| 00:01.12 | gnarface | Arafangion: no news there. i'm asking in #nvclock right now but they all seem to be afk. |
| 00:01.14 | ksx4system | how do i force using specified driver and to allow specified resolution for xorg? |
| 00:01.51 | gnarface | ksx4system: some drivers have hard limits (nvidia binary gunk drivers will absolutely not go below 640x480 under any circumstances) but what you want to look for is how to generate a "modeline" |
| 00:02.05 | karlpinc | ksx4system: You write an xorg.conf file. |
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| 00:02.24 | Arafangion | Or use xrandr |
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| 00:02.36 | ksx4system | gnarface: something got fucked up with intel integrated graphics driver. i can't go 1024x600 (it used to work like this, now it's only 800x600) |
| 00:02.49 | gnarface | ksx4system: yea, what karlpinc said. make a custon xorg.conf file and drop in a custom modeline. that's how i get bizarre widescreen resolutions to work properly on my projector |
| 00:03.13 | ksx4system | Arafangion: arandr tool shows 800x600 only too |
| 00:03.44 | ksx4system | gnarface: i have no idea how to make this file, really. is there any tool which makes it automatically? |
| 00:04.33 | karlpinc | !xorg config squeeze |
| 00:04.33 | dpkg | From lenny onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration". If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 00:04.37 | gnarface | ksx4system: yea there are a few. nvidia's official installer makes one for you, and i think for x11 natively you can just run Xorg -configure or X -configure or something like that |
| 00:05.18 | gnarface | ksx4system: but in my experience if you're using CRT's or weird stuff (like projectors or certain HD TVs) you will need to hand-tweak the file afterwards using information from the man page of your specific video card driver |
| 00:05.42 | gnarface | ksx4system: a modeline looks like this: ModeLine "1280x720" 74.52 1280 1312 1368 1676 720 724 730 750 +hsync +vsync |
| 00:06.05 | gnarface | ksx4system: (that one is for getting the native resolution of a panasonic ae900u lcd projector) |
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| 00:11.45 | gnarface | ksx4system: further advice to you: once you generate one and tweak it out with manual optimizations so its perfect, KEEP A BACKUP |
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| 00:15.43 | owen1 | i constantly need to type my ssh passphrase. how to tell debian to store it somewhere? |
| 00:16.08 | gnarface | owen1: man ssh-agent |
| 00:16.17 | owen1 | gnarface: thanks |
| 00:16.26 | ksx4system | gnarface: of course X -configure does not work. displays some stupid error that X already workd |
| 00:16.28 | ksx4system | works * |
| 00:16.44 | ksx4system | of course when i try to kill it gdm pops in |
| 00:17.08 | gnarface | ksx4system: oh you might have to be not running x11 at all, which includes gdm. kill gdm first |
| 00:18.14 | ksx4system | gnarface: killall gdm from root = complete freeze, i can't do anything (no cursor, keyboard does nothing) |
| 00:19.11 | ksx4system | gnarface: of course I tried ctrl+alt+Fnumber/alt+Fnumber, it does nothing |
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| 00:19.39 | ksx4system | and yes, ctrl+alt+del does nothing too |
| 00:19.56 | gnarface | ksx4system: ctrl-alt-f2 really doesn't give you a virtual terminal? hmm. |
| 00:20.11 | ksx4system | it does nothing, total freeze |
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| 00:20.53 | gnarface | ok how about this |
| 00:20.56 | gnarface | 1) log in |
| 00:21.01 | ksx4system | gnarface: can I do it from mainterance mode? i run single user mode |
| 00:21.02 | gnarface | 2) get a terminal open and su to root |
| 00:21.19 | gnarface | 3) run: update-rc.d gdm disable |
| 00:21.32 | gnarface | 4) reboot (it should come up to a virtual terminal, X11 should no longer start by default) |
| 00:22.15 | gnarface | you can log in there and make your changes and then easily re-enable gdm by running: update-rc.d gdm enable |
| 00:22.23 | gnarface | (and then reboot) |
| 00:22.39 | gnarface | the reboots aren't strictly necessary, i'm just trying to reduce the amount of potential roadblocks for you |
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| 00:23.03 | ksx4system | gnarface: thanks :) i'm trying it out now |
| 00:23.17 | gnarface | something in some version had blocked the ctrl-alt-* hotkeys by default now. i know you can re-enable them but i forget how |
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| 00:25.39 | ksx4system | gnarface: lol wtf, X -configure gives me "FATAL: Module i915 not found" |
| 00:26.02 | ksx4system | i didn't remove anything like this while compiling my kernel |
| 00:26.09 | ksx4system | and i didn't do anything with xorg |
| 00:26.34 | gnarface | ksx4system: nonetheless something appears to be missing |
| 00:26.46 | gnarface | ksx4system: had you compiled xorg by hand too? |
| 00:26.57 | ksx4system | no, it's stock Debian squeeze one |
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| 00:27.18 | gnarface | ksx4system: pastebin us the output of: dpkg -l |grep xorg |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | oh i know .. maybe you shouldn't bev compiling your own kernel .. hrm |
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| 00:27.58 | gnarface | abrotman: that's not a kernel module though its an xorg one... isn't it? |
| 00:28.27 | ksx4system | it will be hard since wifi doesn't work too |
| 00:28.57 | gnarface | ksx4system: just make sure xserver-xorg-video-intel shows up in the list |
| 00:29.53 | ksx4system | it shows up of course |
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| 00:30.38 | gnarface | ksx4system: abrotman brings up a decent possibility though. reboot to one of the stock kernels and see if the behavior changes. you didn't delete them all after you compiled your own, right? |
| 00:30.47 | abrotman | :/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686$ find . -name i915 |
| 00:30.47 | abrotman | ./kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915 |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | you sure that's not a kernle module? |
| 00:31.37 | gnarface | abrotman: come on man, i said "isn't it?" because clearly i wasn't sure. don't pick a fight with me today |
| 00:31.40 | ksx4system | gnarface: i used different box (faster, virtual machine on my main box) to compile and i didn't deleted stock one |
| 00:31.49 | gnarface | abrotman: i don't use those fucking cards so i don't know |
| 00:31.55 | ksx4system | on 2.6.32 wi-fi and graphics work properly |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | gnarface: to be fair, you could have checked the same way :) |
| 00:32.46 | gnarface | abrotman: yes, that is fair, i'm lazy. touche |
| 00:32.49 | jhutchins_lt | The message from X should be about the xorg driver/module. |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | no |
| 00:33.10 | gnarface | if he compiled his kernel without dri or something couldn't it be failing to load? |
| 00:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | If the kernel module isn't loaded, the message says something about framebuffer not found. |
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| 00:33.33 | jhutchins_lt | (Had this wth the i810) |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | does that mocule even exist for him ? |
| 00:33.39 | abrotman | module |
| 00:33.40 | ksx4system | abrotman: well... it looks like i don't have i915 module, i don't know why since kernel .config was based on Debian's one |
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| 00:33.57 | abrotman | ksx4system: on a hunch .. you've been removing stuff ... |
| 00:33.57 | thepro4ever | help iceweasel doesn't work with yahoo or hotmail mail anymore |
| 00:34.02 | gnarface | ksx4system: :-/ debian kernels != vanilla kernels |
| 00:34.03 | thepro4ever | WHAT DO I DO! |
| 00:34.14 | gnarface | haha thepro4ever i love you man |
| 00:34.35 | thepro4ever | gnarface: now is not the time for joking, now is the time for heros to take action |
| 00:34.47 | gnarface | thepro4ever: try gmail instead |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell thepro4ever about mdn |
| 00:34.52 | thepro4ever | although i can believe that you would love me |
| 00:34.55 | ksx4system | gnarface: it wasn't vanilla ;) patched with brainfuck scheduler (from Con Kolivas) and tuxonice |
| 00:34.55 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: Find out from Yahoo or Microsoft what you have to do. |
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| 00:35.33 | thepro4ever | i installed firefox and they do work with firefox |
| 00:35.47 | thepro4ever | however my back button doesn't work with firefox and it does in ice weasel |
| 00:36.02 | gnarface | gmail ftw |
| 00:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: Same versions? |
| 00:36.13 | thepro4ever | i am at an empass where i need both the my back button and yahoo browser functionality working with one browser client |
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| 00:36.37 | thepro4ever | jhutchins_lt: i just downloaded firefox 6 recently |
| 00:37.06 | thepro4ever | jhutchins_lt: i can check yahoo doesn't block my new firefox browser client but it does block ice weasel |
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| 00:40.29 | abrotman | or just ignore me ... |
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| 00:45.46 | Amarande | isn't there a setting in iceweasel where you can set it to report itself as being Firefox? |
| 00:45.59 | Amarande | I know there has been in the past |
| 00:46.10 | jhutchins_lt | thepro4ever: If it's a version number, |
| 00:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | !tell thepro4ever about mdn |
| 00:46.23 | Dulak | You can get a user agent add-on and set it to report as anything you like. |
| 00:46.36 | thepro4ever | abrotman: you saying i have to manually download the package from that website ? |
| 00:46.48 | abrotman | i'm saying to read the website |
| 00:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | And yes, you can duplicate the info that the browser sends to the host. THere are even add-ons to make it easy to change. |
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| 00:47.47 | Amarande | jhutchins_lt: the problem is that some sites check to see if the user is running a compatible browser, and don't understand that iceweasel and firefox are functionally identical ... probably because iceweasel is, by the numbers, such a rarity |
| 00:48.27 | thepro4ever | abrotman: is it safe to add squeeze-backports when i use debian lenny? |
| 00:48.41 | Amarande | Even most Linux distros use stock Firefox ... pretty sure iceweasel is only used by Debian and maybe a tiny handful of others, none of them as major as Debian? |
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| 00:49.17 | abrotman | thepro4ever: why would you still be using lenny? |
| 00:49.34 | thepro4ever | why would i not |
| 00:49.40 | thepro4ever | i've been developing on it for months now |
| 00:49.49 | thepro4ever | all my stuff is on this box |
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| 00:52.44 | Mneumonic | Hi I have a question about debian |
| 00:52.53 | Mneumonic | Is it possible to do a debian netinstall for the testing branch? |
| 00:53.19 | Mneumonic | I prefer debian testing and am wanting to do a straight debian netinstall |
| 00:53.22 | thepro4ever | I FIXED IT!!! I got mad skillzzz |
| 00:53.24 | Amarande | yes, stable and testing both have netinst available. it's sid that doesn't. |
| 00:53.39 | Mneumonic | I would assume that sid wouldn't be good to run as a main OS |
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| 00:54.55 | Mneumonic | could someone give me a link to the testing netinstall |
| 00:55.51 | Amarande | Yeah, if you want to run something that's as bleeding edge as sid, you might want to look at Ubuntu. From what I understand, Ubuntu is pretty much sid sanitised to be functional without making people want to tear hair out |
| 00:56.18 | Mneumonic | whats the difference between the small cd and the smaller cd |
| 00:57.06 | Amarande | ehhh, not much, the smaller cd is pretty much only really notable if you are using business card sized CDs |
| 00:57.12 | paijem-cantik | i think, debian sid pretty stable for me :d |
| 00:57.17 | Mneumonic | so just get the small one? |
| 00:57.34 | Amarande | just get the regular netinst one, yeah |
| 00:57.54 | Mneumonic | i see small, smaller, tiny cd, and network boot |
| 00:57.59 | Mneumonic | i assume the regular is the small |
| 00:58.08 | Amarande | and a lot of people can't burn the business card CDs anyway, because they can only safely be burned in some burners, and even then, most likely only if your computer is placed so that the drives are horizontal |
| 00:58.08 | abrotman | small and smaller? |
| 00:58.08 | abrotman | don't use the business -card |
| 00:58.08 | abrotman | lkjlkjas;ldmneuuse the netinst |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | jesus .. lag |
| 00:58.46 | Amarande | myself, I tend to end up wasting a full DVD blank on netinst images anyway heh |
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| 00:59.09 | Mneumonic | can someone give me a link to the testing netinstall |
| 00:59.11 | Mneumonic | i only see the stable |
| 00:59.50 | gnarface | Amarande: ahem. you can burn the businesscard iso on a regular sized cd. also... fyi.. optical media *does* come in RE-WRITABLE format... |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | Mneumonic: use tstable, upgrade from there |
| 01:00.28 | gnarface | these days you can usually just drop the squeeze installer on a usb key though. that's much better if your machine's bios can boot from usb |
| 01:00.49 | gnarface | why in the hell they don't make a bigger deal of advertizing that feature on debian.org is completely lost on me |
| 01:00.50 | Mneumonic | so install from stable and then when i'm fully installed and boot into my OS just switch the repos and do an update? |
| 01:00.52 | gnarface | its a big deal |
| 01:01.53 | abrotman | Mneumonic: if you're going to run sid, you shouldn't have to ask us how to install it .. have fun! |
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| 01:02.11 | Mneumonic | I want to run testing |
| 01:02.18 | abrotman | same thing .. |
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| 01:02.44 | abrotman | if you don't know how, you probably shouldn't |
| 01:03.17 | Mneumonic | I was just asking for reassurance |
| 01:03.17 | Amarande | gnarface: yeah, generally speaking, it's more of an economic matter than anything else, primarily spurred by the fact that DVD+R media has become so cheap in recent years |
| 01:03.41 | Amarande | these days, DVD+R is so cheap that there's really not much reason to buy other writable optical media anymore |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | Mneumonic: try it .. see how it goes .. it's a learning experience .. have fun! |
| 01:04.04 | Amarande | well, except CD-R, but that only if you actually burn audio discs regularly. |
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| 01:17.49 | ksx4system | gnarface: i was so fuckin' stupid... cutting i8xx support out cuts i9xx too afaics... |
| 01:18.16 | ksx4system | i'll start building 3rd revision of my kernel in few minutes |
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| 01:18.49 | gnarface | ksx4system: happens to the best of us |
| 01:18.58 | dvs | has been there many times |
| 01:19.21 | dvs | localyesmod helps a lot though. |
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| 01:24.38 | Amarande | heh, I still remember the olden days when I used Slackware and manually building pretty much everything after the base system install was the rule of the day |
| 01:24.58 | ksx4system | gnarface: super light kernel compiles now. should work with this closed source shit from broadcom and i915 |
| 01:25.03 | ksx4system | thanks for help y'all! |
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| 01:25.20 | Amarande | (this was like, slack 3.x or 4.x days when I'm not even sure it HAD an update system, haven't used it since so I don't know if Volkerding ever got the idea that a distro needed one ...) |
| 01:25.26 | abrotman | eh .. i915 isn't closed ... |
| 01:25.28 | Amarande | and almost every time I built a kernel, the first time I would forget something. |
| 01:26.05 | ksx4system | abrotman: "closed source shit" was about broadcom sta driver for bcm4313 |
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| 01:27.06 | gnarface | hell i still have to rebuild anything to make any use out of centos/redhat boxes. their packages are so lame. |
| 01:27.11 | gnarface | debian ftw |
| 01:27.33 | ksx4system | lol, centos is trashy |
| 01:27.53 | ksx4system | debian stable uber alles |
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| 01:29.42 | fabiobik | hi |
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| 01:29.59 | fabiobik | how to enable java in internet browsers? |
| 01:30.29 | fabiobik | i have jre installed |
| 01:30.44 | benedikt | i'm not running a screensaver but my monitor is blanked if keyboard/mouse aren't used in 15 or so minutes. what else triggers this usually besides screensavers? |
| 01:31.05 | gnarface | benedikt: dpms or something like that. it can be bios-level in some cases |
| 01:31.52 | somiaj | benedikt: x has a built in screen saver and/or uses dpms. you can disable them with xset or change the config file. |
| 01:32.51 | benedikt | dpms is a standard so the "built in" screensaver must be triggering this. |
| 01:33.01 | benedikt | goes off to read `man xset` |
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| 01:35.08 | dvs | fabiobik: depends what jre you have installed |
| 01:36.45 | somiaj | benedikt: 'xset s off' |
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| 01:36.56 | fabiobik | dvs humm let me check |
| 01:37.28 | fabiobik | dvs Exec=/usr/bin/chromium-browser --enable-plugins --enable-user-scripts --enable-extensions |
| 01:37.29 | fabiobik | ups |
| 01:38.14 | fabiobik | dvs OpenJDK java 6 runtime |
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| 01:38.52 | Amarande | !tell rook2pawn about root |
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| 01:45.04 | xp | which sentence is correct? "what makes For good writing" or "what makes good writing"? |
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| 01:45.42 | Ziber | xp: neither. |
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| 01:46.01 | xp | Ziber, then, hte right one? |
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| 01:46.30 | Ziber | xp: No, neither is correct. |
| 01:46.58 | xp | Ziber, tell me the correct way of saying it. |
| 01:47.51 | fabiobik | dvs you're the man |
| 01:47.53 | fabiobik | thank you |
| 01:47.54 | fabiobik | ! |
| 01:47.58 | dvs | np |
| 01:48.06 | NSQ | hello, i have a really weird problem. apt-get install apa[double-tab] or apt-get install proft[tab] is not working, so i know, i just need to uncomment the lines in /etc/bash.bashrc (worked for me last couple times). so i logged out and in again, not working, i even restarted .. google is telling me to just uncomment the lines too ... |
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| 01:49.05 | Ziber | xp: "What makes for good writing?". |
| 01:49.34 | Ziber | xp: I dont like the word "makes", in that, though. "What are some key elements that result in good writing?", maybe. |
| 01:51.01 | NSQ | http://pastebin.com/M1Sf2ZRt, i really dont know why it's not working, anybody had the same problem? |
| 01:51.22 | NSQ | * http://pastebin.com/M1Sf2ZRt , sorry. |
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| 01:55.08 | abrotman | NSQ: what is that supposed to show us? |
| 01:55.39 | xp | Ziber, thank you. But the sentence you gave it long. |
| 01:55.39 | xp | how to make it concise and express the same meaning? |
| 01:56.26 | NSQ | abrotman, that is what google and everything telled me to uncomment to get tab-completion working in 'interactive shells', apt-get install apa[double tab] for example. |
| 01:56.39 | NSQ | sorry for my bad english, i hope you understand. |
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| 01:57.44 | abrotman | NSQ: did you look in that file? which version of Debian is this? |
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| 02:00.01 | NSQ | abrotman, i have debian squeeze on an vps, i removed the '#' with vi doing vi /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 02:00.24 | karlpinc | NSQ: What does "echo $SHELL" say? |
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| 02:01.50 | NSQ | karlpinc, it says: "/bin/bash" |
| 02:02.38 | karlpinc | NSQ: Well, that's not the problem then. |
| 02:03.32 | NSQ | karlpinc, i really dont understand it, this is a fresh minimal install of debian, that was the first thing i've changed, and it worked before this way on my vps i had before with the same debian version .. |
| 02:04.08 | karlpinc | NSQ: Maybe it's the keymap and bash is not seeing a tab. (Sounds strange, but that's all I can think of.) |
| 02:04.49 | NSQ | karlpinc, well .. for example, /et[tab] is working, its completion to "etc" |
| 02:05.12 | jetscreamer | i forget, don't you edit .bashrc? been years, mine 'just works |
| 02:05.13 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 02:06.54 | karlpinc | NSQ: Bash isn't going to complete commands for you. It knows only about the filesystem. It'll complete filenames and paths, either as commands or arguments, but won't complete anything else. |
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| 02:07.38 | NSQ | karlpinc, im pretty sure there is a way to enable to get autocomplete for apt-get install first-few-letters[tab], i had that perfectly running before |
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| 02:08.15 | karlpinc | NSQ: The dpkg bot says that axi-cache will do some sort of completion on package names, but nothing else that I know of. |
| 02:08.22 | NSQ | karlpinc, http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-add-bash-completion-in-debian, if you may look |
| 02:08.33 | NSQ | example at the bottom |
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| 02:09.24 | un214 | <TAB> |
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| 02:10.20 | NSQ | i cant live without it, i do it on my ubuntu client machine here all the time :/ |
| 02:10.28 | karlpinc | NSQ: So, do you have the bash-completion package installed? |
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| 02:12.06 | NSQ | karlpinc, yes |
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| 02:13.21 | NSQ | karlpinc, nevermind. it's working now .. the strange thing about it: i done the changes, rebooted .. it didnt worked .. no i rebooted a second time (without changing anything), and it's working .. weird! |
| 02:13.36 | NSQ | why do i had to reboot 2 times, wow ... |
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| 02:14.02 | NSQ | no=now |
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| 02:15.26 | jhutchins_lt | NSQ: Because a lot of stuff configures itself automatically, that's not really a surprize these days. One thing sets it'self up, but the next thing isn't ready yet. Reboot, it all loads in order. |
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| 02:18.34 | abrotman | NSQ: did you logout/login ? |
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| 02:21.19 | UMT-Jose | TIRED OF NIGGERS? |
| 02:21.23 | UMT-Jose | SICK OF THEIR MONKEYSHINES? |
| 02:21.26 | UMT-Jose | WE ARE TOO! |
| 02:21.28 | NSQ | abrotman, i did, i even restarted after i realized its not working .. after restarting, it didnt work .. then i restarted a second time > working .. weird huh? |
| 02:21.30 | UMT-Jose | JOIN CHIMPOUT FORUM! |
| 02:21.34 | UMT-Jose | HTTP://WWW.CHIMPOU.COM/FORUM |
| 02:21.42 | UMT-Jose | AT CHIMPOUT WE ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS! |
| 02:21.47 | UMT-Jose | I MYSELF AM A MEXICAN! |
| 02:21.57 | delarge | wtf |
| 02:22.00 | UMT-Jose | BASICALLY, IF YOU ARE NOT A NIGGER AND YOU HATE NIGGERS, WE WELCOME YOU WITH OPEN ARMS! |
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| 02:22.19 | NSQ | well, this was weird. |
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| 02:22.43 | abrotman | please ignore it |
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| 02:23.32 | Hydroxide | they spam freenode and oftc periodically. on OFTC where I'm staff I'd have klined him. I've told freenode staff already |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | has no problems banning that whole web client |
| 02:24.11 | Hydroxide | indeed |
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| 02:34.28 | ksx4system | gnarface, abrotman: fuck yeah, it works :) just two selections were wrong |
| 02:34.48 | gnarface | ksx4system: hooraaay! |
| 02:35.26 | gnarface | ksx4system: now the ultimate trial: what is your quake 1 framerate? |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | the third time ... |
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| 02:36.04 | ksx4system | gnarface: wait... q1 runs on Linux?! |
| 02:36.17 | nsadmin | of course |
| 02:36.29 | gnarface | ksx4system: q1-4, doom1-3 and enemy territory: quake wars *all* run natively in linux |
| 02:36.53 | nsadmin | because linus gives you a woody |
| 02:37.07 | gnarface | hell yes |
| 02:37.16 | jetscreamer | id runs on linux |
| 02:37.23 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 02:37.32 | bolt | unreal tournament does too |
| 02:37.40 | gnarface | although getting voip running through them in alsa requires advanced alsa knowledge in most cases it is also possible |
| 02:37.42 | bolt | at least the first one |
| 02:37.44 | nsadmin | plus castle wolfenstein and return thereto |
| 02:37.59 | gnarface | bolt: i believe ut2003 and ut2004 had native linux too |
| 02:38.02 | nsadmin | and unreal |
| 02:38.19 | nsadmin | or does it? |
| 02:38.34 | gnarface | additionally planescape: torment had a linux binary drop in despite not having a native linux installer |
| 02:38.46 | gnarface | there are a few examples of that |
| 02:39.05 | nsadmin | neverwinter nights client and (eventually) server |
| 02:39.18 | gnarface | yea, those too. |
| 02:39.28 | gnarface | i wonder why they never did it for the original baldur's gate though |
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| 02:39.33 | nsadmin | err s/linus/linux/ :P |
| 02:40.21 | Amarande | I'm not sure you'd want to run Doom 3 on Linux, though |
| 02:40.41 | Amarande | Doom 3 uses PunkBuster. If you've ever read the EULA for PunkBuster, it will make anyone with any sense of system security at all quail. |
| 02:40.42 | gnarface | even most the half-life2 based servers run natively in linux (hl2, left4dead, team fortress 2) but you still have to tweak the crap out of wine to get the steam client running |
| 02:41.21 | Amarande | Indeed, the fact that the EULA specifically announces that that's what it actually *can do* is probably the only thing keeping it from being universally classified as out and out malware. |
| 02:41.21 | gnarface | Amarande: yea but most the good servers for all those games require punkbuster these days, unfortunately its the closest thing to "security" ever to hit the FPS genre |
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| 02:42.01 | Amarande | Even Balance tries to make people believe that without something as invasive as PunkBuster, omg the entire game industry might collapse permanently |
| 02:42.10 | Amarande | or so it seems, at least |
| 02:42.24 | gnarface | well it would help if game developers gave a flying rat's ass about security, which they generally don't. |
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| 02:42.39 | gnarface | run your game servers in a virtual machine, IMO |
| 02:42.55 | ksx4system | goes away to fight with stupid broadcom wi-fi driver |
| 02:43.16 | Amarande | It's really not the security of the servers themselves that is the issue, far as I'm aware. It's cheating tools being run on the client. |
| 02:43.26 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:43.27 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:43.38 | gnarface | doh, its the fuzz! everyone run! |
| 02:43.48 | gnarface | ducks and covers behind the bushes |
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| 02:52.58 | jetscreamer | channel nazi |
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| 02:53.34 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law |
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| 02:55.14 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect |
| 02:55.41 | OldParr | how do i log in as root when booting from debian-live-6.0.2-amd64-rescue.iso ?, i tried su - but it asks for a a password ( i do not have any password because is a live image ... |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | you don't have to stay ... |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | OldParr: sudo su ? |
| 02:56.02 | jetscreamer | sudo su |
| 02:56.21 | OldParr | sudo su ? let me try that |
| 02:56.53 | Driver | or sudo bash |
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| 03:10.02 | hideo | hi guys, someone unrelated question, does ff throw up a "connection is trusted" error when you go to https://www.kernel.org ? |
| 03:10.47 | hideo | if so, is this related to the kernel.org site hacking or the latest ssl debacle? |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | you mean iceweasel ? |
| 03:10.52 | junagu | is there a linux app that can handle the One Note Microsoft files? Can anyone direct me to a channel where I might get further help with this? (a channel dedicated to open source solutions to proprietry software compatibility?) |
| 03:11.20 | hideo | abrotman: i use ff, yes it's not in debian, that's why it's kinda unrelated |
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| 03:11.31 | abrotman | so why ask #debian ? |
| 03:11.48 | hideo | ok then |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | hideo: and why use https |
| 03:12.35 | hideo | it doesn't matter since it's not related to debian |
| 03:13.09 | abrotman | junagu: open the files, not sure .. but there are similar tools |
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| 03:18.36 | jetscreamer | junagu: http://www.google.com/search?q=one+note+linux&restrict=linux |
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| 03:20.24 | jetscreamer | !evernote |
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| 03:28.12 | karlpinc | jetscreamer: If you can get it into evernote I think that zotero will read it. |
| 03:28.38 | jetscreamer | i'm not the one who wants it |
| 03:28.47 | karlpinc | jetscreamer: Yah. Oops. |
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| 03:30.32 | Crisco | has anyone used debian live with persistence before? |
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| 03:32.39 | roe | Is there a way I can figure out if/when a package in sid/wheezy will hit backports? |
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| 03:43.58 | somiaj | roe: there is no rule...it depends if someone decides to backport them and they try to get most major software. Which package are you hoping for? |
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| 03:44.23 | somiaj | roe: also depends on the difficulty to backport |
| 03:44.31 | roe | somiaj, dovecot |
| 03:44.58 | somiaj | roe: why do you want a backport? Is there a feature in the version you don't have or are you wanting a security fix? |
| 03:45.18 | roe | 2.0 is a tremendous rewrite |
| 03:45.28 | somiaj | roe: realize the debian team will fix the known security holes but not backport a newer version. |
| 03:45.37 | somiaj | roe: if you want to take security into your own hands, you can backport it yourself |
| 03:45.41 | roe | yes, this isn't a security issue |
| 03:46.00 | somiaj | roe: /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 03:46.12 | roe | I'm familair with ssbs |
| 03:46.56 | roe | but if it is going to hit backports in a month or 3 I can wait |
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| 03:48.01 | somiaj | it appears that 2.0 hasn't even hit experiemental or sid yet. So there is really no way of knowing. |
| 03:48.16 | somiaj | all I'm seeing is 1.2 and 1.4 versions |
| 03:48.32 | somiaj | oh wait, nevermind that is 1:2.0 (my bad eyesight) |
| 03:48.39 | roe | yea |
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| 03:59.57 | AnxiousNut | I've just switched to debian squeeze from ubuntu. I managed to get everything straightened except for one thing: firefox installation! Is there a way to install REAL firefox (stable/nightly)? |
| 04:00.34 | AnxiousNut | from a repository that is. |
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| 04:01.23 | Rusty1 | /join #firefox, see what they say |
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| 04:03.43 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: I wouldn't trust any package you found out there. But put their binary install in /usr/local is just fine |
| 04:04.35 | thiagoss | Isn't iceweasel just firefox with different names for trademark reasons? |
| 04:04.41 | thiagoss | Even the binary is still called firefox-bin |
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| 04:06.02 | AnxiousNut | No, besides the minor changes, its maturity is way behind firefox (the latest iceweasel that's been released is based on firefox 4) |
| 04:06.21 | somiaj | thiagoss: firefox is a link. It is a rebranding with some stuff taking out (logos, artwork). |
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| 04:07.03 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel |
| 04:07.27 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: 6.0 in sid, 5.0 in testing. Seems they are finished with the rebranding. 7.0 seems to be in experimential |
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| 04:07.42 | thiagoss | I'm using iceweasel 6 |
| 04:07.49 | thiagoss | I assume it is based on firefox 6 |
| 04:08.01 | croddy | google's a mess -- when debconf asks me "N or O: keep your currently installed version", what's the difference between N and O? i want to keep the current version and have it write the .dpkg-new one so i can merge them later. |
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| 04:08.55 | somiaj | croddy: doesn't it say? You can also see the diff of the configs if you want to know the differences when it asks you. |
| 04:09.07 | AnxiousNut | somiaj, is there a way I can get iceweasel 6 or 7 on squeeze? |
| 04:09.40 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: you could backport it yourself, but you will have to compile the sourcecode (or wait for a backport which I don't see) |
| 04:09.46 | croddy | it doesn't clarify. i guess i'll back up its proposed config file by hand. this is a service i don't care about and want to to the merge later, and get on with my dist-ugprade. |
| 04:09.48 | croddy | thanks anywya |
| 04:09.51 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: I'd just go with 6, 7 is probabaly beta or the git feed |
| 04:10.15 | somiaj | croddy: can you put what you see into a pastebin. |
| 04:10.32 | somiaj | croddy: like the full line(s). As I say I recall it tell me what the options are |
| 04:10.59 | AnxiousNut | somiaj, how can I install 6? (BTW, I used to run nightly/trunk when I was on ubuntu) |
| 04:11.14 | croddy | somiaj: if you're curious, http://dpaste.com/610906/ , but i've moved along. |
| 04:12.23 | croddy | N doesn't appear to leave the .dpkg-new version; i'll try O later if it comes up |
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| 04:12.49 | genix | ÷÷wqw/ASLKDFJASDFFDSVCVVVVVQQAFDdD |
| 04:13.37 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: /msg dpkg ssbp (you can backport it yourself) |
| 04:14.13 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: but if you like firefox, putting the binaries from their tar.gz in /usr/local might be easier if you aren't use to compling/building debian pacakegs (or don't want to) |
| 04:15.28 | AnxiousNut | The reason why I want a repository is because i want it to receive updates |
| 04:15.49 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: you don't get updates from backports (unless you or the backporter updates them) |
| 04:16.18 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: Unless someone backports firefox from testing (which is only 5.0 -- the standard source for backports) you are kinda on your own. |
| 04:17.52 | AnxiousNut | ... one question, what would happen if I added firefox ubuntu repository and installed it? |
| 04:18.43 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: you would pull in a bunch of stuff firefox depends on from the ubuntu repos, which will include far newer versions of libc6 along with a crap load of other stuff as well (core libaries) |
| 04:19.03 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: and you will no have a frakenstien install in which will most likely crash and burn a horrific death |
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| 04:19.20 | AnxiousNut | ah, lol |
| 04:19.31 | somiaj | AnxiousNut: and then once the ubuntu packages and debian package start fighting over how the core system is configured...well we just laugh |
