| 00:00.15 | somiaj | there is a package called "gtk-theme-switch" |
| 00:00.20 | somiaj | derric: ^^ that can work |
| 00:02.48 | derric | somiaj: Where would that file be? I just checked /etc/gtk. There's a lot of rc files, but a config is absent. |
| 00:03.36 | somiaj | derric: that is a setting in your $HOME dir, teh package I mentioned gives you a graphical tool that will create that file and put the right info in it. |
| 00:03.47 | somiaj | derric: though if your running gnome, I think the gnome control pannel is prefered. |
| 00:04.15 | Raptors | somiaj, how do I recreate .gtkrc-2.0? |
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| 00:05.25 | derric | somiaj: I see I missed a few lines. |
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| 00:06.25 | derric | somiaj: somiaj: I'm running Squeeze. It has KDE, although I wonder about gnome. |
| 00:07.40 | debiantonio | Gnome its fine too |
| 00:08.04 | debiantonio | now i running KDE4 |
| 00:09.22 | somiaj | Raptors: I would ask gnome people before you do so, but here is a copy of mine http://paste.debian.net/128240/ |
| 00:12.23 | nvz | if I recall correctly, when I have a debianized source directory there is a command to take that and make a *orig.tar.gz from that.. or is there a way to tell dpkg-bulidpackage to use the source dir and not the .orig.tar.gz? |
| 00:13.29 | somiaj | nvz: I think the orig.tar.gz just gets created by default, but if you got the source from debian the patches will be applied during the complitaion process |
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| 00:14.06 | nvz | somiaj: I changed something in the source, and buildpackage says its building from orig.tar.gz I assume ignoring my changes |
| 00:14.32 | somiaj | nvz: there should be a debian/patch dir |
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| 00:14.52 | somiaj | nvz: what command did you run? |
| 00:15.15 | nvz | somiaj: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 00:15.29 | derric | somiaj: Noob question: How do I start gtk-theme-switcher? |
| 00:15.44 | nvz | I completely rewrote one cpp file and one header, I want to roll the source with the new files |
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| 00:18.06 | debiantonio | derric, http://gnome-shell.deviantart.com/gallery/ |
| 00:18.47 | somiaj | nvz: you could try debian/build binary from teh source dir |
| 00:18.57 | somiaj | nvz: that will just run the build script and ignore all teh things dpkg-buildpackage would do |
| 00:19.03 | nvz | somiaj: ok |
| 00:19.41 | somiaj | derric: the binary you want I belive is called 'switch2' -- dpkg -L gtk-theme-switcher woul dshow you all the binaries/files it installed |
| 00:20.18 | nvz | ah there is no debian/build |
| 00:20.19 | somiaj | nvz: this may not be the proper way, but it might work...:/ |
| 00:20.28 | somiaj | nvz: sorry its debian/rules binary |
| 00:21.03 | derric | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:21.41 | derric | somiaj: Oh good, I was trying switch etc. |
| 00:21.48 | somiaj | derric: switch is for gtk1 |
| 00:21.51 | somiaj | switch2 is for gtk2 |
| 00:21.59 | somiaj | though gtk1 is pretty much dead |
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| 00:23.25 | derric | somiaj: There wee go! It's gtk-thene-switch2 |
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| 00:23.49 | derric | somiaj: I might have to make a shorter symlink for that. |
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| 00:24.54 | somiaj | derric: programs a bit buggy but it did the trick for me (granted I haven't changed my gtk theme in 4-5 years) |
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| 00:27.45 | derric | somiaj: Ah, that's so much better. Thank you. |
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| 00:31.48 | somiaj | derric: glad it did the trick. (: |
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| 00:33.51 | OrigenAG | Hi Guys, bit of a n00b question but when I boot a machine with only x-console how to enter commands to launch say x-calc? I log in and get a blue screen with "xconsole" in the top left but I dont know how to interact |
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| 00:34.19 | somiaj | OrigenAG: first move the mouse over the terminal (so it gains focus) |
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| 00:34.36 | somiaj | OrigenAG: second type commands into it, so to run xcalc type xcalc |
| 00:34.55 | somiaj | OrigenAG: though you may want to run it in the background (so you can also run otehr apps, so type "xcalc &" |
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| 00:35.59 | OrigenAG | somaj: Thanks, I'll go plug in a mouse |
| 00:36.03 | jetscreamer | you might think about trying some other lightweight, like lxde or so |
| 00:36.09 | jetscreamer | you can emulate mouse |
| 00:36.13 | jetscreamer | with keypad |
| 00:36.22 | somiaj | OrigenAG: note without a window manager you won't have much control where windows are placed. But there are plenty of windowmanagers you can use with only a keyboard |
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| 00:36.29 | somiaj | OrigenAG: ratposion I think trys to be just that |
| 00:37.35 | jetscreamer | shift+numlock or something like that to toggle it.. if it's not disabled in xorg.conf i guess |
| 00:37.45 | OrigenAG | Thanks guys, just trying now |
| 00:38.33 | jetscreamer | !keypad mouse |
| 00:38.33 | dpkg | [keypad mouse] shift-numlock enables mouse actions via keypad. 123 4 6 789 are movement, '/' '*' '-' are l/r/m mouse buttons. 5 is click, '+' is double-click, '0' is click-and-hold. Pointer accelerates as movement keys are held. |
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| 00:39.11 | somiaj | jetscreamer: is that for xorg? -- testing |
| 00:39.22 | jetscreamer | yeah been around forever |
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| 00:39.34 | somiaj | does it get disabled if you have a WM running |
| 00:40.12 | somiaj | cause it isn't working here, but I have fvwm running. |
| 00:40.16 | jetscreamer | don't think so, don't know for sure, i do know there's a directive to disable/enable it in xorg.conf... not sure if ti's on or off by default |
| 00:40.37 | somiaj | ahh that is more likely it...probabaly off by default would be my guess then. |
| 00:40.57 | jetscreamer | i don't use it, just know it's there |
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| 00:43.11 | somiaj | arg -- damn ubuntu forms not letting me view them anymore. |
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| 00:46.29 | somiaj | ok here it is, dpkg might needs its factoid updated (wonder what version the change happened) |
| 00:46.32 | somiaj | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Enable_pointerkeys |
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| 00:48.43 | jetscreamer | all i got to was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys |
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| 00:49.09 | jetscreamer | and it still hasn't shown me that |
| 00:49.31 | jetscreamer | my google-fu is weak |
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| 00:49.56 | jetscreamer | you can add to factoids |
| 00:50.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg blah |
| 00:50.10 | dpkg | bleh means insert appropriate value here. see bleh, or meh |
| 00:50.25 | zutme | Ok, so I just changed the motherboard in my computer and booted debian back up, but for some reason it is having trouble with the network card. I can see the card in lspci and it looks like it is loading the correct module in lsmod, but when I do an ifconfig I don't even have an eth0, just a loopback. Any ideas? |
| 00:50.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg, blah is see bleh |
| 00:50.28 | dpkg | blah 1 in the groin |
| 00:50.40 | jetscreamer | dpkg, blah is also see bleh |
| 00:50.40 | dpkg | blah 1 in the groin |
| 00:50.46 | jetscreamer | maybe not |
| 00:50.52 | jetscreamer | !blah |
| 00:50.52 | dpkg | bleh means insert appropriate value here. see bleh, or meh |
| 00:51.50 | jetscreamer | they take auto eth0 out and put some weird allow hotplug stuff in , or used to.. you could probably just add the correct stuff and it will work |
| 00:51.57 | jetscreamer | i forget the syntax though |
| 00:52.56 | jetscreamer | /etc/network/interfaces i think |
| 00:53.01 | jetscreamer | !interfaces |
| 00:53.01 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 00:53.22 | dvs | zutme: Erase /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
| 00:53.42 | jetscreamer | ah yeah udev trash |
| 00:54.04 | jetscreamer | ignore me, i believe udev bites, nobody else does though |
| 00:54.07 | zutme | dvs, ok I will try that girst |
| 00:54.16 | zutme | first* |
| 00:55.43 | jetscreamer | the fact that it stops a fresh installation from booting given the right conditions, of the 'stable' release, is unimportant |
| 00:55.55 | jetscreamer | testing/sid too |
| 00:56.19 | jetscreamer | and of course now we see a nic maybe |
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| 00:57.12 | zutme | dvs, that didn't help. any other thoughts. should I try making a change to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:57.25 | dvs | zutme: reboot |
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| 00:57.38 | jetscreamer | whatever you do, back it up before you edit/change/destroy |
| 00:57.52 | zutme | dvs, I rebooted after I deleted the file |
| 00:58.10 | zutme | yeah I would definitely backup the interfaces file first |
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| 00:58.27 | zutme | so it should be auto eth0 instead of the hotplug stuff? |
| 00:58.45 | philipballew | can I find a debian ise with lxde already anywhere? |
| 00:58.54 | jetscreamer | that's what i do |
| 00:59.08 | zutme | jetscreamer, ok I will try it. |
| 00:59.23 | jetscreamer | philipballew: i think the live cd/installer has it available.. check the docs |
| 00:59.33 | jetscreamer | maybe cd1 has it i dunno |
| 00:59.42 | dvs | likes the hotplug stuff, as long as it works |
| 00:59.54 | philipballew | alright. jetscreamer didnt see it. ill look again |
| 00:59.57 | jetscreamer | only notices when it doesn't |
| 01:02.06 | zutme | jetscreamer, yeah that didn't help either. I'm beginning to wonder if its getting the right module |
| 01:02.25 | dvs | zutme: what chip is it? |
| 01:02.27 | philipballew | then again jetscreamer how hard is an apt-get anyway |
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| 01:03.57 | zutme | dvs, RTL8111/8168B |
| 01:04.18 | elik | I followed http://wiki.debian.org/iptables advices concerning setting up iptables rules for a router, but it seems to have led me in a world of pain. Mostly, this overrides all other rules, especially those from my pppoe interface leading to a MTU nightmare. Would anyone have better recommendations regarding that |
| 01:04.22 | dvs | zutme: you install the firmware-realtek package? |
| 01:04.35 | zutme | dvs, let me see |
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| 01:05.41 | elik | On another note, on the same problem, it seems pppoe does MSS clamping to go around the different MTU size, rather than using the PMTUD "algorithm" (emitting destination unreachable ICMPs). Is that the "right" thing to do, or it's just being lazy? |
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| 01:07.03 | jetscreamer | #networking maybe for that kind of detail |
| 01:07.08 | zutme | dvs, its not installed. What is a clever way of getting it there with no network? |
| 01:07.18 | jetscreamer | !sneakernet |
| 01:07.18 | dpkg | [sneakernet] "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes", attributed to various people, including Andy Tanenbaum, Dennis Ritchie, and Warren Jackson, or generally file transfer accomplished via physical storage walked from host to host. |
| 01:07.30 | dvs | is too slow to the keyboard |
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| 01:07.35 | zutme | haha |
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| 01:07.44 | zutme | Is it on the dvd or something? |
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| 01:07.52 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 01:07.55 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 01:07.55 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 01:08.17 | jetscreamer | this assumes a usb stick or something |
| 01:08.27 | jetscreamer | and that you can walk to the computer |
| 01:08.29 | zutme | jetscreamer, yeah I think I could manage that |
| 01:08.54 | jetscreamer | well some could be other side of planet :) |
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| 01:09.20 | imperfect- | Old Tinkpad p4 1.6ghz |
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| 01:10.32 | imperfect- | worth the effort for a base install w/ fluxbox or something? |
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| 01:11.38 | jetscreamer | why not, long as you don't high level game |
| 01:11.45 | jetscreamer | what do you want it to do |
| 01:12.15 | jetscreamer | my p700 thinkpad rox in my car |
| 01:12.31 | imperfect- | eh |
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| 01:19.31 | zutme | dvs, I installed the firmware-realtek package and rebooted and I still don't see eth0. Any other thoughts? |
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| 01:20.29 | dvs | zutme: and the r8169 module is loaded? |
| 01:20.44 | zutme | dvs, yeah thats the one its loading |
| 01:22.47 | dvs | no idea. it works for me |
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| 01:23.41 | zutme | dvs, oh you have the same chip? that's funny |
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| 01:23.54 | dvs | zutme: in my server |
| 01:24.02 | zutme | yeah this is my server too |
| 01:24.22 | dvs | the network is configured in my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:24.28 | zutme | I am wondering if this is some weirdness caused by changing the hardware and not reinstalling |
| 01:24.39 | zutme | I don't see why that would be, but I just have a feeling |
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| 01:24.57 | jetscreamer | shouldn't be |
| 01:25.10 | ya55en | someone has an idea how i can chatlog a channel? |
| 01:25.24 | jetscreamer | trun on logging? |
| 01:25.27 | jetscreamer | turn |
| 01:25.27 | ya55en | with unrealircd |
| 01:25.42 | ya55en | is there any special setting? |
| 01:25.51 | jetscreamer | knows nothing |
| 01:26.05 | zutme | dvs and jetscreamer. thanks a lot for all the suggestions anyway. you guys are awesome |
| 01:26.22 | jetscreamer | i owe it all to abrotman |
| 01:26.27 | jetscreamer | he's my inspiration |
| 01:26.36 | jetscreamer | him and mwilson |
| 01:26.51 | ya55en | maybe with an eggdrop? |
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| 01:31.30 | somiaj | google told me http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5514 |
| 01:31.45 | somiaj | in which they suggest an eggdrop....maybe use a different server that has the features you want. |
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| 01:43.07 | zutme | dvs, Just realized I had something stupid in /etc/network/interfaces It's working now /facepalm |
| 01:43.20 | dvs | !lart zutme |
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| 01:46.19 | newbie|3 | Oi, alguém aqui fala português? |
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| 01:46.41 | dvs | !pt |
| 01:46.41 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 01:47.01 | debiantonio | newbie|3, #debian-br |
| 01:47.35 | newbie|3 | Thanks. |
| 01:48.12 | debiantonio | de nada! |
| 01:48.20 | newbie|3 | rsrsrsrsrsrs |
| 01:48.35 | debiantonio | :P |
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| 01:49.56 | newbie|3 | Existe alguma sala específica para programação? |
| 01:50.08 | kuznetzvo | oh god, portueguese |
| 01:50.17 | debiantonio | no |
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| 01:50.42 | newbie|3 | Sorry, I try in english. |
| 01:50.56 | kuznetzvo | My translator friend in brazil is not online =p |
| 01:51.27 | debiantonio | hahahah |
| 01:51.51 | kuznetzvo | she's so ot. prtoguese/brazil have awesome genetics |
| 01:51.53 | kuznetzvo | hot^ |
| 01:52.25 | newbie|3 | What chatroom for program? |
| 01:52.36 | kuznetzvo | which program? or programming/writing software? |
| 01:52.45 | newbie|3 | Yes. |
| 01:52.56 | debiantonio | hummm |
| 01:53.01 | newbie|3 | Programming/ writing software, logic, etc.. |
| 01:53.13 | kuznetzvo | you want to learn to write software for debian or in general? i think there is #programming or ##programming on this server somewhere |
| 01:53.43 | newbie|3 | thanks kuxnetzvo! |
| 01:53.50 | kuznetzvo | no problem :) |
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| 01:56.49 | debiantonio | kuznetzvo, not portueguese, here is portuguese from br, not pt 8P |
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| 01:57.57 | kuznetzvo | yeah is like comparing spain spanish to mexican spanish |
| 01:58.35 | debiantonio | heheh and argentina and uruguay puerto rico cuba...etc |
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| 02:02.19 | kuznetzvo | ok i have question. i have never used wireless with linux before.. i have to get this aspire one intel atom n450, 1gb memory, etc. i tried editing the connection in network connections but it hasn't seemed to have worked |
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| 02:05.11 | l0x_ph1x | netsec on reddit ? |
| 02:05.35 | kuznetzvo | wow. answered my own question. plugged in the mac for the wap into BSSID and bam! connection is up |
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| 02:15.42 | l0x_ph1x | Can someone point me towards a IRC that i can talk about HAARP (US) |
| 02:15.44 | l0x_ph1x | Thanks |
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| 02:18.19 | kuznetzvo | intel hda asla is installed but i get no sound :( |
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| 02:26.27 | kuznetzvo | anyone? |
| 02:26.48 | kuznetzvo | tried putting "options snd-hda-intel model=auto position_fix=1" into options of alsa-base.conf and reboot but no change... |
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| 02:27.47 | buhman | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/469292/ ; what is going on here? |
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| 02:33.22 | kuznetzvo | anyone awake? I followed the damned acer aspireone guide from debian org but nogo for sound :( |
| 02:35.54 | l0x_ph1x | which distro ? |
| 02:38.12 | kuznetzvo | debian of course |
| 02:38.15 | kuznetzvo | squeeze, stock |
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| 02:38.32 | kuznetzvo | i added all the scheisse to the asla.base.conf but it didn't change anything |
| 02:38.45 | kuznetzvo | used all combination of keyboard shortcuts and checked sound in preferences to verify that it's not muted or turned all the way down.. |
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| 02:45.26 | kuznetzvo | anyone? |
| 02:45.27 | kuznetzvo | cries |
| 02:46.47 | l0x_ph1x | Hold up |
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| 02:47.06 | l0x_ph1x | You can boot into debian and it works fine apart from sound ? |
| 02:50.43 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: try to debug where the issue is. lets start with cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:51.27 | kuznetzvo | i thinks it's because alsa-base.conf specifies intel HDA but this model is supposd to be only Realtek ALC272X-GR |
| 02:52.08 | kuznetzvo | but cat proc sound cards only shows the intel as HDA Intel at 0x58200000 irq16 |
| 02:52.10 | sizzers | has anyone here every joined a linux machine to a windows domain? |
| 02:52.27 | kuznetzvo | doesn't that involve something with samba? |
| 02:52.35 | kuznetzvo | in answer to your first question, nope |
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| 03:00.34 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: so alsa as assigned that to card 0? What does alsamixer give you when you try to adjust things? |
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| 03:02.06 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: Have you tried to manually rmmod the intel-hda and them modprobe the one that the sound card is supose to be? what does lspci say is in the laptop? |
| 03:02.14 | somiaj | lshw is also useful |
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| 03:02.59 | kuznetzvo | the mixer doesn't complain when i try to adjust the volume. it pretends the same thing is working |
| 03:03.03 | kuznetzvo | just... no sound whatsoever |
| 03:03.52 | somiaj | no relevent output in dmesg |
| 03:03.57 | somiaj | have you tried pluggin in a headset |
| 03:04.57 | kuznetzvo | that was my next idea... see if it's an idiot situation |
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| 03:06.10 | somiaj | well could be having trouble sending sound to the internal speakers...there is such verity in that intel-hda driver for laptops you do need the correct model=, and I'd play around with them instead of just auto |
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| 03:21.12 | Kittens | hello |
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| 03:24.08 | kuznetzvo | i can't heard anything not even line noise with headphones |
| 03:26.38 | kuznetzvo | i am trying recompile drivers from asla-project webpage. |
| 03:28.22 | somiaj | Kittens: dpkg-reconfigure console-data to change the default, loadkeys to load it |
| 03:29.42 | gnarface | i'm having a problem with redmine and a version conflict with i18n on debian squeeze. by chance can anyone help me? |
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| 03:31.33 | somiaj | best to just state your problem and put revelent info in a pastebin about the conflicts |
| 03:33.00 | Kittens | don't worry about it, I fixed it. |
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| 03:33.16 | gnarface | somiaj: anyone who can help me has seen it |
| 03:33.24 | gnarface | somiaj: http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/HowTo_Install_Redmine_using_Debian_package/diff/12 described here |
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| 03:34.07 | gnarface | somiaj: the problem is the fix (which is listed AAALLLL over google) doesn't actually work. it only fixes *MOST* of the instances of {{count}} and {{start}} and {{end}} and such appearing literally in the web browser |
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| 03:34.55 | kuznetzvo | recompsile sound drivers for intel hda = fail. no change |
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| 03:34.57 | gnarface | somiaj: so these people aren't detail oriented, or i've missed something super obvious because i'm not a ruby developer, (likely both though) |
| 03:34.58 | kuznetzvo | no errors either... |
| 03:35.27 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: don't have some hardware mute getting in your way? sure alsamixer isn't muting your device.... |
| 03:36.04 | kuznetzvo | nothing is muted i can see in Volume Control: HDA Intel (Alsa Mixter) |
| 03:36.12 | kuznetzvo | toggled all the mute buttons and turned the volume way up to be sure |
| 03:37.00 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: you have hit 'm' to see what mute and unmute looks like in alsamixer (again just going over some basics cause it would error out in most cases, just sounds like the sound isn't getting to the acutal speakers is all) |
| 03:37.53 | kuznetzvo | i know man |
| 03:38.04 | kuznetzvo | i should be able to at least hear noise, especially with the headphones |
| 03:38.09 | kuznetzvo | ALL onboard sound makes noise |
| 03:38.26 | kuznetzvo | unless this little netbook has better filtering than my ASUS Sabertooth 990FX |
| 03:39.00 | n0sq | when setting up my xserver, there wasn't any listings for HP monitors so what should i use for a monitor setting? |
| 03:39.37 | kuznetzvo | n0sq for a while now installing debian, it always figured out the perfect native resolution for the screen |
