| 00:00.11 | Dulak | marena: is your usb in the bios set to OS or bios? sometimes called legacy usb |
| 00:00.24 | gusto | is that only in grub2, or your problems continue after booting linux? |
| 00:00.44 | marena | its in grub2.. and after grub everything is nice |
| 00:00.58 | gusto | btw. which option is the right one for this shit? legacy usb enabled, or disabled? |
| 00:01.21 | Dulak | legacy usb enabled gives you usb support in grub |
| 00:01.25 | marena | dont know the settings, Thx for the hint, will look it up after the install of xorg |
| 00:01.31 | gusto | i do always set it to legacy usb enabled |
| 00:01.49 | Dulak | after grub the setting doesn't matter |
| 00:01.54 | marena | thx gusto i will check it up |
| 00:02.06 | marena | sounds reasonable and good |
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| 00:02.45 | Dulak | On my machine if it's disabled things I type only show on the screen after a short pause, but it works. |
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| 00:03.03 | Dulak | If I enable it, bam, typing in grub is normal again. |
| 00:03.55 | marena | not sure I do have leagacy settings for usb devices in grub on this crappy laptop :/ maybe i can dissable it in grub configs |
| 00:04.08 | pipeline | gusto, Dulak : in general it's better to have legacy turned off |
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| 00:04.23 | pipeline | gusto, Dulak : sometimes turning off legacy support breaks things in grub, particularly on older hardware. only one way to find out. |
| 00:04.52 | Dulak | pipeline: on some hw having it off means you cannot use a usb kb in the bios or grub, so I always enable it |
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| 00:05.56 | Dulak | All it does is tell the bios to init hid devices on usb before the boot, after the boot the OS takes it over anyways. I don't understand how that would break grub. |
| 00:07.10 | pipeline | Dulak: sometimes turning it *off* makes 16 bit apps not work |
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| 00:08.27 | Dulak | pipeline: if the OS isn't monitoring the keyboard interrupt I can see that. 16 bit apps will exclusively use the interrupt iirc |
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| 00:10.14 | nor42 | the package list of retrieved by the entry "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" in sources.list causes my aptitude and apt-get to crash due to a segfault.. someone messed up sth.. |
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| 00:11.08 | Magui | hello, all. I have some problems with cups apparently. I did an update/upgrade last night, and rebooted. today, I can't print anything. the first thing I tried was to delete the printer in cups, so I can add it again, and see if anything changes. I was able to delete it, but now I cannot add a printer in cups. |
| 00:11.26 | marena | cool, worx as a sharm, gnome and xchat again :D |
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| 00:12.08 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 00:12.13 | Magui | I can get to the screen where it is supposed to give you a list of printer types to select (local, network, etc.), but the options are not available, so there is nothing for me to select. anybody know what might be wrong here. |
| 00:12.20 | nor42 | can s.o. confirm this issue with aptitude? |
| 00:12.21 | nvz | I swear someone should change the lenny->squeeze factoid to "Don't." |
| 00:13.02 | gusto | btw. this wheezy is quite stable and there are little updates comming in, will it become stable in the near future? |
| 00:13.14 | dvs | heh |
| 00:13.26 | marena | !install compiz |
| 00:13.44 | Magui | running debian testing, kernel 3.0-4 (liquorix kernel), cups version 1.5.0, kde 4.6.5 |
| 00:13.47 | nvz | I never had any issues installing squeeze but upgrading always causes a TON of issues.. my tap to click still don't work, my gnome volume controls don't seem to control anything, I had to install aumix, I could fill a small notebook with all the crap upgrading from lenny to squeeze breaks |
| 00:13.55 | daemonkeeper | gusto: With "near future" as defined in Debian relations, sure |
| 00:14.34 | gusto | well, in debian definition that could take 10 years |
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| 00:14.53 | daemonkeeper | gusto: Right, hence "near future" -> Q4 2012 |
| 00:14.55 | silvertip257 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:15.00 | gusto | but now they tightened it a little more |
| 00:15.09 | somiaj | gusto: there is still a good amount of upgrades, I think gnome3 needs to filter in before they start the freeze. |
| 00:15.11 | nkuttler | likes aumix |
| 00:15.25 | gusto | well, i dont use gnome3 |
| 00:15.30 | daemonkeeper | We're approaching to freeze in June 2012 |
| 00:16.04 | nor42 | the package list retrieved by the entry "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" in sources.list causes my aptitude and apt-get to crash due to a segfault.. seems like someone messed up sth.. can s.o. confirm this issue? |
| 00:16.22 | pipeline | silvertip257: kaze is based on gecko, gecko supports socks5 intrinsically. Is possible that the authors chose not to expose those config knobs. |
| 00:16.46 | silvertip257 | pipeline: likely so ... I'll dig in about:config |
| 00:17.31 | gusto | well segfault in apt-get in a stable release that is a serious accusation |
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| 00:18.03 | daemonkeeper | ... but observing how many people are using it every day, makes a problem on nor42's side more likely |
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| 00:22.32 | nor42 | the main release is testing, but nevertheless i get the package list of debian stable.. this problem is reproducible, and occurs every time i try to get this package list |
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| 00:24.10 | gusto | that may be a problem with digital signature |
| 00:24.33 | gusto | because that is the only one thing he checks while retrieving that list |
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| 00:25.29 | gusto | on his site it could only be some corrupted data, for example a corrupted certificate or the program that checks it |
| 00:25.42 | gusto | side |
| 00:25.49 | Bushmills | "nevertheless i get the package list of debian stable..." ...package list retrieved by the entry "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" - if there's a squeeze entry, why would you expect wheezy packages? |
| 00:26.46 | nor42 | some packages of debian stable are not available in testing or sid.. so i need the stable packages |
| 00:27.08 | daemonkeeper | err |
| 00:27.13 | gusto | hm |
| 00:27.20 | gusto | mixing is generally a bad idea |
| 00:27.26 | Bushmills | and as result of mixing, something segfaults? |
| 00:27.47 | nor42 | so noone else can reproduce this issue? |
| 00:27.50 | daemonkeeper | guesses, nor42 got some library mismatching between stable and testing |
| 00:27.56 | somiaj | nor42: what packages. many older software installs just fine, its usually a >= depeddency. |
| 00:28.03 | gusto | yes, that may be a bug that is not very popular because no one does mix security updates |
| 00:28.42 | daemonkeeper | Its probably not a bug. I am pretty sure, nor42 got some dependency from stable breaking ABIs of his testing apt |
| 00:29.33 | gusto | yes |
| 00:29.46 | gusto | !ABI |
| 00:29.46 | dpkg | hmm... abi is application binary interface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface). See also <kernel abi>. |
| 00:29.48 | Bushmills | "seems like someone messed up" - i tend to agree and say that nor42 did |
| 00:30.00 | nor42 | as far as i remember i purged all stable packages, so its only the package list |
| 00:30.27 | gusto | why dont you just use stable, when you need some packages that are not included in testing? |
| 00:30.49 | gusto | and nor42 which packages do you mean? |
| 00:30.52 | daemonkeeper | I doubt that argument really counts. I mean really, how many packages can that be, 1 or 2? |
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| 00:31.08 | tharkun | nor42: using stable has some advantages, you might want to take a look at ssb factoid to fix your most immediate needs |
| 00:31.13 | daemonkeeper | Its not that so many packages had been removed for Squeeze |
| 00:31.17 | nor42 | gusto: stable is toooooo old.. |
| 00:31.34 | nor42 | its 1 package i think |
| 00:31.41 | gusto | which package? |
| 00:31.41 | nor42 | 1 stable package |
| 00:31.49 | tharkun | nor42: i have oldstable running with the latest version of the mta i use |
| 00:31.52 | nsadmin | nor42, and software that worked a week ago works still yesterday... |
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| 00:32.37 | tharkun | nor42: and i have squeeze running programs from lenny or is it etch? anyway running fine |
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| 00:33.11 | nor42 | well its a very new notebook.. stable does not work properly |
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| 00:33.33 | tharkun | nor42: check bpo's kernel it might work |
| 00:33.51 | nor42 | i cant remember the name of that package from stable. |
| 00:34.08 | gusto | well backports might help |
| 00:34.21 | tharkun | on aptitude check for the Obsolete and Locally Created |
| 00:34.24 | nsadmin | "stable doesn't work properly" is a -sweeping- generalization with these word in it: |
| 00:34.28 | nsadmin | !doesn't work |
| 00:34.29 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 00:34.42 | gusto | on hardware issues, it is always about the kernel and kernel is one of the main reasons for backports |
| 00:34.54 | tharkun | !beer gusto |
| 00:34.54 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for gusto |
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| 00:36.05 | Bushmills | substandard stuff, Spaten |
| 00:36.17 | Magui | hello, all. I have some problems with cups apparently. I did an update/upgrade last night, and rebooted. today, I can't print anything. the first thing I tried was to delete the printer in cups, so I can add it again, and see if anything changes. I was able to delete it, but now I cannot add a printer in cups. |
| 00:36.32 | Magui | I can get to the screen where it is supposed to give you a list of printer types to select (local, network, etc.), but the options are not available, so there is nothing for me to select. anybody know what might be wrong here? |
| 00:36.44 | Magui | running debian testing, kernel 3.0-4 (liquorix kernel), cups version 1.5.0, kde 4.6.5 |
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| 00:37.35 | tharkun | Magui: help is next door on #debian-next @irc.oftc.net |
| 00:37.50 | nor42 | my only concern was to report that bug (?), cause testing works fine for me.. i thought if i use testing, it is somehow my duty to help improving it.. |
| 00:37.56 | Bushmills | Magui: why not debian kernel? |
| 00:38.58 | tharkun | nor42: good documentation and tips to reproduce a bug is the best way to help |
| 00:39.16 | Magui | tharkun: I'll give that a try, thanks. |
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| 00:40.01 | nor42 | tharkun: yeah.. i will do it tomorrow |
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| 00:41.45 | Magui | Bushmills: can't remember all the reasons now why. iirc, the debian kernel is optimized more for servers than for desktops. the liquorix kernel is tuned more for desktops. liquorix kernel is also usually more current (don't know what version the testing kernel is on now). the liquorix seems somewhat popular at forums.debian.net. that's where I first heard about it. |
| 00:42.17 | daemonkeeper | Oh, propaganda works |
| 00:42.25 | Bushmills | Magui: using non-debian packages makes problem diagnosis next to impossible |
| 00:43.15 | Magui | Bushmills: oh. I thought this was just a cups problem, but I see what you mean. |
| 00:43.46 | nor42 | i dont know why you try to persuade me to use the stable release.. i think its a great idea to use testing in order to help to improve the next stable release.. |
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| 00:44.31 | daemonkeeper | nor42: If so, you should be using sid |
| 00:45.00 | daemonkeeper | Sid is, where development takes place. Testing is preselected stuff. |
| 00:45.01 | nsadmin | nor42, use what you want... but don't say you weren'; warned :) |
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| 00:45.24 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 00:45.24 | dpkg | ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
| 00:45.39 | Magui | tharkun: looks like debian-next is meant for sid users? |
| 00:45.45 | Bushmills | ,versions kde-full |
| 00:45.46 | judd | Package kde-full on i386 -- squeeze: 5:66; sid: 5:70; wheezy: 5:70 |
| 00:45.55 | simonlnu | testing and unstable |
| 00:46.11 | daemonkeeper | Magui: Sid and Testing |
| 00:46.43 | tharkun | Magui: sid|testing users in general. People there like living on the edge. most of them there run testing on their laptops and some sid |
| 00:46.53 | Bushmills | ,versions kde-window-manager |
| 00:46.56 | judd | Package kde-window-manager on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; sid: 4:4.6.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.6.5-2 |
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| 00:47.19 | tharkun | Magui: you won't loose anything asking there |
| 00:47.35 | Magui | tharkun: oh, OK. never heard of it before. |
| 00:47.44 | nsadmin | what would cause momentary mouse freezes during which some routine task on the gui gets completed? |
| 00:47.54 | Magui | tharkun: fair enough. just didn't want to make sure I was out of place. |
| 00:48.23 | silvertip257 | pipeline: I was able to manually edit network.proxies.[socks|socks_port] and network.proxy.type = 1 ... hmm definitely a bummer because I liked Kazehakase's proxy switcher. |
| 00:48.35 | Bushmills | ,versions cups |
| 00:48.36 | judd | Package cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; lenny-proposed-updates: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny9; squeeze: 1.4.4-7; sid: 1.5.0-5; wheezy: 1.5.0-5 |
| 00:48.40 | tharkun | nsadmin: what type of mouse? |
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| 00:48.56 | nsadmin | synaptics touchpad |
| 00:49.04 | jetscreamer | consider /msg |
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| 00:49.08 | Bushmills | Magui: you installed cups 1.5.0? |
| 00:49.14 | djskidd | umm |
| 00:49.25 | djskidd | ookay |
| 00:49.27 | nsadmin | not umm, dmm! |
| 00:49.38 | djskidd | I want some help |
| 00:49.43 | Magui | Bushmills: yeah....well, I updated. this is not a new install. |
| 00:49.59 | jetscreamer | !tell djskidd -about ask |
| 00:50.00 | tharkun | nsadmin: I've had trouble with those for quite sometime, it seems the driver looses syncrony with the hw and sometimes it stalls a bit some processes sometimes it slides by itself ... |
| 00:50.07 | nsadmin | djskidd, what do you want, in some detail? |
| 00:50.31 | djskidd | I am downloading Debian XFCE right now and want to install it from USB key (it's 4GB) |
| 00:50.55 | nsadmin | tharkun, do you get messages that say an interrupt was shut down because "nobody cared"? |
| 00:51.02 | djskidd | Brb, I better change song before I go crazy |
| 00:51.23 | tharkun | nsadmin: never, allways some syncro stuff |
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| 00:52.20 | nsadmin | tharkun I have a dell 15r with a triple amd64 and 4g ram... you? |
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| 00:52.45 | djskidd | god |
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| 00:53.07 | tharkun | Dell Precision M2400 dualcore 2GB |
| 00:53.08 | djskidd | I hate this netbook sometimes |
| 00:53.09 | nsadmin | 4gb?! |
| 00:53.16 | djskidd | Flash disk |
| 00:53.25 | djskidd | It's going onto a 250GB |
| 00:53.30 | nsadmin | do you have a flash big enough? |
| 00:53.42 | djskidd | I dunno, is 4GB okay? |
| 00:53.59 | nsadmin | maybe |
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| 00:54.14 | djskidd | I want to install onto a 250 GB drive from a 4GB flash key |
| 00:54.24 | nsadmin | and, maybe you should start with the netinst |
| 00:54.28 | pipeline | that's easy, the install media is only a few hundred megs |
| 00:54.39 | pipeline | running off of a 4G flash disk would be harder. Not impossible, just a little tight. |
| 00:54.43 | tharkun | djskidd: why not use the netinstall image way smaller that can fit allmost anywhere |
| 00:55.03 | djskidd | Can't |
| 00:55.04 | tharkun | And it can install XFCE |
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| 00:55.39 | tharkun | !apt-zip |
| 00:55.40 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 00:55.41 | djskidd | My roommates are watching a movie, my other computer will generate too much light |
| 00:55.49 | nsadmin | you would have to use the "flexible way" to format the stick |
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| 00:56.29 | nsadmin | it's not going to be on the net? |
| 00:56.45 | tharkun | nsadmin: wrong wag |
| 00:56.56 | djskidd | Gotta use USB stick |
| 00:57.40 | nsadmin | wishywashywagwump? |
| 00:57.47 | djskidd | MAN, this movie is so random |
| 00:57.57 | djskidd | I never understood Anime |
| 00:58.04 | djskidd | Except for Interstella 5555 |
| 00:58.55 | nsadmin | tharkun: unless his media is as small as or smaller than a netinst, he can't just dd the boot.omg |
| 00:59.14 | nsadmin | it has a file system that's like 250mb |
| 00:59.41 | tharkun | nsadmin: unetbootin came to my mind |
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| 01:01.14 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:01.21 | nsadmin | that could work |
| 01:01.29 | silvertip257 | rsync files from the install cd/dvd + (sys|ext)linux ... essentially what unetbootin does (vfat + syslinux) |
| 01:01.40 | silvertip257 | bit of work if you don't know what you're doing though |
| 01:01.45 | Stoopit | unetbootin is nice and conveniant |
| 01:01.48 | Stoopit | and multiplatform |
| 01:01.55 | silvertip257 | as is the manual method :) |
| 01:02.05 | djskidd | On an unrelated topic, I was in one of those trivia channels |
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| 01:02.13 | Stoopit | ywah conveniance sucks i suppose |
| 01:02.13 | Stoopit | :-S |
| 01:02.17 | nsadmin | how do you get 2000 debian developers to whine alot? |
| 01:02.17 | Stoopit | </sarcasm> |
| 01:02.25 | djskidd | You know, you answer questions and get useless points? |
| 01:02.51 | djskidd | I got top of the month |
| 01:02.59 | djskidd | But I must admit, I cheated |
| 01:03.02 | nsadmin | suggest anything that's not invented here |
| 01:03.08 | djskidd | (google) |
| 01:03.29 | silvertip257 | nsadmin: isn't that a motivator for more innovation then? |
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| 01:04.17 | nsadmin | I don't really see it that way; I don't see how the prevelent attitude motivates or encourages anyone |
| 01:04.37 | djskidd | holy crap |
| 01:05.00 | djskidd | I can buy a 30GB iPod for $1,000 |
| 01:05.09 | nsadmin | yay! |
| 01:05.11 | Stoopit | lol |
| 01:05.14 | djskidd | or a 160GB for $250 |
| 01:05.18 | silvertip257 | says what a waste of money |
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| 01:05.33 | Stoopit | shaves djskidd 's wool off |
| 01:05.36 | nsadmin | the 30gb must be a touch |
| 01:05.45 | djskidd | Nope.avi |
| 01:05.55 | djskidd | It's a Video (the 5th gen) |
| 01:05.59 | Stoopit | a crappy product that needs their crappy sync software for twice as much as any other normal branded product |
| 01:06.02 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:06.11 | nsadmin | and the 160? |
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| 01:06.34 | silvertip257 | is it plated with 24k gold ? |
| 01:06.54 | djskidd | Nope |
| 01:07.01 | djskidd | Just 2 normal iPods |
| 01:07.28 | djskidd | Oh wait, even better |
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| 01:07.33 | tharkun | nsadmin: lsusb throws this Bus 003 Device 004: ID 413c:8158 Dell Computer Corp. Integrated Touchpad / Trackstick |
| 01:07.39 | djskidd | The $1,000 one? |
| 01:07.47 | djskidd | IT'S A CASE |
| 01:08.16 | djskidd | thinks the world has gone over the edge of stupidity |
| 01:08.19 | tharkun | !tell djskidd about ot |
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| 01:10.52 | djskidd | So back to USB install |
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| 01:12.45 | nsadmin | at the same time tharkun probably agrees with you |
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| 01:13.29 | djskidd | About what? |
| 01:14.25 | nsadmin | the world being crazy since apple sells stuff at way too hi prices |
| 01:14.26 | djskidd | @nsadmin, what's your lag? |
| 01:14.38 | nsadmin | ice cream!! |
| 01:15.28 | nsadmin | or do you mean my mouse lag? |
| 01:15.45 | djskidd | IRC |
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| 01:16.13 | nsadmin | 0.7 secs |
| 01:16.53 | mrtnt | How to force ping, which sends ICMP "echo requests", to timeout if there is no response after one second? |
| 01:17.09 | tharkun | mrtnt: man ping |
| 01:17.32 | mrtnt | tharkun: I know the -W option, but this does not seem to work |
| 01:18.53 | tharkun | mrtnt: ok so what is your actual problem and what do you expect ping to achieve? |
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| 01:21.29 | djskidd | Aaaanyway... |
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| 01:23.56 | cicerone | nsadmin: you have to pay for quality, apples is expensive, true. |
| 01:24.21 | tharkun | cicerone: and full of crap |
| 01:24.39 | djskidd | If I got $700 to buy a cojmputer... |
| 01:24.43 | djskidd | *computer |
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| 01:24.51 | djskidd | I would buy either a mac |
| 01:24.52 | cicerone | tharkun: hm :-) |
| 01:24.58 | djskidd | or a high end PC |
| 01:25.02 | djskidd | and install Debian |
| 01:25.22 | djskidd | (on the PC.) (the mac would stay OSX) |
| 01:27.22 | djskidd | touch it bring it pay it watch it turn it leave it stop format it |
| 01:27.26 | djskidd | technologic |
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| 01:28.01 | jmarsden | mrtnt: ping -c 1 -w 1 1.2.3.4 |
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| 01:36.04 | cicerone | tharkun: true. |
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| 01:38.08 | Snooops | Hello guys, i got a debian lenny as a homeserver and there is a radeon xt 2600 inside. This graphiccard is going to make some noise and i figured out that is going hot too. But on my homeserver there is no X or any other GUI running, just console. Do you guys have an idea why my graphiccard is getting hot? |
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| 01:43.01 | p_quarles | Snooops: why is it even in there? just take it out; as long as it's plugged in it's going to be running and drawing electricity |
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| 01:46.05 | somiaj | Snooops: maybe the fan/heatsink/gunk build up over time isn't keeping it cool when its ideling. If you don't need it, just put some simple gpu in there. |
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| 01:48.53 | djskidd | Still 14 minutes left |
| 01:51.39 | Snooops | hmm i like a graphic card on that homeserver to connect a tft in trouble ;) |
| 01:51.56 | Snooops | i think i buy a simple passive graphic card :P |
| 01:52.15 | djskidd | NVidias are good |
| 01:52.21 | djskidd | I use one |
| 01:52.32 | djskidd | (not here, of course) |
| 01:53.03 | p_quarles | onboard graphics would be fine in that use case; I assume none on this mainboard? |
| 01:54.27 | djskidd | Well, what do you plan to do? |
| 01:54.40 | djskidd | Just a server/storage? |
| 01:55.06 | cicerone | lenny home server, graka is too hot... |
| 01:55.13 | p_quarles | he indicated it was console only, and presumably remote, and the gpu was just in case of connection trouble |
| 01:55.22 | Snooops | yes on this lenny there is proxmox installed |
| 01:55.53 | Snooops | on this there are several services, some for my web-development, active directory... it-playground :P |
| 01:56.49 | cicerone | for someone who running lenny, playground sounds strange |
| 01:56.50 | p_quarles | does it have a monitor attached to it normally? mine is completely headless, but some people don't like doing it that way |
| 01:58.19 | Snooops | normally not |
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| 01:58.36 | Snooops | why is lenny strange? |
| 01:58.51 | Snooops | i like it, i installed that machine before squeeze |
| 01:59.07 | p_quarles | at this point, lenny is a legacy OS, so probably most people who run it do so because squeeze doesn't work with some critical app |
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| 02:00.09 | djskidd | YAY |
| 02:00.12 | djskidd | finally |
| 02:00.38 | djskidd | Now then |
| 02:01.05 | djskidd | How do I package a Debian ISO to go onto and be installable from my USB key? |
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| 02:02.19 | p_quarles | djskidd: cat debian.iso > /dev/usbkey |
| 02:03.09 | djskidd | Where do I execute this command? Terminal? |
| 02:03.14 | cicerone | Snooops: nobody said lenny is strange, but in the context, using lenny and talking about playground is strange, IMO - but i think you know what you are doing and you have reasons to do so. |
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| 02:04.04 | p_quarles | djskidd: yes, but since you ask make sure you know what you're doing; that's an example command, and both terms need to be replaced with the actual names |
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| 02:04.19 | Snooops | nah lenny isnt the playground, lenny is the stablepart, hosting the server for my virtualmachines ;) |
| 02:04.40 | Snooops | thx 4 your help mates ; |
| 02:04.40 | Snooops | bye |
| 02:05.31 | djskidd | k terminal is up |
| 02:05.45 | djskidd | key is in |
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| 02:06.22 | djskidd | now what? |
| 02:06.52 | somiaj | djskidd: dd is probabaly better than cat. dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/usb_device |
| 02:06.57 | somiaj | what ever it happens to be |
| 02:07.49 | p_quarles | I believe cat will do the same thing; if I'm not mistaken it would use dd for an input file that's a disk image |
| 02:08.11 | djskidd | so. if the iso name is debian-live-6.0.2-i386-xfce-desktop.img |
| 02:08.17 | djskidd | and the flash disk name is |
| 02:08.25 | djskidd | SKIDD FLASHDISK |
| 02:08.26 | somiaj | djskidd: dmesg to see what it was assigned to |
| 02:08.33 | djskidd | what is myt command? |
| 02:08.35 | somiaj | djskidd: no it will be something like /dev/sda |
| 02:08.50 | p_quarles | hopefully not, unless there's no hard drive |
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| 02:10.54 | silvertip257 | djskidd: dmesg | grep sd |
| 02:11.19 | somiaj | arg sorry, I ment /dev/sdc :/ -- but yes it will be /dev/sd? |
| 02:11.38 | silvertip257 | no, but he will find out what it is .. it's sd* |
| 02:11.42 | silvertip257 | sd<something> |
| 02:12.14 | djskidd | is a little lost, anyone got TeamViewer? |
| 02:12.25 | silvertip257 | djskidd: explain what you don't understand |
| 02:12.42 | djskidd | well, I see dmesg | grep sd |
| 02:12.48 | djskidd | I execute it |
| 02:12.56 | djskidd | and I get a lot of info |
| 02:13.01 | silvertip257 | you should see your 4GB flash drive |
| 02:13.03 | djskidd | not sure what to utilize |
| 02:13.06 | silvertip257 | hm |
| 02:13.35 | djskidd | oh, good |
| 02:13.45 | djskidd | won't let me copy+paste from Terminal |
| 02:13.57 | p_quarles | highlight to copy |
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| 02:14.08 | djskidd | otherwise I would have just flooded this chat |
| 02:14.10 | silvertip257 | I found my drive easily in the output ... as long as you know which drive it is sdb or sdc, etc |
| 02:14.26 | p_quarles | anyway, the output of su -c "fdisk -l" might be a little easier to read |
| 02:14.27 | djskidd | 1.0s lag... |
| 02:14.27 | silvertip257 | djskidd: yes, don't paste + flood us |
| 02:14.54 | djskidd | alright, I have to get rid of this on my shirt |
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| 02:15.31 | djskidd | DROID |
| 02:15.38 | djskidd | aanyway |
| 02:16.26 | djskidd | still dunno if the key is sda, sdb, sdc, sda1, sda2, etc... |
| 02:16.51 | p_quarles | djskidd: run this: su -c "fdisk -l" |
| 02:17.01 | p_quarles | djskidd: paste the output on pastebin.com and give us the link |
| 02:17.13 | tharkun | !paste |
| 02:17.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 02:18.00 | evildroid | or just look at dmesg since it will show the device when it gets plugged in and will show the device mount point i.e. sda1 etc |
| 02:18.02 | djskidd | This password is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 02:18.15 | djskidd | I know that |
| 02:18.23 | djskidd | I entered my password wrong |
| 02:18.45 | p_quarles | well, now you've gotten yourself reported |
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| 02:19.13 | djskidd | Who does sudo report these to anyway? |
| 02:19.15 | djskidd | Santa? |
| 02:19.22 | djskidd | xkcd? |
| 02:19.27 | dondelelcaro | djskidd: to root |
| 02:19.34 | djskidd | so like me? |
| 02:19.42 | djskidd | I'm the only user of this machine |
| 02:19.58 | p_quarles | well then you're going to be in big trouble when you find out about this |
| 02:20.00 | dondelelcaro | djskidd: if you have mail set up for root to go to you, yes. |
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| 02:21.05 | djskidd | so I unplugged and replugged the disk and looked at Terminal suring this |
| 02:21.11 | djskidd | *during |
| 02:21.22 | djskidd | and I saw: |
| 02:21.26 | djskidd | nothing |
| 02:21.29 | djskidd | no response |
| 02:21.53 | djskidd | just that the file browser popped up |
| 02:22.12 | p_quarles | again, if you run that command, enter the correct password for root, paste the output on a pastebin, one of us can tell you the exact command to write the image to your USB disk |
| 02:24.00 | djskidd | why is this not working |
| 02:24.20 | djskidd | nothing is showing up when I type my password |
| 02:24.45 | djskidd | and no matter what (my password or not) it says su: Authentication Failed |
| 02:25.15 | p_quarles | not your password; root's password |
| 02:25.25 | djskidd | how do I know what that is? |
| 02:25.32 | p_quarles | and no, it won't echo anything in the terminal, it's still working fine |
| 02:25.44 | p_quarles | you set root password when you installed |
| 02:25.57 | djskidd | I installed through wubi |
| 02:26.05 | p_quarles | then you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:26.30 | djskidd | I am on Ubuntu and want to install Debian along Windows and Ubuntu |
| 02:26.41 | djskidd | Debian for developing |
| 02:26.47 | djskidd | Ubuntu for games |
| 02:26.59 | djskidd | Windows for music/movies/anything like that |
| 02:27.01 | Arafangion | djskidd: Ubuntu for game!? |
| 02:27.17 | djskidd | Minecraft runs better under Ubuntu than Windows |
| 02:27.18 | p_quarles | sure, but this isn't a channel for Ubuntu support, and the problem you're encountering is Ubuntu-specific |
| 02:27.34 | djskidd | So back to #Ubuntu. |
