount option by default which yields similar performance improvements |
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| 16:50.33 | plorky | its rhel |
| 16:50.41 | jelly | why are you asking in here, then |
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| 16:50.47 | themill | searches for the debian connection |
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| 16:50.54 | plorky | because you have to register to talk in rhel |
| 16:51.00 | plorky | and its EXT3 |
| 16:51.01 | jelly | so register |
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| 16:51.11 | plorky | i would ask in #linux but i have to register there too |
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| 16:51.53 | abrotman | plorky: try ##linux instead |
| 16:51.55 | plorky | are you fucking stupid? i cant ask EXT3 questsions? |
| 16:52.00 | plorky | die in a fire faggots |
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| 16:52.16 | jelly | we are SO burned |
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| 16:53.17 | blackshirt | themill: i think, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReiserFS#Performance |
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| 16:53.28 | karlpinc_ | jelly: I didn't know that about relatime. You'd think they'd put that in the release notes. |
| 16:53.29 | do0ob | Can i have a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userspace? |
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| 16:53.42 | samantha-c- | has anybody taken up reiserfs development these days? |
| 16:53.56 | themill | !fs |
| 16:53.57 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:54.07 | jelly | karlpinc_: if by "they" you mean kernel upstream in the 2.6.30 changelog, then they did! |
| 16:54.18 | themill | blackshirt: ^^ reiserfs has a reputation for (a) speed and (b) losing files. Great recommendation. |
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| 16:54.49 | karlpinc_ | jelly: Nah. I mean the squeeze release notes, so it gets passed on to ordinary mortals. :) |
| 16:55.06 | neglesaks | ext4 wasnt mentioned. |
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| 16:55.11 | jelly | themill: but SPEED! |
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| 16:55.44 | themill | neglesaks: maybe if you highlight peterS a few more times he'll give us a pithy quote to add to it for ext4 |
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| 16:55.50 | neglesaks | ext4 in my experience is faster than ext3, reliable, and now also availble for Debian as of D6 |
| 16:56.03 | neglesaks | :) |
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| 16:56.18 | jelly | it reliably remounted-ro for me |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:56.55 | jelly | this is a bit of a problem with Postfix and its queue directory apparently |
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| 16:58.32 | scx | hello |
| 16:59.25 | scx | i want to create FAT32 partition on SD Card for digital camera |
| 16:59.26 | karlpinc_ | scx: Hello. If you have a question just ask. |
| 16:59.38 | scx | i use cfdisk |
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| 16:59.56 | scx | what partition type i should use? 0B OR 0C? |
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| 17:00.09 | abrotman | scx: why not just have the camera format it ? |
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| 17:00.12 | gnarface | hey i've got alsa-oss installed but i can't find my /dev/dsp and i think that's stopping older oss-only programs from working. anyone got a suggestion for this? |
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| 17:00.46 | abrotman | gnarface: load the snd-pcm-oss module or whatever it is |
| 17:01.01 | abrotman | snd_mixer_oss .. perhaps |
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| 17:02.23 | scx | abrotman: after i format SD card using gparted or digital camera i' getting errors like this: |
| 17:02.26 | scx | FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 17:02.38 | linis | looking to run scp command in bg |
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| 17:03.22 | linis | but in bg its stopped |
| 17:03.40 | scx | and i cant mount it on some PCs |
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| 17:05.50 | themill | linis: you probably want to look at the -q option for scp in "man scp". |
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| 17:06.50 | linis | will using nohup help ?? like will the process continue even if i logout of my remote system ?? |
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| 17:08.30 | themill | linis: you need to stop the process making output; nohup or disown can help too, but they're addressing different problems |
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| 17:09.09 | gnarface | abrotman: that won't interfere with the alsa-oss package? |
| 17:09.19 | abrotman | not AFAIK |
| 17:09.32 | abrotman | though i have the alsa-oss package removed |
| 17:09.40 | linis | themill: the main concern is to run the process even after i logout of my ssh |
| 17:10.02 | gnarface | abrotman: omg it totally worked! |
| 17:10.23 | gnarface | abrotman: thanks ... i could have sworn that used to load automatically with alsa-oss though... |
| 17:10.34 | stephanee | hi. i just installed dreamlinux. everything worked but i wanted mplayer so i tried to apt-get it got tons of dependencies hells now pidgin crashes with the following |
| 17:10.35 | abrotman | no idea |
| 17:10.37 | stephanee | (pidgin:32026): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: |
| 17:10.39 | stephanee | Trying to dispose element play, but it is not in the NULL state. |
| 17:10.48 | stephanee | and a bunch of other GStreamer errors following that |
| 17:10.52 | abrotman | stephanee: this is #debian, we don't support DreamLinux |
| 17:11.03 | jhutchins_lt | linis: What most of us do is run it in screen and detach. |
| 17:11.05 | abrotman | stephanee: try #dreamlinux on freenode |
| 17:11.13 | stephanee | nobody is ever there |
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| 17:11.33 | abrotman | stephanee: you're welcome to install Debian and come back and ask as many questions as you want |
| 17:11.41 | stephanee | dreamlinux is based on debian. its apt that screwed me |
| 17:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | !based on debian |
| 17:11.53 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:12.03 | stephanee | is there a quick fix for a undo? |
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| 17:12.15 | abrotman | stephanee: ask #dreamlinux, or perhaps ##linux .. You're offtopic in this channel |
| 17:12.16 | jhutchins_lt | stephanee: Perhaps they have a mailing list. |
| 17:12.24 | stephanee | oh so i cant ask debian questions unless i use debian, how evil |
| 17:12.33 | jhutchins_lt | stephanee: It's not a debian question. |
| 17:12.36 | abrotman | it's not a Debian question, it's a DreamLinux question |
| 17:12.37 | linis | jhutchins_lt: how is that ?? |
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| 17:13.18 | jhutchins_lt | install screen, launch it, launch the process, detach the screen. |
| 17:13.44 | stephanee | if i was using debian, id have the same problem |
| 17:13.50 | jelly | stephanee: often a derivative introduces subtle breakage by mixing binary packages that otherwise do not happen on a proper Debian system |
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| 17:13.58 | abrotman | stephanee: doubtful, maybe you sohuld install Debian and find out |
| 17:14.08 | themill | stephanee: no you wouldn't because the debian packages aren't broken like that. Please go to ##linux |
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| 17:14.30 | jhutchins_lt | stephanee: mplayer works great on both oldstable and stable Debian. No crashes here for several years. |
| 17:14.31 | jelly | must be something in the air tonight |
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| 17:15.23 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: it's a "after installing mplayer [from some place], pidgin [from possibly some other place] breaks" |
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| 17:15.38 | anoob | i have a dell core i5 (second generation), which debian version should i download to get the best performance? |
| 17:15.50 | neglesaks | anoob, amg64 |
| 17:15.54 | neglesaks | amd64, sorry |
| 17:16.00 | jhutchins_lt | Funny, pidgin works great here, again on both stable and oldstable, and has for years. With mplayer. |
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| 17:16.09 | anoob | neglesaks, thank you |
| 17:17.06 | neglesaks | youre welcome. amd64 applies to all 64 bit x86 processors. |
| 17:17.16 | neglesaks | even though its also intel making them |
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| 17:27.23 | linis | jhutchins_lt: i detach and when i go back to screen, i cant see the process running. |
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| 17:37.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 17:38.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Eryn_1983_FL: hey mate |
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| 17:41.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | How do i get networkmanager/nm-applet/whatever to connect me to my wifi???? I got no tray to dock it in |
| 17:41.38 | sn4fu | Hi guys, does anyone know how to keep multiple newlines at the end of variables in Bash? echo "$var" does not remove the newlines between characters, but it removes any newlines at the end. |
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| 17:47.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | any ideas?? |
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| 17:47.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | the last time I tried this I had to break network manager to get it to work years ago.. |
| 17:47.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ??? |
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| 17:49.02 | wols | easy solution: don't use nm |
| 17:49.23 | blackshirt | Eryo_1983_FL : have you try run nm-applet |
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| 17:50.25 | blackshirt | ?? |
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| 18:03.35 | bernhard2 | is it best tosetup exim4 with maildir ?? |
| 18:04.25 | abrotman | that's up to you |
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| 18:07.46 | jelly | !start a mta war |
| 18:07.46 | dpkg | Postfix has an evil license! |
| 18:07.47 | jelly | dpkg: LIES |
| 18:07.47 | dpkg | lies are evil, or as some would put it: "There are three types of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics." |
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| 18:09.59 | bernhard2 | basicly need an email server with smtp, imap |
| 18:10.16 | daemonkeeper | Postfix' license may be evil, but qmail's author is equally evil, and sendmail is evil by design. Who wins? :> |
| 18:10.56 | Devastator-work | erm.. none?! |
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| 18:12.33 | bernhard2 | nginx doesnt provide an email server right ? only a proxy ? |
| 18:12.34 | zach23 | anyone familiar with bonnie++? |
| 18:12.35 | jelly | Devastator-work: Postfix obvsly |
| 18:12.43 | zach23 | I have done some tests and want some input on them |
| 18:13.16 | zach23 | benchmarks are here: http://malekkoheavyindustry.com/benchmark.html |
| 18:13.21 | jelly | daemonkeeper: best we all use gmail coz the owner has declared not to be evil |
| 18:13.37 | daemonkeeper | judd: versions gmail |
| 18:13.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gmail' was found in i386. |
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| 18:13.43 | daemonkeeper | Sorry |
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| 18:13.55 | daemonkeeper | Not appropriate for me :) |
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| 18:14.03 | bernhard2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.07 | ompaul | inappropriate |
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| 18:14.36 | ompaul | apt-get remove --purge $some-app |
| 18:14.54 | ompaul | or if you so feel like it aptitude remove but that is a different story |
| 18:15.09 | twobitsprite | zach23: what sort of input are you looking for? |
| 18:15.45 | zach23 | twobitsprite: Wondering if the benchmarks shows such a big jump in performance as I am thinking it does...from the current db01 to the new one and even better with XFS - almost 16 times?? |
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| 18:16.23 | twobitsprite | zach23: that's about what it looks like |
