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| 00:01.56 | gnarface | the file /etc/security/limits.conf is read by each shell on startup? |
| 00:02.03 | streuner | omg, 52 CDs, that almost so worse than using SLS in '93, usually 30 floppies to run X and a kernel :-) |
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| 00:04.24 | streuner | judd, file /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 00:04.27 | judd | /etc/security/limits.conf in squeeze/i386: libpam-modules: etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 00:05.32 | othiym23 | quick question for the assembled massive: is there a good, relatively concise book for someone who wants to write lots of POSIX-compliant / dash scripts but is generally a pretty experienced shell scripter? |
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| 00:06.06 | streuner | gnarface: apt-cache show libpam-modules | grep -i maint :-P |
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| 00:06.39 | streuner | gnarface: its vorlon, i would ask him in #d-d |
| 00:06.50 | othiym23 | alternate question: which of "Classic Shell Scripting" or "Portable Shell Scripting: From Novice to Professional" do people prefer? |
| 00:08.15 | gnarface | othiym23: buy the oreilly bash book |
| 00:08.30 | streuner | hehe, or just /j #bash :-) |
| 00:08.42 | othiym23 | gnarface: only want to use POSIX-compliant features, these are going to be startup scripts |
| 00:08.52 | gnarface | oh |
| 00:08.53 | othiym23 | hence the POSIX-compliant / dash caveat |
| 00:09.11 | gnarface | sorry wasn't paying attention |
| 00:09.16 | othiym23 | np :D |
| 00:09.33 | streuner | ask #bash |
| 00:10.15 | othiym23 | streuner: will do |
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| 00:12.48 | jaggz-- | my who --ips is showing the hostname still |
| 00:13.03 | jaggz-- | debian 4.0 |
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| 00:14.03 | themill | makes jaggz-- upgrade to a supported release |
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| 00:16.05 | jaggz-- | themill, just.. kinda far from the servers and it's difficult to get there |
| 00:16.24 | streuner | why some people want etch at all? |
| 00:16.48 | streuner | after serveral years... |
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| 00:17.18 | chrissbx | Hi. I'm stuck in the installer. I got "no installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources", then said "no" to whether I want to proceed w/o kernel, now I'm left with doing "Install the base system" again but that says that the target, of course, is already containing files, and says |
| 00:17.30 | chrissbx | that it's bad to proceed with them ;~D, now, |
| 00:17.49 | chrissbx | should I say "Yes" proceed anyway, or should I back off to the console and rm -rf /target/*? |
| 00:18.09 | chrissbx | (That's the "stable" installer, btw) |
| 00:18.33 | streuner | what kind of d-i do you use at all, that would my first question :-) |
| 00:19.30 | chrissbx | The default one (graphical). |
| 00:19.35 | streuner | Do you have internet at all? |
| 00:19.39 | chrissbx | yes |
| 00:19.44 | streuner | well |
| 00:19.52 | streuner | just say yes then |
| 00:20.05 | streuner | IMO |
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| 00:20.45 | troulouliou | hi i wonder if a core I7 with 4 cores and ht will be seen has 8 cpu in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 00:20.51 | chrissbx | ok, did that, and yep it's installing debs again over the existing files, hopefully that won't leave anything in bad shape. |
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| 00:22.16 | chrissbx | troulouliou: that should be so, yes ("should" because I don't have that cpu to verify) |
| 00:22.52 | troulouliou | chrissbx, yes me neither :) |
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| 00:23.14 | chrissbx | troulouliou: but that's how it works. |
| 00:23.22 | chrissbx | Grr I'm now getting "apt configuration problem An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed" |
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| 00:24.24 | streuner | most people just install via internet in Debian, so you shouldnt care much :-P |
| 00:24.24 | chrissbx | Aha, probably because I'm running the installer from an USB flashdrive, and it doesn't find a CD rom? |
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| 00:25.27 | pfred1 | chrissbx no net connection? |
| 00:25.36 | chrissbx | I do. |
| 00:25.43 | ctx | what debian i install?, i have phenom II X4 |
| 00:25.46 | chrissbx | So no big issue. Just stupid. |
| 00:25.49 | pfred1 | then why does it want to pull stuff off the CD? |
| 00:25.52 | streuner | so, edit your sources.list |
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| 00:26.19 | pfred1 | I did USB debian install on 2 systems never ran int othat |
| 00:26.45 | streuner | dont say never,ever :-) |
| 00:27.01 | pfred1 | Ok never so far |
| 00:27.01 | chrissbx | pfred1: did you use the net installer? I'm running the 650MB iso. |
| 00:27.13 | pfred1 | chrissbx I think I did the net install |
| 00:27.23 | chrissbx | That would explain it |
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| 00:27.37 | pfred1 | donno that key has ubuntu on it now I think |
| 00:27.47 | george_ | Are terminal type programs like mpd the only music players that can allow browsing by folder structure? |
| 00:27.59 | pfred1 | next machine I need to install can't do usb install so I have to do it off an actual CD |
| 00:28.16 | dvs | ctx: 386 or amd64 |
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| 00:28.25 | themill | george_: of course not. |
| 00:29.01 | george_ | themill, what other programs allow browsing by folder structure - something like foobar2000 has? |
| 00:29.20 | jaggz | streuner, hm.. busy with lots of issues in life.. difficult to handle hopefully-unnecessary sysadmin tasks |
| 00:29.22 | ctx | dvs: thnks |
| 00:29.30 | jaggz | prefer to focus on the needed aspects |
| 00:29.32 | dvs | np |
| 00:29.50 | themill | george_: I've never heard of "foobar2000" and I suspect I'd like to keep it that way. amarok certainly allows directory based library browsing |
| 00:30.17 | george_ | themill, anything other than amarok, don't want to pull in kde dependencies |
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| 00:30.29 | themill | *shrug* |
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| 00:31.17 | thinline | what is the standard debian email package now? still exim? (just looking for simple smarthost relay) |
| 00:31.32 | streuner | exim |
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| 00:31.56 | streuner | thinline: /msg dpkg smarthost |
| 00:32.27 | streuner | besides, postfix is very easy to configure in order to use smarthost |
| 00:32.28 | thinline | hmm doesn't give a package suggestion |
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| 00:32.49 | chrissbx | Oh. Will the d-i create good partition boundaries on SSDs? Or do I have to do something special for that? |
| 00:33.03 | karsten | I'm trying to purge (and eventually reinstall) apache2. Nagios is presently installed on the box (squeeze). aptitude wants to hepfully install other webservers. How can I either tell it not to, or do the purge/reinstall in one swell foop? |
| 00:33.23 | karsten | thinline: exim4, though postfix is also excellent. |
| 00:33.24 | themill | karsten: what are you trying to achieve here? |
| 00:33.42 | thinline | yea, I figured it was one or the other |
| 00:33.50 | karsten | themill: A clean fresh install of apache2, ironically enough, to support nagios, onn a production server. |
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| 00:34.00 | thinline | just trying to keep things as simple as possible |
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| 00:34.19 | themill | karsten: so you're just wanting to revert back to the maintainer's config files? |
| 00:34.41 | Duka | ola pessoal |
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| 00:35.18 | karsten | themill: http://pastebin.com/aa94nufZ |
| 00:35.30 | karsten | themill: Pretty much. |
| 00:36.01 | karsten | themill: instal --reinstall an option still? |
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| 00:36.53 | karsten | Y'know, I can remove nagios but leave configs in place. That's not going to hurt us. |
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| 00:37.03 | themill | karsten: mv /etc/apache2/ /etc/apache2-bak; aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $(dlocate --package-only /etc/apache2) |
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| 00:37.43 | karsten | themill: Yeah, I don't even care about the old configs. It's not used at all, legacy. |
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| 00:38.16 | themill | change the mv to an rm if you want |
| 00:38.53 | karsten | I don't find dlocate |
| 00:39.00 | argonel | for the last few months i've been getting 157 warnings about missing architecture info in /var/lib/dpkg/status - how do i clean this up? |
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| 00:39.25 | karsten | Nevermind, installing it. |
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| 00:41.59 | karsten | themill: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the apache2.2-common package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 00:42.20 | themill | eh? |
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| 00:44.31 | karsten | themill: Error when trying your aptitude recipe |
| 00:44.46 | themill | argonel: most likely by purging old packages. Check the output of "aptitude search ~o; aptitude search ~c" for things you can purge. |
| 00:44.57 | themill | karsten: "the file" isn't that informative. |
| 00:45.03 | argonel | hmm aptitude eh |
| 00:46.22 | themill | karsten: just purge them, let apt rip out nagios and then reinstall the lot. Path of least resistance. |
| 00:46.43 | karsten | themill: http://pastebin.com/GwjXGzmM |
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| 00:47.32 | karsten | themill: Yeah, i was headed that way myself. So long as it leaves the configs behind we're good. I'll back up /etc/nagios. Hrm., whatever's under /var as well. |
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| 00:47.37 | themill | 298 not upgraded. nice touch. |
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| 00:48.25 | themill | karsten: remove will certainly leave stuff in /etc (purge won't). Can't speak for what the maintainer scripts would do to /var though. You'd have to check. |
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| 00:49.17 | karsten | themill: That's what I'm checking on. |
| 00:49.27 | karsten | themill: policy says they shouldn't touch it. |
| 00:49.32 | karsten | No user data shoudl be lost. |
| 00:50.32 | karsten | I'm looking at /var/cache/nagios3, /var/run/nagios3, /var/lib/nagios3 |
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| 00:57.09 | nsadmin | namtorba, are you still around? it looks like ubuntu is doing the same thing (can't get scan data: invalid argument when iwlist scan) |
| 00:57.25 | nsadmin | so we can factor that all the way out |
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| 01:02.05 | streuner | good lord, a wifi issue, poor nsadmin |
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| 01:03.27 | nsadmin | streuner, yes :) and?? :) |
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| 01:03.32 | streuner | turned on the AC, in order to get some sleep |
| 01:03.53 | dvs | cuts the power |
| 01:04.30 | streuner | treats dvs with a big sledehammer |
| 01:04.38 | dvs | doh |
| 01:04.47 | sweetpi | streuner's AC is plugged into an ups |
| 01:05.10 | streuner | UPS's are overrated :-P |
| 01:05.16 | nsadmin | in squeeze, is it true that firmware is loaded at boot from the initrd only? |
| 01:05.26 | streuner | a few minutes and they are gone :-) |
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| 01:06.09 | nsadmin | enough to safely shut down... if you need that, that's why you buy a ups :) |
| 01:06.16 | streuner | why, its usually enough to put them into /lib/firmware... |
| 01:06.32 | nsadmin | they're there, they've been there |
| 01:06.35 | streuner | great |
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| 01:07.14 | streuner | kernel.log should tell you about |
| 01:07.15 | nsadmin | ls /lib/firmware/brcm/bcm43xx |
| 01:07.15 | nsadmin | bcm43xx-0.fw bcm43xx_hdr-0.fw |
| 01:07.19 | streuner | sure |
| 01:07.32 | nsadmin | kern.log? |
| 01:07.36 | streuner | but it should be in the logs, if it uses it or not |
| 01:07.42 | streuner | or messages |
| 01:08.08 | nsadmin | yeah, I've been looking for some indication it's loading and/or failing to load |
| 01:08.20 | nsadmin | haven't found anything yet |
| 01:08.35 | streuner | dmesg? |
| 01:08.56 | nsadmin | nope |
| 01:09.01 | streuner | strange |
| 01:09.33 | dwep | audacity beta is in debian-multimedia, if i 'aptitude -t install' the package from the stable repo, what will happen upon 'aptitude upgrade'? |
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| 01:09.51 | streuner | nsadmin: oh, did you talk about an d-i? :-) |
| 01:10.03 | streuner | nsadmin: and bcm? :-) |
| 01:11.00 | streuner | nsadmin: nm, its some other issue |
| 01:11.39 | nsadmin | well this laptop has wireless and wired, and I installed using wired, and even so, update-initramfs complains about possible missing firmware for it, a realtek |
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| 01:13.13 | nsadmin | so if by d-i you're asking whether I tried to install using wireless and/or asked about doing so, no |
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| 01:14.16 | nsadmin | another thing that's weird is while the mouse should be interrupt driven, it's often laggy |
| 01:14.55 | nsadmin | it's almost like mouse handling is in the x event loop |
| 01:16.02 | dwep | hmm, how do i force the installation of a program from the stable repo? |
| 01:16.28 | dwep | aptitude persists on installing the version from debian-multimedia |
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| 01:16.31 | nsadmin | but anyway I'll be back in a sec, I rebuilt the initrd (possibly again) and I'm rebooting |
| 01:16.42 | dwep | 'aptitude -t', but then what? |
| 01:17.01 | nsadmin | what name is in your sources.list? |
| 01:17.31 | dwep | deb http://blaha squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 01:17.43 | dwep | and the debian-multimedia one, ofc |
| 01:17.43 | nsadmin | so, squeeze |
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| 01:18.00 | dwep | been there, tried that |
| 01:18.01 | dwep | no go |
| 01:18.15 | dwep | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 01:18.17 | nsadmin | anyway, I'm rebooting |
| 01:18.22 | dwep | squeeze there too... |
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| 02:00.32 | zykotick9 | permission question regarding /dev/net/tun (for KVM VMs), could I change the group ownership to my user account to avoid having to use root to start the VMs? Or is there another method to allow users to start KVM with tun? |
| 02:01.29 | zykotick9 | OR, does starting VMs as root not really matter? It just "feels" wrong. |
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| 02:09.04 | namtorba | nsadmin: i wonder if the device needs a newer driver? |
| 02:09.44 | nsadmin | not sure... but in any case it's scanning now. |
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| 02:10.17 | nsadmin | no more invalid argument, and the difference that made the difference was rebuilding the initrd |
| 02:10.44 | nsadmin | I'm just now working with the ap |
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| 02:12.10 | namtorba | weird .. |
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| 02:12.20 | namtorba | wouldn't think the initrd would matter ... |
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| 02:14.03 | zykotick9 | changing permission group or owner+group on /dev/net/tun doesn't seem to make a difference. Is there some other mechanism to allow users access to the network bridge? |
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| 02:19.14 | statim | anyone thats good with making packages know which is right to get the init file behavior (/etc/init.d/mypackagename)? do i put mypackagename.init or mypackagename.init.d or simply init or init.d in my package? |
| 02:20.15 | zykotick9 | statim, no one answered in #ubuntu... I'm shocked. Good luck. |
| 02:21.17 | namtorba | why would statim be asking #debian about ubuntu packages? |
| 02:21.25 | statim | zykotick9: im not lol..the next thing said was about some gui thing |
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| 02:22.01 | statim | namtorba: ubuntu packages? they both use the same system i thought |
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| 02:22.24 | namtorba | statim: i have no idea ... ask #ubuntu and refer to their wiki, they have packaging docs there |
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| 02:22.58 | namtorba | they may have different policies |
| 02:23.00 | statim | namtorba: why am i getting banished to ubuntu for this question? its a general packaging question, not specific to ubuntu |
| 02:23.13 | namtorba | statim: i think i just told you |
| 02:24.06 | statim | im not concerned about anyones policies⦠the question was just where does the init script go and how is it supposed to be named for the dpkg system to recognize it |
| 02:24.33 | fschuindt | Hello guys. Why I can't get an resolution greater than 1152x864 on my Debian guest Virtualbox? I've instaled the guest additions :( |
| 02:24.56 | namtorba | statim: IOW, this channel is for Debian support, not Ubuntu packaging support |
| 02:25.19 | namtorba | fschuindt: does xrandr return any higher resolutions? |
| 02:25.26 | cantido | statim: look at a package that has an init script maybe? |
| 02:25.29 | statim | namtorba: this has nothing to do with ubuntu or debian. it has everything to do with dpkg which is part of debian |
| 02:25.54 | fschuindt | namtorba: xrandr? |
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| 02:26.17 | namtorba | statim: Ubuntu patches their dpkg .. please take Ubuntu questions to #ubunt |
| 02:26.21 | namtorba | #ubuntu |
| 02:26.28 | namtorba | fschuindt: it's a command you run in a terminal |
| 02:26.38 | cantido | namtorba: to the extent that it breaks how init scripts are packages.. I dont think so |
| 02:26.48 | fschuindt | namtorba: Ok, I'll check this out on google. w8 |
| 02:27.05 | namtorba | cantido: i don't know .. that's why the question belongs in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel |
| 02:27.06 | cantido | statim: apt-get source pkgwithinitscript and do some digging.. I'm sure its in the maint guides too |
| 02:27.31 | namtorba | #debian is not #ubuntu-doesnt-know |
| 02:27.42 | cantido | namtorba: I could understand your point of view if he was saying "why doesnt my soundcard work".. but this packaging stuff is common |
| 02:27.43 | namtorba | fschuindt: you just run it in an xterm |
| 02:27.53 | cantido | namtorba: instead of being an arse you could have pointed him to the maint docs |
| 02:27.58 | namtorba | cantido: maybe review patches and say that again .. they have different policies |
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| 02:28.10 | pzn | has anyone used "tesla nvidia" processor with debian for floating point calculations? is it "compatible" for working with debian + gcc? http://www.nvidia.com/object/personal-supercomputing.html |
| 02:28.10 | namtorba | cantido: I don't know where Ubuntu has their docs .. he should ask #ubuntu |
| 02:28.13 | namtorba | why is this so fucking confusing? |
| 02:28.22 | fschuindt | namtorba: http://pastebin.com/cfdFwLSq |
| 02:28.56 | namtorba | fschuindt: it says that's your max, I suspect you're running non-fullscreen ? |
| 02:28.59 | cantido | namtorba: can you link their difference in policy about init scripts.. IIRC debian and ubuntu are trying to work to make sure this packaging stuff doesnt fork into two seperate systems |
| 02:29.13 | cantido | namtorba: see all the stuff about debian based distros from the DPL |
| 02:29.15 | namtorba | cantido: i don't give a crap .. it belongs in #ubuntu |
| 02:29.20 | namtorba | why is this being argued? |
| 02:29.36 | namtorba | cantido: if you want to help him, go to #ubuntu with him .. |
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| 02:30.27 | fschuindt | namtorba: OMG, all along the time, all I need to do is put fullscreen, damn it. |
| 02:30.34 | namtorba | fschuindt: enjoy |
| 02:30.36 | fschuindt | namtorba: its work man, thank you |
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| 02:31.04 | cantido | pzn: tesla is a seperate co-processor right? |
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| 02:31.43 | namtorba | tesla is a 686 compatible CPU .. Linus worked for them |
| 02:31.51 | namtorba | oh .. wrong thing |
| 02:31.57 | cantido | namtorba: uh, no it isnt |
| 02:32.03 | pzn | cantido, yes, it is kind of a separate processor |
| 02:32.12 | namtorba | cantido: it was close! :) |
| 02:32.29 | pzn | cantido, a graphic co-processor used for doing math. |
| 02:32.36 | cantido | pzn: nvidia probably have a toolchain to target it.. I wouldnt put too much hope in GCC for it.. IIRC its more like a DSP or GPU |
| 02:32.44 | cantido | pzn: the CUDA etc stuff is in debian |
| 02:32.52 | namtorba | can't find the name |
| 02:32.57 | cantido | namtorba: transmeta |
| 02:33.05 | namtorba | there we go |
| 02:33.07 | namtorba | sorry about that |
| 02:33.42 | cantido | also, its not i686 compatiable, it used some really slow microcode based emulation stuff to run x86 code |
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| 02:34.06 | pzn | cantido, it is a expensive toy for buying without asking questions about compatibility first :-) |
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| 02:34.31 | cantido | pzn: debian itself won't care about it.. is it attached to some ARM SoC? |
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| 02:34.35 | namtorba | cantido: right, that's how it was "compatible" |
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| 02:35.38 | cantido | an m68k can emulate i586 if it tries hard.. that doesnt make it x86 compatiable |
| 02:36.01 | pfred1 | anyone know of a good Z-80 emulator ? |
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| 02:36.19 | cantido | pfred1: what do you want to do with it? |
| 02:36.25 | pfred1 | I was looking for one the other day didn't turn up anything really |
| 02:36.30 | pzn | cantido, namtorba: I read just a little about it, but it seems to need a amd64/intel64 and a pcie 16x slot. |
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| 02:36.47 | pfred1 | cantido write code for a Z-80 then run it on this machine |
| 02:37.09 | cantido | pzn: so debian will run on the x86 part.. you would need to ask nvidia about the tools.. the kernel etc wont care or use it |
| 02:37.24 | cantido | pfred1: you can use a ZX spectrum emu |
| 02:37.36 | pfred1 | cantido OK I'll give it a look thanks |
| 02:37.45 | cantido | pfred1: I have a z80 emu with a GDB remote debugging interface in the works at the moment though.. |
| 02:37.47 | pfred1 | cantido I actually have a timex 1000 |
| 02:37.53 | cantido | its just not ready enough to share |
| 02:38.10 | namtorba | pfred1: apt-cache search z80 seems to show something like many spectemu ? |
| 02:38.25 | pfred1 | also this other antique with a Z-80 in it I forget the name of it starsomething? |
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| 02:38.58 | cantido | pfred1: there are ton of z80 machines around.. are you developing code for your own machine? |
| 02:39.14 | pfred1 | cantido probably eventually I built one years ago |
| 02:39.25 | cantido | you can probably get some old simulator for DOS and run it |
| 02:39.55 | cantido | pfred1: if you have the C skill, zip the z80 emulator out of mame and build an emu for your machine :) |
| 02:40.19 | pfred1 | cantido my old Z-80 project well most of it http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7615/p7100104.jpg |
| 02:40.43 | pfred1 | cantido when I make another one I may wirewrap it |
| 02:41.22 | pfred1 | I did that a long time ago I make things a bit differently today |
| 02:41.39 | cantido | pfred1: get one of the toshiba z80 clones with all the companion chips built in ;) |
| 02:42.05 | pfred1 | cantido sort of defeats the purpose of making it myself I have the PIO and everything |
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| 02:42.17 | cantido | heh fair enough |
| 02:42.32 | pfred1 | cantido 25 years of collecting I have it all laying around |
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| 02:42.49 | cantido | SDCC is in debian, pulling this back on topic,.. and you can use that with xspect to get some code rolling |
| 02:42.59 | DammitJim | what log can I look at to see if I'm having opengl issues with my nvidia card? |
| 02:43.11 | pfred1 | DammitJim glxinfo |
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| 02:43.37 | DammitJim | I don't know of a log called glxinfo? |
| 02:43.50 | pfred1 | DammitJim it is a command just type it in a terminal |
| 02:43.52 | namtorba | DammitJim: it's a command you run in xterm |
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| 02:44.04 | cantido | DammitJim: glxinfo is a tool that shows open gl driver info |
| 02:44.15 | pfred1 | DammitJim see if yours says client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 02:44.43 | DammitJim | I've done glxinfo | grep rende |
| 02:45.00 | pfred1 | DammitJim just scroll |
| 02:45.19 | DammitJim | yeah, it says OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 02:45.20 | pfred1 | its not that long |
| 02:45.31 | pfred1 | DammitJim well there you have it you're all set |
| 02:45.33 | DammitJim | OpenGL renderer string: Quadro FX 370M/PCI/SSE2 |
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| 02:45.49 | DammitJim | I'm stuck in between e17 and Debian |
| 02:46.06 | DammitJim | something on e is either making opengl crash |
| 02:46.11 | DammitJim | or something on opengl is crashing e |
| 02:46.23 | namtorba | another WM works fine? |
| 02:46.26 | pfred1 | e17 being Enlightenment? |
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| 02:46.47 | pfred1 | dang how old is that now? |
| 02:46.59 | namtorba | pfred1: not actually released yet |
| 02:47.05 | pfred1 | was e17 like 10 years ago wasn't it? |
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| 02:47.16 | namtorba | pfred1: you mean in development for 10 years? |
| 02:47.27 | pfred1 | namtorba more like hasn't been developed for 10 years |
| 02:48.19 | namtorba | pfred1: something like that, yeah |
| 02:48.19 | pfred1 | my favorite WM is abandonware today |
| 02:48.33 | DammitJim | it is enlightenment e17 |
| 02:49.30 | paijem-cantik | can anyone here ever install debian on ibm x series ? |
| 02:49.47 | Coweater | yes |
| 02:50.12 | namtorba | paijem-cantik: many of them |
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| 02:50.51 | paijem-cantik | namtorba : exactly on ibm x3620 series, my sas disk not detected when try to install ? |
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| 02:51.16 | namtorba | paijem-cantik: is the controller even detected? |
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| 02:52.06 | namtorba | !tell paijem-cantik about kmuto |
| 02:52.55 | paijem-cantik | namtorba: i don't know exactly, but i have try to load some modules..but still not detected.. it says not disk found ? |
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| 02:54.06 | namtorba | paijem-cantik: see what the bot told you about the updated installer |
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| 02:54.32 | paijem-cantik | namtorba: nothing bot told to me ... |
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| 02:55.39 | namtorba | paijem-cantik: probably opened a new window |
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| 02:56.24 | paijem-cantik | namtorba: thanks, you're right |
| 02:56.55 | paijem-cantik | namtorba: have we should these installer ? |
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| 02:57.49 | paijem-cantik | namtorba : what the differences among of them installer ? |
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| 03:08.43 | simonlnu | man, i really don't like "ask-and-run" |
| 03:08.54 | simonlnu | pita |
| 03:09.17 | dvs | yeah, right |
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| 03:13.09 | simonlnu | dvs_: hm? |
| 03:13.47 | dvs_ | I just got here. ;-) |
| 03:14.11 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 03:19.23 | tehrabbitt-1 | don't mean to go off topic but i'm just curious to see if anyone here could use 12GB of DDR3 desktop ram.... I've just been trying to find anyone who would want to buy it cuz i'm tired of looking at it on my desk. (it's brand new) |
| 03:19.44 | centHOGG | $? |
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| 03:29.00 | wooden | has anyone successfully virtualized os x lion with packages available in squeeze? |
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| 03:39.48 | kuznetzvo | tehrabbitt-1, the price of ram has fallen so much it's hardly worth bothering. you could try ebay, but it would likely not sell for much |
| 03:40.03 | kuznetzvo | then again that's more of a ##hardware thing =p |
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| 03:41.13 | Kromgol | RAM? I sold 4x1GB RAM for $50 to a guy on Tradera (Part of eBay, localized for Sweden). |
| 03:41.15 | overrider_ | Wikipedia says the File Limit for ext4s is 4 Billion. Is that per Directory? |
| 03:41.23 | Kromgol | Definitely worth selling it as you'll still get money. |
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| 03:41.56 | Kromgol | And that was DDR2 |
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| 03:42.28 | tehrabbitt-1 | kuznetzvo: yea i know :-\ I paid close to $200 when the ram first came out lol |
| 03:42.50 | kuznetzvo | if you wanna know if it's worth it look up prices for similar items on ebay if you're in USA. otherwise use a local eretailer |
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| 03:59.23 | nsadmin | everything seems to be working now |
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| 04:01.13 | nickgaw | How on debian do I set it up to start the dhcp client on interface eth3 automatically dhclient eth3 works but I want it to automatically start like the installer set it up to do? |
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| 04:04.22 | th0r | nickgaw: to get the network set up on boot you need to define the interface in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 04:05.21 | nickgaw | I am running debian inside virtualbox and eth0 is set to autoload with dhcp changing eth0 to the proper eth3 will that work? |
| 04:05.57 | th0r | nickgaw: are you setting up three interfaces inside the vm? |
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| 04:06.54 | nickgaw | no virtual box somehow sees two network adapters one of them I can't change no matter what I do the other one is my wired network which is what I want. |
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| 04:08.09 | th0r | nickgaw: virtualbox sets up a virtual interface and then handles the network address translation between that interface and the host. You should, under normal circumstances, see only one eth0 interface in the vm. If you have several nic cards in the host they are defined in the host, not the guest |
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| 04:09.28 | kuznetzvo | you said "NIC cards" =p |
| 04:09.43 | th0r | kuznetzvo: yes I did, so? |
| 04:09.49 | nickgaw | my system has a wired and wireless connection but I am only using the wired one currently and changing eth0 to eth3 did fix the issue does it matter what network interface is seen by debian and what does the virtualbox guest driver do that was installed when I installed debian? |
| 04:09.50 | kuznetzvo | network interface card card |
| 04:10.26 | Rusty1 | nickgaw: there is a #vbox channel, as well |
| 04:10.29 | karlpinc | !70 |
| 04:10.29 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 04:10.59 | karlpinc | nickgaw: It does not matter. But it might change if the vm changes the mac address for some reason. |
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| 04:33.54 | foxhoundz | Quick question: in this repo here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/ , which one of these iso's is actually the 640MB or so version of Debian? |
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| 04:34.26 | ham5 | are you kidding? |
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| 04:34.58 | ham5 | cd....1 |
| 04:34.58 | foxhoundz | No. |
| 04:35.01 | argonel | foxhoundz: debian doesn't fit on a single cd |
| 04:35.05 | Tekk_ | are there any plans to actually get rid of the debian menu system? It's been pretty much replaced and causes a lot of duplicates in gnome shell(a patch could probably fix that, but again there's no need for it imo) |
