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| 01:00.27 | sweetpi | I have a laptop with and elantech touchpad, trying to get it to work correctly. After adding the driver, scroll works but its erratic and I lost tap click. Anyone have knowledge of this touchpad? |
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| 01:05.08 | sweetpi | scrolling isnt that important, but clicking sounds like a click trainer on this laptop |
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| 01:08.43 | kristian-aalborg | does anyone know why mpd want x11-common? |
| 01:08.48 | kristian-aalborg | *wants |
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| 01:29.15 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: its probabaly compiled with it so x11 clients can talk to it |
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| 01:29.57 | somiaj | kristian-aalborg: to remove that you could compile your own package with different configure flags. But I think you can have the x11-common with out an actual xserver. |
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| 01:30.55 | kristian-aalborg | yes, it's not the end of the world |
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| 01:31.49 | sweetpi | doesnt look like it directly depends on it, must be from something else |
| 01:32.03 | gnarface | i think x11-common is just some text files |
| 01:32.09 | gnarface | and a symlink |
| 01:32.18 | gnarface | stuff like /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt |
| 01:32.55 | somiaj | yea and I guess it just creates the basic X11 directories. |
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| 01:33.52 | Kevin` | can anyone recommend an easy to use nas web frontend? |
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| 01:54.09 | mufasis | can someone here help me with setting up raid and debian? |
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| 01:58.34 | laidback_01 | seriously...? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+5+root+raid |
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| 02:02.37 | mufasis | laidback_01: ive already look there and followed that, there were some differences and it didnt work.....thats why im here |
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| 02:05.04 | hopstafarian | join #ubuntu-offtopic |
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| 02:05.48 | laidback_01 | mufasis: okay, so don't ask to ask, just ask the question. Asking to ask makes you appear to be very new... |
| 02:06.42 | mufasis | well im no pro haha so i am sorta new :/ im going to try something else and if it doesnt work ill be back with a specific question |
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| 02:07.14 | laidback_01 | and if you are somewhat experienced, this guide will help. It has a lot of pointers, and I think it matters not that they are talking about gentoo. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml |
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| 02:15.04 | H3ruS | is there a way to install debian on pendriver ? |
| 02:15.32 | bonjoyee | after yesterdays kernel update, gnome resource manager crashes...has anyone had the same issue? ( debian squeeze 64 bit) |
| 02:16.02 | bonjoyee | system monitor* |
| 02:16.20 | LocoenelCoco | hello, how do i know what packages come with stable? |
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| 02:17.14 | icebrain | LocoenelCoco: you mean, with the CD or all available in the repos? |
| 02:17.31 | LocoenelCoco | with the cd1 icebrain |
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| 02:20.03 | icebrain | LocoenelCoco: see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
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| 02:22.28 | icebrain | specifically, the list for the CD1 should be this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.2.1/i386/list-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-i386-CD-1.list.gz |
| 02:22.56 | LocoenelCoco | icebrain, thx bro |
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| 02:25.03 | icebrain | H3ruS: there's more than one way to do it, but I'd recommend Unetbootin: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:25.09 | LocoenelCoco | helped a lot |
| 02:25.52 | H3ruS | icebrain: i tryed to install like a HD |
| 02:26.08 | H3ruS | i disconnect all the HDs and connect just the USB pen |
| 02:26.18 | H3ruS | and install .. but the grub didnt install |
| 02:26.48 | LocoenelCoco | you must set your bios to boot from usb |
| 02:27.02 | H3ruS | i dnt understand |
| 02:27.19 | H3ruS | i dont want a botable pendriver |
| 02:27.24 | H3ruS | i want to install on it |
| 02:27.33 | H3ruS | install the debian on USB |
| 02:27.51 | icebrain | why do you say grub didn't install? |
| 02:28.00 | H3ruS | icebrain: coz didnt |
| 02:28.08 | H3ruS | get error |
| 02:29.37 | icebrain | well, the best I could do would be to google that error, so I'm not much of a help, sorry |
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| 02:34.41 | H3ruS | icebrain: thks |
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| 02:44.58 | hikenboot | i used to do this all the time but i forget how to can someone point me to a doc that shows how to build a file from a compile I really dont want to recompile every time I create a new almost identical vm so I want to create a package..thanks |
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| 02:56.52 | kbar | hey guys whats the command to launch networkmanager |
| 02:56.55 | kbar | its not networkmanager btw |
| 02:57.15 | Dulak | iirc it's network-manager |
| 02:57.17 | kbar | its not |
| 02:57.55 | Dulak | Mmm you're right, it's NetworkManager |
| 02:58.09 | Dulak | that's goofy, wonder why they used caps |
| 02:58.10 | somiaj | networkamanger is just a server, isn't it in /etc/init.d/networkmanager |
| 02:58.11 | kbar | hmmm |
| 02:58.24 | kbar | whats the command for it to show up in your widgets |
| 02:58.26 | kbar | or panel or whatever |
| 02:58.28 | kbar | the gui |
| 02:58.33 | somiaj | Dulak: I'd use the start sscript to start/stop the daemon. You will need a client to connect to it though. |
| 02:58.46 | somiaj | kbar: probabaly depends on if you have the gnome or kde client |
| 02:58.52 | somiaj | doens't use networkmanager |
| 02:58.52 | kbar | gnome |
| 02:59.22 | Dulak | kbar: the init script starts the daemon, you put the client in your startup session afaik so it runs at login |
| 02:59.34 | somiaj | looks like its called nm-applet |
| 02:59.38 | somiaj | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/network-manager-gnome/filelist |
| 02:59.41 | wolfe213 | how do I specify bind mounts in fstab? do I use "bind" for both fstype and options |
| 02:59.55 | kbar | ah nicely done somiaj |
| 02:59.57 | kbar | thanks guys |
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| 03:00.26 | fznocsj | test |
| 03:00.32 | somiaj | wolfe213: google told me 'none' as the fstype |
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| 03:01.00 | wolfe213 | ah |
| 03:01.53 | Dulak | wolfe213: don't think the fstype matters on a bind mount, mine is set to blah and it works |
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| 03:11.13 | wolfe213 | Dulak: ah, ok |
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| 03:18.19 | snadge | i just rsynced a 32bit debian install (which was borked but anyway) over the top of a 64bit 6.0 install.. and now it wont boot, wrong ELF class etc |
| 03:18.50 | snadge | would the 32bit live environment make a good rescue option.. for chroot, re-installing grub etc? |
| 03:18.58 | snadge | which iso is recommended for that |
| 03:19.30 | bambanx | exist any ide or wayfor make flash /actionscript apps on debian? |
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| 03:20.03 | somiaj | snadge: I would just backup your data and reinstall...seems you are mixing things which could leave artificts. |
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| 03:23.54 | somiaj | snadge: but I'd use a 32bit kernel to be safe if you are going to try to recover. |
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| 03:26.38 | snadge | from live environment? |
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| 03:29.19 | somiaj | the rescue cd kernel should be enough to chroot. A full live enviorment won't be that helpful unless your install is fairly fubar. |
| 03:29.50 | somiaj | since you will be inside the chroot of your install anwyays. |
| 03:30.07 | snadge | debian-live-6.0.2-i386-rescue.iso ? |
| 03:31.00 | snadge | i installed it originally from 64bit netinst |
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| 03:31.22 | Tropolis | Sanity check: Should my /boot partition be set to bootable? Most partition setup howto's setup / first, and some don't even use a /boot partition. I've currently got it set to bootable, but am not entirely sure about whether GRUB needs this or not. |
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| 03:31.29 | snadge | i think the install will be relatively fubared, so a full live rescue environment might be handy |
| 03:31.59 | somiaj | Tropolis: it doesn't matter if you have grub in the mbr |
| 03:32.01 | Tropolis | As I (mis)understand it, GRUB writes to the MBR of a disk, and then your grub configuration can boot any partition regardless of whether or not it's set to bootable? |
| 03:32.19 | snadge | tripolis: i dont think so.. from my understanding the active flag only helps PC bios determine which partition it can load a booatloader from |
| 03:32.21 | somiaj | Tropolis: the 'bootable' flag is only important if you use a standard mbr in which you will have grub there instead. |
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| 03:33.15 | somiaj | snadge: standard mbr just redirects to the mbr of the 'boot' partition, mostly a windows thing, though you could use it with linux its just better to put grub on the master mbr |
| 03:33.39 | snadge | yeah windows needs it ;) |
| 03:33.44 | Tropolis | The debian installer wrote grub to the MBR of the wrong disk, and while I don't care about that disks MBR, I need to reinstall it to the correct disk. However fdisk doesn't support GPT (it recommends using gparted), and I just need to reinstall grub on the correct disk |
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| 03:34.42 | dvs | Tropolis: grub-install /dev/sdX |
| 03:34.51 | zro|mobile | The "erasing data" step of installation seems to take a very long time how bad is it to skip it |
| 03:35.03 | somiaj | Tropolis: can you tell your bois to boot off the other disc? Or use the install cd as a recuse disc, chroot into your root enviorment after you mount it. From there you can run grub and tell it to install on your other disc. |
| 03:35.12 | Tropolis | and use /sdX listed in gparted? Thanks dvs |
| 03:35.26 | dvs | np |
| 03:35.26 | zro|mobile | Clicking cancel seems to proceed normally |
| 03:35.43 | snadge | hmm i cant find any documentation for the debian live "rescue" iso |
| 03:35.48 | snadge | this is going to be exciting ;) |
| 03:36.26 | Tropolis | somiaj: Yeah, I told the bios to boot off the other disk, and debian's working fine. But I plan to remove that disk (it's an old 120gb ide disk) and have everything else installed on a 2tb one |
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| 03:38.22 | Tropolis | Thanks for advice guys |
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| 04:00.41 | gkzkjjb | Hey all, I just used debian netinst cd to install a fresh copy of debian with kfreebsd on a system. I get to the end of the install and it says, would you like to install grub? Firstly it says that there are no other oses present. This is incorrect. But knowing I can go back and edit the menu later I hit ok anyway. Then it comes up with a huge red screen that says grub failed to install a critical error has ocurred. Out of curiosity |
| 04:00.42 | gkzkjjb | I enter the installer shell and poke around. It appears that none of the grub related tools are available anywhere on the path of either the cd's root, or anywhere on /target. What do I do now? |
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| 04:01.45 | somiaj | gkzkjjb: grub is located in the chroot of your install. So if your root isn't mounted, (check df) |
| 04:01.59 | somiaj | gkzkjjb: if your root dir is already mounted, just chroot into it and from there you will ahve grub |
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| 04:04.10 | somiaj | if not mount the root dir first |
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| 04:06.36 | gkzkjjb | I'm assuming that the root of my install is on /target, which is mounted... Got it, the grub utils are installed to /usr/sbin... |
| 04:06.49 | gkzkjjb | not /usr/bin |
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| 04:10.16 | Tropolis | I'm in the process of switching from a crap shell script to rsnapshot or rdiff-backup. Do any utilities exist to merge old backups from a collection of cumulative archives into a single diff-style archive? |
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| 04:15.28 | Rusty1 | Tropolis: those with more rsync knowledge than i might suggest something, peruse the rsync man page whilst you wait for better |
| 04:15.45 | vyadhaka1 | I am planning to build a new desktop, budget around $350 for the box. whats the best-bang-for-buck combo right now. will be running linux as the main OS. |
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| 04:16.29 | Tropolis | Rusty1: Hmm, I wasn't aware that rsync could do something like that. Hopefully it can. |
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| 04:17.01 | Oxy290 | What would happen if i 'dpkg-reconfigure dhcp |
| 04:18.08 | Oxy290 | AND how can I tell which hdd has my MBR on it |
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| 04:18.45 | Rusty1 | Tropolis: its the collection of cumulative archives part that might be difficult |
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| 04:19.09 | Tropolis | Yeah. |
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| 04:19.20 | Rusty1 | but take a look |
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| 04:23.52 | Rusty1 | and the -n option is your friend |
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| 04:27.22 | optraz | does, pentium 4 2.80ghz l2 cache 1mb bus 533mhz supported 64bit os? |
| 04:27.48 | somiaj | optraz: look up your chip on intels site see if has a 64bit capabilities or not |
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| 04:27.59 | somiaj | many pentium 4's do, I just don't know which ones. |
| 04:27.59 | gkzkjjb | So I'm still having problems... update-grub does not seem to be creating a proper grub.cfg. In fact grub.cfg seems to end abruptly. There's a new section for my kernel with the first few options, and then it just ends... no more, no closing brace or anything. Currently I'm looking through /etc/grub.d/10_kfreebsd to see what the problem is... this seems odd that I'm having to debug a debian provided grub script. |
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| 04:28.02 | gkzkjjb | what gives? |
| 04:28.15 | optraz | o |
| 04:28.17 | optraz | ok |
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| 04:30.03 | pipeline | somiaj, optraz : very few Pentium 4 chips supported VT-x, motherboard support is hit or miss etc :\ |
| 04:30.49 | pipeline | oh wait |
| 04:30.52 | pipeline | 64, not vt-x |
| 04:31.01 | el_seano | I was gonna say... :) |
| 04:31.13 | pipeline | optraz: if it has 1MB cache, odds are really, really good that it supports 64 bit. Odds are not so good that it supports VT-x. Brain fart. |
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| 04:31.31 | el_seano | VT-x wasn't introduced until the Core 2, I thought. |
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| 04:32.10 | pipeline | there were definitely P4s with VT-x |
| 04:32.12 | pipeline | not many. |
| 04:32.21 | pipeline | and not all core 2s support it, either |
| 04:32.35 | pipeline | a substantial fraction had it disabled for price segmentation or some such reason |
| 04:32.39 | el_seano | pipeline: not the early ones. |
| 04:32.51 | optraz | pipeline: http://supportapj.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim3000/en/sm/specs.htm |
| 04:32.54 | optraz | it is that one |
| 04:33.00 | optraz | but i dont know if it support 64bit o.s. |
| 04:34.59 | el_seano | optraz: do you have a live disk lying around? You could boot the system off that and then `cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -o 'ht'` |
| 04:35.12 | pipeline | optraz: if it has 1MB cache, it's very likely 64 bit. If it has 512K cache, it almost certainly isn't. |
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| 04:36.03 | optraz | pipeline: when icheck in the system bios, yes, it show 1MB level 2 cache. unfortunately the pc at office now and it is weekend. |
| 04:37.41 | el_seano | oh hey, whattya know. VT-x was introduced on the P4. |
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| 04:38.44 | aypea[1] | anyone here use urxvt under wheezy? does transparency work for you? |
| 04:39.04 | optraz | what's with ht, or vt-x? |
| 04:39.08 | somiaj | aypea[1]: not a very effective question. check the bts for that package. |
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| 04:39.55 | aypea[1] | bts is jus as effecive. it's either a bug in it or my config. |
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| 04:40.58 | aypea[1] | kicks screen. my $TERM is not too frigging long. |
| 04:42.05 | somiaj | well I see no bugs about it. So no one has submited one if such a bug exists. I would say its more likely configuration. |
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| 04:43.33 | aypea[1] | yeah. now to figure out what. works under squeeze just fine. |
| 04:43.57 | somiaj | have you ran it from another terminal with the right options or check .xsession-errors for any errors from the program |
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| 04:44.06 | Oxy290 | cmd to restart the network (Force changes to apply to /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 04:44.13 | Oxy290 | what is it? |
| 04:44.22 | somiaj | Oxy290: /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 04:44.30 | Oxy290 | somiaj: Thanks =) |
| 04:44.37 | somiaj | Oxy290: though you can use ifup / ifdown to bring down and back up just the one interface you want. |
| 04:44.57 | Oxy290 | somiaj: All interfaces have been edited... haha |
| 04:45.12 | aypea[1] | somiaj: i tried. no errors. |
