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| 00:23.24 | floflo530 | hello ! |
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| 00:23.54 | joe6 | how can I remove services in debian: http://codepad.org/g4LBm5Se |
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| 00:24.07 | joe6 | I tried update-rc.d but it does not seem to be removing services. |
| 00:24.19 | floflo530 | need help about soap php because i try apt-get install php-soap it's ok but i don't locate php_soap.so |
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| 00:24.42 | joe6 | googling about the services on debian talk about rcconf. Is that the only option? |
| 00:25.21 | somiaj | joe6: do you want to remove or disable them |
| 00:25.35 | joe6 | somiaj: remove them. |
| 00:25.36 | somiaj | joe6: problem with remove is an upgrade of the package will put the default links back |
| 00:25.45 | somiaj | joe6: then remove the actual package |
| 00:25.49 | joe6 | somiaj: yes, that is what is happening. |
| 00:25.57 | joe6 | how do I disable them? |
| 00:25.59 | somiaj | joe6: disabling the package from starting is another problem interially, in that case you want to 'disable' them |
| 00:26.08 | somiaj | joe6: update-rc.d <service> disable |
| 00:26.16 | joe6 | somiaj: ok, thanks |
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| 00:26.52 | somiaj | joe6: look up 'disable' in the update-rc.d manpage -- "A common system administration error is to delete the links with ththought that this will "disable" the service, i.e." (: |
| 00:27.38 | somiaj | though I read somewhere that this feature may not be supported in the future, its there for the time until a better method is put in its place. |
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| 00:27.59 | Coweater | floflo530: there are only php scripts and a single perl script in that package |
| 00:28.18 | onryo | how to I start a program that needs root when I boot? |
| 00:28.28 | somiaj | onryo: what program? |
| 00:28.28 | joe6 | somiaj, ok, thanks. |
| 00:29.02 | onryo | one I wrote that will start my VPN and update my iptables so it does not leak if the VPN goes down. |
| 00:29.14 | somiaj | onryo: if there isn't a script set up in /etc/init.d/ for that program you can write you own (check out the README and skeleton script) |
| 00:29.22 | somiaj | onryo: you can also put the commands in /etc/rc.local |
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| 00:30.22 | onryo | somiaj that sounds easy :) Thx. When you said skeleton did you mean /etc/skel ? |
| 00:30.47 | somiaj | onryo: no /etc/init.d/skeleton (also read the README file int hat same directory) |
| 00:31.23 | onryo | somiaj, the rc.local I do know about. All the same I am going to do some reading about your last post |
| 00:31.24 | onryo | thx |
| 00:31.58 | somiaj | onryo: its prefered you make a start/stop/reload script for your service and then use links -- rc.local is more a fall back |
| 00:32.51 | onryo | somiaj I have all ready done that so I guess the rc.local might be the way to go? |
| 00:33.28 | onryo | somiaj, anyway I should have done some reading before I asked. |
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| 01:06.33 | sviz_ | its seriously easier to install debian from freebsd than it is debian from debian |
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| 01:08.20 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_ what do you mean? did you tried debootstrap ? |
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| 01:09.12 | sviz_ | the biggest issue is that there is only one drive |
| 01:09.14 | sviz_ | but yes |
| 01:09.42 | birgi_ | hey all, i am using lenny and having problems with apt-get update due to http://mirrors.kernel.org. shall i use another mirror? |
| 01:09.58 | sviz_ | I'm building a new 5.0.7 vm now to mess around after killing the last |
| 01:10.04 | sviz_ | birgi_: yes i would |
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| 01:10.55 | birgi_ | sviz_: thanks. where can i find the alternative mirrors? |
| 01:10.59 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_ I'm not following you ... sorry :P |
| 01:11.19 | sviz_ | birgi_: ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:11.38 | birgi_ | sviz_: thanks. |
| 01:11.42 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: well as i've got no clue how to do this, I've been trying to find a working guide with no success |
| 01:11.45 | nsadmin | birgi_, www.debian.org |
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| 01:11.54 | nsadmin | somewhere there, there's a mirror list |
| 01:12.00 | nsadmin | just... |
| 01:12.03 | nsadmin | poke around |
| 01:12.12 | birgi_ | nsadmin: thanks, i will check it. |
| 01:12.46 | sviz_ | there's always google |
| 01:12.48 | sviz_ | http://tinyurl.com/3c4b7om |
| 01:12.49 | sviz_ | ;) |
| 01:12.59 | nsadmin | btw, www.debian.org might have also more info than just mirror lists |
| 01:13.08 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_ I used to do it ... it was not a big deal :) |
| 01:13.21 | sviz_ | hmm |
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| 01:14.34 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_, what steps did you follow? |
| 01:15.39 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 01:15.53 | TheCoffeMaker | let me check :D |
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| 01:20.33 | egoga | Hello |
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| 01:20.51 | egoga | hey |
| 01:20.52 | egoga | hi |
| 01:21.10 | egoga | I've been trying to get Debian installed from the netinstall CD and it couldn't save the partition data... also it wouldn't let me start installing because it didn't finish the partition step |
| 01:21.29 | egoga | Then when I rebooted, my init files were fixed, but my keyboard wouldn't work at all in login graphical screen |
| 01:21.41 | egoga | Only in the non-X command prompt |
| 01:21.43 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_ it's far more complicated than the way that I know ... I debootstrap, configure everything that needs to be configured and later call the update-grub |
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| 01:21.50 | egoga | during bootup, so what do I do to make the keyboard work |
| 01:22.01 | egoga | how can I make my PS/2 keyboard work |
| 01:22.04 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: you have a good place you can point me? |
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| 01:22.36 | egoga | My problem: I'm trying to reinstall Debian 6.0.2 over an old partition, but I can't because I can't save the partition information or skip the partition creation/modification step |
| 01:22.41 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_ yes ... let me search it for you |
| 01:22.57 | egoga | It did fix my old init.d problems however, but now when I boot up, I can't type my username/password at the graphical X login screen |
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| 01:23.22 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: thx |
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| 01:23.28 | nsadmin | egoga, go near sacramento, there you will find the south fork of the american river... go in a rubber raft and use it as a paddle :) |
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| 01:23.49 | somiaj | egoga: can you get box via ssh (check your xlog, it could be your keyboard/mouse have just been disabled/not detceted in X) |
| 01:23.58 | egoga | you mean I can't afford gas in the bay area where I can ask a real computer programmer for answers to my question? |
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| 01:24.16 | egoga | maybe somiaj |
| 01:24.26 | egoga | but the problem is, I don't have two CAT-5 cables |
| 01:24.33 | egoga | so I can't have them on the same network |
| 01:24.42 | smv | hello. I've been thinking to use GPT on a boot disk, but I'm not sure how the partitioning should look. if anyone would pastebin a gdisk -l /dev/sdX from a working GPT boot disk would be great... |
| 01:25.09 | nsadmin | make one\ |
| 01:25.40 | egoga | is there a way I could fix the keyboard from a live CD? is this all from /etc/XF86Config or whatever it's called nowadays |
| 01:26.06 | egoga | It seems to be the same because I needed inputattach for my mouse. I can use the mouse but no keyboard |
| 01:26.29 | nsadmin | if there is a way to "fix" the kbd from a cd, it's not broken, at least not physically |
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| 01:26.46 | egoga | I know, right |
| 01:27.14 | somiaj | egoga: yes, you can also read the log from the livecd to see why it didn't detect your keyboard -- though these days just use a blank /etc/X11/xorg.conf (don't have one there) so it autodetects things |
| 01:27.27 | somiaj | egoga: only really need one for fglxr or nvidia drivers (or really specilized configs) |
| 01:27.39 | egoga | I'll try what you said. |
| 01:27.39 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_, read this :D http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426#comment_19 |
| 01:28.31 | nsadmin | you mean... you're going to the americal river?! |
| 01:28.47 | nutron | I want to use dd to take a hard drive image, do I need to specify the blocksize to get a usable image? |
| 01:28.55 | birgi_ | nsadmin: it looks like the problem i am having is about ipv6. it is disabled in my system, but apt-get tries to use ipv6 to access both security.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org. any ideas how to avoid this? |
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| 01:29.19 | nutron | ie: dd if=/dev/sdg of=/dev/sdi |
| 01:29.21 | pfred1 | would dd copy file attributes? |
| 01:29.30 | nsadmin | does your isp offer an ipv6 feed? |
| 01:29.53 | birgi_ | nsadmin: i don't know. |
| 01:29.57 | nutron | pfred1: aye |
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| 01:31.12 | nsadmin | might be a question to ask them... if they do and they start feeding it to you over the physical link, you would then set up ipv6 and go from there |
| 01:31.49 | birgi_ | until then, is there a way to force apt-get to use ipv4? |
| 01:32.15 | nsadmin | replace the name with one of the ipv4 addresses |
| 01:32.49 | birgi_ | nsadmin: thanks, i'll try it. |
| 01:33.03 | karlpinc | If I "move" a cups job that's at the head of the queue and processing does the processing resume when the job reaches the head of the queue or does it have to start over? |
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| 01:34.10 | nsadmin | another thing... I kinda like this file I have that is a macro file for sources.list |
| 01:35.40 | nsadmin | I have that and a makefile set up so that it regenerates sources.list from my macro file which is called sources.list.m4 |
| 01:38.15 | nsadmin | I edit a line of the macro file where I put the mirror site, run make and it puts that site anywhere neede |
| 01:38.16 | nsadmin | d |
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| 01:39.09 | Dagger3 | birgi_: this is more for my own curiosity than anything else, but would you mind pastebinning the output of your `ifconfig`? |
| 01:39.29 | Dagger3 | birgi_: you shouldn't ever be trying v6 addresses unless you have a public v6 address... |
| 01:39.49 | karlpinc | Or is a cups "move" operation something that moves the job to another cups server? |
| 01:40.49 | birgi_ | Dagger3: ifconfig is all expected, w/o any ipv6 related things. |
| 01:41.04 | Dagger3 | (than again, I did hear one person claim their problem was that apt-get was failing on v4 too, but for some reason only reported the v6 failure, so maybe apt or linux handle v6 connection attempts differently to how I expect...) |
| 01:41.19 | birgi_ | Dagger3: inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Bcast:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Mask:255.255.255.0 |
| 01:41.52 | Dagger3 | no inet6 lines at all? |
| 01:41.58 | birgi_ | Dagger3: nope. |
| 01:42.56 | birgi_ | i spent several hours trying to fix this thing, but without any success. |
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| 01:45.37 | Dagger3 | well, something's broken somewhere; if you have no inet6 addresses it should just immediately fail, even if it does try to connect to a v6 address |
| 01:45.55 | jmarsden | karlpinc: Per http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/policies.html#TABLE01 , the CUPS-Move-Job command moves a job to a different printer or class |
| 01:45.58 | Dagger3 | have you checked the mirror is available over v4? |
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| 01:46.40 | cooldude | is anyone going to be here to help me with a problem with redirecting a port to another port using iptables later?, because i got to hop in the shower that is why ;P |
| 01:46.50 | birgi_ | actually, now i am getting the following error: "http://128.101.240.212/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found". |
| 01:47.05 | birgi_ | Dagger3: now i will try to figure out the correct link :) |
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| 01:47.16 | nutron | do I need to specify bs=512? |
| 01:47.30 | nutron | should I or does it matter? |
| 01:47.30 | cooldude | is anyone going to be here to help me later on with a problem with redirecting a port to another port using iptables?, because i got to hop in the shower that is why* ;P |
| 01:48.12 | Dagger3 | birgi_: so I guess it does work over v4 then. I'm going to need to figure out why apt-get does this at some point, because a lot of people's first introduction to v6 appears to be when apt-get breaks and puts the blame on it :/ |
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| 01:49.03 | Dagger3 | birgi_: you're probably getting the 404 because you're using the IP rather than the hostname... try putting security.debian.org into /etc/hosts with just the v4 address |
| 01:49.07 | birgi_ | yeap, but as you had said, there is clearly something odd somewhere |
| 01:49.41 | Dagger3 | birgi_: (if it still returns the v6 address then, make up your own host -- security-debian-org or something -- and put that in /etc/hosts) |
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| 01:50.40 | birgi_ | Dagger3: is it simply, 128.101.240.212 security.debian.org line in /etc/hosts? |
| 01:51.22 | aidalgol | Why on Earth is this doing nothing? |
| 01:51.28 | aidalgol | sudo ln -s /home/aidan/apt-archives/*_all.deb /home/aidan/apt-archives/*_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:51.48 | Dagger3 | birgi_: yeah, that should do it (assuming the IP is right; I get different ones, but I guess that's because I'm in the UK) |
| 01:51.57 | karlpinc | jmarsden: Yes. I found that and it's likely that the web interface is calling that. |
| 01:52.17 | karlpinc | jmarsden: I can't find a user interface reference. |
| 01:52.34 | karlpinc | jmarsden: Thanks though. |
| 01:52.43 | birgi_ | Dagger3: OH MY GOD, AFTER HOURS AND HOURS, IT WORKED :) |
| 01:52.47 | jmarsden | You're welcom. That looks like it is for moving a job to a new device, which is not the same as moving it lower in a queue of jobs. |
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| 01:53.38 | birgi_ | Dagger3: of course, i also had to update to squeeze with 1647 updates :). |
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| 01:54.17 | birgi_ | Dagger3: thanks a lot!!! |
| 01:54.21 | karlpinc | jmarsden: I suspect I can't change the queue order now without losing the processing done so far. :-( |
| 01:54.52 | Dagger3 | birgi_: at least it's squeeze. sid would be way worse :p |
| 01:54.58 | karlpinc | birgi_: (You might take a glance at the squeeze release notes and see if there's anything you want/need to read.) |
| 01:55.01 | jmarsden | karlpinc: I think that is probably true. |
| 01:56.05 | birgi_ | karlpinc: thanks for the advice, i will check that. |
| 01:56.31 | german | anyone knows how to automatically detect an external monitor being plugged in or unplagged? This is for a laptop, as of now, I have to restart X to get a TwinView after an external monitor has been plugged in and restart it again after I unplug the second monitor. |
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| 01:57.11 | somiaj | german: look at xrandr -- its the tool for updating the settings on the fly. |
| 01:57.20 | Dagger3 | birgi_: while you're waiting, would you mind trying www.test-ipv6.com? does it work, or does it sit around like apt-get? |
| 01:57.47 | german | somiaj, ah ok, I'll look into that, thanks |
| 01:58.22 | somiaj | german: not all windowmanagers support it, but I belive its default in gnome2 on squeeze. So I'd see why its disabled -- using twinview might disable it since that is nvidias thing |
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| 02:01.38 | german | somiaj, yes, I'm using gnome2 with debian testing (wheezy) and yes, I have an nvidia card, I'll look into xrandr settings |
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| 02:03.13 | alazare619 | woops :S |
| 02:03.24 | TheCoffeMaker | german, I too ... but I'm able to return from twinview |
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| 02:04.11 | cooldude | ok can anyone help me with a problem with redirecting a port to another port using iptables? here is a pastebin of how i issued a iptables command -> http://pastebin.com/wNKA0B6W |
| 02:05.03 | german | somiaj, TheCoffeMaker, the problem seems to be that xrandr doesn't support the propietary nvidia driver, one should use the nv driver for xrandr to work |
| 02:05.31 | TheCoffeMaker | german, I use the propietay driver |
| 02:05.36 | NekawA | german i have the same install, the nvidia control panel says you'll have to restart X if u plug in a new monitor |
| 02:05.40 | german | somiaj, TheCoffeMaker, hmmm |
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| 02:06.04 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, with tiwnview ? |
| 02:06.05 | german | NekawA, yes, that's what I want to avoid |
| 02:06.25 | cooldude | can anyone hear me à |
| 02:06.31 | NekawA | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.46 | somiaj | german: then use the nvidia-settings tool. |
| 02:07.14 | TheCoffeMaker | german, I never had that problem ... with twinview you shouldn't be asked to restart the X ... are you using the nvidia-settings ? like somiaj said ? |
| 02:07.19 | NekawA | i've yet to try, but it looks like X has to be restarted I think i'm going to try to enable it with a restart of X and then disable it and see if i can re-enable it without restarting |
| 02:07.25 | somiaj | but yes xrandr is the tool to add/remove/change monintors and resolutions in xorg. |
| 02:07.32 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, do you have the nat module installed ? |
| 02:07.46 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, um, no |
| 02:07.50 | german | somiaj, TheCoffeMaker, no, not using nvidia-settings |
| 02:07.59 | cooldude | how can i install it then TheCoffeMaker? |
| 02:08.03 | german | somiaj, TheCoffeMaker, was looking for something automatic |
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| 02:08.16 | NekawA | ahh it looks like 'twinview' will go with no restart |
| 02:08.21 | NekawA | seperate X screen it wants a restart |
| 02:09.25 | TheCoffeMaker | german ... my laptop has a button ... I use it ... don't know abt your hard ... I also have a quadro ... maybe it works better than yours ... I really don't know :S |
| 02:09.26 | german | NekawA, yep you're right |
| 02:09.38 | NekawA | yea dunno if this helps you or not german |
| 02:09.46 | NekawA | i guess if your out and u want to clone your lappy to someones tv, then its good |
| 02:10.05 | NekawA | but if u want to do a presentation, and have a projector or something with different video then the main screen you'll need to restart |
| 02:10.06 | german | TheCoffeMaker, np don't worry about it, thanks anyway :) |
| 02:10.20 | TheCoffeMaker | ^_^ |
| 02:10.34 | NekawA | I never clone (twinview) - seems pointless to have two screens doing the exact same thing on a home-setup |
| 02:10.37 | cooldude | how can i install the nat module then TheCoffeMaker? |
| 02:11.04 | german | NekawA, more or less, I use TwinView to do pair programming |
| 02:11.55 | german | NekawA, somiaj, thanks |
| 02:12.20 | NekawA | no thank you it kinda cleared it up for me I been having other issues getting things running properly on wheezy |
| 02:12.40 | NekawA | might try watching something on the big screen and need that soon, but for now i been having a hard time with my virtualization :/ |
| 02:12.53 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, iptables -t nat -F |
| 02:12.54 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: thx |
| 02:13.02 | german | what do you use? VirtualBox? |
| 02:13.08 | NekawA | xen |
| 02:13.19 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_, did it help ? |
| 02:13.26 | sviz_ | going through it now |
| 02:13.26 | german | ah don't know about xen |
| 02:13.31 | NekawA | I believe i've gotten it all ironed out |
| 02:13.32 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, k |
| 02:13.32 | sviz_ | need to restore my snapshot |
| 02:13.38 | NekawA | but i'm not 100% happy with the disk i/o |
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| 02:14.09 | german | NekawA, I use VBox and so far so good, no major problems but 3D video |
| 02:14.12 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, you have to call that command before creating the rules |
| 02:14.18 | NekawA | there doesn't appear to be a way to limit the disk i/o, so while its only got 1/4 cpu's, it can still abuse the disk, like doing 'find /*' on the vps, laggs the ssd on the main machine |
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| 02:14.34 | NekawA | which is pretty ridiculous |
| 02:14.47 | german | NekawA, ah yes, don't know how to avoid that |
| 02:14.51 | NekawA | yea |
| 02:14.52 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, try OpenVZ :D |
| 02:14.53 | NekawA | kinda upsetting |
| 02:15.20 | NekawA | my goal was that I hoped that the vps would be able to run and do disk-intensive stuff like tar'ing and what not while the main machine was possibly playing 1080p or what not |
| 02:15.21 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, this is as if i did "iptables -t nat -F": http://pastebin.com/rpgamgAh |
| 02:15.32 | NekawA | unfortunately it didn't work out to good |
| 02:15.39 | NekawA | does openvz have better disk i/o control TheCoffeMaker ? |
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| 02:16.27 | german | OpenVZ better than Vbox or VMWare in your opinion? |
| 02:16.37 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, I don't have too much expertice with xen ... but I'm running OpenVZ in my server and performs really good |
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| 02:17.20 | Dagger3 | NekawA: there's renice and ionice for that |
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| 02:17.27 | TheCoffeMaker | german OpenVZ is a virtualized container ... you only are able to install the same operating system because they are the kernel |
| 02:17.46 | TheCoffeMaker | german, it's like Solaris Zones and BDS Jail |
| 02:17.47 | german | ah, ok |
| 02:17.49 | NekawA | dagger3 I tried renice'ing the find process on the domU it didn't help out |
| 02:18.06 | german | TheCoffeMaker, got it |
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| 02:18.24 | NekawA | may I should renice xend? |
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| 02:19.01 | german | NekawA, don't know how to overcome IO issues while virtualizing, maybe using two disks? one for the VM and the other for the host |
| 02:19.17 | NekawA | tried, didn't help german.. |
| 02:19.20 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, are you running a package kernel or it was compiled by yourself ? |
| 02:19.31 | NekawA | ..but what I did do is add another disk, to do the disk-intensive stuff on |
| 02:19.33 | Dagger3 | NekawA: my point was that you don't need a VM for IO prioritization; just run the find on the host under ionice |
| 02:19.55 | NekawA | well i've already tried that dagger3 it didn't work out quite well |
| 02:19.56 | german | NekawA, no clues then |
| 02:20.07 | NekawA | with cache and what not, the cpu and disk thrashing ended up still being way higher then I wantd |
| 02:20.18 | NekawA | the vps at least controls the cpu |
| 02:20.37 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, weird |
| 02:20.41 | Dagger3 | did you try ionice, or just renice? |
| 02:21.05 | NekawA | honestly not sure which one it used, I went in htop and used F8 and tried giving the process all the way up to +19 |
| 02:21.10 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, i think it was a packaged kernel |
| 02:21.12 | daveo | just started using window maker on an old 512mb laptop and its amazing for an old puter, could keep opn emacs, google-chrome, thunderbird and still have half my mem left |
| 02:21.29 | NekawA | it did make a difference, it was like 25% better |
| 02:21.49 | NekawA | but going from 75% cpu and 1gb ram use, down to 50% cpu and 700MB ram wasn't enough for me.. |
| 02:22.00 | Dagger3 | that'll probably only affect CPU priority, not IO priority |
| 02:22.04 | NekawA | so i made the vps with 256mb ram, and now the main cpu never goes about 20% or so |
| 02:22.09 | NekawA | ^^ exactly |
| 02:22.15 | NekawA | just need to find a way to slow down its disk-reads now |
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| 02:23.20 | NekawA | or maybe it'll run okay now doing the thrashing on an external disk oh well its better off then it was before |
| 02:23.31 | Dagger3 | well, I suggested ionice for a reason, but if you really want to use a VM for this, that won't help you; you'll need some Xen knob for that |
| 02:23.40 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, deactive the atime option on the partition |
| 02:23.51 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, use noatime |
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| 02:24.37 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, i think it was a packaged kernel |
| 02:24.40 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, it will avoid the OS to write the access times on the inodes |
| 02:24.55 | NekawA | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.07 | NekawA | on the dom0? |
| 02:25.44 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, it can be changed on the fstab file |
| 02:26.00 | NekawA | right are u talking about for /home on the dom0 the machine that has the .img of the virtualpc |
| 02:26.09 | NekawA | or are u talking about the fstab within the virtual machine |
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| 02:26.18 | TheCoffeMaker | both |
| 02:26.26 | NekawA | sudo nano /etc/fstab |
| 02:26.37 | TheCoffeMaker | yes |
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| 02:26.43 | NekawA | lol wrong window too many terminals |
| 02:26.50 | TheCoffeMaker | LOL |
| 02:27.02 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, you there? |
| 02:27.17 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, yes |
| 02:27.32 | cooldude | i replied back to your question TheCoffeMaker ;) |
| 02:27.51 | cooldude | [22:20:44 PM] <TheCoffeMaker> cooldude, are you running a package kernel or it was compiled by yourself ? <- i think it was a packaged kernel |
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| 02:28.04 | NekawA | TheCoffeMaker: the vps already had noatime, as well as nodiratime |
| 02:28.15 | NekawA | the dom0 did not and I added it and did a remount, which surprisingly worked for /home and never does |
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| 02:29.37 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, I really don't know why then .... did you tried googling that message ? |
| 02:29.42 | cooldude | um |
| 02:29.53 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, i tried |
| 02:29.58 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, what about the host OS ? |
| 02:30.07 | NekawA | right, the vps had it |
| 02:30.14 | NekawA | the host did not, I added it on the host and the remount worked |
| 02:31.12 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, did it improve the performance ? |
| 02:31.25 | NekawA | dunno yet |
| 02:31.47 | NekawA | i'm open to trying anything..its on scripts and stuff crontab should fire off soon and I will see |
| 02:34.55 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, i tried googling that message |
| 02:35.04 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, sudo modprobe iptable_nat |
| 02:35.20 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, my distro is Debian btw |
| 02:35.44 | cooldude | jodie:~# modprobe iptable_nat |
| 02:35.44 | cooldude | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-4-pve/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 02:35.53 | cooldude | that is in root |
| 02:36.01 | NekawA | u missin kernel stuffs |
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| 02:36.17 | TheCoffeMaker | yes |
| 02:36.26 | sviz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.27 | sviz_ | lol |
| 02:36.36 | cooldude | how can i make sure that missing stuff TheCoffeMaker and NekawA is found? :P |
| 02:36.45 | NekawA | i use module assistant |
| 02:36.56 | NekawA | if u apt-get module assistant then u can do like 'sudo m-a prepare' |
| 02:37.00 | NekawA | andn it'll get everything u need to build |
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| 02:37.31 | cooldude | jodie:~# apt-get module assistant |
| 02:37.31 | cooldude | E: Invalid operation module |
| 02:38.09 | somiaj | cooldude: apt-get install module-assistant though that is the old way, there isn't a dkms package for the module you want? |
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| 02:38.32 | NekawA | yea gotta type install still :p |
| 02:38.38 | somiaj | cooldude: but it doesn't look like a module problem, looks like your modules.dep file is bad |
| 02:38.39 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, is it the first time that you run debian ? sorry for asking this but maybe we need to change the approach ;) |
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| 02:38.53 | NekawA | i had the modules.dep problem |
| 02:39.01 | NekawA | its created when u don't have linux headers and common files |
| 02:39.10 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, i am getting used to it, i was used to CentOS ;D |
| 02:39.12 | NekawA | getting m-a and using option 'prepare' will install gcc and all headers/common files |
| 02:39.35 | NekawA | I <3 m-a because when u put a new kernel u can use it to prepare the new kernel before you boot into it |
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| 02:39.57 | NekawA | which otherwise would require many commands, and can be done in m-a with one switch.. |
| 02:40.11 | somiaj | the modules.dep should a part of the linux-image pacakge. Not sure why its not there, that is what I would invesigate. |
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| 02:40.26 | NekawA | if he installed from debootstrap like I did my vps |
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| 02:40.36 | NekawA | then it would not be there, he could apt-get the image package, or use m-a as I suggested |
| 02:40.42 | cooldude | somiaj, well i just plain want the nat to work so i can use that iptable to redirect that single port lol |
| 02:40.53 | cooldude | the port i am redirecting somiaj is 843 to 8001 |
| 02:41.02 | cooldude | port 843 is a Adobe Flash Policy server |
| 02:41.15 | cooldude | that is the reserve port for it |
| 02:41.40 | NekawA | well not having modules.dep could cause other problems, I couldn't mount xfs is how i found out |
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| 02:41.43 | cooldude | and i have a Adobe Flash Policy server script running in a normal non-root user running in port 8001 |
| 02:41.51 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, could you please send me the output of uname -a ? |
| 02:41.59 | TheCoffeMaker | seems that I found the issue :D |
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| 02:42.14 | cooldude | and i want to redirect the normal 843 of the Adobe Flash Policy server to 8001 |
| 02:42.18 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, k :P |
| 02:42.35 | cooldude | jodie:~# uname -a |
| 02:42.35 | cooldude | Linux jodie 2.6.32-4-pve #1 SMP Mon May 9 12:59:57 CEST 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:43.04 | TheCoffeMaker | pve is not a Debian kernel |
| 02:43.27 | cooldude | oh TheCoffeMaker...? |
| 02:43.35 | TheCoffeMaker | are you running on a VPS ? |
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| 02:43.55 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, yes |
| 02:43.58 | cooldude | i ssh into it |
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| 02:45.15 | somiaj | cooldude: usually a vps doesn't contain a kernel, you should the the modules package form your vps provider (what I had to do on aws) |
| 02:45.28 | NekawA | look like ovh compiled kernel |
| 02:45.30 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, there is your problem ... you are running on a OpenVZ container :D |
| 02:45.42 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, yes but i cant access it :P |
| 02:46.27 | cooldude | the dude who gave me this VPS (for free) just gave me the login infos to it |
| 02:46.29 | cooldude | no panel |
| 02:46.46 | cooldude | i had to setup a "IspCP Omega" panel all by myseld |
| 02:46.48 | cooldude | myself* |
| 02:46.52 | cooldude | and the server is unmanaged |
| 02:47.37 | cooldude | and i have access to another server guys, and i see the modules.dep in a "/lib/modules/2.6.18-238.12.1.el5.028stab091.1" and that server is running CentOS |
| 02:47.40 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, here is some info that will help you -> http://wiki.openvz.org/Setting_up_an_iptables_firewall |
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| 02:50.12 | cooldude | TheCoffeMaker, now i am confused with that link you set me LOL, i am sorry |
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| 02:54.20 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, why? |
| 02:54.58 | cooldude | idk why i am that confused with it to be quite frankly TheCoffeMaker |
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| 02:56.22 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: ok so i need to update grub but its saying /dev isn't mounted and if I check I have the unconfigured fstab |
| 02:56.43 | NekawA | wow are u saying that u cannot add a kernel and do regular modules on openvz? I'm kind of glad I went with XEN now.. |
| 02:56.59 | sviz_ | should I not be doing this from the chromed dir? |
| 02:57.01 | sviz_ | chrooted |
| 02:57.10 | sviz_ | damnyouautocorrect |
| 02:57.13 | cooldude | NekawA, you talking to me? |
| 02:57.20 | n0sq | why does disabling bluetooth kill my wireless connection? |
| 02:57.29 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_ mount --bind /dev /pathtochrooted/dev |
| 02:57.33 | TheCoffeMaker | :D |
| 02:57.44 | sviz_ | in the chroot or host? |
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| 02:59.06 | egoga | I'm thinking about reg teg hegging |
| 02:59.10 | egoga | It seems to be the same because I needed inputattach for my mouse. I can use the mouse but no keyboard |
| 02:59.14 | egoga | is there a way I could fix the keyboard from a live CD? is this all from /etc/XF86Config or whatever it's called nowadays |
| 02:59.32 | NekawA | i was referring to thecoffeemaker he recommended openvz earlier to me but it sounds nothing like xen |