| 18:16.35 | zach23 | twobitsprite: that's crazy...going from RAID 5 to RAID 10 would do that? |
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| 18:16.44 | nsadmin | bernhard2, you should be really sure you want to do that... a few moving parts in debian expect a mail server to be runnin |
| 18:17.25 | twobitsprite | zach23: what is raid 10? |
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| 18:17.38 | jelly | zach23: raid5 isn't the best performer and never has been |
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| 18:17.54 | zach23 | raid 10 - the disks on which this test took place. |
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| 18:18.04 | anoob | i am running fluxbox and nautilus as fm... i want to have automatic mount when i plug my usb device... what should i do? |
| 18:18.06 | zach23 | jelly: yeah but that much of a performance hinderance. also going xfs helped a lot |
| 18:18.09 | bernhard2 | <nsadmin> i want to install a mailserver which also handles imap... postfix ? |
| 18:18.10 | no_gravity | Good Evening! When your are a shell over SSH and want to do some quick steps in a nother directory and then return to the current directory, how do you guys go about it? |
| 18:18.14 | babilen | bernhard2: Why do you want to remove exim4? |
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| 18:18.55 | jelly | bernhard2: both postfix and exim4 have nothing to do with imap, which is handled by a separate service |
| 18:18.57 | babilen | no_gravity: pushd/popd or "cd -" ... there is also xd |
| 18:19.45 | daemonkeeper | There is also a crazy thing like ... zsh |
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| 18:19.50 | twobitsprite | no_gravity: cd - |
| 18:19.50 | babilen | bernhard2: I recommend dovecot-imapd -- but that has nothing to do with your MTA and will work with exim and postfix |
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| 18:20.05 | twobitsprite | no_gravity: cd /new/dir/path; some; stuff; cd - |
| 18:20.07 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I was just waiting :) |
| 18:20.26 | zach23 | jelly: from 20868 K/sec for sequential output to 552395 K/sec - that's crazy...26 times faster? |
| 18:20.33 | no_gravity | twobitsprite: yeah, thats a good idea! |
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| 18:20.38 | daemonkeeper | babilen: I am curious what you made out of my zshrc by the way. |
| 18:20.38 | jelly | zach23: K of what? |
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| 18:20.43 | no_gravity | babilen, twobitsprite: thanks! |
| 18:20.59 | zach23 | jelly: doing a bonnie++ test: http://prongs.org/~afra/benchmark.html |
| 18:21.00 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I dropped work on it due to more urgent things that need to be done. |
| 18:21.06 | zach23 | writes random files i think |
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| 18:21.17 | daemonkeeper | Ok |
| 18:21.23 | twobitsprite | zach23: what FS is the old one? were there any other changes? hardware, etc? |
| 18:21.30 | jelly | zach23: yeah, I don't know what it does. |
| 18:21.35 | bernhard2 | ok i configured exim4, so what do i need to configure to set it up with imap etc . ? dovecot-imapd ? |
| 18:21.42 | zach23 | twobitsprite: yes, new RAID system and RAID 10 and ext3 was the old one |
| 18:21.50 | jelly | zach23: same underlying hardware? Both starting with a clean fs? |
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| 18:22.16 | twobitsprite | zach23: what raid systems are you using? |
| 18:22.30 | zach23 | twobitsprite: Perc H700 on new Dell Servers |
| 18:22.43 | twobitsprite | zach23: and the old one? |
| 18:23.11 | jelly | hides from Dell (well, LSI) hw in fear |
| 18:23.34 | zach23 | PERC 5/i |
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| 18:24.34 | twobitsprite | the perc 700 seems to have a lot of features the perc 5/i doesn't have |
| 18:25.19 | jelly | say, more RAM for cache |
| 18:25.27 | twobitsprite | twice the cache |
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| 18:26.00 | twobitsprite | the 5's are PCIe 8x, but the 7's are PCIe 2.0 |
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| 18:26.09 | zach23 | twobitsprite: 512Mb cache right? |
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| 18:26.38 | zach23 | it has to be the RAID 5 vs RAID 10 mainly tho |
| 18:26.39 | twobitsprite | also, the 700's support twice the SAS speed... 6Gb/s as opposed to 3 |
| 18:26.51 | jelly | the bus usually won't be the bottleneck with hw raid |
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| 18:27.01 | jelly | pci bus that is |
| 18:27.06 | twobitsprite | zach23: I'm sure that helps, but so does the hardware... also, as jelly point out, being on a fresh fs instead of an old one |
| 18:27.24 | twobitsprite | jelly: true |
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| 18:27.49 | twobitsprite | jelly: but it could add some latency in back-and-forth, single-threaded ops |
| 18:28.09 | zach23 | twobitsprite: the drives are 3GB/s... |
| 18:28.16 | zach23 | I tried the ext3 on both, 16x difference |
| 18:28.40 | twobitsprite | zach23: was it a fresh (newly formatted) ext3 on the old one? |
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| 18:28.55 | zach23 | oh no it was a new server entirely so not apples to apples |
| 18:28.58 | zach23 | but still - huge difference |
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| 18:29.02 | jelly | zach23: most of that write performance change will be due to raid10 and better raid hba |
| 18:29.17 | twobitsprite | zach23: so... basically, there are a lot of factors here, not just the RAID levels |
| 18:29.26 | zach23 | how about the read - is that "Sequential Output"? |
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| 18:29.46 | twobitsprite | zach23: it's your benchmark, you tell us :) |
| 18:29.59 | zach23 | well this is from bonnie++ |
| 18:30.22 | twobitsprite | I don't know anything about bonnie++... the docs don't say how it performs the read bench? |
| 18:30.28 | improveupon | hello. i used ntfscp to copy my home directory to the windows partition a while back. now i want to delete it. windows delete does not work. is there a tool in ntfsprogs that can delete it? otherwise, is there a way i can boot ubuntu and mount the windows partition with full permissions? or, any other suggestions? |
| 18:30.54 | twobitsprite | improveupon: try #ubuntu |
| 18:31.01 | improveupon | thanks |
| 18:31.06 | jelly | zach23: I'm interpreting it as output = writes, input = reads |
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| 18:31.40 | jelly | zach23: this matches the numbers and performance difference between read and write io on oldish raid5 |
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| 18:32.20 | zach23 | wow writes is insane - that is what we had problems with, when heavy writes took place, the system would struggle really bad |
| 18:32.52 | twobitsprite | zach23: cache is going to make a big different there |
| 18:32.55 | jelly | zach23: note the improvement for reads is maybe 4x |
| 18:33.05 | zach23 | damn |
| 18:33.29 | improveupon | this is n00b but,just out of curiosity... ntfsprogs is for all distros, right? why did you suggest #ubuntu? |
| 18:33.30 | jelly | zach23: and random io is like 10% difference |
| 18:33.43 | jelly | zach23: between old and new hw both on ext3 |
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| 18:34.04 | twobitsprite | improveupon: you're running ubuntu... this is #debian... |
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| 18:34.10 | twobitsprite | improveupon: ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 18:34.16 | zach23 | jelly: writes are over 25 times as much |
| 18:34.43 | improveupon | oh sorry... i revealed i was running ubuntu myself... ok then |
| 18:34.44 | jelly | zach23: which is easily explainable |
| 18:34.55 | zach23 | jelly: sorry just blown away - do you think that is RAID but also the cache you are talking of? |
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| 18:35.29 | jelly | zach23: both array geometry and the controller (hba), yes |
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| 18:35.52 | bernhard2 | how can i check if i have dovecot installed ? |
| 18:35.54 | zach23 | I feel for writes, RAID 10 would be much better than RAID 5...man for databases they werent kidding, that does suck |
| 18:36.10 | jelly | zach23: ...the more you know! |
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| 18:36.51 | twobitsprite | does #ubuntu really suck that bad that people have to try to trick us in to supporting their ubuntu systems? |
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| 18:38.51 | zach23 | jelly: XFS vs. Ext4 (ext3 is out of the picture just by looking at those numbers) |
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| 18:45.25 | an0 | Is it normal when using mkfs.ext3 for the "Writing inode tables" step to move really slowly? |
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| 18:45.44 | twobitsprite | an0: how big is your fs? |
| 18:46.04 | an0 | Possibly too big for that fs lol |
| 18:46.05 | an0 | 1tb |
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| 18:46.13 | an0 | Is that why? |
| 18:46.13 | twobitsprite | an0: yeah, that'll take a while |
| 18:46.23 | twobitsprite | an0: how slow are we talking about? |
| 18:46.37 | an0 | Same thing happened when I tried mkfs.ext4 |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | an0: what speed is your machine ? |
| 18:46.49 | an0 | It flew to 500 something, now it's crawling int he 600's. |
| 18:47.06 | an0 | It's a good machine. A little old, but a dual-cpu server with 8gb of RAM. |
| 18:47.38 | an0 | It's a USB drive, though. |
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| 18:49.20 | an0 | Any clues here? -- http://pastebin.com/n2fht0e0 |
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| 18:54.33 | abrotman | an0: did you check your logs to see if the usb drive went nuts? |
| 18:54.47 | an0 | I didn't. |
| 18:55.00 | an0 | "/var/log/messages"? |
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| 19:12.27 | Pinchiukas | If I want a bone stock bare squeeze on EC2, how do I find the right AMI image? |
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| 19:20.19 | betta_y_omega | from the package p7zip-full, 9.04 beta, options -tgzip -mx=9, created wrong CRC archive in 64-bit OS |
| 19:20.21 | Pinchiukas | Noone, huh? :) |
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| 19:21.23 | karlpinc | Can I use tar to backup and restore NTFS file system content without loss? |
| 19:21.23 | betta_y_omega | foobar.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error (when tested with gzip -vt) |
| 19:23.23 | an0 | Can someone look at this and tell me if the second and third disk are part of a RAID array, or if I can format and use them independently? |
| 19:23.28 | an0 | http://pastebin.com/9cwMwRkh |
| 19:23.43 | Rienzilla | karlpinc: you won't save the ACL's if you use tar |
| 19:24.06 | Rienzilla | karlpinc: so you will have your files, but not all the ownership and rights data about the files |
| 19:24.21 | jelly-home | an0: output of "hpacucli ctrl all show config" and "hpacucli ctrl all show config detail", please |
| 19:24.22 | karlpinc | Rienzilla: Any suggestions? (dpkg has pointed me to ntfsclone) |
| 19:24.32 | an0 | jelly-home: k one sec |
| 19:24.33 | jaakkos | karlpinc: ntfsclone should do |
| 19:25.02 | abrotman | betta_y_omega: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:25.09 | an0 | jelly-home: i dont have hpacucli, should I install it? |
| 19:25.32 | abrotman | betta_y_omega: oh, maybe not |
| 19:25.43 | abrotman | wonders what is in beta |
| 19:25.45 | karlpinc | jaakkos: I can create a single file and use that to restore? (I want to wipe a drive and restore content. The goal here is to remove the MS Logical Disk Management so I can dual boot.) |
| 19:25.48 | nsadmin | karlpinc: content? I'd say yes |
| 19:25.58 | nsadmin | but NOT metadata' |
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| 19:26.51 | jaakkos | nsadmin: ntfsclone should clone everything |
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| 19:27.08 | karlpinc | jaakkos: (I think he's answering my original question.) |
| 19:27.19 | nsadmin | right, never heard of that :) I was commenting on tar |
| 19:27.26 | jaakkos | note that ntfsrestore requries the target block device to be big enough |
| 19:27.34 | jelly-home | an0: yes! |
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| 19:27.36 | jaakkos | i mean, ntfsclone's restore |
