| 00:00.18 | tharkun | !tell cobe571 about ssb |
| 00:00.22 | cobe571 | a lot of hirony... btw |
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| 00:01.14 | streuner_ | judd, versions blender |
| 00:01.16 | judd | Package blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; wheezy: 2.58-svn37702-1; sid: 2.58-svn37702-1+b1 |
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| 00:02.19 | cobe571 | right i use Blender r39641M you're just old |
| 00:02.24 | me-alone | boudiccas, do i need to do download and do (dpkg -i *.deb) . will it do the manues itself |
| 00:02.57 | boudiccas | me-alone; manues? |
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| 00:04.02 | boudiccas | me-alone; what do you mean by 'manues'? |
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| 00:04.13 | cobe571 | btw im on amd64 not i386 |
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| 00:04.42 | me-alone | boudiccas yes, do i need to open it to my programme folder in my home directory or i can use any other location like desktop..?? |
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| 00:05.45 | boudiccas | me-alone; once you start dpkg it will install it to your /home folder and also to the /opt. the setup is done automatically |
| 00:06.12 | bst | me-alone: see http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 |
| 00:07.01 | bst | !libreoffice |
| 00:07.01 | dpkg | LibreOffice is a fork of <OpenOffice>. It is packaged in <testing> and <squeeze-backports>, replacing the OpenOffice.org packaging. http://www.libreoffice.org/ #documentfoundation on irc.freenode.net. Debian users will see little difference between the old OOo packages and LibreOffice, ask me about <debian ooo>. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623 |
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| 00:09.59 | me-alone | boudiccas, thank you |
| 00:10.19 | boudiccas | me-alone; yw |
| 00:12.23 | me-alone | boudiccas, do i need to download Linux x86 (deb) vesion . and do i need to un-tar it |
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| 00:13.47 | boudiccas | me-alone; download the deb version applicable to you, and then use ark to open it and save it to your home folder, then dpkg it like i said in the blog posting |
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| 00:14.05 | boudiccas | save it means to extract it |
| 00:14.41 | cobe571 | no way there's not a backport for ffmpeg_0.8.2-0.0 on debian sqeeze |
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| 00:16.29 | blackshirt | hello, anyone here experienced with installing debian on ibm x3650 M2 machine ?? |
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| 00:17.14 | blackshirt | i have try to install but stuck on detect disk, installer says that no disk found ?? how to solve this ? |
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| 00:18.25 | benji321 | What is the difference between using update-rc.d and chkconfig --add to install an init script ? |
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| 00:23.55 | blackshirt | hello, anyone here experienced with installing debian on ibm x3650 M2 machine ?? |
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| 00:27.46 | civillian | blackshirt: not specifically but I'd say they're all the same just about |
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| 00:28.12 | benji321 | What is the difference between using update-rc.d and chkconfig --add to install an init script ? |
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| 00:29.02 | blackshirt | civillian: thanks, i have try to install but stuck on detect disk, installer says that no disk found ?? how to solve this ? |
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| 00:29.16 | civillian | blackshirt: what is the controller? |
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| 00:30.35 | blackshirt | civillian: scsi controller with LSI Logic chip |
| 00:30.38 | rhenani | Hello guys I got know how to use rsync |
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| 00:30.54 | rhenani | I have a file that i want to transfer to another computer i have here next to me |
| 00:31.05 | rhenani | both have rsync and debian squeze |
| 00:31.14 | N-I-L | did you read the man? |
| 00:31.20 | N-I-L | man page even |
| 00:31.21 | deliria | Hi, for some reason the maximum level of audio on my debian+ALSA is very low, compared to windows. Anything I can do about it? |
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| 00:31.49 | th0r | rhenani: if you just want to transfer one file, rsync is not the tool for the job |
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| 00:32.34 | N-I-L | deliria: did you turn it up in the alsamixer? |
| 00:32.55 | civillian | blackshirt: according to the spec it should have a serveraid MR 10i controller |
| 00:33.06 | civillian | blackshirt: lspci? |
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| 00:33.57 | deliria | N-I-L: I was sure I did, just noticed I didn't max PCM :O Silly of me. Thanks! |
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| 00:34.41 | N-I-L | delarge: you got it. :D |
| 00:34.48 | N-I-L | oops! |
| 00:34.55 | N-I-L | deliria: you got it even |
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| 00:36.19 | benji321 | Hi, is that ok to use chkconfig --add to install an init script ? (instead of update-rc.d) |
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| 00:36.54 | blackshirt | civillian: not MR 10i controller, but bios said that was BR 10i controller ? |
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| 00:38.13 | blackshirt | benji321 : it doesn't matter |
| 00:39.16 | benji321 | blackshirt, great ! :) chkconfig --add seems to be more cross unix compatible isn't it ? |
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| 00:40.02 | civillian | blackshirt: what you're after is the mptsas driver, and it's in squeeze |
| 00:40.13 | benji321 | afaik centos suze and solaris don't have update-rc.d |
| 00:41.16 | blackshirt | civillian: yeah, still not found, i have try with megaraid_sas driver too, but still no luck.. |
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| 00:42.14 | civillian | blackshirt: that is odd.. what does fdisk -l say? |
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| 00:42.56 | blackshirt | civillian : how to issue that, i'm still on installer ?? with another console ? |
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| 00:43.13 | blackshirt | oke . wait a minute |
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| 00:46.44 | FDFlock | Hello! Quick question: I'm trying to write to /dev/sr0 with dd (as root) and I'm getting the following error: "dd: opening `/dev/sr0': Read-only file system" |
| 00:46.48 | FDFlock | Why? Does the Debian kernel have the "packet writting" support option disabled? And is that even needed? |
| 00:46.50 | j3rg | anybody got the Hauppauge 1600 to work in Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 00:46.51 | j3rg | ? |
| 00:47.17 | FDFlock | uhm... isn't this the Debian channel? |
| 00:47.38 | rhenani | guys how i sayd before i need to transfer a file from a computer i have to another one, i have both here, both have debian squeze and rsync |
| 00:47.47 | rhenani | I'm doing this: rsync -avP rhenani@172.16.109.165 /home/rhenani/scripts/debian-squeze.sh /home/rhenani/ |
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| 00:47.59 | rhenani | but it gives this error |
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| 00:48.56 | FDFlock | rhenani: For a single file I'd just use netcat (as a very quick and very dirty way), unless you need encrypted transfer ;) |
| 00:49.10 | FDFlock | rhenani: And check the file checksums afterwards |
| 00:49.39 | rhenani | http://paste.debian.net/127068/ |
| 00:50.51 | FDFlock | obviously it's looking for a file named "/root/rhenani@172.16.109.165" ? So the command syntax might be incorrect |
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| 00:53.58 | FDFlock | rhenani: So, did you fix it? |
| 00:54.11 | rhenani | FDFlock: I haven't man u.u |
| 00:54.22 | FDFlock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:54.38 | FDFlock | that's crazy |
| 00:55.05 | ZiRiu | 1001 people. Mother of god. |
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| 00:56.00 | n-iCe | is the disc2 in the download folder the same as the cd1 ? |
| 00:56.10 | n-iCe | will both install the same? |
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| 00:59.29 | n-iCe | more than 1000 users and nobody can answer that? |
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| 01:00.15 | FDFlock | n-iCe: More details needed (obviously) |
| 01:00.16 | Sanjuro | I think its extras, disc 1 is the most used |
| 01:00.30 | nsadmin | try the netinstall cd |
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| 01:00.39 | nsadmin | less initial download |
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| 01:00.54 | FDFlock | n-iCe: but yes, for installation you would only need the first CD (or netinstall), if you have internet access |
| 01:01.48 | FDFlock | BTW, now that the channel is a bit more active, does anyone know the answer to my previous question? :P |
| 01:03.57 | nevyn | FDFlock: what are you trying to write to? |
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| 01:05.42 | FDFlock | nevyn: I'm trying something like "dd bs=2048 if=/my/encrypted/file of=/dev/sr0" in an attempt to make the CD appear as complete garbage! |
| 01:05.54 | FDFlock | nevyn: insane, I know, but it used to work |
| 01:06.43 | n-iCe | netinstall nsadmin |
| 01:06.48 | n-iCe | ok have not tried that |
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| 01:07.06 | FDFlock | Now I'm getting the error opening "`/dev/sr0': Read-only file system" even as root |
| 01:07.12 | n-iCe | do I need to put it in a usb with netbootin as well nsadmin? |
| 01:07.19 | orangezy | do i need to partition an external hard disk that i just bought so it can be read on linux? |
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| 01:07.32 | FDFlock | orangezy: No, but ideally yes |
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| 01:07.49 | FDFlock | orangezy: Will it also be used on Windows machines? |
| 01:07.50 | dvs | FDFlock: I hope so for a CD ROM! |
| 01:07.57 | orangezy | FDFlock: so when i mount the drive, i just do mount /dev/sdX where/to/mount/to ? |
| 01:07.59 | orangezy | FDFlock: no |
| 01:08.19 | orangezy | and then i can read/write to it? |
| 01:08.33 | FDFlock | orangezy: then ideally you should format it using a Linux filesystem, for optimal performance and security |
| 01:08.45 | FDFlock | orangezy: I guess it came preformated as NTFS |
| 01:08.53 | civillian | !modconf |
| 01:08.53 | dpkg | modconf is a <ncurses> interface for configuring and loading Linux kernel modules. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612065. Ask me about <modprobe>. |
| 01:09.26 | nsadmin | modconf is gone?! |
| 01:09.31 | civillian | I know |
| 01:09.33 | civillian | just found out |
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| 01:09.56 | nsadmin | well I used it a coupla times, I do run squeeze |
| 01:10.01 | orangezy | FDFlock: okay thank you |
| 01:10.02 | FDFlock | orangezy: is that a desktop or a headless machine? If a desktop, Gnome or KDE would mount it automatically |
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| 01:10.13 | max_sharpe | headless |
| 01:10.13 | civillian | squeeze has it, not wheezy |
| 01:10.18 | orangezy | FDFlock: i have no guy at the moment, i'm using the recovery disk |
| 01:10.32 | orangezy | with the recovery disk, how can i configure it so i can ssh into the machine? is there an option? |
| 01:10.43 | FDFlock | orangezy: You mean a Live CD? |
| 01:10.49 | orangezy | FDFlock: yes |
| 01:10.53 | orangezy | the net install disk |
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| 01:11.15 | nsadmin | netinstall is not a live ce |
| 01:11.21 | civillian | dammit, modprobe < modconf |
| 01:11.27 | FDFlock | Wait, a Live CD/DVD/USB is a completely different disk than netinstall |
| 01:11.28 | n-iCe | nsadmin is that for me? |
| 01:11.39 | n-iCe | after I download the .iso what should I do now? |
| 01:11.48 | n-iCe | boot it? like every cd? |
| 01:11.54 | FDFlock | orangezy: I think I understood: You want to install Linux on an external drive? Is that so? |
| 01:11.55 | nsadmin | burn the iso onto a cd and boot |
| 01:12.01 | n-iCe | ok |
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| 01:12.15 | n-iCe | will it install the lastest .iso? and packaged, etc? |
| 01:12.41 | FDFlock | n-iCe: Careful, burn it as an ISO image! |
| 01:12.55 | nsadmin | umm, it will install the versions that go with the version of debian you're installing |
| 01:12.59 | orangezy | FDFlock: no, i'm trying to fix my broken system. but in need to log into the computer via ssh. the host computer has the netinstall disk, that's the only way i can run the machine |
| 01:13.02 | n-iCe | sure, I use unetbootin to boot from my usb |
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| 01:13.50 | FDFlock | orangezy: Doesn't the computer have a screen/keyboard? |
| 01:13.52 | max_sharpe | the broken one is a headless computer? |
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| 01:14.20 | nsadmin | OFF with its head! |
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| 01:14.43 | FDFlock | orangezy: You could boot netinstall, drop to a shell, chroot into your broken system and either fix it directly or install openssh to enable SSH access. |
| 01:14.53 | FDFlock | But the latter would be a bit crazy! |
| 01:15.02 | orangezy | FDFlock: how can i install openssh via the shell? |
| 01:15.33 | FDFlock | Using "apt-get install <packagename>" or "aptitude". |
| 01:16.09 | n-iCe | shuld we use aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 01:16.11 | FDFlock | doesn't remember the exact package name |
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| 01:16.29 | FDFlock | n-iCe: aptitude is a very nice apt-get frontend |
| 01:16.40 | goshawk1 | apt-get install openssh |
| 01:16.40 | FDFlock | it uses apt-get internally |
| 01:16.51 | orangezy | i already have openssh installed but i get connection refused when i try to ssh |
| 01:16.55 | FDFlock | and provides a nicer interface |
| 01:17.33 | FDFlock | orangezy: Oh! You should have said so. Did it stop working, or it didn't work at all? |
| 01:17.45 | FDFlock | it's probably a configuration problem |
| 01:18.20 | orangezy | didn't work at all |
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| 01:18.56 | orangezy | would /etc/init.d/sshd enable make it work? |
| 01:18.58 | FDFlock | check the permissions of your "~/.ssh" directory and the files inside - it's a common config problem |
| 01:19.13 | kuznetzvo | wow. whoever owns aboutdebian.com must be a total dick.. everything i google related to "newbie" or "learn from scratch" etc lists his pages first -.- |
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| 01:19.54 | kuznetzvo | speaking of that though, i'm trying to introduce deb to some highschool students with no prior linux experience and limited understanding of computers. basically throwing them in the river to see which ones float. any suggestions? :) |
| 01:20.22 | FDFlock | kuznetzvo: I don't know, but it should probably start with a GUI |
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| 01:20.55 | FDFlock | kuznetzvo: People not using computers are NOT impressed by the amazing power of the shell |
| 01:20.58 | FDFlock | sadly |
| 01:21.06 | nsadmin | kuznetzvo: the river should have rapids! |
| 01:21.13 | kuznetzvo | I think that's a good idea. Hell most students these days and many technicians can't even use windows cmd.exe much less bash |
| 01:21.25 | kuznetzvo | nsadmin, i was thinking of WWII era sea mines.. |
| 01:21.48 | nsadmin | are you near horseshoe falls? |
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| 01:22.00 | kuznetzvo | not that i know of |
| 01:22.07 | nsadmin | you could try putting em in barrels... |
| 01:22.32 | nsadmin | seriously tho... what's the purpose? |
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| 01:23.35 | dvs | nsadmin: o_O |
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| 01:23.51 | nsadmin | kuznetzvo, you'd know if you were near horseshoe falls... it's larger than niagra |
| 01:23.55 | FDFlock | Also, if I was a beginner I'd be SERIOUSLY pi???? off if I ever saw Firefox renamed as Iceweasel... in fact, it still pi**** me off |
| 01:23.58 | kuznetzvo | basically going to see exactly who has sufficient curiosity to make something useful out of the experience. |
| 01:24.04 | FDFlock | apologises for the ranting |
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| 01:24.37 | nsadmin | FDFlock, debian doesn't think it can distribute firefox by that name |
| 01:24.38 | n-iCe | is a core 2 duo intel 320 GB Hard drive and 4GB of ram useless for debian? |
| 01:24.54 | n-iCe | I mean will I be spening maybe a good laptop for debian os? |
| 01:24.54 | Dewi | nsadmin: Mozilla made it pretty clear that they can't |
| 01:24.56 | nsadmin | n-iCe, nice macnine |
| 01:24.59 | FDFlock | nsadmin: I know |
| 01:25.08 | n-iCe | can debian use all the resources? |
| 01:25.11 | n-iCe | 2.5GHZ |
| 01:25.20 | nsadmin | probably |
| 01:25.23 | FDFlock | nsadmin: Actually, I know exactly the whole story |
| 01:25.35 | dvs | They could, but it was have to be up-to-date all the time. |
| 01:25.53 | FDFlock | which is the reason it annoys me (sorry for being off-topic, but since you asked...) |
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| 01:27.45 | nsadmin | n-iCe, maybe you should consider whether you like debian or even linux |
| 01:27.50 | peterrooney | dpkg: HCL |
| 01:27.50 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 01:28.18 | peterrooney | n-iCe: /msg dpkg HCL |
| 01:28.22 | n-iCe | nsadmin I love linux a lo |
| 01:28.40 | nsadmin | so maybe it's debian you should think about |
| 01:28.47 | dvs | "a lo" ?!? |
| 01:28.49 | n-iCe | but can Debian go my machine to the full resources? |
| 01:28.58 | nsadmin | jae lo? |
| 01:29.00 | n-iCe | I don't know the english word |
| 01:29.11 | n-iCe | I mean can Debian use my laptop to its high potencial? |
| 01:29.15 | n-iCe | that's maybe the question |
| 01:29.35 | FDFlock | n-iCe: Why would such nice hardware be "useless" for Debian? Linux is known for being able to exploit the hardware's full power. yes, Debian could run on a much lesser machine, but it will unlock the full potential of your laptop |
| 01:29.44 | oldtopman | n-iCe: Only if you install the correct video drivers |
| 01:29.51 | nsadmin | kernels are what supports hardware |
| 01:30.04 | n-iCe | ok netinstall downloaded |
| 01:30.06 | n-iCe | let me boot on it |
| 01:30.08 | n-iCe | brb :D |
| 01:30.25 | dvs | n-iCe: I'd try a live first |
| 01:30.29 | FDFlock | oldtopman: well, true enough (VDPAU is amazing, for the few fortunate laptop owners with nvidia cards) |
| 01:31.43 | nsadmin | what;s a vdpau? |
| 01:31.49 | zykotick9 | is that a path that can access SSH (FUSE) Gnome mounts? I remember a time (on a similar distro) that you could find them in ~/.gvfs but that appears empty on squeeze. |
| 01:31.58 | nsadmin | something to innoculate against? |
| 01:32.05 | FDFlock | nsadmin: nVidia's proprietary video acceleration API |
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| 01:32.24 | zykotick9 | s/is that/is there/ |
| 01:32.41 | FDFlock | nsadmin: Oh, were you sarcastic? |
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| 01:32.57 | nsadmin | yes, but also curious |
| 01:34.00 | FDFlock | nsadmin: It's only supported by the proprietary drivers (sadly), but can easily decode 2 FullHD streams (at the same time) on my laptop with <10% CPU usage |
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| 01:34.35 | FDFlock | nsadmin: It actually works much better than the video acceleration implementation on Windows! |
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| 01:35.56 | FDFlock | zykotick9: GVFS was replaced by another API a few years ago (3?) |
| 01:36.18 | FDFlock | zykotick9: That doesn't provide the same functionality |
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| 01:37.20 | FDFlock | zykotick9: However SSHFS (FUSE-based) does not depend on GVFS, so it will probably work just fine |
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| 01:38.27 | zykotick9 | FDFlock, thanks, I'll look into it. I've used sshfs in the past, wasn't ever that pleased with it. But if it creates more accessible mounts, perhaps it's worth the effort. |
| 01:39.00 | FDFlock | zykotick9: It's been years since the last time I used it, but I never had any problems with it |
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| 01:39.52 | zykotick9 | FDFlock, BTH it's been years since I used it as well, but I was left with a bad impression (perhaps unjustified). Thanks again. |
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| 01:40.10 | FDFlock | :) |
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| 01:41.30 | FDFlock | zykotick9: It's crazy, but I was also using it as a network FS between Windows <-> Linux (because NFS was a PITA to use on Win) |
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| 01:42.32 | zykotick9 | NFS is a PITA with Mac as well (or was a couple of years ago) - ex-gfriend had a Mac |
| 01:42.47 | gnarface | yea |
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| 01:43.15 | FDFlock | 64bit versions of Windows discontinued NFS support completely... duh |
| 01:43.21 | gnarface | i remember that zykotick9 ... there were horrible stability problems with the mac build of nfsv3 that would only rear their heads when you connected it to newer nfs servers ... total crap. |
| 01:43.36 | FDFlock | but the "native" Microsoft driver used to crash the machine twice a day |
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| 01:44.59 | zykotick9 | FDFlock, well sshfs was a 40.9 kB and does exactly what i wanted - thanks much :) |
| 01:45.06 | FDFlock | nice :) |
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| 01:51.31 | zykotick9 | doh, spoke a little too soon. if i mount with root account, sshfs mounts correctly, but is only accessible by root (although the ls -l, show owned by my user:user - i guess the ssh user really). And mounting with my local user account gives permission denied for Fuse. More research required. FDFlock thanks though. |
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| 01:52.26 | nsadmin | ls -l what? |
| 01:52.48 | nsadmin | if nothing, what pwd and what df .? |
| 01:53.17 | FDFlock | zykotick9: BTW, you probably already know, but usernames and group names do not matter; the UIDs and GIDs is what should match metween machines |
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| 01:53.38 | FDFlock | s/m/b/ |
| 01:54.01 | derric | What command does dig require to return the ip addresses assigned to a domain mame? |
| 01:54.06 | zykotick9 | FDFlock, i'm guessing it's due to my local user not being in the fuse group, logging out/back in to test |
| 01:54.16 | dvs | derchris: dig -x |
| 01:54.20 | nsadmin | right, that's true too... however if you were doing ls -l on the machine where the users you want are defined, it will show those users on the ls -l listing |
| 01:54.20 | FDFlock | zykotick9: That's it, I remember that |
| 01:54.23 | derric | Thanks. |
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| 01:55.34 | FDFlock | zykotick9: I guess it worked, right? ;) |
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| 01:56.42 | zykotick9 | FDFlock, it is now yes. Thanks for the help. |
| 01:57.16 | zykotick9 | FDFlock, created a ~/mnt directory to mount into - feels a bit odd ;) |
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| 01:58.00 | FDFlock | I remember having to do that as well (I mean, adding myself to the fuse group). ;) |
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| 02:00.02 | zykotick9 | There are some subtle difference from using the regular Gnome SSH mount - links are broken with sshfs, but work with the Gnome mount? Not a big deal mind you. |
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| 02:00.32 | zykotick9 | The upside, it's a "more proper" mount :) |
| 02:00.47 | zykotick9 | even shows up in "mount" |
| 02:01.23 | nsadmin | mount is mount |
| 02:01.24 | FDFlock | ! |
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| 02:02.28 | zykotick9 | nsadmin, "connect to server" / SSH isn't a mount then - which i guess it isn't really. |
| 02:03.18 | nsadmin | it's about whether mount(2) was called |
| 02:03.22 | FDFlock | zykotick9: yeah, it was probably implemented completely inside GVFS, like http access etc. |
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| 02:04.22 | FDFlock | Does the Debian kernel have the "packet writting" support option disabled? (I remember having raw access to /dev/sr0 by default in other distros) |
| 02:05.15 | FDFlock | Argh, that's too bad, I can't write directly to /dev/sr0 even as root! says it's a read-only device |
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| 02:05.54 | FDFlock | opening `/dev/sr0': Read-only file system |
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| 02:06.24 | nsadmin | of course it is |
| 02:06.31 | nsadmin | sr0 is a cdrom |
| 02:06.42 | dvs | yeah |
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| 02:07.24 | FDFlock | well, it certainly used to work, you could even write a tar directly on the CD as if it was a tape drive! (no ISO9660) |
| 02:07.39 | FDFlock | or everything else really |
| 02:07.57 | derric | dvs: dig name -x is only returning a single ip address. |
| 02:08.26 | FDFlock | just "sudo dd if=/my/file of=/dev/sr0 bs=2048" and it would work! |
| 02:08.37 | derric | dvs: is there a way to get the whole enterprise address span? |
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| 02:09.37 | dvs | derric: not that I know of. dig -x returns several IPs for me (but nowhere near all IPs) |
| 02:10.34 | FDFlock | Is the kernel config exported in /proc by default? |
| 02:10.53 | nsadmin | see the config file |
| 02:11.02 | FDFlock | Oh man, I guess not! I'll have to mount /boot ... Why is everything so difficult today? |
| 02:11.03 | derric | I'm trying to set up a filter for ads. To drop packets from the likes of hollywire.com etc. I figure they will be using more then one iP. |
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| 02:11.26 | Dewi | dvs / derric -x is for getting names not IPs |
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| 02:11.44 | Dewi | dvs / derric : ie it's a reverse lookup |
| 02:11.54 | derric | wade: Number -> names aye? |
| 02:12.04 | FDFlock | nsadmin: Nice one, seeing the config file in order to check whether the config file is exported... kinda defeats the purpose of /proc! Thanks though! |