| 02:59.53 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, I use the stock deployments ... I will be creating my custom deployments in the near future but I don't need them right now |
| 02:59.55 | egoga | Recky jalekal |
| 03:00.35 | sviz_ | nvm host |
| 03:00.42 | cooldude | NekawA, ah |
| 03:00.45 | sviz_ | so now i just need to add this to grub and I'm gtg? |
| 03:01.31 | NekawA | cooldude, on xen it was identical to my normal pc I was able to get the headers using m-a like i described and then use regular modules |
| 03:01.45 | cooldude | NekawA, ayh |
| 03:01.47 | NekawA | i've never used openvz it looks totally different though |
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| 03:02.27 | cooldude | well i wonder if someone can just ssh into my box and do this for me |
| 03:02.28 | cooldude | :| |
| 03:02.33 | cooldude | like the iptable refirect |
| 03:02.36 | cooldude | redirect* |
| 03:02.37 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: yea this grub parts not working... |
| 03:02.46 | TheCoffeMaker | NekawA, remember that it's a contained OS not a full nor paravirtualization neither |
| 03:02.54 | cooldude | or is it that simple to get me to make sure the nat in iptable to wkr? |
| 03:02.58 | cooldude | work* |
| 03:03.37 | TheCoffeMaker | sviz_, did you tried binding your devfs with the command that I wrote before ? |
| 03:03.42 | cooldude | or is there something i can spit into iptables to get port 843 to redirect to 8001 |
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| 03:04.43 | sviz_ | TheCoffeMaker: yes but grub isn't making or updating either menu⦠guess i could try to manually add... |
| 03:05.59 | TheCoffeMaker | cooldude, here you will find everything abt networking on OpenVZ http://wiki.openvz.org/Category:Networking |
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| 03:06.39 | TheCoffeMaker | well folks ... it's getting late in this side of the world .... going to sleep ... good luck! |
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| 03:08.33 | NekawA | nn |
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| 03:25.07 | onryo | finally finished building my IP binding iptables for VPN. Since I am only sending to port 443 I was wondering how I could add that to this line: |
| 03:25.15 | onryo | $IPT -A OUTPUT -d $VPN -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT |
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| 03:26.39 | onryo | lol, don't think anybody on earth likes iptables =) |
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| 03:34.23 | simonlnu | doesn't know why they had to make the syntax so complicated |
| 03:35.01 | owen1 | when trying to install libmagick9-dev i get The following packages have unmet dependencies: libpng12-dev: Depends: libpng12-0 (= 1.2.44-1) but 1.2.44-1+squeeze1 is installed. libtiff4-dev: Depends: libtiff4 (= 3.9.4-5) but 3.9.4-5+squeeze3 is installed. libfreetype6-dev: Depends: libfreetype6 (= 2.4.2-2.1) but 2.4.2-2.1+squeeze1 is installed. |
| 03:36.36 | owen1 | here is the complete output: http://pastebin.com/qq3FWxi0 |
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| 03:40.59 | karlpinc | prefers using ferm or shorewall to drop syntatic sugar onto iptables. |
| 03:42.44 | somiaj | owen1: what are you using to install the packages. It seems you just need to do an 'apt-get update' |
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| 03:43.27 | somiaj | owen1: also make sure you have security.debian.org in your sources.list -- the depends is just different by a security patch it seems |
| 03:43.35 | skilz | I just plugged in another hard drive, I believe it's ntfs, how do I mount it? |
| 03:43.59 | owen1 | somiaj: let me try your advice. thank you |
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| 03:44.06 | skilz | Better yet, how do I figure out what /dev/sda it is, my main drive is sda1 |
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| 03:44.30 | somiaj | skilz: dmesg -- it will tell you what it assigned the drive to (it will be near the very end) |
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| 03:45.22 | somiaj | skilz: you'll have to install ntfs-3g to have write support for nts, so install that package, then just mount the partition. |
| 03:46.16 | skilz | I think its maybe sdb? |
| 03:46.22 | skilz | or sda2 |
| 03:46.44 | skilz | so whats the command to mount now? |
| 03:47.14 | peterS | skilz: also, 'cat /proc/partitions' is a good way to see what disks you've got present. then, something like 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' will give more details about what sda has on it exactly |
| 03:47.35 | peterS | (that's minus-lowercase-ell, not minus-one, btw) |
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| 03:49.12 | owen1 | somiaj: it looks good so far. i enabled security and updates |
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| 03:50.40 | skilz | okay its sdb1 |
| 03:51.04 | somiaj | skilz: make sure ntfs-3g is installed, then mount /dev/sdb1 /path/to/mount/point |
| 03:51.11 | skilz | So would it be something like mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ntfs? |
| 03:51.32 | peterS | something like that. only ntfs-3g may or may not use the filesystem type 'ntfs'. I can't remember what it calls it. |
| 03:52.01 | somiaj | and the ntfs isn't mandatory if it can detect the filesystem, which in many cases it will |
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| 03:52.41 | Alam_Squeeze | use "mount -t ntfs-3g" to mount with ntfs-3g |
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| 03:55.39 | shirish | hi all, can somebody help me with this ? I have /etc/resolv.conf being dyanmically being overwritten by network-manager. |
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| 03:55.53 | shirish | I put it up as a thread on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=69543 |
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| 03:56.46 | shirish | now I don't see any daemon by the name /etc/init.d/network-manager-dispatcher |
| 03:57.13 | peterrooney | wonders why it is that the only reason network-manager comes up here is because of the problems it creates |
| 03:57.25 | shirish | :P |
| 03:57.25 | peterS | shirish: is it network-manager doing it or the resolvconf package doing it? the resolvconf package can be removed, I believe. |
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| 03:57.46 | peterS | peterrooney: to be fair, that's the only reason lots of things ever come up, in a supprot channel like this one |
| 03:58.45 | shirish | peterS: network-manager I believe. I had done the ugly hack of putting a static ip in /etc/resolv.conf and making it chattr +i and it works/ed |
| 03:59.11 | peterS | shirish: yeah, chattr +i is a great workaround for annoying software, isn't it? |
| 03:59.41 | shirish | peterS: but was advised/told that it is not a good way and given link to another thread where the solution was to make two files in two different places. |
| 03:59.54 | shirish | peterS: yes, that is a good way but supposedly breaks dhcpd |
| 04:00.56 | peterS | dhcpd the server, or dhcpcd the client? I can't see that dhcpd would care |
| 04:01.31 | shirish | peterS: I am trying to use/have dnssec as well for added security. |
| 04:02.07 | shirish | peterS: the scenario is a single machine connected to an ADSL modem+router to internet. |
| 04:02.33 | peterS | I'm guessing you mean the dhcp client daemon, then, dhcpcd, not the server, dhcpd |
| 04:03.18 | shirish | peterS: frankly I have not much idea. anyway to find out ? |
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| 04:05.50 | peterrooney | peterS: What I mean is, nobody ever seriously says, "you should use network-manager, it'll fix you right up." leastwise, not while I'm listening. |
| 04:06.02 | peterS | heh, good point |
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| 04:07.50 | JoeyBLINGZ | joey blingz yall |
| 04:07.53 | JoeyBLINGZ | ! |
| 04:08.22 | shirish | peterS: ? |
| 04:08.26 | peterS | ! |
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| 04:09.41 | n-iCe | hello, my pc temperature keeps going up, any idea? is not the same in windows |
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| 04:10.05 | shirish | peterS: peterrooney: either way, what should I do about this network-manager-dispatcher daemon which I do not find in /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:10.16 | JoeyBLINGZ | try holding it down with tape, stop it from going up in the wind |
| 04:10.19 | n-iCe | I did this, but still the same http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/linux-kernel-power-issue-fix.html |
| 04:12.18 | JoeyBLINGZ | kernal sanders ? |
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| 04:14.12 | Angstrom_ | hello |
| 04:14.15 | Angstrom_ | I've got a question |
| 04:14.21 | peterrooney | !ask |
| 04:14.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:14.48 | Angstrom_ | IF my keyboard doesn't work in X login screen, what should I do? I tried first with xorg.conf, then deleted xorg.conf entirely and my keyboard still doesn't work |
| 04:14.49 | n-iCe | hello, my pc temperature keeps going up, any idea? is not the same in windows I did this, but still the same http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/linux-kernel-power-issue-fix.html |
| 04:15.05 | Angstrom_ | It could be that your PC's CPU fan is not turning as much |
| 04:15.23 | Angstrom_ | I had that problem also... check for molten dust, etc getting in the way |
| 04:15.27 | Dulak | Angstrom_: usb keyboard? |
| 04:15.33 | Angstrom_ | Dulak: No, PS/2 keyboard |
| 04:15.41 | Dulak | Angstrom_: oh weird... |
| 04:16.17 | Angstrom_ | Here's the way I got my operating system to work though: initially my init.d was damaged, so I tried reinstalling debian from netinstall... it could only get to the partition configure part, and not past it |
| 04:16.20 | Angstrom_ | but miraculously, it fixed my init.d |
| 04:16.34 | Angstrom_ | Now it works, outside of X on a text-based terminal screen |
| 04:16.54 | Angstrom_ | but X can't recognize my keyboard. How do I make it so that I can use a keyboard in X to login? |
| 04:16.58 | Angstrom_ | I'm using Gnome, BTW |
| 04:17.34 | JoeyBLINGZ | nick FinglyFangly |
| 04:17.34 | somiaj | Angstrom_: parse your xorg config file and see why its not (or disabled) your keyboard |
| 04:17.37 | JoeyBLINGZ | NICKKK |
| 04:17.52 | somiaj | Angstrom_: I mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log (xorg log) |
| 04:18.18 | FinglyFangly | i begts da fan isnt turnin right and dats whatys its not working prighsts |
| 04:18.32 | FinglyFangly | *** not workin rights |
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| 04:19.26 | shirish | peterrooney: no solution to my problem ? the missing network-manager-dispatchmanager daemon , is it not needed or what ? please see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=69543 and guide me . |
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| 04:22.21 | Angstrom_ | k |
| 04:22.24 | Angstrom_ | I tried changing it |
| 04:22.32 | Angstrom_ | I don't see any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:23.31 | Angstrom_ | Whatever I'll be back here when it doesn't work again |
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| 04:29.42 | karlpinc | skilz: You can also use "file -s /dev/sda1" for example, to see what's in a partition. |
| 04:30.11 | skilz | cheers |
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| 04:30.54 | peterrooney | sirish, apt-file search network-manager-dispatcher comes up blank for me on squeeze |
| 04:31.27 | peterrooney | shirish: sorry that I can't help more than that. |
| 04:31.51 | micols | what can be wrong if my fs refuses to write any more stuff to it, it is xfs, I use lvm2, I lvextended it and xfs_growfsed it and have 117M inodes free and 30GB free, but still I cannot write to it anymore |
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| 04:33.15 | micols | meta-data=/dev/mapper/st1500-bigdaddy isize=256 agcount=10, agsize=268435455 blks = sectsz=512 attr=2 data = bsize=4096 blocks=2550188032, imaxpct=5 = sunit=0 swidth=0 blks naming =version 2 bsize=4096 log =internal bsize=4096 blocks=32768, version=2 = sectsz=512 sunit=0 blks, lazy-count=0 realtime =none |
| 04:34.47 | skilz | How do I change the color of skilz@prometheus:/$ ? |
| 04:35.25 | aypea[2] | check /etc/bash.bashrc - it shoud give you a hint |
| 04:35.29 | aypea[2] | errr |
| 04:35.38 | aypea[2] | yeah. path's correct :) |
| 04:35.45 | skilz | thanks |
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| 04:37.46 | skilz | aypea[2], I can't figure it out, what am I looking for in there? |
| 04:38.24 | Dulak | skilz: the normal prompt is called PS1 |
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| 04:38.29 | karlpinc | skilz: You're looking for the PSsomething variable. "man bash" and search for "PS". |
| 04:38.30 | aypea[2] | yes |
| 04:38.56 | aypea[2] | debian has preconfigured variables where you can control the colour. you'll need to use escape codes for that |
| 04:39.12 | karlpinc | micols: Unmount it and run a filesystem check on it? |
| 04:39.37 | karlpinc | micols: Or your boot did not finish and it's still in read-only mode. See the output of "mount". |
| 04:40.48 | peterrooney | aypea[2]: what are these variables? |
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| 04:44.01 | luke-jr | Where do I file this kernel bug? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/471142/ |
| 04:44.14 | luke-jr | (Debian stable latest openvz kernel) |
| 04:45.19 | karlpinc | luke-jr: Can you reproduce it? |
| 04:46.00 | karlpinc | luke-jr: I'd say file it against the installed kernel package using reportbug. |
| 04:46.01 | luke-jr | karlpinc: doubt it |
| 04:46.02 | shirish | micols: do you know of a good readme or something about lvm2 installs. I am intrigued by the idea that you can have a filesystem which can be extended indefinitely without re-partioning again. |
| 04:46.09 | karlpinc | !reportbug |
| 04:46.09 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 04:46.33 | shirish | micols: I would be grateful if there is some link I can read and try. |
| 04:46.52 | shirish | peterrooney: thank you, you atleast tried :) |
| 04:46.58 | sviz | if I have a lenny CD in my drive can I use it to install squeeze? I know I can do this with FreeBSD but what about debian?? |
| 04:47.04 | karlpinc | shirish: Well, you can do the same with a regular filesystem/partition, it's just that you usually have the disk be offline to do it. |
| 04:47.38 | karlpinc | shirish: I'd suggest wikipedia and then the lvm man pages. |
| 04:47.53 | luke-jr | Running 'reportbug' as root is probably insecure! Continue [y|N|q|?]? |
| 04:47.54 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 04:48.08 | luke-jr | is it really, or just paranoia? |
| 04:48.19 | karlpinc | sviz: Is it a live cd? (It's probably less hassle to download and use the netinstall image.) |
| 04:48.41 | sviz | its the net install 5.0.7 CD |
| 04:48.44 | karlpinc | luke-jr: It's a bad idea for other reasons too, like the email address used to file the bug. |
| 04:49.10 | sviz | karlpinc: I've been trying to find a good way all day to get at re-installing this thing w/out physical access |
| 04:49.13 | karlpinc | sviz: I'd recommand a new netinstall for 6.*. |
| 04:49.42 | sviz | karlpinc: thats what I wantâ¦.. but I wish I could just change the distro for the disk |
| 04:50.06 | luke-jr | karlpinc: well, I don't actually *have* any other users⦠|
| 04:50.08 | karlpinc | sviz: It's running debian right? What's wrong with debootstrap? |
| 04:50.38 | sviz | Im not having success, |
| 04:50.43 | karlpinc | luke-jr: You pays your money and youse takes yer chances. |
| 04:50.54 | sviz | karlpinc: also will that allow me to repartition? |
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| 04:51.15 | karlpinc | sviz: You've got a little unpartitoned disk space to make a small root partition you can install a minimal debian into? |
| 04:51.42 | sviz | I can repurpose my swap space... |
| 04:51.46 | karlpinc | sviz: That's the tricky part. You need to have spare space and move stuff around. |
| 04:51.53 | karlpinc | sviz: But why not just upgrade? |
| 04:52.20 | karlpinc | sviz: In theory you could shrink other fs-s and partitions too. |
| 04:52.28 | sviz | karlpinc: the servers a mess of all kinds of custom things here and there. its just easier to rebuild |
| 04:52.52 | shirish | karlpinc: I dunno I asked sometime ago but never got how I can do with ext4 . For e.g. please see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=69105 |
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| 04:53.21 | shirish | karlpinc: I had asked on the debian channel but no answer there as well. |
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| 04:54.02 | karlpinc | shirish: Resizing the fs and altering the partition sizes are two different operations. I don't know what tools are there for ext4, but surely there's something. Use "dpkg -S" on the ext4 package or use debtags to search or some such. |
| 04:54.09 | sviz | karlpinc: can I hit tab at the cd menu and add something to the command line to tell it to use the squeeze repo? |
| 04:54.42 | karlpinc | sviz: You mean the installer's boot menu? |
| 04:55.35 | sviz | karlpinc: if i choose "Install" and hit tab its: /install.386/vmlinuz via=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz -- quiet |
| 04:55.55 | sviz | karlpinc: can I add a switch for it to download a different build than on the disk? |
| 04:56.00 | karlpinc | sviz: I see. You've a debian 5 install cd already inserted. |
| 04:56.11 | sviz | karlpinc: yup |
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| 04:56.28 | karlpinc | sviz: The thing you want inserted is a debian-live cd. That would take you places. :-P |
| 04:56.41 | sviz | karlpinc: :( how about netboot? |
| 04:56.41 | sviz | ? |
| 04:56.42 | sviz | lol |
| 04:57.08 | karlpinc | sviz: You've access to a serial port console so you can mess with the bios and get it to pxeboot? |
| 04:57.35 | sviz | karlpinc: I have an ipkvm but theres no DHCP in the subnet |
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| 04:58.07 | karlpinc | sviz: Netboot would be good, but you need control of a dhcp server and something that serves tftp that's on the local lan. |
| 04:58.26 | sviz | karlpinc: yea sadly I'm a guest on this lan |
| 04:58.28 | karlpinc | sviz: No other box on the subnet you could put a dhcp and tftp server on? |
| 04:58.41 | sviz | karlpinc: no :( |
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| 05:00.51 | karlpinc | sviz: Have you read the install guide? You might be able to boot an installer kernel/initrd and mount in a ramfs a cd image. Do you have enough ram? |
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| 05:01.32 | sviz | karlpinc: 3 gig |
| 05:01.33 | karlpinc | sviz: That might be what's called a "hard disk install" I'm not sure about the vocabularly. |
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| 05:01.54 | karlpinc | sviz: 3g is plenty. I'd say that's the way to go. Straight through grub's boot menu. |
| 05:02.10 | poridgez | how would I set it up so new users can't list the files in other peoples home directories? |
| 05:02.14 | karlpinc | sviz: The install guide is your friend. |
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| 05:03.19 | sviz | karlpinc: thanks for the other idea⦠ill look into this |
| 05:03.32 | wols | poridgez: they shouldn't be by default |
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| 05:04.07 | karlpinc | poridgez: You make sure you're using user private groups and then have the home directories deny access to "other". I forget just what sets the permissions on the home directories that are created. Check out "man adduser". |
| 05:04.53 | karlpinc | wols: Yes? I always forget. |
| 05:05.13 | sviz | karlpinc: and I'm guessing busy box is useless aye? |
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| 05:06.02 | tty0 | hello to everybody. i've a small problem, i miss the apache2 configuration (/etc/apache2/) and i need regenerate it. somebody can help me? |
| 05:06.08 | karlpinc | wols: I'm thinking they do by default. "man useradd" says DIR_MODE is 0755. |
| 05:06.25 | skilz | Is it okay to copy the whole /etc/bash.bashrc from one system to another or will it screw something up? |
| 05:06.26 | karlpinc | !tell tty0 about confmiss |
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| 05:07.14 | tty0 | thanks karlpinc ;) |
| 05:07.21 | karlpinc | skilz: I suppose that depends on how screwed up the file your copying is. It's always a good idea to understand what you're doing. |
| 05:08.03 | skilz | I just want to make user@hostname: orange |
| 05:08.14 | karlpinc | poridgez: (You're almost surely using user private groups, unless there's users who were created long ago still hanging about.) |
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| 05:09.00 | karlpinc | skilz: Read "man bash" and understand what you're supposed to put into PS1 or PS2 or whatever. Try it out interactively to see what happens. (Just set the variable in your shell.) |
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| 05:09.31 | skilz | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' |
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| 05:10.11 | skilz | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ ' is whats on my system with a green prompt |
| 05:10.15 | skilz | does that look correct? |
| 05:10.36 | karlpinc | skilz: Who knows. Try pasting that into your shell and see. |
| 05:10.37 | skilz | I dont think I done it in the bash.bashrc file |
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| 05:11.04 | skilz | Ahh |
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| 05:11.06 | skilz | it works |
| 05:11.12 | skilz | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' |
| 05:11.25 | skilz | What numbers would I change to change green to orange? |
| 05:11.36 | Dulak | skilz: you want to do that in ~/.bashrc |
| 05:11.51 | Dulak | skilz: don't change /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 05:12.00 | gnarface | hey does anyone know a way to check my memory clock speed and latency timing stuff from linux? i want to verify my ras/cas/precharge latency shit but i don't want to reboot to do it |
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| 05:12.06 | gnarface | *sigh* |
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| 05:12.33 | gnarface | i can't possibly have this bad timing. the universe is mocking me openly at this point |
| 05:12.35 | skilz | grrr |
| 05:12.59 | skilz | Dulak, Thanks! Thats exactly what I was looking for! :) |
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| 05:13.48 | karlpinc | gnarface: dmidecode? |
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| 05:13.56 | skilz | Dulak, In ~.bashrc how do I make the green orange? |
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| 05:14.24 | Dulak | skilz: ~/.bashrc will supercede settings in /etc/bash.bashrc, and /etc/bash.bashrc might get changed from a package upgrade |
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| 05:14.50 | skilz | One other problem, when I open a terminal, the directory is / not ~ How do I fix this? |
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| 05:14.54 | Dulak | skilz: I have no idea what the color code is for any color. I just copy/paste them from google searches |
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| 05:15.34 | gnarface | karlpinc: oh thanks, that rings a bell. i'll try it out |
| 05:15.34 | somiaj | skilz: did you run 'startx' in / |
| 05:15.51 | skilz | don't think so |
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| 05:15.59 | skilz | its only in gnome it happens |
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| 05:16.06 | skilz | in fluxbox its fine |
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| 05:19.45 | jmarsden | Dulak and skilz: man console_codes (it has the numbers for all the colours. |
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| 05:21.25 | skilz | jmarsden, I can't find anything for orange :/ |
| 05:21.58 | jmarsden | Orange? There is no ANSI (ECMA 48) color code for orange. It is not a standard console color, as far as I know. |
| 05:22.23 | skilz | :( |
| 05:22.42 | skilz | so I can't have an orangish color prompt? |
| 05:22.45 | jmarsden | skilz: Is this for a real text console, or for some terminal emulator? |
| 05:22.55 | somiaj | they can be set by the consol, so you won't see the color it says. |
| 05:22.56 | sizzers | there is also no word that rhymes with it |
| 05:23.39 | jmarsden | sizzers: syringe rhymes with orange ... but this is off topic :) |
| 05:23.59 | skilz | jmarsden, It's for a real text console and the urxvt |
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| 05:24.24 | sizzers | blasphemy.... what about purple |
| 05:24.39 | skilz | yuck! it looks like pink |
| 05:24.46 | skilz | 0;35 |
| 05:25.00 | jmarsden | skilz: Your girlfriend might like it? :) |
| 05:25.09 | skilz | True |
| 05:25.17 | skilz | She can have it on her pc |
| 05:25.41 | skilz | Shes slowly learning the terminal to run programs ect |
| 05:25.54 | Dulak | jmarsden: thx never knew about that page |
| 05:26.01 | jmarsden | Dulak: You're welcome. |
| 05:26.04 | sviz | karlpinc: omg I think you hit the nail on the head. where were you 12 hours ago |
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| 05:27.07 | karlpinc | sviz: As I recall, 12 hours ago I told you to go read the install guide. |
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| 05:27.36 | sviz | karlpinc: lol that was 24, and I got sidetracked with debootstrap on like the second page |
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| 05:28.03 | karlpinc | sviz: That's because I told you to look at debootstrap. :-) |
| 05:28.13 | skilz | Why no orange code? |
| 05:28.28 | sviz | karlpinc: apparently I can use the HDD install to bootstrap an ISO |
| 05:28.32 | skilz | Im using 0;31 for red |
| 05:28.46 | sviz | skilz: what code for plaid? |
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| 05:28.51 | somiaj | skilz: there is only 16 colors and they then divided that into two, so there are 8 colors (bright and dull version) after white/black/grey not much left. |
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| 05:29.08 | sviz | somiaj: try dull red |
| 05:29.35 | karlpinc | sviz: Right. That's where you want to go. |
| 05:29.37 | skilz | How do I get dull red if 0;31 is red? |
| 05:29.48 | skilz | Oh |
| 05:29.52 | skilz | replace 0 with 1 |
| 05:30.46 | karlpinc | sviz: I'd try getting it to boot the installer at home first, then replicate. |
| 05:31.04 | sviz | karlpinc: yea trying with my VM right now |
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| 05:42.24 | claw | i cant execute ifconfig anymore (cmd not found) - running /sbin/ifconfig is fine but ifconfig does not work anymore |
| 05:43.12 | jsoft | claw: echo $PATH ? |
| 05:43.25 | somiaj | claw: let me guess you just updated sudo and didn't update the config file? |
| 05:43.56 | somiaj | claw: /sbin by default shouldn't be in a normal users $PATH, but it should be in sudo's and roots path |
| 05:43.59 | claw | echo $PATH |
| 05:43.59 | claw | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 05:44.20 | somiaj | so its common for a normal user to not have ifconfig in their path |
| 05:45.06 | claw | # echo $PATH |
| 05:45.06 | claw | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 05:45.28 | claw | y i kept the config file when updaten sudo |
| 05:45.33 | claw | how to fix that ? |
| 05:46.05 | somiaj | add Defaults secure_path="/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" to /etc/sudoers via visudo |
| 05:46.25 | somiaj | I guess you could include /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin: to be more standard I just removed it in mine |
| 05:46.34 | cooldude | hey guys, how can i fix this -> "/usr/include/linux/errno.h:4:23: error: asm/errno.h: No such file or directory" |
| 05:46.42 | cooldude | that is when i am compiling something |
| 05:47.11 | somiaj | cooldude: what are you trying to compile? do you have all the develoment headers (-dev) packaegs installed? |
| 05:47.19 | cooldude | hmm |
| 05:47.28 | cooldude | somiaj, some IRC stuff |
| 05:47.33 | cooldude | that is what i am compiling |
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| 05:47.53 | somiaj | cooldude: ls /usr/include/asm/errno.h (is that file there)? |
| 05:48.12 | cooldude | uh |
| 05:48.18 | cooldude | lemme see |
| 05:48.28 | somiaj | your error is saying 'no such file or diercroty', so lets see if its there. |
| 05:48.34 | cooldude | jodie:~# ls /usr/include/asm/errno.h |
| 05:48.34 | cooldude | ls: cannot access /usr/include/asm/errno.h: No such file or directory |
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| 05:50.07 | somiaj | cooldude: looks like you nee to install linux-headers-<ver> for your kernel version |
| 05:50.15 | cooldude | ah k |
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| 05:50.33 | cooldude | how can i find my linux version? |
| 05:50.38 | somiaj | uname -a |
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| 05:50.54 | cooldude | jodie:~# uname -a |
| 05:50.54 | cooldude | Linux jodie 2.6.32-4-pve #1 SMP Mon May 9 12:59:57 CEST 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:51.22 | cooldude | so i am guessing i am gonna do "apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-4"? |
| 05:51.30 | somiaj | you have a vps kernel -- you'll have to get the headers from your vps provider (2.6.32-4-pve) is not a standard debian kernel |
| 05:51.57 | cooldude | blah |
| 05:52.00 | somiaj | those headers may do the trick, but I dont' know whwat special things the -pve (patches and like) have been added |
| 05:52.03 | cooldude | i will open a support ticket |
| 05:52.15 | cooldude | i will open a support ticket to the vps host |
| 05:56.09 | somiaj | cooldude: do you have any packages by the name proxmox-* installed (dpkg -l | grep proxmox) |
| 05:57.19 | cooldude | um |
| 05:57.26 | cooldude | i dont think i have somiaj |
| 05:57.28 | somiaj | my guess is your vps is ussing, http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 05:57.40 | cooldude | myt VPS is using OpenNZ |
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| 06:22.20 | mosno | say i install a 3rd party deb. do apt/dpkg detect conflicting pathnames (eg. an official debian deb and this 3rd party deb both try to install /usr/bin/foo)? i'm guessing "no", and that they only detect a conflict if there's an explicit "Conflicts" declared in one of the debs |
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| 06:26.39 | gnarface | karlpinc: hey that dmidecode output --- its not known for being incredibly accurate, is it? |
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| 06:30.04 | somiaj | mosno: I belive it errors out if it tries to write over a file that already exists. |
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| 06:32.59 | somiaj | mosno: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces |
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| 06:34.38 | somiaj | so unless the package is created to 'replace' the file it will error out, but there is a policy to get around that. |
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| 06:36.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps I am in the testing install and its asking what kernels to use? |
| 06:36.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | I am running a 686 netbook.. |
| 06:37.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | what is pae?? |
| 06:37.13 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: what choices does it give you? |
| 06:38.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | its image 2.6-486, 2.6-686-pae, 3.0.0-1-486, 3.0.0.-1-686-pae linux image 486,686, 686-pae with no versions on them |
| 06:39.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | this is a failry recent asus netbook |
| 06:39.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | so its not a dino, |
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| 06:39.42 | somiaj | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/linux-image-686-pae |
| 06:39.55 | somiaj | if your processor isn't in that list just do 686 (or you could just do 686 and be fine) |
| 06:40.11 | wols | !pae |
| 06:40.12 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
| 06:40.27 | wols | Eryn_1983_FL: something you don't need for a netbook (not enough ram on one) |
| 06:40.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 06:40.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i am gonna install the 3x 686 one then |
| 06:40.44 | Dulak | pae works on the atom, but you don't need it since they usually top out at 2g |
| 06:40.44 | wols | but you still want a 686 kernel for it |
| 06:41.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | damn.. |
| 06:41.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | click the 486 one. |
| 06:41.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | i can install the other once it gets booted up rigt |
| 06:41.38 | somiaj | it will work, can install the 686 one once you get the base system or install done |
| 06:41.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 06:41.44 | mosno | somiaj: great, thanks |
| 06:41.45 | wols | you can always change, no problem. only need s a reboot |
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| 06:41.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | k |
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| 06:43.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... |
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| 06:44.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am not certain my system are using apae kernel.. the ones with like 8 gigs of ram that is.. |
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| 06:44.33 | somiaj | Eryn_1983_FL: is it 64bit? |
| 06:45.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes |
| 06:45.52 | somiaj | then its not an issue |
| 06:45.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | so pae is just for 32bit? |
| 06:46.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok gotcha |
| 06:46.05 | wols | then PAE is meaningless, and so is 486. at least if you are using debian amd64 |
| 06:46.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | ttyl going to go get food |
| 06:46.16 | somiaj | its an issue with just addressing memeory. By default 32bit couldn't deal with more than 4gigs with out special featers. |
| 06:46.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats for my desktops I was asking, i am install in on a netbok now |
| 06:46.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | feathers? LOL |
| 06:46.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | didnt know my bus was a chicken lol |
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| 07:11.17 | wols | peterS: is it me or is this guy a troll over there? |
| 07:11.33 | peterS | wols: kinda hard to tell. I'm leaning toward his keyboard really is acting up and he's frustrated |
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| 07:13.10 | wols | possibly. I think someone with shot init.d was here (or there) yesterday already. he did something stupid like install RH stuff or such. would need to check my logs |
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| 07:54.40 | micols | karlpinc: I already tried both xfs_info,xfs_repair,xfs_growfs,xfs_check , xfs_check says out of memory and also xfs_repair so I made a 20GB swap partition without luck it still does it |
