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| 00:04.23 | f00li5h | hrm, |
| 00:04.32 | f00li5h | where would be a good place to find sizes of things? |
| 00:04.57 | f00li5h | i'm putting together some vm's and i've no idea what to do, and my estimates all make sense for the debian i installed before there were 7 dvd's ... |
| 00:05.00 | Vasistha | f00li5h: depends what think. |
| 00:05.19 | Vasistha | what "thing" |
| 00:06.02 | Vasistha | f00li5h: sizes of... packages? |
| 00:06.08 | f00li5h | yes. |
| 00:06.18 | f00li5h | previously i had one machine, with one disk. it's full |
| 00:06.23 | f00li5h | but i know that lots of it is cruft and backups |
| 00:06.37 | f00li5h | so questions like "what's a sensible size for apache2 + these N packages" |
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| 00:06.54 | Vasistha | f00li5h: ohh... after they've been extracted and set up and everything |
| 00:06.58 | f00li5h | and i suppose something for trickery too, like what i can do about cached packages, mounting them from a share, perhaps? |
| 00:08.08 | Vasistha | f00li5h: I created a trivial repo within my /var/cache/apt/archives folder which I can access from other machines |
| 00:08.25 | f00li5h | sounds like a good trick |
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| 00:08.40 | f00li5h | is there not a package for that? |
| 00:08.47 | f00li5h | apt proxy or somethign? |
| 00:09.01 | wols | f00li5h: several. approx, apt-cacher-ng, etc |
| 00:09.17 | f00li5h | wols: which is the least bad? |
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| 00:13.34 | Vasistha | f00li5h: http://david9.freepgs.com/bash/Archive-scan.sh |
| 00:15.39 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 00:17.30 | f00li5h | Vasistha: what's that do then? |
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| 00:18.43 | n0sq | is there a faster way to bring up a network interface when a user logs in? |
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| 00:19.04 | Vasistha | f00li5h: it scans all of the debs in your cache, and creates the Packages and Releases files to make that directory a deb repo that you can reference |
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| 00:19.24 | boudiccas | n0sq; faster than what? |
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| 00:20.36 | j-tizzle | after a recent reboot on my wheezy box the font on all of my gtk apps is bigger. my google-fu is failing; how do i adjust this system-wide? |
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| 00:23.44 | Bartzy | If I created a simple shell (in perl) for a user - the best place to put it is inside /bin/ ? |
| 00:24.18 | f00li5h | Bartzy: if it's just for one user, I would put it in ~/.bin and stick ~/.bin in his $PATH |
| 00:24.35 | Bartzy | f00li5h: And if it's for more than 1 ? |
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| 00:24.49 | f00li5h | i think /usr/local/bin ... maybe? |
| 00:24.50 | phogg | Bartzy: /usr/local/bin/ would be what I would choose, unless you have a separate /usr and need it on / for some reason |
| 00:24.57 | f00li5h | horray! validation! |
| 00:24.58 | n0sq | boudiccas: i want the network to come up before the browser comes up |
| 00:25.11 | Bartzy | phogg: and /usr/local/bin/ is in $PATH by default ? |
| 00:25.13 | phogg | f00li5h: what's ~/.bin/? |
| 00:25.33 | phogg | Bartzy: Perhaps, I don't recall. If not, add it. |
| 00:25.44 | f00li5h | phogg: it's a directory in your homedir, |
| 00:25.47 | f00li5h | it has no special meaning by default |
| 00:25.52 | phogg | f00li5h: I know you mean ~/bin/ |
| 00:25.55 | f00li5h | no. |
| 00:26.02 | f00li5h | i mean dot bin |
| 00:26.07 | f00li5h | so that it's not in my directory listing ;) |
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| 00:26.17 | phogg | f00li5h: I've never heard of such a thing |
| 00:26.27 | phogg | certainly it's not usual |
| 00:26.50 | phogg | f00li5h: at that point make a ~/.local/bin/ and replicate the entire hierarchy as needed |
| 00:26.50 | f00li5h | sticking things in $PATH is pretty normal |
| 00:26.58 | f00li5h | o_O |
| 00:27.01 | phogg | f00li5h: adding ~/bin is normal, ~/.bin is abnormal |
| 00:27.11 | f00li5h | why would I want a 'bin' in my listing? |
| 00:27.20 | phogg | f00li5h: ... |
| 00:27.23 | Vasistha | n0sq: how does the network usually come up? |
| 00:27.39 | f00li5h | hands phogg a wrong-on-the-internet |
| 00:28.17 | phogg | f00li5h: Tradition? Because that's the way it's always been done? Because that's what people generally expect? Hell, arrange your own system however you fancy. I don't think suggesting ~/.bin/ as the location someone else should use is very good. |
| 00:28.51 | phogg | f00li5h: as long as you are aware you're weird I think there's no problem |
| 00:28.53 | f00li5h | phogg: unix looks for shit in $PATH, |
| 00:28.56 | f00li5h | so the user shold too. |
| 00:29.03 | f00li5h | if he gets confused, which foo will tell him |
| 00:29.20 | f00li5h | anyway, that's why I said "I would" rather than "everyone would" |
| 00:29.43 | phogg | f00li5h: I take your meaning. I believe we have arrived at perfect understanding and need say nothing further. |
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| 00:41.17 | Bartzy | What's the difference between /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin ? |
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| 00:42.16 | karlpinc | !fhs |
| 00:42.16 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 00:42.39 | karlpinc | Bartzy: See the fhs (above). Not much these days. |
| 00:42.53 | Bartzy | karlpinc: I have a script that needs to be in $PATH |
| 00:43.12 | Bartzy | If I want to be anal, is it best to copy it to /usr/local/bin/ ? |
| 00:43.20 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Yes. |
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| 00:43.34 | Bartzy | karlpinc: Because it didn't came from a package ? |
| 00:43.44 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Yes.; |
| 00:44.07 | karlpinc | Bartzy: See /etc/login.defs for where the path "originates", if that can be said. |
| 00:44.39 | karlpinc | Bartzy: You could make a package if you care to, and it's _always_ a good idea to learn about packaging becuase it makes your life easier. But, nothing wrong with /usr/local/bin. |
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| 00:45.53 | karlpinc | Bartzy: See also the <stow> factoid, for a way to fake things. (But that's more if you've a complicated 3rd party tarball to install. It makes more sense to learn packaging.) |
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| 00:46.40 | Bartzy | !stow |
| 00:46.41 | dpkg | i heard stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
| 00:46.56 | Bartzy | !stow usage |
| 00:46.56 | dpkg | A quick intro to <stow>: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. See also <usrlocal>. |
| 00:47.11 | Bartzy | Yeah, packaging is much nicer :) |
| 00:47.16 | karlpinc | So, I'm writing random numbers to a drive to initialize it for crypto. I'm using /dev/urandom. If I've multiple cores are they automatically utilized? I don't want to interrupt my current dd, because it's been running for a while, just to test. |
| 00:47.23 | karlpinc | !tell Bartzy about selftell |
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| 00:48.58 | karlpinc | I _could_ startup multiple dd processes if that will make better use of the multiple cores.... Should I interrupt my dd and start over or not? |
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| 00:53.39 | nsadmin | so stow uses /usr/local/stow as its base location? |
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| 00:54.52 | nsadmin | !usrlocal |
| 00:54.52 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb> |
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| 00:57.16 | ambr | Do mod_rewrite rules in /etc/apache2/conf.d/xxx not affect all virtualhosts? I've added a rule in there, and it doesn't work, but when I manually add it to a virtualhost it works fine |
| 00:57.45 | nsadmin | what's xxx |
| 00:57.58 | nsadmin | and, #httpd is additional info source |
| 00:57.59 | ambr | xxx is any filename.. in this case, scripts.conf |
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| 00:59.03 | nsadmin | one thing would help clarity, what exactly do you want? |
| 00:59.25 | ambr | I want to send a 403 to any request on any virtualhost for a file ending in setup.php |
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| 01:00.55 | nsadmin | and, you say adding a rule manually to (what?) of individual virtual hosts has the effect you want for that virtual host? |
| 01:01.53 | ambr | Adding this: RewriteRule setup\.php$ - [F] to a single virtualhost works fine. But adding it (and RewriteEngine on) to a file in conf.d doesn't do what I thought it would, and apply this rule to all virtualhosts |
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| 01:03.29 | Bartzy | I'm trying to login with a key via SSH, and I get a password prompt. |
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| 01:03.50 | Bartzy | I've put the public key in authorized keys on the other server user .ssh/ directory... |
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| 01:04.26 | max_sharpe | Wouldnt you still need to log in? |
| 01:04.45 | rudi_s | Bartzy: Check permissions, /etc/ssh/ssh_config ~/.ssh/config on localhost and /etc/sshd_config on the server to see if it supports keybased logins. |
| 01:05.07 | Bartzy | rudi_s: PubkeyAuthentication yes |
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| 01:05.31 | ambr | Bartzy: try using 'ssh -v -v -v' and see what the debug info says about why it won't try key auth |
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| 01:05.40 | rudi_s | -vvv |
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| 01:15.31 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: ssh-copy-id |
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| 01:26.00 | Onryo | How do I see if the squashfs-module supports LZMA ? |
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| 01:26.48 | rypervenche | What's the best way to remote assist to a Windows 7 machine from Debian Testing? |
| 01:27.04 | rypervenche | TeamViewer is no longer usable without the paid version. |
| 01:27.35 | Onryo | rypervenche, Remmina |
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| 01:28.19 | sweetandy | This is so cool; I made a post on a local neighborhood blog forum about wanting to take old unused computers off peoples' hands for them, and bam! Looks like I'm going to have some computers to help me help the Debian project |
| 01:28.40 | sweetandy | woot woot bug squashin' |
| 01:28.51 | jhutchins_lt | rypervenche: rdesktop |
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| 01:29.58 | Onryo | jhujhiti, you really thing rdesktop is better then Remmina? Maybe Ill give it a spin. |
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| 01:30.49 | rypervenche | How about Linux to Linux? What would be the best tool for that? |
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| 01:31.56 | mosno | sweetandy, hmm, that's probably a good idea -- i'd imagine many people are throwing out perfectly capable hardware |
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| 01:32.16 | sweetandy | My thoughts exactly! Put it to some use. |
| 01:32.17 | mosno | sweetandy, do you have a minimum spec that you take? how do you dump ones you pick up and don't want? |
| 01:32.34 | sweetandy | mosno, In my state, computers can be recycled for free at various locations |
| 01:32.37 | sweetandy | so I can just take them there |
| 01:32.41 | mosno | sweetandy, nice |
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| 01:32.47 | sweetandy | (if they don't turn on, or are burnt) |
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| 01:32.58 | mosno | sweetandy, what's the beefiest system you've got through this scheme? |
| 01:33.22 | sweetandy | mosno, I made the post an hour ago and have had two responses from people ready to unload some hardware... no actual machines acquired yet |
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| 01:33.55 | sweetandy | I can always slide some extra RAM sticks in or replace various faulty cards from supplies I have lying around |
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| 01:34.08 | rypervenche | Onryo: Does the windows side have to download remmina as well or do they use the Windows RDP? |
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| 01:34.49 | Onryo | rypervenche, nope, my mother uses Vista and Windows 7. I help her out all the time. |
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| 01:35.26 | rypervenche | Onryo: So what exactly do they have to do on their end for me to get started helping them? (and I suppose my next question would be for Linux users) |
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| 01:35.53 | Onryo | rypervenche, You need to ask them for there ip |
| 01:36.11 | rypervenche | Onryo: That's all I need? They don't need to start anything on their end? |
| 01:36.31 | Onryo | rypervenche, and they will get a "so and so wants to connect do you want to allow" |
| 01:37.02 | rypervenche | Great. Thank you. |
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| 01:37.23 | rypervenche | And for Linux to Linux, would I use the VNC protocol within remmina? |
| 01:37.27 | Onryo | rypervenche, yup I quite like it, but I would like it more if my mom dumped Windows |
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| 01:38.01 | rypervenche | I hear ya. I forced Mint on my sister. She doesn't notice the difference except she's not constantly asking me how to fix things :) |
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| 01:38.19 | Onryo | rypervenche, Not sure, I always ssh but I think you can set remmina up to do that with a GUI. |
| 01:39.01 | rypervenche | Well, it would be more for helping newbies in #ubuntu. I'd like something quick and painless for them. |
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| 01:40.07 | Onryo | rypervenche, its a really easy program to set up. Been a while but I can jump in and take a quick look. |
| 01:40.23 | Rockj | Hey. Anyone know's if I can install sympa without having debian to insert mysql-* packages it depends on? I want to use postgres . |
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| 01:42.22 | rypervenche | Onryo: Would I have to do any port forwarding for either Linux to Windows or Linux to Linux using Remmina? |
| 01:46.20 | Onryo | rypervenche, all your linux friends have to do is go into System -> Remote Desktop Client - Then click "Allows others users to view your desktop" They set a pw and give it to you. |
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| 01:47.15 | rypervenche | Onryo: If they're on Gnome :/ I've got Xfce |
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| 01:49.25 | Onryo | rypervenche, Not sure they are but I would think you have them. If not you can get them for your system I would think. |
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| 01:51.16 | DasEi | Is there a similar app to ubuntu's gnome-volume-control ? I'm looking for an gui that let me controll which app is doing sound, like vlc and a browser open, so I can switch it on and off |
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| 01:53.06 | Rockj | Q: when apt-cache depends sympa shows that it recommends mysql-server, how can I force it to ignore it and pick the next logical one? (in this case, postgresql) |
| 01:53.49 | zykotick9 | DasEi, to have application specific volume controls you'd need to add pulseaudio, ALSA doesn't have that fine grained control i'm afraid |
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| 01:54.58 | Onryo | I know my kernel supports mksquashfs but I am not sure how to check if it supports mksquashfs+lzma. Anybody know how to check that? |
| 01:54.58 | DasEi | zykotick9: I see, I'll go after that, though my default sound plays parallell sounds, it's just I found no way to control it |
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| 01:58.08 | siefca | re |
| 02:01.40 | karlpinc | rypervenche: I prefer x11vnc on the remote end with vncviewer on the local end, all tunneled through ssh. (You could use openvpn if you prefer, but a ssh tunnel/autologin is easier to setup.) |
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| 02:02.34 | siefca | i'm wondering.. is there any mount switch to force vfs treat some user as root? |
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| 02:02.55 | siefca | i mean something like uid=xxxx in case of FAT mounts |
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| 02:04.27 | rypervenche | Oooh, so I have to have some sort of VNC running on the remote end, and then a client to go through on the local end... so for a beginner...hmmm |
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| 02:07.29 | karlpinc | rypervenche: Let me send you a link. |
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| 02:15.07 | karlpinc | rypervenche: http://paste.debian.net/127917/ |
| 02:17.28 | karlpinc | rypervenche: (You may wish to try to understand what the script is doing, or not.) Basically, it ssh-s to the remote box, logging in without a password using a public key generated with "ssh-keygen x11vnc". At the remote end the vnc server is started automatically and at the local end the client starts the vncviewer. |
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| 02:18.09 | karlpinc | rypervenche: What's not in the paste is using ssh-keygen to make the key (and that the key is called ~/.ssh/x11vnc). |
| 02:19.59 | jhutchins_lt | ssh-copy-id |
| 02:20.31 | karlpinc | rypervenche: If the script was better it'd take a username, a hostname, and an identity (public key) so it could connect to any user@host with any identity. (I'm not sure you'd want more than one identity --- one that starts up the x11vnc session.) |
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| 02:20.42 | NekawA_ | i've got an issue thats really bugging me here - i'm trying to change the port in vino so its not on the default 5900 |
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| 02:20.55 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Near as I can tell ssh-copy-id won't setup the command that starts the vnc server at the remote end. |
| 02:21.02 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Right? |
| 02:21.13 | jhutchins_lt | Um. |
| 02:21.16 | NekawA_ | vino isn't accepting the settings in gconf-editor under /desktop/gnome/remote_access..all the keys do say 'no schemea' not sure what that means |
| 02:21.17 | boudiccas | NekawA_; in vino? you mean 'in wine'? |
| 02:21.27 | rypervenche | karlpinc: Thank you very much. |
| 02:21.41 | karlpinc | rypervenche: It's nice to work from an example. |
| 02:23.03 | NekawA_ | lol someone said that earlier too boudiccas no wine, running xfce just want vnc access |
| 02:23.05 | karlpinc | rypervenche: It's also nice to use ssh-copy-id so that you can login to the remote host with ssh without a password and get a command line and do as you please. (Usually, you'd 'su' and be root so you could fix the remote box.) |
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| 02:23.40 | karlpinc | rypervenche: That's not directly related to running x11vnc and seeing the remote user's desktop. |
| 02:23.41 | boudiccas | NekawA_; ah right :) |
| 02:24.15 | rypervenche | karlpinc: But very useful if I want to be secure. Using SSH will be slower, will it not? I know using ssh -X is very slow. I suppose it's different? |
| 02:24.26 | karlpinc | credits jhutchins_lt for pushing ssh-copy-id, which is handy, because I'd always done it manually. |
| 02:25.44 | karlpinc | rypervenche: ssh is not what slows things down. What slows things down is the graphics. X11vnc has various tweaks you can use to, say, cut down the color space so less info is transmitted. That's if you don't want to rely on the automatic adjustments it makes to save bandwidth. |
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| 02:26.04 | karlpinc | rypervenche: In other words, the limiting factor is almost always bandwidth. |
| 02:26.45 | rypervenche | Ahh, I see. Good to know. I'll play around with it then :) |
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| 02:27.44 | karlpinc | rypervenche: And vnc is supposed to be able to adjust for bandwidth. Nx is supposed to be better/make better use of bandwidth, but is partially non-free and therefore sort of a pain. |
| 02:28.54 | NekawA_ | i know someone else has had this problem, it worked fine when i did it on stable (squeeze) last week, after installing this new system on wheezy it seems to be not working |
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| 02:29.13 | un214 | I got good results from the remote desktop server equiv. (I forget the name) |
| 02:29.52 | karlpinc | rypervenche: Note that the remote end has an IP that changes, so that the "remotehost" changes. What I do is setup the remote end to connect to me with an Openvpn connection (one that does not actually encrypt if I really care). Then I can always connect to the remote end over the vpn. But that's only possible because my end has a fixed IP. (I suppose I could get around this by using dyndns if I had to.) |
| 02:30.07 | karlpinc | un214: rdesktop? |
| 02:30.14 | un214 | server, not client |
| 02:30.27 | Dewi | un214: there's an RDP server? |
| 02:30.30 | un214 | there is |
| 02:30.36 | un214 | a subpackage is sessman-Xvnc |
| 02:31.23 | karlpinc | rypervenche: In other words, I don't have to ask my mom for her IP. |
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| 02:35.20 | karlpinc | rypervenche: Whoops, the "waiting for x11vnc to start" part of the script assumes that you've setup ssh to allow you to login and run arbitrary commands without a password. (I did this instead of just waiting for a bit with "sleep" to be fancy.) So, there's another dependency there. Sorry. |
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| 02:35.41 | un214 | haha |
| 02:36.38 | OldParr | after upgrading from fully updated lenny to squeeze machine does not starts it just shows this screen http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/pic0011wj.jpg/ and after that reboots, it receives no boot options from keyboard, i tried fsck -r over all linux partitions, update-initramfs, the devices were not renamed during the upgrading (i checked that too), i erased a directory called /dev/.udev none of these attempts were succesful. |
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| 02:38.11 | somiaj | OldParr: at this point why not just reinstall it may be a more productive use of your time -- though you will want to back up any data/config files from the hd first. |
| 02:40.20 | karlpinc | OldParr: If you failed to follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes then read them over and try to recover by re-following them. In particular, manually install the new kernel and the new udev. You will almost surely need to boot from a live cd (debian install cd in rescue mode is good and will automatically mount your root fs for you and chroot) and then chroot into your filesystem in order to install the newer kernel and the newer udev. Reb |
| 02:41.22 | karlpinc | OldParr: Don't forget to mount /boot and possibly other partitions after chooting and before installing the new kernel/udev. |
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| 02:42.21 | OldParr | karlpinc: can i make that rescue attempt from a fedora live CD ? |
| 02:42.50 | karlpinc | OldParr: I suspect so. But you will probably have to mount the root fs and chroot into it yourself. |
| 02:43.49 | karlpinc | OldParr: I don't see why not, but then perhaps kernel versions could cause problems with the userspace in the chroot. Or not. I'm unclear on when/why this matters. |
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| 02:44.37 | OldParr | karlpinc: do you mean a bind mount of /proc and /dev and /sys ? i tried that too ... |
| 02:44.39 | karlpinc | OldParr: But it clearly does matter because it's exactly this sort of discrepency that's giving you problems right now. |
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| 02:45.06 | karlpinc | OldParr: No. Just "mount /dev/myrootfspartition /mnt; chroot /mnt". |
| 02:45.21 | OldParr | taht is esay, wait ... |
| 02:47.16 | karlpinc | OldParr: But then I could be wrong and some stuff in /dev or /proc or /sys or some such is needed by apt in order to install the kernel and udev. There might be problems using the network to get the required packages.... |
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| 02:49.15 | OldParr | karlpinc: http://paste.debian.net/127919/ |
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| 02:51.23 | un214 | I hope they don't plan on obsoleting lilo anytime soon |
| 02:51.24 | frewsxcv | a rather random question i've always had about debian based systems. with arch linux, there's a DAEMONS array that autostarts whatever i want it to. how does debian determine what autostarts? how can i change this? |
| 02:52.07 | karlpinc | OldParr: Ok. So, sda2 is your root partition, and you're in. So now do a "mount -a" to mount /boot and all that and try to use apt-get to install the kernel and udev packages as documented in the release notes. |
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| 02:54.19 | karlpinc | frewsxcv: A couple of answers. Often there's stuff in /etc/default/ that controls the daemon. Type "/msg dpkg readme.debian" in your irc client for more info. Otherwise there's stuff in /etc/rc2.d/ to control what starts at the default runlevel of 2. Use update-rc.d to disable, or just frob the link from a K to and S and back and run insserv afterwords. |
| 02:55.26 | karlpinc | un214: So long as there's a maintainer the packages just keep going. (Although often there also needs to be somebody working upstream too or you get bitrot.) |
| 02:55.52 | un214 | bitrot will not affect me. I can just gcc -static the last working version from a vm |
| 02:56.15 | un214 | UUIDs are unstable in my environment while /dev/sdxy are not |
| 02:56.22 | karlpinc | frewsxcv: insserv is now the default sysV startup tool. You can use others. |
| 02:56.42 | karlpinc | un214: I often prefer disk labels, which are stable. |
| 02:57.07 | un214 | never tried it |
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| 02:57.23 | karlpinc | un214: Well, they're easier to type than uuids. ;-) |
| 02:57.28 | un214 | I'll bet |
| 02:57.57 | un214 | but if UUIDs are unstable than what does that make labels? |
| 02:58.19 | karlpinc | un214: Labels are part of the fs. If they're not stable then neither is your data. |
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| 02:58.56 | un214 | the most common destabilization is replace disk and copy data with tar | tar |
| 02:59.10 | OldParr | karlpinc: can i use just "apt-get upgrade" to install the kernel and the the udev packages ? |
| 02:59.22 | un214 | funny how that tends to preserve /dev/sdxy addresses |
| 02:59.24 | karlpinc | un214: (The PCI spec says that device discovery is unstable, hence the reluctance to rely on the order in which the kernel detects the devices.) |
| 02:59.32 | somiaj | I thought UUIDs were encoded in the hardware, guess I was mistaken. |
| 02:59.45 | un214 | ah right |
| 03:00.06 | un214 | guess it helps that I have only one sata endpoint with six ports |
| 03:00.24 | karlpinc | OldParr: No. You must use "apt-get upgrade linux-image-...." and install the version of the kernel you want using it's exact name so that a minimum of dependent packages are pulled in. Likewise with udev. As the release notes say. |
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| 03:00.46 | karlpinc | somiaj: They are in the partition table. |
| 03:01.05 | un214 | anyway labels would be stable because they're manually set so I could clone them |
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| 03:01.40 | karlpinc | un214: Right. It's _good_ that you can have collisions in the namespace. (sometimes ;) |
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| 03:03.18 | karlpinc | OldParr: See the summary of the upgrade process in the dpkg factoid. (Note that all the fancy $() scripting may not find the right "flavor" of kernel because you're running a kernel from your live cd.) |
| 03:03.25 | karlpinc | !tell OldParr about lenny->squeeze |
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| 03:03.46 | un214 | anyway I quit GRUB not because of UUIDs (that could be fixed by rebuilding boot sequence when necessary) but because I got tired of editing the generated files after every boot |
| 03:04.06 | un214 | the generator would always spew the wrong thing |
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| 03:04.20 | karlpinc | un214: I see. I think using labels for everything would solve that. |
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| 03:05.28 | un214 | "Son: why does the move from east to west? Programmer dad: it works. Don't change." |
| 03:05.45 | un214 | I'll try labels next time I need to adjust something |
| 03:05.51 | karlpinc | un214: Right. |
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| 03:07.57 | karlpinc | un214: Sometimes you need to change, but it's a pain. I'm finding that I need to have my monitor plugged in after upgrading to squeeze or gdm will bitch and hang the boot process waiting for input. :-( I'm sorta dreading trying to poke gdm3 with a stick. I need something that does xdmc or I'd just use slim. |
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| 03:08.22 | un214 | tried kdm? |
| 03:08.37 | OldParr | karlpinc: i found a lot of kernels ---> http://paste.debian.net/127922/ this seems to be my haardware --> http://paste.debian.net/127923/ |
| 03:09.34 | karlpinc | un214: Last time I tried it I couldn't get it to do xdmc. |
| 03:09.44 | un214 | :( |
| 03:10.19 | karlpinc | OldParr: Yes, there are lots of kernels. Look in your /boot and see what you had installed and pick something similar for your upgrade. |
| 03:11.09 | un214 | I suppose you could tell gdm to use xdmc but not manage the local console |
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| 03:12.03 | ivan_ | ok lol im so confused with package manager |
| 03:12.13 | karlpinc | OldParr: You've got linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 installed. That's probably what you want. Try installing udev. |
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| 03:12.31 | ivan_ | are files supposed to be available at packages.debian.org but not obtainable through apt-get? |
| 03:12.44 | larrikin | can anyone tell me the likely cause of '..libgdk-3.so.0: Undefined symbol: XIQueryVersion' when running a gnome app e.g. eog ? I've totally tried reinstalling gtk3/gail3 etc with no success |
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| 03:13.52 | karlpinc | OldParr: "apt-get install udev" should do it. After that it wouldn't hurt to run "update-initramfs -u", although then again maybe that'd be unwise because you don't have a real /dev in your chroot. |
| 03:14.48 | un214 | ah |
| 03:14.52 | karlpinc | OldParr: I notice that you have linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 installed. You might not need the live cd after all. You might be able to select that kernel when booting and then install udev. |
| 03:15.13 | ivan_ | so im trying to get chm viewer installed but apt-cache search gnochm doesnt find anything.. do I have to manually download from the site along with whatever other packages gnochm depends on? |
| 03:15.28 | karlpinc | ivan_: No, but sometimes it takes time for mirrors to update. |
| 03:15.29 | un214 | karlpinc: I keep my real /dev populated for just such an emergency |
| 03:16.12 | OldParr | karlpinc: i have two kernels installed but none of it boots it always leads me to that screen in the picture ... |
| 03:16.34 | un214 | have you tried init=/bin/sh from the bootloader yet? |
| 03:16.39 | ivan_ | karlpinc: elaborate? |
| 03:16.51 | karlpinc | ivan_: Your apt is only going to give you the choices that will work with your version of debian, as defined by sources.list and what you've enabled there. Type "/msg dpkg overview" into your irc client for a url with more info. |
| 03:17.41 | ivan_ | ah, lol so a lot of stuff isnt available for squeeze yet? |
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| 03:18.22 | ivan_ | basically its better to wait kk thanks |
| 03:18.49 | karlpinc | OldParr: :-( Ok, Then you've no choice but to try to install udev when booted from the live cd. At some point things are going to get tricky with your initramfs. Running "update-initramfs -u" usually fixes things, but that does stuff automatically based on your current kernel. You may need to read the update-initramfs man page and call it with speical options to get it to work in the chroot, or outside the chroot, or somewhere. |
| 03:19.04 | karlpinc | !tell ivan_ about sns |
| 03:19.32 | karlpinc | ivan_: Waiting is usually the right option, unless you find what you want in backports. |
| 03:20.11 | karlpinc | OldParr: The release notes may have instructions on how to recover when you're in your situation. It tends to have hints like that. |
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| 03:20.33 | ivan_ | how long does it take for a stable release to actually become stable T_T |
| 03:20.43 | OldParr | karlpinc: i am going to read the release notes |
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| 03:21.09 | karlpinc | OldParr: You won't need to read the whole thing, but you will want to search carefully. |
| 03:21.14 | un214 | ivan_: since when you do a clean install |
| 03:21.20 | karlpinc | !tell ivan_ about release history |
| 03:21.37 | karlpinc | ivan_: Around every 2.5 years. |
| 03:22.20 | ivan_ | yeah just cleared my whole laptop, used to have windows and some old old version of ubuntu |
| 03:23.08 | karlpinc | !tell ivan_ about guess the release date |
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| 03:24.12 | ivan_ | karlpinc: I havent used irc in a while and just got irssi on up on this os, either idk what !tell means or !tell doesnt work on here |
| 03:24.49 | OldParr | 64 bit AMD 64, is the same than i686 ? |
| 03:25.13 | ivan_ | anyone want to tell me what !tell does.. |
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| 03:25.58 | somiaj | ivan_: /msg dpkg tell |
| 03:26.09 | karlpinc | ivan_: You must use ctrl-p to see the messages from the bot. (it cycles). See also ttp://paste.debian.net/127925/ |
| 03:26.36 | somiaj | ivan_: also you just /msg dpkg to avoid putting lots of spam in teh channel |
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| 03:27.17 | karlpinc | somiaj: He's having problems with his irc client. irssi is cool, and a total pain to configure because you have to understand the irc protocol and attendant vocabulary, which I have no interest in. |
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| 03:27.49 | somiaj | karlpinc: hmm, irssi defaults work just fine for me, I think I did two things to it in the 10 years I've used it. |
| 03:28.04 | somiaj | hilight my nick and autoconnect/idenitify |
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| 03:28.40 | karlpinc | somiaj: My install won't show me /msg output except in another "window-something-ish". |
| 03:28.58 | karlpinc | somiaj: Maybe it used to have saner defaults. |
| 03:28.59 | somiaj | karlpinc: alt-p alt-n to cycle though the windows |
| 03:29.06 | somiaj | karlpinc: na I like /msg in another window |
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| 03:29.32 | jetscreamer | some ppl like to use the mouse |
| 03:30.07 | somiaj | though I'm in 4 channels, it could be a pain if you want tons of channels and messages |
| 03:30.12 | karlpinc | somiaj: Sure, but how would anybody know that that's needed? |
| 03:30.18 | OldParr | if the machine is i686 do i must read the amd 64 release notes? |
| 03:30.34 | jetscreamer | i'm only in about 30 |
