| 00:00.05 | nfengone | civillian: the result is the same: get pxelinux.0 is ok. |
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| 00:01.04 | somiaj | Schalken: you should be able to get away with 10-15gigs for root+home (I'm using 6.5gigs on my root fs). I personally woudln't mount it as /home, but I'd make a mountpoint for it elsewhere for the majority of your personal data. But I'd say with 20gigs you'll have more than enough space for debian's os with space to spare |
| 00:01.08 | jason404 | somiaj: actually, there is nothing about last connection time, motd, etc, in /etc/profile, and there is nothing in profile.d here |
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| 00:01.42 | somiaj | jason404: it might be a part of the login() call then. |
| 00:02.25 | jason404 | somiaj: do you know where that is ? |
| 00:02.27 | civillian | nfengone: you should run a packet trace for the pxe boot process and compare with a local session |
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| 00:07.27 | gnarface | argh |
| 00:07.40 | gnarface | can iptables give a NAT 2 gateways? |
| 00:07.50 | gnarface | specifying -d twice isn't working |
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| 00:11.32 | nfengone | civillian: Ok. Tracing... |
| 00:13.38 | nfengone | civillian: Result: |
| 00:13.54 | nfengone | civillian: tcpdump -s 0 -n -e -x -vvv -r ~/tmp/dump1.pcap | grep pxelinux |
| 00:14.16 | nfengone | BF Option 67, length 10: "pxelinux.0" |
| 00:14.27 | nfengone | 192.168.2.11.2070 > 192.168.2.1.69: [udp sum ok] 28 RRQ "pxelinux.0M-^?" octet tsize 0 |
| 00:14.38 | nfengone | 192.168.2.11.2071 > 192.168.2.1.69: [udp sum ok] 33 RRQ "pxelinux.0M-^?" octet blksize 1456 |
| 00:15.01 | nfengone | civillian: 192.168.2.11 = my PC |
| 00:15.24 | nfengone | 192.168.2.1 = my MacBook |
| 00:16.09 | nfengone | civillian: Need more? |
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| 00:34.24 | white_magic | hi, i'm trying to install debian on top of an existing ubuntu install (with win7 as part of the dual boot environment) using netinst. Everything's been going well until I came to the bit where I have to install GRUB. I tried the default option of installing it onto /dev/sda and it just fails with 'fatal error', every time. Any ideas? |
| 00:35.14 | fenugreek | white_magic: worst case you can fix it afterwards |
| 00:35.41 | white_magic | hmm well i already tried using knoppix live.. |
| 00:35.43 | pfred1 | white_magic where did you install grub for ubuntu? |
| 00:36.01 | fenugreek | white_magic: tried using knoppix live to do what? |
| 00:36.12 | white_magic | fenu: to fix grub |
| 00:36.28 | white_magic | pfred1: i don't remember where i installed grub with ubuntu - i just selected some default option |
| 00:36.29 | pfred1 | white_magic did you mount root chroot? |
| 00:36.36 | fenugreek | white_magic: tried? |
| 00:36.46 | white_magic | pfred1: i tried and got an error, something like 'could not exec /bin/bash' |
| 00:37.20 | pfred1 | white_magic doesn't sound like it worked too well for you |
| 00:37.32 | white_magic | no, i guess it did not |
| 00:37.46 | white_magic | i still have backups of everything, not that there was anything important to back up anyway |
| 00:37.48 | pfred1 | slackware floppies used to give the command to do it was a nice feature |
| 00:38.22 | white_magic | do you have any idea how to resolve the not being able to load/execute /bin/bash on the linux partition? |
| 00:38.36 | pfred1 | white_magic maybe you should find out what the correct chroot command is that you are going to need in order to fix your problem? |
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| 00:39.06 | white_magic | hmm well i followed several guides |
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| 00:40.49 | pfred1 | used to happen to me all the time using lilo and updating my kernel |
| 00:41.21 | white_magic | so what is there to keep in mind then? i tried mounting the linux partition (the main, not swap), then to chroot to the mounted partition.. |
| 00:41.52 | white_magic | something like 'chroot /mnt/debian' |
| 00:42.05 | pfred1 | white_magic used to was like 10 years ago |
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| 00:42.25 | pfred1 | you're lucky I still even remember the command |
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| 00:56.47 | linux-fox | hi ,all |
| 00:59.41 | pingveno | How do I update debian_defaults besides manually editing it? |
| 01:00.02 | pingveno | Is there a specific command? |
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| 01:04.03 | simonlnu | no. you use the package |
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| 01:05.01 | simonlnu | the package does it. no command, nothing. |
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| 01:09.23 | white_magic | oh mah gawd.. it worx! |
| 01:09.35 | pfred1 | white_magic you figured out chroot? |
| 01:09.45 | white_magic | no, i figured out grub :D |
| 01:09.46 | white_magic | thanks to this guide: http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150600 |
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| 01:10.11 | white_magic | well.. i don't know if have grub set up properly.. but i manuall entered commands into and booted into debian for the first time evarrr |
| 01:10.41 | white_magic | so beautiful.. |
| 01:10.43 | pfred1 | white_magic did you have menu entries for your other OS? |
| 01:10.44 | white_magic | wipes tear |
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| 01:10.57 | white_magic | well, no |
| 01:11.41 | pfred1 | I never did it but I thought that was how it was supposed to work |
| 01:11.54 | pfred1 | maybe you chainloaded? |
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| 01:12.13 | white_magic | all i did was specify my ext4 partition as the root partition |
| 01:12.29 | pfred1 | try running update-grub |
| 01:12.33 | white_magic | i shall do so! |
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| 01:12.38 | pfred1 | maybe it'll fix it right |
| 01:15.19 | white_magic | ze experiment has been successful! |
| 01:15.36 | white_magic | i'd like to thank first and foremost all the friends who have supported me, then Jesus, then Google |
| 01:15.36 | pfred1 | update-grub did the trick? |
| 01:15.41 | white_magic | and, of course, PFRED1 |
| 01:15.44 | white_magic | bows |
| 01:15.48 | white_magic | yes, it did |
| 01:16.05 | pfred1 | yeah usually if you can successfully boot to your root partition it is best to perform another fix then |
| 01:16.13 | white_magic | i like how clean default debian is compared to default ubuntu |
| 01:16.30 | white_magic | but i do wonder.. what is responsible for the problems i had with GRUB? |
| 01:16.31 | pfred1 | that is debian's biggest claim to fame it starts out clean |
| 01:16.36 | white_magic | :) |
| 01:16.50 | white_magic | if i recall correctly, i might have skipped the grub installation bit the first time i tried installing debian |
| 01:17.01 | pfred1 | unfortunately some parts of it are a bit too clean to make life very easy all of the time |
| 01:17.10 | white_magic | i wasn't paying attention (i had it selected earlier, but disconnected the internet, so grub install stopped) |
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| 01:17.47 | white_magic | that's ok, it's never mind installing extra things |
| 01:17.55 | pfred1 | it seems I've run across yet another place debian in their infinite wisdom decided to leave out of their kernel |
| 01:18.06 | white_magic | what do you mean? |
| 01:18.40 | pfred1 | white_magic hope you never have to find out |
| 01:18.47 | pingveno | How do I update debian_defaults? |
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| 01:20.07 | white_magic | and yet.. netinst came with openoffice and the like.. |
| 01:20.08 | pfred1 | white_magic Starting Open Sound System: failed (No kernel modules detected). |
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| 01:20.17 | white_magic | oh no! that sounds like a bad one |
| 01:20.31 | white_magic | i guess i should not have installed the default system tools bit |
| 01:20.36 | pfred1 | white_magic it hasn't exactly put a smile on my face |
| 01:21.25 | white_magic | i bet. i have been through pain to make my x-fi sound card work back in the day, on ubuntu |
| 01:21.27 | white_magic | so does sudo not work by default on debian? |
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| 01:21.52 | pfred1 | white_magic su root then run visudo add yourself |
| 01:21.59 | white_magic | i see |
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| 01:22.27 | kurt_h | hey, wondering if someone can drop some networking knowledge on me. i've got two network interfaces: one wired, one wireless. at first, wired is connected, wireless is off. then i bring up the wireless with a different ip address, and *unplug* the wired connection. why can i still connect to my machine using the wired connection's ip address? |
| 01:22.51 | pfred1 | kurt_h because you're special |
| 01:22.55 | kurt_h | hmm |
| 01:23.19 | pfred1 | kurt_h i had a similar situation and when I disconnected the wire i got nothing |
| 01:23.41 | pfred1 | finally got that all sorted out |
| 01:24.07 | sailerboy | kurt_h, the router assigns an ip address lease to the computer |
| 01:24.19 | sailerboy | maybe the wireless adapter is claiming the lease |
| 01:24.31 | sailerboy | although i thought it was done by mac address |
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| 01:24.40 | sailerboy | pfred1, what happens if you use static ip addresses? |
| 01:24.49 | kurt_h | actually i had the wired ip as static. |
| 01:24.53 | pfred1 | sailerboy I don't know i use dhcp |
| 01:24.59 | kurt_h | the wireless ip was assigned with dhcp |
| 01:25.15 | sailerboy | weird |
| 01:25.25 | white_magic | how do i go to command mode in vi? i thought it was escape? |
| 01:25.25 | sailerboy | kurt_h, try using the wireless as static and see what happens |
| 01:25.35 | sailerboy | white_magic, that's what i've always used |
| 01:25.45 | white_magic | well it doesn't work in visudo, it seems |
| 01:25.56 | kurt_h | oh wait, no the wireless was static, too, but different from the wired. hmm |
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| 01:26.07 | pfred1 | sailerboy turns out what I had to do was delete the first wireless network in Networkmanager then it picked up my hidden wireless network |
| 01:26.33 | pfred1 | sailerboy I found the entire process rather windowsesque |
| 01:27.23 | sailerboy | pfred1, i'm sure it's possible to do that programatically |
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| 01:27.48 | acidchild | white_magic: escape would be correct. |
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| 01:28.03 | pfred1 | sailerboy the best fix is always the simplest the accomplished the task |
| 01:28.09 | acidchild | white_magic: export EDITOR=nano ? |
| 01:28.15 | acidchild | save you're self the headache. |
| 01:28.22 | pfred1 | that accomplishes even |
| 01:29.13 | pfred1 | my visudo works OK and I'm not the biggest vi fan on earth |
| 01:29.20 | kurt_h | does debian have an ip cache or something? even if the router is sending the packets to my machine with the wired ip, shouldn't it see that that interface is down and ignore them? |
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| 01:30.04 | h2n2 | I've been reading the Unstable wiki and have come to these conclusions: 1) No security repo for sid. 2)only 1 repo required, and that's sid/unstable (2, if i want the sources). Is this correct? |
| 01:30.16 | MSTRCNVS | Where are the gnome printers configuration files located at the home directory? |
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| 01:31.02 | pfred1 | kurt_h with stuff like avahi-daemon and networkmanager going on it is hard to say just what is going on anymore |
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| 01:33.31 | kurt_h | i don't have networkmanager installed, and no processes with 'avahi' in the command, although i do have some avahi libraries installed |
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| 01:33.53 | pfred1 | kurt_h dang how'd you manage to escape all of the helpers? |
| 01:33.54 | kurt_h | oh well, it's not a huge deal. i was mostly just curious |
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| 01:34.16 | kurt_h | i just use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:34.37 | pfred1 | kurt_h I'm trying to live with them now myself because i sort of like networkmanager's bars deal on my taskbar |
| 01:35.02 | pfred1 | kurt_h but I used ot purge them to simplify matters somewhat |
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| 01:35.31 | kurt_h | pfred1: i looked at networkmanager in aptitude, saw all the dependencies and said, nah, i'll do it the old way |
| 01:35.49 | pfred1 | kurt_h yeah because when it is going the old way is right out the window |
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| 01:36.08 | bburhanz` | loooooooooooooooooooooool |
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| 01:36.17 | pfred1 | kurt_h I got mine working right now not that I have much of a clue as to how I managed it |
| 01:36.52 | bburhanz` | !help |
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| 01:37.40 | bburhanz` | where can i find fuck? |
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| 01:37.46 | mooglenorph | Hi all. Can someone recommend a command-line audio player with an ncurses interface that works well with pulseaudio? |
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| 01:37.54 | kurt_h | bburhanz`: craigslist? |
| 01:38.04 | mooglenorph | I've tried herrie (debian stable) but it doesn't seem to want to output to pulse. |
| 01:38.22 | bburhanz` | mooglenorph, lol |
| 01:38.41 | boudiccas | mooglenorph; debian stable is sqieeze |
| 01:38.46 | boudiccas | squeeze |
| 01:38.50 | bburhanz` | mooglenorph, you don't need one. use a GUI |
| 01:40.01 | pfred1 | mooglenorph I'm in the middle of trying to get my audio to work how i want it to |
| 01:40.44 | pfred1 | pulse is garbage |
| 01:41.17 | mooglenorph | I have an external USB soundcard/headphone amp. As far as I can tell, hotplugging it with just alsa doesn't work. |
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| 01:41.40 | linux_user | Hey did you guys hear KDE 4.7 came out? http://kde.org/info/4.7.0.php |
| 01:41.44 | pfred1 | I have to get alsa oss emulation to work I think |
| 01:42.04 | pfred1 | linux_user KDE lost my at 3.5 |
| 01:42.22 | pfred1 | me even |
| 01:42.34 | mooglenorph | switching soundcards "just worked" with pulse, which is really the only reason I have it installed. |
| 01:43.05 | pfred1 | mooglenorph I only have one and it isn't "just working" with the one thing I want it to work with Quake |
| 01:43.07 | kurt_h | mooglenorph: mpg123 is a decent ncurses mp3 player. first link from googling -mpg123 pulseaudio- seems to indicate it works: http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-list@redhat.com/msg15518.html |
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| 01:43.33 | kurt_h | don't know how many other formats it supports, though |
| 01:44.07 | kurt_h | anyway, i'm out. later |
| 01:44.11 | pfred1 | I've gotten Quake to work on two other systems but so far no joy with this laptop |
| 01:44.29 | mooglenorph | I looked at mpg123... it doesn't have an ncurses filebrowser/playlist management, as far as I can tell. |
| 01:45.18 | pfred1 | mooglenorph why do you need a console based player low latency? |
| 01:46.12 | mooglenorph | pfred1: I don't need low latency, just something that outputs to pulse. I've tried a couple console players (cplay and herrie) and I can't get them to work with alsa emulation from pulse, or pulse directly. |
| 01:46.26 | mooglenorph | I only have pulse so I can switch to my USB soundcard easily and on the fly. |
| 01:47.05 | pfred1 | can't just modprobe the drivers you need huh? |
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| 01:47.32 | mooglenorph | That seemed to cause some sort of weird conflict. |
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| 01:48.01 | mooglenorph | Maybe I just didn't try hard enough to switch on the fly with bare alsa |
| 01:48.13 | pfred1 | I hear that nothing I do seems to want to get me a /dev/dsp |
| 01:48.16 | mooglenorph | But with pulse all I have to do is click a thing and it switches. |
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| 01:48.50 | pfred1 | right now it is looking like debian left the oss drivers out of the kernel entirely |
| 01:49.07 | mooglenorph | So I've just been doing mplayer * on my album directories, which works fine, but sometimes I'd like to futz around with my playlist, if only a little. |
| 01:49.17 | pfred1 | I'm not 100% sure that is the case but it sure is looking like it is |
| 01:49.32 | mooglenorph | What kind of sound card do you have? |
| 01:49.44 | pfred1 | mplayer will take files out of a text list |
| 01:49.55 | pfred1 | intelhd |
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| 01:50.10 | mooglenorph | yeah, me too. my sound works fine with squeeze. |
| 01:50.21 | pfred1 | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 01:50.37 | mooglenorph | Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 01:50.41 | pfred1 | mooglenorph some of my sound does anything that needs a /dev/dsp doesn't |
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| 01:51.00 | mooglenorph | pfred1: oh, fair. sorry, didn't get the distinction for a bit there. |
| 01:51.05 | pfred1 | mooglenorph so as far as I'm concerned it isn't working |
| 01:51.11 | mooglenorph | nods |
| 01:51.41 | pfred1 | my next move will to be to build a kernel from vanilla source see how that goes |
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| 01:51.50 | mooglenorph | pfred1: good luck :-\ |
| 01:52.03 | pfred1 | nah no luck just annoying |
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| 02:03.48 | abrotman | wonders why it matters |
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| 02:08.01 | pfred1 | what'd I miss? |
| 02:08.07 | OldParr | i am triying to upgrade from lenny 2.6.26-2-686 and i get some errors -> http://paste.debian.net/127442/ |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | what in the hell ... |
| 02:09.26 | OldParr | well not errors, but i do not get my system upgraded to squeeze |
| 02:09.37 | somiaj | OldParr: it doesn't appear that you have updated your sources.list to squeeze |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | OldParr: uhm, you're supposed to chnage your sources before you do that :) |
| 02:09.59 | somiaj | OldParr: you are still using lenny sources, did you modify /etc/apt/sources.list and replace lenny with squeeze before doing that upgrade |
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| 02:10.05 | pfred1 | don't forget to aptitude update too |
| 02:10.32 | somiaj | I really should learn aptitude, I've just used apt-get for so long its second nature |
| 02:10.51 | pfred1 | aptitude can be a little nicer for some things |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | pfred1: not needed anymore |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | or not supposed to be needed anyway |
| 02:11.11 | pfred1 | abrotman gee what a shocker more stale out of dae documentation |
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| 02:11.32 | somiaj | for an upgrade I woudln't expect much difference, but isn't there still a small difference in dependency intelligence when installing new stuff? |
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| 02:12.20 | abrotman | somiaj: the aptitude dependency resolver can cause issues with a full dist-upgrade |
| 02:12.25 | somiaj | OldParr: also you'll want to do a dist-upgrade (as opposed to an upgrade since squeeze will have to remove/add some dependences as packages have changed) |
| 02:12.31 | abrotman | especially if you odn't loook through the options it provides |
| 02:13.06 | pfred1 | somiaj yeah I did mine not right upstairs now when I get around to it I'm going to have to reinstall it |
| 02:13.27 | pfred1 | udev on it is totally hashed |
| 02:13.36 | abrotman | wtf .. reinstall? newoob |
| 02:13.51 | pfred1 | abrotman yeah yo uwaste your time |
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| 02:13.57 | Hydroxide | zomg |
| 02:14.01 | Hydroxide | err, wrong window |
| 02:14.02 | Hydroxide | sorry |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | pfred1: if it were my box .. i probably would |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | just for the fun |
| 02:14.43 | pfred1 | abrotman my /home is on a separate partition because I'm not a noob so for me reinstalling is the easiest way I have to getting a fixed system |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | how bout them yanks .. |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | pfred1: where's the fun in that ... |
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| 02:15.10 | OldParr | is this sources.list OK ? -> http://paste.debian.net/127444/ |
| 02:15.17 | pfred1 | abrotman it is an HTPC as long as it plays movies its fun |
| 02:15.31 | somiaj | bah just use debootstrap on another partition, avoid the installer at all costs (its been years since I have acutally used the installer) |
| 02:15.52 | pfred1 | but not being able to read DVDs isn't fun |
| 02:16.13 | OldParr | somiaj: i just do what "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" says ... |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | OldParr: you'll want the security sources for squeeze also |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | OldParr: line 10, uncomment |
| 02:16.31 | somiaj | OldParr: I'd add a security.debian.org line -- some of the packages you'll want will be there |
| 02:16.45 | OldParr | ok |
| 02:17.14 | somiaj | OldParr: also if you use non-free or contrib software, I'd add that to the end of your main deb line (#21) |
| 02:17.43 | OldParr | but it says "non free" is not that a source of problem for upgrading ? |
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| 02:18.08 | pfred1 | OldParr non-free |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | you only need that if you've been using non-free/contrib software to this point |
| 02:18.38 | OldParr | yes i thought anithing saying "non free" is a source of problems |
| 02:19.18 | somiaj | most will want them, but the purists stay away. non-free packages work just fine with debian, its the silly licenses that are the problem (not the functionality) |
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| 02:19.45 | somiaj | but if you don't have any of them currentally installed you don't need it, it was just an mention. |
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| 02:19.58 | gnarface | so uh... iptables can't have two --to-sources for -t nat anymore? |
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| 02:20.24 | OldParr | i am afraid it will complicate my upgrading, i just want to keep it simple |
| 02:20.43 | pfred1 | somiaj Ok you get my wireless working without the non-free and I'll be all over it |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | OldParr: if you've been using contrib/non-free, you'll want them now .. it won't hurt to have them if you haven't been using htem |
| 02:21.14 | somiaj | OldParr: I was just more making sure you wren't keeping it out and had a non-free package(s) installed,. |
| 02:21.35 | somiaj | OldParr: and if you don't have any non-free/contrib pacakges as abrotman said, it won't matter if its there or not. |
| 02:21.47 | pfred1 | really wasn't it from lenny to squeeze where all the firmware went into non-free ? |
| 02:21.54 | somiaj | hands pfred1 a cat-5 ethernet cable |
| 02:22.30 | somiaj | pfred1: I think its more squeeze started including the firmware as a package, before then you were on your own to get it from the manafacture and copy it to /lib/firmware |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | pfred1: some was there before .. but now all the blobs have been removed from the kernel |
| 02:22.35 | OldParr | if it prevents pronblems i will uncomment it, but the upgrading process is already launched, should i abort it? |
| 02:22.35 | pfred1 | hands somiaj a slice of reality |
| 02:23.16 | somiaj | OldParr: nope, the only issue is it won't upgrade your non-free pacakges. |
| 02:23.22 | pfred1 | abrotman thing is someone could be running Lenny without non-free and lose functionality updating to Squeeze |
| 02:23.46 | abrotman | pfred1: i told him to include non-free .. don't tell me |
| 02:24.03 | pfred1 | abrotman yes you get it they don't seem to |
| 02:24.21 | pfred1 | pure was redefined |
| 02:24.39 | somiaj | not really redefined, the kernel was just cleaned up |
| 02:24.53 | OldParr | can i abort , uncomment it and start upgrading again? |
| 02:25.01 | pfred1 | somiaj I'm still dealing with some of the fallout over here too |
| 02:25.12 | OldParr | control+C |
| 02:25.14 | somiaj | OldParr: if its just downloading packages, yes |
| 02:25.22 | somiaj | OldParr: if its already downloaded them and is installing them, no |
| 02:25.39 | OldParr | ok is just downloading |
| 02:25.53 | somiaj | yea and you will just pick up downloading right where you stoped, so no big loss |
| 02:26.32 | pfred1 | does anyone here know what the latest kernel Squeeze can run is? |
| 02:26.35 | somiaj | pfred1: yea I guess I have ran sid for so long, I'm always dealing with issues so its second nature. |
| 02:26.57 | somiaj | pfred1: squeeze should be able to run any kernel, if you want use make-kpkg and roll 3.0.3, or wait for a backport |
| 02:27.06 | somiaj | (well any modern kernel -- old version may have issues) |
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| 02:28.02 | pfred1 | somiaj I wasn't sure if everything squeeze has is current enough to run the very latest for now I'm going to stick with the 2.6 branch |
| 02:28.38 | pfred1 | but if what you say is true I'll give .39 a shot |
| 02:28.51 | somiaj | there is little change |
| 02:28.55 | somiaj | 3.0 is really 2.6.40 |
| 02:28.55 | pfred1 | .39.4 I think I saw |
| 02:29.00 | somiaj | just renumbered, no change |
| 02:29.28 | pfred1 | somiaj I'm not ready for such a big jump plus I have an odd kernel number phobia |
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| 02:29.44 | somiaj | get out of the 90s, but I belive there is a 2.6.39 backport |
| 02:30.02 | pfred1 | nah I'll download vanilla source |
| 02:30.48 | somiaj | best of luck, but there is really little change from 2.6.39 and 3.0.3, 3.0 is just 2.6.40 with a new number system, very little difference between the kernels, just the standard small bugfixes + additional drivers |
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| 02:31.54 | OldParr | here is my new /etc/apt/sources.list --> http://paste.debian.net/127446/ |
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| 02:32.31 | pfred1 | OldParr no contrib? |
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| 02:34.16 | OldParr | pfred1: wich line is that mistake? |
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| 02:35.01 | pfred1 | OldParr no mistakes I don't think just you could add contrib along with main and non-free |
| 02:35.24 | pfred1 | gives a few more packages |
| 02:35.35 | axujen | anyone here managed to get volume display in conky with oss ? |
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| 02:35.51 | axujen | i tried all kinds of values with $mixer but it always sats 0 :/ |
| 02:36.02 | axujen | says* |
| 02:36.12 | pfred1 | axujen I'm trying to get oss to work what'd you do to manage it? |
| 02:36.28 | OldParr | pfred1: how do i add contrib? |
| 02:36.46 | pfred1 | OldParr put it next to main and non-free |
| 02:36.53 | axujen | whats the prob with it ? |
| 02:37.04 | pfred1 | axujen mine says no drivers to load |
| 02:37.08 | axujen | some application needs to be configured to work with oss |
| 02:37.18 | pfred1 | axujen yes i want sound in Quake |
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| 02:37.40 | pfred1 | axujen I have no drivers no /dev/dsp |
| 02:37.56 | pfred1 | axujen though in the kernel config it is marked to build the modules |
| 02:38.20 | pfred1 | and i have built a whole new kernel ran it |
| 02:38.57 | axujen | tbh i have no idea how to help u i just followed this guide from the arch wiki and it worked fine |
| 02:39.06 | OldParr | pfred1: do you mean like this? --> http://paste.debian.net/127447/ |
| 02:39.07 | pfred1 | installed everything that said oss from aptitude search ran the dpkg-reconfigure sound or whatever the command is |
| 02:39.10 | axujen | im guessing its a prob with your sound card ? |
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| 02:39.55 | pfred1 | OldParr switch it from line 9 to 20 |
| 02:40.03 | axujen | try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OSS#Settings_for_specific_driver |
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| 02:40.16 | axujen | and just change pacman for apt-get :) |
| 02:40.22 | white_magic | can someone tell me what's the name of the default applet in debian that lets you view the wireless networks? |
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| 02:40.42 | pfred1 | white_magic networkmanager ? |
| 02:41.03 | white_magic | hmmm |
| 02:41.16 | pfred1 | axujen yeah i been using so many documents from arch and gentoo I been thiniing about switching lately |
| 02:41.22 | OldParr | pfred1: --> http://paste.debian.net/127448/ |
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| 02:41.32 | zykotick9 | white_magic, nm-applet is the actual applet name |
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| 02:41.56 | pfred1 | OldParr that does look pretty good |
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| 02:42.03 | axujen | arch is nice but tends to break alot :D i havent tried gentoo tho |
| 02:42.10 | OldParr | pfred1: thanks |
| 02:42.24 | pfred1 | axujen break a lot i heard they didn't update for like 15 months |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | pfred1: keep it on-topic please |
| 02:42.58 | axujen | arch uses a rolling release system |
| 02:43.03 | pfred1 | abrotman when i have to use their documentation to fix debian screwieness it is on topic! |
| 02:43.10 | axujen | so its basically updating all the time |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | pfred1: discussing their upgrade cycle is not |
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| 02:44.03 | abrotman | if you wan to discuss arch, use their channel |
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| 02:55.19 | Zathara | hello everyone... |
| 02:55.28 | Zathara | When I hear songs such as the audio is presented in speeaker and headset at the same time, how to fix out only in the headphones? |
| 02:56.03 | somiaj | Zathara: what laptop, using the intel-hda sound driver I assume? |
| 02:56.42 | somiaj | Zathara: with my laptop I had to tell the sound driver to use the model=thinkpad -- there is a list of the laptop models for the slight varriations in the sound cards. |
| 02:57.51 | Zathara | let me try |
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| 02:58.27 | somiaj | check out /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz |
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| 03:00.00 | mark_u | hey. i had a server that lost power today and wont come back online. the bootlog is stalled with repeated "Machine check events logged" after seeing "3x-9xxx scsi0:AEON..... initialize started:unit=0". is my best action to wait? sounds like its regenerating the array atm |
| 03:00.19 | mark_u | also does anyone know of the significant behind the machine check events logged? |
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| 03:00.44 | mark_u | i should note that the OS is installed on the raid array |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | mark_u: did it even make it to the bootloader? |
| 03:02.31 | mark_u | yep |
| 03:02.34 | abrotman | and is it swraid or hwraid ? |
| 03:02.41 | mark_u | hwraid, 3ware |
| 03:03.11 | mark_u | this was all after "Running /scripts/init-bottom" |
| 03:03.20 | mark_u | so it definitely got through some of the boot process |
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| 03:14.48 | mark_u | abrotman: its spitting out "3w-9xxx: scsi0: AEN: INFO (...): Initialize completed:unit=0 interleaved with a bunch of "Machine check events logged"... no bootup yet though still waiting |
| 03:15.57 | abrotman | mark_u: a hwraid controller should rebuild the drives even if you're not booted into an OS |
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| 03:16.51 | mark_u | well like i said the OS is on the array.. so im assuming its basically stalled the boot process to fix it |
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| 03:17.07 | mark_u | just odd that it said that its completed initializing 3 times and still waiting heh |
| 03:17.25 | abrotman | mark_u: in my experience (mostly ibm serveraid cards), the OS will continue to function, and rebuilding will happen on-line |
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| 03:17.59 | mark_u | yeah.. with the array acting a bit slow, right? |
| 03:18.05 | mark_u | i thought so too |
| 03:18.38 | abrotman | mark_u: you could boot into the raid controller setup utility to see the state of the array |
| 03:18.59 | mark_u | just after waiting so long to see whats going on with it during regular boot im afraid ill have to wait all over again haha |
| 03:20.08 | mark_u | this is interesting though, 6/8 drives had the activity LEDs lit up at first, now its opposite |
| 03:20.15 | mark_u | so its gotta be regenerating |
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| 03:22.13 | abrotman | or the backplane is shot |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | is an optimist! |
| 03:22.31 | OldParr | what should i do in this desition in lenny to squeeze upgrading ? --> http://paste.debian.net/127449/ |
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| 03:22.46 | abrotman | desition ? |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | oh .. decision |
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| 03:23.16 | abrotman | OldParr: you can look at the differences .. if you don't recognize it as something you need, you can say Y .. it will save your current file |
| 03:23.25 | oliver117 | when is the package index (correct terminus?) renewed/changed? |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | oliver117: you mean when are the mirrors updated? |
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| 03:24.08 | somiaj | OldParr: if its a config file you have modified for a paticular reason keep yours, but if its not one you reconize as needing a special config, best to get the updated matainers version |
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| 03:24.27 | somiaj | OldParr: again check the differences if you're unsure |
| 03:24.28 | oliver117 | yes, I want to know when it makes sense for me to check for updates |
| 03:24.39 | abrotman | oliver117: which versoin of Debian are you running? |
| 03:25.10 | oliver117 | testing (and stable on my dev server) |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | oliver117: for testing, you can update when you want, but i wouldn't let it go more than few days .. the updates for stable are announced via mailing lists |
| 03:25.42 | abrotman | !dak |
| 03:25.42 | dpkg | dak (debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the Debian archives. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing (and from incoming to unstable) at {1,7,13,19}:52 UTC each day. |
| 03:26.01 | abrotman | but yes, they do update every six hours .. but your chosen mirrors may not update every six hours |
| 03:26.12 | oliver117 | oh thanks for the info |
| 03:26.17 | oliver117 | great |
| 03:26.20 | oliver117 | so ciao then |
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| 03:29.07 | roe | I am trying to get the temp sensor applet for GNOME added to one of my panels |
| 03:29.13 | roe | but it doesn't seem to be on the lsit |
| 03:29.18 | roe | of widget to add |
| 03:29.21 | abrotman | weather temp or computer temp ? |
| 03:29.29 | roe | computer temp |
| 03:29.38 | roe | I installed and configured lm-sensors |
| 03:29.42 | centHOGG | good |
| 03:29.45 | roe | and I installed 'sensors-applet' |
| 03:29.53 | centHOGG | reboot? |
| 03:29.58 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 03:30.00 | roe | no |
| 03:30.09 | centHOGG | cant hurt |
| 03:30.15 | roe | this is not windows |
| 03:30.21 | centHOGG | lol |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | I don't think I've seen an applet for that since gdesklets |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | roe: let me try here |
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| 03:31.52 | abrotman | roe: Hardware Sensors Monitor |
| 03:32.02 | abrotman | is never adding that again ... |
| 03:32.24 | roe | it isn't on my list, should I restart gnome-panel? |
| 03:32.33 | abrotman | i'm on squeeze, i didn't have to |
| 03:32.40 | roe | me too |
| 03:32.43 | roe | fresh install |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | did you install 'gnome' or a subset? |
| 03:33.19 | roe | I left the 'Desktop Environment' or whatever in the installer checked |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | roe: aptitude install gnome sensors-applet |
| 03:33.51 | roe | I restarted gnome-panel and now it is there |
| 03:33.57 | abrotman | weird, no idea |
| 03:33.57 | roe | weird |
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| 03:34.57 | roe | thanks for the help |
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| 03:36.18 | abrotman | didn't do anything :) |