| 03:39.43 | kuznetzvo | at least on my machines |
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| 03:40.33 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: what laptop model again? |
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| 03:41.08 | n0sq | i'm using a dell monitor setting but the video isn't as good as it was on the dell monitor |
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| 03:42.19 | kuznetzvo | acer aspire nav50. |
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| 03:42.45 | kuznetzvo | chipset sound is realtek a272x-gr (alsa package says it's supported by snd-intel-hda) |
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| 03:44.49 | debclair | hi everyone, I need Help. I was working just now with my laptop and it suddenly warned me my disk space was too low. I checked and then it dropped from 1.4 GB to 700 mb in ten seconds. I turned it off before the disk filled to top. What could be causing this? |
| 03:44.51 | somiaj | you don't have an hdmi monintor pluged into it? |
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| 03:44.55 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: ?? |
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| 03:45.46 | somiaj | debclair: what were you doing? |
| 03:45.48 | kuznetzvo | well the specifications said realtek A272x-GR but i think it's based on intel technology just repackaging their hardware into a realtek components that you can shove in a board since realktek isn't listed on the vendor list at alsa-project.org |
| 03:45.55 | somiaj | debclair: is it on the internet? |
| 03:46.19 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: yea it isn't ucommon to have various non intel people use that module...I thinkts the right module, I just think its some funky laptop option that your computer isn't dealing with. |
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| 03:46.32 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: that card as I said has tons of different models you can set as a parameter |
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| 03:46.53 | kuznetzvo | how and where? |
| 03:46.55 | somiaj | debclair: log file, debian pacakages, someone hakcing your system and putting porn on it |
| 03:47.21 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: well no hdmi pluged in (just double checking)...I thought yous aid you hit the kernel parameter model=auto eariler |
| 03:49.31 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: I had to add "options snd-hda-intel model=thinkpad" to my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file to get my headset audio to work right (and i'm not even on a thinkpad) |
| 03:49.33 | kuznetzvo | the modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ? |
| 03:49.53 | kuznetzvo | yeah i tried that set to auto AND acer-aspire |
| 03:49.57 | kuznetzvo | with index 1 |
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| 03:53.19 | kuznetzvo | right now in alsa-base.conf i've got "options snd-pcsp index=-2" and "options snd-hda-intel model=acer-aspire position_fix=1" |
| 03:53.23 | kuznetzvo | the rest is from original install |
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| 03:54.09 | somiaj | I would suggest messing around with different model idenitifiers, just rember to rmmod then modprobe it after changes |
| 03:54.16 | kuznetzvo | is there a command to reload/reset the modprobe data in alsa-base.conf when it's changed without rebooting? |
| 03:54.23 | kuznetzvo | hehe. timing |
| 03:54.47 | mauricio | somiaj, yeah, my laptop was connected to the internet, and i was just using internet on google chrome and watching a video in totem. What can it be? |
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| 03:54.52 | peterrooney | debclair - as root, du -sh /* /.* | sort -n mgiht take a while, but could tell you which dirs / files are largest. also, find /var -newer .bash_history would be my second investigation. |
| 03:55.05 | peterrooney | s/mgiht/might/; |
| 03:55.08 | Raptors_ | Does anyone else have probs with Sid Network manager? My connection keeps dropping like crazy. I wasn't having this prob on Winblows |
| 03:55.36 | somiaj | mauricio: unless you figure out where the data is...if someone comprimised your computer it could be anything. Caching could have eaten up some space, but that is awefuly quick. First thing is find where the data is (offline) |
| 03:57.04 | mauricio | somiaj, yeah I am booting up in a live usb linux mint to check where is the data that is filling up the disk. I'll do that now and Ill let you know |
| 03:57.06 | peterrooney | Raptors_: I'm still hoping someone comes up with a way for network-manager to die a slow and painful death. |
| 03:57.31 | tabakhase | mauricio file/foldersizes sorted + fancyStars, starting form the folder where you are in right now: du -k | sort -n | perl -ne 'if ( /^(\d+)\s+(.*$)/){$l=log($1+.1);$m=int($l/log(1024)); printf ("%6.1f\t%s\t%25s %s\n",($1/(2**(10*$m))),(("K","M","G","T","P")[$m]),"*"x (1.5*$l),$2);}' |
| 03:57.39 | somiaj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.56 | Lasers | What is debian-live-6.0.2-i386-rescue.iso for? Rescuing a broken system? |
| 04:02.18 | un214 | yeah |
| 04:02.23 | un214 | is there an x64 of that? |
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| 04:03.20 | Lasers | un214: Yes. |
| 04:03.44 | kuznetzvo | wait.. aslamixer isn't installed. only that volume control generic gui application with gnome |
| 04:03.47 | Lasers | un214: I'm uncertain if you're talking to me or not. :3 |
| 04:04.10 | un214 | I was |
| 04:04.15 | kuznetzvo | i am now installing all the relevant tools, sources, firmware, libs etc that could be in any way related to intel-hda along with the mixer-command line and gnome mixer |
| 04:04.18 | Lasers | un214: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.2-amd64-rescue.iso.torrent |
| 04:04.32 | kuznetzvo | see synaptic. see synaptic run. run synaptic run. |
| 04:04.44 | Lasers | un214: Thanks. I wasn't sure if that's for data recovery or just your basic rescue disc. I needed a LiveCD. |
| 04:05.00 | un214 | I've never seen the inside |
| 04:05.22 | mauricio | somiaj, Weird. I just used gparted in the live usb and it says my ext4 partition has 11.8 GB free |
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| 04:07.02 | kuznetzvo | ok i'm in gnome alsa mixer |
| 04:07.27 | somiaj | still mount the partition and search though it anyways. |
| 04:07.27 | kuznetzvo | sound card names and visibility: Realtek ALC272X (Realtek ALC272X) is specified and checked. nothing is muted. |
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| 04:07.31 | somiaj | mauricio: ^^ |
| 04:07.47 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz |
| 04:07.54 | somiaj | look though the models, try to play around...(: |
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| 04:14.57 | kuznetzvo | what the hell snd-intel-hda isn't even in there |
| 04:16.43 | somiaj | its snd-hda-intel |
| 04:16.44 | kuznetzvo | nevermind that i did a dyslexic thing |
| 04:16.46 | kuznetzvo | yeah |
| 04:17.36 | mauricio | somiaj, but it is not right, the system clearly stated that the disk space was filling up |
| 04:18.01 | mauricio | somiaj, I even got a system pop up warning about it twice. I rebooted and the problem continued, and got another pop up |
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| 04:18.58 | peterrooney | mauricio: possibly the problem lies in /tmp which is emptied sometime between shutdown and reboot |
| 04:21.50 | peterrooney | wonders how bad form it is to suggest someone unplugging their computer from the wall |
| 04:22.34 | un214 | good idea |
| 04:22.53 | peterrooney | un214: I feel queasy for saying it |
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| 04:23.18 | mauricio | petemc, when I boot, the state of the hard drive still drops from the last reboots value |
| 04:23.40 | mauricio | peterrooney, when I boot, the state of the hard drive still drops from the last reboots value |
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| 04:24.28 | mauricio | somiaj, peterrooney, i just mounted the partition in a live usb system and it says i just have 104.6 kb left |
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| 04:30.20 | peterrooney | mauricio: a perl script was shown earlier to make du output sensible. |
| 04:30.21 | kuznetzvo | crap. i totally don't understand what i'm reading.. |
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| 04:38.26 | kuznetzvo | ... shit the client is on his way now -.- |
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| 04:39.14 | kuznetzvo | im fucked. |
| 04:39.25 | kuznetzvo | been googling for 3 hours now -.- |
| 04:43.27 | liiwi | du -h ain't readable? |
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| 04:55.46 | rafa_ | im loving debian man |
| 04:56.08 | Guest72973 | dam |
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| 04:56.35 | hyper_ch | hi there, where can I find oldstable netinstall isos? |
| 04:57.10 | f00li5h | how do i see change notes for packages? |
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| 04:59.12 | peterrooney | f00li5h: apt-listchanges, IIRC |
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| 05:00.10 | f00li5h | it dies with a python stack trace |
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| 05:04.22 | roothorick | Okay, I'm confused. On Squeeze what's the "right" way to add IP Tables to startup? |
| 05:05.01 | liiwi | ferm? |
| 05:05.08 | kuznetzvo | now the sound IS working |
| 05:05.19 | kuznetzvo | when i press mute and volume hotkeys on keyboard the little animation coming up responding accordingly |
| 05:05.21 | kuznetzvo | and I do have sound |
| 05:05.30 | kuznetzvo | but the only issue is... it's really, really, really low |
| 05:05.36 | kuznetzvo | even on headset |
| 05:05.59 | roothorick | liiwi: I already have preexisting handwritten iptables rules, I'd rather not translate everything |
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| 05:07.49 | kuznetzvo | figured it out |
| 05:08.00 | kuznetzvo | the PCM (whatever the hell that is) was at 50% instead of max |
| 05:08.51 | kuznetzvo | increasing it's volume seems to have a non-linear effect related to the increase in apparent volume |
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| 05:11.37 | liiwi | roothorick: those are stil effective. custom init scriopts are admin land. |
| 05:11.44 | jmarsden | kuznetzvo: PCM is Pulse Code Modulation... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCM |
| 05:11.52 | liiwi | minus the typo there |
| 05:12.52 | kuznetzvo | interesting |
| 05:12.56 | kuznetzvo | also it did NOT like acer-aspire |
| 05:13.07 | kuznetzvo | it like options snd-hda-intel model=auto and NO OTHER PARAMETERS |
| 05:13.21 | somiaj | might be picking another model |
| 05:13.26 | faheem | what are my options as far as changing my email address in the debian bts for bugs i submitted? do I need to change submitter email for all bugs? |
| 05:13.27 | liiwi | automagic working is good |
| 05:14.07 | kuznetzvo | i tried like 6 different models mentioned in the /usr/share/doc/drivers*whatever and from google searches.. even tried auto before but left the other parameters in there because they were recommended in almost every forum result i found |
| 05:14.18 | kuznetzvo | this must be running like an uber new bios. |
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| 05:14.48 | liiwi | development does happen |
| 05:15.36 | liiwi | faheem: there should be note about that somewhere on the bts website, seen it once. |
| 05:16.25 | somiaj | kuznetzvo: glad you have sound, need something to listen to? |
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| 05:16.50 | kuznetzvo | tears for fears - head over heels |
| 05:16.56 | kuznetzvo | now to see if this thing has bluetooth |
| 05:16.59 | liiwi | uhh |
| 05:17.28 | nnull | looking to give debian a kick after a year or 2, grabbing first 2 dvds of current stable, good to go? |
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| 05:18.29 | somiaj | nnull: do you mind installing things over the internet or do you want to have the software in the dvd |
| 05:18.37 | somiaj | nnull: you can get away with 1 dvd, or just a netinstall cd |
| 05:18.55 | somiaj | nnull: but yes download as many dvd's as you like if you want the software installable from a dvd |
| 05:19.34 | kuznetzvo | if you have any kind of decent broadband connection, netinst is easier because less time to burn or make bootable on a usb drive |
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| 05:21.28 | somiaj | and you only install the packages you want as opposed to a whole dvd. |
| 05:21.45 | faheem | liiwi: I see submitter bugnumber originator-address. Is there any other option? |
| 05:22.35 | liiwi | faheem: should be easy to script |
| 05:23.19 | faheem | liiwi: pardon? |
| 05:24.06 | liiwi | faheem: mass mail that change, but be careful. |
| 05:24.34 | nnull | Right, thanks fellas. |
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| 05:26.19 | faheem | liiwi: ok, but is that command the only one I can use? |
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| 05:27.18 | faheem | so this would like like - submitter [lots of bug numbers] new address? |
| 05:27.33 | faheem | *look like |
| 05:29.28 | faheem | does submitter work with closed bugs? |
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| 05:38.54 | liiwi | faheem: sounds like a FAQ, but sorry, don't have time. |
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| 05:54.52 | gnarface | god i need some really super fucking basic ruby help right now |
| 05:55.03 | gnarface | does anyone do ANYTHING with ruby? |
| 05:55.05 | gnarface | Run the usual plugin migration `rake db:migrate_plugins RAILS_ENV=production` |
| 05:55.17 | gnarface | ^^^ i desperately need to know what that command did, and exactly how to undo it |
| 05:55.28 | gnarface | documentation on this matter is nonexistent |
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| 05:57.01 | f00li5h | gnarface: just check out the previous version |
| 05:57.05 | f00li5h | it won't matter what the command did. |
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| 05:58.59 | nsadmin | gnarface I've done a coupla things with ruby |
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| 06:00.30 | gnarface | f00li5h: without context that statement makes no sense to me |
| 06:00.38 | gnarface | nsadmin: can you tell me what that command does? |
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| 06:01.15 | nsadmin | not specifically... for one, I'm not sure what a plugin is and what it is to migrate one |
| 06:02.03 | nsadmin | but one thing I can tell you, is if you've defined a production site as it relates to the rakefile, the command affected that site |
| 06:02.05 | f00li5h | gnarface: the context is ruby based software engeneering. "check out" is an action one performs on version controlled source |
| 06:02.29 | f00li5h | I am suggesting that you get the software from before you did whatever that command does |
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| 06:03.13 | gnarface | f00li5h: that's precisely what i was trying to avoid |
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| 06:03.38 | nsadmin | it may have done something to the db |
| 06:03.38 | gnarface | f00li5h: primarily because i don't know which part(s) of ruby or its dependencies that just changed |
| 06:03.43 | f00li5h | so, you didn't commit your changes before running an automated tool to fuck with your code? |
| 06:04.12 | gnarface | f00li5h: i think you're making a basic mistaken assumption here - its the automated tool that broke here, not the code |
| 06:04.15 | f00li5h | get the un-messed with version, and re-install it's depends |
| 06:04.17 | nsadmin | what was the result of running it? |
| 06:04.34 | f00li5h | i have no choice but to make assumptions, you've provided very little actaul information |
| 06:04.45 | gnarface | ok |
| 06:04.47 | gnarface | the scenario |
| 06:04.48 | gnarface | redmine |
| 06:04.58 | gnarface | (some shitty wiki thing that basically looks abandoned) |
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| 06:05.21 | gnarface | after much abuse, i get it running on debian squeeze, and it even shows access to the svn repo |
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| 06:05.44 | gnarface | unfortunately in a moment of weakness i installed this: https://github.com/software-project/scrum-pm |
| 06:05.54 | gnarface | and now redmine can't see the repo anymore (yes, the repo is still there |
| 06:06.00 | gnarface | and now i just want to delete it |
| 06:06.16 | gnarface | it was a simple 4 step process, and the first 3 steps appear easy enough to reverse by deletion |
| 06:06.28 | gnarface | however i copy+pasted the last one before i realized i didn't have a plan to back it out |
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| 06:06.37 | gnarface | i know, foolish of me |
| 06:07.00 | nsadmin | does the woki have user data in it? |
| 06:07.03 | gnarface | yes |
| 06:07.05 | f00li5h | did it update your svn working copy? |
| 06:07.14 | gnarface | f00li5h: there's no working copy!!!! |
| 06:07.14 | f00li5h | dpkg seems to have a habit of doing that |
| 06:07.15 | dpkg | f00li5h: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 06:07.47 | gnarface | nsadmin: yes the wiki has user data in it, and that data is still all present and visible. it appears to only have been the repo access that broke. |
| 06:07.47 | f00li5h | i mean your svn client/server |
| 06:07.58 | gnarface | f00li5h: no, svn itself seems unaffected |
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| 06:08.48 | gnarface | there is a rather verbose error about this |
| 06:08.56 | f00li5h | does ruby offer a way to install packages into a directory other than the global one? |
| 06:09.04 | gnarface | but from googling around it seems to be the same error that ruby spits out for everything, so that's useless |
| 06:09.14 | f00li5h | install the depends for each of the apps into seperate places, so that their depend versions don't conflict |
| 06:09.51 | gnarface | f00li5h: another good suggestion but i was hoping to just reverse this command and back the changes out without re-imaging the whole machine. i didn't want to be here all damned weekend |
| 06:10.29 | f00li5h | what? |
| 06:10.34 | f00li5h | when did i say re-image anything? |
| 06:10.43 | nsadmin | can you duplicate this whole thing and wtart playint with the copy? |
| 06:10.44 | f00li5h | just install the apps, and their depends in seperate directories |
| 06:10.55 | f00li5h | nsadmin: no, it's his production system. |
| 06:11.03 | f00li5h | that's why he's so alarmed it broke. |
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| 06:11.20 | gnarface | hours, hours, hours |
| 06:11.24 | gnarface | what i really need |
| 06:11.27 | gnarface | is just a simple link |
| 06:11.28 | nsadmin | and he can't copy it? |
| 06:11.31 | gnarface | that explains what this command does |
| 06:11.38 | gnarface | i don't want to duplicate anything |
| 06:11.40 | f00li5h | gnarface: edit the makefile |
| 06:11.42 | f00li5h | look at the target |
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| 06:11.58 | nsadmin | or rather the rakefile :) |
| 06:12.04 | gnarface | which one? |
| 06:12.12 | gnarface | i can't even imagine where i'd look |
| 06:12.26 | f00li5h | in the working directory you ran make |
| 06:12.29 | f00li5h | or rake |
| 06:12.58 | gnarface | its got 5 lines that don't look like targets |
| 06:13.04 | gnarface | they all require files that don't exist |
| 06:13.31 | gnarface | i assume there's some basic knowledge here i'm missing about the behavior of rake and how its different from make |
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| 06:19.25 | f00li5h | about a month ago, i found a lucky cat charm |
| 06:19.50 | f00li5h | gnarface: it's likely that include statements cause it to search some kind of include path |
| 06:19.57 | f00li5h | pronounced "@INC" in perl |
| 06:20.04 | f00li5h | and "$PATH" in a shell |
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| 06:29.14 | kuznetzvo | alright. he doesn't care about webcam.. sound is fixed.. and bluetooth is installed. im done :) |
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| 06:29.53 | kuznetzvo | thanks again guys for pointing me in the right direction to figure it out. that's why i luv dis place |
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| 06:30.47 | petemc | ;qerlfmlkerfg |
| 06:31.53 | nsadmin | feeds that to the homeland security linux box.... |
| 06:31.57 | nsadmin | IM IN!! |
| 06:32.32 | petemc | :) |
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| 06:49.21 | Sp0tter | How does one fix: `GLIBC_2.14' not found and /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' , is that version not in the squeeze repo? strings /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 | grep GLIBC only shows up to 3.4.13 |
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| 07:07.19 | gnarface | how do i clear my cache in iceweasel these days? |
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| 07:19.50 | ompaul | gnarface: preferences, privacy, it all becomes obvious |
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| 07:25.02 | wols | Sp0tter: even my sid libtstdc++6 has no such symbol. from where is the binary that needs this GLIBC symbol? |
| 07:25.09 | gnarface | ompaul: i mean how do i do it if there's no button there anymore? |
| 07:25.30 | ompaul | gnarface: no button - ? |
| 07:25.33 | ompaul | what version |
| 07:25.54 | wols | ompaul: welcome to ffox doing shit to privacy dialogs so it's harder for people to not feed google and facebook |
| 07:25.56 | gnarface | ompaul: 6. but i haven't seen it since version 4. i can clear my *history* but that is not the same thing |
| 07:26.22 | ompaul | ah |
| 07:26.23 | wols | gnarface: it's in "advanced" |
| 07:26.58 | wols | advanced-network-offline "your cache currently uses xxx MB" (paraphrased from german) |
| 07:27.06 | Sp0tter | wols: i copied the file from an ubuntu install and it worked |
| 07:27.10 | gnarface | wols: thanks. i see it now |
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| 07:27.24 | ompaul | Sp0tter: frankenbuntu? |
| 07:27.31 | Sp0tter | yea |
| 07:27.36 | wols | Sp0tter: you mean it worked on ubuntu, right? shows again that debian is not ubuntu. what is this file? |
| 07:27.45 | Sp0tter | it worked in debian |
| 07:28.00 | wols | if it worked in debian why doesn't it work right now? something's fishy here |
| 07:28.02 | wols | more info needed |
| 07:28.06 | Sp0tter | it does fork now |
| 07:28.12 | Sp0tter | work* |
| 07:28.21 | wols | have fun then |
| 07:28.26 | Sp0tter | will do sir |
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| 07:44.54 | gnarface | f00li5h: gave up, dropped the database, restored from backup. you were right - i should have just done that 2 hours ago |
| 07:45.02 | gnarface | also, just for the record |
| 07:45.07 | gnarface | fuck redmine |
| 07:45.09 | gnarface | fuck ruby |
| 07:45.10 | gnarface | fuck scrum |
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| 07:45.18 | gnarface | and most of all fuck this thing: https://github.com/software-project/scrum-pm |
| 07:45.21 | gnarface | fuck it right in the goat ass |
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| 07:45.59 | gnarface | wtf type of plugin architecture requires database schema migrations *and* has no roll back feature? that's crap |
| 07:46.02 | gnarface | crap on a crap cracker |
| 07:46.08 | th0r | !op |
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| 07:48.15 | sauvin | I think it goes something like this... |
| 07:48.32 | sauvin | !ops gnarface needs something cool to drink, preferably loaded with tranqs |
| 07:48.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sauvin complains about: gnarface needs something cool to drink, preferably loaded with tranqs |
