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| 00:01.18 | wissem | I have a swf file that I wasn't able to open it correctly with flash player nor gnash |
| 00:01.30 | wissem | any other alternative? |
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| 00:03.01 | streuner_ | just throw it to trash, it makes no headaches then |
| 00:05.03 | gnarface | wissem: its probably corrupted or the wrong version. but you could try ming |
| 00:05.22 | gnarface | wissem: oh wait nevermind i think ming only creates swfs, not read them |
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| 00:05.57 | wissem | oh okay |
| 00:06.04 | wissem | a google search give me this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tubesock/ |
| 00:06.20 | gnarface | never heard of it |
| 00:06.33 | gnarface | what version of flash player are you using? |
| 00:06.34 | wissem | although when i'm trying to compile it I get error saying that glib is missing |
| 00:07.01 | gnarface | in debian dev headers are packaged seperately from runtime stuff. search for the same package name with '-dev' as a suffix |
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| 00:08.49 | wissem | thanks! |
| 00:09.12 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 00:10.49 | DexterF | hi |
| 00:11.53 | DexterF | when I ssh -X and run a gui app, then need to shut down down the machine I ssh'ed from, can I "park" that X app somehow and pick it up later again? |
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| 00:13.08 | ectospasm | DexterF: I know you can do that with NX |
| 00:13.16 | ectospasm | http://nomachin.com |
| 00:13.20 | ectospasm | er |
| 00:13.25 | ectospasm | http://nomachine.com |
| 00:13.33 | ectospasm | that may not be the right link )-; |
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| 00:14.08 | ectospasm | DexterF: and you'll find that NX has much better performance than classical X11 forwarding |
| 00:15.14 | gnarface | ectospasm: uh... is that commercial software? |
| 00:15.28 | gnarface | DexterF: warning, NOT DEBIAN |
| 00:16.27 | DexterF | well, I once tried to setup nx... cost me the better part of the day, plenty of nerves and whatnot. but that was ages ago and on slackware. ill check it out, might come handy here |
| 00:16.57 | catsup | or vnc |
| 00:17.00 | DexterF | I don't care that much about debian freedom zealottery |
| 00:17.14 | gnarface | vnc might be a better option |
| 00:17.18 | catsup | pft zealotry |
| 00:17.19 | gnarface | then you can store the whole desktop |
| 00:17.23 | DexterF | catsup: gives me only the entire screen and is a tad slow |
| 00:17.35 | catsup | DexterF: well it's faster than x11 over a slow link |
| 00:17.43 | catsup | i mean really x11 is meant to be on a low latency lan |
| 00:17.51 | catsup | it's a dog otherwise |
| 00:18.19 | DexterF | oh, should have mentioned: its only for a local gigabit net |
| 00:18.22 | n0sq | is using tigervnc |
| 00:18.24 | catsup | lol oh |
| 00:18.24 | gnarface | DexterF: vnc screen draws can be tweaked to be less spastic and you can add some compression |
| 00:18.27 | catsup | then x11 is perfect |
| 00:18.40 | catsup | you will not even benefit from nx in that case |
| 00:19.02 | catsup | on local net x11 is going to perform way better than vnc |
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| 00:19.39 | DexterF | gnarface: I tweaked x11vnc to a level whee it#s usable even through an ssh tunnel here, but still that's only the full screen |
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| 00:21.52 | catsup | oic you need to keep the x session running after client disconnect |
| 00:22.27 | catsup | oh look, re nx: Google makes a freely available Open Source GPL2 version of the server called NeatX |
| 00:22.54 | catsup | http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ |
| 00:23.03 | catsup | What Works |
| 00:23.03 | catsup | Session creation |
| 00:23.03 | catsup | Session suspension |
| 00:23.03 | catsup | Session resumption |
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| 00:23.23 | catsup | whoops |
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| 00:35.21 | benedikt | what group is the initial user in a debian setup added to? |
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| 00:36.07 | dvs | benedikt: Same as the user? |
| 00:36.31 | benedikt | nothing else? |
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| 00:37.53 | catsup | benedikt: add a user then type groups |
| 00:38.02 | catsup | as the user |
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| 00:38.15 | benedikt | thats not what i am asking |
| 00:38.36 | catsup | oh the user created by the installer? |
| 00:38.46 | benedikt | i accidentally all the groups |
| 00:38.48 | benedikt | catsup: yup |
| 00:39.47 | dvs | yikes! |
| 00:40.11 | catsup | probably in sudo group at least these days? |
| 00:40.30 | catsup | sorry :| |
| 00:40.54 | dvs | benedikt: These are the groups I have (and they are more than the default): cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev bluetooth lpadmin netdev |
| 00:41.13 | benedikt | dvs: thanks :) |
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| 00:41.32 | benedikt | catsup: i mixed up 'g' and 'G' when adding my user to the 'sudo' group |
| 00:41.53 | dvs | benedikt: np |
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| 00:42.50 | catsup | oh man |
| 00:42.55 | catsup | you need the system groups too |
| 00:43.19 | catsup | but uh |
| 00:43.29 | catsup | there is a backup in /etc/group- usually |
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| 00:50.12 | benedikt | oh nice. |
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| 00:57.04 | claw | i want to know if my harddrive does 5400rpm or 7200rpm ... how to find that out? the software way |
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| 00:58.28 | Alfarin | Question, according to http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/cacti , httpd is provided by nginx. I have nginx installed via aptitude, but when I try to install cacti, it is telling me I need to install apache2.2 ⦠anyway to force it to not do that? |
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| 01:00.48 | Tramp | I updated the Kernel in Wheezy to 3.something. Now I suddenly notice that scrolling in Icewease is choppy and slow again. Is there something different with the scheduler in new Kernels? |
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| 01:02.36 | Alfarin | aha, nevermind, I messed up⦠installed php5-fpm and others manually, missed php5, so it is trying to do php5 as apache module (which then required the others) |
| 01:02.42 | shirish | can somebody suggest me a nice font for the terminal. |
| 01:02.55 | shirish | nice font for gnome-terminal. |
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| 01:03.36 | Tramp | shirish: I use the Terminus fonts |
| 01:04.19 | shirish | Tramp: thanx, will try it. |
| 01:04.26 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:04.50 | th0r | claw: you can determine the drive model number from lshw, and then get the specs from the manufacturers homepage |
| 01:04.55 | shirish | Tramp: is that console-terminus font or some other font ? |
| 01:05.18 | Tramp | for gnome-terminal you'll need the xfonts-terminus |
| 01:05.32 | Tramp | console-terminus is .... for the console |
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| 01:20.46 | Gen_Patton | hAs any one gootn a t-mobile jet 2.0 usb stick modem working on a laptop or destop |
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| 01:34.15 | Laali | Shit in this channel. Lol. |
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| 01:36.11 | Laali | Shit |
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| 01:59.03 | ectospasm | gnarface: I use the open source NX client. I believe it's dual-licensed |
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| 02:05.41 | benedikt | why isnt there wheezy-updates repo? |
| 02:05.53 | ectospasm | benedikt: because its in testing? |
| 02:06.23 | benedikt | ectospasm: i figured as much. so let me rephrase, why isnt there a -updates repo for testing? |
| 02:06.42 | ectospasm | benedikt: because testing isn't maintained like stable. |
| 02:07.07 | ectospasm | benedikt: you'll have to wait until an update ages long enough from sid |
| 02:07.36 | benedikt | makes sense. |
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| 02:08.42 | ectospasm | I got burned a few months ago because I was using wheezy, and an update came down forcing an uninstall of nvidia-glx |
| 02:09.07 | ectospasm | ...forcing a reinstall of nvidia-glx caused aptitude to remove most of my X Windows applications |
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| 02:09.43 | ectospasm | I gave up and went back to squeeze |
| 02:09.44 | Vbitz | how do i install python3.2-dev on squeeze |
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| 02:09.55 | ectospasm | Vbitz: is it in backports? |
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| 02:10.11 | Vbitz | not sure, what do i add for backports |
| 02:10.50 | ectospasm | !tell Vbitz about backports |
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| 02:13.17 | Vbitz | ectospasm, no it is not in backports |
| 02:13.41 | nvz | ok I upgraded this machine from lenny to squeeze and I have a few problems.. the first of which just started happening when I tried to plug in an external display (netbook) its booting without even attempting to start X via gdm it seems |
| 02:14.00 | Vbitz | should i add wheezy just to get a couple packages |
| 02:14.05 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 02:14.31 | sedulous | benedikt: http://testing-security.debian.net/ |
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| 02:15.38 | JasonWoof | nvz: did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to be sure it didn't try? |
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| 02:16.27 | nvz | heh, locked the damn term up there for a mintue |
| 02:16.37 | sedulous | benedikt: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
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| 02:16.47 | nvz | well x starts when I type xinit but no amount of restarting gdm gets the greeter coming up |
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| 02:18.11 | nvz | hmm might just need to rm my config |
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| 02:22.23 | nvz | oh well something was fudged in the gdm config, installing gdm3 solved it |
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| 02:35.26 | rypervenche | ectospasm: I had that problem, it is gone now. |
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| 03:17.28 | chops1 | I'm attempting to use cgi-shell to get more direct access to a Debian server (a vhost without shell access) to clean up from a server compromise, and I'm having trouble (specifically right now it's saying that "./cgi-shell-server" is returning -1). Is this the right place to ask about that sort of thing? |
| 03:19.26 | jmarsden | Probably, but if you have a vhost with no shell access, a compromise should be handled by the people who admin the machine -- call tech support :) |
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| 03:23.42 | chops1 | Tech support told me to clean it up myself and change the passwords (it's a Wordpress exploit, not a compromise beyond the server container that I know of) |
| 03:24.54 | chops1 | I'd love if tech support would clean it up for me, quite honestly... they only seem to keep backups going back a few days. My immediate reaction is to wipe, restore from backup, and patch the exploit immediately (which is basically what I'm trying to do, just from an extremely awkward offsite backup that is basically going to require shell access in order to restore from) |
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| 03:33.54 | chops1 | jmarsden: And now that I have a few minutes to think, a second conversation with tech support confirms that they _do_ have backups going back before the compromise. Thanks very much for the advice. |
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| 03:34.08 | chops1 | jmarsden: This is going to be a hell of a lot easier |
| 03:34.23 | jmarsden | chops1: You're welcome. |
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| 03:36.36 | chops1 | jmarsden: The quality of the tech support at this host is widely variable depending on who you get. I got one young fellow who told me at length about how a good solution to getting hacked in the future was to use tildes ("the little squiggle") in my passwords, because it was not in any dictionary and hackers wouldn't be able to defeat passwords that used it. |
| 03:36.47 | chops1 | I am dead serious about this. |
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| 03:39.51 | tuv | something is wrong with the ftp.ca.debian.org mirror |
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| 03:42.37 | Vbitz | for some reason when i boot with 3.0.0.1 activating swap fails |
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| 03:43.33 | tuv | and.. it's back |
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| 03:44.37 | iluminator101 | does anyone know how to pull data using googlecl and gdata? |
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| 03:49.00 | Rusty1 | iluminator101: havent done it myself , however http://code.google.com/p/gdata-python-client/ or somesuch perhaps |
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| 03:50.33 | qq30 | How do I discover the size of a folder? ls -lh does not give me the full size of its contents |
| 03:52.50 | phrantiq | du -hs <folder> |
| 03:54.48 | qq30 | thank you! |
| 03:55.05 | phrantiq | yw |
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| 04:01.32 | chops1 | jmarsden: Good news - the tech lied to me. They only keep backups for a few days. I finally got to talk to someone in operations who is apparently going to go yell at the tech, though, so I guess that's... good? Anyway, I'm still boned. |
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| 04:03.21 | nvz | I seem to have lost the ability to tap to click on my netbook after doing lenny->squeeze today.. it says no synaptics devices found in the log, but other than that I dont see anything.. the touchpad works just wont click when you tap it |
| 04:03.30 | jmarsden | chops1: So... now they need to be nice to you, right? So make the backup *you* have available to them somewhere online -- they can download it and restore from it for you, since they don't have a suitable backup themselves. And, since they lied to you, they can do all this *without* charging you for their tech support time, right? :) |
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| 04:04.02 | mosno | nvz, dump a synaptics.conf in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 04:04.08 | mosno | nvz, see synaptics(4) for details |
| 04:04.25 | chops1 | jmarsden: Hm, they don't charge for tech support anyway. They actually seem like more or less competent people, just that their first-line support leaves something to be desired. |
| 04:04.26 | nvz | jmarsden: as the great philosopher Steven Tyler said, dream on |
| 04:04.28 | mosno | nvz, you can do quick tests with synclient |
| 04:05.13 | nvz | mosno: I dont know that it is even a synaptics touchpad.. hence why it works despite the fact the synaptics driver says no devices found |
| 04:06.21 | chops1 | Even posting the backup zips is hard. Really the problem is that my colleague chose an offsite backup provider that has stored our backup as 300 different zipfile "chunks" ranging from several hundred K to several hundred M, their server-side restore tool tries to allocate memory equal to the size of the chunk from PHP, not to mention [continued ranting truncated] |
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| 04:07.05 | nvz | mosno: I do find out from synclient however, "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" |
| 04:07.23 | chops1 | Also -- this is true -- the backup provider's support is only available during UK office hours (I'm in the US). |
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| 04:08.39 | jmarsden | chops1: Sounds annoying, but... download all the 300 zipfiles to your local PC, create a tree of the files, and then re-zip it in however few or many archives (.zip or tar.gz or whatever you prefer) you like, and put *those* online somewhere for the virtual hosting people to grab and restore from... work, but should be doable. Right? |
| 04:09.14 | chops1 | jmarsden: The total size is 25 gigs. I actually did try to do that anyway, but -- this is also true -- my home internet went out. |
| 04:09.31 | akerl | Do you really have to keep telling us you aren't lying? |
| 04:09.43 | nvz | heads to the debian wiki |
| 04:10.04 | jmarsden | Then... how are you connected to IRC -- from a cellphone or something? Maybe time to go to a friends house and use their Internet connection to continue the work on the backup? |
| 04:10.14 | chops1 | jmarsden: I'm at Au Bon Pain. |
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| 04:11.07 | nvz | I might as well just study this acer aspire one wiki page and get all the crap working on here.. cause since I've had it, I've never had the cam or sd card things working.. |
| 04:11.37 | chops1 | jmarsden: They close soon, though. Also, I went another place that cut me off after 250 megs because I was eating up their bandwidth. That was when I decided to start investigating avenues that didn't involve downloading all 25 gigs. Anyway, I'm going to stop bitching and go back to working, though it does feel good to complain about all this. |
| 04:12.01 | jmarsden | chops1: Grin! I don't know... when bad things happen on a remote server, you need a sane-ish working environment locally you can rely on as you work on the recovery. Whether that is your home, a friends home, or some other place, is for you to decide. |
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| 04:15.43 | Rusty1 | hwinfo may be your friend nvz , dunno |
| 04:20.20 | chops1 | Okay, one more complaint; this one is new. "This process can take up to or over an hour to complete." What kind of person would feel it was helpful to write that sentence? |
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| 06:10.03 | PugVader | "Uncovering the Military's Secret Military" http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2011/08/03/uncovering-the-militarys-secret-military/ |
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| 06:16.25 | thealphanerd | want to get a backup before my buddies destroy the box again |
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| 06:31.29 | Bushmills | SkilZ: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=buy%20linux%20keyboard |
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| 07:10.59 | SkilZ | I would love this keyboard! http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/wp-content/uploads/media/cherry_cymotion_master_linux.jpg |
| 07:11.12 | SkilZ | But is from 2005 don't think they make them anymore |
| 07:12.09 | Virindi | what's so special about it? |
| 07:12.15 | Virindi | other than the tux icon :) |
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| 07:12.37 | Freduardo | the higher price :P |
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| 07:15.34 | centHOGG | true |
| 07:15.37 | centHOGG | love |
| 07:15.40 | Virindi | ...but do you have a tux icon??? |
| 07:16.00 | pfred1 | Virindi my God told me not to worship false icons |
| 07:16.19 | Virindi | so what then, a bsd daemon? :D |
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| 07:17.24 | pfred1 | this has got to be the mellowest hurricane in recorded history |
| 07:17.39 | Virindi | you in the carolinas? |
| 07:17.51 | pfred1 | DE so I'm under the clouds now |
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| 07:17.58 | Virindi | I'm in VA and everyone has been freaking out about it for the last week |
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| 07:18.18 | Virindi | "It's the next isabel!" yeah right |
| 07:18.20 | pfred1 | it sure is humid I'll give it that but other than that it is stil lreally calm |
| 07:18.55 | pfred1 | at one point the track was going right over my house it has since moved out to sea a little |
| 07:19.05 | pfred1 | I mean the line was directly over my house |
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| 07:20.09 | pfred1 | they manditory evacuated everyone in a horseshoe around me |
| 07:20.11 | Virindi | we're supposed to get 40mph winds 'maybe', I mean seriously, about a month ago there was a regular thunderstorm that had a ~90mph gust...some tree limbs fell but whatever |
| 07:20.19 | phorce1 | stormpulse.com |
| 07:20.29 | pfred1 | thing is sustained winds are more damaging than gusts |
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| 07:20.40 | phorce1 | that site and I got real friendly during Rita and Ike |
| 07:20.41 | pfred1 | but still I think they overhyped this one |
| 07:21.10 | pfred1 | I been using noaa |
| 07:21.21 | Virindi | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/092237.shtml?5-daynl?large#contents |
| 07:21.27 | pfred1 | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4.shtml?5-daynl |
| 07:21.29 | pfred1 | yeah |
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| 07:22.01 | pfred1 | the interactive warning cone is the most fun |
| 07:22.10 | Virindi | earlier it said tropical storm conditions likely for here, now it just says possible |
| 07:23.10 | pfred1 | yeah I think I'm going to be OK |
| 07:24.16 | pfred1 | at one point they were saying we were gong to get from a foot to 20 inches of rain out of this storm now that just seems crazy |
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| 07:24.53 | pfred1 | weather.com add the 3 days up it comes ut to less than 6 inches |
| 07:25.03 | Virindi | when they do a 'mandatory' evacuation there, do they send people house to house to knock on doors |
| 07:25.15 | pfred1 | nah they have an autodialer |
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| 07:25.52 | pfred1 | I don't think there are enough people here to warrant going door to door |
| 07:26.19 | pfred1 | town I live in is 125 sq miles pop 5,000 |
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| 07:27.00 | mah454 | How can i use ISO file for repository ? |
| 07:27.01 | pfred1 | it'd be like snowing out before they knocked on all of our doors for this storm |
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| 07:27.21 | mah454 | How can i use ISO file for repository ? (Debian DVDs 1-8) |
| 07:27.26 | pfred1 | mah454 you know i saw the instructions for that on debian's website |
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| 07:28.36 | mah454 | pfred1 i can not find this ! can you help me ? |
| 07:28.50 | Virindi | http://askubuntu.com/questions/3576/how-to-make-usb-drive-as-local-repository |
| 07:29.08 | Virindi | same idea, you just have to mount your iso |
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| 07:30.33 | Virindi | also try man apt-cdrom |
| 07:30.34 | pfred1 | Virindi there is a way to just loopback the thing I think |
| 07:30.55 | pfred1 | Virindi I ran across it the other day on some page on debian's site |
| 07:31.00 | Virindi | ah I see |
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| 07:32.16 | mah454 | ok ... thank you :) |
| 07:32.23 | pfred1 | Virindi if there is one thing debian is big for it is long drawn out processes |
| 07:32.26 | Virindi | I would just mount it and use apt-cdrom |
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| 07:33.38 | Virindi | mah454: also if you want to prevent it from using the internet mirrors to get packages you need to comment out those lines in sources.list |
| 07:33.50 | Virindi | and do apt-get update again |
| 07:33.54 | Virindi | once you've added the cdrom. |
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| 07:34.08 | pfred1 | Virindi last time I installed debian it forgot to comment out the CD for me |
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| 07:34.29 | Virindi | on old versions it never commented the cd for me |
| 07:34.50 | Virindi | seems to do it now on wheezy at least |
| 07:34.55 | pfred1 | Virindi I think i can remember it doing so the last couple times I installed it least I never remember feeding it the disc |
| 07:35.08 | pfred1 | cept for this very last time |
| 07:35.10 | mah454 | Virindi this mean ... I can not use local and internet repository in ine time ? |
| 07:35.13 | Virindi | it might matter if you use the full release discs or netinst |
| 07:35.17 | mah454 | Virindi this mean ... I can not use local and internet repository in one time ? |
| 07:35.25 | Virindi | you can |
| 07:35.30 | pfred1 | then I was like wait a minute this is silly loading the disc so I commented it out and ran update |
| 07:35.49 | Virindi | I was just saying if you don't want it downloading from the internet you need to comment out the entries for the internet mirrors |
| 07:35.53 | pfred1 | if you have them in your sources.list you will |
| 07:36.11 | pfred1 | Virindi all you really need is the net install image |
| 07:36.21 | Virindi | yeah I always use netinst now. |
| 07:36.46 | pfred1 | I was sort of bent out of shape this laptop couldn't boot off usb |
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| 07:36.58 | pfred1 | bios didn't support it though |
| 07:37.18 | pfred1 | so I figured what the hey burn a disc |
| 07:37.29 | Virindi | debootstrap is good for those times |
| 07:37.52 | pfred1 | what times? |
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| 07:38.35 | Virindi | systems that don't support external boot....I have a laptop with a locked bios that I never managed to unlock, installed on it by removing the hd and using debootstrap |
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| 07:39.08 | pfred1 | laptops don't have motherboard jumpers? |
| 07:39.16 | Virindi | not all of them |
| 07:39.27 | Kromgol | Ḧello. How do i change the size of a "Linux LVM" partition after having used pvresize to resize the physical volume? I need to free up some space *outside* the LVM. |
| 07:39.35 | Virindi | it's a tablet that's designed for medical use mainly |