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| 03:48.16 | da13374 | there's this fantastic program "proxifier" for windows that hooks into the os at a very low level, allowing me to send ALL my network traffic through a socks5 proxy of my choice, without screwing with per-application proxy settings - anyone know of a linux equivalent? |
| 03:50.30 | dondelelcaro | da13374: http://dtbaker.com.au/random-bits/redirect-all-traffic-through-transparent-socks5-proxy-in-linux.html |
| 03:50.55 | dondelelcaro | da13374: google is your friend... |
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| 03:55.20 | da13374 | dondelelcaro: thx |
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| 03:56.46 | freeayu | how to install php5.2 on squeeze debian 6.0.2 |
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| 03:57.02 | freeayu | I have already installed 5.3, but some of program incompatible |
| 03:58.55 | civillian | freeayu: upgrade the program to php5.3 compatible? |
| 03:59.50 | somiaj | freeayu: you are kind of on your own, since you won't easilly find a 5.2 pacakge, you'll have to create your own or install it from source and manage things yourself -- its possible but no really easy solution. |
| 04:00.02 | somiaj | figuring out how to make the program compadable would probabaly be the better approach |
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| 04:00.34 | freeayu | somiaj trouble solution |
| 04:00.45 | freeayu | http://0bar.nl/en/tech/downgrade-php-53-to-php-52 |
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| 04:01.21 | drwahl | i'm having a hard time getting the latest commit to wine's master branch to compile. i also recently updated my system (sid). anyone able to help me out? http://pastebin.com/fQ4cJhC7 |
| 04:01.21 | Gaijin | test OK |
| 04:01.24 | civillian | freeayu: are you running drupal? |
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| 04:02.34 | somiaj | drwahl: check the topic about #debian-next on the offical irc network for debian (not freenode), that is a good place to ask sid questions |
| 04:03.15 | Rusty1 | drwahl: there is a #winehq channel as well |
| 04:03.16 | freeayu | ciwillian, joomla |
| 04:03.26 | freeayu | joomla 1.5 doesn't support php 5.3 |
| 04:03.34 | drwahl | does that look like a debian problem or a wine problem? i'm not really able to determine |
| 04:03.43 | centHOGG | drupal v joomla |
| 04:03.44 | drwahl | if it's debian, i'll bug the guys in sid |
| 04:03.50 | somiaj | drwahl: do you have linux-libc-dev installed? |
| 04:03.54 | drwahl | yup |
| 04:03.57 | civillian | joomla 1.6 uses php 5.3 |
| 04:04.08 | civillian | upgrade |
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| 04:04.50 | civillian | 1.7 is out even |
| 04:05.13 | centHOGG | one of them is alittle faster |
| 04:06.31 | freeayu | somiaj if already used apt install php5.3 , how to install php 5.2 from source |
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| 04:09.06 | somiaj | freeayu: I'd follow that pages advise, I don't want to walk you though it. You might be able to find archives of the 5.2php packages from debian hiding somewhere. |
| 04:09.26 | SkilZ | Anyone got a list of supported webcams? |
| 04:09.40 | somiaj | freeayu: you might just be able to downgrade to 5.2.6 from lenny |
| 04:10.34 | somiaj | SkilZ: not really a list out there, best bet is to look at a webcam and then ask google about linux support |
| 04:10.44 | SkilZ | ok |
| 04:10.50 | somiaj | SkilZ: since support is going to depend on if the kernel supports them or not |
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| 04:14.48 | SkilZ | How do unzip just '.tar' |
| 04:15.05 | SkilZ | I know how to tar 'tar.gz' and 'tar.bz2' |
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| 04:15.16 | Dewi | SkilZ: don't specify -j or -z |
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| 04:15.34 | SkilZ | Dewi: So just tar -x file.tar? |
| 04:15.50 | Dewi | more like xf |
| 04:15.57 | huma | who is eligible to call oom-killer in the system? |
| 04:16.17 | civillian | SkilZ: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=extract+tar |
| 04:16.23 | SkilZ | thanks |
| 04:16.32 | Dewi | or is the f optional now? |
| 04:16.48 | simonlnu | never seen the f be optional on files |
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| 04:17.02 | Dewi | simonlnu: yeah I'd have thought that would break a lot of stuff :P |
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| 04:20.37 | simonlnu | huma: the kernel or the human at the keyboard (via magic-sysrq) |
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| 04:44.47 | huma | simonlnu: i see that apache invokes oom-killer in the logs. is it doing it on its own cause it's asked for memory and none was available? |
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| 04:48.31 | khaije|minder | is there a console-based application that will allow me to pipe output to the clipboard? |
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| 04:49.05 | rypervenche | khaije|minder: xclip |
| 04:49.17 | khaije|minder | sweet thanks rypervenche |
| 04:49.52 | rypervenche | khaije|minder: At the end of your pipe add "xclip -selection clipboard' |
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| 04:57.20 | Onryo | Using wheezy. Any word on why iceweasel 5 crashes when you go into preferences? |
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| 05:02.25 | Odaym | I did "apt-get install smarty", but there seems to be no sign of it :o |
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| 05:09.10 | somiaj | Onryo: check bugs.debian.org -- run it from a termainal see if you get any errors you can diagnose -- check the /topic for the another irc network and #debian-next for testing/sid users |
| 05:10.43 | Onryo | somiaj yeah I can see there are a few others with the same problem in the bug reports. Was wondering if anybody knew what the solution was though. |
| 05:11.05 | somiaj | Onryo: the bug reports or #debian-next (on irc.debian.org) are the best paces to ask. |
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| 05:12.23 | Onryo | ? debian-next is "invite only" ? |
| 05:12.41 | Odaym | you have to identify your nickname, probably |
| 05:12.41 | somiaj | its not on this network |
| 05:12.47 | somiaj | its on irc.oftc.net |
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| 05:13.05 | somiaj | debian moved off of freenode.net years ago, this chan sticks around as unoffical |
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| 05:13.24 | Onryo | somiaj kk |
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| 05:13.59 | DizzyLizzy | Jigdo is really, really cool. I wonder why more people don't use it. |
| 05:14.24 | centHOGG | lol |
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| 05:17.41 | huma | somiaj: why did the official channel move? |
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| 05:18.31 | somiaj | huma: I forget why they moved. |
| 05:18.37 | huma | :) |
| 05:19.13 | somiaj | http://www.debian.org/support#irc -- when i started with debian it was freenode.net and I've been stuck here ever since |
| 05:19.23 | huma | freenode looks like a de facto open source channel standard |
| 05:19.56 | somiaj | hmm, ate least freenode is still mentioned on that page |
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| 05:20.46 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/IRC#Official_Debian_IRC_channels -- wow they have a lot of chans there now too. |
| 05:21.25 | somiaj | huma: yea I rember debian moving, I don't recall why -- might have something to do with the freenode politics I still avoid. |
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| 05:23.28 | huma | somiaj: possibly they moved for this reason. to create their own irc ecosystem. |
| 05:23.45 | Odaym | yea, debian servers |
| 05:24.34 | huma | it'd be useful if this list had a number of users for each channel |
| 05:25.05 | huma | i suspect it's not as impressive as the list itself |
| 05:25.18 | Odaym | you can log on there and do /list |
| 05:25.44 | zykotick9 | freenode 983, OFTC 431 |
| 05:27.31 | huma | hmm, there's a strong #linode community. the top channel (452). |
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| 05:30.01 | matsuura | I hate ubuntu |
| 05:30.17 | DizzyLizzy | why's that? |
| 05:30.19 | Gaijin | hah.. I never understood why people disliked it |
| 05:30.26 | huma | hatred isn't constructive |
| 05:30.32 | matsuura | because they continue to fuck up my packages :-| |
| 05:30.33 | centHOGG | ^ |
| 05:30.37 | Gaijin | distros like ubu and mint helped my dad and many older people get a foot into the linux world |
| 05:31.17 | Gaijin | how do they mess your packages up? |
| 05:31.21 | matsuura | seems like every time I update, I have to go back and reconfigure everything, change where every other directory points and overall, spend too long reconfiguring everything |
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| 05:31.35 | centHOGG | so its their fault |
| 05:31.36 | matsuura | not 100%, but it doesn't make sense |
| 05:31.40 | Gaijin | arent packages made for each distro though? |
| 05:31.51 | matsuura | what do you mean? |
| 05:32.33 | somiaj | Gaijin: they don't, they are just not debian, they change a lot of the core so expecting debian users to be familar with them and asking for help though #debian instead of the support either have set up. |
| 05:32.42 | matsuura | I crawled back to debian in desperation and these probably have stopped completely. It's been a good month and a half |
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| 05:33.19 | matsuura | seems like it's just the recent trend with ubuntu, and I don't like it, at all |
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| 05:34.37 | Dewi | matsuura: debian stable only does breaking changes every couple of years |
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| 05:34.46 | IdleOne | I'd be curious to see what your sources.list looks like in Ubuntu. I'll bet you have debian repos in it. |
| 05:34.48 | matsuura | Dewi: I'm cool with that |
| 05:34.48 | Dewi | matsuura: and they tend to be pretty minor. |
| 05:34.53 | matsuura | IdleOne: they are the default |
| 05:35.24 | IdleOne | matsuura: then what are you customizing that makes ubuntu packages break things |
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| 05:35.59 | matsuura | IdleOne: Probably configurations that exist in a certain path where dependencies look, but suddenly, that path changes |
| 05:36.08 | matsuura | and half of the dependencies are looking there |
| 05:36.11 | matsuura | half are not |
| 05:36.15 | Dewi | matsuura: configuration paths shouldn't change often at all |
| 05:36.20 | Dewi | matsuura: even on ubuntu |
| 05:36.25 | matsuura | Dewi: I agree.. |
| 05:36.43 | matsuura | That's one reason ubuntu has hit the floor, not like a boss either |
| 05:37.06 | centHOGG | lol |
| 05:37.13 | Dewi | shrug, depends what the machine is for. |
| 05:37.19 | matsuura | Development |
| 05:37.41 | matsuura | Xorg, too many issues |
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| 05:48.57 | Kellis | Clean power enters the home at 60Hz. Electrical Pollution is 60 Hz electricity polluted with high frequency signals or "dirty" power flowing on the wires and through the earth. People exposed to excessively "dirty" power or wireless communication signals may develop Radio Wave Sickness. |
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| 05:49.46 | Kellis | Only use laptops on battery. Recharge them when you are not around. They generate a large amount of "dirty" power and the transformer on the charging cord generates a very large field. Also use an external wired keyboard and mouse to reduce you exposure to the high frequencies from the processor. |
| 05:50.52 | Kellis | A doctor told me that if you are having sleep issues, make sure you check for electrical pollution in your sleeping area! |
| 05:51.11 | mechafenris | Tinfoil hat goes shiny side out... |
| 05:51.19 | centHOGG | ^ |
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| 05:51.58 | Kellis | In the laboratory, chronic exposure to low level electromagnetic fields clearly affects growth and development, stress response, immune response and many neurological functions. This is not surprising because at the cellular level we are all electrical beings. Epidemiologic studies relate electromagnetic fields to birth defects, psychosis, childhood leukemias and to other cancers, especially brain and reproductive tumors. |
| 05:52.02 | simonlnu | Kellis: uh, wrong channel. try #defocus |
| 05:52.22 | centHOGG | yeah we know |
| 05:52.28 | mechafenris | That explains my hair loss... |
| 05:52.41 | simonlnu | take it elsewhere |
| 05:52.51 | Kellis | mechafenris: , Explains why hair loss is so much more common in men. |
| 05:53.04 | Kellis | Men are around much more electrical pollution in general. |
| 05:53.09 | Kellis | Look at the users in here. |
| 05:53.12 | Kellis | I'd bet 95% are men. |
| 05:53.23 | simonlnu | !ops Kellis OT and continues to be so |
| 05:53.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: Kellis OT and continues to be so |
| 05:53.32 | centHOGG | uh... maybe the entire freenode? |
| 05:53.51 | Woet | Kellis: By far the most common cause of hair loss in men is androgenetic alopecia, also referred to as âmale patternâ or âcommonâ baldness. It is caused by the effects of the male hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT) on genetically susceptible scalp hair follicles. |
| 05:53.53 | Woet | just fyi. |
| 05:54.21 | centHOGG | just wear a 20 dollar wig |
| 05:54.25 | centHOGG | and get on with it |
| 05:54.40 | mechafenris | no, do the Bruce Willis... shave the head... give it a rugged man's man look. |
| 05:54.43 | Kellis | Woet:, That's the official view, like the official was at one time that the earth was flat. |
| 05:54.51 | Kellis | But electrical pollution is something else to consider. |
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| 05:55.01 | simonlnu | ffs, stop feeding the troll |
| 05:55.20 | Bushmills | Kellis: and what, exactly, is your debian question? |
| 05:55.22 | centHOGG | not exactly trolling |
| 05:55.40 | Woet | Bushmills: how to reduce eletrical pollution probably |
| 05:55.43 | Woet | poweroff should do it |
| 05:55.45 | mechafenris | probably the question is "why can't I run debian with out electricity?" |
| 05:55.55 | centHOGG | heh lol |
| 05:56.18 | centHOGG | electrical pollution is really kinda difficult to avoid in the natural world |
| 05:56.23 | centHOGG | i'm guessing |
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| 05:57.27 | Kellis | The health effects of electrical pollution (EP): http://www.electricalpollution.com/documents/NFAMemf.PDF http://www.electricalpollution.com/documents/Maret_report.pdf http://www.electricalpollution.com/documents/LaQuintacancercluster.pdf http://www.electricalpollution.com/documents/08_Havas_CFL_SCENIHR.pdf http://www.electricalpollution.com/documents/WWcolour.pdf |
| 05:57.31 | Kellis | The research goes on and on. |
| 05:57.50 | mechafenris | as do you... |
| 05:57.59 | Dewi | Kellis: and it continues to show everything is safe |
| 05:58.06 | Dewi | Kellis: but I'm sure you know that |
| 05:58.10 | Kellis | Dewi: , Not so. Open up those links for a primer. |
| 05:58.16 | Kellis | Dewi: , You are absolutely incorrect. |
| 05:58.30 | Dewi | Kellis: maybe I'll read actual science, not crackpottery |
| 05:58.39 | Kellis | Dirty electricity is a major issue. |
| 05:58.44 | centHOGG | electrical pollution = perpetual motion |
| 05:58.54 | simonlnu | ffs, stop feeding the troll |
| 05:59.19 | DasEi | Kellis: maybe try to sell a noodlescreen helmet in #debian-offtopic ? |
| 05:59.47 | Kellis | In five herds for 517 days, milk/cow/day decreased -0.0281 kg/transient event as transient events increased from 0 to 122/day (P<0.02). Negative effects on milk/cow/day from event recorder measurements were significant for eight independent electrical variables. Step-potential voltage and frequency of earth currents were measured by oscilloscope from metal plates grouted into the floor of milking stalls. Milk decreased as number of 3 |
| 06:00.03 | centHOGG | Kellis: even after newton's laws of thermodynamics peeps still believed perpetual motion was possible... so wtf? |
| 06:00.18 | Kellis | This is an example from a study inversely correlating milk production in cows to the quality of electricity nearby. |
| 06:00.25 | Woet | Kellis: why are you a computer, generating 'dirty' electricity? |
| 06:00.30 | Woet | go to a jungle without electricity |
| 06:00.34 | Woet | do everyone a favor |
| 06:00.41 | Woet | why are you using a *** |
| 06:00.48 | centHOGG | i think this can be traced back to the aether concept of electical fields... no? |
| 06:00.51 | Kellis | Woet: , It's very easy to fix dirty electricity and electrical pollution |
| 06:00.57 | Kellis | but you have to step out of your denial and do something about it. |
| 06:01.08 | simonlnu | this can also be traced back to being off-topic |
| 06:01.22 | Woet | Kellis: i already did apt-get remove electrical-pollution |
| 06:01.25 | Woet | thanks for opening my eyes |
| 06:01.26 | Woet | now leave |
| 06:01.43 | Kellis | Woet: , EP is an issue to all Debian users |
| 06:01.47 | Kellis | so no, I am not off topic and no |
| 06:01.49 | Kellis | I shall not leave. |
| 06:01.54 | centHOGG | now trolling |
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| 06:02.39 | Bushmills | !ops kellis trolls, refuses to stop off line chatter and spams the channel |
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| 06:02.52 | Kellis | Bushmills: , Would you shut up and ignore me? |
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| 06:02.57 | Kellis | Whiners like you don't belong in a society. |
| 06:03.00 | centHOGG | why not worry about something like quanta pollution... more hip |
| 06:03.09 | peterS | I hate to even ask ... what the f is 'electrical pollution'? |
| 06:03.16 | peterS | it doesn't _seem_ to have anything to do with Debian |
| 06:03.17 | simonlnu | centHOGG: QUIT IT |
| 06:03.26 | centHOGG | debian police |
| 06:03.45 | Kellis | Electricity today is not a simple 60 Hz electrical signal. The increased use of modern electronics and other non-linear, time-varying loads has over-loaded the distribution system with high-frequency electrical pollution that causes "dirty" power. |
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| 06:03.58 | bookmark | hello |
| 06:03.59 | Corey | Kellis: This is probably better discussed in ##hardware. :) |
| 06:04.08 | zykotick9 | disappointed that Kellis appears to be in Canada. As a fellow Canuck I'd just like to say "we're not all this crazy" |
| 06:04.16 | Kellis | Corey: , Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 06:04.16 | DasEi | bookmark: hi there |
| 06:04.30 | bookmark | what desktop is probably best if i want to be able to easily change resolutions? xfce4? lxde? kde? gnome? |
| 06:04.40 | Bushmills | starts to also /ignore those keeping those offline thread alive |
| 06:04.42 | Corey | Kellis: Just saying, it's not really topical here. |
| 06:04.44 | centHOGG | all decent DEs |
| 06:04.44 | peterS | oh ... I thought maybe this was about evil A/C and why we should all power everything on 12-volt DC systems, or something |
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| 06:04.47 | simonlnu | they can all do it |
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| 06:04.55 | peterS | anyway, yeah, I am still not seeing the Debian angle |
| 06:04.59 | DasEi | bookmark: that'll mainly will depend on hardware and drivers |
| 06:05.02 | simonlnu | bookmark: they can all do it |
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| 06:05.21 | bookmark | is there some way to do it if all i run is twm? |
| 06:05.25 | simonlnu | and yes, assuming the hardware supports it |
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| 06:05.33 | Kellis | Unlike the electrical earth currents of the 1950's, electrical earth currents today are not a clean 60 Hz sine wave. They are as "dirty" with high frequencies as the power that returns to the substation. They are the return current that does not flow on the wire. As the prevalence of non-linear, time-varying loads increases, the return power and the earth currents get dirtier. |
| 06:05.35 | bookmark | change resolutions that is |
| 06:05.48 | simonlnu | yes. xrandr |
| 06:05.49 | Corey | Kellis: Enough. |
| 06:05.59 | DasEi | bookmark: which g-card ? monitor provides dpms ? |
| 06:06.20 | bookmark | im just running vesa driver |
| 06:06.25 | peterS | Kellis: I'm sure it's an awesome rant, but there's no possible way it has anything to do with Debian per se. Please take it elsewhere. |
| 06:06.27 | bookmark | no fancy pants driver |
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| 06:07.07 | peterS | Kellis: I begin to suspect the only connection with Debian is that you have a theoretical audience of 1000 idling people here, and a much smaller audience in any place where this would actually be on topic |
| 06:07.11 | centHOGG | fancy pants driver = proprietary |
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| 06:07.42 | bookmark | yeah i mean i just did apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 06:07.52 | bookmark | and install twm |
| 06:07.53 | DasEi | bookmark: which g-card ? |
| 06:08.06 | bookmark | its and onboard nvidia but its running the vesa driver i think |
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| 06:08.32 | DasEi | bookmark: on nvidia you have a good chance using their utility |
| 06:08.55 | centHOGG | yeh |
| 06:09.10 | bookmark | yeah but i dun wanna install their driver cuz i get into dependency hells and stuff |
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| 06:09.29 | DasEi | bookmark: ok, xrandr then |
| 06:09.35 | centHOGG | yeah gcc loadup |
| 06:09.38 | bookmark | i mean... im trying to just work off the cds that i have here without outside files |
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| 06:10.01 | bookmark | xrandr ok ill try that |
| 06:10.03 | DasEi | bookmark: or manually xorg.conf, modelines and possible resolutions |
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| 06:12.42 | Kellis | Mr. Dave Stetzer, a power quality manager, was hired to evaluate the electrical condition of our schools. He found many problems in the electrical system. The ubiquitous meter readings should have been zero, but our school had numbers as high as 150+. Dr. Martin Graham a professor from University of California, Berkeley has defined ubiquitous pollution. |
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| 06:12.49 | peterS | Kellis: last warning |
| 06:13.32 | centHOGG | lock phasers |
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| 06:14.06 | Dewi | Kellis: how the fuck is 60Hz relevant? Nearly all countries aare on 50 |
| 06:14.21 | peterS | Dewi: don't feed him |
| 06:14.35 | Dewi | heh, sry |
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| 06:15.03 | Accelerator | I've installed pear and php-pear on Debian, but there is no /usr/share/pear folder, nor can I find any equivalent. Thus, this site that requires on php-pear is not working. So, is something wrong here..? |
| 06:15.44 | peterS | Accelerator: look in /usr/share/php/PEAR |
| 06:16.29 | Accelerator | Ah, I see it. Now if I can get rid of this error. Maybe just a symbolic link will work, even though that's lazy. |
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| 06:19.20 | peterS | Accelerator: btw, how to answer your question in the future: 'dpkg -L php-pear' |
| 06:19.31 | Dewi | Accelerator: the php chan might know more |
| 06:19.40 | eagles0513875 | how can i tell if mod_rewrite is enabled for apache |
| 06:20.18 | peterS | eagles0513875: see if there's a file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load (a symlink) |
| 06:20.40 | Accelerator | Oi oi. |
| 06:20.42 | peterS | eagles0513875: ...or just use a2enmod or a2dismod to enable or disable it explicitly |
| 06:20.52 | Accelerator | This platform obviously just is eager to hate debian |
| 06:22.49 | peterS | yeah, pear is one of those systems, like cpan and ruby gems, that tries to supplant an OS package manager, because on many platforms, the OS package manager is totally inadequate for the needs of php or perl or ruby |
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| 06:23.00 | peterS | this causes friction, especially ruby gems |
| 06:23.07 | eagles0513875 | whats the issue Accelerator |
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| 06:23.25 | eagles0513875 | dunno bout php but perl i found a killer work around of any issues with perl hehe |
| 06:24.15 | Accelerator | eagles0513875: Probably just a bad CMS platform. Clipbucket. It's not recognizing ffmpeg or anything off my server, after complaining about dbconnect.php not existing, when it's really just DB.php. Not worth my time tonight, maybe tomorrow. Going to bed now. |
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| 06:24.29 | eagles0513875 | Accelerator: ouchie :( i use wordpress hehe |
| 06:24.42 | Accelerator | Yeah. I have many various sites hosted with no problems. |
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| 06:25.06 | eagles0513875 | im running my business site on wordpress and working on my m8s atm but having some issues with perma links |
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| 06:26.06 | eagles0513875 | peterS: whats the name of the mod_rewrite package |
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| 06:26.39 | peterS | eagles0513875: apache2.2-bin |
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| 06:27.08 | eagles0513875 | i have it already installed |
| 06:27.15 | eagles0513875 | thing is a2enmod isnt letting me enable it |
| 06:27.28 | eagles0513875 | as well in mods-enabled its not symlinked there |
| 06:28.18 | peterS | "a2enmod rewrite" "Enabling module rewrite. Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' to activate new configuration!" |
| 06:29.08 | Russ | I need a multi-arch version of libxtst6 |
| 06:29.19 | Russ | do I just need to rebuild the deb with a new version of dpkg, or change something in the control file? |
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| 06:29.46 | Russ | I currently have a "libxtst6:i386 2:1.2.0-3 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with libxtst6:amd64 2:1.2.0-3 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed" situation |
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| 06:31.36 | peterS | Russ: more than that. you need to make sure it uses multiarch paths, _and_ put some stuff in the control file |
| 06:31.49 | Russ | I'll have fun with that then |
| 06:31.56 | Russ | I found http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation |
| 06:32.08 | Russ | I need the old crufty crap for the Xilinx ISE |
| 06:32.30 | peterS | yeah. I didn't follow any of the procedures on that wiki page exactly, but they told me basically what needed to happen |
| 06:32.54 | peterS | (I've multiarch'd two packages so far, need to do a third one soon) |
| 06:33.01 | Russ | libxtst6 is a really old package |
| 06:33.23 | peterS | indeed. when you said that I was like, what, is that the XTEST extension or something? who uses that? |
| 06:34.06 | Russ | Xilinx ISE |
| 06:34.13 | Russ | nutters |
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| 06:39.14 | peterS | gives libxtst a quick try at multiarch |
| 06:39.47 | peterS | it doesn't look like one of the hard ones |
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| 06:44.21 | eagles0513875 | hey guys is it easy to upgrade gmake to a newer version greater then 3.81 |
| 06:46.00 | Dewi | eagles0513875: hmm 3.82 hasn't even hit unstable yet |
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| 06:46.44 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: reason being is i need it for libreoffice dev |
| 06:46.46 | Dewi | eagles0513875: you could simple-sid-backport it from experimental I guess |
| 06:46.59 | eagles0513875 | what would one need to do to do that |
| 06:47.04 | peterS | Russ: ...yeah, pretty trivial actually. http://p12n.org:8080/tmp/xtst-multiarch/ |
| 06:47.19 | Russ | hey, awesome |
| 06:47.26 | Dewi | eagles0513875: follow these instructions but with a deb-src line for experimental instead of sid or unstable |
| 06:47.29 | Russ | I keep having to get up and fix my wife's internet connection |
| 06:47.32 | Dewi | !tell eagles0513875 about ssb |
| 06:47.41 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: is there a pre packaged package |
| 06:47.44 | peterS | don't know if that does _everything_ it should, in particular I've heard you're not actually supposed to use multiarch paths in a .udeb file, but it passes my simple sniff test of 'dpkg -c' on the resulting deb files |
| 06:48.05 | Dewi | eagles0513875: yes but you'll want to use its source rather than binary |
| 06:48.11 | eagles0513875 | why is that |
| 06:48.20 | eagles0513875 | thing is i never compiled make before |
| 06:48.40 | Dewi | eagles0513875: it's all automated, 1 line |
| 06:49.02 | Dewi | eagles0513875: the binary is only for experimental, that's all |
| 06:49.38 | Dewi | eagles0513875: I'd still probably do it in a VM though |
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| 06:51.26 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: this hdd is dedicated to development so i dont have much on here so i am willing to reformat if need be |
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| 06:52.13 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: whats the name of the make package |
| 06:52.17 | Dewi | eagles0513875: make |
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| 06:52.30 | peterS | eagles0513875: 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/make' will tell you, btw |
| 06:52.37 | Dewi | eagles0513875: specify version with make=3.82-1 |
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| 06:53.22 | Dewi | eagles0513875: did you get my private message? Basically you install build-deps, then build the package, then install the package |
| 06:53.30 | eagles0513875 | ya i did |
| 06:54.23 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: im doing an apt-cache search for make and im not finding the package |
| 06:55.12 | Dewi | eagles0513875: you'll need a deb-src line for experimental in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:55.18 | eagles0513875 | already got it |
| 06:55.42 | peterS | so then apt-get update; apt-get source make/experimental |
| 06:55.56 | eagles0513875 | is this the right repo deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 06:56.07 | peterS | eagles0513875: yes but say 'experimental' instead of 'sid' |
| 06:56.09 | Dewi | eagles0513875: replace 'sid' with 'experimental' |
| 06:56.21 | Dewi | eagles0513875: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get build-dep make=3.82-1 |
| 06:56.25 | Dewi | I think |
| 06:56.38 | eagles0513875 | is it possible for me to upgrade to experimenta? from squeeze? |
| 06:56.40 | Dewi | then apt-get -b source make=3.82-1 |
| 06:56.54 | simonlnu | eagles0513875: doesn't work that way, so you can't |
| 06:57.02 | peterS | eagles0513875: neither necessary nor particularly recommended. easier to just rebuild the one package for squeeze. |
| 06:57.39 | peterS | actually you know what? |
| 06:57.50 | eagles0513875 | Picking 'make-dfsg' as source package instead of 'make' |
| 06:57.50 | eagles0513875 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
| 06:57.52 | peterS | make has very few dependencies. You can just _install_ the experimental version of make on your squeeze box |
| 06:57.54 | eagles0513875 | should i be worried about that |
| 06:57.55 | peterS | no need to rebuild it |
| 06:58.15 | simonlnu | ,depends make |
| 06:58.17 | judd | Package make -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3). |
| 06:58.32 | eagles0513875 | judd: squeeze has 2.11 |
| 06:58.36 | peterS | wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/make-dfsg/make_3.82-1_amd64.deb |
| 06:58.38 | simonlnu | should be good to go |
| 06:58.49 | peterS | substitute whatever for _amd64 at the end there |
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| 06:59.51 | eagles0513875 | sweet :D |
| 06:59.52 | eagles0513875 | that worked |
| 06:59.54 | eagles0513875 | thanks peter :) |
| 07:00.01 | peterS | no problem |
| 07:00.48 | eagles0513875 | the reason for needing make 3.82 is due to issues with parallelism in 3.81 of make |
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| 07:01.08 | eagles0513875 | peterS: wait technically couldnt i replace all the repos that say squeeze with experimental and upgrade that way ? |
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| 07:01.22 | eagles0513875 | or would i need to go squeeze sid experimental |
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| 07:01.54 | Dewi | eagles0513875: you can go straight to whatever, but stable is the only thing thoroughly tested |
| 07:02.00 | peterS | eagles0513875: you don't want to do that. for one thing, experimental isn't a full distribution, it's just pieces of things newer than sid. so if you want do to that, upgrade to sid, and _also_ have an experimental line in sources.list, so you can manually install things from there |
| 07:02.25 | eagles0513875 | petern_: sid is the testing version for things prior to them getting into stable release |
| 07:02.26 | Dewi | eagles0513875: and it's not easy to come back (although for single packages it's not too bad) |
| 07:02.43 | Dewi | eagles0513875: no packages flow experimental -> sid -> testing -> stable |
| 07:02.45 | peterS | eagles0513875: no, that would be wheezy. sid is also known as 'unstable'. experimental is ... more unstable than sid. |
| 07:02.47 | eagles0513875 | ok make is only thing i need now |
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| 07:03.45 | Vbitz | my am currently running squeeze on a amd vision laptop, how do i enable accelerated graphics |
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| 07:03.55 | Dewi | eagles0513875: testing means "no problems found for a couple of weeks", sid/unstable means "we assume this basically works", experimental means even less assurances |
| 07:04.01 | Russ | peterS, now the question is how to build said package for i386 |
| 07:04.04 | peterS | Vbitz: what's your graphics chip? 'lspci | grep VGA' will tell |
| 07:04.16 | eagles0513875 | debhelper: ok thanks for the clarification |
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| 07:04.55 | peterS | Russ: if you have a build chroot set up, it's easy enough. If not ... and if you trust a random punter from IRC not to trojan your binary packages ... I can build it for you real quick |
| 07:05.03 | Russ | ah |
| 07:05.06 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: is it possible to install adobe flash instead of gnash as i never managed to get gnash to work |
| 07:05.08 | Russ | I'll just use my i386 debian box :) |
| 07:05.21 | peterS | heh, that works too |
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| 07:05.34 | Russ | too bad there isn't a multiarch binutils and such |
| 07:05.44 | Vbitz | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] and 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5600 Series] |
| 07:05.49 | peterS | there is. but it doesn't let you build packages that dpkg knows are for a different arch |
| 07:06.09 | Russ | suppose chroot is the simple solution |
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| 07:06.39 | Dewi | eagles0513875: yeah I think it's in nonfree or something these days? |
| 07:06.39 | peterS | It is. if you use pbuilder, it's not that hard to initialize a 32-bit chroot for it |
| 07:06.50 | eagles0513875 | is that listed by default in the sources list |
| 07:06.58 | peterS | pbuilder command-line args for picking your build chroot and stuff like that can get annoying, so I have a script that handles the dirty details for me |
| 07:07.02 | Dewi | eagles0513875: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:07.19 | Dewi | eagles0513875: you need to make sure the 'deb' line has 'contrib' listed after main |
| 07:07.51 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: i dont have that repo at all |
| 07:07.54 | peterS | Russ: anyway, if you do trust a random IRC encounter, I've now put binary packages at that same location (http://p12n.org:8080/tmp/xtst-multiarch/) |
| 07:07.55 | Dewi | eagles0513875: similar to: deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 07:08.05 | Vbitz | peterS 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200] and 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Redwood [Radeon HD 5600 Series] |
| 07:08.08 | eagles0513875 | is that a valid repo Dewi |
| 07:08.09 | Dewi | eagles0513875: it's not an additional repo, just a word on the end of the line |
| 07:08.26 | Dewi | eagles0513875: yes but it's my local mirror in australia |
| 07:08.28 | Russ | peterS, that's alright, I already built mine |
| 07:08.41 | eagles0513875 | also Dewi in that repo are there graphics card drivers or do those need to be installed from upstream such as nvidia |
| 07:08.46 | peterS | Vbitz: guessing you probably need the 'firmware-linux-nonfree' package, which ships driver firmware for various Radeon chips among others |
| 07:09.16 | Vbitz | then can i just reboot, will this play games |
| 07:09.27 | Dewi | eagles0513875: I believe both kinds are in debian repos somewhere |
| 07:09.39 | Dewi | eagles0513875: (opensource and closed) |
| 07:09.43 | Dewi | !nvidia |
| 07:09.43 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:10.02 | eagles0513875 | !nvidia dkms |
