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| 00:07.35 | maxjezy | hello |
| 00:07.36 | maxjezy | Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 00:07.37 | maxjezy | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, |
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| 00:07.59 | maxjezy | i got that when mounting a usbstorage |
| 00:08.03 | maxjezy | any ideas? |
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| 00:29.04 | superlinux | hi all. I need some one in the US just to tell me how this number is formatted? (408)745-5680. i want to send a fax |
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| 00:29.25 | superlinux | i am sending using free online fax |
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| 00:30.35 | jetscreamer | you would dial 14087455680 i believe |
| 00:30.47 | mr_crowley | hi ... im trying to find some guides for instal gnome3 in debian... without any success get... can anyone suggest me something |
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| 00:31.51 | jetscreamer | well you left out which version of debian, i hear tell it 'just won't work in squeeze' without updating some of the core apps, but i have no idea.. and heard just a few portions are in sid now |
| 00:31.57 | jetscreamer | once again, no idea |
| 00:32.18 | mr_crowley | damn! |
| 00:33.10 | mr_crowley | im on squeeze.... i gonna keep searching... if i find it out... i will try to make a guide of it..... there is no much info about it |
| 00:34.08 | jetscreamer | try #gnome |
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| 00:34.14 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 00:34.19 | mr_crowley | thx |
| 00:34.34 | jetscreamer | oh they have thier own irc server i think |
| 00:36.54 | zykotick9 | mr_crowley, squeeze isn't going to be able to run Gnome3 period. My attempt the other day to even get it running in sid failed miserably, hope you have better luck. |
| 00:38.39 | mr_crowley | it seems to be that way.... i've been traying for quite a while actually |
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| 00:40.13 | zykotick9 | mr_crowley, it seems there has been some improvements in the status page http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
| 00:40.46 | derric | I'm having trouble mounting an sdcard. |
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| 00:42.19 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.40 | dvs | Ozzy called him |
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| 00:43.31 | jetscreamer | gui or console comes to mind, derric, and what the errror is, your command line, all in a nice neat past package on a paster |
| 00:43.43 | jetscreamer | but i live in a dreamworld |
| 00:44.10 | zykotick9 | jetscreamer, you just made me laugh - thanks |
| 00:44.33 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:45.35 | jetscreamer | oh fstab line if any |
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| 00:47.29 | derric | jetscreamer: First I tried gui then tried console. fdisk identifies the card as W95 FAT32. |
| 00:48.27 | derric | jetscreamer: I tried using msdos and vfat as fs types, and mount says utf8 not recommended for fat, and cp473 not found. |
| 00:48.29 | jhutchins_lt | Good grief, Gnome3 isn't even finished yet, let alone in Debian. Who could have written a guide, a time traveller? |
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| 00:49.30 | derric | jetscreamer I could pastbin dmesg. The errs are toward the end. |
| 00:50.46 | derric | jetscreamer: Originally there was an absence of any fstab entry for the usb card reader. Then I added one. Still refuses to mount. I'll pastbin fstab and dmesg. |
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| 00:52.18 | derric | jetscreamer: http://pastebin.com/MmsJubAt |
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| 00:53.02 | derric | jetscreamer: fstab: http://pastebin.com/c8QEwk8j |
| 00:54.31 | zykotick9 | "filesystem will be case sensitive" i can see why that would be an issue for MS... hehe |
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| 00:55.00 | reklipz | anyone know of a channel where I can get help diagnosing PC hardware? |
| 00:55.01 | derric | jetscreamer: I just upgraded to Squeeze. This use to work fine before with Lenny. I would plug in the reader and get a popup asking if I wanted to open the disk. Now I get a notification, alhough the file manager just opens my home folder rather than the card. |
| 00:55.48 | zykotick9 | reklipz, ##hardware perhaps |
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| 00:56.07 | reklipz | zykotick9: perfect, thank you. |
| 00:56.53 | derric | zykotick9: What is the default character set for fat? |
| 00:57.16 | zykotick9 | derric, no idea - i don't touch MS stuff. Good luck. |
| 00:58.00 | derric | jetscreamer: I have msdos and vfat as loadable modules in the kernel. |
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| 01:08.51 | Xgamerz | !chmod |
| 01:08.51 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <permissions>. |
| 01:09.14 | dvs | heh |
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| 01:19.22 | bla | Debian www server with multiple users having NameVhosted sites in PHP. Users must not interfere with each other. How do you do it? I currently have suphp (slow), and sites in ~/public_html (not neat) |
| 01:20.28 | bla | I thought about either creating a vserver per www; or on a single one putting sites into /home/www/<site>/htdocs, let users access it with some link in home, and try to use fastcgi? |
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| 01:54.24 | NekawA | i just noticed the shutdown command is not turning off pc. its sitting at root prompt. reboot does work. anyone had this issue? |
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| 01:55.52 | Xgamerz | !mysql |
| 01:55.52 | dpkg | MySQL is a fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It is the world's most popular open source database. To install, ask me about <install mysql>. http://wiki.debian.org/MySql http://mysql.com/ #mysql on irc.freenode.net, #debian-mysql on irc.oftc.net. See also <mysql squeeze>, <mysql checking>, <mysql memory usage>. |
| 01:56.29 | zykotick9 | NekawA, I had a "similar" issue, did you happen to install from the Debian Live CD? Do you know, do you get the computers BIOS screen during reboot? |
| 01:56.48 | NekawA | no bios on reboot.. |
| 01:57.04 | NekawA | ..installed wheezy netinstall |
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| 01:57.35 | wolfpython | NekawA: wheezy has this problem , wait longer time |
| 01:57.47 | NekawA | its gotta be something with inittab no? |
| 01:58.11 | NekawA | z6:6:respawn:sulogin |
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| 01:58.36 | NekawA | ^^ is whats creating the shell right? |
| 01:59.04 | NekawA | oh..so theres no fix yet huh wolfpython |
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| 02:00.12 | wolfpython | NekawA: I think so , maybe it's a bug of source code , and should be fixed lately |
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| 02:06.34 | un214 | /sbin/agetty -l /bin/sh 57600 tty1 |
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| 02:08.04 | Xgamerz | how launch mysql client in debian |
| 02:09.35 | NekawA | interesting..also my tty1 goes black after X has been started on tty7 |
| 02:10.25 | NekawA | as well as 2-6 for that matter |
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| 02:13.56 | RafaFuturo | Hi all |
| 02:14.09 | derric | My usb sdcard reader doesn't work! |
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| 02:16.31 | NekawA | does it show up in lspci? |
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| 02:19.46 | jetscreamer | nouveau driver maybe |
| 02:19.50 | jetscreamer | !nouveau |
| 02:19.50 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> is in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33 and included in linux-2.6 since 2.6.32-10. The nouveau display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian file for important notes. For 3D support on Debian systems, use the proprietary "nvidia" driver, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 02:21.13 | NekawA | hmmm |
| 02:21.35 | NekawA | jetscreamer: I think it might have worked with nouveau but the video stunk on nouveau so i installed the nvidia drivers as its an ion2 gpu |
| 02:21.39 | jetscreamer | i had unreadable fonts tough |
| 02:21.53 | jetscreamer | though |
| 02:21.54 | NekawA | nouv worked ok for me, just any FMV was unwatchable |
| 02:22.03 | NekawA | but nvidia disabled it when it installed |
| 02:22.12 | NekawA | now if I disable gdm3 I do have a prompt on tty1-6 |
| 02:22.30 | NekawA | but as soon as gdm3 starts, 1-6 disappear, and when I tried to do /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop it did not come back |
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| 02:22.45 | NekawA | actually, come to think of it, the nvidia driver said to quit X, and when I quit X I had no tty with nouveau either :( |
| 02:22.56 | jetscreamer | if you don't care, you could install gdm instead of gdm3 |
| 02:23.10 | jetscreamer | well alongside |
| 02:23.14 | NekawA | dunno how good the downgrade would go |
| 02:23.16 | jetscreamer | you can have a lot of em |
| 02:23.21 | NekawA | gdm was not in wheezy repo |
| 02:23.30 | NekawA | had to search to find gdm3 I didn't realize it'd be upgradede |
| 02:23.31 | jetscreamer | kdm, *dm |
| 02:23.34 | NekawA | and skipped #2 |
| 02:24.12 | jetscreamer | no idea though, just didn't like gdm3 so i downgraded |
| 02:24.22 | jetscreamer | not sure how to fix it |
| 02:24.35 | NekawA | i've only tried gdm to be honest |
| 02:24.37 | NekawA | and now gdm3 |
| 02:24.48 | NekawA | i don't notice much of a difference, but i don't like the gdm3 login screen to much |
| 02:24.57 | hotwings | nvidia driver works great here. never bothered with nouveau since it doesnt support vdpau |
| 02:25.02 | NekawA | seems to be missing alot of the options for recovery that gdm screen had |
| 02:25.18 | jetscreamer | just installing kdm and using it 'instead' of gdm should be perfectly fine if it doesn't matter though, all i know |
| 02:25.18 | NekawA | thats why i switched hotwings system came with nouv and i upgraded to nvidia but regardless i think jet is right |
| 02:25.28 | NekawA | i think its gdm3 problem |
| 02:25.40 | NekawA | kk i'm gonna try xdm |
| 02:25.41 | jetscreamer | well you could check out the config |
| 02:25.47 | jetscreamer | ooo yuck |
| 02:25.52 | NekawA | why is that bad? |
| 02:25.58 | jetscreamer | well for me it would be |
| 02:26.06 | NekawA | y |
| 02:26.07 | jetscreamer | it has it's own language iirc |
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| 02:26.39 | jetscreamer | and changing default kde or gnome or whatever i never bothered to figure out.. havent looked at it in a while though |
| 02:27.12 | jetscreamer | but if you just log into one thing all the time it is perfectly fine |
| 02:27.15 | simonlnu | reads .xsession |
| 02:27.20 | Arch1mede | anyone know how to fix dpkg-maintscript-helper: not found? |
| 02:27.21 | jetscreamer | hey simon |
| 02:27.27 | simonlnu | hey dude |
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| 02:33.29 | derric | !doesn't work |
| 02:33.29 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 02:33.41 | NekawA | same thing in xdm jetscreamer |
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| 02:33.58 | NekawA | once X is started tty1-6 have nothing on it, the monitor shuts off, like its not even a blank screen on tty1 |
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| 02:34.22 | derric | How do I add a code page to squeeze? |
| 02:34.37 | derric | Or a iocharset for that matter? |
| 02:34.59 | dvs | derric: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:35.01 | jetscreamer | you would dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 to revert, NekawA |
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| 02:35.26 | jetscreamer | or just uninstall xdm |
| 02:35.55 | zykotick9 | NekawA, do you happen to have a VGA= configured in your grub? I remember nvidia breaking my VTs when I had incorrectly configured grub. |
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| 02:36.14 | RafaFuturo | Get compiz |
| 02:36.37 | derric | dvs: I think locales are something else. This is a codepage for msdos cp473. I found some old posts about using ipkg to load code pages although squeeze lacks that package |
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| 02:37.42 | derric | jetscreamer: I'm still trying to get my usb card reader to work. |
| 02:38.10 | NekawA | i already did jetscreamer |
| 02:38.13 | NekawA | zykotick9: no |
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| 02:38.33 | NekawA | set gfxmode=1024x768 |
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| 02:39.10 | derric | al I can get out of it is: athena:/home/derric/linux# mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 02:39.13 | derric | [34616.389849] FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
| 02:39.16 | derric | [34616.394891] FAT: codepage cp437 not found |
| 02:39.25 | derric | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
| 02:39.44 | derric | Oh well, I guess I scared jetscreamer off again... |
| 02:41.14 | un214 | it sounds like NekawA tried to mix an X that uses KMS with vgaconsole |
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| 02:41.26 | un214 | if so, enable fbcon |
| 02:42.04 | simonlnu | cxn. reset by peer |
| 02:42.06 | n0sq | why isn't there a barrybackup for sqeeze? |
| 02:42.09 | NekawA | that went a little above my head there un214 |
| 02:42.26 | NekawA | I don't believe I mixed anything intentionally, I installed wheezy from netinstall, then Xen hypervisor/kernel |
| 02:42.47 | simonlnu | derric: modprobe cp437 |
| 02:43.02 | simonlnu | try again |
| 02:43.30 | simonlnu | might want to install something like usbmount |
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| 02:47.32 | Arch1mede | anyone know how to fix dpkg-maintscript-helper: not found? |
| 02:47.33 | OldParr | i have a debian 6.0.0 netinst cd-rom , can i install squeeze with that cd or do i have to download the squeeze (6.0.2) ? |
| 02:48.19 | dvs | OldParr: that cd is fine |
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| 02:49.33 | OldParr | dvs: do i need to upgrade after installing 6.0.0 or just an update? |
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| 02:49.53 | dvs | OldParr: just an update |
| 02:51.21 | somiaj | OldParr: you need to update and upgrade -- i.e. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (thought he update might happen durning the install process if you use the internet) |
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| 02:52.05 | derric | simonlnu: I'm wondering if cp473 is in reference to something the system is supposed to have or something the the file system on the card is suppose to have. I ran modeprobe cp437 and got: FATAL module cp437 not found. |
| 02:52.17 | OldParr | somiaj: i do not want to upgrade |
| 02:52.37 | somiaj | OldParr: yes you do, you want to upgrade from 6.0.0 to 6.0.2 plus all the new security patches since then. |
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| 02:52.56 | somiaj | you don't want to dist-upgrade -- but that requires changing your sources first. |
| 02:53.28 | somiaj | again I'm using the words update and upgrade to mean what they do when you call apt-get or aptitude |
| 02:53.28 | OldParr | somiaj: i prefer to download 6.0.2 |
| 02:53.35 | derric | simonlnu: Anyway, cp437 is a codepage rather then a kernel module. |
| 02:53.42 | somiaj | why? nothing wrong with using the 6.0.0 installers. |
| 02:53.49 | Bop | derric, derric i believe the module you want is nls_cp437 |
| 02:54.06 | somiaj | OldParr: you will want to upgrade once you isntall 6.0.2 as well to get all the security fixes |
| 02:54.27 | koshieFinalReliz | Hi |
| 02:54.31 | derric | Bop: What part of the kernel config is that around? |
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| 02:54.45 | un214 | menuconfig? |
| 02:54.56 | Bop | derric, kernel/fs/nls/ |
| 02:55.02 | koshieFinalReliz | It is insane to install gcc from backport ? I need 4.5 or more recent and squeeze have 4.4 |
| 02:55.15 | koshieFinalReliz | It's for a parameter of grsecurity |
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| 02:55.33 | un214 | uhh |
| 02:55.33 | koshieFinalReliz | who need gcc 4.5 to completly work |
| 02:55.42 | un214 | I'd careful of that one |
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| 02:55.54 | derric | Bop: Found it! Native language support section. |
| 02:55.58 | koshieFinalReliz | s/who/which/ |
| 02:56.04 | koshieFinalReliz | un214, I'm asking about that. |
| 02:56.14 | Bop | derric, ok |
| 02:56.14 | koshieFinalReliz | But maybe that be just for compile my kernel. |
| 02:56.22 | OldParr | somiaj: if i install 6.0.2 i thought i just needed to updating, upgrading is more difficult, i thought you need to upgrade only when you have installed a different version |
| 02:56.26 | koshieFinalReliz | After I can remove it and install the «older» gcc |
| 02:56.39 | un214 | for C only it's probably safe |
| 02:56.41 | koshieFinalReliz | un214, just to active an option for the kernel ^^ |
| 02:56.50 | un214 | it's breaking the C++ ABI I'd be worried about |
| 02:56.55 | koshieFinalReliz | Hm... |
| 02:56.56 | somiaj | koshieFinalReliz: shouldn't be (provided there is a backport), You just won't have security fixes for the backport or any package you make with it |
| 02:57.31 | somiaj | OldParr: apt-get update -- all this does is update your knowledge of what packages are in your repo (i.e. it is what gives your install the knowledge of the security fixes from security.debian.org) |
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| 02:57.59 | somiaj | OldParr: apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) will download the newest version of the packages (i.e. the security fixes) and install them on your computer -- you want to do this |
| 02:58.17 | koshieFinalReliz | somiaj, If I compile something with a gcc from backport I will have some trouble ? |
| 02:58.23 | derric | Bop: Now I have to figure out how to build and install just one module :) |
| 02:58.39 | Bop | derric, beats me , never done |
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| 02:58.46 | koshieFinalReliz | I will not active this parameters, not a big stuff. |
| 02:58.46 | somiaj | OldParr: what you don't want to do is to change your sources.list file to include a different version of debian -- upgrades within a stable is fine. Its the upgrades from oldstable -> current stable (or to testing or sid) that can cause strange issues |
| 02:58.49 | koshieFinalReliz | Thanks people. |
| 02:59.25 | somiaj | koshieFinalReliz: most likely no, but you will not have the debian security team fixing any bugs that are found and the gcc could (though also unlikely) cause strange bugs that don't get mentioned on the DSA |
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| 02:59.50 | NekawA | wonders if he'll ever see his friend tty again |
| 03:00.08 | koshieFinalReliz | somiaj, and if I'm using it just for compile the kernel and remove gcc 4.6 after ? ^^ |
| 03:00.28 | koshieFinalReliz | And Install gcc from squeeze repo, the «good» version |
| 03:00.33 | koshieFinalReliz | s/version/release/ |
| 03:00.33 | somiaj | koshieFinalReliz: you could keep it there, gcc 4.6 can live with gcc 4.4 (and you can just set 4.4 as your default) |
| 03:00.45 | OldParr | does 6.0.0 is called squeeze too? |
| 03:00.51 | koshieFinalReliz | ok, thanks |
| 03:00.58 | somiaj | koshieFinalReliz: the kernel will jsut be the only package you are taking security fixing for. So keep an eye on the lkml and dsa |
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| 03:01.43 | somiaj | OldParr: yes all 6.0.2 is a small release in which all the security/bug fixes since the first release are apart of. As soon as you get on the net you can upgrade to the most current squeeze packages from either 6.0.0 or 6.0.2 |
| 03:02.09 | somiaj | OldParr: 6.0 is squeeze, the subversion just says things do get fixed |
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| 03:14.05 | un214 | ////////////////////////////////////////////////////// really well commented |
| 03:14.09 | Arch1mede | anyone know how to fix dpkg-maintscript-helper: not found? For what ever reason the fs got corrupted and now i have a bunch of things that wont start any more, ntpd being one of them its looking for libopts.so.25 |
| 03:14.26 | un214 | get an install cd |
| 03:15.17 | un214 | find the package that contains dpkg-maintscript-helper and unpack that package over your system |
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| 03:16.32 | somiaj | Arch1mede: you may have other things missing, a reinstall over a fresh file system could be nice..also figure out what corrupted your system, was it hardware? |
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| 03:17.49 | Arch1mede | somiaj: you know to be honest im not quit sure......this is debian squeeze on an dockstar..arm device and i have a 16 gig flash drive running....we shutdown properly each time so i donno what happened...just one day i powered it off and then fsck failed |
| 03:18.24 | Arch1mede | i uninstalled ntpd and resinstalled but still the same error |
| 03:18.29 | somiaj | I'd check yourhardware make sure its not going flacky (so more stuff gets corrupted) and a reinstall is usually a nice way to ensure you don't have anything else disapearing |
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| 03:18.47 | somiaj | Arch1mede: dpkg -S <file name> to see what package has the file you need |
| 03:19.03 | Catprog | can anyone help me activate eth0 in kdm ? it says error changing device state, You will have to do it manualy |
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| 03:19.49 | somiaj | what does kdm have to do with activating eth0? |
| 03:20.28 | Arch1mede | and i see libopts.so.25 in /usr/lib but where its looking after a strace was in /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnuaebi |
| 03:21.56 | simonlnu | un214: cute :) |
| 03:22.32 | Catprog | in control center> network interfaces |
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| 03:23.49 | somiaj | Catprog: that isn't kdm anymore -- kdm is just the login screen, and assuming you loged into kde destop enviorment? |
| 03:24.03 | Catprog | nods |
| 03:24.41 | somiaj | Catprog: yea I always do it manually -- not sure what its doing, but do you have your device mentioned in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 03:25.31 | oh_noes | is it possible to set a DISPLAY to essentially /dev/null? I want to start an X App, then kill it in a script but I don't want it to appear anywhere. |
| 03:25.46 | Catprog | somiaj: Yes |
| 03:28.38 | somiaj | Catprog: paste that file in a pastbin please |
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| 03:29.06 | somiaj | oh_noes: Maybe describe what it is you really want to do, seems like an odd thing to want |
| 03:29.29 | somiaj | oh_noes: but I told someone this today, you might be able to configure your window manager to do fancy things, like put it on a desktop you don't see, or start it minimized (or iconified) |
| 03:29.44 | oh_noes | It's odd because I'm trying to gain some performance metrics around my program (X) |
| 03:30.01 | oh_noes | however my program is X11 based and I need to launch it against something. Somethign which doesn't tie with a headless display and cron |
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| 03:30.21 | nevyn | oh_noes: xvnc ? |
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| 03:31.55 | Catprog | never mind. turns out it was in allow-hotplug and auto but not iface |
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| 03:33.35 | un214 | nevyn, oh_noes: correct |