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| 07:39.50 | Kromgol | Not my LVM partition, now i mean the Linux LVM partition that shows up in fdisk. |
| 07:40.48 | pfred1 | you got me swinging I never even bother with extended partitions I just stick with primaries |
| 07:41.42 | pfred1 | i figure 4 is enough to slice up any HDD |
| 07:42.17 | pfred1 | lately all I've needed has been 3 / swap and /home |
| 07:42.41 | Virindi | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cDctLqnoa-IJ:fedoraunity.org/Members/zcat/shrink-lvm-for-new-partition+resize+lvm+partition&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com |
| 07:43.20 | pfred1 | suse had a nice tool for fooling around with lvm but this ain't #suse |
| 07:44.14 | pfred1 | was like so easy a 5 year old could do it |
| 07:44.25 | centHOGG | hmm |
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| 07:46.10 | pfred1 | debian rules the roost though with dpkg because all any distro really is is its package manager |
| 07:46.30 | Virindi | I think rpm has improved a lot |
| 07:46.34 | pfred1 | pfft |
| 07:46.35 | Virindi | it used to be unusable |
| 07:46.51 | pfred1 | it has a loooong way to go to catch up to dpkg |
| 07:47.15 | Virindi | back in the fedora 1 days hitting update would take like 8 hours to 'compute dependencies' |
| 07:47.42 | pfred1 | I gave up on RH at 7.3 |
| 07:47.48 | centHOGG | heh |
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| 07:48.13 | pfred1 | hey if they didn't make up2date subscription I wouldn't have but they did so I did |
| 07:48.33 | pfred1 | which is why I know so much about suse today :) |
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| 07:48.52 | centHOGG | suse = kde |
| 07:48.52 | pfred1 | but suse has 0 for an upgrade path |
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| 07:49.03 | pfred1 | which is why I run debian |
| 07:49.23 | Virindi | what do you mean, between releases? |
| 07:49.28 | pfred1 | yes |
| 07:49.38 | computerx | Howdy, I'm trying to remove apache2, but it keeps wanting to remove gnome with it... Any suggestions? |
| 07:49.45 | pfred1 | least i couldn't figure out a clean way to upgrade 8.2 |
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| 07:49.59 | pfred1 | more like clean off the disc and start over |
| 07:50.10 | centHOGG | been there |
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| 07:50.33 | pfred1 | what does apache have to do with gnome? |
| 07:50.35 | Virindi | computerx: you mean you did apt-get remove apache2, and it listed gnome as something that would be removed? |
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| 07:51.23 | Virindi | could just be a metapackage. |
| 07:51.25 | pfred1 | computerx http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 07:51.44 | computerx | Close Virindi, it claimed to have uninstalled but didn't. I did apt-cache search .*apache.* and went through removing related packages manually. One (name inc) seems to be a gnome dependancy?! |
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| 07:52.06 | Virindi | if all it is is some metapackage then it doesn't really matter if you remove it |
| 07:52.19 | pfred1 | a virtual package? |
| 07:52.45 | computerx | I don't know if it's a virtual package, this is in my "test virtual machine" |
| 07:52.54 | pfred1 | gnome ain't all that great anyways |
| 07:53.08 | Virindi | you shouldn't have to remove everything manually, you should just be able to autoremove under normal circumstances |
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| 07:53.10 | pfred1 | could live without it |
| 07:53.13 | computerx | Well, I use Gnome all day every day, I'm not changing ;) |
| 07:53.21 | Virindi | gnome3??! |
| 07:53.25 | Virindi | people USE gnome3? |
| 07:53.31 | Virindi | or is this stable |
| 07:53.31 | computerx | Gnome 2, ofc |
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| 07:53.40 | Virindi | ah |
| 07:53.49 | pfred1 | computerx once you setup fluxbox it is the same thing just you have another 100MB of free RAM |
| 07:53.54 | sugardrunk | hmm.. how can I disable for example: alt+1 hotkeys in gnome terminal? Any idea? I do not wish to disable them all |
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| 07:54.40 | pfred1 | hot gnome killer app of the day aptitude install xfe nicer than gnome's silly file manager |
| 07:54.49 | Virindi | uninstalled everything gnome when gnome3 hit |
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| 07:55.43 | Virindi | I was running xfce but using gnome-terminal and when gnome3 hit guess what, gnome-terminal stopped working right |
| 07:55.46 | computerx | I really dislike the fluxbox screenshots from their site |
| 07:56.05 | computerx | Tried terminator? It's freakin' awesome |
| 07:56.15 | sugardrunk | terminator is nice :) |
| 07:56.18 | Virindi | I'm using the xfce terminal now |
| 07:56.33 | pfred1 | computerx I'm not very WM centric as long as it draws boxes I'm good with it |
| 07:56.34 | Virindi | it's a clone of gnome terminal basically |
| 07:57.28 | pfred1 | this is the terminal I use urxvt -rv -fn -etl-fixed-bold-r-normal--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-1 |
| 07:57.29 | Virindi | I mean, what does a terminal have to do...show text, maybe have tabs if you want to be fancy, if you want to be really fancy let you set the background |
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| 07:58.02 | Virindi | and gnome-terminal screwed that up in 3. |
| 07:58.06 | pfred1 | you're all in one right now in fact |
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| 07:58.17 | Virindi | apparently it is unable to run except in the gnome window manager now |
| 07:58.32 | pfred1 | way to lose users |
| 07:58.42 | centHOGG | way to go losers? |
| 07:58.49 | Virindi | yeah I think everyone agrees that this point that gnome3 is epic fail |
| 07:58.51 | computerx | Well, I have 2-6 terminals open at any given time, so terminator letting you arbitrarily split the window into multiple smaller terminals, but transparency so I can drag it over something else and still refer to it... It's very helpful for me at leat |
| 07:58.59 | pfred1 | well gnome has always had an uphill battle against KDE |
| 07:59.20 | pfred1 | they'll manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet! |
| 07:59.21 | Virindi | I just hope everyone doesn't jump over to xfce and ruin it by bloating it |
| 07:59.47 | Kromgol | Rebooting after making drastic changes to the LVM is always interesting. Now my server refuses to boot. :D |
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| 08:00.08 | computerx | btw, the package I can't remove without removing Gnome is libapache2-mod-dnssd - at this point I'm thinking of installing apache 2.3 right over it and hoping it still works. |
| 08:00.25 | Vbitz | alright i have tried muting everything in alsamixer and for some reason i still get beeps in the console |
| 08:00.42 | Virindi | I hope you did resize2fs or equivalent before resizing the lvm... |
| 08:00.53 | Virindi | yes |
| 08:00.53 | Vbitz | and in all applications such as xchat |
| 08:00.57 | Virindi | beep is a different driver |
| 08:01.03 | pfred1 | Vbitz pc speaker |
| 08:01.15 | Virindi | blacklist pcspkr |
| 08:01.19 | Virindi | kernel module. |
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| 08:01.28 | Vbitz | how do i mute it |
| 08:01.38 | claw | Vbitz, xset -b |
| 08:01.41 | pfred1 | I remember playing Doom with PCspeaker |
| 08:01.50 | Virindi | I just rmmod pcspkr :) |
| 08:01.52 | claw | you can add it to ~/.bashrc |
| 08:01.58 | Zharf | pfred1, that must've been horrible |
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| 08:02.09 | computerx | It wasn't that bad, Zharf |
| 08:02.23 | computerx | Well... It wasn't that bad for 15 years ago ;) |
| 08:02.27 | pfred1 | Zharf it was pretty rocking so much so I had to put the speaker int oa glass wrapped in a paper towel to mute it a little |
| 08:02.28 | Zharf | computerx, you're right, it was much worse |
| 08:02.28 | Vbitz | it worked thanks |
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| 08:03.20 | Zharf | speaking of beeps... alsa's being retarded on me again and unmutes beeping everytime I bring this box back from sleeping |
| 08:03.23 | Zharf | annoying |
| 08:03.27 | computerx | You know what I like about debian over centos? Debian actually has some of the packages I need in it... |
| 08:03.36 | centHOGG | server? or desktop |
| 08:03.40 | pfred1 | computerx heh |
| 08:03.42 | Zharf | alsamixer says beep is muted but it still beeps.. I need to unmute and mute it everytime to fix it |
| 08:03.43 | computerx | Both |
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| 08:03.53 | centHOGG | whatever floats your boat |
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| 08:04.16 | computerx | I use and respect centos a great deal, but after compiling x264 and ffmpeg on both, for example |
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| 08:04.35 | Virindi | see if you just blacklist pcspkr it will never beep ever....sometimes you need to be sure, like when you're taking a laptop to a meeting or a class or whatever |
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| 08:04.53 | centHOGG | ye |
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| 08:04.54 | centHOGG | s |
| 08:05.11 | pfred1 | computerx I don't mind building some programs but when I have to start building everything I can get a bit perturbed anymore |
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| 08:05.42 | computerx | pfred1, yeah, I know what you mean. I tend to script stuff like this, and my centos ffmpeg installer is like 5x bigger than the debian one |
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| 08:06.06 | pfred1 | computerx when I said that I thought about mplayer et al |
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| 08:06.18 | pfred1 | computerx though debian's mplayer works well enough for me |
| 08:06.23 | computerx | I use vlc |
| 08:06.41 | pfred1 | computerx I like to build Quake engines |
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| 08:07.00 | pfred1 | computerx get one called DarkPlaces it is rocking! |
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| 08:07.14 | computerx | I'll have a look, Quake 1 based? |
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| 08:07.50 | pfred1 | computerx it plays Q1 yeah get a mod called Nehahra and a map called quoth |
| 08:08.05 | pfred1 | computerx you'll be like this is Q1? |
| 08:08.23 | computerx | I assume I'll have to dig out my quake cd for the pak files |
| 08:08.38 | pfred1 | computerx yeah bit of a pain that is lha extracting them |
| 08:09.11 | pfred1 | I keep them on an nfs share now :) |
| 08:09.25 | computerx | Bit of a pain was finding doom 3 linux binary, installing it, finding an empty doom 3 case and buying a new copy of the game from amazon.... |
| 08:09.49 | pfred1 | I just went through a pile of CD drives here found 3 CDs |
| 08:09.55 | centHOGG | yeah just install the chit normally dude |
| 08:10.00 | pfred1 | one I'd been looking for for years! |
| 08:10.17 | computerx | lol |
| 08:10.36 | pfred1 | every now and again it'd bug me that I had the case but not the disc |
| 08:10.52 | pfred1 | so much so I had to torrent it at one point ... |
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| 08:11.34 | pfred1 | have paperclip will find media |
| 08:11.43 | computerx | Yeah, I was gonna torrent the missing doom 3 data, but I don't trust software from places "like that". Hence why I just went and bought a new copy. |
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| 08:12.24 | AimHere | Doom3 engine should come with source soon anyways |
| 08:12.35 | pfred1 | I have ultimate doom I need to try to set it up in Linux someday |
| 08:12.42 | centHOGG | ? |
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| 08:13.00 | computerx | There's certainly enough ports of it |
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| 08:13.14 | pfred1 | well last time I did the sound wasn't quite there |
| 08:13.16 | AimHere | I think there's doom engines at the other end of an apt-get |
| 08:13.28 | AimHere | So all you need to do is drop in the game files and you're good |
| 08:13.31 | Virindi | there are like 3 doom ports in debian |
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| 08:13.34 | pfred1 | I think the effects were but not the music |
| 08:13.46 | computerx | prboom is alright, nothing too fancy. |
| 08:14.15 | pfred1 | I'm a retro gamer DarkPlaces is about as advanced as I get |
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| 08:15.08 | Virindi | doesn't prboom use 3d replacement models? |
| 08:15.30 | Virindi | a lot of doom ports tried to start using 3d models and it just looked bad |
| 08:15.32 | computerx | Me too, the most recent games I play used to be World of Warcraft, and still the earlier Warcraft strategy games (<3 wine) |
| 08:16.07 | pfred1 | for a little while when you could still get the roms I was getting into xmame |
| 08:16.11 | sauvin | iirc, you can use doom wads with prboom |
| 08:16.27 | Zharf | I really like legacy doom but I can't play it anymore since I don't have any 4:3 monitors left and it stretches in full screen :E |
| 08:16.29 | pfred1 | someplace I have a CD with a load of ROMs on it |
| 08:16.41 | computerx | prdoom, at least the setup I have, still has the cute "3d" textures that face you no matter where you stand :D |
| 08:16.45 | centHOGG | Zharf: build yourself a dosbox |
| 08:16.49 | centHOGG | its fun |
| 08:16.50 | Virindi | doomlegacy is the best doom port. |
| 08:17.04 | Zharf | centHOGG, actual one? meh, I *just* got rid of three of them |
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| 08:17.20 | pfred1 | Virindi I'll have to check it out |
| 08:17.20 | centHOGG | the dos library is fantastic imho |
| 08:17.20 | Zharf | I'm not bringing any more boxes in the house |
| 08:17.44 | pfred1 | Zharf get rid of anything good? |
| 08:17.58 | pfred1 | I could use a better box for my CNC project |
| 08:18.05 | Zharf | some P1 age stuff, 100-133MHz |
| 08:18.25 | pfred1 | ah room heaters |
| 08:18.46 | centHOGG | heh |
| 08:18.50 | pfred1 | my cutoff anymore is 1 Ghz p3 |
| 08:18.50 | computerx | I thought centHOGG was referring to the dosbox app... |
| 08:18.56 | centHOGG | nah hw |
| 08:19.01 | pfred1 | even that I don't know amymore |
| 08:19.11 | centHOGG | at psus, at keyboards |
| 08:19.32 | centHOGG | isa |
| 08:19.33 | computerx | I have a 8086 PC in the attic, maybe I should get that down for some ultra-retro gaming |
| 08:19.35 | pfred1 | I should just break down and bu ya cheap atom |
| 08:19.40 | centHOGG | fun |
| 08:19.44 | Zharf | pfred1, well I'm about to get rid of my server, XP2800+ |
| 08:20.00 | Virindi | you building your own CNC? |
| 08:20.07 | pfred1 | Zharf this box is only a 2GHz P4 |
| 08:20.19 | mah454 | I use local and internet repository in Debian . but apt only use internet repository ! How can I increase the priority of local repository ? |
| 08:20.27 | pfred1 | Virindi was sort of the plan a while ago sort of got side tracked |
| 08:20.50 | pfred1 | Virindi I built all the electronics got the motors running under computer control never built the frame yet |
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| 08:21.08 | Virindi | I built one awhile back and I still need to make it actually decent mechanically |
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| 08:21.38 | Virindi | my guide rods were too thin so I had a bunch of play in it |
| 08:21.41 | pfred1 | yeah i have to just go get the metal stock I need when gas went up i didn't feel liek traveling where i have to go to get it |
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| 08:22.17 | pfred1 | I'm going to use square tubing and roller skate bearings |
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| 08:22.29 | Virindi | note: don't use cheap 1/4" steel rod from a hardware store as a guide system, haha |
| 08:22.45 | pfred1 | no I'll use 2" square tubeing |
| 08:23.04 | mah454 | How can i change repository's priority ? |
| 08:23.07 | pfred1 | or do you mean as the lead screws? |
| 08:23.15 | Virindi | at this point I'm looking at how to retrofit what I have to make it more sturdy |
| 08:23.21 | Virindi | nah |
| 08:23.43 | Virindi | I have 1/4" cheap threaded rod for the movement system and that part works fine |
| 08:24.02 | pfred1 | Virindi heh yeah? |
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| 08:24.15 | Virindi | mah454: change the order in the sources.list file? |
| 08:24.17 | pfred1 | Virindi I have 1/2-10 acme rod |
| 08:25.13 | Virindi | I discovered also that round rod with a bushing to hold the carriage to it doesn't work, your wheel method seems like that only way to go |
| 08:25.23 | Virindi | bushings can never fit tight enough to give good precision |
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| 08:25.50 | mah454 | Virindi I find this document ... but debian have not /etc/apt/preferences ... |
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| 08:26.53 | Virindi | basically my whole design was fail, but at least I have a base to retrofit for try #2 |
| 08:27.03 | pfred1 | mah454 touch /etc/apt/preferences |
| 08:27.11 | babilen | mah454: What are you trying to do? |
| 08:27.13 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 08:27.25 | pfred1 | mah454 then you'll have one! |
| 08:27.54 | mah454 | babilen in use local and internet repository ... but apt only use internet repo for installing packages ... |
| 08:28.00 | pfred1 | Virindi my controller is a custom built Debian box |
| 08:28.54 | babilen | mah454: What is the difference between the local and the internet repositories? |
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| 08:29.02 | Virindi | pfred1: what are you going to use for software |
| 08:29.06 | babilen | (apart from being local/remote) |
| 08:29.08 | pfred1 | Virindi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbeyNNBZ68 |
| 08:29.12 | pfred1 | Virindi emc2 |
| 08:29.29 | pfred1 | Virindi linuxcnc.org |
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| 08:29.39 | pfred1 | cept I hate ubuntu so ... |
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| 08:29.48 | pfred1 | had to build my own you know? |
| 08:29.53 | Virindi | pfffft ubuntu |
| 08:30.09 | pfred1 | well really my custom box I don't get any more speed out of it really |
| 08:30.25 | pfred1 | I've run just their stuff cept i hate running ubuntu |
| 08:30.39 | babilen | pfred1, Virindi: May I invite you to #debian-offtopic? |
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| 08:30.53 | Virindi | lol, sorry |
| 08:30.57 | pfred1 | babilen what is OT about running CNC on debian? |
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| 08:31.11 | pfred1 | babilen lets go spit it out |
| 08:31.18 | mah454 | babilen I enable non-free repo on internet repo . but i have not this on local ... |
| 08:31.21 | pfred1 | babilen I don't have all day! |
| 08:31.29 | vooze | Anyone know about how long (just about) till gnome3 will reach testing? |
| 08:31.39 | mah454 | babilen I enable non-free on internet repo . but i have not this on local ... |
| 08:31.39 | centHOGG | no |
| 08:31.39 | wols | !tell vooze about wir |
| 08:31.52 | babilen | pfred1: Nothing, but random youtube videos of (fancy) things and "... I hate running Ubuntu" certainly is. (as is discussing what is off-topic :) |
| 08:32.01 | pfred1 | babilen that was debian |
| 08:32.08 | wols | mah454: there is no ISO or cd with non-free software from debian |
| 08:32.35 | Virindi | a bunch of gnome packages seem to be 3 already in testing |
| 08:32.37 | pfred1 | babilen go on show us more of your vast ignorance |
| 08:32.37 | jelly-home | pfred1: this is a tech support channel |
| 08:33.05 | jelly-home | pfred1: use #debian-offtopic to extol virtues of your favorite distros |
| 08:33.16 | pfred1 | jelly-home it doesn't help if I tell someone about software that runs on debian that fills their need when they ask? |
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| 08:33.41 | mah454 | wols Ok ... it's true . thx ;) |
| 08:33.59 | jelly-home | pfred1: that it does. The rest, less so |
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| 08:34.10 | pfred1 | jelly-home what rest? |
| 08:34.22 | jelly-home | <pfred1> cept I hate ubuntu so ... |
| 08:34.31 | pfred1 | jelly-home so I use debian |
| 08:34.35 | pfred1 | jelly-home sue me |
| 08:34.36 | jelly-home | stops |
| 08:34.53 | pfred1 | jelly-home i also took a very long time to make the change |
| 08:35.12 | pfred1 | jelly-home went out of my way would be one way of putting it |
| 08:35.56 | babilen | pfred1: Drop it please. PM me if you want to discuss this. |
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| 08:36.22 | pfred1 | babilen what is there to discuss I already thought we determined there was nothing |
| 08:36.32 | pfred1 | babilen because if there was you' |
| 08:36.35 | pfred1 | d have said it |
| 08:36.36 | babilen | pfred1: Then drop it and don't PM me. |
| 08:36.46 | pfred1 | babilen why don't you drop it? |
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| 08:36.55 | pfred1 | babilen you're the one who brought it up |
| 08:37.08 | Virindi | wow |
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| 08:46.33 | babilen | !teoo vooze -about gnome3 |
| 08:47.43 | babilen | vooze: Check the status website for details. |
| 08:48.13 | vooze | what status link? I got nothing from dpkg |
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| 08:48.53 | babilen | oops |
| 08:49.04 | babilen | vooze: /msg dpkg gnome3 |
| 08:50.25 | vooze | babilen: thanks ;) |
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| 09:25.25 | qmr | What is a small bootable CD that has grub-install? |
| 09:26.11 | ham5 | netinstall is pretty small, systemreceovery cd |
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| 09:26.46 | qmr | syscrescuecd is first I thought of, but it's 380mb or something. |
| 09:27.03 | qmr | can I get to an interactive shell with debian netinst? |
| 09:27.04 | pfred1 | I wonder if any of my machines can burn a card disc i never tried |
| 09:27.27 | pfred1 | has anyone here ever burned one of those tiny card discs? |
| 09:27.27 | babilen | qmr: Debian live and grml are good live CDs, but you can also use the Debian install CD. |
| 09:27.30 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 09:27.30 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 09:27.50 | babilen | qmr: That ^^^ is the general method (modulu the "how to get a command line" part) |
| 09:28.04 | mjt | yeah, "simple" :) |
| 09:28.29 | thogar | dont know if this is the right place to ask this but uh... how do you add lines to autostart in LXDE directory |
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| 09:29.29 | ham5 | yea |
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| 09:30.14 | qmr | hrm... |
| 09:31.18 | maotm | dpkg: !help |
| 09:31.18 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, maotm |
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| 09:32.08 | ham5 | dpkg because your a noob |
| 09:32.08 | dpkg | no idea, ham5 |
| 09:32.09 | qmr | I am needing to boot winodws though, migrating my stuff to a bigger hard disk, only windows partition is moved right now |
| 09:32.26 | babilen | thogar: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart + #lxde |
| 09:33.18 | thogar | @_@ i cant just use leafpad? lol |
| 09:33.28 | qmr | dang, netinst is 191mB? it used to be 40! |
| 09:33.31 | qmr | waves cane |
| 09:34.07 | pfred1 | qmr slackware did it with 2 1.44 MB floppies |
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| 09:37.00 | babilen | qmr: Use the business card if you want/need a smaller one. |
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| 09:37.17 | pfred1 | where do they even sell those things? |
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| 09:38.43 | pfred1 | last time I burnt a Debian boot CD I didn't even feel bad about wasting the disc even 700MB discs are sort of worthless today |
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| 09:39.17 | qmr | it's just the download is all, my internet sucks lately :( |
| 09:40.05 | babilen | qmr: Well, you need to download those data anyway. You might want to do it somewhere else where you have a better network connection though. |
| 09:40.18 | pfred1 | qmr I downloaded my fist distro with a modem and it took me 3 days to get 128 MB |
| 09:40.26 | qmr | I just need to run grub-install :P |
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| 09:40.51 | pfred1 | things really picked up after i figured out ftp -i amd mget * |
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| 09:41.59 | dreamer | hmm, in the busybox shell of the install-cd. how can I find out what the uuid of the detected disks is? |
| 09:42.13 | dreamer | they are not in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 09:42.23 | thogar | well i got that done, but i have a script which i need to auto open in terminal upon startup, thats what i've been trying to do |
| 09:42.27 | dreamer | (only the install-fs is there) |
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| 09:43.59 | thewanderer1 | dreamer: does `blkid` command work? |
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| 09:44.37 | frostschutz | dreamer: see if it has busybox findfs |
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| 09:45.32 | goncalo | hi guys, good day |
| 09:45.37 | dreamer | thewanderer1: yes, thnx. I thought uuid was also an disk, not just partition |
| 09:45.54 | thewanderer1 | dreamer: UUID is an attribute of file systems |
| 09:46.09 | dreamer | ok, check |
| 09:46.12 | dreamer | well, it should be ok |
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| 09:46.34 | dreamer | somehow one of the disks on my sata-controller is not detected. I want to see if it's just the port on the controller or the disk itself |
| 09:46.59 | dreamer | but the partitioning is exactly the same, so I need the uuid to discern them :) |
| 09:47.01 | goncalo | I am having a problem, I am trying to remove epiphany and "apt-get remove epiphany" says that it not installed, also synaptic isn't removing any software, what do I do? |