| 19:28.06 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell an0 about proliant sources.list |
| 19:28.06 | jaakkos | nsadmin: also, the partiton's starting sector must match if you are going to boot windows from it |
| 19:28.06 | karlpinc | jaakkos: Big enough for the ntfs content or big enough for the original fs? |
| 19:28.20 | jaakkos | karlpinc: as big as the original fs |
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| 19:28.41 | mimosaliquido | why debian unstable is still with mysql5.1 instead of using mysql5.5? |
| 19:28.43 | jaakkos | ie., bigger than content. ntfsclone should create an exact clone. |
| 19:28.55 | karlpinc | jaakkos: That sucks. Meet me in #debian-offtopic to discuss ways to get rid of MS LDM? |
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| 19:29.28 | karlpinc | jaakkos: Oh. Bigger than content is fine. (Although booting is going to be wack.) |
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| 19:30.17 | abrotman | mimosaliquido: perhaps chekc the BTS, the maintainer may have said why |
| 19:30.29 | betta_y_omega | p7zip-full_9.04~dfsg.1-1_amd64.deb is buggy, when it creates gzip files, their CRC are invalid (in 64-bit OS). |
| 19:30.38 | albech | when dublicating a virtual machine, how do i then rebuild ssh cerficates on the new machine to ensure that the two machines are different? |
| 19:30.52 | karlpinc | !tell albech about aptitude clone |
| 19:31.54 | karlpinc | albech: You probably want uuids to be different also, and so forth. Better to do an <aptitude clone> and then copy config files as needed. |
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| 19:32.10 | karlpinc | albech: Not that I've done it. |
| 19:32.43 | albech | karlpinc, its really a debian template that i have made for my xen server and when i spin up new VMs from this template i want to ensure they their public keys are not identical |
| 19:33.24 | abrotman | betta_y_omega: tried with a different data set? |
| 19:33.41 | karlpinc | albech: My inclination is that that way is going to get you subtle problems. Better to have obvious problems that are easy to fix. |
| 19:33.48 | nsadmin | albech, so write a script you run after clone to make new keys |
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| 19:34.31 | adminewb | After looking at the debian java wiki, I'm even more bewildered; how can I set up a java plugin for iceweasel on 6.0.2, amd64? openjdk's runtime, java6 update 18 says it wants to be newer, update 26. Can't find any such animal. What should I do? |
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| 19:35.12 | jelly-home | adminewb: get eeeevil non-free sun-java6-plugin |
| 19:35.36 | adminewb | jelly-home, oh man, even though Oracle gobbled up Sun? |
| 19:35.39 | jelly-home | ,versions sun-java6-plugin --arch amd64 |
| 19:35.40 | judd | Package sun-java6-plugin on amd64 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates/non-free: 6-26-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.26-0squeeze1; sid/non-free: 6.26-1; wheezy/non-free: 6.26-1 |
| 19:35.53 | jelly-home | see it says "26" in the version |
| 19:36.01 | adminewb | will the sun plugin talk to the openjdk runtime? |
| 19:36.12 | jelly-home | no, it will to its own runtime |
| 19:36.17 | jelly-home | talk |
| 19:36.18 | betta_y_omega | abrotman, yes, i tried different data set, and same failure. |
| 19:36.23 | adminewb | I see |
| 19:36.29 | DammitJim | silly question... why is it that on a usb drive, I can mount something like /dev/sdb and I don't have to have a number (i.e. /dev/sdb1) ? |
| 19:36.42 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell adminewb about non-free |
| 19:36.44 | albech | join #xen |
| 19:37.17 | jelly-home | adminewb: if a tool is anal enough to require an exact version of runtime, it probably expects you to run the standard jvm anyway |
| 19:37.29 | adminewb | so far I'm using this old plugin to get some DjVu content through web viewer, which so far hasn't crashed or anything |
| 19:37.30 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: because the filesystem can span the whole device instead of a partition |
| 19:37.31 | zykotick9 | DammitJim, that depends on the USB drive, most will "usually" have partitions |
| 19:37.36 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell adminewb about non-free sources |
| 19:37.50 | adminewb | will I be safe ignoring its pleas to update to 26? |
| 19:37.50 | DammitJim | oh ok, I was starting to freak out about my phone's USB storage |
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| 19:37.52 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 19:38.43 | abrotman | betta_y_omega: checked the BTS? |
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| 19:39.02 | betta_y_omega | abrotman, what's BTS? |
| 19:39.12 | mjt | bug tracking system |
| 19:39.12 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 19:39.12 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 19:39.33 | nsadmin | yeeeahh, that. |
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| 19:39.34 | abrotman | how do people get on unstable without knowing the BTS? |
| 19:39.48 | nsadmin | wrong meds |
| 19:39.57 | jelly-home | bad hair day |
| 19:40.01 | abrotman | betta_y_omega: i'd imagine your bug could also be caused by bad RAM |
| 19:40.32 | adminewb | thanks jelly-home, I'm still mystified how I can tell whether it really matters if I update to latest sun java or use an older free alternate |
| 19:40.47 | karsten | abrotman: Look at the bright side. Unstable's a great discovery tool for the BTS. |
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| 19:40.54 | betta_y_omega | abrotman, bad RAM? weird!? |
| 19:41.02 | abrotman | wonders if it should be vice-versa |
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| 19:41.40 | nsadmin | the bug caused bad ram?!~ |
| 19:41.51 | karsten | abrotman: Perhaps an installation task should be filing a bug or entering some known value froma bug report by using the BTS before sid/experimental will install / upgrade. |
| 19:43.08 | nsadmin | betta_y_omega, sid is a pretty good rollercoaster... if you feel adventurous and you like the ride, it can be cool |
| 19:43.10 | zykotick9 | Does mounting something from fstab inside a user's home directory (in Gnome) always result in an icon on the Desktop? Usually fstab mounting seems to prevent these desktop icons. |
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| 19:43.32 | betta_y_omega | 7za a -tgzip -mx=9 foobar.gz foobar ; gzip -vt foobar.gz --> gzip: foobar.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error |
| 19:43.55 | betta_y_omega | rm -f foobar.gz ; gzip -9 foobar ; gzip -vt foobar.gz --> foobar.gz: OK |
| 19:44.08 | nsadmin | and, we like to make sure people can handle things |
| 19:44.15 | jelly-home | adminewb: it's a check for known vulnerabilities in the jvm, and judged solely by the version number |
| 19:44.25 | karsten | betta_y_omega: If you want newish without all the toy breakage sid implies, consider first, in order, using backports on stable, or testing. |
| 19:44.53 | betta_y_omega | i'm using wheezy suite |
| 19:45.18 | Pinchiukas | If I want a bone stock bare squeeze on EC2, how do I find the right AMI image? |
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| 19:46.07 | nsadmin | Pinchiukas, you mean you want a minimal install? |
| 19:46.21 | Pinchiukas | Yeah. |
| 19:46.28 | karlpinc | !tell betta_y_omega about overview |
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| 19:48.28 | twobitsprite | Pinchiukas: how bare bones? the basic install without any package groups selected is pretty close to as bare as you can get... in fact, if you uncheck the "base system" package group, I'm not even sure if you have enough installed for it to be usable |
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| 19:48.43 | Kartagis | hi |
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| 19:49.16 | twobitsprite | Pinchiukas: however, I don't know what EC2 or AMI are, so you might mean something else |
| 19:49.40 | Kartagis | in Users and Groups dialog, Don't ask password checkbox is grayed out. how can I enable it? |
| 19:50.44 | an0 | jelly-home: I ran the command dpkg gave me but got an error near the end. "W: Conflicting distrobutionâ¦" |
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| 19:51.10 | an0 | W: Conflicting distribution: http://downloads.linux.hp.com stable/current Release (expected stable but got ) |
| 19:51.25 | Pinchiukas | twobitsprite: virtual machine images on Amazon. :) |
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| 19:51.32 | twobitsprite | Pinchiukas: ahh |
| 19:51.39 | Pinchiukas | Can't find one made by someone that I think I can trust. |
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| 19:51.49 | Pinchiukas | Afaik the images can be made by anyone. |
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| 19:52.58 | x29a | hi there, im trying to crosscompile (qtsdk, maemo, arm target) an application for my n900 and pack it with the sdk. i needed to copy in some new libs (moved the .so files) but now the process claims: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found - how could i generate that info for the libs? |
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| 19:54.09 | jelly-home | an0: a W: is okay and expected, HP's repos are slightly broken |
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| 19:54.35 | an0 | jelly-home: I see. The commands you wanted me to run still aren't installed. |
| 19:54.38 | bernhard2 | how can i check which version of dovecot i have installed. ? |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | bernhard2: dpkg -l "dovecot*" |
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| 19:55.22 | jelly-home | an0: no they wouln't be, they just add HP's repo with Proliant related tools to apt configuration. There ought to be an hpacucli package available for install now, however. |
| 19:55.35 | an0 | Oh, okay. Let me try. |
| 19:55.52 | an0 | Got it! Running the commands. |
| 19:56.00 | jelly-home | an0: this is THE tool to view status and configure the raid controller. |
| 19:56.38 | jelly-home | (in models that have a SmartArray controller that is) |
| 19:57.26 | an0 | http://pastebin.com/fwjPG6pm |
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| 20:00.22 | blah5600119 | Hi, I just installed debian testing from netinst cd. the installer let me choose a kernel. I picked linux-image-amd64 (I thought this would probably be the most appropriate/generic/vanilla one for me). Now I see that it pulled the 3.0.0+39 version. This version is apparently built with Xen support. |
| 20:00.54 | blah5600119 | Now I have a line in my /etc/inittab that spawns a getty on hvc0 |
| 20:01.06 | blah5600119 | however I am not running on/with xen |
| 20:01.38 | blah5600119 | Did I pick the wrong kernel? |
| 20:01.44 | daemonkeeper | If you want Xen, you need the hypervisor as well. |
| 20:01.51 | blah5600119 | I don't want xen |
| 20:02.02 | blah5600119 | but there is no 3.0.0 kernel without xen |
| 20:02.03 | daemonkeeper | 3.0 includes Xen support. |
| 20:02.08 | daemonkeeper | It comes out of the box. |
| 20:02.11 | blah5600119 | and installing this 3.0 kernel messed up the inittab |
| 20:02.21 | daemonkeeper | Ignore it, if you don't need it. Its not Xen's fault. |
| 20:02.23 | blah5600119 | so should I install 2.6.x? |
| 20:02.28 | daemonkeeper | Whatever your problem is. |
| 20:02.37 | daemonkeeper | Its not related to Xen. |
| 20:03.06 | blah5600119 | Well, I am constantly getting errors because inittab wants to respawn getty on hvc0 |
| 20:03.25 | abrotman | blah5600119: there is no 2.6.x in testing anymore i do not think .. |
| 20:03.59 | blah5600119 | ah, yes it is a dummy package, sorry |
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| 20:04.44 | daemonkeeper | Spawning getty on hvc0 is not wrong. Maybe something went wrong with your setup. |
| 20:05.06 | babilen | blah5600119: Could it be related to "co:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty hvc0 9600 linux" in your inittab? Does it go away if you comment that? |
| 20:05.13 | blah5600119 | I have no hvc0 (because I am not running with Xen?) |
| 20:05.32 | daemonkeeper | You have hvc0, its the virtual terminal all virtual machines use these days. |
| 20:05.42 | daemonkeeper | Including, but not limited to Xen. |
| 20:05.54 | blah5600119 | yes that line, it probably will, however -- should I be afraid that other config files are now also messed up? |
| 20:06.03 | daemonkeeper | Anyway, its not a problem, its a side-effect |