| 07:10.02 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 07:10.03 | Kellis | So what my ex did one epic night when I was rock hard inside her was that she told me in a lewd voice how she'd see to it that our sons, if we had any, would be tightly circumcised and that she'd like to circumcise them herself and that "men don't deserve all that sensitivity anyway". Shit like that. Perfect dirty talk. I came buckets. |
| 07:10.22 | Dewi | Kellis: wow, you're still here |
| 07:10.23 | eagles0513875 | um think we have a spammer in the house |
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| 07:10.33 | peterS | you can look but you can't talk |
| 07:10.37 | eagles0513875 | runs away scared of peterS :p |
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| 07:10.53 | peterS | guess he didn't want to look but not talk |
| 07:11.44 | Russ | wonders what is wrong with people |
| 07:11.51 | eagles0513875 | skiddies hehe |
| 07:11.54 | eagles0513875 | script kiddies |
| 07:12.05 | eagles0513875 | i have seen a worse irc network and that is undernet |
| 07:12.14 | Dewi | eagles0513875: I didn't explain the sources thing very well. Basically there is a limited selection of non-open software, you just have to add "contrib" and "non-free" next to where it already says "main" in your sources lines |
| 07:12.19 | peterS | Russ: an hour ago he was ranting about dirty electricity. I have no idea what that was about. but I warned him to stop. guess he decided to go in a totally different direction now. |
| 07:12.30 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: i added another 2 repos of main and added that |
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| 07:13.41 | eagles0513875 | so i have main and then another 2 with main contrib non-free |
| 07:13.42 | peterS | Vbitz: the way the radeon kernel module works, it requests firmware blobs, and if they're there, they get loaded, and your driver has certain 3D capabilities; if they aren't there on your system, they don't get loaded, and your X driver probably decides it can't do certain 3D stuff |
| 07:13.55 | peterS | Vbitz: so yeah, rebooting after installing firmware-linux-nonfree is probably all it takes |
| 07:14.04 | eagles0513875 | Dewi: deb http://debian.fastbull.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib deb-src http://debian.fastbull.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib those good like that |
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| 07:14.20 | simonlnu | would have been happy not seeing that... |
| 07:14.34 | eagles0513875 | not seeing what simonlnu |
| 07:14.39 | simonlnu | peterS: thank you for (*finally*) removing him |
| 07:14.51 | peterS | simonlnu: well, when I warned him an hour ago he shut up. so. |
| 07:15.15 | peterS | I figured I could wait to see if his meds wore off again before actually shutting him up |
| 07:15.30 | simonlnu | heh |
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| 07:16.24 | kuznetzvo | Kellis? |
| 07:16.35 | peterS | Hodor! |
| 07:16.48 | kuznetzvo | he has been trolling the fuck out of ##hardware -.- |
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| 07:17.16 | peterS | oh dear. someone suggested here that he go there as his discussion of 'electrical pollution' was not on-topic here |
| 07:17.31 | simonlnu | i suggested #defocus ;) |
| 07:17.35 | Vbitz | peterS: by radeon kernal module do you mean the prosperity drivers |
| 07:17.59 | simonlnu | prosperity? |
| 07:17.59 | kuznetzvo | yeah he pretty much cut straight to the chase by talking about ridiculous sexual activity |
| 07:18.22 | peterS | Vbitz: I actually don't know much about modern radeon chips. the firmware-linux-nonfree driver covers firmware for quite a few chips from R100 through RV770 but I don't know whether it's anything to do with the two radeon chips you possess |
| 07:19.09 | peterS | errrm ... s/driver/package/ obviously. I think I need to get some sleep. |
| 07:19.31 | simonlnu | peterS: g'night man |
| 07:19.42 | kuznetzvo | ditto. cheers |
| 07:19.43 | peterS | later fellas and fellettes |
| 07:19.48 | simonlnu | i'm headed there too |
| 07:20.03 | beardy | too |
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| 07:26.01 | eagles0513875 | hey guys what graphics driver should i install for my 8800gt |
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| 07:43.56 | SkilZ | Somethere weird is going on |
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| 07:44.30 | SkilZ | there is an add for www.ipspeeds.net playing on my desktop, I can see it throw my browser and in a pidgin chat window and file manager |
| 07:44.35 | SkilZ | its at the top of my screen |
| 07:44.36 | SkilZ | wtf |
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| 07:45.22 | SkilZ | woah |
| 07:45.26 | SkilZ | it just dissapeared |
| 07:45.29 | SkilZ | how strange |
| 07:46.01 | SkilZ | Has my system been compremised? |
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| 07:57.53 | Gredeu | during debian wheezy install can i drop down to a terminal and install firmware-realtek to complete the installation process ? |
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| 08:04.57 | jelly-home | SkilZ: nvidia's binary video driver has an interesting bug where flash plugin output can bleed through to other apps when you change workspace or otherwise hide the browser window with flash |
| 08:05.08 | jelly-home | SkilZ: this sounds a bit like what you're describing |
| 08:05.58 | jelly-home | SkilZ: close that browser tab or scroll it elsewhere so that flash is not visible |
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| 08:15.43 | shirish | hi all, I am on a friend's windows and debian shared box. |
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| 08:16.32 | shirish | now he wants to take an ntfs partition out and format it to ext4 and add that space for / |
| 08:16.42 | shirish | how do I go about doing that. |
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| 08:18.33 | bookmark | cfdisk probably |
| 08:18.38 | bookmark | and then mkfs |
| 08:20.02 | shirish | bookmark: there does not seem to a package called cfdisk |
| 08:20.14 | bookmark | just type cfdisk |
| 08:20.17 | jelly-home | shirish: is his / in a lvm? |
| 08:20.52 | dyek | I don't completely understand how to specify the right grub.cfg file located in a LVM Volume for boot. I have multiple hard disks and I intend to install grub2 on all of the MBRs. The relevant /boot/ directory is not on any of the /dev/sd*, but in a LVM. I kept booting the grub.cfg menu from the wrong LVM volume. "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" would do everything, but I'm hoping to figure out the one step that matters, where the LVM volume contain |
| 08:20.53 | dyek | ing the right grub.cfg file to use is specified into core.img. Anybody knows the answer? |
| 08:21.01 | jelly-home | shirish: a separate filesystem can only be mounted on a separate mountpoint, not / |
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| 08:21.17 | shirish | jelly-home : / is an a separate ext4 partition. |
| 08:21.39 | shirish | jelly-home: we would be formatting the ntfs filesystem so it becomes an ext4 filesystem. |
| 08:21.41 | jelly-home | shirish: and if you want to extend that filesystem, you will have to extend that partition first. |
| 08:21.58 | jelly-home | not create a second ext4 fs |
| 08:22.16 | shirish | jelly-home: so how do I go about doing that ? |
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| 08:23.13 | jelly-home | shirish: first, backup the system. Second, use a tool like gparted to delete the ntfs partitions, move partitions around if needed, and grow the linux one |
| 08:23.40 | jelly-home | shirish: gparted has a livecd |
| 08:23.54 | shirish | jelly-home: I have gparted installed. |
| 08:24.07 | jelly-home | shirish: and you can't use it from the very same disk |
| 08:24.31 | jelly-home | the disk to be messed with has to be unmounted, not in use at all |
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| 08:25.26 | shirish | ok, going to download a gparted live CD. |
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| 08:27.09 | jelly-home | I'm not kidding with that backup. Resizing and moving partitions around can result in data loss. |
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| 08:27.38 | digdilem_ | r, seconded. Extremely high risk activity. |
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| 08:27.49 | jelly-home | shirish: even if there's no data loss, the system might be unbootable until the boot manager is reinstalled |
| 08:28.26 | bookmark | you know that windows can change the size of partitions |
| 08:28.42 | bookmark | in the administrative tools |
| 08:28.44 | shirish | jelly-home: hmm.... is gparted live cd only 0.1 MB ? |
| 08:28.53 | shirish | bookmark: did that. took the backup of that partition. |
| 08:29.12 | bookmark | but did you md5sum it? ; ) |
| 08:29.20 | bookmark | to make sure the copy was perfect |
| 08:29.50 | shirish | bookmark: took the backup one by one folder, didn't md5sum it as that would have taken too much time. |
| 08:30.02 | bookmark | i dd my windows |
| 08:30.06 | shirish | bookmark: also most of the stuff is expendable. |
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| 08:30.22 | bookmark | yeah but i hate baby sitting installers |
| 08:30.29 | bookmark | so i just dd my windows :) |
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| 08:30.43 | jelly-home | shirish: it's not |
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| 08:32.25 | shirish | jelly-home: correct. I am downloading the latest stable image, its around 100 MB or thereabouts. |
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| 08:32.56 | shirish | jelly-home: curious though as to why the sourceforge.net page gives wrong size info. http://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/gparted-live-stable/0.9.0-7/ |
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| 08:37.19 | jelly-home | shirish: other partitions may be affected as well, gparted likes to realign and reorder stuff |
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| 08:37.45 | EyesIsMine|iPod | I mucked up the hostname upon installation, any way I can change it without hurting X? |
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| 08:38.28 | jelly-home | EyesIsMine|iPod: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 08:39.44 | Vbitz | so far on squeeze my wireless is not working the chipset is an atheros wireless ar9285, my current dirver is ath9k and it is not scaning any networks using wicd |
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| 08:39.58 | eagles0513875 | Vbitz: |
| 08:40.05 | eagles0513875 | Vbitz: you need to insert the kernel module |
| 08:40.12 | eagles0513875 | i needed to do the same thing |
| 08:40.19 | eagles0513875 | need the same driver |
| 08:40.22 | Vbitz | eagles0513875, how |
| 08:40.40 | shaoner | modprobe module_name |
| 08:40.51 | eagles0513875 | ^ Vbitz where module_name is ath9k |
| 08:41.04 | eagles0513875 | shaoner: whats teh command to make sure the module loads on reboot |
| 08:41.43 | babilen | eagles0513875, Vbitz: Add it to /etc/modules |
| 08:42.03 | eagles0513875 | babilen: isnt there a command to do that instead of adding it manually |
| 08:42.08 | babilen | (not sure if that is really necessary) |
| 08:42.25 | shaoner | yep, you can also check that the module is well loaded by running lsmod |
| 08:42.41 | babilen | eagles0513875: echo "MODULE_NAME" > /etc/modules ? ;) |
| 08:42.49 | eagles0513875 | lol |
| 08:42.55 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Okay, now I have nuked my server completely |
| 08:43.11 | EyesIsMine|iPod | When X dies and the server stops respoding to SSH |
| 08:43.13 | eagles0513875 | that should do the trick for ya shaoner :) |
| 08:43.18 | Vbitz | it is loaded currently |
| 08:43.21 | EyesIsMine|iPod | What should I do? |
| 08:43.28 | eagles0513875 | Vbitz: then ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 08:43.30 | babilen | s/>/>>/ btw :-( |
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| 08:44.22 | Vbitz | although i still can not see any networks when i scan using wicd |
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| 08:44.30 | shaoner | EyesIsMine|iPod: is it responding to ping ? |
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| 08:44.38 | eagles0513875 | Vbitz: you sure the interface is up |
| 08:44.42 | Vbitz | yes |
| 08:44.44 | eagles0513875 | odd |
| 08:45.00 | Vbitz | i have a wireless switch on my keyboard |
| 08:45.08 | Vbitz | a key type one |
| 08:45.10 | eagles0513875 | also bring it up on command line |
| 08:45.15 | eagles0513875 | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 08:45.24 | Vbitz | i have done that |
| 08:45.28 | eagles0513875 | and still nothing |
| 08:45.52 | EyesIsMine|iPod | shaoner: Er, how would I do that via my iPod? |
| 08:46.11 | Vbitz | correct |
| 08:46.24 | babilen | Vbitz: Can you scan it using "iwlist INTERFACE scan" ? (replace INTERFACE with the interface in question, e.g. wlan0) |
| 08:46.26 | Vbitz | using the switch does toggle it |
| 08:47.17 | Vbitz | it worked but why can wicd not see that |
| 08:47.57 | EyesIsMine|iPod | shaoner: All pings failed |
| 08:48.17 | shaoner | so nothing to do, you will have to hard reboot it |
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| 08:48.30 | babilen | Vbitz: Is wicd configured to use that specific interface? There have also been reports that wicd does not work with all chipsets and it is not developed anymore anyway -- You might want to check its configuration and test network-manager. |
| 08:48.59 | EyesIsMine|iPod | shaoner: It's done it twice this week, I had to do fsck |
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| 08:49.50 | shaoner | EyesIsMine|iPod: did you check logs ? it could help to understand why X is crashing |
| 08:50.22 | EyesIsMine|iPod | shaoner: I can't, The ctrl+F1 prompt locks up too |
| 08:51.09 | Vbitz | babilen, do i just need to install network-manager or do i also need to install something else, my window manager is awesome |
| 08:51.50 | EyesIsMine|iPod | eh, it just seemed to restart itself |
| 08:52.32 | shaoner | EyesIsMine|iPod: Maybe you could mount the partition with /var/logs in another stable system ? |
| 08:52.37 | babilen | Vbitz: You probably want/need nm-applet -- I'd recommend network-manager-gnome -- So wicd was configured correctly? |
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| 08:53.17 | EyesIsMine|iPod | shaoner: eh? |
| 08:53.18 | shaoner | EyesIsMine|iPod: even if it is annoying to do that... |
| 08:53.32 | shaoner | then you could check logs.. |
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| 08:53.43 | EyesIsMine|iPod | It seemed to restart itself |
| 08:53.54 | Vbitz | babilen, i have installed network-manager-gnome and removed wicd |
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| 08:54.06 | EyesIsMine|iPod | X is up again and it is accepting incoming again |
| 08:54.17 | Vbitz | how do i start the ui for network-manager-gnome |
| 08:54.18 | dreamer | so, can anyone tell me why .Xcompose isn't being used by the compose key? |
| 08:54.39 | dreamer | was trying to use https://github.com/kragen/xcompose to be able to use more characters |
| 08:54.53 | EyesIsMine|iPod | If I was to reinstall Debian, what should I copy over to my other drive? |
| 08:54.54 | shaoner | check logs anyway, because if it is a non-deterministic behaviour, it could crash again |
| 08:55.09 | babilen | Vbitz: It is "nm-applet" |
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| 08:55.54 | EyesIsMine|iPod | I know I should cp /home, /var/www and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 08:56.23 | Vbitz | alright i can now see it |
| 08:56.28 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Anything else? |
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| 09:11.21 | jelly | EyesIsMine|iPod: databases? Mail? package set? |
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| 09:11.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell EyesIsMine|iPod about what to backup |
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| 09:11.52 | vbitz | hello again, wireless is still not working and i am getting a error on the console, connection activation failed |
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| 09:12.34 | vbitz | my network manager is network-manager-gnome and i am using nm-applet |
| 09:12.46 | ShishKabab | Does anyone know of a tool like Netcat that can connect to Unix sockets? |
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| 09:13.19 | bais | hi |
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| 09:14.48 | jelly | ShishKabab: socat |
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| 09:19.59 | ShishKabab | jelly: Interesting, could you give me the command to use? When I use socat unix-connect:/path/to/socket it tells me that I should give it two addresses. When I use a space instead of a colon it tells me I've passed 0 instead of 1 parameter. |
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| 09:20.06 | cedrfn | dpkg, tell cedrfn about what to backup |
| 09:20.19 | vbitz | so can anyone help me with my wi-fi issue |
| 09:21.55 | ShishKabab | jelly: Aha, passing stdio as the second parameter works. Thanks for the tip! |
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| 09:35.50 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Forced restart of X <3 |
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| 09:36.33 | Lionel_ | rmoutard : hello |
| 09:36.39 | vbitz | does anyone have any idea why my netwi |
| 09:36.57 | Supernova | Okay, going to backup then re-install Debian |
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| 09:37.21 | vbitz | why network-manager is not connecting to my wpa2 network |
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| 09:38.13 | PerfDave | vbitz: Based on the information you've provided us with, I have no idea. |
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| 09:39.18 | vbitz | PerfDave What can i say to help fix this issue |
| 09:39.59 | PerfDave | vbitz: Has it worked before? Can you connect through any other means? What happens that means it's "not connecting"? What do the network manager logs say? |
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| 09:41.13 | dreamer | hmm, seems this bug is still around: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544646 |
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| 09:43.06 | vbitz | looks like it needed a reboot |
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| 09:50.01 | alinux__99 | hi how can I prevent vpnc from changing the /etc/resolv.conf file without chattr +i |
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| 09:51.33 | eugenmayer | how would i check how much my clock is diverged from my NTP server ( kerberos issues ) |
| 09:51.37 | jelly | alinux__99: man vpnc, search for... resolv.conf |
| 09:51.45 | eugenmayer | cant see such an option in ntpupdate |
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| 09:53.33 | cYmen | If I get "failed: Invalid argument" from mount. What's the next step to figuring out what's wrong? |
| 09:53.57 | petemc | what exact command are you using? |
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| 09:56.01 | cYmen | Just mount /dev/diskfoo /somedir |
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| 09:56.21 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:00.30 | cYmen | petemc: Ah, read error on some block, unable to recover journal... I'll try fsck |
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| 10:00.46 | ttz | Hi there! |
| 10:01.05 | Hadoken | hi people |
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| 10:01.19 | Hadoken | can some help-me on mysql |
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| 10:01.23 | Hadoken | ? |
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| 10:02.00 | th0r | Hadoken: you will probably have more luck in #mysql |
| 10:02.15 | Hadoken | ok |
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| 10:13.55 | ttz | I'm experiencing some problems to make the java plugin work in Iceweasel. As a starting point, I try the Java version tester from the Oracle website, it just s |
| 10:13.58 | ttz | talls. |
| 10:14.05 | SkilZ | Im not sure where to ask this but, in skype, during a video call, the person at the other end can see my cam fine, but I can't see theirs, nor can I see my own cam preview, just trying to figure this out. Sorry if its off topic, but google didint really say too much about it and I have no idea where else to ask. Thanks. |
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| 10:14.55 | ttz | I've strace'd the java binary spawn by iceweasel and it invariably blocks on "futex(0xb6c62bd8, FUTEX_WAIT, 14314, NULL". Then a timeout occurs in Iceweasel which sends a SIGTERM to the java process, which seems to catch it and finally exits with status 143. |
| 10:15.12 | ttz | And the java applet from Oracle is never run :). |
| 10:15.40 | Eyes|Infinite | ugh, why does it take so long to cp -r /var /media/DATA |
| 10:17.04 | ttz | Eyes|Infinite: probably much data and/or much files. Run strace on you cp process to see if it's not blocked on a file. |
| 10:17.15 | Eyes|Infinite | eh. |
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| 10:19.22 | ttz | Eyes|Infinite: ah that was just a comment like you would but of Facebook ;-) Sorry I didn't get it at first :) |
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| 10:19.33 | ttz | s/but/put/ |
| 10:19.44 | Eyes|Infinite | ttz@ not really |
| 10:20.11 | Eyes|Infinite | just did strace cp |
| 10:20.14 | Eyes|Infinite | WHAT THE |
| 10:20.38 | Eyes|Infinite | I'm going to re-install Debian anyway |
| 10:20.50 | Eyes|Infinite | How do you setup RAID support in the installtion? |
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| 10:25.47 | ayambit | It's Linux. Reinstallation doesn't work here anyway. |
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| 10:26.30 | Eyes|Infinite | I mucked up some stuff in the installation |
| 10:26.43 | Eyes|Infinite | And now it has a habit of dying every time the screesaver kicks in |
| 10:26.44 | ayambit | What stuff exactly> |
| 10:28.18 | Eyes|Infinite | Hostname, system name |
| 10:28.26 | Eyes|Infinite | I tried changing them |
| 10:28.33 | Eyes|Infinite | hazzah x fails |
| 10:29.30 | ayambit | What fails? what's system name anyway? |
| 10:29.41 | ayambit | Hostname is just a line in /etc/hostname |
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| 10:31.32 | Eyes|Infinite | The X server crashes |
| 10:31.38 | Eyes|Infinite | It lasts overnight |
| 10:31.41 | Eyes|Infinite | Then dies |
| 10:31.51 | Eyes|Infinite | I need to re-install with RAID support anyway |
| 10:32.04 | ayambit | You can enable raid support without reinstalling. |
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| 10:32.24 | ayambit | As for X crashes, are you sure it's X? Maybe it's some program? |
| 10:33.22 | dreamer | hmm, anyone know why the 6.0.2 installer doesn't soo my pci->sata disks? (and consequently only 1/3 the disks of my raid, without which they don't work) |
| 10:33.36 | dreamer | see* |
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| 10:34.48 | Hadoken | 'im getting this error on debian squeeze: mysqld[6839]: segfault at 328 ip 00007f4ee62811bd sp 00007f4ddef81820 error 4 in libpthread-2.11.2.so[7f4ee6275000+17000] |
| 10:34.52 | ayambit | If installer doesn't see your raid controller, why 1/3 IS available? |
| 10:34.58 | Hadoken | anyone? |
| 10:35.15 | ayambit | Hadoken: when do encounter this error? |
| 10:35.20 | ayambit | *when do you |
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| 10:36.02 | Hadoken | well on every single day after that mysql automatly restart |
| 10:36.25 | Hadoken | can it be hardware fault? |
| 10:36.52 | ayambit | Hadoken: how do you use mysql? What is running on your box? |
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| 10:37.23 | Hadoken | it's a debian mysql dedicated server |
| 10:37.28 | dreamer | ayambit: it's not a raid controller (where did I say this?) I have one ide disk on the mobos ide-controller. then 2 sata disks on a pci-sata controller |
| 10:37.45 | dreamer | the installer does not see the sata disks |
| 10:37.55 | Hadoken | running on a dell 2950 |
| 10:38.16 | Hadoken | running on a dellpoweredge 2950 |
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| 10:38.46 | ayambit | dreamer: what are you r sata-controllers? |
| 10:39.13 | ayambit | Hadoken: as I understand, problem can't be repeated at will? |
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| 10:40.10 | dreamer | ayambit: what do you mean? |
| 10:40.12 | Hadoken | at will no |
| 10:40.25 | dreamer | ayambit: you want to know the brand? |
| 10:40.43 | ayambit | dreamer: yes |
| 10:41.06 | dreamer | ayambit: no idea :) (not home atm actually) I was just wondering if this is 'normal/regular' behaviour |
| 10:41.26 | Eyes|Infinite | I'm reinstalling, screw that |
| 10:41.45 | ayambit | Hadoken: I would test the system under different loads and make some profiling. If you want to make sure, you can use "memtester" package. |
| 10:42.12 | ayambit | Hadoken: I mean, if you want to make sure that you hardware is ok. But I actually think it is. |
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| 10:43.06 | ayambit | dreamer: it's not normal, I don't remember having such problems. Can you paste your 'dmesg' output to pastebin? |
| 10:43.28 | dreamer | ayambit: when I am home, perhaps |
| 10:44.00 | ayambit | dreamer: till then I can't actually say what's wrong :-P |
| 10:44.27 | dreamer | heh, k |
| 10:44.45 | dreamer | ayambit: lemme check if I can find the brand somehow |
| 10:45.45 | dreamer | I believe it's an ICIDU |
| 10:46.09 | dreamer | http://www.icidu.com/index.php/interface-card/esata-pci-card.html << this one |
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| 10:46.29 | dreamer | (and yes, I put the jumpers correctly so the internal ports are used) |
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| 10:47.51 | Eyes|Infinite | what is the option inside the installer to install using RAID |
| 10:48.29 | ayambit | Eyes|Infinite: as I remember you can chose to use raid then installing. Btw, are you disks raid edition? |
| 10:48.42 | Eyes|Infinite | huh? |
| 10:48.47 | Eyes|Infinite | "Btw, are you disks raid edition?" |
| 10:48.49 | Eyes|Infinite | what? |
| 10:49.23 | nevyn | Eyes|Infinite: not all disk SKU's are created equal |
| 10:49.51 | petern_ | not entirely relevant to the question, thoguh |
| 10:49.59 | ayambit | Eyes|Infinite: use standart cheap disks for raid can be extremely bad idead. |
| 10:50.13 | Eyes|Infinite | I'm using 2 500GB SATA drivers |
| 10:50.16 | petern_ | ayambit, it's still better than not using RAID |
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| 10:50.43 | ayambit | petern_ i disagree. it has nothing to do with quality of the disks themselves. |
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| 10:51.11 | petern_ | i didn't say it was |
| 10:51.28 | petern_ | a mirror with inappropriate disks is still a mirror |
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| 10:52.10 | Eyes|Infinite | I've backed up /home /var/ /usr/local /usr/src /srv /opt /etc onto my other disc, anything else I should do? |
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| 10:52.36 | ayambit | perern_ if standart disk in a mirror encounters a bad block, it enters in extended recovery mode which causes it to be ejected from raid (at least it is true for hw raids) |
| 10:52.52 | Eyes|Infinite | ayambit, nice to know earlier |
| 10:53.23 | Eyes|Infinite | As one of my drives has been kicked from my RAID array |
| 10:53.34 | ayambit | dreamer: I don't know if it helps, but you can try to see here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ |
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| 10:54.49 | dreamer | ok, thnx |
| 10:54.54 | ayambit | Eyes|Infinite: sometimes you can set the timeout for recovery in the drive itself, using some vendor's util |
| 10:54.59 | dreamer | I'll try to arrange a dmesg-dump when I get home :) |
| 10:55.04 | ayambit | Eyes|Infinite: here's relevant info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-Limited_Error_Recovery |
| 10:55.11 | dreamer | (and lspci if that helps) |
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| 10:55.43 | ayambit | dreamer: you can try lshw also, it's more human readable |
| 10:56.17 | Eyes|Infinite | ew |
| 10:56.24 | petern_ | ayambit, yeah. you still missed the point :) |
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| 10:56.43 | Eyes|Infinite | I want to specify a WPA key not a WEP key |
| 10:56.57 | dreamer | ayambit: hmm, never seen that |
| 10:57.03 | dreamer | don't even have it on my sid machine .. |
| 10:57.44 | ayambit | petern_: do you mean 'Linux mdadm simply holds and lets the drive complete its recovery, so using that has no issues'? If so, I didn't know this, but if it's true no problem then. |
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| 10:58.00 | ayambit | I'd recheck by hand anyway. |
| 10:58.04 | Eyes|Infinite | I want it to use a WPA key in the setup not a WEP key, how do I get it to do that? |
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| 10:59.10 | mastro | can you give me the command line equivalent in aptitude search for "apt-cache search word1 word2 word3" ? |
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| 10:59.56 | mastro | I'm reading the documentation of aptitude search and I find as mush as powerful as it is not user friendly |
| 11:00.12 | dreamer | damn, why isn't lshw installed by default? o.O |
| 11:00.18 | Kasreyn | hi, just wondering how i can modify udev rules to remove spam messages like these on a SheevaPlug: "Buffer I/O error on device mtdblock0, logical block 0" it probably has something to do with MTD devices not having any partition data. checked the rules in /dev/rules.d/ which should ignore mtd[0-9] but i still get the warnings |
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| 11:03.20 | Eyes|Infinite | Anyone? In the Debian installer I want to use WPA key instead of a WEP key |
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| 11:04.36 | dreamer | ayambit: that url you gave is useless. it says nothing about sata controllers |
| 11:05.07 | Kasreyn | actually my /etc/udev/rules.d/ did not contain "60-persistent-storage.rules". so i copied it in from /lib/udev/rules.d/ but i still get the warnings |
| 11:05.41 | Kasreyn | wait .. those rules in /lib/udev/rules.d/ are read by default? |
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| 11:06.40 | ayambit | dreamer: I found this: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 11:06.58 | djura-san | o/~ |
| 11:07.33 | dreamer | ok, cute |
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| 11:07.47 | dreamer | no idea what chipset that icidu controller uses though (doubt it's their own) |
| 11:08.00 | dreamer | anyway, will be home in ~4 hours) |
| 11:08.34 | cherrybone | how do I find out to what package a command belongs to? (for example, how would I find out that cp belongs to coreutils?) |
| 11:08.43 | Eyes|Infinite | ugh. |
| 11:09.03 | Eyes|Infinite | Does GNOME come on CD-1 by default? |
| 11:09.07 | ayambit | cherrybone: one way will be installing apt-file package |
| 11:09.11 | Eyes|Infinite | Or does it not |
| 11:09.23 | cherrybone | Eyes|Infinite: it does |
| 11:09.45 | Eyes|Infinite | Ah, good |
| 11:09.54 | Eyes|Infinite | So I can setup my network inside GNOME |
| 11:10.09 | Arafangion | This reminds me of how someone tried to fix a computer problem I had without even looking at the operating system I was running. |
| 11:10.30 | ayambit | cherrybone: official method is described here: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html#s-filesearch |
| 11:10.58 | cherrybone | Eyes|Infinite, ayambit: thanks |
| 11:11.11 | Bushmills | Eyes|Infinite: consider that gnome programs tend to run with privileges of the user, while network setup is something for administrators, running as root |
| 11:11.27 | Eyes|Infinite | Bushmills, I mean, I coudn't setup WPA inside the installer |
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| 11:11.33 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 11:11.37 | Eyes|Infinite | Hello. |
| 11:12.17 | ayambit | Eyes|Infinite: are you actually sure you want debian? If I'd want to configure my system from GUI, I'd use ubuntu instead. |
| 11:12.18 | Bushmills | ah. yes. netinst is preferably used with a wired connection |
| 11:12.33 | Eyes|Infinite | Bushmills, I installed from CD1 |
| 11:12.33 | mah454 | How can i config ati driver in debian : aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
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| 11:12.42 | Eyes|Infinite | ayambit, yes |
| 11:12.53 | mah454 | this is output of aticonfig command : aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
| 11:13.30 | Eyes|Infinite | I think I mucked my system up when trying to apt-get install -t experimental mono2 |
| 11:14.04 | mah454 | this is lspci : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M] |
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| 11:14.56 | mah454 | i use debian 6 stable (squeeze) |
| 11:15.39 | ayambit | mah454: after installing flgrx maybe you should fix your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 11:15.45 | ayambit | And restart your x-server |
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| 11:16.15 | mah454 | ayambit How can do this ? (what Command ?) |
| 11:16.34 | mah454 | ayambit I have not xorg.conf ! |
| 11:17.17 | ayambit | mah454: um, i think you should create one and specify flgrx there, but let me check... |
| 11:17.55 | wols_ | !tell mah454 about fglrx dkms |
| 11:18.14 | archman | managed to build and install the kernel with tuxonice. however, hibernation runs fine, but resuming doesn't. it just starts like i did a power off. can "resume=swap:/dev/sda1:0x9d8000" in grub2 with 2.6.32 be used at all? |
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| 11:18.38 | Eyes|Infinite | Blimey, quick bootup |
| 11:18.45 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi |
| 11:18.45 | wols_ | archman: check your grub.cfg it should be there and if it is, the kernel gets it on bootup |
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| 11:19.03 | Eyes|Infinite | Yay, system reinstalled |
| 11:19.19 | koshieFinalReliz | To give a name to a chroot I need to create a file named debian_chroot in /etc (of chroot), disconnect from it and reconnect, right ? |
| 11:19.39 | wols_ | koshieFinalReliz: why does a chroot need a name? |
| 11:20.10 | koshieFinalReliz | wols_, To know everytimes where I'm working, in the chroot or on the host. But it's not the question. |
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| 11:20.27 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm, what's the GNOME networking thingy called |
| 11:20.39 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: networkmanager ? |
| 11:20.46 | koshieFinalReliz | Eyes|Infinite, networkmanager |
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| 11:20.49 | mah454 | wols_ this packages installed : http://pastebin.com/vp4EKzrh |
| 11:21.01 | Eyes|Infinite | Didn't work |
| 11:21.14 | Eyes|Infinite | bash: networkmanager: command not found |
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| 11:21.21 | abrotman | network-manager |
| 11:21.32 | mah454 | wols_ but i have problem with ati ... ! |
| 11:21.32 | abrotman | and you probably want the applet |
| 11:21.33 | Eyes|Infinite | Still nope |
| 11:21.36 | ayambit | koshieFinalReliz: shouldn't you specify your hostname in your chroot home forder profile file? |
| 11:21.40 | ayambit | mah454: try this: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 11:21.56 | archman | wols_: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124285/raw |
| 11:21.57 | ayambit | koshieFinalReliz: sorry, not hostname, PS1 |
| 11:22.01 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: nm-applet IIRC |
| 11:22.01 | archman | wols_: doesn't work like this ^ |
| 11:22.21 | Eyes|Infinite | Nada |
| 11:22.41 | koshieFinalReliz | I think there are more simple, a small file in / etc. But when I do it does not work. Yet I'm sure it's something like that. ayambit |
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| 11:22.53 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: network-manager-gnome |
| 11:22.53 | Eyes|Infinite | I don't actually have access to the internet on the server |
| 11:23.07 | Eyes|Infinite | Nope. |
| 11:23.07 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: that's the one, install it |
| 11:23.14 | Eyes|Infinite | I can't install it |
| 11:23.24 | Eyes|Infinite | I need that to connect to the internet |
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| 11:23.44 | Eyes|Infinite | When I re-installed, it didn't give me an option to use WPA |
| 11:23.46 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: you don't need it |
| 11:23.56 | Eyes|Infinite | And I forgot to install Standard System Utilities |
| 11:24.07 | Eyes|Infinite | ... I'm an idiot, right? |
| 11:24.07 | abrotman | why is he asking about network-manager on gnome with a server? |
| 11:24.07 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: from which installed did you install? |
| 11:24.12 | Eyes|Infinite | CD-1 |
| 11:24.17 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: download it with its dependencies and install with dpkg, if you want it; you could use ifup to get on the net, though |
