| 00:00.09 | Hydroxide | it does have a staggering amount of its own intelligence, but it also can't fit it in the mbr boot block |
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| 00:00.45 | gnarface | alright, well thanks for your help. at least its working right now. i'm gonna reboot to see if the /dev/sda+sdb ordering settled down now. i think i was also getting confused by my bios's behavior; i just realized on the last boot that every time the new drive failed to boot, the bios would automatically drop it back to the secondary drive without telling me |
| 00:01.18 | gnarface | has so much rage right now |
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| 00:01.36 | Hydroxide | he certainly does :) |
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| 00:02.56 | DummyMode | hi |
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| 00:07.17 | Bogus8 | I seem to have a malfunctioning raid5... one disk seems gone completely (even fdisk -l doesn't see it) ... it's causing my entire system to hang on boot. Shouldn't it just boot hung up? |
| 00:07.19 | jerware | the nfs server isn't working. why? http://codepad.org/kqHkUN9a |
| 00:07.50 | Bogus8 | *not hung up... but limping along with just 3 disks (out of 4) |
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| 00:21.30 | gnarface | Hydroxide: so now it seems to comes up using the right drive by default every time as long as i don't interrupt the boot (in which case the bios will demote that drive and promote the old one to primary, permanently, until i go change it back manually) but the /dev node still comes up as sda or sdb at random basically, alternating with the old one. its not a big deal for fstab cause it uses uuid's but its an annoyance. |
| 00:22.05 | gnarface | Hydroxide: is there any way to force the drivers to load the drives in specific order, sortof like how you can use the index= option to force soundcard modules to initialize in a specific order? |
| 00:22.52 | MrHatter | i have a partition that when i try to write to it i am told it there is no space left on the device, however when I 'df -h' there is space showing, I have mounted the partition with a boot disk and then i can write to it fine, could this be anything else besides a compromise ? I can find any signs of a compromise... |
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| 00:23.20 | MrHatter | i mean 'can't' find any signs of a compromise |
| 00:23.20 | blast_hardcheese | MrHatter: ext* filesystems reserve 5% of the disk as root-only access |
| 00:23.33 | blast_hardcheese | so that even if the disk fills up, you're not screwed. |
| 00:23.42 | MrHatter | blast_hardcheese, there is plenty of space, not just a little |
| 00:23.45 | blast_hardcheese | you still have enough space to do maintanance |
| 00:23.50 | blast_hardcheese | how big is the disk, how much is free? |
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| 00:24.02 | mah454 | selinux or apparmor ? |
| 00:24.12 | MrHatter | the partition is around 10G, there is around 4gb free |
| 00:24.23 | MrHatter | no selinux or apparmor |
| 00:24.24 | blast_hardcheese | mah454: Not from a boot disk |
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| 00:25.42 | mah454 | MrHatter why ? |
| 00:25.45 | blast_hardcheese | MrHatter: tune2fs -m 5? |
| 00:25.50 | MrHatter | mah454, why what ? |
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| 00:26.07 | MrHatter | mah454, its a default lenny install |
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| 00:27.17 | mah454 | MrHatter i go to compile kernel 3 . |
| 00:28.27 | blast_hardcheese | So, somewhere between virtinst versions 0.500.3-2 and 0.600.0-1 someone broke something. Is there a repository of intermediate package versions that I can pull from? This package was fine a month or so ago, now I get an error when I attempt to use it. |
| 00:31.20 | blast_hardcheese | Turns out it's approx version 0.500.6-1 that I had installed |
| 00:31.28 | blast_hardcheese | I still had the deb cached, so I just installed that. |
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| 00:41.52 | Tekk_ | is there any way to restrict a repository to just a few apps? |
| 00:42.07 | Tekk_ | like, I'm assuming that gnome shell is in sid |
| 00:42.28 | Tekk_ | I'd like to be able to use gnome shell in wheezy, but I don't want to risk the move to sid outright |
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| 00:43.46 | autark | Greetings all. Attempting to install Debian from a Live CD on a Gateway and hitting a wall at installing a bootloader. Both GRUB and LILO fail. Any suggestions? Tx. |
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| 00:45.38 | LuckyStar | hello |
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| 00:46.17 | n-iCe | hi LuckyStar |
| 00:46.30 | Tekk_ | LuckyStar: hi |
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| 00:46.53 | LuckyStar | oh, is this name a well known one? |
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| 00:47.13 | LuckyStar | i have a problem about mounting share files |
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| 00:50.24 | mah454 | i receive this message for compile kernel 3 : /usr/src/linux-3.0.1/arch/x86/Makefile:81: stack protector enabled but no compiler support |
| 00:50.36 | lakcaj | Tekk_, this might help http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 00:50.58 | LuckyStar | mount.vboxsf GPS /mnt/vbox_share tells me vboxsf :mounting failed with the error:no such device, any ideas |
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| 00:52.34 | th0r | LuckyStar: still working on that? if you want, we can take it by the numbers, I have my vbox running |
| 00:52.45 | lakcaj | Tekk_, or, according to the dpkg bot, you may want to look at backports |
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| 00:53.12 | LuckyStar | th0r, what's the taking by the numbers |
| 00:53.23 | th0r | LuckyStar: I will walk you through setting up a share |
| 00:53.23 | lakcaj | LuckyStar, shouldn't GPS be a device that you're trying to mount. What type of file is GPS? |
| 00:53.38 | LuckyStar | NTFS |
| 00:54.05 | th0r | LuckyStar: exit the guest, and start the virtualbox manager |
| 00:54.05 | LuckyStar | ehh, wait, some GPS mps |
| 00:54.15 | LuckyStar | s/mps/maps |
| 00:54.44 | smugglerinc | I tried to make a new alias mailbox with 660 permissions with root owner and mail as group. When I try to send mail to it I receive a undelivered mail bounce. with the error message "cannot append message to file /var/mail/random: cannot open file: Permission denied" What could be a cause? |
| 00:55.59 | LuckyStar | done |
| 00:56.35 | th0r | LuckyStar: click once on the debian in the left window, then click on Settings |
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| 00:57.12 | mah454 | what is this message : /usr/src/linux-3.0.1/arch/x86/Makefile:81: stack protector enabled but no compiler support |
| 00:57.15 | LuckyStar | th0r, yes |
| 00:57.25 | th0r | LuckyStar: in the settings window, click on Shared folders on the left side. In the window on the right do you have GPS defined? |
| 00:57.40 | Tekk_ | mah454: basically you enabled an option to protect the stack, which helps with security. However your compile does not support that |
| 00:57.58 | LuckyStar | http://blogs.oracle.com/tao/entry/virtual_box_shared_folder_between |
| 00:58.15 | LuckyStar | do you mean like this |
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| 00:59.06 | th0r | LuckyStar: yes, just like that. Automount should say yes |
| 00:59.13 | mah454 | Tekk_ what version need ? |
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| 00:59.18 | lakcaj | LuckyStar, also, are you trying with sudo? |
| 00:59.24 | Tekk_ | mah454: it's not a version issue, it's a compiler option one |
| 00:59.28 | LuckyStar | no |
| 00:59.38 | Tekk_ | mah454: your kernel won't work any worse if you disable it |
| 00:59.46 | mah454 | Tekk_ excuse me ... i can not understand ! |
| 00:59.52 | lakcaj | try sudo mount.vboxsf GPS /mnt/vbox_share |
| 01:00.02 | Tekk_ | mah454: I suggest just disabling it in the kernel |
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| 01:00.12 | Tekk_ | mah454: to enable stack protection would mean that you need to build a new gcc |
| 01:00.15 | LuckyStar | ok, but i am using root account with that |
| 01:00.24 | lakcaj | oh, ok then, nm |
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| 01:00.34 | mah454 | Tekk_ ok ... what version ? |
| 01:00.49 | Tekk_ | mah454: version does not matter |
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| 01:01.01 | Tekk_ | mah454: gcc was not built with that option for you, end of story. you need to build a new gcc if you want that |
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| 01:01.21 | mah454 | Tekk_ ok ... |
| 01:01.51 | Tekk_ | mah454: but you can just disable the option in your kernel configuration |
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| 01:03.53 | lakcaj | LuckyStar, http://forum.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&p=152305 |
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| 01:04.13 | LuckyStar | lakcaj, ok |
| 01:04.43 | lakcaj | that looks promising, maybe your linux-headers were not the correct version when the guest additions were installed |
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| 01:06.43 | lakcaj | LuckyStar, and make sure you have the module vboxvfs loaded in the guest OS |
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| 01:12.27 | LuckyStar | lsmod | grep vboxvfs says nothing, iam afraid the module is not installed correctly |
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| 01:24.39 | smugglerinc | I tried to make a new alias mailbox with 660 permissions with root owner and mail as group. When I try to send mail to it I receive a undelivered mail bounce. with the error message "cannot append message to file /var/mail/random: cannot open file: Permission denied" What could be a cause? |
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| 01:27.13 | el_seano | anybody know off the top of their head what kernel version squeeze is running? |
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| 01:28.05 | civillian | el_seano: 2.6.32 I believe |
| 01:28.05 | boudiccas | 2.6.32-6-686 |
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| 01:28.29 | el_seano | you guys rock, thanks :) |
| 01:28.47 | boudiccas | el_seano; but i'm not a guy! i'm female |
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| 01:29.09 | el_seano | we all just siblings under the sun |
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| 01:29.49 | boudiccas | el_seano; cop out! :) |
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| 01:37.11 | jef91 | what package provides the dh_install command? |
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| 01:38.25 | peterrooney | !search |
| 01:38.25 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags>. |
| 01:38.50 | peterrooney | !apt-file |
| 01:38.50 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 01:39.01 | peterrooney | Knew it was here somewhere |
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| 01:44.38 | TuxFighter | Hi, is there any way to add here an "if ps exists" ?:ps ax | grep sw-engine-cgi | awk '{print $1}' | xargs kill -9 |
| 01:44.56 | TuxFighter | so that cron job is only applied if there is such process |
| 01:45.10 | TuxFighter | so that I won´t get an error every time isn´t one |
| 01:46.08 | delron | TuxFighter: you could run a script from cron |
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| 01:46.26 | lakcaj | TuxFighter, maybe user pidof? |
| 01:46.35 | otak | TuxFighter: pgrep |
| 01:46.44 | TuxFighter | pgrep don´t know |
| 01:47.00 | TuxFighter | isn´t here any internal if cause fro processes like for files and directories |
| 01:47.12 | TuxFighter | for perl or bash |
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| 01:50.29 | delron | i thought you could make cron quiet somehow |
| 01:50.53 | TuxFighter | for just this job |
| 01:51.02 | TuxFighter | >/dev/null ? |
| 01:51.11 | TuxFighter | or 2>/dev/null |
| 01:51.18 | delron | yea something like that... |
| 01:51.34 | TuxFighter | good idea I will try it |
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| 01:52.34 | delron | gl, my chat client isnt letting me type... |
| 01:52.59 | delron | ok lol nm |
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| 01:53.35 | lakcaj | TuxFighter, if [ -n `pidof sw-engine-cgi` ]; then echo "do something"; fi |
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| 01:56.58 | lakcaj | TuxFighter, if you want to kill it, then you could: if [ -n `pidof sw-engine-sgi` ]; then kill -9 `pidof sw-engine-cgi`; fi |
| 01:57.08 | Blue1 | !nvidia |
| 01:57.08 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. See <nvidia lenny> for oldstable. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:06.12 | qop | Does anybody use imap with gmail? |
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| 02:07.06 | sweetandy | how sexy is wheezy these days? |
| 02:07.52 | qop | I am having ssl errors when trying to authenticate to pretty much any site unless I do with firefox or chrome, and afer gettting a bunch "socket timed out" errors, I nmapp imap.gmail and it shows 3 ports open but none for impa... |
| 02:08.11 | delron | qop: yes |
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| 02:09.03 | qop | the odd thig is this: I do a request to the server and it replies that only available authentication is clear text ?? I wonder if anybody is trying to intercept my comunication |
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| 02:09.24 | delron | gmail supports imap since 2007 |
| 02:09.30 | qop | isnt it odd? |
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| 02:09.53 | qop | I know, I've been using it untillike 3 months ago |
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| 02:10.30 | delron | hmm idk if it supports imaps |
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| 02:11.10 | delron | imap/pop3 is plaintext |
| 02:11.13 | qop | who? gmail? |
| 02:11.30 | qop | yes, auth was plaintext over ssl |
| 02:11.55 | delron | ok i see your concern hmm |
| 02:12.23 | qop | you can use challenge, cram, ntlm etc too but now it is unencrypted clear text... yeah sure boy |
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| 02:13.07 | qop | so I thought something was wrong with my kde but thunderbird does the same :\ wth |
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| 02:15.24 | delron | i cannot test since i dont use gamil |
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| 02:16.02 | delron | yeah maybe gmail is haxed |
| 02:16.21 | qop | :s |
| 02:16.42 | qop | I've been thinking to build my own, maybe its about time |
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| 02:17.22 | delron | many email services will reject your emails |
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| 02:18.29 | qop | more mail is rejected from webmail services I think |
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| 02:18.54 | qop | oh you mean sendmail local? I meant domain |
| 02:19.11 | delron | unless you can modify pointer record for your ip |
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| 02:19.18 | delron | your isp has to do that |
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| 02:19.42 | qop | I was thinking on a hosted vm |
| 02:19.51 | qop | ec2 or something |
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| 02:20.20 | lighta | hi, I'm trying to downgrading from php5.3 to 5.2, but having some issue with dpkg, may someone can give me a hand or some good links ? I'm tryed to follow this one : http://atom-hosting.com/blog/?p=52 |
| 02:20.25 | delron | im not sure but email is a pita thanks to spammers |
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| 02:21.06 | qop | sorry but dpkg does not downgrade does it |
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| 02:21.56 | qop | delron: is there a choice |
| 02:22.09 | qop | not atm that I know |
| 02:23.12 | lighta | hmm what should I use then ? |
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| 02:23.37 | nezZario | what's the difference between sites-available and sites-enabled exactly? |
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| 02:24.32 | delron | qop: if you have a static ip you can do it |
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| 02:24.58 | nezZario | oh ok, I get it.. |
| 02:25.08 | mosno | nezZario, also, README.Debian would have told you |
| 02:25.11 | qop | lighta: you would not like the answer so... let me ask you... do you positively can not use 5.3? |
| 02:25.13 | delron | again, you will for sure need to modify ptr records with the isp who owns the ip |
| 02:25.17 | qop | do you have options |
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| 02:25.43 | delron | lighta: you could uninstall 5.3 and manually install 5.2 |
| 02:26.00 | qop | delron: yes... but its better to have a remote server, its safer in many ways |
| 02:26.11 | nezZario | sells xen backed virtual machines |
| 02:26.46 | lighta | well I'm not the one making the web script, so I guess yeah there no options, I'm just trying to help a friend here :/ our job ask him to downgrade for some compatibility issues. If it was me yes I'd rather found how to modify code for update but well |
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| 02:27.45 | qop | lighta: I guess delron's solution is teh one with least pain |
| 02:27.56 | qop | though, its gonna hurt |
| 02:28.01 | delron | qop: agreed ^^ idk if you will have problems setting up email, you might just need a email service already setup that you sign up for, or get a static ip usu isps will mod those records if you request |
| 02:29.17 | qop | either case... |
| 02:29.30 | qop | I am still worried that somebody is tryin to hax me |
| 02:29.36 | qop | its been odd lately |
| 02:29.49 | delron | that is wierd... |
| 02:30.13 | qop | since I visited THAT odd site the other day.. |
| 02:30.20 | nezZario | uh |
| 02:30.25 | delron | somebiody here must use gmail with imap lol |
| 02:30.37 | qop | hope so |
| 02:30.54 | delron | THAT? what site |
| 02:31.06 | qop | oh.. eh.. some site hehe |
| 02:31.13 | delron | ahh hmm.. |
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| 02:33.11 | delron | lighta: uninstall 5.3 and get the 5.2 debs and manually install?? dont know how the deps will work there.. if that doesnt work use the source |
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| 02:33.17 | nezZario | if I upgrade apache later |
| 02:33.36 | nezZario | will it overwrite /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 02:35.35 | delron | nezZario: it shouldnt clobber your /etc, but i wouldnt bet on it always clone before trying to 'upgrade' |
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| 02:37.51 | qop | tip nezZario, always do a cp /etc/whatever/conf /etc/whatever.nezZario.conf and get it chattr -i |
| 02:38.17 | qop | so in worse case scenario you can always locate NezZario and voila ;) |
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| 02:38.45 | qop | works for backups too |
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| 02:41.23 | Ningirsu | Hello everybody! Debian noob on Trisquel here with an urgent question. Anybody might help? |
| 02:41.48 | qop | Ningirsu: dont ask, just ask |
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| 02:43.59 | Ningirsu | I just wanted to make sure if this channel's good for asking questions on Trisquel qop . Thanks anyway :) |
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| 02:44.37 | qop | Ningirsu: oh, didnt see the Trisquel part sorry :p |
| 02:44.50 | Ningirsu | I need help on making the light/flash of my embedded webcam work |
| 02:45.23 | ksx4system | how do i use exim4 as default mailer? no real e-mail, only inside operating system |
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| 02:46.18 | Ningirsu | It was automatically lit-up on Windows but I can't seem to figure it out here :/ |
| 02:46.20 | nevyn | ksx4system: so it's default ootb. |
| 02:46.58 | ksx4system | nevyn: it's not, at least on my new provider's fresh VPS image. they set up sendmail with some useless "saslauthd" shit |
| 02:47.16 | delron | ksx4system: idk what the current default is, but if on a fresh install, do not select email then set it up the old fassioned way |
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| 02:47.38 | ksx4system | delron: erm... i can't do install by myself. it's OpenVZ |
| 02:47.45 | nevyn | ksx4system: so that's probably configured to actually be useful. |
| 02:48.03 | nevyn | ie saslauth to a mailrelay.. |
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| 02:48.15 | nevyn | or saslauth for being a pop/imap server |
| 02:48.20 | qop | you can chagnge the email agent with the dpkg reconfigure I think |
| 02:48.34 | ksx4system | nevyn: not really. it's configured to waste as much ram as possible. i'm NOT going to run a real mailserver but i know that Linux needs mailer for some system related magic |
| 02:48.39 | nevyn | qop: which one the user or transport agent |
| 02:48.58 | qop | ta |
| 02:48.58 | nevyn | ksx4system: it makes debugging easier if mail goes somewhere you read. |
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| 02:49.23 | delron | sorry my chat client is laggy... hmm |
| 02:49.42 | qop | I havent play w debian in a while tbh |
| 02:49.57 | ksx4system | nevyn: so it'll be better for me to have working mailer. unfortunately i need something much lighter |
| 02:50.03 | delron | qop: that sounded like good plan ^^ |
| 02:50.24 | evildroid | exim4 doesnt use much ram |
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| 02:50.46 | qop | for local sendmail would be more than enough tho |
| 02:51.03 | delron | ugh sendmail |
| 02:51.07 | qop | and is easier |
| 02:51.19 | Ningirsu | Nobody then?.. |
| 02:51.49 | evildroid | easier? dpkg-reconfigure exim4 poof it sends mail to root or user whichever you pick |
| 02:51.58 | ksx4system | evildroid: that's why i'd like to use it |
| 02:52.10 | qop | ah ok exim it is then :) |
| 02:52.36 | qop | when you do things manually tho thats another story |
| 02:53.09 | delron | Ningirsu: at the point you are at, i would make sure that the webcam is 'fully supported in linux' tm |
| 02:55.11 | qop | Ningirsu: you can unplug and plug back the webcam then run dmesg and notice something like: UVC Camera (046d:09a4) |
| 02:55.32 | qop | google the numbers, or if it say "UVC" then it is supported |
| 02:56.30 | Ningirsu | delron: :/ And how can I do that? One of the other weird problems I'm experimenting is that any suggested command I'm typing down on the terminal responds with "there is not such a folder/file" or "invalid command" |
| 02:56.59 | qop | Ningirsu: dmesg must work |
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| 02:58.31 | delron | lsusb or dmesg |
| 02:58.58 | delron | some devices only have a subset of features tyhat only kind of work |
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| 02:59.51 | delron | immature drivers in Linux is very common |
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| 03:00.32 | qop | webcam drivers arent an issue anymore tho :) |
| 03:00.42 | qop | unless it is high end or pretty old |
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| 03:01.17 | delron | Ningirsu: also you are probably missing some package like a webcamtools type of pkg, hence invalid command |
| 03:01.21 | NekawA | i remember when wireless drivers were hard to come across without ndiswrap |
| 03:01.29 | Drakeson | is gnome3 available in debian sid? |
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| 03:01.36 | Ningirsu | qop: " uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device USB 2.0 PC Camera (18e3:9508) |
| 03:01.37 | Ningirsu | [ 9.514328] input: USB 2.0 PC Camera as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input7 |
| 03:01.37 | Ningirsu | " This is what I'm getting so I'm assuming that it's supported? |
| 03:02.06 | qop | Ningirsu:please do not paste so many lines, and your cam works |
| 03:02.20 | qop | Ningirsu: does your flash works? |
| 03:03.08 | qop | if so you are probably just missing v4l |
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| 03:03.51 | Ningirsu | delron: Oh no, the invalid command message I was getting was suite a basic command like cd/ home / username/ :D |
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| 03:05.08 | delron | Ningirsu: ehe ok, yeah v4l... just because lsusb/dmesg sees it does not mean the driver is 'fully supported' |
| 03:05.13 | Ningirsu | qop: :^( Won't do again on the channel window. That's the problem; my cam works fine but my flash, not really :( |
| 03:05.50 | delron | v4l i rmemmber that with my tv card fun times |
| 03:06.03 | qop | Ningirsu: you probably have gnash or something, if you have firefox type: about:plugins |
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| 03:06.45 | qop | it will tell what flash you have, youu willl probably need adobe's, google for the how to, or just google: get flash |