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| 07:49.14 | peterS | gnarface: there some reason you're ranting in #debian, rather than, I dunno, a PM to yourself? |
| 07:49.17 | mentor | gnarface: Calm down; explicit language isn't appreciated here |
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| 07:49.27 | gnarface | i'm over it |
| 07:49.29 | gnarface | sorry guys |
| 07:49.43 | wols | gnarface: debian does for example :) |
| 07:50.07 | wols | gnarface: sometimes database schemes need to be updated and you know that there is no downgrade possible |
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| 07:51.07 | linuxboy_ | Which is more superior for server use: Arch GNU/Linux or Debian? |
| 07:51.18 | mentor | It's usually possible but nobody has bothered to write the downgrade |
| 07:51.27 | mentor | Being able to run multiple instances is a better plan |
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| 07:52.27 | valdyn | linuxboy_: if you have to ask its debian |
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| 07:53.01 | sauvin | I wouldn't recommend arch. |
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| 07:53.17 | Armageddon | why would you, you're in a debian channel |
| 07:53.21 | wols | arch is a desktop distro: bleeding edge, frequent update. shiny! |
| 07:53.34 | sauvin | I don't care where I am. I wouldn't recommend arch for a server. |
| 07:53.40 | Armageddon | don't forget rolling distro |
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| 07:53.56 | Armageddon | wols, I would have to agree with sauvin |
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| 07:54.01 | linuxboy_ | I'm reluctant to try Debian because it contains software that is old and vulnerable to various exploits. |
| 07:54.07 | wols | yes: frequent updates as I said. but knowing a potential arch user, he'd probably run testing on that server... |
| 07:54.15 | wols | linuxboy_: you have no clue whatsoever |
| 07:54.16 | Armageddon | linuxboy_, which version of debian is the question |
| 07:54.18 | peterS | anything that people routinely refer to as a "distro" does not sound like it's suitable for servers. I don't get the feeling that knowledgeable server administrators tend to use the word "distro" at all |
| 07:54.19 | sauvin | Yup. That and all the hoops you have to jump through to configure it; stability and reliability are not foremost concerns for the arch crowd. |
| 07:54.29 | wols | linuxboy_: and I'm suspicious you are starting to troll |
| 07:54.31 | valdyn | linuxboy_: old software is by definition what servers run |
| 07:54.36 | mentor | linuxboy_: We have a security team⦠|
| 07:54.46 | valdyn | linuxboy_: so either youre totally clueless or youre trolling |
| 07:54.55 | Armageddon | valdyn, how about both ? |
| 07:54.56 | linuxboy_ | wols: Please keep me out of your assertions. |
| 07:54.59 | Armageddon | that is possible |
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| 07:55.15 | valdyn | yea, good point |
| 07:55.48 | Armageddon | guys, a friend of mine is trying to install debian on her laptop, she's getting a white screen, testing version btw, any ideas ? |
| 07:55.57 | mentor | A white screen, when? |
| 07:56.03 | Armageddon | after the installation ends |
| 07:56.08 | wols | Armageddon: easy: don't install testing |
| 07:56.21 | sauvin | lub his debian testing |
| 07:56.24 | valdyn | Armageddon: she should use the squeeze installer or if she needs to, then kmutos installer, not testing installers |
| 07:56.26 | Armageddon | wols, stable don't support her wireless, there is no way for her to connect to the internet |
| 07:56.36 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 07:56.36 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 07:56.38 | wols | sauvin: sure, but one doesn't install it. one upgrades ones stable install to it |
| 07:56.39 | valdyn | Armageddon: ^^ |
| 07:56.53 | linuxboy_ | In recent news: sauvin is still a nigger! He makes $10/hour working at a Warehouse LOL. sauvin you are a NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGE |
| 07:56.59 | sauvin | I would actually recommend newbies stick to stable. |
| 07:57.00 | linuxboy_ | In recent news: sauvin is still a nigger! He makes $10/hour working at a Warehouse LOL. sauvin you are a NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGE |
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| 07:57.02 | wols | Armageddon: answer mentor's question |
| 07:57.05 | Armageddon | linuxboy_, recent news, go get a damn life |
| 07:57.07 | linuxboy_ | In recent news: sauvin is still a nigger! He makes $10/hour working at a Warehouse LOL. sauvin you are a NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER! NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGE |
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| 07:57.21 | mentor | I suppose that removes any doubt at least |
| 07:57.27 | Armageddon | wols, I did |
| 07:57.33 | Armageddon | 03:55 < mentor> A white screen, when? |
| 07:57.33 | Armageddon | 03:56 < Armageddon> after the installation ends |
| 07:57.41 | mentor | cleans wols glasses |
| 07:57.44 | wols | Armageddon: after the installation ends it reboots |
| 07:57.50 | Armageddon | no it doesn't |
| 07:57.54 | Armageddon | white screen and stays there |
| 07:57.56 | wols | slaps away mentor's grubby hands |
| 07:57.58 | peterS | "still"? leaving aside all definitions and connotations of that word, being one surely is not time-bounded. |
| 07:58.02 | wols | my glasses are only touched by myself |
| 07:58.27 | wols | Armageddon: so if you reboot, what happens? |
| 07:58.32 | Armageddon | well the thing I liked in wheezy is that it detected her wireless and asked her to plugin the firmware |
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| 07:59.22 | valdyn | Armageddon: I dont know the current state if that installer, but its typically broken in some way at this stage |
| 07:59.40 | mentor | peterS: Maybe there was a rumour going around about some miracle and he wanted to clarify |
| 07:59.41 | Armageddon | wols, I'm asking |
| 07:59.46 | peterS | probably |
| 07:59.58 | wols | are you doing a "remote installation" there? |
| 08:00.10 | mentor | Incidentally, the mere fact that one has a job in the current environment isn't to be sniffed at. |
| 08:00.12 | Armageddon | wols, installation over whatsapp unfortunately |
| 08:00.24 | Armageddon | wols, white screen reappears on restart |
| 08:00.39 | wols | when does it reappear exactly? |
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| 08:01.50 | Armageddon | wols, after grub, so I'm assuming a driver issue |
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| 08:02.04 | wols | what videocard is it? |
| 08:02.12 | Armageddon | ATI probably |
| 08:02.23 | Armageddon | btw she's installing stable for the moment it works fine |
| 08:02.29 | wols | testing kernels are very particular about needing firmware. get the radeon firmware package from non-free and install it |
| 08:02.34 | Armageddon | but she has no wireless working properly |
| 08:02.46 | wols | yes, stable kernels don't need firmware, testing does. another testing brokenness |
| 08:03.17 | Armageddon | I'm guessing I'll help you install the firmwares of the wireless manually |
| 08:03.19 | wols | what wireless is it? cause it might work in 2.6.39 which is available for stable. some shitty realtek chips only work in 3.0 tho which you need testing for |
| 08:03.25 | Armageddon | intel something |
| 08:03.31 | Armageddon | iwlwist 5000 |
| 08:03.34 | Armageddon | something like that |
| 08:03.36 | mentor | needs firmware |
| 08:03.42 | wols | intel is supported by squeeze just fine. I have a intel 5100 myself |
| 08:03.43 | Armageddon | I downloaded the drivers for her |
| 08:04.01 | Armageddon | wols, iwlist says wireless doesn't support scanning |
| 08:04.10 | Armageddon | I don't find that to be supported ! :p |
| 08:04.17 | gnarface | ok here's a simple one: if i've got a private svn repo with a bogus ssl key, how do i keep a non-interactive script interface from choking on it? |
| 08:04.22 | wols | it needs firmware of course but it needs that in any debian |
| 08:04.36 | mentor | gnarface: Install the ssl cert locally |
| 08:04.51 | Armageddon | wols, I'm not saying otherwise, but there was no way for me of knowing which one she needed as I'm not physically there |
| 08:04.54 | peterS | gnarface: one way is to run svn interactively and accept the cert, then it'll be cached in ~/.subversion somewhere |
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| 08:05.26 | wols | Armageddon: same solution: non-free has the firmware |
| 08:05.40 | Armageddon | wols, I know, I downloaded them for her |
| 08:05.44 | gnarface | mentor: by locally how do you mean exactly? its a self-signed cert, and the script is running on the same box as the repo |
| 08:05.58 | gnarface | peterS: how about if i don't want this user to have a home directory? |
| 08:05.59 | mentor | er |
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| 08:06.13 | gnarface | peterS: or at least, i don't want it to write stuff to its home directory |
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| 08:06.18 | peterS | gnarface: wait ... running on the same box as the repo? skip http then, just use a file:///path/to/repo URL |
| 08:06.19 | mentor | /usr/share/local/ca-certificates |
| 08:06.20 | mentor | ? |
| 08:06.36 | mentor | But⦠what peterS said |
| 08:06.45 | peterS | gnarface: then there's no worries about certificates or anything. the user _does_ need read access to the repository dir, note |
| 08:06.53 | gnarface | well the script isn't the *only* thing accessing it. remote users will need to as well |
| 08:07.10 | peterS | gnarface: also, I note that #svn here on freenode is not too bad at svn support. it doesn't hvae 1000 people in it like #debian, but.. |
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| 08:07.31 | Armageddon | wols, do you think she can move from stable to testing without problem ? or does she need specific firmwares and drivers ? |
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| 08:08.02 | peterS | gnarface: anyway, for a more specific solution, pass --non-interactive --trust-server-cert to your svn command lines in scripts |
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| 08:08.20 | kornerr | hi |
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| 08:08.25 | wols | no problem. my only hitch migrating a thinkpad with intel 5100 and ati graphics was the aforementioned kernel problem where ati missed firmware (needed even for the radeon OSS driver) |
| 08:08.51 | wols | ok, this was 2-3 months back and testing is moving, but still: no major problems expected |
| 08:08.53 | Armageddon | well she can stay with stable then |
| 08:09.11 | Armageddon | if she chooses to move I'll send her here |
| 08:09.19 | wols | Armageddon: sandy bridge cpu or what? |
| 08:10.01 | kornerr | I've installed wine-unstable instead of normal wine, it was 1.2.37 version. after I removed it with dpkg -r, apt-get install wine doesn't find anything. I get the 1.2.37 version got left somewhere? |
| 08:10.02 | Armageddon | wols, what are you talking about exactly ? |
| 08:10.32 | wols | I ask about her hardware. if it's an intel sandy bridge CPU for example. which would suggest testing for various reasons |
| 08:10.34 | kornerr | it says No candidate version found for libwine |
| 08:10.43 | wols | just checking her hardware to recommend the best course of action |
| 08:10.54 | Armageddon | wols, it's a toshiba laptop with intel cpu, probably core 2 duo |
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| 08:11.06 | wols | kornerr: dpkg -l |grep wine to see if anything was "left over" |
| 08:11.23 | peterS | kornerr: where on earth did you find a wine-unstable 1.2.37? that has never been in Debian |
| 08:11.44 | Armageddon | peterS, he never said in debian :p |
| 08:11.46 | wols | peterS: when debian fails, lots of shitty 3rd party repos spring up... |
| 08:12.10 | Armageddon | wols, he never said he used a .deb package |
| 08:12.22 | kornerr | peterS: 1.3.27, http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 08:12.23 | wols | Armageddon: "after I removed it with dpkg -r" |
| 08:12.24 | peterS | Armageddon: he's talking in #debian. I assume when someone says "I installed foo", they mean they installed the Debian version of foo. It's a pretty common shorthand around here. |
| 08:12.34 | kornerr | they are not working properly at all, unfortunately |
| 08:12.43 | wols | Armageddon: unless dpkg can remove other packaging formats too? |
| 08:12.54 | kornerr | wols: nothing is marked with "left over" |
| 08:13.02 | wols | !tell kornerr about bat |
| 08:13.49 | Armageddon | peterS, I understand that but it's an assumption... some people try some stuff, copy paste commands from online links |
| 08:14.18 | peterS | Armageddon: yes, well, wine-unstable is the name of a Debian package. if you installed wine from a source tarball, you wouldn't call it that, you'd call it wine |
| 08:14.29 | kornerr | wols: history of commands I've done? |
| 08:14.36 | Armageddon | peterS, ok |
| 08:15.39 | wols | kornerr: I don't see any "history" mentioned in this factoid. could you please point me to where it asks of a history? |
| 08:16.36 | Armageddon | well thanks very much guys |
| 08:16.40 | kornerr | complete list of apt-get run? |
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| 08:17.12 | wols | you get an error. we want to see the command that produces the error and its output and we also want the rest of the info asked for in the !bat factoid |
| 08:17.30 | Armageddon | tremendous help as always |
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| 08:17.47 | peterS | kornerr: in general I suspect you have multiple binary packages installed that are related to the wine-unstable distribution you found. as someone else said earlier, I believe, you can find out what you've got with: dpkg -l \*wine\* | grep ^ii |
| 08:19.14 | kornerr | I have this for dpkg -l | grep wine: http://pastie.org/pastes/2475056/text |
| 08:19.55 | peterS | so wine-doc is still installed, but nothing else with wine in the name |
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| 08:20.15 | kornerr | well. I tried it install it after I removed wine-unstable |
| 08:20.31 | kornerr | I thought may be it will bring normal wine back, but it doesn't depend on it :( |
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| 08:21.01 | peterS | normal wine is what you're looking for. though for various irritating reasons, wine in debian is hopelessly outdated. |
| 08:21.15 | peterS | it sais libwine isn't available? |
| 08:21.44 | peterS | it certainly should be available, if you're on the i386, amd64, or kfreebsd-i386 architectures |
| 08:22.00 | peterS | (wine isn't provided for other architectures, in Debian) |
| 08:22.14 | kornerr | it says No candidate version found for libwine |
| 08:22.29 | wols | kornerr: output of apt-cache policy please |
| 08:22.31 | peterS | does 'apt-cache policy libwine' show that it is available? |
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| 08:23.09 | kornerr | http://pastie.org/pastes/2475061/text |
| 08:23.12 | peterS | wols: 'apt-cache policy libwine' is probably more useful than 'apt-cache policy please' (: |
| 08:23.43 | peterS | kornerr: so that means it can't find a libwine in the repository. what is your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 08:24.03 | wols | peterS: if there is no candidate found then your command should be empty, no? since there is no libwine to be found. apt-cache policy shows what repos are actually available. and we can tell if one of them has libwine in it |
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| 08:24.41 | peterS | wols: look closer. it says it's in /var/lib/dpkg/status, which means it's being tracked as having been formerly installed. it does not list any repositories. |
| 08:24.52 | kornerr | I have deb http://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib and deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main non-free contrib |
| 08:25.22 | peterS | kornerr: aha. wine was removed from wheezy. you'll need squeeze or sid in sources.list |
| 08:25.31 | kornerr | whhhat |
| 08:25.36 | wols | peterS: obviously when he installed the carbon files. but we already know that it's not in any repo due to the error message. which I why I immediately wanted to know what repos he uses |
| 08:25.36 | babilen | !wine-unstable |
| 08:25.36 | dpkg | Unofficial but more up-to-date builds of wine-unstable for sid at http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 08:25.43 | babilen | kornerr: Or those ^^^ |
| 08:25.56 | peterS | babilen: umm. that's what he had already. |
| 08:26.02 | kornerr | lol. yeah :) |
| 08:26.03 | wols | babilen: he just uninstalled those since he doesn't like them :P |
| 08:26.04 | peterS | babilen: scroll up a little and you'll see |
| 08:26.11 | wols | peterS: he just arrived |
| 08:26.16 | babilen | indeed |
| 08:26.24 | babilen | Sorry for the noise in that case |
| 08:26.33 | kornerr | wow. so I am only left with an old wine from squeeze or non-working unstable... |
| 08:26.47 | kornerr | somebody abondaned wine O_o |
| 08:26.50 | peterS | kornerr: I'm sure wine was removed from wheezy because version 1.0.1 is so outdated it is not worth shipping in the next release. Presumably at some point, someone will finally upload a wine 1.2 or 1.3 to unstable. |
| 08:26.57 | wols | kornerr: I wouldn't say that sid is currently working worse than wheezy, but that's just me |
| 08:26.59 | peterS | kornerr: it is a long sad story, actually |
| 08:27.11 | kornerr | yeah, very sad... |
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| 08:27.38 | wols | kornerr: what problem did you have with the carbon wine debs? |
| 08:27.42 | peterS | kornerr: for a very long time, wine could not be compiled with debian's compilers. then after that, certain _bits_ of newer versions of wine (specifically, the gecko plugin) could not be built. I'm not sure what the current status is. |
| 08:27.48 | babilen | kornerr: Fix the bugs or package the new version -- You are using a development branch of Debian. We are, however, also displeased by the state of wine in Debian and unsure why the maintainer does not upload a newer version despite being active. |
| 08:27.54 | kornerr | wols: it didn't run cmake.exe, but the old one did. |
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| 08:28.38 | peterS | babilen: have you tried building a newer version of wine? does it work, including win64 support, with one of Debian's mingw packages yet? |
| 08:28.45 | kornerr | though, the old one didn't run windres.exe of MinGW, and new one did. |
| 08:28.46 | kornerr | heh |
| 08:28.54 | babilen | peterS: No, I don't really care about wine. |
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| 08:29.18 | peterS | Debian mingw32 and mingw-w64 are a complicated mess, and they could not build recent versions of wine for years. I do not know if this has been completely addressed yet. |
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| 08:29.49 | peterS | wine 1.0 didn't support win64 to any meaningful degree, so that part of the compiler support was not needed back then |
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| 08:31.31 | kornerr | sometimes whishes for one linux distribution so that there's enough human power to not allow things to get outdated |
| 08:32.08 | babilen | peterS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557783 |
| 08:32.19 | peterS | part of the problem, it seems, is that MinGW upstream decided they didn't care too much about Linux cross-compiling, they mostly care about building natively on Windows |
| 08:32.42 | peterS | babilen: I've read it, thanks. how do you think I know the things I've been saying? |
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| 08:35.27 | kornerr | I reinstalled carbon's wine and it works fine with Delphi that I use at work |
| 08:35.39 | kornerr | so my cmake.exe not working with it might simply wine's problem, not carbon's one |
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| 08:36.39 | wols | how exactly is it not working? wine loves to spit out lots of warnings and errors |
| 08:39.14 | peterS | I'm tempted to make a snide comment about having one more reason to avoid CMake if at all possible, but I'm sure that wouldn't actually be helpful |
| 08:39.22 | kornerr | wols: http://pastie.org/pastes/2475108/text |
| 08:39.49 | kornerr | well cmake saved lots of my time, so such comments won't be appreciated :P |
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| 08:40.29 | kornerr | looks like wrong dll name |
| 08:40.32 | wols | kornerr: try either winetricks if it has the msvcp90 dlls (I guess VC redist 2009 or so) |
| 08:40.46 | wols | or if that failes, use a cmake which is compiled with an earlier VisualC++ build |
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| 08:41.09 | wols | basically your cmake is compiled with a too new MSVC imho |
| 08:41.12 | peterS | they should come up with a name for this situation. I suggest ... "DLL Hell"! |
| 08:41.31 | kornerr | hm |
| 08:41.40 | kornerr | it wasn't too new for wine-1.0.1 though :) |
| 08:41.54 | kornerr | that thing looked more like name mangling |
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| 08:44.28 | peterS | hmmm, c++filt doesn't seem to recognise the symbol rfind@?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QBEIPBDII@Z, but then, 'man c++filt' makes no mention of the win32 ABI |
| 08:45.46 | peterS | even amd64-mingw32msvc-c++filt (from the mingw32-binutils package) doesn't seem to know how to demangle it |
| 08:45.58 | wols | I doubt c++filt on linux understands how MSVC++ mangles its code. one of the glorious things the C++ standards leave undeclared |
| 08:46.12 | peterS | wols: yeah...see my next line there |
| 08:48.25 | xingu | the great thing about standards is there's so many to choose from |
| 08:50.32 | wols | there is only one C++ standard. it's just a shitty standard :P |
| 08:51.04 | peterS | only one? you're kidding. it's been through several revisions, each one hairier than the last. |
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| 08:53.42 | wols | peterS: one standard, different revisions/versions |
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| 08:54.02 | peterS | you can call it that if you want. the're pretty different. |
| 08:54.07 | wols | and of course no full implementation of this standard you can run on actual hardware anywhere :) |
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| 08:54.21 | wols | but they are still produced by the same ANSI folks, no? |
| 08:54.38 | peterS | did you say ANSI or ISO? |
| 08:55.10 | wols | I guess it's ISO? or is ANSI actually doing a different standard? |
| 08:55.24 | wols | thought that was 30+ years in the past, but maybe I'm wrong |
| 08:56.21 | peterS | pretty sure it is ISO but it may have been ANSI circa 1989. so not necessarily the "same folks" |
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| 08:57.52 | wols | yes, ANSI did C89, but I wouldn't consider that C++ |
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| 08:58.09 | wols | ah: C90 is then the ISO ratification of C89 from ANSI |
| 08:58.30 | peterS | not C89. that's C, not C++. I meant whatever Stroustrup's original C++ got called |
| 08:59.01 | peterS | (hence the 'circa' as I don't remember what year it was published, either) |
| 08:59.18 | babilen | recommends #debian-offtopic |
| 09:00.25 | wols | "In 1983, the name of the language was changed from C with Classes to C++" |
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| 09:01.01 | peterS | I wonder what their objective was |
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| 09:11.40 | Kromgol | In my router, my server shows up as (unknown) as hostname, is it possible to change that hostname? |