| 20:06.11 | daemonkeeper | If that is not working for you, I mean. |
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| 20:06.41 | babilen | fwiw -- I've seen that "INIT: Id "co" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" message as well |
| 20:06.59 | babilen | blah5600119: If that is indeed the message you are referring to |
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| 20:07.31 | blah5600119 | yes I am getting this message |
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| 20:08.40 | babilen | !dbugs 636846 |
| 20:08.44 | dpkg | DONE:#636846:S[util-linux] util-linux: [getty] debian init: Id "co" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes (); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 10:45:02 UTC [] |
| 20:08.58 | babilen | blah5600119: Check that ^^^ bug |
| 20:09.13 | blah5600119 | this was closed duh? |
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| 20:10.17 | babilen | apparently so :-/ |
| 20:10.34 | blah5600119 | well maybe somebody could reopen that, I thinkt the installer should just ask, wether the user runs with virtualisation or not and edit inittab accordingly |
| 20:11.34 | babilen | So, could you comment that and run "init q" -- is it OK then? |
| 20:11.53 | blah5600119 | yes it looks ok, no more messages |
| 20:12.46 | Kartagis | in Users and Groups dialog, Don't ask password checkbox is grayed out. how can I enable it? |
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| 20:14.00 | izepstan3 | hello someone know what is going on if my apache produces cookies like 0c3af6f178646b61e5ad8711c24dffcc920a0f7ds%3A5%3A%22de_de%22%3B instead of de_de? |
| 20:14.22 | izepstan3 | running on debian |
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| 20:17.30 | blah5600119 | ok thank you ciao |
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| 20:17.42 | raptor67682 | hello world. Anyone knows how to get back a screen session into X11 which has been started from TTY? |
| 20:18.09 | izepstan3 | anyone? |
| 20:18.44 | babilen | izepstan3: try #httpd |
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| 20:19.03 | izepstan3 | Cannot send to channel (#httpd) |
| 20:19.26 | x29a | raptor67682: can you see it with screen -ls? |
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| 20:20.21 | babilen | raptor67682: screen -r ? |
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| 20:20.37 | ompaul | izepstan3: perhaps it is the case you must be registered and identified before you can speak in that channel |
| 20:20.58 | niman | hi every one when try to make debian live how can set for runnig one GTK program alternative gnome ? |
| 20:21.35 | raptor67682 | I start a program using "screen -d -m application" into /etc/rc.local. Then under X11, after reboot, it says errors to read /dev/ although I use : "screen -D -r" |
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| 20:22.26 | ghanima | hello all |
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| 20:22.41 | ghanima | in /etc/hosts is it multiple have multiple IP addresses associated with one hosts entry |
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| 20:23.01 | ghanima | I've done a google search and their doesn't seem to be any clear examples |
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| 20:24.02 | troutwine | I'm trying to 'gpg --gen-key' but the process keeps hanging by saying there aren't enough random bytes available, lacking 280. I've got another shell on the same machine factoring the epoch seconds and this has been going for five minutes. What else can I do to generate random bytes for gpg? |
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| 20:24.20 | izepstan | test |
| 20:24.40 | troutwine | It's an EC2 machine, if that matters at all. |
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| 20:25.00 | troutwine | thinks getting reprepro setup has been surprisingly frustrating. |
| 20:25.01 | x29a | ghanima: https://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.questions/browse_thread/thread/323528cfbc899190/45667f0a1ae31120%2345667f0a1ae31120?sa=X&oi=groupsr&start=0&num=2&hl=en |
| 20:25.06 | jelly-home | troutwine: network traffic. disk io. |
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| 20:25.34 | jelly-home | troutwine: buy an Entropy Key oh wait EC2 |
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| 20:25.44 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:25.46 | troutwine | jelly-home: Got both in the epoch second factoring. Saves to disk, tails the result and sends it over ssh to me remotely. |
| 20:25.53 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.06 | troutwine | Agiofws: Seen xmonad? |
| 20:26.21 | Agiofws | no |
| 20:26.29 | troutwine | jelly-home: Ah, hmm. gpg just finished up. That was a hard won 280 bytes. |
| 20:26.53 | troutwine | Agiofws: Give it a look. |
| 20:27.11 | Agiofws | ok |
| 20:27.14 | Agiofws | and thank you |
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| 20:27.22 | Agiofws | can i use it with xfce4 ? |
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| 20:27.32 | troutwine | Agiofws: No problem. Good luck to you. |
| 20:27.33 | Agiofws | or does xfce4 come with its OWN wm ? |
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| 20:28.16 | blue_sky | is there a permissions option I can set so that files created in a directory are automatically executable? |
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| 20:28.40 | jelly-home | Agiofws: it does come with xfwm4 which can be replaced |
| 20:28.41 | troutwine | Agiofws: No idea. I use X11 to cram more terminals on the screen because I'm not overly fond of tmux. |
| 20:28.47 | tripelb | Hi... anyone know if some linux will run on a old nokia 770 tablet? Thanks. |
| 20:28.53 | pzn | is there any way to set the timezone of dates/times shown in "ls -l" command? |
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| 20:29.17 | tripelb | There's an empty #nokia-tablet group, cept for me |
| 20:29.21 | jhutchins_lt | !timezone |
| 20:29.21 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 20:29.41 | mns | Agiofws: http://www.cattlegrid.info/blog/2009/08/xfce-and-xmonad-under-gentoo-l.html |
| 20:29.49 | Kartagis | how can I dpkg -i stuff witth its dependencies? |
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| 20:30.16 | mns | that should help with getting xmonad to work with xfce4. I use a tiling window manager called stumpwm. I dont use a desktop at all |
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| 20:30.33 | pzn | jhutchins_lt: don't want a system wide timezone change. server is in another timezone, for me it is better to see "ls -l" output in my timezone(not server timezone) |
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| 20:31.40 | iderik | I changed my xorg.conf and now X wont start. How can I enter a shell before X is starting? I want to change to my backup conf |
| 20:31.54 | blue_sky | pzn: all file times are from epoch, local timezone differences are calculated when ls displays time... IIRC |
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| 20:33.36 | bernhard2 | trying to make exim4 dovecot work with TLS but receive this message when i test it: Host did not advertise STARTTLS |
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| 20:34.24 | phaidros | I cant find much on searching, but it seems the stable kirkwood kernel doesnt have xfs filesystem enabled .. what to do? |
| 20:34.31 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: I'm not sure that's possible, but I'm not sure it isn't. Setting the timezone for an individual user in console. Hmm..... |
| 20:34.47 | pzn | blue_sky, jhutchins_lt: found how to do it: TZ=America/Sao_Paulo ls -ltr |
| 20:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: Woot! You can set that in your shell! |
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| 20:35.38 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, I also didn't know... but googleing with the right keywords helped me |
| 20:35.48 | blue_sky | pzn: I love living where local time is zulu time... all so simple... and I dont' work outside the TZ :) ... maybe I'm restricting my employment opportunties. |
| 20:36.00 | an0 | jelly-home: I posted the link, btw. Here it is again. Let me know what you think. http://pastebin.com/fwjPG6pm |
| 20:36.02 | babilen | Kartagis: You can't -- "apt-get install -f" might take care of some, but you generally want to use "apt-get install PKG" or "aptitude install PKG" |
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| 20:36.44 | jelly-home | an0: so you have a) old firmware and b) three disks, each in its own "array" |
| 20:37.01 | an0 | jelly-home: That's how I read it too. |
| 20:37.15 | jelly-home | lines 10-31, right |
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| 20:37.35 | jhutchins_lt | blue_sky: Well, you could be here with temperatures in the 40's (C). |
| 20:37.40 | an0 | jelly-home: so just for information's sake, let's say I removed the second and third drive, the first would function on it's own. |
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| 20:37.50 | Kartagis | babilen: I can't use aptitude at this point because what I want to install is newer than the package in the repo |
| 20:37.54 | an0 | jelly-home: it wouldnt be as if i split up drives in the same striped array, correct? |
| 20:37.59 | Kartagis | newr version that is |
| 20:38.22 | garotosopa | Hi. Can I setup a custom view in aptitude so that it's always there? |
| 20:38.27 | babilen | Kartagis: Please tell me what you are trying to achieve |
| 20:38.30 | jelly-home | an0: yes, but I think the controller would whine at boot about arrays completely lost |
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| 20:38.55 | jelly-home | an0: if the machine is not in production, burn the latest firmware cd and let it flash whatever it can |
| 20:39.13 | an0 | jelly-home: it is in production, unfortunately. |
| 20:39.22 | RichardC | anyone else experiencing problems when installing flashplugin-nonfree in wheezy? |
| 20:39.34 | jelly-home | an0: with that array configuration? meh |
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| 20:39.39 | an0 | jelly-home: how does that process work, though? I can bring it down sometime soon. |
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| 20:40.01 | an0 | jelly-home: Yeah, no one else but me is around to do this stuff. I may not be the best, but I try xD |
| 20:40.03 | Kartagis | babilen: when I did apt-get autoremove, all the packages needed by kvirc were removed, so dpkg -i wouldn't get them back. apt-get -f install did the trick tho |
| 20:40.08 | jelly-home | an0: somewhat like "boot the cd, click next next next" |
| 20:40.15 | Kartagis | in Users and Groups dialog, Don't ask password checkbox is grayed out. how can I enable it? |
| 20:40.26 | an0 | jelly-home: Oh, okay. Can I get the disk from HP? |
| 20:40.36 | jelly-home | an0: yes |
| 20:40.40 | RichardC | ERROR: wget failed to download http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 20:40.51 | an0 | jelly-home: whoops, dumb question. I re-read the stuff I pastebinned. |
| 20:41.01 | jelly-home | an0: hunt for your machine model on hp.com, look at software and support pages |
| 20:41.20 | Kartagis | okay I need to ih t |
| 20:41.26 | Kartagis | hit the sack |
| 20:41.29 | Kartagis | bbl |
| 20:41.31 | jelly-home | an0: eg. "DL360 G6" or something similar |
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| 20:42.02 | an0 | jelly-home: right, I have that info. So.. is it hurting anything to have the first drive configured this way? If so, can I remove the array without data loss? |
| 20:42.09 | an0 | jelly-home: this server does not need RAID! |
| 20:42.14 | babilen | Kartagis: I have the feeling that you are doing something wrong -- Did you install kvirc from a different Debian release? Which? And which are you running? |
| 20:42.48 | jelly-home | an0: that's silly talk |
| 20:43.11 | jelly-home | an0: you at least need a raid1 for OS |
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| 20:43.16 | betta_y_omega | p7zip-full_9.20.1~dfsg.1-3_amd64.deb is also buggy, same failure. |
| 20:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: ? |
| 20:43.40 | an0 | jelly-home: xD it really doesnt. |
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| 20:43.50 | jhutchins_lt | Raid is just one more thing to go wrong. |
| 20:43.58 | jelly-home | an0: why does it have a hw raid controller then! |
| 20:44.31 | an0 | jelly-home: built-in, just bought the machine because it was a great deal and maybe one day we'll use it for something more important. |