| 07:55.10 | micols | apparently 1GB free and 26GB swap isn't enough for it :) |
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| 08:02.19 | jelly-home | hmph |
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| 08:05.14 | aidalgol | On my system, this command does not appear to actually do anything: |
| 08:05.46 | aidalgol | sudo ln -s /path/to/archive/*_all.deb /path/to/archive/*_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:06.17 | aidalgol | Running it with the verbose flag does not cause it to print anything, so it really isn't creating links. |
| 08:06.33 | aidalgol | What am I doing wrong? |
| 08:06.36 | wols | how would it? that glb there is icky |
| 08:06.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok how do i get my wiwif to workie |
| 08:06.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | wifi |
| 08:07.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | the gnome network manager thing says the device is not managed.. |
| 08:07.39 | aidalgol | wols: ls instead of ln (and without the destination) prints the files that should be getting linked. What's wrong with the glob? |
| 08:07.50 | wols | Eryn_1983_FL: which wlan chip? "iwconfig" helps |
| 08:08.10 | wols | aidalgol: obviously the lgob doesn't work :( |
| 08:08.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm i got it |
| 08:08.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | i did a ifup wlna0 |
| 08:08.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | ... and it worked.. its so good to be back in debian... |
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| 08:10.04 | wols | Eryn_1983_FL: check if it's "auto wlan0" in your interfaces file then :) |
| 08:10.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | it is |
| 08:10.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | the install did it all for me nice of it |
| 08:10.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | btw does it use network manager? |
| 08:10.33 | wols | Eryn_1983_FL: atheros? |
| 08:10.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | yes |
| 08:10.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | no debian testing |
| 08:10.55 | aidalgol | wols: But it's expanded by the shell, not ln; so if it works when I just echo it, why should not work when I pass it to ln? |
| 08:10.57 | wols | and wpa? cause I can never get wpa to work automagically :) |
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| 08:11.33 | wols | aidalgol: dunno why but it obvlously doesn't. doe a find -exec, or use xargs or something :( |
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| 08:12.01 | aidalgol | wols: I just thought of something: could the argument list be too long? |
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| 08:12.30 | wols | usually bash tells you about that I think |
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| 08:13.21 | skilz | (This only happens in Gnome) When I open urxvt my prompt is at '/' not '~' how can I fix this? Is there some setting to change it? |
| 08:13.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | wols: i love debian. |
| 08:14.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | wheezy looks good so far will see how stumpwm and xmoanad fair tonight i think. |
| 08:16.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | wheezy looks good so far will see how stumpwm and xmoanad fair tonight i think. |
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| 08:26.42 | sp3ctum | i have a weird issue: i installed the newest debian onto my laptop with 2G ram, but debian only shows 554M as 'total' when I ask free -m |
| 08:27.04 | wols | sp3ctum: use a 686 kernel instead of a -486 one |
| 08:27.17 | sp3ctum | you think that's it? |
| 08:27.22 | wols | yes I do |
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| 08:27.39 | wols | uname -a |
| 08:27.57 | sp3ctum | wols, Linux jekku 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 04:13:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:28.40 | wols | that is strange. what laptop is this? older AMD k8 cpu? |
| 08:28.55 | sp3ctum | i'll fetch a link to its specs |
| 08:29.25 | wols | does it have internal graphics? e.g. intel IGP? cause it looks like your kernel only sees 1GB and then subtracts stuff like video memory and such |
| 08:29.46 | sp3ctum | wols, http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/latit/topics/en/latit_d410_sp_spec?c=us&l=en&cs=rc956904 |
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| 08:30.15 | lancelot_of | hi there |
| 08:30.32 | lancelot_of | how to disable a driver for X and enable another one? |
| 08:30.40 | sp3ctum | wols, it says "When needed, the D410's 915 GM chipset can allocate up to 128 MB of system memory to graphics" but that doesn't really add up |
| 08:30.49 | wols | lancelot_of: you tell X to use the desired driver via xorg.conf |
| 08:31.18 | wols | sp3ctum: it does with the rest of PCI memory mapped stuff. but it'S still strange. should work just fine. tried an PAE kernel yet? |
| 08:31.41 | lancelot_of | i tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-old /dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-new/dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:31.56 | wols | !wayttd lancelot_of |
| 08:31.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, lancelot_of? |
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| 08:32.23 | sp3ctum | wols, no, i haven't. what is it? |
| 08:32.45 | wols | PAE is a way to access "upper" memory on 32bit systems |
| 08:32.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.02 | wols | usually for 4GB+ systems but still worth a try |
| 08:33.17 | sp3ctum | hmm, i will try it next |
| 08:33.36 | lancelot_of | dpkg, enable a new driver in xserver-xorg |
| 08:33.37 | dpkg | lancelot_of: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 08:33.51 | lancelot_of | dpkg, xserver-xorg |
| 08:33.52 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, lancelot_of |
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| 08:34.41 | wols | dpkg is a bot. tell us exactly which driver and what you actually want to do. I told you you do it by editing xorg.conf normally. dpkg-reconfigure will not help you there |
| 08:34.42 | dpkg | wols: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 08:34.52 | wols | dpkg: shuttp |
| 08:34.53 | dpkg | wols: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 08:35.53 | lancelot_of | wols, i've no xorg.conf in my /etc/X11 |
| 08:36.07 | lancelot_of | wols, maybe i should use a snippet in /etc/xorg.conf.d |
| 08:36.10 | lancelot_of | ? |
| 08:36.49 | lancelot_of | i would try to use other drivers instead of vesa, while waiting the solution of intel driver bug |
| 08:37.20 | lancelot_of | wols, ^^ |
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| 08:37.36 | Kasreyn | ,versions openocd |
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| 08:38.14 | eniac | I have BCM4312 broadcom wifi card. The card has a device file /dev/eth1 (using the wl drivers) but I can't seem to set it's ESSID. |
| 08:38.54 | eniac | I've tried iwconfig eth1 essid <essid> but after running this command and looking at the output of iwconfig eth1 again the ESSID is still set to "" (nothing) ? |
| 08:39.07 | lancelot_of | maybe i was disconnected, did i miss anything? |
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| 08:39.28 | wols | eniac: does your AP use WPA? |
| 08:39.53 | wols | lancelot_of: what other drivers. there is only VESA and intel for you, nothing else you can use, ever |
| 08:39.56 | eniac | wols: no I currently turned off all kind of encryption on the AP. |
| 08:40.51 | lancelot_of | wols, i'd like to try radeon, just to see what happens |
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| 08:41.13 | eniac | I just find it strange my wifi device is called eth1 and not wlan0 |
| 08:41.20 | wols | eniac: I'd enable WPA and use http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#WPA-PSK_and_WPA2-PSK under 3. to connect |
| 08:41.31 | wols | eniac: it's a broadcom. nothing is strange there |
| 08:41.42 | wols | lancelot_of: X will error, nothing else |
| 08:41.54 | wols | !tell lancelot_of about nvidia dkms |
| 08:42.02 | lancelot_of | wols, ok thanks anyway |
| 08:42.05 | eniac | wols: I know I should enable encryption but if I can't get it working without encryption how on earth will it work with encryption turned on ? |
| 08:42.19 | wols | lancelot_of: see the command that writes the xorg.confg entry. you simply replace nvidia with the drivername of choice |
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| 08:42.49 | wols | eniac: just try it. debian does it all automatically this way. you can do it without encryption too, but why bother? |
| 08:42.58 | lancelot_of | wols, but i've not any nvidia chipset |
| 08:43.19 | lancelot_of | wols, and i'm not a squeeze user, but wheezy |
| 08:44.36 | wols | lancelot_of: but you have no radeon chipset either. and I told you what you should replace with what |
| 08:45.41 | lancelot_of | wols, i understood, either intel or vesa, nothing else |
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| 08:46.19 | eniac | wols: if I want to try it without any encryption should I should ommit the wpa-psk mysecretpasspharse part ? |
| 08:46.33 | wols | do it with encryption if you use that example |
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| 08:46.55 | uwjweq | Help. I can print with evince but not with lpr in the command line. |
| 08:46.56 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.00 | niman | hi my friend i install debian and i dont need any login manager like gdm or kdm and GUI like a gnome and kde i want config my debian in terminal (bash) for auto login (when boot up dont ask user name and password ) plz help me |
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| 08:52.24 | eniac | wols: does it matter if I set my encryption to AES , TKIP or AES/TKIP on my AP ? |
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| 08:55.44 | Arafangion | eniac: Of course! Why would you have those options(!) :) |
| 08:55.54 | Arafangion | isn't yet in a helpful mood. |
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| 08:58.53 | wols | eniac: practiacally no. aes is slightly more secure since some (theoretical?) attacks don't work there. |
| 08:59.09 | wols | at this point in time, both are reasonably secure, wpasupplicant can deal with either |
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| 08:59.26 | babilen | niman: I can think of a couple of ways. The first two work by editing /etc/inittab and changing the getty line (i.e. 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1) to something like "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/rungetty tty1 --autologin YOUR_USER_NAME" (requires rungetty) or "1:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --noclear --autologin root tty1" (requires mingetty). Run "init q" to re-read /etc/inittab. A second way would be to configure P |
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| 09:00.15 | MChizhov | hello |
| 09:00.26 | Bushmills | niman: purge gdm or kdm |
| 09:00.29 | babilen | niman: Ah, on second thought -- Just make a backup of /etc/inittab, comment the old line and add a new. You might also be able to convince PAM to not require a password, but I don't know that from the top of my head. |
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| 09:00.56 | Bushmills | oh, you also want no getty. well, what babilen said |
| 09:01.01 | MChizhov | i recieve error, when using apt-get |
| 09:01.02 | MChizhov | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:01.02 | MChizhov | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.10 | MChizhov | how can i fix it? |
| 09:01.41 | MChizhov | when i try apt-get remove ca-certificates-java |
| 09:01.47 | MChizhov | it says |
| 09:01.48 | MChizhov | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:01.48 | MChizhov | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.52 | babilen | niman: Please also read the documentation for rungetty and mingetty -- You might even be able to run login directly from /etc/inittab ... something like "1:2345:respawn:/bin/login -f YOUR_USER tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1" -- Note that all this isn't exactly recommended, but those are the ways that pop into my mind |
| 09:03.01 | babilen | !tell MChizhov -about bat |
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| 09:06.05 | babilen | MChizhov: It very much looks as if you have wheezy/sid in your sources list as ca-certificates-java in squeeze does *not* depend on libnss3-1d |
| 09:06.15 | babilen | ,depends ca-certificates-java |
| 09:06.15 | judd | Package ca-certificates-java -- depends: ca-certificates (>= 20090814), openjdk-6-jre-headless (>= 6b16-1.6.1-2) | java6-runtime-headless. |
| 09:06.20 | babilen | ,depends ca-certificates-java --release wheezy |
| 09:06.20 | judd | Package ca-certificates-java -- depends: ca-certificates (>= 20090814), openjdk-6-jre-headless (>= 6b16-1.6.1-2) | java6-runtime-headless, libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.10-2~). |
| 09:08.12 | eniac | it's really odd I can use iwlist eth1 scan and get a valid result still ifup eth1 gives me a dhcp time out |
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| 09:08.27 | babilen | MChizhov: It should be evident that mixing releases is bad and totally unsupported. But there is not much we can do without further information. Please paste the information dpkg asked you about in its private message and your sources.list |
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| 09:09.07 | babilen | eniac: What happens if you bring up the interface manually and run dhclient yourself (enable verbose output to see what is going on) ? |
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| 09:09.41 | wols | babilen: broadcom prop wlan driver :( |
| 09:09.42 | babilen | eniac: Can you associate with the network in question? What kind of network is it? How did you configure it? |
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| 09:10.12 | babilen | looks at wols and backs off slowly ... |
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| 09:10.49 | eniac | babilen: it's a broadcom BCM4312 I'm using the wl driver. bringing the interface up goes well but dhclient eth1 gives me another timeout. |
| 09:11.09 | eniac | The thing is I can't manually set the ESSID on the eth1 interface using iwconfig eth1 essid <essid> |
| 09:11.15 | wols | bcm4312 |
| 09:11.16 | babilen | eniac: Why not? |
| 09:11.18 | wols | !bcm4312 |
| 09:11.19 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> as of Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Lenny users, see <bcm4312 lenny>. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 09:11.55 | eniac | so I should be using the b43 driver ? |
| 09:12.13 | babilen | Ok, I'll get me some coffee and will be back in a second. Please check your specific chipset (via pciid from "lspci -nn|grep -i network") |
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| 09:21.51 | eniac | babilen: Network Controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11/b LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev01) |
| 09:22.39 | eniac | babilen: I guess I need the firmware-b43legacy-installer |
| 09:22.58 | babilen | eniac: I'd try b43 with the lpphy firmware first. It would also help to know more details about your network and setup. |
| 09:23.27 | eniac | babilen: currently there is no encryption set on my network, just to make things easier. |
| 09:23.33 | babilen | ok |
| 09:24.06 | eniac | I'm installing firmware-b43-lpphy-installer |
| 09:24.23 | wols | eniac: at least the b43 is supposed to work on your chipset. so fingers crossed :) |
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| 09:25.20 | djup | hi, i have a pb when i try to install debian from an usb key. To step "detect and mount CD ROM" i have this error, " n common cd rom drive was detected. And i have to load cd rom drivers from removable media. But i dont use cd rom. |
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| 09:26.44 | eniac | wols: I've added b43 to /etc/modules and remove wl there, now rebooting (to be sure) |
| 09:27.23 | wols | eniac: is the firmware in /lib/firmware? |
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| 09:27.25 | wols | djup: did you use unetbootin? |
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| 09:28.14 | djup | yes i use unetbootin |
| 09:28.19 | eniac | wols: yes I thinkg so /lib/firmware/b43 contains .fw files. |
| 09:28.40 | wols | djup: that's why. /msg dpkg hybrid images |
| 09:29.59 | Ragnar | have you noticed that tar doesnt archieve hidden files? |
| 09:30.03 | Ragnar | .ssh 'n stuff? |
| 09:30.29 | MChizhov | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/128586/ - apt-get run, http://paste.debian.net/128585/ - policy, http://paste.debian.net/128587/ - sources |
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| 09:33.42 | alabd | Good day all , does not debian have server edition ? |
| 09:33.51 | blackshirt | howto syncronize folders/files between windows and linux ? |
| 09:33.53 | alabd | we should install http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ on server ? |
| 09:34.07 | tvm | alabd: yes, there's only one version for all |
| 09:34.08 | wols | MChizhov: you have mixed stable and unstable and your java6 package is probably from unstable |
| 09:34.19 | blackshirt | alabd: debian was universal OS :d |
| 09:34.22 | wols | MChizhov: also run apt-get -f install as your apt-get run says |
| 09:34.33 | MChizhov | yes |
| 09:34.36 | wols | alabd: there are no "editions": it's all the same debian |
| 09:35.00 | wols | alabd: and yes, you should use debian stable for production systems, server or desktop |
| 09:35.03 | alabd | but does it have sshd enabled after install ? |
| 09:35.10 | MChizhov | i think i solved issue |
| 09:35.33 | wols | yes, if you install sshd. it asks you at the end what desktop or server software you want to install, among them is ssh too |
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| 09:35.53 | wols | so if you install sshd there, it has a ssh server |
| 09:35.57 | babilen | MChizhov: First things first: It is generally not recommended to use the ftp.debian mirror, but a local one such as ftp.us.debian or ftp.tw.debian or ... (/msg dpkg mirrors) -- It looks as if you added unstable to your sources.list and commented it later on. You might have forgotten to run "apt-get update" after your change. Please do so now and report your results. Please also paste the output of the command mentioned in "/msg dpkg not available" |
| 09:36.28 | MChizhov | babilen, aptitude -f install |
| 09:36.34 | MChizhov | solved the problem |
| 09:36.36 | MChizhov | thanks |
| 09:36.37 | MChizhov | =) |
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| 09:37.13 | alabd | wols: mean when we install debian does it have sshd default ? if it does not have how to access vps ? |
| 09:37.26 | ws2k3 | can somebody help me out a little i have some questions about vhosts in apache2 |
| 09:37.35 | ws2k3 | alabd if u rent a VPS they will install sshd for u |
| 09:37.42 | babilen | ws2k3: #httpd might be a better channel, but please ask. |
| 09:37.48 | ws2k3 | at least that was in my case i have a VPS at a big company |
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| 09:38.34 | alabd | what is the server sshd package name ? |
| 09:38.42 | ws2k3 | babilen thansk. well am i correct that i need to make a file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and i need to give the name of the file the domain of the website that i wanne host? |
| 09:38.44 | ws2k3 | or am i wrong? |
| 09:38.59 | blackshirt | alabd: openssh-server |
| 09:39.17 | babilen | ws2k3: The name of the file is irrelevant, the content is not though ;) |
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| 09:39.41 | ws2k3 | babilen so for example i can host 50 vhosts with one file? |
| 09:39.58 | babilen | ws2k3: It makes sense to give it a meaningful name though -- You can then enable it with a2ensite and disable it with a2dissite |
| 09:40.01 | ws2k3 | (i know its not very orginazed but its possible? |
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| 09:40.46 | simonlnu | ws2k3: you can use an include to re-use config options |
| 09:40.46 | ws2k3 | ok then i know what i need to know. blackshirt is there a difference betweed sshd en openssh-server? |
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| 09:41.02 | ws2k3 | simonlnu thx |
| 09:41.26 | Dulak | ws2k3: ssd is the daemon, openssh-server is the name of the package you install to get it. |
| 09:41.27 | ws2k3 | in my vhost the servername and server alies what does that mean |
| 09:41.36 | babilen | ws2k3: sure, but I wouldn't recommend it. It is typically preferred to have fine-grained control. But it is your box and your config. You can configure it in a single monolithic configuration file. (Just like upstream does it) -- I would build meaningful components (i.e. sites that belong together) and split along those lines. But does it the way that feels natural for you and does not stand in your way. |
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| 09:42.17 | ws2k3 | Dulak babilen thanks |
| 09:42.19 | Dulak | THat was maybe the longest 'yes' I've ever seen. |
| 09:42.25 | Dulak | Just sayin. |
| 09:42.53 | ws2k3 | yeah true. but bether a long answer with meaningfull information then no answer at all :D |
| 09:42.59 | blackshirt | labd: sshd was a ssh daemon server, and openssh-server was a package name if you want ssh server |
| 09:43.16 | ws2k3 | in my vhost the servername and server alies what does that mean |
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| 09:43.33 | babilen | ws2k3: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ (see the linked documentation for NameVirtualHost, ServerName and ServerAlias) |
| 09:44.24 | eniac | babilen: I was finally able to get a connection setup. THe thing is it works using dhcpcd wlan0 but not using dhclient wlan0 ? |
| 09:44.35 | alabd | thank you |
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| 09:56.20 | nsadmin | ws2k3, as you're misspelling some terms, I'm not quite sure. also, maybe you should start from the beginning |
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| 09:57.54 | nsadmin | also you can keep my attention by being responsive |
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| 09:58.39 | ws2k3 | nsadmin sorry i was in another window for a second |
| 09:58.54 | nsadmin | that would have been my guess |
| 09:59.10 | blackshirt | howto syncronize folders or files between windows and linux.. ?? anyone can help ? |
| 09:59.16 | ws2k3 | rsync |
| 09:59.18 | [E]sc | my keyboard is displaying the wrong characters, i previously remembered there was a flush function, does anyone know the command? thanks! |
| 09:59.19 | ws2k3 | would be my advice |
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| 09:59.35 | ubiquitous1980 | same ws2k3 |
| 09:59.44 | blackshirt | ws2k3 : i need on two way sync |
| 09:59.52 | ws2k3 | yeah its possible |
| 09:59.55 | ws2k3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync |
| 10:00.01 | ws2k3 | realy a nice protocol |
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| 10:01.12 | ws2k3 | the way u start the application determines which way u sync. u could add some cronjobs for that |
| 10:02.06 | ws2k3 | i'm still working on my vhosts i got a problem why i cannt have two vhosts on port 81? |
| 10:02.23 | ws2k3 | i configured to vhosts both useing port 81.(for 2 different domains ofcrouse) |
| 10:02.25 | blackshirt | ws2k3 : yeah, i have read it...but i think it was too hard for two-way sync between linux and windows |
| 10:02.45 | ws2k3 | why it would be to hard? |
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| 10:03.25 | ws2k3 | i know it is some work to figure out how it works setup a server etc but yeah... u have to do something before it works i can expect everything is easy |
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| 10:03.47 | blackshirt | ws2k3 : i think rsync suite for uni-direction sync.. cmiw |
| 10:04.55 | blackshirt | ws2k3: i have read unison can do that.. |
| 10:05.21 | ws2k3 | sorry my english is not that great i dont understand what u mean with uni-direction |
| 10:05.46 | MrWax | Anyone in here using the ISPConfig Webpanel? |
| 10:06.30 | blackshirt | ws2k3 : i mean one way.. |
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| 10:07.57 | themill | blackshirt: unison does two-way sync much better than rsync |
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| 10:09.31 | blackshirt | themill: thanks ... i would try that.. have you try that ? |
| 10:09.51 | themill | blackshirt: you just have to ensure that you have exactly the same version of unison at each end of the connection or it barfs badly. Use cygwin ssh and the native unison client and then cygwin's ssh can do passwordless connection to the linux box from the windows box. |
| 10:10.32 | themill | getting unison working on windows is unfortunately a bit of a beast |
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| 10:11.50 | blackshirt | themill: i think i don't need cygwin just for a ssh, i think it too much bloat.. |
| 10:12.06 | ws2k3 | blackshirt i'm sure its not one way |
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| 10:13.11 | ws2k3 | i'm still working on my vhosts i got a problem why i cannt have two vhosts on port 81? |
| 10:14.08 | blackshirt | themill: how about using samba shares and use it for unison sync ? |
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| 10:14.28 | themill | unison and samba don't play nicely together in my experience |
| 10:15.50 | blackshirt | themill: what the problem ?? it's too slow ?? i have samba server installed on my debian box |
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| 10:17.32 | themill | "slow" would be an understatement. Instead of running the remote side of the sync on the remote server where it has fast access to the files, you're running it on the local side where it copies bits of the files back and forth over a slow protocol. Where could it go wrong? |
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| 10:19.23 | nsadmin | you can't have two of anything on the same port without specific arrangement |
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| 10:21.34 | blackshirt | themill: thanks for advice... |
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| 10:24.33 | eniac | Is there a package containing some gtk themes ? |
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| 10:26.50 | babilen | eniac: gnome-themes, gnome-themes-more, gnome-themes-standard, gnome-themes-extra, all the gtk2-engines-* ship different gtk engines, the shiki2-* packages, ... (search yourself "apt-cache search gnome theme") |
| 10:27.10 | babilen | err, shiki- that is |
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| 10:30.59 | retro_ | hi |
| 10:31.07 | retro_ | is it possible to see the dhcp leasetime from client side? |
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| 10:31.12 | retro_ | i get a ip on my client |
| 10:31.19 | retro_ | and want to see the dhcp leasetime |
| 10:31.23 | retro_ | is this possible? |
| 10:31.34 | retro_ | i don't find something in the /var/messages |
| 10:31.50 | retro_ | use debian GNU/Linux 6.x on the client |
| 10:31.54 | retro_ | and same on the server |
| 10:32.14 | filePeter | retro_: It might be readable in the leasefile.. |
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| 10:32.38 | retro_ | filePeter: where is the leasefile? |
| 10:33.17 | filePeter | retro_: dunno, not on a debian box here. |
| 10:33.31 | windparadise | hello, pls I want to install debian into vmware, what is the appropriate url should I use? |
| 10:33.35 | filePeter | retro_: but there is a file saving (all?) the previous leases... |
| 10:33.45 | windparadise | I want to use it as a development platform which Iw ill later upload to my vms |
| 10:33.49 | babilen | retro_: Run "ps aux|grep dhclient" and check the lease file ... It has a line such as "expire 3 2011/09/07 08:47:25;" |
| 10:33.50 | windparadise | vps also on debian |
| 10:34.12 | retro_ | babilen: thanks |
| 10:34.39 | windparadise | what do you suggest, ? |
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| 10:34.45 | babilen | retro_: There might be better ways, but that is the first thing that pops into my mind... Read "man dhclient" or so ... :-/ |
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| 10:45.25 | shomon | hi, does anyone know if there is a guide for running 2 versions of php concurrently on lenny? |
| 10:45.39 | shomon | or just otoh, is it an arduous path, or quite straightforward? |
| 10:46.31 | themill | shomon: what are you really trying to do? |
| 10:46.57 | nsadmin | why run two versions of a language? do versions matter that much? |
| 10:47.01 | shomon | well, I have a server with mostly moodle and ancient legacy sites, and I want to install a newest version of moodle |
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| 10:47.31 | shomon | which requires php 5.3 - so we have no time now to check all sites, although we will across the next month or so. |
| 10:48.04 | shomon | so this is why it'd be easier to have some sites running off a compiled php in some directory, and others running off the main, legacy version... as we check through and update all the sites |
| 10:48.09 | themill | shomon: upgrading to squeeze gives you php 5.3 already; you also only have 5 months of lenny security support left so now might be a good time to put your lenny->squeeze upgrade plan into action. |
| 10:48.22 | shomon | yes, that's part of it. |
| 10:48.50 | themill | shomon: if you've got php crap around that hasn't been updated to deal with php 5.3 as opposed to older php 5.2, then perhaps you need to decide if it's well-enough maintained to still be in production. |
| 10:49.33 | shomon | even that decision will take time though :) but we might figure most of it out within a couple of days... |
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| 10:57.04 | shomon | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/580318/can-i-have-different-versions-of-php-installed-and-running-on-my-server - looks like this is more of an apache issue than a php one... |
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| 11:00.34 | laurus | On Debian Wheezy, running "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" gives this error message: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124504 |
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| 11:01.18 | laurus | How to fix it? |
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| 11:05.36 | mutante | laurus: it talks about the environment variable $PATH, and it not having /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. i would check, as root, echo $PATH |
| 11:06.17 | laurus | mutante, thanks. Those sbin directories are not in there. How can I add them? Also, why did this start happening suddenly? |
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| 11:07.43 | mutante | laurus: temporary: export PATH="..." |
| 11:07.57 | laurus | Permanently? |
| 11:08.27 | nsadmin | put export PATH="..." in a file |
| 11:08.40 | mutante | put the line in .. ehm ... /root/.bashrc |
| 11:08.46 | nsadmin | for which file, see man bash, look for FILES section |
| 11:09.02 | laurus | nsadmin, mutante: thank you. By the way why didn't this happen automatically? |
| 11:09.32 | nsadmin | dunno, what did you try to do |
| 11:09.45 | laurus | nsadmin, as I said, I just ran "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" as usual. |
| 11:10.29 | nsadmin | normally sudo isn't set up... dunno how it works or what vars it sets |
| 11:10.45 | laurus | Ok. |
| 11:11.24 | mutante | how about "which ldconfig" and "which start-stop-daemon" |
| 11:12.00 | laurus | It gave: /sbdin/ldconfig , /sbin/start-stop/daemon . |
| 11:12.09 | mutante | and then "file" on the pathes you get |
| 11:12.43 | laurus | It says they are executable. |
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| 11:13.45 | mutante | well, sounds like its really just the PATH, set it and try again |
| 11:14.18 | laurus | mutante, interestingly enough, when I set the root PATH, it didn't fix it, but setting my own user's path fixed it. |
| 11:15.45 | mutante | hmm, how did you become root |
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| 11:16.19 | laurus | mutante, sudo su. |
| 11:16.24 | laurus | But just setting my own path fixed it, so |
| 11:16.26 | mutante | something related to just "su" vs. "su -" ..or i was about so ask .sudo |
| 11:16.27 | mutante | hmm |
| 11:16.29 | laurus | I think it is okay now :) |
| 11:16.35 | mutante | ok |
| 11:16.41 | laurus | Thank you for your help! Also nsadmin |
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| 11:18.44 | themill | sudo has changed the way it sets/resets PATH recently |
| 11:18.58 | laurus | themill, oh, that must be the cause of the problem. |
| 11:19.07 | themill | (you should have been warned about that by the sudo package when it was upgraded) |
| 11:19.19 | laurus | themill, I probably was :| |
| 11:19.37 | laurus | I am not much of a "power-user", I am just using Debian Wheezy because it has Xfce 4.8 :~ |
| 11:19.39 | laurus | :) |
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| 11:20.38 | themill | !dbugs 639841 |
| 11:20.43 | dpkg | #639841:N[sudo] sudo: secure_path change needs a NEWS entry (); Tue, 30 Aug 2011 19:48:02 UTC [] |
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| 11:26.10 | laurus | Thanks themill. |
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| 11:35.40 | k-man | how can I disable the power button from rebooting or powering down the computer? |
| 11:36.14 | shomon | screw in a metal cover over it? :) |
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| 11:37.46 | xro | Hi, i configured my nagios server/client... But i would like to add some check... is there somewhere a list of nagios services and also the according command for the nrpe_local.cfg file? i'm looking for a while |
| 11:38.54 | filePeter | k-man: There are (at least were) acpi scripts in /etc/ |
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| 11:40.19 | pingouin | hello |
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| 11:41.22 | pingouin | how can i remove a file starting with a . (dot) on an ftp using lftp ? i always get an 550 error, file name forbidden |
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| 11:43.28 | filePeter | pingouin: maybe rm ./.file ? |
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| 11:45.10 | pingouin | filePeter: thanks you, but unfortunately....no |
| 11:45.28 | ws2k3 | filpeter files starting with . are hidden in ftp |
| 11:45.35 | ws2k3 | so easy.. u cant.. |
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| 11:46.15 | pingouin | damn.... |
| 11:46.23 | ws2k3 | use ssh |
| 11:46.30 | ws2k3 | or sftp |
| 11:46.49 | pingouin | hmm , i dont have ssh access to it, but maybe sftp |
| 11:47.02 | pingouin | got to try, thanks you for the clues |
| 11:47.07 | wols | you can't have sftp access without ssh |
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| 11:47.27 | wols | well, scponly but that's rare :) |
| 11:47.33 | filePeter | pingouin: /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn |
| 11:48.05 | ws2k3 | can anyone around help me out a little with my vhosts |