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| 03:45.33 | hotwings | hi fellas.. im trying to get a core dump from an app that keeps freezing for me. of the last 10+ tries ive only got it to work once. i do have "CONFIG_CORE_DUMP_DEFAULT_ELF_HEADERS=y" in my kerne l config. im doing 'ulimit -c unlimited' and then running the app from the same shell. any ideas? maybe the kernel needs something else enabled or? |
| 03:51.16 | zykotick9 | Does anyone happen to know an identi.ca client in the Debian repo that can filter out tags/groups? I'm sick of seeing !ubuntu stuff. |
| 03:52.00 | Rusty1 | dunno hotwings , would strace suffice ? |
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| 04:17.40 | ksx4system | why isn't it possible to change phpmyadmin default theme? nobody's at #phpmyadmin so i'm asking here (it's on squeeze box and it's from Debian officia; repositories) |
| 04:17.45 | ksx4system | official * |
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| 04:22.16 | somiaj | well why don't you think its possible -- I dont use phpmyadmin, but where are you supose to put theme files/dirs, I don't see why its not possible, I think you just may be doing it wrong |
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| 06:07.51 | samson | Hello |
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| 06:09.23 | samson | Excuse me what is debian squeeze |
| 06:09.34 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | samson: the latest version Debian 6.0 |
| 06:09.43 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | squeeze is the codename |
| 06:09.47 | gnarface | !squeeze |
| 06:09.47 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.2>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 06:10.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Can anyone provide me good study materials for Debian Training? I want to help my local institute to startup a training on Debian.. |
| 06:10.18 | samson | ok thank you |
| 06:10.53 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: debian comes packaged with all the docs you're likely to need, but there's an installation manual that might be a good place to start |
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| 06:11.18 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: also this site is pretty handy: http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 06:11.49 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gnarface: ok thanks. I am already using the curriculum as mentioned in the canonical certification. But i need the study material of Debian . |
| 06:11.52 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual here is the installation guide |
| 06:12.28 | thogar | like how to get the "feel" of it sh4d3sl4y3r_? |
| 06:12.43 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: oreilly had a great book back in the day but i'm not sure if they've published a current edition recently |
| 06:13.04 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gnarface: i wil see to it.. upto date versions wont matter much |
| 06:13.24 | thogar | what about a debian bible lol |
| 06:13.28 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the training will be based on the Debian Administration, Servering, Partitionaing, Using the CLI etc |
| 06:13.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | sort of like the RED HAT RHCE curriculum |
| 06:13.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | but with Debian |
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| 06:14.52 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781565927056 and http://oreilly.com/catalog/9781593270698 would be great if they weren't ancient.... |
| 06:15.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gnarface: thanks for the help. i guess that would do as a startup |
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| 06:24.41 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: maybe check on oreilly's safari bookshelf? maybe they've got an updated one that's only available in electronic form. i'm just guessing though |
| 06:25.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | will do. tell me onething. like red hat uses its own set of configuration tools and files. Does Debian follow vanilla ? |
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| 06:25.47 | ronny | hi |
| 06:25.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ronny: hello |
| 06:26.14 | ronny | i got a single pinned package (libvte-common) and i cant figure where it was pined |
| 06:26.49 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: no debian also has its own set of configuration tools and files, like redhat's but better. additionally, debian has the redhat ones available as well. |
| 06:27.09 | ronny | its not in the preferences files in /etc/apt/ |
| 06:27.28 | gnarface | ronny: check in the files in the *.d subdirectories of /etc/apt |
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| 06:27.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | gnarface: so i guess it would be a whole new training. the red hat certification wont help much |
| 06:27.56 | gnarface | sh4d3sl4y3r_: no in fact i would consider it harmful |
| 06:28.12 | ronny | gnarface: not there as well |
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| 06:29.35 | gnarface | sorry, ronny that was my only idea |
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| 06:35.24 | jmarsden | ronny: does grep -ril libvte /etc output any possible files to look at? |
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| 06:40.57 | FDFlock | OK, here's something totally idiotic (Squeeze, Gnome 2.x): The printing configuration dialog wants to know my root password! |
| 06:41.00 | FDFlock | No matter that the root password is totally disabled... What an inconvenience. And why would it need the root password anyway? Aren't root priviledges (sudo, gksu) enough? |
| 06:41.03 | FDFlock | Seriously, what's wrong wit Gnome these days! Have they gone totally braindead? |
| 06:41.12 | FDFlock | apologises for the ranting... |
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| 06:45.06 | ronny | jmarsden: nop |
| 06:45.27 | jmarsden | ronny: OK, how do you know it is pinned? |
| 06:45.52 | ronny | jmarsden: synaptic tells it is pinned, not where it is pinned |
| 06:46.06 | gnarface | oh |
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| 06:46.19 | gnarface | ronny: can't synaptic unpin it for you? right click or something ? |
| 06:46.54 | ronny | gnarface: nop |
| 06:47.12 | ronny | oh |
| 06:47.18 | ronny | there is a lock version entry |
| 06:47.28 | ronny | (in the package menu |
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| 06:48.28 | ronny | i still would lke to know where the hell the pinning data was |
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| 06:48.50 | jmarsden | Sounds like this not a normal apt pin, but some synaptic specific thing? Strange. You could read the synaptic code to find out. |
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| 06:49.37 | f00li5h | what's the best choice for scriptable firewall whatnot? |
| 06:49.56 | f00li5h | i'm running a dom0 as my firewall, and I want to be able to easily forward ports to the virtual machines |
| 06:49.58 | jmarsden | ronny: Maybe in /var/lib/synaptic ?? |
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| 07:00.19 | madbro | i downloaded and setup the tomcat6 app server from the web, not the repositories. I have a suggested script that according to a guide i can use to start/stop tomcat with /etc/init.d/. I still do not know what to do with it. |
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| 07:00.48 | madbro | does this script has anything to do with the startup of tomcat at boot time, and shutdown at halt time? |
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| 07:09.28 | no_gravity | Hello Debian! In this day and age, whats the right way to tell Apache not to start on startup? I used to do it like this: "rm -v /etc/rc*.d/*apache*" but the startup scripts get recreated by updates. |
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| 07:10.13 | bosyak | hi all. Is there any nice utility for HDD monitoring. Like htop? |
| 07:11.08 | no_gravity | bosyak: monitoring how much is written to disk? or who writes to disk or what? |
| 07:12.24 | bosyak | no_gravity: yes... perfomance (read\write) |
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| 07:13.26 | niklaswe | no_gravity: update-rc.d disable apache2 ? |
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| 07:14.53 | bosyak | no_gravity: my DB are slow. I want to find bottelneck |
| 07:15.27 | ayambit | How can I determine with eth device corresponds to which entry in lspci? |
| 07:15.36 | ayambit | *which |
| 07:15.50 | no_gravity | bosyak: with "vmstat 1" you can see if swapping is going on. |
| 07:15.53 | ayambit | Not all eth devices are listed in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 07:17.20 | no_gravity | niklaswe: ok. that does almost the same thing as my rm command. but it renames the scripts. so maybe ubuntu will see the renamed scripts and not recreate them. |
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| 07:21.12 | no_gravity | bosyak: im not sure if "disable" or "remove" is the right command |
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| 07:21.26 | stix | Hi guys. Where can I find older releases of debian? |
| 07:21.39 | Black_Prince | stix, http://archive.debian.org |
| 07:21.47 | stix | thanks |
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| 07:23.35 | stix | any iso's there? |
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| 07:33.36 | Innocentus | hi |
| 07:33.55 | Innocentus | hurray, my provider just provided KVM |
| 07:34.10 | Innocentus | now I can install my own kernel - and debian 6 (squeeze) of course |
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| 07:34.46 | Innocentus | What I would like to know now would be if there is a kernel specially for Webservers (based on Debian 6) |
| 07:34.53 | SparFux | Hi all. Isn't there a web plugin for mozilla for openjdk7 ? |
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| 07:41.30 | linux-fox | hi,all |
| 07:41.35 | SparFux | hi |
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| 07:50.43 | amoe | Innocentus: there's no server-specific kernel AFAIK |
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| 07:51.16 | Innocentus | amoe: but would be a cool idea, wouldn't be? :) |
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| 07:51.56 | amoe | Innocentus: the kernel code is probably already as optimal as it can be for that |
| 07:52.17 | amoe | given that's probably one of linux's largest use cases |
| 07:52.28 | Innocentus | yes, you are right |
| 07:52.45 | Innocentus | so the standard kernel from the repository would be the best then? |
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| 07:54.00 | jelly-home | !best |
| 07:54.00 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 07:54.08 | amoe | yes. or you could compile your own, if you really wanted to. |
| 07:54.37 | amoe | however I would say you're unlikely to achieve a significant performance increase in web serving from doing that. |
| 07:56.31 | petern_ | you might get better performance on a desktop by compiling a kernel |
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| 08:04.43 | AlexC_ | good morning |
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| 08:05.20 | AlexC_ | I have an issue with 'screen' that when ever I lock it (^x) it asks for my password (expected) however no matter what password I enter, it will not unlock. Any ideas? |
| 08:05.45 | Arafangion | AlexC_: Death is a good answer. Try killing it. :) |
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| 08:06.28 | AlexC_ | Arafangion: unplugging my computer would also fix it, however I want to resolve it ;) |
| 08:07.02 | Arafangion | AlexC_: Works as expected here. |
| 08:07.19 | dutchfish | AlexC_, have you checked num-lock status, i had that once or twice myself, that num-locl messed it up if using num digits in the password |
| 08:07.23 | Arafangion | I had to provide the password corresponding to the user who locked it in order to access it. |
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| 08:07.55 | AlexC_ | Arafangion: indeed, it works fine on Fedora as well ... just fails when I'm connecting to my VPS where I run screen (debian) |
| 08:08.28 | Arafangion | AlexC_: The terminal might well be corrupt. Try closing it and reattaching it. Interestingly, that bypasses the password here. |
| 08:08.33 | dutchfish | AlexC_, wrong locales might be another one |
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| 08:09.54 | AlexC_ | ok, I'll give these a go. Thanks |
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| 08:09.58 | nsadmin | when you connect to your vps, do you use a password? |
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| 08:10.57 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: no, SSH keys. However I have enabled password auth and tried that way |
| 08:11.02 | Arafangion | AlexC_: The new kid on teh block is 'tmux', but I still use screen. |
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| 08:11.35 | AlexC_ | Arafangion: yeah I'm aware of it, but right now I CBA to learn yet more key combinations ... even if I can change the default |
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| 08:11.45 | nsadmin | AlexC_, so when you ssh in, specify you want to use the password, what happens? |
| 08:12.01 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: same issue |
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| 08:12.14 | Arafangion | AlexC_: Likewise. |
| 08:12.20 | nsadmin | not an answer to the question |
| 08:12.42 | nsadmin | what happens? |
| 08:12.51 | AlexC_ | nsadmin: well I can only state the obvious: it logs in |
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| 08:13.04 | AlexC_ | then I start screen, lock it, and try to u |
| 08:13.14 | AlexC_ | eh, fail enter. Try to unlock, then same issue |
| 08:13.16 | nsadmin | why lock it? |
| 08:13.23 | AlexC_ | because I want to? |
| 08:13.43 | nsadmin | and it's not working at the moment... so, what has you struggling here? |
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| 08:14.00 | AlexC_ | the fact that I can't unlock it |
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| 08:28.30 | petern_ | urgh, tint2 leaks memory :( |
| 08:28.40 | petern_ | 494MB for a lightweight panel... |
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| 08:29.47 | NekawA | doesnt sound to light |
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| 08:29.53 | qrq | Hi |
| 08:30.03 | qrq | I need standalone package of flashplayer |
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| 08:31.19 | daemonkeeper | qrq: Standalone as in "not something which downloads the actual plugin from the Internet"? |
| 08:31.33 | qrq | Yes |
| 08:32.07 | daemonkeeper | That's not possible due to licensing issues. Maybe dmm has one |
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| 08:32.19 | Arafangion | The source code looks quite simplistic and there's not a lot of code that obviously handles cleanup. |
| 08:32.26 | Arafangion | Although they do have a cleanup function defined. |
| 08:32.45 | qrq | I know that ehm ubuntu got something like this in additional repository |
| 08:33.08 | daemonkeeper | Probably dmm has as well, but I don't know for sure. |
| 08:33.21 | qrq | There is also multipedia debian repo |
| 08:33.25 | qrq | I will check there |
| 08:33.37 | daemonkeeper | That _is_ dmm |
| 08:33.55 | qrq | Ok :) |
| 08:33.55 | daemonkeeper | (Note, DMM is completely unsupported by Debian) |
| 08:34.08 | qrq | I know |
| 08:34.53 | nsadmin | Nnot possible" is not correct, "debian doesn't want to do it" is |
| 08:35.08 | qrq | But I dont like packages that are in fact installers :D |
| 08:35.22 | nsadmin | are there other packages? |
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| 08:36.17 | qrq | I found |
| 08:36.18 | qrq | flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 08:36.21 | qrq | 12 mb |
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| 08:37.24 | prem | hi all |
| 08:37.54 | qrq | I think there should not be packages like this |
| 08:37.56 | qrq | I mean |
| 08:37.59 | qrq | Installers |
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| 08:38.38 | NekawA | oh |
| 08:38.41 | NekawA | theres flashplugin-nonree |
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| 08:38.42 | NekawA | nonfree |
| 08:38.47 | daemonkeeper | nsadmin: Its not possible due to licensing issues, its not about that what Debian wants or not, but about the license which does not allow redistribution |
| 08:38.55 | NekawA | oh n/m u said standalone |
| 08:39.26 | qrq | I mean there should be not installer-packages |
| 08:39.33 | qrq | In official repo :D |
| 08:39.36 | prem | how to copy a file created using gedit along with its bookmarks? |
| 08:39.40 | Arafangion | qrq: flash is in the official repo? |
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| 08:40.03 | qrq | arafangion flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:40.28 | Arafangion | qrq: That's part and parcel of non-free. |
| 08:40.39 | qrq | Sorry then :) |
| 08:41.05 | daemonkeeper | Arafangion: Its not. We have an installer in contrib which fetches the actual plugin from adobe.com |
| 08:41.44 | Arafangion | I meant mroe that non-free software have obscure requirements, which simply have to be met however they dictate it. |
| 08:41.58 | Arafangion | If that requires an installer, well, tough, that's how it is. |
| 08:42.10 | qrq | Installer thing is bad :D |
| 08:42.32 | qrq | Because as name suggest , package dont install application |
| 08:42.33 | Arafangion | Agreed. |
| 08:42.43 | qrq | But install installer :D |
| 08:43.12 | qrq | Imagine all packages like this :D |
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| 08:43.28 | Arafangion | Thankfully Debian is free, and can be modified. |
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| 08:47.20 | qrq | And thank God it doesnt want to become so "user friendly" as ubuntu |
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| 08:47.37 | samael | hello |
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| 08:55.38 | samael | I've a squeeze server with 3 NICs: 2xWAN + LAN. it acts as load balancer as per lartc.org over the 2 WANs reaching the internet via two HSPA modems. of course, the connections are pretty unstable (we're on a boat which is constantly moving) and often the WAN interfaces fail. |
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| 08:56.15 | samael | I'm searching for the better way to quickly detect a modem failure and route the traffic accordingly (via the other modem). any hints? |
| 08:57.14 | qrq | What exacly is at-spi-registryd? |
| 08:57.22 | daemonkeeper | Poll the link connectivity? |
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| 08:58.44 | nsadmin | if they're load balancing anyway, wouldn't the load balancer do that job? |
| 08:59.05 | daemonkeeper | His server is the load balancer in that case. |
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| 09:02.18 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i just tried adding the folllowing to my sources.list file, but it doesn't seem to work... has it moved or disappeared?? deb http://www.backports.org/debian squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 09:02.49 | daemonkeeper | !backports |
| 09:02.49 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 09:02.51 | fishsponge_ | actually... i'm only trying to install dovecot by some old instructions of mine... do i even need backports for this? |
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| 09:03.48 | daemonkeeper | You probably don't. As you are using "backports.org" this evidently proofs you have an old outdated system, you should upgrade. Doing that you get a more recent dovecot anyway. |
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| 09:05.21 | nsadmin | fishsponge_, if "old instructions" don't say "use aptitude or apt-get to install the packages", probably this channel isn't the best source of info |
| 09:05.25 | th0r | fishsponge_: you just have the link a bit off...follow the instructions at the backports site provided by the bot |
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| 09:08.19 | fishsponge_ | cool. thanks for the help! |
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| 09:10.24 | samael | nsadmin, daemonkeeper: yep, the server does not directly know the actual state of the ppp/gsm interfaces on the modems |
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| 09:10.56 | daemonkeeper | samael: As I said, monitor the uplink, e.g. ping the gateway. Whenever it fails, change routes |
| 09:11.13 | samael | i found via google some guys using interfaces bonding to share load and reacts to interfaces fails, but of course is not my case, again |
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| 09:12.04 | samael | daemonkeeper: ok. i was wondering if there might be some smarter way. |
| 09:12.34 | daemonkeeper | samael: Well, even a true load balancer might do some packet probes. |
| 09:12.46 | shirish | is bind9-host an essential package and does it comes in standard x86 install ? |
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| 09:14.23 | daemonkeeper | shirish: No, why should it? |
| 09:14.52 | themill | shirish: it's priority "standard" meaning that it should be in a base installation. |
| 09:15.09 | daemonkeeper | s/base/default/. |
| 09:15.22 | themill | no, base. |
| 09:15.22 | daemonkeeper | In baseinst only important + required is |
| 09:16.00 | nsadmin | packages of priority standard would comprise the debian standard system |
| 09:16.05 | nsadmin | not the same as base |
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| 09:16.31 | nsadmin | unless some bright individual decided to rename it |
| 09:17.02 | shirish | daemonkeeper: themill: I am asking as I had installed bind9 (and it was buggy for me) and installed unbound. Now don't remember if bind9-host is from before or not. |
| 09:17.08 | shirish | :( |
| 09:17.37 | nsadmin | what has you wondering that? |
| 09:18.21 | nsadmin | what overall result do you want? |
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| 09:19.04 | shirish | nsadmin: I have been trying out to get dnssec - http://wiki.debian.org/DNSSEC |
| 09:19.46 | shirish | nsadmin: after much trying about I was able to do it, had to use chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf otherwise network-manager would overwrite it. |
| 09:20.12 | daemonkeeper | .o( or remove network-manager ) |
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| 09:20.55 | shirish | daemonkeeper: right. The thing is I come from ubuntu and do have some idea about network-manager, not so much of the ifupdown thing. |
| 09:20.59 | themill | or configure things properly |
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| 09:21.32 | olivia | Hello |
| 09:21.38 | olivia | is dotdeb repo trustworthy? |
| 09:21.38 | computerx | Howdy, anyone tried compiling pcre? I'm getting a libtool unrecognized option error... |
| 09:21.47 | themill | olivia: no |
| 09:22.15 | themill | computerx: pcre isn't something many users try to compile ... why are you trying to do so? |
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| 09:22.49 | computerx | themill: I'm trying to make a bleeding edge php5.4 static binary with, most importantly, bleeding edge pcre |
| 09:22.51 | andh | Hello. Which debian package do I have to download for the elisp manual? |
| 09:22.51 | olivia | I need a good repo for server with nginx and php5-fpm |
| 09:23.16 | andh | Oh I have it! |
| 09:23.21 | Arafangion | olivia: Those are fairly specific requirements. |
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| 09:24.03 | shirish | the basic thing is after using the chattr +i to /etc/resolv.conf and using the wiki page things are going smooth. I just want to be sure that nothing breaks it so was removing/purging all bind9 stuff. |
