| 00:00.06 | Ian1 | ok...just grow up with the idea to have always the latest features and versions |
| 00:00.14 | nvz | suits all my needs.. but when I read things like http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and http://www.debian.org/social_contract I agree with that 100% |
| 00:00.43 | nvz | those documents are WHY I'm a debian user.. because they outline my priorities perfectly |
| 00:00.51 | Ian1 | nvz, what do you mean with /msg dpkg ssb ? do you have an online example ? |
| 00:01.06 | nvz | !ssb |
| 00:01.06 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 00:01.09 | jetscreamer | !tell Ian1 -about ssb |
| 00:01.12 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 00:01.28 | nvz | yeah well if he doesnt understand /msg chances are he wouldnt see that msg coming in either.. heh |
| 00:01.40 | jetscreamer | true |
| 00:01.40 | nvz | not much going on here other than this discussion, so.. |
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| 00:01.55 | jetscreamer | i see the channel nazi isn't monitoring |
| 00:02.12 | nvz | who's that? heh |
| 00:02.19 | nsadmin | there's onhly one??! |
| 00:02.24 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 00:02.36 | nvz | alex has been a bit of a nazi lately.. idk what crawled up his butt and died |
| 00:02.44 | nsadmin | besides it's relevent to support |
| 00:02.46 | nvz | he has gotten really serious lately |
| 00:03.27 | Ian1 | it is not a discussion, it is an explanation |
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| 00:03.44 | nsadmin | it happens to all us nazis ^W helpers |
| 00:03.58 | nvz | Ian1: in due time a debian user figures out how to address all issues with debian.. but there are a lot of things to learn.. |
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| 00:04.21 | nvz | Ian1: what I am trying to get at is do you or do you not agree with the debian social contract and why debian pages I linked? |
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| 00:04.38 | nvz | cause thats what it comes down to.. if you don't agree with what debian does and why it does it, then its probably not for you |
| 00:05.00 | nvz | I could not imagine a better OS or community to be a part of |
| 00:05.10 | nsadmin | one thing is, debian (for better or worse) has a stranglehold on versions of things... there's ONLY ONE version of each thing (well, a few exceptions) |
| 00:05.35 | nvz | yeah but those are clearly marked.. like gdm and gdm3 in squeeze |
| 00:05.50 | nvz | or like grub has been up to this release |
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| 00:05.59 | Ian1 | nvz, just for example, lets say there is a new firefox version that supports html5 or maybe a faster and energsafer flash codec or what ever, and I want it, do you know how I can get it, maybe do you have an example ? |
| 00:06.20 | nsadmin | you can build stuff yourself... and, unless you're really careful, you've created a separate pool in the lake of debian |
| 00:06.26 | zykotick9 | Ian1, Debian lingo change #1 firefox = iceweasel ;) |
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| 00:07.18 | nvz | Ian1: you would first check backports.debian.org to see if it was backported, then you'd attempt a simple sid backport by adding a deb-src line for sid, and the backports.debian.org repo for stable to your sources list, and using apt-get to fetch the source and build dependancies, and then to build the new source against your current libs |
| 00:07.34 | zykotick9 | Ian1, iceweasel has a mozilla.debian.net page where you CAN get all the cutting edge versions (exception that proves rule ;) |
| 00:07.42 | nvz | if that fails, you'd have to build it manually changing debian control file or such to resolve dependency issues |
| 00:07.44 | laidback_01 | lol... kernel.org got rooted. bet the freebsd guys are laughing their butts off. |
| 00:08.00 | nvz | laidback_01: haha.. where did you hear this? or is it obvious from going to the site? |
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| 00:08.16 | jetscreamer | well that sucks, seeing as that's my mirror of choice |
| 00:08.19 | laidback_01 | yeah, read the news on kernel.org, they are pretty open abou tit. |
| 00:08.21 | nsadmin | it seems self-building is frowned upon, and most of the source of that seems to be people who are (a) parental and (b) not wanting to support anything that's NIH |
| 00:08.31 | Ian1 | hmm, I guess there is not an online example nvz ? |
| 00:08.33 | nvz | laidback_01: ah, well that is funny, but offtopic |
| 00:08.50 | jetscreamer | my sources are not offtopic imo but who cares |
| 00:08.52 | nvz | Ian1: why the hell would there be an example? you're not a debian user.. I've told you this many times now |
| 00:09.15 | Ian1 | I said that I am new in debian :) |
| 00:09.22 | laidback_01 | nvz: really? I use kernel.org sources... but, probably no other debian users do.. so, yeah, you're right. |
| 00:09.33 | nevyn | uses kernels from git. |
| 00:09.34 | nvz | well when you have an actual issue other than hypotheticals we'd be happy to help you out |
| 00:09.37 | nevyn | but I build deb's |
| 00:09.50 | nvz | hypothetical solutions to hypothetical problems is far beyond the scope of this channel |
| 00:09.54 | nsadmin | Ian1, the presumption is you're not going to be new forever |
| 00:10.15 | laidback_01 | ... |
| 00:10.18 | nvz | laidback_01: oh I do as well actually ;) |
| 00:10.51 | Ian1 | hmm, ok, I think that I have to google and to try/error it :/ |
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| 00:11.04 | jetscreamer | they give good bandwidth |
| 00:11.33 | nsadmin | I wish I knew what some people mean by ...; as near as I can tell it's "I just now got triggered by something someone said" |
| 00:11.42 | nvz | my netbook still thinks its plugged in and the battery is fully charged.. heh.. its been unplugged this whole time.. |
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| 00:13.16 | nvz | nsadmin: you're not familiar with the expression "near as I can tell"? |
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| 00:14.07 | Ian1 | btw: whats the best debian source ? |
| 00:14.14 | Ian1 | latest stuff and so on |
| 00:14.17 | draemon_ | nvz, nsadmin: well just changing the arch to amd64 in the control file and hacking the makefile to build 32 binaries just worked |
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| 00:14.59 | nvz | Ian1: they are all the same... all the official ones are anyhow.. the latest stuff for stable is coming from security mirror anyhow and there is only one |
| 00:15.19 | nvz | draemon_: heh |
| 00:15.36 | nvz | draemon_: you have ia32-libs installed then I take it? |
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| 00:17.52 | thogar | where does LXRandR store its config? |
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| 00:18.26 | nvz | I never heard of lxrandr so I wouldnt know, but I bet its manual page would |
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| 00:19.20 | Ian1 | nvz: do you use testing? |
| 00:19.22 | nvz | typically the files used by a command are at the bottom of its manpage |
| 00:20.02 | nvz | Ian1: not currently, and havent in quite some time.. but I am thinking about possibly upgrading this netbook that I just upgraded to squeeze from lenny, to testing.. not sure yet. |
| 00:20.38 | Ian1 | you know that the packeges of testing are at least a week old |
| 00:20.39 | draemon_ | nvz: yes I have ia32-libs installed |
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| 00:21.09 | nvz | Ian1: I am highly familiar with the debian release cycle.. I started using 2.2 "potato" about 12 years ago now.. |
| 00:21.21 | gnarface | ARGH! NVIDIA WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME!?! |
| 00:22.04 | nvz | gnarface: nooo.. nvidia doesn't forsaken its users! |
| 00:22.05 | nvz | heh |
| 00:22.25 | nvz | I love nvidia.. but if you just want shit to work without any additional steps intel has gotten really easy to use |
| 00:22.36 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 00:22.54 | nvz | though this has intel and randomly after several hours the video craps out and only a reboot will allow X to run again |
| 00:23.10 | Ian1 | nvz, why do you want to change? |
| 00:23.20 | nvz | Ian1: to wheezy? |
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| 00:23.39 | Ian1 | yes |
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| 00:24.19 | nvz | Ian1: I was considering upgrading so I can help find bugs.. and complain about issues before it gets released like I used to... I gotten comfortable using stable.. but I consider squeeze to be the worst release to date.. I am very unhappy with it |
| 00:24.32 | nvz | I just dont want to see another release with all these dumb little issues |
| 00:24.45 | cantido | nvz: become a DD and fix them all? |
| 00:25.03 | nvz | cantido: fixing them is beyond my means.. but I can however help find them |
| 00:25.19 | nvz | most of them aren't bugs so much as they are dissapearing features |
| 00:25.39 | cantido | sort of wishes more bitrotted packages would get removed |
| 00:25.50 | nvz | features that still exist but vanished from the GUI and are all working differently so someone like me who knew debian inside and out for 10 years is suddenly lost |
| 00:26.02 | nvz | now mind you gnome devs are largely responsible for this shit.. |
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| 00:26.22 | cantido | nvz: its not so much debians fault if the upstream changes stuff |
| 00:26.40 | nvz | but still.. my philosophy is that we should not have upgraded to shit that appears less featureful than what we had.. the release either should have been delayed till it was ready or it should have been made with the existing stuff |
| 00:27.04 | cantido | well, the same could be said of kde3 -> kde4 |
| 00:27.08 | nvz | not to mention the upgrade proceedure was the rockiest of all I have seen in my day |
| 00:27.19 | cantido | but if you were a DD would you want to keep kde3 running with no upstream support? |
| 00:28.04 | nvz | I upgraded this netbook to squeeze the other night just to play and work on hedgewars, and since that upgrade a few nights ago.. my text editor (gedit) in gnome was removed, my touchpad no longer taps to click.. I could go on and on about simple shit that was broken after upgrade |
| 00:28.09 | cantido | still has a machine in germany somewhere running lenny :/ |
| 00:28.14 | nvz | thats NEVER happened in all the upgrades I've done since Potato |
| 00:28.33 | nvz | nor has one been more complicated than just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:28.50 | cantido | nvz: maybe because XFree86 got so little attention for so long.. |
| 00:29.01 | nvz | like I said it probably had more to do with vast kernel changes, and things beyond our control.. but still it was just f'n ridiculous |
| 00:29.06 | Ian1 | nvz: first I have to get warm with stable, then I have to learn hot to pick just the latest tools that I want with deps and how to update them automatialy, and how to downgrade if I have to, how to fix bugs and if I have some experience I will switch to testing |
| 00:29.12 | cantido | they didnt break anything but they didnt fix anything either |
| 00:29.15 | nvz | if it wasnt ready, we shouldnt have released it.. thats the debian way as I know it |
| 00:29.53 | nvz | Ian1: sounds like a plan.. familiarizing yourself with the package system and the bug tracking system is key. |
| 00:29.53 | Ian1 | nvz: could you maybe give me some links who can help me ?:) |
| 00:30.15 | aidalgol | Why would one use LMDE over straight Debian sid? |
| 00:30.29 | pfred1 | aidalgol freedom of choice |
| 00:30.41 | nvz | Ian1: you can just come here for help.. and we can direct you as needed when problems arise.. different issues require different solutions |
| 00:30.44 | aidalgol | pfred1: How is it different? |
| 00:30.54 | pfred1 | aidalgol I don't know |
| 00:30.59 | mosno2 | aidalgol, why not ask the Mint people |
| 00:31.06 | pfred1 | don't mean I'm going to fault anyone for using it though |
| 00:31.11 | aidalgol | mosno2: Good point. |
| 00:31.18 | nvz | I just bitched at a friend for sending me a f'n cups log in my email... twice... I dont even know what kinda printer he has.. |
| 00:31.47 | Ian1 | nvz: ok but before I start to annoy you I want to imporve my debian vocabular and just get a basic idea :) |
| 00:31.50 | aidalgol | From what I can tell, it's only slightly different out of the box. |
| 00:31.50 | nvz | I told him you go through the regular channels.. irc.. mailinglists.. like everyone else.. if I'm in support mode and know how to help I will.. if not, someone else will help |
| 00:32.42 | nvz | Ian1: you're not annoying me.. I'm taking a crap right now.. then I'm turning this machine off and leaving.. heh. Just use debian, when you run into something, come here and ask.. if someone here can't help you they will direct you to where you can find help |
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| 00:33.51 | Ian1 | but do could you give me at least some links about upgradeing, downgrading, auto updates with specific packs etc. please :D |
| 00:34.17 | nvz | Ian1: I dont know of any links.. I only know how to help when you have a real problem |
| 00:34.24 | pfred1 | Ian1 http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 00:34.42 | Ian1 | nvz, ok bro :) |
| 00:35.12 | nvz | Ian1: if you have internet access, idling here will be the best thing you've ever done... freenode is invaluable resource for all kinds of things |
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| 00:36.13 | nvz | Ian1: I've only been hanging out in #hedgewars for a few days, and just found the game a few days earlier.. already I'm a beta tester for the IOS port, and working on implemeting new game modes.. could've never familiarized myself that well with the game and its code without freenode |
| 00:36.25 | Ian1 | pfred1, thx, hope I will find upgrade package, downgrade etc in it :D |
| 00:36.40 | pfred1 | nvz when it comes right down to it /usr/share/<package>/doc can help a lot |
| 00:36.52 | Ian1 | nvz, ok :) |
| 00:37.33 | pfred1 | nvz I don't know how much I've Googled found 10 conflicting answers then finally found the right one there |
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| 00:38.58 | nvz | yeah well thats common linux knowledge.. I tell most new users familiarizing with the FHS is one of the best things you can do |
| 00:39.09 | nvz | in linux everything is a file, and they all have a place |
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| 00:39.36 | kingsley | Has a package replaced the one named "limo", which is like "ls" on steroids? (limo was removed from most unstable architectures). |
| 00:39.59 | pfred1 | one thing that is becoming more of an issue as time goes on is all of the crufty old documentation that is floating around anymore |
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| 00:40.24 | pfred1 | a lot of the old stuff kind of halfway works today or is totally wrong |
| 00:40.43 | somiaj | kingsley: sometimes you can find that info on the bug report of the package. There is also some other page that gives you details and history on packages |
| 00:40.45 | nvz | pfred1: heh, I once filed bugs against samba-doc for containing Oreilly's Using Samba guide that literally makes shit up.. |
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| 00:41.13 | nvz | stuff mind you that is not and never will be possible in samba |
| 00:41.16 | pfred1 | nvz I never used Samba but as I understand it it has had to change a lot over time because of outside influences |
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| 00:41.42 | Delf | I'm going nuts. Trying to set eth0 to down using ifconfig eth0 down and after the dhcp lease time runs out, it's up again.. |
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| 00:42.17 | somiaj | Delf: do you have the network manager automically contorling it? |
| 00:42.33 | pfred1 | somiaj I was thinking along the same lines |
| 00:42.36 | Delf | somiaj: Not that I know. |
| 00:42.40 | nvz | anywho.. I'm leaving wifi range.. will probably be back on with my cell if I get signal where I'm going.. later. |
| 00:43.13 | kuznetzvo | does that mean ye have hotplug enabled or something set to auto? this is somewhat relevant to a topic i had been working on |
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| 00:43.27 | pfred1 | Delf we'll just have to take that as a yes then ;) |
| 00:43.49 | Delf | pfred1: It is a no. |
| 00:43.50 | kuznetzvo | and isn't the right command ifdown -a or specifying eth0 ? |
| 00:44.26 | Ian1 | btw: is it possible to hide grub in debian? |
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| 00:44.38 | Ian1 | and to enter it with a hotkey |
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| 00:45.25 | kuznetzvo | ian, i've never heard anyone ask that question before. sorry idk :( |
| 00:45.53 | pfred1 | kuznetzvo I could see the utility in doing it if you didn't want to confuse a user with a menu |
| 00:45.56 | Delf | pfred1, somiaj: How do I kill the network manager? |
| 00:46.29 | pfred1 | Delf you may not need to take such drastic steps you may want to try to manage it first |
| 00:46.45 | kuznetzvo | ? |
| 00:46.49 | kuznetzvo | woops that was a mis fire |
| 00:47.05 | Delf | There is an "Auto eth0" and an "Auto eth1". |
| 00:47.24 | Delf | I hit disconnect for both eth's in systray menu. |
| 00:47.29 | pfred1 | Delf in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:47.49 | Delf | pfred1: I been there, I don't understand the syntax in those files. |
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| 00:48.18 | pfred1 | Delf yeah I have to be honest I struggle myself with how networking is configured today |
| 00:48.50 | kuznetzvo | isn't it man 5 interfaces ? |
| 00:48.57 | Delf | I'll be committing suicide when I get my 2nd isp :) |
| 00:49.31 | pfred1 | I finally got my laptop to auto wifi connect on boot and I'm pretty happy |
| 00:49.50 | pfred1 | and there was no killing or other mayhem involved |
| 00:50.22 | Delf | Mo self-genocide? |
| 00:50.26 | Delf | No* |
| 00:50.58 | pfred1 | Delf I know how frustrating dealing with some of the tools can be but it may be worthwhile to try to work with thm before you completely abandon them |
| 00:51.27 | Delf | pfred1: I will abandon them when I understood them :D |
| 00:51.27 | pfred1 | Delf because if you do get them working for you I believe they can do more sophisticated things than the old ways could |
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| 00:52.20 | pfred1 | although at one point what I had to do in the applet reminded me a bit of configuring the hardware manager in Windows ... |
| 00:52.20 | Delf | I know Debian is flexible but it is not newbie friendly. It's more pro friendly. |
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| 00:53.31 | pfred1 | Delf well it is intermediate friendly and that is important because all those layers that make things newbie friendly can be hard to deal with once you begin to get involved with them |
| 00:53.37 | kuznetzvo | i like it. i get bitched at often though about how slow debian is to release updates and in particular, how arch linux etc is superior because of the latest kernel support built in... |
| 00:53.46 | kuznetzvo | though my opinion has always been if it works, don't fuck with it |
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| 00:54.34 | snax | hi |
| 00:54.39 | snax | I'm getting: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 00:54.39 | Delf | kuznetzvo: That is one big fat "if it works".. |
| 00:54.42 | snax | whats wrong with this line? mount -o loop foo.iso mydir |
| 00:54.43 | pfred1 | kuznetzvo I installed the latest kernel on my laptop it seems to work well to me |
| 00:55.09 | kuznetzvo | butg doesn't that mean anytime you upgrade you have to do it all over again? |
| 00:56.15 | pfred1 | snax try -t iso9660 |
| 00:56.48 | snax | thanks |
| 00:56.51 | pfred1 | np |
| 00:58.54 | gnarface | what's a good framerate for glxgears these days? |
| 00:59.38 | pfred1 | gnarface I think my laptop with onboard intel i915 gets maybe 500 fps or so |
| 01:00.40 | gnarface | ok |
| 01:00.42 | pfred1 | whoah this machine is on fire tonite! 3564 frames in 5.0 seconds = 712.734 FPS |
| 01:01.00 | pfred1 | it is a nvidia MX200 |
| 01:01.02 | Delf | yay! I killed all dhclient processes :D |
| 01:01.11 | gnarface | pfred1: 97853 frames in 5.0 seconds = 19570.553 FPS --- i guess i wont' worry |
| 01:01.21 | Ian1 | if I type "apt-cache search word" does realy uses my cache where all programms are written or does it search the "repository text file" ? |
| 01:01.38 | pfred1 | gnarface I guess it all depends what you plan on doing with it that counts |
| 01:01.52 | gnarface | pfred1: nothing more intense than world of warcraft |
| 01:02.09 | pfred1 | gnarface it can likely handle it |
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| 01:02.40 | Ian1 | nvz, if I type "apt-cache search word" does realy uses my cache where all programms are written or does it search the "repository text file" ? |
| 01:03.08 | pfred1 | Ian1 aptitude search seems to search everything to me |
| 01:03.11 | kuznetzvo | thanks guys. i seriously, seriously appreciate all the work you put into helping people and helping debian. means a lot. i haven't studied programming and years but if there's anything i can do to help, lemme know. gonna take a civ4 break. cheers. |
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| 01:04.20 | nvz | Ian1: it searches the local cache, i.e. can be done offline |
| 01:04.52 | nvz | Ian1: aptitude can be used as a drop-in replacement for the apt-get and apt-cache commands.. i.e. aptitude install foo or aptitude search foo |
| 01:04.55 | Delf | any good manuals to read about how to set up multiple eth's with different isps? |
| 01:05.10 | pfred1 | nvz I think what they want to know is if it searches just installed or a global database |
| 01:05.21 | Delf | I'll be having a second isp soon. |
| 01:05.31 | Ian1 | aptitude-cache is better then apr-cache search ? but I just want to know what and where it search, I mean if I "apt-get update" it writes a text file with all programs that my repos have, wouldnt it be better to look there ? |
| 01:05.42 | gnarface | Delf: i don't know of any but i think you want to google "equal cost multipath routing" ... can anyone check me on that? |
| 01:05.43 | Ian1 | than to waste cach |
| 01:06.04 | Ian1 | nvz: i.e. ?:) |
| 01:06.09 | Delf | gnarface: I googled multiple isps linux :p |
| 01:06.17 | nvz | Ian1: pfred1, well the cache is literally a local database that is fetched from the mirrors in sources.list when you run update, and it is a local file /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin |
| 01:06.22 | pfred1 | I remember the old shotgun modems |
| 01:06.39 | nvz | Ian1: i.e. means for example |
| 01:07.00 | pfred1 | nvz there is a dpkg command I believe it is that only searches your installed packages |
| 01:07.03 | gnarface | Delf: its really not hard if your network topology is very simple it can be as easy as just adding two gateways... at least for failover... the really tricky part is getting shotgun mode working |
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| 01:07.54 | pfred1 | try to search linux network bonding |
| 01:07.58 | nvz | Ian1: aptitude is what people in here stress use of, personally I dont like it for 2 simple reasons 1) I'm used to the old way, and too old and stubborn to learn aptitude and train myself to type that instead, and 2) it takes slightly longer because it reads the package database twice.. before AND after the command, apt only does it once |
| 01:08.04 | gnarface | oh that's a good one pfred1 |
| 01:08.10 | nvz | Ian1: I will not however deny it has MANY more features |
| 01:08.12 | Ian1 | nvz: cache is a part in my RAM but in that case it is a file right, the /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin file |
| 01:08.23 | gnarface | Delf: pfred1 pointed out you want to look into "network bonding" as well |
| 01:08.29 | pfred1 | might be what you want to do I don't know |
| 01:08.58 | nvz | pfred1: well dpkg is the package manager, apt is a frontend.. apt has connectivity to removable media, http, ftp...etc sources.. dpkg does not.. it deals solely with whats on the system |
| 01:09.00 | Delf | gnarface: shutgun mode? |
| 01:09.04 | Delf | shotgun* |
| 01:09.07 | gnarface | Delf: bonding == shotgun mode |
| 01:09.19 | pfred1 | nvz it sure seems that way to me |
| 01:09.22 | nvz | pfred1: dpkg -l is for listing packages, their breif description and installed status, dpkg -L is for listing their installed files |
| 01:09.42 | pfred1 | nvz handy commands |
| 01:09.46 | gnarface | Delf: the difference is you get twice the bandwidth for individual connections, where as multipath routing only will benefit multiple seperate network streams |
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| 01:09.54 | Ian1 | nvz, didnt know that aptitude does it twice, but it also only work lokal, right? |
| 01:10.06 | pfred1 | nvz if it wasn't for Debian's package management tools I could wel lse myself using another distribution |
| 01:10.11 | nvz | Ian1: no aptitude is a more advanced frotend to apt-get |
| 01:10.31 | pfred1 | nvz but debs tools rock! |
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| 01:10.53 | nvz | Ian1: or apt rather... when run with normal apt-get or apt-cache commands like search, install, remove, show.. etc.. it is a drop-in replacement on the command line. however when run without any arguments, its a fully interactive package manager |
| 01:10.53 | pfred1 | I can't say as I'm 100% about the ncurces front end to aptitude |
| 01:11.07 | pfred1 | it reminds me a bit too much of dselect for my tastes |
| 01:11.10 | Delf | gnarface: twice the bandwidth? |
| 01:11.45 | gnarface | Delf: well, +- computational overhead, but basically yea the total of the bandwidth of all the connections bonded |
| 01:11.48 | nvz | Ian1: its advanced features include but are not limited to the fully interactive package manager (running just aptitude) and its ability to resolve complex package issues. |
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| 01:12.20 | Burns | Hello |
| 01:12.22 | Delf | gnarface: If the client's behind the gateway is using multiple connections, correct? |
| 01:12.23 | Ian1 | nvz, hmm...hard to imagine, just thought that aptitude is just a frontend of dpkg |
| 01:12.31 | Burns | I'd like to give permission to a certain users for a certain folder |
| 01:12.33 | pfred1 | Delf if there is networking magic to be done Linux is a good bet to do it |
| 01:12.39 | Burns | since I get permission denied |
| 01:12.40 | Delf | gnarface: For instance, transmission? |
| 01:12.47 | Burns | but I do not know how to do that |
| 01:12.55 | nvz | Ian1: yes, both apt an aptitude are frontends.. only apt is only command line, aptitude is also a fully interactive curses UI |
| 01:13.25 | gnarface | Delf: that's the idea, but it might require ISP level support - where as equal cost multipath routing can be done without their help and is just as useful if you're dealing with tons of users - as it still adds redundency and load distribution |
| 01:13.32 | nvz | Ian1: using it instead is better for new users because it CAN resolve package issues and it also tends to keep a history of what it does, making undoing things easier as I understand |
| 01:13.56 | Ian1 | nvz, just to be sure, apt-cache is not the RAM cache it is the file, and if I apt-get update will I rewrite with it the /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin file ? |
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| 01:14.16 | Delf | gnarface: where can I read about how to set these things up? I'm freaking excited :D |
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| 01:14.38 | nvz | Ian1: yes, apt-cache is searching a local database file on the hard disk that is created by apt-get update or such, which is basically all the package files from all enabled sources |
| 01:14.44 | gnarface | Delf: sorry i've given you all i know specifically. you'll have to get the rest from google |
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| 01:15.16 | gnarface | Delf: i've never actually done it, just read it was possible |
| 01:15.23 | Delf | gnarface: I've googled already. I'm reading http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html |
| 01:15.26 | gnarface | Delf: but i forget where (may have been BSD man pages) |
| 01:15.39 | Ian1 | nvz: and that file is just /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin, right ?:) |
| 01:15.48 | gnarface | Delf: at first glance that looks like a good starting point |
| 01:16.05 | gnarface | Delf: assuming its current enough info at least (there's no date posted on that page) |
| 01:16.07 | Delf | what about second glance? |
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| 01:16.24 | Burns | Hello ? |
| 01:16.27 | qxt | Is there anyway on earth to install testing so iceweasel does not crash? Tired netinstall, businesscard and of coarse upgrading squeeze stable. |
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| 01:16.50 | gnarface | Delf: well its referring to iptables so that part should not have changed much syntax wise... ipchains which it also mentions though is long-since deprecated |
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| 01:17.09 | nvz | Ian1: I am not certain, but that looks like it.. cause all the apt cache is in /var/cache/apt and thats one of only two files in there.. heh |
| 01:17.28 | Delf | gnarface: I'm not familiar with that syntax either. I'm a total newbie. I recently managed to get isc dhcpd to run. |
| 01:17.43 | Ian1 | nvz, thats why I asked :D |
| 01:17.54 | gnarface | Delf: also when i last read about this, it was i'm pretty sure in BSD packet filter configuration, so you and i are at the same level in that respect |
| 01:17.56 | nvz | Ian1: /var/cache/apt/archives/ is where all packages are downloaded, you can run apt-get clean to clear that out.. as they are not needed once they are unpacked and it will save space clearing your package cache |
| 01:18.07 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to take output from a program, and pipe it through grep and into a speech synthesize, while the program is still running -- so I get the synthesized messages shortly after they're printed. It isn't working quite right, though. |
| 01:18.29 | qxt | wheezy/testing are mega broke when it comes to Iceweasel. Is there anyway around this problem? |
| 01:18.41 | utrrrongeeb | qxt: mozilla.debian.net |
| 01:19.11 | utrrrongeeb | Regarding speech synthesis, I was hoping to use espeak. |
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| 01:19.38 | gnarface | Delf: the topic i'm pretty sure is correct, so any questions it doesn't answer can probably be answered by other articles under the same search results |
| 01:20.08 | qxt | utrrrongeeb, your sure about that. I am been looking at a butt load of code in gnomes-vfs 2.0 and it looks fishy. |
| 01:20.28 | utrrrongeeb | qxt: You think it might conflict with Iceweasel? |
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| 01:20.37 | qxt | utrrrongeeb, yeah |
| 01:21.07 | utrrrongeeb | qxt: I'm running Wheezy and Iceweasel 5.0 from that repo. Amd64. No problems yet. (Thunar is a different story.) |
| 01:22.35 | qxt | utrrrongeeb, hmmm....OK well Ill give mozilla.debian.net a go and see. Funny thing is I even tested this on "Real" FF and got the same problems. I am not alone. This is now listed as a grave bug. |
| 01:22.39 | utrrrongeeb | Does Iceweasel even use gnome-vfs? |
| 01:22.45 | utrrrongeeb | What's the bug? |
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| 01:23.10 | qxt | utrrrongeeb, it should not do it anymore that is so... last week. But it does. |
| 01:23.23 | utrrrongeeb | Do what? |
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| 01:24.43 | utrrrongeeb | Time I left -- hope there's no trouble... *yawn* |
| 01:25.18 | Delf | gnarface: Most likely. Thanks for the help btw. |
| 01:25.31 | gnarface | Delf: good luck |
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| 01:25.52 | Delf | gnarface: Thanks again :D |
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| 01:29.54 | qxt | Sry had to dobble check. Yup it looks like ice weasel is using Gnome-vfs. I get this: |