| 11:24.30 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: then you have wpasupplicant on that CD and can install it. that's all you need for WLAN |
| 11:24.42 | wols_ | and CD1 has network manager too |
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| 11:25.33 | archman | wols_: doesn't work with "resume" in grub.cfg - other ideas? |
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| 11:26.15 | Eyes|Infinite | Yeah, where would I find network manager on the cd |
| 11:26.16 | Spida | do I understand it correctly, that debian package repositories have extensions for py.test (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-pytest-xdist), but not py.test itself? |
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| 11:27.10 | wols_ | archman: none. don't use tuxonice, sorry |
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| 11:27.41 | archman | ok |
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| 11:28.10 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: you have an entry for CD1 already in your sources.list. apt tells you to put in the CD automatically |
| 11:28.20 | Eyes|Infinite | agh |
| 11:28.22 | Eyes|Infinite | ah |
| 11:28.27 | koshieFinalReliz | So, no one know about the good way to named a chroot ? |
| 11:29.17 | ayambit | koshieFinalReliz: what exactly do you mean by 'named chroot'? |
| 11:29.22 | Eyes|Infinite | What's the package name for the network amanger? |
| 11:29.34 | koshieFinalReliz | ayambit, Before the prompt you have (NAME) |
| 11:29.45 | koshieFinalReliz | like (NAME)HOST:/# |
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| 11:30.40 | ayambit | put PS1="CHROOT$PS1" in you .bashrc in chroot, i think it'll do it. |
| 11:30.53 | koshieFinalReliz | ayambit, I will try that, thanks |
| 11:31.34 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: if you're looking for the gnome nm-applet, it's network-manager-gnome, as I said.. |
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| 11:31.59 | Eyes|Infinite | archman, yes, sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome returns nothing |
| 11:32.20 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: so it's not on the cd, or you haven't setup your cd repo properly |
| 11:32.54 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: what does "aptitude search network-manager" return? |
| 11:33.21 | Eyes|Infinite | Nothing |
| 11:33.52 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: there cannot be nothing. either it installs or you get an error. not nothing |
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| 11:34.02 | Eyes|Infinite | Was at archman |
| 11:34.14 | Eyes|Infinite | aptitude search network-manager = nothing |
| 11:34.30 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: no output at all?? |
| 11:34.34 | Eyes|Infinite | Nope. |
| 11:34.37 | archman | hmm |
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| 11:35.06 | Eyes|Infinite | What command do I use to connect via console? |
| 11:35.19 | Eyes|Infinite | If I do that, I can just fix sources.list |
| 11:35.20 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: aaah, that's completely right. Seems like you haven't setup the cd repo |
| 11:35.56 | Eyes|Infinite | archman, deb cdrom:[blah]/ squeeze main <-- is uncommented |
| 11:35.57 | jetscreamer | apt-cdrom |
| 11:35.59 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK point 3. |
| 11:36.01 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: ifup eth0 |
| 11:36.17 | Eyes|Infinite | archman: i'm using wlan0 |
| 11:36.23 | archman | then wlan0 |
| 11:36.27 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: for fixing your sources.list, apt-cdrom |
| 11:36.48 | Eyes|Infinite | ifup doesn't exist either |
| 11:37.05 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: aah, you'll need to ifup wlan0=somessid . somessid has to be set up |
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| 11:37.18 | Eyes|Infinite | The command ifup = does not exist |
| 11:37.25 | Eyes|Infinite | bash: ifup: command not found |
| 11:37.30 | jetscreamer | it's a wrapper isn't it |
| 11:37.33 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: it does. /sbin/ifup and it won't work unless you edit your interfaces file as I pointed you to |
| 11:37.40 | Eyes|Infinite | oh |
| 11:38.00 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: you are not root and trying to do things only root can do |
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| 11:38.23 | mah454 | my problem not fixed ... ! this is output of ati command : aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
| 11:38.26 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: also, /sbin is not in PATH by default |
| 11:38.40 | abrotman | archman: not in a normal user's path |
| 11:38.43 | wols_ | mah454: what ati chip do you have? |
| 11:38.46 | abrotman | mah454: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 11:38.59 | jaggz1 | anyone know some good data search software, which I can enter in some pseudo-location and the text and it would maintain a database and, upon a keyword search, would return my vector or pseudo-location? |
| 11:39.23 | ayambit | mah454: did you try to do as described in the link I gave you? |
| 11:39.46 | mah454 | wols_ : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M] [1002:6760] |
| 11:39.57 | mah454 | abrotman : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M] [1002:6760] |
| 11:40.00 | abrotman | i saw |
| 11:40.03 | abrotman | thanks! |
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| 11:40.13 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: you would want something like this in your /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124287/raw |
| 11:40.21 | thewanderer1 | hey, any idea why the default configuration for lighttpd on Squeeze includes a defunct php-fastcgi module? O.o |
| 11:40.21 | abrotman | jaggz1: like a flat file? |
| 11:40.31 | wols_ | mah454: the ati driver is probably too old. back when squeeze came out that chip didn't exist yet afaik. |
| 11:41.02 | mah454 | wols_ what ... ! too old ! |
| 11:41.09 | Eyes|Infinite | archman, yeah how do I define the WPA passcode |
| 11:41.11 | abrotman | jaggz1: oh, i think i understand .. uhm .. so you want to store a pile of "coordinates" and then search and have a path back ? |
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| 11:41.24 | wols_ | yes: january 4 2011 |
| 11:41.27 | archman | wols_: oh crap, maybe there's no "resume" HOOK in the setup by default? |
| 11:41.30 | mah454 | wols_ this driver do work in archlinux and ubuntu ... |
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| 11:41.39 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: dunno, find out |
| 11:41.43 | wols_ | mah454: 10.09? |
| 11:41.43 | Eyes|Infinite | eh, afk lunch |
| 11:41.55 | mah454 | wols_ 11.04 |
| 11:41.56 | thewanderer1 | or did I miss something? I find it strange that lighty-enable-mod doesn't enable PHP automatically O.o |
| 11:42.19 | abrotman | thewanderer1: technically, that'd be the secure thing to do :) |
| 11:42.32 | wols_ | mah454: fglrx-glx 1:10-9-3 is what you have installed. |
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| 11:42.52 | wols_ | mah454: and ubuntu 11.04 has god knows what, we don't know or care |
| 11:43.06 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: yeah but if I explicitly issue "lighty-enable-mod php-fastcgi", I expect that the module is in fact enabled... and what it really does is only load the config, not the module |
| 11:43.10 | mah454 | wols_ this packages installed : http://pastebin.com/vp4EKzrh |
| 11:43.24 | mah454 | wols_ check ... |
| 11:43.37 | abrotman | thewanderer1: oh |
| 11:43.54 | abrotman | mah454: that doesn't mean the version you installed supports that device |
| 11:44.02 | wols_ | mah454: you already gave that and I just pasted from that. and I checked: you have 10.09 installed and back in september 2010 there was no radeon 6470 yet |
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| 11:44.08 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: maybe easier if I explain in Apache terms: it loads the equivalent of *.conf, but not *.load |
| 11:44.17 | wols_ | you will need to backport fglrx from wheezy |
| 11:44.34 | wols_ | !tell mah454 about ssb |
| 11:44.57 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i understood .. check the BTS? |
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| 11:45.47 | abrotman | the pla eh? |
| 11:45.48 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: nothing relevant, it seems, although I'm not sure if all bugs in lighttpd are under lighttpd |
| 11:46.06 | abrotman | thewanderer1: perhaps check under the source package in the bts |
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| 11:46.26 | mah454 | wols_ I must dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:46.56 | thewanderer1 | nothing; I'll test on Sid |
| 11:47.00 | wols_ | mah454: no you don't. you must backport the driver. totally different thing |
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| 11:48.02 | mah454 | wols_ How can i use backport repository ? |
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| 11:48.07 | archman | mah454: quite efficient way to make it: http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 11:48.20 | mah454 | tnx :) |
| 11:48.46 | subsu | On my freshly installed debian 6 /dev/fuse has the permissions rw----, owner=root,group=fuse. So even if I add myself to the group fuse I cannot use /dev/fuse. Is this correct, am I missing something here? |
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| 11:49.07 | abrotman | archman: that's more complicated |
| 11:49.11 | archman | can anyone tell what's the equivalent to Arch's /etc/mkinitcpio.conf where you put HOOKS like "resume" to get built |
| 11:49.19 | wols_ | mah454: you cannot. please read the factoid dpkg gave you more carefully. much more carefully. as far as I know there is no already existing fglrx backport |
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| 11:49.21 | archman | abrotman: point me the easier one, i'm interested :) |
| 11:49.32 | abrotman | archman: mah454 already was pointed at one |
| 11:49.37 | archman | aah |
| 11:49.39 | wols_ | archman: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:49.59 | abrotman | archman: that wiki explains how to create the package without being root |
| 11:50.03 | abrotman | wikipage |
| 11:50.10 | abrotman | or something .. |
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| 11:50.18 | archman | wols_: cheers |
| 11:50.25 | mah454 | what do backport ? |
| 11:50.36 | abrotman | perhaps not more difficult .. but more convoluted |
| 11:50.43 | mah454 | or what is backport ... !? |
| 11:50.57 | archman | wols_: oh |
| 11:51.15 | archman | mah454: haha, keep on reading :) |
| 11:51.35 | mah454 | archman :D |
| 11:51.42 | archman | :D |
| 11:52.27 | mah454 | archman I use laptop dell vostro 3350 ... and this model use two graphic card : |
| 11:52.28 | mah454 | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09) |
| 11:52.28 | mah454 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc NI Seymour [AMD Radeon HD 6470M] [1002:6760] |
| 11:52.52 | mah454 | How can i config debian for using Intel VGA ? |
| 11:53.04 | abrotman | he'll need backports.debian.org for the newer xorg |
| 11:53.06 | PerfDave | mah454: In what sense? |
| 11:53.41 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: hmm, could not reproduce. apparently *something* created a symlink to fastcgi but skipped dependencies O.o |
| 11:53.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:54.03 | wols_ | mah454: what are you actually using right now? e.g. what did you set in your BIOS? |
| 11:54.24 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: oh wait, dependencies are only available on Sid. I guess that's my answer then. |
| 11:54.30 | mah454 | wols_ i must check this .... |
| 11:54.40 | mah454 | RESTARTING ... :D |
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| 11:55.04 | abrotman | hands wols_ a facepalm |
| 11:55.12 | archman | :D |
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| 11:55.21 | hramrach | Hello |
| 11:55.42 | hramrach | wtf E: Release file expired, ignoring http://debian.sh.cvut.cz/debian-security/dists/squeeze/updates/Release (invalid since 1d 17h 21min 31s) |
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| 11:56.09 | thewanderer1 | hramrach: problem with your mirror |
| 11:57.07 | mastro | is there someone here using aptitude search? |
| 11:57.49 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay, I did a ifup wlan0 |
| 11:57.58 | Eyes|Infinite | What now? |
| 11:58.13 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: have you edited your interfaces file beforehand? |
| 11:58.18 | Eyes|Infinite | Yes |
| 11:58.31 | hramrach | and why does it show packages not from this mirror as unsigned? |
| 11:58.35 | wols_ | then you should have received an IP via DHCP |
| 11:58.36 | Eyes|Infinite | Added iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 11:58.37 | archman | Eyes|Infinite: are you online with that machine now? |
| 11:58.52 | Eyes|Infinite | Er, no DHCPOFFERS received |
| 11:59.01 | wols_ | hramrach: cause the cert expired, like certs do |
| 11:59.07 | Eyes|Infinite | Apparenlty |
| 11:59.10 | hramrach | it looks like it stops download after hitting this Release file |
| 11:59.17 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: and thw wpa lines, you have added too? and wpasupplicant is installed? |
| 11:59.22 | Eyes|Infinite | er... |
| 11:59.38 | Eyes|Infinite | I added wpa-ssid and wpa-psk |
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| 12:01.15 | mah454 | ok ... |
| 12:01.16 | archman | has anyone ever added some hooks to init ramdisk? |
| 12:01.21 | mah454 | I come back ... |
| 12:01.28 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: and you gave it your SSID and wpa password? and dpkg -l |grep wpa shows wpasupplicant installed? |
| 12:01.29 | Eyes|Infinite | Eer, wpasupplicant wasn't installed. |
| 12:01.42 | mah454 | wols_ Default is Intel |
| 12:01.44 | Eyes|Infinite | Installing from ym disk. |
| 12:02.13 | wols_ | mah454: then install kernel 2.6.38 or so from backports, and upgrade xorg from backports too |
| 12:02.52 | mah454 | wols_ thank you :) |
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| 12:03.20 | Eyes|Infinite | How do I kill the ifup and re-start the ifup wlan0? |
| 12:03.35 | mah454 | wols_ another question : why kernel-3 have problem with laptop battery ? |
| 12:03.46 | babilen | mastro: I would say most of us, so: Yes |
| 12:04.11 | wols_ | mah454: define "problem" |
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| 12:04.29 | Eyes|Infinite | eh, i'll just restart |
| 12:04.34 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: ctrl+c to kill it. ifdown wlan0 and/or ifup wlan0 again |
| 12:04.46 | Eyes|Infinite | eh. |
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| 12:06.30 | Eyes|Infinite | It doesnt seem to be getting any DHCP replies |
| 12:06.33 | ushaft | hi, at #phpbb, i was told to seek help from #debian as debian has modified phpbb a lot. i use phpbb3 with debian lenny. i followed the multiboard documentation and created tables for a new board, wrote a config file that specifies the table prefix too. But I find that the board thus created does not use this table prefix at all. Any help to solve this problem, please ? |
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| 12:07.14 | abrotman | ushaft: first question i'll ask .. why lenny? why not squeeze? |
| 12:07.20 | mastro | babilen, how did you learn how to use aptitude search ? I mean.... I find this two open bug to be the most annoying things that prevent me to use aptitude search every times I try to: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518591 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=532083 both there since 2009, without replies |
| 12:07.30 | hramrach | it's bug #618334 - apt breaks if a repository expires |
| 12:07.41 | Eyes|Infinite | wols_: Nope, no DHCPOFFERS received |
| 12:08.12 | ushaft | abrotman, is using lenny wrong? i dont upgrade servers as soon as a new OS version comes up- esp because they break so many things. i have other things to do too. |
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| 12:08.22 | babilen | mastro: Take a look at http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html (+ complete chapter) |
| 12:08.26 | PerfDave | ushaft: squeeze has been out for quite a while now |
| 12:08.27 | mastro | babilen, another example is searching for axi-cache... I did aptitude search axi-cache --> no result... apt-cache search axi-cache give me the result...... |
| 12:08.30 | babilen | mastro: Or install aptitude-doc |
| 12:08.37 | ushaft | PerfDave, i will upgrade in a couple of months |
| 12:08.47 | mastro | babilen, how do I read aptitude doc from command line? |
| 12:08.53 | abrotman | ushaft: uh .. Debian isn't like other distros |
| 12:08.54 | ushaft | but i need a forum now, thats the problem :( |
| 12:08.54 | babilen | mastro: Run "aptitude search ~daxi-cache" |
| 12:08.58 | wols_ | ushaft: you have until next february |
| 12:09.11 | PerfDave | lenny loses security support in February 2012 IIRC :) |
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| 12:09.28 | mastro | babilen, how am I supposed to know that I should search the description? almost all the time I want to search "everywhere" |
| 12:09.35 | abrotman | ushaft: and if it were me, and I was going to be using phpbb for awhile (with this setup), i'd go to squeeze now instead of migrating the setup later |
| 12:09.37 | ushaft | PerfDave, enough time till Feb :) wols_ |
| 12:09.55 | ushaft | abrotman, alright, but i am not being able to use phpbb3, thats the problem |
| 12:09.57 | mastro | babilen, and how do I open the aptitude doc from command line without writing the whole path into the system? |
| 12:10.05 | abrotman | you're not? |
| 12:10.06 | ushaft | abrotman, i created a multiboard setup, but it doesnt work |
| 12:10.10 | mah454 | I have intel core i5 but installed kernel amd64 ! why ? |
| 12:10.22 | ushaft | abrotman, just one board, the second board is not working. what should i do ? |
| 12:10.23 | PerfDave | mah454: Why not? |
| 12:10.23 | abrotman | mah454: because the architecture is named amd64 |
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| 12:10.39 | PerfDave | mah454: Intel Core i5 has an amd64-architecture processor |
| 12:10.46 | abrotman | ushaft: checked logs for errors? are you sure that version supports multiple boards? |
| 12:10.52 | mah454 | Ok ... |
| 12:10.55 | ushaft | abrotman, yes |
| 12:11.05 | ushaft | abrotman, ok, i tell you my problem in detail |
| 12:11.14 | babilen | mastro: Install aptitude-doc and run (for example) w3m /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 12:11.20 | ushaft | abrotman, the two boards are setup to use different table prefixes and thats alright |
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| 12:11.28 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay, what CD is network-manager-gnome on? |
| 12:11.51 | ushaft | abrotman, but somehow, both the boards use same "board name and description" field- i dont know from where. because i changed both the fields in their respective tables, but doesnt seem to work |
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| 12:12.23 | abrotman | ushaft: do the boards have to be generated after configuration? perhaps you have to restart apache? |
| 12:12.48 | ushaft | abrotman, why restart apache, i think they read such info from the db. and i have restarted apache anyway- the same issue |
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| 12:13.39 | abrotman | ushaft: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607380 .. that might be a good reason to upgrade to squeeze before doing this ... |
| 12:13.42 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay, screw this. |
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| 12:13.52 | abrotman | stuff like that |
| 12:13.54 | Eyes|Infinite | I'll nick it off my USB stick. |
| 12:14.12 | abrotman | ushaft: is the whole config supposed to be dynamic during run time? |
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| 12:15.52 | abrotman | ushaft: can you try to make a third board, and see if the same thing happens? |
| 12:15.56 | abrotman | or have you already done that? |
| 12:16.16 | ushaft | abrotman, no, good suggestion- i will try it now :) |
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| 12:17.25 | babilen | mastro: You might also be interested in doc-central or dwww -- If you have doc-central installed you can browse documentation on http://localhost/dc/ |
| 12:17.35 | Eyes|Infinite | :- |
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| 12:17.59 | hramrach | hmm, so now I see that both the mirror and apt are broken |
| 12:18.03 | hramrach | thanks for help |
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| 12:18.10 | babilen | mastro: See /usr/share/doc/doc-base/doc-base.html/index.html for (a bit more) information on other clients/interfaces |
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| 12:18.45 | Eyes|Infinite | grr. |
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| 12:19.35 | Eyes|Infinite | ugh, where would I find the libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 package |
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| 12:20.14 | inscara | hi, I have problems to boot a Debian guest in VirutalBox... it boots ok with vbox 3.2.4 but doesn't want to boot with vbox 4.0.12... I got "file not found" error when looking for /dev/hda partitions. Any idea? |
| 12:21.15 | abrotman | inscara: is it now /dev/sda ? |
| 12:21.24 | Eyes|Infinite | ugggh. |
| 12:21.37 | Eyes|Infinite | packages.debian.org is slow today |
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| 12:22.50 | inscara | the .vdi image is in a usb external drive... |
| 12:22.55 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: why are you trying to install that package? |
| 12:23.06 | wols_ | inscara: that doesn't matter |
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| 12:23.42 | Eyes|Infinite | wols_, dependcy for network-manager-gnome |
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| 12:23.48 | inscara | so, you suggest I should mount those partitions as /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda? |
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| 12:24.21 | inscara | I don't understand what should I do then... |
| 12:24.23 | wols_ | Eyes|Infinite: it should be all on your CD1. no point otherwise |
| 12:24.25 | tero | how do i figure out what server is connected to which port without physically going and checking the wires |
| 12:24.33 | Eyes|Infinite | wols_: Nope. |
| 12:24.49 | tero | (on my switch) |
| 12:25.04 | nevyn | tero: what sort of switch? |
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| 12:25.52 | tero | nevyn: lol i am not sure, i can connect to it but it does not tell me |
| 12:26.04 | abrotman | ushaft: any difference? |
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| 12:26.21 | abrotman | tero: how is this a #debian question ? |
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| 12:26.33 | nevyn | so if it's cisco. you can use cdpr to determine what interface it's connected to. |
| 12:26.38 | nevyn | which is in debian. |
| 12:26.52 | ushaft | abrotman, not done yet, trying other things. i'll get back soom :( |
| 12:26.53 | magnusol | hi. i get my dns servers from my ISP using DHCP. however, they sometimes go down even though my connection is OK. Is there anyway i can add more "custom" fallback DNSes to my debian squeeze system? i noticed /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten, so it seems more difficult than just appending to that file.. |
| 12:27.11 | abrotman | nevyn: i think he means which port on the switch |
| 12:27.13 | rozie | tero: check MAC addreses on ports |
| 12:27.16 | tero | abrotman: you are right, its not a pure debian question, the machien i am trying to connect to the internet is running debian |
| 12:27.22 | nevyn | abrotman: yeah that's what cdpr does. |
| 12:27.45 | abrotman | doesn't even want to know |
| 12:27.46 | rozie | tero: then check MACs on interfaces. match. voila. |
| 12:27.51 | nevyn | abrotman: it parses cisco discovery protocol packets that the switches transmit to do neighbour discovery |
| 12:28.05 | tero | rozie: hmm i will try this :) thank you |
| 12:28.06 | abrotman | nevyn: sounds like the NSA is on your netz |
| 12:28.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:28.15 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay, now I need libgtk2.0-0 2.24.0 |
| 12:28.16 | tero | nevyn: its foundery not cisco |
| 12:28.18 | nevyn | abrotman: no it's really really usefu |
| 12:28.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:28.46 | nevyn | abrotman: because despite handing facilities a well thought out wiring diagram they invariably mess it up |
| 12:28.57 | abrotman | Eyes|Infinite: this would be infinitely easier if you would plug it in to the switch |
| 12:29.03 | lyte | that might be something to do with where you work ... |
| 12:29.12 | Eyes|Infinite | abrotman, The server is my bedroom |
| 12:29.12 | abrotman | nevyn: no! .. they would never! |
| 12:29.19 | Eyes|Infinite | The router is downstairs |
| 12:29.20 | nevyn | abrotman: really! |
| 12:29.22 | abrotman | Eyes|Infinite: pick it up (the server, not the bedroom) |
| 12:29.35 | Eyes|Infinite | It's heavy. |
| 12:30.02 | abrotman | heavy? wtf kind of server is it? |
| 12:30.20 | Eyes|Infinite | tis a desktop mahcine with debian on it |
| 12:30.26 | abrotman | a desktop is heavy? |
| 12:30.31 | babilen | magnusol: How do you configure your connection? |
| 12:30.40 | Eyes|Infinite | abrotman, not really |
| 12:30.41 | abrotman | "Mom, I don't want to carry the tablet, it's too heavy!" .. kids these days .. yeesh |
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| 12:30.48 | Eyes|Infinite | I just don't want to move it downstairs |
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| 12:31.15 | magnusol | babilen, well, the standard debian way i suppose. in the installer, i selected dhcp connection, so i guess dhclient deals with my setup |
| 12:31.24 | Eyes|Infinite | Besides, apparently these 12-year-olds are cyber bullying me |
| 12:31.39 | Eyes|Infinite | I don't care but one person insists I must go to freenode about it |
| 12:31.44 | Eyes|Infinite | anyways |
| 12:31.50 | babilen | magnusol: Ok, is it an ethernet connection? Are you using Gnome and network-manager or is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:31.54 | Eyes|Infinite | now has to find the build-essentials package |
| 12:32.02 | tero | rozie: :) its not in the mac list on the switch |
| 12:32.11 | mastro | babilen, doc-central is interesting |
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| 12:32.20 | tero | but your idea is brilliant, i guess ill check the rest of the switches, i might be on the wrong one then |
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| 12:32.48 | babilen | mastro: Unfortunately aptitude-doc is not (yet!) registered with doc-central, but I found it nice to have and be aware of. |
| 12:32.51 | mastro | babilen, but I still think that those 2 bugs should be closed, do you have any information on why they arent? |
| 12:32.57 | magnusol | babilen, its ethernet, and yes, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:33.18 | rozie | tero: you won't have MAC if there's no traffic to/from this interface. ping IP on this iface to make sure switch has MAC |
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| 12:33.49 | rozie | tero: and idea is the simplest possible. you are not netadmin, ain't you? ;) |
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| 12:34.03 | babilen | magnusol: Ok, in that case you can add "dns-nameservers 123.456.789.123 987.543.122.456" in there -- See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers for details |
| 12:34.14 | magnusol | great, thanks |
| 12:34.46 | babilen | magnusol: You need to have resolvconf installed for that, but just read the wiki page, that should make it clearer. Good luck! |
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| 12:34.55 | babilen | mastro: Lets take a better look. :) |
| 12:36.35 | Ragnar | when I start openvpn, tun0 doesnt appear in ifconfig |
| 12:36.36 | Ragnar | any idea why? |
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| 12:37.41 | babilen | mastro: Yes, I agree for the second bug (even if it is just a reference to the aptitude-doc-?? package) but the first? I just use the tool that is appropriate. If I need the power of aptitude I use that and use apt-cache search for the rest (or axi-cache, debtags, ...) -- As always: Patches are probably welcome and if you want to see it fixed soon: Fix it! |
| 12:37.45 | retybok | is there an easy way to get a recent backported version of vim for squeeze? |
| 12:38.09 | abrotman | !tell retybok about ssb |
| 12:38.14 | abrotman | judd: versions vim-full |
| 12:38.16 | judd | Package vim-full on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 |
| 12:38.20 | abrotman | uh |
| 12:38.22 | abrotman | judd: versions vim |
| 12:38.25 | judd | Package vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.280-1; wheezy: 2:7.3.280-1 |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | doesn't look like it's changed much |
| 12:39.03 | babilen | There are changes between 7.2 and 7.3 that make it desirable to use 7.3 (undo-trees for example) |
| 12:39.10 | inscara | hei... coming back to the vbox issue, the boot loader is Grub... should I change something there? |
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| 12:39.57 | mastro | babilen, I'd love too but I both don't know the language used and the software itself enough |
| 12:40.35 | babilen | mastro: Which language are you referring to? English or C++ ? |
| 12:40.38 | mastro | babilen, anyway... a simple option like "--apt" to change the default behavior would be good |
| 12:41.13 | mastro | babilen, C++ (don't know it very well)... I don't know English very well too :) but that's just an issue in speaking my mind out.. can read it properly :) |
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| 12:42.15 | abrotman | inscara: no need to msg me .. you can highlight me here also |
| 12:42.28 | inscara | ok.. sorry.. |
| 12:42.30 | babilen | mastro: So, what you basically want is a way to change the default search behaviour of aptitude to not only search package names but descriptions as well? |
| 12:42.37 | abrotman | inscara: i asked if the system now thinks the drive is /dev/sda etc |
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| 12:43.03 | inscara | abrotman: it can be... I have no idea indeed. |
| 12:43.29 | inscara | abrotman: but, in that case... what should I do?? |
| 12:43.35 | retybok | babilen: undo-trees are exactly what I want :) |
| 12:43.44 | babilen | retybok: Understandable :) |
| 12:43.48 | abrotman | inscara: in your grub, you'd change it from /dev/hda1 etc to /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:44.08 | retybok | babilen: so how do I get the sid version without updating all the distro? |
| 12:44.14 | babilen | retybok: Make sure to take a look at Gundo (but this is getting off-topic) -- An ssb of vim shouldn't be that hard. |
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| 12:44.20 | retybok | *the sid version of vim |
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| 12:44.38 | inscara | abrotman: but I'm looking at the grub menu.lst file and I don't have references to /dev/hda1 |
| 12:44.49 | babilen | retybok: dpkg should have sent you a private message that explains how to backport it yourself. (make sure you get the right vim package (such as vim-gnome or so)) |
| 12:44.49 | bais | debian is best distribution ever! :) |
| 12:45.01 | abrotman | inscara: are they UUIDs ? |
| 12:45.03 | inscara | abrotman: yes!! |
| 12:45.11 | brah | My wheezy takes too long to boot. What can I do? (Q6600 - 4GB DDR2) |
| 12:45.15 | retybok | babilen: ah, thanks, hadn't seen it. |
| 12:45.15 | brah | I don't really have anything strange installed |
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| 12:45.25 | abrotman | inscara: then it shouldn't be an issue .. can you take a screen shot of how far it gets? |
| 12:45.32 | abrotman | brah: how long is too long? |
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| 12:46.01 | brah | abrotman: After GDM starts, it's still loading for like a minute on the console. Trying to log in through GDM will take like 20 seconds to land me on the Desktop. |
| 12:46.43 | brah | ZoneMinder was a major offender. I uninstalled it, doesn't even work. |
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| 12:46.55 | brah | Now PGSQL 8.1 and 9.0 take a fair share of the bootup time. |
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| 12:47.27 | abrotman | brah: so it takes 20 seconds after you login ? |
| 12:47.31 | inscara | abrotman: I'm not in front of the computer with the problem... |
| 12:47.41 | mastro | babilen, not only that... I also want the default to be an AND operation.... aptitude search foo bar # should search packages that contains both foo and bar... like apt-cache search foo bar |
| 12:47.58 | mastro | babilen, currently it's an OR, either of them and you have an hit |
| 12:48.01 | brah | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 12:48.17 | abrotman | brah: sounds about normal .. |
| 12:48.20 | mastro | babilen, which most of the time is the opposite of what you need |
| 12:48.41 | brah | Not through console, though. Using GDM. I don't get a login prompt on any tty until it's done loading. |
| 12:49.28 | babilen | mastro: It *might* make sense to give the user a way to configure the default behaviour, but I would just use a different tool for that (or write a small wrapper/alias/whatev) |
| 12:49.45 | ushaft | abrotman, yes, the third forum also behaves same |
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| 12:50.49 | babilen | mastro: Write to the bug report in question and give examples of what you want and explain why you think this is a good change. If it is really important: Fix it yourself, otherwise convince people that it is a good idea. I am not convinced though. |
| 12:52.03 | babilen | mastro: That is: I am not in favour of changing the default behaviour, but rather to give the user the possibility to configure it. Just try to make sure that there is still a way to search *only* the package names - everyhting that does not allow that is not acceptable. |
| 12:52.29 | mastro | babilen, I think that you are seeing the thing from the wrong perspective. A well designed tool UI is the one that require the lower effort to get your job done and it's intuitive when you need something else.. if you combine that with powerfulness you obtain a great tool |
| 12:52.34 | babilen | mastro: That might be as easy as changing the default for "aptitude search" and allowing more specific searches with "aptitude search ~pfoo" |
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| 12:54.26 | mastro | babilen, the default behavior is the key... the default should be the most used thing... by definition... which is "search with an AND" and search only in package name and short title (like already do)... then user should have an easy way to extend that search to *everything*... if you fulfill this 2 simple thing you have satisfied the 95% of the needs... |
| 12:54.39 | mastro | THEN you can provide every cool feature for everyone else |
| 12:54.40 | babilen | mastro: What you mean is actually: I want the tools to behave in the way that I expect them to behave. Searching *only* package names is a clearly defined behaviour. One might argue that the principle of least surprise would dictate that the default behaviour should be to return *all* results that match the query in *any* field. |
| 12:55.07 | healer | hello |
| 12:55.40 | mastro | babilen, how do search engine works by default? do they use AND or OR? |
| 12:56.01 | babilen | mastro: But regardless, I still agree that the default behaviour of using AND would be the expected behaviour. |
| 12:56.17 | healer | my wheezy does hangs after suspend /hibernate |
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| 12:56.21 | mastro | babilen, and that's the *main* objection I'm giving to aptitude search |
| 12:56.35 | healer | anyone with similar problems? |
| 12:56.41 | mastro | babilen, the other one would be having a way to *easily* expand the research to every metadata |
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| 12:56.42 | babilen | mastro: But this is a distinct issue from the "Search only package names" or "search package names and descriptions" (which I assumed first you were referring to) |
| 12:56.50 | healer | please help |
| 12:56.51 | mastro | like... aptitude search -e foo bar |
| 12:57.18 | abrotman | ushaft: i'd double check your setup, and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/phpbb3/ .. you might find some hints |
| 12:57.40 | mastro | babilen, yep, that issue just show it's really hard to create a search expression for searching on every metadata |
| 12:57.44 | ushaft | abrotman, ok :) |
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| 12:58.10 | babilen | mastro: You have to realise that what you want is actually a distinct wishlist bug (it is different from #518591) and I agree with *you* but not with #518591 |
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| 12:58.29 | healer | intel dual core 2.3Gh, 4Gb ram, kernel 3.0.0-1-amd64 |