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| 04:45.46 | Oxy290 | somiaj: -bash: /etc/init.d/network: No such file or directory (root@debian:~#) |
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| 04:46.19 | somiaj | Oxy290: sorry hit tab its networking |
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| 04:46.44 | Oxy290 | somiaj: ah, lol i LS'd /etc/init.d I see it, thanks for your help =) |
| 04:46.55 | somiaj | aypea[1]: well aterm transparency works fine here in sid, though its based from yours not sure..I don't have rxvt-unicode installed. |
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| 04:47.46 | aypea[1] | somiaj: no worries. thanks. i'll have to glare and grumble at it some more. hopefully no goats are required. |
| 04:47.54 | Oxy290 | somiaj: for /etc/network/interfaces, is this an appropiate line to use (iface eth2 inet dhcp #or static) |
| 04:48.08 | Oxy290 | with out the parenthesis of course |
| 04:48.18 | somiaj | Oxy290: I'm unsure if you can have inline comments |
| 04:48.30 | Oxy290 | somiaj: That is madness D= |
| 04:48.52 | somiaj | Oxy290: well some systems just do grep -v ^# to remove the comment lines and don't prase for them inline |
| 04:48.56 | somiaj | apps...(: |
| 04:49.29 | Oxy290 | somiaj: "some systems" as in NOT debian? |
| 04:50.03 | Oxy290 | okay so what is the difference between (allow-hotplug ethX) and (auto ethX) |
| 04:50.06 | somiaj | no I ment aps/scripts |
| 04:50.26 | somiaj | auto brings it up at boot up |
| 04:50.43 | Oxy290 | with a 5 min wait of DHCPDISCOTER |
| 04:50.48 | Oxy290 | dicover* |
| 04:50.54 | somiaj | allow-hotplug is to let things detect the additional removal of the plug to bring it up/down |
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| 04:51.25 | Oxy290 | so allow-hotplut (IF plugged in run ifup, else ifdown?) |
| 04:51.32 | Oxy290 | sorta thing/ |
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| 04:52.33 | somiaj | man page says that when systems are goign to automically bring up/down devices they catagorize them |
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| 04:53.06 | somiaj | so yea allow-hotplug just says you can let systems automically bring that device up and down in the class 'hotplug' |
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| 04:53.46 | Oxy290 | Okay so, somiaj, What do you prefer, 'auto ethX' or 'allow-hotplug ethX' |
| 04:53.47 | somiaj | Oxy290: you have to have something paying attention to the prot, like a network manager. That is just a classification for other subsystems in debian to use. |
| 04:54.00 | somiaj | if you want it brought up at boot use 'auto' |
| 04:54.13 | somiaj | if you want some 'hotplug' system to automically bring it up/down use allow-hotplug |
| 04:54.41 | Oxy290 | this system is to never be unhooked from the network, so would allow-hotplug be appropriate? |
| 04:54.43 | somiaj | on my laptop I don't use either and just manually bring up down my wireless and or wired depending on my situation (so I don't get hangs waiting for dhcp on a device I wont be using) |
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| 04:55.00 | somiaj | No, I'd just use auto so it comes up after a reboot/startup |
| 04:55.35 | Oxy290 | is there a way to set the order of the system start up to do this last? (Or would this pose a problem with DHCP and DNS services?) |
| 04:56.12 | somiaj | Oxy290: update-rc.d orders the scripts in /etc/rc2.d (most standard multi user runlevel) |
| 04:56.18 | somiaj | Oxy290: (actually it puts them in all run levels) |
| 04:56.33 | somiaj | Oxy290: but they are ordered, you can use that to change the order. ls /etc/rc2.d to see what I mean |
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| 04:57.05 | somiaj | for the most part the default ordering will work just fien and I'd leave it alone unless you have real special needs |
| 04:58.22 | Oxy290 | hmm, every file starts with 'SXX..." with the 'X' being a numberd variable (i.e. S01fancontrol, S01rsyslog, S02acpid, etc...) what does this have to do with? |
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| 04:59.13 | somiaj | S means 'start' |
| 04:59.28 | somiaj | the number orders them, the init scripts go though them in the order they are listed |
| 04:59.35 | somiaj | so S01 happens first, S99 happens last |
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| 05:00.02 | Oxy2901 | sorry, I had changed net connections, what was that last bit? |
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| 05:00.16 | somiaj | S means 'start' |
| 05:00.18 | somiaj | the number orders them, the init scripts go though them in the order they are listed |
| 05:00.21 | somiaj | so S01 happens first, S99 happens last |
| 05:01.02 | Oxy2901 | awesome, thx somiaj |
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| 05:01.44 | somiaj | update-rc.d is the tool for adding/removing/reordering those links again |
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| 05:14.46 | Oxy2901 | So this is a more computer science question than a Debian Linux question, but A computer starts up right? then the bios turns control over to the OS, is there a way to reverse that process and return to bios without restarting the entire system? |
| 05:15.04 | Oxy2901 | I know there is probably no profit to this, but, still an interesting question i have had for a while |
| 05:15.16 | asdjaputra | Oxy2901, delete your OS |
| 05:15.21 | asdjaputra | :) just kidding |
| 05:15.24 | Oxy2901 | haha |
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| 05:22.18 | Oxy2901 | anyone know of a good website to learn about network booting? |
| 05:22.35 | jimstr | hi r/debian! i searched for 'ppc' in the sub and no result :( someone knows of something to have debian on a usb key to boot on a G5 PPC? |
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| 05:31.54 | somiaj | jimstr: look at http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 05:32.05 | somiaj | jimstr: the ppc iso's from squeeze can all be put onto usb keys |
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| 05:44.04 | jimstr | thank you somiaj |
| 05:45.03 | jimstr | "Note that resulting USB drives are bootable only on PCs (not on Macs)." |
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| 05:46.30 | yagoo | jimstr, its not possible to make linux usb to boot on a mac? |
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| 05:46.51 | jimstr | it is possible from what i have read |
| 05:47.09 | jimstr | unetbootin doesn't seem to create usb that can boot on mac tho |
| 05:47.25 | yagoo | jimstr, what about refit? |
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| 05:47.45 | jimstr | i do not know refit, i think i am getting into something bigger than me |
| 05:47.47 | yagoo | jimstr, do they mention u can try to install grub on the linux partition (not sector 0) |
| 05:48.01 | jimstr | that's too advanced for me :) |
| 05:48.02 | yagoo | jimstr, you use refit on macs to boot non-Osx |
| 05:48.11 | yagoo | jimstr, ->refit.sf.net |
| 05:48.12 | jimstr | right now I only have OSX |
| 05:48.23 | yagoo | jimstr, you can resize hfs+ with the dvd installer |
| 05:48.37 | jimstr | my ambition is to install a flavour of debian on a usb chip |
| 05:48.57 | jimstr | im looking into this right nowL http://www.mintppc.org/content/installation-instructions-mintppc-93 |
| 05:49.33 | jimstr | i have a netinstaller and my quest is to make this usb drive a bootable drive |
| 05:49.40 | yagoo | oh u have a g4.. |
| 05:49.46 | jimstr | but as i am starting to realise, this project might be bigger than me |
| 05:49.48 | jimstr | no |
| 05:49.51 | jimstr | i have a dual G5 |
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| 05:50.33 | yagoo | jimstr, refit won't break anything .. it's very safe.. i've done it on 2 mactels.. i dont know about ppc though |
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| 05:50.48 | yagoo | but its been around for a longtime.. |
| 05:51.01 | jimstr | yagoo: we are still talking about partitionning a usb key to make it bootable? |
| 05:51.10 | jimstr | ill have a look at refit |
| 05:51.17 | teratorn | hrmph. I just installed debian lxde flavor... I'm wonder what do I install to get a nice wifi configuration thing ? I just want the wifi config applet that is typical under gnome? |
| 05:51.43 | yagoo | jimstr, i believe refit does usb as well.. |
| 05:52.02 | somiaj | teratorn: there is wicd, but its development has stalled. It's usable but doesn't have some of the fancy features of network-manager. Though I only know of a kde and gnome client for it |
| 05:52.04 | streuner | dpkg, ig |
| 05:52.05 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 05:52.29 | teratorn | somiaj: thanks but I think I have it sorted.. got network-manager installed, and I see the nm-applet now |
| 05:53.11 | yagoo | jimstr, http://refit.sourceforge.net/help/usb_disk.html |
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| 05:53.47 | yagoo | jimstr, u can always try upgrading the firmware with the OSX updates.. (who knows maybe there's a usb-boot enhancement to an firmware update) |
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| 05:54.58 | yagoo | jimstr, this is what i was trying to tell you about.. (also to make the usb bootable.. dont inject the grub boot code into sector 0 of the usb drive) http://refit.sourceforge.net/help/windows_boots_linux.html |
| 05:54.58 | jimstr | refit won't work for me.. it's not universal binaries = mactel only |
| 05:55.04 | yagoo | ah ok.. |
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| 05:56.16 | somiaj | jimstr: any reason you can't just burn a cd -- though you might be able to use debootstrap from mac osX and just install that way. |
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| 05:57.16 | jimstr | if i burn a CD will i be able to run the installer and install the os on the usb key then boot from it and use it? |
| 05:57.36 | jimstr | i specifically want the OS to run from the stick when I want to |
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| 05:57.55 | jimstr | i appreciate your help somiaj |
| 05:58.03 | jimstr | but i think you are assuming i know this stuff :) |
| 05:58.05 | somiaj | jimstr: ahh I see. (: |
| 05:58.18 | somiaj | jimstr: I was looking for a tutorial for you, but couldn't find a nice one. |
| 05:58.32 | yagoo | !yaboot |
| 05:58.32 | dpkg | yaboot is the primary bootloader for New World Apple Macintosh, IBM RS/6000, IBM pSeries and IBM OpenPower machines. ybin (YaBoot INstaller) installs yaboot on to New World Power Macs (it's akin to /sbin/quik or /sbin/lilo). ybin can also create dual boot menus for GNU/Linux and Mac OS (X). HOWTO at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html . http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/ Not for Old Worlds, ask me about <quik>. |
| 05:58.35 | LocoenelCoco | hello, i need to boot debian stable CD 1 from a USB stick, how can i do that? |
| 05:59.07 | somiaj | LocoenelCoco: you can just put the image on the usb stick, if you want a program to do it for you, you can use http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:59.08 | yagoo | i dunno.. i remember hearing about yaboot.. |
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| 05:59.26 | yagoo | jimstr, is it possible yaboot may apply to your objective? |
| 05:59.37 | linkslice | I'm trying to install my printer drivers, which Canon has thoughtfully provided a .deb package for but it has a dependency on a package called libcupsys2 which seems to be called libcups2 now, how can I tell dpkg that this is really OK, or tell the deb what the new package name is? |
| 05:59.44 | jimstr | i will have to see and read to know |
| 05:59.55 | LocoenelCoco | somiaj, but unetbootin just makes for debian netinstall |
| 06:00.17 | somiaj | LocoenelCoco: you can just use the stable cd1 and put the whole thing on the usb stick |
| 06:00.31 | jimstr | thank you yagoo. right now, i was considering this http://mintppc.org/content/installation-mintppc-92#1 but i can't seems to have tools that runs on ppc to format the usb stick properly |
| 06:00.34 | LocoenelCoco | i tried that it didnt worked |
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| 06:01.00 | LocoenelCoco | but i will try again somiaj , u mean i dont need to select any distro right? |
| 06:01.11 | yagoo | linkslice, i dont know anything about mintpcc.. |
| 06:01.25 | yagoo | linkslice, their webpages are all locked unless i'm a member.. |
| 06:01.29 | somiaj | LocoenelCoco: just point it at the iso you have. |
| 06:01.30 | yagoo | dam |
| 06:01.38 | yagoo | jimstr, i meant.. |
| 06:01.45 | LocoenelCoco | will try that again |
| 06:02.05 | jimstr | yeah I know I had to register.... :/ |
| 06:02.26 | yagoo | linkslice, maybe it's already a part of a debian package somewhere.. did u try apt-cache search canon? |
| 06:03.11 | yagoo | jimstr, http://askubuntu.com/questions/32806/im-looking-for-refit-for-ppc-mac |
| 06:03.15 | jimstr | i don't see any support for my cpu (G5) |
| 06:03.20 | yagoo | jimstr, an answer says that ppc can boot usb |
| 06:03.53 | jimstr | yagoo: yaboot doesn't seems to support G5 chipset |
| 06:03.57 | jimstr | fyi |
| 06:04.46 | Oxy2901 | how do i remove the startup grub menu and just boot! |
| 06:05.14 | LocoenelCoco | somiaj, when u said to put the image on the usb u meant the single .iso file or its contents? |
| 06:05.18 | somiaj | LocoenelCoco: do you have access to a linux os, or you using some other os to burn the cd. |
| 06:05.42 | somiaj | LocoenelCoco: I haven't used the app, but it says you can just tell it to turn the iso into a bootable usb stick |
| 06:06.02 | linkslice | yagoo, yeah, I already tried to see if it was built-in first. :-( There's one that's close and when I try to print the lights flash and then bomb out. |
| 06:06.03 | LocoenelCoco | im using ubuntu |
| 06:06.42 | somiaj | LocoenelCoco: dd if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/usbstick (note this will kill any data you have on the stick, but the image should be dual iso/usb |
| 06:06.52 | yagoo | jimstr, ive been reading there's places people get yaboot on g5 |
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| 06:07.00 | somiaj | LocoenelCoco: if youw ant to write the image directally to the device. |
| 06:07.12 | yagoo | jimstr, eg: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc.xml?part=1&chap=10#doc_chap2 (search for G5) |
| 06:07.16 | LocoenelCoco | somiaj, ok ty |
| 06:07.44 | jimstr | is gentoo a certain distribution of debian? |
| 06:07.54 | yagoo | jimstr, no.. i'm referring to "yaboot" |
| 06:08.08 | jimstr | oh, yes. i was just wondering regarding gentoo |
| 06:08.10 | streuner | !gentoosmite jimstr |
| 06:08.11 | dpkg | spends 5 weeks recompiling jimstr, and when it's all done, jimstr runs 0.3% faster than previously |
| 06:08.23 | jimstr | :) |
| 06:08.27 | yagoo | jimstr, that link refers to G5 and yaboot... so people have been using yaboot on G5 |
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| 06:10.26 | yagoo | jimstr, i dunno if this is the same G5 we're talking about http://wiki.debian.org/iMacG5 |
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| 06:12.12 | jimstr | no it's not, i have a tower - dual G5.. the latest model before they made the macpro |
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| 06:14.42 | Oxy2901 | how do i work with folders that have parenthesis in their names |
| 06:15.18 | Oxy2901 | root@debian: ~# ls storage(100) [-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 06:15.50 | yagoo | jimstr, http://www.ydl.net/support/hardware/apple-imac.shtml |
| 06:16.46 | yagoo | jimstr, i dont see it say dual g5 on that page, unless they're implying that G5 represents the dual g5 |
| 06:17.25 | yagoo | jimstr, there's also this page.. http://www.ydl.net/support/hardware/ (Btw yellowdog is very well known among ppc users of linux) |
| 06:17.50 | jimstr | Apple Power Mac G5 |
| 06:17.51 | yagoo | jimstr, dude i think i found it-- http://www.ydl.net/support/hardware/apple-powermac-g5.shtml |
| 06:17.56 | jimstr | this is what i have :) |
| 06:18.42 | jimstr | but now.. does it make an issue if my card is not an ATI? |
| 06:18.48 | jimstr | it's an nVidia... |
| 06:19.13 | jimstr | oh sorry |
| 06:19.26 | jimstr | all is ok - it says the ATI are non-fonctionnal |
| 06:19.27 | jmarsden_ | Oxy2901: ls storage\(100\) or ls 'storage(100)' or several other ways. Basically, if you don't want the shell to process the (), hide them from it in some way or other, escaping or quoting. |
| 06:19.59 | yagoo | jimstr, well the least you'd like to have is a text prompt.. even if X does not start.. you can at least try to get the nvidia driver working later.. I can't guarantee what would happen (meaning i don't know if u can get gfx to work cuse i never used ppc) |
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| 06:20.23 | yagoo | jimstr, but i'm sure there are other people in ur case that have been able to.. |
| 06:22.26 | yagoo | jimstr, ->http://www.petitiononline.com/nvppclin/petition.html :( |
| 06:22.32 | yagoo | lol.. dam nvidia |
| 06:23.15 | yagoo | if u do (possibly) get gfx on with nvidia.. it would be on "slow" vga driver (like vesa)... |
| 06:23.43 | yagoo | (all video adapters ought to support "vesa" at the very least.. it's also the slowest for modern video cards) |
| 06:23.49 | jimstr | 3144 Signatures Total |
| 06:23.55 | jimstr | i added mine... |
| 06:24.11 | yagoo | jimstr, u still have the radeon card aside? |
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| 06:24.16 | jimstr | no |
| 06:24.17 | mah454 | hello |
| 06:24.22 | jimstr | it's a geforce 6600 |
| 06:24.29 | mah454 | How can i decrypt /etc/shadow password ? |
| 06:24.42 | ShatterPoint | Use john the ripper |
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| 06:25.18 | mah454 | john use word list ? |
| 06:25.22 | yagoo | jimstr, you'd probably have the "nv" module |
| 06:25.37 | mah454 | ShatterPoint, john use word list ? |
| 06:25.40 | ShatterPoint | Yes |
| 06:25.51 | yagoo | jimstr, i'm sure theres a nvidia gfx module-- it'll be between "vesa" and the ideal "nvidia".. half-way decent.. |
| 06:26.01 | ShatterPoint | Dictionary and then fails over to ranndom |
| 06:26.02 | mah454 | ShatterPoint, is tools without word list ? |
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| 06:26.21 | yagoo | jimstr, (xorg.conf would contain "nv" instead of "vesa" or "nvidia") |