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| 02:12.39 | nsadmin | no, the actual -file- |
| 02:13.11 | derric | I set up bind9 a few years ago. I think there are DNS records that state IP ranges associated with domain names. |
| 02:13.22 | nsadmin | it's not a catch-22 in debian, because debian kernels were built with make-kpkg which installs the config in /boot |
| 02:13.25 | Dewi | derric: not that I know of. Try whois |
| 02:13.46 | FDFlock | nsadmin: Yeap, it's just that my /boot wasn't mounted ;) |
| 02:14.04 | FDFlock | so /proc would be convenient |
| 02:14.26 | Dewi | derric: or maybe do a series of lookups with +trace and see if you get different answers each time |
| 02:15.03 | Dewi | derric: (since trace bypasses recursive and all the associated caching) |
| 02:16.13 | Dewi | derric: but you never know how they're allocating IPs, could be a roundrobin, could be a sticky roundrobin, could be load-driven or even routing driven |
| 02:16.51 | Dewi | derric: oh, if it's a source of email and they are using SPF, that would specify a range |
| 02:16.53 | FDFlock | OK, CONFIG_CDROM_PKTCDVD is compiled as a module |
| 02:17.51 | FDFlock | loading the module didn't help |
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| 02:18.28 | FDFlock | I remember that block devices could be somehow marked as "read-only", does anyone remember the command? |
| 02:19.05 | gnarface | FDFlock: its a mount option. |
| 02:19.22 | dvs | -o ro |
| 02:20.33 | FDFlock | gnarface, dvs: No! I'm not talking about the filesystem, I'm talking about raw access to the device itself |
| 02:20.42 | FDFlock | I think it's "blockdev" |
| 02:21.07 | gnarface | FDFlock: well if your user has no rw access to the /dev node, then you can't get raw access |
| 02:21.46 | gnarface | FDFlock: in debian the easiest way to accomplish this is to just not put the user in the 'disk' group (you should never do that anyway) |
| 02:22.18 | gnarface | FDFlock: have you had problems in the past with arbitrary users gaining raw access to block devices on your system? |
| 02:22.33 | OldParr | i have not touch my machine since a year ago, simply running aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade will be enough to have latest version of debian ? |
| 02:22.35 | FDFlock | gnarface: thank you for the response, but I'm using root priviledges anyway, and it still doesn't let me |
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| 02:23.21 | FDFlock | gnarface: No problems, I'm just trying to write to /dev/sr0 directly and it doesn't let me (it used to, in the past) |
| 02:23.33 | gnarface | FDFlock: hmm. can't say then, sounds weird. the only time i've seen that it was because the filesystem on the device was marked unclean, and needed to be fsck'd before mount (mount will automatically mount an otherwise read-write device in read-only mode if its dirty) |
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| 02:24.11 | Dewi | FDFlock: possibly a per-module option, not sure if there's a standard mechanism |
| 02:24.28 | FDFlock | "sudo blockdev --getro /dev/sr0" outputs "0", so it's not that... also I manually modprobe'd the packet writting module, nothing |
| 02:24.33 | FDFlock | It's driving me crazy |
| 02:24.48 | gnarface | FDFlock: did you try fscking it before mounting it? give it a try |
| 02:24.54 | Dewi | FDFlock: could something on some level think it's just a plain old CD-ROM? |
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| 02:25.25 | FDFlock | Dewi: No, it's working correctly when writting with growisofs etc. |
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| 02:26.46 | Dewi | FDFlock: it doesn't use the block device? |
| 02:26.47 | FDFlock | As I said before, in the past you could even write a tar directly as if the CD was a tape drive! (without an ISO9660 or UDF filesystem) |
| 02:27.04 | FDFlock | Dewi: That's why it's crazy. |
| 02:27.15 | gnarface | FDFlock: you can still do that... doesn't mean it would ever work right |
| 02:27.20 | Dewi | FDFlock: I wonder if there's a magic ioctl |
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| 02:27.30 | FDFlock | you probably need "packet writing" support in the kernel, but it's enabled as well |
| 02:27.33 | Dewi | FDFlock: I'm way out of my depth tho :) |
| 02:28.12 | gnarface | FDFlock: i have worked with optical burners in linux and i know that packet writing doesn't always work for all devices... |
| 02:28.19 | gnarface | FDFlock: or at least didn't, years ago |
| 02:28.32 | gnarface | FDFlock: how old is the device? you say its optical? |
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| 02:28.58 | FDFlock | gnarface: Oh, so it could be that... thanks for telling me, because it's the first time i'm trying it with this particular drive |
| 02:29.14 | gnarface | FDFlock: some drives need specific options to cdrecord |
| 02:29.15 | FDFlock | gnarface: It's a laptop DVD recorder, 1 year old |
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| 02:29.58 | gnarface | FDFlock: check this out, my cdrecord line for my plextor ide burner: cdrecord -v -dao -eject speed=52 fs=8m driveropts=burnfree dev=/dev/hdc -swab -data ~user/datafile.iso |
| 02:30.26 | gnarface | FDFlock: what's educational about this, is that with this specific model of plextor burner, fs=8m and driveropts=burnfree are *MANDATORY* for proper functionality |
| 02:30.33 | FDFlock | wow, that's scary stuff! Even mencoder used to be simpler :) |
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| 02:31.14 | gnarface | FDFlock: and speed= must be set to the lower of the max speed allowed by the burner or the media (some of the cheaper optical disks you buy at the store only go up to 48x so i have to change that 52 to a 48 or anything bigger than a 50MB image will have errors on read) |
| 02:31.37 | gnarface | FDFlock: sorry never used mencoder... i figured out cdrecord and never looked back |
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| 02:32.19 | gnarface | FDFlock: isn't mencoder for video stream encoding? i didn't know it burned media too... |
| 02:32.35 | FDFlock | gnarface: mencoder is a CLI video encoder/multiplexer, notorious for the very long commands, that's why I mentioned it :) |
| 02:32.44 | FDFlock | the man page was 5000+ lines long! |
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| 02:32.56 | gnarface | FDFlock: oh i gotcha. yea its complex. i was just confused by the reference for a moment. |
| 02:33.03 | FDFlock | yea, sorry |
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| 02:33.28 | gnarface | FDFlock: yea you'll want to read the cdrecord manpage. luckly as you're reading it it will become apparent when there is a section you can skip (because it will be specific to hardware or media formats you're not using) |
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| 02:34.26 | hochron | do I need apache? when I try too remove apache2.2 it will install apache2 |
| 02:35.11 | hochron | I dont think I installed it to start |
| 02:35.13 | gnarface | hochron: no you don't need it unless you have something listed that requires it or something else that provides "httpd-daemon" or whatever the dpkg flag or it is called |
| 02:35.33 | FDFlock | gnarface: Thank you for taking the time to write down all this valuable info! I'll save the IRC log and try again tomorrow with a clear head, because it's getting WAY too late here... |
| 02:35.38 | FDFlock | gnarface: Again, thank you very much! |
| 02:35.45 | gnarface | FDFlock: good luck |
| 02:35.54 | FDFlock | is away :) |
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| 02:36.03 | hochron | ok, gnarface I think I do, like django or node.js |
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| 02:36.20 | hochron | or twisted |
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| 02:37.19 | gnarface | hochron: probably yes then. however its worth noting that while apache is a common default because its the most reliable, there are lighter-weight alternatives that have less features you can sometimes get away with using instead |
| 02:37.47 | gnarface | hochron: (nginx comes to mind, as does lighttpd) |
| 02:37.57 | hochron | ok ty gnarface |
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| 02:38.45 | UncleNinja | Why can't I import django.core in Python 2? I can import django, but nothing below that (ie django.contrib, django.http, etc) |
| 02:40.15 | OldParr | i have not touch my machine since a year ago, simply running aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade will be enough to have latest version of debian ? |
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| 02:43.47 | peterrooney | OldParr: mostly depends on if it was squeeze or lenny |
| 02:44.21 | peterrooney | squeeze came out, what, February? |
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| 02:44.40 | peterrooney | sorry, squeeze was declared stable in Februrary 2011 |
| 02:45.07 | OldParr | peterrooney: i think it is lenny but i am not sure |
| 02:45.27 | zykotick9 | OldParr, "lsb_release -s -c" will tell you |
| 02:45.42 | orangezy | what is the hex code for ext3 in fdisk? |
| 02:46.01 | OldParr | zykotick9: it is lenny |
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| 02:46.34 | peterrooney | OldParr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:46.36 | zykotick9 | OldParr, see "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" if you feel like upgrading |
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| 02:48.12 | OldParr | cat /etc/debian_version --> 5.0.5 |
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| 02:48.32 | peterrooney | OldParr: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 02:48.44 | nsadmin | fdisk will tell you when you t |
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| 02:49.31 | zykotick9 | peterrooney, is there a quasi-echo in here ;) |
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| 02:50.59 | OldParr | i do not understand this --> apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
| 02:51.12 | dak221 | hi, im having trouble with Java in iceweasel on debian6, i have installed both non-free and free java implementations http://pastebin.com/fMShE5sZ |
| 02:51.21 | derric | Devi: Pardon me I was reading my Bind book. It the ads the displayed all over the web pages I go to that I want to filter out rather then email. What you said is right. Who knows how they juggling their ad server addresses. That's why I thought of blocking ALL the addresses associated with the domain. It's a difficult question. I'll be reading my book for a while while i figure out the best way to deal with this. |
| 02:51.51 | zykotick9 | OldParr, all that string does is pick the correct architecture (ie amd64) automatically for you |
| 02:53.21 | OldParr | zykotick9: like this ? --> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
| 02:53.24 | MSTRCNVS | By some reason I don't know I've clicked the button to remember the session apps in execution to be executed every session that is started, how to I dismiss all this configuration and get back to default, it is opening several apps that I don't want. |
| 02:53.48 | Rafase282 | can someone help me resize a img file? |
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| 02:54.37 | zykotick9 | OldParr, looks correct (only a superficial look over it though) |
| 02:55.34 | zykotick9 | OldParr, you did update your sources.list first right? |
| 02:55.50 | OldParr | zykotick9: no |
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| 02:56.58 | OldParr | i am just typing "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev" in a root terminal and it launches errors |
| 02:57.11 | zykotick9 | OldParr, updating source is 1st step in lenny->squeeze factoid |
| 02:57.39 | OldParr | how do i update my source |
| 02:57.57 | zykotick9 | OldParr, "# vi /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 02:58.24 | zykotick9 | OldParr, or your preferred editor |
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| 02:59.18 | OldParr | zykotick9: /etc/apt/sources.list is empty |
| 02:59.27 | OldParr | is an empty file |
| 03:00.14 | zykotick9 | OldParr, did i typo? this is a paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:00.44 | zykotick9 | OldParr, that should NOT be an empty file! |
| 03:01.20 | OldParr | where do i paste |
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| 03:02.13 | zykotick9 | OldParr, you don't paste, i was just worried when i typed the path i'd made a mistake, doesn't look like i did. |
| 03:02.35 | OldParr | http://paste.debian.net/127077/ |
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| 03:03.27 | zykotick9 | OldParr, that's not empty?! You need to change the words lenny to squeeze. Read the lenny->squeeze factoid again. |
| 03:04.04 | OldParr | ok |
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| 03:10.14 | OldParr | zykotick9: can i just replace automatically all instances of the string "lenny" with the string "squeeze" in /etc/apt/sources.list ??? |
| 03:10.51 | zykotick9 | OldParr, if you know how - sure. I've always done it manually myself. |
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| 03:12.09 | derric | Devi: Still there? |
| 03:13.05 | k-man | can I specify a cron job to run at hours between 9pm and 5am? can you just do 21-5 |
| 03:13.22 | k-man | or maybe 0-5,21-23 ? |
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| 03:14.31 | k-man | ah yeah, you can do that |
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| 03:19.36 | mns | A friend of mine wants to switch to Linux. His laptop has ATI Radeon X300 for graphics, a Broadcomm ethernet port and Intel wireless. I am pretty sure Wheezy will be able to support this. Or am I wrong ? |
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| 03:20.21 | SkilZ | How to disable caps lock key? |
| 03:20.49 | dak221 | i usually remove the key |
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| 03:21.30 | dak221 | mns: checkout www.linux-laptop.net and find the laptop model there |
| 03:21.39 | mns | SkilZ: use xkeycaps or ~/.xmodmaprc |
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| 03:21.48 | mns | dak221: thanks. |
| 03:22.04 | SkilZ | xkeycaps |
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| 03:23.24 | OldParr | zykotick9: i launched the command from a root terminal ---> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev ---> and it caused a few errors ----> http://paste.debian.net/127080/ |
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| 03:23.59 | SkilZ | mns: Thanks |
| 03:24.27 | OldParr | i changed all instances of string "lenny" with string "squeeze" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:25.26 | zykotick9 | OldParr, 1) you where suppose to remove volatile 2) do you have another package manager open? |
| 03:26.09 | OldParr | what do you mean to remove volatile ? |
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| 03:26.19 | zykotick9 | OldParr, 3) also some of those 3rd party repos may give you problem |
| 03:26.19 | dak221 | hi, im having trouble with Java in iceweasel on debian6, i have installed both non-free and free java http://pastebin.com/fMShE5sZ |
| 03:26.42 | zykotick9 | OldParr, the sources lines with volatile should be commented out |
| 03:26.43 | OldParr | i will erase those third party repos |
| 03:28.26 | OldParr | should i eliminate the repos that contain the word "volatile" ? |
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| 03:29.29 | zykotick9 | OldParr, yes, they have basically been renamed for squeeze |
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| 03:35.59 | Rusty1 | dak221: there is a sun-java6-plugin package? |
| 03:36.10 | OldParr | zykotick9: errors ----> http://paste.debian.net/127081/ |
| 03:36.37 | dak221 | Rusty1, thanks, installing it now |
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| 03:38.13 | dak221 | Rusty1, thanks that worked |
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| 03:39.45 | zykotick9 | OldParr, could you do me a favour? could you run "export LANG=C" then run your same command again (this should switch the language to english for me) then re-paste it. |
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| 03:44.51 | OldParr | export LANG=C --------> http://paste.debian.net/127082/ |
| 03:45.07 | OldParr | zykotick9: export LANG=C --------> http://paste.debian.net/127082/ |
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| 03:49.02 | catsup | does anyone know why there are libraries in /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/ ? what is that dir about |
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| 03:50.51 | zykotick9 | OldParr, thanks for the export to english. Regarding the missing GPG keys I'd try running "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring" and see if that fixes those errors. Seems there are still some issues with your sources.list file - could you pastebin it as well. |
| 03:51.03 | Rusty1 | catatonic: google sez http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=56732 |
| 03:51.36 | Rusty1 | er catsup |
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| 03:54.00 | OldParr | zykotick9: troubles -------> http://paste.debian.net/127085/ |
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| 03:56.00 | zykotick9 | OldParr, ahhh. Those appear to all be mono packages - but I don't like the looks of this! I think perhaps I'm in over my head at this point. |
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| 03:57.56 | OldParr | zykotick9: this is what i like the most of debian |
| 03:58.09 | zykotick9 | OldParr, ? |
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| 03:59.56 | zykotick9 | OldParr, try just "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring" |
| 04:00.06 | OldParr | zykotick9: thanks |
| 04:00.12 | OldParr | i will try tahat |
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| 04:01.21 | OldParr | trouble ----> http://paste.debian.net/127087/ |
| 04:02.54 | zykotick9 | OldParr, sorry - i don't know why adding that keyring want to remove all that mono stuff. I also don't know it will solve the origional GPG missing errors your getting, so it could be for nothing. Sorry man, I don't think I can help with this? |
| 04:03.28 | OldParr | zykotick9: this is what i like of debian |
| 04:04.42 | OldParr | zykotick9: thanks you were very helpful |
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| 04:05.01 | zykotick9 | OldParr, well, not "really" but best of luck. |
| 04:05.16 | rypervenche | I totally didn't see the sarcasm at first >< |
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| 04:08.08 | OldParr | zykotick9: what is a keyring ? |
| 04:09.05 | zykotick9 | OldParr, overly simplified - it is the security check used by repositories |
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| 04:13.24 | OldParr | zykotick9: why a security check , what are they triying to secure ? |
| 04:14.20 | zykotick9 | OldParr, verify that what you are installing is actually from Debian (or other source), and hasn't been modified/tampered with. |
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| 04:16.37 | OldParr | zykotick9: to protect us from bad software .. |
| 04:17.01 | zykotick9 | OldParr, correct |
| 04:17.25 | akerl | looks dubiously at his arch install :p |
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| 04:20.04 | OldParr | zykotick9: thanks have a nice day or night |
| 04:20.40 | zykotick9 | OldParr, good luck - sorry about my fail |
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| 04:30.27 | iluminator101 | Hey guys i get this error on my laptop and i tried everything to fix it with no luck thanks in advance http://paste.pocoo.org/show/462804/ |
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| 04:45.36 | zykotick9 | iluminator101, i just want to point out that your paste contains: 2 debian releases squeeze and wheezy; and 2 ubuntu releases lucid and maverick. I doubt anyone would want to touch that with a 30 foot pole. |
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| 04:46.47 | iluminator101 | zykotick9, i use pinning; |
| 04:46.58 | akerl | iluminator101: And I use Old Spice. |
| 04:47.13 | iluminator101 | lol |
| 04:47.24 | akerl | Mixing repos like that is pretty much the easiest way to kill a working system |
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| 04:52.10 | iluminator101 | akerl, i had no problems until now...all those other repos are always deflated unless i need something |
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| 04:52.59 | wols | iluminator101: your debian is sill utterly broken by now |
| 04:53.04 | akerl | ^ that |
| 04:53.16 | iluminator101 | wols no no no |
| 04:53.21 | akerl | More to the point, you've tried "everything"? <-- not very descriptive |
| 04:53.36 | akerl | Since in my book, everything includes rebuilding the system |
| 04:53.42 | iluminator101 | how do i remove all keys and install them again |
| 04:54.01 | wols | iluminator101: put in a debian netinst ISO and start from scratch |
| 04:54.29 | wols | iluminator101: short point: we don't support frankendebian which mixes everything |
| 04:54.31 | iluminator101 | cant do that thats absolutely out of the question |
| 04:54.32 | nathwill | doesn't apt-get have --no-gpg-check flag? |
| 04:54.34 | akerl | Then good luck |
| 04:54.39 | akerl | nathwill: sssh! |
| 04:54.49 | nathwill | and doesn't dpkg have a get-key option? |
| 04:55.05 | nathwill | i think this calls for some swift scroogling |
| 04:55.08 | akerl | nathwill: He already tried those |
| 04:55.42 | iluminator101 | debian-multimedia-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 04:55.48 | nathwill | well that would be included in "everything" wouldn't it |
| 04:55.53 | akerl | Indeed |
| 04:56.06 | iluminator101 | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 04:56.19 | akerl | Thanks, I couldn't read that the first time |
| 04:56.22 | nathwill | iluminator... http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/05/apt-get-update-how-to-solve-no-public-key-available/ ?? |
| 04:56.28 | nathwill | maaaaybe? |
| 04:56.36 | akerl | iluminator101: Something is broken. Either actually try something, or find a corner to cry in |
| 04:56.55 | nathwill | though i admit that the fdisk-format-reinstall song has a certain allure |
| 04:57.17 | akerl | The real solution is to not run franken-debian, especially on a system which needs 100% uptime. |
| 04:57.22 | nathwill | simple gpg issues on a non-core repo i would hardly consider a nuke-n-pave issue |
| 04:57.26 | Dewi | iluminator101: got debian-multimedia-keyring? |
| 04:57.33 | nathwill | snicker... franken-debian |
| 04:57.40 | iluminator101 | akerl, lol |
| 04:58.10 | nathwill | anyways... dinner. good luck iluminator, and a good day to the rest |
| 04:58.11 | Dewi | akerl: shrug, debian multimedia shouldn't fail |
| 04:58.17 | IdleOne | there is no way you can maintain a system with packages from 2 different distros and 4 releases. dependency hell would be putting it lightly. |
| 04:58.30 | Dewi | IdleOne: that isn't the question though |
| 04:58.38 | akerl | Dewi: Did you look at his paste? |
| 04:58.54 | IdleOne | Dewi: the question is irrelevant. |
| 04:59.02 | IdleOne | the system is fubar |
| 04:59.22 | Dewi | sources list != system |
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| 04:59.44 | akerl | Dewi: Then you slow walk him to his solution. I don't put gas in a totalled car. |
| 05:03.47 | iluminator101 | fixed it just commented out those repos |
| 05:04.02 | akerl | We have very different definitions of "fixed" :/ |
| 05:04.12 | IdleOne | shot the horse to stop the infection |
| 05:04.17 | Dewi | sigh |
| 05:04.40 | Dewi | so guys if I add some bad sources and then remove them again my system is "broken"? of course it isn't |
| 05:05.18 | Dewi | I hope every one of you is running 100% debian stable :P |
| 05:05.40 | akerl | Dewi: If you installed a bunch of crap from them, then yes |
| 05:05.57 | IdleOne | actually I run Ubuntu+1 and what dewi said :) |
| 05:06.04 | IdleOne | err akerl * |
| 05:06.17 | Dewi | anyway fanning the flames is the opposite of my point, which is stop repeating yourselves, it's counterproductive after a point |
| 05:06.18 | akerl | If your system is held together with pinning from 4 different repos, and you solve a problem by commenting out 3 of them, you're asking for pain |
| 05:06.39 | IdleOne | Dewi: you are right, apologies. |
| 05:07.06 | akerl | It's very productive. I'm hoping to convince him to go back and figure out the actual problem rather than leave his system as is |
| 05:07.47 | iluminator101 | i should switch this to sid...i been running sid in my other machine with no problems |
| 05:07.58 | Dewi | yeah, all I would say is that just because you're not aware of a problem now, doesn't mean everything okay. |
| 05:08.35 | Dewi | iluminator101: that would still be frequently broken, but better than frankendebian |
| 05:08.59 | akerl | iluminator101: What is the function of this computer? |
| 05:09.19 | Dewi | iluminator101: if reinstalling is "out of the question" you really should stick to a supported distro |
| 05:09.40 | iluminator101 | mainly just word processing and internet this is my main pc.....i have a bed of testing machines |
| 05:10.00 | akerl | ? |
| 05:10.05 | akerl | So why can't you rebuild it |
| 05:10.21 | akerl | assumed that this was a server |
| 05:10.42 | Dewi | I mean if you constantly need everything to be 6-12 months newer than debian stable, gooing to ubuntu makes more sense than expecting sid never to break |
| 05:10.48 | iluminator101 | its fine now...i will keep this in testing....sid might do something crazy when i need it most |
| 05:10.54 | Dewi | or even testingfor that matter |
| 05:11.13 | iluminator101 | Dewi, i am running testing |
| 05:11.15 | Dewi | (and I mean a clean install of actual ubuntu) |
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| 05:11.34 | akerl | iluminator101: Question: If your packages needed 4 repos and pinning, and you commented out 3 of them, how will you update your packages? |
| 05:11.35 | iluminator101 | ubuntu is loaded with crap |
| 05:11.59 | jmarsden | This is #debian. Ubuntu is off topic here. |
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| 05:12.33 | akerl | jmarsden: He's running a frankendebian box. His debian and ubuntu are making a lovechild. |
| 05:12.44 | jmarsden | That's still off topic here. |
| 05:12.47 | jmarsden | !based on debian |
| 05:12.48 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 05:13.25 | Dewi | jmarsden: yes, exactly, but at least it would be supported somewhere |
| 05:13.30 | iluminator101 | has anyone installed debian in hp touchpad |
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| 05:18.05 | qmr | hi, how the FSCK do I get rid of all these stupid âspecial characters in my terminals? I thought I reset and rebuilt my charset to us, but apparently not |