| 04:35.24 | foxhoundz | I only ask this because according to here |
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| 04:35.35 | foxhoundz | Nevermind.... |
| 04:35.42 | foxhoundz | I thought it said one 650MB image |
| 04:36.01 | foxhoundz | I was reading the doc here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 04:36.02 | argonel | hopefully it says 52 :) |
| 04:36.19 | foxhoundz | Anyway, why would it be such a large image? |
| 04:36.25 | foxhoundz | It's a bit of an overkill |
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| 04:37.03 | argonel | overkill? |
| 04:37.22 | foxhoundz | Yes argonel. Some people might consider a 4.4GB distro a bit of an overkill |
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| 04:37.55 | foxhoundz | Perhaps if there was a 600 MB or so image with just a small set of packages to start off with, it would be managebale |
| 04:38.07 | Tekk_ | foxhoundz: that would be CD1 ;) |
| 04:38.14 | foxhoundz | Tekk_: Out of...? |
| 04:38.21 | argonel | i wonder what those people would say about a 33gb distro then |
| 04:38.22 | foxhoundz | 52 CDs... |
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| 04:38.39 | Tekk_ | foxhoundz: yes. The entire debian repository(main) is on the CDs |
| 04:38.40 | foxhoundz | argonel: That would also be an overkill, argonel. |
| 04:38.42 | Tekk_ | to install you only need 1 |
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| 04:39.22 | foxhoundz | You see I wanted to try debian on several of my computers but it just took too long with netinstall. Moreover, I'm worried about the bandwith cap my ISP bestowed upon me |
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| 04:39.37 | foxhoundz | Perhaps it's something the open source community might take into consideration |
| 04:39.40 | argonel | well, you need to have a discussion with your isp i guess |
| 04:40.11 | Tekk_ | foxhoundz: you can have a full install with just CD1 |
| 04:40.16 | Tekk_ | foxhoundz: the other CDs are just the repository |
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| 04:40.39 | argonel | netinstall is the way the commercial players are going.. probably for everything, eventually |
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| 04:40.55 | Tekk_ | argonel: what do you mean? |
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| 04:41.08 | Tekk_ | argonel: rhel ships local install iirc, fedora is local, ubuntu.... |
| 04:41.16 | Tekk_ | by default that is |
| 04:41.24 | Tekk_ | don't know about sles but that's dead isn't it? |
| 04:41.30 | Tekk_ | sle* |
| 04:41.42 | argonel | Tekk_: i guess i mean non-linux commercial |
| 04:42.09 | Tekk_ | windows 7 is local install, pretty sure that the latest osx is local |
| 04:42.16 | Tekk_ | and most computers come preinstalled anyway |
| 04:42.41 | argonel | no, lion is a download, ~3.5 gb, computers don't come with any media |
| 04:43.20 | foxhoundz | So CD-1 is all I need to set up a bare minimum install of Debian, correct? |
| 04:43.35 | Tekk_ | foxhoundz: CD1 is all you need for your desktop environment of choice |
| 04:43.39 | Tekk_ | except for enlightenment |
| 04:43.39 | nevyn | netinst is all you need to setup a bare minimum of debian |
| 04:43.42 | Tekk_ | they don't have that :P |
| 04:44.20 | foxhoundz | nevyn: netinstall is not an option for me. I need to download this distro once and install it across my computers. It would be a waste of bandwith with netinstall |
| 04:44.31 | foxhoundz | Unless of course there's a way to save the packages once downloaded during netinstall |
| 04:44.53 | nevyn | foxhoundz: have a look at apt-proxy |
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| 04:44.59 | anomaly | the netinstall lets you install more from it.. otherwise you get a bare debian install with the netinstall iso |
| 04:45.12 | zykotick9 | foxhoundz, if you have a deb box running (like a server) check out apt-cacher-ng - it's an apt-proxy as nevyn just pointed out |
| 04:45.26 | foxhoundz | I'll look into it |
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| 04:46.03 | Tekk_ | is there any work on an aptitude successor? maybe something a bit more....you know...extensible? |
| 04:46.09 | Tekk_ | that can actually compete with yum |
| 04:46.41 | Tekk_ | (outside of dep resolution) |
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| 04:47.46 | kuznetzvo | is there a good sysadmin course specific to debian out there? I haven't found much good in the way of literature of videos |
| 04:47.52 | nevyn | Tekk_: nothing can compete with yum on memory utilisation. |
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| 04:48.05 | nevyn | kuznetzvo: install guide reference guide and admin guide |
| 04:48.15 | Tekk_ | nevyn: wrong. emerge can :P |
| 04:48.21 | EmleyMoor | knows a few people who refer to it as "yuk". |
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| 04:48.37 | Tekk_ | EmleyMoor: I'm talking in areas like yum-presto |
| 04:48.41 | Tekk_ | that sort of thing |
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| 04:48.57 | EmleyMoor | Unfortunately I'm not familiar with it |
| 04:49.15 | Tekk_ | EmleyMoor: much smaller downloads, since it only basically downloads a diff |
| 04:49.18 | Tekk_ | delta rpms |
| 04:49.29 | Tekk_ | EmleyMoor: same basic thing that pardus uses |
| 04:49.38 | EmleyMoor | Whodus? |
| 04:50.12 | Tekk_ | EmleyMoor: distro from the turkish government. a lot of times it's way up for best distro |
| 04:50.31 | Tekk_ | for end users |
| 04:50.32 | nevyn | Tekk_: delta binaries are scary. |
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| 04:51.21 | EmleyMoor | has to find himself agreeing with nevyn, but is open-minded to the prospect if it is done right |
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| 04:52.09 | Tekk_ | I can't say from experience(been meaning to install f15, haven't gotten around to it yet) but it's definitely a good idea imo |
| 04:52.16 | Tekk_ | especially for someone like foxhoundz :P |
| 04:52.18 | nevyn | Tekk_: how do you do cryptographic assurance with delta binaries. |
| 04:53.04 | Tekk_ | nevyn: couldn't say. I'm definitely not a yum/delta rpm expert. It just seems like something that could be nice to have |
| 04:54.11 | foxhoundz | Fedora it is. |
| 04:54.56 | nevyn | foxhoundz: ? |
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| 04:55.08 | foxhoundz | nvm |
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| 04:59.31 | kuznetzvo | nevyn, I have kind of a hard time following open-ended guides and such and was hoping for some sort of more structured opportunity. Any ideas? |
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| 05:01.14 | kuznetzvo | Or anyone else who would like to chime in :) |
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| 05:02.51 | kuznetzvo | basically looking to supplement my marketable IT skills as I have a *very* light background in anything nix related. Over the years I think this distribution has outperformed the others, especially when you weight the benefits of freedom and technical prestige |
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| 05:06.50 | nevyn | kuznetzvo: so I don't know of anyone offering debian specific structured f2f or online courses. |
| 05:07.22 | kuznetzvo | yeah, that's what i'd seen, but i'd figure this place would be the second best place to ask, after !g |
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| 05:07.29 | nevyn | kuznetzvo: there's obv the redhat cert stuff and LPI |
| 05:07.49 | kuznetzvo | yeah, i've seen a lot of IT groups use red hat solely because of the support they provide. |
| 05:08.03 | kuznetzvo | especially on a small team, having good support saves a lot of unnecessary work |
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| 05:09.05 | nevyn | LPI has I think a good program but hasn't been very succesful at marketing it to HR and recruiters. |
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| 05:10.49 | kuznetzvo | yeah, i suppose any interviewer worth his salt would listen to a decent explanation of lpi |
| 05:11.14 | nevyn | kuznetzvo: getting to the interview is the bit that certification actually helps with ;) |
| 05:11.49 | kuznetzvo | they seem to like a+ net+ with mcsa on 2k3. my past experiences have dealt with mostly windows environments and lots of proprietary appliances |
| 05:12.05 | kuznetzvo | there seems to be good growth in LAMP farms, but i'm not a strong lamp guy |
| 05:12.40 | kuznetzvo | when i've suggested debian solutions in the past, they were shot down 9 times out of 10 because no one else on the team knew how to run it |
| 05:12.51 | nevyn | kuznetzvo: that's a problem. |
| 05:13.12 | kuznetzvo | yeah they eventually fired me when i got sick in 2009, but that's in the past now =p live and learn |
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| 05:14.22 | nevyn | loves debian but since leaving the SME type market I've not used it in anger at work :( |
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| 05:14.59 | kuznetzvo | small medium enterprise? |
| 05:15.03 | nevyn | yeah |
| 05:15.10 | nevyn | so 50 desks and a couple of boxes. |
| 05:15.19 | kuznetzvo | the last job i interviewed for was an entry level z/os RACF z/vm heavy environment. company does 25 billion USD annual revenue |
| 05:16.04 | kuznetzvo | the closest thing to that i could find anywhere was hercules. nothing, however, seems to exist to emulate racf |
| 05:16.21 | nevyn | doesn't even know what racf is. |
| 05:16.35 | kuznetzvo | i didn't either until i applied LOL |
| 05:17.02 | kuznetzvo | as an example, the business class model for System Z 10 hardware, latest edition, has a list price of 1,000,000 USD .. without addons |
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| 05:17.47 | nevyn | so I know what z series is... |
| 05:17.59 | nevyn | but never worked in an environment where one existed. |
| 05:18.52 | kuznetzvo | last place i worked using UniVerse on AIX for central business processing. dotcom was heavy redhat, some debian. userland was windows. |
| 05:19.19 | nevyn | has done u2 stuff on windows which was scary. |
| 05:19.27 | nevyn | anyway |
| 05:19.41 | kuznetzvo | yeah lol are you in off topic? i said too much =p |
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| 05:21.32 | holycow | hi guys. how do i set page completions off for bash? i have added set page-completions off to .inputrc but its not working ... googling but cannot find a suggestion that works. any tips? |
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| 05:29.10 | nevyn | kuznetzvo: yeah I'm in -offtopic |
| 05:30.02 | nevyn | holycow: how do you mean page completion? |
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| 05:35.41 | holycow | when i tab complete and more than x number of results is shown bash paginetes and asks would you like all xxxxx displayed y/n |
| 05:36.07 | holycow | i don't think i have any file structures that are too cumbersome ... or at least i would like to bump up that number to a much large min value |
| 05:36.39 | nevyn | so just show it if it's less than a thousand things? |
| 05:36.43 | nevyn | type deal? |
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| 05:39.13 | holycow | yep! |
| 05:39.29 | sweetpi | iirc that only happens if it _will_ overflow the screen |
| 05:39.30 | holycow | sorry was looking through bash_completion config file, nothing in there ... hmmm |
| 05:39.55 | holycow | oh. |
| 05:40.04 | holycow | damn, lets test. |
| 05:41.07 | holycow | you are correct. this gives me another avenue of search |
| 05:41.10 | holycow | thank you kindly |
| 05:43.29 | sweetpi | np |
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| 05:47.05 | skilz | Hey im trying to order Dominos Pizza online and I get this error!!! It appears there has been an error loading the Flash version of online ordering. Luckily we have two online ordering systems available. <---- Whats going on here? Im starving! |
| 05:47.16 | ham5 | lol |
| 05:47.22 | skilz | :( |
| 05:47.44 | ham5 | use the other online ordering system.... or break out the phone fool |
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| 05:48.06 | skilz | HTML ordering system is shit and aint got no phone |
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| 05:48.25 | ham5 | go troll somewhere else |
| 05:48.40 | zambaboo | hello, im trying to build a custom initrd.gz for a netboot. im wondering how to get the installer related files into the image. |
| 05:48.42 | nevyn | skilz: install the non-free flash and move on with life. it sucks but hey. |
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| 05:49.13 | skilz | nevyn: I have it installed as I can watch youtube videos and such but why can't I order pizza god damn it? |
| 05:49.42 | zambaboo | checks the channel name.. nope, not #ubuntu... |
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| 05:50.02 | zykotick9 | skilz, are you using gnash or adobe? gnash can play youtube. |
| 05:50.23 | skilz | zykotick9: Not sure, how do I find out? |
| 05:50.46 | zykotick9 | skilz, "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" i think |
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| 05:51.24 | skilz | flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 05:51.51 | zykotick9 | skilz, then you are using adobe, not much you can do... |
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| 05:52.28 | nevyn | make your browser lie. |
| 05:53.10 | skilz | nevyn: How do I do that? |
| 05:53.36 | skilz | zykotick9: So the adobe flashplugin is no good? |
| 05:53.59 | zykotick9 | skilz, well, no it sucks. but it's the best flash... |
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| 05:55.18 | skilz | zykotick9: So why does the site work with windows? What flash is windows using? |
| 05:56.00 | zykotick9 | skilz, so you have flash (which sucks) AND a web page that sucks even more... get your pizza somewhere else ;) |
| 05:56.35 | sweetpi | no problems with the site here |
| 05:56.41 | zambaboo | you cant be serious... :) |
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| 05:56.53 | skilz | sweetpi: www.dominos.com.au |
| 05:56.58 | skilz | I clicked order online |
| 05:57.10 | nevyn | skilz: I've used it previously succesfully |
| 05:57.25 | skilz | maybe it's the .au site |
| 05:57.45 | nevyn | skilz: it has worked for me using linux previously |
| 05:58.00 | skilz | nevyn: the au site? |
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| 05:58.05 | nevyn | yep |
| 05:58.14 | zykotick9 | skilz, on my box (which only has gnash) once i click on "order online" NOTHING comes up, blank page. So you're doin' better then me. |
| 05:58.15 | skilz | nevyn: hmmm, wtf could it be then? |
| 05:58.27 | sweetpi | skilz: slow as hell, but it works |
| 05:58.54 | nevyn | skilz: it has been a while so it's possible they broke it. |
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| 05:59.05 | skilz | nevyn: True. |
| 05:59.24 | nevyn | phone and complain. |
| 05:59.32 | nevyn | better still write and complain. |
| 05:59.32 | sweetpi | nothing broke it works fine |
| 06:00.06 | skilz | nevyn: Were you joking when you said 'make your browser lie'? |
| 06:00.20 | nevyn | no. it's worth a shot. |
| 06:00.20 | zambaboo | no he wasnt, change the user agent |
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| 06:00.23 | skilz | sweetpi: What browser are you using? |
| 06:00.30 | zambaboo | (konq i bet) |
| 06:00.33 | sweetpi | iceweasel 3.5.16, flash 10.3 d162, no user agent changed |
| 06:00.54 | skilz | How do I change the user agent guys/girls? |
| 06:01.19 | sweetpi | I didnt change it, but if you want.. install user agent switcher |
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| 06:03.05 | sweetpi | now im hungry :/ |
| 06:03.14 | zambaboo | vlad, any idea how to build a custom initrd.gz for a netboot install? |
| 06:03.32 | zambaboo | .oO(the russians, they know _everything_) |
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| 06:09.11 | skilz | Hmm still not working with IE 8 agent profile |
| 06:09.53 | skilz | ahh now its working :) |
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| 06:28.29 | mikolapiz | hi all |
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| 06:30.56 | hyper_ch | hi there, how do you add more locale to your system? On Ubuntu I was told to use sudo locale-gen de_CH but that does not work on debian |
| 06:31.47 | ham5 | doing it as root hyper? |
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| 06:33.20 | ham5 | dosent exzist, what? what 'dosent work'? |
| 06:33.32 | jhujhiti | hyper_ch: dpkg reconfigure locales |
| 06:33.42 | hyper_ch | ham5: tried.... locale -a shows it... but setting in a script the locale just gives errors |
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| 06:34.25 | hyper_ch | $ (LANG=de_DE; LANGUAGE=de_DE; LC_MESSAGES=de_DE; gettext tar "Memory exhausted" ) |
| 06:34.25 | Kenoris | How much are you going to pay me for my debian problems? |
| 06:34.26 | hyper_ch | -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_MESSAGES: cannot change locale (de_DE): No such file or directory |
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| 06:37.47 | jelly-home | hyper_ch: does locale -a show EXACTLY "de_DE"? |
| 06:37.57 | Miesco | How would I change my jre? |
| 06:38.11 | hyper_ch | jelly-home: no, but I tried the exact output of locale -a also |
| 06:38.16 | jpinx | is thre something different about the default config of ssh in squeeze? I can not ssh into my n900 phone anymore :( |
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| 06:39.05 | sweetpi | Miesco: update-java-alternatives |
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| 06:39.37 | jelly-home | hyper_ch: as a start, omit the ";" in your command line, or export the variables |
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| 06:40.33 | hyper_ch | will try, thx |
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| 06:41.12 | Miesco | I keep getting an exception |
| 06:41.22 | qop | whats the kde version in squeeze? |
| 06:41.25 | Miesco | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: minecraft/jar |
| 06:41.36 | Miesco | ,versions kde |
| 06:41.37 | judd | Package kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 06:41.54 | qop | btw... what are the names going to be when toy story's char names run out ? :) |
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| 06:42.13 | qop | judd: 4.5? |
| 06:42.17 | qop | I assume |
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| 06:42.19 | nevyn | toystory 2 characters? |
| 06:42.26 | ham5 | you can ping it tho jpinx? |
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| 06:42.31 | qop | thanks |
| 06:42.39 | ham5 | i doubt its the ssh config |
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| 06:42.59 | jelly-home | jpinx: does telnet phone 22 work and report the ssh service banner? |
| 06:43.46 | rgr | For some reason apache2 isnt starting automatically. Theres nothing in the syslog and log/apache2/access.log has nothing relevant either. I already ran "update-rc-.d apache2 defaults" and restarted. Any other ideas on debugging this? |
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| 06:44.22 | jelly-home | rgr: and error.log? |
| 06:44.32 | jpinx | ham5: good point ;) ping is dead , but not sure if that is a "no-ping-reply" policy in the phone |
| 06:44.53 | ham5 | should be able to ping the phone if you have the interface up |
| 06:44.57 | ompaul | jpinx: run ssh -vvv whattver |
| 06:45.39 | rgr | jelly-home: just the sigterm catch at shutdown |
| 06:45.51 | jpinx | ok - I have to reboot into debian to try this - thanks ham5 , ompaul , jelly-home |
| 06:46.10 | ompaul | jpinx: you don't ifconfig will tell you if your interfaces are up |
| 06:46.13 | jpinx | 08:42 < ham5> you can ping it tho jpinx? |
| 06:46.13 | jpinx | 08:42 -!- rgr [~user@85.183.18.158] has joined #debian |
| 06:46.13 | jpinx | 08:42 < qop> thanks |
| 06:46.13 | jpinx | 08:42 < ham5> i doubt its the ssh config |
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| 06:46.18 | ompaul | jpinx: ahh |
| 06:46.34 | ompaul | and so it goes |
| 06:46.58 | qop | is hungry |
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| 06:47.38 | rgr | although I see there is no startup in rcS.d - -where is it normally? the runlevel dir? |
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| 06:51.18 | rgr | ,.. |
| 06:51.37 | ham5 | 2..... |
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| 06:51.54 | rgr | ah we're still here ;=) |
| 06:52.23 | ham5 | read the headers in the /etc/init.d/ file and you coulda of found our yourself |
| 06:52.54 | qop | I am seeing a lot of i386's, why not i686s? |
| 06:53.05 | ham5 | amd64? |
| 06:53.10 | qop | yup |
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| 06:56.53 | taleon | hi |
| 06:56.54 | rgr | could someone running apache on debian let me know what rc files exists to start it up at boot? |
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| 06:57.17 | ham5 | look at the /etc/init.d/apache2 file rgr |
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| 06:57.35 | rgr | thats not to do with the boot |
| 06:57.44 | rgr | I need to know what rcS files you hve for example |
| 06:58.05 | ham5 | it tellls you att he tooppppp whereeee theeyyy goooo |
| 06:58.11 | rgr | I can manuall use init.d with no problem |
| 06:58.19 | rgr | oh, then sorry |
| 06:58.21 | rgr | hang on... |
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| 07:00.20 | rgr | Im on run level2 and sure enough s19apache2 is in rc2.d . so why isnt it starting. aargh. |
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| 07:00.38 | rgr | must be someting to do with the lo interface I bet. |
| 07:00.52 | ham5 | ok gl hf |
| 07:02.01 | simonlnu | you could try running rcS with invoke-rc.d but you takes your chanceses |
| 07:02.33 | simonlnu | did that once. it worked but there was a bit of a mess after ward to clean up a bit |
| 07:03.18 | simonlnu | the machine was alrweady booted to rc2, had dropped it into rc1. something buggered, can't recall, and rc2 wasn't coming up. |
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| 07:05.06 | rgr | no it is upper cas |
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| 07:25.55 | Polysics | wow |
| 07:26.11 | Polysics | debian is the best |
| 07:26.23 | Polysics | just wanted to say that, thanks for advising me to switch :-) |
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| 07:27.42 | cedr | Polysics: :) |
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| 07:28.35 | Polysics | this is not the debian of old, though - it is actually way easier to configure and use than the latest ubuntu |
| 07:28.49 | Polysics | congratulations to whoever manages the quality |
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| 07:40.19 | Polysics | one thing: which package installs gvim, please? |
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| 07:41.17 | CruX| | Polysics: apt-cache search gvim |
| 07:41.35 | CruX| | Polysics: vim-gtk - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with GTK2 GUI |
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| 07:43.45 | Polysics | ok, then it is simply a case of not having the link in the menu |
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| 07:46.09 | N-I-L | hello |
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| 08:03.43 | Kenoris | Any of you actually tasted a Woman's feet? |
| 08:04.01 | N-I-L | ya |
| 08:04.34 | N-I-L | Kenoris: you? |
| 08:04.51 | Kenoris | Yes. |
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| 08:05.24 | Kenoris | It's quite something right out of her high-end ballet flats |
| 08:05.27 | Kenoris | let me tell you. |
| 08:05.42 | ksk | "wtf" |
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| 08:06.43 | Kenoris | It's the taste of a kind of privilege us guys can never know. |
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| 08:08.10 | N-I-L | thats pretty random though. seriously out of nowhere. |
| 08:08.49 | Kenoris | The first time I tasted I couldn't control myself |
| 08:08.52 | digdilem_ | "us guys" - that's quite some generalisation you've got going on there |
| 08:09.12 | Kenoris | and started sucking like a mad dog out of an insane asylum. |
| 08:09.19 | digdilem_ | not really bothered about your fetish, but don't make assumptions about the rest of us, please! |
| 08:09.19 | sweetpi | dont feed the trolls toe cheese |
| 08:09.37 | EmleyMoor | Do I need to take care over the connection order of my RAIDed disks when changing the motherboard? |
| 08:09.46 | Kenoris | do you? |
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| 08:09.48 | Kenoris | digdilem, You wear pretty, flashy, expensive ballet flats |
| 08:09.59 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: with md raid, no |
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| 08:10.09 | jelly-home | !ops Kenoris |
| 08:10.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: Kenoris |
| 08:10.10 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: Great |
| 08:10.27 | EmleyMoor | is doing a motherboard swap tomorrom |
| 08:10.30 | EmleyMoor | tomorrow |
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| 08:11.11 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: thankfully the metadata carries information about which device belongs to which array, and what place it goes in |
| 08:11.18 | themill | thanks, jelly-home. |
| 08:11.39 | EmleyMoor | always tries to get them wired as a, b, c, ... top down |
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| 08:13.06 | jelly-home | except with linux it's anyone's guess to which driver and controller gets initialized first |
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| 08:13.36 | EmleyMoor | jelly-home: True - c, d, e ... would do |
| 08:13.53 | EmleyMoor | has wo four-disc systems |
| 08:13.55 | EmleyMoor | two |
| 08:14.12 | jelly-home | ffs my old laptop makes USB devices /dev/sda if present on boot. Things stopped behaving sensibly around etch or lenny |
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| 08:16.01 | aidalgol | Is there a 32-bit libtheora package for amd64? |
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| 08:17.12 | kyperf | hi |
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| 08:18.20 | EmleyMoor | may need new disk trays... the old ones are not SATA III certified |
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| 08:18.33 | N-I-L | EmleyMoor: are you using the same card? |
| 08:18.54 | EmleyMoor | N-I-L: No - new controller on motherboard |
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| 08:19.52 | N-I-L | huh. i would think that would factor in |
| 08:20.16 | N-I-L | im probably wrong though. |
| 08:20.57 | b3ny | anyone here running on a macbook? |
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| 08:22.58 | N-I-L | b3ny: i am not |
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| 08:23.15 | b3ny | ok |
| 08:23.33 | b3ny | i am trying to find some resources or usergroups of people that are doing so |
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| 08:24.36 | N-I-L | what are you trying to do with it? install debian? |
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| 08:29.30 | N-I-L | has anyone worked with jailkit at all? |
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| 08:32.10 | Odaym | so..woot has become an official word |
| 08:32.20 | vyadhaka | installed Debian with LVM on top of LUKS and when it boots up it looks for LVM VG and LVs before opening the LUKS container. Same with shutdown, it closes the LUKS container and then throws up an error that it cannot find the LVs. Any explanation as to how this happened? |
| 08:33.23 | jelly-home | Odaym: gives me a case of noms |
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| 08:34.10 | Odaym | they should've made nom an official word |
| 08:35.17 | gooddemo_ | Good day, I write through the translator |
| 08:35.28 | gooddemo_ | need help |
| 08:35.37 | jelly-home | Odaym: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nom+nom |
| 08:35.45 | themill | !ru |
| 08:35.45 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 08:35.58 | gooddemo_ | how to change the version of Perl from 5.12 to 5.10 |
| 08:36.09 | gooddemo_ | ? |
| 08:36.09 | jelly-home | ,versions perl-base |
| 08:36.09 | judd | Package perl-base on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny3; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; sid: 5.12.4-4; wheezy: 5.12.4-4; experimental: 5.14.1-2 |
| 08:36.20 | jelly-home | gooddemo_: install debian stable? |
| 08:36.41 | gooddemo_ | yes |
| 08:36.42 | gooddemo_ | sinaptike to make change of removing all the packages |
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| 08:37.34 | Polysics | hello |
| 08:37.36 | N-I-L | vyadhaka: maybe cylinder boundaries on the lvs? are they ending on one? |
| 08:37.48 | Polysics | i tried installing the dropbox package from the website |
| 08:38.00 | Polysics | it has dependency issues on debian, and that i know |
| 08:38.18 | Polysics | but i installed it with dpkg -i, dependencies were not met, and now it complains a lot |
| 08:38.27 | themill | Polysics: you should talk to them about it. Do they actually provide a debian package? |
| 08:38.52 | Polysics | i think my question is "how do i totally remove a package i installed with dpkg -i, like it never existed?" |
| 08:39.00 | themill | dpkg -r |
| 08:39.01 | dpkg | themill: no idea |
| 08:39.06 | themill | dpkg: shush |
| 08:39.07 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 08:39.31 | jelly-home | Polysics: dpkg --purge packagename? |
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| 08:39.59 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 08:40.04 | gooddemo_ | мне ÑÑÐ¾Ð¸Ñ ÑаÑÑиÑÑваÑÑ Ð½Ð° ÑÑÑ Ñо помоÑÑ?:) |
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| 08:40.14 | gooddemo_ | Should I count on someone's help:)? |
| 08:40.16 | man_in_shack | anyone know of an easy to use electric circuit diagram editor? :) |
| 08:40.32 | Polysics | jelly-home, that gives a few generic errors, maybe because it is not installed? |
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| 08:40.40 | th0r | gooddemo_: you got your answer....you need to install squeeze |
| 08:40.46 | themill | gooddemo_: either install debian stable or try #debian-russian |
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| 08:41.07 | Polysics | dpkg: error processing nautilus-dropbox (--purge): subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 08:41.07 | dpkg | polysics: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 08:41.13 | peterrooney | dpkg: russian |
| 08:41.13 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 08:41.58 | Polysics | https://gist.github.com/1156349 |
| 08:42.06 | Polysics | this is the install and remove output |
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| 08:43.20 | themill | man_in_shack: qucs is good and also simulates the circuit for you. I've heard good things about ktechlab. "axi-cache search field::electronics circuit" turns up a lot more options. |
| 08:43.58 | peterrooney | Polysics: doesn't look particularly harmful; if it wasn't installed, the post-removal script is bound to run into problems. |
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| 08:44.05 | man_in_shack | ah, i think ktechlab is the one i used umpteen years ago |
| 08:44.07 | man_in_shack | rings a bell |
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| 08:44.13 | fornicator | hi |
| 08:44.16 | fornicator | how can i increase the ulimit? i added "* hard nofiles 10000" to /etc/security/limits.conf but no success |
| 08:44.19 | fornicator | ulimit still 1024 |
| 08:44.45 | Polysics | peterrooney, it is shown as "c" status in aptitude search, does that mean anything? |
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| 08:45.47 | peterrooney | Polysics: rc? |
| 08:45.52 | Polysics | is anyone here using dropbox? how did you install it? |
| 08:46.00 | Polysics | peterrooney, rc what? :-D |
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| 08:46.10 | peterrooney | Polysics: I mean, dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 08:46.11 | vyadhaka | N-I-L: it's a 4kb sector hard drive, output from fdisk -ulc http://paste.debian.net/126698/ can you tell whats wrong, I made sure the physical partitions started on a sector # that was divisible by 8, I did not do the same for LVs |
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| 08:46.41 | colo-work | fornicator, did you initiate a new pam session (login anew, e. g.)? |
| 08:46.54 | themill | dpkg: tell Polysics about dropbox |
| 08:46.55 | man_in_shack | themill: qucs looks good so far. thanks :) |
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| 08:47.01 | Polysics | https://gist.github.com/1156360 |
| 08:47.21 | themill | man_in_shack: yeah, it's not a bad program. Happy hunting |