| 11:48.08 | ws2k3 | i cant get it to work |
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| 11:48.11 | filePeter | pingouin: sorry. |
| 11:48.17 | filePeter | meant k-man |
| 11:48.35 | filePeter | ws2k3: ask |
| 11:48.54 | ws2k3 | i wanne setup name based vhosts so 2 domain on my server. |
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| 11:49.24 | ws2k3 | in my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled i have one files called mydomain.eu and there i have setup my vhost |
| 11:49.28 | ws2k3 | i shall show u the file |
| 11:49.36 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/Mzrrn0vf |
| 11:49.43 | ws2k3 | this is how it looks now |
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| 11:50.51 | ws2k3 | now i wish to add the seconds domain. so i copy this file and change the servername and serveralies and i reload apache2. but when i do that both the vhost doesnt work anymore |
| 11:50.51 | skiy1337 | ws2k3 : That means you'll need HTTP/1.0? |
| 11:50.57 | skiy1337 | I mean, 1.1! |
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| 11:51.18 | ws2k3 | skiy1337: how u mean i dont understand |
| 11:52.43 | petern_ | do you have a NameVirtualHost entry? |
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| 11:52.51 | pingouin | ws2k3: you a2ensite the both vhost for sure ? |
| 11:53.59 | pingouin | ws2k3: and in the /etc/apache2/ports.conf you should have the NameVirtualHost *:80 (debian way) |
| 11:54.15 | pingouin | ws2k3: and also, what apache spit as error when you restart it after change ? |
| 11:54.40 | ws2k3 | pingouin: no i dont a2ensite |
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| 11:54.50 | ws2k3 | i just modifie in sites-enabled. |
| 11:55.00 | ws2k3 | sorry i'm a apache2 beginner didnt use it before |
| 11:55.36 | ws2k3 | yes i have NameVirtualHost *:80 in ports.conf |
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| 11:56.29 | ws2k3 | pingouinyes when i restart apache2 i get a error this one: Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using ::1 for ServerName |
| 11:56.29 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:57.27 | themill | that's a warning, not an error and name-based virtual hosts will still work |
| 11:58.12 | pingouin | ws2k3: so when you copy you'r vhost, let say vhost1 and vhost2, for sure change the name, the path directive ect... and then in root you have to type a2ensite and choose vhost2 |
| 11:58.18 | pingouin | ws2k3: then restart apache |
| 11:58.59 | skiy1337 | ws2k3, In your file: <VirtualHost *:80> located: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default Looks very strange. |
| 11:59.44 | skiy1337 | Should be <VirtualHost www.freegamehosting.nl:80> ?? |
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| 12:00.35 | skiy1337 | or ... <VirtualHost *freegamehosting.nl:80> |
| 12:00.47 | ws2k3 | woow this is going a little to quick |
| 12:01.16 | petern_ | skiy1337, which requires dns lookups on start up. not always so good. |
| 12:01.19 | pingouin | it's not mandatory to change anythin in the 000-default |
| 12:01.32 | skiy1337 | petern_, it's better than nothing. |
| 12:01.33 | pingouin | if you have vhost vhost1 vhostxxx |
| 12:01.49 | petern_ | well * just means all, not nothing... |
| 12:02.03 | ws2k3 | pleas people not so quick:p |
| 12:02.03 | pingouin | anything that hit you ip server and not have a vhost will drop in 000-default |
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| 12:02.24 | ws2k3 | first of all i dont have a 000-defautl in sites-enabled |
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| 12:02.46 | ferni | VirtualHost *:80 is perfectly fine if you want to catch all, just specify ServerName and possibly ServerAlias(es) |
| 12:03.07 | pingouin | are you on debian ? |
| 12:03.10 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 12:03.15 | ws2k3 | ferni didnt work |
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| 12:03.38 | pingouin | how's possible you dont have 000-default..... i've no clue about this |
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| 12:03.50 | ws2k3 | cause i renamed it |
| 12:03.54 | ws2k3 | i have one file |
| 12:03.57 | pingouin | ok |
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| 12:04.00 | ws2k3 | that have the name mydomain.eu |
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| 12:04.22 | ws2k3 | myfirstdomain.eu |
| 12:04.26 | pingouin | it's better to copy/rename it and change the rigght values you need |
| 12:04.28 | ws2k3 | the content of it i showed u in the pastebin |
| 12:04.44 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 12:04.49 | pingouin | but i guess its can work also like that |
| 12:04.57 | ws2k3 | but when i copy the file |
| 12:04.59 | ws2k3 | change it to my needs |
| 12:05.05 | thogar | i asked this a couple days ago but how do i get a script to run at startup within a terminal? i forgot the location |
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| 12:05.22 | filePeter | thogar: cronjob or rc.local |
| 12:05.48 | ws2k3 | thenr eload apache2 |
| 12:05.54 | ws2k3 | reload apache2 my website is emty.. |
| 12:05.56 | thogar | i need the terminal to be left open aswell |
| 12:06.15 | eniac | What is /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf is used for ? |
| 12:06.23 | filePeter | thogar: "screen" and 2cron @reboot" |
| 12:06.39 | thogar | lol im not that smart yet |
| 12:06.42 | filePeter | thogar: screen can be started detached. |
| 12:06.56 | filePeter | thogar: man screen then! :-) |
| 12:06.59 | thogar | someone said you could just throw it in (some location that i forgot) and chmod +x it or something |
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| 12:07.37 | filePeter | thogar: that wonât neccessarily leave the terminal open... |
| 12:07.46 | thogar | lol |
| 12:09.03 | thogar | "to make it executable chmod +x <filename>" and then "just put it in /usr/local/bin" |
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| 12:09.36 | thogar | but yeah the terminal staying open is what i need |
| 12:10.09 | filePeter | thogar: run "screen -d -m myprogram" |
| 12:10.22 | filePeter | thogar: and get back to it as the same user with screen -r |
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| 12:10.52 | thogar | where does that go? |
| 12:11.03 | filePeter | thogar: Where go? |
| 12:11.13 | thogar | screen -d -m w/ehere |
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| 12:11.51 | filePeter | thogar: into your bash. |
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| 12:12.11 | thogar | my machine is headless, i just want to be able to vnc in to it and see it running in terminal lol |
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| 12:12.32 | filePeter | thogar: Do you want to run that programm when your kde/gnome session starts, or when the _system_ started? |
| 12:12.41 | thogar | the session |
| 12:12.48 | thogar | it auto logins |
| 12:13.19 | shbk | hello, does anybody know what functions exactly can I use to get info about system(video card, resolution) from man 2 or man 3 . I have to use only c/c++. |
| 12:13.27 | thogar | im not on nux on this machine btw lol |
| 12:13.32 | filePeter | thogar: What session? Your obviously running windows... |
| 12:13.41 | thogar | on my gaming rig yes |
| 12:13.58 | filePeter | thogar: So you want what started when you log in to what?! |
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| 12:14.14 | shbk | hello, does anybody know what functions exactly can I use to get info about system(video card, resolution) from man 2 or man 3 . I have to use only c/c++. |
| 12:14.46 | thogar | im confused what a session is i think, isn't a session when you login and it goes to the desktop? |
| 12:16.36 | filePeter | thogar: Your debian is custom tailored to your needs. How shall we know what desktopenvironment youâre using? gnome/kde/windowmaker/fluxbox/....?! |
| 12:16.57 | thogar | gnome |
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| 12:17.25 | filePeter | thogar: So do you want e.g. your xchat started when you log into gnome?! |
| 12:17.41 | thogar | well xchat is a program, i just want to run a script in terminal |
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| 12:18.08 | thogar | at startup, when the user logs in, the script is executed within terminal |
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| 12:18.36 | ciphergoth | The sponsor of my package is no longer a Debian developer - does that mean that the package is orphaned? |
| 12:18.49 | ciphergoth | The package is http://www.lshift.net/mercurial-server.html |
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| 12:18.53 | filePeter | thogar: so google "gnome autostart" and then put "screen -d -m myscript" in there... |
| 12:19.42 | themill | ciphergoth: no, you are still the maintainer hence the package isn't orphaned. |
| 12:20.22 | ciphergoth | themill: ahh, cool, thanks! So is there a word for its current status? How do I go about finding a mentor? |
| 12:20.29 | themill | ciphergoth: You'll notice that Steve's name doesn't appear anywhere on http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mercurial-server.html and never has. |
| 12:20.36 | ciphergoth | ah OK |
| 12:20.48 | ciphergoth | Should I be looking to become a Debian developer myself? |
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| 12:21.01 | StephenS | Hello I downloaded a cd/dvd of debian |
| 12:21.07 | StephenS | I have .sio |
| 12:21.09 | StephenS | .iso ** |
| 12:21.25 | StephenS | should I just burn it to dvd or should I first export data from ISo and then to burn it on dvd? |
| 12:21.28 | StephenS | Thanks for reply. |
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| 12:21.37 | themill | ciphergoth: It's just a normal package with a maintainer who must seek sponsorship himself. When you need sponsorship for the next upload, consider asking on the debian-mentors mailing list (there's a template on mentors.debian.net to help you with this). You'll hopefully find a new "regular" sponsor for the future. |
| 12:21.51 | icebrain | StephenS: just burn the iso |
| 12:21.57 | ciphergoth | Today is new upload day! |
| 12:22.00 | StephenS | ok and from boot is it gonna work? |
| 12:22.06 | ciphergoth | StephenS: You need #debian, not this channel |
| 12:22.10 | filePeter | StephenS: donât burn the iso file as a file on a dvd. directly tell your burning program to burn that image TO the dvd |
| 12:22.42 | StephenS | filePeter how to do that? |
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| 12:22.56 | themill | ciphergoth: If you've already been maintaining this on your own for a while and have shown competence in doing so, you could apply for DM status http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer which would allow you to upload that package unassisted in the future. You still need to find a new sponsor though. |
| 12:23.00 | icebrain | StephenS: what's your CD/DVD burning program? |
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| 12:23.08 | StephenS | nero |
| 12:23.12 | StephenS | nero express actually |
| 12:23.40 | icebrain | StephenS: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2007/01/05/burning-dvd-iso-image-with-nero-express.html |
| 12:23.43 | ciphergoth | hmm, mentors.debian.net gives me a 500 when I try to log in |
| 12:23.47 | filePeter | StephenS: That's not debian related... :-) |
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| 12:24.09 | themill | ciphergoth: did you previously have a login on mentors? |
| 12:24.20 | ciphergoth | yes |
| 12:24.44 | ciphergoth | and when I type in a different email address, or the same one with rubbish for the password, I get "Invalid email or password" |
| 12:24.45 | StephenS | icebrain that is old version of nero :( |
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| 12:25.17 | ciphergoth | StephenS, icebrain, everyone: this is the wrong channel for this conversation |
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| 12:25.27 | icebrain | StephenS: oh. But it's similar, you just need to find a 'burn image' or 'disc image' option. |
| 12:25.27 | ciphergoth | the right channel is #debian |
| 12:25.53 | filePeter | StephenS: if on windows use imgburn |
| 12:25.56 | themill | ciphergoth: can you join #debexpo on OFTC and beat daemonkeeper over the head with this information. This might be a useful debugging case for a problem he's been working on recently. |
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| 12:26.01 | StephenS | I have PowerISO |
| 12:26.06 | StephenS | can I use that? It has an optionm burn |
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| 12:26.52 | filePeter | StephenS: We are not your mom. - Just try getting the image burned... You can make it. |
| 12:27.04 | StephenS | I dont want to ruin my dvd :( |
| 12:27.06 | StephenS | Its really expensive |
| 12:27.29 | filePeter | StephenS: then download the netinst iso and burn on a cd |
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| 12:28.18 | StephenS | Im using poweriso |
| 12:28.27 | StephenS | I think it can burn since it says Burn Image ISO |
| 12:28.56 | icebrain | StephenS: yes, that seems fine |
| 12:28.59 | filePeter | StephenS: thatâs what we said. |
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| 12:30.16 | StephenS | filePeter ok :D |
| 12:30.26 | StephenS | I think Ill love debian |
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| 12:30.30 | StephenS | thats my first linux |
| 12:30.33 | StephenS | after ubuntu :D |
| 12:31.02 | filePeter | StephenS: You might want to put much time and effort in it. |
| 12:31.07 | StephenS | yeah |
| 12:31.11 | StephenS | Ill read a doc |
| 12:31.14 | StephenS | but also I need some help |
| 12:31.27 | StephenS | which enviroment you use? Gnome KDe or Some third? |
| 12:31.32 | ciphergoth | StephenS well DON'T ASK HERE! ASK IN #debian! |
| 12:31.35 | filePeter | StephenS: But that helps you to understand what really happens with your debian/computer. |
| 12:31.45 | ciphergoth | this channel is for people who work on software that goes into Debian |
| 12:31.51 | ciphergoth | not for users who are new to it |
| 12:31.56 | StephenS | ciphergoth this is #debian ? |
| 12:31.59 | StephenS | u mean on ##debian ? |
| 12:32.04 | ciphergoth | sure yes |
| 12:32.08 | StephenS | where to ask |
| 12:32.08 | ciphergoth | oh bollocks |
| 12:32.11 | StephenS | this is only channel :) |
| 12:32.13 | filePeter | ciphergoth: gosh... |
| 12:32.17 | StephenS | <?> |
| 12:32.17 | ciphergoth | thought this was #debian-devl |
| 12:32.20 | ciphergoth | I do apologise |
| 12:32.22 | StephenS | lol |
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| 12:32.28 | ciphergoth | what happened to #debian-devel? |
| 12:32.33 | themill | !comfort ciphergoth |
| 12:32.33 | dpkg | There, there, ciphergoth. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:32.39 | themill | ciphergoth: it's on OFTC |
| 12:32.41 | StephenS | only invite |
| 12:32.51 | ciphergoth | themill - that makes sense |
| 12:32.55 | ciphergoth | Sorry! |
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| 12:33.23 | Djang0 | someone around involved with the installer ? just found out that when doing clean install the installer makes the default partion settings to small .. |
| 12:33.35 | ciphergoth | then we're very happy to help you with your DVD-burning, desktop-choosing issues here, welcome! |
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| 12:36.54 | babilen | Djang0: Common problem -- You probably want #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net or you can file a bug against debian-installer in which you ask that the default partition sizes are changed to cater for more modern needs. |
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| 12:38.30 | StephenS | uhm so after I boot |
| 12:38.36 | StephenS | dvd I need one whole partipation ? |
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| 12:39.34 | filePeter | StephenS: depends... Next to windows!? You might need at least two. one swap (2*sizeof(ram)) and one root |
| 12:40.04 | StephenS | ya next to windows |
| 12:40.14 | StephenS | I heard I need one free windows partoipation for linux |
| 12:40.31 | StephenS | and that one will be separated into two, one linux and one virtual |
| 12:40.33 | filePeter | StephenS: make sure you have space on yoruu disk and the installer will help you with your two partitions |
| 12:40.55 | filePeter | StephenS: yyes. one swap one "linux" |
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| 12:43.42 | eanima2 | any tips/reading material on that topic: "i try to add a custom domain that is avaliable in my network like www.mysite.devlopment" so that all machines could reach apache vhosts over *.development |
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| 12:44.42 | StephenS | filePeter ok Ill sign college from information tehcnology and first 2 years we work only in linux so I want to use linux before that, Ill sign in one year, I hope so :D |
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| 12:45.14 | filePeter | eanima2: announce it with your dns server in your lan |
| 12:45.37 | StephenS | is it the same my server and remote vps debian/centos server ? |
| 12:45.52 | StephenS | I can configure hostname dns ftp apache etc on my debian home server? |
| 12:46.15 | eanima2 | filePeter ok i try to set one up |
| 12:46.21 | filePeter | StephenS: what was tge question? |
| 12:46.44 | filePeter | eanima2: Your router does have a dns server, right? teach him. |
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| 12:47.16 | filePeter | eanima2: or put it into /etc/hosts and behappy |
| 12:47.26 | filePeter | but onevery pc thenn. |
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| 12:50.06 | eanima2 | my router is a fritzbox ^^ |
| 12:50.13 | ondrejk | hello, im looking for some kind of identity/access management software. I need to have list of users with informations like ip address, domain for which is user responsible, cellphone and so on ... now we're using TWiki for it. But it's too simple... What do you use for storing such informations? |
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| 12:54.00 | dkr | openldap |
| 12:54.31 | ondrejk | dkr: i know it, are there any alternatives for openldap? |
| 12:54.41 | dkr | closedldap |
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| 12:55.40 | smooki | hi |
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| 12:56.29 | dkr | ondrejk: something like directoryassistant might make using ldap more palatable |
| 12:56.33 | smooki | I'd like to display a file, but that would refresh it's content permanently, is there such a tool ? |
| 12:56.39 | smooki | its |
| 12:56.40 | dkr | smooki: tail -f file |
| 12:56.45 | smooki | thanks |
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| 12:59.09 | songmachine | hello |
| 12:59.44 | smcavoy | Hi |
| 12:59.59 | songmachine | can u help me? |
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| 13:00.31 | babilen | songmachine: sure, but it makes it much easier if we would know what we should help you with. |
| 13:00.39 | sephii | Yes we can. |
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| 13:01.02 | songmachine | my problem is xserver and nvidia driver |
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| 13:01.49 | songmachine | so i will tell\ |
| 13:02.10 | songmachine | firstly i cant start xserver normaly |
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| 13:02.58 | gry | what happens when you try to start it? |
| 13:03.03 | songmachine | i can only in telminal write "startx" (when im root) and xserver was started, but when i close terminal, close xserver too |
| 13:03.48 | smooki | how do you quit the 'tail -f file' please ? :D |
| 13:03.55 | petemc | ctrl c |
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| 13:04.10 | smooki | oops sorry, I mistyped it before |
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| 13:04.20 | dumbo88 | exec startx & |
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| 13:07.06 | songmachine | so what can i do? now when i started xserver i have error.... nvidia x driver not found |
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| 13:08.32 | songmachine | hello... |
| 13:09.16 | dumbo88 | xf86config ? |
| 13:09.50 | songmachine | dumbo88 what? sorry but i new user in debian |
| 13:10.05 | gry | songmachine, |
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| 13:10.12 | gry | it helps to give full error text |
| 13:10.32 | gry | say how exactly you try to start xserver, what version you have |
| 13:10.47 | songmachine | i dont know what version |
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| 13:11.21 | songmachine | in terminal i write startx (xserver is start but when im close terminal close xserver too) |
| 13:11.58 | gry | if this channel does not work, ask ##linux |
| 13:12.00 | gry | leaves |
| 13:12.10 | songmachine | when xserver starting i see error.... nvidia driver nor found |
| 13:12.12 | songmachine | not* |
| 13:12.53 | songmachine | i need to go ##linux now? |
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| 13:13.37 | e-anima | hm...my vhosts somehow do not work anymore. i can stioll acces stuff like http://192.168.1.238:8983/solr/admin/ but not vhost defined aliases anymore. |
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| 13:13.58 | e-anima | i think i somehow ruined some dns stuff. any ideas?/tips? |
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| 13:14.31 | dumbo88 | try using the generic svga driver |
| 13:16.49 | chealer | songmachine: which Debian suite do you use? |
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| 13:21.21 | songmachine | chealer what u mean "suite"? |
| 13:22.20 | songmachine | anyway i use irssi from tty... if u that ask |
| 13:22.35 | chealer | songmachine: which Debian vesion do you use? |
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| 13:23.22 | IceColdZebra | Hello |
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| 13:23.30 | songmachine | i dont know.... i install lenny them update to squeeze.... but i dont know how to check it |
| 13:23.43 | songmachine | hello icecoldzebra |
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| 13:26.09 | chealer | !tell songmachine about debian version |
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| 13:26.33 | songmachine | chealer i from tty i cant see any private chat |
| 13:26.43 | songmachine | or other... only one window |
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| 13:27.03 | chealer | !version |
| 13:27.03 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 13:27.22 | chealer | songmachine: how did you install the drivers? |
| 13:27.53 | songmachine | aptitude install nvidia-glx |
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| 13:28.56 | chealer | songmachine: please provide the output of $ dpkg -l 'nvidia*' |
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| 13:30.45 | songmachine | i cant see anything.... words is not normail |
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| 13:31.14 | onryo | I have turned off Avahi but I would like to completely remove it since its blot ware for this system. Can I do that and not brake my system? |
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| 13:32.01 | onryo | I am on testing with only main repos. |
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| 13:34.12 | Akuw | is there any application to edit mp3 ? |
| 13:34.55 | dwfreed | Akuw: Audacity |
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| 13:35.48 | tdn | I have some m4a audio files that are apple lossless codec, I think. How do I play those? Audacious cannot handle play them. I guess I need to install some lib or codec? |
| 13:40.16 | Akuw | any other? |
| 13:40.35 | Akuw | i looking for application to compose music mp3 - ogg |
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| 13:41.28 | petern_ | compose music? |
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| 13:41.45 | Akuw | well, electronic music |
| 13:41.53 | petern_ | converting to mp3 is the last stage of that, after mixing, mastering, etc... |
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| 13:42.03 | Akuw | of i mean that |
| 13:42.11 | Akuw | mixing , mastering, etc |
| 13:42.24 | Akuw | i have rosegarden,but it is suited for that? |
| 13:42.29 | Akuw | is there another? |
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| 13:43.18 | petern_ | qtractor, lmms, ardour, etc |
| 13:43.27 | sp3ctum | wols, i got my issue solved by switching kernels. i installed a package for a bigmem kernel, and it sees my ram correctly. thanks for your help. |
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| 13:44.08 | frusen | I am running debian stable and sometimes it just hangs. I tried to ssh to it right now and ran top which tells me that Xorg is taking up all the processing power. x server 1.7.7 |
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| 13:44.15 | frusen | should I downgrade or something? |
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| 13:45.04 | tdn | Akuw, I think that maybe you would be better off with ubuntu studio for music production. It comes with much of the applications and codecs needed. |
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| 13:45.31 | Akuw | hummmm |
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| 13:47.41 | Akuw | thnkz |
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| 13:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | When did Real drop Linux support? |
| 13:52.32 | robokop | when did real make anything worth supporting? |
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| 13:55.34 | skilz | Is there some way to replace every word say 'foo' with say 'bar' in nano? |
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| 13:57.10 | StephenS | Installing Debian now, yey! |
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| 13:57.27 | StephenS | Bnc:On | Host:Off |
| 13:57.36 | stockholm | StephenS: ah, i did that 146 times today, too |
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| 13:57.47 | biz | is there a keybind in aptitude to do what "Cancel pending actions" in the Actions menu does? CTRL-u undoes the last action only. |
| 13:58.04 | joltcan | skilz: No idea, but you can do sed "s/foo/bar/g" filename > newfile |
| 13:58.06 | mosno | biz: i just do ^t e |
| 13:58.30 | babilen | skilz: Yes, but I would recommend to learn a more powerful editor in the long run. (vim/emacs) |
| 13:58.41 | gary_golden | I'm searching for a file in set of archives. Like this: for tar in sewers-etc.2011090?.tar.gz; do tar tGzf $tar; done | grep sudoers |
| 13:58.43 | gary_golden | and it found |
| 13:58.48 | gary_golden | how do I know which file? |
| 13:59.45 | jpwhiting | gary_golden: you don't you threw that information out when you added the | grep sudoers |
| 13:59.48 | babilen | skilz: Googling for "nano search replace" brings up quite a few hits -- Pick your poison. |
| 14:00.05 | jpwhiting | there may be an option for grep to get some context around the match though |
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| 14:00.22 | dwfreed | gary_golden: the easiest way would be to add echo "$tar sudoers"; before the tar command |
| 14:00.33 | gary_golden | jpwhiting: the point is that tar is not prepending the file name; is there a way to make it so? |
| 14:00.51 | gary_golden | dwfreed: ... to stderr. nice idea. thanks |
| 14:00.54 | jpwhiting | gary_golden: try dwfreed's idea, that should help |
| 14:01.25 | dwfreed | gary_golden: nah, just to stdout would work (that's why I put "sudoers" in there too) |
| 14:01.52 | gary_golden | oh. indeed. didn't notice sudoers thing |
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| 14:08.21 | boodie | Hi: I'm tryin' to convert some WAV tracks into OGGs, by using sound-juicer ... it doesn't recognize my CD player ... has anyone faced this problem already? |
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| 14:09.03 | e-anima | anyone using dnsmasq? if i put address=/amazon.de/127.0.0.1 at dnsmasq.conf it should redirect that domain to localhost right? |
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| 14:11.19 | gary_golden | e-anima: correct |
| 14:11.26 | jhutchins_lt | boodie: Why would that matter? |
| 14:12.03 | e-anima | hmn it somehow works. i added the linux server ip as DNS server, surfing works so dns works but address=/amazon.de/127.0.0.1 does not work |
| 14:12.12 | e-anima | amazon.de is still reachable |
| 14:12.53 | windparadise | hello, pls i m in trouble here, |
| 14:12.59 | gary_golden | e-anima: are you sure that you actually request dnsmasq for ip? |
| 14:13.10 | windparadise | I am trying to download debian dvd via jigdo |
| 14:13.15 | gary_golden | e-anima: also you must HUP it after changes |
| 14:13.25 | e-anima | hup? |
| 14:13.26 | windparadise | I want o know how many dvd files do I need to download? |
| 14:13.30 | gary_golden | e-anima: just restart |
| 14:13.33 | jeddi | windparadise: 1 |
| 14:13.44 | e-anima | jea i did a /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart |
| 14:13.45 | jeddi | windparadise: assuming that you have an internet connection to your machine (that you will install on) |
| 14:13.45 | windparadise | this is the first one I got from utorrent |
| 14:13.47 | windparadise | debian-6.0.2.1-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 14:13.54 | windparadise | andI can see they are up to 4 |
| 14:13.56 | jeddi | windparadise: that's plenty (assuming as above) |
| 14:14.22 | jeddi | windparadise: when you install from debian-6.anything - it will automatically update you to the latest versions during the installation. |
| 14:14.26 | gary_golden | e-anima: you can check it like this: host amazon.de 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:14.34 | gary_golden | assuming dnsmasq is running on localhost |
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| 14:14.48 | e-anima | amazon.de has address 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:14.54 | windparadise | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.07 | gary_golden | e-anima: works :) seek in another place then |
| 14:15.11 | e-anima | ok thx |
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| 14:15.31 | windparadise | jeddi: so I will have to download the debian-6.0.2.1-i386-DVD-1.jigdo only right? |
| 14:15.33 | jeddi | windparadise: answer my earlier question - will the machine you are installing debian on have a decent internet connection? |
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| 14:15.48 | jeddi | windparadise: if yes, then you only need the first DVD yes |
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| 14:16.25 | jeddi | windparadise: if you have a slower link, just download the CD or even the NETINST iso image instead - that's about 120MB - and will install whtaever you want over the network. |
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| 14:16.38 | jeddi | windparadise: the DVD set - even just the first one - contains much that you will not use. |
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| 14:17.01 | eanima2 | ok i got it, somehow resolving does not work even i added nameserver 192.168.1.1 # router dns server to the resolv.conf |
| 14:17.08 | jeddi | windparadise: but a DVD image is very useful if you are installing to many machines inside a closed network and/or have a modest internet connection. |
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| 14:17.40 | jeddi | windparadise: (or rather, have a modest interenet connection on the machine you're installing to - obviously to download a DVD you need a decent 'Net connection) |
| 14:17.43 | windparadise | I have a decent nitenet connection here, 5MBS |
| 14:17.56 | windparadise | so I am downloading the dvd image here |
| 14:18.07 | jeddi | windparadise: cool. if you haven't downloaded any images yet, just grab either DVD-1, or CD-1 or the NETINST. all of them will do what you need them to. |
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| 14:18.24 | windparadise | ok, all right, thanks a lot |
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| 14:21.36 | eanima2 | bah. the only thing i am trying to achive is to point all *.devel domains to the delopment server ip without editing HOSTS on every windows machine |
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| 14:26.23 | martb | hello. i have an install of mailman which has had some files and directorys manually copied over from another install. is there a way to reset all the packaged files and directories to the package-specified settings? |
| 14:26.44 | martb | (ownership and permissions, I mean) |
| 14:28.04 | jeddi | apt-get install --reinstall (from memory) |
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| 14:28.21 | jeddi | martb: unless you mean configuration files. |
| 14:28.27 | FDFlock | Hello, a quick Java-related question... Is there any reason to install any other SDK (JDK) instead of OpenJDK on Debian Squeeze? The goal is writting a quite simple (but not completely trivial) Java program. Eclipse will be used. |
| 14:28.31 | FDFlock | I mean, are there any known compatibility/stability issues with OpenJDK on Squeeze? |
| 14:28.45 | martb | jeddi: I mean package-created files and directories |
| 14:29.06 | jeddi | FDFlock: I've had one application at least - I think netbeans perhaps - that runs like a dog on openjdk, but runs about 4-10 times faster with sun's. this was 1.6 |
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| 14:29.30 | jeddi | martb: the package will create default configuration files. if you mean the binaries - then the --reinstall (as above) should do what you want. |
| 14:29.42 | jeddi | martb: certainly it should be harmless to run that even with existing data in place. |
| 14:29.54 | jeddi | martb: though having said that, always back up your actual user data somewhere safe just in case :) |
| 14:29.57 | martb | jeddi: okay, let's see.... |
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| 14:30.41 | Djang0 | thx babilen |
| 14:30.43 | BRICKS1984 | is there anyone who can tell me why i get a black screen everytime i try to watch a film on vlc? |
| 14:31.01 | jeddi | film noir? |
| 14:31.09 | shomon | have you tried plugging it in ? :D |
| 14:31.17 | babilen | Djang0: You are welcome, good luck! (any progress would be much appreciated) |
| 14:31.28 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: background info required - does it work okay with other players (xine, dragon, etc) |
| 14:32.02 | BRICKS1984 | jeddi, yeh it works fine with totem |
| 14:32.14 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: use totem then. ;) |
| 14:32.14 | Djang0 | installed debian 15 times this week because of this "bug" ande the even more crappy error you get babilen :D |
| 14:32.24 | BRICKS1984 | totem sucks balls |
| 14:32.38 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: more seriously .. does vlc fail in the same way on each file (you've presumably tried more than one) ? different types (mov, avi, mkv) ? |
| 14:32.46 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: has it ever worked? |
| 14:33.00 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: in the first instance I'd try doing a dpgk --purge of vlc (and related packages) and then reinstall it. |
| 14:33.08 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: (aka the Microsoft approach to software management) |
| 14:33.23 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: then I'd turn on some logs - there may be a --verbose option with vlc to produce some output? |