| 09:24.04 | Arafangion | olivia: nginx is in debian, but What's "fpm"? |
| 09:24.15 | shirish | hence asked. |
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| 09:25.07 | daemonkeeper | php5-fpm is in testing |
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| 09:25.17 | Arafangion | Yeah, just noticed, you'd need to backport that |
| 09:25.51 | Driver | hi all! how i can monitored my ups ippon? debian wheeze\kde4.6.4 |
| 09:26.04 | Driver | usb cabel connected |
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| 09:27.09 | computerx | themill: It might sound crazy, but I'm a pretty advanced php developer (yeah yeah, I've heard it all before). I use it for a lot of system scripts (yes, heard that before too) and I'd like to 1. stay ahead of the game and 2. have a nice advanced static cli for my own use, including cutting edge regex support. |
| 09:27.55 | daemonkeeper | Well, for cutting edge regex support, you should move to Perl |
| 09:28.12 | daemonkeeper | (and for shell scripts) |
| 09:29.01 | shirish | Driver: try one of these apcupsd, genpower, nut, nut-server, powstatd, upsd |
| 09:29.03 | computerx | I should move to perl, but I'm too busy to learn it. I use a fair amount of bash... |
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| 09:29.33 | hroi | hi |
| 09:29.54 | shirish | Driver: I have an apc and did played around with apcupsd but then it already had all the details, just had to configure some stuff. |
| 09:30.02 | hroi | I just created a crontab on one user account on my debian server |
| 09:30.10 | hroi | however, it doesnt seem to be executing |
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| 09:30.28 | hroi | is there a switch somewhere that I need to activate to allow crontab. |
| 09:30.28 | berarma | computerx: pearl is pretty easy to learn, I'm usually a php programmer but had to do some file processing scripts and learn enough perl in a day to get it done in the same day, it was worth it |
| 09:30.31 | nsadmin | how do you know |
| 09:30.37 | Driver | nut work with ippon on com cable. but my mb doesnt have com :( and i want indicator on tray |
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| 09:31.14 | computerx | berarma: Sure, but I have a massive amount of php support code, including weird stuff like video metadata extraction that I really can't be bothered to rewrite ;) |
| 09:31.25 | nsadmin | Driver: go buy a serial card |
| 09:31.29 | daemonkeeper | Oh, you don't know CPAN yet. |
| 09:32.12 | computerx | I also need this code to work on my web server, and would rather keep cgi off (let me guess, there's an apache module for it? :p) |
| 09:32.13 | shirish | Driver: sorry, not have much info. I just did it sometime back on my own system . I did blog about it. https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/tag/apcupsd/ |
| 09:32.51 | daemonkeeper | computerx: FCGI is what you want these days. Including PHP |
| 09:32.57 | nsadmin | I don't know, none of my web services use apache at all |
| 09:33.17 | computerx | Actually, I was waiting for that. I do use fcgi suexec for my php |
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| 09:33.43 | hroi | in the debian cron tutorial there is no mention of activating cron for users: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/56 |
| 09:33.56 | daemonkeeper | Anyway, php5-fpm is in testing, as is nginx. If you want cutting-edge (or, well, more cutting-edge than stable), you may want to upgrade to testing |
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| 09:34.07 | nsadmin | hroi, man crontab |
| 09:34.14 | computerx | But ultimately, I just want to build my php 5.4 alpha with the latest pcre. I can't get past the pcre make. |
| 09:34.50 | Driver | nsadmin doesnt have pci on mb -_- |
| 09:35.13 | nsadmin | what does it have? |
| 09:35.22 | olivia | Arafangion: php5-fpm -> php for nginx |
| 09:35.43 | Arafangion | olivia: nginx requires a special php5? |
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| 09:37.00 | olivia | Arafangion: yes, a special version of fast cgi |
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| 09:38.07 | lancelot_of | hi there. how to name and number files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d? |
| 09:39.43 | babilen | lancelot_of: As you want, but make sure they end in .conf - A typical naming-scheme is NN-SECTION, where NN is an arbitrary two digit number and SECTION is the name of the section you are configuring in there. |
| 09:40.43 | lancelot_of | babilen, thanks for your prompt reply. So 10-driver.conf should be a reliable solution? |
| 09:40.57 | lancelot_of | or maybe it should be best 10-intel.conf? |
| 09:41.18 | lancelot_of | it would, sorry ;) |
| 09:42.20 | babilen | lancelot_of: I would go with 10-intel.conf or 42-intel.conf or ... you get the idea |
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| 10:46.12 | fasta | How can I install a ton of development tools all at once? |
| 10:46.23 | petemc | install build-essential |
| 10:46.34 | fasta | petemc: even more than that. |
| 10:46.58 | fasta | petemc: I am talking about 10+ GB of tools. |
| 10:47.03 | petemc | apt-get install <whatever else you want> |
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| 10:57.50 | samba23 | how to sort cpu usage using TOP |
| 10:58.23 | nkuttler | samba23: man top knows, have a look at htop as well |
| 10:58.40 | samba23 | ok |
| 10:59.42 | Nu^253r | hi does anyone know what sri, is?! and how do i get that package?! |
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| 11:00.44 | nkuttler | Nu^253r: what's that supposed to be? |
| 11:01.12 | Nu^253r | nkuttler i have no idea, this program im trying to install deponds on sri |
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| 11:01.25 | fasta | How do I start a program at boot? |
| 11:01.26 | Nu^253r | ive searched and i got directed to sri lanka |
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| 11:02.18 | nkuttler | fasta: see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 11:02.27 | nkuttler | !tell Nu^253r about errors |
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| 11:03.01 | Bushmills | Nu^253r: /etc/rc.local is one way. through crontab is another |
| 11:03.25 | Bushmills | sry. meant for fasta |
| 11:03.46 | Bushmills | samba23: shift-P |
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| 11:04.05 | Bushmills | or what nkuttler said |
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| 11:04.52 | Bushmills | Nu^253r: stanford research institute |
| 11:04.56 | fasta | What does that mean? |
| 11:05.15 | Nu^253r | thanx Bushmills |
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| 11:06.08 | fasta | I get that when I start a fresh Squeeze. |
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| 11:11.51 | Burns | Hello |
| 11:12.01 | Burns | How to upgrade from tcl8.4 to tcl8.5 |
| 11:12.48 | Bushmills | ,versions tcl |
| 11:12.51 | judd | Package tcl on i386 -- lenny: 8.4.16-2; squeeze: 8.4.16-2; sid: 8.5.0-2; wheezy: 8.5.0-2 |
| 11:13.08 | intruder_ | Now that backports are officially supported, is it recommendable to -t squeeze-backports dist-upgrade ? |
| 11:13.15 | Bushmills | seems you'd want to backport tcl8.5 |
| 11:13.26 | Burns | I installed 8.5 by using the official site |
| 11:13.31 | Burns | and deleted the 8.4 |
| 11:13.49 | Burns | but I have some issues with my eggdrop that stills ask for the 8.4 instead of the 8.5 |
| 11:13.59 | Burns | Can't load modules channels: libtcl8.4.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:14.32 | babilen | intruder_: No |
| 11:15.25 | Alam_Squeeze | Burns: you going to have to recompile any and all programs that use tcl8.4 |
| 11:15.33 | Alam_Squeeze | . |
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| 11:17.11 | Alam_Squeeze | Burns: you going to have to recompile any and all programs that use tcl8.4 |
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| 11:34.27 | fasta | How do I set the language that applications like Iceweasel/Icedove, etc. use? |
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| 11:36.40 | filePeter | fasta: Install iceweasel l10n packages |
| 11:36.48 | TuxFighter | Hi, guys what kind of problems did you expierenced with mounting usr and boot ro ? |
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| 11:37.56 | babilen | TuxFighter: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/11/msg00212.html |
| 11:39.04 | TuxFighter | yea and would it be somewhat easier too do so for boot ? |
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| 11:39.29 | babilen | TuxFighter: I would think so |
| 11:40.10 | fasta | filePeter: if I press uninstall on an existing incompatible plugin, it doesn't actually uninstall it. |
| 11:40.19 | fasta | filePeter: within icedove. |
| 11:40.31 | fasta | Where are those plugins stored? |
| 11:41.36 | fasta | To be more precise, I meant 'language packs'. |
| 11:42.33 | filePeter | fasta: Language packs? â You wanted your iceweasel in your tongue, rightâ½ |
| 11:42.49 | filePeter | fasta: ~/.mozilla/ might be what youâre looking for⦠|
| 11:43.59 | fasta | filePeter: yes, but this of an old local installation of a language pack. |
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| 11:45.11 | filePeter | fasta: What is an old installation of a language pack? |
| 11:45.37 | fasta | filePeter: problem has been solved. Thanks. |
| 11:46.20 | fasta | filePeter: to answer your question: you install OS A, then you install a language pack manually from a file, then you install Debian. Then you have an 'old installation of a language pack'. |
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| 11:46.55 | Arafangion | would've thought that answering a question implied that the question is being answered. |
| 11:48.27 | fasta | filePeter: you missed the context. |
| 11:48.34 | fasta | Alam_Squeeze: you missed the context. |
| 11:48.51 | fasta | Arafangion: you missed the context. |
| 11:48.59 | filePeter | fasta: lol |
| 11:49.12 | fasta | filePeter: yeah, that was just ridiculous. |
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| 11:49.17 | fasta | Sorry, people. |
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| 11:50.26 | filePeter | fasta: âThatâs what _she_ said!â |
| 11:50.32 | hroi | hi |
| 11:50.56 | hroi | apt-get install libkml installs everything except for libkml.a/.so ... |
| 11:51.20 | hroi | according to osgeo and other devs, this library is supposed to include a libkml |
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| 11:51.34 | jetscreamer | aren't .so files generated or something? i forget |
| 11:52.00 | hroi | I suspect what has happened here is that libkmlbase.a/.so is the library that should be called libkml |
| 11:52.24 | hroi | some symbolic links missing in the debian backage maybe |
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| 11:52.57 | filePeter | hroi: Seems like the lib is split or something: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/libkml0/filelist |
| 11:53.12 | filePeter | hroi: even though you might find the *.a stuff in libkml-dev or smth |
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| 11:55.20 | hroi | filePeter, how can I do an easy content search for the actual libkml.a? |
| 11:55.36 | hroi | filePeter: hard to know where libkml.a is now located. |
| 11:56.03 | filePeter | hroi: nm /usr/lib/NAM.a |
| 11:56.19 | filePeter | s/NAM/NAME/g |
| 11:56.44 | hroi | filePeter: I have both libkml0 and libkml-dev installed |
| 11:56.44 | jetscreamer | locate? |
| 11:57.29 | filePeter | hroi: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/libkml0/filelist |
| 11:57.30 | hroi | jetscreamer: we are wondering if the libkml.a/.so files are in any other package than libkml.dpk |
| 11:58.16 | hroi | filePeter: yes, this page shows the contents of the libkml0 install |
| 11:58.23 | jetscreamer | apt-file? |
| 11:58.31 | vyadhaka | I am trying to install nvidia dkms way, first I need to install the relevant headers, then nvidia-kernel-dkms, nstall the NVIDIA X driver and user-space libraries, and then configure X, I read what dpkg has to say and am trying to understand the syntax, can some one help me understand. |
| 11:58.35 | hroi | filePeter: and no libkml.a |
| 11:58.53 | hroi | filePeter: I suspect this is broken maybe. symbolic link problem. |
| 11:59.05 | hroi | filePeter: I'll just go ahead and make a link |
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| 11:59.20 | jetscreamer | vyadhaka: me i just had to run nvidia-xconfig |
| 11:59.23 | filePeter | hroi: I guess you should⦠Maybe a bugreport migh be a good idea⦠|
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| 11:59.53 | jetscreamer | after i got everything installed |
| 12:00.05 | hroi | filePeter: will do |
| 12:00.11 | vyadhaka | jetscreamer: I am trying to understand "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" |
| 12:00.13 | hroi | filePeter: after i confirm this works |
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| 12:00.32 | hroi | filePeter: is there a bot script here that creates a report? |
| 12:00.53 | filePeter | hroi: bugreport is nice |
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| 12:01.10 | jetscreamer | oh that's just nifty stuff ... the regex expands to valid for your box names |
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| 12:01.31 | vyadhaka | jetscreamer: the first bit will install the relevant header, I want to do the steps individually so that I can learn |
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| 12:01.49 | hroi | filePeter: yes, just I thought maybe the debian bot could help me submit through the irc |
| 12:02.00 | hroi | filePeter: just good to know if that can be done |
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| 12:02.14 | filePeter | hroi: Sorry⦠Yes, right. |
| 12:03.02 | vyadhaka | jetscreamer: I usually prefer to run aptitude -s before I run the proper command, that way I know whats going to happen |
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| 12:03.12 | filePeter | vyadhaka: && is doing nothing but running the right side of it if the left hand side command did not fail |
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| 12:04.19 | jetscreamer | vyadhaka: it's going to create a directory and file, and insert a line that says identifier the value for which will be mygpu yadda yadda |
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| 12:04.37 | vyadhaka | filePeter: yes I understand && what I am stuck at is aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' can I run this separately? |
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| 12:04.46 | jetscreamer | basically a standard portion of xorg.conf |
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| 12:05.11 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 12:05.39 | filePeter | vyadhaka: Yes. `command` denotes the output of command. Run the inside of `unameâ¦` and see. |
| 12:05.50 | jetscreamer | aptitude -r install linuxheaders-'uname -r' works to i think ... i forget exactly |
| 12:05.52 | vyadhaka | jetscreamer: can I run aptitude -rs install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'? |
| 12:05.57 | jetscreamer | well type it right |
| 12:06.03 | jetscreamer | yes i said |
| 12:06.32 | jetscreamer | oh i dunno about teh -rs, i don't use aptitude |
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| 12:06.37 | jetscreamer | other than that, yes |
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| 12:07.12 | jetscreamer | $(uname -r) |
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| 12:08.13 | vyadhaka | filePeter: uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,, run just that bit as normal user does not do anything, should it be run with sudo? |
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| 12:10.07 | jetscreamer | wtf is the sed there for/to do, anyway |
| 12:10.30 | jetscreamer | come to think of it.. i read that like 3 days ago |
| 12:11.12 | vyadhaka | jetscreamer: uname -r gives 2.6.32-5-686, so piping it through sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,, does something to that output removes something before and after and something else. right? |
| 12:11.47 | jetscreamer | i dunno looks useless to me but i dunno... i just apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 12:12.01 | jetscreamer | no idea what the sed is there for |
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| 12:13.04 | jetscreamer | well dang time to gotowork |
| 12:13.05 | filePeter | vyadhaka: Are you sure you didnât forget the right hand side ' at the line endjâ½ |
| 12:13.22 | jetscreamer | isn't is supposed to be ` not ' ? |
| 12:13.37 | vyadhaka | jetscreamer: ok got it uname -r = 2.6.32-5-686 and uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' = 686 |
| 12:13.37 | vyadhaka | filePeter: yes you are right |
| 12:13.59 | filePeter | jetscreamer: both. To end the sed-string and to end the call from within the aptitude cmnd-line |
| 12:14.05 | jetscreamer | o |
| 12:14.51 | DummyMode | good morning.. |
| 12:15.02 | jetscreamer | ah it's targeting the metapackage |
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| 12:15.18 | claw | i want to replace every thing that is : ",X ms," with sed | i have tried this but i dont understand it i think. : cat test.csv | sed 's/\(,* ms,\)/&'"$date"' /' |
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| 12:16.46 | iateadonut | how do i find the current time? |
| 12:16.53 | vyadhaka | ok understand the first part "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' how do I run a simulation before actually running the command? aptitude -rs install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' just does not do anything |
| 12:17.10 | claw | iateadonut, echo $(date) |
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| 12:17.34 | filePeter | iateadonut: date |
| 12:19.16 | jetscreamer | lose the sed put -686 instead |
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| 12:20.16 | vyadhaka | jetscreamer: yes tried it just before you typed the answer. |
| 12:20.40 | iateadonut | thanks. |
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| 12:40.24 | vyadhaka | filePeter: whats ` for after `uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' |
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| 12:42.56 | jelly | vyadhaka: to end the first ` |
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| 12:43.44 | jelly | vyadhaka: it does what `command` always does in shell, execute the command and use its output to expand that `` |
| 12:43.50 | cnz | I ran apt-get remove python2.7 |
| 12:43.55 | cnz | and it wiped out everything but 17apps |
| 12:44.01 | cnz | how do I reinstall everything it removed |
| 12:44.18 | somiaj | cnz: did you not read the list of programs it said you were going to remove before you hit 'Y' |
| 12:44.31 | cnz | no |
| 12:44.31 | somiaj | cnz: you look at the list of programs that were removed and start installing them. |
| 12:44.38 | cnz | because I did -y remove |
| 12:44.52 | jelly | cnz: inspect your aptitude or apt logs. |
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| 12:45.04 | cnz | crap, so there's no fast way? |
| 12:45.12 | jelly | cnz: there is no "undo", no |
| 12:45.14 | filePeter | cnz: Puh⦠Nasty⦠Which system are you on? Unstablej⽠|
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| 12:45.28 | jelly | cnz: well, I'm lying. Restore the whole system from your last night's backup. |
| 12:45.41 | cnz | jelly: lol yeah like I did that |
| 12:45.46 | cnz | so basically I gotta reinstall everything |
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| 12:45.59 | cnz | so basically it would be faster/easier to just reinstall the whole system? |
| 12:46.12 | vyadhaka | jelly: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d shouldn't this be like "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` && nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d? |
| 12:46.16 | jelly | cnz: well, why would anyone have a computer system WITHOUT backup |
| 12:46.34 | jelly | vyadhaka: no |
| 12:46.37 | Arafangion | jelly: To use facebook. |
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| 12:46.49 | vyadhaka | jelly: i am trying to understand the syntax given by dpkg |
| 12:46.58 | cnz | jelly: a lot of ppl don't run backups |
| 12:46.59 | jelly | Arafangion: oh well, then it's "reinstall the thin client" time |
| 12:47.07 | jelly | cnz: that seems unsafe |
| 12:47.17 | somiaj | cnz: if you don't 'apt-get clean', most likely all the packages you want are already in /var/cache/apt/archive -- you could just reinstall everything in that directory -- but that may be overkill and just dpkg -i the whole directory could have strange effects (espically if you have multiple versions of the same package) so its better to just apt-get install the things you need one at a time and rebuild your install that way. |
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| 12:47.41 | vyadhaka | jelly: so just a space will do after installing the headers and moving on to install the nvidia-kernel-dkms? |
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| 12:48.51 | filePeter | vyadhaka: Yes |
| 12:49.08 | jelly | vyadhaka: yes, aptitude (and apt-get too) accepts multiple package names for the install action |
| 12:49.20 | filePeter | vyadhaka: apt-get-install package1 package2 packe3 ⦠|
| 12:49.34 | cnz | somiaj: how would I install everything in the archive |
| 12:49.39 | cnz | I didn't do an apt-get clean |
| 12:49.52 | vyadhaka | filePeter: thanks very much |
| 12:49.55 | jelly | vyadhaka: the optimal order for installation is determined by aptitude -- it doesn't necessarily follow the order on the command line |
| 12:50.10 | somiaj | cnz: my message told you how, but I wouldn't suggest it -- use some intelligence in filtering though that list to decide what you need to install then just use apt-get |
| 12:50.25 | fasta | How do I get a newer version of wine on Squeeze? |
| 12:50.39 | vyadhaka | jelly: ok |
| 12:50.43 | RichiH | i need to log memory usage. my approach would be to ps faux > logfile.timestamp in a cronjob |
| 12:50.49 | RichiH | any other suggestions? |
| 12:50.50 | filePeter | fasta: Install from testing⦠|
| 12:50.58 | Arafangion | *backport* from testing. |
| 12:51.01 | cnz | somiaj: I looked through thet list I need all those packages |
| 12:51.02 | somiaj | fasta: you can 1) look for a backport or 2) compile a backport yourself |
| 12:51.14 | filePeter | Arafangion: Even better⦠|
| 12:51.22 | filePeter | ;-) |
| 12:51.28 | somiaj | filePeter: please don't give people not only bad, but destructive advise for thier computers. You do not want to install any testing package on stable. |
| 12:51.53 | fasta | somiaj: Where are backport instructions? |
| 12:51.55 | RichiH | somiaj: mixing testing & stable works just fine. that being said, backports are preferable |
| 12:52.02 | fasta | somiaj: I only saw DD instructions. |
| 12:52.20 | jelly | RichiH: PLEASE don't say "mixing testing & stable works just fine" |
| 12:52.29 | Arafangion | RichiH: It does not work just fine in every situation. |
| 12:52.44 | fasta | I want to do it right 'right' way this time. |
| 12:52.56 | jelly | is going to refer every stable + something newer fuckup to RichiH from now on |
| 12:52.57 | filePeter | Arafangion: What would have been expectable when choosing wine in general⦠|
| 12:52.58 | fasta | the* |
| 12:53.18 | fasta | !backport |
| 12:53.18 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:53.21 | Arafangion | filePeter: What about wine's dependencies? |
| 12:53.26 | cnz | somiaj: thanks, it's installing everything I need |
| 12:53.34 | jelly | fasta: there's no reasonably fresh wine in Debian at present |
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| 12:53.51 | jelly | ,versions wine-unstable |
| 12:53.52 | judd | Package wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.1.35-1 |
| 12:53.54 | jelly | ,versions wine |