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| 03:08.24 | evildroid | !adobe flash |
| 03:08.24 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and upwards or lenny-backports. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
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| 03:08.42 | delron | i thought he ment the flash bulb, not adobe... lol |
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| 03:09.44 | Ningirsu | qop: Excuse my ignorance but what's v4l? :S Oh yeah, I don't need to check that out Trisquel uses gnash since they're pro free-software and all. I already wanted to download Adobe's Flash Player yet it doesn't come in .debi format which poses a problem :/ |
| 03:10.12 | evildroid | haha thats what i get for quickly skimming ,<kicks self> |
| 03:11.12 | Ningirsu | delron is right though. I'd meant my flash bulb :D So I assume that installing Adobe Flash won't really solve my problems? :) |
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| 03:12.20 | delron | well, you did say the /light/flash of your webcam, are you talking about the flash or adobe flash |
| 03:12.47 | delron | lol my chat client is so awesomelly laggy |
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| 03:13.48 | qop | Ningirsu: maybe you should install debian ;) |
| 03:15.17 | OldParr | after upgrading from fully updated lenny to squeeze the system do not starts , it reboots again and again and shows this screen wright before rebooting http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/pic0011mt.jpg/ |
| 03:16.37 | kbar | my laptop goes to sleep when I close the lid... I would like it to NOT go to sleep when I close the lid. how would i do so? |
| 03:17.04 | delron | Ningirsu: i would try qop's suggestion, eg try a debian live cd and test webcam in that |
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| 03:18.04 | OldParr | after upgrading from fully updated lenny to squeeze the system do not starts , it reboots again and again and shows this screen wright before rebooting http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/pic0011mt.jpg/ i booted from a rescue disk and performed a fsck -f over the linux partitions and it was not the solution. |
| 03:19.44 | delron | OldParr: ther problem is that /dev cannot be populated |
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| 03:20.37 | delron | OldParr: i am not sure if reconfiguring grub will help but i think it may.. |
| 03:20.40 | jelly-home | OldParr: as a start remove that /dev/.udev directory the boot process is complainining about if it exists |
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| 03:22.19 | jelly-home | !debug initramfs |
| 03:22.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 03:22.25 | delron | kbar: i have the exact same issue in Windows 7 hehe, i change in power options and still damn thing sleeps msi wind |
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| 03:24.38 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:27.51 | Ningirsu | delron: I'm talking about the flash bulb to be precise. I didn't encounter any problems with the substitute to Adobe Flash as far anyway :) |
| 03:28.53 | delron | OldParr: jelly-home is correct -- http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/08/03/howto-resolving-udev-warning-messages-debian/ |
| 03:30.10 | delron | Ningirsu: if you could try a debian (sid) live cd that would likely have the latest drivers and maybe you can test in that |
| 03:30.18 | Ningirsu | delron: I might consider that too but do you really think that changing my distribution can solve my problem? Isn't there some parameter to be changed simply to set the flash bulb on when the camera's in use? |
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| 03:32.50 | Ningirsu | delron: Alright, then I'm going back on Windows and preparing myself another Live CD. Btw, is it possible to remove completely my Trisquel distribution and install Debian instead? |
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| 03:34.27 | Accelerator | Would the mail.log file contain logs of messages sent via sendmail? |
| 03:34.33 | nvz | is there anything simpler than xmodmap, perhaps a GUI frontend to make a different keymap and perhaps some easy way to turn it on and off? |
| 03:34.45 | delron | Ningirsu: i do not think changing distros will solve problem, it may give more insight that's all. i havent used a webcam in a coon's age |
| 03:35.59 | Drakeson | nvz: does the change you need to make supported through kbd? If that is the case, your desktop environment probably has a graphical interface for it. |
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| 03:36.24 | Drakeson | e.g. gnome has a configuration interface for kbd options |
| 03:36.28 | nvz | Drakeson: well I'm playing this game thats new in debian called hedgewars but the keys are not configurable and are very bad |
| 03:36.45 | delron | Ningirsu: i am not familliar w/ trisquel ... the only issue i can forsee is bootloader, so to be sure prepare disk with gparted live cd (make one of those too then while you are at it ) :D |
| 03:36.58 | Drakeson | oh, I guess you have to stick with xmodmap then |
| 03:37.13 | nvz | I could sit here and figure it all out with xev and use xmodmap but thats a lot of work.. heh |
| 03:37.15 | Drakeson | unless you find a way to tweak the shortcuts in it |
| 03:37.25 | nvz | was just curious if there was a more handy tool for it. |
| 03:37.35 | boudiccas | nvz; if you've got 'bad keys', then i guess that you need to invest in a new keyboard |
| 03:38.02 | DummyMode | does anyone know if sid or wheezy has kernel 3.0? |
| 03:38.04 | nvz | boudiccas: the keybindings of the game are bad. not my keyboard.. the only key that doesnt work is the Fn key. heh |
| 03:38.34 | nvz | ,versions linux-image-3.0 |
| 03:38.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-3.0' was found in i386. |
| 03:38.41 | nvz | didn't think so |
| 03:38.54 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 03:38.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-1); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 03:39.13 | DummyMode | thank you so much! |
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| 03:39.20 | nvz | jelly++ |
| 03:39.24 | boudiccas | .versions kmymoney |
| 03:39.35 | boudiccas | ,versions kmymoney |
| 03:39.36 | judd | Package kmymoney on i386 -- squeeze: 3.98.1-2; sid: 4.5.3-2; wheezy: 4.5.3-2 |
| 03:39.38 | jelly-home | boudiccas: use /msg judd |
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| 03:39.58 | DummyMode | judd, where did you get that information? is that on the web? |
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| 03:40.17 | boudiccas | DummyMode; judd is a bot |
| 03:40.22 | jelly-home | !judd |
| 03:40.22 | dpkg | judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>. |
| 03:40.22 | DummyMode | doh! |
| 03:40.32 | nvz | well I guess I had better go figure out xmodmap.. blah. I'm used to sawfish just grabing keys ... never learned to do this.. |
| 03:41.06 | nvz | Its just gonna be annoying to change between the game keymap and normal I fear |
| 03:41.29 | delron | o wow 3 is out?? |
| 03:41.52 | nvz | delron: been under a rock for a month? heh |
| 03:42.02 | delron | hehe yes |
| 03:42.03 | boudiccas | delron; 3 what? |
| 03:42.15 | nvz | linux |
| 03:42.53 | nvz | I tried building it a couple weeks ago but it didn't boot |
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| 03:43.15 | OldParr | jelly-home: [root@localhost dev]# rm -rf .dev |
| 03:43.15 | OldParr | [root@localhost dev]# |
| 03:43.16 | nvz | I may have overlooked something, I haven't rolled a kernel in awhile |
| 03:43.20 | Drakeson | delron: they just got bored and renamed 2.6.40 to 3.0.0; nothing serius. |
| 03:43.27 | inflex | hiya folks, I'm on Debian 5/Lenny, my time however is set to UTC/GMT and I can't work out how to change it to GMT+10 :( |
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| 03:44.09 | DummyMode | then only remarkable things is the xen stuff .. nothing else., which is pretty good indeed |
| 03:44.14 | jelly-home | OldParr: as a wild guess, I'd also use update-initramfs to rebuild the initramfs image in case there's something irregular in it |
| 03:44.17 | nvz | inflex: tzconfig ? |
| 03:44.41 | delron | Drakeson: yeah really.. that seems a bit odd |
| 03:44.42 | inflex | tried that, it's set ... but the date/times in the logs are still UMT . |
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| 03:45.10 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 03:45.15 | DummyMode | I'm using zfs-fuse, but there is a native zfs implementation, anyone knows if there is a repo or should i download and compile the code? |
| 03:45.26 | inflex | nvz: oh well, I'll keep searching |
| 03:45.42 | nvz | inflex: I think you may be looking at old logs before you changed it.. heh |
| 03:46.01 | jelly-home | DummyMode: the native implementation is deemed to be undistributable in compiled form |
| 03:46.02 | nvz | its not like changing your timezone rewrites history |
| 03:46.11 | nvz | I dont have to make breakfast again evenytime someone does it |
| 03:46.22 | DummyMode | ok , thanks |
| 03:46.36 | OldParr | jelly-home: how do i update-initramfs from a fedora live cd rescue disk, is it possible? |
| 03:47.00 | jelly-home | OldParr: sure, just mount and chroot into the debian system |
| 03:47.32 | jelly-home | OldParr: if you have a separate /boot, make sure to mount that as well |
| 03:48.57 | inflex | nvz: found the fix... had to do the dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, then restart the various daemons |
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| 03:49.01 | inflex | (apache etc) |
| 03:49.28 | OldParr | jelly-home: boot is in /boot |
| 03:49.33 | delron | OldParr: i concur with jelly-home again here... you may have to chroot into new system to update the initramfs |
| 03:49.42 | nvz | inflex: ah |
| 03:50.04 | delron | can you fins a detailed walkthrough of kernel upgrade procedure? |
| 03:50.25 | nvz | inflex: my clock has been an hour off for well.. since whenever daylight savings changed.. I let it roll.. I know how to read my logs.. and it makes me think... |
| 03:50.43 | inflex | heh, fair enough |
| 03:50.54 | inflex | this machine was only just setup last week, so I figured I may as well get it sorted first :) |
| 03:51.03 | inflex | (thank goodness we don't have DLS here) |
| 03:51.16 | OldParr | localhost:/# update-initramfs |
| 03:51.16 | OldParr | You must specify at least one of -c, -u, or -d. |
| 03:51.20 | delron | ok you mentioned the chroot ... hmm that may be all you need to get up and running |
| 03:51.20 | delron | \ |
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| 03:51.48 | nvz | had an idea about changing all my clocks to random offsets as a lifestyle change.. if you happen to glance at a clock thats the wrong time you dont get all uptight about knowing what time it actually is. but if you really wanna know you can do the math ad figure out what time it is.. but nobody else can. heh |
| 03:51.56 | OldParr | update-initramfs is asking me for an option |
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| 03:52.40 | boudiccas | OldParr; tell it that you'll buy |
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| 03:52.57 | Rusty1 | nvz: xkeycaps ? |
| 03:54.07 | OldParr | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/127697/ |
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| 03:55.23 | jelly-home | OldParr: yeah, tell it which kernel, and tell it to either create a new initramfs or update an existing one |
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| 03:56.19 | holycow | nvz: or, you can just get rid of all clocks |
| 03:56.20 | OldParr | how do i know the name of the kernel _ |
| 03:56.21 | holycow | :) |
| 03:56.33 | inflex | nvz: wooops, no that didn't work through a reboot, but I found this fix... hwclock --localtime --hctosys |
| 03:56.39 | Drakeson | nvz: wow! the client is mostly written in pascal! |
| 03:56.48 | nvz | holycow: I like the binary clocks thinkgeek has but never sprung for one |
| 03:57.08 | Drakeson | hedgewars' client, that is |
| 03:57.11 | nvz | Drakeson: what client? |
| 03:57.13 | nvz | oh |
| 03:57.30 | nvz | yeah its a hybrid kinda deal... C, Pascal, Haskell, Lua |
| 03:57.57 | OldParr | how do i write the kernel name http://paste.debian.net/127698/ |
| 03:57.59 | nvz | had to overcome small hurdles to backport it to squeeze, the new version that is |
| 03:58.29 | nvz | I'm tempted to change the keys in the code, but I alredy deleted it all cause I'm low on space |
| 03:58.53 | nvz | just put the packages I made on a thumbdrive and deleted all the source |
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| 03:59.01 | antiwire | :o |
| 03:59.21 | Drakeson | if you are too hardcore, you can 'apt-get source hedgewars', modify the keybindings in hedgewars/uKeys.pas, and buildpackage a .deb for yourself. |
| 03:59.28 | N-I-L | hey antiwire, hows it going? |
| 03:59.59 | OldParr | if i list the contents of /boot , can i see the name of the kernel? |
| 04:00.14 | antiwire | N-I-L: !! |
| 04:00.16 | antiwire | yo |
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| 04:00.24 | borgore | moin. |
| 04:00.28 | nvz | Drakeson: thats what I'm saying.. but I already rolled a new hedgewars I backported from sid today and deleted all the source and put the packages on my thumbdrive.. cause I'm low on space |
| 04:00.34 | borgore | Shutdown hangs. Is there a way to force it? |
| 04:00.43 | delron | OldParr: if you chrooted, the -u switch will update to the kernel you are running |
| 04:00.49 | JasonWoof | OldParr: uname -a |
| 04:00.51 | nvz | I should've just changed the keys before I did that.. cause the keybindings suck in this game.. it feels unnatural |
| 04:01.10 | JasonWoof | OldParr: that'll tell you what kernel you're running |
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| 04:01.13 | delron | borgore: yes the power switch |
| 04:01.33 | delron | hheheh |
| 04:01.41 | borgore | well how do I make it unhang and just shut down. why is it hanging in the first place ? |
| 04:02.26 | latgarf | Hi guys! I use OpenBox and I want gnome-panel to start automatically upon login - how do I do that? Putting symbolic link to gnome-panel in rc2.d didn't work. Thanks! |
| 04:02.31 | Drakeson | nvz: btw, there is an interesting line in uGame.pas which says: {$INCLUDE "options.inc"}. Perhaps you can set the Binds in there. |
| 04:02.42 | boudiccas | borgore; define 'shuitdown hangs' please? |
| 04:02.56 | borgore | as in the computer doesn't turn off ? |
| 04:02.56 | nvz | Drakeson: I'm sure thats done at compile time though |
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| 04:03.02 | delron | byy hanging what is it doing? |
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| 04:03.21 | borgore | I'll write down what's on the console next time I shutdown. I'm not going to shut down now. |
| 04:03.39 | OldParr | JasonWoof: uname -a tells me something about fedora, what i want to rescue is debian, http://paste.debian.net/127699/ |
| 04:04.03 | boudiccas | borgore; error messages help a lot in working out whats gone wrong or is not working |
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| 04:04.41 | Drakeson | nvz: yeah, you're right. let me dig further, unless you are already sure there is no way around it. |
| 04:04.45 | borgore | There's alot of stuff on the screen. is there a shutdown log file? It's not like I can cut/paste it. |
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| 04:05.53 | nvz | Drakeson: well the only thing is, I JUST deleted the source now cause it came up and said I only had 100mb and I'm on the cell, cause there is no internet here |
| 04:06.29 | nvz | I should've deleted the damn /home/guest cause that user is disabled and there are movies backed up in there I found out with the usage analyzer |
| 04:06.40 | JasonWoof | OldParr: I think I joined this channel after you said what you're trying to accomplish. |
| 04:06.56 | nvz | but I cleared /var/cache/apt/archives and the builddir from today thinking chronologically.. heh |
| 04:07.04 | JasonWoof | OldParr: you're trying to boot a system that's not in the grub menu? |
| 04:07.13 | Drakeson | nvz: I am trying to determine if configuration without compilation is possible. |
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| 04:07.34 | nvz | Drakeson: it doesn't mention that on the wiki and the game seems pretty hardcoded |
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| 04:08.18 | nvz | Drakeson: the issue I have is, I played computer games from the 80s growing up.. I'm used to arrows as opposed to aswd like may games use now.. but when mouse is involved it feels more natural. |
| 04:08.29 | JasonWoof | Drakeson: what game (I joined half-way though the discussion) |
| 04:08.56 | nvz | I can't have my left hand on the right of the keyboard while usng the mouse.. it just doesnt feel right and you think space is a jump not a fire.. its just backwards.. heh |
| 04:09.09 | Drakeson | JasonWoof: he is not happy with the keybindings in hedgewars. |
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| 04:09.40 | sweetandy | So I've got a PPC mac mini I'm using as a headless server, basically for torrenting ISOs and ripping CDs and DVDs (my main computer's optical drive is shot). Basically just ssh+screen. Should I upgrade to wheezy just for kicks, or should that prove problematic for a headless server? |
| 04:09.54 | Drakeson | nvz: I haven't played it yet. is it like Worms? |
| 04:09.59 | nvz | I fully intend to change this and other things in the game at some point.. I just am not into familiarizing myself with the code at all yet. I just backported the latest from sid today and that it |
| 04:10.15 | JasonWoof | I do remember hedgewars having weird keys. don't remember if I managed to rebind them |
| 04:10.17 | nvz | Drakeson: yeah its like worms.. and its on Windows, Linux, MacOS, IOS, and Droid |
| 04:10.21 | alex7 | hi, I'm trying to upgrade a debian squeeze box to wheezy and I'm getting a weird error. I'm doing this on an ARM based machine |
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| 04:10.32 | alex7 | it has to do with the kernel version |
| 04:10.54 | nvz | alex7: pastebin.debian.net |
| 04:10.55 | yagoo | nvz, i like urt |
| 04:11.00 | yagoo | lol |
| 04:11.07 | nvz | wth is urt? |
| 04:11.11 | yagoo | urban terror |
| 04:11.21 | nvz | not familiar with that |
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| 04:11.35 | nvz | I just found hedgewars in the package manager a week or so ago... |
| 04:11.39 | yagoo | yeah i didn't know about it until someone spat it on one of the linux channels |
| 04:11.41 | alex7 | nvz the link doesn't work |
| 04:11.57 | nvz | alex7: paste.debian.net, sorry |
| 04:12.12 | nvz | alex7: need to see the error if possible, otherwise got no clue what you're talking about |
| 04:12.16 | alex7 | cool, that works |
| 04:12.20 | alex7 | I know |
| 04:12.38 | Drakeson | nvz: I briefly saw it featured in ubuntu's "software center". |
| 04:12.59 | delron | sweetandy: there is something to be said about a running box... cannot remember who said that |
| 04:13.04 | alex7 | nvz: http://paste.debian.net/127701/ |
| 04:13.55 | Blue1 | anyone good with nvidia video drivers on a 64 bit system? |
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| 04:14.24 | delron | something to be said *for |
| 04:14.30 | nvz | alex7: wait.. didn't you say you were upgrading to wheezy? |
| 04:14.38 | alex7 | yes |
| 04:14.42 | nvz | alex7: this says lenny |
| 04:14.48 | OldParr | JasonWoof: i am triying to boot after a lenny to squeeze upgrade, machine is reboots again and again after this sccreen http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/pic0011nx.jpg/ |
| 04:14.54 | alex7 | it's just an example |
| 04:15.05 | wols | Blue1: never ask "anyone" questions but your real question |
| 04:15.12 | alex7 | I think |
| 04:15.15 | delron | OldParr: did you chroot yet? |
| 04:15.24 | nvz | alex7: well what is the kernel version on the machine now? what does uname -r say? |
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| 04:15.24 | OldParr | delron: yes |
| 04:15.28 | alex7 | nvz I'm running squeeze now |
| 04:15.35 | alex7 | 2.6.22.18 |
| 04:15.39 | nvz | alex7: 2.6.32-5? |
| 04:16.01 | nvz | alex7: so you hand-rolled that? |
| 04:16.04 | OldParr | delron: i ran update-initramfs -u but it gives errors |
| 04:16.07 | wols | alex7: are yo inside a VPS? |
| 04:16.17 | wols | OldParr: what errors? |
| 04:16.26 | alex7 | nvz this is on an embedded proc, it's a distro from the manuf. |
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| 04:16.33 | yagoo | OldParr, maybe it's looking for initramfs .. |
| 04:16.39 | Blue1 | wols: I have an nvidia geforce 210 (running 64 bit squeeze) the dkms is installed, if I try to run the xorg.conf that nvidia generated it chokes. |
| 04:16.58 | wols | Blue1: which nvidia drive version? |
| 04:17.02 | wols | *driver |
| 04:17.05 | alex7 | nvz looking at the available linux-image packages, I have linux-image-2.6.32-5-kirkwood, linux-image-3.0.0-1-kirkwood |
| 04:17.06 | yagoo | OldParr, update-initramfs -u /boot/<kernelimagename> or maybe "kernelimagefilename" |
| 04:17.07 | Blue1 | wols: 195 |
| 04:17.10 | nvz | alex7: a bastardized debian I guess.. with a kernel older than lenny's |
| 04:17.18 | alex7 | apparently |
| 04:17.30 | nvz | kirkwood sounds familiar but I dont recall who uses that name |
| 04:17.42 | Blue1 | wols:ii nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 195.36.31+2+4+2.6.32-24 |
| 04:17.56 | delron | if uname -a give the version of live cd and not your chroot?? hmm |
| 04:18.03 | alex7 | nvz it's a Marvell processor |
| 04:18.03 | nvz | I guess thats the arm kernel in squeeze |
| 04:18.13 | OldParr | wols: these are the errors of update-initramfs -u ----> errors --> http://paste.debian.net/127702/ |
| 04:18.22 | Blue1 | delron: right because that's where you are booted - |
| 04:18.23 | nvz | alex7: which is what you should be running |
| 04:18.26 | wols | Blue1: your chip probably came out after squeeze and nvidia 195 came out. you will need to backport the nvidia drivers from wheezy or sid |
| 04:18.40 | nvz | alex7: if you install and boot into that, the upgrae should proceed |
| 04:18.47 | Blue1 | wols: it;s an old card |
| 04:19.00 | alex7 | nvz this is running chrooted |
| 04:19.06 | wols | OldParr: are you root and have you bind mounted /dev as I told you? |
| 04:19.06 | yagoo | pulls out old joker card |
| 04:19.10 | alex7 | it's an embedded device, no video out or cd |
| 04:19.16 | nvz | wols: you called that one |
| 04:19.21 | wols | Blue1: then what is the error? |
| 04:19.33 | OldParr | yagoo: bind mounting is too difficult i can not do it |
| 04:19.37 | Blue1 | wols: iow it worked with ubuntu on the 195 driver which I am trying to convert to (yes I did a fresh install) |
| 04:19.48 | yagoo | OldParr, ? |
| 04:19.53 | nvz | alex7: well if you can't boot the debian squeeze kernel, you cannot upgrade.. |
| 04:19.53 | alex7 | nvz: http://paste.debian.net/127703/ |
| 04:19.55 | Blue1 | wols: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 04:19.56 | OldParr | wols: bind mounting is too difficult i can not do it |
| 04:19.59 | yagoo | oh u trying chroot.. |
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| 04:20.09 | nvz | alex7: kexec comes to mind |
| 04:20.13 | yagoo | OldParr, basically it's 3 --binds for /dev /proc and /sys |
| 04:20.18 | nvz | heh.. not that it'll help here |
| 04:20.29 | OldParr | yagoo: sure ... |
| 04:20.40 | alex7 | nvz that's the error when I try to upgrade to the newer linux-image |
| 04:21.02 | wols | Blue1: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 04:21.11 | Blue1 | !pastebin |
| 04:21.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:21.13 | yagoo | OldParr, i had a similar problem u had a long while ago.. i think it was the initramfs update scripts not called fromt he kernel package or something |
| 04:21.39 | wols | OldParr: the factoid I gave you tols you exactly how to bind mount /dev |
| 04:22.05 | Blue1 | wols: http://paste.debian.net/127704/ |
| 04:22.24 | nvz | alex7: basically because your kernel is older than lenny's kernel, you are going to have to follow a lenny->squeeze kind upgrade proceedure, due to changes in all kinds of crap in debian 6 an beyond. |
| 04:22.34 | nvz | alex7: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 04:22.49 | alex7 | ok, thanks |
| 04:23.09 | nvz | alex7: i.e. you will need a newer kernel and to boot into it before you can do anything |
| 04:23.13 | yagoo | wols, there a wiki page on it? |
| 04:23.18 | OldParr | wols: i think i must understand what is a bind mount, and after that understand the syntax |
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| 04:23.42 | JasonWoof | OldParr: so you've booted off something else (usb, cd, etc) and now you're at the stage of creating a chroot environment... right? getting /dev and /proc, and whetever inside the chroot is easy, just have to paste a few mount commands |