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| 14:34.03 | Kasreyn | 1981 - ISA 8-Bit/4.77 MHz: 4.77 MB/s 2008 - HyperTransport 3.1 (3.2 GHz, 32-pair): 51.2 GB/s - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bit_rates |
| 14:34.12 | shomon | video resolution or drivers might be the problem... |
| 14:34.18 | babilen | Djang0: I would recommend to partition the harddrive manually. What are these other "crappy errors" you refer to? |
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| 14:35.06 | BRICKS1984 | <jeddi> BRICKS1984: in the first instance I'd try doing a dpgk --purge of vlc that didn't help |
| 14:35.29 | MrWax | Anyone in here using ISPConfig 3? |
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| 14:35.55 | Djang0 | "installation step failed" babilen |
| 14:35.58 | troulouliou | hi is this correct for apt/preferences ? -> Package:xserver-xorg-* |
| 14:35.59 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: anything on .xsession-errors? X.log ? unlikely but possible. |
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| 14:36.09 | jeddi | BRICKS1984: anyway - you'll have fun working it out. :) |
| 14:36.11 | babilen | Djang0: I don't know what this refers to -- Could you elaborate? |
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| 14:37.05 | BRICKS1984 | jeddi, it sucks cause it's my birthday and i dont feel like sitting here all day trying to solve this stupid shit |
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| 14:37.26 | babilen | MrWax: Given that there are more than 1001 people in here, I would say that the likelihood of finding one person who is using ispconfig is quite high, so: Yes |
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| 14:38.04 | Djang0 | i found out that after clean install .. with only base system en kde-full i tryed to add chrome .. then i got the message disk full babilen |
| 14:38.04 | MrWax | babilen: ok, i just started using it |
| 14:38.13 | MrWax | babilen: and had one small issue where i could not find any fix for |
| 14:38.21 | SammyTheSnake | I have my root filesystem on an encrypted LVM partition. Short of re-installing from scratch, can I convert this into an unencrypted machine? it's a pain not being able to reboot without a password :( |
| 14:38.40 | babilen | MrWax: I do not use it, but if you have a question regarding it you might want to ask the question :) |
| 14:38.46 | Djang0 | so i did a install 2 1 partition and than everything worked fine :D |
| 14:39.12 | babilen | Djang0: Yes, that is a problem due to the suboptimal (i.e. insane) default partition sizes. |
| 14:39.17 | jeddi | SammyTheSnake: i would think you'd need to boot from a CD, make the new partitions, copy the encrypted contents into the new partition, then force grub to ack the new partition. |
| 14:39.19 | jhutchins_lt | SammyTheSnake: Do a file-level backup, re-create the partition unencrypted, restore. |
| 14:39.31 | troulouliou | SammyTheSnake, yes you can , or also you can copy your encrypted partitio on the new hard disk/computer |
| 14:39.32 | jeddi | SammyTheSnake: or that. :) |
| 14:39.51 | MrWax | Ok. Does anyone know how come that when I add a site in ISPconfig, only www.domain.com works and not domain.com ? |
| 14:40.02 | MrWax | Is this some bug in ispconfigs port to apache2? |
| 14:40.20 | SammyTheSnake | jhutchins_lt / jeddi: I was hoping for an option in gparted :-P |
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| 14:40.30 | jeddi | SammyTheSnake: oh. keep hoping! |
| 14:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | wtf is ispconfig? |
| 14:41.08 | StephenS | I need a help! |
| 14:41.19 | StephenS | I installed debian from dvd /boot with dual boot grabber |
| 14:41.41 | StephenS | and when I come into mode I have linux debian linux debian recovery mode and windows vista aka windows 7 |
| 14:41.52 | StephenS | I select linux debin and all I get is dhcp username |
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| 14:42.10 | StephenS | I login and then I see only command line, no gui or nothing, why? Also now in widonws 7 |
| 14:42.18 | StephenS | I dont see where is linux installed, why that? |
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| 14:43.15 | StephenS | ?? |
| 14:43.16 | Djang0 | hiha .. driving home for dinner .. x-mas has to wait |
| 14:43.24 | Bushmills | SammyTheSnake: there's probably a way to authenticate using a key, no password, stored on an usb stick. |
| 14:43.35 | jeddi | Bushmills: ahh, good call |
| 14:43.41 | FDFlock | jeddi: Ouch! Thanks for the heads-up regarding OpenJDK... |
| 14:43.44 | StephenS | what oto do ? |
| 14:43.44 | jeddi | SammyTheSnake: your /boot is unencrypted, right? |
| 14:44.00 | jeddi | FDFlock: worth trying just to be sure - this was my experience on sid about 18 months back i think. |
| 14:44.07 | jpwhiting | StephenS: you shouldn't see any linux from within Windows, it doesn't know how to read linux filesystems at all |
| 14:44.17 | jeddi | FDFlock: was very confusing. and i'm pretty sure it was netbeans, but might have been another of those crufty mammoth java IDE's. |
| 14:44.24 | StephenS | ok jeddi |
| 14:44.25 | jpwhiting | the reason you only see a command line is probably because you didn't install any gui |
| 14:44.26 | StephenS | then explain this |
| 14:44.44 | StephenS | while i Was installing linux I picked up partipation in which the most one with free space shouyld be picked up for install |
| 14:44.48 | StephenS | thats E:\ |
| 14:44.50 | StephenS | and its showing me this |
| 14:45.06 | jeddi | SammyTheSnake: you should be able to add a key (cryptsetup luksAddKey) and add a file full of randomness .. and then keep that file in /boot - and pass that in - the last bit is the bit i don't know specifically how to do. |
| 14:45.08 | jpwhiting | linux can read windows filesystems just fine |
| 14:45.10 | StephenS | 98.4GB free of 98.6 GB |
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| 14:45.28 | jeddi | SammyTheSnake: since you don't care about encryption, it's no cost to have the key to your crypto volume on an encrypted fs. |
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| 14:45.31 | StephenS | how come linux is only 400mb then? |
| 14:45.37 | StephenS | even though I dont see those 400 mb no where |
| 14:45.43 | StephenS | like linux is not installed :( |
| 14:45.48 | FDFlock | jeddi: thanks! |
| 14:46.01 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: Windows is too stupid to understand that Linux is there. |
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| 14:46.09 | StephenS | When I choose installation guide |
| 14:46.14 | StephenS | I have DNS pop FTAP etc |
| 14:46.17 | babilen | !tell StephenS -about enter |
| 14:46.17 | seb82 | guys, I tried installing pulseaudio server... so far so good, but my sound isn't working anymore... I always worked with alsa... but OSS is also installed now and well... now it doesn't work... |
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| 14:46.35 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: A linux installation with no GUI could easily be less than 1G. |
| 14:46.43 | babilen | seb82: Sounds as if removing OSS would be worth a try ;) |
| 14:46.45 | StephenS | but this has GUI |
| 14:46.51 | StephenS | 4,5 GB of instalation in DVD |
| 14:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: What is your native language/ |
| 14:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 14:47.07 | StephenS | Serbian |
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| 14:47.22 | seb82 | babilen: how can I do correctly? Because last time I had such an issue... it removed alsa as well and half of my xorg... |
| 14:47.35 | StephenS | why would I use only command line? |
| 14:47.36 | StephenS | lol |
| 14:47.42 | StephenS | if thats debian then Ill stick with windows |
| 14:47.49 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: It's the most powerful interface. |
| 14:47.57 | babilen | seb82: That shouldn't happen -- How/Why is OSS installed? What happens if you purge the respective packages? |
| 14:47.58 | StephenS | nah |
| 14:48.06 | StephenS | its not even an interface |
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| 14:48.18 | rozie | StephenS: you haven't installed gui, probably |
| 14:48.22 | Bushmills | StephenS: stick to windows |
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| 14:48.30 | StephenS | but my dvd comes with gui |
| 14:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: Tell that to someone else who's been using computers since 1974. |
| 14:48.41 | rozie | but your admin doesn't |
| 14:48.48 | StephenS | oh well how to install gui from windows for debian? |
| 14:49.38 | rozie | you can install gui from cli |
| 14:49.56 | rozie | if you accept that cli is command line _interface_ |
| 14:50.06 | rozie | (at least for a moment) |
| 14:50.10 | StephenS | apt-get install kde |
| 14:50.12 | StephenS | is that enough? |
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| 14:50.28 | rozie | I'd rather use kdebase or similar |
| 14:50.38 | seb82 | I think OSS came along when I install pulseaudio because I needed the server for playing music of my virtual host... |
| 14:50.41 | babilen | StephenS: Which desktop environment do you want to install? (And *please* use punctuation characters and *do not* hit enter after every third word) |
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| 14:50.47 | Bushmills | !desktop environments |
| 14:50.47 | dpkg | Desktop environments available for installation on Debian systems include <GNOME>, <KDE>, <XFCE> and <LXDE>. See also <window manager>. |
| 14:50.50 | rozie | kde is metapackage and will install a lot of additional stuff |
| 14:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: It might be. You might also need to install xorg. It's possible that you have one installed but it isn't starting up because of issues with your video chipset. |
| 14:50.59 | babilen | !tell StephenS about install kde4 |
| 14:51.02 | babilen | !tell StephenS about install xorg |
| 14:51.06 | jhutchins_lt | StephenS: lspci -nn | grep VGA and tell us what it says. |
| 14:51.12 | seb82 | babilen: what are the packages for OSS? |
| 14:51.25 | jhutchins_lt | !oss |
| 14:51.26 | dpkg | somebody said oss was an acronym for Open Source Software, coined by Vinod Valloppillil in the first <Halloween> document. Also an acronym for Open Sound System, ask me about <oss4>; for OSS compatiblity in <ALSA>, ask me about <aoss>, <devdsp>. |
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| 14:51.48 | seb82 | !oss4 |
| 14:51.48 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian Squeeze. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:51.48 | babilen | seb82: I don't know, you told me that oss is installed. :) ... An "aptitude search ~i~noss" might give a clue though |
| 14:51.50 | StephenS | ill ibnstall gnome |
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| 14:52.09 | babilen | !tell StephenS -about install gnome |
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| 14:53.01 | seb82 | babilen: so I just need to remove those packages? |
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| 14:53.25 | yann2 | hello! I was playing compiling a kernel, but in the process I mistyped and removed the kernel from debian ( /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.something) - am lucky my new kernel works :) but how can I get the "official" one back? tried apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-686 without much success |
| 14:53.45 | seb82 | and probably reinstate alsa? |
| 14:53.58 | aPpYe | I am trying to understand how testing works ... I can see that icedtea-plugin is there in unstable, but it is no longer in testing. It was there a month or so ago. Why might this be? |
| 14:54.19 | babilen | seb82: I can not answer that -- I have no idea what your actual problem is and I haven't seen the list of packages matched by that search. *You* mentioned that it was working fine without oss4, so I concluded that removing it will solve your issue. you might want to paste the list to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 14:55.54 | seb82 | perhaps pulseaudio server is messing up... |
| 14:55.57 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: It could be that the current version is too buggy for testing, and until known bugs are fixed it's not worth the trouble of packaging it. |
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| 14:56.15 | seb82 | does any know how to use pulseaudio server with debian squeeze with alsa? |
| 14:56.21 | VolodymyrB | Hi, which version choose 5 or 6? |
| 14:56.38 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 14:56.39 | seb82 | VolodymyrB: 6 |
| 14:56.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 14:56.50 | VolodymyrB | seb82: thanks |
| 14:56.55 | jhutchins_lt | VolodymyrB: You probably want 6.0.2 |
| 14:57.01 | seb82 | VolodymyrB: np |
| 14:57.14 | SammyTheSnake | jeddi/ bushmills: yes, /boot is unencrypted |
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| 14:57.50 | SammyTheSnake | jeddi/ bushmills: yes, /boot is unencrypted. I'm nnot sure I'm not sure what to google for to see if somebody has a HOWTO for this idea, though... |
| 14:58.13 | Iridos | yann2, I assume you're on testing... apt-get install linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae for i386 |
| 14:58.22 | seb82 | babilen: my gnome mixer states ALSA-mixer and OSS-mixer are still onboard... |
| 14:58.25 | babilen | aPpYe: It was removed from testing. See http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/icedtea-web.html most likely because of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636514 |
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| 14:59.14 | seb82 | babilen: and still no sound |
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| 15:00.00 | Bushmills | SammyTheSnake: http://www.howtoforge.com/automatically-unlock-luks-encrypted-drives-with-a-keyfile |
| 15:00.15 | SammyTheSnake | Bushmills: cool! |
| 15:00.51 | seb82 | babilen: apparently, somehow everything is muted... |
| 15:01.01 | babilen | seb82: Unmute it then? |
| 15:01.22 | seb82 | when I unmute master... it mutes PCM... |
| 15:01.23 | Bushmills | or http://www.matthew.ath.cx/articles/cryptkey |
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| 15:02.31 | yann2 | thank you Iridos indeed that worked. And thanks to the folks who help around here, I always get a quick and nice answer :) |
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| 15:04.13 | babilen | yann2: The reason for that behaviour is that reinstalling the metapackage (linux-image-686) does *not* trigger a reinstallation of its depends. As you actually wanted to make sure that the real kernel package is installed correctly you had to work with the linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae package instead. |
| 15:04.59 | yann2 | babilen, that explains, thanks |
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| 15:05.24 | babilen | ,depends linux-image-686 --release wheezy |
| 15:05.24 | judd | Package linux-image-686 -- depends: linux-image-686-pae, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0. |
| 15:05.35 | babilen | ,depends linux-image-686-pae --release wheezy |
| 15:05.37 | judd | Package linux-image-686-pae -- depends: linux-image-3.0.0-1-686-pae. |
| 15:05.43 | aPpYe | jhutchins_kc, babilen, I see. ... thanks. |
| 15:06.18 | babilen | aPpYe: You are welcome :) |
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| 15:07.25 | Iridos | yann2, ah... now I see... you removed the files of the kernel, but the kernel package was still there... |
| 15:07.36 | yann2 | that's it |
| 15:07.42 | yann2 | hence why I tried --reinstall |
| 15:07.46 | Iridos | luckily one can sometimes answer questions even if one thinks they were other questions :) |
| 15:08.17 | babilen | Iridos: heh :) |
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| 15:08.29 | yann2 | am lucky my new one booted, would have been painful otherwise :P |
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| 15:08.37 | babilen | yann2: You just reinstalled the wrong (because empty) package. :) |
| 15:09.06 | MrWax | Ok. Does anyone know how come that when I add a site in ISPconfig, only www.domain.com works and not domain.com ? |
| 15:09.16 | yann2 | worked fine with Iridos suggestion actually - file is there, did my update-grub and all, seems good now |
| 15:09.42 | babilen | yann2: yes, just wanted you to understand why you've seen that behaviour. |
| 15:10.11 | yann2 | and thanks for that, I think I got it ;) |
| 15:10.17 | Iridos | yann2, well, it was somewhat obvious you needed the package, not the metapackage... now it's clear why |
| 15:10.39 | aPpYe | babilen, I see, so it is the same version in unstable, ... but it has the same xulrunner 1.9.1 dependency ... so I don't see the change? |
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| 15:12.59 | seb82 | babilen: I removed pulseaudio as well and apparently some alsalib was missing... |
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| 15:14.53 | seb82 | babilen: no more muting when unmuting sstuff |
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| 15:20.06 | FDFlock | Nice, I've just installed Eclipse on Debian Squeeze and it refuses to start up... The splash screen appears and stops there with 100% CPU usage until killed. That's with the Sun JDK. |
| 15:20.10 | FDFlock | jeddi:It's perfectly possible (and safe) to install both JDKs (Sun and Open) and select with update-java-alternatives, right? |
| 15:20.21 | jeddi | FDFlock: i believe so - they're handled through /etc/alternatives |
| 15:20.36 | jeddi | FDFlock: of course you'll only have *one* that response to 'java' at the command line. |
| 15:20.46 | FDFlock | yes, of course. |
| 15:20.51 | FDFlock | thank you |
| 15:20.53 | jeddi | FDFlock: but you can configure diffeent apps to use whichever you want. sounds messy though. |
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| 15:21.20 | jeddi | FDFlock: eclipse with 100% cpu on sun java? weird. what's the hardware spec? |
| 15:21.34 | jeddi | FDFlock: just wondering if it's a memory problem rather than cpu. |
| 15:21.35 | aPpYe | hm. I dist-upgraded a stable install (with just standard system tools selected at install) to testing repositories. apt-get autoremove offered to remove some packages for me. I chose N ... now apt-get autoremove does not offer to remove any packages anymore. Is there a way to reset this behaviour? Or what happened exactly? |
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| 15:22.35 | Iridos | it shouldn't have changed just from dist-upgrade |
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| 15:23.57 | FDFlock | jeddi: i3 CPU, 7.5GB DDR3 RAM, 32bit Squeeze with highmem support (which is totally ridiculous, but there was a specific reason it got installed... it will be replaced by the proper 64bit version) |
| 15:24.10 | jeddi | FDFlock: wow. yeah. nice. love java. |
| 15:24.16 | FDFlock | ;) |
| 15:24.38 | Iridos | shouldn't be swapping |
| 15:24.50 | aPpYe | Iridos, that was for me? It definately offered me about 7 packages or so ... don't remember which ones. I just want to know why it changed its mind like that. |
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| 15:25.40 | somiaj | aPpYe: did you actually upgrade? Sure it wasn't saying it had to remove packages in the upgrade and you said 'NO' to teh whole dist-upgrade. |
| 15:26.17 | Iridos | aPpYe, the 1st one was... autoremove shouldn't and it doesn't. Perhaps you did remove it at some point without noticing...... ha, or what somiaj said... |
| 15:26.33 | aPpYe | no ... this was after the dist-upgrade. I rebooted, and ran apt-get autoremove |
| 15:26.37 | Iridos | something is not exactly as you describe it |
| 15:26.53 | seb82 | babilen: I did some stuff which didn't give me what I wanted... so i'm now trying to install drivers as suggested by forums.debian.net |
| 15:27.02 | Iridos | and there's no way to "reset the behavior", because it doesn't change that way. |
| 15:27.07 | aPpYe | definately not what happened. I can reproduce it. I can snapshot the VM back to stable and run the dist-upgrade again. |
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| 15:29.34 | seb82 | babilen: this is weird... it suddenlys works... without the new drivers... |
| 15:29.47 | babilen | seb82: I guess that is a good thing .. :-/ |
| 15:29.55 | seb82 | babilen: YES!!! |
| 15:30.06 | babilen | hehe |
| 15:30.17 | seb82 | *dances around the room* |
| 15:30.27 | Iridos | try that. look what packages that are and what commands you run exactly. There's two ways packages can vanish from the autoremove list: the autoremove flag is removed from the package or another package claims it as a dependency |
| 15:30.37 | Iridos | and it's "definitely" |
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| 15:31.00 | Iridos | babilen, dunno... stuff like that always leaves me with an uneasy feeling |
| 15:31.16 | Iridos | like "it'll come back and I still don't know how to fix it" |
| 15:31.19 | babilen | Iridos: Indeed |
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| 15:33.00 | Iridos | one reason I don't like the windows way(TM). Whatever "fixes" you use there... most of the time you haven't learned what the problem is |
| 15:33.30 | Iridos | s/is/was/ |
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| 15:35.45 | FDFlock | Eclipse works just fine with OpenJDK! :D |
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| 15:35.48 | FDFlock | ...well, at first glance |
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| 15:54.36 | StephenS | yeah Debian doesnt work |
| 15:54.44 | StephenS | apt-get install gnome stopped at 99% |
| 15:54.56 | StephenS | and in meanwhile I needed to press enter button every 3 mins |
| 15:54.58 | StephenS | dont know anyway |
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| 16:03.54 | aPpYe | Iridos, soma` I guess you are right. maybe I did something and did not realize it. I cannot reproduce the problem I described earlier... |
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| 16:06.39 | somiaj | StephenS: what version of debian? |
| 16:06.44 | StephenS | 67 |
| 16:06.44 | StephenS | 6 |
| 16:06.47 | StephenS | 6.0.2 |
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| 16:07.06 | somiaj | StephenS: paste the errors you are getting here |
| 16:07.12 | somiaj | StephenS: well in a pastebin of course |
| 16:07.13 | Iridos | pastebin what you get.. I would put my money on some mirror |
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| 16:07.24 | StephenS | how can I ? |
| 16:07.27 | Iridos | some non-official mirror of debian that has connection problems |
| 16:07.27 | StephenS | When Im doing it from boot |
| 16:07.34 | StephenS | its not official |
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| 16:07.37 | StephenS | connection is ok. |
| 16:07.40 | Iridos | "from boot"? |
| 16:08.02 | StephenS | yeah |
| 16:08.06 | StephenS | dos |
| 16:08.21 | rozie | StephenS: it's cli or console |
| 16:08.26 | Iridos | from the console |
| 16:08.27 | StephenS | console |
| 16:08.29 | StephenS | yeah |
| 16:08.29 | rozie | not boot or dos |
| 16:08.33 | StephenS | YES |
| 16:08.48 | StephenS | but somehow I knew it will happen |
| 16:08.49 | Iridos | dpkg, confuse iridos |
| 16:08.49 | dpkg | Yes, what was your ferret today, iridos? Lederhosen of the Dictatorship of Liechtenstein with extra crabpaste. |
| 16:09.07 | StephenS | somehow only stupid shitty things happen to me |
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| 16:09.14 | StephenS | like this one, like my version isnot working only for me |
| 16:09.18 | StephenS | and E:\ is not changing |
| 16:09.20 | Iridos | well... of course you have problems installing, else there's pastebinit... |
| 16:09.23 | StephenS | even though I download 2 GB of data |
| 16:09.43 | Iridos | you can copy and paste with the mouse on the console, too, if gpm is running |
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| 16:09.52 | rozie | StephenS: there's no E:\ under Linux |
| 16:10.07 | Iridos | I think he means E: as in "error" during the download |
| 16:10.12 | Iridos | (possibly) |
| 16:11.08 | rozie | StephenS: you are writing from another computer, right? |
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| 16:11.24 | hroi | hi |
| 16:11.25 | rozie | StephenS: install ssh, use Putty to connect to Debian machine |
| 16:11.36 | hroi | I just notice that "source" doesnt work under crontab |
| 16:11.39 | StephenS | on localhost? |
| 16:11.45 | hroi | which shell does the crontab on debian use? |
| 16:11.51 | StephenS | it cant install anything |
| 16:11.53 | StephenS | apt-get install ssh |
| 16:11.57 | StephenS | will give me some error for sure |
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| 16:12.15 | Iridos | hroi, "sh", which now means dash (was bash under lenny) |
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| 16:13.34 | hroi | Iridos: is this configurable? |
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| 16:13.53 | dkr | hroi: you could just use cron to run a shell script rather than try to write the script inside the cron entry |
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| 16:14.08 | hroi | dkr: yes I agree |
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| 16:14.36 | Iridos | hroi, read in "info crontab" ... search for "specifies the command to be" |
| 16:14.48 | hroi | dkr: only importing environmental variables in this way source /pathto/envvarfile && /path/to/program |
| 16:15.00 | hroi | dkr: is kinda transparent and simple |
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| 16:15.45 | hroi | dkr: Iridos: '.' is kinda small and invisible a command |
| 16:16.04 | hroi | dkr: Iridos: but I will use it I think instead, maybe more portable |
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| 16:16.38 | Iridos | hroi, the bit I pointed you to tells you how to specify shell... |
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| 16:16.48 | hroi | Iridos: great, thanks! |
| 16:16.57 | Iridos | hroi, was just trying "." in dash... I don't have the impression it knows that |
| 16:17.22 | hroi | Iridos: hmm. solved my crontab problem |
| 16:17.50 | dkr | hroi: a wrapper script that sets the env vars appropriately is useful so that you can also run the commands manually |
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| 16:18.39 | Iridos | hroi, how? found that envvarfile doesn't contain anything useful anyway? |
| 16:18.40 | hroi | dkr: ok I might rething this |
| 16:19.03 | Iridos | hroi, (search inside info with / or ctrl-s) |
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| 16:21.38 | Iridos | *sigh* or to quote it: The ``sixth'' field (the rest of the line) specifies the command to be run. The entire command portion of the line, up to a newline or % character, will be executed by /bin/sh or by the shell specified in the SHELL variable of the crontab file. |
| 16:22.14 | hroi | Iridos: thanks, |
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| 16:22.43 | hroi | Iridos: Im thinking if I should write a wrapper that takes my command as argument instead of using source or . |
| 16:23.10 | Iridos | you could just copy the envvarfile and make it a wrapper |
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| 16:24.08 | hroi | Iridos: yub, thanks all! |
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| 16:26.33 | hroi | in debian, sh is now dash, as you said. |
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| 16:27.28 | hroi | I guess sh was never a particular shell protocol right? so, sh being dash and in other distros sh could be ksh or whatever, right? |
| 16:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: No. |
| 16:28.08 | alazare619 | can anyone tell me where the chatroom is for live-build |
| 16:28.09 | themill | there is a posix definition for sh |
| 16:29.02 | hroi | jhutchins_lt: themill: oh, ok. so I guess dash and bash follow posix |
| 16:29.25 | wols | !live |
| 16:29.25 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 16:29.48 | themill | except where they don't. The bigger problem is that people think that everything bash does is what sh does -- that's not true, as you've discovered. |
| 16:30.53 | hroi | themill: ok, this is interesting. But basically, if Im going to use sh I better make my commands posix compliant |
| 16:31.02 | hroi | themill: to ensure portability |
| 16:31.03 | themill | !bashism |
| 16:31.03 | dpkg | Many people think all that is in bash is in sh and put #!/bin/sh to start their script with bash extensions instead of #!/bin/bash. From squeeze onwards, /bin/sh won't be bash but <dash>. See "checkbashisms" in the <devscripts> package -- you will need to either fix your scripts to only use real "sh" functionality (and leave them as #!/bin/sh) or change the first line to read #!/bin/bash. |
| 16:31.14 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: bash and dash are extensions of the sh standard, offering more/different features, but can be called as sh to provide a more strict environments for standardised scripts. |
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| 16:31.57 | jhutchins_lt | Bash doesn't allow bashisms if called as sh. |
| 16:32.38 | hroi | jhutchins_lt: ok :) thats nice. So bash and dash have a certain posix runmode of sorts |
| 16:32.51 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: essentially. |
| 16:33.30 | hroi | should perhaps make a habbit to use sh instead of bash. |
| 16:33.33 | dkr | I actually just had an issue because bash wasn't compatible with itself, heh. (different version in /bin/bash than /usr/local/bin/bash on an old solaris system) I had to change let count++ to let count=count+1 |
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| 16:34.16 | themill | hroi, jhutchins_lt: not really... bash will unfortuantely let you use bashisms when you run it with /bin/sh, that's the whole problem with bashisms. |
| 16:34.20 | hroi | dkr: oh yeah, right, i have run into similar problems with different kinds of bash globs, |
| 16:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | has heard otherwise. |
| 16:35.30 | hroi | dkr: jhutchins_lt: themill: I really wonder what kind of shell language I have learned - probably some sort of funny mixture of standars and versions. |
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| 16:36.07 | skilz | Ive downloaded a few fonts and opened them and pressed install |
| 16:36.11 | themill | jhutchins_lt: bashisms would never have existed and not been a multi-year effort to get rid of if bash didn't let you use bashisms with /bin/sh in your shebang. |
| 16:36.16 | skilz | but when I try to use them, they dont show |
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| 16:36.37 | skilz | should I copy them somewhere instead? |
| 16:36.41 | jhutchins_lt | themill: A lot of people use bash explicitly for scripting. |
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| 16:36.50 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you don't say... |
| 16:36.58 | themill | hroi: yeah, you'll have accidentally picked up some bashisms along the way. That's not a problem if you want to use #!/bin/bash as your shebang. |
| 16:37.18 | skilz | actually |
| 16:37.24 | jhutchins_lt | I always thought that the big fuss was that strict sh was more portable. |
| 16:37.26 | skilz | they work in openoffice |
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| 16:37.29 | vaq | Hello, I just started my server in Debian rescue, because of some grub error's, however my server is unable to locate the disk partitions. I'm using the Intel Corporation 82801 SATA RAID controller, and usually the partitions are in /dev/mapper, but I'm unable to locate any partitions in the rescue. Any ideas? |
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| 16:37.38 | skilz | but not in scriptes |
| 16:37.50 | skilz | say or eg the name of the font is Famous Logos |
| 16:37.57 | dkr | vaq: ls /dev/md* |
| 16:38.16 | vaq | dkr: ls: cannot access /dev/md*: No such file or directory |
| 16:38.22 | dkr | vaq: er, ignore that, me brain dead |
| 16:38.32 | vaq | it isn't software raid |
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| 16:38.35 | dkr | was thinking of a device renumbering issue |
| 16:38.50 | jhutchins_lt | vaq: Perhaps you need a driver in your initrd? |
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| 16:39.03 | hroi | skilz: I think there are many types of fonts on linux, right - xwindow fonts and other, right? |
| 16:39.24 | skilz | hroi, ? |
| 16:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | hroi: Mostly X and printing. Console fonts are a new thing. |
| 16:39.30 | themill | jhutchins_lt: no, the fuss was that people had used /bin/sh and then used bashisms in their script (things like "source" or "rm *.{log,aux,bbl}" etc). Then when you change sh to point to dash, the script doesn't work. |
| 16:39.40 | vaq | jhutchins_lt: That wasn't the case under the initial install. |
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| 16:39.49 | skilz | Im trying to use a font in conky |
| 16:39.56 | skilz | it's called 'Famous Logos' |
| 16:40.04 | skilz | but when I put that name it doesnt work |
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| 16:40.35 | jhutchins_lt | doesn't see the point of NOT running bash, but doesn't really care. |
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| 16:41.14 | themill | jhutchins_lt: dash is a damned sight faster, particularly for boot time. |
| 16:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | (Besides, fussing about bashisms predates dash being common.) |
| 16:41.49 | hroi | skilz: I think some software also only supports truetype fonts, and not raster-fonts. |
| 16:41.50 | vaq | dmraid was the answer, the controller is fakeraid |
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| 16:42.20 | hroi | skilz: Im not really sure about fonts here, I would think your xwindow program conky would find xwindow fonts. |
| 16:42.21 | skilz | hroi, It is a ttf! I think the problem is the name being 'two words' not one |
| 16:42.25 | jhutchins_lt | I think boot time bragging is bogus, especially when it can take more than 90 seconds to load a desktop. |
| 16:42.26 | songmachine | Hello again. |
| 16:42.37 | jhutchins_lt | Boot time doesn't matter for servers. |
| 16:42.54 | simonlnu | does when it takes 5 minutes :P |
| 16:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | simonlnu: It takes _hours_ to boot an IBM 4090. |
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| 16:43.34 | vaq | How do one activate partitions on a fakeraid through dmraid ? |
| 16:43.55 | songmachine | Someone can show me right xorg.conf? |
| 16:44.34 | hroi | skilz: when you run conky from the command line, do you get any error messages? |
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| 16:44.50 | skilz | hroi, no |
| 16:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | songmachine: Standard is no xorg.conf |
| 16:44.55 | simonlnu | well see? how many people use those nowadays? :P |
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| 16:45.06 | skilz | It just reverts the font to the default specified |
| 16:45.08 | simonlnu | (j/k) |
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| 16:46.00 | hroi | skilz: I just checked out the #conky irc forum - have you asked them? |
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| 16:46.08 | JoshH | no xorg.conf doesn't work that well ime. you setup your triple monitors with nvidia-settings, hit save, it doesn't work since you didn't start it as root, so you quit, restart x, nothign is the same. only by saving settings to an xorg.conf does it work. it would be fine with just one monitor i guess though |