| 08:47.38 | Polysics | oh, so the dropbox package is in testing? i would like to avoid the testing repo if possible... |
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| 08:47.46 | Polysics | i can compile by source |
| 08:47.58 | man_in_shack | themill: i found muxer components. i'm happy now :) |
| 08:48.02 | Polysics | but i wanted to clean up the package mess before |
| 08:48.03 | fornicator | colo-work: yes i did a new login. ulimit -n is still 1024 |
| 08:48.15 | peterrooney | Polysics: means, purged, but configuration files still in place (in case you install it again later) |
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| 08:48.38 | Polysics | peterrooney, how do i remove those? ---purge should have, no? |
| 08:48.40 | themill | ,versions nautilus-dropbox |
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| 08:48.42 | judd | Package nautilus-dropbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.6.7-3~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.6.8-1; wheezy/non-free: 0.6.8-1; experimental/non-free: 0.6.8-1+gnome3 |
| 08:48.46 | peterrooney | Polysics: when I've found myself in these situations before, I ran apt-get -f install - don't know what equiv in aptitude is |
| 08:48.48 | DannyButterman | Hi there. |
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| 08:48.54 | themill | Polysics: it's in backports too, but first of all fix apt. |
| 08:49.13 | kyperf | love |
| 08:49.57 | DannyButterman | What is wrong when one gets a message "no rules to make target modules" following a "make modules" command ? |
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| 08:50.56 | peterrooney | Danny, means you're not using make-kpkg? |
| 08:51.13 | peterrooney | hunts for protective cover |
| 08:51.45 | xxtjaxx | faw0: ping |
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| 08:52.09 | peterrooney | DannyButterman: it seems that your makefile doesn't have a entry for the target "modules" |
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| 08:53.53 | kyperf | hi |
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| 08:54.36 | DannyButterman | peterrooney: I've read the Makefiles involved, and it specifies a /lib/modules/<kernel version>/build directory. Which is empty. |
| 08:55.10 | DannyButterman | peterrooney : I guess it shouldn't be but what has to be put there ? |
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| 08:55.41 | kyperf | love |
| 08:56.01 | N-I-L | vyadhaka: are you using lvm2? |
| 08:56.39 | vyadhaka | N-I-L: I used debian installer to partition |
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| 08:57.45 | peterrooney | DannyButterman: have you installed linux headers? |
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| 08:58.04 | peterrooney | !tell DannyButterman about make-kpkg |
| 08:58.17 | kyperf | love |
| 08:58.38 | themill | kyperf: can we help? |
| 08:59.15 | DannyButterman | peterrooney : I've installed linux sources according to some howtos I've read. linux-headers ? Is that the package name ? I try it at once |
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| 09:00.19 | man_in_shack | huh |
| 09:00.29 | man_in_shack | i don't see a 3-way switch in qucs at all |
| 09:00.31 | peterrooney | DannyButterman: aptitude install linux-headers-<some_version_or_other> |
| 09:01.02 | N-I-L | vyadhaka: im pretty sure you have to manually do that instead of using the installer to partition. |
| 09:01.56 | DannyButterman | peterrooney : thank you. About make-kpkg, apt-get doesn't know this package (not available on Lenny ?) |
| 09:02.27 | jaakkos | it's kernel-package |
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| 09:04.02 | peterrooney | DannyButterman: also, side issue, "sudo aptitude install apt-file; sudo apt-file update; apt-file search <filename>" tells you what package owns a file, even if package is not installed |
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| 09:05.03 | themill | man_in_shack: it's primarily designed for simulation (and for microwave stuff at that) and you can always do an equivalent circuit for the simulation. If you just want drawing, some of the others might be better. |
| 09:06.22 | skilz | Hi I wish I share my internet connection (ppp0) to my network (eth1) and run a dhcp server to auto asign IP's to the rest of my computers, what do I need? |
| 09:06.46 | Polysics | themill, sorry, got called by boss - how do i fix apt, please? |
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| 09:08.02 | vyadhaka | N-I-L: I did not use the debian installer to partition, used latest version of gparted iso and used fdisk to partition manually. I made sure every partition started on a sector that was divisible by 8, except for sda4. sda1 starts on 2048, sda2 on 104859648, sda3 on 106956800, they are all divisible by 8, i am sure they align with the sector boundaries. I am not sure how I missed sda4 |
| 09:08.20 | DannyButterman | peterrooney: make-kpkg is now installed along with a heap of other stuff. Now, how am I supposed to create my ethernet driver using this ? the man pages for make-kpkg leave me clueless |
| 09:08.43 | Polysics | peterrooney, i can't use apt-get -f because the package is downloaded, not fro ma repo |
| 09:09.37 | petemc | DannyButterman: are you still trying to use lenny? |
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| 09:09.51 | themill | Polysics: what's in their {post,pre}rm script for this package? |
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| 09:10.42 | Polysics | i managed to get it on and off with --force-all |
| 09:10.50 | Polysics | how do i enable backports, pelase? |
| 09:10.56 | themill | dpkg: tell Polysics about bdo |
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| 09:11.52 | DannyButterman | petemc: I am. Just for the pleasure of harrassing people on debian dedicated chats lol. Joke put aside, I need to use Lenny because it's a test server that must be using the same OS as my production serve |
| 09:12.12 | Polysics | one thing: if a package installed with --force-all looks like it is working, can i assume it does? or is it never a good idea? |
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| 09:13.14 | jtrol | jj |
| 09:13.51 | th0r | Polysics: you had to use force-all because the package manager was telling you something was not right. That should answer your second question |
| 09:13.53 | N-I-L | vyadhaka: im not totally sure then, i was under the impression that the crypto disk had to be the primary partition. |
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| 09:15.21 | kyperf | hi |
| 09:15.54 | N-I-L | hello kyperf |
| 09:15.55 | vyadhaka | N-I-L: sda4 not aligning is a completely unrelated issue, I wanted to know why the boot process is backwards, |
| 09:16.29 | DannyButterman | peterrooney : Could you tell me how make-kpkg works in my case ? |
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| 09:18.35 | aidalgol | If I build and run Wine in a chroot, will it be able to use my video card for graphics acceleration? |
| 09:19.24 | Polysics | can't find the nautilus-dropbox package in backports though |
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| 09:20.21 | themill | Polysics: what release of debian are you running? |
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| 09:20.44 | Polysics | themill, squeeze/6 installed off netinstall |
| 09:21.02 | themill | did you run "apt-get update" after editing your sources.list? |
| 09:21.21 | Polysics | yes, i did |
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| 09:22.04 | Polysics | i also do not even see anything with apt-cache search dropbox |
| 09:22.40 | kyperf | hi |
| 09:23.45 | th0r | Polysics: can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 09:24.09 | Polysics | th0r, i was missing non-free fro mthe backports source, i hadn't noticed that |
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| 09:24.49 | N-I-L | vyadhaka: huh, ok then. well im not totally sure on that. are you mapping the encrypted partition to the right mount point? |
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| 09:25.11 | Polysics | yay, sorted this out too - and again, if i had known what to do, it would have been easy |
| 09:25.18 | Polysics | starting to like debian a lot :-D |
| 09:25.33 | Polysics | i just need to find myself a theme i like |
| 09:25.41 | hroi | I successfully compiled matplotlib 1.0.1 and basemap 1.0.1 - using only the dependencies that already ship with debian. |
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| 09:26.10 | hroi | is there a way for me to convert this into a debian package so that other can use on their debian? |
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| 09:26.28 | ham5 | hroi; checkinstall |
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| 09:27.08 | vyadhaka | N-I-L: you are confusing the concepts, only the PV is encrypted. I only have one entry in /etc/crypttab - sda3 |
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| 09:27.17 | themill | hroi: backporting the real debian packages would be much more useful for people. |
| 09:28.01 | vyadhaka | N-I-L: I will keep asking, I am pretty sure there will be a simple fix, thanks for your help |
| 09:28.11 | hroi | themill: only that when I tried backporting aptitude wanted to install 200 new libraries, and wasnt happy with the PIL library that ships with debian. |
| 09:28.32 | N-I-L | sorry for the misunderstanding. |
| 09:28.52 | themill | hroi: yes. And we couldn't convince you to persist in trying to do it correctly. |
| 09:29.01 | hroi | themill: it would be nice if I could make the debian package afterwards from the things I have built under /usr/local |
| 09:29.39 | hroi | themill: not when it is more of a bother than possibly entering the information into the debian package myself afterwards, if that is possible? |
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| 09:30.44 | themill | hroi: nobody wants crappy packages that are not policy compliant, do not contain the documentation and install into the wrong directories. Feel free to use them on your own machines, but no-one will thank you for distributing them. |
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| 09:31.16 | hroi | themill: or possibly, now that I know what is really needed only about 8 dependencies all of which are good from debian already, |
| 09:31.36 | hroi | themill: can I give somebody the right info so they can enter it into the aptitude system |
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| 09:32.04 | themill | what do you mean? |
| 09:32.41 | hroi | themill: the aptitude system doesnt resolve the dependencies correctly - it even claimed not to have some relevant dependencies. |
| 09:32.57 | hroi | themill: which was completely wrong I found them all in the standar deb repository |
| 09:32.59 | themill | I still haven't got a clue what you're saying? |
| 09:33.32 | themill | aptitude doesn't have dependencies, packages do. What package are you talking about? |
| 09:33.53 | hroi | themill: if you try to follow the standard way of making a debian package - it wont find you the right dependencies, and it will even claim not to have some of them. wrong. |
| 09:34.08 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:34.08 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 09:34.56 | themill | hroi: please start being specific... this is far more painful than it should be |
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| 09:35.17 | N-I-L | vyadhaka: possibly check your fstab if you havent yet and also if your using grub thats something to look at as well. |
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| 09:35.47 | Polysics | argh, my old Ubuntu home directory is encrypted - can i recover it somehow? |
| 09:35.48 | hroi | themill: when i tried backporting matplotlib to 1.0.1 using instructions here from the bot, aptitude failed to find the required libraries. |
| 09:35.53 | N-I-L | vyadhaka: again sorry im not more help. |
| 09:35.57 | Polysics | it probably looked like a good idea at the time |
| 09:36.02 | themill | hroi: it worked fine for me. |
| 09:36.38 | hroi | ok, lets get those instructions again, what is the name of the bot again |
| 09:38.02 | jelly | hroi: /msg dpkg ssb ? |
| 09:38.11 | hroi | right |
| 09:38.19 | Polysics | i tried messing around with ecryptfs but to no avail |
| 09:38.41 | Polysics | i guess encrypting the home directory does work for keeping people out, after all :-D |
| 09:38.47 | hroi | themill: did you build to 1.0.1? |
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| 09:39.11 | themill | hroi: yes. I did it at the same time as you were asking about it so that I could help you with the process. |
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| 09:39.29 | hroi | themill: this step failed for me "aptitude build-dep packagename;" |
| 09:39.34 | themill | (because it is *not* a simple backport to do so I figured you'd need some help) |
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| 09:41.28 | jelly | hroi: didn't we go thru this already? Did you install all the build-deps in versions that _are_ available in stable, instead? |
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| 09:41.45 | jelly | including eeeevil, huge, tex? |
| 09:42.20 | hroi | jelly: I installed all the version from staple, but only deps that are listed at the matplotlib website. |
| 09:42.35 | themill | *sigh* |
| 09:42.48 | jelly | hroi: install all the build-deps _debian_ wants you to |
| 09:42.53 | jelly | it's simpler |
| 09:43.11 | jelly | fuzz only the versions |
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| 09:43.57 | themill | (even that is not required to install all build-deps) |
| 09:44.04 | hroi | jelly: themill: ok I can see why it would be preferred to update all dependencies to lates when backporting - for the future of debian. |
| 09:44.38 | themill | there's no "updating" of dependencies going on here at all. Only installing them. |
| 09:45.31 | hroi | themill: ok, what about the error where build-deps claimed not to find one of the required deps. |
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| 09:45.44 | hroi | themill: how should I handle that error? |
| 09:45.45 | themill | WHAT ERROR |
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| 09:48.23 | hroi | themill: now I cant find it, because the behaviour has changed after I installed the dep that build-dep complained about |
| 09:48.33 | hroi | themill: I posted a pastebin last time... |
| 09:48.39 | hroi | themill: can you see it in the history? |
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| 09:49.56 | hroi | themill: jelly: yet it is interesting that after I installed the dependencies by myself, buil-dep looks much better this time. |
| 09:50.36 | themill | fires up a cowbuilder to investigate |
| 09:51.26 | hroi | themill: I can see that build-dep wants a lot of document compiling tools (I get it now) but also it wants the dbg version of many libraries. |
| 09:52.11 | hroi | themill: I guess thats all fine - well I'll try harder next time to use backporting - sorry to frustrate you. |
| 09:52.54 | themill | !dbugs 509100 |
| 09:52.59 | dpkg | #509100:N[aptitude] aptitude: build-dep fails when a virtual package is needed (); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:27:02 UTC [512034 555043 569568] |
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| 09:54.00 | themill | hroi: all I can guess is that you found that for "libpng-dev" (installing libpng12-dev by any other means solves this). The debug packages are needed to be able to build the matplotlib debug package. |
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| 09:55.03 | hroi | themill: ok, I get it now... you guys are really thorough in building packages - which is only good. |
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| 09:55.20 | hroi | themill: yes it had to do with some image lib. |
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| 09:55.59 | sgronblo | Hello, could somebody help me with installing my manually compiled vim as an alternative for editor. This master/slave stuff has me a bit confused. |
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| 09:56.36 | hroi | btw, are dbg versions any slower than non-dbg versions these days? |
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| 10:00.30 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 10:01.04 | Innocentus | How can I make names in a mounted smb filesystem case-insensivitve |
| 10:01.31 | Innocentus | Because linux actually tries to access the names case-insensitive whilst the windows server doesn't like it |
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| 10:02.12 | llutz | Innocentus: mount -o remount,nocase /mountpoint |
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| 10:02.27 | Innocentus | wow |
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| 10:03.08 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/myplaylist$mv "-4hpCyK3Up-w.mp3" what.mp3 |
| 10:03.12 | Agiofws | mv: invalid option -- '4' |
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| 10:03.25 | llutz | Agiofws: mv -- "-4hpCyK3Up-w.mp3" what.mp3 |
| 10:03.32 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 10:04.14 | Innocentus | llutz: How can I add the option to an existing fstab-entry?: //xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/data /share/server/data smbfs auto,rw,username=user,password=xxx |
| 10:04.20 | Innocentus | llutz: /etc/fstab |
| 10:04.31 | llutz | Innocentus: auto,nocase,rw.... |
| 10:04.42 | Agiofws | thank you llutz |
| 10:07.36 | Innocentus | llutz: thank you very much |
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| 10:12.51 | sgronblo | Could somebody advice me on how to add a new alternative to a link group using update-alternatives? |
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| 10:13.33 | sgronblo | I want to add /usr/local/bin/vim as an alternative named vim for the editor group |
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| 10:14.52 | berarma | sgronblo: man update-alternatives |
| 10:15.03 | sgronblo | yeah... i know |
| 10:15.12 | sgronblo | but i was too stupid to figure out how to do it |
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| 10:17.07 | zmo_ | i meant, with iptables itself |
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| 10:45.02 | skilz | Is there some text program to show is caps lock, num lock ect is on like 'Caps Lock: On' ect? |
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| 10:54.40 | AVRS | Hi. |
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| 10:55.17 | AVRS | I have upgraded the wheezy recently to Linux 3.0.0, and a couple of days ago started using Firefox 6.0. |
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| 10:55.33 | AVRS | Now I already got two kernel panics mentioning "firefox-bin: Tainted" |
| 10:56.08 | AVRS | It seems like that "Tainted" should be referring to a non-free kernel module, but the only non-free package I have (formally) installed is firmware-linux-nonfree. |
| 10:56.43 | AVRS | (a part of fglrx might be left somewhere, but⦠how to find out?) |
| 10:57.25 | AVRS | Does the problem have anything to do with Firefox 6.0? |
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| 11:00.01 | AVRS | The message line probably looks something like this one found on the Web: "Pid: 4083, comm: firefox-bin Tainted: G D 2.6.34.2-pax-test13 #1 1002HA/1002HA" |
| 11:00.24 | ham5 | probly |
| 11:01.48 | skilz | ham5: Got my dominos! :) |
| 11:01.59 | ham5 | ;) |
| 11:02.32 | skilz | bastards give me the wrong pizza so I made em come back! |
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| 11:06.41 | ben1066 | Hey |
| 11:06.48 | ben1066 | Im having trouble with preferances |
| 11:06.58 | ham5 | cant get your mom to put out |
| 11:06.59 | ham5 | so what |
| 11:07.20 | ben1066 | Ive got a machine stuck on lenny because squeezes udev breaks, badly |
| 11:07.39 | ben1066 | and so its just easier to stay on lenny |
| 11:07.40 | ham5 | no problems with udev |
| 11:07.55 | ben1066 | Its PPC if thats helps |
| 11:08.04 | ham5 | make more sence |
| 11:08.07 | ben1066 | It was something along the lines of "Failed to get Command control" |
| 11:08.19 | ben1066 | and that spammed on boot |
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| 11:09.09 | ben1066 | regardless that doesnt really matter, im just trying to set up a preferances file so I can pull packages from sloppy, then normal backports, then lenny, then I also want to be able to pull experiemental, i need the mono version there |
| 11:09.42 | ben1066 | however I dont REALLY understand the preferances file so I did apt-get upgrade and started getting packages from experiemental automatically |
| 11:09.55 | ham5 | cool story bro |
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| 11:10.31 | ben1066 | http://pastebin.com/e4vnFDu8 is what i have currently |
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| 11:11.46 | ben1066 | and yeah, it doesnt do as I wish, and i dont know what to change |
| 11:12.28 | tuxcrafter | can somebody explain to me when a package from experimental goes to unstable and when it goes from unstable to testingg |
| 11:12.42 | ham5 | when its ready |
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| 11:12.47 | tuxcrafter | i got some really buggy packages in testing that are fixed in experimental |
| 11:12.54 | tuxcrafter | like icedove and libreoffice |
| 11:13.01 | tuxcrafter | they are totaly broken in testing |
| 11:13.24 | ham5 | work fine |
| 11:13.36 | tuxcrafter | ham5: so the maintainer desides? |
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| 11:14.18 | tuxcrafter | ham5: pdf generation with some fonts in libreoffice is broken and the icedove amd64 version doesnt wrap mail when sending |
| 11:14.34 | ham5 | dont tell me tell bugs |
| 11:14.40 | ham5 | mine works just fine |
| 11:14.49 | sweetpi | ham5: are you drunk? |
| 11:14.59 | ham5 | ? |
| 11:15.00 | ben1066 | Can anyone help with my preferances issue? |
| 11:15.08 | sweetpi | your attitude sucks |
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| 11:15.20 | ham5 | love u sweetpi |
| 11:15.22 | sweetpi | ooh ctcp |
| 11:15.22 | ham5 | xox |
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| 11:15.47 | Kiddo_ | both icedove & libreoffice work fine for me on testing amd64. |
| 11:16.02 | ben1066 | lol ham5 |
| 11:16.09 | ham5 | lol vista |
| 11:16.13 | ben1066 | windows 7 |
| 11:16.24 | ben1066 | some reason the ctcp returns vista |
| 11:16.24 | ben1066 | :S |
| 11:16.38 | ham5 | no wonder you dont have a clue |
| 11:16.49 | ben1066 | how do you mean? |
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| 11:17.10 | ham5 | just what i mean, no clue whats going on or how debian works |
| 11:17.35 | tuxcrafter | .... |
| 11:17.41 | AVRS | tuxcrafter: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package= |
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| 11:17.51 | ben1066 | Its not that i havent used it before, ive just never had a system where ive had to keep on an older version and use newer packages, |
| 11:18.03 | ben1066 | And so Ive never needed to use /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 11:18.51 | PerfDave | How do you see which package may be responsible for a conffile? "dpkg -S" doesn't show ownership, and "dpkg -L" doesn't list conffiles |
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| 11:19.44 | themill | PerfDave: you could always grep in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.conffiles, but dpkg -S should show that to you too |
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| 11:19.51 | abrotman | hugs PerfDave |
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| 11:20.14 | ben1066 | whistles, anyone? |
| 11:20.18 | tuxcrafter | ben1066: man apt_preferences |
| 11:20.23 | ham5 | dpkg --search ? |
| 11:20.24 | dpkg | ham5: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 11:20.34 | abrotman | PerfDave: also note that not all conf files are listed in the system, they are generated at install time |
| 11:20.40 | ben1066 | Ive read the debian page on it, on the website and attempted to do what I thought would work |
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| 11:20.50 | hsar | hii |
| 11:21.02 | hsar | im trying bt4 on a virtual machime |
| 11:21.04 | hsar | machine |
| 11:21.06 | ben1066 | but as I said, its automatically pulling packages from unstable and experiemntal even though I dont want it to |
| 11:21.18 | ben1066 | unless its the only place they can be found |
| 11:21.21 | abrotman | ham5: that would be the same as dpkg -S |
| 11:21.24 | hsar | how do i connect it to the interent ( ----------I have no DE installed and i dont want to -------) |
| 11:21.28 | ben1066 | http://pastebin.com/e4vnFDu8 is what I currently have tuxcrafter |
| 11:21.31 | tuxcrafter | ben1066: set your APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 11:21.52 | ben1066 | Im running lenny because some things mean I cant update |
| 11:21.59 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, looks like the situation here - they're created with ucf in the postinst rather than listed as conffiles in the package |
| 11:22.01 | ben1066 | and so I want to use backports sloppy |
| 11:22.02 | PerfDave | hugs abrotman |
| 11:22.04 | tuxcrafter | ben1066: what do you want as final result |
| 11:22.04 | ben1066 | then backports |
| 11:22.07 | ben1066 | then lenny |
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| 11:22.10 | ben1066 | then unstable |
| 11:22.15 | ben1066 | then experiemental |
| 11:22.31 | tuxcrafter | just add the sources and set your default release |
| 11:22.34 | ben1066 | just because I need to use some unstable/experiemental packages |
| 11:22.38 | tuxcrafter | that will make the default release to 900 |
| 11:22.47 | PerfDave | hsar: What's bt4? |
| 11:22.49 | ben1066 | Ive added them to sources.lst |
| 11:22.55 | tuxcrafter | and it will only install packages from other sources if you tolled it to |
| 11:23.00 | sweetpi | hsar: wrong channel |
| 11:23.01 | tuxcrafter | with -t testing or /testing |
| 11:23.14 | ben1066 | Yeah, but tuxcrafter, i want to upgrade packages to the ones in backports |
| 11:23.14 | abrotman | hsar: this channel is for Debian, not BackTrack .. please ask #backtrack-linux |
| 11:23.23 | ben1066 | and sloppy before regular backports |
| 11:23.29 | hsar | perfdave backtrack 4 |
| 11:23.38 | hsar | sweetpi it is debian based abrotman |
| 11:23.38 | tuxcrafter | ben1066: well use /sqeeuze-backports then |
| 11:23.45 | PerfDave | !tell hsar -about bt4 |
| 11:23.46 | tuxcrafter | see apt-cache policy |
| 11:23.58 | ben1066 | tuxcrafter, as I said, I want it to automatically update to them.... |
| 11:23.58 | abrotman | !debian-based |
| 11:23.58 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 11:24.04 | abrotman | hsar: go to #backtrack-linux |
| 11:24.12 | hsar | okay |
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| 11:24.49 | ben1066 | I feel like im going in circles (metaphorically) |
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| 11:25.12 | tuxcrafter | ben1066: ok then you need a pinning for the package you want to update automaticly |
| 11:25.26 | ben1066 | I want ALL packages that can |
| 11:25.34 | ben1066 | to update to lenny backports sloppy |
| 11:25.40 | ben1066 | if they cant update to that |
| 11:25.44 | ben1066 | then lenny backports |
| 11:25.49 | ben1066 | if they cant update to that lenny |
| 11:25.58 | abrotman | uh, don't thnk lenny has sloppy |
| 11:25.59 | ben1066 | then, when I install a new package |
| 11:26.03 | abrotman | !enter |
| 11:26.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:26.04 | tuxcrafter | its not recommended.... |
| 11:26.05 | abrotman | jesus ... |
| 11:26.06 | ben1066 | It does abrotman |
| 11:26.28 | jelly | ben1066: don't upgrade ALL the packages, use backports for only those that you absolutely can't live without |
| 11:26.48 | ben1066 | tuxcrafter, I thought it only wasnt recommended because it makes the upgrade path difficult? I dont plan on updating because I physically cant |
| 11:27.06 | themill | ben1066: if you can randomly upgrade all possible packages like that, then you can upgrade to squeeze... |
| 11:27.07 | ham5 | vista douche |
| 11:27.12 | ben1066 | jelly its reccomended to update to lenny-backports because lenny itself doesnt get updates..... |
| 11:27.19 | tuxcrafter | ben1066: please read man apt_preferences again |
| 11:27.24 | themill | ben1066: no it is not. |
| 11:27.30 | tuxcrafter | and check with apt-cache policy |
| 11:27.32 | jelly | ben1066: recommended where, by whom? |
| 11:27.43 | ben1066 | jelly, http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 11:28.02 | themill | ben1066: it does not say that there |
| 11:28.13 | tuxcrafter | is going further with his work |
| 11:28.17 | ben1066 | themill, under "Get packages upgraded from backports.debian.org (Recommended!, only for lenny-backports(-sloppy))" |
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| 11:28.36 | themill | ben1066: you're misinterpreting what it says |
| 11:28.41 | ben1066 | it reccomends automatically upgrading packages to those in in lenny-backports |
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| 11:28.54 | abrotman | why won't he just upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 11:28.57 | jelly | ben1066: recommended to accomplish the line above: "To get packages that you have installed from backports automatically updated" |
| 11:29.17 | themill | ben1066: it recommends automatically upgrading getting security updates to packages that you have manually installed from lenny-backports. |
| 11:29.22 | ben1066 | abrotman, I would if the version of udev in squeeze didnt break my whole system, its ppc and it makes it unbootable |
| 11:29.32 | jelly | ben1066: that is, to be able to upgrade packages that you have ALREADY installed from backports before |
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| 11:29.47 | ben1066 | jelly, oh right, that makes more sense :P |
| 11:30.02 | themill | ben1066: ppc machines run on squeeze with no issues |
| 11:30.30 | ben1066 | themill, Well when I tried, I got an error, udevd unable to recieve control connection |
| 11:30.33 | ben1066 | spammed on boot |
| 11:30.36 | thescrutator | Hmm. |
| 11:30.48 | PerfDave | ben1066: Did you try reading the release notes or installation manual for Squeeze on PPC? |
| 11:30.50 | thescrutator | How do I tell Debian's console NOT to try switching to a fancy mode that my screen can't handle? |
| 11:31.01 | themill | ben1066: and so instead of trying to solve the problem you plan on just running lenny forever and not worrying about security support |
| 11:31.17 | ham5 | no security, thats right up his vista booty |
| 11:31.17 | abrotman | ben1066: it does not .. you're doing it wrong .. i upgraded a PPC system from lenny to squeeze |
| 11:31.26 | ben1066 | ham5, It isnt vista >_> |
| 11:31.27 | babilen | ben1066: You *need* the squeeze kernel as well though -- Please follow the release notes for your upgrade. How did you establish/test that you can not boot with squeeze? How did you upgrade? |
| 11:32.07 | themill | sends ham5 off to sober up for a while |
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| 11:32.17 | ben1066 | babilen, I followed the upgrade qguide, that says to change the deb lines in sources.list to squeeze, then to run to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:32.20 | ham5 | whatever just cause i hate the noobs |
| 11:32.37 | babilen | ben1066: No, it does not only say that. Which upgrade guide are you referring to? |
| 11:32.45 | PerfDave | ben1066: I'm reading the release notes for Squeeze on PPC right now, and what it says about udev when upgrading from Lenny |
| 11:33.03 | ben1066 | babilen, uhh......I didnt actually think to read the release notes specific to ppc |
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| 11:33.17 | babilen | ben1066: Which upgrade guide are you referring to? |
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| 11:33.36 | themill | ben1066: that isn't the recommended procedure for any architecture of debian (let alone any ppc specific things you may or may not need to do) |
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| 11:34.28 | ben1066 | I cant actually find the specific one I used, but I certainly couldnt find a ppc specific one |
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| 11:35.11 | themill | ben1066: ppc-specific or not, that is not the procedure listed in the release notes. |
| 11:35.17 | babilen | ben1066: Please read and follow the release notes for squeeze. They contain a complete step-by-step guide for upgrading. |
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| 11:35.24 | babilen | !tell ben1066 -about release notes |
| 11:35.36 | ham5 | be done with the vista troll |
| 11:35.44 | abrotman | ham5: done yet? |
| 11:35.54 | ham5 | i guess man, sorry |
| 11:35.56 | PerfDave | ben1066: debian.org -> release notes -> powerpc -> "Upgrading the kernel and udev". Only a few clicks. |