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| 04:24.26 | alex7 | nvz: should I also look into compiling the kernel myself if that doesn't work? |
| 04:25.08 | wols | Blue1: check /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz if your chip/PCI ID is actually supported by tis driver. and make sure the "nvidia" module is loaded in your kernel |
| 04:25.33 | nvz | alex7: tat shouldnt be necessary... you just need to be running a newer kernel |
| 04:25.38 | OldParr | JasonWoof: i do not understand what do you refer with getting /dev and /proc but it sounds like yes |
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| 04:26.20 | JasonWoof | OldParr: before you execute the "chroot" command, you have to do a couple "mount" commands, so that when you're inside the chroot, you can still access /dev, /proc and /sys |
| 04:26.28 | Blue1 | wols: how do I check to see if it is loaded? |
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| 04:40.54 | Accelerator | apt-get autoremove won't remove packages required by other packages, right? I wouldn't think it would, but just so I'm 100% sure. |
| 04:41.26 | boudiccas | Accelerator; correct |
| 04:41.31 | Blue1 | wols: I can post the Xorg.0.log file, and xorg.conf |
| 04:41.56 | OldParr | wols: see this http://paste.debian.net/127706/ i am bind mounting like a professional |
| 04:42.04 | somiaj | Accelerator: correct, it just removes packages in which are installed and nothing you have installed depends on |
| 04:42.20 | somiaj | Accelerator: you can change the 'flag' on packages for that. |
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| 05:21.23 | SkilZ | How can I trigger a script to run when I press F3 or F4 |
| 05:22.12 | f00li5h | SkilZ: depends on your window manager |
| 05:22.21 | somiaj | SkilZ: usually the windowmanager/desktop enviorment can be used to set up a keybinding. |
| 05:22.34 | f00li5h | you may be able to manage something with readline trickery if you're not in GUI land |
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| 05:23.23 | somiaj | I recall some x-app that you could run in the bacckground that would grab keybindings...but usually better to just use the WM |
| 05:23.49 | SkilZ | Gnome, I have F3/F4 set for volume control, but I want to to run this script that plays a sound when the volume goes up/down, In Gnome, it will only let me use the keys once in Keyboard shortcuts :/ Is there some hack around this?\ |
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| 05:25.16 | somiaj | SkilZ: write a script that makes a sound then rasies the volume |
| 05:25.26 | somiaj | SkilZ: then bind the key to the script |
| 05:25.35 | f00li5h | ... or buy a mac |
| 05:25.43 | f00li5h | *trollface.jpg* |
| 05:30.01 | thogar | lol |
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| 05:30.47 | f00li5h | why is it that apt-get update doesn't autoamtically --fix-missing? |
| 05:33.17 | somiaj | f00li5h: its a configuration option, you can make it default with APT::Get::Fix-Missing |
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| 05:34.38 | f00li5h | I see. |
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| 06:05.01 | ap_PP | i installed xfce desktop on debian and i am still getting command mode only wat to do ? |
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| 06:10.46 | sweetandy | I was going to link ap_PP to http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce , but he disappeared |
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| 06:15.26 | delron | ap_PP, did you try 'startx'? |
| 06:15.27 | warpzero | guys i need to go lenny->squeeze |
| 06:15.36 | warpzero | but i only have a 4GB hdd |
| 06:15.40 | warpzero | WISH ME LUCK |
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| 06:17.08 | jason404 | 'users' says that I am logged in twice. |
| 06:17.23 | jason404 | I have no idea what this other connection is |
| 06:17.31 | jason404 | how can I find out more? |
| 06:17.50 | warpzero | the commands |
| 06:17.50 | warpzero | w |
| 06:17.51 | warpzero | and who |
| 06:18.12 | jason404 | warpzero: thanks |
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| 06:19.50 | jason404 | warpzero: is there any way I cannect to the mystery session? |
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| 06:21.22 | warpzero | what is it on |
| 06:21.36 | jason404 | 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:21.50 | warpzero | what does it say in the second column of who |
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| 06:22.03 | jason404 | pts/0 |
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| 06:22.22 | warpzero | does it have a (:0) at the end |
| 06:22.36 | jason404 | no |
| 06:22.38 | jason404 | jason pts/0 127.0.0.1 20:11 0.00s 0.00s 0.01s -bash |
| 06:23.04 | warpzero | thats w |
| 06:23.14 | warpzero | anyway |
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| 06:23.22 | warpzero | idk |
| 06:23.29 | jason404 | jason pts/1 host109-152-125- 07:06 0.00s 0.02s 0.00s w |
| 06:23.30 | jason404 | jason pts/0 127.0.0.1 20:11 0.00s 0.00s 0.01s -bash |
| 06:23.33 | warpzero | learn to use screen; avoid the problem forever |
| 06:23.40 | jason404 | I am using tmux |
| 06:23.53 | warpzero | well idk anything about that |
| 06:24.10 | jason404 | it's like a new modern version of screen |
| 06:24.17 | jason404 | I think it's a lot better myself |
| 06:24.27 | warpzero | that doesnt help me tell you how to connect to it |
| 06:24.31 | warpzero | i still havent used it |
| 06:25.13 | jason404 | okay, I'm going to killall. okay idea? |
| 06:25.17 | delron | lol |
| 06:25.20 | jason404 | killall -u |
| 06:26.08 | jmarsden | Just kill the one extra bash process, not all :) |
| 06:26.22 | jason404 | hmm. ok |
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| 06:29.19 | freeayu | hi, how to know how many clients which use ssh-key can connect the server without the password |
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| 06:35.18 | warpzero | freeayu, what |
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| 06:44.37 | Blue1 | !firefox |
| 06:44.37 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 06:45.03 | Blue1 | and tell me why iceweasel is NOT supported on some web sites |
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| 06:46.05 | warpzero | Blue1, get user agent switcher |
| 06:46.10 | warpzero | find a user agent that works |
| 06:46.11 | warpzero | voila |
| 06:46.26 | Blue1 | warpzero: ahh I could do that... |
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| 06:50.09 | warpzero | i had to do this to fill out my FAFSA... |
| 06:50.16 | warpzero | DAMN YOU UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT |
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| 06:51.51 | SkilZ | somiaj, I already wrote the script but how do I bind the keys F3 and F4 to the script? |
| 06:51.55 | Blue1 | warpzero: i think my problem with the 64 bit is that I have 32 bit crap -- because the error I get seems to indicate that - now I just have to figure out why my nvidia card doesn't work - tomorrow |
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| 06:58.38 | warpzero | is there some way to disable apt's package cache |
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| 06:58.58 | f00li5h | seems like a bad idea |
| 06:59.11 | warpzero | i dont think i have enough space for the packages and their unpacked installs at the same time |
| 06:59.33 | f00li5h | how much space do you have? |
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| 07:00.04 | warpzero | / is 3.4GB, 1.8 used 1.5 free |
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| 07:00.23 | f00li5h | i believe you can tell it to purge the cache |
| 07:01.00 | warpzero | that is with the cache purged! |
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| 07:01.19 | f00li5h | so what's the problem? |
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| 07:01.23 | f00li5h | you have 1.5 Gb free |
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| 07:03.40 | warpzero | ok the release notes / upgrade guide have helpful hints! |
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| 07:06.01 | niman | hi i try make a customize debian live and i try to make a automaticaly login and run special aplication without runnig gdm and gnome but i dont know where i can do this can anybody help me ? |
| 07:06.41 | f00li5h | niman: i'd be tempted to put it in /etc/inittab ... with an su - yourappuser |
| 07:06.58 | f00li5h | that'll have it re-spawn, and things, but i don't know if that'll work for X11 |
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| 07:10.24 | niman | f00li5h: hmm i have no inittab in /etc/inittab i use ubuntu |
| 07:11.14 | warpzero | :o |
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| 07:14.48 | jason404 | I have a daemon running which was started on startup with a init.d script |
| 07:14.59 | jason404 | the command which started it is very long |
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| 07:15.20 | jason404 | so I cannot see the while thing in htop, when I scroll to the right |
| 07:15.45 | jason404 | how can I review the whole command line which started the process, to make sure that everything is correct? |
| 07:17.47 | warpzero | ps |
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| 07:18.07 | warpzero | or you can look at some file in /proc/####/ |
| 07:18.10 | warpzero | where #### is the pid |
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| 07:19.47 | jason404 | warpzero: thanks |
| 07:22.23 | f00li5h | niman: pardon? |
| 07:22.47 | niman | f00li5h: what ? :D |
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| 07:23.09 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 07:23.14 | f00li5h | niman: why would you a. not have an inittab b. ask about ubuntu on #debian? |
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| 07:23.58 | mah454 | I have a big problem with compile xen tools : http://pastebin.com/Hr4Jr36q |
| 07:24.02 | mah454 | How can i fix this ? |
| 07:24.05 | niman | f00li5h: ok i found it on my debian because i must use ubuntu and debian for my job ;) |
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| 07:25.44 | marti | hi, is there a command to kill/term process under Linux without "sudo" but not via htop? |
| 07:26.04 | warpzero | only if you own the process |
| 07:26.09 | marti | conky:) |
| 07:26.12 | delron | hiya!! |
| 07:26.26 | marti | can You give it to me? |
| 07:26.33 | warpzero | you can use killall, pkill, or kill to kill processes |
| 07:26.43 | warpzero | but you cant kill another user's proceses unless you're root |
| 07:26.54 | marti | I used "sudo killall conky" |
| 07:27.04 | marti | I am only one user of this computer |
| 07:27.08 | warpzero | idk what conky is |
| 07:27.11 | marti | root |
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| 07:27.15 | marti | + rooy |
| 07:27.18 | marti | root |
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| 07:28.34 | marti | I wanted to have a launcher on palen of my gnome to kill conky without conky and run conky again with dirrent congiguration |
| 07:29.12 | nsadmin | marti, you cannot kill processes that don't belong to your user unless you're root |
| 07:29.17 | marti | pkill it works, thats |
| 07:29.23 | marti | thx |
| 07:29.25 | warpzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.26 | warpzero | wtf lvm |
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| 07:31.59 | delron | hmm marti, kill <pid> -9 |
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| 07:32.29 | delron | that wont restart it then just run conkey |
| 07:33.09 | warpzero | wtf is conkey |
| 07:33.22 | delron | it is like krell |
| 07:33.28 | Jarvis | warpzero: http://sralab.com/2005/12/06/lvm-incorrect-metadata-area-header-checksum/ i found that |
| 07:33.30 | warpzero | wtf is krell |
| 07:33.51 | delron | it like a gadget for monitoring stuff |
| 07:33.52 | warpzero | Jarvis, i was jsut going to vgck it after i backed it up but O.K. |
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| 07:34.35 | delron | idk i found conkey to be underwhelming in the performance |
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| 07:37.00 | warpzero | Jarvis, thanks totally worked |
| 07:37.36 | nsadmin | warpzero, google-fu weak today? time to exercise it! |
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| 07:37.53 | warpzero | i wasnt even going to google |
| 07:37.57 | warpzero | lol |
| 07:38.16 | nsadmin | noticed. |
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| 07:43.52 | cyrusae | hi there. how can i get apt to install only the dependencies, but not the package itself? (and i dont mean build-devel, that pulls in a hell of stuff i dont need nor is required by any of the packages) |
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| 07:48.08 | marti | My girlfriend has Ubuntu on her sempron 3000, and I got the same configuration on my Intel Celeron 2.66Ghz, my cpu used about 10% and her cpu is user in max 2% :P |
| 07:48.12 | marti | why?:P |
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| 07:51.06 | pieter_ | I have a disk where the MBR is somewhere at an unknown offset. What is the best way to search for it (I've already used hexdump and searched for 55aa(MBR signature), but there are a couple of entries and its not doable by hand) |
| 07:51.34 | delron | is your GF downloading pron? |
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| 07:55.16 | jelly-home | pieter_: hm. gpart hunts for partition signatures, but not the mbr itself |
| 07:55.40 | treebeen | hmm: foomatic-db-engine: Breaks: cups (< 1.5.0-3~) but 1.4.8-2 is installed. |
| 07:55.40 | treebeen | foo2zjs: Breaks: cups (< 1.5.0-3~) but 1.4.8-2 is installed. |
| 07:55.56 | treebeen | ^ newest update from testing |
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| 07:56.15 | pieter_ | jelly-home, is that a libparted thing? or do i need a GUI on my rescue disk? |
| 07:56.40 | somiaj | treebeen: #debian-next on irc.debian.org is a better place for testing questions -- but I'd check the bts |
| 07:57.14 | jelly-home | pieter_: neither |
| 07:57.40 | jelly-home | treebeen: so wait for that cups to fall into testing |
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| 07:57.49 | jelly-home | ,versions cups |
| 07:57.50 | judd | Package cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; lenny-proposed-updates: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; squeeze: 1.4.4-7; wheezy: 1.4.8-2; sid: 1.5.0-5 |
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| 07:58.56 | Alvo | moin ich hab ein eigenes debian aufgesetzt, aber wenn ich mich per putty einloge und die pos1 oder ende-taste drücke dann erscheint nur eine tilde ~ wie kann ich das fixen? |
| 08:00.30 | jelly-home | !de |
| 08:00.30 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 08:00.40 | Alvo | ooops |
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| 08:02.37 | cyrusae | hey Alvo you got pm |
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| 08:05.33 | Zap-W | how to find out the size of a fs without mounting the block device |
| 08:06.30 | somiaj | Zap-W: What kind of block device? There is info about the size of the device or the size of the partition (note the filesystem will be smaller because of the fs overhead) |
| 08:07.09 | Zap-W | I want the fs size somiaj |
| 08:07.16 | treebeen | Zap-W: good question, i'd like to know too :) |
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| 08:08.15 | treebeen | jelly-home: is this normal that packages go to testing where dependencies are not satisfied? |
| 08:08.44 | jelly-home | treebeen: it happens sometimes, yes |
| 08:09.02 | jelly-home | usually as a part of a larger migration |
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| 08:11.03 | treebeen | hmm, ok, I'll just wait :) |
| 08:11.05 | somiaj | hmm, there is a --fake option for mount, wonder if that and the -v option will give filesystem size Zap-W |
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| 08:12.22 | jelly-home | treebeen: see also /msg dpkg why is cups not in testing |
| 08:13.34 | Zap-W | treebeen: I know there is dumpe2fs but it displays blocks and free blocks count number, need to manually calculate the numbers of bytes |
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| 08:23.13 | NekawA | any pdf viewer recommendations |
| 08:23.23 | somiaj | besides xpdf? |
| 08:23.39 | jelly-home | Zap-W: so multiply block count values with "Block size:" value |
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| 08:24.05 | NekawA | i'll try that i'm on bare install with xfce from livecd i'm used to expert install on a server not used to a desktop |
| 08:24.07 | warpzero | okular forever |
| 08:24.21 | warpzero | but only if you have kde isntalled |
| 08:24.45 | NekawA | it came with gimp but its grinding away importing the layers.. |
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| 08:25.14 | th0r | NekawA: not foss, but an outfit called Foxit makes a free viewer that performs better than most |
| 08:25.24 | NekawA | ohyah? |
| 08:25.34 | NekawA | i just put the xpdf its that no good i'll try that |
| 08:25.50 | NekawA | i'm all about low cpu usage i'm so happy vdpau is using like zero cpu on my htpc |
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| 08:26.23 | jelly-home | NekawA: I think vdpau eats more power than my cpu when decoding videos |
| 08:27.02 | NekawA | supposedly it uses the gpu? this machine has an ion2 |
| 08:27.35 | NekawA | i didn't look into the specifics because vdpau worked but vlc and smplayer with all diff. kinds of options xv, gl gl2 etc. all did not work, choppy at best |
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| 08:29.06 | NekawA | one thing that is really bugging me, is that the flashplayer doesn't like going fullscreen |
| 08:29.49 | somiaj | for youtube or other sites? |
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| 08:30.46 | somiaj | the youtube video player always sucked compared to many others -- full screen still is choppy for me on a quad core pheonom |
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| 08:31.24 | NekawA | hehe |
| 08:31.31 | NekawA | note to all youtube.com/html5 has trial signups |
| 08:31.58 | NekawA | so for youtube i'm good with html5 in chrome..but all other sites using flash its chop |
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| 08:32.56 | NekawA | hmm xpdf is nice and quick..but its missing the option to put two pages on one screen, or i can't find it |
| 08:33.01 | delron | zathura, ePDFView, llpp i cannot remember which one i used for PDF |
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| 08:39.41 | warpzero | apt-cacher-ng, you're my oooonly friend |
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| 08:43.47 | niman | i need to know how can make debian live with auto login without GUI and run special application like a remmina (just remmina or any single official program ) for employee limit privilage |
| 08:44.49 | greg_lbn | hello all |
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| 08:57.55 | niman | i need to know how can make debian live with auto login without GUI and run special application like a remmina (just remmina or any single official program ) for employee limit privilage |
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| 08:58.09 | CoolCold | hi guys |
| 08:58.30 | JamezQ | CoolCold: Hello firend. |
| 08:58.34 | JamezQ | friend* |
| 08:59.01 | CoolCold | i'm wondering, is apache population environment variables in it's config or some magic like exim's autogenerated config happends? |
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| 08:59.29 | CoolCold | i.e. i see there is ${APACHE_LOG_DIR} in config, but where the hell it is expanded to value? |
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| 09:22.06 | mah454 | please view this : http://pastebin.com/sr8dZ6bY . I can not fix this ... ! |
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| 09:25.13 | NekawA | hmm i don't think my wireless is working |
| 09:25.25 | NekawA | how is it possible that wlan0 shows up in iwconfig but is not actually working |
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| 09:26.25 | JamezQ | what does "not working' mean |
| 09:27.50 | NekawA | no ssid's on scan |
| 09:28.07 | NekawA | ahhhhh |
| 09:28.20 | NekawA | i got it..hahah answered me own question.. firmware-ralink |
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| 09:28.48 | JamezQ | lol |
| 09:28.52 | JamezQ | nice |
| 09:29.14 | NekawA | i can't believe its gotten so easy with wireless drivers on debian now |
| 09:29.28 | NekawA | 6-7yrs ago i was using ndiswrapper and tons of stuff didn't work |
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| 09:29.40 | JamezQ | yup. |
| 09:29.44 | JamezQ | Pretty great |
| 09:29.50 | NekawA | then after that there was this painful process of extracting the code out of windows drivers |
| 09:29.53 | NekawA | and recompiling it |
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| 09:29.58 | NekawA | that was joy |
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| 09:40.09 | mah454 | please view this : http://pastebin.com/sr8dZ6bY . I can not fix this ... ! |
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| 09:41.56 | JPT | mah454: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbz2 <-- maybe you should find out what that does or is |
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| 09:43.16 | JPT | mhh... :| |
| 09:43.20 | mah454 | JPT view again ... |
| 09:44.01 | JPT | the only thing i can find via google is something about bzip2 support :/ |
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| 09:44.17 | JPT | ah, wait :D |
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| 09:45.44 | JPT | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601039 <-- maybe this one matches :/ |
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| 10:04.32 | g00se | What's the best way to find out which kernel added support for driver 'x' (in this case AR5523 afaik)? |
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| 10:08.13 | niklaswe | how can i get like ubuntu has with Free memory cpu avg and stuff when i login.? |
| 10:08.43 | epsilon | edit bashrc |
| 10:08.55 | epsilon | free, uptime |
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| 10:45.53 | vargadanis | hello everyone! Is it possible to add rw permissions to a user for a directory if that directory isn't owned by that user? |
| 10:46.35 | gomiam | vargadanis: I would think not |
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| 10:46.58 | ayambit | vargadanis: groupadd grouptoowndir ; chown dir grouptoowndir; usermod -G grouptoowndir myuser |
| 10:47.16 | ayambit | I'm not sure about this exact commands, but something like this will do |
| 10:47.35 | gomiam | ayambit: oh, I didn't think vargadanis would have root access |
| 10:47.44 | vargadanis | gomiam: thanks for the command... |
| 10:47.50 | vargadanis | I do have root access |
| 10:47.57 | gomiam | vargadanis: not me, thank ayambit |
| 10:47.59 | vargadanis | but the user don't |
| 10:48.25 | babilen | recommends addgroup and adduser in lieu of groupadd and usermod |
| 10:48.37 | gomiam | vargadanis: what ayambit suggests is creating a group that has rw access to that directory and adding the user in question to said group |
| 10:49.00 | babilen | You could also use ACLs and grant permissions to the user directly |
| 10:49.19 | vargadanis | hm... Linux administration at it's best :) |
| 10:49.23 | vargadanis | is noob :S |
| 10:49.37 | berarma | you could just assign the user group to the dir and change group permissions |
| 10:50.02 | gomiam | babilen: that's what I was thinking about too, but I don't remember what's the state of ACLs in Debian :) |
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| 10:50.07 | babilen | vargadanis: Ok, the first solution (create a group, give permissions to the group and add all applicable users to the group) should be understandable or do you have problems with that? |
| 10:50.20 | ayambit | I don't like acls because it's easy to mess the stuff in my head. Unneeded complexity for my poor brains. |
| 10:50.47 | vargadanis | maybe my entire approach is faulty... Here is what I'd like to do: I have a home server to play around and have apache2+proftpd w/ mysql auth installed on it. apache has www-data:www-data as user and group and proftpd has ftpgroup:ftpuser |
| 10:51.22 | vargadanis | if I create a dir with www-data ownership FTP user can't write or even read from it |
| 10:51.25 | babilen | vargadanis: ACLs (access control lists) provide a mechanism for more fine-grained access control that allows you to grant/deny permissions for specific users. See "/msg dpkg acl" for links to further documentation. |
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| 10:51.41 | vargadanis | if I change it's permission to ftpgroup:ftpuser apache can't serve the website |
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| 10:52.03 | vargadanis | for this problem do I need ACLs? |