| 06:26.31 | ShatterPoint | There are but they are hash comparison tools |
| 06:26.36 | ShatterPoint | They are SLOW |
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| 06:26.49 | ShatterPoint | Most people use words you will get 90% of the passwords |
| 06:26.57 | jelly-home | mah454: technically, you can't decrypt those because the data there is not encrypted but a crypto hash taken. encryption is reversible, hashing is not. |
| 06:27.01 | yagoo | jimstr, this is in 2002 (http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/lists/yellowdog-devel/February02/0065.html) ..so definitely something like "nv" should work |
| 06:27.05 | jimstr | yagoo, Neither Firewire nor USB drives are supported for installation. |
| 06:28.18 | jimstr | as I said earlier, the goal is to have the OS installed on a usb chip and using it from there.. ill need to find out if i still can do that (maybe using a CD for the installer?) |
| 06:28.53 | jimstr | this is getting probably way too complicated for me - another problem i have is i only have one computer - if i do tests and i am stuck, i am in trouble |
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| 06:29.30 | yagoo | jimstr, u shouldnt have to do tests.. your system has been around long long time.. there's many references.. |
| 06:30.08 | jimstr | but while i will be doing it, if something fails, i cant just go to a browser and try to find answers |
| 06:30.53 | Oxy2901 | give me an example where virtual interfaces (eth0:1 and eth0:2) are profitable |
| 06:32.23 | ShatterPoint | When using applications or services that are attached to IP addresses |
| 06:32.26 | ompaul | Oxy2901: if you don't know how to put many networks on a box then you don't have need of them, so I can have 10. and 192. doing different routing etc on the same physical network all the while blocking a route to 172 on another interface |
| 06:33.35 | Oxy2901 | ooh, nifty... ive been using two seperate interfaces to do that on :-/ umm, is there a way to serve DHCP on a virtual interfaces? i.e. /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server |
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| 06:34.28 | ompaul | Oxy2901: what do you think - are you serving to eth0 or eth0:1 |
| 06:35.24 | Oxy2901 | well if i set the dhcp server to serve off of eth0:2 and have an incomeing connection to eth0:1 which auto negs. |
| 06:35.40 | ShatterPoint | DHCP is lower on the OSI than regular IP as it is a broadcast. |
| 06:35.40 | Oxy2901 | which auto negs with a pre existing DHCP server* |
| 06:35.44 | yagoo | jimstr, "Neither Firewire nor USB drives are supported for installation" < latest yld6.2 reference |
| 06:35.55 | ShatterPoint | Both interfaces the main and virtual will respond to the requests |
| 06:35.59 | yagoo | jimstr, you broked the cd drive? lol |
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| 06:36.42 | zach23 | where can I get a list of updated that happened in packages (ie. linux-base) on squeeze or anytime there are updates to packages through apttitude? |
| 06:38.05 | ompaul | you can read the changelogs if that is what you mean |
| 06:38.48 | yagoo | ShatterPoint, ? |
| 06:38.54 | yagoo | ShatterPoint, osi? |
| 06:39.11 | yagoo | ShatterPoint, dhcp uses ip |
| 06:39.56 | jimstr | my cdrom is kinda old (2005) and it doesnt always read and write well cds |
| 06:39.59 | ShatterPoint | It replies to broadcast.... You can not have a dhcp server on a Virtual interface on the same ethernet card as a dhsp client |
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| 06:40.23 | yagoo | jimstr, you'd probably like to join a yellowdoglinux mailing list.. the bundled install probably comes with the "nv" module |
| 06:40.36 | streuner | OT-question, whats a good fotohoster without login? |
| 06:41.13 | streuner | imageshack.us needs to login |
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| 06:42.46 | ompaul | !offtopic |
| 06:42.46 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 06:43.16 | ompaul | that factoid should be changed to over a thousand people in the channel ;-) |
| 06:43.17 | yagoo | jimstr, well its common that certain cd-brands (those cd's that been home-burned), don't cross very well among different drives.. even today this problem persists.. |
| 06:43.37 | yagoo | jimstr, verbatim has always been a good flavor for all my dvd/cd burners |
| 06:43.38 | zach23 | omeddragon: how do I read the changelog - the url like http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.32-35squeeze1/changelog are dead |
| 06:44.57 | zach23 | sorry, ompaul how do I read the changelog ? |
| 06:45.44 | yagoo | jimstr, let me know if u find any usb-install howto from here.. u may have to do some digging http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install |
| 06:45.56 | ompaul | zach23: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/3/3dchess/3dchess_0.8.1-15/changelog.html |
| 06:47.06 | jimstr | thank you again so much for all the help yagoo |
| 06:47.14 | ShatterPoint | You can have a DHCP server on the main interface and have virtual interfaces that are DHCP clients however. This is works because the DHCP server is on the HARD port not the Virtual port.... Same as bridging an interface in a virtual enviorment |
| 06:47.27 | ShatterPoint | yagoo |
| 06:48.05 | yagoo | jimstr, np.. btw i think its possible to get linux on it.. but I can't guarantee (i dont see dual g5 -- not sure how different it is from the G5).. |
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| 06:50.56 | jimstr | yagoo, i also think it's possible - for tonight i will try to get a bootable CD with gparted to prepare the USB key |
| 06:51.01 | jimstr | ö |
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| 06:59.15 | jimstr | ok, verity time - cheers yall |
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| 07:01.58 | mah454 | /etc/shadow encrypted with MD5 or SHA ? |
| 07:03.05 | xakz | configuration dependent, but md5 is no more used since is weak now. |
| 07:03.56 | jelly-home | mah454: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypt_(Unix)#Modifications_of_the_traditional_scheme |
| 07:04.44 | teratorn | I have a debian LIVE CD, and I wish to boot the kernel off the CD and have it load a root filesystem on my hard drive.... I've done this in the past with a boot: command like "vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2" |
| 07:05.22 | teratorn | but the only kernels I can seem to fine on this CD are "rescue" and "install" - and using those with a root= line has no effect... they still boot in to the installer |
| 07:05.36 | jelly-home | mah454: man 3 crypt should list which alogs are available |
| 07:05.54 | somiaj | teratorn: just use the rescue mode, once it boots up you can manually mount your root device in /mnt and then chroot into it |
| 07:06.07 | somiaj | teratorn: from there its like you are in that system (only thing is you don't run your init scripts) |
| 07:06.48 | teratorn | somiaj: well, I can't install the wireless firmware package that I need from that environment... |
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| 07:07.01 | somiaj | teratorn: why not? |
| 07:07.22 | teratorn | hrmph |
| 07:07.40 | somiaj | teratorn: you should mount proc inside your chroot so you have access to the kernel devices. |
| 07:07.42 | teratorn | why can't I just do it like I've done years ago... |
| 07:07.59 | somiaj | I don't know, did you read though the help options (I haven't used the installer in years) |
| 07:08.40 | teratorn | yeah, I did... I think this particular is deficient, or I don't know how to have it NOT load the ramfs installer/rescue environment |
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| 07:14.06 | somiaj | teratorn: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
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| 07:14.49 | somiaj | it says resuce mode should let you select your root partition |
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| 07:19.11 | teratorn | somiaj: yes it does work, but working from a chroot just is not the same thing |
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| 07:20.06 | teratorn | once you're insane the rescue environment it lets you pick your root filesystem from a menu, then it will start a chroot'ed shell there for you, but it's just crap |
| 07:20.15 | teratorn | I can start gdm but the mouse is frozen |
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| 07:23.30 | somiaj | then get a live cd and use that. |
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| 07:23.45 | somiaj | just trying to give suggestions. (: |
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| 07:32.05 | fasta | If there is a connection error, it does not inform where the bugreport is saved. |
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| 07:33.09 | debito | hi all |
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| 07:34.08 | somiaj | fasta: appears they put them in /tmp |
| 07:35.28 | fasta | somiaj: yes, I read that, except not. |
| 07:35.47 | fasta | somiaj: or rather, I cannot find it. |
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| 07:36.10 | fasta | somiaj: I grepped for 'report', which should have found it. |
| 07:37.43 | Tropolis | Would it be considered a bug that the 'ddrescue' package installs as /bin/dd_rescue but the gnu 'gddrescue' package extracts as /sbin/ddrescue? I know there's confusion between the two already but to crossover like that in the stable repo seems dumb. |
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| 07:40.41 | somiaj | Tropolis: It might be a minor one if dd_rescue really shouldn't be in /bin -- note the packages shouldn't be suplying the same file since they don't conflict with eachother. Maybe its done that way for that reason. |
| 07:40.49 | fasta | Tropolis: if they do exactly the same, I would consider it a bug. |
| 07:41.07 | fasta | somiaj: I think it is more the /bin vs /sbin issue. |
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| 07:42.31 | Tropolis | They're the same type of program, but different. My concern isn't really with the path they install to, but with their package names. Intuitively, shouldn't 'dd_rescue' be in a package called dd_rescue, and shouldn't gddrescue either install as 'gddrescue', or have its package renamed? |
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| 07:42.53 | Tropolis | Instead of swapping over like that. |
| 07:43.26 | Tropolis | (ddrescue -> dd_rescue, gddrescue -> ddrescue) |
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| 07:44.36 | fasta | Tropolis: I don't see that as a huge problem. |
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| 07:46.29 | Tropolis | It's confusing. You apt-get install ddrescue, go to run it, and get 'ddrescue: command not found'. Then you try to read its manpage and get the same thing. So you think to yourself, 'Weird, I'll try the GNU version', and install gddrescue. Only gddrescue doesn't exist either, and it's magically named itself what the first one should've been called. |
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| 07:49.08 | Tropolis | I just wonder whether it'd be considered a bug or not, as surely both package maintainers are aware of this behavior already. |
| 07:49.20 | somiaj | Tropolis: check /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> maybe they say why its named what it is |
| 07:49.31 | somiaj | Tropolis: also learn to dpkg -L <pkg name> if looking for its binary. (: |
| 07:50.12 | fasta | Why does Debian ship a _BROKEN_ reportbug in Squeeze? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620225 |
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| 07:50.37 | fasta | This was an issue known in March. |
| 07:51.04 | somiaj | fasta: ut oh debian isn't perfect. Send a patch to the matainer |
| 07:51.31 | fasta | somiaj: ut oh? |
| 07:52.02 | Tropolis | The readme's don't contain any mention of their naming scheme. Thanks for dpkg -L btw, going to read its manpage now. |
| 07:57.52 | jelly-home | Tropolis: well, the namespace clash had to be resolved one way or the other. Check the changelogs for clues. |
| 07:58.28 | fasta | somiaj: is there some _easy_ way to get dropped in a debugger with all the debugging symbols being present or some other Debian specific way to debug? I feel that not having a standard command to run which I can use to debug basically everything is just wasting my time. Fedora has stuff like that. |
| 07:58.51 | fasta | (Fedora sucks in other ways, though.) |
| 07:59.21 | somiaj | fasta: I don't know...I use google + the bts usually to fix my broken sid boxes. |
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| 08:03.13 | mfridh | hey, has anyone else here used the Backported d-i images by Kenshi Muto? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . When I boot the images from USB stick it says it cannot find Installer ISO. |
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| 08:04.28 | wols | mfridh: unetbootin? |
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| 08:05.33 | cafuego | fasta: You can install -dbg versions of binaries and use gdb or whatever on those. |
| 08:05.34 | prakas | is debian ever going to have the gnome 3 *crap* anytime later? |
| 08:06.06 | somiaj | gnome3 is planed to be in the next stable release |
| 08:06.08 | wols | prakas: it will be in wheezy |
| 08:06.20 | prakas | wols |
| 08:06.25 | prakas | wols: dang! |
| 08:06.56 | prakas | they should have the fallback version by default atleast. gnome 3 is pretty unusable |
| 08:07.19 | somiaj | they have plans to fall back and not use all the fancy high end features |
| 08:07.25 | wols | gnome has around 18months to fix their mess. only then wheezy will be stable |
| 08:07.27 | somiaj | s/to/for a/ |
| 08:07.39 | mfridh | wols: so i'm supposed to use the supplied iso of kmuto with unetbooting? |
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| 08:10.04 | prakas | somiaj: fortunately. i believe it would have the menus through which apps can be selected :D |
| 08:10.05 | wols | mfridh: no you are not |
| 08:10.24 | wols | !tell mfridh about hybrid image |
| 08:11.21 | mfridh | I assumed they were hybrid and just dd:d them to the usb stick |
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| 08:12.04 | wols | they are |
| 08:12.14 | mfridh | when it comes to the point where it's trying to find and mount the iso image, d-i says it can't find any iso. |
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| 08:12.56 | somiaj | prakas: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2011/06/msg00018.html |
| 08:13.04 | fasta | Which tool is better pbuild or sbuild? |
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| 08:17.47 | prakas | somiaj: will the fallback mode be given as the default DE or one has to modify settings to make it fallback :) |
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| 08:23.18 | somiaj | prakas: I read somewhere they haven't finalized that, but were thinking of at least have it be default on older systems. |
| 08:23.48 | prakas | hmmm nice |
| 08:24.19 | prakas | but i think in newer systems even the full gnome 3 is a waste of time ;) |
| 08:24.28 | prakas | makes you 20% slower in overall |
| 08:24.31 | somiaj | so they are either going to make it default, or at the least detect your hardware (so they don't try to load it up on an older system) |
| 08:24.53 | prakas | i tried unity on ubuntu and it is terribly fail |
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| 08:25.08 | somiaj | well hopefully gnome pisses debian off, isnt' ready at wheezy's release and they just ditch it. (ran across a thread where debian is against gnome lobbying for linux only) |
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| 08:29.19 | Trewas | somiaj: you are free to use some other DE than gnome whether debian ditches it or not, it's not like debian could make a new DE (like canonical is trying with unity) so the choice is one of the DEs already existing |
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| 08:30.10 | somiaj | Trewas: and people will still want a nice default. Yes I haven't used gnome since I was disapointed with the 2.0 release |
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| 08:32.01 | somiaj | Trewas: Yea, I'm sure they are going to try to stick with gnome, just hope filtering out the bugs and balencing features vs preformance doesn't mess with wheesy release date to much. Though took a few years for 2.0 to become fairly usable. |
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| 08:34.40 | Trewas | there was some hope in gnome that slowly improving software-rendering would make the fallback redundant, and that all graphics cards would use the proper gnome-shell, with sw-rendering if hw does not support everything |
| 08:34.42 | prakas | somiaj: the gnome 2 is not really that bad :P i like it |
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| 08:35.21 | somiaj | prakas: its gotten a lot better. I just didn't like how integrated it became, but I'm not a DE user and missed sawfish. |
| 08:35.23 | prakas | Trewas: i like the old gnome-panel menus lol they should give fallback as the default shell |
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| 08:36.04 | prakas | their newer shell is truly an "unholy mess" what linus torvalds wrote ;) |
| 08:36.10 | somiaj | but when 2.0 came out it was in a fairly same boat as 3.0 |
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| 08:36.29 | prakas | still it was usable but 3.0 is not |
| 08:36.33 | shellox | hi, one of you know a tool for removing drm from movie files? |
| 08:36.38 | prakas | makes you move your mouse to more areas |
| 08:36.43 | prakas | to do the same work |
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| 08:37.03 | Trewas | prakas: I also prefer gnome2 style (in fact changed to kde instead of gnome3) |
| 08:37.33 | prakas | Trewas: i would never use gnome3 :P i am with gnome 2 and may switch to kde or lxde |
| 08:38.15 | Trewas | kde 4.6 is quite nice but there are some rough spots compared to gnome 2.32, but it probably partly feels like that because I have used gnome for a long time |
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| 08:39.00 | prakas | i used kde on my 1st linux distro, knoppix :D |
| 08:39.38 | prakas | it was great :D |
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| 08:45.20 | fasta | I did apt-get build-dep some_package, cd <the package> && make, but it still misses all kinds of dependencies. |