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| 20:45.11 | jelly-home | an0: indeed. so when you can, leave 2 or 3 disks in there, and set up a raid1, or a raid1 with a hot spare, and call it a day |
| 20:45.38 | jelly-home | an0: it _might_ be possible to nuke arrays B and C and convert A to raid1 without losing data on that first disk |
| 20:46.02 | jelly-home | an0: and the rebuild is done by the controller, so there's little downtime |
| 20:46.09 | an0 | jelly-home: I could handle a raid 1 array and a free disk for other things.. |
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| 20:46.30 | jelly-home | an0: what's a raid without a hot spare! |
| 20:46.46 | an0 | jelly-home: now im using all my drives! |
| 20:47.02 | jelly-home | yeah, and what happens when a disk dies? |
| 20:47.18 | an0 | jelly-home: i shrug and carry on living my life |
| 20:47.30 | betta_y_omega | 7za t foobar.gz --> Testing foobar Everyrhing is Ok. <--- what weird!!! (the CRC calculation that's the same for creating and testing is wrong) |
| 20:47.39 | jelly-home | an0: and have to go fix that machine instead of doing something nicer |
| 20:48.13 | an0 | jelly-home: you'd be right if this machine was important in some way. ;) |
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| 20:48.33 | jelly-home | an0: if it's not important, shut it down -- it wastes electricity |
| 20:48.42 | an0 | jelly-home: the most valuable thing it has to offer is being a teaching tool for me to learn on |
| 20:48.46 | philipballew | can someone help me get wifi working on my lxde install? |
| 20:49.11 | jelly-home | an0: now you can learn to grow SmartArray raid arrays! |
| 20:49.20 | an0 | jelly-home: w00t! |
| 20:49.34 | babilen | philipballew: What is the problem? |
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| 20:50.04 | jelly-home | an0: also, it might have iLO, which enables you to access console (or serial port) remotely, remotely power-cycle the machine, and other neat stuff |
| 20:50.09 | Cueball | If I want to add an IPv6 address to /etc/network/interfaces to my eth0 can I just add eth0 twice? One with inet one with inet6? |
| 20:50.20 | an0 | jelly-home: i think it does. |
| 20:50.34 | jelly-home | an0: configure and learn to use that |
| 20:50.39 | Cueball | Also is it possible to add multiple addresses? |
| 20:50.40 | philipballew | babilen, well i installed a comand line system then installed lxde. then installed wicd. now thats not working and i either need to get that working or install nm |
| 20:51.11 | an0 | jelly-home: hypothetically, if i wanted to not have raid, could I effectively rsync the disk contents to another one of the drives, then remove raid on the first one and copy back? |
| 20:51.12 | jelly-home | an0: if all your machines are like that, you never have to go to the datacenter |
| 20:51.18 | thewanderer1 | Cueball: yes, you add eth0 twice as you said... about multiple addresses, I have no idea, but you almost certainly do not need that. |
| 20:51.30 | an0 | jelly-home: true |
| 20:51.39 | jelly-home | an0: you already don't have raid. |
| 20:51.42 | th0r | philipballew: stick with wicd |
| 20:51.53 | th0r | philipballew: what wifi card do you have? |
| 20:51.56 | babilen | philipballew: Is your device working properly? (i.e. can you see the interface in "ifconfig -a" does it have wireless extensions in "iwconfig") |
| 20:52.04 | an0 | jelly-home: well i guess not, but i dont like that it's still part of an array. guess it doesnt really make a difference? |
| 20:52.08 | philipballew | th0r, an airport one bron an ibook |
| 20:52.17 | jhutchins_lt | th0r: wicd doesn't work with some cards. |
| 20:52.19 | jelly-home | an0: the current config is the closest to "not have raid" you can do with a SmartArray |
| 20:52.23 | babilen | philipballew: It might also help to know which device you have exactly, please paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" |
| 20:52.34 | jelly-home | an0: you can't get direct access to disks |
| 20:52.37 | philipballew | yeah. i had to ifconfig eth1 up then in wicd i saw all my interfaces |
| 20:52.46 | an0 | jelly-home: so should i just mount the other two? |
| 20:52.49 | philipballew | alright. hold on 1 sec |
| 20:52.52 | th0r | jhutchins_lt: didn't know that...but have had much better luck with wicd than nm. But for an aircard....might well be the case |
| 20:53.09 | jelly-home | an0: mount? didn't you say you were using them already |
| 20:53.22 | an0 | jelly-home: thats what i wanted to find out |
| 20:53.22 | an0 | t |
| 20:53.27 | jelly-home | an0: "not mounted" doesn't sound like being used |
| 20:53.28 | babilen | philipballew: That is IIRC a broadcom card that requires firmware -- IIRC you need to install the firmware-b43legacy-installer package |
| 20:53.47 | babilen | philipballew: But lets see the lspci output and the answer to my earlier questions first. |
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| 20:54.01 | philipballew | alright. thanks babilen |
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| 20:54.05 | an0 | they don't show up in df -h, so i assume they arent mounted |
| 20:54.18 | an0 | jelly-home: but i thought that might be because of a raid array |
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| 20:55.32 | jelly-home | an0: uh, disks in linux need to be partitioned (or used by lvm or similar) and filesystems created on the partitions. you can only mount valid filesystems. |
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| 20:56.01 | jelly-home | an0: /dev/cciss/c0d1 and /dev/cciss/c0d2 are likely free to use |
| 20:56.07 | philipballew | babilen, your comand isnt working well so im gonna pastbin all lspci as its not long at all |
| 20:56.11 | babilen | philipballew: Do you have a working network connection on your iBook right now? Is it an iBook G4? |
| 20:56.27 | an0 | jelly-home: k |
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| 20:56.38 | babilen | philipballew: Sure, paste it to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 20:56.55 | philipballew | well im connected via cat5 now |
| 20:57.29 | betta_y_omega | can anyone confirm this failure in 64-bit OS? 7za a -tgzip -mx=9 foobar.gz foobar ; 7za t foobar.gz ; gzip -vt foobar.gz --> Testing foobar Everything OK ; gzip: foobar.gz: invalid compressed data--crc error |
| 20:57.42 | twobitsprite | I hate freeradius |
| 20:58.06 | nsadmin | then buy something :) |
| 20:58.08 | twobitsprite | anyone manage to get freeradius to work with LDAP? I can't find any docs which seem to be written in the past 5 years |
| 20:58.36 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: like microsoft's radius server? bleh |
| 20:58.54 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: yes but it wasn't me that configured the thing |
| 20:59.03 | an0 | jelly-home: afk thanks for the help |
| 20:59.09 | nsadmin | I dunno... well, does freeradius let you alter it? |
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| 20:59.32 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: well, it's open source if that's what you mean |
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| 20:59.52 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 20:59.53 | Cueball | thewanderer1: Thanks :) |
| 21:00.05 | nsadmin | so, what do you hate about it? |
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| 21:00.24 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: the problem isn't necessarily the program (although I have some gripes about it's error messages)... the problem is the documentation |
| 21:00.49 | twobitsprite | i.e., I just pulled an example config straight from the docs, and the server complains about syntax errors |
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| 21:01.31 | nsadmin | twobitsprite, can that be fixed? |
| 21:01.43 | twobitsprite | nsadmin: If I knew what the correct syntax was! :) |
| 21:03.37 | twobitsprite | ahh, I think I managed to guess the problem... the example config has a comment which isn't commented out |
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| 21:04.10 | twobitsprite | but I now have a new error |
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| 21:05.07 | nsadmin | a -new- error... |
| 21:05.14 | nsadmin | a new -error-... |
| 21:05.25 | twobitsprite | yep... -a- -new- -error- :P |
| 21:05.28 | philipballew | babilen, http://pastebin.com/JXAHX91b |
| 21:05.36 | babilen | philipballew: Thanks |
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| 21:05.48 | twobitsprite | /etc/freeradius/users[50]: Parse error (check) for entry DEFAULT: Unknown value LDAP for attribute Auth-Type |
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| 21:07.23 | philipballew | babilen, I hope that is not to much but thought you might wanna see the kernal drivers in use |
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| 21:07.29 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: only have LDAP in /etc/freeradius/eap.conf: auth_type = LDAP |
| 21:07.31 | babilen | philipballew: I don't see a wifi adaptor at all |
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| 21:08.11 | philipballew | i am picking up wifi networks with wcid bab |
| 21:08.14 | philipballew | babilen, |
| 21:08.15 | babilen | philipballew: The output of "lspci -nn" is typically preferred .. or "lspci -knn" if you want to show the modules in use. Is it an iBook G4? |
| 21:08.34 | philipballew | its an ibook how can i tell with G it is? |
| 21:08.46 | philipballew | just got it used not long ago |
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| 21:09.49 | babilen | philipballew: Hmm, do you see your wifi adaptor in "lsusb" ? -- Has it written G4 on it? Is it a powerpc? How did you use the wifi adaptor? Can you paste the output of "ifconfig -a" "iwconfig" and can you see network when you run "iwlist IFACE scan" ? (replace IFACE with the interface in questions) |
| 21:10.31 | babilen | philipballew: And please use http://paste.debian.net as pastebin.com asks for captchas once in a while and I really don't want to enter those. |
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| 21:11.52 | nsadmin | babilen, capthas for the -viewing- party? |
| 21:11.54 | philipballew | alright. sorry, my bad. the wifi card it right under the keybord. its easy to accsess |
| 21:12.17 | babilen | nsadmin: yes |
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| 21:13.07 | babilen | philipballew: Noo, don't access the ahrdware. I am talking about your iBook -- IIRC there were some original ones with G3 and some newer ones with G4 -- No idea about their intel stuff. |
| 21:14.13 | philipballew | alright. let me post the output here in a sec |
| 21:14.47 | dizopsin | hi... i created a debian package of some software for personal use (it works, but certainly doesn't meet debian standards yet). now i noticed that there is an RFP for that software. i have been reading various documents about the package maintenance process but i'm not entirely sure what the best next step would be if i wanted to offer help. |
| 21:14.53 | dizopsin | maybe i should contact the current owner of the rfp bug? |
| 21:14.55 | philipballew | debian paste isnt letting me paste here. |
| 21:15.16 | babilen | sure, throw in "lsusb" for fun ... But as I mentioned in the beginning. If this is a 2003/2004/.. iBook you probably have a broadcom card in there that needs the -legacy- firmware. |
| 21:15.29 | babilen | philipballew: Hmm? You can't paste to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 21:15.44 | philipballew | no, it sayd invaled characters everytime |
| 21:15.59 | philipballew | i can just apt-get the new drivers for kicks |
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| 21:16.20 | babilen | philipballew: Ok, then paste it somewhere else -- No idea why http://paste.debian.net is not working. |
| 21:16.54 | thewanderer1 | dizopsin: you can contact the owner of the RFP, but if you want to be serious about having it included, I advise that you read the new maintainers' guide and maybe ask for help in #debian-mentors |
| 21:17.16 | philipballew | pasthttp://pastebin.com/f2Tg9vMj babilen |
| 21:17.18 | thewanderer1 | also, #debian-mentors is on irc.debian.org now |
| 21:17.26 | bernhard2 | Configured 03_exim4-config_tlsoptions but when i restart exim4 and check with exim4 -bP | grep tls_ |
| 21:17.27 | bernhard2 | i get this output.. http://pastebin.com/VYwTEihg when i test get this message Host did not advertise STARTTLS |
| 21:17.39 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: does it replace or suppliment the eap { } section? |