| 02:27.48 | n0sq | strange that debian squeeze doesn't have mkinitrd but i figured out how to use make-kpkg to get a more current kernel installed |
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| 02:28.31 | Arafangion | n0sq: It has mkinitramfs |
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| 02:29.13 | Arafangion | n0sq: And the kp thing will let you create a root disk anyway. |
| 02:29.25 | n0sq | Arafangion: i might try that someday but make-kpkg seems to do a good job of building a new kernel |
| 02:30.12 | n0sq | had to install a newer kernel to get his n1030 wireless card to work |
| 02:30.23 | n0sq | now, i need to find out why i'm getting a missing library message when i try to execute firefox - i think it's a problem with running the 32 bit firefox on a 64 bit OS |
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| 02:33.02 | n0sq | i wonder why the desktop on my new dell xps15 is different than the one on the dell inspiron 600m - both are laptops |
| 02:33.26 | n0sq | both running same kde version |
| 02:36.26 | Arafangion | Different configuration? |
| 02:36.40 | djskidd | K |
| 02:36.47 | djskidd | got the SD* name |
| 02:36.49 | djskidd | http://pastebin.com/8nikrENz |
| 02:36.51 | Arafangion | Also, regarding the firefox thing, what's the missing library? |
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| 02:37.31 | Arafangion | needs to figure out how to tell emacs to load google chrome instead - firefox is too slow. |
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| 02:37.45 | p_quarles | djskidd: the USB card is 4 gigs? correct? |
| 02:37.50 | djskidd | yep |
| 02:37.57 | djskidd | or it was advertised at that |
| 02:38.07 | djskidd | it's "4GB" |
| 02:38.14 | p_quarles | djskidd: cat debianlivediskfilename.iso > /dev/sdc |
| 02:38.27 | djskidd | run in terminal |
| 02:38.35 | p_quarles | just wanted to make sure that was the right disk before you overwrote it :) |
| 02:38.47 | p_quarles | this will remove anything on the USB disk currently, fyi |
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| 02:40.17 | Arafangion | p_quarles: *now* you tell him? ;) |
| 02:40.35 | p_quarles | "Oh, and by the by... ooooh too late" |
| 02:40.39 | djskidd | Permission denied |
| 02:40.47 | Arafangion | Not too late, evidently. |
| 02:41.10 | djskidd | was my result |
| 02:41.15 | p_quarles | needs to be run as root |
| 02:41.27 | djskidd | I am the only user on this |
| 02:41.49 | p_quarles | *sigh* |
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| 02:42.21 | djskidd | Okay, so how do I run this as root? |
| 02:42.53 | p_quarles | Ubuntu handles root differently than Debian does, and that's off-topic here |
| 02:43.12 | Arafangion | Add yourself to the 'disk' group. |
| 02:43.13 | djskidd | Back to #ubuntu! |
| 02:43.25 | p_quarles | Arafangion: that would require root as well :) |
| 02:43.45 | Arafangion | p_quarles: Yes, but it would (arguably) teach good habits. |
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| 02:58.44 | djskidd | holy crap |
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| 02:58.56 | djskidd | looking at the BitTorrent ISO directory |
| 02:59.06 | djskidd | do I really need ALL 50 ISOs? |
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| 03:00.31 | reportingsjr | I have a computer with debian connected via a port-hub to two other computers, and for some reason networkmanager refuses to connect to eth0. Do I have to do anything extra for it to connect so I can set up a lan with the other computers? |
| 03:00.33 | djskidd | come on |
| 03:00.39 | djskidd | do I need all 50? |
| 03:00.45 | djskidd | nvm |
| 03:00.46 | bazhang | no |
| 03:00.51 | djskidd | be back tomorrow |
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| 03:02.33 | Arafangion | djskidd: You barely even need the first... And a good network connection. |
| 03:02.59 | Arafangion | djskidd: Myself, I download the first DVD and use that, since I like to have it installed and setup and everything without a network connection. |
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| 03:10.30 | pzn | my debian6 stopped working. apache pages are being served. can't ssh to machine (ssh -v stops at "entering interactive session"), tty1 asks login and password but after type <enter> at password the screen stays without any anwser. machine is in this state for more than 10 minutes. how to proceed? how to solve? |
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| 03:16.24 | H3ruS | i install debian net install |
| 03:16.31 | H3ruS | but my sound dont work |
| 03:18.13 | acu | H3rus: make sure is on -volume up - if not do a command lspci and see what sound card you have |
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| 03:18.35 | H3ruS | acu i did |
| 03:18.47 | H3ruS | i used debian before |
| 03:18.48 | acu | what is your sound card |
| 03:18.55 | H3ruS | worked perfecly |
| 03:19.05 | H3ruS | but now i installed with net install |
| 03:19.31 | H3ruS | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 06) |
| 03:19.33 | H3ruS | 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 03:19.48 | H3ruS | i install alsa and jack |
| 03:19.49 | acu | it may be but the question is not clear - it does not matter if you did it with netinstall - maybe some non-free drivers are needed - so you need to change the repositories to add contrib non-free |
| 03:20.06 | H3ruS | ok |
| 03:20.16 | H3ruS | acu it worked before |
| 03:20.18 | acu | Oh - I see there is a problem there if I remember right s |
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| 03:20.37 | acu | if you have both there is a problem - but I forgot what exactly it is |
| 03:20.42 | acu | they may conflict |
| 03:20.49 | acu | you can do also a dmesg |
| 03:21.14 | acu | also see the alsa utilities etc - sometimes the sound card is just muted |
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| 03:24.56 | H3ruS | acu: i get \o |
| 03:25.04 | H3ruS | just set on alsamixer |
| 03:25.06 | H3ruS | =D |
| 03:25.57 | acu | H3ruS, what means \o - is working |
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| 03:26.09 | H3ruS | lol |
| 03:26.13 | H3ruS | acu: yes |
| 03:26.23 | acu | good job |
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| 04:30.46 | windows98 | would you guys say that choppy flash playback in full screen is a result of a misconfigured Xorg? |
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| 04:31.53 | somiaj | no its the terrible flash player -- the youtube one is espically bad |
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| 04:32.57 | windows98 | thanks.. its just that when i run Xorg -configure i get errors about fbcon and vmwgfx not existing |
| 04:33.35 | kdawg | high guys |
| 04:33.46 | somiaj | what graphics card do you have? You really should just use a blank xorg.conf windows98 -- it will detect stuff automically that way |
| 04:33.59 | kdawg | code an ovh kernel for debian. be causing the ftp problems i am using |
| 04:34.05 | kdawg | having* |
| 04:34.09 | kdawg | not using |
| 04:34.29 | somiaj | I don't really see why the kernel would effect ftp (provided all the network stuff was working) |
| 04:34.43 | somiaj | could be a crappy network connenction and/or ftp server configuration |
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| 04:35.31 | kdawg | essentially the transfer times out |
| 04:35.45 | kdawg | it doesn't essentially actally start transfering |
| 04:35.49 | somiaj | kdawg: also don't really understand what you mean having a kernel from debian -- what os are you running |
| 04:35.59 | somiaj | kdawg: sounds like a network/router/proxy/ftp config issue |
| 04:36.03 | windows98 | somiaj, i'm not 100% sure, some sort of intel card i think. i have a laptop |
| 04:36.52 | windows98 | somiaj, intel GM965 is what i see listed when i use command lspci |
| 04:36.52 | somiaj | windows98: yea just move the xorg.conf you created and have a blank one. It should detect everything automically. though flashplayer is notorsually bad, and will just be choppy on that card most likely in full screen |
| 04:37.15 | somiaj | windows98: you can use various plugins for your browser to download the vidoes and play them in mplayer/vlc for better preformance |
| 04:37.38 | kdawg | someone was saying something about connection tracking |
| 04:37.39 | windows98 | dang, i didn't have this issue on aptosid. only once i switched to debian testing |
| 04:37.59 | kdawg | the server is not on router or firewall |
| 04:37.59 | somiaj | what is aptosid? |
| 04:37.59 | windows98 | thanks somiaj, i didn |
| 04:38.24 | windows98 | a rolling-release distro based off of debian sid |
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| 04:38.41 | kdawg | other then possibly ovh internal router |
| 04:38.49 | karlpinc | kdawg: If you're behind any sort of firewall you'll want the firewall to proxy ftp. |
| 04:39.06 | kdawg | also these to commands do not work on this box rmmod nf_conntrack_ftp |
| 04:39.17 | windows98 | somiaj, when i start my computer my resolution varies a lot of times, i will have to restart the x server until the resolution lands where i want it. i just don't think this is normal lol |
| 04:39.21 | somiaj | ahh, well I guess you could try to track down the difference in versions. |
| 04:39.38 | kdawg | i am behind a firewall on the filezilla server but other servers do fxp under tls |
| 04:39.42 | somiaj | windows98: yea seems like you have some configuration issues. |
| 04:39.44 | kdawg | to it and from it |
| 04:39.45 | kdawg | but |
| 04:39.52 | kdawg | not the server using vsftpd |
| 04:40.06 | windows98 | somiaj, yes. but if Xorg -configure can't help me, then i don't know what can |
| 04:40.10 | kdawg | althought normal ftp fxp transfers will work |
| 04:40.20 | kdawg | but not encryted transfers |
| 04:40.31 | somiaj | windows98: you should start up x without an xorg.conf file, then read though the log and see what sort of settings it detects. |
| 04:40.37 | kdawg | sorry encyrted fxp transfers |
| 04:40.47 | kdawg | normal transfers work find |
| 04:41.17 | windows98 | ugh... fun stuff.. thanks somiaj my fate is now sealed |
| 04:42.04 | kdawg | i've set both pasv_promiscuous=yes and port_promiscuous=yes |
| 04:42.35 | kdawg | that is apperently all you need for fxp transfers |
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| 04:47.00 | kdawg | i would like to test out going transfers fxp to another ftp server anyone have one i could access temporarily? |
| 04:47.13 | kdawg | just going to try a small test file |
| 04:47.29 | somiaj | many here would suggest against running insecure service as ftp...:P |
| 04:47.36 | kdawg | a .txt file with hello in it |
| 04:48.00 | kdawg | How else would you transfer files from one server to another in effecient manner |
| 04:49.01 | kdawg | also normal fxp would work but not with tls or ssl |
| 04:49.12 | somiaj | sftp over ssh, rsync, scp, etc |
| 04:49.20 | somiaj | most just use openssl |
| 04:51.14 | kdawg | so can you do server to server transfers that way |
| 04:51.27 | kdawg | easily in a drag and drop maner or is a bunch of coding? |
| 04:51.42 | somiaj | well I use it all on the command line, but yes there are graphical sftp/scp clients |
| 04:52.01 | kdawg | sounds like another headache |
| 04:52.51 | kdawg | winscp i don't believe allows you to connect 2 servers at ones |
| 04:53.04 | kdawg | but the program is a pain |
| 04:53.23 | kdawg | and has to many restriction using putty to access my server and work on it es easier then winscp |
| 04:53.35 | kdawg | also winscp transfers are horribly slow |
| 04:54.19 | somiaj | well if your using putty to connect to your server, using pscp, or scp, rsync will just allow that same connenction to be used to transfer files, but you do it form the command line like cp (copy) |
| 04:54.40 | windows98 | hey somiaj, i am still sorting thru debian documentation and such. i was wondering what site would you say has the best info. like say maybe the debian wiki vs the debian documentation project |
| 04:54.41 | kdawg | way to tedius |
| 04:55.08 | windows98 | i hate feeling like im wasting my time reading OLD articles lol |
| 04:55.09 | kdawg | does have data integrity checking? |
| 04:55.40 | kdawg | I hate problems that take forever to fix even if one knows its probably just something stupid |
| 04:55.43 | somiaj | windows98: the wiki seems to be mostly up to date...but I don't use much outside of what comes inside the debian pacakges in /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> and the man pages |
| 04:55.46 | karlpinc | kdawg: Use the fireftp plugin if you want something gui. |
| 04:55.58 | kdawg | i use flashfxp |
| 04:56.17 | somiaj | windows98: but rember the info is mostly for lenny and squeeze (testing/sid is a bit newer and some things have changed) |
| 04:56.24 | karlpinc | kdawg: To do sftp? |
| 04:56.43 | windows98 | awesome, thank you somiaj |
| 04:57.54 | kdawg | oh did i mention the server i am trying to send from is on a windows 7 machine |
| 04:58.02 | peterrooney | is still marvelling that someone would build a distribution off of sid, which is explicitly broken... |
| 04:58.03 | kdawg | don't think you can sftp |
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| 04:58.07 | kdawg | on a windows machine |
| 04:58.25 | karlpinc | kdawg: Sure you can. Use the firefox plugin. |
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| 04:58.43 | kdawg | does sftp work on windows |
| 04:58.58 | karlpinc | kdawg: (There's also putty and a host of proprietary sftp solutions.) |
| 04:58.59 | kdawg | i highly doubt that that windows even has the same terminal access |
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| 04:59.12 | kdawg | as linux |
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| 04:59.26 | kdawg | also flashfxp does sftp |
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| 04:59.45 | kdawg | the problem is how would you connect to a windows machine via sft |
| 04:59.48 | kdawg | sftp |
| 04:59.54 | karlpinc | kdawg: Windows is offtopic here, but yes, putty has a command line sftp client. |
| 04:59.54 | kdawg | doesn't make since to me |
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| 05:00.49 | kdawg | okay your not getting the question at all i think. not trying to be rude but thats not the question i ask a lots ofprograms can connect to sftp client |
| 05:01.00 | kdawg | but other then linux i don't think it's possible |
| 05:02.13 | karlpinc | kdawg: I don't think you're stating the problem clearly. In any case, if you want something entirely transparent then push samba through openvpn. Both samba and openvpn are competely cross platform. |
| 05:04.21 | kdawg | Well essentially you say one can connect a linux based sftp client to a windows based machine. using whatever sftp client that you have. You haven't essentially said that windows has sftp support whether built it or externally download. if yeah did indirectly. |
| 05:05.27 | karlpinc | kdawg: You'll have to go elsewhere to ask about sftp servers for MS products. Undoubtably they exist. |
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| 05:05.37 | somiaj | kdawg: you only need the ssl server on one side. If you already have ssh installed and running on the linux server all you need is a windows scp/sft client. In which case you have already been mentioned more than one. |
| 05:06.16 | kdawg | but the question i have anways rephrase it |
| 05:06.28 | karlpinc | kdawg: You have not said that you've a reqirement that either endpoint be able to initate the connection. |
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| 05:06.41 | kdawg | i am having issues transfering files over fxp to two server running seperate clients but both using incription |
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| 05:07.13 | kdawg | encryption |
| 05:07.21 | kdawg | i could tern of encryption |
| 05:07.28 | kdawg | but lets just say i like my security |
| 05:07.33 | kdawg | fxp works |
| 05:07.40 | karlpinc | kdawg: What is fxp? |
| 05:07.43 | kdawg | when both servers are put in standard ftp mode |
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| 05:07.57 | kdawg | fxp is servertoserver ftp transfers |
| 05:08.11 | kdawg | they work in standard non encrypted |
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| 05:09.04 | karlpinc | kdawg: (No, because one end of a ftp connection is the client and the other is the server. Period. Oh well.) |
| 05:10.21 | kdawg | sorry there is two servers that i am trying to transfer files from |
| 05:10.30 | kdawg | both are servers |
| 05:10.32 | kdawg | period |
| 05:10.36 | RangerMauve | Hey, I just made a debian(sarge) vm and I think I've messed something up during the startup. It's telling me something like "Partition check: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/iun0 and then it's waiting for input. I pressed enter and now I'm getting a bunch of lines saying "hde: ieq timeout: status=0x40 and some other crap |
| 05:10.56 | RangerMauve | Now it just said "Kernel panic: attempted to kill init!" |
| 05:11.02 | kdawg | the client on this machine is flashfxp |
| 05:11.46 | RangerMauve | I think it's frozen. |
| 05:11.58 | kdawg | and it's used to transfer files from ftp servers to this computer or other serversx |
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| 05:13.58 | wols | kdawg: for your connection there must be one of them the client. and that's not your flashfxp warez thing |
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| 05:15.02 | kdawg | But unforunately i'm already late to what i ahve to do this will have to wait till later again. I've actually been working on fixing this exact problem for over a month. reading all types of articles nothing is helping. i've even went to #vsftpd channel the guy there who was trying to help me sort out this problem he things that the ovh internal router seeming to be cause the problem cause it |
| 05:15.02 | kdawg | either can't track it or view it |
| 05:15.02 | kdawg | . |
| 05:15.05 | wols | kdawg: to have a sftp server on windows, use any ssh server you find. finding them is OT |
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| 05:16.17 | kdawg | at this point wols i still trying to get ftp usin secure tls. But will have to do it later since i'm extremely late. |
| 05:17.55 | wols | read the wikipedia entry on fxp. also: sftp is totally the wrong thing since contrary to its name there is nothing whatsoever related to ftp with sftp. only the name |
| 05:18.34 | wols | short answer: you need support for your encryption from both your ftp servers and even then it's insecure. |
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| 05:20.17 | kdawg | Thanks again for either trying to help me or not. i don't no your guys well enough to no if your actually just trying to waste my time or actually help me. Either way have a good night. |
| 05:20.59 | kdawg | i will return |
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| 05:34.05 | mns | anyone know how to disable the touchpad on a ThinkPad, without restarting the X server ? |
| 05:34.54 | somiaj | mns: xset might be able to do so. |
| 05:34.57 | Corey | Isn't there a button for that? |
| 05:35.09 | somiaj | yea many laptops have a hardware button for such a thing |
| 05:35.12 | somiaj | but not all |
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| 05:37.11 | McLovin926 | hey all, I need a bit of help, for some reason I seem to have lost /bin/bash as normal user |
| 05:37.14 | mns | somiaj: thanks I'll try xset. |
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| 05:39.30 | wols | somiaj: no, not for the touchpad. I suggest you hibernate, disable it in BIOS and resume |
| 05:39.50 | wols | McLovin926: define "lost" |
| 05:40.09 | McLovin926 | I cannot run any kind of mash commands from the terminal |
| 05:40.14 | McLovin926 | bash* |
| 05:40.36 | wols | echo $SHELL |
| 05:40.38 | McLovin926 | for instance, I try to run hddtemp and I get command not found |
| 05:40.47 | wols | and echo $PATH |
| 05:41.24 | McLovin926 | still no go |
| 05:41.33 | somiaj | mns: check wols comment to me |
| 05:41.35 | McLovin926 | shell says I have /bin/bash |
| 05:42.04 | McLovin926 | and these are my paths /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 05:42.52 | somiaj | McLovin926: can you run other commands. Some commands are located in /sbin /usr/sbin, which are commands for the system admin. usually suggests you use sudo to run them. |
| 05:42.56 | wols | McLovin926: ldd <file that is not found> |
| 05:43.45 | McLovin926 | I can run a couple, but basic commands like sudo dpkg wont run, inxi works |
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| 05:44.05 | McLovin926 | this isreally strange |
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| 05:44.07 | somiaj | McLovin926: did you recentally upgrade sudo? |
| 05:44.11 | McLovin926 | nope |
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| 05:45.01 | McLovin926 | sudo sensors detect doesn't work |
| 05:45.10 | McLovin926 | err sensors-detect |
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| 05:48.26 | somiaj | McLovin926: it could be your secure_path isn't set correctly in /etc/sudoers file |
| 05:48.43 | somiaj | McLovin926: try sudo /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 05:48.49 | McLovin926 | well, it's not just sudo commands, it's alot of normal commands as well |
| 05:49.24 | McLovin926 | no such file or directory |
| 05:49.36 | McLovin926 | that makes no sense |
| 05:50.30 | somiaj | McLovin926: ls /usr/sbin/sensors-detect -- the file actually there? |
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| 05:50.58 | McLovin926 | yup |
| 05:51.30 | McLovin926 | wait a minute, I don't have any sbin folders in my path |
| 05:51.55 | somiaj | the normal user shouldn't |
| 05:52.02 | amphi | so it works if you specify the full path? |
| 05:52.06 | somiaj | since those are files that should have root primisions |
| 05:52.19 | McLovin926 | it's still doesn't work if I specify that path |
| 05:53.01 | McLovin926 | if I try to run the command with sudo, it says command not found |
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| 05:53.12 | igsen | How can I remove telepathy without removing gnome & gnome desktop? |
| 05:53.58 | McLovin926 | hold on min, I just got this error http://pastebin.com/RkbUEBir |
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| 05:54.42 | somiaj | igsen: gnome-desktop is just a meta pacakge -- telepathy is part of the full package..but the meta pacakges don't do anything except pull in everything assoicated with them |
| 05:54.42 | McLovin926 | but that doesn't explain why commands arent running as a normal user |
| 05:55.22 | somiaj | igsen: do an apt-cache show <pkg name> to see the descriptions of the pieces being removed |
| 05:55.53 | igsen | somiaj:What about gnome? |
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| 05:56.40 | somiaj | igsen: its a meta pacakge, removing it won't remove gnome from your system -- you jsut will no longer have the 'full' gnome suit from debian. it will really just be missing that one thing you want to rmove |
| 05:57.29 | somiaj | McLovin926: you got this with a recent upgrade and used sudo to do the upgrade right? |
| 05:57.44 | igsen | somiaj: So its okay to say yes in aptitude remove prompt? |
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| 05:58.00 | McLovin926 | no, I just did a fresh install of Debian, I wanted to do a custom setup |
| 05:58.11 | McLovin926 | I just compled kernel 3.1-rc4 |
| 05:58.54 | somiaj | igsen: yes, again do an apt-cache show <pkg name> on the packages being removed to see they are meta packages |
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| 05:59.26 | somiaj | McLovin926: what version of debian. again check your sudoers file and makesure secure_path is setup right, there is a bug with that in unstable (and maybe testing) |
| 05:59.43 | McLovin926 | I'm using testing |
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| 06:00.48 | somiaj | hence your problem, add 'Defaults secure_path="/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"' to your sudoers file is my guess |
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| 06:02.30 | McLovin926 | nope, that didn't work |
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| 06:03.06 | McLovin926 | ooooo, there are no paths for my root account |
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| 06:04.49 | McLovin926 | nevermind I was wrong, entered the wrong, root has all the normal paths |
| 06:05.32 | zmotok | hello everyone, I found a bug in debian wheezy and am unsure of where exactly to report it; short description: on wheezy 64 bit, the ia32-libs include the mesa libs (dri,glx,glu) which should have been built from mesa 7.10 sources but somehow they don't include support for sandy bridge ids (in intel_chipset.h) and the result is 32bit apps on 64bit wheezy have no direct rendering (with i965 driver) |
| 06:05.36 | McLovin926 | I wonder if the folder permissions got messed up somehow |
| 06:05.57 | somiaj | zmotok: have you checked the bts |
| 06:06.08 | zmotok | somiaj: yep |
| 06:06.25 | McLovin926 | folder permissions are fine |
| 06:06.28 | zmotok | it's the problem described (so far) only here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67231&p=389706#p389706 |
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| 06:08.35 | McLovin926 | I am stumped here, I did change the .bashrc file in my home folder, but I'm not sure how that would cause these problems |
| 06:08.45 | McLovin926 | all I did was add a couple things to it |
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| 06:13.17 | McLovin926 | something is seriously wrong, I can run anything I want as root, but not as user |
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| 06:15.23 | lembas | Hey guys, any idea why a VPS would say that the / drive is 38GB smaller than it should be (12GB from 50GB) and 100% at 9.5GB used? |
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| 06:16.17 | Corey | lembas: Who's your VPS provider? |
| 06:16.58 | lembas | http://lolihosting.com/ |
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| 06:17.31 | McLovin926 | ok, sudo is working again |
| 06:18.35 | McLovin926 | ok, I think I may have fixed |
| 06:18.43 | boudiccas | lembas; are you using rsnapshot for your backups? |
| 06:18.47 | jmarsden | lembas: If you deleted a lot of files, but some processes still have them open, they still occupy space but other processes (like df and du) cannot "see" the files. Did you delete a pile of big log files that some daemon process still has open, perhaps? |
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| 06:19.34 | lembas | jmarsden, it was right after a reboot that this starting happening. boudiccas, nope |
| 06:20.17 | Corey | lembas: What does uname -a say? |
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| 06:20.52 | lembas | Linux looooofa 2.6.32-238.19.1.el5.028stab092.2 #1 SMP Thu Jul 21 19:23:22 MSD 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:21.00 | lembas | and, du -sh tells me that the disc size is 12GB, when it should be 50GB |
| 06:21.03 | Corey | lembas: They've hosed the OpenVZ/Virtuozzo quota for your container. Call them to fix it. :-) |
| 06:21.56 | lembas | The container says we have 50 GB, though |
| 06:22.01 | boudiccas | lembas; and your vps has modified the kernel you're using, so its not 'true' debian. the giveaway is the word 'stab' in its name |
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| 06:22.28 | Corey | lembas: Yeah, this is a known issue. Call them to resolve it. |
| 06:22.49 | Corey | lembas: There's nothing you (or for that matter, we) can do to fix this. Call your provider, this is why you pay them. |
| 06:23.09 | lembas | Ok, thanks guys. |
| 06:23.21 | boudiccas | lembas; huh! :) |
| 06:24.30 | McLovin926 | thank you for trying to help somiaj |
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| 06:37.36 | shaunsingh14 | Hi |
| 06:37.39 | shaunsingh14 | Anyone home? |
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| 06:37.55 | niman | shaunsingh14: yup :D |
| 06:37.59 | shaunsingh14 | Sweet |
| 06:38.02 | shaunsingh14 | Squeeze FTW |
| 06:38.32 | shaunsingh14 | Although I wish I can say that about Wheezy. |
| 06:38.54 | niman | shaunsingh14: hmmm so ? |
| 06:39.02 | shaunsingh14 | My Ralink RT2870 wireless card doesn't work when I upgraded to Wheezy |
| 06:39.28 | niman | shaunsingh14: hmmm search in wiki.debian.org |
| 06:39.45 | shaunsingh14 | I followed the RT2800USB guilde on the wiki, but so far nothing works, even after I loaded the proper module |
| 06:40.31 | shaunsingh14 | Sans the aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-ralink package. I downloaded it from the package listings and then used dpkg -i to install |
| 06:40.47 | shaunsingh14 | I have an old Sony VAIO laptop that doesn't come with WiF |
| 06:40.54 | shaunsingh14 | *WiFi |
| 06:41.13 | niman | :D ok i think you must compile kernel |
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| 06:42.03 | somiaj | shaunsingh14: what does dmesg say when you pluged in (or about that) wireless usb card |
| 06:42.03 | niman | because if new it must config from kernel test new kernel 3.0.4 |
| 06:42.12 | shaunsingh14 | speaking of kernel, I heard that the rt2870 drivers can't compile properly on kernel versions above 2.6.35 |
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| 06:43.10 | shaunsingh14 | here's what it says:[ 0.144783] PM: Registering ACPI NVS region at 3f590000 (339968 bytes) |
| 06:43.13 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.144783] print_constraints: dummy: |
| 06:43.16 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.144783] NET: Registered protocol family 16 |
| 06:43.18 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.144783] ACPI: bus type pci registered |
| 06:43.21 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.144783] PCI: MMCONFIG for domain 0000 [bus 00-ff] at [mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff] (base 0xe0000000) |
| 06:43.24 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.144783] PCI: MMCONFIG at [mem 0xe0000000-0xefffffff] reserved in E820 |
| 06:43.27 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.144783] PCI: Using MMCONFIG for extended config space |
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| 06:43.29 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.144783] PCI: Using configuration type 1 for base access |
| 06:43.32 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.145174] bio: create slab <bio-0> at 0 |
| 06:43.34 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.145174] ACPI: EC: Look up EC in DSDT |
| 06:43.37 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.151708] ACPI: SSDT 3f5e7800 0022A (v01 PmRef Cpu0Ist 00003000 INTL 20041203) |
| 06:43.40 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.151951] ACPI: Dynamic OEM Table Load: |
| 06:43.43 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.151955] ACPI: SSDT (null) 0022A (v01 PmRef Cpu0Ist 00003000 INTL 20041203) |
| 06:43.46 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.152170] ACPI: SSDT 3f5e7cc0 00152 (v01 PmRef Cpu1Ist 00003000 INTL 20041203) |
| 06:43.50 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.152402] ACPI: Dynamic OEM Table Load: |