| 03:30.34 | larrikin | You can search bug reports using our HyperEstraier based search engine. (http://bugs.debian.org - broken link to /cgi-bin/search.cgi) |
| 03:30.45 | karlpinc | somiaj: I want my emacs keybindigs to work. Having to move my hand off the keboard to press page-up/page-down is awful. |
| 03:30.57 | ivan_ | okay thanks for the help karlpinc youre a doll |
| 03:31.30 | karlpinc | OldParr: No, amd64 is 64 bit. You want i386, that's for 32 bit traditional intel architecture. |
| 03:31.42 | somiaj | karlpinc: have ya checked the irssi plugins for that. But yea figuring things out just took me a bit of time...but I don't rember it being frustrating. |
| 03:32.07 | OldParr | the machine is i686 ... |
| 03:32.15 | karlpinc | somiaj: It's only frustrating because I really don't give a shit about irc. I want some basic communications. |
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| 03:32.48 | karlpinc | !tell OldParr about i386 |
| 03:32.59 | jetscreamer | i686 and i386 can be confusing... you want i386 for 32bit |
| 03:33.16 | karlpinc | !tell OldParr about why amd64 |
| 03:33.27 | jetscreamer | and amd64 doesn't mean amd |
| 03:33.28 | somiaj | OldParr: except for a few packages you can get optimized for i586 or i686, everyont is compiled against the base i386 instruction set. |
| 03:33.46 | Rockj | is there a nice way to bypass this bug somehow when install sympa? http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-sympa-devel/2010-November/000077.html |
| 03:33.58 | Rockj | this issue still remains at the current package in squeeze. |
| 03:34.02 | karlpinc | somiaj: Technically, the 486 instruction set. The 386 is no longer supported. |
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| 03:34.17 | somiaj | karlpinc: ahh, just keep the traditional name then? |
| 03:34.50 | karlpinc | somiaj: Right. |
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| 03:35.55 | karlpinc | Rockj: Look up bug #587154 in the bug tracking system. |
| 03:36.40 | un214 | no linux for i286 |
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| 03:37.15 | karlpinc | un214: I think somebody made something work-ish, once upon a time. But why? There's no hardwar support for VM. |
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| 03:39.36 | un214 | actually yes there is. OS2 used it |
| 03:39.40 | karlpinc | OldParr: The other thing to try is to come back here during USA office hours when you may find people who really know their stuff. |
| 03:39.41 | Rockj | karlpinc: finally, omg! |
| 03:39.50 | Rockj | karlpinc: what a pichy hell that pacakage is ... |
| 03:39.56 | Rockj | (sorry for swearing ) |
| 03:40.18 | karlpinc | Rockj: Swearing is allowed. We prefer good grammer though. |
| 03:40.20 | OldParr | karlpinc: what time is it there? |
| 03:40.45 | karlpinc | OldParr: Around utc -5. |
| 03:41.06 | karlpinc | Rockj: :-) |
| 03:41.16 | un214 | it's probably not a good idea for me to curse because it just might be effective |
| 03:41.17 | OldParr | here is -4.5 |
| 03:41.35 | karlpinc | Rockj: But the fix may not be in squeeze. See the <ssb> and <backports> factoids. (or <overview>) |
| 03:41.37 | un214 | PDT here |
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| 03:42.51 | karlpinc | !tell Rockj about stable |
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| 03:45.25 | Rockj | karlpinc: anyhow, now it's time for some dedicated sleep :-) |
| 03:45.59 | OldParr | karlpinci found something very similar to your advices here --> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev it talks about kernel and udev upgrading |
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| 03:48.44 | karlpinc | OldParr: Right. That's the part of the upgrade process (as described in chapter 4) that you didn't do correctly. Now, how to recover? If you can get the new kernel and the new udev installed then the system should boot again and you should be in a position to make sure everything else upgrades properly. Chapter 5 is "what happens when I do it wrong" and may have some helpful hints. |
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| 03:51.11 | OldParr | karlpinc: how do i disable the option CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED in the kernel ? |
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| 03:52.18 | karlpinc | OldParr: Now, I think that what's going on is that you've the right kernel installed (and I'm guessing the right udev, but you've never said what version you have installed). What's not right is the initramfs. Maybe there's a generic one you can steal from, say, a squeeze debian-live cd. Actaully, it seems to me that you could run "update-initramfs -u" from a squeeze debian live cd and then copy the resulting initramfs into your /boot. (Being sure to s |
| 03:53.17 | karlpinc | OldParr: I don't believe mucking with CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECIATED is the right approach. (I could always be wrong.) |
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| 03:54.26 | karlpinc | OldParr: Once you get your box booted, run "update-initramfs -u" to recreate your initramfs in your actual environment. (Save the one you used to boot!) Then you should be bootable and able to proceed. |
| 03:55.47 | OldParr | that matter of copying the initramfs sounds interesting, let's try that tomorrow ... |
| 03:56.30 | karlpinc | OldParr: (To muck with CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECIATED you'd have to compile your own kernel, but it's not clear that that would even run -- not clear to me.) |
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| 03:56.55 | karlpinc | OldParr: Like I said. You could try the experts during the "day". |
| 03:56.58 | un214 | it gets to the point of mounting / readonly right? |
| 03:57.48 | un214 | oh yes I fixed a similar problem by spawning a subshell inside the initrd just before spawning the real init |
| 03:57.58 | karlpinc | un214: I don't think so. I forget. He had some images yesterday. It almost mounts.... IIRC. |
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| 04:03.00 | OldParr | karlpinc: some dy i will compile a deprecated kernel ! |
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| 04:41.58 | Karen_m | i put the settings the isp gave me into the /etc/network/interfaces, and ipv6 still does not work. Anyone able to let me cut/paste the ip settings to them and make sure i have the correct settings specified? |
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| 04:59.43 | egoproctor | I have a box with two hard drives, one is an SSD the other is a regular hdd. The only thing on the HDD currently is the boot partition. There is still nearly 500 gigs of unallocated space on it. what is the best way to turn it into ext4 storage? Should I just create the space as ext4, mnt it to something like /mnt/storage and add that to my fstab? |
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| 05:01.16 | archetech | yup if you dont want to share it out |
| 05:01.48 | egoproctor | archetech: share it out? you mean like making it a part of the home partition as LVM? |
| 05:02.04 | archetech | no like samba |
| 05:02.04 | egoproctor | or share as in across a network? |
| 05:02.04 | egoproctor | ok |
| 05:02.12 | egoproctor | and If I did want to share it? |
| 05:02.19 | archetech | then samba |
| 05:02.47 | egoproctor | ok so I can install samba, but how does that affect how I partition and mount the drive space? |
| 05:02.57 | archetech | same |
| 05:03.07 | archetech | format then share |
| 05:03.12 | egoproctor | archetech: ok thanks. |
| 05:03.15 | archetech | np |
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| 05:04.10 | egoproctor | I created the dir /mnt/storage and used gparted to allocate the space with the label /mnt/storage. Will I still need to edit the fstab? or will gparted take care of that for me? |
| 05:04.57 | archetech | fstab makes it permanent |
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| 05:12.03 | egoproctor | thanks again archetech. Hopefully by the end of September I will be on my way toward understanding Linux a bit more intimately. I am starting to read the debian harden-doc. I think I can get it under my belt in a couple of weeks, but we will see. |
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| 05:14.06 | archetech | yup me too still a noob |
| 05:14.47 | egoproctor | this is pretty exciting. |
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| 05:17.28 | DasEi | zykotick9: still around ? |
| 05:18.37 | zykotick9 | DasEi, ya, what's up? |
| 05:18.38 | DasEi | zykotick9: FYI, the gnome-volume-control is hidden in the metapacket gnome-media |
| 05:19.30 | DasEi | .. with a bunch more usefull stuff concerning audio, not default in debian |
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| 05:22.15 | zykotick9 | DasEi, how in the world did you install gnome (or did you not)? as gnome-media is in the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage |
| 05:23.04 | DasEi | zykotick9: ah, I see, I build up from headless, that's why, was a server before |
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| 05:23.18 | wobblyonions | running Debian is it possible to get a server setup the exact way that I want it and then create an installable ISO image of this for mass deployment etc |
| 05:23.49 | DasEi | wobblyonions: yes, it is, you can do a custom cd |
| 05:24.09 | wobblyonions | DasEi can you point me to how to do that |
| 05:24.18 | wobblyonions | is there a a package for it etc? |
| 05:25.22 | DasEi | wobblyonions: http://tinyurl.com/3ftqrfw |
| 05:25.55 | zykotick9 | DasEi, do I recognize your nick from #ubuntu? |
| 05:26.12 | DasEi | zykotick9: yes, unityrefugee |
| 05:26.25 | zykotick9 | DasEi, :) join the club, me too |
| 05:26.52 | zykotick9 | Debian the cure for UbuFlu |
| 05:26.56 | DasEi | zykotick9: ot here, I feel sorry, maybe lubuntu will be another home |
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| 05:33.02 | quint | how can i forward a graphical application over ssh ? |
| 05:33.12 | quint | to a windows machine using putty |
| 05:33.56 | nevyn | quint: install Xming |
| 05:34.33 | nevyn | then configure putty <=> xming and just run the application |
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| 05:34.52 | DasEi | quint: ssh -X , and you have to allow it in the servers ssh config |
| 05:35.19 | quint | thanks :) |
| 05:36.39 | nevyn | DasEi: 15:33 < quint> to a windows machine using putty |
| 05:36.56 | DasEi | nevyn: ah, thanks |
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| 05:38.16 | DasEi | quint: follow nevy... then, I assumed ssh between linux boxes |
| 05:39.29 | c0dyhi11 | Hello. I have kernel version 2.6.33.6. I can't download the headers or source files through apt-get. But i can download a tar.gz of them. Where do i have to untar them for packages to recognize them when I install from source? |
| 05:40.09 | c0dyhi11 | and do i need to do a make on them? |
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| 05:53.28 | nevyn | c0dyhi11: the tar.gz you downoad will not match the debian 2.6.33 exactly |
| 05:54.20 | c0dyhi11 | why is that? |
| 05:55.53 | c0dyhi11 | should i download the tar.gz and recomplie my kernel with the downloaded version that way everything is using the same version? I'm pretty novice when it come to these things. So if what i say makes absolutly no sense please let me know. |
| 05:56.44 | nevyn | c0dyhi11: what's the problem you're trying to solve. |
| 05:56.53 | nevyn | ? |
| 05:57.23 | c0dyhi11 | i'm trying to install dahdi (for asterisk) from source and it needs the source kernel files in order to install. |
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| 05:57.45 | nevyn | so install linux-source-`uname -r` |
| 05:57.53 | c0dyhi11 | That the problem. |
| 05:57.58 | c0dyhi11 | It's not there. |
| 05:58.06 | c0dyhi11 | and i can't find a .deb file for it either. |
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| 05:59.02 | nevyn | c0dyhi11: so I'd suggest upgrading your kernel and installing the matching -image -source and -headers packages |
| 05:59.46 | c0dyhi11 | so download the tar.gz and recompile my kernel from source? |
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| 06:00.46 | nevyn | no. |
| 06:00.51 | jelly-home | c0dyhi11: third party modules should not require source, just the headers: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:00.52 | nevyn | apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 06:01.18 | c0dyhi11 | uname -r = 2.6.33.6 |
| 06:01.28 | jelly-home | that's not a Debian kernel |
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| 06:01.30 | c0dyhi11 | 2.6.33.6 isn't in any repositories |
| 06:01.48 | c0dyhi11 | it is for ArmV5 |
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| 06:01.52 | jelly-home | yeah, consult whoever provided you with that kernel |
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| 06:03.10 | jelly-home | or build and use a different custom one and you'll have the sources then |
| 06:03.40 | jelly-home | or install and use a kernel from distro |
| 06:03.57 | c0dyhi11 | could i just reinstall the same version i have that way i have source? |
| 06:04.31 | c0dyhi11 | I have to stay on this version becasue of my hardware. |
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| 06:06.50 | c0dyhi11 | Ok well i'll revisit this tomorrow evening. I'm going to bed. |
| 06:07.15 | c0dyhi11 | I'll try and recompile my kernel and see what that does. Worst case i break it and lose 4hrs worth of work. |
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| 06:12.28 | archetech | do I have to open ports on a default install of debian 6 to see samba shares? |
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| 06:13.29 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 06:13.48 | mah454 | I have problem with debian on multi monitor ... |
| 06:13.55 | mah454 | I use ati driver |
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| 06:17.02 | mah454 | please view this picture : http://cdn.ngohaibac.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ati_dualmonitor_1.png |
| 06:17.31 | mah454 | catalist Control Center have "Display Manager" ... |
| 06:17.38 | mah454 | but i have not this Option ! |
| 06:17.54 | thogar | are they both plugged in? lol |
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| 06:18.33 | mah454 | thogar yes |
| 06:18.50 | mah454 | this is my picture https://picasaweb.google.com/108490113463391846662/August312011#5646898782099721890 |
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| 06:36.35 | mah454 | I can not config second monitor in ubuntu ! Catalyst have not "Display Manager" : http://www.ngohaibac.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitor-in-ubuntu-904-with-ati-driver/ |
| 06:36.46 | mah454 | I can not config second monitor in Debian ! Catalyst have not "Display Manager" : http://www.ngohaibac.com/how-to-setup-dual-monitor-in-ubuntu-904-with-ati-driver/ |
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| 06:42.26 | jetscreamer | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 06:42.35 | jetscreamer | nor do we support ubuntu |
| 06:43.00 | jetscreamer | different animal, esp when it comes to ati |
| 06:43.08 | jetscreamer | oh nvm |
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| 08:07.54 | TuxFighter | Hi, how can I remove an specific part of a string from a string |
| 08:07.57 | TuxFighter | in a bash script |
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| 08:08.18 | TuxFighter | like "Hello Mister Blue and have good one" -> remove Blue |
| 08:08.49 | sauvin | Kinda depends on what you want, but this looks like a job for set. |
| 08:08.51 | sauvin | sed, rather |
| 08:09.15 | TuxFighter | yea sed, awk or cut |
| 08:09.19 | TuxFighter | but how |
| 08:09.30 | sauvin | s/ Blue / / |
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| 08:10.45 | babilen | !sed tutorial |
| 08:10.45 | dpkg | Sed takes a bit of getting used to: http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html, google "paolo bonzini sed", http://sed.sf.net/sed1line.txt http://sed.sf.net/grabbag/scripts/, or http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt, or http://sed.sf.net/grabbag/tutorials/ |
| 08:10.50 | babilen | !awk |
| 08:10.50 | dpkg | methinks awk is a pattern scanning and text processing language invented by Aho, Weinberger and Kernighan. http://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/ (reference), http://hibernia.jakma.org/~paul/awk-faq.html (FAQ), http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Awk.html (tutorial), http://awk.freeshell.org/ (Wiki). #awk on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:11.00 | Hasham | hi...i installed modem connector software through executable file by (./install in terminal) it has uninstall button but when i click on it it opens terminal says (you must be root do that press any key to exit) how i become root in gui...? |
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| 08:14.50 | Hasham | help me |
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| 08:16.32 | forero | Hasham: run app as root |
| 08:16.38 | afuentes | hi! ive got a debian box acting as firewall. I want the firewall to take the external ip, so Im trying to put it in bridge mode and configure so the pc is the one that connects. The router connects over mer (mac encapsulation routing). Ive googled a bit but i cant find anything relevant. Any help? |
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| 08:18.08 | Hasham | forero, how..? apt-get is not working . the app name is mobile partner but system dont seem to find it |
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| 08:20.27 | TuxFighter | how can cut a specific part of a string and put it into new one with regex ? |
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| 08:22.55 | babilen | Hasham: What is it you are clicking on? Where is it located? What does "file /path/to/the/thing/you/click" give you? |
| 08:22.57 | TuxFighter | because it seems that cut won´t take use of my regex |
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| 08:24.46 | babilen | TuxFighter: See above + I really don't understand what you are trying to achieve in terms of input/output + This isn't really a Debian issue, but rather a #sed #awk #regex or #workingset one |
| 08:25.21 | Hasham | babilen, its in manu under internet ( i dont know the path where it is installed ) it has uninstall option but it requires root which i dont know how to in gui |
| 08:26.26 | babilen | Hasham: Could be anywhere -- Can you right click on it and view its details? |
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| 08:28.44 | kuznetzvo | my googling has been unsuccessful.. anybody got good link to configuring by shell the network connections etc to start at boot instead of AFTER user login? |
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| 08:29.36 | Bushmills | !interfaces |
| 08:29.36 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 08:29.38 | babilen | kuznetzvo: I infer that you are using network-manager. Try editing the connection and make it available to all users. |
| 08:29.49 | Hasham | babilen, i am not at system as the app which internet srevice provider let me download is not working...i can find application > internet > uninstaller |
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| 08:30.29 | sajkaca | hi. i have new mail server so i tryed to copy Maildir to new server. and outlook didnt fetch mailes. what is wrong anyone knows? |
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| 08:30.47 | kuznetzvo | ty |
| 08:31.00 | Bushmills | sajkaca: the configuration |
| 08:31.19 | babilen | kuznetzvo: But what kind of connection is it? Would it make sense to configure it with something else than network-manager? |
| 08:31.19 | kdawg | I am having issues uninstalling the newest version of vsftpd. I compiled it using the latest libaries although I have no idea how to remove it. I've tried using apt-get but that doesn't work cause. I compile it using make/make install. Any help would be apreciated. |
| 08:31.28 | sajkaca | but everything is the same. the outlook logon to new database fine but no mailes |
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| 08:31.47 | Bushmills | kdawg: read the install instruction which came with the source |
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| 08:32.00 | kuznetzvo | it is basically ethernet to switch to gateway.. there is another interface on the machine i had planned to link directly to the gateway with a public IP after i was "ready" |
| 08:32.01 | Bushmills | there should be explanation how to uninstall |
| 08:32.04 | babilen | Hasham: Yes, right click that (i.e. application > internet > uninstaller) and view its details. |
| 08:32.48 | Hasham | babilen, and after details...? |
| 08:33.13 | babilen | kuznetzvo: Sounds as if network-manager is not the optimal way. Configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:34.23 | kuznetzvo | good idea. |
| 08:34.26 | babilen | Hasham: Or actually: Right click it, add it as launcher to the Desktop and show me the content of the new file in ~/Desktop |
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| 08:35.40 | babilen | Hasham: Paste it to http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 08:39.24 | kdawg | i am browsing the vsftpd directory and i keep trying to open readme using nano but nothing is in the files |
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| 08:41.19 | babilen | kdawg: "make uninstall" ? |
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| 08:43.12 | babilen | Hasham: Hmm, you seem to be MIA -- Basic idea is: Take a look at the Exec: part of the .desktop file to see what it is actually running and execute that as root. Good luck. |
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| 08:44.51 | Hasham | babilen, i added launcher to desktop it says "/usr/local/Mobile_pPartner"/uninstallMobilepartner |
| 08:45.14 | kdawg | thank babilen but that doesn't work. I am still searching the folder see if i can find an information |
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| 08:45.29 | kdawg | any* |
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| 08:46.46 | babilen | kdawg: Ask upstream (#vsftpd) or remove files manually. It was hopefully installed to /usr/local and might not be that hard to find there. |
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| 08:47.44 | babilen | Hasham: Could you open a shell and run "gksu /usr/local/Mobile_pPartner/uninstallMobilepartner" there (enter your root password) |
| 08:48.25 | Hasham | babilen, i can , and let you know the reult |
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| 08:49.38 | dreamer | hmm, I have one machine and I'm unable to ssh to it (also from localhost). I keep getting ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 08:51.13 | babilen | Hasham: I will not be around much longer, but it looks as if it was installed to /usr/local/Mobile_pPartner -- a "rm -r /usr/local/Mobile_pPartner" might just remove it, but you would still need to get rid of the menu entry (alacarte might help there) |
| 08:52.52 | Hasham | babilen, gksu removed the app ( it is not in applications > internet ) is it removed ...? |
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| 08:54.32 | kdawg | okay |
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| 08:56.04 | babilen | Hasham: Is /usr/local/Mobile_pPartner gone too? |
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| 08:57.12 | NoOova | hi all! how i can reconfigure sources.list file? |
| 08:57.22 | NoOova | i want add default squeeze repos |
| 08:57.24 | tarzeau | NoOova: just edit it? |
| 08:57.37 | NoOova | i donw know what repos to add |
| 08:57.51 | NoOova | i want to see installation menu with repositories list =) |
| 08:58.16 | NoOova | may be dpkg-reconfigure something? |
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| 08:59.49 | Hasham | babilen, yes it says no such file or directory |
| 09:00.41 | babilen | Hasham: I would say that it was removed successfully |
| 09:00.50 | Hasham | babilen, thank you very much and I really appriciate your help |
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| 09:01.21 | babilen | Hasham: You are welcome -- Please think twice before installing something like this in the future. :) |
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| 09:02.21 | babilen | Hasham: For what its worth: network-manager can handle a lot of 3g modems and telcos |
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| 09:02.23 | Bushmills | NoOova: by using an interactive sources configuration frontend program, commonly called an "editor" |
| 09:02.39 | Hasham | babilen, that was from my ISP to connect my usb wireless modem to debian machine |
| 09:02.46 | babilen | !tell NoOova -about squeeze sources.list |
| 09:02.56 | babilen | !tell NoOova -about squeeze-updates |
| 09:03.04 | babilen | !tell NoOova -about mirrors |
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| 09:04.23 | babilen | Hasham: Yes, that is why I mentioned network-manager. It, or more precisely, the information in mobile-broadband-provider-info is all you need most of the time. |
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| 09:06.03 | kdawg | just found something in the directory of vsftpd source directory that may help with the uninstall using there is a section that says Clean and this is underneath it "rm -f *.o *.swp vsftpd" |
| 09:06.46 | Hasham | babilen, I will look for that and you saved my day . I am really proud to be part of this wonderful community . thank you and have a great time ahead |
| 09:06.57 | babilen | kdawg: That cleans the files created during the build -- Ask upstream (#vsftpd) and/or remove files manually from (hopefully) /usr/local |
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| 09:08.07 | babilen | Hasham: You are most welcome. May you have a nice day too. See, for example, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G for further details. |
| 09:08.13 | kdawg | okay i am in vsftpd and have not seen upstarem |
| 09:08.24 | kdawg | upstrean online |
| 09:08.30 | kdawg | upstream |
| 09:08.34 | cafuego | kdawg: that cleaned up the build directory. You shouldn't be baking tarballs and running 'make install' on anything. |
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| 09:08.57 | babilen | kdawg: upstream == developers of the software. I was merely suggesting to ask in that channel. |
| 09:09.09 | kdawg | oic |
| 09:09.24 | TuxFighter | I am trying to get my hostname of the who commando: grep -o --only-matching "p.*.dip.t-dialin.net" ? |
| 09:09.33 | TuxFighter | what wrong with that pipe |
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| 09:10.56 | NoOova | Bushmills: great it is a very powerfull program! |
| 09:11.01 | cafuego | TuxFighter: Apart gtom "there is no pipe" ? |
| 09:11.13 | TuxFighter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:11.55 | cafuego | TuxFighter: did you alias 'who'? Mine doesn't show hostnames at all. |
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| 09:12.21 | TuxFighter | debian .bashrc |
| 09:12.26 | babilen | TuxFighter: And you specify the same option twice (-o is short for --only-matching) |
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| 09:12.47 | cafuego | let me just ssh to a debian box |
| 09:12.48 | TuxFighter | ^^ |
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| 09:13.28 | TuxFighter | root ttyS0 2011-08-30 04:16 |
| 09:13.28 | TuxFighter | admin pts/0 2011-08-31 07:13 (p5b23c143.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:13.35 | cafuego | TuxFighter: And what data did you want to extract from what string? |
| 09:13.35 | TuxFighter | this how the output looks like |
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| 09:13.59 | TuxFighter | I want to extract the hostname if it is a dip-t-dialin.net and then get the ip |
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| 09:14.13 | TuxFighter | after that I want to check the ip again against a 16bt mask |
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| 09:16.12 | TuxFighter | http://pastebin.com/rrD9JrFQ |
| 09:16.23 | TuxFighter | I just listed what I am trying to do |
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| 09:18.24 | Kasreyn | how do you tell gnome to automount devices as user? |
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| 09:20.28 | babilen | TuxFighter: It does -- Your regular expression just greedily matches everything between the end and the "p" of pts at the beginning. |
| 09:21.21 | cafuego | TuxFighter: Ypou want egrep -o "([0-9A-z]*)\.dip\.t-dialin\.net" |
| 09:21.26 | babilen | TuxFighter: You should see that the "admin" part is dropped. But please take it to #regex or #sed :) |
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| 09:21.57 | cafuego | TuxFighter: that'll return the host+domain parts only. And Only for *.dip.t-dialin.net |
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| 09:22.21 | TuxFighter | k great thank you |
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| 09:22.23 | TuxFighter | :-) |
| 09:23.38 | cafuego | Really I think it can be "p([0-9a-h]{8})\.dip\.t-dialin\.net" |
| 09:23.50 | cafuego | and the 8 hex digits are likely the IP address. |
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| 09:55.05 | Kasreyn | so gnome now uses udisks instead of hal rules, messages still coming from dbus i assume? |
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| 10:15.40 | rgr | so ... in debian squeeze whats the correct procedure to get a /etc/network/interfaces clause to fire (manually it would be "sudo ifup 3g") when I plug in my umts stick? I need to mess around with udev? A better way? |
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| 10:16.59 | petern_ | i'm guessing, and i haven't read the documentation |
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| 10:18.53 | rgr | looks promising. hadnt seen that in the oodles of blogs/howtos etc. I'll try it now. |
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| 10:26.16 | rgr | actually on reflection that allow-hotplug cant posibly work since its a logical interface name. when I plug in the device its not a know interface. |
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| 10:39.16 | jeybop | hi |
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| 10:40.43 | petern_ | rgr, yeah, i was thinking that too :S |
| 10:40.55 | Colorado | http://gyazo.com/5ee50398f42cdb06125bfa11a538025d |
| 10:41.09 | Colorado | What in the world is going on? My network usage is constantly at 0.5-1 MB/s downstream. |
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| 10:41.32 | Colorado | Pic is the URL. |
| 10:41.53 | petern_ | are they your ips? |
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| 10:42.16 | Colorado | petern_: No. |
| 10:42.19 | petern_ | ok |
| 10:43.04 | Colorado | I thought it was some sort of DoS attack, but I'm too inexperienced to make that assumption--I assume I've buggered something up. |
| 10:43.10 | petern_ | if you don't know what it is, you might want to unplug it |
| 10:43.30 | Colorado | I'll restart. |
| 10:43.34 | Colorado | BRB. |
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| 10:44.16 | petern_ | heh |
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| 10:48.57 | Colorado | Nope. |
| 10:49.06 | Colorado | Still 500-1,000 KB/s downstream. |
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| 10:49.32 | thewanderer1 | guys, should a program be setting LC_ALL to en_US in an init script? |
| 10:49.53 | petern_ | Colorado, yeah, i just looked at the output of nethogs on my pc |
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| 10:50.01 | thewanderer1 | (en_US does not exist on my system and I just received an error message from it, package auditd) |
| 10:50.07 | petern_ | Colorado, looks like some kind of incoming scan, possibly a DoS |
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| 10:51.25 | Bushmills | Colorado: tcpdump might tell you |
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| 10:52.56 | Colorado_ | No idea as to what's going on. |
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| 10:58.44 | berzerka | hey guys. somehow i messed with the networking symlink in rcS.d. I would like to restore it to its default. apt-get install --reinstall netbase gives "insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `networking' overwrites defaults (S)." |
| 10:59.52 | Catprog | My motherboard failed and I replaced it. Now I cannot get into the GUI. |
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| 11:00.15 | berzerka | any idea how i can restore this to the default configuration, so that a future system upgrade regards this as "has not been touched" and upgrades as it would normally? |
| 11:00.32 | berzerka | Catprog: are you using the onboard graphics card? |
| 11:00.41 | Catprog | nods |
| 11:00.48 | jelly | thewanderer1: there's probably a reason why it does that |
| 11:01.08 | thewanderer1 | jelly: yeah but maybe it could set to C or POSIX... O.o |
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| 11:01.11 | berzerka | Catprog: which manufacturer is it, and which manufacturer was the card on the old board? |
| 11:01.50 | jelly | thewanderer1: there's probably a reason why it does that |
| 11:01.53 | berzerka | Catprog: you should adapt your xorg.conf accordingly.. |
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| 11:03.07 | berzerka | Catprog: pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:03.13 | jelly | thewanderer1: I have a stutid, vendor backup client that needs an 8-locale to be able to backup 7-bit unclean filenames, so something similar had to be put in its init script |
| 11:03.13 | thewanderer1 | jelly: hmm right, /etc/default/auditd references en_US, strange choice... |
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| 11:03.44 | jelly | thewanderer1: file a bug if it does that even when en_US isn't even configured on the system |
| 11:04.03 | thewanderer1 | jelly: ok, I will when I get back. gotta go now, cheers! |
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| 11:05.37 | Catprog | berzerka: I don't think I can. I do not have a way of getting those files off the computer |
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| 11:06.42 | berzerka | Catprog: alright. do you have an xorg.conf at all? does it contain a device section? also, search for lines starting with (EE) in the Xorg.0.log and write what they say. |
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| 11:07.05 | Colorado_ | I've filed a support ticket with my VPS provider, but if anyone has any ideas as to explanations, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. |
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| 11:11.22 | Catprog | My video berzerka . I do not have any (EE) lines. I do have a line saying your config file is /root/xorg.conf.new In the new one it has intell in the device, the X11/xorg.conf has "Configured Video Driver" |
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| 11:12.34 | berzerka | Catprog: what graphical environment do you use? gdm? |
| 11:13.01 | Catprog | I think it was kdm |
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| 11:13.46 | berzerka | Catprog: do you get any kind of error message? |
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| 11:14.16 | Catprog | It goes black and then the LCD screen says "No display" |
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| 11:16.15 | berzerka | Catprog: and you are sure that your /var/log/Xorg.0.log contains no errors? |
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| 11:17.46 | Catprog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.17 | babilen | Catprog: Please try *without* any xorg.conf and paste the log to http://paste.debian.net please (pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
| 11:18.23 | cityLights | can network manager run a program if a certain ssid is connected |