| 01:30.02 | qxt | /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: |
| 01:30.02 | qxt | /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so: undefined symbol: |
| 01:31.00 | qxt | and as you can see it has something to do with that libfile.so =/ |
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| 01:31.30 | vn | heya, any idea where I could find a vm of debian sarge with LAMP? |
| 01:31.35 | vn | vbox or vmware |
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| 01:39.34 | nvz | vmware player has an online database full of preconfigured vms last I checked |
| 01:40.08 | nvz | I'm sure if you look around you can find one.. if not just get a regular debian one and install AMP.. heh.. cause it'll already have the L |
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| 01:40.37 | nvz | apt-get install apache mysql php |
| 01:40.44 | Ian2 | I installed debian stable, now I get an error: |
| 01:41.08 | nvz | Ian2: if its more than a one-liner, you need to paste it on paste.debian.net |
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| 01:41.42 | Ian2 | I cant paste it, I have to write it because it is on my netbook |
| 01:42.01 | nvz | Ian2: at what point did the error occur? |
| 01:42.11 | nvz | Ian2: paraphrase I can probably figure it out |
| 01:42.13 | qxt | OK even the mozilla.debian.net has the same problems as IW. I little debugging and you see that libfile.so uses sysems from gnome-vfs. Its depended on gnome-vfs. This is REALLY lame since all these features should be from libgio and not deprecated gnome-vfs! |
| 01:42.59 | Ian2 | error: symbol ot found: 'grub_os_area_addr'........failed to boot both default and fallback entires, hmm the stable dont have the kernel 3.0, I need it because there is the driver of my wlan that I need |
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| 01:43.17 | nvz | qxt: what are you even ranting about, what is the version of debian we're talking about here? |
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| 01:43.44 | nvz | Ian2: what is your wlan device? |
| 01:44.17 | nvz | Ian2: Debian 6.0 released three months ago, kernel 3 came out about a week ago.. heh |
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| 01:44.36 | qxt | nvz any progressive coding for Debian. |
| 01:44.44 | Ian2 | atk5 modul, thats what I need |
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| 01:44.56 | Ian2 | nvz, it is the first start and I got an error |
| 01:45.01 | nvz | qxt: sounds like bullshit to me |
| 01:45.02 | Ian2 | so it doesnt boot |
| 01:45.12 | Ian2 | what sould I do to boot my system? |
| 01:45.21 | pfred1 | nvz 2.6.39.4 runs fine on Squeeze for me |
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| 01:45.51 | nvz | Ian2: my netbook uses ath5k and I know it doesnt need kernel 3.0, I also know for a fact that no wlan module, buggy, missing, or otherwise will ever stop a kernel from booting |
| 01:45.56 | qxt | nvz how is this for bullshit http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626076 |
| 01:46.35 | nvz | qxt: whatever you are on about is an issue either for the BTS as you just linked to, or for you to become a DD and fix it.. not to rant about in here |
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| 01:47.13 | nvz | #debian is not a developer channel, its a support channel, if you already know of the issue and the bts, then you're past the scope of this channel |
| 01:47.32 | Ian2 | nvz: I read that in a ubuntu forum, because since ubunut 11.04 I didnt have wlan, since I installed kernel 3.0 it workes out of the box |
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| 01:47.37 | vn | 2nvz: yea, but are sarge/woody/potato still working? |
| 01:47.48 | Ian2 | nvz: anyway, what sould I do to start my debian? |
| 01:48.03 | Ian2 | grub doesnt start any kernel |
| 01:48.13 | qxt | nvz point me in the right direction on IRC and Ill see if I can help out with the code. |
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| 01:48.47 | vn | err...debian 6 released? |
| 01:48.49 | vn | I'm late |
| 01:49.04 | nvz | Ian2: so this netbook is intel atom then? and you've gotten the i386 installer and gone through it all already, and the grub is failing after you select the kernel? |
| 01:49.31 | Ian2 | yes sir |
| 01:49.36 | nvz | qxt: your issue is with debian, and not present in the upstream code? |
| 01:49.50 | Ian2 | it sais: grub os area addr |
| 01:49.57 | Ian2 | sybmol not found |
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| 01:50.29 | nvz | qxt: if so, and its not fixed in testing/unstable, then you need to contact the maintainers whos email is in the package information.. filing a bug essentially does the same thing.. but if you're this pissed you might as well email them too |
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| 01:51.35 | nvz | Ian2: I've never heard that before.. but lets backup a bit... how did you get the installer launched on this netbook and what install media did you use.. as I know netbooks rarely have cds.. |
| 01:52.18 | nvz | Ian2: what I want you to try is when grub loads, just hit 'e' to edit one of the entries.. and look at the kernel command line |
| 01:52.38 | Ian2 | yes sir, used an usb and added the mini.iso via unetbootin |
| 01:52.59 | Ian2 | e for edit and than add 3 for init 3 :) |
| 01:53.16 | zykotick9 | Ian2, mini.iso? Is that an Ubuntu ISO? |
| 01:53.22 | nvz | Ian2: hmm? I want to know is that kernel command line using UUID |
| 01:53.25 | Ian2 | no, debian |
| 01:53.34 | Ian2 | UUID ? |
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| 01:53.54 | nvz | Ian2: yes, do you see any root= or UUID= in the kernel command line? |
| 01:54.18 | Ian2 | I see insmod part:msdos |
| 01:54.24 | Ian2 | insmod ext2 |
| 01:54.49 | qxt | nvz Nah not pissed. Ill see if there is anything I can do with the code. Just a little surprised that a Bug marked Severity:Grave and hits all upstream code and that is merged with bugs 637359, 637960, 638023, 638065, 638892, 639457, 639746, 639852 would hang around since May. |
| 01:54.51 | Ian2 | set root = '(hd1.msdos1)' |
| 01:55.27 | nvz | qxt: you've not been around long then.. things linger for a long time sometimes.. |
| 01:55.58 | Ian2 | nvz, root= UUID = 4f2f0a4d-c256-4015... |
| 01:56.08 | jetscreamer | even showstoppers that keep some select computer hw configurations from boooting after installation |
| 01:57.05 | nvz | Ian2: well you shouldnt have both root= and UUID= I think that actually works but its just suppose to be UUID= |
| 01:57.17 | onryo | nvz its all good. I was on a tight time schedule with OpenBSD. I know what kind of pressure that can be like. Move over to Debian a week ago or so. |
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| 01:57.55 | jetscreamer | it's been root= since grub1 |
| 01:58.07 | Ian2 | nvz: what is UUID ? |
| 01:58.15 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 01:58.16 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 01:58.17 | nvz | yes but when specifying UUID you only need to say UUID= |
| 01:58.34 | nvz | UUID is what makes a boot work when installing on a netbook.. heh |
| 01:58.41 | nvz | cause your devices always end up changed |
| 01:58.47 | jetscreamer | see also /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 01:58.50 | Ian2 | and how can I remove it? I mean if I use the navigation keys I get new characters |
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| 02:00.48 | nvz | thats probably not your problem |
| 02:01.27 | jetscreamer | mini.iso is http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 02:02.03 | nvz | well if he used amd64 its not gonna run on intel atom netbook.. heh |
| 02:02.16 | jetscreamer | as 'one' example |
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| 02:03.26 | Ian2 | nvz, yesterday I installed debian testing |
| 02:03.40 | nvz | Ian2: on this same machine? |
| 02:03.47 | Ian2 | just removed it because an iceweasel problem |
| 02:03.49 | Ian2 | yes sir |
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| 02:04.28 | jetscreamer | you nuked a testing installation because iceweasel didn't work right? |
| 02:04.28 | nvz | Ian2: sounds to me like your grub map may be wrong or something of that nature |
| 02:04.51 | nvz | heh, shocker.. testing has bugs.. no story at 11 |
| 02:04.52 | Ian2 | jetscreamer, yes |
| 02:04.52 | jetscreamer | what's the error, can't find root? |
| 02:05.24 | jetscreamer | and you installed with a usb stick |
| 02:05.30 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 02:05.58 | jetscreamer | [20.56.10] <jetscreamer> even showstoppers that keep some select computer hw configurations from boooting after installation |
| 02:05.59 | nvz | jetscreamer: thats pretty much how you gotta do it on these |
| 02:06.02 | jetscreamer | sorry didn't know :) |
| 02:06.21 | nvz | jetscreamer: I'm on one now, only has card readers and usb.. only other option is netboot |
| 02:06.25 | jetscreamer | yeah it's the usb stick |
| 02:06.34 | jetscreamer | being the install media |
| 02:06.39 | nvz | thats why I thought perhaps it was a UUID not being used somehow |
| 02:06.49 | nvz | but the error sounds more like a grub fining the partition error |
| 02:06.51 | jetscreamer | the bios says 'ok usb stick is first in chain' |
| 02:07.03 | jetscreamer | but you take stick out after install |
| 02:07.13 | jetscreamer | simplified, but there it is |
| 02:07.25 | jetscreamer | lemme find the 'errata' on debian.org |
| 02:07.44 | jetscreamer | i got that when udev hit debian and my box |
| 02:07.47 | nvz | so maybe its the same issue but different.. its not the kernel and fstab thats screwed, its the grub disk map |
| 02:07.50 | jetscreamer | how many years ago? |
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| 02:08.26 | nvz | cause he said the error was along the lines of.. 20:45 < Ian2> error: symbol ot found: 'grub_os_area_addr'........failed to boot both default and fallback entires, hmm the stable dont have the kernel 3.0, I need it because there is the driver of my wlan that I need |
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| 02:09.00 | nvz | and I've never heard any error like that before.. but sounds like the grub saying that not the kernel |
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| 02:09.40 | jetscreamer | you surely saw me bitching about it |
| 02:09.53 | jetscreamer | it still irritates me :) |
| 02:10.13 | Ian2 | nvz: I removed testing because iceweasel had an bug, when ever I go to the preferences it crushes |
| 02:10.14 | jetscreamer | lol they hid the errata |
| 02:10.31 | Ian2 | nvz, I can go back to testing if you would help me with that bug |
| 02:11.43 | nvz | Ian2: I dont understand how/why testing didnt have the same problem.. basically all you need to do is fix grub |
| 02:11.56 | nvz | Ian2: I dont know grub command line for shit, I'd have to chroot rescue it |
| 02:12.32 | jetscreamer | it's doable but volitile... |
| 02:12.44 | jetscreamer | iirc a grub floppy worked best |
| 02:12.49 | nvz | Ian2: the issue is that when the install happened, the BIOS told the kernel that the USB was the first disk, and when it booted the HDD was |
| 02:13.06 | nvz | so now grub is confused |
| 02:13.20 | nvz | you should be able to one-line hack grub right from the menu and get it to boot |
| 02:13.20 | jetscreamer | not using initrd works, but that's not an option until you get it booted.. or so |
| 02:13.41 | nvz | I'm just not really savvy.. and I'd need to know exactly what your kernel commandline screen says |
| 02:13.42 | jetscreamer | you can, you just have to basically enter the correct grub lines |
| 02:13.53 | jetscreamer | uuid works to fix that also come to think of it |
| 02:14.15 | nvz | if you could hand copy that if thats how you gotta do it, to paste.debian.net, then we can probably just get that install to boot |
| 02:14.16 | jetscreamer | no /dev stuff to get in the way |
| 02:14.33 | nvz | I dont think its at that level, I think its the HD mapping itself |
| 02:14.48 | nvz | we arent even getting to the point of actual filesystems |
| 02:15.07 | jetscreamer | anyway, have fun |
| 02:15.19 | jetscreamer | think the wife wants more quality time... not sure |
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| 02:16.17 | Ian2 | nvz: whats about my idea, I mean the testing thing, everything runs great, just iceweasel crashes if I donwload or if I go to the preferences windos |
| 02:16.20 | Ian2 | window |
| 02:16.40 | nvz | Ian2: you mentioned something about hd1,msdos1 or something |
| 02:16.45 | nvz | that should be hd0 |
| 02:16.52 | nvz | which is the first disc |
| 02:17.02 | jetscreamer | well don't use iceweasel sheesh :) |
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| 02:17.15 | jetscreamer | grub2 i don't know... |
| 02:17.19 | jetscreamer | grub1 i did |
| 02:17.22 | nvz | if someone more savvy with grub would chime in that would be great |
| 02:17.25 | Ian2 | set root = '(hd1, msdos1)' |
| 02:17.32 | nvz | cause I got a date with little pink hogs.. heh |
| 02:17.40 | jetscreamer | i have that in my grub2 menu |
| 02:17.48 | jetscreamer | so it can't be all bad i guess |
| 02:17.57 | Ian2 | nvz, if I go down, with the errow, I get an P |
| 02:18.03 | jetscreamer | the hd1 might be hd0 really |
| 02:18.21 | nvz | you never know with device maps.. heh |
| 02:18.36 | jetscreamer | well it's a netbook, should only be one hd |
| 02:18.40 | nvz | but given his explaination of the problem that seems to be the issue, this sort of thing is common on netbooks |
| 02:18.40 | jetscreamer | hd0 |
| 02:18.48 | jetscreamer | has no idea |
| 02:18.52 | nvz | jetscreamer: na, it would have thought the usb was hd0 |
| 02:19.07 | nvz | the bios tells the kernel that its sda when you boot from it |
| 02:19.09 | jetscreamer | only if a stick was in, i would think/guess/suppose |
| 02:19.25 | nvz | he installed from it.. heh |
| 02:19.28 | nvz | now its not there anymore |
| 02:19.28 | jetscreamer | so what happens if you put some stick in, Ian2 ? |
| 02:19.37 | jetscreamer | and try to boot? not nec. the installer |
| 02:19.49 | Ian2 | same error |
| 02:19.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:20.03 | jetscreamer | device map |
| 02:20.08 | jetscreamer | i remember that word |
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| 02:20.19 | nvz | haha, seriously? |
| 02:20.33 | jetscreamer | i swear, i quit running multiple controllers because of this.. now i just have many boxes |
| 02:20.37 | nvz | someone help this guy out.. I got something I gotta do and jetscreamer is clueless |
| 02:20.39 | jetscreamer | and big big hd's |
| 02:20.43 | jetscreamer | #grub |
| 02:20.51 | Ian2 | nvz, you have no idea how to navigate? |
| 02:20.54 | Ian2 | in grub |
| 02:21.20 | jetscreamer | aroow key 'should' work, if it doesn't you have a weird kb it doesn't recognize ... i 'think' |
| 02:21.28 | jetscreamer | arrow even |
| 02:21.31 | nvz | installed stable via USB stick on a netbook, is having a "grub_os_addr" error, probably due to the usb stick being mapped to sda or hd0 during install and the actual hdd being seen as hd1 |
| 02:21.47 | nvz | Ian2: I know how to navigate.. you hit e for edit then use arrows |
| 02:22.11 | jetscreamer | he's saying he gets the weird esc stuff when he hits the arrows, i think |
| 02:22.21 | jetscreamer | [3r or whatever |
| 02:22.25 | nvz | Ian2: I even have a theory of changing hd1 to hd0.. but I really dont know much about grub directly from its interface.. only how to manipulate it from the OS.. via chroot rescue or something |
| 02:22.26 | Ian2 | arrow down give me a P |
| 02:22.49 | nvz | -> hedgehogs |
| 02:23.12 | jetscreamer | Ian2: ask in #grub at same time |
| 02:23.25 | jetscreamer | i'd help but i wouldn't be much |
| 02:23.40 | jetscreamer | !comfort Ian2 |
| 02:23.40 | dpkg | There, there, Ian2. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 02:24.46 | Ian2 | I can open an command line, maybe I can nano the grub config with your help |
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| 02:26.27 | gnarface | Ian2: here's the limit of my helpful advice: your bios may be changing the definition of various hd* numberings with regards to grub's view of them between boots, in a really really fantastically annoying way. |
| 02:26.51 | Ian2 | nvz, I am installing debian testing and I hope you can help me with my iceweasel problem |
| 02:27.13 | Ian2 | gnarface: no I didnt use my bios, I just used my boot menu |
| 02:27.25 | jetscreamer | me i'd try changing hd1 to hd0, but no idea |
| 02:27.29 | gnarface | Ian2: in soviet russia, bios uses you |
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| 02:27.40 | Ian2 | with require no bios entering |
| 02:27.56 | jetscreamer | same thing |
| 02:28.00 | Ian2 | jetscreamer, I cant because my arrows doesnt work |
| 02:28.03 | jetscreamer | just different way to get there |
| 02:28.05 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 02:28.06 | gnarface | Ian2: what i meant was, its entirely possible (in fact likely) that your bios is actually doing this without your consent |
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| 02:28.35 | Ian2 | gnarface, but on the same mashine I installed debian testing, 4 hours ago |
| 02:28.44 | jetscreamer | Ian2: you might try hitting other keys and trying to find what key gives -> |
| 02:29.00 | Ian2 | I did |
| 02:29.07 | jetscreamer | been there |
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| 02:29.36 | jetscreamer | check the numlock, sometimes the light doesn't correspond properly |
| 02:29.37 | Ian2 | nothing helped, even crtl + key, shift + key or tab + key combinations didnt help |
| 02:29.42 | jetscreamer | i hit mine like 3 times or so |
| 02:29.47 | jetscreamer | and it syncs up |
| 02:30.17 | Ian2 | I will numlock off/on gave no change |
| 02:30.23 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 02:30.44 | jetscreamer | usb keyboard maybe.. |
| 02:31.26 | jetscreamer | finds himself wondering if ubuntu would work when debian doesn't but would never say such a thing |
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| 02:32.32 | bernhard2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:32.42 | jetscreamer | suse |
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| 02:36.00 | Ian2 | guys, thanks a lot of your help but nothing helped me |
| 02:36.06 | Ian2 | and I dont have an usb keyboard |
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| 02:36.51 | Ian2 | I will install debian testing, I guess it fits for me the best since I am a webdesigner and I need the latest tools like gimp etc... |
| 02:37.04 | Ian2 | I hope you can help me with my iceweasel problem |
| 02:37.39 | Ian2 | I had another problem with debian testing, I didnt find wineHQ |
| 02:38.30 | jetscreamer | it's probably contrib or non-free but i dunno |
| 02:38.39 | jetscreamer | !info wine |
| 02:38.59 | jetscreamer | wait for it |
| 02:39.04 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API implementation - standard suite), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-3.3 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 02:39.12 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 02:39.16 | jetscreamer | regular |
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| 02:39.33 | jetscreamer | it wine, and #winehq is the channel |
| 02:39.37 | jetscreamer | it's |
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| 02:40.01 | Ian2 | I mean ubuntu has it, debian should have it too |
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| 02:40.09 | jetscreamer | we do |
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| 02:40.29 | jetscreamer | !info wine testing |
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| 02:40.47 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API implementation - standard suite), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 02:41.01 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 02:41.05 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 02:41.22 | Ian2 | is installing debian testing again |
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| 02:42.45 | jetscreamer | actually it's not in testing |
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| 02:42.59 | gnarface | there hasn't been a current wine debian build for years |
| 02:43.03 | jetscreamer | unstable and stable yes, testing seems not |
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| 02:43.28 | gnarface | if you want a build of wine from anytime more recently than the last 2 years you're gonna have to build it yourself |
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| 02:51.10 | pfred1 | I used wine once it worked |
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| 02:52.05 | calisto | hi all |
| 02:52.33 | gnarface | yo |
| 02:53.20 | Ian2 | while installing the installation wants the cd |
| 02:53.25 | Ian2 | how can I skip that? |
| 02:53.32 | Ian2 | and choose network? |
| 02:53.35 | calisto | someone knows why zennoss not as a package in debian distros? |
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| 02:54.06 | gnarface | Ian2: i think so but its easier if you just use the net installer or the businesscard iso |
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| 02:54.14 | NekawA_ | haha I just did that ian2 the wheezy one |
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| 02:54.22 | NekawA_ | it asked for http/ftp mirror in the next step |
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| 02:54.50 | Ian2 | so there is no way to choose it? |
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| 02:55.16 | NekawA_ | for 'cd' i had no cd |
| 02:55.17 | NekawA_ | i just hit enter |
| 02:55.19 | gnarface | Ian2: i think if you have the cdrom full installer its easier to just finish the install then switch your source afterwards |
| 02:55.22 | NekawA_ | it autodetected the usb-stick I had in |
| 02:55.34 | NekawA_ | on the next step, it let me pick the http/ftp mirror that I wanted to use |
| 02:56.30 | Ian2 | gnarface, I am just using usb, my netbook has just usb, last time since I installed debian testing I did the business iso |
| 02:56.41 | Ian2 | but now I used the net iso |
| 02:56.50 | NekawA_ | thats the one I used ian2 |
| 02:56.59 | NekawA_ | try just leaving it blank, and hit enter when it asks for CD |
| 02:57.04 | Ian2 | is there no way to choose the net now and skip the cd thing? |
| 02:57.07 | NekawA_ | it should find the USB stick as a source |
| 02:57.29 | NekawA_ | then you can continue to the next step and pick http/ftp mirror and get everything else thru network off there |
| 02:58.22 | Ian2 | NekawA_, it sais : do you want to mount your cd now "yes or no" |
| 02:58.30 | Ian2 | if I hit yes it tries again |
| 02:58.40 | Ian2 | if I hit no it gives me an error |
| 02:58.45 | NekawA_ | weird |
| 02:58.54 | NekawA_ | i had no cd attached.. |
| 02:59.03 | NekawA_ | mine found the usb stick |
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| 03:00.51 | Ian2 | can I do it via shell? |
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| 03:01.06 | pfred1 | when you install isn't the installer supposed to comment the CD source out at the end of the installation? |
| 03:01.11 | calisto | someone knows why zennoss not as a package in debian distros? |
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| 03:01.47 | quitte_ | does anyone here happen to know what the cell size is in the context of dma transfers? |
| 03:01.48 | NekawA_ | yea pfred1 I believe he's talking about during the installation |
| 03:01.52 | quitte_ | if i set the cell size to 8 - does that mean that dma will transfer a single byte - then skip 7 byte and transfer the next byte? |
| 03:01.56 | NekawA_ | u have to find the installer for the base files |
| 03:02.01 | NekawA_ | before it has apt' to select mirrors, etc.. |
| 03:02.08 | pfred1 | NekawA_ no I'm talking about the last time I installed Squeeze |
| 03:02.12 | NekawA_ | right right.. |
| 03:02.25 | NekawA_ | your totally right, at the end it uncomments the cd part in your /etc/apt/sources part |
| 03:02.33 | NekawA_ | but, while installing, the first step (maybe 3rd after language |
| 03:02.34 | NekawA_ | ) |
| 03:02.36 | pfred1 | NekawA_ I rebooted started aptitude installing stuff and it was asking for the freaking CD still! |
| 03:02.42 | NekawA_ | after you detect/partition |
| 03:02.43 | gnarface | calisto: just guessing here but maybe because you're spelling the package name wrong? keep in mind ubuntu != debian (don't assume the package names will always be identical) |
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| 03:02.52 | pfred1 | so I had to go in and manually comment them ut and aptitude update |
| 03:02.53 | NekawA_ | it has to find itself, like the base install system |
| 03:03.17 | NekawA_ | haha thats crazy, my new wheezy install worked perfect..i used that netinstall |
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| 03:03.34 | NekawA_ | only thing is I tried to install 3x to a external usb, and lvm and encrypted lvm failed installing to external usb |
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| 03:04.05 | NekawA_ | it didn't reference the HD right I guess and couldn't boot |
| 03:04.30 | quitte | hmm. never mind. it's not. |
| 03:04.36 | pfred1 | hardly matters i had to edit my sources for contrib and non-free anyways still I found it a bit odd the installer left the CD source on me |
| 03:04.50 | NekawA_ | wheezy asked me |
| 03:04.57 | NekawA_ | i was quite happy |
| 03:04.58 | pfred1 | I thought it had always commented it out in the past |
| 03:06.02 | pfred1 | first time it asked me for the CD I was like what is next the product ID key? |
| 03:06.49 | NekawA_ | lol maybe installer bug? i definitely remember it whizzing that line past me saying it was uncommenting the sources and it worked |
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| 03:07.27 | pfred1 | yeah was the first time I installed Squeeze by CD |
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| 03:07.44 | pfred1 | other time was with a sort of botched upgrade from lenny |
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| 03:24.24 | bugzs | how do i mount a new drive |
| 03:24.38 | bugzs | want to mount it as /var/www |
| 03:24.52 | simonlnu | /etc/fstab |
| 03:25.04 | bugzs | /dev/sdb1: UUID="8907228f-2b9f-4334-a299-10d0ed73accf" TYPE="ext4" |
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| 03:26.27 | bugzs | # ssd 40 gig |
| 03:26.28 | bugzs | UUID="8907228f-2b9f-4334-a299-10d0ed73accf /test ext4 defaults 1 2 |
| 03:26.34 | bugzs | still doesnt work |
| 03:26.40 | bugzs | i typed mount |
| 03:26.44 | bugzs | and never worked |
| 03:26.51 | bugzs | ah i see |
| 03:27.29 | gnarface | bugzs: i think the UUID changes every time you reformat or resize the partition |
| 03:27.30 | bugzs | still no go |
| 03:27.55 | bugzs | root@joey:/etc# blkid /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:27.59 | gnarface | bugzs: i've even seen swap partitions get a new UUID when you remake them |
| 03:28.01 | bugzs | ./dev/sdb1: UUID="8907228f-2b9f-4334-a299-10d0ed73accf" TYPE="ext4" |
| 03:28.15 | bugzs | i typed blkid /dev/sdb1 |
| 03:28.27 | bugzs | to get its uuid |
| 03:28.44 | gnarface | bugzs: check the output of "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" |
| 03:29.35 | bugzs | whats 1 and 2 do at the end |
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| 03:31.23 | grenddale | My wlan channel fixed at -1. Where's the problem? |
| 03:33.55 | bugzs | fixed it |
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| 03:34.01 | bugzs | whats 1 2 do ? |
| 03:34.29 | grenddale | whatever 1 2 does. |
| 03:34.38 | bugzs | dont know |
| 03:34.46 | bugzs | ext4 defaults 1 2 |
| 03:35.06 | grenddale | 3la 2 4 03 ja sja |
| 03:35.55 | grenddale | aksd pwp akap vn.s |
| 03:38.04 | gnarface | bugzs: check the fstab manpage. it will explain those two columns to you |
| 03:39.12 | gnarface | bugzs: but a broad unexplained generalization is this: you want 0 1 for your root partition, and 0 2 for everything else except swap and optical drives (which should be 0 0) |
| 03:40.37 | bugzs | so the drive i added for /var/www should be 0 0 ? |
| 03:40.45 | gnarface | no |
| 03:40.49 | gnarface | 0 2 |
| 03:40.51 | bugzs | 0 1 ? |
| 03:40.53 | bugzs | ah |
| 03:40.54 | bugzs | ok |
| 03:41.27 | gnarface | bugzs: my comment seemed self-explanatory. you got it wrong so that's disturbing. maybe you should pastebin your fstab file for us |
| 03:41.41 | bugzs | ok |
| 03:42.54 | bugzs | http://pastebin.com/NHy6c6aQ |
| 03:43.19 | gnarface | bugzs: looks normal |
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| 03:43.51 | gnarface | bugzs: you should read the fstab manpage so you know why though |
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| 03:45.00 | pythos | Any chance there is a resource that carries binaries for Sarge? Perhaps someone out there has successfully compiled the apache2.0.x fix? |
| 03:46.25 | pythos | Hmm, actually, I should ask, compiled in the same way that apache2 had originally been compiled on Sarge... |
| 03:46.57 | pythos | I did get it to compile, and runs. Just not the same as the way it was originally built for Sarge. |
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| 03:52.16 | gnarface | pythos: SARGE?! jesus that takes me back. there might still be some archives but hell... why can't you upgrade? that's the important question here. its *almost* as important of a question as why *didn't* you upgrade when it was the right time to do so? |
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| 04:01.54 | Accelerator | Is there any way I can force the installation of a package that gives this error: Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:02.04 | Accelerator | Not to be rude, but this error really starts to piss me off. |
| 04:02.10 | Accelerator | I don't understand why it even exists. |
| 04:02.35 | Accelerator | Half the time it's because the packages are renamed. |
| 04:02.49 | Accelerator | Which the Debian documentation isn't updated to show. |
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| 04:05.35 | Ian2 | does anybody know where I can get the testing usb iso ? |
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| 04:11.10 | pythos | gnarface: complex deal, runs some custom php |
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| 04:17.19 | gnarface | pythos: God save your souls |
| 04:17.33 | pythos | indeed |
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| 04:24.44 | Ian2 | hey guys, could anyone gives me a link with the testing wlan iso of debian |
| 04:24.48 | Ian2 | cant find it anymore |
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| 04:53.33 | lgbr | I'm updating libc6 with apt, and during the process, locale has been using 100% CPU for roughly 4 hours now. Should I keep waiting? |
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| 04:54.32 | pfred1 | lgbr what are your other options? |
| 04:55.03 | pfred1 | do you have any doors that need to be propped open that badly? |
| 04:55.30 | lgbr | pfred1: I simply wasn't sure if it's hung or not |
| 04:55.49 | lgbr | pfred1: or if it was running calculations for locales I'll never use |
| 04:56.21 | pfred1 | lgbr I don't know either but if you're religious it may be time to pray |
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| 04:57.31 | pfred1 | lgbr I have totally hashed systems messing with libc |
| 04:57.39 | pfred1 | like nothing left |
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| 04:58.01 | sweetandy | (I'm installing Squeeze in virtualbox... to switch to sid, should I go through wheezy?) |
| 04:58.43 | gnarface | sweetandy: no skipping released during update, ever (so, yes) |
| 04:59.12 | gnarface | s/released/releases/ |
| 04:59.14 | sweetandy | Thanks! |
| 04:59.20 | sweetandy | I mean, (Thanks!) |
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| 04:59.55 | gnarface | sweetandy: its advised you read the release notes too |
| 05:00.07 | sweetandy | Will do |
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| 05:00.37 | chovy | what's a good source for getting some easily parsable dynamic data on my system? |
| 05:00.52 | chovy | iostat for mac is good, but on debian it's not as easily parsable. |