| 21:18.14 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: my eap.conf doesn't even have an Auth-Type declaration |
| 21:18.15 | dizopsin | thewanderer1: i'll check out that server, thanks! |
| 21:18.16 | babilen | philipballew: What about "iwconfig" and can you run "iwlist eth1 scan" ? When did you use the wifi adaptor? How? |
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| 21:18.53 | philipballew | babilen, i had a previous install of just a cli system and had wifi on there |
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| 21:19.28 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: I don't have any idea how the thing works. There's also a bunch of stuff included from /etc/freeradius/modules/ |
| 21:20.08 | babilen | philipballew: Install of what? Is the device listed in "iwconfig" and can you see networks with iwlist? I am almost sure that this is an iBook G3 (ppc) - is that correct? |
| 21:20.42 | philipballew | i think. it had 128 mb ram before i upgraded |
| 21:20.47 | philipballew | babilen, ^ |
| 21:21.22 | philipballew | http://pastebin.com/jAueEx2u babilen |
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| 21:21.36 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: http://paste.debian.net/126543/ |
| 21:21.44 | babilen | Ok, can you see networks when you run "iwlist eth1 scan" ? |
| 21:23.07 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: I see... I also see there's an /etc/freeradius/modules/ldap, which seems to have the ldap section I replicated from the docs... but I'm not sure how those are included |
| 21:23.17 | philipballew | it says device or resorce busy babilen . maybe wicd is using it |
| 21:23.23 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: does your radiusd.conf file explicitely include anything for ldap? |
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| 21:24.01 | babilen | philipballew: Ok, could you configure wicd to use "eth1" not something like "wlan0" or whatever it is configured to use now. |
| 21:24.32 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: it includes a whole directory of /e/f/modules/ |
| 21:24.48 | philipballew | http://pastebin.com/skMPc3ZX babilen |
| 21:24.57 | philipballew | i did. i told wicd to scan on eth1 |
| 21:25.07 | philipballew | and tHAT WAS YESTERDAY BAB |
| 21:25.13 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: hmm... mine doesn't include anything from there... mind pasting that line? |
| 21:25.14 | babilen | ok |
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| 21:25.38 | LolTheGame | ohai |
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| 21:25.45 | philipballew | babilen, i might have a bad driver. not sure |
| 21:25.54 | twobitsprite | LolTheGame: go back to 4chan |
| 21:26.03 | babilen | philipballew: I believe you -- Please stop wicd (service wicd stop) and run "ifconfig eth1 down ; ifconfig eth1 up ; iwconfig eth1 ; iwlist eth1 scan" |
| 21:26.10 | LolTheGame | twobitsprite nou |
| 21:26.14 | mace | hi - i'm having a bit of a wierd security issue: on a pretty standard share (guest ok=no, read only=no, browsable=yes), linux cifs clients can delete files which the really shouldn't have permissions for |
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| 21:26.19 | mace | running samba 3.5.10 from debian squeeze backports |
| 21:26.20 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: $INCLUDE ${confdir}/modules/ in modules { } |
| 21:26.27 | mace | thoughts/suggestions on things to check/rule out? have looked through the changelogs, nothing obvious seen |
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| 21:26.48 | babilen | philipballew: And please: Is your computer an iBook from like 2003 (i.e. an iBook G3) ? Can you see the wifi adaptor in lsusb? |
| 21:26.53 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: ahh... yep, mine has that too |
| 21:27.06 | twobitsprite | ok, let me try putting the Auth-Type line from your eap.conf in mine.. |
| 21:27.09 | betta_y_omega | thanks, solved, the bug is due to older version of gzip (1.3.12), so that gzip (1.4) solved this issue of data crc error. |
| 21:27.45 | bernhard2 | can anyone check my exim4 issue above.. |
| 21:27.58 | babilen | philipballew: And as I said: You will most likely need firmware for that device to work. What was your other installation where it worked? (the cli one) How did it work? |
| 21:28.32 | philipballew | i installed using the wifi with a wep network. it did at all for me. but it was pretty straight forword babilen |
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| 21:28.42 | babilen | philipballew: Assuming that you indeed have an iBook G3/G4 with one of the older broadcom cards (supported by b43 module) |
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| 21:29.02 | babilen | philipballew: when? this installation? |
| 21:29.54 | babilen | philipballew: Ok, I'll just wait for all my questions to be answered and until you've pasted the output of the commands above (the ifconf ... + lsusb + ...) |
| 21:30.23 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: I guess the most useful bit is the configured and enabled virtual host: http://paste.debian.net/126545/, followed by ldap.attrmap and modules/ldap |
| 21:30.50 | babilen | philipballew: It might also very well be that wicd does not work with that card, which is why it is of particular interest if iwlist works |
| 21:30.56 | nsadmin | philipballew, at least -try- to make it fun for him to help you... |
| 21:31.02 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: ahh... yeah I was just looking through those |
| 21:32.00 | philipballew | babilen, haha. its hard with 2 laptops you on my laptop and the ppc on the other |
| 21:32.27 | babilen | ... so it is a ppc! |
| 21:33.30 | philipballew | http://pastebin.com/index/bywmMLJH babilen ppc is cool the wii runs with ppc |
| 21:33.32 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: modules/ldap http://paste.debian.net/126546/ and attrmap seems completely specific to the custom croatian academic network schema |
| 21:34.09 | philipballew | lsusb just shows thr root hubs bab |
| 21:34.13 | philipballew | babilen, ^ |
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| 21:34.42 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: awesome... I very much appreciate you pasting all your configs... |
| 21:35.07 | babilen | philipballew: How old is that iBook? |
| 21:35.10 | twobitsprite | much better than trying to decypher the archaic docs I found on google |
| 21:35.23 | philipballew | babilen, the bottom says 2002 |
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| 21:35.54 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: however, your basedn isn't really "PUPPIES!!!" is it? :P |
| 21:35.56 | philipballew | i can imagebin a pic of it |
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| 21:36.14 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: what makes you think so |
| 21:36.18 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: lol |
| 21:36.38 | garotosopa | Hi! When I perform aptitude search even with -q I can still see an output of "[----] ?depends(?name("libnotify1")): Accessing index" for a second. How can I suppress this and get only the search results? |
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| 21:37.52 | jelly-home | garotosopa: which debian release? Can you provide the exact, complete command line? |
| 21:38.49 | babilen | philipballew: Ok, more likely to be an iBook G3 with orinoco card then (module airport -- is it loaded?) -- What about the ' Please stop wicd (service wicd stop) and run "ifconfig eth1 down ; ifconfig eth1 up ; iwconfig eth1 ; iwlist eth1 scan"' ?? |
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| 21:39.56 | babilen | philipballew: Also see http://wiki.debian.org/orinoco (if you indeed have an iBook G3) -- Is there "iBook" written on the computer? Did the WEP connection work during the installation of *this* Debian system? |
| 21:40.04 | garotosopa | jelly-home: debian testing, aptitude 0.6.3. any search seems to print this progress output, you can try with: aptitude search -q '?depends(libnonexistant)' |
| 21:40.15 | themill | garotosopa: if aptitude knows it's in a pipeline it suppresses that output; otherwise it always does. |
| 21:40.34 | philipballew | babilen, yeah the wep worked great. |
| 21:40.46 | jelly-home | garotosopa: and worse, it outputs that to stdout |
| 21:40.53 | garotosopa | themill: I expected otherwise with -q or -q=1000 |
| 21:41.18 | philipballew | who wants to play GUESS THAT IBOOK MODEL! ( i know I do) http://imagebin.org/168429 |
| 21:41.39 | philipballew | ^ babilen gets to go first, me second :) |
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| 21:42.38 | babilen | philipballew: Could you please stop wicd, take down all the interfaces, check if the airport module is loaded (if so reload it (modprobe -r airport ; modprobe airport) and *finally* run ifconfig eth1 up ; iwconfig eth1 ; iwlist eth1 scan ? |
| 21:43.01 | philipballew | yeah, i can do that |
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| 21:43.30 | babilen | yes, that is an iBook G3 with orinoco card -- should work, most likely a probalem with wicd -- try iwconfig and/or network-manager. Have fun. |
| 21:43.42 | philipballew | whats the kill all interfaces command babilen |
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| 21:44.03 | philipballew | oh! ill try network manager then |
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| 21:44.41 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 21:45.04 | philipballew | hey! babilen thank you |
| 21:45.16 | philipballew | not everybody helps me and you did |
| 21:45.17 | garotosopa | jelly-home: do you think I should report a bug/feature request for aptitude or just pipeline its output as themill pointed out? |
| 21:45.32 | philipballew | if you were next to me id give you a hand shake |
| 21:45.43 | themill | garotosopa: yes. It's irrelevant output, just distracting at worst. I believe there is already a bug filed but the bts doesn't want to talk to me right now. |
| 21:46.06 | nsadmin | philipballew, the key is to get someone motivated to start helping, and then making it fun to continue |
| 21:46.07 | babilen | philipballew: All the information I gave you is based on my *guesses* -- At least check if the airport module is loaded and if you can scan *when wicd is not running* and after you've taken down the interface/reloaded firmware/brought up the interface. |
| 21:46.18 | nsadmin | which means you have to do your part |
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| 21:47.03 | philipballew | i could probably just autoremove wicd |
| 21:47.14 | nsadmin | bumps on logs are not fun as they are like stones... and as John Allen (inventor of lisp) sait, you can't explain anything to a stone |
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| 21:47.41 | GapSpark | hello! |
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| 21:47.52 | nsadmin | hi |
| 21:48.12 | Kromgol | Are there any good books about network security and such? |
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| 21:48.43 | nsadmin | probably, and there's also a lot of info on the web |
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| 21:48.57 | babilen | Kromgol: yes |
| 21:49.04 | Kromgol | Any recommendations then? :D |
| 21:49.14 | GapSpark | Kromgol RTFM |
| 21:49.31 | nsadmin | but integral to info about network security, is info about networks and how they actually work |
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| 21:50.08 | Kromgol | GapSpark: Thank you dear sir for your useful answer. |
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| 21:50.32 | nsadmin | you might look at securityportal.org, seifried's site |
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| 21:50.48 | Kromgol | Thanks nsadmin. |
| 21:50.49 | Kromgol | Will do. |
| 21:50.49 | phox | uh. so apparently limits.conf just started being ignored some time recently on 2 different deb boxes we're runnign here. |
| 21:50.52 | phox | massive fail. |
| 21:51.16 | Kromgol | Doesn't exist nsadmin. |
| 21:51.18 | Kromgol | the site |
| 21:51.30 | mns | Kromgol: a good way to know how the networks work is to read the RFCs for the protocols you are interested in. |
| 21:51.39 | nsadmin | hmm. I could have the name wrong, let's see... |
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| 21:52.14 | Kromgol | mns: Yeah well, i think i need a general and basic introduction to networks first. |
| 21:52.54 | nsadmin | Kromgol, google for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" |