| 06:43.52 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.152406] ACPI: SSDT (null) 00152 (v01 PmRef Cpu1Ist 00003000 INTL 20041203) |
| 06:43.56 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.152635] ACPI: Interpreter enabled |
| 06:43.58 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.152642] ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5) |
| 06:44.01 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.152671] ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing |
| 06:44.03 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157576] ACPI: No dock devices found. |
| 06:44.06 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157580] HEST: Table not found. |
| 06:44.08 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157585] PCI: Using host bridge windows from ACPI; if necessary, use "pci=nocrs" and report a bug |
| 06:44.12 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157662] ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (domain 0000 [bus 00-ff]) |
| 06:44.14 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157820] pci_root PNP0A08:00: host bridge window [io 0x0000-0x0cf7] |
| 06:44.17 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157824] pci_root PNP0A08:00: host bridge window [io 0x0d00-0xffff] |
| 06:44.19 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157828] pci_root PNP0A08:00: host bridge window [mem 0x000a0000-0x000bffff] |
| 06:44.23 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157832] pci_root PNP0A08:00: host bridge window [mem 0x000c0000-0x000dffff] |
| 06:44.25 | zapadlo | !pastebin |
| 06:44.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:44.26 | shaunsingh14 | [ 0.157835] pci_root PNP0A08:00: host bridge window [mem 0x3f600000-0xfebfffff] |
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| 06:48.01 | Digdilem | idiot |
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| 06:51.01 | bobweaver | any one up help me with bash script I ask everwhere else but no help |
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| 06:52.24 | somiaj | bobweaver: its not on topic, but if you are going to ask here, just ask. The answer is this is not #bash to that question. |
| 06:52.53 | somiaj | i.e. what do you want the script to do, what have you done so far. |
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| 06:54.50 | bobweaver | somiaj: thanks http://pastebin.com/mpWVbbRi |
| 06:55.18 | bobweaver | http://paste.ubuntu.com/681635/ |
| 06:55.37 | bobweaver | http://paste.ubuntu.com/681636/ |
| 06:55.53 | bobweaver | alacarte 1.desktop |
| 06:55.57 | bobweaver | ^^ |
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| 06:56.33 | bobweaver | line 10 is same in all .desktop |
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| 06:58.26 | bobweaver | so I figure that i should be able to use something like sed or awk to pull the name ot the rename the file from alacarte-1.desktop to Stop Apache.desktop |
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| 06:58.51 | f00li5h | anyone here played with xen, can i fiddle with the domu's config via xen-tools, or will that ruin everything? |
| 07:00.38 | somiaj | bobweaver: grep Name= <file> | sed 's/Name=//' -- does that output the name of the file you want? |
| 07:01.18 | bobweaver | somiaj: I will try |
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| 07:03.23 | somiaj | bobweaver: do you really have a * at the end of all those files in their name? |
| 07:03.35 | bobweaver | yes |
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| 07:04.02 | bobweaver | it is crazy project that I am working on or cleaning up I should say |
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| 07:04.24 | somiaj | bobweaver: ug, well this may work (you just want the file renamed Name.desktop where Name is gotten from the Name= line? |
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| 07:04.40 | bobweaver | yes |
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| 07:04.49 | bobweaver | 100% somiaj |
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| 07:05.08 | jmarsden | bobweaver: try something like cd /whereever-the-files-are ; for i in alacarte*.desktop; do name=$(grep ^Name= "$i"); name=${name/Name=/} ; mv $i "${name}.desktop" ; done |
| 07:05.10 | somiaj | bobweaver: http://paste.debian.net/128325/ (may work, backup that directory and work on a copy) |
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| 07:07.41 | bobweaver | jmarsden: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `grep' |
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| 07:10.18 | jmarsden | bobweaver: You cut and pasted it? It works here for me... I downloaded your sample alacarte file to test with. somiaj's script does the same thing... try it instead, maybe. |
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| 07:10.56 | bobweaver | jmarsden: yes I copy and past |
| 07:11.00 | bobweaver | jmarsden: yes I copy and past e |
| 07:11.22 | bobweaver | you debian folks are great |
| 07:11.35 | bobweaver | thank you so much for the help |
| 07:11.52 | Bushmills | now back to ubuntu :P |
| 07:12.43 | jmarsden | bobweaver: I'm not sure why you see that error, but I don't. Try somiaj's script, and see if it works any better for you. |
| 07:13.02 | somiaj | jmarsden: could it be a shell missmatch? |
| 07:13.03 | bobweaver | \0/ |
| 07:13.13 | bobweaver | most if not all are renamesd |
| 07:13.17 | bobweaver | most if not all are renamed |
| 07:13.25 | bobweaver | well most |
| 07:13.43 | bobweaver | I swich to debian live after this |
| 07:13.59 | somiaj | if they don't have all have a Name= line in them, my script may have undesierable results |
| 07:14.38 | bobweaver | is there a way to test ? |
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| 07:14.44 | jmarsden | somiaj: I'm not sure... you mean bobweaver may not be running bash? |
| 07:15.01 | jmarsden | bobweaver: grep -l ^Name= alacarte*.desktop |
| 07:15.17 | jmarsden | should list the remaining files to be renamed that DO have Name= lines. |
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| 07:15.40 | somiaj | bobweaver: make a copy of that directory and work on the copy....test away |
| 07:15.56 | bobweaver | all true |
| 07:16.18 | bobweaver | I have thanks somiaj |
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| 07:16.41 | bobweaver | I am working in virtual box |
| 07:16.51 | bobweaver | learned lesson befor |
| 07:16.55 | bobweaver | learned lesson before :) |
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| 07:18.03 | jmarsden | bobweaver: Well, if there are just a few alacarte*.desktop files left, you could rename those few by hand to complete the task? Or are there still too many left for that to be reasonable? |
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| 07:18.33 | code8 | Woops, wrong channel. Ew Debian. Gentoo ftw. |
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| 07:18.39 | bobweaver | like a couple hundred |
| 07:18.45 | bobweaver | I got error |
| 07:19.08 | bobweaver | ob@bob:/etc/skel/.local/share/applications$ name=$(grep ^Name= "$i"); name=${name/Name=/} ; mv $i "${name}.desktop" ; |
| 07:19.08 | bobweaver | grep: : No such file or directory |
| 07:19.08 | bobweaver | mv: missing destination file operand after `.desktop' |
| 07:19.08 | bobweaver | Try `mv --help' for more information |
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| 07:19.41 | bobweaver | I ahve to put the dir after it ? |
| 07:19.51 | somiaj | hmm, can't seem to figure out how to get vlc to display "Artits - Song" instead of just "Song" in its display |
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| 07:20.13 | bobweaver | ${name}.desktop" then path ; ?? |
| 07:20.13 | especially-corn | hello |
| 07:20.20 | especially-corn | i'm interested in the debian live project |
| 07:20.28 | especially-corn | can anyone tell me where i can find the debian live testing images? |
| 07:20.28 | somiaj | bobweaver: you might need to write it as mv "$i" "${name}.desktop" |
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| 07:20.43 | bobweaver | ok |
| 07:20.50 | bobweaver | man you guys ROCK |
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| 07:25.44 | bobweaver | ok I am getting real close |
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| 07:26.35 | bobweaver | /etc/skel/.local/share/applications# name=$(grep ^Name= "$i"); name=${name/Name=/} ; mv $i /etc/skel/.local/share/applications/ "${name}.desktop"; |
| 07:26.36 | bobweaver | grep: : No such file or directory |
| 07:26.36 | bobweaver | mv: cannot move `/etc/skel/.local/share/applications/' to a subdirectory of itself, `.desktop' |
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| 07:27.05 | somiaj | try /usr/bin/grep instead of grep |
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| 07:28.24 | jmarsden | somiaj: seems unlikely, since it worked for most files using grep... but OK. |
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| 07:29.01 | jmarsden | bobweaver: You might want to put echo just before the mv and pastebin what it outputs for us to look at. |
| 07:29.15 | bobweaver | sure |
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| 07:30.06 | jmarsden | somiaj: I am wondering if a file has a Name= line which is just that... no name after the Name= ... |
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| 07:32.29 | bobweaver | http://paste.debian.net/128326/ |
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| 07:33.58 | bobweaver | here I is log http://paste.debian.net/128327/ |
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| 07:35.19 | jmarsden | Um... where is the for loop ... that looks like you left out half of what I suggested?? Let me try again... |
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| 07:35.59 | jmarsden | for i in alacarte*.desktop; do name=$(grep ^Name= "$i"); name=${name/Name=/} ; echo mv $i "${name}.desktop" ; done |
| 07:36.08 | jmarsden | for i in alacarte*.desktop; do name=$(grep ^Name= "$i"); name=${name/Name=/} ; echo mv "$i" "${name}.desktop" ; done |
| 07:36.16 | somiaj | jmarsden: I also think the files have a * at the end of them, so its desktop\* |
| 07:36.23 | jmarsden | rather, to add the extra "" around $i that somiaj suggested |
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| 07:37.27 | jmarsden | somiaj: That would be weird... more likely he has ls aliased to ls -F and it shows * because they are executable ? |
| 07:37.53 | somiaj | jmarsden: ahh, that makes more sense. I was suprised they had that character there. |
| 07:38.08 | somiaj | jmarsden: but when I asked if there is really a '*' at the end of the file names, he said yes. |
| 07:38.26 | jmarsden | He did ls and that is what it showed... I think. |
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| 07:50.11 | f00li5h | how would I go about having my debian box only answer dhcp from the xen domu's it's running? |
| 07:50.43 | wols | only allow dhcp to run on the interface facing your xen domus |
| 07:50.56 | f00li5h | shit, a helpful answer! |
| 07:50.58 | f00li5h | wols: tell me more |
| 07:51.49 | wols | on which interfaces is your dhcp currently listening and what interfaces are there? |
| 07:52.10 | f00li5h | my dhcp is coming from the machine I intend to replace with this machine |
| 07:53.13 | f00li5h | eth0, lo and peth0 are the ones I have |
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| 07:53.38 | wols | so make it listen on peth0 only |
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| 08:03.22 | aidalgol | Do you still need packages from experimental to install Gnome3? |
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| 08:04.04 | somiaj | aidalgol: are you on debian stable? |
| 08:04.28 | aidalgol | somiaj: Yes, but I'm going to upgrade to testing this week. |
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| 08:04.46 | somiaj | aidalgol: best of luck to you. |
| 08:05.57 | aidalgol | Why, does this usually end badly? |
| 08:07.07 | somiaj | aidalgol: Can you downgrade a package that is broken. Do you have the ability to read though bug reports to find fixes. |
| 08:07.25 | somiaj | aidalgol: it works until it doesn't. Once it doesn't work you have to fix it. |
| 08:07.40 | aidalgol | somiaj: I was using testing until squeeze was frozen, so I should be fine. |
| 08:08.07 | aidalgol | I'm quite competent with the package manager, commandline, etc. |
| 08:08.13 | somiaj | aidalgol: but Id on't use gnome so unsure how much of it is still in experimental. But its beging to filter into sid |
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| 08:08.49 | aidalgol | I wish there was some information on its status on the wiki. |
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| 08:09.47 | somiaj | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html (first google hit) |
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| 08:10.24 | aidalgol | I saw that, but I couldn't tell how up-to-date it is. |
| 08:10.58 | somiaj | aidalgol: did you read the whole page -- Generated: 2011-09-04 07:32:52 +0000 on ravel.debian.org by fpeters |
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| 08:11.25 | aidalgol | somiaj: Oh, geez! Sorry! :S |
| 08:11.46 | aidalgol | So, does yellow mean you *need* experimental to install Gnome 3, or only if you want the latest upstream version? |
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| 08:12.08 | somiaj | aidalgol: no offense intended. Just pointing out where the info was so next time you look a bit harder. (: |
| 08:12.23 | somiaj | aidalgol: yes if you want the stuff in yellow, you need experimental sources |
| 08:12.50 | f00li5h | wols: which dhcpd should I run? |
| 08:14.14 | aidalgol | Er, rather do any Gnome3 packages in sid depend on packages in experimental. :P |
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| 08:15.46 | wols | f00li5h: I suggest dnsmasq |
| 08:16.06 | f00li5h | what is? |
| 08:16.45 | amphi | apt-cache show dnsmasq |
| 08:16.56 | f00li5h | can i make it talk to ldap too? |
| 08:16.59 | f00li5h | it already sound ssexy |
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| 08:27.44 | especially-corn | hello |
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| 08:29.40 | especially-corn | is there any way to upgrade from debian squeeze to debian wheezy? |
| 08:29.53 | especially-corn | i tried modifying the sources but that got me into a lot of trouble |
| 08:30.06 | rozie | yes, there is. try to read release notes |
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| 08:30.27 | rozie | it's almost the same each time |
| 08:30.37 | especially-corn | ? |
| 08:30.44 | somiaj | especially-corn: what exctally did you do...what trouble did you get into? |
| 08:31.07 | somiaj | especially-corn: i.e. what commands did you run after you changed your sources.list file |
| 08:31.12 | rozie | edit sources, apt-get update, apt-get install apt, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:31.20 | especially-corn | somiaj, well, i installed debian wheezy, i copied the sources file to my squeeze installation |
| 08:31.22 | rozie | (long story short) |
| 08:31.41 | especially-corn | and once i had the wheezy sources.list in my squeeze i did a aptitude update |
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| 08:31.45 | especially-corn | and aptittude dist-upgrade |
| 08:31.53 | especially-corn | i also tried safe-upgrade |
| 08:31.56 | especially-corn | but same thing happened |
| 08:31.58 | rozie | and remember, it's testing. no guarantee for painless upgrade |
| 08:32.15 | somiaj | especially-corn: and what happened? |
| 08:32.22 | ompaul | especially-corn: it is not a release, yrt. |
| 08:32.25 | rozie | especially-corn: don't use aptitude. apt-get was recommended for upgrade lenny->squeeze |
| 08:32.30 | ompaul | especially-corn: it is not a release, yet. |
| 08:32.38 | especially-corn | somiaj, after all the packages were downloaded |
| 08:32.54 | especially-corn | i started getting mad terminal behaviour |
| 08:32.56 | somiaj | especially-corn: I'm trying to get you to paste the error at paste.debian.net |
| 08:33.05 | especially-corn | it would just say something like "concatenating" something in some file |
| 08:33.19 | especially-corn | i would get that message hundereds of times per second |
| 08:33.32 | boudiccas | exaggeration! |
| 08:33.37 | especially-corn | if i would try to stop the terminal to copy the error the error would already clear up |
| 08:33.45 | especially-corn | since it was going so fast |
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| 08:35.55 | especially-corn | do you want me to make a screenshot of it? |
| 08:36.08 | especially-corn | since i can't stop the terminal fast enough to copy the message |
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| 08:38.20 | somiaj | yes error messages are useful. |
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| 08:40.50 | g3oM1 | hi guys is there any guide on how to install wine on debian testing? |
| 08:41.08 | boudiccas | g3oM1; apt-get install wine |
| 08:41.18 | somiaj | g3oM1: what do you mean? DO you want a version that is newer than the one inside of testing? |
| 08:41.21 | zapadlo | boudiccas Wine isn't in Testing. |
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| 08:41.39 | zapadlo | !jud wine |
| 08:41.52 | g3oM1 | E: Package 'wine' has no installation candidate |
| 08:41.57 | g3oM1 | on testing |
| 08:41.58 | boudiccas | !judd wine |
| 08:41.58 | dpkg | boudiccas, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
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| 08:42.14 | boudiccas | judd wine |
| 08:42.18 | boudiccas | ,judd wine |
| 08:42.31 | boudiccas | sod it |
| 08:42.34 | zapadlo | :) |
| 08:42.39 | zapadlo | .judd wine |
| 08:42.58 | especially-corn | ok somiaj but it will take a while |
| 08:43.01 | ompaul | .versions wine |
| 08:43.24 | ompaul | ,versions wine |
| 08:43.25 | judd | Package wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.0.1-3.3; experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
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| 08:43.55 | somiaj | g3oM1: I'd say either follow the instructions from '/msg dpkg ssbp' and make yourself a backport of the sids or experimentials source. Or grab the source from winehq.org and compile it yourself. You can get version 1.2 or 1.3 that way |
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| 08:44.26 | somiaj | g3oM1: if you compile the upstream source. just use 'make install' and putting it in /usr/local is just fine. Note keep the source around so you can 'make uninstall' it later. |
| 08:44.27 | zapadlo | http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ has the .deb packages. |
| 08:44.49 | g3oM1 | ok thanx guys |
| 08:44.58 | ompaul | and if you do package yourself be aware that you have to track the package for security issues yourself |
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| 08:45.34 | bobweaver | wow this channel is amazing |
| 08:45.49 | somiaj | ompaul: not like he has any security support in testing in the first place. |
| 08:46.33 | ompaul | somiaj: let's say it is not active, but if it is being packaged then most likely people who are doing that are similarly looking at security, for example see bind recently |
| 08:46.59 | ompaul | somiaj: it happens just not as actively |
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| 08:49.30 | bobweaver | so there are a bunch of people on this channel that have been using linux for a while |
| 08:49.42 | bobweaver | I am a newbie started in frb |
| 08:49.50 | bobweaver | I am a newbie started in feb* |
| 08:50.06 | ompaul | bobweaver: given it has been around since 1992 it kind of has a few users here and there |
| 08:50.12 | ompaul | 1991 even |
| 08:50.21 | ompaul | slaps the hand of typo |
| 08:50.50 | bobweaver | ehh fat fingers <--------it happens |
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| 08:51.58 | bobweaver | I am going to learn how to use debian live in the next 4 months I think that is is going to be fun! any advice ? |
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| 08:52.16 | bobweaver | or dont do's |
| 08:53.05 | somiaj | what do y ou mean by use debian live? |
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| 08:53.24 | bolt | !live |
| 08:53.24 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 08:53.59 | especially-corn | bobweaver, don't mount all partitions in /media and then rm -rf /media |
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| 08:54.18 | simonlnu | don't mix stable and testing |
| 08:54.27 | simonlnu | do have fun |
| 08:54.46 | bobweaver | simonlnu: thanks I will make sure to do that |
| 08:55.16 | bobweaver | especially-corn: you make me chuckle |
| 08:55.25 | bobweaver | :) |
| 08:55.49 | bolt | hm.. I put XAUTHORITY="${TMP}/.Xauthority" in my .bash_login. this is obviously soon enough for when I run "startx", but when I use "ssh -X" to the box, it tells me it can't lock "/home/bolt/.Xauthority". can I somehow get it set sooner? |
| 08:55.50 | especially-corn | well, you shouldn't do it :P |
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| 08:56.21 | simonlnu | bolt: uh, why in TMP ? |
| 08:56.26 | loxs | in xfce and gnome (wheezy), when I open keyboard settings, buttons to add another layout are disabled. What package do I need to install? |
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| 08:56.52 | bolt | simonlnu: it just needs to be wherever other than my home directory, which is a network mount used by several machines |
| 08:57.07 | bolt | i don't want each machine writing temp files there |
| 08:57.13 | simonlnu | yeh, but it doesn't look there, hence error |
| 08:57.23 | bolt | that i noticed |
| 08:57.56 | bolt | so my question is how to get the XAUTHORITY variable set soon enough |
| 08:58.08 | simonlnu | in .xsession ? |
| 08:58.10 | simonlnu | g'night good luck |
| 08:58.14 | bolt | ... |
| 08:58.46 | bolt | .xsession does not run before .bash_login when you do "ssh -X" to somewhere. it doesn't run at all, in fact |
| 08:59.31 | xingu | bolt: sshd_config(5): AcceptEnv |
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| 09:00.30 | bolt | ah. that might work |
| 09:00.32 | bolt | thanks :) |
| 09:01.39 | somiaj | looks like its paired with SendEnv in ssh_config bolt so you can send it |
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| 09:03.13 | bobweaver | is there way to grep out a ls by its permissions ? |
| 09:03.29 | bolt | you should never parse ls in a shell script |
| 09:03.33 | bolt | use find or something |
| 09:03.57 | bobweaver | bolt: why is that? |
| 09:04.10 | bobweaver | I am new please bare with me |
| 09:04.22 | bolt | no problem |
| 09:04.28 | bolt | but read this if you wonder: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 09:04.50 | bobweaver | thanks |
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| 09:06.04 | somiaj | bobweaver: still trying to do the same thing? |
| 09:06.31 | bobweaver | kinda, I am now setting all permissions |
| 09:06.42 | bobweaver | then I re-build menu |
| 09:06.48 | bobweaver | with the right names |
| 09:07.24 | bobweaver | could you image lol debian live and in are servers is all thouse weired names :) |
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| 09:09.47 | collentine | hi, getting a crazy error message when using 'apt-get'. Anyone with time to take a look? http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/1189 |
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| 09:10.07 | collentine | debian based 64bit system |
| 09:10.12 | flock-_ | Hello. during the night my / become full and sql can't connect. What can cause it become full? Thank you |
| 09:10.32 | flock-_ | ( /dev/md1 9.7G 9.7G 0 100% / ) |
| 09:11.05 | somiaj | flock-_: many things...you have to locate the files that filled it up |
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| 09:11.26 | somiaj | flock-_: once you find the files you can begin to deduce what put them there. Logs can also be useful to look though. |
| 09:11.26 | bolt | flock-_: check where the space went? |
| 09:11.40 | bolt | flock-_: "du -sh /var/log" might be a good start |
| 09:12.50 | flock-_ | how can I do a cleanup on the logs? |
| 09:12.56 | flock-_ | they're using almost 2GB |
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| 09:13.12 | bolt | "rm" |
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| 09:13.35 | bolt | also, figure out which ones got so large, and set up log rotation, automatic deletion, sending to somewhere else etc |
| 09:13.41 | bolt | ..or just get a bigger hard drive :) |
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| 09:17.11 | flock-_ | I was reading the login bolt |
| 09:17.21 | flock-_ | during all night had a message like this one |
| 09:17.22 | flock-_ | DNS format error from 65.55.37.62#53 resolving hotmai.com/MX for client 127.0.0.1#40672: invalid response |
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| 09:18.05 | bolt | so something is continously trying to send email through a misspelled hotmail server? |
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| 09:19.21 | Digdilem | or it's coming from a hotmai.com and addressed to 127.0.0.1 (ie spam) and the MTA can't resolve so bouncing |
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| 09:20.29 | flock-_ | How can I change the default port to connect SSH ? |
| 09:20.32 | Digdilem | ip and domains are both ms though, so maybe not spam |
| 09:20.56 | Digdilem | flock-_, /etc/sshd/sshd_config or something there. change port line, restart sshd |
| 09:20.59 | bolt | flock-_: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 09:21.02 | bolt | damn |
| 09:21.19 | Digdilem | sorry :) |
| 09:21.23 | Digdilem | at least you got the path right |
| 09:21.30 | bolt | heh |
| 09:21.44 | zappal | flock-_: then use the -p <port> option like ssh -p 9922 user@x.x.x.x |
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| 09:21.57 | bolt | flock-_: make sure any firewalls, routers or other things in the way allow that port through first though |
| 09:22.04 | bolt | flock-_: or you'll lock yourself out if you're remote |
| 09:22.27 | f00li5h | is it safe to mount my package cache on several virtual machines? |
| 09:22.43 | bolt | probably not |
| 09:22.49 | f00li5h | -_- |
| 09:23.03 | f00li5h | troublesome. |
| 09:23.17 | bolt | or, if you're the only one using it, perhaps |
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| 09:23.26 | bolt | but if two machines were to download the same package at the same time... |
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| 09:23.39 | bolt | no idea what that would do |
| 09:23.56 | f00li5h | why would they do that? |
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| 09:25.23 | bolt | f00li5h: well, if you wanted to install the same package on several machines and you told them to? |
| 09:25.46 | bolt | f00li5h: or if you're not the only one using it, and someone else wanted to install the same..... (insert above line) |
| 09:26.13 | bolt | f00li5h: you might want to look at creating a local repository and disabling the cache or something instead |
| 09:26.31 | f00li5h | disable cache, then i'd have to have a mirror |
| 09:26.38 | bolt | that's what i said |
| 09:26.46 | bolt | or, tried to, anyway |
| 09:27.00 | jelly-home | f00li5h: use a caching proxy or a local mirror, yes |
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| 09:29.27 | f00li5h | will debootstrap set that up, by chance? |
| 09:31.08 | jelly-home | negative |
| 09:31.12 | flock-_ | I believe that was something related with mail log file, it good a big difference from yesterday |
| 09:31.24 | flock-_ | anything I can do with postfix to fix it? |
| 09:31.24 | jelly-home | you can choose a preexisting proxy though |
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| 09:31.59 | f00li5h | hmm |
| 09:32.09 | f00li5h | apt-cacher! |
| 09:32.35 | jelly-home | or apt-cacher-ng |
| 09:32.39 | jelly-home | or squid |
| 09:32.45 | jelly-home | !apt-proxy |
| 09:32.46 | krasnozer | during install i had to skip repository selection because i had no network, how do i fix this ? |
| 09:32.46 | dpkg | apt-proxy is a caching proxy for <apt>. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 for more information. http://apt-proxy.sf.net/ Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #576821. For alternatives, ask me about <apt-cacher>, <apt-cacher-ng>, <squid deb caching>, <approx>. |
| 09:33.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell krasnozer -about squeeze sources.list |
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| 09:34.50 | f00li5h | am i reading that right? |
| 09:34.57 | f00li5h | the bug report is that ... the software has bugs? |
| 09:35.13 | bolt | ? |
| 09:35.30 | bolt | ah |
| 09:35.31 | f00li5h | the bug listed in dpkg's message just now |
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| 09:36.55 | jelly-home | f00li5h: use one of the alternatives |
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| 09:36.59 | f00li5h | apt-proxy is python, and broken seems to be what ticket #460338 |
| 09:37.22 | bobweaver | flock-_: you might allready know this but there is a handy program called bleachbit for removing logs and other stuff |
| 09:37.52 | f00li5h | jelly-home: what does -ng stand for? |
| 09:38.09 | inedit | how can I disable the internet conectivity of one program? is it possible? (like cpulimit but in terms of internet) |
| 09:39.02 | krasnozer | i know how to edit the sourcelist, but is there a way to get back to the reposiotry selection step so i dont have to hunt for urls online ? |
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| 09:42.33 | cityLights | hi all |
| 09:42.44 | cityLights | I am using network manager |
| 09:42.45 | f00li5h | jelly-home: is there any reason to not pick squid? |
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| 09:43.09 | krasnozer | and if there isnt, why is the debian netinstall so broken ? |
| 09:43.13 | cityLights | I seek to set a static IP addr for wlan0 as I am running hostapd from it |
| 09:43.21 | cityLights | how to do this? |
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| 09:45.25 | ypcs | f00li5h: ng = new generation :) |
| 09:45.52 | f00li5h | sounds like it should just be a second branch |
| 09:46.01 | f00li5h | that is, the same package, but rev2 |
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| 09:46.38 | skilz | cityLights, iwconfig wlan0 ip.address. |
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| 10:00.19 | satellit_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 10:04.33 | vyadhaka | how to reset all system wide fonts back to defaults |
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| 10:13.01 | skilz | cooL__girL_Asik is a spam/adverstising bot |
| 10:13.06 | skilz | so is Rich |
| 10:13.12 | skilz | !ban please |
| 10:13.13 | dpkg | methinks ban is a way of getting rid of annoying pests, especially trolls |
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| 10:14.11 | Black_Prince | !ops cooL__girL_Asik and Rich are autogreeting with some porn links |
| 10:14.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: black_prince complains about: cooL__girL_Asik and Rich are autogreeting with some porn links |
| 10:14.23 | Black_Prince | that was fast |
| 10:14.48 | skilz | haha |
| 10:15.03 | skilz | :) |