| 11:18.25 | cityLights | ? |
| 11:18.48 | Catprog | how do I run without xorg.conf? |
| 11:19.18 | babilen | Catprog: You make sure that you don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 11:20.22 | niklaswe | How can i fix so all traffic some coming in on eth0 also going out on eth0.. |
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| 11:22.38 | berzerka | can someone please check what the init priority of "networking" in runlevel S is on his system, i.e. the output of "ls /etc/rcS.d/S*networking"? |
| 11:22.40 | babilen | cityLights: Look at /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown for an example of such a script, google for NetworkManagerDispatcher and learn |
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| 11:23.44 | cityLights | <babilen>: thanks |
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| 11:25.27 | babilen | berzerka: You should just get the LSB header correct -- insserv would get it right. http://paste.debian.net/127943/ is mine |
| 11:25.47 | babilen | !tell berzerka -about confmiss |
| 11:26.00 | babilen | berzerka: Replacing the configuration files might also be an option. |
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| 11:26.11 | Catprog | babilen: have to install pastebinit |
| 11:26.27 | babilen | Catprog: Yes, or paste it manually. |
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| 11:29.02 | berzerka | babilen: the problem is that it is not a file which is in the tarball, but the symlink is created with an update-rc.d call in the postinst script. since doing that call by hand yields the same error, i am fixing it by hand. so please could you tell me that number? |
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| 11:29.45 | babilen | berzerka: But to answer your question, I get "/etc/rcS.d/S17networking" here (but /etc/rcS.d/S13networking on another host which is not surprising given that insserv manages that) |
| 11:30.22 | babilen | berzerka: Is the script (i.e. /etc/init.d/networking) correct in regard to its LSB header? |
| 11:30.26 | berzerka | babilen: ah, i see. but well, just doing "insserv /etc/init.d/networking" _also_ gives: insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `networking' overwrites defaults (S). |
| 11:30.31 | berzerka | babilen: yes |
| 11:31.38 | berzerka | babilen: alright, had to do insserv -d |
| 11:32.55 | babilen | !next |
| 11:32.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 11:33.05 | berzerka | babilen: thanks a lot. since when is this insserv thing around? wheezy? never seen it since woody.. ;) |
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| 11:34.03 | babilen | berzerka: It was introduced in squeeze. See http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot for (links to) details |
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| 11:34.17 | berzerka | babilen: superb. thank a ton. |
| 11:34.21 | berzerka | +s |
| 11:34.26 | babilen | berzerka: You are welcome :) |
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| 11:36.13 | TuxFighter | how secure is it to use "ip route add unreachable" instead of iptables ? |
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| 11:49.17 | gusto | is it worth installing systemd on debian, while debian starts very fast w/ this old way, while fedora 16 needs a few minutes to come up, on debian it's just seconds |
| 11:49.21 | gusto | hm? |
| 11:50.20 | jelly | how often do you start your machines? |
| 11:50.47 | gusto | when i am starting my computer :-D (once a day max.) |
| 11:51.24 | jelly | so why do you care? Push the button, continue making the morning coffee/tea/whatever |
| 11:52.10 | gusto | cool :-D |
| 11:52.44 | gusto | the problem is not my desktop (debian) but more the fedora 16 one ... which is on a netbook, and that is a bigger problem |
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| 11:53.25 | jelly | a netbook or a tablet is a different beast, fast boot is a worthwhile goal there |
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| 11:53.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am planning to switch to 64 bit. Will I have to use a different configuration for the apt sources.list file? |
| 11:53.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | or Apt detects the architecture by itself and downloads packages accordingly |
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| 11:54.30 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you can't "switch" the same installation to 64bit, yet, in a non-hackish manner. Reinstall. |
| 11:54.41 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the sources.list will be the same for offical debian sources -- can't guarntee nonoffical sources have a 64 bit repo |
| 11:54.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jelly : no no. i wil do a fresh install |
| 11:54.50 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: sources.list does not change |
| 11:54.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 11:55.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | will one see any noticable changes for compilation times with a 2GB RAM? |
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| 11:56.30 | g00se | I'm wondering, after installing zd1211-firmware, why that firware is apparently not being used when i load the driver for the device..? |
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| 11:57.31 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: probably not |
| 11:57.36 | g00se | At least 'idProduct 0x0002 AR5523 (no firmware)' appears in lsusb |
| 11:59.14 | abrotman | g00se: perhaps it couldn't find it ? |
| 11:59.25 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: if you are compiling something that takes a good amount of time you may notice a slight increase, but most won't notice it unless you do benchmarks. |
| 11:59.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | somiaj: so the true performance comes with 4G+ physical ram ? |
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| 12:00.30 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: true performance comes from identifying and addressing actual bottlenecks |
| 12:00.49 | jelly | instead of randomly changing stuff |
| 12:00.51 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: not there is speed increases in certain intensive actions in which having 64bit instruction set is advantagous (on the other hand there are things that go slower) |
| 12:00.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jelly: then why this 64 bit hype? Marketing Jargon? |
| 12:01.07 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what hype? |
| 12:01.16 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the >4gig of physical memory is just an addressing thing, you can't address that much memory on 32bit. |
| 12:01.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 64 bit = performance as marketted by our fellow processor manufacturers |
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| 12:02.42 | g00se | abrotman: How can i nudge it? It's there in /lib/firmware |
| 12:02.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | well i am upgrading my pc soon to a AMD Phenom2 X6 Hexcore with 4GB physical ram. SO i thought a 64 bit environment would give it the extra jolt |
| 12:02.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | for now i am just getting used to it on my current hardware |
| 12:02.59 | abrotman | g00se: look in dmesg to see if it's missing or loaded ? |
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| 12:04.27 | jelly | sh4d3sl4y3r_: upgrading from what? |
| 12:04.32 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: yes you will want to go 64 bit, but most people won't notice the actual difference (since the processor is so fast in the first place) |
| 12:04.40 | Catprog | babilen:can't install pastebinit . error message: can't connect passive socket |
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| 12:06.10 | icebrain | hi. Does anyone know what the output of e2fsck when running badblocks means? It's now "(5532/0/0 errors)". I assume the first number is the blocks already checked, but what are the two zeros? |
| 12:06.35 | g00se | abrotman: Well when i put the device in it recognises it as an Atheros device but there's only three lines in syslog - perhaps it's not going all the way..? |
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| 12:06.55 | abrotman | g00se: unload, reload the drive |
| 12:07.38 | g00se | abrotman: as in physically unplug it? |
| 12:07.53 | abrotman | no .. modprobe -r foo; modprobe foo |
| 12:08.18 | g00se | ok |
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| 12:12.07 | g00se | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/678841/ is the result |
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| 12:12.34 | abrotman | g00se: and lsusb now? |
| 12:12.39 | gomiam | ok, question: I'm trying to build a live Debian (stable) iso-hybrid image using GRUB in order to better deal with Xen options. Unfortunately it seems grub is unable to install itself on the image (something about no boot device found). Can someone tell me what am I doing wrong? (btw, live-build/stable is being used) |
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| 12:13.29 | hroi | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.34 | gomiam | (more information: the specific problem is grub can't find a device for /, /boot/ or /boot/grub) |
| 12:13.51 | hroi | I see that my binary is 32bit, and my /usr/lib folder contains 64bit binaries. |
| 12:13.53 | g00se | abrotman: 'Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0cf3:0002 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5523 (no firmware)' |
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| 12:14.11 | hroi | and my /usr/lib32 containst nothing. |
| 12:14.14 | hroi | :S |
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| 12:15.30 | hroi | how do I make apt-get install a 32bit version of a library? |
| 12:15.51 | abrotman | g00se: well, does it work? |
| 12:15.52 | Slydder | anyone here using iwatch? I can't seem to get the following regexception working. <path type="regexception">/etc/sed*|/etc/hosts\.deny*</path> |
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| 12:17.04 | g00se | abrotman: Apparently not. ifconfig -a shows no wireless interface |
| 12:17.18 | abrotman | g00se: you'd have to configure it probably .. |
| 12:17.26 | abrotman | g00se: dmesg .. does it show an interface name? |
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| 12:18.57 | Daemon_Byte | http://pastebin.com/zs3nejUb does anyone know why this script would work if I run it as root on the CLI but if I run it as a cron job it just creates an empty folder? |
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| 12:19.34 | g00se | abrotman: No. That last pastebin is what i got in syslog |
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| 12:21.38 | abrotman | g00se: ugh .. can you reboot? |
| 12:21.39 | hje841 | hey. how do I make Debian Squeeze installable from a USB flash drive? |
| 12:21.55 | abrotman | hje841: read the installation manual |
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| 12:22.12 | abrotman | hje841: generally, cat foo.iso > your/flash/drive ; sync |
| 12:22.38 | g00se | abrotman: Yes, i might try that |
| 12:22.55 | abrotman | g00se: there might be a lower level driver that is angry |
| 12:22.58 | hje841 | abrotman: yeah I got that, but I get 'Permission denied' even with sudo |
| 12:23.30 | gomiam | hje841: make sure the USB flash drive is unmounted |
| 12:23.47 | hje841 | no change |
| 12:23.50 | abrotman | hje841: then use 'su' |
| 12:24.01 | abrotman | hje841: what is the actual command oyu're using ? |
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| 12:24.43 | hje841 | abrotman: su made the difference. |
| 12:24.45 | gomiam | back to my question. Can anybody tell me how to build an iso-hybrid image with GRUB using live-build? It seems to die when trying to set up the grub package. |
| 12:24.53 | abrotman | hopefully it was the right device |
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| 12:25.16 | hje841 | first sudo su |
| 12:25.18 | hje841 | then cat debian-something.iso > /dev/sdf |
| 12:25.46 | hje841 | abrotman: I hope so too |
| 12:25.50 | nsadmin | or sudo bash |
| 12:26.15 | nsadmin | or sudo cat deb....iso > .dev.sdf |
| 12:26.22 | abrotman | don't forget the sync |
| 12:26.24 | nsadmin | err typos, sorry |
| 12:26.40 | nsadmin | when to sync? after writing? |
| 12:26.40 | hje841 | abrotman: sync after the cat operation right? |
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| 12:27.04 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:28.45 | nsadmin | abrotman, so a cat operation like that is buffered... that's why, right? |
| 12:29.01 | hje841 | abrotman: sync had no output |
| 12:29.12 | abrotman | hje841: it wouldn't |
| 12:29.30 | DummyMode | good morning |
| 12:29.31 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's to flush all disk buffers .. generally a good idea when doing sometihng like that |
| 12:29.36 | hje841 | abrotman: okay, I'll check it out on my new fitPCi |
| 12:29.46 | nsadmin | got it, thanks |
| 12:29.59 | gomiam | hje841: sync just makes sure there are no pending writes to the system disks. Always a good idea ;) |
| 12:31.11 | hje841 | gomiam: thanks |
| 12:31.28 | gomiam | damn it, I just want to build a new Xen Live CD image. How can live-build fail so hard? |
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| 12:32.32 | hje841 | works like a charm :D |
| 12:32.45 | gomiam | congrats, hje841 :) |
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| 12:35.22 | Styles | Hey |
| 12:35.32 | lancelot_of | i have a html page to share with you in order to discuss issues about powertop. How to share it?is there any web site to "paste" in |
| 12:35.34 | lancelot_of | ? |
| 12:35.42 | Styles | I'm trying to install ffmpeg, I"m running apt-get install ffmpeg and it says 'Could not preform immediate configuration (2) on perl. |
| 12:35.47 | gomiam | lancelot_of: pastebin.com? |
| 12:35.47 | Styles | What does that maen? |
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| 12:36.18 | lancelot_of | gomiam, can it paste also html pages like the output of powertop --html? |
| 12:37.01 | gomiam | I think it can. Just select HTML as file format |
| 12:37.17 | nsadmin | Styles, maybe that perl isn |
| 12:37.21 | nsadmin | t installed? |
| 12:37.35 | abrotman | Styles: paste the entire output |
| 12:37.58 | abrotman | Styles: use paste.debian.net |
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| 12:38.05 | Styles | http://pastebin.com/0Wd4bUDq |
| 12:38.28 | Styles | http://paste.debian.net/127953/ |
| 12:38.30 | Styles | Which ever you choose |
| 12:38.43 | abrotman | Styles: what is in oyur /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 12:39.17 | Styles | http://paste.debian.net/127954/ |
| 12:39.45 | Skogby | I'm about to do Lenny -> Squeeze |
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| 12:39.47 | Skogby | crosses fingers |
| 12:40.19 | nsadmin | I see lenny and wheezy in that sources.list |
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| 12:40.31 | Styles | in mine? |
| 12:40.35 | nsadmin | yep |
| 12:40.41 | Styles | So? |
| 12:40.50 | nsadmin | you're still at lenny? |
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| 12:41.01 | sephii | hey there, my ssh session crashed while I was in the middle of a dpkg-reconfigure. Now that I'm connected again I can see the dpkg process in ps, but is there a way to "bring it back to front"? |
| 12:41.05 | Styles | yea |
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| 12:41.35 | Styles | change wheezy to lenny? |
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| 12:42.01 | nsadmin | I'm not sure what you want here... are you trying to upgrade your whole box, install a particular package or both |
| 12:42.03 | Skogby | sephii: Does 'jobs' list anything |
| 12:42.14 | g00se | abrotman: Rebooting, if the device was working properly should have loaded the driver for me should it not? |
| 12:42.19 | sephii | Skogby: nope |
| 12:42.20 | Styles | nsadmin I'm trying to install the latest ffmpeg with mp3 and other things supported |
| 12:42.31 | Styles | I hear that some of the libraries aren't packaged w/ debian due to legal issues |
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| 12:43.08 | sephii | Skogby: and it just disappeared from the ps list... I think I'll have to start over |
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| 12:43.19 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 12:43.26 | abrotman | g00se: one would think |
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| 12:43.35 | nsadmin | that huge output from apt-get could be because you are at lenny and have a wheezy source... \ |
| 12:43.43 | Styles | kk |
| 12:43.50 | Styles | I also have a squeeze source |
| 12:43.56 | Styles | is that an issue as well? |
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| 12:44.11 | nsadmin | the error message at its end probably indicates it wants to install/configure wheeyz perl |
| 12:44.19 | Skogby | sephii: Most likely. |
| 12:44.21 | Styles | ok |
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| 12:44.26 | Styles | so should I just remove that line? |
| 12:44.38 | Styles | or change it to lenny |
| 12:44.46 | Skogby | sephii: It's usually a good idea to use screen for sensible stuff, in case your internet drops or whatever. |
| 12:45.12 | nsadmin | if this doesn't actually break your system (doing an apt-get of some sort), you're at least in for a rough ride |
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| 12:45.28 | Styles | wait |
| 12:45.30 | Styles | I broke my system? |
| 12:45.32 | Styles | :( |
| 12:45.36 | nsadmin | maybe not |
| 12:45.36 | g00se | abrotman: Funny - according to the wiki, the TP-Link usb nic i'm using is supported |
| 12:45.41 | Styles | How can I check nsadmin? |
| 12:45.45 | nsadmin | but the next use of apt-get might |
| 12:45.46 | Styles | Before completely ruining it |
| 12:45.46 | sephii | Skogby: yeah I'll do that next time, thanks for the tip |
| 12:45.51 | Styles | so.. |
| 12:45.55 | Styles | What should I do nsadmin? |
| 12:46.06 | superlinux | I want to have 2 commands on the same line in the terminal. the 2nd command should minimize the terminal window once i hit enter. how can I accomplish that? |
| 12:46.07 | nsadmin | abrotman: how to get his libc version? |
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| 12:46.33 | nsadmin | Styles: first comment the wheezy line (comment char is #) |
| 12:46.38 | Styles | nsadmin should I remove that, then try an apt-get update and see what it does? |
| 12:46.41 | Styles | yea |
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| 12:46.56 | Styles | done |
| 12:46.58 | Styles | apt-get update? |
| 12:47.06 | nsadmin | yep |
| 12:47.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: execute it |
| 12:47.24 | Styles | kk now? |
| 12:47.31 | abrotman | $ /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 12:47.31 | abrotman | GNU C Library (Debian EGLIBC 2.11.2-10) stable release version 2.11.2, by Roland McGrath et al. |
| 12:47.37 | nsadmin | yeah, go ahead and update |
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| 12:47.53 | Styles | did nsadmin |
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| 12:48.08 | aypea[2] | weird interaction between lvm and udev. running 3.1.0-rc4-git1. DM_UEVENT is compiled in. vgchange -ay finds the lvms but /dev/mapper does not get filled. anyone have any ideas? running under wheezy. |
| 12:48.09 | nsadmin | run what abrotman just said |
| 12:48.15 | Styles | http://paste.debian.net/127956/ |
| 12:48.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: not sure if lenny has an executable 'libc.so.6' |
| 12:48.48 | Styles | Compiled on a Linux >>2.6.32-5-amd64<< system on 2011-01-07. |
| 12:49.01 | abrotman | ugh ... |
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| 12:49.08 | abrotman | Styles: use aptitude, not apt-get |
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| 12:49.14 | Styles | why? |
| 12:49.32 | abrotman | okay .. then ignore help |
| 12:49.44 | nsadmin | abrotman, how did they do that? add a main()? |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | FIIK |
| 12:49.49 | Styles | no no, I don't mean to ignore it, but why do you use it? |
| 12:49.52 | Styles | Like what's the difference |
| 12:50.20 | abrotman | Styles: make sure you've removed your squeeze/wheezy sources .. and then use `aptitude update;aptitude -f install' .. see what happens |
| 12:50.27 | nsadmin | aptitude has better depend resolving algorithms |
| 12:50.38 | abrotman | s/resolving/unfucking/ |
| 12:50.57 | Styles | k |
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| 12:51.21 | jelly | abrotman: libc is always executable |
| 12:52.04 | Styles | abrotman it says current status: 14 |
| 12:52.07 | Styles | updates [-2] |
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| 12:53.20 | user_1 | what should I use for function scope localization ? |
| 12:53.35 | nsadmin | listerine? |
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| 12:53.52 | pseubodot | grin |
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| 12:54.14 | lancelot_of | i'm trying to use powertop on my system but i can't understand some things. First of all take a look at this output: http://imgur.com/4YJetl&zHIUN&MfmyP&NOdEb&keZ7i . I've not the C3 even if i'm on intel i5. Dunno why audio codec should suck 100% of cpu resource and then how to permanently fix those bad tunings listed on last page. I tried to tune them with return key but at successive suspend/hibernation/reboot all goes wrong again. Any help? |
| 12:54.35 | nsadmin | not sure what you mean by the question... this has to do with some language? |
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| 12:55.30 | lancelot_of | nsadmin, are talking with me? |
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| 12:55.44 | pseubodot | user_1: no idea, sorry. |
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| 12:55.46 | nsadmin | no to user_1 |
| 12:55.52 | lancelot_of | ok sorry |
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| 12:56.00 | streuner_ | user_1: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:56.09 | user_1 | nsadmin - gettext is application level I need something for a signle function |
| 12:56.22 | Styles | http://paste.debian.net/127958/ |
| 12:56.25 | Styles | Now I'm having this |
| 12:56.30 | Styles | aptitude install ffmpeg |
| 12:56.44 | user_1 | I have a webservice that would answer in a diffrent language for each request |
| 12:57.34 | user_1 | at first I thought using po files (gettext) but now I realized that this is not what gettext is created for |
| 12:57.50 | WormFood | when I connect my TV to my laptop, debian decides for some stupid reason, that it can't do 1920x1080, and limits my screen size to 1024x768...how do I fix this? |
| 12:58.20 | nsadmin | it did the same thing when I hooked my projector |
| 12:58.34 | user_1 | struner_ , so instead of implementing my one solution i'm searching for something that is allready used and exiting in the reps |
| 12:58.35 | WormFood | well, your projector probably does not do 1920x1080 |
| 12:58.57 | somiaj | WormFood: how are you connencting to your TV? HDMI, the standard 15pin VGA port? |
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| 12:59.04 | WormFood | hell, even when I connect it to my projector, which has a max resolution of 800x600, it lets me select much higher resolutions. |
| 12:59.16 | WormFood | 15-pin vga. My laptop does not have an hdmi output |
| 12:59.16 | nsadmin | and in my case the "stupid reason" was my projector is 1024x768 |
| 12:59.33 | Styles | so nothing now? |
| 12:59.36 | Styles | I can't install ffmpeg ? :-( |
| 12:59.52 | WormFood | well, my TeeVee does 1920x1080, and what is what I want my laptop to output, but it refuses to do it, without me doing something more |
| 13:00.05 | somiaj | WormFood: some tvs (my HD tv is one) do not give you full 1080p resolutions on the vga port -- the tv should be giving xorg its info to let it know what resolutions the pc mode can accept |
| 13:00.09 | user_1 | nsadmin , streuner_ , pseudobot so any suggestions ? (I hope I explained better) |
| 13:00.17 | nsadmin | you might have to build it and its libs, OR upgrade first to squeeze, then to wheezy, and install ffmpeg |
| 13:00.19 | g00se | abrotman: Thanks for trying. I'll probably get a different nic |
| 13:00.33 | streuner_ | judd, versions ffmpeg |
| 13:00.37 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.2-5; wheezy: 4:0.6.2-5; experimental: 4:0.7.1-3; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.8.2-0.0; sid-multimedia: 5:0.8.2-0.1 |
| 13:00.43 | nsadmin | the latter being a more supported way |
| 13:00.50 | streuner_ | Styles: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:01.05 | WormFood | somiaj, that may be my case as well. I had forgotten about the bandwidth requirements, however, the vga cable should handle it. I will double check my manual and see what it says....but unfortunately, it is all in Chinese (but I can probably figure it out) |
| 13:01.10 | somiaj | WormFood: in order to get full 1080p resolution on my hdtv (which is my monintor) I had to get a dvi -> hdmi adapter |
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| 13:01.33 | WormFood | my desktop has hdmi output, but not my laptop |
| 13:01.37 | Styles | streuner_ http://paste.debian.net/127960/ |
| 13:01.37 | somiaj | WormFood: its not the cable it is just in the firmware in the TV -- they limit it there thinking you want 'standard computer' resolutions. |
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| 13:02.20 | somiaj | WormFood: read the documatation of your TV to see what video modes the 'pc adapter' can accept |
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| 13:02.34 | streuner_ | Styles: thats total mess |
| 13:02.36 | nevyn | I had to do that too which was really annoying. |
| 13:02.57 | Styles | streuner_ how so? |
| 13:03.07 | streuner_ | Styles: thats a total mess, you need 2 lines for squeeze and maybe one for debian multimedia |
| 13:03.27 | Styles | how can I fix it? lol |
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| 13:03.32 | streuner_ | Styles: why do you run still lenny, is that a production server? |
| 13:03.41 | Styles | streuner_ yea |
| 13:03.50 | streuner_ | omg |
| 13:03.56 | Styles | well more my dev server i screw w/ but.. it's supposed to mimic a prod server lol |
| 13:04.16 | Styles | streuner_ why omg? |
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| 13:05.14 | WormFood | the manual say almost noting |
| 13:05.17 | WormFood | nothing* |
| 13:05.25 | streuner_ | this sources list is a total mess, and its more a joke for somebody who admin a production server. |
| 13:05.39 | somiaj | WormFood: well my manual cleary mentioned the exact video modes the 'pc' adapter would accept. |
| 13:05.50 | Catprog | I tried to install pastebinit and get : could not perform immediate configuration (2) on perl |
| 13:05.53 | overview | All system now Read-Only, how to fix this problem: Stopping xapi: rm: cannot remove `/var/run/xapi_startup.cookie': Read-only file system |
| 13:06.03 | Styles | how? with the exception of debian-multi* and volatile.debian, what's wrong? |
| 13:06.21 | WormFood | well, my manual has 3 resolutions listed...640x480, 800x600, and 1024x768....but I was outputting 1600x1200 into it just fine |
| 13:06.31 | lancelot_of | no suggestion for me? |
| 13:06.32 | Styles | the multimedia was just added to grab some of the ffmpeg things but it isn't working |
| 13:08.46 | Styles | So nothing? I'm just a joke? |
| 13:08.46 | somiaj | WormFood: I'd say that the edid of your monintor is telling debian that the only reoslutions available are those 3 and hence why it is limiting you. You can hack and write a custom edid or override it (but this could not only damage your hardware(tv) have adverse effects) |
| 13:08.47 | Styles | :-/ |
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| 13:09.21 | streuner_ | the lines is for squeeze |
| 13:09.34 | streuner_ | but you are running (prolly) lenny... |
| 13:09.50 | Styles | streuner_ the reason is lenny has outdated codec in it |
| 13:10.16 | abrotman | jelly: for some reason, i thought that was a feature that came with sarge or something |
| 13:10.25 | WormFood | well, if it was returning those values, then windows would also be limited to those same values, but windows as much as I hate it, at least lets me do 1600x1200 resolution |
| 13:11.08 | jelly | abrotman: oh, that's possible |
| 13:11.14 | WormFood | Linux will let me also do 1600x1200, if I connect it to another monitor first |
| 13:11.16 | jelly | abrotman: I have no woody |
| 13:11.23 | somiaj | WormFood: still not 1080p, I'd put your tv into google and see if anyone found a way to force X to use higher resolution. My guess is 1600x1200 is the best you will get on the pc adapter. |
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| 13:11.53 | WormFood | I'm guessing the same thing too somiaj |
| 13:12.02 | abrotman | jelly: that's what .. oh, nevermind |
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| 13:15.13 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:15.15 | streuner_ | Styles: we usually recommend to use stable/squeeze for production servers, if you want ffmpeg, just compile yourself. |
| 13:15.21 | wfq | I am trying to completely remove samba from my system |
| 13:15.37 | abrotman | remove samba-common |
| 13:15.39 | wfq | that is, I'd like to remove the setting files and folder |
| 13:15.44 | wfq | *folders |
| 13:15.52 | wfq | I've tried purge |
| 13:15.58 | wfq | but it still appears |
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| 13:16.37 | WormFood | unless those files and folders were part of the package, purge will not remove them |
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| 13:16.56 | WormFood | purge will also not remove them, if they have other files in those directories, that isn't from the package |
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| 13:17.04 | somiaj | wfq: just delete the setting files, if you created files in the folder that wern't created by installing samba (samba-common) then --purge wont delete them and won't remove the directory that they live in |
| 13:17.14 | Catprog | I had a server with lvm and raid. I needed to replace the motherboard and am now thinking of reinstalling debain from scratch. how do I move the raid and lvm config over without loosing data? |
| 13:17.15 | wfq | hmmm I assumed that /etc/samba was created by samba installation |
| 13:17.21 | somiaj | wfq: dpkg -S /etc/samba/<file name> should show what package created the files. |
| 13:17.51 | abrotman | wfq: what still appears? |
| 13:17.54 | somiaj | wfq: /etc/samba was, but all the files in there couldn't be. For example if you used emacs to edit the file you may have /etc/samba/smb.conf~ in that dir in which --purge won't delete |
| 13:17.59 | abrotman | the smb.conf is not part of a package |
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| 13:18.06 | ethanol | what is wrong with my install? :< |
| 13:18.07 | ethanol | http://pastie.org/2459897 |
| 13:18.31 | abrotman | ethanol: paste your sources.list also |
| 13:18.39 | ethanol | sure one moment |
| 13:18.57 | wfq | what? I just used what abrotman said but instead of remove I just used purge, that is, apt-get purge samba-common and the folder has been removed |
| 13:19.09 | wfq | somiaj, thanks for the tip |
| 13:19.26 | wfq | I did apt-get remove samba, hence the mistake |
| 13:19.49 | ethanol | abrotman, http://pastie.org/2459897 |
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| 13:20.16 | somiaj | wfq: dpkg -l | grep "^rc" is useful, shows you pcakages that have been removed but not purrged, you will have to use dpkg --purge to get rid of their config files. |
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| 13:20.21 | abrotman | ethanol: use aptitude to "resolve" your dependency issues? |
| 13:20.42 | somiaj | wfq: also dpkg -S <path to file> if your courious which package owns that file |
| 13:20.51 | ethanol | aptitude pretty much gets a headache and gives up |
| 13:20.52 | wfq | that command line makes a lot of sense, why did not think about that before? |
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| 13:21.43 | ethanol | abrotman, the first suggestion :') http://pastie.org/2459913 |
| 13:22.01 | wfq | hello? |
| 13:22.10 | wfq | bloody connection |
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| 13:22.36 | somiaj | ethanol: you realize you have stable/testing and unstable sources all mixed together (bad juju) along with an unoffical source -- makes figuring out dependencies a lot harder (espically if your wanting a stable system) |
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| 13:23.21 | ethanol | it shouldn't be _this_ hard |
| 13:23.22 | ethanol | :\ |
| 13:23.48 | ethanol | prefer backports over stable, stable over everything else except if something specifically was chosen from testing |
| 13:23.49 | somiaj | why do you expect all these conflicting version/pacakges and depdencies to get along with each other in every case |
| 13:23.53 | ethanol | external source for mariadb |
| 13:24.04 | ethanol | I barely installed anything from testing :< |
| 13:24.35 | somiaj | as soon as you install something from testing you most likely pull in testing libc6 and are no longer stable. Basically you have a frankenstien install and will get little to no support for it. |
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| 13:25.41 | ethanol | hrm, it seems you are right on that libc6 statement :( |
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| 13:26.10 | ethanol | maybe I should just move everything to testing then |
| 13:26.19 | somiaj | yes debian allows you to do what your doing, no debian does not support it (for obvious reasons) -- result, you may have to run though and manually chase dependencies around and fix them one at a time until you fix your problem. |
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| 13:27.01 | babilen | somiaj, wfq: FWIW "aptitude search ~c" and "aptitude purge ~c" is much easier. |
| 13:27.25 | babilen | (removed, but not purged packages) |
| 13:27.28 | somiaj | babilen: I like my dpkg, thank you very much. (: |
| 13:28.00 | babilen | somiaj: You are welcome! And I also like your dpkg ;) |
| 13:28.14 | wfq | I do like dpkg too |
| 13:28.18 | somiaj | babilen: but thanks, wfq might prefer that....I should learn aptitutde more, but I rarely if ever use it. |
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| 13:28.59 | wfq | I actually run aptitude purge -c yesterday but can guess I messed up the installation again today morning |
| 13:29.10 | babilen | wfq: ~ not - |
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| 13:30.11 | wfq | sorry I meant ~ |
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| 13:32.52 | abrotman | ethanol: hint .. this is why you don't mix versions of Debian |
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| 13:34.11 | ethanol | abrotman, so like I said, maybe I should move to testing completely? :p |
| 13:34.23 | mutante | hah, i like the term "frankenstein install". echo "frankenstein" > /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:36.14 | abrotman | ethanol: is it a production srerver? |
| 13:36.38 | donspaulding | I'm trying to setup Ubuntu server on a remote box using KVM-over-IP. My (manually assigned) network connection is not working. I dropped out of the text-mode installer into the ash shell, is there a way for me to tell from ash whether or not the physical link is up? |
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| 13:36.54 | _Dave123_ | what should the conten tof /etc/hostname be? |
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| 13:37.05 | somiaj | mutante: I use to have a computer I called frankenstein, pieced together with faulty parts that didn't work on other computers -- It ran, but barely. |