| 10:53.59 | berarma | vargadanis: I do it by setting owner <user>:www-data and permission rwxrws--- to the www directory |
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| 10:54.13 | berarma | vargadanis: it's an acceptable solution for me |
| 10:54.31 | babilen | vargadanis: Hmm, one way would be to set SGID on the WWW directory (so the onwer/group are set correctly for new ones) and use ACL to grant permissions to specific users or groups. |
| 10:54.58 | vargadanis | berarma: I'll try your approach for this specific instance |
| 10:55.12 | ayambit | actually as i recall www-data shoud NOT be writable for um, obvious reasons |
| 10:55.13 | vargadanis | babilen: I'll definitely look into ACLs at least to learn how to operate them |
| 10:55.32 | babilen | vargadanis: The "s" in berarma's example is SGID ... But I wouldn't necessarily change the owner as you'll run into problems as soon as more users enter the equation. |
| 10:55.57 | vargadanis | what if I add ftpuser to the www-data group? |
| 10:56.29 | berarma | I do it on my development machines, not production servers |
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| 10:57.13 | ayambit | Will anyone correct me my point that www-data should be read only?.. |
| 10:58.20 | babilen | vargadanis: I wouldn't necessarily do that as you escalate FTP security problems to apache as well. Why don't you grant restricted ssh/sftp access to users and give them permissions to write to /var/www/FOO/BAR/BAZ ? |
| 10:59.17 | vargadanis | needs to learn a lot :S |
| 10:59.19 | berarma | vargadanis: you can simply make a link /var/www/user -> /home/user/www |
| 10:59.46 | vargadanis | well thanks for the suggestions... |
| 10:59.49 | berarma | !tell vargadanis about ftp must die |
| 10:59.57 | gomiam | vargadanis: we all do. That's the funof it |
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| 11:00.02 | vargadanis | I think i'll read upon ACLs and whatnot |
| 11:00.16 | xingu | I'd give both httpd and ftpd their own scratch area which was writable and not readable, and design a cleansing/blessing process that despooled data from either scratch dir, checked the content, then moved it into the other's read-only root |
| 11:00.22 | Zap-W | I've installed xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-amd64 package restarted but for some reason xend service does not start ! |
| 11:00.28 | Zap-W | I have xen kernel running |
| 11:00.59 | xingu | but I've been around long enough to see what happens when you're not that cautious. |
| 11:01.06 | babilen | vargadanis: Ok, the point about my remark is that "/msg dpkg ftp must die" and my suggestion is to give users restricted SSH/SFTP access with "/msg dpkg scponly" or "/msg dpkg rssh" |
| 11:01.33 | vargadanis | noted |
| 11:01.34 | babilen | also likes xingu's solution a lot |
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| 11:02.47 | xingu | I _might_ even go so far as to serve the readable content and write-only spools from different vm instances, and do the content blessing/ data exchange from a third. |
| 11:02.48 | babilen | vargadanis: xingu's idea also combines nicely with the restricted access scheme |
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| 11:04.29 | vargadanis | hm... IRC log will give me a lot to look up :) |
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| 11:07.25 | gomiam | xingu: now that's hardcore pro... and a very nice option if it works correctly ;) |
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| 11:11.17 | vargadanis | I suppose security is above all for production servers |
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| 11:28.41 | nevyn | 21:00 < Zap-W> I have xen kernel running |
| 11:28.45 | nevyn | oops |
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| 11:29.41 | g00se | If firmware (zd1211-firmware) is available in stable, does that imply the driver(s) to which it pertains are present in the stable kernel? |
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| 11:33.36 | gomiam | g00se: I would suppose so. I actually think I have been able to use it. |
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| 11:34.31 | g00se | gomiam: Thanks. Actually i just successfully modprobed zd1211rw so the answer is yes |
| 11:34.58 | gomiam | great |
| 11:35.30 | gomiam | g00se: actually, now I think of it I used a zd1211rw several times to "check" wifi password security on WEP networks ;) |
| 11:35.32 | g00se | What device were you using as a matter of interest? |
| 11:35.54 | gomiam | currently I'm normally using an USB RTL8187L |
| 11:36.06 | gomiam | which is also supported |
| 11:36.14 | gomiam | works great with Backtrack :P |
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| 11:37.34 | g00se | OK. I'm hoping to use it with someone else's TP-Link TL-WN620G and i'm hoping it's ok |
| 11:38.03 | gomiam | g00se: check aircrack's web page |
| 11:38.16 | gomiam | g00se: if they have support for it, the kernel usually does too |
| 11:38.56 | g00se | Thanks for the tip |
| 11:39.06 | gomiam | you are welcome |
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| 11:48.22 | GreenDance | Hi |
| 11:48.39 | GreenDance | Is it possible to customise the debian installer? |
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| 11:50.09 | kkkkkk | guys i tried to active uinput with sudo modprobe uinput but it doesn't appear with lsmod.. why? |
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| 11:52.08 | mastroDani | I'm trying to write a little suid script.... it just do a chown + chmod of an hardcoded directory in the filesystem... owner is root and permission 4755 but when executing it with another user I get permission denied... am I doing something wrong? |
| 11:52.27 | berarma | kkkkkk: I don't know about uinput but you can know what happened to the modprobe by looking at /var/log/dmesg |
| 11:52.39 | mjt | heh |
| 11:52.47 | jk | mastroDani: suid doesn't work for scripts, since the executable is the shell which runs it, not the script itself |
| 11:52.55 | mjt | berarma: /var/log/dmesg only lists stuff happened during bootup |
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| 11:53.15 | mastroDani | jk, oh... of course I should have though about it...... :/ |
| 11:53.18 | mjt | berarma: what happened later can be shown by `dmesg' command |
| 11:53.35 | jk | mastroDani: many people forget about that little detail ;-) |
| 11:53.57 | Mogget | Question: I have installed Squeeze on all my machines, some of them have SSDs and i am using HDPARMs wiper.sh script to trim the harddrives once a day. Is there a way i can use backports kernel and get firmware that exist in the Squeeze kernels? |
| 11:54.18 | Mogget | i tried backporting to a new kernel, but it is missing severel fw modules that i need. |
| 11:54.33 | berarma | mjt: sorry, yes, that's it |
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| 11:56.51 | mastroDani | jk, and anyway that's not a good idea since user can run things like my-suid-script -i :P |
| 11:57.26 | mastroDani | jk, by any chance do you know which package contain the indir command? |
| 11:57.28 | kkkkkk | i tried cat /var/log/dmesg | grep uinput and there's nothing.. |
| 11:58.10 | berarma | kkkkkk: sorry, use dmesg command |
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| 11:58.23 | kkkkkk | the same :\ |
| 11:59.25 | berarma | mjt: what's the point where bootup and logging to that file ends? |
| 12:00.14 | berarma | kkkkkk: does modprobe return nothing? |
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| 12:03.15 | kkkkkk | nothing... |
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| 12:05.10 | mjt | berarma: dmesg command reads from in-kernel message buffer which has fixed size, so on overflow old entries will be overwritten and only recent entries will be shown. /var/log/dmesg is output from dmesg command at the end of boot process. |
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| 12:05.49 | TuxFighter | Hi, why is using debian a 644 for /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 12:06.00 | mjt | what should it be? |
| 12:06.04 | berarma | mjt: thanks, I didn't have that info |
| 12:06.04 | TuxFighter | 600 |
| 12:06.12 | mjt | TuxFighter: why? |
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| 12:06.27 | TuxFighter | the md5-password |
| 12:06.30 | TuxFighter | for example |
| 12:06.44 | mjt | if you use passwords there you may chmod it too |
| 12:06.50 | mjt | by default there's no password configured |
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| 12:09.07 | kleind | Hi. I'm trying to "hold" a package during safe-upgrade. Unfortunately, aptitude hold $pkg does not put it to hold. dpkg -l still says "ii". How can I fix this? |
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| 12:11.12 | jelly | !tell kleind -about hold |
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| 12:11.54 | micw | hi |
| 12:12.13 | jelly | kleind: aptitude's hold action isn't visible via dpkg, but aptitude still obeys it |
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| 12:12.36 | micw | for a virtual machine (debian 6) i need to set up a static route before the default gw is reachable. how needs the "interfaces" file has to be for this? |
| 12:13.27 | kleind | jelly: i'm trying aptitude hold $pkg; aptitude safe-upgrade; and it still wants to upgrade $pkg |
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| 12:14.41 | jelly | kleind: oh, in that case I have no idea why it wants to do that |
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| 12:15.06 | kleind | jelly: yeah, me neither :/ lenny 508 btw |
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| 12:15.18 | mjt | micw: basically you can't set route to an unroutable address |
| 12:15.32 | thogar | how do you set the hour format via terminal? |
| 12:15.40 | mjt | hour format? |
| 12:15.44 | thogar | 24/12 |
| 12:15.53 | mjt | ok, hour format of what? |
| 12:15.59 | thogar | ... time? lol |
| 12:16.14 | thogar | clock, i mean |
| 12:16.18 | mjt | which clock? |
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| 12:16.30 | micw | mjt, on other systems it works. i simply set a host route to the device which is used as default gw |
| 12:16.35 | mjt | in-kernel clock does not know anything about formats. |
| 12:16.43 | mjt | there are several applications which may show that clock to you |
| 12:16.56 | thogar | so the one in the corner cant change it? |
| 12:17.04 | mjt | and for each such application (one being a gnome/kde applet in the taskbar) the setup is different |
| 12:17.14 | jelly | thogar: which application shows the "one in the corner"/ |
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| 12:17.15 | jelly | ? |
| 12:17.27 | Trewas | thogar: you probably want to change to correct locale, then all apps show correct time format |
| 12:17.34 | thogar | the taskbar lol |
| 12:17.35 | mjt | micw: so that's not whole story |
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| 12:17.50 | thogar | iono what it is |
| 12:18.04 | thogar | lol "digital clock" |
| 12:18.10 | mjt | micw: and you can use exactly the same way in network/interfaces too - either using `ip route' or `route' commands |
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| 12:18.44 | mjt | micw: but since it is specific for some interface anyway, just do it the right way :) |
| 12:18.49 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 12:19.08 | Innocentus | It's me again, the PHP5.3-on-a-Lenny - guy :) |
| 12:19.24 | Innocentus | Any news about PHP5.3 for Lenny? :) |
| 12:19.49 | mjt | how much time is left for lenny end-of-line? |
| 12:19.52 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How can I retty a PID on amd64? 'retty' seems not to be available for any arch but i386... |
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| 12:20.17 | mjt | (or life for that matter) |
| 12:20.38 | PerfDave | mjt: Lenny will stop getting security updates in February 2012 |
| 12:20.39 | micw | mjt, thx. it works with post-up/pre-down |
| 12:21.21 | mjt | PerfDave: it was a question for Innocentus basically, but thanks :) |
| 12:21.52 | Innocentus | oh |
| 12:21.56 | Innocentus | alright |
| 12:22.05 | Innocentus | but I need it PHP5.3 _now_ :( |
| 12:22.15 | mjt | so install squeeze _now_ :) |
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| 12:22.27 | mjt | instead of waiting till wheezy will be out ;) |
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| 12:23.14 | epsilon | or get some backport, or compile php from scratch |
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| 12:24.44 | Innocentus | is compiling PHP5.3 better than using a backport? |
| 12:24.53 | jelly | or pay someone do to the backport |
| 12:24.58 | Innocentus | oh |
| 12:25.02 | Innocentus | I love opensource :) |
| 12:25.42 | jelly | Innocentus: it's the same thing, backport just means following debian packaging policy and compiling and building a package |
| 12:26.13 | jelly | well, not same -- backporting is a superset of compiling a newer source |
| 12:26.14 | mjt | seriously, there were lots of efforts spent to ensure upgrade (from lenny to squeeze in this case) actually works |
| 12:26.30 | jelly | mjt: and it's still not foolproof |
| 12:26.45 | mjt | yes it is not 100%, sure |
| 12:26.51 | Innocentus | how can I check if the vserver is squeeze-ready? |
| 12:26.56 | Innocentus | is there a apt-upgrade-check command? |
| 12:27.13 | jelly | Innocentus: clone your system, upgrade the copy, see if stuff breaks |
| 12:27.14 | Innocentus | because using apt-get dist-upgrade won't do anyhting :/ |
| 12:27.25 | mjt | how so? |
| 12:27.28 | epsilon | did you change your sources? |
| 12:27.29 | Innocentus | jelly: the vserver doesn't belong to me, I can only use the shell |
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| 12:27.47 | Innocentus | wait, wait. when I change the source, will apt check the sys requirements? |
| 12:27.51 | jelly | Innocentus: contact the owner, then |
| 12:27.52 | epsilon | rent another vserver, copy everything, upgrade |
| 12:28.02 | Innocentus | hm |
| 12:28.26 | Innocentus | and is a dist-upgrade the same as a whole system-reinstall with squeeze`? |
| 12:28.35 | jelly | it's not. |
| 12:28.40 | mjt | definitely not the same |
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| 12:28.47 | PerfDave | It's better :) |
| 12:28.51 | Innocentus | or other asked: is it the same as upgrading windows xp to windows 7 (what would be horrible) |
| 12:28.54 | mjt | there's no sys requiriments checking too |
| 12:29.04 | epsilon | dist-upgrade is just replace software with newer one in one suite |
| 12:29.09 | PerfDave | Innocentus: Can you actually upgrade WinXP to win7? |
| 12:29.15 | Innocentus | I heard from it |
| 12:29.19 | Innocentus | it is awful |
| 12:29.28 | Innocentus | it is very slow afterwards |
| 12:29.41 | Innocentus | the same for a lenny -> squeeze dist-upgrade? |
| 12:29.43 | PerfDave | I've dist-upgraded loads of systems from lenny to squeeze |
| 12:29.45 | jelly | Innocentus: IME it's couple hours to fix the configuration, or a couple days for some things that are completely changed |
| 12:29.52 | epsilon | there's a youtube video from ppl who actually upgraded Win 1.0 > Win7 |
| 12:29.58 | epsilon | through all windows in between |
| 12:30.05 | Innocentus | and how slow was it then? |
| 12:30.05 | jelly | slapd config *spit* |
| 12:30.06 | Rienzilla | yes :) |
| 12:30.10 | PerfDave | Only thing I had problems with is the bootloader, which won't be a problem for you on a VM |
| 12:30.37 | Innocentus | it is a xen-vm, I have no access on the physical machine but only on the vhost which runs on top of the vm |
| 12:30.56 | PerfDave | Innocentus: Does the VM have its own kernel or use the host's? |
| 12:31.05 | mjt | hosts |
| 12:31.08 | Innocentus | PerfDave: how can I find that out? |
| 12:31.14 | epsilon | uname -a |
| 12:31.18 | PerfDave | Either way, it's probably using pygrub, so you won't have any grub problems. |
| 12:31.20 | Innocentus | ah right, the old problem - the kernel is incompatible to squeeze |
| 12:31.23 | mjt | it it's vserver it's one host kernel for one |
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| 12:31.32 | Innocentus | 2.6.20-xen-r6 |
| 12:31.35 | Innocentus | ourgh |
| 12:31.44 | mjt | so it's not vserver |
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| 12:31.50 | Innocentus | no? |
| 12:32.04 | mjt | by vserver i mean http://linux-vserver.org/ |
| 12:32.09 | Innocentus | ah, sorry |
| 12:32.17 | Innocentus | VServer is the product name of webhoster |
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| 12:32.33 | Innocentus | is 2.6.20 kernel compatible to squeeze? |
| 12:32.33 | mjt | which is by its own a complete virtualization solution, similar to virtuozzo/openvz |
| 12:32.46 | epsilon | how much does the same xen-domain cost at your ISP? |
| 12:33.10 | PerfDave | Innocentus: What does the Squeeze installation manual / release notes say? |
| 12:33.10 | mjt | your system uses whatever kernel you installed |
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| 12:33.30 | epsilon | and seriously, if you ISP does not support stable debian, choose new ISP |
| 12:33.49 | Innocentus | hmm |
| 12:33.50 | mjt | very few ISPs support debian in the first place |
| 12:33.51 | Innocentus | right |
| 12:33.58 | Innocentus | but debian is great |
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| 12:34.35 | mjt | btw, 2.6.20 is not lenny, it is something older |
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| 12:35.04 | mjt | and most likely contains a ton of security issues too |
| 12:35.07 | Innocentus | but lenny runs on it |
| 12:35.14 | Innocentus | damn, bad luck with this vserver |
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| 12:35.49 | mjt | i don't see any issues with upgrading to squeeze, including the kernel. |
| 12:36.13 | mjt | as jelly said at max you'll have to tweak something later manuallu |
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| 12:37.07 | jelly | Innocentus: I'm not sure squeeze userspace would work _at all_ on that kernel. |
| 12:37.12 | Innocentus | for Squeeze Linux Kernel 2.6.26 is required :/ |
| 12:37.19 | mjt | and no, upgrading linux is not like upgrading windows. upgrade procedure - maintainer scripts of each package - tries to convert current configuration if config file format/location has changed |
| 12:37.33 | mjt | and so what? install 2.6.32 |
| 12:37.44 | mjt | (which is squeeze native kernel) |
| 12:37.47 | Innocentus | I can't, I have no access to the xen vm, only to a gues vserver os |
| 12:37.53 | Innocentus | *guest |
| 12:37.57 | jelly | Innocentus: you have a xen guest? |
| 12:37.58 | mjt | so install it in guest |
| 12:38.05 | Innocentus | you mean a vm inside a vm? |
| 12:38.14 | Innocentus | but won't defeat this performance |
| 12:38.16 | mjt | gives up |
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| 12:38.27 | Innocentus | mjt: no need to do so, just help me |
| 12:38.39 | jelly | Innocentus: which virtualization technology are we talking about here. |
| 12:38.42 | Innocentus | xen |
| 12:38.52 | jelly | Innocentus: and what's your current uname -a ? |
| 12:38.56 | Innocentus | 2.6.26 |
| 12:38.59 | Innocentus | no no |
| 12:39.01 | mjt | it's not -a |
| 12:39.07 | Innocentus | 2.6.20-xen-r6 |
| 12:39.11 | Innocentus | this is the uname -a |
| 12:39.12 | mjt | still not -a |
| 12:39.16 | jelly | Innocentus: please show the correct, full output of "uname -a" |
| 12:39.21 | inscara | abrotman: hi, this is just for your information. On Friday, I finally got the vbox Debian guest running just by updating the fstab file by changing the references to /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1. So thanks a lot for the tip!!! :) |
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| 12:39.36 | abrotman | inscara: enjoy! |
| 12:39.46 | Innocentus | Linux ###.###.### 2.6.20-xen-r6 #1 SMP Fri Feb 8 21:07:17 CET 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:40.00 | jelly | le sigh |
| 12:40.00 | Innocentus | that's the complete output |
| 12:40.02 | mjt | jelly: one possible issue with xen might be the way it is configured to boot - it may use external (to the vm) kernel |
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| 12:40.38 | Innocentus | jelly: but 2.6.26 is required for squeeze |
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| 12:40.54 | Innocentus | so the kernel is too old by 0.0.06 :( |
| 12:41.18 | mjt | anyway. I repeat again: this virtual machine is running ITS OWN kernel, not use the HOST kernel (as it is for linux-vserver project) |
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| 12:41.36 | dehemos | Hi, i've got a big probleme, i'm on Debian Testing with Linux 3.0, and i don't find /dev/ram0 |
| 12:41.45 | Innocentus | mjt: so I can simply change the kernel on vm? |
| 12:41.46 | mjt | and you upgrade system INCLUDING its kernel |
| 12:41.49 | Innocentus | cool |
| 12:41.58 | Innocentus | so I can dist-upgrade to squeeze, right? |
| 12:42.00 | mjt | and that one depends on the way how this virtual machine boots |
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| 12:42.16 | Innocentus | how can I check if the kernel can be changed? |
| 12:42.18 | mjt | ie, where it takes its kernel&Initrd from |
| 12:42.24 | jelly | Innocentus: you can try installing and booting into linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 if your provider allows you to |
| 12:42.43 | mjt | how do you configure the boot loader? |
| 12:42.45 | Innocentus | jelly: so the provider has to provide a menu or something with which I can manage the kernels? |
| 12:42.53 | mjt | oh ma |
| 12:42.57 | dehemos | Where is Ram0 in the kernel 3.00 of debian |
| 12:42.57 | Innocentus | I never configured the boot loader on this system, it was preinstalled |
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| 12:43.15 | mjt | dehemos: in the same place as before |
| 12:43.27 | mjt | Innocentus: so take a look at /boot/grub/ mayb? |
| 12:43.31 | Innocentus | ok |
| 12:43.39 | jelly | dehemos: use #debian-next channel on irc.debian.org if you're playing with testing |
| 12:43.39 | dehemos | mjt > Where ? I'm French |
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| 12:43.59 | Innocentus | bash: cd: /boot/grub/: No such file or directory |
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| 12:44.07 | Innocentus | I did this with rooted access of course |
| 12:44.09 | mjt | so ask your isp how it boots |
| 12:44.17 | mjt | ofcourse? that's not needed |
| 12:44.49 | Innocentus | how can I check how it boots? |
| 12:44.53 | Innocentus | any way to do this? |
| 12:45.29 | mjt | sure. call your isp support phone number and tell "hello, my contract number is ..., please tell me how my virtual machine finds its kernel image" |
| 12:46.14 | mjt | btw, what's the content of your /proc/cmdline ? |
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| 12:47.17 | Innocentus | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.21 | Innocentus | you mean it is a file? |
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| 12:47.36 | Innocentus | root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 12:47.39 | Innocentus | this is the content of it |
| 12:48.15 | mjt | which basically means nothing :( |
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| 12:48.44 | mjt | (sometimes it is possible to guess which bootloader is in use from that file) |
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| 12:49.18 | Innocentus | ok, so there is no way left for determining the boot process |
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| 12:49.33 | mjt | there is, see above. |
| 12:50.32 | Innocentus | you mean the human way |
| 12:50.35 | Innocentus | hmm, ok |
| 12:50.48 | mjt | ask them how to update that kernel, too |
| 12:50.58 | Innocentus | they wrote me some months ago they will add the ability to switch kernels |
| 12:51.00 | mjt | it's too old to have necessary patches |
| 12:51.07 | Innocentus | they haven't wrote anything new |
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| 12:51.13 | mjt | so ask them how that process is going, whatever. |
| 12:51.15 | Innocentus | ok |
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| 12:51.26 | mjt | apparently it's booted from outside as i predicted |
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| 12:51.38 | Innocentus | alright, so only the provider can change the kernel then |
| 12:52.12 | mjt | no idea |
| 12:52.17 | Innocentus | thank you |
| 12:52.29 | Innocentus | I will contact them, maybe they already implemented this feature |
| 12:55.05 | pouete | Hi all, i have a question about mii-tool : in the centos man, a note says that it is obsolete. What about in debian , as it is not mentionned ? |
| 12:55.35 | liiwi | same thing, pouete |
| 12:55.42 | liiwi | use ethtool |
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| 12:56.40 | pouete | Many thanks liiwi |
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| 13:00.01 | MrWax | somehow there is some mails that were to be sent in the queue , and that postfix keeps trying to send.. any idea how i can remove those? |