| 16:46.08 | LinuxIn | wenas |
| 16:46.09 | LinuxIn | :$ |
| 16:46.10 | hroi | skilz: s**tloads of people there |
| 16:46.13 | LinuxIn | good morning |
| 16:46.32 | LinuxIn | somebody know how it's nekrox? |
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| 16:50.07 | vaq | How do one activate partitions on a fakeraid through dmraid ? |
| 16:50.22 | vaq | dmraid -ay activates the raid, but no partitions shows up |
| 16:50.30 | vaq | only the block devices. |
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| 16:52.50 | hroi | does my debian server syncronize its time/date settings somewhere? |
| 16:53.22 | hroi | it seems to be currently running on correct time, but I wonder how I can ensure that my time is mostly correct. |
| 16:53.33 | cahoot | !ntp |
| 16:53.33 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" for basic usage, use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
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| 16:54.44 | shadowman | swf plugins |
| 16:55.25 | shadowman | swf plugins packages |
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| 16:57.24 | hroi | cahoot: cool, ntp starts running out of the box after install |
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| 16:57.49 | songmachine | gays... someone can help with nvidia driver?:) |
| 16:58.05 | hroi | songmachine: maybe some gays that can? |
| 16:58.26 | songmachine | sorry guy* i mean:) |
| 16:58.38 | hroi | nah dont worry, Im gay, and i cant |
| 16:59.31 | songmachine | i install nvidia driver but driver dont work |
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| 16:59.47 | chealer | songmachine: just ask your question |
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| 17:00.13 | somiaj | songmachine: describe what doesn't work (also what version of debain?) |
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| 17:01.18 | songmachine | for check my video driver in installed compiz and emerald but dont work..... version of debian i dont know how to check |
| 17:02.04 | songmachine | and for exemple.... when i restarted xserver i see error about xorg.conf |
| 17:03.20 | somiaj | songmachine: stable? (6.0.2), testing? unstable? |
| 17:03.26 | somiaj | songmachine: how did you install the 'drivers'? |
| 17:03.30 | songmachine | i dont know |
| 17:03.42 | somiaj | songmachine: what error messages are you getting, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:03.53 | songmachine | aptitude install nvidia-glx |
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| 17:05.30 | songmachine | i open log.... but there so much text.... |
| 17:06.31 | songmachine | i see error when i xserver restarted.... i see " nvidia driver not found" or something like this |
| 17:08.05 | jelly-home | songmachine: which debian release are you using. |
| 17:08.18 | songmachine | i dont know |
| 17:08.20 | jelly-home | !version |
| 17:08.20 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc) and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command; check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 17:09.01 | songmachine | bash: !version: event not found |
| 17:09.26 | songmachine | dpkg its for me? |
| 17:09.27 | dpkg | songmachine: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:09.49 | jelly-home | songmachine: run "lsb_release -sc" and report its output |
| 17:10.09 | songmachine | squeeze |
| 17:10.12 | jelly-home | songmachine: also, "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" |
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| 17:10.34 | babilen | s/-n 1/-1/ |
| 17:10.44 | jelly-home | babilen: fail! |
| 17:11.10 | babilen | jelly-home: How so? |
| 17:11.14 | songmachine | what to do next? |
| 17:11.19 | jelly-home | babilen: GNU in their infinite wisdom has deprecated old syntax |
| 17:11.42 | jelly-home | so teach people to tail -n 1 before tail -1 stops working |
| 17:12.09 | jelly-home | songmachine: please provide the output of the second command before we go further |
| 17:12.16 | babilen | jelly-home: those bastards! (but yeah, ta) |
| 17:12.39 | songmachine | what command? |
| 17:13.25 | jelly-home | songmachine: also, "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" |
| 17:13.53 | songmachine | ii libc6 2.11.2-10 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:14.11 | jelly-home | okay, that looks like Debian 6 (squeeze) all right |
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| 17:15.46 | jelly-home | songmachine: in your irc client, type in these commands: "/msg dpkg non-free sources", and "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" |
| 17:16.04 | jelly-home | songmachine: dpkg bot will respond in private with instructions |
| 17:16.47 | songmachine | ok |
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| 17:17.18 | songmachine | Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to songmachine) from jelly-home...... i no understand.... what i need to do? |
| 17:17.37 | jelly-home | songmachine: ignore that, that was me |
| 17:18.01 | chealer | songmachine: as I wrote, please provide the output of $ dpkg -l 'nvidia*' |
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| 17:18.17 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 17:18.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:20.01 | songmachine | i see nothing on dpkg bot..... i cant understand.... what i must to write in my terminal? |
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| 17:20.46 | Iridos | not the dpkg bot, the dpkg command |
| 17:21.26 | Iridos | (on the last comment from chealer) |
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| 17:22.00 | songmachine | ok |
| 17:22.09 | songmachine | asy much text |
| 17:22.13 | songmachine | i see* |
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| 17:22.38 | simonlnu | that's why you were asked to pastebin it |
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| 17:25.42 | songmachine | http://paste.debian.net/128630/ |
| 17:26.05 | alazare619 | anyone here have experience with live-build |
| 17:26.12 | alazare619 | im having an issue forcing a version in the chroot file |
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| 17:27.11 | chealer | songmachine: sorry but could you please paste this instead: $ COLUMNS=200 LANG=C dpkg -l 'nvidia*'|grep ii |
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| 17:28.07 | chealer | songmachine: as well as the output of $ uname -r |
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| 17:30.15 | songmachine | paste.debian,org dont download..... where can i also paste? |
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| 17:31.19 | tom9876543 | hello, i installed google earth deb pkg. now it says can't connect to server |
| 17:31.23 | chealer | songmachine: http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 17:31.39 | chealer | well, assuming that's not what you're talking about |
| 17:31.45 | songmachine | yes.... is doesnt work |
| 17:31.49 | chealer | !pastebin |
| 17:31.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:32.16 | songmachine | http://pastie.org/2492644 |
| 17:32.48 | tynx | Anyone figure out how to inst |
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| 17:33.06 | tynx | install the java browser plugin in testing? |
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| 17:34.14 | songmachine | what next? |
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| 17:34.53 | chealer | songmachine: as I said, please provide the output of $ uname -r |
| 17:35.09 | chealer | !tell tynx about java |
| 17:35.32 | songmachine | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:36.46 | jelly-home | songmachine: well then. Install nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:37.02 | songmachine | ok |
| 17:37.18 | chealer | songmachine: did you follow http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? |
| 17:38.02 | songmachine | no..... my english is not much for this:) |
| 17:38.55 | ompaul | !ru |
| 17:38.56 | dpkg | eto anglijsko govorjashhij kanal, pozhalujsta govorite po anglijski ili posetite #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 17:38.57 | chealer | songmachine: well, you didn't do step 1 correctly. you're missing an appropriate LKM. |
| 17:38.58 | tynx | Shame icedtea6-plugin is incompatible with squeeze... |
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| 17:39.36 | songmachine | i installed nvidia-kernel |
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| 17:40.25 | chealer | songmachine: sorry, it's step 2 you need to re-do. |
| 17:40.38 | songmachine | in #debian-russian says somethig bad.... |
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| 17:40.54 | songmachine | what u mean? |
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| 17:43.05 | chealer | songmachine: see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#How_to_deal_with_kernel_changes_and_driver_upgrades . "nvidia-kernel" is nothing but a part of some package names. |
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| 17:44.16 | chealer | songmachine: follow http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Install_a_pre-built_module |
| 17:44.20 | themill | hate that wiki page .... hate... |
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| 17:46.45 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 17:48.01 | jelly-home | themill: you KNOW the obvious response to that! |
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| 17:54.39 | cysioland | What happened to package openjdk-7-jre? It disappeared from Wheezy distros! |
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| 17:56.48 | jelly-home | ,versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 17:56.48 | judd | Package openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7~b147-2.0~pre4-1 |
| 17:57.15 | jelly-home | why is openjdk-7-jre not in testing |
| 17:57.18 | jelly-home | !why is openjdk-7-jre not in testing |
| 17:57.18 | dpkg | openjdk-7-jre is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=openjdk-7-jre |
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| 17:58.28 | themill | jelly-home: because it was only uploaded 5 minutes ago |
| 17:58.30 | chealer | cysioland: it never was wheezy |
| 17:58.48 | cysioland | chealer: I have added experimental |
| 17:58.51 | songmachine | sorry but i cant understand.... what i need to do now? |
| 17:58.53 | cysioland | BTW: good bot |
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| 17:59.10 | songmachine | i was installed nvidia-kernel |
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| 17:59.38 | cysioland | How to "force" access to that package? |
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| 18:00.14 | simonlnu | songmachine: dude, you were told what to do 10 minutes ago |
| 18:00.23 | simonlnu | 13:40:25 chealer | songmachine: sorry, it's step 2 you need to re-do. |
| 18:00.25 | chealer | songmachine: you should follow the guide abovem in particular section "Install a pre-built module": http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Install_a_pre-built_module which you didn't do correctly |
| 18:01.14 | songmachine | ok... step 2 its Configure your kernel. but i dont know how |
| 18:01.19 | gary_golden | I have a video track (.avi) and sound track for it (ac3). Which player is capable of glue them together? |
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| 18:01.45 | chealer | cysioland: if you don't mind, why do you want version 7? |
| 18:02.09 | cysioland | chealer: Because I want to try Java 7 delivered by Debian |
| 18:02.16 | cysioland | Debian is for free people |
| 18:02.25 | cysioland | And you "unfree" me with tat limitation |
| 18:03.27 | Bushmills | i'd say oracle did |
| 18:04.00 | chealer | cysioland: eh. everyone is free to install what they want on Debian, but not everything is instantly packaged for free. unless you have a reason to want to try version 7, I suggest you use version 6. |
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| 18:04.37 | cysioland | chealer: Debian people packaged it, but not made this public |
| 18:04.48 | dondelelcaro | cysioland: it's publicly available in sid. |
| 18:04.55 | dondelelcaro | ,versions openjdk-7-jre |
| 18:04.55 | judd | Package openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- sid: 7~b147-2.0~pre4-1 |
| 18:04.57 | themill | cysioland: it is public... it's not compiled for your particular version of debian though. |
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| 18:05.21 | cysioland | themill: Oh, I'm amd64 ;( |
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| 18:05.40 | themill | ,versions openjdk-7-jre --arch amd64 |
| 18:05.41 | judd | Package openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- sid: 7~b147-2.0~pre4-1 |
| 18:05.45 | songmachine | Configure your kernel. |
| 18:05.52 | songmachine | $ cd /usr/src/linux # make xconfig |
| 18:06.04 | songmachine | i have no any files there |
| 18:06.28 | dondelelcaro | songmachine: you don't need to configure your kernel |
| 18:06.31 | chealer | songmachine: you're following "Build manually, with a custom kernel". you do not have a custom kernel, therefore you shouldn't use that method. you should follow the section I mentioned, above, "INSTALL A PRE-BUILT MODULE", which you can see on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Install_a_pre-built_module |
| 18:06.35 | songmachine | i have no /linux |
| 18:07.14 | cysioland | themill: Oh, sid |
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| 18:07.30 | cysioland | themill: Must I wait those 10 days? |
| 18:07.44 | TheCoffeMaker | songmachine, because you don't have the kernel sources ... follow the steps in the wiki page that chealer shared with you |
| 18:07.55 | songmachine | # apt-get install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-$(uname -r) its u mean? |
| 18:08.03 | cysioland | I will just enjoy new version of Minecraft without 1.7 boost |
| 18:08.24 | themill | cysioland: if you're running wheezy then you could probably pull it earlier. If you have to ask how to do that, then you probably don't want to touch a very new package like openjdk7 until it's had a chance to find the worst bugs |
| 18:08.41 | TheCoffeMaker | songmachine, just install nvidia-glx and apt will get all the dependencies |
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| 18:09.39 | TheCoffeMaker | songmachine, run this .... apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig |
| 18:09.45 | cysioland | themill: Oh, I will just sit on those incompatible official bins and libs |
| 18:10.09 | TheCoffeMaker | songmachine, and later run nvidia-xconfig to setup your X |
| 18:10.18 | TheCoffeMaker | songmachine, and you are done :D |
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| 18:11.59 | TheCoffeMaker | LOL overwhelmed |
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| 18:12.48 | chealer | TheCoffeMaker: it's not that simple. APT doesn't know how to install the right LKM |
| 18:13.24 | themill | wonders who knows what an LKM is |
| 18:13.41 | simonlnu | linux kernel module, duh |
| 18:14.04 | themill | yeah, but how often does someone who's clearly struggling with English hear that phrase. |
| 18:14.08 | simonlnu | or, loadable |
| 18:14.22 | simonlnu | probably not ever |
| 18:14.59 | TheCoffeMaker | chealer, didn't read the whole chat ... but ... I never had issues installing nvidia in that way ^_^ |
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| 18:15.18 | TheCoffeMaker | chealer, using the debian kernels obviously :P |
| 18:16.35 | chealer | dpkg: LKM |
| 18:16.36 | dpkg | well, lkm is Linux/Loadable Kernel Modules. Ask me about <module>. |
| 18:16.53 | chealer | dpkg apparently does ;-) |
| 18:16.53 | dpkg | chealer: i don't know |
| 18:17.01 | chealer | heh |
| 18:17.06 | TheCoffeMaker | LOL |
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| 18:17.40 | chealer | TheCoffeMaker: songmachine must have done something like that and ended up with the 486 flavor, which must be why he was getting his error. |
| 18:17.58 | TheCoffeMaker | ohhh |
| 18:17.59 | chealer | (he was using the 686 Linux image) |
| 18:18.46 | themill | chealer: looking back through 3 years of logs for this channel and for oftc, you are the only person in logs to use this abbreviation. It's apparently not particularly widespread, given that you even had to teach it to dpkg yourself... |
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| 18:20.36 | chealer | themill: hah. indeed. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LKM |
| 18:21.22 | TheCoffeMaker | themill the abbreviation LKM ? ... I though that was known by everyone :P ... well ... at least that you are newbie ... I use GNU/Linux since 15 years ago and was one of the first things that I had to learn :P |
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| 18:28.18 | jelly-home | chealer: the more likely scenario is songmachine used the installer kernel (486 flavor) and nvidia without issues, and at some point rebooted into 686 flavor where nvidia driver stopped working. Notice that their X is already configured to use nvidia. |
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| 18:29.10 | jelly-home | chealer: so basically all they needed to do is install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) and restart X |
| 18:29.14 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly-home, +1 |
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| 18:31.55 | chealer | jelly-home: the installer doesn't necessarily install the 486 flavor. |
| 18:33.26 | jelly-home | chealer: that's how I'm interpreting the facts: - installed nvidia-kernel-...-486 and -- xorg already configured for "nvidia" |
| 18:33.51 | chealer | jelly-home: but from experience, it's possible as I hinted, but people that come with this kind of problem usually just didn't do the installation properly. |
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| 18:34.17 | jelly-home | chealer: how in the seven seas would one end up with nvidia kernel modules for -486 then |
| 18:35.12 | jelly-home | there's "usually" and there's "taking all known facts into account" |
| 18:35.12 | chealer | jelly-home: as I wrote, APT doesn't know how to install the right LKM. it kind of picks one randomly unless you install properly. |
| 18:35.31 | jelly-home | chealer: at which point does apt do that |
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| 18:36.07 | chealer | jelly-home: when following step 3 (binary driver installation), if you skipped step 2 (LKM installation) |
| 18:36.28 | REdOG | anyone know how to set exim4 to honor /etc/aliases? |
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| 18:37.56 | jelly-home | chealer: oh, that's a possibility. Those instructions are a mess |
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| 18:38.18 | sephii | What are you guys using to create nice presentations on Debian? I just tried s5 but it seems quite limited, and I'd like to avoid installing libreoffice |
| 18:38.47 | robokop | i use latex-beamer |
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| 18:39.57 | sephii | latex is also quite a big package no? |
| 18:40.54 | sephii | just found HTML Slidy, seems to be nice http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy2/ |
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| 18:41.00 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:41.11 | chealer | jelly-home: what I meant is there are some installing without following that document, and they fail to do an equivalent of step 2. |
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| 18:42.09 | TheCoffeMaker | chealer, that's why I prefer to use the method ... apt-get install nvidia-glx ... it never fails :P |
| 18:42.31 | adam_ | #debian o, irc.debian.org is not the official irc channel now ? |
| 18:42.37 | adam_ | *on |
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| 18:42.44 | jelly-home | adam_: "it's complicated" |
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| 18:43.02 | adam_ | jelly-home, thks to answer me |
| 18:43.03 | jelly-home | but yes, the one on irc.debian.org is official |
| 18:43.14 | DexterF | one disk was thrown out of a raid5 array, checked it, saw no apparent errors, readded it. works at the moment but dmesg tells me some thing that for one hint at a faulty drive but smartctl says "all ok". could someone have a look please? http://pastebin.com/z2UhXULS |
| 18:43.15 | jelly-home | this one, however, is larger |
| 18:43.20 | adam_ | jelly-home, i prefer debian on freenode it avoids to be connected on the two servers |
| 18:43.23 | chealer | TheCoffeMaker: uh... if you just run that, your failure chances are about 100%. |
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| 18:43.52 | jelly-home | adam_: I'm on OFTC for other reasons but don't visit #debian there |
| 18:44.15 | adam_ | jelly-home, ok ! |
| 18:44.16 | kuznetzvo | wait, invalid CHS sector 0? shit dude. lol |
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| 18:44.28 | kuznetzvo | anytime i've seen that it's never been good.. |
| 18:44.34 | TheCoffeMaker | chealer, running that plus nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig and later running nvidia-xconfig is all what you need ... try it ... it's the method that I use and didn't fail |
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| 18:45.20 | jelly-home | DexterF: what does /proc/mdstat say? |
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| 18:45.44 | DexterF | jelly-home: 5860543744 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [UUUUU] |
| 18:45.46 | adam_ | DexterF, could it be a cache error ? is your motherboard fine ? |
| 18:45.57 | chealer | TheCoffeMaker: well, if you configure X too, you increase your chances, but that won't work on new installs by default (they have no xorg.conf) |
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| 18:46.27 | TheCoffeMaker | chealer ... you should try it before writing that |
| 18:46.33 | jelly-home | DexterF: hey, if it works now, and you ran the smart test after those errors, I say leave it be |
| 18:46.34 | DexterF | adam_: motherboard is rather new. ill go and check chipset temps tho.. |
| 18:47.03 | TheCoffeMaker | chealer, this is my output for nvidia-smi -L |
| 18:47.05 | TheCoffeMaker | GPU 0: Quadro NVS 160M (UUID: N/A) |
| 18:47.32 | TheCoffeMaker | and |
| 18:47.32 | TheCoffeMaker | nvidia 10484682 66 |
| 18:47.32 | TheCoffeMaker | i2c_core 15819 3 videodev,nvidia,i2c_i801 |
| 18:47.35 | DexterF | jelly-home: smart's short self test reports it good, too. guess I'll leave it in and see if it fails. |
| 18:47.44 | chealer | TheCoffeMaker: I tried it 2 years ago *and* reported a still unsolved bug about it ;-) |
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| 18:48.12 | TheCoffeMaker | chealer, well seems that the bug was solved :P |
| 18:48.16 | adam_ | DexterF, ok :( |
| 18:48.51 | DexterF | after all it's raid 5... not that I like the resync stress, but at least it's 10^15 disks |
| 18:48.55 | kuznetzvo | why is it bitching about errors after IDENTIFY DEVICE using the the same register values? |
| 18:49.20 | DexterF | [1543342.583855] XFS (dm-0): I/O error occurred: meta-data dev dm-0 block 0x90a83fb8 ("xfs_trans_read_buf") error 5 buf count 4096 <- any way to figure what files are affected? |
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| 18:53.39 | DexterF | one cant check a mounted xfs? |
| 18:53.49 | DexterF | damn I could have sworn.... |
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| 18:55.33 | Iridos | DexterF, perhaps when mounted ro |
| 18:55.57 | Iridos | I also have some faint memory about unusual stuff you could do with xfs... resizing? |
| 18:56.08 | Iridos | do with a mounted xfs* |
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| 18:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | DexterF: You can check it - you can't repair it without risking further damage. |
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| 18:57.31 | chealer | TheCoffeMaker: it was not. please followup to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504692 if you have new information. |
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| 19:02.20 | adam_ | better linux filesystem in your opinion ? |
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| 19:02.28 | adam_ | *best |
| 19:02.55 | jelly-home | !best |
| 19:02.55 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:02.57 | Iridos | reiser!11oneone |
| 19:03.23 | adam_ | dpkg, let's the most reliable ! fast on a standard user computer ! |
| 19:03.23 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, adam_ |
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| 19:03.49 | adam_ | Iridos, i'm stuck with reiserfs but i'm afraid it gets unsupported in few years |
| 19:03.51 | jelly-home | adam_: ext3 is, for me, by far the most reliable |
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| 19:04.11 | jelly-home | it's also VERY far from being "fast" |
| 19:04.28 | adam_ | jelly-home, yes it is what it is said on most websites |
| 19:04.35 | Iridos | adam_, I used reiser a lot... regrettably |
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| 19:04.47 | jelly-home | adam_: so do you want fast OR reliable? :-) |
| 19:04.58 | adam_ | Iridos, and do you know if it works fine with raid or lvm devices ? |
| 19:05.07 | adam_ | jelly-home, both lol ! |
| 19:05.14 | jelly-home | adam_: buy an SSD. |
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| 19:05.31 | adam_ | jelly-home, yess !!! too expensive ! |
| 19:05.43 | adam_ | jelly-home, it is well supported on linux ? |
| 19:05.43 | Iridos | after some data corruptions in 2001 it worked ok... but now again corruption on my laptop... so I backed it up once more (data was still accessible before the check!), then switched to xfs |
| 19:06.01 | jelly-home | adam_: well you can't have fast, reliable and cheap all in one. |
| 19:06.06 | amoe | You can't put a price on performance. ... oh wait you can |
| 19:06.21 | adam_ | Iridos, really data corruption with reiserfs !!! it's freaky but why xfs ? why ext3 or jfs ? |
| 19:06.26 | adam_ | *why not |
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| 19:06.55 | jelly-home | he has 75% of Irix in the nickname, why do you think xfs |
| 19:07.00 | adam_ | jelly-home, yes i agree :( but i wanted your opinion it's tiring to be alone to make these choices |
| 19:07.07 | Iridos | adam_, wanted to try something new and don't care too much for the data on the laptop (else ext3 should have been the choice) |
| 19:07.21 | jelly-home | adam_: if you don't know, use ext3 |
| 19:07.26 | Iridos | jelly-home, son of irix and dos? aaaah |
| 19:07.35 | adam_ | jelly-home, and .. ext4 lol :) |
| 19:07.49 | amoe | XFS is awesome |
| 19:07.51 | jelly-home | adam_: refer to my previous sentence |
| 19:08.19 | adam_ | jelly-home, ok ok the debate is close lol |
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| 19:08.34 | Iridos | dpkg, filesystem comparison |
| 19:08.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 19:08.37 | jelly-home | this is not a channel for a debate ;-) |
| 19:08.54 | adam_ | dpkg, pretty cool !!! i'll have a look now ! |
| 19:08.54 | dpkg | adam_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:09.03 | Iridos | after you read all those, you can remove everything from the factoid that's more than 10 years old |
| 19:09.09 | jhutchins_lt | adam_: One more time: If you don't know that you need a different filesystem for a specific reason, use ext3. |
| 19:09.11 | Iridos | also, dpkg is a bot |
| 19:09.44 | adam_ | jhutchins_lt, ok ok but telle people making ext3 stop reserving 5% to the superuser ! |
| 19:09.57 | jhutchins_lt | No. |
| 19:09.59 | songmachine | hi again..... i think my nvidia driver is ok now.... please someone can give key for ftp.ua.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free ? |
| 19:10.04 | adam_ | Iridos, i like to speak with computers ;) |
| 19:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | adam_: That has nothing to do with the filesystem. |
| 19:10.13 | Iridos | just thought I'd mention it |
| 19:10.19 | adam_ | Iridos, no i didn't know it was a bot :'( |
| 19:10.50 | Iridos | also, as I already said... some of those links are OLD |
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| 19:10.56 | adam_ | jhutchins_lt, yes indeed not directly with the filesystem but with the default configuration |
| 19:10.58 | Iridos | the 1st one is from 2004, I guess that one can go |
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| 19:11.36 | faca | hi, i have a crash systema, only in ram is i/o correct. I need show disk serial number (sdb), only have /proc, howto ? |
| 19:11.41 | Odaym | how can I find out how long my Debian has been running on a machine? |
| 19:11.46 | Odaym | meaning, the very first day |
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| 19:12.04 | valdyn | Odaym: cat /proc/uptime or run "uptime" |
| 19:12.16 | Odaym | I mean, installed, I'm sorry |
| 19:12.18 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: Take better notes. |
| 19:12.30 | valdyn | Odaym: ls -l /var/log/installer/ |
| 19:12.36 | faca | Odaym, check old file in /etc for example... |
| 19:13.02 | faca | please help. i need show disk serial number, only have a proc, sorry for my english |
| 19:13.32 | jhutchins_lt | faca: Some files install with the date they were last modified by the packager or upstream. |
| 19:13.44 | valdyn | faca: "hdparm -i /dev/sda" ( or whatever disk ) |
| 19:13.45 | adam_ | faca, have a look there /dev/disk/by-id/ .... |
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| 19:14.06 | faca | no no, noy have hdparm (i/o error in all comands) only have RAM (/proc) |
| 19:14.11 | faca | system is very damage |
| 19:14.27 | valdyn | faca: you cant read a number from a disk when you cant read from a disk |
| 19:14.48 | adam_ | valdyn, lool |
| 19:14.52 | valdyn | faca: so open your box and read the no. from the physical disk |
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| 19:15.01 | Iridos | what do you think about removing link #1 and #2 from that factoid? #1 is from 2004, #2... dunno 2005? #3 at least is from 2006, so approaching this century |
| 19:15.02 | faca | de serial number charge to ram in boot, in /proc?. i don't remeber where |
| 19:15.08 | Iridos | #4 is wikipedia, so should be ok |
| 19:15.18 | faca | valdyn, no !!, all disk same model same capacity |
| 19:15.22 | valdyn | faca: none of that, the disks serial number is read from the disk |
| 19:15.30 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Are they no longer true? |
| 19:15.31 | faca | :( |
| 19:15.38 | valdyn | faca: *YOU* asked for the serial number |
| 19:15.38 | Odaym | I think "uname -a" provides accurate information as to when the OS was installed on the machine, because I remember that it was around a certain date and uname -a shows that date |
| 19:15.47 | jelly-home | Iridos: leave wikipedia, the rest is too old |
| 19:15.52 | valdyn | faca: the serial number is printed on every disk by every vendor |
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| 19:16.13 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, extensively comparing riser with the others for speed? building an unsupported xfs? |
| 19:16.15 | Odaym | no need to check files and whatnot, because here I see stuff that dates back to 2010, which is not true of my Debian, haven't had it for that long, it's just old information about files that maybe install with date |
| 19:16.19 | faca | valdyn, then as which disk is failing?. mdadm only reports "sdb". |
| 19:16.27 | keith4 | what's that factoid for "i can't pastebin because i don't have X/web/internet"? |
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| 19:16.39 | faca | valdyn, yes, serial number is unique, but, linux not chargue in ram ? |
| 19:16.39 | valdyn | Odaym: /var/log/installer/ has log files with the date of your installation |
| 19:16.49 | faca | proc not show this ? |
| 19:16.50 | jelly-home | keith4: pastebinit for "not have X" |
| 19:16.57 | valdyn | Odaym: except when your system clock was wrong when you installed debian, obviously |
| 19:16.58 | keith4 | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 19:16.59 | Iridos | well, #3 at least also has reiser4, xfs and jfs |
| 19:17.06 | Iridos | and a 2.6 kernel :-P |
| 19:17.13 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: I asked you. |
| 19:17.20 | valdyn | faca: please dont ask me to repeat what i already said |
| 19:17.28 | faca | what part of "/ proc" is information of sata? |
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| 19:17.40 | jelly-home | keith4: if its "not have internet", then you're not here and all of this is an absinthe-powered illusion |
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| 19:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: I believe the date in uname -a is the compile time of the kernel. |
| 19:17.44 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, I answered you giving examples of what I mean... no, they're still "true", it just doesn't interest anyone anymore because nobody uses the stuff |
| 19:17.56 | Odaym | hmm |
| 19:17.57 | seb82 | jelly-home: or a cybermorgana |
| 19:17.59 | keith4 | jelly-home: oh my. that's quite alarming, then ;-) |
| 19:18.04 | valdyn | faca: proc contains *nothing*. Only when you access a proc file that info is gathered and served |
| 19:18.11 | jhutchins_lt | Odaym: I have systems that were upgraded from etch and they show 2011. |
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| 19:18.25 | valdyn | faca: and if nothing can read from your disk, then the subsystem providing proc cannot do that either |
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| 19:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: So true but irrelevant. Can you come up with more recent/relevant references? |
| 19:19.25 | Onryo | Hi I need a hex editor that will let me look in the main memory (RAM) I know there are a few like HxD in Windows. Any for Linux that can do this? |
| 19:19.29 | CannedCorn | does installing emacs install x? |
| 19:19.29 | Iridos | yes... ref #3 and #4 :) (just removed the 1st two) |
| 19:19.54 | valdyn | Onryo: why would anyone use hex editors on linux? |
| 19:19.54 | seb82 | Onryo: Google is your friend... |
| 19:20.01 | pipeline | CannedCorn: there's a "nox" package for emacs. |
| 19:20.07 | pipeline | CannedCorn: but emacs is waaaaay nicer with x11. |
| 19:20.08 | seb82 | valdyn: I didn't dare to say that... but yeah |
| 19:20.25 | valdyn | Onryo: this is what *debuggers* are made for and do much better |
| 19:20.28 | adam_ | i read that iceweasel the name only used on debian would be given up is it true ? |
| 19:20.30 | DexterF | jelly-home, adam_ figured what's wrong: the chipset has the same temperature as, well, the friggin SUN |
| 19:20.30 | faca | valdyn, but the system if I could read before the error. "/proc" is not loaded into ram at boot ? |
| 19:20.34 | CannedCorn | pipeline yeah |
| 19:20.42 | valdyn | faca: no, its generated when you access it |
| 19:20.43 | CannedCorn | this is on a server though |
| 19:20.47 | CannedCorn | so⦠no need |
| 19:20.48 | Onryo | valdyn I am hacking HTMP 9 so I can download encrypted streams from Hula |
| 19:21.08 | adam_ | DexterF, so it was an issue with the motherboard ?? :p let's say hourra to me or yahooooooo |
| 19:21.09 | jelly-home | DexterF: hah, that happened to me on an intel laptop |
| 19:21.11 | pipeline | CannedCorn: if it's on a server, don't install emacs, use tramp instead http://www.gnu.org/s/tramp/ |