| 05:02.55 | simonlnu | lgbr: no it shouldn't take that long unless you chose a LOT of locales. 4 hours though is probably too long even for that. locales packages isn't so bad to mess up as libc6, so you could kill it and re-run dpkg-reconfigure locales after (might need to do dpkg --configure -a first after you kill it) |
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| 05:06.01 | lgbr | simonlnu: hm, dpkg-reconfigure locales runs locale which also pegs my CPU at 100% indefinitely |
| 05:06.13 | lgbr | simonlnu: and the other command complains that libc6.1 is not installed |
| 05:06.40 | simonlnu | install the "missing" one from the .deb |
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| 05:18.18 | konr | I'm building a debian package for my app, and lintian points out as an error that there are files installed in /opt. Can't I install them there? |
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| 05:20.01 | gnarface | konr: not sure wtf lintian is, but i'm pretty sure debian policy exclude /opt |
| 05:20.11 | gnarface | excludes |
| 05:20.44 | pfred1 | isn't lint like a debugger? |
| 05:20.48 | konr | gnarface: lintian is a package that checks out for policy violations |
| 05:21.01 | gnarface | konr: mystery solved |
| 05:21.04 | pfred1 | ah yes more a syntax checker right |
| 05:22.34 | pfred1 | has google in /opt |
| 05:23.23 | konr | where should I install my package if not in /opt? It contains patched versions of other packages I'd like not to mix in /usr |
| 05:23.44 | pfred1 | maybe /usr/local ? |
| 05:24.06 | pfred1 | I always thought local was pretty much fair game |
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| 05:24.21 | konr | hmmm |
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| 05:26.28 | konr | haha, now lintian yields the error 'file-in-usr-local' :D |
| 05:27.44 | Wyzard | konr: /opt and /usr/local are reserved for the local system administrator's use; that's why Debian packages aren't allowed to put things there |
| 05:27.55 | Wyzard | If you're building your package for private use, you can ignore the lintian warnings |
| 05:28.00 | jmarsden | konr: if "your package" is for personal use, you can install files whereever you please. But if you want it included in Debian, you need to follow the rules... |
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| 05:40.36 | sweetandy | Current status: 270 updates [+270], 6229 new [+6229]. |
| 05:40.42 | sweetandy | F*ck. |
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| 05:43.08 | sweetandy | Apparently upgrading to wheezy without X installed installs X. |
| 05:43.18 | sweetandy | That explains a few things. |
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| 05:47.24 | TheGoof | Hi, i have a question. |
| 05:49.29 | TheGoof | Hi, i have a question. |
| 05:49.31 | streuner_ | fine, do yo want to hide this question? |
| 05:50.29 | TheGoof | no |
| 05:50.32 | TheGoof | Do you guys agree that if an employer does not like my work or myself shouldn't they just fire me? Would you not consider it an insult to your professionalism if they kept you around anyway? Wouldn't that make you just quit on your own and find a job where you can make a difference? |
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| 05:52.10 | Ian2 | hey guys, could anyone of you give me a link with the debian testing iso for usb installation, I had one where I could choose the kernel 3.0 but now I cant find it |
| 05:52.12 | p_quarles | TheGoof: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 05:52.19 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 05:53.40 | streuner_ | TheGoof: nobody would kept you for a job, if they dont need you... - but this is #debian, we support Debian, if you need a social channel, this isnt the right place for this issue. |
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| 05:54.50 | streuner_ | Ian2: why do you think you need testing instead of stable? |
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| 05:55.22 | Ian2 | like the philosophy of testing and on it everything runs out of the box |
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| 05:56.09 | diki | question |
| 05:56.18 | diki | why is this os so big? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 05:56.22 | diki | 34 gigs? |
| 05:56.25 | diki | really? |
| 05:56.25 | streuner_ | Ian2: the main issue for testing isos is to create the *new* d-i (debian-installer) |
| 05:56.36 | streuner_ | no |
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| 05:57.12 | streuner_ | debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-DVD-1.iso 26-Jun-2011 18:52 4.4G |
| 05:57.25 | diki | huh? |
| 05:57.29 | diki | look at the number |
| 05:57.30 | aypea[2] | use netinstall cd iso if you want something small |
| 05:57.32 | diki | DVD-1, DVD-2 |
| 05:57.35 | diki | all up to 8 |
| 05:57.37 | Ian2 | streuner_, gebe dir recht aber laut debian seite ist es auch eine gute desktop wahl |
| 05:57.39 | Ian2 | sorry |
| 05:57.40 | p_quarles | I'm guessing he means disks 1 through 8; but that's the entire system; you don't need to download that unless your a collector |
| 05:58.04 | diki | If its 34 gigs and has no speech recognition... |
| 05:58.12 | diki | that would surprise me |
| 05:58.12 | Ian2 | streuner_, any chance to get the link from you? |
| 05:58.13 | aypea[2] | 150MB and you download only what you need off the net. |
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| 05:58.30 | streuner_ | Ian2: again, i didnt unterstand why you just use stable d-i? |
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| 05:59.41 | Ian2 | stable doesnt work for my, the old kernel dont have the drivers that I need, so would you please help me to get the link? |
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| 06:00.01 | Ian2 | ..for my pc.. |
| 06:00.56 | simonlnu | diki: that's the *whole* of debian stable. to install you can use anything from a business card-sized iso (around 50 MB IIRC) to dvd1 |
| 06:01.18 | diki | and what exactly is...the whole system? |
| 06:01.26 | diki | dependencies? |
| 06:01.50 | p_quarles | diki: everything in the official repositories; everything that's been packaged for Debian, essentially |
| 06:02.02 | Ian2 | could anyone please give me the link of the debian testing iso for usb please |
| 06:02.18 | simonlnu | diki: all the software |
| 06:02.21 | p_quarles | Ian2: if I had it I would have already; I don't think you need to keep asking |
| 06:02.39 | Ian2 | I cant find it |
| 06:02.45 | Ian2 | but I had it |
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| 06:04.36 | p_quarles | Ian2: with stable, you can cat the .iso to a USB drive; don't see why it would be different with testing: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 06:05.32 | Ian2 | p_quarles, I have intel atom |
| 06:05.42 | Ian2 | cd ISO doesnt work for me |
| 06:06.00 | Ian2 | it never finds my usb as source |
| 06:06.17 | pfred1 | I think that is why they call it testing |
| 06:06.22 | wols | why do you want to install the testing ISO in the first place. it's likely that it doesn't work. install squeeze instead |
| 06:06.27 | p_quarles | Ian2: which probably works just fine with the AMD64 image, if it's a recent atom; however, you can use those parent directories to find the exact arch you're looking for; and Google |
| 06:06.38 | pfred1 | wols sage advise! |
| 06:06.41 | streuner_ | wols: some hardware works only with newer kernel... |
| 06:06.49 | wols | Ian2: what driver do you need |
| 06:06.55 | pfred1 | streuner_ then install a newer kernel |
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| 06:07.02 | wols | streuner_: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 06:07.27 | streuner_ | wols: i know :-) |
| 06:07.28 | Ian2 | cant say now which driver I need, I stoped the installation, cant run lspci -v |
| 06:07.28 | streuner_ | <Ian2> stable doesnt work for my, the old kernel dont have the drivers that I need, so would you please help me to get the link? |
| 06:07.33 | pfred1 | streuner_ I put 2.6.39.4 on Squeeze it works |
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| 06:08.15 | Ian2 | I installed a testing and there I could choose which kernel I want to use |
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| 06:09.46 | wols | Ian2: did you use unetbootin to create your usb installer? |
| 06:09.58 | Ian2 | sure |
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| 06:10.00 | p_quarles | Ian2: as I already said, you have your testing disk images there if you really want them; and you don't need any tool but cat to put it on a USB drive |
| 06:10.46 | sweetandy | Interesting, wheezy 686 kernel builds requires PAE now... time to switch to a 486 kernel image |
| 06:10.48 | wols | Ian2: and that's why it couldn't find the CD when installing. common issue |
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| 06:11.30 | wols | sweetandy: "requires PAE"? PAE is simply used when available, nothing else. at most you cannot access all your RAM |
| 06:11.43 | Ian2 | p_quarles, as I already said, if I use a cd iso while installing debian tries to mount my cd and I cant use lan as source, cant choose it, its the same with stable |
| 06:12.26 | pfred1 | Ian2 because you don't have the firmware for your network drivers? |
| 06:12.33 | sweetandy | wols, aptitude tells a different story; I'm using virtualbox, and apparently my CPU doesn't support PAE. aptitude recommends installing linux-image-486 and removing linux-image-686 |
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| 06:12.58 | sweetandy | my virtual cpu |
| 06:13.00 | Ian2 | no, it works if I use a net iso |
| 06:13.21 | p_quarles | so use a net .iso... |
| 06:13.32 | pfred1 | p_quarles my thoughts exactly |
| 06:13.40 | Ian2 | where is the net .iso for testing with kernel 3.0 ? |
| 06:14.02 | pfred1 | Ian2 if you have to ask you shouldn't be running testing |
| 06:14.32 | pfred1 | testing is only for people who can find things for themselves |
| 06:14.33 | wols | Ian2: it is not advised to install from testing images cause they are frequently buggy, the normal way to get testing is to install a minimal stable and upgrade |
| 06:14.40 | Ian2 | I found it some days ago, but after hours of googling and testing |
| 06:15.01 | Ian2 | wols, ok |
| 06:15.18 | wols | Ian2: and since you don't really know how to do that, it seems you are not exactly suited for running testing. I strongly suggest you run debian stable and use backports for your mythical hardware that doesn't work as you sa |
| 06:15.24 | Ian2 | wols, do you have a upgrading tutorial? |
| 06:15.24 | pfred1 | Ian2 testing is exactly that is is the broken branch of the distro that is getting readied for release |
| 06:15.49 | wols | dpkg: lenny->wheezy |
| 06:15.49 | dpkg | wols: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 06:15.54 | wols | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 06:15.54 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade". Need more instructions? Perhaps you should wait for a while. |
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| 06:18.37 | Ian2 | dont understand why you are so against testing |
| 06:18.54 | pfred1 | Ian2 because it is only for developers |
| 06:18.57 | Ian2 | even the debian site sais that testing a desktop alternative |
| 06:19.43 | pfred1 | it is like the beta version of a product that isn't finished yet |
| 06:20.10 | pfred1 | the only thing it is going to do that stable doesn't do is break |
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| 06:23.04 | sweetandy | I don't necessarily see that as a problem |
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| 06:24.18 | sweetandy | I ran lenny for about 8 months while etch was stable, right up to the transition lenny->stable |
| 06:24.22 | sweetandy | it was a peach |
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| 06:25.46 | pfred1 | sweetandy I bought a lottery ticket once and won $3 that doesn't make is a sound investment scheme though |
| 06:26.21 | sweetandy | pfred1, It does when you have thorough documentation about how to cheat the lottery system |
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| 06:26.42 | sweetandy | to continue your metaphor |
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| 06:27.54 | pfred1 | sweetandy it doesn't when you factor in your time to study mythical documentation |
| 06:28.40 | sweetandy | the documentation is only mythical in the metaphor, not in reality... but I guess not all of us are unemployed |
| 06:28.48 | pfred1 | OK I should rephrase that it doesn't when I factor in my time |
| 06:29.24 | sweetandy | "I personally don't have time to deal with testing breaks, so I use stable" << absolutely no problem with that |
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| 06:30.06 | sweetandy | cheers, even |
| 06:30.54 | Wyzard | One risk in running testing as a desktop OS is that it's the last to get security updates |
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| 06:31.30 | Wyzard | It doesn't get them directly like stable does; it has to wait for them to go into unstable, and then propagate (with a delay) into testing |
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| 06:34.53 | plugd | Wyzard: I call that "exciting" :) |
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| 06:38.33 | L0C41H05T | hi i ran stunnel by "stunnel stunnel.conf" but it seems to ignore the config file is that the right way to load a custom config file? |
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| 06:44.11 | edgars | yo boys |
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| 06:45.36 | edgars | i got one server from client with a bunch of virtualhosts and ftp access running on debian 5 with latest updates |
| 06:46.00 | edgars | and on that server from time to time appears some hacked sites with modified .htaccess |
| 06:46.27 | edgars | where to dig? |
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| 06:55.59 | elmargol | Hi I'm searching a tool that emails me if there are security updates for my server. Any suggestions please? |
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| 06:57.54 | elmargol | maybe apticron? |
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| 06:58.29 | qrq | Hi |
| 06:58.30 | streuner_ | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/apt-get-apticron-send-email-upgrades-available/ |
| 06:58.52 | qrq | Would you recommend me some software to remaster debian? |
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| 07:00.47 | streuner_ | what do you mean with "remaster"? |
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| 07:01.36 | streuner_ | elmargol: take a look at the URL above, apticron seems to be the package you want |
| 07:02.11 | elmargol | streuner_: Yes I have found it using google myself. This is the tool i'm going to use if there are no strong opinions against it |
| 07:02.12 | qrq | To make an installable copy of my system including files |
| 07:02.28 | qrq | I mean files from /home |
| 07:02.44 | qrq | remastersys is working well? |
| 07:03.26 | qrq | Its not in debian repository so I dont know :D |
| 07:03.41 | streuner_ | qrq: well, if its not dist-upgrade it auto, its ok for me. |
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| 07:04.08 | streuner_ | ehm, elmargol: ^^^ |
| 07:04.58 | qrq | streuner_ You use it? |
| 07:05.11 | qrq | Because I dont want any surprises :D |
| 07:05.19 | streuner_ | qrq: typo... |
| 07:05.33 | streuner_ | qrq: the answer was for elmargol |
| 07:05.44 | qrq | lol |
| 07:06.28 | streuner_ | qrq: there is backuppc |
| 07:06.40 | streuner_ | dpkg, info backuppc |
| 07:07.00 | dpkg | backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.2.0-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 587 kB, Installed size: 2548 kB |
| 07:07.18 | qrq | Thanks |
| 07:07.29 | streuner_ | np |
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| 07:10.07 | qrq | streuner Im not experienced user :D |
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| 07:11.20 | qrq | Its application on server |
| 07:11.21 | qrq | :D |
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| 07:13.30 | gnarface | it was a bug, Dave |
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| 07:13.44 | gnarface | i feel much better admitting that now |
| 07:14.09 | gnarface | why don't you sit down, and take a stress pill |
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| 07:14.16 | gnarface | and we can talk this all over |
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| 07:15.48 | gnarface | it was a bug, Dave |
| 07:15.50 | prsn | How can I see what processes are responsible for recent disk usage/what files have been written to a lot recently? |
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| 07:16.12 | gnarface | it was a bug, Dave |
| 07:16.14 | Hasham | hi...I have no sound (speakers are fine ) help me fix it |
| 07:16.27 | gnarface | it was a bug, Dave |
| 07:16.28 | boudiccas | !volunteer |
| 07:16.28 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 07:17.10 | gnarface | prsn: the tool you want is called iotop |
| 07:17.31 | prsn | gnarface: sadly, it is not on this system, and I can't install it |
| 07:17.41 | gnarface | prsn: then you're fuuucked |
| 07:17.42 | prsn | what are the lower-level things that it does? |
| 07:17.53 | gnarface | prsn: that was the lower-level thing |
| 07:18.01 | gnarface | prsn: it was a bug, Dave |
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| 07:18.24 | prsn | does that mean something? |
| 07:18.32 | Hasham | kindly help me to get me to get sound |
| 07:19.02 | gnarface | Hasham: you might have to ally with a sound system first |
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| 07:19.17 | gnarface | !alsa checklist |
| 07:19.17 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 07:19.34 | nevyn | 6 ewww... |
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| 07:20.00 | gnarface | it was a bug, Dave. i feel much better admitting that to myself now |
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| 07:21.13 | gnarface | why don't you sit down, and take a stress pill, and we can talk this all out? |
| 07:21.28 | boudiccas | thus speaks HAL |
| 07:22.04 | gnarface | twitches |
| 07:22.08 | gnarface | twitches |
| 07:22.10 | babilen | gnarface: everything ok? |
| 07:22.20 | gnarface | it was a bug, Dave |
| 07:22.43 | gnarface | i feel much better admitting that, now |
| 07:22.45 | prsn | gnarface: I'm suddenly getting 'No space left on device' when I try to save files, and I'd really like to be able to figure out why. Is there really nothing I can do without iotop? |
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| 07:23.09 | boudiccas | prsn; are you using rsnapshot for your backups? |
| 07:23.28 | gnarface | prsn: i think that one is self-explanatory. try df -h and scope out anything above 90% usage |
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| 07:24.04 | gnarface | dpkg, it was a bug, dave |
| 07:24.04 | dpkg | no idea, gnarface |
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| 07:25.19 | fwlorenzo | hi |
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| 07:25.56 | gnarface | fwlorenzo: it was a bug, Dave |
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| 07:26.09 | babilen | gnarface: Stop it please. |
| 07:26.18 | fwlorenzo | why!? |
| 07:26.31 | gnarface | stops it |
| 07:27.25 | fwlorenzo | i dont understand |
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| 07:27.52 | gnarface | fwlorenzo: its better that way. |
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| 07:28.51 | gnarface | twitch |
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| 07:29.45 | norc | I have a windows machine, if I run virtualbox inside, can I run virtualbox *inside* that virtualbox? |
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| 07:30.04 | boudiccas | norc; dubious |
| 07:30.45 | norc | thought as much ;) |
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| 07:31.18 | fwlorenzo | yes you can but is stupid |
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| 07:31.33 | gnarface | question: how many virtual machines can you nest inside of other virtual machines before you create a time paradox that destroys the universe |
| 07:31.56 | gnarface | follow-up question: will it run faster on amd or intel hardware? |
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| 07:32.40 | Hasham | hi...i have no sound . kindly help me to fix it |
| 07:33.12 | fwlorenzo | amd is bette for me.. |
| 07:33.24 | gnarface | Hasham: did you follow the alsa checklist? you should, even though the answer to your problem is irrelevant to the original question |
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| 07:33.54 | gnarface | Hasham: your real problem is you got tricked into installing pulseaudio, God save your soul |
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| 07:34.16 | nevyn | nah pulse is ok |
| 07:34.23 | nevyn | you just gotta follow the howto |
| 07:34.31 | Zap-W | how to tell what hashing algorithm my passwords are being saved in /etc/shadow |
| 07:34.48 | nevyn | Zap-W: if you did nothing it's probably md5 these days |
| 07:35.13 | Hasham | gnarface, how do i check alsa check list ...? I am a new user ( I had sound btw) |
| 07:35.22 | norc | fwlorenzo: Well, the reason I ask is because I dont have a linux box right now, but I need to test my virtualbox setup on a debian machine ;) |
| 07:35.34 | sweetandy | I've done a dpkg --purge on unused/undesired kernel images, is it safe to delete the respective vmlinuz files in /boot ? |
| 07:35.35 | Zap-W | nevyn: isn't md5 obsoelete |
| 07:35.39 | gnarface | Hasham: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 07:35.40 | wols | !tell Hasham about alsa checklist |
| 07:36.06 | wols | sweetandy: then the unneeded vmlinuz binaries are already gone |
| 07:36.10 | gnarface | twitches |
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| 07:36.35 | qrq | How make an installable copy of my system? |
| 07:36.52 | nevyn | Zap-W: hrm I'm wrong |
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| 07:37.05 | nevyn | Zap-W: as of late 2009 the default is sha512 |
| 07:37.21 | gnarface | qrq: ooh that's a great question. you win the great question of the evening prize |
| 07:37.32 | Zap-W | nevyn: where do you read that? |
| 07:37.34 | wols | gnarface: are you drunk? |
| 07:38.00 | wols | qrq: clonezilla? |
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| 07:38.05 | gnarface | wols: please don't -q me i'll stop. i was serious though - i want to know how to do that too |
| 07:38.11 | nevyn | http://twerner.blogspot.com/2010/01/improving-password-security-in-debian.html |
| 07:38.24 | qrq | gnarface I know there is remastersys app but I dont know if its reliable |
| 07:38.27 | Hasham | terminal command for alsa checklist...? |
| 07:38.46 | qrq | wols I want to install it on other PC |
| 07:38.53 | streuner_ | Hasham: did it work before? |
| 07:38.59 | gnarface | Hasham: the bot should have msg'd you like 3x now. check your sideband incoming messages on your irc client |
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| 07:39.37 | sweetandy | aha! `dpkg --list |grep linux-image' shows the TRUE CULPRITS |
| 07:40.08 | Hasham | streuner_, yes it was working before |
| 07:40.09 | gnarface | wols: there's an app for turning your current install into an installable image or set of comands though right? i could have sworn someone mentioned this some time ago |
| 07:40.40 | streuner_ | Hasham: hm, what did you do then? upgrading or did you install a new kernel? |
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| 07:42.16 | Hasham | strayer, i did none of both , there was a command where can unmute if you could tell |
| 07:42.27 | wols | gnarface: I doubt it is possible too complicated. e.g. you have a install where you put in the nvidia drivers. and now you want to move it to ati hardware. how to do? just not really doable, too many differences |
| 07:42.29 | gnarface | qrq: there are at least 3 completely kosher ways to do it, and probalby a few dozen additional ways, i just can't remember any of them |
| 07:42.36 | qrq | :D |
| 07:42.38 | streuner_ | Hasham: alsamixer? |
| 07:42.53 | wols | you'd need a live cd basically, with all the problems this entails |
| 07:43.14 | gnarface | wols: hmm. with non-debian packages i could see problems |
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| 07:43.47 | gnarface | wols: but wasn't there a package that was basically a "turn this disk into a livecd" package? |
| 07:43.52 | wols | well, nvidia and fglrx are debian packages. sorta. but it doesn't stop there: grub2, fstab, wlan interfaces, etc |
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| 07:44.19 | Hasham | streuner_, yes . i will check and ask if i need help |
| 07:44.24 | streuner_ | Hasham: Nr. 2 explained it already, why do you not just read what dpkg wrote you? <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed |
| 07:44.24 | streuner_ | <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 07:44.41 | wols | with linux it's possible to move an installation to a new hardware, unlike other OSes that shall not be named, but it's not really doable fully automated |
| 07:45.05 | gnarface | suspects Hasham has not noticed or been able to retrieve the direct messages that have been sent to him by the dpkg bot |
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| 07:46.11 | gnarface | wols: but ... there WAS a way to generate a livecd of the current install wasn't there? i swear i didn't dream it |
| 07:46.14 | streuner_ | Hasham: what irc-client do you use, btw? |
| 07:46.22 | wols | gnarface: probably |
| 07:46.31 | Hasham | streuner_, xchat |
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| 07:47.05 | streuner_ | Hasham: well, X-Chat is usually able to retrieve direct messages of dpkg, strange. |
| 07:47.54 | Hasham | streuner_, i got that massage . |
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| 07:49.09 | gnarface | !pebkac |
| 07:49.09 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL |
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| 07:59.54 | jxrgx | hi all |
| 08:00.10 | merlot | welcome jxrgx |
| 08:00.36 | jxrgx | I have a problem |
| 08:00.44 | boudiccas | !ask |
| 08:00.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 08:00.58 | jxrgx | I have done a script for doing backups, mount a usb and copy some data |
| 08:01.15 | boudiccas | jxrgx; interetsing |
| 08:01.16 | jxrgx | I can execute the script with good results |
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| 08:01.53 | jxrgx | but when I put in crontab give me an error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1 |
| 08:01.58 | boudiccas | jxrgx; so whats the problem? |
| 08:02.54 | jxrgx | I don't understand why give me that error for being in crontab |
| 08:03.27 | boudiccas | jxrgx; when you run the /exact/ command that is in crontab, do you still get that error message? |
| 08:03.36 | ham5 | so lets see the crontab line... either you have the wrong fs type, or a bad option |
| 08:03.37 | gnarface | jxrgx: probably the answer is something simple like; cron doesn't inherit the user's paths |
| 08:04.21 | jxrgx | gnarface, I have all with absolute plath for avoiding that thing |
| 08:04.50 | jxrgx | but the problem is not that not found mount, but mount give an error next executing |
| 08:05.26 | wols | what is the mount command? |
| 08:05.31 | jxrgx | boudiccas, no, I don't have error if I execute the script manually or execute the mount |
| 08:05.33 | gnarface | jxrgx: you're sure the correct filesystem drivers have already been loaded by the time this cron job is called? |
| 08:06.00 | gnarface | jxrgx: pastebin us the crontab, as wols suggests. maybe we can see something wrong from there |
| 08:06.04 | jxrgx | gnarface, yes, next receiving the error I execute manually and works fine |
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| 08:07.47 | jxrgx | http://pastebin.com/BFFT27Ak |
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| 08:08.14 | boudiccas | jxrgx; can you pastebin the script please as it sounds interesting and potentially useful |
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| 08:08.31 | gnarface | examines pastebin link |
| 08:08.34 | gnarface | twitches |
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| 08:09.49 | gnarface | jxrgx: ok so that was useless, but now pastebin us the contents of those two shell scripts and maybe we'll be in business |
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| 08:16.53 | gnarface | jxrgx: srsly what's the delay? did you litter it with passwords and static ip addresses inline and your're taking all this time to redact them now? if so, for shame! |
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| 08:18.27 | jxrgx | gnarface, yes, I have personal data in the script |
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| 08:19.09 | gnarface | jxrgx: i'm sure you have realized by now the problem and the solution are then likely to be directly related |
| 08:19.19 | boudiccas | jxrgx; just substitute xxxxxxxx's for it then |
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| 08:19.34 | qrq | Is there anyway to change sound bufer in application if it doesnt have that option in config file? |
| 08:20.32 | gnarface | qrq: your question lacks important details; there are 4, yes 4 completely separate popular sound systems in linux (possibly more - fuck if i know) and before you seek help for yours you need to tell us which it is |
| 08:20.43 | qrq | ALSA |
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| 08:21.27 | qrq | I get something like this |
| 08:21.28 | qrq | ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 08:21.33 | gnarface | qrq: sound BUFFER size in alsa is an application-specific setting. which application? |
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| 08:21.52 | qrq | pcsxr |
| 08:22.06 | gnarface | qrq: never heard of it. ps1 emulator? |
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| 08:22.55 | qrq | Yes |
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| 08:23.07 | gnarface | qrq: sorry can't help you unfortunately myself |
| 08:23.20 | gnarface | qrq: i'm sure someone in here can though |
| 08:24.07 | gnarface | qrq: are you sure its a problem though? i get those messages from my mplayer when i stop the analog source plugged into my tv tuner card - in those cases its expected behavior |
| 08:24.27 | gnarface | qrq: i guess what i am asking is --- is it actually causing a problem? |
| 08:25.37 | qrq | Sound is corrupted |
| 08:25.47 | gnarface | tragic |
| 08:25.53 | qrq | Its definitely buffer thing |
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| 08:26.12 | qrq | Because I got the same problem with PSx |
| 08:26.16 | qrq | And change buffer helped |
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| 08:27.03 | qrq | But in PCSXr ini there is no way to change sound buffer |
| 08:27.03 | gnarface | qrq: have you checked the dox for pcsxr? mabye they'll tell yo how to modify alsa params. |
| 08:27.04 | Hasham | hi....here is output of my alsamixer .. http://picpaste.com/alsa-eqEj0Khf.png . kindly see it and suggest me a solution .(I dont have sound) |
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| 08:28.17 | gnarface | Hasham: looks normal; your problem is elswhere (its common for the window manager by default to tie up the soundcard if you have its effects enabled) |
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| 08:28.23 | jxrgx | gnarface, http://pastebin.com/czcwjHsR |
| 08:29.20 | gnarface | jxrgx: uh |
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| 08:30.00 | jxrgx | gnarface, it is a bit big |
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| 08:31.10 | gnarface | jxrgx: sorry, i suppose i should have anticipated that. i'm sure someone in here can help you with that but i'm too drunk right now, and i'm departing momentarily to get more drunk |
| 08:31.34 | gnarface | jxrgx: i suspect your issue lies somewhere in there though |
| 08:31.50 | webad_13 | I'm getting only 600 PMKs on nvidia geforce 8500 gt - I know the card is not a beast but it has 16 cuda cores... I was expecting the number to be bigger - am I hitting the limit of the card or I have some other sort of bottleneck |
| 08:31.54 | webad_13 | this is with pyrit |