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| 21:53.06 | nsadmin | for networking and netfilter |
| 21:53.10 | Kromgol | Found it. |
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| 21:53.47 | User_007 | Hello! Does anyone have a clue about fan control? I can't find nothing about fan on /proc |
| 21:53.52 | mns | Kromgol: Cisco has beginner stuff related to networks available that you can look at. Its basic stuff in PDF formats. those are good as well. |
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| 21:54.08 | Kromgol | Ah. |
| 21:54.27 | phox | anyone? it appears pam_limits is broken, or something. |
| 21:54.44 | iluminator101 | permission to pm streuner |
| 21:54.57 | nsadmin | Kromgol, that guide, while dated, does have good info about how hets work. also, linux uses netfilter and that site also has material about what netfilter is, how it works, what the shape of it is and how you can configure it |
| 21:54.59 | delarge | hi there, i already installed irssi like root but a new user can't use the command 'irssi' |
| 21:55.13 | mns | User_007: on a ThinkPad its /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 21:55.15 | Kromgol | nsadmin: Thanks. |
| 21:55.34 | nsadmin | let's see if we can find securityportal.... |
| 21:55.46 | iluminator101 | permission to pm nsadmin |
| 21:55.56 | User_007 | mns, on /proc/acpi i only have : ac_adapter/ battery/ button/ event wakeup |
| 21:56.11 | mns | User_007: what type of system do you have ? |
| 21:56.29 | mns | User_007: also what version of Debian ? |
| 21:57.00 | User_007 | I use a Toshiba A215-S5837, (toshiba module not works |
| 21:57.09 | User_007 | Debian Sid, AMD64 |
| 21:57.12 | nsadmin | iluminator101, granted. thanks for asking |
| 21:57.35 | nsadmin | securityportal.com |
| 21:57.55 | User_007 | FATAL: Error inserting toshiba_acpi (/lib/modules/3.0.0-leo/kernel/drivers/platform/x86/toshiba_acpi.ko): No such device |
| 21:58.08 | User_007 | same error on default kernel |
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| 21:58.46 | streuner | iluminator101: only if you look very sexy and have blond hair :-) |
| 21:59.14 | iluminator101 | lol |
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| 22:00.13 | mns | User_007: have you tried using toshset ? aptitude show toshshet that might help you somewhat. |
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| 22:00.38 | User_007 | mns, yes, seems not to work |
| 22:01.02 | mns | User_007: you need an experimental version of the toshiba_acpi module. do you have that ? |
| 22:01.41 | User_007 | experimental? if it was present on linux 3.0.0 i must have enabled |
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| 22:03.04 | phox | so would anyone care to comment on the fact that pam_limits is apparently not working on squeeze right now? |
| 22:03.25 | mns | User_007: I dont know. thats what it says in the description for toshset when I do aptitude show toshset. check it out, checkout the website for toshset. Like I said, I use a ThinkPad, so not really that helpful with Toshiba. |
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| 22:03.58 | User_007 | hmm, thanks mns |
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| 22:08.29 | delarge | hi there |
| 22:08.42 | delarge | i installed irssi but i cant run it |
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| 22:08.57 | delarge | as a root, neither as a normal user |
| 22:09.02 | delarge | 'command not found' |
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| 22:10.37 | themill | delarge: "hash -r" |
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| 22:16.12 | bronaugh | having a strange issue. debian doesn't seem to be respecting /etc/security/ulimit.conf |
| 22:16.34 | bronaugh | set a hard memory limit of 16GB per process in there; but ulimit reports that as unlimited. |
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| 22:23.57 | GapSpark | Hi!!! |
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| 22:27.55 | bronaugh | hmm, ok, so I was wrong. |
| 22:28.05 | bronaugh | looks like the 'data' limit in ulimit.conf is not respected by the kernel. |
| 22:28.11 | bronaugh | yay. :/ |
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| 22:32.08 | kichawa | http://paste.ofcode.org/psXsXrZJ93G4cmDCWNEkRH |
| 22:32.44 | boohemian | hi, can someone help me with a debian6 upgrade? i just updated from debian5 and i had to install grub2 and now i can't boot with the parameters i configured...i ran 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy' and i must have done something wrong... any ideas? |
| 22:32.51 | boohemian | do i even need grub or lilo when i don't dual boot? |
| 22:34.08 | bronaugh | boohemian: yes. |
| 22:34.22 | bronaugh | and you should use grub. |
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| 22:34.48 | boohemian | bronaugh: well, can you help me? |
| 22:35.02 | boohemian | i just updated to debian6 from debian5 and i had to install grub2 and now i can't boot with the parameters i configured...i ran 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy' and i must have done something wrong... any ideas? |
| 22:35.15 | bronaugh | ok, so first you want to boot off media in rescue mode. |
| 22:35.32 | boohemian | bronaugh: will i be able to when i have an encrypted drive? |
| 22:35.33 | bronaugh | get access to the volume, chroot in if necessary. |
| 22:35.38 | wols | boohemian: how far does grub get? |
| 22:35.53 | bronaugh | ok. did you just install grub onto an encrypted volume? |
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| 22:36.29 | boohemian | wols: i get a screen where i can pick between 4 versions of debian6, two of them are recovery modes |
| 22:36.41 | boohemian | if i pick one, i get some errors, then a kernel panic |
| 22:36.54 | wols | which error? first one is the important one |
| 22:37.00 | bronaugh | ok, so nothing's wrong with grub then, other than possibly options passed to kernel. |
| 22:37.12 | boohemian | bronaugh: i don't have a cdrom drive in that machine, though i can put one in... can i put a recovery image on a usb stick? |
| 22:37.22 | bronaugh | boohemian: you likely don't have to do that. |
| 22:37.25 | boohemian | bronaugh: well, the entire disc is encrypted |
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| 22:37.42 | boohemian | wols: one second and i'll copy the error |
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| 22:39.14 | boohemian | loading Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 ... / loading inital ramdisk ... / error: out of partition. / [ 0.241997] kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 22:39.20 | boohemian | the forward slashes are new lines |
| 22:39.32 | boohemian | wols: see above ^ |
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| 22:40.10 | boohemian | i assumed i configured it wrong because when i ran 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy' i got some errors (but i thought i fixed it, finally)... i do have the old grub config saved at /boot/grub/menu.lst* |
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| 22:41.01 | kichawa | https://bitbucket.org/ianb/virtualenv/changeset/8be37c509fe5/raw/virtualenv-8be37c509fe5.diff |
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| 22:43.57 | jelly-home | !kernels |
| 22:43.58 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110817, linux-next: next-20110817, snapshot 3: 3.1-rc2-git3, mainline 3: 3.1-rc2 , stable 3.0: 3.0.3 , stable 2.6.39: 2.6.39.4 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.8 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.4 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.14 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.10 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.18 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.45 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 |
| 22:43.59 | anoob | hi, sometimes my debian boot up with a 1024x768 resolution.... sometimes it has a high resolution... why is it self changing the resolution? running debian testing with gnome ... |
| 22:44.04 | jelly-home | ooh, 3.0.3 |
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| 22:44.33 | mns | !tell mns aptitude clone |
| 22:45.15 | boohemian | wols: bronaugh are you still here? any ideas? |
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| 22:46.25 | wols | !any idea |
| 22:46.25 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed kittens. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 22:46.51 | wols | isn't it obvious? either your kernel parameters or your initrd are wrong (no prompt for entering the decoding password?) |
| 22:46.58 | jelly-home | dpkg: ease up on the highlighting! |
| 22:46.59 | dpkg | no idea, jelly-home |
| 22:47.06 | boohemian | wols: no, i don't get the prompt for decoding the passwd |
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| 22:47.17 | boohemian | wols: how do i figure out what the right kernel parameters or initrd are? |
| 22:48.44 | wols | most likely initrd. and I dunno |
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| 22:52.51 | boohemian | wols: well, can you offer any idea? i don't know what initrd is -- what should be my next step? |
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| 22:54.19 | GapSpark | boohemian maybe you are too stupid for linux |
| 22:54.23 | wols | boohemian: creating a new one. for which you need to rescue boot. usually a debian rescue cd (or usb stick, same thing) |
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| 22:54.33 | wols | boohemian: ignore him |
| 22:54.38 | boohemian | GapSpark: maybe you could offer some help instead of insults |
| 22:54.46 | abrotman | GapSpark: knock it off |
| 22:55.04 | GapSpark | knock what off? |
| 22:55.21 | abrotman | GapSpark: if you want to pick fights, go somewhere else |
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| 22:55.29 | boohemian | wols: you can't partition a usb stick right, so i need to format it and use the whole usb stick? |
| 22:55.41 | GapSpark | abrotman i aint looking for a fligh |
| 22:55.48 | wols | boohemian: you can partition it, but using the whole is much much easier |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | GapSpark: then stop insulting people, keep it to yourself |
| 22:56.01 | GapSpark | abrotman fuck off |
| 22:56.10 | khaleel5000 | i ssmeall a ban |
| 22:56.22 | boohemian | wols: can you tell me what file system it needs? and is there a small recovery image that i can use (the connection here is slow) |
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| 22:56.51 | khaleel5000 | i can predict the future! :P |
| 22:57.08 | boohemian | ah http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ? |
| 22:57.10 | wols | you can use the netinst iso (180MB) and it is its own filesystem all in one box. you don't create one |
| 22:57.20 | wols | yes |
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| 23:00.09 | boohemian | wols: where do i download the netinst iso? and when i format my memory stick, what filesystem should i pick to format it with? |
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| 23:01.24 | khaleel5000 | wols: i am not an expert, and i missed some conversation, bu tif boohemian wants to get another OS to boot and fix his OS (which was encrypted) wont debian live be easier for him? |
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| 23:04.37 | bookmark | what is xulrunner? |
| 23:04.58 | bookmark | er.. i mean hi and what is xulrunner |
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| 23:05.26 | wols | khaleel5000: possible. but a debian install cd should be enough since that's how he set up his encrypted partition in the first place, no? |
| 23:05.27 | boohemian | khaleel5000: hrm, i'm not sure. i'm trying to create a new initrd but i have no idea how to do it... |
| 23:05.50 | bernhard2 | how can i check if Exim was compiled with OpenSSL (or GnuTLS) support |
| 23:05.54 | wols | boohemian: you do not format your stick at all. no need. and you download it at the same place you download all debian isos |
| 23:06.11 | wols | bernhard2: check its dependencies |
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| 23:06.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | bernhard2: check its build deps |
| 23:06.42 | babilen | bookmark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XULRunner |
| 23:06.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe, bit slow (sorry) |
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| 23:07.04 | bernhard2 | <wols><Kamping_Kaiser> how do i do that ? |
| 23:07.17 | themill | ,depends exim4-daemon-light |