| 05:18.41 | sauvin | Kinda depends on how you're getting them. |
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| 05:21.24 | qmr | ?? |
| 05:21.59 | akerl | qmr: The first step towards removing something is figuring out how it got there in the first place |
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| 05:22.41 | qmr | well the server was set up iwth en_GB before. which is pretty damn stupid considering my address and CC are in .us ... |
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| 05:23.47 | akerl | What does debian know about your credit card for? |
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| 05:25.39 | qmr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.49 | qmr | the service provider I'm renting the server from knows about my credit card |
| 05:25.55 | akerl | So? |
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| 05:26.15 | qmr | right, fuckoff, you're on ignore now. |
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| 05:26.55 | qmr | I did dpkg-reconfigure for locale settings, still have the funny characters though |
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| 05:29.41 | jokar | all: |
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| 05:29.52 | jokar | what is haskell programming language? |
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| 05:30.51 | jokar | What is good for? |
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| 05:32.01 | Bushmills | darcs, for example, is written in it |
| 05:32.26 | Bushmills | so is xmonad |
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| 05:33.06 | mosno | jokar, http://learnyouahaskell.com/ |
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| 05:34.30 | me-1 | hi... I have downloaded "LibO_3.4.2_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar" on desktop . how to isntall libre office...? |
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| 05:35.38 | mosno | me-1, did you check backports first? |
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| 05:36.53 | Bushmills | ,versions libreoffice |
| 05:36.54 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.3-4+b1; sid: 1:3.3.4-1; experimental: 1:3.4.2-2 |
| 05:37.12 | me-1 | mosno, my connection is slow so i used my friends windows pc to download and put it in flash drive and paste it on my debian desktop |
| 05:37.37 | mosno | me-1, and? |
| 05:38.13 | me-1 | mosno, and i need help how to install it now |
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| 05:38.17 | mosno | me-1, i believe there are tools that let you do a similar thing for debs and their dependencies... check out the admin section of the debian archive |
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| 05:38.44 | mosno | me-1, i don't recommend installing from tarball, but if you insist, there are probably instructions on libreoffice's website or in the tarball itself |
| 05:40.26 | daniel-s | does anyone here use blogger |
| 05:40.35 | daniel-s | I have found that it doesn't work in Iceweasel |
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| 05:40.50 | daniel-s | also in chromium (the version in squeeze) |
| 05:40.57 | daniel-s | I cannot post |
| 05:41.12 | boudiccas | daniel-s; blogger? or blogilo ?? |
| 05:41.15 | me-1 | mosno, i dont see any help in libre office website . i think i should un-tar it and then dpkg -i |
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| 05:42.21 | mosno | me-1, assuming there's a valid deb file inside the tar and you trust that it is packaged correctly, sure |
| 05:42.53 | boudiccas | me-1; untar and then sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
| 05:43.54 | me-1 | boudiccas, how do i untar |
| 05:44.07 | boudiccas | me-1; use ark |
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| 05:44.29 | daniel-s | boudiccas: blogger.com |
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| 05:44.47 | daniel-s | have there been other people complaining about the same thing |
| 05:44.50 | boudiccas | daniel-s; ah right, i use blogilo with livejournal |
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| 05:46.15 | me-1 | thank you guyz |
| 05:46.29 | boudiccas | me-1; i'm not aguy |
| 05:46.40 | boudiccas | me-1; i'm female |
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| 05:48.21 | me-1 | boudiccas, thank you miss . i decided to use info at your blog I wish you could eleborate it more for new users like me |
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| 05:49.35 | boudiccas | me-1; you mean here ........ http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html ? it is simple as i've explained it there |
| 05:50.14 | me-1 | ya at 9th june |
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| 05:50.23 | boudiccas | me-1; yes, thast the baby |
| 05:51.26 | me-1 | boudiccas, but you never mentioned untaring it |
| 05:51.40 | mosno | <boudiccas> me-1; untar and then sudo dpkg -i *.deb |
| 05:52.34 | me-1 | thats the problem i dont know how to untar |
| 05:53.42 | boudiccas | me-1; i've just told you, use ark |
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| 05:54.07 | boudiccas | me-1; then you can extract it to wherever you want |
| 05:54.26 | me-1 | do i need to install ark |
| 05:54.45 | boudiccas | me-1; i dont know, do you have it on your system? |
| 05:56.26 | me-1 | i will install it |
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| 05:57.08 | me-1 | can i ask why Linux people are shy of install app from ther than repos..? |
| 05:57.22 | me-1 | other |
| 05:58.01 | akerl | me-1: shy isn't the word you want |
| 05:58.21 | boudiccas | me-1; it breaks the system integrity and can lead to other problems with incompatible files and dependency hell |
| 05:58.36 | akerl | Package managers exist for a reason. If you install something manually, you have to be responsible for keeping it updated |
| 05:59.50 | me-1 | but where there is no other solution , some of me friends do not a internet connection att all . they can download a .deb file and manually install it |
| 06:00.01 | mosno | me-1, take a look at Debian Policy |
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| 06:00.21 | akerl | me-1: Then go for it |
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| 06:00.29 | me-1 | i know is better for stability |
| 06:01.29 | akerl | The reason that most debian users stick to the debian repos is because it's the best thing the majority of the time. When it's not, you're responsible for what you do to your system |
| 06:02.16 | qmr | Ok, I have fscked up characters when I'm "inside" a screen, but not when I am outside ... |
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| 06:13.03 | simonlnu | qmr: probably unicode stuffs... run your screen with unicode enabled |
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| 06:15.19 | zambaboo | hi all |
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| 06:15.57 | mosno | oh, he's gone. i was going to suggest http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/apt-offline for next time |
| 06:16.07 | zambaboo | running dpkg-rebuildpackage inside the kernel package. one particular module that i need is listed in .config but does not get built. how do i make sure it gets built? |
| 06:18.08 | wols | why not use kernel-package instead? |
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| 06:18.24 | zambaboo | does kernel-package build the udebs? |
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| 06:18.55 | wols | no, just kernel .debs. not for the installer |
| 06:19.02 | zambaboo | i need the udebs, yeah |
| 06:19.16 | zambaboo | the whole reason im doing this are the udebs |
| 06:19.21 | wols | any special reason you rebuild the installer kernel? maybe there is another way? |
| 06:19.30 | zambaboo | no, there is not, unfortunately. |
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| 06:19.50 | zambaboo | i need the ixgbe driver in the netboot, and i need it in there properly |
| 06:20.07 | wols | check if the .cnfig your make actually uses is the right one with right settings? |
| 06:20.17 | wols | e.g. is it a dpkg error or a kernel make system one |
| 06:20.47 | zambaboo | is there not some magical debian config file that controls which modules get built? |
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| 06:21.26 | wols | why? the kernel has its own config file which controls that. debian supplies the proper .config (same for all arches normally) and lets the kernel make do its stuff |
| 06:21.52 | zambaboo | thats good to know. so if the ones i find in debian dir are configured properly, this thing should work |
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| 06:22.44 | streuner__ | dpkg, 82599 |
| 06:22.45 | dpkg | ixgbe is a driver for Intel 10 gigabit PCI Express Ethernet controllers (82598, 82598EB, 82599EB, 82599ES), added to mainline at Linux 2.6.24. Support for the 82599EB 10 Gigabit TN (PCI ID 8086:151c) was added at Linux 2.6.35; for device support at Debian installation time, ask me about <kmuto> -- device support in squeeze kernels is an important Debian bug (#609191). |
| 06:22.56 | streuner__ | dpkg, dbug 609191 |
| 06:22.57 | dpkg | streuner__: i haven't a clue |
| 06:23.06 | streuner__ | dpkg, dbugs 609191 |
| 06:23.13 | dpkg | #609191:I[linux-2.6] Intel 82599EB 10 Gigabit TN not supported (); Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:21:04 UTC [] |
| 06:23.33 | streuner__ | zambaboo: you are talking about this bug ^^^? |
| 06:24.13 | zambaboo | streuner__, i am not sure at this point. this is a debian bug. i am working with a derivative here. the kernel version i am building is 2.6.38-10. |
| 06:24.44 | wols | then best ask the derivative folks. we only support debian here |
| 06:24.47 | streuner__ | zambaboo: hm, what distro do you use? |
| 06:25.00 | zambaboo | ubuntu lucid-10.04.3 |
| 06:25.12 | streuner__ | zambaboo: please ask in #ubuntu then. |
| 06:25.23 | zambaboo | right-o. thanks for the pointers, folks. |
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| 06:31.54 | SkilZ | Any way to make the mouse curser smaller? |
| 06:33.18 | simonlnu | 'cursor'. yes, use another cursor, and/or change the size. |
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| 06:33.47 | simonlnu | a curser would be someone like me, who swears a lot ;p (or did) |
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| 06:39.12 | simonlnu | you can also mod your ~/.Xresources like: Xcursor.size: 24pt (or smaller) |
| 06:41.02 | RainbowW | trying to dump data to a new raid6 array. after dumping a few hundred megs of data, the system hard locks (hdd light on, caps lock doesn't move, reset button doesn't work). log looks like this, from mounting the array to the crash: http://pastebin.com/kvan4m7R ... Google indicates that turning transaction barriers off is not desirable for RAID. suggestions? |
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| 06:42.54 | jokar | all: |
| 06:43.20 | simonlnu | RainbowW: OT: when you due? congrats, BTW |
| 06:43.42 | jokar | if i use cryptsetup for encrypte my External HDD,can i use my hdd in windows? |
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| 06:43.52 | RainbowW | simonlnu, OF COURSE right around finals |
| 06:44.01 | simonlnu | probably not... |
| 06:44.07 | simonlnu | RainbowW: heh |
| 06:44.18 | simonlnu | jokar: probably not... |
| 06:44.24 | SkilZ | is $execi 300 program is the 300 man update 300 minutes? |
| 06:44.28 | RainbowW | jokar, i'd bet an interesting amount of money that you can't. :) |
| 06:44.32 | SkilZ | s/man/mean |
| 06:44.59 | jokar | RainbowW: ::) |
| 06:45.00 | simonlnu | SkilZ: EPARSE |
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| 06:45.16 | SkilZ | Let me rephrase, Does the '300' in '$execi 300 command' stand for update every 300 minutes? |
| 06:45.20 | jokar | RainbowW: can you show me tools that work under linux and windows? |
| 06:45.25 | Slydder1 | hey all. anyone here remember logsentry and hostsentry? I am now using logwatch instead of logsentry/logcheck but what about hostsentry? anyone got any ideas there? fail2ban maybe or is there something better? |
| 06:45.31 | SkilZ | simonlnu: Whats EPARSE? |
| 06:45.42 | simonlnu | SkilZ: context? |
| 06:45.48 | simonlnu | error in parsing |
| 06:46.00 | SkilZ | sorry? |
| 06:46.09 | SkilZ | I'll show you waht im trying to do |
| 06:46.21 | simonlnu | where are you getting this $execi from? |
| 06:46.24 | RainbowW | jokar, no. that's for you to google, since i don't have a real use for disk encryption. |
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| 06:46.37 | SkilZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.46 | jokar | thanks |
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| 06:47.10 | SkilZ | Its a weather forcast script, I would like to control the update interval |
| 06:47.30 | simonlnu | probably 500 seconds |
| 06:47.33 | anomaly | looks like conky.. |
| 06:47.36 | anomaly | in that case, seconds. |
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| 06:48.08 | wols | SkilZ: you know about cron jobs, right? |
| 06:48.13 | SkilZ | anomaly: Yes |
| 06:48.16 | SkilZ | wols: Nope |
| 06:48.23 | wols | !cron |
| 06:48.23 | dpkg | i heard cron is a daemon allowing programs to be run at predefined intervals as specific users. To read how to specify a job to run "man 5 crontab". To see your crontab "crontab -l". To edit it "crontab -e". System wide crontabs are /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d, and /etc/cron.* are directories have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab. Also ask me about <crontab>, <cron tutorial> and <run-parts>. |
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| 06:48.41 | SkilZ | So say I want it to run every 2 hours?? |
| 06:48.52 | simonlnu | 'forecast' |
| 06:49.06 | RainbowW | SkilZ, cron is your friend. all good admins are LAZY. they write scripts to do the boring shit so they don't have to do it themselves. learn to be properly lazy and you will go far. |
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| 06:49.30 | SkilZ | RainbowW: :) |
| 06:49.41 | wols | jokar: truecrypt does |
| 06:49.48 | anomaly | cron and conky are apples and oranges. it is seconds.. do the math for the seconds. |
| 06:50.02 | jokar | wols: thanks wols |
| 06:50.16 | RainbowW | monitoring my raid array? why do i want to do that myself? why not just let the computer do it and email me the results? that kind of thing. |
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| 06:51.55 | SkilZ | So ${execi INTERVAL is in seconds not minutes? |
| 06:52.02 | anomaly | dude.. |
| 06:52.05 | anomaly | rtfm.. |
| 06:52.15 | SkilZ | What fm? |
| 06:52.31 | SkilZ | I can't see any fm |
| 06:52.42 | RainbowW | !tell SkilZ about giyf |
| 06:52.45 | anomaly | it is a matter of looking up the conky howto, where it tells you what each flag in the conf means |
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| 06:53.32 | anomaly | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=conkyrc+variables |
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| 06:54.18 | RainbowW | <snort> |
| 06:54.41 | simonlnu | /nick NoSkilZ |
| 06:55.27 | niklaswe | how can i change from EEST to CEST ? |
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| 06:56.17 | SkilZ | Don't insult/abuse me because I asked a guestion here I could not find in google, It takes about execi and what it does but does NOT go into detail about is the update_interval is in seconds, minutes, hours, weeks. That is why I asked. Sheeh |
| 06:56.53 | mrintegrity | Does anyone here run a foswiki server? i am trying to discover the hardware requirements for a setup with like ~20 concurrent users but there is no documentation ican find fo rthat |
| 06:57.26 | simonlnu | well, google doesn't always answer things. you also have to feed it good info to accomplish a better search. AKA google-fu. |
| 06:57.38 | anomaly | SkilZ I did not insult/abuse you because you asked a question. I answered it, politely, then when you asked again. |
| 06:57.40 | pbase | mrintegrity: hasn't it got to do with the apache configuration? |
| 06:57.45 | simonlnu | starting with the manual is helpful too |
| 06:58.13 | mrintegrity | pbase: hmm guess so.. it's coded in perl i think but obviously runs apache at the front. depends how heavy the perl stuff is :) |
| 06:58.22 | wols | mrintegrity: 20 requests per second or 20 users browsing and editing the site at the same time. if the latter any P3/athlon or later would do |
| 06:58.30 | mrintegrity | wols: 20 users |
| 06:58.35 | mrintegrity | cool |
| 06:58.46 | mrintegrity | i was thinking dual core (virtual) and 4GB ram |
| 06:58.57 | anomaly | would seem a bandwidth bottleneck before it is a cpu bottleneck :) |
| 06:58.59 | simonlnu | you come here with the expectation of being handheld you *will* get PALA-ed |
| 06:59.17 | mrintegrity | simonlnu: what are you talking about? |
| 06:59.21 | wols | !timezone |
| 06:59.21 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 06:59.29 | wols | niklaswe: ^^ |
| 06:59.31 | simonlnu | mrintegrity: not about your question |
| 06:59.32 | Shadur | SkilZ: man 5 crontab. It explains /exactly/ how to set up a job that'll run every other hour. |
| 06:59.35 | mrintegrity | ah :) |
| 06:59.39 | anomaly | mrintegrity I have run sites off a amd duron 800mhz/512mb and never had an issue with more hits than that :) |
| 06:59.50 | mrintegrity | anomaly: excellent thanks |
| 06:59.53 | SkilZ | Shadur: Thankyou |
| 06:59.56 | mrintegrity | anomaly: foswiki sites? |
| 07:00.13 | Shadur | SkilZ: People told you this already twenty minutes ago, mind. |
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| 07:00.43 | anomaly | mrintegrity my mistake then for not paying enough attention to know there is sql involved. 1.5ghz then heh |
| 07:00.55 | simonlnu | SkilZ: we're not going to do it for you. |
| 07:01.37 | zambaboo | jc on a stick, questions about cron? |
| 07:01.39 | anomaly | I ran a wiki, to learn more about it myself the other day. it was a 1.8ghz old intel and 1gb ddr 1. |
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| 07:02.42 | pbase | mrintegrity: why foswiki? is it a special purpose application? |
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| 07:03.10 | anomaly | I used mediawiki, btw, if it helps for more information, mrintegrity |
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| 07:03.52 | simonlnu | i've run twiki, mediawiki, moinmoin |
| 07:03.55 | pbase | there are hundreds of wiki web apps.. not sure what's advantage with foswiki |
| 07:04.04 | zambaboo | a dual core for 20 users? an overkill imo |
| 07:04.53 | wols | zambaboo: virtualized tho |
| 07:05.18 | zambaboo | wols, i ran virtualized |
| 07:05.30 | zambaboo | i still do, my dev and stage mediawiki sites are virtualized |
| 07:06.10 | zambaboo | prod is physical, but i have.. i dont know, anywhere from hundreds to thousands hits a day |
| 07:07.13 | pbase | I just updated the system and realised that the update manager works on one cpu thread at a time (2 cores with 2threads/core). shouldn't the apps be utilizing all available cpus threads instead of doing work in one.. I am not sure of the pros and cons. but if someone can enlighten it will be great |
| 07:07.19 | mrintegrity | pbase: it's popular, i used (end user) twiki before and liked it, it's "free software", well developed, targeted at enterprise users, etc. it ticks all the right boxes for me, so do some of the other ones but this one i think fits best |
| 07:07.26 | anomaly | zambaboo, what is the avg cpu/ram usage? out of curiosity for that. |
| 07:07.45 | zambaboo | anomaly, id have to check, hold on.. |
| 07:07.46 | mrintegrity | pbase: foswiki is a fork of twiki in case you didn't know |
| 07:08.30 | wols | pbase: it should not. apt is pretty much I/O bound so multithreading has no advantages |
| 07:08.35 | mrintegrity | one thing i would like is some webdave support but thats only available from a proprietary plugin :/ |
| 07:08.37 | jelly-home | pbase: apps need to be written for multithreading, it doesn't come for free |
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| 07:08.49 | mrintegrity | webdav* |
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| 07:18.38 | zambaboo | anomaly, about that cpu usage (chuckle) |
| 07:19.00 | anomaly | zambaboo, figured you got tied up.. heh |
| 07:19.37 | zambaboo | anomaly, nono, but anyways, its got sixteen cpus, as it turns out.. so.. lol |
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| 07:49.42 | sbarcteam | hi. |
| 07:49.57 | sbarcteam | what except dd can I use to backup only used part of a partition ? |
| 07:50.21 | wols | clonezilla for example. dd backups used and unused both |
| 07:50.24 | sbarcteam | or what flag can I give to dd to not backup empty space... |
| 07:50.33 | sbarcteam | ? |
| 07:50.46 | sbarcteam | wols: clonezilla must be booted into... right ? |
| 07:50.52 | sbarcteam | I want to stay up during this backup... |
| 07:51.19 | wols | backup |
| 07:51.23 | wols | !backup |
| 07:51.23 | dpkg | A backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t in the least. Otherwise eons of built-up data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not; either by HD malfunction, intentional evil by crackers, mischievous glak elves invading your system, or large magnets getting out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (optionally with bzip2 at lowest compression). See <things to backup>. |
| 07:51.39 | wols | :( thought it had recommendations |
| 07:51.55 | wols | the trouble with backing up a live system is the data can change while the backing up happens. which is bad |
| 07:52.09 | li | what's a glak elf |
| 07:52.11 | wols | partition backup a la dd or clonezilla is especially bad there |
| 07:52.27 | sbarcteam | li: they're something between dark and light :) |
| 07:52.50 | sbarcteam | actually, it's better to write "gremlins", IMHO. |
| 07:52.54 | sbarcteam | they're more abundant. |
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| 07:53.52 | jelly-home | !glak elf |
| 07:53.56 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 07:54.00 | sbarcteam | :) |
| 07:54.06 | sbarcteam | jelly-home: try !gremlins |
| 07:54.12 | jelly-home | no u |
| 07:54.17 | sbarcteam | !gremlin |
| 07:54.19 | bzed | sbarcteam: partimage works well. but whatever you use, you need to boot into a live system or something similar if you want to make a dd-like dump of your disk. |
| 07:54.20 | sbarcteam | !gremlins |
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| 07:54.51 | bzed | sbarcteam: or use rsync or similar tools to create a backup (depends on what you want to backup of course) |
| 07:55.47 | sbarcteam | basically, somebody created a bad partition layout on my harddisk (before me). |
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| 07:56.32 | sbarcteam | because of time constraints I didn't have time to plan good partitioning, so I had to use the remaining few gigabytes to setup the system and start working. now I am exceeding those few, and need to repartition the disk. |
| 07:57.08 | sbarcteam | I am considering to only backup with tar a few folders. but that would be a bit more tedious. |
| 07:57.24 | babilen | !things to backup |
| 07:57.25 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
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| 07:58.07 | babilen | sbarcteam: This is very hard to answer without knowing your system though |
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| 07:58.12 | sbarcteam | babilen: whassup :) |
| 07:58.52 | sbarcteam | I'll manage, I was just hoping there some magic super-tool to resolve all my problems around. but I guess script of tarring it is then. |
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| 07:59.30 | babilen | sbarcteam: As you want to create backups anyway, I recommend to setup dirvish with a vault for root (as in the example) and /home (if it is on another filesystem) |
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| 08:00.39 | bzed | sbarcteam: or if you plan to backup more machines or you want to do regular backups - get some machien with enough disk space and use a tool like backuppc |
| 08:01.04 | babilen | sbarcteam: There are plenty of backup tools though (backppc, rsnapshot, amanda, ..) |
| 08:01.30 | sbarcteam | yep. |
| 08:02.14 | sbarcteam | bzed: I am satisfied with packages list, and /etc + /home backups. |
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| 08:02.29 | sbarcteam | I have local apt mirror, so most packages come up sweetly and swiftly. |
| 08:02.40 | babilen | !tell sbarcteam -about aptitude clone |
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| 08:07.47 | peterrooney | sbarcteam: no backup tool can save you from the task of defining what you want to back up. |
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| 08:12.18 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 08:12.29 | mah454 | I have problem with QEMU : http://pastebin.com/miBc2wg4 |
| 08:12.45 | jelly-home | mah454: which debian release are you using? |
| 08:13.25 | mah454 | jelly-home my os is Debian 64-bit |
| 08:13.36 | mah454 | jelly-home my os is Debian 64-bit (squeeze) |
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| 08:13.58 | jelly-home | mah454: what does "lsb_release -sc" say |
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| 08:15.05 | sbarcteam | peterrooney: thank you for your feedback. |
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| 08:22.18 | jelly-home | one can keep it simple and backup _everything_ |
| 08:22.24 | jelly-home | problem solved |
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| 08:23.13 | wols | jelly-home: expensive too :) |
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| 08:43.28 | lol37 | hi |
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| 08:44.44 | jelly-home | wols: really? $100 for a 2TB device |
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| 08:45.19 | jelly-home | if your data is worth less than $100, don't back it up |
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| 08:46.14 | trnzmeta | so $100 buys about 1T, does that mean I only back up things that are over 1T? |
| 08:46.25 | Odaym | I paid $90 for an external 1TB drive about..1.5 years ago |
| 08:46.40 | wols | jelly-home: $80 |
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| 08:47.10 | jelly-home | way to miss the point |
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| 08:47.11 | wols | and my data is worth (to me) more than $80, but it'S far less than the 2TB, even when I do have a 2TB disk |
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| 08:49.17 | Odaym | why don't women have man pages... |
| 08:49.28 | willem | After an upgrade my local cabal packages seem to have gotten deregistered i.e. they are still in my .cabal folder but ghc-pkg list don't list them. I'm running testing. |