| 12:53.54 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 12:53.59 | fasta | jelly: I know, so I will have to compile something. |
| 12:54.00 | Arafangion | Frankly, for wine, I would typically install to specific locatiosn in /opt/wine-<version> |
| 12:54.20 | Arafangion | And for a given program, use the given version fo wine that happens to work best. |
| 12:54.25 | filePeter | Arafangion: wouldâve passed fastaâs screen making him choose _not_ to fuck up his system⦠|
| 12:54.31 | fasta | jelly: not a problem, but I would like to know how it works. |
| 12:54.36 | somiaj | RichiH: it can work, but its not recomended and as this is a stable support chan we try to keep people on stable -- basically you start mixing things (pull in testings libc6) you loose support and could have unexpected behavior (even the bts will ignore any bugs you find by mixing versions) |
| 12:54.37 | jelly | fasta: you could _try_ backporting from sources available on "/msg dpkg wine-unstable" |
| 12:54.52 | jelly | fasta: it might prove too complex though |
| 12:55.34 | somiaj | its not to difficult to use dh_make and just compile your own custom wine package from teh source from winehq.org fasta |
| 12:55.37 | jelly | fasta: this factoid show the rough procedures to do it: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:55.49 | jelly | fasta: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 12:55.51 | fasta | jelly: why can't I just say 'build package blah from unstable from source?' |
| 12:56.07 | fasta | jelly: it is not like Wine requires a new kernel. |
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| 12:56.12 | somiaj | fasta: you could also just compile the wine source and make install it into /usr/local -- the thing you don't want to do is install a binary package for a non-testing system that pulls in dependencies that are outside of stable. But just the wine package is fine. |
| 12:56.16 | filePeter | fasta: because its not gentoo⦠*SCNR* |
| 12:56.18 | jelly | fasta: this particular package has no fresh enough source in Debian AT ALL |
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| 12:56.31 | Arafangion | fasta: I've known wine to depend on a newer version of the kernel before. |
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| 12:56.52 | somiaj | fasta: /msg dpkg ssbp (instructions on how you can grab the source from unstable, compile it on your machine into a package, then install the resulting package) |
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| 12:57.35 | somiaj | fasta: though unstable doesn't have the unstable branch of wine -- if you want to install thigns from source with make // make install -- it just puts them in /usr/local and will work perfectly fine -- the distavantage of not using debian pacakges is you can't use dpkg to manage/remove the software |
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| 12:58.17 | somiaj | fasta: though wine has a 'make uninstall option' just keep the source around so you can uninstall it, you can also look into stow to manage multiple installs of stuff in /usr/local so you know where the binaries are put. |
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| 12:58.51 | Arafangion | This is why I suggest using /opt/wine-<version> |
| 12:59.03 | Arafangion | Removing it is a matter of running rm -rf /opt/wine-<version> |
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| 12:59.54 | Arafangion | stow is overkill for this, seriously. |
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| 13:00.49 | somiaj | Arafangion: for a single package, I'd just keep the source and use 'make uninstall' -- did that for a long time until I started just building custom wine pacakges |
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| 13:01.03 | somiaj | Arafangion: takes another two lines to compile the source into a debian pacakge as opposed to just compling it |
| 13:01.21 | Arafangion | somiaj: I just compile it to a sepcific location, or heck, create an actual .deb |
| 13:01.28 | Arafangion | Exactly.' |
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| 13:01.58 | Arafangion | But the other nice thing about using /opt/wine-<version> is that you can trivially have multiple wine versions installe.d |
| 13:02.08 | burn | hi guy's, |
| 13:02.22 | burn | is there already a security fix for the apache2 bug? |
| 13:02.42 | Arafangion | "the" apache2 bug? |
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| 13:03.14 | fasta | Arafangion: you are not giving an intelligent answer, since even I know what he is talking about. |
| 13:03.16 | burn | Arafangion: indeed ;-) -> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-3192 |
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| 13:03.39 | Arafangion | fasta: Even you know what he's talking about? |
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| 13:04.08 | fasta | Arafangion: That's what I said. |
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| 13:05.15 | Arafangion | fasta: What makes you so special? :) |
| 13:05.34 | RichiH | jelly: as always, use caution and common sense |
| 13:05.42 | RichiH | still, mixing stable & testing works just fine, for me |
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| 13:06.01 | RichiH | but yes, i agree thatyou are on your own if you do this |
| 13:06.13 | nkuttler | RichiH: you're being lucky, that's all |
| 13:06.15 | vyadhaka | dpkg has this bit > echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configure_X_to_use_the_nvidia_driver talks out editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf what's the difference? |
| 13:06.16 | dpkg | vyadhaka: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 13:06.28 | fasta | somiaj: so, it appears that I have unmet build-dependencies. |
| 13:06.28 | Arafangion | burn: Looks like it's discussed here: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-3192 |
| 13:06.38 | Arafangion | burn: Unfortunately, doesn't look like there's a fix yet. |
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| 13:06.47 | burn | OK |
| 13:07.03 | fasta | somiaj: why doesn't it just puts everything in a chroot that it needs and work? |
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| 13:07.11 | Arafangion | burn: But you could backport a newer version. |
| 13:07.46 | filePeter | vyadhaka: In your script the directory xorg.con.d is created and the config setting then thrown into 20-nvidia.conf (with >) in the latter case you just edit it right away⦠|
| 13:07.50 | somiaj | fasta: apt-get install build-dep wine is a good place to start |
| 13:07.50 | burn | Arafangion: how? |
| 13:08.00 | fasta | somiaj: I already did that. |
| 13:08.11 | Arafangion | burn: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:08.20 | somiaj | fasta: you could build a chroot if you want, but for wine just install it with make install will be fine (just realize the consequences -- i.e. you cannot remove manage the install with dpkg) |
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| 13:08.43 | Arafangion | Yeah, I wouldn't bother with a chroot. |
| 13:08.48 | somiaj | fasta: well seems there are newer build deps for the version of wine you want, track them down (it could be you'll have to start backporting some libaries as well making this harder) |
| 13:09.19 | vyadhaka | filePeter: so they both do the same thing pretty much. the name 20-nvidia.conf, is it arbitrary or does it have it be that name? |
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| 13:10.08 | filePeter | vyadhaka: Im not sure, possibley itâs not all that arbitrary⦠Dunno about xorg at that point. ;-) |
| 13:10.49 | fasta | somiaj: is there a way in which I run Stable, but have Unstable available for development? |
| 13:10.59 | burn | Arafangion: seems like I need to build it from source, dammid |
| 13:11.21 | filePeter | fasta: Installing a second deb on an lvm for example⦠|
| 13:11.31 | somiaj | fasta: did you read that factoid you have been pointed to twice about a simple sid backport? |
| 13:11.32 | fasta | somiaj: even for compiling wine, all this stuff is way too old. |
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| 13:11.37 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:11.38 | fasta | somiaj: from git. |
| 13:11.49 | filePeter | wfq: hi. |
| 13:11.56 | vyadhaka | filePeter: also there is an existing /etc/X11/xorg.conf, if I follow the dpkg syntax it creates a dir as you mentioned, so the dir takes precedence over the file? |
| 13:11.59 | somiaj | fasta: now you won't be able to just install unstables libs but you could backport the ones you need -- so read though the configure.log and figure out what you actually need. |
| 13:12.08 | wfq | I am really confused and now one here in the department is able to tell me what latex tool I should install in debian |
| 13:12.22 | wfq | textlive-full, texlive base? |
| 13:12.36 | wfq | bloody hell they all are fedora users |
| 13:12.42 | fasta | somiaj: there are about 7 dependencies that I miss. |
| 13:12.54 | filePeter | vyadhaka: Iâm unsure but I guess they are both parsed. Similar beheavior for âmuttâ for example⦠|
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| 13:13.18 | somiaj | fasta: why is it a version problem, or just you need to install lib<foo>-dev? |
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| 13:13.37 | vyadhaka | filePeter: you have been of great help today, learnt a lot, thank you |
| 13:13.51 | somiaj | wfq: yes just install the texlive pacakges. |
| 13:14.02 | filePeter | wfq: Full if you are fine with unused packages. base + <whatyouneed> otherwise |
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| 13:14.20 | somiaj | wfq: textlive-full will probabaly be what you want (apt-cache show texlive-full to get the description of the package) |
| 13:14.31 | filePeter | vyadhaka: Youâre welcome⦠I appreciate youâre forcing yourself through all that⦠|
| 13:14.56 | somiaj | wfq: the full package just installs the full suit, including lots and lots of doucmatation. |
| 13:15.05 | fasta | somiaj: it complains even over gettext. |
| 13:15.17 | wfq | as I have no idea I am goin to go for it |
| 13:15.38 | somiaj | wfq: it will work you just may end up with more than you need (which with most modern computers you have plenty of space) |
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| 13:16.01 | filePeter | wfq: I recommend installing the base and then install the missing packages if latex fails parsing⦠|
| 13:16.02 | wfq | I have a terabyte so I can guess it is sort of enough :) |
| 13:16.17 | vyadhaka | filePeter: i used to follow advise without understanding what the commands do. got burnt once, so I started understanding stuff before running them. |
| 13:16.31 | Mr_Bond | Hi guys! I've setup a debian mirror (with reprepro) and populated it with two packages (built with dpkg-buildpackage), but when these packages depend on packages in the standard debian stable repositories, I get "Depends: libsqlite but is not installable". Any pointers to where I need to look to fix this? I'm all out of clues on this :/ |
| 13:16.34 | wfq | filePeter, have no idea about latex and have been done a deadline of MOnday evening to create the doc and get used to latex |
| 13:16.41 | wfq | so I am going to go for the full thing |
| 13:16.57 | somiaj | fasta: well you will have to read the configure log, figure out what you need (i.e. is it a version issue) and backport what you need. I haven't tried to get wine running in stable, but it could be a lot of work. |
| 13:17.13 | somiaj | fasta: well for the unstable branch of wine, if you want the stable branch of wine it will probabaly be smoother. |
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| 13:18.49 | filePeter | vyadhaka: reminds me of https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be ;-) |
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| 13:19.24 | filePeter | wfq: Yes ok. I see⦠;-) |
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| 13:24.36 | vyadhaka | filePeter: so the extra space after /usr deleted the /usr dir? |
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| 13:26.18 | fasta | Apparently I need the GetText 32-bit development files. Where are those packaged in Squeeze? |
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| 13:26.41 | fasta | I already installed gettext, but that's the 64 bits verson. |
| 13:26.46 | fasta | version* |
| 13:26.59 | filePeter | vyadhaka: Yes. ;-p |
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| 13:28.25 | vyadhaka | filePeter: funny, lot of people commenting sound like they know what they were doing, not. |
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| 13:29.14 | tawtaw | how can i send a email with mail and attach something to it? |
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| 13:36.08 | Mr_Bond | tawtaw: you can use uuencode | mailx |
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| 13:41.20 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i'm having an issue. i have a debian server on the internet without a firewall.. now my isp closed down my internet connection saying i was abusing my internet connection. and saying i was sending spam and that kind a things. now my internet is connected again. but i was wandering how can i look in my debian box if it got hacked or brute forced and abused or so? |
| 13:42.07 | petemc | ws2k3: was the machine up to date? |
| 13:42.34 | petemc | ws2k3: a common method of abuse is badly written php scripts or weak ssh passwords |
| 13:42.37 | ws2k3 | uhmm yeah i think so |
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| 13:42.41 | petemc | you think so? |
| 13:42.43 | jaakkos | i vote for weak ssh passwords |
| 13:42.45 | ws2k3 | ssh pasword was nog weak |
| 13:42.54 | jaakkos | ws2k3: are there many users on your system? |
| 13:42.55 | ws2k3 | no how do i say 2 kind of letter L |
| 13:42.57 | ws2k3 | so big letters |
| 13:42.59 | ws2k3 | no only one |
| 13:43.13 | ws2k3 | my password was 8 chars with 2 numbers and 2 BIG letters in it |
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| 13:43.21 | ws2k3 | so i may assume that it not weak |
| 13:43.30 | petemc | Pa55word? |
| 13:43.35 | ws2k3 | nope |
| 13:43.38 | ws2k3 | something like this |
| 13:43.45 | ws2k3 | paKdeU12 |
| 13:43.53 | ws2k3 | only then other letters and other numbers |
| 13:43.58 | ws2k3 | but in that format |
| 13:44.03 | jelly | hunter2 |
| 13:44.09 | ws2k3 | ? |
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| 13:44.27 | SPF | ws2k3: are you using your machine as gateway? |
| 13:44.32 | ws2k3 | no |
| 13:44.40 | ws2k3 | but my machine is straith to the wan |
| 13:44.51 | ws2k3 | and yes indeed i have some apache2 with some php scripts on it |
| 13:44.53 | mutante | ws2k3: did you run Apache with PHP or other cgi scripts? |
| 13:44.57 | ws2k3 | php |
| 13:45.06 | jaakkos | ws2k3: grep for "Accepted" in /var/log/auth.log* |
| 13:45.29 | mutante | insecure php seems more likely than ssh bruteforce..shrug |
| 13:45.55 | ws2k3 | jaakkos which command i should use to do that |
| 13:46.01 | jaakkos | grep and zgrep |
| 13:46.10 | ws2k3 | i meant which exact command |
| 13:46.14 | ws2k3 | i didnt use grep before |
| 13:46.24 | petemc | ws2k3: if the machine was compromised and they had root access they could cover their tracks and you'll never know |
| 13:46.25 | mutante | ws2k3: you _could_ try to run chkrootkit and rkhunter now, but actually you should just reinstall |
| 13:46.43 | jaakkos | what petemc said, however, if they didn't gain root, you will see it |
| 13:47.20 | jaakkos | ws2k3: zgrep "Accepted" /var/log/auth.log* |
| 13:48.15 | jaakkos | anyway, if your passwords were good and you know the password to all users on your system, then this is probably unlikely |
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| 13:49.04 | ws2k3 | hmm |
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| 13:49.16 | ws2k3 | i see that on 28 aug somebody has logged in in ssh |
| 13:49.41 | ws2k3 | ./var/log/auth.log.1:Aug 28 00:19:40 debian sshd[9205]: Accepted password for root from 80.61.103.184 port 58917 ssh2 |
| 13:49.53 | jaakkos | 184.103.61.80.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ip503d67b8.speed.planet.nl. |
| 13:49.57 | jaakkos | is that yourself? |
| 13:50.00 | ws2k3 | no |
| 13:50.05 | ws2k3 | thats an ip adres that i dont know |
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| 13:50.11 | ws2k3 | it is on my country |
| 13:50.19 | ws2k3 | dont its not one of oure admins ip adres |
| 13:50.30 | ws2k3 | we have multi admin but i'm the only one actualy working inside debian |
| 13:50.45 | petemc | sounds messy |
| 13:51.14 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 13:51.21 | ws2k3 | can i maby see what he has done or so ? |
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| 13:51.44 | mutante | cat /root/.bash_history |
| 13:51.49 | helo | you need to take the machine offline and make a copy to work with |
| 13:51.50 | mutante | if he really didnt care :p |
| 13:52.08 | ws2k3 | helo how u mean ? |
| 13:52.10 | mutante | you probably dont have timestamps enabled in .bash_history though |
| 13:52.12 | jaakkos | if he didn't take care of auth.log* and bash_history he's pretty stupid |
| 13:52.33 | helo | is atime on? |
| 13:52.45 | ws2k3 | dont know |
| 13:52.50 | ws2k3 | default installation of debian |
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| 13:53.03 | helo | you need to get a list of all files on the machine sorted by atime |
| 13:53.03 | ws2k3 | in my bash history i only see command from me |
| 13:53.14 | tawtaw | Mr_Bond: thanks :) i just found it myself :) but thanks |
| 13:53.34 | helo | then you can look in the range that the login occurred to see what he interacted with |
| 13:53.53 | helo | if no atime, ctime might still be useful |
| 13:54.01 | mutante | ws2k3: you'll have to decide: do i just want this back up and running (re-install) or do i want to start an investigation now (make disk image) |
| 13:54.15 | jaakkos | ws2k3: try to identify weird processes. however if you didn't know grep, perhaps chances to identify weird ones are not extremely good - also argv[0] can be overwritten so 'ps' is not actually reliable. |
| 13:54.30 | helo | when my virtual host got owned it was pretty entertaining to investigate :) |
| 13:54.43 | jaakkos | ws2k3: check for public keys you didn't add for root: cat ~root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:54.53 | jaakkos | ws2k3: is there a crontab for root? crontab -l |
| 13:54.55 | helo | ended up talking to the guy in an irc channel |
| 13:55.30 | jaakkos | :D |
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| 13:56.22 | ws2k3 | in crontab i see nothing special |
| 13:56.26 | ws2k3 | just my own things |
| 13:56.43 | jaakkos | ws2k3: the bottomline is you should reinstall the system but it's of course interesting to know all the details of the breach |
| 13:57.02 | ws2k3 | are u sure i need to reinstall? |
| 13:57.18 | ws2k3 | becuase i have to drive to the location and i'm in the nood for that:P:P |
| 13:57.30 | mutante | yes, or you'll never know. no remote management card? |
| 13:57.32 | jaakkos | someone you don't know logged in as root on your box and your isp cut your link due to sending spam. yes. |
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| 13:58.16 | jaakkos | however are you sure about 80.61.103.184? if you have multiple admins, they could log in from the funniest locations. |
| 13:58.17 | mutante | sure you dont have f.e. a DRAC (if it happens to be a Dell) |
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| 13:58.28 | mutante | then you dont have to drive |
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| 14:00.15 | ws2k3 | jakkos yeah i know |
| 14:00.29 | ws2k3 | mutante no i dont have a DRAC |
| 14:00.39 | fireba11 | what am i supposed to use for mail on a debian server that only needs to relay mails for error notifications and such? |
| 14:01.03 | ws2k3 | exmin4? postfix? |
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| 14:01.10 | ws2k3 | exim4* |
| 14:01.10 | Mr_Bond | fireba11: you could use ssmtp or dma |
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| 14:01.31 | fireba11 | ws2k3: i'm searching for a minimalistic solution :-D |
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| 14:01.36 | Mr_Bond | (outbound only MTAs) |
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| 14:01.52 | ws2k3 | ah ok then i didnt say anything |
| 14:02.04 | fireba11 | Mr_Bond: thanks |
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| 14:02.21 | ws2k3 | well i'm thinking of installing an iptables firewall that block all exapt the port i need for the public |
| 14:02.27 | ws2k3 | suck as 80 and that kind oif things |
| 14:02.30 | ws2k3 | then is disable port 22 |
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| 14:02.42 | ws2k3 | but allow my ownd ip adres for all |
| 14:03.10 | zlude | hello! i have this package installed "ii apache2 2.2.9-10+lenny8 Apache HTTP Server metapackage" seem vulnerable, how can i mitigate it? debian version: 5.0.6 this server is a production server! |
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| 14:04.58 | gawry | is it useful to backup the /var/lib folder? |
| 14:05.52 | jaakkos | ws2k3: are you pulling backups from the server? |
| 14:06.00 | ws2k3 | no not yet |
| 14:06.12 | ws2k3 | i'm still investagating a bit |
| 14:06.25 | zlude | any ideas? |
| 14:06.30 | ws2k3 | may i assume that he knows my root password? |
| 14:06.34 | jaakkos | ws2k3: you should put effort into figuring out how the breach happened because chances are it will happen again if you don't take the correct actions |
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| 14:06.44 | Mr_Bond | fireba11: If you wanted to use dma, I'd grab it from gitorious/dma (I think the packaged version in debian is quite outdated) |
| 14:06.53 | jaakkos | if you had backups you could try diffing the file system |
| 14:06.56 | ws2k3 | because it says accepted passwords |
| 14:07.13 | ws2k3 | i understand |
| 14:07.20 | ws2k3 | but its not a very high priority server |
| 14:07.40 | ws2k3 | but does he know my root password yes or no? what do u think? |
| 14:07.49 | jaakkos | if you're sure the ip is not yours then yes |
| 14:08.02 | ws2k3 | yes i'm sure |
| 14:08.08 | jaakkos | it's not like there have been vulnerabilities like that in openssh-server lately |
| 14:08.15 | ws2k3 | that ip adres is pretty far from here.. |
| 14:08.29 | ws2k3 | its not in the area of my friends or so |
| 14:08.45 | nkuttler | hrm, where should i send bug reports for packages from backports.debian.org ? |
| 14:08.53 | jaakkos | ws2k3: several people know the root password? |
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| 14:09.06 | nkuttler | nm |
| 14:09.15 | jelly | nkuttler: to the backports list. It's in the instructions |
| 14:09.15 | ws2k3 | jaakkos yeah |
| 14:09.27 | nkuttler | jelly: just found it, thanks |
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| 14:09.39 | jaakkos | ws2k3: imo this is generally a bad idea - use ssh keys and sudoers instead |
| 14:09.44 | zlude | hello! i have this package installed "ii apache2 2.2.9-10+lenny8 Apache HTTP Server metapackage" seem vulnerable, how can i mitigate it? debian version: 5.0.6 this server is a production server! |
| 14:09.44 | jack_lt | question about user rights > http://fpaste.org/rmaF/ |
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| 14:09.56 | jaakkos | ws2k3: anyway, you could ask everyone knowing that root password if that login seems familiar |
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| 14:10.12 | jelly | zlude: "seem" vulnerable? |
| 14:10.23 | zlude | jelly: DOS attack |
| 14:10.29 | jaakkos | ws2k3: or, perhaps one of these people had a text file on their home computer and their computer got compromised? |
| 14:10.39 | jaakkos | text file with the password, that is. |
| 14:10.52 | zlude | jelly: http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/17696/ |
| 14:11.04 | fireba11 | Mr_Bond: i used ssmtp, that's quite enough for my use case |