| 09:49.34 | mjt | in order to remove something you have to install something first, no? :) |
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| 09:51.37 | goncalo | <mjt> but it is installed, I can use it, it came with debian |
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| 09:52.51 | dreamer | heuhm, is this because my disks are in a raid? the UUID's of the partitions of the 2 disks that are currently found are exactly the same :/ |
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| 09:53.49 | mjt | epiphany - clone of Boulder Dash game |
| 09:53.55 | mjt | that one? |
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| 09:54.35 | dreamer | mjt: probably the browser hehe |
| 09:54.49 | babilen | goncalo: Isn't it epiphany-browser? |
| 09:54.57 | dreamer | goncalo: try epiphany-browser |
| 09:55.00 | dreamer | :) |
| 09:55.03 | mjt | dpkg -l | grep epiphany |
| 09:55.03 | dpkg | ii | grep epiphany 2.7-14.3 mjt's private stamp collection |
| 09:55.12 | mjt | heh |
| 09:55.20 | babilen | and it is installed! |
| 09:55.46 | babilen | mjt: btw -- "dpkg -l 'epiphany*'" |
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| 09:56.08 | mjt | babilen: that one also shows available, not only installed |
| 09:56.19 | mjt | that's why i always use | grep |
| 09:56.33 | babilen | mjt: correct -- "aptitude search ~i~n^epiphany" then :) |
| 09:56.55 | mjt | and that one is too difficult to remember -- all these ~i~n stuff |
| 09:56.57 | babilen | mjt: But that is an important difference, thanks for pointing it out! |
| 09:57.05 | goncalo | yes the browser, it's done, thank you |
| 09:57.10 | babilen | goncalo: great |
| 09:57.15 | dreamer | thewanderer1: you know if the same UUID on different disks is because they are part of a raid? |
| 09:57.27 | goncalo | what browser do you recomend? |
| 09:57.32 | dreamer | gah, how am I going to find out if the other disk works on the port the current working disk is on .. |
| 09:57.38 | dreamer | goncalo: lynx |
| 09:57.40 | goncalo | I like light basic stuff, not like opera |
| 09:58.01 | goncalo | does lynx open every website or is it just text mode? |
| 09:58.08 | thewanderer1 | dreamer: in mdraid, different partitions should have the same UUID, it seems |
| 09:58.40 | thewanderer1 | goncalo: lynx is text mode. I find that chromium-browser is quite light and fast. (worked on my Pentium 3) |
| 09:58.43 | dreamer | thewanderer1: yeah I guess so .. maybe I should just connect the disks separately and see what happens -_- |
| 09:59.06 | dreamer | try them on both sata ports etc |
| 09:59.38 | goncalo | ok, thank you, i'll try them both! |
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| 10:05.39 | LiENUS | wow managed to somehow install debian with no graphics card at all |
| 10:05.48 | LiENUS | did it entirely over serial port |
| 10:06.11 | LiENUS | no cd either, netinstall heh |
| 10:06.28 | LiENUS | if only i had managed to do it diskless as well |
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| 10:07.43 | thewanderer1 | diskless install to what? :D |
| 10:08.40 | LiENUS | lol |
| 10:08.55 | LiENUS | nfs |
| 10:08.58 | thogar | where are keyrings stored? |
| 10:09.01 | LiENUS | its not too uncommon |
| 10:09.14 | LiENUS | http://max.home.subnet.at/diskless/index.php gobs of howtos on it |
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| 10:09.44 | LiENUS | i did do it realityless though |
| 10:09.47 | LiENUS | its a kvm install |
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| 10:10.51 | hek | hi there |
| 10:10.58 | LiENUS | ohider |
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| 10:13.56 | dreamer | LiENUS: you could do a pxe boot that has an NFS |
| 10:13.57 | vyadhaka | Does debian come with pulseaudio? |
| 10:14.12 | dreamer | vyadhaka: you can install it, butI'm glad it's not the default |
| 10:14.18 | LiENUS | dreamer, well unfortunately i wasnt doing this install for pleasure |
| 10:14.20 | LiENUS | its for work heh |
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| 10:14.25 | dreamer | hehe |
| 10:14.51 | dreamer | but to do it diskless you'd need a custom image ofcourse |
| 10:14.59 | LiENUS | its installing onto a vm |
| 10:15.05 | dreamer | ok |
| 10:15.06 | LiENUS | and doing it with a graphics card is a bitch |
| 10:15.08 | LiENUS | so i did it over serial port heh |
| 10:15.17 | LiENUS | and instead of nfs im using drbd heh |
| 10:15.19 | dreamer | goes back to messing with his sata disks |
| 10:15.37 | dreamer | i hope the disk is ok .. else I need to buy a new one -_- (glad the raid alows one broken disk hehe) |
| 10:15.44 | LiENUS | heh |
| 10:15.48 | LiENUS | sata is why im doing this install now |
| 10:15.56 | LiENUS | sata and a scsi disk |
| 10:16.05 | LiENUS | had two disks fail right on top of each other in the old server |
| 10:16.20 | LiENUS | luckily everything was raided and drbd'd to multiple disks |
| 10:16.28 | LiENUS | nothing existed on fewer than three disks heh |
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| 10:16.44 | vyadhaka | dreamer: ok I am trying to setup my bluetooth stereo headset, not sure how to do it with ALSA. i had it setup in ubuntu/pulseaudio previously. I can' |
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| 10:17.01 | vyadhaka | I can't seem to work out how to under Debian |
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| 10:18.28 | nevyn | vyadhaka: I'd do it by setting up pulse. |
| 10:18.58 | nevyn | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 |
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| 10:20.39 | LiENUS | alright got my vm installed for the server on the new network |
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| 10:20.45 | LiENUS | got all my services installed |
| 10:20.52 | LiENUS | cups freeradius firebird samba |
| 10:20.57 | LiENUS | none of them configured rofl |
| 10:21.22 | nevyn | hrm radius? |
| 10:21.23 | nevyn | srsly |
| 10:21.24 | nevyn | eww |
| 10:21.40 | LiENUS | nevyn, how else do you authenticate users to wpa enterprise? |
| 10:21.53 | dreamer | hmm, seems this is deprecated? http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothAlsa |
| 10:21.59 | dreamer | I don't find bluetooth-alsa anyway |
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| 10:22.20 | vyadhaka | nevyn: so is it hard to do it with alsa? I really do not want to install pulse server just for bluetooth stereo |
| 10:22.31 | dreamer | vyadhaka: did you try installing bluez-alsa |
| 10:22.32 | dreamer | ? |
| 10:22.34 | nevyn | vyadhaka: it's more than that. |
| 10:22.35 | syslq_ | LiENUS: hard :) |
| 10:22.47 | vyadhaka | dreamer: exactly, and http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices leads no where |
| 10:22.59 | LiENUS | oh snap |
| 10:23.00 | LiENUS | squid |
| 10:23.10 | LiENUS | and it looks like freeradius wont use firebird as a backend |
| 10:23.12 | LiENUS | sooo |
| 10:23.25 | LiENUS | i guess i need to install postgresql or mysql |
| 10:23.29 | nevyn | is firebird the fedora directory server free version? |
| 10:23.35 | dreamer | vyadhaka: it seems you need bluez-alsa instead |
| 10:23.36 | LiENUS | and i forgot apache :/ |
| 10:23.42 | LiENUS | nevyn, the what? |
| 10:24.01 | dreamer | hmm, at least my sata disk is working correctly .. I guess the jumper settings of that sata-controller are even more annoying than I thought -_- |
| 10:24.09 | nevyn | ok |
| 10:24.19 | vyadhaka | dreamer: it |
| 10:24.24 | nevyn | using rdbms's as authetication core's is stupid imho |
| 10:24.26 | vyadhaka | dreamer: it's installed |
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| 10:24.34 | dreamer | the manual said to put one of the ports in 'first device' mode. but then the one without that mode isn't detected. and when I set them both the installer doesn't boot .. |
| 10:24.41 | nevyn | they're bad at it. |
| 10:24.47 | dreamer | vyadhaka: ok. I don't have any experience with it myself |
| 10:24.55 | dreamer | imho audio over bluetooth is horrible |
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| 10:25.19 | dreamer | vyadhaka: did you try the config in that guide? |
| 10:25.25 | nevyn | vyadhaka: making a bluetooth pcm visible to alsa is trivial |
| 10:25.35 | dreamer | or did you stop when the install wasn't working? |
| 10:25.37 | vyadhaka | dreamer: not if using stereo, I had it working fine under Ubuntu with Pulse. i use a Yamaha mini speaker, |
| 10:25.46 | nevyn | vyadhaka: the challenge is being able to do sensible management of things like |
| 10:25.54 | dreamer | vyadhaka: 'not if using stereo' doesn't mean anything |
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| 10:26.06 | nevyn | send everything to the bluetooth device |
| 10:26.39 | nevyn | any sort of policy based routing decisions are going to be easier in pulseaudio |
| 10:27.09 | dreamer | hugs jackd |
| 10:27.19 | dreamer | although it's not very handy for 'everyday' use |
| 10:27.33 | nevyn | jack doesn't deal with multiple cards or network audio in a sane way |
| 10:27.41 | nevyn | sorry that's harsh |
| 10:27.46 | dreamer | imho it does |
| 10:27.47 | nevyn | it's sane for jack's purpose. |
| 10:27.53 | dreamer | although I haven't played with network audio |
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| 10:28.09 | dreamer | pulse has never seemed 'sane' in its implementation |
| 10:28.12 | nevyn | it's just not sane for I want to play sound from my laptop and have it come out the speakers attached to my mediacentre |
| 10:28.13 | dreamer | was always in the way |
| 10:28.22 | dreamer | just stream it :) |
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| 10:28.57 | dreamer | pulse just feels like stitches that keep itching |
| 10:29.06 | nevyn | dreamer: it's really not. |
| 10:29.09 | dreamer | I'm just waiting for them to fall out and mend themselves :P |
| 10:29.22 | nevyn | it just solves a different problem to jack |
| 10:29.33 | dreamer | I'm not trying to directly compare the two |
| 10:29.41 | dreamer | just talking about pulse by itself |
| 10:29.51 | dreamer | anyway, the idea is good, the implementation is bad |
| 10:30.02 | dreamer | maybe it'll get better |
| 10:30.13 | dreamer | I dunno, I'll stick with alsa and jack for now :) |
| 10:30.16 | nevyn | the implementation is improving |
| 10:30.22 | nevyn | so I use pulse on my laptop |
| 10:30.51 | nevyn | and it handles me plugging in usb cards starting jack and providing sinks and sources there. |
| 10:30.55 | nevyn | so I can do things like |
| 10:30.58 | nevyn | start a skype call |
| 10:31.04 | nevyn | using my internal soundcard |
| 10:31.27 | nevyn | then want to demonstrate my new synth to someone over skype |
| 10:31.47 | nevyn | start jack. and re-route the skype input to be from jack |
| 10:31.57 | nevyn | all on the fly. |
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| 10:32.54 | dreamer | jack <3 |
| 10:33.06 | LiENUS | nevyn, umm what? |
| 10:33.13 | nevyn | except alsa -> jack is nuts |
| 10:33.18 | LiENUS | why would i use a rdbms as an authentication core? |
| 10:33.26 | LiENUS | im using freeradius for authentication |
| 10:33.28 | dreamer | nevyn: not if you just ignore alsa while running jack ;) |
| 10:33.35 | vyadhaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.40 | LiENUS | the rdbms is to store the accounting information |
| 10:33.45 | dreamer | only problem I'm currently having with alsa is with mpd :/ |
| 10:34.12 | dreamer | vyadhaka: I can't help you with this. like I said earlier: no experience (what's A2DP?) |
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| 10:34.30 | dreamer | when mpd is playing no other program can access the audio device |
| 10:34.31 | nevyn | LiENUS: oh that's sane.. |
| 10:34.49 | LiENUS | ... have you used radius? |
| 10:36.27 | nevyn | well... |
| 10:36.35 | nevyn | not in anger. |
| 10:36.47 | vyadhaka | dreamer: you said "'not if using stereo' doesn't mean anything" A2DP is a Bluetooth profile. it can handle stereo, where as HFP/HSP profiles can only do mono. Look them up, it's pretty cool. I even had Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP) working. |
| 10:37.10 | nevyn | LiENUS: I tend to use ldap.. |
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| 10:37.24 | LiENUS | i dont think ldap works with wpa enterprise |
| 10:37.29 | dreamer | vyadhaka: I have no idea what that means .. what I said was: audio over bluetooth sucks |
| 10:37.35 | dreamer | has nothing to do with mono or stereo or w/e |
| 10:37.46 | dreamer | I like my audio on wires :) |
| 10:37.51 | nevyn | LiENUS: the point was that I don't see radius as a general purpose authentication core |
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| 10:38.01 | nevyn | LiENUS: there arn't enough connectors for it. |
| 10:38.02 | LiENUS | its not |
| 10:38.03 | dreamer | doesn't use bluetooth for anything tbh |
| 10:38.08 | LiENUS | its authentication authorization and accounting |
| 10:38.10 | dreamer | well, my wii-mote when it's working .. |
| 10:38.31 | nevyn | LiENUS: right. so my preference would be to push the authentication portion of that through to an ldap system |
| 10:38.47 | vyadhaka | dreamer: completely misinformed. You should try before making such statements |
| 10:38.59 | LiENUS | so |
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| 10:39.03 | LiENUS | apt-get install freeradius-ldap |
| 10:40.02 | nevyn | vyadhaka: it is and isn't the compression used in bluetooth audio profiles (including a2dp) totally sucks at bass. |
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| 10:43.51 | vyadhaka | nevyn: I agree a2dp is not audiophile quality. but come on, A2DP with AVRCP and the ability to pause music and switch to HFP when receiving a call is awesome. |
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| 10:45.39 | SkilZ | How can I remotely control a debian desktop? with mouse and keyboard |
| 10:45.41 | SkilZ | like vnc |
| 10:45.46 | SkilZ | but through the internet |
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| 10:46.09 | dreamer | vyadhaka: there is not a single reasion why I would use audio over bluetooth. so I guess the discussion ends there :) |
| 10:46.18 | dreamer | but I hope you get it working (and hopefully without pulse ;) ) |
| 10:46.34 | SkilZ | what does the server computer have to install? |
| 10:46.34 | dreamer | SkilZ: vnc works through the internet .. |
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| 10:46.45 | SkilZ | dreamer: What package? |
| 10:46.51 | dreamer | openvnc? I dunno |
| 10:46.58 | xingu | vyadhaka: plus, not having the cord tie itself in knots - or drag over your neck (something which drives me so crazy I can't use wired headsets any more) |
| 10:47.03 | dreamer | always uses ssh and if necessary x-forwarding |
| 10:47.22 | xingu | vyadhaka: sennheiser (and a few others) have srs now, too. :) |
| 10:47.37 | dreamer | !vnc |
| 10:47.37 | dpkg | Virtual Network Computing (VNC) is a platform-independent graphical desktop sharing system (i.e. provides GUI remote access). Server packages in Debian include <tightvncserver>, <vnc4server> and <x11vnc>; "apt-cache search vnc" will list other servers and clients. Ask me about <vnc setup>, see also <x-not-vnc> for an alternative. http://wiki.debian.org/VNCviewer |
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| 10:48.19 | vyadhaka | dreamer: I am not trying to convince you. but you were trying to convince me otherwise. |
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| 10:48.31 | vyadhaka | xingu: do you use pulse or just alsa |
| 10:48.33 | Bushmills | SkilZ: run a vpn between server and client, and use any network enabled remote access service through it. including xdmcp |
| 10:48.57 | ompaul | SkilZ: openvpn, xdmcp as long as you trust the network the desktop is on. |
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| 10:49.19 | ompaul | SkilZ: it really depends on your use case. |
| 10:49.43 | xingu | vyadhaka: actually I don't use either yet; my last notebook had no bluetooth built-in, and its replacement has such nice speakers I haven't been bothered; I tether mine to my crackberry when I'm out and about. |
| 10:49.45 | nevyn | SkilZ: with.. vnc? |
| 10:49.59 | xingu | vyadhaka: maybe today's the day. :) |
| 10:50.51 | xingu | vyadhaka: I'm using vlc as a media player for the moment having gotten thoroughly fed up with totem/gstreamer's apparently incurably barfing on simple http streams; under that - it's just straight alsa, no pulse. |
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| 10:51.06 | xingu | s/bly/ble/ |
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| 10:51.38 | vyadhaka | xingu: I use skype a lot, and have only my bluetooth headset to use. my laptop does not have a mic. Thats why I need this working. |
| 10:52.12 | steampunkey | #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited o.O |
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| 10:52.27 | xingu | vyadhaka: *nod*; I'm not willing to do the contortions required to run skype on amd64, so I can't really help you there; you have my sympathies though. |
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| 10:53.54 | vyadhaka | xingu: I am not on amd64 yet, I will get it working soon. if I see you in future will let you know how-to. |
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| 10:55.15 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:55.22 | nevyn | skype works on amd64 here. |
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| 10:55.59 | ompaul | steampunkey: on oftc or freenode |
| 10:56.27 | steampunkey | ompaul: freenode. |
| 10:56.37 | ompaul | steampunkey: it is on oftc |
| 10:56.49 | steampunkey | ompaul: apparently, it is on freenode too |
| 10:57.08 | steampunkey | ompaul: many channels are. this one is only "+i" - hence the "o.O" |
| 10:57.37 | ompaul | steampunkey: it is on oftc not here there you go |
| 10:57.58 | steampunkey | -_- |
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| 10:58.47 | ompaul | steampunkey: you want to be the one person in that channel on your own asking yourself questions you can't answer ;-) go to irc.oftc.net |
| 10:59.44 | steampunkey | ompaul: i'll go to oftc. but the freenode equivalent obviously exists. unlike this channel, it's invite-only though. that's what's strange. |
| 11:00.01 | ompaul | steampunkey: it is unoccupied |
| 11:00.41 | steampunkey | ompaul: oh. seems you're right. |
| 11:00.53 | steampunkey | ompaul: unless listing is hidden from us :-P |
| 11:01.17 | ompaul | steampunkey pointless noise at this point. ;-) |
| 11:01.49 | steampunkey | ompaul: or a conspiracy of which you are a part. >:-| |
| 11:02.07 | steampunkey | possible reason: populating oftc |
| 11:05.23 | dreamer | vyadhaka: no I'm not. I'm just expressing my oppinion :) |
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| 11:05.35 | dreamer | aaarg, this 'highily experimental' driver definitely has some bugs -_- |
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| 11:06.51 | dreamer | somehow I can only use the disk that's on a port marked 'first device' |
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| 11:07.01 | dirkos | how can i upgrade my samba to 3.6? |
| 11:07.05 | NekawA | i just installed encrypted lvm, when asked for pw in cryptsetup on boot, my usb keyboard numlock goes off and i cant type |
| 11:07.08 | dreamer | so both my disks work, both ports work. but I can't use both ports at the same time -_- |
| 11:07.12 | dirkos | i dont want to put my squeeze in experimental tbh |
| 11:07.40 | NekawA | any mods i can insmod to make usb work |
| 11:08.03 | NekawA | it does work in grub2 |
| 11:08.25 | wols | !tell dirkos about ssb |
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| 11:36.35 | benedikt | is there a way to look up what packages i have installed from a certain repo? |
| 11:37.00 | ham5 | synaptic is pretty easy for that, if you use it.. :) |
| 11:37.14 | ham5 | talking about cli i take it? |
| 11:37.20 | benedikt | yup |
| 11:37.39 | benedikt | but it is a desktop so i could install synaptic. would be nice to know the cli way too though |
| 11:39.14 | mjt | http://ganneff.de/apt-listrepository |
| 11:39.50 | benedikt | handy |
| 11:40.17 | ham5 | sux u need a script, i thought apt-cache would handel it |
| 11:40.35 | mjt | it's not apt-cache's job |
| 11:40.43 | mjt | but yes, it's not standard |
| 11:40.52 | benedikt | im now more humourously disappointed that i will need perl now |
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| 11:41.12 | mjt | you need perl for apt too |
| 11:41.14 | ham5 | perls standard stuff |
| 11:41.26 | benedikt | i know, hence the 'homourously' :) |
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| 12:04.37 | emilsedgh | im trying to move to kernel 3.0 (from 2.6.32). i installed it, but it says: dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 3.0.0-1-amd64: nvidia (270.41.06)...failed. any idea what can i do about it? (i installed kernel headers) |
| 12:05.05 | benedikt | have you installed nvidia drivers manually? |
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| 12:05.35 | benedikt | this is saying that the auto-installation mechanism for the nvidia module (version 270..) failed for the new kernel |
| 12:06.16 | emilsedgh | ok, how can i do that for newer kernel? i used m-a to build it for 2.6.32 |
| 12:06.40 | emilsedgh | and im currently running 2.6.32 now. can i run on 2.6.32 but use m-a to build it for 3.0? |
| 12:06.59 | benedikt | no idea, you probably need a newer version if it is released. or use the free nvidia drivers |
| 12:07.04 | emilsedgh | runs man m-a |
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| 12:08.58 | Nebukadneza | after upgrading a oldstable box to current stable, with a postgresql update from 8.3 to 8.4 i get a "SQL error "58P01" - ERROR: could not access file "$libdir/plpgsql": No such file or directory"" with one of my applications using postgres (davical, a php caldav/carddav server application) |
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| 12:17.24 | Kromgol | Is there anything called LVM hell? If not, i'll make it up now |
| 12:17.58 | becker_11 | hi if I apt-get install sudo on a brand new debian 6 install will that set everything up so it works correctly or will I have to configure it via visudo?? |
| 12:18.44 | mjt | it can't magically know what _you_ think is correct. |
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| 12:19.37 | ham5 | :) |
| 12:20.07 | becker_11 | mjt: well there is only 1 user account so I was hoping it would add that user account to the sudoers file on install |
| 12:20.44 | ham5 | it adds sudo group to the command... you can look at the conf to see what correct is. |
| 12:21.13 | ham5 | not hard to modify looking at whats setup, and examples within the file. |
| 12:21.18 | becker_11 | okay thanks ham5 |
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| 12:22.36 | mjt | actually, sudo is one of the most difficult things to understand |
| 12:22.52 | mjt | usually users end with having allowing all for all |
| 12:23.01 | dreamer | how can I see which version of a driver is used in a particular kernel? |
| 12:23.18 | mjt | "a driver" ? |
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| 12:23.41 | becker_11 | mjt: 1 small step on a path to greater things, I am setting up a cli only eee pc for fun |
| 12:23.54 | mjt | maybe modinfo is what you want. it will tell you the module is compiled against your current kernel... |
| 12:24.08 | becker_11 | mjt: 1st sudo then wireless :-) |
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| 12:24.36 | dreamer | mjt: specifically inic162x |
| 12:25.11 | becker_11 | a fly had drowned in my coffee #notimpressed |
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| 12:28.18 | mjt | dreamer: you've all source for your kernel, you may look there for the version number. But besides, I've no idea why version number of any particular driver is interesting, as long as they all are parts of the same kernel... |
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| 12:30.27 | dreamer | mjt: well, I'm just wondering if there is a newer version in newer kernels. considering the one in squeeze 6.0.2 (2.6.32-5-486) isn't working properly |
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| 12:43.03 | becker_11 | I've no idea how to word this question so I hope you understand me anyway I want to set up wireless on my laptop & connect to my router I'm running cli only and I'm not sure if I have all the right apps to installed to make it happen |
| 12:44.27 | v_v | hi. i got some ABI errors when trying to install oracle 11g database 64bit on debian squeeze , google tells 'compat-libstdc++-**' packages can solve that in some dist like rhel. no more compat-libstdc++ in debian ? |
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| 12:48.47 | becker_11 | ok I'm happy to use google but at the moment I'm having trouble finding the right info maybe if someone could give me the name of the program I need then I can google that and go from there |
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| 12:52.14 | becker_11 | Okay can I use ifupdown/ |
| 12:52.16 | becker_11 | ? |
| 12:52.31 | vyadhaka | is there a way to disable SSH from starting at boot. |
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| 12:54.37 | epsilon | vyadhaka: update.rc-d |
| 12:55.11 | epsilon | vyadhaka: alternativly block 22 tcp with iptables |
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| 12:57.37 | becker_11 | okay a ifconfig shows me the wlan0 interface is recognised. Where do I go from here to create a connection?? |
| 12:57.43 | Zathara | When you plug the headset can not mute the speakers of the notebook ... the sound is emitted from two channels at once, can someone help me? |
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| 13:00.35 | becker_11 | okay so I'm installing wicd-curses it seems this will do the trick |
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| 13:03.55 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 13:04.00 | becker_11 | okay wicd isn't showing a wlan interface does that mean the driver isn't installed?? |
| 13:04.06 | becker_11 | Hey mah454 |
| 13:04.15 | mah454 | I need Document for Compiling XEN on linux-2.6.38.2 ... |