| 08:49.42 | willem | Is this a known problem? |
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| 09:00.02 | asdjaputra | #join #ubuntu-bots |
| 09:00.12 | asdjaputra | whoop |
| 09:00.14 | IdleOne | / |
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| 09:04.20 | asdjaputra | yep sorry bout that |
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| 09:18.41 | forero | C dissasembler? |
| 09:20.21 | lol37 | ? |
| 09:20.30 | lol37 | it isn't possible |
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| 09:21.46 | simonlnu | uh, yes. but can be difficult |
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| 09:22.29 | Odaym | I'm sure it's possible |
| 09:23.02 | lol37 | you can't reproduce exactly the source code of a program written in C |
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| 09:23.23 | Odaym | why not? |
| 09:23.36 | SkilZ | How to open nano file to line 32? |
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| 09:24.12 | lol37 | 0daym : if yes, tell me how :D |
| 09:24.36 | Odaym | no it's not a challenge, I sincerely want to know |
| 09:24.38 | Odaym | why not? |
| 09:25.21 | Odaym | and forero, you really ought to ask that question in #C |
| 09:25.57 | Odaym | but we're going to go ahead and pursue this off-topic question at our own leisure :P |
| 09:27.07 | simonlnu | no you can't, but you can come close |
| 09:28.15 | themill | makes SkilZ look at man nano |
| 09:28.27 | lol37 | and why 32 |
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| 09:34.17 | cace | hi guys, i had a disk fail in my md, and after i replaced it i did a resync, but now if i do a mdadm --details /dev/md0 it shows as failed, do i have to tell md that i have replaced it or has the disk failed again?! |
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| 09:34.45 | simonlnu | re-add it |
| 09:36.03 | cace | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:38.53 | jelly | SkilZ: most editors allow a syntax like nano +32 filename |
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| 09:41.51 | EyesIsMine | It appears that the root file system is corrupted. |
| 09:42.09 | Iridos | is there some recommended/simple way to install chromium extensions into the chromium from squeeze? They all come from the google apps store and that detects debians chromium as "too old" and greys out the install button |
| 09:42.27 | EyesIsMine | I had to hard reset it, due to the X server was locked up and I couldn't login via Ctrl+F1 terminal |
| 09:42.39 | EyesIsMine | Any ideas? I'm running a manual fsck |
| 09:42.45 | Iridos | once, I've gotten the extension from the website and installed it after download there, but that's pretty tedious |
| 09:43.50 | Iridos | EyesIsMine, you (probably) could have still logged in via ssh... and fsck is it... what file system was it? Also: check your backups :-P |
| 09:44.06 | EyesIsMine | Iridos, nope, because the auto fsck failed |
| 09:44.31 | EyesIsMine | And doing Ctrl+F1 and looging as my user (eyes) hanged |
| 09:44.39 | EyesIsMine | It's ext3 filesystem |
| 09:44.58 | EyesIsMine | The auto-fsck tried to fix /var/run/ConsoleKit |
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| 09:45.25 | EyesIsMine | Then /dev/sda1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
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| 09:46.32 | Iridos | well, backups |
| 09:47.14 | EyesIsMine | Okay, fsck tried to fix it |
| 09:47.26 | EyesIsMine | I Ctrl+D'ed it, and it's rebooting |
| 09:50.22 | EyesIsMine | Is /var/run/ConsoleKit important |
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| 09:54.06 | jpinx | beardy: I did all the kernel upgrade etc and still don't get connection sharing , no ping by Domain or by IP so probably not a dns issue and the errr is just " network not reachable" |
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| 09:55.07 | berarma | jpinx: are you trying to share connection from Debian? |
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| 09:55.54 | Iridos | EyesIsMine, it's a directory with one file "database" in it on my system... which seems to have info on the current session including PID |
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| 09:56.11 | EyesIsMine | Well FSCK called it corrupt earlier |
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| 09:57.02 | jpinx | berarma: yes - squeze in an eeepc with usb connection to noki n900 using gprs |
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| 09:59.08 | berarma | jpinx: do you want IP forwarding? |
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| 09:59.47 | jpinx | berarma: I really don't care how it works as long as I can connect direct with the eeepc and use aptitude ;) |
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| 10:00.43 | berarma | jpinx: ah, you want to connect from the eeepc thru the nokia |
| 10:01.00 | jpinx | berarma: yes |
| 10:01.24 | berarma | jpinx: sorry, I can't help |
| 10:01.28 | jpinx | I followed the various how-to's and added the kernel upgrade and itables |
| 10:01.36 | jpinx | berarma: ok - thanks |
| 10:02.00 | discozohan | Hello! Need some help - "df -hHT" shows "/dev/mapper/system-www ext4 4,3G 1,9G 2,2G 47% /data/www", but i can't create in /data/www/ any file, because it says, that there is no more space left |
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| 10:02.06 | discozohan | whats the problem ? |
| 10:02.25 | discozohan | i really can't get |
| 10:02.25 | jpinx | discozohan: man du |
| 10:02.58 | discozohan | jpinx: "du -sh /data/www" shows "1,7G/data/www" |
| 10:03.02 | jpinx | discozohan: look for --max-depth option and see what is actuially using the space |
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| 10:03.08 | discozohan | jpinx: k |
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| 10:07.50 | discozohan | jpinx: ok, i freed some space, now its ok, but i still can't get - why i was unable to create any file, if "df" showed, that there is free space ? |
| 10:08.25 | lyte_ | discozohan: might have been out of inodes |
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| 10:12.01 | discozohan | lyte_: it seems you are right, thanks |
| 10:12.58 | jpinx | discozohan: too many files and dir -- not necessarily too big |
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| 10:14.07 | Odaym | forero, http://boomerang.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:14.08 | Odaym | try that |
| 10:14.11 | KurinPawpad | Hi everyone, got a slight problem. For some reason it takes FOREVER (well, around 6-10 seconds) for DNS to resolve. What could be causing this and how do I resolve it? |
| 10:14.30 | Odaym | disassembler |
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| 10:15.33 | KurinPawpad | preferrably I'd like to cache DNS queries for at least a half hour, possibly more |
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| 10:24.22 | petemc | KurinPawpad: probably your dns server, try using a different one likes 8.8.8.8 |
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| 10:25.01 | petemc | its easy to run a local caching name server |
| 10:25.06 | Iridos | KurinPawpad, 1st dns failing and going to 2nd one? Or your DNS does answer but is just slow in doing so |
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| 10:26.55 | KurinPawpad | I was using 4.2.2.1, changed to 8.8.8.8 ( Which if I recall is google's secondary, right?) And how would I go about setting that up, petemc? |
| 10:27.16 | petemc | KurinPawpad: so its slow even using googles? |
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| 10:28.39 | KurinPawpad | Yes, just tried 8.8.8.8 and it did the same thing. Sometimes it even is slow looking up a domain it just looked up a little bit ago |
| 10:29.00 | petemc | KurinPawpad: in /etc/nsswitch.conf , what does it say after hosts: ? |
| 10:29.22 | KurinPawpad | files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 10:29.37 | masterkorp | hello, what happened to dh_make command ? |
| 10:29.57 | masterkorp | i installed dpkg-dev and isn't there |
| 10:30.23 | masterkorp | did it moved ? did the tool became deprecated ? |
| 10:30.34 | themill | masterkorp: it's not in that package |
| 10:31.19 | masterkorp | themill: hmm, can you tell me in what package is ? |
| 10:31.45 | themill | dpkg: tell masterkorp about search |
| 10:31.55 | themill | masterkorp: both apt-cache and apt-file can answer that question for you. |
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| 10:32.19 | masterkorp | themill: ofc i searched with apt-cache search -.- |
| 10:32.36 | themill | not very well... "apt-cache search dh_make" |
| 10:32.44 | petemc | KurinPawpad: try changing to "files dns" , see if that improves the speed |
| 10:33.35 | KurinPawpad | seems to be about the same. |
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| 10:37.39 | simonlnu | ipv6? |
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| 10:38.26 | KurinPawpad | ipv4, and it only seems to affect certain programs or something. ping works fine, but multiple programs that look up DNS lag. |
| 10:38.45 | simonlnu | is ipv6 enabled? proper routes, etc? |
| 10:39.03 | KurinPawpad | as far as I know IPv6 is not enabled,and I have proper routes, yes. |
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| 10:39.45 | simonlnu | ip addr <network device> |
| 10:40.42 | KurinPawpad | ah, looks like it does have an ipv6. any way I can totally disable that? |
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| 10:41.09 | simonlnu | !!disable ipv6 |
| 10:41.14 | simonlnu | !disable ipv6 |
| 10:41.14 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel (excluding loongson-2f flavour), add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 10:43.09 | KurinPawpad | actually...sorry, I typed that on the wrong terminal. Not sure how to interpret the data really. if it doesn't have a inet6 line under eth0, that means it's disabled, yes? |
| 10:45.08 | simonlnu | yes |
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| 10:47.00 | KurinPawpad | hmmm. What else could it be then? |
| 10:47.50 | simonlnu | once the lookup completes, it's normal speed? |
| 10:48.41 | KurinPawpad | I go to connect, it tells me looking up host, waits for 5-10 seconds, I see a flicker of 'connecting to' (the IP) and it's connected. So I'd say yes. |
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| 10:50.22 | simonlnu | and this is with the nsswitch.conf changes still? |
| 10:50.45 | petemc | KurinPawpad: you could try using tcpdump to see what is going on |
| 10:50.56 | simonlnu | did you restart the browser? (some browsers are stupid that way, and heavily cache stuff) |
| 10:51.07 | simonlnu | yes, that was the next test ;) |
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| 10:52.37 | KurinPawpad | restarted the application, same thing |
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| 10:56.28 | jelly | whispers the magic word "avahi" in simonlnu's ear |
| 10:56.56 | simonlnu | avahi schmavahi |
| 10:57.23 | jelly | KurinPawpad: if you don't need avahi lookups, replace the hosts line in nsswitch.conf with just "hosts: files dns" |
| 10:57.35 | KurinPawpad | jelly: already did |
| 10:57.38 | simonlnu | i intentionally don't install that whole avahi-mdns thingy |
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| 10:58.35 | simonlnu | has gotten bitten by the 169.254.*.* crap too often to care about it much |
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| 11:04.14 | jelly | it's nice when it works and doesn't get in the way, like on OSX |
| 11:04.43 | jelly | but making the common DNS lookup slow is just wrong |
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| 11:07.20 | Sefid_Par | Does debian live have "root password"? |
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| 11:11.22 | Sefid_Par | What is the ROOT PASSWORD of Debian Live? |
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| 11:14.11 | Iridos | empty? |
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| 11:15.22 | Iridos | i.e. there is none |
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| 11:15.34 | Sefid_Par | Iridos: You mean me? |
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| 11:15.41 | Iridos | yeah |
| 11:15.58 | Sefid_Par | I tried empty. but did not act. |
| 11:16.09 | Iridos | tried how |
| 11:16.14 | themill | more likely to have sudo configured |
| 11:16.55 | Sefid_Par | Iridos: I did not type any password. but did not work. |
| 11:17.18 | themill | Sefid_Par: I think Iridos was actually more interested in where you were typing it |
| 11:17.23 | Iridos | after "su"? |
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| 11:18.32 | Sefid_Par | themill: thanks. Iridos: I wanted to log out the debian live. and it asked for password. I did not type anything in password box. But did not react. |
| 11:18.50 | themill | "log in" ... |
| 11:19.39 | themill | Sefid_Par: we can't see your screen. We don't know what you're doing. You need to be far more descriptive for anyone to have a chance of helping you. |
| 11:19.40 | Sefid_Par | themill: What log in? |
| 11:19.42 | Iridos | themill, there's only 2 solutions that make sense... empty pwd for root or sudo (and empty pwd for the default user) and I found http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-cd@lists.debian.org/msg17315.html |
| 11:19.52 | Iridos | so I think that it's empty |
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| 11:21.49 | Iridos | (although the faq-link is dead) |
| 11:22.57 | Iridos | Sefid_Par, we didn't understand what you did. Try to describe again with different words. |
| 11:23.10 | Iridos | this is also not exactly the right channel for the question |
| 11:23.14 | Iridos | !debian-live |
| 11:23.14 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 11:26.02 | Sefid_Par | Iridos: See. I have installed Debian Live USB. two hours a go. 1- I clicked on something like "change the user" >>> its in Gnome. It asked me for password. It had an empty box for password. |
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| 11:26.52 | Sefid_Par | 2- I tried to change a setteing. It asked me for password. I left it empty. It did not work! |
| 11:27.02 | SkilZ | Anyone know the difference between 'rm' and 'shred'? |
| 11:28.03 | petemc | shred can overwrite the contents of a file to make it unretrievable, rm just calls unlink |
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| 11:32.09 | Iridos | Sefid_Par, I see... that should be equivalent to using su, I think. Then try opening a shell and type "sudo" - if your user has a password, type that password... you can also try typing "su" with no password, but that should be the same as the forms you used... |
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| 11:33.59 | Iridos | Sefid_Par, if you can't figure it out, try reset it.. you said it's on an usb stick, so you can write changes to the stick (other than with a CD). You get a factoid describing how when you "/msg dpkg I forgot root password" from here in the channel |
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| 11:34.46 | Sefid_Par | Iridos, Thank you. |
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| 11:42.10 | Sefid_Par | Iridos: |
| 11:43.09 | Iridos | boo |
| 11:43.42 | Sefid_Par | !I forgot password. |
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| 11:44.25 | Sefid_Par | Iridos: I asked dpkg: It didn't answer well. |
| 11:44.35 | Iridos | dpkg, ifrp |
| 11:44.35 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 11:44.51 | Iridos | dpkg, literal ifrp |
| 11:44.51 | dpkg | "ifrp" is "<reply>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt." |
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| 11:45.31 | Iridos | Sefid_Par, ha, sorry... seems only the short form exists |
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| 11:46.49 | Sefid_Par | Iridos: You are welcome. It was helpful. |
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| 11:50.36 | babilen | fwiw -- the long form is "forgot root password" |
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| 12:00.41 | bs1 | Hi, i've installed debian with grafical environment checked in, now i have a gnome after boot, is it possible to fully remove this and install kde? |
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| 12:02.08 | husien | hello guys,.. |
| 12:03.16 | husien | i just finish boot all dvd 1-8 and debian gives me error "[ 0.241013] kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: unable to mount root FS on unknown-block(0,0)".. |
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| 12:04.49 | wols | husien: boot what exactly? you can only boot a single DVD, not 8 |
| 12:05.04 | wols | !tell bs1 about remove gnome |
| 12:05.08 | wols | !tell bs1 about install kde |
| 12:06.41 | husien | that means just DVD1... |
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| 12:08.27 | wols | directly when you boot? maybe a bad burn? |
| 12:09.16 | wols | husien: if you have reasonable internet connection, I'd suggest a netinst installer |
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| 12:09.25 | husien | yes. without internet connection... |
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| 12:09.51 | eddie_grey | alguem ai de blumenau SC, prescisando de um emprego? |
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| 12:11.24 | wols | !es |
| 12:11.24 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 12:13.06 | bzrk | it was portuguese ^^ |
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| 12:15.32 | wols | bzrk: same peninsula :P (and they were vassals of spain once anyways...) |
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| 12:16.42 | sbarcteam | hi. |
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| 12:17.05 | sbarcteam | is it possible to create and get from a known CA a certificate for *.*.domain.com ? |
| 12:17.36 | sbarcteam | that is for 2 levels with wildcard. |
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| 12:20.18 | houms | join /#debian-kde |
| 12:20.56 | berarma | houms: it's /join #debian-kde |
| 12:21.13 | houms | sorry fat fingered |
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| 12:21.30 | houms | trying to find out how to remove the activities button that is stuck on my main screen |
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| 12:28.22 | Mini | Anyone knows the handbook was wrote by which soft? The soft can convert the document to html? |
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| 12:29.34 | thescrutator | If m-a isn't working for me, how should I compile nvidia? |
| 12:29.48 | catsup | m-a has been replaced |
| 12:29.55 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 12:29.55 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:29.57 | abrotman | read the wiki |
| 12:30.02 | thescrutator | catsup: it has? |
| 12:30.06 | catsup | for that purpose |
| 12:30.15 | thescrutator | catsup: What with? |
| 12:30.25 | catsup | dkms |
| 12:30.27 | abrotman | it's like four lines above .. dkms .. read the wiki |
| 12:30.38 | thescrutator | Ah, so m-a hasn't been replaced. |
| 12:30.49 | thescrutator | NVidia is the only choice if I want 3D accel, alas. |
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| 12:31.04 | abrotman | i heard other companies make video cards |
| 12:31.08 | houms | the wiki worked for me on stable |
| 12:31.14 | thescrutator | nouveau doesn't quite support my card, although if I replace xorg, dkms, and the like, it will work for me. |
| 12:31.21 | thescrutator | abrotman: This is integrated. |
| 12:31.41 | thescrutator | Shuttle system with a D525 cpu and NVidia Ion. |
| 12:31.43 | houms | aptosid has a great write up on their manual that also works for me on testing and sid |
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| 12:32.36 | thescrutator | The problem is that nvidia's makefile checks that you're compiling it against 2.6 or newer. |
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| 12:32.41 | thescrutator | However, I'm running 3.0.3 |
| 12:32.51 | thescrutator | Apparently, that causes teh check to fail. |
| 12:33.26 | wols | thescrutator: but the nvidia.com installer is not the only choice for getting the driver. and nvidia.com .run files are not supported here |
| 12:33.39 | thescrutator | wols: I don't want to use the .run file. |
| 12:33.48 | wols | then what do you use? |
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| 12:33.59 | thescrutator | wols: Currently, I use m-a, at least, I try to. |
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| 12:34.13 | thescrutator | wols: But then it dies because the corresponding makefile checks the kernel version, and fails the check. |
| 12:34.14 | houms | agree i am running 3.0.1 with nvidia 460M |
| 12:34.31 | wols | as abrotman said: use dkms. it's cleaner. should be there with all debian branches |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | i said twice to read the wiki ... |
| 12:35.09 | thescrutator | I'll give it a go, if it's the easiest option, I'll *sigh*, live without mpeg2 or 3d accel. |
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| 12:35.18 | catsup | omg can't you just paste the wiki contents into the channel |
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| 12:35.43 | thescrutator | Because nouveau does NOT support that for my card. |
| 12:36.01 | themill | thescrutator: why aren't you listening to people... |
| 12:36.23 | abrotman | three times now ... |
| 12:36.26 | themill | thescrutator: are you under the impression that dkms means nouveau or something? |
| 12:36.27 | catsup | he's still waiting for someone to read the wiki article for him |
| 12:36.34 | thescrutator | themill: I am, actually. |
| 12:36.48 | rypervenche | thescrutator: Debian = a lot of reading :P |
| 12:36.51 | themill | thescrutator: please read what dpkg said. And the wiki.. |
| 12:37.09 | thescrutator | themill: I'm reading it now, I thought it was related to kms. |
| 12:37.28 | abrotman | dkms |
| 12:37.32 | catsup | debian is not exactly overly friendly with nonfree kernel modules |
| 12:37.47 | abrotman | i think you worded that poorly |
| 12:38.07 | abrotman | Nonfree kernel modules are not friendly with linux ... |
| 12:38.35 | catsup | intentional double negative is intentional |
| 12:38.51 | thescrutator | Yeah, NVidia is sucky with linux, but at least it's possible to watch full screen DVD's with it. nouveau can't play full screen DVD's smoothly on this box. |
| 12:38.58 | thescrutator | But don't stress, I'm reading that wiki. |
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| 12:39.01 | abrotman | it's not Debian's fault that hardware manufacturers are morons |
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| 12:39.11 | rypervenche | thescrutator: If you have an Nvidia card, you kind of have to use their proprietary drivers. I have used many methods so far, and only recently started using the dkms.....so much easier. |
| 12:39.29 | abrotman | thescrutator: you realize no one told you to use nouveau ? and maybe you sohuld read the whole wiki page before you keep uttering nonsense? |
| 12:39.31 | thescrutator | rypervenche: Actually, on my previous box, which uses NVidia cards, nouveau worked *flawlessly* and perfectly. |
| 12:39.39 | thescrutator | abrotman: I'm currently reading it. |
| 12:39.47 | thescrutator | hasn't finished yet. |
| 12:39.48 | abrotman | no, oyu're babbling in here. |
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| 12:42.19 | treebeen | abrotman: maybe... maybe not |
| 12:42.54 | thescrutator | Ah. dkms looks like what I was using before. |
| 12:43.06 | treebeen | so what is a good alternative to freenx? is there anything that works as quick over the internet? |
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| 12:43.16 | thescrutator | When I compiled my own kernel, it attempted to compile the NVidia drives as well, which failed for the same reason. |
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| 12:44.25 | thescrutator | At least, when I followed the 'kp mantra', it attempted to compile the nvidia module. |
| 12:45.44 | thescrutator | Hmm, maybe I can edit the makefile if I use dpkg again, I could not do that with m-a, it would remove my changes. |
| 12:45.51 | mosno | treebeen, personally haven't found anything better. sadly. |
| 12:46.24 | thescrutator | suddenly notices his nick. |
| 12:47.06 | abrotman | it's been like that for a week? |
| 12:47.38 | Arafangion | Eh? |
| 12:47.53 | treebeen | mosno: hmm, maybe I try VNC for once... |
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| 12:48.21 | abrotman | you could try the RDP implementations |
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| 12:49.18 | karelbarel | hello all, does anybody use openvas (4.+) please? |
| 12:49.42 | wols | Arafangion: do a ssb for the nvidia driver maybe? nvidia squeeze drivers are old. wheezy ones should be new enough. or sid |
| 12:50.04 | Arafangion | That's an excellent idea, I really should've thought of that. |
| 12:50.15 | mosno | treebeen, i find NX to be faster than VNC |
| 12:50.21 | mosno | treebeen, ymmv |
| 12:50.42 | mosno | abrotman, i didn't realise there was an RDP server available for Linux; thanks |
| 12:50.46 | Arafangion | treebeen: VNC is probably the slowest option you can do, except for uncompressed X11 over SSH - the latter isnt' that slow but it's the roundtrips that kill you. |
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| 12:51.25 | Arafangion | treebeen: That said, at low colour rates and low resolution sizes, VNC is probably perfectly adequate. |
| 12:51.35 | treebeen | mosno: yes, I know, NX is pretty good |
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| 12:52.06 | treebeen | Arafangion: the problem with VNC is often that the clients aren't able to scale down |
| 12:52.30 | treebeen | Arafangion: like not even an option to use high compression etc. |
| 12:52.36 | Arafangion | treebeen: can't or won't? |
| 12:52.56 | petern_ | hmm, tint2 appears to have a big memory leak :S |
| 12:52.58 | treebeen | sometimes can't, sometimes won't even |
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| 12:53.05 | Arafangion | That sucks. |
| 12:53.11 | Arafangion | You could use a different VNC client? |
| 12:53.21 | Arafangion | Which one do you use? |
| 12:53.46 | treebeen | Arafangion: yeah, none at the momement... my experience from before |
| 12:54.29 | Arafangion | treebeen: For low bandwidth links when I had to use VNC, I liked tightvnc. |
| 12:54.51 | Arafangion | But VNC is still one of the worst options these days. |
| 12:54.55 | Arafangion | Simple, however. |
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| 13:00.08 | bony | i get an error while starting ffserver it says "Address family not supported by protocol". Please help me |