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| 10:15.38 | skilz | I went straight to the source |
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| 10:21.08 | vyadhaka | what is the difference between the virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-4.1? |
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| 10:25.06 | p_quarles | vyadhaka: ose == open source edition; doesn't have all features, contains no proprietary licensed software |
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| 10:25.29 | inedit | \quit |
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| 10:25.35 | p_quarles | the non-ose package adds some useful stuff and some non-free licenses |
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| 10:35.14 | vyadhaka | p_quarles: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads, I am following this to install the latest version. how do I look up all the dependencies, recommended, and suggested packages for virtualbox-4.1 |
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| 10:36.34 | vyadhaka | p_quarles: tried apt-cache showpkg virtualbox-4.1, does not list all the recommended pkgs |
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| 10:49.11 | carrera | Greetings! :) |
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| 10:52.44 | ompaul | vyadhaka: have you non-free enabled in your sources? |
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| 10:54.31 | aypea[2] | grumnvles at the synaptic driver not giving him touchies |
| 10:56.03 | vyadhaka | ompaul: yes, pt-cache show virtualbox-4.1 gave me what I was looking for. Is there a way to pull in suggested pkgs as well. aptitude -r install virtualbox-4.1 only installs the dependencies and recommended pkgs not suggested ones like the guest additions. |
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| 11:03.55 | jmd | Why are there sooo many packages in an orphaned state? |
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| 11:07.42 | nkuttler | jmd: because you don't volunteer to maintain them? |
| 11:08.31 | jmd | I wish I had the time for them all... |
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| 11:09.35 | simbar | hehe |
| 11:09.59 | valdyn | jmd: debian has a huge number of packages that are used by not more than a handful of people..., a good portion should probably stay orphaned |
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| 11:11.35 | jmd | valdyn: I guess that's true - there are also a lot of packages which aren't officially orphaned, but haven't been touched for months/years even after upstream has released several versions. |
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| 11:12.14 | valdyn | jmd: yea, thats more of a problem |
| 11:12.19 | nkuttler | jmd: sounds like you should open a ticket |
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| 11:12.51 | vyadhaka | how does guest additions for virtual box work, do they get downloaded along with the package or does it have to be downloaded separately |
| 11:12.57 | jmd | nkuttler: A ticket? Is that different from a bug report or just a euphemism for one? |
| 11:13.18 | loxs | so, currently it's impossible to install nvidia drivers from sid repos? nvidia-glx depends on xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, which depends on xorg-video-abi-10 which isn't there |
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| 11:13.56 | nkuttler | vyadhaka: you install them inside the virtualbox |
| 11:14.10 | nkuttler | loxs: welcome to unstable |
| 11:14.43 | loxs | nkuttler, thanks, but what do we do now? |
| 11:15.06 | vyadhaka | nkuttler: yes, but what I want to know is guest additions ISO, does it get downloaded along with virtualbox-4.1 or do I have to download it separately |
| 11:15.23 | th0r | vyadhaka: it is part of virtualbox |
| 11:16.13 | vyadhaka | th0r: thank you |
| 11:16.18 | th0r | vyadhaka: there is, I believe, an extension pack that has to be downloaded separately. |
| 11:16.32 | th0r | vyadhaka: but the guest extensions is inclluded with virtualbox |
| 11:16.55 | vyadhaka | ok, what does the extension pack do? |
| 11:17.12 | th0r | vyadhaka: I don't recall offhand. |
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| 11:17.40 | nkuttler | loxs: you should install stable and everything you need. then, if you really must, upgrade |
| 11:18.14 | vyadhaka | also whats the best way to move VMs from a ubuntu system to debian. do I just copy the config folders? |
| 11:18.33 | loxs | nkuttler, that's what I did. installed stable, then I saw chromium 6 (wtf?), then upgraded to testing, there I see I can't use wine... so here I'm now in unstable |
| 11:18.47 | th0r | vyadhaka: it is called Oracle VM Virtualbox Extension Pack and is generic, it is installed by virtualbox, so isn't a deb fild |
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| 11:23.26 | jelly-home | vyadhaka: sounds like a question for your VM vendor |
| 11:24.49 | th0r | vyadhaka: all you really need to move a vm to another machine is the .vdi file. |
| 11:26.10 | amoe | hey, is there any way I can configure apt so that 'dist-upgrade' always keeps my installed conffiles, without prompting me? |
| 11:26.27 | amoe | I know the risks of doing so... |
| 11:27.29 | vyadhaka | th0r: ok, is it that simple! so no need for the xml files? |
| 11:28.16 | th0r | vyadhaka: if you move everything I think it will save you having to redefine each vm in virtualbox, but all you really need is the .vdi. In fact, there are archives of .vdi files available on the net |
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| 11:29.58 | vyadhaka | th0r: I need the exact same vdi thats on my ubuntu system, its a virtual copy of my last windows physical system, cool I will copy the vdi file and see what happens |
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| 11:30.50 | th0r | vyadhaka: right. Just define a new windows xp vm in virtualbox, and when it starts tallking about the hard drive point it to the vdi file instead of creating a new drive. |
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| 11:32.21 | vyadhaka | th0r: thanks, you saved me a lot of time. |
| 11:32.39 | th0r | vyadhaka: and, of course, always work with a copy of the vdi....just in case |
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| 11:35.07 | vyadhaka | th0r: before installing over an existing system I have a habit of converting them to virtual machines, I did not use virtualbox since it was ver 3, really appreciate your help |
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| 11:37.18 | th0r | vyadhaka: no problem. You might copy the entire Virtualbox VM folder, just to be safe. And when you define the new vm in ubuntu, use the same name as the old so the .vdi filename matches |
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| 11:40.13 | skilz | Anyone know somethere where I can write in my terminal 'google foo' and it shows top five links? |
| 11:40.28 | skilz | Some kind of app/script |
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| 11:44.18 | valdyn | !google test |
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| 11:44.25 | valdyn | not here! |
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| 12:00.51 | sollux_ | hi guys, having some issues with wireless in squeeze armel. I can connect to unsecured wireless networks using iwconfig, but wpa_supplicant always throws errors regarding association. install was a little out of the ordinary, insofaras having to use the QEMU emulator to run the installer, instead of my target platform. this means that eth0 USED to be QEMU's built in card, but now points to the wireless device. I'm reasonably sure th |
| 12:01.07 | sollux_ | is there anything in userland that could be causing issues for wpa_supplicant? |
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| 12:02.39 | djura-san | /o/ |
| 12:03.02 | roe | is there no xorg.conf anymore? |
| 12:03.15 | roe | how am I supposed to configure my multi-monitors? |
| 12:03.28 | sollux_ | roe: not as such, it tends to be autodetected when X comes up, but you may still create one to override this. |
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| 12:13.02 | fenugreek | roe: what graphics device/driver do you use? |
| 12:13.12 | roe | I just m-a'ed nvidia |
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| 12:13.54 | fenugreek | k |
| 12:14.00 | roe | but I"m not sure if it is actually using it or if it is still using nouveou |
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| 12:14.13 | fenugreek | nvidia's utils will give you a xorg.conf |
| 12:14.14 | roe | (as there is no xorg.conf) |
| 12:14.51 | fenugreek | nvidia-xconfig and/or nvidia-settings |
| 12:15.12 | roe | X has come a long way since potato |
| 12:17.03 | wols | if there is no xorg.conf then no nvidia drivers are used |
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| 12:22.55 | zophy | where is the .config file for my debian linux kernel ? |
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| 12:23.33 | jelly-home | zophy: /boot/config* |
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| 12:24.24 | zophy | jelly-home, ah, righto, tnx |
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| 12:24.42 | roe | fenugreek, thanks for the pointer, I'm back the way I should be now |
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| 12:41.03 | dob1 | hi, there is some tool that can do an update from lilo to grub? |
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| 12:41.52 | fenugreek | dob1: yes, GRUB |
| 12:42.21 | dob1 | fenugreek: what you mean? it can read lilo.conf and generate menu.lst? |
| 12:42.22 | fenugreek | more specifically 'grub-install', or 'grub' |
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| 12:42.37 | fenugreek | oh you want a painless conversion of confs |
| 12:42.47 | fenugreek | what all have you got in your lilo conf? |
| 12:42.50 | dob1 | fenugreek: if it is possible |
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| 12:44.33 | fenugreek | what all have you got in your lilo conf? |
| 12:45.03 | dob1 | fenugreek: this is my lilo.conf http://pastebin.com/Rgm5g5RS |
| 12:45.24 | Burns | Well I'm thinking of FTP+SSL but i'm not sure if its really secure |
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| 12:46.05 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 12:47.29 | dob1 | Burns: it is not better sftp ? |
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| 12:48.16 | FabTG | hi everyone |
| 12:48.26 | FabTG | i'm looking for backports for lenny |
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| 12:48.48 | wols | !backports |
| 12:48.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 12:49.08 | wols | FabTG: backports.debian.org has them |
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| 12:49.56 | fenugreek | dob1: never actually used LILO, it's been deprecated longer than I've used Linux (which is not a completely inconsiderable time) |
| 12:50.44 | FabTG | wols, well this line: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main doesn't work as I apt-get update |
| 12:51.10 | daemonkeeper | There is no backports.org anymore |
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| 12:51.23 | wols | !tell FabTG about doesn't work |
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| 12:51.42 | wols | FabTG: and you should read the URL I gave you, yes |
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| 12:55.34 | FabTG | wols: well, i get this error, when I apt-get update: W: Impossible de récupérer http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages 301 Moved Permanently [IP : 206.12.19.9 80] |
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| 12:56.52 | valdyn | FabTG: the proper line for your sources.list is at http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 13:02.24 | w0f | question, if i've got an etch system and use a lenny repo in sources.list, then upgrade, will it work or screw the OS u |
| 13:02.54 | FabTG | valdyn: I had sh.. in the eyes, thanks for your help |
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| 13:06.34 | home-alone | hi... what is best video editor for debian and how to install libre office from backports ( i am a new user) |
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| 13:13.25 | home-alone | hi... what is best video editor for debian and how to install libre office from backports ( i am a new user) |
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| 13:16.34 | rudi_s | !tell home-alone about backports |
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| 13:17.10 | home-alone | rudi_s, what is best video editor for linux |
| 13:17.30 | valdyn | !tell home-alone -about repeat |
| 13:17.42 | rudi_s | home-alone: I don't know, never used one. |
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| 13:19.42 | amoe | home-alone: it depends what you need |
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| 13:20.14 | amoe | if you need simple stuff like splitting, avidemux works fine for me |
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| 13:20.47 | home-alone | amero, i need a simple one , how do i uninstall libreoffice which i installed manually . i want to install it from backports now |
| 13:21.42 | amoe | home-alone: try avidemux, and if it doesn't meet your needs try kino/cineralla/etc |
| 13:22.40 | amoe | home-alone: uninstalling a manually installed libreoffice probably means finding all the files it installed and removing them manually |
| 13:22.51 | amoe | unless they provide some uninstaller script |
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| 13:23.12 | amoe | I'm not sure where the libreoffice installer puts itself, presumably /usr/local or /opt/libreoffice |
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| 13:35.21 | mac7 | hi, I try to unzip a file with fcrackzip but how to use it, can someone help? |
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| 13:37.38 | Vengativo | ALQUIEN CONTESTAME AHORAMISMO! |
| 13:37.48 | Vengativo | POR QUÉ FUI VETADO DE #GAYGEEKS? |
| 13:37.58 | Vengativo | NADIE EN TODO EL SERVIDOR ME PUEDE EXPLICAR ESO! |
| 13:38.05 | Vengativo | HE PREGUNTADO EN #FREENODE |
| 13:38.14 | Vengativo | PERO LOS PUTOS RACISTAS DE MIERDA NO ME QUIEREN AYUDAR! |
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| 13:40.10 | amoe | wha |
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| 13:41.11 | joltcan | mac7: on the homepage, http://cvs.schmorp.de/fcrackzip/fcrackzip.html, it gives an example, like "fcrackzip -c a -p aaaaaa sample.zip" to test for 6 chars lowercase passwords. Google ftw! |
| 13:42.55 | mac7 | joltcan: wonderful, thank you |
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| 13:44.58 | mac7 | hmmm...guess the file is too long, it shows errors |
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| 14:07.20 | mosno | i have this strange delay while waiting for a shell prompt to appear, either when opening a new lxterminal or opening a new GNU screen terminal. it isn't HDD related. what could this be? i'm running a rather minimal squeeze i386 system. |
| 14:07.42 | KaZeR | hi there. i'm using preseeds for the first time, and it almost work, excepted that it still ask for my language, keymap, and confirmation of the hostname and domain. what am i missing? |
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| 14:08.30 | Kasreyn | just wondering. downloading videos from youtube with cclive is broken in squeeze. why are there no backports? i managed to import the new sources from git and got it working. just wondering if there is anything official ? |
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| 14:11.34 | avu | Kasreyn: well, if there's no backport in the backports repo or an update in squeezy-updates (ex volatile), then there is nothing, no, those are the only places to look |
| 14:12.00 | mosno | hmm, it must be shell-related, it does it on a virtual console, too |
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| 14:12.18 | jelly-home | ,versions cclive |
| 14:12.20 | judd | Package cclive on i386 -- squeeze: 0.6.3-1; sid: 0.7.3.1-1.1; wheezy: 0.7.3.1-1.1 |
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| 14:13.05 | avu | jelly-home: does judd include squeeze-backports and -updates? |
| 14:13.12 | themill | yes |
| 14:13.27 | avu | ok |
| 14:13.34 | themill | ,versions clive |
| 14:13.36 | judd | Package clive on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.2.13-5+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.13-5+squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.13-5+squeeze3; squeeze-updates: 2.2.13-5+squeeze3; sid: 2.2.25-2; wheezy: 2.2.25-2 |
| 14:13.37 | avu | then, that :-) |
| 14:14.11 | Kasreyn | clive and cclive both use libquvi i think |
| 14:14.18 | Kasreyn | ,versions libquvi0 |
| 14:14.19 | judd | Package libquvi0 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.0-1.1; sid: 0.2.15-1; wheezy: 0.2.15-1 |
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| 14:14.44 | ansgar | kaeos: clive 2.2 doesn't; clive 2.3 does, but is not in Debian yet. |
| 14:14.48 | ansgar | Kasreyn: ^^^ |
| 14:14.50 | Kasreyn | ,versions quvi |
| 14:14.51 | judd | Package quvi on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.0-1.1; sid: 0.2.15-1; wheezy: 0.2.15-1 |
| 14:15.11 | ansgar | And with quvi not being updated, I don't feel like uploading clive 2.3... |
| 14:15.34 | Kasreyn | oh ok. anywho isn't quvi popular enough to keep it updated? i mean i use it a lot |
| 14:16.35 | ansgar | Kasreyn: There are open bugs, but the maintainer did nothing so far. |
| 14:17.00 | jelly-home | quvi doesn't seem that hard to backport or uupdate |
| 14:17.03 | Kasreyn | ansgar: where do you find this information? |
| 14:17.50 | themill | wonders what problem is actually being solved here, given clive works in squeeze and wheezy/sid. |
| 14:18.06 | ansgar | Kasreyn: http://bugs.debian.org/src:libquvi |
| 14:18.14 | Kasreyn | it's not. i just moved the new source into apt-get source quvi and fakeroot compiled it. have to do some tweaking then it works |
| 14:18.39 | ansgar | themill: The problem that clive 2.3 will use quvi which seems to be not very well maintained. |
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| 14:19.09 | Kasreyn | wait so clive 2.2 was updated along with the changes on youtube a while ago that broke cclive? |
| 14:19.20 | ansgar | Yes. |
| 14:19.23 | themill | so the complaint is that clive should be updated from an existing version that works to a newer version that doesn't... |
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| 14:19.51 | zophy | what works for downloading youtube vids ? |
| 14:19.53 | dvs | !sns |
| 14:19.53 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 14:19.55 | ansgar | themill: Well, then I wouldn't have to fix clive all the time ;) |
| 14:19.55 | Kasreyn | themill: cclive is not clive. my complaint is on cclive |
| 14:20.14 | jelly-home | Kasreyn: yeah but why not use the tool that works |
| 14:20.24 | Kasreyn | jelly-home: because i didn't know :) |
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| 14:24.27 | Kasreyn | are you pulling my leg? clive in squeeze is still broken? http://ideone.com/ZNnV2 |
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| 14:26.02 | Kasreyn | or did you mean the one in backports? |
| 14:26.06 | jelly-home | just trusted SOMEONE else that said it worked |
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| 14:27.09 | ansgar | Kasreyn: clive from squeeze-updates (!= squeeze) should work. |
| 14:27.22 | themill | Kasreyn: wfm. Make sure you have squeeze-updates enabled. |
| 14:27.26 | themill | dpkg: tell Kasreyn about squeeze-updates |
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| 14:27.59 | Kasreyn | i have "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" in /etc/apt/sources.list, just updated too |
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| 14:28.18 | themill | that is not squeeze-updates, unfortunately. See what dpkg told you. |
| 14:28.27 | ansgar | Kasreyn: squeeze/updates != squeeze-updates (yes, it might not be the bost choice of names) |
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| 14:28.43 | themill | "might"… |
| 14:28.44 | Kasreyn | doh. i see |
| 14:29.03 | Kasreyn | thanks |
| 14:31.08 | RichiH | there should be a new version of xserver-xorg-video-nvidia that has not made it into unstable, yet. is there a generic way to find the newest version? |
| 14:32.30 | Kasreyn | clive from squeeze-updates is working nicely :) http://ideone.com/PSutq |
| 14:36.06 | mosno | ACPI |
| 14:36.17 | mosno | whoops :) |
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| 14:40.50 | dname | Hello. Why when you try to install UnrealIRCd, displays that can not find OpenSSL, zlib. In fact, these are both installed. In what may be the problem? |
| 14:42.13 | themill | dname: you are presumably trying to compile, in which case you need the development packages not just the compiled library |
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| 14:42.46 | jelly-home | dname: that'd be libssl-dev, zlib-dev and similarly named package |
| 14:42.47 | jelly-home | s |
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| 14:48.05 | fasta | Which files specify which users are on a system? |
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| 14:49.03 | wols | logged on? run "who" |
| 14:49.47 | fasta | wols: no, which users have an account. |
| 14:50.07 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.27 | themill | getent passwd |
| 14:50.37 | fasta | That's the only file? |
| 14:50.44 | fasta | Because there is also /etc/shadow. |
| 14:51.03 | wols | that doesn't specify any users. it's for password storage only |
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| 14:51.34 | fasta | Ok, the 'problem' I want to solve is that I have some users defined from an old installation and I want to move those to this machine. |
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| 14:52.07 | fasta | To do that, I need to know where all of this information is specified, including possible hashes of passwords for example. |
| 14:52.26 | pipeline | /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group. |
| 14:52.27 | windows98 | anyone know what id "co" is for in /etc/inittab ? |
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| 14:53.03 | dname | jelly-home Package zlib-dev does not find said |
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| 14:53.46 | themill | dmc: zlib1g-dev |
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| 14:54.58 | skilz | Anyone know how to spoof my webcam? |
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| 14:55.14 | djskidd | I like Manycam |
| 14:55.14 | skilz | As in display a gif or such when im using it for the viewer to see |
| 14:55.45 | djskidd | Open the GIF in a program and focus Manycam on it |
| 14:56.03 | djskidd | I'm sure there is Manycam for Linux... |
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| 14:56.36 | djskidd | Anyway, I'm looking at the ISO FTP |
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| 14:56.50 | skilz | nope |
| 14:56.50 | djskidd | I see CD-1 to CD-50 |
| 14:56.55 | djskidd | do I need all 50? |
| 14:57.26 | skilz | no |
| 14:57.29 | edwinsage | djskidd: No, you can install with just the first one if the camputer has a network connection. |
| 14:57.32 | skilz | Just use the net install |
| 14:57.46 | skilz | Minimal Net installer |
| 14:57.50 | djskidd | I have Wi-Fi on the target machine |
| 14:58.04 | djskidd | The target machine has Ubuntu |
| 14:58.13 | djskidd | and my netinstall client has Windows |
| 14:58.16 | wols | djskidd: then you want to use CD1 and possibly a firmware package depending on the wlan chip |
| 14:58.33 | fasta | pipeline: thanks. |
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| 15:05.19 | zammn | Hello. |
| 15:05.53 | wols | yes? |
| 15:06.17 | djskidd | hi |
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| 15:08.00 | home-alone | hi,,,when i try to install libre office from backports i get this error |
| 15:08.05 | home-alone | http://paste.debian.net/128362/ |
| 15:09.11 | jelly-home | home-alone: did you copy-paste the command from a web page? That "-" in "-t" might be not the ASCII minus sign but a dash |
| 15:09.42 | zammn | Is the X.org in Debian using evdev? If I use a kernel with CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV enabled, the kay mapping under X is broken. For example: ALT-GR is mapped to KP_ENTER. Google gives a lot search results: https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=evdev+%22alt+gr%22+enter But I can't get it to work. I am using stable. |
| 15:09.50 | djskidd | Alright, so I want to do a netinstall, here is my network info: |
| 15:09.54 | djskidd | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05) |
| 15:09.54 | djskidd | 07:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter (rev 01) |
| 15:10.02 | jelly-home | home-alone: so delete it and type in a proper - |
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| 15:10.34 | home-alone | jelly-home, E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 15:10.36 | RichiH | there should be a more current xserver-xorg-video-nvidia than what's in unstable. ftp.upload.debian.org is empty... where else can i find the package? |
| 15:10.41 | djskidd | Do I need any further drivers? |
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| 15:10.53 | jeffrin | hello |
| 15:10.54 | jeffrin | all |
| 15:10.55 | wols | RichiH: in experimental somewhere supposedly |
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| 15:11.04 | jelly-home | home-alone: This might sound obvious, but... do what it says. |
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| 15:11.38 | wols | !RTL8188CE |
| 15:11.39 | dpkg | For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-based PCI-E wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>. For support of Realtek RTL8188CE-VAU-based USB wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>. |
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| 15:11.51 | home-alone | jelly-home, what should i do..? |
| 15:11.53 | jeffrin | can someone help me decode the following ...[11.588285] [<ffffffff815d1e45] panic+0xad/0x27c |
| 15:11.53 | wols | !rtl8192ce |
| 15:11.53 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 15:12.08 | wols | !tell djskidd about kmuto |
| 15:12.12 | jelly-home | home-alone: run "dpkg --configure -a" first! |
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| 15:13.17 | bcopeland | jeffrin: can you post the whole thing to a pastebin? |
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| 15:15.00 | home-alone | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/128363/ |
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| 15:15.38 | jeffrin | bcopeland : it is related to this ...http://pastebin.com/eqvnZUge |
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| 15:16.26 | jelly-home | home-alone: have you followed the instructions on the backports site? Have you done an "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" before trying that? |
| 15:16.32 | jelly-home | !tell home-alone about bat |
| 15:16.47 | jeffrin | bcopeland : it is related to this ... http://pastebin.com/eqvnZUge |
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| 15:19.14 | home-alone | jelly-home, here is my source list http://paste.debian.net/128366/ |
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| 15:19.40 | bcopeland | jeffrin: oh, my guess is you don't have the driver for your hard drive and/or root filesystem available for the kernel (e.g. it is missing from the initrd) |
| 15:20.16 | jelly-home | home-alone: well, you don't have the backports source enabled at all. Of course it won't work |
| 15:20.42 | home-alone | how to enable it |
| 15:21.00 | jelly-home | home-alone: read the instructions: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:21.33 | home-alone | if you could do it for me please...? |
| 15:21.41 | jeffrin | bcopeland : what if the drivers are kernel inbuilt |
| 15:21.41 | jelly-home | no, no I couldn't |
| 15:22.23 | home-alone | do i need this line to add ...deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main ..? |
| 15:22.27 | jelly-home | home-alone: if you want private help or hand-holding from me, that's 50EUR/hr, one hour minimum |
| 15:22.59 | home-alone | oh thats what i earn for whole month |
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| 15:23.28 | jelly-home | whoops |
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| 15:24.04 | jeffrin | bcopeland : let me try without initrd |
| 15:24.05 | jelly-home | home-alone: realize you already have that line in there, but commented out for some reason |
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| 15:24.46 | home-alone | this # mark is from website |
| 15:24.49 | otak | !tell otak about bat |
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| 15:25.34 | jelly-home | home-alone: the # mark means the line is a comment, and not active |
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| 15:26.12 | home-alone | should i remove this mark...? |
| 15:26.25 | jelly-home | yes, uncomment the line if you want it to work |
| 15:26.40 | pfred1 | have to aptitude update too |
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| 15:27.03 | jelly-home | that's in the instructions. |
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| 15:29.02 | home-alone | I uncomment it thank you . I really appriciate your help |
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| 15:29.17 | home-alone | you saved my 50 euro |
| 15:29.20 | home-alone | :) |
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| 15:38.50 | drupin | can i update for one repo in debian |
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| 15:39.49 | drupin | hello |
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| 15:40.00 | jelly-home | drupin: hi |
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| 15:40.09 | jelly-home | drupin: "no" |
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| 15:40.23 | drupin | jelly-home: will ..i can |
| 15:40.39 | drupin | get a small update in one pakage.. |
| 15:41.44 | jelly-home | if "<drupin> can i update for one repo in debian" means to do an equivalent of "apt-get update" just for one repo, leaving the other cached data untouched, the answer is no |
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| 15:42.48 | Woet | jelly-home: commenting out everything except 1 repo in sources.list, running apt-get update and uncommenting them again should work? |
| 15:42.57 | themill | no |
| 15:43.02 | Woet | not sure what apt-get does with the cache of commented repos though |
| 15:44.23 | drupin | no means i want to say.. |
| 15:44.38 | drupin | the package is updated... alrwadyy. |
| 15:44.46 | drupin | *already |
| 15:45.02 | drupin | and the one on debian repo is obsolete |
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| 15:45.32 | NekawA_ | hmm, just to make sure, wine does not exist in wheezy right? |
| 15:45.52 | drupin | i mean to say .. if i can get that update done by you people |
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| 15:46.13 | claw | how to set a computer to suspend with the shell ? |