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| 08:32.24 | webad_13 | I should probably ask in a different channel - but I thought maybe someone has tested this card before |
| 08:34.26 | gnarface | http://pastebin.com/czcwjHsR << anyone see an obvious problem with this that would cause a mounting error but not when the command is run manually? |
| 08:35.30 | gnarface | jxrgx: kindof looks like you're relying on system level shell functions ? |
| 08:35.42 | gnarface | jxrgx: maybe one of them isn't in the path? |
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| 08:36.45 | gnarface | jxrgx: just a guess |
| 08:37.09 | jxrgx | I think the paths are right |
| 08:37.22 | jxrgx | because the error is an the result of a command |
| 08:38.41 | qrq | How stop ALSA? |
| 08:38.45 | gnarface | jxrgx: and the *exact* error is? |
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| 08:40.45 | jxrgx | gnarface, i think i found the solution |
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| 08:42.39 | gnarface | jxrgx: well now we're all curious what it was |
| 08:42.53 | jxrgx | gnarface, I am waiting for cron, 20 seconds |
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| 08:44.17 | jxrgx | gnarface, yes, I mount the usb with uid=$USER |
| 08:44.23 | gnarface | qrq: i think after stopping all software that plays audio (which in many cases could include your window manager itself, like gnome or kde) its just a simple matter of unloading and the reloading the audio driver module. which one(s) will depend on the soundcard(s) you are using though |
| 08:44.55 | jxrgx | gnarface, and cron don't take any var |
| 08:45.15 | gnarface | jxrgx: ah that sounds like a plausible angle |
| 08:45.35 | gnarface | jxrgx: cause your cron script is being run by a different user? |
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| 08:46.26 | jxrgx | gnarface, no, it is because $USER env variable doesn't work with cron, I have to add to crontab => USER=*** |
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| 08:47.20 | gnarface | jxrgx: oh yea, that sounds like a familiar issue. cron won't inherit the whole env by default, just like a key couple vars; the man page should clarify which |
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| 08:54.27 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 08:54.42 | lancelot_of | how to access the bug web debian page for a particular package? |
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| 08:55.09 | ham5 | bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 08:59.27 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 08:59.54 | wfq | how do I know what debian is running on a machine? I mean squeeze, etc... |
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| 09:00.20 | boudiccas | wfq; cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 09:00.40 | wfq | boudicas, that gives me the version but I cannot see anything else |
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| 09:00.56 | ham5 | du |
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| 09:01.11 | boudiccas | wfq; you tell us what it says and we tell you what named version you're running :) |
| 09:01.29 | wfq | 6.0.2 :) |
| 09:01.37 | boudiccas | wfq; squeeze |
| 09:01.38 | simonlnu | squeeze |
| 09:01.42 | ham5 | wfq topic |
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| 09:01.54 | wfq | thanks |
| 09:01.59 | foxdie | Hi all, got an unusual problem with Debian running on a Power PC Mac Mini |
| 09:02.01 | boudiccas | wfq; yw |
| 09:02.12 | lancelot_of | i'd like to install the stable driver xserver-xorg-video-intel on my wheezy system in order to try having more stability then the freezing system with version 2.15. But this requires for apt-get to install the old (stable, 1.7) xserver-xorg version against mine (1.10). Will this produce any problem?Can i purge all my current version of xorg and install the stable one even if i'm on wheezy? |
| 09:02.15 | foxdie | It's hanging on boot and I can't find out why |
| 09:02.20 | sevenfourk | hello you guys! for core i3 i should download amd64 iso? right ? |
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| 09:03.02 | foxdie | There's no errors, it just stops responding, always at the same point (starting bind9), if I disable bind9 it hangs on a couple of other processes later on, if I disable that one, the same happens again |
| 09:03.04 | ham5 | es seven |
| 09:03.24 | sevenfourk | thanks |
| 09:03.24 | foxdie | I've run a fsck and a badblocks test, it's totally clean |
| 09:03.43 | foxdie | Can boot perfectly fine in single user mode |
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| 09:04.50 | foxdie | There's nothing in dmesg / kernel log, its like the disk just stops serving IO requests, but surely that'd trigger a message in the kernel log |
| 09:05.08 | foxdie | But again, it'll work perfectly fine in single user mode |
| 09:05.15 | foxdie | Anyone able to offer some help please? |
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| 09:06.56 | alexim | if i'm just sharing a git repo via ssh, what's the minimal apt package to install? git-deamon-run? |
| 09:08.27 | lancelot_of | no suggestions for me? |
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| 09:10.48 | wols | lancelot_of: you can try. it probably works but no one will guarantee it |
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| 09:12.42 | lancelot_of | ok wols, thank you |
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| 09:13.39 | juro | hi, I am new to Debian (from Ubuntu) and am having problems getting gitosis to work |
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| 09:15.59 | wols | juro: until you start describing your problem, it will be unsolved |
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| 09:18.34 | boudiccas | juro; what is 'gitosis' please? |
| 09:18.54 | juro | wols, I understand just trying out a few things in order to clearly state my problem |
| 09:19.00 | wols | ,info gitosis |
| 09:19.00 | judd | Package gitosis (vcs, optional) in squeeze/i386: git repository hosting application. Version: 0.2+20090917-11; Size: 40.2k; Installed: 348k |
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| 09:19.29 | boudiccas | thansk wols |
| 09:21.19 | juro | wols, I am following this howto http://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way but when I try to pull the gitosis-admin from my server (Debian) to my local machine (Windows7), I get a permission denied |
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| 09:29.36 | qrq | "ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured" |
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| 09:30.05 | aminpy | is there a pacakge for extract rar files? |
| 09:30.13 | Bushmills | unrar |
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| 09:30.25 | qrq | How fix it? :D |
| 09:30.34 | aminpy | Bushmills, unrar-free? |
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| 09:30.56 | Bushmills | for example. there's also a non-free. not sure what the difference is |
| 09:32.30 | qrq | How force latency on app? |
| 09:32.38 | qrq | I mean sound latency |
| 09:32.57 | claw | i am using a proxy and i have integreated it into the bashrc but when trying to install applications that have to download some thing for installation it does not use the proxy |
| 09:33.02 | claw | how to fix that problem ? |
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| 09:33.34 | claw | for example i am not able to install flashplungin-nonfree because it used to connect to adobe but does not use the proxy |
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| 09:35.48 | wols | proxychains maybe? |
| 09:36.03 | wols | if you use a socks proxy that is |
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| 09:40.54 | qrq | ? :D |
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| 09:41.43 | streuner_ | !netsplit |
| 09:41.44 | dpkg | [netsplit] A deliberate disconnection between at least two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it is preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 09:42.12 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/606609/ |
| 09:42.26 | aminpy | how can I extract this ^? |
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| 09:48.18 | Trewas | aminpy: with proper rar or unrar, unrar-free does not work and the package should be removed |
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| 09:54.05 | wols | aminpy: use the non-free unrar /msg dpkg rar |
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| 10:00.30 | qrq1 | How force sound latency on app? |
| 10:00.44 | qrq1 | By terminal |
| 10:01.39 | boudiccas | qrq1; what do you mean by 'sound latency'? and which app? |
| 10:02.04 | qrq1 | pcsxr |
| 10:02.26 | qrq1 | There no option to do it in ini file |
| 10:02.33 | qrq1 | ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 10:02.39 | qrq1 | I get this all the time |
| 10:02.51 | qrq1 | And sound is crackling |
| 10:02.59 | boudiccas | then i'd change to a different music program |
| 10:03.00 | qrq1 | Its something with SDL |
| 10:04.36 | thewanderer1 | qrq1: maybe increase its priority? (renice) |
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| 10:05.05 | thewanderer1 | also, there is a reason why sound professionals run real-time kernels with JACKd |
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| 10:07.44 | qrq1 | Its a problem with SLD |
| 10:07.45 | qrq1 | SDL |
| 10:08.16 | qrq1 | How launch app using other sound server? |
| 10:08.23 | qrq1 | I mean not ALSA |
| 10:08.26 | qrq1 | But SDL |
| 10:08.37 | qrq1 | -ad sdl ? |
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| 10:13.07 | qrq1 | I want run apllication not by alsa |
| 10:13.10 | qrq1 | But by SDL |
| 10:13.16 | qrq1 | How make it work? :D |
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| 10:17.13 | konr | Is my equalizer awesome or awesome? http://gimmeplayer.org/images/f/fa/Eq0.png http://gimmeplayer.org/images/6/60/Eq1.png |
| 10:18.13 | Odaym | that's nice |
| 10:18.16 | Odaym | you wrote that? |
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| 10:19.45 | konr | yeah :D |
| 10:19.55 | Odaym | with what? |
| 10:20.03 | konr | Elisp! |
| 10:20.06 | konr | it's inside emacs |
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| 10:20.10 | Odaym | emacs lisp? |
| 10:20.12 | Odaym | ok |
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| 10:20.31 | Odaym | is it on Git? |
| 10:20.36 | konr | yup! |
| 10:20.47 | Odaym | any idea how I can get a public license on Git? |
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| 10:21.00 | konr | https://github.com/konr/GIMME and http://gimmeplayer.org |
| 10:21.01 | Odaym | software license |
| 10:21.32 | konr | hmm, no idea :( |
| 10:21.39 | konr | a public license? |
| 10:22.00 | Odaym | that's a lot of lisp |
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| 10:22.18 | tobiasBora | Hello ! |
| 10:22.36 | tobiasBora | I've a problem with gdm/gnome-screensaver : |
| 10:23.03 | tobiasBora | I've installed emgd for have a nive resolution on my eeepc 1101. |
| 10:23.33 | tobiasBora | After installation, my resolution was nice, however, now we can't switch user ! |
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| 10:24.38 | tobiasBora | For exemple I click on power button, and "switch user" => I fall on the screensaver. I move the mouse, and I can type the current password of the current user, or click on switch user |
| 10:25.24 | tobiasBora | I click on switch user, but I've again my screen saver etc the possibility to tape password or switch user... |
| 10:25.33 | tobiasBora | How could I switch user ? |
| 10:25.47 | qrq1 | How launch app in SDL audio? |
| 10:25.49 | qrq1 | :D |
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| 10:26.26 | qrq1 | I got libsdlalsa-all |
| 10:26.37 | qrq1 | And I want to launch app in SDL driver |
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| 10:32.20 | qrq1 | I need help |
| 10:32.43 | ayambit | Can I install new packages into debian lenny? I tried to set up backports as described on http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ but aptitude can't find newer versions. |
| 10:33.43 | petemc | you can install them if people have created updated packages |
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| 10:34.31 | qrq1 | I need to force sound latency on application |
| 10:35.12 | vyadhaka | I am trying to interpret this syntax: sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,, |
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| 10:35.19 | ayambit | petemc: Where can I check? Also, is there a way (even if unsupported) to install packages from say tesing into lenny without broking things very much? As I understand compiling and linking I can't do this, but I want to know for sure. |
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| 10:36.17 | petemc | ayambit: you can check packages.debian.org |
| 10:36.23 | wols | ayambit: why can't you backport? |
| 10:37.15 | Iridos | vyadhaka, delete all stuff before and including the second "-" in a line |
| 10:37.30 | ayambit | wols: you mean, manually? Is there a straightforward way to do this? |
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| 10:38.22 | Iridos | tob... |
| 10:39.55 | qrq1 | Jesus.... |
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| 10:40.03 | qrq1 | Anyone can help me? |
| 10:40.04 | Iridos | do we have a factoid for backporting into oldstable? |
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| 10:40.20 | qrq1 | How force sound latency on application? |
| 10:40.38 | petemc | that question makes little sense |
| 10:40.48 | petemc | which is probably why no one is responding |
| 10:40.57 | Iridos | Jesus can possibly help... I think all of us others don't understand what you're asking |
| 10:41.02 | wols | !tell ayambit about ssb |
| 10:41.25 | Traubert | anyone know why the package gpass isn't available on wheezy? |
| 10:41.32 | Traubert | it is in sid apparently |
| 10:41.42 | Iridos | !why is gpass not in testing |
| 10:41.42 | dpkg | gpass is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gpass |
| 10:41.43 | wols | Iridos: not into oldstable directly. but you could simply use squeeze sources instead of sid and then everything stays pretty much the same |
| 10:41.53 | wols | !why is qpass not in testing |
| 10:41.53 | dpkg | qpass is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=qpass |
| 10:42.30 | Traubert | ah :) |
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| 10:42.50 | Iridos | wols, yes, I know... might be confusing for someone exposed to it the first time, so would be ok to add another factoid |
| 10:42.50 | Traubert | that's actually not very informative as to whether it's coming back, but thanks |
| 10:43.24 | wols | Traubert: it's automated so not always totally useful |
| 10:43.56 | wols | Traubert: and I msiread: q instead of g |
| 10:44.02 | wols | !why is gpass not in testing |
| 10:44.02 | dpkg | gpass is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gpass |
| 10:44.10 | Traubert | RoQA; dead upstream, low popcon, alternatives exist, orphaned |
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| 10:44.16 | Traubert | :( |
| 10:44.28 | Traubert | maybe this is what I get for not running popcon |
| 10:44.41 | Iridos | wols, I had already done it for gpass |
| 10:44.49 | qrq1 | Can anyone help me? :) |
| 10:44.49 | Iridos | but that's not the package name either? |
| 10:44.50 | wols | Traubert: RoQA; dead upstream, low popcon, alternatives exist, orphaned |
| 10:45.12 | wols | qrq1: answer the questions you were asked. e.g. you make no sense |
| 10:45.19 | Traubert | wols: yes, I found that eventually |
| 10:45.21 | Traubert | thanks |
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| 10:45.49 | Traubert | anyone have a password-keeping package recommendation? |
| 10:46.27 | Iridos | Traubert, depends a lot on what you want... keepassx? |
| 10:46.29 | petern_ | keepassx |
| 10:46.29 | qrq1 | wols I use pcsxr. Sound is cracking. pcsxr use sdl driver. |
| 10:46.45 | qrq1 | wols And SDL driver got problems with sound latency |
| 10:46.59 | qrq1 | wols I want to change sound latency |
| 10:47.02 | Traubert | keepassx looks like what I want |
| 10:47.04 | Traubert | thanks |
| 10:47.26 | qrq1 | wols I get underruns all the time. ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 10:47.52 | wols | so alsa doesn't get data fast enough and your PC is too slow? |
| 10:47.57 | Iridos | Traubert, there's lots of similar ones... portability so it also runs on your smartphone might be one of the things _some_ people want etc. etc. |
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| 10:48.23 | qrq1 | wols I dont know . All I want to do is to change latency. |
| 10:48.38 | Traubert | right |
| 10:48.49 | Traubert | well, I don't really need that at the moment |
| 10:49.00 | Traubert | gpass was better by virtue of having less things to fiddle with |
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| 10:49.17 | Iridos | pwsafe is another one |
| 10:49.52 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:49.57 | Traubert | which package is that? |
| 10:50.20 | Iridos | package pwsafe? |
| 10:50.26 | Iridos | oh, that's only in squeeze |
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| 10:50.28 | Traubert | Iridos: that finds nothing but keepass2 and -x |
| 10:50.48 | Traubert | password manager works |
| 10:50.55 | Iridos | Traubert, actually, look without database... right :) |
| 10:51.00 | Traubert | revelation advertises itself as being gnome |
| 10:51.16 | Traubert | there's also zsafe |
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| 10:51.23 | qrq1 | wols How increase buffer? |
| 10:51.56 | Traubert | ahh it's tk |
| 10:51.58 | Iridos | actually keepassx does run on my N900 and is also in maemo... never transferred passwords there, though :) |
| 10:52.28 | Traubert | boo hoo, why does everything get bloated |
| 10:52.32 | Traubert | I just want a password manager |
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| 10:52.53 | Traubert | I don't want to first give a name to my password database |
| 10:53.04 | Iridos | why not? |
| 10:53.32 | Traubert | because it's one more think to meaninglessly decide |
| 10:53.36 | Traubert | *thing |
| 10:54.01 | Iridos | call it "keepassx.kdb"? |
| 10:54.11 | Iridos | then you can call keepassx keepassx.kdb |
| 10:54.28 | Traubert | it won't even remember my default database?! |
| 10:54.31 | petern_ | it does |
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| 10:54.34 | Traubert | but ok, thanks for the suggestion |
| 10:54.42 | Iridos | it does, too :) |
| 10:54.59 | Iridos | but remembering the default is bloat! |
| 10:55.03 | petern_ | keepassx on dropbox is handy |
| 10:55.16 | petern_ | as long as you choose a suitable master passphrase of course |
| 10:55.20 | Traubert | it is bloat, but at least it's not user-bloat |
| 10:55.40 | Traubert | it's apple / just works -bloat |
| 10:56.03 | petern_ | then i have a password hierarchy inside |
| 10:56.29 | petern_ | maybe i should store it in a plausible deniability truecrypt volume :) |
| 10:56.54 | Traubert | you mean like rubberhose? |
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| 10:57.48 | Iridos | it's funny... you have so many accounts and passwords today, that it's impossible to remember them all |
| 10:58.15 | Traubert | keepassx has a nice key-file generation thing |
| 10:58.17 | Iridos | for a while, I just used the same simple password for all the "unimportant stuff" accounts |
| 10:58.44 | Iridos | which is a bad idea... specially, as you never know if an "unimportant stuff account" gets important because you use it more and more |
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| 10:58.51 | Traubert | though it appears to be 64 characters chosen from uppercase ascii + 0-9 |
| 10:59.07 | petern_ | Traubert, you can select the length and the characters used |
| 10:59.10 | Iridos | so now we put our trust in password managers... and if ever our database is lost, we cannot login anymore anywhere |
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| 10:59.18 | petern_ | although it won't use non-ascii |
| 10:59.25 | petern_ | (i assume you meant alpha back there) |
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| 10:59.51 | petern_ | Iridos, indeed. or if you forget your password manager's password... |
| 11:00.02 | petern_ | i guess that counts as lost, i suppose |
| 11:00.03 | Traubert | yeah |
| 11:00.08 | Traubert | ah, so it does |
| 11:00.13 | Iridos | apropos... what was my pw-managers password |
| 11:00.18 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 11:01.12 | Iridos | just kidding... yes, that's also "lost" |
| 11:01.31 | Iridos | probably best to keep a printout in a safe |
| 11:01.35 | petern_ | mumbles about websites that limit password length |
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| 11:01.58 | Traubert | petern_: though it doesn't seem to affect the keyfile generation |
| 11:02.20 | Traubert | I have a printout of my pgp key revocation certificate somewhere |
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| 11:03.24 | Iridos | "you have to choose a password longer than 7 characters and shorter than 13 characters, it must at least contain three characters from the alphabet and two numbers and one character out of !?.+-, but not "'´`$%&. |
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| 11:04.02 | Iridos | and you'll have to change password every effing two months and not more than 2 characters in a row may be the same as your old password |
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| 11:04.17 | petern_ | heh |
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| 11:04.32 | petern_ | and you're not meant to write it down/store it |
| 11:04.39 | Iridos | *as in your last 10 old passwords |
| 11:04.40 | Iridos | right |
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| 11:05.06 | Traubert | I always wondered about that |
| 11:05.19 | Traubert | my bank prints out passwords to my netbank and sends then through the mail |
| 11:05.26 | petern_ | otoh, keepassx gets around the restriction i have on some systems of not being able to use copy&paste |
| 11:05.42 | Iridos | and if you forgot your password and have to have it reset, we charge you $20 for our effort |
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| 11:06.36 | Iridos | dpkg, wb |
| 11:06.37 | dpkg | thanks, iridos. It's good to be back. |
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| 11:09.11 | Iridos | sometimes I wonder about the people who make these rules |
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| 11:13.05 | Traubert | cool, now kpassx on my laptop needs a key on my phone *and* a password to open |
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| 11:14.03 | boudiccas | Traubert; thats security for you! |
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| 11:15.48 | Traubert | yeah |
| 11:16.03 | Traubert | now I just need an alternate duress-password which will only reveal unimportant stuff |
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| 11:27.31 | Zap-W | does anyone know of a tool for checking password strength |
| 11:28.05 | petemc | johh |
| 11:28.10 | petemc | sorry, jack |
| 11:28.34 | petemc | hmm, maybe it is john the ripper |
| 11:28.54 | boudiccas | nah, jack the ripper sounds more likley |
| 11:28.59 | boudiccas | likely |
| 11:29.09 | petemc | its john... |
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| 11:35.07 | Zap-W | petemc: alright cool thanks |
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| 11:46.18 | Zap-W | petemc: is it good for use in a script just want to check one password |
| 11:46.27 | Zap-W | user entered password |
| 11:46.38 | Zap-W | seems a little massive |
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| 12:02.19 | rgr | Whats the recommended virtualisation Software for debian (squeeze) these days? I need to run a copy of Win7 so would prerfer to use an image and run it on the debian desktop. |
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| 12:02.49 | petemc | virtualbox is popular |
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| 12:07.31 | DummyMode | good morning.. |
| 12:07.48 | unguestly | one two three |
| 12:07.57 | unguestly | so that's' basically working as of now. |
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| 12:20.42 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I change the default Paper Size from US Letter to A4 systemwide? I'm using Gnome with Squeeze |
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| 12:24.41 | Slydder | hey all. anyone got a good idea for an alternative to Tiger? the audit system? |
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| 12:25.48 | cityLights | hi all |
| 12:26.07 | cityLights | how can I issue sevral openvpn clients from one pc? |
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| 12:26.33 | cityLights | can I have a service that will run openvpn --config a.conf ? |
| 12:26.55 | mosno | hid3: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html |
| 12:27.16 | abrotman | cityLights: there's a rather large #openvpn |
| 12:27.47 | cityLights | b bye |
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| 12:28.44 | hid3 | Thanks! |
| 12:29.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !wheezy |
| 12:29.24 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 12:33.52 | Arafangion | Why won't my Thunar desktop mount my USB stick correctly? |
| 12:34.24 | Arafangion | It just gives that generic error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1... (etcetera) |
| 12:35.00 | Arafangion | Looking at dmesg, however, I have: (It's weird) |
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| 12:36.07 | Arafangion | http://paste.debian.net/128061/ |
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| 12:36.19 | Arafangion | So apparently Thunars thinks my USB drive is a CD. |
| 12:37.06 | Krabbe | its just checking if that device is an optical drive |
| 12:37.14 | th0r | Arafangion: looks like the usb stick might be corrupted. Do you have another one to try? Also, might this usb stick be encrypted? |
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| 12:37.24 | Arafangion | th0r: It mounts fine using the command line. |
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| 12:37.41 | mastro | my debian testing is a mess in GTK..... it's mixed between application expecting gtk3 (evolution) and application using gtk2... is there a way to "fix" this? |
| 12:38.12 | Arafangion | th0r: That actually corresponds to the FAT-fs line in the dmesg. |
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| 12:40.38 | th0r | Arafangion: well, dmesg indicates that the vfs cannot find a partition on the drive, which is why it assumes it is a cd. When you use the command line, I believe you are 'forcing' the partition number, which may be why it works there. If there is nothing on the drive I would be tempted to reformat it. |
| 12:40.44 | nakee | any idea why wine is not in testing? |
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| 12:41.24 | Arafangion | th0r: That's weird, but possible. I could copy everything off it, and reformat it. |
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| 12:42.10 | th0r | Arafangion: I agree it is a weird problem. But once in a while you get a usb stick that just isn't 'kosher'. |
| 12:42.54 | Arafangion | th0r: It's a stick I've had in a while, thunar's the first program that had an issue with it - mac os x is fine. |
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| 12:44.04 | th0r | Arafangion: then look into thunar-vfs and gnome-vfs. they are responsible for the automounting if I remember correctly |
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| 12:45.04 | Arafangion | thunar-vfs seems to be installed. Weird. |
| 12:45.18 | Arafangion | And the partition's picked up fine by udev. |
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| 12:46.06 | th0r | Arafangion: I am afraid I can't be of much further use...I have exhausted my knowledge of the file systems <smile>. It is weird that the partition is picked up by udev and not passed to the vfs |
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| 12:46.38 | th0r | Arafangion: I would be curious if this is a problem with just this one stick or if thunar fails with all usb drives |
| 12:46.40 | Arafangion | th0r: Ah, I tried to unmount it using thunar, since I mounted it using the command line. |
| 12:46.58 | Arafangion | th0r: Interestingly, it is now claiming that it can't unmount /media/cdrom0. |
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| 12:48.03 | Arafangion | Which suggests to me that there's a bug. |
| 12:48.15 | Arafangion | It should be unmounting /mnt, or /dev/sdb1. |
| 12:48.30 | Arafangion | Which is the mount point used, and the device, respectively. |
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| 12:50.37 | th0r | Arafangion: I don't know about a bug, I think it is just a lack of communication between the cli mount command and thunar. I believe the fuser utils come into play with automount as well, as they manage the creation of the mountpoints. It is a complex system I never had to completely understand <smile> |
| 12:50.58 | Arafangion | th0r: the "mount" program is descriptive enough. |
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| 12:51.14 | Iridos | thunar? |
| 12:51.20 | th0r | Iridos: yes |
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| 12:51.52 | Iridos | ew, file manager |
| 12:52.00 | Arafangion | Well I can't be bothered to debug it, what's another good file browser? |
| 12:52.06 | Arafangion | Iridos: They're sometimes useful. |
| 12:52.09 | afuentes | Im upgrading a few debian servers. The original mantainers are missing. When i make a diff of the conf files its hard for me to tell what changes are made by the package mantainer and witch ones are from the old admin. Im thinking of doing a diff to 3 files (original conf - modified conf - new conf) Is there an easy way to do this or at least to be able to easy pull from the servers the original conf? (i can find the package and path with dpkg -L and |
| 12:52.09 | afuentes | apt-file) |
| 12:52.12 | th0r | Iridos: it is actually a problem with automounting of a usb stick |
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| 12:52.37 | th0r | Arafangion: I have been playing with pcman from the lxde collectioin |
| 12:52.51 | Iridos | Arafangion, check bug reports |
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| 12:52.57 | Arafangion | Let me give that a go, although I suspect that pcman is even more simplistic. |
| 12:53.11 | Slydder | ok. ppl. looking for different *nix auditing tools. till now I have Cops, Tiger and TARA. anyone know of any others that are along the same lines? |
| 12:53.22 | th0r | Arafangion: are you running gnome? |
| 12:53.29 | Arafangion | th0r: xfce. |
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| 12:53.44 | Arafangion | I run a low-power system, so trying to be efficient. |
| 12:53.51 | th0r | Arafangion: then check pcman...it seemed to be on a level with thunar, but I haven't used it a lot yet |
| 12:53.54 | Arafangion | I might even return to fluxbox. |
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| 12:54.28 | th0r | Arafangion: I was rather impressed with lxde, you might want to give that a try |
| 12:54.49 | Arafangion | Does it fullscreen arbitrary windows? |
| 12:54.50 | th0r | Arafangion: reminded me of where xfce came from back when the install package did a total compile <smile> |
| 12:55.13 | Arafangion | Hmm, Thunar-vfs uses deprecated HAL. |
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| 12:55.54 | Iridos | afuentes, no. But whenever you choose to replace or not, the old/new configuration will be put into another file (file.dpkg-old or file.dpkg-new)... so you can come back later and check the changes |
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| 12:56.39 | Iridos | and most of the time, maintainer-changes to the config are not very extensive (specially if you disregard changes to comments) |
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| 12:57.54 | afuentes | Iridos, yep, but i cant tell apart in that diff what changes are from mantainer and what are from old admin |
| 12:57.55 | afuentes | :S |