| 14:11.13 | ws2k3 | oh no i made a mistake |
| 14:11.17 | ws2k3 | the ip adres is familiar |
| 14:11.19 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 14:11.19 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
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| 14:11.33 | Mr_Bond | fireba11: yeah I use it myself, works great on my laptop :) |
| 14:11.45 | ws2k3 | i know who it is now. and i asked him to upload some files. so the login is correct. |
| 14:12.11 | fireba11 | Mr_Bond: i got a couple servers including a mailserver, so all other boxes just need outbound mail to forward status messages |
| 14:12.18 | jelly | zlude: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-3192 ? |
| 14:12.30 | ws2k3 | so in my ssh are no suspisios login. |
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| 14:12.46 | Mr_Bond | fireba11: <nods> |
| 14:12.59 | ws2k3 | and i'm not sure but debian box is hacked. maby the guy on that location had a virus on his computer that also possible. but i need to be sure. |
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| 14:13.10 | zlude | jelly: yup! how can i update my apache for don't work this exploit...? |
| 14:13.12 | jelly | zlude: so get 2.2.9-10+lenny10 when it becomes available |
| 14:13.29 | jelly | ,versions apache2 --release oldstable |
| 14:13.30 | judd | Package apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny9 |
| 14:13.38 | quitte | is the ia32 java6 horribly slow on amd64? |
| 14:13.57 | zlude | jelly: ? |
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| 14:14.06 | Xgamerz | !ftp |
| 14:14.06 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
| 14:14.17 | jelly | zlude: it's probably somewhere in the queue |
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| 14:14.36 | ws2k3 | so jakkos what now? |
| 14:14.40 | jelly | quitte: on a amd64-capable cpu with a 32bit userspace? No. |
| 14:14.58 | zlude | jelly: i want update just the apache... |
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| 14:15.47 | jack_lt | I need some confirmation about user settings... http://fpaste.org/rmaF/ |
| 14:15.49 | quitte | jelly: no on a amd64 machine with 64bit userspace but using the ia32-sun-java6-bin |
| 14:15.57 | helo | ws2k3: if you believe someone you dont trust had access to your system, it's reinstall time |
| 14:16.12 | ws2k3 | helo no i identify the ip adres |
| 14:16.14 | ws2k3 | i know who it is |
| 14:16.15 | jack_lt | do I need to be root to access that user or not? |
| 14:16.29 | jack_lt | it's for my nas server, question about security |
| 14:16.30 | ws2k3 | and i know that he logged in to change some scripts. |
| 14:16.36 | ws2k3 | so that login is secure |
| 14:17.03 | jelly | zlude: if you have securiy.debian.org repos enable, just do an aptitude update and aptitude install apache-whatever-mpm-you-have-installed |
| 14:17.21 | ws2k3 | are there any other options i can look if my machine got hacked ? |
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| 14:17.43 | jelly | quitte: I have not tested that, but in general I don't see why it would be |
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| 14:19.25 | zlude | jelly: it's don't will overwrite my configuration? |
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| 14:20.08 | jelly | zlude: how many security updates have you installed so far? They don't mess with the configuration if you don't explicitely ask them to. |
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| 14:21.42 | jelly | zlude: nevertheless, feel free to make a copy of your /etc/apache2 and compare the differences after the upgrade |
| 14:22.06 | quitte | jelly: ok. just tried with 64bit. mplabx (netbeans) remains unresponsive |
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| 14:25.50 | Mr_Bond | if they first got in there is a number of really evil things they could have done. You should probably check every file and program. For the files installed by the packages, you could check the gpg signature on the package, and compare checksums on the files from the package. For every config file you've edited you'd have to manually check. You should check netstat and simular to look for new services started. But they could still have done stuff to your h |
| 14:26.22 | jack_lt | no user right experts here? http://fpaste.org/rmaF/ |
| 14:27.27 | Mr_Bond | jack_lt: can use sudo -u rdiff-backup [command] |
| 14:27.46 | Mr_Bond | or -i/-s to do a login |
| 14:28.01 | jack_lt | Mr_Bond, ah right, but then you need to be in the sudo list right? |
| 14:28.24 | jack_lt | Mr_Bond, so if sudo isn't enabled then that is not possible |
| 14:29.40 | Mr_Bond | jack_lt: yes |
| 14:30.05 | jack_lt | Mr_Bond, I think sudo isn't enable on my server by default (Debian) |
| 14:30.15 | jack_lt | Mr_Bond, I will check, thx |
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| 14:33.37 | Arafangion | It's not. |
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| 14:42.21 | tomkralidis | hi, I'm new to debian and just installed Squeeze via netinst. What is the state of affairs on python 2.7 support? |
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| 14:53.20 | jelly | tomkralidis: not present in Debian 6 (squeeze), will be there in the next release |
| 14:53.32 | tomkralidis | jelly: thanks much |
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| 14:56.56 | danols | how can I update all updateable packages through aptitutde |
| 14:57.24 | jelly | !tell danols about upgrade |
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| 15:07.26 | Ya55en | hello |
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| 15:08.46 | Ya55en | i am new to linux and at the moment i have a short question. I am trying to install proftpd on debian 5.0 with this guide: http://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/FTP-Server_unter_Debian_einrichten the directory i choose for the user is / but the user cant enter root. "no such file or directory" and i cant edit or upload files. |
| 15:09.05 | Ya55en | someone know how to solve it? |
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| 15:10.03 | helo | Ya55en: what is the problem? |
| 15:10.07 | helo | oh is ee |
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| 15:10.34 | Ya55en | i want to enter the folder "root" with the ftp user i created. i can even see it in filezilla but if i try to go in it just says "no such file or directory" |
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| 15:10.43 | Ya55en | i use debian 5.0 |
| 15:12.13 | nkuttler | Ya55en: that sounds like a very bad idea |
| 15:12.25 | nkuttler | very very bad |
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| 15:13.10 | TheoKar | :-) |
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| 15:13.52 | Ya55en | btw i also like this irc but would build one for myself to look how everything works. |
| 15:14.16 | songmachine | hello |
| 15:14.57 | songmachine | someone speak russian? |
| 15:15.20 | nkuttler | !tell songmachine about ru |
| 15:15.21 | shaoner | so just install an ircd on your debian, you'll be able to connect to localhost |
| 15:15.37 | Ya55en | but i also need the irc :P |
| 15:15.57 | Ya55en | if you want to help me you could tell me how i can enter root :) |
| 15:16.02 | songmachine | ok....i need help with debian |
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| 15:16.14 | TheoKar | Ya55en:don#t give your |
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| 15:16.33 | TheoKar | Ya55en: Dont give your ftp root access |
| 15:16.39 | Ya55en | no i wont |
| 15:16.42 | Ya55en | i just need a hint |
| 15:17.04 | Ya55en | i used this article: http://www.thomas-krenn.com/de/wiki/FTP-Server_unter_Debian_einrichten |
| 15:17.11 | shaoner | Ya55en: as nkuttler just have told you, that sounds a very bad idea |
| 15:17.12 | Ya55en | but somehow i just cant enter root or create new directorys |
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| 15:17.18 | Ya55en | yeah but i NEED IT. |
| 15:17.22 | xreal | make-kpkg is outdated, isn't it ? |
| 15:17.44 | Ya55en | ok let me ask like this: how i can create a ftp user which can do anything? |
| 15:17.49 | shaoner | that's because your ftp user is not root |
| 15:17.51 | Ya55en | delete files, create files and so on |
| 15:17.54 | songmachine | i install debian 5 lenny and have some problem with start, when starting i see on my display "out of range" |
| 15:17.55 | nkuttler | xreal: what makes you think so? |
| 15:18.07 | nkuttler | Ya55en: stupid stupid stupid |
| 15:18.07 | Ya55en | how can i make my ftpuser root? |
| 15:18.12 | Ya55en | yeah i know |
| 15:18.15 | abrotman | songmachine: a) what's your video card b) why are you using lenny? |
| 15:18.17 | xreal | nkuttler: Someone told me that dep-pkg is the new method. |
| 15:18.18 | Ya55en | but i need it however |
| 15:18.26 | theborger | Ya55en: you need to create a user, that has access for Read,write to the dir you are letting them ftp to |
| 15:18.30 | songmachine | xorg.conf not configured, but i dont remember what need to configure |
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| 15:18.36 | helo | Ya55en: ftp is made to transfer files, ssh or something else would be better for full fs manipulation |
| 15:18.42 | theborger | Ya55en: unless you give root full access and login access via FTP and that is bad |
| 15:18.47 | abrotman | songmachine: a) what's your video card b) why are you using lenny? |
| 15:18.51 | Ya55en | yeah but please tell me |
| 15:18.53 | Ya55en | just for learning |
| 15:18.55 | Ya55en | not for doing |
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| 15:19.11 | abrotman | !ftp must die |
| 15:19.11 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 15:19.21 | abrotman | !foo |
| 15:19.21 | dpkg | well, foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 15:19.29 | abrotman | hamilton5: whatever that is .. turn it off |
| 15:19.30 | abrotman | !ftp |
| 15:19.30 | dpkg | File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about <ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 15:19.38 | songmachine | a) my video nvidia geforce gts250, b) coz is stable |
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| 15:19.51 | TheoKar | Ya55en: ftp no root access! point! if you want access to your system use ssh instead |
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| 15:20.33 | songmachine | u know i beginner in debian... |
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| 15:20.50 | xreal | nkuttler: Still here? |
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| 15:21.08 | abrotman | songmachine: actually, squeeze is stable, that's what you should be using today |
| 15:21.22 | iRabbit | abrotman +1 |
| 15:22.11 | shaoner | songmachine: if you install the nvidia driver, I'm pretty sure that it writes the xorg.conf for you |
| 15:22.35 | abrotman | he should still be using squeeze |
| 15:23.11 | xreal | Is it better to use dep-pkg or make-kpkg to build a 3.x kernel? |
| 15:23.20 | songmachine | do u mean nvidia-glx? |
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| 15:23.41 | abrotman | songmachine: please install squeeze, then come back .. you're going to have all sorts of issues with lenny, and support for lenny ends in six months |
| 15:24.09 | aminpy | http://dpaste.com/607653/ <- can anybody help me? |
| 15:24.24 | songmachine | hm.... |
| 15:24.32 | abrotman | !b-e aminpy |
| 15:24.32 | dpkg | aminpy: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | songmachine: i386 or amd64? |
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| 15:25.06 | shaoner | aminpy: take a look at the config.log |
| 15:26.03 | songmachine | can i install squeeze with use internet? i have no CD and DVD for record |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | do you have a USB drive? |
| 15:26.42 | abrotman | songmachine: does your lenny box have internet now ? |
| 15:26.43 | shaoner | he could even juste upgrade ? |
| 15:27.09 | songmachine | i386 i have.... but not sure, for amd athlon II x4 640 3.0GHz i need i386? |
| 15:27.10 | TheoKar | Ya55en: apt-get install ssh then you can log in for maintenance and use ftp for your file transfers if you need it |
| 15:27.19 | abrotman | songmachine: does the system have internet right now? |
| 15:27.21 | mutante | songmachine: do you have any OS installed right now? Windows? |
| 15:27.42 | songmachine | yes |
| 15:27.51 | abrotman | !tell songmachine about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:27.57 | songmachine | i now login on windows |
| 15:27.59 | abrotman | songmachine: see what the bot told you in msg .. read the release notes .. |
| 15:28.02 | abrotman | ugh .. |
| 15:28.06 | abrotman | too many people asking questions .. |
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| 15:28.28 | mutante | songmachine: then you could use http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 15:28.39 | abrotman | if his lenny has internet .. why would he use that? |
| 15:28.44 | mutante | ok, or listen to abrotman :) |
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| 15:29.53 | nvictor | hey all |
| 15:30.01 | nvictor | cron does not work T_T |
| 15:30.10 | nvictor | i have a used crontab -e |
| 15:30.18 | nvictor | and then nothing happens |
| 15:30.26 | songmachine | abrotman.... see what the bot told..... is dificult for me.... i cant understand, if u can write this on russian( |
| 15:30.26 | nvictor | seems my commands is not run |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | not even an editor ? |
| 15:30.40 | abrotman | songmachine: there is a russian channel on irc.oftc.net .. #debian-ru |
| 15:30.43 | songmachine | lenny i have on 5 cd |
| 15:30.55 | abrotman | !ru |
| 15:30.55 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 15:31.01 | abrotman | oh, i was close ... |
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| 15:31.47 | songmachine | debian-ru no anyone |
| 15:32.27 | songmachine | may be i can install sqeeze |
| 15:32.28 | abrotman | songmachine: on irc.oftc.net .. it's called #debian-russian |
| 15:32.33 | songmachine | from windows? |
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| 15:32.43 | abrotman | songmachine: (this network is irc.freenode.net) |
| 15:33.00 | songmachine | debian-ruusian use koi8... i cant us this...... sory gay |
| 15:33.11 | abrotman | okay .. |
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| 15:33.42 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.ru .. is that better? |
| 15:34.24 | shaoner | anyway why not a lenny upgrade to stable ? |
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| 15:37.16 | songmachine | shaoner how to upgrade? |
| 15:37.22 | Ya55en | hmm turned root login on in the proftpd.conf but cant login |
| 15:37.25 | songmachine | abrotman tnx |
| 15:37.27 | Ya55en | it says my password is incorrect |
| 15:37.29 | Ya55en | but it is right |
| 15:38.08 | songmachine | i cant install squeeze from windows.. |
| 15:38.30 | songmachine | only from cd/dvd or usb flash |
| 15:39.24 | shaoner | songmachine: by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and replacing "lenny" by "stable", then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:40.40 | songmachine | its all what i neeed? change lenny for stable and use upgrade command in tty1? |
| 15:41.30 | Ex-Opesa | Debian rotate's logs of /var/log by default can I have more info regarding this? |
| 15:41.33 | songmachine | on core2duo based system i have no any prob with xserver or somthing |
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| 15:42.10 | Ex-Opesa | It rotates log of every file and sub directory files, which program debian uses to do that? Where can I configure it? |
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| 15:42.58 | shaoner | songmachine: yes it is. |
| 15:43.35 | songmachine | so...ok, tnxfull for all helps, lets try |
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| 15:44.50 | mosno | i vaguely remember the xfce 4.6 battery status program being broken for me in squeeze. does it work okay for anyone? |
| 15:45.24 | mosno | or i there a better alternative? i'm thinking gnome-power-manager but i'm trying to avoid gnome heavyness |
| 15:45.43 | mosno | (just planning a reinstall and wondering which desktop to use basically) |
| 15:46.42 | songmachine | oh... one more question, how can i check out my debian version.... upgrade from lenny to squeeze or not? |
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| 15:48.32 | fbs | how do i get automounting to work on debian wheezy + xfce4.8 ? |
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| 15:49.42 | nvictor | cron is not running |
| 15:49.47 | nvictor | maybe i'm not doing it right |
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| 15:54.49 | aminpy | abrotman, thanks |
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| 16:03.09 | matiasjrossi | hi all. We have a debian squeeze server in our office LAN, and we need to set it up as a router with multiple outbound routes. The thing is, I am planning to write some init scripts to accomplish that, but then I wondered if there is a policy or preferred way for such setup. Any pointers? |
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| 16:05.17 | nkuttler | matiasjrossi: i usually write post-up scripts for ifupdown |
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| 16:06.37 | Pradyumna | I have installed web server along with installation |
| 16:06.55 | Pradyumna | How to create new files and start developing |
| 16:07.10 | Pradyumna | the folder www does not allow me to create new files |
| 16:07.45 | nkuttler | Pradyumna: well change the permissions so that you can rw |
| 16:08.01 | Pradyumna | Noob here |
| 16:08.11 | nkuttler | !tell Pradyumna about permissions |
| 16:08.23 | nkuttler | !tell Pradyumna about grounding |
| 16:08.30 | friese | usually its enough to add your user to group www-data |
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| 16:09.15 | songmachine | hi... |
| 16:10.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | nkuttler: whats the default ftp director for vsftpd in debian? |
| 16:10.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | for redhat systems its /var/ftp |
| 16:10.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | seems like it doesnt exists |
| 16:10.52 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | *directory |
| 16:11.05 | songmachine | abrotman here? |
| 16:11.33 | nkuttler | sh4d3sl4y3r_: please ask the channel |
| 16:11.52 | TheoKar | Ya55en: for which purposse do you need root access for ftp user? |
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| 16:12.57 | matiasjrossi | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 16:15.53 | songmachine | so... i think i upgraded to squeeze, but nothin happened.... problem with "out of range" on display |
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| 16:16.52 | shbk | hello, does anybody know where can i find information about my keyboard,motherboard,video card, peripheral devices? for example I found info about processor (/proc/cpuinfo),RAM(/proc/meminfo) |
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| 16:17.48 | mutante | shbk: know "lspci" yet? |
| 16:17.59 | nkuttler | songmachine: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:18.14 | songmachine | grep? what it is? |
| 16:18.28 | shbk | I must use c++ to get info, so lspci isn't my choice |
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| 16:18.40 | nkuttler | songmachine: if in doubt try man foo, apropos foo, apt-cache search foo, google "foo" etc.. |
| 16:19.25 | mohak | what is foo |
| 16:19.37 | nkuttler | !foo |
| 16:19.37 | dpkg | it has been said that foo is the probably first <metasyntactic variable>, it's a placeholder for some other term. See http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 16:19.41 | TheoKar | :-)) |
| 16:20.19 | songmachine | foo? i need only see my grafical desktop:) |
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| 16:20.46 | fir3 | hi |
| 16:21.06 | songmachine | may be someone can show normal xorg.conf? |
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| 16:21.14 | songmachine | fir3 hi |
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| 16:22.08 | jhutchins_lt | songmachine: Content for most stable systems: |
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| 16:22.23 | songmachine | and.... what adress of nvidia driver? what i need to write in sources.list? |
| 16:22.25 | fir3 | i migrated my rootfs/home-partition from lvm to normal partitions. i changed my fstab.conf and ran update-grub2. but when i start the migrated system it tries to activate the lvm resulting in an error, what do i have to change to disable lvm? |
| 16:22.33 | nkuttler | !tell songmachine about nvidia |
| 16:22.52 | nkuttler | songmachine: the commands the bots gives you are supposed to be run from a shell in a terminal |
| 16:23.00 | nkuttler | like grep.. |
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| 16:23.44 | songmachine | i need repository nvidia-glx |
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| 16:24.00 | dokma | hey guyz, I've just noticed a php5 binary in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ and it looks a bit strange to me |
| 16:24.08 | dokma | what is that thing doing there? |
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| 16:24.44 | fir3 | "root on LVM requires an initrd image that activates the root LV." ok maybe the issue lies somewhere there... |
| 16:25.29 | mutante | shbk: hmm.. /proc/devices. How about you get the source of "hwinfo" (apt-get source .. ?) and look at its code ? |
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| 16:26.59 | Xgamerz | which ftp recommended in debian |
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| 16:27.18 | mohak | which package is used for recover data |
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| 16:28.50 | nkuttler | mohak: recover data? i like backuppc |
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| 16:30.06 | mutante | Xgamerz: as a client: ncftp |
| 16:30.07 | songmachine | gays.... where in xorg.conf can write 1280x1024 and 60gz? |
| 16:30.15 | Xgamerz | mutante server |
| 16:30.32 | mutante | Xgamerz: i would use scp if sshd is running anyways and avoid it |
| 16:30.53 | mohak | how to speed up torrent |
| 16:31.01 | mutante | Xgamerz: or i could randomly say "vsftpd" |
| 16:31.24 | Xgamerz | ok |
| 16:31.25 | Xgamerz | thks |
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| 16:32.48 | songmachine | hello... |
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| 16:35.18 | fir3_ | fixed my lvm problem.. update-initramfs -u :) |
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| 16:39.16 | cire | I want to backup a directory via rsync, but I have a problem with symlinks. DIR/A/B -> DIR/C, and DIR/C/D -> DIR/A, so I get a circle when applying -L option. Do you know how to avoid that? |
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| 16:43.45 | mohak | i want to recover my all data from sdcard |
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| 16:47.37 | cahoot | try photorec |
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| 16:48.41 | fasta | If I click on my 'personal folder', it gets opened with the wrong application. How can I tell it to open it with nautilus? |
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| 16:53.53 | abrotman | songbleh |
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| 17:02.31 | patrickdunsten | Hello. Does Debian have Java 1.7 packaged? I can't see it listed for stable or for testing. Beginner with Debian so not sure if I'm even looking in the right places. Thanks. |
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| 17:03.22 | jelly-home | patrickdunsten: there's openjdk 7, but not any Oracle build |
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| 17:03.26 | gucko | hi guys |
| 17:03.37 | gucko | how can I change the Download Server from command-line? |