| 08:45.37 | kdawg | anyone else have problems installing ventrilo? |
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| 08:45.50 | kdawg | oh wait on sec |
| 08:45.52 | fasta | This is in Squeeze. Shouldn't there be a test which makes sure that doesn't happen? |
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| 08:48.11 | kdawg | nevermind |
| 08:48.14 | kdawg | i figured it out |
| 08:48.21 | kdawg | dumb me forgot to install 32 bit libs |
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| 08:57.17 | somiaj | fasta: what is some_package, are you cd-ing into what source directory? Why aren't you using the debian tools to build the debian package? |
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| 08:58.10 | somiaj | fasta: are you trying to compile a newer version on squeeze -- could there be new dependencies in the version difference that apt will not know about due to an older version on the system? |
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| 09:00.40 | fasta | somiaj: reportbug is the package. |
| 09:00.59 | fasta | somiaj: its dependencies are completely wrong and its source code doesn't work. |
| 09:01.13 | fasta | somiaj: it refers to modules which aren't even named like that anymore, etc. |
| 09:01.29 | fasta | somiaj: It seems like a major component of Debian is not even being maintained. |
| 09:01.58 | fasta | somiaj: I am trying to run the Squeeze version of it. |
| 09:02.15 | fasta | somiaj: some tests even fail. |
| 09:02.28 | fasta | I don't really get how this was ever even allowed to get into Stable. |
| 09:02.32 | fasta | It is more like crapware. |
| 09:02.38 | ansgar | fasta: Where does the "<the package>" directory come from? |
| 09:02.56 | fasta | ansgar: do apt-get source reportbug in Squeeze. |
| 09:03.55 | Oxy290 | to boot from lan PXE, using pxelinux.0 the service for debian is isc-dhcp-server and tftpd right? |
| 09:04.06 | ansgar | fasta: And you have a deb-src entry only for squeeze or also for other suites? |
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| 09:05.21 | fasta | ansgar: I have it for multiple. Which one does it take by default? The newest? If so, how can I tell it to take the Stable one by default? |
| 09:05.53 | fasta | Well, via 'pinning' likely. |
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| 09:08.05 | Oxy290 | when using TFTPD-HPA service where do i set the RUN_DAEMON to ="yes" where is the file, It is not in /etc/default/tftpd-pa |
| 09:08.07 | Oxy290 | hpa* |
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| 09:08.30 | cafuego | Oxy290: tftpd typically runs from inetd, not as daemon. |
| 09:08.34 | dgeary2 | has anyone got ralink 3072 usb wireless device to work with debian squeeze? "Invalid RT chipset detected" |
| 09:08.43 | ansgar | fasta: I think apt-get build-dep will install build-dependencies for the most recent version it knows about by default. Also try using debuild instead of just make; only that is really expected to work. |
| 09:09.16 | ansgar | fasta: (And it builds here in a squeeze chroot. You might try finding problems on your side before you call things "crapware".) |
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| 09:10.12 | wols | dgeary2: what is the pci id or the usb id? |
| 09:10.36 | cafuego | dgeary2: can you validate your chipset? |
| 09:10.46 | cafuego | dgeary2: Fill out the form and get it stamped |
| 09:10.52 | dgeary2 | wols, 148f:3072 |
| 09:11.04 | wols | ,pciid 148f:3072 |
| 09:11.06 | judd | [148f:3072] is 'Unknown device' from 'Plant Equipment, Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=148f:3072 |
| 09:11.14 | wols | dgeary2: so it's usb? |
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| 09:11.33 | wols | !tell dgeary2 about rt2870sta |
| 09:11.48 | wols | dgeary2: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta |
| 09:12.16 | Vbitz | why does my swap work fine even though i get a message at boot saying enabling swap failed |
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| 09:12.51 | fasta | ansgar: apt-get source doesn't respect the pinning mechanism. |
| 09:12.58 | fasta | ansgar: and apparently that is by design. |
| 09:13.08 | dgeary2 | cafuego, what do you mean 'validate your chipset' 'fill out the form and get it stamped'? |
| 09:13.14 | fasta | ansgar: fact remains that this is an inefficient process. |
| 09:13.47 | fasta | ansgar: I just want to say given some binary: "drop me in a debugger with full sources". |
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| 09:14.05 | fasta | ansgar: since Debian apparently does not offer this, it is simply wasting my time. |
| 09:14.19 | wols | cannot happen with stripped binaries. and there is no distro which doesn't strip |
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| 09:14.35 | kristian-aalborg | greetings |
| 09:14.36 | ansgar | reportbug is not even a binary... |
| 09:14.48 | fasta | ansgar: python is. |
| 09:15.00 | fasta | ansgar: as the error is in a C dependency. |
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| 09:15.16 | kristian-aalborg | I have an ancient box that I'd like to make a custom kernel for on my more modern machine.... I'd like to generate *.deb files |
| 09:15.24 | gnarface | hello, is this arguments? |
| 09:15.24 | fasta | wols: sure it can. |
| 09:15.38 | gnarface | or is this abuse, and arguments is down the hall? |
| 09:15.40 | fasta | wols: it can download all that stuff automatically, like Fedora does. |
| 09:16.09 | kristian-aalborg | I have done something like that once, but forgot the details... if anyone can point me to a tutorial, that'd be neat |
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| 09:16.59 | wols | !tell kristian-aalborg about kernel-package |
| 09:17.20 | wols | kristian-aalborg: that creates a nice shiny .deb you can copy over and install with dpkg. also create the linux-headers package and install it |
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| 09:18.38 | fasta | Currently I get crap like 0x00007ffff3dbacf0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 instead of a useful stacktrace. |
| 09:18.48 | kristian-aalborg | wols, thanks |
| 09:18.58 | fasta | Now, I have to download the dbg packages one by one as problems emerge. |
| 09:19.20 | fasta | In Fedora you give one command to get all the dbg packages for its dependencies and you are done. |
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| 09:21.30 | asdjaputra | yum :) |
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| 09:24.01 | fasta | wols: how can I get the debugging symbols for that library? |
| 09:24.30 | kristian-aalborg | hmm.... my config is in /boot/? I don't need to install anything on the box to get it? |
| 09:24.32 | wols | does fedora really have a -dbg for _every_ package? for all of them= |
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| 09:25.03 | wols | kristian-aalborg: yes, a debian kernel always comes with the config file in /boot/config-* |
| 09:25.13 | ansgar | wols: Why shouldn't it? Ubuntu should have debug symbols for all packages as well. |
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| 09:26.07 | fasta | wols: perhaps not all, but I'd argue that not having dbg packages should mean to simply not ship it. |
| 09:26.08 | wols | it's a looooong time since I even looked at fedora (back then it was RH still), and there was no -dbg for everything. not by a long shot |
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| 09:27.01 | fasta | At some point there is source, and then the debugging information is there. Then some packager comes along and deletes information. That's just ridiculous. |
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| 09:27.13 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.16 | lello | ciaooo |
| 09:27.17 | wols | 1514 |
| 09:27.22 | lello | !list |
| 09:27.23 | dpkg | VATTENE VIA! |
| 09:27.38 | wols | fasta: no it's not |
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| 09:28.09 | fasta | wols: ok, I consider it like that. Why do you consider it differently? |
| 09:29.00 | wols | cause it's a waste of ressources for the vast majority of people. which is why NO distro. no, not even fedora, has -dbg for each library or package. and you simply whine cause your special case for some reason or other doesn't have one |
| 09:29.38 | wols | and yes, if you need the -dbg for some issue, then you can just create it yourself |
| 09:29.43 | ansgar | wols: Umm, as I said Ubuntu should have them... (They are not in the main archive though.) |
| 09:29.52 | fasta | A waste of resources to have an additional directory with a bunch of files? |
| 09:29.55 | fasta | I don't think so. |
| 09:29.58 | ansgar | wols: And there are ideas to have them for Debian as well. |
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| 09:30.13 | Oxy290 | in fstab what is the UUID |
| 09:30.16 | wols | *sigh* why do I even bother |
| 09:30.19 | wols | !uuid |
| 09:30.20 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
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| 09:30.53 | Oxy290 | so can i just make one up if i'm about to partition my hdd |
| 09:31.04 | Oxy290 | sda |
| 09:31.09 | aidalgol | How do I disable the internal beeping? |
| 09:31.12 | fasta | wols: please explain why it is a good thing that I have to tell the computer 20 commands where 1 should be needed? |
| 09:31.27 | aidalgol | The one that comes from the inside of the box, rather than from the speakers. |
| 09:31.53 | wols | !tell aidalgol about pcspkr |
| 09:32.09 | wols | Oxy290: no you cannot. you can make up a label and use that tho |
| 09:32.11 | stepkrav | hello. I got a kernel failure on debian stable, what should i do now ? |
| 09:32.30 | wols | !tell Oxy290 about label |
| 09:32.40 | wols | stepkrav: more info is needed |
| 09:32.48 | fasta | If you type dasdasdasdasd really fast in reportbug and press Continue, it also crashes. |
| 09:32.52 | Oxy290 | aidalgol: Look inside the system and see if a physical small speaker or buzzer plugged into the motherboard. if it is not plugged in and rather soldered in. Look for a jumper setting to disable the PC_SPEAK(ER) |
| 09:32.53 | sedulous | Oxy290: check out /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 09:33.20 | sedulous | Oxy290: ^ unique, stable & human-readable disk identifiers |
| 09:33.20 | fasta | Do you agree that is completely, and utterly pathetic that even the tool to report bugs is buggy as hell? |
| 09:33.40 | fasta | Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. |
| 09:33.40 | fasta | [Switching to Thread 0x7fffec1c0700 (LWP 10868)] |
| 09:33.41 | fasta | 0x00007ffff3dbacf0 in gtk_label_ensure_layout (label=0x1111430) |
| 09:33.41 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.41 | fasta | 3101/scratch/build-area/gtk+2.0-2.20.1/gtk/gtklabel.c: Bestand of map bestaat niet. |
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| 09:34.26 | stepkrav | wols, should i paste the report for kernel failure details? |
| 09:34.48 | wols | stepkrav: no you should detail the circumstances of your kernel failure better |
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| 09:34.54 | aidalgol | Oxy290: wols was right. I need to blacklist pcspkr |
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| 09:36.05 | Oxy290 | aidalgol: This will only disable the PC speaker after your linux distro has taken your computer from the bios. to completely render the speaker/buzzer (temporarily) useless, you will need to physically disable it |
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| 09:36.45 | stepkrav | i just booted the pc, and seemed little bit slow than normal. so i opened system monitor to see whats going on. when i try to get to Processes tab, tha system monitor window closes, and a box appears on the right saying : "You had a kernel failure" |
| 09:37.22 | wols | if you have a kernel failure, there are no more boxes opening :) |
| 09:37.36 | wols | cause then the kernel panics and all you can do is press reset |
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| 09:38.23 | aidalgol | Oxy290: Oh, I don't want to do that. Just when my OS is in control. |
| 09:38.27 | stepkrav | well, thats what the pop-up says... and asks me if i want to send a report to Linux kernel developpers. i already sent |
| 09:39.54 | Oxy290 | Silly programmers! never wanted to get down to the hardware stuff! .:P |
| 09:40.15 | jelly-home | fasta: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
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| 09:52.09 | HashNuke | hey all! |
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| 09:54.24 | HashNuke | I can connect to my debian machine on the same router via ssh. But it's not able to connect to the internet. Here's my ifconfig and my interfaces file https://gist.github.com/48bb285513dd09470875 |
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| 09:56.20 | HashNuke | just updated the gist with the lspci output. |
| 09:56.22 | asdjaputra | HashNuke: so it's connected through ethernet |
| 09:56.27 | asdjaputra | and you ssh to that computer? |
| 09:56.53 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: ya. I can ssh into the computer. intact I sshed into the machine to get the outputs of those commands. |
| 09:57.01 | asdjaputra | which system can't connect to the internet? ssh-ed or ssh-ing? |
| 09:57.04 | HashNuke | *infact |
| 09:57.06 | asdjaputra | oh |
| 09:58.24 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: it worked yesterday. but suddenly today it isn't. Th only thing I do on that machine is ssh into it and run a ruby web app. nothing else. I installed it from a debian base install and it has only CLI |
| 09:58.51 | asdjaputra | what program are you using to make it connect to the internet? |
| 09:58.54 | asdjaputra | wicd? |
| 09:59.19 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: the interfaces file takes care of connecting to the eth0. so i don't have to do anything else. |
| 09:59.41 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: I tried to "ping google.com". no luck. tried pinging other sites too. the same. |
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| 10:01.04 | asdjaputra | what's the ruby webapp doing? |
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| 10:01.29 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: just serving hello world right now in port 3000. i can access it when i start it. |
| 10:01.45 | HashNuke | I mean i can access it from my other local machines on the same router when it's running on the affected machine. |
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| 10:02.13 | asdjaputra | firewall? |
| 10:02.19 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: nope. |
| 10:03.01 | asdjaputra | have you tried to restart the router? or probably use another computer and try to connect to internet |
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| 10:03.19 | HashNuke | I'm wondering why it's not connecting to the net when I can access it from other local machines. |
| 10:03.35 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: well I'm connected to the net from the same router from another computer. |
| 10:04.11 | asdjaputra | ok |
| 10:04.38 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, what does the routing table say? |
| 10:04.57 | HashNuke | dgeary2: should I get you the output of "iptables -L" ? |
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| 10:05.55 | HashNuke | dgeary2: added the output of "iptables -L" to the gist https://gist.github.com/48bb285513dd09470875 |
| 10:05.59 | dgeary2 | asdjaputra, may be interested in 'iptables -v -L', however i am interested in 'route -n' |
| 10:05.59 | asdjaputra | route |
| 10:06.19 | asdjaputra | what will the n switch doing? |
| 10:06.23 | asdjaputra | local? |
| 10:06.35 | asdjaputra | oh, numeric |
| 10:07.08 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: dgeary2 : added "route -n" output to the gist https://gist.github.com/48bb285513dd09470875 |
| 10:08.14 | gnarface | asdjaputra: it just disables reverse lookups. you generally want that unless you have a lot of patience and private dns servers and you're running the command on your private network |
| 10:08.18 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: dgeary2: don't mind the gist having too much info (lots of command outputs). I started off with the intention that I should be providing all the info I can. |
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| 10:09.46 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, what are the routes on the router? |
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| 10:10.25 | HashNuke | dgeary2: routes? sorry I'm not familiar with what you are asking. |
| 10:10.44 | aidalgol | Skype insists on using PulseAudio since it's running. How do I set the sound device it should use? |
| 10:10.56 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, can you do a 'route -n' or equivalent on the router? |
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| 10:11.10 | ahmad_daoud_1 | dgrary2, output of (route -n) , isn't it involved/part of ifconfig ?? |
| 10:11.18 | aidalgol | It's currently using the onboard sound card, but I want it to use my USB headset. |
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| 10:11.55 | dgeary2 | ahmad_daoud_1, yes and no, routes can be manipulated independently of the interfaces |
| 10:11.58 | HashNuke | dgeary2: "route -n" on the router? I don't think the router allows running commands on it. (or am i wrong?) |
| 10:11.59 | asdjaputra | aidalgol: alsamixer |
| 10:12.10 | kristian-aalborg | what happened to kernel.org?? |
| 10:12.12 | valdyn | aidalgol: run "pavucontrol" |
| 10:12.24 | asdjaputra | oh wait it was pulseaudio, my bad |
| 10:12.50 | valdyn | aidalgol: there you can change the current device, set the default device. Per app changes are saved automagically iirc |
| 10:12.55 | fasta | I found an arithmetic exception in libgtk+-2.0. Does anyone care about that? I have the exact line number and reason for why it is buggy code. |
| 10:12.56 | aidalgol | pavucontrol: command not found |
| 10:12.59 | asdjaputra | HashNuke: see your router's 192.168.1.1 |
| 10:13.03 | asdjaputra | router's page |
| 10:13.05 | valdyn | aidalgol: install it? |
| 10:13.14 | ahmad_daoud_1 | dgeary2, Thnx Bro |
| 10:13.15 | aidalgol | valdyn: Oh, it's not part of pulse? |
| 10:13.17 | aidalgol | sorry |
| 10:13.34 | Oxy290 | have a problem "unknown id: /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server" |