| 13:37.07 | _Dave123_ | the servername ? the (most important domain name) of a server you use? |
| 13:37.20 | ethanol | abrotman, well, yeah. it runs 3 or 4 websites |
| 13:37.31 | Catprog | is having trouble with X.Org http://paste.debian.net/127964 X.org loh with no config file |
| 13:37.45 | iderik | I just compiled and installed dwm with "dpkg -i dwm.deb", but it looks like its using the old dwm that i installed last week with a binary from the software-center. Do I need to remove the old one first? |
| 13:37.47 | lancelot_of | i'm trying to use powertop on my system but i can't understand some things. First of all take a look at this output: http://imgur.com/4YJetl&zHIUN&MfmyP&NOdEb&keZ7i . I've not the C3 even if i'm on intel i5. Dunno why audio codec should suck 100% of cpu resource and then how to permanently fix those bad tunings listed on last page. I tried to tune them with return key but at successive suspend/hibernation/reboot all goes wrong again. Any help? |
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| 13:37.51 | rypervenche | I have changed my /etc/ssh/sshd_config file. How can I get the default provided by Debian? |
| 13:37.54 | somiaj | _Dave123_: or what ever you want to call the computer. It dosen't have to be the full domain name. |
| 13:38.15 | somiaj | ethanol: so you put testing/unstable sources on a production server....you are tempting the gods. |
| 13:38.15 | ethanol | abrotman, can I use aptitude to easily see which packages I might have installed from testing or unstable? |
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| 13:38.49 | ethanol | somiaj, I doubt the testing or unstable version of apache/mariadb (the latter actually falls outside of debian repo's) is bound to break that easily |
| 13:38.51 | somiaj | ethanol: as I mentioned because of pulling in the testing/unstable deps and having libc6 (and other base things from testing) getting that back to a stable install won't be easy. |
| 13:39.04 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 13:39.04 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 13:39.12 | ethanol | somiaj, hence I am looking at moving everything to testing or unstable |
| 13:39.18 | mutante | somiaj: :) thats what a former boss would have liked everytime "one box is broken, cant you fix it with parts from the other broken box" (instead of ordering new hardware) |
| 13:39.22 | ethanol | somiaj, just wanna check now how many packages i have installed from either |
| 13:39.32 | _Dave123_ | somiaj: when its not a domain i get an error "Unable to resolve host name" |
| 13:40.06 | somiaj | _Dave123_: you can put the hostname in /etc/hosts or have a local nameserver know what it is. |
| 13:40.25 | mutante | so if i select grub to be installed onto a RAID device, and it says that failed and how it was BAD, does that actually break the RAID or just fails do install grub, which would be ok, since it is ALSO on the correct boot partition |
| 13:40.31 | ethanol | ok great, so I have a whole bunch of packages from testing, nothing from unstable |
| 13:40.38 | ethanol | so I guess I'll move the server to testing |
| 13:40.41 | somiaj | mutante: yea, the parts I got were all free because at least my boss allowed me to replace them with working hardware. I was just playing around. |
| 13:40.47 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 13:41.23 | somiaj | _Dave123_: but the naming convention is up to you, use a full qualified domainname if that is the setup for your network you want. |
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| 13:43.00 | abrotman | ethanol: is it a production/web-facing server? |
| 13:43.18 | ethanol | yeah |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | do NOT move to testing .. are you insane? |
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| 13:43.43 | abrotman | you sohuld have your root privs revoked |
| 13:43.53 | ethanol | why would I revoke my privs? |
| 13:44.00 | ethanol | the server isn't going to run itself |
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| 13:44.16 | abrotman | why in the hell would you put an internet-facing system out there running testing? |
| 13:44.29 | ethanol | you say that like testing is insecure. |
| 13:44.31 | abrotman | let alone production |
| 13:44.40 | abrotman | i say that because testing is insecure |
| 13:44.41 | ethanol | shit, I bet ubuntu is more up to date than debian unstable |
| 13:44.42 | somiaj | ethanol: testing is actually more insecure than sid |
| 13:45.03 | ethanol | debian unstable is like any other stable distro |
| 13:45.14 | ethanol | snailpace release cycle |
| 13:45.15 | abrotman | w t f |
| 13:45.17 | abrotman | you sohuld have your root privs revoked |
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| 13:46.03 | ethanol | runs aptitude upgrade |
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| 13:46.47 | somiaj | ethanol: you have the freedom to run what ever you want, but there is a reason many people stick to debian stable for production systems -- 'up to date' is not always a feature. |
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| 13:47.08 | ethanol | somiaj, on a webserver, using packages from 2 years ago is kinda lame. |
| 13:47.17 | ethanol | yes, that was an exaggeration |
| 13:47.22 | abrotman | on a webserver .. having it fail to function because you run testing is kind of lame |
| 13:47.29 | iderik | I cant use my compiled version of DWM, it seems like its overridden by the old binary version that I installed via software-center. Could anyone give me a hint? =) |
| 13:47.37 | ethanol | we'll see how much it fails when aptitude is done :) |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | having it hacked because you're incompetent .. that's kind of lame |
| 13:47.50 | abrotman | cracked |
| 13:48.19 | somiaj | yea because web servers two years ago didn't work and so you have to have the newest and greatest to deliver a blog. |
| 13:48.50 | iderik | I installed the DWM source with "dpkg -i dwm.deb", but it doesnt replace the old version. |
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| 13:49.16 | abrotman | iderik: dpkg -L yourdwm.deb .. put it in a pastebin |
| 13:49.28 | babilen | iderik: Why don't you just forget about the Debian package (which really doesn't make sense for dwm) and install it from upstream's sources? |
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| 13:51.34 | ethanol | meh |
| 13:51.47 | ethanol | listbugs made me doubt for a moment |
| 13:52.00 | ethanol | but hey, if you don't try, you won't know |
| 13:52.05 | ethanol | hit 'yes' |
| 13:52.14 | iderik | babilen: like "make clean-install"? according to a debian guide that wasnt the debian-way :) because then the dpkg couldn't see the install or something. ill try that then :) |
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| 13:53.41 | somiaj | iderik: debian only needs to see the pacakge if other packages depend on it...though I do prefer compling upstream into a custom package cause I think dpkg is a far better tool at managing software than 'make install' and 'make uninstall' |
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| 13:54.18 | babilen | iderik: I am just saying that a static binary doesn't make sense for dwm and you are probably better off to just grab upstream's sources and install it to /usr/local |
| 13:54.21 | somiaj | I wish I could rember the name of the package that is supose to manage installs from source in /usr/local |
| 13:54.39 | babilen | somiaj: stow? checkinstall? |
| 13:54.53 | iderik | babilen: thanks, ill try that |
| 13:55.12 | babilen | iderik: And yes, take a look at stow -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage |
| 13:55.16 | somiaj | babilen: ahh yes stow was it. Thanks. |
| 13:55.23 | babilen | iderik: We are talking about the window manager, aren't we? |
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| 13:56.23 | iderik | babilen: yes, we are. let me see. one more question, should i remove the dwm package with "apt-get remove"? |
| 13:56.39 | ws2k3 | is if safe to hang a debian machine with a strong sh password everything default installation straith to the wan? |
| 13:56.51 | ws2k3 | for exaple that ssh is accessable from the wan? |
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| 13:57.15 | mosno | ws2k3: you'd hope so |
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| 13:57.29 | somiaj | ws2k3: stable is supose to be fairly safe, but nothing is perfect. There are some nice documents out there about hardining debian if you are a bit more parnoid. |
| 13:57.47 | babilen | iderik: remove or purge -- I am *only* recommending this because dwm is *designed* to be compiled for even minor configuration changes. (like keybindings). A Debian package and an installation *you* can not change without problems is just not the right way for this particular piece of software. |
| 13:58.44 | iderik | babilen: ah ok! thank you so much for the help. ill do a restart now |
| 13:58.50 | babilen | ws2k3: I would recommend disabling passwords and root logins and only allow key based authentication with strong passphrases. ssh-agent might come in handy too. |
| 13:59.20 | ethanol | ohnoes, I upgraded to testing and everything still works |
| 13:59.21 | ethanol | :( |
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| 13:59.31 | abrotman | today |
| 13:59.43 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 13:59.43 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 14:00.17 | ws2k3 | how big is the change ur machine get hacked if i leave everything standaart? |
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| 14:00.31 | abrotman | chance? |
| 14:00.43 | abrotman | too many variables to know |
| 14:00.56 | somiaj | I always wondered about key-based auth and security. There was an article that says policys about enforcing very strong passwords and changing them every 60-90 days made for a far more secure system, but this lead to people writing down their passwords to rember them (thus making things less secure). Isn't a key like writing down a password, so even if the server is secure, all someone has to do is crack the computer that has the key in i |
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| 14:02.11 | jelly | uh, ##security ? |
| 14:02.15 | petern_ | well your key should have a passphrase on it... |
| 14:02.19 | abrotman | somiaj: there are tricks to remember harder-to-crack passwords |
| 14:03.14 | jelly | you can store the key on a usb stick and always wear it |
| 14:03.16 | somiaj | petern_: so why does a key + passphrase any different than just a good password, is it just adding another layer (so you have time to change the keys if you know it got stolen) |
| 14:03.20 | petern_ | correct horse battery staple? |
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| 14:03.57 | petern_ | somiaj, cos you can't get in at all without the key. you have to keep that safe of course |
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| 14:04.01 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 14:04.05 | zykotick9 | abrotman, I'd suggest passWORDS are a bad idea in this day and age, passSENTENSES can be longer and easier to remember. Just my 2 cents. somiaj |
| 14:04.08 | man_in_shack | i'm having a trouble with bluetooth here |
| 14:04.19 | abrotman | zykotick9: that's kind of what i was getting at |
| 14:04.23 | man_in_shack | my phone and desktop can see each other but pairing keeps failing without asking for passcode |
| 14:04.25 | petern_ | personally i'd like key & local password, as a kind of poor-mans two factor, but i never investigated that |
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| 14:04.35 | somiaj | abrotman: yea I keep trying to find better methods, I curntelly use keychain, but if that gets cracked I loose all my security. |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | zykotick9: iLoveSkidRow86! :) |
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| 14:04.59 | abrotman | nope .. doesn't work anywhere i know of .. but no one would guess thta anyone loves skid row |
| 14:06.11 | somiaj | though one way to avoid such problems is not haveing anything worth cracking or steeling, but that doens't seem to stop people these days. |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | zykotick9: i wouldn't mind a combo password/passpicture .. but i don't think ssh would fare so well with that |
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| 14:07.09 | pseubodot | abrotman: think of how you would look in ascii art ... :) |
| 14:07.22 | man_in_shack | i'm using gnome-blutooth on an xfce environment |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | pseubodot: i'd be naked on a firetruck or something .. yay calendar 'art' :) |
| 14:07.33 | zykotick9 | abrotman, interesting idea. Would that picture be ASCII for ssh (joking) |
| 14:07.41 | man_in_shack | i'm in the "bluetooth" group |
| 14:07.48 | man_in_shack | i have no idea how to start troubleshooting this |
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| 14:08.04 | ethanol | somiaj, http://xkcd.com/936/ |
| 14:08.18 | petern_ | man_in_shack, try the netdev group |
| 14:08.21 | abrotman | zykotick9: well, you could use it to display a number of .. say .. tictactoe boards .. to the screen .. and you have to match |
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| 14:09.09 | iderik | did babilen left? |
| 14:09.11 | man_in_shack | FFFFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffff |
| 14:09.23 | man_in_shack | why won't gdmflexiserver allow me to create a new login with the same user? :( |
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| 14:09.44 | abrotman | iderik: he times out sometimes .. give it five minutes |
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| 14:10.02 | zykotick9 | man_in_shack, it used to be possible actually - then the idea of having the same user logged in twice was deemed too dangerous |
| 14:10.04 | iderik | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 14:10.16 | pindemon | hello everybody |
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| 14:10.59 | pindemon | I've got debian amd_64 succesfully installed on my macbook pro 3,1 (dual booting), everything works as expected... I've got one question for you guys |
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| 14:11.05 | iderik | abrotman: you dont know how to run dwm from /usr/local/dwm with .xinitrc? "exec dwm" didnt work, is it just as simple as "exec /usr/local/dwm"? :O |
| 14:11.11 | pindemon | how can I access my personal folders in the hfs+ partition? |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | iderik: i'd imagine it should be /usr/local/bin/dwm |
| 14:11.31 | iderik | oh true |
| 14:11.35 | man_in_shack | petern_: no diff |
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| 14:11.42 | pindemon | debian does shows me the hfs+ partition, under gnome I can mount it (after typing root's pwd) |
| 14:12.11 | iderik | abrotman: but, when i used to run with "exec dwm", where does it look? in working dir, which is "~/"? i want to learn how it works |
| 14:12.15 | pindemon | but I cannot access the content under /Users/<username>/ (documents, desktop, downloads, music) |
| 14:12.16 | petern_ | :( |
| 14:12.28 | abrotman | iderik: which dwm |
| 14:12.35 | abrotman | iderik: 'which dwm |
| 14:12.38 | abrotman | iderik: 'which dwm' .. thta will tell you |
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| 14:12.57 | iderik | abrotman: it used to work with just "exec dwm" when it was installed with dpkg |
| 14:13.00 | iderik | let me see |
| 14:13.04 | AndroiD | hi |
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| 14:13.19 | iderik | abrotman: ok, now it points to /usr/local/bin/dwm |
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| 14:13.41 | iderik | abrotman: but i would like to know where it looked before, when it was installed with dpkg/apt-get |
| 14:13.42 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 14:13.50 | abrotman | iderik: dpkg -L dwm |
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| 14:14.02 | iderik | abrotman: i have removed it now :/ |
| 14:14.05 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/606046/ << hciconfig output |
| 14:14.23 | abrotman | iderik: apt-file list dwm |
| 14:14.28 | iderik | abrotman: oh well :) thanks, ill try this new path |
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| 14:15.15 | man_in_shack | something else that's p-ing me off is every time i restart dbus, gdm decides to restart too |
| 14:15.21 | man_in_shack | logs me out |
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| 14:17.47 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/606047/ << first section here is phone attempting to pair with desktop |
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| 14:17.57 | somiaj | pindemon: look up the options in mount for the hfs+ file system, you may have to give it a user id / group id you want to be able to access it |
| 14:17.58 | man_in_shack | second section is gnome-bluetooth discovering the devices |
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| 14:18.14 | man_in_shack | there's no result when gnome-bluetooth attempts to pair |
| 14:18.28 | somiaj | pindemon: I dont' know hfs+, but for ntfs there is an uid= and and gid= option to set up the base user/group the files are owned by (so your user can access them) |
| 14:18.53 | somiaj | pindemon: last once you figure out the mount options, put it all in /etc/fstab and set it up to automount and/or allow a user to mount/umount it so you don't have to use root each time. |
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| 14:19.29 | somiaj | pindemon: I don't know much about the hfs+ filesystem and what options are available, but I would guess there are some to do what I suggested. |
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| 14:20.00 | pindemon | somiaj: ok, I see that folders as owner 501 - user #501 |
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| 14:20.37 | pindemon | somiaj: will investigate |
| 14:21.08 | somiaj | pindemon: yea my guess is its mount /device /mountpoint -o uid=username, but that is what I use for ntfs/vfat |
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| 14:24.01 | man_in_shack | blueman.bluez.errors.DBusDoesNotExistError: Device creation in progress |
| 14:24.04 | man_in_shack | :| |
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| 14:24.09 | somiaj | pindemon: man mount -- search for hfs (type /hfs) hit 'n' a few times you'll get the options for hfs, one is uid,gid you can just set as I suggested. |
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| 14:25.07 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/606056/ << dmesg output |
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| 14:26.18 | man_in_shack | so this is odd |
| 14:26.37 | man_in_shack | there's a usb hub built into my bluetooth dongle? |
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| 14:27.55 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/606060/ << can't tell if this is a dbus error or a device/driver error |
| 14:29.11 | pindemon | somiaj: I'm right there :) |
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| 14:29.34 | man_in_shack | anyone have some ideas for me? :( |
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| 14:30.48 | Synthead | how can I install openssh-server without automatically starting the service? |
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| 14:31.16 | somiaj | Synthead: you can't unless you make your own package modifying the post isntall script |
| 14:31.32 | Synthead | somiaj: hmm, I see |
| 14:31.42 | somiaj | Synthead: but you could stop it right away with /etc/init.d/ssh stop, and then disable it from starting at boot up with update-rc.d ssh disable |
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| 14:31.58 | Synthead | somiaj: wouldn't that be considered a security risk to an admin with a half-setup system, though? |
| 14:33.00 | somiaj | Synthead: ssh isn't really considered a security risk and if your installing the server its safe to assume you want to run it |
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| 14:33.46 | somiaj | Synthead: if you just want the client, only install openssh-client |
| 14:34.10 | somiaj | i.e. don't install the server until you want to run it |
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| 14:34.20 | Synthead | somiaj: I see |
| 14:34.37 | somiaj | the package 'ssh' is just a meta package that grabs both the client and server |
| 14:34.51 | Synthead | right |
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| 14:38.00 | qrq | Hi |
| 14:38.03 | qrq | I need help |
| 14:38.15 | somiaj | we are not mind readers |
| 14:38.21 | qrq | I configured manualy my connection to wifi |
| 14:38.32 | qrq | By iwconfig etc |
| 14:38.38 | qrq | But |
| 14:38.51 | qrq | Network manager dont see that network |
| 14:38.53 | qrq | I mean |
| 14:38.56 | qrq | My router |
| 14:39.13 | somiaj | does it show up in 'iwlist <device> scan' |
| 14:39.17 | qrq | Yes |
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| 14:39.53 | somiaj | nm ignores devices configured in /etc/network/interfaces -- so is it ignoring your whole wifi device or just that one ap? |
| 14:40.04 | qrq | One moment |
| 14:40.40 | qrq | wlan0 Scan completed : |
| 14:40.40 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.40 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.40 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.40 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.58 | qrq | Sorry |
| 14:41.02 | qrq | For flood |
| 14:41.40 | qrq | Firefox and everything workd |
| 14:41.42 | qrq | works |
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| 14:43.01 | qrq | Maybe I should add it manually to NM? |
| 14:43.01 | somiaj | that wasn't my question, do you have your device configured in /etc/network/interfaces (or a configuration for it) |
| 14:43.22 | qrq | I dont exacly know what you mean |
| 14:43.35 | somiaj | why not check the file I pointed you at |
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| 14:43.44 | man_in_shack | aaaaaaaaaaaarg |
| 14:43.44 | qrq | Ok |
| 14:44.21 | qrq | wireless-mode managed |
| 14:44.21 | qrq | wireless-essid dlink |
| 14:44.44 | qrq | So I guess it is |
| 14:44.51 | somiaj | qrq: so your wireless device is configured in /etc/network/interfaces -- thus NM is ignoring it. |
| 14:44.54 | man_in_shack | Sep 1 00:44:40 legion bluetoothd[6884]: bt_io_connect: socket(RAW, L2CAP): Protocol not supported (93) |
| 14:45.03 | man_in_shack | ^^ got that from daemon.log |
| 14:45.10 | qrq | somiaj So how fix that? |
| 14:45.13 | somiaj | qrq: comment out or remove that, and restart the network with /etc/init.d/networking restart (it should see it just fine then) |
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| 14:46.17 | zykotick9 | qrq, just to be clear /etc/network/interface can't have anything to do with your wlan0 or NM won't "manage" it (same point as somiaj above) |
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| 14:48.01 | ws2k3 | hello guys when i connect to an sshd server on debian that does take some seconds to login maby 3/4 seconds is it possible to speed it up? |
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| 14:48.40 | petern_ | usually a dns issue |
| 14:48.49 | petern_ | or it's just busy, heh |
| 14:48.49 | Featurefreak | hi folks, i have a debian server i'm trying to shutdown, but i need to migrate a few email accounts to google for domains first. |
| 14:49.07 | catsup | that's horrible |
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| 14:49.12 | petern_ | google :S |
| 14:49.15 | Synthead | is port 111 open on "default" debian installs? |
| 14:49.16 | man_in_shack | turns out i didn't enable bt protocols when i compiled the kernel |
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| 14:49.28 | qrq1 | It didnt changed anything :) |
| 14:49.36 | Featurefreak | i was looking at the exchangemigration tool, but I don't have a miccrosoft device. |
| 14:49.40 | petern_ | Synthead, yes. just remove portmap. |
| 14:49.47 | somiaj | I suggest letting goggle handel the email/spamfilters -- they take up to much resources for small projects..... |
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| 14:50.14 | somiaj | no reason a little vps needs to deal with mail these days when google will do it for you. It isn't like they don't alraedy have all your personal data |
| 14:50.19 | Synthead | petern_: what sort of security issues should I be worried about if portmap is installed? |
| 14:50.27 | catsup | lol |
| 14:50.29 | Featurefreak | the only computer I own that works right now is an EeePC 1000h, so i'm not looking to download emails via imap to local thunderbird client and then import them into gmail via imap again. |
| 14:50.41 | catsup | it isn't like they don't already have all your personal data wtf? they don't have your email if you're hosting it yourself |
| 14:51.20 | Featurefreak | is there a direct way to migrate the mailboxes from the server to google? |
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| 14:51.36 | catsup | Featurefreak: just change the mx record |
| 14:52.01 | qrq1 | So... |
| 14:52.07 | somiaj | that won't migrate the mailbox though, just point the mail at google. |
| 14:52.07 | Featurefreak | catsup: that's already done, i'm running live on google, |
| 14:52.11 | qrq1 | Somiaj Whats next step? :D |
| 14:52.12 | catsup | oh ok |
| 14:52.15 | Featurefreak | catsup: i need to migrate the data now |
| 14:52.24 | catsup | guess you copy it with imap then |
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| 14:52.35 | catsup | or you could push it out over smtp |
| 14:52.46 | petern_ | Synthead, pass |
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| 14:52.48 | Featurefreak | is there a command line way i could do it directly on the old server that has the mailbox? |
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| 14:52.59 | somiaj | qrq1: NW should now manage the wireless device just fine if you removed it from /etc/network/interfaces as told. |
| 14:53.01 | petern_ | Synthead, but if you don't need it, no reason to keep it there. |
| 14:53.20 | catsup | Featurefreak: well there's a package called 'imapcopy' |
| 14:53.28 | Synthead | petern_: right. thought it was weird that it automatically has it running on a base install, but I suppose it isn't a big deal |
| 14:53.30 | Featurefreak | ohh, cool |
| 14:53.31 | qrq1 | Somiaj I removed this : wireless-mode managed |
| 14:53.31 | qrq1 | wireless-essid dlink |
| 14:53.33 | somiaj | Featurefreak: the mail box is just a mbox file or a Mail dir, so look into how to import that to google's aps. |
| 14:53.52 | petern_ | Synthead, it's to do with NFS. i don't know how common that is. |
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| 14:53.59 | Featurefreak | somiaj: i've been searching their help and they just push you toward their exchange tool for everything |
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| 14:54.01 | somiaj | qrq1: you didn't remove the whole entry, you removed a few lines within the entry, put a copy of your /etc/network/interfaces file at paste.debian.net |
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| 14:54.20 | qrq1 | somiaj So I should wipe out entire file? :D |
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| 14:54.30 | somiaj | qrq1: no |
| 14:54.43 | catsup | Featurefreak: i just found that by typing 'apt-cache search imap copy' |
| 14:54.52 | qrq1 | Somiaj http://paste.debian.net/127973/ |
| 14:54.56 | Featurefreak | catsup: cheers, i'll look into that. |
| 14:55.26 | somiaj | qrq1: remove lines 8 oneawrd (keep the first 6) |
| 14:55.34 | jelly | there's also imapsync and some others |
| 14:55.43 | jelly | offlineimap |
| 14:56.09 | qrq1 | somiaj OK |
| 14:56.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am pursuing the red hat RHCE certification from an institute and i have been asked to help for a Local Debian Certification. Can anyone give me links to good question banks and study material for Debian? |
| 14:57.39 | qrq1 | somiaj Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces |
| 14:57.57 | somiaj | qrq1: I don't know if that step is nessacary (I dno't use networkmanager myself) |
| 14:58.08 | somiaj | qrq1: you may have to restart the network manager (more likely the case) |
| 14:58.19 | somiaj | qrq1: /etc/init.d/networkmanager (or what ever the script is actually called) restart |
| 14:58.28 | somiaj | qrq1: then you should see the device in nm and be able to manage it with that |
| 14:58.48 | TBotNik | Morning All: Have PB at: http://pastebin.com/N02P9Qgn. Working on problem with DNS. some new app installed put in arpa and ldap, which assumed standard network and blew my non standard network. Box is actually a router and wlan0 in inet connect. It connects but has no DNS, even though config files are right. Had cleared all the arpa and ldap stuff, no good. The removed and re-install Network Manager, but still no good. |
| 14:59.16 | qrq1 | somiaj So how restart it? :D |
| 14:59.19 | TBotNik | Trying to figure out how to diagnose at current HDD boot state what my problem is. Keep having to boot liveCD to get on net here. All help appreciated. Notice screen errors say "see syslog" but syslog is blank. |
| 14:59.20 | qrq1 | Reboot? |
| 14:59.46 | somiaj | qrq1: that is one way. I told you the other, /etc/init.d/<name of nm init script> restart |
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| 15:00.00 | somiaj | qrq1: I don't know its actual name, figure it out, it isn't that hard. |
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| 15:01.09 | mutante | i have a package marked as dkpg status "ri". i would like to fix that and was told to "either install it, or make the system believe you dont want it installed." well, when i try to install it, i always get "already latest version" and thats it. if i look manually into dpkg status file i see it as "Status: deinstall ok installed". Now i am almost tempted to manually change it to "install ok installed" in dpkg/status. |
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| 15:02.02 | somiaj | mutante: apt-get --reinstall install <foo> |
| 15:02.10 | qrq | Somiaj Thanks It works now :) |
| 15:02.35 | qrq | But why it was blocked? |
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| 15:02.49 | qrq | On live CD it worked |
| 15:02.57 | mutante | somiaj: thank you! that helped |
| 15:02.57 | somiaj | qrq: did you not listen to anything I told you (and just leached out every small step from me) |
| 15:03.11 | j-tizzle | i'm running wheezy; after a reboot the fonts in all my gtk apps are bigger. can someone point me in the right direction to configure this? it seems to have a central configuration point. (i am not running gnome) |
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| 15:03.37 | somiaj | 07:39 < somiaj> nm ignores devices configured in /etc/network/interfaces -- so is it ignoring your whole wifi device or just that one ap? |
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| 15:03.42 | qrq | Somiaj Im not good at PC in general :D |
| 15:03.43 | enjoycrf | anyone using LMDE? |
| 15:03.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !lmde |
| 15:03.57 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 15:04.00 | somiaj | qrq: also someone was even kind enough to address you clearly, 07:46 < zykotick9> qrq, just to be clear /etc/network/interface can't have anything to do with your wlan0 or NM won't "manage" it (same point as somiaj above) |
| 15:04.11 | enjoycrf | dood im just asking lol |
| 15:04.30 | enjoycrf | are you taking crazy pills |
| 15:04.31 | somiaj | qrq: reading and understanding is helpful to get better. |
| 15:04.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enjoycrf: i use it . but its nothing different than testing, with additional packages and artwork |
| 15:04.44 | qrq | Somiaj OK :) |
| 15:04.55 | enjoycrf | this is for what kind of debian |
| 15:04.59 | qrq | Somiaj But I still dont understand that thing |
| 15:05.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it uses the same Debian Testing repositories. and uses its own repository for packages like firefox etc. |
| 15:05.10 | enjoycrf | its own os |
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| 15:05.28 | somiaj | qrq: what don't you understand...I had you delete the entry for wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces since that was what was causing nm to IGNORE your device |
| 15:05.34 | enjoycrf | this room is for debian server and os? |
| 15:05.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enjoycrf: this room is just for Debian GNU/ Linux. Not derivatives like Ubuntu, Mint-Debian, Knoppix etc |
| 15:06.03 | spliffi83 | hi folks! "/etc/rcK.d" does not exist on my debian squeeze. I get a wrong order when changing to runlevel 0, means, K02 can be started before K01 scripts...My question is actually, if "/etc/rcK.d" can be used to put your owns scripts in there. |
| 15:06.08 | somiaj | enjoycrf: this room is for debian stable (squeeze), not evern really for testing or unstable debian (much less any other distro) |
| 15:06.18 | qrq | Somiaj Why that entry was there? For security reasons or what? |
| 15:06.36 | enjoycrf | does this debian have compiz? |
| 15:06.40 | somiaj | qrq: I have no clue, most likely put there automically by the installer when you configured your device the first time |
| 15:06.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enjoycrf: yes it does |
| 15:06.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !compiz |
| 15:06.46 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:07.03 | enjoycrf | can u plz stop |
| 15:07.06 | enjoycrf | doing that |
| 15:07.11 | somiaj | qrq: the installer doesnt' assume you are going to run nm and uses the debian interface file to configure your device |
| 15:07.14 | enjoycrf | !stop |
| 15:07.14 | dpkg | Hammertime! |
| 15:07.15 | jelly | spliffi83: there is no /etc/rcK.d/ anywhere. |
| 15:07.45 | enjoycrf | how is the desktop diff from linux mint |
| 15:07.48 | enjoycrf | thats what im on now |
| 15:07.52 | qrq | Somiaj So next time when installing Debian if I will skip configuring network then there will be no entry in interfaces? |
| 15:07.53 | archetech | why doesnt gnome>places find my samba shareon lan server |
| 15:08.01 | somiaj | enjoycrf: goto #mint and ask them what differences they have from debian |
| 15:08.04 | spliffi83 | jelly: do I have another alternative? somehow the priority level is not always handled correctly |
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| 15:08.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enjoycrf: nothing different. uses the same Desktop Environments like GNOME , KDE , LXDE whiever you want |
| 15:08.23 | enjoycrf | would i be able to use this like mint? |
| 15:08.25 | somiaj | qrq: but then you won't be able to use the network to download packages. This is not a difficult concept, just remove the entry once you get nm setup |
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| 15:09.14 | qrq | Somiaj I install from dvd image |
| 15:09.21 | somiaj | enjoycrf: DEBIAN is not MINT -- most of us haven't used or tried these branches, ask mint what the difference is. |
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| 15:09.34 | somiaj | qrq: I'm done with this dead horse. Yes you can skip that step if you like. |
| 15:09.59 | qrq | :D |
| 15:10.59 | jelly | spliffi83: do you have parallel init script running enabled? |
| 15:11.26 | qrq | I got one last question |
| 15:11.33 | qrq | Really |
| 15:11.45 | enjoycrf | can i see some screen shots of what urs looks like |
| 15:11.56 | jelly | spliffi83: /msg dpkg concurrent boot |
| 15:12.31 | qrq | If I want install Debian with gnome only which image should I download? |