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| 17:04.13 | abrotman | gucko: download server? |
| 17:04.27 | gucko | the repositories server |
| 17:04.34 | gucko | where packages are downloaded |
| 17:04.35 | abrotman | gucko: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:04.36 | patrickdunsten | jelly-home: That's great. Do you have a second to point me to where it's listed? When I search for JDK on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages I just see 1.6, so I post me looking in the wrong place. |
| 17:04.44 | abrotman | gucko: also see debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 17:05.10 | abrotman | gucko: and man sources.list |
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| 17:05.55 | Merdam | what is the main difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 17:06.34 | abrotman | Merdam: ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:07.06 | Merdam | ok better yet... Why would one choose debian over ubuntu? |
| 17:07.12 | Merdam | They are both linux, the same thing right? |
| 17:07.22 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 17:07.22 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 17:07.53 | Merdam | looks like the same as ubuntu |
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| 17:08.07 | Merdam | anyhow |
| 17:08.13 | Merdam | I might install it on a box and compare |
| 17:08.15 | Merdam | :D |
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| 17:09.05 | cahoot | never by a Rolex on the street Merdam |
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| 17:09.19 | cahoot | s/by/buy/ |
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| 17:10.22 | songmachine | someone can give repository with nvidia drivers? |
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| 17:10.44 | abrotman | dpkg: tell songmachine about nvidia |
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| 17:11.36 | Super_moose | hi - i want to install debian testing, so that I can get modern software, but i can't see any isos apart from a default installer. how do i install testing? |
| 17:12.09 | abrotman | Super_moose: you can install stable then upgrade to testing if you really want |
| 17:12.40 | neil_m | Super_moose, install debian then edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:12.50 | somiaj | Super_moose: have you looked into backports for the few things of software you want that are modern? Do you realize testing can break, you get terrible security updates and the likes (hopefully this is not a production server) |
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| 17:13.24 | Super_moose | I need GHC (Haskell compiler) 7.x, and stable only seems to have 6.x |
| 17:13.40 | songmachine | i need repository only.... |
| 17:13.43 | Super_moose | It's a workstation |
| 17:14.09 | abrotman | songmachine: you hvae to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the 'contrib' and 'non-free' to the end of each line .. let us know when that's done |
| 17:14.38 | zophy | i lub muh deb |
| 17:15.01 | songmachine | what line? |
| 17:15.12 | abrotman | songmachine: all of them ? |
| 17:15.13 | songmachine | i need to install nvidia-glx |
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| 17:15.36 | songmachine | i have contrib and non-free |
| 17:15.46 | somiaj | Super_moose: if that is the only thing you need, why don't you just make a backport of that one package? /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 17:15.58 | abrotman | songmachine: did you 'aptitude update' ? |
| 17:16.12 | songmachine | yes |
| 17:16.15 | somiaj | songmachine: is this for stable or testing/unstable? |
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| 17:16.31 | songmachine | i dont know... |
| 17:16.58 | somiaj | nvidia-glx has had a name change in sid, its now libgl1-nvidia-glx (but for stable its nvidia-glx) |
| 17:17.16 | somiaj | songmachine: look at your sources.list, are you getting sources for 'squeeze/stable' or testing/wheezy or unstable/sid |
| 17:17.18 | abrotman | songmachine: apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) .. does that command work for you ? |
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| 17:18.15 | songmachine | look..... now i on windows os, i need just know what repository need to write to sources.list for download nvidia drivers, thats all |
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| 17:19.00 | somiaj | songmachine: you just need 'non-free' added to your current list. But you should pay attention to what version of debian you are running (hopefully its stable) |
| 17:19.02 | abrotman | songmachine: this would be easier if you would IRC from linux |
| 17:19.11 | abrotman | somiaj: he was pointed at squeeze earlier |
| 17:19.14 | somiaj | songmachine: reboot into linux, irc from there so you can get output, try thigns we suggested. |
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| 17:19.25 | somiaj | abrotman: ahh ok. I was just double checking. |
| 17:19.31 | IamTrying | I bought a card which is Intensity pro PCI card. I connect that card where i have Fedora 14, it shows device is detected using lspci but i cant use it. I have to change my distro to Debian or its all same? None will work? |
| 17:19.49 | slav3_kitten | odd question, why does my tftpd server return an access violation when i attempt to put files on it instead of get them? |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | IamTrying: what kind of card is it? do you have the pci id? |
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| 17:20.30 | IamTrying | abrotman, https://gist.github.com/1188561 |
| 17:20.35 | songmachine | what adress need to write in sources list for download nvidia driver? |
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| 17:20.41 | IamTrying | abrotman, 04:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Blackmagic Design Device a117 |
| 17:21.02 | abrotman | PCI ID? |
| 17:21.02 | somiaj | IamTrying: Just because it doesn't work by default on Fedora isn't totally saying it won't work in linux (debian in this case) -- I would check what version of alsa you need for that auido card |
| 17:21.19 | somiaj | songmachine: the address doesn't change you just need to have the 'non-free' option at the end. |
| 17:21.55 | songmachine | ok non-free.... what line must have this option? |
| 17:22.07 | d8bhatta | Hello everybody, I need to put two config files into httpd but the command I have is need to run this command sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_rails.* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/. |
| 17:22.08 | d8bhatta | I want to run this command in httpd where there is no mods-enabled folder . I can create their manually but I wonder It works |
| 17:22.13 | somiaj | songmachine: you should really only have one or two source lines, the main one for squeeze. |
| 17:22.31 | somiaj | songmachine: why don't you give us a copy of your sources.list file please. |
| 17:22.40 | songmachine | why i cant see nvidia glx in packeges? in aptitude for exemple? |
| 17:22.40 | d8bhatta | Any help or idea is appreciated! |
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| 17:23.06 | somiaj | songmachine: please give us your source.list file, can't say why you can't see it if you have done all we have suggested. |
| 17:23.07 | abrotman | IamTrying: lspci -nn |
| 17:23.21 | abrotman | somiaj: might be easier if you speak russian :/ |
| 17:23.26 | songmachine | how can i give u copy of sources.list? |
| 17:23.40 | somiaj | songmachine: paste.debian.net (you need to get a copy from your linux install first) |
| 17:23.42 | IamTrying | abrotman, https://gist.github.com/1189212 |
| 17:23.48 | somiaj | abrotman: :/ |
| 17:24.00 | d8bhatta | I need to put two config files into httpd but the command I have is need to run this command sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/mod_rails.* /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/. want to run this command in httpd where there is no mods-enabled folder . I can create their manually but I wonder It works |
| 17:24.03 | songmachine | jr |
| 17:24.29 | abrotman | IamTrying: uh .. do i completely not see it ? |
| 17:24.40 | songmachine | ok.... but now im in windows and i can only in windows used browser and irs |
| 17:24.58 | songmachine | how can i find sources.list from windows in debian? |
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| 17:25.16 | abrotman | songmachine: it's /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:25.27 | IamTrying | abrotman, sorry i put my laptop 1 there sorry, here it is ("04:00.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Blackmagic Design Device [bdbd:a117]") : https://gist.github.com/1189212 |
| 17:25.31 | songmachine | its in linux |
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| 17:25.33 | neoice | so I found the Debian Lenny cdmirror site, but I'd really like to try and pick a mirror closer to me. any tips? I can't just browse mirrors since I need to grab Lenny. |
| 17:25.39 | songmachine | but i need in windows |
| 17:26.04 | songmachine | i cant give this file if ive been in linux |
| 17:26.10 | jhutchins_lt | neoice: Physical proximity doesn't correlate with network proximity or wiht performance. |
| 17:26.30 | neoice | no, it doesnt, but downloading from Sweden when I'm in the US generally results in poor performance |
| 17:26.32 | abrotman | judd: pciid bdbd:a117 |
| 17:26.33 | judd | [bdbd:a117] is 'Unknown device' from 'Blackmagic Design' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=bdbd:a117 |
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| 17:26.44 | slav3_kitten | any ideas on the tdtpd? |
| 17:26.53 | joeytwiddle | i'm now on wheezy/sid. a while ago Chromium was renicing inactive tabs, but it seems to have stopped. anyone else noticed that? |
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| 17:27.00 | abrotman | IamTrying: even if you had kernel support, might not have xorg support .. |
| 17:27.22 | songmachine | man.... my xserver doesnt work.... and i many hours dont know how can solve this problem |
| 17:27.35 | IamTrying | abrotman, will that be same if i switch to Debian too? |
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| 17:28.06 | IamTrying | abrotman, all my hardwares i am returning back to the suppliers as long as i am using Fedora 14/15 always i have driver issues. |
| 17:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | neoice: I get better performance from the Swiss mirrors for Mandriva than from anything here in the U.S. |
| 17:28.22 | abrotman | IamTrying: maybe you should check support before ordering it :) |
| 17:29.02 | IamTrying | abrotman, yes there support was welcoming me to buy it for fedora i did inquery. And now i report them and now they are saying Fedora 13 is supported the rest is never going to be supported. |
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| 17:31.15 | somiaj | IamTrying: some companies make custom drivers, but I'd look for open support in the kernel (otherwise you run into they only support a very very paticular setup) |
| 17:31.17 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: Is this some kind of special hardware? |
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| 17:32.01 | IamTrying | somiaj, it says no debian in there list can it be ? http://www.blackmagic-design.com/media/11201/DeckLink_Linux_7.9.4.txt |
| 17:32.42 | IamTrying | jhutchins_lt, i want to use it for my Playstation 3 capture and watch TV in my Fedora but does not work in Fedora. |
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| 17:33.07 | Mogget | Question: I have 8GB of RAM, Debian "uses" ish 500MB even though residental and virtual memory uses alot more. |
| 17:33.26 | jhutchins_lt | Mogget: What good would unused ram do you? |
| 17:33.32 | abrotman | IamTrying: did the patch go mainstream ? |
| 17:33.38 | Mogget | Why doesnt the kernel use all the memory so that it doesnt need to swap all the time from harddrive? |
| 17:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | Mogget: Ah, excuse me, I misunderstood. |
| 17:33.46 | somiaj | IamTrying: with their custom kernel and xorg driver you may be able to get it work in debian, they just don't support debian. But with out opensource drivers debian won't support it either (again this doesn't mean you can't get it to work) |
| 17:33.50 | jhutchins_lt | Mogget: Which kernel do you have? |
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| 17:34.01 | somiaj | IamTrying: since kernel and xorg are similar in both -- problem could just be version compadability. |
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| 17:34.09 | fasta | How do I run a new wine on top of Debian Stable? There are no backported packages, compiling from git gives about 7 dependencies which are too old in Debian Stable and some other obscure option also didn't work. |
| 17:34.13 | Mogget | jhutchins_lt: squeeze default kernel |
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| 17:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: So what is it you need? HDMI video capture? |
| 17:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | Mogget: 32 or 64? |
| 17:34.46 | Mogget | jhutchins_lt: 64 |
| 17:34.53 | IamTrying | jhutchins_lt, yes |
| 17:34.57 | andihit | any info when there will be a postgis package for postgres 9.0? |
| 17:35.31 | IamTrying | somiaj, i bought first there Intensity shuttle (USB 3.0) that did not worked. I returned it and after 1 week got PCI express Intensity pro. That also does not work now. |
| 17:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: Perhaps there is another device that is supported, but HDMI support in OS software is difficult, it is designed not to be controlable by the user. |
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| 17:36.16 | somiaj | fasta: as I said you are mostly on your own to make it work. Better question, what are you trying to do that needs the newest wine? |
| 17:36.42 | jhutchins_lt | Mogget: That should be able to use all 8G, not sure what the problem could be. |
| 17:36.51 | fasta | somiaj: I likely don't need the newest, but in my experience, newer is better with wine. |
| 17:36.58 | fasta | somiaj: but the one in Stable is too old. |
| 17:37.03 | IamTrying | jhutchins_lt, ok but i am not a large company to steal hdmi. I am regular user i want Playstation 3 and TV in my computer. So after research i found Blackmagic intensity series is the best. But in linux none of those works. |
| 17:37.05 | fasta | somiaj: I need DirectX 9 support. |
| 17:37.33 | Mogget | jhutchins_lt: could it be that it is using all the memory but top, htop and ps doesnt report it? |
| 17:37.50 | abrotman | IamTrying: your choices are either to talk to blackmagic, or find a developer that you would like to loan the card to perhaps, or buy them one |
| 17:37.51 | somiaj | fasta: is there dx9 support in 1.2.3 (instead of their unstablee branch?) |
| 17:38.01 | somiaj | fasta: have you rtied to compile that version instead? |
| 17:38.18 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: They only release binaries, not source, right? |
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| 17:38.45 | _cynep | hey 2 all |
| 17:38.46 | IamTrying | jhutchins_lt, not so sure * Tarball for expert/custom installation (or re-packaging). |
| 17:38.49 | _cynep | need help |
| 17:38.52 | somiaj | fasta: again I don't know when wine put dx9 support in. but 1.2.3 may compile easier |
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| 17:39.55 | _cynep | compile ipp2p and have error : http://87.120.216.222/err |
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| 17:40.36 | drygravytrain | moggot: what do you get from running free -m? |
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| 17:42.23 | IamTrying | jhutchins_lt, this is the driver and all detail page, http://www.blackmagic-design.com/support/detail/?sid=3947&pid=3989&os=linux&leg=0 |
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| 17:46.58 | IamTrying | Every time i try hard to use Linux completely, and everytime those drivers issue push/force me to go to Windows, i hate this. I cant run this hardware, i dont find anywhere any drivers nor source codes. |
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| 17:47.12 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: Your question is whether it will help if you change from Fedora 14 to Debian? |
| 17:47.37 | IamTrying | jhutchins_lt, i want to permanently move my Fedora 14 to Debian if it works in anyway. |
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| 17:48.43 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: My suggestion would be to try it on Ubuntu 10.04 - that is explicitly supported. |
| 17:48.58 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: You can try Debian, but things might not work perfectly. |
| 17:49.14 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: They appear to support Debian indirectly. |
| 17:49.36 | somiaj | IamTrying: pekser the support team to release its specs so the kernel and xorg devs can make good drivers for the card. (: |
| 17:49.49 | theborger | .win 7 |
| 17:49.52 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: You really have two choices here: Find someone who's tried it (perhaps Blackmagic has support forums?) or try it your self. |
| 17:49.54 | somiaj | IamTrying: though jhutchins_lt gave you the better and saner option. (: |
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| 17:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | somiaj: It appears that the company has released the source code and actively supports Linux. |
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| 17:51.09 | somiaj | jhutchins_lt: oh not just releasing binaries, guess I should have read the link instead of assumed the norm from a few years ago. Thanks. |
| 17:51.10 | IamTrying | jhutchins_kc, somiaj my best OS was Fedora i love it, was using so many years. But every time i buy a hardware it does not work in my Fedora box, i am kind of fade up with this trying to decide a backup OS now which really supports my hardware and which is Linux. |
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| 17:51.56 | somiaj | IamTrying: with the linux kernel as the base, there really isn't that much of a difference what hardware is supported. |
| 17:52.36 | somiaj | IamTrying: usually if its supported in the kernel (and xorg for a video card) is enough. There is just slight differences on libary version which could cause unexpected errors. |
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| 17:53.18 | somiaj | IamTrying: i.e. switching to debian or ubuntu won't nescirally fix the problem you are having. |
| 17:53.33 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: Obviously most of us think that the Debian experience is more satisfying and less frustrating than Fedora, but you really have to try it for yourself to see if you like it better. |
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| 17:54.09 | wols_ | IamTrying: buy linux supported hardware. over the years I found out if I do that, I avoid a lot of shitty sub-par hardware strangely. linux supported hardware is almost always better qualitatively than cheaper, windows only stuff |
| 17:54.35 | wols_ | buying hardware and then check if it runs under linux is the wrong way to approach the problem |
| 17:54.50 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: fwiw his hardware does have explicit Linux support (and pretty good support it looks like). |
| 17:55.00 | wols_ | then what is his problem? |
| 17:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Fedora |
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| 17:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Company doesn't yet support 14. |
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| 17:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: I would suggest you try Ubuntu 10.04 first, and see if it works well there. If it does, you can compare the kernel in 10.04 to the ones in various Debian releases, and try the closest one. |
| 17:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: If _that_ works, and you like Debian, you can try updating the the latest stable Debian release - but if you started with oldstable, make a backup so you can return if it doesn't work. |
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| 17:59.21 | IamTrying | Ok, thats great hope jhutchins_lt, i want to do this test. This PCI card and its USB 3.0 was very reliable hardware for Linux. But i am very disappointed with there driver issues. Before i buy 1 shuttle and 1 pro i really asked them about my Fedora they confirmed me but now they dont know themselves i have issue in F14/15 and still no idea Debian latest version can help for this. |
| 18:00.28 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: One of your problems is that you are running newer versions of Fedora than the development team has been able to work with so far. |
| 18:01.02 | jhutchins_lt | IamTrying: if you insist on having the latest version of everything, you're going to have to learn to compile software from scratch. |
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| 18:04.21 | jelly-home | is it really scratch if you have diff.gz and dsc for previous release and uupdate? |
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| 18:05.07 | jelly-home | this doesn't really apply to kernel drivers I guess, which are more of a hit-and-miss |
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| 18:06.27 | ChristianV | Hi, what's the best way to create a backup of my root partition? I'd like to periodically create backups of it. I had the thought of using rsync with an include/exluces list in order not to copy anything from /proc and the likes, however, I don't know whether that is such a smart idea while the FS may actively be written to at the same time. |
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| 18:07.24 | somiaj | fasta: made a sqeeuze chroot, wine 1.2.3 seems to compile just fine after running 'apt-get build-dep wine' -- I get a few errors about v4l not supported and other stuff due to 32bit libs, but unless you need those features you can compile that version of wine just fine in squeeze. |
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| 18:07.36 | somiaj | fasta: its not done, but I'm not expecting any errors (running amd64 here) |
| 18:07.43 | enthdegree | Is there a light version of debian |
| 18:08.07 | enthdegree | like, a version that doesn have a bunch of stuff installed |
| 18:08.09 | somiaj | enthdegree: define light? You can install a debian base system (its a few hunder megs but no X and no real software) |
| 18:08.19 | somiaj | enthdegree: from the base system you can install only the pacakges you want on top of it |
| 18:08.27 | somiaj | so you can ignore gnome (I don't have gnome or kde on my system) |
| 18:08.31 | somiaj | my install is about 4gigs |
| 18:08.45 | enthdegree | nice, this is what I´m looking for |
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| 18:08.46 | somiaj | with x, libreoffice, web browsing, gimp, wine and other stuff |
| 18:08.53 | somiaj | when you install from the install cd |
| 18:09.00 | jhutchins_lt | enthdegree: You can do a minimal install and add only what you want. |
| 18:09.05 | somiaj | say 'no' to tasksel and installing extra pacakgeas and just only add what youw ant. |
| 18:09.23 | enthdegree | are there any issues upgrading |
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| 18:10.12 | somiaj | what do you mean upgrading? Yes there can always be issues upgrading from one debian to another, but I don't run into many |
| 18:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | enthdegree: Upgrading what to what? |
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| 18:10.49 | enthdegree | major releases (well then again Iĺl probably be using a new computer by the time a new debian comes around) |