| 10:13.39 | asdjaputra | aidalgol: see Options Alt+O |
| 10:13.39 | valdyn | aidalgol: in debian it is a seperate package anyway |
| 10:13.40 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: ya I can access that admin panel there. |
| 10:13.57 | asdjaputra | then check the routing table |
| 10:14.04 | aidalgol | asdjaputra: In which program are you talking about? |
| 10:14.12 | asdjaputra | aidalgol: Skye |
| 10:14.14 | asdjaputra | pe |
| 10:14.16 | asdjaputra | skype |
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| 10:15.35 | aidalgol | asdjaputra: I have that open right now. |
| 10:15.48 | aidalgol | The only option is "PulseAudio server (local)" |
| 10:16.17 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: that's my routing table (if i'm right) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1606083/Screen%20Shot%202011-09-10%20at%203.53.34%20PM.png |
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| 10:17.16 | valdyn | HashNuke: this is a debian support channel |
| 10:17.41 | HashNuke | valdyn: ya I'm using debian. I'm just sshing into it from my mac. |
| 10:17.41 | kristian-aalborg | they were haxxed, that is sad |
| 10:18.14 | HashNuke | valdyn: that's related to the gist I pasted earlier https://gist.github.com/48bb285513dd09470875 |
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| 10:18.35 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, a routing table will list ip subnets, gateways, and interfaces which determines where a packet addressed to a particular host gets sent |
| 10:18.46 | asdjaputra | the whole one |
| 10:19.04 | asdjaputra | on the routing main menu |
| 10:19.14 | HashNuke | dgeary2: oh in that case, I have the routing page that has an option selected and it reads "Enable Automatic Assigned Default Gateway |
| 10:19.14 | HashNuke | " |
| 10:20.00 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, does this router perform other functions besides routing? |
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| 10:20.29 | HashNuke | nope. it's a UTStarcom WA3002g4. |
| 10:20.36 | valdyn | HashNuke: how was the settings in your first paste obtained? via dhcp? |
| 10:20.38 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, eg modem? firewall? etc... |
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| 10:21.19 | dgeary2 | valdyn, it is static according to the second paste |
| 10:21.26 | valdyn | dgeary2: yea, i notice now |
| 10:21.36 | valdyn | HashNuke: have you tried dhcp? |
| 10:21.59 | HashNuke | valdyn: ya I tried "sudo dhclient". no luck. |
| 10:22.11 | valdyn | HashNuke: its "sudo dhclient eth0" |
| 10:22.53 | HashNuke | valdyn: k. just did "sudo dhclient eth0" and then tried "ping google.com". says unknown host. |
| 10:23.05 | valdyn | HashNuke: no so fast |
| 10:23.19 | valdyn | HashNuke: what did that "dhclient eth0" do? |
| 10:23.25 | HashNuke | valdyn: just returned the prompt |
| 10:23.35 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, ifconfig -a |
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| 10:23.49 | valdyn | HashNuke: debians dhclient does that? |
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| 10:24.38 | valdyn | HashNuke: it should have assigned ip and routing table entries |
| 10:24.40 | HashNuke | valdyn: ya now after doing dhclient eth0, it has a new ip address. 192.168.1.6 |
| 10:24.45 | valdyn | HashNuke: great |
| 10:24.57 | valdyn | HashNuke: "ping 8.8.8.8" |
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| 10:25.11 | HashNuke | valdyn: yup! pinging fine! |
| 10:25.45 | asdjaputra | 8.8.8.8 Google's DNS? |
| 10:25.48 | valdyn | HashNuke: now "host google-public-dns-a.google.com" |
| 10:25.49 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: ya |
| 10:25.58 | aidalgol | valdyn: Thanks, that was the program I needed. |
| 10:26.17 | HashNuke | valdyn: pings 8.8.8.8 fine. but "ping google.com" says unknown host. "sudo apt-get update" also fails... |
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| 10:27.06 | HashNuke | valdyn: for the host command⦠"connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 10:27.20 | valdyn | HashNuke: yea, good |
| 10:27.33 | valdyn | HashNuke: edit your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:28.08 | valdyn | HashNuke: put only one line in there after the comment : "nameserver 8.8.8.8" |
| 10:28.14 | HashNuke | valdyn: oh I see the name server has been set to 1.2.168.1.1. "nameserver 192.168.1.1". change that to 8.8.8.8? |
| 10:28.26 | HashNuke | valdyn: ah k. :) |
| 10:28.27 | valdyn | HashNuke: yes |
| 10:28.37 | HashNuke | valdyn: done |
| 10:28.55 | valdyn | HashNuke: now your internet should work as expected |
| 10:29.14 | HashNuke | valdyn: wow! "ping google.com" now works |
| 10:29.27 | HashNuke | valdyn: so it was my nameserver that caused problems? |
| 10:29.40 | HashNuke | it's always been the same. just surprised that it happened today. |
| 10:29.52 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, except that host uses google public dns where the others use the dns of your ISP |
| 10:30.01 | valdyn | HashNuke: a nameserver with the address 1.2.168.1.1 does not exist |
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| 10:30.28 | HashNuke | valdyn: the 192.168.1.1 was my router's IP (thats where i get my admin panel). |
| 10:30.55 | valdyn | HashNuke: you can probably use 192.168.1.1 as nameserver too.. |
| 10:30.57 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, the DNS settings should be part of the DHCP response (provided that is configured in the DHCP server (ie router) |
| 10:31.49 | HashNuke | valdyn: well, I'm not going to use it if that's going to cause problems. will just stick with this and maybe add the other google dns IP too. (think that's 4.4.8.8, will check and add that) |
| 10:31.49 | nsadmin | was? |
| 10:31.54 | valdyn | HashNuke: why does your router seem to hand out an impossible nameserver ip? |
| 10:32.00 | nsadmin | was? |
| 10:32.05 | nsadmin | err oops |
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| 10:32.24 | HashNuke | valdyn: no idea. I even tried rebooting the laptop a couple times to be sure. but got the same error. |
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| 10:32.36 | nsadmin | why "was", is it not 192.168.1.1 still? |
| 10:32.38 | valdyn | HashNuke: the laptop is ok, the router is not |
| 10:33.01 | HashNuke | valdyn: oh. |
| 10:33.11 | asdjaputra | 8.8.4.4 |
| 10:33.14 | HashNuke | nsadmin: no idea. it's been the same ever since i've installed debian and it worked just fine. |
| 10:33.19 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: thanks! |
| 10:33.28 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:33.55 | asdjaputra | HashNuke: don't thank me i did nothing.. thank valdyn and dgeary2 ;) |
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| 10:34.05 | HashNuke | asdjaputra: was about to. |
| 10:34.19 | valdyn | HashNuke: just editing resolv.conf is ok if you use static ip in the future, just not if you use dhcp |
| 10:34.20 | HashNuke | dgeary2: valdyn: asdjaputra: thanks a lot! :) |
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| 10:35.15 | asdjaputra | <beer>HashNuke valdyn dgeary2 "Celebrate!"</beer> |
| 10:35.18 | HashNuke | valdyn: i just use static IP coz I have my ssh config on my other machine with lower encryption since it's just a private network. |
| 10:35.30 | nsadmin | can I get a dns server that's running on a machine with several net interfaces to listen only on a specific one? |
| 10:35.31 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, i'm still concerned about the settings of the DHCP server in the router... |
| 10:36.18 | HashNuke | dgeary2: if it's going to help #debian I can sit here putting up a few gists/pasties of outputs for you guys from my machine :) |
| 10:36.20 | dgeary2 | nsadmin, try firewalling the others if you can't find a config option... |
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| 10:37.12 | HashNuke | have been working with Linux Containers lately (just tinkering) and it's awesome! pretty simple too. |
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| 10:38.50 | HashNuke | if anyone's wondering - http://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
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| 10:41.13 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, i wonder how linux containers relate to openvz... |
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| 10:43.28 | HashNuke | dgeary2: linux containers are light-weight |
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| 10:44.52 | HashNuke | dgeary2: i also heard that the good parts of openvz are now lxc stuff. Tho I'm not sure of my history lessons since the only virtulisation solutions I've programmed with are VirtualBox and LXC. |
| 10:45.24 | dgeary2 | HashNuke, we're using openvz at work and i was wondering where LXC fits in... |
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| 10:46.18 | HashNuke | dgeary2: a debian base install boot time on virtualbox was 55 seconds including creation form a template (.box file). On LXC I could do the same in 7 seconds (from creation to login shell) |
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| 10:46.27 | fasta | Where is the web interface for reporting bugs in Debian? All I can see is a suggestion to use reportbug, which crashes 1 out of 2 times I run it. |
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| 10:47.18 | lamah | how can i run full-upgrade? |
| 10:47.41 | HashNuke | lamah: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 10:47.51 | asdjaputra | fasta: www.debian.org/Bugs |
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| 10:48.40 | HashNuke | dgeary2: also lxc isn't that mature yet. you cannot limit memory in a normal debian install. You'll have to enable cgroup memory controller in the kernel for that. Altho, the official ubuntu images for EC2 have this enabled. so you might just want to go ahead and use those if you are going the ec2 way |
| 10:49.10 | lamah | HashNuke: no i mean aptitude -t lenny-backports full-upgrade |
| 10:49.20 | fasta | asdjaputra: that is not the web-interface. |
| 10:49.37 | fasta | asdjaputra: I just want a stupid form where I can say 'this is the package, this is the bug' and be done with it. |
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| 10:49.46 | ansgar | fasta: There is only a mail interface for submitting bugs. |
| 10:49.47 | asdjaputra | ok |
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| 10:49.59 | HashNuke | fasta: you can email http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 10:50.25 | fasta | There used to be a web-interface too. Why was it abandoned? |
| 10:50.48 | HashNuke | fasta: isn't email a simpler interface than web? |
| 10:50.58 | asdjaputra | http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/debbugs/ script to email |
| 10:50.59 | nsadmin | HashNuke, well you may be able to find the email addr there |
| 10:51.07 | asdjaputra | not simple enough? reinstall it. |
| 10:51.10 | nsadmin | but that's not itself an email |
| 10:51.20 | HashNuke | nsadmin: fasta needed it :) |
| 10:52.07 | nsadmin | write your own web interface and build it out of reportbug |
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| 10:59.39 | valdyn | but reporting tools probably *should* be hard to use |
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| 11:02.57 | kristian-aalborg | so, I renamed my custom config file to .config and ran make-kpkg initrd kernel_image - correct? |
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| 11:03.09 | ansgar | valdyn: No. And I don't think they are. |
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| 11:11.02 | aidalgol | Are there Qt packages analogous to the gtk2-engines-* packages? |
| 11:12.16 | valdyn | aidalgol: probably kdeartwork-* packages |
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| 11:36.54 | sedulous | is there a FUSE that recodes video? |
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| 11:47.35 | th0r | sedulous: ffmpeg, but it isn't a FUSE |
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| 11:48.09 | asdjaputra | mencoder |
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| 11:50.16 | fossala | Is there a way to block flash for one user (without using plugins)? |
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| 11:52.10 | asdjaputra | group policy |
| 11:53.46 | asdjaputra | umm nvm that |
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| 11:54.54 | fossala | I used to do it by installing flash by hand for my g/f in her home dir (We use ltsp). But I cannot be bothered with worrying about updateing it by hand. |
| 11:55.11 | fossala | I would use something like flashblock but I use jumanju. |
| 11:55.31 | echo083 | fossala, how are video with ltsp ? |
| 11:56.07 | echo083 | fossala, video playing with remote desktop is always bad |
| 11:56.11 | fossala | 100% fin |
| 11:56.28 | fossala | s/fin/fine |
| 11:56.35 | echo083 | fossala, when you start your computer the display manager is directly open on the server ? |
| 11:56.44 | echo083 | fossala, i mean it is 100% transparent |
| 11:57.33 | fossala | Yeah, My pc is on all the time (the server) and whenever my g/f or sons thin client get turned on it just boots into the dispay manager. |
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| 11:58.24 | echo083 | fossala, on the client computer you installed which distribution ? |
| 11:58.32 | qmr | how would I background a process, then close my shell and have that process keep going? I have a test running that is going to take ~60 mins, I want to run 'beep' in 65*60 seconds |
| 11:58.45 | fossala | Debian, but I have used *buntus in the past. |
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| 11:59.46 | echo083 | fossala, but if you install debian on a computer it will just start on it and you'll have to launch a new session toward the server i don't get it, at boot time how do you open a connection to the server ? |
| 12:00.29 | fossala | echo083, you should check out how ltsp works. |
| 12:01.10 | echo083 | fossala, ok :( |
| 12:01.31 | echo083 | fossala, you mean rtfm ? |
| 12:01.40 | asdjaputra | yes. |
| 12:01.40 | petern_ | heh |
| 12:02.13 | asdjaputra | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP |
| 12:02.33 | fossala | Check out #ltsp they will explain it better than me but essentialy you boot into a diskless machine then from that log onto the server. |
| 12:03.07 | echo083 | fossala, and do you knnow any alternative to ltsp by curiosity ? |
| 12:04.47 | fossala | All your are doing is making a diskless machine booting into it then using xdmcp to log into your server. |
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| 12:05.12 | fossala | All ltsp does is give you tools to make it easier. I have done it on FreeBSD without the tools. |
| 12:05.48 | fossala | Once again if you have any question direct them at #ltsp, there really good over there. |
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| 12:06.15 | echo083 | fossala, ok ok ! i don't have anymore questions, i thought it was complex that's all, thanks |
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| 12:06.31 | echo083 | fossala, oh yeah a last question ! |
| 12:06.34 | fossala | Just a heads up if you do try it out edubuntu have a live dvd that will set it up for you. |
| 12:07.11 | echo083 | fossala, i saw a guy with a terminal computer ! a computer he bought in store diskless one |
| 12:07.17 | asdjaputra | you're asking a question to a guy that asks a question. |
| 12:07.20 | asdjaputra | how funny. |
| 12:07.40 | echo083 | fossala, an idea who made them ? |
| 12:08.07 | fossala | My g/f and son have a hp t5730. There thin clients and just take the flash memory out. |
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| 12:08.21 | nsadmin | asdjaputra sometimes more info is needed |
| 12:08.29 | fossala | They have 1ghz cpu and 512mb ram. More than enough. |
| 12:08.59 | echo083 | fossala, ok you took a old computer and adapted it |
| 12:09.07 | echo083 | fossala, and which computer for the server ? |
| 12:09.10 | fossala | Just to let you know my g/f does alot and alot of gimp work on it while watching flash videos and it never gets laggy. |
| 12:09.20 | fossala | No what I have are "thin client" |
| 12:09.28 | echo083 | fossala, impressive indeed |
| 12:09.58 | echo083 | fossala, thanks |
| 12:10.09 | fossala | My server is 2.3ghz quad with 4gb ram. I have also used my real server for a month to power it and that is a 3.2 quad with 16gb ram. |
| 12:10.15 | fossala | No difference in performance. |
| 12:10.46 | echo083 | fossala, you would have notice a performance issue with more users maybe |
| 12:11.39 | fossala | Maybe but I have had 6 running of it (2 thin clients and 4 laptops). |
| 12:11.52 | fossala | Your main bottleneck would be if you didn't have a gigabit network. |
| 12:12.38 | echo083 | fossala, ok i get it in fact what i called a terminal computer is a thin client ! sorry english is my real language |
| 12:12.43 | echo083 | fossala, *is not |
| 12:13.10 | echo083 | fossala, all clear for me ! many thanks for the few info |
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| 12:14.41 | fossala | np |
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| 12:16.29 | asdjaputra | *few* info :) |
| 12:16.56 | asdjaputra | nsadmin: true |
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| 12:18.00 | nsadmin | and your best bet, if you want to get really high-quality responses, is to give as much info as you can. |
| 12:18.19 | nsadmin | detailed, specific, informative |
| 12:18.49 | feisar | hi, what's the best way to 'setterm -blank 5' on boot? |
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| 12:19.35 | nsadmin | the term is something that opens after boot, when you do things like fire up an xterm |
| 12:19.57 | nsadmin | -that- would be when you would setterm |
| 12:20.06 | nsadmin | or, what term do you want to set? |
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| 12:21.06 | feisar | I have debian installed on a laptop and I'm only going to access via ssh so I'd like the laptop screen to blank (and turn off) after 5mins |
| 12:21.35 | nsadmin | oh, and there is no X on it? |
| 12:21.43 | feisar | no |
| 12:21.59 | nsadmin | so, the term you want to set is vt1 |
| 12:22.23 | feisar | oh right ok, thanks, where would I want to put the command? |
| 12:22.41 | nsadmin | hmm. so you really do want this at boot... |