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| 15:46.37 | claw | theres the 'suspend' cmd but it is not locatet in sbin |
| 15:46.43 | claw | i need the whole patch / cmd |
| 15:46.51 | claw | *patch = path |
| 15:47.11 | themill | /usr/sbin/pm-suspend |
| 15:47.25 | themill | (pm-utils package) |
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| 15:49.57 | claw | thank you |
| 15:51.16 | drupin | jelly-home: u got me |
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| 15:57.42 | mosno | how can one avoid falling into such a "trap?": had xorg metapackage installed. then i installed xfce4 metapackage. xfce4-terminal package was NOT installed because xterm satisfied the dependency "with one of those 'foo | bar' dep delcarations", but what i meant was for all xfce4 related stuff to take precedence. |
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| 15:58.20 | mosno | eg. how can i get aptitude or whatever to tell me each time there's a "|" dep, so i can choose? |
| 15:58.46 | mosno | or how can i audit the system after the fact so show me these? |
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| 16:02.12 | thogar | im sure there is documentations of this but, i have a script that when i exicute it in terminal just by specifying its location and name, it runs what i need too, but how do i make the script "executable" so it just opens with terminal, for example, upon startup? |
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| 16:02.43 | pfred1 | thogar you want CWD on your path? |
| 16:03.16 | thogar | lol what, im fairly new to all this |
| 16:03.32 | toehio | i changed the network card in my machine, so now I have eth1 instead of eth0. How do I 'rename' eth1 to eth0? |
| 16:03.57 | oobe | thogar, just put it in /usr/local/bin |
| 16:03.58 | pfred1 | thogar to make it executable chmod +x <filename> |
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| 16:05.05 | oobe | yea and pfred1 is right chmod a+x /usr/local/bin/script |
| 16:05.25 | pfred1 | thogar to execute a file where you are just type ./file |
| 16:05.28 | oobe | that way you can execute it anywhere without having to type the full path |
| 16:05.45 | _SKiTZO | the system disk of my server just crashed. I was able to recover the /etc folder. Would it be possible to recreate my system image from just that? |
| 16:06.15 | _SKiTZO | if I install a new disk with exactly the same package selections and then copy the /etc folder oer? |
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| 16:07.18 | _SKiTZO | i would like to try it just for fun, but i don't know how to get a list of packages installed on a debian system |
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| 16:08.43 | thogar | where is the chmod being said? terminal? |
| 16:08.49 | pfred1 | _SKiTZO have you tried dpkg -l ? |
| 16:08.50 | jelly-home | _SKiTZO: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 16:09.06 | oobe | _SKiTZO, dpkg --get-selections > list.txt |
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| 16:09.24 | oobe | that should generate a list of all installed files assuming you still have a running system |
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| 16:10.23 | oobe | if not check /var/cache/apt/archives if the system hasnt damages all data in that directory |
| 16:10.29 | jelly-home | _SKiTZO: you ned to be careful with packages that dynamically create system users at installation time -- the numeric values for uids, gids might differ from your old /etc/{passwd,group} |
| 16:10.32 | oobe | that wont be a complet list thogh |
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| 16:11.16 | _SKiTZO | i just chrooted into the old install and was able to do dpkg --get-selections >list.txt |
| 16:12.09 | _SKiTZO | this is going to be fun :D thanks for the help! |
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| 16:13.43 | tabakhase | im having multiple servers, i need to centralize my loging, theres a lot on the net but any personal recomends? im thinking about reading apache,nginx,syslog,(mysql), some other ones and some more custom ones. configuring these with an interface/regexp would be fine, best with defaults attached |
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| 16:16.26 | oobe | _SKiTZO, jelly-home made important point about passwds and groups files not being the same also i I think /etc/fstab may generate different id numbers for drives too |
| 16:16.45 | oobe | I would do a cp -R /etc /etc.orig first |
| 16:16.58 | _SKiTZO | i allready set up labels for my drives in fstab |
| 16:17.06 | oobe | then copy some files back bit by bit into your new /etc |
| 16:17.10 | _SKiTZO | yes |
| 16:17.13 | oobe | yea just saying |
| 16:18.09 | _SKiTZO | one question though, how would you recommend i install the packages in the list? i mean they all have some state keyword after them like "installed" or "uninstalled". should i just take the ones that are installed? |
| 16:18.50 | oobe | I guess so I would assume that anything listed as uninstalled was no longer on your broken system |
| 16:18.51 | _SKiTZO | i could write a small script to pass only the ones with "installed" to apt-get, but i am feeling there is another way |
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| 16:18.57 | _SKiTZO | yes |
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| 16:19.10 | oobe | I wrote one to do this ages ago |
| 16:19.14 | egoga | hello |
| 16:19.18 | oobe | I cant remember where it is |
| 16:19.27 | oobe | I will try to dig it up if you want |
| 16:19.39 | egoga | In Debian, how do I do an aptitude clone, is such a thing possible? I messed up my inint.d and rcS.d, etc files big time |
| 16:20.34 | egoga | !dpkg aptitude clone |
| 16:20.35 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone> |
| 16:20.39 | wols | what has this cloning to do with messed up init files? |
| 16:20.42 | egoga | well |
| 16:20.51 | egoga | I installed redhat-lsb 4.0 from another distro, CentOS |
| 16:21.03 | egoga | It made modifications to my /etc/init.d etc files so I couldn'tboot |
| 16:21.12 | egoga | now I'm in a liveOS where I have typed chroot /media/hdc5 |
| 16:21.28 | egoga | typing the instructions given by dpkg don't work |
| 16:21.33 | egoga | !aptitude clone |
| 16:21.33 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone> |
| 16:21.36 | egoga | !apt-clone |
| 16:21.36 | dpkg | i guess apt-clone is a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>. For use with squeeze, ask me about <simple sid backport>. |
| 16:21.39 | egoga | !debsums |
| 16:21.39 | dpkg | debsums is, like, a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". |
| 16:22.13 | oobe | egoga, pm the bot instead due to the indisputable fact it makes much more sense than to flood the channel |
| 16:22.33 | egoga | k, didn't know I could do that |
| 16:22.42 | egoga | so like |
| 16:22.57 | themill | egoga: the bot doesn't give different instructions here versus oftc. (and rudi_s already told you that you could /msg the bot) |
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| 16:25.01 | egoga | How do I do stuff, like how do I reinstall all my debian packages when I already have every package downladed already that I need |
| 16:25.10 | egoga | Or more importantly, how do I reinstall my init files |
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| 16:26.04 | oobe | _SKiTZO, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/clone-your-ubuntu-installation.html |
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| 16:27.30 | oobe | egoga, update-rc.d |
| 16:28.02 | oobe | e.g assuming they arnt deleted modified beyond repair you can recreate all the links with update-rc.d |
| 16:28.26 | oobe | if they are you can chase down the init scripts one by one using aptitude reinstall |
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| 16:34.52 | egoga | how do I do it |
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| 16:35.22 | _SKiTZO | relying on uid and guid numbers sounds like a flaw to me, does debian packages actually do that? |
| 16:35.37 | fasta | How do I disable cursor blinking in Gnome terminal in Squeeze? |
| 16:36.12 | egoga | !updaterc.d |
| 16:36.19 | fasta | I followed some of these instructions (http://www.jurta.org/en/prog/noblink) but it makes my cursor disapppear completely. |
| 16:36.58 | fasta | Never mind. |
| 16:37.07 | egoga | So what exactly do I type |
| 16:37.13 | egoga | What is this basename and other names |
| 16:37.19 | oobe | _SKiTZO, all Unix and Posix systems use guid uid numbers |
| 16:37.23 | egoga | do I type udaterc.d rcS.d for example |
| 16:37.30 | egoga | I read the man page by the way and I'm still confused |
| 16:37.51 | oobe | here is an example update-rc.d http defaults |
| 16:38.00 | mosno | i'm using the default Tango icon set in XFCE 4.6 -- why are some icons missing, eg. in the Go menu in Thunar? |
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| 16:38.16 | oobe | that would set it up to run a script names http in /etc/init.d on boot |
| 16:39.29 | oobe | so if there is a script in /etc/init.d you want to run at boot you dont type the full path you just type update-rc.d script defaults |
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| 16:40.49 | _SKiTZO | oobe: but they correspond to a name. why not use the name instead? i mean all references in configuration files shouls use the name. a little like dns, we refer to server names instead of ip adresses |
| 16:41.17 | oobe | I dont really understand how it works I just know its how its done |
| 16:41.31 | oobe | I also know from some experience that its common amongst all distros |
| 16:41.48 | pfred1 | oobe uuid? |
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| 16:41.52 | oobe | so I was just pointing out that it is nothing do do with debian |
| 16:42.12 | _SKiTZO | ok |
| 16:42.18 | _SKiTZO | thanks :) |
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| 16:42.59 | oobe | pfred1, yes guid and uid |
| 16:43.20 | pfred1 | oobe labels are perfectly acceptable alternatives |
| 16:43.48 | oobe | for users ? and groups etc. |
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| 16:44.29 | pfred1 | oobe oh I never bothered with those i thought for disks |
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| 16:47.31 | oobe | yea |
| 16:47.38 | Lenin_Cat | How do I leave scrollable text given to me by a terminal? |
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| 16:48.11 | Lenin_Cat | hmm? |
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| 16:50.48 | egoga | hmm? |
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| 16:51.19 | Sentencia | hello |
| 16:51.29 | Sentencia | I have a nvidia geforce 250 gts |
| 16:51.33 | Sentencia | how to install this driver? |
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| 16:52.53 | pfred1 | Sentencia aptitude search nvidia |
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| 16:53.55 | Sentencia | nvidia-va-driver |
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| 16:54.25 | pfred1 | Sentencia that is all it came up with? |
| 16:54.55 | Sentencia | yes, i have default repo, maybe that? |
| 16:55.09 | oobe | Lenin_Cat, do you mean you want to be able to scroll up and down after a lot of text wizzes past |
| 16:55.12 | rudi_s | !tell Sentencia about nvidia |
| 16:55.14 | pfred1 | Sentencia add cintrib and non-free to your /etc/sources.list file then aptitude update and try again |
| 16:55.21 | pfred1 | contrib even |
| 16:55.28 | Lenin_Cat | oobe, I want to leave it |
| 16:55.28 | Sentencia | thanks |
| 16:55.31 | Sentencia | ok |
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| 16:55.33 | oobe | Lenin_Cat, shift page up shift page down |
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| 16:55.36 | Lenin_Cat | I want to continue installing my package |
| 16:55.42 | oobe | :q |
| 16:55.47 | oobe | type :Q |
| 16:55.52 | oobe | I mean :q |
| 16:55.57 | Lenin_Cat | oh |
| 16:55.59 | Lenin_Cat | ok |
| 16:56.03 | Lenin_Cat | thx |
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| 16:56.12 | oobe | thats the vi command to quit |
| 16:56.20 | ctx | how can i kill and find a process ? |
| 16:56.38 | oobe | they display the change logs at the beginning of upgrades with vi or vi like app |
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| 16:56.54 | pfred1 | ctx man killall |
| 16:57.12 | ctx | preller: how can i find a process ? |
| 16:57.20 | somiaj | ctx: 'ps fax' or 'top' will find the process pid -- use kill to kill it |
| 16:57.26 | pfred1 | ctx yes ps |
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| 16:57.52 | pfred1 | somiaj killall does it without worrying about the pid |
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| 16:58.15 | somiaj | pfred1: but it may take out more than you want |
| 16:58.21 | pfred1 | usually does a better job with processes that like to spawn too |
| 16:58.23 | rudi_s | (At least on Linux systems ;-) |
| 16:58.34 | sedulous | Coweater: do you remember suggesting JSVC for java daemons that need to drop their privileges? i've implemented it in a server package and it's working great and required only a few lines of code. it's surprising that only 1 or 2 other packages in debian depend on it. |
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| 17:04.20 | peterrooney | I am in love with the --forest option of ps, and regularly curse its absence on Solaris and OS X |
| 17:04.50 | peterrooney | ptree is no substitute. |
| 17:05.01 | pfred1 | peterrooney not even pstree? |
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| 17:05.44 | peterrooney | pfred1: it provides no information about the process owner |
| 17:07.36 | pfred1 | peterrooney when I want something dead the owner is of little consequence to me really |
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| 17:08.28 | Coweater | peterrooney: the -u option gives the username when it's different than a parent process, easy to follow in a tree |
| 17:09.22 | Coweater | oh, you were specifying ptree, my mistake |
| 17:09.54 | pfred1 | Coweater bash: ptree: command not found |
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| 17:13.20 | computerx | Howdy, is there a simple command to display all open files? |
| 17:13.27 | pfred1 | lsof ? |
| 17:13.29 | peterrooney | computerx: lsof |
| 17:13.49 | computerx | Brilliant, thanks |
| 17:14.12 | pfred1 | thing is lsof really isn't all that simple |
| 17:14.29 | Sentencia | hi again, i followed the wiki debian manual for install nvidia driver and starting X it says: failed to load nvidia kernel module |
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| 17:14.44 | Sentencia | and mod probe nvidia says doesn't exists such module |
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| 17:15.04 | Sentencia | i try apt-get install nvidia-kernel-my_kernel and it says already exiss |
| 17:15.06 | Sentencia | exists |
| 17:15.13 | Sentencia | what i miss |
| 17:15.19 | computerx | It's simple enough if I can work out lsof +d /home/computerx already :D |
| 17:15.58 | wols | Sentencia: what is the exact message? what exactly already exists? |
| 17:15.59 | pfred1 | computerx lsof can even track files open over a network connection |
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| 17:17.31 | Sentencia | wols: The error is: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 17:17.35 | drupin | is the znc repo updated |
| 17:17.35 | wald0 | why is not songbird in debian ? |
| 17:17.51 | Sentencia | (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your system's kernel log |
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| 17:18.23 | wols | Sentencia: what videocard do you have and what version of driver is installed? |
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| 17:18.35 | rudi_s | !tell wald0 about songbird |
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| 17:19.15 | pfred1 | I want to get a new nvidia video adapter |
| 17:19.25 | Sentencia | wols: I followed this manual http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#free and i have a gForce GTS250 |
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| 17:20.14 | wols | Sentencia: you did not. nvidia is not a Free driver as your link implies |
| 17:20.24 | wols | Sentencia: please answer my other question too |
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| 17:21.43 | Sentencia | 2nd question: as the message said my nvidia kernel module doesn't exists, i tried to install it via apt-get install nvidia-kernel-module, but it was already installed |
| 17:21.59 | Sentencia | i'll read the manual again then, i failed at that point |
| 17:22.08 | Sentencia | i used the apt-get module-assistant way |
| 17:22.14 | wols | Sentencia: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 17:22.25 | pfred1 | Sentencia I installed mine through synaptic no problems |
| 17:22.32 | Sentencia | returns nvidia-glx |
| 17:22.34 | Sentencia | oh |
| 17:22.46 | egoga | synthetic |
| 17:23.03 | pfred1 | egoga point click and shoot baby! |
| 17:23.13 | wols | Sentencia: if that's the only thing it returned your story doesn't make sense. please pastebin the output |
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| 17:24.14 | Sentencia | i have no X, I'm using the laptop, can i paste bin from console? i'll paste the X's log |
| 17:24.29 | wols | !pastebinit |
| 17:24.29 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 17:24.57 | Sentencia | http://pastebin.com/nafxxnc2 |
| 17:25.18 | pfred1 | messing with nvidia drivers has had me cozying up to lynx on mor than one occasion |
| 17:25.20 | wols | please paste what I asked for, not something else |
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| 17:26.44 | Sentencia | http://pastebin.com/bP6RA9JE |
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| 17:27.31 | pfred1 | it has been so long since i did it do you still have to hand edit xorg.conf to get nvidia drivers to work? |
| 17:27.40 | wols | pfred1: nopf |
| 17:27.43 | wols | -pf |
| 17:28.01 | ScottG | How would I go about burning a video file to a DVD so that it could be watched on a DVD player? |
| 17:28.04 | kuznetzvo | yeah it was pretty easy doing amd64 squeeze on my laptop |
| 17:28.06 | barfoo | hi, where could i find kbuild for kernel 3.1.0? :) there is no longer linux-kbuild-2.6 folder in debian's svn :/ |
| 17:28.39 | wols | Sentencia: modprobe nvidia ? |
| 17:29.38 | Sentencia | wols: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 17:29.50 | wols | Sentencia: lspci |grep VGA |
| 17:30.07 | pfred1 | yeah i was wondering if they even had the hardware |
| 17:30.44 | Sentencia | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce GTS 250] (rev a2) |
| 17:31.46 | Sentencia | i have an integrated graphic card in the motherboard but i believe it's already disabled |
| 17:31.48 | Sentencia | i go check it again |
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| 17:32.34 | pfred1 | Sentencia sweet I think i want to get a GT520 |
| 17:33.24 | pipeline | pfred1: p. sure the price/performance points still hover around the gts 250 and the gtx 460 |
| 17:33.36 | Sentencia | it is good but not easy to install |
| 17:33.47 | pipeline | pfred1: I paid around $30 for my gts 250. Best money ever spent :P |
| 17:33.51 | pfred1 | pipeline the 520 is an oddball it is sort of low performance but it is cheap |
| 17:33.58 | Sentencia | $30 ? |
| 17:34.01 | Sentencia | i paid pretty much |
| 17:34.12 | pipeline | pfred1: yeah I investigated that -- the 250, the part it hypothetically replaces, is actually faster. |
| 17:34.15 | Sentencia | hey, it works now |
| 17:34.20 | Sentencia | i saw the nvidia logo at startup |
| 17:34.23 | pipeline | Sentencia: might have just needed that reboot |
| 17:34.26 | pfred1 | pipeline thing is i can't undershoot my onboard the i3 apparently is no slouch |
| 17:34.33 | Sentencia | i changed the bios the order of graphic |
| 17:34.41 | Sentencia | pci/integrated instead integrated/pci |
| 17:34.45 | pipeline | pfred1: then spend the money and get a gtx 460. :) |
| 17:34.47 | Sentencia | i forgot that option |
| 17:34.53 | wols | Sentencia: duh! |
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| 17:35.05 | wols | pfred1, pipeline: ##hardware |
| 17:35.08 | pfred1 | pipeline the 520 should be a comfortable boost I hope |
| 17:35.15 | Sentencia | this is much different now, now i enjoy debian |
| 17:35.44 | pipeline | unfortunately nvidia is still the only uhh game-compatible option for graphics under debian |
| 17:36.03 | pfred1 | yeah I installed an ATI man was that a nightmare |
| 17:36.13 | pipeline | the open source ati bits are a pretty awesome user experience these days. Kernel modesetting is a step forward. |
| 17:36.22 | pipeline | poor speed/compatibility with wine though :( |
| 17:37.58 | pfred1 | Sentencia run glxgears |
| 17:38.04 | markit | I prefer AMD, they are more FOSS friendly that nvidia, so I want to buy from friends than from enemies, lol |
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| 17:38.20 | markit | btw, wine also in sid is so old... |
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| 17:39.04 | markit | 1.0.1-3.1, experimental has 1.1.24-2, latest on winehq site is 1.3.27 |
| 17:39.19 | pipeline | the open source radeon drivers are certainly more user friendly |
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| 17:39.45 | pipeline | and yes the wine packages in debian are a bit behind. apt-get build-dep wine-unstable, then build your own wine from git. :\ |
| 17:40.00 | markit | pipeline: I only use Free software, never considered proprietary drivers for video card |
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| 17:40.01 | pipeline | 1.1.24 is new enough to be useful, but wine is a super fast moving project |
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| 17:40.26 | pfred1 | pipeline the one time I used it didn't seem to be moving too fast to me :) |
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| 17:41.18 | pipeline | pfred1: d3d performance gets better every month |
| 17:42.02 | pfred1 | pipeline well from what I saw in about 10 years it'd be useful |
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| 17:42.57 | mosno | i have found that intel works with the least fuss |
| 17:43.10 | jelly-home | pipeline: uh, 1.1.anything is like 2 years old |
| 17:43.14 | pfred1 | mosno yeah my onboard intel just worked |
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| 17:43.46 | mosno | pfred1: i always have grief with nvidia and amd |
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| 17:44.28 | pfred1 | mosno whats worse is it works so good i have to be careful i don't buy something less than it already is |
| 17:46.36 | zapadlo | Intel is the only company to provide open source gfx drivers. |
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| 17:48.32 | mosno | pfred1: i downgraded from a 4GB RAM laptop *and* a 3GB RAM laptop to a 2GB RAM laptop just because the hardware is better for FOSS |
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| 17:49.17 | mosno | (tried moving the RAM to this 2GB laptop... RAM is compatible, but the mobo maxes out at 2GB!) |
| 17:49.24 | mosno | oh well |
| 17:49.40 | mosno | and Intel VT is BIOS-hard-disabled, but oh well, my drivers work :) |
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| 17:50.08 | jelly-home | mosno: I did that 5 years ago. The current machine, however, has an nvidia and their binary driver is less buggy and more stable than video-intel was during those 5 years of usage |
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| 17:50.53 | mosno | jelly-home: yeah, the nvidia binary driver works fine until you hit walls with other software, eg. xorg or xen |
| 17:51.02 | mosno | jelly-home: perhaps it has improved, i haven't used it for years |
| 17:51.13 | pfred1 | I have a laptop now because someone gave it to me but normally I'm a desktop sort and so far I am still working on getting everything working on that laptop |
| 17:52.02 | pfred1 | like yesterday I plugged a camera into it and couldn't get the pictures off it through a USB cable so I'm missing something |
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| 17:52.55 | nkuttler | pfred1: aren't cameras just usb storage devices nowadays? anyway, try gphoto |
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| 17:53.34 | pfred1 | nkuttler I may be missing the file format like fat and vfat I might have skipped installing them figuring I'd never use them |
| 17:53.47 | nkuttler | pfred1: did you build your own kernel? |
| 17:53.52 | pfred1 | nkuttler yes |
| 17:54.06 | nkuttler | well.. don't do that |
| 17:54.14 | pfred1 | nkuttler don't do what? |
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| 17:55.40 | ksuhku | remove the generic kernel for cases like this |
| 17:55.57 | pfred1 | ksuhku who said i did it's still there |
| 17:56.33 | ksuhku | well, it has most useful options selected and most useless as well, tried it? |
| 17:56.52 | pfred1 | tried what? I plugged the camera into another PC |
| 17:57.34 | pfred1 | I still have to get it to work on the laptop though because I could see that being useful someday maybe |
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| 18:00.58 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: You should take a look at dmesg to see what it thinks is happening when you connect the camera. |
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| 18:01.26 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: There may be a setting on the camera for the type of connection (USB Storage vs. proprietary). |
| 18:01.36 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt yeah I haven't really explored it too much when I plugged that camera in I didn't even know if it was working or not |
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| 18:01.41 | seb82 | who knows stuff about tightvnc? |
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| 18:01.48 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: You may end up messing with the udev rules. |
| 18:01.59 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: Camera usually must be manually switched on. |
| 18:02.16 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt it just worked when I plugged it into another machine |
| 18:02.19 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: Lots of people. |
| 18:02.36 | ksuhku | pfred1, same kernels? |
| 18:02.44 | pfred1 | ksuhku no |
| 18:02.46 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: Doesn't mean much, especially if the other machine is running a different OS. |
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| 18:03.02 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt both Debian one is Lenny the other Squeeze |
| 18:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: I would do what ksuhku has obliquely suggested and try it with the stock kernel to see if it's any different. |
| 18:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: Which works? |
| 18:03.36 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt Lenny |
| 18:03.40 | seb82 | jhutchins_lt alright... can I ask you a questions then? |
| 18:03.56 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: If you just ask the channel in general, anybody who knows can answer. |
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| 18:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: I had to tweak the rules in SANE to get my scanner working on the .32 kernel, it was created as a different device. |
| 18:04.43 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: Your first step is to see what dmesg says about it though. |
| 18:04.56 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: (You might want to compare it to what it says on Lenny.) |
| 18:05.23 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: You can also install the .32 kernel on lenny from backports and see if that's the difference, and try the .39 from squeeze backports to see if that does anything. |
| 18:05.24 | seb82 | alright, I'm running Debian Squeeze on my host to which I connect with tightvnc... the guest also runs with debian squeeze... i've read that tightvnc is able to pass the sound of the host to the guest pc... but until now no avail... |
| 18:05.24 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt I could just boot the old kernel on the laptop see what I'm missing |
| 18:05.24 | ksuhku | could well be fat or some silly code page, etc |
| 18:05.42 | seb82 | has anyone a clue on this matter? |
| 18:06.11 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: I've never heard of that being a VNC feature, but you can check the man page. It has extensive info on "forwarding" local devices to the remote system. |
| 18:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: pulseaudio might also be able to do this. |
| 18:06.40 | ksuhku | pulse is what I thought of as well |
| 18:06.55 | seb82 | but I'm running alsa on both... |
| 18:07.06 | pfred1 | X is always run on a network connection even if that connection is only localhost |
| 18:07.09 | seb82 | so how can I use pulse in this? |
| 18:07.36 | pfred1 | that is why it is called the X server |
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| 18:10.05 | seb82 | since I only used alsa so far... for the past 2 years |
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| 18:11.44 | jhutchins_lt | X doesn't handle audio |
| 18:12.27 | seb82 | according to the wiki page it should |
| 18:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: Pulse runs "on top" of alsa. |
| 18:13.10 | ksuhku | Seb, try reading the manual page as suggested by jhutchins_lt |
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| 18:13.48 | seb82 | okay |
| 18:14.06 | seb82 | and pulse just install as easy as ever? |
| 18:14.06 | seb82 | as in apt-get? |
| 18:14.19 | sgn | What would a "proxied" url look like? I've got a streaming device without proxy support, could I not supply an url that forces it to catch a stream through a a proxy? |
| 18:14.28 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: Yes and no, it can be tricky to configure and find tools/controls for. |
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| 18:15.02 | seb82 | owkay so what tools/controls would i need? |
| 18:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | sgn: You would connect to the stream on the proxy. How you get the proxy to connect to the remote stream is the tricky part. |
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| 18:16.06 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: You'll have to find documentation for pulseaudio. |
| 18:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: Meanwhile, I still reccommend the VNC manpage. |
| 18:16.25 | sgn | hmmm... I might just run VLC to "cache" to stream locally and make the streamer connect to vlc though? |
| 18:16.27 | seb82 | or an how-to... lol |
| 18:16.55 | theNADS | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 18:18.20 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: You might also want to look for documentation on networked audio. It's a specialised field. |
| 18:18.21 | seb82 | no manual entry for VNC |
| 18:18.41 | seb82 | that's wot I was looking for... networked audio... thx jhutchins_lt |
| 18:18.57 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: manpages are for a command or a package, not a protocol. |