| 11:36.33 | themill | ben1066: ^^ and note that the section on "upgrading the kernel and udev" is the same in the release notes for other architectures too. |
| 11:36.37 | ben1066 | Whedre can I find the upgrade information at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 11:37.19 | themill | ben1066: the big link in the middle labelled "release note", perhaps? |
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| 11:37.47 | ben1066 | Oh right, I followed the wrong link :s |
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| 11:39.05 | ben1066 | the issue still is, the latest kernel I can use is 2.6.32 |
| 11:39.16 | ben1066 | I have compiled without sysfs_depracated though |
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| 11:39.55 | abrotman | still not reading the release notes? |
| 11:40.09 | PerfDave | Why are you compiling your own kernels? |
| 11:40.15 | thescrutator | How do I tell debian NOT to reconfigure the console? The default console works fine, but my screen can't support the (re)configured console. :( |
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| 11:40.24 | PerfDave | Debian goes to all this work to provide you with awesome kernel packages ;) |
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| 11:41.09 | babilen | thescrutator: If you are referring to KMS (kernel mode switching) as dpkg (our bot) about it -- /msg dpkg kms |
| 11:41.21 | babilen | thescrutator: Otherwise: Please elaborate |
| 11:41.23 | ben1066 | PerfDave, since I need a specific kernel |
| 11:41.28 | babilen | ben1066: Why? |
| 11:41.40 | ben1066 | Since half the hardware otherwise doesnt work |
| 11:41.46 | PerfDave | ben1066: If you're using a more recent kernel than Squeeze's default, on Lenny, then you've fallen foul of these udev problems already. |
| 11:41.53 | thescrutator | babilen: Ok, I'll elaborate: Steps performed: 1) Install Debian, back out of task sell as soon as possible. 2) Reboot. 3) Observe one can't see username prompt. |
| 11:42.03 | ben1066 | no, 2.6.32 |
| 11:42.10 | thescrutator | babilen: I suppose it might be using kms. |
| 11:42.11 | ben1066 | is the latest patches avaliable |
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| 11:42.34 | thescrutator | Ah. |
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| 11:42.44 | babilen | thescrutator: What do you mean by "back out of tasksel ASAP" ? What are you seeing? |
| 11:42.45 | anoob | how do i check which modules were compiled with my kernel? |
| 11:42.49 | thescrutator | babilen: It says; "To disable, edit...", which is... problematic. |
| 11:42.58 | babilen | thescrutator: How so? |
| 11:43.00 | anoob | i'm running debian's 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 11:43.02 | thescrutator | babilen: By "back out of tasksel ASAP", I mean, "Don't use tasksel to isntall anything". |
| 11:43.12 | abrotman | hit cancel ? |
| 11:43.26 | thescrutator | babilen: I can't log in using the console, because I can't *see* the console. |
| 11:43.41 | babilen | ben1066: I still don't understand why you need to compile your own kernel. .32 is in squeeze and which hardware (specific!) is not working with that kernel? What needs to be changed in the configuration for it to work? |
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| 11:44.30 | thescrutator | Is there a kernel argument I can use to disable kms? |
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| 11:44.33 | ben1066 | gc-linux have created patches that allow debian to run on both the nintendo wii and gamecube and without such patches it doesnt work, since i got given one I thought id give it a try :p |
| 11:44.34 | babilen | thescrutator: Then edit the grub kernel line (hit "e") and add nomodeset there ... You get to grub, don't you? And what did you mean by "back out of tasksel" ? |
| 11:44.47 | ben1066 | There is some mainline support, but not nearly enough |
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| 11:45.22 | thescrutator | babilen: "Deselect all selected options", and then continue. In teh past, you could literally cancel it. |
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| 11:45.40 | babilen | ben1066: Ok, thanks for elaborating. Are those patches included in newer kernel versions are will they be developed independently for some time to come? |
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| 11:46.09 | babilen | thescrutator: It is generally recommended to install the "standard" task, but I now understand what you mean. |
| 11:46.13 | ben1066 | They were developed, the project seems to have stagnated, they were being developed seperately then being merged into mainline |
| 11:46.35 | ben1066 | there is still partial support in mainline, but it is very limited |
| 11:46.49 | babilen | ben1066: So the project died and the patches have been merged into mainline? Which version? |
| 11:47.20 | thescrutator | babilen: nomodeset does the job perfectly, thanks. :) |
| 11:47.24 | ben1066 | The project died to an extent, the developers still are on their irc channel, about half the patches were merged into mainline at 2.6.33 |
| 11:47.43 | thescrutator | babilen: What does the 'standard' task include |
| 11:47.44 | ben1066 | However most support is still absent, as such, its still better to use 2.6.32 with the patches |
| 11:47.52 | thescrutator | babilen: This is why I don't like tasksel, it doesn't specify anything. |
| 11:47.52 | babilen | thescrutator: You are welcome -- You might revisit KMS once you've installed Xorg (if you plan to) |
| 11:48.14 | thescrutator | babilen: I plan to, I just didn't want gnome, network manager, or any of that cruft. |
| 11:48.24 | themill | dpkg: tell thescrutator about standard task |
| 11:48.54 | babilen | themill: ta :) |
| 11:49.08 | ben1066 | so yeah, im not really sure what i can do |
| 11:49.40 | thescrutator | themill: Apparently it installs packages that are 'important, required and standard', that's wonderfully descriptive. |
| 11:49.49 | themill | thescrutator: keep reaeding |
| 11:50.10 | thescrutator | I wonder if I can do an apt-cache search ~pstandard |
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| 11:50.13 | themill | thescrutator: you'll find those terms defined in debian policy if you want; /msg dpkg policy |
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| 11:50.25 | themill | thescrutator: what makes you think that will work? |
| 11:50.29 | babilen | thescrutator: aptitude can |
| 11:50.32 | ben1066 | I mean, preferably, id update to testing or unstable |
| 11:50.43 | ben1066 | And it doesnt support dependancy based boot, |
| 11:50.53 | themill | "it" |
| 11:50.54 | babilen | ben1066: what doesn't? |
| 11:51.19 | ben1066 | babilen, When I tried to update, it said something about not supporting dependancy based boot |
| 11:51.28 | babilen | "it" ? |
| 11:51.34 | ben1066 | then it became unbootable and I had to reinstall |
| 11:51.48 | ben1066 | "it" being dist-upgrade, which I have been told you shouldnt use :P |
| 11:52.01 | babilen | Sounds as if you made a mistake during the upgrade. (i.e. just used dist-upgrade) |
| 11:52.07 | themill | life would be so much easier if you actually tried to solve problems and followed the instructions given. |
| 11:52.22 | babilen | themill: insane idea! |
| 11:52.24 | ben1066 | themill, as I said, the kernel I require cant be installed from apt-get |
| 11:52.34 | themill | gives up |
| 11:52.50 | thescrutator | discovers that aptitude is now installed by default! |
| 11:52.57 | ben1066 | And i have attempted to follow the instructions, i did update udev, and then did dist-upgrade, but since i noticed that I did miss the minimal installation stage |
| 11:53.18 | thescrutator | isntalls those important packages. |
| 11:53.47 | ben1066 | themill, i did try to solve, but I didnt really know what I could do |
| 11:54.03 | ben1066 | thats why I came here for help D: |
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| 11:58.03 | ben1066 | INOTIFY_USER is enabled, SINGALFD is enabled and SYSFS_DEPRECATED is disabled |
| 11:59.16 | ben1066 | And I certainly had enough avaliable hdd space |
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| 12:01.28 | sagarchalise | Hi how can I get automount usb to get mounted at /media/{devicelabelname}. I am using xfce and my first device gets mounted at /media/usb0 and all other device mount as the way I desire. If I remove /media/usb0 I get error for first device I hotplug during automount and other run smooth |
| 12:03.34 | ben1066 | babilen, does that help at all? |
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| 12:10.13 | ben1066 | babilen, ? |
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| 12:10.25 | ben1066 | Ive read the release notes but they dont help :S |
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| 12:14.56 | PerfDave | ben1066: You could try #debian-ppc or similar |
| 12:15.13 | ben1066 | Ugghhh...i dontw ant to explain it again >_> |
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| 12:15.51 | abrotman | ben1066: so if you do a full dist-upgrade .. what happens? |
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| 12:16.07 | ben1066 | Uh |
| 12:16.17 | ben1066 | I get two udev related warnings saying stuff will be broken |
| 12:16.20 | ben1066 | upon restart |
| 12:16.24 | abrotman | because of your crap kernel ? |
| 12:16.39 | ben1066 | udevd unable to recieve control connection |
| 12:16.41 | ben1066 | spammed |
| 12:16.52 | ben1066 | And I dont know if it is because of the kernel or not |
| 12:17.03 | ben1066 | I made sure to have the correct config options for squeeze |
| 12:17.14 | abrotman | if you install the Debian kernel .. does the system boot and have network ? |
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| 12:18.04 | ben1066 | The debian kernel wont work since it needs patches to even boot correctly |
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| 12:18.44 | abrotman | but the gamecube doens't care about udev ? |
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| 12:19.42 | abrotman | so you could in theory, patch/compile the actual .32 kernel from squeeze, install it on your system, finish the dist-upgrade ... and be happy? |
| 12:19.56 | abrotman | (instead of whatever the heck your frankenkernel is) |
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| 12:22.10 | ben1066 | it shouldnt care, the kernel I currently have is a plain linux kernel with SYSFS_DEPRECATED disabled and patched |
| 12:22.21 | ben1066 | It shouldnt care about udev |
| 12:22.26 | ben1066 | I think tis a ppc issue |
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| 12:22.34 | abrotman | or you can keep arguing ... |
| 12:23.38 | ben1066 | abrotman, Im not meaning to be argumentitive...... |
| 12:24.00 | ben1066 | Debian has its own kernel patches? |
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| 12:24.50 | ben1066 | If so I could end up with some conflicts |
| 12:24.50 | ben1066 | :S |
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| 12:26.31 | ben1066 | abrotman, ? |
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| 12:27.59 | abrotman | ben1066: i suggested something to try .. take the Debian squeeze kernel sources, apply your patches, compile, see if it boots |
| 12:28.21 | ben1066 | abrotman, As I said, what does the debian kernel touch, since I think ill have some issues |
| 12:28.42 | themill | or you could not try |
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| 12:29.18 | ben1066 | i was just asking... |
| 12:29.23 | ben1066 | anyway gotta brb for a bit |
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| 12:33.15 | babilen | ben1066: You might also want to read http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 12:38.07 | Odaym | damn sound keeps disappearing! |
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| 12:40.58 | ben1066 | thanks babilen , i wish this could be simpler >_> |
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| 12:44.12 | Odaym | how does the sound just stop working all of a sudden |
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| 12:44.37 | Odaym | this isn't like a bug or anything, this is a fucking creature! |
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| 12:46.50 | tixus | hi |
| 12:47.08 | tixus | I'm having a big problem with X |
| 12:47.14 | tixus | after it starts, I can't press or do anything |
| 12:47.35 | tixus | (even if I try C-Alt-1, It doesn't do anything) |
| 12:47.35 | tixus | any idea? |
| 12:47.53 | tixus | I upgraded yesterday |
| 12:48.09 | ham5 | logs, glx probs? |
| 12:48.11 | tixus | I fully reinstalled HAL, DBUS, Xorg, etc |
| 12:48.21 | tixus | I can't see any log |
| 12:48.28 | tixus | I'll try glx |
| 12:48.32 | tixus | but I have to restart |
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| 12:48.35 | tixus | I need something else to try |
| 12:48.53 | ham5 | why cant you see logs? |
| 12:49.21 | tixus | I can't find X in /var/logs |
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| 12:49.47 | ham5 | nevermind ;\ |
| 12:50.01 | tixus | btw, gdm starts normally |
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| 12:51.21 | thewanderer1 | tixus: is that on Squeeze? |
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| 12:52.00 | tixus | thewanderer1: Lenny |
| 12:52.01 | thescrutator` | Hmm. How do I tell xorg not to use a resolution that breaks the screen? I set it using an xfce4 program that appears to ultimately use xrandr, but I can't change it back. |
| 12:52.10 | thescrutator` | (xrandr causes a seg fault if I run it from the console) |
| 12:52.23 | thescrutator` | I do not have kms enabled. |
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| 12:52.48 | thewanderer1 | tixus: upgrade to squeeze :P |
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| 12:52.53 | afuentes | is there a way to change the kind of mouse the system is detecting? |
| 12:53.11 | Odaym | squeeze is squeezing my last bit of patience |
| 12:53.13 | thescrutator` | afuentes: You'd need to configure a proper xorg.conf for that. |
| 12:53.14 | tixus | thewanderer1: I can't :P |
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| 12:53.35 | tixus | thewanderer1: plus, I can't reinstall the distro |
| 12:53.42 | Odaym | the sound disappears at random sometimes |
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| 12:54.03 | thewanderer1 | tixus: so try using a config file generated by `X -configure` |
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| 12:54.20 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: are you, by any chance, using PulseAudio? |
| 12:54.29 | Odaym | how can I make sure? |
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| 12:54.56 | Odaym | but I've seen nothing of that name before, I know pulseAudio and what it is, but what I've seen around more frequently is alsa |
| 12:55.00 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: ps auxww | grep "[p]ulse" |
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| 12:55.34 | Odaym | 6623 0.1 0.3 171224 9912 ? Ssl Aug15 6:34 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start |
| 12:55.36 | HashNuke | hi all. I installed debian to my laptop from the Live CD image. I'm now on the command line after reboot. How can I use my wireless? |
| 12:55.37 | tixus | i'll be back in a bit |
| 12:55.41 | tixus | thewanderer1: I'll try |
| 12:55.48 | Odaym | does that mean that I use pulse? |
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| 12:55.50 | tixus | ciao! \/ |
| 12:55.51 | tixus | \o/ |
| 12:56.20 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: does the username match your user? the first column should show the username |
| 12:56.26 | Odaym | yes |
| 12:56.33 | Odaym | the process is mine |
| 12:56.43 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: then PulseAudio is enabled... and from my experience, it likes to crash randomly |
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| 12:56.51 | thescrutator | I can't seem to m-a nvidia. :( |
| 12:56.53 | Odaym | yes I've read a lot about how horrible it is |
| 12:57.32 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: you can disable pulse-audio by uninstalling it. disabling it for a given user only is hardly possible, it always finds a way to spawn :/ |
| 12:57.36 | HashNuke | anyone? |
| 12:57.47 | Odaym | what do I do when I uninstall it? |
| 12:57.52 | Odaym | what do i install in its stead? |
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| 12:58.01 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: relogin, and your programs should default to ALSA automatically |
| 12:58.06 | Odaym | really |
| 12:58.08 | Odaym | alright |
| 12:58.10 | Odaym | let's see |
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| 12:58.37 | lynx_____ | I'm trying to compil |
| 12:59.12 | Odaym | be right back to log out |
| 12:59.16 | lynx_____ | I'm trying to compile a program called wget-1.12 in Debian squeeze. in http.c I get an error saying openssl.o: In function `ssl_init': openssl.c:(.text+0xd51): undefined reference to `SSLv2_client_method' , collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 12:59.44 | lynx_____ | Why does it say this? this is my compile line: gcc -O2 -Wall -o wget cmpt.o connect.o convert.o cookies.o ftp.o css.o css-url.o ftp-basic.o ftp-ls.o hash.o host.o html-parse.o html-url.o http.o init.o log.o main.o netrc.o progress.o ptimer.o recur.o res.o retr.o snprintf.o spider.o url.o utils.o exits.o build_info.o version.o ftp-opie.o openssl.o http-ntlm.o gen-md5.o ../lib/libgnu.a /usr/lib/libssl.so /usr/lib/libcr |
| 13:00.02 | themill | lynx_____: wget 1.12 is already in squeeze. |
| 13:00.10 | lynx_____ | I know but I'm compiling my own custom version |
| 13:00.19 | lynx_____ | With one minor change... |
| 13:00.31 | themill | lynx_____: that means that starting with the debian package would be a good plan. /msg dpkg package recompile. |
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| 13:01.23 | lynx_____ | Thank you |
| 13:01.48 | lynx_____ | Do I make the same changes to the debian source code? Will it compile fine? |
| 13:02.04 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke, check if your network interface is detected by Linux, then install wpasupplicant if not already done, and configure wpasupplicant to connect you |
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| 13:02.19 | Odaym | well, it's been removed, but the grep command still produces the same output |
| 13:02.22 | themill | lynx_____: that rather depends on your changes; the unmodified source package should compile just fine, yes. |
| 13:02.23 | thewanderer1 | lynx_____: it depends on whether your changes are error-free :) |
| 13:02.25 | Odaym | but now there is no sound icon on the panel |
| 13:03.08 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: try killing the pulseaudio process. if PA is removed, it will not respawn |
| 13:03.15 | Odaym | i did that |
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| 13:03.33 | Odaym | but still there's no sound, but when i enter sound from System > Preferences, I see HDA Intel (ALSA Mixer) |
| 13:03.34 | thewanderer1 | well, did it work? :P |
| 13:03.34 | lynx_____ | Also, I Udid upgrade openssl to 1.0.0d |
| 13:03.41 | lynx_____ | The Error was an SSL error, could that be the problem? |
| 13:04.07 | Odaym | maybe it's like when Arch starts, i have to access alsa (i think) from the command line and unmute something |
| 13:04.19 | Odaym | oh, alsamixer |
| 13:04.21 | Odaym | that's the command |
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| 13:04.33 | thewanderer1 | wait, what Arch? |
| 13:04.39 | Odaym | no im on debian now |
| 13:04.45 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: ya i can connect via ethernet. |
| 13:04.47 | Odaym | but in arch, when you first boot, sound is muted |
| 13:04.53 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: just the wireless |
| 13:04.56 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: yeah, try alsamixer too |
| 13:04.57 | HashNuke | isn't working |
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| 13:05.04 | Odaym | nothing is muted |
| 13:05.08 | HashNuke | i mean I don't know how to connect. |
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| 13:05.48 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: are you going to be using the system in console mode, or rather get a GUI for it? |
| 13:06.14 | stepkrav | is there a way to install iceweasel 5.0 on debian stable ? |
| 13:06.26 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: run some sound-related program in a terminal emulator and see if it throws any errors |
| 13:06.26 | themill | dpkg: tell stepkrav about mdn |
| 13:06.26 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: i'm going to be using the console mode. |
| 13:07.05 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: is your wireless interface detected in `ip link show`? if you call `iwlist scan` as root, does it display wireless networks around you? |
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| 13:07.36 | HashNuke | iwlist - command not found |
| 13:07.38 | stepkrav | themill, thanks. unfortunately mozilla.debian.net, has no iceweasel-5.0 option right now. used to have a while ago |
| 13:07.50 | themill | stepkrav: it has iceweasel 6 |
| 13:08.08 | themill | lynx_____: yes. and you shouldn't do that. |
| 13:08.13 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: on "ip link show", it also lists a wlan0. |
| 13:08.14 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: you need wireless-tools package for it |
| 13:08.17 | stepkrav | indeed. i just wanted 5 due to some plugins incompatibilities |
| 13:08.22 | themill | lynx_____: that's not "one small change". |
| 13:08.30 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: ah, I was trying to install "iwlist". |
| 13:08.32 | Odaym | i ran totem from the command line, and I got this jack server is not running or cannot be started |
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| 13:08.33 | Odaym | Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory |
| 13:08.33 | themill | stepkrav: ah... plugins get updated relatively fast. |
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| 13:09.48 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: did a iwlist scan and found my wireless home network listed there. how do i connect to that? |
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| 13:10.33 | Odaym | this has been happening since the first day i installed squeeze |
| 13:10.47 | Odaym | never seen this problem with any other distro |
| 13:10.56 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: connected! thanks a lot! |
| 13:11.02 | lynx_____ | Where does the source code for apt-get source download to? |
| 13:11.04 | Odaym | and I've installed more distros than I've had hot meals |
| 13:11.48 | HashNuke | oh no. haven't connected yet |
| 13:11.49 | themill | lynx_____: that is covered in the man page. |
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| 13:12.23 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: you should install wpasupplicant package and read the supplied documentation in order to configure it |
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| 13:12.58 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: your programs still seem to be using PulseAudio, sure you've removed it? O.o |
| 13:13.12 | Odaym | sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio |
| 13:13.13 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: I tried connecting using "iwconfig wlan0 essid UTStarcom" and i acquired a wireless ip by "dhclient wlan0". ifconfig now lists my wireless IP. just not able to connect to the net. |
| 13:13.16 | Odaym | do I use purge? |
| 13:13.34 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: try it and see :P |
| 13:13.38 | Odaym | alright, I did purge |
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| 13:13.44 | Odaym | nothing happened |
| 13:13.48 | Odaym | 0 bytes to be removed |
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| 13:13.59 | lynx_____ | it wasn't covered in the man page, h owever I found it in the exact same directory I typed the command in |
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| 13:14.02 | anoob | should i add myself to ww-data group to handle files within /var/www or what's the best approach? |
| 13:14.06 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: what does that mean? |
| 13:14.15 | PerfDave | anoob: Why do you want to handle files within /var/www ? |
| 13:14.20 | Odaym | be right back to see |
| 13:14.21 | Odaym | exit |
| 13:14.30 | anoob | i'm a php programmer |
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| 13:14.58 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: i can use the net via the ethernet even after those two commands. but not via wireless. I just got an ip address via wireless. but pinging google, doesn't work. |
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| 13:15.38 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: does pinging some local IP address work? also, are you sure that you are using the wireless interface for ping, not the wired? |
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| 13:15.59 | thewanderer1 | anoob: that's one way, another is using ACL to grant PHP access to files that it should write to |
| 13:16.21 | anoob | what's the "best practice"? |
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| 13:17.05 | Odaym | now nothing appears in System > Preferences > Sound except for HDA Intel (ALSA Mixer) |
| 13:17.08 | thewanderer1 | anoob: I don't think there's any... using group membership in www-data is used more often because ACL is less-known. |
| 13:17.13 | Odaym | but still no sound |
| 13:17.19 | Odaym | and the grep command no longer shows up anything for pulse |
| 13:17.28 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: do programs still throw errors? |
| 13:17.34 | Odaym | yes but non-related |
| 13:17.36 | Odaym | at all |
| 13:17.40 | anoob | thewanderer1, whre can i read about acl? |
| 13:17.44 | Odaym | something about jack (meaning line in / mic) |
| 13:17.51 | thewanderer1 | anoob: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:17.54 | anoob | i don't know nothing about acl and i've never heard about it |
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| 13:18.49 | anoob | are there any security concern about assign www-data to an user? |
| 13:19.11 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: does `mplayer -ao alsa /random/music/file.ogg` work, assuming you point it to some real sound that should be played? |
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| 13:19.49 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: not able to ping local too. |
| 13:19.54 | thewanderer1 | anoob: there shouldn't be any, no |
| 13:20.17 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: how are you testing it? unplugging the wire, then pinging? |
| 13:20.36 | Odaym | it doesn't |
| 13:20.42 | Odaym | I use "totem" to run movie player |
| 13:20.43 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: ya |
| 13:21.17 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: unplugging the wire. then running "iwconfig wlan0 essid UTStarcom", then "dhclient wlan0". then piging |
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| 13:21.29 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: and both your interfaces still have their IP config untouched... what this means is that the system is trying to use the wired interface to ping |
| 13:22.03 | HashNuke | oh |
| 13:22.08 | lynx_____ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.36 | ben1066 | Agh |
| 13:22.46 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: honestly, I haven't seen anything like this before... my best bet would be something is already occupying the sound device |
| 13:22.50 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: how do i switch? |
| 13:22.51 | ben1066 | Trying to install new mono from experiemental and I get a lot of errors like mono-complete: Depends: mono-runtime (= 2.10.4-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:22.53 | lynx_____ | I tried downloading the source code, I ran autogen.sh, it gave me several errors, including configure.ac:103: required file `build-aux/compile' not found or Makefile.am: required file `./NEWS' not found |
| 13:22.58 | Odaym | thewanderer1, how can I know what is my sound card? |
| 13:23.02 | lynx_____ | Why doesn't it work? |
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| 13:23.05 | Odaym | lspci something? |
| 13:23.10 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: `ifconfig eth0 down` should disable the wired interface |
| 13:23.21 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: just lspci, should display an Audio Controller |
| 13:23.39 | wols | ben1066: ot |
| 13:23.53 | wols | ben1066: it's experimental. you are to be expected to deal with those errors yourself |
| 13:24.06 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: and still no luck with pinging google. |
| 13:24.20 | lynx_____ | ANSWER ME! |
| 13:24.27 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: does pinging a local address work? |
| 13:24.29 | lynx_____ | yI`%;ya o+w[5>O/ drHIUh' SbE8Qv@G `;-1gHn ~,q-7H0 VEEAM~1k |
| 13:24.34 | lynx_____ | (~Ac&SO^ Jz8|JL PPmbO)}> zEOSl>hb pA:\Ru$r [~`xW>O b-ok}/y |
| 13:24.39 | lynx_____ | DRWkAHF} >ro5<,Mr e/ih;. V@z_KQUw .g]WMYxf w7{BS|Q> /-p%"Acw |
| 13:24.42 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: nope. |
| 13:24.44 | lynx_____ | r%zkmo/" q4oZRJv9 )/)`j$4n S3}vUz| |M`[RI Se%;RHS _@=,{Or% |
| 13:24.47 | PerfDave | lynx_____: I don't think you're gong to encourage many people to help you by throwing a hissy fit |
| 13:24.49 | lynx_____ | xJAsvNbU C]S}?(S h;KfzC H|y]A9 MKcLkfQ( RR, h#L aa]SCA** |
| 13:24.54 | lynx_____ | gF&cF, ep:oJaDg ?),:!z PTfmy)+ U`.@tYG> OqMT>d rzc.v=+] |
| 13:24.59 | lynx_____ | REmiIo( ?xd>'>a) x}>x<W (Z./_tEA rt+DB MH pK,doVp Z2hv}% |
| 13:25.04 | lynx_____ | ANSWER ME! |
| 13:25.05 | lynx_____ | I tried downloading the source code, I ran autogen.sh, it gave me several errors, including configure.ac:103: required file `build-aux/compile' not found or Makefile.am: required file `./NEWS' not found |
| 13:25.06 | wols | !ops please remove the kid. it's way past its bedtime |
| 13:25.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: wols complains about: please remove the kid. it's way past its bedtime |
| 13:25.12 | lynx_____ | C6P)7D0_ DBbxG@_< I)JmPGn< "(=9`\ Rqd\OF7- UqIA{yP/ y:|N*\ |
| 13:25.17 | lynx_____ | s:g{(iP) =`jwE;,k `+(M(Mf o[DJwan ?JDiScRl n`l7*P=z tp=F46.m |
| 13:25.19 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: i have a server running on my other comp. So I'm pinging that. I also verified it by accessing the server from my phone's wifi. so that works fine. |
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| 13:25.22 | lynx_____ | =i^kq"G z \H:v G3.n;B@? :avT*^~ <[rRFx-4 n"-]F'C sr]k!Ny4 |
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| 13:25.36 | wols | HashNuke: what is the error you get by pinging google? |
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| 13:25.50 | abrotman | again? seriously? |
| 13:26.06 | HashNuke | wols: unknown host |
| 13:26.27 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: and what's the error when pinging a local address? |
| 13:26.28 | wols | HashNuke: nslookup google.com |
| 13:26.47 | Odaym | thewanderer1, I'm following the ALSA wiki and installing the RealTek driver |
| 13:26.54 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: unknown host for that too. |
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| 13:27.35 | Odaym | I use aplay and nothing happens |
| 13:27.36 | Odaym | :o |
| 13:27.52 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: ping by address, not by host name |
| 13:27.54 | Odaym | usually a reboot fixes this, but i don't want to have to reboot ever again for such a mediocre issue |
| 13:28.10 | HashNuke | wols: "server cannot find http://google.com". and then i get the "server" as 192.168.1.1 which is my router's address and "address" as 192.168.1.1#53 |
| 13:28.13 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: uh, maybe reboot before you dive into borking your system O.o |
| 13:28.18 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: oh ok. |
| 13:28.24 | wols | HashNuke: it did say something. I want to kbnow hwat |
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| 13:28.27 | Odaym | no, it should learn |
| 13:28.36 | Odaym | i want to teach it a lesson |
| 13:28.37 | wols | HashNuke: ok, you can ping your router then? |
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| 13:28.56 | HashNuke | wols: ya pinging router works fine! |
| 13:29.00 | ben1066 | Can I update to squeeze |
| 13:29.05 | ben1066 | But keep the lenny udev? |
| 13:29.05 | rical | does anyone know how I can check the scheduling priority and nice level of a running process? perhaps some proc file? |