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| 13:06.02 | willian | what are the criterias to move packages from experimental to sid? |
| 13:06.29 | abrotman | they don't 'move' |
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| 13:06.51 | abrotman | and it's when the maintainer feels like they're good enough to be in unstable |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | willian: which packages in particular? |
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| 13:07.18 | willian | mesa stuff, for example ... |
| 13:07.31 | abrotman | stuff ... |
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| 13:08.08 | Arafangion | willian: Are you trying to ask: "When does Sid become testing?" |
| 13:08.17 | willian | for example |
| 13:08.18 | willian | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 13:08.25 | willian | no Arafangion |
| 13:08.34 | Arafangion | Just making sure. |
| 13:08.34 | abrotman | willian: are oyu already using unstable? |
| 13:08.40 | willian | yes abrotman |
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| 13:08.49 | abrotman | then why not just grab the packages from experimental/ |
| 13:08.50 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:09.03 | willian | i've used sid for years ... |
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| 13:10.00 | willian | isn't it a problem abrotman? |
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| 13:10.39 | jhine | Hello. I'm trying to install apache2 but it's just stuck on this: http://pastebin.com/RJxQZUj9 |
| 13:10.49 | jhine | never mind, it's done it now :L sorry. |
| 13:10.52 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:10.54 | babilen | heh |
| 13:11.02 | babilen | closes tab |
| 13:11.13 | abrotman | willian: problem in what way? |
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| 13:12.03 | willian | i really don't know... actually, i've never mixed sid with experimental... that's why i'm asking ... |
| 13:12.10 | willian | :) |
| 13:12.11 | babilen | jhine: You might still want to make sure that you can verify packages -- run "apt-get update" and make sure you have debian-archive-keyring installed if the problem persists. (Or where are you getting the apache packages from?) |
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| 13:16.45 | IanLiu | I've plugged my notebook in my TVs HDMI, but Debian didn't recognized the HDMI sound device, so the sound kept coming out from my notebook. Any hints on how to solve this? |
| 13:16.46 | Kasreyn | i've used multistrap to create a debian root. linux now gets stuck after "INIT: Entering runlevel: 2". how can i add what is missing? (i'm assuming rc.d scripts) |
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| 13:20.33 | bs1 | wols: thanks ill try |
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| 13:21.24 | archman | hello |
| 13:21.46 | stockholm | multistrap? /me looks it up |
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| 13:24.10 | archman | a question about pinning: i have installed iceweasel from the mozilla repo (iceweasel-release) and now apt-cache policy says http://paste.lisp.org/display/124205/raw . does this mean that they both (mozilla and official repo) have 500 points and that the official repo is preffered? |
| 13:25.17 | trnzmeta | nite all |
| 13:25.37 | abrotman | it means there is no preference? |
| 13:25.47 | archman | also, if i use this in "preferences" http://paste.lisp.org/display/124206/raw they all get "600", not just the backports one.. |
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| 13:38.01 | archman | abrotman: are those entries correct? |
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| 13:40.33 | sedulous | is anyone using libvirt-bin from squeeze-backports? |
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| 13:41.43 | seneque | bonjour |
| 13:41.52 | sedulous | ... i can't get virsh to work with the backports version. i'm getting "error: this function is not supported by the connection driver" with nearly every virsh function |
| 13:42.16 | sedulous | pinned libvirt-bin libvirt0 python-libvirt do backports |
| 13:42.20 | sedulous | *to |
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| 13:42.57 | abrotman | archman: why are you trying to pin it anyway? |
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| 13:44.26 | archman | abrotman: to track mozilla updates. is it a correct idea? |
| 13:45.01 | abrotman | archman: have you seen mozilla.debian.net ? |
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| 13:45.28 | abrotman | ah, yes |
| 13:45.43 | archman | yes, why? |
| 13:45.44 | abrotman | archman: it will update your package when a new version hits that repo |
| 13:46.18 | archman | abrotman: even though they're both 500? (mozilla and squeeze repo) |
| 13:47.06 | archman | heh, the whole debian wiki needs some serious work |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | archman: i have the same thing .. it pulls from m.d.n |
| 13:47.13 | archman | ok |
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| 13:47.18 | abrotman | archman: you can sign up and edit away :) |
| 13:47.50 | archman | abrotman: too much newbie with debian :) |
| 13:48.10 | twobitsprite | for some reason, no matter how I run atftpd, all it does it print usage, unless --daemon is specified in which case it just dies witout printing anything |
| 13:48.16 | abrotman | oh okay |
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| 13:48.18 | archman | IMO, such a nice nice GNU/Linux distribution with a big mess of a wiki |
| 13:48.21 | twobitsprite | even if I specify --log-file, it doesn't even create the log file |
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| 13:49.44 | twobitsprite | I've tried with no options, just a directory, lots of options, etc... all with the same result |
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| 13:50.14 | twobitsprite | I don't see any bugs listed on bts liks this... it's driving me crazy |
| 13:50.37 | Kasreyn | stockholm: http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap |
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| 13:50.45 | twobitsprite | I've reinstalled it, tried it in inetd, and as a daemon... tried starting it manually... nothing works :( |
| 13:51.34 | twobitsprite | the usage output says the directory must be world readable... I tried that, and even set it to 777 |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | archman: pinning is for when you want a specific version generally .. or from a specific repo .. in your case, you just want the newest |
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| 13:54.49 | archman | i know |
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| 13:55.15 | archman | mozilla's repo is a "specific" repo |
| 13:57.11 | Arafangion | What's debhelper compatibility level 9? |
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| 14:08.30 | homayoon | Is there anyway to upgrade to kde 4.7 on wheezy? |
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| 14:20.03 | babilen | homayoon: no (it is not even in sid) |
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| 14:23.00 | vyadhaka | is there any command line tool that supports creating file system on logical volume? |
| 14:23.42 | twobitsprite | vyadhaka: mkfs.* |
| 14:23.54 | twobitsprite | vyadhaka: i.e., mkfs.ext4 |
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| 14:24.32 | vyadhaka | twobitsprite: yes is it same as mke2fs? |
| 14:24.51 | twobitsprite | vyadhaka: yep |
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| 14:27.40 | vyadhaka | twobitsprite: what I wanted to know was, if there was any tool that would support creating file systems on LV, for example I use parted, but looks like it does not support LVM, is there any other tool that supports LVM partitions |
| 14:28.05 | twobitsprite | vyadhaka: the mkfs tools do support LVs, just like any other block device |
| 14:28.25 | twobitsprite | mkfs.ext4 /dev/mapper/lvg-lv |
| 14:28.42 | vyadhaka | ok |
| 14:29.42 | homayoon | babilen: Thanks. |
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| 14:30.50 | babilen | homayoon: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:35.53 | vyadhaka | twobitsprite: what is the difference between these two: /dev/vg/lv and /dev/mapper/vg/lv |
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| 14:37.27 | vyadhaka | twobitsprite: vgdisplay specifies the name as /dev/vg/lv where as in /etc/fdisk it's listed as /dev/mapper/vg/lv |
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| 14:41.22 | Zap-W | hi |
| 14:41.33 | Zap-W | there a channel for luks crypto thing |
| 14:41.36 | Zap-W | dm-crypt |
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| 14:42.52 | ska | I have a 3rd party deb archive that has Release.gpg and Release.key. How do I insert those keys into apt? |
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| 14:43.13 | twobitsprite | vyadhaka: they're the same... if you ls -l on them you'll see they're just symlinks to ../dm0 or something |
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| 14:44.30 | me-1 | what is wheezy |
| 14:45.34 | Arafangion | me-1: Testing. |
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| 14:45.53 | twobitsprite | !testing |
| 14:45.53 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 14:58.17 | spal | What is the command to find which package installed /usr/bin/texi2pdf on my Debian system? |
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| 14:58.33 | petemc | spal: dpkg -S |
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| 15:00.40 | spal | I use texi2pdf command on my Debian system to generate PDF from my latex code. Now, dpkg -S tells me that texi2pdf comes from texinfo package. |
| 15:00.59 | spal | and aptitude why tells me that texinfo was installed because octave3.0 depends on it. |
| 15:01.05 | spal | can I find out what other packages depend on texinfo? |
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| 15:05.35 | Wooga | hello, can someone confirm this memory leak in glibs: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/463049/ is existing in debian ? |
| 15:05.47 | Wooga | (you need valgrind to test leak) |
| 15:06.03 | Wooga | it should leak 8 bytes on each time load() is called |
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| 15:07.42 | rickbol | trying to use openchrome driver with xorg, but there's no xorg.conf. How? |
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| 15:07.51 | rickbol | on wheezy |
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| 15:08.48 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
| 15:08.59 | Arafangion | How tricky is getting multiarch-support into wheezy? |
| 15:09.07 | Arafangion | Into squeeze, rather. |
| 15:09.57 | Arafangion | I almost did an ssb, but nervously backed out once I saw it downloading eglibc. |
| 15:10.35 | babilen | Arafangion: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 15:10.54 | babilen | !tell rickbol -about empty xorg.conf |
| 15:10.58 | babilen | !tell rickbol -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 15:11.17 | babilen | rickbol: Please also note that we have a specific channel (#debian-next on irc.oftc.net) for wheezy/sid support. |
| 15:11.19 | Arafangion | babilen: backporting NVidia, although I may need to give up and backport Nouveau instead, except that I won't have 3D accel. |
| 15:11.31 | twobitsprite | arrrg.... this freaking atftpd is killing me! nothing seems to work at all, no matter what I try |
| 15:11.31 | healer | hello everyone |
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| 15:11.55 | me-1 | hi...is debian/kfreebsd is stable...? |
| 15:12.29 | babilen | Arafangion: Well, backporting multiarch-support is futile -- You *might* have to run wheezy or install the driver from nvidia.com (that wouldn't be supported by Debian though - and their isntaller sucks) |
| 15:12.33 | babilen | me-1: yes |
| 15:12.55 | babilen | me-1: You might want to ask specific questions in #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:13.03 | Arafangion | babilen: I'm trying to exhaust all avenues before I run the installer. |
| 15:13.24 | me-1 | babilen, i didnt know about the channel |
| 15:13.25 | babilen | Arafangion: Understandable |
| 15:13.34 | babilen | me-1: That is why I mentioned it :) |
| 15:13.43 | me-1 | thank you |
| 15:13.49 | babilen | me-1: See you there |
| 15:14.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | Which file has the USB IDs for udev detection? (it keeps configuring my ipod as a PTP camera.) |
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| 15:15.09 | babilen | jhutchins_lt2: /lib/udev/rules.d ? If you want to create your own rules put them in /etc/udev/rules.d/ though |
| 15:15.50 | babilen | jhutchins_lt2: As what would you want it to be recognised? Isn't it a camera? |
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| 15:16.29 | babilen | jhutchins_lt2: IIRC you could also create something like /.is_player (not sure what the file was called exactly) on the iPod -- Let me search for a second. |
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| 15:19.50 | Arafangion | babilen: Looks like I'm going to be lucky, or unlucky, depending on how I look at it. |
| 15:20.21 | babilen | Arafangion: hmm? |
| 15:20.26 | Arafangion | The only reason why I can't install nvidia-glx is because I can't install nvidia-vdpau-driver (due to no multiarch support) |
| 15:20.35 | Arafangion | So I might well be able to run NVidia anyway. |
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| 15:21.10 | Arafangion | I won't have video decode and presentation support... But at least I should have 3D accel, and nouveau wouldn't give me either of those anyway. |
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| 15:23.09 | babilen | jhutchins_lt2: See for example http://live.gnome.org/Rhythmbox/FAQ or http://almost-a-technocrat.blogspot.com/2010/11/isaudioplayer.html |
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| 15:26.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | babilen: The iPod should be configured as a storage device. This one doesn't even have a camera. |
| 15:27.16 | jhutchins_lt2 | babilen: Part of the fun is that Apple changes protocols with different "Generations" - and there's no way to tell what generation a device is without some sort of scorecard. |
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| 15:28.09 | linduxed | hey guys, i'm trying to update a package from a custom repo, but even though i know that there are multiple newer versions, "aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" doesn't result in the package upgrading |
| 15:28.45 | linduxed | the sources.lst line for the repo is deb http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/devel/testing/i386/ ./ |
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| 15:30.22 | jhutchins_lt2 | babilen: Thanks, but I don't think is_audio_player would work. I know Amarok depends on the device mounting as USB Storage. |
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| 15:32.44 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: It appears I might have some more options if I did a full gnome install and tried some of the gnome specific tools. |
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| 15:36.43 | jhutchins_lt | What I'm looking for is when dmesg displays the device info and says " usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 3 choices" - where are those choices? |
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| 15:51.06 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, you can write a udev rule for your ipod (e.g. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IPod) -- I am using .is_audio_player on my android phone to teach rhythmbox about the correct directories and accepted/preferred audio encodings. |
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| 15:51.49 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I am not sure where those choices are, but I would expect them to be somewhere in the /lib/udev/rules.d rules |
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| 16:00.15 | jhutchins_lt2 | Sigh. Too much dependency foolishness. |
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| 16:02.45 | Tixus | hi. I need help. I have an old program, I don't have the source code and I can't find a library. I need the library liblowlevel_tray, but I can't find it in packages.debian.org. Any idea? Btw, idk the real name of the package. |
| 16:02.52 | jhutchins_lt2 | Even if I knock out the gphto rule, it mounts as a PTP imaging device. |
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| 16:07.39 | linduxed | how do i solve the following dep-problems? |
| 16:07.41 | linduxed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.43 | linduxed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.03 | themill | don't mix releases |
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| 16:10.26 | keith4 | linduxed: are you trying to backport bitlbee? |
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| 16:10.50 | workkevin | Can anyone clarify for me the reasons to use 1MiB partition boundaries? And, in particular, should I care if I'm just using normal disks (not SSD) with 512-byte sectors? |
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| 16:12.45 | HashNuke | I just installed debian via the net-install. "apt-get install gcc" says unable to locate package. |
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| 16:14.34 | c0mrade_ | WriteLn.Console("Hello"); |
| 16:14.59 | Tixus | p "Hi. How are you?" |
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| 16:15.08 | c0mrade_ | How can I search for all channels that contain the word "ubuntu" and output the result into a file? |
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| 16:16.07 | epsilon | get the chan list and put it in a file, then grep |
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| 16:17.26 | c0mrade_ | I think I can't copy the contents of the channel list. |
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| 16:18.08 | c0mrade_ | There must be some other way. |
| 16:19.06 | jhutchins_lt2 | c0mrade_: Check the documentation for your irc client. |
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| 16:19.53 | c0mrade_ | I checked it. |
| 16:19.57 | c0mrade_ | Nothing. |
| 16:20.21 | jhutchins_lt | c0mrade_: Try a different client then. |
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| 16:20.37 | c0mrade_ | I can't. |
| 16:20.59 | themill | looks for the debian angle on this question |
| 16:21.05 | lapfrog | c0mrade_: maybe find -name "*ubuntu*" in your logs |
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| 16:21.28 | c0mrade_ | Logs does not contain the channel list. |
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| 16:21.46 | themill | c0mrade_: try asking in ##mirc |
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| 16:22.49 | chipnt | my ovh provider doesnt offer a good kernel support for using nfs server, and i dont know where from to download kernel for debian 6 |
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| 16:22.57 | chipnt | any page? |
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| 16:23.07 | Johnyk | do you know how to change the kernel with grub2 ? |
| 16:23.16 | chipnt | if i see tutorial yes |
| 16:23.24 | chipnt | the system admin is going to enter |
| 16:23.24 | chipnt | here |
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| 16:23.27 | chipnt | to do it himself |
| 16:23.34 | chipnt | he needs the ftp link |
| 16:23.37 | chipnt | of the right kernel |
| 16:23.40 | HashNuke | I got my net installer working (had to uncomment the apt sources list) and updated the pkg. But for every pkg it's asking me to install dependencies. Isn't that supposed to install automatically? |
| 16:23.44 | benji321 | Hi , when a.sh launches b.sh, is there a way for b.sh to retrieve the name of the parent script a.sh ? |
| 16:23.55 | lapfrog | c0mrade_: log files might be named after channel names |
| 16:24.24 | c0mrade_ | Yes. |
| 16:24.26 | chipnt | Johnyk: yes with grup2 is ok |
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| 16:25.02 | Johnyk | yes, how to change the kernel version ? because there is no menu.lst anymore ! |
| 16:25.16 | c0mrade_ | I didn't chat in all channels which are about 33,000 channels so there might be ubuntu channels that I didn't visit. I want an accurate resutl. |
| 16:25.19 | c0mrade_ | result*. |
| 16:25.27 | c0mrade_ | That will filter the channel list by name. |
| 16:25.36 | themill | c0mrade_: please take this elsewhere. |
| 16:25.45 | c0mrade_ | And output the result with names containing the word "ubuntu" into a file. |
| 16:25.50 | chipnt | Johnyk: do you have a link of the right kernel and a small tutorial on web in order to make nfs server work ? |
| 16:26.04 | simonlnu | chipnt: there's kernels in the repo |
| 16:26.17 | chipnt | ok |
| 16:26.20 | chipnt | im searching |
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| 16:29.49 | SkilZ | Any program like an alarm clock that plays a sound to wake me up? |
| 16:29.52 | SkilZ | pref console |
| 16:30.10 | jhutchins_lt | cron |
| 16:30.31 | themill | at |
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| 16:32.20 | Bushmills | SkilZ: at time <<< aplay sound |
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| 16:33.02 | c0mrade_ | I asked them in ##mirc and they didn't know. |
| 16:33.15 | themill | dpkg: tell c0mrade_ about they don't know |
| 16:33.31 | Bushmills | loop through sound in a script which you call instead of aplay sound, for repetition |
| 16:33.41 | chipnt | simonlnu can you tell me what kernel version to choose for support of nfs? |
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| 16:33.54 | chipnt | and maybe a small tutorial to edit the boot files |
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| 16:34.02 | chipnt | thats smth i found already |
| 16:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | c0mrade_: This really isn't a Debian question. Find a client that will do it, download the channel list from the network website, read the protocol and do a direct query, use netcat, etc. |
| 16:34.55 | Bushmills | chipnt: no special kernel version nor "boot file editing" needed |
| 16:35.13 | chipnt | Bushmills: Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning). |
| 16:35.18 | c0mrade_ | You told me ##mirc channel will give me the answer. You are responsible. |
| 16:35.26 | Bushmills | chipnt: use a debian kernel |
| 16:35.29 | chipnt | my debian server provider is ovh, they have a custom kernel, Bushmills |
| 16:35.38 | chipnt | well i want to make sure i use the right one |
| 16:35.41 | Bushmills | just any debian kernel will do |
| 16:35.42 | abrotman | c0mrade_: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 16:35.59 | chipnt | ok |
| 16:36.03 | c0mrade_ | abrotman No. |
| 16:36.05 | chipnt | apt-get install x debian, and after? |
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| 16:36.08 | chipnt | Bushmills |
| 16:36.10 | chipnt | :) |
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| 16:36.29 | abrotman | c0mrade_: find the appropriate channel for your gibberish, this isn't it. Have a nice day. |
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| 16:38.01 | SkilZ | Bushmills: ~$ at 02:39 <<< aplay Downloads/alarma.wav |
| 16:38.01 | SkilZ | syntax error. Last token seen: D |
| 16:38.02 | SkilZ | Garbled time |
| 16:39.09 | Bushmills | put command between double quotes |
| 16:39.30 | workkevin | How would you search for installed packages with version numbers greater than what is available in the repositories? |
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| 16:39.43 | jhutchins_lt | What is <<< for? |
| 16:39.45 | chipnt | Bushmills, i did aptitude search kernel and im not sure what to use from there |
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| 16:40.03 | themill | dpkg: tell workkevin about not available |
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| 16:40.24 | linduxed | keith4: no, just installing from their nightly-repo |
| 16:40.30 | themill | workkevin: what you want is a subset of that output; hopefully a fairly obvious subset.... |
| 16:41.03 | linduxed | keith4: i guess that could qualify as backporting... or not, i'm not familiar with the terminology |
| 16:41.10 | utrrrongeeb | How can I sum the sizes in bytes of files selected with the 'find' command? |
| 16:41.45 | jhutchins_lt | utrrrongeeb: Math. |
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| 16:42.04 | keith4 | linduxed: you can't run nightly releases on squeeze |
| 16:42.10 | themill | linduxed: you're mixing packages designed for different releases, that isn't backporting, that's playing with fire, as you have now discovered. |
| 16:42.17 | Bushmills | i.e. the "aplay ...." |
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| 16:42.23 | keith4 | so i second themill's advice |
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| 16:42.46 | workkevin | utrrrongeeb: You might be able to xargs to du |
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| 16:43.19 | utrrrongeeb | jhutchins: Found a way which works (I'd been fiddling with xargs and bash variables, to no avail): $ du -hc $(find -name *~) |
| 16:43.33 | utrrrongeeb | (and workkevin) |
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| 16:43.45 | workkevin | utrrrongeeb: That might work, as long as your result list isn't too long |
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| 16:44.09 | workkevin | utrrrongeeb: But if you actually want bytes (as you suggested), you need -b |
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| 16:44.47 | workkevin | utrrrongeeb: Of course, it depends on what size you want. Disk usage isn't exactly the same as logical size. |
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| 16:44.55 | utrrrongeeb | workkevin: It did. I actually didn't care what the output unit was so long as I knew what it was |
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| 16:45.41 | utrrrongeeb | workkevin: There's no command to sum numbers from stdin, is there? |
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| 16:45.47 | plm_ | Hi all |
| 16:45.53 | Arrowmaster | abrotman: too long? |
| 16:45.58 | workkevin | utrrrongeeb: Not that I know of |
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| 16:46.10 | themill | Arrowmaster: it fits within the length limits for bans, if that's what you're asking ;) |
| 16:46.16 | plm_ | people, are there how use the cp command with option to show percent of copy of a dir? |
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| 16:46.43 | utrrrongeeb | plm_: To show progress while copying? |
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| 16:47.26 | plm_ | utrrrongeeb: yes |