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| 18:19.07 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: Learn to use the apropos and locate commands. |
| 18:19.29 | pfred1 | likes man -k |
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| 18:19.56 | seb82 | I usually get around with the regular stuff but until recently I was forced to used a virtualized system... |
| 18:20.22 | seb82 | else wouldn't be needing networked audio |
| 18:20.36 | NSQ | uhm, i changed my root password, and no tab-completion in apt-get install xy[tab] is no longer worling, wth? strange. |
| 18:20.49 | NSQ | *now |
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| 18:21.54 | theNADS | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 18:25.36 | computerx | I just spent ages changing my fstab, and hit ctrl+z by mistake. Now it's stopped in the background. Is there any way I can resume that and save it, or will I have to kill it and start again? |
| 18:25.52 | PerfDave | computerx: fg? |
| 18:26.08 | homekevin | Hey guys. Running squeeze I've noticed some things that are much slower when using the 'nvidia' driver versus using 'nouveau'. Any ideas about why this could be? |
| 18:26.33 | PerfDave | homekevin: What sort of things? |
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| 18:26.43 | computerx | Oh PerfDave, THANK YOU! |
| 18:26.48 | homekevin | PerfDave: Mostly tab animations in iceweasel. |
| 18:26.55 | PerfDave | homekevin: Probably because nvidia doesn't support DRI, and nouveau does, on your graphics hardware, at a guess. |
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| 18:27.06 | homekevin | PerfDave: It also seems like the screensaver fade is totally broken with nvidia. |
| 18:27.32 | PerfDave | homekevin: It's probably just the DRI or GL thing. |
| 18:27.32 | homekevin | PerfDave: I suppose I can check for DRI in the xorg log, right? |
| 18:28.03 | PerfDave | homekevin: Or using glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" |
| 18:28.10 | homekevin | PerfDave: It does say it loaded dri and dri2 |
| 18:28.28 | PerfDave | homekevin: That's loading the modules, doesn't mean it's able to use them effectively. |
| 18:29.05 | homekevin | glxinfo says "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 18:29.17 | PerfDave | On nouveau? |
| 18:29.26 | homekevin | No, I'm currently running nvidia |
| 18:29.59 | pfred1 | homekevin but I thought you said the nouveau driver works better |
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| 18:30.27 | homekevin | pfred1: To be clear, my problem is that nvidia is extremely slow for a few common things. |
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| 18:30.44 | homekevin | I mentioned nouveau for comparison. |
| 18:31.15 | homekevin | But of course there are some things that work under nvidia that don't work at all under nouveau. |
| 18:31.16 | PerfDave | homekevin: Why is it a problem? Just use nouveau - it's better than nvidia if it supports your hardware :) |
| 18:31.19 | Lesterwood | how does one install a IME for a language on debian |
| 18:31.26 | PerfDave | IME? |
| 18:31.33 | Lesterwood | input manager |
| 18:31.42 | Lesterwood | like, type chinese/japanese/french |
| 18:31.47 | pfred1 | homekevin I was just reading about this and I need to check it out more myself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| 18:31.51 | PerfDave | Sorry, I don't know what one of those is. |
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| 18:52.44 | tonytraductor | Just quick, what is the variable to give bash to call default browser? It's no $BROWSER or $www-browser...googling hasn't helped. |
| 18:53.06 | homekevin | I don't think so, tonytraductor |
| 18:53.10 | tonytraductor | note, I'm not trying to set this var, just call it in a script to open a file in the browser with, like $BROWSER $url |
| 18:53.16 | homekevin | But there may be something for sensible-browser |
| 18:53.48 | tonytraductor | ?? |
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| 18:53.51 | homekevin | tonytraductor: Basically, I don't thing there is a well-defined "default browser" concept. |
| 18:54.02 | tonytraductor | There should be a var to call whatever browser the user has set as default |
| 18:54.12 | homekevin | tonytraductor: It's up to the application invoking the browser to decide what to do. |
| 18:54.17 | tonytraductor | some distros it is simply $BROWSER or $www-browser |
| 18:54.27 | ner0x | How can I set up a nullmailer on debian? |
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| 18:54.38 | ksuhku | tonytraductor, try xdg-open |
| 18:54.43 | andermetalsh | hello, I have a problem with synaptic |
| 18:54.43 | tonytraductor | here's the code in question http://baldwinsoftware.com/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.ImageUp |
| 18:54.56 | andermetalsh | "E: The value 'unstable-snapshots' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 18:54.56 | andermetalsh | E: _cache->open() failed, please report." |
| 18:55.05 | homekevin | tonytraductor: sensible-browser will use $BROWSER, which can be a list of browsers to try. |
| 18:55.14 | tonytraductor | whatever it is, I should be able to echo $whatever, and see it |
| 18:55.20 | homekevin | tonytraductor: But again, that's only if the invoking application uses sensible-browser. |
| 18:55.24 | tonytraductor | when I echo $BROWSER I get nothing |
| 18:55.41 | homekevin | tonytraductor: Well, you would have to set $BROWSER to what you want it to be first. |
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| 18:55.47 | tonytraductor | at the moment I just "hardwired" a browser in by calling it by name, but I'd rather it just pull the user's chosen default |
| 18:55.56 | jelly-home | ner0x: just install it, it asks a couple configuration questions at installation time |
| 18:56.00 | tonytraductor | I DO have a default browser set here (chromium-browser) |
| 18:56.09 | ksuhku | tonytraductor, try xdg-open |
| 18:56.18 | tonytraductor | echo $xdg-open gives nothing |
| 18:56.18 | homekevin | tonytraductor: So you want to *find out* what the default browser is, not set a default browser for yourself+ |
| 18:56.19 | homekevin | ? |
| 18:56.31 | ksuhku | xdg-open is a command, not a variable |
| 18:56.42 | tonytraductor | I know what MY default browser is, I just want the script to call the user's default browser. I don't need to know what theirs is. |
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| 18:56.53 | ner0x | jelly-home: I was hoping to use ssmtp (was using nullmailer to describe the type of program) |
| 18:57.11 | cali | How can I force a process to use a specific interface/ip? |
| 18:57.13 | homekevin | tonytraductor: There are possible ways to invoke a browser (like xdg-open and sensible-browser) that try to "do the right thing" |
| 18:57.26 | tonytraductor | ah, yes, xdg-open $url will open the file in the default browser...hmmmm. that works |
| 18:57.33 | ksuhku | :) |
| 18:58.00 | homekevin | cali: Depends on the program |
| 18:58.09 | tonytraductor | hmmmm...you're right. sensible-browser $url also works. Weird. |
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| 18:58.16 | tonytraductor | both of those are using my default browser. |
| 18:58.20 | jelly-home | ner0x: heh |
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| 18:58.23 | homekevin | tonytraductor: FYI, sensible-browser is a Debian-specific thing |
| 18:58.37 | jelly-home | ner0x: well ssmtp.conf isn't rokcet science, either |
| 18:58.45 | homekevin | xdg-open is semi-standard, I think |
| 18:58.49 | tonytraductor | I just though that we'd have a var (which I cuold display with echo $var) for default browser (uyou know, like you can echo $PATH or whatever) |
| 18:58.52 | ner0x | jelly-home: Is it possible to use a nullmailer client to *not* connect to an smtp server and send it itself? |
| 18:59.04 | cali | homekevin, if the software has no option for that? |
| 18:59.09 | ksuhku | tonytraductor, I don't think there's one |
| 18:59.18 | tonytraductor | of these, xdg-open is probably more likely to work on more distros? |
| 18:59.26 | ner0x | jelly-home: I got it working but gmail suspended the email account for abuse (Which it was not being abused) |
| 18:59.29 | homekevin | tonytraductor: I thing so, yes |
| 18:59.46 | tonytraductor | that's a question I should ask...what way will work pretty well on any distro. |
| 19:00.06 | jelly-home | ner0x: you will have to ask gmail about that, I'm afraid |
| 19:00.07 | homekevin | cali: Then I don't see how you could do it. |
| 19:00.31 | homekevin | cali: I'm also not sure the question makes sense. |
| 19:00.51 | ner0x | jelly-home: I did, I'm trying to avoid using their smtp. Is it possible to have the nullmailer send the email directly? Or does it have to go through smtp? |
| 19:00.54 | homekevin | cali: Maybe if you could ask something more specific we could offer more insight. |
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| 19:01.40 | cali | homekevin, well, I'd just like to bind a process to a specific IP, in fact I'd like to forbid my instance of firefox from using my ipv4 in order to make some tests. |
| 19:02.55 | homekevin | cali: Firefox probably doesn't *bind* any address. That's something servers do. |
| 19:03.19 | n0sq | i went to adobe and downloaded the 64 bit flashplayer but i can't play music from radio.com (a link from music.aol.com) because it says i have a missing flashplayer but the adobe website shows that the plugin is installed - is it a problem with the flashplayer or with the website? |
| 19:03.19 | jmarsden | cali: You can run it in a virtual machine that only has IPv6 networking configured, for your testing. |
| 19:03.25 | homekevin | cali: Firefox just uses the socket layer, which selects the interface for a particular request |
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| 19:04.11 | cali | so there is no way to basically forbid a process from doing that? |
| 19:04.39 | homekevin | cali: Not that I can think of. |
| 19:04.54 | cali | oh, deception :'( |
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| 19:05.14 | jmarsden | Per-process firewalling? Seems an odd thing to do... you could probably do something clever in an iptables addon module if you want to write one to do it. |
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| 19:05.48 | cali | jmarsden, yes, I think I'll have to do that. |
| 19:05.50 | jelly-home | ner0x: no, you need a smarthost _somewhere_. Does your ISP not provide you with one? |
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| 19:06.18 | jmarsden | cali: Easier to just set up an IPv6-only VM, surely! |
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| 19:06.49 | ner0x | jelly-home: I don't believe so. So what happens if I install my own mail server on my server? |
| 19:07.08 | cali | jmarsden, yeah, I'm hesitating :-) |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | ner0x: if you have a dynamically assigned IP address, your mail gets blocked on many recipients' SMTP servers. |
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| 19:07.55 | ner0x | jelly-home: It's static, I have a domain pointed at it. |
| 19:08.14 | jelly-home | ner0x: you can use that, then |
| 19:08.34 | jmarsden | ner0x: If your server has a static public IP you can let it send directly to other hosts based on MX information. |
| 19:08.45 | jelly-home | ner0x: having valid and matching A and PTR records helps. |
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| 19:09.12 | ner0x | I haven't the foggiest idea of how to set up a nullmailer that uses localhost to send. |
| 19:09.13 | jelly-home | ner0x: so yeah, you can install a proper MTA like postfix and let it send mail directly |
| 19:09.26 | ner0x | jelly-home: Ah, MTA not nullmailer will have to be used. |
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| 19:09.45 | jmarsden | ner0x: if you have't the foggiest idea ... then don't try setting up a full blown mail server -- use a smarthost :) |
| 19:10.28 | jelly-home | he doesn't have a smarthost apparently |
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| 19:10.32 | ner0x | jmarsden: I would if I didn't have to send so many emails through the google apps email account. |
| 19:10.43 | ner0x | jelly-home: Define "smart host" ? |
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| 19:10.51 | ner0x | jelly-home: Google apps mail account? |
| 19:11.06 | jelly-home | ner0x: a SMTP server you can relay mail through |
| 19:11.09 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if this is the right venue for dev questions, but does anyone know if gnutls has any sort of option that enforces the server's choice of ciphers (as opposed to picking the first one listed by the client)? (openssl has an option SSL_OP_CIPHER_SERVER_PREFERENCE) |
| 19:11.25 | jmarsden | ner0x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_host # and please google for questions like that... |
| 19:11.26 | ksuhku | ner0x, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarthost |
| 19:11.28 | ner0x | jelly-home: My google apps SMTP server worked great, until they suspended the noreply account. |
| 19:12.17 | homekevin | itsnotabigtruck: I don't know, but wouldn't that violate the spec? |
| 19:12.43 | itsnotabigtruck | homekevin: it does, but it's also often what you want, because a lot of clients have frankly stupid preferences |
| 19:13.10 | homekevin | itsnotabigtruck: I can see that, but maybe the server should only offer sane ciphersuites. |
| 19:13.11 | itsnotabigtruck | and the client can't tell you violated the spec :) |
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| 19:13.20 | jmarsden | itsnotabigtruck: if the server's list only contains "non-stupid" options, only a non-stupid option can be selected by the client. |
| 19:13.45 | jmarsden | itsnotabigtruck: so just set the server's lisy to whatever you consider "non-stupid". |
| 19:13.51 | davorb | hey guys, i can't find lex and yacc using apt-cache search. how/where do i find it? |
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| 19:14.31 | jmarsden | davorb: flex and bison are the packages you seek, I think. |
| 19:14.54 | itsnotabigtruck | jmarsden: yeah, but some non-stupid options are better than others, and compatibility is an issue; for example, say i want ECDHE-RSA, then DHE-RSA, then plain RSA - some clients won't pick ECDHE-RSA even when they support it |
| 19:14.54 | homekevin | well, flex and bison are not technically lex and yacc |
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| 19:15.13 | homekevin | It looks like yacc might be in the package byacc |
| 19:15.21 | jelly-home | and gnu is technically not unix |
| 19:15.49 | jmarsden | homekevin: flex and bison are open source packages that will do the job that was in historical times done by lex and yacc. |
| 19:15.56 | homekevin | flex and bison are ofter preferable, of course. |
| 19:16.17 | itsnotabigtruck | jmarsden: but ECDHE-RSA is super new so a lot of clients don't support it, and some clients don't do DHE-RSA either |
| 19:16.20 | homekevin | It's just not what davorb asked for |
| 19:16.55 | jmarsden | itsnotabigtruck: so you want a way to say "do my favorite cipher, and if you don't support t,. magically start supporting it?" That's unrealistic :) |
| 19:16.55 | homekevin | I'm not sure if the traditional lex is in the repos |
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| 19:17.03 | jelly-home | homekevin: what the user needs and what the user writes may be wildly different |
| 19:17.13 | ksuhku | usually is |
| 19:17.15 | homekevin | jelly-home: Of course. |
| 19:17.32 | homekevin | So I like to attempt to answer both, just in case. |
| 19:17.36 | jmarsden | homekevin: I admit it, I interpreted the request, so as to provide a useful answer. |
| 19:17.43 | itsnotabigtruck | jmarsden: nah, just have the server choose the most favorite cipher that works :p which is realistic because the server tells the client which cipher to use |
| 19:17.52 | jelly-home | jmarsden++ |
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| 19:18.17 | davorb | jmarsden: yeah, i solved it. it appears that after i did "rehash" it worked. thanks anyway |
| 19:18.38 | jmarsden | davorb: You're welcome. |
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| 19:24.25 | nvz | for some odd reason today when I connected this TV to my netbook, disabled the built in display and set the external to 1360x768 the native res of this tv, the fonts are all choppy like its not in the right resolution or something |
| 19:25.22 | xingu | nvz: frequently the framebuffer on the other end of the hdmi/dp/dvi input is on the wrong end of the upscaler and has a pc resolution. |
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| 19:25.46 | xingu | nvz: if you want 1:1 pixel mapping without thinking about it buy the same panel sold as a "monitor" instead. |
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| 19:27.46 | nvz | xingu: so you're saying its the tv doing it then? |
| 19:27.59 | xingu | nvz: in all probability |
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| 19:28.13 | nvz | maybe if I disconnect and reconnect it a few times it will sort itself out.. heh |
| 19:28.16 | xingu | nvz: try feeding it 480p instead and see how you fare |
| 19:28.28 | nvz | idk what 480p even is |
| 19:28.32 | itsnotabigtruck | nvz: what input to the tv are you using |
| 19:28.36 | nvz | I got it hooked up with a vga cable |
| 19:28.42 | itsnotabigtruck | 480p = something x 480 resolution |
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| 19:29.05 | itsnotabigtruck | somewhere around 853 x 480 it looks like |
| 19:29.16 | xingu | nvz: 704x480 if widescreen, 640x480 if not |
| 19:29.16 | nvz | yeah well when I studied this crap we just called stuff what it is, we didn't have so little time we had to abbreviate everything |
| 19:29.20 | nvz | heh |
| 19:29.30 | jelly-home | nvz: for a start, does the display use the native resoultion? |
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| 19:30.03 | itsnotabigtruck | nvz: the vga cable |
| 19:30.05 | itsnotabigtruck | there's your problem |
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| 19:30.14 | nvz | well as far as I know 1360x768 IS the native resolution of this thing, its what has looked right and not distorted the past few days I've been using it, this is the first time its done this |
| 19:30.17 | itsnotabigtruck | a lot of tv's have really bad vga input support |
| 19:30.49 | itsnotabigtruck | if your computer has dvi or hdmi out you ought to be able to connect it to one of the tv's digital inputs, not sure about displayport |
| 19:30.50 | shbk | hello, I've found function man 2 getcpu. I included it successful, but when I compile I receive error: no such function. I opened file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/getcpu.h and noticed that there are not any description of funcition, only this http://paste.debian.net/128405/ |
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| 19:31.00 | shbk | what is this ? |
| 19:31.02 | itsnotabigtruck | nvz: but you said it's a netbook so you probably don't have those, right |
| 19:31.06 | xingu | a lot of tv's run the vga input through an adc then park the result into exactly the same framebuffer that the far end of the dvi/dp/hdmi input unclocks into. |
| 19:31.27 | nvz | well the video card on this thing never really worked right.. about every few days it randomly craps out.. on lenny I used to still be able to get to console but no degree of manipulating the kernel or anything could get X to run again.. now in squeeze it just goes black when that happens.. and I have to reboot it |
| 19:31.52 | nvz | it IS a netbook, Intel 945GME its a piece of crap.. heh |
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| 19:31.54 | itsnotabigtruck | xingu: hmm, my experience is that vga in = fuzzy picture, or often you can't even select the native resolution |
| 19:31.57 | shbk | hello, I've found function man 2 getcpu. I included it successful, but when I compile I receive error: no such function. I opened file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-33/include/linux/getcpu.h and noticed that there are not any description of funcition, only this http://paste.debian.net/128405/ . what is this? there is function? |
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| 19:32.27 | andermetalsh | Anyone can't help me with Synaptic ? |
| 19:32.29 | itsnotabigtruck | shbk: we got it the first time, i'm looking at the paste now |
| 19:32.41 | nvz | hmm just unplugging the cable and putting it back in solved the issue, so I guess xingu was probably right about the issue |
| 19:32.50 | xingu | itsnotabigtruck: quite likely; if the display is an lcd panel, there's an adc in between the vga port and the driver, and that's just how it is. |
| 19:32.52 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: what's the issue? |
| 19:33.23 | itsnotabigtruck | xingu: right, but it isn't that bad on a monitor intended for computers, that's the thing - sure, it's fuzzier than dvi, but it's a different order of magnitude |
| 19:33.32 | itsnotabigtruck | but i'm hardly a video expert /shrug |
| 19:33.43 | andermetalsh | this error: E: The value 'unstable-snapshots' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 19:33.43 | andermetalsh | E: _cache->open() failed, please report. |
| 19:33.43 | andermetalsh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:34.04 | andermetalsh | my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/128406/ |
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| 19:34.07 | xingu | itsnotabigtruck: that part of the tv rarely gets much money spent on it, hence the suggestion to make your pc mimic as closely as possible a dvd player. :) |
| 19:34.19 | itsnotabigtruck | shbk: you're not supposed to use that directly from your program, if i'm reading that comment right |
| 19:34.43 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: that's weird, check your /etc/apt/preferences |
| 19:34.44 | nvz | andermetalsh: yo're running sid, so step 1 is to check the BTS, step 2 is to file a bug |
| 19:34.57 | itsnotabigtruck | excuse me, /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:34.58 | hXm | hi, I'm trying to connect a vnc server, mouse and keyboard doesn't works |
| 19:35.00 | hXm | what can i do |
| 19:35.05 | hXm | im uisng gvncviewer |
| 19:35.16 | shbk | itsnotabigtruck: I use it, such :http://paste.debian.net/128407/ |
| 19:35.28 | itsnotabigtruck | i haven't seen that unstable-snapshots before |
| 19:35.38 | itsnotabigtruck | is that a real thing, or some anomaly |
| 19:35.44 | andermetalsh | I have no apt.conf |
| 19:36.07 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: hmm, ok, fire up synaptic again and go into the settings, somewhere there's an option that lets you pick your default release |
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| 19:36.21 | xingu | itsnotabigtruck: nb, the biggest problem with vga (whether on monitor or as an analogue input) is signal ringing; that's where the ghosting comes from; to reduce it, reduce signal bandwidth to something the circuitry can deal with; simply backing off refresh rate and going to a 16bpp or 15bpp visual can be astonishingly effective. |
| 19:36.24 | itsnotabigtruck | change it to unstable or sid or whatever it lets you choose |
| 19:36.25 | andermetalsh | I can't go to synaptic's seetings anymore |
| 19:36.39 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, it won't even start? that's tricky, where does synaptic store its configuration? |
| 19:36.58 | somiaj | it just uses the apt configurations |
| 19:37.13 | wols | shbk: you don't use it at all. the code of this function is inside the kernel, how do you propose to call such a function from a userland program? |
| 19:37.15 | nvz | andermetalsh: this kind of thing will happen in sid on more than a daily basis.. if you can't handle it you should reconsider running sid. |
| 19:37.31 | itsnotabigtruck | somiaj: ah ok, is there an apt.conf.d type thing? |
| 19:37.40 | itsnotabigtruck | if so andermetalsh: look for settings there too |
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| 19:37.50 | andermetalsh | yes but it is empty |
| 19:37.51 | somiaj | itsnotabigtruck: /etc/apt/ |
| 19:37.53 | shbk | wols: as usual function , just getcpu(cpu,node,tcache); |
| 19:38.01 | shbk | from c++ program of cource |
| 19:38.27 | itsnotabigtruck | somiaj: i meant /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, it looks like that does exist |
| 19:38.28 | wols | shbk: again, how do you propose to call it? in what library is it (e.g. with what library for this function do you want to link your program?) |
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| 19:38.40 | somiaj | itsnotabigtruck: yup |
| 19:38.54 | somiaj | itsnotabigtruck: though you can use a single config file apt.conf as well |
| 19:39.09 | shbk | wols: here is written that this function lies in <linux/getcpu.h> http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man2/getcpu.2.html |
| 19:39.20 | itsnotabigtruck | are you guys sure synaptic can't override apt settings with its own settings? i know for sure that synaptic has an option in its settings to control the default release |
| 19:39.28 | shbk | I opened this file, but this function is undefined |
| 19:39.30 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's entirely possible it stores that in gconf or something and tells apt to use that |
| 19:39.31 | valdyn | shbk: the kernel headers are not for you to use |
| 19:39.34 | andermetalsh | I only have a 10periodic file on apt.conf.d |
| 19:39.45 | wols | shbk: no it does not "lie" there. header files are declarations, not implementations. again. where is this function? how to you want to call it, in what library? |
| 19:39.52 | andermetalsh | http://paste.debian.net/128409/ |
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| 19:40.11 | itsnotabigtruck | wols: close enough |
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| 19:40.32 | wols | itsnotabigtruck: huh? |
| 19:40.42 | shbk | wols: I think I 've it in kernel's library |
| 19:40.50 | shbk | or nor? |
| 19:40.50 | somiaj | itsnotabigtruck: that just sounds bad, maybe some of the preferences settings but the major sources.list it better share with apt. That way the same sources are being used despite if apt-get/aptitude or synapitic is being called. |
| 19:40.55 | itsnotabigtruck | wols: well, of course the function itself isn't in the header file, but the declaration is supposed to be there if the man file is to be believed |
| 19:40.56 | shbk | what should I do? |
| 19:41.01 | wols | shbk: there is no "kernel's library". all there is is the kernel. and you cannot call it directly from userland |
| 19:41.01 | itsnotabigtruck | wols: which is what he meant |
| 19:41.12 | itsnotabigtruck | wols: the man file says it's a syscall |
| 19:41.15 | wols | shbk: you should not use this function since you can't |
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| 19:41.51 | valdyn | shbk: you should read the manpage, it tells you how to call it |
| 19:42.15 | shbk | ha |
| 19:42.21 | itsnotabigtruck | shbk: yeah, just use the man page and see if it works |
| 19:42.25 | itsnotabigtruck | getcpu(...) |
| 19:42.34 | shbk | this : Glibc does not provide a wrapper for this system call; call it using syscall(2); or use sched_getcpu(3) instead. am I on the right way? |
| 19:42.44 | valdyn | shbk: yes |
| 19:43.30 | valdyn | shbk: and do you really need this? its going to make your software unportable.. |
| 19:43.34 | itsnotabigtruck | shbk: is there some reason you need to know which cpu you're running on? |
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| 19:43.55 | shbk | yes, it's my homework, I must to do this in c++ |
| 19:44.02 | shbk | I know how to do this in bash |
| 19:44.06 | shbk | but this isn't my way |
| 19:44.12 | valdyn | shbk: thats not really c++, but i guess that doesnt matter |
| 19:44.17 | andermetalsh | where does synaptic store its config? |
| 19:44.18 | itsnotabigtruck | normally you instead set the "affinity" of the thread |
| 19:44.21 | shbk | or c |
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| 19:44.25 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. tell the thread to run on a particular cpu |
| 19:44.27 | shbk | you are right |
| 19:44.44 | itsnotabigtruck | instead you're trying to check which cpu you're running on, which is the opposite |
| 19:45.08 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: no clue, try opening gconf-editor and poking around for anything that looks like it belongs to synaptic |
| 19:46.14 | andermetalsh | I think synaptic does not use gconf |
| 19:46.25 | itsnotabigtruck | oh wait |
| 19:46.28 | shbk | eh, you are right, I need as more info about system as possible, so I learn whole man 2 |
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| 19:46.34 | itsnotabigtruck | edit /root/.synaptic/synaptic.conf |
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| 19:47.43 | shbk | moreover, I do system call at first time) |
| 19:48.16 | itsnotabigtruck | also what on earth happened to the ubuntu forum, all links to it from google yield a login prompt |
| 19:48.27 | xingu | you could always just pull the processor field out of /proc/${pid}/stat, but that's probably just too easy, eh? |
| 19:49.02 | itsnotabigtruck | shbk: you don't have to memorize the entire manual >_> just reread your assignment and figure out what it's REALLY trying to have you do, then search out how to do it in your program |
| 19:49.43 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: does that config file exist, and if so, find anything interesting there? |
| 19:50.13 | andermetalsh | itsnotabigtruck, surprisinly, I have no related config file /etc/apt |
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| 19:50.35 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: no, the /root/.synaptic/synaptic.conf |
| 19:50.48 | andermetalsh | but the problem about a fake unstable-snapshots, still exists |
| 19:50.53 | andermetalsh | I have /root/.synaptic/synaptic.conf file |
| 19:50.57 | andermetalsh | * I have not |
| 19:51.02 | itsnotabigtruck | so what's in it |
| 19:51.04 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, it's not there, ok |
| 19:51.43 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: try starting aptitude from the terminal > sudo aptitude |
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| 19:51.52 | itsnotabigtruck | see if it fails with a similar error |
| 19:51.56 | andermetalsh | aptitude works |
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| 19:51.59 | andermetalsh | also does wajig |
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| 19:53.31 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: try sudo su -c 'echo "APT::Default-Release \"unstable\";" > /etc/apt/apt.conf' |
| 19:53.32 | andermetalsh | ok, I purged it and reinstalled again, now .synaptic.conf was recreated |
| 19:54.00 | andermetalsh | itsnotabigtruck, now works, thanks :D :D :D |
| 19:54.20 | xingu | wols: technically klibc is part of the kernel ;) |
| 19:54.20 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: did the apt.conf do it, or the purge? anyway, cool |
| 19:54.33 | andermetalsh | itsnotabigtruck, apt.conf tweak |
| 19:54.47 | itsnotabigtruck | weird that it defaulted to unstable-snapshots, that does sound like a bug |