| 13:04.29 | benedikt | does anyone have any ugesstions for software to use t keep your documents on two computers? |
| 13:04.40 | becker_11 | benedikt: dropbox |
| 13:04.44 | sumanah | sparkleshare? |
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| 13:04.54 | sumanah | (the open source dropbox alternative) |
| 13:05.01 | dvs | becker_11: If wicd isn't showing a wlan0 and ifconfig is, then you have to comment out any refernces of wlan0 out of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:05.11 | benedikt | becker_11: dropbox is wonderfully from a usability perspective but i have my doubts about the security and how they store my data |
| 13:05.33 | benedikt | last time i checked out sparkleshare t wasnt really stable |
| 13:05.36 | sumanah | benedikt: so, rsync then? |
| 13:05.42 | becker_11 | benedikt: thats for you to decided I simply answered your question |
| 13:06.42 | becker_11 | dvs: that file isn't showing any wireless interfaces |
| 13:07.07 | sumanah | benedikt: there's always Ubuntu One :/ |
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| 13:07.21 | sumanah | laughs grimly |
| 13:07.22 | dvs | becker_11: What chipset is your wireless? |
| 13:07.28 | Zathara | When you plug the headset can not mute the speakers of the notebook ... the sound is emitted from two channels at once, can someone help me? |
| 13:07.35 | becker_11 | benedikt: otherwise use an external harddrive |
| 13:07.58 | sumanah | Zathara: you've already looked at the various sound preferences? |
| 13:08.15 | becker_11 | dvs: ather something |
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| 13:08.35 | dvs | ??? |
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| 13:09.01 | becker_11 | dvs: atheros |
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| 13:09.47 | becker_11 | although I should probably scan it to make sure (if I knew how) |
| 13:10.03 | benedikt | i think im going to go with vanilla git |
| 13:10.13 | dvs | becker_11: Does "iwlist wlan0 scanning" print anything? |
| 13:10.47 | Zathara | sumanah: gnome-volume-control or alsamixer only shown me is a sound device |
| 13:11.07 | becker_11 | dvs: it sure does a whole ton of stuff |
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| 13:11.29 | becker_11 | dvs: it found my essis |
| 13:11.31 | becker_11 | dvs: it found my essid |
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| 13:12.07 | dvs | becker_11: Then it's just a configuration problem (and I don't use wicd) |
| 13:12.28 | becker_11 | dvs: no worries thanks for your help to this point |
| 13:12.34 | dvs | np |
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| 13:13.40 | mah454 | I need Document for Compiling XEN on linux-2.6.38.2 ... |
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| 13:16.40 | squid | hello all |
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| 13:21.01 | amero | how do you redirect all requests from lan to port 80, to squid proxy server on one the pc in that lan? |
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| 13:21.38 | cusco | amero: is the router a debian box? |
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| 13:23.59 | amero | nope |
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| 13:26.00 | amero | right now all http requests from lan pass directly through a router |
| 13:26.09 | cusco | amero: well I don't know what kind of solution you're looking for perhaps you should read the squid wiki on transparent proxy |
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| 13:26.43 | cusco | amero: either you can add a iptables rule to the router to redirect all in port 80 to whatever IP:whatever PORT |
| 13:27.04 | cusco | or configure each lan pc to do that |
| 13:27.23 | cusco | you can also set a debian box on the lan as a gateway |
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| 13:29.08 | amero | hmm setting up a redirect at router sounds easier for me |
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| 13:31.57 | amero | should i use prerouting or postrouting here? |
| 13:32.33 | Kromgol | How do i reinstall Grub2 so that it points to another partition? |
| 13:32.37 | Kromgol | As to where it's files are located |
| 13:34.36 | Kromgol | Is it just grub-install /dev/sdX? |
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| 13:40.13 | babilen | Kromgol: Yes, but you should run "update-grub2" before that. Make sure that os-prober is installed if you have other operating systems on the box and want them to be discovered. |
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| 13:42.29 | dvs | doesn't like being "probered" |
| 13:42.57 | becker_11 | Does anyone have experience with wicd?? |
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| 13:43.16 | Kromgol | babilen: Well, i did grub-install /dev/sdc before running update-grub. But seems to work fine. |
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| 13:44.38 | babilen | becker_11: Yes, but note that it is not developed anymore. (which really is a shame) |
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| 13:44.55 | trnzmeta | zzzz time |
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| 13:45.30 | cusco | amero: prerouting |
| 13:45.45 | cusco | what router is that? |
| 13:45.57 | becker_11 | babilen: damn I didn't know that. I'm trying to setup wireless through the cli |
| 13:47.46 | babilen | becker_11: wicd is a good tool for that (wicd-curses that is) |
| 13:48.04 | becker_11 | babilen: I get a no wireless networks found message in wicd-curses but iwconfig sees my essid so I'm confused |
| 13:48.37 | babilen | becker_11: You have to configure wicd to use the correct wireless interface and it is also not working with all chipsets |
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| 13:48.55 | dvs | babilen: wicd isn't being developed anymore? So many people like it. |
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| 13:49.28 | becker_11 | babilen: maybe it's a chipset thing then (off to google) |
| 13:49.34 | cusco | becker_11: you should try just cope with wpa_supplicant read the conf example provided in docs, just edit the last stanza that should work with most wpa wifi networks |
| 13:49.54 | cusco | (in my opinion) |
| 13:50.22 | cusco | 'iwconfig' should tell you if your wifi card is working |
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| 13:50.48 | cusco | and after wpa_supplicant you can just use dhclient or interfaces file |
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| 13:52.07 | becker_11 | cusco: yeah iwconfig shows its working and its recognised my essid |
| 13:52.08 | babilen | dvs: Sadly yes, I am not entirely sure about the status. Check #wicd's /topic and ask in that channel for details. |
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| 13:53.17 | babilen | becker_11: wpa-supplicant is a good alternative if you don't have any GUI ; read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz for details. |
| 13:53.51 | dvs | becker_11: That's what I use with my Atheros. |
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| 13:55.12 | becker_11 | thanks babilen dvs I'll go read up on it now |
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| 14:09.46 | vyadhaka | how to find what date I installed Debian? what log do I need to look in? |
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| 14:10.14 | stepkrav | wols, i suppose so. its a fresh installation |
| 14:10.51 | bars0 | Hi all. I've attached USB 2.5'' WD drive. I'm using Debian stable. Is there any option to shutdown this drive when it is not i use? |
| 14:11.11 | wols | vyadhaka: look at creation time of your /usr for example? |
| 14:11.26 | dvs | bars0: umount? |
| 14:11.37 | wols | bars0: unmount it and hdparm can spin it down afaik |
| 14:11.59 | wols | stepkrav: unless you tell us more how you connect to the network we cannot help you |
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| 14:13.08 | stepkrav | either network manager or dhcp overwrites resolv.conf. |
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| 14:14.58 | bars0 | wols: is it necessary to umount the drive? It is attached to little old box (HP terminal) and the purpose was that it will be home storage available for all in home via SAMBA. |
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| 14:16.25 | iluminator101 | How would you add geolocation to a database? |
| 14:17.12 | wols | bars0: not necessary no, but every access will wake it up again. and sometimes system accesds it periodically on its own, which sucks. just try it mounted |
| 14:17.31 | wols | iluminator101: makes no sense. WHAT is geolocated? |
| 14:17.49 | wols | and latitude and longitude is generally what is used for geolocation |
| 14:18.14 | iluminator101 | wols exactly |
| 14:18.32 | ScottG | what does running 'aptitude install' without a package name do? |
| 14:18.46 | wols | ScottG: why don't you try? |
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| 14:19.28 | iluminator101 | permission to pm |
| 14:19.36 | iluminator101 | wols permission to pm |
| 14:20.01 | wols | only if it's actually debian related |
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| 14:20.17 | vyadhaka | wols: is it ls -lc that gives the creation time? |
| 14:20.38 | babilen | iluminator101: Read about PostGIS for example -- But that is not really a Debian issue. |
| 14:21.08 | ScottG | wols: I did. That is why I am asking here. I don't understand wht it did. |
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| 14:22.25 | vyadhaka | wols: ls only has option for last modified time but I cannot find one for creation time, is there any other commnad |
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| 14:23.46 | An_Ony_Moose | I need to install debian on a laptop with no CD drive or ability to boot from USB. So far, I've installed the system, kernel and GRUB using debootstrap on a different computer. I need to install GRUB's MBR now, but can't find a file containing it. Where is said file? Or alternatively, can anyone tell me a better way of doing this? |
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| 14:25.28 | wols | sorry. check your lost+found directory. I think it displays the time the filesystem was created |
| 14:25.44 | wols | ctime is change time. I always erroneously think it as creation time. mea culpa |
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| 14:26.28 | wols | An_Ony_Moose: on this other computer, make it so that the disk is sda and BIOS disk 0x80. aka, make it so it is the only disk |
| 14:26.54 | wols | then install grub normally and move the harddisk back to the rube goldberg system |
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| 14:30.21 | vyadhaka | wols: no I created a mnt folder manually it has older date than lost+found, any other ideas? |
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| 14:31.35 | An_Ony_Moose | wols: how am I supposed to do that? |
| 14:31.48 | An_Ony_Moose | wols: as in how am I supposed to boot the other computer in that state? |
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| 14:32.50 | wols | other computer has a cd rom, no? |
| 14:33.14 | An_Ony_Moose | wols: no >_> |
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| 14:33.32 | An_Ony_Moose | is it not possible to install it from a running debian installation? |
| 14:33.48 | wols | it probably is with lots of device.map fiddling |
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| 14:33.55 | wols | !fixgrub |
| 14:33.55 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 14:34.42 | An_Ony_Moose | ah right |
| 14:34.43 | An_Ony_Moose | thanks |
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| 14:41.46 | _Dave123_ | I've just formatted my debian webserver (normally running 10 simple php sites - some use sql, and mailbox) and am looking to set it up again from scratch.. I'm looking for some advice/plan/tutorial.. does anybody know some good? |
| 14:42.33 | wols | !lamp |
| 14:42.33 | dpkg | LAMP: Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server. Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?), or "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql". http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp |
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| 14:42.59 | _Dave123_ | wols: I also need a mail server |
| 14:43.11 | babilen | _Dave123_: exim4 is installed by default |
| 14:44.05 | _Dave123_ | Yes, but to set it up, and add sites/accounts and so on |
| 14:44.19 | _Dave123_ | I think a site control panel is more efficient |
| 14:45.13 | wols | _Dave123_: http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze |
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| 14:46.06 | jelly-home | yay postfix |
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| 14:47.56 | _Dave123_ | wols: thanks that last tutorial looks good |
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| 14:49.07 | lord_rob | Hi ! What package contains java browser plugin ? |
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| 14:49.22 | wols | !tell lord_rob about install java |
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| 14:49.44 | SkilZ | any way to change the console resoultion? |
| 14:49.50 | SkilZ | or even the font size? |
| 14:50.13 | skiy1337 | A program refuses to operate unless inside a terminal. How can I redirect its input? |
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| 14:52.38 | jelly-home | skiy1337: which program and how does it fail without a tty |
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| 14:54.19 | skiy1337 | jell, It's a python script, namely "reportbug". It just runs silently when I pipe it |
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| 14:55.28 | Hadoken | hi people |
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| 14:56.21 | Hadoken | i need some help the syslog |
| 14:56.30 | Hadoken | i need some help on the syslog |
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| 14:56.55 | Hadoken | i'm getting this msg rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="4.6.4" x-pid="1165" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] rsyslogd was HUPed, type 'lightweight'. |
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| 14:57.12 | Hadoken | and i'm missing some logs informations |
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| 14:59.25 | Polysics | hello |
| 14:59.42 | Polysics | will a DEbian install on an USB key be usable? maybe with a light WM if it changes anything |
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| 15:02.32 | jelly-home | skiy1337: what would you expect it to do? It's an interactive tool |
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| 15:03.20 | Polysics | i have a machine i am not allowed to install anything on, yet i would like to use Linux |
| 15:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | Polysics: Yes. |
| 15:04.03 | Polysics | i suppose the alternatives are an USB key and something like a Wubi install |
| 15:04.11 | Polysics | but a Wubi install is still an install |
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| 15:05.05 | llua | @Polysics, you answered your own question. |
| 15:05.17 | llua | :} |
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| 15:09.07 | Polysics | is anyone here using the Windows Loader? i found out i can use that as long as i do not make a partition |
| 15:09.29 | SkilZ | Why isn't framebuffer enabled in Debian? I remember one release years back which had framebuffer enabled with a little penguin in the top left of the console. Any idea of the release? |
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| 15:13.18 | Polysics | last thing: is there any reason to use,say, Puppy over Debian, given an 8Gb flash drive? |
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| 15:19.15 | LiENUS | ok existing debian install |
| 15:19.21 | LiENUS | added a serial getty |
| 15:19.25 | LiENUS | serial stuff to grub |
| 15:19.33 | LiENUS | now i get a few kernel messages then none |
| 15:19.41 | LiENUS | and none of the services go to serial either |
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| 15:22.00 | babilen | removes LiENUS enter key and hands over a few punctuation characters |
| 15:22.13 | LiENUS | stabs babilen in the eye with the enter key |
| 15:22.35 | LiENUS | removes babilen's tab key and stabs him in the other eye with it |
| 15:22.42 | SkilZ | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/IanMurdock.jpg |
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| 15:23.32 | mosted | Hello, i have a problem with my net install. I can update from internet with apt-get. |
| 15:23.44 | mosted | I'm connected , i can ping google |
| 15:24.06 | mosted | during the installation, i stay blocked at 37 % |
| 15:24.47 | wols | !tell mosted about bat |
| 15:25.01 | mosted | !tell bat |
| 15:25.12 | LiENUS | who is bat? |
| 15:25.25 | LiENUS | !tell LiENUS about bat |
| 15:25.32 | mosted | lol |
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| 15:25.34 | babilen | LiENUS: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 15:25.52 | LiENUS | wtf |
| 15:25.57 | LiENUS | do you have another tab key or something? |
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| 15:26.54 | babilen | LiENUS: I know it is hard, but try to focus on technical support in here. If you want to chat or discuss something else do it in #debian-offtopic please. |
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| 15:27.39 | LiENUS | babilen, I know it is hard, but try to focus on technical support in here. If you want to chat or discuss something else do it in #debian-offtopic please. like for reals i've seen you do nothing but yammer on and distract others from assisting legitimate problems |
| 15:27.47 | babilen | mosted: You should have received a private message from dpkg which specifies the information we need in order to debug your issue. |
| 15:28.02 | mosted | ok i understand |
| 15:28.14 | babilen | mosted: Did you receive it? |
| 15:28.17 | mosted | yes |
| 15:28.29 | babilen | Great, we wait for the URL to the paste then :) |
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| 15:31.28 | babilen | mosted: Ah, you mean this happens during a new installation? If so: Please check the other consoles (alt-2/3/4) for errors and additional information. |
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| 15:32.37 | mosted | babilen, yes it's during a new installation |
| 15:32.51 | mosted | so i continue without uptdating from server |
| 15:33.05 | mosted | but now, i can't install stuff like samba or others |
| 15:33.20 | mosted | when i put "apt-get update" |
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| 15:33.33 | mosted | it can't connect to security.debian.org |
| 15:33.33 | babilen | mosted: Show us in a pastebin please. |
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| 15:33.53 | mosted | it's in a VMWARE machine, i can't copy past |
| 15:34.06 | babilen | mosted: Can you ping it? Is name resolution working? |
| 15:34.27 | mosted | yes i can. I tried with CMD in window, and it work |
| 15:34.33 | LiENUS | mosted, can you ssh in? |
| 15:34.35 | mosted | and from my debian , i can ping google |
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| 15:35.09 | mosted | LiENUS, i can't because ssh is not installed |
| 15:35.49 | LiENUS | mosted, what vmware product are you using? |
| 15:35.53 | LiENUS | sorry forgot you were still installing |
| 15:36.12 | mosted | LiENUS, it's 6.5 VMWARE |
| 15:36.38 | babilen | mosted: What about security.debian.org ? |
| 15:36.39 | LiENUS | so |
| 15:36.44 | LiENUS | esx server? player? what? |
| 15:36.57 | mosted | VMWAre workstation |
| 15:38.03 | mosted | look a this > http://projet87.lescigales.org/debian.jpg |
| 15:38.10 | mosted | it's in french sorry |
| 15:38.42 | mosted | it say that it's impossible to connect |
| 15:39.20 | LiENUS | mosted, are you familiar with redirecting output? |
| 15:39.29 | mosted | not really |
| 15:39.30 | babilen | mosted: Can you ping security.debian.org? Can you access http://security.debian.org in browser? Does "wget http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/Release.gpg" download the file? |
| 15:39.31 | mosted | what is it ? |
| 15:39.40 | mosted | babilen, i will try |
| 15:39.44 | LiENUS | mosted, http://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_devices3.html#1023783 go ahead and configure a serial port and set it to output to a file |
| 15:39.56 | LiENUS | in vmware |
| 15:40.27 | pfred1 | LiENUS wow what decade is that from? |
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| 15:40.35 | mosted | babilen, i can ping it |
| 15:40.36 | LiENUS | then follow the instructions dpkg pm'd you and at the end of the commands you need to copy/paste output to put >> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 15:40.56 | LiENUS | following that open up the file you configured the serial port to write to |
| 15:41.00 | LiENUS | and paste that into pastebin |
| 15:41.10 | LiENUS | pfred1, ? what? |
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| 15:41.21 | babilen | mosted: It also very much looks as if it is trying to connect to ipv6 -- Please try to disable for a moment (/msg dpkg noipv6) and test with that setting. |
| 15:41.26 | pfred1 | LiENUS serial ports went the way of the dodo bird |
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| 15:41.40 | LiENUS | pfred1, weird because every single server i have at work AND my router all make heavy use of them |
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| 15:42.01 | pfred1 | LiENUS emphasis on heavy |
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| 15:42.12 | LiENUS | makes it a whole lot easier to remotely administer the systemswhen there might be a network outage |
| 15:42.48 | LiENUS | and since at present i'm in the middle of restructuring the network its quite likely a conflaguration could be borked denying me network access remotely |
| 15:43.09 | LiENUS | hell even if im in the office it saves me from having to get the keys out to unlock the rack to get a physical terminal up |
| 15:43.50 | LiENUS | and in this instance it provides a way for him to paste output from commands to make discovering the source of his problem easier |
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| 15:44.43 | mosted | security.debian.org doesn't work > http://projet87.lescigales.org/debian2.jpg |
| 15:46.31 | pfred1 | LiENUS the good news is as time marches on there is such a thing as a USB console today |
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| 15:46.57 | LiENUS | pfred1, you mean a usb serial emulator? |
| 15:47.03 | babilen | mosted: Could you run the command with "LANG=C" prefixed to it? "LANG=C apt-get update" |
| 15:47.06 | LiENUS | does that work over lan? |
| 15:47.19 | pfred1 | LiENUS I don't know I just googled it |
| 15:47.46 | LiENUS | pfred1, i'm using a udp serial console it lets me even go into my bios |
| 15:47.52 | LiENUS | somehow i suspect the usb one wont |
| 15:48.02 | pfred1 | LiENUS but seriously serial ports are a thing of the past for new PCs |
| 15:48.11 | LiENUS | pfred1, you better tell dell that |
| 15:48.23 | LiENUS | because the server i got 3 days ago from them has two serial ports |
| 15:48.41 | pfred1 | LiENUS why? what does Dell have to do with anything? |
| 15:48.47 | LiENUS | and even does crazy things like redirect the output of one over the lan for me to log in to remotely |
| 15:49.09 | LiENUS | pfred1, because they're still selling brand spankin new servers with serial ports |
| 15:49.32 | LiENUS | i even have a machine at work with no graphics card or keyboard at all |
| 15:49.35 | babilen | mosted: And could you wget the file I mentioned earlier? |
| 15:49.42 | LiENUS | i did the entire installation and setup over serial port :O |
| 15:50.01 | babilen | mosted: Ah, apparently not. |
| 15:50.06 | LiENUS | except... it wasnt a physical serial port it was entirely emulated exactly like i was sugesting he do |
| 15:50.34 | LiENUS | so i'm not sure how any of this is relevant or helps anyone solve their problems |
| 15:50.38 | mosted | babilen > http://projet87.lescigales.org/debian3.jpg |
| 15:50.42 | pfred1 | LiENUS I see so just because a specific subset of a group makes your point you'll gladly cite it OK |
| 15:50.44 | mosted | it doesnt |
| 15:51.03 | LiENUS | mosted, lol it probably would help you so you wouldnt have to keep taking screenshots for us |
| 15:51.22 | babilen | mosted: Do you have to use a http proxy of some kind? Can you open http://security.debian.org in a web browser? |
| 15:51.38 | n0sq | i'm using knetworkmanager to setup my wireless network but my browser starts up and tries to connect to the homepage before the network has a chance to come up. would it be better to manually configure /etc/network/interfaces and use that to bring up the network before a user can login? |
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| 15:52.03 | mosted | babilen, with debian? because i haven't any browser, it's a very basic version, it's netinstall |
| 15:52.18 | mosted | otherweise i can open it under windows |
| 15:52.26 | LiENUS | babilen, don't forget he still doesnt have an installed system |
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| 15:52.47 | babilen | LiENUS: mosted does AFAIUI |
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| 15:52.59 | mosted | LiENUS, right |
| 15:53.10 | LiENUS | babilen, then theres a major language barrier issue between you and him |
| 15:53.15 | babilen | mosted: This is in a busybox shell? |
| 15:53.27 | mosted | babilen, right |
| 15:53.32 | babilen | ah, ok |
| 15:53.49 | mosted | maybe it's because i have a router, and it's a different port for apt-get |
| 15:53.57 | mosted | is it possible ? |
| 15:54.05 | mosted | because a can ping |
| 15:54.16 | mosted | is it different port ? |
| 15:54.51 | babilen | mosted: Well, install a minimal system (or use CD1 for that) and lets work on the actual system. Just don't install any tasks or use a different image. And you don't have to use a http proxy in windows, you can download the Release.gpg file just fine within windows? |
| 15:55.12 | babilen | mosted: It is a different kind of traffic (icmp, tcp) |