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| 16:48.12 | utrrrongeeb | plm_: I don't know -- does anyone else? |
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| 16:54.58 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to run 'dailystrips' shortly after boot, once per day. How should this be accomplished? cron.daily seems to take its time about executing.... |
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| 16:55.43 | linduxed | themill: well, the thing is that the last time i installed a nightly from that repo, it installed without any issues. my guess is that some of the more recent versions introduced some dependencies for newer versions of the two packages i mentioned above |
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| 16:57.37 | zambaboo | running dpkg-rebuildpackage inside the kernel package. one particular module that i need is listed in .config but does not get built. how do i make sure it gets built? |
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| 16:58.33 | Bushmills | chipnt: the one which corresponds with your hardware. CPU, especially |
| 16:58.34 | themill | linduxed: then that would be purely by luck |
| 16:58.42 | chipnt | 64 |
| 16:58.43 | chipnt | brb |
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| 16:59.02 | linduxed | themill: well, yeah that could be it |
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| 16:59.41 | linduxed | themill: it doesn't change the fact however that i'd like to use the latest version of that package, so i'd like to find a way to install newer versions of the dependencies |
| 16:59.43 | Bushmills | chipnt: linux-image-2.6-amd64 most likely |
| 17:00.05 | chipnt | ill send it to the admin |
| 17:00.06 | themill | linduxed: you need a new way to make the packages; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:00.09 | Bushmills | note that that's not a kernel image, but a meta package which depends on the corresponding kernel image |
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| 17:02.16 | linduxed | themill: i'll check that |
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| 17:17.01 | sweetpi | Is anyone aware of issues with a rtl8188ce wireless chip? I'm having massive latency issues and dropped packets. |
| 17:18.04 | jhutchins_lt | sweetpi: They are not known to be very good quality hardware. |
| 17:18.26 | twobitsprite | I have an odd question... I have an old system (deployed before I got here) which has a running ssh-agent using passphrased ssh keys. These keys are used to automated administration of some remote systems. |
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| 17:19.03 | twobitsprite | Unfortunately, no one around here seems to know the passphrase to the keys and we're in the process of rebuilding this system. It would be much easier to reuse the existing keys than push out new ones to all the systems it talks to |
| 17:19.15 | twobitsprite | is there a way to extract the passphrase from a running ssh-agent? |
| 17:19.36 | twobitsprite | (I swear, this is legit. :) |
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| 17:19.45 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: Not a practical way that would be easier than distributing new keys. |
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| 17:20.00 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: there are a lot of systems :P |
| 17:20.23 | themill | how do you apply kernel patches to this machine? |
| 17:20.23 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: That would kind of defeat the whole reason for having a password to begin with. |
| 17:20.40 | jhutchins_lt | twobitsprite: The keys _should_ be in the .ssh folder though, shouldn't they? |
| 17:20.47 | valdyn_ | twobitsprite: nothing automatic is entering the passphrases? |
| 17:20.49 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: I realize that... I've never understood the point of ssh-agent on a system with passphrased keys... |
| 17:20.52 | nkuttler | twobitsprite: can't you just source the env files? |
| 17:20.53 | sweetpi | jhutchins_lt: starting to think the same, however it works fine on win7 which is bugging me since I dont use it |
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| 17:20.59 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_lt: yes, that's where they are, but they're passphrased :) |
| 17:21.09 | nkuttler | twobitsprite: the point is that you type the phrase once and that's it |
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| 17:21.18 | nkuttler | see also man ssh-agent |
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| 17:21.40 | twobitsprite | nkuttler: the env files don't seem to contai passphrases... it looks like the ssh-agent is set up manually at each boot... it just happens to have been up long enough that no one has needed to know they keys and everyone who knew them is gone |
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| 17:22.00 | twobitsprite | nkuttler: yes, I get that... but I don't have the passphrase, the ssh-agent is already running :P |
| 17:22.03 | hje841 | Any idea why my Debian box says 0 users when I connect via ssh? |
| 17:22.11 | nkuttler | twobitsprite: so contact the former admins |
| 17:22.11 | hje841 | by Uptime |
| 17:22.18 | zambaboo | you do not exist. |
| 17:22.19 | valdyn_ | twobitsprite: ssh-agent has either the passphrases or the decrypted keys cached then it seems |
| 17:22.33 | twobitsprite | valdyn_: right, so there has to be some way to get it out |
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| 17:22.44 | valdyn_ | twobitsprite: right |
| 17:22.46 | hje841 | is it because I'm logged in as root? |
| 17:23.31 | twobitsprite | hje841: where do you see 0 users listed? |
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| 17:23.48 | hje841 | twobitsprite: when using 'uptime' |
| 17:23.51 | valdyn_ | twobitsprite: so the way is: just use a debugger |
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| 17:24.28 | valdyn_ | twobitsprite: if you're bright enough and know the algorithms and the source code it might not be that hard, but if you dont, then its probably the harder way |
| 17:24.35 | twobitsprite | valdyn_: I was hoping someone already wrote something to extract the passphrase/keys, but that would work |
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| 17:26.04 | massmc | hello I am having troubles editing visudo in squeeze with KDE, am I doing something wrong? Always added myself to the visudo list with xfce4, gnome etc.. |
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| 17:26.38 | valdyn_ | massmc: we cant know if you did something wrong if you dont show us what you did |
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| 17:26.56 | themill | massmc: you probably just want "adduser massmc sudo" |
| 17:27.05 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:27.21 | massmc | well usually I will edit visudo as su in squeeze.. it's wont allowing me to with this KDE install |
| 17:27.41 | hje841 | uptime shows '0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00,0.00' how can that be? |
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| 17:27.51 | jhutchins_lt | massmc: visudo is the editor command,not the file t9o edit. |
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| 17:28.20 | themill | massmc: you could either try the things that are suggested or try giving us specifics. Your choice. |
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| 17:28.49 | valdyn_ | hje841: "cat /proc/uptime" shows what? |
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| 17:29.14 | Zet_ | hi, I'm running wheezy, and I recently (like a few days ago) suddenly lost direct rendering and XVideo on my ATI graphics card. Xorg.0.log is here: http://pastebin.com/MwwQ4S1H |
| 17:29.15 | hje841 | 14010240.66 98287818.27 |
| 17:29.38 | valdyn_ | hje841: your uptime command is broken |
| 17:29.39 | Zet_ | lspci lists the card as "ATI Technologies Inc RV630 [Radeon HD 2600 Series]" |
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| 17:29.49 | SkilZ | Whats the command to clode the cdrom |
| 17:29.55 | hje841 | valdyn_: how's that? |
| 17:30.03 | SkilZ | close |
| 17:30.03 | abrotman | SkilZ: close? clone? |
| 17:30.06 | jelly-home | hje841: there's nothing wrong with that uptime output |
| 17:30.10 | Bushmills | eject -t |
| 17:30.17 | SkilZ | Thank you |
| 17:30.28 | massmc | themill, using truecrypt requires root, so thats the only time i ever needed to add myself as sudo. Now, i just installed KDE squeeze and the visudo file wont seem to add me.. it adds me to visudo.tmp |
| 17:30.45 | SkilZ | abrotman: I'm trying to set a hot key to open and close the cdrom, is that possible? |
| 17:30.56 | themill | massmc: "the visudo file wont seem to add me" is jibberish. |
| 17:31.12 | twobitsprite | massmc: what exactly are you running to try to add yourself to the sudoers file? |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | SkilZ: probably .. i mean .. you have to put the CD in .. you'd think you could just hit the buttons while you're down there |
| 17:31.24 | valdyn_ | hje841: did you intentionally not show the first part of your uptime command's output? |
| 17:32.04 | hje841 | valdyn_: yes |
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| 17:32.51 | hje841 | valdyn_: it's only the last bit that say's 0000 |
| 17:32.52 | valdyn_ | hje841: you can compare the loadvg equivalently |
| 17:33.12 | hje841 | valdyn_: ? |
| 17:33.17 | valdyn_ | hje841: cat /proc/loadavg |
| 17:33.54 | hje841 | 0.00 0.00 0.00 1/186 19704 |
| 17:34.06 | valdyn_ | hje841: looks fine |
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| 17:34.33 | massmc | themill, visudo opens /etc/sudoers.tmp in visudo I can see all imputs.. but when I open the file later it is blank |
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| 17:35.40 | twobitsprite | massmc: I think you're confused about how visudo works. What is the exact command you are running? |
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| 17:35.59 | massmc | guys, please forgive me i'm an idiot.. I was trying to add myself on a different file alltogether, sorry for being a pain |
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| 17:36.25 | sweetpi | Zet_: what did you change? did you try reinstalling the drivers? |
| 17:36.27 | valdyn_ | hje841: leaves just your /var/run/utmp |
| 17:36.40 | massmc | twobitsprite, i was thinking i was loosing my mind actually, I havent asked for help in 3 years or so, I usually google the shit out things |
| 17:36.58 | utrrrongeeb | SkilZ: What desktop environment are you using? |
| 17:37.03 | massmc | I was just trying to edit the wrong file twobitsprite , thanks for your help mate |
| 17:37.15 | valdyn_ | hje841: i dont know when or how exactly that file breaks, but it does, giving you 0 users |
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| 17:37.20 | Zet_ | sweetpi: I'm not sure what I changed anymore. it may have coincided with my first boot into kernel 3.0 actually. |
| 17:37.20 | twobitsprite | massmc: "sudo visudo" should be sufficient, it will default to the /etc/sudoers file |
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| 17:37.35 | twobitsprite | massmc: unless you're root, then just "visudo" |
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| 17:38.30 | valdyn_ | hje841: you can read its manpage(s) and http://www.vttoth.com/utmp.htm, and google will know quite a lot about it |
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| 17:40.34 | themill | valdyn_, jelly-home: hje841is asking about the "0 users" bit of uptime(1)'s output, not the load averages or seconds since boot |
| 17:40.35 | hje841 | themill: exactly |
| 17:40.35 | hje841 | I just logged in to my Debian server box after being away during the summer. and along with this '0 users' problem I can't get a lock on aptitude :S |
| 17:40.35 | hje841 | any ideas? |
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| 17:40.52 | sweetpi | Zet_: you need to reinstall your drivers when you boot a new kernel (last time I used fglrx that is) |
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| 17:41.04 | valdyn_ | hje841: already explained that part |
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| 17:41.10 | Joelito | j #gnu |
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| 17:41.13 | jelly-home | themill: I know. |
| 17:41.19 | SkilZ | utrrrongeeb: Fluxbox, this is going in the .fluxbox/keys file |
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| 17:41.34 | SkilZ | I got: Pause :Exec eject cdrom |
| 17:41.34 | SkilZ | Num_Lock :Exec eject -t cdrom |
| 17:41.52 | SkilZ | but would prefer to use the same key |
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| 17:42.25 | hje841 | valdyn_: okay. thanks |
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| 17:42.56 | utrrrongeeb | SkilZ: $ eject -T |
| 17:43.15 | The_Schmidt | lol, ok this is just funny ... eject && eject -t |
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| 17:43.37 | SkilZ | utrrrongeeb: ? |
| 17:43.41 | jelly-home | hje841: the data about currently "logged in" users and the ttys they occupy is stored in "/var/run/utmp". |
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| 17:43.52 | valdyn_ | hje841: I speculated that your /var/run/utmp, but that could aswell just be a symptom of /var being broken, since aptitude broke too |
| 17:43.52 | SkilZ | utrrrongeeb: Ohh |
| 17:43.55 | SkilZ | awesome! :) |
| 17:44.07 | dime | hi.. anyone familiar with editting squashfs filesystems? |
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| 17:44.32 | Zet_ | sweetpi: that helped, thanks |
| 17:44.50 | utrrrongeeb | SkilZ: Yeah, I used to use it... Now my DVD tray is blocked by a dust cover, so I have to manually intervene before I can safely open it. (Getting a similar command in Windows was quite difficult ;-) ) |
| 17:44.51 | jelly-home | hje841: usually login, ssh, terminal emulators, and similar services log the user there, but this isn't obligatory and can be configured not to. |
| 17:45.22 | sweetpi | Zet_: yw |
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| 17:46.04 | hje841 | valdyn_: when I run 'tail -f /var/run/utmp I get a bit of odd characters along with some ~~reboot and some other entreis |
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| 17:46.22 | jelly-home | hje841: sometimes intruders wipe this file to hide evidence of intrusion, but "0 users" by itself doesn't mean you got hax0red |
| 17:46.34 | valdyn_ | hje841: thats ok for all I can tell |
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| 17:46.39 | MrSmiley909 | I am trying to install debian (amd64) via usb with business iso. I created the usb-hdd with a boot.img and I am able to get to the installer but the debian-installer cannot find the iso on the usb drive. Any know anything about this? |
| 17:46.44 | valdyn_ | hje841: but it might not be writable |
| 17:46.48 | hje841 | valdyn_: okay |
| 17:46.54 | valdyn_ | hje841: or someone might have modified it |
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| 17:47.18 | jelly-home | hje841: you can use dump-utmp tool on the file, instead. or the "w" command. or "finger" if you have it |
| 17:47.20 | valdyn_ | hje841: but again i would search for the link to aptitudes break, since that can be done quickly too |
| 17:47.50 | themill | !status lock |
| 17:47.50 | dpkg | If you have errors that there the dpkg status database cannot be locked, check to see if another package management tool is already running. This might be aptitude, dpkg, update-manager, unattended-upgrades, synaptic, ... Find out by running (as root): fuser -vi /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 17:48.02 | hje841 | valdyn_: jelly-home out of context I tried a2dissite <some site> and it says "Read only file system" |
| 17:48.12 | valdyn_ | hje841: excellent |
| 17:48.21 | sweetpi | if utmp isnt readable, who, uptime, etc will report 0 users |
| 17:48.23 | jelly-home | hje841: check dmesg for IO and disk errors |
| 17:48.47 | sweetpi | ah that would do it too :) |
| 17:49.00 | hje841 | jelly-home: how? |
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| 17:49.11 | simonlnu | ,info cricket |
| 17:49.13 | judd | Package cricket (net, extra) in squeeze/i386: Program for collection and display of time-series data. Version: 1.0.5-13; Size: 382.9k; Installed: 1576k |
| 17:49.20 | valdyn_ | hje841: dmesg |
| 17:49.31 | jelly-home | hje841: it's a command |
| 17:49.35 | linduxed | hmmm, i've noticed that there are quite a few things i'd have to update if i wanted this package to work, but all of the stuff i need is currently in wheezy. this made me think that i might want to upgrade to wheezy, considering i don't have very much against trying the system out. thoughts? |
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| 17:49.58 | valdyn_ | linduxed: try and see |
| 17:49.58 | infernix | is anyone aware of any issues with lenny and the new 3.0.x kernel version numbering? I wonder if stuff would break |
| 17:50.06 | hje841 | valdyn_: just an excerpt: [13954808.684997] EXT4-fs error (device dm-0): ext4_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 15381 |
| 17:50.28 | simonlnu | jelly-home: your recommendation: cricket, or munin? |
| 17:50.30 | linduxed | valdyn_: is there some good guide for how to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 17:50.35 | valdyn_ | hje841: that doesnt seem critical |
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| 17:50.48 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: wheezy isn't an upgrade, it's an experiment. |
| 17:50.52 | valdyn_ | hje841: try to remount rw that fs, see what you get |
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| 17:50.59 | linduxed | jhutchins_lt: hmmm, true |
| 17:51.12 | valdyn_ | hje841: but i think youre missing the real error in dmesg |
| 17:51.13 | jelly-home | simonlnu: I have no experience with munin, and cricket seems to be a PITA but it works for $employer |
| 17:51.19 | jhutchins_lt | linduxed: Since it isn't stable enough for someone to define what wheezy actually is yet, a guide would be premature. |
| 17:51.23 | Bushmills | linduxed: put your /home on a seperate partition, so you can install stable or testing on your / partition, or even both at the same time, and mount your personal files in /home into either system |
| 17:51.43 | valdyn_ | hje841: i dont know your fs layout, so "mount -o remount,rw /path/to/mountpoint |
| 17:51.57 | themill | dpkg: tell linduxed about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Just imagine what that will do with all the hidden conf files. |
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| 17:52.13 | Bushmills | well, they'll be there too. |
| 17:52.30 | hje841 | valdyn_: before all those EXT4-fs thingies theres a bit about '... unexpectedly schunk window...' |
| 17:52.38 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Yes, and the newer software will update them. |
| 17:53.24 | valdyn_ | hje841: thats about networking, its irrelevant |
| 17:53.25 | Bushmills | which in the majority of cases will not affect their function with the older version. some may, but removing the conf files is easily done too |
| 17:53.41 | valdyn_ | hje841: its an error too, but not on your system |
| 17:54.09 | valdyn_ | hje841: you need to reboot in any case |
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| 17:54.36 | valdyn_ | hje841: or technically you can do the fsck without a reboot, but thats not much of a practical difference |
| 17:54.43 | hje841 | valdyn_: okay. Actually the last entry in dmesg says "... ext4_remount: About forced by user" |
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| 17:55.58 | sweetpi | Is there a way to increase wireless driver verbosity? |
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| 17:56.26 | hje841 | valdyn_: I'll try the reboot and I'll get back to you when/if I connect to it again |
| 17:56.53 | jelly-home | hje841: ignore the lines with "shrunk window unexpectedly", they're not important |
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| 17:57.32 | jelly-home | hje841: pastebin the output of "dmesg |grep -vi shrunk" if you can |
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| 17:59.25 | hje841 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/JntNCBCv |
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| 18:00.00 | hje841 | jelly-home: valdyn_ I'll try to reboot |
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| 18:00.56 | jelly-home | hje841: which kernel did you have on that machine? I've seen ext4 bugs like that in the past |
| 18:01.21 | jelly-home | try using at least 2.6.36 (or the latest from the distro and hope the bugs are fixed) |
| 18:01.36 | linduxed | themill: and here we... go |
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| 18:01.46 | linduxed | themill: thx for the dpkg tip |
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| 18:02.09 | hje841 | jelly-home: it's 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
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| 18:04.06 | ParadoxG_ | I did aptitude install smartmontools, and it's complaining that the package is untrusted. Why would it be untrusted? |
| 18:04.53 | hje841 | bugger.. I need a bike trip as the Debian box is downtown.... I'll get back to you in a few hours |
| 18:05.04 | hje841 | can't reboot remotely |
| 18:05.11 | jelly-home | ParadoxG_: the repository it's trying to download from isn't signed with any keys known to apt. pastebin the output of aptitude update. |
| 18:05.30 | jelly-home | ParadoxG_: which debian release are you using? |
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| 18:07.04 | ParadoxG_ | http://pastebin.com/9mUs9K1P |
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| 18:11.16 | anomaly | anyone know about getting the GM965 from Intel working with X? xrandr is reporting 1024x768, yet the laptop can do 1280x800 natively. same with gl/3d being slow. xserver-xorg-video-intel is what is currently installed. |
| 18:13.05 | ParadoxG_ | I'm on Debian squeeze right now |
| 18:14.39 | abrotman | anomaly: is it actually using that driver? did you `aptitude install xorg' to get all the good bits? |
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| 18:16.39 | anomaly | abrotman yes, I did an 'apt-get install xorg' it is working fine as I say.. just low resolution and my screensavers (opengl) crawl.. lol |
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| 18:16.58 | anomaly | I let it set it up as well, so I do not have an xorg.conf at present. |
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| 18:17.38 | no_gravity | Good Evening! How would you do a recursive grep? I want to use grep like this to find filenames: "grep -o 'filename: (.*)' filename.txt" and then feed the same grep command with the found filenames to recursively find all filenames in all files that refer to each other. |
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| 18:17.55 | kristian_ | greetings |
| 18:17.56 | jelly-home | ParadoxG_: hm, it didn't warn about any missing repo. gpg keys. Does aptitude install smartmontools still complain? |
| 18:18.02 | simonlnu | no_gravity: um, man grep. hint: -r |
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| 18:18.12 | kristian_ | playing around with debian in Virtualbox, |
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| 18:18.52 | no_gravity | simonlnu: no! say file1.txt contains a line "file: file7.txt" then i also want to search in file7.txt. but i dont want to search in file3.txt |
| 18:18.53 | kristian_ | hoping I can get it under 1GB while being able to run a media center |
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| 18:19.38 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 18:20.04 | kristian_ | simonlnu: think I'm being too optimistic? |
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| 18:20.25 | kristian_ | I don't need a desktop per se, just vlc, mplayer, mpd and such |
| 18:20.26 | ParadoxG_ | Hmm, this time it didn't complain. But, just before the first time it complained I did an upgrade and update. http://pastebin.com/t7B45GSP |
| 18:20.38 | simonlnu | nothing to do with you kristian_ |
| 18:20.39 | ParadoxG_ | it just installed fine. |
| 18:20.41 | kristian_ | plus as little x as I can get along with |
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| 18:31.21 | nsadmin | kristian_ you'd still need: x server and its libs, x client libs, the clients you mentiuon, a window manager |
| 18:31.57 | nsadmin | and I'd say also xterm or rxvt |
| 18:31.59 | kristian_ | nsadmin: hurm |
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| 18:32.03 | SpeedyG | hi, currently i'm using the stable version of iceweasel in squeeze but i'd like to upgrade to a more recent version of iceweasel/firefox. is there a good howto available for that? somehow using google I don't really find something that helps me any further |
| 18:32.09 | jpinx_out | which is the "best" incarnation of ntp these days? |
| 18:32.10 | kristian_ | yes, something like that.. |
| 18:32.35 | kristian_ | I got the netinstall ISO... it seems to actually install X? |
| 18:32.51 | nsadmin | jpinx_out, what's "best"? |
| 18:33.12 | simonlnu | kristian_: no, it fetches it remotely |
| 18:33.20 | jpinx_out | nsadmin: whatever will "work" in squeeze ;) |
| 18:33.32 | kristian_ | simonlnu: yes, I know |
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| 18:33.47 | kristian_ | what I meant was, I thought I had to specifically ask to have it installed |
| 18:33.55 | nsadmin | jpinx, see: packages.debian.org |
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| 18:34.12 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: Maybe something like $ grep ^file: filename.txt | grep -o [A-Za-z0-9] to start? But you want it to be recursive... |
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| 18:34.35 | no_gravity | utrrrongeeb: yeah |
| 18:35.04 | jpinx | nsadmin: yea -- it only offers ntp - I thought there are other incarnations of it |
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| 18:35.30 | nsadmin | try that |
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| 18:35.44 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: Just a list of referenced files, or which files are referenced and reference back? |
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| 18:36.40 | jhutchins_kc | !tell SpeedyG about mdn |
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| 18:37.29 | no_gravity | utrrrongeeb: referenced files i would say |
| 18:37.40 | jpinx | nsadmin: k - done - thanks ;) |
| 18:38.14 | SpeedyG | thanks jhutchins_kc |
| 18:38.24 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: Is the reference format very specific -- ie always "file: file3.txt", or does it vary a bit? |