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| 04:20.26 | AnxiousNut | I'm downloading the archive. Thanks, anyways. |
| 04:21.12 | somiaj | yea office firefox and putting it into /usr/local is the easiest for people not familar with debian |
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| 04:23.06 | valdyn | AnxiousNut: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 04:24.20 | croddy | running mozilla.com builds from ~/lib/firefox is actually a pretty viable proposition these days. they even have amd64 builds now. |
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| 04:35.21 | pradyumna | how to autostart xcompmgr? |
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| 04:40.04 | bambanx | anyone have a good link for torrent debian for 32 bits? |
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| 04:49.15 | bambanx | anyone canlink me pls debian distro for 32 bits pls |
| 04:49.39 | somiaj | bambanx: why not just grab any one of the cd/usb images from debian.org? |
| 04:50.01 | bambanx | because i am new and in the site its have many link |
| 04:50.08 | bambanx | i dont understand wich is the correct |
| 04:50.12 | bambanx | sorry for my english |
| 04:50.45 | bambanx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.46 | bambanx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.47 | bambanx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.47 | bambanx | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.47 | bambanx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:51.28 | streuner__ | bambanx: www.debian.org on the right side |
| 04:51.34 | bambanx | ok |
| 04:51.46 | streuner__ | bambanx: just get multiarch Debian iso |
| 04:53.52 | somiaj | bambanx: i386 is 32bit |
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| 04:54.09 | bambanx | this http://imageshack.us/f/692/pantallazoph.png/ ? |
| 04:54.56 | streuner__ | yes |
| 04:55.05 | bambanx | ok cool |
| 04:55.06 | bambanx | :P |
| 04:55.28 | bambanx | i am on ubuntu now , and i wanna jump to debian |
| 04:56.25 | streuner__ | why? |
| 04:56.51 | bambanx | i read good things of debian on the net |
| 04:57.01 | bambanx | and ubuntu sometimes crash my graphics |
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| 04:58.39 | bambanx | why you use debian streuner ? |
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| 05:00.47 | streuner__ | bambanx: because iam lazy |
| 05:01.01 | bambanx | lol |
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| 05:02.04 | streuner__ | bambanx: usually you dont need to do much if you have Debian installed *AND* /msg dpkg why Debian |
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| 05:05.00 | bambanx | now i close skype on ubuntu and my sistem freeze for 1 minute :/ |
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| 05:09.29 | Driver | lol. i use debian on old laptop (PM 1GHz\512Ram) and skype worked good! |
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| 05:10.34 | Driver | and i confirm - debian for lazy people =) |
| 05:10.54 | streuner__ | Do you think MS gives a damn about how well skype works on Linux? ;-) |
| 05:11.16 | bambanx | i cannot close skype lol |
| 05:11.20 | semeion | Driver: you don´t know what is old |
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| 05:11.35 | semeion | Driver: i use a old laptor xD |
| 05:11.50 | semeion | laptop * |
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| 05:12.52 | nsadmin | how would I support the webcam on a dell inspiron 15r? |
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| 05:13.12 | streuner__ | find a driver? |
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| 05:13.37 | somiaj | nsadmin: depends on the webcam. many use the video4linux (v4l) tools. |
| 05:13.39 | streuner__ | nsadmin: nothing in linux-laptop.net? |
| 05:14.03 | nsadmin | well how would I show details on the cam? do you think lspci? |
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| 05:14.26 | somiaj | nsadmin: but use lspci/lshw and google, they'll tell you the kernel module, etc you'll need. Some webcams work by default in debian with the v4l tools. |
| 05:14.28 | streuner__ | nsadmin: integraded or USB? |
| 05:14.47 | nsadmin | it's integrated |
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| 05:15.00 | Driver | semeion i use skype on older laptop. its lagging ) |
| 05:15.28 | semeion | Driver: p3 500mhz, 256mb |
| 05:15.31 | bambanx | men i am running on asus g51 |
| 05:15.38 | bambanx | i7 4 gigas ram... |
| 05:15.48 | bambanx | and skype is crashing me |
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| 05:15.59 | nsadmin | and do you have a specific debian question about that for which you need support? |
| 05:16.14 | Driver | 800mhz 256ram :D |
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| 05:16.48 | bambanx | na just i am speaking about why i wanna test debian and quit of ubuntu |
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| 05:16.54 | bambanx | sorry my english is not good |
| 05:17.45 | somiaj | bambanx: what video card. might want to test some debian stable cd's you will find some differences due to software versions and core policys. |
| 05:17.51 | nsadmin | your best bet is if you have some unpartitioned space |
| 05:17.54 | somiaj | bambanx: live-cds I mean. |
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| 05:18.24 | bambanx | i am geforce 360 |
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| 05:18.32 | bambanx | gts 360m |
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| 05:20.16 | nsadmin | so... try debian if that's what you want... a live cd might be a good choice as well |
| 05:21.04 | nsadmin | , versions lshw |
| 05:21.06 | judd | Package lshw on i386 -- lenny: 02.13-2; squeeze: 02.14-1; sid: 02.15-1; wheezy: 02.15-1 |
| 05:21.21 | bambanx | ok |
| 05:21.53 | bambanx | but i am on 65% of the multi version cd |
| 05:22.03 | bambanx | i will install and see what happen : |
| 05:22.04 | bambanx | P |
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| 05:25.50 | pushpop | what command what I use to remove postfix from a machine completely? |
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| 05:27.08 | somiaj | pushpop: apt-get --purge remove postfix (that will even purge the config files, remove that if you don't want to go that far) |
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| 05:28.12 | pushpop | somiaj when I run that it wants to install packages |
| 05:28.15 | bambanx | each how many time debian make new versions ? |
| 05:28.24 | pushpop | and I hit yes to install and it just craps out |
| 05:28.54 | somiaj | pushpop: what pacakges -- you machine likes to have a MTA on it...its probabaly just putting another one there |
| 05:29.02 | pushpop | somiaj http://pastebin.com/Dr6DH1cA |
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| 05:30.00 | somiaj | yea its just install exim, the default mta because many base things want one.... |
| 05:30.33 | pushpop | but postfix remains because it didnt run the remove |
| 05:31.36 | somiaj | yea it tells you to read the man page for Immediate-Configure, an error I don't reconize. I assume you get teh same error if you try to just do apt-get install exim4? |
| 05:31.48 | somiaj | pushpop: maybe try aptitude |
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| 05:36.00 | nsadmin | hmm. lshw doesn't show the cam |
| 05:36.14 | nsadmin | maybe I disabled it in the bios |
| 05:37.30 | Driver | lsusb |
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| 05:38.04 | nsadmin | the usb devices (and partitions and pci) are included in lshw listing |
| 05:39.19 | Driver | integrated webcam in laptop usual connecte via internal usb |
| 05:39.34 | Driver | show lsusb |
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| 05:40.24 | nsadmin | that's what I thought too |
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| 05:42.36 | nsadmin | let me check the bios |
| 05:43.03 | Driver | maybe your cam just unsupported. and not detected |
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| 05:55.38 | bambanx | guys in this mutiversiondistro can i choose if i wanna install 32 bits or 64 bits or its recognize automatically my version and install it? |
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| 05:57.49 | bambanx | this debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 05:58.22 | Driver | netinstall is not multiarch |
| 05:58.40 | Driver | this version 64 bits |
| 05:58.51 | Driver | ow |
| 05:59.05 | bambanx | :( |
| 05:59.06 | Driver | oh shit. its multiarch! |
| 05:59.08 | Driver | :D |
| 05:59.08 | bambanx | i wanna 32 version |
| 05:59.13 | bambanx | is? |
| 05:59.14 | bambanx | cool |
| 05:59.26 | bambanx | my question is i can choose what arch i wnna install? |
| 05:59.34 | Driver | debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:00.01 | Driver | i really don't know. i use singlearch images |
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| 06:00.39 | bambanx | ok i will try now , if am back is because i could :) |
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| 06:00.46 | bambanx | seeya and thanks for your help |
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| 06:07.12 | aussa | can't enable 3D acceleration in virtualbox, I installed the guest additions, and restarted my system...what can I do? |
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| 06:09.04 | jlzhang | How can I setup the interfaces? when the pppoe link connect finshed, the pptp link start to connect? |
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| 06:10.36 | jlzhang | ppoe and pptp links start to connect at same time now. |
| 06:12.05 | jlzhang | I want to pppoe to connected first,when it finshed the pptp start to connect. |
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| 06:14.20 | Driver | aussa 3d in vb is experimental feature |
| 06:14.34 | Driver | jlzhang install pppoeconf |
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| 06:15.14 | aussa | I had it enable before |
| 06:15.14 | aussa | enabled* |
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| 06:17.20 | dude | someone helps me, a friend told me i have to make a backup of /dev/random how can i do that? |
| 06:18.10 | dude | rsync /dev/random /media/bckup? |
| 06:18.45 | somiaj | dude: what? /dev/random just gives you random output...that will just fill up your drive with garbage |
| 06:19.05 | jlzhang | Driver: the pppoe and pptp link is ok , I can ifup them by hand. |
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| 06:20.37 | somiaj | aussa: read http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=16? |
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| 06:21.28 | Pupeno | Does anybody know where does Evolution stores its address book? |
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| 06:22.51 | somiaj | Pupeno: most likely in some hiddiner directiory, .evolution -- just do an ls -a |
| 06:23.00 | somiaj | Pupeno: of your $HOME dir |
| 06:23.30 | Pupeno | somiaj: nope, .evolution only contains a tasks directory |
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| 06:24.54 | somiaj | Pupeno: apperentally its put in /usr/share/evolution -- which is silly...oh well |
| 06:25.08 | somiaj | well that is what one google search told me |
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| 06:25.51 | Pupeno | I doubt it… the user doesn't have write access to that directory… and indeed it would be very, very silly. |
| 06:26.22 | somiaj | Pupeno: take a look, it could have a file with user permisions |
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| 06:27.32 | Pupeno | I don't see any. |
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| 06:29.10 | Pupeno | found it…. .local... |
| 06:29.24 | somiaj | are they hding in .gconf |
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| 06:29.27 | somiaj | ahh ok |
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| 06:30.06 | PaulWay[w] | Hi all. |
| 06:30.38 | PaulWay[w] | I'm still learning my way around Debian and need to install a package (lighttpd) from squeeze on a lenny machine. |
| 06:30.43 | PaulWay[w] | There's no backport afaics. |
| 06:31.05 | PaulWay[w] | Can I just add the squeeze repositories to the apt-get config and go from there? |
| 06:31.46 | somiaj | PaulWay[w]: NO |
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| 06:32.00 | somiaj | PaulWay[w]: think about it. The package you want to install depends on other packages right? |
| 06:32.37 | PaulWay[w] | Yep. |
| 06:32.48 | PaulWay[w] | That was why I was thinking of using the repositories for squeeze. |
| 06:32.51 | somiaj | PaulWay[w]: probabaly some of them are core, so you will need the newer version of the core depends (libc6 and other core libaries) so all the suddon the core system is now some psedurandom mix of squeese and lenny packages that have no guarntee they work together. |
| 06:33.18 | PaulWay[w] | That's why I'm testing it - to see if it works, and how much actual change there is. |
| 06:33.33 | somiaj | PaulWay[w]: no you don't want to mix distributions the whole point -- if it were just 'one' top level nonessential pacakge it wouldn't be an issue, its the core pacakges that get brought in with sometimes major changes. |
| 06:33.41 | Driver | compare depends |
| 06:34.05 | somiaj | PaulWay[w]: what you should do is just add a deb-src to your sources.list, download the source and make your own backport (/msg dpkg ssbp (but use squeeze instead of sid) |
| 06:34.31 | Driver | and if lenny contain all need depends - download standalone lighttpd packages and dpkg -i |
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| 06:34.59 | PaulWay[w] | somiaj: OK, I can try that. I may need instruction though :-) |
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| 06:36.08 | somiaj | PaulWay[w]: /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 06:40.47 | PaulWay[w] | So, do an apt-get update, then dpkg ssbp lighttpd? |
| 06:41.00 | somiaj | !tell dpkg ssbp |
| 06:41.10 | somiaj | !tell PaulWay ssbp |
| 06:41.16 | somiaj | !tell PaulWay[w] ssbp |
| 06:41.38 | somiaj | damn full of failure (anways that was an irc command to get that factoid which has the instructions for you) |
| 06:41.48 | PaulWay[w] | Ah, well :-) |
| 06:41.52 | PaulWay[w] | Perhaps you can tell me manually? |
| 06:42.00 | PaulWay[w] | Wait, I'll fgi. |
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| 06:42.40 | somiaj | PaulWay[w]: type '/msg dpkg ssbp' in your irc chat |
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| 06:43.15 | PaulWay[w] | Awesome. Ta. |
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| 06:49.30 | aussa | haven't been able to configure X to use the nvidia drivers, do you recommend me to install nvidia-xconfig?? |
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| 06:53.58 | claw | "scp root@srv-rs:/var/www/* home/dkoch/tmp/wiki" i want to copy the whole struckture of /var/www on an server to a home folder |
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| 06:54.18 | claw | but this line copies only all files in /www/ |
| 06:54.24 | claw | how to do it right ? |
| 06:54.51 | aussa | how can I configure X to use the nvidia drivers? |
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| 06:55.35 | jham | claw: you need to look for the word "recursively" in man scp |
| 06:55.39 | somiaj | claw: scp -r .... |
| 06:56.10 | jham | claw: also i think you want to copy to /home/... insead of home/... |
| 06:56.12 | somiaj | aussa: nvidia-config could possibally make you a working xorg.conf, I have never tried it though. |
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| 06:56.41 | somiaj | claw: a better command is rsync -av root@..... .... |
| 06:57.04 | somiaj | claw: this is nice if you want to make regular backups and only coppy the differences |
| 06:57.05 | jham | or at least add -p flag to scp command |
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| 07:13.17 | aussa | non of the xorg.conf files had worked for me, all of them prevents me from entering X, I have to remove the X config file in order to enter.... what do I do? any solution? |
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| 07:13.48 | somiaj | aussa: what errors do you get in our /var/log/Xorg.0.log file from the bad configs |
| 07:13.55 | PaulWay[w] | Thanks for the help! |
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| 07:15.19 | aussa | somiaj: no screens found http://pastebin.com/5MadLmGz |
| 07:16.54 | somiaj | aussa: look at line 108 -- no devices detected. What is your video card, there is some reason the nvidia driver is NOT seeing it. |
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| 07:17.48 | aussa | somiaj: geforc GT 425m, I had to install wheezy nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 07:18.49 | [Sanyi] | aussa |
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| 07:18.51 | somiaj | aussa: on squeeze? |
| 07:18.52 | [Sanyi] | what problem? |
| 07:18.58 | aussa | somiaj: yes |
| 07:19.43 | somiaj | aussa: how did you install the wheezy drivers -- I think you broke your install and not going to get much help |
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| 07:21.48 | pradyumna | compiz is not working |
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| 07:22.06 | pradyumna | when i start it form terminal |
| 07:22.19 | pradyumna | all the windows freeze intheir positions |
| 07:22.28 | pradyumna | window manger is gone |
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| 07:22.59 | IamTrying | How to change the GDM default background wallpaper to my customized wallpaper or solid color? this does not work e.g: xsetroot -bg black -solid black or /etc/gdm/custom.conf with value [greeter] BackgroundImage=1.png BackgroundColor=#000000 BackgroundType=2 |
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| 07:23.46 | somiaj | IamTrying: put a full path to the image, it may not know where to look for it |
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| 07:24.51 | IamTrying | somiaj, BackgroundType=2 means it should use the Solid color #000000 black. |
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| 07:26.23 | somiaj | IamTrying: ahh I don't know gdm, how are you restrting gdm to test? |
| 07:28.04 | IamTrying | somiaj, i have a file in /etc/gdm/custom.conf with those parameters i am rebooting my system and still see the default wallpaper instead of my custom.conf settings, i also when logout i see always default wallpaper |
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| 07:28.42 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 07:28.57 | kristian-aalborg | so, I have a hdd on which I want three partitions: |
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| 07:29.57 | kristian-aalborg | 1: Debian 2: Media 3: Tiny Core Linux... what's the cool way of doing this? I'm thinking fdisk from a cd... |
| 07:30.34 | IamTrying | somiaj, now i applied /tmp/x1.png but still same |
| 07:30.41 | simonlnu | easiest and quickest, yep |
| 07:30.51 | filePeter | kristian-aalborg: an LVM possibly |
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| 07:31.35 | somiaj | IamTrying: you can restart gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm restart (no need to reboot) |
| 07:31.46 | IamTrying | OK, doing... |
| 07:31.57 | somiaj | IamTrying: but rebooting should have picked up the new config |
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| 07:33.05 | aussa | sorry, lost connection |
| 07:33.06 | IamTrying | somiaj, sudo /etc/init.d/gmd restart (i saw was rebooting the gdm, but still it shows login prompt and same default wallpaper instead of my /etc/gmd/custom.conf settings) |
| 07:33.20 | somiaj | IamTrying: seems as if it prefers to use gconf2 to set things, have you seen this page.....http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/11/howto-manually-set-gdm-background-and.html |
| 07:33.33 | aussa | the problem is I installed nvidia drivers, and I'm trying to configure X to use them, every xorg.conf file I've created prevents me from entering X, tried with nvidia-xconfig too without any results |
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| 07:35.38 | aussa | is it possible that while trying to look for the nvidia card if finds intel graphics card? |
| 07:35.46 | aussa | http://pastebin.com/5MadLmGz line 107 (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00@00:02:0 --- 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 18) |
| 07:36.03 | aussa | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0df0] (rev a1) |
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| 07:37.16 | seb82 | hey all |
| 07:37.56 | somiaj | aussa: no your problem is you have mixed squeeze and wheezy and your system is broken and buggy cause of it. |
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| 07:38.24 | aussa | how do I solve that? what other alternative do I have? |
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| 07:38.39 | IamTrying | somiaj, according to that myInput: sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 -t str -s /var/tmp/x1.png myOutput: No value to set for key: `/var/tmp/x1.png'" |
| 07:38.43 | somiaj | aussa: fully upgrade to testing and deal with any testing bugs there may be, or try to figure out how bad it is. |
| 07:39.00 | kristian-aalborg | filePeter, I should add that the disk is 80GB and the box is 1998-ish |
| 07:39.03 | somiaj | IamTrying: I don't use gdm, I use slim which was easy to configure. I'd go back to google, I only posted what I found. |
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| 07:39.57 | somiaj | aussa: though until you fix the problem that you have mixed all of the nvidia driver dependencies in testing with a squeeze base we won't help you try to figure out how to make this work. It's probabaly the cause of your problems. |
| 07:40.19 | filePeter | kristian-aalborg: Why don’t you partition the disk with the debian installer when installing debian? |
| 07:40.41 | kristian-aalborg | filePeter, hurm, I guess I could do that... I use the minimal cd |
| 07:40.42 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: you'll want 4 primary partitions, cause you forgot about swap (But both linux installs can use the same swap partition) |
| 07:40.45 | seb82 | somiaj: it could be me but wouldn't it be wiser for aussa to split his harddisk in too and run squeeze and wheezy in double boot? |
| 07:40.51 | aussa | somiaj: do you thing doing it not "the debian way" might work? |
| 07:40.54 | kristian-aalborg | somiaj, good point |
| 07:40.55 | filePeter | kristian-aalborg: Should work anyhow... |
| 07:41.29 | somiaj | seb82: well the best thing for him to do now is fully upgrade to testing |
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| 07:41.46 | seb82 | somiaj: true... but apparently he wants to use both... |
| 07:41.50 | somiaj | aussa: I think if you do that you are only going to mess up thigns differently. |
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| 07:42.09 | kristian-aalborg | I don't need any kind of X for debian, but I need the tools to get the kernel configuration moved to a stronger box where I can build a custom version... I'm thinking 3 gigs of space? |
| 07:42.19 | somiaj | seb82: no he wants his gfroce 430m to work in squeeze, but he installed the wheezy drivers since they are new enough with out realizing the consequences and is how facing them. |
| 07:42.29 | croddy | he must upgrade to testing. |
| 07:42.35 | croddy | post haste. |
| 07:42.46 | seb82 | somiaj: I see... why can't ppl wait for the good things? |
| 07:42.47 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: I'd give more than that...you could get away with 3gigs, but I think its a bit small |
| 07:43.05 | _denis_ | Hi, I seek a solution like OpenMeetings but that doesn't require flash to run. Anyone have an idea? |
| 07:43.15 | kristian-aalborg | somiaj, 4 or 5? |
| 07:43.31 | kristian-aalborg | I need like 3 apps not in the default install only |
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| 07:43.57 | seb82 | I know I couldn't with Squeeze... the last 6 months of it still being in beta I was using it... making my 8 year old laptop run like a nearly new at quadcore speed... eventhough its a single core... lol |
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| 07:44.20 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: base install is under a gig, so yea you could do it under 3 |
| 07:44.23 | kristian-aalborg | seb82, what kind of lappy? |
| 07:44.38 | seb82 | kristian-aalborg a compaq presario R3114 |
| 07:45.04 | aussa | what consequences will bring me upgrade to wheezy? |
| 07:45.06 | seb82 | kristian-aalborg... I'd recommend atleast 10 gig... in total... |
| 07:45.13 | seb82 | aussa: bugs... |
| 07:45.37 | somiaj | aussa: you will have to deal with any bugs, you won't have security updates and basically are left to your own to fix things. |
| 07:46.01 | aussa | hahahhaa.... 3D acceleration vs Problems all the time |
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| 07:46.46 | seb82 | aussa: I've got an older system with an older videocard of ATI which doesn't work like it used to under Windows but I live with it... |
| 07:47.16 | seb82 | I can do practically anything I want... |
| 07:47.34 | somiaj | aussa: people run testing, once you get it working...but you need to know what your doing or just be very paitent asking questions and trying to get help. But its not suggested for people who dont' have some familarity with debian |
| 07:47.58 | seb82 | or linux... |
| 07:48.43 | seb82 | I'm gonna check if my virtual system is back in the air |
| 07:48.54 | somiaj | aussa: but at this point if you want debian stable you might have to reinstall...so might as well back things up, upgrade to testing...if it breaks or you don't like it reinstall and then come ask in here the right way to get the newer drivers for your nvidia card on squeeze. |
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| 07:49.22 | seb82 | somiaj: now that's a suggestion which is very workable... |
| 07:49.26 | somiaj | aussa: give me the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 07:49.45 | somiaj | aussa: put it in a pastebin.net |
| 07:50.20 | aussa | http://pastebin.com/ePGUNrdp |
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| 07:50.55 | bambanx | am back :) |
| 07:51.11 | bambanx | guys how i can know my arch of my debian ? |
| 07:51.37 | croddy | bambanx: uname -i |
| 07:51.44 | bambanx | thanks |
| 07:51.48 | somiaj | croddy: you can have 32bit debian with a 64bit kernel |
| 07:51.53 | croddy | well, that might not match properly. |
| 07:51.54 | croddy | yeah. |
| 07:51.58 | croddy | uname -a. |
| 07:52.04 | croddy | you'll be able to figure it out |
| 07:52.11 | somiaj | bambanx: ls / (if you see a lib64 and lib32 directory your in amd64) |
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| 07:52.23 | somiaj | bambanx: but uname -a does tell you the kernel that gives you some info |
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| 07:52.59 | aussa | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/ePGUNrdp |
| 07:53.00 | seb82 | erm my virtual system doesn't have xdm, gdm,, kdm nor gdm3... not that I mind... but why does xfce4 start when doing startx from prompt instead of gnome? |
| 07:53.02 | bambanx | uname -i say me: unknown uname -a say me : Linux crazycat 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 05:03:09 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/ |
| 07:53.40 | bambanx | ls / show me : bin boot dev etc home initrd.img lib lost+found media mnt opt proc root sbin selinux srv sys tmp usr var vmlinuz |
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| 07:53.56 | seb82 | lemme rephrase that... how can I make gnome start with startx |
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| 07:54.15 | somiaj | aussa: well it looks like you haven't pulled in some testing stuff..lets go back to my question. Where did you install the nvidia drivers from? |
| 07:54.16 | croddy | seb82: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager should do it |
| 07:54.37 | somiaj | bambanx: its i386 (32bit) |
| 07:54.49 | bambanx | how you know? |
| 07:55.14 | somiaj | bambanx: you have a 686 kernel which is only available for 32bit installs. |
| 07:55.15 | croddy | (good question, it could be ppc32) |
| 07:55.27 | aussa | somiaj: I downloaded the wheezy nvidia-graphics-drivers source and built it, then I installed the .deb files that were created |
| 07:55.39 | bambanx | ok somiaj thanks bro |
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| 07:56.12 | somiaj | bambanx: apt-cache policy libc6 (put the output of that at paste.debian.net) |
| 07:56.34 | somiaj | aussa: oh ok, I missunderstood you. Seems like they are just bad builds, not sure why they are not seeing your graphics card) |
| 07:56.36 | seb82 | I have 3 options... croddy |
| 07:56.43 | somiaj | aussa: I thought you just installed the wheezy debs. |
| 07:57.21 | seb82 | a gnome auto, a gnome manual and ofcourse an xfce |
| 07:57.35 | aussa | somiaj: ok, so where does that leave me? |
| 07:58.27 | somiaj | aussa: lsmod | grep nvidia and dmesg (see any info about the nvdia kernel module you can output) |
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| 07:59.18 | bambanx | in debian is not sudo ? |
| 07:59.46 | somiaj | bambanx: sudo is there, depending on how you installed debian it might not be there by default |
| 07:59.52 | seb82 | croddy nvm |
| 07:59.53 | somiaj | bambanx: but you dn't need to be root to run the command I asked you to |
| 08:00.02 | somiaj | bambanx: apt-get install sudo |
| 08:00.14 | bambanx | ok |
| 08:00.49 | aussa | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/128798/ |
| 08:01.12 | bambanx | for example i tryed to install xchat using apt-get install xchat and it saye me about permissions /var/lib/dpkg/lock» - open (13: Permiso denegado) |
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| 08:01.43 | somiaj | bambanx: you either aren't running it as root or you have anothe process locking the package manager (only one install can happen at a time) |
| 08:01.45 | seb82 | bambanx did you put sudo in front? |
| 08:02.11 | seb82 | you want it install it ofcourse |
| 08:02.12 | bambanx | andwhen i use sudo say em this: crazycat is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 08:02.14 | somiaj | aussa: no type dmesg and see if there is any messages about the nvidia module |
| 08:02.30 | seb82 | you need to add yourself to the sudoers file in /etc/ |
| 08:02.41 | somiaj | or add yourself to the sudo group |
| 08:02.41 | bambanx | ok |
| 08:02.47 | somiaj | I think the default debian sudoers just requiores |
| 08:02.48 | somiaj | adduser sudo |
| 08:02.53 | somiaj | adduser user sudo |
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| 08:03.39 | bambanx | adduser is not a order....bash |
| 08:03.40 | neglesaks | ? if i do not create an explicit swap partition, is there a folder in / that the system uses as swap instead? |
| 08:03.55 | somiaj | bambanx: did you do that as root? |
| 08:03.59 | seb82 | can you become root? |
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| 08:04.07 | somiaj | seb82: su - (enter in roots password) |
| 08:04.24 | aussa | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/128800/ |
| 08:04.29 | seb82 | somiaj: I meant to ask bambanx |
| 08:04.56 | somiaj | seb82: I'm just tiered...I can't keep track of who is who...I thought I was answering him |
| 08:05.39 | bambanx | gusy sorry for my noobs questions :), well i do su - and i am as root now and i can install like in ubuntu i do sudo.., so the question is for what i need sudo now ? |
| 08:05.49 | bambanx | i mean if i can use su - |
| 08:05.56 | seb82 | somiaj: no worries |
| 08:06.20 | seb82 | bambax now you do the adduser user sudo |
| 08:06.21 | somiaj | aussa: I can't see why its not detecting your card -- dpkg -l | grep nvidia (next) |
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| 08:06.42 | seb82 | bambanx: now you exit root and you will be able to use the sudo command for your user |
| 08:06.44 | somiaj | bambanx: as root you don't need sudo... don't use it |
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| 08:06.55 | bambanx | yeah |
| 08:06.58 | somiaj | seb82: not quiet, he'll have to comletely logout and backin to get the groups to update |
| 08:07.08 | bambanx | i dont need sudo i mean :P |
| 08:07.17 | somiaj | there may be a way to reload the groups without loging out and backin, but I don't recall a simple one. |
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| 08:07.47 | seb82 | bambanx: now you are confuzing us... i need to get running... fixing a laptop |
| 08:07.54 | aussa | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/128801/ |
| 08:08.02 | bambanx | sorry |
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| 08:09.56 | bambanx | i try to close my console, and say me i have one process running , how can i see what is ? |
| 08:10.15 | somiaj | aussa: only thing I can think of is the whole naming/alternative system for the non-free drivers is fairly new and wasn't introduced in squeeze. Squeeze may not understand it and there is your conflict causing your error. But everything looks good to me. |
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| 08:11.52 | aussa | somiaj: hahahaa... ok.... mmm... what do you know about sgfxi, do you recommend it? |
| 08:12.05 | seb82 | off I am... till next time |
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| 08:12.53 | somiaj | aussa: no clue have never heard of it. But maybe try again in here in 6-8 hours and see if someone can help ya then. |
| 08:13.11 | aussa | ok, ty |
| 08:13.30 | somiaj | aussa: again not sure where the conflict is, but its not detecting your card. It could be to some design changes in the newer way debian deals with the package making so even backports like you created have issues. |
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| 08:14.06 | somiaj | aussa: I don't know what the core changes were just that the pacakges all changed their name and started using the alternatives system. |
| 08:14.34 | aussa | any channel forum I may refer to? |
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| 08:14.55 | somiaj | aussa: you can try over on irc.debian.org the offical debian irc network. |
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| 08:15.52 | aussa | ok, thank you |
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| 08:24.36 | bambanx | guys how i can quit of server x on debian? |
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| 08:26.00 | Tilde | hi |
| 08:26.01 | rozie | alt-F1 |
| 08:28.23 | N-I-L | i thought ctrl+alt+backspace did it too. |
| 08:29.44 | jeddi | N-I-L: that was disabled in Debian a while back. |
| 08:29.53 | jeddi | N-I-L: though you can of course re-enable it if you want. Bit dangerous. |
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| 08:30.30 | N-I-L | jeddi: ahh i didnt realize. |
| 08:31.37 | f00li5h | is there a sensible way to go about writing firewall rules? i mean, shorewall seems fairly over the top -_- |
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| 08:32.13 | jeddi | f00li5h: man iptables |
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| 08:37.51 | simonlnu | f00li5h: i like ferm a lot |
| 08:38.34 | simonlnu | syntax is a bit like iptables, but without all those -- and structured like a script |
| 08:38.58 | Schala | I'm currently on Ubuntu, but I researched Debian and was intrigued by it. I do have some concerns though, like... will it forbid me from installing a proprietary driver? |
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| 08:39.58 | Schala | or... any proprietary stuff really |
| 08:40.20 | jeddi | Schala: no. |
| 08:40.28 | simonlnu | no |
| 08:40.28 | jeddi | Schala: add 'non-free' to your sources.list |
| 08:40.31 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.34 | bambanx | exist any way to stop the gdm ? |
| 08:40.41 | jeddi | Schala: you can usually grab a .deb from an ubuntu or ppa repo and install it too. |
| 08:40.42 | Schala | ah good |
| 08:40.55 | simonlnu | !non-free |
| 08:40.55 | jeddi | Schala: just try to match up major versions (libc i guess or other dependencies) |
| 08:40.55 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system run "aptitude search '~i~snon-free'". For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 08:41.14 | simonlnu | jeddi: not recommended |
| 08:41.26 | jeddi | Schala: f.e. i run the non-free nvidia drivers all done automagically via a pretty vanilla debian sid installation. |
| 08:41.35 | jeddi | simonlnu: not recommended, i agree. but sometimes useful. |
| 08:41.40 | bambanx | /etc/init.d/gdm stop dont work for me |
| 08:42.06 | jeddi | simonlnu, Schala: often you'll find third parties offering .deb packages as 'ubuntu' (but no 'debian' section on their download page). |
| 08:42.30 | jeddi | bambanx: are you sure you're using gdm? 'ps aux | grep dm' |
| 08:42.50 | Schala | Well thing is Ubuntu is moving toward Unity, and I find it really frustrating. I like GNOME though and the package manager it's said to derive from Debian. I just want to do some research for any possible losses I'll discover with Debian that Ubuntu has, if they're significant. |