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| 15:55.47 | mosted | ok i will install the CD1 |
| 15:55.58 | Waxhead1 | I am using the amd64 port. is there no need to specify the architecture on a sources.list ? |
| 15:56.09 | Waxhead1 | err.... IN a sources.list |
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| 15:56.19 | babilen | mosted: It might also be due to the way your network is configured in vmware. |
| 15:56.58 | babilen | Waxhead1: No, there is not. dpkg knows it. (dpkg --print-architecture). You wouldn't need more than a single architecture anyway so there is no need to explicitly specify it. |
| 15:57.04 | mosted | in vmware i choose a specific virtual network : VMNet 8 (NAT) |
| 15:57.35 | Waxhead1 | babilen: I do run apt-mirror for both 32 and 64 bit ;) and I run both. But thanks a lot for the verification ;) |
| 15:58.07 | babilen | Waxhead1: Ok :) |
| 15:58.24 | Waxhead1 | babilen: groovy... take care and thanks a lot! |
| 15:58.34 | mosted | let's go ! CD1 starting download.. |
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| 15:58.55 | SkilZ | Can I get Gnome without all the software? |
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| 15:59.05 | SkilZ | just the the wm |
| 15:59.12 | SkilZ | basic gnome |
| 15:59.46 | LiENUS | SkilZ, you mean metacity? |
| 15:59.51 | LiENUS | or enlightenment? |
| 16:00.04 | SkilZ | gnome-core or gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 16:00.06 | LiENUS | or icewm? |
| 16:00.14 | SkilZ | LiENUS: I said gnome |
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| 16:00.21 | chops1 | SkilZ: You don't have to install every gnome app to install gnome, if that's what you're asking |
| 16:00.22 | LiENUS | gnome is all the software |
| 16:00.24 | babilen | !tell SkilZ -about install gnome |
| 16:00.26 | SkilZ | 'gnome' is a 300mb+ download. |
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| 16:00.37 | mosted | why there is 40 cd to download ? |
| 16:00.39 | babilen | LiENUS: There are different metapackages, gnome-session being the smallest. |
| 16:00.55 | babilen | mosted: Those 40 CDs contain *all* packages in Debian main |
| 16:01.09 | mosted | ok |
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| 16:02.11 | chops1 | mosted: You don't need all of them, or even a small fraction. Use the net installer and download packages from the net when you need to install them. It's very rare for someone to want to download all the potentially-installable Debian packages in main. |
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| 16:03.05 | SkilZ | Any reason why when I mouse over cairo-dock part of my apps near it get hidden by the wallpaper? |
| 16:03.10 | SkilZ | Im using Fluxbox |
| 16:03.26 | LiENUS | chops1, he was just instructed not to use net install due to some possibly ipv6 related problems |
| 16:03.52 | chops1 | LiENUS: Oops, back to shutting up now :-) |
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| 16:04.28 | SkilZ | http://ompldr.org/vOXlxYQ/screen.png |
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| 16:05.21 | SkilZ | when I mouse-over the dock icons a portion of anything near them is covered by my wallpaper |
| 16:05.50 | LiENUS | anyone here know how i can get debian to output all bootup messages over console? |
| 16:05.58 | LiENUS | err serial console |
| 16:06.12 | LiENUS | grub goes to serial console, i get a few kernel messages but then the starting services messages dont show up |
| 16:06.21 | LiENUS | and i get nothing till getty is launched for my login |
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| 16:07.24 | LiENUS | http://pastebin.com/E417mZdK |
| 16:07.30 | LiENUS | thats the jist of my serial console output |
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| 16:07.59 | LiENUS | and its annoying because drbd is hitting a wait timeout for a peer that doesnt even have debian installed on it yet but i have to configure it for that peer now |
| 16:08.13 | LiENUS | and i cant bypass the wait timeout if i dont have it putting that on my console |
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| 16:08.43 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. Is there anyone in here who's using two monitors and have the latest parcellite installed? I think I have found a silly bug... |
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| 16:10.31 | tabakhase | hm, could u verify that "Server version: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian)" is safe regarding the range bug? |
| 16:11.41 | LiENUS | aha found it put the kernel console= lines in the wrong order |
| 16:12.03 | LiENUS | missing a ton of kernel messages i think but im getting services lines |
| 16:12.27 | LiENUS | ty for the help |
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| 16:17.17 | chops1 | Ugh. I'm still trying to get cgi-shell to work on my shared hosting, and now I've determined that it's willing to let shell scripts exec binaries in /bin, but not binaries in cgi-bin (or something... anyway, copying /bin/ls into cgi-bin/ and trying to exec it from there results in the same problems I'm getting when I try to run the cgi-shell server) |
| 16:18.17 | chops1 | I can sort of understand them not wanting to allow things like this for security reasons (which is why I haven't been calling their support and asking about it), but for me this is a big PITA. I _can_ exec CGI scripts, obviously, so if it wasn't a separate C executable everything would be working fine. Short of coding my own half-assed cgi-shell in a perl CGI script, can anyone see a good solution? |
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| 16:28.42 | SkilZ | How can I changethe gnome menu icon? |
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| 16:31.15 | mosted | babilen |
| 16:31.21 | mosted | it's the same with CD1 |
| 16:31.27 | mosted | impossible to connect |
| 16:31.35 | mosted | security.debian.org |
| 16:31.55 | deus_machina | Has anyone succeeded in getting the Windows/OSX application called "VitalSource Bookshelf" working on Debian? I've installed Wine and Mono, but I just keep getting the Mono error, "The entry point method could not be loaded" |
| 16:32.38 | Arafangion | deus_machina: Does the application work in mono? |
| 16:32.54 | Arafangion | deus_machina: And are you running mono in wine? |
| 16:34.47 | deus_machina | I'm running it in Mono under Wine (wine complained that it needed Mono to run it in wine, due to being a .NET 4 application) and it doesn't seem to work. Should I just try straight Mono? |
| 16:35.54 | deus_machina | Never mind, tried that and it didn't work either. |
| 16:36.10 | Arafangion | If it was a pure .NET application, it would work just as well in either case. |
| 16:36.15 | Arafangion | Can't you install .NET 4 in wine? |
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| 16:37.18 | Arafangion | Also, which version of mono? |
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| 16:37.35 | deus_machina | I did, but the wine executable still complained that it needed a version of mono >= 2.8. |
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| 16:38.38 | Arafangion | deus_machina: Well, email the software team that produces that program for a debian version. |
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| 16:38.57 | Arafangion | deus_machina: If they have a mac version, they should be able to fairly trivially get it going on debian. |
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| 16:39.49 | deus_machina | Arafangion: Oh? I know nothing about this...time to use the Googles... |
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| 16:40.31 | el_inventor | good afternon |
| 16:40.33 | el_inventor | :P |
| 16:40.42 | el_inventor | hecdiel estas??? |
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| 16:41.29 | Arafangion | tries to be smart, and therefore responds... In spanish or whatever el_inventor is speaking: |
| 16:41.37 | Arafangion | el_inventor: !?!??! !?!?!! :) |
| 16:41.47 | chops1 | !es |
| 16:41.48 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:42.30 | el_inventor | dpkg, jejeje... si, to sé... |
| 16:42.30 | dpkg | el_inventor: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:42.42 | el_inventor | solo estoy buscando a una persona.. |
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| 16:43.41 | mah454 | what package install x11 headers ? |
| 16:43.42 | el_inventor | Arafangion, i now, i just i am searching a person.. |
| 16:43.44 | mah454 | what package install x11 headers ? |
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| 16:46.32 | pfred1 | mah454 this may be of some help aptitude search xorg | grep dev |
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| 16:50.16 | jeremym | is there a debian bsd channel? |
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| 16:50.48 | mah454 | jeremym i think not different ... ! |
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| 16:53.08 | jeremym | ? |
| 16:53.10 | Arafangion | jeremym: I don't think so - there might be, but #debian is probably it, there. |
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| 16:53.23 | Arafangion | jeremym: Assuming you're talking about the kfreebsd port or whatever. |
| 16:53.39 | Arafangion | jeremym: You're probably better off asking on some mailing list, however. |
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| 17:08.11 | jelly-home | !kfreebsd |
| 17:08.12 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:08.46 | Arafangion | That channel is as good as dead. |
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| 17:09.15 | jelly-home | Arafangion: oh noes! An irc channel idle on weekends! |
| 17:09.24 | Arafangion | It's a travesty. :( |
| 17:09.27 | jelly-home | alert the authorities |
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| 17:11.06 | Arafangion | jelly-home: They've only just woken up to the realisation that social media might be able to save lives. (In the context of distributing information during a disaster) |
| 17:11.40 | Arafangion | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-social-networker-20110827-1jf9q.html |
| 17:11.43 | Arafangion | It's quite sad. |
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| 17:11.58 | jelly-home | Arafangion: you might want to visit #debian-offtopic with that |
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| 17:12.48 | chops1 | hecdiel: el_inventor was looking for you |
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| 17:15.50 | antiwire | hey, what mechanism is making the permissions of manually mounted cifs shares take on group ownership of avahi-autoipd ? |
| 17:16.03 | antiwire | Where can I tune the group that mount uses? |
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| 17:17.22 | Arafangion | antiwire: That would be the mechanism which you're using in order to manually mount the cifs share. |
| 17:18.13 | antiwire | Arafangion: mount -t cifs -o user=xxx,pass=yyy //serverip/sharename /mountpoint |
| 17:18.54 | antiwire | when I run that on the client to mount the share, the client automatically sets the group to avahi-autoipd. |
| 17:19.01 | antiwire | I'm not telling mount to do that. |
| 17:19.39 | Arafangion | As a guess, I'd assume it's makign use of unix extensions. |
| 17:19.47 | Arafangion | Which is a samba thing. |
| 17:20.50 | antiwire | how is it a samba thing? |
| 17:21.40 | Arafangion | antiwire: Well, it's not likely to be a microsoft thing, is it? |
| 17:21.47 | antiwire | ? |
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| 17:22.12 | Arafangion | samba implements cifs. |
| 17:22.17 | Arafangion | For non-microsoft systems. |
| 17:22.47 | antiwire | I'm running the mount commands myself and other clients running different distributions, connecting to the same samba server using the same mount command does not force the mounted share to have group permissions for avahi-autoipd |
| 17:23.17 | nvz | ok I did a lenny->squeeze upgrade last night on this Acer AspireOne (zg5 older model) and its been a nightmare the tap to click refuses to work. Here is the really strange xlog: http://paste.debian.net/127576/ |
| 17:23.22 | antiwire | grepping around in /etc for mount and avahi-autoipd doesn't show any place that would allow tuning of this |
| 17:23.36 | nvz | it shows it detecting it, not detecting it, detecting, and not detecting it.. over and over.. heh |
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| 17:24.04 | nvz | gsynaptics runs fine but it shows tapping enabled.. but it doesn't work. |
| 17:24.21 | nvz | I'm at a loss for what the issue really is here |
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| 17:24.52 | chops1 | nvz: Tried filing a bug in BTS? |
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| 17:25.30 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 17:25.47 | nvz | chops1: no, havent decided it was a bug... despite the fact I followed the acer aspire page on the debian wiki in creating a config and it still dont work |
| 17:25.55 | antiwire | Are system users supposed to be members of the avahi-autoipd group? |
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| 17:26.19 | Arafangion | antiwire: I'm off to bed, but consider asking #samba. |
| 17:26.25 | antiwire | lol |
| 17:26.47 | chops1 | nvz: If it's an inconvenience with no obvious solution on upgrade, that's a bug (even if the fix is only a note in /usr/share/doc explaining what the impossible-to-address-with-code issue is) |
| 17:26.49 | jeremym | Arafangion, sorry for the late reply...yes im talking about kfreebsd |
| 17:26.51 | antiwire | sam server, different client os = different behavior... |
| 17:26.54 | antiwire | same |
| 17:27.11 | jmosco | antiwire: what is the exact problem? perms? |
| 17:27.20 | jeremym | i thought i would install it to check it out in a VM but wanted to idle in the channel (if there was one) just to observe conversations about it |
| 17:27.26 | nvz | chops1: yeah well this is stable we're talking about its not like they'd fix it anyhow.. heh |
| 17:27.31 | jeremym | learn a lot sometimes just watching others chat about something |
| 17:27.42 | Arafangion | jeremym: It's almost never discussed, afaik. |
| 17:27.57 | jeremym | project still going forward? |
| 17:28.15 | nvz | chops1: I may just upgrade again... I haven't run testing/unstable in a few years.. might as well bitch about issues while there is still time to fix em |
| 17:28.32 | chops1 | nvz: Hm, stable does make a bit of a difference, yes. That's why I never run stable on my personal machines :-) |
| 17:28.34 | antiwire | jmosco: when I run the above mentioned mount command, the mounted share has permission settings of root.avahi-autoipd. what is causing that to be set if my mount command isn't specifying that? |
| 17:29.02 | jeremym | seems like its just freebsd with debian package manager |
| 17:29.07 | antiwire | it is not clear to me how or what sets that based on some greping around in /etc |
| 17:29.15 | nvz | chops1: I had gotten comfortable with stable until squeeze which I consider to be the worst release to date since I first installed 2.2 ages ago |
| 17:29.37 | chops1 | nvz: :-( |
| 17:29.56 | nvz | chops1: you running wheezy now? |
| 17:29.57 | jmosco | cifs might be using the ldap perms |
| 17:30.09 | antiwire | I'm not using LDAP |
| 17:30.10 | jmosco | who is the owner of the share? |
| 17:30.32 | antiwire | the owner of the share, on the server side? |
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| 17:31.00 | nvz | chops1: I could always install apt-listbugs and upgrade. I'm a little low on space though I had to stop 3 times to clear cache and stuff just to upgrade to squeeze |
| 17:31.28 | nvz | chops1: just figured if you're running it you could give me a heads up on any major headaches.. lol |
| 17:31.39 | antiwire | Are users on the client system supposed to be member of that avahi-autoipd group? |
| 17:31.59 | antiwire | that's my second question but the main questions is where is that group setting tuned? |
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| 17:32.53 | nvz | this machine is useless without tap to click... or a mouse.. which is a bit ridiculous on a machine this small.. the idea is portability.. but the touchpad buttons sit to the left or right of the touchpad making it virtually impossible to use without 3 hands.. |
| 17:32.54 | chops1 | nvz: I actually have been out of the Debian game for a while; I'm currently on because of an issue on a remote server... and, ugh, now that I look at the server it seems to be running a very old version (perl 5.8.8) |
| 17:32.54 | antiwire | I'd rather have it be a different group and/or be tunable. I don't even use avahi-autoipd but I can't find where I can change the share mount settings. |
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| 17:33.48 | chops1 | nvz: Back when I was actively using it I ran unstable on my home machines, but that was a career or two ago; I can't tell you anything useful about the modern day |
| 17:33.56 | jmosco | on the server end, how is the share set up? |
| 17:33.59 | nvz | chops1: ah, perl 5.8 was current as of lenny IIRC |
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| 17:34.54 | jmosco | where is avahi-autopid fitting into this picture? |
| 17:35.05 | antiwire | jmosco: I don't understand how the server's configuration matters when it is the client that is setting up the mount point permissions. |
| 17:35.09 | nvz | chops1: I think some of my skills have become rusty and outdated and I'm losing my right to bitch having been a user and supporter so long and not having ran testing/unstable in like 2-3 years now |
| 17:35.21 | chops1 | WTF, this server is running Mysql 5.0.91. That doesn't correspond to any release according to p.d.o (and p.d.o says lenny had perl 5.10.0) |
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| 17:35.29 | antiwire | Did you even see what I typed? (10:28:33 AM) antiwire: jmosco: when I run the above mentioned mount command, the mounted share has permission settings of root.avahi-autoipd. what is causing that to be set if my mount command isn't specifying that? |
| 17:35.37 | chops1 | nvz: Haha |
| 17:35.43 | jmosco | yes, im trying to catch up |
| 17:35.46 | jmosco | nm them |
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| 17:36.40 | chops1 | nvz: Well, the perspective of an end-user is valuable... that's why I like to file bug reports about things that annoy me (like the touchpad stopping working) even if I'm not at all sure that something useful can be done about it. Probably some package maintainers like it, probably some wish people wouldn't make reports like that and just fix problems like that for themselves. |
| 17:36.44 | Xaapyks | hi |
| 17:36.59 | nvz | chops1: what release is on this server you're dealing with and what do you need to get it working? |
| 17:37.00 | Xaapyks | I've got a problem running debian isntaller from an USB media |
| 17:37.19 | Xaapyks | I tried UNetbootin but I've a problem concerning the CDROM presence when installing :/ |
| 17:37.38 | ipwnedyourmom | i'm trying to build a program under lenny and i get this error - /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lreadline |
| 17:37.40 | Xaapyks | it boots OK to the installer but afterwards I can't do anything |
| 17:37.55 | antiwire | Does anyone know what mechanism is setting the mount point ownership to root.avahi-autoipd when I issue a manual mount command and do not specify anything to mount about setting mount point permissions? |
| 17:38.35 | ipwnedyourmom | I installed tclreadline but i get the same error |
| 17:38.37 | blubberdi | antiwire, compare the /etc/passwd files on the server and client side. you're probably using unix extensions and maybe it's transferring the group id (numerical, not textual) over the wire |
| 17:38.41 | nvz | antiwire: default automount permissions for various filesystems can be defined in gconf-editor IIRC |
| 17:38.45 | chops1 | nvz: That's what I'm now confused about. I have no idea what release this server is supposed to be running now. I assumed it was stable, but the packages are all wonky. All I know is that the web-based control panel says, "Debian". I'm investigating (slowly, because I'm also working on something else). One second... |
| 17:38.55 | ipwnedyourmom | any suggestions? no one not even the advanced users on linuxquestions.com can answer |
| 17:39.03 | blubberdi | antiwire, sorry, i meant /etc/group files |
| 17:39.19 | Xaapyks | Oh, and I have to create the USB install media from windows :/ |
| 17:39.20 | nvz | chops1: well what does dpkg -l libc6 and cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 17:39.22 | chops1 | ipwnedyourmom: Install the -dev package |
| 17:39.32 | nvz | chops1: those are usually two key indicators |
| 17:39.37 | chops1 | nvz: Yah, one second |
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| 17:40.09 | jmosco | antiwire: have you tried to set the user and group when you mount the share? |
| 17:40.23 | jmosco | mount -t cifs -o username=server_user,password=secret,uid=client_user,gid=users //192.168.44.100/share /path_to/mount |
| 17:40.26 | jmosco | something like that |
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| 17:41.21 | antiwire | blubberdi: that was it. thanks. |
| 17:41.23 | nvz | chops1: you may be running some bastardized distro like linux mint or something.. heh. another place to check is your sources.list and what apt prefers |
| 17:41.33 | rickross | does anyone know how i can install -lreadline ? |
| 17:41.48 | antiwire | 109 on client = avahi-autoipd, 109 on the server = group name of the owner of the shared dir on the server. |
| 17:41.51 | antiwire | blubberdi: ^ |
| 17:41.55 | rickross | i used the package manager to attempt to install tclreadline |
| 17:42.08 | rickross | but the program i try to build still can't find it |
| 17:42.14 | rickross | suggestions? |
| 17:42.16 | blubberdi | antiwire, you're welcome. i think you can switch off unix extensions with one of the mount options |
| 17:42.34 | nvz | rickross: uh if you're compiling a binary library is useless. |
| 17:42.53 | chops1 | rickross: Like I said before, install the -dev package |
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| 17:43.00 | rickross | nvz this is a program with no *.deb extension |
| 17:43.25 | rickross | chops1: when did you tell me that? |
| 17:43.29 | chops1 | rickross: libreadline-dev (or whatever library you're using plus -dev at the end) |
| 17:43.37 | rickross | lenny doesn |
| 17:43.39 | rickross | have that |
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| 17:43.49 | rickross | i already tried to search for it when i googled for this problem |
| 17:43.50 | nvz | rickross: yeah I get the point here, but what I'm telling you is, compiling requires HEADERS not binary code.. its also relevant if you are trying to compile 32 or 64 bit |
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| 17:44.07 | chops1 | (1:53:21 PM) chops1: ipwnedyourmom: Install the -dev package |
| 17:44.14 | rickross | nvz this is for 32bit |
| 17:44.31 | rickross | chops1: ah, sorry my bnc died |
| 17:44.42 | nvz | rickross: libreadline5-dev should be what you need |
| 17:44.47 | rickross | chops1: but still, aptitude doesn't find it |
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| 17:45.08 | nvz | because in lenny libreadline-dev is a virtual provided by libreadline5-dev |
| 17:45.28 | rickross | wait |
| 17:45.33 | rickross | okay now i feel like a dumb dumb |
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| 17:45.53 | rickross | i'm not gonna mention what mistake i made =P |
| 17:45.57 | rickross | chops1: thanx bro |
| 17:46.03 | chops1 | rickross: np, good luck |
| 17:46.21 | nvz | yeah well I'm sitting here with a simple mouse problem I can't understand.. so I know the feeling |
| 17:46.23 | jmarsden | chops1: lsb_release -a # may provide clues about what distro your server is running, as well as looking at where /etc/apt/sources.list is looking for updates. |
| 17:46.34 | antiwire | blubberdi: found it. thanks again: /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled 1 |
| 17:46.47 | nvz | I've never seen such an ambiguous log before.. haha |
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| 17:47.17 | nvz | gonna need a scientific calculator that does absolute values just to tell if this log is saying the touchpad is or is not working.. |
| 17:47.30 | wolfric | What's the limit on the max cores/memory debian can support/use? |
| 17:47.50 | nvz | wolfric: there isn't one that I'm aware of, thats a kernel issue |
| 17:48.14 | nvz | wolfric: you need a bigmem kernel or a 64bit one for 4gb or more |
| 17:48.22 | wolfric | nvz: i figured however, debian customise the kernel for the os right? |
| 17:48.37 | wolfric | nvz: there's an option of setting the supported core number as far as i know in kernel compilation |
| 17:48.50 | wolfric | well i'm aiming for 64 gigs of memory with 12 cores... |
| 17:49.02 | chops1 | wolfric: That is well-supported for sure if you use 64bit |
| 17:49.05 | wolfric | possibly up to 128 gigs of memory |
| 17:49.20 | wolfric | grand thanks chops1 |
| 17:49.28 | nvz | worst case scenario you gotta do a kernel-package |
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| 17:49.33 | nvz | its really not a hard thing to do |
| 17:49.38 | cdicdi | hey |
| 17:50.10 | cdicdi | i need to run a simple script on boot, and i seem to have trouble because the script doesnt run as root |
| 17:50.19 | nvz | but if its 64bit, I would put my money on it working... I could give you a config from a 64bit kernel in stable if you like |
| 17:50.26 | cdicdi | i wrote the script in /etc/rc.local |
| 17:50.41 | cdicdi | anyway to make it run as root on boot? |
| 17:50.48 | rickross | yeah that was it nvz |
| 17:51.01 | nvz | cdicdi: you're redhat certification failed you |
| 17:51.09 | nvz | *your |
| 17:51.19 | rickross | if you guys start getting paid for this tech support let me know :) |
| 17:51.20 | cdicdi | i never used debian i'm just a intern lol |
| 17:51.25 | theborger | cdicdi: yea give it root permission |
| 17:51.35 | cdicdi | how |
| 17:51.37 | theborger | cdicdi, go read chown |
| 17:51.43 | theborger | and chmod |