| 18:38.25 | dime | hi.. anyone familiar with editting squashfs filesystems? |
| 18:38.36 | dime | specifically, a debian live cd? |
| 18:38.45 | no_gravity | utrrrongeeb: it varies a bit. but for the example, we can assume its always the same. |
| 18:38.50 | SkilZ | CMake Error at cmake/ConkyPlatformChecks.cmake:113 (message): Unable to find mysql.h |
| 18:38.56 | SkilZ | How do I get mysql.h? |
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| 18:39.29 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: What is it? If it's "file: ", the space makes it a little easier to process.... |
| 18:40.19 | no_gravity | utrrrongeeb: well, in reality we dont know if there is a space or not. |
| 18:40.28 | nsadmin | jpinx-not-here, is it working? |
| 18:40.32 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: A colon, then? |
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| 18:41.04 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: And there's no other text after the filename on each line? |
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| 18:42.53 | ompaul | !tell dime -about custom cd |
| 18:43.05 | ompaul | !tell dime -about blends |
| 18:43.18 | ompaul | dime: enjoy reading the stuff from the robot :) |
| 18:43.30 | ompaul | !tell dime -about blend |
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| 18:45.29 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: I'm wondering about adding awk to the pipe... |
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| 18:46.55 | dime | thanks ompaul |
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| 18:49.16 | kristian_ | hey, I think I got it |
| 18:49.21 | ompaul | you're welcome |
| 18:49.30 | kristian_ | I mean, I think I can actually do this installation like I want ot |
| 18:49.33 | kristian_ | to |
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| 18:57.19 | SkilZ | How do I symlink /usr/local/bin/conky to /usr/bin/conky |
| 18:57.39 | valdyn_ | SkilZ: why would you do that? |
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| 18:58.50 | SkilZ | valdyn_: Well I compiled new version with git clone and its in /usr/local/bin now not /usr/bin so when I type'conky' it cantfind it |
| 18:58.53 | no_gravity | utrrrongeeb: there is other text after the filename |
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| 18:59.01 | state | I'm working through setting up a VPS, and I can't figure why curl localhost hangs on connecting to 127.0.0.1 although the server actually works in a browser. My iptables look right, but I can't think of where else to look. Is there something about Xen I'm missing? I know this is almost off topic. |
| 18:59.13 | utrrrongeeb | no_gravity: Is there a space separating them there? |
| 18:59.18 | valdyn_ | SkilZ: the /usr/local/bin should take precedence |
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| 18:59.29 | valdyn_ | SkilZ: linking is not the right solution for this |
| 18:59.40 | SkilZ | valdyn_: What is the solution? |
| 18:59.52 | valdyn_ | SkilZ: maybe you have to "hash -r" |
| 19:00.02 | valdyn_ | SkilZ: look at your $PATH variable |
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| 19:00.10 | Helpme | hey |
| 19:00.24 | valdyn_ | SkilZ: is /usr/local/bin in there *before* /usr/bin ? |
| 19:00.28 | Helpme | any math genius here? |
| 19:00.38 | valdyn_ | !tell Helpme -about ask |
| 19:00.47 | chmod577 | what |
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| 19:01.07 | chmod577 | INB4 "homework helpme" |
| 19:01.19 | Helpme | i need help with this math coursework |
| 19:01.30 | valdyn_ | Helpme: wrong channel, stop it |
| 19:01.37 | Helpme | wheres the right channel |
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| 19:02.05 | state | #math |
| 19:02.18 | SkilZ | valdyn_: hash -r fixed it |
| 19:02.19 | SkilZ | thanks |
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| 19:10.34 | jelly-home | valdyn_: that's the point of local binaries being able to override system ones |
| 19:10.40 | jelly-home | you put them in front |
| 19:11.02 | valdyn_ | jelly-home: sure, that was the whole point |
| 19:11.09 | jelly-home | er. SkilZ ^^ |
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| 19:14.16 | tim2281 | Hello! I have a bug here and I would like to report it but I'm not sure which package it belongs to... |
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| 19:14.56 | daemonkeeper | You could tell more about your problem. |
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| 19:15.07 | tim2281 | The problem is, that after upgrading to debian testing, my wireless keyboard doesn't work any more before I log in to gnome (I'm not able use any key). |
| 19:15.31 | tim2281 | After log in (I use the on screen keyboard) everything works fine. |
| 19:15.33 | tim2281 | Thanks |
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| 19:18.18 | Darkclaw66 | how can I make wget in ftp mode use a certain umask when it is writing the files? I tried setting it in the script itself but it still has no effect; it remains at default 022 |
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| 19:22.24 | kristian_ | I take it I can lose "make" if I'm not going to build stuff...? |
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| 19:24.37 | cajac | Hi all. I have a problem configuring Compiz on Debian Squeeze. I follow the instructions from the debian compiz wiki at http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz. I had to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file since it did not yet exist. But the X server won't restart when the script is there. |
| 19:24.38 | aidalgol | I just installed Windows and it clobbered GRUB. I'm using Debian squeeze, so I think it's using GRUB2. I know how to chroot into my system from a live CD, I just don't know how to reinstall GRUB2. I've only done it with GRUB1. |
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| 19:25.05 | cajac | @aidalgol did you try update-grub ? |
| 19:25.33 | state | Even after iptables -F and iptables -X I can't seem to curl 127.0.0.1 (or the ip of the vps, or the url). Other destinations seem to work. I can't figure out what's in my way |
| 19:25.42 | aidalgol | cajac: No. Do I use that the same way as with GRUB1? |
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| 19:26.17 | cajac | I suppose. I'm a newbie :) |
| 19:26.32 | aidalgol | oh, heh. :P |
| 19:26.42 | aidalgol | I'll take a look at the man page. |
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| 19:29.45 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, i know it's from ubuntu (but it should apply) see the chroot instructions for reinstalling grub2 at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB2 hope it helps. Good luck. |
| 19:30.06 | aidalgol | zykotick9: Thanks! |
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| 19:31.36 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, just a quick FYI but you need to reinstall grub2 to the MBR before update-grub2 will do anything |
| 19:32.05 | aidalgol | zykotick9: Yeah, update-grub is for updating the config files from the contents of the MBR, right? |
| 19:32.39 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, well, updating the config info yes, not really "from the MBR" though - but you have the right idea ;) |
| 19:33.38 | aidalgol | Oh, fudge! Finnix doesn't have any grub tools. |
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| 19:35.10 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, you need to chroot - and i'd guess Finnix should be able to do that. Then use the grub tools from the chroot environment (your real install) |
| 19:35.19 | aidalgol | oh, right. |
| 19:35.20 | aidalgol | duh |
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| 19:36.41 | aidalgol | error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?) |
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| 19:37.05 | aidalgol | That's from running `grub-install hd0' |
| 19:37.09 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, you aren't doing the chroot correctly... |
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| 19:37.16 | aidalgol | Apparently not... |
| 19:38.04 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, you need to mount /proc /dev etc. see that ubuntu page, step 6 covers it - in an odd way |
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| 19:42.37 | aidalgol | for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done #wtf? |
| 19:43.28 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, that does condense 4 mounts down to one line??? |
| 19:43.44 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, i did say "in an odd way" ;) |
| 19:43.51 | aidalgol | Still, rather unclear for a how-to. :P |
| 19:44.30 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, ya - that ubuntu grub2 howto was updated to that, didn't use to be that way. Another decline in ubuntu, no surprises there ;) |
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| 19:45.37 | linduxed | i just got the following error from a perl script |
| 19:45.55 | linduxed | perl: error: Can't locate POSIX.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 |
| 19:46.18 | linduxed | /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 2) line 790. |
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| 19:47.08 | aidalgol | Yay! \o/ I can boot into Debian again! |
| 19:47.18 | linduxed | i assume this is due to perl getting messed up during the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, so my question is: how do i reinstall the entire perl-package-collection to fix this? |
| 19:47.39 | linduxed | should i just purge and install everything that has perl in the name? |
| 19:47.46 | linduxed | or wait, that was a moronic idea |
| 19:48.01 | linduxed | however i'm at a loss for better ones |
| 19:48.08 | linduxed | any ideas? |
| 19:49.16 | nkuttler | linduxed: well install whatever provides POSIX.pm |
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| 19:49.49 | linduxed | nkuttler: aptitude install whatever? |
| 19:49.57 | nkuttler | !tell linduxed about search |
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| 19:50.33 | linduxed | oh sorry, now i get it |
| 19:50.50 | linduxed | didn't catch up on the provides part |
| 19:50.55 | linduxed | yeah, i'll do that |
| 19:51.33 | aidalgol | OK, now I need to configure GRUB to be able to boot Windows. |
| 19:51.45 | ParadoxG_ | does anyone know what device a hardware raid harddrive would show up as? |
| 19:51.51 | linduxed | aidalgol: haha, always that one to fix :-) |
| 19:52.07 | themill | linduxed: weren't you upgrading from squeeze to wheezy earlier? |
| 19:52.20 | ParadoxG_ | the hardware raid is /dev/cciss/c0d0 |
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| 19:58.34 | aidalgol | In which file should I put this code snippet? https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Chain_002dloading.html#Chain_002dloading |
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| 19:59.36 | sajkaca | hi. i m seting samba server and i have some problems with write premisions. this is smb.conf http://pastebin.com/7cDpsvKA |
| 19:59.50 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, update-grub2 doesn't find Windows? That's odd. |
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| 20:00.06 | aidalgol | zykotick9: Oh, I didn't know I could do it that way. |
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| 20:00.43 | zykotick9 | aidalgol, grub2 (when it works) actually makes life pretty easy |
| 20:01.12 | aidalgol | zykotick9: ah, cool! |
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| 20:09.24 | aidalgol | What should the dump and pass parameters be set to in the fstab entry for the Windows (NTFS) partition be? |
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| 20:16.00 | rom1v | hi |
| 20:16.18 | rom1v | I use XFCE, in screensavers, there are a lot of disabled items, because they are not installed |
| 20:16.26 | rom1v | how to install them (which package) ? |
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| 20:17.19 | rom1v | ah, maybe xscreensavers-… |
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| 20:17.49 | Iridos | right :) |
| 20:17.57 | nsadmin | makes sense to me :) |
| 20:18.04 | Iridos | e.g. like -data |
| 20:18.23 | rom1v | hmmm… opengl screensavers are quite slow with Nouveau driver |
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| 20:19.11 | rom1v | and nvidia proprietary driver just does not work |
| 20:19.23 | rom1v | (using module-assistant, I cannot launch X) |
| 20:19.38 | rom1v | with nvidia.run script, it says that it has been compiled with a different version of gcc |
| 20:19.43 | rom1v | (4.5 instead of 4.6) |
| 20:19.50 | rom1v | and have the same problem |
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| 20:23.28 | dashavoo | Hey, I'm having trouble using things dependent on gnome-keyring-daemon on a minimal system using openbox, can anyone suggest which packages I might be missing? |
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| 20:23.42 | nze | i just tried to install nvidia-glx and now X fails to start |
| 20:23.56 | nze | it keeps on trying to load the nv module |
| 20:24.17 | nze | what went wrong? |
| 20:24.18 | cantido | nze: you need to configure it to use nvidia IIRC |
| 20:24.34 | cantido | xorg doesnt just detect the non-free driver and use it |
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| 20:25.11 | nze | cantido: k thx i'll try to see what i can find out |
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| 20:26.02 | PerfDave | !nvidia |
| 20:26.02 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:26.04 | zykotick9 | nze, the "bad" way is to install nvidia-xconfig then run it to create a compatible xorg.conf - there is some bug that affects this however. (it's always work for me personally, but be aware, it's not "recommended") |
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| 20:26.41 | rom1v | I never managed to install proprietary nvidia drivers in debian |
| 20:26.47 | rom1v | always a bug or something |
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| 20:26.54 | albech | hi guys. I have compiled Dspam on a buildbox and wish to move the binaries to my production environment. How can I tell the dependencies of a make? |
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| 20:26.57 | rom1v | but Nouveau is quite good, so for the moment I keep Nouveau |
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| 20:27.22 | cantido | rom1v: do you get va-api support with nouveau? |
| 20:27.29 | rom1v | don't know |
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| 20:27.58 | rom1v | when I say "quite good", I say I can play videos and rendering is ok for desktop (not like with nv) |
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| 20:28.13 | rom1v | someone use nvidia proprietary drivers in sid ? |
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| 20:28.22 | rom1v | my computer doesnot work with them |
| 20:28.28 | nze | zykotick9: thx i'll give it a shot |
| 20:28.34 | rom1v | (it worked fine in ubuntu) |
| 20:28.39 | cantido | rom1v: my atom machine was working with them.. I havent updated it in a week though |
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| 20:28.53 | cantido | rom1v: what do you mean by doesnt work though? |
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| 20:29.04 | nze | rom1v: well i just installed gnome3 from experimental and it kept loading the fallback mode so i figured i'd try with the nvidia drivers |
| 20:29.17 | rom1v | when I boot, I have a black screen |
| 20:29.19 | nze | wasn't really sure what gnome3 was missing.. |
| 20:29.21 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 20:29.25 | rom1v | X doesnot start |
| 20:29.27 | zykotick9 | rom1v, nomodeset |
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| 20:29.38 | rom1v | zykotick9, ? |
| 20:29.55 | zykotick9 | rom1v, it's a kernel parameter you probably need to use |
| 20:30.06 | rom1v | when I tried to install them manually (using nvidia.run), it said that it was not compiled with the same gcc as (the kernel?) |
| 20:30.38 | twobitsprite | is it just me or is perl-base out of synce in squeeze? |
| 20:31.13 | rom1v | I just boot with nomodeset and it will work? |
| 20:31.21 | zykotick9 | rom1v, maybe |
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| 20:32.36 | twobitsprite | er, I mean wheezy |
| 20:32.38 | themill | rom1v: that's one of the reasons not to use the nvidia .run thing |
| 20:32.39 | twobitsprite | :P |
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| 20:34.38 | nze | got it, with beautiful gnome3 now :) |
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| 20:34.58 | nze | cya |
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| 20:35.15 | nze | and thanks! |
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| 20:39.43 | Iridos | they musta run out of ugly gnome3 then |
| 20:40.32 | simonlnu | if beautiful is "not ugly", then i agree |
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| 20:46.22 | Qazjap11 | What is better to find an option (-R for example in grep), --help of man? |
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| 20:47.03 | Iridos | of ---> or ? |
| 20:47.31 | dondelelcaro | Qazjap11: the manpage, generally. |
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| 20:47.49 | dondelelcaro | Qazjap11: though in the case of grep, the info pages might also be of assistance |
| 20:47.55 | Iridos | and the answer is, as usual: "depends" (on the program and what type of documentation they did best)... usually manpage |
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| 20:50.40 | Qazjap11 | dondelelcaro, Iridos, 10x |
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| 20:53.31 | zach23 | I have a script that's going to run all night long on a remote server and I stupidly ran it from my laptop here on a terminal. I want to background it so I did ctlr-z and then %1 & but this just stalled it - how can i background the process? |
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| 20:54.56 | abrotman | and you don't want to restart it ? |
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| 20:55.25 | dorao | not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but how do I move multiple files using lftp? |
| 20:55.38 | dondelelcaro | dorao: mget and mput; help is your friend |
| 20:55.42 | abrotman | mput/mget |
| 20:55.44 | themill | zach23: fg |
| 20:55.56 | dondelelcaro | or bg |
| 20:56.04 | zach23 | themill: okay I did ctrl-Z and then bg 1 and then disown -a and it seems to be running |
| 20:56.21 | zach23 | fg and bg are the same? |
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| 20:56.26 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 20:56.28 | themill | opposites, really |
| 20:56.39 | dorao | dondelelcaro is that the easiest way to do 'mv *.log ../archive/' ? |
| 20:56.49 | zach23 | oh foreground and background |
| 20:56.56 | zach23 | then bg 1 would do it to background it |
| 20:57.10 | dondelelcaro | dorao: no, that's mv. |
| 20:58.11 | dorao | dondelelcaro I meant the equiv. in lftp |
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| 20:58.58 | dorao | seems kind of silly that I need to mget, delete, and mput to do a simple wildcard move |
| 20:59.09 | dorao | (on a ftp server) |
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| 21:02.01 | karlpinc | dorao: You have encountered yet another aspect of why ftp sucks. |
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| 21:07.53 | dorao | karlpinc arg. thanks for confirming |
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| 21:08.39 | mallery | getting the following error while CMAKE 'ing: http://pastebin.com/gaqX4r6w |
| 21:08.43 | mallery | Any help ? |
| 21:09.01 | mallery | how to give CMAKE the path to openCV ? |
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| 21:23.34 | Iridos | is it even installed? (including the -dev package) |
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| 21:24.37 | mallery | Iridos: OpenCV-2.2.0 is installed from source under ~/libs/OpenCV-2.2.0/ |
| 21:25.04 | Iridos | there's a nice debian package for 2.1, though |
| 21:25.25 | mallery | Iridos: I know, but needing 2.2.0 for using a library |
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| 21:26.27 | Iridos | judd, versions libcv-dev |
| 21:26.28 | judd | Package libcv-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.0-6.1; squeeze: 2.1.0-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.1.0-3+squeeze1; sid: 2.1.0-7; wheezy: 2.1.0-7; experimental: 2.3.0-0exp4 |
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| 21:27.28 | mallery | Iridos: I could install 2.3.0-0exp4 from package ? |
| 21:27.51 | Iridos | mallery, what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:28.04 | mallery | squeeze |
| 21:29.18 | mallery | ... or you just tell me how I could give the OpenCV-path to ccmake ? |
| 21:29.19 | Iridos | then you should backport it (compile the package from the source package for squeeze) if you want that and then it can still break things.. usually packages are in experimental because they're not considered safe |
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| 21:30.06 | babilen | mallery: I recommend #cmake |
| 21:30.38 | Iridos | dunno, never used cmake |
| 21:30.43 | Iridos | I can read the docs and tell you |
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| 21:31.25 | Iridos | but that lacks a certain efficiency :) |
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| 21:36.04 | gnarface | anyone got a *current* link to docs on how to use ldap for centralized authentication across a dozen or so boxes? or a link to some better or equivalent alternative i haven't heard of? in the past i've always just used NIS but i'm sick of people making fun of me for it. |
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| 21:39.18 | Iridos | so you'll feel better about people making fun of you for using LDAP? |
| 21:39.50 | Iridos | you've already looked at the links in the ldap factoid? there's one to the debian wiki... |
| 21:40.03 | cajac | I just got compiz working on a debian squeeze laptop. Hurray! |
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| 21:40.54 | loufoque | I want to make a deb package |
| 21:40.55 | Iridos | cajac, ok... now try to configure it to let you switch desktops that are on a 4D hypercube |
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| 21:41.03 | loufoque | how can I run a script at the end of the installation? |
| 21:41.23 | gnarface | Iridos: oh no i didn't know there was one, that's a good place to start, thanks |
| 21:41.26 | gnarface | !ldap |
| 21:41.26 | dpkg | Lightweight Directory Access Protocol (LDAP) is a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. Ask me about <openldap>. http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Ldap #ldap on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:41.36 | cajac | @Iridos I've got that working too :) |
| 21:41.42 | cajac | I used http://www.howtoforge.com/enabling-compiz-fusion-on-a-debian-squeeze-desktop-nvidia-geforce-8200 |
| 21:41.53 | cajac | for my Nvidia GeForce M7000 |
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| 21:42.35 | cajac | I just wanted to tell someone who would actually understand what I just did :) |
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| 21:43.44 | Iridos | cajac, nono, I said 4d hypercube |
| 21:44.33 | cajac | @Iridos that's not ctrl-alt left mouse drag? |
| 21:45.01 | babilen | loufoque: postinst maintainer script -- what are you trying to do? Please note that packaging support is typically in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:45.50 | iluminator101 | permission to pm wols |
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| 21:46.00 | streuner__ | no |
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| 21:46.38 | zykotick9 | Iridos, do you have a like to what this 4d hypercube software is? |
| 21:46.40 | loufoque | babilen: I'm trying to package my software, and it requires running a script at the end of the installation to configure the application according to what other things have been installed |
| 21:46.41 | cajac | @Iridos lol, I was actually looking for a 4d hypercube option |
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| 21:47.01 | streuner | iluminator101: /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:47.04 | zykotick9 | s/like/link/ |
| 21:47.04 | Iridos | cajac, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercube — according to that, I could have also called it a 4-cube ... and I'd start using compiz if it could do this ... just to see if my brain breaks |
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| 21:47.15 | Iridos | zykotick9, it's not a program :) |
| 21:47.15 | streuner | iluminator101: /msg dpkg pm |
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| 21:48.12 | Iridos | oh, or a tesseract |
| 21:48.20 | zykotick9 | Iridos, ya, all i was finding from my search was the science behind hypercubes. So what are you talking about the compiz cube? |
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| 21:48.25 | streuner | iluminator101: Please keep the questions in the channel, thanks. |
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| 21:49.28 | Iridos | zykotick9, it's like a cube, only 4d... you can stick desktops onto the surfaces and you can do 2D projections of it... |
| 21:49.50 | zykotick9 | Iridos, using compiz? |
| 21:49.56 | cajac | lol |
| 21:49.58 | Iridos | zykotick9, oh well... guess we should take this to #debian-offtopic, it's not so very much appropriate for here |
| 21:50.00 | streuner | iluminator101: interfaces |
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| 21:51.11 | Iridos | zykotick9, yeah... THAT'd be cool... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract#Perspective_projections for what I mean |
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| 21:52.11 | streuner | iluminator101: why do you need to talk in private for a simple question like this? |
| 21:53.34 | streuner | iluminator101: just look at the examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
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| 21:55.06 | Iridos | streuner, perhaps illuminati just like to do everything in secret/private :) |
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| 21:56.59 | Pegasus_RPG | hi there. I'm installing from the mini CD image on a USB stick and want it to pull packages from a second USB stick with an lubuntu install image. How can I do that? (My internet connection is slow) |
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| 21:57.44 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, #ubuntu might help with that |