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| 18:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | enthdegree: Both "almost always" and "almost never" are true. |
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| 18:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | enthdegree: There is almost always something, and almost never bothers most people. |
| 18:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | enthdegree: Debian is reputed to have the best, best tested upgrade system around. |
| 18:13.05 | somiaj | most bugs are also recoerable (though making a backup first is always suggested) |
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| 18:14.03 | somiaj | enthdegree: this is of course assuming you are upgrading from oldstable -> newstable at the time |
| 18:14.06 | somiaj | enthdegree: testing and unstable upgrades are not tested and as such break far more often |
| 18:14.31 | IamTrying | If manufacturer does not provide drivers because of evil mind. Can a developer independently make his own driver in Debian/Fedora? Lets say i want to do myself as a project and learn how to make my own driver in linux. |
| 18:14.43 | enthdegree | awesome, I highly doubt Iĺl have any isses there then |
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| 18:15.44 | shbk | hello, does anybody know where can i find information about my keyboard,motherboard,video card, peripheral devices? for example I found info about processor (/proc/cpuinfo),RAM(/proc/meminfo). I want to do this using c/c++ |
| 18:15.50 | enthdegree | also how ´old´ is stable? Is it like gimp 2.4 old or does it get normal updates |
| 18:15.52 | somiaj | IamTrying: debian doesn't lock anything away from you, all source code is available, so you can do a lot with debian (if it then gets put into debian offical is up the the quality of your changes and the debian team) |
| 18:16.18 | abrotman | somiaj: all the source code in main/contrib .. |
| 18:16.20 | somiaj | enthdegree: it will never get a version update of a package. What is in it now is what you have avail (only updates are bugfixes/security fixes) |
| 18:16.25 | somiaj | abrotman: thanks...:D |
| 18:16.42 | somiaj | enthdegree: but with 'backports' you can get the newer version of the few pieces of software you may want/need |
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| 18:17.02 | enthdegree | geh.. I guess Ill just use unstable |
| 18:17.20 | somiaj | enthdegree: many backports will be pre made and installable via the backport repos, but you can also compile from source and make your own. |
| 18:17.49 | IamTrying | somiaj, thats much better distro its freedom of coders. I do what i do, but in fedora i get always blocked cant compile one package because it needs a new version another new version need another old version kind of cross spider, if i can get out of that i think i can make my stuffs myself too. |
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| 18:18.13 | somiaj | enthdegree: if you have enver used debian, use stable for a while, get use to the admin tools, how debian does stuff. Running unstable you will need to fix things and if you don't know how debian does things its a pain. |
| 18:19.13 | enthdegree | Ok well thanks for the insight |
| 18:19.15 | somiaj | IamTrying: you can run into those issues and debian stable is considered 'old' by some, but if you know what your doing its really not that much of a limitation. Most people don't really need the newest (though in your case cause of hardware issues you may and ubuntu may just get better support) |
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| 18:19.33 | iluminator101 | i am looking for geoip kernelspace module for debian? |
| 18:20.02 | IamTrying | somiaj, excellent thank you |
| 18:20.13 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: What would such a module do? |
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| 18:20.43 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt, geoip block |
| 18:21.00 | wols_ | and why would one need a kernel module for that exactly? |
| 18:21.01 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Ah, you mean for iptables. |
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| 18:21.22 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Simpler to just block know IP range. |
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| 18:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Country-based_packet_filtering_with_iptables/print |
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| 18:23.59 | jhutchins_lt | Note that that is for Etch. There doesn't appear to be much demaind for this feature. |
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| 18:24.11 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt, thanks....this is temporary until i get add pfsense to an old firebox |
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| 18:25.57 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: Here is something for squeeze (which I have not read) http://william.shallum.net/random-notes/iptables-and-geoip-on-debian-squeeze |
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| 18:27.03 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt, very niice i like that article a lot |
| 18:27.04 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions xtables-addons-common |
| 18:27.04 | judd | Package xtables-addons-common on i386 -- squeeze: 1.26-2+b1; sid: 1.37-1; wheezy: 1.37-1 |
| 18:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | iluminator101: That's what you're looking for. |
| 18:27.35 | iluminator101 | jhutchins_lt, yes thanks you are the best |
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| 18:32.21 | ChristianV | Hi, what's the best way to create a backup of my root partition? I'd like to periodically create backups of it. I had the thought of using rsync with an include/exluces list in order not to copy anything from /proc and the likes, however, I don't know whether that is such a smart idea while the FS may actively be written to at the same time. |
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| 18:32.44 | ChristianV | I'd like to be able to create that backup, while the computer is running from that partition |
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| 18:34.11 | mutante | guess you could remount it to another place, read-only, and rsync from there |
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| 18:35.37 | nkuttler | ChristianV: i like backuppc |
| 18:35.43 | mutante | you might like "rsnapshot" |
| 18:36.10 | ChristianV | mutante: but wouldn't remounting it as readonly disrupt current process from writing to it? |
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| 18:38.26 | jhutchins_lt | ChristianV: Yes. |
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| 18:40.21 | jelly-home | ChristianV: file-based backups of a system / are usually good enough. If you require consistency, you could use LVM snapshots |
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| 18:41.09 | jelly-home | ie. take a snapshot, mount it someplace else (read-only or not, doesn't matter), backup _that_ copy, umount and destroy the snapshot |
| 18:41.54 | ChristianV | hmm, I see, to do that, I'd need to run my root partition of an LVM volume though, which I'm not currently doing, but I guess I could change that |
| 18:42.19 | jelly-home | yeah, that's the unfortunate prequisite |
| 18:42.34 | jelly-home | also, some free slack space in the volume group for snapshot |
| 18:42.35 | ChristianV | and I'd need to tamper with initrd... |
| 18:43.32 | ChristianV | but you said file-based backups are usually good enough... so I could just run one of these backup tools? |
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| 18:43.56 | jelly-home | debian's initramfs lvm support is good enough, except the boot root= parameter only takes /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname path, not the canonical LVM /dev/vgname/lvname |
| 18:44.02 | jelly-home | ChristianV: yes |
| 18:44.15 | ChristianV | ah, debian already has that by default? nice |
| 18:44.34 | blubberdi | jelly-home, or UUID |
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| 18:44.39 | jelly-home | blubberdi: fuck no |
| 18:44.53 | jelly-home | uuids should die in a ditch |
| 18:45.07 | mutante | there is a "mylvmbackup" package, btw |
| 18:45.18 | ChristianV | jelly-home: why is that? Unless you use LVM; aren't UUIDs very practical to always get the proper partiton mounted? |
| 18:45.18 | jelly-home | but technically I guess it maybe works ;-) |
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| 18:45.52 | jelly-home | ChristianV: can you remember the correct UUID to fix the boot process when something goes wrong? |
| 18:46.02 | blubberdi | jelly-home, uuids work quite well for me for my logical volumes. i like them better, but i guess it's a matter of taste |
| 18:46.06 | ChristianV | I suppose not |
| 18:46.12 | jelly-home | I prefer labels |
| 18:46.35 | jelly-home | uuids are pretty much useless for human usage, and uglify many a config file |
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| 18:47.00 | jhutchins_lt | You know, there's nothing to keep you from setting your UUID to 1234. |
| 18:47.29 | jelly-home | except... it's never 1234 but 0000-00000000-0000-0000-1234 or similar |
| 18:47.41 | jelly-home | unsightly |
| 18:47.47 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Yes, but you can set it to 1234 - or to 1 for that matter. |
| 18:48.07 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: does UUID=1234 work? |
| 18:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Sure. |
| 18:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Instead of using a utility to generate a random UUID, you just set it directly. |
| 18:48.42 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: I still prefer LABEL=root |
| 18:48.50 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Of course, then it's not "Unique", but it works. |
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| 18:49.34 | jelly-home | but if you say you tried booting with UUID=1234 and it worked, hey, very nice |
| 18:49.41 | jelly-home | I mean, root=UUID=1234 |
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| 18:52.43 | Challapradyumna | What would be a decent size of partition for trying Debian? |
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| 18:54.18 | boudiccas | Challapradyumna; depends on what you want to use it for? |
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| 18:54.38 | Challapradyumna | Learning linux |
| 18:54.39 | jelly-home | Challapradyumna: a complete desktop environment or two to try? I gave mine 20GB but even a half of that will work |
| 18:55.06 | jelly-home | and a further 2GB for a separate swap partition |
| 18:55.20 | Challapradyumna | What will a swap partiton will do? |
| 18:55.29 | Challapradyumna | is it necessary? |
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| 18:55.41 | jelly-home | enable hibernation and swapping without too much fuss |
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| 18:56.20 | jelly-home | Challapradyumna: it's a typical setup. Not strictly necessary but very common |
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| 18:58.20 | Challapradyumna | Can i get my windows installation back if grub goes bad? |
| 18:59.21 | jelly-home | easily if you have the windows installation disk |
| 18:59.33 | Challapradyumna | k |
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| 19:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | Challapradyumna: A backup is always a good idea. |
| 19:00.32 | somiaj | Challapradyumna: you need to have space to put data if your memory fills (called a page file in windows) -- a partition is just a better method (also if you hibernate your computer, the memory is written to the swap partition so it can be recorvered on restart) |
| 19:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | Challapradyumna: Many people use the installer to create a new partition and install linux to "dual-boot", so you can go back and forth between Windows and Linux |
| 19:00.53 | somiaj | Challapradyumna: you can use a swap file in linux similar to windows, just not default. |
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| 19:01.29 | Challapradyumna | yeah thinking of dual boot |
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| 19:12.28 | shirish | hi all, I have the following alias in my .bashrc alias aptu='sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' , now I want to make sure that there is some time lag, say 2-3 seconds time lag between one command the other, is that possible. If yes, then how ? |
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| 19:15.12 | jhutchins_lt | shirish: First, you probably want to use && instead of ; |
| 19:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | shirish: Next, use the sleep command for a delay (man sleep). |
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| 19:17.31 | shirish | jhutchins_lt: thank you. do you know by any chance if I can prettify or make it look good in .bashrc ? the aptu alias. |
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| 19:18.03 | jhutchins_lt | shirish: I think that's about as "pretty" as you'll get. |
| 19:18.04 | bzed | shirish: make a function out of it?> |
| 19:19.39 | shirish | jhutchins_lt: bzed: any idea how can I make a space happen between the two commands perhaps, so that one commands ends and there is a space and then the next command begins. |
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| 19:19.55 | somiaj | shirish: you could just write a script instead of using an alias. |
| 19:20.10 | somiaj | shirish: I put such scripts in $HOME/bin and add that to my $PATH. |
| 19:20.36 | somiaj | shirish: and you were told 'man sleep' |
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| 19:21.01 | shirish | somiaj: doing that, or atleast trying to do that. |
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| 19:24.48 | shirish | that did it, thanx guys. I had to figure it out but cool. Would have to study the sleep command a bit more than. |
| 19:24.54 | shirish | :) |
| 19:25.28 | mutante | shirish: apt-cache show cron.apt |
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| 19:43.25 | deadbeef | hello guys where do i find more informations about this new UBUNTU fork named DEBIAN |
| 19:43.53 | deadbeef | why you guys decide to base your distribution on UBUNTU rather than more evolved distributions such as GENTOO or ARCH |
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| 19:48.26 | robokop | is there an easy way to see if you have packages installed with known bugs? |
| 19:48.32 | abrotman | apt-listbugs ? |
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| 19:51.49 | twobitsprite | troll fail |
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| 19:59.19 | xqix9u2v | how do i install this UBUNTU! |
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| 20:00.15 | Pradyumna | How to create a live usb for installing debian ? |
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| 20:00.23 | Msk | #clubIRC |
| 20:00.31 | Pradyumna | Lili or Pendrive linux does not support |
| 20:00.33 | Pradyumna | it |
| 20:00.43 | th0r | xqix9u2v: you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:00.48 | twobitsprite | !tell Pradyumna about usb |
| 20:00.58 | twobitsprite | !tell Pradyumna about usb install |
| 20:00.59 | twobitsprite | sorry |
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| 20:01.12 | twobitsprite | and then check out |
| 20:01.16 | twobitsprite | !tell Pradyumna about live |
| 20:02.09 | xqix9u2v | is it the same as doing WINDOWS! |
| 20:02.33 | ansgar | xqix9u2v: Obvious troll is obvious. |
| 20:03.02 | abrotman | xqix9u2v: do you need help with Debian ? |
| 20:03.42 | xqix9u2v | i think so is it like MACINTOSH! |
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| 20:04.04 | abrotman | it's not even sunday ... |
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| 20:05.05 | th0r | abrotman: but it is a holiday weekend |
| 20:05.19 | abrotman | yeah, but they were both repeat offenders |
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| 20:09.54 | karlpinc | In cryptsetup what is the difference between luksRemoveKey and luksKillSlot? Why one or the other? |
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| 20:10.52 | freeone3000 | Not really debian-specific, but if I set up a RAID1 now, can I change it to a RAIDz2 later without losing data? |
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| 20:14.18 | karlpinc | I can't seem to find a description anywhere. (And I can't seem to find a doc that describes the luks slots, beyond the generic description in the TKS1 paper.) |
| 20:14.23 | valdyn | freeone3000: linux supports RAIDz2 ? |
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| 20:14.51 | freeone3000 | valdyn: It'd be the only thing that would. |
| 20:15.00 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Otherwise I'd just use a regular RAID6. |
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| 20:20.08 | emilsedgh | i just installed squeeze, then added testing repositories and x. issue is, when x comes up, i have no input. (please note that xserver-xorg-input-all is installed) |
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| 20:20.21 | emilsedgh | and installed x* |
| 20:20.31 | twobitsprite | emilsedgh: did you do a full upgrade to testing? or just installed a few testing packages on your stable system? |
| 20:20.42 | emilsedgh | twobitsprite: the latter. |
| 20:20.47 | emilsedgh | should i do a full upgrade? |
| 20:20.55 | twobitsprite | emilsedgh: don't do that... mixing stable and testing is bad |
| 20:21.12 | emilsedgh | ok, updating now. thanks twobitsprite. |
| 20:21.24 | twobitsprite | np |
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| 20:22.24 | twobitsprite | (now, I don't know what's causing your keyboard issue, so it's not a gueranteed fix.. but you should at least be in a sane environment before troubleshooting) |
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| 20:23.29 | karlpinc | Ok... I found the luks on-disk format specification. (Don't know how I missed that.) Maybe the answers are there.... |
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| 20:23.44 | twobitsprite | emilsedgh: also, if you upgrade and have other problems, try booting the 2.6 kernel... 3.0 causes some funniness with some drivers |
| 20:23.54 | emilsedgh | twobitsprite: ah ok. |
| 20:24.10 | emilsedgh | i have 3.0 on my laptop. im happy with it. |
| 20:24.18 | twobitsprite | particularly with nvidia |
| 20:24.33 | twobitsprite | right on... I just know my propietary nvidia drivers don't like 3.0 |
| 20:24.42 | emilsedgh | eh! i have nvidia with my laptop and kernel 3.0, which im currently using. |
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| 20:25.07 | twobitsprite | hmm... might just be me then... I haven't had time to troubleshoot it, so it could just a simple fix |
| 20:25.19 | twobitsprite | but I do know others have reported similar 3.0 drive issues |
| 20:25.24 | twobitsprite | driver* |
| 20:25.29 | emilsedgh | twobitsprite: it took me a few minutes to get nvidia working with it as well. |
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| 20:26.34 | twobitsprite | yeah, I'm sure when I actually get around to working on it I'll kick myself for not doing it earlier... :P |
| 20:26.51 | emilsedgh | hah |
| 20:27.01 | freeone3000 | Okay, it seems RAID5 is the only resizable one that'll work with three disks. Thanks. Now to format four terabytes as ext3. |
| 20:27.07 | emilsedgh | well, i felt much faster graphics using new kernel and new nvidia driver. |
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| 20:37.12 | mah454 | How can i switch to OpenSound System ? |
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| 20:39.13 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: nvidia-kernel-dkms 280.13-1 works well with 3.0.0-1-amd64 on i386 arch here |
| 20:39.17 | Pradyumna | i gave 30 gb for linuc and a 3 gb partion for swap |
| 20:39.33 | Pradyumna | is that it or any other partition are needed |
| 20:39.45 | jelly-home | Pradyumna: you don't need anything else |
| 20:39.56 | Pradyumna | K meet you all in debian |
| 20:40.23 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: cool, I'll give it a shot |
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| 20:49.27 | doughnut | I'm trying to use logrotate with "dateformat %Y%m%d%H%M%S" and I'm ending up with a "davetest" being rotated to "davetest20110831%H%M%S.gz". The logrotate manpage says that it uses "notation similar to strftime(3) function" so my syntax looks correct. |
| 20:50.39 | doughnut | Is it not possible to use HourMinuteSecond in there? |
| 20:51.06 | abrotman | to be fair .. couldn't you just look at the timestamp on the file? |
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| 20:51.36 | doughnut | It's there to avoid overwriting the file if log rotate happens more than once in a day. |
| 20:52.02 | doughnut | The old system had it, so additionally, I'm worried that other scripts may depend on the format. |
| 20:52.11 | abrotman | doughnut: did you actually read the whole bit in the logrotate man page? |
| 20:52.20 | abrotman | . Only %Y %m %d and %s specifiers are |
| 20:52.20 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:53.01 | doughnut | abrotman: Well, that's embarrassing. You are correct. Sorry for skimming so poorly. |
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| 20:53.26 | abrotman | yeah, it was just the next sentence :) |
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| 20:53.37 | doughnut | yep |
| 20:53.38 | abrotman | "OHHH .. I CAN USE THIS FORMAT! 'q'" |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | but at least you can use %s |
| 20:54.14 | abrotman | so that should be really useful for you with what you're trying to avoid |
| 20:54.39 | doughnut | I blame open source for not reading my mind. KHAN! |
| 20:54.58 | last1 | I think I really messed up my /etc/rcX.d directories. How can I have them rebuilt from scratch ? |
| 20:55.35 | twobitsprite | it probably wouldn't be all the hard to open up the logrotate code and acutally using strftime(3)... not sure why it doesn't already |
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| 20:55.55 | twobitsprite | seem odd that they would mention it in the manpage but not use it... |
| 20:55.56 | abrotman | well, it doesn't .. not much to do about it but fix his format |
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| 20:56.26 | twobitsprite | abrotman: how un-do-ocracy of you... he could submit a patch! :) |
| 20:56.37 | abrotman | that doesn't fix it right now :) |
| 20:57.05 | twobitsprite | it would if he patched his, compiled and installed it... or at least it would be fixed in future versions |
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| 20:57.37 | abrotman | ohyes .. okay .. go ahead |
| 20:57.56 | twobitsprite | just sayin :P |
| 20:58.08 | doughnut | I'm curious about the answer to last1's question now. |
| 20:59.46 | doughnut | last1: perhaps "man update-rc.d" |
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| 21:02.38 | freeone3000 | Is it possible to have grub install itself ot the MBR of a RAID-array'd drive? |
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| 21:03.05 | freeone3000 | I'd like to have my RAID array be the only drive in the machine (as in, no separate boot drive), but the machine refuses to boot without the USB livecd. |
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| 21:04.35 | gnarface | freeone3000: i think i have heard that this IS possible, but its also strongly discouraged |
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| 21:05.15 | freeone3000 | gnarface: Well, I only have six sata slots on the machine, and I don't want to lose 2TB of data... Suppose having it use a flashdrive as a boot device isn't terrible. |