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| 09:11.51 | Kromgol | I know ubuntu got some send host-name or whatever |
| 09:12.34 | skilz | Kromgol, Router as in Debian PC or actual dedicated router? |
| 09:12.45 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.49 | Kromgol | My own dedicated router |
| 09:12.50 | wols | Kromgol: you can change it there |
| 09:12.54 | Kromgol | Mkay. |
| 09:12.55 | Kromgol | Thanks. |
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| 09:16.43 | kornerr | wols: peterS: I had to run 'winetricks vcrun2008'. now cmake.exe runs fine |
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| 09:16.53 | kornerr | oh man |
| 09:17.23 | kornerr | it even complied zlib succesfully! wine-1.0.1 couldn't |
| 09:17.25 | kornerr | coold. |
| 09:17.27 | kornerr | *cool |
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| 09:18.38 | StarFire_ | Hello World |
| 09:18.57 | StarFire_ | I have a problem with nvidia in unstable |
| 09:19.24 | peterS | zlib uses cmake now? |
| 09:19.43 | kornerr | yep |
| 09:19.45 | StarFire_ | xserver-xorg-nvidia says that id depends on xorg-abi-10, xorg-abi-8 or xorg-abi-6.0, but non of them seems to be available |
| 09:19.50 | wols | peterS: o tempora, o mores! |
| 09:20.07 | StarFire_ | but xserver-xorg-core is installed and provides xorg-abi-10 |
| 09:20.25 | StarFire_ | What's wrong? |
| 09:20.37 | wols | StarFire_: there is no xserver-xorg-nvidia in debian |
| 09:21.15 | peterS | he probably means xserver-xorg-video-nvidia and he probably means in non-free |
| 09:21.21 | StarFire_ | wols: sorry, I meant xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 09:21.33 | StarFire_ | peterS: yes, exactly |
| 09:22.16 | wols | StarFire_: how did you install it? should work just fine |
| 09:22.37 | peterS | also you probably mean xserver-video-abi-8, not xserver-abi-8 |
| 09:23.22 | StarFire_ | peterS: xorg-video-abi-10 |
| 09:24.03 | StarFire_ | wols: Yes, it did until nvidia updated to 280.13-1 |
| 09:24.31 | StarFire_ | Now I updated today again to 280.13-3, but it still does not work |
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| 09:24.58 | StarFire_ | I re-installed xserver-xorg-core, but that did not help either |
| 09:25.44 | StarFire_ | (even worse: I held the old packages, but now xserver-xorg-video-nvidia got uninstalled) |
| 09:25.47 | wols | at which point do you get the error message? have you tried building the nvidia packages yourself? |
| 09:26.55 | StarFire_ | wols: when I try to 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia' it says: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia has unresolved dependencies |
| 09:27.29 | StarFire_ | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia depends on xorg-video-abi-10, but it is not available |
| 09:27.39 | StarFire_ | and the same for abi-8 and abi-6.0 |
| 09:28.19 | wols | create your own .deb packages from the non-free sid sources imho. if needed, remove this dependency |
| 09:29.47 | xingu | starfire's right, the -2 package depended on abi-11, the -3 package now (correctly) depends on the not-in-sid abi-10. |
| 09:30.07 | StarFire_ | xingu: not-in-sid? |
| 09:30.08 | xingu | but hey, it's called unstable for a reason, right? |
| 09:30.28 | StarFire_ | But why does xserver-xorg-core say that if provides it? |
| 09:30.47 | StarFire_ | s/if/it |
| 09:31.44 | xingu | StarFire_: sid has moved to xorg 11; sid's xserver-xorg-core provides video-abi-11 only. |
| 09:31.53 | StarFire_ | xingu: Yes, it's called unstable, but not un-logic ;-) |
| 09:32.41 | StarFire_ | xingu: you're right |
| 09:32.55 | peterS | StarFire_: I note that experimental has a newer xserver-xorg-video-nvidia. maybe it works with abi 11? |
| 09:33.01 | nsadmin | anyone notice that when kde wants to do things like update its panels, the mouse freezes momentarily as if the panel updating happens on the same thread as mouse movement? |
| 09:33.09 | StarFire_ | I must have looked at another package, when I saw abi-10 |
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| 09:33.37 | peterS | StarFire_: sid did move from 10 to 11 pretty recently, so packages.debian.org for example may still think it's on abi 10 |
| 09:33.54 | xingu | starfire: fyi - http://lists.x.org/pipermail/xorg-devel/2011-August/024752.html |
| 09:34.08 | StarFire_ | yes, I will report it as a bug for 280.13-3 |
| 09:34.14 | xingu | it's not a bug. |
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| 09:34.27 | xingu | the _old_ behaviour was a bug, -3 fixes it. |
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| 09:36.20 | StarFire_ | xingu: Now I am confused: You say 280.13-3 is a fix, but I can't install that driver... |
| 09:36.32 | xingu | StarFire_: correct; read the link above. |
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| 09:37.38 | StarFire_ | I read the mail: It says that the ABI_EXTENSIONS was bumped to 6.0 |
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| 09:38.02 | xingu | StarFire_: libglx is not compatible with abi 11 |
| 09:38.21 | xingu | (nvidia's libglx, that is) |
| 09:38.24 | StarFire_ | hmm |
| 09:38.34 | StarFire_ | that's bad news |
| 09:39.10 | xingu | StarFire_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=639737 |
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| 09:42.07 | StarFire_ | Looks like I have to install the noudveau driver until this issue is fixed... |
| 09:43.38 | xingu | or use 285.03 from experimental |
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| 09:45.12 | jelly-home | and hope the abi mismatch isn't really important? :-) |
| 09:45.19 | xingu | it is. :) |
| 09:45.29 | xingu | transparent menus in at least one WM. :) |
| 09:45.38 | jelly-home | oh noes |
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| 09:47.04 | StarFire_ | xingu: I suppose it won't take long until 285 is in unstable |
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| 09:47.18 | peterS | yeah if I suddenly had trasparent menus I'd be pissed ... wait, I don't even use wm menus much, maybe I wouldn't notice |
| 09:48.27 | xingu | StarFire_: I'd take a very very good guess that this will be status quo until upstream works around the train smash they've been handed; upstream has actually stated "It may be that we need to skip xserver 1.11.0 if my hunch is correct and this is a bug in the X server." just to put this in perspective. |
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| 09:48.50 | xingu | abi breakage isn't fun for anyone. |
| 09:49.11 | xingu | let's hope it's only nvidia-glx that's affected and not userspace. :) |
| 09:49.32 | xingu | well, s/userspace/other applications/ |
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| 09:49.45 | StarFire_ | xingu: well, if it'd take longer than usual, nvidia could also switch to kms... |
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| 09:50.06 | xingu | they might; I might be having unicorn steaks for dinner tonight |
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| 09:51.05 | StarFire_ | xingu: hehe |
| 09:51.36 | StarFire_ | but dinner reminds me: I hvae to go for lunch; see you later |
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| 09:52.01 | xingu | StarFire_: abi 11 will be supported, but for xorg > 1.11.0 iotw. |
| 09:52.26 | StarFire^lunch | xingu: thanks |
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| 09:53.59 | jetscreamer | nouveau blows chunks imo, installed stable, all default. crummy console fonts... kill nouveau and viola |
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| 09:54.31 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: I don't think teh console fonts are any different. |
| 09:54.36 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: It should only change the resolution. |
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| 09:55.08 | jetscreamer | it loads the drm or dri module which affects the console, when you start x.. least did here probably wouldn't for anybody else |
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| 09:58.17 | jetscreamer | lose that and console-setup and it behaves normally |
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| 10:00.35 | jetscreamer | once i lost nouveau, i could at least read the tiny fonts |
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| 10:00.52 | jetscreamer | maybe it looks better on an lcd |
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| 10:02.56 | niman | hi every one i need to know how can i run one apllication with gtk+userinterface without display manager (like a gdm or any more ) when live debian booted ? |
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| 10:03.45 | valdyn | niman: run "startx" when theres no dm |
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| 10:06.38 | niman | valdyn:i have no dm so how can i intall startx when dm's not install ? |
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| 10:07.00 | valdyn | niman: startx does not depend on a dm |
| 10:07.14 | valdyn | niman: youre probably confused about what a dm is |
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| 10:07.53 | niman | valdyn: hhmmm you right whats dm ? (like a gdm or kdm ?) |
| 10:08.32 | valdyn | niman: a program that lets you log in graphically |
| 10:08.43 | valdyn | niman: its not what enables graphics |
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| 10:11.44 | sonney2k | does anyone know what is going on with alioth? |
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| 10:44.56 | aminpy | how can I add /usr/local/lib to debian paths? |
| 10:45.00 | aminpy | library paths |
| 10:45.02 | aminpy | * |
| 10:45.43 | nsadmin | do you understand environment vars? |
| 10:46.12 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:46.35 | Bushmills | dots, not commaes |
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| 10:47.15 | Bushmills | and man ldconfig |
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| 10:50.02 | aminpy | Bushmills, should I create a file (libc.conf) and add /usr/local/lib to it? |
| 10:50.03 | aminpy | in that address? |
| 10:50.32 | Bushmills | right |
| 10:52.30 | aminpy | thansk |
| 10:52.35 | Bushmills | though debian's libc-bin adds a file there with /usr/local/lib already |
| 10:52.56 | Bushmills | why don't you have debian's libc-bin installed? |
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| 11:07.52 | skilz | Instead of sshing to my network server like ssh 192.68.0.1 how can I use hostname like ssh ataraxia? |
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| 11:08.12 | valdyn | skilz: why cant you use the hostname? |
| 11:08.46 | skilz | ssh: Could not resolve hostname ataraxia: Name or service not known |
| 11:09.30 | valdyn | skilz: theres few databases that are used, the easiest is /etc/hosts, but that only affects accesses from localhost |
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| 11:11.03 | valdyn | skilz: if avahi is set up then ataraxia.local might work |
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| 11:11.35 | meepmeep_ | maybe having a local network dns server is an overkill, but also a solution |
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| 11:11.59 | jason404 | what is /usr/sbin/select-default-wordlist for? |
| 11:12.16 | jason404 | it does not seem to do anything when I run ity |
| 11:12.20 | valdyn | jason404: the stuff it sais in the manpage |
| 11:12.23 | skilz | valdyn, no go |
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| 11:12.41 | valdyn | skilz: so use /etc/hosts |
| 11:12.56 | jason404 | valdyn: what little the man page says, I do not understand it |
| 11:13.00 | valdyn | skilz: "man hosts" |
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| 11:13.36 | jason404 | I have some symlinks that point to nothing in my moinmoin config, and this seems to have something to do with it |
| 11:14.52 | valdyn | jason404: running that program as root does what the manpage advertises, it spawns the dialogue to select the default wordlist |
| 11:15.44 | jason404 | valdyn: when I run it, nothing appears to happen. what has happened? |
| 11:16.02 | valdyn | jason404: i dont know, maybe no wordlist is installed |
| 11:16.21 | jason404 | valdyn: what is a wordlist for? |
| 11:16.32 | valdyn | jason404: dictionary |
| 11:16.40 | jason404 | ic |
| 11:16.42 | valdyn | jason404: text correction in text programs |
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| 11:16.51 | jason404 | ah |
| 11:16.58 | skilz | jason404, cracking wifi passwords |
| 11:17.00 | valdyn | jason404: or a source for password cracking |
| 11:17.11 | valdyn | jason404: used for whatever someone needs it |
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| 11:17.44 | valdyn | jason404: apt-cache search wordlist |
| 11:17.50 | jason404 | thanks |
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| 11:18.05 | djura-san | o/~ |
| 11:19.18 | jason404 | I went for wbritish-insane |
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| 11:32.23 | laurus | Does anyone know of a simple GTK or Qt timer application where one can start and stop the timer ticking down with a button press? |
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| 11:41.46 | Bushmills | laurus: stopwatch |
| 11:41.57 | laurus | Bushmills, just found it, thanks! :) |
| 11:42.08 | laurus | Very strange looking application, but hey, it works. |
| 11:42.08 | Bushmills | sorry. that's counting up, not down |
| 11:42.24 | laurus | Bushmills, well it's good enough :) Thanks. |
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| 11:43.39 | fbs | How do i trace everhting that happens when i insert lets say an usb pen |
| 11:44.02 | fbs | alle the stuff that udev etc does |
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| 11:51.14 | nevyn | fbs: seeing what the kernel does is pretty straightforward seeing what udev does much much less so ime |
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| 11:54.40 | fbs | nevyn: i got this xfce install that doesnt mount usb pens and doesnt give me access to my smart-card reader |
| 11:54.56 | fbs | so i want to find out which part goes wrong |
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| 12:00.28 | fbs | nevyn: any tips? |
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| 12:15.17 | DummyMode | good morning |
| 12:15.26 | f00li5h | meow. |
| 12:15.31 | nnull | hiss. |
| 12:15.42 | nsadmin | mooph. |
| 12:16.05 | f00li5h | Clarus? |
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| 12:16.38 | nnull | just about to start preparing my stable for a eeepc install, been a while. |
| 12:17.05 | nsadmin | what does that mean? |
| 12:18.00 | nsadmin | nnull, what is "your stable" and what prep is necessary? |
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| 12:19.28 | nnull | my stable iso onto a usb stick, its pretty advanced stuff i dont expect you to understand. (lolz) |
| 12:19.43 | nnull | its late, im drunk, bewaaare |
| 12:19.59 | nnull | what are you guys doing |
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| 12:24.10 | aussa | is there a sgfxi support channel? |
| 12:25.16 | anadon | where is a link to dpkg and its source and a good explanation of how it works? Also, how do I tell 'make' to multi-thread? |
| 12:26.06 | ompaul | aussa: who knows, you can do all the things it offers in a debian way with the exception of the ati drivers but even that is documented |
| 12:26.06 | wols | apt-get source dpkg should give you all the source you need |
| 12:26.14 | Odaym | "Linux, making you feel stupid since 1992." --Oday Maleh |
| 12:26.15 | wols | export CONCURRENT_LEVEL=x |
| 12:26.17 | anadon | cools |
| 12:26.30 | ompaul | Odaym: not 1991? |
| 12:26.47 | Odaym | not according to wikipedia :P |
| 12:26.49 | wols | aussa: what went wrong when you installed your made debs with dpkg -i? |
| 12:27.04 | Odaym | but you're right, since it was this year that the 20th anniversary happened |
| 12:27.14 | anadon | Ubuntu components from debian, so I'm not sure that'll work on my machine. I'll go bug them about the multi-threading then. |
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| 12:27.46 | aussa | wols: yeah, the I messed it up installing the drivers through sgfxi |
| 12:27.57 | aussa | then* |
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| 12:28.20 | wols | and why did you try to do such a thing? |
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| 12:28.37 | anadon | where does 'apt-get source dpkg' put the source? |
| 12:28.46 | wols | in your current directory |
| 12:28.51 | anadon | kk |
| 12:29.14 | aussa | wols: I thought it was easier that way |
| 12:29.18 | wols | anadon: "Ubuntu components from debian" what does that mean? |
| 12:29.57 | anadon | Ubuntu pulls alot from the debian distro |
| 12:30.03 | anadon | alot alot |
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| 12:30.46 | wols | anadon: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 12:31.32 | anadon | ubuntu |
| 12:31.41 | wols | then please ask #ubuntu for help. thank you |
| 12:31.52 | anadon | but for stuff like this, its hard to expect the channel to know this |
| 12:32.05 | alexbodn | hello friends, |
| 12:32.05 | alexbodn | i have an usb webcam with vendor:product ids 05e1:0b01. as this is not in /var/lib/usbutils/usb.ids, no action seems to be taken. but that is documented to be equivalent to 174F:A311, which seems to be there. |
| 12:32.05 | alexbodn | how should i go to add an entry to the real database (that is pointing ids to modules)? |
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| 12:33.22 | wols | alexbodn: is this a kernel level driver you use a userlevel? |
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| 12:33.48 | petan | hi I got problems running 3.0.3 kernel on debian, someone got it running? |
| 12:33.51 | wols | anadon: it doesn't matter. you are wrong here. please ask ubuntu for further help. good day |
| 12:33.58 | wols | !tell petan about errors |
| 12:34.03 | alexbodn | wols: the cam driver is in the kernel |
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| 12:34.18 | wols | and it should check the kernel for usb ids afaik |
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| 12:34.38 | petan | it boot ok but I can't switch tty |
| 12:34.53 | petan | or some drivers work slower than before |
| 12:34.59 | alexbodn | wols: do you mean the ids db is in the kernel itself? |
| 12:35.04 | wols | various people run 3.0 in squeeze, without anyone reporting anything |
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| 12:35.37 | petan | actually those are two things I most dislike, also I got some errors like device not found but I don't think it matter |
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| 12:35.48 | wols | every kernel module decides itself which usb or pci ids it services normally. as i said: if it's a kernel module. afaik webcams might have certain user level components but I don't own one so I'm not sure |
| 12:35.50 | aussa | wols: what do you suggest me to do, reinstall debian?? |
| 12:36.17 | wols | aussa: I don't know what your actual problem is and what sgfxi does and how it fucks things up |
| 12:36.25 | aussa | hahahaa' |
| 12:36.36 | wols | aussa: is this sgfxi coming as a .deb file or debian repository? |
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| 12:36.48 | petan | is there some change in 3x kernel that switching tty is now problem? I didn't know it's related to kernel |
| 12:37.02 | petan | I though it's x server |
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| 12:37.42 | wols | 3.0 kernel is 2.6.40, nothing else. the changes are likewise |
| 12:37.53 | petan | I think so |
| 12:37.58 | alexbodn | wols. that makes sense programmatic-ally. but do you know of a way to add an entry to that db? |
| 12:37.58 | petan | it was described in changelog |
| 12:38.06 | wols | did you install a debian kernel or compile your own. if compiled your own: why? |
| 12:38.08 | petan | but for some reason it does this, so I ask... |
| 12:38.17 | wols | alexbodn: recompile the kernel module |
| 12:38.26 | wols | petan: why do you run kernel 3.0? |
| 12:38.28 | petan | compiled, because 3.0.x isn't available compiled |
| 12:38.46 | wols | ,kernels |
| 12:38.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 12:38.52 | alexbodn | thanks wols. that's what i'll try :) |
| 12:38.56 | petan | because it comes with some virtual stuff and updates in drivers, I got problem with my board in this kernel |
| 12:39.09 | wols | petan: again: why did you compile 3.0? |
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| 12:39.25 | aussa | wols: as this: "cd /usr/local/bin && wget -O sgfxi smxi.org/sgfxi && chmod +x sgfxi && sgfxi" |
| 12:39.39 | petan | this kernel meant the 2.6x, so I hoped 3.0x would fix it |
| 12:39.52 | wols | aussa: oh shit |
| 12:39.53 | PsyTrance | my dvb-t don't work with kernel 3.0, so i downgraded to 2.6.38 |
| 12:39.57 | aussa | hahahaha |
| 12:40.16 | wols | aussa: you can try installing the debian way |
| 12:40.50 | aussa | the debian does not support my video card |
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| 12:41.12 | wols | aussa: we went over this already. the 280.x .debs you built do support it |
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| 12:43.09 | fishsponge | hey people... does anyone know why this "if" statement doesn't work... it used to on my openSUSE box, but not on my new debian box... http://pastebin.com/KYeDGZcU |
| 12:43.25 | aussa | wols: ok, so I'm going to reinstall debian, get X working, and the do it your way, which seems to be the best way... :D |
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| 12:43.33 | aussa | then* |
| 12:43.44 | fishsponge | i'm trying to detect if the filename ends in .MP3, .mp3, .Mp3 or .mP3... |
| 12:43.54 | wols | I don't know if it's the best way but it's the only way supported by #debian :) |
| 12:44.04 | angdraug | fishsponge: case sensitive env variable name? |
| 12:44.09 | aussa | ok |
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| 12:44.23 | fishsponge | angdraug, oh yeah, sorry... my stupid mistake... gimme a sec |
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| 12:45.19 | fishsponge | angdraug, not the issue... http://pastebin.com/T82Ftb8n |
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| 12:46.02 | aussa | how do I know the size of a folder from terminal?? |
| 12:46.10 | wols | fishsponge: do you use #!/bin/sh up top? and if so, what shell is used then under suse? |
| 12:46.17 | fishsponge | aussa, du -sh <dirname> |
| 12:46.20 | wols | maybe try /bin/bas |
| 12:46.24 | wols | maybe try /bin/bash instead |
| 12:46.39 | fishsponge | i have /bin/bash already |
| 12:46.44 | nsadmin | what does "=~" mean for your shell? |
| 12:46.50 | fishsponge | my #!/bin/bash script doesn't work and I'm pasting these commands into my bash terminal |
| 12:47.14 | fishsponge | nsadmin, no idea what =~ means... this is an old script that worked on my opensuse box... never seen or noticed =~ before! lol |
| 12:47.15 | babilen | fishsponge: What is the output you are expecting? "OK" or "Not OK" ? |
| 12:47.25 | fishsponge | i'm expecting "OK" because the file *is* an MP3 |
| 12:48.08 | nsadmin | so you're using =~ to match using regex, but what we don't know is whether your shell interprets =~ in that manner |
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| 12:48.27 | xingu | wonders why pastebin has turned =~ (raw paste) into something that looks like "=-" (upper panel) |
| 12:48.28 | fishsponge | ah, ok... how can I find out (or how can I do this in a more "correct" way? |
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| 12:48.56 | fishsponge | thinks it's xingu's browser and it looks fine in IE :-) |
| 12:49.18 | fishsponge | nsadmin, my shell is the default bash that comes with squeeze, if that helps... |
| 12:49.27 | aussa | and free space in a folder?? |
| 12:49.41 | roe | a bit off-topic, but is woo.com 'Forbidden' for anyone else? |