| 13:29.13 | HashNuke | wols: "ping 192.168.1.1" returns fine. |
| 13:29.16 | wols | ben1066: yes |
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| 13:29.32 | ben1066 | wols, how would I do so? |
| 13:29.33 | wols | HashNuke: route -n I guess then |
| 13:29.49 | wols | !tell ben1066 about hold |
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| 13:30.09 | HashNuke | wols: I got two lines. what info can i provide? |
| 13:30.21 | wols | ben1066: IIRC you have to keep lenny kernel too but I guess that is no problem for you. my suggestin: ask your hoster for updates, if he doesn't deliver, choose a new hoster which is competent |
| 13:30.36 | Odaym | ok ok I guess I'll reboot to see if the pulseaudio purging took effect |
| 13:30.38 | wols | HashNuke: mainly the default route |
| 13:31.02 | HashNuke | there are two destinations. one is 192.168.1.0 and the other is 0.0.0.0. |
| 13:31.18 | HashNuke | wols: the one with 0.0.0.0 has the gateway as my router's IP |
| 13:31.59 | ben1066 | so wols echo udev hold|dpkg --set-selections |
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| 13:32.11 | ben1066 | and then when I do dist-upgrade, i should keep the lenny udev? |
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| 13:33.17 | HashNuke | oh crap! i just pinged "google.com" instead of "http://google.com" and it works fine |
| 13:33.37 | HashNuke | wols: thewanderer1: thanks! my wireless works |
| 13:33.46 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 13:34.28 | Odaym | thewanderer1, it works now |
| 13:34.29 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: read documentation about how to carry this out automatically in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:34.39 | Odaym | I can rest and not worry about alsa behaving like the cursed pulseaudio? |
| 13:34.39 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: ya i'll do that. |
| 13:34.51 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: let's hope so :P |
| 13:34.55 | Odaym | hehe |
| 13:35.02 | Odaym | I've read so much about how horrible it is |
| 13:35.04 | Odaym | so much |
| 13:35.14 | HashNuke | I switched from Ubuntu (4yrs) to Debian coz I didn't like the way they were experimenting with a lot of changes. Now I'm very happy |
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| 13:35.56 | Odaym | what is this a "true testimony"? |
| 13:36.04 | Odaym | :P |
| 13:36.11 | Odaym | and wait till you see what's happening in Ubuntu lately, HashNuke |
| 13:36.17 | Odaym | appauling |
| 13:36.20 | Odaym | appalling* |
| 13:36.34 | PerfDave | is happy to be leaving his Ubuntu-centric job at the end of next week |
| 13:37.19 | Odaym | about Debian though... |
| 13:37.34 | Odaym | personally I've never looked at it as a desktop kind of distro |
| 13:37.37 | themill | searches for PerfDave in an offtopic channel |
| 13:37.42 | Odaym | always tooted as the ultimate for servers |
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| 13:38.03 | PerfDave | Odaym: I run Debian on my desktop, my laptop, my g/fs laptop and my servers :) |
| 13:38.16 | Odaym | I'm sure |
| 13:38.16 | HashNuke | Odaym: why? any surprises? |
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| 13:38.26 | Odaym | but I'm talking about..I guess the average user |
| 13:38.34 | PerfDave | Much better desktop distro than Ubuntu IME - far less buggy and more stable |
| 13:38.49 | Odaym | well yea I guess I'm wrong about that one |
| 13:38.55 | Arafangion | What's the easiest way for me to install the Very Latest Kernel. (I want support for a Realtek RTL8188CE. |
| 13:38.56 | Odaym | just been on debian for...what 3 months? |
| 13:38.57 | Odaym | yea |
| 13:38.58 | PerfDave | Odaym: YMMV :) |
| 13:39.17 | thewanderer1 | Arafangion: compile it yourself using kernel-package |
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| 13:39.29 | zykotick9 | PerfDave, coming from Ubuntu I've noticed a big difference in quality with Debian |
| 13:39.30 | Odaym | hey thanks thewanderer1, by the way |
| 13:39.35 | Arafangion | thewanderer1: Thanks, I'll ask dpkg about kernel-package then. :) |
| 13:39.38 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Which Debian kernel supports it? |
| 13:39.44 | Odaym | what do you mean "quality", zykotick9? |
| 13:39.46 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Apparently, the ones in testing. |
| 13:39.46 | HashNuke | Odaym: well I love simple stuff. No flashy things like Unity. |
| 13:39.51 | wols | !tell Arafangion about kp mantra |
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| 13:40.02 | Arafangion | Thanks wols. :) |
| 13:40.17 | HashNuke | Odaym: I mostly work on the command line, I can run a browser from elsewhere if I need :) but I like my workspace clean or command line. Anything works :) |
| 13:40.20 | thewanderer1 | hm, installing a kernel from testing should be possible on stable without too much breakage, no? |
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| 13:40.26 | ben1066 | I think this SHOULD work |
| 13:40.30 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl8188 |
| 13:40.30 | Odaym | that's true |
| 13:40.30 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n PCI-E devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u>. See also <what's my wireless>. |
| 13:40.31 | zykotick9 | Odaym, things work, less bugs, "weapons grade" stablility |
| 13:40.33 | Arafangion | Oh, I was hoping that there were pre-prepared kernel backports. |
| 13:40.34 | ben1066 | Im upgrading to sid, while holding the udev |
| 13:40.37 | kW_ | Hello! This package "gcc-4.4" for "amd64" has a file /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4/libgcc_s.so , but this is a symlink to /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 , which does not exist. This is why I cannot compile, does anybody know how to solve this? |
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| 13:40.42 | Odaym | yes zykotick9 |
| 13:40.43 | ben1066 | so hopefully Ill still have a bootable system |
| 13:40.45 | ben1066 | :D |
| 13:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | !rtl8188ce |
| 13:40.48 | dpkg | For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-based PCI-E wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>. For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-VAU-based USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>. |
| 13:40.56 | Arafangion | the former. |
| 13:41.11 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: try X.org with "awesome" window manager, feels like console but much better :P |
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| 13:41.15 | Arafangion | !rtl8192ce |
| 13:41.15 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 13:41.19 | Odaym | besides, here on Debian I've found real freedom, I can do anything I want, I've never found a road block |
| 13:41.26 | Odaym | or a dead-end |
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| 13:41.38 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: I used to use Xmonad a lot. Must get back to that. I'll give awesome a try too. |
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| 13:41.49 | Arafangion | is there no pre-prepared linux kernel image I can install, or do I have to do the kp thing myself? |
| 13:41.59 | wols | kW_: libgcc1 is installed? |
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| 13:42.05 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: isn't that "awesomed"? |
| 13:42.15 | kW_ | wols: yes |
| 13:42.20 | wols | Arafangion: you can compile the testing ekrnel your own. with kernel-package |
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| 13:42.23 | thewanderer1 | HashNuke: no, just awesome :P |
| 13:42.53 | wols | kW_: then I suggest you reinstall it forcefully, cause that's the package which should have that file. in fact, I'd probably reinstall the whole compiler |
| 13:43.03 | wols | kW_: cause something went very wrong for you |
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| 13:43.32 | HashNuke | thewanderer1: ya that'll work for me. I'll try that soon. |
| 13:43.36 | Arafangion | I guess I'll compile the kernel. |
| 13:43.49 | thewanderer1 | Arafangion: there is 2.6.39 in backports |
| 13:43.53 | wols | Arafangion: use the debian .config file of course |
| 13:43.56 | wols | thewanderer1: won't help him |
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| 13:44.02 | thewanderer1 | wols: why wouldn't it? |
| 13:44.08 | wols | cause he needs 3.0.0 |
| 13:44.27 | HashNuke | since it's Lua. I'll be happy to configure it. Ease of configuring and writing my own stuff is one reason I switched from Emacs to Vim |
| 13:44.40 | kW_ | wols: ah, I see, libgcc1 was installed, but it was from gcc-4.6 (and the libgcc1-4.6-version is apparently incompatible with gcc-4.4) |
| 13:44.42 | wols | he made the error of buing a realtek wlan nic, now he has to suffer ;) |
| 13:44.58 | thewanderer1 | wols: didn't the message from dpkg say it's been available since 2.6.38? O.o |
| 13:45.06 | kW_ | wols: now I get the next error... "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libstdc++.a(functexcept.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `_ZNSt10bad_typeidD1Ev' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC" |
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| 13:45.11 | g00se | I think i might have just bungled. I intended to install xfce4 in squeeze expert mode and chose 'Graphical Desktop Environment' hoping to get further options. Instead the installer is going ahead. What am i going to get? |
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| 13:45.30 | thewanderer1 | g00se: hmmm GNOME? :) |
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| 13:45.48 | wols | g00se: depends on the installer you used. probably gnome |
| 13:46.05 | wols | !tell g00se about remove gnome |
| 13:46.15 | wols | you can then later simply install xfce4 and all will be well |
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| 13:47.42 | g00se | Thanks guys. Wish i'd asked first ;) |
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| 13:49.07 | ben1066 | i quite like the new gnome |
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| 13:50.50 | markitoxs | does anyone have any hints why an ssh session will compeletely become unresponsive when exectuing certain commands .e.g "top" ? |
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| 13:52.06 | Cain | Hi, i have one vps running debian lenny, dpkg lenny->squeeze procedure wants me to check is i have a 2.6.32 kernel : the vps kernel is 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64, do i have to upgrade it in order to upgrade the vps to squeeze ? |
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| 13:57.44 | merwok | Hi everyone! Iâm trying to learn the tools by building my first package but stumbled on a problem: |
| 13:57.56 | merwok | I used dh_make to create the debian directory, put dh % --with python3, and found that the system python (2.x) was used |
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| 14:00.25 | merwok | Ah, searching with a different query tells me that python3.* are not used to run the setup.py script as I assumed |
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| 14:00.43 | merwok | puts the Stupid Hat on |
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| 14:08.35 | grondilu | How can I know which package is a program from? (my concern is about the 'xxd' hex dump program) |
| 14:09.36 | jelly | grondilu: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 14:10.36 | grondilu | oh, thanks! |
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| 14:10.55 | merwok | grondilu: dlocate -S is a nice alternative to dpkg -S |
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| 14:11.30 | grondilu | hum, it tells me xxd is part of vim-common. Weird :/ |
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| 14:16.13 | grondilu | anyway, thanks again for your quick answer |
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| 14:28.16 | Odaym | thewanderer1, you still around? |
| 14:28.29 | zfe_ | hello |
| 14:28.31 | zfe_ | i ahve problems |
| 14:28.33 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: yup |
| 14:28.37 | zfe_ | i can't paste in the terminal |
| 14:28.38 | zfe_ | :( |
| 14:28.57 | Odaym | I'm having a problem with one of my scripts, it cannot fetch an image from a certain folder after it (www-data) has uploaded it, because www-data creates (uploads) the image with its rights, meaning oday (me) cannot access it |
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| 14:29.20 | Odaym | so effectively, when I do /var/www/ZineDB/images/(I cannot tab it out here because it isn't readable for me / or executable) |
| 14:29.25 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Use a common group. |
| 14:29.31 | Odaym | how can I give www-data permission to this folder |
| 14:29.33 | mjmt | Odaym: If it's also group www-data, you could add yourself to that group. |
| 14:29.42 | Odaym | hmm |
| 14:29.43 | Odaym | ok |
| 14:29.44 | Odaym | wait |
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| 14:30.33 | Odaym | the pictures still have locks on 'em |
| 14:30.41 | Odaym | and permissions says I am not the owner, etc.. |
| 14:30.52 | Odaym | I added myself to www-data by the way, through Users and Groups GUI |
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| 14:31.42 | Odaym | ls -ltr on /var/www/ZineDB/images produces all permissions for user and group www-data |
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| 14:31.54 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: you need to relogin to update group memberships |
| 14:31.59 | Odaym | i mean, owner and..something, just two columns mentioning www-data |
| 14:32.05 | Odaym | oh |
| 14:32.11 | Odaym | that's true |
| 14:32.14 | thewanderer1 | Odaym: and what are the permissions? 0750? |
| 14:32.14 | Odaym | hold on, then |
| 14:32.38 | Odaym | I don't know what those are, but the letters are -rw-r--r-- for all the images |
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| 14:32.46 | Odaym | so the owner gets read and write, and the rest is just read |
| 14:32.48 | Odaym | as you know |
| 14:33.05 | g00se | The trouble is, it's not just the Gnome desktop is it - it's stuff like Evolution and other desktop apps..? |
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| 14:33.19 | Odaym | let me just relogin, that'll solve it |
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| 14:33.20 | Odaym | one moment |
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| 14:34.06 | Shadur | In /etc/debian/interfaces, how do I specify both an ipv6 and an ipv4 stanza for the same interface? |
| 14:34.24 | g00se | Aargh and even a Gnome browser, which i didn't even know existed! |
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| 14:35.14 | Odaym | nope, still can't access them |
| 14:35.24 | Odaym | and still "locked" |
| 14:35.27 | Odaym | with the emblem |
| 14:35.46 | Odaym | if I chmod it now, it'll work for the images that are present at this moment, but not when I upload again |
| 14:36.20 | merwok | Odaym: Ah, youâre talking about the file manager emblems, not actual locks |
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| 14:36.36 | Odaym | yes but it does give it that emblem whenever the file is locked |
| 14:36.38 | merwok | Odaym: File managers may use a lock icon to say âno write rightsâ |
| 14:36.41 | Odaym | and the permissions are uneditable for me |
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| 14:36.46 | merwok | Odaym: Itâs best to use a terminal |
| 14:36.51 | Odaym | what? |
| 14:36.58 | Odaym | use a terminal for what? |
| 14:37.05 | twobitsprite | everything |
| 14:37.07 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 14:37.13 | merwok | Itâs best to use a terminal to see the actual rights and owners. File managers pictures are not universal. |
| 14:37.26 | merwok | Also, twobitsprite +1 |
| 14:37.51 | Odaym | i mentioned that i ls -ltr'ed it |
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| 14:38.25 | Arafangion | Odaym: +0.5 |
| 14:38.28 | mjmt | Odaym: You need to change the file's owning group permissions, you said those allowed read only. |
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| 14:40.07 | mjmt | I'm drunk, hope I'm making sense. |
| 14:40.18 | Odaym | maybe but..I dont know how to apply that |
| 14:40.29 | mjmt | chmod g+w |
| 14:40.42 | Odaym | group write |
| 14:40.46 | Odaym | ok.. |
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| 14:40.51 | Odaym | one moment |
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| 14:41.51 | Odaym | that gave a 0 in the exit status |
| 14:41.53 | Odaym | so..let's hope |
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| 14:43.03 | Odaym | well, I just did "chmod g+w /directory" |
| 14:43.04 | Odaym | :p |
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| 14:43.34 | Odaym | from my user |
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| 14:44.24 | Odaym | hmm |
| 14:44.24 | sabayonuser | hi! I upgraded my debian system, and i have no work the wifi |
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| 14:45.37 | PerfDave | sabayonuser: Are you using Debian, or sabayon? |
| 14:46.11 | sabayonuser | i using debian |
| 14:46.43 | PerfDave | sabayonuser: How did you "upgrade" your Debian system which caused the breakage? |
| 14:46.48 | sabayonuser | i can not why have the default is the "sabayonuser" name |
| 14:46.58 | sabayonuser | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
| 14:47.08 | PerfDave | sabayonuser: What version of Debian were you running? |
| 14:47.14 | sabayonuser | sid |
| 14:47.20 | PerfDave | I'm not aware of any version of Debian with a default user of "sabayonuser" |
| 14:47.35 | jelly | PerfDave: are you aware of LiveCDs? |
| 14:47.41 | PerfDave | sabayonuser: You're running sid, and you don't know how to fix this breakaeg? I suspect you get to keep both parts. |
| 14:48.10 | PerfDave | jelly: I'm equally aware of people running !Debian asking for help in #debian by mistake or deceitfully, so it's always worth checking. |
| 14:48.41 | Odaym | it was the wrong path.. |
| 14:48.44 | Odaym | bleh |
| 14:49.09 | jelly | sabayonuser: what does uname -a say? |
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| 14:50.03 | balboah | hmm what's a good way to debug an init script that works fine from my console but that doesn't start on boot? (update-rc linked it successfully as well) |
| 14:50.17 | jmspeex | Can someone help me get direct rendering to work on a new box I installed with wheezy? |
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| 14:50.57 | mjmt | jmspeex: NVidia? |
| 14:51.07 | jmspeex | mjmt: intel (sandybridge) |
| 14:51.14 | Odaym | if I've installed Firefox in a work-around kind of way, there's no way that software updates from Firefox will be able to implement properly, is there |
| 14:51.59 | jmspeex | my Xorg.log says "cannot enable DRI2 whilst forcing software fallbacks" |
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| 14:53.06 | themill | Odaym: if you "chown odaym -R /opt/firefox" then it should |
| 14:53.10 | skilz_ | How can I share my internet connection (ppp0) to my network (eth1) |
| 14:53.12 | jmspeex | strangely enough glxinfo reports "direct rendering: Yes", but looking at the performance on glxgears it clearly isn't (and compiz won't start) |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | skilz_: netfilter.org should have docs, ask #netfilter |
| 14:54.09 | babilen | jmspeex: Could you paste the complete output of glxinfo to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:54.18 | Odaym | really, themill :o |
| 14:54.24 | Odaym | then let's see |
| 14:54.38 | skilz_ | abrotman: So no good debian howto you know of? |
| 14:54.40 | abrotman | why would you install from mozilla, and then block upgrades? |
| 14:54.46 | karlpinc | skilz_: You might also find the Linux Networking Guide at tldp.org helpful. It's old but still good. |
| 14:54.47 | babilen | jmspeex: Oh, and put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log in the same paste too |
| 14:54.52 | abrotman | skilz_: used to be 'aptitude install ipmasq' .. but someone decided that package wasn't useful |
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| 14:55.11 | skilz_ | http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html |
| 14:55.12 | themill | Odaym: that would just be like you having unpacked their tarball as your own user. |
| 14:55.23 | skilz_ | will that help me? |
| 14:55.33 | themill | skilz_: are you running etch? |
| 14:55.38 | skilz_ | no |
| 14:55.42 | karlpinc | skilz_: Perhaps. It's always good to understand what you're doing. |
| 14:55.44 | skilz_ | squeeze |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | skilz_: netfilter.org should have docs, ask #netfilter |
| 14:55.53 | themill | skilz_: that probably answers your question then |
| 14:55.54 | Odaym | it's in usr/share, I'm going to do `sudo chown -R oday /usr/share/firefox` |
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| 14:56.04 | merwok | See you |
| 14:56.08 | themill | Odaym: /usr/share is a very odd place for a pile of binaries |
| 14:56.16 | Odaym | yes, well...yea |
| 14:56.23 | Odaym | the rest are in /opt, the workaround software |
| 14:56.28 | karlpinc | skilz_: FWIW I tend to prefer using ferm or shorewall rather than work directly with iptables to do NAT, which is one of the things you're going to need to do. |
| 14:56.36 | Odaym | but i dont know why this one is in /usr/share, i followed a tutorial somewhere |
| 14:56.46 | jmspeex | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/126724/ |
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| 14:57.16 | jmspeex | and http://paste.debian.net/126725/ |
| 14:57.36 | themill | Odaym: /usr/share should be for architecture-independent files and you shouldn't be touching anything under /usr except for /usr/local, really. There are lots of moronic tutorials out there... be careful. |
| 14:57.43 | babilen | jmspeex: Thanks, one moment please |
| 14:57.54 | Odaym | alright |
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| 14:59.11 | babilen | jmspeex: Ok, as you can see in line 28 of the glxinfo paste you are using a Software Rasterizer -- I see that you are using the integrated chipset on Sandybridge. Is that correct? |
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| 15:00.17 | jmspeex | babilen: yes, trying to use the sandybridge chipset |
| 15:00.43 | jmspeex | I've got an nvidia card but disabled it in the bios because I hate dealing with the nvidia driver |
| 15:01.18 | greedo | is there a good way to sandbox apache2? so I could experiment with different apache2 confs. |
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| 15:02.18 | abrotman | greedo: you can start it and specify which conf file to use IIRC |
| 15:02.18 | MestreLion | Hi! I need help understanding how to properly build and run (but not install) a given source package (wine1.3 in this case). I have 2 "sources" for the source pachage: the properly packaged ive got from apt-get source, and the upstream from git. They are identical, except for the .dsc, and .diff.gz files and the debian dir. How do i proceed? |
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| 15:03.10 | babilen | jmspeex: Ok, IIRC you need at least version 2.15 of xserver-xorg-video-intel and a newer kernel for Sandybridge to work well. As this is not easy/possible to achieve on squeeze you probably have to upgrade to wheezy or sid. How well do you know Linux and Debian? |
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| 15:03.45 | Monotoko | hey guys...I'm having some issues with SSH on my server, my IP keeps being added to hosts.deny and I have to login via XEN to fix it...any way to find out what's adding my IP to hosts.deny? Fail2ban is not installed... |
| 15:04.11 | greedo | abrotman: yeah, I'd like to do that somehow aside from a live production site |
| 15:04.14 | jessie | Monotoko: First thing I would do is look at the modified date of the hosts.deny file. |
| 15:04.27 | babilen | jmspeex: fwiw -- I have the same chipset/vga adaptor and it is working fine on sid. |
| 15:04.44 | Monotoko | jessie, yesterday afternoon |
| 15:04.59 | faw0 | xxtjaxx, pong |
| 15:05.01 | Monotoko | 13:10 BST |
| 15:05.07 | jmspeex | babilen: Newer kernel?? I'm running 3.0 |
| 15:05.25 | babilen | jmspeex: Which version of Debian are you tracking? |
| 15:05.38 | jmspeex | babilen: and I *am* running wheezy |
| 15:05.47 | babilen | jmspeex: Ah, right. I should have noticed that in the log :) |
| 15:06.15 | MestreLion | (btw, im not sure if here is the proper place to ask that. my question is related on how to "integrate" the source ive got from git clone (so i can run commits, etc) to the debian patches and rules |
| 15:06.27 | babilen | jmspeex: Ok, that essentially means that you are missing some important packages for dri to run OK -- Is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 15:06.29 | jessie | Monotoko: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-audit-files-to-see-who-made-changes-to-a-file.html |
| 15:06.44 | jessie | Monotoko: There is a tool called auditd for this kind of thing. |
| 15:07.06 | Monotoko | jessie, thank you very much :) I will go have a look now.. |
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| 15:07.09 | MestreLion | any clues or directions on what to do? |
| 15:07.31 | jmspeex | babilen: yes it's installed |
| 15:07.43 | jessie | Monotoko: Sure thing! |
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| 15:08.04 | babilen | jmspeex: Ok, let me take a closer look at the log -- Sorry, I was assuming that you are running stable. |
| 15:08.08 | jmspeex | babilen: also, I have version 2.15 of the driver |
| 15:08.13 | xxtjaxx | faw0: Hey! See Query |
| 15:08.17 | MestreLion | please guys... youre my only hope... |
| 15:08.31 | jmspeex | babilen: thanks |
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| 15:09.34 | skilz_ | No one to help in #netfilter will this share my internet? http://paste.debian.net/126728 |
| 15:09.34 | _Andrew | Hi guys, I have a new samsung RF509 laptop here and i'm trying to simply get the amd64 gnome live cd booting. Problem is that it does even get past the initial boot screen |
| 15:09.49 | greedo | abrotman: could I just essentially mirror my setup of the live site in a vm? |
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| 15:10.00 | _Andrew | any ideas? |
| 15:10.01 | babilen | jmspeex: Is the server autoconfiguring itself or do you configure something manually? |
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| 15:10.49 | wols | _Andrew: if you want to install debian, use a debian install cd |
| 15:10.52 | Shadur | In /etc/debian/interfaces, how do I specify both an ipv6 and an ipv4 stanza for the same interface? |
| 15:11.30 | Shadur | I'm looking at the manpage and I see how to add one /or/ the other, but it doesn't say anything about how it behaves if I add two stanzas for the same interface. |
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| 15:11.47 | jmspeex | babilen: What you're seeing now is the result of using "Xorg -configure" and adding a "shadow false" option, but the reason I did that in the first place is because it didn't work with the original (with no xorg.conf) setup. |
| 15:11.56 | wols | Shadur: why would you do that? every ipv4 address is contained in the ipv6 address space |
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| 15:12.10 | yoshio | !tell MestreLion about ssb |
| 15:12.21 | Shadur | wols: Because we're setting up dual-stack here. |
| 15:12.24 | wols | yoshio: is there a wine 1.3 in debian now? |
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| 15:12.40 | yoshio | ,versions wine |
| 15:12.41 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 15:13.36 | yoshio | wols: typing "/msg judd versions wine" would give you the same thing |
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| 15:14.06 | wols | yoshio: whoosh |
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| 15:15.17 | babilen | jmspeex: Ok, that is why I asked -- Do you have the old log somewhere? And fwiw -- It is typically preferred to just add device specific configuration files to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- /msg dpkg xorg.conf.d -- But that is not necessarily related to your issue. I can confirm that direct rendering is working on sid (with no special configuration) but I would like to track down the real reason. |
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| 15:16.14 | abrotman | greedo: i suppose? except for DNS>? |
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| 15:17.31 | MestreLion | yoshio: ive downloaded wine1.3 from 2 different places. First, using apt-get source. It downloaded the *.orig.tar.gz, .dsc, .diff.gz, and extracted the sources in a dir (along with the debian subdir. and i ALSO downloaded in a another dir using git clone ... |
| 15:17.58 | MestreLion | yoshio: now i dont know wich one i must use to compile, test, modify. generate patches, etc |
| 15:18.19 | jmspeex | babilen: I'll just remove the xorg.conf and send you the output. Do you need both logs? |
| 15:18.23 | jelly | MestreLion: oh, where did you find debian source for wine 1.3? |
| 15:18.41 | MestreLion | jelly: from wine's official ppa |
| 15:18.42 | jmspeex | also rebooting "just in case" |
| 15:19.29 | babilen | jmspeex: Oh, and I don't have the optimus version -- No, I just want to take a look at the original log too. You might also want to ask in #intelgfx what is really needed for your card. (I am not sure about the optimus one) |
| 15:20.01 | yoshio | MestreLion, http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/git.html http://www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner//blog/posts/git-classify/ http://softwarelivre.org/terceiro/blog/handling-upstream-patches-with-git-export-debian-patches http://www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner//blog/posts/git-classify/ |
| 15:20.16 | jmspeex | babilen: Well, as I said, the nvidia chipset is just turned off in the bios |
| 15:20.17 | babilen | jmspeex: #intel-gfx that is |
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| 15:20.39 | MestreLion | wow, lots of directions... thank you yoshio ! ill read them all before asking further questins... thank you |
| 15:20.41 | babilen | jmspeex: Yes, I am just pointing out differences and I am not sure if that has an influence or not. |
| 15:21.18 | greedo | abrotman: yeah. wonder how people at google test apache config changes? ie. I'm sure this is a problem people have thought about before. |
| 15:21.21 | jmspeex | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/126729/ and http://paste.debian.net/126730/ |
| 15:22.42 | babilen | jmspeex: That looks much better -- compare line 32 in there to line 28 in the old paste for glxinfo. |
| 15:22.42 | yoshio | MestreLion, why not just stick with the wine1.3 with the debian dir? |
| 15:23.05 | babilen | jmspeex: Also line 297 in the Xorg.0.log |
| 15:23.15 | yoshio | MestreLion, those links are for something else, which I thought you were trying to do |
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| 15:23.44 | MestreLion | yoshio: i would, if i know how to set up git to use that dir the same way it would use the one i cloned |
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| 15:24.11 | latenite | Hi folks, where in opensuse ist the file to define system wide locales. In gentoo it's /etc/env.d/02locale in arch its in /etc/profile.d/locale.sh in opensuse it's in /etc/sysconfig/language |
| 15:24.49 | jmspeex | babilen: This is *really* weird. All I can think of is that maybe the reboot did something |
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| 15:25.55 | babilen | jmspeex: Have you rebooted in between? Was libgl1-mesa-dri installed when you tried it without the generated xorg.conf? |
| 15:25.59 | wols | !tell latenite about locales |
| 15:26.12 | babilen | jmspeex: Be that as it may -- Looks as if we are done :) |
| 15:26.39 | MestreLion | yoshio: my doubt is: if i use the apt-get source'd dir, it will be "unaware" of git.. and if use the git clone'd dir, it will be unware of debian packaging. So i dont know what to do... if i should "debianize" the git clone'd dir, or "gitze" the apt-get source'd dir |
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| 15:27.20 | latenite | wols, I wish there was a nice wiki entry on taht |
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| 15:28.33 | jmspeex | babilen: Well, now I need to figure out why compiz doesn't like the xfce pager (or vice versa) |
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| 15:28.39 | MestreLion | yoshio: and, by all means, i DONT want to *install* those packages... i just want to be able to modify them, test (run locally) and generate patches to submit to debian and upstream.. but *without* messing with my currently system-wide installed wine (IF that is possible at all) |