| 12:22.48 | feisar | i think so |
| 12:23.00 | fossala | 'vbetool dpms off' will turn the monitor off. |
| 12:23.00 | nsadmin | well, maybe in /etc/rc.local? |
| 12:23.25 | fossala | the only way to turn it back on would be with 'vbetool dpms on' |
| 12:23.30 | feisar | ah ok, thanks... |
| 12:23.51 | nsadmin | do you want it off such that hitting a key will turn it on? |
| 12:23.58 | feisar | yeah |
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| 12:24.12 | nsadmin | ok, then you still want the setterm |
| 12:24.15 | feisar | same or similar effect to 'setterm -blank 5' |
| 12:24.42 | nsadmin | I think its actual name is /dev/tty1 |
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| 12:25.56 | feisar | so can I just enter the line 'setterm -blank 5' into rc.local? Or are you saying I need to specify /dev/tty1? |
| 12:26.12 | nsadmin | well maybe |
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| 12:26.53 | nsadmin | for now, I'm simply asserting that the term you most likely want to set is that, and that that's what the dev node is called |
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| 12:28.21 | nsadmin | maybe you want to: setterm (args) > /dev/tty1 |
| 12:28.52 | nsadmin | if you look at the man page it says it outputs the string that does what you want to set to stdout |
| 12:29.01 | feisar | thanks for the help, I have put the line in rc.local.. I'll see what happens in 2 mins.... |
| 12:29.32 | feisar | it worked! |
| 12:29.38 | nsadmin | and -maybe- rc.local is executed without attachment to a term |
| 12:29.43 | nsadmin | oh, good :) |
| 12:29.59 | nsadmin | so... -maybe- not :) |
| 12:30.22 | feisar | nsadmin: thanks, I did simply put 'setterm -blank 1' into rc.local |
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| 12:57.45 | fasta | Is there any virtual machine implementation which accelerates 3d applications? |
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| 12:58.41 | jason404 | how do I find out which filesystem is being used on mu vps? |
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| 13:05.48 | zykotick9 | fasta, VirtualBox has limited 3d support (as does VMWare I believe) |
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| 13:10.48 | echo083 | jason404, what is mu vps ? |
| 13:10.58 | acicula | and there are some successes in using passthrough on gpus but last i looked it was not very stable or widely supported |
| 13:11.19 | jason404 | echo083: it's a typo. s/mu/my |
| 13:11.47 | echo083 | jason404, ok ok you have a shell access to it ? |
| 13:11.52 | jason404 | yes |
| 13:12.07 | echo083 | jason404, df -T is the appropriate command i think |
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| 13:12.47 | jason404 | echo083: yes, that worked, thanks |
| 13:12.56 | jason404 | ext3 |
| 13:13.13 | echo083 | jason404, you are welcome don't forget to help people you have an answer too anything too |
| 13:13.39 | jason404 | echo083: yes, I try |
| 13:13.58 | echo083 | jason404, no worries |
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| 13:25.23 | markmental | Hello, I have a question how to you edit your xfce menu? |
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| 13:27.10 | boudiccas | markmental; sorry? your question doesnt make sense |
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| 13:27.54 | markmental | i will rephrase it. How do you edit your Xfce applications menu to add or remove programs off of it. |
| 13:28.05 | boudiccas | ah right |
| 13:28.19 | boudiccas | never used xfce so cant comment |
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| 13:28.47 | markmental | Ok but thanks for listening :) |
| 13:28.54 | markmental | ill use google |
| 13:28.57 | boudiccas | yw |
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| 13:29.28 | courpse | After booting gdm, i need to Ctrl+Alt+F(Anything but display) and then Ctrl+Alt+F(The display) To see the GUI, else it displays a black screen, the same happens when logging in/out. |
| 13:29.30 | courpse | Any ideas? |
| 13:29.43 | markmental | GDM 2 or 3? |
| 13:30.05 | courpse | 3. |
| 13:30.23 | markmental | have you tryed other display managers? |
| 13:30.32 | courpse | Newp. |
| 13:30.39 | fasta | Is there a way to send audio over the network? Just like X can be used to send video over the network? |
| 13:30.57 | ulaek | I've recently encountered a problem with my dekstop icons (Gnome) disappearing. The space for the icons is there, and the icons reappear, whenever I hover the object holding the icon. The worst thing is, that alt-tabbing is only showed up as a gray box without icons. At the same time, my Chrome windows are turning all black. |
| 13:31.13 | markmental | Try one like gdm 2 which is called just gdm in synaptic or try slim another display manager @courpse |
| 13:31.17 | fasta | zykotick9: what is 'limited'? |
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| 13:31.37 | courpse | :( |
| 13:31.41 | McQueen | Hello here is a mysql upgrade error... how can i fix it? http://p.defau.lt/?H6auX7T9Qa_tJT83nfbAVg |
| 13:31.42 | zykotick9 | fasta, you're not going to be able to "game" with it... |
| 13:31.52 | courpse | It runs perfect after Ctrl+Alt+F'ing back and forwards. |
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| 13:32.12 | courpse | And if i wern't using synergy to log in, i'd just accept it, :/ |
| 13:33.23 | markmental | hmmm gdm2 isn't that different from gdm3. Synergy is a mouse and keyboard sharing program correct? |
| 13:33.32 | courpse | Yeah. |
| 13:33.58 | courpse | The machine is planned to have no mouse/kb. |
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| 13:34.04 | fasta | zykotick9: but accelerated desktops would work? |
| 13:34.08 | echo083 | McQueen, how big is your database ? |
| 13:34.09 | courpse | But you can't sent ctrl+alt+F* over synergy, lol. |
| 13:34.29 | markmental | oh I have never heard of this how does it work? |
| 13:34.35 | zykotick9 | fasta, with VBox I can run Compiz yes (FYI VMWare's 3d does NOT support Compiz) |
| 13:34.42 | McQueen | very little... |
| 13:34.47 | McQueen | not a mb... |
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| 13:34.58 | courpse | It uses LAN, you set up a server on 1 PC and can use the client on multiple PCs. |
| 13:35.21 | courpse | They have to their own monitors, but once its set up, you can move the mouse over as if you do with dual monitors. |
| 13:35.31 | courpse | And keyboard follows where the mouse is. |
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| 13:35.47 | echo083 | McQueen, do you know how to make mysql raw (SQL) export ? (please prepend my nickname to your messages) |
| 13:35.52 | courpse | Handy for having a different OS for a deving. |
| 13:36.02 | markmental | ah so can you install gdm2 with the client and it goes on the server? |
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| 13:36.16 | McQueen | echo083, nope... i dont know... |
| 13:36.23 | courpse | No, its just for mouse/keyboard networking. |
| 13:36.30 | courpse | Not anything else. |
| 13:36.40 | courpse | I just replaced gdm3 with gdm2, and am getting the same problem,. |
| 13:37.43 | echo083 | McQueen, open a shell from your initial database and type mysql -h host -u user -ppass db >dumpfile |
| 13:37.58 | McQueen | echo083, mysql-server crashed when i tried to install iredmail... then i coludnt start, update remove mysql-server... |
| 13:38.05 | courpse | McQueen, Use mysqldump, not Mysql |
| 13:38.34 | markmental | hmm I never get any issues with this probably because i use a laptop. I don't think I can help you with this one ask someone else or use google. sorry it's just that I don't know anything about that :( courpse |
| 13:38.35 | echo083 | McQueen, arggghhh you didn't backup your data ? |
| 13:39.32 | courpse | markmental, The problem isn't synergy, its the gdm not booting correctly first time, it takes a Ctrl+Alt+F8, then Ctrl+Alt+F9 (IF GUI runs on F9) each time the GUI is booted. |
| 13:39.40 | McQueen | echo083, no. didnt... but i copy mysql folder after crash... |
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| 13:40.21 | markmental | ill google it and see what i can find |
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| 13:40.39 | courpse | Yeah, i'm unsure on the google phraise to search for. |
| 13:40.39 | courpse | :/ |
| 13:40.40 | LegalEagle | I have registered a new nickname with an invalid emailaddress of porter@ df.lonstar.org hat was suposed to be porter@sdf.lonestar.org coul an op change that for me and resend my verifacation email/ |
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| 13:41.16 | echo083 | McQueen, quite messy ! you made a backup of your bugged database the best you can do is from a fresh install of your previous version of mysql server copy the database folders in it and try to restart |
| 13:41.46 | markmental | so is synergy started as soon as you get to the gdm? courpse |
| 13:42.50 | McQueen | echo083, i tried mysql -u root -p *** db >dumpfile but nothing happent |
| 13:43.13 | McQueen | echo083, no errors no messaged |
| 13:43.41 | echo083 | McQueen, as you can't start mysql according to what i understood you can't make any request ! was a dumpfile created ? |
| 13:43.51 | courpse | Yes, and thats correct, markmental Sorry, i've made the problem unclear, synergy is not the problem synergy is just why i need to fix this problem. The problem is that the GUI needs to be, i dunno, refreshed? by changing to a different display on the machine.. |
| 13:43.56 | courpse | Synergy is no part of the issue/ |
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| 13:44.44 | McQueen | echo083, i am very newbie about mysql adminstration... can you help me step by step... so its hard to understand you for me |
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| 13:45.36 | echo083 | McQueen, i'm afraid to say it but i'm not sure you can restore your database as you made a copy of the mysql server after a wrong upgrade |
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| 13:46.17 | McQueen | echo083, my db is not important... i need to run mysql server only |
| 13:46.29 | McQueen | echo083, mysql start -> Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 13:46.41 | echo083 | McQueen, and what are the error messages ? |
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| 13:47.04 | echo083 | McQueen, "Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.." is just an information message it's normal ! |
| 13:47.05 | McQueen | echo083, mysql start -> Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running. |
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| 13:47.46 | McQueen | echo083, so what s your idea? what can i do? |
| 13:47.49 | echo083 | McQueen, kill all mysql process and restart mysql use this command : killall mysqld |
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| 13:48.16 | stepkrav | i have a kernel failure. dmesg says : "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at fffffffffffffff3" |
| 13:48.21 | stepkrav | any ideas ? :) |
| 13:49.23 | McQueen | echo083, http://p.defau.lt/?FivRy4wqZwxyfEuH7PzSYw |
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| 13:49.43 | echo083 | stepkrav, i was told it is a ram failure try a memory test |
| 13:49.58 | nsadmin | find out what this kernel paging request is, find out what resources (ram? swap? something else?) were involved and how they were involved, then try to put all that info together |
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| 13:50.21 | echo083 | McQueen, now every mysql process were killed restart mysql as you usually do |
| 13:50.40 | stepkrav | nsadmin, any hint how to do this ? |
| 13:51.23 | McQueen | echo083, http://p.defau.lt/?3ISfmatBtTW4dZeI_nSHxw |
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| 13:52.20 | echo083 | McQueen, mysql is started now :) try the command i gave you few minutes ago to dump it |
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| 13:52.45 | aguitel | i am in kde testing ,how disable automatic updates ? |
| 13:53.16 | McQueen | echo083, i couldnt run dump command which you gave... can you tell me step by step |
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| 13:53.48 | echo083 | McQueen, mysql -h localhost -u user -ppass db >dumpfile |
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| 13:54.06 | echo083 | McQueen, replace user with your real username and pass with your real password |
| 13:54.45 | McQueen | echo083, does db > is "db name" or only string...? |
| 13:54.52 | echo083 | McQueen, yes indeed !! |
| 13:55.00 | echo083 | McQueen, use the realname of your db |
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| 13:56.29 | McQueen | echo083, http://p.defau.lt/?NwodI99HkN8sRP9BqImXaQ |
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| 13:57.20 | echo083 | McQueen, was a dumpfile created ?? |
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| 13:58.32 | McQueen | echo083, it didnt print any message after dump command |
| 13:58.44 | echo083 | McQueen, type the ls command |
| 13:59.09 | McQueen | echo083, :) yes here is a dumpfile |
| 13:59.28 | echo083 | McQueen, hourra ! lol you are a real beginner lol |
| 13:59.41 | McQueen | echo083, :) |
| 13:59.45 | echo083 | McQueen, ok mysql is running try to upgrade iredmail |
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| 14:00.24 | McQueen | echo083, can i restart mysql now without any error |
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| 14:00.34 | echo083 | McQueen, it was theo objective |
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| 14:02.03 | McQueen | echo083, its getting the same message on restart -> Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 14:02.19 | echo083 | McQueen, as i said this message is normal |
| 14:02.23 | McQueen | ok |
| 14:02.40 | McQueen | echo083, its all? |
| 14:02.45 | versuchsanstalt | McQueen: much like checking if you got your keys if you're leaving the house |
| 14:02.58 | stepkrav | well my kernel failure seems like this but i cant get what linus suggests : https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/27/52 |
| 14:03.28 | echo083 | McQueen, yes mysql is running fine according to the log file you sent me |
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| 14:03.59 | farkbarn | ?? |
| 14:04.06 | farkbarn | ayuda / help! |
| 14:04.12 | McQueen | echo083, ok i am trying to login phpmyadmin |
| 14:04.36 | farkbarn | last sysfs file: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpu info_max_freq |
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| 14:05.39 | McQueen | echo083, i am on phpmyadmin->burhandb and the table -> finans_portfoy -> in use.... |
| 14:05.43 | farkbarn | I have a error who can help me |
| 14:06.02 | nsadmin | who is the error who can help you? |
| 14:06.23 | farkbarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.29 | farkbarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.39 | farkbarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.44 | farkbarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.45 | nsadmin | wait |
| 14:06.47 | nsadmin | stop |
| 14:06.50 | nsadmin | donm't do that |
| 14:06.50 | farkbarn | ok |
| 14:06.58 | nsadmin | !pastebinit |
| 14:06.58 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
| 14:07.05 | McQueen | echo083, i tried to repair table by phpmyadmin... the message is Unknown table engine 'InnoDB' |
| 14:07.05 | nsadmin | !pastebin |
| 14:07.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:08.23 | McQueen | echo083, what happent to mysql Innodb engi? |
| 14:08.23 | farkbarn | nsadmin, ok one moment |
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| 14:08.32 | nsadmin | also btw there might be folks here who can, but I can't read those errors |
| 14:09.34 | echo083 | McQueen, nothing in my opinion |
| 14:09.37 | farkbarn | nsadmin, http://paste.debian.net/129202/ |
| 14:09.53 | echo083 | McQueen, you tried to upgrade from which version to which version ? |
| 14:10.19 | farkbarn | nsadmin, you see? |
| 14:10.28 | nsadmin | see above. |
| 14:10.29 | McQueen | echo083, i dont now :( |
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| 14:11.33 | echo083 | McQueen, what a nightmare, the content of the dumpfile is correct i mean does it contain the information you expect to be in it ? |
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| 14:12.30 | farkbarn | nsadmin, see dmesg--> http://pastebin.com/YUC7XepZ |
| 14:12.36 | McQueen | echo083, mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.49 |
| 14:12.59 | echo083 | McQueen, and the previous one ? |
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| 14:13.48 | farkbarn | nsadmin, error line 839 |
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| 14:15.32 | McQueen | echo083, it shows phpinfo screen 5.0.51a |
| 14:16.03 | echo083 | McQueen, ok you upgraded from 5.0 to 5.1 ! is the content of the dumpfile correct ? |
| 14:16.07 | farkbarn | nsadmin, i'm rookie |
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| 14:17.51 | farkbarn | nsadmin, need say know this and install driver video and ralink es easy but now problems whit there |
| 14:19.34 | farkbarn | nsadmin, but priority is http://paste.debian.net/129202/ |
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| 14:19.50 | Warthog | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.51 | Warthog | Hi |
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| 14:20.49 | farkbarn | nsadmin, this message in specific http://paste.debian.net/129202/ |
| 14:21.22 | McQueen | echo083, i didnt understand anything about dumpfile. i am going to paste it to net... |
| 14:21.48 | farkbarn | nsadmin, you are? |
| 14:22.20 | andihit | what's wrong when I get /sbin/init: no such file or directory at boot (kernel panic), but the file *does* exist? |
| 14:23.04 | echo083 | McQueen, no don't paste the dumpfile anywhere i didn't asked to ! it is just a backup of the database i just need to know if it was correctly created before working on your database do you understand ? |
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| 14:23.55 | nkuttler | andihit: on the root fs? |
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| 14:24.29 | andihit | nkuttler: I'm at the recovery sys atm, mounted the root fs from the usual harddrive, and can see it |
| 14:24.52 | McQueen | echo083, http://p.defau.lt/?FzuPDBWcPWd7hJ6PnhnFBw the dumpfile is not a backup of my databe |