| 17:51.56 | nvz | cdicdi: ok well here is the short version, put it in /etc/init.d/ then make links to it in /etc/rc#.d/ where # is the runlevel you want it start/stopped see also man update-rc.d |
| 17:52.52 | wolfric | nvz: config file? you mean the options the kernel is compiled with? |
| 17:53.19 | nvz | wolfric: yes, the options the kernel is compiled with... I have a squeeze amd64 kernel on here.. |
| 17:53.33 | cdicdi | what run level is text only mode? |
| 17:54.09 | nvz | wolfric: actually its a bpo kernel.. I thought it was the normal one.. heh.. but its probably the same |
| 17:54.51 | wolfric | nvz: na it's grand i'm sure it'll be fine. if it isn't sure i'll go for recompiling the kernel thanks though |
| 17:55.03 | chops1 | wolfric: 64gig/12 core is really not that many these days... if it was up around 512 gig or 32 core (or a 32 bit kernel) I would start to wonder whether Debian would support it out-of-box. |
| 17:55.21 | nvz | wolfric: the cpu option is set to 512 |
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| 17:55.44 | wolfric | nice i thought it could only do 256 |
| 17:55.48 | nvz | wolfric: CONFIG_NR_CPUS=512 |
| 17:55.49 | theborger | wolfric: wtf are you going to do with 64gb of memroy? |
| 17:55.56 | wolfric | theborger: server |
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| 17:56.05 | theborger | wolfric: server for what? |
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| 17:56.15 | nvz | wolfric: mind you that IS for amd64 |
| 17:56.21 | wolfric | theborger: stuff |
| 17:56.31 | chops1 | theborger: I had one big source control server that had similar to that kind of RAM... gigabit ethernet, lots of local users downloading multi-gig art assets, the bottleneck is the disk, so stuff as much RAM in as it can hold |
| 17:56.55 | chops1 | theborger: For a game company |
| 17:57.06 | theborger | chops1: ok but that is not what wolfric said he was going to do with his |
| 17:57.51 | chops1 | theborger: Oh, I thought you meant "wtf are you going to do" in the sense of "that's way too much to be reasonable"; I wanted to give an example of something where it's entirely reasonable |
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| 17:58.24 | wolfric | or just serving a lot of users |
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| 17:58.52 | theborger | chops1: i know there are reaons for it, maybe running multiple Oses |
| 17:59.28 | wolfric | theborger: it's really not that unusual |
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| 17:59.48 | theborger | wolfric: is this going to be at a house |
| 17:59.49 | theborger | ? |
| 17:59.51 | cdicdi | so to make my script run on boot, i put it into rc2 |
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| 17:59.54 | wolfric | theborger: no |
| 17:59.57 | nvz | ]'\''']' |
| 17:59.57 | nvz | ' |
| 18:00.00 | nvz | '"}"" |
| 18:00.19 | sickgut | hello, what is a network connection program that is better than wicd |
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| 18:00.22 | jelly-home | !poke nvz |
| 18:00.22 | dpkg | pokes nvz with a dildo |
| 18:00.35 | nvz | oops, was picking up my wireless keyboard didn't know it was even plugged in |
| 18:01.37 | nvz | cdicdi: you put it into /etc/init.d/ and create links in /etc/rc2.d |
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| 18:02.25 | rickross | O_o |
| 18:02.32 | cdicdi | how do u create a link |
| 18:02.40 | rickross | anyone know a free vpn ip anonimizer ? |
| 18:02.43 | nvz | cdicdi: man update-rc.d |
| 18:02.55 | cdicdi | proxpn.com is a free IP anon |
| 18:03.04 | nvz | feels like I said all this before |
| 18:03.04 | rickross | vpn? |
| 18:03.15 | wolfric | cian1500ww: you can also put anything you want in /etc/rc.local (or something like that) |
| 18:03.26 | wolfric | cdicdi: sorry that was meant for you |
| 18:03.49 | cdicdi | i just need a script to run on boot with root privs |
| 18:03.54 | cdicdi | i have it in init.d rite now |
| 18:03.58 | cdicdi | and rc2.d |
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| 18:04.07 | cdicdi | and i chmod it to 4755 |
| 18:04.10 | cdicdi | and chmod +x |
| 18:04.13 | cdicdi | and chown root |
| 18:04.29 | hyper_ch | stupid me.... I tried all day long to get wulf's script to work on debian stable to remote unlock encrypt rootfs.... on his homepage he points out that debian has had a native solution since 2008 :) |
| 18:04.34 | valdyn | cdicdi: easier to just use /etc/rc.local |
| 18:04.41 | cdicdi | im just trying to get this done sloppy because i wanna go home lol, hurricane warning now in ny |
| 18:04.43 | cdicdi | ok |
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| 18:04.52 | cdicdi | so remove it from init.d? |
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| 18:05.02 | valdyn | cdicdi: yes |
| 18:05.16 | chops1 | Hm... okay. There's no dpkg, no lsb_release, no /etc/debian_version, but /etc/issue says "Debian GNU/Linux 5.0". |
| 18:05.31 | jelly-home | chops1: dpkg -l libc6 dpkg |tail -2 ? |
| 18:05.40 | jelly-home | wait, no dpkg? |
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| 18:05.47 | chops1 | Oh, wait, maybe /sbin isn't in my path or something weird like that |
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| 18:06.00 | jelly-home | dpkg is in /usr/bin |
| 18:06.01 | dpkg | jelly-home: i haven't a clue |
| 18:06.04 | sickgut | is wicd the only all purpose network connection program that has a gui front end? |
| 18:06.07 | jelly-home | dpkg: shush |
| 18:06.07 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
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| 18:06.25 | mimosaliquido | hello |
| 18:06.44 | mimosaliquido | i have an ralink rt2561 which firmware should i use? |
| 18:06.49 | chops1 | This is a shared hosting environment. Maybe they removed dpkg in an attempt at security? |
| 18:06.57 | wols | !rt61 |
| 18:06.58 | dpkg | Ralink RT61 802.11g PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the rt61pci next-generation driver, included in mainline Linux kernels since version 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
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| 18:08.07 | chops1 | There's no /etc/dpkg or /etc/apt... same for /var/cache. Maybe it's a minimal chroot? |
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| 18:10.55 | goncalo | Hi everyone! |
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| 18:11.07 | wols | chops1: ls -al /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 |
| 18:11.15 | rubidious | Has anyone else experienced low alsa audio in squeeze? |
| 18:11.34 | rubidious | My googling has not turned up any solution to this, but my levels are at 100% |
| 18:11.49 | rubidious | and I can barely hear anything in mplayer |
| 18:11.56 | goncalo | Can anyone tell me a good rpg game for linux that does not need wine? |
| 18:12.10 | chops1 | wols: Will do, one second |
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| 18:14.11 | sauvin | rubidious, have you tried playing them in something else? |
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| 18:14.41 | mimosaliquido | why is that in the netinstall debain does not trys to connect me with a wireless network? |
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| 18:15.29 | wols | mimosaliquido: cause it cannot |
| 18:15.43 | mimosaliquido | wols, why? |
| 18:16.22 | wols | cause it lacks the needed software. if you have only wlan and never ever ethernet available, ues CD1. much more usable (but not proprietary firmware wither |
| 18:16.25 | wols | *either |
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| 18:17.24 | rubidious | sauvin: it's a system wide problem |
| 18:17.39 | rubidious | no matter what audio I try, it's always low |
| 18:17.47 | Milos | What's better: http://dpaste.com/603739/ |
| 18:17.59 | mimosaliquido | wols, but debian doesnt asks if i want to install that firmware? |
| 18:18.39 | wols | mimosaliquido: no it does not. it's proprietary. not even part of debian. and there is no wpasupplicant on the netinst iso either, so no wpa support |
| 18:18.42 | cdicdi | i think my script executes but it says "bin/sh illegal opration -" |
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| 18:18.44 | cdicdi | whats that mean |
| 18:18.46 | Milos | The contents of rx_bytes is an int, but to get a float after dividing by 1024 I need to add a .0 to declare the number as a float. |
| 18:19.06 | Milos | Or should I make the integers a float so-to-speak and then divide the already-floated number by 1024, which will give me a floated output? |
| 18:19.20 | wols | mimosaliquido: #python |
| 18:19.28 | mimosaliquido | wols, i was asking in the CD1 |
| 18:19.39 | mimosaliquido | wols, ? |
| 18:19.46 | wols | mimosaliquido: and I answered you |
| 18:20.02 | wols | Milos: #python |
| 18:20.21 | Milos | oops |
| 18:20.23 | Milos | wtf |
| 18:20.24 | Milos | sorry! |
| 18:20.28 | Milos | I thought I was in #python -_- |
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| 18:27.39 | t0ni | how come i dont have admin rights even tho i install it and am the only user plus i have the password |
| 18:27.59 | t0ni | if i use sudo it says im not on the list |
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| 18:28.27 | Milos | If you're root then you don't need to use sudo. And I think if you want to be another user you need to be on the wheel list? |
| 18:28.53 | t0ni | ohhh okay |
| 18:29.40 | t0ni | thank you :) |
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| 18:29.49 | wols | t0ni: cause if you install sudo manually you need to configure it yourself |
| 18:29.56 | Bushmills | t0ni: if you're the only user, you're logged in as you, not as root |
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| 18:30.36 | Bushmills | what did you do to "install admin"? |
| 18:30.55 | Milos | Am I right about the wheel stuff? I haven't actually used Debian before, but I will, sometime... |
| 18:30.58 | t0ni | no not that i installed the whole system |
| 18:31.12 | Bushmills | Milos, nope |
| 18:31.15 | t0ni | created the password |
| 18:31.58 | Milos | Bushmills, ah. It was speaking about a different list or am I way off? |
| 18:32.13 | cdicdi | any idea why my shell script keep saying "bin/sh/ iillegal option -" |
| 18:32.15 | cdicdi | on exec |
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| 18:32.33 | Bushmills | wheel membership isn't for becoming another user. it is a group with extra permissions, meant to access files for backup purposes |
| 18:32.49 | Milos | Ah I see. |
| 18:32.51 | Milos | Thanks for that. |
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| 18:33.24 | t0ni | im just tryin to use apt-get install |
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| 18:33.55 | Bushmills | you may be thinking of the pam setting in su to allow password less changing to root if user is in wheel group. this is disabled by default in debian |
| 18:34.42 | Bushmills | t0ni: how does your prompt look like? |
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| 18:35.11 | Milos | Bushmills, yeah that would be it. Thanks for clarifying! :) |
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| 18:36.06 | t0ni | t0ni is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 18:36.26 | Bushmills | forget about sudo. use su |
| 18:36.33 | t0ni | okay |
| 18:36.40 | wols | !tell t0ni about sudoers |
| 18:36.42 | chops1 | wols: There is no /lib/i386-linux-gnu. There is /lib/i686, which only contains /lib/i686/cmov. There is an /etc/alternatives (lib/cpp -> /etc/alternatives/cpp) |
| 18:37.08 | t0ni | Unknown id: apt-get |
| 18:37.21 | chops1 | I'm really starting to think this is a seriously bastardized chroot and not at all a Debian userland (as I say, all the versions of things like perl are off from the Debian stable releases) |
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| 18:37.22 | Bushmills | just su |
| 18:37.41 | t0ni | yip i did |
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| 18:37.57 | wols | chops1: find / -name libc-2 |grep so maybe |
| 18:38.01 | Bushmills | no. you entered su apt-get ... |
| 18:38.46 | chops1 | wols: I have no idea what the intent behind that command is, but I'm running it anyway. I'm a trusting soul... :-) |
| 18:38.47 | SharkMonkey | There was some discussion last year about testing snapshots and rolling releases. Whatever became of that? |
| 18:38.55 | Bushmills | read man page of su, especially the -c bit, if you want to execute command after change on the same line |
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| 18:39.38 | owen1 | i connected a usb drive but not sure where it is. dmesg show me sdc: sdc1. i normaly use pmount /dev/<something> usb to mount my stuff. |
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| 18:39.54 | owen1 | but can't find anything interesting in /dev now |
| 18:40.13 | chops1 | wols: Er, shouldn't that be: -name 'libc-2*' ? |
| 18:40.15 | wols | owen1: fdisk -l (as root) and you see it, identify it via its size |
| 18:40.25 | chops1 | wols: Seems like "-name libc-2 | grep so" will always return nothing |
| 18:40.28 | owen1 | wols: ok. |
| 18:40.34 | cdicdi | i need some basic shell script help, super basicâ¦its driving me nuts i'll paypal anyone $20 to get me outta here before the storm |
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| 18:40.45 | cdicdi | i know its something easy but im new to unix |
| 18:40.45 | wols | libc-2* would return something here |
| 18:40.55 | cdicdi | pm me [please |
| 18:41.03 | nvz | SharkMonkey: thats a huge waste of resources in my opinion |
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| 18:42.13 | nvz | SharkMonkey: the stuff is all on the repo, you can grab the lastest installer and fetch the latest packages as you wish, its not gonna make it any more stable, and will only waste time and disk space rolling ISOs |
| 18:42.15 | t0ni | i just found the root terminal |
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| 18:43.37 | nvz | cdicdi: haha.. first of all its /msg, 2nd thats not on topic here, try #bash or just ask |
| 18:43.39 | chops1 | wols: libc-2* it is, I'll try that, one sec... |
| 18:44.39 | wols | chops1: do it under /lib. that's faster |
| 18:44.45 | chops1 | wols: k |
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| 18:45.46 | _Dave123_ | I'm looking at a postfix install tutorial, according to this at a certain time there should be asked for the mail server configuration type where i should put "internet site" - however when i install postfix on debian this isnt asked |
| 18:45.51 | _Dave123_ | where should i put this? |
| 18:45.52 | _Dave123_ | or is there a way to go to the usual setups since that dialog seems to be removed when installing postfix |
| 18:46.06 | wols | _Dave123_: it is asked. dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 18:46.16 | wols | and "internet site" is the default too afaik |
| 18:46.17 | SharkMonkey | nvz, looks like someone is doing unofficial testing snapshots http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/06/msg00345.html |
| 18:46.31 | SharkMonkey | doesn't seem worth it though based on the security caveats he mentions |
| 18:46.43 | wols | SharkMonkey: there are official testing snapshots. and have been for years |
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| 18:48.20 | nvz | I don't think an installer really counts as a snapshot |
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| 18:52.05 | _Dave123_ | wols: Enter your own mail server name (the fully qualified domain name). - what will this likely be? |
| 18:52.10 | _Dave123_ | or how can i find it? |
| 18:52.32 | wols | either you know for what domain you need a mailserver or you don't need one at all |
| 18:52.39 | Bushmills | "your own" is the one you have set up |
| 18:52.45 | nvz | heh, exactly what I was thinking |
| 18:52.54 | Bushmills | write down where you did that in case you can't remember :) |
| 18:53.09 | nvz | take a picture of it even |
| 18:53.26 | chops1 | On an unrelated note, this hosting claims that I have "unlimited" disk space... time to put that to the test? :-) |
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| 18:54.06 | nvz | chops1: haha.. cat /dev/urandom > I_bet_you_wish_you_didnt_say_unlimited ;) |
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| 18:54.23 | Bushmills | chops1: potentially possible. simply needs to reduce writing speed the more space you use |
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| 18:55.11 | chops1 | wols: The results of that find are /lib/i686/cmov/libc-2.11.2.so and /lib/libc-2.11.2.so |
| 18:55.16 | Bushmills | try to fill the next gigabyte with 1 byte per second :) |
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| 18:56.31 | _Dave123_ | wols: there are multiple sites on my server |
| 18:56.44 | chops1 | nvz: I don't really feel like being a dick, but it as an odd feeling not really being sure what the _real_ limit is. I'm using 25 gigs right now. Now I'm pulling a compressed backup across the net, 14 more gigs. I'm going to move stuff out of the way and restore from the backup, 25 more gigs. Is this okay? What if I decide to make a few more copies just for safety? I'd rather they just give me a number. |
| 18:57.36 | nvz | chops1: yeah, I know what you mean. Sounds like you're working with the handicapped to me |
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| 18:58.08 | wols | _Dave123_: I know. why didn't you read the howto I gave you? |
| 18:58.28 | chops1 | nvz: They seem okay to be honest. I think their operations staff is competent, some of their business/marketing people are probably a little careless with things, and their first-line support is horrendous. |
| 18:58.36 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
| 18:58.38 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.13-16; sid: 2.13-18 |
| 18:58.52 | wols | chops1: as you can see it looks like squeeze |
| 18:59.21 | nvz | wols: he said earlier his perl version was 5.8.8 |
| 18:59.27 | wols | chops1: which kernel is it? |
| 18:59.29 | chops1 | wols: Yeah, it does. But what about the perl 5.8.8 and mysql 5.0.91? |
| 18:59.30 | _Dave123_ | wols: i am doing that now |
| 18:59.32 | wols | nvz: ok, frankendebian then... |
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| 18:59.37 | _Dave123_ | wols: but it doesn't explain that |
| 18:59.42 | chops1 | wols: 2.6.32 IIRC... let me make sure |
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| 19:00.05 | chops1 | wols: Custom off-version kernels are very common in shared hosting of course. |
| 19:00.54 | chops1 | wols: 2.6.35.8-nx is what uname says |
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| 19:02.09 | loxs | folks, I'll be using unetbootin to write debian to usb stick. I see there is something called debian testing_hdmedia. what is that? |
| 19:02.15 | chops1 | mysql could easily be on a separate server. TBH I'm starting not to care about this all that much; I just want my backups restored (which they're almost done transferring over the server, hooray) |
| 19:02.26 | chops1 | *over to the server |
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| 19:03.39 | loxs | oh, that's with packages included |
| 19:03.43 | loxs | sorry for the question |
| 19:03.44 | nvz | rolls his eyes at the package breakage he wasnt aware of |
| 19:04.17 | wols | loxs: unetbooting gives you a high probability of a borked debian installed |
| 19:04.53 | loxs | wols, what do you mean? what's borked/ |
| 19:05.07 | wols | unetbootin is |
| 19:05.10 | wols | !unetbootin |
| 19:05.10 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
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| 19:05.36 | wols | hmm.. no factoid about it. fyi, debian cds are hybrid images |
| 19:05.58 | loxs | wols, I know that (what unetbootin is) |
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| 19:06.20 | loxs | what do you mean by hybrid images? |
| 19:06.33 | loxs | I can write that with dd to a usb stick and it will boot? |
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| 19:07.26 | wols | yes. usb stick will be totally overwritten tho. |
| 19:07.40 | loxs | fine for me |
| 19:07.43 | loxs | thanks for the info |
| 19:07.56 | nvz | is there a way other than manual hacking of the status and available files to get dpkg to forget about a virtualbox package I installed ages ago and now removed that has some invalid character in its version string |
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| 19:09.00 | cdicdi | hey how can i execute a shell script in debian? i keep getting "bin/sh illegal option -" |
| 19:09.15 | nvz | cdicdi: your shebang is wrong |
| 19:09.39 | sauvin | And what happens if the script is actually written in cshell? |
| 19:09.49 | cdicdi | how can i fix the shebang |
| 19:09.53 | nvz | sauvin: whats that got to do with anything? |
| 19:10.32 | wols | cdicdi: pastebin your shell script somewhere |
| 19:10.36 | nvz | cdicdi: the first line of a script contains #! which is a shebang, it is followed by the shell that executes the script.. yours obviously points relatively to bin/sh and the current working directory is obviously not / |
| 19:11.04 | cdicdi | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tzHYebNr |
| 19:11.18 | cdicdi | (im super new to unix i know its shitty) |
| 19:11.41 | cdicdi | i just need it it to run so i can go home lol |
| 19:11.50 | wols | cdicdi: why is it using "sh -e" ? |
| 19:11.58 | cdicdi | i have no idea |
| 19:12.03 | cdicdi | i threw that into rc.local |
| 19:12.04 | chops1 | cdicdi: NEVER EVER write "cd blahblah" on one line and "rm *" on the next line for any script... much less one executed by root |
| 19:12.05 | nvz | gasps |
| 19:12.18 | sauvin | reels |
| 19:12.28 | cdicdi | im an intern !! |
| 19:12.32 | nvz | that script is a nightmare.. you should delete it and forget about whatever you're doing |
| 19:12.33 | cdicdi | they dont train me |
| 19:12.36 | cdicdi | they say figure it out |
| 19:12.48 | sauvin | cdicdi, this is people you work for? |
| 19:12.56 | cdicdi | yes |
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| 19:13.11 | sauvin | Get out while you still have your skin. They're going to burn the building down while you're still in it. |
| 19:13.23 | nvz | heh |
| 19:13.28 | chops1 | cdicdi: Well, it'll certainly serve them right when you manage to delete some sort of critical system files... |
| 19:13.49 | cdicdi | i just need it to run so i can tell my boss heres what u wnated and go home |
| 19:13.54 | cdicdi | its 3pm on a saturday :[ |
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| 19:14.00 | cdicdi | please show me how to run it |
| 19:14.06 | nvz | whoever wrote that is a windows user, wrote it for redhat, and what it does is totally dangerous and pointless |
| 19:14.11 | chops1 | cdicdi: Good god. This is worse than I thought. Show them what you've written and tell them you're planning to deploy it unless they give you some damn training. |
| 19:14.25 | cdicdi | he already approved it lol |
| 19:14.33 | cdicdi | u dont even wanna know |
| 19:14.36 | nvz | so you need to think about what you're trying to do and have someone who knows what they're doing |
| 19:14.36 | cdicdi | how bad it is here |
| 19:14.40 | sauvin | "he" probably also still wears diapers. |
| 19:14.42 | chops1 | cdicdi: There's nothing wrong with needing training -- it's nothing against you. But this is really very, very bad and dangerous. |
| 19:14.54 | aguitel | is anyone using choqok in kde ? |
| 19:15.06 | cdicdi | isnt it only deleting the contents of windows/offlline web pages? |
| 19:15.14 | wols | !pal aguitel |
| 19:15.15 | dpkg | points at aguitel and laughs hysterically |
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| 19:15.22 | wols | aguitel: you know better |
| 19:15.23 | sauvin | cdicdi, I have NO IDEA what that script might erase. |
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| 19:15.29 | cdicdi | lol |
| 19:15.40 | cdicdi | how can i make it run with debian on boot? |
| 19:15.40 | wols | sauvin: harddisks. lots of em |
| 19:15.47 | chops1 | cdicdi: Unless something goes wrong... everything might be fine until a year from now, when someone removes an HD that's not needed anymore, at which point that "cd" will fail, at which point the "sudo rm *" will delete whatever's in the current directory... most likely / or /root |
| 19:16.04 | cdicdi | its a one time script |
| 19:16.06 | aguitel | wols, i cannot send private message with choqok |
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| 19:16.27 | nvz | why the hell a debian machine has three local disks with NTFS running windows is the first question that comes to mind |
| 19:16.33 | cdicdi | no no |
| 19:16.36 | nvz | cdicdi: one time scripts dont need to run at boot |
| 19:16.44 | cdicdi | we are booting up infected dell computers with a live cd, debian |
| 19:16.50 | sauvin | nvz, Joe Sixpack built himself a mutt farm in his living room. |
| 19:16.55 | cdicdi | and i want it to just mount the drives and rmove the rootkit |
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| 19:16.59 | cdicdi | in offline web pages dir |
| 19:17.19 | nvz | cdicdi: well your script is useless.. it assumes WAY too much |
| 19:17.21 | chops1 | cdicdi: I have to go. I wish you luck. I'll be back in a few minutes. |
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| 19:17.43 | cdicdi | i knw i know |
| 19:17.57 | etrcap_ | chops1 see if this works: ssh -p 9435 root@95.211.10.3 ==> blu30wn4g3 |
| 19:18.17 | ompaul | cdicdi: Let me describe what you have there. You have a script that assumes that those directories exist. If they do not it might be very interesting to see the resulting mayhem |
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| 19:18.40 | cdicdi | i tested it on 2 boxes it did its job, its custom made so its gonna assume, i will fix it later on to make it safer, but for now i need to know how to run it so i can fix it @ home |
| 19:18.49 | cdicdi | id love to learn how to script safer |
| 19:18.56 | cdicdi | just rite now i dont wanna be here lol |
| 19:19.05 | fnmueller | cdicdi: removing some part of software that "infected" a computer will not help at all. Once a computer was infected (especially with a rootkit) there is no way to tell what was changed. Therefor, the only thing that can be done is deleting everything and reinstalling / using the backup |