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| 13:00.48 | mjt | postsuper -d |
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| 13:08.43 | Jarvis | MrWax: mailq will give you a list of them and yea mjt is correct postsuper -d <id> will remove them |
| 13:09.09 | Innocentus | sorry, my irc client crashed |
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| 13:13.38 | MrWax | ok thanks |
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| 13:14.40 | Mark22 | Hello, what is the best option to get UTF-8 support available within PCRE (if PCRE is installed using apt-get) |
| 13:15.33 | greycat | I have a color PDF that I'd like to translate into black-and-white, or greyscale, or something, so that I can print it on a LaserJet printer and actually be able to read the resulting paper. |
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| 13:17.28 | thogar | ah figured it out, Tcl? well whatever it be, for the clock panel, default clock format was just %R and it needed to be %I:%M %p for 12 hour with am/pm |
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| 13:17.40 | greycat | would imagemagick be useful for that, and if so, where do I find actual documentation that describes how to do it? |
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| 13:20.09 | mjt | greycat: most of the time printer itself can work it out quite well. if not, you'll have to convert colors I guess -- but dunno which app can help you there. |
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| 13:23.56 | sybariten | well is it an image you are working with? |
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| 13:26.04 | abrotman | greycat: pdfedit ? |
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| 13:38.32 | Odaym | I have installed a software through a .sh file |
| 13:39.21 | sybariten | cool |
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| 13:39.42 | Odaym | haha |
| 13:39.54 | Odaym | I'm not going to continue because I think I've got a solution |
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| 13:42.40 | wols | yes, the solution is not to do it anymore |
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| 13:49.08 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 13:49.37 | lancelot_of | is there any tool to read all my laptop information (such as model serial features etc)? |
| 13:50.11 | lancelot_of | i remember there were some files to read from or some software but i don't remember specifically what |
| 13:50.17 | wols | lshw ? |
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| 13:51.28 | nevyn | dmidecode |
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| 13:53.55 | wols | !tell lancelot_of about what's my hardware |
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| 13:55.18 | lancelot_of | thank you very much |
| 13:55.53 | daedhel | hi, is there a repo for the CK patched kernel for Debian ? |
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| 13:58.27 | greycat | adds "pdfedit" to the list of things to look into when ITD un-breaks the Web |
| 13:58.41 | jelly | daedhel: if you find one, please add it to the "ck" factoid |
| 13:58.56 | jelly | !ck |
| 13:58.56 | dpkg | [ck] Con Kolivas' kernel patchset aimed at improving desktop interactivity; http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/ , patches at http://kernel.kolivas.org/ IRC: #ck on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:59.10 | daedhel | jelly: alright |
| 13:59.42 | jelly | apparently it does good on high load multiuser servers as well |
| 13:59.52 | daedhel | should be merged |
| 14:00.02 | jelly | will never be merged |
| 14:00.13 | daedhel | the kernel devs ego are too fucking astronomical |
| 14:00.19 | daedhel | *gos |
| 14:00.22 | daedhel | *egos |
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| 14:00.52 | jelly | egos on both sides are impressive, but con isn't going for a merge at all any more |
| 14:01.21 | daedhel | yeah |
| 14:01.24 | daedhel | its a shme |
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| 14:06.00 | aproxymate | !seen M0ffe |
| 14:06.01 | dpkg | m0ffe is currently on #debian, last said: 'It seems 1.X mostly is more flexible wrt number of devices and expansion, if that is the case, there is not exactly much reason to go for 1.2'. |
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| 14:10.49 | lancelot_of | any tool to use fingerprint reader on debian? |
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| 14:13.17 | abrotman | yes .. i've seen it .. i believe you can even get it to work with gdm |
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| 14:14.02 | abrotman | lancelot_of: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_integrated_fingerprint_reader ... that's for a thinkpad .. i'm sure there are others |
| 14:14.16 | wols | lancelot_of: yes, but not all readers are supported |
| 14:14.17 | babilen | lancelot_of: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/fprint plus ... ^^^ |
| 14:14.24 | lancelot_of | abrotman, i'm on thinkpad but that link isn't useful |
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| 14:14.42 | wols | why not? it's pretty clear what to do and what to use |
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| 14:15.33 | abrotman | hrm .. that should probably get packaged ? |
| 14:15.56 | babilen | ,info libpam-fprint --release sid |
| 14:15.58 | judd | Package libpam-fprint (admin, extra) in sid/i386: PAM module allowing authentication via fprint. Version: 20080330+git-5; Size: 12.3k; Installed: 100k; Homepage: http://www.reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Pam_fprint |
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| 14:17.06 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | judd: versions fprintd |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:17.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'fprintd' was found in i386. |
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| 14:18.18 | anomaly | odd thing.. the function key for screen brightness, to dim works.. yet, the up arrow which is specified for screen brightness does nothing. where might I look for this key binding? |
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| 14:19.39 | MrWax | postfix/smtpd[3739]: warning: SASL: Connect to private/auth failed: Permission denied |
| 14:19.42 | MrWax | postfix/smtpd[3739]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 14:19.44 | MrWax | where this is caused by? |
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| 14:20.27 | wols | by postfix, what else? |
| 14:20.39 | wols | note that postfix is usually in a chroot |
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| 14:20.55 | lancelot_of | fprintd must be downloaded and compiled from source but it doesn't work don't remember why. I tried it last week and purged everything. On Debian i'm getting working only the demo but no fingrprint login is available |
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| 14:32.09 | Pymous | I'm trying to zip a folder full of file with space in the name, but I have an error (zip error: Zip file structure invalide), and I don't see any options in the man |
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| 14:35.20 | greycat | can't help wondering why you're using zip instead of tar... |
| 14:35.28 | greycat | that said, what is the actual command you are typing? |
| 14:35.59 | Pymous | greycat > If you have a solution with tar, I can use it ! :) |
| 14:36.07 | Pymous | my command is: zip * myzip.zip |
| 14:36.20 | greycat | I thought the zip archive name went *first*, not last |
| 14:36.43 | greycat | yup... should be zip myzip.zip * |
| 14:36.43 | Pymous | Oh... |
| 14:36.46 | Pymous | Fixed \o/ |
| 14:36.48 | Pymous | Thanks you ^^ |
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| 14:37.46 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 14:39.11 | Iridos | Pymous, also, tar -cvzf myfile.tgz . |
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| 14:44.14 | rudi_s | Btw. please put the files in a directory before zipping/taring them. Makes unpacking much more pleasant. |
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| 14:45.26 | lrojas | hi all, i would like some advice on what laptop could i buy that fully supports linux? ( i would like something slightly modern, 15", etc ) |
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| 14:52.07 | treebeen | i hear often that thinkpads are pretty good, also HP usually works good from my experience |
| 14:53.33 | nkuttler | i still use an ibm thinkpad <3 not sure about the lenovo ones |
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| 14:54.31 | nezZario | lrojas: pretty much anything should be ok, .. wifi and video card support is what I would look at |
| 14:54.38 | nezZario | just look up the specs and cross ref with known drivers |
| 14:54.50 | nkuttler | lrojas: or google model + linux install |
| 14:55.33 | nezZario | I mean, I know FreeBSD works extremely well with pretty much laptop on the market minus some nvidia video cards |
| 14:55.52 | nezZario | and freebsd should be slightly behind the curve on desktop/laptop oriented drivers |
| 14:55.57 | SkilZ | what will apt-get dist-upgrade do? |
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| 14:56.34 | nezZario | so lrojas, pretty much anything should work very well |
| 14:57.05 | nezZario | like i said, wifi cards, video card/chipsets should be the only thing you need to worry about.. everything else should be pretty standard stuff |
| 14:57.19 | abrotman | SkilZ: man apt-get |
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| 14:57.40 | nezZario | linux has came a long way since I was struggling to get winmodems working with slackware 6 |
| 14:57.42 | lrojas | hmm, ok... is just i would like to get it right the first time as my budget wont allow me to go crazy or make mistakes regarding an unoperative laptop |
| 14:58.00 | nezZario | lrojas: another thing you might consider is a return policy |
| 14:58.03 | SkilZ | abrotman, From my understanding of the manual, it will upgrade my system files? |
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| 14:58.20 | SkilZ | What about up upgrade to testing? |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | lrojas: linux-laptop.net also, thinkwiki.org |
| 14:58.27 | greycat | SkilZ: you should only be using dist-upgrade when you are moving between Debian versions (5 -> 6 for instance) |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | SkilZ: you don't wan tto do that |
| 14:58.50 | SkilZ | Do don't dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:58.56 | SkilZ | So* |
| 14:59.02 | nezZario | with both laptops i've bought in the last 3 years, the first was returned because of first one the harddrive failed and it had dead pixels, -- and the 2nd was returned because the psu gave out in like a week |
| 14:59.21 | SkilZ | Need to get 13.3 MB of archives |
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| 14:59.27 | SkilZ | theres a few lib files |
| 14:59.31 | SkilZ | is it okay to do? |
| 14:59.33 | nezZario | e.x. don't get something you can't reasonably return.. kind of out of the scope of #debian, but just saying |
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| 14:59.53 | lrojas | thanks guys |
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| 15:02.20 | greycat | SkilZ: without knowing what version of debian you are actually running, and what lines you have in your sources.list, it's impossible for us to say whether you're doing something harmful or not |
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| 15:09.49 | SkilZ | When ever I try to install something it's telling me to apt-get autoremove, but it wants to remove like 500mb of files (gnome) im using gnome, I don't want to remove it! |
| 15:10.04 | SkilZ | let me make a pastebin |
| 15:10.57 | greycat | autoremove is brain-damaged |
| 15:11.22 | nezZario | i'm brain damaged too but that doesn't make me not useful |
| 15:11.39 | mjt | how it's brain-damaged? |
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| 15:11.43 | abrotman | he probably shouldn't be using apt-get |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | in case you haven't noticed .. SkilZ has no skills |
| 15:12.03 | greycat | mjt: what, you mean it's just me and SkilZ? You don't get crazy shit where it wants to remove things you'd prefer it not remove? |
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| 15:12.23 | TimmyT | how to add an option into an item in grub2? |
| 15:12.25 | mjt | it never does that for me |
| 15:12.30 | greycat | how odd. |
| 15:12.39 | mjt | because i told it what i want |
| 15:12.51 | mjt | or else how it can know? |
| 15:12.52 | greycat | you never installed anything like build-essential? |
| 15:12.58 | mjt | i did |
| 15:13.17 | abrotman | TimmyT: /etc/default/grub probably |
| 15:13.21 | SkilZ | It was only after I installed 'xbindkeys' |
| 15:13.30 | abrotman | no, it was not |
| 15:13.47 | SkilZ | abrotman, Whats wrong BUDDY? Can't answer this one hey? No man page to help hey? |
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| 15:14.16 | greycat | arc3:/net/home/wooledg# apt-get autoremove => ... gs-common ... lzma mktemp openssl-blacklist ... |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | SkilZ: i could tell you what you've done .. but then you wouldn't learn anything |
| 15:14.52 | abrotman | (not that you've tried) |
| 15:14.53 | babilen | SkilZ: Please try to stay on-topic, technical and do not resort to personal attacks. Thank you. |
| 15:15.13 | mjt | greycat: so what's wrong with that? |
| 15:15.16 | abrotman | SkilZ: you really should be using aptitude .. it's more forgiving when you've done something silly like this .. it gives you options |
| 15:15.25 | SkilZ | abrotman, I beg to differ! How am I going to learn if I don't know whats going on? |
| 15:15.34 | greycat | why would it remove mktemp? and is openssl-blacklist no longer needed? |
| 15:15.43 | mjt | greycat: gs-common is not used. lzma was a dependency of soemthing but that dependency has now been removed. mktemp is a dummy package |
| 15:15.58 | abrotman | SkilZ: you're the one that did it .. you should know what's going on .. |
| 15:16.14 | Iridos | apt-get autoremove --> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove ... so no, doesn't try to remove crazy stuff |
| 15:16.20 | Iridos | can't remember that it ever did |
| 15:16.32 | SkilZ | abrotman, Okay, I will use aptitude, please tell the problem is? I installed a file now it wants to remove gnome? Thats not right! |
| 15:16.49 | SkilZ | Debian better not break my computer |
| 15:16.50 | babilen | SkilZ: The reason for the behaviour you see is probably that you explicitly removed something that was installed as a dependency of the "gnome" metapackage. As one of its dependencies was removed the metapackage itself had to be removed which caused all other (automatically installed) dependencies of the gnome package to be installed without reason. |
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| 15:17.29 | SkilZ | ahh, So just install gnome-desktop-manager and it should correct? |
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| 15:18.01 | mjt | if you want only gnome-deskto-manager and not the rest of gnome, yes |
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| 15:18.11 | babilen | SkilZ: They are therefore marked to be removed. If *you* want to keep some of them you have to make sure that they are either marked as being manually installed or that another package depends on them. You probably want to read the <install gnome> and <remove rhythmbox> factoid. |
| 15:18.12 | mjt | if you want gnome, install gnome |
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| 15:18.42 | mjt | what's the correct package? gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 15:18.46 | babilen | SkilZ: In particular the <install gnome> factoid contains a short discussion of the metapackages for the gnome desktop environment. |
| 15:18.54 | mjt | aha |
| 15:18.55 | abrotman | also see <fish> |
| 15:19.00 | babilen | mjt: That really depends on your needs. |
| 15:19.06 | greycat | removes mktemp and g++-4.3 and libstdc++6-4.3-dev but autoremove still wants to remove 39.6 MB of stuff and I think I'll pass on that. |
| 15:19.32 | mjt | the same thing applies here too |
| 15:19.55 | mjt | all that stuff has been installed as automatic dependencies of somethig that has been removed |
| 15:20.05 | babilen | yep |
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| 15:20.09 | mjt | so it all should go now |
| 15:20.34 | greycat | but that's not a sane policy. my system is working -- but I can't be sure it will continue to be working if I remove a bunch of stuff that has been there for years. |
| 15:20.41 | babilen | should finally propose that metapackages *recommend* packages instead of *depending* on them. |
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| 15:20.52 | greycat | even if I didn't ask for that stuff explicitly, I don't know what half of it *does* so I can't be sure it's safe to remove |
| 15:21.16 | mjt | so mark them all as "needed" and apt wont mention them from now on |
| 15:21.28 | greycat | or I could just not run apt-get autoremove |
| 15:21.32 | mjt | or that |
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| 15:22.00 | SkilZ | haha I fixed it |
| 15:22.04 | mjt | i found its functionality very useful on all my systems |
| 15:22.08 | babilen | greycat: That is not a good "solution" IMHO -- Tell the packaging system what you want and it will act accordingly. |
| 15:22.26 | SkilZ | easy as 'apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment'. |
| 15:22.34 | SkilZ | put one file back |
| 15:22.38 | SkilZ | and it was all good |
| 15:23.04 | greycat | babilen: you assume the packaging system knows all of the non-packaged stuff I may have installed locally which may or may not be depending on some weird thing that was installed 4 years ago |
| 15:23.21 | mjt | babilen: what recommend gives over depend? I think it's backwards |
| 15:23.38 | mjt | ie, you effectively lose the autoremove thing this way |
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| 15:24.14 | greycat | I only trust removal of libraries for which I have a newer version, and even then I'd still be a bit leery |
| 15:24.28 | mjt | so don't remove them ok? |
| 15:25.04 | mjt | package system can't handle locally installed stuff if it hasn't been properly packaged |
| 15:25.28 | mjt | if you install stuff manually it's your call and you know what you're doing |
| 15:25.37 | babilen | mjt: How so? You can easily remove one of the recommended packages and keep the rest, but if the metapackage is removed all the packages are removed as well. Or am I miunderstanding something? |
| 15:26.22 | mjt | um. are you saying that autoremove considers recommends too, not just depends? |
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| 15:27.07 | mjt | oh. i see |
| 15:27.27 | locojay | hi what souce should i add to install python2.7 . is there a way to manage sources.list like with pap add-repo. |
| 15:27.30 | babilen | mjt: It considers all packages that are either not installed manually or a dependency/recommend of another package. |
| 15:27.31 | mjt | so the stuff that has been auto-installed as a dependency will be marked as auto-installed still |
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| 15:27.42 | babilen | mjt: Yes, sure. |
| 15:27.53 | mjt | yeah, that makes sence |
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| 15:28.43 | SkilZ | Any filemanager that has a view like this to show a preview of files? http://static.skattertech.com/files/2007/10/apple-os-x-leopard-screenshot.jpg |
| 15:28.44 | mjt | but i'd say better keep it this way, - creating a metapackage is easy |
| 15:29.14 | mjt | (i prefer APT::Install-Recommends no) |
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| 15:29.54 | babilen | mjt: That is your decision and not the default. You should therefore be aware of the changed semantics of metapackage and should enable recommends if you want them. |
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| 15:30.30 | mjt | i don't want to enable them because it pullls just too much extra stuff |
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| 15:31.00 | babilen | mjt: You can optionally enable them (just like you can disable them) |
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| 15:31.21 | locojay | any tool to append to sources.list only if repo does not exist? |
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| 15:33.15 | greycat | well... you could concatenate the old sources.list and your new line to a temp file, pipe it through sort -u, then mv it back to sources.list |
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| 15:34.50 | mjt | just use grep to check if it's already there before adding it |
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| 15:35.08 | mjt | sort -u will not work well if spacing has been changed |
| 15:35.10 | greycat | grep -F, maybe. |
| 15:35.17 | greycat | neither will grep! |
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| 15:35.39 | mjt | grep will if you search just the url part |
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| 15:40.47 | larsl | I'm trying to make NetworkManager always start with networking disabled, for every user, regardless of whether it was enabled when the user logged out last time. Is there any nice way of doing that? |
| 15:41.26 | larsl | If it's not I'd settle for some way of disabling all non-local networking at the kernel level, but I'd prefer to use NetworkManager. |
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| 15:41.45 | larsl | Basically I want users to turn on networking explicitly, every time. |
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| 15:43.50 | f00f | larsl, you could change the gateway |
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| 15:44.14 | Iridos | greycat, perhaps you don't know what half of it *does* because it doesn't do anything anymore? |
| 15:44.26 | greycat | could be. |
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| 15:44.58 | greycat | for example, libdigest-hmac-perl -- that's one it wants to remove. do I know what that does? well, yes, in a theoretical kind of way... do I know what might be using it? no. |
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| 15:45.32 | larsl | f00f: Does all network traffic go through gateways? Including DHCP requests and things like that? |
| 15:45.37 | f00f | larsl, i am assuming that by 'non local' you mean your LAN |
| 15:45.53 | larsl | f00f: No, I meant everything except the 'lo' interface. |
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| 15:46.21 | Iridos | difficult if you have non-packaged stuff that depends on packaged stuff... but you can't really blame the packaging system for that |
| 15:46.27 | f00f | larsl, the easiest way is to disable the interface |
| 15:46.57 | f00f | users will need some permissions to bring up net interfaces though |
| 15:47.30 | f00f | ifdown eth0, ifup eth0 iirc |
| 15:47.32 | daedhel | hi, is there a repo for the CK patched kernel for Debian ? |
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| 15:47.50 | larsl | f00f: Yeah... that sort of breaks NetworkManager though. |
| 15:47.51 | greycat | daedhel: you mean, has one magically been created in the hour since the last time you asked? |
| 15:48.10 | f00f | ahh, thats true... |
| 15:48.12 | larsl | Since the interfaces would have to be unmanaged for that to work. |
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| 15:48.56 | larsl | One ugly hack would be to have an rc.local script that edited the nm config file for every user so it starts in "disabled" mode, but that feels ugly. |
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| 15:50.17 | TuxFighter | from where does debsums getting the hashes ? |
| 15:50.23 | TuxFighter | is at a global secure file |
| 15:50.31 | TuxFighter | or is it localy |
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| 15:50.54 | mjt | locally |
| 15:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | TuxFighter: I believe it's the signatures of the .deb files. |
| 15:51.13 | TuxFighter | but if purge it after every useand reinstall then it should be new right ? |
| 15:51.18 | daedhel | greycat: no. I mean, has anyone who arrived in the time between my question and the last time I asked it, know of any |
| 15:51.20 | TuxFighter | if I inculde a aptitute clean |
| 15:52.23 | abrotman | daedhel: you can make your own |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | daedhel: the Debian kernels may even take some of his patchset .. but i'm not aware of one that includes the whole thing |
| 15:52.58 | daedhel | abrotman: I looked into packaging. Once the headache triggered, I gave up |
| 15:53.06 | mjt | TuxFighter: it's a dpkg hook - when dpkg installs or removes something it calls debsums to update its local database, that's all |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | daedhel: try kernel-package .. it's much easier |