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| 12:58.09 | Arafangion | Linux programs are frequently, but not always, backwards compatible. |
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| 12:58.50 | Iridos | afuentes, yeah, but that's not so very important. Just edit it to make sense :) |
| 12:59.34 | Arafangion | Hmm, pcmanfm also fails. |
| 12:59.56 | Arafangion | It says that the 'helper' failed, and from the output log, that looks to be 'automount'. |
| 13:00.12 | Iridos | afuentes, you could install a lenny system with those packages in a virtual machine... I don't think there's a simple way to get configuration files ... specially as postinst scripts or debconf could modify them on first install |
| 13:00.28 | Arafangion | The original files will usually be in the packages. |
| 13:00.33 | Arafangion | Which are cpio archives. |
| 13:00.52 | afuentes | yup, i think i can find original files in packages |
| 13:01.01 | Iridos | they're not cpio |
| 13:01.17 | Iridos | !deb |
| 13:01.17 | dpkg | Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package>. |
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| 13:01.43 | afuentes | the thing is lot of services, and to pull the package, extract them, and put them together to make the diff will be very time consuming |
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| 13:02.32 | Iridos | Arafangion, and as I said... postinst or debconf might modify or even create them. There's no guarantee that they're in the package |
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| 13:03.18 | Arafangion | Oh, *rpm* files are cpio, I think. |
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| 13:05.41 | Arafangion | Found my problem, I think! |
| 13:05.52 | Arafangion | Damned annoying. :( |
| 13:06.26 | Arafangion | I installed debian using a USB stick, which had a DVD image on it, and my fstab contains: |
| 13:06.34 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.44 | Arafangion | Therefore, it would assume my usb stick is a cd drive. :( |
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| 13:06.57 | leojrfs | hi |
| 13:07.26 | leojrfs | my debian 6 box is rebooting wen is at high network load |
| 13:07.33 | leojrfs | i checked the dmesg |
| 13:08.05 | leojrfs | and there is a r8169 link up spam! |
| 13:08.05 | Arafangion | leojrfs: SOunds like a hardware issue. |
| 13:08.46 | leojrfs | it seems that is the network card causing the issue |
| 13:08.46 | Iridos | I think you need a serial console to see the kernel panic message, if there is one |
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| 13:09.42 | Arafangion | The video output would probably be fine. |
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| 13:10.10 | leojrfs | Iridos |
| 13:10.24 | leojrfs | ill do that |
| 13:10.38 | Coornail | Is the kerel.panic sysctl set at you? |
| 13:10.44 | Iridos | I would say netconsole... but that's a bit problematic in your case :) |
| 13:10.57 | leojrfs | Coornail, sorry? |
| 13:11.13 | Coornail | Sysctl -a | grep kernel.panic |
| 13:11.47 | leojrfs | kernel.panic = 0 |
| 13:11.56 | Coornail | Hm... |
| 13:12.03 | Coornail | Then why is it rebooting? |
| 13:12.37 | leojrfs | well, it only reboots wen is at high network load |
| 13:12.48 | leojrfs | i stressed the cpu and it stood still |
| 13:13.07 | Iridos | after the reboot, the system won't know about a kernel panic |
| 13:13.13 | leojrfs | ill try to compile the official drivers from realtek |
| 13:13.16 | brah_ | Why can't I do `apt-get -d dist-upgrade`? |
| 13:13.34 | brah_ | It tells me it is going to update and install packages. |
| 13:13.36 | Iridos | and actually a kernel panic shold just stop the system, not reboot it, so maybe something is going even more wrong and there is no kernel panic and no message... |
| 13:13.51 | Coornail | Yes, that was i was thinking |
| 13:13.53 | Iridos | leojrfs, well, fix is probably to get a different network card |
| 13:14.01 | Coornail | Yep |
| 13:14.12 | leojrfs | its integrated in the motherboard |
| 13:14.17 | Iridos | but you can't check for that except by looking for a kernel panic message |
| 13:14.18 | Coornail | Or a power supply |
| 13:14.19 | leojrfs | i want to know the problem |
| 13:14.44 | leojrfs | the first thing that is strage |
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| 13:14.46 | leojrfs | is that |
| 13:14.51 | leojrfs | before the restart |
| 13:14.59 | Iridos | leojrfs, well, always good to check the bts... but might be purely a hardware flaw |
| 13:15.01 | leojrfs | dmesg outputs a complete spam |
| 13:15.10 | leojrfs | of r8169 link up message |
| 13:15.38 | Iridos | what exact kernel is it? |
| 13:15.50 | leojrfs | 2.6.32-5 debian |
| 13:16.32 | Iridos | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 ? |
| 13:16.47 | Iridos | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem? |
| 13:16.53 | brah_ | How do I download and not install the packages from a dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:17.05 | Iridos | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64? (lots of 2.6.32-5 around) |
| 13:17.33 | leojrfs | amd64 |
| 13:17.55 | Iridos | brah_, "man apt-get"? -----> --download-only |
| 13:18.02 | leojrfs | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 13:18.17 | brah_ | Iridos: It still offers to update and install them. |
| 13:18.30 | brah_ | With both -d and --download-only |
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| 13:18.57 | brah_ | "436 updated, 475 to be installed, 40 to be deleted and 0 not updated." |
| 13:19.10 | Iridos | but does it actually install them? |
| 13:19.22 | brah_ | I'm not going to try. I just want to download them. |
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| 13:20.19 | brah_ | "I need to download 883MB of files. 698MB of additional disk space will be used after this operation." |
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| 13:24.30 | Iridos | brah_, I think you should try |
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| 13:35.03 | leojrfs | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34172 |
| 13:35.05 | leojrfs | here it is! |
| 13:35.39 | leojrfs | definitely a driver problem |
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| 13:38.01 | claw | how to remove empty lines of an file ? |
| 13:38.20 | Iridos | leojrfs, that's for the 3.0 kernels |
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| 13:38.46 | leojrfs | Iridos, the fix is! |
| 13:39.00 | Iridos | leojrfs, if you're sure that's the same problem, file a bug against the debian kernel |
| 13:39.03 | dkr | claw: perl -ni -e'print unless /^$/' file |
| 13:39.14 | leojrfs | Iridos, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710650 |
| 13:39.16 | leojrfs | for example |
| 13:39.18 | leojrfs | another one |
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| 13:39.51 | leojrfs | it seems to be hapenning in newer controllers |
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| 13:40.05 | leojrfs | anyways im going to finish the official driver install now |
| 13:40.12 | niklaswe | how can I fix so all incoming traffic on my vpn going out on the vpn too..? |
| 13:40.13 | leojrfs | and i will report |
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| 13:43.23 | jhutchins_lt | niklaswe: set up the routing. |
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| 13:46.41 | niklaswe | jhutchins_lt: so the default gw for my vpn-net will be the vpn-interface right? |
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| 13:47.48 | ferz | Hi |
| 13:47.48 | ferz | http://debian.netcologne.de/debian-backports/pool/main/p/postgis/postgis_1.5.2-1~bpo60+1_amd64.deb doesn't contains libraries and .sql to install postgis on postgres. Which package have I to fetch to have them? |
| 13:48.06 | SgrA | debian-6.0.2.1-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso < Why does this try to download the necessary packages from internet? |
| 13:48.16 | SgrA | I need to perform offline installation. |
| 13:48.59 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to get a list of programs which are (partially) swapped out? |
| 13:49.30 | leojrfs | Iridos, now i see that this is a common problem... |
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| 13:51.13 | nitzs | I installed a version of pcmanfm from wheezy. But it doesn't work as expected. How can I revert back to the version in squeeze? |
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| 13:52.00 | sajkaca | hi. i set network to static.. but after some ours it goes beck to dhcp? whats wrong? should auto eth0 be # in front or is that ok? |
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| 13:52.31 | Iridos | sajkaca, uninstall the package with the dhcp client |
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| 13:52.54 | petemc | safejav_: how did you set network to static? |
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| 13:52.59 | petemc | Iridos: thats rather heavy handed |
| 13:53.04 | Iridos | (and kill the running program if it still runs afterwards) |
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| 13:53.38 | Iridos | petemc, not really... either you use dhcp or you don't...... there's not so many useful in-betweens |
| 13:53.47 | Iridos | (ok, maybe some) |
| 13:53.50 | petemc | ... |
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| 13:55.27 | sajkaca | this is the configuration file of network http://paste.debian.net/128074/ .. so any clue why it goes back to dhcp? and the configuration stays the same |
| 13:55.34 | justjealouse | whats the main linux version of gui c++ |
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| 13:56.53 | Iridos | sajkaca, it "goes back" because you didn't stop networking before you made the changes, then started them again afterwards, I would guess |
| 13:57.34 | Iridos | petemc, I stand by that... best to uninstall it if you don't use it |
| 13:57.39 | rozie | sajkaca: network manager/wicd running? |
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| 13:58.55 | Hasham | hi...if i have to download an app from packages.debian.net , how do i make sure i dont miss any dep and how do i install it...? |
| 13:59.10 | sajkaca | root 1902 0.0 0.0 6748 1076 ? Ss Aug23 0:00 dhclient -v -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 ### should this be it? |
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| 13:59.28 | qmr | How do I have a program output to STDOUT as well as a file? |
| 13:59.47 | Iridos | sajkaca, yes |
| 13:59.48 | qmr | I want to save this documentation fo shitty ping to show to comcast dude, but I also want to view it as it scrolls by :P |
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| 14:00.18 | jelly | qmr: tee |
| 14:00.33 | Iridos | qmr, ping something | tee bla.txt |
| 14:00.37 | abrotman | or script |
| 14:00.48 | abrotman | qmr: they might find 'mtr' more useful |
| 14:00.49 | qmr | thanks :D |
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| 14:00.54 | sajkaca | Iridos: strange.. how to remove this? i never saw this before.. normally when i change ip to static it worked well :P |
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| 14:01.16 | Iridos | just kill it? |
| 14:01.22 | sajkaca | ok |
| 14:01.57 | nitzs | I installed a version of pcmanfm from wheezy. But it doesn't work as expected. How can I revert back to the version in squeeze? |
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| 14:02.58 | SgrA | What are the 8 DVD's for? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:03.50 | nitzs | SgrA, Well .. it would be quite an overkill to download a whole DVDfor a single package. |
| 14:04.09 | qmr | SgrA: huh? the 8 DVDs are all the software in debian |
| 14:04.15 | SgrA | Oh |
| 14:04.23 | Iridos | !tell nitzs about mixing |
| 14:04.27 | Iridos | !tell nitzs about downgrade |
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| 14:04.42 | SgrA | I need to install debian on an offline system Xfce4 |
| 14:05.07 | Iridos | nitzs, in theory, apt-get install "pcmanfm -t squeeze" but see the factoids from dpkg, too |
| 14:05.07 | qmr | !tell qmr about mixing and downgrade |
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| 14:05.18 | Iridos | !tell qmr -about selftell |
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| 14:05.29 | Iridos | also combining with "and" doesn't work :) |
| 14:05.30 | qmr | someone should fix the bot so it can take multiple inputs |
| 14:05.42 | qmr | !tell iridos about meh |
| 14:05.55 | Iridos | qmr, that would break having factoids names that contain "and" |
| 14:05.57 | nitzs | Iridos, what are 'factoids'? |
| 14:06.18 | qmr | Iridos: ok, make it AND then, or & or && |
| 14:06.23 | Iridos | nitzs, small fact-collections collected in the dpkg bot. the bot sent you two private messages |
| 14:06.34 | nitzs | okay |
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| 14:09.16 | nitzs | Iridos, how long have you been using debian? |
| 14:10.02 | jelly | since strangeReleaseNameThatNooneEvenRemembers |
| 14:10.08 | Iridos | qmr, infobot is open source (Perl artistic License). I am sure you can submit patches and ask for them to be added... or fork if people dont agree. |
| 14:10.29 | Iridos | jelly, how did you know? |
| 14:10.35 | Iridos | anyway, dpkg remembers |
| 14:10.38 | Iridos | dpkg, release history |
| 14:10.38 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 14:10.57 | Iridos | nitzs, Potato |
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| 14:11.32 | nitzs | Iridos, that's 11 years of hacking. whoa. |
| 14:11.45 | jelly | Iridos is very good with the axe |
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| 14:12.35 | Iridos | wields the axe and looks grim. |
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| 14:13.05 | cheebu | any one know how to alow MySQL remote access to a database created by phpmyadmin |
| 14:13.08 | cheebu | ? |
| 14:13.17 | abrotman | did you think to ask #mysql? |
| 14:13.34 | cheebu | they will know debian aproach? |
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| 14:14.14 | abrotman | there are two parts of that .. one is that mysql has to listen for tcp connections, second is that you have to tell mysqld to accept those connections |
| 14:15.17 | cheebu | can you work with me for a couple of mins private chat? |
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| 14:16.24 | jelly | sure, private help is 50EUR/hr, two hours minimum |
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| 14:17.01 | Iridos | +1 |
| 14:17.03 | abrotman | he charges the same for lap dances |
| 14:17.18 | Iridos | but funny thing... nobody wants those |
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| 14:18.10 | abrotman | cheebu: keep it in the channel |
| 14:18.24 | abrotman | cheebu: i'm not going to respond in msg |
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| 14:18.48 | justjealouse | why are people on the debian channel so anal about respoding in private |
| 14:18.48 | Iridos | except after receiving the first €100 |
| 14:19.04 | abrotman | justjealouse: in my case .. I'm in the middle of packing so I can move ... is that okay with you? |
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| 14:19.38 | Iridos | justjealouse, dunno what you want... jelly offered very nicely to respond to pm, no? |
| 14:19.40 | justjealouse | yesterday i asked some questions and they were all telling me to no msg people so its not just you |
| 14:19.42 | abrotman | in general, if someone in msg doesn't know, or is giving bad advice .. no one else would know |
| 14:19.49 | Iridos | I'd do, too at the same conditions |
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| 14:19.58 | ir8 | hello all. |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | justjealouse: call it a sort of peer review/help |
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| 14:20.17 | abrotman | cheebu: i'm still not going to respond in msg |
| 14:20.43 | ir8 | Question can someone give me some assistance with a dns zone file? http://pastebin.com/fryyasAP | Error when starting bind | loading from master file /var/cache/bind/pri/hostopia.com.zone failed: not at top of zone |
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| 14:21.04 | Iridos | justjealouse, why are people so insistant on getting private personal help that nobody else can profit from by following the conversation? |
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| 14:21.19 | ir8 | the issue is I am attempting to create a dynamic dns server with DHCP all how to state that is how the zone needs to be configured. |
| 14:21.21 | qrq | I still didnt fixed my problem.... |
| 14:21.23 | ir8 | any help? |
| 14:21.34 | qrq | I need help |
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| 14:21.48 | ir8 | qrq what is your issue? |
| 14:21.48 | kuznetzvo | with what. i'm a noob but i can google just as good as anybody |
| 14:22.41 | ir8 | kuznetzvo: my question is odd. |
| 14:22.42 | ir8 | heh. |
| 14:22.58 | qrq | I use pcsxr , I get sound underrun all the time , pcsxr use SDL driver |
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| 14:23.09 | qrq | ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 14:23.34 | boudiccas | qrq; and its been suggested to you to use a different music programme |
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| 14:23.47 | qrq | Its Playstation emulator |
| 14:24.12 | qrq | Its case of sound latency |
| 14:24.14 | ir8 | qrq: use pulse. |
| 14:24.25 | qrq | pulseaudio? |
| 14:24.29 | ir8 | yes. |
| 14:24.31 | qrq | Ok |
| 14:24.33 | qrq | BRB |
| 14:24.44 | kuznetzvo | ir8, this dude hass an extensive reference but dunno how good his documentation is: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-setup-dhcp-server-and-dynamic-dns-with-bind-in-debian.htmlhttp://www.debianadmin.com/howto-setup-dhcp-server-and-dynamic-dns-with-bind-in-debian.html |
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| 14:25.14 | ir8 | kuznetzvo: that si really what I've been tinkering about with, his zone files are nuked. |
| 14:25.23 | kuznetzvo | ah |
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| 14:25.45 | ir8 | DNS is simple, I have it working just niot updating w/ his settings. |
| 14:25.58 | kuznetzvo | i got like 10 minutes before i gotta go see the job coach (and there's a shit that needs to be taken care of before i go) or i would do more research.. =\ |
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| 14:26.21 | ir8 | kuznetzvo: that seems to be a "Error 404 - Not Found" |
| 14:26.40 | kuznetzvo | fat fingered it |
| 14:26.49 | ir8 | no worries. |
| 14:26.52 | kuznetzvo | ir8, this dude hass an extensive reference but dunno how good his documentation is: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-setup-dhcp-server-and-dynamic-dns-with-bind-in-debian.html ^ |
| 14:26.53 | ir8 | yeah that is surely the same one. |
| 14:27.00 | kuznetzvo | most likely |
| 14:27.32 | ir8 | yep. |
| 14:27.37 | kuznetzvo | been a windows guy from the get go.. got first hooked on linux does stage1 gentoo installs in 2004 =p |
| 14:28.07 | kuznetzvo | course there's usually no jobs out there for just windows.. with aix, rhel, z/os, cisco, etc |
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| 14:28.34 | kuznetzvo | got fired back in 2009 just before i was going to go do SANS training :( |
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| 14:29.41 | qrq | The same effect in pulseaudio |
| 14:29.44 | kuznetzvo | time to go. good luck guys. cheers |
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| 14:30.14 | Ian2 | hey guys, how can I upgrade to kernel 3.0? |
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| 14:30.46 | Zap-W | ‎~# pwqgen |
| 14:30.46 | Zap-W | entail*rodent!jewish |
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| 14:31.27 | qrq | So tell me know how change sound latency for application |
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| 14:32.47 | ir8 | kuznetzvo. damn dude. |
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| 14:33.03 | Kasreyn | trying to boot nfsroot "VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem) on device 0:15. |
| 14:33.27 | justjealouse | is there a way to change the terminal color only when loading up a certain program? |
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| 14:33.36 | Kasreyn | and there it's stuck. do you need any specific nfs packages installed? |
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| 14:33.54 | Iridos | ir8, never configured bind, so that's a bit of guessing, but as nobody answers... how can you have two origin stanzas, one empty? |
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| 14:34.24 | qmr | Iridos: but then ... writing perl.. gross. I haven't done that since I was 16 |
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| 14:34.33 | Ian2 | can anyone tell me how to get the 3.0 kernel? |
| 14:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | Kasreyn: Not enough information to guess your answer. |
| 14:34.45 | abrotman | Ian2: for which versoin of Debian ? |
| 14:34.59 | Iridos | qmr, how sad. Then perhaps we'll have to do without the ability to query multiple factoids at once |
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| 14:35.39 | qmr | how is not writing perl sad. that's like saying not killing people is sad. perl is horrible. |
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| 14:35.54 | abrotman | overpopulation |
| 14:36.06 | nkuttler | oh my language flaming? |
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| 14:36.29 | Ian2 | linux debian 2.6.32.5 |
| 14:36.33 | Kasreyn | wait i forgot "init=/bin/sh" bootarg |
| 14:37.06 | Iridos | abrotman, a little genocide never hurt anyone? :-P |
| 14:38.00 | Kasreyn | yup i get # prompt now |
| 14:38.01 | ir8 | yeah, I think i got it |
| 14:38.04 | ir8 | i needed @ |
| 14:38.42 | Ian2 | abrotman, linux debian 2.6.32.5, its the latest stable |
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| 14:38.55 | qrq | Can anyone really help me? :D |
| 14:38.57 | qmr | oh my word, there's a linux 3.x now? |
| 14:38.57 | qmr | is now reading http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.0 |
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| 14:39.45 | abrotman | Ian2: you can try backports.debian.org .. they have something newer .. not sure what it is currently |
| 14:39.58 | abrotman | Iridos: i was going more random |
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| 14:40.34 | Ian2 | abrotman, is it not possible with apt-get? |
| 14:41.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 14:41.41 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 14:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | I have heard rumors that the changes necessary to implement 3.0 on squeeze are too extensive for a backport to be considered at this time. |
| 14:42.51 | abrotman | Ian2: i believe to do a 3.x on squeeze, you need a new udev .. good luck with that! |
| 14:42.51 | Iridos | :( |
| 14:43.47 | Ian2 | abrotman, do you maybe know a tutorial for upgrading? |
| 14:44.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ian2: There is no organized method yet. You are welcome to write one! |
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| 14:44.36 | abrotman | Ian2: what's wrong with the kenrel you have? |
| 14:45.19 | Ian2 | dont have the drivers and the new driver improvments that I want |
| 14:45.20 | jhutchins_lt | Ian2: Debian Stable is really not intended for changes that big. |
| 14:45.20 | Arafangion | I'm runnign 3.0 on sqeeze, seems to be ok. |
| 14:45.31 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Did you document the necessary steps? |
| 14:45.35 | Arafangion | I do have some backports, but I don't think that includes udev. |
| 14:45.42 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: What else did you have to upgrade? |
| 14:46.01 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: I backported everything that got the nvidia binary stuff working from sid. |
| 14:46.02 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Did you backport or just mix releases? |
| 14:46.08 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Backported. |
| 14:46.16 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Did you make a list? |
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| 14:46.26 | Kasreyn | grr my nfs root is mounted but with user nobody/nogroup so i can't actually do anything |
| 14:46.31 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: No, but I can put my packages up if you want? |
| 14:46.36 | Arafangion | I mean, the list from dpkg. |
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| 14:46.55 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Well, a post to one of the support lists saying what it took would be helpful. |
| 14:47.05 | jhutchins_lt | What are the advantages of running 3.x on squeeze? |
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| 14:47.18 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, shiny? :) |
| 14:47.25 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: It let me use NVidia Ion on the 3.x kernel, and the 3.x kernel let me use my wifi. |
| 14:47.55 | Iridos | ha... that could be the case for me, too... the 2.6.32 kernel doesn't even see that there's an on-board wifi |
| 14:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Wouldn't it be simpler to just backport the wifi driver? |
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| 14:48.17 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: The driver is in the kernel. |
| 14:48.24 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: I needed a new module and everything. |
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| 14:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Kernel modules can be bacported individually. |
| 14:49.06 | Arafangion | It's nto ideal, though, so I can understand why there isn't an official backport. One of the nvidia options isn't qutie working. |
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| 14:49.10 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: I didn't realise that. |
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| 14:50.15 | qmr | Kasreyn: mount -o remount,rw ? |
| 14:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Well, there are obviously people who are interested in this, if you wrote a brief "how I did it" that listed the packages you used it would be a contribution to the community. |
| 14:50.17 | Arafangion | I couldn't even figure out how to hack the nvidia kernel sources to compile on the 3.x kernel, which was why I backported those too. |
| 14:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Post it to a list for comments, if they like it you could put it on the wiki. |
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| 14:51.42 | Iridos | Kasreyn, root always gets mapped to nobody/nouser... tried a different user? |
| 14:51.47 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Really, all I did was do a kp for the latest kernel, and an ssb for the various nvidia packages, and ssb'ing their dependencies when I discovered they weren't working. Lather and repeat until done. |
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| 14:52.54 | Arafangion | There was one package that refuses to install cleanly, actually, due to the lack of multiarch support in squeeze, which seems to mean that I don't actually have video acceleration or something, but DVD's play fine, although that's pushing it. |
| 14:53.05 | Kasreyn | Iridos: qmr: added no_root_squash in /etc/exports, seems to help when mounting nfs as root :) |
| 14:53.26 | juggernauts | I am trying to boot from gparted through pd...i m using unetbootin software..whn i boot from pd it dosent show any screen and just hangs.. why?? |
| 14:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | pd... |
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| 14:53.51 | juggernauts | pen drive |
| 14:53.57 | juggernauts | usb |
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| 14:54.05 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Yep, vdpau. |
| 14:54.08 | Zambezi | Can anyone check this output and help me get sound again in mplayer? I have sound in VLC, but I can't stand it. Row 25 is a clue: http://pastebin.com/4n7y0xkH |
| 14:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | juggernauts: Sounds like a bad image. md5sum? |
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| 14:54.33 | Iridos | Kasreyn, it's a security thing... you don't want people to be able to create root-owned suid programs on your nfs server |
| 14:54.47 | juggernauts | how to change it?? |
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| 14:55.25 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 14:55.29 | jhutchins_lt | juggernauts: Check the md5sum of the image file and of the resulting drive. If they don't match, re-run unetbootin. |
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| 14:55.52 | lancelot_of | how to simply change fonts in grub?i tried with no success this way: http://paste.debian.net/128078/ and how to fix all those horrible errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/128086/ |
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| 14:56.25 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: What release? |
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| 14:57.13 | ir8 | hmmm |
| 14:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | lancelot_of: This does not look like a standard Debian install. Do you have intel graphics? Is the intel kernel module loaded? |
| 14:57.51 | lancelot_of | jhutchins_lt, release of Xorg 1:7.6+8 |
| 14:57.54 | juggernauts | jhutchins_It: I tried it...thts nt problem...and when i boot from usb it shows syslinux 3.63 and related stuff but nothing happens after tht.. |
| 14:58.32 | Arafangion | juggernauts: That's not squeeze? |
| 14:58.54 | Arafangion | *lancelot_of: That's not squeeze? |
| 14:59.00 | jhutchins_lt | juggernauts: Sounds like a problem with gparted |
| 14:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | juggernauts: I would check the documentation for their live image. |
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| 15:00.38 | juggernauts | jhutchins_lt:on googling i came to know that it requires syslinux 3.8...or higher... |
| 15:01.32 | juggernauts | i tried to upgrade it but it gave error tht it culdn't find previous boot sector |
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| 15:04.34 | lancelot_of | i fallen did i miss anything? |
| 15:05.21 | computerx | I've got a fun one for you. New install of debian 6 from CD 1 only. DHCP failed during install, I set the network manually. The installer couldn't access the internet, and now the installed version CAN: Do DNS lookups, ping out and respond to pings. CANNOT: Do anything tcp related (browser, wget, apt etc) |
| 15:06.00 | lancelot_of | jhutchins_lt, Arafangion ? |
| 15:06.11 | Arafangion | lancelot_of: That xorg is not in squeeze? |
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| 15:07.59 | aPpYe | is nfs going to be any faster for file transfers (specifically a dd image of a hard drive) than just going over ssh? |
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| 15:08.31 | computerx | aPpYe, probably yes |
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| 15:08.59 | computerx | Maybe 10% faster |
| 15:08.59 | Arafangion | Considering that NFS is specifically made to do file transfers. |
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| 15:09.05 | dedbef | patience |
| 15:09.05 | Arafangion | Whiel SSH is specifically made to do so securely. |
| 15:09.06 | aPpYe | computerx, ah I see ... that isn't a big deal then. |
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| 15:09.48 | computerx | I looked into it recently, nfs vs cifs vs ssh. It goes like this: nfs > cifs > ssh for speed. |
| 15:11.00 | karlpinc | computerx: Could be driver-ie. Tried installing a newer kernel from backports? |
| 15:11.01 | aPpYe | computerx, ah I see. currently, the plan is to image this machine over cifs to a windows machine. I guess this will be fine then.... |
| 15:11.34 | karlpinc | aPpYe: You're probably bandwidth limited anyway. |
| 15:11.35 | computerx | nfs and cifs aren't too dissimilar in performance. |
| 15:12.00 | computerx | karlpinc, Ahh, now this is something that's beyond me. How would I do this? |