| 15:29.23 | babilen | jmspeex: Good luck -- I don't like compiz so I can and will not help you with that. :) |
| 15:29.31 | jmspeex | ...except it looks like it suddenly does now |
| 15:29.36 | babilen | heh |
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| 15:29.50 | jmspeex | babilen: Do you mind if I keep talking to you. You don't even need to respond :-) |
| 15:30.07 | jmspeex | and thanks for the help |
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| 15:30.18 | babilen | jmspeex: Not at all -- I might respond though, so please keep it on-topic and interesting. |
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| 15:31.13 | babilen | jmspeex: Looks as if I am emitting a computer-heal-thyself field :) |
| 15:31.16 | jmspeex | babilen: Nah OK false alarm. It doesn't actually work. Can't change desktop in xfce if I have compiz installed :-( |
| 15:31.28 | babilen | jmspeex: Remove it! |
| 15:31.31 | jmspeex | s/installed/running/ |
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| 15:32.02 | jmspeex | babilen: but... but... it's shiny! |
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| 15:33.09 | babilen | jmspeex: Who needs shiny? Forget about compiz and fix some bugs in Debian ;) -- But well, I wish you all the best and recommend #compiz for more competent help with it. |
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| 15:34.09 | yoshio | MestreLion, if you apt-get the sources, you may be able to uupdate the files to get upstream updates (via git). I think you would have to install /uninstall the official deb and unofficial debs to test them. |
| 15:34.47 | yoshio | !tell MestreLion about uupdate |
| 15:34.54 | jmspeex | babilen: Well, I fix bugs in my upstream projects |
| 15:35.08 | jmspeex | And I've got plenty for now :-( |
| 15:35.20 | latenite | where do I set system wide locales? is there a file like "/etc/env.d/02locale in gentoo" ? |
| 15:35.29 | yoshio | whoops, I guess not via git |
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| 15:37.12 | yoshio | MestreLion, ask your question in #debian-mentors (on oftc.net, which is the same as irc.debian.org) |
| 15:37.20 | MestreLion | yoshio: uupdate seems to closer to what i am looking for. Any way to tell it to stablish a git repo there? (or to tell it that the apt-get source'd dir should be "synced" with a given git url ? |
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| 15:37.53 | yoshio | MestreLion, no idea, #debian-mentors can probably help you |
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| 15:40.23 | MestreLion | ill join there asap.. thank you very much, yoshio |
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| 15:42.34 | babilen | MestreLion: That channel is on irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org |
| 15:43.27 | MestreLion | im there already babilen, thank you |
| 15:43.39 | babilen | MestreLion: right, enjoy! |
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| 15:45.17 | Polysics | hello |
| 15:45.29 | Polysics | can someone please recommend a SIP client that actually works on debian? |
| 15:45.35 | Polysics | ekiga crashes every call |
| 15:45.48 | ben1066 | YES |
| 15:46.09 | ben1066 | babilen, I did a kinda hacky move, I held the udev at lenny |
| 15:46.11 | ben1066 | and updated |
| 15:46.18 | ben1066 | and it boots and runs fine :D |
| 15:46.35 | babilen | *shudder* -- Don't tell Marco D'Itri |
| 15:46.44 | ben1066 | oh? |
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| 15:47.28 | ben1066 | who is Marco D'Itri |
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| 15:50.01 | babilen | !tell MestreLion -about uupdate |
| 15:50.54 | ben1066 | babilen, Why should I tell him? |
| 15:50.59 | ben1066 | And why did you shudder? |
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| 15:51.56 | babilen | ben1066: marco is the maintainer for udev -- I was just shuddering, because you probably can't stay with lenny's udev version forever. |
| 15:52.17 | abrotman | and if Md found out .. he'd hunt you down and pick you apart from the inside |
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| 15:53.04 | ben1066 | Lol |
| 15:53.08 | ben1066 | Well, it works |
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| 15:53.13 | ben1066 | For now |
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| 15:53.21 | ben1066 | Its better than being stuck on lenny at least |
| 15:53.23 | babilen | !tell MestreLion -about package recompile |
| 15:54.06 | babilen | MestreLion: I hope you don't mind feeding you botsnacks :) |
| 15:54.47 | MestreLion | no, they are bery welcome babilen |
| 15:55.09 | MestreLion | im a bit slow reader, but i do read everything the bot is posting |
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| 15:59.41 | babilen | MestreLion: FWIW -- I wouldn't concern myself with Debian's packaging, but just work on the sources from upstream (i.e. wine) -- You can install that to /usr/local (or even better use stow for that -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage) and run it from there. |
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| 16:01.59 | Polysics | what is the "proper" SIP client on Debian, please? |
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| 16:03.10 | abrotman | ekiga? |
| 16:03.14 | babilen | Polysics: ekiga, linphone, "apt-cache search sip client" |
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| 16:14.35 | ben1066 | <3 New nano, it has syntax highlighting again |
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| 16:15.05 | qop | hello |
| 16:15.26 | Guest32396 | how do I download the sqeeze dvd with rsync? I wanna try it out |
| 16:16.25 | abrotman | why not just use the 150MB netinst |
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| 16:16.51 | mjt | how rsync is better than http of ftp? |
| 16:17.23 | abrotman | especially if it's only a single file :) |
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| 16:19.06 | mjt | rsync can be useful for a single file too - if that file has been modified "a bit" since you downloaded it last time, and you want to transfer only changes. |
| 16:19.09 | Guest32396 | I just want to try rsync to now how to |
| 16:19.13 | Guest32396 | thats all |
| 16:19.52 | Guest32396 | but cant figure out how :s |
| 16:19.57 | mjt | i suggest you to find some more appropriate usage for it |
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| 16:20.32 | Guest32396 | and right now... I cant find teh path to the 64dvd in the mirror anyway lol... |
| 16:21.21 | Guest32396 | mjt: there is absolutely nothing wrong in using rsync |
| 16:21.40 | mjt | lol |
| 16:21.48 | Guest32396 | or jigdo |
| 16:22.11 | Guest32396 | it's like telling me.. hey why use ftp, use http... well *shrug* |
| 16:22.17 | Guest32396 | ;) |
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| 16:23.01 | mjt | it's not |
| 16:23.38 | mjt | rsync puts significant additional load to the server, in order to calculate the rolling checksum |
| 16:23.49 | mjt | neither ftp nor http does that |
| 16:24.00 | abrotman | Guest32396: you want i386 anyway |
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| 16:24.20 | Guest32396 | abrotman: why? im on a amd64 |
| 16:24.33 | abrotman | do you use flash? skype? any other binary-only stuff? |
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| 16:24.44 | abrotman | do you have more than 4GB of RAM? |
| 16:24.53 | Guest32396 | abrotman: yes and there are versions of those in 64 bits |
| 16:25.03 | twobitsprite | mjt: well, http can cause load by compressing the transmission |
| 16:25.07 | abrotman | are there? last i checked skype was still only 32bit |
| 16:25.12 | Guest32396 | actually i've been runing 64 bits for like 2 years |
| 16:25.35 | abrotman | but can't work rsync ... |
| 16:25.35 | Guest32396 | abrotman: nope there is a 64 for ubuntu and debian, plus the 32 one works too anyway |
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| 16:25.41 | tp43 | anyone know how to use virtualbox, I see instructions for a new windows xp installation, but is it possible to use an existing wndows partition? |
| 16:26.01 | Guest32396 | abrotman: and I've got right 4 |
| 16:26.04 | mjt | tp43: you'd better ask in vbox-related channel |
| 16:26.05 | abrotman | tp43: perhaps ask #vbox |
| 16:26.15 | tp43 | abrotman, thx |
| 16:26.28 | mjt | tp43: or in #kvm ... ;) |
| 16:26.29 | Guest32396 | abrotman: besides, I see that the 32 ones ae i386 instead of 686 |
| 16:26.43 | Guest32396 | why ddnt you use 686 btw? |
| 16:26.51 | mjt | i386 is architecture name |
| 16:26.56 | mjt | i686 is not |
| 16:27.12 | abrotman | they're not compiled for i386 (anymore) |
| 16:27.22 | Guest32396 | ah its just the name... |
| 16:27.27 | Guest32396 | ok |
| 16:27.46 | Guest32396 | I have been away from debian since sarge |
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| 16:28.36 | ben1066 | how can I save a tar.gz of my current linux install |
| 16:28.37 | WaterRatj | There a version of debian wich is bootable inside windows and fits on stick? |
| 16:28.45 | Guest32396 | well, anyway tehn how do I use jigdo or rsync :s the instructions arent so clear |
| 16:28.48 | NoOova | Hi all! I use apache2 + nginx. why if i get from browser site.com/myadmin nginx relocating me to site.com:8080/myadmin/? |
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| 16:29.05 | Guest32396 | WaterRatj: goodbyewindows.org or something |
| 16:29.06 | ben1066 | nginx is running on port 8080? |
| 16:29.11 | NoOova | but if i try get site.com/myadmin/ all is correct |
| 16:29.14 | NoOova | nginx : 80 |
| 16:29.17 | NoOova | apache2: 8080 |
| 16:29.32 | ben1066 | seems its forwarding you to the apache server,... |
| 16:30.09 | NoOova | i try to get not /myadmin/. i try to get /myadmin |
| 16:30.24 | NoOova | and its not correct relocate me to :8080/myadmin |
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| 16:30.36 | NoOova | i mean :8080/myadmin/ |
| 16:30.47 | WaterRatj | Guest32396, thats installs linux inside windows not run it |
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| 16:31.28 | Guest32396 | WaterRatj: you wat the usb bootable one then? |
| 16:31.38 | Guest32396 | WaterRatj: it has to install 'somewhere' |
| 16:32.14 | WaterRatj | I want a full install of debian on stick but being able to run next to windows so not rebvooting pc and choosing debian |
| 16:32.52 | valdyn_ | WaterRatj: that is called virtualisation |
| 16:33.10 | valdyn_ | WaterRatj: not supported here since your trying to run the virtual machine on windows |
| 16:33.31 | WaterRatj | hmmm, to bad colinux doesn't work on x64 |
| 16:33.54 | valdyn_ | WaterRatj: once you solved that windows specific issue its debian like on physical hardware, not difference really |
| 16:34.23 | jelly-home | WaterRatj: choose a virtualization platform, like vbox, vmware player, hyper-v, which has support for usb media |
| 16:34.35 | WaterRatj | ok thanks |
| 16:34.38 | WaterRatj | i'll look into tagt |
| 16:34.40 | WaterRatj | *that |
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| 16:34.59 | jelly-home | then you can run a virtualized machine and debian inside |
| 16:35.29 | Guest32396 | kfreebsd isbsd kernel or something? |
| 16:35.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Guest32396 about kfreebsf |
| 16:35.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Guest32396 about kfreebsd |
| 16:35.51 | mns | Guest32396: yes it is freebsd kernel |
| 16:35.59 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Guest32396 about kfreebsd |
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| 16:36.35 | Guest32396 | cool |
| 16:36.41 | Guest32396 | gotta try that :P |
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| 16:44.04 | Leoneof | how to install KDE beside gnome? |
| 16:44.32 | N-I-L | instead of or as well as |
| 16:44.56 | Guest32396 | rsync -rv trumpetti.atm.tut.fi::debian-cd/2.2_rev3/amd64/binary-amd64-1_NONUS.iso /right/here |
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| 16:44.58 | Guest32396 | haha |
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| 16:45.19 | Guest32396 | N-I-L: well both can cohexist... |
| 16:45.37 | Guest32396 | Leoneof: apt-cache search kde |
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| 16:45.59 | N-I-L | Guest32396: yea i know. im just curious what the context was exactly. |
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| 16:46.27 | Guest32396 | Leoneof: and if there isnt a metapackage you can simply do something like apt-get install dolphin |
| 16:46.38 | Guest32396 | N-I-L: I know ;) |
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| 16:47.22 | Guest32396 | think the metapackage is kde-core Leoneof, apt-get install kde-core |
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| 16:47.48 | mjt | or just kde |
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| 16:48.06 | babilen | !install kde |
| 16:48.06 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
| 16:48.22 | Leoneof | so it is apt-get install kde |
| 16:48.25 | Guest32396 | better |
| 16:48.37 | Leoneof | thanks |
| 16:48.38 | Guest32396 | Leoneof: kde-standsrd |
| 16:48.54 | Leoneof | okay |
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| 16:49.44 | Leoneof | i don't like kde, but i have to see how it is :) |
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| 16:49.52 | Guest32396 | whats the init style in squeeze? |
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| 16:50.34 | Guest32396 | Leoneof: nobody blame you or your bad taste no worries ;) |
| 16:51.03 | Leoneof | right |
| 16:51.04 | Odaym | anyone know what this means "Can't locate Data/Dump.pm in @INC"? |
| 16:51.56 | mjt | it means exactly what it said :) |
| 16:52.13 | Odaym | :) |
| 16:52.29 | Odaym | thank you |
| 16:52.32 | Odaym | anyone else? |
| 16:52.41 | Guest32396 | Odaym: you need to install install Data/Dumper |
| 16:52.43 | daemonkeeper | It means exctly what mjt said it would. |
| 16:52.48 | daemonkeeper | (Better?) |
| 16:52.52 | Odaym | I did, Guest32396 |
| 16:53.07 | Odaym | followed this, http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=189 |
| 16:53.11 | Guest32396 | well it can not ocate it |
| 16:53.13 | Odaym | and it's installed now |
| 16:53.26 | Odaym | is @INC like $PATH? |
| 16:53.26 | daemonkeeper | I can't imagine in how many ways that is wrong. |
| 16:53.47 | mjt | yes it's like PATH for purpose, but it's a perl variable |
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| 16:54.01 | mjt | list of dirs where perl searches its includes |
| 16:54.07 | Odaym | so I need to export it |
| 16:54.08 | daemonkeeper | If you really want to install Perl modules yourself, use the CPAN module, not the direct way. That will fail. Additionally there is a Debian package. |
| 16:54.13 | Guest32396 | Odaym: how did you install it with cpan or apt? |
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| 16:54.21 | daemonkeeper | Guest32396: See link. |
| 16:54.27 | daemonkeeper | Guest32396: He did even worse :> |
| 16:54.31 | Guest32396 | oh |
| 16:54.36 | Odaym | i followed this, Guest32396 http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=189, and it's installed right now |
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| 16:54.49 | mjt | the question is where it is installed |
| 16:55.02 | Guest32396 | Odaym: do make uninstall and redo with apt |
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| 16:55.19 | Odaym | I know where, but it's not in the @INC obviously |
| 16:55.20 | daemonkeeper | Yes, that's the question. I would suggest to use the CPAN module instead, if you really want to install it manually |
| 16:55.24 | Odaym | alright |
| 16:55.30 | daemonkeeper | However there is libdata-dump-perl ... |
| 16:55.33 | Guest32396 | and if no make uninstall is available then track items one by one with locate lo |
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| 16:56.26 | Odaym | it says here that its make uninstall is unsafe and deprecated, but it shows you what would've been done if it were executed |
| 16:56.29 | anoob | hi, i have a radeon hd 6470m and i'm trying to use vga_switcheroo but /sys/kernel/debug is empty |
| 16:56.32 | Odaym | which is unlink a couple of files |
| 16:56.37 | Odaym | im going to do that in its stead |
| 16:56.43 | daemonkeeper | Install libdata-dump-perl once you did. |
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| 16:57.53 | Odaym | alright |
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| 16:59.20 | Odaym | thanks :) |
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| 17:00.26 | Odaym | anyone know about migration from nagios to opsview? |
| 17:00.34 | Odaym | since both channels are completely dead |
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| 17:03.45 | ipo | hi |
| 17:03.48 | ipo | have a question |
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| 17:04.40 | N-I-L | hi ipo |
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| 17:05.01 | quitte | ipo: don't ask to ask. just ask. |
| 17:05.06 | ipo | hi N-I-L |
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| 17:05.32 | ipo | N-I-L, That solved now!!! :D |
| 17:05.44 | zambaboo | hey guys does anyone know which config file i have to change to include a kernel module in debian-installer? (rebuilding netboot over here) |
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| 17:06.25 | quitte | zambaboo: look at the documentation of update-initramfs |
| 17:06.41 | zambaboo | quitte, thanks |
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| 17:07.16 | ipo | quitte, that solved now! :D |
| 17:08.04 | quitte | by rebooting ? :P |
| 17:08.41 | ipo | quitte, hahah! no! by root password! :D |
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| 17:09.00 | ipo | quitte, rebooting is good for windows! :)) |
| 17:09.16 | daemonkeeper | And for dist-upgrades lenny->squeeze |
| 17:09.22 | Guest32396 | zambaboo: you can just create a new mkinitrd |
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| 17:10.12 | quitte | ipo: not a mistake to use it with linux, too. to make sure changes stick after a reboot. happens a lot that after a week I notice that the changes I made weren't permanent. |
| 17:10.20 | Guest32396 | zambaboo: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/293/How_Do_I_Make_an_initrd_image |
| 17:10.37 | zambaboo | Guest32396, im specifically rebuilding a netboot image for an installation, i need one driver included. |
| 17:11.11 | Guest32396 | zambaboo: oh directly in the kerrnel, im almost sure it needs to be compiled then |
| 17:11.16 | zambaboo | nonono |
| 17:11.17 | quitte | with a 3.0 kernel the mtrr fixup stopped working for me. is that a known problem , maybe even with a workaround? |
| 17:11.51 | zambaboo | the initrd included in the netboot.tar.gz file is different than the one you boot a regular system. |
| 17:12.04 | zambaboo | anyways, nvm. thanks. |
| 17:12.23 | quitte | zambaboo: for installer questions you could try #debian-boot |
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| 17:12.48 | zambaboo | quitte, thanks! |
| 17:13.13 | zambaboo | yay, im the only on there!!! :) |
| 17:13.24 | quitte | then i got the name wrong |
| 17:13.25 | Guest32396 | lol |
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| 17:14.01 | Guest32396 | oh you mean teh pxe one.... |
| 17:14.23 | zambaboo | yep |
| 17:14.58 | zambaboo | right now im rebuilding debian-installer, thats the guy that generates the netboot.tar.gz archive |
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| 17:15.36 | zambaboo | i need to figure out where it looks to see which modules it needs to include within the initrd.gz _inside_ that netboot.tar.gz |
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| 17:16.09 | KyperfsGirl | hi |
| 17:16.12 | Guest32396 | doesnt it just loads them from remote terminal? |
| 17:16.18 | Guest32396 | thats what pxe is for |
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| 17:16.33 | quitte | zambaboo: the expert mode allows loading modules from media iirc |
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| 17:16.56 | zambaboo | quitte, ah but this is where it gets interesting, im using this to preseed |
| 17:17.03 | quitte | oh netboot - not netinstall |
| 17:17.09 | quitte | ? |
| 17:17.16 | Guest32396 | quitte: right |
| 17:17.35 | zambaboo | anyways i think im getting closer over here |
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| 17:17.53 | quitte | the initrd is a cpio archive. you could unpack and drop the module in there then repack |
| 17:18.02 | quitte | gzipped cpio, that is |
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| 17:18.14 | KyperfsGirl | hi |
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| 17:18.27 | zambaboo | no that wont work, i need a specific list of drivers to be loaded, otherwise the box kps. |
| 17:18.42 | zambaboo | (i tried that, it works to a point) |
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| 17:18.45 | quitte | a blacklist? |
| 17:18.50 | patr|ck | hello. how can i keep en_GB as environment setting and set a german keyboard layout, please? |
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| 17:19.16 | zambaboo | quitte, i have an actual list of what i need to load. this should not be difficult :) compared to what ive already done in the past week or so |
| 17:19.50 | quitte | zambaboo: that doesn't make a lot of sense for netboot imho. unless you have many identical machines on the network |
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| 17:20.14 | zambaboo | quitte, which is exactly what ive got :) |
| 17:20.47 | quitte | zambaboo: have you tried simply removing the offending modules? or does the installer load modules from the internet and breaks then? |
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| 17:21.37 | zambaboo | i cant even get at the offending modules :) it kps in such a way i have to reset the box, which is in a datacenter. i dont have access to it. |
| 17:21.45 | zambaboo | anyways, im rebuilding. its not the worst option. |
| 17:21.56 | Guest32396 | patr|ck: export LANG="en_GB.UTF-8" && export KEYMAP="de-latin1" |
| 17:22.19 | patr|ck | ah, KEYMAP= thanks! |
| 17:22.24 | Guest32396 | patr|ck: http://urly.de/81972 |
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| 17:25.33 | plug918 | hello, anyone call tell me how to open a port (ex: 3000) on debian? |
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| 17:26.31 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Run software that listens on that port. |
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| 17:27.05 | dokma | I've just installed gnome-network-manager and used nm-applet to connect to the network and I do have connection but DNS is not working |
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| 17:27.44 | dokma | how do I set that up when using nm-applet and is it going to work if I go to some public wlan spot? |
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| 17:27.58 | Guest32396 | dokma: try other dns (comodo/opedns) and make sure you can ping the dns ip |
| 17:27.59 | somiaj | dokma: check your /etc/resolv.conf file, see if it gives you a valid nameserver, if not try another one. If nm isn't setting up resolve.conf correctly you may need the package openresolv (or an alternative) |
| 17:28.02 | amaliaa | hi |
| 17:28.16 | Guest32396 | dokma: also check that /etc/resolv.conf say |
| 17:28.39 | dokma | my recolv.conf says do not edit by hand |
| 17:28.52 | dokma | I guess that means my system uses resolvconf ? |
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| 17:29.05 | Guest32396 | somiaj: openresolv? what does it use? |
| 17:29.09 | amaliaa | i can't get my wireless adaptater working |
| 17:29.15 | Ivermectina | .leave |
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| 17:30.03 | somiaj | Guest32396: its just a framework that packages can use to modify the resolve.conf file instead of each application clobering the file on its own (and thus creating conflicts or bad resolve.conf files) |
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| 17:30.20 | Guest32396 | ah ok |
| 17:30.22 | somiaj | Guest32396: I use it so I can manually set the nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces for some of my wireless connections. |
| 17:30.51 | dokma | how do I find out which dns servers are configured for my system if they are not in resolv.conf |
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| 17:31.24 | Guest32396 | dokma: traceroute somehost.net |
| 17:31.32 | somiaj | dokma: what kind of network -- usually the dhcp is supose to do that for you. If its just a router, usually it functions as the nameserver as well. |
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| 17:31.47 | Guest32396 | and I always edit resolv manually then set it chmod 400 lol |
| 17:31.57 | dokma | somiaj: wouldn't that work only if my dns system was correct |
| 17:32.15 | dokma | what I want to find out is how to print out which dns server is configured to be used |
| 17:32.26 | dokma | like I use hostname to get the hostname of my machine |
| 17:32.47 | dokma | is there something like dnsname??? |
| 17:32.47 | somiaj | dokma: what do you mean by dns system correct -- your just trying to resolve a name into an ip -- you need to just have any valid nameserver. |
| 17:33.01 | dokma | somiaj: but my machine needs to ask somewhere for the resolution to happen |
| 17:33.07 | Guest32396 | dokma: that is defined in /etc/hosts not in dns |
| 17:33.08 | dokma | it must ask some machine right? |
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| 17:33.21 | dokma | I'm not asking about hostname now |
| 17:33.24 | dokma | that was an example |
| 17:33.45 | dokma | I'm asking how do I find out which dns server will my machine try to use to resolve domain names |
| 17:33.51 | somiaj | dokma: that is called the nameserver, and the one your computer asks (or multiple if you care) are listed in /etc/resolv.conf -- if there isn't a valid one there, figure out which one is. Depending on your router and/or isp you can get that info from them. |
| 17:34.00 | Guest32396 | dokma: the one in resolv.conf |
| 17:34.01 | somiaj | dokma: it uses the ones in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:34.17 | dokma | in my resolv.conf I have 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:34.26 | dokma | but I don't have a dns server installed |
| 17:34.37 | dokma | should I install something to make it work? |
| 17:34.40 | Guest32396 | it is set to your localhost and unless you have a dns running the setting is wrong |
| 17:34.50 | dokma | read up |
| 17:35.28 | dokma | which software should I install so that it responds to those queries? |
| 17:35.36 | dokma | what is a dns server on debian machines? |
| 17:35.46 | Guest32396 | dokma: you need to setup dns addresses with network manager or edit the resolv manually nothing will break, it willjust be override by nm |
| 17:36.00 | Guest32396 | but you can set it chmod 400 and its fine |
| 17:36.18 | dokma | Guest15721: the problem is what will happen when I go out to some public wireless spot |
| 17:36.23 | dokma | will it work the same?? |
| 17:36.38 | dokma | if the spot is from another provider or something like that... |
| 17:36.47 | Guest32396 | dokma: just use a public dns... or you could use a dns caching policy |
| 17:36.58 | dokma | ok |
| 17:37.04 | Guest32396 | dokma: Id use opendns |
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| 17:39.53 | blackwall | hi everyone |
| 17:40.32 | blackwall | i need help |
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| 17:41.07 | blackwall | i got issues with my wireless card |
| 17:41.31 | blackwall | anyone there? |
| 17:41.39 | abrotman | lots of people .. we're waiting for info |
| 17:41.51 | blackwall | ok |
| 17:41.58 | luke-jr | http://packetstormsecurity.org/news/view/19719/AES-Crypto-Compromised-By-Groundbreaking-Attack.html |
| 17:41.59 | blackwall | im currently using opensuse |
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| 17:42.23 | blackwall | because i cant use my wireless in debian |
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| 17:42.39 | blackwall | its the only way that connects me to internet |
| 17:42.48 | abrotman | luke-jr: #debian-offtopic please |
| 17:42.51 | tra_ | hello, fresh XFCE squeeze installation, got file associations problem in Iceweasel (any version): http://i.imgur.com/IVwgK.png |
| 17:42.57 | abrotman | blackwall: lspci -nn .. what is your wireless device? |
| 17:42.59 | tra_ | any tips, how to fix that? |
| 17:43.00 | boudiccas | blackwall; sorry we cant support opensuse, we only support what we ship, debian |
| 17:43.05 | luke-jr | abrotman: I think AES being broken is on-topic everywhere? O.o |
| 17:43.26 | abrotman | luke-jr: it's still better in #debian-offtopic where you can discuss it |
| 17:43.36 | abrotman | lots of people like to regurgitate CS news there |
| 17:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | blackwall: Are you looking for help for your wireless card in debian? That's what I read. |
| 17:43.50 | jhutchins_lt | luke-jr: No. |
| 17:44.28 | jhutchins_lt | blackwall: Can you get the machine on a wired connection for troubleshooting? |
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| 17:44.53 | mYhYgo | Ciaooooooooo a tutti di #debian |
| 17:45.13 | jhutchins_lt | !it |
| 17:45.14 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:45.36 | Data-Get | I have been trying to install this driver for my touch screen with no luck. The install scripts are old and even when installing it on older systems it seems to fail. I have manually installed the driver and configured xorg but the logs are showing that it is unable to load the driver. (dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/irtouch_drv.so: undefined symbol: xf86open) Any help would be greatly apreaced. I think this driver was written for Xorg 1 |
| 17:45.38 | Data-Get | .7.0 I am running Debian 6.0 (Xorg 1.7.6). TLDR; Request Touch Driver install help. |
| 17:45.53 | Guest32396 | #blackwall: |
| 17:45.59 | blackwall | its |
| 17:46.01 | blackwall | b43 |
| 17:46.01 | Guest32396 | oops nvm that |
| 17:46.04 | blackwall | broadcom |
| 17:46.12 | abrotman | blackwall: there are many variations .. some have different drivers |
| 17:46.16 | blackwall | so i download |
| 17:46.24 | abrotman | 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01) |
| 17:46.33 | blackwall | what the opensuse downloaded for me |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | see the funny numbers at the end? .. we'd need those numbers |
| 17:46.39 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 17:46.40 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 17:46.59 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: good job .. you've found my driver which already works ... |
| 17:47.12 | abrotman | may not help blackwall at all |
| 17:47.23 | blackwall | i took the driver that opensuse already took it for me |
| 17:47.30 | blackwall | its working under suse |
| 17:47.39 | abrotman | blackwall: open xterm .. 'lspci -nn' .. give us your wifi device |
| 17:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | blackwall: Suse uses a different kernel though. |
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| 17:47.50 | Guest32396 | well you can lsmod and see what driver it is using then google the driver with debian |
| 17:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Miss-read the line. |
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| 17:48.18 | blackwall | Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN [14e4:4311 |
| 17:49.10 | blackwall | b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware broadcom-wl-4.178.10.4/linux/wl_apsta.o |
| 17:49.19 | blackwall | i did this in debian |
| 17:49.21 | Guest32396 | blackwall: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 17:49.21 | abrotman | !bcm4311 |
| 17:49.22 | dpkg | b43 is a driver for Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:49.38 | abrotman | blackwall: and did it work ? |
| 17:49.45 | blackwall | yea |
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| 17:49.53 | blackwall | light is there |
| 17:50.03 | blackwall | but no network around |
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| 17:50.12 | blackwall | i know there are some |
| 17:50.32 | blackwall | at least mine is working |
| 17:50.44 | blackwall | kern.log says this |
| 17:50.51 | dokma | shouldn't the system fetch a dns address automatically when connecting to a wireless connection? |
| 17:51.02 | dokma | why do I have to set that up? |
| 17:51.02 | blackwall | b43 ssb0:0: firmware: requesting b43/ucode5.fw |
| 17:51.12 | blackwall | ERROR: Firmware file "b43/ucode5.fw" not found |
| 17:51.22 | blackwall | b43-phy0 ERROR: Firmware file "b43-open/ucode5.fw" not found |
| 17:51.44 | blackwall | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 17:51.53 | blackwall | so what is next |
| 17:51.56 | abrotman | blackwall: right .. so it's telling you to extract that file also |