| 15:13.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | qrq: the first CD would do |
| 15:13.10 | qrq | How about Live Gnome DVD? |
| 15:13.39 | somiaj | enjoycrf: in debian you can run many different desktop enviorments and window managers. I use fvwm, if you want screenshots goto http://fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/ -- don't expect everyones debian to look the same, people configure it look like they want it. |
| 15:13.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | qrq: if you need a workable fresh Gnome Desktop out of the fox. The first CD would be enough. You can download the additional packages using the package manager |
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| 15:14.06 | somiaj | qrq: I would install a base system, then use tasksel or aptitutde to install gnome -- but yes you can find a gnome live cd to image from if that is your method. |
| 15:14.40 | somiaj | enjoycrf: the actuall look of your desktop is dependent on the software / windowmanager /desktop enviorment you want. |
| 15:14.47 | qrq | sh4d3sl4y3r Because when I installed from DVD One ( Not Live) it didnt add Windows to grub |
| 15:14.59 | qrq | Live DVD added |
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| 15:15.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | qrq: you can manually chainload ntldr from GRUB |
| 15:15.34 | enjoycrf | all those desktops look dinasaur |
| 15:15.50 | qrq | sh4d3sl4y3r Well ofcourse , the same I made NM working :D |
| 15:15.53 | enjoycrf | can i get osx look |
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| 15:16.10 | amphi | enjoycrf: the whole 'desktop' metaphor is antediluvian |
| 15:16.11 | enjoycrf | like macbuntu |
| 15:16.13 | qrq | Anyway thank you for help |
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| 15:16.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | somiaj: that fvwm looked cool. thanks. i would try it |
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| 15:17.00 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: be prepared for 'ugly' defaults, but with time playing with the config file you can do a lot with it |
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| 15:17.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | what is it based on? blackbox? |
| 15:17.47 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: fvwm is based on twm (its been around since 1993) |
| 15:17.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | twm ? cool |
| 15:18.07 | somiaj | twm is the original window manager |
| 15:18.21 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fvwm_family.svg |
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| 15:18.29 | amphi | sh4d3sl4y3r_: if you use a tiling WM, the issue of window decoration styles magically disappears ;) |
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| 15:20.13 | enjoycrf | can i get macbuntu on debian? |
| 15:20.17 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | somiaj: thanks mate |
| 15:20.21 | enjoycrf | and gnome |
| 15:20.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enjoycrf: if its a gtk based theme. yes you can |
| 15:20.37 | leefan | whats a good common partition table and type for an external harddrive that will possibly be used on linux windows and osx? |
| 15:20.43 | somiaj | enjoycrf: packages.debian.org (look for yourself) there are thousands of packages in debian |
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| 15:21.20 | enjoycrf | might have to jus install it and give it a go |
| 15:21.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | leefan: msdos |
| 15:21.41 | spliffi83 | jelly: yes, if parallel is standard ?! |
| 15:21.44 | leefan | hmmm |
| 15:21.47 | enjoycrf | how hard is it to install any of the linuxes on macbook pro |
| 15:21.58 | leefan | can osx write to ntfs? |
| 15:22.26 | zykotick9 | leefan, i don't think so (but i've never owned a mac) |
| 15:22.30 | leefan | i guess i'm in the wrong channel for that ^^; |
| 15:22.33 | Guest75263 | I'm installing debian using the netinst on an USB. When it gets to "Erasing data" it takes forever (it is a brand new 5400rpm SATA disk, 160GB, nothing on it), 2% in ~30 minutes. Any ideas as to why? |
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| 15:23.27 | qrq | Where I can find official repository list? |
| 15:23.32 | cahoot | Guest75263, I believe you can access a conole and check dmesg for errors |
| 15:23.59 | Guest75263 | Then if I'm skipping that step, and do the Guided LVM + encryption, I get "You have an unsecure SWAP, this will now terminate" type of warning, even though the swap was a volume situated inside the encrypted partition. |
| 15:24.10 | Guest75263 | Thanks cahoot, I'll do that. |
| 15:24.49 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://zensites.net/scrot1.jpg -- my current setup (with a screenshot of my laptop in the webbrowser (well part of it) |
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| 15:25.10 | leefan | ahh seems like i can get osx to write to ntfs with custom drivers |
| 15:25.14 | leefan | seem like a pain though... |
| 15:25.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | somiaj: l337 :D |
| 15:25.43 | leefan | all debian needed was ntfsprogs |
| 15:25.45 | leefan | haha |
| 15:26.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | seems like everyone is using chromium these days. good browser |
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| 15:27.01 | somiaj | got tired of iceweasle long ago and used iceape, but it was still clunky and had memory leaks |
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| 15:27.13 | Guest75263 | cahoot, It seems as the last thing in dmesg is that the install program loaded the support for the different filesystems (brtfs, xfs, jfs etc). No warnings. |
| 15:27.56 | jelly | spliffi83: it is, since squeeze. Read that factoid. |
| 15:28.31 | spliffi83 | jelly: so I need to disable the parallel processing to get strict order? |
| 15:29.13 | jelly | spliffi83: I _think_ it's either that, or configure the dependencies properly |
| 15:29.38 | spliffi83 | jelly: thx 4 now, I will try that.... |
| 15:29.58 | spliffi83 | jelly: can you give me a hint where to diable that option? |
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| 15:30.54 | kkulhavy | Hi |
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| 15:31.08 | jelly | spliffi83: type "/msg dpkg concurrent boot" in your irc client. Read what dpkg, the bot, writes in a private message |
| 15:31.31 | qrq | When installing nvidia drivers do I need to change manualy something in xconfig file? |
| 15:31.31 | kkulhavy | When I run firefox on a remote machine and firefox is already running on the local machine, it just adds a tab on the local machine |
| 15:31.44 | cahoot | Guest75263, then all is fin I guess ;) |
| 15:31.58 | kkulhavy | How do I make it really run firefox on the remote machine? |
| 15:32.44 | Guest75263 | cahoot, well... :-) |
| 15:32.52 | spliffi83 | jelly: thx, now i know what to do |
| 15:33.15 | qrq | Ehm |
| 15:33.16 | cahoot | kkulhavy, firefox no-local? |
| 15:33.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | qrq: just type nvidia-xconfig to enable the driver. then you can adjust the settings with nvidia-settings |
| 15:33.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | make sure you have those packages installed |
| 15:33.51 | qrq | sh4d3sl4y3r_ Ok , Thanks |
| 15:33.58 | cantido | kkulhavy: I think there is a switch your can pass to force a new session.. |
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| 15:34.40 | cahoot | kkulhavy, also -no-remote mightbe more correct - Im slightly confused |
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| 15:40.46 | kkulhavy | thanks! |
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| 15:44.01 | kkulhavy | -no-remote works for me |
| 15:44.07 | kkulhavy | I just wonder why there is no man firefox |
| 15:44.15 | kkulhavy | I wanted to see the available options |
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| 15:44.46 | qrq | Where can I found official debian repository list? |
| 15:45.20 | babilen | !tell qrq -about mirrors |
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| 15:45.32 | qrq | Thanks :) |
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| 15:46.02 | mutante | kkulhavy: man iceweasel |
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| 15:47.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | kkulhavy: firefox is rebranded as iceweasel under Debian . |
| 15:47.17 | qrq | main contrib non-free is enough? |
| 15:47.23 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi, I'm compiling a kernel and I've a little problem : http://pastebin.com/HBm5idZg So I don't find the good package. ncurses or ncurses-devel don't seem to exists. |
| 15:47.24 | somiaj | qrq: for most yes |
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| 15:47.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | koshieFinalReliz: install libncurses5-dev |
| 15:47.57 | koshieFinalReliz | sh4d3sl4y3r_, thanks ! |
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| 15:48.36 | orbital1 | hi |
| 15:48.38 | koshieFinalReliz | sh4d3sl4y3r_, and it works ;). You want a soda ? |
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| 15:49.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | koshieFinalReliz: ya someday mate :D |
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| 15:49.33 | koshieFinalReliz | sh4d3sl4y3r_, I don't understand ^^ (I'm not english) |
| 15:49.35 | orbital1 | when i su to a regular user from root, ipython goes colorless and tab completion stops working. What could be wrong? |
| 15:49.41 | koshieFinalReliz | Take a Guiness, if you prefer beer :) |
| 15:49.55 | pindemon | somiaj: I've understood why I cannot read as non-root those folders |
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| 15:50.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | koshieFinalReliz: lol thanks |
| 15:50.04 | rvsjoen_ | ok, I have an issue with backspace just wanting to type ^? |
| 15:50.08 | rvsjoen_ | anyone seen thise before ? |
| 15:50.10 | pindemon | the fix is far beyond my needs |
| 15:50.10 | somiaj | orbital1: maybe use su - <so you actually login as the normal user) |
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| 15:50.18 | iderik | How come my xterm colors aint changed, even tho i changed the settings in both "/etc/X11/app-defaults/xterm-color" and "~/.Xresources"? :/ |
| 15:50.18 | pindemon | so I will keep it as it is |
| 15:50.38 | somiaj | pindemon: you can't unroot those folders? That seems odd, but again I don't know how hfs+ support is |
| 15:50.42 | orbital1 | somiaj: no difference |
| 15:51.09 | pindemon | somiaj: I've found a very well explained post in ubuntu's forum regarding this |
| 15:51.18 | pindemon | how to "fix" it |
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| 15:51.25 | pindemon | but it's more that what I need |
| 15:51.27 | somiaj | pindemon: good, (: |
| 15:51.42 | pindemon | my worry now is that debian mount the partition rw |
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| 15:51.55 | somiaj | pindemon: can you just change the umask/dmask so a regular user can atleast read the folders |
| 15:52.05 | somiaj | pindemon: mount the partition as read-only (its an option in mount) |
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| 15:52.23 | pindemon | somiaj: if I declare it in /etc/fstab |
| 15:52.40 | somiaj | you can put mount options in /etc/fstab |
| 15:52.41 | Starman83 | which distro should I use, testing or unstable? |
| 15:52.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | which one is batter to use between noatime and relatime ? |
| 15:52.48 | pindemon | but if I don't declare it, how can I tell my system to mount it RO? |
| 15:52.59 | hroi | hello |
| 15:53.02 | nvz | pindemon: with the mount command |
| 15:53.02 | somiaj | Starman83: stable...unless you are a developer or want to fix anything that breaks and don't care about security |
| 15:53.03 | cantido | Starman83: if you dont know use stable |
| 15:53.06 | orbital1 | ah, upgrading with easy_install fixed it |
| 15:53.14 | nvz | hroi: howdy |
| 15:53.33 | somiaj | pindemon: give mount the correct option, man mount, search for read only |
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| 15:53.40 | Bartzy | There's a DNS cache in the DNS client in linux? |
| 15:53.44 | pindemon | yes, that I know |
| 15:53.45 | ferni | pindemon: if its already mounted, then mount -oremount,ro /path |
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| 15:54.13 | cantido | Bartzy: dns results have a TTL for a reason I guess |
| 15:54.17 | pindemon | what I'm asking is how to tell debian to NOT automount it as RW? only by /etc/fstab? |
| 15:54.32 | Starman83 | stable has old software, that#s the problem for me |
| 15:54.34 | Bartzy | cantido: How can I flush that cache ? |
| 15:54.35 | somiaj | pindemon: add the ro option to the list of options for that mount point |
| 15:54.37 | nvz | pindemon: are you using gnome? |
| 15:54.43 | pindemon | yep |
| 15:54.47 | pindemon | nvz: yep |
| 15:55.04 | nvz | pindemon: automount options in gnome are handled on a per-fs basis and can be configured in gconf-editor |
| 15:55.07 | Starman83 | I need to be able to use current versions of my bittorrent clients because old get blacklisted on popular trackers |
| 15:55.32 | cantido | Starman83: backports |
| 15:55.40 | jbeatty | Starman83: you can always upgrade manually or use backports |
| 15:55.43 | cantido | Starman83: or download lerss warez |
| 15:55.44 | somiaj | Starman83: get or create a backport....that is a silly reason to use an unstable system. |
| 15:56.16 | Starman83 | I see, is there a howto on how to use backports somehwere? |
| 15:56.26 | hroi | in my default install of debian server, I noticed that I have a 1GB tmpfs under /lib/init/rw/ and another one under /dev/shm |
| 15:56.41 | cantido | Bartzy: I dont know how to clear the cache.. it does seem that the glibc resolver does cache though |
| 15:56.51 | cantido | Bartzy: from a quick google or two |
| 15:56.51 | jbeatty | the only reason to use anything but stable is if you are knowledgeable enough to handle a broken system |
| 15:56.57 | somiaj | hroi: the amount being used is what matters, not the total size |
| 15:57.03 | jbeatty | and never use anything but stable on a server; testing doesn't get security updates |
| 15:57.16 | cantido | jbeatty: thats not really a reason, thats a condition |
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| 15:57.20 | somiaj | hroi: it doesn't reserve ram or take away from your ram if its not using the space. |
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| 15:57.30 | Starman83 | jbeatty: is that really the case? |
| 15:57.31 | pindemon | nvz: ok will look for it |
| 15:57.35 | hroi | somiaj: ok, I am runnign the server stable... just curious why there is a tmpfs mounted when i didn ask far it. |
| 15:57.41 | Starman83 | I thought they all receive security updates |
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| 15:57.55 | jbeatty | Starman83: no, testing moves too fast for security updates |
| 15:57.56 | hroi | somiaj: ohh, I see. it used to be that it took away from the ram right |
| 15:57.58 | barcel0 | hi! friend |
| 15:58.00 | jbeatty | stable gets them pretty much immediately |
| 15:58.01 | somiaj | hroi: those are defaults, and used by some applications. I forget why they are there, I just let them live there as they don't mess with things. |
| 15:58.09 | Starman83 | I see thanks |
| 15:58.10 | cantido | Starman83: testing is fine if you dont mind the level of security support of stable and can handle say your Xorg config totally breaking once in a while |
| 15:58.11 | jbeatty | cantido: true, but I think people capable of doing so should (just as bugtesters) |
| 15:58.29 | Starman83 | who needs xorg? ;) |
| 15:58.33 | cantido | Starman83: if you can't fix things/debug issues by yourself dont touch testing or unstable |
| 15:58.36 | jbeatty | what is Xorg? lol |
| 15:58.50 | somiaj | hroi: it is using your ram for the mount point, but the only ram that is actually used is under the 'Used' portion. The avail is just the max it can use if you tried to fill those points up. |
| 15:58.53 | barcel0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.01 | Starman83 | I might give backports shot |
| 15:59.04 | Starman83 | try it on a VM first |
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| 15:59.21 | barcel0 | there is no solution to the problem? |
| 15:59.54 | pindemon | nvz: schemas > apps > drivemount-applet > prefs ? |
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| 16:00.20 | somiaj | Starman83: unstable gets security updates fairly quickly (not as fast as stable) espically if a package gets stuck in experiemential. Testing has the worst security because you have to wait for the bugfix/security fix to filter though sid first. |
| 16:00.36 | somiaj | and that can take a few weeks or more at times |
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| 16:02.03 | Starman83 | somiaj: thanks |
| 16:02.13 | iderik | ahrhch |
| 16:02.16 | jbeatty | unstable is less stable than testing but more secure, right? |
| 16:02.18 | Starman83 | I can't have my system breaking all the time though and I am not a LInux developer |
| 16:02.40 | Starman83 | Maybe backports is the thing for me, given they have the software I want and up-to-date enough |
| 16:02.58 | somiaj | jbeatty: in the sense that bugfixes hit the upstream package (which gets into unstable) and a sepcial fix for any stable package from security.debian.org |
| 16:03.04 | nvz | pindemon: I'm not sure where it is exactly.. but I know its in there.. I doubt it has anything at all to do with drivemount applet |
| 16:03.05 | Starman83 | I am currently on ubuntu stable |
| 16:03.10 | Starman83 | But somehow I don't like it very much |
| 16:03.18 | somiaj | jbeatty: but the secuirty is a by product of keeping the most curnt packages as bug free/secure as they can. |
| 16:03.27 | pindemon | nvz: ok thanks, I look further |
| 16:03.58 | somiaj | jbeatty: and yes, it takes a while for a package to filter to testing so it can undergo some initial testing (removing many grave bugs before they have a chance to hurt testing) |
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| 16:04.05 | nvz | pindemon: look in system>storage>default_options |
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| 16:04.16 | nvz | pindemon: should be a per-fs set of mount options in there |
| 16:04.33 | nvz | pindemon: this is read by hal, not any applet |
| 16:04.37 | Starman83 | so testing receives security updates afterall? |
| 16:04.42 | jbeatty | Starman83: plenty of things to not like about Ubuntu, but if you're on 10.04 LTS, Debian 6 stable should be more current than *that* in many respects |
| 16:04.49 | pindemon | nvz: kk |
| 16:04.51 | jbeatty | Starman83: takes forever |
| 16:05.05 | Starman83 | I am on ubuntu 10.10 |
| 16:05.12 | jbeatty | We all recommend stable with backports if it's your primary/work system |
| 16:05.17 | somiaj | Starman83: once a package filters though unstable, which can take from 1 week to never |
| 16:05.23 | jbeatty | ah, 10.10 is garbage, do yourself a favor and switch to Debian ;) |
| 16:05.32 | Starman83 | Btw, is there a release-schedule for debian now or is it still a "ready when it's done" kind of philosphy? |
| 16:05.32 | hroi | somiaj: ok I am now reading that /lib/init/rw is used by the init process before hd partitions are mounted. |
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| 16:05.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jbeatty: yet another F**kbuntu basher eh? |
| 16:05.47 | hroi | somiaj: cant find an explanation for /dev/shm |
| 16:05.48 | jbeatty | Starman83: ready when it's done. Deadlines create half-ass work. |
| 16:05.48 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 16:06.01 | jbeatty | sh4d3sl4y3r_: not until 10.10, which is garbage no matter how you look at it. |
| 16:06.11 | somiaj | hroi: yea here my /lib/init/rw is only 5M max...not sure why yours is at a gig. |
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| 16:06.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jbeatty: U***tu is a overhyped garbage |
| 16:06.23 | jbeatty | plus it's less about Ubuntu (I use Trisquel on a machine) than about Canonical and Shuttleworth |
| 16:06.27 | Starman83 | "ready when its done" tends to take forever though :) |
| 16:06.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Trisquel is good |
| 16:06.47 | somiaj | Starman83: some prefer quality over speed. |
| 16:06.49 | cantido | jbeatty: Theres a few reasons why you might want testing on a "work" system.. it depends on your work |
| 16:06.50 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but nothing over Stock Debian |
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| 16:06.53 | jbeatty | Starman83: and people who want up-to-date stuff use backports or faster releases |
| 16:07.02 | somiaj | Starman83: would you want the person building your house to take short cuts to get it done on time, or ensure everythign is built well. |
| 16:07.16 | Starman83 | I#d really love to have a linux distro that 1. is fairly stable and 2. fairly up-to-date. Currently there doesn't seem to be a good compromise between the two |
| 16:07.27 | jbeatty | Starman83: Define stability. |
| 16:07.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | somiaj: my preaching is a bit different. "DADDY IS BETTER THAN SON" :P |
| 16:07.39 | cantido | Starman83: are you going to pay people to constantly update packages and test them? |
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| 16:07.56 | qrq | Whats a command for process manager? |
| 16:07.59 | somiaj | Starman83: debian is working on a rolling release, which will be what many people want..though there are still logistic issues about it and security |
| 16:08.04 | cantido | qrq: ps? |
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| 16:08.06 | somiaj | qrq: top |
| 16:08.14 | jbeatty | adding a rolling release debian won't remove stable, will it? |
| 16:08.18 | Starman83 | I also don't like the idea of distro-upgrades, I'd rather have a system that evolves as it goes |
| 16:08.20 | qrq | Thanks :) |
| 16:08.26 | jbeatty | rolling release, isn't that Sid? |
| 16:08.30 | cantido | Starman83: testing does that |
| 16:08.33 | somiaj | jbeatty: not at all, just another release you can choose from so there will be stable, testing, unstable and rolling |
| 16:08.36 | vvd | greetings, what is mounting all my drives (even those not in fstab) on squeeze to /media ? |
| 16:08.53 | Starman83 | Yes, i thought unstable was rolling!? |
| 16:09.00 | Starman83 | Testing is going into freeze now and then is it not? |
| 16:09.04 | cantido | Starman83: if things are constantly changing don't expect it to work like stable does.. i.e. it doesnt break configs etc |
| 16:09.18 | cantido | Starman83: testing get frozen before a stable release |
| 16:09.31 | Starman83 | Breaking configs is necessary sometimes |
| 16:09.34 | Starman83 | That's how I see it |
| 16:09.42 | cantido | Starman83: but that isn't "stable" |
| 16:10.00 | cantido | Starman83: having stuff not suddenly change is the point of stable |
| 16:10.01 | jbeatty | Starman83: you can't have your cake and eat it too |
| 16:10.05 | cantido | its nothing to do with uptime |
| 16:10.06 | Starman83 | I know, but if you want a fairly up-to-date system, there is no way around writing or merging configs sometimes |
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| 16:10.08 | jbeatty | a stable rolling release distro is a contradiction in terms |
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| 16:10.15 | Starman83 | I can live with that:) |
| 16:10.18 | somiaj | jbeatty: no, because sid isn't a realse. The rolling release will be updated once a month (or so) unlike sid which gets updated whenever the matainer makes a new package |
| 16:10.22 | jbeatty | stability requires age and thorough testing |
| 16:10.23 | cantido | Starman83: if you can debug stuff run testing |
| 16:10.41 | jbeatty | somiaj: so sid updates like arch, where rolling release will be twelve times a year? |
| 16:10.45 | cantido | Starman83: you get the 2 week (?) buffer from unstable, so its not going to break too much |
| 16:10.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Starman83: if you can fix your own stuff use a pin between Testing and Unstable |
| 16:11.00 | somiaj | jbeatty: so the rolling release will be snapshots of testing and/or sid, but will release occasionally and will get security/bug fixes like stable. |
| 16:11.25 | somiaj | jbeatty: as I said the actual logistics are still in the air. |
| 16:12.13 | Starman83 | When is this rolling release happening? |
| 16:12.51 | jbeatty | Starman83: when it's ready ;) |
| 16:12.56 | Starman83 | lol |
| 16:12.58 | Starman83 | great |
| 16:13.12 | Starman83 | Maybe they run out of Toy Story names |
| 16:13.12 | somiaj | http://cut.debian.net/ |
| 16:13.18 | Starman83 | And that's why everything takes so long |
| 16:13.21 | jbeatty | If you want a system that moves really fast, #archlinux is that way, but it's kind of a mess |
| 16:13.23 | Starman83 | They wait for another movie :) |
| 16:13.30 | jbeatty | I got fed up with Arch when we had the whole python3 fiasco |
| 16:13.43 | Starman83 | Yeah, i've heard of that |
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| 16:13.50 | somiaj | so arch is just like sid (but without testing/stable hiding in the background) |
| 16:13.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Arch mixes up free and nonfree under a single repository. better to use parabola over it |
| 16:13.56 | somiaj | gentoo is fairly similar to. |
| 16:14.08 | Starman83 | Gentoo is that compiling thingy right? |
| 16:14.16 | Starman83 | I want binaries |
| 16:14.18 | jbeatty | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I'm a Parabola user :D I'm on their Hackers page |
| 16:14.25 | Starman83 | Compiling tends to errors :) |
| 16:14.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Starman83: Gentoo has some prebuilt packages. but very ferw |
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| 16:14.32 | cantido | Starman83: there is nothing to stop you building your own stuff in ?/local you know right? |
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| 16:14.47 | Starman83 | I know, but I'm quite lazy too |
| 16:14.55 | cantido | Starman83: I.e. you could build stuff from svn,git if you want the bleeding edge |
| 16:15.05 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | if a distro supports non-free. its better to use different branches over mixing up packages like arch does |
| 16:15.14 | Starman83 | It doesn't have to be bleeding-edge, just not bleeding-age ;) |
| 16:15.24 | jbeatty | sh4d3sl4y3r_: it's best to just not support nonfree :P |
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| 16:15.38 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to get a list of programs which are (partially) swapped out? |
| 16:15.41 | Starman83 | Like lenny was just before squeeze |
| 16:15.45 | jbeatty | if a user wants to use nonfree, it's on him; we shouldn't support it at all because it's a mess to deal with |
| 16:15.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jbeatty: its best to use Micr0s0ft Wind0ws and their "Best Wind0ws Ever" versions |
| 16:16.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 16:16.25 | Starman83 | Debian stable releases tend to age at some point |
| 16:16.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | i wonder how it would end up if microsoft sponsors the Debian Project |
| 16:16.35 | Starman83 | With ubuntu at least there's a new release every half year |
| 16:16.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
| 16:16.36 | jbeatty | Windows users crack me up. "but 7 is such an improvement over XP!" yeah, it better be. They had 9 years. My little brother is 8 and he could improve an OS given 9 years of work. |
| 16:16.49 | Starman83 | But it has all the fuzzy unity crap too |
| 16:16.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | jbeatty: i still prefer Win2K Pro over any other editions |
| 16:17.20 | somiaj | Starman83: that is a misconception. It is usually a few pacakges people want newer, but the system itself works just fine and can run for many many more years. Newer is Better I think hurts many distros -- hence I'm a debian user. |
| 16:17.54 | Starman83 | I'm not for "newer is better", it's just some things have to be new to be able to use certain features |
| 16:17.59 | somiaj | Starman83: people who run servers actually prefer ltr (you don't want to do an upgraded every half-year and deal with any changes that often, its a lot of extra work) |
| 16:18.02 | cantido | jbeatty: people that mock windows crack me up ;) |
| 16:18.07 | jbeatty | Starman83: why would newer necessarily mean better? most of the GNU tools barely change over time. Hell, net_tools was recently removed from Arch because it hadn't been updated since 1997, but it still works! |
| 16:18.22 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | My problem with Ubuntu is their utter nonsense to endorse their distribution completely independent from GNU/Linux and Debian. as they write on their cd covers "Ubuntu is an Operating System" instead of a gnu/linux flavor |
| 16:18.24 | jbeatty | Starman83: there's really only one thing that is important to keep updated: the broswer |
| 16:18.28 | jbeatty | *browser |
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| 16:18.43 | Starman83 | Interesting |
| 16:18.48 | zophy | is debian 8 out yet ? |
| 16:18.50 | jbeatty | sh4d3sl4y3r_: try reading their press releases and Ctrl-F "Linux" or "GNU", nothing |
| 16:18.53 | somiaj | I've seen most ubuntu upgrades break something, so fixing things every 6 months is to much work. |
| 16:18.58 | Starman83 | Does the browser receive updates in stable? |
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| 16:19.02 | Starman83 | And I don't mean security fixes |
| 16:19.06 | jampola | the only important thing to keep updated is apache ^^ |
| 16:19.07 | cantido | sh4d3sl4y3r_: and we all know that the operating system is only the part that runs in supervisor mode right? |
| 16:19.07 | jbeatty | Starman83: see: backports |
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| 16:19.11 | rudi_s | Starman83: No, just security fixes. |
| 16:19.25 | somiaj | note security fixes includes bug fixes |
| 16:19.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its like they just fetch packages from sid deb-src's . build them. and make everyone believe as if its an userfriendly "free as in price" operating system |
| 16:19.45 | zophy | i boogie wit de firefox nightly |
| 16:19.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ignorant-friendly in my opinion |
| 16:19.55 | Starman83 | Ok, guys. I have to got. I'll try out backports in a Virtual machine and see if that is the way to go for me. Thanks for all your input, you've been really helpful and see ya! |
| 16:20.03 | cantido | sh4d3sl4y3r_: they also wrote their own event based init system |
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| 16:20.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cantido: a few modifications wont make it independent. |
| 16:20.19 | cantido | sh4d3sl4y3r_: debians accient sysvinit is totally fucked.. so give them that |
| 16:21.14 | cantido | there is plently of stuff that we can take from ubuntu and benefit from |
| 16:21.16 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cantido: using upstart wont give them the authority not to pay a tribute to the original authors who work on those 30,000+ packages |
| 16:21.36 | cantido | sh4d3sl4y3r_: so they have gone around and stripped out all the copyright notices? |
| 16:21.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cantido: i do that. specially their fonts and artwork :P |
| 16:22.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cantido: the normal newbie wont know how to read copyright notices. its not a bad idea to mention . "Ubuntu is a Debian GNU/ Linux derived distribution, developed by Canonical" |
| 16:22.31 | cantido | I dont see anywhere where they have explicity said "we made all of the software we ship" |
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| 16:23.21 | taequx | Hello guys. |
| 16:23.39 | cantido | sh4d3sl4y3r_: and everything is compiled by gcc so they should include "compiled with gcc, linked with eglibc" etc etc to everything? |
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| 16:24.20 | somiaj | sh4d3sl4y3r_: I don't want them to say debian in their notes...we get enough of them in here already |
| 16:24.26 | taequx | I've installed kdebluetooth, it works fine, but I would like to write a localization to it. I installed kde-i18n-pl, but KDEbluetooth isn't localized still. What should I do? Is there any way to write localization on my own? |
| 16:24.48 | taequx | I've got the same problem with KDE Network Manager. |
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| 16:24.58 | cantido | taequx: I would ask on the kde channels/list .. you might find a dev that can tell you how |
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| 16:25.11 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cantido: again you are mistaking. using a single package and an entire "Derived Work" of millions of people are different aspects . |
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| 16:26.38 | cantido | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Well, if Debian wanted that the licenses would include an attribution clause that enforces that |
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| 16:27.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | cantido: not enforcing something doesnt means it gives you the "ethical" authority to do anything. even there is no strict clause that adds you can use non-free packages. but we all know. its better to avoid them as much as you can |
| 16:27.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the relation between Red hat linuxes and Opensuse / Mandriva are different. they just use the RPM but are internally way different. If you look at the internals of ubuntu and debian testing / unstable. how different are they really? |
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| 16:28.18 | cantido | sh4d3sl4y3r_: mandriva comes directly from redhat.. just because its been a decade or so since the force doesnt change that |
| 16:28.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | and even running cat /etc/debian_version under ubuntu gives u a nice answer |
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| 16:28.28 | karlpinc | Will the kernel use multiple cpu cores when reading from /dev/urandom or do I need to start mutiple user-level processes? I'm filling a disk with random numbers and it's cpu bound. |
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| 16:28.52 | cantido | s/force/fork/ |
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| 16:30.02 | cantido | karlpinc: wouldnt that show in top.. i.e. if it was doing work on all the cores they would all show high load |
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| 16:30.52 | karlpinc | cantido: Sadly, instead of using a debian-live cd I used the install cd in rescue mode. No top, no vmstat, nothing to tell me what's going on. Plus, I've been running it for a while and don't want to start over unless it's really going to work. |
| 16:31.05 | iderik | How come my xterm colors aint changed, even tho i changed the settings in both "/etc/X11/app-defaults/xterm-color" and "~/.Xresources"? :/ |
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| 16:32.16 | karlpinc | iderik: Did you login again with something like su or 'bash -l'? |
| 16:32.53 | karlpinc | iderik: Oops, or start a new xterm (re-loggin in won't fix X settings.) |
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| 16:33.10 | iderik | karlpinc: i tried to reboot |