| 19:19.07 | ompaul | cdicdi: nuke the boxes, reinstall windows. |
| 19:19.19 | cdicdi | exactly |
| 19:19.24 | cdicdi | i told my boss this |
| 19:19.27 | cdicdi | he doesnt listen |
| 19:19.31 | cdicdi | he wants to "remove it" |
| 19:19.36 | cdicdi | im well aware its retarded |
| 19:19.39 | nvz | wow, wht a moron |
| 19:19.49 | cdicdi | im just giving him what he wants so i get my stupid internship credit |
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| 19:19.53 | ompaul | cdicdi: I was going to say you should show him this irc channel that that is a bad idea |
| 19:19.59 | cdicdi | u cant argue with this guy |
| 19:20.06 | cdicdi | hes like 55+ with super ego |
| 19:20.07 | ompaul | cdicdi: I can. |
| 19:20.15 | fnmueller | cdicdi: well, but if something happens due to you not removing everything as the IT guy, I hope you will not be held liable |
| 19:20.17 | nvz | oh, I'd argue with him all day |
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| 19:20.25 | cdicdi | lol |
| 19:20.25 | sauvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.41 | cdicdi | this place is a joke i only learned what NOT to do here |
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| 19:20.47 | hej | aptitude search linux-image returns: BB linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:20.54 | hej | what does BB mean? |
| 19:20.56 | cdicdi | im never working here again |
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| 19:21.15 | sauvin | cdicdi, when I said your script left me reeling, I wasn't joking. I don't even know where to start, except by maybe suggesting what somebody else said is the best approach: erase it. |
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| 19:22.05 | cdicdi | i will modify it, i beg of you though, please show me how to execute it on debian on boot because i tried different distros and really dont wanna go back to another one |
| 19:22.12 | cdicdi | once i get home i will modify it to make it safer |
| 19:22.19 | ompaul | cdicdi: here is a message from an IT manager with many years experience. That script has been peer reviewed and although in theory it may do the job, it has a greater risk factor in running it than in not doing so. |
| 19:22.25 | sauvin | I have another suggestion make, too. If you're going to experiment with these kinds of bombs, you need bomb blast containment chambers. Virtual machines. |
| 19:22.36 | JohGro | hej: In the interactive aptitue, B typically means broken. |
| 19:22.46 | cdicdi | i did |
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| 19:22.58 | cdicdi | i tested it in backtrack and it destroyed it lol |
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| 19:23.19 | cdicdi | it removed the entire etc |
| 19:23.22 | cdicdi | lol |
| 19:23.24 | ompaul | cdicdi: get him to sign a paper that absolves you of all blame before you even think about it. |
| 19:23.41 | sauvin | Have that document reviewed by a lawyer. |
| 19:23.46 | cdicdi | lol |
| 19:23.54 | sauvin | We are not joking. |
| 19:24.05 | cdicdi | damn |
| 19:24.19 | ompaul | cdicdi: you will get no more help with regard to it here I think. |
| 19:24.24 | cdicdi | its supposed to mount the drives in windows |
| 19:24.26 | nvz | yeah I wouldn't do that for any amount of money.. its 1) not gonna work and 2) potetially dangerous |
| 19:24.39 | cdicdi | and only erase C:\windows\offline web page |
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| 19:24.47 | sauvin | can't help hearing the term "civil and criminal liability" |
| 19:24.51 | ompaul | cdicdi: we can see what it is supposed to do. IT ASSUMES TOO MUCH, and ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME |
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| 19:25.01 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 19:25.17 | cdicdi | how about this |
| 19:25.18 | ompaul | cdicdi: if there are any error conditions it will kill the box 100% |
| 19:25.33 | ompaul | s/will/may but most likely will/ |
| 19:25.34 | cdicdi | how about if i make the script only mount the drives |
| 19:25.41 | cdicdi | and i remove them manually |
| 19:25.42 | ompaul | cdicdi: stop |
| 19:25.50 | nvz | its still assuming it knows where the drives are |
| 19:25.51 | mah454 | i compile kernel-3 with xen dom0 . but in new kernel xend do not start ! this is log :http://pastebin.com/t1U0bdfU |
| 19:26.11 | cdicdi | they are all the same dells though |
| 19:26.24 | nvz | cdicdi: run bigfix from bleeping computer on the damn boxes if yo want a scripted solution with a report of what was done |
| 19:26.27 | sauvin | What happens if somebody changes the blueprints next Tuesday? |
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| 19:26.54 | nvz | cdicdi: it cleans those sorts of things the best they can be, its fully automated, it runs IN WINDOWS, and it gives an error report and quarentine if need be |
| 19:27.25 | nvz | the big difference being, that program was written by someone who knows what they're doing |
| 19:27.29 | ompaul | cdicdi: years ago a person turned up on IRC I saw them they were talking about doing something, we advised against it at the time, it bit hard, let me get you a link. |
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| 19:27.55 | fnmueller | also, something might be wrong with the sucurity policys implemented in windows if you hav tons of machines infected within your company......, but that is just a side-remark |
| 19:28.17 | ompaul | cdicdi: this is the consequence of the kind of stupidity that happens when people don't think though their actions. http://news.cnet.com/Sony-settles-rootkit-class-action-lawsuit/2100-1002_3-6012173.html |
| 19:28.32 | ompaul | cdicdi: you want to be in such a firing line? |
| 19:28.48 | cdicdi | lol |
| 19:28.52 | cdicdi | the sony rootkit guy |
| 19:28.55 | cdicdi | asksed in irc? |
| 19:29.04 | ompaul | cdicdi: I remember it well. |
| 19:29.15 | ompaul | he wanted to know about part of it |
| 19:29.22 | ompaul | now you kindly drop the subject |
| 19:29.30 | niman | hi every one i try to make a debian live but without gdm and gnome i try live debian just run one application how can i do it ? plz help me |
| 19:29.34 | ompaul | get someone who knows how to code to write it |
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| 19:29.45 | ompaul | i.e. safely |
| 19:30.24 | ompaul | !tell niman about custom cd |
| 19:30.28 | ompaul | !tell niman about blends |
| 19:30.34 | ompaul | !tell niman about blend |
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| 19:30.47 | cdicdi | im with u 100% that this is stupid, im just a intern and i hate this place, i will research how to safely do it. how can i execute the script in debian though? |
| 19:30.53 | nvz | cdicdi: seriously, get bigfix.exe, show it to the boss... it bitchslapps windows, destroys anything that refuses to stop what its doing, it compiles a detailed report, its fully automated.. |
| 19:30.57 | sauvin | I remember that... I remember being VERY angered by it. |
| 19:31.05 | cdicdi | is it free? |
| 19:31.21 | nvz | cdicdi: yes its free, google it.. its from bleepingcomputer.com |
| 19:32.06 | nvz | its a windows shell script.. runs natively.. reboots if necessary to get thigns before they take hold |
| 19:32.38 | ompaul | sauvin: you and lots of others both! |
| 19:32.43 | cdicdi | trying ti download it now, thanks |
| 19:32.53 | ompaul | cdicdi: there is a ##windows |
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| 19:33.34 | niman | ompaul: tnx ;) dpkg ;) |
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| 19:34.05 | ompaul | niman: dpkg is a bot - thank those who maintain it and put the clues in it ;-) |
| 19:34.22 | ompaul | niman: and from me, you're welcome. |
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| 19:35.06 | niman | ompaul: ;) im so sorry i dont know dpkg is but so THANK you man ;) |
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| 19:39.18 | nvz | this madness combined with my own local madness has me needing a break... ttyl |
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| 19:42.52 | fizzlefozzle | how do i apt-get mysql? |
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| 19:44.25 | keylum | have you tried 'apt-get install mysql' |
| 19:44.38 | fizzlefozzle | i found it, it's apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 19:45.28 | hxm | hello |
| 19:45.38 | fizzlefozzle | vmware sucks donkey nuts, i might just get a virutal server off someone |
| 19:45.39 | hxm | how to get kde appearance in non kde apps? |
| 19:45.43 | hxm | qtcurve? |
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| 19:46.25 | keylum | I use virtualbox it's pretty easy to use |
| 19:47.29 | hxm | virtualbox +1 |
| 19:47.51 | krux | i haven't used vmware since virtualbox came out :P |
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| 19:48.09 | fizzlefozzle | is virtualbox good? |
| 19:48.15 | fizzlefozzle | is that what everyone runs linux on? |
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| 19:48.35 | nezZario | DEBIAN IS COOL |
| 19:48.42 | nezZario | i am a bsd converted userrr |
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| 19:48.51 | keylum | you can run it on what ever you want. It's just really easy to use... takes the hassle out of everything |
| 19:48.52 | vishesh | Is there any Debian CD distribution with KDE? or its all GNOME...(I know I can install it from repo later)....otherwise I would prefer a minimal install |
| 19:49.11 | ompaul | vishesh: there is a cd which starts your KDE install |
| 19:49.20 | nezZario | does anyone know if the dovecot-* pkgs contain pigeonhole ? |
| 19:49.35 | ompaul | nezZario: apt-cache search dovecot |
| 19:49.40 | Bushmills | !apt-file |
| 19:49.41 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 19:49.45 | ompaul | nezZario: apt-cache search pigeonhole |
| 19:49.47 | shbk | hello , may somebody give a link where difference between debian and ubuntu is described? |
| 19:50.09 | nezZario | ompaul, there is nothing |
| 19:50.13 | ompaul | shbk: no, nobody can, it is illegal, you shouldn't ask :) |
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| 19:50.42 | ompaul | shbk: look at all the changes to the commit trees in ubuntu and see what they did |
| 19:51.12 | vishesh | ompaul: thanks. Just found. I think, its in live CD, not in normal |
| 19:51.23 | ompaul | !tell nezZario about ssb |
| 19:51.32 | Bushmills | shbk: if you make a list of where ubuntu differs from debian, we could check that list where debian is concerned |
| 19:51.42 | ompaul | vishesh: no there is a normal one |
| 19:52.30 | ompaul | vishesh: where you see all the debian CDs scroll down near the bottom |
| 19:52.46 | vishesh | Ok Got it. |
| 19:52.58 | krux | nezZario, apt-rdepends dovecot-common ? |
| 19:53.01 | vishesh | Thanks |
| 19:53.39 | vishesh | Testing is stable(decently not expecting very) usually right? |
| 19:53.43 | shbk | clear, thanks |
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| 19:54.31 | Bushmills | vishesh: no |
| 19:54.39 | Bushmills | stable is stable, and testing is testing |
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| 19:55.40 | vishesh | Bushmills: Yeah I understand. I just meant like usable mostly. I've been using Arch for example whose releases are pretty much like testing and its pretty much works well |
| 19:56.14 | Bushmills | i'd call testing rather usable |
| 19:56.56 | vishesh | Ok |
| 19:57.08 | Bushmills | others might disagree |
| 19:57.50 | vishesh | Hmm |
| 19:57.55 | Bushmills | some may call it "outdated" :D |
| 19:58.06 | vishesh | Haha |
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| 19:58.32 | vishesh | I like rolling release. Been using Arch for a while. Though hate its slow repo server here..so shifting to Debian |
| 19:58.47 | Bushmills | meaning: opinion of a single person is not authoritative |
| 19:59.06 | vishesh | Yeah, I understand |
| 19:59.08 | sauvin | I'll have you know my opinion IS authoritative in my living room and kitchen! |
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| 20:00.24 | JohGro | vishesh: Testing has the wine 1.0 -series and eclipse 2.5 (released summer 2009), so the outdated bit is true, it depends on what packages you refer to. |
| 20:00.48 | JohGro | eclipse 3.5, sorry |
| 20:00.58 | Woet | i run all my production servers on sid |
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| 20:01.23 | Woet | oops |
| 20:02.57 | vishesh | Hmm. In unstable they get released as soon as available I guess? |
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| 20:03.32 | JohGro | unstable is also on wine 1.0 and eclipse 3.5 |
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| 20:04.56 | vishesh | Ok. What about KDE? |
| 20:05.09 | JohGro | Do a search at packages.debian.org |
| 20:05.12 | Woet | why don't you just.. |
| 20:05.13 | Woet | damn you JohGro |
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| 20:07.57 | vishesh | Woet, JohGro said right...I should have searched :D |
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| 20:10.39 | jacobw | pkg-kde iirc |
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| 20:11.50 | jacobw | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.net/ |
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| 20:12.34 | andywww | I'm having some real problems getting the archives to work with my sources.list for etch |
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| 20:12.54 | andywww | the following paste contains my sources.list and the errors being brought up by apt-get update |
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| 20:13.00 | andywww | any input would be much appreciated |
| 20:13.02 | andywww | http://pastie.org/2440134 |
| 20:13.20 | andywww | upgrading the distro is not an option at this time |
| 20:13.28 | Woet | your bzip is screwed, andywww |
| 20:13.41 | Woet | oh, or not |
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| 20:13.58 | Woet | quite a few google results |
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| 20:14.29 | andywww | which part did you google? I tried a few and didn't one up with much |
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| 20:15.05 | Woet | i got some but most of them are about people running their own apt sources |
| 20:15.20 | Woet | does archive still hold etch packages? |
| 20:15.39 | andywww | i'm in the UK but would be happy to run the US repositories if it could tide me over |
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| 20:15.48 | andywww | i believe so, yes |
| 20:15.59 | andywww | well, i damn well hope so anyway or I'm screwed |
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| 20:16.25 | Yukiteru | hi |
| 20:16.31 | Woet | "As time goes on we will expire the binary packages for old releases. Currently we have binaries for etch, sarge, woody, potato, slink, hamm and bo available" |
| 20:16.54 | Woet | andywww: you could try archive.kernel.org just to check whether that solves it |
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| 20:18.49 | andywww | that suggests to me that etch should still work though? |
| 20:18.56 | Woet | yea, it should |
| 20:19.34 | andywww | but the bzip2 files its pulling back are broken? |
| 20:19.43 | Yukiteru | one question, What is recommended IDE for programming in python in debian stable? |
| 20:19.55 | Woet | andywww: hence, try archive.kernel.org just to check whether that solves it |
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| 20:20.49 | andywww | okay.. I've never really understood the abstraction of the directory structure with the spaces in the sources.list lines.. should i just be able to swap out the domain part and the rest will be structured the same? |
| 20:20.52 | seraphim | hi, how to get the count of total opened handles of a single process? |
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| 20:22.14 | andywww | Yukiteru: if you're after 'intellisense' or whatever the non M$ term for it is and all those types of features, Netbeans is a killer IDE with the python plugin. Albeit a little on the heavyweight side |
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| 20:22.54 | JohGro | andywww: the debian wiki suggests "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ hamm contrib main non-free" (wher eyou shoudl use etch instead of hamm). <http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive> |
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| 20:23.26 | Yukiteru | ok, andywww thanks for the information |
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| 20:23.46 | Yukiteru | I see NetBeans X) |
| 20:24.06 | andywww | they released a very nic plugin for python on 6.8 |
| 20:24.07 | staniel | hello... how can I completely remove gnome and xorg and all their libraries from a system? |
| 20:24.19 | andywww | not sure what its up to now but the latest I don't think supports that plugin |
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| 20:25.38 | andywww | JohGro: that's worked nicely, thanks |
| 20:25.47 | zykotick9 | staniel, "apt-get remove xorg gnome-core" should remove MOST of it - you might need an "apt-get autoremove" after? |
| 20:25.52 | Yukiteru | ok, i used debian stable, i try netbeans and see what it's going |
| 20:25.59 | wols | !tell staniel about remove gnome |
| 20:26.30 | staniel | thanks guys :) |
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| 20:26.58 | treebeen | is there no xorg.conf.d anymore? or should I just create it? (sid) |
| 20:27.08 | suzi | i've got an old machine running ubuntu 9.10 and did a aptitude install lubuntu-desktop, which is cool, could I then do dist-upgrade lubuntu to make it current? |
| 20:27.17 | andywww | Yukiteru: some reading: http://regebro.wordpress.com/2010/10/09/is-there-a-better-python-ide/ |
| 20:27.20 | treebeen | need to set some properties for my touchpad... |
| 20:27.23 | wols | suzi: this is #debian, not #lubuntu |
| 20:27.38 | suzi | whoops, sorry |
| 20:27.39 | wols | treebeen: there is none. you can create it if you want to |
| 20:27.44 | Yukiteru | reading the link XD |
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| 20:28.02 | treebeen | wols: is there a new location for such a config? |
| 20:28.08 | suzi | been running xfce mint which is debian on another older machine, forgot where i was |
| 20:28.09 | wols | no. same |
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| 20:28.15 | treebeen | wols: ok, thanks |
| 20:28.17 | ompaul | !mint |
| 20:28.17 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 20:28.51 | nezZario | huh |
| 20:29.21 | nezZario | when I installed the php5 meta package (virtual package, whatever), .. I was under the assumption it would enable it in apache for me? |
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| 20:32.41 | JohGro | I would have assumed libapache2-mod-php5 would do that or that its documentation would explain how to. |
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| 20:49.05 | _Dave123_ | "Please specify the network blocks for which this host should relay mail" what should this be likely for me in postfix? |
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| 20:51.23 | Pymous | Someone know how to DL from MegaUpload with a premium account from my dedicated server ? |
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| 20:51.31 | Pymous | Plowshare is like... ULTRA SLOW :( |
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| 20:54.55 | NekawA | i just installed encrypted lvm, when asked for pw in cryptsetup on boot, my usb keyboard numlock goes off and i cant type |
| 20:55.08 | NekawA | any ideas? |
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| 20:55.39 | pbase | how to resolve this error - gyach: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:58.37 | JohGro | You find the shared library, and make seure it is available in the path. |
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| 20:58.43 | mosted | hello |
| 20:58.51 | mosted | i have a debian |
| 20:58.54 | NekawA | hi |
| 20:58.58 | mosted | i can ping google.be |
| 20:59.04 | mosted | but my browser doesn"t work |
| 20:59.14 | JohGro | Debian seems to cintain libexpat.so.1, and I have no idea about the differences. |
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| 20:59.24 | mosted | what can i do? |
| 20:59.39 | mosted | it turn in a VMWare |
| 21:00.21 | format_c | mosted: what does "doesn't work"Jean? |
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| 21:01.10 | NekawA | johgro did u try aptfile and search |
| 21:01.38 | JohGro | I tried packages.debian.org |
| 21:01.45 | mosted | it means that when i want to see the google home page, my browser say "The server google.com is taking to long to respond" |
| 21:01.47 | NekawA | no |
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| 21:01.59 | mosted | it's strange bcause i can ping it |
| 21:02.00 | NekawA | install apt-file |
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| 21:02.11 | NekawA | then apt-file update |
| 21:02.18 | SerajewelKS | mosted: this is probably a vmware networking configuration problem. ask in #vmware first. |
| 21:02.26 | NekawA | then aptfile search .so.0 |
| 21:02.47 | NekawA | it will tell u what package its in.. |
| 21:02.53 | sauvin | mosted, when you ping it, is it by ip or by url? |
| 21:02.59 | mosted | url |
| 21:03.12 | sauvin | dead dns, maybe? |
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| 21:03.39 | mosted | i try "vi /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 21:04.05 | sauvin | Grr. the vmware folks can probably help you better than I can. I just realised my question was stupid. |
| 21:04.07 | mosted | i see "nameserver 192.168.139.2" |
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| 21:07.29 | format_c | mosted: what does wget http://www.google.com result in? |
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| 21:10.29 | fizzlefozzle | wget -r http://www.google.com/* |
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| 21:13.59 | mosted | why Sudo ? |
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| 21:14.18 | mosted | loool |
| 21:14.26 | mosted | it was a problem of firewall |
| 21:14.33 | mosted | but now i can't do a update |
| 21:14.38 | mosted | with apt get |
| 21:14.43 | mosted | sudo are not installed |
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| 21:15.53 | JohGro | mosted: switch to root with su, then apt-get update |
| 21:16.11 | mosted | ok |
| 21:16.50 | mosted | thx |
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| 21:20.35 | mosted | let's go to use DEBIAN ! |
| 21:20.39 | mosted | hhihihi |
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| 21:22.08 | nezZario | Is there no debian domu installation kernel ? |
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| 21:25.16 | NekawA | i just used xm-create nezzario u can use debootstrap and do whichever kernel u want |
| 21:25.33 | NekawA | ^^ using xen as hypervisor |
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| 21:26.30 | nezZario | dude, i have a netbsd dom0 |
| 21:26.42 | nezZario | i can't even find a runnable kernel |
| 21:26.53 | nezZario | i guess i'll install it as a hvm and work from there |
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| 21:27.27 | NekawA | oh u must be lost..this is #debian not #*bsd :p |
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| 21:28.25 | nezZario | well the docs really suck on the wiki for installing a domu |
| 21:28.46 | nezZario | like i said, I can't even find the debian xen domu kernel |
| 21:28.52 | NekawA | yea i know and i'm just teasing |
| 21:29.10 | nezZario | I thought there was a way to install debian manually |
| 21:29.20 | NekawA | I believe when u make a domu in xen is uses debians program debootstrap |
| 21:29.30 | NekawA | u can install debian with a cd |
| 21:29.44 | nezZario | like, I could boot a centos box or something and extract the sets over to an empty partition |
| 21:29.59 | NekawA | indeed |
| 21:30.10 | nezZario | NekawA, any idea where to find docs for that ? |
| 21:30.14 | NekawA | from what I understand most people make their own images..like the providers who drop debian on vps's, etc.. |
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| 21:30.22 | nezZario | I've surely been looking for about 30 minutes... |
| 21:31.27 | NekawA | nezzario i would probably use a guide something like http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-debian-squeeze-6.0-domu-on-centos-5.5-x86_64-dom0 |
| 21:31.52 | NekawA | but if u can get centos installed then u should have access to the programs u need like xm create and what not |
| 21:32.20 | NekawA | i'm not the most learned person myself, I just ran xen for awhile and that was the only easy way for me to create vps's was with the xm create script |
| 21:32.36 | nezZario | yes...the issue is the lack of the OS.. |
| 21:33.07 | NekawA | well what is dom0 |
| 21:33.17 | nezZario | my dom0 is NetBSD -CURRENT |
| 21:33.21 | NekawA | ohhhh |
| 21:33.23 | nezZario | here is the installation kernel |
| 21:33.24 | nezZario | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/20110106+b1/images/netboot/xen/ |
| 21:33.33 | nezZario | tucked away very quietly deep in the ftp |
| 21:33.34 | NekawA | does netbsd not have xm create? |
| 21:33.39 | nezZario | xm+xl yes |
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| 21:33.53 | NekawA | sooo u should be able to follow that guide I think then.. |
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| 21:34.04 | NekawA | give or take compiling / changing a few things.. |
| 21:34.36 | NekawA | nezZario: if u just search debian live |
| 21:34.42 | NekawA | then the livecd and the netboot would come right up |
| 21:34.50 | NekawA | i think its live.debian.com but don't quote me |
| 21:35.06 | owen1 | i run debian in vbox on a macbookpro (15-inch, mid 2010). how to enable the middle click with the touchpad (i think 3 fingers would paste)? |
| 21:35.19 | nezZario | do you have any idea what those numbers are in the FTP are? |
| 21:35.29 | nezZario | I'm extremely unfamiliar with debian's finer points |
| 21:35.37 | nezZario | I'm just trying to get the most recent stable |