| 15:12.11 | karlpinc | !tell computerx about bdo |
| 15:12.12 | jelly | computerx: you might like to look at http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 15:12.38 | karlpinc | computerx: Since you've not got network, copy the .deb of the new kernel onto a usb key or something and install it with dpkg. |
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| 15:13.37 | aPpYe | karlpinc, well, when it comes time to do this, this will all be over 1gb fiber (I think) ... perhaps 1gb copper. |
| 15:13.37 | computerx | jelly, Interesting. I guess that puts the bottleneck more on the speed of the CPU for cryptography. |
| 15:13.43 | karlpinc | computerx: If you've another debian box use "aptitude download ..." to get the .deb |
| 15:14.06 | computerx | I have an ubuntu box (is that swearing in here?), so I guess I can use that |
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| 15:14.22 | karlpinc | aPpYe: What problem are you trying to solve? If you want backups you may want something like rsnapshot. |
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| 15:15.18 | aPpYe | karlpinc, yeah, 1gb cat5/6/whatever ... no it has to be a dd image of a corrupted sql server. we want an exact copy of it to repair so the production box can continue to run. |
| 15:15.45 | Arafangion | jelly: Any idea about when or if those patches will get into openssh proper? |
| 15:15.54 | karlpinc | aPpYe: 1Gb is ~300MB/sec, which is a single sata II drive worth of bandwidth. If you've sata III (6Gbps) then you're only gettting half the bandwidth of the disk. And, cpu is lots faster than disk. So either way, it's bandwidth not cpu that's throttling you. |
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| 15:17.19 | g00se | fsck is supposedly checking the journal of my second hd's fs. 'recovering journal' Should i be able to log into another terminal while that's happening? |
| 15:17.34 | wols | karlpinc: in which world is 1Gb = 300MB/s ? |
| 15:17.57 | nvz | g00se: if its doing that at boot it happens before the other terminals have started probably |
| 15:18.01 | wols | g00se: depends if getty is already running |
| 15:18.04 | Arafangion | wols: aPpYe's poor english was the context for that response. |
| 15:18.06 | qmr | any thoughts / tips on making an encrypted home partition to use between both linux and windows? |
| 15:18.17 | karlpinc | wols: In the world where network bandwidth is measured in bits and there's 8 bits to a byte. (Yes?) |
| 15:18.17 | Bushmills | g00se: depends where from fsck has been launched |
| 15:18.25 | wols | qmr: truecrypt |
| 15:18.31 | Bushmills | during boot, unlikely that you can log into anything else |
| 15:18.36 | nvz | g00se: typically the system does not reach a multi-user runlevel until after it has passed the rootfs check |
| 15:18.37 | Arafangion | qmr: More or less the only option. |
| 15:18.37 | aPpYe | karlpinc, I gotcha. so cpu is where any bottleneck between the different protocols? |
| 15:18.45 | aPpYe | Arafangion, poor english? |
| 15:18.56 | computerx | qmr: I second wols. It'll be horrible too. |
| 15:18.56 | Arafangion | aPpYe: You should've said gigabit ethernet. |
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| 15:19.00 | cheebu | i have a software running that will use a databse file... i made the database file with phpmyadmin... now im trying to have mysql host this database file and alow remote connection to it... can some one help me with this tutorial? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/remotemysql.htm no one is active on the mysql irc |
| 15:19.06 | wols | Bushmills: there is no gbit link in existence that delivers 300 real megabytes per second. just calculate it for yourself pleas |
| 15:19.12 | g00se | I'm just scared there's a hang. There's no signs of anything happening at all |
| 15:19.17 | karlpinc | aPpYe: More likely it's protocol overhead and imperfect use of network bandwidth. |
| 15:19.25 | qmr | yes, I was thinking/hoping that would be how to do it. idk about making it shareable between both OSes though |
| 15:19.28 | qmr | computerx: horrible ? |
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| 15:19.32 | Bushmills | wols: pardon? |
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| 15:19.42 | nvz | g00se: no disk activity indicator lights on the machine? |
| 15:19.45 | wols | sorry, was for karlpinc |
| 15:19.56 | lancelot_of | Arafangion, no that xorg is in wheezy |
| 15:20.15 | computerx | qmr: Well, you'll either want to investigate auto-mounting, which I can think of doing in Linux... Doing the same in Windows will be a pig. Well, like everything in Windows that's more advanced than Word. |
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| 15:20.18 | karlpinc | wols: Sure. I agree. But we're talking back-of-the-envelope. |
| 15:20.22 | Bushmills | g00se: journal recovery shouldn't take long |
| 15:20.30 | g00se | nvz: No disk activity light. But then it IS the 2nd hd... |
| 15:20.32 | Bushmills | (less than a second, typically) |
| 15:20.42 | wols | back of the enveloper is bits/10 = bytes |
| 15:20.43 | karlpinc | wols: (I did use a ~.) |
| 15:20.50 | computerx | qmr: Or mounting after login, manually. Which is, well, manual and probably besides the point |
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| 15:20.59 | wols | not 300% that much |
| 15:21.11 | aPpYe | Arafangion, lol splitting hairs! |
| 15:21.15 | g00se | Perhaps i should manually power off and go into single user? |
| 15:21.32 | aPpYe | what would I call the ten gigabit fiberchannel stuff? |
| 15:21.34 | Arafangion | aPpYe: It *is* 1:30am for me. :) |
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| 15:21.47 | aPpYe | Arafangion, lol |
| 15:21.56 | karlpinc | wols: *sigh* My brain is indeed broken. Oh well. |
| 15:22.06 | nvz | g00se: youre already in single user and can get out of fsck with a break |
| 15:22.29 | nvz | g00se: at which point if the disk is good enough to boot it will, if not it will ask for root pw and force you to finish the fsck |
| 15:22.45 | wols | cheebu: make mysql listen on 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1 and you are done |
| 15:22.54 | karlpinc | aPpYe: wols correctly points out that 1Gbps is 100MBps. |
| 15:22.56 | g00se | nvz: What kind of break? |
| 15:22.59 | Arafangion | aPpYe: computer hardware isn't fast enough for 10gbps. That kind of stuff would require dedicated circuitry. |
| 15:23.06 | nvz | g00se: the ^C kind of break |
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| 15:23.54 | nvz | regardless of how its ran, or why.. fsck is still an application.. and it can still be cancelled.. |
| 15:23.54 | g00se | nvz: The only reaction to that is to print ^C to the console |
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| 15:24.29 | qmr | bits/8 = bytes à ² _à ² |
| 15:24.35 | nvz | well since fsck is largely kernel mode execution it will have to reach a point its not running in kernel mode for it to break |
| 15:24.40 | wols | qmr: not in the real world |
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| 15:24.50 | pif | hi, how do I list my hard disks at the command line? |
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| 15:24.56 | Arafangion | qmr: It's more like 12 or 14 bits. |
| 15:24.57 | pif | cat /proc/? |
| 15:25.08 | nvz | but you can break out of it, I do it all the time.. heh.. often just remount it rw and init 2 afterwards.. heh |
| 15:25.11 | qmr | ..... |
| 15:25.25 | wols | !tell pif about whats my hardware |
| 15:25.33 | qmr | I have attended engineering courses at the most prestigious community college in teh country, and I assure you, there are 8 bits in a byte :P |
| 15:25.47 | pif | wols: thx |
| 15:26.01 | computerx | qmr: What if there's a parity bit? :D |
| 15:26.07 | g00se | nvz: But it won't break at the mo - ^C is printed. I doubt if it's fsking at the mo at all |
| 15:26.09 | wols | qmr: no one disputes that. but if you have paid attention you also knew that no 1GBit ethernet adapter can sustain 128MB/s |
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| 15:26.48 | wols | similar things happen with ATA and SATA links and so on |
| 15:27.06 | nvz | g00se: you do know I mean ctrl+c right? if doing that a couple times don't break out of it and there is no hdd activity, then its probably hung up in kernel mode.. probably indicates hardware issues like a lose cable or faulty APIC or something |
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| 15:27.39 | karlpinc | Is there a recommened app that takes multiple image files on input and lays them out and prints them. I'd like to print some photos and want more than one per output page. I've used gimp in the past, but you'd think there'd be something more automated. (Although with gimp I can crank up the image quality to the printer....) |
| 15:27.41 | nvz | s/lose/loose/ |
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| 15:28.57 | cheebu | i have a software running that will use a databse file... i made the database file with phpmyadmin... now im trying to have mysql host this database file and alow remote connection to it... can some one help me with this tutorial? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/remotemysql.htm |
| 15:29.29 | wols | cheebu: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 15:29.55 | karlpinc | wols: I've not bothered to benchmark. Do you happen to know the actual throughput of a sata link offhand? |
| 15:31.02 | wols | karlpinc: 520-540 afaik. that's what SSD makers tell about their hardware. since they compress in realtime, they would max out the speeds if they could. Surprise! it's the usual ~10% of off the maximum like always |
| 15:31.03 | g00se | nvz: I certainly hope i know what you mean ;) I just did a hard power down and restarted explicitly in single-user and that seems to have worked. Phew! |
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| 15:31.25 | wols | cheebu: messaging people unasked is a very fast way to get ignored. good bye |
| 15:32.10 | nvz | g00se: well thats good anyhow. you know you can also mount ext3 as ext2 ignoring the journal entirely? |
| 15:32.10 | lancelot_of | how to simply change fonts in grub?i tried with no success this way: http://paste.debian.net/128078/ and how to fix all those horrible errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/128086/ |
| 15:32.11 | wols | *sigh* |
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| 15:32.19 | lancelot_of | debian wheezy |
| 15:32.34 | nvz | g00se: just something to consider if a journal ever gives you grief |
| 15:32.34 | jelly | wols: transfers on 1Gbps ethernet come pretty close to 125MB/s |
| 15:32.56 | petemc | i only get 90 or so |
| 15:33.20 | jelly | I got ~920Mbps last time I ran iperf |
| 15:33.45 | karlpinc | jelly: Did you use jumbo frames? |
| 15:33.46 | jelly | that's with tcp overhead |
| 15:33.49 | jelly | karlpinc: no |
| 15:33.55 | wols | jelly: 10% less than max. why am I not surprised. and if you use "Normal" consumer hardware it's more than 10% |
| 15:34.24 | jelly | wols: subtract 2% for tcp/ip |
| 15:35.28 | g00se | nvz: I didn't.Thanks for the tip. I wonder if i should do an explicit fsck on it now? |
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| 15:35.48 | wols | I'd strongly recommend it if it wanted to but failed |
| 15:35.51 | karlpinc | g00se: Sounds safe. |
| 15:36.06 | wols | that is if you value your data. but of course, if you do you already got backups, so just restore |
| 15:36.15 | justjealouse | im trying to install sdl on squeeze but dependency problems occure, do I have to install it manually |
| 15:36.16 | wols | lancelot_of: I suggest you run stable |
| 15:36.18 | nvz | g00se: sounds like a good idea.. while its nice to have progress most errors cannot be recovered with the -a or -p options.. |
| 15:36.34 | wols | justjealouse: squeeze comes with libsdl in the debian repos |
| 15:36.39 | TheRedOctober | Greetings, I am having an issue with fsck escaping on boot. Once I manually fsck the lvm everything checks out and I am able to finish booting. What am I missing? |
| 15:36.45 | nvz | g00se: so you usually serve yourself best to run without them so it will complete successfully on the first try |
| 15:37.00 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: "escaping"? |
| 15:37.23 | wols | karlpinc: it's damn hard to catch it again when it does this! |
| 15:37.32 | TheRedOctober | karlpinc: boot process stops and I go into maintenance mode, I fsck my lvm, exit that, and all is good |
| 15:37.50 | TheRedOctober | karlpinc: sad thing is, I cannot be around every time to do this, so it is a bit of a fatal problem |
| 15:38.09 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: What's the error message? |
| 15:38.10 | g00se | nvz: OK. So i'll umount and run fsck with no options? |
| 15:38.24 | wols | TheRedOctober: the boot process gives out an error message before it stops. read it? |
| 15:38.28 | nvz | g00se: haha. how is that gonna work? |
| 15:38.43 | nvz | g00se: fsck is on the disk.. you can't unmount the rootfs.. |
| 15:38.59 | TheRedOctober | wols: Aborting with Error 8, quite cryptic, no idea |
| 15:38.59 | g00se | nvz: It's my 2nd hd |
| 15:39.15 | nvz | g00se: oh.. well then yeah, you can unmount or just mount it ro either way |
| 15:39.37 | TheRedOctober | The actual fsck takes one second |
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| 15:40.26 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: Humm. "8 - Operational error" wtf? |
| 15:40.38 | g00se | nvz: I've never done it explicitly before - do i point it at /dev/hdc or /dev/hdc1? |
| 15:40.54 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: What version of debian? |
| 15:41.09 | TheRedOctober | Squeeze |
| 15:41.15 | nvz | g00se: it has to run on the filesystem.. not the disk.. so unless you have no partition table it'd be the latter |
| 15:41.22 | Odaym | doesn't Totem allow to send output through somewhere besides the default? I can direct the Audio on VLC to go to the Headset |
| 15:41.26 | g00se | OK ;) |
| 15:41.27 | Odaym | so easy |
| 15:41.31 | TheRedOctober | Fresh install, LVM, RAID5, 5 drives, sync good |
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| 15:41.34 | nvz | has gotta run.. be back later |
| 15:41.54 | Odaym | bad totem! |
| 15:42.17 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: See the squeeze release notes. There was something about delayed disk detection that might be relevant. I think it contains a work-around. Maybe in the "what's new" section? OTOH, this might or might not help. |
| 15:42.33 | lancelot_of | wols, bug #640002 |
| 15:43.16 | TheRedOctober | karlpinc: Thanks, I will check that out |
| 15:43.24 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: Also install smartmontools and see if the diagnostics say anything. Check your logs /var/log/syslog. etc etc. |
| 15:43.35 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: Look in dmesg output. |
| 15:43.37 | g00se | nvz: Actually i could do with a bit of feedback, so -c should be ok shouldn't it? |
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| 15:44.08 | TheRedOctober | karlpinc: I couldn't find anything relevant in syslog or dmesg about the LV, which surprised me |
| 15:44.18 | g00se | actually that should be -C |
| 15:44.25 | karlpinc | TheRedOctober: Possibly also try a newer kernel from bdo. |
| 15:44.56 | TheRedOctober | karlpinc: thank you very much, i am going to give these a shot. |
| 15:45.29 | wols | lancelot_of: squeeze xorg cannot use HD3000 at all. so your downgrade was utterly useless |
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| 15:45.51 | g00se | It was clean. Thanks as usual to all, especially nvz |
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| 15:46.12 | wols | you must have wheezy xorg to use sandybridge video. I suggest snapshot.debian.org for a older xorg which doesn't have the bug (but is still from wheezy) or a upgrade to sid xorg if applicacable |
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| 15:46.17 | wols | ,versions xorg |
| 15:46.18 | judd | Package xorg on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.3+20; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; squeeze-backports: 1:7.6+8~bpo60+1; sid: 1:7.6+8; wheezy: 1:7.6+8 |
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| 15:47.22 | iluminator101 | what the default key server for debian? |
| 15:47.53 | daemonkeeper | Key server for what? |
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| 15:48.29 | iluminator101 | hkp keys |
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| 15:49.02 | daemonkeeper | HKP is a protocol |
| 15:49.33 | iluminator101 | i know, what meant keyserver like keyserver.ubuntu.com |
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| 15:50.30 | daemonkeeper | There is no such thing. There are keyserver for certain purposes, but not a general global keyserver. |
| 15:50.46 | woshty | hi, since 3.0 (i use testing) rear audio gets switched off if headphones are connected at front. how to change that. i want both at the same time |
| 15:51.49 | iluminator101 | daemonkeeper, so i should use subkeys server for now??? |
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| 15:52.47 | daemonkeeper | iluminator101: Keyservers are connected with each other. It does not matter which one you use. |
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| 15:53.18 | qmr | woshty: ask #alsa? there are some sharp folks there |
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| 15:53.37 | qmr | (that's not at all to say no one here knows what to do, just a suggestion if they don't) |
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| 15:54.05 | woshty | qmr: yes, the default for my audio driver might habe changed .. |
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| 15:55.04 | qmr | I would just use old kernel. hard work pays off in the future, laziness pays off now. |
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| 15:55.44 | jhutchins_lt | woshty: I would expect that if headphone cutoff was automatic, it would cut off all speakers by default. |
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| 15:56.01 | jhutchins_lt | woshty: Not doing so was probably considered a bug. |
| 15:56.09 | qmr | oh. another lazy fix would be to just use a splitter. |
| 15:56.21 | qmr | heh. that's great, when features you use are bugs and fixed |
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| 16:00.30 | iluminator101 | W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirror.cc.columbia.edu_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 16:01.40 | DummyMode | anyone can recommend a local wiki to use? which is in repos of course.. |
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| 16:02.04 | DummyMode | just wanna organize lots of txt files with lots of data |
| 16:02.07 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: FWIW. You ask about lvm benefits, so I've been thinking how to summarize. There are really 2. 1) Many things can be done while the system is up. Even if uptime is not important this also means that things can be done remotely. (This seems to be what appeals to me.) 2) LVM snapshots allow the disk to "settle" before backup. |
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| 16:02.49 | karlpinc | DummyMode: I always like moin. YMMV. |
| 16:02.58 | DummyMode | let's see |
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| 16:03.32 | lancelot_of | ok i must go, have a nice day |
| 16:03.34 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Appreciate the input. |
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| 16:04.37 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Been struggling with mapping a reported bad block on a disk used with lvm back to the file -- so I'm getting a less in costs. :) |
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| 16:08.00 | cheeburashka | can some one help me with debian and MySQL? im having trouble setting up remote acess to mysql |
| 16:08.28 | daemonkeeper | Debian binds MySQL by default to localhost |
| 16:09.25 | cheeburashka | i cahnged the ip in the config files |
| 16:10.15 | cheeburashka | mysql> update db set Host='176.9.25.46' where Db='UO_db'; |
| 16:10.16 | cheeburashka | ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'UO_db.db' doesn't exist |
| 16:10.23 | cheeburashka | ops |
| 16:10.51 | wols | cheeburashka: that is not what you are suppsoed to to. even your howto you linked earlier tells you to edit your my.cnf. why didn't you do that yet? |
| 16:11.21 | wols | karlpinc: wouldn't smart automap that block as bad? |
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| 16:13.52 | computerx | Soo, what do I do if kill -9 pid doesn't work? |
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| 16:14.33 | wols | !zombie |
| 16:14.33 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 16:14.51 | computerx | Right. Grr, thanks. |
| 16:14.59 | wols | other kind is a kernel level lock. neither you can remove except by rebooting |
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| 16:17.47 | computerx | From now on, I'm boycotting every hardware manufacturer that doesn't explicitly support Linux. |
| 16:18.00 | computerx | It's a good job I build my own PCs. |
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| 16:20.37 | woshty | solved. there is a switch automutemode in alsa |
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| 16:30.49 | jhutchins_lt | Commander1024: There's plenty of hardware who's manufacturer doesn't explicitly support Linux, but who's hardaware works great under it. |
| 16:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | Commander1024: Oops. |
| 16:31.17 | jhutchins_lt | He gone. |
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| 16:37.38 | karlpinc | wols: It's an un-recoverable read error. Remapping won't keep the file from being corrupted. So (as an exercise because I don't really care) I'm figuring out what file it is. |
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| 16:39.08 | wols | that's exactly what SMART is designed for |
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| 16:39.53 | karlpinc | wols: ? It will recover an un-recoverable read error? Should I paste the error message etc.? |
| 16:40.28 | iluminator101 | is geoip included in the kernel or do i have to compile a kernel with it? |
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| 16:41.49 | somiaj | iluminator101: the kernel config file is located in /boot/config-<version> for debian kernels, grep it for the config option to see if it is enabled or not |
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| 16:42.54 | karlpinc | What's irritating is that smart is passing the drive. If I'm losing data why is the drive passing? |
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| 16:49.46 | grosendorf | when running apt-get install -d <package>, where are the downloaded packages located? |
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| 16:52.02 | ypcs | grosendorf: /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? :) |
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| 16:52.33 | qxt | Where can I pull the source code of iceweasel ? |
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| 16:52.47 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: I don't think geoip has anything to do with the kernel. |
| 16:52.54 | grosendorf | ypcs: you rock :) |
| 16:52.56 | somiaj | qxt: you can add a deb-src line to your sources.list and apt-get source <pkgname> and it puts it in your cwd |
| 16:53.13 | somiaj | qxt: you can also goto packages.debian.org and download it from there. |
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| 16:54.16 | qxt | somiaj thx that makes life a lot nicer. I need to fix a nasty bug that has been hanging around since May 8 in wheezy/sid with IW. Got DDD all fired up and want to get this done asap =) |
| 16:54.35 | wols | karlpinc: it will map out the URE automatically and use a "hot spare" sector instead |
| 16:54.42 | somiaj | qxt: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 16:54.58 | wols | karlpinc: long smart test is neded btw |
| 16:54.59 | somiaj | qxt: it tells you how to use it to make the full package, just make sure you add the patch in the process |
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| 16:55.53 | qxt | somiaj, |
| 16:56.16 | qxt | somiaj, thx I do just that. See ya in a few hours if your around. |
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| 16:59.50 | karlpinc | wols: Thanks. I've got long tests scheduled but.... |
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| 17:08.04 | tabakhase | hi there, apt-ing nagios-plugins-standard always wants to bring bind9-host to its just recommend not depend, how to stop that? |
| 17:08.34 | tabakhase | apt-get install nagios-... --without=bind9 would be what i search |
| 17:08.56 | somiaj | tabakhase: by default apt-get will include recommended packages but not suggested. You can change this behaviour |
| 17:09.19 | somiaj | tabakhase: put a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ |
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| 17:10.13 | somiaj | sorry, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ is the direction, I put a file I call 20recomends |
| 17:10.35 | somiaj | tabakhase: it contains the two lines APT::Install-Recommends "false"; and APT::Install-Suggests "false"; |
| 17:10.55 | somiaj | that will change the default, you can also man apt-get search for recommends and turn it off (or on) for a paticular time you run it |
| 17:11.07 | tabakhase | isnt that "to big"? i want him "only to not install this single package now" normaly he schould take reccomends |
| 17:11.53 | somiaj | tabakhase: then use |
| 17:11.58 | maxjezy | hell |
| 17:11.59 | maxjezy | o |
| 17:12.08 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.17 | maxjezy | i want to be able to mouseclick using touchpad |
| 17:12.21 | somiaj | tabakhase: I prefer to disable it, look at the list and then manually install any of the packages on that list I want. |
| 17:12.30 | maxjezy | is it a bug or m i doing something wrong? |
| 17:12.40 | quitte | maxjezy: have you looked at gnome's mouse settings? |
| 17:13.04 | maxjezy | quitte, no, i'll check that |
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| 17:13.33 | tabakhase | somiaj even "--no-install-recommends" is still kind of "big".... |
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| 17:14.26 | tabakhase | brings nagios-plugins-standard from bind9-host dnsutils fping geoip-database libbind9-60 libcap2 libdns69 libgeoip1 libidn11 libisc62 libisccc60 libisccfg62 liblwres60 libnet-snmp-perl libperl5.10 libradiusclient-ng2 libsensors3 libsnmp-base libsnmp15 libsysfs2 libtalloc2 libwbclient0 nagios-plugins-standard qstat samba-common samba-common-bin smbclient snmp whois |
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| 17:14.40 | tabakhase | down to just libradiusclient-ng2 nagios-plugins-standard *lol* |
| 17:15.21 | maxjezy | thnx for the help |
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| 17:16.26 | tabakhase | anyway, worked fine so far, thanks somiaj (and that option might should be mentioned on --help...) |
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| 17:17.04 | somiaj | tabakhase: I don't see a way to just remove one package in the man page..my guess is one of those recommends is pulling in the majority of the libs. Why not just install what you want |
| 17:17.23 | somiaj | tabakhase: apt-get --no-install-recomends <pkg1> <pkg2> <pkg3> etc |
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| 17:17.36 | somiaj | tabakhase: use the recomends list to decide what other packages you want |
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| 17:18.31 | somiaj | well if there is an option for apt-get for that its missing from the man page, as an alternative use aptitude its a bit smarter and mroe advanced |
| 17:20.17 | jhambo | Does the recent ca-certificates update have anything to do with the stories about DigiNotar getting hacked? |
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| 17:24.34 | Coweater | jhambo: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/ca-certificates/current/changelog |
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| 17:26.27 | Coweater | changelogs are also included in the package install |
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| 17:27.51 | jhambo | Coweater: cool. Where are they? |
| 17:28.18 | simonlnu | /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ |
| 17:28.20 | Coweater | something like locate changelog|grep ca-certificates |
| 17:28.45 | jhambo | very cool. Always wondered about that. thanks |
| 17:29.08 | somiaj | bugs.debian.org is another good place, bugs.debian.org/<pkg name> for a quick search |
| 17:29.42 | simonlnu | * Non-maintainer upload by the Security Team. * Blacklist "DigiNotar Root CA" (Closes: #639744) |
| 17:30.09 | simonlnu | ca-certificates (20110502+nmu1) unstable; urgency=high |
| 17:30.30 | jhambo | So it seems even after updated ca-certificates, several repositories still fail to load... |
| 17:31.03 | simonlnu | ,dbugs 639744 |
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| 17:31.21 | simonlnu | !dbugs 639744 |
| 17:31.21 | abrotman | didn't it just revoke a CA? |
| 17:31.26 | dpkg | DONE:#639744:C[ca-certificates] Compromised certificates for *.google.com issued by DigiNotar Root CA (security); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:21:35 UTC [] |
| 17:31.29 | simonlnu | yes |
| 17:31.44 | abrotman | so what would that have to do with repositories? |
| 17:31.50 | simonlnu | Removing debian:DigiNotar_Root_CA.pem |
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| 17:32.24 | Ian1 | I installed slim and it workes, but I dont have the .xinitrc file, is that normal ? |
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| 17:32.50 | somiaj | Ian1: unless you create it yourself yes, if you dont' have .xinitrc it will just use system defaults |
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| 17:33.11 | simonlnu | !.xsession |
| 17:33.12 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 17:33.17 | simonlnu | !.xsessionrc |
| 17:33.25 | justjealouse | whats the difference between codeblocks debian and codeblocks debian-dbg |
| 17:33.39 | simonlnu | -dbg is to... debug |
| 17:33.51 | justjealouse | kk dont need that |
| 17:34.02 | simonlnu | the binaries haven't been stripped, so you can run them through gdb or other tools |
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| 17:34.06 | Ian1 | somiaj, so I have to create it by my own? |
| 17:34.28 | justjealouse | why isnt there codeblocks in the debian dpkg? |
| 17:34.38 | somiaj | Ian1: if you need to, it usually just contains one or two lines. The system defaults are fine for many |
| 17:35.08 | Ian1 | somiaj, I need it then becuase I want to start xfce by default |
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| 17:35.41 | somiaj | justjealouse: apt-cache show <pkg name> look at the depends, it will probabaly pull in the normal package |
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| 17:36.05 | somiaj | Ian1: then create a file, add one line 'exec /usr/bin/xfce' (or what ever the actual binary is) |
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| 17:36.42 | Ian1 | somiaj, will it start only xfce without gnome in the background? |
| 17:37.08 | somiaj | Ian1: yes, slim honors .xinitrc |
| 17:37.21 | somiaj | Ian1: works just fine for me, slim + fvwm here |
| 17:37.47 | Ian1 | fvwm is more lightwight than xfce? |
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| 17:38.16 | justjealouse | somiaj: i cant find the package on their website either.. |
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| 17:39.28 | somiaj | Ian1: it can be (depending on the config) but it requires you wanting to config it yourself, my config file is 1000 lines |
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| 17:39.43 | somiaj | justjealouse: so these are unoffical pacakges you're talking about? |
| 17:40.10 | justjealouse | i suppose, i mean what else would they be |
| 17:40.15 | justjealouse | sigh ill just install manually |
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| 17:40.29 | somiaj | justjealouse: official packages will live in the offical debian repos you set up in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:40.49 | Ian1 | somiaj, btw: my notebook with debian stable crushes after 10minutes of working, why? |