| 19:21.24 | valdyn | Onryo: "apt-cache search hex editor" |
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| 19:21.35 | faca | valdyn, ok :(, thanks :(((((((((( |
| 19:21.36 | valdyn | Onryo: and i dont know what htmp is anyway |
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| 19:21.56 | DexterF | jelly-home: actually it's a setup I fumbleb into a homemade htpc enclosure part of a hifi rack. guess I need to address some design flaws in the air flow... |
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| 19:22.13 | Onryo | valdyn I have been down loading one after the next. Weird that you need to first load a file to see whats in them. I want to see whats going on in the working RAM |
| 19:22.21 | faca | valdyn, mdadm not show complete info!!! sdX is stupid in raid!!!! mdadm should report the serial numbers. |
| 19:22.54 | valdyn | Onryo: you cant to watch ram while its being modified by the program? |
| 19:23.11 | valdyn | Onryo: you *want* to watch ram while its being modified by the program? |
| 19:23.20 | valdyn | Onryo: ignore the first try |
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| 19:23.45 | seb82 | Onryo: wouldn't it be easier to decompile the program? |
| 19:23.52 | jhutchins_lt | remembers when there were little blinkenlights for each bit. |
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| 19:24.16 | jelly-home | faca: ease up on the exclamation marks, dude |
| 19:24.18 | valdyn | Onryo: i remember this made sense on old computers like amiga or c64, it really doesnt on modern systems |
| 19:24.31 | Onryo | valdyn in this case it is a stream from the net in rtmp 9 |
| 19:25.13 | songmachine | guys... help with compiz.... doesnt work too |
| 19:25.13 | seb82 | Onryo: what do you need it for? |
| 19:25.30 | seb82 | songmachine... what doesn't work? |
| 19:25.38 | songmachine | compiz |
| 19:25.51 | jelly-home | songmachine: how does it fail to work. |
| 19:25.57 | valdyn | Onryo: i dont really know what youre trying to do, but watching ram is not conclusive to what a program really does |
| 19:26.20 | Onryo | valdyn what I am going to do is start the stream from Hula then dig around in RAM look search for ?sessionid then use thta URL to find the playpath (search for 1000.mp4) |
| 19:26.25 | seb82 | songmachine: what are you running? MS-DOS, Windows, MacOSX... BSD... |
| 19:26.27 | adam_ | Iridos, how can i detect someone is a bot on a irc channel ? |
| 19:26.38 | jelly-home | songmachine: pastebin the complete output of what happens when you run eg. "compiz --replace" in a terminal. Also pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:26.42 | valdyn | Onryo: ok, you dont need a hex editor for this, you need to use a debugger |
| 19:26.47 | songmachine | for exemple... if i use commad compiz my gnome is hold.... if use compiz --replace i see some error |
| 19:27.03 | valdyn | Onryo: try gdb or ddd for a useable gui |
| 19:27.05 | jelly-home | songmachine: what is your native language? |
| 19:27.09 | Onryo | valdyn I did this at work using a free program called HxD on a crappy windows computer and it worked! |
| 19:27.22 | valdyn | Onryo: gdb is free |
| 19:27.33 | songmachine | use debian squeeze |
| 19:27.36 | Onryo | Ill see what gdb can do... |
| 19:27.44 | seb82 | Onryo: Windows isn't Linux... |
| 19:27.58 | TheCoffeMaker | songmachine, what jelly-home is asking is what is your mother tong :D |
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| 19:28.07 | seb82 | songmachine: what do you speak at home? |
| 19:28.17 | valdyn | Onryo: grepping for a url just needs grep anyway, not a hex editor |
| 19:28.29 | Iridos | adam_, only speaks after it's been addressed either by a special char or with its name? Or ask it :) |
| 19:28.33 | Iridos | dpkg, are you a bot |
| 19:28.33 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:28.37 | songmachine | transkarpatian:) |
| 19:29.03 | songmachine | my language |
| 19:29.03 | seb82 | Romania... |
| 19:29.03 | valdyn | Onryo: something like "grep <urlpattern>" /dev/kmem could even work |
| 19:29.03 | TheCoffeMaker | :D |
| 19:29.03 | adam_ | Iridos, i expected a special highly technical trick but i'll do that lol thanks |
| 19:29.04 | Onryo | valdyn ... hmmm maybe I can find something in proc =) |
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| 19:29.41 | TheCoffeMaker | songmachine, could you please send to us a pastebin with the errors that you are getting in your console ? when running compiz --replace ? |
| 19:29.44 | valdyn | oh damn i cant grep /dev/mem |
| 19:29.54 | songmachine | ok |
| 19:29.55 | valdyn | whatever though, gdb + grep is plenty tools to do this |
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| 19:30.01 | Iridos | adam_, I thought that _was_ a highly technical trick! |
| 19:30.22 | TheCoffeMaker | jelly-home, where are you from ? |
| 19:30.25 | adam_ | Iridos, nevermind I was just kidding thanks |
| 19:30.45 | Iridos | me, too |
| 19:30.52 | jelly-home | TheCoffeMaker: I was asking that question in hopes of pointing songmachine to a more appropriate channel. |
| 19:31.12 | TheCoffeMaker | yeah! I got you :D |
| 19:31.16 | jelly-home | TheCoffeMaker: join ##debian-offtopic if you really want to know |
| 19:31.22 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 19:31.29 | TheCoffeMaker | ##debian-offtopic |
| 19:31.31 | TheCoffeMaker | LOL |
| 19:31.31 | jelly-home | TheCoffeMaker: make that #debian-offtopic, sorry |
| 19:31.39 | seb82 | lol |
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| 19:32.30 | seb82 | hey guys who knows how to properly install pulseaudio server without getting OSS along with it...? |
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| 19:33.22 | seb82 | wait, wrong channel, sorry |
| 19:33.27 | jelly-home | seb82: uh, isn't that like "install pulseaudio" and that's it |
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| 19:34.57 | seb82 | jelly-home: I did that... and it resulted in a non-working audio because alsa and OSS were both trying to capture the soundcard.... |
| 19:35.13 | valdyn | seb82: pulseaudio has nothing to do with this |
| 19:35.18 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: What do you ned pa for? |
| 19:35.59 | valdyn | does debian even still ship oss drivers? |
| 19:36.04 | jelly-home | it does not |
| 19:36.22 | seb82 | jhutchins_lt: I have a virtual host... and I like to hear the sound when I play music on it... |
| 19:36.38 | jelly-home | well. |
| 19:36.42 | seb82 | valdyn: I've heard so... but it did happen... |
| 19:36.42 | jelly-home | ,versions oss4-dkms |
| 19:36.44 | judd | Package oss4-dkms on i386 -- squeeze: 4.2-build2003-1; sid: 4.2-build2004-1; wheezy: 4.2-build2004-1 |
| 19:36.45 | valdyn | probably not anymore in 3.0.0 |
| 19:37.03 | valdyn | jelly-home: ok, i didnt mean that, i mean the linux kernel |
| 19:37.26 | jelly-home | oss has been out of the kernel since around woody-time? |
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| 19:37.32 | valdyn | oh really |
| 19:37.39 | jelly-home | yarly |
| 19:37.42 | valdyn | funny i missed that |
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| 19:37.50 | jelly-home | nowai |
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| 19:38.05 | valdyn | haha, probably not, but i forgot anyway |
| 19:38.52 | seb82 | but still, it happend and left me with a non-working soundcard until earlier today... |
| 19:38.56 | Andorin | Sometimes, when I open a webpage with a decent-sized image, my system will freeze up while loading the image. The cursor still moves when I move the mouse, but I can't click on anything, and all visible activity, like the clock or the System Monitor panel applet, just stops. The keyboard ceases to work entirely, so I can't Ctrl+Alt+F1 over to a console and kill X. The only way to deal with it is to pull |
| 19:38.56 | Andorin | the plug. I run stable. What's the problem? |
| 19:39.11 | valdyn | seb82: what exactly happened? |
| 19:39.33 | jhutchins_lt | seb82: squeeze? |
| 19:39.35 | seb82 | well I installed pulseaudio as suggested with the debian wiki or debian forums... |
| 19:39.45 | seb82 | yeah I'm running squeeze... |
| 19:39.50 | adam_ | Andorin, argggh once the image is loaded your system is still unusable ? |
| 19:40.15 | Andorin | adam_: It freezes while loading, and seems to never un-freeze unless I do a hard shutdown. |
| 19:40.16 | valdyn | seb82: we know you tried to install pulseaudio, but what *else* happened that you think that oss and alsa are fighting for the hardware ( which doesnt make sense really ) |
| 19:40.45 | seb82 | all of a sudden when the pulseaudio server finally decided to work... my soundcard didn't play any sound... so when checking the mixer, it stated it had an alsa-mixer and an oss-mixer... when I rmmod the OSS-modules, sound suddenly worked again |
| 19:40.53 | adam_ | Andorin, an issue with the graphic card maybe ! do you have this problem when playing a game using your video card a lot ? |
| 19:41.05 | seb82 | after removing pulseaudio and 2 OSS-libs |
| 19:41.08 | valdyn | seb82: why do you think that having an oss-mixer is a problem? |
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| 19:41.31 | seb82 | because as soon as the OSS-modules (including a mixer) the problem was solved... |
| 19:41.32 | valdyn | seb82: and please be specific, we cant really guess what you consider an "oss-mixer" |
| 19:41.38 | Andorin | adam_: I don't have a graphics card; I just use the onboard video card. And no, I don't believe I have any such problems... the freezes only occur when loading images |
| 19:41.58 | valdyn | seb82: alsa has an oss emulation layer, thats not a problem in itself |
| 19:41.58 | adam_ | Andorin, which video driver do you use ? |
| 19:42.16 | seb82 | valdyn: it wasn't the oss emulation layer |
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| 19:42.25 | valdyn | seb82: how do you know? |
| 19:42.40 | seb82 | because that wasn't loaded... |
| 19:42.41 | mark_u | whats the best way to rollback a recent apt-get install which is upgrading older software? i am upgrading some production servers running the exploitable apache which has since been fixed in 2.2.9-10+lenny11 and want to be prepared if something fails to start after the upgrade (unlikely but needs to be considered) |
| 19:42.45 | Andorin | adam_: I don't know. How do I find out? |
| 19:43.06 | valdyn | seb82: i could assume that you really knew what youre talking about, but then i couldnt help you and you could help yourself |
| 19:43.20 | seb82 | my mixer only states an ATI-IXP (Alsa Mixer) currently but with the Oss mixer it stated another sound card... |
| 19:43.37 | valdyn | seb82: so please dont tell me that "an oss module" was loaded, just tell me the module "snd-mixer-oss" was loaded ( or whatever module ) |
| 19:43.40 | adam_ | Andorin, arggg good question ! pastebin the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:43.44 | seb82 | sorry, don't mean to sound all knowing... |
| 19:43.45 | Andorin | k |
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| 19:44.08 | seb82 | it was indeed snd-mixer-oss... modules only came to my attention in the last 9 months or so... before that I didn't mess with them... |
| 19:44.09 | valdyn | seb82: nah, that wasnt my point, i just dont want interpretations, i want your literal observations |
| 19:44.29 | valdyn | seb82: great, snd-mixer-oss is part of alsas oss emulation layer |
| 19:44.32 | seb82 | and i don't recall the other modules |
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| 19:44.51 | Andorin | adam_: Huh. I don't have an xorg.conf. |
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| 19:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: do you have another system you could try ssh with? |
| 19:45.37 | adam_ | Andorin, i would say impossible !! what is your operating system ? |
| 19:45.39 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: How much RAM? |
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| 19:45.57 | seb82 | anyway they weren't loaded again after reboot and the sound still works... |
| 19:46.08 | ectospasm | adam_: I don't have xorg.conf on my laptop, works just fine with Debian squeeze. |
| 19:46.17 | Andorin | jhutchins_lt: No, I don't, and 4 GB |
| 19:46.20 | Andorin | adam_: Debian stable |
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| 19:46.36 | seb82 | valdyn: the other was a snd_pcm_oss or something but definatally a pcm one |
| 19:46.44 | adam_ | ectospasm, ok ok !! i didn't dig in X files since ages i didn't know the xorg.conf file was not used anynmore |
| 19:46.50 | Andorin | But yeah. cat: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory |
| 19:47.01 | adam_ | Andorin, ok ok i trust you lol ;) |
| 19:47.13 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: That's entirely normal with squeeze. |
| 19:47.18 | seb82 | ofcourse we can look back in the prompt... so it was snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_os |
| 19:47.18 | adam_ | Andorin, jhutchins_lt ram issue is good idea |
| 19:47.33 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: yeah, I'd run memtest on it. |
| 19:47.45 | adam_ | Andorin, jhutchins_lt or create more swap ! |
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| 19:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: amd64? |
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| 19:47.55 | valdyn | seb82: i dont think that module is a problem in itself, but a program using oss devices ( those provided by alsas oss emulation layer ), will cause problems |
| 19:47.55 | valdyn | seb82: so delete the module files or blacklist them |
| 19:48.10 | valdyn | seb82: right, alsas oss emulation layer |
| 19:48.14 | Andorin | 64-bit on my desktop, 32-bit on my laptop (which has 1GB) |
| 19:48.32 | seb82 | okay... so it works... but I still wonder on which end I would need the pulseaudio server... |
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| 19:48.44 | valdyn | seb82: you dont need it per se |
| 19:48.50 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, what browser are you using ? |
| 19:48.59 | seb82 | how else can play the sound of the virtual host on the quest sound system? |
| 19:49.14 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: Iceweasel 6.0 |
| 19:49.25 | valdyn | seb82: my kvm or qemu support alsa directly |
| 19:49.41 | valdyn | seb82: pa is probably better for this though yes |
| 19:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: Which system has the problem? |
| 19:49.49 | seb82 | wait let me explain the situation... my home pc has vbox running... because my home pc has to run win7... |
| 19:49.59 | Andorin | jhutchins_lt: Both of them do |
| 19:50.09 | seb82 | in vbox I installed an new instance of debian squeeze... |
| 19:50.10 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: Wait a minute, if you have both just ssh from one to the other. |
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| 19:50.34 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, there is your problem ... I'm running the backported iceweasel too and if hungsup very often |
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| 19:50.41 | seb82 | my laptop doesn't support kvm... it's almost 8 to 9 years old |
| 19:50.51 | Andorin | jhutchins_lt, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 19:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | iw6 hasn't hung on me yet, got a problem URL? |
| 19:51.08 | petern_ | vbox will emulate ac97/hda |
| 19:51.11 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: Does it cause your whole system to freeze, though? |
| 19:51.16 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: When one of them freezes, see if you can get in from the other one via ssh. |
| 19:51.26 | Andorin | Anyway I'm running memtest on my laptop |
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| 19:51.43 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, yes ... but for a few seconds ... did you tried with another browser? like chromium ? |
| 19:51.48 | nkuttler | if i hated esd/arts.. and don't do sound recording/editing.. is there any point in pulseaudio? |
| 19:52.11 | seb82 | nkuttler: alsa works like a charm... |
| 19:52.12 | jhutchins_lt | nkuttler: In this case he's trying to forward sound over the net. |
| 19:52.15 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: No, I normally only browse in Iceweasel |
| 19:52.21 | seb82 | jhutchins_lt: idd |
| 19:52.29 | valdyn | seb82: whatever, networked sound system in a system in a virtual machine makes alot of sense |
| 19:52.29 | valdyn | seb82: so pa is not a bad choice |
| 19:52.29 | valdyn | seb82: but you need pa on both, the host and the guest |
| 19:52.29 | valdyn | seb82: i wouldnt know if win7 can run pa reasonably well |
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| 19:52.53 | valdyn | nice! |
| 19:52.56 | valdyn | i type to fast |
| 19:53.07 | nkuttler | i see |
| 19:53.08 | seb82 | lol @valdyn |
| 19:53.22 | seb82 | okay... well pulseadio runs within vbox not in win8 |
| 19:53.24 | nkuttler | seb82: yeah, alsa is all i use |
| 19:53.30 | seb82 | win7 |
| 19:53.39 | seb82 | nkuttler: so no pulseaudio for you... |
| 19:53.39 | nkuttler | seb82: i have audio from all my win virtualboxes |
| 19:53.58 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, me too ... and it's getting a headache for me ... I will try to find out what is causing the hungups |
| 19:54.07 | Andorin | So how does downgrading Iceweasel sound for a solution? |
| 19:54.10 | seb82 | well my network is the following... a standalone laptop with no vbox on it... and a home pc with win7 on which vbox runs with debian... |
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| 19:54.40 | nkuttler | seb82: ah, and you want the virtualbox with sound on the laptop? no idea :) |
| 19:54.47 | seb82 | so I can login so far with ssh and tightvnc... |
| 19:55.06 | seb82 | but i want to hear the sound on my laptop... the only thing I could find so far was pulseaudio... |
| 19:55.21 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: So when the vm locks up, does the host lock up too? |
| 19:55.24 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, I have another machine with the stable iceweasel and it runs ok ... the problem is only with iceweasel > 6 because with 7 (I just upgraded it) is happening too |
| 19:55.25 | valdyn | seb82: theres plenty sound server that support networking |
| 19:55.30 | Andorin | jhutchins_lt: I don't use VMs |
| 19:55.50 | seb82 | but it needs to be low mem... |
| 19:55.51 | jhutchins_lt | Andorin: Sorry, got you mixed up with seb82 |
| 19:55.55 | Andorin | mk |
| 19:55.58 | valdyn | seb82: "low mem" ? |
| 19:56.13 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think pa qualifies. |
| 19:56.18 | valdyn | seb82: every sound system is insignificant low mem compared to a webbrowser |
| 19:56.31 | seb82 | my laptop only runs with 640MB... since my videocard steals 128mb of it... |
| 19:56.34 | valdyn | seb82: it should be an irrelevant point really |
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| 19:57.29 | seb82 | okay irrelevant... I just need something that works out of the box... so I can hear the music if I run e.g. youtube on vbox debian, when running it via vnc from my laptop... |
| 19:57.44 | DexterF | how does one unmount a stale sshfs mount? |
| 19:57.52 | valdyn | seb82: people always want to start with the hardest |
| 19:57.56 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, iceweasel 7 sucks too :S ... just starting the browser it hungsup and freezes all the system ... but just for a few seconds |
| 19:58.05 | seb82 | pa is hard? pff... |
| 19:58.05 | valdyn | seb82: so you want to start with adobe flash i guess |
| 19:58.13 | valdyn | seb82: no, adobe flash is |
| 19:58.14 | Andorin | Oh. TheCoffeMaker: I think I recall Iceweasel 4 freezing up in a similar fashion a while ago, although that was with a funnyjunk.com comments page where people would put tons of .gifs in the comments... my current problem is with static images |
| 19:58.43 | valdyn | seb82: start with a program that supports pulseaudio |
| 19:58.44 | seb82 | no... I want to be able to use a virtual system due to the fact that i can use my home pc away from home... |
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| 19:59.11 | valdyn | seb82: say, "mplayer -ao pulse some.mp3" |
| 19:59.19 | seb82 | okay |
| 19:59.39 | seb82 | give me a sec so I can log in on the vbox session... |
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| 19:59.54 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, nop ... seems that it's a iceweasel issue :S ... with 7 just calling the application is enougth to freez the system |
| 20:00.04 | valdyn | seb82: and first get non-networked sound if that makes sense in your vm and that vm already had sound |
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| 20:00.32 | seb82 | valdyn: I lost ya at non-networked sound... |
| 20:00.45 | valdyn | seb82: your vm has sound already? |
| 20:00.46 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: Sucks... I browse with Iceweasel because it has extensions that I need, like NoScript and Torbutton |
| 20:01.02 | seb82 | yeah... it works on the win7box |
| 20:01.12 | valdyn | seb82: ok, now switch it to pa |
| 20:01.21 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, I know it happends to me too :S |
| 20:01.22 | valdyn | seb82: same for your laptop |
| 20:01.37 | seb82 | pa is removed from my laptop... and erm how do I switch it to pa? |
| 20:01.57 | seb82 | brb... will move the pc in question... |
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| 20:02.00 | valdyn | seb82: its really not "it" but every sound playing program |
| 20:02.03 | Nu^253r | hi is there !warranty thing here? to say about warranty? |
| 20:02.10 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: So downgrade? |
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| 20:02.17 | echo083 | i was adam_ i changed to echo083 which i registered |
| 20:02.20 | Andorin | (Asking if that's what I should do) |
| 20:02.28 | valdyn | seb82: where you dont need to switch "every program" individually but the handful of unerlaying frameworks |
| 20:02.49 | valdyn | seb82: getting mplayer -ao pulse some.mp3 work on both would be a first step... |
| 20:03.16 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, I will do a downgrade ... and keep chromium for fancy webs like +Google that needs a modern browser |
| 20:03.27 | valdyn | seb82: once thats done you can allow remote connections ( on the laptop ) and redirect pa to the laptop ( on the vm ) |
| 20:03.42 | valdyn | seb82: and I cant really help you with that. I use pa, but never networked. |
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| 20:04.24 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: Okay... do you think downgrading to Iceweasel 4 would do it, or should I go back to 3.5/3.6/whatever is included in stable? |
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| 20:05.00 | seb821 | valdyn: I'm on the host... |
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| 20:05.11 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, in stable we have 3.6 |
| 20:05.13 | seb821 | well the virtual debian running on the host... |
| 20:05.23 | valdyn | seb821: host? |
| 20:05.42 | valdyn | seb821: "start-pulseaudio-x11" |
| 20:05.43 | seb821 | the server... I just see it as a host-computer which hosts the system |
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| 20:06.15 | valdyn | seb821: if that starts successfully "mplayer -ao pulse some.mp3" |
| 20:06.30 | seb821 | it doesn't because it runs as root... |
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| 20:06.41 | valdyn | seb821: dont run it as root |
| 20:07.13 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: Stable it is, I guess, although I rather like the new interface |
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| 20:07.33 | seb821 | brb |
| 20:07.58 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, me too ... I have a screen with a height of 800 pixels ... and really sucks with the old interface |
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| 20:09.22 | seb821 | valdyn: I get a failure straight away |
| 20:09.33 | valdyn | seb821: *which* one |
| 20:10.00 | seb821 | Module initalization failed. |
| 20:10.19 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, the stable version works great :D |
| 20:10.30 | valdyn | seb821: the complete error |
| 20:10.34 | Andorin | TheCoffeMaker: I'll try it for a little while and see if there are any problems. Thanks for your help |
| 20:10.41 | seb821 | seb@ghost:~$ start-pulseaudio-x11 |
| 20:10.41 | seb821 | Failure: Module initalization failed |
| 20:10.53 | TheCoffeMaker | Andorin, you are welcome :D |
| 20:11.04 | seb821 | that's all |
| 20:11.41 | valdyn | seb821: any program using sound right now? |
| 20:11.47 | seb821 | no nothing |
| 20:11.56 | valdyn | seb821: try again then |
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| 20:13.23 | seb821 | still |
| 20:13.28 | valdyn | seb821: maybe its already running |
| 20:13.34 | valdyn | seb821: i cant do much with that error.. |
| 20:13.51 | seb821 | seb@ghost:/etc$ pulseaudio |
| 20:13.52 | seb821 | E: pid.c: Daemon already running. |
| 20:13.52 | seb821 | E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. |
| 20:14.02 | valdyn | seb821: duh |
| 20:14.11 | valdyn | seb821: its already running..... |
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| 20:14.35 | seb821 | I disabled the daemon just a few before and it still stated it was running |
| 20:14.47 | seb821 | I now did a sudo pulseaudio: |
| 20:14.52 | valdyn | seb821: "ps aux | grep pulse" |
| 20:15.01 | valdyn | seb821: maybe you have a system wide pa running |
| 20:15.09 | seb821 | could be |
| 20:15.19 | valdyn | seb821: but debians pa does not run as systemwide daemon by default |
| 20:15.30 | seb821 | ah kk |
| 20:15.40 | songmachine | guys.... thnxful for help with my problem..... that deal with so noob in debian.... but i have new problem T_T with my memory.... disk / is full..... what can i delete? |
| 20:15.43 | valdyn | seb821: so youre not running debian or you changed something in /etc/default/ or im really wrong |
| 20:16.12 | seb821 | I'm running debian in vm... |
| 20:16.17 | valdyn | seb821: "/etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop" should stop the systemwide daemon |
| 20:16.44 | valdyn | seb821: or "killall pulseaudio" |
| 20:16.47 | seb821 | when I do sudo start-pulseaudio-x11 I get no error |
| 20:17.12 | valdyn | seb821: hmm, its possible theres some group membership im missing |
| 20:17.31 | seb821 | seb isn't a groupmember of root |
| 20:17.35 | valdyn | seb821: however as root this is not useful, you user programs cant use it |
| 20:17.49 | seb821 | it did find the server |
| 20:17.50 | valdyn | seb821: youre not supposed to be member of root group with anyone but root |
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| 20:18.44 | jhutchins_lt | senses a reinstall in the making. |
| 20:18.47 | songmachine | hello... |
| 20:19.08 | seb821 | okay but it runs... so |
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| 20:19.26 | valdyn | seb821: you can actually play sound with "mplayer -ao pulse" ? |
| 20:19.54 | valdyn | somehow i suspect youre running X as root |
| 20:20.03 | valdyn | or logged into X as root |
| 20:20.04 | seb821 | no I'm now running it as seb |
| 20:20.12 | valdyn | seb821: ok |
| 20:20.24 | valdyn | seb821: what about pulseaudio, is that run as seb? |
| 20:20.24 | seb821 | mplayer isn't installed yet... lol |
| 20:20.34 | seb821 | with sudo... |
| 20:20.40 | valdyn | seb821: sudo is *root* |
| 20:21.01 | seb821 | okay I killed pulseaudio and my audio from chrome with youtube is gone |
| 20:21.27 | seb821 | i was able to start pa now as seb |
| 20:21.28 | pipeline | seb821: pulseaudio is terrible. Configure dmix in asoundrc and get it over with. |
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| 20:21.39 | seb821 | but still the sound is gone |
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| 20:22.50 | seb821 | and now it works... |
| 20:22.58 | seb821 | pa as seb, and sound works |
| 20:23.02 | seb821 | Yeay!! |
| 20:23.25 | Martiini | question: apt-get dist-upgrade broken system results because of user mistakes - (that is mixing stable, unstable etc) or is result of missing packages ?? |
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| 20:23.44 | Martiini | sitting at a broken debian unstable right now |
| 20:23.47 | Martiini | on laptop |
| 20:23.55 | seb821 | valdyn: now waht |
| 20:23.55 | Martiini | perl |
| 20:24.11 | Martiini | perl-modules : Depends: perl (>= 5.12.4-1) but 5.10.1-17squeeze2 is installed |
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| 20:24.30 | seb821 | *what |
| 20:24.33 | Martiini | sooo .. it means that packages are just missing .. or .. I have to donwgrade |
| 20:25.24 | jelly-home | Martiini: mixing stable and unstable is not supported and can often result in such situations. |
| 20:25.54 | jelly-home | Martiini: what is the debian release you'd like to run? |
| 20:26.03 | Martiini | jelly-home, ok man .. because packages are missing .. or |
| 20:26.12 | Martiini | apt logs tell me nothing |
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| 20:26.35 | jelly-home | Martiini: because they're not made to mix well |
| 20:26.50 | Martiini | Jelly-home, experimental. what Id wanna run |
| 20:26.57 | jelly-home | Martiini: why? |
| 20:27.01 | Martiini | latest xfce + latest everything |
| 20:27.09 | Martiini | dunno , faster maybe ? |
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| 20:27.30 | Martiini | why do they upgrade packages anyway |
| 20:27.43 | Martiini | and rewrite linux software ??? |
| 20:28.12 | jelly-home | Martiini: ok. you want shiny new shit. use unstable then, but be prepared for it to break, and help fixing it or at least check and file bugs when new breakage occurs. |
| 20:28.28 | Martiini | jelly-home, yes, thanks for this warning |
| 20:28.40 | Martiini | unstable perl is missing then |
| 20:29.00 | Martiini | or .. the first message I posted, what does it say |
| 20:29.14 | Martiini | so .. its debian not me t |
| 20:29.30 | Martiini | debian is missing packages not that I shouldnt upgrade or downgrade |
| 20:29.35 | jelly-home | Martiini: apt-cache policy perl perl-base perl-modules will tell you whether it's missing. |
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| 20:30.08 | seb821 | okay where do I continue now? |
| 20:30.18 | jelly-home | Martiini: it's definitely you, at least until you learn to interpret and manage this kind of mess |
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| 20:30.30 | Martiini | yes, thanks |
| 20:30.35 | Martiini | looking into it |
| 20:32.38 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Martiini -about bat |
| 20:33.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Martiini -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:33.21 | Martiini | ok, so .. apt or aptitude calculates upgrade based on available package dependencies ... so .. some must be missing |
| 20:33.43 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Martiini -about wheezy |
| 20:33.51 | Martiini | not interested, thanks |
| 20:34.04 | Martiini | Im not on some university server .. upgrading |
| 20:34.27 | jelly-home | you're not interested in a channel which is more appropriate for testing and sid users? |
| 20:34.40 | jelly-home | oh well |
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| 20:34.49 | Martiini | if there is one, yes |
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| 20:35.01 | jelly-home | then read what dpkg told you |
| 20:35.08 | an0 | whats the best way to mount a directory (as opposed to a device) at another directory? I was told I could use mount -o loopback, or something similar.. |
| 20:35.15 | an0 | Or mount --bind? |
| 20:35.29 | ectospasm | an0: you want mount --bind |
| 20:35.49 | jelly-home | an0: mount --bind is the correct approach if symlinks are not good for your purpose |
| 20:36.21 | an0 | Is it as simple as `mount --bind /mount/this/dir /at/this/dir`? |
| 20:36.32 | jelly-home | an0: it is. you need an existing (preferably empty) directory on the destination as a mountpoint |
| 20:36.47 | an0 | Okay, sounds perfect. |
| 20:37.16 | seb821 | hey babilen |
| 20:37.24 | jelly-home | an0: do you need it to be permanently present? |
| 20:37.27 | ectospasm | an0: this is explained in the mount manpage. |
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| 20:37.52 | an0 | The purpoes is a chrooted user who needs to write to the directory she's chrooted to (which has to be owned by root:root). So if I bind that directory to another and chroot her to the other dir, I'm told that should work because the one she needs to write to can be owned by her or her group. |
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| 20:38.29 | an0 | ectospasm: i understand that, but everything is explained somewhere. you guys offer better support than a man page (which I obviously read, or I wouldn't have asked about the --bind option). |
| 20:38.34 | seb821 | right works so far... back to the table and see if we can it working on the laptop |
| 20:38.45 | Martiini | jelly-home YOu can help me downgrade/revert to squeezy if I post apt output ??? |
| 20:38.46 | an0 | jelly-home: yes |
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| 20:38.51 | ectospasm | an0: yeah, when chroots are involved, mount --bind is the only viable solution |
| 20:38.59 | an0 | ectospasm: thanks! |
| 20:39.05 | jelly-home | an0: fstab syntax: /spool/postfix /var/spool/postfixnonerw,bind 0 0 |
| 20:39.18 | an0 | ooh, yes I'll need that for sure. |
| 20:39.33 | an0 | so does `-o loopback` exist, and how is this the better option? |
| 20:39.43 | ectospasm | an0: not for chroots afaik |
| 20:39.53 | ectospasm | an0: and it's "-o loop" |
| 20:40.08 | an0 | oh okay |
| 20:40.17 | Martiini | debian sucks |
| 20:40.26 | jelly-home | Martiini: typically the only safe way is a reinstall, but if you don't have anything to lose, try /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 20:40.35 | Martiini | opensuse, fedora, rpm - you can just downgrade .. |
| 20:40.50 | jelly-home | well use whatever works for you |
| 20:40.52 | Martiini | debian systems .. NO .. apt only upgrades |
| 20:40.52 | an0 | jelly-home: is the space after /var/spool/postfix intentionally missing in your message above? |
| 20:41.18 | jelly-home | an0: it's not missing |
| 20:41.36 | an0 | wonders if he's losing his mind. |
| 20:41.43 | jelly-home | heh heh heh |
| 20:42.13 | an0 | i see no space between /var/spool/postfix and nonerw,bind |
| 20:42.15 | an0 | =\ |
| 20:42.47 | an0 | might be a bug in Colloquy. |
| 20:42.49 | ectospasm | an0: get a better client, there's a space between none and rw |
| 20:42.51 | jelly-home | fix your client, I guess /spool/postfix /var/spool/postfix none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 20:43.02 | seb82 | okay guys I'm gonna try reinstalling pulseaudio |
| 20:43.04 | Martiini | jelly-home, u are in USA ? |
| 20:43.12 | jelly-home | Martiini: no, Croatia |
| 20:43.15 | Martiini | nice |
| 20:43.20 | an0 | thanks guys! afk |
| 20:43.23 | Martiini | u do this out of your free time ?? |
| 20:43.28 | jelly-home | yes |
| 20:43.36 | jelly-home | you want paid support? |
| 20:43.46 | Martiini | no ,, donwgrade |
| 20:44.07 | Martiini | why, you know who provide paid debian support ? |
| 20:44.14 | Martiini | no thanks |
| 20:44.18 | jelly-home | I do. |