| 12:49.48 | roe | woot.com* |
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| 12:50.11 | fishsponge | aussa, there's no such thing as free space in a folder... the free space will be on your partition or hard drive... "du -sh" will tell you the free space on that partition or hard drive and unless you are using quotas, that free space can be used by any of the folders |
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| 12:50.42 | fishsponge | aussa, sorry, I meant to say "df -h" will tell you free space on a partition or hard drive! |
| 12:50.50 | aussa | ok ty |
| 12:51.11 | fishsponge | anyway... so does anyone know how I can either get =~ working or change the command to make it work in a more reliable way? |
| 12:51.12 | nsadmin | fishsponge, first off, I'm noticing something in the way you're speaking, which is that you seem to be looking at the language of bash as an outsider... there's nothing wrong with this, and this would likely require another person to evaluate the script... is this the way you want to do this? |
| 12:51.41 | fishsponge | i'm not much of an outsider at all... just not done that much bash scripting. i am a linux guy though :-) |
| 12:51.42 | nsadmin | s/outsider/person on the outside looking in/ |
| 12:52.06 | fishsponge | never used =~ before, but have written *lots* of *basic* bash scripts in my life |
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| 12:53.05 | fishsponge | so anyway... does anyone know how I can substitute =~ with something else or re-write that line to make it work? |
| 12:53.26 | fishsponge | i didn't write that line in the first place, so not entirely sure how to find out what =~ means in this instance |
| 12:53.28 | Bushmills | =~ is new with bash version 3 and compares a string against a regular expression pattern. that's explained in the man page, though |
| 12:54.02 | fishsponge | according to dpkg, i'm on bash 4.1-3, so it should be working for me, right? |
| 12:54.03 | nsadmin | what I'm still not getting yet is whether you want the info to do this yourself and have the help be around looking at language constructs, or get overall help which would have that help be around evaluating your script and suggesting changes? |
| 12:54.50 | fishsponge | nsadmin, i'm not after a general bash tutorial (unless someone is happy to do that!)... just a way to get this particular if statement working, really... the rest of the script works fine |
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| 12:55.43 | fishsponge | i'm happy to pastebin the entire script (it's not that long), but i don't want to ask you guys to give me loads of help and suggestions on ways to improve a script that does work perfectly apart from one line, if you know what i mean :-) |
| 12:56.01 | nsadmin | Bushmills has confirmed that =~ does exist in bash 3... can you confirm that's the bash you're using? |
| 12:56.20 | fishsponge | nsadmin, according to dpkg -l | grep bash, I am using bash 4.1-3 |
| 12:56.31 | fishsponge | default with squeeze |
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| 12:56.41 | Bushmills | use it like [[ foobar == *ob* ]] && echo yes |
| 12:56.46 | roe | I am far from a scripting expert, but don't you need a .* at the beginning of your regexp? |
| 12:57.20 | Bushmills | no, don't - that wasn't =~ at all :) |
| 12:57.22 | nsadmin | roe, if you have ^ at the beginning, yes |
| 12:57.27 | fishsponge | Bushmills, I would love to, but that simply echo's a "yes" (of course)... if the result is positive (yes), I need to run lots of other commands |
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| 12:57.59 | nsadmin | what's [[ ... ]]? |
| 12:58.05 | Bushmills | how is =~ related to "run a lot of other commands"? |
| 12:58.21 | fishsponge | i assume the [[ ... ]] is what comes after the "if" and before the "; then" |
| 12:58.32 | fishsponge | right... i'll paste my entire script... gimme a sec... lol |
| 12:58.43 | Bushmills | your question regarding [[ ]] suggests that you haven't had a look at the bash man page |
| 12:58.56 | nsadmin | I've seen if [ ... ] ; then ... else ... fi |
| 12:58.56 | Bushmills | you know, man pages are for describing such things |
| 12:59.14 | fishsponge | entire script... http://pastebin.com/iejixcV5 |
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| 12:59.48 | Bushmills | look at line 23 |
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| 12:59.56 | nsadmin | in the case of bash I would assume the info page is more useful |
| 13:00.45 | Bushmills | there's [[ ]]. seems like you've seen them before |
| 13:00.51 | angdraug | fishsponge: looks like bash doesn't like that $ at the end of regexp |
| 13:01.02 | angdraug | works for me without it |
| 13:01.04 | xingu | fishsponge: shopt -s compat31 |
| 13:01.17 | fishsponge | angdraug, possibly, but the $ signals the end of line... kinda needed in case there's a ".mp3" inside the filename somewhere |
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| 13:01.54 | fishsponge | xingu, thanks... what is that though? |
| 13:02.03 | xingu | fishsponge: see bash(1) |
| 13:02.10 | Bushmills | like in [[ name.mp3 =~ .*mp3$ ]] && echo yes ? |
| 13:02.33 | zophy | whats the best/easiest program to use for burning mp3's to a cd ? |
| 13:03.05 | fishsponge | Bushmills, who you talkin' to? |
| 13:03.17 | zophy | i use wodim for data but i want a really neato wiz bang thang for musics |
| 13:03.41 | Bushmills | fishsponge, to anybody who's interested in a use of =~ |
| 13:03.48 | zophy | got to get muh mojo goin' |
| 13:03.57 | angdraug | fishsponge: Bushmills example made it obvious to me: all you gotta do with your line is lose the quotes around the regexp :) |
| 13:03.59 | fishsponge | Bushmills, ah, ok :-) |
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| 13:04.28 | fishsponge | angdraug, oh yeah... if I lose the quotes it works... but why?!? that seems a bit odd# |
| 13:04.31 | angdraug | to be fair, the bash manpage doesn't make this obvious |
| 13:04.49 | nsadmin | zophy, you can have a data cd with mp3s in it |
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| 13:04.52 | angdraug | it is odd, that's why I think there's a bug in that section of the manpage. could use an example at least |
| 13:04.54 | Bushmills | the wonders of [[ ]], maybe |
| 13:05.04 | fishsponge | it worked fine with quotes on opensuse... and i'm not hoping to compare the two, but do you think opensuse was being less strict that debian? |
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| 13:05.48 | nsadmin | fishsponge, what shell does it use? |
| 13:05.59 | nsadmin | or, what shell were you using on opensuse? |
| 13:06.36 | Bushmills | [[ name.mp3 == *mp3 ]] && echo yes # would probably do the same, without use of =~ |
| 13:06.38 | fishsponge | nsadmin, I was using #!/bin/bash on both |
| 13:06.44 | fishsponge | not sure which version of bash opensuse had though |
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| 13:07.48 | nsadmin | that's probably a critical point inasmuch as the semantics of the things you're using could change in different versions |
| 13:08.04 | fishsponge | true |
| 13:08.36 | fishsponge | ok... last question (hopefully), where can I get the "lame" command from? "apt-cache search lame" returns several packages, but anyone know which one has the "lame" command in it? |
| 13:08.48 | nsadmin | probably dmm |
| 13:09.11 | fishsponge | searching for "lame" doesn't return the "dmm" package at all though, which is strange |
| 13:09.40 | nsadmin | perhaps you don't have dmm sources? |
| 13:09.57 | fishsponge | correct... never heard of them. is the "lame" command not in any default repos? |
| 13:10.11 | fishsponge | when i say "default", i mean the standard main, contrib, non-free |
| 13:10.31 | nsadmin | !dmm |
| 13:10.31 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 13:11.06 | fishsponge | should I follow these instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs |
| 13:11.08 | Bushmills | fishsponge, btw, no need to compare against ranges or lists for case insensitive comparison. just lowercast or captitalise the whole string you're comparing against, as in var=FooBaR; echo ${var,,} |
| 13:11.27 | fishsponge | !dmm squeeze |
| 13:11.28 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 13:11.34 | fishsponge | that looks better |
| 13:11.40 | xingu | Bushmills: or shopt -s nocasematch |
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| 13:12.13 | Bushmills | either would remove the need to do regular expression comparison |
| 13:12.48 | Supernova | How do I set something to manually uninstalled? |
| 13:12.53 | last1 | does anyone know if there is an asterisk 1.4X package for debian 6 ( squeeze) ? |
| 13:13.33 | Bushmills | ,versions asterisk |
| 13:13.33 | judd | Package asterisk on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-proposed-updates: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny5; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny5; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.2.9-1~bpo50+3; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze3; sid: 1:1.8.4.4~dfsg-2; wheezy: 1:1.8.4.4~dfsg-2 |
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| 13:14.12 | last1 | yes, they have 1.4 for lenny and 1.6 for squeeze |
| 13:14.23 | last1 | but I wanted to know if I could 1.4 for squeeze somewhere |
| 13:14.26 | last1 | could find |
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| 13:14.51 | fishsponge | right... found lame! thanks, guys! |
| 13:14.54 | fishsponge | off to have lunch... |
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| 13:24.52 | Supernova | How do I set a package to be manually uninstalled |
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| 13:26.05 | aussa | do you know of a ppt viewer for amd64?? |
| 13:26.30 | ompaul | aussa: libreoffice is one |
| 13:27.02 | aussa | libreoffice messes up some slides and images... |
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| 13:27.21 | aussa | I found pptview but is i386 only |
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| 13:28.52 | ompaul | ppthtml - A program for converting Microsoft Power Point Files .ppt |
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| 13:30.48 | Stoopit | i'm installing debian stabe on an acer aspire one (netbook), on a kingston 8GB class4 SD card |
| 13:31.05 | Stoopit | could it be the installation only has usb1.1 functionality on this laptop or something like that? |
| 13:31.28 | Stoopit | its running about 12 hours now lol.. |
| 13:31.47 | Stoopit | longest debian installation ever |
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| 13:32.02 | thogar | net install? |
| 13:32.06 | Stoopit | yeah |
| 13:32.14 | thogar | ah, im about to do that lul |
| 13:32.25 | Stoopit | it doesnt take thatl ong on a normal computer / laptop |
| 13:32.32 | Stoopit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.37 | anadon | where do I find the dependencies in the source code file for dpkg? |
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| 13:33.10 | ompaul | Stoopit: are you trying to do it wirelessly? |
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| 13:33.21 | Stoopit | thogar, i already tried this on a class4 sandisk, and it also took hours, a littel less then this time though |
| 13:33.21 | nsadmin | why would x client activity cause mouse movement to occasionally freeze"? |
| 13:33.26 | Stoopit | but once installeed the speed was fine |
| 13:33.36 | thogar | heheh |
| 13:33.46 | Stoopit | ompaul, no wired network, and downloading wasnt the prob |
| 13:33.59 | Stoopit | its definitely either the USB stick thats slow, or the SD cardreader, or both |
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| 13:34.00 | ompaul | Stoopit: I've done acers before and they are slow, but not that slow. |
| 13:34.12 | ompaul | sd card writer is a lot slower |
| 13:34.14 | nsadmin | somewhere there's wires |
| 13:34.15 | anadon | where do I find the dependencies in the source code file for dpkg? I'm on a timer before my power goes out again--thunder storm |
| 13:34.25 | Stoopit | ompaul, aha, well im installign on an sd card from an usb stick |
| 13:34.41 | ompaul | Stoopit: there is no other way with the aspire |
| 13:35.01 | Stoopit | ompaul, from usb stick to the harddrive is the most obvious way |
| 13:35.01 | ompaul | Stoopit: I did my install with a full CD because it did what I wanted. |
| 13:35.16 | ompaul | Stoopit: i.e. a full debian stick |
| 13:35.23 | ompaul | Stoopit: how did you create the stick? |
| 13:35.34 | Stoopit | ompaul, unetbootin |
| 13:35.50 | thogar | is that how you do it? |
| 13:36.01 | Supernova | Does anybody know how to uninstall xemacs21-mule ? |
| 13:36.03 | ompaul | I wouldn't |
| 13:36.04 | thogar | i want to install squeeze via usb but i found a few different images and what not |
| 13:36.15 | thogar | net install, i mean |
| 13:36.16 | Stoopit | thogar, if by it you mean make a bootable usb stick to install debian, then yes |
| 13:36.41 | ompaul | Stoopit: try this, either get a full distro onto the stick, or cat debian*.iso > /dev/sdwhatever on the source machine and then go again |
| 13:36.46 | Stoopit | thogar, download the cd / dvd of your choice, and use unetbootin |
| 13:36.54 | ompaul | unetbootin ain't on my xmas card list |
| 13:37.00 | Stoopit | thogar, in case you dont have any linux PC around, it also runs on windows and osx |
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| 13:37.15 | Stoopit | ompaul, is it too conveniant for you? |
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| 13:37.27 | Stoopit | ompaul, no i will jsut wait for it to finish |
| 13:37.32 | ompaul | Stoopit: no it leaves me with problems more times than not |
| 13:37.49 | Stoopit | ompaul, i've used it with at least 5 diffrent CD's probably more |
| 13:37.55 | Stoopit | never ever had any problems |
| 13:38.02 | ompaul | Stoopit: that is your experience, it is not mine. |
| 13:38.25 | Stoopit | ompaul, well its not unetbootin's fault that's for sure |
| 13:38.29 | Stoopit | dunno how you did it... |
| 13:39.34 | ompaul | Stoopit: let me see, I have in my time installed debian and various flavours thereof thousands of times, I don't like unetbootin unless you are specifically doing ubuntu. Go figure. |
| 13:40.03 | Stoopit | ompaul, that's your right, but it still dosn't make any sense |
| 13:40.44 | ompaul | it makes lots of sense it broke your install or so you told us, then when we tell you there are other ways to make your stick you say no I'll stick with the way that didn't work for me this time. ;-) |
| 13:41.17 | Stoopit | broke my install? |
| 13:41.20 | ompaul | Stoopit: want me to do an acer aspire 1 with a net install that I haven't downloaded yet? |
| 13:41.25 | Stoopit | can you quote where i said that it broke my install? |
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| 13:41.31 | ompaul | it ain't installed in 12 hours = broken |
| 13:41.45 | Stoopit | bullshit :-p |
| 13:41.50 | Stoopit | oops sorry for language... |
| 13:42.26 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.52 | Stoopit | ompaul, yeah but there's a language policy here iirc that's why i said sorry |
| 13:43.09 | Stoopit | i agree 12 hours is insane, but its not unetbootin's fault |
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| 13:44.05 | Stoopit | ompaul, btw i always used an ido though |
| 13:44.12 | Stoopit | i never let unetbootin download it |
| 13:44.20 | Stoopit | dunno how well that works |
| 13:44.56 | ompaul | worse |
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| 13:46.16 | judgen | Is there a fast and easy way to convert your apps from lets say GTK to QT or vice versa? |
| 13:46.40 | judgen | or would a completley new gui have to be written |
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| 13:49.20 | valdyn | judgen: its not that simple, neither gtk nor qt are just the gui |
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| 13:50.05 | valdyn | judgen: so its possible that you would have to rewrite the whole program, not just the gui |
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| 13:52.31 | marky611 | hello i am using seamonkey 2.3.1 on debian squeeze and the buttons don't seem to look good in gnome 2 is there any way to fix this? |
| 13:53.06 | nsadmin | gtk and qt represent two very different APIs which are each mechanisms out of which you can build GUIs |
| 13:53.55 | nsadmin | IF the program which uses one is factored appropriately, it could be easier to port from one to another |
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| 13:56.34 | nsadmin | if not, either you would refactor or perhaps suffer as a result of massive disorganization that you would have to unravel |
| 13:56.53 | Supernova | Does anybody know how to uninstall xemacs21? |
| 13:57.12 | Supernova | I simply cannot uninstall it |
| 13:57.34 | valdyn | Supernova: why cant you? keyboard broken? |
| 13:57.50 | Supernova | No, because I can't configure it |
| 13:57.59 | Stoopit | any errors when you try to remove it? |
| 13:58.01 | Supernova | dpkg: error processing xemacs21 (--configure): |
| 13:58.01 | dpkg | supernova: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 13:58.07 | nsadmin | why? how did you install it? exactly (yea that's -exactly-) how are you trying to remove it |
| 13:58.15 | Stoopit | i assume you just got it from repository? |
| 13:58.19 | Supernova | yes |
| 13:58.29 | Supernova | sudo apt-get purge xemacs21 |
| 13:58.35 | valdyn | Supernova: that means primarily that you cant install it |
| 13:58.38 | Supernova | I'll give you the whole output |
| 13:58.45 | valdyn | Supernova: improperly installed programs cant be remove at times |
| 13:58.50 | Stoopit | pastebin if its long output |
| 13:59.03 | Supernova | I can't install it either |
| 13:59.03 | nsadmin | like more than two lines |
| 13:59.14 | Supernova | it is |
| 13:59.22 | Stoopit | so pastebin it |
| 13:59.33 | Supernova | I will |
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| 13:59.51 | last1 | anyone running DAHDI on squeeze ? |
| 13:59.59 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 13:59.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:00.16 | thogar | during the graphical installation, i try to resize the partition but it says that previous changes must be written.. but there isnt any? |
| 14:00.17 | Supernova | It's the xemacs-mule things that refuse to uninstall |
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| 14:00.24 | nsadmin | last1, you? |
| 14:00.40 | last1 | not yet... I am trying to confirm whether there is something wrong with the package |
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| 14:01.02 | Stoopit | thogar, is there data on the partinio? if yes back it up first |
| 14:01.16 | Stoopit | resizing a partition with data on it can go wrong |
| 14:01.24 | last1 | basically I install dahdi, dahdi-linux and dahdi-source but my /etc/dahdi directory does not contain any modules |
| 14:01.27 | last1 | or the system.conf file |
| 14:01.45 | last1 | so it looks like some files are missing |
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| 14:02.24 | valdyn | last1: have you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/dahdi ? |
| 14:02.24 | thogar | i know it can, theres nothing on it really, but i just dont understand what changes there is to write if i havent even changed it yet lol |
| 14:02.35 | last1 | I think I just did.. and I ran m-a a-i dahdi :) |
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| 14:02.57 | Supernova | http://pastebin.com/ZkQE91BE |
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| 14:04.38 | valdyn | judd: versions xemacs21-nomule |
| 14:04.38 | judd | Package xemacs21-nomule on i386 -- lenny: 21.4.21-4; squeeze: 21.4.22-3.1; sid: 21.4.22-3.1+b1; wheezy: 21.4.22-3.1+b1 |
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| 14:04.59 | nsadmin | I'm guessing /usr/share/xemacs did not exist when you ran the command |
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| 14:05.51 | valdyn | Supernova: you can remove the .postinst scripts for the broken packages in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and purge those packages after that |
| 14:06.06 | Supernova | Ah, thank you |
| 14:06.13 | valdyn | Supernova: err |
| 14:06.26 | valdyn | Supernova: probably apt-get -f install before the purge |
| 14:06.34 | nsadmin | be careful of what you remove |
| 14:06.58 | Supernova | valdyn, tats what I did anyway |
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| 14:07.20 | Supernova | thats* |
| 14:07.31 | nsadmin | did you ever use the command "rm" in the process of trying to uninstall anything? |
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| 14:10.46 | nsadmin | nonresponsive. |
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| 14:15.40 | Supernova | No, I didn;t |
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| 14:19.04 | thogar | if i have a primary partition already on a hard drive(an OS), do i create another primary partition for debian or logical? |
| 14:19.27 | Supernova | Errors again. |
| 14:19.49 | sneex | thogar: only 4 primary partitions can normally exist on any normal hard drive |
| 14:20.05 | thogar | sssso a primary partition it is then? lol |
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| 14:21.01 | Supernova | eh, fixed now |
| 14:21.11 | sneex | thogar: gparted is your friend |
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| 14:21.42 | nsadmin | it wouldn't be just one partition, you'll need at least a partition for all your data and a partition for swap |
| 14:22.01 | nsadmin | the data partition could also be an lvm physical volume |
| 14:23.03 | nsadmin | then you can define as many lvm lvs as you want |
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| 14:24.23 | thogar | so, total there would be my first OS, debian, and swap? |
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| 14:24.48 | nsadmin | sure, that's one possibility |
| 14:24.57 | nsadmin | don't use that as a server tho |
| 14:25.04 | thogar | lol |
| 14:25.25 | sneex | is this first OS Win7? |
| 14:25.51 | nsadmin | by server here, I mean a box that gets rebooted every 5 years whether it needs to be or not |
| 14:27.00 | thogar | yeah |
| 14:27.10 | Xecuter | kinda debian-noob here fucked up trying to install nvidia-drivers. now when i reboot i only get a black screen with a flickering cursor. can anyone help? ive tried booting into recovery and changing the xorg.conf, but no change |
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| 14:27.25 | thogar | it is sneex lol |
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| 14:27.50 | nsadmin | and just one data partition would have to be dealt with much more often (not necessarily rebooted) |
| 14:28.34 | wols | !tell Xecuter about nodm |
| 14:28.54 | wols | Xecuter: when you boot to textmode (or can use ctrl+alt+f1 when you get that cursor) then you can start fixing |
| 14:30.26 | Xecuter | wols: no thats where the problem is, ive now booted into recovery and trying to fix. If i run startx i get fatal error, no screens found |
| 14:30.58 | wols | Xecuter: dpkg -l |grep nvidia and the content of your xorg.conf file(s) please |
| 14:30.59 | sneex | thogar: Have you ever used Gnu Parted ont his Win7 box before you slice and dice that HD ??? oO? |
| 14:31.06 | nsadmin | Xecuter, so booting into recovery mode does work, and you can see the screen and type with no problem? |
| 14:31.25 | thogar | all i did was resize the 7 partition lol |
| 14:31.30 | Xecuter | nsadmin: yes, but normal boot does not |
| 14:32.02 | nsadmin | well it acually does except for bringing up x and the gui |
| 14:32.04 | thogar | and the unallocated space is gonna be the new partition for debian, so i also need some space for a swap partition? |
| 14:32.17 | somiaj | Xecuter: which debian version are you on? |
| 14:32.42 | Xecuter | somiaj: wheezy |