| 08:43.21 | berarma | bambanx: are you using gdm or gdm3? |
| 08:43.42 | jeddi | Schala: s/derive/be copied/ |
| 08:44.06 | Schala | .....pardon? |
| 08:44.26 | jeddi | Schala: the differences will be very subtle indeed. i've been using debian for close to two decades, and have to use ubuntu (mostly server-side) for my job - the differences are ... trivial. |
| 08:44.37 | jeddi | Schala: apt doesn't 'derive' from debian. they copied it. |
| 08:44.45 | Schala | ah |
| 08:45.03 | berarma | jeddi: desktop edition has more differences |
| 08:45.10 | jeddi | berarma: of course. |
| 08:45.31 | berarma | Schala: you can use gnome in ubuntu too |
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| 08:46.08 | Schala | well I guess I'll be trying Debian out once I find the stack of unburnt DVDs my dad lost.... Is there any major version planned in the near future? Cause I don't want to burn Debian 6 and install it only to learn Debian 7 is a few weeks away. |
| 08:46.21 | jeddi | Schala: upgrades are painless. |
| 08:46.27 | jeddi | Schala: well 'mostly painless' |
| 08:46.30 | Schala | hmm... what differences, berama? |
| 08:46.30 | berarma | Schala: the biggest change I think it is in the release cycle |
| 08:47.04 | jeddi | Schala: unless you stick to LTS releases and do re-installs on each of those .. you'll find the release / upgrade cycle and process to be just as easy as ubuntu. |
| 08:47.05 | Schala | because I'll be using Debian for desktop, AMD64 |
| 08:47.16 | Schala | hmm ok |
| 08:47.38 | jeddi | Schala: but typically only businesses stick with LTS only and do a major upgrade every 2 (?) years. |
| 08:47.39 | berarma | Schala: debian releases take like 2 years |
| 08:47.48 | berarma | Schala: while Ubuntu takes just 6 months |
| 08:48.14 | Schala | I stick to normal releases, not LTS |
| 08:48.15 | jeddi | berarma, Schala: and of course there's the testing branch of debian if you want somewhere a bit more contemporary (software version wise) and still very stable. |
| 08:48.33 | jeddi | Schala: sure. then when you install i'd suggest you upgrade to testing (wheezy i think is the name for that at the moment) |
| 08:49.08 | jeddi | Schala: and then track that ... it'll give you that nice constant stream of fresh new packages, but assure you some level of comfort (things tend to not break in testing) |
| 08:49.08 | berarma | but you can't expect an stable system with testing although at times it is pretty stable |
| 08:49.19 | jeddi | berarma: compared to sid, of course. ;) |
| 08:49.33 | Schala | While I like pre-releases, I'm a bit skeptical of system component prereleases. I don't want the whole system having a seizure from an unstable release after all |
| 08:49.44 | jeddi | berarma: not sure how it compares to sticking with ubuntu's leading edge. again i typically run ubuntu stuff on servers, and *usually* follow lts releases. |
| 08:50.07 | jeddi | Schala: sure. then don't go for 'unstable', go for 'testing'. it really is very good. berama is right - you *may* get something go wrong, but it's really very extremely unlikely. |
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| 08:50.53 | berarma | it's not so unlikely after stable releases and when big changes are landing, like multi-arch |
| 08:50.56 | Schala | alright... yeah I found something a bit odd in Natty that was probably uncaught, but not serious at all.. just inconvenient |
| 08:51.01 | bolt | I have a mouse configured in an InputDevice section in my xorg.conf. The "Device" is /dev/psaux. Is there a way to disable this device in xorg.conf, to never allow it to use it? |
| 08:51.39 | berarma | so be warned, testing isn't always a lot better than sid |
| 08:51.58 | Schala | sid? |
| 08:52.11 | berarma | sid=unstable |
| 08:52.20 | Schala | ah |
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| 08:52.41 | jeddi | berarma: i think you scare the children too much dear. :) |
| 08:52.58 | Schala | I'm 24, kinda old... |
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| 08:53.23 | jeddi | Schala: it's a turn of phrase. i meant no disrespect. (though i'm still old enough to be your father ;) |
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| 08:53.54 | Schala | hehe I don't doubt it ^^, I've met guys your age just as friendly though |
| 08:54.19 | jeddi | Schala: anyway - i'd suggest you install debian stable (squeeze 6.0.x) and run with that for a while. see how it feels, what you can get done, what blocks you (come back here for that stuff) and if you want somethign slightly 'fresher' it's an easy and pretty safe upgrade to 'testing' (wheezy) .. |
| 08:54.36 | berarma | hehe, new user should be aware of all the risks |
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| 08:54.56 | jeddi | berarma: absolutely. i reckon stable's probably the best place to start, don't you think, as above? |
| 08:55.10 | aussa | how can I see the "testing" packages I have installed? |
| 08:55.12 | berarma | Schala: you can use backports too if you just need to keep updated versions of some packages |
| 08:55.35 | jeddi | Schala: with the stable release there's also backports.org - they supply newer packages of software that are built to run on the stable branch of debian. this can save you some bother sometimes. |
| 08:55.41 | jeddi | snap |
| 08:55.56 | berarma | Schala: see the options, test them from the easiest ones and go up one level at a time when you feel safe enough |
| 08:56.25 | Schala | well what's sort of a turn off for me right now is Ubuntu's package repo isn't really.... recent.... gcc 4.6 and Mono 2.10.x are in the repo next month for Ocelot, but it seems ridiculous not to backport them. They both run okay when I build them from source |
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| 08:56.32 | jeddi | berarma: i'm thinking that because they come from an ubuntu background, they'll have some dexterity with apt/dpkg tools. |
| 08:56.40 | berarma | Schala: jeddi is right, start with stable and come back when you need more |
| 08:57.00 | themill | aussa: /msg dpkg which repo |
| 08:57.15 | berarma | afk |
| 08:57.29 | Schala | Awesome, guess I'll back up what little I've done since installing Ubuntu yesterday |
| 08:57.30 | jeddi | Schala: it's not just a matter of whether a bit of software can be compiled for a specific 'platform' and run okay on one instance of that - packages are tested and vetted for release sets based on their stability and sociability across a dozen different hardware platforms and *lots* of users. |
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| 08:58.02 | Schala | hmm |
| 08:58.05 | jeddi | Schala: but having said that, seriously, i think you need to try the stable release, and maybe bump up to testing once you're happy with the infrastructure aspect. (i'm sure you wil be - ubuntu and debian feel almost identical) |
| 08:58.21 | Schala | I shall |
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| 08:58.38 | jeddi | Schala: just keep /home on a separate disk or volume .. that'll make it easier if you decide to flip back to ubuntu. (as unlikely as that is) |
| 08:58.52 | jeddi | anyway - time to do some work. |
| 08:58.54 | Schala | All I need now is to wait for the weekend so I can pester my dad to look for the DVDs he clumsily misplaced |
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| 08:59.32 | aussa | themill: I want to know how many testing packages I have installed at this moment |
| 08:59.33 | jeddi | Schala: oh - grab a debian stable netinst / netboot image - it's 130MB or so. |
| 08:59.45 | Schala | netboot? |
| 09:00.02 | jeddi | Schala: on a debian cd mirror you'll see dvd, cdrom and netinst and 'business card' ISO images. |
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| 09:00.36 | themill | aussa: testing as opposed to what? There is no easy way of answering your question. |
| 09:00.45 | Schala | hmm... you have my curiosity piqued |
| 09:00.47 | jeddi | Schala: if you have a half way decent internet connection, just use the netinst CD image, which, at the end of the install, you can then bring down whatever actual packages you want. this means you only transfer the stuff you want. if you download the DVD, then you're pulling in probably 2GB of stuff you won't use. |
| 09:00.51 | aussa | wheezy's packages |
| 09:01.05 | Schala | very spiffy |
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| 09:01.11 | Schala | I'll take a look |
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| 09:01.26 | themill | aussa: you're wanting to know what packages you have from testing instead of wheezy? |
| 09:01.31 | Schala | debian.org yes? |
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| 09:01.58 | jeddi | Schala: yeah - start there - head for cd mirrors - find a local one. |
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| 09:02.13 | aussa | themill: I know I have installed some wheezy packages, I want to know which ones |
| 09:02.30 | themill | aussa: wheezy *is* testing. |
| 09:02.31 | jeddi | aussa: i'm looking thru google and dpkg / apt's man pages - doesn't seem to be an obvious way. |
| 09:02.47 | jeddi | themill: 'history | grep testing' ? ;) |
| 09:02.52 | aussa | themill: ok then |
| 09:03.05 | Schala | is it possible to wipe my drive before this though? |
| 09:03.16 | jeddi | oh, you're already running wheezy? i thought you were using squeeze. |
| 09:03.28 | aussa | jeddi: I am |
| 09:03.30 | jeddi | Schala: wipe as in erase every byte with zeroes? |
| 09:03.54 | jeddi | aussa: themill already answered this then. 'dpkg --list' will show you all your testing packages. ;) |
| 09:04.14 | Schala | well I want to wipe the used space to put Debian on instead |
| 09:04.15 | themill | actually, it won't |
| 09:04.26 | aussa | hahaha |
| 09:04.34 | jeddi | themill: if he's only run wheezy .. why wouldn't it? |
| 09:04.50 | jeddi | themill: oh, if there's residual stable packages in there? |
| 09:04.51 | aussa | because I have installed some wheezy packages |
| 09:04.51 | themill | that will also list packages that have no apt repo at all. And packages that are removed and not purged. |
| 09:05.02 | jeddi | aussa: wheezy and testing are the same set. |
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| 09:05.13 | Schala | like totally erase the drive and then put Debian on it... possible? |
| 09:05.14 | aussa | jeddi: ok, I know |
| 09:05.16 | jeddi | themill: sure. okay. it will *mostly* show testing packages ;) |
| 09:05.16 | themill | aussa: wheezy == testing. Where else have you been installing packages from? |
| 09:05.25 | themill | jeddi: so not very useful then |
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| 09:05.49 | jeddi | Schala: i wouldn't bother. just re-partition and format the different volumes when you install debian - this is much easier and safer given you're happy to erase the drive contents. |
| 09:05.58 | aussa | squeeze-backports |
| 09:06.22 | Schala | hmm... ok |
| 09:07.46 | Schala | do I just open the ISO, or... how do I do this? |
| 09:08.24 | themill | aussa: you shouldn't be mixing squeeze-backports with testing/wheezy. Anything you have from squeeze-backports should get upgraded to testing with the next "aptitude safe-upgrade". That said, it's easy enough to check for that, /msg dpkg bpo list |
| 09:08.32 | Iridos | aussa, apt-show-versions ... grep what you want, count with wc ... like apt-show-versions|egrep 'wheezy|testing' |wc -l |
| 09:08.34 | jeddi | Schala: download it. burn it. |
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| 09:09.27 | themill | Iridos: I've never found apt-show-versions to work very well if you have repos with the same version in them (e.g. same version in stable/testing/unstable or even worse with a testing/unstable mix) |
| 09:09.30 | Schala | ah then I do need a blank CD....darn, this was too good to be true |
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| 09:10.11 | Iridos | themill, I'm mixing a little bit and it _seems_ to work ok |
| 09:10.12 | themill | Schala: you can install from a blank usb key. This is covered in the release notes. |
| 09:10.51 | themill | Iridos: I've not looked at it since etch... let me see how it goes ;) |
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| 09:11.08 | Schala | well other than a used USB drive, I only have a 2 gig SD card with a plug-in reader |
| 09:11.21 | Iridos | themill, now that you say it, I see that I always wondered about 7kaa, which I surely never mixed in... and indeed it's the same version... so you're right, some false positives |
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| 09:11.46 | Iridos | themill, ha... ok that explains why there's so much more stuff "from testing" than I ever remember getting |
| 09:11.50 | Schala | I recently had a birthday, maybe I can find a good flash drive? |
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| 09:12.08 | aussa | ty |
| 09:12.55 | themill | Iridos: it claims I have 34 sid packages on my squeeze system and that a pile of things are upgradable. I don't... I have 2 packages from sid (debian-keyring and debian-policy). |
| 09:13.02 | Schala | would it be possible to put netinst on a flash drive? |
| 09:13.38 | Iridos | themill, did you file a bug? That should be easy enough to fix... "if packages have the same version, take the oldest repo"? |
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| 09:13.41 | Iridos | hm |
| 09:14.02 | themill | that wouldn't necessarily be correct either. it's trying to oversimplify and impossible problem |
| 09:14.05 | Iridos | better yet show "undistinguishable" |
| 09:14.21 | Iridos | or somesuch |
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| 09:14.47 | Iridos | "same version" would also be a possible printout... or show all possible repos |
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| 09:16.15 | HD|Laptop | hey |
| 09:16.29 | HD|Laptop | trying to m-a a-i kvm on testing |
| 09:16.36 | themill | Iridos: both problems are already in the bts and have been for some time. |
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| 09:16.57 | HD|Laptop | but i get error about missing include/linux/autoconf.h |
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| 09:17.14 | HD|Laptop | with linux 3.0.0 package it is now include/generated/autoconf.h |
| 09:17.19 | HD|Laptop | what should i do?? |
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| 09:17.36 | nsadmin | what is there to do? |
| 09:17.45 | nsadmin | what do you want to do? do that. |
| 09:18.44 | themill | HD|Laptop: does kvm still require manual compilation? It's already in the kernel |
| 09:19.13 | HD|Laptop | themill, oh, yeah... ^^ |
| 09:19.20 | HD|Laptop | didnt see that |
| 09:19.21 | HD|Laptop | thanks! |
| 09:21.03 | nsadmin | where does dhcp3 store leases? |
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| 09:21.16 | nsadmin | I need to get rid of them |
| 09:21.42 | f00li5h | why? |
| 09:21.50 | f00li5h | dhcp client or dhcp server? |
| 09:21.53 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:23.09 | nsadmin | why? I want to do it :) what has you ask the question? since you use the word "why" you make it sound like something's wrong; more specifically that I'm doing something wrong... |
| 09:23.32 | nsadmin | sep: thanks, I'll look |
| 09:23.39 | nsadmin | shoulda thought of that |
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| 09:23.45 | f00li5h | nsadmin: it feels like ditching leases on a dhcp server would lead to machines with leases being re-allocated |
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| 09:24.07 | nsadmin | no, on a client |
| 09:24.29 | nsadmin | I want to have a different internet-facing address |
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| 09:24.53 | alphanet | Hi, am I right in that there is no user-space NFS daemons anymore in squeeze, and that the nfs-kernel-server, although working in a host will not work within a OpenVZ container? (<-- I solved it by installing the unfs3 package from lenny in the VZ, but that's not really the best way to fix it) |
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| 09:25.38 | nsadmin | hmm. those look like server leases |
| 09:25.40 | f00li5h | nsadmin: you want to release your lease and get a new one |
| 09:26.04 | nsadmin | tried that... it keeps feeding me the same IP |
| 09:26.20 | f00li5h | you might want to stop/start the interface |
| 09:26.23 | f00li5h | ifdown/ifup |
| 09:26.29 | f00li5h | maaaaybe |
| 09:26.55 | nsadmin | right, did that (the side effect being the dhcp client sends DHCPRELEASE) |
| 09:27.00 | f00li5h | yep! |
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| 09:27.26 | nsadmin | maybe if I recycle dsl |
| 09:27.40 | nsadmin | ok, thanks all much... bbs |
| 09:27.45 | f00li5h | depending on your modem config, your modem will be the one that has the public ip |
| 09:27.49 | f00li5h | anyway |
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| 09:28.00 | f00li5h | unless your modem runs debian! |
| 09:28.27 | f00li5h | oh! |
| 09:28.28 | nsadmin | no, but the dhcp propigates it to the router (which does run debian) |
| 09:28.34 | f00li5h | is there some kind of magic shorewall rule updater? |
| 09:28.48 | nsadmin | you mean like what we had with ipmasq? |
| 09:28.56 | f00li5h | iunno |
| 09:29.03 | f00li5h | old rules make shorewall cranky |
| 09:29.09 | f00li5h | when i copy them to a new /etc/shorewall |
| 09:29.12 | f00li5h | which makes me furious |
| 09:29.16 | f00li5h | i mean. fuck. |
| 09:29.34 | f00li5h | why bother wirting something to make firewalls easy if you're not going to keep supporting the same options in the damn config files |
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| 09:30.47 | nsadmin | maybe shorewalls on other machines would have needed to generate rules which requires some sort of intermediate-form metadata |
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| 09:31.16 | f00li5h | the rules, as far as i can tell, are supposed to be that. |
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| 09:32.35 | nsadmin | ok, here I go |
| 09:33.37 | f00li5h | toodles |
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| 09:42.19 | Schala | I'm doing a test install of netboot, and being as I've never used Debian before, I have to ask... it says one of the components I can select is 'SQL database' -- is MySQL, PostgreSQL, SQLite, or something else? |
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| 09:43.04 | [Sanyi] | Schala originally MySQL |
| 09:43.19 | [Sanyi] | bat u can install any sql version, it's works fine |
| 09:43.20 | [Sanyi] | :) |
| 09:43.22 | Schala | ah good was hoping for that |
| 09:43.25 | [Sanyi] | am *but |
| 09:43.32 | [Sanyi] | : |
| 09:43.35 | [Sanyi] | :) |
| 09:43.38 | Schala | MySQL is what I was aiming for, thanks |
| 09:43.49 | [Sanyi] | mp. |
| 09:43.52 | petemc | its postgresql |
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| 09:44.02 | [Sanyi] | ? |
| 09:44.04 | petemc | tasksel --task-packages database-server |
| 09:44.31 | petern_ | postgresql \o/ |
| 09:44.55 | Schala | some of the stuff I use dictates MySQL though |
| 09:45.00 | petemc | Schala: you can skip that part and install whatever you want |
| 09:45.03 | petern_ | sadly so |
| 09:45.22 | Schala | I did read about PostgreSQL, looks interesting |
| 09:47.01 | Schala | to prep a USB flash drive, by the way, do I just extract the ISO contents on to the drive? |
| 09:47.07 | MrWax | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.10 | MrWax | Its only for 1 site, which site has the same name as the hostname of my server |
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| 09:49.47 | nsadmin | tried everything including waiting a bit |
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| 10:05.49 | und3f | Hello. I've tried to install 'git' and get next error: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend multiarch-support for libdb5.1, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 10:06.15 | und3f | The problem is in depcycle between libdb5.1 and multiarch-support. How to fix it? |
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| 10:14.02 | f00li5h | hrm |
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| 10:14.20 | f00li5h | is there some kind of app that i can run to tell me a "status" of my machien? |
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| 10:14.43 | f00li5h | like "answering dhcp on eth1 eth3" "portfording: eth1 eth2 -> eth0" etc |
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| 10:20.17 | jeddi | f00li5h: 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' ? |
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| 10:20.29 | no_gravity | Good Morning Debian! Im trying to run virtualbox inside a xen virtual machine :) virtualbox compaints that it cant find the kernel source. do you know how to install it? apt-get install WHAT? |
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| 10:24.06 | f00li5h | jeddi: that is possibly the least helpful thing anyone has ever said on irc |
| 10:24.10 | gnarface | no_gravity: usually all that means is you need the linux-headers-* package for your kernel version. i've never tried what you're doing though. |
| 10:24.17 | jeddi | f00li5h: that's a big call |
| 10:24.24 | f00li5h | jeddi: 'cause when i do that, i get ouput nothing like what i suggested |
| 10:24.46 | jeddi | f00li5h: i posit that "is there some kind of app that i can run to tell me a "status" of my machien?" is possibly the vaguest question ever asked in the entire history of the universe .. if we're going for hyperbole. |
| 10:25.02 | no_gravity | gnarface: ok, installing the headers... |
| 10:25.08 | jeddi | f00li5h: how about /var/log/messages then? |
| 10:25.11 | f00li5h | jeddi: but your answer doesn't even match a question that vaue |
| 10:25.21 | jeddi | f00li5h: there is no answer to address the vagueness of your question. |
| 10:25.26 | f00li5h | do you understand the difference between "history" and "current state"? |
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| 10:25.40 | jeddi | tail's -f feature shows current activity. |
| 10:25.45 | jeddi | by definition. |
| 10:25.45 | gnarface | vaguest question ever: why? |
| 10:25.47 | f00li5h | jeddi: you know what. |
| 10:25.48 | f00li5h | fuck you. |
| 10:25.53 | f00li5h | feel free to just stop saying things to me. |
| 10:26.17 | jeddi | f00li5h: perhaps you could word your question differently and i'll try to help again. |
| 10:26.57 | f00li5h | last word. |
| 10:30.16 | abec0 | If f00li5h is not a troll, maybe explain how the answer is not related to the question. IMHO, logs *are* the place whrere program tell what they are doing. Of course, it piles up as history, but it is written live, no ? |
| 10:30.35 | f00li5h | current fucking state. |
| 10:30.38 | f00li5h | not a history of shit. |
| 10:30.40 | f00li5h | the current state. |
| 10:30.42 | f00li5h | you know. |
| 10:32.32 | gnarface | f00li5h: the problem here is that you are asking for current state (which is way too general of a query to get from any one location on the system) but then referring to two entirely separate and only indirectly related specific things, which have a "state" not located in anywhere near the same "place" on the system |
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| 10:33.04 | f00li5h | ok |
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| 10:33.22 | f00li5h | so you're saying that my question doesn't rule out enough answers? |
| 10:33.22 | gnarface | f00li5h: so please try to be specific, and try to start with one thing at a time which you want to find out the "state" of |
| 10:33.32 | abec0 | Maybe you mean «all» the things thay are doing. Hmm... That would indeed be intersting. Like maybe /proc or /sys are places one can get info regarding the kernel ? [BTW You do know that rudeness doesn't help ?] |
| 10:33.33 | gnarface | yes, your question only brings up more questions |
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| 10:34.01 | gnarface | f00li5h: maybe you should start with what's going *wrong* and we can work from there |
| 10:34.08 | f00li5h | so, is there any software that will read those and present them in a useful way, at all? |
| 10:34.16 | f00li5h | there is nothing wrong. |
| 10:34.22 | f00li5h | this is not a reaction to a problem on my system. |
| 10:34.54 | f00li5h | "things" would include stuff like, say, the state of the firewall, and the state of a dhcp daemon... |
| 10:35.07 | f00li5h | given that they were listed in my initial question |
| 10:35.23 | gnarface | f00li5h: well there have been both commercial and open-source attempts at whole-system level profiling of the type you're asking, but they tend to be intrusive and cumbersome so the pros just use separate tools (usually the old-school command-line ones, combined with tailing log files) specific to the subsystems they want to query |
| 10:35.36 | f00li5h | right |
| 10:35.44 | f00li5h | so, is there some way you could name, i don't know, even one of them? |
| 10:35.46 | jeddi | f00li5h: the problem is that 'current' becomes 'history' within a millisecond - and top, syslog, messages, /proc, /sys ps etc - all show the as close to current state as can be achieved. trying to aggregate this into a single console to show you everything the machine is doing *right now* is something few people are interested in. |
| 10:36.02 | f00li5h | jeddi: no. it stops being current when the state changes. |
| 10:36.02 | gnarface | f00li5h: they also tend to be utterly clumsily configured by default, so by the time you have got them tuned in and working, you will find it easier just to do it the "hard way" |
| 10:36.11 | jeddi | f00li5h: what do you mean by 'state' ? |
| 10:36.13 | f00li5h | i don't give a shit about how they're configured by default. |
| 10:36.24 | jeddi | f00li5h: do you find this kind of attitude helps you in real life? |
| 10:36.31 | f00li5h | yes. |
| 10:36.32 | f00li5h | it really does. |
| 10:36.38 | jeddi | i pity your f00 friends then. |
| 10:36.43 | amphi | haha |
| 10:37.32 | gnarface | f00li5h: familiarizing yourself with the log files is really a good bit of advice. for example dhcp actions go into /var/log/daemon.log (to the best of my knowledge) and the way to watch them in realtime would be: tail -f /var/log/daemon.log (on debian, this is recommended to be run as a non-root user, who is a member of the adm group) |
| 10:37.47 | abec0 | I guess what would be progress to be able to query a prgramm (client/server-like) to ask it for 1/ a list of variables/flags 2/ their content (one or all). |
| 10:37.49 | f00li5h | christ |
| 10:38.02 | f00li5h | gnarface: no, i want a fucking smiley face, or a frowney face when the machine is not in the state i desire. |
| 10:38.10 | jeddi | idly wonders 'didn't the school holidays end last week' |
| 10:38.25 | f00li5h | i am pretty sure that nobody montiros the state of tehir systems by logging in and reading the syslog |
| 10:38.31 | jeddi | f00li5h: i suspect you have a frowny face to hand most of the time. |
| 10:38.33 | f00li5h | that's *not* what sysadmins do. |
| 10:38.42 | gnarface | f00li5h: to the best of my knowledge the only thing that gives smileys as status output is cdparanoia |
| 10:38.46 | jeddi | f00li5h: sysadmins - and you are speaking with at least one - do not do what you're trying to do. |
| 10:38.55 | f00li5h | monitoring. |
| 10:39.01 | jeddi | f00li5h: how about zabbix or nagios? |
| 10:39.07 | f00li5h | fantastic! |
| 10:39.10 | f00li5h | how fucking hard was that? |
| 10:39.15 | jeddi | f00li5h: for you or us? |
| 10:39.19 | zykotick9 | gnarface, i like your cdparanoia comment - NICE ;) |
| 10:39.30 | gnarface | f00li5h: or oprofile, or splunk or ... cacti? and something called uh... munin, i think |
| 10:39.35 | f00li5h | wow |
| 10:39.39 | f00li5h | that's fucking amazing |
| 10:39.41 | abec0 | Well, if people don't do an impossible thing, it does not prove that it is because they wouldn't want to, I'll give f00li5h that... ;-) |
| 10:39.41 | jeddi | f00li5h: by definition things like zabbix will show you state *changes* though. |
| 10:39.43 | f00li5h | you *did* know |
| 10:39.47 | jeddi | f00li5h: which is what you specified you do not want. |
| 10:39.54 | f00li5h | riight |
| 10:39.57 | petemc | appropriate nick is appropriate |
| 10:40.01 | jeddi | f00li5h: i still posit you are profoundly confused about your requirements and how to verbalise them. |
| 10:40.01 | f00li5h | so those packages don't show "current state of a machine"? |
| 10:40.13 | gnarface | seconded |
| 10:40.15 | jeddi | f00li5h: they do show you current state - tyipocally up to 60 seconds old however. |
| 10:40.35 | f00li5h | i fucking love pedants |
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| 10:40.41 | jeddi | f00li5h: i love friendly people. |
| 10:40.46 | jeddi | f00li5h: and white chocolate. |
| 10:40.47 | abec0 | I love me. |
| 10:40.59 | abec0 | But it is OT, no ? |
| 10:41.43 | jeddi | f00li5h: with monitoring utilities you will need to add and configure checks & triggers/alerts for new network elements and services as you install them. |
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| 10:41.55 | gnarface | uses top, iotop, ifconfig, iptables (-L -v, etc) and tails log files |
| 10:42.03 | f00li5h | what, you think it's going to magically know what my desired state is? |
| 10:42.09 | f00li5h | ofcourse i'm going to have to tell it that |
| 10:42.10 | abec0 | I think f00li5h would like something that would ressemble a conf file (let's say var=value) but in real time. Confirm ? |
| 10:42.11 | amphi | iptraf is nice too |
| 10:42.18 | jeddi | f00li5h: i don't think anyone could reasonably guess at your desired state. |
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| 10:42.33 | f00li5h | right. |
| 10:42.39 | zastaph | how come when i choose open with for .coffee files and choose gedit and checks "remember this" that it does not in fact remember it, and I have to do this process every time? |
| 10:42.44 | abec0 | OK, then ;-) |
| 10:42.50 | f00li5h | so i'm not sure that poitning out that i'll have to "configure some software" is all that helpful |
| 10:42.56 | jeddi | f00li5h: anyway, it's been a pleasure. |
| 10:43.08 | jeddi | f00li5h: i said that you'll need to continually configure it as your network changes. |
| 10:43.14 | f00li5h | jeddi: now i know what my one night stands feel like |
| 10:43.18 | f00li5h | 'cause I didn't enjoy it at all. |
| 10:43.20 | jeddi | f00li5h: if you are attempting to do this on anything beyond a single machine with a small number of non-changing services ... |
| 10:43.31 | amphi | dear ghod |
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| 10:44.06 | gnarface | where's abrotman when you need him? i'd have already been threatened with a ban by now for this rant |
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| 10:44.17 | jeddi | f00li5h: anyway, there's a door over there i need to repeatedly slam my fingers in ... |
| 10:44.34 | f00li5h | gnarface: lucky me. |
| 10:44.36 | abec0 | f00li5h: The thhing is all program that could be interrogated that way should be programmed that way in the first place. |
| 10:44.41 | amphi | just toss it in the oubliette |
| 10:44.45 | Schala | There seems to be something wrong with the SW Center. when I click remove, nothing happens, the button just gets disabled |
| 10:44.47 | gelian | on my current theme on squeeze, gnome tells me the theme "will not look as intended because the required window manager theme 'clearlooks' is not installed". however, I can't find a package named clearlooks. how can I get that wm theme? |
| 10:44.54 | f00li5h | abec0: what? |
| 10:45.13 | abec0 | I mean, they should write somewhere |
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| 10:45.36 | abec0 | «here are variables that may change and indicate the state I am in» |
| 10:45.51 | amphi | gelian: you probably need to install the gtk2-engines package |
| 10:45.54 | abec0 | «Here are their values» |
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| 10:46.11 | jeddi | gelian: gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks ? |
| 10:46.12 | f00li5h | yes. |
| 10:46.19 | gnarface | gelian: this package claims it contains clearlooks: gnome-themes - official themes for the GNOME desktop |
| 10:46.21 | abec0 | And they should be programmed to respond to any query on them. |
| 10:46.22 | gelian | amphi, jeddi: i have both |
| 10:46.30 | jeddi | gelian: it might be an ubuntuism? |
| 10:46.42 | gelian | ubuntuism? |
| 10:46.57 | abec0 | I too think it might prove useful. |
| 10:46.58 | Schala | hmm... yeah I don't know what's up with SW Center not being able to remove anything |
| 10:47.02 | jeddi | gelian: i don't use gnome, so i'm guessing via some apt-cache searches .. |
| 10:47.14 | jeddi | that package i mentioned is 'Ubuntulooks is a modern-looking engine for GTK+, based on Clearlooks.' |
| 10:47.32 | abec0 | But it seems really like a lot of work. |
| 10:47.33 | gnarface | gelian: run this command: apt-cache search clearlooks (like 7 packages show up) |
| 10:47.45 | gelian | gnarface: i did. and installed most of them. it still complains though |
| 10:47.50 | amphi | gelian: dunno; the clearlooks engine is in the package I suggested |
| 10:47.52 | gelian | gnarface: think i'm gonna just switch themes |
| 10:48.16 | gnarface | gelian: hmm. maybe you ARE missing the engine. |
| 10:48.26 | gnarface | gelian: have you tried running ldconfig and reloading X11? |
| 10:48.30 | Schala | AisleRiot Solitare just doesn't want to go |
| 10:48.44 | abec0 | maybe if a centraliezd system (daemon) could receive update from any program about its state, and queried by any authorized user. |
| 10:48.45 | gelian | gnarface: nope |
| 10:48.49 | gelian | gnarface: will try |
| 10:49.01 | gnarface | gelian: make sure you have the engines *and* themes first |
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| 10:49.37 | abec0 | It might take lots of resources, though, no ? |
| 10:50.22 | jeddi | abec0: this how things like zabbix already work - though often with 60s (or greater) delays before you notice a state chagne. configurable down, of course, but then it's costly to track all this kind of stuff. |
| 10:50.23 | zykotick9 | Schala, aisleriot appears to be part of gnome-games - are you sure you want to remove all of them? If so, "aptitude remove gnome-games" should work from a root terminal |
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| 10:50.34 | jeddi | abec0: especially once you start trending it for 12 months ... |
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| 10:51.20 | Schala | well, it's not only that but also OpenOffice isn't disappearing when I hit remove either. I wanted to go LibreOffice instead |
| 10:51.31 | abec0 | jeddi: I did not know about zabbix. Does it need to figre out a recipe for each program it follows ? |
| 10:51.47 | gnarface | doesn't libreoffice uninstall openoffice by default? |
| 10:51.55 | Schala | does it? |
| 10:52.00 | gnarface | Schala: did you try? |
| 10:52.16 | gnarface | Schala: sorry i don't use SW center or whatever that is. i just use apt-get |
| 10:52.19 | jeddi | abec0: it comes with a bunch of built-ins or primitives - such as 'are you alive' - which can be done via an icmp ping - or 'is this service running' where the agent looks in the process list for a specific string (eg httpd or apache2 or sshd etc) .. |
| 10:52.38 | Schala | all I tried was selecting it in the SW Center and hitting Remove -- which does nothing, nor does File->Remove |
| 10:52.40 | themill | Schala: what debian release are you using? |
| 10:52.51 | jeddi | abec0: you can then extend that with some client-side (you need to install the zabbix-agent if you want to do anything even half way sophisticated - but it's safe, stable and lightweight) magic if you want. |
| 10:53.10 | Schala | I downloaded the netboot AMD64 ISO of Squeezy 6.0.2 and running it in Virtual Box |
| 10:53.22 | jeddi | abec0: you can do some cool things with tracking mysql trends, for example. i'm right now adding some recipes for tracking hadoop and some HDFS stats in fact. |
| 10:53.33 | Schala | test driving before I install for real |
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| 10:53.48 | advocatusdiaboli | What is the name of httpd in debian? |
| 10:54.00 | abec0 | OK, so it is a possibly big list of clever-hacks to work around the fact that a system I described earlier does not exist, but it works. Is that it ? ;-) |
| 10:54.27 | Schala | it was good up until finding out apparently SW Center doesn't like removing things |
| 10:54.34 | gnarface | advocatusdiaboli: its called "apache2" if you mean the one that would be called "httpd" in redhat... but (at least in debian) many other packages can satisfy the http-server requirement |
| 10:54.51 | themill | Schala: and you have added backports to the sources.list? (I don't think you'll find many people here who have ever used software centre) |
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| 10:54.59 | zykotick9 | Schala, i'd recommend you stop using SW Center there are other alternatives |
| 10:55.06 | jeddi | abec0: well, 'clever hacks' might not be giving it its due :) |
| 10:55.11 | Schala | hmm |
| 10:55.19 | abec0 | advocatusdiaboli: When you want to restart it, sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart is one way of naming it... ;-) |