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| 16:33.36 | karlpinc | cantido: In other words, I'd just try it and see but I don't want to lose the cpu cycles I've already spent. |
| 16:33.46 | Coweater | iderik: did you mention switching to uxterm previously? there are separate settings for XTerm/UXTerm |
| 16:33.55 | iderik | karlpinc: i even did "xrdb -merge ~/Xresources" |
| 16:34.29 | karlpinc | iderik: I think Coweater points to the problem. |
| 16:34.40 | cantido | karlpinc: yeah, I can remember that cat /dev/urandom to a 160GB scsi disk on a 3ghz xeon box once took about 4 hours for me |
| 16:34.48 | Coweater | i'm not sure, but you did mention about using unicode yesterday i think |
| 16:34.57 | iderik | Coweater: oh man, you remember that :) yes, thats true! |
| 16:35.02 | karlpinc | cantido: Well I'm doing 2TB. |
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| 16:35.36 | iderik | Coweater: so ill try to change the commands inside Xresources from "xterm*background" to "uxterm*background" |
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| 16:37.21 | karlpinc | cantido: So, if I can cut the time down from 4 or 5 days to 1 day.... ( |
| 16:37.26 | karlpinc | butit's been a day already) |
| 16:37.33 | iderik | Coweater: is this "xrdb -merge ~/Xresources" a must after each c hange? |
| 16:38.52 | cantido | karlpinc: ouch |
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| 16:39.06 | iderik | its kind of hard to know, since most guides on google are different. seems like it has been some changes during the years |
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| 16:40.31 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can suggest which kernel image to use on EC2 for Squeeze? :) |
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| 16:42.42 | iderik | still no colors in UXTerm :/ |
| 16:42.56 | karlpinc | cantido: So, if anybody with multiple cores can run a simple test to check the cpu usage when running one instance of 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null' v.s. two instances of the same command I'd appreciate it. |
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| 16:43.43 | cantido | karlpinc: one sec :) |
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| 16:44.12 | wols_ | karlpinc: it is single threaded |
| 16:44.46 | karlpinc | wols_: :-( I guess I'll reboot from a live cd and start over using all 4 cores to dd to different parts of the disk. Thanks. |
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| 16:45.14 | wols_ | karlpinc: and how would this be faster?. and why dd at all? |
| 16:45.20 | cantido | wols_: two instances of dd does generate system load on another core.. |
| 16:45.42 | wols_ | karlpinc: dd is a classical case of i/o bound |
| 16:45.59 | karlpinc | wols_: Because it's cpu bound. I'm dd-ing to fill the disk with randomness before encrypting the disk. |
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| 16:46.17 | karlpinc | wols_: dding from /dev/urandom is cpu bound. :-( |
| 16:46.19 | wols_ | cpu that slow or ssd? |
| 16:46.53 | karlpinc | wols_: I suppose my math could be wrong, but not really. Just a sec and I'll get you the numbers. |
| 16:47.11 | cantido | dd can only pull 5MB/s out of urandom here.. |
| 16:47.35 | cantido | even a really shit SSD will have more IO bandwidth than that |
| 16:47.39 | ansgar | karlpinc: Sometimes writing 0's inside the encrypted volume is faster. |
| 16:47.54 | iderik | Could anyone please help me? I cant understand how it should be so hard to change colors in uxterm. ive been trying since last night :/ |
| 16:48.03 | karlpinc | wols_: Single core ntel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz. I get 50% cpu usage (due to hyperthreading or whatever it is) and I got only 9MB/sec to the disk. |
| 16:48.45 | karlpinc | ansgar: I thought of that, but it seems painful to try to really fill the disk that way. May as well start out 'clean'. |
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| 16:49.19 | simonlnu | iderik: using ~/.Xresources ? |
| 16:49.20 | ansgar | karlpinc: Why is it more painfull than dd from /dev/urandom and then creating the crypto volume? |
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| 16:49.47 | simonlnu | painful |
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| 16:50.31 | iderik | simonlnu: I am, check my msg like 20 lines up please :) |
| 16:50.42 | ChibaPet | Hello, all! I've got an odd issue that I'm unsure of how to resolve. I've got two of what should be identical Squeeze / Gnome 2 boxes in front of me, only in one, the volume control pops up a horizontally-oriented window and is not in the notification area, while in the other, it pops up a vertically-oriented control window and *is* in the notification area. Any ideas? |
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| 16:51.09 | Yamantaka | I have root access to a machine, how do I create a user and give it the ability to do "sudo" |
| 16:51.29 | karlpinc | ansgar: Because you know the dd will fill the whole disk whereas the fs has reserved blocks, etc. And I can dd and forget about it whereas the fs is created in the middle of doing other things, like installing, and I don't want to interrupt what I'm doing to wait. It may be more of a "brain thread" issue than anything else. |
| 16:51.29 | cantido | Yamantaka: adduser then visudo |
| 16:51.39 | Yamantaka | visudo userX ? |
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| 16:51.45 | ChibaPet | visudo alone |
| 16:51.47 | cantido | Yamantaka: visudo |
| 16:51.52 | ChibaPet | it edits /etc/sudoers |
| 16:51.53 | Yamantaka | how will it know that I mean that user? |
| 16:51.56 | Yamantaka | oh |
| 16:52.01 | Yamantaka | vi |
| 16:52.07 | ChibaPet | it will open /etc/sudoers and you can specify what you need to there |
| 16:52.28 | karlpinc | ansgar: And call me paranoid, but who knows just what the fs is doing and whether it's really writing, say, all the blocks it reserves for inodes. |
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| 16:53.54 | Yamantaka | I have no /etc/sudoers, the readme in /etc/sudoers.d/ says that as of some version of debian, now it's sudeors.d |
| 16:53.58 | karlpinc | !tell Yamantaka about sudoers |
| 16:54.00 | Yamantaka | do I create the file sudoers there? |
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| 16:54.38 | TheRedOctober | Greetings all. I am trying to script up some snapshots using virsh/KVM. How might one come up with a machine readable list a la 'virsh list' to do a 'for do' suite to clean up ma snapshots. |
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| 16:58.54 | Yamantaka | "dpkg -S build-essential" is how I search for a package? |
| 16:58.59 | Schoentoon | Can anyone here explain me how I add a new package to a personal apt server? |
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| 16:59.30 | Yamantaka | cause "man dpkg | grep search" produced the -S directive for searching for "filename" |
| 17:00.03 | cantido | Yamantaka: apt-cache search |
| 17:00.17 | cantido | Yamantaka: you're searching for a file? |
| 17:00.23 | Yamantaka | searching for a package |
| 17:00.32 | Yamantaka | the cache is what apt has remembered of my installations |
| 17:00.33 | Yamantaka | right? |
| 17:00.35 | Yamantaka | and my repos |
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| 17:01.42 | cantido | Yamantaka: apt-cache works on your sources |
| 17:01.54 | Yamantaka | what works on what I have installed currently? |
| 17:02.04 | babilen | Yamantaka: It is actually enough to add the user to the sudo group -- adduser THEUSER sudo |
| 17:02.05 | Yamantaka | something like on Red Hat "rpm -qa" |
| 17:02.06 | cantido | not sure why its called apt-cache.. |
| 17:02.34 | Yamantaka | yes babilen thanks, I read that in the message karlpinc sent |
| 17:02.45 | Yamantaka | from Squeeze onwards, adding the user to 'sudo' group works fine |
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| 17:03.53 | enjoycrf | dood im gona punch some of these admins face in |
| 17:03.53 | mutante | if you want "which package does this come from" there is "apt-file", i know not exactly what you said, but adding it anyways |
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| 17:03.53 | iderik | Anyone knows how to change colors on xterm? ive been trying with .Xresources and ran "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources". |
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| 17:04.23 | enjoycrf | this IRC bullshit is so unfair |
| 17:04.52 | Yamantaka | I just want to search through the packages that I have currently installed |
| 17:04.56 | karlpinc | !tell Yamantaka about search |
| 17:04.58 | Yamantaka | one moment to see 'man' |
| 17:05.17 | karlpinc | Yamantaka: For that I prefer "aptitude search '~ifoo'" |
| 17:05.38 | Yamantaka | ah, regex |
| 17:05.43 | Yamantaka | ok |
| 17:06.11 | jbeatty | enjoycrf: unfair meaning? |
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| 17:06.34 | enjoycrf | this guy quited me when the other guy was talking shit |
| 17:06.36 | karlpinc | Yamantaka: The aptitude docs are in html format file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude-doc/ |
| 17:06.48 | jbeatty | I don't see how that's "unfair" |
| 17:06.49 | cantido | babilen: I totally forgot about the sudo group.. that is a lot nicer than editing the sudoers |
| 17:06.55 | enjoycrf | nothing but admins and their suckups in here |
| 17:06.59 | jbeatty | but I agree, the customer service here is horrible. you should demand a refund! |
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| 17:07.37 | enjoycrf | no one resolves anything just bans and kicks |
| 17:07.51 | jbeatty | enjoycrf: you want some french cries with that whine? |
| 17:08.03 | enjoycrf | one guy can say all kinds of garbage and i get kicked |
| 17:08.25 | babilen | enjoycrf: Do you actually have a Debian related question? If you want to whine please do it elsewhere. |
| 17:08.54 | enjoycrf | no i need u to ban snoven |
| 17:08.55 | jbeatty | if you want to whine please take it to #someonewhocares |
| 17:10.11 | babilen | enjoycrf: Please try to stay on-topic. Thank you. |
| 17:10.17 | jhutchins_lt | enjoycrf: You are welcome to participate only in those fora where you approve of the moderation policy. |
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| 17:11.09 | enjoycrf | ok thx bye u fucking dorks keep the suckup going |
| 17:11.22 | babilen | cantido: Well, it is easier to achieve the "give me root" without knowing about the /etc/sudoers syntax and semantics, so I prefer it. It does by no means replace /etc/sudoers though. |
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| 17:12.49 | jbeatty | TIL moderation and staying on topic = sucking up |
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| 17:32.59 | unguest | now speaking of that rainbow cock. |
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| 17:33.34 | bicchi | I need some help with preseed for a Debian install. I am writing a preseed file and i wish that the target machine doesn't add the mirror repositories. i want to have a custom sources.list file with only the repositories I specify with "apt-setup /local**" |
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| 17:34.10 | unguest | will buy a rainbow cock. |
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| 17:38.51 | ksx4system | alert, somebody pastes some random spam on paste.debian.net |
| 17:39.06 | ksx4system | (illegal credit card/bank account seller) |
| 17:39.30 | ksx4system | if somebody knows paste.debian.net's admin - tell him! |
| 17:40.34 | jbeatty | ksx4system: that's amusing |
| 17:41.31 | jhutchins_lt | ksx4system: Did you consider contacting the person listed under "Admin"? |
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| 17:45.14 | sedulous | is it possible to redirect a UDP port without resorting to iptables DNAT / REDIRECT? particular case: a daemon that needs to be reachable over a UDP port < 1024 but does not require any other special privileges. thus it's configured to listen on a local port, e.g. 12345 and an iptables DNAT rule routes incoming traffic destined for the privileged port to 127.0.0.1:12345 |
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| 17:47.03 | sedulous | i'd like to make a debian package for that daemon but it's not reasonable to require users to implement iptables rules |
| 17:47.17 | sedulous | running it as root is also not acceptable |
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| 17:49.12 | Corey | sedulous: No, what you do is require root privs to start the daemon, then drop perms once it's bound the port. Y'know, like every other modern daemon? |
| 17:49.42 | sedulous | Corey: i'm not sure if that's easily possible in java without resorting to native code |
| 17:50.11 | jbeatty | ew, java |
| 17:50.12 | sedulous | it's a pure java daemon |
| 17:50.16 | jbeatty | there's your problem |
| 17:51.40 | sedulous | the cleanest way i can think of is using POSIX Capabilities, e.g. CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE |
| 17:52.32 | sedulous | however i'm not sure about the debian policies regarding these |
| 17:52.50 | sedulous | maybe there's a package that uses them to serve as an example |
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| 17:55.26 | cantido | jbeatty: java runs air traffic control among other things.. its not as bad as you think it is |
| 17:55.30 | MrL0ngbowman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.49 | Coweater | sedulous: http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/chrismay/entry/making_java_bind Seems to have a solution using the jsvc app in libcommons-daemon-java |
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| 18:00.28 | sedulous | Coweater: cool. if the native code part is in debian already, that's good enough for me |
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| 18:00.50 | Coweater | hmm, may not even require any code modifications, it sounds like you can just launch it with jsvc |
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| 18:12.53 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:22.54 | andref | hi, one small question, how to rwite a starting script, any tutorial there? |
| 18:23.58 | babilen | !tell andref -about init script |
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| 18:24.21 | andref | babilen: I want to do it good |
| 18:24.39 | andref | including special user |
| 18:25.18 | mutante | !tell mutante -about init script |
| 18:25.33 | babilen | mutante: /msg dpkg init script ;) |
| 18:25.45 | mutante | ok:) |
| 18:26.04 | babilen | andref: I don't understand -- You might want to read some of the other init script to see what is done there. |
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| 18:27.03 | andref | hmm... babilen If you make a httpd to start, you create an "http" user |
| 18:27.22 | andref | that runs the server |
| 18:27.25 | andref | ;) |
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| 18:27.56 | andref | if sb. hacks your http, he will just get the user account |
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| 18:29.09 | mutante | su -l <user> -c <command> ? |
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| 18:30.14 | sedulous | Coweater: commons-daemon is ideal |
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| 18:30.45 | andref | mutante: and I shoud do it in a "start section/function |
| 18:30.46 | andref | ? |
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| 18:31.56 | mutante | yes, well, at least have something like "case $1 in start)" |
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| 18:32.18 | babilen | andref: You might want to read "man start-stop-daemon" and http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit |
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| 18:33.36 | babilen | andref: But read the factoid dpkg sent you as well. Or rather the referenced documenation. (private message) -- As a starter you want to base your script on /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 18:33.50 | mutante | andref: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton as the bot said |
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| 18:47.59 | ivan__ | what packages does youtube need? i have flashplayer.. |
| 18:48.08 | mah454 | hello ... |
| 18:48.10 | wols_ | !tell ivan__ about install flash |
| 18:48.24 | wols_ | ivan__: I strongly suggest the non-free flash plugin |
| 18:48.49 | mah454 | in virt-manager "Localhost (QEMU) - Not Connected" . How can i connect this in terminal ? |
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| 18:49.49 | wols_ | !tell ivan__ about flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 18:50.55 | PerfDave | ivan__: You can use youtube-dl / clive if you want to avoid shitty proprietary crap like Flash |
| 18:51.31 | wols_ | ivan__: please do not message people in private. do it in the channel |
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| 18:51.52 | ivan__ | yeah i just installed nonfree flash lol i want to watch some videos right now... but why is it that you need debian disk to install packages.. |
| 18:52.09 | ivan__ | i just got squeeze clean install |
| 18:52.31 | ivan__ | i used to have some old version of ubuntu and i never needed disks.. |
| 18:52.58 | PerfDave | ivan__: Because your sources.list still has the install disk in? |
| 18:52.59 | wols_ | cause you set it up like this in your sources.list. pastebin your sources.list please |
| 18:53.04 | nsadmin | edit /etc/apt/sources.list then do aptitude update |
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| 18:53.29 | nsadmin | let them see it first, pastebin it |
| 18:53.52 | g3oM1 | what do i need to play wav files? |
| 18:53.58 | mah454 | in virt-manager "Localhost (QEMU) - Not Connected" and i can connect this in GUI . How can i connect this in terminal ? |
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| 18:54.20 | wols_ | g3oM1: nothing. |
| 18:55.01 | nvz | g3oM1: music123 will play em, audacity, totem, or any movie player.. etc.. |
| 18:55.04 | g3oM1 | why my debian cant play those files then? |
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| 18:55.11 | ivan__ | pastebin.com/DWC7uNGc |
| 18:55.22 | ivan__ | yeah its still says cdrom |
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| 18:55.30 | mah454 | g3oM1, install mplayer |
| 18:55.37 | g3oM1 | ok |
| 18:55.39 | mah454 | g3oM1, install mplayer and w32codec |
| 18:55.44 | nsadmin | so put # as first char of each cdrom line |
| 18:56.04 | nsadmin | when you do that, are all lines commented? |
| 18:56.18 | ivan__ | dont add anything? |
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| 18:56.43 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/DWC7uNGc |
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| 18:57.55 | ivan__ | should i not comment the contrib main? |
| 18:57.59 | ivan__ | or comment everything |
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| 18:58.14 | nsadmin | comment line 5, uncomment line 8 |
| 18:58.26 | wols_ | no you should comment the "deb cdrom" part |
| 18:59.03 | nsadmin | his secu.d.o is line 8 and is commented |
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| 18:59.56 | ivan__ | kk thanks |
| 19:00.05 | ivan__ | is this because i didnt connect to a network during install? |
| 19:00.16 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: For most implementations, a # comments everything up to a new line. |
| 19:00.35 | wols_ | ivan__: yes and no. line 8 is due to a lack of netwroking. line 5 is cause you installed from CD1 |
| 19:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Other styles of comments can span lines because they require an opening and closing mark. |
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| 19:01.36 | ivan__ | sorry about the "comment everything" my window wasnt wide enough so it looked like a new line :P |
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| 19:02.09 | mah454 | in virt-manager "Localhost (QEMU) - Not Connected" and i can connect this in GUI . How can i connect this in terminal ? |
| 19:02.19 | wols_ | !tell mah454 about repeat |
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| 19:02.56 | mah454 | wols_, tnx :) |
| 19:03.13 | Hasham | hi...where can i find oficial debian squeeze box cover...? |
| 19:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | mah454: Is there a #qemu support channel? |
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| 19:04.02 | wols_ | Hasham: not sure if there is one. there is the swirl however |
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| 19:04.08 | siefca | hi |
| 19:04.15 | wols_ | !tell Hasham about swirl |
| 19:04.25 | jhutchins_lt | Hasham: Debian doesn't make boxes, so there isn't an official image. |
| 19:04.31 | siefca | need to solve root-needed-for-backup problem |
| 19:04.49 | jhutchins_lt | siefca: Why is it a problem? |
| 19:04.55 | wols_ | siefca: you need to solve a "how to explain my problem so people on IRC can help" first |
| 19:04.58 | siefca | is there any mount option that would allow me to mount a whole filesystem with read permission to some user? |
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| 19:05.13 | siefca | i mean read permission on every file |
| 19:05.23 | wols_ | what type of filesystem? |
| 19:05.27 | siefca | ext2/3/4 |
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| 19:06.09 | siefca | i'm going to perform backup using LVM snapshots |
| 19:06.10 | wols_ | generally backup processes run as root for very good reasons |
| 19:06.19 | siefca | remote backups |
| 19:06.44 | Hasham | jhutchins_lt, i have seen one |
| 19:06.46 | siefca | i don;t want my backup host to have a root-access (even by sudo or by a a ssh key) to my server |
| 19:06.53 | siefca | or vice-versa |
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| 19:07.38 | wols_ | Hasham: every seller of pressed CDs has his own cover. in no way these are official |
| 19:08.11 | siefca | i thought there is some generic mount option that would force linux vfs to give some uid total read access to any file |
| 19:08.25 | wols_ | siefca: you allow the remote host read every file on your computer. this is as good as root access (more or less) |
| 19:08.34 | sweetandy | I recently wiped and installed Ubuntu 11.04 on an intel mac mini, leaving 20 GB hd space unformatted. Today I created a partition with that space and installed debian, and the debian installer failed to see the other installed operating system. |
| 19:08.49 | wols_ | sweetandy: normal |
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| 19:09.07 | wols_ | sweetandy: afaik ubuntu would do the same. that is if you talk about the bootloader |
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| 19:09.14 | sweetandy | Now, no bootable device can be found, even though I did not install grub there, even after I removed the debian partition |
| 19:09.33 | sweetandy | (via rescuecd) |
| 19:09.39 | wols_ | sweetandy: reinstall your ubuntu grub then. #ubuntu has a howto |
| 19:09.46 | packetwar | when I run apt-get autoremove, it says "1 not fully installed or removed." |
| 19:09.51 | packetwar | how can I determine which package is broken? |
| 19:10.02 | wols_ | packetwar: dpkg -l |
| 19:10.08 | packetwar | ty |
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| 19:10.16 | sweetandy | wols_, I mounted /dev/sda2 (ubuntu) and checked, grub is still there, and that partition is marked as "boot" |
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| 19:10.45 | sedulous | siefca: have you considered the alternative to create the backup on your server and chown the archives to a certain user or push them directly to your backup server |
| 19:10.56 | mah454 | packetwar, apt-get install -f |
| 19:10.59 | wols_ | sweetandy: but grub is not in your MBR anymore where it should be. which is why I told you to reinstall it. but this is all ubuntu related. ask them, not us |
| 19:11.11 | packetwar | mah454, I'd rather not force the package |
| 19:11.19 | wols_ | sedulous: nah. too sensible |
| 19:11.19 | sweetandy | wols_, I apologize for wasting your time |
| 19:11.20 | packetwar | I believe the broken package is the kernel |
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| 19:12.49 | packetwar | iF linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:12.51 | packetwar | oh boy |
| 19:12.52 | packetwar | I was right |
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| 19:13.28 | packetwar | how do I fix that? |
| 19:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | packetwar: aptitude -f install |
| 19:13.39 | siefca | sedulous: yes. i'll probably do it that way and put some result of find to preserve real ownership of files |
| 19:13.44 | mah454 | packetwar, uname -r |
| 19:13.47 | ivan__ | is there something else i need to change in sources.list because I cant update timezone with rdate |
| 19:14.05 | sedulous | siefca: there are backup solutions that preserve the ownership, e.g. "duplicity" or simply tar |
| 19:14.17 | ivan__ | wait sry not rdate |
| 19:14.35 | packetwar | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:14.42 | packetwar | is uname -r output |
| 19:14.52 | wols_ | packetwar: mah454 told you already? |
| 19:15.03 | packetwar | I should force it anyway? |
| 19:15.36 | mah454 | packetwar, apt-get install inux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:15.52 | mah454 | packetwar, excuse me apt-get install --reinstall inux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:16.25 | somiaj | s/inux/linux/ |
| 19:16.45 | ivan__ | sorry nvm |
| 19:17.55 | packetwar | hmm ftp is a little slow |
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| 19:18.59 | siefca | sedulous: i'll read about dup more, thx, although currently used rsync |
| 19:19.40 | mah454 | packetwar, what is your CPU ? |
| 19:19.52 | packetwar | uh 1 sec and I'll check |
| 19:19.55 | packetwar | this is a VPS |
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| 19:20.26 | packetwar | Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3440 @ 2.53GHz |
| 19:20.30 | packetwar | not too shabby |
| 19:20.39 | mah454 | packetwar, ok |
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| 19:20.59 | wols_ | packetwar: is this vps using xen? a VPS guest rarely has its own kernel |
| 19:21.07 | packetwar | yes it's using xen |
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| 19:21.52 | mah454 | packetwar, what is your operating system architecture ? (32bit Or 64bit) |
| 19:22.03 | packetwar | 64bit |
| 19:22.27 | packetwar | Linux accelerated-e.com 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:42:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:24.30 | daemonkeeper | The kernel is not an evident proof for your system architecture |
| 19:24.52 | packetwar | oh |
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| 19:25.31 | nvz | well with an amd64 kernel it is... heh.. just may not be indication of the userland architecture |
| 19:25.34 | daemonkeeper | Its perfectly possible to run an AMD64 kernel with a 32 bit userland. |
| 19:25.50 | nvz | but its certainly an indicator of having amd64 architecture |
| 19:25.51 | mah454 | daemonkeeper, How can understand what is architecture OS ? |
| 19:26.10 | nvz | mah454: you use dpkg for that |
| 19:26.27 | daemonkeeper | If you have dpkg-dev, use: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH |
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| 19:27.09 | joeSimpson | Is it possible to enable kernel modules in a chroot'ed environment |
| 19:27.22 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: dpkg --print-architecture ? |
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| 19:28.03 | nvz | joeSimpson: theoretically if the modules dir, /dev and /proc were bind mouted inside the chroot |
| 19:28.19 | joeSimpson | uhm i will see thx |
| 19:28.28 | mah454 | daemonkeeper, tnx .. |
| 19:28.38 | nvz | seems to defeat the purpose of a chroot though |
| 19:28.47 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: err, right. Too much development recently, that's probably easier :) |
| 19:28.51 | nvz | cause you gained no security what-so-ever if they can do all that |
| 19:29.02 | joeSimpson | i know its a little dtbownload box i cant get the firmware off |
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| 19:29.17 | nvz | heh |
| 19:29.23 | nvz | nice typo |
| 19:29.28 | packetwar | dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH says amd64 |
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| 19:29.56 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i think yours is deprecated anyway |
| 19:29.58 | daemonkeeper | packetwar: My answer wasn't wrong, but abrotman's is easier :) |
| 19:30.20 | joeSimpson | oh i have nothing in /lib/modules :O |
| 19:30.20 | yann2 | hello! I just spotted a minor bug in systemd in testing (missing dependancy) what would be the easiest way to report it? coming from the ubuntu world so fairly unfamiliar with debian bug reports |
| 19:30.47 | joeSimpson | yann2, ont a bosser ensemble |
| 19:30.50 | joeSimpson | ;) |
| 19:30.54 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Do you have any source? |
| 19:31.00 | yann2 | joeSimpson, ? :) |
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| 19:31.07 | joeSimpson | chez orbus |
| 19:31.15 | jhutchins_lt | yann2: reportbug |
| 19:31.16 | joeSimpson | bref |
| 19:31.19 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: let me look |
| 19:31.30 | mycae | Hello, does anyone know of a tool that can auto-clean patches which have whitespace only changes? I have been given a large patch, and most of it is editor tab/space conversion junk. |
| 19:31.40 | jhutchins_lt | yann2: However, perhaps wwe could help you confirm it (or someone in #debian-next on oftc.net could). |
| 19:32.06 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: oh, maybe i had that backward :) |
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| 19:32.22 | nvz | mycae: sounds like you could do that with sed, perl, or any editor or command interpreter |
| 19:32.37 | mycae | yes, but that is not a straightforward thing to do |
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| 19:33.00 | nvz | my man, there are few things in the programming world more straightforward than a regular expression |
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| 19:33.04 | mycae | its possible, but would take me a few housr to implement |
| 19:33.09 | yann2 | jhutchins_lt, it is in systemd, and the systemd-analyse tool - it complains about a missing module. I think it needs the "python-dbus" package, which is unfortunate as it has many dependancies. Maybe it should be packaged separately? it won't work without that though |
| 19:33.13 | white_magic | is it possible to run a 32bit binary in a 64bit linux environment? |
| 19:33.19 | nvz | mycae: apparently you've never heard of a regular expression |
| 19:33.21 | mycae | i have |
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| 19:33.27 | mycae | but it takes time to get it right |
| 19:33.38 | nvz | rolls his eyes |
| 19:33.57 | nvz | y'know getting rid of whitespace is not rocket science |
| 19:33.59 | jhutchins_lt | yann2: Python stuff has a lot of dependencies, but once you get a python install it should cover most new python apps. |
| 19:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | yann2: Is the dependency not currently in wheezy? |
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| 19:34.25 | mycae | its not hey, s/^+\t*\(.*\)\n^-\ (\(.*)\n// -- look fixed |
| 19:34.33 | yann2 | jhutchins_lt, I dont think so, I installed that server today |
| 19:34.39 | mycae | its more than just that. |
| 19:34.43 | mycae | and the above is probably wrong. |
| 19:35.10 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions python-dbus |
| 19:35.10 | judd | Package python-dbus on i386 -- lenny: 0.82.4-2; squeeze: 0.83.1-1; sid: 0.84.0-2; wheezy: 0.84.0-2 |
| 19:35.26 | yann2 | thought I'd give systemd a try, and came across this error - so thought it was worth reporting :) |
| 19:35.26 | jhutchins_lt | yann2: Looks like it's there. |
| 19:35.31 | nvz | mycae: the compiler will ignore the whitespace anyhow |
| 19:35.37 | mycae | I'm reviewing the patch |
| 19:35.47 | packetwar | my apt reinstall seems hung |
| 19:35.51 | xingu | mycae: patch(1): --ignore-whitespace ? |
| 19:35.52 | yann2 | really? mmmh. must be fairly recent :) in what package is that dependancy? |
| 19:35.59 | packetwar | and it's killing the server |
| 19:36.11 | jhutchins_lt | mycae: The patch might be important for future maintenance. |
| 19:36.11 | yann2 | I just apt-get install systemd - which installed systemd-analyse, but definitely not python-dbus |
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| 19:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | yann2: So the problem is that it should have required it? |
| 19:37.09 | yann2 | jhutchins_lt, systemd-analyse won't work without it, as far as I can tell |
| 19:37.26 | yann2 | systemd-analyse I mean |
| 19:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, now THAT would be a packaging bug. |
| 19:37.56 | yann2 | I guess ;) |
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| 19:38.13 | jhutchins_lt | yann2: I would try contacting the maintainer first, then just do a standard reportbug. |
| 19:38.21 | jhutchins_lt | !reportbug |
| 19:38.21 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 19:38.28 | yann2 | once you install python-dbus *and* start dbus, systemd-analyse works great |
| 19:38.48 | yann2 | I ll try to send a mail to the maintainer, sounds like a good idea, thanks |
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| 19:40.09 | zykotick9 | white_magic, usually yes. Start by installing the ia32-libs package. |
| 19:41.07 | yann2 | erf, I think I know the maintainer :x |
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| 19:41.32 | white_magic | zykotick9: i'm on it |
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| 19:42.45 | mah454 | ia32 is a hardware architecture ? |
| 19:42.58 | white_magic | no.. |
| 19:43.07 | daemonkeeper | Depends. |
| 19:43.17 | white_magic | but it allowed me to run a 32-bit binary |
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| 19:44.03 | ivan__ | im trying to get irssi working but I think the standard terminal doesnt let it change themes, is there an easy fix |
| 19:44.44 | daemonkeeper | IA32 is one of the names, for a particular x86 architecture, but its not very widely used outside Intel marketing speech I think. |
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| 19:44.45 | mycae | xingu, Cheers, that works well enough |
| 19:45.19 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi |
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| 19:46.02 | koshieFinalReliz | I'm trying to compile my kernel (for grsecurity) and I've a question : It's on a dedicated server, so if I'm installing it and if it don't work. How can I boot on my server with the normal kernel ? |
| 19:46.21 | koshieFinalReliz | Because I've not a menu like GRUB at boot :) |
| 19:46.23 | daemonkeeper | You can't. |
| 19:46.28 | koshieFinalReliz | Oh goosh. |
| 19:46.42 | daemonkeeper | You need/want a KVM console to achieve that. |
| 19:46.46 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: grub might be able to help you.. |
| 19:46.48 | koshieFinalReliz | So I need to use a chroot to connect to the partition and erase the «bad» kernel ? |
| 19:46.52 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: you can set a temp default IIRC |
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| 19:47.11 | koshieFinalReliz | daemonkeeper, I think too. |
| 19:47.14 | daemonkeeper | koshieFinalReliz: Well, you need any given method for out of band access |
| 19:47.29 | mah454 | koshieFinalReliz, what is your boot loader ? |
| 19:47.45 | koshieFinalReliz | mah454, it's GRUB but I don't have access to it when it's booting |