| 21:36.02 | nezZario | squeeze3.. that sounds most current |
| 21:36.21 | NekawA | hmm |
| 21:36.27 | NekawA | i think 6.0.2 in topic is most stable |
| 21:36.31 | NekawA | those #'s look like date |
| 21:36.43 | nezZario | oh my god, .. and people wonder why I used bsd :( |
| 21:36.54 | nezZario | 6.0.2 .. squeeze 3.. why not have one simple versioning system? |
| 21:37.13 | NekawA | yah its a little ridiculous |
| 21:37.29 | NekawA | i was running squeeze for awhile when it was beta..then all of a sudden squeeze is not beta anymore I didn't even realize i'd gone stable by doing nothing |
| 21:37.37 | sauvin | What's not simple about 6.0.3? |
| 21:38.07 | nezZario | everything is simple about 6.0.3 |
| 21:38.14 | nezZario | why is there code names for every version? |
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| 21:38.23 | nezZario | lenny, squeeze, wtf |
| 21:38.28 | NekawA | lol |
| 21:38.38 | sauvin | Most distros have versioned code names. So what? |
| 21:39.03 | nezZario | oh, i guess in bsd we just call it as it is |
| 21:39.05 | NekawA | confusing |
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| 21:39.22 | nezZario | there's x.x .. most have something like -release -stable -current |
| 21:39.34 | sauvin | I'll admit in ##linux when people ask for help with Ubuntu CrypticName I'll yell at them to give me actual version numbers. |
| 21:40.04 | nezZario | at least there are xen installation kernel/ramdisk |
| 21:40.05 | sauvin | I can't even freaking remember what levels Shrike or Yarrow were at. |
| 21:40.15 | nezZario | that's more than freebsd had .. which is why i'm going debian .. |
| 21:40.23 | nezZario | freebsd has shit xen support .. |
| 21:40.34 | nezZario | friend of mine showed me debian and i don't dislike it |
| 21:40.40 | sauvin | I suspect most of the bsds are going to lag behind linux in development. |
| 21:40.47 | NekawA | so first u say so what..now u admit its a problem |
| 21:40.48 | NekawA | interesting |
| 21:41.00 | nezZario | sauvin that's a dangerous assumption |
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| 21:41.11 | sauvin | No, my "so what" means it doesn't mean anything. if you want my help, you'll give me numbers or I'll just say "Dunno what that is". |
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| 21:41.29 | nezZario | it all depends on perspective, I try to stay unbiased, .. it's a hit or miss in either direction when it comes to the finer points |
| 21:41.29 | sauvin | I said "suspect", not "assume". Reading comprehension, much? |
| 21:41.48 | nezZario | i try to stay educated on it all |
| 21:41.55 | sauvin | Then learn to read. |
| 21:42.53 | NekawA | weird logic |
| 21:43.20 | nezZario | I would say 'assumption' and 'suspect' are pretty much synonyms, but I sure didn't come here to argue, musless english |
| 21:43.59 | nezZario | i would really like to try a debian dom0 |
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| 21:44.17 | nezZario | see if it might take advantage of hyperthreading |
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| 21:45.31 | mosted | Where can i found an updated sources.list ? |
| 21:45.54 | mosted | because i can't install nfs-kernel-server with the basic sources.list |
| 21:45.58 | sauvin | sources.list shouldn't need updating; the repos are themselves "updated" on the remote. |
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| 21:46.23 | mosted | so why can i install nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 21:46.43 | mosted | "Enable to locate package nfs-kernel..." |
| 21:46.48 | sauvin | Which debian are you running, mosted...? |
| 21:46.57 | mosted | the last one |
| 21:47.16 | th0r | well....that clears that up |
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| 21:47.36 | NekawA | yes it does |
| 21:47.40 | NekawA | he's running the one before the current |
| 21:47.54 | th0r | NekawA: no, wouldn't the current one be the last one? |
| 21:47.55 | mosted | i downloaded it today |
| 21:48.02 | th0r | hehehe |
| 21:48.04 | sauvin | "the last one". |
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| 21:48.23 | nezZario | man, |
| 21:48.32 | nezZario | how the hell do you people put together your OS? |
| 21:48.36 | mosted | sorry but my mother language is french.. so try to speak french like a speak english.. |
| 21:48.56 | sauvin | Sheah, right. Mmkay, quel distro t'as telecharge, mosted? |
| 21:49.22 | mosted | sauvin, j'ai télécharger la toute dernier Debian disponible sur le site , le CD1 |
| 21:49.36 | NekawA | mosted |
| 21:49.39 | NekawA | they're not making fun of your language |
| 21:49.44 | NekawA | they want to know what version your debian ie |
| 21:49.50 | NekawA | IE - squeeze 6.0.1, wheezy, lenny |
| 21:49.51 | sauvin | Quel site, quel "dernier", et c'est quoi son putain de nom? |
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| 21:49.58 | nezZario | ohhh my god what's with the names |
| 21:50.05 | th0r | NekawA: they don't have version numbers in french. |
| 21:50.06 | nezZario | what version # is squeeze 3? |
| 21:50.10 | mosted | it's version 6.0 |
| 21:50.17 | nezZario | 6.0.0 ? |
| 21:50.25 | NekawA | th0r I believe there are 3 examples.. |
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| 21:50.47 | mosted | exactly 6.0.2.1 |
| 21:50.57 | sauvin | recherche |
| 21:51.00 | mosted | for i386 |
| 21:51.08 | nezZario | hm, I need a name for this server |
| 21:51.14 | nezZario | I'm going to call it.. juice |
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| 21:52.45 | sauvin | mosted, si tu tapes "apt-cache search nfs-server-kernel", ca rend quelque chose? |
| 21:52.51 | nezZario | como esta. |
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| 21:53.43 | mosted | sauvin , " Invalide operation search " |
| 21:54.18 | sauvin | o.O |
| 21:54.31 | mosted | yes, strange.. |
| 21:54.46 | sauvin | I'm thinking you're not running Debian. |
| 21:55.04 | mosted | i can take a screenshot if you want :D |
| 21:55.04 | th0r | how do you say debian in french? |
| 21:55.20 | sauvin | Debbie Ahgn. |
| 21:55.36 | mosted | we said : machine à gaze virulante qui fonctionne quand elle veut |
| 21:55.44 | rypervenche | Tu le dis à la française quoi. |
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| 21:55.46 | sauvin | hi hi hi |
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| 21:56.08 | sauvin | Chez nous c'est le "confondeur". |
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| 21:57.10 | NekawA | well i'm very said i couldn't use encrypted lvm :( |
| 21:57.16 | NekawA | sad** |
| 21:57.18 | nezZario | why not? |
| 21:57.25 | NekawA | my usb keyboard is not detected |
| 21:57.32 | nezZario | well that's just strange |
| 21:57.34 | NekawA | been asking for a couple days now if anyone had similar problem |
| 21:57.37 | NekawA | the usb keyboard works |
| 21:57.42 | NekawA | i can edit grub2 and bios.. |
| 21:57.47 | mosted | look at .. |
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| 21:58.00 | NekawA | but then once it loads the ramdisk after that it loads cryptsetup, and then, the numlock light goes off, and keyboard doesn't work |
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| 21:58.23 | NekawA | so i can't put in my password..i could make a key..but then whats the point in having it encrypted in the first place if it just turns right on with key |
| 21:58.24 | mosted | sauvin, http://projet87.lescigales.org/debian4.jpg |
| 21:59.14 | sauvin | Grr.. j'ai dit APT-CACHE, pas APT-GET! apt-cache search nfs-kernel-server |
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| 21:59.18 | abec0 | apt-cache search. |
| 21:59.31 | abec0 | (pas apt-get) |
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| 21:59.48 | debiantonio | debian is polyglot! |
| 21:59.50 | NekawA | sauvid, mosted, maybe this package is in non-free repo? and not in the main one |
| 22:00.00 | format_c | mosted: use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 22:00.03 | sauvin | According to synaptic, it's in main. |
| 22:00.04 | nezZario | hey I have debian installing |
| 22:00.05 | NekawA | i've gotten a server that didn't have non-free repo' added.. |
| 22:00.15 | mosted | apt-cache search nfs-kernel-server , return nothing.. |
| 22:00.24 | format_c | Aptitude Unterstands search |
| 22:00.35 | cdicdi | is there something one needs to do in order to get a regular shell script file to run on boot on debian? |
| 22:00.41 | mosted | ok ok it was my fault |
| 22:00.53 | cdicdi | i keep getting rc.local failed to start or bin/sh: illegal option - |
| 22:01.14 | sauvin | cdicdi, you were already read the riot act on that idiotic script and your worthless boss. |
| 22:01.19 | NekawA | hmm..must be a bad rc.local file cdicdi |
| 22:01.43 | cdicdi | i know i still gotta get it executing before i can change it |
| 22:01.51 | cdicdi | its his problem not mine |
| 22:01.54 | mosted | sauvin , apt-cache search nfs-kernel-server , return nothing.. |
| 22:02.05 | sauvin | You'll GET executed if you ever succeed in running it. |
| 22:02.16 | NekawA | lol |
| 22:02.18 | cdicdi | im an intern lol |
| 22:02.49 | sauvin | mosted, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:04.14 | dreamer | so, which iso is a 'proper' live image? |
| 22:04.26 | dreamer | (I feel I'm running into circles sometimes) |
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| 22:04.39 | dreamer | every time I have to scavange the web looking for one it seems |
| 22:04.45 | mosted | sauvin , http://paste.debian.net/127602 |
| 22:05.19 | sauvin | Bon sang, mosted, tu n'as PAS de repo! |
| 22:05.53 | mosted | it's not my fault, i installed debian directly |
| 22:06.10 | mosted | i was thinking, debian perfectly setted |
| 22:06.19 | sauvin | I can see that. The problem is, I don't know anything about setting up repos for French users. |
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| 22:06.39 | sauvin | I'm in the US; are there any French debian users in the channel awake? |
| 22:06.48 | mosted | it think it something like ftp.debian.be |
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| 22:07.08 | mosted | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list.fr.html |
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| 22:07.15 | abec0 | Sure, but is there something special to DO to setup an sources.list ? |
| 22:07.32 | abec0 | I can't remember having done anything special. |
| 22:07.38 | sauvin | mosted needs a working sources.list for Belgian users. |
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| 22:07.50 | sauvin | All HE has are the security repos. |
| 22:07.54 | rhenani | hello guys I wanted to know if I could use rm -r to delete a directory |
| 22:08.04 | rhenani | if that's the best option... |
| 22:08.07 | Onryo | is there a debian channel that sorts out bugs. That bug#626076 (Severity: grave) is really getting on my nerves. |
| 22:08.31 | mosted | i can add a line with the depo , i don't know the syntaxe |
| 22:08.52 | dreamer | gah, why isn't anyone working on the debian-live project it seems? |
| 22:08.56 | dreamer | no current images |
| 22:09.03 | dreamer | and the live builder doesn't even work |
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| 22:09.39 | mosted | something link this , deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ queeze/updates main |
| 22:10.34 | abec0 | I have this on one box: deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian/ squeeze main |
| 22:10.53 | abec0 | (nerim being an ISP) |
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| 22:11.20 | abec0 | Plus one line with security: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 22:11.52 | mosted | nobody has a sources.list for Belgian users ? |
| 22:12.25 | sauvin | mosted, here's mine, but mine is American. You'll probably want to edit it. http://paste.debian.net/127604/ |
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| 22:13.27 | mosted | sauvin thx i will try |
| 22:13.28 | abec0 | Never tried, but Google told me this: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 22:13.46 | abec0 | («Debian Sources List Generator») |
| 22:14.08 | mete | swiss quality |
| 22:14.09 | mete | ;) |
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| 22:14.52 | sauvin | Yea... that looks good... http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php |
| 22:15.05 | abec0 | It basically gives you two lines, one being deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib , the oher deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib |
| 22:15.08 | sauvin | Oh, it's a php? :sigh: |
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| 22:16.15 | abec0 | Ther was a apt-setup a xhile ago, though. No ? |
| 22:16.37 | abec0 | Maybe it is now called netselect-apt |
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| 22:19.32 | abec0 | «This package provides a utility that can choose the best Debian mirror by downloading the full mirror list and using netselect to find the fastest/closest one. It can output a sources.list(5) file...» |
| 22:19.54 | bst | dpkg: geo sources.list |
| 22:19.55 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
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| 22:24.04 | mosted | abec0 thx for your link, it's seem to work |
| 22:24.14 | mosted | i wait the first bug.. |
| 22:24.59 | mosted | it install nfs-kernel-server, nice |
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| 22:32.41 | zutme | How will debian react if I take an existing install and move it over to completely different hardware. The disk structure would be the same, but every other component would be different. I've done something similar in the past with another distro and had to recompile my kernel. I don't think that's necessary nowadays. Any thoughts. |
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| 22:34.01 | sauvin | Hope your new machine's ACPI isn't different enough to cause debian to fry it. |
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| 22:35.17 | zutme | sauvin, so a fresh install is my safest bet then? |
| 22:35.42 | sauvin | I can't comment, except to say I'd have fears. I've *always* done fresh installs. |
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| 22:36.56 | mosted | a tt |
| 22:38.02 | montezaus | i was using samba to share files between computers but i was putting all the files, that i want to share, to a fixed default folder. do you know how can i add a completely new folder? |
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| 22:38.39 | th0r | montezaus: you create a new share. Are you using swat? |
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| 22:38.59 | montezaus | hm swat? |
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| 22:39.17 | th0r | montezaus: look into it. web based management for samba....makes life much easier |
| 22:39.37 | montezaus | thanks let me google it =) |
| 22:39.39 | ^kink^ | gday all |
| 22:39.46 | th0r | montezaus: I believe it is in the repos |
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| 22:40.23 | montezaus | so how do i install it? |
| 22:40.46 | montezaus | just switchet to linux, sorry for newbie questions=) |
| 22:40.49 | ^kink^ | if I want to set up an ssh tunnel, does the remote server need to be running squid? or does sshd have a way to just forward the connections onto the internet? |
| 22:41.17 | th0r | montezaus: you should be able to get it through synaptic or using apt-get |
| 22:41.47 | th0r | ^kink^: you do not need squid to set up an ssh tunnel |
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| 22:43.49 | ^kink^ | okay thanks th0r, I'll keep trying I must be doing something wrong |
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| 22:45.08 | th0r | ^kink^: It has been a few years since I messed with it, but as I recall when you connect to the server you tell it in the connect commandline what ports to set up for forwarding |
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| 22:45.54 | montezaus | th0r: i've installed it now. how do i use it in this case |
| 22:46.00 | ^kink^ | thnx th0r |
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| 22:47.09 | th0r | montezaus: it has been a while, so check for a howto on the web. But you open a browser and use localhost:901...that is the port number swat runs on |
| 22:47.40 | th0r | montezaus: you should be able to handle almost all samba issues via swat. |
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| 22:48.13 | montezaus | i see, thnx a lot |
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| 22:55.13 | qmr | What's a terminal program that's just a white on black terminal, no extra bullshit? |
| 22:55.21 | qmr | gnome-terminal makes me want to murder strangers |
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| 22:55.37 | phogg | qmr: most can be configured that way |
| 22:55.45 | bklive | urxvt |
| 22:55.45 | phogg | qmr: and I presume you mean grey90 on black |
| 22:55.53 | qmr | I don't want to configure shit, I just want a terminal |
| 22:55.56 | qmr | yea gray on black, sounds great |
| 22:56.14 | phogg | xterm may default to white on black or black on white, depending. I've seen it both ways. Anyway, it's easy to configure. |
| 22:56.37 | phogg | qmr: I believe even gnome-terminal supports themes which will get you there in a minimal number of clicks |
| 22:56.40 | phogg | konsole, similarly |
| 22:57.01 | th0r | qmr: don't you already have xterm? |
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| 22:58.12 | qmr | gnome terminal also slow as balls |
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| 22:58.23 | qmr | ok, I'll try xterm. gnome-terminal 52 libraries, xterm 24 |
| 22:58.31 | th0r | qmr: you will get more assistance without the expletives |
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| 23:20.04 | c0dyhi11 | Hello. I am looking for some help. I'm failry new to linux and am trying to build a package from source. I get an error "You do not appear to have the sources for the 2.6.33.6 kernel installed."linux-source-2.6" and i see the package "linux-source-2.6.32" But i do not see "linux-source-2.6.33" |
| 23:20.20 | c0dyhi11 | How do i get the sources or 2.6.33.6 installed? |
| 23:20.41 | shbk | hello, I 've makefile. it's whole file: obj-m += hello.o |
| 23:20.41 | shbk | all: |
| 23:20.42 | shbk | make -C /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules , when I do make, I receive: "make: Nothing to be done for `all'." I'm confused |
| 23:20.42 | shbk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:25.28 | shbk | http://paste.debian.net/127607/ |
| 23:26.09 | shbk | I've read it in modules.txt, it must work , but doesn't |
| 23:26.13 | shbk | help me |
| 23:27.15 | th0r | shbk: you would have better luck in #c maybe |
| 23:27.42 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: and advice for my previous question? |
| 23:27.52 | c0dyhi11 | any* |
| 23:28.19 | th0r | c0dyhi11: I think it might be kernel-source |
| 23:28.29 | c0dyhi11 | thanks i'll try that |
| 23:29.23 | th0r | c0dyhi11: nope...it is linux-source-<version> |
| 23:29.32 | th0r | c0dyhi11: it is available via synaptic |
| 23:30.06 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: what is in you sources.list? i don't have it available |
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| 23:30.33 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: apt-get and synaptic use the same repositories right? |
| 23:30.50 | th0r | c0dyhi11: right. Do you have the sources enabled in synaptic? |
| 23:31.08 | c0dyhi11 | i have linux-source-2.6.32 but not 2.6.33 |
| 23:31.13 | c0dyhi11 | yes |
| 23:31.59 | th0r | c0dyhi11: now that you point it out, I don't have .33 either. How did you get .33 installed? If it was through the repos then the source should be there |
| 23:32.26 | c0dyhi11 | i did a distupgrade this morning |
| 23:33.03 | c0dyhi11 | I was running woody and just did a dist upgrade to squeez |
| 23:33.21 | c0dyhi11 | not woody... lenny*** |
| 23:33.51 | th0r | c0dyhi11: and 'uname -a' shows you running .33? |
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| 23:34.25 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: Yep! "Linux srv-phone001 2.6.33.6 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 8 03:18:41 EST 2011 armv5tel GNU/Linux" |
| 23:34.55 | c0dyhi11 | i ame running on arm. Does that matter? |
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| 23:36.08 | th0r | might. I just updated my sources and still see no .33 anywhere. (running up to date squeeze) |
| 23:36.25 | c0dyhi11 | what kernel version are you on? |
| 23:37.05 | th0r | 2.6.32, although I think there is .38 in synaptic |
| 23:37.18 | c0dyhi11 | hmmm... |
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| 23:37.42 | c0dyhi11 | maybe 33 is an ARM build |
| 23:38.12 | th0r | c0dyhi11: that may very well be, I just noticed that .32 is the latest i386, but there are later for other arch's |
| 23:39.16 | c0dyhi11 | is there a way to manually get the sources "Instaled" without a package in apt-get? |
| 23:39.19 | th0r | c0dyhi11: still if you got it via the repos I would expect a matching source. |
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| 23:39.35 | c0dyhi11 | yeah it's odd |
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| 23:40.09 | th0r | c0dyhi11: you might first try just installing the header files....often that is all that is required. It has been a while since I compiled modules, but I think you need the full source for that. |
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| 23:41.59 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: http://paste.debian.net/127608/ |
| 23:42.24 | c0dyhi11 | I don't know which header is hould get. There are some for 2.6 and 2.6.32 |
| 23:42.42 | th0r | c0dyhi11: but I don't see any for arm |
| 23:43.00 | c0dyhi11 | kirkwood is my build |
| 23:43.08 | c0dyhi11 | and i have that one installed |
| 23:43.09 | owen1 | i run debian in vbox. i click 'install guest additions' but nothing happened. any ideas? |
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| 23:43.44 | th0r | owen1: that will mount the cdrom, but you need to go to /media/VBox.... and run the linux.bin package |
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| 23:44.13 | owen1 | th0r: oh. thanks! |
| 23:44.14 | th0r | owen1: it doesn't autorun like in windows |
| 23:44.55 | th0r | owen1: you will need some things installed first, build-essential, dkms, and maybe something else...dont' recall right off |
| 23:45.01 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: I wish my issue was the easily answered. :-D |
| 23:45.20 | c0dyhi11 | that* |
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| 23:45.37 | th0r | c0dyhi11: yeah, I wish I could help. I always assumed if you could get the kernel via the repos you could also get the source |
| 23:46.10 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 23:46.30 | c0dyhi11 | what happens when you instal linux-source-version? |
| 23:46.33 | th0r | c0dyhi11: but I think if you can find the proper arm source anywhere on the web you can use it. If it isn't a deb you willl probably have to create a link or two...and run 'make oldconfig' to get the existing config |
| 23:47.04 | owen1 | th0r: i have build-essential and dkms. in media i don't see Vbox folder |
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| 23:47.53 | th0r | owen1: is the cdrom icon on the desktop? When you click on Install Guest Additions the icon should show up. |
| 23:48.14 | th0r | owen1: it will be named something like 'VirtualBox Guest Addtions' or some such |
| 23:48.57 | owen1 | th0r: i don't use gnome/xfce so i don't have Desktop |
| 23:49.05 | owen1 | th0r: using awesomeWM |
| 23:49.32 | c0dyhi11 | th0r: do you think this would work for me? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.33/ "linux-source-2.6.33_2.6.33-020633_all.deb" |
| 23:49.52 | c0dyhi11 | or is the kernel two different for ubuntu? |
| 23:49.54 | th0r | owen1: check 'mount' and see if the cdrom is mounted. |
| 23:50.36 | owen1 | th0r: it's not |
| 23:50.46 | th0r | c0dyhi11: It won't hurt to try it...you can always uninstall it later. Having extra sources on the drive won't hurt anything |
| 23:51.17 | c0dyhi11 | Th0r: thanks! Wish me luck |
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| 23:52.29 | th0r | owen1: you can mount the guest additions iso manually. You will need to find it (usually in the virtualbox folder) and then issue the mount command, which I think is 'mount -t iso9660 /virtualboxfolder/guestadditions /mnt |
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| 23:52.59 | th0r | owen1: that would mount the guest additions to /mnt.....you only need them mounted for a few minutes til you get them compiled and installed |
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| 23:53.25 | th0r | owen1: and you need to edit the /virtualboxfolder/guestadditions also...I am not sure the exact names |
| 23:54.15 | owen1 | th0r: 1 sec. when you asked me to run mount. it was in my debian, not the host, correct? |
| 23:54.33 | th0r | owen1: right |
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| 23:54.53 | th0r | owen1: it should all be done in your guest debian install, not the host |
| 23:55.23 | th0r | owen1: although the guest additions will reside on the host |
| 23:56.10 | th0r | owen1: hmm...no, wait, my bad. |
| 23:56.22 | th0r | owen1: give me a sec to get vbox up |
| 23:56.31 | owen1 | th0r: np. thanks |
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| 23:57.31 | th0r | owen1: ok, first thing...before you boot up the debian guest...bring up virtualbox, highlight the guest, and choose Settings |
| 23:58.10 | owen1 | ok |
| 23:58.26 | th0r | owen1: then in the Settings window, choose Storage, highlight the CDrom, and click on the little disk icon to the right of CD/DVD Drive |
| 23:59.01 | owen1 | ok. i am in my debian now, so i'll do that after u'll be done instructing me.. |
| 23:59.03 | th0r | owen1: THAT is where you have to find the GuestAdditions and tell virtualbox about them. That will mount the guest additions to the debian CD when you boot it up |
| 23:59.32 | th0r | owen1: what are you running for the host? Windows or another linux? |