| 23:07.18 | judd | Package exim4-daemon-light -- depends: exim4-base (>= 4.72), libc6 (>= 2.7), libdb4.8, libgnutls26 (>= 2.7.14-0), libpcre3 (>= 7.7), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0. |
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| 23:08.14 | babilen | mmm pibpcre3 â multiarch-support ... deja-vu |
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| 23:08.48 | babilen | but all is fine -- disregard me |
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| 23:09.23 | bookmark | is there a video driver that provides crisp edges ei not fuzzy that isn't nvidia? |
| 23:09.56 | boohemian | wols: do i need to delete everything on my flashdrive first? |
| 23:10.08 | wols | boohemian: no. it gets overwritten |
| 23:10.29 | wols | bookmark: with nvidia hardware you have two choices: nouveau and nvidia. take your pick |
| 23:10.39 | babilen | bookmark: What? What constitutes "crisp edges" ? |
| 23:11.02 | bookmark | well if i don't use non-free and get my nvidia driver the screen is all fuzzy |
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| 23:11.34 | boohemian | wols: can you give me the link of the right netset iso to download? |
| 23:11.51 | bookmark | but for some reason xulrunner keeps breaking so i don't wanna use any files from the internet |
| 23:12.05 | themill | eh/ |
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| 23:12.12 | wols | bookmark: there is only one netinst iso for your architecture |
| 23:12.46 | bookmark | i just install from the files on the debian cd 1 |
| 23:12.46 | wols | bookmark: what driver do you use when not using nvidia? |
| 23:13.04 | bookmark | dunno |
| 23:13.08 | bookmark | but its blurry |
| 23:13.10 | wols | and what is that bit about xulrunner there? makes no sense |
| 23:13.17 | bookmark | ok nevermind |
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| 23:13.27 | boohemian | wols: is the business card CD versions that are 40MB okay, or not? |
| 23:13.32 | bookmark | i think i need to upgrade to squeeze maybe |
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| 23:13.41 | wols | bookmark: you will need to use "files from the internet" at least if you want to have a secure debian |
| 23:13.56 | wols | bookmark: I said "netinst" for a reason |
| 23:13.57 | nsadmin | bookmark, what are you running now? |
| 23:14.21 | bookmark | i don't really care about security cuz i image my partitions |
| 23:14.26 | wols | boohemian: ^^ |
| 23:14.33 | bookmark | lenny and win7 |
| 23:14.52 | wols | bookmark: you type strange things. and you rarely make any sense |
| 23:15.04 | nsadmin | ahh, so you can upgrade the lenny to squeeze without much problem |
| 23:15.05 | boohemian | wols: once the iso finishes downloading, how do i put it on the flash drive? do i need to open the iso image and copy all files/directories over to the flash drive? or just copy the iso image over? |
| 23:15.36 | wols | boohemian: cat <iso file> > /dev/sdX (where sdX is your usb stick) |
| 23:15.43 | wols | boohemian: have you ever installed debian? |
| 23:16.05 | bookmark | bbiab |
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| 23:17.50 | boohemian | wols: yes i have, but it has been awhile (other than upgrading last night) |
| 23:18.04 | Karen_m | when i do an ; ip addr add 123.123.123.123/32 dev eth0, why does it fail? I only need to add 1 ip that my isp assigned me |
| 23:18.10 | boohemian | wols: i usually install from linode's vps control panel, so i haven't been through every option |
| 23:18.24 | boohemian | wols: once i cat it, then what? reboot the computer with the flash drive installed, and then what? |
| 23:18.25 | nsadmin | bookmark, just so's ya know... there are contexts where you would care. keeping backup images is a really great way to help with that, and since the backup is done only periodically, you'd use other strategies to keep your users as safe as your machine is |
| 23:18.34 | Karen_m | oh it works, my mistake *bad script* :) |
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| 23:18.50 | wols | !tell boohemian about rescue mode |
| 23:22.41 | boohemian | wols: i just did some googling and found this, 'initramfs -o name_of_initrd kernel_version' is that the only command you need to rebuild initrd? |
| 23:23.48 | boohemian | wols: or is 6.3 what i need? that sounds right!? http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initrd.html |
| 23:24.34 | wols | 6.3 is the debian way yes |
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| 23:25.46 | boohemian | wols: okay. is this what you were trying to link me to before? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
| 23:27.09 | boohemian | wols: once i cat the iso file, do i then put the flashdrive in the broken computer and then reboot and the netinst iso will appear? then i type in 'rescue' at boot and follow 6.3 in that other link? |
| 23:27.46 | bernhard2 | Configuring Exim4 to use TLS. Configured 03_exim4-config_tlsoptions but when i restart exim4 and check with: exim4 -bP | grep tls_ |
| 23:27.46 | bernhard2 | i get this output.. http://pastebin.com/VYwTEihg (it does not show what i have configured) when i test get this message Host did not advertise STARTTLS |
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| 23:32.10 | I_eat_kawfish | Is there a premade noip package? |
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| 23:32.17 | dasdsadsadsadsa | # |
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| 23:33.26 | themill | ,info noip2 |
| 23:33.27 | judd | No record of package 'noip2' in squeeze/i386. |
| 23:33.32 | themill | ,info noip2 --release sid |
| 23:33.32 | judd | Package noip2 (net, optional) in sid/i386: client for dynamic DNS service. Version: 2.1.9-3; Size: 82.0k; Installed: 256k; Homepage: http://www.no-ip.com |
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| 23:35.00 | teneightypea | So uh, I'm trying to write a firewall ruleset and just tried testing my rules. 'iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -dport 443 -j ACCEPT' gave me an error that '443' was a bad argument. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 23:35.17 | koshieFinalReliz | If someone's connected to a chroot by ssh for example, it's impossible to him to escape from it to go on the host, right ? |
| 23:35.19 | teneightypea | In fact, all my ports are failing as bad arguments :| |
| 23:35.22 | koshieFinalReliz | (hi) |
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| 23:37.08 | rudi_s | teneightypea: --dport |
| 23:37.25 | teneightypea | :o |
| 23:37.29 | teneightypea | Thanks! |
| 23:37.33 | teneightypea | facepalms |
| 23:37.40 | I_eat_kawfish | I'm running stable. How would I install a unstable package? (I have a guide up but it seems to be outdated) |
| 23:37.49 | rudi_s | koshieFinalReliz: No. chroots are not designed as a security feature so don't count on it. (FreeBSD's jails are an exception I guess). |
| 23:37.52 | rudi_s | np |
| 23:37.56 | rudi_s | I_eat_kawfish: You don't. |
| 23:37.59 | rudi_s | !backports |
| 23:37.59 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 23:38.06 | rudi_s | I_eat_kawfish: ^ |
| 23:38.07 | koshieFinalReliz | I_eat_kawfish, add the repo and modify one file, after for install a package from this repo you can add an option on apt-get. |
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| 23:38.22 | koshieFinalReliz | For the file... Wait |
| 23:39.03 | koshieFinalReliz | So |
| 23:39.11 | koshieFinalReliz | Add backports in your sources.list |
| 23:39.43 | koshieFinalReliz | After create /etc/apt/apt.conf and add : APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; |
| 23:40.19 | koshieFinalReliz | And when you want an unstable package (at your own risk of course) add the good option, I'm searching it |
| 23:40.50 | koshieFinalReliz | apt-get install -t unstable package |
| 23:41.31 | koshieFinalReliz | But be careful, debian will bother you about a upgrade |
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| 23:41.38 | koshieFinalReliz | from unstable, don't install it (: |
| 23:41.45 | koshieFinalReliz | Again, at your own risk. |
| 23:42.02 | koshieFinalReliz | I_eat_kawfish, voilà . |
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| 23:42.31 | koshieFinalReliz | rudi_s, but is not one of his goal ? For example I can test something in a chroot and don't hurt the host. |
| 23:43.05 | k-man | is there some way to make a print server so that the iphone can use the airprint feature to print to it? |
| 23:43.24 | rudi_s | koshieFinalReliz: Don't just install sid packages. That will cause problems. |
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| 23:43.41 | rudi_s | chroots are fine for testing, but AFAIK not as a security feature. |
| 23:43.55 | I_eat_kawfish | there doesn't seem to be a backport for noip2 that I can see |
| 23:44.14 | rudi_s | !tell I_eat_kawfish about simple sid backport |
| 23:45.17 | koshieFinalReliz | rudi_s, for install some package it's useful, like aircrack-ng. |
| 23:45.32 | koshieFinalReliz | I don't use a package from unstable when it's on the «good» repo. |
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| 23:46.14 | rudi_s | koshieFinalReliz: Yes, but as I said it can cause problems and shouldn't be done by casual users. Backports are the way to go. |
| 23:46.18 | koshieFinalReliz | rudi_s, and he do what he want with his debian, I only answer him and saying that there are risk. |
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| 23:46.40 | koshieFinalReliz | rudi_s, oh sorry, I'm confuse, I want to speak about backports ^^'... |
| 23:46.51 | koshieFinalReliz | Or not. |
| 23:46.55 | koshieFinalReliz | I'm saying some shit tonight... |
| 23:46.58 | koshieFinalReliz | Sorry. |
| 23:47.24 | koshieFinalReliz | I_eat_kawfish, you can't compile it ? |
| 23:47.32 | koshieFinalReliz | Less dangerous I guess. |
| 23:48.47 | I_eat_kawfish | I have compiled it (just wan'ted to see the effort it would take to do it from the package) but I couldn't figure out how to start it on boot. |
| 23:49.08 | nsadmin | chroots used as security are usually done for individual applications, and the app/server usually needs either all the libs in the chroot, or to be built static |
| 23:49.38 | koollman | or to do the chroot itself |
| 23:49.40 | koshieFinalReliz | nsadmin, it's what I want, run some sensible application in a chroot. |
| 23:49.49 | koshieFinalReliz | koollman, :) |
| 23:50.50 | koollman | now I'm a bit spoiled, when I want a chroot I use lxc ... but before that, I was doing 'large' chroot with debootstrap --variant=minbase |
| 23:50.57 | koshieFinalReliz | lxc is better than deboostrap ? |
| 23:51.07 | nsadmin | koshieFinalReliz, what's the problem currently? |
| 23:51.27 | koshieFinalReliz | nsadmin, there's no problem, I'm installing VHFFS and the tutorial say to make a chroot for CVS and other stuff. |
| 23:52.29 | koshieFinalReliz | But I'm tired and I will do bad things tonight If I continue, I think it's better if I'm going to sleep with my cat. |
| 23:52.30 | koollman | koshieFinalReliz: lxc is better than a simple chroot. But a simple chroot may be simpler to install, too |
| 23:52.53 | koshieFinalReliz | koollman, chroot is very simple to install yes. 2 minutes, if internet is slow. |
| 23:53.00 | koshieFinalReliz | A lot of work with lxc ? |
| 23:53.02 | koollman | yes. But ... is it safe ? :) |
| 23:53.11 | koollman | much more work, yes |
| 23:53.23 | koollman | (the first time at least, if no template have been made for the application) |
| 23:53.40 | koshieFinalReliz | It can be, I guess. But it's more secure with Restricted Shell, and a good restricted shell seems to be hard. |
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| 23:54.07 | I_eat_kawfish | The backport is way too complicated. How do I add noip2 to init.d? |
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| 23:56.06 | koshieFinalReliz | koollman, tomorow I'll looking for lxc |
| 23:56.10 | koshieFinalReliz | thanks dude. |
| 23:56.32 | I_eat_kawfish | ...or simply start automatically? |
| 23:56.54 | koshieFinalReliz | inittab maybe ? |
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| 23:57.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Which package contains "gstreamer-properties" ? |
| 23:57.52 | koshieFinalReliz | Hello |
| 23:58.04 | koshieFinalReliz | Good night everyone. |
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| 23:59.36 | nsadmin | have fun |
| 23:59.41 | I_eat_kawfish | I think I'm doing this the hard way. If anyone that uses noip2 could post their /etc/init.d/noip2 file I would greatly appricate it. Thanks. |