| 10:55.20 | jeddi | abec0: but yes, works a treat. SMS's me at 3am when something breaks. always at 3 flippin' am ... |
| 10:55.27 | Schala | Synaptic Pkg Manager? |
| 10:55.32 | abec0 | jeddi: very clever, then ? ;-) |
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| 10:55.55 | themill | Schala: most here would use aptitude; synaptic should work too but isn't nearly as powerful |
| 10:56.02 | abec0 | jeddi: But not respectful of you sleep-cycle ;-) |
| 10:56.03 | jeddi | abec0: certainly worth looking at - it's easy to set up a basic system - very handy if you have a more complex system. i used to use nagios - that's also very good. less gui-ish though for configuration. munin and cacti are two of the other big ones. |
| 10:56.16 | jeddi | abec0: sadly nothing respects my sleep cycles. |
| 10:56.17 | Schala | I am learning Terminal but I prefer a few clicks as opposed to typing commands |
| 10:56.31 | Schala | is Aptitude a GUI? |
| 10:57.00 | zykotick9 | Schala, if you want a GUI Synatic is your best bet |
| 10:57.05 | abec0 | Schala: Are curses-based programs considered GUI ? |
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| 10:57.20 | gnarface | abec0: they are if you run them in emacs terminal :-P |
| 10:57.25 | abec0 | Schala: synaptics work fine, if clicking is you thing. |
| 10:57.26 | Schala | well... something I can click instead of typing |
| 10:57.38 | abec0 | Schala: synaptics workS fine, if clicking is you thing. |
| 10:57.51 | Schala | I mean I compile stuff in terminal, sure but I don't like doing it for routine tasks |
| 10:57.56 | Schala | ok |
| 10:57.59 | abec0 | gnarface: ;) |
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| 10:58.54 | gnarface | Schala: an interesting notion. as i learned to use the console better i started learning to type faster, and as that happened i began to increasingly resent programs that required me to take my hand off the keyboard to move the mouse |
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| 10:59.20 | Schala | well, I have cerebral palsy in my right hand |
| 10:59.23 | abec0 | jeddi: I might very well go see zabbix for myself. You did a good description of the thing. |
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| 10:59.42 | Schala | can't really type fast.... left hand gets sore doing it too much |
| 10:59.42 | gnarface | Schala: that sucks. |
| 10:59.56 | gnarface | Schala: out of curiosity you ever looked into chorded keyboards? |
| 11:00.00 | jeddi | abec0: {deep bow} |
| 11:00.01 | Schala | so I have good reason to prefer clicking I guess |
| 11:00.07 | Schala | chorded? |
| 11:00.08 | gnarface | Schala: they do make one-handed keyboards |
| 11:00.14 | Schala | hmm |
| 11:00.17 | abec0 | ;) |
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| 11:00.51 | gnarface | Schala: google frogpad |
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| 11:01.09 | ipo | hi |
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| 11:01.20 | ipo | how to install my favorite language? |
| 11:01.37 | abec0 | Schala: Use whatever you're comfy with. What is good in Debian is taht both synaptics and aptitude cli are well programmed. |
| 11:01.41 | Schala | ugh... if I want to remove stuff like the mail client, it wants to remove gnome-core and what not |
| 11:01.44 | ipo | not in keyboard! in os! |
| 11:03.05 | gnarface | Schala: it should be noted that most people in here don't use gnome because of its ridiculous dependency tree |
| 11:03.27 | Schala | there's something wrong if Debian wants to uninstall gnome-core and other essentials if all I want to do is remove stuff I'll never use like the games and mail client |
| 11:03.37 | Schala | hmm |
| 11:04.05 | gnarface | Schala: i agree... but its likely to be the gnome packages that are to blame, not "Debian" |
| 11:04.08 | Schala | thing is GTK+ depends on it.... |
| 11:04.50 | gnarface | Schala: again though, i don't know this gui package manager you're using at all, so it may have its own misbehaviors |
| 11:05.17 | Schala | hmm... at login screen it's GNOME, Default, or "TVM" |
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| 11:05.47 | gnarface | Schala: try to remove the package by name at a root terminal with the command "dpkg --purge [package name]" (without the square brackets around the package name, of course) |
| 11:06.02 | themill | that won't help this sort of problem |
| 11:06.06 | gnarface | Schala: you can install others. |
| 11:06.12 | themill | Schala: what specific things are you trying to get rid of? |
| 11:06.35 | Schala | the games, email client and OpenOffice... so far |
| 11:07.05 | Schala | probably more |
| 11:07.21 | zykotick9 | Schala, i'd personally recommend just leaving them installed, and simply removing them from your menu |
| 11:07.40 | Schala | hmm ok |
| 11:07.42 | themill | Schala: those are not specific packages. It's rather hard to help when we don't know what it is you're trying to do. In any case, you're going to need to "unmarkauto" some of the things that you do want; "/msg dpkg remove rhythmbox" for an example of how to do this. |
| 11:08.00 | themill | Schala: It may well be impossible to remove evolution or at least evolution-data-server stuff from a gnome installation. |
| 11:08.37 | Schala | eh well.. my only defensive argument is that it worked on Ubuntu |
| 11:08.57 | themill | neither believes that nor cares |
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| 11:09.50 | Schala | I don't wanna argue that it's better.. just saying there's something amiss if the copycat can do it when the real deal can't |
| 11:09.57 | abec0 | Schala: Anyway, you might give yourself some headaches if you want to go against some (indeed possibly questionable) dependancies, when just leaving them installaed doesn't matter that much... |
| 11:10.16 | Schala | maybe I'll go KDE |
| 11:10.22 | jeddi | if you've come from an ubuntu background you should be used to a raft of unused packages being installed while you're not looking. |
| 11:10.33 | gnarface | Schala: Linus hates gnome and advocates KDE |
| 11:10.46 | abec0 | Schala: ;-). You are playing with Debian fans egos to make them think harder ;-) |
| 11:10.55 | Schala | heh |
| 11:11.06 | abec0 | Whatever works, right ? |
| 11:11.09 | abec0 | ;-) |
| 11:11.11 | gnarface | Schala: i still use enlightenment 0.16 because i don't like my window manager to be a "desktop environment" i just want it to manage windows |
| 11:11.18 | Schala | well I'm new to both, having just got Ubuntu yesterday before being repulsed by it |
| 11:11.28 | themill | Schala: gnome has the same dependencies for gnome-core on evolution. |
| 11:11.36 | themill | Schala: err.... ubuntu has the same dependencies for gnome-core on evolution. |
| 11:11.43 | Schala | odd |
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| 11:12.03 | Schala | well, on Ubuntu, its SW Center actually had a working Remove button |
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| 11:12.26 | abec0 | Anyway if you like to play, you can always leave the pacckage installed and rm -rf everything you don't like ;-) |
| 11:12.39 | themill | Schala: software center is an ubuntu package that was dropped into debian recently. I don't know anyone who has used it. |
| 11:12.49 | gnarface | themill: isn't there some way to do this if gnome-core or whatever the parent main gnome meta-package is was never installed, but the separate gnome packages are just installed individually? i thought i remembered hearing that, granted he'd have to remove everything first probably... |
| 11:12.59 | themill | abec0: err no. seriously, no.# |
| 11:13.02 | gnarface | haha |
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| 11:13.18 | abec0 | themill: Not the playing type ? ;-) |
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| 11:13.24 | gnarface | Schala: do NOT do what abec0 just suggested unless you 1) have a full backup on a separate disk and 2) plan on using it |
| 11:13.42 | Schala | I won't |
| 11:13.48 | abec0 | Good. |
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| 11:14.11 | themill | gnarface: you can umarkauto to deal with some autoremoves yes ("/msg dpkg remove rhythmbox" for an example of what to do); that doesn't help the direct dependency of gnome-core on evolution. |
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| 11:14.18 | abec0 | ;-) |
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| 11:14.24 | Schala | hmm.. uninstalling OpenOffice makes it want to replace it with AbiWord |
| 11:14.41 | themill | gnarface: you can go down to "gnome-session" instead of "gnome-core" of course. |
| 11:14.42 | gnarface | Schala: did you try seeing if installing libreoffice replaces openoffice? |
| 11:15.00 | zykotick9 | gnarface, Schala it will |
| 11:15.07 | themill | Schala: [11:54] <themill> Schala: and you have added backports to the sources.list? |
| 11:15.31 | Schala | in the Update Manager settings I believe so |
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| 11:16.11 | Schala | hmm |
| 11:16.12 | zykotick9 | Schala, see "/msg dpkg install gnome" for some options to install a lighter version of Gnome for a netinstall, i suspect you probably just used cd1/dvd1 |
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| 11:17.02 | Schala | hmm |
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| 11:17.12 | themill | has no idea what the Update Manager settings are |
| 11:17.42 | mah454 | what do dpkg user ? |
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| 11:18.48 | themill | zykotick9: you end up with the same final system no matter which media you install from; the netinstall is not "lighter" in any way. |
| 11:20.15 | zykotick9 | themill, but installing gnome-session gives you a very different Gnome then then "gnome" package installed from cd1 |
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| 11:20.18 | fasta | Does anyone use Ekiga? |
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| 11:20.49 | fasta | The Echotest service doesn't appear to work. Is that normal? |
| 11:21.09 | zykotick9 | themill, Schala i personally use gnome-desktop-environment, i find gnome-core / gnome-session to minimalistic |
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| 11:21.26 | Silicium | W: Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/lenny-backports/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 86.59.118.148 80] |
| 11:21.27 | themill | zykotick9: that is independent of the installer you used. If you install "Desktop task" from any of the CD or DVD images you will get the same thing. Yes, gnome-session is a useful thing to point out; using a different installation disk is irrelevant to the outcome. |
| 11:21.29 | Silicium | debian is b0rked |
| 11:21.33 | Schala | yeah.... anyway, I need to sleep... 4am |
| 11:21.36 | themill | Silicium: no, you don't read instructions. |
| 11:21.46 | Silicium | uh? |
| 11:21.53 | Silicium | --verbose |
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| 11:22.03 | themill | Silicium: that repository doesn't exist |
| 11:22.08 | Silicium | it does |
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| 11:22.47 | zykotick9 | themill, i certainly see your point. I don't remember the option to remove Desktop from the standard cd/dvd install - but I'm SURE you're right ;) |
| 11:22.51 | Silicium | just the index is broken |
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| 11:23.38 | zykotick9 | themill, just to be clear - i was NOT be sarcastic towards you above. |
| 11:23.43 | themill | ;) |
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| 11:24.55 | Iridos | but were you just sarcastic when saying you weren't sarcastic? |
| 11:25.09 | zykotick9 | Iridos, :p |
| 11:25.40 | fasta | How do I control the sound level for my sound input device in Squeeze? |
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| 11:26.11 | streuner__ | alsamixer? |
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| 11:26.41 | streuner__ | ossxmix? |
| 11:27.09 | fasta | streuner: how do I identify the USB microphone then? |
| 11:27.19 | fasta | streuner: (I was already looking at alsamixer) |
| 11:27.39 | fasta | streuner: 'This sound device does not have any playback controls.' |
| 11:28.17 | themill | fasta: press F4 or tab for Capture controls |
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| 11:29.49 | djura-san | hai |
| 11:30.00 | fasta | themill: ok, that helped, but I still don't know how to select the right audio input in for example the sound recorder application. |
| 11:30.13 | fasta | In Skype this is pretty easy. |
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| 11:31.36 | fasta | An application in which all devices just show output levels when you make a sound, would be welcome. |
| 11:31.44 | fasta | I think Pulse has that. |
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| 11:34.04 | jelly | that one's called pavucenter |
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| 11:34.19 | jelly | pavucontrol * |
| 11:35.41 | fasta | Ekiga already works. :) |
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| 11:36.10 | bambanx | why when i open the terminal and i do : ls i see my files highlighted in colors , and when i sign in sudo user, i dont see highlighted ? |
| 11:36.34 | fasta | jelly: does Squeeze even use Pulseaudio? |
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| 11:37.27 | miko | bambax: ls for user has color enable in alias, not root |
| 11:37.29 | Oxy290 | Thanks to ubuntu, alot of documentations and "How To's" dub all administrative accounts as "sudo" -_- I'm sure bambanx means su |
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| 11:37.47 | seb82 | what does bambanx want to do? |
| 11:38.04 | Oxy290 | bambanx: the different colors represent files, configurations, directories and so forth |
| 11:38.06 | streuner | judd, versions pulseaudio |
| 11:38.09 | judd | Package pulseaudio on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.9.10-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.9.21-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.21-3+squeeze1; sid: 0.9.23-1; wheezy: 0.9.23-1; experimental: 0.99.2-2 |
| 11:38.11 | bambanx | yes i know |
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| 11:38.18 | bambanx | but when i am like sudo user |
| 11:38.23 | bambanx | i dont see the color |
| 11:38.24 | bambanx | s |
| 11:38.29 | jelly | fasta: it can if you install it |
| 11:38.29 | bambanx | :/ |
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| 11:38.45 | miko | type sudo alias |
| 11:38.47 | themill | bambanx: sudo ls --color |
| 11:38.50 | zykotick9 | bambanx, see .bashrc and the "enable color support" |
| 11:38.55 | seb82 | how can I channel sound when using rdp on both debian machines? |
| 11:38.57 | bambanx | ok |
| 11:39.21 | themill | bambanx: colour support is enforced through an alias, if you just "sudo command" no aliases are used. |
| 11:39.23 | Oxy290 | How does everyone feel about webmin? |
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| 11:39.52 | streuner | Oxy290: most of us dont like webmin stuff at all. |
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| 11:40.06 | themill | Oxy290: /msg dpkg webmin; that's pretty much the reaction you were told to expect |
| 11:40.40 | fasta | jelly: I am happy with a working sound system. Squeeze works better than Ubuntu in this regard. |
| 11:41.24 | Oxy290 | See <free whcp> for alternatives. what does this mean |
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| 11:41.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Oxy290 about free whcp |
| 11:41.48 | bambanx | ok themill |
| 11:41.58 | streuner | Oxy290: <foo> is a factoid, an entry in the bot |
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| 11:42.12 | seb82 | does anyone know that? |
| 11:42.25 | streuner | Oxy290: just /msg dpkg foo if you want know more about |
| 11:42.47 | Oxy290 | lol you guys are great |
| 11:43.15 | bambanx | men on windows 7 and ubuntu when i plug my notebook on power its begin to overheating , in debian its work well !!! =) |
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| 11:43.35 | bambanx | thanks good for invent debian |
| 11:43.43 | Oxy290 | So I just dont understand what is so "lame" about webmin! |
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| 11:44.44 | mrcarrot | can anyone explain why i can not use quota on / (xfs). i have the same mount options in fstab as for /home and for /home i can set the quota |
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| 11:46.25 | zykotick9 | mrcarrot, i don't use xfs but perhaps this can help you? http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ#Q:_Quota:_Do_quotas_work_on_XFS.3F |
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| 11:48.13 | blackshirt | Turning on quotas on an XFS root filesystem requires the quota mount options be passed into the kernel at boot time through the Linux rootflags boot option. |
| 11:48.52 | blackshirt | To enable quotas on an XFS filesystem, use mount(8) or /etc/fstab quota option to enable both accounting and limit enforcement. quotaon utility cannot be used for this purpose. |
| 11:49.05 | Oxy290 | <Ravencore> |
| 11:49.15 | Oxy290 | lol oops |
| 11:49.27 | streuner | /msg dpkg ravencore |
| 11:49.53 | Oxy290 | yup already read it, would this be a good alternative to webmin? |
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| 11:50.45 | archman | how to run a script from a gnome keyboard shortcuts? i usually use "sudo /path/to/script" in terminal to use the script, but i want to make it run from a shortcut. any way to do it? |
| 11:51.00 | archman | i already made the system to not ask for the password with using visudo, so gksudo isn't needed i guess |
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| 11:52.29 | blackshirt | system --> preferences --> keyboards --> sortcuts |
| 11:52.49 | archman | well, no |
| 11:53.03 | archman | doesn't work |
| 11:53.11 | zykotick9 | archman, does your script require user input (or a terminal window) to run? If so, you could perhaps use "gnome-terminal -e /path/to/script" |
| 11:53.16 | Oxy290 | archman: do you mean shortcuts as in macros? or like quick keys? |
| 11:54.46 | Bushmills | Oxy290: my first job on a BSD system was once to root into it (sysadmin had disappeared, passwords unknown) - i managed to do so through webmin which was installed on that box. |
| 11:54.53 | archman | Oxy290: zykotick9: i want to use ctrl+alt+L to run this script: http://paste.lisp.org/display/124550/raw |
| 11:54.56 | mrcarrot | blackshirt: that it is probably. how do i edit the kernel options with this new grub. there is no menu.lst anymore |
| 11:55.30 | archman | zykotick9: the script waits for the user input, but i think it's listening on the "X level", not the "terminal level" (see script) |
| 11:55.45 | Oxy290 | Bushmills: By using an exploit of some kind? |
| 11:55.54 | Bushmills | not even. |
| 11:56.06 | Oxy290 | Are you pro webmin, or against it? |
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| 11:56.20 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 11:56.21 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 11:56.27 | Oxy290 | lol |
| 11:56.29 | Bushmills | i'm indifferent to it, as long it's not on any of my machines |
| 11:56.37 | blackshirt | mrcarrot : grub.cfg for grub 2 |
| 11:56.50 | Oxy290 | I use debian for experimental purposes |
| 11:57.43 | zykotick9 | mrcarrot, see /etc/default/grub vs grub.cfg suggestion above |
| 11:57.46 | jetscreamer | course right at top of grub.cfg it says do not edit this file.. |
| 11:57.48 | jetscreamer | yadda |
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| 11:58.51 | blackshirt | mrcarrot: yeah, because update-grub2 would "change" grub.cfg "automagically" based on config |
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| 12:00.43 | mrcarrot | grub just becomes worse for each version :/ |
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| 12:00.51 | mrcarrot | "man grub" says nothing |
| 12:00.55 | Oxy290 | Does anyone know of a good managment system for bind apache php mysql dhcp jabber |
| 12:01.24 | mrcarrot | okay, all i know is that i need to edit /etc/grub.d/grub, but no manual telling what format |
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| 12:01.39 | dokma | how do I tell which font is in use in the console? |
| 12:01.41 | themill | mrcarrot: /etc/default/grub is where you set the kernel command line |
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| 12:02.40 | mrcarrot | themill: but how do i just append? without having to put there the whole line |
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| 12:04.12 | archman | zykotick9: well, ok, let's say i can use it that way, but then it asks for the password (since i'm using "sudo") right after running it, even though i have "USER ALL=NOPASSWD:/home/user/.scripts/monitor_off".. |
| 12:04.13 | themill | mrcarrot: you just put in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX whatever you need to... |
| 12:04.45 | dokma | I'm getting a bunch of strange characters in aptitude on my dedicated server but on my desktop it looks fine |
| 12:05.01 | dokma | anyone knows what should I take a look at to see what is differently configured? |
| 12:05.13 | themill | dokma: "strange characters" meaning what? where? |
| 12:05.26 | themill | (and how are you connecting to the server) |
| 12:05.41 | zykotick9 | archman, obviously something isn't right with your sudo setup then, sorry I don't have any suggestions really. Your script to turn off the monitor seems like re-inventing the wheel to me. |
| 12:05.45 | archman | mrcarrot: you add the stuff you need under "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" in /etc/default/grub |
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| 12:06.06 | archman | zykotick9: i have no other working way to turn off the screen... |
| 12:06.18 | dokma | on the dedicated server when I open aptitude in the shell on the lower screen I get some squares and an a with a cap on it where the borders should be on the lower part of the screen |
| 12:06.23 | jelly | dokma: running aptitude inside screen can mess up its graphic characters |
| 12:06.27 | fasta | Is there a standard firewall enabled on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 12:06.36 | themill | !ssh linedraw |
| 12:06.37 | archman | zykotick9: using "xset dpms force off" on debian+gnome is just useless and doesn't work, since it just turns the screen back on randomly |
| 12:06.37 | dpkg | If you've got strange characters from curses based interfaces (like mc, aptitude or debconf), then make sure you have a UTF-8 encoding specified for your locale, and use a unicode font in your terminal that has good support for linedraw characters. Ask me about <locales>. If you're using putty, ask me about <putty linedraw>. |
| 12:06.42 | dokma | I am not inside screen |
| 12:06.43 | themill | dokma: ^^ |
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| 12:07.07 | dokma | ahhh... I see |
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| 12:07.25 | dokma | where are these things specified so I can compare the server and desktop??? |
| 12:07.26 | themill | dokma: there are 3 (4?) things that you need to get right for it all to work. |
| 12:07.36 | archman | zykotick9: how do you think i should turn the laptop screen off? |
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| 12:07.48 | themill | dokma: make sure you've got the same locales sorted at the remote end |
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| 12:12.39 | Bushmills | Oxy290: "good managment system.." bash |
| 12:13.11 | zykotick9 | archman, perhaps your script is the way to go. Just fix the sudo stuff, or use perhaps you could use gksu/gksudo to get a GUI popup for the password? "xset dpms force off" certainly turns the monitor off on my desktop running squeeze with Gnome (not sure if it turns back on or not). |
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| 12:14.11 | Oxy290 | replace good for convenient |
| 12:14.43 | fasta | How can I verify that a certain port is open? |
| 12:14.48 | petemc | netstat |
| 12:14.52 | Bushmills | fasta: "open"? |
| 12:15.01 | petemc | or telnet to it from another host |
| 12:15.01 | Bushmills | as in, a service bound to it? |
| 12:15.19 | Oxy290 | canyouseeme.org |
| 12:15.23 | TheCoffeMaker | fasta, use nmap or zenmap if you want a gui |
| 12:15.28 | fasta | Bushmills: I mean that nothing is actually blocking it. |
| 12:15.52 | fasta | I opened the ports in my router, but Ekiga has some test services, which don't call me back. |
| 12:15.53 | themill | Oxy290: many find quickly editing a config file a lot more convenient than wading through all the crap that any webmin or alternative offers as a supposedly intuitive gui. And as a bonus, you end up actually understanding what you're doing. |
| 12:15.56 | Bushmills | fasta: try to use the service bound to that port. maybe tcpdump inbound traffic to it |
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| 12:17.36 | fasta | Ok, at least one port is working. |
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| 12:24.52 | Iridos | themill, so do I, but what about systems where email/webpage etc is done with virtual users in an sql database? How does one manage those without something like webmin? SQL client syntax isn't so much fun either? |
| 12:25.56 | Iridos | fasta, it's useful to have a server outside for testing those router things :) hence the ekiga test-call... |
| 12:26.10 | petemc | if you want to use a database then knowing some sql is generally a good idea |
| 12:26.11 | themill | managing users is something quite different to managing the entire system; things like ldap have nice front-ends you can use for that part |
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| 12:26.55 | fasta | Iridos: yes, but the ekiga test-call doesn't actually work. |
| 12:27.06 | fasta | Iridos: I can call an echo server, but I cannot be called. |
| 12:27.40 | fasta | Iridos: I also cannot access my router via ssh or something like that to actually see what is going on. |
| 12:27.55 | Iridos | themill, wondering because I saw that on a system and the guy said he doesn't like webmin either (I think it was webmin, not 100% sure right now)... but I don't know what to suggest to him... |
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| 12:28.53 | archman | zykotick9: it won't run with gksudo, i gotta fix it so it doesn't ask for the password. and which video-intel you got? .15 or .13? |
| 12:29.04 | Oxy290 | Anyone have any good jabber how tos available, never played with this service before |
| 12:29.25 | archman | zykotick9: oh, my bad, maybe you're not using intel gpu, nvm :) |
| 12:30.10 | Iridos | fasta, actually this is a bit offtopic for #d, as your router most probably doesn't run debian... but ... I wonder what router it is - mine actually has VOIP functions - which means that it receives all packets on the voip ports itself and there's no way to let packets through to the computer behind it (so I just configured the router and attached a phone to it, but it's a bit annoying) |
| 12:30.25 | Bushmills | Oxy290: ejabberd is easier to setup than jabberd and has a web config/admin interface |
| 12:30.46 | Bushmills | other than that, create an account, using a client of your choice, and play |
| 12:31.14 | Oxy290 | pidgin appropriate? |
| 12:31.18 | Bushmills | yes |
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| 12:49.09 | fasta | Iridos: I have been able to call myself from another machine on the same LAN. Does that mean it works? |
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| 12:49.22 | fasta | Iridos: i.e., getting calls from outside the network too? |
| 12:49.41 | miko | fasta: there may be a problem on ekiga server : neither test echo nor call-me work |
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| 12:49.50 | miko | but test echo on an other is ok. |
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| 12:56.11 | skilz | So some reason, my /etc/resolv.conf file have been re generated at reboot |
| 12:56.18 | skilz | The settings I put in are gone |
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| 12:57.12 | Oxy290 | why does debian name each release after toy story characters? |
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| 12:59.16 | dkr | because someone suggested it and other people agreed |
| 12:59.33 | sep | http://wiki.debian.org/ToyStory |
| 12:59.59 | sep | and the dpl worked for pixar |
| 13:00.23 | Oxy290 | 0ooohh! nifty, thanks for the info people! = |
| 13:00.40 | mosno | can't wait for the Barbie release |
| 13:00.41 | mosno | :D |
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| 13:00.57 | streuner | Oxy290: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
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| 13:01.50 | mosno | hopefully we stay away from the longer names "yeah i'm running debian lots-o-huggin bear" -- could get awkward |
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| 13:03.46 | dkr | I wonder if we will have a Mom release |
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| 13:04.21 | themill | dpkg, no toy story is <reply> The names of the Debian releases (buzz, rex, woody, ...) are the characters from the "Toy Story" animated movie. Toy Story was released by Pixar November 22nd, 1995; one year later Debian 1.1 was released. Bruce Perens was the <Debian Project Leader> at the time and also worked for Pixar. See http://wiki.debian.org/ToyStory and <release history>. |
| 13:04.22 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 13:05.12 | Oxy290 | lol thank you for that |
| 13:05.26 | dkr | cool, because asking dpkg was the first thing I did actually. :) |
| 13:05.41 | sep | Oxy290, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 13:05.43 | Oxy290 | So, where did this guy get the time x.x pixar and debian?! |
| 13:06.00 | dkr | Oxy290: the internets |
| 13:06.04 | themill | Oxy290: most people working on debian stuff also have a day job... |
| 13:06.38 | Oxy290 | Well yeah i would suppose, but pixar, at the time of Toy Story's debut, would seem like a very demanding job |
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| 13:07.42 | mosno | i'm surprised "wheezy" was chosen so early... seems like a good one to leave for last with the emphysema references and all |
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| 13:08.47 | Oxy290 | okay so while doing some research i stumbled upon this statement " The advantage of using the unstable distribution is that you are always up-to-date with the latest in GNU/Linux software industry, but if it breaks: you get to keep both parts :-) " and i dont get the obviously intended pun... |
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| 13:10.15 | debiantonio | hu? |
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| 13:10.25 | jeddi | Oxy290: the idea is that when things break, they break into two different pieces. |
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| 13:27.16 | kel888 | hi, going to be a dumb question... but I have Googled how to set the system time on Debian 6.0, with some luck. The date reported by root and all my users is in the timezone I want it to be in, however cron's are running really weirdly, one is set to go at 1800 and its going at 2130. Any ideas? how do I change the system time properly? I ran tzselect and then modified /etc/timezone |
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| 13:27.50 | themill | kel888: are you actually running with anacron not cron? |
| 13:28.03 | themill | ,info anacron |
| 13:28.03 | judd | Package anacron (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: cron-like program that doesn't go by time. Version: 2.3-14; Size: 29.4k; Installed: 212k |
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| 13:28.24 | kel888 | x86_64 here |
| 13:28.37 | kel888 | ill check though themill |
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| 13:29.16 | kel888 | no, cron |
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| 13:29.56 | kel888 | i havent modified anything apart from the hostname and timezone on the machine themill. I'm just testing with perl files, so perl is installed too |
| 13:31.03 | kel888 | well actually themill, the perl script is saying when it was executed on the output (its pisg fyi). I *assume* perl gets the system time? |
| 13:31.38 | dokma | how do I turn off these annoying 'this one left #debian, this one entered #debain' ??? |
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| 13:31.56 | kel888 | what irc client dokma? |
| 13:32.04 | themill | dokma: ask in #kvirc |
| 13:32.31 | themill | kel888: how did you set the timezone for your users and root etc? |
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| 13:32.59 | kel888 | themill: I didn't, I just edited /etc/timezone and then rebooted it |
| 13:33.12 | kel888 | the time is displayed properly with date |
| 13:33.19 | themill | ahh... that's not necessarily enough |
| 13:33.22 | themill | !tz |
| 13:33.22 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 13:33.45 | kel888 | that has my timezone |
| 13:33.50 | kel888 | as already selected |
| 13:33.51 | jean-louis | bonjour |
| 13:33.59 | themill | kel888: /etc/timezone is the human-readable version of the TZ info; /etc/localtime is the machine readable. |
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| 13:34.33 | jean-louis | est-ce que quelqu'un peut m'aider à installer une imprimante hp? |
| 13:34.41 | kel888 | themill: I just ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and it already had it selected. I've changed it now again anyway |
| 13:35.16 | kel888 | would there be any other reason ? |
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| 13:35.49 | themill | kel888: tz confusion is normally related to that. |
| 13:36.13 | kel888 | ? |
| 13:36.18 | themill | kel888: oh... do you dual boot with some other operating system? do you have your bios clock set to UTC? |
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| 13:36.43 | themill | jean-louis: #debian-fr or in english here |
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| 13:37.00 | kel888 | BIOS clock is set to UTC, yes. I also edited some file (rc5?) where it said use UTC = yes, I changed that to no. |
| 13:37.06 | kel888 | I don't dual boot, its a VPS |
| 13:37.43 | kel888 | rcS |
| 13:37.44 | themill | umm.... you want UTC=yes if your bios clock is in UTC |
| 13:37.58 | kel888 | well, I'm not 100% sure themill.. |
| 13:38.05 | kel888 | can I execute a command to find out? |
| 13:38.29 | kel888 | also would it matter to cron? because date says the correct time when ran as any user |
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| 13:39.35 | kel888 | giving it a reboot after editing /etc/default/rcS |
| 13:39.42 | kel888 | will let you know if that changes anything |
| 13:39.44 | themill | also install ntp |
| 13:39.51 | kel888 | ok |
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| 13:41.32 | kel888 | yeah ntp was already installed |
| 13:41.39 | kel888 | do I need to set it up or what? |
| 13:41.47 | themill | should just do its thing |
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| 13:43.18 | bambanx | how i can add the last repository for wine 1.3 ? |
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| 13:44.15 | Se4 | looking for some help with a apache/php library issue, where it is unable to find the library. |
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| 13:44.33 | Se4 | Here is the of my apache error log: http://pastebin.com/RvUe8uZ3 |
| 13:45.07 | Se4 | It looks like the libraries are installed just in a different directory: http://pastebin.com/Bu6LtRCY |
| 13:46.09 | Se4 | I have been testing my google fu and all that I have been able to come up with is to comment out the extension setting in the php.ini, but when I grep through all the .ini files in the /etc/php5 dir this is all I get: http://pastebin.com/3YXqhRaR |
| 13:46.17 | Se4 | which seems fine. |
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| 13:46.50 | themill | Se4: there is something very wrong with your php configuration there. That looks like an RHEL configuration not a debian one |
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| 13:47.06 | kel888 | yeah still not running themill |
| 13:47.17 | kel888 | themill: do you want the output of crontab -l ? |
| 13:47.23 | themill | kel888: what's the output of "date -u; date" |
| 13:47.27 | kel888 | 2 secs |
| 13:47.43 | kel888 | Thu Sep 8 13:45:32 UTC 2011 |
| 13:47.44 | kel888 | Thu Sep 8 23:15:32 CST 2011 |
| 13:48.01 | Se4 | bambanx, have you looked here http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu I know it's for ubuntu but it should be the same |
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| 13:48.19 | themill | kel888: that looks fine, so at least that's sorted out. |
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| 13:48.32 | kel888 | (it was like that before, :P) |
| 13:48.48 | bambanx | i am looking |
| 13:48.50 | bambanx | thanks |
| 13:48.52 | themill | if you had UTC=no then you had a very confused system |
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| 13:50.16 | Se4 | themill, well that would make sense, I just restored some virtual servers using virtualmin that where on a centos box. |
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| 13:50.30 | themill | ugh. |