| 19:47.56 | koshieFinalReliz | I need to wait for the boot and connect with ssh |
| 19:48.03 | daemonkeeper | If your kernel does not boot up into a network ready mode, you obviosuly need some out of band access to switch back to the old kernel |
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| 19:48.09 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: you can give grub hints while you are booted.. look at grubs docs |
| 19:48.29 | cantido | daemonkeeper: or have the kernel panic and reset into the working kernel |
| 19:48.35 | koshieFinalReliz | cantido, What I want to say is : If I've access to Grub menu I can choose a kernel, and not the bad kernel. |
| 19:48.54 | daemonkeeper | cantido: A kernel panic is only one of many possible reasons why you don't see a SSH prompt |
| 19:49.01 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: I think you can set the default kernel for a single boot via grub default or something |
| 19:49.13 | daemonkeeper | And grub's failsafe mechanism can only help to come over a panic |
| 19:49.17 | yann2 | jhutchins_lt, ok just mailed the maintainer, thanks for your help! I actually worked with him 5 years ago, the ubuntu/debian world is definitely fairly small ;) have a nice day |
| 19:49.17 | cantido | daemonkeeper: he should have reboot access on a dedi at least |
| 19:49.26 | daemonkeeper | cantido: At very least. |
| 19:50.09 | koshieFinalReliz | I'm using a dedicated server, so I don't have access to GRUB menu. It's my problem, if that is on my computer for example I can choose an other kernel, once is work |
| 19:50.26 | koshieFinalReliz | (sorry for this UGLY sentence :/) |
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| 19:50.52 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: in your control panel you should have at least remote boot |
| 19:51.05 | koshieFinalReliz | Yes, for chroot |
| 19:51.07 | koshieFinalReliz | (for example) |
| 19:51.10 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: and you should be able to request KVM over IP via support |
| 19:51.22 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: what has chroot got to do with rebooting? |
| 19:51.22 | koshieFinalReliz | Ah ? I'm watching that. |
| 19:51.23 | daemonkeeper | koshieFinalReliz: Sure, its absolutely no problem to do that locally. But you rely on a working network connection |
| 19:51.42 | daemonkeeper | And a working network connection implies a working kernel |
| 19:51.53 | koshieFinalReliz | cantido, If it don't work and if I don't have an access to GRUB menu I can chroot my / to erase the bad kernel |
| 19:52.35 | koshieFinalReliz | In my panel for example I've a rescue mode, that allow me to boot on other OS (like Ubuntu) to fix some problem, in chroot for example |
| 19:52.40 | koshieFinalReliz | That's my idea if it don't work. |
| 19:52.47 | packetwar | hmm box totally choked, I think it swapped out way too much stuff |
| 19:52.52 | koshieFinalReliz | But I think I need to virtualise |
| 19:53.11 | cantido | koshieFinalReliz: you can use grub-default to set the kernel you want to boot from the chroot |
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| 19:53.18 | cantido | I think its called that anyhow |
| 19:53.48 | koshieFinalReliz | cantido, or that yes |
| 19:54.32 | koshieFinalReliz | but if it's not booting my kernel's not working, so I don't need to preserve it. Just to erase and do it again |
| 19:54.35 | deadbeef | hello guys, a friend of mine told me about DEBIAN, this new distribution based on UBUNTU |
| 19:54.35 | deadbeef | where do i find informations about it |
| 19:54.35 | koshieFinalReliz | and fix the problem |
| 19:54.45 | koshieFinalReliz | x) |
| 19:54.48 | zykotick9 | koshieFinalReliz, you might want to have a look at grub-reboot for testing purposes |
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| 19:54.49 | koshieFinalReliz | Wtf, too big ! |
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| 19:55.05 | koshieFinalReliz | zykotick9, maybe, I will look that |
| 19:55.22 | koshieFinalReliz | deadbeef, debian is definitely a bad distribution, don't move from Ubuntu. |
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| 19:57.32 | koshieFinalReliz | Seriously, /j #freebsd |
| 19:57.36 | koshieFinalReliz | oups. |
| 19:57.38 | koshieFinalReliz | (: |
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| 19:59.40 | spacepluk | hi, I'm trying to apply workaround this bug using the patch provided http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627884 |
| 20:00.30 | spacepluk | but, I can't compile ssldump from source. It says libpcap is not installed but it's actually there. Any idea? |
| 20:01.01 | wols_ | have you installed the -dev package for libpcap? |
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| 20:01.56 | dym | Hey - can i state a policyd-weight question on here? |
| 20:02.02 | spacepluk | wols_: yep |
| 20:02.28 | wols_ | spacepluk: did you install build deps for ssldump? and if yes: check your configure log |
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| 20:03.10 | wols_ | spacepluk: asking if you can ask is wasting other people's time |
| 20:03.20 | spacepluk | wols_: yes, where is the config log? |
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| 20:04.05 | dym | Hey - this is a kinda Spam/policyd-weight question, but maybe someone can clear things up - why was this mail not delivered? http://pastebin.com/Q1B7j829 cause missing DNS? i dont see any... |
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| 20:05.10 | spacepluk | wols_: oh, now I understand |
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| 20:06.13 | petern_ | dym, might be that the RDNS doesn't match... but it shouldn't need to |
| 20:06.14 | wols_ | dym: it clearly says why in this log. twice. Recipient address rejected: No DNS entries for your MTA, HELO and Domain. |
| 20:06.39 | dym | wols_: its odd, since theys have entries. |
| 20:06.41 | dym | i checked |
| 20:06.46 | dym | petern_: thats what strikes me too... |
| 20:07.10 | spacepluk | wols_: http://pastebin.com/qp45S2gV |
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| 20:08.08 | symtab | hi |
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| 20:08.27 | wols_ | spacepluk: what's that paste supposed to tell me? |
| 20:08.33 | symtab | any ideas what the problem is: |
| 20:08.35 | symtab | http://pastebin.com/UiFJvycR |
| 20:08.36 | symtab | ? |
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| 20:08.56 | wols_ | symtab: the first problem is your broken enter key. it activates without cause |
| 20:09.32 | symtab | wols_, can you please explain, its been some time since i used iptables |
| 20:09.42 | symtab | broken enter key |
| 20:09.43 | symtab | ahh |
| 20:09.54 | wols_ | yes. happens again right now, you see? |
| 20:10.06 | symtab | you mean i'm spamming? |
| 20:10.12 | spacepluk | wols_: I don't know just wondering if you have any idea |
| 20:10.20 | wols_ | no I mean your enter key is broken. please fix it |
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| 20:10.28 | wols_ | spacepluk: check your configure log |
| 20:10.38 | symtab | well i dont see how its broken |
| 20:10.40 | symtab | it works for me |
| 20:10.50 | wols_ | yes, it works way to often and to hard. /msg dpkg enter |
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| 20:11.57 | symtab | wols_, if you dont want to help just say it, its not a problem |
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| 20:21.28 | andref | hmm... were is boot log file? |
| 20:21.42 | andref | !boot log |
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| 20:22.18 | andref | dmsg does not work :/ |
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| 20:22.45 | andref | dmesg |
| 20:22.48 | babilen | !bootlog |
| 20:22.49 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages and is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 20:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | !iptables |
| 20:22.52 | babilen | andref: ^^^ |
| 20:23.20 | andref | babilen: yes, I've done that |
| 20:23.41 | jhutchins_lt | !tell andref about iptables |
| 20:23.41 | andref | but there is nothing in /var/log/boot |
| 20:23.47 | babilen | andref: good, /var/log/boot it is then |
| 20:23.56 | jhutchins_lt | !tell symtab about iptables |
| 20:23.59 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry andref |
| 20:24.00 | andref | babilen: it is empty |
| 20:24.34 | jhutchins_lt | andref: read that message from dpkg veeery carefully. The first sentance in particular. |
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| 20:24.49 | babilen | andref: Did you boot since you've changed the default setting? |
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| 20:25.12 | andref | yes |
| 20:25.17 | andref | ofcorse |
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| 20:26.02 | babilen | andref: Care to let us take a look at /etc/default/bootlogd? |
| 20:26.41 | andref | BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes |
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| 20:27.59 | andref | babilen: something appeard |
| 20:28.03 | andref | in boot |
| 20:28.05 | andref | :> |
| 20:28.10 | andref | impossible |
| 20:28.27 | andref | I've entered again and there is the log |
| 20:28.48 | jhutchins_lt | !enter |
| 20:28.48 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:30.02 | Yamantaka | anybody know about the nagios repo? I'm asking in #nagios but no answer |
| 20:30.18 | Yamantaka | the line I need to add to my sources.list to be able to do update and grab what I want through apt..of course |
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| 20:31.44 | twobitsprite | there's a nagios repo? |
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| 20:32.30 | twobitsprite | and it doesn't tell you what to add to your sources.list? |
| 20:32.40 | nkuttler | Yamantaka: but nagios is in debian already.. |
| 20:33.08 | _cynep | apt-get update , apt-get install nagios |
| 20:33.12 | Yamantaka | meaning I can search for its plugins normally through apt-get? |
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| 20:33.46 | Yamantaka | yeah, there's this http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nagios-plugins |
| 20:33.47 | Yamantaka | :o |
| 20:33.47 | Yamantaka | ok |
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| 20:34.10 | twobitsprite | yeah, I see a lot of nagios packages |
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| 20:34.46 | hfuller | I have some interesting X issues. Running "X -configure" yields: "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. |
| 20:34.46 | hfuller | " |
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| 20:36.03 | Yamantaka | but what is the whole nagios repo address |
| 20:36.31 | Yamantaka | any idea? |
| 20:36.35 | twobitsprite | Yamantaka: we don't know what you're talking about... what nagios repo? what's wrong with the packages in the debian repo? |
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| 20:36.40 | hfuller | If I uninstall the intel driver, I can generate a config that uses vesa driver, but this doesn't work and I also can't start X with this configuration... |
| 20:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | Yamantaka: That's now how most packages/projects work with debian. |
| 20:36.54 | Yamantaka | alright |
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| 20:37.09 | Yamantaka | it's just another "sysadmin" is working with me on this issue of migrating from nagios to Opsview |
| 20:37.16 | Yamantaka | and the migration is complaining about missing plugins |
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| 20:37.36 | Yamantaka | well thank you either way :) \ |
| 20:37.45 | twobitsprite | Yamantaka: does it give you a filename for the plugins? if so you can search apt-file for them |
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| 20:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | Yamantaka: As far as I know nagios does not provide Debian packages. Debian maintainers take the nagios source code, compile it, and produce Debian packages that are posted to Debian's repositories. |
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| 20:39.40 | Yamantaka | take me to your leader |
| 20:40.29 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icinga |
| 20:40.32 | judd | Package icinga on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.2-2; lenny-backports-sloppy: 1.4.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 1.4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.4.2-1+b2; sid: 1.5.0-2 |
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| 20:41.02 | jhutchins_lt | Yamantaka: ^^^ fork of nagios hoping for more rapid development. |
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| 20:45.16 | Yamantaka | ok, there's already a package called nagios-plugins, from this repo "http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nagios-plugins" |
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| 20:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | Yamantaka: Argument against opsview: http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2009/06/opsview-nagios-is-simpler-better/ |
| 20:45.29 | Yamantaka | that's...not a repo actually, is it |
| 20:45.46 | Yamantaka | I'll read, thank you |
| 20:45.50 | jhutchins_lt | Yamantaka: Nope, that's a package. |
| 20:45.56 | Yamantaka | yes well that exists :) |
| 20:45.57 | Yamantaka | as you saiod |
| 20:46.03 | Yamantaka | -o |
| 20:46.29 | jhutchins_lt | Yamantaka: Basically argues that GUI only interfaces generate human error, while text-based configuration can be scripted for consistent results. |
| 20:46.53 | Yamantaka | I went through Opsview when I was instructed to look around and see how it differs |
| 20:47.15 | Yamantaka | I felt that there was in the cockpit of a car |
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| 20:47.23 | Yamantaka | and a car does not have a cockpit |
| 20:47.31 | Yamantaka | that's for airplanes |
| 20:47.44 | Yamantaka | but the guys have moved to a "data center" as far as he said |
| 20:47.48 | jhutchins_lt | Well, race cars... |
| 20:48.13 | Yamantaka | so naturally, lil ol' nagios (he says) won't cut it anymore] |
| 20:48.17 | Yamantaka | but he should read this |
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| 20:56.35 | jhutchins_lt | A friend of mine works for a global engineering firm (HNTB) and he uses Nagios to monitor their international network of servers. |
| 20:57.38 | jhutchins_lt | When you have a few hundred servers that need to be updated, it's REAL nice to be able to write a quick bash for loop instead of having to click through on each individual server. |
| 20:58.54 | xingu | jhutchins_lt: my standard rule of thumb is - automate the first install, and the rest will take care of themselves. |
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| 20:59.34 | ompaul | xingu: and the rule of index finger is point elsewhere for guilty parties |
| 21:00.12 | jhutchins_lt | Nice article on Structured System Management; http://blog.lastinfirstout.net/2008/04/ad-hoc-verses-structured-system.html |
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| 21:04.25 | Yamantaka | my aliases ought to be added to .bashrc? |
| 21:05.06 | andref | yes |
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| 21:05.44 | andref | hmmm.... any idea why my very first init script is not working :>? |
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| 21:06.34 | ivan___ | anyone know how I could change terminal color only when running my irc client? |
| 21:07.06 | andref | ivan___: what is the name of that client? |
| 21:07.28 | andref | ivan___: xterm? |
| 21:07.51 | ivan___ | irssi |
| 21:08.14 | Yamantaka | your very first init script, andref ? |
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| 21:08.33 | Yamantaka | `very first` and `init` have `process` between them, as far as I know |
| 21:08.36 | abrotman | xterm is an irc client? |
| 21:08.38 | Yamantaka | it's the very first process |
| 21:08.39 | Yamantaka | :P |
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| 21:10.43 | sweetandy | is upgrading to wheezy as simple as changing the /etc/apt/sources.lits file? |
| 21:11.06 | sweetandy | .list* |
| 21:11.36 | andref | Yamantaka: :> Logs in /var/log/boot says nothing about my script |
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| 21:12.23 | Yamantaka | I'm not very versed in this kind of thing, sorry |
| 21:12.31 | Yamantaka | but what if you let a daemon run it? |
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| 21:12.59 | Ian1 | hey guys, I am installing debian stable via net on my laptop, and I have wpa2 but when I enter my key, debian said "wep key ... is wrong" |
| 21:14.33 | andref | Yamantaka: than nothing happens |
| 21:14.40 | andref | then |
| 21:14.45 | Yamantaka | because it's a daemon |
| 21:15.16 | ivan___ | does debian support wpa preinstall? i thought you needed wpasupplicant and all that |
| 21:15.38 | andref | Yamantaka: yeah,but no signs of process |
| 21:15.58 | babilen | lahwran: wpa/wpa2 is not supported |
| 21:16.27 | babilen | lahwran: Sorry, ENICK |
| 21:16.38 | babilen | Ian1: ^^^^ |
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| 21:17.45 | andref | Yamantaka: maybe is it possible to see if it starts? or not and why? |
| 21:17.54 | Ian1 | babilen, ok thx bro |
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| 21:19.09 | alexb_1 | hi all, I need to save emails from certain senders to different folders. Can it be done in icedove? any other program? thanks. |
| 21:19.40 | jhutchins_lt | sweetandy: wheezy is not an upgrade, it is an experiment. It will break. It's purpose is to break, and for you to find, fix, and report the breaks. |
| 21:20.28 | ivan___ | lol so about that terminal color problem.. anyone know how to change the color only when I run irssi |
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| 21:20.48 | babilen | sweetandy: More or less, but running it is, well, a bit more demanding at times. I wouldn't recommend to do so. |
| 21:21.41 | sweetandy | jhutchins_lt, that's the idea, I want to help with bugs |
| 21:21.47 | abrotman | babilen: you missed twice up there |
| 21:21.57 | abrotman | oh .. kind of |
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| 21:25.45 | jhutchins_lt | sweetandy: You might make a second bootable squeeze partition and upgrade that - that way you still have a functional system to fix and report from. |
| 21:25.55 | jhutchins_lt | !wheezy->squeeze |
| 21:26.21 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: wheezy->squeeze |
| 21:26.21 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 21:26.28 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! |
| 21:26.34 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:27.09 | spacepluk | wols_: /quit |
| 21:27.18 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 21:27.19 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". Need more instructions? Perhaps you should wait for a while. |
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| 21:28.55 | slackerr | i've installed ati fglrx driver manually on squeeze. now i want to play with xvba. when i try to install it, aptitude shows in deps older fglrx from repo. how to install xvba avoiding old wheezy fglrx? |
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| 21:35.17 | andref | Can sb see this: http://pastebin.com/VfP5SLQ4 |
| 21:35.40 | andref | what is wrong with that file that it's not running |
| 21:35.43 | andref | ? |
| 21:35.59 | andref | I've no idea why... |
| 21:36.37 | parranda | andref: perhaps the space between #! and /bin/sh |
| 21:36.52 | Headoff | ChanneL #Headoff Linux Support |
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| 21:37.13 | parranda | it reads #! /bin/sh where I usually would write #!/bin/sh |
| 21:37.25 | abrotman | Headoff: go spam somewhere else |
| 21:37.40 | parranda | tests... |
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| 21:38.18 | parranda | no, it doesn't seem to be that. Reading further into that file... |
| 21:39.01 | abrotman | andref: try a set -x to debug it ? |
| 21:39.13 | andref | ok |
| 21:39.30 | parranda | andref: when you say it doesn't run do you mean the script doesn't launch tracd or do you mean that it doesn't execute? |
| 21:39.58 | parranda | in any case, abrotman has probably given the best answer. |
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| 21:40.22 | parranda | how I wish I knew why lb config; lb build doesn't work at all... |
| 21:41.12 | andref | parranda: set -x is set |
| 21:41.25 | andref | and the ouptput is: http://pastebin.com/T9hPfWS6 |
| 21:41.30 | parranda | andref: checking... |
| 21:42.04 | parranda | andref: it seems there is no executable file called /usr/sbin/tracd |
| 21:42.14 | parranda | is it perhaps supposed to be /usr/bin/tracd? |
| 21:42.21 | parranda | checks tracd package... |
| 21:43.11 | thosebys1 | can I steel speak here |
| 21:43.45 | andref | parranda: no local/bin |
| 21:43.47 | andref | :> |
| 21:43.51 | thosebys1 | oh the horrot. I nay indeed |
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| 21:44.15 | parranda | andref: /usr/local/bin? That explains why I don't find tracd in the package lists :) |
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| 21:44.37 | thosebys1 | I don'y speak your paranda. |
| 21:44.49 | thosebys1 | &t |
| 21:44.53 | thosebys1 | *t |
| 21:44.59 | parranda | thosebys1: no, you don't speak. You write :) |
| 21:45.22 | andref | :) |
| 21:45.41 | andref | parranda: ./trac: 1: start-stop-daemon: not found |
| 21:45.45 | andref | :> |
| 21:45.48 | thosebys1 | is that an Indonesian channel or somethig? |
| 21:45.50 | andref | I know |
| 21:45.59 | thosebys1 | Malay? |
| 21:46.02 | goodman | what is system call ?? |
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| 21:46.08 | iluminator101 | configuration server" gconf-sanity-check-2 exited w status 256, ??? |
| 21:46.11 | parranda | thosebys1: parranda is a Spanish term for party :) |
| 21:46.37 | thosebys1 | so that's find and dandy |
| 21:46.59 | thosebys1 | you're progagly just Sanish |
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| 21:47.15 | thosebys1 | or those Puerto Ricans |
| 21:47.17 | parranda | andref: I suppose you aren't trying to /etc/init.d/trac as a restricted user, right? |
| 21:47.23 | parranda | thosebys1: Spanish in my case :) |
| 21:47.25 | iluminator101 | configuration server" gconf-sanity-check-2 exited w status 256, ??? |
| 21:47.38 | andref | parranda: root? |
| 21:47.41 | andref | :> |
| 21:47.53 | andref | parranda: now everything is clear |
| 21:47.59 | parranda | andref: yes, because it lies at /bin/start-stop-daemon |
| 21:48.05 | parranda | oops, /sbin |
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| 21:48.14 | andref | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.22 | parranda | so it's not supposed to be available for normal users. |
| 21:48.32 | parranda | buenas andermetalsh :) |
| 21:48.44 | andref | parranda: I had to change PATH |
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| 21:49.03 | parranda | andref: you will need to change PATH to make it work on your restricted account |
| 21:49.14 | andref | now it starts and I'm going to reboot |
| 21:49.42 | andref | and the following step will be run that command as a user |
| 21:49.44 | andref | ;) |
| 21:49.52 | parranda | andref: good enough :) |
| 21:49.52 | andref | rebooting |
| 21:49.55 | parranda | good luck |
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| 21:53.24 | andref | parranda: it works now :D |
| 21:53.34 | andref | you're genius :) |
| 21:53.37 | parranda | andref: congratulations :) |
| 21:53.41 | andref | thanks |
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| 21:53.55 | parranda | andref: not at all. If I was a genius I wouldn't be stuck trying to build a live Debian CD :D |
| 21:54.14 | furious_wodim | hi, is it possible to remove cron? because when i want to uninstall it, it doesn't, instead it installs anacron. |
| 21:54.32 | parranda | furious_wodim: checking reverse depends on cron |
| 21:54.50 | jelly-home | furious_wodim: also, aptitude why cron |
| 21:55.07 | furious_wodim | ah, logrotate |
| 21:55.18 | furious_wodim | never using that |
| 21:55.21 | furious_wodim | so uninstalled |
| 21:55.23 | furious_wodim | thanks! |
| 21:55.27 | parranda | nice one, jelly-home , I didn't know that aptitude option |
| 21:55.46 | parranda | then again I haven't started using aptitude until early today :) |
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| 21:57.30 | parranda | question: is installing live-build enough to be able to build a Debian Live CD? It seems to have all the interesting scripts but there are more packages called live-something at the repository |
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| 21:59.09 | lancelot_of | hi all. I've two invalidating issues on my debian running x220 i5: first of all both 2.15 and 2.16 version of x intel driver freeze my system, forcing me to brutally shutdown the system and this may cause hardware troubles in the future, so i want to stop with this procedure. I'm sure the problem is the x driver 'cause if i use vesa driver from distro even if not "clean" all goes well and the system is stable. Se |
| 21:59.09 | lancelot_of | cond, in powertop i don't see the C3 and C4 cpu idle states so i guess there's too much power consumption and cpu resource sucking. How to solve?Please help |
| 21:59.55 | parranda | lancelot_of: is Control-Alt-Backspace available as a way to shut the X server down? |
| 22:00.08 | rwt | how do I set up a 'sendmail' server on debian? php.ini asks for a sendmail path and sode us anope. |
| 22:00.20 | lancelot_of | parranda, it isn't, the system freezes |
| 22:00.33 | parranda | lancelot_of: is VESA an option for the time being? |
| 22:00.41 | parranda | oh, sorry |
| 22:00.43 | parranda | you already said so |
| 22:00.46 | parranda | my excuses |
| 22:00.54 | lancelot_of | ok you're wlcome ;) |
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| 22:02.16 | parranda | lancelot_of: I see you are trying testing and unstable. Is there a reason to not use xserver-xorg-video-intel/stable? |
| 22:03.02 | parranda | rwt: check if you have exim installed |
| 22:03.27 | parranda | rwt: you should probably have it as it is the default, and you probably can use it as an alternative to sendmail |
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| 22:05.48 | lancelot_of | parranda, first of all dunno if the stable driver supports my Sandybridge chipset (HD 3000), second i'm running debian wheezy and dunno if i can install the stable driver |
| 22:06.19 | parranda | lancelot_of: ok, looking at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 22:07.00 | parranda | lancelot_of: I suppose you already did that ;) |
| 22:07.19 | mark76 | Does anyone know why when I run cfdisk /dev/sdf I get "Error opening /dev/sdf: No such device or address Invalid device". Even though I can see sdf in /dev/ in my file manager? |
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| 22:08.06 | lancelot_of | parranda, i didn't is there anything interesting there?Im' looking at it |
| 22:08.27 | parranda | mark76: please run grep /sdf /var/log/kern.log and see whether it is assigned to a working device |
| 22:08.44 | parranda | mark76: it might just be a CD/DVD unit that has no disk in it :) |
| 22:08.45 | rwt | parranda: thx, there are apprently more docs on exim than sendmail |
| 22:08.55 | parranda | rwt: you are welcome |
| 22:09.18 | mark76 | grep /sdf /var/log/kern.log returned nothing |
| 22:09.20 | parranda | lancelot_of: it's the whole list of bugs of the xserver-xorg-video-intel package, the one that is troubling you |
| 22:09.37 | mark76 | Should I have done it as root? |
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| 22:09.57 | parranda | mark76: ok, how many hard disks, CD/DVD units and card readers does your computer have? |
| 22:10.20 | parranda | mark76: usually you will have one or two hard disks and one or two CD/DVD units |
| 22:10.40 | zykotick9 | mark76, perhaps "grep sdf /var/log/kern.log"? |
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| 22:11.12 | parranda | zykotick9: ouch, I put an extra slash there. |
| 22:11.20 | mark76 | 1 hard disk and 1 CD/DVD Unit. Card readers... 4 |
| 22:11.26 | mark76 | No cards though |
| 22:11.46 | parranda | mark76: ok, so you have /dev/sda and /dev/sdb which are the hard disk and the CD/DVD unit |
| 22:12.18 | mark76 | Yeah |
| 22:12.21 | parranda | /dev/sdc to /dev/sdf will be usually assigned to the card readers. Since you don't have a card in any of them you can't mount /dev/sdf :) |
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| 22:12.43 | mark76 | What about usb thumb drives? |
| 22:13.08 | parranda | they usually should be available from /dev/sdg onwards, according to your configuration |
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| 22:13.31 | parranda | if you just inserted a USB drive, execute dmesg|tail to see what device it is on |
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| 22:14.06 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Hexcore VS Quad Core "More Clock Than the Hex" ; which would be better for compilations and video/ audio ripping ? |
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| 22:14.24 | mark76 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.48 | parranda | mark76: ok. Check whether you can mount /dev/sdf1 or /dev/sdf5 |
| 22:14.49 | rwt | http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 This guide sais to use SMARTHOST, wy wouldn't I just use " internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP" instead? |
| 22:15.05 | rwt | (when using a gmail account) |
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| 22:16.34 | parranda | rwt: mmm... my configuration is setup for SMTP=localhost and stmp_port=25 |
| 22:16.37 | mark76 | Same result for each one parranda "mount: can't find /dev/sdf6 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" |
| 22:16.51 | parranda | mark76: sdf5 not 6? |
| 22:17.08 | mark76 | Yeah, I tried 1 to 5 first and then 6 just in case |
| 22:17.12 | parranda | ok |
| 22:17.19 | parranda | mark76: please try fdisk -l /dev/sdf |
| 22:17.27 | parranda | and see if there are partitions listed. |
| 22:17.47 | parranda | it may require sudo or being root |
| 22:17.49 | rwt | parranda: If I just want to sendmail through goole, is there any reason to use smarthost? |
| 22:17.50 | mark76 | IS that a space between -| and /dev? |
| 22:17.58 | rwt | when i can just send it directly |
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| 22:18.23 | parranda | mark76: yes, there is a space after fdisk and before /dev/sdf |
| 22:18.34 | parranda | and the character after the dash is an ell |
| 22:18.36 | parranda | L |
| 22:18.46 | parranda | (small of course) |
| 22:18.57 | abrotman | rwt: you likely don't want that .. google would be your smart host in this case |
| 22:19.00 | mark76 | I'm running it as root and I get bash: /dev/sdf: Permission denied |
| 22:19.12 | abrotman | rwt: you're not going to receive mail at home, you're going to fetch it from google |
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| 22:19.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman: between a hexcore and a quad core with more clock, which one should provide better compilation times and video / audio ripping ? |
| 22:20.07 | rwt | abrotman: so I am just setting up the servers email to send no-reply emails for forums and irc... so I should use smarhost for that? |
| 22:20.09 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | provided i feed it 4 GIG of ram and 64 bit |
| 22:20.11 | TTT | hello, is there a sound daemon in Debian to which it would be possible to connect and play sound from a windows XP machine? |
| 22:20.13 | parranda | mark76: mmm... that's interesting. |
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| 22:20.24 | utrrrongeeb | I *thought* sound card auto-mute / jack detection had suddenly started working; today it most definitely isn't. Is there anything obvious to try? [or should I be asking in #debian-next or #alsa?] (Debian Wheezy, Realtek ALC889 [HD audio] on Asus P8P67 Deluxe) |
| 22:20.25 | mark76 | And annoying |
| 22:20.35 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: All the time, or just once? |
| 22:20.38 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: thta depends on the software .. you'd have to do actual benchmarking .. if the stuff is threaded, the hex core likely would .. but if it's not, the fastest speed of the single core would win |
| 22:20.39 | lancelot_of | parranda, i read accurately the bug page but none of the reported is quite similar to my situation, in particular with hardware settings and running kernel. But the question still remains unanswered: does the stable intel version 2.13 support hd 3000 chipset (sandybridge)? |
| 22:20.46 | lancelot_of | if so i could try it |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | rwt: uhm .. maybe? you're going to use gmail to send emails to forums? |
| 22:21.04 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, all the time. Can pulse-audio or esd or whatever is current state of sound daemons do it? |
| 22:21.13 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman: so i am doing basic compilations like the kernel and stuff. the quad core wouldnt be that bad |
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| 22:21.39 | parranda | lancelot_of: you can always try to aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel/stable and see what happens :) If worst comes to worst you can always reinstall from testing |
| 22:22.00 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: okay .. compiling a kenrel on a quad 2.2 Ghz is infinitely faster using -j3 than -j1 on a 486 .. quit crying :) |
| 22:22.10 | mark76 | :'( |
| 22:22.11 | mark76 | :D |
| 22:22.15 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: As in, every time you boot it, or is something manually started ok? (I don't know how to do this -- just trying to find specifics.) |
| 22:22.19 | parranda | mark76: I suppose the USB drive works correctly on other computers, right? |
| 22:22.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.30 | mark76 | Yes. On Windows machines |
| 22:22.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman: you have some experience using -j1 recently? :P |
| 22:22.56 | parranda | mark76: in any case you may want to file a bug about that freeze. It is testing/unstable, they expect to have bugs pop up |
| 22:22.58 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: i have a 486 i'm about to pack and move to my next place |
| 22:23.10 | mark76 | Freeze? |
| 22:23.18 | parranda | mark76: oops, sorry, that was for lancelot_of |
| 22:23.19 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, ok, I have a home server that is connected to speakers. I have a laptop with winXP and I'd like to play audio via home server through the connected speakers. If that was a Linux laptop, I'd use pulse-audio or ESD or something like that |
| 22:23.20 | lancelot_of | ok i'm going to. if it would be good enough, how to prevent it from being upgraded to 2.15 with an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:23.27 | mark76 | Oh |
| 22:23.38 | rwt | abrotman: well, the forums are going to send emails to users through php. php needs a 'sendmail' program. I have a no-reply email setup for google. I want to use this email in the sendmail program, in this case Exim |
| 22:23.55 | parranda | lancelot_of: you may pin it. Read about pinning at the apt manuals :) |
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| 22:24.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | 484 ones prove to be good for basic home networking and firewalling |
| 22:24.07 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *486 |
| 22:24.14 | lancelot_of | parranda, ok thanks for your useful support |
| 22:24.23 | lancelot_of | have a nice night |