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| 14:25.45 | andihit | I just bootstrapped debian into a new directory (for an openvz template), then somehow I got for every command file not found, then I restarted putty, then putty closed after login, reboooted, now kernel panic :( |
| 14:26.34 | echo083 | McQueen, you made a mistake in the command or i made one of my side the fact is i have no time to help you one this at the moment |
| 14:26.59 | echo083 | McQueen, can i suggest you joining the #mysql channel ? |
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| 14:27.40 | McQueen | echo083, thaks for your help.... i am very happy for your help... |
| 14:27.59 | aristarchus | hello, does anyone know how to enable /var/log/secure on a fresh debian install? |
| 14:28.12 | McQueen | echo083, very thanks again... |
| 14:28.35 | echo083 | McQueen, i'm not multiple things on the same time sorry to be helpless |
| 14:29.08 | McQueen | echo083, no problem.... you spent more time for me... thank you again |
| 14:29.16 | echo083 | McQueen, you are welcome |
| 14:29.39 | McQueen | echo083, and the mysql server is running... so you fix the more important problem |
| 14:30.05 | echo083 | McQueen, no problem |
| 14:30.32 | McQueen | echo083, see you later if you dont run away from me :) |
| 14:30.39 | echo083 | McQueen, ok |
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| 14:45.43 | lrojas | hi all, can somebody tell me wich DVD should i get if i have a Intel i5 dual core , 4 threads |
| 14:45.59 | lrojas | should i get the ia64 or the amd64 ? |
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| 14:46.51 | zykotick9 | lrojas, amd64 |
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| 14:47.27 | lrojas | zykotick9: when should i use ia64 ? |
| 14:47.28 | zykotick9 | lrojas, ia64 = itanium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium |
| 14:47.35 | lrojas | ahhh |
| 14:47.44 | lrojas | cool, thanks |
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| 14:48.44 | andihit | what can be the problem when I get an file not found for every basic command during an normal shell session? fs corrupt? |
| 14:49.55 | jelly-home | andihit: it depends. Might be a dynamic loader or C library issue. Do internal shell commands still work? |
| 14:50.09 | jelly-home | andihit: which Debian release? |
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| 14:50.28 | andihit | jelly-home: I don't know, I restarted putty, then putty closed immediately, and now I got an kernel panic after reboot |
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| 14:50.36 | andihit | jelly-home: testing |
| 14:50.59 | lrojas | jesus -- 8 DVD, do i need all of them to install debian? |
| 14:51.40 | archetech | no |
| 14:51.59 | archetech | which de do you want to have? |
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| 14:52.40 | zykotick9 | lrojas, personally, I'd recommend netinstall - but CD1 or DVD1 will give you a working desktop |
| 14:52.47 | archetech | I use xfce the cd is 7000mb |
| 14:52.52 | archetech | 700 |
| 14:53.03 | jelly-home | andihit: does that happen with any kernel? |
| 14:53.03 | lrojas | i don't know, i want to install debian, and have the packages come from the internet... i would like to have a GUI enviroment up and running as quickly as possible |
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| 14:53.44 | th0r | archetech: I use xfce and cheated by using the debian live cd...it gave me a working xfce to start. |
| 14:53.48 | andihit | jelly-home: that I can't boot? yes (but I have atm only the default & openvz) |
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| 14:55.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | Can apt pinning be used to prevent a locally installed package from being removed. For example if I perform "dpkg --clear-selections && dpkg --set-selections < PackageList". If I pinned a package before doing that would it prevent removal hopefully, even though this use case has nothing to do with version numbers? |
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| 14:56.07 | aussa | gdm or gdm3? |
| 14:56.18 | archetech | deb x64 xfce is my fav xfce distro its smooth |
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| 14:57.20 | aypea[1] | aussa: a chicken. |
| 14:57.37 | andihit | jelly-home: atm I'm trying to chroot into the somehow broken system, and get the error cant run /bin/bash: ...not found.., but with ls, it's there |
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| 14:59.18 | aussa | I'm getting this error at boot: startpar: service(s) returned failure: gdomap ... failed!, what is that? |
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| 14:59.52 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 15:00.22 | ZenWalker | I can not see the icon desktop for show/hidden desktop on gnome-panel 2.30.2 (debian testing) |
| 15:01.19 | ZenWalker | on gconf-editor - apps - metacity - general on button_layout I have menu:minimize,maximize,close |
| 15:01.26 | ZenWalker | what is the problem? |
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| 15:03.41 | ZenWalker | anybody help me, please? |
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| 15:04.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | ZenWalker: Show hidden desktop? |
| 15:04.28 | aussa | do I need module assistant to install nvidia-kernel? is did this: sudo dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_280.13-1_amd64.deb, is that wrong? |
| 15:04.41 | aussa | (I did this)* |
| 15:05.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | ZenWalker: Show desktop panel applet? |
| 15:05.39 | ZenWalker | LinuxGuy2009: the icon for show/hidden desktop |
| 15:06.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | ZenWalker:Right click on a panel, add to panel. |
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| 15:07.53 | ZenWalker | LinuxGuy2009: on the list, not exist |
| 15:08.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | ZenWalker: "Show Desktop" Applet? |
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| 15:11.09 | ZenWalker | LinuxGuy2009: yes, I can see, thanks xD :D |
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| 15:11.29 | ZenWalker | I use nouveau, dont know about nvidia driver |
| 15:11.55 | qrq | :D |
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| 15:12.23 | qrq | ZenWalker It works better than nvidia-glx? |
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| 15:13.31 | jelly-home | andihit: most often this happens when chroot to a 64bit installation is attempted on a 32bit kernel (32bit livecd media) |
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| 15:16.50 | qrq | ZenWalker Ok :) |
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| 15:28.03 | lol37 | hello |
| 15:28.07 | aristarchus | why is /var/log/secure missing on a new install? |
| 15:28.34 | lol37 | i can't install program under schroot |
| 15:29.09 | lol37 | i'm under debian testing 64 bits and debootstrap is same except 32 bits mode |
| 15:29.45 | lol37 | the error is : http://pastebin.com/7SDbHEMy |
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| 15:31.54 | jelly-home | lol37: you seem to be creating a testing or unstable debootstrap environment. File bugs. |
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| 15:32.19 | jelly-home | !tell lol37 about wheezy |
| 15:32.50 | jelly-home | hm, that factoid wasn't too useful |
| 15:32.51 | lol37 | ok. |
| 15:33.07 | themill | actually, I think that one's already filed. Try cdebootstrap instead. |
| 15:33.09 | lol37 | thanks :) |
| 15:33.17 | jelly-home | also, always use the very latest debootstrap |
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| 15:36.55 | anigma | I've mounted my usb stick (/dev/sdb1) on /mnt. Could I now just do 'cp' to copy things over? |
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| 15:42.20 | lol37 | can i still be able to install newer package version under squeeze ? |
| 15:42.53 | lol37 | i want to install gcc 4.6 despite the only newer version on repository is 4.4 |
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| 15:47.02 | aaket504|2 | you should upgrade to sid, I have gcc 4.6. |
| 15:48.12 | lol37 | does it run under schroot ? |
| 15:48.33 | lol37 | if testing doesn't run, i highly doubt... |
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| 15:55.30 | ksx4system | will it be possible to just download deb files from libreoffice.org and use them on Debian 6? |
| 15:55.46 | ksx4system | I'd love to uninstall OpenOffice and use LibreOffice instead |
| 15:56.10 | thewanderer1 | in SQLite (sqlite3 command), why doesn't function LOWER() convert UTF-8 characters properly, like Å to Å? my locale is correct. |
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| 16:01.53 | thewanderer1 | ok looks like a bug, never mind then :P |
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| 16:02.39 | cdahmedeh | hello! what is the proper way to configure the default de that starts with xdm or startx in debian? |
| 16:02.43 | boudiccas | ksx4system; yes, use the mantra ...... dpkg -i *.deb ........ when you're in the directory where you opened them to |
| 16:03.19 | markmental | Hello can anyone help me edit the xfce menu? So I can remove a program off of it. |
| 16:04.05 | thewanderer1 | cdahmedeh: I'm not sure, but try looking into alternatives and x-session-manager, which is managed by the alternatives system. |
| 16:04.28 | cdahmedeh | thewanderer1: where's the docs about alternative? |
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| 16:05.24 | thewanderer1 | cdahmedeh: good question :P here's a write-up: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives |
| 16:05.31 | cdahmedeh | thanks thewanderer1 |
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| 16:05.39 | ksx4system | boudiccas: i know how to install them but i don't know if it's safe to replace OO.o under squeeze |
| 16:05.39 | cdahmedeh | wow i was wondering how to edit this thing |
| 16:05.41 | cdahmedeh | finally |
| 16:06.47 | thewanderer1 | ksx4system: I think you should pull LibreOffice from backports really |
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| 16:07.16 | MarKsaitis | Hi. If android is based on java, is it true that it rusn slower than ios which is done in c-obj? |
| 16:07.17 | boudiccas | ksx4system; you can install both side by side on squeeze, i have done |
| 16:07.32 | thewanderer1 | MarKsaitis: /topic :P |
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| 16:09.11 | cdahmedeh | thewanderer1: thanks it works! |
| 16:09.55 | jelly-home | MarKsaitis: -> #android |
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| 16:18.12 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 16:18.13 | dpkg | <nvz> especially when you are to ignorant to spell properly |
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| 16:23.20 | mat619 | hi there. I'm desparetly trying to install squeeze on a i586 system using either the i386 XFCE live-cd, the i386 main DVD, or the i386 xfce+lxde install CD, but all fail at different stages. hope you can help me... the first two media allow installation up to the boot loader, but neither Lilo nor Grub can be installed (it gives no further error description) |
| 16:23.54 | wols | !fixgrub |
| 16:23.54 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 16:24.01 | wols | this applies too if grub can't be installed at all |
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| 16:24.28 | mat619 | wols: i tried that before, doesn't work because the grub packages don't seem to be installed at all. |
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| 16:25.00 | mat619 | wols: or do you mean to try it from a shell of the live-cd system? because i changed into a shell on the target. |
| 16:25.21 | wols | yes, and grub is installed normally |
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| 16:27.10 | mat619 | okay? might be worth a try. but i have to get a system onto the HDD at first again. I tried the xfce+lxde install CD now and it fails while installing the base system, debootstrap couldn't install util-linux |
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| 16:28.39 | wols | debootstrap or install cd? |
| 16:29.03 | mat619 | while installing from the CD |
| 16:29.22 | mat619 | it sayed check TTY4, which I did, which showed debootstrap messages indicating it couldn't install util-linux |
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| 16:30.43 | mat619 | this system is driving me nuts, I've tried 9 different distros and 4 different debian version and NONE install cleanly. I changed the harddrive, the DVD drive, the power supply and all cables but nothing helps. |
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| 16:32.23 | Mneumonic | mat619 what kind of system are you using |
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| 16:33.31 | mat619 | Mneumonic: a C3VCM6 based system, which is basically a VIA C3 CPU with all VIA based chipset |
| 16:34.07 | mat619 | oh awesome. "Debootstrap warning: Failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/debconf_1.5.36.1_all.deb" |
| 16:34.47 | mat619 | help :( I'm about to toss this thing out of the window (mini ITX, so should fly well) |
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| 16:36.40 | mat619 | "debootstrap: subprocess installed post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault)" - do I have a memory issue? |
| 16:37.11 | jelly-home | mat619: pastebin current uname -a and cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:37.38 | mat619 | jelly-home: how to paste that if the system has no internet connection? |
| 16:38.11 | jelly-home | copy the output to an usb stick, write it down, something else |
| 16:38.47 | jelly-home | mat619: how did you put dpkg there in the first place |
| 16:39.57 | mat619 | jelly-home: huh? I just did a normal all-defaults CD install. seems it calls this dpkg command someplace. |
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| 16:40.46 | mat619 | currently trying it again with other RAM stick, maybe the other was defective... will give you uname -a and cpuinfo in a minute |
| 16:41.58 | jelly-home | mat619: I'm thinking cpu might not support all the features the system you installed expects. You could try installing debian 4 or 5, or getting rid of libc6-i686 if it got installed |
| 16:42.34 | mat619 | jelly-home: I'm still stuck during the installation, so I hope they wouldn't have put libc6-i686 on the i386 install CD :/ |
| 16:42.56 | jelly-home | or see if the base system install (uncheck all the ticked options at the task selection dialog) works better |
| 16:43.07 | mat619 | jelly-home: the CPU lacks the cx8, pae and cmov features required for most modern distros, that's why I used the i386 install CD |
| 16:44.04 | jelly-home | hm. lack of cmov should make a sane installer not even try to install libc6-i686 |
| 16:44.21 | jelly-home | but I have not used debian 6 installer a lto |
| 16:45.10 | jelly-home | mat619: you can switch to ctrl-alt-f2 console, try to chroot into the system and see whether it's installed |
| 16:45.57 | mat619 | I have completed the installation more or less successfully a few times already. it always reported that the bootloader couldn't be installed, but once lilo was installed in fact so i could boot it up, but then X was missing alltogether and hundreds of packages were unconfigured |
| 16:47.07 | mat619 | most of the time it stalls during the base system install now. live mode never works (says X configuration wrong), but the graphical installer runs perfectly. this all is confusing! |
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| 16:47.59 | mat619 | jelly-home: BAM, stalled again: "Debootstrap warning - Warning: Failurewhile unpacking required packages. This will be attempted up to five times." |
| 16:48.19 | jelly-home | mat619: I'd try lenny (or even etch). |
| 16:49.04 | mat619 | now I've got "debootstrap: Errors were encountered while processing: sysv-rc" |
| 16:49.17 | jelly-home | if things like tar or dpkg segfault a lot it might really point to hardware issues |
| 16:49.54 | mat619 | nope, no segmentation fault this time. it just says errors while processing sysv-rc |
| 16:50.00 | mat619 | and stalls. |
| 16:51.00 | mat619 | the funny thing is, all three different CDs show other signs of erro |
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| 16:51.33 | hunternet93 | What do I add to my /etc/sudoers to enable the new secure path option? |
| 16:51.43 | mat619 | *errors. Will try the DVD XFCE live version's text install again now, that's the one that got me at least to the point where it failed installing the bootloader :( |
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| 16:53.59 | hunternet93 | Never mind, I found it finally. |
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| 16:57.44 | dyek | Hi! Could someone remind me what is the command to use to query the irc bot for the package name given a file path? |
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| 16:59.23 | jelly-home | dyek: /msg judd file bin/ls |
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| 17:02.28 | dyek | jelly-home: Thanks! That is what I was looking for. Did the irc bot for this search changed? I think I was using dpkg bot last time. Or maybe wrong irc network... |
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| 17:03.13 | jelly-home | dyek: dpkg also has similar functionality but is slower |
| 17:03.30 | dyek | jelly-home: OK. Thanks. |
| 17:03.36 | acicula | On Squeeze i need to install gcc-3.3, which is packaged according to http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gcc-3.3.html. but it is not in squeeze because of the issues listed here http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=stable&package=gcc-3.3 , is this correct? |
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| 17:07.25 | mat619 | wols: I tried to follow the instructions the bot gave me, but update-grub isn't installed on /target |
| 17:07.40 | mat619 | which is why bootloader installation fails again. |
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| 17:08.07 | mat619 | up to that point i had no error messages anywhere, so one would presume all is well and no packages are missing! |
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| 17:09.13 | jaggz | rsync -van dir\ ectory user@remote:/path/to/dir\ ectory # This says "created directory /path/to/dir" |
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| 17:10.11 | mat619 | on tty3 i have "in-target: Unexpted error; command not executed:" all over the place |