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| 13:51.17 | Se4 | themill, can just you point in the direction of which files need to be fixed, are they my php.ini files? |
| 13:51.18 | themill | Se4: I have no idea where virtualmin tells apache and php to find their ini files. I probably don't really want to know either, tbh. But at least you know what you're looking for now. |
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| 13:51.27 | Mjwear1 | Why is it when I installed dancer-ircd, I can't get it to listen on port 80. Most other ports work fine.. |
| 13:51.30 | themill | Se4: yes, it will be a php.ini somewhere. |
| 13:51.58 | kel888 | themill: its working now, my local system clock is just fast by 3mins lol |
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| 13:52.01 | kel888 | thanks man |
| 13:52.03 | Se4 | themill: well at least I know whay my issue is. thanks for the help. |
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| 13:52.30 | themill | kel888: actually, your server clock was about 2 min slow from what you pasted. ntp should sort that out for you though... |
| 13:52.40 | coolforyou | hi alll |
| 13:52.42 | kel888 | ah |
| 13:52.46 | kel888 | do i need to run any commands? |
| 13:52.55 | kel888 | because its still slow according to google |
| 13:53.20 | coolforyou | i am newbie to linux , many advice me to learn debian -which is the best linux Os for server . |
| 13:53.48 | Arafangion | coolforyou: What do you mean by "best"? |
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| 13:54.07 | kel888 | debian is great for newbs, but id recommend ubuntu which is based off debian. |
| 13:54.13 | kel888 | awaits to be flamed |
| 13:54.25 | Arafangion | kel888: Ubuntu is based on debian? Surely you jest! |
| 13:54.28 | coolforyou | hi Aranf , best in the sense reliable ans secure |
| 13:54.29 | themill | kel888: "invoke-rc.d ntp restart"; but what sorts of VPS is this? |
| 13:54.44 | kel888 | themill: openvz |
| 13:54.45 | Arafangion | coolforyou: Ah, I think OpenBSD is pretty good there, no? |
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| 13:55.00 | kel888 | Arafangion: more or less mate... it's easier for newbs ;) |
| 13:55.27 | themill | kel888: hmm.. I have no idea if you can actually use ntp inside openvz... you might be tied to the host time source. |
| 13:55.43 | kel888 | alright, no probs |
| 13:55.46 | kel888 | its not that far off |
| 13:55.54 | kel888 | Thu Sep 8 13:53:46 UTC 2011 |
| 13:55.56 | kel888 | right now |
| 13:55.58 | coolforyou | @araf may be , but i heard many saying debain is the best option for servers .hi kel888 |
| 13:56.27 | Arafangion | coolforyou: I'm trying to point out that you're asking a pointless question. |
| 13:56.55 | kel888 | Arafangion: thats true :) |
| 13:57.00 | kel888 | anyway, thanks all |
| 13:57.00 | coolforyou | i am sorry araf :( |
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| 13:58.04 | coolforyou | hi kel888 , thanks for suggesting ubuntu , but is there any dfifference between debian and ubuntu |
| 13:58.27 | Arafangion | coolforyou: Ubuntu is less reliable, and more likely to explode when you do an upgrade. :) |
| 13:58.30 | coolforyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.46 | Arafangion | coolforyou: But it works out of the box with less configuration - usuallly. |
| 13:59.27 | Ryccardo | coolforyou: they are based on the same kernel: different starting points but they can be turned into the other (with technical knowledge & ability of course) |
| 13:59.46 | coolforyou | oh that's very informative , so shall i start linux journey from debian @araf |
| 14:00.19 | coolforyou | thanks for the info Ryccardo :) |
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| 14:02.21 | coolforyou | i have a very silly doubt , i went to debian site for downloading DVD image , but there are about 8 dvd's , do i need to download all of them ? sorry for my noobie question |
| 14:02.32 | Arafangion | Not at all. |
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| 14:03.31 | coolforyou | thanks ARAF , can you please suggest which dvd i have to download for installing debian ? not the packages , may be i will install later ? |
| 14:03.47 | Arafangion | coolforyou: The first one is heaps. |
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| 14:03.56 | coolforyou | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 14:04.08 | Arafangion | coolforyou: But we usually recommend that you go even smaller, go for the CD ISO, or heck, even the netinst images. |
| 14:04.27 | Arafangion | personally likes using the DVD, though - only the first one though! |
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| 14:05.01 | Ryccardo | How do you make Debian "faster"? The main "problem" is that my system only has a Pentium 3 733MHz with 256MB RAM. |
| 14:05.01 | Ryccardo | Xfce+Iceweasel is very slow. Command line (init=bash, singleuser, virtual tty and even x terminal emus) is quite fast… |
| 14:05.02 | Ryccardo | Pretty much the only stuff I need to do is text+GUI web browsing and printing+scanning from an HP Deskjet F2200 (USB). |
| 14:05.05 | coolforyou | ooh that 's really very informative araf , so in cd image the first one is the heap right |
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| 14:05.28 | Arafangion | Ryccardo: Use chromium-browser instead. |
| 14:05.53 | Ryccardo | I'll try, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 14:06.54 | karlpinc | coolforyou: The netinstall is recomended. |
| 14:07.16 | Mjwear1 | Could someone help me understand why my IRCd will not listen on port "80" |
| 14:07.24 | karlpinc | coolforyou: The netinstall requires less post-install configuration, and saves bandwidth. |
| 14:07.25 | Mjwear1 | Or point me int he right direction |
| 14:07.33 | coolforyou | @arar , there are abuot 52 cd images , so shall i use the first one ? @Karlpinc , i don't know how to do netinstall :( |
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| 14:07.48 | kasia | Hello. |
| 14:07.55 | karlpinc | coolforyou: Same way you do all the other installs. Burn to cd or copy to usb stick and boot. |
| 14:08.04 | karlpinc | !tell coolforyou about ig |
| 14:08.27 | Ryccardo | You'll have to have a supported wired network. |
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| 14:08.47 | karlpinc | !tell coolforyou about firmware images |
| 14:09.06 | jeddi | Mjwear1: is something already listening on 80? apache, say. |
| 14:09.10 | coolforyou | thanks a lot Karlpinc ... i will read the installation guide |
| 14:09.11 | coolforyou | :) |
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| 14:09.14 | jeddi | Mjwear1: 'telnet localhost 80' will confirm / deny |
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| 14:09.24 | karlpinc | Ryccardo: But then you'll need a supported wifi network or a wired network no matter what the install method. |
| 14:09.34 | kasia | I would like to ask. What package does automaticly find Keyboard shortcuts? For example volume, audio player controls etc. |
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| 14:10.51 | karlpinc | coolforyou: You may or may not need to pay attention to the non-free firmware section -- or just use the unofficial install images that include non-free firmware. |
| 14:10.55 | Ryccardo | karlpinc: really? I once installed and used (a different distribution) offline... |
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| 14:11.35 | kasia | Gyus? |
| 14:11.38 | karlpinc | Ryccardo: Well, yah. If you never need to connect to a network then you don't need networking. Otherwise, you'll need it right away anyway for additional packages, security updates, etc. |
| 14:11.39 | kasia | *guys |
| 14:11.53 | coolforyou | yes yes sure Karlpinc |
| 14:11.59 | Ryccardo | well, that's right :) |
| 14:12.17 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: Apache2 is listening on 8080, already did lsof |
| 14:12.21 | karlpinc | kasia: Keyboard shortcuts are application and desktop specific. |
| 14:12.27 | coolforyou | of course i will go with free distro Karlpinc |
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| 14:12.56 | Ryccardo | coolforyou: "free as in freedom" |
| 14:13.03 | kasia | karlpinc: I mean Xfce. I installed some day that volume, backlight and audio controles worked out of the box. |
| 14:13.08 | karlpinc | coolforyou: You may need the binary firmware blobs (see wikipedia for firmware explanations) to get your hardware to work. Or you'll need to replace hardware. |
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| 14:13.40 | coolforyou | oh really ? will check out my hardware for firmaware |
| 14:13.42 | karlpinc | kasia: Then you need to ask about xfce shortcuts. (Someone here might know, or ask in an xfce channel.) |
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| 14:13.56 | karlpinc | coolforyou: The best way to check it is to try the install. :) True. |
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| 14:14.03 | kasia | karlpinc: Because of it I ask here... Damn. |
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| 14:15.18 | coolforyou | karlpinc , totay is my first day knowing about this debian and installation , so i will learn the docs and will install it later my friend |
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| 14:15.52 | skilz | Anyone know how I could write a count down timer clock for a specific date and time? Say Friday, 21 December 2012 at 11:11:11 AM (UTC time)? |
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| 14:16.03 | karlpinc | coolforyou: You could just try it and ask here as you go, if you've another computer you can use for irc while you install. |
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| 14:16.18 | karlpinc | skilz: "at" won't work? |
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| 14:16.59 | coolforyou | i have only one computer friend :( |
| 14:17.07 | skilz | karlpinc, I Have no idea how do do it, I want to write a script and then I execute it in the terminal it shows it counting down to the date |
| 14:17.32 | coolforyou | @karl i have only one computer friend :( |
| 14:17.42 | karlpinc | skilz: Use "sleep" and write a loop. Beyond that it's a programming question and offtopic here. |
| 14:17.52 | karlpinc | coolforyou: Then the install guide will help. |
| 14:18.13 | skilz | karlpinc, Where is the best place to ask? #bash ? |
| 14:18.28 | nitzs | I want to use mpg123 as the default music player so that when I open a music file in pcmanfm, mpg123 starts playing it in a console window. How do I do this? |
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| 14:18.50 | karlpinc | skilz: I don't know. You could probably get a programming tuitorial via google. |
| 14:18.50 | coolforyou | yes karl :) , any way i will try to arrange my brothers system by tommorrow and then i will install and ask question here .. thanks a lot karl |
| 14:19.11 | jeddi | Mjwear1: i'd still confirm this via 'telnet localhost 80' |
| 14:19.31 | jeddi | Mjwear1: otherwise we'd need to see the ircd log where it provides a reason for it being unable to start on port 80. |
| 14:19.44 | karlpinc | coolforyou: You could just try it. Since you're new, see the <introduction> and <overview> factoids below. |
| 14:19.48 | karlpinc | !tell coolforyou about introduction |
| 14:19.53 | karlpinc | !tell coolforyou about overview |
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| 14:20.06 | coolforyou | sure karl . :) |
| 14:20.19 | karlpinc | Mjwear1: Or use "netstat -l". |
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| 14:21.23 | karlpinc | !tell coolforyou about rg |
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| 14:21.37 | karlpinc | !tell coolforyou about reference |
| 14:22.04 | Mjwear1 | How do I run a program as root? I tried sudo, but it's still getting permission denied errors to listen on port 80 |
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| 14:22.08 | karlpinc | coolforyou: At some point you stop reading and just try it. That will help you remember things too. |
| 14:23.01 | jeddi | Mjwear1: once off - sudo bash / su - root ... then run the app. or suid it (though this doesn't work with bash scripts) |
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| 14:23.15 | jeddi | Mjwear1: cron - use the sixth field. |
| 14:23.19 | jeddi | Mjwear1: depends on context, really. |
| 14:23.35 | Ryccardo | ^ an ircd |
| 14:23.37 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: I'm logged into SSH via root |
| 14:23.49 | jeddi | Mjwear1: then everything you run will run as root. |
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| 14:24.00 | jeddi | Mjwear1: unless it has suid privs set to it (and a different owner) |
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| 14:24.02 | karlpinc | !tell Mjwear1 about logs |
| 14:24.16 | coolforyou | wooooooow that was really a good guidance for me karl , thanks a lot , sure i will read the doc s and parallely will install |
| 14:24.27 | Mjwear1 | Then why would I get a permission denied error when starting it. [2011/09/08 14.20] binding listener socket localhost.[localhost./80]:Permission denied |
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| 14:24.56 | jeddi | Mjwear1: who owns the ircd binary? |
| 14:25.04 | jeddi | Mjwear1: and is it suid? |
| 14:25.05 | Mjwear1 | Uh, installed via apt-get |
| 14:25.38 | fasta | How do I make ssh server completion work for all servers? For some reason only a few are completed. I am using the bash-completion package, which I have enabled too. |
| 14:26.01 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: I'm not sure. I installed it via Debian's apt-get install and didn't touch it.. |
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| 14:26.16 | themill | fasta: things in /etc/hosts and ~/.ssh/config are tab completed |
| 14:26.19 | fasta | It seems to work for everything in known_hosts, but some host to which I already connected it not in my known_hosts list. |
| 14:26.21 | jeddi | Mjwear1: it's possible the daemon launches as a different (non-root) user. |
| 14:26.42 | fasta | themill: do you know how I add a server to the known_hosts file automatically when I login to it? |
| 14:26.42 | jeddi | Mjwear1: i'm assuming you're trying to run this via /etc/init.d/{ircdaemonname} start .. yeah? |
| 14:26.52 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: Ya, that's right. |
| 14:27.14 | jeddi | fasta: you can do ssh-copy-id with some param from memory that forces it over there non-interactively. |
| 14:27.15 | themill | fasta: adding to ~/.ssh/known_hosts happens automatically. The entries are normally hashed to not reveal what machines you are able to connect to. |
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| 14:27.37 | jeddi | fasta: apologies. i meant ssh-keyscan. |
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| 14:28.24 | jeddi | Mjwear1: time to dig into the /etc/init.d/{ircdaemonname} script and find the daemon then look at how it's spawned ... |
| 14:28.57 | karlpinc | jeddi: He never did post the logs or say whether there's something else listening on 80. |
| 14:28.59 | jeddi | Mjwear1: it sounds like it's spawning it as a different user - which is ideal, safe, nice, and quite normal and expected on a real operating system like debian - and that user won't have access to bind to ports under 1024. |
| 14:29.04 | jeddi | karlpinc: i know. |
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| 14:29.29 | jeddi | karlpinc: certainly the first thing i'd do to troubleshoot this is 'telnet localhost 80' to *rule out* that there wasn't something there. |
| 14:29.30 | karlpinc | jeddi: Well, one thing at a time. You can't help unless he's going to answer questions. |
| 14:29.43 | jeddi | karlpinc: but not everyone trusts people with decades of troubleshooting experience. |
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| 14:30.02 | jeddi | karlpinc: the 'permission denied' error doesnt look like it is being refused beause the port is in use, however. |
| 14:30.20 | karlpinc | jeddi: Agreed. |
| 14:30.30 | Ryccardo | he said on #linux that he set Apache to 8080 |
| 14:30.35 | karlpinc | jeddi: You could also ask for his "id" output. |
| 14:30.36 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: is there any way to determine what user is running a program? I have no knowledge of whatever language it was coded in.. |
| 14:30.47 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: and then give that user more privileges? |
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| 14:31.06 | themill | Mjwear1: can I ask why you want to run and ircd and why you want it on :80? |
| 14:31.14 | jeddi | Mjwear1: you could continue to bind to port 6667 (or whatever) - run the daemon normally - confirm it's working - and then do 'ps auxwww | grep {daemon name}' |
| 14:31.16 | Ryccardo | "ps" I think, there's probably an account dedicated to every daemon |
| 14:31.27 | jeddi | Mjwear1: that will show you who owns the process. |
| 14:31.30 | Mjwear1 | themill: NO clue, I'm just the IT guy |
| 14:31.39 | fasta | themill: I logged in to the machine multiple times now, but while some other entries are there for that machine it is not listed. |
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| 14:31.43 | themill | Mjwear1: err... that's really the wrong answer. |
| 14:31.49 | jeddi | on many levels. |
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| 14:32.07 | themill | fasta: as I said, that file should be obfuscated. |
| 14:32.09 | Mjwear1 | themill: I realize that. |
| 14:32.14 | bartmon | Hi! Is there a nice signal to send to Firefox to kill it via a shell? So it won't think it crashed? |
| 14:32.19 | fasta | themill: yes, but completion should work, right? |
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| 14:32.25 | themill | fasta: it can't. |
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| 14:32.32 | coolforyou | @karl , do you have any guide for installing debian using USB live ? |
| 14:32.39 | fasta | themill: ah, you meant it like that. |
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| 14:32.50 | themill | fasta: if you want bash_completion to learn new hosts, stick them in ~/.ssh/config |
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| 14:33.06 | fasta | themill: ok |
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| 14:33.29 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: dancer is the user, can I give them root priveleges? |
| 14:33.41 | bartmon | Well, I'm sorry about that. I did in fact mean to write Iceweasel. |
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| 14:33.51 | jeddi | Mjwear1: this sounds like a very convoluted and dangerous way to achieve a very dodgy result. |
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| 14:34.16 | fasta | themill: thanks. Basically this is security against some kind of ssh virus, right? |
| 14:34.39 | jeddi | Mjwear1: it'd be nice - as someone alluded to earlier - to know what the actual problem is you're trying to solve. |
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| 14:35.11 | jeddi | Mjwear1: the way you're doing this seems more complex than it needs to be. and no, i'm not sure how you'd change that easily, other than mung the /etc/init.d/ script - but that breaks your upgrade path. |
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| 14:36.00 | themill | fasta: sort of, yes. |
| 14:36.03 | coolforyou | how to install debian using usb live , can any one help me ? please |
| 14:36.10 | fasta | When I click on Locations -> Personal folder, it gets opened via VLC. How can I open it via Nautilus? |
| 14:37.35 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: I'll try and figure out what the reasoning behind "80" is. |
| 14:37.54 | jeddi | Mjwear1: usually it's an arbitrary restriction placed on a corporate firewall. |
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| 14:38.17 | debiantonio | coolforyou, http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 14:38.33 | jeddi | Mjwear1: my point is it may be easier to work out how to open 6667 (say) rather than break things by running irc over the (usually) http port. |
| 14:38.35 | Ryccardo | Mjwear1: ports <1000 are standardized and supposed to only have a specific service on them |
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| 14:39.54 | Mjwear1 | jeddi: that would make sense. I'll see what can be done. |
| 14:41.14 | debiantonio | coolforyou, see also: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 14:46.21 | fasta | Never mind. |
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| 14:52.22 | karlpinc | coolforyou: But why install from a live image? Why not from the netinstall? |
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| 14:53.37 | karlpinc | coolforyou: (Also you're going to have to ask specific questions. "Help I wan't to install." does not give people the information they need to help you. |
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| 14:58.23 | jadew | hey guys, I have an older kernel and I can't seem to be able to install stuff anymore, because it says I have a failed dependency, needing libc6 (= 2.7-18) and that I have to install the 2.7-18 kernel |
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| 14:58.45 | jadew | problem is, I can't find a 2.7 linux-image in the repositories |
| 14:58.56 | jadew | so how should I approach this? |
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| 14:59.22 | wols | ,versions libc6 |
| 14:59.22 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.13-18; sid: 2.13-19 |
| 14:59.28 | themill | jadew: umm... can we have the full output of whatever you're talking abou tin a pastebin please? There is no and never will be a 2.7 kernel. |
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| 14:59.34 | wols | judd: which debian and which kernel? uname -r |
| 14:59.50 | asdjaputra | judd is a bot |
| 14:59.51 | wols | jadew: which debian and which kernel uname -r |
| 14:59.53 | jadew | gonna pastebin in a moment |
| 15:00.15 | judd | wols: umm... I'm not sure. I'm just a bot. |
| 15:00.51 | wols | themill: is it me or did it take awfull long to react? maybe it has doubts if it's still a bot? skynet-syndrome? |
| 15:00.52 | Iridos | judd, well done |
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| 15:00.55 | jadew | http://pastebin.com/pSRZsf7S |
| 15:01.02 | jadew | there it is |
| 15:01.12 | asdjaputra | could ella be a replacement for adobe flash? |
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| 15:01.36 | wols | asdjaputra: gnash or swfdec is |
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| 15:01.51 | judd | thanks, Iridos |
| 15:01.57 | Iridos | yw |
| 15:02.07 | asdjaputra | not that, the one like macromedia flash 8 |
| 15:02.10 | asdjaputra | the animator |
| 15:03.21 | jadew | any ideas on what that failed dependency is about? |
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| 15:03.41 | asdjaputra | jadew, are you running on lenny? |
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| 15:04.29 | themill | jadew: and "apt-get -f install" does what? |
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| 15:04.41 | jadew | asdjaputra, I don't know which version it is, don't know the codenames |
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| 15:05.00 | jadew | themill, didn't try it, I suspect it won't fail installing it |
| 15:05.09 | jadew | but I don't want to install a broken package |
| 15:05.10 | asdjaputra | jadew, 5.0? |
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| 15:05.38 | Iridos | judd, versions libc6-i686 |
| 15:05.39 | themill | jadew: I suspect that you also need to "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
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| 15:05.41 | asdjaputra | try using the official "lenny main contrib non-free", maybe you included unstable? |
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| 15:06.07 | jadew | let me check my repo list, altho I don't think I went for unstable |
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| 15:07.42 | bambanx | how i can fix a broken package ? |
| 15:08.02 | Iridos | how'd he ever get that in the first place, I wonder |
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| 15:08.12 | Iridos | bambanx, find out what's broken, mend it |
| 15:08.30 | Ryccardo | another package has Breaks: yourpackage in the control file |
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| 15:08.50 | Iridos | (you ask a generic question, you get a generic answer... ask more specific questions if you like to get specific answers) |
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| 15:14.52 | Prolac | hi, how can I check which version of some program is in the repos? |
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| 15:15.09 | sephii | Prolac: apt-cache policy yourpackage |
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| 15:15.34 | asdjaputra | ye |
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| 15:15.46 | fantastic001 | hi, i want to install debian but from stretch , without kernel , cron, syslog etc , i want to make all manualy but i want to have apt installed, i know there is expert install but it has kernel etc, is there anything more from stretch but with apt , i am using gentoo but i have not very much time to spend for compiling software and i need anything distro with bin packages but from stretch like Gentoo |
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| 15:16.11 | mosno | FreeNET: you mean "scratch" |
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| 15:16.21 | asdjaputra | fantastic001, without kernel, with apt? |
| 15:16.24 | asdjaputra | is that even possible? |
| 15:16.37 | FreeNET | Slaps mosno |
| 15:16.38 | FreeNET | ? |
| 15:16.41 | asdjaputra | fantastic001, get the source and compile it with gentoo's manual |
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| 15:16.54 | fantastic001 | in gentoo it is, there is emerge and portage but there is not kernel |
| 15:16.56 | mosno | FreeNET: huh? |
| 15:17.02 | asdjaputra | :D nick tab-complete |
| 15:17.28 | jadew | themill, safe-upgrade did the job, thank you |
| 15:17.48 | fantastic001 | mosno: yes, i mean scratch |
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| 15:18.05 | themill | jadew: no worries. It might be time to put your lenny->squeeze upgrade plan into action too, btw. You about about 5 months of lenny security support left; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 15:18.28 | asdjaputra | wth |
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| 15:18.28 | mosno | fantastic001: if you're time-constrained, stay away from LFS |
| 15:18.28 | HD|Laptop | i have mounted a ext3 container file using -o=sync,rw,loop but still the system caches (free -m the value of "shared" goes up) |
| 15:18.38 | HD|Laptop | how do i disable caching at all?! |
| 15:18.48 | iKiro | is there a good way to ssh to a machine and open multiple sessions on it? |
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| 15:19.00 | iKiro | err, multiple terminals |
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| 15:19.09 | fantastic001 | mosno: i am installing debian because i don't have much time for spending for compiling |
| 15:19.19 | fantastic001 | i have time now to install debian |
| 15:19.20 | bambanx | guys how i can fix a broken package? |
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| 15:19.24 | fantastic001 | but later... |
| 15:19.25 | themill | iKiro: there's a control-master feature that you can use. |
| 15:19.28 | Ryccardo | iKiro: not exactly "multiple terminals" but "screen" will do that & ,ore |
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| 15:19.38 | debiantonio | or tabs |
| 15:19.44 | mosno | fantastic001: i'm not really understanding you. especically everything you said relating to the kernel |
| 15:19.46 | fantastic001 | bambanx: with apt-get :) |
| 15:19.58 | themill | dpkg: tell bambanx about bat |
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| 15:20.08 | themill | bambanx: you need to provide us with lots more information to understand this |
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| 15:20.22 | Prolac | thanks sephii |
| 15:20.31 | fantastic001 | mosno: i want debian without kernel etc (i want to manualy install software), but i want binary packages (not source) |
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| 15:20.43 | asdjaputra | fantastic001, why would you want to install debian from scratch if you could just plain install it? |
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| 15:20.53 | bambanx | i cannot i am new and i am trying to install a program on synaptic and say me i have a broken package |
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| 15:21.20 | asdjaputra | bambanx, do what they told you to "remove package <...>, install package <...>" |
| 15:21.25 | iKiro | themill: is this a package of some sort? |
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| 15:21.44 | jelly | fantastic001: install a base debian system, build on that. If you require a custom kernel, replace it later. |
| 15:21.48 | bambanx | yeah but i dunnowhat package remove |
| 15:21.51 | fantastic001 | asdjaputra: because i like to know what is under hud and what is in my system |
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| 15:22.14 | jelly | fantastic001: and by "build" I mean "install any additional packages you need" |
| 15:22.17 | bambanx | i cant see the broken package |
| 15:22.23 | asdjaputra | bambanx, sudo apt-get -f install |
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| 15:23.09 | themill | %show sources.list bambanx |
| 15:23.10 | dselect | bambanx: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
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| 15:23.20 | themill | %tell bambanx bat |
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| 15:23.23 | themill | %tell bambanx about bat |
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| 15:26.16 | themill | bambanx: what have you got in your sources.list? Please pastebin them as dselect requested. |
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| 15:26.34 | bambanx | ok |
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| 15:27.26 | yann2 | hello! I ve partitionned my disk using the debian installer, but cfdisk refuses to open it, and claims partition are overlapping. I get this with parted : http://pastealacon.com/28510 the problem seem to be partition 6... any clue? |
| 15:27.38 | bambanx | http://pastebin.com/BgUR07Pf |
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| 15:28.57 | edwinsage | yann2: Yeah, I get that too. Not sure why. |
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| 15:29.18 | themill | bambanx: why are you trying to mix stable and unstable? This is the route to madness. |
| 15:29.26 | boudiccas | yann2; wheres partition 4? its not showing up in the pastebin |
| 15:29.41 | bambanx | lol i dont know how i do that |
| 15:29.42 | yann2 | boudiccas, there isn't any |
| 15:29.43 | bambanx | :P |
| 15:29.58 | yann2 | boudiccas, 5 & 6 are logical volumes |
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| 15:30.10 | themill | bambanx: edit your sources.list and delete every single line with "unstable" in it. Rerun apt-get update. |
| 15:30.15 | yann2 | the extended is the 3 |
| 15:30.18 | bambanx | ok |
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| 15:30.37 | themill | dpkg: tell bambanx about not available |
| 15:30.50 | themill | bambanx: then run the long aptitude command dpkg just gave you and pastebin the output |
| 15:30.57 | yann2 | edwinsage, well, I got some free space, and am in huge pain to add a logical partition in the extended volume :( |
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| 15:31.05 | yann2 | parted wont let me either, claiming overlap |
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| 15:31.48 | sephii | I created a simple shell script that takes a file path as single argument. Is there a way to execute it easily on a file without having to use the console? This install uses KDE as a DE |
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| 15:32.05 | yann2 | maybe it just isn't happy with extended partitions :s |
| 15:32.43 | themill | sephii: how do you envisage executing it? Do you need to specify the path in some way? |
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| 15:33.15 | gomaaz | hi there |
| 15:33.34 | sephii | themill: yes I'd like to get it executed with the absolute file path as an argument |
| 15:33.55 | bambanx | themill sorry men , wich is the long aptitude command ? |
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| 15:34.41 | sephii | themill: it's a script that just calls iconv on the given file and the person who's going to use it has no idea of what a shell script is |
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| 15:35.07 | themill | sephii: basically, you would create a .desktop file and associate it with all mime-types and stick it in the appropriate directory so that dolphin picks it up. It is then in the right-click "Actions" menu when you click on the file. (I can't recall the correct location for the .desktop file in kde4 though... #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net will know :) |
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| 15:35.58 | sephii | themill: awesome thanks! |
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| 15:36.34 | bambanx | themill: can you pls give me the command ? |
| 15:36.35 | cantido | Does debian setup a getty for Xen's hypervisor console thingy by default now? |
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| 15:36.56 | themill | bambanx: dpkg sent you a private message with it |
| 15:37.22 | bambanx | i see |
| 15:37.28 | bambanx | aptitude search ' |
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| 15:37.58 | bambanx | aptitude search 'what more here' |
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| 15:42.10 | bambanx | thanks themill i fix |
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| 15:42.24 | themill | bambanx: I'd quite like to see the output of that command... |
| 15:42.40 | bambanx | i dont know whay i do but now works xD |
| 15:42.49 | bambanx | sudo dpkg --configure -a i do this |
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| 15:43.29 | themill | I'd still quite like to see the output of that command... |
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| 15:44.51 | bambanx | you wanna see the command output' |
| 15:44.52 | bambanx | ? |
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| 15:45.12 | yann2 | edwinsage> it's very weird, i just apt-get source'd the package, recompiled it, ran the compiled file without make install, and... it works fine!? |
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| 15:46.02 | yann2 | edwinsage, could you try the same, see if it works for you? would comfort me that it's not me becoming crazy :) |
| 15:46.04 | edwinsage | yann2: Wait, you mean for cfdisk? |
| 15:46.08 | yann2 | yes |
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| 15:46.38 | cantido | yann2: you run the compiled binary in the build dir? |
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| 15:46.52 | cantido | yann2: why is that working a surprise? |
| 15:47.13 | yann2 | cantido, cause technically I just compiled the same cfdisk I had installed and that didnt work... |
| 15:47.20 | edwinsage | yann2: I'm not sure how to do Debian's crazy building thing. I'm used to unpacking source to a directory and then doing configure + make etc. |
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| 15:47.39 | themill | !package recompile |
| 15:47.39 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <apt-get source>. |
| 15:47.42 | cantido | yann2: maybe because its now built with newer libraries etc than the packaged version |
| 15:47.59 | yann2 | edwinsage, is what I did - just did apt-get source gnu-cfdisk to get the source from repo, then configure & make |
| 15:48.08 | mosno | is there a desktop that is significantly more bug-free out of gnome and xfce (debian testing)? |
| 15:48.13 | cantido | yann2: I have had debs that segfault on a machine but work fine after rebuilding the deb .. openvpn on SH4 does it in unstable atm IIRC |
| 15:48.28 | mosno | ie. special attention given to gnome since it is the default desktop in debian... |
| 15:48.39 | edwinsage | I think I need to eat something first, but I'll give it a shot. Me no likes computing on an empty stomach. |
| 15:48.44 | valdyn | mosno: no |
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| 15:48.56 | yann2 | cantido, any idea how that can happen? I'm split between being pleased my problem is solved and being perplex :) |
| 15:49.14 | aussa | hi, xfce4 fails to start when X starts... I'm using a new xorg.conf file... |
| 15:49.30 | yann2 | aussa, got that one yesterday too :( |
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| 15:49.43 | cantido | yann2: probably newer libraries at build time or similar.. I dont think debs get rebuilt if stuff they depend on gets updated |
| 15:49.49 | mosno | valdyn: thanks... i guess i'll try xfce then |
| 15:49.56 | cantido | yann2: they shouldnt need to either.. but there you go |
| 15:50.12 | aussa | yann2: any solution? |