| 20:44.20 | Iridos | Martiini, I don't think rpm downgrades work better... perhaps people are just more used to broken stuff (but this is getting a bit offtopic) |
| 20:44.29 | jelly-home | and many other companies |
| 20:44.47 | Martiini | Iridos, opensuse downgrades .. what I know |
| 20:44.50 | Martiini | easy |
| 20:45.00 | jelly-home | Martiini: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 20:45.23 | Iridos | from what I remember, even a fresh Suse install is inherently broken </flame> |
| 20:45.27 | seb82 | soundcard has been fixed really well after today... lol |
| 20:45.38 | seb82 | my headphone jack works while system is muted... |
| 20:46.05 | Martiini | jelly-home, you provide paid support ? |
| 20:46.25 | jelly-home | Martiini: yeah, if you need it |
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| 20:46.37 | Martiini | ok, smartass , I get it now |
| 20:46.54 | jelly-home | downgrades are tricky; in some cases impossible because of non-reversible format changes |
| 20:47.07 | jelly-home | but doable for most packages |
| 20:47.36 | jelly-home | Martiini: /msg me if you want a quote |
| 20:47.36 | Martiini | howcome you speak this english when you're in croatia |
| 20:47.52 | Martiini | provide debian support in english |
| 20:47.56 | jelly-home | how come YOU speak English? |
| 20:48.05 | seb82 | he learned it in school? |
| 20:48.14 | jelly-home | seb82: inconceivable |
| 20:48.22 | Martiini | school |
| 20:48.29 | Martiini | learned english at school |
| 20:48.34 | Martiini | and linux on my own .. at home |
| 20:48.36 | seb82 | I know I did... even as a native speaker... |
| 20:48.57 | Martiini | seb82, native, uk or usa |
| 20:48.59 | seb82 | yeah I learned stuff of linux the same way |
| 20:49.01 | seb82 | UK |
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| 20:49.16 | Martiini | then youre born english, mate |
| 20:49.21 | Martiini | not learn |
| 20:49.35 | seb82 | therefor I am a native speaker... |
| 20:49.53 | jelly-home | perhaps he's Welsh or Scot! |
| 20:50.10 | Martiini | seb82, yes , are you welsh or scootish |
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| 20:50.31 | seb82 | it doesn't me that me mother is Irish I'm a Welsh or Scot... I was born near Wales though |
| 20:50.49 | Martiini | djoch van dough .. or somethink |
| 20:50.51 | Martiini | welsh |
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| 20:50.59 | seb82 | I don't speak welsh... |
| 20:50.59 | Martiini | djochhanvau |
| 20:51.07 | seb82 | gunnes atato? |
| 20:51.14 | Martiini | no idea |
| 20:51.15 | seb82 | I know a little gaelic from me mother though |
| 20:51.25 | Martiini | gaelic sounds nice .. |
| 20:51.26 | seb82 | gunnes atato means How are you? |
| 20:51.44 | seb82 | you'd reply with tagogame... as I'm doing fine... |
| 20:51.57 | seb82 | I can't write it, just pronounciation... |
| 20:52.23 | seb82 | but yeah |
| 20:52.28 | Martiini | Enya sings in welsh |
| 20:52.32 | Martiini | sounds nice |
| 20:52.37 | seb82 | yeah she does |
| 20:52.43 | Martiini | gaelic |
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| 20:52.56 | seb82 | where are you from Martiini? |
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| 20:52.59 | Martiini | estonia |
| 20:53.02 | Martiini | tallinn |
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| 20:53.11 | seb82 | isn't that near letvia? |
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| 20:53.24 | seb82 | never paid much attention with the Eurosong thing |
| 20:53.27 | Martiini | latvia is 300km south |
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| 20:53.36 | Martiini | towards poland |
| 20:53.45 | Martiini | latvians speak completely different language |
| 20:53.45 | seb82 | km... my metric system fails me a bit... how many miles is that? |
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| 20:54.02 | Martiini | 1,6 X km = miles |
| 20:54.33 | seb82 | 300 + 180 (give or take) = 480 miles? |
| 20:54.34 | Martiini | Im not in effing latvia, Im in ESTONIA |
| 20:55.04 | jelly-home | seb82: more like 180 miles |
| 20:56.16 | Martiini | same latin alphabet .. no difference |
| 20:56.19 | seb82 | then it's 300 km times 0.6 and not 1.6 |
| 20:56.24 | seb82 | great |
| 20:56.35 | seb82 | lemme get googlemaps... |
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| 20:56.57 | babilen | !ot |
| 20:56.57 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 20:57.36 | seb82 | owkay... sowwy |
| 20:57.38 | jelly-home | yeah, look at all the ontopic discussion going on |
| 20:58.03 | seb82 | It's near Finland, Helsinki... back to the topic... I'm was still trying to get pa server to work... |
| 20:58.30 | seb82 | so which pc needs to run it... my laptop on which i want to hear the sound or on the virtual pc? |
| 20:58.31 | Martiini | seb82, google - 1miles = 1.6 km |
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| 20:59.20 | seb82 | 0.6 miles = 1 km |
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| 20:59.38 | Martiini | yes, correct , my mistake .. what I posted first |
| 20:59.58 | seb82 | but back to the topic... where does the pa server need to run? |
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| 21:01.07 | Martiini | jelly-home, so .. you get paid for providing debian support ?? |
| 21:01.15 | Martiini | how can I ?? |
| 21:01.27 | Martiini | its on debian homepage or ? |
| 21:01.57 | jelly-home | Martiini: find clients willing to exchange $$$ for your services. |
| 21:03.02 | seb82 | owkay... I'm running tightvncserver on the virtual pc... when I login to it now... I get a grey screen... with an x as mouse pointer... |
| 21:03.16 | jelly-home | Martiini: well you can ask to add your company to http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 21:03.32 | Martiini | jelly-home, I just read that page |
| 21:03.42 | PerfDave | seb82: What did you expect to see? |
| 21:03.42 | Martiini | seb82, its bcause of drivers |
| 21:03.58 | seb82 | a desktop... |
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| 21:04.03 | PerfDave | seb82: You're seeing a desktop |
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| 21:04.16 | PerfDave | It's just not running anything |
| 21:04.26 | seb82 | it worked before when I ran tightvncserver as root... now I run it as a normal user... |
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| 21:04.35 | PerfDave | It's working now |
| 21:04.53 | seb82 | how do you know? |
| 21:04.56 | jelly-home | seb82: the vnc server has a separate X session, and no X apps running in it by default |
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| 21:05.12 | PerfDave | seb82: Because you're seeing what you're supposed to see - an X server you're accessing over VNC |
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| 21:05.35 | jelly-home | the grey screen (what happened to the stippled background anyway) is default background, X root window, |
| 21:05.35 | PerfDave | If you've not exported any apps into the X server, or told it to spawn anything on startup, that's what you get. |
| 21:05.36 | seb82 | so how can i run xfce or gnome for e.g. in it? |
| 21:05.51 | PerfDave | seb82: Just export them into the display |
| 21:05.58 | seb82 | how? |
| 21:06.08 | PerfDave | By setting DISPLAY appropriately and running them |
| 21:06.16 | Noobian | Does anybody know an article or a guide on how to install debian (netinstall) on Amazon EC2? |
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| 21:06.33 | seb82 | why didn't I have the issue when I started tightvncserver as root on the system? |
| 21:06.47 | PerfDave | seb82: What issue? |
| 21:07.03 | seb82 | of an empty desktkop with no apps? |
| 21:07.12 | PerfDave | That's not an issue, that's what you asked for. |
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| 21:07.26 | PerfDave | root might have some config files which tell the X server to start some apps |
| 21:07.27 | Martiini | what is going on |
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| 21:07.39 | seb82 | owkay... now we're getting somewhere... |
| 21:07.40 | Martiini | seb82 , how are you running vnc ? |
| 21:07.42 | sollux_ | has anyone got any experience with laptop power systems? i've got a strange one that doesnt seem to be reporting the battery percentage, even though this information is reported correctly by the kernel. |
| 21:07.57 | PerfDave | seb82: Did you read the tightvncserver manpage or docs? |
| 21:08.08 | seb82 | normally it works just out of the box |
| 21:08.32 | seb82 | I just type tightvncserver -geometry 1024x768 and I get a working desktop with apps when I login to it |
| 21:08.34 | Martiini | seb82, vnc .. is .. like .. you get windows desktop access on android or iphone ..etc |
| 21:08.50 | Martiini | but I dont understand what you are doing |
| 21:09.05 | PerfDave | seb82: It does what it's told to do. Read the docs. |
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| 21:09.19 | seb82 | reading xstartup would suffiece... |
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| 21:09.29 | seb82 | it says xsetroot -solid grey... |
| 21:09.59 | phuzion | Anyone here know why apt-get remove --purge mysql-server might be doing a process that is similar to an install? ie, asking for a root password? |
| 21:10.15 | phuzion | looks like it's doing something with dpkg-configure or something. |
| 21:10.20 | Martiini | soolux_ battery application doesnt work ? |
| 21:10.57 | seb82 | I replaced /etc/X11/Xsession with exec ck-launch-session gnome-session... |
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| 21:11.29 | songmachine | what can delete from / for clean memory (full)....? |
| 21:11.36 | Martiini | phuzion, so .. it removes musql .. |
| 21:11.55 | Martiini | songmachine, apt cache ? |
| 21:12.00 | PerfDave | seb82: Your hard drive is full? Can you run "apt-get clean"? |
| 21:12.03 | PerfDave | Uhm |
| 21:12.07 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to run xrandr on a remote machine over ssh is there a way to make it display the settings for display :0 ? |
| 21:12.08 | PerfDave | songmachine: Your hard drive is full? Can you run "apt-get clean"? |
| 21:12.14 | seb82 | my harddrive isn't full |
| 21:12.27 | PerfDave | tharkun: DISPLAY=:0 xrandr ? |
| 21:12.32 | Martiini | songmachine, ah, memory full .. top , killall some app |
| 21:12.33 | songmachine | yes is full |
| 21:12.44 | songmachine | no RAM.... HDD |
| 21:12.53 | tharkun | PerfDave: xrandr -display :0 No protocol specified Can't open display :0 |
| 21:13.03 | Martiini | hdd full .. apt-get clean , browser clean , remove large apps |
| 21:13.13 | Martiini | hah |
| 21:13.14 | seb82 | buy a new harddrive |
| 21:13.26 | Martiini | Im providing linux support like a king ! |
| 21:13.34 | Martiini | yes, AND buy a new PC |
| 21:13.40 | Martiini | lolz |
| 21:13.42 | jelly-home | songmachine: use "du" command to find out directories taking most space |
| 21:14.16 | Martiini | df -h - space |
| 21:14.19 | songmachine | i use apt-get clean and /var/lib/dpkg..... any process use it? |
| 21:14.23 | songmachine | error |
| 21:14.23 | PerfDave | tharkun: That's not what I said. |
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| 21:14.40 | seb82 | Martiini... I'm running with a 8 to 9 year old laptop... single core... running Linux on it was the best choice ever... |
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| 21:14.54 | tharkun | PerfDave: Samae result non the less |
| 21:14.58 | PerfDave | songmachine: What command did you run, and what error did you get? |
| 21:15.05 | seb82 | i did change the harddrive... because 40G is not really the best space around... |
| 21:15.13 | seb82 | i got 6x as much now |
| 21:15.16 | PerfDave | tharkun: Is there a display on :0? Are you running it? |
| 21:15.31 | tharkun | PerfDave: yes there is and no, a user is running it |
| 21:15.37 | jelly-home | songmachine: do not touch /var/lib/dpkg, that directory holds packaging system data If you destroy that you'll have to reinstall |
| 21:15.59 | seb82 | when starting vnc... as soon as it loads the desktop, it won't accept keyboard input... |
| 21:16.10 | PerfDave | tharkun: That's why you can't access it then, you don't have permission. |
| 21:16.19 | rubidious | Hello all. I'm running into a problem booting with nfs common. My machine hangs while loading statd and never seems to come out of it. I am running FDE with lvm and dm_crypt and have not changed anything since last week or so. I moved about two days ago and I've been having this problem since I rebooted. My uptime before the move was considerable though.. so this may not be the issue. |
| 21:16.20 | songmachine | i dont.... i mean its error show when i run apt-get clean |
| 21:16.22 | tharkun | PerfDave: even as root? |
| 21:16.29 | PerfDave | tharkun: Even as root |
| 21:16.38 | tharkun | PerfDave: thanks for the info |
| 21:16.44 | PerfDave | tharkun: You can *get* permission as root, but you don't have it by default. |
| 21:17.05 | somiaj | songmachine: can you paste the error at paste.debian.net so se can see it. |
| 21:17.23 | tharkun | PerfDave: man $FILL_IN_THE_BLANK ?? |
| 21:17.38 | jelly-home | songmachine: do you write russian perhaps? if you read/write it better than english, try asking for help in #debian-russian |
| 21:17.41 | PerfDave | tharkun: xauth |
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| 21:18.10 | PerfDave | rubidious: Is the machine getting an IP address before loading statd? |
| 21:18.13 | jelly-home | songmachine: your English is hard to understand and makes it not easy to help you |
| 21:18.37 | songmachine | i know) |
| 21:18.44 | rubidious | PerfDave: it doesn't appear to load network stuff no |
| 21:18.47 | seb82 | he's trying to say he gets the error when he executes apt-get clean |
| 21:18.59 | songmachine | i mean dpkg (apt, aptitude) is lock.... how to unlock? |
| 21:19.14 | rubidious | PerfDave: I'm not sure why though.. everything except for the default DNS server should be the same as before my move |
| 21:19.23 | seb82 | omg... not that shit again... that caused me one time down the drain and reinstall my entire system |
| 21:19.34 | songmachine | i can install any packages, only read mode |
| 21:19.36 | PerfDave | rubidious: That's probably why it's hanging. |
| 21:19.44 | Martiini | uhhh .. I cannot take IRC channels ... people with computer problems .. Im out |
| 21:19.45 | jelly-home | songmachine: find and kill any package manager processes (dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, update-manager...) |
| 21:19.46 | PerfDave | songmachine: Can you please paste the error you get from "apt-get clean"? |
| 21:19.52 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 21:19.53 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 21:20.01 | tharkun | PerfDave: thanks |
| 21:20.06 | PerfDave | tharkun: No worries |
| 21:20.10 | jelly-home | songmachine: do it like that: LANG=C apt-get clean |
| 21:20.17 | rubidious | PerfDave: but how do I fix it without being able to boot? I can't even boot the recovery image |
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| 21:20.36 | songmachine | ii cant find and i cant paste error (error on rusian language) |
| 21:20.51 | jelly-home | songmachine: do it like that: "LANG=C apt-get clean" |
| 21:21.08 | jelly-home | or better, LC_ALL=C apt-get clean |
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| 21:21.47 | songmachine | this error E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 21:21.54 | Martiini | songmachine there is russian debian irc channel |
| 21:22.00 | Martiini | po russkii |
| 21:22.27 | Noobian | Does anybody know an article or a guide on how to install debian on Amazon EC2? |
| 21:22.34 | Martiini | songmachine .. another process using it .. two apt processes |
| 21:22.35 | songmachine | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.56 | Martiini | this is russian you just posted and comes in gibberish |
| 21:23.08 | songmachine | may be.... but i use only apt-get clean once |
| 21:23.21 | seb82 | erm my vnc won't catch my input... now wot? |
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| 21:23.50 | Martiini | noobian, amazon ec2 is a service ? |
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| 21:24.08 | Noobian | Martiini yes |
| 21:24.36 | Martiini | noobian, whatthehell is amazon ec2 .. and why the hell you install linux on it |
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| 21:25.45 | Martiini | noobian, google second result - Amazon Linux AMI (Beta) |
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| 21:25.56 | Noobian | Martiini amazon elastic cloud? why the hell? why not the hell? just wanna test it. it seems like ubuntu has official images, but debian ones have password and no docs |
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| 21:26.41 | Noobian | Martiini Amazon Linux AMI is just completely different distro |
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| 21:27.04 | Martiini | its a service ?? |
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| 21:27.07 | Noobian | Mariini if you don't have an answer, feel free not to respond |
| 21:27.12 | Noobian | it is |
| 21:27.14 | Martiini | ok |
| 21:27.20 | songmachine | i find th problem with two apt.... so how clean my hdd? |
| 21:27.21 | Martiini | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:27.38 | jelly-home | Martiini: that's actually rule number one of volunteer support |
| 21:27.38 | Noobian | Thanks. Much better |
| 21:27.44 | songmachine | i dont know what files can delete or not... |
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| 21:28.17 | Martiini | songmachine, You tried "apt-get clean" ?? |
| 21:28.29 | songmachine | yes.... i have no clean |
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| 21:28.40 | songmachine | anything else? |
| 21:28.43 | PerfDave | songmachine: Are you root when you type "LANG=C apt-get clean"? |
| 21:28.49 | songmachine | yes |
| 21:29.11 | songmachine | i try in synaptic too |
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| 21:29.33 | Martiini | songmachine, You want to clean hdd and make space ? |
| 21:29.50 | Martiini | this is so hard to follow .. I cannot follow this ... |
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| 21:30.35 | seb82 | songmachine do you know how to post to paste.debian.net? |
| 21:30.40 | PerfDave | songmachine: Does "lsof /var/lib/dpkg/" tell you anything useful? |
| 21:31.35 | songmachine | yes.... / full.... only 5-7mb free.... (/usr 63.9%) (/var 29.4%) and (/lib 4.5%) |
| 21:32.26 | songmachine | PerfDave yes |
| 21:32.33 | songmachine | i find process |
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| 21:33.02 | Martiini | PerfDave, howcome you are You able to pinpoint on irc the problem person has .. ?? |
| 21:33.19 | Martiini | I have no idea what is going on |
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| 21:33.49 | seb82 | Martiini... double reading... trying to interpret someone means... loads of guessing here and there... |
| 21:34.17 | seb82 | songmachine: how big your harddrive... |
| 21:34.18 | Martiini | YOu have to KNOW the WHOLE linux/unix system .. jeezuz |
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| 21:34.25 | Martiini | to help like this |
| 21:34.36 | songmachine | 500gb.... for debian only 50 |
| 21:34.38 | seb82 | perhaps he's linus in disguise... |
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| 21:34.46 | PerfDave | Martiini: I listen to what they say, and use my intelligence and experience. |
| 21:34.53 | seb82 | lol |
| 21:34.54 | PerfDave | songmachine: What process do you find with lsof? |
| 21:35.00 | seb82 | PerfDave go you!! |
| 21:35.06 | jelly-home | PerfDave: and you stay away from offtopic channels! |
| 21:35.19 | songmachine | PerfDave synaptic |
| 21:35.27 | seb82 | jelly-home: how else can he find the time to help other ppz? |
| 21:35.28 | Iridos | Martiini, also, we're all psychics and can read minds independent of where the person asking the question is |
| 21:35.38 | PerfDave | jelly-home: I stay away from most channels |
| 21:35.53 | PerfDave | songmachine: OK, can you kill that synaptic process? |
| 21:35.59 | jelly-home | *sniff* |
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| 21:36.36 | songmachine | yes.... i had alrady |
| 21:36.47 | songmachine | already killed |
| 21:36.48 | seb82 | #fustrating #vncwonttakekeyboardinput |
| 21:37.56 | PerfDave | songmachine: How did you kill it? |
| 21:38.05 | thogar | hah |
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| 21:38.43 | songmachine | just close window....lol:) |
| 21:38.48 | thogar | all i did was create a .desktop and shoved it in /home/<user>/.config/autostart which runs my script in terminal |
| 21:39.10 | songmachine | so.... how to clean /var and /usr ? |
| 21:39.12 | PerfDave | songmachine: Looks like the synaptic UI has gone away, but the process is still running. The output of lsof should give you the "process ID" (PID) of synaptic. |
| 21:39.27 | PerfDave | songmachine: You need to type "kill 12345" where 12345 is the PID of synaptic. |
| 21:40.47 | songmachine | no.... u no understand.... synaptic been opened and i just close the window of synaptic, no reason to kill process |
| 21:41.22 | songmachine | i need clean /var and /usr :'( |
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| 21:41.47 | seb82 | if you need to clean with apt-get clean... you need to kill aptitude... aptitude and apt-get are the same... |
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| 21:42.17 | seb82 | kill aptitude and then do apt-get clean or sudo apt-get clean |
| 21:42.34 | PerfDave | seb82: No listen to me |
| 21:42.40 | PerfDave | Uhm damnit |
| 21:42.42 | PerfDave | songmachine: No listen to me |
| 21:42.52 | seb82 | PerfDave: I am, lol |
| 21:43.00 | PerfDave | songmachine: The safest way to free up hard drive space is to run "apt-get clean". In order to do that, you need to get rid of synaptic. |
| 21:43.43 | tharkun | du -ckh and df -h are your friends :D |
| 21:43.45 | songmachine | by the way..... sorry for my english, i cant go to #debian-russian, coz there inadequate people.... and i need practice my english:) |
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| 21:44.03 | seb82 | well privjet and be welcome!! |
| 21:44.10 | an0 | okay, I used `mount -B /mnt/test1 /home/test2` and now I'm trying to get an sftp user who is chrooted to /mnt/test1 to be able to write there. |
| 21:44.12 | PerfDave | tharkun: I really don't think they are friendly in this instance. |
| 21:44.25 | an0 | `/mnt/test1` is owned by root:root |
| 21:45.00 | an0 | but I can't seem to log in as the user via sftp unless /home/test2 is also owned by root:root |
| 21:45.07 | tharkun | PerfDave: :D Sorry i didn't back read the full conversation but yes your are right |
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| 21:45.24 | jspiros | Anyone want to do a quick ad-hoc key signing at DjangoCon? |
| 21:45.50 | alfplayer | how can i log/audit devices as i connect them? i'd like to have devices uniquely identified, i'd like to log serial numbers |
| 21:46.30 | PerfDave | alfplayer: What sort of devices? |
| 21:46.46 | songmachine | when i run apt-get clean --- /var =8.5% /usr=82.1% |
| 21:46.46 | alfplayer | if possible, any kind |
| 21:46.53 | PerfDave | You could probably write some udev scripts to log any devices it recognises |
| 21:47.04 | Iridos | alfplayer, dmesg, if the kernel sees them? |
| 21:47.20 | alfplayer | i was thinking especially about storage devices |
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| 21:47.43 | alfplayer | Iridos: yes, i was looking for a prepackaged solution |
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| 21:48.29 | an0 | if /home/test2 has the group write permission enabled, i can't log in as the user chrooted to /mnt/test1 |
| 21:48.31 | Iridos | alfplayer, that stuff already is logged to /var/log/messages, usually... |
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| 21:49.15 | songmachine | now... how to clean /usr? its 82.1%.....full |
| 21:49.36 | an0 | closest i can come is /mnt/test1 and /home/test2 (bound using mount -B) both owned by root:root and set to 755 permissions, then I can log in as the chrooted user, and read but not write to /mnt/test1 |
| 21:49.50 | amphi | songmachine: uninstall some packages? |
| 21:49.52 | alfplayer | yes, i'd like to have a list of all devices that were connected with their serial numbers |
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| 21:50.33 | Iridos | lsusb + lspci? |
| 21:50.33 | PerfDave | songmachine: Do you know what's taking up the space in there? |
| 21:50.35 | songmachine | what kind of packages? |
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| 21:50.50 | PerfDave | alfplayer: I think udev is probably the way to go for you |
| 21:51.02 | PerfDave | songmachine: No, what files |
| 21:51.04 | songmachine | yes..... share and lib |
| 21:51.13 | tharkun | PerfDave: how can i make xrandr change the size of the monitor it is using, i have a 4mm x error and an 8mm y error making fixed fonts render unreadable, any ideas? |
| 21:51.20 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 21:51.28 | seb82 | wot did I do wrong? vnc won't take keyboard input but just drops in the terminal in which I started it in... |
| 21:51.40 | alfplayer | yes, i think the solution would need to use udev |
| 21:52.13 | PerfDave | songmachine: You'll have to keep drilling down with du and see what directories are the big ones, then see what puts files in those directories. I can't help more I'm afraid, it's my bedtime. |
| 21:52.41 | seb82 | PerfDave night night |
| 21:52.56 | songmachine | i see..... but what files to delete? |
| 21:53.11 | jelly-home | tharkun: you could force xrandr --dpi |
| 21:53.12 | alfplayer | i don't think you can get serial numbers with lsusb or lspci |
| 21:53.51 | songmachine | may be show screenshot? |
| 21:53.53 | tharkun | jelly-home: would that affect both axis? |
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| 21:55.19 | fragrant | what's the equivalent command for httpd -S on debian ? |
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| 21:55.39 | an0 | I'm trying to give a user write access to the dir they are chrooted to via sftp, by chrooting them to a bound mount point for that directory (if that makes sense). Anyone good with this kind of thing? |
| 21:55.46 | jelly-home | tharkun: it ought to. I never used xrandr to force it, did it in X command line instead, before there was xrandr |
| 21:55.59 | prakas | debian latest doesnt use gnome 3 right? |
| 21:56.00 | jelly-home | fragrant: apache2ctl -S |
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| 21:57.03 | Iridos | alfplayer, hdparm -I give them for a lot of disks (about non-scsi)... dunno what exactly is in all the output from hwinfo or lshw |
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| 21:57.51 | prakas | latest debian doesnt use gnome 3 right? |
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| 21:59.04 | seb82 | gnome 3 is still in testing... |
| 21:59.13 | seb82 | or even sid |
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| 22:00.35 | alfplayer | i think the main issue is identifying when a device is really new, it would need to keep a little database |
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| 22:07.16 | songmachine | in /usr/share and /usr/lib what can be delete? |
| 22:07.48 | Iridos | you shouldn't delete any of those files... remove packages with aptitude that you don't need anymore |
| 22:07.49 | prakas | gnome 3 is shit |
| 22:12.03 | prakas | just wondering if absolute paths like /home/dir/1.png as Icon in .desktop files should work? |
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| 22:14.30 | Iridos | tias |
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| 22:17.24 | seb82 | im off night night |
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| 22:25.29 | vahni | i see in gnome-settings->appearance which fonts i am using. how can i know to which X-fonts this translates, as i want to use the same fonts as in gnome also in xterm? |
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| 22:29.30 | tharkun | jelly-home: did xrandr --output VGA1 --fbmm 304x228 and I got totally ignored, no output or anything else re-running xrandr gave the dreaded previous size :( |
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| 22:34.09 | nutron | debian etch, what do I set my sources to install some programs (I have to go back in time in order to compile a program) :s |
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| 22:34.59 | Iridos | !snapshot |
| 22:35.00 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 22:35.35 | Iridos | etch sources.list |
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| 22:35.40 | Iridos | dpkg, etch sources.list |
| 22:35.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 22:35.46 | nutron | Iridos: I asked for the archive, I found it. |
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| 22:36.42 | tharkun | What major league differences are introduced on Squeeze X system? |
| 22:37.15 | abrotman | isn't that where modular X started ? |
| 22:37.17 | abrotman | or was that lenny? |
| 22:37.40 | Iridos | methinks lenny |
| 22:37.51 | Iridos | autodetection... no xorg.conf |
| 22:38.53 | Iridos | judd, versions xserver-xorg-video-cirrus |
| 22:38.56 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-cirrus on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.2.1-1.lenny1; squeeze: 1:1.3.2-2+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:1.3.2-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.3.2-4+b1; sid: 1:1.3.2-4+b2 |
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| 22:39.32 | themill | abrotman: etch, even. |
| 22:39.50 | abrotman | no way ... |
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| 22:40.51 | themill | yeah, gravity did the transition to modular xorg in 2006. |
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| 22:45.08 | tharkun | Gentlemen could we focus, the problem is lenny finds the size to be 304x228 and squeeze just sees 300x200 and it makes the "fixed font" unreadable on the screen |
| 22:45.18 | tharkun | for the same monitor |
| 22:45.47 | tharkun | fwiw only difference on both systems is the version of debian. Twin hw |
| 22:46.42 | tharkun | Where can i put the size of the monitor so X can read it and get rid of this stupid problem? |
| 22:46.55 | tharkun | It used to be xorg iirc |
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| 22:50.23 | Iridos | was the question about remote access to X via ssh already on that problem? |
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| 22:51.14 | tharkun | Iridos: that was solve, that is how i found out about the problem :D |
| 22:51.58 | tharkun | s/solve/solved |
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| 22:52.22 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: xorg's been modular since at least lenny. I didn't install X in etch, but other distros had modular xorg by then. |
| 22:53.05 | Iridos | also, 304x228 what |
| 22:53.12 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: squeeze does have a different version. |
| 22:53.32 | Iridos | oh, too tired anyway |
| 22:55.01 | Dulak | tharkun: in xorg.conf, in the "Monitor" section: DisplaySize 304 228 |
| 22:55.28 | Iridos | or just copy over the whole xorg.conf from the other machine and see what that gets you :-P |
| 22:55.57 | Iridos | actually... |
| 22:56.25 | Iridos | shouldn't apt-get -b source sidpackage on squeeze add a changelog entry automatically? |
| 22:56.36 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I think squeeze was the first one not to create an xorg.conf by default. |
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| 22:56.47 | Iridos | I said that! |
| 22:57.12 | Iridos | but anyway, he was just asking gerealized questions on a specific problem |
| 22:57.21 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, allergies are after my eyes. |
| 22:58.15 | Iridos | I feel with you |
| 22:58.25 | Iridos | it can help to kick the cat out of the apartment |
| 22:58.27 | themill | Iridos: no, that literally just recompiles it. |
| 22:58.56 | Iridos | themill, so when is that useful? |
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| 22:59.34 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: see themill .. you're way late |
| 22:59.50 | themill | abrotman: 15min lag is about normal.... |
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| 23:00.12 | Iridos | note timezones! |
| 23:00.12 | Dulak | Iridos: you use that in combo with passing it other options for compile-time. Say if the default package disables a feature you need, you can recompile it with the option enabled. |
| 23:00.17 | themill | Iridos: it's only convention to update the version number; apt will cope just fine if you don't. |
| 23:00.20 | kusanagi_ | i have an interface automaticallY created that i dont want, virbr0. Its created automaticallY everYtime i reboot, but i dont know where... i remove kvm* and qemu* but its still there |
| 23:00.50 | kusanagi_ | I shut it down manuallY with brctl but its still there everYtime i reboot |
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| 23:01.34 | Iridos | Dulak, if you just recompile a package that is in the repo you use anyway, though, the next action apt does on any upgrade, is to install the package of the same version from the repo |
| 23:02.02 | Dulak | Iridos: yes, I use a pin to prevent that on the 2 packages I had to recompile |
| 23:02.51 | Iridos | Dulak, or put a custom version number... |
| 23:02.59 | Dulak | Iridos: that works too |
| 23:03.31 | Iridos | Dulak, seems messy to pin to my eye |
| 23:03.55 | Iridos | themill, ok, admittedly probably works ok for backports when no alternatives are available |
| 23:04.07 | themill | Iridos: if you're backporting, you don't have sid in your sources.list so apt won't toss out the local version. |
| 23:04.12 | themill | yep. |
| 23:04.40 | themill | It may also work with buildflags some day. (optimising/hardening flags for the compiler) |
| 23:05.20 | Iridos | well, I actually do, so I can look up things in testing as well |
| 23:05.31 | Iridos | but fairysnuff |
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| 23:06.17 | leo-unglaub | hey, how can i use /usr/bin/logger to log in a different file that /var/log/syslog? |
| 23:08.13 | Dulak | leo-unglaub: use an obscure priority, edit your syslog config to put that priority in it's own file |
| 23:08.54 | tharkun | Dulak, jhutchins_lt, Iridos: Thanks a lot for your help, I am a bit lost, since X normaly behaves fine when using nvidia (the cards i usually have on my laptops) |
| 23:09.02 | leo-unglaub | okay, thanks. What qould you use as "obscure"? |
| 23:09.35 | leo-unglaub | local6.info? |
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| 23:15.00 | dashs | In the initscript what is the output file associated with log_daemon_msg ? |
| 23:15.14 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: different models do behave differently. |
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| 23:16.30 | Dulak | leo-unglaub: any of the local facilities would be fine, they are there for custom logging after all |
| 23:16.58 | leo-unglaub | Dulak: okay, thank you ! |
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| 23:21.59 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 23:30.02 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: twin hw should, even same invoice. What puzzles me most is the fact that lenny performs better at finding the right resolution than squeeze :( |
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