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| 21:05.51 | last1 | do you guys have a /etc/rc6.d/K11reboot file on your system ? |
| 21:05.53 | freeone3000 | Or would PXE be able to load linux? |
| 21:06.31 | gnarface | freeone3000: uh... don't see why not. |
| 21:06.59 | freeone3000 | I'm new to this whole administration thing. This is my second simultanious linux computer. |
| 21:07.04 | last1 | also, can someone PM me the contents of their /etc/init.d/reboot file on debian 6 ? |
| 21:09.20 | gnarface | freeone3000: you also have the option of using real drives over firewire and usb as well. some boards even have external sata ports. it doesn't have to be a flash drive |
| 21:10.11 | freeone3000 | Real drives are also expensive, and I doubt that /boot is going to grow beyond 2GB. |
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| 21:14.33 | freeone3000 | Okay. More immediate issue. Booted from the flash drive, running off hard drives. Attempting to run an ssh server. sshd is running as pid 1725, nmap reports port 22 is open, and since it's LAN there's no NAT in the way. Hostmask is 255.255.255.0, and the connecting IP is 10.0.0.100 to 10.0.0.3. I'm getting "connection refushed". |
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| 21:14.39 | freeone3000 | What should I look at next? |
| 21:14.59 | freeone3000 | The machines can ping each other, it just seems like sshd isn't accepting connections for some reason. |
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| 21:23.48 | drygravytrain | freeone3000: firewall off? |
| 21:24.55 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: iptables doesn't show any entries. |
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| 21:25.04 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: ..Actually, it doesn't show *any* entries. Odd. |
| 21:25.16 | drygravytrain | try turning it off |
| 21:25.26 | freeone3000 | iptables? |
| 21:25.28 | drygravytrain | yea |
| 21:26.22 | xromiuz | msg freeone3000 man you network has real ips not the private ones |
| 21:27.00 | xromiuz | the netmask should be 255.0.0.0 |
| 21:27.04 | freeone3000 | xromiuz: No, it doesn't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network . |
| 21:27.16 | freeone3000 | xromiuz: Oh. Eh, probably, doesn't matter since I have fewer than 254 machines. |
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| 21:30.07 | fasta | Why does Debian ship a broken Java implementation by default? |
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| 21:30.18 | fasta | Isn't Debian there for the 'users'? |
| 21:30.33 | freeone3000 | fasta: It doesn't ship *any* java by default. |
| 21:31.16 | fasta | freeone3000: then it was a dependency of something else I installed. |
| 21:31.33 | fasta | freeone3000: I never typed explicitly that I wanted the broken implementation of java. |
| 21:31.41 | freeone3000 | Which means it should be brought up with that package maintainer to depend on java or java2 instead of a specific package. |
| 21:31.58 | fasta | It is fairly easy to switch, luckily. |
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| 21:36.04 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: I have no iptables init-scripts. I have no 'service' command. I'm not seeing how to stop iptables, and since it's a kernel process iirc, I have no idea whether it's running or not. |
| 21:36.18 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: Since I have a hardware firewall running interference, I'm fairly sure it'll be safe to just set it to allow everything. |
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| 21:36.44 | drygravytrain | chkconfig iptables off |
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| 21:37.36 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: No chkconfig. |
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| 21:38.52 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: Installed it, got "iptables: unknown service". |
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| 21:42.03 | drygravytrain | freeone3000: but you can do sudo iptables -L and it is has no rules? |
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| 21:42.11 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: Yes. |
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| 21:42.36 | drygravytrain | freeone3000: and netstat -nap ! grep :22 shows port is listening? |
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| 21:42.51 | mah454 | I have a big problem for installing debian on Acer Laptop . Graphical installer do not show me partition table .... |
| 21:42.55 | drygravytrain | thats supposed to be pipe not ! |
| 21:43.36 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: Yeah, one on 0.0.0.0:22 and one on :::22 |
| 21:44.06 | somiaj | mah454: can you provide more info. You have goten to the step you want to manually partition the hard disk, and its not showing you the partition table -- is it saying there is no table, giving you some error? What are you seeing? |
| 21:45.51 | mah454 | somiaj, i have a five partition on disk ... but installer do not show me this partitions . ! without any error (i can not view any error) ! |
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| 21:46.36 | somiaj | mah454: what is it showing you? The installer won't show you the actual table until you say you want to manually partition the hard disk |
| 21:47.10 | somiaj | mah454: If its showing you a blank partition table, maybe your partition table is corrupted. Could you be using a GPT partition table instead of the old MBR standard? |
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| 21:47.51 | somiaj | mah454: i.e. we know what you aren't seeing that you expect to, but we have no clue what you are actually seeing...screenshot or pastebin could be nice. (: |
| 21:48.16 | mah454 | only show /dev/sda . in Ctrl+Alt+F1 : fdisk -l show partitions ... |
| 21:48.29 | drygravytrain | freeone3000: do you have a loopback interface? |
| 21:48.29 | mah454 | but installer do not show ! |
| 21:48.49 | somiaj | mah454: what do you see? If you want it to automically partition your disk it won't show you the table it will just ask what disk |
| 21:49.16 | somiaj | mah454: until you can explain what you are seeing in its completness I can't help much. (note I"m not use to the graphical installer so screenshots will help me out more than others) |
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| 21:49.47 | drygravytrain | freeone3000: try to ssh to localhost |
| 21:49.54 | drygravytrain | from the localhost |
| 21:50.04 | mah454 | Ok ... i back with screenshot ... |
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| 21:56.37 | freeone3000 | drygravytrain: Works just fine. |
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| 21:57.38 | ya55en | hello |
| 21:57.53 | ya55en | someone has a good knowledge about unrealircd? |
| 21:58.01 | ya55en | I have a problem which i cant solve |
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| 21:58.35 | Guest84356 | hi guys, can anyone explain to me what this dmesg message means? |
| 21:58.37 | Guest84356 | pci 0000:00:00.0: BAR 3: address space collision on of device [0xe0000000-0xffffffff] |
| 21:59.16 | Guest84356 | is this bad, can I just ignore that? |
| 21:59.23 | Guest84356 | What does it mean? |
| 22:00.52 | somiaj | ya55en: have you read though their documentation and seen if they have a support irc chan? |
| 22:01.16 | ya55en | yeah i did |
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| 22:02.44 | somiaj | ya55en: well you could try to ask your question here, but I wouldn't expect an answer unless someone here is familar with that client. |
| 22:03.07 | Guest84356 | pci 0000:00:00:0: BAR 3: can't allocate resource |
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| 22:04.28 | Guest84356 | Does somone know what resource did not became allocated? |
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| 22:06.02 | Guest84356 | nowbody here who can just tell me what is (or could be) pci 0000:00:00:0: BAR 3 |
| 22:06.10 | goodman | do you happen to know npviewer.bin? It seems to be part of flashplayer. but it won't be killed automatically after use. what can i do to solve this problem? |
| 22:06.39 | Guest84356 | because I got no PCI card on my motherboard except my grafic card, ... |
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| 22:09.02 | Miesco | I have KDE and when I plug a external usb HDD in it mounts like 3 times |
| 22:09.03 | somiaj | goodman: seems your flash plugin is out of date. npviewer.bin isn't part of flash but of the wrapper to wrap the 32bit flash plugin into the 64bit userland |
| 22:09.03 | Saulito | newbie writing here: hello |
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| 22:09.31 | somiaj | goodman: I would suggest removing the wrapper and just getting ahold of a 64bit plugin |
| 22:09.47 | Miesco | I have unplugged the devices and it says the same device is mounted and busy on three different device nodes |
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| 22:10.31 | somiaj | goodman: so make sure you remove the nspluginwrapper (its where that file comes from) |
| 22:10.42 | somiaj | goodman: also dpkg -S npviewer.bin to see which package put it on your system. |
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| 22:11.37 | Miesco | mount: http://paste.debian.net/128230/ |
| 22:11.54 | Miesco | really annoying |
| 22:11.59 | Miesco | I need to dismount all that |
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| 22:14.19 | Miesco | fuser /mnt/disk: Cannot stat /mnt/disk: Transport endpoint is not connected |
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| 22:14.52 | somiaj | Miesco: my suggestion is turn automouting off, but it appears you are being assigned two devices and each device is mounted automically. I'd look into why when you plug in your usb disk it assigns it multiple devices |
| 22:15.06 | somiaj | Miesco: note I do have a usb device with multiple disks in it, so its nice I get assigned multiple devices in that case |
| 22:15.08 | Miesco | somiaj: In KDE? |
| 22:15.38 | Miesco | somiaj: How do I turn automounting off? |
| 22:15.41 | Miesco | somiaj: With dbus? |
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| 22:15.51 | somiaj | Miesco: well I don't use KDE, but you can disable automounting. Not sure where this is done since I don't use it. |
| 22:16.00 | somiaj | Miesco: do you use #debian or #kubuntu? |
| 22:16.16 | Miesco | somiaj: Huh? |
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| 22:16.21 | Miesco | somiaj: I use #debian |
| 22:16.39 | somiaj | Miesco: ok just making sure, since I didn't think automounting was enabled by default in debian |
| 22:17.02 | somiaj | Miesco: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
| 22:17.55 | Miesco | I got it, I disabled it |
| 22:18.02 | Miesco | In KDE anyways |
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| 22:18.27 | somiaj | yea, it could be KDE doing the automounting. Now try to identify why that disk is reporting multiple devices |
| 22:18.37 | somiaj | since KDE will see them each as different and mount both of them |
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| 22:19.07 | Miesco | somiaj: Now how would I dismount these? |
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| 22:19.34 | Miesco | KDE doesn't see them |
| 22:19.58 | somiaj | Miesco: the disk is removed, but still thinks they are mounted -- seems umount as a -f (force) option, but its supose to be fore unreachable NFS mounts |
| 22:20.15 | Miesco | somiaj: I tried that |
| 22:20.19 | Miesco | somiaj: Didn't force anything |
| 22:20.31 | somiaj | Miesco: I can't help you much more than that...a way that will work is just reboot, but I personally don't like that solution. It will work. |
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| 22:20.55 | Miesco | somiaj: Well, yea lol |
| 22:21.17 | Miesco | I'll just leave it like that and plug it in and use sdm or whatever it gives me |
| 22:22.20 | Miesco | Okay i'm rebooting |
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| 22:25.03 | gnarface | so how come vservers are being pulled from debian after squeeze? |
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| 22:26.38 | goodman | 64104K 4664K select 0 0:30 0.00% xpdf |
| 22:26.39 | goodman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.39 | goodman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.39 | goodman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.39 | goodman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:28.17 | gnarface | poor goodman |
| 22:28.49 | somiaj | he does run fvwm, which is nice. (: |
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| 22:31.33 | goodman | oh my ! |
| 22:32.38 | gnarface | no flooding goodman |
| 22:32.42 | gnarface | haha |
| 22:32.57 | gnarface | that guy is having a bad day |
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| 22:35.31 | jelly-home | please don't take your picture |
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| 22:38.26 | neoice | has anyone here used archive.d.o before? the apt source lines dont seem to be working for me. |
| 22:39.59 | jelly-home | meise_: what does your deb line look like? deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 22:40.08 | jelly-home | neoice: what does your deb line look like? deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
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| 22:42.33 | neoice | jelly-home: it was correct, damn VM had no network. derp. |
| 22:42.44 | jelly-home | herp |
| 22:42.47 | neoice | it's probably time to go home if I'm making stupid mistakes like that. |
| 22:42.55 | jelly-home | *nod* |
| 22:43.07 | neoice | go drink some rum and pull dandelions out of my lawn. |
| 22:43.13 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 22:44.00 | jelly-home | put them back in the morning and apologize |
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| 22:45.47 | quitte | what happened to dma? /proc/dma only shows cascade. |
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| 22:47.44 | jelly-home | there is only zuul |
| 22:48.27 | jelly-home | also, very little ISA devices these days |
| 22:48.50 | quitte | superceded by mmap? |
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| 22:49.09 | jelly-home | I have no idea how DMA is done on PCI or PCIe |
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| 22:49.30 | jelly-home | but it's definitely there |
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| 22:50.15 | Pradyumna | after a long frustrating session in debian back to windows now |
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| 22:50.23 | Pradyumna | need a lot of help |
| 22:51.00 | Pradyumna | I somehow managed to install software center but it is not launching |
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| 22:51.38 | Pradyumna | apt-get install whatever package name i try it is never installing |
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| 22:53.15 | th0r | Pradyumna: are you using sudo with apt-get? |
| 22:53.27 | Pradyumna | nope |
| 22:53.48 | th0r | Pradyumna: you need root permissions to install packages. Use sudo apt-get..... |
| 22:54.10 | Pradyumna | yeah first su and password then apt-get |
| 22:54.20 | th0r | Pradyumna: that should work |
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| 22:55.04 | Pradyumna | i can access websites but it is damn slow compared to windows |
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| 22:55.21 | Pradyumna | network tool dosent work |
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| 22:55.36 | Pradyumna | system task managed dosent work |
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| 22:56.15 | debiantonio | jelly-home, lshw maybe help? |
| 22:56.15 | Pradyumna | any guides that can help me through this? |
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| 22:58.16 | Pradyumna | is this distro only for developers and not for beginners? |
| 22:58.28 | Pradyumna | if so i would like to try something else. |
| 22:59.16 | themill | Pradyumna: it's pretty much impossible to help someone who asks vague questions without providing any information about what's going on and isn't even running Debian at present. |
| 22:59.37 | Pradyumna | it is not connecting to irc servers in debian |
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| 22:59.42 | jelly-home | debiantonio: sorry? I don't follow |
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| 23:00.37 | Pradyumna | it is not doing anything i just downloaded to 700 mb i386 cd kept it in a USb drive installed it it took about 40 minuts |
| 23:01.20 | Pradyumna | and tried to install some softwares using the apt-get but nothing works |
| 23:01.46 | debiantonio | jelly-home, lshw package _> information about hardware configuration |
| 23:02.08 | debiantonio | jelly-home, sorry my poor english |
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| 23:07.02 | Pradyumna | Now on debian |
| 23:07.08 | Pradyumna | so any help? |
| 23:07.56 | Pradyumna | helloooo |
| 23:08.14 | ilya80 | oh hai |
| 23:08.15 | debiantonio | hahahahah |
| 23:08.19 | debiantonio | oi |
| 23:08.28 | ilya80 | whats your problem with debian Pradyumna? :) |
| 23:08.38 | Pradyumna | Unable to do anything |
| 23:08.44 | Pradyumna | apt-get not working |
| 23:08.46 | th0r | Pradyumna: well, you can type |
| 23:08.54 | debiantonio | remember your root password? |
| 23:08.59 | Pradyumna | su |
| 23:09.03 | Pradyumna | password |
| 23:09.04 | debiantonio | and...? |
| 23:09.07 | Pradyumna | then apt-get |
| 23:09.08 | debiantonio | password |
| 23:09.16 | Pradyumna | done that |
| 23:09.23 | ilya80 | updated your sources.lst ? |
| 23:09.30 | Pradyumna | yep |
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| 23:09.30 | debiantonio | aptitude update |
| 23:09.56 | lmarcetic | any reason why a mount --bind would be invisible in nautilus while visible in the shell? |
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| 23:10.12 | Pradyumna | Updated |
| 23:10.31 | debiantonio | so...find package choice |
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| 23:10.55 | Pradyumna | Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'synaptic' has no installation candidate |
| 23:11.09 | Pradyumna | this is what i get when i try to install synaptic |
| 23:11.34 | themill | Pradyumna: can you please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list for us |
| 23:12.52 | Pradyumna | # # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20110626-15:45]/ squeeze main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.2.1 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20110626-15:45]/ squeeze main deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main # squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile' # A network mirror was not selected during install. The |
| 23:13.00 | debiantonio | squeeze release? |
| 23:13.18 | debiantonio | ops |
| 23:13.29 | ilya80 | use pastebin please |
| 23:13.35 | Pradyumna | kk sry |
| 23:13.44 | themill | dpkg: tell Pradyumna about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 23:16.09 | debiantonio | Pradyumna, all debian user needs --> http://wiki.debian.org/Manual-Howto |
| 23:16.24 | ouyes | why are there so many iso files in the debian download pages? cd-1.iso , cd-2.iso, which iso should I download? |
| 23:16.48 | ilya80 | you are looking in different pages it seems.. whats your desired arch? |
| 23:17.13 | themill | ouyes: the netinst is sufficient; /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 23:17.53 | ouyes | themill, no man I will something offline |
| 23:18.47 | ouyes | should I download cd-1 to cd-52, but does an os installation need so large files? |
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| 23:19.13 | themill | ouyes: will you truly have no connectivity after the installation is completed? |
| 23:19.30 | ouyes | themill, no I will have |
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| 23:20.10 | themill | then you definitely don't need all 52 CDs. CD1 would be plenty. (or the netinst...) |
| 23:20.37 | ilya80 | you can also get 1st DVD. |
| 23:20.51 | debiantonio | cd1 only |
| 23:21.26 | somiaj | there is also a netinstall cd that is 200megs so you can download it faster than the full cd1 if you just want to install stuff from the online repos anyways. |
| 23:23.50 | ouyes | somiaj, I share the internet access with others, so I will download the iso cd1 and install it , |
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| 23:30.18 | shai- | GNOME3, run perfectly in Debian 6.0 ? |
| 23:30.45 | themill | shai-: not at all |
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| 23:32.46 | somiaj | shai-: gnome3 will be apart of the next debian release. If you are brave you may get gnome3 to work, but there is NO easy way to go about it. |
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| 23:33.37 | shai- | somiaj: the same on ubuntu, no? |
| 23:34.31 | somiaj | shai-: ask in #ubuntu, I don't know anything about their versions or relases. |
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| 23:36.18 | satellit_ | somiaj: will gnome2 still be available on debian as "classic"? |
| 23:37.19 | daemonkeeper | ######no |
| 23:37.32 | daemonkeeper | s/\#+// |
| 23:37.46 | somiaj | satellit_: I don't know. |
| 23:37.59 | satellit_ | thanks...hope so |
| 23:38.03 | somiaj | satellit_: gnome 2 will always be in squeeze, but my guess is the next release will only have gnome3 |
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| 23:38.23 | satellit_ | : ( |
| 23:39.56 | satellit_ | somiaj: sugar on next release: https://wiki.debian.org/Sugar |
| 23:40.34 | Raptors | Hey guys does anyone know what settings controls the themeing for Gnome? The theme seems to work for everything but in Gedit/Gnome panel |
| 23:40.35 | Raptors | :\ |
| 23:40.46 | satellit_ | hope it will be there. |
| 23:40.52 | Raptors | http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3756/screenshot128.png |
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| 23:46.46 | Raptors | Anyone? |
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| 23:50.42 | somiaj | I'd say ask in #gnome but they might not give much 2.0 support anymore and upgrading to 3.0 isn't really possilbe in squeeze |
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| 23:51.29 | somiaj | gedit uses gtk, maybe check your .gktrc-2.0 file |
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| 23:51.50 | somiaj | or maybe gedit gets its gtk theme from some other setting |
| 23:52.23 | somiaj | (not using gnome I can't be of much help) but seems like a gtk theme issue and apps can load their gtk theme from other settings than the defaults |
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| 23:54.08 | Raptors | <somiaj> gedit uses gtk, maybe check your .gktrc-2.0 file |
| 23:54.12 | Raptors | Where is that located? |
| 23:54.39 | somiaj | Raptors: in your |
| 23:54.46 | somiaj | $HOME dir, with all config files. (: |
| 23:54.53 | Raptors | it's not there :\ |
| 23:55.24 | Raptors | there is .gtkrc-2.0-kde and .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 |
| 23:55.25 | Raptors | that's it |
| 23:55.27 | Raptors | :\ |
| 23:55.41 | Raptors | Should I make it? |
| 23:56.07 | somiaj | yea I don't know where gconf puts that info, I dont' use gnome but use gtk apps, and yes I put my gtk theme in $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 23:56.25 | somiaj | you could create it, but I would figure out where gnome is putting the gtk theme, not sure which order it will look though the files |
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| 23:57.32 | derric | How can I change the font size of gtk apps? |
| 23:58.51 | somiaj | derric: modify the gtk config file, I have a gtk-font-name="Bitstream Vera Sans 10" in my .gtkrc-2.0 file |
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| 23:59.24 | somiaj | again I'm not sure if that is the standard place for gnome apps to look, maybe a gnome person will pipe up. |