| 14:32.54 | sneex | thogar: so you know for a fact that there *is* only 1 partition on the Win7 HD -- the normal Debian 6 installer shuold be great and walk you thru it no problem |
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| 14:33.27 | somiaj | Xecuter: what is the version of xserver-xorg-core? There is a bug that broke nvidia and fglxr drivers in sid -- but I dont think its in wheezy. |
| 14:33.35 | thogar | i just dont understand what needs to be primary and logical, im guessing the data partition will be primary, but what about swap? |
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| 14:33.46 | Xecuter | somiaj: how do i check that? |
| 14:33.56 | somiaj | Xecuter: dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-core |
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| 14:34.05 | somiaj | Xecuter: just make sure its not version 1.11 |
| 14:34.28 | sneex | thogar: The Debian installer GUI will do all the hard work you should not have to manually slice the HD up beyond cutting a piece off from Windows control -- then it is square |
| 14:34.31 | Xecuter | somiaj: 2:1.10.4-1 |
| 14:34.45 | thogar | im too late for that lol, i did manual hah |
| 14:34.50 | sneex | kk |
| 14:35.20 | somiaj | Xecuter: alrighty just double checking you wern't running into the recent nvidia bug. Though you know #debian-next on irc.debian.org is the prfered place to ask testing/unstable questions. |
| 14:35.31 | wols | thogar: with linux, everything can be logical. only windows is so ancient to need primary partitions |
| 14:35.48 | somiaj | Xecuter: next, prase though your xorg log file |
| 14:35.50 | Xecuter | wols: xorg.conf is empty, dpkg -l grep nvidia is to long to type ^^ |
| 14:35.56 | thogar | hehe ok |
| 14:36.04 | wols | !paste |
| 14:36.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:36.08 | wols | !pastebinit |
| 14:36.09 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 14:36.45 | wols | Xecuter: if if all xorg.conf files (note plural!) are empty, this is why it fails. at least it's one reason why |
| 14:36.46 | jetscreamer | neat |
| 14:37.22 | jetscreamer | xorg can run on an empty conf file |
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| 14:37.51 | wols | jetscreamer: but the nvidia drivers cannot |
| 14:37.57 | jetscreamer | true |
| 14:38.02 | jetscreamer | run nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:38.06 | Xecuter | thats probably it then |
| 14:38.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get install |
| 14:38.09 | wols | and since nvidia drivers also replace xorg files with incompatible versions... |
| 14:38.19 | wols | !nvidia dkms |
| 14:38.20 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 14:38.20 | jetscreamer | nvidia binary, or the debian stuff |
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| 14:38.52 | jetscreamer | i did the debian ones recently for stable, easy no problem |
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| 14:39.03 | Xecuter | damn how do i get network in recovery? |
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| 14:39.16 | wols | ifup -a if you chrooted in |
| 14:39.19 | jetscreamer | ifup eth0? |
| 14:39.22 | jetscreamer | o |
| 14:40.07 | Xecuter | unknown interface eth0 |
| 14:40.11 | Xecuter | wtf |
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| 14:40.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.33 | wols | /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 14:42.57 | somiaj | Xecuter: if you were using a network manger you won't have your interfaces mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces so ifup won't work, you'll have to manually config it with ifconfig (or put the entry in your interfaces file) |
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| 14:45.57 | Xecuter | somiaj: sorry im quite noob at this, youll have to explain deeper |
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| 14:46.58 | somiaj | Xecuter: are you wired or wireless network? |
| 14:47.08 | Xecuter | somiaj: wired |
| 14:47.31 | somiaj | Xecuter: most likely just add the line 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' to /etc/network/interfaces then type 'ifup eth0' |
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| 14:47.58 | somiaj | or check that file to see if it defined another interface |
| 14:48.17 | Xecuter | somiaj: says allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 14:48.42 | wols | Xecuter: what does ifconfig -a say? |
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| 14:49.13 | nsadmin | that might require a pastebin |
| 14:49.36 | Xecuter | wols: now it lists eth0, net is up, installing nvidia-xconfig |
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| 14:53.22 | Xecuter | WORKING! :D thanks somiaj wols |
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| 14:56.25 | nsadmin | Xecuter, with -a ifconfig will list all interfaces known, whether up or down |
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| 15:00.04 | cruter | кÑо как ÑеÑал пÑÐ¾Ð±Ð»ÐµÐ¼Ñ Ñ ÑÑÑановкой дÑов на lenovo s10-3 на wifi ar9285?ÑдÑо 2.6.37 |
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| 15:00.23 | dvs | !ru |
| 15:00.25 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 15:00.44 | sam12345 | Hello. Anybody with a similar problem? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640161 |
| 15:01.14 | cruter | ок |
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| 15:02.06 | somiaj | sam12345: you mean besides the people who reported the bug? |
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| 15:02.34 | nsadmin | sam12345, evidently as you have a bug report listing whatever was being complained about |
| 15:03.01 | somiaj | sam12345: the more relaible way to install testing is to install a stable base system with a good isntaller than upgrade. debootstrap is nice to. |
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| 15:03.43 | sam12345 | somiaj: ill do in this way, then. Thanks |
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| 15:04.05 | nsadmin | you might want to take a more direct approach: rather than ask for people who have the problem, maybe you do and if so you can describe your own situation |
| 15:04.19 | somiaj | sam12345: again after youg et things setup and encrypted you may want to upgrade -- looking at the bug a bit more closes it may not be just the installer. |
| 15:04.32 | somiaj | sam12345: you may want to backup up before upgrading. |
| 15:05.44 | nsadmin | or backup all (also make sure you can restore) |
| 15:05.46 | sam12345 | somiaj: you say that's not just the installer? Maybe even cryptosetup? |
| 15:06.31 | sam12345 | anyway i do backup, always. Every 2 days (i have a home-made NAS) :) |
| 15:06.37 | OldParr | how do i install adobe flash player? |
| 15:06.52 | wols | !tell OldParr about adobe flash |
| 15:07.33 | sneex | sam12345: I have had that issue many times -- did youmanually partition the hard drive or allow the installer do it? |
| 15:08.13 | sam12345 | sneex: usually manually and I encoutered the error. Then i tried with the guided procedure and same problem |
| 15:08.55 | sneex | sam12345: can you start over with a wiped hd? or is there another OS involved? |
| 15:09.09 | somiaj | sam12345: yes there could be bugs with the encrypted lvm software in testing as well (i.e. its not just the installer). |
| 15:09.09 | sam12345 | sneex: both cases. |
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| 15:09.53 | sam12345 | somiaj: so I can try with stable and then upgrade with deboostrap into sid? |
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| 15:09.57 | sneex | sam12345: backup the other OS as best you can, you are entering dangerous waters |
| 15:10.06 | somiaj | sam12345: you don't upgrade with debootstrap |
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| 15:10.34 | somiaj | sam12345: debootstrap is just a way you can copy the base system onto a directory (or partition/harddisk) and install as opposed to using an installer |
| 15:10.44 | somiaj | sam12345: you just change your sources.list and 'dist-upgrade' |
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| 15:11.10 | sam12345 | ok. understood. |
| 15:11.11 | dvs | somiaj: to wheezy? no way! |
| 15:11.56 | sam12345 | dvs: you say dist-upgrade to sid (or wheezy) is it too dangerous? |
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| 15:12.26 | dvs | sam12345: Sorry. I got my version mixed up. lenny->squeeze is dangerous. |
| 15:12.50 | somiaj | sam12345: testing/unstable does have many bugs from time to time (sid just took out xorg for me and I had to manually fix lots of issues with my last upgrade) -- so be willing to fix things |
| 15:13.09 | somiaj | sam12345: but the upgrade process works in many cases and in some it doesn't, its still undergoing testing. |
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| 15:23.16 | judgen | any good CLI app to convert a jpg to gif? |
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| 15:24.08 | judgen | alternative a way to us xloadimage to show jpg files. |
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| 15:25.20 | judgen | no matter, i figured it out. |
| 15:25.23 | rozie | judgen: imagemagick should be able to convert |
| 15:25.34 | rozie | ;-) |
| 15:25.39 | judgen | rozie: that is what i did =D |
| 15:25.51 | somiaj | yea imagemagick is very standard though there are others. |
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| 15:26.06 | sneex | Is this safe ? Or shuold I not use all this at once? apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade ; apt-get clean all ; apt-get autoclean ; apt-get autoremove |
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| 15:26.34 | wald0 | any idea why the package make-doc says that this documentation is not free ? |
| 15:26.49 | somiaj | sneex: don't need to autoclean after you clean -- just use one or the other |
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| 15:27.04 | sneex | :-D |
| 15:27.09 | somiaj | sneex: && is better than ;, also are you just doing a security upgrade from squeeze or upgrading testing/usntable? |
| 15:27.30 | sneex | wheezy stuff -- hacking on bind issues :P |
| 15:27.51 | somiaj | sneex: also dont need to have both upgrade and dist-upgrade just do dist-upgrade if you dont' want a middle step |
| 15:28.30 | somiaj | sneex: I'd not do it all at once for testing/unstable -- also isntall apt-listbugs and I would do the upgrade and dist-upgrade step sepertally and check for any bugs -- yes you can do it at once, but more likely to mess things up worse than they need to be. |
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| 15:29.06 | sneex | somiaj: Ive found in all the debian setups I have ever used that this formula breaks less stuff less often than skipping steps -- but that's just me |
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| 15:29.44 | sneex | doing it one at a time seems to break it faster |
| 15:30.01 | somiaj | sneex: yea I like upgrade and dist-upgrade sepertally -- but why not just do a dist-upgrade and skip the upgrade, it shoudln't cause any more issues to do it twice |
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| 15:30.31 | somiaj | sneex: reason to split it up is if you wanted to keep an eye on the stuff to konw what needs to be fixed int he case things break |
| 15:31.13 | sneex | I hear ya -- I do make it stop and ask Y/N each time so it's kindof a mute point |
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| 15:31.56 | sneex | and overall Im lazy |
| 15:32.15 | somiaj | then run stable -- running testing/unstable is a way to make you have to be unlazy when you upgrade |
| 15:32.31 | somiaj | as I mentioned sid just took out xorg for me my last upgrade and had to be very unlazy to fix it |
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| 15:33.18 | sneex | I understand but I like holding the knife |
| 15:33.30 | sneex | i am my own enemy |
| 15:33.38 | OldParr | how do i add the repo that contains adobe flash player |
| 15:33.55 | somiaj | sneex: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -- that would be my suggestion then |
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| 15:34.11 | sneex | rgr |
| 15:34.13 | somiaj | OldParr: add non-free and contrib to your line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:34.34 | Supernova | Wow |
| 15:34.39 | somiaj | sneex: I would strongly suggest you do not add an 'autoclean' or a 'clean' to that -- having those debs in /var/cache/apt/archive are invaluable in fixing bugs |
| 15:35.11 | OldParr | somiaj: there are two lines on each one i add non-free contrib ? |
| 15:35.12 | sneex | kk, that I didn't know mainly becasue I reinstall a lot |
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| 15:35.31 | dvs | OldParr: same line, after main |
| 15:35.38 | somiaj | sneex: save the 'autoclean' for after you upgrade and things are working as expected (don't do clean, again having old versions to manually downgrade are very useful -- and space is rarely an issue, autoclean keeps multiple debs of the same package from building up) |
| 15:35.39 | zophy | is autogender an debian apt-get option ? |
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| 15:36.00 | zophy | i have issues and am seeking resolutions |
| 15:36.21 | zophy | thank you |
| 15:37.22 | somiaj | zophy: I am not a mind reader and don't understand what your issues are and what we could help you with |
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| 15:37.28 | somiaj | zophy: man apt-get if you want to see all the options |
| 15:39.34 | zophy | somiaj, do you know if debian is compliant with USA required non sexual discriminant laws ? |
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| 15:40.38 | zophy | all personal pronouns require a particular compliance |
| 15:40.48 | ompaul | looks under the bridge and finds it empty |
| 15:41.26 | ompaul | Stoopit: now then, I just did a kde install using netinstall, 1 hour 25 minutes. |
| 15:41.47 | sneex | zophy: Try: ( test - /etc/gender && echo "You are a boy" or echo "You are a girl" ) 2>/dev/null || echo "No one knows" 1>&2 |
| 15:41.57 | somiaj | zophy: apt-get install woman |
| 15:41.58 | OldParr | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/128295/ |
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| 15:42.15 | somiaj | oh damn its not in the repo anymore...:/ |
| 15:42.39 | somiaj | zophy: depends do all the mentions of the word 'man' break the laws -- :D |
| 15:42.40 | zophy | sometimes i don't know if i am a boy or a girl |
| 15:42.51 | babilen | zophy: Do you have an actual Debian related question? |
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| 15:43.28 | zophy | babilen, which distro name is testing ? |
| 15:43.40 | dvs | OldParr: it's "non-free" not "nonfree" |
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| 15:43.51 | babilen | !tell zophy -about testing |
| 15:44.55 | OldParr | ok |
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| 15:45.34 | Supernova | !contrib |
| 15:45.34 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ [lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then aptitude update. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 15:45.38 | Supernova | Okay. |
| 15:46.28 | fbs | how do i change the login manager, i got slim gdm & xdm installed. I want to go from gdm to slim |
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| 15:46.45 | somiaj | fbs: look at update-alternatives |
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| 15:47.18 | zophy | heh where did buzzsaw disappear to ? |
| 15:47.27 | pradyumna | Dock packages? |
| 15:47.30 | zophy | or was is sawfish ? |
| 15:47.32 | zophy | eh |
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| 15:47.45 | fbs | somiaj: i did, but i cant find the right entry |
| 15:47.47 | somiaj | gnome got rid of sawfish when 2.0 came out |
| 15:47.56 | somiaj | fbs: yea just noticed |
| 15:48.13 | zophy | cool |
| 15:48.15 | somiaj | fbs: do ls /etc/rc2.d/ -- do you see a startup script for each of the dm's sitting there |
| 15:48.18 | Supernova | Is there a repository list for Debian |
| 15:48.26 | Supernova | Like where can I find extra repos |
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| 15:48.46 | babilen | !tell Supernova about overview |
| 15:49.12 | fbs | somiaj: ah, thanks |
| 15:49.25 | sneex | Supernova: you can try http://packages.kirya.net/ for a basic list |
| 15:49.29 | somiaj | fbs: so update-rc.d xdm disable && update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 15:49.30 | themill | Supernova: "extra repos" are rarely a good idea. They tend to bring trouble. |
| 15:49.59 | somiaj | fbs: hopefully that disables the other ones and just lets slim take over...(though I think there is a way to set this, you could check /etc/default/ as well |
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| 15:50.59 | somiaj | fbs: ahh here it is, /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 15:51.02 | somiaj | fbs: :/ |
| 15:51.26 | fbs | somiaj: yeah i just found that :P |
| 15:51.28 | fbs | thanks anyway |
| 15:52.16 | sneex | Supernova: if you are looking for "out there" software (just dont ask here about any of it) you can look at http://www.apt-get.org/main/ -- that is a heap of trouble |
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| 15:53.04 | sneex | OK, I think Ive caused enough pain; Im outta here until dec 22nd 2012 Peace |
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| 15:54.28 | babilen | Supernova: You should know that we can and will not support any other software than those from the official Debian mirrors. In particular the repositories mentioned by sneex are not supported and might/will cause pain and broken systems. |
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| 16:00.08 | Bartzy | How can I provide SCP with the password (not with ssh keys) ? |
| 16:01.35 | somiaj | Bartzy: as in you don't want it prompt you for the password, man scp (I think its -p or --password |
| 16:02.14 | Bartzy | somiaj: It's not... -p is to preserve time and permissions, -P is for port |
| 16:02.20 | somiaj | oh scp doesn't have a --password option (which is good) |
| 16:02.40 | somiaj | Bartzy: you really want to enter int he passwrod to the prompt, not on teh cli (then your password gets stored in plain text in .bash_history and other places |
| 16:02.44 | somiaj | people can see it with a ps |
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| 16:03.48 | somiaj | Bartzy: use a key if you don't want it asking for passwords |
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| 16:05.36 | Bartzy | 60-70 rules for iptables is considered a lot ? |
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| 16:05.52 | somiaj | depends on the network |
| 16:06.11 | somiaj | for a home network, might be...for a business network, probabaly not. |
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| 16:16.25 | computerx | Hello knowledgable people of Debian. I wish to tar all php, js and html files from a folder. This clearly means I need an exclude * except (exclude then include) or include read from stdin and pipe from find. I cannot find options to do either. Any suggestions? |
| 16:17.08 | nsadmin | you could simply list the files you want |
| 16:17.28 | computerx | Right, but how do I get tar to read that list? |
| 16:17.44 | nsadmin | just put the list on the command line |
| 16:18.08 | computerx | Example? |
| 16:18.26 | nsadmin | mkdir foo; cd foo |
| 16:18.33 | nsadmin | touch a b c d |
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| 16:18.53 | nsadmin | tar cf ../foo.tar a b c d |
| 16:19.18 | nsadmin | or |
| 16:19.26 | nsadmin | mkdir foo; cd foo |
| 16:19.32 | nsadmin | touch a b c d |
| 16:19.37 | nsadmin | cd .. |
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| 16:20.08 | computerx | This is to backup all my work, which is thousands of files in multiple sub-folders... |
| 16:20.15 | nsadmin | tar cf foo.tar foo/a foo/b foo/c foo/d |
| 16:20.49 | nsadmin | are these files considered source code? |
| 16:21.19 | computerx | Yes |
| 16:21.32 | nsadmin | why not use something like git? |
| 16:21.49 | computerx | I do that already via svn to my fileserver |
| 16:22.10 | nsadmin | so then your code is backed up, isn't it? |
| 16:22.10 | computerx | I also take an rsync copy nightly of my web server, this is for weekly off-site dvd backups |
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| 16:22.52 | nsadmin | is your rsync set up to only get the source files? |
| 16:23.11 | computerx | rsync gets everything except video files |
| 16:23.27 | maxd | how can I reconfigure default debian, so that when deleting files it prompts before moving them to recicle bin? |
| 16:23.58 | nsadmin | the files you want are in -one- folder as implied by your original post? |
| 16:24.27 | computerx | nsadmin: The server and workspace folder have many sub-folders and sub-folders of sub-folders, and so on |
| 16:24.54 | nsadmin | "all php, js and html files from a folder" |
| 16:25.09 | computerx | I just tried tar -c server/*.html etc but it just whined it couldn't stat |
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| 16:26.10 | nsadmin | are you in a dir where server/*.html matches at least one file? |
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| 16:26.11 | computerx | Well, since tar is recursive by default, I felt it was implied :p |
| 16:26.17 | computerx | nsadmin: Nope. |
| 16:26.35 | shadowman | while using evloution retrieve message This message is not currently available |
| 16:26.35 | nsadmin | so tar tells the truth |
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| 16:27.38 | computerx | nsadmin: Yes, yes it does. I want it to find all files matching a few wildcards recursively from 2 folders. As stated, I'm willing to pipe from find, which is probably the easiest option and with the most control, but I can't see how to make tar get it's file list from a file |
| 16:27.41 | nsadmin | wht's the fully qualified path that contains server? |
| 16:27.58 | computerx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.17 | nsadmin | can' |
| 16:28.20 | nsadmin | err |
| 16:28.20 | nsadmin | can |
| 16:28.34 | nsadmin | can't expect that to work from anywhere |
| 16:28.50 | computerx | Sure I can :) |
| 16:29.42 | nsadmin | but if you do that makes our conversation invalid |
| 16:29.52 | nsadmin | and a waste of time, etc |
| 16:30.31 | computerx | It's my experience, if it's not working in bash, I simply haven't tried hard enough |
| 16:30.51 | nsadmin | so, I may be back, and meanwhile you're reading the info page and/or the man page of tar |
| 16:31.01 | computerx | I've already read it, ofc |
| 16:31.39 | nsadmin | it will work if you use fully qualified paths everywhere |
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| 16:32.04 | computerx | I fail to see the relevance of qualified paths |
| 16:32.32 | nsadmin | but the thing is I'm not going to hang with this if it means we're both constantly banging our heads against the wall |
| 16:33.07 | computerx | No, I don't expect you to |
| 16:33.20 | computerx | I do think I'll go get my bash scripting book though |
| 16:33.33 | nsadmin | it appears you have a solution in mind you want to use, and I'm guessing you can make it work the way you want |
| 16:33.45 | computerx | There's always a way! |
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| 16:35.03 | nsadmin | part of this is I've noticed you really want to do this your way, and that's fine... and, there's an element of your not listening and trying certain things out that may be suggested to you, and that's just a waste for me |
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| 16:35.58 | computerx | Well, fine. I need all the html, php and js files in an archive. How would you do it? |
| 16:36.14 | computerx | ... or some format I can put on a dvd |