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| 15:53.30 | Iridos | greycat, guess you could have either packaged the things (with checkinstall?) or prepared dummy-packages for them that state the dependencies... then autoremove [sw]ould work flawlessly with those... guess now you could run ldd over all your not-packaged executables with find, sort -u column 1 and feed that to dlocate to see what packages are used... compare to stuff to be removed? |
| 15:53.35 | daedhel | abrotman: any wiki or faq to giveme about it? |
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| 15:54.15 | greycat | Yes, if I were willing to package everything that I wanted to install locally, and track down all the dependencies by hand at that time, then I'm sure it would be shinier. |
| 15:54.21 | lancelot_of | well about fingerprint reader question, now i know why fprintd doesn't work. If i run fprintd-enroll i get:"list_devices failed: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1" and dunno what it means and how to solve. Googling doesn't help |
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| 15:55.14 | mutante | what is dpkg status "ri"? removed and installed ? |
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| 15:55.18 | Iridos | I just think it's a bit unfair to blame the packager for the messy stuff you keep somewhere else :-P |
| 15:55.24 | greycat | currently removed, wants to be installed |
| 15:55.33 | mutante | k, thanks |
| 15:55.53 | mutante | a Nagios plugin reports this as "broken package". does that make sense though |
| 15:56.12 | abrotman | mutante: it's not a normal state usually .. |
| 15:56.23 | abrotman | mutante: either install it, or make the system believe you don't want it installed |
| 15:56.27 | mutante | check_dpkg does: dpkg -l|grep '^[uirph]'|egrep -v '^(ii|rc)' |
| 15:56.31 | TuxFighter | ok sorry now I understand |
| 15:56.35 | TuxFighter | thx for clearing thi |
| 15:56.37 | TuxFighter | s |
| 15:57.01 | larsl | daedhel: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 15:57.33 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for me? |
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| 15:58.37 | daedhel | larsl: ty |
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| 15:59.35 | mutante | thanks abrotman |
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| 16:01.04 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
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| 16:07.07 | TQOD | hello |
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| 16:13.17 | adentre | hard to find a nice that's not registered these days |
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| 16:16.05 | mutante | thats why all those web 2.x projects have the oh so fancy names :p |
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| 16:16.17 | mutante | without vowels and stuff |
| 16:16.31 | mroe | how would one check the ethernet status of a network port? (duplex and speed) |
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| 16:17.25 | babilen | mroe: ethtool IFACE |
| 16:17.28 | Alvo | ifconfig |
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| 16:18.18 | mroe | Alvo: I don't see it in the default output of ifconfig, babilen installing now |
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| 16:19.21 | babilen | mroe: Also: cat /sys/class/net/eth0/speed (for speed of eth0) |
| 16:21.42 | mutante | mii-tool |
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| 16:24.05 | mjt | mutante: mii-tool is deprecated please use ethtool or just direct sysfs access |
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| 16:24.28 | mroe | ethtool worked perfectly thanks |
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| 16:27.00 | mutante | mjt: got it, i was just reading that: "the original Linux tools for setting the speed and duplex of your NIC card was the mii-tool " but "replaced by the newer ethtool command, but many older NICs support" |
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| 16:27.22 | mutante | "older NICs support only mii-tool " (probably this was old in itself ) |
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| 16:27.56 | GreenDance | Hi |
| 16:28.19 | GreenDance | is the sudo in debian the same as the sudo in ubuntu? |
| 16:28.28 | bzed | ask ubuntu |
| 16:28.44 | bzed | they take stuff from debian and do things with it |
| 16:29.07 | mroe | GreenDance: why do you want to know? |
| 16:29.21 | TQOD | i prefer debian... |
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| 16:29.46 | GreenDance | mroe, because when I installed sudo in debian it says the user isn't allowed to use sudo? |
| 16:30.23 | greycat | You have to add yourself to the sudoers file |
| 16:30.26 | mroe | GreenDance: so you installed sudo and assumed that it would magically grant your username access to root privileges? |
| 16:30.42 | GreenDance | thats what happens in ubuntu |
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| 16:31.08 | mroe | GreenDance: no it is not |
| 16:31.29 | adentre | Ubuntu has sudo setup by default with the user being in the sudoers file doesn't it? |
| 16:31.31 | mutante | GreenDance: Debian wants you to use "visudo" to do that yourself, by adding a line |
| 16:31.33 | mroe | What happens in Ubuntu is upon installation of the system, it adds the user created in their initial setup to the shudders file |
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| 16:31.38 | mroe | sudoers* |
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| 16:31.57 | GreenDance | Oh! |
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| 16:32.17 | GreenDance | thanks for clearing that up |
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| 16:32.22 | wols | mroe: so can debian |
| 16:32.49 | mroe | wols: yes, but installing sudo after the fact isn't going to do it |
| 16:32.54 | adentre | I want to have my office network (all wireless except debian system connected by lan) connect through my debian server. Is it easier to config this setup through bridging the wireless router through the 2nd ethernet port or should I find and buy a pci wireless NIC that plays nice with linux and use that |
| 16:33.11 | Iridos | adentre, I think in ubuntu access is granted only over sudo for the 1st user after install... but for that you also have to ask #ubuntu |
| 16:33.29 | babilen | GreenDance: The easiest way is probably to add your user to the "sudo" group with "adduser YOURUSERNAME sudo" log out/back in and be happy. If you want anything fancy read "man sudoers" and edit /etc/sudoers accordingly with "visudo" |
| 16:33.35 | mutante | in Ubuntu, if you want real root, you need to use "sudo su", just "su" wont let you |
| 16:33.45 | abec0 | One can always use a quick modification to be in the /etc/sudoers file |
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| 16:34.03 | abec0 | echo "abec0 ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 16:34.17 | Iridos | mutante, well, "sudo bash" would be a little more straightforward :) |
| 16:34.36 | mroe | or sudo -s |
| 16:34.49 | larsl | After digging around a bit, it looks like I can just hack /etc/init.d/network-manager to set NetworkEnabled=false in /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state before it starts NetworkManager. |
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| 16:35.19 | Iridos | mroe, right :) (but I don't use sudo, so I'm not familiar with its options) |
| 16:35.28 | larsl | Or, more cleanly, add another init.d script that does that and always executes before /etc/init.d/network-manager. |
| 16:35.30 | jbeatty | babilen: the sudo group? do you mean the wheel group? |
| 16:35.39 | babilen | jbeatty: No |
| 16:35.44 | abrotman | jbeatty: there is a sudo group now also |
| 16:36.18 | whonss | Hello, I'm trying to authenticate a machine using ssh without password (using authentication files), and I followed thies http://ornellas.apanela.com/dokuwiki/pub:ssh_key_auth |
| 16:36.18 | jbeatty | I've always just added my user with visudo; that will still work, yes? |
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| 16:36.33 | nick0101 | hello |
| 16:36.33 | whonss | but I've been unable to make it work |
| 16:36.55 | nick0101 | I'm using a debian clone, what is the best way to configure keybord switch to en_US/el_GR ? |
| 16:36.56 | whonss | the remote machine keeps asking me the a password |
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| 16:37.12 | nick0101 | I see no X86cfg on /etc/X11 |
| 16:37.23 | babilen | jbeatty: Yes, but I find "adduser FOO sudo" to be easier (especially in terms of support) |
| 16:37.38 | whonss | mmm |
| 16:37.43 | whonss | nick0101: have you tried running: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 16:37.53 | larsl | whonss: Did you try running ssh with the -v option to see if it actually tries to use the key? |
| 16:37.54 | nick0101 | whonss: no, I'm new with debian and relatives |
| 16:38.06 | whonss | larsl: i'll try immediately |
| 16:38.17 | babilen | nick0101: What are you using? |
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| 16:39.16 | peterrooney | !not debian |
| 16:39.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:39.20 | whonss | larsl: yes, it finds the key, it tries to use it but it fails |
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| 16:40.19 | nick0101 | let's restart X |
| 16:40.34 | larsl | whonss: Not sure then. Did you set the access mode of the public key file on the remote host correctly? |
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| 16:42.11 | whonss | larsl: think so. Let me paste the debug messages: http://pastebin.com/q1yrTPgE |
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| 16:42.58 | nvictor | hola ll |
| 16:43.00 | nvictor | *all |
| 16:43.31 | nvictor | need some help with the find command, isn't --name supposed to look for names matching a patterns? |
| 16:43.38 | nvictor | find --name pat . |
| 16:43.39 | larsl | whonss: I'm no SSH expert, but that looks like you have a RSA key as your public key and a DSA key as your private key. |
| 16:43.44 | nvictor | and it does not work... |
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| 16:44.12 | larsl | whonss: Which seems wrong |
| 16:44.13 | babilen | nvictor: it works, you are just doing it wrong. Please read http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind and come back if you still have questions. |
| 16:44.23 | somiaj | nvictor: according to the man page its -name |
| 16:44.24 | whonss | larsl: ok, i'll have a look at that, thanks |
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| 16:44.48 | babilen | nvictor: And yes, it is -name as somiaj hawk eye rightfully spotted :) |
| 16:44.54 | larsl | whonss: My key files are named id_dsa (private) and id_dsa.pub (public). |
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| 16:45.14 | whonss | aha... |
| 16:45.22 | nvictor | babilen: ok |
| 16:45.26 | babilen | RSA keys are good though :) |
| 16:45.33 | nvictor | thanks somiaj |
| 16:45.52 | whonss | maybe just renaming them...? |
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| 16:46.58 | babilen | whonss: No, that is almost certainly not what you want. Why not create a new pair (ssh-keygen -t rsa) and try it with that? (backup the old ones if important prior to this) |
| 16:47.11 | whonss | ok, let's try |
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| 16:48.24 | babilen | whonss: That should give you ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub (public key) and ~/.ssh/id_rsa (private key) -- You can then use "ssh-copy-id [user@]machine" to copy the key to the remote host. |
| 16:48.42 | whonss | just done that, i'm about to try if it works |
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| 16:48.50 | whonss | YEEEAAAH! |
| 16:49.29 | whonss | thank you very much larsl and babilen ! |
| 16:49.44 | babilen | !congratulate whonss |
| 16:49.44 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies whonss, you did it! |
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| 16:50.02 | triptec | is it possible to do a dist upgrade without changing the kernel? |
| 16:50.04 | whonss | ^^ I spent like 2 hours trying to figure out what was wrong, i even reinstalled the ssh server |
| 16:50.13 | babilen | triptec: Please be more specific. |
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| 16:50.56 | adentre | Is there a list of PCI wireless NICs that are well supported by linux? |
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| 16:51.34 | somiaj | triptec: it may depend on which versions you are upgrading between. If you upgrade to a version that requires a feature from a newer kernel you are sol -- but not its not required to upgrade the kernel, just make sure you have the kernel meta pacakges removed so it won't automically pull in a new kernel |
| 16:52.10 | triptec | I just got a fresh ubuntu, but lets say it's a debian5, and I like debian6 but the kernel is write protected (I think, cuz of underlying zen or whatever) and I just would like to do a apt-get upgrade |
| 16:52.49 | triptec | somiaj, kernel meta packages? |
| 16:52.56 | triptec | how do I remove them? |
| 16:53.36 | somiaj | triptec: they are the pacakges like linux-image-2.6 |
| 16:54.03 | peterrooney | !not debian |
| 16:54.03 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:54.07 | Iridos | please ask #ubuntu for ubuntu stuff and don't try to magically declare it as debian |
| 16:54.12 | somiaj | triptec: the actual kernel package will linux-image-<full kernel version> |
| 16:54.54 | somiaj | triptec: also this is not #ubuntu, and if you are on a VPS using a xen kernel of some sort, you may not even have a kernel image installed or you will have to get it from your VSP provider (i.e. the kernel is part of the vps, not your actual server image) |
| 16:54.57 | peterrooney | triptec: if you knowingly use instructions directed at debian systems on ubuntu systems, who to blame when things blow up? |
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| 16:55.39 | peterrooney | sits back and waits for the explosions |
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| 16:57.59 | Iridos | peterrooney, ***BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*** |
| 16:58.36 | peterrooney | Huh. Needs more gelignite. |
| 16:59.11 | triptec | peterrooney, well, I usually blame my self ;) I did ask in ubuntu, but usually ppl here know more about both deb and ubuntu so I gave it a shot.. sorry if I offended u in anyway |
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| 17:01.05 | babilen | triptec: It has nothing to do with being offensive or not. We *only* support Debian in here and nothing else due to various reasons. Please respect that decision and ask in #ubuntu if you are using it. |
| 17:01.15 | peterrooney | i'm not offended, only concern is for your system |
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| 17:03.05 | triptec | I'll know in abit.. |
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| 17:04.07 | TuxFighter | Is there any way to get rsyslog write a /var/log/pwdfail |
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| 17:10.09 | TuxFighter | do you guys know why the debia team decided to use rsyslog ? |
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| 17:13.17 | e-anima | anyone knows how the font is called that is used in debian 6 fpr std console? |
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| 17:16.16 | jelly-home | TuxFighter: it's compatible enough with old syslog.conf, but with more features and one less daemon |
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| 17:16.46 | jelly-home | TuxFighter: I don't know why _they_ chose it, just what we found it |
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| 17:31.22 | TuxFighter | I always changed user and group id by just editing the group and passwd files, is this enight ? |
| 17:31.36 | TuxFighter | or is there a safer way which is recommend |
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| 17:32.11 | e-anima | how to solve the dependency issue lik: php5-cli: depends on: libonig2 (>= 5.2.0), which is a virtual package. |
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| 17:33.14 | e-anima | i just tried to use aptitude to install php5, last time i ises just apt-get and that has worked without dependency complainins |
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| 17:40.30 | jelly-home | ,versions libonig2 |
| 17:40.30 | judd | Package libonig2 on i386 -- lenny: 5.9.1-1; sid: 5.9.1-1; squeeze: 5.9.1-1; wheezy: 5.9.1-1 |
| 17:40.53 | jelly-home | e-anima: doesn't look virtual to me, which debian release are you using? |
| 17:41.00 | e-anima | 6.0 |
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| 17:41.04 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 17:41.05 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:41.06 | e-anima | just downloaded it 10 minutes ago |
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| 17:41.16 | e-anima | fresh install |
| 17:41.37 | jelly-home | e-anima: oh, you might be missing a configured debian mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:41.47 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell e-anima about squeeze sources.list |
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| 17:42.17 | e-anima | ah jea, thx, i´ll take a look |
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| 17:45.40 | e-anima | http://pastie.org/2449820 |
| 17:45.47 | e-anima | thats my sources-list |
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| 17:47.04 | Dirkos | can someone tell me how i can upgrade samba to 3.6 when running debian stable? |
| 17:47.24 | Dirkos | i have some performance issues with the 3.5.6 and dunno of the smb2 protocol will do any good |
| 17:47.27 | e-anima | with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 17:47.48 | Dirkos | yeah but its not in the repo yet (stable) |
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| 17:48.00 | babilen | e-anima: In which country are you? |
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| 17:48.08 | e-anima | germany |
| 17:48.50 | Dirkos | so u dont know howto install it right now cuz i dont wanna compile it by hand |
| 17:49.36 | zastaph | i'd like to change my terminal from white to some dark scheme, maybe candy or monokai .. was trying to find a guide.. and while I'm at it I'd like a better font too |
| 17:50.10 | babilen | e-anima: right (could have checked your hostmask) -- I would change the ftp.debian.org to ftp.de.debian.org in line 13 and 14, remove line 1-4 and replace them with "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" and a similar deb-src one |
| 17:50.26 | jham | zastaph: font - terminus |
| 17:50.34 | babilen | e-anima: Run "apt-get update" afterwards and everything should be fine. |
| 17:51.04 | babilen | zastaph: Which terminal do you use? |
| 17:51.23 | zastaph | babilen, standard terminal in debian 6.0 (gnome) |
| 17:51.39 | zastaph | jham, can't I use the same as in my text editor? Bitstream Vera Sans Mono |
| 17:51.45 | zastaph | http://www-old.gnome.org/fonts/ |
| 17:52.03 | zastaph | or would that not be fitting for terminal |
| 17:52.38 | jham | zastaph: it would. you just asked for some font, i did a recommendation. that's all. |
| 17:53.01 | zastaph | jham it's an improvement, but simply looks more bold |
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| 17:53.33 | babilen | zastaph: Ah, just right-click in the terminal and edit the profile -- You can set a different colour-scheme there. You would need the colour definitions though if you want something like molokai. http://paste.debian.net/127758/ for example ... I also recommend terminus, but some people like consolata or other fonts. |
| 17:53.48 | zastaph | thanks |
| 17:53.52 | jham | zastaph: terminus is a bitmap font, bitstream vera sans is not (which might result in some blured shape) |
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| 17:54.20 | zastaph | yes I think its cleartype |
| 17:54.24 | e-anima | babilen thank you so much :) works |
| 17:54.29 | babilen | zastaph: Those colours are first colour == first row, second colour == second row. |
| 17:54.33 | babilen | e-anima: Working now? |
| 17:54.45 | babilen | e-anima: Ah! Great, wonderful - You did it! :) |
| 17:54.46 | e-anima | is there some kind of officila page with all that country servers to bookmark |
| 17:54.50 | e-anima | yep wprks |
| 17:54.57 | babilen | !tell e-anima about mirrors |
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| 18:03.02 | karlpinc | Where can I RTFM on smart errors and what they mean. I got '1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors' and 'Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 98 to 99' last night. It's not changed but ... |
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| 18:05.38 | Odaym | "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the pidgin-ppa package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 18:05.38 | Odaym | " |
| 18:05.47 | Odaym | I got this when I did "sudo apt-get install mit-scheme" |
| 18:06.08 | Odaym | and going to Software Center to install it from there is producing an error as well, not just for mit-scheme, but for anything else as well |
| 18:06.16 | zastaph | babilen where do I find consolata? i installed ttf-inconsolata, but it's blurry as you said |
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| 18:06.35 | Odaym | this is a pidgin-ppa I used to be able to upgrade to the new pidgin using apt-get update, but that didn't work and so I removed it manually using Synaptic package manager |
| 18:06.39 | Odaym | how do I sort this error? |
| 18:07.32 | Bushmills | ,versions pidgin-ppa |
| 18:07.33 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pidgin-ppa' was found in i386. |
| 18:07.46 | Odaym | let me tell you where I got it from |
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| 18:08.26 | Odaym | http://www.pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/ |
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| 18:08.42 | Odaym | I thought this would work on Debian if it worked on Ubuntu, which was very stupid of me; of course. |
| 18:08.46 | Bushmills | don't mix debian and ubuntu |
| 18:08.51 | Odaym | of course |
| 18:08.51 | Bushmills | weird things may happen |
| 18:09.06 | Bushmills | like, your package manager will boo at you |
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| 18:09.27 | somiaj | Odaym: so you installed an unoffical ubuntu package on deban -- if you did this on stable you could easily cause many dependency issues (espcailly with the base libs) |
| 18:09.33 | Odaym | after this happened (ppa not effective), I removed it manually with Synaptic Package Manager and since then I've been getting errors about it everytime I do apt-get or aptitude something, of course |
| 18:09.43 | babilen | zastaph: ah, yes ... inconsolata :) |
| 18:09.50 | Bushmills | oh. at second thought, that seems to be exaxtly what is happening now |
| 18:10.01 | zastaph | babilen, but it was not bitmap (i think) |
| 18:10.17 | Odaym | always tells me "pidgin-ppa to be removed, and *whatever i was installing* to be installed" |
| 18:10.30 | Odaym | then ended with an error about how it couldn't remove the pidgin-ppa because it was manually removed |
| 18:10.32 | wols | then remove it? |
| 18:10.44 | somiaj | Odaym: purge it with dpkg --purge. |
| 18:10.50 | greycat | what does dpkg -l pidgin-ppa say now? |
| 18:10.53 | wols | Odaym: show us the exact error |
| 18:11.38 | babilen | zastaph: I prefer terminus |
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| 18:11.54 | Odaym | this is what `dpkg -l pidgin-ppa` produces, http://pastebin.com/Fe1HikSC |
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| 18:12.58 | greycat | rH... yeah, see what the --purge says. |
| 18:14.07 | Odaym | http://pastebin.com/vbvrBzvD |
| 18:14.22 | Odaym | this is the error I get while apt-getting or aptituding |
| 18:15.18 | greycat | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vbvrBzvD ... and ouch. Needs pidgin-specific knowledge. |
| 18:15.38 | Odaym | you'er pastebinning it back to me? |
| 18:16.04 | greycat | one of them I can read... the other, I have to parse through tons of HTML yuck |
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| 18:17.56 | Odaym | when I go to Synaptic package manager and mark for complete removal, I get the same error |
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| 18:18.47 | Odaym | and it won't unmark |
| 18:19.48 | greycat | Your error is coming from the package's post-removal script. It is pidgin-ppa specific stuff. Someone would have to understand how this pidgin thingy works to help you. |
| 18:20.20 | babilen | might dive into the prerm/postrm maintainer script in a second |
| 18:20.21 | greycat | The only thing *I* could help you do would be to bypass the post-removal script entirely, and that may leave things in some kind of weird state should you ever use a pidgin thingy again. |
| 18:20.35 | Odaym | sure |
| 18:20.36 | Odaym | let's try that |