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| 15:51.11 | yann2 | aussa, no... was not important for me, just wanted to test it. |
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| 15:52.03 | yann2 | thanks for your help edwinsage , cantido |
| 15:52.08 | cantido | yann2: use dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc to build yourself a deb from the source |
| 15:52.11 | cantido | :) |
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| 15:56.13 | yann2 | cantido, looked further, and actually the problem seems to be more tricky. /sbin/cfdisk seems to be provided by both util-linux and gnu-cfdisk packages, one overriding the other - gnu-cfdisk being the one that works. I wonder if they come from two different branches. |
| 15:56.40 | aussa | when I run X -configure a xorg.conf file is created, but it is created with Screen 0 and Screen 1, why? |
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| 15:57.08 | cantido | yann2: oh, do the packages conflict, or is it selectable via update-alternatives? |
| 15:57.33 | yann2 | conflict I think... /sbin/cfdisk isnt a symlink at least |
| 15:58.10 | yann2 | and no cfdisk entry in /etc/alternatives either. |
| 15:58.20 | cantido | util-linux is a pretty important package.. |
| 15:58.22 | yann2 | using -testing, btw |
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| 15:58.41 | yann2 | sorry I meant, -unstable |
| 15:58.59 | cantido | you're only going to be using it for like 10 minutes though.. just run your locally compiled version |
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| 15:59.55 | cantido | wishes kde would stop randomly suspending his laptop |
| 16:00.12 | yann2 | sorry new to debian, not used at all to the versions, always mixing testing and unstable :) |
| 16:00.49 | yann2 | think I should report a bug against util-linux ? if yes, where would I do this? |
| 16:01.36 | cantido | if its broken in util-linux report a bug there, mention that the other one works |
| 16:01.55 | yann2 | ok, will do, thanks for your help |
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| 16:07.34 | gomaaz | my Xorg configuration tells me "Failed to open framebuffer device...." |
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| 16:21.13 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
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| 16:24.06 | anoob | hi, my monitor is flickering... what should i do? thanks... |
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| 16:24.31 | Iridos | plug cable in firmly |
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| 16:26.16 | anoob | it's a notebook, sorry Iridos |
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| 16:28.31 | Iridos | still most probably a hardware problem. check if the current resolution/refresh rate is what the specs for the monitor say is optimal. you get the rate when you type "xrandr", it's the one with the star/asterix. google the notebook to find out what the hardware does |
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| 16:30.04 | anoob | Iridos, http://pastebin.com/dArAghBg |
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| 16:33.59 | Iridos | I didn't say "show me", I said "look at and compare to the specs of your notebooks monitor" |
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| 16:34.31 | Iridos | as I have no idea what it is supposed to ideally run with, there's nothing I can say about it |
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| 16:40.09 | leitao | Hi. My machine repo is poiniting to mirror.kernel.org, which is down. What is the other repo that I can use ? |
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| 16:44.57 | Iridos | !debian mirrors |
| 16:44.57 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 16:55.48 | Colorado | I've since changed my SSH servers' listening port, but should I be worried? | http://pastebin.com/d31g6wmu |
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| 16:56.08 | valdyn | Colorado: no |
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| 16:57.13 | Colorado | valdyn: Thanks. If it's not too much to ask, can you direct me to some resources for identifying a potentially compromised box? |
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| 16:57.32 | valdyn | Colorado: nope |
| 16:57.51 | Colorado | Okay, thanks for checking the logs. |
| 16:57.51 | boudiccas | Colorado; since what? |
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| 16:58.36 | Colorado | boudiccas: The pastebin.com link. |
| 16:58.41 | Colorado | Or, just now, after reading it. |
| 16:59.09 | kristian-aalborg | okay, so I want to make two partitions with fdisk - a blank one at the start of the drive and an ext3 for the rest |
| 17:00.00 | valdyn | Colorado: everyone has his door knocked by bots every day as visible in your log. You just need to take the usual precautions |
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| 17:05.58 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: fdisk doesnt care about filesystems |
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| 17:06.14 | kristian-aalborg | hi cantido |
| 17:06.27 | kristian-aalborg | I know, it was a slip of the keys ;) |
| 17:06.28 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: create the layout you want and mkfs the fs you want on the partition you want |
| 17:07.10 | kristian-aalborg | 3 gigabytes would be +3000M? |
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| 17:07.20 | kristian-aalborg | also, extended or primary for this? |
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| 17:07.36 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: +3G |
| 17:07.38 | kristian-aalborg | the plan is to let Debian install itself automagically on the blank partition |
| 17:07.48 | kristian-aalborg | valdyn, ah, clever :) |
| 17:08.49 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: how are you installing debian? |
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| 17:09.18 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: debian-installer can create that layout too, you just select manual and set the blank partition as "do not use" |
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| 17:09.24 | aussa | at nvidia-settings, I get this error Failed to create NV-CONTROL handle for screen 1, screen 1 does not exist... :S |
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| 17:09.51 | kristian-aalborg | cantido, ah |
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| 17:10.03 | kristian-aalborg | I feel a bit more comfortable preparing first, though |
| 17:10.04 | cantido | aussa: are you using the nvidia driver? |
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| 17:10.35 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: if you partition first you will still need to use the partitioner in manual mode |
| 17:10.38 | aussa | yes |
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| 17:10.45 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: to tell it that you want to use that partition as / |
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| 17:11.44 | aussa | cantido: the specific error is Failed to create NV-CONTROL handle for screen 1. |
| 17:12.11 | kristian-aalborg | cantido, yes, that's okay by me |
| 17:12.13 | aussa | is like there were 2 screens, there is only one, screen 0 |
| 17:12.21 | fasta | In which group do I have to be able to run ldconfig? |
| 17:12.37 | fasta | to be to be able* |
| 17:12.48 | kristian-aalborg | so, I two primary partitions, make the latter ext3 and I'm ready to rawk? |
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| 17:13.40 | valdyn | fasta: only root can do this |
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| 17:14.04 | valdyn | fasta: err, *everyone* can run ldconfig |
| 17:14.12 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: I would let the partitioner do the fs creation.. |
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| 17:14.51 | valdyn | fasta: but allowing everyone to modify the ld cache would be a grave issue, so only root can do this |
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| 17:15.06 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: Actually, I'd use the partitioner for the whole process.. its only calling fdisk after all |
| 17:15.35 | JordiGH | I want to try the backport xserver-xorg, but it's missing -input-mouse and -input-kbd packages, which are however present in unstable. Is this an error? |
| 17:15.56 | valdyn | JordiGH: sure its an error |
| 17:15.59 | anoob | Iridos, 60hz, how it's supposed to be ... |
| 17:16.21 | kristian-aalborg | cantido, I've had some bad luck with that approach |
| 17:16.41 | JordiGH | So, uhm, I shouldn't use the backported xserver-xorg? |
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| 17:16.45 | kristian-aalborg | but it's probably just that, bad luck... or me being a n00b when it happened ;) |
| 17:17.48 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: is there something on the disk you want to keep? |
| 17:17.49 | Iridos | anoob, it's your monitor! how am I supposed to know? |
| 17:18.00 | Iridos | oh you mean that _is_ how it should be |
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| 17:18.27 | Iridos | well, that's what xrandr shows you it uses, too... |
| 17:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | JordiGH: What did you hope to accomplish with the newer packages? |
| 17:18.47 | anoob | sorry Iridos... I've checked in the manual and there i can see 60hz |
| 17:18.53 | anoob | sorry about my english Iridos |
| 17:19.17 | Iridos | your english was ok... the sentence was just ambiguous |
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| 17:19.46 | JordiGH | jhutchins_lt: I occasionally get graphical glitches. I wanted to try the backported xserver-xorg-video-intel package. |
| 17:20.13 | cantido | JordiGH: there are backported intel driver packages by one of the Xorg maints IIRC |
| 17:20.25 | fasta | Isn't there some ld cache specific to just the current user? |
| 17:20.26 | cantido | JordiGH: I can't remember where they are.. but I can remember using them |
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| 17:21.09 | valdyn | fasta: what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 17:21.15 | JordiGH | cantido: Why aren't they at b.d.o? |
| 17:21.33 | cantido | JordiGH: I think they were in some people.debian.. dir |
| 17:22.19 | JordiGH | cantido: I don't like trusting random people's packages. If they're in a central repository, they're more likely to have been tested by a greater number of people. |
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| 17:22.32 | cantido | fair enough :) |
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| 17:23.47 | fasta | valdyn: I am trying to install a program from a third party. It has a standard autoconf build system, but even though I specified ./configure --prefix=$HOME, the make install step does ldconfig. I have no idea why it would need to do that. |
| 17:23.58 | JordiGH | So, it *is* a packaging error of the xserver-xorg backport? |
| 17:24.01 | aussa | at X start my xfce4 panel does not show up |
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| 17:24.12 | JordiGH | I can't be the first person to try to use the backported xorg. |
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| 17:24.44 | valdyn | fasta: libraries are searched for at standard locations, $HOME is not one |
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| 17:25.26 | kristian-aalborg | okay, so "+3G" is three gigabytes... how come there's only 70 gigs left after that? |
| 17:25.32 | valdyn | fasta: if you want to use libraries from non-standard locations you need to use LD_PRELOAD et al. yourself |
| 17:25.34 | kristian-aalborg | on a 80GB drive, that is |
| 17:26.08 | kristian-aalborg | I know about the space the filesystems use and that, but 7G down the drain seems...? |
| 17:26.34 | Amarande | kristian-aalborg: differences in reckoning "what is a gigabyte" |
| 17:26.52 | valdyn | fasta: your install script does not need to run ldconfig to correctly install the program, but running it saves the user from having to run it |
| 17:27.08 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: +3G is probably 3 * 1024MiB |
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| 17:27.22 | Amarande | Drive manufacturers use decimal values when stating the size of drives, i.e., 80GB = 80 billion bytes. |
| 17:27.32 | kristian-aalborg | cantido, still... |
| 17:27.34 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: and your drive is probably 80 * 1000MB |
| 17:27.47 | kristian-aalborg | yes, that old "misunderstanding" :) |
| 17:27.58 | somiaj | JordiGH: backports are usually taken from testing (not unstable) and it appears that they are just using the same input-kbd from squeeze (that is what the dependencies trace back to) so the don't need their own backport package. |
| 17:28.19 | kristian-aalborg | I'll see when I'm ready to do a df -h in about half an hour |
| 17:28.33 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: when you partition the drive you dont lose space to filesystem stuff BTW |
| 17:28.50 | cantido | kristian-aalborg: the partition table is a few bytes |
| 17:28.54 | kristian-aalborg | thewanderer1, get busy studying :P |
| 17:28.58 | JordiGH | somiaj: Well, aptitude and apt-get try to remove those packages. :-/ |
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| 17:30.36 | somiaj | JordiGH: ahh I'm just tracing the dependencs on p.d.o. -- oh I see, seems they only have kfreebsd versions of those packages. |
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| 17:31.17 | JordiGH | So the backport is incomplete? |
| 17:31.31 | JordiGH | I don't want to attempt and end up with an xserver without input. |
| 17:31.44 | thewanderer1 | well, maybe the backport is only useful to FreeBSD users? |
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| 17:32.35 | unixSnob | has lots of broken SSL certs lately |
| 17:32.57 | unixSnob | i've downloaded new certs and ca bundles to /etc/ssl/certs, but they don't get found |
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| 17:33.06 | unixSnob | (it seems) |
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| 17:34.22 | upepo | Are there any experts in Debian here? |
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| 17:34.41 | valdyn | !tell upepo -about ask |
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| 17:35.02 | somiaj | JordiGH: yea appears so, buildd.debian.org isn't saying there are any builds for squeeze-backports |
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| 17:35.15 | upepo | Well I did ask |
| 17:35.59 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i wanne copy a directory into itself. |
| 17:36.01 | ws2k3 | is this possible? |
| 17:36.12 | upepo | I messed up my init.d files, so I ran the debian 6.0.2 netinstall cd for squeeze, then installed basics and got to the partition step, I couldn't complete saving the partition information (I was installing over my old one because the init.d was messed up and no one here could help me) |
| 17:36.21 | upepo | So now, it boots up just fine, but the keyboard doesn't work in X |
| 17:36.23 | JordiGH | ws2k3: What? |
| 17:36.31 | ws2k3 | can i copy a directory into itself |
| 17:36.32 | upepo | My question is |
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| 17:36.41 | upepo | how do I tar a file that is 2 gigs or more without having it crash |
| 17:37.04 | ws2k3 | so i have a directory called test i wanne copy the directory test into the directory test/test2. |
| 17:37.04 | JordiGH | ws2k3: Explain "into itself". |
| 17:37.04 | valdyn | that was almost funny |
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| 17:37.42 | ws2k3 | i already tryed cp test test/test2 -R but didnt work |
| 17:37.49 | upepo | Someone said ask the question, but there are no Debian experts here |
| 17:37.59 | JordiGH | ws2k3: I have a computer that only contains the directories that do not contain themselves. Does the computer contain itself? |
| 17:38.02 | upepo | that's why I asked, are there other chat channels that have experts who could answer that question? |
| 17:38.45 | ws2k3 | rofl now i cant follow u anymore xD |
| 17:39.13 | valdyn | ws2k3: i think you should use rsync for this |
| 17:39.37 | valdyn | ws2k3: its crucial that the directory tree(s) are traversed before the copying is done |
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| 17:39.38 | somiaj | upepo: http://www.unix.com/filesystems-disks-memory/33361-tar-2gb-limit.html -- why do you want to tar a single file? Tar is for grouping files together, but it appears there is a 2GB limit for a single file in tar. |
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| 17:40.05 | JordiGH | Will this work? |
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| 17:40.22 | JordiGH | find foo/ -exec cp {} foo/foo/ \; |
| 17:40.23 | Amarande | somiaj: gamers, in particular, are likely to run into that issue |
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| 17:41.10 | Amarande | if you want to tar backup a directory in which you have games installed ... there's quite a number of ones, especially MMORPGs and the like that will store massive amounts of data into single archive files which are then picked apart by the game engine during play, and can easily be well over 2GB (I think WoW and Guild Wars both have files larger than that). |
| 17:41.11 | almos | I've got the newest Iceweasel installed from repository, and now installed Firefox in opt. The problem is that the Iceweasel detects the newest flash plugin, and Firefox for some reason doesn't. |
| 17:41.22 | Amarande | then if you try to tar the directory as a whole, you're going to get that issue when it hits that file. |
| 17:41.28 | JordiGH | Perhaps, "cp -r a b && mv b a" |
| 17:41.35 | zykotick9 | somiaj, are you sure the 2GB limit is with tar? I'd guess the filesystem it's being copied to may be FAT. |
| 17:41.40 | somiaj | Amarande: Well it seems to be a hard limit on tar. |
| 17:41.47 | Amarande | You know, I've always wondered why so many things are limited to 2GB instead of 4. |
| 17:41.54 | somiaj | zykotick9: there is a 2gb on a single file inside the tar (the tar itself can be much bigger) |
| 17:41.56 | Amarande | I mean ... why is there a need for a file size number to be a *signed* int at all? |
| 17:41.59 | pipeline | somiaj: no |
| 17:42.04 | pipeline | gnu tar does not have filesize limits |
| 17:42.11 | JordiGH | Amarande: It's the native type. |
| 17:42.18 | zykotick9 | somiaj, ahh, that makes sense, thanks for the clarification. |
| 17:42.36 | pipeline | old-fashioned tar has horrid filesize limits |
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| 17:42.50 | pipeline | like most gnu tools gnu tar does everything you could possibly want it to do and several things it probably shouldn't |
| 17:42.55 | Amarande | Anything that's a count of real or "virtual-that-would-be-real" objects (bytes, game gold pieces, pieces of pocket lint ...), there's absolutely no need to need negative numbers |
| 17:42.59 | JordiGH | likes how GNU tar is not old-fashioned. |
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| 17:43.09 | Amarande | is it that difficult to implement things to use unsigned ints when signed is not needed? :S |
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| 17:43.42 | somiaj | pipeline: ahh well it appears to be a common issue, though google has lots of suggestions. |
| 17:43.42 | valdyn | Amarande: why do you think that error comes from using signed int? |
| 17:43.44 | JordiGH | Amarande: Signed is the hardware's native. Stuff is often signed for this reason. |
| 17:43.49 | pipeline | Amarande: another common cause of 2G limits is 32 bit userspace memory |
| 17:44.02 | Amarande | valdyn: I'm simply noting that with unsigned ints, limits naturally are doubled |
| 17:44.03 | somiaj | upepo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/get-around-2gb-tar-limit-627582/ -- might help as well, gives some other things which could cause limits |
| 17:44.07 | pipeline | Amarande: most operating systems had 2/2 splits, so the largest thing that could be mmapped was 2g, period |
| 17:44.26 | Amarande | and oftentimes, signed ints are used in applications where there is no actual need for the negative half of things, so half the capacity of the int is just wasted |
| 17:44.34 | valdyn | Amarande: not file format induced limits |
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| 17:45.29 | Amarande | I presumed that for the tar case, in particular, that the problem was related to some or other form of indexing, i.e. the size of each file is probably stored in the tar directory structure, presumably as an int32 if 2GB is the limit being reached |
| 17:45.39 | pipeline | there is no 'tar case' |
| 17:45.43 | pipeline | the limit does not exist |
| 17:45.54 | pipeline | outside of ancient legacy tar, where no one thought a file could ever be 2G anyway ;) |
| 17:46.01 | Amarande | Yeah, that did occur to me |
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| 17:46.10 | almos | I had to create a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin and run from there, stupid me |
| 17:46.14 | almos | nevermind |
| 17:46.40 | almos | runs much better than iceweasel, I must admit! |
| 17:46.40 | Amarande | a lot of the "signed int" foibles occur in cases where the default of signed was probably simply used because nobody thought that there might be a need for the larger numbers unsigned would have been able to provide. :) |
| 17:46.48 | pipeline | for perspective, the POSIX standard from *1988* mandates support for 8G files |
| 17:46.56 | pipeline | so a tar with a 2G limit must be *really* old |
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| 17:47.09 | Amarande | Like all those infamous Windows games where it will claim that your CPU speed or disk space available are negative during install. :) |
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| 17:47.44 | Amarande | pipeline: now that is just odd, otoh. not a 32-bit or a 40-bit but a *33* bit filesize support? |
| 17:48.17 | valdyn | Amarande: why do you think 32-bit have anything to do with this? |
| 17:48.27 | pipeline | Amarande: it probably has nothing to do with bit depth ... |
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| 17:51.00 | somiaj | JordiGH: Have you tried a backport kernel (maybe its not the xorg but the kernel support giving the graphic glitches)? |
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| 17:51.36 | JordiGH | somiaj: Hm, that's an idea... |
| 17:51.42 | JordiGH | But changing kernels always scares me a little. |
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| 17:51.50 | JordiGH | I guess I can always boot the old one. |
| 17:51.52 | cantido | Amarande: java doesnt have unsigned types.. apparently because people dont know how to use them correctly |
| 17:52.00 | Amarande | cantido: ouch. |
| 17:52.20 | cantido | <3 stdint.h |
| 17:52.38 | Amarande | cantido: good thing we have the extra resources to support data bloat, right? since that means that if you want an unsigned 32 bit number, you're going to have to use a 64 bit datatype instead, then |
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| 17:53.03 | somiaj | JordiGH: kernels aren't that scarry. And yes the fact you can have multiple ones installed makes them less scarry, and being one package its an easy thing to test since no other packages get overwritten and need to be downgraded if it doesn't work. |
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| 17:53.20 | Amarande | JordiGH: also, kernels are much less scary now that we have grub |
| 17:53.29 | cantido | Amarande: lots of people uses ints where they could use shorts.. a few bytes isnt much these days |
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| 17:53.45 | Amarande | it was a lot more nerve-wracking with LILO, where if you didn't do things just so each time you installed a new kernel, you easily got fun things like LIL- :) |
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| 17:53.54 | JordiGH | Hm. The backported kernel wants to also upgrade my linux-base to backports. |
| 17:53.58 | JordiGH | Now that's scary. |
| 17:54.08 | cantido | lilo rewrote the MBR all the time.. that was scary |
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| 17:54.19 | cantido | and used blocklists to locate the stuff on disk IIRC.. :/ |
| 17:54.24 | valdyn | JordiGH: linux-base is stuff belonging to the kernel, duh |
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| 17:54.32 | cantido | but that means it works sometimes where grub cant |
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| 17:54.41 | JordiGH | valdyn: Why isn't it versioned in the package name like linux itself? |
| 17:54.49 | Amarande | cantido: and pretty much required a dedicated /boot partition at the beginning of disk on large drives till just a few years ago |
| 17:54.59 | cantido | Amarande: lilo? |
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| 17:55.13 | Amarande | yeah. because it needed to locate the kernel in the way it did. |
| 17:55.27 | cantido | Amarande: lilo doesnt care about partitions that much I think.. it makes a list of where the data is.. |
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| 17:55.43 | JordiGH | Eh, fine, let's try the backported lunix. |
| 17:55.45 | JordiGH | lives dangerously. |
| 17:55.52 | cantido | Amarande: at least thats what I remember, thats why it needs to rewrite the MBR when you upgrade a kernel |
| 17:56.07 | Amarande | cantido: indeed. it was more of a data location issue. |
| 17:56.14 | ompaul | JordiGH breaks machines news at 1 |
| 17:56.28 | Amarande | you had to have a separate boot partition on lilo for many years because you needed to be able to make absolutely sure that the kernel was in the right part of the drive |
| 17:56.28 | cantido | Amarande: grub knows where its next stage is and its next stage knows how to read filesystems :) |
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| 17:56.34 | JordiGH | ompaul: Well, if I break it, you won't get any news from me. :-) |
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| 17:56.47 | Amarande | otherwise, it might be in a location not yet accessible, and then you'd get boot failure |
| 17:56.47 | ompaul | JordiGH: the reporter is standing by |
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| 17:56.55 | Amarande | not an issue with grub. |
| 17:57.01 | valdyn | JordiGH: look at the contents |
| 17:57.04 | cantido | Amarande: oh, it probably needs to be near the start of the disk, below some limit etc |
| 17:57.16 | Amarande | cantido: yeah, that, that's why you had to have /boot partition in order to make sure it got put at the start |
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| 17:57.37 | cantido | Amarande: old sparc firmware and others have that issue too though.. "no one will ever have a disk bigger than 1GB!" .. "oh" |
| 17:57.38 | Amarande | though in recent years BIOS have been smart enough to handle drives larger than are even manufactured right now |
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| 17:58.00 | aussa | couldn't been able to enable 3D acceleration on virtualbox?? what am I missing? |
| 17:58.22 | Amarande | cantido: "640K should be enough for anyone" :) |
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| 17:58.59 | somiaj | I thought there was a way to check the contest of a package on packages.debian.org (just courious what is in linux-base and I don't have it on my machines) |
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| 17:59.23 | valdyn | somiaj: theres is a way... |
| 17:59.25 | somiaj | duh there is the 'list of files' |
| 17:59.31 | wald0` | how does this new grub works ? where is the menu.lst file ? |
| 17:59.32 | somiaj | valdyn: yea the 'list of files' link was hiding |
| 17:59.47 | valdyn | wald0`: read the documentation |
| 17:59.48 | somiaj | JordiGH: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/linux-base/filelist (I think your fine upgrading those files) |
| 17:59.50 | wald0` | or better, what's the boot parameters for my other installed grub ? |
| 17:59.54 | wald0` | (for boot debian) |
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| 18:00.50 | wald0` | valdyn: not easy, im not in the debian now, i reinstalled the grub of my main debian install (lenny) and im unable to boot the new debian now |
| 18:01.09 | valdyn | wald0`: the intarnet has the same documentation |
| 18:01.13 | JordiGH | Okay, fine. |
| 18:01.19 | JordiGH | proceeds to the dangerous life. |
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| 18:01.33 | wald0` | valdyn: ok so, what's the name of this new grub ? grub2 ? |
| 18:01.42 | valdyn | wald0`: yes |
| 18:02.23 | wald0` | wonders why the first result points to ubuntu.. |
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| 18:02.55 | valdyn | wald0`: maybe because its the most popular distro, and popularity is what google uses for ranking |
| 18:03.05 | deego` | Is there a new point release out? |
| 18:03.17 | valdyn | deego`: /topic |
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| 18:03.41 | deego` | valdyn: But, 6.0.2 was released back in june, right? |
| 18:03.46 | deego` | I mean, is 6.0.3 out? |
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| 18:04.07 | Amarande | is there really a need for a new point release? |
| 18:04.09 | somiaj | deego`: why not check debian.org if you think the info here is out of date? |
| 18:04.18 | wald0` | valdyn: maybe google needs an alternative not based in popularity but in quality ? :) |
| 18:04.25 | Amarande | you install, you apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and that's it. :) |
| 18:04.28 | deego` | somiaj: I did. That's why I asked here. |
| 18:04.32 | somiaj | deego`: always update to all the security updates from s.d.o, that is all a point-release is |
| 18:04.40 | deego` | I know. |
| 18:04.47 | Amarande | wald0`: I'm not sure anyone outside of Google knows the exact mechanics of Google search ranking, anyway. It's doubtless a trade secret. |
| 18:04.54 | valdyn | wald0`: most certainly |
| 18:05.04 | deego` | Bah, if you don't know, say so. No need to lecture me about unrelated things. |
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| 18:05.41 | JordiGH | Weeee, booting into new kernel. |
| 18:05.47 | JordiGH | Let's hope it doesn't trash my hard drive. |
| 18:05.51 | JordiGH | brb (hopefully) |
| 18:07.09 | wald0` | wonders why linus has started to coding a "kill this hd now!" function |
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| 18:08.46 | neil_m | hope it panics |
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| 18:09.45 | Amarande | wald0`: "kill this HD now" function? |
| 18:09.47 | Amarande | what's that do? |
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| 18:10.10 | somiaj | wald0`: cat /dev/random > /dev/sda |
| 18:10.22 | Amarande | ah, I get it. (of course, there may be security applications in which being able to instantly destroy a hard drive and contents may be useful) |
| 18:10.39 | valdyn | more likely this means to not use the disk anymore |
| 18:11.16 | somiaj | sledgehammer works good, though melt the plates down afterwards if you don't want to destory the data beyond recovery. |
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| 18:12.34 | JordiGH | Hm. Got warnings about sound and wireless at boot, but they seem to work anyways. |
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| 18:13.43 | JordiGH | And now I don't have a virtualbox module for this linux. |
| 18:13.49 | JordiGH | But I hardly use virtualbox. |
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| 18:14.09 | somiaj | you'll just have to rebuild the module |
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| 18:14.38 | JordiGH | How did you do that? |
| 18:15.16 | JordiGH | Does m-a do it? |
| 18:15.25 | valdyn | dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms |
| 18:15.40 | somiaj | valdyn: that isn't in sqeeuze it seems |
| 18:15.58 | valdyn | ah right, its only in backports for squeeze, so m-a it is |
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| 18:16.25 | somiaj | JordiGH: yea you will probabaly have to use m-a, but you'll have to install the kernel headers first. Though I'd grab the virtualbox-dkms package (its an easier way) |
| 18:16.39 | somiaj | hmm, appears that virtualbox isn't on squeeze either, did you isntall that from backporst JordiGH ? |
| 18:16.55 | JordiGH | virtualbox-ose-dkms seems to be the squeeze package. |
| 18:17.00 | JordiGH | That's the one I need to reconfigure. |
| 18:17.05 | JordiGH | But I do need to get the headers. |
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| 18:17.17 | somiaj | JordiGH: yea you need the headers first. |
| 18:17.36 | JordiGH | Hm, this is gonna be a little inconvenient if I'm gonna be switching kernels. Reconfiguring that package deleted the modules for the other kernel. |
| 18:17.58 | JordiGH | But I doubt I'll be switching kernels and running virtualbox in both. I haven't used virtualbox in months. Maybe I should just remove it altogether. |
| 18:18.04 | JordiGH | does that. |
| 18:18.23 | somiaj | JordiGH: the dkms packages should automically craete the modules when you install the kernel if you have the headers, so in the future just install both and it should be automatic. |
| 18:18.39 | somiaj | well it should generate modules for all kernel's you have installed (provided it can) |
| 18:18.44 | somiaj | i.e. you have headers. |
| 18:18.47 | JordiGH | So has Oracle forked off virtualbox yet? |
| 18:18.59 | JordiGH | And made an Enterprise edition? |
| 18:19.02 | JordiGH | Or whatever? |
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| 18:21.30 | JordiGH | Btw, I remember that a long time ago I configured something to use ~/Maildir/ instead of ~/mbox or something like that. What it could have been, so I could disable it? |
| 18:21.36 | eval | Hello. |
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| 18:21.42 | JordiGH | I don't like that ~/Maildir/ directory. |
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| 18:21.47 | valdyn | JordiGH: exim |
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| 18:21.50 | JordiGH | likes to keep his $HOME tidy. |
| 18:22.01 | JordiGH | valdyn: Ah, thanks. |
| 18:22.35 | Codeine | ACTION |
| 18:22.35 | Codeine | \a |
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| 18:24.56 | zastaph | somiaj, it's http://www.sublimetext.com/2 |
| 18:25.36 | somiaj | JordiGH: that is the easiest way, or you can put a qualified domain name in /etc/hostname |
| 18:25.43 | JordiGH | zomg non-free editors in my #debian |
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| 18:25.57 | JordiGH | somiaj: What does "qualified domain name" mean? |
| 18:26.10 | N-I-L | hello everyone, quick question. |
| 18:26.19 | somiaj | JordiGH: I think its the fact they can use your hostname to get your ip |
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| 18:26.50 | JordiGH | So should I add "Iris 127.0.0.0" to /etc/hosts? |
| 18:27.02 | N-I-L | has anyone had issue with using the default settings with the ntp package? |
| 18:27.09 | JordiGH | Uhm, that's already there. |
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| 18:27.30 | somiaj | JordiGH: yea I guess I get the same warning, I just ignore it |
| 18:27.31 | eval | somiaj: The last version seems to have migrated to testing on 22 Aug. but today in the morning I could install that package just fine. Also, since the error says it's corrupt, I'd guess it's not a bug with the package, but rather something else |
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| 18:28.15 | N-I-L | JordiGH: 127.0.0.0 is your loop back address. |
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| 18:28.25 | aPpYe | is there a best-practice way of making a script run to completion before the login manager is displayed? Currently I am disabling gdm3 via update-rc.d and then adding a "/etc/init.d/gdm3 start &" line after my script in /etc/rc.local Â… the problem with this is that I have to wait a hundred years on each reboot for MTA to start before init gets to rc.local. |
| 18:28.38 | JordiGH | N-I-L: Yeah, I meant 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:29.02 | N-I-L | me too |
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| 18:29.26 | timahvo1 | JordiGH: FQDN is something like myhost.mydomain.com |
| 18:29.47 | JordiGH | timahvo1: What would my domain be? Can I just make something up? |
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| 18:30.20 | aPpYe | I guess I could just disable MTA and add that to rc.local as well, after GDM ... |
| 18:30.39 | timahvo1 | JordiGH: localdomain but you can safely ignore messages relating to FQDN in most cases |
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| 18:31.17 | Shidash | I am installing apache and php in the way specified at http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp but am getting the error I pasted at http://pastebin.com/TYztAfnX |
| 18:31.33 | Amarande | Can be pretty much anything, as long as it's not something that actually exists on the real Internet and your machine is not directly connected to it (if it is, you should be using the actual, proper DNS hostname of the machine) |