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| 16:39.04 | nsadmin | if you want a tarball, like I say, one way is to list the files and put them on the command line (using tar a to add each file will be very inefficient, but if you can get them with tar c <list> that could work -if- everything in <list> is either fully qualified or is relative to . |
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| 16:39.44 | themill | tar has very sophisticated exclude and include options for this reason |
| 16:39.59 | computerx | Sure, but the problem is, I don't have an exact list of files, and I'm scripting it |
| 16:40.02 | nsadmin | I'm not sure exclude would be the greatest approach for you... I'd rather use include |
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| 16:40.28 | nsadmin | because you have three specific file extensions that you want |
| 16:40.29 | computerx | Right, but tar doesn't appear to have include, and just specifying folder/wildcard causes a stat error |
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| 16:41.00 | nsadmin | you have to be cd-ed to the dir containing folder |
| 16:41.10 | themill | computerx: if you're using svn for this, why not svn export and tar that? |
| 16:41.16 | nsadmin | in order for that to work |
| 16:41.30 | computerx | themill: Because it also includes a server backup not under svn control |
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| 16:42.07 | nsadmin | so not all the html, js, php files are in svn? |
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| 16:44.04 | computerx | No, but nevermind. I've been continuously researching while talking and I've solved it |
| 16:44.14 | nsadmin | oh good :) |
| 16:44.27 | nsadmin | congratulations, glad it worked outg |
| 16:44.58 | computerx | find server -name '*.html' -or -name '*.php' -or -name '*.js' | tar -cT - |
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| 16:46.30 | nsadmin | just a side note, if not all the source code is in svn, that could be considered missing commits and therefore lack of protection over those files... I'd perceive that as messy and I'd want to solve that so the whole situation is more maintainable and manageable |
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| 16:47.18 | computerx | My working code is all from svn, but I take server backups, which I also want to preserve the important stuff from |
| 16:48.55 | nsadmin | reasonable. and, I'm just saying you might want to handle the part that is so far unhandled; you're doing that at least partially by simply backing up. I would encourage you to look at it zoomed out, at the design of it |
| 16:50.01 | nsadmin | anyway, good luck with all that, and glad it worked out the way you wanted it |
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| 17:10.48 | kuznetzvo | how are you ladies and gentlemen |
| 17:10.53 | peterrooney | had no idea tar could be so involved |
| 17:11.39 | kuznetzvo | well what did you expect? it has to be heated to use it, and it's more sticky than peanut butter. |
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| 17:12.51 | frold | howto let a debian 5 server respect file permission when unzipping or untar i file. At the moment the permissions from the file is restored to default.... |
| 17:12.52 | kuznetzvo | anyone recommend a decent open source application for acting as proxy server? Basically all i need is to relay web traffic and filter connections based on a list of allowed IP ranges only |
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| 17:14.51 | kuznetzvo | frold, this looks very relevant to what you ask: http://www.aota.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21329 |
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| 17:17.42 | rozie | kuznetzvo: would not use proxy for this filtering - iptables should be much faster |
| 17:18.04 | iderik_ | Is there anyway to turn off or decrease the "keydelay"? Like when you're holding down "a", it will first print one character before it starts to spam. |
| 17:18.31 | kuznetzvo | ah, good. i need to learn iptables anyway. so anything i should stay away from in open source proxy offerings? |
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| 17:24.47 | somiaj | iderik_: man xset |
| 17:25.05 | jmarsden | iderik_: xset r rate 1000 # or whatever number you want |
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| 17:30.53 | frold | kuznetzvo: it changes nothing |
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| 17:31.10 | frold | thougt it was a server setting or something |
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| 17:33.22 | jmarsden | frold: unzip -XK somefile.zip # will retain UID/GID and setuid/setgid stuff, is that what you need? |
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| 17:34.19 | jmarsden | frold: tar uses the -p option to mean "same permissions". |
| 17:34.27 | frold | jmarsden: its more the chmod-permissions that is reset to default |
| 17:34.45 | jmarsden | tar -p will fix that for tar. |
| 17:34.46 | frold | instead of folder permission 777 it is 644 |
| 17:34.57 | jmarsden | frold: check your umask ? |
| 17:34.58 | frold | nope... I just did a test jmarsden |
| 17:35.48 | frold | Well I when I unzip or untar the file here on my ubuntu setup it respect the chmod's but when I do the same on my debian server it doesnt |
| 17:36.02 | jmarsden | frold: Check the umask :) |
| 17:36.07 | frold | umask? |
| 17:36.13 | jmarsden | Yes. |
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| 17:36.44 | jmarsden | frold: type help umask in a bash shell for more info |
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| 17:37.49 | frold | hmm that help description is like russian to me :) |
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| 17:38.26 | jmarsden | frold: Then you probably need to spend a lot more time learning the shell... Try something like (umask 0 && tar axf foo.tar.gz ) |
| 17:39.07 | pradyumna | k |
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| 17:43.43 | iderik_ | somiaj: thanks! do you know the default value? |
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| 17:46.16 | johnnynobody | hmm, iwlagn loads but the firmware doesn't - what am i missing? |
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| 17:47.23 | jmarsden | iderik_: xset q # outputs current settings... so if you have not messed with it yet, that will tell you the default :) |
| 17:47.34 | somiaj | iderik_: the man page gives it afiak |
| 17:48.07 | frold | jmarsden: changed nothing |
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| 17:49.13 | iderik_ | jmarsden: perfect :) ill change just the arrowkeys |
| 17:49.28 | iderik_ | somiaj: i read it, but not 100% i guess. thanks again! |
| 17:50.21 | jmarsden | frold: I'm out of ideas... you don't have unzip or tar aliased, do you? unzip and tar work normally for me in Debian as well as in Ubuntu... |
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| 17:53.53 | johnnynobody | http://pastebin.ca/2079737 |
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| 17:57.59 | iderik_ | Is it possible to print a manpage to the terminal? Like "man xset > stdout" |
| 17:58.16 | iderik_ | nothing serious, just want to learn how it works :) |
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| 17:58.44 | iderik_ | ive tried "cat man xset" and "echo man set" |
| 17:58.46 | v1k1ng0 | hi |
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| 17:59.15 | v1k1ng0 | someone with unstable and nvidia graphic card? I'm having a error about ABI |
| 17:59.16 | iderik_ | I got it! "man xset | cat" cool :D |
| 17:59.42 | v1k1ng0 | I've put -ignoreABI in my xorg.conf, but kde shows bad image |
| 17:59.53 | v1k1ng0 | someone has had that issue? |
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| 18:03.19 | somiaj | iderik_: you can also find the file in /usr/share/man/man?, foe example /usr/share/man/man1/xset.1.gz -- then zlessit |
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| 18:03.47 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: downgrade to xserver 1.10 |
| 18:03.53 | alex_3 | I have a l2tp/ipsec work server that I need to connect , authentication is done using username + password (xauth ?) , how can I get the certficate using debian and not windows machine (win7+vista dynamically download the cert but I can't figure out how to do that in debian) |
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| 18:04.03 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: 1.11 breaks compaidability with the old ABI and nvidia's supprot for ABI 11 is buggy. |
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| 18:11.25 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: thanks |
| 18:12.02 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: please keep the conversation in #debian, help is not an invite for /msg |
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| 18:12.12 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: you will have to grab it (and probabaly a few other packages) from testing |
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| 18:12.35 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: ok, thanks |
| 18:12.37 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: unless you have the old debs on your machine in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:12.49 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: also this is not the channel for sid help. that is #debian-next on irc.debian.org |
| 18:13.19 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: using unstable one should learn to check bug reports, install apt-listbugs and know how to downgrade and deal with package problems manually. Things do break. |
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| 18:14.14 | sunilg | I m using ubuntu 11.04 I am unable to connect to my dell bh200 headset.Nor is blueman bluetooth manager working.Any solution?? |
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| 18:15.37 | somiaj | !ubuntu |
| 18:15.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:17.23 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: ok, thank you very much |
| 18:17.23 | alex_3 | !l2tp |
| 18:17.23 | dpkg | [l2tp] Layer Two (2) Tunneling Protocol, an extension to <PPP> enabling ISPs to operate Virtual Private Networks. Ask me about <xl2tpd>. See also <vpn>. |
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| 18:17.32 | alex_3 | !vpn |
| 18:17.33 | dpkg | A Virtual Private Network (VPN) is constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications. This provides the ability to connect to a LAN from remote locations. Ask me about <openvpn>, <openswan>, <openssh> (see -w option), <vpnc>, <pptp>. |
| 18:17.37 | xok | hello all... |
| 18:17.47 | xok | can anyone help me put image in mp3 file?.. |
| 18:18.01 | xok | I found id3v2 but I can't understand how I should put image there... |
| 18:18.41 | somiaj | alex_3: you can /msg dpkg <factiod> if you are just wanting that info for yourself. |
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| 18:18.55 | simonlnu | s,io,oi, |
| 18:19.07 | somiaj | xok: what do you mean 'put an image in an mp3 file?' |
| 18:19.10 | alex_3 | somiaj - actually I need more then what dpkg can give me .. |
| 18:19.15 | alex_3 | but 10x |
| 18:19.39 | simonlnu | somiaj: e.g., album cover |
| 18:19.40 | xok | somiaj: I am to take a pic and put it in the mp3 (audio) file... :-) |
| 18:19.53 | xok | s/am/mean/ |
| 18:19.57 | simonlnu | xok: apt-cache search mp3 tag |
| 18:20.11 | xok | simonlnu: I found id3v2 tool... |
| 18:20.17 | xok | it seems pretty good tool... |
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| 18:20.35 | somiaj | simonlnu: seems like a silly place to put it. |
| 18:20.38 | simonlnu | there's a good number of them |
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| 18:21.03 | simonlnu | *shrug*, it supports it |
| 18:21.53 | somiaj | simonlnu: thanks though, I didn't realize id3v2 actually supported an image file -- but I guess you could put any data int he tag space you want. (: |
| 18:22.10 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: I've downgraded xserver-commond and xserver-xorg-core, do you know if I have to downgrade some package more? |
| 18:22.52 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: I had to down load all the xserver-imput-<> files with it since they are all tied to it in terms of versions |
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| 18:23.15 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: if you try to install something apt-get you'll get dependency errors you'll have to resolve. Resolve them (i.e. figure out what other packages you need to downgrade with it) |
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| 18:25.23 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: if I put apt-get -f install, it tries update it again |
| 18:26.12 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: Yup, because that is what it consideres fixed -- it doesn't care about the bug |
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| 18:27.04 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: that is why you ahve to manually downgade it and all the packages (and then either hold them or wait for the bug to get fixed before you upgrade again) |
| 18:27.40 | v1k1ng0 | yes, I understand it, but I don't know what more packages I may downgrade |
| 18:27.52 | v1k1ng0 | I wouldn't do upgrade while bug exists |
| 18:28.38 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: try to install something with apt-get and see what happens. |
| 18:28.49 | frold | jmarsden: how to figure out if tar or unzip is aliased? |
| 18:28.57 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: I don't know a nicer way to get apt to tell you its dependency problems. |
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| 18:29.08 | jmarsden | frold: Use the alias command :) |
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| 18:29.41 | uosiu | hi all |
| 18:30.12 | frold | jmarsden: -bash: alias: unzip: not found |
| 18:30.15 | uosiu | I'm doing debian graphical install. How to continue installation from VNC? |
| 18:31.11 | jmarsden | frold: Then I'm out of ideas. If it isn't umask and it isn't aliases, *something* is unusual about the environment on your server, but I have no idea what. |
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| 18:31.55 | frold | jmarsden: thanks any way and thanks for the time you spent! |
| 18:32.07 | jmarsden | frold: You're welcome. |
| 18:32.53 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: yeah, it fails ... I will have to download some packages manually because I don't have it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:32.56 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: thx |
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| 18:36.36 | xok | I found solution... |
| 18:36.44 | somiaj | v1k1ng0: apt-get check is what you will want to use to check which packages have unmet dependencies |
| 18:36.46 | xok | eyed3 has an option to --add-image |
| 18:36.49 | xok | thanks all... |
| 18:36.51 | xok | bb |
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| 18:37.23 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
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| 18:45.50 | v1k1ng0 | somiaj: ok, thanks |
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| 18:48.39 | sollinux | Hi |
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| 18:50.06 | sollinux | Is there new iceweasel (for example version 4.0 or 5.0) in backports in squeeze? |
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| 18:55.16 | phorce1_home | sollinux: unless you are REALLY againt copyrighted logos just install FF6 in /usr/local |
| 18:55.39 | phorce1_home | s/againt/against/ |
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| 18:56.41 | jaakkos | mozilla.debian.net |
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| 18:59.38 | uosiu | Hi, I've got a problem |
| 18:59.56 | sollinux | jaakkos: thanks=) |
| 19:00.04 | nedos | hmm, apparently http://people.debian.org/~benh/packages/ contains packages with a patched version of igb (which i need). Is there an easy away to compile the kernel for amd64 from the source package? |
| 19:00.37 | uosiu | I have separate machine, on which I want to install debian using graphical installer. I don't want to move every few seconds between my desktop and that machine, so I want to use VNC. is it possible? |
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| 19:12.51 | NekawA_ | yes |
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| 19:21.28 | AnnoDomini | Hi. I'm trying to install a Belkin USB wifi adapter and I'm having problems making it work. |
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| 19:22.08 | AnnoDomini | I'm unsure how to identify the exact version of the device I have. Can anyone help? |
| 19:23.01 | NekawA_ | lspci |
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| 19:26.06 | AnnoDomini | Not lsusb? |
| 19:26.45 | NekawA_ | try both, it should show up in one or the other or both |
| 19:26.59 | niklaswe | dpkg: gnome3 |
| 19:26.59 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian unstable at the moment and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
| 19:27.28 | AnnoDomini | NekawA_: Well, it shows up on lsusb as "Bus 003 Device 008: ID 050d:615a Belkin Components" which is rather scant information. |
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| 19:29.41 | herbert__ | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 19:30.06 | NekawA_ | that looks like exactly what you want AnnoDomini |
| 19:30.35 | phorce1_home | judd: pciid 050d:615a |
| 19:30.37 | judd | [050d:615a] is 'Unknown device' from 'Belkin' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=050d:615a |
| 19:31.26 | phorce1_home | that sux |
| 19:31.37 | NekawA_ | thats not true |
| 19:31.38 | NekawA_ | but okay |
| 19:32.40 | AnnoDomini | What is not true? |
| 19:33.18 | NekawA_ | well I guess its true, there aren't any kernel modules in squeeze or sid..but u can make them yourslef using the firmware cutter |
| 19:33.40 | NekawA_ | or of course u can use ndis |
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| 19:35.31 | n0sq | sure is a pita to build kernels |
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| 19:40.07 | AnnoDomini | Hmm. Thanks. |
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| 19:41.59 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 19:42.55 | spiekey | i would like to (automatically) install a bunch of Debian packages. Is there a way to disable the configuration dialog? Since i already have a copy of the config files.... |
| 19:44.40 | th0r | spiekey: if the config files are already in place the packages should put the new (original) config into a backup and keep the existing config intact. that is SHOULD <smile> |
| 19:45.59 | spiekey | th0r, thanks |
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| 19:48.39 | Known_problems | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.39 | Known_problems | <Known_problems> mirror does not work |
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| 19:50.22 | themill | dpkg: tell Known_problems about cross-post |
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| 19:50.59 | ansgar | Known_problems: Please don't ask the same question at the same time in multiple channels. |
| 19:52.41 | Known_problems | ansgar, multiple channels ? |
| 19:53.17 | themill | Known_problems: you asked the same question and also got an answer over on oftc. |
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| 19:54.29 | Known_problems | themill, ok... I thought it was independent channels |
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| 20:05.09 | karlpinc | I'm making a gpt grub boot partition. How big should it be? |
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| 20:10.40 | joltcan | karlpinc: Mine is 500MB, 94MB used after 2 years |
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| 20:12.02 | coops89 | hello, it's absolutely crucial that apt-get never prompts me with anything... currently the install of mysql-server will halt with a window prompting me for the root password |
| 20:12.13 | coops89 | I need fully automatic install scripts |
| 20:12.22 | coops89 | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive does not appear to prevent this window from opening |
| 20:12.53 | coops89 | how can I prevent this window from ever opening? |
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| 20:13.42 | joltcan | coops89: http://www.hands.com/d-i/ ? |
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| 20:14.03 | coops89 | could this because I run the apt-get with sudo but not the export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive? |
| 20:14.48 | joltcan | sounds plausible, but I have never tried that myself |
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| 20:21.56 | NekawA_ | coops89 that sounds like sudo or su asking for password isn't it? |
| 20:22.18 | pipeline | coops89: there is a preference to set for that |
| 20:22.22 | coops89 | NekawA_: no, it's the new mysql root password, not the system root password |
| 20:22.22 | pipeline | coops89: like question level to ask |
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| 20:22.37 | NekawA_ | ohh gotcha |
| 20:22.54 | pipeline | coops89: debconf is what does all that interactive shit... there's a knob to twist to make debconf use defaults always |
| 20:23.08 | NekawA_ | i've installed mysql before and on system startup it did not ask for the sql password |
| 20:23.13 | coops89 | pipeline: nice. do you happen to know what that setting is? |
| 20:23.27 | pipeline | coops89: it's called debconf priority, but I don't know where it is |
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| 20:23.40 | pipeline | coops89: ahah -- dpkg-reconfigure debconf, select "noninteractive" |
| 20:23.46 | pipeline | coops89: http://www.debianadmin.com/debconf-debian-configuration-management-system.html |
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| 20:24.39 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 20:35.06 | seb82 | hey guys... I got a question regarding tightvnc on debian squeeze |
| 20:36.03 | seb82 | I've read online that you play the sound from the host on the quest... Several sites suggested downloading programs on the alsa stuff but with no avail... |
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| 20:38.55 | Sw33NY_ | hi all |
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| 20:39.52 | Sw33NY_ | how can i doing to start script atfer boot on Debian Squeeze with cli ? |
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| 20:40.36 | rudi_s | !tell Sw33NY_ about startup |
| 20:40.51 | Sw33NY_ | thanks rudi_s |
| 20:40.56 | rudi_s | np |
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| 20:41.20 | rudi_s | And there's rc.local in case you just want to run some commands. |
| 20:41.58 | thogar | how do i modify grubs list? |
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| 20:42.23 | thogar | read something about, gnomesu lol iono |
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| 20:49.06 | seb82 | does any one know something about porting audio with vnc? |
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| 20:51.00 | masterkorp | hello, is there any special plage to perfom a package update that fixes a bug ?, I mailed the mainteiner 2 days ago, but no answer |
| 20:51.48 | daemonkeeper | Well, 2 days isn't very much |
| 20:52.25 | masterkorp | daemonkeeper: yeah, but since the app doesn't work at all |
| 20:52.37 | daemonkeeper | Which application? |
| 20:52.54 | masterkorp | daemonkeeper: sup (sup-mail the name of package) |
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| 20:53.37 | daemonkeeper | What makes you think it does not work at all? There is no release critical bug filed. |
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| 20:55.16 | masterkorp | daemonkeeper: well, it works. But not with the current offlineIMAP maildir index system, wich means or you need to downgrade offlineIMAP or upgrade sup. Upgarde sup is painless since it doesn't require any new dependency |