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| 12:58.59 | babilen | mastro: I find aptitude's search term patterns to be quite easy ... If you want your mind blown: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579603 |
| 12:59.10 | mastro | babilen, yes I know that's different.. but it's somewhat related, or, if you wish, a "parent issue" which is: "aptitude search has a bad UI" |
| 12:59.26 | dashs | Does Debian have compose-key for accents by default (XCompose)? |
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| 12:59.45 | babilen | mastro: Design a better one that is equally powerful and propose it. |
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| 13:00.05 | mastro | babilen, anyway thanks for the discussion... I'm definally gonna open a couple of bug.... even if seeing open bug from 2009 still there give me the feel that it will be a waste of time |
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| 13:00.39 | babilen | mastro: We still have a bunch of *much* older open bugs and they are still resolved. |
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| 13:01.16 | babilen | mastro: I mean: Even very old bugs (think 1996/2001/...) are resolved in new versions. |
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| 13:01.45 | inscara | abrotman: should I modify /etc/fstab file for mounting points to be able to boot with the new version? |
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| 13:02.32 | rvsjoen | ok here is a strange one, I have 3 displays but I can only get two of them to work at any given time, two are DVI and one is VGA, xrandr currently detects VGA0 and DVI1 but if I swap the cables to use the two DVI screens, or swap the adapters, all the adapter/screen combos work, how can xrandr -q only show information about two displays |
| 13:02.43 | rvsjoen | is there any magic that needs to happen to have more than two monitors |
| 13:03.01 | abrotman | rvsjoen: does xrandr show all three ports? |
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| 13:03.14 | rvsjoen | no |
| 13:03.16 | rvsjoen | thats the odd part |
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| 13:05.16 | NiLon | are you sure that your card actually supports 3 displays? |
| 13:05.17 | mastro | babilen, thanks for your time... i'll call you back when I create the bug :) this evening probably |
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| 13:05.34 | rvsjoen | there are two integrated ports, and two additional 1-port pci-e DVI cards |
| 13:05.45 | rvsjoen | so, vga, display port, 2xdvi |
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| 13:06.13 | rvsjoen | another thing that is odd is that I do not see the pci-e cards in lspci, or is that normal ? |
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| 13:06.48 | abrotman | inscara: possibly .. i was waiting on your screenshot |
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| 13:07.59 | inscara | abrotman: I'm now at work where I'm using vbox 3.2.4 without problems... I have the problem at home, so I cannot screenshot now. |
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| 13:08.24 | abrotman | inscara: oh .. that's no good .. get "sick", go home and play :) |
| 13:08.36 | inscara | abrotman: lol |
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| 13:11.33 | inscara | abrotman: the boot process ends up giving the option to press CTRL+D to continue or go to a console in order to repair the partitions (it suggests something like using e2fsck -b 8193 for fixing, which is obviously not working) |
| 13:11.57 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay, any other way than ifup to connect to the interwebs? |
| 13:12.18 | inscara | abrotman: of course if I press CTRL+D the system finally crash because the main partitions are not mounted... |
| 13:12.29 | lapsusbrutus | I want to rsync over ssh to a server from my desktop.. get a strange error and not all dirs are copied. This is what I write: rsync -av ssh /home/user/destination/* user@server:/path/ and this is the error: |
| 13:12.33 | lapsusbrutus | building file list ... rsync: link_stat "/home/user/destination/ssh" failed: No such file or directory (2) dont know why its looking for an dir called ssh |
| 13:12.42 | Eyes|Infinite | Ah screw this, i'll use wicd |
| 13:12.49 | abrotman | inscara: is there anything else odd about the setup? dmcrypt? lvm? swraid? |
| 13:13.19 | inscara | abrotman: mmmhhh.. not. |
| 13:13.32 | SkilZ | In my /etc/hosts I have '127.0.0.1 youtube.com'. But I am still able to access youtube.com? |
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| 13:14.17 | abrotman | inscara: relaly sounds like the stuff got renamed |
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| 13:14.33 | abrotman | inscara: when you get home, come back and ask .. we'll need more details |
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| 13:15.38 | inscara | abrotman: I will be at home in one hour or so. I will come back, and if you are still here we can continue. Thanks a lot! |
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| 13:16.12 | ushaft | abrotman, may i ask what are the uses of files in this path: /usr/share/phpbb3/www/cache/sql_* ? (if you know) |
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| 13:18.03 | abrotman | ushaft: i'd suspect those are cache files generated by the application .. but since i can't see the contents .. not sure |
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| 13:24.24 | Eyes|Infinite | rrrraaagh |
| 13:24.38 | Eyes|Infinite | Stupid wicd |
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| 13:33.03 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay, I have network-manager-gnome |
| 13:33.07 | Eyes|Infinite | How do I launch it? |
| 13:33.56 | abrotman | nm-applet |
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| 13:34.23 | Eyes|Infinite | bash: nm-applet: command not found |
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| 13:35.06 | abrotman | judd: file nm-applet |
| 13:35.09 | judd | nm-applet in squeeze/i386: network-manager-gnome: usr/bin/nm-applet |
| 13:35.29 | Eyes|Infinite | Not there |
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| 13:37.16 | ksx4system | anybody tried to compile latest MaraDNS on Debian 6.0/squeeze? |
| 13:37.25 | Miika-- | Hello, I have an USB WLAN and I cannot get it to work... |
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| 13:43.10 | retybok | babilen: I know have the latest vim on my squeeze machine. Thanks a lot! |
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| 13:52.22 | SkilZ | Hey ive install tightvncserver on my server and allowed 5800 and 5900 to LAN in firestarter, when I load tightvncviewer and put in the ip, nothing, just wondering whats going on? |
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| 13:54.56 | acidchild | SkilZ: did you include the X11 port? |
| 13:55.03 | acidchild | vncviewer 1.1.1.1:1 |
| 13:55.08 | SkilZ | whats that port? |
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| 13:55.20 | acidchild | the screen number to connect to. |
| 13:55.25 | acidchild | it should be :1 |
| 13:55.26 | SkilZ | in the firewall? |
| 13:55.36 | acidchild | considering it's youre first time. |
| 13:55.38 | acidchild | no. |
| 13:55.44 | acidchild | try it :P |
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| 13:59.07 | acidchild | SkilZ: did it work? :) |
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| 14:01.03 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay screw this. |
| 14:01.14 | Eyes|Infinite | I'll just attach my server to the router. |
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| 14:02.58 | eugo | Is there a guide on creating a new service on startup ? I know I create a init.d/ script and run update-rc.d but how do I work with PID's for terminating the proccess and etc ? |
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| 14:04.42 | Miesco_ | I am looking for a ps/pdf viewer |
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| 14:04.47 | Miesco_ | xpdf is pissing me off |
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| 14:05.32 | an0 | Is there a way to have two programs listen on the same port, to where the second only responds if the first is unavailable? |
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| 14:06.00 | acidchild | sounds possible, what are the two programs? |
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| 14:06.28 | acidchild | you could use iptables and 'load balance' and run the two daemons on different ports on 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:06.41 | eugenmayer | how would i check how much my clock is diverged from my NTP server ( kerberos issues ) |
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| 14:06.55 | an0 | I don't know much about them, a friend wrote them in java. But they both listen on the same port, and the second should respond to requests when the first is not available. |
| 14:07.08 | acidchild | What protocol? |
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| 14:07.16 | acidchild | http://haproxy.1wt.eu/ |
| 14:07.17 | an0 | tcp |
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| 14:07.39 | acidchild | can you change the port they run on? |
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| 14:08.02 | an0 | Yes, but the clients will be connecting via one port number. |
| 14:08.17 | acidchild | run haproxy on the port the client connects to |
| 14:08.29 | acidchild | and run the two daemons on different ports and do a passive/active type situation |
| 14:08.32 | kmq | eugenmayer: something like 'clockdiff' ? |
| 14:08.39 | an0 | Okay, I'll look into that, thanks! |
| 14:08.53 | acidchild | :) |
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| 14:10.55 | markitoxs | hey guys, im looking for an app or something that helps me to create quick terminal layouts as... when i click this launcher, open 4 terminals, executing these commands on each of them.... any alternatives to just scripting this? |
| 14:10.56 | eugenmayer | kmq: where is that tool included? |
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| 14:12.58 | themill | Miesco: there are lot of them in debian: "apt-cache showpkg pdf-viewer" will show you quite a few. |
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| 14:13.42 | SkilZ | When my server reboots the IP for eth0 gets deleted, how can I make it stay at 192.168.0.1? |
| 14:13.45 | lps | i just inserted the debian net installation iso and am doing the install, but i got a error that my network is not working, so i pressed alt + F3 and have a command consol open, i thought i would do some snooping around to see whats wrong, but there is no ping tool and no ifconfig :/ |
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| 14:14.24 | SkilZ | and I would like ppp0 to connect on system boot also 'pon' |
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| 14:18.46 | abrotman | !tell SkilZ about interfaces |
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| 14:19.32 | wols_ | lps: how do you connect to your network normally? |
| 14:19.54 | wols_ | lps: if wired, what network chip? |
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| 14:20.15 | Miesco_ | Where is LS_COLORS set? |
| 14:20.26 | Miesco_ | I checked .bashrc, /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 14:20.47 | lps | wols_: it is a dell machine BMC i think, i have the drivers working, i had to download a debian image with nonfree packages which included dell firmware |
| 14:20.56 | karlpinc | lps Can you do a lspci -nn and see what the pciid of the nic is? |
| 14:20.59 | lps | i have never connected to this network before |
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| 14:21.29 | lps | karlpinc: bmc5708S |
| 14:21.30 | zykotick9 | lps, are you using a wired or wireless connection? |
| 14:21.36 | lps | wired |
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| 14:22.53 | aa123 | hello, I am using python2.6 on debian 6.0 now. But when I use print to output some message on the terminal, it always show the message like this: \x9f\xe6\xe4, and so on. I searched on google. It says it was the utf-8 code of my message. But how can I make print show my original message instead of the hex code? Thanks. |
| 14:23.00 | karlpinc | lps: There is an ip command you can use. "ip link" should show link state. |
| 14:24.08 | abrotman | aa123: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. set the default to a UTF8 version of whatever language you use |
| 14:24.10 | Miesco_ | Ha its in my own .bashrc eval ${dircolors -b} |
| 14:24.23 | lps | karlpinc: :D yay ip! i forgot about that tool |
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| 14:27.26 | SkilZ | abrotman, Is static route what im looking for?> |
| 14:27.27 | karlpinc | lps I don't see a bmc5708S in any database. You couldn't get the actual pciid for me using lscpi? |
| 14:27.44 | abrotman | SkilZ: man 5 interfaces .. you can read just as well as I can |
| 14:27.45 | DivineEntity | any idea why a system would kernel panic when running "halt" but not when doing "shutdown -h now" ? |
| 14:28.28 | lps | karlpinc: i am not sure what a pcid is :/ |
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| 14:28.38 | lps | pci-id |
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| 14:28.58 | lps | actually i just dont know how to find it, i did lspci, is it the first column? |
| 14:29.12 | karlpinc | lps: It's in the output of lspci -nn, and looks like [xxxx:yyyy] where x and y are digits. |
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| 14:29.50 | lps | karlpinc: :) i just learned something new, 1166:0103 |
| 14:29.56 | lps | karlpinc: which database do you check this against? |
| 14:30.08 | karlpinc | ,pciid [1166:01030] |
| 14:30.09 | judd | [1166:0103] is 'EPB PCI-Express to PCI-X Bridge' from 'Broadcom' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1166:0103 |
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| 14:31.13 | karlpinc | lps: The judd bot has a script that greps through kernel modules. As you see, there's no driver. Dunno what you can get from dell/broadcomm, but it may or may not work with debian's kernels. |
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| 14:31.39 | lps | karlpinc: i got it from nonfree its has even been bundled for debian. |
| 14:32.15 | karlpinc | lps: (The pciid is like the usbid. Or mac addresses for that matter. They are registered with the governing body as sort of a vendor/product id.) |
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| 14:32.42 | lps | karlpinc: :) nice |
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| 14:33.09 | SkilZ | abrotman, wtf are you crazy? Im not reading all of that, what part inparticular am I looking for I just want a static IP of 192.168.0.1 for eth0 to be brought up at boot, ppp0 is the internet interface |
| 14:33.09 | lps | i guess i should go get a sysadmin to help me with this. i think its too complicated for me |
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| 14:33.13 | karlpinc | lps: What's the package. (I don't know that it will help me but...) |
| 14:33.47 | karlpinc | lps: Does the nic show in 'ip' output? If so then it may be the network dhcp servers need to know about your machine. |
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| 14:34.17 | abrotman | SkilZ: i'm not going to keep feeding you answers. you have to learn to do your own research |
| 14:34.26 | lps | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-6.0.2.1-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 14:34.29 | lps | thats the image i used |
| 14:34.31 | abrotman | !fish |
| 14:34.31 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 14:34.33 | karlpinc | SkilZ: You should learn how to search through man pages. Try reading "man less" to find out how so you don't need to read everything from here on out. |
| 14:34.35 | lps | it has the dell firmware i needed |
| 14:35.09 | lps | there is also . deb file for it, but since i need it to configure my network i figured it was better to have it on the cd |
| 14:35.30 | karlpinc | lps: Right. I was wondering what the deb was. (And does the nic show to ip?) |
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| 14:36.51 | lps | karlpinc: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-bnx2 |
| 14:36.54 | lps | :) |
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| 14:37.02 | zykotick9 | abrotman, <OT> I much prefer the "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll sit in a boat drinking beers all day" ;) </OT> |
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| 14:38.01 | abrotman | zykotick9: kind of lose the lesson with that? ;) |
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| 14:38.48 | karlpinc | abrotman: Depends on the lesson. Here we are sitting all day.... |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | karlpinc: yeah yeah |
| 14:40.04 | lps | karlpinc: ip addr show? that does give me the ip i entered during the installation process |
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| 14:41.11 | an0 | acidchild: Wow, I'm not even sure where to begin with haproxy |
| 14:41.23 | karlpinc | lps: So, it's got an ip. I forget what's on the install cd. Can you telnet to it and get a connection perhaps. (I'm trying to think of a ping substitute.) |
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| 14:42.05 | lps | karlpinc: i can not do anythign on that machine, i can not ping a ip, or a hostname, i cant connect to it from outside either, i know there is a router inbetween so maybe the issue is there? |
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| 14:42.21 | karlpinc | lps: There's always debian-live to test things out with. Yes, it could be a network issue. |
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| 14:43.37 | lps | karlpinc: maybe the switch is using a VLAN, i am just using a ip that i saw was unused, i guess that might be the issue, the ip has to be in the correct vlan right? |
| 14:44.00 | lps | i will try to get some permissions to snoop on the switch :) |
| 14:44.02 | karlpinc | lps: Yes. Or the mac has to be allowed but the switch. Or.... |
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| 14:44.27 | lps | karlpinc: ah i see. it could be alot of issues |
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| 14:44.45 | karlpinc | lps: You need to talk to the admin and find out what needs to happen to be a new box on the network. |
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| 14:46.03 | lps | karlpinc: ok :) if he is not around i will snoop a little myself, this is interesting, i wont make any changes |
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| 14:48.00 | helo | , versions g++-4.2-arm-linux-gnueabi |
| 14:48.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'g++-4.2-arm-linux-gnueabi' was found in i386. |
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| 14:48.50 | helo | squeeze pdebuild-cross-create fails trying to install g++-4.2-arm-linux-gnueabi and gcc-4.2-base |
| 14:49.08 | helo | , versions pdebuild-cross |
| 14:49.09 | judd | Package pdebuild-cross on i386 -- squeeze: 2.2.5.1; sid: 2.2.17; wheezy: 2.2.17 |
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| 14:49.59 | lps | karlpinc: do you know if the default debian cd has something like tcpdump ? |
| 14:50.01 | themill | helo: I suspect you'll get more help in #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:50.13 | helo | k, thanks |
| 14:50.35 | karlpinc | lps: You'll have to run debian-live. You can install any packages you like after you boot. |
| 14:50.45 | lps | the admin is not around but he said it is probably a subnet issue, he will not be around for another week so i will try to do this myself |
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| 14:51.00 | lps | karlpinc: ok i will download it, thanks for all the help so far |
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| 14:51.54 | webad_13 | When using directvnc (framebuffer vnc) I get - Couldn't parse the keyboard mapping file (null). Exiting |
| 14:51.59 | webad_13 | any ideas? |
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| 14:55.54 | kmq | does anyone have a pointer for me ? |
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| 15:00.23 | helo | kmq: cryptsetup-luks |
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| 15:00.52 | helo | not sure how that works with lvm in the way you describe, but that's how i have configured encryption in the past |
| 15:01.43 | kmq | helo: to clarify, I know how to configure this manually, but I would like to preseed a debian installation |
| 15:02.03 | helo | oh i see |
| 15:02.11 | helo | i've never used preseeding |
| 15:02.18 | frostschutz | me neither. I always do this manually :) |
| 15:02.23 | kmq | from the docs I can see how to do lvm, and how to do raid, but not the crypto part |
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| 15:04.38 | kmq | it's nice when you reinstall a lot |
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| 15:09.25 | frostschutz | It might not be supported. The way I understand the manual it can do either lvm or crypto but not combine the two. |
| 15:10.22 | nevyn | current d-i images can do crypted lvm |
| 15:10.44 | nevyn | but maybe not the stable images. |
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| 15:14.17 | kmq | nevyn: I am looking for docs on the crypto thing. It's mentioned the preseeding appendix of the installation manual |
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| 15:14.59 | kmq | but I can't seem to find the actual way of how to write the partman recipe |
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| 15:18.36 | nevyn | hrm I've only done it interactively |
| 15:18.52 | nevyn | you might need to install another udeb to support it. |
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| 15:20.28 | kmq | my current route is to go via the early_command |
| 15:20.45 | kmq | are you thinking of a specific udeb, or one that I'd have to write myself ? |
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| 15:24.59 | sumanah | I'm about to download a hybrid live install image to put onto a USB stick to install Debian. I am looking at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.1-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ I know I'll want to use GNOME. Do I want [ ] debian-live-6.0.1-i386-gnome-desktop.iso or [ ] debian-live-6.0.1-i386-standard.iso ? |
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| 15:25.31 | sumanah | ah, I see from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/index.en.html -- "standard" is text-only. I think I want the GNOME one. |
| 15:25.32 | Kromgol | Is it possible to pvmove root with LVM? |
| 15:25.48 | Kromgol | If root data is located on one of the HDD's that i want to remove |
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| 15:28.58 | frostschutz | Kromgol: it's possible. however pvmove is slow, unreliable and outright dangerous. avoid using it if you can |
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| 15:29.42 | pushpop | is there anything out there that will clone a disk (backup) remotely? |
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| 15:29.58 | sumanah | in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en I see: "There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as syslinux and its configuration file ." Where should I look for that all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz ? |
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| 15:32.01 | sumanah | is it ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz ? |
| 15:32.27 | pushpop | ill check it out |
| 15:32.28 | pushpop | thx |
| 15:32.42 | Kromgol | frostschutz: Well, planning on replacing a 120GB HDD with a 2TB one, so i would like to move the data from it as it would otherwise corrupt my whole logical volume i'm guessing |
| 15:32.45 | kmq | sumanah: pretty sure |
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| 15:33.00 | kmq | I was just looking through my notes to find that url for you |
| 15:33.11 | Kromgol | frostschutz:Do you have any other alternative? |
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| 15:33.31 | sumanah | kmq: about 24 megs, is that right? |
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| 15:35.09 | kmq | I think so, yes |
| 15:35.12 | SkilZ | When adobe flashplayer settings pops up for mic and cam ect I can't select anything |
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| 15:41.42 | frostschutz | Kromgol: if there's no data on the 2TB drive yet, dd the entire LVM PV over. if it's the only drive in your VG, make a new VG and dd the LVs over. Anything but pvmove if you can help it. |
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| 15:45.52 | twobitsprite | so, I'm trying to get nslcd (part of libnss-ldap) to work. It runs as the nslcd user. I'm using client authentication with TLS keys. The nslcd user is in the ssl-cert group, which has rx permissions in /etc/ssl/private and r permissions on /etc/ssl/private/client.key... but it complains about permission denied in the logs and fails to negotiate TLS |
| 15:46.11 | twobitsprite | when I set /etc/ssl/private and /etc/ssl/private/client.key to readable by everyone it works |
| 15:46.36 | twobitsprite | of course, this isn't an ideal solution... any idea on how I can figure out why the nslcd daemon can't read those files? |
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| 15:47.55 | twobitsprite | I can even 'su' over to the nslcd user and read the files... but for some reason the daemon running as the same user can't |
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| 15:53.48 | Kromgol | frostschutz: ? I got three HDD's atm, one 120GB IDE, 1 250GB and 1 2TB, both of which are S-ATA. I will need to replace the 250GB one due to me not having any more SATA outputs on the motherboard. I will need to pvmove the root and the rest of the data from the 250GB one over to the 120gb/2TB disk. |
| 15:54.52 | Kromgol | But i sense a problem as the /boot is in a non-LVM partition on the 250GB disk |
| 15:54.53 | Kromgol | Hm |
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| 15:59.33 | abrotman | haha |
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| 16:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: rsync |
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| 16:03.21 | Resilience | hi guys, I have installed in my box mplayer and lc, is there any point in installing gxine too oro is it redundant? |
| 16:03.43 | Kromgol | jhutchins_lt: Well, isn't it possible to just pvmove everything and then move the boot partition to another HDD? |
| 16:03.51 | Kromgol | Will it cause any problems? |
| 16:03.58 | Kromgol | Besides having to reinstall GRUb i'm guessing |
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| 16:05.26 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: I consider LVM something unnecessary that can go wrong, so I'm not familiar with it, but working outside of lvm there's no reason not to use rsync. You want the system to not be live at the time, so use a live CD or something for the manipulation. |
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| 16:06.21 | jhutchins_lt | google is not helpful re pmove. |
| 16:06.29 | Kromgol | jhutchins_lt: LVM is kinda complex at times yes, but otherwise it's working fine. |
| 16:06.30 | Kromgol | I know. |
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| 16:06.55 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: Yes, working fine - until it isn't. Sometimes we get two or three LVM failures here per day. |
| 16:06.57 | Kromgol | But it should be fine using pvmove from a live cd, reducing filesystem and everything, moving /boot etc |
| 16:07.20 | jhutchins_lt | Kromgol: ... as long as you have a backup. |
| 16:07.45 | karlpinc | Kromgol: Nothing wrong with pvmove. For /boot you need to do something else, rsync or cp is fine. |
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| 16:08.13 | karlpinc | Kromgol: With lvm you don't need a live cd and can do it on a running box. (And you don't change /boot, so that's fine too.) |
| 16:08.17 | Kromgol | karlpinc: Yep. That's what i thought, just creating another partition on another HDD, mounting it and moving the shit there and changing fstab |
| 16:08.36 | karlpinc | Kromgol: You don't need to change fstab. |
| 16:08.41 | Kromgol | Really? |
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| 16:08.54 | Kromgol | It's outside LVM and i'm guessing the UUID changes |
| 16:09.05 | karlpinc | Kromgol: Well, perhaps with /boot if you're not using labels. |
| 16:09.08 | mah454 | How can i upgrade nautilus to nautilus-elementary ? |
| 16:09.29 | jhutchins_lt | From http://tldp.org: "You should always backup your system before attempting a pvmove operation. " |
| 16:09.38 | Kromgol | Yeah.. I |
| 16:09.39 | karlpinc | Kromgol: I tend to use disklabels instead of uuids. But yes, the uuid of /boot with change. |
| 16:09.40 | Kromgol | 'm aware |
| 16:09.50 | Kromgol | karlpinc: That's what i thought. Never used labels |
| 16:10.10 | jhutchins_lt | You can of course move/copy the uuid. |
| 16:10.35 | _Dave123_ | I've just formatted my debian webserver (normally running 10 simple php sites - some use sql, and mailbox) and am looking to set it up again from scratch.. I'm looking for some advice/plan/tutorial.. does anybody know some good? |
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| 16:11.32 | karlpinc | Kromgol: And, you'll need to re-install grub like you said. |
| 16:11.34 | abrotman | be less vague for starters :) |
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| 16:12.44 | Kromgol | Uhm, when using LVM snapshots to backup, can i backup to a directory or is it better if i make another partition to place backups on? |
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| 16:13.43 | karlpinc | Kromgol: lvm snapshots are not a backup, except in a gross sense. Backups are on a separate physical medium. |
| 16:13.46 | nvictor | wols_: you there? :D |
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| 16:14.21 | twobitsprite | ok, looks like if I explicitely tell nslcd to run with the ssl-cert gid it works... which is odd, because is runs as the nslcd uid which is a member of the ssl-cert group... |
| 16:14.33 | Kromgol | karlpinc: What should i use to backup then? rsync like usual? |
| 16:14.33 | jhutchins_lt | Can anyone explain the advantage of using pvmove over rsync? |
| 16:14.37 | karlpinc | Kromgol: Use rsync/rsnapshot/dirvish with hard-linking for backups. (Or somthing classic like tar etc.) |
| 16:14.56 | no_mind | I have a wacom tablet but the wacom driver is not claiming the device. How do I make the wacom driver claim the device ? |
| 16:15.00 | Kromgol | Yeah. I will go with tar |
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| 16:15.04 | karlpinc | Kromgol: You should always have backups in any case. |
| 16:15.27 | Resilience | I have installed in my box mplayer and vlc, is there any point in installing gxine too or is it redundant? |
| 16:15.27 | Kromgol | karlpinc: I suck at having backups, really :P |
| 16:15.32 | Kromgol | But i will get better at it! |
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| 16:16.19 | karlpinc | Kromgol: A separate box. A big cheap usb hard drive(s). Backup everything, on your lan with it. (For a small-scale operation that is.) |
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| 16:17.04 | karlpinc | Kromgol: But for that you want something rsync based so you can have multiple days and get good compression. (The more days the better "compression" using hard linking.) |
| 16:17.16 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: These are two different things. How to compare them? |
| 16:17.33 | Kromgol | karlpinc: I got an unused 500GB HDD standing so that'll do |
| 16:17.39 | Kromgol | External |
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| 16:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: As a means of moving/copying the contents of a partition do a new device. |
| 16:18.02 | Kromgol | karlpinc: I will look into some rsync script later on. |
| 16:18.03 | Kromgol | Thanks! |
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| 16:19.02 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: rsync is copying/moving for files, while pvmove moves blocks to another PV while every layer on top of LVM continues working. |
| 16:19.08 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: The only advantage is you can do pvmove while the system is up, which is the advantage of lvm in general. |
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| 16:20.17 | mastro | do "debian" advice to use aptitude over apt-get/apt-cache? |
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| 16:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | !why aptitude |
| 16:20.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 16:21.01 | karlpinc | mastro: In general yes, but some have different preferences and the differences are decreasing over time as things get moved into shared libraries. |
| 16:21.01 | jhutchins_lt | !why not aptitude |
| 16:21.01 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 16:21.30 | Kromgol | karlpinc: You don't happen to have any recommendations for a rsync based tool/script for backups? |
| 16:22.16 | karlpinc | Kromgol: rsnapshot seems preferred here but I like to do both push and pull and have my own. Let me paste it for you. |
| 16:22.37 | Kromgol | karlpinc: I rather use a script than a program tbh |
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| 16:24.37 | nvictor | i'm having issues with the mail command |
| 16:24.48 | nvictor | tried possible combinations and it's not working |
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| 16:25.13 | nvictor | mail -s hi user@gmail.com < echo "hi, testing" |
| 16:25.24 | nvictor | for example says no such file or directory |
| 16:25.38 | karlpinc | Kromgol: http://wikisend.com/download/502116/rsync_backup-0.23.tar.gz |
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| 16:25.51 | karlpinc | Kromgol: I don't know whether rsnapshot is a script or not. (Really, what's the difference?) |
| 16:26.06 | Kromgol | Indeed :P |
| 16:26.15 | abrotman | he did say tool! |
| 16:26.45 | Kromgol | karlpinc: Thanks though! |
| 16:26.47 | jhutchins_lt | nvictor: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15405/how-do-i-send-html-email-using-linux-mail-command |
| 16:27.23 | karlpinc | nvictor: Try installing bsd-mailx? |
| 16:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | nvictor: http://scofaq.aplawrence.com/FAQ_scotec6mailxmutt.html |
| 16:28.01 | jhutchins_lt | nvictor: http://www.december.com/unix/tutor/pipesfilters.html |
| 16:28.38 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: (< *doh*) |
| 16:28.49 | nvictor | jhutchins_lt: seems it has been working |
| 16:28.59 | nvictor | jhutchins_lt: the email server is not setup correctly |
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| 16:31.10 | karlpinc | Kromgol: (What's always painful(ish) is setting up the ssh keys so access can be automated. Oh well.) |
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| 16:32.44 | karlpinc | nvictor: You can't redirect stdin from a command with the syntax you're using. The easy way is to use a pipe. |
| 16:32.55 | Kromgol | karlpinc: Yeah.. Had troubles iwth that myself as well :P |
| 16:33.16 | karlpinc | Kromgol: It's just tedious(ish). |
| 16:33.30 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: ssh-copy-id |
| 16:34.20 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: It's not the machine identification, it's securing the remote command execution. |
| 16:34.35 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: authorized_keys stuff. |
| 16:35.27 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Have a look at what ssh-copy-id does. |
| 16:36.21 | dreamer | hmm, unfortunately ayambit isn't here atm. I'm having some problems with the 6.0.2 installer: it doesn't see my sata-controller and without the disks on it my raid doesn't work (it only sees the disk that's on ide atm) and I'd like to install to the raid |
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| 16:37.33 | dreamer | lspci from the busybox shell shows the controller is an initio ini-1623 chipset |
| 16:37.50 | themill | jhutchins_lt: ssh-copy-id doesn't set up limits on what IPs you can log in from or what commands can be run with the key though. |
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| 16:38.22 | jhutchins_lt | True. |
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| 16:39.02 | dreamer | hmm, I find this though: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SATA_INIC162X.html |
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| 16:39.26 | dreamer | so the kernel should support it |
| 16:40.01 | dreamer | I mean, it's supposedly experimental .. |
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| 16:40.17 | Kromgol | karlpinc: From what i gathered, pvmove requires the space that it will move to not to be allocated by a logical volume? |
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| 16:48.56 | karlpinc | Kromgol: No, it just needs unallocated space in the lv that's on another pv. |
| 16:49.01 | lardadmin | Greetings. I have an logicalvolume that does stop on shutdown and it always forces fsck on startup. is there some option I am missing on mount? (it is mounted in a subdir of /var) |
| 16:49.43 | lardadmin | (libvirt/images to be exact) |
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| 16:50.11 | karlpinc | Kromgol: Oops. In the vg that's on another pv. |
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| 16:51.42 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: I see. ssh-copy-id helps, but you still need to go into authorized_keys and add things like "command=foo". |