| 18:31.35 | Shidash | Any idea if there is another way to resolve those dependencies? |
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| 18:31.48 | Amarande | by "directly" I mean is actually the actual IP address (if you're behind a home router, then the router has the IP, and you're behind a NAT and thus "not directly connected" in this sense.) |
| 18:32.00 | aPpYe | hello? |
| 18:32.03 | somiaj | JordiGH: it seems its because apache isn't given a hostname, |
| 18:32.22 | somiaj | JordiGH: just add 'ServerName localhost' to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
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| 18:32.46 | JordiGH | somiaj: Why would exim4 complain over something Apache didn't do? |
| 18:32.46 | somiaj | JordiGH: or use what ever name you have in /etc/hostname if you like to name your computers |
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| 18:33.17 | somiaj | JordiGH: exim4 is probabaly complaining for the same reason, there is no config option that sets the hostname, so its just using your ipaddress. |
| 18:33.34 | JordiGH | But why are both asking me to fix /etc/hosts? |
| 18:33.51 | Amarande | Jordi: /etc/hosts is one of the first places software looks when trying to translate your IP back to a hostname |
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| 18:34.01 | Amarande | after that, it will try to do a reverse DNS lookup |
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| 18:34.12 | djcb | question: what package holds the glibc info pages in 'sid'? |
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| 18:34.20 | Amarande | just like when you type in a hostname to connect to, it will look in /etc/hosts first, and if it can't find it there will go to the DNS |
| 18:34.25 | somiaj | JordiGH: well I added that line to my httpd.conf file and it stoped the error here...see if that fixes apache2 then we'll figure out exim4 next |
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| 18:34.46 | Amarande | although some things (most notably ircd) do not appear to honour /etc/hosts at all and will go straight to the DNS no matter what |
| 18:34.46 | somiaj | JordiGH: for the most part its a warning and if you aren't really a webserver or mailserver (except locally) won't mean much |
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| 18:36.01 | cantido | Amarande: so they don't use libcs resolver? |
| 18:36.11 | anao2 | hello@all does anyoneknow bug lost /sbin variable at root $PATH? wheezy? |
| 18:36.30 | JordiGH | somiaj: Okay, thanks, that quieted those warnings. |
| 18:36.33 | Shidash | Again, I was installing php, mysql, and apache using the debian LAMP guide and got the errors at http://pastebin.com/TYztAfnX |
| 18:36.42 | Shidash | Does anyone know what I can do to fix this? |
| 18:37.01 | somiaj | JordiGH: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config -- that shoudl allow you to tell exim4 what your hostname is |
| 18:37.14 | phorce1 | what is the bare minimum X install that can be installed and will work? I am trying to set up an NXServer on a machine that will *NEVER* have a local X login done. I've got xauth working to allow me to hit the machine but there is no desktop for it to run once it's there. This is a test machine that I'd like to try playing with some of the GDAdmin tools on (dhcp, bind, etc.) too see what they look like. |
| 18:37.19 | cantido | Shidash: modphp doesnt work with apache2-mpm-worker IIRC |
| 18:37.38 | JordiGH | somiaj: Yeah, that wasn't it. I put dots in my hostname in /etc/hosts and both of those shut up. |
| 18:37.44 | cantido | Shidash: hence it wants to remove it and install -prefork instead |
| 18:37.54 | Shidash | I tried letting it do that |
| 18:37.57 | phorce1 | s/GDAdmin/gadmin/ |
| 18:37.58 | Shidash | apache does not work |
| 18:38.07 | Shidash | There is not apache2-default folder in /var/www |
| 18:38.12 | cantido | thinks someone should look at managed hosting .. |
| 18:38.26 | Shidash | well, I can display a website but cannot use php |
| 18:38.43 | Shidash | cantido: Me? Or are you talking to someone else? |
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| 18:38.49 | somiaj | JordiGH: it appears if you don't tell it what hostname to use, it looks up `hostname -f` to get that. (: |
| 18:39.01 | Woet | i'm getting the error 'executing grub-install /dev/sda failed. this is a fatal error' on debian squeeze 64 bit |
| 18:39.04 | cantido | Shidash: ok, so the thing you pastebin'd it |
| 18:39.09 | phorce1 | so GTK+ would be required. ... Hmm, I gues I could just try installing one of the gadmin tools to see what it tries to pull as dependencies |
| 18:39.16 | cantido | Shidash: *isn't actually valid anymore |
| 18:39.18 | Iridos | !tell djcb -about apt-file |
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| 18:39.39 | Shidash | cantido: Isn't valid? |
| 18:39.42 | Woet | console shows 'warn: this gpt partition has no BIOS boot partition, embedding is not possible' then 'error: embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume' |
| 18:39.44 | cantido | Shidash: have you checked that modphp is enabled? |
| 18:39.44 | Iridos | djcb, I guess search for /usr/share/info/libc ---> glibc-doc-reference |
| 18:39.51 | Woet | trying to install it on software RAID, 2x 2 TB |
| 18:40.00 | cantido | Shidash: you have already accepted what aptitude said it would do and installed -prefork right? |
| 18:40.07 | cantido | Shidash: so pasting that output means nothing now |
| 18:40.19 | Shidash | cantido: I accepted it, yes. I could purge though |
| 18:40.32 | cantido | Shidash: why would you do that? |
| 18:40.42 | Shidash | cantido: I have not checked modphp. What do you mean by that? |
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| 18:40.55 | cantido | Shidash: have you ever used apache2 on debian before? |
| 18:41.01 | Shidash | cantido: No |
| 18:41.20 | cantido | Shidash: ok, read the stuff that is in /usr/share/docs/apache2<something> |
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| 18:41.35 | Shidash | okay? |
| 18:41.54 | cantido | Shidash: You are basically asking for someone else to tell you how to configure your system |
| 18:42.17 | cantido | Shidash: if you read the docs apache2 ships with it will tell you how to use the tools .. i.e. to enable modules etc |
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| 18:42.46 | Amarande | cantido: the last time I ran any flavour of ircd, I remember not being able to get LAN clients to show up as hostnames unless I explicitly set up a reverse DNS entry in a BIND on the linux box to handle the LAN IPs |
| 18:42.52 | Amarande | didn't seem that /etc/hosts would work |
| 18:43.09 | tharkun | Gentlemen I've been trying by all means known to myself to make a monitor use the following size 304 228 since that is the size lenny recognizes and all is good. Squeeze is stubborn enough to not understand by any means that the 300 220 it uses is wrong. Any ideas on how to correct it pciid of the graphics card is 8086:2572 |
| 18:43.33 | cantido | Amarande: is /etc/hosts used for reverse dns resolving? |
| 18:43.48 | Shidash | cantido: I need to figure out what is wrong with the dependencies. I am not stupid, I have configured many aspects before. I checked google and found nothing the same. There were similar errors but they always involved another program. Sorry I asked. |
| 18:44.16 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Remind us what kind of toaster this is you're running Debian on? |
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| 18:44.45 | cantido | Shidash: there is nothing wrong with the dependencies. modphp cannot be used with the worker model .. hence aptitude/apt-get wants to install -prefork |
| 18:44.51 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: lol an old hp desktop |
| 18:44.52 | Woet | jhutchins_lt: your toaster still has 302x228? lol! mine is full HD already. |
| 18:45.12 | cantido | Shidash: modphp depends on -prefork, and -prefork conflicts with -worker. so worker gets removed and prefork gets installed |
| 18:45.26 | Shidash | cantido: So it is a matter of turning off modphp? |
| 18:45.36 | djcb | thanks, but apt-file does not give any matches |
| 18:45.51 | Coweater | tharkun: you're trying to set the physical dimensions? |
| 18:45.53 | cantido | Shidash: the only way to run php with the other models is to use something like cgi .. i.e. without PHP running inside apaches threads |
| 18:45.53 | djcb | it seems glibc infopages used to be in glibc-doc |
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| 18:45.57 | djcb | but not anymore |
| 18:45.58 | tharkun | Coweater: yes |
| 18:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: What's the point of running graphics at that res? |
| 18:46.06 | cantido | Shidash: that has its own advantages/disadvantages |
| 18:46.28 | Amarande | cantido: I'm not exactly sure if /etc/hosts is used for reverse, but I always thought it was. |
| 18:46.28 | Shidash | okay, thanks |
| 18:46.32 | Shidash | I will figure something out |
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| 18:46.36 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: that is not res it is phisical size expressed in mm your 15in monitor should be around |
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| 18:46.49 | cantido | Shidash: do you want the -worker model? |
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| 18:47.00 | aPpYe | hello? seems I am still quieted or whatever. great ... |
| 18:47.02 | Woet | tharkun: since when do you express monitor size in mm?! |
| 18:47.15 | deego` | aPpYe: I can hear you. |
| 18:47.25 | aPpYe | deego`, oh |
| 18:47.28 | cantido | Woet: I think you can do that so that it calculates the correct DPI |
| 18:47.31 | aPpYe | :) |
| 18:47.38 | tharkun | Woet: Wrong person to ask run xrandr on your display and see for yourself |
| 18:47.54 | Woet | tharkun: i don't use linux in combination with a GUI. |
| 18:48.11 | aPpYe | well, I am just gonna use my rc.local hacks then... |
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| 18:48.13 | Woet | cantido: oh, i see |
| 18:48.22 | tharkun | Woet: one of the niceties of running linux on a desktop |
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| 18:50.47 | tharkun | Anyway, i tried using xrandr to no avail. i tried adding DisplaySize 304 228 on Section "Monitor" and it did not work either. Why does it work ok on lenny and it does not work at all on squeeze. Also a way to fix it would be very much apreciated. It's been some days working on this isue now. |
| 18:51.03 | bania | ACTION |
| 18:51.03 | bania | \a |
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| 19:10.58 | Tigerboy | any info regarding alsa sound in Deb? I have multiple audio- USB, HTML, Sound card etc and it works fine on Ubuntu but after recent updates I cannot seem to have one thing using the sound at the same time another thing is... |
| 19:11.20 | Tigerboy | then sound crashes and I have to reboot to get it back |
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| 19:25.30 | upepo | how do I tar a file that is 2 gigs or more without having it crash |
| 19:25.53 | jelly-home | upepo: having what crash. |
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| 19:26.03 | zoidberg- | Hey guys, where can I find a debian PPC .iso from ? |
| 19:26.11 | zoidberg- | I can't see the download on the main site? |
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| 19:26.41 | jaakkos | upepo: there should be no such limit. |
| 19:26.42 | jelly-home | upepo: what is the exact command line you're using? If you're using a GUI tool, try using tar directly instead. |
| 19:27.07 | somiaj | upepo: did you read the links I sent you earlier. I have also told you to check your xorg log file to see why the keyboard is disabled |
| 19:27.13 | kristian-aalborg | jelly-home, should be linux only |
| 19:27.24 | somiaj | also if you are taring over samba or something else, the file limitation could be there |
| 19:27.26 | lapsusbrutus | hi guys, something broke when upgrading to 3.0 kernel. http://pastebin.com/xFJbwVML Any suggestions for what to do? What I have done already is " aticonfig --initial " ; restarted X ; rebooted when that didnt work. Card is HD4850 and drivers from repos |
| 19:28.07 | jelly-home | kristian-aalborg: linux doesn't care about the alignment of partitions, so you may just ignore the fdisk warning. |
| 19:28.24 | Amarande | are you using the open source drivers for the card or are you using closed source fglrx? |
| 19:28.37 | Tigerboy | is there a way to force apt or aptitude or synaptic to remove a package from the system that requires you to remove many other packages without removing anything but the one package? |
| 19:28.40 | jelly-home | kristian-aalborg: it would be different if that was a partition used for windows older than Vista. |
| 19:28.49 | Amarande | and if the latter, have you checked the bug tracker on AMD's site thoroughly? fglrx has been well known over the years for having some real honkers of bugs, some of which they take quite some time to fix |
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| 19:29.30 | somiaj | Tigerboy: there is a way, but it will break any package that depends on the package you are removing, which is why apt doesn't let you do it. |
| 19:29.58 | somiaj | Tigerboy: what package are you trying to remove and what things that depend on it are also being removed you don't want to remove. |
| 19:30.26 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: check glxinfo |
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| 19:31.39 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: pretty much get the same info as here: http://pastebin.com/xFJbwVML |
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| 19:32.05 | Tigerboy | Stew; alsa-tools and alsa-utils seem to show the current wheezy version at 1.0.24* |
| 19:32.07 | aussa | can I have 32 bit debian installed on 64 bit system? |
| 19:32.24 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: not even close...I want the output of glxinfo -- if its erroring, chceck dmesg and your xorg log for why the glx drivers aren't being loaded. |
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| 19:32.30 | stew | Tigerboy: the userspace tools shouldn't matter |
| 19:32.33 | buhman | I'm having a weird problem on one of my remote machines |
| 19:32.38 | somiaj | aussa: yes (you can even install a 64bit kernel but have 32bit binaries) |
| 19:32.48 | Tigerboy | alsa-base |
| 19:32.56 | buhman | screenshot http://www.postimg.com/47000/photo-46528.jpg |
| 19:32.57 | Tigerboy | shows 1.0.23 |
| 19:32.59 | lapsusbrutus | aussa: yes, but you should use 64 unless you have a very good reason not to :) |
| 19:33.22 | buhman | the local machine is running rxvt-unicode-256 color |
| 19:33.23 | Tigerboy | Stew: source is 1.0.23* |
| 19:33.34 | buhman | $TERM is rxvt-256color |
| 19:33.39 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: unless he has more than 4gigs of memory it really doesn't matter that much if the binaries are 32bit or 64bit -- 32bit still has better compadability with some software. |
| 19:33.40 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: ok, thanks Ill check :) |
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| 19:33.51 | buhman | localmachine ssh'es remotemachine; screen; finch -> bad |
| 19:33.57 | buhman | localmachine ssh'es remotemachine; finch -> good |
| 19:34.04 | aussa | ok ty |
| 19:34.04 | buhman | remotemachine ssh's itself; screen; finch -> good |
| 19:34.11 | buhman | localmachine (no ssh); screen; finch -> good |
| 19:34.48 | buhman | $TERM inside the screen is "screen" in all cases |
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| 19:35.15 | buhman | (except for where remote machine screens, there it would be "screen.linux") |
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| 19:35.55 | Tigerboy | Stew: do you know what the repo package name would be? |
| 19:36.01 | aussa | when I run X -configure it creates a xorg.conf file, the problem is it detects 2 screens, I only have one, when I log into X, I only see screen 2... this is the xorg.conf file: http://paste.debian.net/128880/ |
| 19:36.12 | buhman | Screen version 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 2-May-06 remotely |
| 19:36.24 | buhman | Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06 locally |
| 19:37.57 | Tigerboy | Stew: all of my alsa packages are Wheezy based |
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| 19:38.09 | stew | the repo package name of what? |
| 19:38.12 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: hmm dmesg|grep fglrx gives no output, grep ati = nothing interesting. glxinfo gives the same info as glxgears, errors. hmm you have an idea for where to look? or how to look? :) |
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| 19:38.26 | Tigerboy | Stew: you said my alsa |
| 19:38.29 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: what driver does it say xorg loaded? |
| 19:38.40 | Tigerboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.48 | stew | Tigerboy: linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64 |
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| 19:39.07 | Tigerboy | stew: yes that is the kernel I m using |
| 19:39.29 | stew | Tigerboy: nothing is the wrong version. if you were running a version older than the available alsa-source package you could compile newer drivers, but it looks like we don't have newer out of tree drivers, the drivers in your kernel are newest |
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| 19:39.46 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: hmm I dont know where to look :s |
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| 19:40.02 | Tigerboy | Stew: ok yep I am using the standard kernel in the repos for wheezy |
| 19:40.06 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:40.17 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: also lsmod -- see if the fglxr module is installed |
| 19:40.18 | bobweaver | ok the dreaded question that i did not want to ask. how to make debian package |
| 19:40.19 | lapsusbrutus | ahh right :) |
| 19:40.30 | Tigerboy | Stew: my problem is the sound works at first but see |
| 19:40.36 | lapsusbrutus | tried lsmod, no fglrx there |
| 19:40.36 | Tigerboy | seems to cras |
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| 19:41.17 | yagoo | aussa, i thought X -configure creates xorg.new.conf in ~ (/root) |
| 19:41.20 | Tigerboy | Stew: something to do with running two or more things |
| 19:41.39 | aussa | yagoo: but I moved it and replace it on /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:41.51 | stew | Tigerboy: does anything show up in dmesg when it breaks? |
| 19:42.01 | yagoo | aussa, X can also work without any xorg.conf .. it'll use the defaults it detected |
| 19:42.23 | Tigerboy | Stew: cannot access alsa something else is using it or similar |
| 19:42.24 | lapsusbrutus | aha! thanks somiaj: [ 29.853] (WW) fglrx(0): * kernel module (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incompatible * |
| 19:42.31 | aussa | yagoo: yes, but I need it to detect and use the nvidia drivers |
| 19:42.46 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: did you install the headers for your new kernel so the dkms pacakage can create the module. (: |
| 19:42.47 | stew | Tigerboy: and you have a .asoundrc? |
| 19:42.49 | lapsusbrutus | got the problem well defined at least:) |
| 19:43.03 | Tigerboy | Stew: yes i made one for the user and in etc |
| 19:43.03 | yagoo | aussa, oh you want nvidia to be used.. dunno.. you don't pastebin it? |
| 19:43.08 | somiaj | yagoo: but it won't use the nvidia module with out a config file -- his issue |
| 19:43.11 | stew | Tigerboy: does it work better without them? |
| 19:43.50 | stew | Tigerboy: does your .asoundrc include dmix? |
| 19:43.50 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: hmm no, thats a good idea :D would that happen automagically? |
| 19:43.56 | Tigerboy | stew: well the good thing was it made the needed default sound card the default so when I start the system it works great. |
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| 19:44.25 | stew | Tigerboy: you should just do that with module alias instead |
| 19:44.26 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: depending on how you built your fglxr pacakage. But yes you need the headers so the dkms (default) pacakge can build it |
| 19:44.33 | stew | and ditch the .asoundrc if that is all it is doing for you |
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| 19:44.39 | aussa | http://paste.debian.net/128880/ |
| 19:44.43 | aussa | yagoo: http://paste.debian.net/128880/ |
| 19:44.56 | yagoo | aussa, you should also pastebin the log |
| 19:45.39 | stew | Tigerboy: see the README.Debian in alsa-base about how to setup the module aliases |
| 19:45.53 | Tigerboy | Stew: Ok I think I did set it up with names of cards to reorder which helped too but the problem is being able to switch the card I'm using for programs and at this point even being able to use the one sound system throughout a session is not working |
| 19:46.00 | Tigerboy | stew: thank you |
| 19:46.28 | stew | Tigerboy: or add dmix to your asoundrc |
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| 19:46.57 | Tigerboy | Stew: ubuntu machines I have seem to work very good with pulse so I hope for a good future with the .99. pulse in experimental |
| 19:47.08 | Tigerboy | Stew: thank you stew |
| 19:47.28 | somiaj | ubuntu does spend a good amount of time making sure all applications are compadable with pulse, not sure debian plans on going that route. |
| 19:47.38 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: Thanks a lot for great help! linux-headers-3.0.0-1-amd64_3.0.0-3_amd64.deb + dependencies are being installed atm. what do I need to do you think for fglrx package to start compiling for new kernel? |
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| 19:47.45 | aussa | yagoo: http://paste.debian.net/128894/ |
| 19:48.05 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: dpkg-reconfigure <name of fglxr dkms pkg> |
| 19:48.09 | yagoo | aussa, is this a config issue? (X displays but on the wrong screen?) |
| 19:48.18 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: need that to recreate the moduls |
| 19:48.56 | aussa | yagoo: yes, I only have 1 screen it detects 2, and displays the second one |
| 19:48.57 | lapsusbrutus | aptitude reinstall fglrx-modules-dkms? |
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| 19:49.20 | lapsusbrutus | ahh sure sorry didnt see your first post :? |
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| 19:49.26 | lapsusbrutus | :) |
| 19:49.33 | yagoo | aussa, did u try replacing line 90 and line 120 ? (replace Card0 to be Card1, and Card1 to be Card0 on those two lines) |
| 19:49.51 | yagoo | aussa, sorry line 91 and line 121 |
| 19:50.11 | aussa | I'd try that |
| 19:50.13 | yagoo | ok |
| 19:50.23 | yagoo | tried or will try? |
| 19:50.31 | aussa | will |
| 19:50.46 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: then you can just modprobe fglrx and restartX |
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| 19:52.56 | yagoo | aussa, this is a laptop i can tell |
| 19:53.08 | aussa | yagoo: ok, it worked, now the problem is the mouse got lost hahaha |
| 19:53.08 | yagoo | aussa, it says synaptics in the log.. |
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| 19:53.20 | yagoo | (unless i'm wrong it's not a laptop) |
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| 19:53.40 | rolandpish | in my debian lamp box, what should I configure to be able to have a php.ini for each project or folder? |
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| 19:55.55 | buhman | why is apt being mean? |
| 19:55.56 | buhman | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/12231/ |
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| 19:56.34 | aussa | yagoo: it worked, but how do I delete that second screen? |
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| 19:58.47 | mah454 | hello ... |
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| 19:59.56 | lapsusbrutus | somiaj: Worked! THanks a lot!! Ill never forget about the importance of kernel header again :) framerates as never before |
| 20:00.13 | lapsusbrutus | one happy customer :p |
| 20:00.19 | yagoo | aussa, well if you decide to hook something to it and restart X, it'll be used.. u can always delete the whole "Screen#" section that is related to the one you're referring to.. |
| 20:00.34 | somiaj | lapsusbrutus: (: |
| 20:00.41 | aussa | yagoo: I'll try that |
| 20:00.45 | yagoo | aussa, is this a mac btw? |
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| 20:01.24 | aussa | yagoo: no |
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| 20:02.47 | stew | rolandpish: use "php_value" in the VirtualHost definitions possibly inside a <Directory> stanza |
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| 20:03.42 | rolandpish | stew: thanks! I'll give it a try immediately |
| 20:03.43 | yagoo | aussa, but it's laptop ? |
| 20:04.06 | dud | how can i show the harddisk type? |
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| 20:04.20 | yagoo | dud, ? |
| 20:04.24 | stew | rolandpish: fo course, look up how to use php_value |
| 20:04.26 | dud | yeah the brand and model |
| 20:04.29 | yagoo | dud, many ways to find out the brand.. |
| 20:04.47 | dud | yeah many ways go to rome |
| 20:04.53 | yagoo | even listing the partitions can show the model |
| 20:05.03 | rolandpish | stew: yes. Researching on that right now :) |
| 20:05.06 | dud | fdisk -l shows only the size |
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| 20:05.44 | somiaj | dud: there are various tools, hdparm might get such info, lshw seems to list it. Sometimes you can find it in dmesg when the drive is initilized |
| 20:05.52 | amphi | dud: hdparm -I /dev/foo |
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| 20:06.00 | amphi | for one |
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| 20:06.55 | dud | i think hdporm was ok |
| 20:06.58 | dud | hdparm -i |
| 20:07.11 | amphi | -I is more verbose if I recall correctly |
| 20:07.20 | lansiir | Is it possible to install debian with the first DVD, then have it find the other 7 on my hard drive so I don't have to burn them? |
| 20:07.41 | amphi | dud: and more readable ;) |
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| 20:08.18 | dud | fascinating |
| 20:08.20 | somiaj | lansiir: any reason you don't want to use the 'online repos' |
| 20:08.32 | somiaj | lansiir: but yes you can mount the iso's and scan them with apt-cdrom |
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| 20:08.55 | somiaj | lansiir: though you may have to mount the right iso to actually install something off of it (i.e. you mount the iso as opposd to putting the cdrom in the drive) |
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| 20:09.15 | lansiir | somiaj: Because I have downloading things multiple times. || mount /dev/sdb1 && mount -o <isofile>? |
| 20:09.42 | somiaj | lansiir: no, its mount -o loop /path/to/iso /media/cdrom |
| 20:10.09 | lansiir | I only have so many cdrom drives -_-" |
| 20:10.13 | somiaj | lansiir: just do that when apt asks to 'scan the cd' for each image -- it won't notice the difference if you mount it as a loopback device or mount the actual cdrom. |
| 20:10.15 | lansiir | (to mount to) |
| 20:10.20 | somiaj | lansiir: no you only mount one at a time. |
| 20:10.36 | dud | a western ganjasmall with 5400 -7200 rpm |
| 20:10.37 | somiaj | lansiir: and the unmount it (its the same thing as putting in and taking out the cdrom from the drive basically) |
| 20:10.41 | dud | good drives |
| 20:10.42 | lansiir | I know. |
| 20:10.54 | lansiir | But what about the second cdrom, and so on? |
| 20:11.05 | lansiir | /media/cdrom1 |
| 20:11.06 | lansiir | ? |
| 20:11.33 | yagoo | lansiir, you'd have to use -o loop for mounting an .iso |
| 20:11.37 | dud | i wait for 2 platter 2tb disks, i hope the samsung f5 got that so we can expect a 50 dollar 2tb disk sooner or later |
| 20:12.35 | mah454 | yagoo, for mounting iso files must use "-o loop" ... |
| 20:12.48 | lansiir | yesyesyes |
| 20:12.56 | dud | a friend told me i have to backup /dev/random how should i do that? |
| 20:12.59 | lansiir | But to mount 7 ISO images, plus the one in the CD drive |
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| 20:13.10 | lansiir | dud: You don't need to back that up >.> |
| 20:13.32 | yagoo | lansiir, if i had enough space, i'd basically just copy all the .debs from the cds onto the drive, and then use "file:///" as a source repository (this requires using at least dpkg-scanpackages command to make index files) |
| 20:13.56 | somiaj | lansiir: mount it in the same place...and unmount the other one |
| 20:13.58 | lansiir | Wait. |
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| 20:14.08 | Amarande | dud: that's an attempt to play a practical joke on you :) |
| 20:14.10 | mah454 | lansiir, please wait ... . you must make multi directory for mounting iso files in directory -------> On iso = On mount point |
| 20:14.19 | lansiir | I understood all of the steps, until I have to find 7 new mount-points |
| 20:14.25 | somiaj | lansiir: apt-cdrom will ask you to 'scan disc 1' -- put disc 1 -- then it will ask for disc 2 -- remove disc 1, mount disc 2---then umount disc 2 mount disc3- etc |
| 20:14.26 | Amarande | the /dev/random device gives an infinite stream of random bytes, it'd fill up all your space and still not be "finished" :) |
| 20:14.34 | somiaj | lansiir: you only need one mount point. |
| 20:14.35 | lansiir | I see. |
| 20:14.56 | yagoo | lansiir, you can probably add all the unknown mountpoints to the apt' settings (apt-cdrom) ? |
| 20:14.59 | somiaj | lansiir: then when you install something it will say 'please put in dvd 3' -- that means mount the dvd3 iso as opposed to putting the dvd in |
| 20:15.16 | lansiir | How do I get to the commandline in between discs? |
| 20:15.22 | lansiir | Alt-F* |
| 20:15.23 | lansiir | ? |
| 20:15.27 | yagoo | lol |
| 20:15.31 | somiaj | lansiir: yea you could create multiple mount points, but for regular opreation you don't need those ios's mounted so no need to have them all mounted at once. |
| 20:15.36 | yagoo | alt-f1 ? that brings you to tty1 |
| 20:15.46 | lansiir | >.> |
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| 20:16.05 | yagoo | it's actually ctl-alt-f1 |
| 20:16.06 | lansiir | I'm a slackware user, please don't hurt me <.< |
| 20:16.33 | somiaj | yagoo: no its not.....the ctrl is just required to get from X |
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| 20:16.46 | yagoo | (if u're in X, alt-f1 won't be good enough.. but if u do alt-<arrow> or alt-f# from plaintext console -- it works) |
| 20:17.17 | chao|2 | My APT is broken because of my libxine1-x package: I cannot upgrade or remove or install any package right now |
| 20:17.21 | somiaj | but if your in X you can open another terminal |
| 20:17.24 | somiaj | or just use screen or tmux |
| 20:17.35 | chao|2 | http://pastebin.com/xXeFseGC |
| 20:17.38 | somiaj | chao|2: what does 'apt-get -f install' do? |
| 20:17.39 | yagoo | um.. he's not stupid.. |
| 20:18.07 | chao|2 | somiaj: It returns the same errors as on that pastebin |
| 20:18.18 | lansiir | Thanks for all the help! |
| 20:18.20 | somiaj | chao|2: what version of debian? check the bts for the package? |
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| 20:18.25 | chao|2 | Something to do with a corrupt package status? |
| 20:18.29 | lansiir | considers just burning all of the DVDs anyway :P |
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| 20:18.59 | somiaj | chao|2: yea that was what I was going to say |
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| 20:19.08 | chao|2 | but I don't think it's the package itself that's the issue. It's the package status files in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 20:19.24 | chao|2 | I've never had this mess up before though. |
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| 20:20.21 | rolandpish | stew: I could add a couple of php_value directives in the virtual host configuration and it worked flawlessly. Thanks! |
| 20:20.25 | lansiir | One last thing. Is there a place I can go to read whats on each of the DVDs? |
| 20:20.33 | somiaj | chao|2: ls /var/backups (there are some backups) or you could try to just modify the file and fix the error, add a 'hi' for the description. |
| 20:20.50 | hexacode | hey you guys...#apache sent me here to ask my question: i just wanted to know if the apache2.conf file is taking the place of the httpd.conf file? most websites tell me to edit the httpd.conf file, but in my apache install, the httpd.conf file is emtpy, but the apache2.conf is not....i just want to know if the apache2.conf file is where i should make changes instead of httpd.conf? |
| 20:20.58 | dkr | how do I get aptitude to show me the exact url it is getting a 404 on? I thought the issue was with my repo proxy but I get some 404s when I switch to use ftp.us.debian.org directly, too |
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| 20:21.05 | somiaj | lansiir: once you have apt scan all the cdroms you don't really need to know what is on what dvd -- apt will ask you for the right dvd when you ask it to install something. |
| 20:21.27 | somiaj | dkr: have you ran apt-get update |
| 20:21.41 | somiaj | dkr: maybe the package had a security fix and was removed and replaced with the newer version |
| 20:21.44 | stew | hexacode: i'd recommend not changing things in apache2.conf, but to put customizations into httpd.conf or ports.conf or one of the sites defined in sites-enabled |
| 20:22.08 | dud | hdparm -M 128 /dev/sda - /dev/sdm |
| 20:22.21 | stew | hexacode: what is an example of something you wanted to customize? |
| 20:22.31 | dkr | somiaj: the update is what gets the 404s |
| 20:22.47 | somiaj | dkr: put the output in paste.debian.net |
| 20:23.22 | kristian-aalborg | hurm |
| 20:23.26 | dkr | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/128901/ |
| 20:23.29 | kristian-aalborg | I borkened my install :/ |
| 20:23.31 | hexacode | stew....sorry for my ignorance...im pretty noob...im actually just trying to work on drupal..and whenever i run into some problems, the tutorials sometimes say to add lines or uncomment lines in httpd.conf but that file is empty o i just wanted to know where i would be adding or uncommenting things? i was assuming apache2.conf but i dont want to just assume, i want to know. |
| 20:23.50 | kristian-aalborg | how to hide a folder from the user, but still let him/her have user permissions? |
| 20:24.21 | stew | hexacode: it depends on what change you are trying to make |
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| 20:24.50 | stew | hexacode: most of the time i'd expect you were editing a <VirtualHost> in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 20:24.58 | difree | kristian-aalborg, maybe ln /folder /home/user/.folder will work ? |
| 20:25.12 | somiaj | dkr: and the output of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:25.17 | stew | hexacode: debian doesn't have a monolithic httpd.conf file, the configuration is spread around into different files |
| 20:25.27 | yagoo | aussa, lol.. you must be playing around with the font sizes because the EDID was not detected |
| 20:25.33 | yagoo | :) |
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| 20:25.44 | stew | hexacode: (by default, you can change it to work however you like, of course) |
| 20:25.46 | hexacode | so stew where would i put this then "LoadModule rewrite_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_rewrite.so" |
| 20:25.53 | gomaaz | hi there |
| 20:26.04 | hexacode | i just want it to work for drupal |
| 20:26.17 | stew | hexacode: you would run "a2enmod rewrite" to create the symlinks from /etc/apache2/mods-available to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 20:26.26 | chao|2 | If I backup from a dpkg package status file in /var/backups won't my system be confused about which packages are installed or not? |
| 20:26.31 | yagoo | hexacode, it may be there already.. just uncomment that line |
| 20:26.42 | stew | yagoo: no, see my answer |
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| 20:27.07 | hexacode | ok wait lol...stew and yagoo am i in the wrong folder? |
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| 20:27.23 | gomaaz | my xorg config is failing |
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| 20:27.28 | gomaaz | can anybody help me? |
| 20:27.29 | stew | hexacode: it doesn't matter what folder you are in |
| 20:27.37 | aussa | gomaaz: mine too... hahaha |
| 20:27.47 | gomaaz | ^^ |
| 20:27.55 | yagoo | aussa, the edid was not discovered-- your log says this.. |
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| 20:28.02 | gomaaz | had a black screen after restart….config says there is no screen |
| 20:28.11 | cantido | gomaaz: paste your log |
| 20:28.15 | marconm1 | is there some app for change the layout keyboard |
| 20:28.22 | yagoo | aussa, is this a laptop? |