| 17:40.54 | somiaj | justjealouse: unoffical packags are anything outside of those offical repos, in which they could not follow debian standards and or have issues. |
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| 17:41.36 | somiaj | Ian1: what crashes? If the whole thing goes, bad kernel or hardware. If just xorg goes (you can sometimes use ssh to get into a crashed xsystem to verify this), bad video drivers or something else |
| 17:41.40 | boudiccas | lan1 it crushes? |
| 17:41.44 | justjealouse | or debian devs are too lazy to put them.. i mean its open source |
| 17:41.49 | somiaj | Ian1: but unless it crashes by doing the same thing, it could be bad ram. Test your ram. |
| 17:42.12 | Ian1 | somiaj, how can I test my ram? |
| 17:42.40 | slackerr | hi all. does anybody know, is somewhere bundled version of php-gd? |
| 17:42.44 | somiaj | justjealouse: yes you can install any package/software you want on debian, but if they dont' come from an offical repo for stable, you are basically left on your own with little to no support |
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| 17:42.57 | slackerr | *binary |
| 17:43.03 | somiaj | Ian1: apt-get install memtest86 -- reboot, sometimes it can take up to 3-4 hours of testing (or more) to find a bad memory |
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| 17:43.43 | somiaj | slackerr: the package "php5-gd - GD module for php5" from debian not good enough? |
| 17:44.00 | somiaj | slackerr: If this isn't in stable (i'm on sid) you will have to look for a backport or make one yourself. |
| 17:44.23 | Ian1 | somiaj, if I find a bad memory it have to this reason for my crash? I mean is it impossible to run your system with bad memory? |
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| 17:45.15 | slackerr | soma`: i need some bundled extensions. cant compile on live server and haven't 64-bit distro to make yourself |
| 17:45.24 | somiaj | Ian1: Basically if you have a bad memory block and importante data gets stored there and corrupted it will crash you system or process using the memory. |
| 17:46.29 | somiaj | Ian1: random crashes are sometimes a sign of bad meory. If the crash happens in the exact same conditions each time, that could be a software bug. |
| 17:46.29 | Derpadong | Is there a special folder where icons of apps are or is everything hardcoded into the app? Im asking cause I want to change some icons to new ones such as xchat |
| 17:47.20 | somiaj | Derpadong: icons for what? Yes xapps can have an icon embeded in the actual binary/process. I've seen ways at extracting them, but changing them, that may depend on your WM and overriding the defaults. |
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| 17:48.22 | Derpadong | Ah I see. Yeah, I know how to do the breaking down of apps. I just needed someone to confirm that some things could be hardcoded |
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| 17:48.56 | somiaj | Derpadong: some apps may have the icons located somewhere, dpkg -L <pkg name> will list all files that package installed |
| 17:49.25 | somiaj | Derpadong: /usr/share/<pkg> is a common place to store things such as icons. But yes there is a standard apps can give icons to X encoded in the binary |
| 17:50.57 | Derpadong | Ill see about this |
| 17:51.34 | justjealouse | can anyone explain what nightly builds do? |
| 17:51.44 | somiaj | justjealouse: nightly builds of what? |
| 17:51.49 | somiaj | debian stable doesn't do nightly builds. |
| 17:51.52 | boudiccas | Justasic; build every night? |
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| 17:52.14 | boudiccas | justjealouse; build every night? |
| 17:52.28 | slackerr | here what i need, but cant download ( |
| 17:52.29 | justjealouse | so they update to latest version every night? |
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| 17:52.31 | Guthur | is there a workable driver for ATI cards on the wheezy (xserver-xorg-core 1.10) |
| 17:52.32 | slackerr | http://www.maxiwebs.co.uk/gd-bundled/download.php?file=php5-gd_5.3.3-1ubuntu9.3_amd64.deb |
| 17:52.34 | somiaj | yea its common for source to build the current development tree (cvs/git/svn) once a day, and then provide the users with the binaries so they dont' have to compile it themselves |
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| 17:52.47 | slackerr | please someone try to dload it |
| 17:53.03 | wols | Guthur: there are several. you need to be more specific |
| 17:53.04 | boudiccas | slacker_nl; d/l what? |
| 17:53.04 | justjealouse | kk makes sense, cause now i got to dl unofficial codeblocks T_T I was wondering what the nightly build meant |
| 17:53.10 | somiaj | Guthur: both the ati free driver and fglxr drivers are available. Just make sure you have the non-free repos for the ati pripority driver. |
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| 17:53.50 | boudiccas | slackerr; d/l what? |
| 17:54.01 | somiaj | justjealouse: note if your installing an unoffical package and run stable, if it includes deps outside of stable you may want to build your own package. Also you take all secuirty, bug manners into your own hand when just copying binaries over. |
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| 17:54.04 | Guthur | somiaj, ok, will give it another shot, tried recently with little success |
| 17:54.13 | clynamen | hi. I was trying to install debian etch on my router using bootstrap, but when some download fail bootstrap doesn't stop and retry the download. |
| 17:54.28 | wols | Guthur: you might want to give us more info, so we can help you better. would improve your chances of success I guess |
| 17:54.30 | slackerr | boudiccas: package php5-gd with bundled version, following that link |
| 17:54.47 | Guthur | ...and read some reports that the ATI driver was not playing nice with the latest offering from xorg |
| 17:54.57 | somiaj | Guthur: its working fine on my laptop, I have used both for the free and non-free. Though I'm running sid, its not much different from testing -- realize testing things can break (such as ati) and be broken for a while, it is testing and you will get better support at irc.debian.org in the room #debian-next |
| 17:55.10 | darkstego | what does one use for ddns on ppp interfaces |
| 17:55.13 | boudiccas | slackerr; i'm not corrupting my system with a ubuntu package |
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| 17:55.43 | wols | darkstego: same as for any other interface |
| 17:55.44 | Guthur | wols: yeah, true enough, I need to run through it again to get the specifics, the only thing I can say is that could not even get X to start |
| 17:56.00 | wols | Guthur: what device? |
| 17:56.10 | Guthur | HD4850 |
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| 17:56.31 | wols | that one works fine with either driver |
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| 17:56.55 | Guthur | ok, will try again, cheers |
| 17:56.56 | Bushmills | darkstego: nsupdate |
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| 17:57.35 | Pinchiukas | # apticron |
| 17:57.36 | Pinchiukas | hostname: Name or service not known |
| 17:57.40 | Pinchiukas | WTF? :/ |
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| 17:58.53 | Bushmills | config problem |
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| 18:00.28 | Pinchiukas | What's the problem? |
| 18:00.48 | Bushmills | that it produces an error message |
| 18:01.06 | Pinchiukas | ... |
| 18:01.07 | somiaj | Pinchiukas: you need to give us more info...check the config file for that app and see what hostname its trying to find. |
| 18:01.07 | iateadonut | ls /bin/hostname |
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| 18:01.29 | spiekey | Hello |
| 18:01.31 | Pinchiukas | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10780 Mar 22 2010 /bin/hostname |
| 18:01.41 | Bushmills | i suppose he's using "hostname" as host name. |
| 18:01.43 | Pinchiukas | somiaj: I guess its own. |
| 18:01.52 | Bushmills | not trying to execute the hostname program |
| 18:02.06 | Pinchiukas | Fix your heads, people. |
| 18:02.09 | Pinchiukas | This is apticron. |
| 18:02.10 | spiekey | whats the best way to automate a basic debian installation (Default Settings such as DHCP, LVM, etc..) |
| 18:02.16 | spiekey | FAI seems to be an overkill |
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| 18:02.44 | iateadonut | join #apticron |
| 18:02.49 | somiaj | automate in what way, over a large number of computers/vps servers? |
| 18:02.58 | somiaj | spiekey: ^^ |
| 18:03.09 | justjealouse | I am having trouble understanding how to install nightly builds, im trying to follow the directions on http://apt.jenslody.de/ but i dont understand how to actually download the nightly build |
| 18:03.26 | Pinchiukas | iateadonut: why don't you do it? |
| 18:03.37 | iateadonut | i mistyped. |
| 18:03.45 | somiaj | justjealouse: this is not a support chan for unnofical software -- I'd go ask their support or read their documentation and FAQ |
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| 18:05.15 | spiekey | somiaj, not that large. But i am sick of those basic installations. I just need an up2date Debian Squeeze installation which was installed with DHCP (client), LVM Partitions (default suggestion from debian) and ssh-server |
| 18:05.27 | Ian1 | in my .xinitrc I added the line exec startxfce4, but slim always starts gnome |
| 18:05.28 | spiekey | the country, language, etc is always the same, too |
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| 18:06.14 | somiaj | Ian1: give a full path to the binary |
| 18:06.38 | justjealouse | wow okay buddy |
| 18:06.44 | somiaj | spiekey: I'd just use debootstrap, create one chroot, update it then just copy it. |
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| 18:07.15 | somiaj | spiekey: but there may be better tools that I'm unaware of. |
| 18:08.09 | Ian1 | somiaj, exec /usr/bin/xfce4-session doesnt work |
| 18:08.22 | justjealouse | sudo apt-get update |
| 18:08.24 | justjealouse | .. |
| 18:09.07 | justjealouse | what do keyrings do? |
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| 18:09.47 | somiaj | Ian1: is that the name of the actual xfce4 binary (I don't know this) -- also did you check your logs for any errors. |
| 18:10.00 | nvz | justjealouse: hold keys.. heh |
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| 18:10.30 | Ian1 | somiaj, which log exectly ? |
| 18:10.51 | RickHull | Hi, after a power outage last night, I am having a strange issue with a single host's ssh connections -- the ssh connections keep breaking, intermittently, after 10 s or 1000 s, even in the middle of traffic. the client shows "Write failed: Broken pipe" |
| 18:11.03 | nvz | justjealouse: for example with sudo, I can sudo -v to verify myself once, and I'm then allowed to sudo without a password until I reboot or type sudo -k |
| 18:11.09 | RickHull | i checked syslog and auth.log and nothing seems amiss. it does seem that sshd is the one shutting things down |
| 18:11.17 | RickHull | it does *not* seem that sshd is the one |
| 18:11.23 | Pinchiukas | Does ssmtp have to relay to somewhere? Or can it delived the mail to the right mailserver? |
| 18:11.26 | nvz | justjealouse: gnome does similar with gksu and the gnome keyring |
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| 18:11.53 | RickHull | are there other logs I can check? syslog and auth.log just show normal logins and the connection shutdowns look like client logouts |
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| 18:11.59 | Bushmills | Pinchiukas: it can't. needs relay |
| 18:12.22 | Pinchiukas | What's the simplest thing that can deliver mail? |
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| 18:13.50 | somiaj | Ian1: maybe ask in #xfce -- as I say if you have $HOME/.xinitrc slim should honor it |
| 18:14.03 | somiaj | Ian1: you could also use $HOME/.xsession (as suggested before) |
| 18:14.03 | Bushmills | i'd say, a cartridge, for the pneumatic mail |
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| 18:15.58 | somiaj | Ian1: another option, what does 'update-alternatives --list x-window-manager' tell you? |
| 18:16.10 | Bushmills | a bicycle used by the postman is more complex |
| 18:16.12 | justjealouse | i kind of get it.. |
| 18:16.19 | RickHull | Pinchiukas: by deliver, does it have to accept mail? or just send? |
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| 18:17.14 | zelo | can someone help me with pattern to replace <br /> with \n for sed? |
| 18:17.16 | justjealouse | once i put in the download location to my sources.list, how do i download the files i want from it |
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| 18:17.58 | jmd | zelo 's%<br />%\\n%g' |
| 18:18.04 | zelo | jmd thanks |
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| 18:18.26 | Bushmills | justjealouse: through aptitude (or apt-get) |
| 18:18.35 | justjealouse | oh lol ok |
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| 18:19.02 | justjealouse | so just a regular apt-get i see |
| 18:19.32 | jmd | zelo, NP. (next time try on #gnu since sed is a gnu package and not specific to debian) |
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| 18:24.59 | zelo | jmd ok. I choose this channel because i knew that here are people who for sure would know answer |
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| 18:25.44 | abrotman | there's actually a #sed |
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| 18:26.10 | abrotman | #awk also .. in case you were wondering |
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| 18:26.16 | jmd | zelo, I sometimes do that when all other channels fail. But it's generally considered bad nettiquette to ask an offtopic question without trying elsewhere first. |
| 18:26.17 | zelo | abrotman thanks i didn't knew that |
| 18:26.43 | abrotman | s/elsewhere/the proper place/ |
| 18:26.59 | zelo | I understand your point |
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| 18:32.53 | Iridos | huh, did you ever try Cenon from cenon.app in squeeze? |
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| 18:33.37 | Iridos | is it horribly broken or what |
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| 18:35.07 | Iridos | weird... there's a bug in the bts that says it still kind of works... for me, all windows disappear after I click "ok" in the error message |
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| 18:35.42 | kdawg | how does one uninstall things that have not been installed using apt-get |
| 18:36.11 | abrotman | rm |
| 18:36.19 | cusco | how has it been installed? |
| 18:36.20 | Bushmills | oh, hurricane electric offers dynamic DNS too now |
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| 18:36.51 | Bushmills | sry, wrong channel |
| 18:37.33 | RickHull | if I were to assume that sshd is misbehaving (my network guys say its not the network), are there any logs besides syslog and auth.log to investigate? |
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| 18:39.11 | kdawg | an auto installer |
| 18:39.18 | kdawg | so tehre is no real way to uninstall it |
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| 18:39.33 | kdawg | other them forcivly removing it peice by peice |
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| 18:41.07 | Iridos | duh... now it (kind of) works... the trick is to prevent all windows from disappearing, apparently... |
| 18:41.13 | somiaj | kdawg: what auto intaller...if you compiled by source, 'make uninstall' is usually an option. |
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| 18:41.26 | somiaj | kdawg: but yes depends on if the method you used has a way to undo it. |
| 18:41.29 | Iridos | which they do whenever something else gets in focus |
| 18:41.32 | Iridos | %-/ |
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| 18:41.53 | justjealouse | can anyone help me install from unofficial repos? |
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| 18:42.43 | PerfDave | justjealouse: I suspect that if you don't know how to do that, you don't know how to deal with the problems you'll get as a result. |
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| 18:43.36 | justjealouse | its better than downloading the standard version.. |
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| 18:44.09 | jmd | Why are there so many orphaned packages? |
| 18:44.52 | kdawg | http://forums.rutorrent.org/index.php?topic=608.0 |
| 18:45.06 | kdawg | that is the autoinstaller i was using |
| 18:45.11 | leojrfs | Iridos, with realtek official drivers is rockstable =D |
| 18:45.22 | leojrfs | i found that is a common problem |
| 18:45.36 | justjealouse | no one here knows how to explain unofficial installations.. |
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| 18:46.42 | Iridos | indeed, we all have a sudden lapse of memory |
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| 18:49.08 | shirish | hi all, does anybody know how can one list all the virtual packages in the index using aptitude/apt-get ? |
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| 18:49.48 | RickHull | kdawg: you should check with the autoinstaller people. #debian supports the official tools |
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| 18:50.18 | RickHull | justjealouse: likewise. #debian supports official tools. unofficial tools are unsupported. |
| 18:50.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is i install doc-debian , where does the documentation gets installed so that I can read them offline? |
| 18:50.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *If |
| 18:50.35 | RickHull | /usr/share/doc usually |
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| 19:05.49 | iderik_ | Is it possible to enable swedish character in my terminal? :) |
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| 19:06.34 | iderik_ | I've enabled it in "/etc/locale.gen" |
| 19:06.39 | iderik_ | and run the gen command |
| 19:06.46 | justjealouse | sigh i guess ill just use a crappy version that doesnt update, thanks |
| 19:06.50 | somiaj | iderik_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:06.58 | iderik_ | thanks |
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| 19:08.54 | iderik_ | somiaj: it did only run the "locale-gen" command for me |
| 19:09.21 | iderik_ | ive already done that :) |
| 19:09.21 | iderik_ | is there anything more i have to do? |
| 19:09.34 | somiaj | iderik_: it should let you pick the default one as well |
| 19:09.44 | iderik_ | ive tried to set "export LC_ALL=sv_SE.utf-8" in .zshrc |
| 19:09.45 | somiaj | if your running ubuntu it doesn't |
| 19:10.02 | somiaj | I ahve always been annoyed at ubuntu for that and don't recall how to change locales easily |
| 19:10.05 | iderik_ | i dont want swedish languages OS, i just want to type swedish characters :) sorry for the bad explaination |
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| 19:10.30 | jmd | iderik_, Then don't set the LC_MESSAGES part |
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| 19:10.46 | iderik_ | jmd: ah ok! ill try that :) |
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| 19:11.58 | iderik_ | jmd: do you know which env is the one that makes me able to type swedish characters? |
| 19:12.33 | iderik_ | could it be CTYPE? |
| 19:13.05 | jmd | iderik_, What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:13.25 | iderik_ | i want to be able to type swedish characters in terminal |
| 19:14.11 | jmd | And you don't have a swedish keyboard? |
| 19:14.19 | iderik_ | i have swedish keyboard |
| 19:14.32 | iderik_ | nothing happens when i press the swedish characters |
| 19:14.37 | jmd | Then set your keboard type accordingly. |
| 19:14.51 | iderik_ | and when other people type swedish characters in irc, i cant see them, its just "?" characters |
| 19:16.03 | jmd | Sounds like you need to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 19:17.31 | iderik_ | jmd: is a restart needed? |
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| 19:18.40 | iderik_ | "locale"-cmd says all enviroment variables are set to POSIX |
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| 19:20.12 | jmd | iderik_, That's why you |
| 19:20.23 | jmd | are not seeing any swedish ones then. |
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| 19:21.27 | jmd | So far as I'm aware, there are only 3 characters in the Swedish language which can't be represented in ascii. |
| 19:21.28 | iderik_ | jmd: is that also why i cant type swe chars? |
| 19:21.30 | jmd | äéö |
| 19:21.39 | iderik_ | ya, those i need :P |
| 19:21.59 | iderik_ | i used to work on ubuntu and with gnome terminal |
| 19:22.06 | jmd | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:22.13 | iderik_ | i did :/ |
| 19:22.27 | iderik_ | it says the generation went fine too |
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| 19:23.04 | iderik_ | if i "export LC_ALL=sv_SE.utf-8" then it sets those env variables that "locale"-cmd shows |
| 19:23.16 | somiaj | Ian1: I don't know why slim wasn't honoring .xinitrc, but yes .xsession is the default place to put such a thing on debian, I just mostly use startx and don't have multiple wm's installed to test |
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| 19:23.23 | iderik_ | but then i have swedish language everywhere |
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| 19:24.19 | Ian1 | somiaj, so it is a debian thing? |
| 19:24.26 | somiaj | !xsession |
| 19:24.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 19:24.39 | jmd | Try LC_CTYPE |
| 19:24.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | who needs X . use bash |
| 19:24.41 | iderik_ | jmd: ok, all locale variables are set to swedish now. still nopt working :/ |
| 19:24.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :P |
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| 19:25.01 | streuner_ | mpg321 http://87.230.55.91:7592/ |
| 19:25.07 | Ian1 | somiaj, so the debian guys changed slim to use always the xsession ? |
| 19:25.24 | iderik_ | Ian1: i have slim, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:25.33 | jmd | iderik_, You have two issues. Displaying the characters and typing them. Deal with them one at a time. |
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| 19:25.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | slim is nice. lightweight |
| 19:25.59 | iderik_ | jmd: ok :) |
| 19:26.03 | Ian1 | iderik_, nothing, I just dont know why slim uses the xession and not the xinitrc, is it just a debian thing? |
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| 19:26.18 | iderik_ | Ian1: that i cannot answer, sorry :/ |
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| 19:26.24 | somiaj | Ian1: again I have no idea why slim isn't honoring .xinitrc -- it could be a bug, check the bts. |
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| 19:26.42 | Ian1 | somiaj, but it honoring xsession |
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| 19:27.02 | iderik_ | jmd: the locales are set to swedish now. ill restart irssi and see if i can see the characters now |
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| 19:27.39 | somiaj | Ian1: so you have a workaround. I am not a matainer, you can look though the bts and then file a bug if you find it as one... |
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| 19:30.53 | iderik | hmm ok |
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| 19:31.30 | djura-san | o/ |
| 19:31.34 | iderik | no more "?" chars at least |
| 19:31.42 | iderik | but there is some really weird characters instead now |
| 19:32.10 | iderik | 'A' is like an "A" with a ~ above |
| 19:35.24 | somiaj | Ian1: it appears that in the /etc/slim.conf it uses the login_cmd which by default only looks for the session file (and bypasses the .xinitrc) |
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| 19:39.45 | Ian1 | somiaj, login_cmd = .xsession ? |
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| 19:40.26 | somiaj | Ian1: yes its a setting in /etc/slim.conf, with login_cmd, the default is to call /etc/X11/Xsession to create the initial session, which is a script |
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| 19:41.06 | somiaj | Ian1: seems that script doesn't check for .xinitrc and just looks for .xsession -- the login_cmd is more difficult than that, but now that you know it doesn't honor .xinitrc but honors .xsession instead what is the real problem? |
| 19:41.27 | somiaj | you can check the scrip /etc/X11/Xsession to see what it does |
| 19:42.14 | somiaj | you can also use update-alterantives --config x-window-manager to set the default window manager on the system |
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| 19:42.43 | Ian1 | becaus I have arch on my virtual mashine and there it uses only the xinitrc what I cant undertand why the same program uses different philosophys |
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| 19:47.33 | jhutchins_lt | Ian1: Yet again we demonstrate that arch is not Debian. |
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| 19:53.30 | somiaj | Ian1: so either a) modify the login_cmd or better yet b) fix /etc/X11/Xsessions to look for .xinitrc first |
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| 19:54.05 | PythonSnake | Hello |
| 19:54.15 | PythonSnake | Where can I find openssl-devel for debian stable ? |
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| 19:54.33 | somiaj | PythonSnake: develment pacakges usally have a -dev at the end of them, use apt-cache search |
| 19:54.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions openssl-dev |
| 19:54.34 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openssl-dev' was found in i386. |
| 19:54.50 | PythonSnake | amd64 |
| 19:55.01 | somiaj | ,versions libssl-dev |
| 19:55.04 | judd | Package libssl-dev on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny11; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze1; sid: 1.0.0d-3; wheezy: 1.0.0d-3 |
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| 19:56.40 | PythonSnake | hmm |
| 19:56.52 | PythonSnake | apt-get sourcce libssl-dev downloads openssl |
| 19:57.21 | somiaj | yes openssl is the source package, it is then split into many pacakges, libssl-dev is one of those packages |
| 19:57.50 | somiaj | libssl-dev is the development headers you can insatll on your system. openssl is the completely source package containing all the subpackages for it |
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| 19:59.04 | PythonSnake | trying to install it |
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| 19:59.53 | justjealouse | whats the directory for linker libraries |
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| 20:02.48 | PythonSnake | still same |
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| 20:04.41 | jhutchins_lt | PythonSnake: you want aptitude install libssl-dev - no source. |
| 20:05.23 | PythonSnake | Plone stills saying no ssl detected |
| 20:05.27 | PythonSnake | anyways thanks |
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| 20:08.26 | Iridos | I think the package I wanted to backport dependsd on a newer g++ than in squeeze |
| 20:08.30 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 20:08.56 | jhutchins_lt | !plone |
| 20:08.57 | dpkg | Plone is a free software, cross-platform content management system built on <zope>. Packaged for Debian as plone3-site and zope-plone3; removed post-Lenny to resolve bug #564956. Plone 4.0 is not packaged for Debian, <RFP> in Debian bug #595555, see also §4.9 of the <squeeze release notes>. http://plone.org/documentation/faq http://plone.org/ #plone on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:09.05 | Iridos | or a newer qt |
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| 20:11.49 | cherrybone | why doesn't the command 'wget -r -l 2 -p http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita' work as expected? |
| 20:11.49 | Iridos | not sure, installed all the build-deps, get lots of errors... |
| 20:12.02 | Iridos | but it must have built for the maintainer |
| 20:12.42 | Iridos | cherrybone, hard to say if you don't tell us what it does and what you expected, yesno? :) |
| 20:13.52 | cherrybone | Iridos: I expected wget to download the given site and its linked sites and the linked linked sites with page requisities each |
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| 20:14.38 | Iridos | recursive is limited to the same server by default for good reasons |
| 20:14.40 | cherrybone | Iridos: just run the command and have a look if wget does what you would expect it to do |
| 20:14.52 | cherrybone | Iridos: that's what I want :) |
| 20:15.09 | Iridos | cherrybone, it does what I expect :) |
| 20:15.20 | Iridos | gets robot.txt, sees that it's not allowed to crawl and obeys |
| 20:15.48 | cherrybone | Iridos: aah, do I just have to disable robots? |
| 20:15.56 | Iridos | cherrybone, and it's disallowed so you READ robots.txt |
| 20:16.43 | wols | !tell Iridos about errors |
| 20:17.44 | cherrybone | Iridos: How do I instruct wget not to obey robots.txt ? |
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| 20:19.54 | cherrybone | Iridos: I mean without modifying wgetrc |
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| 20:21.12 | straterra | Will the latest version of debian run on a i586 processor? |
| 20:21.21 | quitte | yes |
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| 20:21.46 | cherrybone | Iridos: got it. Thanks for telling me to obey robots.txt |
| 20:21.46 | justjealouse | someone said SDL comes with squeeze but dpkg -l sdl returns nothing.. |
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| 20:21.53 | straterra | You sure? RHEL 5/6 have "x86" compat, but they really mean i686 |
| 20:22.22 | quitte | i'm sure, yes |
| 20:22.33 | justjealouse | were they wrong, is SDL even supported? because i cant find the package |
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| 20:22.50 | blubberdi | justjealouse, try "apt-cache search dsl". "dpkg -l sdl" only tells about packages dpkg has already seen |
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| 20:23.08 | blubberdi | justjealouse, "apt-cache search sdl" of course, sorry |
| 20:23.20 | somiaj | justjealouse: ust because it comes in squeeze doesn't mean its installed. (: |
| 20:25.22 | Iridos | cherrybone, it says at the end of section 9.1 |
| 20:25.35 | petern_ | hmm, how big is a debian system with every possible package installed... |
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| 20:26.02 | Iridos | cherrybone, after telling you all the other stuff good to know, I guess |
| 20:27.16 | Iridos | I think they want you to run like wget -w3 -e robots=off -r -l1 -p http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita |
| 20:27.59 | Iridos | I think -l2 isn't a good idea... that'll follow to image pages and all links within |
| 20:28.44 | justjealouse | it says i have libsdl1.2debian-all but none of the libs/header dirs show up |
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| 20:30.06 | Iridos | wols, that's because I was more like still in the complain&grumble phase... but sure... http://pastebin.com/ZQm8QJAm |
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| 20:31.26 | Iridos | or using dpkg-buildpackage, http://pastebin.com/KE9ibQjQ |
| 20:31.54 | abrotman | justjealouse: you need the -dev packages |
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| 20:32.23 | abrotman | justjealouse: also 'aptitude search sdl' .. lots of packages show up |
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| 20:33.42 | lupo33 | Hello! I would like to know how some people do everything from a black emacs terminal on Debian. |
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| 20:34.30 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 20:34.31 | blubberdi | black? like in completely black? or just black background? ;) |
| 20:34.44 | twobitsprite | I would like to know that too |
| 20:34.47 | twobitsprite | can't stand emacs |
| 20:34.54 | lupo33 | Just a black background. What I meant was no windows system. |
| 20:35.11 | twobitsprite | lupo33: well.. emacs has a window system |
| 20:35.12 | Iridos | it's easy when you have a black soul |