| 17:52.10 | abrotman | blackwall: did you see the wiki link above? |
| 17:52.20 | abrotman | dokma: only if the dhcp server is giving them out |
| 17:52.36 | blackwall | its extract itself |
| 17:52.36 | jhutchins_lt | dokma: What have you done so far? |
| 17:53.07 | plug918 | hello, how can i open port 3000 on debian? |
| 17:53.16 | mjt | heh |
| 17:53.22 | blackwall | i see no wiki link |
| 17:53.34 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: I told you, run somethng that listens on that port. |
| 17:53.39 | blackwall | i saw |
| 17:53.41 | abrotman | blackwall: did you read the wiki link above ? |
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| 17:53.52 | blackwall | im reading right now |
| 17:54.04 | plug918 | jhutchins_lt: can you give example? |
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| 17:54.25 | plug918 | i have a node.js which is running on that port |
| 17:54.29 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: What are you really trying to do? |
| 17:54.39 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Did you install a firewall? |
| 17:54.45 | plug918 | nope |
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| 17:55.01 | jhutchins_lt | Then there's nothing to prevent the js from listening on that port. |
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| 17:55.54 | plug918 | then how can i be able to access the application using localhost:3000 but not using the ip:3000 from another machine? |
| 17:56.20 | jhutchins_lt | The application isn't listening on the ip address, it's only listening on localhost. |
| 17:56.21 | plug918 | jhutchins_lt: it seems to me that the port is being blocked |
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| 17:56.41 | jhutchins_lt | Unless there is a firewall between the machines, the port is not blocked. |
| 17:56.51 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Check the documentation for your application. |
| 17:56.59 | blackwall | abrotman: it says "aptitude install module-assistant wireless-tools" ,but i dont have internet |
| 17:57.02 | plug918 | how can i checked if there's firewall enable on debian |
| 17:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Did you set one up? |
| 17:57.39 | abrotman | blackwall: no access to a wired connection temporarily ? |
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| 17:57.46 | plug918 | jhutchins_lt: nope, i install debian from source |
| 17:57.49 | blackwall | no |
| 17:58.00 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Did anybody else set things up on that machine? |
| 17:58.03 | plug918 | and i dont recored i install any firewall application |
| 17:58.11 | plug918 | nope, i am the only one using the machine |
| 17:58.14 | mjt | from source? |
| 17:58.26 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Then there is no firewall on that system. |
| 17:58.43 | jhutchins_lt | plug918: Again, check the docs for the application for how to make it listen to external requests. |
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| 18:00.57 | jhutchins_lt | is off to get groceries. |
| 18:01.34 | keith4 | is it a Bad Idea to backport coreutils 8 to lenny? |
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| 18:02.47 | mjt | it isn't really bad idea, I think it's a bit useless. |
| 18:03.00 | mjt | just update from lenny to squeeze alredy |
| 18:03.01 | abrotman | keith4: what's in 8 that you need so badly ? |
| 18:03.05 | keith4 | 'timeout' |
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| 18:03.34 | abrotman | keith4: you can do that in other ways |
| 18:03.49 | keith4 | yah, i've been doing it with 'alarm', but it feels like a dirty hack |
| 18:03.52 | mjt | placing just timeout command from a compiled source will do too |
| 18:04.01 | mosno | i'm finding so much cool software just by browsing the admin section of pdo... why oh why didn't i do this years ago? |
| 18:04.14 | abrotman | mosno: you were young and impatient? |
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| 18:04.40 | mosno | abrotman, likely |
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| 18:07.25 | poisonbit | perldoc -f alarm has a example replacement |
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| 18:10.12 | blackwall | abortman: is wpa2 thing is on ? |
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| 18:10.28 | mosno | abrotman, actually, i think i just had a flawed philosophy of "learn the base system first before delving into repos" |
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| 18:11.14 | abrotman | blackwall: uh what? |
| 18:11.27 | blackwall | if i would do wireless thing then i will need wpa2 module right |
| 18:11.28 | blackwall | ? |
| 18:11.45 | abrotman | i asked you if you had a wired connection you could use temporarily |
| 18:11.55 | blackwall | i dont have |
| 18:12.04 | abrotman | but you have wifi? |
| 18:12.18 | blackwall | its somehow broken |
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| 18:12.42 | blackwall | and my dvd-rom also |
| 18:12.53 | blackwall | :) |
| 18:13.10 | blackwall | got 4 years old laptop |
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| 18:18.32 | N-I-L | blackwall: whats the output from lspci | grep -i "network" |
| 18:19.18 | blackwall | 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) |
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| 18:20.07 | blackwall | N-I-L:0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) |
| 18:20.13 | Yoeld | Hi. I have a VPS installed with debian squeeze. I am trying to add users but want them to have access only to their own home directory. Any hints on how to configure this? |
| 18:21.00 | blackwall | N-I-L: 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) |
| 18:21.36 | blackwall | now im downloaded b43-fwcutter_013-2_i386.deb |
| 18:21.43 | N-I-L | blackwall: yea i saw. same thing i have. i use wicd for ease of connection. |
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| 18:22.08 | blackwall | im looking for b4311 driver |
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| 18:22.51 | blackwall | broadcom-wl-4.178.10.4.tar.bz2 which i found |
| 18:23.01 | NoOova | anybody help... |
| 18:23.01 | maotm | blackwall: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_wireless |
| 18:23.01 | NoOova | http://paste.org.ru/?p9ag4u |
| 18:23.02 | blackwall | i dont have internet |
| 18:23.07 | NoOova | wirst packet is from nginx to apache |
| 18:23.17 | NoOova | second is answer from apache to nginx |
| 18:23.26 | maotm | I have same wireless adapter |
| 18:23.30 | NoOova | why apache answers port 8080 at adapter? |
| 18:23.37 | NoOova | at location |
| 18:24.10 | blackwall | light is there but wicd doesnt show any network |
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| 18:24.40 | N-I-L | blackwall: still wireless-tools should be installed by default. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi will give you more info. |
| 18:24.41 | plug918 | jhutchins_lt: hey, yeah you are right, after checking with the document, i found out that is not firewall issue, i just need to bind it to the real ip address instead of localhost, everything works fine now |
| 18:24.42 | plug918 | thanks |
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| 18:43.48 | thewanderer1 | guys, is there a speech synthesizer in Debian that sounds better than espeak? |
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| 18:45.29 | thewanderer1 | and why can't espeak use PulseAudio anyway? wave_open_sound > Pa_OpenStream : err=-9996 (Invalid device) |
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| 18:52.21 | Data-Get | I'm having trouble getting Xorg to load a driver |
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| 18:56.18 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
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| 19:00.41 | iluminator101 | how do i rename 01 04 docin 01.odt 02 04 docin 03.odt 04 04 docin 01.odt in so as to delete 04's from this folder in one command or script???? |
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| 19:01.33 | arnoldB | The step would be using less question marks. |
| 19:01.37 | arnoldB | *first |
| 19:02.25 | arnoldB | Is there a HowTo for adding a new manual page to Debian's "manual database"? |
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| 19:04.33 | ParadoxG | Data-get, pastebin your xorg log. |
| 19:04.40 | arnoldB | ok I guess it's http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html |
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| 19:05.09 | Bushmills | iluminator101: so you want to rename 01 04 docin 01.odt 02 04 docin 03.odt 04 04 docin 01.odt |
| 19:05.19 | Bushmills | what do you want to rename it to? |
| 19:05.58 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.23 | Bushmills | mv "01 04 docin 01.odt" "01 docin 01.odt" |
| 19:06.42 | ansgar | iluminator101: "rename" can help. |
| 19:07.56 | iluminator101 | Bushmills, how do i create a script for whole folder its repeats itself to from 01 to 02 etc |
| 19:08.18 | Bushmills | for an inspiration, try for f in *.odt; do echo "${f/04 /}"; done |
| 19:08.23 | Bushmills | or read about mmv or rename |
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| 19:11.55 | corretico | hello |
| 19:12.32 | juliohm | Is that true Debian has a distribution compared to Arch when talking about newest softwares? |
| 19:12.34 | corretico | someone has some experience with "RT 4.0" on Debian 6 |
| 19:13.05 | juliohm | I heard about Debian Testing being compared to Arch |
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| 19:14.50 | fenugreek | juliohm: sid moreso |
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| 19:16.31 | juliohm | fenugreek, Debian sid is compared to Arch? |
| 19:16.46 | fenugreek | you could compare the two |
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| 19:17.15 | juliohm | I heard is difficulty to maintain, again, comparing to Arch. |
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| 19:17.21 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 19:17.22 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 19:17.39 | juliohm | thank you abrotman :-) |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | juliohm: you can try using wheezy .. but it may or may not bein a currently horrible state |
| 19:18.09 | abrotman | be in |
| 19:18.31 | juliohm | ok abrotman , i'll think better about this. ;-) |
| 19:19.01 | karlpinc | !tell juliohm about overview |
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| 19:19.10 | fenugreek | Arch is probably difficult to maintain =) |
| 19:19.16 | ParadoxG | what would be a good way or practice to have postfix with virtual domains? |
| 19:19.22 | fenugreek | well you won't get any warnings from Arch people |
| 19:19.27 | fenugreek | not even a warning about unsigned packages |
| 19:19.30 | juliohm | !tell juliohm overview |
| 19:19.31 | ParadoxG | currently I run ISPConfig 3, and want to move to a custom solution |
| 19:19.42 | karlpinc | ParadoxG: Read the postfix readmes regarding virtual domains? |
| 19:20.13 | karlpinc | ParadoxG: You will also want to setup some sort of authentication database, whether ldap or something else. |
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| 19:20.48 | juliohm | Thank you all, bye. |
| 19:21.10 | thewanderer1 | ParadoxG: workaround.org |
| 19:22.17 | ParadoxG | thewanderer1, awesome, good link. |
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| 19:28.26 | Data-Get | I need help loading a driver into Xorg my Xorg.0.log is http://pastebin.com/xmC0mJ4i |
| 19:29.34 | DasEi | is there a easy way if I compiled a newer version of a package to make apt/dpkg realize it so it'll be used until repos reached that version instead of default ? |
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| 19:32.10 | ParadoxG | which module are you trying to load? irtouch? |
| 19:32.25 | DasEi | Data-Get: what's the actual problem, seems you succesfully installed nvidia 195 propi and dpms working |
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| 19:32.34 | treebeen | wow, that left me a bit screwed, I had given the local domain the suffix .local - found out I couldn't ping my.machine.local - someting was odd, so I went looking and found out that avahi/zeroconf hijacks .local and messes with it |
| 19:32.43 | Data-Get | the module is irtouch its a touch screen driver |
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| 19:33.20 | Data-Get | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/irtouch_drv.so: undefined symbol: xf86open |
| 19:33.37 | DasEi | Data-Get: I see, very little idea there, sorry |
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| 19:35.04 | Data-Get | the driver needs to call a function present in xorg 1.7.0 however I have 1.7.7 is their any way to downgrade to 1.70 on debian squeze? |
| 19:36.12 | DasEi | Data-Get: just a hint, apt-cache search touchscreen might be worth some tries, and then apt-cache show / dpkg -S for version/dependencies |
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| 19:37.15 | Data-Get | thank you DasEi I will try to look there |
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| 19:49.01 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 19:50.20 | fenugreek | hi |
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| 19:54.56 | TrueDD | hi fenugreek |
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| 19:56.36 | abrotman | TrueDD: some day .. you and I are going to sit down and have a nice long conversation |
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| 19:57.27 | TrueDD | hi abrotman |
| 19:57.30 | TrueDD | really ? |
| 19:57.34 | TrueDD | how come ? |
| 19:57.50 | abrotman | because you only ever say Hi and Night all |
| 19:57.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 19:57.59 | TrueDD | :) |
| 19:58.35 | abrotman | either, you're a human logging facility, don't have any questions, maybe dont' speak english well .. who knows |
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| 19:59.56 | TrueDD | actually, you're almost right |
| 20:00.05 | TrueDD | I don't speak english very well, |
| 20:00.17 | TrueDD | I don't have any question at the moment, |
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| 20:00.43 | TrueDD | I have a logging facility :) |
| 20:00.57 | Vasistha | hi all. Trying to get my brother's laptop connected to a wireless network. Running lenny, and wicd |
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| 20:01.05 | TrueDD | by the way, some think I'm a bot sometimes |
| 20:01.18 | TrueDD | though I'm not |
| 20:01.19 | babilen | TrueDD: You are not, I have proof :) |
| 20:01.33 | TrueDD | hey babilen :) |
| 20:01.53 | babilen | Vasistha: and? |
| 20:02.07 | TrueDD | and I guess it doesn't work :) |
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| 20:02.32 | TrueDD | abrotman, now, you know all |
| 20:02.55 | abrotman | all? doubtful |
| 20:03.05 | abrotman | makes TrueDD go to #debian-offtopic |
| 20:03.33 | Vasistha | babilen: and, let's see, it looks like wpa_supplicant is installed but authentication is failing. My laptop, which is similar (also running lenny and wicd) but has a different wireless chipset, is connected to the same network |
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| 20:03.39 | TrueDD | abrotman, it really exists ? |
| 20:03.42 | Vasistha | babilen: not sure if I need to tweak wicd's settings, install something to help wpa_supplicant, or what... |
| 20:03.45 | ompaul | TrueDD: yes |
| 20:03.51 | abrotman | uh yeah |
| 20:03.53 | TrueDD | hi ompaul |
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| 20:04.02 | ompaul | TrueDD: no hi just go ;-) |
| 20:04.03 | TrueDD | ok, here we go |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | is pretty sure they don't put fake channels in the topic .. |
| 20:04.04 | babilen | Vasistha: What is the wireless chipset? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 20:04.27 | Vasistha | babilen: intell 2200BG [Caliexico2] |
| 20:04.44 | Vasistha | with one l |
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| 20:05.26 | babilen | Vasistha: firmware-ipw2x00 isntalled? |
| 20:06.05 | Vasistha | babilen: if the package has a name like that, no :) although curiously, able to connect to other networks |
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| 20:06.22 | Vasistha | I'll see if I can get that installed |
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| 20:06.43 | babilen | Ah, you are on lenny -- I have to readjust some neurons. Give me some minutes (i.e. /me is taking a short break) |
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| 20:07.13 | Vasistha | babilen: the package is available :) |
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| 20:13.10 | Vasistha | babilen: alright, I got the firmware installed, restarted wicd and the client, but still not authenticating |
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| 20:14.28 | Vasistha | and I've got to go to lunch :P |
| 20:14.52 | Vasistha | it's a wep network if that's somehow significant |
| 20:15.03 | babilen | Vasistha: Ah, could you reload the module and restart wicd. In short: Paste the output of "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; dmesg | tail -12" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 20:23.36 | unkmar | I just installed squeeze base, I am trying to get just enough installed to have openbox running in X. |
| 20:23.53 | Vasistha | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/126772/ |
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| 20:24.41 | babilen | Vasistha: Ok, could you try again? |
| 20:24.49 | babilen | Vasistha: I mean to associate |
| 20:24.59 | Vasistha | babilen: yes, trying to get the log... |
| 20:25.09 | Vasistha | why is xclip so stupid :P |
| 20:25.58 | Vasistha | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/126773/ |
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| 20:27.50 | Vasistha | don't recall why I had to rename eth0 to eth0_rename ... it seemed like a good idea at the time... |
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| 20:30.02 | babilen | Vasistha: I can't tell you that -- is wicd configured to use it? Why don't you name the interface wlan0? |
| 20:30.29 | Vasistha | babilen: yes, wicd is configured to use it; it works on some other wireless networks |
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| 20:30.47 | Vasistha | don't really remember how I managed to rename it in the first place. doesn't matter now, it just is what it is |
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| 20:31.01 | Vasistha | I think this box is just gonna get a fresh start when I install squeeze |
| 20:31.27 | babilen | Vasistha: So, if it works with other networks -- are you sure you got the passphrase correct? |
| 20:31.34 | babilen | !tell Vasistha -about 70 |
| 20:31.39 | Vasistha | babilen: yeah, I checked it a few times |
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| 20:31.47 | babilen | Hmm, weird |
| 20:32.14 | fossala | What are jails called in Linux (Not Linux-VServer the other one). |
| 20:32.20 | twobitsprite | !tell unkmar about install x |
| 20:32.32 | daemonkeeper | fossala: lxc |
| 20:32.34 | babilen | fossala: Are you thinking of containers (lxc) ? |
| 20:32.41 | Vasistha | babilen: oops. found it. I had wpa selected as the password type when it was a wep network. wicd is kinda stupid that way :P |
| 20:32.45 | babilen | ah, screw complete sentences |
| 20:32.52 | daemonkeeper | yes |
| 20:33.00 | babilen | Vasistha: great |
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| 20:33.13 | Vasistha | babilen: thanks much. should have checked my brother's stuff a little better :P |
| 20:33.16 | fossala | Thanks, my brother told me to look into them. |
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| 20:33.27 | Vasistha | aw, damn, still didn't connect :-( |
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| 20:33.39 | zastaph | how would I make ssh auto start on boot? |
| 20:33.47 | daemonkeeper | msg overhead = overrated, compression => spoken lang. |
| 20:33.52 | fossala | I normally use FreeBSD's on servers and Debian on workstations but it would be nice to only have to remember one os. |
| 20:33.52 | mjt | ssh? |
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| 20:34.16 | mjt | sshd is autostarted |
| 20:35.00 | ompaul | fossala: you could use chrooted environments, or virtual machines, depends on your objectives |
| 20:35.00 | zastaph | mjt, duh right.. forgot to start pageant |
| 20:36.09 | Vasistha | oh, now it is connected, yay! |
| 20:36.27 | Vasistha | babilen: thanks so much for all your help man |
| 20:36.36 | unkmar | twobitsprite: ugh, it wants the nouveau drivers. I prefer the nv drivers. |
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| 20:37.06 | babilen | Vasistha: I've done nothing -- but yeah, you are welcome. |
| 20:37.18 | fossala | It's mainly to keep my email, apache and data seperate on the same server. |
| 20:37.24 | mjt | unkmar: why you prefer nv? |
| 20:38.18 | Vasistha | babilen: heh, I know the feeling. anyway even when there's a pebkac problem, it's nice to have someone to bounce off of |
| 20:38.32 | Vasistha | alright time for lunch! all starving |
| 20:38.34 | unkmar | mjt, I don't remember why. probably because the nouveau didn't work at all, and the nv did with my ancient equipment. |
| 20:39.09 | mjt | unkmar: consider nv dead at this stage |
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| 20:42.01 | unkmar | yeah, so is my laptop at the moment. so I have to use ... forget it. |
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| 20:47.01 | Kiddo_ | Any idea why Wine isn't included in testing repos? |
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| 20:47.40 | ospcg | holaa |
| 20:47.48 | ospcg | aca habla hispana? |
| 20:48.11 | boudiccas | !es |
| 20:48.11 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 20:48.29 | abrotman | Kiddo_: probably just broken at the moment |
| 20:48.46 | ospcg | #debian-es |
| 20:49.20 | Kiddo_ | abrotman: oh... ok. i was afraid it's some intentional decision. :) |
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| 20:49.35 | abrotman | judd: versions wine-common |
| 20:49.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'wine-common' was found in i386. |
| 20:49.38 | abrotman | ugh |
| 20:49.42 | abrotman | judd: versions wine |
| 20:49.43 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 20:49.52 | boudiccas | ospcg; please try this ................... /join #debian-es |
| 20:50.24 | phorce1 | I'm wanting to play with VM using a Debian host. If the host I set up is virtualbox on a 32bit architecture machine with no hardware-virt support (older dual-Xeon server box -- not dual-CORE, two single core Prestonia socket 603 or 604 Xeons) --- is there any reason to install over 4G of RAM on the motherboard? Will either the guets or the host be able to make use of the extra 2G? |
| 20:51.07 | stepkrav | while trying to install a jar via console at debian stable i get "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.AbstractMethodError: org.apache.xerces.dom.DocumentImpl.setXmlVersion(Ljava/lang/String;)V". any ideas ?? |
| 20:52.10 | unkmar | I saw that experimental word with nouveau. |
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| 20:52.38 | unkmar | shall I test the lid problem again? I'll just close the lid, reopen and all this pretty stuff will be broken, Forced reboot. |
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| 20:53.03 | mjt | might be |
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| 20:58.50 | unkmar | weell, for some reason it didn't wig out this time. |
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| 21:00.09 | archboxman | !tell archboxman -about 70 |
| 21:00.29 | jelly-home | !tell jelly about 69 |
| 21:01.45 | iluminator101 | embedded flash player does not work in certain sites, how can this be? |
| 21:02.44 | zykotick9 | iluminator101, do you mean gnash for adobe flash? gnash doesn't work on many sites, unfortunately |
| 21:02.53 | zykotick9 | s/for/or/ |
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| 21:04.11 | twobitsprite | phorce1: check this out http://www.spack.org/wiki/LinuxRamLimits |
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| 21:05.22 | iluminator101 | zykotick9, adobe flash, this is site is running some embedded flash player and the button to play the embedded flash does not come up, its showing its loading but never loads |
| 21:05.23 | twobitsprite | phorce1: basically you need to install the pae kernel... but keep in mind, performance with >4G on 32-bit systems sucks |
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| 21:09.21 | wols | phorce1: each single VM cannot use more than 2-3.5GB each, but if you have several VMs at the same time, >4GB is useful |
| 21:09.35 | wols | while PAE does give a speedhit, it's not too big |
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| 21:12.10 | twobitsprite | wols: why can't a VM use more than 3.5G? |
| 21:12.30 | twobitsprite | page size or something? |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | even with PAE, a single process can't use more than 3.3GB or whatever it is |
| 21:13.07 | abrotman | but the system as a whole can address more than 4GB |
| 21:13.17 | twobitsprite | I see |
| 21:13.19 | abrotman | thinks that's right |
| 21:13.27 | abrotman | twobitsprite: what are the VMs running anyway? |
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| 21:13.37 | twobitsprite | points to phorce1 |
| 21:13.51 | abrotman | sorry |
| 21:13.54 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 21:14.53 | twobitsprite | just realized it's been *years* since he's had a build a kernel... |
| 21:15.05 | twobitsprite | maybe I should pull down the source just to see if I remember how :) |
| 21:15.28 | twobitsprite | have the configuration tools changed much in the last 4+ years? |
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| 21:16.08 | twobitsprite | last I was doing it, there was make x-config or something, which used cheesy motif-style widgets... |
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| 21:17.35 | ggoes | I don't think it's changed at all. |
| 21:17.50 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: make menuconfig |
| 21:18.25 | jhutchins_lt | There were some changes when we went to 2.6 as far as which makefile targets did what. |
| 21:18.54 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: well, there was the ncurses menuconfig, but there was an X-based configuration too |
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| 21:19.07 | jack_lt2 | syntax error: unknown group 'mlocate' in statoverride file |
| 21:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's still there, but why? |
| 21:19.15 | jack_lt2 | what's wrong? |
| 21:19.32 | jack_lt2 | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 21:19.33 | dpkg | jack_lt2: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:19.33 | jack_lt2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.33 | jack_lt2 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 21:20.03 | jack_lt2 | dpkg, yep |
| 21:20.04 | dpkg | somebody said yep was WOOOOHOOOO |
| 21:20.07 | xyan | twobitsprite: make xconfig still exists but it uses qt nowadays |
| 21:20.45 | jack_lt2 | I just wanted to install wmctrl |
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| 21:20.52 | jack_lt2 | hmm |
| 21:21.11 | jack_lt2 | google couldn't help here ... |
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| 21:22.35 | jhutchins_lt | jack_lt2: Which release are you on? |
| 21:22.53 | jack_lt2 | jhutchins, that's squeeze in a chroot |
| 21:23.09 | jhutchins_lt | jack_lt2: What's the base system? |
| 21:23.21 | jack_lt2 | jhutchins, maemo |
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| 21:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 21:24.33 | jack_lt2 | I have problems with locales also, dunno if that's related |
| 21:24.42 | jhutchins_lt | jack_lt2: dpkg-reonfigure -a |
| 21:24.46 | jack_lt2 | tried dpkg-reconfigure locales for that |
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| 21:25.02 | TheOnlyJoey | hello, i am trying to install gcc-4.4 from sid, but i am getting a weird perl error |
| 21:25.03 | TheOnlyJoey | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'perl'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 21:25.09 | jhutchins_lt | Without knowing more about mameo... |
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| 21:26.09 | twobitsprite | xyan: ohh, I'll have to check that out |
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| 21:26.29 | nsadmin | TheOnlyJoey, you have to replace weird perl with bipolar perl |
| 21:26.38 | xyan | twobitsprite: and also make gconfig with a gtk frontend, see make help ;) |
| 21:26.52 | TheOnlyJoey | nsadmin: whut? |
| 21:26.53 | nsadmin | TheOnlyJoey, seriously tho... |
| 21:26.55 | twobitsprite | xyan: I will, sounds exciting :) |
| 21:27.30 | nsadmin | what has you wanting sid gcc and to run it on what (the version of deb you have)? |
| 21:27.59 | TheOnlyJoey | nsadmin: i need it for the latest cmake |
| 21:28.10 | unkmar | nsadmin: bioplar? it hasn't gone completetly psychotic yet? |
| 21:28.15 | TheOnlyJoey | currently squeeze is installed |
| 21:28.38 | TheOnlyJoey | i normally do this all the time, but this time specifically i get error |
| 21:28.39 | nsadmin | unkmar, yes it has but that's not the one he needs! |
| 21:28.42 | TheOnlyJoey | errors* |
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| 21:29.44 | nsadmin | TheOnlyJoey, is it specifically a version of gcc that you need? if so, you could build it to install somewhere in your home dir, and then possibly get rid of it when you're done |
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| 21:30.26 | TheOnlyJoey | nsadmin: no it is just to install the latest cmake which requires a later gcc then stable could offer ;) |
| 21:30.30 | nsadmin | it's just that the version of gcc that comes with squeeze (whatever that might be) is what built all the squeeze packages, and the assumption is you might want that |
| 21:31.00 | nsadmin | right, I understand that part |
| 21:31.26 | nsadmin | so you might not wish to -overwrite- your gcc, is all I'm saying |
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| 21:31.44 | TheOnlyJoey | since it is both 4.4, it should not matter right? |
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| 21:31.58 | TheOnlyJoey | i have done this multiple times on other installs without problems |
| 21:32.43 | nsadmin | it is? what is with cmake then? what if you tried to backport the cmake? that would be A LOT easier than installing gcc from sid or building it |
| 21:32.45 | TheOnlyJoey | But the error message states a perl configuration problem, which looks a little weird to me when installing gcc |
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| 21:33.15 | nsadmin | that does seem weird... my first question would be, what is invoking perl |
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| 21:33.51 | nsadmin | I'm guessing that perl is used in the package scripts for something |
| 21:34.12 | jack_lt2 | jhutchins, dpkg-reconfigure -a it stops after choosing UTF-8 |
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| 21:34.33 | TheOnlyJoey | i am very close in just dist-upgrade the whole system to sid |
| 21:34.55 | jack_lt2 | jhutchins, debconf whiptail output the above errors, giving up! |
| 21:35.09 | nsadmin | packages that use perl in this way should (1) pre-depend on that perl and (2) pre-depend on any perl modules that don't come with perl as installed |
| 21:35.33 | jack_lt2 | locale Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: no such file or dir |
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| 21:35.55 | jack_lt2 | jhutchins, ^ |
| 21:36.01 | ben1066 | jack_lt2, i think you can just ignore it |
| 21:36.20 | nsadmin | TheOnlyJoey, if anything, do you have a spare box to put sid on? |
| 21:36.21 | jack_lt2 | ben1066, ok, but my problem is not solved :) |
| 21:36.38 | ben1066 | it will mean it defaults to us en |
| 21:36.40 | ben1066 | i think |
| 21:36.42 | jhutchins_lt | jack_lt2: Like I said, without knowing more about mameo... you can ignore the default locale thing. At some point, the fact that you're running a different base OS is gonna bite you though. |
| 21:36.46 | TheOnlyJoey | nsadmin: i run sid on 2 desktops and 2 servers from myself, but this is a server from a friend of mine |
| 21:37.14 | nsadmin | brb, local situation |
| 21:40.02 | TheOnlyJoey | so, dist-upgrading at the moment |
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| 21:42.27 | TheOnlyJoey | oh.. apparantly he added the complete Natty PPA in his debian setup.. that is not good :P |
| 21:43.36 | phorce1 | twobitsprite, abrotman, wols: sorry, ran out to grab lunch. #vbox says not useful unless running a PAE kernel and the old Xeons might not support that. |