| 20:28.22 | somiaj | chao|2: depends on how many changes. But yes there is no easy way to fix a corrupt status file -- though if its only that one line that is bad you could just manually add a desription. |
| 20:28.27 | gomaaz | whats the package called for pastebin from terminal? |
| 20:28.36 | somiaj | !pastbinint |
| 20:28.37 | dud | i hope it looks good: http://hoden.dyndns.tv/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic |
| 20:28.41 | hexacode | ill fiddle around a bit more |
| 20:28.50 | stew | hexacode: what happens when you run "a2enmod rewrite"? |
| 20:28.52 | dkr | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/128902/ of course that's modified from when I had it configured to use the proxy. I'm just trying to figure out how to get aptitude to show me what url it is trying to fetch |
| 20:29.01 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 20:29.01 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 20:29.05 | dkr | I guess I could use strace |
| 20:29.10 | hexacode | stew im going to run it now |
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| 20:29.28 | yagoo | aussa, "(WW) Sep 08 14:11:22 NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI |
| 20:29.43 | hexacode | stew...looks promising...im going to have to restart apache hold up |
| 20:29.45 | yagoo | aussa, "(WW) Sep 08 14:11:22 NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device CRT-0's EDID; cannot compute DPI" line 179 |
| 20:29.48 | yagoo | oops |
| 20:29.52 | yagoo | sorry i did that twice |
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| 20:30.35 | chao|2 | somiaj: The line 35388 in question is: |
| 20:30.37 | chao|2 | Conflicts: libxine1 (<< 1.1.8-2) |
| 20:30.38 | somiaj | dkr: comment out the second line your sources.list file and try again (just seeing if its the security line) -- also why not just use security.debian.org for that. |
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| 20:30.43 | stew | hexacode: running that command created the symlink: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load -> ../mods-available/rewrite.load |
| 20:30.54 | somiaj | chao|2: seems its missing a Description: field |
| 20:31.14 | stew | hexacode: there is also "a2dismod" for disabling. there are a2ensite/a2dissite that do similar things with the sites-enabled/sites-available directories |
| 20:31.39 | hexacode | thanks stew |
| 20:31.43 | hexacode | this is what i get stew |
| 20:31.49 | hexacode | "Enabling module rewrite. |
| 20:31.49 | hexacode | Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' to activate new configuration! |
| 20:31.54 | chao|2 | Should I just add the 3 missing fields with random text? |
| 20:32.24 | hexacode | stew...that woked but drupal still says my system doesnt support clean urls...maybe my problem is elsewhere |
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| 20:32.43 | dkr | somiaj: because I blindly replaced my local repo proxy with ftp.us. which was obviously dumb. thanks. actually that wasn't it. same 404s. so commented out security and no 404s |
| 20:33.03 | somiaj | dkr: now add correct security.debian.org line (: |
| 20:33.15 | aussa | yagoo: yes, this is a laptop |
| 20:33.24 | chao|2 | somiaj: Strange, it worked@ |
| 20:33.24 | yagoo | aussa, what model is it? |
| 20:33.25 | somiaj | chao|2: I'd try it (but backup first) |
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| 20:33.42 | dkr | somiaj: I did that first. that's what I meant by "that wasn't it" |
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| 20:33.47 | yagoo | aussa, often at times there can be laptop tweak parameters for some modules |
| 20:33.52 | rolandpish | I use my wheezy lamp as a development box. I'm using apache2-mpm-itk(for multiuser) + libapache2-mod-php. For a development environment is libapache2-mod-fcgid more recommended or is it more for production servers? |
| 20:34.02 | gomaaz | http://pastebin.com/cH6tq1mz |
| 20:34.05 | gomaaz | there is my conf |
| 20:34.08 | gomaaz | aaand |
| 20:34.23 | aussa | yagoo: ASUS N53JF, geforce gt 425m video card |
| 20:34.33 | stew | hexacode: i would guess that you then need to actually put some rewriting rules into that virtual host, or to enable .htaccess to create these rules |
| 20:34.41 | somiaj | dkr: well you see where the error is at least -- not sure why the security updates aren't working. |
| 20:34.47 | stew | hexacode: although I'd strongly discourage ever using .htaccess if it can be helped |
| 20:34.55 | dkr | somiaj: or the domain wasn't it, but the path was wrong. duh. for proxy it was http://deb:999/security http://security.debian.org/ so had to change the path, too. not just domain |
| 20:35.16 | dkr | somiaj: thanks. now to figure out why approx gives 404s when fecthing directly doesn't |
| 20:35.18 | somiaj | dkr: yes that was what I ment -- fix it (: |
| 20:35.36 | stew | hexacode: http://drupal.org/node/43783 |
| 20:35.59 | hexacode | thanks stew |
| 20:36.34 | dkr | I should submit a wishlist bug to make it so you can see the actual url being attempted resulting in the 404. I can't fathom why it hides that |
| 20:37.13 | dkr | would make debugging silly mistakes in sources.list easier, I think |
| 20:37.15 | yagoo | aussa, one factor that the EDID is not being picked up from the videocard is because you may be using a very long vga cord or a kvm switch |
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| 20:38.22 | yagoo | aussa, i'm seeing a similar model but dont know how related its hardware is (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linuxquestions-org-member-success-stories-23/asus-n53jn-sz074v-laptop-configuration-everything-i-need-works-855759/ ) -- there's sound problems with that mentioned page.. |
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| 20:38.35 | yagoo | aussa, i got that link from http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/asus.html |
| 20:38.37 | gomaaz | this is my Xorg log |
| 20:38.37 | gomaaz | http://pastebin.com/qBwM7iqJ |
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| 20:38.54 | gomaaz | Failed to open framebuffer device |
| 20:38.56 | gomaaz | :/ |
| 20:39.02 | yagoo | aussa, try another vga cord.. preferably a shorter one and restart X.. |
| 20:40.31 | yagoo | gomaaz, i remember r128 cards are very problematic cards... |
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| 20:41.06 | yagoo | gomaaz, did u try to start X without an xorg.conf file ?(just rename it) |
| 20:41.13 | aussa | yaggo: I don't understand you, how do I try another vga cord? |
| 20:41.29 | gomaaz | hmm |
| 20:41.38 | yagoo | aussa, i don't know if ur using an externval vga port on your laptop.. |
| 20:41.46 | yagoo | nmind.. i guess u're looking at the built-in.. |
| 20:41.55 | aussa | yagoo: I'm not |
| 20:42.10 | yagoo | aussa, i'm not paid on this channel. |
| 20:42.14 | yagoo | goodness |
| 20:42.19 | yagoo | volunteers |
| 20:42.21 | gomaaz | ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02), here….is there an alternative to get it running? |
| 20:42.33 | alexb_1 | hi all, |
| 20:42.33 | alexb_1 | I ssh to server as a user using public key and I dont have to enter password, but than I'd like to run a script and I want to switch to root.so, in my script I use: su, but I dont get a prompt for password. is there any way to get password prompt when I use su remotely?thanks. |
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| 20:43.58 | abec0 | Do you *want* to get prompted, or would you care for a method that would work without being prompted at all ? |
| 20:43.58 | yagoo | and btw aussa.. the only info i've been using is that log and it says CRT. so I can't help more than the info i'm given. |
| 20:44.40 | abec0 | cause using ssh machine sudo do-something.sh could be useful, no ? |
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| 20:45.30 | ambro718 | How on earth do I get an init script installed? I have this in debian/rules http://pastebin.com/G56BPLSp and I have debian/badvpn-ncd.conf.upstart and debian/badvpn-ncd.defaults |
| 20:45.31 | ambro718 | dh_installscript is definitely running; in console I see "dh_installinit --name=badvpn-ncd". But the init script is completely ignore otherwise. No failure, it's just not packaged and installed. |
| 20:45.47 | somiaj | alexb_1: what is your script doing that needs root premisions. Maybe there is a better way to do it then running the program as root. Or if you need to do it as root, just ssh as root. |
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| 20:46.57 | somiaj | but I'm trying to recall, if you use ssh to run a script on a remote machine, does it actually get as far as giving you a full shell, it just might not be possible to be interactive that way. |
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| 20:47.44 | ponyofdeath | hi, is there a way to reload libc im seeing alot of segfauls with libc |
| 20:48.17 | PerfDave | ponyofdeath: What have you done? |
| 20:48.28 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: what version of debian? (apt-get has a --reinstall option) but it sounds like you have some other problems |
| 20:48.57 | ponyofdeath | Debian 6.0.2 |
| 20:49.04 | alexb_1 | abec0, yes I want to get a prompt after su |
| 20:49.09 | ponyofdeath | have not done anything system has been just running its a xen container |
| 20:49.30 | ponyofdeath | everything apt-get is throwing libc segfaults |
| 20:49.33 | PerfDave | ponyofdeath: Fresh install? |
| 20:49.39 | ponyofdeath | not fresh install |
| 20:49.54 | PerfDave | When did it start segfaulting? |
| 20:49.56 | abec0 | alexb_1: MAkes me curious about why, but you must have your reason |
| 20:50.00 | ponyofdeath | i just noticed it |
| 20:50.01 | abec0 | ;-) |
| 20:50.40 | abec0 | Anyway, I think you do need ssh -t |
| 20:50.44 | alexb_1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.48 | PerfDave | alexb_1: Are you sshing in as root? |
| 20:50.56 | alexb_1 | no as alex |
| 20:51.05 | ponyofdeath | PerfDave: only segfault stuff i see is in dmesg |
| 20:51.15 | ponyofdeath | PerfDave: and its about apt-get and apt-cache |
| 20:51.38 | abec0 | alexb_1: Yes, I did ssh machine su, and then ssh -t machine su, and the latter worked. |
| 20:51.52 | abec0 | alexb_1: Confirm ? |
| 20:52.08 | PerfDave | ponyofdeath: No other apps? |
| 20:52.11 | somiaj | alexb_1: you can change the ssh config, but I think the issue is because you are running a script (as opposed to login to a shell) you won't get a fully interactive shell. why not ssh in first then run the script. You'll get a prompt that way. |
| 20:52.25 | PerfDave | ponyofdeath: Can you paste the full error message from an apt-get command? |
| 20:52.27 | ponyofdeath | PerfDave: not that are in dmsg or that i have noticed |
| 20:52.29 | alexb_1 | I tried using ssh -t , but than it started asking password for user alex for each command |
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| 20:52.48 | abec0 | Hmm... |
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| 20:53.05 | ponyofdeath | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/s5J10ntL |
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| 20:53.28 | abec0 | I did not know su with no user specified could ask for a lambda user password. |
| 20:53.58 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: could it be a problem with the xen setup changing somehow |
| 20:54.25 | abec0 | I do confirm that (with no script, just that): ssh -t machine su root, |
| 20:54.31 | ponyofdeath | somiaj: no idea |
| 20:54.41 | abec0 | I did get a root shell on the remote machine. |
| 20:54.46 | ponyofdeath | somiaj: i will power off and fsck |
| 20:55.00 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: just throwing out random (but probabaly silly) ideas. |
| 20:55.16 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: but if your libc6 is corrupt, installing a new xem image is probabaly better than trying to fix |
| 20:55.19 | PerfDave | ponyofdeath: amd64 or i386? |
| 20:55.38 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: if its not the image that is the issue, maybe there is some addressing conflict between the guest and host causing the segfaults. |
| 20:55.56 | kristian-aalborg | difree, yes, I was thinking of that also |
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| 20:57.31 | ompaul | abec0: that seems very logical |
| 20:58.08 | PerfDave | abec0: That seems wrong somehow - have you been rooted? :) |
| 20:58.47 | abec0 | ompaul: Yes, I think so too. |
| 20:59.05 | abec0 | PerfDave: Why would you think it wrong ? |
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| 20:59.29 | abec0 | (I did give the password asked, so...) |
| 20:59.45 | ompaul | abec0: it should ask you for two passwords unless you are logging in as root |
| 20:59.50 | ompaul | from root |
| 21:00.18 | ompaul | abec0: ssh machine assumes the same user name |
| 21:00.21 | abec0 | ompaul: Oh, but the first one is skipped because of ssh-agent and all... ;-) |
| 21:00.35 | abec0 | ssh-add, and so on. |
| 21:00.44 | ompaul | abec0: so it had a key and then it asked you for roots password |
| 21:00.48 | ompaul | news at 11 :P |
| 21:00.50 | PerfDave | abec0: su should ask you for a password |
| 21:01.02 | abec0 | PerfDave: It did ;-) |
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| 21:01.07 | PerfDave | abec0: Ah OK |
| 21:01.08 | abec0 | And I gave it. |
| 21:01.13 | ompaul | so that is fine |
| 21:01.19 | abec0 | Didn't I say it ? ;-) |
| 21:01.37 | ompaul | abec0: you were intimating something else was the case |
| 21:01.38 | abec0 | I see why you would worry if that wasn't the case. ;-)) |
| 21:01.55 | ompaul | that is what I call a waste of irc |
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| 21:02.35 | lansiir | Just another 1:10:00 until debian install time \o/ |
| 21:02.36 | abec0 | Well, we did establish that nothing proved me rooted. ;-) |
| 21:03.20 | ompaul | abec0: in spite of you rather than with your help :P |
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| 21:04.19 | abec0 | Ah, the OP said he was looking for a prompt, and I said I did get what he wanted. So I did not re-mention that I got a prompt. ;-) |
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| 21:19.20 | DelphiWorld | Hello |
| 21:19.30 | DelphiWorld | do debian by default on boot shoot out to the serial port ? |
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| 21:23.25 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld; shoot what to the serial port? |
| 21:23.44 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: boot log, kernel, and give Shell access |
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| 21:30.56 | DelphiWorld | any reply ? |
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| 21:32.29 | buhman | why is debian broken? gah!! |
| 21:32.43 | buhman | nonsensical characters |
| 21:32.58 | ompaul | ²¢†please have some |
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| 21:33.09 | PerfDave | buhman: I don't know, why is your Debian broken :) |
| 21:33.12 | ompaul | gah is not in the channel right now |
| 21:33.28 | simonlnu | indeed, why is yours broken? |
| 21:33.33 | PerfDave | DelphiWorld: Do you mean in the installer, or an installed system? |
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| 21:33.45 | DelphiWorld | PerfDave: both:D |
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| 21:33.59 | ezflashback | hi everybody |
| 21:34.01 | buhman | well, when I run some sort of curses-gui on a remote debian machine, it looks just fine |
| 21:34.05 | ezflashback | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version |
| 21:34.05 | ezflashback | 2.6.26-2-486 on running kernel 3.0.0-1-486 in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 21:34.05 | ezflashback | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 (--configure): |
| 21:34.05 | ezflashback | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.05 | ezflashback | configured to not write apport reports |
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| 21:34.05 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, ezflashback |
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| 21:34.12 | PerfDave | DelphiWorld: Don't think either do by default, the Debian Installer manual should tell you how to fix one of those. |
| 21:34.22 | buhman | but when I try to run the same program inside a screen; there's all sorts of ugly nonsensical characters that pop up |
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| 21:34.27 | DelphiWorld | PerfDave: too dificult for blind users. |
| 21:34.28 | ezflashback | Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2.6.26-2-486 on running kernel 3.0.0-1-486 in mkinitramfs-kpkg mkinitrd.yaird |
| 21:34.35 | ezflashback | i get this error message |
| 21:34.38 | DelphiWorld | PerfDave: i prefer to have it enabled by default :( |
| 21:34.44 | ezflashback | when i want to update |
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| 21:35.14 | PerfDave | DelphiWorld: Feel free to file a bug on the installer :) |
| 21:35.24 | ezflashback | this is my sources.list ...deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 21:35.24 | ezflashback | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 21:35.25 | DelphiWorld | PerfDave: :P |
| 21:35.30 | ezflashback | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 21:35.30 | ezflashback | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 21:35.46 | somiaj | ezflashback: are you trying to install kernel 3.0.0 on lenny? Where did you get said kernel? |
| 21:35.58 | ezflashback | what is wrong ... and please could you explain it to a noob |
| 21:36.24 | ezflashback | could you pleeease explain, what i need to do step by step |
| 21:36.28 | PerfDave | ezflashback: Please use a damn pastbin |
| 21:36.44 | ezflashback | sorry |
| 21:36.45 | somiaj | ezflashback: what is it you are trying to do..all I see is you have a unstable kernel and a lenny kernel complaing about conflicting. |
| 21:36.55 | buhman | http://www.postimg.com/47000/photo-46548.jpg the top top windows are being run on the same machine; they are both rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 21:37.08 | ezflashback | wheezy/sid |
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| 21:37.17 | buhman | the left one is inside screen, the right is in not-screen |
| 21:37.24 | ezflashback | this what cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:38.09 | somiaj | ezflashback: so what is it you are trying to do? Why do you have an old lenny kernel on wheezy/sid? |
| 21:38.33 | ponyofdeath | PerfDave: so i re installed all the deps from packages.debian.org for apt with dpkg -i and still getting segfaults |
| 21:38.57 | ezflashback | dont know ... i just tried to update the kernel |
| 21:39.06 | ezflashback | and there something must be gone wrong |
| 21:39.07 | PerfDave | ezflashback: How did you try to update the kernel? |
| 21:39.11 | ezflashback | puuh |
| 21:39.30 | PerfDave | ezflashback: (a) you shouldn't be running Lenny, it's nearly out of support and (b) you shouldn't mixing packages from lenny and sid |
| 21:39.39 | PerfDave | ezflashback: Reinstall from scratch with Squeeze. |
| 21:39.55 | somiaj | ezflashback: why is a noob using testing and/or unstable? Really not sure at all what your system is setup to do, but it doesn't seem you should be running testing/unstable. |
| 21:40.35 | ezflashback | i edited the sources.list http://pastebin.com/gZDUVWnu |
| 21:41.19 | ezflashback | tried everything ... thought it would choose automaticly the right version |
| 21:41.36 | somiaj | ezflashback: congraglations you broke your system. Follow PerfDave advice |
| 21:41.41 | PerfDave | ezflashback: You have Done It Wrong (tm). |
| 21:42.13 | ezflashback | but it didnt ... so i f#+ked up my system ... so how do i repair my system? |
| 21:42.14 | PerfDave | ezflashback: I'm afraid to say, you told your system to use an incompatible mix of packages, and broken it. |
| 21:42.15 | daveo | ezflashback: "choose automatically" this is NOT windows |
| 21:42.31 | PerfDave | daveo: Like Windows chooses automatically.... |
| 21:42.37 | ezflashback | is there a chance to repair my system? |
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| 21:42.55 | PerfDave | ezflashback: Given how little you know what you're doing, your best option here is to reinstall. |
| 21:43.27 | somiaj | ezflashback: If you know what your doing you could completely upgrade to testing and fix things -- but there could be lots of things that breaka nd require a good amount of work to fix. If you are new, reinstalling stable is the sane suggestion. If you want to play around and learn, have fun (and I really maen have fun, if your not having fun its not for you) (: |
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| 21:44.13 | ezflashback | having fun means ... many hours of work ... |
| 21:44.27 | ezflashback | maybe f++kin it more up ... |
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| 21:44.41 | somiaj | its how you learn. |
| 21:45.09 | ezflashback | i'm not that dumb ... is there a chance to uninstall or upgrade it to a stable version? |
| 21:45.44 | PerfDave | ezflashback: No |
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| 21:45.59 | poisonbit | unless you have a valid backup of your system and data |
| 21:46.08 | PerfDave | You can't "upgrade" it to a stable version, you've "upgraded" it *from* a stable version to an unstable version |
| 21:46.25 | ezflashback | what about downgrading? |
| 21:46.58 | poisonbit | mantainer scripts of packages odes not support it |
| 21:47.05 | poisonbit | "does not" |
| 21:47.10 | Amarande | do you have any OS other than Linux installed, or is Linux all that you have on that system? |
| 21:47.27 | PerfDave | ezflashback: No operating system I'm aware of supports downgrading |
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| 21:47.47 | poisonbit | backed up operative systems |
| 21:47.49 | Amarande | If the latter, best to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1 bs=1024 and then reboot your install disc. |
| 21:48.21 | ezflashback | hmm ... i just have linux on that system ... but now i'm logged in from my windows computer |
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| 21:48.50 | PerfDave | Amarande: Why dd anything? Just boot the instalelr :) |
| 21:49.05 | somiaj | ezflashback: you could upgrade it to testing and then wait for testing to stabalize. But be preapred to fix breakages. |
| 21:49.39 | somiaj | ezflashback: down grading really doesn't work and its not setup to do such a thing |
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| 21:51.13 | ezflashback | soooo .... i still have Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.7 "Lenny" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 |
| 21:51.32 | ezflashback | on my usb stick, i used to use to install the whole thing |
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| 21:52.28 | ezflashback | which installer should i boot? |
| 21:52.32 | somiaj | ezflashback: you should grab the new stable, and just install squeeze (lenny will loose support soon anways) |
| 21:52.34 | cantido | PerfDave: windows used to save a whole copy of the existing OS so you could undo it .. like XP sp1 -> sp2 ;) |
| 21:52.36 | buhman | http://www.postimg.com/47000/photo-46550.jpg |
| 21:52.44 | buhman | debian seems to be broken ^ |
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| 21:53.08 | buhman | top-left is ssh'ed remote machine + screen + finch |
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| 21:53.16 | buhman | top-right is ssh'ed remote machine + finch |
| 21:53.20 | PerfDave | cantido: Going from stable to unstable is more like 98 -> 2003 ;) |
| 21:53.37 | buhman | bottom-left is local machine + screen + finch |
| 21:53.42 | PerfDave | buhman: Looks like your Debian is broken yes :) |
| 21:53.49 | cantido | Downgrading stuff from unstable to testing isnt usually so bad |
| 21:53.56 | illsci | I have a question about apt. This zenoss apt repo has all the older versions but apt-cache policy zenoss-stack only shows the latest version. http://dev.zenoss.org/deb/dists/main/stable/binary-i386/ I also can't apt-get install zenoss-stack=3.1.0 |
| 21:53.57 | buhman | PerfDave: how do I un-break this? |
| 21:54.02 | illsci | Why doesn't that work? |
| 21:54.18 | illsci | Does it have something to do with the way the repo is managed ? |
| 21:54.39 | ezflashback | hmmm ... ok ... where do i get a version to boot from my usb stick? |
| 21:54.49 | PerfDave | buhman: Somethign to do with LANG on local and/or remote settings, and whether you've configured screen to use UTF8, at afew guesses |
| 21:54.55 | PerfDave | ezflashback: Read the Debian Installation Manual :) |
| 21:55.31 | buhman | PerfDave: O.o local machine is en_US; remote is en_US-UTF-8 |
| 21:55.41 | buhman | PerfDave: might that possibly be the problem? |
| 21:55.45 | Amarande | yeah, I was going to say, that looks like a character encoding or terminal type mismatch |
| 21:55.58 | tharkun | Gentlemen what logic could have been added to X11 that values on xorg.conf are silently ignored? |
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| 21:56.07 | ambro718 | I made a package that installs config files. But when I install it with "dpkg -i file.deb", the config files are not installed. I have unpacked the .dep and verified that the config files are in fact there. |
| 21:56.14 | PerfDave | buhman: Probably not, if ssh to rmote + finch works. |
| 21:56.15 | ambro718 | How do I get the config files installed? |
| 21:56.16 | Pirolocito | hello all |
| 21:56.25 | PerfDave | buhman: Probably your screen config on the remote machine needs to enable UTF8 |
| 21:56.26 | buhman | PerfDave: I already said it does |
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| 21:57.02 | PerfDave | buhman: I was merely demonstrating my chain of thought rather than feeding you an answer, so you can play along at home :) |
| 21:57.52 | somiaj | ezflashback: debian.org (the netinstall cd/iso image can also be put on the usb stick) |
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| 21:58.10 | ezflashback | thx! |
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| 21:58.28 | ezflashback | or should i install it via network ... what would you prefer? |
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| 21:58.41 | PerfDave | ambro718: Sounds like you want #debian-devel |
| 21:58.49 | PerfDave | ezflashback: I always install from the first full DVD |
| 21:58.50 | somiaj | ezflashback: I'd suggest grabing the netinstall (its 200megs) and using that as the image for your usb |
| 21:59.27 | somiaj | ezflashback: the netinstall just contains the base system which is then enough to get online and download any other packages youw ant. |
| 21:59.39 | cantido | ezflashback: do you have a fast connection, and a NIC that works in the installer? |
| 21:59.39 | ezflashback | great :) |
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| 22:00.22 | cantido | ezflashback: if no to either of those get the one of the bigger images to save yourself headache |
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| 22:00.50 | PerfDave | First full DVD, and the non-free firmware if you're not sure you've got proper hardware |
| 22:01.34 | ezflashback | i just have 4gb compact-flash on my server |
| 22:01.34 | buhman | PerfDave: even starting screen -U changes nothing |
| 22:01.35 | ezflashback | ^^ |
| 22:01.38 | ezflashback | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 22:01.48 | ezflashback | is this the correct version for my usb stick? |
| 22:01.50 | buhman | so how do I "enable" utf-8 on the remote machine? |
| 22:02.09 | cantido | ezflashback: if you use unetbootin to create the usb stick it will do it for you |
| 22:02.20 | somiaj | buhman: does dpkg-reconfigure locales do it for you? |
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| 22:02.29 | PerfDave | buhman: I use "defutf8 on" in .screenrc |
| 22:03.54 | ezflashback | ok, so i download the version http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso and create a bootable usb device with unetbootin, right? |
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| 22:04.33 | buhman | somiaj: no effect |
| 22:04.36 | buhman | PerfDave: no effect |
| 22:04.36 | PerfDave | If only there were some kind of installation manual that told you how to do this |
| 22:04.49 | buhman | ezflashback: no |
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| 22:05.06 | buhman | ezflashback: dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4K |
| 22:06.37 | ezflashback | @buhman ,,, i dont understand, sorry. ... or should i use http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.2.1/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso this image and create a it via unetbootin? |
| 22:06.38 | gWilliam` | ezflashback: Error: "buhman" is not a valid command. |
| 22:06.51 | buhman | ezflashback: I just said no |
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| 22:07.11 | PerfDave | ezflashback: Why don't you read the installation manual that tells you how to do this? |
| 22:07.31 | PerfDave | It's almost like somebody wrote some stuff down so you don't have to ask pointless questions on IRC |
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| 22:08.19 | ezflashback | because the manual is like chinese to me ... and i want to make sure, i make it right. |
| 22:08.28 | ezflashback | thats why im disturbing you all |
| 22:08.31 | buhman | ezflashback: 17:13 < buhman> ezflashback: dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4K |
| 22:09.09 | zykotick9 | ezflashback, [supported reply follows] using Unetbootin is the ONLY way i can get any squeeze media to boot on my main desktop... you can use it, if you wish. |
| 22:09.22 | zykotick9 | s/supported/unsupported!!! |
| 22:09.51 | buhman | ezflashback: unetbootin causes more problems than it solves |
| 22:09.59 | buhman | ezflashback: these images are hybrid iso's for a reason |
| 22:10.03 | ezflashback | ok |
| 22:10.08 | ezflashback | so i wont user that |
| 22:10.22 | buhman | ezflashback: use dd like I've said twice now |
| 22:10.23 | ezflashback | i have a ready bootable usb device ... i have lenny on it |
| 22:10.32 | ezflashback | what is dd? |
| 22:10.48 | buhman | ezflashback: more or less something that copies data bit-by-bit |
| 22:10.58 | buhman | from the specified input file to the specified output file |
| 22:11.06 | ezflashback | ahhh |
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| 22:11.15 | ezflashback | no ... i dont need no copy |
| 22:11.33 | buhman | eh? so how do you plan on performing the installation |
| 22:11.46 | buhman | by using a ... not-copy of the install media? |
| 22:11.54 | zykotick9 | ezflashback, dd will put the iso onto your USB, you should also be able to use "cat" for that purpose. BUT, if dd fails - unetbootin ;) |
| 22:11.56 | buhman | writing your own installer? |
| 22:12.03 | aPpYe | are there any caveats to removing gdm3 and exim4 from init and putting them into rc.local? I want some scripts to run to completion before the display manager comes up. |
| 22:12.18 | ezflashback | no i meant ... i would plug my usb stick in my server |
| 22:12.18 | buhman | zykotick9: O.o cat? |
| 22:12.29 | ezflashback | and reinstall everything from my usb stick |
| 22:12.29 | buhman | ezflashback: so why don't you |
| 22:12.41 | zykotick9 | buhman, check the install manual it's in there with cat, not dd. |
| 22:12.53 | buhman | zykotick9: that seems like it would go extremely slow |
| 22:13.03 | ws2k3 | i wanne ask u people. which processor is bether : http://ark.intel.com/compare/35300,30783 |
| 22:13.04 | buhman | zykotick9: cat would copy character-by-character instead of 4K blocks, am I right? |
| 22:13.05 | aPpYe | or is there a better way to run the scripts? |
| 22:13.30 | zykotick9 | buhman, i've used cat for years to create ISOs, only makes sense the reverse would also be true. |
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| 22:13.51 | buhman | that ISO's cat you for years? |
| 22:13.58 | buhman | (in soviet russia?) |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | aPpYe: there is a better way to do that |
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| 22:15.26 | ezflashback | grr ... |
| 22:15.35 | ezflashback | dont know what to do know |
| 22:15.37 | ezflashback | :( |
| 22:16.03 | ezflashback | can i update from lenny to squeeze without having problems? |
| 22:16.33 | cantido | ezflashback: I did it two days ago .. went fine |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | ezflashback: depends .. mostly yes ... not always |
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| 22:16.53 | abrotman | !tell ezflashback about lenny->squeez |
| 22:16.54 | abrotman | !tell ezflashback about lenny->squeeze |
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| 22:16.56 | simonlnu | 'now' |
| 22:16.59 | ompaul | ezflashback: where you upgrade a box which has only debian packages on it, if you have random stuff from various places it might bite you |
| 22:17.07 | abrotman | !tell ezflashback about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:17.19 | abrotman | silly bot |
| 22:17.27 | abrotman | 'stupid human' |
| 22:17.36 | aPpYe | abrotman, do tell? I have been looking for things. Anything I put into init runs in the background while gdm comes up and does its thing. |
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| 22:18.21 | abrotman | aPpYe: is this lenny? |
| 22:18.22 | abrotman | erm .. squeeze? |
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| 22:18.35 | ezflashback | lets go! |
| 22:18.41 | ezflashback | press thumbs everybody! |
| 22:18.42 | aPpYe | abrotman, testing... squeeze? |
| 22:18.57 | aPpYe | abrotman, wheezy |
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| 22:20.33 | abrotman | list |
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| 22:22.03 | aPpYe | abrotman, was that for me? you pasted something that did not look right... |
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| 22:22.42 | abrotman | dpkg: tell aPpYe about lsb tags |
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| 22:25.18 | lindenle | Is there a way to make rdesktop read only when connected to a windows machine? |
| 22:26.30 | aPpYe | abrotman, so I would have to add code to the gdm3 script to make it depend on my script? What worries me about doing that is if a gdm update occurs it will overwrite my modified /etc/init.d/gdm3 ... of course I guess it would probably add it back into init as well ... |
| 22:27.57 | ezflashback | now it says |
| 22:28.04 | ezflashback | npt a com32 image |
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| 22:30.59 | ezflashback | debian-6.0.2.1-i386-netinst.iso i took this and now i extract its content on my usb stick |
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| 22:34.06 | abrotman | aPpYe: it's possible .. i'm just showing oyu a mildly better way to do it |
| 22:34.16 | abrotman | ezflashback: uh .. why do you need a CD? |
| 22:34.25 | seb82 | wols: you suggested running rdp... You got me so far... but how can i get sound working on this? |
| 22:36.21 | aPpYe | abrotman, as I understand what I am reading, I would have to edit /etc/init.d/gdm3 for this, right? |
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| 22:37.29 | seb82 | or does anyone else know how to work with sound on rdp? |
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| 22:41.21 | ezflashback | istallation in progress |
| 22:41.23 | ezflashback | ;) |
| 22:41.30 | ezflashback | seems to work ... |
| 22:42.12 | ezflashback | dont need a cd ... install the image via usb ... could you please show me the correct link to the imgae? |
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| 22:44.06 | abrotman | ezflashback: the bot already pointed you at instructions .. which you've ignored .. |
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| 22:46.32 | ezflashback | i didnt |
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| 22:55.40 | abrotman | you did |
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| 23:11.40 | abrotman | n0sq: is there a simymlink in rc2 ? |
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| 23:40.23 | onryo | why is the cmd killall under /bin/killall and not /sbin/killall ? Is this normal |
| 23:40.55 | onryo | sry /usr/killall and not /sbin/killall... |
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| 23:42.23 | th0r | onryo: killall can only kill processes for the user invoking the command. |
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| 23:43.04 | th0r | onryo: that is, owned by the user invoking the command |
| 23:43.56 | onryo | th0r fair enough. By the way It was /usr/bin/killall but I take it that you knew that. |
| 23:44.09 | th0r | onryo: yes, I assumed that |
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| 23:44.40 | th0r | onryo: the point is, it is a command that can be invoked by any user, so it belongs in /usr/bin instead of /sbin |
| 23:45.59 | onryo | th0r, OK thx. |
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| 23:48.49 | daedhel | hi, i'm on debian sid, I followed this wiki page, I have a nvidia card with the nouveau drivers, and plymouth is not working at boot. |
| 23:48.58 | daedhel | http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth |
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| 23:59.57 | Umeaboy | Hi! |