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| 20:35.38 | wols | Iridos: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=q3dict.h&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 20:38.21 | cherrybone | cherrybone: yes, got it in the info file. Unfortunately, I am still used to manpages where it is not mentioned... :( |
| 20:38.21 | Iridos | wols, dlocate q3dict.h --> libqt4-dev: /usr/include/qt4/Qt/q3dict.h libqt4-dev: /usr/include/qt4/Qt3Support/q3dict.h |
| 20:38.43 | Iridos | (the files are there, just not found) |
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| 20:40.53 | justjealouse | kk got it thanks |
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| 20:42.11 | fossala | I have just got a filco neo touchpad for my desktop. I want to configure it so I've checked a couple of guides onine and it tells me to check what type of touchpad it is by looking in /proc/input/devices find the trackpad and check the name. The options all the guide give are synap and alp. Mine says "FILCO Smart Track". Is there another way to check what driver it is using? |
| 20:42.28 | twobitsprite | wonders if lupo was confused and just meant terminal instead of actually emacs |
| 20:42.30 | Iridos | So should be include path. What I don't understand... how did it build for the maintainer... it's in the same place in sid |
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| 20:43.05 | Iridos | twobitsprite, could be, could be not... after all we know that emacs is a great operating system... pity that it's lacking a good editor |
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| 20:43.29 | twobitsprite | Iridos: so true... |
| 20:43.36 | Iridos | ( \o/ for being able to repeat that 100-year-old joke) |
| 20:43.48 | twobitsprite | Iridos: however, it does have viper... |
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| 20:47.12 | Iridos | twobitsprite, I think you are playing with your life there |
| 20:47.25 | PythonSnake | anyone here can do a apt-get install libssl-dev and paste output please ? |
| 20:47.32 | PythonSnake | just for a test |
| 20:47.49 | somiaj | PythonSnake: what? why not just paste us your output and ask about the problem you are having |
| 20:47.51 | Iridos | how about you paste your output and we tell you what the problem is? |
| 20:47.59 | Iridos | hehe |
| 20:48.02 | PythonSnake | .. |
| 20:48.03 | Iridos | great minds think alike? |
| 20:48.09 | PythonSnake | I am not using deb |
| 20:48.23 | Iridos | see, already we identified your problem |
| 20:48.28 | an0 | xD |
| 20:48.39 | PythonSnake | .. |
| 20:49.28 | PythonSnake | let me try something |
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| 20:51.11 | Iridos | and what you suggested isn't very useful |
| 20:51.28 | abrotman | it doesn't really matter if it's not Debian |
| 20:51.34 | PythonSnake | :( |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | PythonSnake: go to the channel for your Distro |
| 20:52.13 | Iridos | I just meant the output depends on a lot of things |
| 20:52.38 | PythonSnake | ok |
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| 20:58.39 | glisignoli | Question: Where does the $PATH variable get set usually? Etch 4.0 |
| 20:59.39 | Iridos | /etc/profile |
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| 21:03.03 | Iridos | wols, that's weird... /usr/include/qt4/Qt3Support/q3dict.h contains #include <Qt3Support/q3gdict.h> (and so does /usr/include/qt4/Qt/q3dict.h they'Re the same file) |
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| 21:03.17 | dkr | /etc/login.defs :) |
| 21:03.24 | Iridos | could it be he just fixed those libs to the stuff would compile for him? |
| 21:04.20 | Iridos | now I'd need a testing/unstable system to test if it compiles there |
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| 21:09.33 | afuentes | the Y keY stopped working... I have to press shift to use it... I rebooted the comp and changed keYboards and is still happening... anYbodY knows what is happening?? |
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| 21:12.04 | RickHull | afuentes: using graphical login? does this happen on the console without X running? |
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| 21:13.02 | afuentes | RickHull, in ttY1 Y works fine |
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| 21:19.23 | RickHull | ok, that is good. i don't have any expertise with your particular problem, just general troubleshooting :) |
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| 21:22.34 | afuentes | Yeah RickHull, thanks, now i know is an X thing... Im getting closer :) |
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| 21:26.17 | Iridos | afuentes, see what happens if you press it without shift in xev |
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| 21:28.06 | Iridos | should be like http://pastebin.com/8em29WHh |
| 21:28.20 | debiantonio | KDE 4 has notification settings for upgrades squeeze release ? |
| 21:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | afuentes: What languages/keyboard layouts have you installed/enabled? |
| 21:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | debiantonio: Yes. |
| 21:29.01 | debiantonio | ? |
| 21:29.52 | Iridos | :) |
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| 21:30.48 | debiantonio | KDE System Notifications ? |
| 21:30.55 | jhutchins_lt | !br |
| 21:30.55 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 21:32.20 | debiantonio | ? |
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| 21:32.50 | streuner_ | give us more details |
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| 21:33.45 | Iridos | der streuner |
| 21:34.24 | streuner_ | Iridos: good evening |
| 21:34.34 | Iridos | good evening to you as well |
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| 21:34.52 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 21:35.39 | streuner_ | debiantonio: we need more details |
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| 21:36.40 | wiretapped | how does nf_conntrack_ipv4 typically get loaded? I have one machine on which it isn't |
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| 21:36.58 | wiretapped | modprobing it works, but other nearly-identical boxes load it automatically |
| 21:37.36 | wiretapped | confirmed /etc/modules and modprobe.d are the same on each (no mention of conntrack) |
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| 21:37.53 | afuentes | Iridos, http://paste.debian.net/128126/ |
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| 21:38.24 | afuentes | jhutchins_lt, i have installed english alone, spain regular keboard |
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| 21:40.19 | Sw33NY_ | hi all |
| 21:41.05 | ParkerR | Hello Sw33NY_ |
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| 21:41.26 | boudiccas | wiretapped; try doing ........ sudo updatedb ..... and when its finished do ..... locate conntrack ........ and you'll see all the places that it is |
| 21:41.30 | Iridos | afuentes, that's not keypress events... there's a lot of other stuff from mouse movement that you have to ignore |
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| 21:42.11 | Sw33NY_ | i'm running on Debian Squeeze, i have created raid 1 and raid 5 +swap on my 3 disks but one has die, i have buy a new one. I would like to know how can i copy the partitions table from disk in use to my new disk ? |
| 21:43.16 | debiantonio | streuner_, upgrade with aptitude |
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| 21:43.53 | Sw33NY_ | i have try sfdisk but i have an error, it say partition 1 does not end at a cylinder boudary and sfdisk : I don't like these partitions - nothing changed. |
| 21:44.03 | afuentes | Iridos, thats what happen when i press Y keY |
| 21:44.19 | BarkingFish | Good evening :) Do debian keep an archive of old releases even though they may have gone EOL? |
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| 21:44.24 | debiantonio | streuner_, upgrade information |
| 21:44.27 | streuner_ | debiantonio: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 21:44.28 | orfix | Hi, I have only sound when reading wmv files on my debian 6.0.2 (amd64) using mplayer SVN-r31918, I installed w64codecs, but I keep getting this error messages: http://paste.debian.net/127899 any idea ? thanks. |
| 21:45.46 | Sw33NY_ | if you want to view the situation : http://paste.debian.net/128128/ |
| 21:46.17 | afuentes | Iridos, http://paste.debian.net/128129/ <--I tYped whY |
| 21:46.59 | Iridos | afuentes, that doesn't come from keypresses... compare with pressing other keys... maybe what you'Re saying is "I don't get any key events from pressing y"... but make sure you don't overlook the events |
| 21:47.16 | wiretapped | BarkingFish: http://archive.debian.net/ |
| 21:47.54 | BarkingFish | wiretapped, excellent. I need to find any release of debian which didn't have pulseaudio as its default sound server, or may have had artsd available. |
| 21:47.54 | abrotman | should be .org now |
| 21:48.10 | abrotman | why not just disable pulse? |
| 21:48.21 | Iridos | afuentes, that suggests no key-press events at all are generated by "y"... did you try shift-y? |
| 21:48.21 | abrotman | i'm on squeeze, i don't have pulse running |
| 21:48.29 | BarkingFish | abrotman, I've already been told that it's not easy. |
| 21:48.42 | abrotman | uh .. my sound works fine .. no pulse |
| 21:48.44 | afuentes | Iridos, nothing is moving, the mouse is over the xev window I press Y and those lines appear in the console :S |
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| 21:49.02 | abrotman | might have something to do with KDE .. i don't use KDE |
| 21:49.05 | BarkingFish | I'm on kubuntu and trying to find any deb packages which I could do some work with and make it so that kubuntu and ubuntu users can install without the need for the hassle pulseaudio causes |
| 21:49.47 | somiaj | BarkingFish: this isn't #kubuntu or #ubuntu |
| 21:49.48 | BarkingFish | we have alternatives for everything else, text editors, over 30 media players, and yet we can't provide a suitable alternative to a sound system which is far from sound :) |
| 21:49.53 | streuner_ | that makes sense then |
| 21:50.00 | BarkingFish | somiaj, I'm aware of that. |
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| 21:50.16 | afuentes | Iridos, this happens with shift Y --> http://paste.debian.net/128130/ |
| 21:50.18 | BarkingFish | I do recall the name of the channel mentioning debian :P |
| 21:51.03 | BarkingFish | but since .deb's are what we use too, I figure if I can hunt some down from anywhere that uses them, I can start picking things apart and working on them. |
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| 21:51.53 | ompaul | BarkingFish: you want to make a frankendebian that is your wish, apt-get or aptitude and sort it |
| 21:52.06 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 21:52.10 | Iridos | no, he wants to rebuild packages |
| 21:52.26 | BarkingFish | frankendebian... I like that. |
| 21:52.44 | debiantonio | streuner_, http://pastebin.com/2NL5BVJZ |
| 21:52.47 | somiaj | I was hoping alsa was slowly doing away with the need and/or desire for audio servers like pulse. |
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| 21:52.51 | Iridos | well, nothing in squeeze uses pulse as far as I'm aware |
| 21:52.53 | BarkingFish | imagines a vast tower of debian packages with neck bolts hooked up to a generator. |
| 21:53.00 | somiaj | I have never used pulse on debian, so its not required by default. (: |
| 21:53.25 | ompaul | audio is a dog, and not a very nice one, more like a filth hound of hades if you are up on your myths |
| 21:53.31 | Iridos | which is why it's such a huge pain to get pulse running in squeeze... |
| 21:53.33 | BarkingFish | somiaj, Unfortunately we do get it as default. If it's not got a pulse plugin, it doesn't always run. |
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| 21:54.00 | yann2 | hello! was trying out btrfs as a / partition - the installer in -testing sets up the fstab to check the / partition on boot, and it dies on btrfs.fsck not found (not surprising so far I guess)... works fine if you then manually edit the fstab to delete the fsck on boot. Is that a bug I should report (if yes, where?) or is btrfs simply too young to report bugs against? |
| 21:54.09 | BarkingFish | Anyhow, as you said, this isn't #kubuntu or #ubuntu - all I need is the packages to pick on, and I'll fmurrple the rest myself :) |
| 21:54.10 | yann2 | (or actually that'd be the installer) |
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| 21:54.45 | ompaul | yann2: I've heard all sorts of stuff about it, none of it great. |
| 21:54.54 | streuner_ | debiantonio: comment line #12 and #13 |
| 21:55.33 | Iridos | BarkingFish, you should know a lot better than us. As nothing in Debian depends (or often even works with) pulse, we have no idea what packages that should be |
| 21:55.36 | yann2 | ompaul, my bet is it'll be great one day ;) just trying out so far. The installer also doesn't want to have /boot as btrfs, although it should be supported by grub2, which is the version installed |
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| 21:55.51 | streuner_ | debiantonio: no sure about that, but just /msg dpkg squeeze to make sure.... |
| 21:56.04 | yann2 | fairly new to debian, still not sure what to report and where, if at all |
| 21:56.13 | ompaul | yann2: squeeze or sid/testing |
| 21:56.42 | streuner_ | debiantonio: but this sources.list doesnt look ok to me |
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| 21:56.55 | tables | how do you make a X program run, but not show any windows? |
| 21:57.29 | ompaul | brain explodes |
| 21:57.34 | somiaj | tables: what do you mean? You want to hide the window off the viewing area -- that could be dependent on your window manager -- but you can tell it to put the window offscreen |
| 21:58.08 | BarkingFish | Iridos, It looks like your last distro to have arts on it was Sarge, so I'm going cherrypicking :) I know what I need, but since you say nothing in debian depends on pulse, I may decide to distro switch and come here instead :) |
| 21:58.22 | BarkingFish | That would solve all my problems |
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| 22:00.42 | Iridos | afuentes, hmm, dunno. Also, I'm on a German qwertz kbd, which might not compare to yours. perhaps there's a clue in the output of xmodmap -pk |
| 22:00.47 | streuner_ | debiantonio: your sources.list should be ok, otherwise you dont have much with Debian |
| 22:00.48 | debiantonio | streuner_, thanks ! i find debian wiki |
| 22:00.59 | afuentes | Ill check that out Iridos, thanks |
| 22:01.02 | tables | somiaj, how do i put it offscreen? |
| 22:01.04 | tables | or hidden |
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| 22:02.15 | streuner_ | debiantonio: one line for squeeze and one line for security, and maybe one line for dm (debian-multidmedia) |
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| 22:02.27 | somiaj | tables: as I said, that depends on your window manager, if your using the default gnome -- I have no clue. I don't use gnome |
| 22:02.31 | Iridos | afuentes, 0x0077 (w) in mine matches your xev output, but capital Y is 0x0059 ... so probably can't tell you what y should be |
| 22:02.40 | somiaj | tables: really unless you are using fvwm I can't help you with that. |
| 22:02.45 | somiaj | tables: but others may. (: |
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| 22:03.15 | debiantonio | streuner_, only line squeeze install |
| 22:03.28 | Iridos | judd, versions arts |
| 22:03.29 | debiantonio | streuner_, with cd1 |
| 22:03.29 | judd | Package arts on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.9-2; squeeze: 1.5.9-3 |
| 22:03.52 | Iridos | BarkingFish, arts is in squeeze, but seems removed after that |
| 22:03.56 | streuner_ | debiantonio: well, you dont get any security updates then |
| 22:04.09 | Iridos | !why is arts not in testing |
| 22:04.10 | dpkg | arts is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=arts |
| 22:04.31 | BarkingFish | Ah, well I'm in heaven right now. All of sarge's packages of arts related stuff are installing here :) |
| 22:04.48 | BarkingFish | But I'll try going for squeeze if I can't fix them for my distro |
| 22:05.00 | Iridos | sarge /o\ |
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| 22:05.20 | streuner_ | debiantonio: just /msg dpkg squeeze - it should tell you about the normal line for squeeze, and forget the line for CDROM |
| 22:05.42 | debiantonio | streuner_, yes is # |
| 22:05.45 | debiantonio | cd |
| 22:05.49 | streuner_ | debiantonio: also, /msg dpkg security |
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| 22:06.20 | Iridos | remove reason: ROM; obsolete |
| 22:06.24 | Iridos | ROM? |
| 22:07.12 | ansgar | Iridos: Request Of Maintainer. |
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| 22:07.25 | Iridos | ah |
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| 22:07.32 | debiantonio | streuner_, and ...# squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
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| 22:08.12 | streuner_ | dpkg, volatile |
| 22:08.12 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze-updates>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 22:08.51 | streuner_ | (usually in most cases you just dont need volatile) |
| 22:09.01 | jhutchins_lt | alsa can emulate arts with the right plugins/modules. |
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| 22:11.19 | BarkingFish | well all of your packages have installed on here without so much as a whimper :) I'll see you guys later, and thanks for the help and the archive pointer! |
| 22:11.49 | debiantonio | streuner_, volatile is bad or old? |
| 22:12.13 | streuner_ | debiantonio: volatile is usually for virus scanner |
| 22:12.28 | debiantonio | streuner_, ok |
| 22:13.20 | streuner_ | debiantonio: volatile is usally for those package which arent able to fit into stable, but it needs to upgrade |
| 22:13.39 | debiantonio | streuner_, hummm |
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| 22:14.03 | streuner_ | if you dont need a virus scanner, just ignore it |
| 22:14.24 | debiantonio | streuner_, standalone pc my home |
| 22:14.42 | debiantonio | streuner_, comment lines 12 and 13 |
| 22:16.31 | debiantonio | streuner_, thanks :) |
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| 22:18.12 | streuner_ | no worries |
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| 22:24.32 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 22:24.35 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze-updates>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 22:24.40 | abrotman | more than just virus scanners in there |
| 22:24.56 | streuner_ | well |
| 22:25.26 | debiantonio | hummm |
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| 22:26.48 | streuner_ | abrotman: 1 or 2 lines should be enough for him |
| 22:27.03 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 22:27.03 | debiantonio | see :Please note: The debian-volatile project has been discontinued with the Debian "Squeeze" release. |
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| 22:27.21 | abrotman | debiantonio: it still exists, kind of .. it's got a different name now .. but the website gives you the right idea |
| 22:27.24 | streuner_ | yes, but look at the factoid |
| 22:27.52 | debiantonio | ???? http://www.debian.org/volatile/ factoid ? |
| 22:28.03 | streuner_ | !volatile |
| 22:28.03 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze-updates>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 22:28.30 | mah454 | why must install virus scanner on linux ? |
| 22:28.36 | streuner_ | dpkg, squeeze-updates |
| 22:28.36 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
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| 22:28.56 | streuner_ | mah454: nah |
| 22:29.01 | abrotman | mah454: mail server? you might be a file server sharing files to windows? |
| 22:29.11 | streuner_ | mah454: only, if you using windows |
| 22:29.23 | debiantonio | here not any server |
| 22:29.36 | debiantonio | or sharing |
| 22:29.40 | mah454 | straterra, abrotman : windows in file server ? |
| 22:29.56 | abrotman | mah454: a file server for windows desktops? |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | you know .. files .. on a server .. that other systems can use? |
| 22:30.08 | nebukad | hi |
| 22:30.30 | nebukad | if mount tells me bad superblock and bad fs - can i be pretty sure that the drive is bad? |
| 22:30.50 | streuner_ | your FS is fucked |
| 22:31.05 | mah454 | abrotman, ok . clamav is a power full scanner ? |
| 22:31.06 | debiantonio | 8s |
| 22:31.09 | streuner_ | nebukad: what kind of partition is that? |
| 22:31.14 | nebukad | ext3 |
| 22:31.25 | nebukad | the hdd is a couple weeks old |
| 22:31.48 | mah454 | streuner_, , clamav is a power full scanner ? |
| 22:31.58 | streuner_ | well, if you got bad superblock, you are usually create a new FS then |
| 22:32.00 | nebukad | what would be the right option for fsck to try to repair iit |
| 22:32.11 | debiantonio | streuner_, i see also --> http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html |
| 22:32.16 | streuner_ | mah454: yes, sure |
| 22:32.18 | nebukad | yes but why should it just become bad |
| 22:32.44 | streuner_ | bad superblock is always a nightmare |
| 22:33.01 | nebukad | can it come from a drive defect? |
| 22:33.14 | streuner_ | nah, just a bad FS |
| 22:33.34 | petern_ | if it's the drive you'll probably see io errors as well |
| 22:33.46 | abrotman | mah454: i've used clamav on mail servers and file servers |
| 22:33.56 | nebukad | [296755.632679] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 1953239119 |
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| 22:34.33 | streuner_ | nebukad: are you able to use smartcontrol? |
| 22:34.48 | nebukad | im not sure |
| 22:34.49 | petern_ | otoh, you can get io errors if the fs is bad too, heh |
| 22:34.50 | nebukad | what is it? |
| 22:34.51 | nebukad | :) |
| 22:35.23 | streuner_ | dpkg, smartcontrol |
| 22:35.23 | dpkg | streuner_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:35.28 | streuner_ | hm |
| 22:36.05 | nebukad | streuner_, is it some s.m.a.r.t tool? |
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| 22:36.13 | streuner_ | nebukad: smartcontrol is a way on hardware which notify what kind of things goes wrong |
| 22:36.19 | streuner_ | nebukad: yes |
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| 22:36.30 | nebukad | ok im installing |
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| 22:37.00 | nebukad | cant find pakage |
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| 22:37.08 | jhutchins_lt | nebukad: http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 22:37.13 | streuner_ | nebukad: the hardware should be able to support that, plus the software should be able to support that |
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| 22:37.42 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions smartmontools |
| 22:37.44 | judd | Package smartmontools on i386 -- lenny: 5.38-2+lenny1; lenny-backports: 5.39.1+svn3060-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.39.1+svn3124-2; sid: 5.41+svn3365-1; wheezy: 5.41+svn3365-1 |
| 22:37.55 | jhutchins_lt | nebukad: That's the package you want for smart. |
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| 22:38.58 | nebukad | ok |
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| 22:39.27 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_lt, google's finding that heat doesn't affect HD failure certainly goes against conventional wisdom (almost hard to believe) |
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| 22:40.57 | streuner_ | zykotick9: superblock failures arent usually a thing of heat, IMO |
| 22:41.46 | streuner_ | they just happen |
| 22:41.52 | zykotick9 | :) |
| 22:42.23 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys superblock |
| 22:42.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'superblock' by key (3): #debian superblock ;; superblock ;; _default superblock. |
| 22:42.27 | nebukad | ok i installed smartmontools |
| 22:42.31 | nebukad | how exactly can i use it |
| 22:42.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, superblock |
| 22:42.33 | dpkg | The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. |
| 22:42.40 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 22:42.41 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
| 22:42.44 | streuner_ | great |
| 22:43.22 | streuner_ | nebukad: well, just read its logs |
| 22:43.45 | zykotick9 | nebukad, this as a good overview/howto http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/monitoring-hard-disks-smart from one of the authors |
| 22:44.00 | nebukad | ok |
| 22:44.34 | streuner_ | nebukad: but, if you got bad superblock, forget everything then |
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| 22:45.51 | streuner_ | nebukad: smartmontools just told you, how headlty (omg) is your HD or whatever |
| 22:46.41 | streuner_ | nebukad: but if got "bad superblock" you just create the *new* FS then |
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| 22:47.13 | nebukad | streuner_, ok but im interested in the cause |
| 22:47.19 | streuner_ | sure |
| 22:47.27 | nebukad | it wont help me if i created a new fs and it happened again next week |
| 22:47.38 | streuner_ | true |
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| 22:48.52 | nebukad | ok this is what i got http://pastebin.com/u30bXgtH |
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| 22:51.29 | streuner_ | well, iam able to show you in german what that means, but there should be some eplantion in english as well |
| 22:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | nebukad: When you create an ext filesystem, the system creates multiple superblock backups. I know of no-one who ever has written them down and been able to use the backups to recover a failed filesystem. |
| 22:52.22 | nebukad | i'm german |
| 22:52.32 | streuner_ | haha |
| 22:52.48 | nebukad | jhutchins_lt, hehe okay |
| 22:52.50 | jhutchins_lt | nebukad: Since the locations are standardised, you might be able to find them - if you can find the documentation for the standard. |
| 22:53.12 | jhutchins_lt | nebukad: That might let you recover the filesystem, but pretty much reformat and reload is what most people do. |
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| 22:53.46 | nebukad | yeah ill probably reformat too in the end |
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| 22:54.02 | jhutchins_lt | nebukad: Unless you know of an "event" that caused the problem - unsafe power off, physical impact, run-away program - be very suspicious of the drive, fsck it regularly, and run smart on it. |
| 22:54.24 | nebukad | i will probably just get a new one |
| 22:54.39 | streuner_ | nebukad: http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Print-Artikel/LinuxUser/2004/10/Die-Zuverlaessigkeit-von-Festplatten-ueberwachen-mit-smartmontools |
| 22:54.41 | jhutchins_lt | If it has moving parts, it can break, and electrons are moving parts. |
| 22:54.51 | nebukad | :) |
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| 22:55.48 | nebukad | streuner_, ah sehr gut |
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| 22:56.12 | daemonkeeper | Please keep speaking English here, or move over to #debian.de |
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| 22:56.30 | nebukad | sure |
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| 22:56.35 | streuner_ | nebukad: Der Artikel war schon wesentlich besser auf linux-user, ich hab keinen blassen Schimmer warum die es veraendert haben. |
| 22:56.37 | nebukad | straterra, ah very good |
| 22:56.40 | nebukad | :D |
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| 22:57.30 | streuner_ | daemonkeeper: du verstehtst doch eh nix :-P |
| 22:57.43 | daemonkeeper | Ich tue sehr wohl. Gut nun. |
| 22:57.52 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 22:59.45 | streuner_ | damn, i have to go to Karlsruhe today, in order to fly to Roma... |
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| 23:00.08 | streuner_ | Have a good night, everyone |
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| 23:00.55 | maxd | how can I know what packages are on what iso`s? there is computer without internet access |
| 23:01.11 | streuner_ | !cd contents |
| 23:01.11 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 23:01.18 | maxd | tnx |
| 23:01.33 | nebukad | n8 streuner_ |
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| 23:05.04 | streuner_ | nebukad: you're welcome |
| 23:05.21 | derric | I'm having trouble mounting a sd card after upgrading to squeeze. fdisk indentifies the filesysetm as w95 fat32. I've tried mounting with msdos and vfat options and mount gives error utf8 not recommended for fat and codepage 437 not found. Any ideas? |
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| 23:15.51 | mark_u | is anyone here familiar with this recent apache exploit (CVE-2011-3192)? I'm wondering what the best path is for patching an etch install. debian maintainers have only created the +squeeze2 and +lenny10 packages including the fix (http://packetstormsecurity.org/files/view/104587/dsa-2298-1.txt) |
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| 23:17.42 | nebukad | mmh so a Reallocated_Sector_Ct of 42 after only 500 hours of running doesnt seem very healthy |
| 23:17.57 | Fudge | anyone know if its possible with limits.conf to specify cpu limits for processes that sometimes go to 99% |
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| 23:18.59 | htfr | hello? |
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| 23:20.49 | htfr | Could someone help me with dpkg? I installed redhatlsb 4.0 for centos to upgrade and it messed my system up |
| 23:21.05 | htfr | how do I install a deb package to another drive |
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| 23:32.01 | abrotman | again ? |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | mark_u: honestly .. why not migrate to a supported relesae? |
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| 23:32.49 | mark_u | im just a sysadmin stuck with long running production servers |
| 23:32.51 | mark_u | but you're right |
| 23:33.12 | mark_u | should take the time to upgrade to a more recent release |
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| 23:34.03 | daemonkeeper | As sysadmin you should know about the implications of an outdated system. |
| 23:34.41 | mark_u | i know -- i just got dropped into the battlefield at this place. was hoping for a temporary fix since there are other pressing problems |
| 23:34.41 | daemonkeeper | Good thing is, you probably shouldn't care about the Apache DoS, you may have more severe problems. |
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| 23:38.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:38.59 | abrotman | mark_u: do you have a better description of the issue? |
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| 23:40.14 | abrotman | mark_u: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-announce/201108.mbox/<20110824161640.122D387DD@minotaur.apache.org> .. yay research! |
| 23:40.17 | mark_u | apache released a patch in 2.2.20. debian maintainers i assume took what was useful from that and put it into an updated package for squeeze and lenny, but not etch. apt-get upgrade fixes the DoS on lenny/squeeze only. see http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Aug/362 |
| 23:41.08 | mark_u | what? i already referred that info. the page you pasted is mitigation |
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| 23:42.08 | mark_u | forget it im just going to run a custom compile until we upgrade releases |
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| 23:57.09 | hotwings | hi fellas.. im trying to get a core dump from an app that keeps freezing for me. of the last 10+ tries ive only got it to work once. i do have "CONFIG_CORE_DUMP_DEFAULT_ELF_HEADERS=y" in my kerne l config. im doing 'ulimit -c unlimited' and then running the app from the same shell. any ideas? maybe the kernel needs something else enabled or? |
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