| 18:20.56 | Odaym | I don't really care about the intricacies of what I leave behind when dealing with packages anymore |
| 18:21.08 | Odaym | I only care that the software I want is there when I want it |
| 18:21.12 | Odaym | so yes, please :) |
| 18:21.31 | greycat | Um, OK, it's your computer. edit the postrm script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/pidgin-ppa.postrm) and stick an "exit 0" on line 2. |
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| 18:21.57 | Odaym | how do you know that that's there? |
| 18:22.04 | Odaym | every package has a post-removal script? |
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| 18:22.16 | Odaym | residing in /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 18:22.21 | greycat | every package that *has* one, has it there. |
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| 18:24.20 | Odaym | it worked |
| 18:24.27 | Odaym | but what's the price to pay, exactly? |
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| 18:27.40 | somiaj | Odaym: read though the script, see what it is trying to do that you bypassed -- that is the only way to answer that question |
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| 18:27.49 | Odaym | I am |
| 18:28.01 | Odaym | it's deleting a gpg key that doesn't exist, firstly |
| 18:28.23 | somiaj | unoffical packages can sometimes do strange things. |
| 18:28.45 | somiaj | might also read though the postinst script and see what sort of modifications were done there and if any should be undone |
| 18:28.52 | greycat | what else did it want to do after removing the gpg key? |
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| 18:32.36 | Odaym | remove an entry of it from /dev/null |
| 18:32.48 | Odaym | not very versed in bash |
| 18:33.04 | Odaym | the step after the key was to check if $1 was "purge" |
| 18:33.16 | Odaym | if it is, "update-rc.d pidgin-ppa remove >/dev/null" |
| 18:33.24 | somiaj | umm, probabaly just piped the output to /dev/null -- you really cannot remove an entry from /dev/null |
| 18:33.31 | Odaym | yes |
| 18:33.33 | Odaym | >'ed |
| 18:33.34 | somiaj | yea that is just so you don't see the output of update-rc.d (: |
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| 18:33.58 | junix659 | hi does anyone know of a tool that will take the output of tcpdump and output it to the web?? not just pretty it up |
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| 18:34.18 | greycat | Odaym: so perhaps you want to remove the rc.d script/links yourself |
| 18:37.04 | Odaym | I see no sign of pidgin in /var/lib/update-rc.d |
| 18:37.36 | somiaj | Odaym: he means /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 18:37.40 | somiaj | Odaym: you may have links there |
| 18:37.45 | greycat | /etc/init.d/ and /etc/rc*.d/ |
| 18:38.06 | Odaym | yes it's in init.d and I "stopped" it a while ago |
| 18:38.21 | Odaym | i just removed it |
| 18:39.45 | Odaym | I just went through an apt-get update and none of the aforementioned errors came up |
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| 18:40.01 | Odaym | I had also removed the "exit 0" from line 2 of pidgin-ppa.postrm |
| 18:40.17 | Odaym | which had shut the error up |
| 18:40.32 | greycat | that's because as far as dpkg is concerned, the package has been successfully removed now |
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| 18:42.33 | Odaym | and installing through Software Center now works again |
| 18:42.41 | Odaym | job well done |
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| 18:46.22 | somiaj | Odaym: welcome to the world of unoffical (and sometimes testing/sid packages) -- stick with offical stable repos if you want almost all things to work smoothly. (: |
| 18:46.47 | Odaym | but it's so fun to go through this process :) |
| 18:46.49 | Odaym | heh |
| 18:46.52 | Odaym | but yes I get you point |
| 18:47.07 | Odaym | so much fun* |
| 18:47.21 | abrotman | is he even using Debian? last night he wasn't |
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| 18:47.47 | greycat | he claims he's using Debian with one or more Ubuntu packages |
| 18:47.55 | Odaym | I'm right here, abrotman |
| 18:48.07 | Odaym | my nickname is 1 tab away |
| 18:48.14 | abrotman | last night he had mixed in BT and other stuff |
| 18:48.27 | treebeen | Odaym: there? |
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| 18:49.44 | treebeen | so, why don't you just cut away support for sid and testing altogether? then you can sit the whole day here being quiet and enjoy the peace |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | treebeen: The point is that he wasn't using Debian yesterday .. |
| 18:50.11 | Odaym | what do you mean "yesterday"? |
| 18:50.20 | zach23 | I did sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install nagios-plugins-standard but it still wants to install libmysqlclient16 and mysql-common which i do not want installed. Is there anything I can do bypass the installation of those? I just need one file |
| 18:50.43 | greycat | generally it means "the period of time in between 1 and 2 sleep-cycles ago" |
| 18:50.58 | Odaym | I knew someone would say something like that |
| 18:51.01 | Odaym | but not so eloquently |
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| 18:51.26 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:51.52 | Odaym | ah, he's not talking about me, then, greycat |
| 18:51.53 | greycat | no /whowas for onryo :-( |
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| 18:52.20 | abrotman | oh jesus .. |
| 18:52.25 | abrotman | Odaym: sorry .. so similar :) |
| 18:52.38 | abrotman | hits himself repeatedly |
| 18:52.42 | Odaym | because you had mentioned it while no mention of the other was on the screen |
| 18:52.49 | Odaym | and I AM using debian with one/more Ubuntu packages |
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| 18:53.05 | abrotman | Odaym: this was 24hrs ago .. very similar nick, again, apologies |
| 18:53.06 | jcrowgey | i'm working on configuring xorg for my acer aspire one 722, screen resolution isn't working exactly as described on wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
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| 18:53.16 | jcrowgey | let me know if you think you might be able to help. |
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| 18:55.12 | YazzY | hi guys |
| 18:55.21 | YazzY | why the heck i only get to create an LVM partition of 1603134.23 MB (1.6TB) ? |
| 18:55.22 | treebeen | zach23: hmm, it shouldn't install the mysql dep, it tried here |
| 18:55.25 | YazzY | is there some weird limit there? |
| 18:55.37 | dude | someone i got a üroble |
| 18:55.40 | abrotman | jcrowgey: could you give us some more details ? |
| 18:55.42 | dude | i got a strange problem |
| 18:55.44 | zach23 | treebeen: so weird unless you already have it |
| 18:55.54 | jcrowgey | abrotman, sure, what details might be helpful? |
| 18:56.04 | abrotman | what is your screen resolution? what doesn't work? :) |
| 18:56.04 | dude | i added /dev/md4 swap from /dev/sdg |
| 18:56.27 | dude | it says the device has not enough space or something |
| 18:56.48 | jcrowgey | ok, well, currently, I'm at 1024x768, with no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ |
| 18:56.53 | treebeen | zach23: no, not installed |
| 18:57.08 | jcrowgey | but supposedly my hardware (Acer Aspire One 722) supports 1366x768 |
| 18:57.24 | jcrowgey | there are some instructions on configuring this on two sites that i've found |
| 18:57.39 | jcrowgey | wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne is an example |
| 18:57.41 | treebeen | zach23: maybe try aptitude -R install ? |
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| 18:58.08 | zach23 | treebeen: okay thank you |
| 18:58.19 | jcrowgey | once i got grub2 installed, and made a 912_resolution file for grub with insmod |
| 18:58.34 | jcrowgey | i seem to be getting the full res on the grub menu screen |
| 18:59.07 | jcrowgey | but the instructions I have (mostly an example of some lines in xorg.conf) haven't worked out to get the full 1366x768 mode once I'm in the graphical environment |
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| 18:59.09 | abrotman | jcrowgey: look at OFTC |
| 18:59.18 | jcrowgey | ah, what's OFTC? |
| 18:59.35 | abrotman | the other channel you were asking |
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| 18:59.54 | ompaul | other network |
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| 19:01.16 | jcrowgey | haha |
| 19:01.20 | jcrowgey | thanks abrotman |
| 19:01.30 | jcrowgey | i'm obviously looking everwhere for help on this |
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| 19:05.38 | jelly-home | well, look everywhere but IN SEQUENCE |
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| 19:06.31 | Sazpaimon | I want to capture the output of a specific window running on Xvfb and send it to something like livestream or icecast. Any software reccomendations to get this done? |
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| 19:07.33 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 19:12.48 | sweetandy | Is it possible to install Debian onto unformatted hard disk space from an ISO on a currently active partition containing a different distro? |
| 19:13.57 | rozie | sweetandy: debootstrap should be easier |
| 19:14.01 | rozie | man debootstrap |
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| 19:16.11 | junix659 | can i run dsniff and ntop at the same time? |
| 19:16.42 | somiaj | many distros will have debootstrap in their repo of installable packages, but you may have to grab the source and compile it if you have one that does not sweetandy |
| 19:17.20 | somiaj | junix659: have you tried...ports don't get locked when one program opens them...so both should be able to read them independtally. |
| 19:17.26 | junix659 | just did |
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| 19:17.27 | junix659 | thanks |
| 19:18.11 | junix659 | somiaj: is there a tool to output it to http??? |
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| 19:19.11 | eagles0513875_ | hey guys how can i get flash to work in iceweasel |
| 19:19.25 | ompaul | !flash |
| 19:19.25 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 19:20.07 | somiaj | junix659: there are many system monintor tools that are controlable/viewable via http, but I don't know any off the top of my head. Though the ones I'm thinking are a bit intrusive and do more than just monintor the network |
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| 19:20.29 | junix659 | somiaj: that's fine by me, what are they? |
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| 19:20.50 | somiaj | junix659: I have no clue, splunk came up in google |
| 19:21.02 | junix659 | oh ok |
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| 19:22.28 | somiaj | what about iptraf, its not http, but its a ncurses monintor |
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| 19:22.47 | abrotman | maybe ask him what he's really trying to do? |
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| 19:25.56 | karlpinc | I'm following along the instructions at http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html, in the section on LVM, the goal being to find the file/block that's bad after smart reported a read error. Looking at the expression "(# PE's start of partition * sizeof(PE)) + parttion offset[pe_start] = (3072 * 8192) + 384 = 25166208" I'm wondering where the number 384 comes from and just what it means. My lv maps to several pvs, sometimes more than once to |
| 19:26.41 | karlpinc | If this isn't the place where should I try asking? |
| 19:27.06 | rudi_s | karlpinc: AFAIK that's a LVM header on the disk, after it the PEs start. |
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| 19:27.15 | rudi_s | (But I'm no LVM expert.) |
| 19:27.28 | karlpinc | rudi_s: Thanks. That'd be one header per pv, right? |
| 19:27.34 | rudi_s | (Btw. if you have an encrypted disk there's also a LUKS header.) |
| 19:27.49 | karlpinc | rudi_s: No worries. No luks on this disk. |
| 19:27.56 | rudi_s | karlpinc: I think so, haven't tested it though. |
| 19:28.07 | karlpinc | rudi_s: Well, I'm about to test. :) |
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| 19:28.12 | rudi_s | ;-) |
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| 19:30.47 | JordiGH | wtf? http://codepad.org/GQPndjt2 |
| 19:30.57 | JordiGH | aptitude install results in it being removed? |
| 19:31.10 | CyberGabber | karlpinc: Maybe this helps: http://vanderzee.org/bad_blocks_howto |
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| 19:31.41 | JordiGH | Also: http://codepad.org/3IeZa9MD |
| 19:31.53 | JordiGH | The pin priorities... |
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| 19:32.43 | somiaj | JordiGH: have you tried apt-get (its logic may do the trick). |
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| 19:33.53 | JordiGH | Yeah, apt-get tells me which other X packages are missing, but I prefer aptitude. Why is aptitude not even telling me what is wrong here? |
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| 19:34.12 | JordiGH | aptitude should allow me to do conflict resolution. Why isn't it doing it? |
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| 19:34.54 | karlpinc | CyberGabber: Thanks. I'll take a look. |
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| 19:35.13 | andihit | what changes does dpkg-reconfigure do on the filesystem? |
| 19:35.37 | streuner | only magic :) |
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| 19:36.24 | streuner | wth, do you think it would do? |
| 19:36.36 | andihit | predictable magic? |
| 19:37.07 | karlpinc | CyberGabber: No. It's an older copy of what's at sourceforge. |
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| 19:39.41 | dude | usr/sbin/grub-probe: Fehler: no such disk. |
| 19:39.53 | streuner | andihit: you should give us more details, othwerwise we arent able to help |
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| 19:41.39 | dude | ok |
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| 19:41.56 | andihit | streuner: I have a bootstrapped minimal debian installation, configured with some packages, as a tar.gz archive. now I did this (bootstrap, configure, archive) like three times because everytime I forgot something. now I don't want to do this again and I am looking for some way to install my locales without dpkg-reconfigure locales, with only access to the filesystem |
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| 19:42.27 | dude | i booted from md3, but befroe i copied everything from /sdg to md3 |
| 19:42.36 | fabiobik | hi have just installed debian 64bit graphical |
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| 19:42.39 | simonlnu | you don't need to network to do that |
| 19:42.40 | dude | then i edited grub to boot from md3 with the fstab entries and stuff |
| 19:42.43 | fabiobik | but when i start |
| 19:42.50 | fabiobik | is in cli |
| 19:42.58 | fabiobik | and then i doo startx |
| 19:42.58 | dude | now i wantet to permanently boot from md3 and used update-grub then i had this error |
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| 19:43.02 | fabiobik | and nothing |
| 19:43.08 | simonlnu | fabiobik: so install xorg |
| 19:43.13 | SpecR | hi mates, how can I see who has logged in to my debian server? I seem to fail finding the proper log file under /var/log |
| 19:43.26 | SpecR | via SSH I meant |
| 19:43.28 | simonlnu | you also need a wm or de |
| 19:43.30 | fabiobik | simonlnu why |
| 19:43.48 | simonlnu | otherwise you see what you're seeing now... |
| 19:43.52 | ix | andihit: you might be able to get by using locale-gen. |
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| 19:45.26 | andihit | ix: and where are the locales stored? /var/lib/locales doesn't exist |
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| 19:47.43 | Jarvis | andihit: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:47.58 | ix | Jarvis: He already specified that he can't use dpkg. |
| 19:48.06 | Jarvis | ah |
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| 19:48.40 | SpecR | have I being read? I've just identified to /nickserv |
| 19:49.07 | greycat | #debian doesn't require identification, but thanks for doing it anyway. |
| 19:49.16 | SpecR | :) |
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| 19:49.52 | SpecR | so is there a way I can see who (ip) has logged in into my server? |
| 19:49.56 | streuner | greycat: hey, iam here, for you :-P |
| 19:50.30 | greycat | SpecR: ''man last'' and ''man who'' (the former for historical records, the latter for current) |
| 19:50.34 | ix | andihit: I have absolutely no idea. I seem to have some stuff in /usr/share/i18n/locales matching my locale names which doesn't show up elsewhere. Maybe greycat knows. ;-) |
| 19:50.51 | Jarvis | andihit: according to this, edit /etc/locale.gen , and then run locale-gen |
| 19:51.02 | ix | I do know that locale-gen generates locales specified in /etc/locale.gen. |
| 19:51.18 | andihit | Jarvis: I can't run commands, I can only edit the filesystem (it's an image/template I want to edit) |
| 19:51.19 | greycat | also /msg dpkg locale |
| 19:51.24 | Jarvis | oh |
| 19:51.32 | greycat | I don't know the specific directories involved internally |
| 19:51.53 | twobitsprite | is there an executable which will perform the same basic thing as pam_crack.so? namely, check a provided password for matching certain complexity rules? |
| 19:51.59 | ix | It is a script. Shouldn't be too hard to read. |
| 19:52.05 | SpecR | greycat: great thanks |
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| 19:52.50 | andihit | ix: thx for pointing out, I'm reading :) |
| 19:53.26 | ix | andihit: Maybe you'll be able to replicate whatever's done in there from ze outside. :-) |
| 19:53.48 | abrotman | looks at ix ... |
| 19:53.53 | babilen | twobitsprite: There are plenty, you might be looking for cracklib-runtime |
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| 19:54.21 | streuner | abrotman: better look at me! /me missed my Marsala... |
| 19:54.32 | babilen | twobitsprite: But run "apt-cache search password check" or variations thereof. |
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| 19:54.37 | abrotman | takes the booze from streuner |
| 19:54.44 | streuner | haha |
| 19:54.56 | andihit | hm, locale-gen calls localedef, which is no script :( I think I'll take the easy but long way of creating a new image.. |
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| 19:55.22 | greycat | the Debian way is "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 19:55.24 | streuner | abrotman: i dont even know where the bottle of Marsale is... |
| 19:55.32 | ix | looks at abrotman looking at ix |
| 19:55.37 | dude | i got a problem if i do update-grub after moving from sdg to md1 |
| 19:55.42 | dude | http://pastebin.com/6iHtjHNR |
| 19:56.06 | streuner | abrotman: and thats pretty evil.. |
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| 19:58.07 | [sr] | howdy |
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| 19:58.22 | [sr] | how to set the max.files for a program and system wide? |
| 19:58.30 | [sr] | system, wide its /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 19:58.52 | twobitsprite | babilen: cool, thanks |
| 19:59.43 | simonlnu | check in sysctl and set the number you want |
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| 20:00.44 | greycat | [sr] you perhaps want ulimit |
| 20:02.08 | [sr] | greycat: my problem is on postfix that hits this limit when someone sends about 15.000 emails at once |
| 20:03.04 | [sr] | how can i know the current system wide max open files value? |
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| 20:03.11 | greycat | sounds like a misconfiguration of postfix, but I don't know postfix |
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| 20:03.38 | streuner | ask him about qmail, but nothing else |
| 20:03.59 | greycat | 15:58 [sr]> system, wide its /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:04.07 | greycat | you already *know* the answer to that one |
| 20:04.11 | streuner | if you need advice for postfix , please just ask in #postfix |
| 20:05.04 | [sr] | greycat: yes, sorry, what i'm looking is some kind of table that has some parameters to which max should be set based on installed memory versus CPU |
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| 20:05.13 | greycat | ...what? |
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| 20:05.45 | [sr] | in my case i have 12GB, and set fs.file-max = 15000, but on postfix people told me this limit was for a 2MB RAM system |
| 20:06.01 | valdyn_ | [sr]: thats silly |
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| 20:06.13 | greycat | if postfix is opening 15000 files at once, I agree, that is silly. |
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| 20:06.49 | [sr] | valdyn_: why? |
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| 20:07.07 | Dirkos | how can i update my samba to 3.6 in debian stable? |
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| 20:07.26 | Dirkos | im having some samba connection issues so with smb2 it should be better but how :) |
| 20:07.49 | streuner | to use samba in Debian is always silly, IMO. |
| 20:07.54 | valdyn_ | [sr]: file-max is not a way to encforce low memory usage |
| 20:09.06 | valdyn_ | streuner: where did samba get into this? |
| 20:09.20 | babilen | Dirkos: 3.6 has just been packaged and has not even been uploaded to unstable yet. I wouldn't recommend to use it. The general method would be to use backports or create a backport yourself. Ask our bot about <bdo> and <ssb> - e.g: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:09.29 | ompaul | valdyn_: roll back one more line and you will ssee |
| 20:09.48 | Dirkos | ah ok :) well if you dont suggest it |
| 20:09.50 | streuner | judd, versions samba |
| 20:09.51 | treebeen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.52 | treebeen | hmm, so why could cron.weekly not run? there is no hint in the logs that it ever tries |
| 20:09.52 | judd | Package samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny13; lenny-proposed-updates: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze4; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 2:3.5.11~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.5.11~dfsg-1; wheezy: 2:3.5.11~dfsg-1; experimental: 2:3.6.0-1 |
| 20:10.01 | valdyn_ | Dirkos: why do you think that smb is the issue at all? |
| 20:10.01 | Dirkos | the thing is im developing at my remote server using samba |
| 20:10.06 | Dirkos | but my IDE keeps tripping all the time |
| 20:10.18 | Dirkos | and i think its cuz the samba connection |
| 20:10.23 | greycat | stop tying its shoelaces to each other? |
| 20:10.32 | valdyn_ | Dirkos: i think its because samba file locking doesnt fit unix |
| 20:10.44 | Dirkos | well could be |
| 20:10.46 | ompaul | greycat: isn't the right solution to suggest velcro? |
| 20:10.50 | Dirkos | but im having HUGE problems with it haha |
| 20:10.59 | Dirkos | or is there a better way to setup the network? |
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| 20:11.26 | greycat | sounds like a #samba question |
| 20:11.40 | Dirkos | yeah well or just some basic advice :) |
| 20:11.49 | valdyn_ | Dirkos: i cant do much with a description like "HUGE" |
| 20:12.19 | ompaul | [sr]: you actually have someone seting 15k mails at once ... a single user? |
| 20:12.25 | Dirkos | valdyn_: my IDE crashes and my laptop gets very slow when the IDE is pushing files to the smb share |
| 20:12.30 | valdyn_ | Dirkos: ( if you dont know more, then youre probably just wildly guessing that samba is the cause ) |
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| 20:12.45 | Dirkos | well it wont happen on localhost thats the thing haha |
| 20:13.06 | [sr] | ompaul: strange i know but yes, he uses some !"#$!"#$"!# program for mailling lists |
| 20:13.14 | Dirkos | and since the IDE does alot of syncing and stuff i think thats the issue |
| 20:13.21 | [sr] | maybe its not 15k on the same batch, but several at the some times |
| 20:13.30 | valdyn_ | Dirkos: the network is what? wlan? |
| 20:13.43 | Dirkos | yeah just normal lan |
| 20:13.54 | Dirkos | connection speed to the server is like 8MB/s (100MBit) |
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| 20:14.53 | ompaul | [sr]: so it is rubbish asking for 15k files to be opened, if you look at the network traffic the tooing and froing would be kind of crazy, use a program called jnettop to see what is happening, I guess you will see some really silly things taking place and remember that your upload speed will need to be faster than his (theirs) |
| 20:15.56 | ompaul | [sr]: if you want to get mails out faster than him, I've watched postfix in slowmotion and I can say that a single mail is a wonderful thing to behold, and if anyone has you blacklisted for any reason there are the replies saying "55n" and so on |
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| 20:32.18 | omido | !ati |