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| 16:52.02 | SkilZ | Hi I installed Tor on my server, when I put the server ip and ports on my client pc on the network it says proxy is refusing connections, how can I fix this? |
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| 16:53.36 | dreamer | anyone an idea how I can poke this controller to see if it reads the disks? |
| 16:53.55 | karlpinc | Kromgol: It can also be useful to flag the pv so that nothing new gets allocated to it. (I forget the command.) |
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| 16:55.56 | Miesco | How do I scroll down just a little bit in xpdf? |
| 16:56.01 | Miesco | Without my mouse? |
| 16:56.07 | Miesco | (Don't have a mouse) |
| 16:56.24 | helo | you can use Ctrl+Alt+NumLock |
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| 16:56.28 | karlpinc | lardadmin: I'd first check that the fs is being unmounted on shutdown, or look at the fs parameters (tune2fs -l perhaps) and make sure that the fs is not configured to always check. |
| 16:56.30 | helo | and then use the keypad to more the curosr around |
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| 16:56.44 | helo | press "ins" to grab the pdf, and then the numpad to scroll |
| 16:56.50 | helo | press '5' to let go |
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| 16:57.54 | karlpinc | Kromgol: When you're done you remove the old pv from the vg. |
| 16:59.15 | karlpinc | Kromgol: (FWIW, for really clean backups you can backup an lvm snapshot that's been sitting around long enough that nothing is still writing to it. Otherwise you're backing up a fs that's changing. For most this is not a problem but YMMV.) |
| 16:59.46 | dreamer | why doesn't the installer-cd have a full shell? |
| 17:00.04 | dreamer | now I'm stuck with this busybox. I can't even scroll in the terminal window -_- |
| 17:00.06 | karlpinc | dreamer: Space. If you want everything run debian-live. You can install from that. |
| 17:00.47 | dreamer | I just want a shell that I can actually use hehe |
| 17:00.59 | dreamer | no, actually, I just want this sata-controller to work |
| 17:01.26 | karlpinc | dreamer: dmesg output helpful? |
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| 17:01.42 | dreamer | karlpinc: no idea, it's too big for the screen :) |
| 17:01.43 | karlpinc | dreamer: (Use more instead of less.) |
| 17:01.52 | dreamer | (all I see is some messages about the raid) |
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| 17:04.14 | dreamer | hmm, ok it seems to have loaded the driver for the controller, but it doesn't seem to have registered the disks that are connected to it -_- |
| 17:04.31 | dreamer | (and I'm very sure the jumper settings on the controller are correct) |
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| 17:05.19 | karlpinc | dreamer: Does the controller need non-free firmware or something odd like that? |
| 17:06.11 | dreamer | not that I know of |
| 17:06.15 | dreamer | it loads this driver: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SATA_INIC162X.html |
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| 17:06.44 | karlpinc | dreamer: Just for grins, what's the controller's pciid (via lspci -nn)? |
| 17:07.48 | dreamer | 1101:1622 :) |
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| 17:08.16 | karlpinc | ,pciid [1101:1622] |
| 17:08.17 | judd | [1101:1622] is 'INI-1623 PCI SATA-II Controller' from 'Initio Corporation' with kernel module 'sata_inic162x' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1101:1622 |
| 17:09.56 | karlpinc | dreamer: I don't see any issues. (Not that that means anything.) Is power ok to the drives? |
| 17:10.04 | dreamer | yup |
| 17:10.13 | dreamer | I can turn it off and check the jumper settings again |
| 17:10.22 | dreamer | (it has jumpers to change to eSata) |
| 17:10.32 | dreamer | but I specifically switched them to the internal sockets |
| 17:10.39 | karlpinc | dreamer: Does the bios see the drives? |
| 17:10.50 | dreamer | hmm, don't think so |
| 17:10.58 | dreamer | but mind you, this is an old board with pretty shitty bios |
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| 17:11.08 | dreamer | xp2400+ asrock thingy |
| 17:11.10 | _Dave123_ | I've just formatted my debian webserver (normally running 10 simple php sites - some use sql, and mailbox) and am looking to set it up again from scratch.. I'm looking for some advice/plan/tutorial.. does anybody know some good? |
| 17:11.20 | dreamer | karlpinc: I'll go check the jumpers first -_- |
| 17:11.26 | karlpinc | dreamer: Is there a bios that's not shitty? ;-) |
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| 17:13.21 | dreamer | hehe |
| 17:13.28 | dreamer | well I've seen some pretty cool bioses |
| 17:13.30 | cantido | the S in bios stands for shitty |
| 17:13.40 | dreamer | like my hp xterm |
| 17:13.50 | cantido | dreamer: on an x86 box? |
| 17:13.55 | dreamer | (unfortunately I don't have an system that runs on it) |
| 17:13.57 | dreamer | cantido: oh, n/m :P |
| 17:15.15 | cantido | dreamer: old unix boxes have nice-ish firmware |
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| 17:16.29 | dreamer | http://www.icidu.com/productdownloads/AI-707920/manual/AI-707920%20Manual%20Jumper%20Settings%20SATA.pdf << jumpers are like in the first set of pics (cn1-b) |
| 17:16.47 | dreamer | niether of the ports are configged as 'first device' |
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| 17:18.57 | bzed | dreamer: and the pdf says that one port has to be configured as first device... |
| 17:19.25 | dreamer | oh .. rly? |
| 17:19.27 | dreamer | shit :# |
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| 17:20.00 | dreamer | well, not as explicitaly |
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| 17:20.40 | dreamer | it doesn't say 'you need to have one of the ports as first device' |
| 17:20.53 | dreamer | but 'you can change' |
| 17:21.01 | dreamer | anyway .. I read it as 'optional' |
| 17:21.16 | dreamer | like cable select on ide-controllers |
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| 17:22.11 | dreamer | anyway, I'll try -_- |
| 17:22.49 | brah | Is there any button to get the C-l behaviour on Nautilus? |
| 17:23.00 | brah | There used to be, I think. |
| 17:23.02 | brah | Where has it gone? |
| 17:23.07 | abrotman | C-l ? |
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| 17:23.17 | brah | Control+L |
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| 17:28.04 | abrotman | still works for me brah |
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| 17:29.26 | Seamus | has anyone here tried upgrading to iceweasel-release on debian squeeze backports? |
| 17:29.37 | abrotman | from what? |
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| 17:29.46 | Seamus | from version 5.0 to version 6.0 |
| 17:29.52 | Seamus | I |
| 17:29.55 | abrotman | i'm using iceweasel-release from mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:30.19 | Seamus | I'm having trouble with it, it won't install xulrunner-6.0 because it depends on a version of libnss1 that isn't in squeeze |
| 17:30.48 | abrotman | Seamus: put the error in a pastebin, with your sources.list |
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| 17:31.55 | themill | (you need libnss3-1d from backports) |
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| 17:34.28 | Seamus | themill: it says libnss3-1d is already installed |
| 17:34.28 | nsadmin | if he;s getting iceweasel from backports, that would imply he has a backports source applicable to squeeze... why doe the error happen when the package is present in backports? |
| 17:34.52 | themill | nsadmin: you need to read the question more carefully.... |
| 17:34.57 | Gargantua | Hi, I'm trying to convert a .ogv file to .avi (divx), I've tried the mencoder method but it says mplayer was not compiled with libmp3lame support, help please? |
| 17:35.07 | Seamus | the problem is it depends on a new version of libnss3-1d but all my other packages depend on the old version of libnss3 |
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| 17:35.29 | Seamus | including openoffice. I'm guessing the backport package was not tested on an installation that includes openoffice in squeeze |
| 17:35.51 | Seamus | http://bpaste.net/show/18245/ |
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| 17:36.16 | nsadmin | themill, the question reads "has anyone here tried upgrading to iceweasel-release on debian squeeze backports?"... what is it I missed? |
| 17:36.42 | themill | Seamus: you need to apt-get update. the relevant package is available |
| 17:37.00 | nsadmin | apt-get is still recommended? |
| 17:37.07 | archetech | nsadmin you went outside the standard repos fro iceweasel? |
| 17:37.11 | archetech | for |
| 17:37.13 | Gargantua | Please guys? I'm really pressed for time :( |
| 17:37.25 | themill | nsadmin: except that you already know that iceweasel is not on backports.debian.org ... |
| 17:37.33 | cantido | nsadmin: aptitude is unusable on older machines.. |
| 17:37.45 | themill | nonsense |
| 17:37.55 | nsadmin | why, too slow? |
| 17:37.58 | mjt | it's slow that's true |
| 17:38.00 | cantido | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:38.18 | mjt | apt become slow with years too |
| 17:38.31 | cantido | expect to have most of your running stuff swapped out while it doesnt its thing too |
| 17:38.47 | cantido | and the curses UI is worthless |
| 17:38.53 | cantido | s/doesnt/does/ |
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| 17:39.30 | Seamus | here's my sources |
| 17:39.32 | Seamus | http://pastebin.com/ed6YXH8g |
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| 17:39.54 | Seamus | I can't upgrade to the latest libnss, it isn't available. Maybe I need some other entry in my sources? |
| 17:40.10 | themill | Seamus: [18:36] <themill> Seamus: you need to apt-get update. the relevant package is available |
| 17:40.19 | Seamus | I did that |
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| 17:40.36 | nsadmin | Gargantua, I don't know, but maybe the mplayer/mencoder from dmm would have that stuff built in |
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| 17:41.23 | themill | ,versions libnss3-1d --release squeeze-backports |
| 17:41.25 | judd | Package libnss3-1d on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.12.10-2~bpo60+1 |
| 17:41.27 | cantido | Gargantua: where is your mplayer from? |
| 17:41.41 | themill | Seamus: as you can see, the package is available. "apt-get update" and try again. |
| 17:41.47 | cantido | Gargantua: anything in debian multimedia is probably linked with lame |
| 17:41.51 | nsadmin | probably the reason aptitude could be slow is the data structures it has to use (ie linear flat files) |
| 17:42.03 | killfoo | hi! anyone has a good tutorial how to remotely (SSH) connect to a debian server with GDM and then choose a login session? |
| 17:42.26 | cantido | nsadmin: I wouldnt want to have to use it on an ARM machine with 32mb of ram ;) |
| 17:42.59 | Seamus | themill: I didn't have squeeze-backports enabled, only mozilla.debian.net |
| 17:43.03 | Seamus | that was the problem... thanks |
| 17:43.12 | nsadmin | killfoo, Xnest -query <remote-running-gdm> |
| 17:43.27 | killfoo | nsadmin: the client system is windows.. |
| 17:43.33 | SkilZ | I have an Acer Veriton and in the bios there is a 'Smart fan' option, if its on my cpu runs really hot 60C plus, if its off, it runs really cool 20C BUT the fan is SO noisy you can hear it in the other room, can I set the fan inbetween? |
| 17:43.52 | cantido | SkilZ: the lmsensors package has a fancontrol scripts.. |
| 17:44.05 | nsadmin | killfoo, oh, dunno then |
| 17:44.25 | _Dave123_ | before i want to connect to my GUI of my debian server with vnc i have to install a Desktop Env right?? any suggestions or good ones and how to od install it? |
| 17:44.30 | cantido | SkilZ: I think its also possible to control fans via some interface in /sys .. depends if whatever is controlling the fans is supported though |
| 17:44.36 | killfoo | nsadmin: damn, thx anyway.. |
| 17:44.40 | SkilZ | : Unable to locate package lmsensors |
| 17:44.55 | cantido | SkilZ: its called sensors IIRC |
| 17:45.01 | cantido | SkilZ: the package that is |
| 17:45.02 | frostschutz | SkilZ: what's the max temperature the CPU can live with? 60°C CPU is okay if the CPU can go up to 90... |
| 17:45.04 | nsadmin | why do you want to use ssh? how "remote" is remote? |
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| 17:45.25 | cantido | frostschutz: the stuff around it probably doesnt like being heated up that much though |
| 17:45.35 | SkilZ | E: Unable to locate package sensors |
| 17:45.42 | cantido | SkilZ: use apt-cache.. |
| 17:46.15 | nsadmin | killfoo, why do you want to use ssh? how "remote" is remote? |
| 17:46.43 | SkilZ | frostschutz, No idea, How do I find out? It's a Pentium Dual Core 2.6GHZ |
| 17:46.50 | frostschutz | if a board is designed to hold cpus that are designed to get that hot, then there'd better be no stuff around it. there usually isnt anyway as coolers need lots and lots of space... I agree it isnt optimal but you can't have 20°C and noiseless cooling unless you use water... |
| 17:47.08 | nsadmin | coffee time! |
| 17:47.12 | killfoo | nsadmin: it must be secure communication.. thats all. and remote means a debian server and a windows client somewhere in the same network.. |
| 17:47.29 | cantido | frostschutz: this is why modern fans are PWM controlled.. |
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| 17:47.53 | SkilZ | frostschutz, The CPU heat sink is so hot I can only touch it for 2seconds |
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| 17:47.55 | nsadmin | you could install linux on a separate machine |
| 17:47.58 | SkilZ | its red hot |
| 17:48.06 | jelly-home | SkilZ: that's too hot. |
| 17:48.13 | killfoo | nsadmin: windows is a requirement because if dummy users.. |
| 17:48.31 | mark_u- | does anyone know of a way to have 1 mount point which aggregates two other mountpoints together, but only writes to one of them? |
| 17:48.31 | SkilZ | so if the socket is reporting 61C the CPU core is more likely to be around 80? |
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| 17:48.46 | mark_u- | so basically read access to both mounts, write only to one of them |
| 17:48.51 | cantido | SkilZ: the temp sensor is inside the die.. it should be pretty close |
| 17:48.59 | nsadmin | so, it's the users that would see the gdm login screen |
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| 17:49.04 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 17:49.20 | SkilZ | is 'fancontrol' what I need? |
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| 17:49.30 | frostschutz | I think I had a system once where the sensor was outside / below the cpu but I think that's, like, old |
| 17:49.32 | cantido | SkilZ: if you can get fancontrol to work it will allow you to balance between heat and noise |
| 17:49.34 | killfoo | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:50.00 | mjt | most motherboards nowadays has automatic fan control function enabled |
| 17:50.00 | SkilZ | ~$ sudo fancontrol |
| 17:50.01 | SkilZ | Loading configuration from /etc/fancontrol ... |
| 17:50.01 | SkilZ | Error: Can't read configuration file |
| 17:50.09 | cantido | frostschutz: old AMD machines had the sensor under the package, in the middle of the socket.. all Intel chips since the p3 have an on-die sensor IIRC |
| 17:50.12 | SkilZ | this is an old computer |
| 17:50.16 | mjt | s/enabled/implemented/ |
| 17:50.20 | cantido | SkilZ: fancontrol --help |
| 17:50.28 | SkilZ | about 5+ years old |
| 17:50.39 | cantido | SkilZ: its not a P2 |
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| 17:51.01 | nsadmin | SkilZ, probably what you need is to make sure that the heat sink is adequate and that the airflow actually carries heat out of the box |
| 17:51.18 | cantido | SkilZ: it should have thermal shutdown anyhow.. you shouldnt be able to kill the CPU itself ;) |
| 17:51.30 | cantido | nsadmin: I think he said its a laptop.. |
| 17:51.49 | SkilZ | it freezes sometimes |
| 17:51.57 | SkilZ | Nah |
| 17:52.11 | Guest65799 | Hello.) what is the problem for today? |
| 17:52.12 | SkilZ | It's one of those Acer compacted desktops |
| 17:52.15 | SkilZ | mini case |
| 17:52.26 | SkilZ | where everythings cramed in so tight together |
| 17:52.26 | Guest65799 | Acer nettop. |
| 17:52.34 | cantido | SkilZ: oh, small case is always going to be a problem |
| 17:52.40 | SkilZ | Yeah |
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| 17:52.46 | cantido | SkilZ: do you have frequency scaling setup? |
| 17:52.47 | Guest65799 | Yeah , they do burn sometimes |
| 17:52.50 | cantido | that might help |
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| 17:53.05 | nsadmin | so, move everything into a larger case |
| 17:53.28 | cantido | Guest65799: I think thats probably from killing the caps that make up the processor power supply.. not the chip killing itself |
| 17:53.42 | SkilZ | /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed |
| 17:53.50 | SkilZ | cantido, WHats that? |
| 17:54.10 | SkilZ | acer veriton 2800 |
| 17:54.12 | SkilZ | thats the pc |
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| 17:54.25 | nsadmin | Guest65799, bears want human females sexually... burning man is a particular problem... |
| 17:54.30 | archetech | which web directory setup is better? /var/www (default as is) or /srv/www |
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| 17:55.03 | cantido | SkilZ: you need to run sensors-detect first to find out what sensor stuff is in the machine |
| 17:55.04 | SkilZ | archetech, /var/www |
| 17:55.11 | nsadmin | archetech, better for what? |
| 17:55.39 | jelly-home | SkilZ: as root, run "modprobe acpi-cpufreq". Then pastebin the output of "grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*" |
| 17:55.49 | cantido | SkilZ: I would make sure your frequency scaling is working too, so the box isnt getting hot for no reason |
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| 17:55.59 | archetech | Skilz says use default |
| 17:56.19 | archetech | better fro the os to understand |
| 17:56.21 | archetech | for |
| 17:56.37 | SkilZ | So far It has found one 'yes' 'SMSC' 'SMSC LPC47M182 Super IO Fan Sensors (but not activated)' |
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| 17:57.10 | archetech | debian "expects" to see web content in /var/www I yake it |
| 17:57.11 | SkilZ | Sorry, no sensors were detected. |
| 17:57.12 | SkilZ | GRRRR |
| 17:57.19 | archetech | take* |
| 17:57.40 | Guest65799 | did you try to remove all fan controlling apps? Then the fan would work on 100% and there will be no overheating. Unless you have a lot of dust inside your Ace |
| 17:57.42 | Guest65799 | r |
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| 17:58.13 | SkilZ | jelly-home, FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
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| 17:58.27 | Pinas | hello |
| 17:58.29 | Pinas | hello I hope somebody can help me. I try to get a virtual host to run on *:85, so i created a new virtual host under sites-available then I ran this setup command (i cant remember the name sry) and then I added Listen 85 and NameVirtualHost *:85 to the ports.conf |
| 17:58.35 | mah454 | How can i upgrade only one package with apt ? |
| 17:58.44 | nsadmin | archetech, not all of "debian" reads the web pages... the truth is you can put it anywhere you want (within reason: not /tmp for example, and not anywhere debian packaging has permission to write) |
| 17:58.49 | Guest65799 | apt-get update *package name* i guess |
| 17:59.03 | thewanderer1 | archetech: I always host content in /srv/www, so far I've had no problems with that on Apache, Lighttpd nor Cherokee |
| 17:59.15 | nsadmin | Guest65799, check man apt-get |
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| 17:59.54 | nsadmin | (apt-get update pkg is a syntax error) |
| 18:00.00 | jelly-home | SkilZ: that's not too good a sign. pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo then |
| 18:01.07 | archetech | I know content can be anywhere...what is best practice |
| 18:01.23 | Guest65799 | Sorry, that was just a guess, i am new To Aptitude. ) |
| 18:01.34 | SkilZ | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/127506 |
| 18:02.17 | cantido | jelly-home: if its an older intel.. it might work with the p4 module, if thats still in the kernel |
| 18:03.04 | Pinas | any ideas how i can fix my problem ?? |
| 18:03.16 | jelly-home | p4-clockmod doesn't change voltage, just freq |
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| 18:04.04 | jelly-home | I don't know much about cpu generations, but it looks like a crippled core duo thingy |
| 18:04.09 | archetech | I suppose I'll have to read through apache2.conf to see how it was packaged by default |
| 18:04.11 | cantido | jelly-home: that would still result in it running cooler.. |
| 18:04.26 | jelly-home | cantido: yes and no |
| 18:04.26 | karlpinc | Pinas: Did you restart or reload the webserver? (You never said what you did that make you think there's a problem.) Did you look at the logs? |
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| 18:04.50 | cantido | jelly-home: why no? |
| 18:05.00 | jelly-home | cantido: empirical evidence |
| 18:05.04 | Pinas | karlpinc, yes i restarted the server several times and I had a look at the logs but I could not find anything |
| 18:05.06 | archetech | Anybody got a better debian lamp tut than linode's? |
| 18:05.25 | cantido | jelly-home: transistors switching at lower frequency == less heat generated |
| 18:05.29 | Pinas | i thought that I may have forgotten something (for the virtual host) |
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| 18:05.44 | karlpinc | Pinas: See also the readme.debian. |
| 18:05.50 | karlpinc | !tell Pinas about readme.debian |
| 18:05.52 | SkilZ | So guys whats the prognosis? Am I screwed? |
| 18:06.00 | karlpinc | Pinas: How do you know it does not work? |
| 18:06.01 | cantido | jelly-home: the issue would be to stop the cpu always scaling up the clock.. and cpufreq can manage that |
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| 18:06.23 | Pinas | karlpinc well if i try to connect to the server on port 85 nothing happens :) |
| 18:06.31 | jelly-home | SkilZ: well. Try also modprobing speedstep-centrino, and if that fails, p4-clockmod |
| 18:06.45 | lol37_ | Hi |
| 18:06.45 | karlpinc | Pinas: Connect with what? |
| 18:06.49 | Pinas | firefox |
| 18:07.08 | jelly-home | SkilZ: does the machine use any special boot parameters? |
| 18:07.48 | archetech | wiki has 2008 steps thats old |
| 18:07.52 | SkilZ | jelly-home, Sorry I don't understand much about hardware. what do you mean? |
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| 18:08.13 | SkilZ | jelly-home, speedstep-centrino FATAL error |
| 18:08.16 | jelly-home | SkilZ: did you have to add any special boot parameters to grub to make it work |
| 18:08.20 | Pinas | karlpinc the funny thing is, that someone did the same as I currently do just for another vhost and on another port. I simpley copied his vhost stuff and put in my path/new port |
| 18:08.22 | SkilZ | no |
| 18:08.36 | SkilZ | debian installed like normal |
| 18:08.48 | karlpinc | Pinas: And there's nothing in the error logs? |
| 18:08.58 | jelly-home | SkilZ: aight, and modprobe p4-clockmod? |
| 18:09.08 | SkilZ | that worked |
| 18:09.11 | SkilZ | now what? |
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| 18:10.00 | cantido | SkilZ: cat /proc/cpuinfo and see if the clock frequency has changed |
| 18:10.00 | Pinas | karlpinc no nothing interesting |
| 18:10.18 | dreamer | karlpinc: ok. back (was on the phone before). I tried setting one of the ports to 'first device' |
| 18:10.26 | dreamer | install still doesn't see the drives |
| 18:10.55 | karlpinc | Pinas: I don't know. You could try pastbin-ing configs and logs and see if anybody can help. |
| 18:11.08 | Pinas | hmm kk |
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| 18:11.16 | karlpinc | Pinas: You've a link in the sites-enabled dir? |
| 18:11.27 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I don't think p4-clockmod actually helps scale down power usage and heat... |
| 18:11.29 | dreamer | but in dmesg I see 'scsi2 : sata_inic162x' and 'scsi3 : sata_inic162x' and then 'ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 mmio *blargh* irq 16' |
| 18:11.49 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: that's what I'm saying |
| 18:11.56 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: it does but not much |
| 18:12.09 | Pinas | this is my config http://pastebin.com/DNNa8qPe |
| 18:12.12 | brah | abrotman: Yes, C-l still works. But there used to be a small pen icon to the left of the hard drive icon on the folder list, and now it isn't there anymore. Instead it's now hidden on the Go to menu. |
| 18:12.26 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 18:13.03 | brah | And even though I'm a vi lover, I don't like shortcuts on Desktops I deploy. |
| 18:13.07 | karlpinc | dreamer: You know the hardware actually works? (Once upon a time I've had to tell the bios to do something stupid to un-sata sata drives. But I think that was before the right driver was in the kernel.) |
| 18:13.22 | SkilZ | Shit a quick google search revealed the max recommended cpu temp for my processor is 64C, it's currently 62C |
| 18:13.23 | Pinas | this is my ports.conf http://pastebin.com/gbEcWUqV |
| 18:13.26 | SkilZ | shit shit shit |
| 18:13.44 | SkilZ | melt down immanent! |
| 18:13.49 | karlpinc | SkilZ: Is the fan clean? |
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| 18:13.54 | SkilZ | yeah |
| 18:14.13 | dreamer | karlpinc: I've never used it before. I bought it because my other motherboard died and I need sata for this raid |
| 18:14.39 | thewanderer1 | SkilZ: I've heard that old Pentiums tend to get hotter with age... try using good thermal grease, though, before you throw it out :P |
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| 18:14.53 | dreamer | karlpinc: but do those lines in dmesg indicate that the disks have been detected? |
| 18:15.08 | ompaul | don't use too much or it acts like cooking oil .. i.e. skim it on |
| 18:15.10 | mjt | hotter with age is... interesting |
| 18:15.13 | jelly-home | SkilZ: I would also try a newer kernel and acpi-cpufreq, say 2.6.39 or 3.0 |
| 18:15.19 | karlpinc | dreamer: To me, which does not mean a whole lot, it means it sees the controllers. |
| 18:15.21 | dreamer | I have no idea what I could set in the bios .. it seems the bios doesn't get power from the cmos battery though -_- |
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| 18:15.41 | karlpinc | dreamer: New battery. |
| 18:15.45 | SkilZ | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/127508 |
| 18:15.47 | Pinas | karlpinc should i be enough to create the vhost (in an extra file) under site-available, then link this file to sites-enabled and add the Listen and NameVirtualHost to ports.conf ??? |
| 18:16.09 | jelly-home | SkilZ: you already sent that |
| 18:16.10 | karlpinc | Pinas: I'd think so. But I only do this occasionally. |
| 18:16.28 | SkilZ | Thats after doing the p4-clockmod command |
| 18:16.31 | SkilZ | has it changed? |
| 18:16.35 | Pinas | hmm well it is not my server so maybe there is a firewall or something else in front of it |
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| 18:16.45 | Pinas | because if i put in port 81 everything works fine |
| 18:16.53 | dreamer | karlpinc: aaarg! /me kicks himself in the face |
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| 18:16.58 | dreamer | I didn't connect the drives to the controller -_- |
| 18:17.24 | SkilZ | every now and then the fans spin up but only for about 3 or so seconds |
| 18:17.24 | dreamer | dmesg also sees this apparently: ata3: SATA link down (SSTatus 0 SControl 300) |
| 18:17.27 | Pinas | karlpinc - I'll ask the admin, thx a lot :) |
| 18:17.27 | karlpinc | dreamer: Well, it's good you had someone to talk it through then. It always helps. :) |
| 18:17.32 | dreamer | :P |
| 18:17.38 | dreamer | sata is hot-pluggable right? :P |
| 18:17.40 | eviljoker | Going to grab a new kernel. On Debian its called "linux-image" and not "kernel-image" right? |
| 18:18.21 | karlpinc | eviljoker: right. |
| 18:18.26 | SkilZ | That actually changed it from 2793.004 to 2800.000 |
| 18:18.32 | SkilZ | made it over clocked |
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| 18:18.58 | jelly-home | SkilZ: it hasn't, finding the right module is just a first step. Now pastebin the output for that grep way above |
| 18:19.04 | nsadmin | SkilZ, you probably want to underclock |
| 18:19.53 | SkilZ | jelly, can't you see the clock speed has increased? |
| 18:20.05 | eviljoker | karlpinc do you know if the Atom N270 use the -486 or -686-pae kernels. Was going to give 3.0.0.-1 a whirl ... |
| 18:20.10 | jelly-home | SkilZ: irrelevant |
| 18:20.19 | nsadmin | dreamer, maybe esata is... precautions apply tho |
| 18:20.49 | dreamer | heh |
| 18:20.55 | dreamer | ok, I'll turn the computer off to be sure -_- |
| 18:21.10 | SkilZ | http://paste.debian.net/127510 |
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| 18:21.48 | SkilZ | Is connecting the fan to a battery an option? |
| 18:21.54 | eviljoker | Actually does anybody know what the Intel atom 270 cpu is as far as kernels go. -486 -686 ??? |
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| 18:22.45 | wrksx | What should lie in /var/local ? |
| 18:22.48 | nsadmin | eviljoker, maybe you can build a kernel with atom support |
| 18:22.57 | eviljoker | there is no lm when I do a cat /proc/cpuinfo so I know it is a 32 bit.. |
| 18:22.57 | thewanderer1 | evilbulgarian: 686 |
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| 18:23.19 | jelly-home | SkilZ: echo ondemand >> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 18:23.24 | nsadmin | wrksx, nothing... /var/local should tell the truth! |
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| 18:23.44 | wrksx | nsadmin, ok i'll check my spelling ! |
| 18:24.10 | jelly-home | SkilZ: see if the frequency value in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq or /proc/cpuinfo varies more after that |
| 18:24.29 | eviljoker | nasdmin Yeah am am doing stuff like that right now. Thing is that I am not really sure whats it falls under. Got this netbook today for a cup of coffee from a friend. |
| 18:24.35 | wrksx | nsadmin, but seriously I found a debian dir architecture explaination but it must be outdated it doesn't mentiouyjh,n the /var/loacal |
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| 18:25.13 | nsadmin | check debian policy and FHS (which debian doesn't completely follow) and see. most likely debian packages are not permitted to touch it |
| 18:25.35 | SkilZ | jelly-home, Still at 2800.000 |
| 18:25.37 | wrksx | k |
| 18:25.57 | SkilZ | What about hooking the fan up to a battery? Will that make it run a little slower? |
| 18:26.08 | SkilZ | 9V? |
| 18:26.11 | jelly-home | why would you want it to run SLOWER? |
| 18:26.18 | dreamer | karlpinc: partial succes \o/ |
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| 18:26.33 | nsadmin | so that it would run COOLER? |
| 18:26.40 | dreamer | only one of the drives is seen by the installer .. but at least it reads the raid \o/ |
| 18:26.45 | SkilZ | jelly, If I turn smart fan OFF in the bios, it runs at full speed and is noisy as hell BUT its 22C |
| 18:27.11 | SkilZ | jelly-home, If I have it on like I do now it's quiet as a mouse but runs at 60C |
| 18:27.29 | SkilZ | so I need a medium |
| 18:27.38 | jelly-home | SkilZ: if you turn the smart fan thingy off in BIOS, BIOS might expose the PWM controls |
| 18:27.52 | SkilZ | ORLY? |
| 18:27.55 | SkilZ | brb then |
| 18:28.23 | jelly-home | either BIOS or the OS controls the fan, can't be both |
| 18:28.57 | nsadmin | is there something in debian that can take over what the bios does? |
| 18:29.20 | jelly-home | nsadmin: ah, so the cpu gets cooler when the fan runs slower? o.o |
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| 18:29.57 | nsadmin | nono, the cpu gets cooler when the cpu runs slower :) |
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| 18:30.16 | dreamer | karlpinc: hm, still says 'ata4: SATA link down' on that other disk .. |
| 18:30.34 | jelly-home | nsadmin: this is the bit where you're told to re-read the log |
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| 18:31.11 | SkilZ | Okay. |
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| 18:31.43 | SkilZ | What was the command I have to do now?> |
| 18:32.03 | SkilZ | The temp has dropped to 38C already |
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| 18:32.20 | SkilZ | 35C |
| 18:32.24 | nsadmin | why not leave it like that? |
| 18:32.43 | SkilZ | nsadmin: Because the fan is making me deff and giving me a shocking headache |
| 18:32.50 | SkilZ | and it wakes my daughter |
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| 18:33.10 | SkilZ | it shounds like a jet engine |
| 18:33.43 | nsadmin | that's pretty loud.... |
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| 18:34.04 | SkilZ | jelly-home: What was the command to do now sorry? |
| 18:34.09 | SkilZ | nsadmin: Yeah it is |
| 18:34.22 | jelly-home | SkilZ: you can't scroll back? |
| 18:34.23 | SkilZ | Its a constant high pitch EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 18:34.26 | SkilZ | No |
| 18:34.33 | SkilZ | irssi, no logging |
| 18:34.35 | anomaly | first time for me for this to happen.. installed 6.0.2 to two machines, in two different locations. on the lan, I can ssh in and ping the ip (even though it is a public) and on the other the same.. but when I am at location 1, I can not even ping much less ssh in to the other.. and vice versa. I double checked network settings and sshd_config.. anything else I am missing? |
| 18:34.47 | jelly-home | SkilZ: find a better irc client and/or enable logging! |
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| 18:35.02 | SkilZ | jelly-home: Okay sorry |
| 18:35.11 | jelly-home | SkilZ: grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/* |
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| 18:35.21 | nsadmin | anomaly, lan addresses are NATed? |
| 18:35.26 | SkilZ | Don't I have to do the pwm thingy? |
| 18:35.54 | jelly-home | that might be helpful |
| 18:36.00 | anomaly | nsadmin no, I allocated them through both routers to have the front facing ip (99.* as opposed to 192.*) |
| 18:36.28 | SkilZ | jelly-home: Thats the command I was refurring to |
| 18:36.35 | jelly-home | SkilZ: someone else will have to help with that tho, I don't have a machine with exposed pwm controls |
| 18:36.47 | _Dave123_ | before i want to connect to my GUI of my debian server with vnc i have to install a Desktop Env right?? any suggestions or good ones and how to od install it? |
| 18:37.11 | SkilZ | jelly-home: How do I scan again to detect? |
| 18:37.19 | jelly-home | SkilZ: scan what? |
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| 18:37.32 | SkilZ | the sensors pwm control thingy |
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| 18:38.07 | jelly-home | SkilZ: I don't know anytihng about setting up pwm, just find it reasonable that either BIOS or OS manage it but not both |
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| 18:38.52 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 18:38.57 | lenswipe | can someone help me with something |
| 18:39.17 | SkilZ | Sorry, no sensors were detected. |
| 18:39.27 | lenswipe | lol |
| 18:39.32 | SkilZ | with sensors-detect |
| 18:39.43 | SkilZ | This is driving me nuts I tell you! |
| 18:39.44 | lenswipe | theres a wizard in linux that lets you do LAMP installs and stuff |
| 18:39.46 | lenswipe | whats it called? |
| 18:39.47 | SkilZ | the noise |
| 18:39.49 | lenswipe | its a command you run |
| 18:40.13 | SkilZ | What about doing something in the bios? cpu voltage? |
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| 18:41.33 | SkilZ | Something about Therm throttling |
| 18:41.54 | SkilZ | 25%, 50% or 75% |
| 18:42.02 | SkilZ | Don't think it does anything though |
| 18:42.13 | jelly-home | SkilZ: have you googled for your model and linux and fan control? |
| 18:42.25 | nsadmin | you don't want to change cpu voltage |
| 18:42.29 | SkilZ | jelly-home: Thats the first thing I done |
| 18:42.37 | SkilZ | nsadmin: Why is that? |
| 18:43.01 | nsadmin | because voltage requirements are constant |
| 18:43.05 | jelly-home | might damage the hardware |
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| 18:44.18 | nsadmin | besides you shouldn't even be able to change the voltage in the bios |
| 18:44.37 | nsadmin | if you could, someone could fry your cpu remotely |
| 18:44.43 | wols_ | nsadmin: they are not and haven't been for a long time |
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| 18:45.04 | nsadmin | haven't been what? |
| 18:45.15 | wols_ | constant |
| 18:46.14 | nsadmin | what benefit does that get us? |
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| 18:46.32 | wols_ | lower power usage. cooler cpus |
| 18:46.45 | nsadmin | when you lower voltage? |
| 18:46.50 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:46.51 | SkilZ | wols_: Thats what I thought |
| 18:47.36 | wols_ | nsadmin: not necessarily when the user does it. the system does it on its own, normally. built that way |