| 19:54.57 | andermetalsh | btw, my other issue is with propietary nvidia drivers, but hope nouveau sends that crappy binary blob to hell |
| 19:54.58 | itsnotabigtruck | but you said anything but synaptic was working? |
| 19:55.07 | andermetalsh | I cant upgrade my xorg server ... |
| 19:55.22 | andermetalsh | well, itsnotabigtruck , I am using nvidia drivers from testing ... |
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| 19:55.50 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, i've never had trouble with the nvid driver, but i haven't used it in a while |
| 19:56.07 | itsnotabigtruck | my experience is that binary blob or not, it's still the highest quality gfx driver that exists for linux |
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| 19:56.16 | andermetalsh | new xorg ABI breaks very badly with nvidia drivers |
| 19:56.50 | itsnotabigtruck | :( that's no good |
| 19:57.56 | andermetalsh | and nouveau gets better every day ... |
| 19:58.51 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: the problem is that it's a reverse engineering project and due to that it's doomed to always be behind the official driver |
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| 19:59.33 | itsnotabigtruck | even if nouveau gets to the point where it's rock solid on today's cards, a new model comes out and it's back to square one, or square two anyway |
| 19:59.49 | andermetalsh | itsnotabigtruck, well, ATI with Radeon and Gallium it has 90% of performance of FGLRX ... |
| 20:00.00 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not that big of a deal if you aren't serious about gaming, but a lot of people would like linux to become a viable platform for such |
| 20:00.15 | n0sq | turns out my flash problem was that i have a 32 bit version of firefox and i was trying to use a 64 bit version of flashplayer with it |
| 20:00.18 | itsnotabigtruck | aren't all the open source ati drivers incompatible with modern ati cards too? |
| 20:00.20 | itsnotabigtruck | 5000/6000 series |
| 20:00.36 | andermetalsh | I dont know why Nvidia does not open their drivers, they sell hardware, not software ... |
| 20:00.51 | andermetalsh | itsnotabigtruck, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 20:00.57 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: hdcp, and paranoia that ati can use the sekrits embedded within the driver to gain an edge |
| 20:01.11 | itsnotabigtruck | the former is yet another reason why hdcp is teh evil |
| 20:01.34 | itsnotabigtruck | in the case of the latter, nvidia has little to gain by going oss and potentially has something to lose |
| 20:01.52 | itsnotabigtruck | also nvidia is extremely secretive about all their products, even by semiconductor industry standards |
| 20:02.20 | andermetalsh | so why AMD/ATI is collaborating a little with OSS drivers? |
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| 20:02.53 | itsnotabigtruck | andermetalsh: so it looks like the drivers recently gained 5000/6000 support but the 3d support is definitely "kinda sorta" |
| 20:03.03 | Trewas | andermetalsh: because they can't be bothered to write a working driver themself, like nvidia |
| 20:03.06 | itsnotabigtruck | sure, it works, but it's a waste of an expensive piece of hardware |
| 20:03.47 | itsnotabigtruck | does anybody have any questions that got pushed off the screen by the graphics chitchat, heh |
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| 20:06.48 | itsnotabigtruck | this is weird, my dnssec resolver suddenly decided it doesn't like google.com anymore |
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| 20:11.22 | n0sq | hates proprietary drivers |
| 20:11.43 | itsnotabigtruck | n0sq: yeah, it's a no win situation |
| 20:11.52 | n0sq | can't get my wireless card working right off the installation CD |
| 20:11.59 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: that's not entirely true |
| 20:12.04 | itsnotabigtruck | the only way out is for semi firms to design their products in such a fashion that the driver's don't have to contain anything sensitive |
| 20:12.09 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: the open source radeon drivers have no problem keeping up with all the new cards |
| 20:12.19 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: the problem is that the open source drivers do not rival the proprietary work on performance |
| 20:12.33 | n0sq | not to mention that i had to upgrade the kernel from tarball to make my wireless card work |
| 20:12.38 | pipeline | itsnotabigtruck: nouveau will very likely improve by leaps and bounds in the near future. But it will probably still not be as fast as nvidia :( |
| 20:13.13 | nsadmin | n0sq, do you have wired? |
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| 20:14.20 | itsnotabigtruck | n0sq: which card? |
| 20:14.23 | n0sq | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:14.27 | itsnotabigtruck | which kernel version? |
| 20:14.33 | n0sq | 3.0.4 |
| 20:14.45 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, so it's not because you're using something ancient, heh |
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| 20:15.12 | n0sq | the stock kerenl wasn't current enuff |
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| 20:15.16 | somiaj | n0sq: what wireless card -- have you installed the firmware for it? |
| 20:15.30 | itsnotabigtruck | n0sq: that's what i meant, what version was the stock kernel |
| 20:15.34 | itsnotabigtruck | not the one you built from source |
| 20:15.46 | somiaj | n0sq: if you get the 'only free software' insatller you could just be missing the firmware, not nescirally needing a new kernel version |
| 20:15.46 | n0sq | somiaj: yes. i have the firmware - the stock kernel wouldn't load it |
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| 20:15.53 | somiaj | n0sq: ok just double checking. |
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| 20:17.55 | BernardV | Does anyone know how to slow down a nvidia GTS 250 fan? I have a box with no X, just runs as a home server, but the fan runs at 100%.. tried nvclock but it says that the card isn't supported. |
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| 20:19.07 | itsnotabigtruck | BernardV: if you have the nvidia proprietary drivers they have a control panel that i think has options for that |
| 20:19.31 | BernardV | itsnotabigtruck: Yeah that's true, but then I have to install X :) |
| 20:19.45 | p_quarles | BernardV: remove the GTS250; problem solved :) |
| 20:19.57 | ksuhku | BernardV, or mechanically block the fan! |
| 20:20.16 | BernardV | ksuhku: Hmm.. buring the coils ;) No thnx.. |
| 20:20.25 | p_quarles | probably not a good idea; if it's plugged in, potentially generating a lot of heat |
| 20:20.39 | BernardV | Bu p_quarles could look at that yeah.. let me see if the bios has an option to boot without video |
| 20:21.00 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, for a headless box ripping out the gts sounds like a good idea |
| 20:21.26 | itsnotabigtruck | unless you really need to use the terminal locally |
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| 20:21.47 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think you can actually depower the card from the bios |
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| 20:21.50 | itsnotabigtruck | so the fan will still go |
| 20:22.37 | BernardV | itsnotabigtruck: No it sits on the attic, no need for local term.. only if I would brake something, well then the GTS is plugged in easly.. |
| 20:22.49 | BernardV | Never thought of that option.. how stupid :P |
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| 20:23.24 | Somelauw | I think my external harddisk might be broken. Can someone please look at it? These are the bottom lines of my syslog: http://pastebin.com/XdEh6CwS |
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| 20:23.48 | p_quarles | BernardV: there are lower powered GPUs with passive cooling that would be better as failsafe display adapters |
| 20:23.53 | PerfDave | I thought the card fan wouldn't go on, if there was no monitor connection... |
| 20:23.58 | dvs | HD 5450 |
| 20:24.27 | nkuttler | Somelauw: i/o error is usually a bad drive |
| 20:24.53 | nkuttler | Somelauw: could maybe be the cable too i guess |
| 20:25.00 | BernardV | p_quarles: I know.. but buying something you don't use is a waste of money.. If the ripping out the gts isn't working I could try that.. and I maybe even have an old PCI S3 card somewhere... |
| 20:25.06 | nsadmin | n0sq, so just use wired to install and get your wireless working after |
| 20:27.13 | BernardV | PerfDave: Maybe on a good card :P But not on this one... |
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| 20:28.38 | tabakhase | hu, im having multiple servers, i need to centralize my loging, theres a lot on the net (syslog-ng, rsyslog, prelude, scribe...) but any personal recomends? im thinking about reading apache,nginx,syslog,(mysql), some other ones and some more custom ones. configuring these with an interface/regexp would be fine, best with defaults attached. desired application should do both, or analyze or, |
| 20:28.45 | tabakhase | most interesting now: transfer |
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| 20:29.05 | BernardV | But thnx all for the tips.. I use this box as a TV server (DVB-C card etc) and DLNA.. works like a charm, but the fans are killing (when I'm in bed :P) |
| 20:29.12 | PerfDave | I've used syslog-ng for logging multiple boxes, along with logwatch and logcheck to look for interesting lines. |
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| 20:29.29 | Somelauw | nkuttler: Thanks. The cable seems fine. In practice I have trouble accessing it. (Operations like ls take forever sometimes but work at other times). It was made by hitachi and formatted as ntfs. (I didn't change this to ext4 since I have to use it on a windows computer too). |
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| 20:33.23 | n0sq | nsadmin: i shouldn't have to use the wired to get the wireless working |
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| 20:34.07 | wols | tabakhase: debian uses rsyslog |
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| 20:35.22 | tabakhase | wols rsyslog "keeps" the normal reguolar files and just syncronise them timeByTime, do they? |
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| 20:38.41 | Cynix01 | #flood |
| 20:39.13 | Cynix01 | speak german or english here ? |
| 20:39.18 | PerfDave | Cynix01: English |
| 20:39.20 | itsnotabigtruck | n0sq: i suppose so but that's the price for living on the edge of linux :p besides, on any other platform it's normal to have to download a driver |
| 20:39.22 | PerfDave | !de |
| 20:39.23 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:39.31 | Cynix01 | i have made a virtualhost to phpmyadmin |
| 20:39.49 | Cynix01 | but it doesnt work it loads file named "Download" |
| 20:39.52 | Cynix01 | in my browser |
| 20:40.03 | itsnotabigtruck | ugh, the build-deps for this package i'm trying to build are 1 gig installed |
| 20:40.11 | itsnotabigtruck | (it wants to install a full tex setup) |
| 20:40.38 | itsnotabigtruck | Cynix01: could be a lot of things, it's kinda hard to tell without config files |
| 20:40.50 | Cynix01 | ok can i post you via pm ? |
| 20:41.05 | Cynix01 | or in #flood ? |
| 20:41.16 | itsnotabigtruck | how about throwing it on https://crypty.ch/ and linking it here, redact anything sensitive first |
| 20:41.29 | itsnotabigtruck | there's also an official pastebin for this channel i think |
| 20:41.30 | Cynix01 | ok |
| 20:42.42 | Cynix01 | crypt.ch doesnt work |
| 20:42.58 | Cynix01 | now |
| 20:43.03 | itsnotabigtruck | works on my end, did you get the y in there? |
| 20:43.03 | Cynix01 | i think isp problem ^^ |
| 20:43.08 | itsnotabigtruck | cryptY.ch |
| 20:43.36 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, whatever, just use this one http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 20:43.48 | itsnotabigtruck | tick the hidden box so google doesn't index it |
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| 20:44.12 | Cynix01 | how i mark all @ nano ? |
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| 20:44.51 | itsnotabigtruck | i think you have to just select a bit at a time and paste it into your browser, or scp the file to your system, or use a graphical editor |
| 20:44.57 | ompaul | Cynix01: you want to find them all for a replacement or some such? |
| 20:45.17 | Cynix01 | ? |
| 20:45.21 | itsnotabigtruck | ompaul: i think he means to select the entire file for copying to the clipboard, from nano |
| 20:45.40 | Cynix01 | yes |
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| 20:46.19 | itsnotabigtruck | Cynix01: just do the part related to your virtual host i guess |
| 20:46.34 | Cynix01 | ok |
| 20:46.39 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i probably can't help you anyway, i've totally burned out on web server troubleshooting |
| 20:46.41 | Cynix01 | i load with winscp |
| 20:46.49 | dvs | !pastebinit |
| 20:46.50 | itsnotabigtruck | have had to do enough of that on my own stuff :p but someone else can help i'm sure |
| 20:46.50 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 20:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | oh cool, i wonder which pastebins that supports |
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| 20:47.43 | Cynix01 | ohh thank you |
| 20:47.44 | Cynix01 | ^^ |
| 20:48.24 | itsnotabigtruck | i ought to see if i can patch that to support cryptych |
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| 20:51.42 | lilith | anyone know if the upand comign d-i makes a bootable istall onto a based EFI PC? |
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| 20:52.27 | Cynix01 | ... /etc/apache2/apache2.conf >> http://pastebin.com/2uMS4mbT |
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| 20:53.00 | itsnotabigtruck | cynix01: where's the part for your phpmyadmin |
| 20:53.07 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe it's in /etc/apache2/sites-available/something ? |
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| 20:53.39 | Cynix01 | .. /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ >> http://pastebin.com/pUVt9HJJ |
| 20:53.57 | Cynix01 | yes there i have at the end of lines |
| 20:54.01 | Cynix01 | created vhost |
| 20:54.09 | Cynix01 | pma.mydomain.... |
| 20:54.11 | Cynix01 | blah |
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| 20:54.25 | itsnotabigtruck | btw don't use pastebin.com, everyone uses it because it was the first one around, but it's garbage |
| 20:54.49 | seb82 | playing around with pulseaudio... but still no audio on the client... |
| 20:55.01 | itsnotabigtruck | make sure you have namevirtualhost or whatever it's called on |
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| 20:55.01 | Cynix01 | then say me other free programm |
| 20:55.07 | Cynix01 | like pastebinit |
| 20:55.08 | Cynix01 | :P |
| 20:55.18 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i think pastebinit can upload to a bunch of other sites |
| 20:55.20 | itsnotabigtruck | check out the man page |
| 20:55.24 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not a big deal though |
| 20:55.25 | yogi | anybody installed debian recently on a machine with radeon 3xxx series? |
| 20:55.35 | itsnotabigtruck | yogi: ...nope, what's the prob though? |
| 20:55.43 | yogi | I have just installed it, and on the first boot (either normal or recovery) I have a mostly white screen with lots of dots |
| 20:55.46 | Cynix01 | but can you check pls |
| 20:55.50 | Cynix01 | my cfgs |
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| 20:56.02 | itsnotabigtruck | actually, i do have an ubuntu dual-boot on a 3470 laptop |
| 20:56.11 | Cynix01 | www.domain.com/phpmyadmin works |
| 20:56.12 | itsnotabigtruck | but that's not similar enough |
| 20:56.15 | Cynix01 | but vhost not |
| 20:56.15 | yogi | itsnotabigtruck: and the dots are moving about, even when I'm not touching the keyboard/mouse |
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| 20:56.26 | itsnotabigtruck | Cynix01: check out what's in that /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf |
| 20:56.30 | itsnotabigtruck | you might have to edit that |
| 20:56.31 | seb82 | the server seems to work on my laptop... but i can't get the virtual host to see it... |
| 20:56.37 | yogi | this is a desktop - Fedora 14 worked fine on it, but I wanted to go back to debian |
| 20:56.50 | yogi | is running debian on most machines |
| 20:56.59 | Cynix01 | you mean <virtual host> << the apache cfg form pma ? |
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| 20:57.06 | yogi | the trouble is - I can't get into recovery in text mode |
| 20:57.06 | Cynix01 | from |
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| 20:57.22 | seb82 | no... it's win7 running vbox win debian squeeze... |
| 20:57.43 | itsnotabigtruck | yogi: with kernel mode switching, when gfx drivers go bad, they go bad sooner |
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| 20:57.51 | itsnotabigtruck | so it could be the radeon driver blowing up before you start x |
| 20:58.16 | seb82 | could be me but wouldn't he need ATI drivers? |
| 20:58.22 | itsnotabigtruck | i think you can add something like radeon.bogus=1 (i think that's wrong, someone correct me) to kill the radeon driver |
| 20:58.22 | yogi | this is kernel 3.0.0-1 and whatever debian installed by default |
| 20:58.27 | seb82 | I've got this ATI Radeon 9000 IGP |
| 20:58.28 | itsnotabigtruck | into your grub boot line |
| 20:58.34 | ksuhku | yogi, try with the nomodeset kernel parameter |
| 20:58.45 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, yeah, that's a better idea |
| 20:59.07 | yogi | ksuhku: thanks - what are the side effects? |
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| 20:59.27 | ksuhku | well on my hw I get nice artefacts every now and then |
| 20:59.34 | ksuhku | besides that, no idea |
| 20:59.55 | ksuhku | I cannot suspend/hibernate without it though, so no contest |
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| 21:00.12 | yogi | ksuhku: don't care for suspend on the desktop |
| 21:00.18 | itsnotabigtruck | yogi: you want to get mode setting working eventually |
| 21:00.24 | itsnotabigtruck | because it's the future!(tm) |
| 21:00.30 | itsnotabigtruck | but for now this is good for testing, if it works |
| 21:00.39 | yogi | itsnotabigtruck: ok, here I go |
| 21:00.44 | yogi | bbl 8^) |
| 21:01.09 | seb82 | the server works flawlessly on my laptop which is the client for the virtual host |
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| 21:02.19 | itsnotabigtruck | seb82: what was your issue? |
| 21:02.37 | Cynix01 | it downloads still file "Download" << which doenst exist |
| 21:02.38 | Cynix01 | -.- |
| 21:02.42 | seb82 | my virtual system doesn't see the pulseaudio server |
| 21:02.52 | yogi | nomodeset did not help |
| 21:03.04 | yogi | I have the screen half black and half snow |
| 21:03.20 | yogi | and the mouse is a big white square |
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| 21:03.46 | itsnotabigtruck | awesome |
| 21:03.50 | yogi | Ctrl-Alt-F2 takes me to a "text" console that is half white half snow |
| 21:04.04 | itsnotabigtruck | yogi: boot into single user mode along with that |
| 21:04.08 | itsnotabigtruck | or recovery mode or whatever |
| 21:04.11 | itsnotabigtruck | just make sure x doesn't start |
| 21:04.28 | seb82 | A how-to told me to setup the server and client the same way... so i did |
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| 21:04.52 | seb82 | perhaps the sound on my virtual host is messed up |
| 21:04.54 | itsnotabigtruck | seb82: oh, can't help you there :( |
| 21:05.33 | itsnotabigtruck | just in case anyone knows, i'll shoot this again - does anyone know how to make gnutls use the server's choice of ciphers |
| 21:05.35 | yogi | itsnotabigtruck: nomodeset appended to the "linux" command line in grub did nothing |
| 21:05.49 | seb82 | how can i redo my sound setup? |
| 21:05.54 | itsnotabigtruck | rather than the client's (openssl has a configuration option that lets you do that) |
| 21:05.57 | yogi | I could boot with init="/bin/bash" but that seems extreme |
| 21:06.04 | Cynix01 | itsnotabigtruck before i have reinstalled all |
| 21:06.09 | Cynix01 | it works fine |
| 21:06.21 | Cynix01 | i think its problem with php + virtualhost |
| 21:06.48 | itsnotabigtruck | yogi: try it, see if it works |
| 21:07.37 | yogi | no Ctrl-Alt-Del in recovery mode? |
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| 21:08.00 | itsnotabigtruck | yogi: weird, i thought that's a kernel thing |
| 21:08.05 | itsnotabigtruck | it could be that x screwed something up |
| 21:08.09 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, there's always the reset button :) |
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| 21:08.20 | teh5abiking | Hey guys |
| 21:08.25 | yogi | cheerfully employed, of course |
| 21:08.27 | seb82 | it seems the dbus has issues on my virtual host |
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| 21:08.45 | yogi | OK booting with root=/bin/bash got me a text mode shell |
| 21:08.48 | itsnotabigtruck | hey teh5abiking |
| 21:08.53 | teh5abiking | Hey is it possible to run Debian natively outside of a chroot? |
| 21:08.55 | itsnotabigtruck | man, there's so many people here that tab complete barely works |
| 21:08.59 | teh5abiking | on Android devices? |
| 21:08.59 | seb82 | it cannot contact dbus |
| 21:09.14 | itsnotabigtruck | teh5abiking: lol, i was confused there w/o the android devices part |
| 21:09.35 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i'm sure it CAN be done, it's a question of whether the time to do it is measured in days, weeks, or months |
| 21:09.44 | Cynix01 | itsnotabigtruck ? |
| 21:09.48 | teh5abiking | I was able to get a chroot of Lenny running on my HTC Vision. |
| 21:09.50 | itsnotabigtruck | android is quite different from vanilla linux |
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| 21:10.10 | itsnotabigtruck | Cynix01: i can't really help you with this one |
| 21:10.13 | teh5abiking | I know, but Android is essentially made of ARM EABI, and Debian has support for the ARM architecture right? |
| 21:10.20 | itsnotabigtruck | just carefully examine your apache config |
| 21:10.39 | itsnotabigtruck | teh5abiking: it does but it won't have your device's kernel drivers, many of which are likely android specific |
| 21:10.53 | Cynix01 | have it before it works fine |
| 21:10.55 | Cynix01 | -.- |
| 21:11.00 | teh5abiking | hmm, true but the nexus one and the xoom are able to run debian natively. |
| 21:11.02 | itsnotabigtruck | nor all the userland stuff to make it work ok with the buttons and touchscreen and stuff |
| 21:11.14 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
| 21:11.22 | itsnotabigtruck | well anyway, my knowledge of that stuff is way out of date |
| 21:11.30 | seb82 | can someone tell how I can reinstall alsa and pulseaudio? |
| 21:11.51 | itsnotabigtruck | seb82: aptitude purge pulseaudio; aptitude install pulseaudio ? |
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| 21:11.54 | seb82 | debian also works on HD2... |
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| 21:12.07 | teh5abiking | So you meanin the meantime I'm stuck with the chroot on my HTC Vision? |
| 21:12.13 | seb82 | in android space aswell as standalone via haret... |
| 21:12.27 | itsnotabigtruck | teh5abiking: no clue myself |
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| 21:12.37 | teh5abiking | well thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:12.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a command to remove all leftover application configuration folders within my home folder or do I need to sort through them by hand? |
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| 21:13.06 | yogi | ksuhku: any more ideas about radeonhd? |
| 21:13.22 | ksuhku | yogi, not really no |
| 21:13.24 | seb82 | itsnotabigtuck: is apt-get also alright ;) |
| 21:13.35 | boobsbr | howdy, I'm trying to access a remote server through ssh, but can't login. the server accepts the telnet connection on the ssh port, greets me with the default message. but when I try to access it with ssh, it just hangs. what could be happening? |
| 21:13.58 | itsnotabigtruck | seb82: yeah, aptitude is just like a better apt-get but they're pretty much the same thing now |
| 21:14.10 | Selveste1 | LinuxGuy2009: apt-get autoremove |
| 21:14.21 | seb82 | because i do all my installing from prompt with apt-get... |
| 21:14.26 | yogi | how can I manually disable starting X at boot? |
| 21:14.44 | yogi | ISTR something about runlevels |
| 21:14.58 | pfred1 | yogi disable your DM |
| 21:15.05 | seb82 | boobsbr: you sure your ssh-server is up corrrectly? And the ports configured in your modem? |
| 21:15.23 | yogi | pfred1: update-rc.d ??? |
| 21:15.29 | Selveste1 | yogi: try install rcconf and disable X throug there |
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| 21:15.46 | pfred1 | yogi yeah don't start kdm or gdm |
| 21:16.05 | boobsbr | seb82: yeah, I used to login to this server nicely. |
| 21:16.06 | pat | I'm trying very unsuccessfully to setup a very barebones debian squeeze 6.0.2. There is always something wrong with the locales, whatever I do. Error messages do look like 'locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory'. I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, chose en_US.UTF-8 - locale-gen looked like it ran perfectly, or at least it didn't say otherwise. I pretty much do not know what to do anymore. |
| 21:16.06 | pfred1 | yogi and you should fall through to the console |
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| 21:16.32 | seb82 | boobsbr: did you do a recent upgrade? |
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| 21:17.03 | yogi | Selveste1: that worked |
| 21:17.13 | yogi | pfred1: ok, I'm about to reboot |
| 21:17.21 | itsnotabigtruck | boobsbr: it sounds like you have telnet running on your ssh port? |
| 21:17.27 | boobsbr | seb82: no, server is on 5.1 since installation |
| 21:17.38 | pfred1 | yogi you found how to stop it already? |
| 21:17.53 | yogi | pfred1: yes, using rcconf |
| 21:18.04 | pfred1 | yogi oh neat i never tried that good luck |
| 21:18.14 | Shadur | Is there a way of telling apt/aptitude that it's allowed to upgrade or soft hold a package but NEVER to delete it? It keeps trying solutions that involve deleting nvidia-glx |
| 21:18.27 | seb82 | boobbr: or updates? |
| 21:18.29 | yogi | I have disabled console-setup as well |
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| 21:18.33 | yogi | no luck! |
| 21:18.41 | boobsbr | seb82: weirdest thing: I just logged in on another server, and then logged to the first server, and it worked. |
| 21:18.41 | yogi | ok, boot again with nomodeset |
| 21:18.48 | seb82 | pt you still there? |
| 21:19.24 | boobsbr | seb82: well, this is gonna solve my problem, just needed to backup some stuff to decommission it |
| 21:19.32 | seb82 | boobsbr: good... |
| 21:19.41 | yogi | no workie |
| 21:19.46 | yogi | ;( |
| 21:19.46 | seb82 | pat: you still there? |
| 21:19.51 | yogi | nomodeset does not do anything |
| 21:19.52 | pat | seb82: I am indeed! |
| 21:19.55 | seb82 | okay |
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| 21:20.08 | seb82 | you're on version 6 already right? |
| 21:20.27 | pat | seb82: I am freshly installing using debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-CD-1 |
| 21:20.39 | Ningirsu | I deleted a partition of my hard drive and now when I open my computer I don't see the regular grub screen |
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| 21:20.48 | seb82 | pat: is it installed already barebone? Because i always do the same... but so far only with i36 |
| 21:20.52 | Ningirsu | I just see a grub-rescue thing |
| 21:21.08 | pat | seb82: In tasksel I chose SSH-Server and the last thing, whatever that was. Common tools whatever? |
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| 21:21.19 | qwd | I'm supposed to show the console output of starting an application from a terminal, is there a way I do a command and have everything end up in a text file? I'm using screen in gnome-terminal if that makes any difference. |
| 21:21.29 | seb82 | Ningirsu: erm which partition? |
| 21:21.47 | Ningirsu | btw, I'm using Trisquel but I'm asking this here 'cause we couldn't figure out a solution on Trisquel's room |
| 21:22.12 | itsnotabigtruck | Ningirsu: hmmm |
| 21:22.22 | itsnotabigtruck | was grub installed on the part you nuked? |
| 21:22.28 | itsnotabigtruck | remember that there's the mbr, and each partition has a regular br |
| 21:22.30 | seb82 | pat: when does it start nagging about locales? |
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| 21:22.35 | itsnotabigtruck | the mbr doesn't do much except load one of the boot records |
| 21:22.42 | Ningirsu | seb82: I'd created a partition to install another distro but I couldn't get that distro on live usb anyway so it was all empty |
| 21:22.43 | itsnotabigtruck | so if you had grub on the one that got deleted, bye bye grub |
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| 21:23.13 | pat | seb82: well, pretty much anytime I want to install any package using apt-get. Noticed it pretty big time when trying to install postgresql because it couldn't generate the cluster because of the locales |
| 21:23.18 | itsnotabigtruck | ningirsu: well, you can use your debian cd to reload grub |
| 21:23.23 | qwd | pat: according to tasksel --task-packages ssh-server it just installed openssh-server, but I might be wrong here. |
| 21:23.36 | seb82 | Ningirsu: i got with itsnotabigtruck |
| 21:23.38 | pat | qwd: I was hoping it would only do that, yes |
| 21:23.43 | Ningirsu | Nope grub wasn't on the partition I removed |
| 21:24.23 | Ningirsu | itsnotabigtruck: So how do I do that? I have but a Trisquel li |
| 21:24.26 | seb82 | pat: erm... finish installation... and see if you can do 'apt-get install locales' & 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 21:24.32 | itsnotabigtruck | seb82: hmm? |
| 21:24.32 | Ningirsu | ve USB |
| 21:24.47 | itsnotabigtruck | Ningirsu: your trisquel cd/dvd? |
| 21:24.59 | pat | seb82: The installation is finished - and the locales package is installed and I did dpkg-reconfigure locales already - it looks like everything is going fine - but it still doesn't fix the problem |
| 21:25.00 | seb82 | itsnotabigtruck: reinstalling grub |
| 21:25.06 | itsnotabigtruck | it probably lets you boot live |
| 21:25.16 | seb82 | pat: I had such an issue before... |
| 21:25.21 | itsnotabigtruck | or if it uses the old-skool debian-installer, it has a menu option for reinstalling grub |
| 21:25.42 | Ningirsu | itsnotabigtruck: My Trisquel live USB lets me boot live and actually I'm on that computer right now having done so |
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| 21:26.20 | pat | seb82: http://paste.debian.net/128416/ |
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| 21:26.27 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, is trisquel just a strictly dogmatic version of ubuntu, or does it have other advantages |