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| 22:24.39 | lancelot_of | bye |
| 22:24.41 | parranda | lancelot_of: you are welcome, have a nice night too |
| 22:24.42 | parranda | bye |
| 22:24.44 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: Sending sound from the laptop, to the home server, to the speakers? |
| 22:24.51 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, yes |
| 22:24.58 | abrotman | rwt: this seems like a good way to get blacklisted from google .. just saying |
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| 22:25.03 | parranda | rwt: I don't think you can set up php to identify itself to smtp.google.com |
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| 22:25.45 | parranda | rwt: and I wouldn't recommend it anyway. It would seem much better to use your local SMTP server to do that work if at all possible |
| 22:25.47 | keith80403 | !wheezy pool |
| 22:25.48 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
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| 22:26.17 | Jordan_U | What is the recommended way to install a FreeNX server for Debian Squeeze? |
| 22:26.19 | rwt | abrotman: why is that? I have a google sites acount... so my emails are @mywebsite.org, they just use googles servers |
| 22:26.22 | parranda | mark76: ok, getting back to you... does fdisk -l /dev/sd[cdefg] show anythink? :) |
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| 22:26.46 | parranda | rwt: have you told Google you are about to do that? ;) |
| 22:26.53 | mark76 | Error opening /dev/sdc: No medium found parranda |
| 22:27.09 | rwt | do they realy care about this stuff? there would be not that many users |
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| 22:27.12 | parranda | mark76: is it the same with sdd, sde, sdf and sdg? |
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| 22:27.18 | mark76 | Hang on |
| 22:27.27 | parranda | rwt: they probably do if you send too many mails |
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| 22:27.53 | parranda | rwt: a friend of mine had problems with Hotmail (it's not GMail, but yet...) for sending too many mails |
| 22:28.05 | rwt | wow |
| 22:28.34 | abrotman | rwt: okay .. yes, use it as a smarthost .. you are not sending any local mail |
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| 22:29.08 | mark76 | Error: Could not stat device /dev/sdc- No such file or directory. |
| 22:29.13 | parranda | rwt: in any case, you can try to use Google (remember you need to authenticate over SMTPS, IIRC) |
| 22:29.25 | rwt | correct |
| 22:29.26 | mark76 | Error: Error opening /dev/sdc: No medium found |
| 22:29.39 | mark76 | Error: Error opening /dev/sdd: No medium found |
| 22:29.53 | mark76 | Error: Error opening /dev/sde: No medium found |
| 22:29.55 | parranda | mark76: it will be enough if you tell me all fail ;) |
| 22:30.02 | mark76 | Yep |
| 22:30.05 | parranda | we don't want to flood the channel. |
| 22:30.24 | neoice | what's the easiest way to have a script run after ALL other init scripts? |
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| 22:30.29 | parranda | mark76: please remove the USB drive, execute dmesg|tail and see if it noticed. |
| 22:30.42 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, apparently there is WinESD project that registeres ESD device as a windows sound driver, but it hasn't been maintained for a while. Pulseaudio doesn't have anything similar, but it does support standard streaming protocols, so it would be possible to force le's say VLC to stream audio to my machine |
| 22:31.00 | parranda | neoice: set it with a bigger number at the corresponding /etc/rcX.d :) |
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| 22:31.05 | mark76 | usb 1-5: USB disconnect, address 6? |
| 22:31.15 | parranda | mark76: ok, reconnect and dmesg|tail once again. |
| 22:31.21 | neoice | parranda: does that work with dep-based booting? |
| 22:31.45 | parranda | neoice: mmm... no idea. I'm still on the old system IIRC |
| 22:31.53 | mark76 | usb 1-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7? |
| 22:32.10 | parranda | mark76: does it show it loaded at any sdX? |
| 22:32.31 | mark76 | Only sdf |
| 22:32.36 | parranda | mmm... ok. |
| 22:32.42 | parranda | I'm going to leave for a bit |
| 22:32.46 | parranda | I'll be back :P |
| 22:32.52 | mark76 | Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 |
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| 22:34.07 | keith80403 | ! wheezy pool 1 |
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| 22:35.03 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: Would icecast be overkill? |
| 22:35.46 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, probably not. I was just thinking maybe there is already a simple easy working solution that wouldn't require much tinkering. |
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| 22:36.02 | TTT | I'll look into Icecast if I don't find anything else |
| 22:37.04 | abrotman | who screwed that up ... |
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| 22:37.48 | parranda | mark76: ok, I'm back |
| 22:37.56 | mark76 | Hey there! |
| 22:38.02 | parranda | is that a USB hard disk? |
| 22:38.18 | mark76 | It's one of those thumb sized things |
| 22:38.32 | parranda | mark76: ok, so it's probably not an energy problem |
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| 22:38.50 | mark76 | Nope |
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| 22:39.15 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: The audio files have to be *on* the laptop? |
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| 22:39.46 | parranda | mmm... I don't know what else to do, really... I never learned to find the /dev/sdX links to /sys or /proc |
| 22:40.24 | parranda | wait while I check... |
| 22:40.29 | mark76 | K |
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| 22:41.03 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, kinda yes. It's more convenient that way. I could SCP and aplay or whatever, but let's say I'm playing a game and I want to stream sound |
| 22:41.32 | troutwine | I'm installing the postgresql package but I don't need it to run initdb; I want to do that myself. How can I cause the package not to do such setup? |
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| 22:41.48 | troutwine | I just really need the binaries on disk and I'll take over the rest. |
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| 22:42.50 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: Oh. I was going to suggest the laptop share the music to the server with SMB, where a daemon could play it directly.... |
| 22:43.04 | TTT | I think I found a solution I'll try for now |
| 22:43.08 | TTT | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1121603 |
| 22:43.17 | TTT | linco.exe --flag-files -B 16 -C 2 -R 44100 | ssh.exe -p15200 LinuxUsername@192.168.10.75 "cat - | pacat --server 127.0.0.1 --playback" |
| 22:43.25 | TTT | if I manage to get it to work |
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| 22:46.50 | andref | why does start-stop-daemon --user username does not work? |
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| 22:47.11 | parranda | mark76: if at all possible, run as root: ls -l /sys/dev/block/|grep sd |
| 22:47.18 | andref | I want to run proces as a specyfic user on startup |
| 22:47.19 | mark76 | K |
| 22:47.44 | parranda | and check whether there is sdf1 or something like hat |
| 22:48.21 | mark76 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Aug 31 23:32 8:80 -> ../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-5/1-5:1.0/host11/target11:0:0/11:0:0:0/block/sdf |
| 22:48.32 | parranda | mark76: but no sdf1? |
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| 22:49.10 | andref | hm... any ideas? |
| 22:49.10 | mark76 | Nope. Just sda, sda1, sdb, sdc, sdd, sda5, sda6, sde and sdf |
| 22:49.12 | andref | :) |
| 22:50.31 | parranda | mark76: mmm... that means sdf shows up as a partition less device (as it seems to be the USB device) |
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| 22:50.43 | parranda | andref: give me a bit please |
| 22:50.51 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: Yes, that looks a lot closer to what you were looking for.... |
| 22:50.59 | mark76 | Yeah |
| 22:51.21 | parranda | mark76: mount -t vfat /dev/sdf /media .... works= |
| 22:51.24 | parranda | ? |
| 22:52.19 | parranda | andref: I think you should use --chuid instead of --user |
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| 22:53.31 | parranda | parranda: according to man start |
| 22:53.33 | parranda | oops |
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| 22:54.05 | parranda | andref: according to man start-stop-daemon --chuid is the option to set the user you want the process to run as. |
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| 22:56.43 | parranda | andref, mark76 : are you there? :) |
| 22:56.50 | mark76 | Yes |
| 22:57.28 | parranda | mark76: did mount -t vfat /dev/sdf /somewhere else work? |
| 22:57.37 | mark76 | Hang on |
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| 22:58.25 | mark76 | Well the last time I had access to a machine running a Windows OS I plugged it in and a file manager window opened parranda |
| 22:58.39 | mark76 | If that's what you mean |
| 22:59.03 | andref | parranda: yes |
| 22:59.16 | andref | I have an error: socket.error: [Errno 13] Permission denied |
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| 22:59.30 | andref | chuid is ok in spite of above error |
| 22:59.51 | parranda | mark76: not exactly :) I wanted you to try and mount /dev/sdf somewhere now |
| 23:00.05 | mark76 | Oh |
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| 23:00.22 | parranda | andref: I suspect that user doesn't have access to a UNIX socket file tracd requires. |
| 23:00.26 | mark76 | Somewhere? |
| 23:00.36 | andref | :> |
| 23:00.45 | parranda | mark76: yes, create a directory at /tmp and mount it |
| 23:00.54 | mark76 | Oh right |
| 23:01.04 | andref | parranda: hmm... any solution? |
| 23:01.06 | andref | :) |
| 23:01.11 | parranda | like mkdir /tmp/parranda; mount -t vfat /dev/sdf /tmp/parranda |
| 23:01.32 | mark76 | Can I do it in my home? |
| 23:01.48 | parranda | andref: tracd was installed at /usr/local, right= |
| 23:02.05 | andref | yes - by python's pip |
| 23:02.07 | parranda | mark76: yes if you are root. Otherwise I can't guarantee mount will work |
| 23:02.21 | andref | /usr/local/bin |
| 23:02.52 | parranda | andref: ok, check whether /var/local exists |
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| 23:03.11 | mark76 | mount: /dev/sdf is not a valid block device |
| 23:03.14 | parranda | and what other /usr/local directories have been created. |
| 23:03.30 | andref | parranda: it exists and is empty |
| 23:03.37 | parranda | mark76: then I don't know what is going on, sorry |
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| 23:04.25 | parranda | mark76: I would usually suspect some USB drive failure, but you state it works so... |
| 23:04.31 | mark76 | Okay. No problem |
| 23:04.40 | parranda | mark76: good luck, anyway |
| 23:04.45 | mark76 | Thanks |
| 23:05.09 | parranda | mark76: see if you can set up the automounter to try and do the work for you |
| 23:05.15 | andref | parranda: there are man lib bin dirs |
| 23:05.15 | mark76 | Is automounter in the repos? |
| 23:05.29 | parranda | mark76: I think so. Checking... |
| 23:06.37 | andref | parranda: what is wrong with sockets? maybe I should add that user to specific group |
| 23:06.53 | andref | on root it works ok |
| 23:06.58 | parranda | mark76: ivman, autofs5, autofs or gnome-volume-manager may be helpful |
| 23:07.12 | parranda | andref: you installed tracd as root, right= |
| 23:07.17 | parranda | ¿ |
| 23:07.17 | parranda | ? |
| 23:07.20 | andref | yes |
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| 23:07.40 | parranda | ok, so every file probably belongs to root:root |
| 23:07.55 | mark76 | Okay. I have those now |
| 23:07.57 | andref | hm... it makes a sense |
| 23:08.25 | Squishee | What do you guys talk about here? |
| 23:08.27 | parranda | andref: could you reinstall it settig a specific user or group so it is the one you want to use for start-stop-daemon? |
| 23:08.32 | andref | parranda: but whe I run traced command as a user it executes |
| 23:08.51 | parranda | Squishee: debian problems and solutions, mostly |
| 23:08.52 | andref | parranda: I think rather no |
| 23:09.01 | Squishee | >_< |
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| 23:09.15 | parranda | andref: ok, does strace show where the problem socket is? |
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| 23:11.08 | andref | parranda: http://pastebin.com/itpEXKFT |
| 23:11.19 | parranda | checking |
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| 23:13.19 | parranda | andref: I see. It seems tracd wants to use a priviledged port (below 1024) and it can't do it as a restricted user |
| 23:13.50 | parranda | andref: can tracd be configured to drop privileges? |
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| 23:14.09 | mark76 | How do I use autofs5 and ivman? |
| 23:14.52 | parranda | mark76: I suppose you install autofs5, disconnect the USB drive, connect it again and see if it gets automounted running "mount" |
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| 23:15.04 | andref | parranda: so far no idea how |
| 23:15.12 | parranda | mark76: or ivman, in any case. |
| 23:15.25 | parranda | andref: looking up tracd configuration info... |
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| 23:16.10 | jef91 | anyone know what pacakge the command dh_python2 is contained within? |
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| 23:16.36 | ham5 | theres a command for that |
| 23:16.41 | andref | It looks like user cannot set port 80 :/ |
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| 23:17.27 | mark76 | mount: can't find /dev/sdf in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 23:17.31 | nsadmin | user cannot open any port below 1024 |
| 23:17.37 | nvz | so I setup an autocmd as defined in the startup-howto in the irssi docs to identify, yet I always end up with window 7 being #python-unregistered cause it says I'm not registered when it joins |
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| 23:17.57 | nsadmin | they can set any port they want, but opening that port is another matter |
| 23:17.58 | nvz | I thought that was the whole point of the f'n wait command |
| 23:18.18 | draemon_ | This is annoying.. the AMD64 How-To appears to have vanished from the net |
| 23:18.22 | parranda | andref: tracd shouldn't be listening on 80, anyway, in my opinion. |
| 23:18.31 | draemon_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq points to a secure page on alioth |
| 23:18.34 | parranda | mark76: so it tries to mount it. Nice. |
| 23:18.44 | nvz | draemon_: what does one need an amd64 how-to for? |
| 23:19.06 | mark76 | But it's not in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 23:19.15 | parranda | mark76: try mount -t auto /dev/sdf /thattemporarydirectory |
| 23:19.30 | draemon_ | nvz: because wiki.debian.org says the how-to is more up to date than the wiki |
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| 23:19.35 | parranda | (where thattemporarydirectory was wherever you tried it before :) |
| 23:19.52 | nvz | draemon_: I'm still not understanding what you need it for.. heh.. |
| 23:19.58 | mark76 | mount: /dev/sdf is not a valid block device |
| 23:20.11 | andref | parranda: it is bug tracer |
| 23:20.11 | nsadmin | draemon_, the comment makes the wiki more uptodate until they change the howto |
| 23:20.27 | andref | it serves pages same as httpd |
| 23:20.42 | nvz | amd64 howto: put the disk in, press enter a bunch of times. |
| 23:20.57 | draemon_ | nsadmin: no, the comment on the top of the FAQ on the wiki says the how-to is more up to date |
| 23:20.57 | nsadmin | so it's a web server which is running a bug tracker |
| 23:21.06 | draemon_ | so is the comment just wrong? |
| 23:21.15 | nsadmin | not sure |
| 23:21.17 | mark76 | Would it help if I told you it's formatted with one of the Windows filesystems? |
| 23:21.38 | nsadmin | when you say "secure" what does that mean? |
| 23:22.09 | draemon_ | asks for login, free (but somewhat anti-debianly invasive) signup still doesn't give you permission to see the page |
| 23:22.09 | nsadmin | what about that is relevent to having you read the page? |
| 23:22.27 | parranda | mark76: I already supposed it was formatted On Windows. As it is a USB flash drive, it usually would be formatted in FAT32 |
| 23:22.49 | draemon_ | linking to information on "free signup" sites isn't something I'd expect of debian |
| 23:23.01 | draemon_ | (even if it's internal) |
| 23:23.05 | parranda | mark76: so I once told you to mount -t vfat |
| 23:23.11 | lupo33 | Hello! I'm a new Debian 6.0.1 user. Having trouble with apt-get. It is unable to connect to the sources in my /etc/apt/sources.list. Please help. |
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| 23:23.30 | nsadmin | draemon_, let's separate the issue of accessing that page, because there's something underlying that which you want... could you say more about that? what has you wanting to read the howto? |
| 23:23.31 | parranda | mark76: but it didn't seem to work either so I don't now what is wrong |
| 23:23.47 | nvz | lupo33: http://paste.debian.net paste both your sources.list and the errors when running apt-get update |
| 23:23.55 | parranda | lupo33: copy your sources.list and paste it at paste.debian.org |
| 23:24.03 | lupo33 | nvz: In a minute. Thanks. |
| 23:24.17 | parranda | mark76: I would be very surprised if it was nfts, but let's try it |
| 23:24.27 | jef91 | anyone know what pacakge the command dh_python2 is contained within? |
| 23:24.30 | mark76 | So basically until I can get to another Windows machine the usb memory stick is just so much useless metal and plastic? |
| 23:24.35 | mark76 | OK |
| 23:24.41 | nvz | parranda: paste.debian.net, paste.debian.org doesn't exist |
| 23:24.43 | parranda | mark76: mount -t ntfs /dev/sdf /thatdirectory |
| 23:24.59 | mark76 | Let me make sure I have ntfs installed first |
| 23:25.00 | parranda | nvz: my excuses, brainfart. |
| 23:25.07 | nvz | happens to the best of us |
| 23:25.17 | parranda | lupo33: paste it to paste.debian.net please |
| 23:25.24 | draemon_ | nsadmin: sure, there are two issues here. I just want to create an ia32 package.. and I was looking for more info on 32 bit chroots (apparently in the howto). But I'm more concerned about the non-free link tbh |
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| 23:26.02 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, this works quite well. And with aplay playing it latency is not bad, and CPU usage is very low, not sure about how much wireless bandwidth this uses up, but works fine. Only problem is that if I mute sound on windows laptop speakers, recording gets muted as well. |
| 23:26.06 | nsadmin | draemon_, can you xen or kvm? |
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| 23:26.23 | nvz | draemon_: are you sure you're looking to create an ia32 package? |
| 23:26.36 | nvz | cause I dont think a chroot will help with that |
| 23:26.47 | parranda | ok, I must go to sleep. Good night people and may all your problems be solved. |
| 23:26.53 | nvz | as ia32 will not run on amd64, i386 will..\ |
| 23:26.53 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, hmm, I just plugged in headphones into my laptop- so laptop speakers are muted now |
| 23:26.54 | nsadmin | alternatively... would you have a fairly quick machine you could install i386 on? |
| 23:26.56 | parranda | good luck mark76 |
| 23:27.08 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, thanks for taking interest into what I was doing. |
| 23:27.08 | draemon_ | nsadmin: could do.. though I don't know if that involves more than just a different kernel |
| 23:27.14 | utrrrongeeb | TTT: I was just going to suggest that. Good to hear it's working! :-) |
| 23:27.24 | draemon_ | nvz: yes, and I don't know if it will help.. which is why I wanted the how-to |
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| 23:27.33 | mark76 | That's what I got parranda |
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| 23:28.02 | nsadmin | I ran xen for a little while, mostly amd64 kernels, which can support i386 fine |
| 23:28.11 | TTT | utrrrongeeb, gotta log off for now, bye |
| 23:28.29 | draemon_ | nsadmin: I have preseed+pxe+virtualbox so yes I could boot a fresh i386 build box. Is it really that hard to have it work on amd64? |
| 23:28.48 | nsadmin | no |
| 23:28.53 | neoice | is there a quick command to check if I've enabled dep-based booting? |
| 23:29.01 | nvz | if you wanna build an i386 a chroot will work and is easy to do.. i386 is NOT ia32 |
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| 23:29.32 | utrrrongeeb | Is there any reason why auto-mute / jack detection would start and stop working over the course of a week or two? [Debian Wheezy, Realtek ALC889, ALSA] |
| 23:29.40 | nsadmin | oh? what's the difference? what's an example of a well known ia32 machine? |
| 23:29.41 | draemon_ | nvz "ia32 will not run on amd64".. err isn't that just what it's for? |
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| 23:30.02 | nvz | nsadmin: I think it runs on xeon.. not sure.. |
| 23:30.11 | draemon_ | nvz: you're thinking of ia64 |
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| 23:30.32 | nsadmin | I thought that too but now not so sure |
| 23:30.34 | nvz | draemon_: probably.. either way we dont call it ia3 |
| 23:30.42 | draemon_ | (not that the statement is exactly true there either, mind) |
| 23:31.33 | draemon_ | nvz: run apt-cache show ia32-libs |
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| 23:31.47 | nvz | yeah thats ia32-libs |
| 23:32.02 | nvz | we call the 32bit intel architecture i386 |
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| 23:32.15 | lupo33 | nvz: http://paste.debian.net/128024/ |
| 23:32.15 | nvz | its what its called on the mirrors, its what dpkg-architecture says.. |
| 23:32.23 | draemon_ | so I need to build a package into 32bit binaries to run an debian amd64 |
| 23:32.31 | Ian1 | hey guys, I dont realy understand debian stable, is it like ubuntu in software, I mean do you have to wait as long as in ubunt to get the stable explorere, libre and other tools? |
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| 23:32.57 | lupo33 | nvz: I'm working on a laptop that has Ubuntu. Trying to get debian working on a desktop. The desktop currently has just the base system installed. |
| 23:33.09 | draemon_ | so an i386 package won't install.. IIUC I need an ia32 package |
| 23:33.46 | nvz | lupo33: why are you using an IP address and mixing sources? |
| 23:33.50 | nsadmin | draemon_, I like to separate things out that get in the way of something... sorta example, say I want to build a lamp stack and I come to find that the way apache is built makes it tougher to get packaged versions of (say) php with feature x-that-I-want |
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| 23:34.52 | lupo33 | nvz: I googled, and a guy on some forum said ftp.us.debian.org didn't work but the IP address worked. |
| 23:35.11 | nsadmin | having gone down the dependency hell experience, I would choose to build the whole stack in /usr/local/somewhere so that I have all the control and packages have none, and I get what I want immediately |
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| 23:35.35 | ragnar76_ | hi all |
| 23:35.54 | nvz | lupo33: thats not ftp.us.debian.org.. thats micigan state university |
| 23:35.54 | Ian1 | hey guys, I dont realy understand debian stable, is it like ubuntu in software, I mean do you have to wait as long as in ubunt to get the stable explorere, libre and other tools? |
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| 23:35.59 | lupo33 | nvz: Could you give me a sureshot list of sources? |
| 23:36.04 | nsadmin | the two things that were coupled, were packaging of the stack and php having my desired feature |
| 23:36.05 | nvz | lupo33: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ is what that is |
| 23:36.14 | nvz | lupo33: are you in the US? |
| 23:36.22 | lupo33 | India |
| 23:36.22 | ragnar76_ | is there a way to find out what packages are pinned from updating? |
| 23:36.30 | nsadmin | I might choose to eliminate the former, at least temporarily |
| 23:36.33 | Ian1 | anyone? |
| 23:36.48 | Ian1 | please guys, I am a noob, help me to understand :D |
| 23:36.50 | draemon_ | nsadmin: right, but when what you're doing was kindof an excuse for finding out how to do things properly... |
| 23:37.24 | nvz | lupo33: well there are no official mirrors in india, but perhaps you can find one closer than Michigan state.. http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 23:37.36 | draemon_ | or IOW building the 32bit binary outside of debian isn't the issue.. I'm interested in getting a proper package out of it |
| 23:37.57 | nvz | lupo33: also make your dists agree.. dont use squeeze, wheezy, and testing.. pick one and make it all say the same |
| 23:38.19 | nsadmin | well right, I might either decide to keep my stack or redo it using packaging... learning how to do the latter might take up time I don't have, so I get the stack up as fast as possible and put it into service (if that's my goal) |
| 23:38.21 | lupo33 | nvz: OK. Thank you so much. :) |
| 23:38.22 | nvz | "testing" is a moving target |
| 23:38.39 | zykotick9 | Ian1, "stable" in the debian sense, means the packages don't change. If you think you wait a long time in Ubuntu, Debian might not be the distro for you. Debian works, if it's cutting edge you're looking for, something else might be better suited. |
| 23:39.09 | nsadmin | then later, during some future -scheduled- downtime, I might try cutting debian into more and more of the stack |
| 23:40.05 | Ian1 | zykotick9, so you have to hack it like ubuntu to get the latest stuff |
| 23:40.24 | utrrrongeeb | lan1: If you don't particularly value a stable system, you could use Debian Testing. If you just want up-to-date Iceweasel, mozilla.debian.net has an unofficial repository. |
| 23:40.25 | draemon_ | nsadmin: good general advice, but my goal here /is/ learning how to build ia32 pacakges, which I expect to have to do more of. At least this is a working i386 package - next step would be packaging ia32 from a tarball, so I am actually picking the easy route. |
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| 23:40.47 | nvz | Ian1: perhaps your mindset is wrong.. the latest isn't always the greatest... if you dont have a specific need to use newer versions, you shouldn't |
| 23:40.59 | zykotick9 | Ian1, yes - but that kinda defeats the purpose. Backports provide some updates. You should see "/msg dpkg !sns" |
| 23:41.10 | nvz | created that factoid |
| 23:41.21 | zykotick9 | nvz, it's a great one! |
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| 23:41.26 | nvz | I know |
| 23:41.32 | nvz | so is my yinzersmite.. heh |
| 23:41.39 | nsadmin | by ia32 you do mean i386, I assume? if so, maybe installing debian i386 onto a spare box gets you to a point where you can start the quickest |
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| 23:42.21 | nvz | you can debootstrap i386 and chroot to it in a matter of minutes |
| 23:42.30 | nsadmin | I'm not that great with the hybrid installation thing, and I don't really know how to advise you in that direction |
| 23:42.37 | draemon_ | nsadmin: no - I need to package and install a 32 bit binary on a 64 bit system |
| 23:42.55 | draemon_ | (which is ia32). AFAIK you just can't install i386 packages on amd64 |
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| 23:43.13 | draemon_ | presumably because their libraries would clash |
| 23:44.18 | nvz | this is why I just install i386 with an amd64 kernel |
| 23:44.31 | nvz | cause there is almost no advantage to using amd64 packages in most cases |
| 23:44.59 | nvz | very few apps do anything that would benefit from a 64bit userland and far more will be unusable because of it |
| 23:45.13 | nsadmin | that's what I'm thinking too, but there's a way of putting in 32-bit libs in some special dir |
| 23:45.34 | draemon_ | nvz: I've had no problems at all.. this is only because I'm building something a bit crazy |
| 23:45.39 | nvz | thats what ia32-libs package is for, but it doesnt always work |
| 23:45.59 | laidback_01 | ... I've had ZERO issues with running x64. |
| 23:46.01 | Ian1 | nvz, I know what you mean but just take for instance a tool that get in its latest version a speed upgrade or a performance upgrade :) |
| 23:46.14 | nvz | breaks my opensim viewer, psx emulator.. is a royal pita with flash.. etc |
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| 23:46.29 | nvz | Ian1: you sound like a gentoo user to me |
| 23:46.30 | draemon_ | flash wfm |
| 23:46.35 | laidback_01 | but... then again, I code, I don't care for streaming video, music, or any of that crap. I don' tuse flash.. whatever. |
| 23:46.49 | Ian1 | nvz, :) |
| 23:46.49 | nvz | Ian1: someone who wastes more time optimizing and increasing version numbers than you do benefiting from the time wasted.. |
| 23:46.52 | draemon_ | but I just use the 64bit version |
| 23:46.53 | nsadmin | we keep throwing around these two terms: ia32 and i386... draemon_, are these the same or different? |
| 23:46.58 | nvz | Ian1: gentoo is the distro you're looking for.. heh |
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| 23:47.20 | nsadmin | if you like compile time alot :) |
| 23:47.23 | draemon_ | nsadmin: same architecture, different packaging |
| 23:47.41 | nsadmin | s/compile time alot/alotta compile time alot/ |
| 23:47.48 | draemon_ | my understanding is that i386 *packages* are for 32 bit userland, and ia32 *packages* are for 32 binaries in 64 bit userland |
| 23:48.06 | Ian1 | nvz, naa arch is the better solution but evein in debian there is a rolling release version, for instance testing, just got a lot of errors with it with no solution |
| 23:48.12 | nvz | I've never even heard of an ia32 package |
| 23:48.33 | draemon_ | apt-cache search ia32 |
| 23:48.34 | utrrrongeeb | Isn't multilib going to fix all this? |
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| 23:50.13 | nvz | draemon_: I know there are ia32libs packages.. thats irrelevant.. they are AMD64 packages |
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| 23:50.25 | nvz | there is no such architecture that runs on debian called "ia32" |
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| 23:50.42 | nsadmin | Ian1, debian releases generally don't roll... I mean that in the sense, for example, once a debian dist is released as stable, things never change again except for serious problems |
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| 23:51.24 | nvz | there are 3 ways to run 32bit binaries on amd64 hardware.. 1) dual-boot a i386 version of debian, 2) use ia32-libs which doesn't always work, and 3) install a i386 chroot and use schroot to run them |
| 23:51.52 | nsadmin | 4) run virtualization |
| 23:51.56 | iateadonut | how do i get started opening up a mysql database on a mysql server to be opened from a command line on a remote client? |
| 23:52.02 | nsadmin | which is sorta like 3 |
| 23:52.13 | Ian1 | nsadmin, I thought that testing is a stable form of rolling release |
| 23:52.20 | utrrrongeeb | (for #2)...and then beat, whack, hack, and delete until things Just Work. |
| 23:52.31 | nvz | Ian1: thats because debian's development cycle has certain priorities.. those are breifly freedom, stability, and cross-platform.. higher version numbers and new code is the least of our concern.. |
| 23:52.48 | nvz | Ian1: debian's testing and unstable branches are just that.. testing and unstable.. |
| 23:53.15 | Ian1 | ok, will install stable just to have a stable linux OS |
| 23:53.18 | nvz | Ian1: all I am saying is what has been said by others already, your priorities dont fall in line with those of debian |
| 23:53.19 | draemon_ | nvz: I didn't suggest ia32 was an arch. I want to build an amd64 packge which contains only 32 bit binaries and runs against the ia32 libraries. I was assuming that would be called an ia32 package |
| 23:53.28 | jetscreamer | releases seem to have taken a hit on the quality past few years |
| 23:53.42 | phogg | what, since woody? |
| 23:53.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 23:53.54 | utrrrongeeb | phogg: Wrong joke. It's since Squeeze. ;-) |
| 23:53.55 | phogg | everything is a tradeoff |
| 23:54.07 | phogg | utrrrongeeb: ok (-; |
| 23:54.10 | nvz | Ian1: you can however learn to backport things and use debian backports that are already made to address certain issues with key applications. I just compiled the latest hedgewars from the trunk code today on debian stable.. because I am working with the developers and need the latest code.. |
| 23:54.19 | nsadmin | Ian1, you might like that stable for a server that gets rebooted every 5 years... whether it needs to be or not... |
| 23:54.21 | draemon_ | which is option 2 on your list in terms of running (and I've never had any problems) but building is the tricky bit |
| 23:54.22 | Ian1 | nvz, so if you install vlc, iceweasel or libre you will get a newer version if....? |
| 23:54.26 | draemon_ | s/building/packaging |
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| 23:54.44 | utrrrongeeb | Any idea how to get bugs fixed without fixing them myself, which seeing as I don't know how is rather difficult? Xfce4 and Thunar in particular. |
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| 23:55.03 | jetscreamer | pay somebody ? :) |
| 23:55.08 | Ian1 | nsadmin, stable is not good as a desktop OS ? |
| 23:55.12 | nvz | Ian1: you also have to understand what I mean by we dont care about higer version numbers.. we still roll in all the latest fixes from the new upstream iceweasel, we just dont change the version number |
| 23:55.12 | phogg | utrrrongeeb: file bug reports with the upstream, follow up on them, offer to fund the fix |
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| 23:55.36 | phogg | aren't there some current sites doing open source development bounties? |
| 23:55.52 | Ian1 | nvz, got it, but whats about features ? |
| 23:55.57 | utrrrongeeb | Not for Xfce and Thunar, I don't think. |
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| 23:56.24 | utrrrongeeb | That's not exactly "easier"... guess I'll have to learn C++ eventually |
| 23:56.39 | phogg | utrrrongeeb: generically, I mean |
| 23:57.06 | nvz | Ian1: you'd have to upgrade for that.. and it may or may not be painful.. for example when I backported the 0.9.15 hedgewars from sid(unstable) for just that reason it was missing build-dependancies in squeeze.. the new 0.9.16 trunk code also was missing further dependancies.. however if you know how to resolve these issues, its not a big deal |
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| 23:57.33 | utrrrongeeb | phogg: memtest86+ not launching is probably too small to qualify. SMB failing in Thunar is fairly small too. And an annoying error message is trivial. |
| 23:57.47 | nvz | Ian1: you have to know that it doesn't matter that 0.9.16 hedgewars wants libqt4webkit-dev because that is satisfied by libqt4-dev |
| 23:57.52 | Ian1 | nvz, do you have an online documentation example for that? |
| 23:58.13 | nvz | Ian1: in a perfect senario you can do a simple sid backport, you can /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:58.40 | Ian1 | nvz, again, would you say that stable is not a good desktop OS? |
| 23:59.10 | jetscreamer | it's perfectly fine |
| 23:59.14 | nvz | Ian1: its fine for a desktop OS |
| 23:59.21 | jetscreamer | maybe not all the bells and whistles you want |
| 23:59.36 | nvz | I've been using debian stable for the last 12 years |