| 18:47.46 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm using poEdit for creating gettext translations. I understand that I can define keywords that replace gettext() and _(), but can I do the same for plurals? (ngettext()) |
| 18:48.18 | nsadmin | so the voltage changes while the cpu is running? |
| 18:48.58 | wols_ | SkilZ: you normally don't want or even can do it. you need a kernel patch to lower them manually. what cpu do you have? |
| 18:49.09 | wols_ | nsadmin: of course |
| 18:49.19 | SkilZ | I was talking about doing it in the bios |
| 18:49.34 | wols_ | SkilZ: are you overclocking? |
| 18:49.38 | SkilZ | model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz |
| 18:49.39 | SkilZ | no |
| 18:49.53 | SkilZ | my fan is running so fast and noisy |
| 18:49.54 | jaggz1 | abrotman: regarding the data search/retrieval... I'm storing data in various forms, and a part of the data is text (language), which I want to be able to search for, based on word searches .. like standard web "search this site" type deal |
| 18:49.55 | wols_ | then don't and let it be as it is. however: how is this debian related? |
| 18:50.38 | SkilZ | if I turn smart control on in the bios it's nice and quiet but the temp is at 62C |
| 18:50.47 | abrotman | jaggz1: you're leaving out a lot of detail .. there is a package called htdig that is a search engine |
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| 18:51.00 | wols_ | SkilZ: ls /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon0/device |
| 18:51.23 | SkilZ | No such file or directory |
| 18:51.53 | wols_ | well, you have ancient hardware. not sure your mobo even uses 4pin fan headers yet |
| 18:52.14 | abrotman | or no sensor attached? |
| 18:52.39 | thewanderer1 | did you run sensors-detect anyway? |
| 18:52.42 | jaggz1 | the data is in various formats, in Berkeley DB files .. so it's not really web-based. However, perhaps I can get away with htdig just indexing through the web interface |
| 18:52.57 | wols_ | abrotman: P4s have sensors. (3 wire), but not necessarily PWM |
| 18:53.05 | SkilZ | thewanderer1: YEs No sensors detected |
| 18:53.11 | SkilZ | just shitty old acer |
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| 18:53.45 | jaggz1 | run top? :) |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | SkilZ: cat /proc/cpuinfo .. what is the model? |
| 18:53.59 | wols_ | SkilZ: there are sensors in BIOS? can you run windows on this machine? |
| 18:54.19 | abrotman | SkilZ: or rather .. model name |
| 18:54.21 | SkilZ | model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz |
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| 18:54.56 | SkilZ | There must be some sort of sensor cause when I enable 'Smart Fan' in the bios the fan speed slows dramaticly |
| 18:55.23 | wols_ | SkilZ: does the BIOS sow temperatures and fanspeeds? |
| 18:55.24 | SkilZ | nice and quiet but it runs so hot and every now and then the fan speeds up for a few seconds then slows again |
| 18:55.31 | SkilZ | wols_: Yes |
| 18:55.48 | SkilZ | something like 9000RPM |
| 18:55.54 | SkilZ | at the moment |
| 18:56.03 | wols_ | I suggest you google yourcomputer model and 2lm-sensors" |
| 18:56.11 | wols_ | sensors-detect rarely works well :( |
| 18:56.25 | wols_ | it doesn't run at k rpm, cannot |
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| 18:56.50 | wols_ | *9k rpm |
| 18:57.41 | SkilZ | Google search returned nothing, |
| 18:57.57 | SkilZ | Let me go into bios and check exactly the speeds ect |
| 18:57.58 | SkilZ | brb |
| 18:58.21 | SkilZ | also, what about hooking a 9V battery up to the fan instead of the motherboard, will that slow it a little? |
| 18:58.51 | wols_ | don't do that |
| 18:58.57 | SkilZ | why not? |
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| 18:59.10 | wols_ | if you go that route, buy a new hetsink/fan which is at least 80mm in size |
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| 18:59.19 | jelly-home | SkilZ: or a 5V |
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| 18:59.30 | wols_ | cause a battery is bad. if anything you use another voltage from your normal powersupply |
| 18:59.33 | jelly-home | SkilZ: from the board |
| 18:59.56 | wols_ | jelly-home: fans don't start to spin at 5V. or at least many don't. typically you need at least 7V |
| 19:00.22 | jelly-home | +12 and +5, then |
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| 19:00.26 | SkilZ | jelly-home: I tried that but cause it's a propietry/acer board, I cant mount any other headsink/fan |
| 19:00.27 | jelly-home | there's your 7 |
| 19:00.28 | wols_ | yes |
| 19:01.05 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 19:01.09 | SkilZ | So theres somewhere else to plug the fan on the motherboard? |
| 19:01.12 | wols_ | SkilZ: which acer model? |
| 19:01.30 | wols_ | SkilZ: no ther eis not. but the 4pin molex connectors can be used |
| 19:02.01 | SkilZ | wols_: Whats that? |
| 19:02.06 | SkilZ | wols_: Veriton 2800 |
| 19:02.16 | wols_ | the power connector for your optical drive |
| 19:02.17 | SkilZ | 2.8ghz cpy |
| 19:02.44 | SkilZ | the old style hdd/cdrom connector? |
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| 19:04.13 | wols_ | SkilZ: this your computer? http://color-xerox.ru/doc/trabl_printer/img_trb/acer_veriton_2800.jpg |
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| 19:04.46 | SkilZ | wols_: Sure is |
| 19:04.57 | SkilZ | pos |
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| 19:06.53 | wols_ | your cpu fan does PWM |
| 19:07.23 | SkilZ | So why did sensors-detect not pick it up |
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| 19:08.13 | jeeves_moss | I'm running into "/etc/freeradius/sites-enabled/default[159]: Failed to load module "sql".", what should I be changing? |
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| 19:11.22 | SkilZ | wols_: Also pwmconfig failed |
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| 19:12.19 | SkilZ | wols_: I run sensors-detect and I get sorry no sensors detected but I DID see 1 YES in there |
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| 19:12.31 | SkilZ | and pwmconfig says usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed |
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| 19:12.39 | wols_ | SkilZ:if you want to replace te heatsink, you need a BTX heatsink |
| 19:13.01 | albech | anyone running bogofilter? I cannot get it to create the initial wordlist.db file |
| 19:13.02 | SkilZ | will that connect to this board? |
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| 19:13.57 | wols_ | afaik yes. it is a BTX board. hard to find tho http://gh.de/eu/340975 |
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| 19:14.34 | SkilZ | wols_: Thats what I got now but it looks the same so whats that gonna accomplish? |
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| 19:15.04 | SkilZ | wols_: If my fan does PWM why is the scans failing? |
| 19:15.15 | semente | hello guys... I'm experiencing a very strange problem in Debian Sid since yesterday at evening... My flisystem are unmounting (like / and /home) and remouting again. One way to reproduce it is login and logout, but it happens in different ways that I couldnt identify properly yet |
| 19:15.28 | wols_ | cause lm-sensors doesn't detect what sensors chip you have |
| 19:15.48 | SkilZ | wols_: How can I detect it and control the fan? |
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| 19:16.20 | SkilZ | I will seriously pay someone if they can help me fix this its driving me NUTS!!!! |
| 19:16.25 | maligor | semente, sid isn't supported here, if you use it, you fix it |
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| 19:16.47 | nsadmin | semente, first... you're using sid for real work?! |
| 19:17.03 | semente | nsadmin: no |
| 19:17.31 | semente | maligor: I can't even ask here? I want help to identify the problem, so I can be able to report a properly bug. |
| 19:17.33 | nvz | I have lenny on this netbook with a custom 2.6.32 I made to address a wifi issue when I installed, so I should just be able to upgrade to squeeze in one step right? |
| 19:17.37 | nsadmin | oh good :) then backing up all storage on that box periodically is only partially indicated :) |
| 19:17.45 | SkilZ | wols_: jelly-home Said something about upgrading my kernel to 3, will that help? |
| 19:17.49 | semente | nsadmin: I already do it. :-) |
| 19:18.01 | jelly-home | SkilZ: NO WARRANTY |
| 19:18.24 | SkilZ | lol |
| 19:18.35 | SkilZ | jelly-home: I was born with no warranty! |
| 19:18.47 | epsilon | SkilZ: the backlog is quite long, but you have issue controlling the fan speed you want to do it manually? |
| 19:18.52 | maligor | semeion, if someone knows about it here, he would've reported it already |
| 19:18.55 | nsadmin | and no manual too :) |
| 19:19.05 | maligor | semeion, sorry, mt |
| 19:19.07 | SkilZ | epsilon: Yes |
| 19:19.08 | maligor | semente, I mean you |
| 19:19.25 | fbs | hehe |
| 19:19.30 | nsadmin | there is a jazz tune called "I mean you" |
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| 19:20.04 | maligor | semeion, it's extremely unlikely anyone would be able to respond to questions like that on a moving target |
| 19:20.14 | maligor | mff.. |
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| 19:20.33 | epsilon | SkilZ: is plugging the fan directly to 5V/12V connection and controlling it via potentiometer an option? |
| 19:20.54 | SkilZ | epsilon: I guess so |
| 19:21.02 | SkilZ | How would I do that? |
| 19:21.08 | epsilon | then do it instead dealing with software |
| 19:21.17 | fbs | only works for low power fans |
| 19:21.19 | fbs | :) |
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| 19:22.02 | epsilon | eh? I use 120mm fans with simple potentiometers and cool CPU/Grafic since years, no issue at all and I have full control of the fan |
| 19:22.33 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 19:23.24 | epsilon | SkilZ: you can buy simple potentiometers with just fan-connectors, of some bigger models to install in 5 1/4" shaft |
| 19:23.41 | epsilon | s/of/or |
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| 19:25.14 | hatchetjack | tarzeau: dude |
| 19:25.23 | hatchetjack | tarzeau: not tired of this place yet? |
| 19:25.42 | HideMe | Is there a package like FreeBSD daily security reports for Debian? |
| 19:26.03 | epsilon | SkilZ: the stuff I useally use to control: http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=regler |
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| 19:26.40 | abrotman | hatchetjack: need Debian help? |
| 19:26.50 | hatchetjack | abrotman: no |
| 19:26.55 | hatchetjack | abrotman: how are you doing? |
| 19:26.56 | donttrustem | hi I am trying to add a static route route add -host 172.16.16.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 172.16.16.1 dev eth0 but is failing on the netmask |
| 19:27.02 | abrotman | lovely |
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| 19:27.07 | hatchetjack | abrotman: how's it up north? |
| 19:27.16 | epsilon | SkilZ: and my favorite with fan-connectors - cheap and it works: http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Potentiometer-Drehregler::542.html |
| 19:27.17 | abrotman | lovely? |
| 19:27.27 | HideMe | where up north? |
| 19:27.47 | hatchetjack | abrotman: sorry trying to think of the last nick you knew me by |
| 19:27.47 | abrotman | why does it matter? |
| 19:28.01 | hatchetjack | abrotman: bahadunn I reckon |
| 19:28.03 | HideMe | Who said it mattered? |
| 19:28.07 | abrotman | hatchetjack: why change |
| 19:28.16 | hatchetjack | abrotman: work nick |
| 19:28.23 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 19:28.25 | hatchetjack | didn't want to use bahadunn at work for some reason |
| 19:28.32 | hatchetjack | can't remember why |
| 19:29.17 | hatchetjack | I was trying to remember the debian freebsd channel |
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| 19:29.24 | _Dave123_ | I just installed mysql, i notice its not anymore asked what password I would like to use, etc |
| 19:29.27 | _Dave123_ | any ideas how come? |
| 19:29.36 | hatchetjack | thought it was ##debian-kbsd but that seems not the case anymore? |
| 19:29.52 | abrotman | hatchetjack: it'd be on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:29.58 | hatchetjack | ah that's right |
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| 19:30.04 | hatchetjack | I forgot about that |
| 19:30.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:30.11 | hatchetjack | :) |
| 19:30.17 | hatchetjack | alrighty then |
| 19:30.23 | hatchetjack | thanks and have a good day |
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| 19:32.13 | donttrustem | can anyone tell me what this means please Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). |
| 19:32.13 | donttrustem | Reconfiguring network interfaces.../etc/network/interfaces:2: misplaced option |
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| 19:32.46 | abrotman | there's a syntax error in your config file |
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| 19:33.07 | donttrustem | hmm! don't see where |
| 19:33.13 | donttrustem | can I pastebin |
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| 19:34.21 | donttrustem | abrotman: could you check please http://pastebin.com/QG1TLYCx |
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| 19:36.46 | abrotman | donttrustem: line 2 shuld be a comment |
| 19:36.54 | albech | so sad dspam is not in squeeze :( |
| 19:36.59 | donttrustem | thanks |
| 19:37.39 | donttrustem | abrotman: can't believe I missed it :S |
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| 19:38.42 | abrotman | i told oyu it was line 2 |
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| 19:39.11 | houms | can anyone tell me if mii-tool is deprecated? |
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| 19:39.36 | houms | just curious why mii-tool is shipped instead of ethtool be default? |
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| 19:41.06 | SkilZ | YESSSS!!!!! |
| 19:41.11 | SkilZ | I fixed it! |
| 19:41.19 | jelly-home | SkilZ: HOW?!?!??! |
| 19:41.28 | SkilZ | I unpluged cpufan2 from the motherboard |
| 19:41.36 | SkilZ | now it's not too lound and not too hot |
| 19:41.42 | albech | is it possible to install a package from lenny onto squeeze? |
| 19:41.43 | SkilZ | 43C |
| 19:41.48 | SkilZ | :) |
| 19:41.52 | SkilZ | Before, the fan was at 7100RPM!! |
| 19:41.56 | SkilZ | thats insane! |
| 19:42.12 | SkilZ | now its like 5100RPM |
| 19:42.59 | thewanderer1 | albech: it should be possible if the dependencies are fulfilled, but check backports first |
| 19:43.01 | SkilZ | stupid fan! |
| 19:43.43 | albech | thewanderer1, dspam is not in backports |
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| 19:44.42 | thewanderer1 | albech: ok so you can try installing a Lenny package (I've had success with faubackup, for example) or build it from source and update the deps if that fail |
| 19:44.44 | thewanderer1 | s |
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| 19:46.54 | HSorgYves | morning, does debian record dns queries? if yes, where? |
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| 19:49.47 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: "debian" doesn't. the name server you install may do. |
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| 19:51.19 | SkilZ | jelly-home: I told you it was 'around' 9000rpm |
| 19:51.27 | phw | I am trying to install Debian using a serial console; My bios shows up correctly, but in the installer the letters are all messed up (not the "drawing"-Characters, like |) |
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| 19:51.48 | HSorgYves | Bushmills: let me rephrase, does bind on Debian log dns queries? |
| 19:52.03 | jelly-home | SkilZ: at east it wasn't OVER 9000 |
| 19:52.04 | deliria | Hi. How can I, using apt tools, find out the name of the executable a package provides? |
| 19:52.06 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: bind can be set to do so |
| 19:52.19 | SkilZ | jelly-home: What would happen then? |
| 19:52.31 | HSorgYves | Bushmills: ok, so it does not by default, how to enable it? |
| 19:52.35 | jelly-home | Miracles. |
| 19:52.35 | phw | The console looks like this: http://imgur.com/nxdUN |
| 19:52.43 | SkilZ | lift off! |
| 19:52.47 | phw | pardon me - like this: http://i.imgur.com/nxdUN.png |
| 19:53.31 | SkilZ | phw: Woah! Thats nasty! |
| 19:53.33 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: set up a logging { ... } section in your config |
| 19:53.40 | SkilZ | You been playing with fonts? |
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| 19:53.55 | phw | SkilZ: Thats the installer |
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| 19:54.22 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: or check /var/log/daemon.log |
| 19:54.27 | HSorgYves | Bushmills: ok, great thx |
| 19:55.19 | fossala | OK I hope I'm being stupid because I have been doing this for about an hour. Why is this command not working in xsession but is as a stand alone command? xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock" -e "keysym Caps_Lock = Alt_L" |
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| 19:55.52 | fossala | I have also tried loading it through xmodmap config file and that didn't work. |
| 19:56.02 | fossala | And a shell script. |
| 19:56.14 | fossala | The shell script worked just not from xsession. |
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| 19:57.25 | Lars_G | Any ideas what stops x11vnc from working when launched remotely on squeeze? I try the logged in user or root, and I specify the display AND the auth token (/home/<user>/.Xauthority) and yet will get a "protocol not specified" error and can't connect to the running Xorg |
| 19:57.29 | HSorgYves | Bushmills: found what i was looking for... unfortunately that killed my solution attempt :-( |
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| 19:58.29 | mah454 | helllo |
| 19:58.34 | Cagbard | hey :) |
| 19:58.54 | mah454 | How can i upgrade only on package in debian ? (with apt) |
| 19:59.20 | jelly-home | mah454: aptitude install it |
| 19:59.36 | mah454 | apt-get update "Package name" not work ! : E: The update command takes no arguments |
| 20:00.06 | abrotman | mah454: aptitude intall packagename |
| 20:00.12 | Cagbard | with "update" you only refresh the sources. :) |
| 20:00.15 | mah454 | ok ... |
| 20:00.16 | HSorgYves | my DNS problem: I need to deliver a different ip for clients inside a network as for the world. Unfortunately I do not control the DNS which could do that... cname is only possible for a host... views are not possible because the internal nameserver uses a forward nameserver... anyone another idea? |
| 20:00.25 | jelly-home | mah454: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy yourpackagename |
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| 20:03.39 | mah454 | How can i install nautilus-elementary in Debian squeeze ? |
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| 20:12.42 | HSorgYves | thx Bushmills, taking the discussion to #dns |
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| 20:20.20 | AntiVigilante | does the mpm-itk (fork of mpm-prefork) use the <IfModule mpm_prefork_module> settings for MaxClients MinSpareServers etc |
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| 20:24.39 | semente | 21:46 <HSorgYves> morning, does debian record dns queries? if yes, where? |
| 20:24.41 | semente | ls |
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| 20:26.13 | warpzero | is there an easy way to get the latest chromium in squeeze like there is for iceweasel |
| 20:26.55 | cantido | warpzero: backport |
| 20:27.01 | cantido | warpzero: is there is one |
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| 20:27.38 | warpzero | dont see a backport version |
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| 20:28.11 | DE1 | hey, can someone tell me what happened to the package 'zip' in unstable, or what to use as an alternative? |
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| 20:28.37 | mjt | what happened to it? |
| 20:28.44 | mjt | ,versions zip |
| 20:28.46 | judd | Package zip on i386 -- lenny: 2.32-1; squeeze: 3.0-3; sid: 3.0-4; wheezy: 3.0-4 |
| 20:29.05 | gnarface | DE1: you tell us what happened to it. last we checked in on it it was doing just fine. what did you do to it? |
| 20:29.51 | DE1 | gnarface: ha nothing, i just get no installation candidate from my side when i run apt-get intall zip |
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| 20:30.39 | gnarface | DE1: well check your sources and update then try it again. maybe that repo was being updated last time you updated your cache. |
| 20:30.52 | DE1 | i was also using experimental so that might be it |
| 20:31.09 | DE1 | changed to sid and its good |
| 20:31.12 | gnarface | DE1: also, you probably already know this, but just in case you don't: use bzip2 instead of zip unless you need to share the archives with windows users. |
| 20:31.29 | warpzero | more like use xz |
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| 20:31.45 | DE1 | its for a windows user |
| 20:31.52 | gnarface | warpzero: then you can't even share the archives with mac users though |
| 20:32.06 | DE1 | gnarface: so i see its not in experimental, why is that/ |
| 20:32.36 | gnarface | DE1: no idea. just an oversight i suspect |
| 20:32.52 | DE1 | ok |
| 20:33.03 | warpzero | gnarface, osx doesn't have xz support? |
| 20:33.10 | DE1 | thx for the help |
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| 20:33.48 | gnarface | warpzero: don't think so. i don't have a new copy to check though unfortunately. i know it does ship with gz, bz2 and tar though. |
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| 20:34.54 | gnarface | warpzero: of course, i'm certain you could compile and install xz on it if it did not, but that is well beyond the ability of most mac users |
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| 20:35.27 | warpzero | lol |
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| 20:35.49 | warpzero | well i hardly ever compress anything for any other os besides gnus |
| 20:36.34 | warpzero | also cant winrar or 7z on windows open tar.* |
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| 20:37.24 | warpzero | so does anyone know of a repo of backported chromiums for squeeze |
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| 20:45.38 | dkr | maybe #chromium-support would know. or you could backport yourself |
| 20:46.10 | warpzero | i have been |
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| 20:46.10 | dkr | !tell warpzero about ssb |
| 20:46.10 | Lars_G | warpzero: They can, but it's still nice to send stuff in zip. Unless you're sending to OS X and need to preserve permissions |
| 20:46.10 | warpzero | i was hoping to save myself the effort |
| 20:46.11 | mac7 | Get this error message but in synaptic it is said that the module is installed....Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load module "libcanberra-gtk-module.so": libcanberra-gtk-module.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:46.13 | mac7 | Message: device: default.... can somone help? |
| 20:46.45 | warpzero | dk, this is what i am already doing... i know how to backport stuff |
| 20:46.49 | warpzero | dkr |
| 20:46.57 | warpzero | i was just hoping to save myself the effort |
| 20:47.07 | dkr | why are you repeating yourself? |
| 20:47.25 | warpzero | i don't know |
| 20:47.35 | dkr | smirks |
| 20:47.51 | jeeves_moss | how can I track down the source of a segmentation fault? |
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| 20:48.04 | warpzero | recompile with debugging symbols |
| 20:48.09 | warpzero | run under gdb |
| 20:48.12 | dkr | force a core dump, step through with debugger |
| 20:48.19 | dkr | or that |
| 20:48.53 | jeeves_moss | it's a precompilled pile of steaming c%#p form a thirdparty who refuses to address the issue |
| 20:48.55 | warpzero | i dont even remember how to turn on core dumps |
| 20:49.16 | warpzero | jeeves_moss, well... without debugging symbols its really tough |
| 20:49.37 | warpzero | this is why debian has all those -dbg packages |
| 20:49.40 | babilen | jeeves_moss: No chance in that case -- strace might give a clue, or valgrind but you would still need debugging symbols. |
| 20:50.20 | jeeves_moss | they call for "libltdl3_1.5.24" from their website, but I'm trying to maintain a total repo install. |
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| 20:51.32 | babilen | ,info libltdl7 |
| 20:51.34 | judd | Package libltdl7 (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: A system independent dlopen wrapper for GNU libtool. Version: 2.2.6b-2; Size: 287.9k; Installed: 376k; Homepage: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ |
| 20:51.44 | babilen | jeeves_moss: Related to ^^^ ? |
| 20:51.52 | jeeves_moss | I insalled the one from the repo, and it won't work. :-( |
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| 20:52.32 | babilen | jeeves_moss: But I guess you have to ask upstream about help. How does the repo one (what are we actually talking about??) fail? |
| 20:53.29 | warpzero | why does one need a dlopen wrapper |
| 20:53.51 | babilen | *shrug* |
| 20:54.04 | cantido | warpzero: to wrap dlopens ;) |
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| 20:54.24 | warpzero | cantido, oh now it all makes sense |
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| 20:55.46 | warpzero | wow |
| 20:55.49 | nvz | well I'm trying to backport the latest version of hedgewars from sid to squeeze, and its got an unsatisfied build dependency for a package thats not in debian libghc-utf8-string-dev |
| 20:55.54 | nvz | wth is that about? heh |
| 20:56.07 | warpzero | GLASGOW HASKELL COMPILER |
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| 20:56.25 | nvz | haskell? wth |
| 20:56.47 | ioriveur | Haskell? |
| 20:56.51 | jeeves_moss | one sec. on the phone with the devs |
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| 20:57.15 | nvz | this game is strange.. you mean to tell me it has both haskell and pascal requirements? |
| 20:57.21 | nvz | what the hell is this world coming to.. |
| 20:57.39 | warpzero | nvz, modularity? |
| 20:57.44 | babilen | ,versions libghc-utf8-string-dev |
| 20:57.44 | judd | Package libghc-utf8-string-dev on i386 -- sid: 0.3.6-5+b2; wheezy: 0.3.6-5+b2 |
| 20:57.53 | nvz | pain in my ass is what it is.. |
| 20:58.04 | amoe | wow, pascal, old school |
| 20:58.04 | babilen | nvz: You have to backport the dependencies as well. |
| 20:58.08 | nvz | babilen: pdo and manually searching the pool dir on a mirror turned up nothing |
| 20:58.19 | nvz | babilen: I couldnt even find the package at all |
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| 20:58.47 | nvz | I was thinking if its not even in squeeze its possible if there was a sid package it'd install clean since its just a lib -dev |
| 20:58.57 | nvz | no need to backport if I could find it.. heh |
| 20:58.57 | babilen | nvz: Use "rmadison PKG" (from devscripts) or "/msg judd versions PKG" or search all branches on pdo |
| 20:59.20 | warpzero | wth is a rmadison |
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| 20:59.48 | amoe | wiki article says it's written in like 5 languages |
| 20:59.54 | babilen | warpzero: "man rmadison" -- http://qa.debian.org/madison.php |
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| 21:02.16 | Lars_G | amoe: Not really. FP and Lazarus make it still relevant and useful |
| 21:02.23 | Lars_G | amoe: And ada takes it beyound |
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| 21:03.20 | nvz | babilen: I couldnt even find the package at allrhaps I can force this thing to use the ghc6 in squeeze |
| 21:03.27 | nvz | hrm |
| 21:03.41 | nvz | had a previous line in there by accident.. heh |
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| 21:05.19 | babilen | nvz: Backporting the complete haskell platform might be ... interesting |
| 21:05.52 | babilen | nvz: But Haskell is fun :) |
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| 21:06.36 | amoe | Lars_G: sure, I know nothing about modern pascal... only used it once, in school |
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| 21:10.31 | john3voltas | greetings |
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| 21:13.22 | lotus-blade | is squeeze version 6.0? |
| 21:13.27 | john3voltas | i have successfully set up my network settings using my router as a dhcp server. but somehow names are not getting resolved. i guess squeeze is not setting my router as a dns server. i've manually set my router as the dns server and now it resolves names. can someone tell me how i set it up in order to get dns servers from the dhcp server? |
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| 21:14.28 | babilen | lotus-blade: Yes. Or rather 6.0.2 which is the current point release. |
| 21:14.43 | lotus-blade | sorry stupid me, answered my own question |
| 21:15.08 | babilen | john3voltas: How do you configure your network? |
| 21:15.26 | ranix | babilen: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:15.31 | ranix | and then ifdown.ifup |
| 21:15.38 | john3voltas | babilen: well, i didn't. it got automaticalyy set up. |
| 21:15.49 | ranix | babilen: I thought you knew how to do that |
| 21:15.58 | john3voltas | babilen: i guess it's wicd working in the back... |
| 21:16.31 | babilen | john3voltas: Don't guess - know! Do you use wicd? What kind of networks do you have to connect to? |
| 21:17.53 | john3voltas | babilen: i sure would like to know. unfortunately i'm still very new to linux. i can see wicd starting on the console. so that's why i said maybe it's wicd running in the back getting ip settings from the dhcp server. |
| 21:18.15 | karlpinc | john3voltas: What dhcp server are you using on your router? For that matter, is your router running debian? If not then you're offtopic here because you need to configure the router to deliver the dhs server(s) to the dhcp clients. |
| 21:18.23 | john3voltas | babilen: forgot to mention. i've got my wlan0 to connect to my wifi router. |
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| 21:18.37 | babilen | john3voltas: Did you install wicd? Could you paste the content of /etc/network/interfaces and the output of "dpkg -l '*wicd*'" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 21:19.03 | karlpinc | !tell john3voltas about paste |
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| 21:19.16 | john3voltas | babilen: in order to do that, i will have to reboot into squeeze |
| 21:19.26 | john3voltas | brb then |
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| 21:19.44 | babilen | john3voltas: If you use wicd: It allows you to configure dns server under preferences (global and per-connection) -- I would also like to point out that wicd, although being a wonderful program, is not developed anymore and that you probably have to switch to network-manager in the future. |
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| 21:20.19 | iluminator101 | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/465033/ |
| 21:20.25 | babilen | john3voltas: Other methods to handle the DNS settings apply if you don't use wicd which is why I asked. |
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| 21:21.30 | john3voltas | babilen: well, i know i can set a dns server on wicd. but that will be me doing it manually. i'd like wicd to get dns servers from any dhcp server it connects to ;) |
| 21:22.37 | babilen | john3voltas: It should if your DHCP server provides that information (and /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf still has domain-name-servers (it should)) |
| 21:22.58 | iluminator101 | i am assuming this is because port is not open http://paste.pocoo.org/show/465033/ |
| 21:23.25 | john3voltas | ok, let me boot into squeeze again and i'll come back here to tell you that. |
| 21:23.26 | john3voltas | brb |
| 21:23.47 | babilen | john3voltas: Are you sure that the DHCP is really providing that information? What is running the DHCP server? A lot of routers/ISP use suboptimal DNS and it might make sense to run your own locally or use free ones. (such as 8.8.8.8 (google) or 4.2.2.4 (hurricane electric)) |
| 21:23.57 | babilen | grr |
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| 21:25.22 | iluminator101 | also i been running sid on my testing machine for a month and i have no problems what so ever i am going put it into my productions machines; is this to be adviced |
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| 21:26.00 | iluminator101 | these are desktops not servers |
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| 21:27.29 | xavi123 | i'm running bind and i want to use 127.0.0.1 in /et/resolv.conf forever how do i do that ? |
| 21:27.51 | xavi123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.57 | john3voltas | babilen, i've just noticed i don't have the conf file you said. all i have in /etc/dhcp is resolv.conf |
| 21:28.13 | Kromgol | iluminator101: Take Wheezy over sid imo |
| 21:28.31 | babilen | john3voltas: Don't worry about it |
| 21:28.44 | john3voltas | ok :) |
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| 21:28.54 | babilen | iluminator101: Do not use testing/unstable on production machines! |
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| 21:29.38 | iluminator101 | Kromgol, cool i will stick with wheezy i rather not take any chances |
| 21:30.01 | Kromgol | iluminator101: If you are aware of the "risks", then go with it. I always prefer testing over stable |
| 21:30.05 | babilen | john3voltas: So, you are not being assigned a DNS server when you use DHCP? Or is the one you are being assigned (check /etc/resolv.conf) not working? |
| 21:30.08 | Kromgol | But then again, i'm used to Arch Linux. |
| 21:30.36 | rudi_s | iluminator101: wheezy _is_ testing. Use squeeze on production machines if possible. |
| 21:30.54 | babilen | Kromgol: Not on production machines -- I would shoot any administrator who is running machines people have to work on with testing/sid. |
| 21:31.11 | xavi123 | anyone know how to keep /etc/resolv.conf from being overwritten ? |
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| 21:31.21 | Kromgol | babilen: Are you talking about servers now? |
| 21:31.22 | babilen | Kromgol: There is also no/near-to-none security support for testing. |
| 21:31.32 | EvilGenius | How do i change language in Shell from German to Eng ? |
| 21:31.34 | john3voltas | well, i don't which. i don't know if resolv.conf already had these servers before, but i had to manually assing a dns server in wicd panel in order for it to work |
| 21:31.35 | babilen | xavi123: Please tell us more about your network configuration. |
| 21:31.42 | Kromgol | babilen: I was not talking about servers. |
| 21:31.50 | EvilGenius | Use D squeeze |
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| 21:31.53 | john3voltas | babilen, well, i don't which. i don't know if resolv.conf already had these servers before, but i had to manually assing a dns server in wicd panel in order for it to work |
| 21:31.53 | Kromgol | If it's a server, yes, i do prefer stable over testing. |
| 21:31.55 | xavi123 | babilen: i'm running bind and i want resolv.conf to keep 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:32.03 | babilen | EvilGenius: Set your locales -- Or reconfigure the system default (dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
| 21:32.18 | babilen | xavi123: How are you configuring your interfaces? |
| 21:32.28 | xavi123 | babilen: dhcpcd |
| 21:32.49 | john3voltas | babilen, actually the servers in resolv.conf are the right ones, exactly the same that i've manually set up in wicd panel |
| 21:33.06 | EvilGenius | Babilen, I uncheck DE languages and check EN_US? or leave DE and check ENUS too |
| 21:33.11 | babilen | Kromgol: I was also not talking about servers -- But if you administrate any amount of boxes people are supposed to work on in a hostile environment there is no other choice than stable. |
| 21:33.36 | babilen | EvilGenius: You can have as many locales installed as you want. It will ask you about the default later on. |
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| 21:34.12 | EvilGenius | I got 3 options EN_US/ EN_US.ISO / EN_US.UTF8 |
| 21:34.17 | babilen | john3voltas: Well, I would say that it is configured properly now then. No idea what your DHCP server is doing. |
| 21:34.29 | babilen | EvilGenius: I strongly recommend using utf8 locales :) |
| 21:34.34 | Kromgol | babilen: Well, ofc not, but i do not see any danger in running Wheezy on a normal desktop with your average power user. Alone. In your home. |
| 21:34.41 | Kromgol | If the user is aware of the risks. |
| 21:34.48 | babilen | EvilGenius: And naturally en_GB not en_US ! |
| 21:35.16 | EvilGenius | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 21:35.42 | EvilGenius | sorry got kicked due to the paste. |
| 21:35.49 | xavi123 | hmmm can't believe how hard it is to do this on debian :/ on slackware it was just KEEPRESOLV="yes" |
| 21:35.58 | EvilGenius | babilen, http://paste2.org/p/1611518 |
| 21:36.36 | john3voltas | babilen, it's not working as expected. the same pc with the same router work fine in windoze xp, fedora and puppy linux. just doesn't work as expected in debian. i must surely be missing some configuration. |
| 21:37.07 | babilen | Kromgol: We are talking about production machines -- But I guess that iluminator101 is not actually a system administrator who has to administrate machines for other people in a company. We should make sure which environment people are working in before giving advice. (You don't want to cause havoc in a large company, do you?) :) |