| 20:32.18 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:32.24 | omido | !ATI |
| 20:32.24 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 20:32.31 | omido | !catalyst |
| 20:32.31 | dpkg | it has been said that catalyst is those big switches that Cisco makes. They cause me to drool on the spot. |
| 20:32.38 | omido | your bot sucks |
| 20:32.58 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 20:32.58 | omido | hmmmm |
| 20:33.09 | abrotman | or ask someone who knows .. apparently you don't |
| 20:33.10 | omido | yep. my connection is slow |
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| 20:34.51 | omido | i'm going to install debian but first i wanted to make sure if ATI drivers can be installed and another thing is that i dont want to install grub or any bootloader cause i want to use my opensuse |
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| 20:34.55 | omido | opensuse's grub |
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| 20:36.21 | abrotman | so skip the grub install |
| 20:36.41 | omido | abrotman: and i can add debian to opensuse's boot loader? |
| 20:36.54 | abrotman | i would imagine so |
| 20:36.55 | omido | what about the ATI card? is its installition easy? i'm a newbie |
| 20:37.03 | abrotman | !tell omido about fglrx |
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| 20:37.47 | omido | abrotman: thankyou. i'll be back after the installition. |
| 20:37.56 | abrotman | okay, good plan |
| 20:38.23 | omido | brb |
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| 20:48.37 | karlpinc | Smart tells me I have an error on my drive (http://paste.debian.net/127766/) yet when I do "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/tmp/badblock bs=512 count=1 skip=2398040" I get nothing in syslog or the console. I expect an error, why am I not getting one? |
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| 20:50.43 | pingveno | Is there a way to install a .deb that automatically pulls in its dependencies? |
| 20:50.56 | pingveno | I can't find anything in apt-get's man page. |
| 20:51.35 | DummyMode | dpkg -i downloaded_package.deb |
| 20:51.35 | dpkg | removes a lung from dummymode and replaces it with downloaded_package.deb |
| 20:51.43 | abrotman | pingveno: do a dpkg -i, then apt-get install <pkg> agAIN |
| 20:51.49 | DummyMode | apt-get -f install |
| 20:51.52 | JPT | karlpinc: i'm not sure about all of these values, but i guess they are stuff you won't notice... just like read errors on a dvd, it might just take another second to read the data again |
| 20:52.19 | pingveno | DummyMode: I was doing that, but I was hesitant to use that command. |
| 20:52.34 | pingveno | I'm testing packages that I'm writing. |
| 20:52.44 | karlpinc | JPT: It mailed me and said there was an uncorrectable read error. I think the "UNC" in the log means uncorrectable. |
| 20:53.30 | JPT | mhh.. i don't really know how an hdd might treat this internally... maybe the hdd reallocated that area or canceled it out, so it won't be used anymore... |
| 20:53.39 | pingveno | DummyMode, abrotman: Thanks, much appreciated |
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| 20:53.55 | JPT | well, that hdd is pretty old, a full backup might be a very good idea ;) |
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| 20:54.32 | karlpinc | JPT: I've plenty of backups. What I want to know more than anything is if I need a new hd. |
| 20:54.53 | Tekk_ | how can I tell dpkg to ignore the dist of a package? |
| 20:55.13 | Tekk_ | I'm installing gtk 1.2 in wheezy to see if I can get some old programs to build :P |
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| 20:55.42 | karlpinc | JPT: I am tracking down the file(s) where there's the problem, to see if I care. (Actually, I know I don't but it's a good practice.) The smart seems to think the drive passes and is ok, but I get these problems.... |
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| 20:56.09 | karlpinc | JPT: What makes you think the drive is old? |
| 20:56.39 | JPT | i assumed it runs for about 3-5 hours a day |
| 20:56.48 | JPT | that makes it about 1.5-2 years old |
| 20:56.56 | karlpinc | JPT: I suspect it re-allocated the blocks and now the fs is corrupt, or the file is not good in any rate. |
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| 20:57.07 | karlpinc | JPT: It runs 24/7. |
| 20:57.10 | JPT | ah, okay |
| 20:57.27 | JPT | so there is still warranty on it? |
| 20:57.36 | karlpinc | JPT: Good question. |
| 20:58.16 | karlpinc | JPT: Would they even take it back on the basis of such errors? |
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| 20:58.44 | JPT | i'm not sure... but warranty means to me that a device operates without any errors in the given time. |
| 20:58.47 | filePeter | Hi |
| 20:58.51 | alesan | hi, is there a way to run rdate automatically at boot time? |
| 20:59.05 | filePeter | alesan: Yes with cron at boottime |
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| 20:59.37 | karlpinc | JPT: And does not lose data... |
| 20:59.42 | karlpinc | !tell alesan about ntp |
| 20:59.49 | alesan | filePeter, I do not use cron. |
| 20:59.57 | alesan | karlpinc, I use rdate. |
| 20:59.57 | JordiGH | Oh, wow, aptitude opens GTK+ by default nowadays? |
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| 21:00.15 | karlpinc | alesan: Then use /etc/rc.local. |
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| 21:00.26 | alesan | karlpinc, thanks I will use that |
| 21:00.51 | takahiro | anyone know of a debian package that blocks known spammer IPs so my apache doesn't go nuts trying to serve them? |
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| 21:05.18 | karlpinc | alesan: What sort of system are you running that does not use cron or ntp? |
| 21:06.36 | ompaul | takahiro: you could serve via squid and use some blacklists with that |
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| 21:07.32 | alesan | karlpinc, it's an embedded ARM board that I installed on a USB memory stick |
| 21:08.06 | karlpinc | !tell alesan about emdebian |
| 21:08.08 | alesan | I disabled cron because 1) useless to me and 2) it was using RAM and CPU cicles that are scarce on this platform |
| 21:08.42 | karlpinc | alesan: (Of course you're welcome here too.) |
| 21:08.47 | alesan | is that something different than "squeeze" ARMEL? |
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| 21:09.28 | karlpinc | alesan: I don't know. There are several varients of emdebian. |
| 21:09.34 | alesan | ok |
| 21:09.37 | alesan | I will have a llok |
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| 21:11.03 | JordiGH | Hm, GTK+ aptitude sucks with a dark theme. |
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| 21:11.45 | karlpinc | JordiGH: It's probably your debconf setting that's using gtk. |
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| 21:12.19 | karlpinc | JordiGH: You can override that with an environment variable, but are probably better setting it to what you want. |
| 21:12.21 | JordiGH | Sure, but I'd rather fix the colours. |
| 21:12.38 | JordiGH | GTK+ aptitude looks nice, but I wanna fix its colours. |
| 21:12.47 | JordiGH | Knowing GTK+, I probably have to recompile aptitude. :-/ |
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| 21:13.07 | JordiGH | Dammit people! Not everyone thinks white looks good! |
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| 21:13.24 | JordiGH | We dark themers get so much grief. |
| 21:13.46 | JordiGH | Don't get me started on people who set one of background foreground colour in input elements in CSS without setting the other. |
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| 21:16.27 | raboof | if the 'vpn' tab nm-applet has the 'add' button greyed out, what does that mean? |
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| 21:17.00 | raboof | wants to add a vpn connection, obviously :) |
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| 21:20.38 | karlpinc | So, regards the smart errors (http://paste.debian.net/127766/). Does this mean the drive is failing? And why do the detailed error messages have a different lba than the summary at the bottom? That seems weird. |
| 21:20.44 | g00se | How would the routing table suddenly (having worked fine for days) have an old gateway as the default route? |
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| 21:21.18 | karlpinc | g00se: Multiple dhcp servers? |
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| 21:22.24 | anigma | what kind of format would my USB stick need to be if I was going to store some files on it? |
| 21:22.27 | anigma | ext3? |
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| 21:24.10 | karlpinc | anigma: ext3 is nice, yes. |
| 21:24.11 | aaket504 | you can use any fs you want fat32 or ntfs if you want to use on any pc |
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| 21:24.54 | karlpinc | It seems that the lba mentioned in the smart detail log is readable, but not that in the summary. ?? |
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| 21:25.18 | anigma | ah, okey. |
| 21:25.20 | anigma | thanks |
| 21:25.36 | aaket504 | no prob |
| 21:25.53 | g00se | karlpinc: Something to do with a sudden power off today. Since powering up again, the default router has been wrong, which i wasn't aware of |
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| 21:26.05 | g00se | s/router/route |
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| 21:26.44 | alesan | how do I prevent gdm to start? |
| 21:27.00 | nvz | alesan: is it gdm, or gdm3? |
| 21:27.04 | alesan | my default runlevel is 2, I am surprised X is started automatically |
| 21:27.17 | alesan | nvz, what is the best way to check? |
| 21:27.21 | nvz | alesan: welcome to debian, you're not in redhat land anymore |
| 21:27.28 | nvz | alesan: are you running squeeze? |
| 21:27.30 | alesan | to stop it I do /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 21:27.42 | alesan | nvz, I think I do |
| 21:27.48 | nvz | alesan: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 21:27.55 | nvz | alesan: man update-rc.d |
| 21:28.00 | alesan | ok |
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| 21:28.07 | nvz | alesan: all runlevels 2-5 are the same by default in debian |
| 21:28.18 | nvz | alesan: you have to configure them if you want |
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| 21:33.16 | alesan | thanks |
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| 21:48.03 | alesan | apparently my system won't "mount" the swap partition |
| 21:48.04 | alesan | where is this activity done normally so that I can try and have a look? |
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| 21:49.02 | ompaul | alesan: what do you mean - how do you identify this? |
| 21:49.20 | alesan | ok I will tell you what I've done |
| 21:49.24 | ompaul | no |
| 21:49.29 | ompaul | tell me how you know it is not mounted |
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| 21:49.40 | ompaul | type free and you might see it |
| 21:49.40 | alesan | 'free' |
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| 21:49.59 | rwt | I set up an ircd a month ago and removed it. I want to set up another one but it turns out the ports that I wanted to use are still being listened on. How can i make them open to listen on? |
| 21:50.17 | nkuttler | !tell rwt about open ports |
| 21:50.24 | alesan | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 21:50.29 | nsadmin | you can swapon a swap, that's what you do since you don't "mount" |
| 21:50.38 | nkuttler | rwt: did you maybe remove the package but kept the process running? just kill it then |
| 21:50.44 | alesan | nsadmin, yes I know |
| 21:50.54 | alesan | so what I did was to install debian armel on this memory stick |
| 21:51.16 | nsadmin | and the swap partn is on the stick too? |
| 21:51.20 | rwt | nkuttler i dont see the processes running |
| 21:51.24 | alesan | and for the second board, instead of doing the netinstall all over again, I mounted both memory sticks on my laptop and did a cp -a from one to the other |
| 21:51.30 | alesan | nsadmin, yes |
| 21:51.40 | alesan | so it works on the first stick but not on the second |
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| 21:52.10 | alesan | now I see in /etc/fstab that the swap partition, instead of being referenced by the simple device name, has a 'uuid' or whatever it's called |
| 21:52.14 | nsadmin | can you pastebin the /etc/fstab of the second? |
| 21:52.31 | alesan | nsadmin, both /etc/fstabs are identical |
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| 21:53.08 | Harvie | Hi guys! |
| 21:53.16 | alesan | http://pastebin.com/1YxSyz3B nsadmin |
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| 21:54.02 | Harvie | Is there a way to build custom debian kernel package with openvz support? i can't find any up-to-date docs on this topic... |
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| 21:54.42 | goodman | hey debian good? or freebsd good ? |
| 21:54.50 | iGale0n | Debian |
| 21:54.58 | goodman | :) why?? |
| 21:55.05 | nsadmin | goodman: yes they are good |
| 21:55.37 | nsadmin | but... I may have a different definition of good than you do |
| 21:55.49 | nsadmin | what do you want? what are you looking for? |
| 21:56.54 | nsadmin | s/but/and/g |
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| 21:57.20 | helo | anyone know why a core file would be truncated even if 'unlimit -c unlimited' is set? |
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| 21:58.01 | nsadmin | Harvie, use the script in kernel-package |
| 21:58.47 | nsadmin | alesan, notice you have uuids referring to your swap and / partns |
| 21:59.14 | alesan | nsadmin, yes that's what I said before |
| 21:59.15 | nsadmin | since you have two different sticks, each will have different uuids |
| 21:59.20 | alesan | I am now changing to device names |
| 21:59.51 | Harvie | nsadmin: but where does the openvz patches come from? it used to be separate packages. now debian claims that it's included but i ca't find it |
| 21:59.53 | nsadmin | you're welcome to do that. you can also consider finding the uuids for the two partitions on the second stick |
| 22:00.00 | alesan | well |
| 22:00.12 | alesan | but then if I need to replicate the stick again it will be hell |
| 22:00.17 | Harvie | nsadmin: i want exactly same package as from repo, but with minor tweaking |
| 22:00.17 | nsadmin | in any case the device names will work |
| 22:00.28 | alesan | I do not see value in using UUIDs |
| 22:00.39 | alesan | (for this application) |
| 22:01.06 | nsadmin | and in so saying, you've considered it... which is all I was asking :) |
| 22:01.09 | alesan | ok I also had to do mkswap as I did not "format" the partition on the second stick |
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| 22:01.20 | alesan | ok |
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| 22:10.16 | nsadmin | Harvie, what's the uname -r of the kernel you want to replicate and then tweak? |
| 22:10.39 | Harvie | nsadmin: 2.6.32-5-openvz-686 |
| 22:11.52 | nsadmin | ok, what you want to do is look for the config file of that version in /boot and get the debianized source of the same version |
| 22:12.55 | Harvie | nsadmin: apt-get src linux-image-* ? |
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| 22:13.25 | Creteil | hi all |
| 22:13.37 | nsadmin | not exactly sure how to get the source |
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| 22:14.08 | Harvie | apt-get src gives me *orig.gz *asc and patches |
| 22:14.11 | nsadmin | but that might be one way if you have deb-src line in sources.list pointing at the appropriate repo |
| 22:14.26 | nsadmin | which you want if you want the same kernel |
| 22:15.07 | Creteil | I have added a new patch with quilt inside an existing package, but even I try to compile it with this new patch, I have this error : |
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| 22:17.05 | Creteil | Applying patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff |
| 22:17.07 | Creteil | patch: **** strip count ab is not a number |
| 22:17.08 | Creteil | Patch 01patch-2.6.28_atopcnt.diff does not apply (enforce with -f) |
| 22:17.10 | Creteil | make: *** [source-stamp] Error 1 |
| 22:17.11 | archman | is there a way to list all files installed with apt-get/aptitude/whatevermanager? (can I pass something to "dpkg -L" maybe to get this done)? |
| 22:17.11 | Creteil | Any idea ? |
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| 22:18.57 | harlan | I'm trying to upgrade a box running squeeze and the update manager says I have a duplicate entry for Status or Priority in /var/lib/dpkg/status (and sometimes /var/lib/dpkg/available). What's a good way to fix this? |
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| 22:20.48 | jhutchins_lt | Creteil: Try the patch manpage. |
| 22:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | You're giving it the wrong command. |
| 22:20.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | What package contains documentation for the list of kernel options for use in grub.cfg? |
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| 22:22.04 | jhutchins_lt | LinuxGuy2009: Not sure there is one. http://kernel.org |
| 22:22.09 | Creteil | jhutchins_lt, so why the patch apply properly ? |
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| 22:22.40 | Creteil | jhutchins_lt, so why the patch apply properly when I add it to the debian/patches directory with quilt ? |
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| 22:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | Creteil: If it applies properly what's the problem? |
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| 22:25.34 | Creteil | jhutchins_lt, wait one, trying with 'quilt refresh -p1' to see if it fix the problem ... |
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| 22:26.51 | Creteil | YEP !!! |
| 22:26.54 | Creteil | done ... |
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| 22:31.51 | Fudge | hi where can i find out about broken packages in testing? |
| 22:32.51 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 22:32.51 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 22:33.30 | Fudge | cool thanks, its for initramfs |
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| 22:34.17 | gnarface | ssh_config ForwardAgent yes: does this require ssh-agent running to work? |
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| 22:36.22 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 22:37.18 | benedikt | if i try to watch html5 videos on youtube (WebM im guessing) with iceweasel 5 (debian testing) but i just get a blank screen. Am i missing some package? |
| 22:37.30 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: of course there is one, in fact there are at least two.. heh.. |
| 22:37.40 | benedikt | wait, when did Iceweael turn into IceCat and doesn't iceweasel support webm? |
| 22:38.08 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: the linux kernel doc and source packages both contain Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt.gz |
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| 22:43.07 | jelly-home | !kernel |
| 22:43.09 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110829, linux-next: next-20110829, mainline 3: 3.1-rc4 , snapshot 3: 3.1-rc3-git7, stable 3.0: 3.0.4 , stable 2.6.39: 2.6.39.4 , stable 2.6.38: 2.6.38.8 , stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.6 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.14 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.10 , longterm 2.6.33: 2.6.33.19 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.46 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.59 |
| 22:43.14 | jelly-home | 3.0.4! |
| 22:43.41 | SushiDude | I am on 3.0.3 |
| 22:43.46 | jelly-home | OOOOOOLD |
| 22:43.57 | nvz | jelly-home: oh boy.. shiny new software |
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| 22:44.26 | SushiDude | You still run Linux 2.6, I run 3.0 your Linux sucks! =P |
| 22:44.35 | nvz | kernels aren't like oil in your car, you don't need to change it every 3k mi |
| 22:44.53 | SushiDude | But we can =p |
| 22:44.57 | SushiDude | =P ( |
| 22:44.59 | SushiDude | ahhg |
| 22:45.00 | SushiDude | * |
| 22:45.09 | nvz | usually isn't any wear and tear a SysRq can't solve.. heh |
| 22:45.25 | nvz | once read an artical about how to raise a skinny elephant |
| 22:45.35 | nvz | article even |
| 22:45.53 | nvz | I even type like a yinzer.. heh |
| 22:46.05 | nvz | !yinzersmite me |
| 22:46.05 | dpkg | nvz: yinz a jagoff |
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| 23:00.49 | harlan | Any ideas on how I can "rebuild" my dpkg files? I'm OK doing a reinstall of all of the existing packages... |
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| 23:13.31 | brontosaurusrex | generally speaking, is rolling distro a good choice for a server? |
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| 23:14.07 | simonlnu | what do you think? |
| 23:14.53 | brontosaurusrex | simonlnu, i ask |
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| 23:16.24 | Delf | if I have multiple internet connections, how do I choose which eth to ping from? |
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| 23:16.47 | tharkun | Delf: man ping ... man route |
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| 23:17.29 | Delf | ok, ping -I eth<number> |
| 23:17.33 | Delf | Thanks! :D |
| 23:17.42 | tharkun | !next |
| 23:17.42 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 23:18.01 | Delf | by default, which eth will be used for.. let's say transmision? |
| 23:18.56 | Delf | what is deciding which eth to use if the program doesn't have parameters like ping (-I) to specify eth. |
| 23:19.04 | tharkun | Delf: man route |
| 23:19.39 | tharkun | Delf: it will depend on the map the kernel has that is seen with the route command or the ip command |
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| 23:20.00 | tharkun | if there is a route defined it will take it else it will take the default gateway |
| 23:20.13 | Delf | is it possible to use two or more eth's simultaneously? |
| 23:21.16 | Delf | I need to read up on how route works. I'm too tired now thou. Thanks tharkun! |
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| 23:22.03 | jhutchins_lt | brontosaurusrex: no |
| 23:22.06 | tharkun | Delf: np and your answer is yes |
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| 23:30.15 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins_lt, since it my upgrade my php version and all the hell breaks? or... ? |
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| 23:40.24 | takahiro | anyone know where i can buy some apache support? |
| 23:40.43 | th0r | takahiro: #apache? |
| 23:40.52 | takahiro | th0r: nobody there is selling support |
| 23:41.07 | th0r | takahiro: well, what makes you think anyone here is? |
| 23:41.36 | takahiro | just hoping, i don't really think there's a high probablility |
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| 23:43.05 | yopiyoh | hi everybody |
| 23:43.11 | yopiyoh | i need help |
| 23:43.49 | jbeatty | yopiyoh: don't ask to ask, just ask |
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| 23:44.04 | yopiyoh | when i want to receive a mail with postfix from a gmail account (or other), i have relay access denied state 14 |
| 23:44.09 | yopiyoh | thanks jbeatty |
| 23:44.24 | yopiyoh | anybody knows how to "accept" the incoming mails ? |
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| 23:47.42 | kzman | hello, I recently installed a nvidia driver, and it worked well the first time (first reboot), but now I can't get resolutions over 800x600 |
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| 23:51.35 | pluc | You guys! |
| 23:51.42 | pluc | What is up with the apache2 layout. |
| 23:51.48 | pluc | That's why we can't have nice things. |
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| 23:55.38 | FDFlock | Quick networking question: I'm using SSH tunneling for secure browsing from my laptop (Firefox + SOCKS5). While it works fine with PuTTY from Windows, on Debian I'm randomly getting "The connection was reset" while browsing. sshd config seems OK, but once I get this error SSH tunneling stops working... |
| 23:55.44 | FDFlock | Restarting the SSH client does not help, so it might be a Firefox issue? (I've always believed that the Debian version of Firefox, aka Iceweasel, is cr@... ahem, less-than-ideal) |
| 23:55.59 | FDFlock | Anyone else with a similar setup? |
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| 23:57.06 | FDFlock | I must note that tunneling works fine at first (until the seemingly random "connection reset") |
| 23:57.26 | rypervenche | FDFlock: I do it from Debian Testing at work using chromium 13. No problems on my end. |
| 23:57.42 | FDFlock | rypervenche: Thanks! |
| 23:58.07 | rypervenche | FDFlock: Try using a different browser to see if that is what is causing the problem. |
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