| 21:26.41 | seb82 | pat: check if /usr/bin/locale exists |
| 21:26.42 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, hmm |
| 21:26.55 | pat | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38632 Jan 23 2011 /usr/bin/locale |
| 21:27.03 | itsnotabigtruck | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows |
| 21:27.21 | itsnotabigtruck | see if you have System->Administration->Boot-Repair |
| 21:27.45 | seb82 | pat: i had the same problem... |
| 21:27.56 | itsnotabigtruck | ningirsu: also check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 |
| 21:27.56 | seb82 | pat: try installing libc-bin |
| 21:28.07 | itsnotabigtruck | that's old though, it's likely for grub 1.x |
| 21:28.16 | pat | seb82: libc-bin is already the newest version. |
| 21:28.21 | pat | Sorry ;) |
| 21:28.26 | Ningirsu | As far as I know, it's a dogmatic version: meaning that it supports only free software and drivers |
| 21:28.28 | seb82 | pat: what is the output of locale -a? |
| 21:28.35 | itsnotabigtruck | ningirsu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Methods_of_Reinstalling |
| 21:28.46 | pat | seb82: http://paste.debian.net/128417/ |
| 21:28.48 | itsnotabigtruck | Ningirsu: /me likes his evil proprietary software :p |
| 21:29.17 | itsnotabigtruck | that ubuntu page lists 4 or so methods of doing it |
| 21:29.36 | seb82 | pat: try apt-get install --reinstall locales |
| 21:30.11 | Ningirsu | I'll check the Ubuntu page out then |
| 21:30.31 | Ningirsu | and if that doesn't work,I'll write back |
| 21:30.59 | seb82 | Nigirsu: good luck! |
| 21:31.12 | pat | seb82: I do not think this changed anything :/ |
| 21:31.12 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, hope you get your setup up and running |
| 21:31.22 | seb82 | pat: now do locale-gen |
| 21:31.51 | pat | seb82: Still doesn't work. |
| 21:32.08 | seb82 | pat: now tell me what's in /etc/locale.gen |
| 21:32.32 | pat | seb82: The only thing not commented out is 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8' |
| 21:32.41 | seb82 | now do locale -a again |
| 21:33.05 | nvz | anyone have any idea where transmission stores its data such as config files and stuff like that so I can run it as if it were the first time? |
| 21:33.12 | pat | seb82: still the same - http://paste.debian.net/128418/ |
| 21:33.41 | pat | and yes, locale -a says utf8 and /etc/locale.gen utf-8 |
| 21:33.48 | pat | I honestly have no clue why. |
| 21:33.53 | boudiccas | nvz; transmission? |
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| 21:34.22 | seb82 | pat: let's try apt-get --reinstall libc-bin |
| 21:34.38 | nvz | boudiccas: gnome bittorrent client |
| 21:34.50 | boudiccas | nvz; ah thanks |
| 21:34.54 | pat | seb82: Nope :/ |
| 21:35.00 | itsnotabigtruck | nvz: probably ~/.something or gconf |
| 21:35.15 | pat | I feel rather stupid already. But I've been sitting here reinstalling debian 3 times already because I simply can't believe that a ordinary installed debian should have such a problem. |
| 21:35.24 | itsnotabigtruck | so do an ls -la ~/ and see if you find anything strikingly obvious |
| 21:35.26 | nvz | itsnotabigtruck: yeah Im not a newbie.. heh. I've been lingering in this channel for like 12 years and I'm linux certified.. I thought to check the obvious ;) |
| 21:35.33 | pfred1 | nvz there is a hidden directory in your home directory |
| 21:35.37 | Ningirsu | itsnotabigtruck, : I don't have boot repair as a software on my live Trisquel :/ |
| 21:35.42 | nvz | pfred1: no crap ;) |
| 21:35.56 | pfred1 | nvz so the stuff isn't in there? |
| 21:35.59 | seb82 | pat: i know the feeling but like I said... I had the same issue before |
| 21:36.03 | itsnotabigtruck | Ningirsu: yeah, it looks like it's not included by default, so you can add a ppa and install the package, or do one of the other methods in the ubuntu article |
| 21:36.04 | nvz | pfred1: where? |
| 21:36.15 | pfred1 | nvz in the hidden dir in your home dir |
| 21:36.17 | itsnotabigtruck | arrrgh, this package build is taking ages |
| 21:36.26 | itsnotabigtruck | nvz: how about gconf-editor? |
| 21:36.30 | nvz | there is no ~/.transmission or ~/.gnome/transmission or ~/.gnome2/transmission |
| 21:36.30 | boudiccas | nvz; /home/user/ ./transmission |
| 21:36.34 | seb82 | pat: try apt-get install locales-all |
| 21:36.37 | pat | seb82: My gut tells me that there's just some package missing - but I couldn't come up with anything that could be missing. |
| 21:36.44 | nvz | boudiccas: are you certain thats where it uses? |
| 21:36.54 | nvz | cause if so then its gone and there isn't a problem |
| 21:36.56 | boudiccas | i'm guessing but have a look at it |
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| 21:37.24 | pfred1 | nvz try .config/transmission |
| 21:37.52 | pat | seb82: still get errors when I type 'locale' - so I don't assume it is fixed |
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| 21:38.04 | nvz | pfred1: hah, there it is.. thanks |
| 21:38.19 | seb82 | pat: did it install locale-all? |
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| 21:38.23 | pfred1 | nvz I did a locate for a part of a share I am seeding to find it |
| 21:38.27 | pat | seb82: Yes, locale -a lists all locales now |
| 21:38.34 | seb82 | okay |
| 21:38.35 | pfred1 | nvz locate quake2_3.21 |
| 21:38.48 | seb82 | pat: now back from scratch... locales are trial and error sometimes... |
| 21:38.48 | pfred1 | nvz it dug up the torrent file |
| 21:39.11 | nvz | progrider: heh.. well the issue here is I didnt want it using anything from before I upgraded.. wanted to hose the config dir.. thanks |
| 21:39.17 | nvz | pfred1: ^ |
| 21:39.25 | seb82 | pat: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:39.29 | pfred1 | nvz sure np |
| 21:39.48 | nasstop | Is there a good site for debian squeeze gnome themes? |
| 21:39.51 | pat | seb82: just one question - why does dpkg-reconfigure locales say en_US.UTF-8 and locale -a en_US.utf8? |
| 21:40.46 | seb82 | pat: not sure, could be just how dpkg and locale refere to it |
| 21:41.00 | seb82 | pat: think it is identicle |
| 21:41.03 | pat | Could be. But yes, did a dpkg-reconfigure locales and it didn't change anything |
| 21:41.16 | pat | But if I do a export LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 the errors seem to be gone. |
| 21:41.18 | seb82 | redo locale-gen |
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| 21:42.34 | pat | seb82: The only thing that seems to fix the problem is doing export LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 |
| 21:42.56 | pat | Which really isn't a solution at all. |
| 21:43.12 | seb82 | pat: so it could be a bug... |
| 21:43.13 | itsnotabigtruck | btw, what's the proper way to mark a local package build |
| 21:43.22 | itsnotabigtruck | i've been using debchange -n (non-maintainer upload) |
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| 21:43.36 | pat | seb82: On a fresh debian install that happens on every install? |
| 21:44.01 | pfred1 | pat the only language environment variables I have are LANG=en_US.UTF-8 & GDM_LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 21:44.36 | pat | I really am so very much confused by all of this. |
| 21:44.48 | seb82 | pat: no... perhaps you need to download a newer image... |
| 21:44.59 | pat | seb82: It was the most recent one 2 hours ago |
| 21:45.05 | pfred1 | pat I don't have a variable caled LC_ALL at all |
| 21:45.58 | seb82 | pat: do you have issues with perl as well? |
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| 21:46.11 | pat | seb82: locale issues, you mean? |
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| 21:46.17 | seb82 | pat: yeah |
| 21:46.37 | pat | seb82: I honestly do not know. But I think I saw perl complaining about it too while installing some stuff. |
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| 21:47.27 | seb82 | pat: okay... perhaps it comes from there... so we gonna try something else |
| 21:48.01 | seb82 | pat: do 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install belocs-locales-bin belocs-locales-data' |
| 21:48.23 | pat | seb82: But it isn't limited to perl. I do not see how that could affect anything not perl |
| 21:48.25 | seb82 | pat: it will remove locales but no worries... |
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| 21:48.46 | seb82 | pat: they are mutually exclusive... lol |
| 21:49.09 | pat | seb82: http://paste.debian.net/128421/ |
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| 21:50.21 | taia | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.27 | ompaul | not today |
| 21:51.32 | seb82 | pat: what does echo $LANG give you? |
| 21:51.50 | pat | en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 21:52.03 | ompaul | judd versions belocs-locales-bin |
| 21:52.04 | judd | Package belocs-locales-bin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4-4 |
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| 21:52.42 | ompaul | that explains buckets |
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| 21:54.42 | pat | I really am very confused. I do nothing but start the virtual machine from the CD. Say I'm from Austria, but pretty please I would like an american keyboard. Say yes to everything until tasksel - deselect everything but ssh-server and the last option. |
| 21:56.01 | ompaul | pat: don't say deselect say choose - dselect is a program and people might not read it right |
| 21:56.23 | pat | Oh, hah, indeed. Sorry. |
| 21:56.24 | ompaul | pat: what version are you starting? |
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| 21:56.41 | pat | ompaul: 6.0.2, if you mean the debian version |
| 21:56.51 | seb82 | pat: perhaps you should redo the installation but give use the option to do the installation via SSH... |
| 21:57.01 | ompaul | pat: there is no such package in that verison |
| 21:57.13 | pat | seb82: I did re-do the installation several times already |
| 21:57.16 | pat | ompaul: Uh? |
| 21:57.17 | ompaul | these don't exist in squeeze belocs-locales-bin belocs-locales-data |
| 21:57.27 | pat | Oh, yes. That is not my problem. |
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| 21:57.32 | pat | That was a suggestion to fix my problem from seb82 |
| 21:57.36 | ompaul | ahh |
| 21:58.01 | seb82 | ompaul: my bad... |
| 21:58.53 | seb82 | pat:still it could be an issue with the cd... because about 2 weeks later I downloaded another cd-images and no locales issues |
| 21:59.03 | pat | seb82: I tried using a netinstall image before |
| 21:59.03 | ompaul | night |
| 21:59.57 | seb82 | okay |
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| 22:00.22 | seb82 | pat: another try...wot's the output of locate UTF-8? |
| 22:00.42 | pat | seb82: That the locate database isn't there ;) |
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| 22:02.04 | SerajewelKS | pat: what are you trying to do, change the keyboard layout? |
| 22:02.24 | pat | SerajewelKS: No, no. I am trying to get the locales to work properly after a fresh install of debian 6.0.2 |
| 22:02.42 | SerajewelKS | i see. in what way are they "not working?" |
| 22:03.47 | pat | SerajewelKS: 'locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory', 'locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory' - and lots of errors on installing packages, like http://paste.debian.net/128423/ |
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| 22:04.15 | SerajewelKS | pat: tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 22:04.28 | pat | SerajewelKS: Yes - without success. |
| 22:05.19 | seb82 | SerajewlKS: he did several times |
| 22:06.01 | pat | SerajewelKS: The only thing that seems to "fix" the problem - and I'm using fix very loosely - is if I do a export LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 |
| 22:06.04 | themill | pat: what's the output of "locale"? |
| 22:06.29 | pat | themill: http://paste.debian.net/128424/ |
| 22:07.03 | SerajewelKS | pat: what's the contents of /etc/default/locale? |
| 22:07.21 | themill | pat: how are you logging in? is this from a remote machine over ssh or on console or ...? |
| 22:07.44 | pat | SerajewelKS: http://paste.debian.net/128426/ |
| 22:08.03 | pat | themill: It is a virtual machine running on my MacBook Pro to which I am connected over ssh |
| 22:08.09 | itsnotabigtruck | later guys |
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| 22:08.15 | themill | macos does some stupid things with locales |
| 22:08.27 | SerajewelKS | pat: huh, weird |
| 22:08.31 | pat | themill: How should macos be able to influence my virtual machine? |
| 22:08.45 | pat | SerajewelKS: Exactly! |
| 22:08.52 | themill | LC_* and LANG are passed across the ssh connection for you |
| 22:08.59 | pat | Oh what. |
| 22:09.00 | seb82 | SerajewelKS: what's the default charmap to UTF-8? |
| 22:09.12 | SerajewelKS | seb82: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 22:09.30 | themill | pat: have a look at SendEnv in ssh_config(5) and AcceptEnv in sshd_config(5) |
| 22:09.36 | pat | themill: I did not know that. That does sound like it could very well be the problem. Thank you! |
| 22:09.52 | seb82 | SerajewlKS: could you do a locate UTF-8 on your system? |
| 22:09.55 | SerajewelKS | themill: i knew i didn't like OS X... |
| 22:10.34 | SerajewelKS | seb82: yes, i could. i'm not sure what useful information that would provide though. i use en-us.UTF-8 if that' what you're asking. |
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| 22:10.59 | SerajewelKS | that's* |
| 22:11.03 | seb82 | I'd like to know your charmap-location |
| 22:11.11 | SerajewelKS | en_US.UTF-8 rather |
| 22:11.47 | seb82 | e.g. /usr/share/i18n/charmaps |
| 22:11.54 | pat | I disabled AcceptEnv in my sshd_config because I can't be bothered to do anything else and everything is working perfectly now. I really thought I was going crazy. Thanks again, themill! |
| 22:12.09 | SerajewelKS | seb82: /usr/share/i18n/charmaps, yes |
| 22:12.32 | themill | pat: yeah, that's probably the easiest solution for you. Happy hunting. |
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| 22:15.20 | seb82 | pat: try this one first: sudo localedef -i en_US -f /usr/share/i18n/charmaps en_US |
| 22:15.31 | pat | seb82: My problem is fixed, but thank you! |
| 22:15.49 | seb82 | pat: great... |
| 22:16.32 | seb82 | pat: good luck |
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| 22:21.01 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i'm having a debian servers that host some software for me |
| 22:21.43 | ws2k3 | now i have a question if i use debian to host services for my customers. how full can i put a debian server? howmany processor useage is normale that my proces are still fast? |
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| 22:22.35 | brah | I have an USB->Serial adapter. |
| 22:22.42 | brah | lsusb lists it and /dev/ttyUSB0 is there. |
| 22:22.45 | brah | Does it mean it's working? |
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| 22:23.07 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: you want a load average that approaches 1, but does not exceed it, if memory serves |
| 22:23.37 | SerajewelKS | brah: should be, yes |
| 22:23.40 | pat | I would say a load average that approaches the number of cpu cores. |
| 22:23.59 | brah | SerajewelKS: Any way I can probe it without plugging in anything? |
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| 22:24.02 | SerajewelKS | pat: that sounds right. it's been a while since i've done tuning. |
| 22:24.11 | ws2k3 | i'm asking this because for example. a cpu is 100 % |
| 22:24.12 | SerajewelKS | brah: uhm, what would there be to probe? |
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| 22:24.21 | ws2k3 | but when i load it for 50 my cpu is not the same speed |
| 22:24.32 | ws2k3 | then all my processes gets slower |
| 22:24.34 | brah | SerajewelKS, software->UART perhaps? |
| 22:24.36 | ws2k3 | i notice that |
| 22:24.40 | brah | But yes, I understand. |
| 22:24.46 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: "load it for 50?" |
| 22:24.58 | ws2k3 | % procent |
| 22:25.19 | ws2k3 | when i load my processor for 50 % of its capasity then i already notice my proces are getting slower |
| 22:25.20 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: if the processor slows down as load increases, that sounds like a cooling problem to me |
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| 22:25.33 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: note that CPU load in % is not the same metric as load average |
| 22:25.50 | ws2k3 | yeah i assume |
| 22:26.05 | ws2k3 | its not that the procesor slows down |
| 22:26.09 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: CPU % consumption is mostly a useless metric when doing performance tuning |
| 22:26.12 | ws2k3 | the processor that are running slows down |
| 22:26.24 | ws2k3 | the processes that are running are getting a bit slower* |
| 22:26.33 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: look at the load average figures |
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| 22:26.46 | ws2k3 | what are u trying to say? |
| 22:26.51 | ws2k3 | sorry my english is not that good |
| 22:26.57 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: i'm trying to say that % of CPU consumed is not important |
| 22:27.02 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: look for "load average" |
| 22:27.20 | ws2k3 | how |
| 22:27.41 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: also, the amount of free memory is important too. you can have the fastet CPU in the world, but if 50 processes are live swapping, performance is going to be bad. |
| 22:27.46 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: use "uptime" or "top" |
| 22:27.56 | ws2k3 | i allways use top |
| 22:28.21 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: well, it shows load average. look in at the top right. |
| 22:28.37 | ws2k3 | top - 00:31:56 up 11 days, 22:52, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 22:28.37 | SerajewelKS | look at* |
| 22:28.37 | ws2k3 | Tasks: 148 total, 1 running, 147 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 22:28.37 | ws2k3 | Cpu(s): 10.9%us, 1.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 87.1%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.6%si, 0.0%st |
| 22:28.37 | ws2k3 | Mem: 12325160k total, 5289896k used, 7035264k free, 165988k buffers |
| 22:28.37 | ws2k3 | Swap: 24072184k total, 6040k used, 24066144k free, 2702608k cached |
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| 22:28.51 | ws2k3 | top - 00:31:56 up 11 days, 22:52, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 22:28.52 | SerajewelKS | do not paste into the channel |
| 22:28.56 | ws2k3 | sorry |
| 22:28.57 | SerajewelKS | yes, that line |
| 22:29.02 | SerajewelKS | see "load average" |
| 22:29.07 | ws2k3 | 0,00.. |
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| 22:29.26 | ws2k3 | thats not possible |
| 22:29.29 | SerajewelKS | those are moving, averaged windows of different sizes |
| 22:29.34 | SerajewelKS | yes it is |
| 22:29.52 | ws2k3 | how? |
| 22:30.01 | SerajewelKS | because it is |
| 22:30.13 | ws2k3 | my cpu runs now 10 % |
| 22:30.25 | ws2k3 | normaly betweet 30 and 10 % |
| 22:30.27 | ws2k3 | but ok |
| 22:30.30 | ws2k3 | now other server |
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| 22:30.30 | SerajewelKS | load average has NOTHING to do with % of CPU consumed |
| 22:30.37 | ws2k3 | what then? |
| 22:30.39 | SerajewelKS | they are different metrics |
| 22:30.40 | ws2k3 | how do i need to see it |
| 22:30.48 | SerajewelKS | it has to do with how many processes are waiting for the CPU per second |
| 22:31.01 | ws2k3 | aah ok |
| 22:31.11 | ws2k3 | so the lower that number it more bether? |
| 22:31.23 | SerajewelKS | you want this number to approach, but not exceed the number of CPUs/cores in the server |
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| 22:31.38 | SerajewelKS | if it's less, then the box is sitting idle. if it's more, then the box is starved for CPU time. |
| 22:31.58 | ws2k3 | hmm okee |
| 22:32.11 | SerajewelKS | if you want to be sure that your clients will have enough CPU time, then shoot for something like 0.8 times the number of CPUs |
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| 22:32.40 | SerajewelKS | so 0.0 basically means that the box isn't doing much |
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| 22:32.52 | SerajewelKS | or at least, when a process wants CPU, it gets it pretty quickly |
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| 22:33.30 | ws2k3 | number of cpu's or cores? |
| 22:33.36 | ws2k3 | because all only got one cpu |
| 22:33.44 | ws2k3 | but multiple cores/threaths |
| 22:33.53 | SerajewelKS | each core is a CPU, basically |
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| 22:34.02 | ws2k3 | yeah ok. |
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| 22:34.05 | SerajewelKS | if you have two quad-cores than your target i 8, for example (2*4) |
| 22:34.11 | SerajewelKS | is* 8 |
| 22:34.39 | ws2k3 | so what number most the load avarage be? |
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| 22:34.52 | SerajewelKS | there is no limit on the load average |
| 22:35.01 | SerajewelKS | the higher it is, the more processes are waiting for CPU time |
| 22:35.19 | ws2k3 | so the lower the bether? |
| 22:35.36 | SerajewelKS | when it exceeds the number of CPUs/cores in the box, then you're in trouble, because that means that processes aren't able to get CPU when they want it |
| 22:35.39 | Arye | can you explain again how to calculate the core vs load leve? |
| 22:35.39 | SerajewelKS | generally, yes |
| 22:35.51 | ws2k3 | aah ok |
| 22:35.54 | ws2k3 | thanks alot |
| 22:35.58 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 22:36.02 | SerajewelKS | Arye: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 22:36.11 | ws2k3 | if i put a new core into debian and boot the machine |
| 22:36.18 | ws2k3 | do i have to do something special to make that work? |
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| 22:36.46 | Arye | aah, i see.. |
| 22:36.56 | SerajewelKS | ws2k3: probably not, just 'cat /etc/cpuinfo' and make sure that you see as many CPUs as you have cores |
| 22:37.16 | egoga | I have a really good question: Is it possible to do a whole new debian install from the install CD and still have all of your old packages back? |
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| 22:37.48 | claint | egoga: you mean netinstall? |
| 22:37.54 | egoga | yes, netinstall CD |
| 22:38.03 | Arye | i am talking about what you wrote that if you have two quadcores than your target is 8 |
| 22:38.08 | egoga | I need to back up my /home directory (not hard), but I want to keep all of my original debs |
| 22:38.17 | claint | egoga you can copy your archive somewhere |
| 22:38.18 | egoga | so I don't have to download again |
| 22:38.25 | egoga | where are all the deb packages located? |
| 22:38.42 | ws2k3 | a guy is /msg me he has a bug in his debian and he cant talk int he public channel for some reason |
| 22:38.42 | claint | egoga: it is in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 22:38.45 | egoga | Thank you |
| 22:38.54 | ws2k3 | he has some questions about nvidia drivers |
| 22:39.03 | ws2k3 | is there a name i can give him who want to talk to him? |
| 22:39.19 | Arye | ws2k3? |
| 22:39.23 | ws2k3 | yeah? |
| 22:39.40 | Arye | why you selected this nick if you using debian?? :) |
| 22:39.48 | ws2k3 | haha :P |
| 22:39.55 | ws2k3 | ur not the only one who aks that |
| 22:40.00 | ws2k3 | my orginal nick was already in use |
| 22:40.07 | Arye | ah, i see.. |
| 22:40.11 | ws2k3 | and when i configurated my mirc i had some issues with my ms exchange server |
| 22:40.14 | ws2k3 | so thats why :P |
| 22:40.20 | yctn | maby thats bether |
| 22:40.26 | seb82 | someone who can help me out with pulseaudio? |
| 22:40.26 | Arye | yctn?? |
| 22:40.28 | Arye | what is this? |
| 22:40.29 | yctn | the name ws2k3 is in insult to this channel! |
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| 22:40.34 | yctn | thats my nick |
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| 22:40.58 | yctn | so anyone wanne talk to the guy with the nvidia drivers problem? |
| 22:41.10 | yctn | his nick is Arkadietz maby somebody wanne pm him |
| 22:41.11 | seb82 | I've installed the server on my laptop... but the virtual host can't seem to see it... |
| 22:42.05 | seb82 | and i need the virtual hosts audio stuff to play on the laptop |
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| 22:42.22 | seb82 | several how-to's and faq further i still can't get it in the air |
| 22:42.30 | Arye | mmm.. how can i change my nick? |
| 22:42.48 | seb82 | Arye type / nick without space |
| 22:42.52 | yctn | well guy thanks alot again i allways love to join this channel with a question :D |
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| 22:43.07 | yctn | have a good day/night depending on where u live ofcrouse and bye. |
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| 22:43.50 | mykrol | yes, that is my nickname! :) |
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| 22:44.43 | bampersand | Hey, i'm wanting to install youtube-dl but I'm not able to (sudo aptitude install youtube-dl), it says it can find metacafe-dl etc, but no results of youtube-dl, from googling they've said that i'm meant to be able to get it from the standard repos. |
| 22:45.00 | mykrol | (what is youtube-dl?) |
| 22:45.20 | bampersand | downloads youtube videos. |
| 22:45.27 | SerajewelKS | !info youtube-dl |
| 22:45.31 | mykrol | cli |
| 22:45.33 | mykrol | ? |
| 22:45.41 | bampersand | You see i've been using a browser addon to convert flvs to mp3s, but i'm wanting to convert entire playlists. |
| 22:45.45 | bampersand | mykrol: yes. |
| 22:45.50 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube), section web, is extra. Version: 2011.08.04-2 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 164 kB |
| 22:46.33 | mykrol | (i dont using debian on my workstation, i am using win7 because of that i am .net developer. but on our servers farm we are using win2008 R2 and debian) |
| 22:46.46 | bampersand | "Couldn't find any package matching "youtube-dl". However, the following... metacafe-dl etc" |
| 22:46.46 | SerajewelKS | bampersand: there is no youtube-dl in stable or testing at the moment |
| 22:47.01 | bampersand | SerajewelKS: okay thanks, how would i go about installing it then? |
| 22:47.25 | SerajewelKS | bampersand: i think it's just a python script that's on github. i'd just clone the git repo and run it from your $HOME. |
| 22:47.33 | bampersand | oh great, thanks. |
| 22:47.58 | bampersand | what i'm wanting to do is convert an entire youtube playlist to mp3, and it's just annoying doing each one manually (though this way i'm going to have to download all the flvs) |
| 22:48.01 | mykrol | Whats about to install it from the unstable? |
| 22:48.43 | SerajewelKS | mykrol: there's really not much point honestly. youtube-dl gets updated a lot, and you'll be better off pulling updates from git instead of waiting on the debian package to update. |
| 22:49.29 | mykrol | i see... |
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| 22:50.22 | mykrol | Someone success to install mono 2.10? |
| 22:50.40 | egoga | also, I've been having VERY much trouble with my DSL modem hooking up to my computer |
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| 22:50.49 | egoga | I can get it to work on this one, but I can't on my desktop |
| 22:50.53 | mykrol | when i am trying to run the http server, i receive an error |
| 22:51.02 | egoga | is there an alternate way I could download debs and make an install server? |
| 22:51.09 | egoga | to do it over the lan |
| 22:51.17 | mykrol | Search about the proxy |
| 22:51.42 | mykrol | deb proxy |
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| 22:53.26 | brah | SerajewelKS, earlier you said my USB->Serial adapted was well configured. Any reason why I can't do 'setserial -g /dev/ttyUSB0'? |
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| 22:59.23 | claint | egoga: I used apt-proxy years back, but it was buggy. mayeb check out apt-cacher or something... |
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| 23:01.00 | claint | egoga: yeah apt-proxy is not even in squeeze |
| 23:02.11 | kuznetzvo | anybody got any idea of what to specify for the ssl_engine in squid.conf for openssl installed on debian? i've been working on this project for about 9 hours |
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| 23:13.33 | Dulak | how do you mask a copy for dotfiles as well as normal files? I can get the dot files with .[a-zA-Z0-9]* but I want them both covered by the mask |
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| 23:20.17 | somiaj | Dulak: can't you use two masks. 'cp * .[!.]* dest/' though my [!.] might be bad bash syntax...have to look that up |
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| 23:21.10 | Dulak | somiaj: mmm, I'll try |
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| 23:22.40 | Dulak | somiaj: it takes the dir as an source with that, not the destination |
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| 23:23.03 | Dulak | somiaj: and it would be [^.] for 'not a dot' |
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| 23:23.46 | somiaj | Dulak: ahh thanks. |
| 23:24.18 | somiaj | Dulak: and yea I'm just matching everything in the directory except . and .. -- if you want to match less things add approping globbing |
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| 23:25.53 | kuznetzvo | so i've officially given up on squid and openssl or anything ssl working together nicely for me |
| 23:26.05 | Dulak | somiaj: yeah that works only cp isn't seeing the last arg as the dest, it thinks it's another source. |
| 23:26.25 | kuznetzvo | i've been fucking with this thing for 9.5 hours now and just cannot get it to work. everytime i fix one thing, i get ANOTHER error. it's endless. |
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| 23:28.48 | kuznetzvo | am i just stupid or what? |
| 23:28.58 | Trenkin | no |
| 23:30.00 | kuznetzvo | it's really beginning to look that way lol |
| 23:30.13 | kuznetzvo | even took b vitamins, ginseng, caffeine, etc. didn't seem to help |
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| 23:31.52 | kuznetzvo | compiling and configuring eggdrop was child's play compared to this. |
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| 23:40.40 | karlpinc | kuznetzvo: No idea if it helps, but: |
| 23:40.43 | karlpinc | !readme.debian |
| 23:40.44 | dpkg | README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration. |
| 23:43.10 | kuznetzvo | i suppose i shouldn't have tried to get it to work with --ssl-enabled for use with openssl when it's not included that way with debian for licensing issues |
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| 23:59.11 | jargon | 20110904111758 Closing Link: 0.0.0.0 ([exp/dm] Compromised host, go to http://kline.dal.net/exploits/akills.htm [ID: DM-5]) <------ Me. (I work at ECHELON and am the sole personell with clearance to connect to civilian-networks directly from ECHELON.) |
| 23:59.46 | jargon | I guess that blows all Unix and Linux permissions out of the water now doesn't it? |