| 21:43.57 | phorce1 | guests will be Win2K |
| 21:44.23 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have a minuscule problem on squeeze the driver for the Intel Corporation 82865G lspci -nn [8086:2572] detects the screen as having 300x220 mm when the actual screen size is 304x228 making the rendering of some fonts totally useless. How can i instruct xrandr about the real size of the screen? |
| 21:44.50 | abrotman | phorce1: but will the guests have >2GB RAM ? |
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| 21:45.23 | phorce1 | abrotman: they don't need it. 1G should be fine |
| 21:45.49 | abrotman | phorce1: and how much RAM does the host have? |
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| 21:47.48 | phorce1 | abrotman: the motherboard will support 6GB total. Running a 32 bit host only 4GB will be useful. The Host only needs enough to ... be a host. It won't be running any other services. So I can play with it to get it to minimum usage then give the rest to the guests. |
| 21:48.18 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: uh... how can the ratio being off by 4 and 8 mm actually matter any? |
| 21:48.22 | abrotman | so you want the PAE kernel ? |
| 21:48.22 | phorce1 | Because of the old hardware I will limit it to two guests |
| 21:48.38 | TheOnlyJoey | nsadmin: gonna try it with distr upgrade, thanks for the help! |
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| 21:48.49 | phorce1 | abrotman: not if the performance hit is as bad as google leads me to believe (PAE) |
| 21:49.16 | abrotman | phorce1: it's not |
| 21:49.34 | abrotman | phorce1: what are the win2k guests doing? just workstation VMs? |
| 21:49.49 | phorce1 | abrotman: I'll stick 6GB on the motherboard and set the bios to use the extra for failover |
| 21:49.50 | nsadmin | abrotman, (from yesterday) my wireless is working; I'm on it now |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: i saw .. i think i made a comment that the initrd didn't make much sense, but glad it works |
| 21:50.16 | phorce1 | abrotman: I have some legacy client mail servers that I want to combine onto a single box if possible. |
| 21:50.17 | nsadmin | I had the impression I overheated it |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | phorce1: mail server? win2k? icky |
| 21:50.45 | phorce1 | They aren't willing (yet) to shell out for new servers to run the legacy software |
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| 21:51.21 | phorce1 | abrotman: running something called iMail that doesn't really exist anymore in the incarnation that they have installed. |
| 21:51.28 | abrotman | awesome |
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| 21:52.38 | cesurasean | hey guys. when i type top into my command prompt on squeeze, i get this; 'xterm': unknown terminal type. |
| 21:52.44 | cesurasean | how do fix this so it works everytime i reboot? |
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| 21:53.25 | simonlnu | missing termcap/terminfo data i think |
| 21:53.49 | cesurasean | seems xterm wasn't installed. :/ |
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| 21:54.00 | phorce1 | abrotman: it was pretty nice 10 years ago. Expandable with customer submitted plugins, smtp, pop3, imap, skinnable webmail. Then they locked up and wend hard core proprietary and changed the name and raised the price. |
| 21:54.54 | abrotman | phorce1: "awesome" was supposed to imply i knew what it was :) |
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| 21:55.23 | cesurasean | in installed xterm, and still can't run top. |
| 21:55.25 | cesurasean | any ideas? |
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| 21:55.49 | abrotman | is there an error? |
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| 21:56.27 | bblum | hey folks, my server (32-bit debian) is having filesystem problems - it gets I/O errors and Bus errors on seemingly random files (I can't run cat, but I can run vim), and other files seem to have disappeared entirely (dmesg, mount, ...). /var/log/kern.log shows the following: http://pastebin.ca/2077347 (hda1 is /, hda3 is /home). we had a big storm that caused power outages; the server is on UPS and has not lost uptime, but i wonder if that might ha |
| 21:56.33 | bblum | anything to do with it. (1) is there anything i can do to fix the filesystems without rebooting? (2) if i do reboot (remotely, via ssh), can i rely on it coming back up again? |
| 21:56.54 | cesurasean | 'xterm': unknown terminal type. |
| 21:57.08 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: no, and no. |
| 21:58.10 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: You need to run an fsck, which can only be done with the filesystem unmounted or mounted read-only. If you can take the volume off line without taking the system off-line, you can check it that way. |
| 21:58.23 | bblum | mmm |
| 21:58.24 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: Otherwise, shutdown -Fr now and have somebody watch it. |
| 21:58.38 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: It sounds like a failing disk (or possibly controller). |
| 21:58.40 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: i know it is ridiculosly small but the difference of sizes does matter for the tcl/tk rendering of fixed with fonts |
| 21:58.45 | bblum | hm |
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| 21:59.02 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: It _could_ be a bad connection between the controller and the disk. |
| 21:59.05 | tharkun | s/with/width/ |
| 21:59.12 | bblum | yeah this just started within the last hour |
| 21:59.18 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: Do you have backups? |
| 21:59.20 | bblum | i would scp to it fresh mount and fsck binaries, but i have no other 32 bit system |
| 21:59.49 | bblum | no, and this machine holds the backups of my laptop |
| 21:59.58 | cesurasean | can someone help me with my xterm problem? |
| 22:00.01 | bblum | both drives did this at once which makes me doubt the integrity of the drives |
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| 22:00.22 | bblum | cesurasean, look in /etc/terminfo |
| 22:02.33 | bernhard2 | Is there a web based administrator for exim4 or dovecot ?? |
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| 22:02.42 | cesurasean | bblum, there's only a README in that dir. |
| 22:02.44 | abrotman | cesurasean: TERM=vt100 top ? |
| 22:02.54 | abrotman | cesurasean: "TERM=vt100 top" ? |
| 22:02.57 | cesurasean | abrotman, that works, but how do i get that to start? |
| 22:03.03 | cesurasean | everytime i restart it goes away |
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| 22:03.22 | bblum | hm terminfo is not right for you anyway |
| 22:03.28 | abrotman | cesurasean: is this in squeezE? sid? |
| 22:03.32 | cesurasean | squeeze |
| 22:03.37 | abrotman | you broke something |
| 22:03.47 | cesurasean | how do i fix it? |
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| 22:04.31 | nsadmin | abrotman, here's the next part: right now I have the config operating in /etc/network/interfaces, but I want to do it from the gui thing (I run kde) inasmuch as it's there... right now when I scan using the gui, there are no results in the window that pops open, and that's where I want to start |
| 22:04.32 | bblum | jhutchins_lt, any ideas where i can find 32-bit mount and fsck binaries that i know i can trust? |
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| 22:04.55 | nsadmin | (of course, when I iwlist scan it works fine) |
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| 22:05.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: is that perhaps because it can see that the interfaces file is managing it? |
| 22:05.26 | jhutchins_lt | bernhard2: No, they are real servers, not graphical toys. |
| 22:05.33 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 22:05.45 | nsadmin | I had that commented out before tho |
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| 22:05.57 | cesurasean | abrotman, how do i fix this? |
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| 22:06.22 | nsadmin | maybe it looks at the syntax in the comment (needs the word NetwrokManager in the comment?) |
| 22:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: Live CD? |
| 22:06.44 | bblum | yeah, that assumes physical presence with the machine |
| 22:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | bblum: When you're dealing with physical failure of system components, that's pretty much a given. |
| 22:07.25 | nsadmin | it may also be that since the interface is called eth1 it's not finding the interface |
| 22:07.27 | SuperNull | is there a ntp-server package for squeeze ? i tried apt-get install ntp-server and it complains it doesn't exist in the repository |
| 22:07.30 | abrotman | cesurasean: i'm trying to remember |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | cesurasean: moment |
| 22:07.49 | jhutchins_lt | cesurasean: pastebin the interfaces file. |
| 22:07.57 | tharkun | SuperNull: apt-get ntp |
| 22:08.33 | nsadmin | SuperNull, so, it does, but not by that name |
| 22:08.43 | tharkun | cesurasean: xterm reads config info from $HOME/.Xauthority |
| 22:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | SuperNull: aptitude search ntp would show you. |
| 22:08.56 | SuperNull | mmm. alright. ntp package has not just client support eh? |
| 22:08.59 | tharkun | SuperNull: apt-get install ntp :.) |
| 22:09.36 | SuperNull | i did ;-) |
| 22:10.10 | abrotman | cesurasean: can you reinstall ncurses-base and ncurses-term ? |
| 22:10.10 | nsadmin | SuperNull, also, ntpd is both a server and a client, and can be simultaneously; that's how they wrote it. you just alter the config to get which and to specify what you want |
| 22:10.27 | abrotman | cesurasean: actually, just ncurses-base |
| 22:10.55 | tharkun | nsadmin: isn't ntp a beauty :D |
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| 22:11.33 | SuperNull | sweetness i need it.. our SIP ATAs .. were pointing at this like 1998 server for ntp lol |
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| 22:13.19 | tharkun | SuperNull: you can make one of your local servers be responsable for your network time drift minimizing bandwith (which it is allready negligible) |
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| 22:13.26 | nsadmin | tharkun, yes, -and-, it only made sense to do it that way as simultaneous client and server is more typical than one might think (for example ntpd running on edge device as client of a remote ntpd, -and- as server to a roomful of boxes in the room on the NATted subnet) |
| 22:14.30 | bernhard2 | <jhutchins_lt> webtools are very handy, webmin, phpmyadmin etc.. |
| 22:14.35 | abrotman | cesurasean: ? |
| 22:14.43 | abrotman | bernhard2: they make you lazy |
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| 22:15.03 | nsadmin | and upstream ntpd admin people probably like that better than (say) a roomful of 100 boxes each hitting the same remote |
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| 22:15.45 | jhutchins_lt | !webmin |
| 22:15.46 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 22:15.57 | craik | hi |
| 22:16.46 | CraiK | !irssi |
| 22:16.46 | dpkg | irssi is probably the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:16.52 | jhutchins_lt | bernhard2: THey're a bad excuse for learning proper server management. |
| 22:16.54 | CraiK | :) |
| 22:17.16 | nsadmin | in my case, "I'd rather shave my head with a cheesegrater than run webmin on an exposed server" |
| 22:17.33 | jhutchins_lt | bernhard2: Microsoft Exchange is a great example of what happens when you let people who don't know what's going on manage mail servers |
| 22:17.39 | tharkun | nsadmin: do you accept cheesegraters from amazon :-) |
| 22:17.56 | bernhard2 | you can do whatever you like.. : |
| 22:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | I've had to repair a server after Webmin messed up. |
| 22:18.56 | nsadmin | how long did that take? |
| 22:19.08 | ompaul | he started two years ago and is still on it? |
| 22:19.15 | jhutchins_lt | It's a LOT easier to just learn console management in the first place than to have to figure out what it takes to clean up after a Webmin gitch. |
| 22:19.18 | nsadmin | heh :) |
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| 22:19.35 | CraiK | !awesome |
| 22:19.35 | dpkg | awesome is, like, a dynamic floating and tiling <window manager>. http://awesome.naquadah.org/ #awesome on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:19.38 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: A couple of days. Maybe a week to collect all the debris. |
| 22:20.34 | ompaul | nsadmin: a clean server would have been safer, and more importantly, more understood |
| 22:20.43 | abrotman | CraiK: knock it off |
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| 22:21.17 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: It doesn't actually mess with the binaries, just the configs, so it's POSSIBLE to recover. |
| 22:21.33 | bernhard2 | funny to see that a system can fucked up so easy :) |
| 22:21.51 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: I had to disentangle one previously I still get therapy ;-) |
| 22:22.18 | jhutchins_lt | For me, therapy it chasing people who want to install it with a hammer. |
| 22:22.44 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: it was what you might call "an inherited issue" |
| 22:22.46 | jhutchins_lt | s/it/is... |
| 22:22.52 | jhutchins_lt | Oh yeah, mine too. |
| 22:23.04 | ompaul | night all |
| 22:23.07 | nsadmin | it might be less so if they were more careful with webmin; additionally, it's been a LONG time since the debian maint determined webmin to be so crappy (like, at least 5 years) and that may have changed |
| 22:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | "We have advertising people who need to set up servers". |
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| 22:23.43 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I seriously doubt it. It would need a ground-up rewrite with a new philosophy |
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| 22:24.24 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: There are some that are not horrible, but sooner or later you need someone who knows how to do it from a pure console when the web server is down anyway so... |
| 22:25.33 | nsadmin | sooner seems cheaper since the server would then stay clean |
| 22:26.34 | jhutchins_lt | Mind you, it is entirely possible to totally screw up a server from the command line too. |
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| 22:26.55 | nsadmin | also a company using advertising people who are not clued into unix-style admin would be unwise to let them run a server of any kind on their internet-facing IPs |
| 22:27.02 | tharkun | nsadmin: I recently saw some webmin it is indeed as crappy as ever |
| 22:28.09 | jhutchins_lt | Didn't say it was good business practice. |
| 22:28.17 | nsadmin | tharkun, and to think they had an opportunity when debian maints first complained about it; webmin could have been great |
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| 22:30.45 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: (all: don't do this!) chown -R foouser / home/foouser |
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| 22:31.37 | jhutchins_lt | I still think it's a bad idea. |
| 22:31.47 | nsadmin | I agree |
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| 22:31.55 | _Dave123_ | Whats a good OS to boot in as rescue OS? FreeBSD Rescue 1.0? |
| 22:32.05 | _Dave123_ | or Rescue 1.0? |
| 22:32.17 | unkmar | I have squeeze installed, I have local network... Or I wouldn't be here. And I get internet through chromium but not iceweasel or wget. What gives? |
| 22:32.30 | jhutchins_lt | find /var/www -exec rm -rf {}\; |
| 22:32.46 | nsadmin | _Dave123_, something that has support for your drives, the filesystems on it, lvm if it's there, raid if it's there, and you network interfaces |
| 22:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | "hey, Bob? Remember when I told you to make sure you had current backups for all thirty web sites we host? You did that, didn't you?" |
| 22:33.44 | nsadmin | uhoh, bob just got thrown under the bus! |
| 22:34.12 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, Bob had the backups and was impressed on how smoothly we recovered from what could have been a real disaster. |
| 22:34.53 | thewanderer1 | guys, how would I go about this: I've got a roaming machine (a laptop) and want to mount a krb5i NFSv4 share |
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| 22:35.14 | nsadmin | so bob got thrown under the bus and crawled out before the bus started moving... |
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| 22:36.23 | jhutchins_lt | Well, no, the system worked and we recoverd in less than an hour. Besides, it was Bob's bus. |
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| 22:36.34 | thewanderer1 | do I just configure Kerberos, mount NFS at boot (handle failure how?), and set up PAM to auth by Kerberos as well? |
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| 22:37.09 | thewanderer1 | I'm not sure how well that will work when I'm outside my network... also, GNOME keyring won't be happy with multiple passwords |
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| 22:39.50 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 22:40.37 | thewanderer1 | and how do I handle mounting NFS on /home in case it's available, and a logical volume otherwise? is this a task for fstab? |
| 22:42.24 | gnarface | so anyone know why ipmi bitches about no fan drivers and shit on supermicro X7DBR-E motherboards (in squeeze)? |
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| 22:43.26 | bernhard2 | question.. i setting up exim4 with dovecot (it works 80%).. i want to setup mail for several domains.. This is done within Exim4 ?? |
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| 22:43.58 | gnarface | bernhard2: yea i've done it. its surprisingly easy, after you buy their book and read it twice |
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| 22:46.42 | jetscreamer | that's a weird on_boot script thing i would guess but i dunno... if exists nfs drive then mount blah else mount /vfs ... gah |
| 22:47.01 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: for what it's worth, ipmitool works for me on X8SIL-F and shows FAN sensors without a glitch on Squeeze/amd64 :P |
| 22:47.41 | gnarface | thewanderer1: thanks... the information is not worth nothing. can you pastebin me the output and the options you used to get it? |
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| 22:49.15 | gnarface | thewanderer1: sensors seems to work for me if i run sensors-detect |
| 22:49.32 | gnarface | thewanderer1: but i can't help but feeling like i'm missing something... like an acpi driver |
| 22:49.41 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: from IPMI: http://paste.debian.net/126788/ |
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| 22:49.50 | wraithguard01 | Where is the httpd bin on debian? |
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| 22:49.58 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: where are you getting the error messages from? |
| 22:49.58 | gnarface | thewanderer1: do you run something like powernowk8 on it? |
| 22:50.07 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I run acpi_cpufreq |
| 22:50.20 | gnarface | thewanderer1: munin-node is probing it in some way it doesn't like |
| 22:51.12 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: probing what exactly? |
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| 22:53.15 | gnarface | thewanderer1: it appears to be fans and temperature sensors |
| 22:53.21 | gnarface | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/yMgbri3D |
| 22:53.47 | Guest71390 | i'm a guest! |
| 22:53.56 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: for me it was the lacking ipmi_devintf, try modprobing it |
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| 22:54.46 | evilsquelch | bleg, i currently have a laptop running at home as a web/file/ftp server |
| 22:54.47 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: also, hopefully only root can access /dev/ipmi0 :P |
| 22:54.55 | evilsquelch | i can cook eggs on the dang thing |
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| 22:55.15 | evilsquelch | i need to build a cheap cool server for home use. WiFi not required what do you guys suggest? |
| 22:56.03 | thewanderer1 | evilsquelch: Atom D510 or D525, Debian amd64 on that and you're good. or AMD E-350 if you want hardware virt. |
| 22:56.53 | abrotman | evilsquelch: ARM |
| 22:56.59 | abrotman | !slug |
| 22:56.59 | dpkg | from memory, slug is the Sydney Linux User Group. Meetings are normally held on the last Friday of each month, at the University of Technology. http://www.slug.org.au/ #slug on irc.freenode.net. See also <nslu2>. |
| 22:57.06 | abrotman | !nslu2 |
| 22:57.06 | dpkg | [nslu2] The Linksys NSLU2 "Network Storage Link" is a NAS device with two USB 2.0 ports and one 10/100 Ethernet port. Supported by the <armel> port of Debian GNU/Linux. http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ . Proprietary NPE-B microcode (used by the Intel IXP4xx Ethernet driver) is available in the ixp4xx-microcode package, ask me about <non-free sources>. |
| 22:57.10 | abrotman | !shiva |
| 22:57.10 | dpkg | it has been said that shiva is a system which is usually hackable ... phree call tekniq wooooooo |
| 22:57.14 | abrotman | bleh ... |
| 22:57.37 | abrotman | anyway .. the arm stuff is insanely quiet and mildly cheap ... |
| 22:58.00 | thewanderer1 | yes, but harder to come by and you tend to feel lost without a BIOS :P |
| 22:58.02 | gnarface | how does it do on actual power cost savings when under load, abrotman ? |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | still better than Atom |
| 22:58.22 | gnarface | hmm. noted |
| 22:58.24 | abrotman | thewanderer1: depends where evilsquelch lives |
| 22:58.24 | thewanderer1 | yeah, in terms of usage cost sure |
| 22:58.43 | evilsquelch | so everyone says ARM processor |
| 22:58.48 | gnarface | really should switch to arm for his home servers |
| 22:58.51 | abrotman | evilsquelch: if you can find one tha tfits your needs .. y4s |
| 22:58.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:59.02 | abrotman | evilsquelch: you're in ME? |
| 22:59.07 | abrotman | guesses |
| 22:59.09 | evilsquelch | thewanderer1: i will look into D510 |
| 22:59.23 | evilsquelch | abrotman: nope |
| 22:59.44 | abrotman | always thinks midco is midcoast :) |
| 23:00.17 | evilsquelch | SD FTW |
| 23:00.19 | gnarface | evilsquelch: as long as you don't plan to 1) run a halflife/l4d/tf2 server on it and 2) don't plan to participate in any brute-force decryption projects or do a lot of heavy SSL use, arm chips i would imagine would be the ideal thing |
| 23:00.27 | abrotman | evilsquelch: they do have internet! :) |
| 23:00.52 | evilsquelch | at first i thought. ME meant Millenium Edition Win$.. i was going to ask why? |
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| 23:00.57 | Joe0006 | hello |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:01.05 | nsadmin | abrotman, hi again... so, do you think that if I completely removed the eth1 stuff from interfaces, the gui thing (which I don't know the name of; it may or may not be networkmanager) would start working without a reboot? |
| 23:01.08 | Joe0006 | is there a way to turn off multicast? |
| 23:01.18 | evilsquelch | might participate in decryption, and am considering a .torrent server. (open source only) |
| 23:01.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: doubtful .. network-mnaager is fussy |
| 23:01.34 | gnarface | not sure but i imagine torrents are fine |
| 23:01.41 | gnarface | evilsquelch: ^^^^ |
| 23:01.43 | Joe0006 | is there a way to turn off multicast in debian 6? |
| 23:02.06 | gnarface | Joe0006: you can block it with your firewall or you can compile it out of your kernel. maybe for the fun of it do both |
| 23:02.11 | nsadmin | abrotman, I wish it would express its fussyness in the form of an informative err msg... |
| 23:02.22 | evilsquelch | ssh into debian server now and on irssi on phone. easiest way to go.. but as i said the server/laptop gets hot |
| 23:02.47 | nsadmin | alright, let me try a few things... I'll be offline awhile |
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| 23:03.20 | Joe0006 | gnarface so i have to compile a kernal with it disabled? |
| 23:03.37 | abrotman | nsadmin: also note that n-m must know it is in charge in its config file |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | is heading out .. back later i think |
| 23:04.13 | nsadmin | ok, cool. now, how to figure out if nm is what I'm seeing/using |
| 23:04.21 | evilsquelch | wowww. i just realized that my server has two IP addy |
| 23:04.24 | evilsquelch | what the hell |
| 23:04.29 | nsadmin | oh, ok, have a good time |
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| 23:04.55 | abrotman | !nm |
| 23:04.55 | dpkg | methinks nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>. |
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| 23:05.09 | abrotman | nsadmin: /msg dpkg networkmanager .. see if there's a wiki page |
| 23:05.27 | abrotman | nsadmin: leave presents for namtorba :) |
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| 23:05.40 | gnarface | Joe0006: no i didn't say that. you could just block it with your firewall too. and there is probably a way to turn it off with a kernel commandline option too now that i think of it, but i don't know it |
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| 23:06.25 | nsadmin | hmm, maybe not... network-manager seems to be a gnome thing, and I'm running kde |
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| 23:06.56 | Black_Prince | network-manager is a daemon. KDE front-end to it is network-manager-kde |
| 23:07.25 | Black_Prince | judd, info network-manager |
| 23:07.26 | judd | Package network-manager (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: network management framework daemon. Version: 0.8.1-6+squeeze1; Size: 880.2k; Installed: 3152k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/network-manager |
| 23:07.35 | nsadmin | Black_Prince, hi, thanks for comment. how to find out if that's actually what I'm running? |
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| 23:09.06 | Black_Prince | Check for it's process ... pidof NetworkManager |
| 23:09.14 | jyce | !scrotwm |
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| 23:10.02 | gnarface | Joe0006: multicast comes in on a specific range of IP addresses, i believe. 224.224.224/24 or something like that. you can just block all the multicast traffic by ip. google it |
| 23:10.19 | gnarface | Joe0006: iptables can be used as a software firewall, fyi |
| 23:11.20 | nsadmin | seems it is present |
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| 23:12.16 | Joe0006 | gnarface ok man tell me how to do it |
| 23:12.20 | Joe0006 | i started a week go |
| 23:12.25 | nsadmin | ok, I'll work with it in a bit... thanks Black_Prince |
| 23:12.47 | Joe0006 | so what do i put in iptables ? |
| 23:12.55 | Joe0006 | that blocks it |
| 23:12.57 | nsadmin | rules |
| 23:12.57 | Black_Prince | If you had plain dhcp interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces then network manager is managing them. Just note, to use network manager you have to be in netdev group. |
| 23:13.33 | gnarface | Joe0006: iptables -P INPUT DROP; iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 23:13.38 | nsadmin | thanks. checking groups shows I am |
| 23:13.54 | gnarface | Joe0006: don't run that if its a remote server though, you'll lock yourself out |
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| 23:14.21 | gnarface | Joe0006: that blocks everything |
| 23:14.35 | Black_Prince | Also, it has been known that network manager is not that good with wireless (for some) |
| 23:14.39 | gnarface | Joe0006: it does not persist on reboot thoguh |
| 23:14.44 | nsadmin | gnarface, that could have been a little late :) |
| 23:14.50 | gnarface | woops |
| 23:14.56 | Joe0006 | ok then how to make it permanent then? |
| 23:14.58 | Joe0006 | haha |
| 23:15.07 | nsadmin | oh, maybe not, there he is |
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| 23:15.24 | Black_Prince | Add that in /etc/rc.local :-| |
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| 23:15.35 | Joe0006 | Black_Prince that's to me ? |
| 23:15.37 | gnarface | Joe0006: well you can dump the lines in /etc/rc.local or you can check out 'iptables-save' |
| 23:16.01 | Black_Prince | Joe0006, yes. |
| 23:16.20 | thewanderer1 | or have your own init script for a firewall |
| 23:17.08 | gnarface | Joe0006: if this IS a remote server you'll have to add some other rule(s) to allow yourself to get back in |
| 23:17.22 | Joe0006 | well it work if i put it in here ? |
| 23:17.27 | Joe0006 | - /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 23:17.32 | gnarface | hell no |
| 23:17.38 | gnarface | put it in /etc/rc.local |
| 23:17.41 | Joe0006 | ok |
| 23:17.44 | Joe0006 | what's the difference ? |
| 23:17.50 | Black_Prince | man sysctl.conf |
| 23:17.58 | gnarface | read the default contents of /etc/rc.local and it will be apparent |
| 23:18.13 | gnarface | Joe0006: sysctl.conf is just for kernel settingsparameters |
| 23:18.33 | Joe0006 | ok but i put something in there too |
| 23:18.44 | gnarface | in where... in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 23:18.47 | nes_ | w |
| 23:18.49 | Joe0006 | yeah |
| 23:18.51 | gnarface | what? |
| 23:18.53 | Joe0006 | net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling = 0 |
| 23:19.00 | gnarface | that's a kernel parameter that's fine |
| 23:19.05 | Joe0006 | ok |
| 23:19.05 | gnarface | that belongs in there |
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| 23:19.25 | gnarface | although if you needed to set that you really should examine your existing router/firewall - something is wrong |
| 23:19.54 | Joe0006 | router you mean the hardware ? |
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| 23:19.58 | gnarface | Joe0006: did you disable that for security purposes? |
| 23:20.13 | Joe0006 | yeah but also i have alot of PCs around me |
| 23:20.14 | gnarface | Joe0006: or did you disable it to get your connection working? |
| 23:20.35 | gnarface | Joe0006: nevermind i thought you disabled it to get your connection working |
| 23:20.38 | Joe0006 | it keep sending multicast even when it's disabled on the network and other OSes |
| 23:20.46 | Joe0006 | so the admin keep bothering me about it |
| 23:20.57 | Joe0006 | he thinks it may cause problems to him |
| 23:21.10 | nsadmin | which is possible |
| 23:21.11 | Joe0006 | i have total of 7 PCs in my room |
| 23:21.18 | Joe0006 | so he is telling me to fix it |
| 23:21.28 | gnarface | Joe0006: so wait... you probably should find out why its sending multicast and stop it |
| 23:21.36 | nsadmin | do you have a single gateway? |
| 23:21.53 | gnarface | Joe0006: also applying that firewall ON the box SENDING the multicast, will not block multicast from getting to *anybody* |
| 23:21.54 | Joe0006 | to the internet yeah |
| 23:21.59 | Joe0006 | but locally there are few routers |
| 23:22.22 | Black_Prince | Multicast? |
| 23:22.28 | Black_Prince | avahi-autoipd iirc |
| 23:22.52 | gnarface | oh yea i hate that thing |
| 23:22.54 | gnarface | i always uninstall it |
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| 23:23.10 | nsadmin | oh, I mean, you have a room with 7 machines... are they connected each to the gateway outside your room, or do you have a gateway inside and using a single IP upstream? |
| 23:23.21 | gnarface | Joe0006: this is all the wrong approach then. uninstall all the avahi-* packages |
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| 23:27.26 | OrigenAG | Morning all, a bit off topic but anyone familiar with the Draytek ADSL modem/routers? |
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| 23:29.38 | nsadmin | OrigenAG, not sure. I'm out, but you should ask your next q so people know if they can help... be specific and informative |
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| 23:32.19 | OrigenAG | Thanks nsadmin |
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| 23:34.46 | OrigenAG | Hi All, when setting up an L2TP over IPSec VNP from my Windows 7 Pro client I am unable to connect with am encrypted connection. As soon as I require encryption I receive error 691 which suspect is due to a error in protocol negotiation as oppose to username/password but I'm unsure of where the error lies or how to work around it. Any advice/help would be appreciated |
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