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| 21:38.00 | Kromgol | babilen: Haha, i guess so :P But someone that is even thinking of using unstable must not be a system administrator that has responsibility for plenty of machines :P |
| 21:39.21 | babilen | Kromgol: Lets hope so -- Still this channel shouldn't recommend it. Don't worry, just wanted to point it out ... no harm done. :) |
| 21:39.22 | cantido | babilen: depends if you like your job or not |
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| 21:39.48 | Kromgol | babilen: Nah, i know. Debian users are kinda paranoid when it comes to mentioning testing/unstable :P |
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| 21:40.04 | babilen | john3voltas: Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l '*dhcp*'" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 21:40.28 | cantido | Kromgol: I wouldnt mind using testing on desktop machines, even if it was a big company |
| 21:40.45 | cantido | Kromgol: I'd rather have some times broken stuff that really old shit no one can use.. |
| 21:40.48 | babilen | Kromgol: This has *nothing* to do with being paranoid - this has something to do with security support and providing a stable platform. (Stable in the Debian sense, which means "not changing") |
| 21:40.58 | cantido | for a web server.. stuff doesnt change that often so stable is fine |
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| 21:41.11 | cantido | babilen: testing has security support ; |
| 21:41.19 | babilen | cantido: haha |
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| 21:41.49 | cantido | and most of the stuff that is insecure in stable is usually gone in the versions in testing |
| 21:41.58 | EvilGenius | babilen, If i remove DE from the list it would give error http://paste2.org/p/1611518 selecting EN_US / GB works but it keeps gviing that error |
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| 21:42.33 | john3voltas | babilen, as you requested http://pastebin.com/BXxx83ff |
| 21:42.43 | babilen | cantido: Testing does not receive full security support. And the maintainers fix security related problems in Debian stable. |
| 21:42.47 | babilen | john3voltas: thanks |
| 21:42.53 | john3voltas | :) |
| 21:43.08 | cantido | babilen: is someone paying them to do that? |
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| 21:43.13 | cantido | babilen: do you have a contract? |
| 21:43.55 | babilen | cantido: And right now there is no security support for wheezy -- http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ -- security support is provided by new versions that migrate from sid. |
| 21:44.02 | babilen | cantido: Do what? |
| 21:44.03 | Kromgol | babilen: Maybe. Well.. People who use Debian are security freaks then? :D:D:D Jokes aside, i do not put as big emphasis on stability on my desktop machines. I'm even running Arch on my server. |
| 21:44.33 | cantido | babilen: stable is "security supported" but not in the way that big corps care about |
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| 21:44.40 | babilen | Kromgol: Which is surely not hosting anything big - But I guess we all got the point now :) |
| 21:44.46 | cantido | babilen: I.e. you dont have SLAs with debian |
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| 21:45.05 | babilen | cantido: You can get support contracts for Debian as well. |
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| 21:45.27 | cantido | surely not from "Debian" |
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| 21:45.35 | Kromgol | babilen: Indeed :) |
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| 21:45.55 | babilen | gets back to support ... |
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| 21:46.59 | babilen | john3voltas: Looks fine -- Hard to say what is going on. But as far as I understand you: Now that you configured wicd to use the correct DNS it is working properly? |
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| 21:49.48 | lmarcetic | how come theunarchiver isn't in the repos? For those who don't know it's an Objective-C free software project that solved RARv3 decompression - a FSF's high priority task. |
| 21:50.14 | john3voltas | babilen, yes. setting the dns server manually under wicd's applet works fine. but when i disconnect from my home lan and connect to my work's lan i will have to set the dns again. and if i go to an hotel i will have to set it up again. see the pattern? ;) |
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| 21:51.46 | babilen | john3voltas: yes - What happens if you don't set the DNS? Which one is used then? |
| 21:52.24 | bernhard2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.25 | john3voltas | babilen, actually i don't know. how do i know? where can i see which dns server is setup? ifconfig? |
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| 21:52.46 | babilen | john3voltas: "cat /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 21:53.00 | dondelelcaro | lmarcetic: presumably because no one has packaged it yet |
| 21:53.07 | dondelelcaro | lmarcetic: feel free to volunteer |
| 21:53.23 | babilen | john3voltas: And as I said: You might actually want to consider to use network-manager in lieu of wicd as the development for wicd (sadly) stopped. |
| 21:53.26 | john3voltas | babilen, oh same file? ok let me check. i might loose connection but i'll come back to let you know. |
| 21:53.48 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, I thought people would jump right on it. It's been months now o.O. Even if i wanted to, I'm not a packager, I wouldn't know where to start. |
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| 21:53.53 | babilen | john3voltas: Sure, but I am about to take a break now ... But you can still let me know. |
| 21:54.13 | john3voltas | babilen, sad to know wicd has stalled. will network-manager work without gnome/kde? |
| 21:54.28 | speedrunnerG55 | Heeellpppp |
| 21:54.28 | speedrunnerG55 | Opps wrong channel |
| 21:54.50 | liiwi | that's a keeper quote :) |
| 21:54.56 | babilen | john3voltas: It should. And yes, it is sad :-/ |
| 21:54.58 | john3voltas | babilen, somehow network-manager seems to be the name of one of those tools that come with a window manager |
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| 21:55.19 | craigevil | crap dev stopped on wicd? *sniff* oh well it works for now, no need to mess with nm until wicd gets pulled from sid |
| 21:55.27 | john3voltas | ok. brb then. |
| 21:55.27 | babilen | john3voltas: Do you have it installed as well? (dpkg -l '*network-manager*') |
| 21:55.36 | john3voltas | don't know |
| 21:55.38 | zykotick9 | Does anyone know what the implications of adding "vmalloc=256MB" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT is? It corrects an issue with Nvidia Proprietary and a Hauppauge TV card - I'm just wondering what it actually does? |
| 21:55.41 | john3voltas | let ne see |
| 21:55.48 | babilen | craigevil: yeah, sadly (check #wicd's /topic) |
| 21:56.11 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, I guess this just proves that Ubuntu's practice of leniency towards non-free packages is bad for the FS community. |
| 21:56.29 | dondelelcaro | lmarcetic: what does ubuntu have to do with anything? |
| 21:56.34 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, but no, there must be something else. Debian is big. |
| 21:56.50 | john3voltas | babilen, http://pastebin.com/sMig8uKh |
| 21:56.55 | babilen | lmarcetic: Please file a RFP (or if that has already been done comment on it/give me the link) |
| 21:57.00 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, I bet there's some problem with it or smth |
| 21:57.00 | craigevil | john3voltas, check out network-manager-gnome for gnome or network-manager-kde for kde |
| 21:57.10 | dondelelcaro | lmarcetic: or it could also be that no one who does packaging bothers to compress things with non-free archivers like RAR 3.0 |
| 21:57.17 | babilen | john3voltas: alright -- carry on .. And see you later. |
| 21:57.31 | john3voltas | craigevil, thanks but i don't have any of those. i'm on jwm...poor man's pc... |
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| 21:57.39 | babilen | lmarcetic: xz ftw :) |
| 21:57.39 | john3voltas | thanks babilen |
| 21:57.46 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, ignoramuses still pkg in .rar parts. |
| 21:57.58 | dondelelcaro | lmarcetic: sure, but no one who is active in FOSS does |
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| 21:58.14 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, that doesn't mean they don't want the content |
| 21:58.32 | babilen | hasn't touched .rar files in years |
| 21:58.33 | craigevil | lol im running kde4 on a old thinkpad R40, darn thing is almost 10 yrs old |
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| 21:58.46 | lmarcetic | babilen, is this it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=619602 ? |
| 21:59.14 | babilen | lmarcetic: yes, it is even an ITP which means that somebody is working on it. Read it! |
| 21:59.21 | babilen | !tell lmarcetic -about itp |
| 21:59.24 | lmarcetic | babilen, lucky you |
| 21:59.44 | dondelelcaro | lmarcetic: so yeah, that has more reasons about it; sounds like something with objective c |
| 22:00.09 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, hmm. i thought we have free Obj. C compilers |
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| 22:00.23 | Jeff91 | anyone know a good guide for configuring an xorg.conf for an intel chipset? Been awhile since I've done it by hand |
| 22:00.41 | babilen | Jeff91: Should work out of the box |
| 22:00.53 | babilen | !tell Jeff91 -about empty xorg.conf |
| 22:00.58 | babilen | !tell Jeff91 -about xorg.conf.d |
| 22:01.01 | Jeff91 | babilen I need an xorg.conf |
| 22:01.07 | Jeff91 | for an external display adapter |
| 22:01.14 | Jeff91 | and if I add a section for that, I also need one for the internal card |
| 22:01.35 | lmarcetic | dondelelcaro, babilen "Once the new Objective-C is available on all platforms in unstable, we can upload theunarchiver there." - I guess it needs a new version but it isn't available for all proc. architectures. I wonder if others (x86 distros) package it |
| 22:01.39 | babilen | Jeff91: Ok, put it in a specific file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 22:01.42 | Jeff91 | If you can help with my question please do :) |
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| 22:02.10 | babilen | lmarcetic: They probably don't care about problems on, say, powerpc |
| 22:02.37 | lmarcetic | babilen, exactly |
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| 22:03.46 | lmarcetic | babilen, but it seems not even ubuntu has it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/775617 (I smiled when I saw Trisquell does) |
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| 22:07.49 | babilen | Jeff91: What do you mean by "external display adaptor" ? Do you have a second external graphic card? (never heard of those) |
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| 22:08.37 | Jeff91 | babilen yes |
| 22:08.42 | Jeff91 | Its a display link adpater |
| 22:08.44 | white_magic | anyone know how i can reset the gnome keyring? |
| 22:09.06 | Jeff91 | half modeling what I am doing off of this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1493143 - but he has an nvidia so his drivers start his xorg section for him |
| 22:09.20 | Jeff91 | white_magic there is a file in ~/.gnome2 that you can remove |
| 22:09.30 | babilen | Jeff91: I have no experience with those whatsoever -- All I am suggesting is to put whatever specific configuration is needed into a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ so that Xorg can autoconfigure the rest. |
| 22:09.32 | Jeff91 | hit google for the exact name if you can't find it by guessing :) |
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| 22:09.49 | Jeff91 | ahh good to know babilen |
| 22:09.55 | Jeff91 | rebooting now to give that a go thanks |
| 22:10.01 | white_magic | hmm i'll try that |
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| 22:10.35 | white_magic | well there is 'login.keyring' & 'user.keystore' |
| 22:10.40 | white_magic | i wonder which one is the pertinent one |
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| 22:11.55 | babilen | white_magic: *move* them somewhere else and test it? |
| 22:12.23 | white_magic | le sigh.. ok.. just afraid of consequences of messing with a password managing app |
| 22:12.29 | babilen | white_magic: You might also want to ask in a more gnome specific channel. There are plenty on irc.gnome.org or you can try #gnome here |
| 22:12.42 | white_magic | woah didn't know gnome had their own server |
| 22:12.50 | babilen | white_magic: That is why I suggest to move them and not to remove them. |
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| 22:14.12 | white_magic | brb.. |
| 22:14.25 | Jeff91 | babilen I have an Xsession.d and an Xreset.d would one of those directories work for dropping part of an xorg.conf into or do I need to create xorg.conf.d? |
| 22:14.49 | babilen | Jeff91: yes, create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (as mentioned in the factoid dpkg sent you) |
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| 22:15.20 | babilen | Jeff91: In case you missed those run "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d" in your IRC client |
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| 22:16.23 | joko | Hello, is there any problem with GnuTLS in Debian Squeeze? I'm trying to setup an FTPES server and I have trouble connecting |
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| 22:26.05 | Jeff91 | so babilen dropping the configuration settings for the displaylink into xorg.conf.d just gives me a blank screen on startup |
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| 22:26.28 | Bogus8 | I have a system down and could use some help. Basically it locked up and doesn't want to boot. It stops during the boot process at seemingly various times and just hangs. |
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| 22:26.56 | n0sq | is it safe to install the 64 bit version yet? or are there still problems with running 32 bit apps on a 64 bit OS? |
| 22:27.13 | Kromgol | It is safe. |
| 22:27.20 | Kromgol | 64-bit has been safe for like |
| 22:27.20 | Kromgol | years |
| 22:27.21 | Benkinooby | Bogus8, do you have a live cd or any other OS on it to see if this is an hardware or an software error? |
| 22:27.40 | babilen | Jeff91: What did you drop in there? But please note once again that I have no idea how to configure a displaylink-magajig |
| 22:27.52 | Bogus8 | Benkinooby: I'm booted into it right now with an ubuntu live desktop... setup ssh and I'm in it now. |
| 22:28.22 | babilen | n0sq: Works fine here -- Any particular applications you think about? Most are available as native 64bit anyway. |
| 22:28.43 | Jeff91 | that makes two of us. I created a file there called "20-displaylink.conf" and dropped this in - http://pastebin.com/YH5PA0y5 |
| 22:28.51 | Benkinooby | Bogus8, so live systems works w/o flaws? |
| 22:29.32 | Bogus8 | Benkinooby: well I'm at the desktop and can apt-get openssh-server... Haven't done much else. I did try to boot off my USB stick version of the same cd and it flips out. |
| 22:29.41 | Bogus8 | but that happens on some systems. |
| 22:30.13 | Jeff91 | babilen ^ |
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| 22:31.49 | babilen | Jeff91: Why all the /usr/local paths in the Files section? Could you also paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 22:31.50 | Benkinooby | Bogus8, any hints in the /var/log/ files? |
| 22:32.34 | Bogus8 | Benkinooby: It's been a while since I tried disecting logs but most seem to stop on this line " kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.24-24-server" |
| 22:32.48 | Jeff91 | oo maybe that is it |
| 22:32.54 | babilen | Jeff91: BTW -- could you run the xserver again *without* that file and paste the output of "xrandr" ? |
| 22:32.55 | Jeff91 | I copied the xorg setup from a HOWTO post |
| 22:33.13 | babilen | Jeff91: Please do not turn off your mind when you follow tutorials :) |
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| 22:33.26 | Jeff91 | I try not too |
| 22:33.31 | Jeff91 | really just want to make this bugger work |
| 22:33.36 | Jeff91 | I am in X without that file loaded right now |
| 22:33.56 | babilen | Jeff91: yeah, sure ... it is just that we see lots of pain here due to people mindlessly following various tutorials |
| 22:34.13 | babilen | Jeff91: Ok, run "xrandr" and show me the output on http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 22:34.54 | Jeff91 | babilen - http://paste.debian.net/127532/ |
| 22:35.05 | Jeff91 | thats the xrandr. What else did you wish to see? |
| 22:35.16 | Benkinooby | Bogus8, hm, i never came across that message and have no experience with it ... i suggest you do some googling on it and see if you get a usefull hint... if not, report back |
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| 22:35.23 | babilen | Jeff91: And please forgive me that I don't read everything I can find about the displaylink |
| 22:35.48 | Jeff91 | No worries |
| 22:35.53 | Jeff91 | I know the display link works |
| 22:35.58 | Jeff91 | I got a test to run to the external screen |
| 22:36.05 | Jeff91 | I just need xorg configured to use it now |
| 22:36.12 | n0sq | babilen: yes. amsn |
| 22:36.15 | babilen | Jeff91: Hmm, no idea -- I can work with you on that tomorrow, but I am not going to try to understand that now. |
| 22:36.25 | Jeff91 | kk |
| 22:36.31 | Jeff91 | thanks for the help thus far |
| 22:36.35 | anigma | when it says to repair filesystems manually with "fsck", should I do "fsck -p /dev/foo", even though the system does NOT recommend me doing so? What other options are there? |
| 22:36.51 | alex7 | so I'm trying to tar up a folder using tar cvfj archive.tar.bz2 dirname, and at the end tar exits with error archive.tar.bz2: No such file or directory |
| 22:37.08 | alex7 | then I look around and it created an archive named just "j" |
| 22:37.15 | babilen | Jeff91: I wish you good luck though! Hope you get it running. I would also suggest to ask in #xorg and/or write an email to the debian-user mailing list. |
| 22:37.19 | alex7 | maybe the j option didn't work? |
| 22:37.25 | Jeff91 | kk |
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| 22:39.20 | Bogus8 | Benkinooby: oddly enough I found a post of my own from some time ago that has a log with the same line in it. |
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| 22:39.55 | Bogus8 | Benkinooby: How can I disable mdadm from trying to auto mount my raid5? |
| 22:40.17 | babilen | alex7: the f has to be at the end (it accepts an argument (the filename)) |
| 22:40.56 | Benkinooby | Bogus8, that beyond my experience... no idea. sorry :( |
| 22:41.30 | alex7 | babilen thanks I'll give that a shot |
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| 22:48.19 | speedrunnerG55 | Help! |
| 22:49.15 | speedrunnerG55 | I imported all my media from my iphone and acsidently cheked the option to delete everything from it |
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| 22:49.27 | speedrunnerG55 | How can i undo that? |
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| 22:50.23 | Kromgol | You can't. |
| 22:50.30 | speedrunnerG55 | Why |
| 22:50.34 | speedrunnerG55 | _:( |
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| 22:50.38 | Kromgol | Because |
| 22:50.42 | babilen | speedrunnerG55: Copy the data back? |
| 22:50.45 | Kromgol | Ask Apple |
| 22:51.01 | speedrunnerG55 | All the files i have have wierd names |
| 22:51.13 | zykotick9 | anigma, it's not a good idea to fsck a mounted filesystem. I typically use a LiveCD (LiveUSB in my case) for such situations. Good luck! |
| 22:51.19 | speedrunnerG55 | And when i sync it bqck the reguular titles dont work |
| 22:51.25 | PerfDave | speedrunnerG55: Why are you asking on #debian about an iPhone? |
| 22:51.32 | babilen | speedrunnerG55: Try #iphone -- That is really not a Debian issue |
| 22:51.42 | speedrunnerG55 | Because i did it in linux mint |
| 22:51.52 | speedrunnerG55 | Its debian baced |
| 22:51.54 | PerfDave | OK, Linux Mint isn't Debian, iPhone isn't Debian. |
| 22:51.55 | PerfDave | !mint |
| 22:51.56 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 22:51.58 | babilen | speedrunnerG55: mint is also not Debian and not on-topic here |
| 22:52.14 | anigma | zykotick9: I did of course umount the filesystem before I did the fsck. |
| 22:52.39 | streuner_ | PerfDave: LTNS |
| 22:52.42 | zykotick9 | anigma, then why did you get the "not recommened" message? |
| 22:52.43 | speedrunnerG55 | No one helped me in there |
| 22:53.16 | babilen | speedrunnerG55: Not our problem. Please go to #iphone or the mint channels. |
| 22:54.07 | zykotick9 | anigma, there is some way to create a file on the filesystem that will force a check on reboot - sorry off the top of my head I don't remember what the filename has to be called. |
| 22:54.17 | goncalo | Hi! I am a n00b and I want to configure my wireless in debian, can anyone give me good references in where to start? Perhaps a link with a step by step guide or something. |
| 22:54.50 | streuner_ | goncalo: wiki.debian.org and search for HOWtoUseWireless |
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| 22:54.58 | babilen | goncalo: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 22:55.10 | streuner_ | or that :-) |
| 22:55.25 | babilen | goncalo: What is working or not working? What is your wireless device? (output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network") |
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| 22:55.43 | babilen | goncalo: And welcome to Debian :) |
| 22:55.47 | streuner_ | babilen: do you care about that users use there own brain vs. spoonfeeding? :-) |
| 22:56.14 | babilen | streuner_: Actually I do -- but it took me the same amount of time so I opted for the link :) |
| 22:56.49 | goncalo | <babilen> it's 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LF Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10bf] (rev 03) |
| 22:56.49 | goncalo | 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4235] |
| 22:57.42 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 808610bf |
| 22:57.59 | streuner_ | judd, pciid 8086:10bf |
| 22:58.02 | judd | [8086:10bf] is '82567LF Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'e1000e' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10bf |
| 22:58.04 | babilen | goncalo: Ok, you need to install firmware for those which you can find in the firmware-iwlwifi package. Do you have a network connection right now? |
| 22:58.14 | gnarface | oh neat |
| 22:58.40 | babilen | gnarface: Just realised how wonderful /msg judd pciid is? |
| 22:58.44 | goncalo | <babilen> yes I have wired connection at the moment |
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| 22:59.10 | babilen | goncalo: Ok, please install the firmware-iwlwifi package with "apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" (as root) |
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| 23:00.09 | babilen | goncalo: Ah, if you could just follow http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 23:00.38 | gnarface | babilen: heh, yea now i don't have to download the kernel source to figure out which sata drive to load for this new harddrive :) |
| 23:00.38 | goncalo | <babilen> thanks mate |
| 23:00.52 | gnarface | babilen: sata *driver |
| 23:00.55 | babilen | gnarface: \o/ |
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| 23:02.23 | babilen | goncalo: Let us know if you run into problems -- But that is a very nice adaptor and you shouldn't have any problems. Just install the firmware and reload the module (modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn) and you should be ready to go. I would suggest to install network-manager(-gnome) if you want to access more than one wireless network. Is that the case? |
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| 23:04.15 | streuner_ | babilen: if someone care about a spoonfeeding award, you would prolly be the winner :-) |
| 23:04.28 | goncalo | <babilen>I have already got the network-manager, I have been trying to configure everything by my self, so I got somethings done, thanks a lot! |
| 23:05.07 | babilen | !congratulate goncalo |
| 23:05.07 | dpkg | Woohoo goncalo, you did it! |
| 23:05.21 | overchan | can i install on my windows xp and debian system HDD another new linux sys? |
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| 23:06.11 | babilen | overchan: Try to ask that question again -- I am not sure if I understand it correctly. |
| 23:06.18 | overchan | :D ok |
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| 23:07.10 | overchan | so i have on my notebook Windows XP and Debian installed with GRub. Can i Install a 3rd Linux OS? |
| 23:07.33 | babilen | overchan: sure |
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| 23:07.49 | streuner_ | why, you have too much crap on it already |
| 23:07.50 | overchan | babilen how? is it like a normal install? |
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| 23:07.58 | babilen | overchan: You might want to consider using virtual machines though |
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| 23:08.29 | babilen | overchan: More or less -- The only problematic aspect is that both linuxes might want to manage the boot loaded. |
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| 23:08.58 | overchan | babilen: so, how big is the chance that it crash? :D |
| 23:09.25 | babilen | overchan: 1/23 |
| 23:09.50 | streuner_ | overchan: that makes no sense |
| 23:09.58 | babilen | overchan: Hang on -- there probably is some wonderful information out there on the internet. |
| 23:10.00 | anigma | zykotick9: the message specifically said: "/dev/sda9: UNEXPECTED ICONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. (i.e., without -a or -p options) |
| 23:10.22 | anigma | zykotick9: I just ran it with -p anyways. |
| 23:10.46 | zykotick9 | anigma, well, i hope it all worked out... |
| 23:10.48 | streuner_ | What kind of linux distro should be very better in order to solve what kind of problems... |
| 23:10.52 | overchan | babilen: i googled but i didnt found anything beacuse it makes no sense? ^^ |
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| 23:11.42 | streuner_ | overchan: Debian is enough, you dont need any other distro |
| 23:12.04 | liiwi | and there's no need to state that |
| 23:12.21 | overchan | streuner_: im sure you say that on the #debian ^^ |
| 23:12.31 | overchan | must* |
| 23:12.46 | streuner_ | overchan: no, just a basic statement |
| 23:13.16 | streuner_ | overchan: the question is still, why do you need different distros on your laptop... |
| 23:13.34 | overchan | streuner_: but mybe when you have more systems, every one is cleaner |
| 23:13.53 | liiwi | why should anyone limit the amount of distros I have on mine? |
| 23:14.04 | streuner_ | overchan: you should listen to babilen then, if you just test different distros |
| 23:14.25 | streuner_ | liiwi: it makes no sense |
| 23:14.39 | overchan | streuner_: one for working another for anonymization, no testing |
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| 23:14.55 | liiwi | streuner_: hell, I wanted to install RH clustring thingy the other day. |
| 23:15.37 | babilen | liiwi: shouldn't happen -- there is still the problem that each distro will probably take over the MBR whenever a new kernel/grub version is installed. *one* ugly hack would be to have Ubuntu install grub to a partition and use Debian to manage the MBR -- But I find that particularly ugly and am sure that a better solution exist. |
| 23:15.58 | babilen | All that being said: I would just install a stable host (e.g. Debian) and run the rest in virtual machines. |
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| 23:16.20 | babilen | Otherwise you end up with a gazillion swap partitions and all that ... |
| 23:16.52 | zykotick9 | swap partition using LABEL FTW ;) |
| 23:16.53 | liiwi | frankly, that's rather naive apparoarch. |
| 23:17.15 | overchan | mhh maybe live discs do the work to :D |
| 23:17.22 | babilen | zykotick9: Still having 5 swap partitions is a bit ridiculous |
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| 23:17.47 | zykotick9 | babilen, i'm not suggesting more then 1 |
| 23:17.50 | liiwi | no need to reuse them |
| 23:18.07 | babilen | zykotick9: No hibernation then |
| 23:18.32 | gnude | hello |
| 23:18.45 | babilen | liiwi: What is a naïve approach? |
| 23:19.00 | zykotick9 | babilen, ? why not - create ONE swap partition - and use it for multiple installs. I share a swap between a squeeze, squeeze (non-free) and a sid install. |
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| 23:19.56 | babilen | zykotick9: You hibernate in Debian, boot Ubuntu (which uses the same swap partition with Debian's mem imag) -- reboot into Debian which can not wake up from hibernation anymore. |
| 23:20.07 | overchan | 128 partitions = 128 OS on 1 HDD? ^^ |
| 23:20.14 | liiwi | babilen: most installers ask for which swap partition to use, there's very little to choose. |
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| 23:21.01 | babilen | liiwi: You define which partition to use during the install - Sure there is something to choose. (i.e. the partition) |
| 23:21.16 | zykotick9 | babilen, ahhh - ya that would seem logical. I hadn't contemplated that - thanks. |
| 23:21.43 | babilen | zykotick9: A non-issue if you don't hibernate, but still ... ugly |
| 23:22.50 | liiwi | babilen: reflagging swap partitions to other use, works for a while, sure. |
| 23:23.10 | babilen | And I don't see what you would need 10 parallel installs anyway. Just use virtual machines if one distribution is not enough. |
| 23:23.38 | liiwi | just tell everyone you're doing this :) |
| 23:24.17 | streuner_ | surely not, its nosense |
| 23:24.23 | streuner_ | nonsense* |
| 23:24.37 | babilen | liiwi: Yes, I am doing that. I need VMs of oneiric, natty, squeeze and wheezy to test packages. |
| 23:25.15 | streuner_ | (for an average user) |
| 23:25.18 | streuner_ | :-P |
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| 23:25.48 | ner0x | How can I decide what device I want my sound played out of? |
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| 23:26.44 | babilen | ner0x: Set the alsa default |
| 23:26.45 | beardy | ner0x: IIRC you can decide that in 'alsamixer', probably in a configuration file too. |
| 23:26.52 | ner0x | I mean, on the fly. |
| 23:26.56 | babilen | !tell ner0x -about alsa default |
| 23:27.01 | ner0x | I plug in headphones, bam, headphones work. |
| 23:27.02 | Barbarossa | hi there |
| 23:27.28 | Barbarossa | Are there any scientific papaers around on DI preseeding or something like that? |
| 23:27.33 | Barbarossa | Anyone aware of that? |
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| 23:27.41 | babilen | ner0x: Or take a look at the troubleshooting section of the alsa article in the Debian wiki (set the index for the card) -- compare with "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
| 23:27.47 | liiwi | babilen: groovy |
| 23:27.59 | streuner_ | Barbarossa: #debian-boot should know better |
| 23:28.02 | babilen | ner0x: Headphones should just work |
| 23:28.03 | Barbarossa | streuner_: thanks |
| 23:28.09 | ner0x | What I'm saying is, I see the device, works great. |
| 23:28.10 | streuner_ | Barbarossa: on OFTC, of course |
| 23:28.13 | ner0x | babilen: USB headphones. |
| 23:28.23 | beardy | But they probably do just work because of some acpi handler. |
| 23:28.33 | beardy | If they are things like that and not hardwired. |
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| 23:29.52 | babilen | ner0x: AAH, USB -- yeah those are prevented from grabbing index 0 -- See /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf's last line (comment that if you want to allow USB devices to grab index 0) -- pulseaudio might make that easier. Investigate that route as well. |
| 23:30.17 | beardy | feels he's mostly useless and lets babilen hold the stick |
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| 23:31.10 | ner0x | babilen: The snd-usb-audio=-2 I assume? |
| 23:32.05 | babilen | I never owned USB sound hardware, so this is just based on previous #d experience -- Not really sure what the best and most elegant way is. If you stay with ALSA and want USB devices to be the default that is the way to go ... but it feels wrong and might not work as nice. There might be better solutions but I never felt inclined to investigate that. |
| 23:32.13 | babilen | ner0x: exactly |
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| 23:32.33 | ner0x | Is there a way to install pulse audio and it just work? |
| 23:32.43 | babilen | ner0x: You might want to ask in #alsa and #pulseaudio as well |
| 23:33.24 | ner0x | I'm just going to install and see what happens! :-) |
| 23:33.51 | babilen | ner0x: If you install PA you probably want a /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asound.rc with http://paste.debian.net/127535/ in it |
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| 23:34.22 | babilen | !tell ner0x -about pulseaudio |
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| 23:35.08 | ner0x | babilen: If I remove the grabbing the index option, "when" does it happen? Restart? Anytime the module is loaded? |
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| 23:37.16 | babilen | ner0x: The latter |
| 23:37.44 | ner0x | And it's only loaded once right? So if I remove the headphones they don't remove the modules. |
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| 23:38.55 | babilen | yes, you can reload it though (modprobe -r + modprobe) |
| 23:40.38 | joko | Hello, is anyone running successfully an FTPES server in Debian Squeeze? |
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| 23:41.07 | streuner_ | in order to use GNUTlS? |
| 23:41.25 | babilen | joko: What is an FTPES server? |
| 23:41.45 | ner0x | babilen: Is there really no way to just switch which one it plays through? This seems too difficult for such a small problem. |
| 23:41.54 | streuner_ | GNUTTLS was a problem, not sure it is still in Debian a problem. |
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| 23:42.30 | babilen | ner0x: I know -- hence my comment on "feels ugly" -- But I never investigated that particular issue. Ask in the channels I pointed out and read about it. |
| 23:42.31 | joko | babilen: It's an FTP server with SSL / TLS support |
| 23:42.39 | babilen | !ftp must die |
| 23:42.39 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 23:42.46 | streuner_ | nah |
| 23:42.50 | babilen | joko: And there are probably people who run that. |
| 23:42.55 | Costanza | hi.. i want to try debian gnome but its 50 iso files ea 600mb.. hmmm? |
| 23:42.58 | streuner_ | thats NOT the problem, IRCC |
| 23:43.03 | joko | streuner_: I know, I think there is a problem with GnuTLS, indeed |
| 23:43.29 | babilen | Costanza: Do you have internet? Is it available during the installation? How would you connect? |
| 23:43.31 | TFGBD_ | Does debian's ARM port have better "legacy" processor support than Ubuntu's? |
| 23:43.31 | streuner_ | sure, Debian has a lizense issue about GnuTLS, IIRC |
| 23:43.53 | joko | streuner_: is there any workaround? |
| 23:44.44 | Costanza | what do you mean? i try to download it from http://debian-cd.hnsdc.com/debian/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/ and there is 50 iso files |
| 23:44.48 | streuner_ | joko: no idea, but Debian doesnt ship anything with GnuTLS, IIRC |
| 23:45.18 | babilen | !tell Costanza -about arm |
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| 23:46.00 | babilen | Costanza: Do you have a working internet connection? Those 50 CDs contain *all* packages in Debian and are rather meant for people who don't have internet access *ever* |
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| 23:46.11 | babilen | !tell TFGBD_ -about arm |
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| 23:46.13 | Costanza | yes i have internet connection |
| 23:46.22 | babilen | Costanza: Sorry, the arm factoid is not relevant for you. |
| 23:46.27 | Costanza | and i dont need any packages |
| 23:46.43 | Costanza | i can install it manually later |
| 23:46.59 | babilen | Costanza: How do you connect to the internet? Do you use wireless or a wired connection? Would it be possible to use a wired connection during the installation? |
| 23:47.09 | Costanza | ethernet cable |
| 23:47.23 | babilen | Costanza: Use the netinstall in that case. |
| 23:47.32 | babilen | !tell Costanza -about netinst |
| 23:47.39 | babilen | !tell Costanza -about installer firmware |
| 23:47.45 | babilen | !tell Costanza -about firmware image |
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| 23:48.12 | babilen | Costanza: I would recommend the firmware image if you have hardware that needs firmware. Please also read the installation guide -- /msg dpkg ig |
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| 23:48.52 | Costanza | and by the way i dont want to install debian i wanted to run it live from the usb stick.. |
| 23:49.43 | Costanza | 6.0.1 is the latest live.. i see |
| 23:49.44 | babilen | Costanza: That is a huge difference -- You want Debian live with persistence in that case. That is covered in the live manual. -- /msg dpkg live |
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| 23:51.59 | Costanza | well thx.. i will download the iso file for live |
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