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| 21:58.44 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm a veteran Debian guy. I'm just using Ubuntu for this particular install. That said, Ubuntu's mini CD is essentially the standard debian-installer |
| 21:59.23 | Pegasus_RPG | so rephrasing: how can I get the debian netboot installer to use packages on another USB stick instead of downloading everything again? |
| 21:59.44 | Iridos | lou... |
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| 22:00.08 | streuner | make your own repo? |
| 22:00.25 | streuner | !own repo |
| 22:00.25 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
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| 22:01.19 | Pegasus_RPG | ok, but then how do I tell teh installer to look there? |
| 22:02.01 | redef | iirc you can change the sources in the advanced installer |
| 22:02.08 | streuner | in theory just edit sources.list? |
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| 22:02.14 | wols | you don't. especially not wit a ubuntu image |
| 22:02.50 | streuner | thats the question, what he want install ubuntu or Debian |
| 22:02.55 | l0x_ph1x | what distro ? |
| 22:02.57 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm running it in expert-install mode. But fine, I'll go get the real Debian netinstall. |
| 22:03.03 | Pegasus_RPG | the question remainss |
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| 22:04.17 | redef | you may need to rebuild the CD image with the modified sources.list |
| 22:04.23 | Iridos | even the netinstall can install a basic minimal system... why don't you install that, boot into it and then install stuff from the stick |
| 22:04.41 | cajac | what's the next step after compiz.. for maximum eyecandy? |
| 22:05.33 | redef | cajac: compiz-plugins-basic ? |
| 22:05.56 | streuner | Pegasus_RPG: true what Iridos said, you are able to make your own rep after install process, do you need these package within install process? |
| 22:06.06 | Pegasus_RPG | Iridos: oh that's a good idea |
| 22:06.19 | Pegasus_RPG | ok thanks |
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| 22:07.04 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, as was already pointed out, probably the installer has some option to choose a repo on a harddisk in expert mode... but nobody can tell you what menues to choose where from memory (or even _really_ recall if it really exists) |
| 22:07.26 | zykotick9 | Pegasus_RPG, FYI an apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng repo is fairly easy to setup/use (can be used during net-install when it asks for a proxy) |
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| 22:07.59 | Pegasus_RPG | zykotick9: yeah, I'm thinking about setting that up anyway |
| 22:08.08 | Pegasus_RPG | since it would be good for auto-updates |
| 22:08.20 | Pegasus_RPG | and there are about 5 machines here to be installed |
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| 22:09.31 | Pegasus_RPG | (Would it be sensible to do that on an old Pentium 586-class Celeron with 64MB of RAM if that's all it does?) |
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| 22:10.16 | streuner | not really, 64 GB RAM isnt enough to install Debian. |
| 22:10.24 | l0x_ph1x | MB* :P |
| 22:10.25 | streuner | nowadays |
| 22:10.30 | streuner | yes |
| 22:10.37 | gnarface | i managed a successful install on a machine with 128MB |
| 22:10.48 | gnarface | a squeeze install that is |
| 22:10.49 | streuner | a pain in the ass |
| 22:10.54 | Iridos | I think I wouldn't mind having 64 GB :) |
| 22:10.58 | Pegasus_RPG | needs to find some hardware to dedicate to a cache then |
| 22:11.12 | gnarface | you gotta make sure to add enough swap or apt-cache runs out of space extracting |
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| 22:11.21 | Pegasus_RPG | ah |
| 22:11.42 | gnarface | yea, don't run swapless with that little ram. |
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| 22:12.40 | gnarface | Pegasus_RPG: and if 64MB isn't enough for the installer, it should still be enough to just boot. you might end up having to pull the drive and do a debootstrap into a chroot from another computer to get it set up |
| 22:12.51 | gnarface | Pegasus_RPG: but don't forget swap |
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| 22:14.25 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 22:14.28 | CheatEngine | a friend is having an issue with setting up MySQL. http://i.imgur.com/untGa.png he gets that error. can anyone maybe give me some things he can try |
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| 22:16.43 | gnarface | CheatEngine: is that screenshot of a shell local to the mysql server? by default mysql only answers on localhost... try changing the -h parameter to 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:16.57 | Pegasus_RPG | CheatEngine: I don't know mysql at all, but an error like that in PostgreSQL means you need to edit pg_hba.conf. I.e. grant that host the ability to connect |
| 22:16.57 | koollman | CheatEngine: hmm... he can try the correct password ? is he admin of that server ? |
| 22:17.52 | koollman | CheatEngine: also, why is he using -h at all ? not specifying the host ip might actually work (root might be authorized only from localhost) |
| 22:18.40 | CheatEngine | No, he's trying to connect remotely from another computer and he's not able to connect since the other server won't accept the coonection |
| 22:18.46 | CheatEngine | so with or without -h it still doesn't accept the connection |
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| 22:19.18 | Iridos | CheatEngine, he's not |
| 22:19.43 | CheatEngine | i just copy and pasted what he told me to say Iridos |
| 22:19.47 | themill | CheatEngine: check bind-address in my.cnf; but letting mysql listen on anything other than localhost is madness anyway |
| 22:19.51 | gnarface | CheatEngine: he needs to ssh into the other box and make sure to change the /etc/mysql/my.cnf bind address param (i forget the exact spelling but do as string search for bind address) ... the mysql grant tables may also have to be altered if that user doesn't exist or something |
| 22:20.06 | gnarface | ugh |
| 22:20.13 | gnarface | mysql is getto |
| 22:20.24 | gnarface | will bind to one address or all addresses, but not a specific subset of them |
| 22:20.30 | CheatEngine | bind-address in his.cnf is set to the address of the server |
| 22:20.31 | Iridos | the two IPs match... he's trying to connect to the external interface on the same machine? |
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| 22:20.52 | koollman | CheatEngine: doesn't look like a real remote access ... the host refused and the host he's trying to connect to are the same one ... |
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| 22:21.48 | Iridos | btw... do you realize there's such a thing as normal pastebins and this is a screenshot of a desktop with a shell with 3 lines of text? |
| 22:22.03 | redef | CheatEngine: That error means that his specific host hasn't been granted access for his user |
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| 22:23.07 | redef | see http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/grant.html or the manual specific to his version |
| 22:23.11 | CheatEngine | redef, he says "How do I grant the access for the user?" |
| 22:23.16 | Iridos | the error also says that the IP that isn't allowed to connect is the same as he specified with -h, so he's really trying to connect to localhost (but via the external interface) |
| 22:23.18 | koollman | CheatEngine: anyway ... log onto that server, as root, and then : mysql --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ; then in the mysql shell: select host from mysql.user where user='root' ; |
| 22:23.35 | koollman | and ... if he does not know, he really should not grant access :) |
| 22:23.45 | gnarface | this should really have all been set up at the time of mysql install |
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| 22:24.02 | themill | and mysql listening on anything other than localhost is insanity |
| 22:24.30 | redef | CheatEngine: It will be something along the lines of "GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE ON mydatabase.* TO 'username'@'the clients ip address';" |
| 22:24.30 | themill | s/listen.*is // |
| 22:24.32 | gnarface | themill: is sometimes inescapable, but i agree that the port should never face the public internet |
| 22:24.37 | koollman | themill: :) |
| 22:25.03 | namtorba | wonders if he stumbled into #mysql |
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| 22:25.09 | gnarface | ha |
| 22:25.32 | gnarface | Pegasus_RPG: nobody has this problem with mysql unless they fail to follow the instructions on install |
| 22:25.43 | themill | gnarface: which it is :( |
| 22:25.54 | CheatEngine | my friend got it working |
| 22:25.58 | CheatEngine | he says thanks everyone :) |
| 22:26.26 | CheatEngine | especially redef lol, he says he loves you |
| 22:26.34 | redef | ^^ |
| 22:26.56 | themill | Congratulations for solving the wrong problem. |
| 22:27.11 | CheatEngine | lol^ ik i told him about that |
| 22:27.15 | CheatEngine | hes just like idc |
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| 22:27.36 | Iridos | themill, can't be choosy... |
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| 22:28.01 | Pegasus_RPG | lol |
| 22:29.13 | Iridos | always the same... you set out to solve the problem of hunger and poverty in the world... and you end up with something against hair-loss |
| 22:29.32 | gnarface | to be fair, that thing against hair loss works really freaking well |
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| 22:30.45 | gnarface | can't stop world hunger until we stop the civil wars that keep causing it |
| 22:30.58 | linusoleander | Anyone knows how to figure out what version of Debian I'm running? |
| 22:31.12 | gnarface | linusoleander: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 22:31.22 | redef | linusoleander: cat /etc/issue |
| 22:31.28 | linusoleander | Yeah! |
| 22:31.32 | linusoleander | gnarface: Thanks! |
| 22:31.45 | gnarface | linusoleander: np. /etc/issue looks like the longer form of the name |
| 22:32.00 | linusoleander | Both worked perfect |
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| 22:32.08 | streuner | really? |
| 22:32.22 | linusoleander | How do I know if Im running 64 or 32 bit ? |
| 22:32.23 | gnarface | streuner: well on my system /etc/issue is longer at least. |
| 22:32.38 | gnarface | linusoleander: uname -a |
| 22:32.46 | Pegasus_RPG | linusoleander: uname -a ifyou see amd64, you're on 64 bit |
| 22:32.53 | themill | perhaps |
| 22:33.00 | linusoleander | THanks |
| 22:33.11 | streuner | amset:/var/lib/dpkg# cat /etc/issue |
| 22:33.11 | streuner | Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l |
| 22:33.18 | streuner | and its sid... |
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| 22:33.49 | li | x86_64, not amd64 |
| 22:34.07 | Pegasus_RPG | er right |
| 22:34.26 | Iridos | more like apt-cache policy ... if you see lots of "i386"... |
| 22:34.43 | Iridos | vs seeing lots of amd64 |
| 22:34.52 | ircguy | yo guys, I am having some trouble with a samba share, it's supposed to be wide-open and another configured the same way works fine (I can add/delete files from it), but this one I can't...only difference is this one is not on the root partition, it's a mounted ext4 partition on a separate drive. Any ideas? |
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| 22:35.07 | themill | hands Iridos a dpkg --print-architecture |
| 22:35.27 | Iridos | hehe |
| 22:35.34 | Iridos | themill, B.O.R.I.N.G |
| 22:35.48 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:36.23 | Iridos | themill, also more to type |
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| 22:36.53 | gnarface | ircguy: its been a long time but i vaguely remember there being an important and only vaguely referenced issue in the samba docs - but basically the underlying filesystem still has to allow write access for that user |
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| 22:37.38 | Iridos | ircguy, ideas like "check your logs"? |
| 22:37.46 | ircguy | logs have not been helpful at all |
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| 22:37.54 | ircguy | but yes, I have checked them |
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| 22:38.02 | ircguy | gnarface: thanks, I'll check the mount options |
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| 22:38.24 | bronaugh | hey, random strange question. if one mounts a filesystem 'nosuid', does this affect setgid directories? or does it only affect execution of files with those perms? |
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| 22:38.36 | bronaugh | -guessing- it'd affect both but figured I'd ask. |
| 22:38.36 | gnarface | ircguy: samba blows. use anything else at all if you can. |
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| 22:39.17 | ircguy | lol, well, I really don't know what other options I have here...backing up images from Windows servers to this Debian box |
| 22:39.55 | streuner | backuppc? |
| 22:40.18 | gnarface | ircguy: well for starters if you have the backup box connect to the windows boxes to automate slurping up the backup, instead of the other way around, then you can at least only worry about the samba *client* setup (which is far less painful than setting up samba services) |
| 22:40.27 | streuner | well, backuppc supports windows and Debian, IIRC |
| 22:40.36 | gnarface | ircguy: but other things that come to mind: nfs, scp... |
| 22:40.53 | gnarface | ircguy: nc+tar... |
| 22:41.42 | bronaugh | ok so fwiw, just did an experiment. nosuid doesn't affect setgid directories. |
| 22:41.42 | streuner | Do you want only cp files or just backup them? |
| 22:41.55 | ircguy | scp might work, but wouldn't I need cygwin to do that from the Windows box? We already invested in Acronis Backup & Recovery 10 Virtual Edition for the backups, I just need to reach the network storage |
| 22:42.42 | Iridos | bronaugh, make a small image, mount with -o loop and try? |
| 22:42.43 | gnarface | ircguy: no there are open source win32 scp/ssh implementations. check out putty. putty's scp implementation is dog fucking slow but at least then you'd only have to go through ONE layer of authentication on the linux box, and it would be the one that is the most well supported |
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| 22:43.15 | ircguy | gnarface: putty can maintain a persistent connection through reboots? |
| 22:43.35 | ircguy | I typically use WinSCP for one-time transfers |
| 22:43.50 | Iridos | bronaugh, or read "man mount": nosuid Do not allow set-user-identifier or set-group-identifier bits to take effect. |
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| 22:44.27 | gnarface | ircguy: no it doesn't work that way. you set it up to only connect when its actually transferring data. doesn't windows have some way to set up cron jobs? win2k called them system tasks or system helpers or some shit |
| 22:44.28 | Pegasus_RPG | ok, I've got a minimal system installed. If I just drop a bunch of .debs into /var/cache/apt/archives, how can I tell apt to regenerate pkgcache.bin? |
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| 22:45.02 | Pegasus_RPG | gnarface: "Scheduled Tasks" under Accessories->System Tools :) |
| 22:45.02 | ircguy | gnarface: yeah, I think so. Sounds messy though, I'd really like to just figure out why samba can't write to this partition. |
| 22:45.07 | gnarface | dies a little bit inside every time he hears someone "invested" in some commercial backup software |
| 22:45.41 | gnarface | ircguy: its likely to be a permissions issue related to something on the filesystem/pam auth side that the samba docs just failed to make clear for you/assumed you'd just know by default. samba blows. |
| 22:47.08 | Iridos | ircguy, from the client side smbclient -v -v -v or somesuch can give you better error messages than smbmount et al |
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| 22:47.09 | bronaugh | Iridos: yeah, and that's incorrect. |
| 22:47.29 | bronaugh | Iridos: those bits still have an effect in the case of setgid directories. see above regarding my experiment. |
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| 22:48.32 | Pegasus_RPG | does apt-get update see the new packages in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 22:48.44 | Iridos | bronaugh, then I'd bet setuid directories, too... having the nosuid option only affect program execution makes a lot of sense if you think of it as a security feature |
| 22:48.53 | bronaugh | Iridos: most likely, yes. |
| 22:49.43 | Iridos | can't think of anything you could do with a setuid directory |
| 22:49.55 | bronaugh | yeah. |
| 22:50.00 | bronaugh | well; whatever. |
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| 22:50.06 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: no. apt-get update doesn't look at that location at all |
| 22:50.15 | bronaugh | be nice if docs were more accurate on that particular point. |
| 22:50.18 | Iridos | bronaugh, you could file a bug against the documentation, though... it's a bit unspecific |
| 22:50.24 | bronaugh | yeah. |
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| 22:51.26 | Iridos | ok... gnight |
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| 22:52.46 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: so I must make a proper repo then |
| 22:53.17 | themill | !wayttd Pegasus_RPG |
| 22:53.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Pegasus_RPG? |
| 22:54.09 | Pegasus_RPG | prevent having to redownload all of these packages I got when I installed one system. (I copied the entire /var/cache/apt to a USB stick in the hopes that I can use it again) |
| 22:54.44 | Pegasus_RPG | I know, the proper thing isto set up apt-cache, but I can't do that now |
| 22:55.08 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: so these are packages that are already listed in a Packages file that you have previously obtained with apt-get update? |
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| 22:55.19 | Pegasus_RPG | correct |
| 22:55.36 | themill | then just drop them in that directory, nothing further to do |
| 22:55.45 | Pegasus_RPG | oh ok |
| 22:55.59 | Pegasus_RPG | you just said apt- won't see them tho |
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| 22:56.48 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: no, I said that they were irrelevant to apt-get update. |
| 22:57.48 | gnarface | ircguy: you still here? it occurs to me i vaguely recall the last time i set up a samba file/print share on a linux box for a windows user roommate i eventually fixed the issues with some process that i believe involved giving the windows user both a normal linux (pam) username AND THE SAME samba username, and then giving them the same passwords and making sure his samba share was on a directory his pam user ALSO had write access |
| 22:57.49 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.55 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: all apt-get update does is download Packages files that tell it what packages are available in various places. Whether they are on the mirror or in its local cache no-one knows until you try to install them. |
| 22:59.07 | Pegasus_RPG | so I shouldn't worrywhen an operation still says "need to get 215MB/280MB of archives"? |
| 22:59.14 | Pegasus_RPG | coz I'd expect that to be far less |
| 22:59.20 | gnarface | Pegasus_RPG: that's nothing |
| 22:59.33 | gnarface | Pegasus_RPG: the debian distro spans like a dozen disks |
| 22:59.47 | epsilon | local debian mirror ftw |
| 22:59.53 | gnarface | ^^^ |
| 22:59.56 | Pegasus_RPG | ugh I know but on a 1mbit connection that'll take awhile especiallt considering I already have the damn things! |
| 22:59.58 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: if the .debs are there then it will use them, if not it will still need to fetch them. You can use -s to have it tell you what it's doing to do |
| 23:00.10 | gnarface | Pegasus_RPG: get a coffee. take a deep breath |
| 23:00.11 | Pegasus_RPG | ok thanks |
| 23:01.34 | streuner | gnarface: s/coffee/tea/ :-P |
| 23:01.48 | nsadmin | gnarface, that seems to imply that on the samba server machine, there is both a samba login and a unix login going on at the same time? |
| 23:01.55 | gnarface | streuner: sorry i forget that we're not all Yanks here |
| 23:02.27 | streuner | gnarface: nah, coffee isnt something which is very relaxing at all :-) |
| 23:02.27 | gnarface | nsadmin: i was never really clear on it, but yea i think so.... it was a PITA |
| 23:02.42 | ircguy | gnarface: makes sense...although my two shares are configured exactly the same way in samba, and I can write to the one on the root partition |
| 23:02.43 | gnarface | streuner: you know tea has more caffeine right? |
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| 23:02.52 | ircguy | gnarface: I'll try it anyway |
| 23:02.53 | nsadmin | I guess one thing it could have been, |
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| 23:03.09 | gnarface | ircguy: just shooting in the dark here. i gave up on samba long ago |
| 23:03.35 | gnarface | ircguy: clearly from samba's perspective there is *SOME* important difference between those two shares |
| 23:03.35 | nsadmin | was when connecting, a samba daemon fires up and runs as the named user |
| 23:04.10 | ircguy | gnarface: yeah, I don't know that it's samba though, I think it has something to do with the underlying filesystem permissions or mount options or *something* |
| 23:04.32 | gnarface | nsadmin: it might depend on HOW you set up the samba share. i was trying to preserve seperation of user-level access for multiple users. if all the users could have global access to the samba shares maybe it would be simpler to set up |
| 23:04.33 | ircguy | nsadmin: mine runs as nobody and nobody has permissions on the ext4 partition |
| 23:04.50 | gnarface | ircguy: also maybe after you make changes samba might have to be restarted? i don't know for sure but don't forget to try |
| 23:05.01 | ircguy | bad users are mapped to guest |
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| 23:05.49 | gnarface | ircguy: you can write to that partition with a local linux user right? someone ssh'd into the box can create and copy files to that partition right? |
| 23:06.06 | gnarface | ircguy: cause if not, your problem is definitely before samba |
| 23:06.14 | ircguy | gnarface: yeah I can as root, I'll try as ircguy here |
| 23:06.24 | ircguy | er no I won't, different machine lol |
| 23:13.09 | ircguy | gnarface: ok, so I created a new user on the debian box, connected to the share using that user ID and pass...still can't write to it |
| 23:13.16 | ircguy | er wait, didn't change the fs permissions |
| 23:13.17 | ircguy | sec |
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| 23:15.10 | TroziOo | hello, il y a un peter dans la salle ??! |
| 23:15.28 | gnarface | TroziOo: is that spanish? |
| 23:15.35 | bronaugh | french. |
| 23:15.43 | gnarface | !debian-fr |
| 23:15.43 | dpkg | [debian-fr] an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 23:15.47 | gnarface | hmm |
| 23:15.54 | gnarface | there's a channel for french users right? |
| 23:15.55 | TroziOo | yes french, i search my friend peter |
| 23:16.12 | streuner | dpkg, seen peter |
| 23:16.12 | dpkg | peter <~peter@78.144.230.7> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 126d 1h 10m 51s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 23:16.22 | ircguy | haha |
| 23:16.25 | gnarface | nice |
| 23:16.25 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:16.29 | ircguy | that is a long troll setup |
| 23:17.07 | TroziOo | peter is this real name ;) |
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| 23:17.51 | themill | TroziOo: perhaps you wanted #defocus for a social chat. |
| 23:18.03 | TroziOo | ok byez |
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| 23:48.54 | RusticCoder | Running: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 23:48.54 | RusticCoder | iptables working on my local network without port forwarding from my router. As soon as I allow port forwarding to my Debian server the iptables rules stop working. |
| 23:48.54 | RusticCoder | Any ideas? How can I trace or debug. TX |
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| 23:50.00 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 23:51.07 | nsadmin | RusticCoder, apparantly you can add log rules |
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| 23:51.36 | nsadmin | how do you go about "allow port forwarding"? |
| 23:51.43 | RusticCoder | I have log rules added. How do I get them to show up in the syslogs? |
| 23:52.10 | nsadmin | that part I don;'t know |
| 23:52.10 | RusticCoder | I allow port forwarding by logging into my router and add the appropriate rules. |
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| 23:52.53 | nsadmin | so the port forwarding rules were designed separately from the overall firewall rules |
| 23:53.07 | nsadmin | you might look into how they can be combined |
| 23:53.20 | nsadmin | so that it' |
| 23:53.27 | nsadmin | is one design |
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| 23:53.50 | elik | I'm using debian as a router (wlan0 and eth0 bridged and masquareded on ppp0) and one of my hosts (just this one) is having a hard time accessing some websites. I have this feeling it might be a MTU issue (reading on that, it seems like it hasn't always been trivial...) but I'm not sure (ifconfig shows a proper mtu for the pppoe link) |
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| 23:54.40 | nsadmin | when you say "having trouble"... can you say more about that? |
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| 23:55.43 | elik | basically, the page won't load |
| 23:55.53 | elik | stucks on wainting for website |
| 23:56.13 | elik | sniffing the interface, there's a hell of a lot of noise |
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| 23:56.34 | elik | It's on wireless |
| 23:56.52 | elik | But the really odd thing is that another laptop on wifi can access it |
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| 23:58.28 | elik | at first I thought it might have been iptables, but accepting everything didn't solve the issue |
| 23:58.50 | foul_owl | if I have a bunch of files owned by bob, and i create an tar gzip archive of those files using the --same-owner option, what happens when i try and extract that archive on a system that has no user "bob" ? |
| 23:59.02 | *** join/#debian repson (~repson@95.88.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 23:59.34 | elik | foul_owl: I'm not sure, but I'd think it would assign it to the user with the same UID |