| 20:55.42 | daemonkeeper | #518723? |
| 20:55.52 | masterkorp | link please :p |
| 20:56.07 | masterkorp | i am on low bandwitch interwebs |
| 20:56.11 | jmarsden | bug #518723 |
| 20:56.14 | daemonkeeper | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=518723 |
| 20:56.30 | masterkorp | daemonkeeper: thanks, you saved me some KBs :) |
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| 20:56.58 | wsirc_5666267 | lol |
| 20:57.00 | wsirc_5666267 | :D |
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| 20:57.17 | masterkorp | daemonkeeper: not that one |
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| 20:57.40 | daemonkeeper | Its the only maildir related bug |
| 21:01.01 | masterkorp | daemonkeeper: just replicated the bug, its diferent now http://www.pastie.org/2477677 |
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| 21:01.54 | daemonkeeper | So, I don't know this sup thingie at all: You have been using an older version of sup before, then you upgraded and since then this error appears? |
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| 21:03.43 | masterkorp | nope |
| 21:04.43 | daemonkeeper | What did you do then? |
| 21:05.01 | masterkorp | apt-get install sup-mail |
| 21:05.06 | masterkorp | i purged iy before |
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| 21:05.16 | masterkorp | there was no updates meanwhile |
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| 21:06.09 | masterkorp | yeah still 0.11-2 |
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| 21:06.15 | daemonkeeper | I am not sure what triggers that error then, but I presume, it does not appear if you remove /home/masterkorp/.sup/ after puringand before reinstalling |
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| 21:07.59 | masterkorp | daemonkeeper: i removed |
| 21:08.18 | masterkorp | i will try again since i got a sighlty diferent style erro |
| 21:08.57 | gusto | what do this PAE kernels mean? |
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| 21:09.13 | daemonkeeper | !pae |
| 21:09.14 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 21:09.37 | gusto | thanks a lot |
| 21:09.44 | nvz | does it show me identified when I join? |
| 21:09.44 | debsan | !686-pae |
| 21:09.45 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-bigmem flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
| 21:09.49 | nvz | actually idk if you can even tell anymore |
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| 21:12.41 | nvz | I followed the irssi startup-howto section 3, where it says to do: /NETWORK ADD -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv identify pass;wait 2000" OFTC of course changing it for this network and stuff.. yet the 6th channel it joins (#python) always ends up #python-unregistered cause I'm not identified apparently when it joins |
| 21:12.54 | nvz | thats what the wait is for.. I don't understand why its doing this |
| 21:13.41 | amoe | nvz: try more than 2000, i need 10000 (seriously) |
| 21:14.21 | daemonkeeper | nvz: This is not really a question for #debian, please ask in #freenode for assistance. Basically you may want to use a script solving this more intelligently or you use SASL if your client supports it. |
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| 21:15.26 | nvz | daemonkeeper: hmm I hadn't thought about using a script. Personally I wouldnt care if it werent for the fact some channels require it and it defeats the purpose of auto-joining |
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| 21:15.37 | bugzs | kernel error |
| 21:15.40 | bugzs | i use ext4 |
| 21:15.48 | daemonkeeper | nvz: As said, use SASL |
| 21:15.54 | bugzs | why would it try to mount on ext3 for |
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| 21:16.35 | nkuttler | bugzs: it? |
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| 21:34.12 | kruz | I've been googling to no avail. I'm running a script with sudo -u to run a teamspeak server. It requires me to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH. How can I run: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="VALUE" as another user? |
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| 21:36.37 | jmarsden | kruz: Maybe something like: sudo -u someuser -c "bash -c 'export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=\"VALUE\" && yourscript'" # But it would be a lot cleaner to just write a real init script for your server instead! |
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| 21:37.46 | kruz | jmarsden, I am in the process of writing an init script with the example they provided, and it has the export command in there, but it tries to run as root. ... lemmie try running it as the other user |
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| 21:38.29 | nkuttler | doesn't start-stop-daemon have a user parameter? |
| 21:38.35 | jmarsden | kruz: use start-stop-daemon with -u |
| 21:38.43 | kruz | Thanks (: I appreciate it |
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| 21:50.31 | rooisto47 | hi everyone |
| 21:50.36 | rooisto47 | I've trouble |
| 21:50.58 | rooisto47 | difficulties to set my wlan |
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| 21:51.45 | rooisto47 | I'm under squeeze, having "Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection" |
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| 21:52.31 | rooisto47 | it tells me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Invalid argument" when "ifconfig wlan0 up" |
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| 21:54.18 | ompaul | rooisto47: you need to install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:54.27 | ompaul | !tell rooisto47 about non-free |
| 21:54.36 | somiaj | rooisto47: check dmesg you should see an error about missing firmware in that case |
| 21:54.39 | rooisto47 | omnoms, It's already installed |
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| 21:54.59 | somiaj | rooisto47: give us the output of /etc/network/interfaces (maybe wlan0 isn't configured correctly) |
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| 21:56.51 | rooisto47 | here is the output of dmesg http://pastebin.com/TGA2107t |
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| 21:57.52 | rooisto47 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.23 | mun_ | hi |
| 21:58.24 | mun_ | does anyone know what's wrong with the following: sh -c 'for ((i=10000; $i <= 38000; i+=2000)) do (echo $i); done;' i keep getting an error "Syntax error: Bad for loop variable" |
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| 21:59.05 | rooisto47 | somiaj, but it tell that the firmware is requesting iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode |
| 21:59.09 | qq30 | are there any good dictionary cli apps? |
| 21:59.11 | rooisto47 | in the dmesg |
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| 22:00.30 | kruz | mun_, use bash instead of sh |
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| 22:00.59 | mun_ | krull, yeah, bash works. but what would be right syntax for dash? |
| 22:01.21 | NekawA_ | mun_ when I do loops, I do 'while true ; do something ; done |
| 22:01.26 | NekawA_ | ' |
| 22:01.39 | somiaj | rooisto47: for ifup wlan0 to be brought up there needs to be mention of it in the interfaces file....seems like its not liking your firmware. Fix that. |
| 22:01.39 | NekawA_ | do you need a ; after the for statement before the do? |
| 22:02.30 | mun_ | NekawA_, i've tried that |
| 22:02.52 | kruz | sorry, the only time I use for loops is usually for VARIABLENAME in ARRAY ; do ... |
| 22:03.05 | mun_ | right |
| 22:03.17 | NekawA_ | weird it works in bash mun_ not in sh |
| 22:03.30 | mun_ | yeah |
| 22:03.32 | xingu | mun_: for i in `seq 10000 2000 38000`; do echo $i; done ? |
| 22:03.34 | rooisto47 | somiaj, right, but even with that it must work when you bring it up manually with ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 22:03.45 | rooisto47 | somiaj, take a look at the pastebin |
| 22:03.57 | mun_ | ah |
| 22:03.59 | rooisto47 | it shows something related to the firmware |
| 22:04.01 | mun_ | xingu, indeed. thanks. |
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| 22:04.19 | rooisto47 | firmware is requesting iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode |
| 22:04.27 | somiaj | rooisto47: ifup/ifdown are debian scripts that call ifconfig with the info from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:04.36 | somiaj | rooisto47: you do not need to use ifconfig if you configure your interfaces file right. |
| 22:04.41 | somiaj | rooisto47: but first fix the firmware issue. |
| 22:05.10 | somiaj | rooisto47: I'd ask google about your card, for somereason you are either requsting the wrong firmware, or there is some error in reeding the version causing the firmware not to load |
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| 22:05.50 | mun_ | so should '$i=10; echo ($i+10)' echo 20? |
| 22:06.27 | rooisto47 | somiaj, does that mean that I've to download the "iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode" file manually and install it like a did in the installating |
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| 22:06.33 | rooisto47 | installation |
| 22:06.35 | rooisto47 | ? |
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| 22:06.58 | somiaj | rooisto47: having the firmware isn't the problem. There is a conflict with the firmware and your card. Google those errors, read forums, figure it out. |
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| 22:07.28 | somiaj | rooisto47: is this on squeeze and your laptop fairly new? |
| 22:08.43 | rooisto47 | it's the first time I face that problem, it was ok when squeeze was testing, I used it with ubuntu 2 years ago and it was working |
| 22:08.46 | rooisto47 | all right |
| 22:09.05 | craigevil | iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode is in firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode, might try a newer kernel from backports |
| 22:09.09 | xingu | mun_: echo $(( $i + 10 )) might |
| 22:09.22 | somiaj | rooisto47: could be a bug in the firmware and you should get the newest version of the firmware from intel. |
| 22:09.31 | mun_ | xingu, thanks! |
| 22:09.34 | somiaj | rooisto47: i.e. its saying your firmware is only v0 and this card wants v5 |
| 22:10.26 | rooisto47 | ok, how can I proceed in that case ? |
| 22:11.03 | somiaj | rooisto47: we just told you, go get the newest firmware from say intel -- copy it to the right spot /lib/firmware/ |
| 22:11.25 | somiaj | rooisto47: though you may want to remove the firmware package first (so an upgrade won't overwrite the file you manually put there) |
| 22:11.39 | xingu | mun_: $( ) is roughly equivalent to `` but tends to have more natural rules for dealing with literals vs escapes. |
| 22:11.46 | rooisto47 | ok :) I'll try |
| 22:11.56 | mun_ | i see |
| 22:12.05 | xingu | mun_: unfortunately it's also less portable (across sh variants) |
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| 22:15.41 | rooisto47 | somiaj, thank you for the help. |
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| 22:25.29 | Accelerator | So, does libxvid no longer exist in the debian repos or git repository? |
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| 22:27.55 | romel | hi guys. I am unable to boot my debian box. Currently I am in grub resque shell. I specified root but is there any way to load kernel? |
| 22:28.08 | romel | help says nothing about 'kernel' command or such |
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| 22:29.18 | somiaj | Accelerator: I don't reall ever recal it beign in debian, I have always had to compile my own -- but I belive the source has a debian/ dir so you can eaisly compile it intoa cusomt package. |
| 22:30.08 | Accelerator | somiaj: where is the source |
| 22:30.36 | Accelerator | http://www.xvid.org/Downloads.15.0.html#c82 All this has is a broken link to a debian package, and a working one for suse/rpm. |
| 22:30.38 | somiaj | Accelerator: from teh upstream matainer, probably on sourceforge..ask google |
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| 22:30.49 | Accelerator | somiaj: I did |
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| 22:30.58 | somiaj | yea don't download a .deb package -- download the source |
| 22:31.02 | Accelerator | That's the reason I'm here >_> |
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| 22:31.21 | Accelerator | Oh |
| 22:31.23 | Accelerator | Nevermind. |
| 22:31.26 | Accelerator | Now I find it. |
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| 22:32.05 | Accelerator | I swear I hate xvid's website. |
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| 22:34.17 | somiaj | Accelerator: I'll aggree with that, I see no 'download' link and clicking on Xvid 1.3.2 is out did nothing. I gave up once you said you found it |
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| 22:36.08 | Accelerator | Yeah. I had to literally google "xvid source" to find it |
| 22:36.17 | Accelerator | Still not sure where you go on the actual website to get it. |
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| 22:37.14 | somiaj | Accelerator: there was a link that said 'get xvidcore source' -- read the doc/INSTALL documention once you unzip it, there are instructions on how to build a debian package, 1.f -- that is probabaly what you want to do |
| 22:37.50 | somiaj | Accelerator: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xvidcore -- hmm looks like xvidcore is in debian, probablay should have searched and not taken your word for it. |
| 22:38.01 | somiaj | its not in lenny, so must have been added in squeeze |
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| 22:38.13 | Accelerator | Ahh, xvidcore, yeah. |
| 22:38.18 | Accelerator | I was searching for libxvid |
| 22:38.42 | somiaj | its even 1.3.2 the newest version...sorry about the wild goose chace I sent you on |
| 22:38.57 | seb82 | libxvidcore... is on lenny |
| 22:39.16 | somiaj | seb82: seems strange packages.debian.org didn't list it then. |
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| 22:40.37 | seb82 | my bad... it's on pkgs.org |
| 22:40.44 | seb82 | latest version is 1.2.2 |
| 22:41.05 | somiaj | I recall it not being in debian when I compiled my own package, but that was 4-6 years ago |
| 22:41.50 | somiaj | so its why I took it on faith it wasn't there. |
| 22:42.15 | seb82 | packages get updated... and added |
| 22:42.42 | seb82 | why you still running lenny? |
| 22:43.28 | somiaj | I'm a desktop user and have been in sid for 8 years |
| 22:43.45 | seb82 | sid or testing... |
| 22:43.51 | somiaj | sid |
| 22:44.21 | seb82 | I have to say when i ran the beta of squeeze I was very much pleased with my now 8 year old laptop... single core processor and only 640 MB ram... |
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| 22:44.29 | seb82 | still am though |
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| 22:53.55 | craigevil | runs Debian sid with kde on my ancient IBM Thinkpad R40 |
| 22:54.12 | seb82 | wo |
| 22:54.27 | seb82 | who knows stuff bout tightvnc porting audio from host to client? |
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| 23:09.59 | michael___ | does anyone know how to backup a windows mbr and partition table |
| 23:10.14 | smhar | I have left my computer on overnight and now I can not hear any sound, I tried alsamixer and all the controls are on and @100% I also tried alsa force-reload. what can I do aside from relogging -in again? |
| 23:13.16 | rudi_s | smhar: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart might help. |
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| 23:14.34 | smhar | worked, thank you rudi_s |
| 23:14.41 | rudi_s | michael___: dd if=/dev/path-to-your-disk of=mbr bs=512 count=1 saves the MBR, but it contains only the primary partitions. |
| 23:14.44 | rudi_s | np |
| 23:17.20 | michael___ | thanks |
| 23:17.37 | rudi_s | np |
| 23:17.48 | michael___ | backing up my winxp laptop with a livecd |
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| 23:18.54 | rudi_s | michael___: I'd just copy the whole disk if you have enough backup storage. |
| 23:19.26 | rudi_s | dd if=/dev/path-to-disk of=/mnt/backup/windows.img bs=1M or something like that. |
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| 23:19.45 | michael___ | im using ntfs clone |
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| 23:20.04 | michael___ | to a cifs mount |
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| 23:22.46 | xrdodrx | Anyone can point me in the right direction as to why my keyboard that works in BIOS does not work in the debian installer? |
| 23:22.51 | xrdodrx | I have legacy USB emulation enabled |
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| 23:24.41 | pipeline | xrdodrx: try disabling that item |
| 23:25.58 | valdyn_ | xrdodrx: if you do that you might need a ps/2 keyboard to access the bios again |
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| 23:26.38 | xrdodrx | valdyn_, i have no ps/2 port |
| 23:26.39 | xrdodrx | :< |
| 23:26.55 | michael___ | :( |
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| 23:27.34 | xrdodrx | i'll try it anyway |
| 23:27.40 | valdyn_ | xrdodrx: you should be able to reset your bios to defaults on the mainboard, in a worst case scenario |
| 23:27.43 | xrdodrx | since the BIOS reassuringly says that the setting does not affect it |
| 23:27.56 | valdyn_ | xrdodrx: sure, that might be |
| 23:28.52 | jelly-home | IME, at least GRUB needs legacy USB hid support. Linux, after it boots, should not require it |
| 23:29.22 | xrdodrx | great |
| 23:29.28 | xrdodrx | I can't do that |
| 23:29.39 | xrdodrx | since my install media is USB optical driv |
| 23:29.41 | xrdodrx | :P |
| 23:29.54 | somiaj | do you ahve plug and play os turned off? |
| 23:30.18 | somiaj | xrdodrx: ^^ |
| 23:30.37 | xrdodrx | somiaj, let me check |
| 23:30.42 | xrdodrx | build it just an hour ago :) |
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| 23:32.43 | xrdodrx | somiaj, i can't find that option |
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| 23:34.14 | xrdodrx | well, as much as it pains me to say this, guess i'll be doing a graphical install |
| 23:34.17 | xrdodrx | >.< |
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| 23:34.41 | dvs | :-O |
| 23:34.49 | marena | how do I install gnome from cli, what is the metapackage name ? |
| 23:35.07 | dvs | !tell marena about gname |
| 23:35.10 | dvs | !tell marena about gnome |
| 23:36.17 | marena | heh did not recieved any info from the bot |
| 23:36.45 | marena | well, i will try with gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:36.58 | dvs | !install gnome |
| 23:36.59 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 23:37.09 | xrdodrx | it seems like I'm covered by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569740 |
| 23:37.15 | xrdodrx | but this bug is marked fixeD? |
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| 23:37.50 | marena | !install x |
| 23:37.50 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 23:38.06 | xrdodrx | w 22 |
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| 23:38.44 | marena | I like this bot :D |
| 23:38.45 | xrdodrx | this is frustrating |
| 23:38.53 | xrdodrx | really wish i could use console setup |
| 23:39.05 | xrdodrx | anyone have advice before i bite the bullet and burn a graphical disc? |
| 23:40.21 | marena | xrdodrx: I did burn a cd of deb6.. in the middle of my install everyting stoped, so I am sitting in cli and have lot of packages missing.. wish you better luck than I had heh |
| 23:40.49 | xrdodrx | heh yeah :) |
| 23:42.25 | Stoopit | how can i check with software if a disk is spinning or not? |
| 23:42.57 | Stoopit | i installed debian on an SD card on a netbook, and i want to make sure its HDD doesnt spin, since the owner only surfs and doesn't use files at all |
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| 23:44.16 | somiaj | Stoopit: so you are just saying you don't need the harddrive at all? |
| 23:45.09 | Stoopit | somiaj, no, if he removes the sd card before boot then his windows sohuld boot |
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| 23:45.34 | Stoopit | its just in linux i don't want it to spin |
| 23:45.41 | marena | Stoopit: try with hdparm |
| 23:45.41 | marena | think you can check the disk speed with the parameter -i |
| 23:45.43 | Stoopit | i think it doesnt spin since its not mounted by default |
| 23:45.45 | somiaj | Stoopit: Well do you mount the drive. Why not just tell udev to ignore the device. It shouldn't spin up if its never accessed. |
| 23:45.52 | Stoopit | but i'm not sure |
| 23:45.55 | Stoopit | its a quiet disk |
| 23:46.15 | Stoopit | somiaj, ah nice, then it should not be spinning now since its not mounted :) |
| 23:46.28 | Stoopit | its an aspire one btw |
| 23:46.36 | Stoopit | works great |
| 23:46.50 | Stoopit | much, much, much quicker then its windows 7 |
| 23:47.07 | Stoopit | which was his problem, it was way too slow for him to be surfing comfortably |
| 23:47.17 | somiaj | Stoopit: well if you tell udev to just completely ignore it. It won't even have a device for it in /dev |
| 23:47.28 | gusto | this #debian-next is on another irc network? |
| 23:47.44 | somiaj | Stoopit: I don't think it should spin at all in this case or your case, but I wouldn't know for certain. |
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| 23:47.44 | gusto | here it says that to #debian-next i must be invited |
| 23:47.56 | somiaj | gusto: that is exactaly what the /topic says |
| 23:48.01 | Bushmills | Stoopit: hdparm might be able to tell |
| 23:48.08 | somiaj | gusto: offical debian support is not on freenode. |
| 23:48.09 | gusto | hm .. i ll check it out |
| 23:48.30 | gusto | i am only curious |
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| 23:49.32 | Stoopit | Bushmills, thanks |
| 23:51.20 | gusto | freenode seems to be better than official |
| 23:52.04 | daemonkeeper | Except that both channels feature vastly the same persons (and bots) |
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| 23:52.29 | gusto | yes |
| 23:52.39 | gusto | and more ppl connect to freenode servers |
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| 23:53.22 | jelly-home | well the number of users itself does not make a better channel |
| 23:53.26 | xrdodrx | gusto, just because there are more nicks in a channel doesn't make it a better channel for support |
| 23:53.41 | marena | freenode is the only server I use, have support or help for any dist when needs |
| 23:54.28 | marena | what dist are you running, only debian `? |
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| 23:55.20 | daemonkeeper | We are all using Ubuntu of course. |
| 23:55.34 | jelly-home | there's usually no need to run anything else, except when a hw or app vendor requires a different distro for support |
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| 23:55.52 | marena | hehe well ubuntu is nice, but unity is crap |
| 23:56.07 | jelly-home | it is also offtopic |
| 23:56.21 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 23:56.57 | jelly-home | the ##linux channel, however, has users of many distros |
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| 23:57.49 | marena | ontopic then, i have an strange shipset on my laptop, when I boot up then gnome is incredible slow.. using noapic and nolapic... but something is really wrong..' |
| 23:58.08 | marena | not gnome, mean grub |
| 23:58.24 | gusto | grub is always slow |
| 23:58.56 | marena | not with 1fps on my keybord, cant edit grub config |
| 23:58.56 | gusto | i bet that it is gnome2 |
| 23:59.11 | marena | 1 can type 1 letter /seccond |
| 23:59.33 | gusto | that can depend on your HW configuration |
| 23:59.53 | marena | hmmm... init 0 ? |