| 17:10.37 | vazio | hello, my microphone is not working in my eeepc 701 and i could not find any help in the debianeeepc wiki |
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| 17:12.30 | vazio | it used to work but i think that some update broke it |
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| 17:13.59 | un214 | there seems to be some trick to converting between shell globs and regexes |
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| 17:15.02 | wols | mat619: then I guess you need to install it. it should be on cd1 so it should be no problem |
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| 17:22.12 | vazio | well, i've made my microphone to work using this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Asus_Eee_PC_701#Microphone |
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| 17:23.40 | tharkun | Gentlemen if i get to ugrade linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 is a reboot recomended? |
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| 17:25.30 | ompaul | tharkun: if you had a heart replaced would you like it jump started ;-) yes if it |
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| 17:26.49 | jmd | Hello. |
| 17:27.22 | pfred1 | hi |
| 17:27.25 | tharkun | ompaul: your English analogy might be quite precise and correct. Yet me beeing a non-english speaker makes no sense at all |
| 17:27.29 | jmd | I'm having a video evening with my friends. and we've found that when we try to play videos I get the following message: |
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| 17:27.46 | ompaul | tharkun: reboot your computer. |
| 17:27.46 | tharkun | !tell jmd paste |
| 17:28.26 | jmd | "You must install CSS from http://unofficial/debian-mainters.org |
| 17:28.30 | tharkun | ompaul: damn, thanks it will have to wait until midnight since it is a busy server |
| 17:28.37 | pfred1 | jmd and? |
| 17:28.39 | jmd | but I go to that web site and there isn't a link CSS |
| 17:28.51 | ompaul | tharkun: learn to use at and set the reboot for 2am |
| 17:28.57 | ompaul | "at" |
| 17:29.37 | tharkun | ompaul: wi |
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| 17:29.46 | pfred1 | jmd maybe it is a repository you should add to /etc/sources.list |
| 17:29.47 | rozie | tharkun: and read changelog. maybe there was update in parts you don't use... |
| 17:29.47 | tharkun | ompaul: written down reading now |
| 17:29.55 | un214 | I've been known to to nohup sh -c 'sleep 7h; reboot' |
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| 17:30.08 | jmd | pfred1, I tried that also, but there seems to be no such repository |
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| 17:30.39 | ahmad_daoud | jmd: maybe the pkg : python-cssutils ?? |
| 17:31.20 | ompaul | tharkun: do you have mollyguard installed? |
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| 17:31.26 | pfred1 | jmd http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-play-dvd-under-ubuntu-linux |
| 17:31.39 | ompaul | !dvd |
| 17:31.40 | dpkg | [dvd] Digital Versatile Disc. To play a video DVD, ask me about <dvd playback>, then use either <totem>, <vlc>, <xine> or <mplayer>. To burn a DVD, ask me about <wodim> or <growisofs>. To download Debian DVD images, ask me about <iso> and <small dvd>. To buy Debian DVDs, ask me about <vendors>. To copy/rip/transcode DVD video, ask me about <dvd ripping>. |
| 17:31.44 | tharkun | ompaul: since i do not know it i can safely guess i don't |
| 17:31.59 | ompaul | tharkun: you don't want it installed in that kind of case ;-) |
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| 17:32.13 | jmd | dpkg, But all those things say I need CSS. (I' |
| 17:32.13 | dpkg | jmd: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:32.29 | jmd | ve no idea why cascading style sheets are needed) |
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| 17:33.07 | ompaul | jmd: css is not that please visit your nearest search engine for libdvdcss |
| 17:33.17 | pfred1 | jmd probably means this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS |
| 17:33.39 | ompaul | jmd: dpkg is the channel bot |
| 17:34.01 | ompaul | !tell jmd about mm |
| 17:34.14 | jmd | But the message clearly says: "Install the packages from <http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/>" |
| 17:34.15 | ompaul | gaaa |
| 17:34.20 | ompaul | !tell jmd about multimedia |
| 17:34.26 | ompaul | jmd: eh go read that message |
| 17:34.33 | jmd | So my question is, how do I do that? |
| 17:34.51 | ompaul | you don't please read the message I just sent ya |
| 17:35.02 | ompaul | and now I'm gone night |
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| 17:35.38 | tharkun | ompaul: molly-guard sounds interesting |
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| 17:36.05 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 17:37.57 | jmd | ompaul, I read the message, but it doesn't seem to answer my question |
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| 17:38.28 | eptalon | eclipse indigo not in deb yet? |
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| 17:43.19 | jmd | ! |
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| 17:44.07 | HazardX | is it possible to wakeup a system's display from the commandline? IE, I've got a machine that has no keyboard/mouse and I've been using is as a console, but the screen keeps going to sleep... |
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| 17:45.19 | un214 | isn't there an echo into /proc that disables powersave? |
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| 17:47.23 | HazardX | I was hoping for more of a virtual "touch a key" kind of thing, since I don't really have a problem with it sleeping, but when I've got it running the console program it'd be nice if it'd keep itself awake |
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| 17:48.28 | Coweater | HazardX: is it X or just terminal? |
| 17:48.36 | HazardX | just a terminal, no X |
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| 17:50.11 | Coweater | possibly 'setterm -blank poke' |
| 17:50.18 | jmd | libdvdread gives me the following error: |
| 17:50.21 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.11 | Soothsayer | Can I change the location that a symlink points too without deleting it? |
| 17:51.46 | un214 | yes |
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| 17:51.59 | un214 | but it still snaps hardlinks to the synlink |
| 17:52.01 | HazardX | Coweater, that looks like it'd do what I need, but how would I get it to do it (from an ssh terminal) to the actual local tty? |
| 17:52.05 | HazardX | (mingetty autologs in) |
| 17:52.32 | Coweater | HazardX: setterm has a -term argument to specify other terminals, that's my best guess |
| 17:52.40 | un214 | Soothsayer: ln -s newsymlinkpath symlink.tmp && mv -T symlink.tmp symlink |
| 17:53.19 | HazardX | the manual says that it overrides the $TERM env var, and checking the term's actual TERM value I get xterm-color (which wouldn't be helpful) |
| 17:53.35 | Soothsayer | un214, I see. I want my apache's public_html to point to the new version of my site in some other directory with a zero downtime. So this is my best bet? |
| 17:53.54 | un214 | assuming new enough coreutils yes |
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| 17:54.04 | tharkun | HazardX: xset -dpms |
| 17:54.27 | un214 | I reported the bug around 2004 and it was fixed 2 days later |
| 17:54.32 | tharkun | HazardX: man xset to understand what it does |
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| 17:54.38 | HazardX | tharkun, not running x, don't have xset |
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| 17:57.58 | tharkun | HazardX: any fb running? |
| 17:58.08 | HazardX | tharkun, nope none, just text |
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| 17:58.45 | tharkun | Check for the phisical monitor Energy Star savings. It might have them implemented. (/me is running out of ideas) |
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| 17:59.20 | HazardX | the point is to get the display to NOT sleep |
| 17:59.47 | HazardX | 'setterm -powerdown 0' might do it |
| 17:59.55 | HazardX | of course I need to reboot and wait to see if it does :/ |
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| 18:00.02 | Coweater | HazardX: so you have a tty device associated with this terminal? |
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| 18:00.09 | HazardX | yea, tty1 |
| 18:00.22 | HazardX | I've been displaying stuff to it by redirecting text to /dev/tty1 |
| 18:00.58 | HazardX | (doing embedded software dev, needed something to be a display for my controllers) |
| 18:01.08 | LordDeath | isn't phpmyadmin adding itself into apache during the installation? |
| 18:01.08 | Coweater | you can do like 'setterm -blake poke > /dev/tty1' i saw it here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling |
| 18:02.07 | Soothsayer | How can I direct the output of a command to a file and see it in the standard input at the same time as well? |
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| 18:02.34 | HazardX | Coweater, ah... that looks to be exactly what I'm trying to do... |
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| 18:05.08 | un214 | Soothsayer: tee |
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| 18:05.40 | Soothsayer | un214, ok thanks.. but if the program that outputs takes input from the standard input, will there be an issue? |
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| 18:06.06 | un214 | tee buffers, so don't try it with interactive |
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| 18:20.47 | aidalgol | Irony: a critical bug in reportbug. |
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| 18:21.30 | jelly-home | aidalgol: I'll trade you one in apt-listbugs |
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| 18:30.40 | bint | anybody uses "screen" and knows how to add two windows once they were splited with S or | |
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| 18:31.02 | bint | i can split em easily but got now clue how to put it back to one window |
| 18:31.23 | tharkun | Gentlemen I've come acrross a situation that the appropiate video driver fails to fetch the correct size of a monitor by a few millimiters rendering output unreadable. It is indeed a bug of the whole chain. Where should i file it under the video driver, X or kernel? |
| 18:31.59 | valdyn | tharkun: why do you think its a bug in anything but the monitor itself? |
| 18:32.27 | tharkun | valdyn: because the same monitor on twin hardware running lenny works fine |
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| 18:33.14 | tharkun | valdyn: if you have a more apropiate test for it i will gladly do it in name of certainty |
| 18:33.17 | valdyn | tharkun: i suspect this is in the kernel |
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| 18:33.32 | valdyn | tharkun: yea, you can read the raw data from the monitor and see if its correct |
| 18:33.56 | tharkun | valdyn: man $fill_in_the_blanck |
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| 18:34.07 | valdyn | tharkun: yea.. trying to remember |
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| 18:35.13 | ahmad_daoud | ÙÙÙ Øد عرب٠Ù
عاÙا ^_* |
| 18:35.27 | tharkun | !en |
| 18:35.27 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 18:35.59 | neil_m | lol |
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| 18:36.24 | valdyn | tharkun: apt-cache show read-edid |
| 18:37.31 | eptalon | tharkun: i couldn't even read that.. |
| 18:38.49 | ki7rw | how does one find out if an irc service uses ssl connections? |
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| 18:50.33 | d3c | can I map one IP to another in /etc/hosts style somehow? |
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| 18:50.55 | tharkun | d3c: What is your actual problem? |
| 18:51.15 | tharkun | valdyn: i have th output and all seems fine, still looking for the size information |
| 18:51.44 | d3c | tharkun: setting up a development environment. I have some code that uses our production memcached servers. I don't want to use those production servers in development so I figured it'd be easy to map those IPs to localhost in development. |
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| 18:52.19 | d3c | tharkun: (if that's a valid approach) |
| 18:52.31 | tharkun | d3c: ok i get the point use iptables on your development machine and make sure you have the matching services there |
| 18:54.43 | d3c | tharkun: alright. do you know if this is best practice? or should I have some development conditions in my code instead? |
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| 18:55.30 | Woet | d3c: your application should have one point where you define memcache servers |
| 18:55.38 | Woet | instead of a funky workaround with iptables |
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| 18:56.28 | d3c | Woet: right but development memcached server is localhost in my case. production servers are some IPs |
| 18:56.38 | Woet | d3c: yes, I know |
| 18:56.39 | tharkun | d3c: using iptables as Woet just stated is a horrible hack. Your application should be able to have those parameters configured. |
| 18:56.55 | Woet | if DEBUG_MODE enabled |
| 18:56.57 | Woet | define MEMCACHE 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:57.29 | Woet | pseudo code |
| 18:57.29 | d3c | Woet: right. I'll keep it in the code then. thanks |
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| 18:57.57 | valdyn | yea, a program with hard coded ip sounds like a real good idea |
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| 18:58.58 | tharkun | valdyn: believe me there are people that do just that. I had to come with that iptables workaround because the idiots usually don't even have an idea where they hardcoded it |
| 18:59.17 | hareldvd | Hi, need help regarding where log_begin_msg from /lib/lsb/init-functions saves the log from init.d start files? |
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| 18:59.41 | tharkun | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/129243/ |
| 18:59.53 | d3c | valdyn: this is a web-app where I'll have to define my memcached servers |
| 19:00.34 | valdyn | tharkun: i cant tell you if those values are good or not... |
| 19:00.50 | tharkun | d3c: It may be whatever app you want. Please leave any moving target out of the code. And into the configuration files where they belong |
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| 19:01.07 | tharkun | valdyn: thanks any idea on what search term to use? |
| 19:01.14 | valdyn | tharkun: maybe though you can use it to fix your X |
| 19:01.27 | valdyn | tharkun: the real values are also in your display documentation |
| 19:01.44 | smhar | is there a virtual 'on the screen' keyboard that supports languages other than english? |
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| 19:01.51 | d3c | tharkun: I see |
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| 19:16.08 | fckgw | somebody is using proxmox ve in here? |
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| 19:16.51 | Woet | fckgw: ask your question... |
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| 19:18.22 | fckgw | i need to enable "CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_NI_INTEL" in proxmox kernel, whats the easyst way to get this done? |
| 19:18.44 | archetech | #proxmox |
| 19:20.14 | pipeline | he's right |
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| 19:25.12 | kristian-aalborg | hi |
| 19:25.24 | kristian-aalborg | are the kernels from ftp.sunet.se okay? |
| 19:27.03 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: arent the archives signed? |
| 19:27.14 | kristian-aalborg | they look cool enough to me |
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| 19:27.30 | kristian-aalborg | I'm just sorta freaked with the breach there was with kernel.ogr |
| 19:27.35 | kristian-aalborg | *org |
| 19:27.43 | valdyn | kristian-aalborg: so check the signatures |
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| 19:31.24 | thewanderer1 | what driver do I use with BCM4313 these days? |
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| 19:32.04 | kristian-aalborg | hi thewanderer1 |
| 19:32.09 | thewanderer1 | o hai |
| 19:32.16 | kristian-aalborg | lulz |
| 19:33.02 | kristian-aalborg | Comment: See http://www.kernel.org/signature.html for info |
| 19:33.04 | kristian-aalborg | hurm |
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| 19:33.40 | thewanderer1 | kernel.org is down :P |
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| 19:34.51 | sweetandy | Who would attack kernel.org? I can think of two groups |
| 19:35.30 | fckgw | :D |
| 19:35.37 | sweetandy | 1. Cracker morons who juts want to watch the world burn, with no reason to their madness. 2. Some conspiracy of a corporation of government that has a vested monetary interest in seeing Linux fail. |
| 19:35.40 | sweetandy | just* |
| 19:35.59 | thewanderer1 | sweetandy: they say the break-in is accidental and the attackers didn't know what they were getting into... |
| 19:36.08 | sweetandy | lol, how likely |
| 19:36.14 | sweetandy | shrugs |
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| 19:36.26 | thewanderer1 | anyway, driver problem. neither brcmsmac nor b43 recognize my BCM4313. |
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| 19:37.04 | thewanderer1 | ,pciid 14e4:4727 |
| 19:37.06 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 19:37.28 | Dulak | pretty likely if you go through your web logs on an internet connected web server you would see they hit hundreds of thousands of servers every day looking for vulnerabilities. They got randomly lucky. |
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| 19:38.56 | thewanderer1 | ok, I'm using brcmsmac now (descended from brcm80211 as far as I know) and I can't see the network interface |
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| 19:44.09 | DonGruby | http://dongruby.minitroopers.com |
| 19:44.15 | bsdboy | I am trying to implement locking out an account after x number of failed logins. I have added the line auth required pam_tally.so deny=3 no_magic_root unlock_time=900 to common-auth. But apparently its not working. What could I be doing wrong? |
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| 19:45.51 | valdyn | bsdboy: why dont you just install fail2ban? |
| 19:46.04 | bsdboy | valdyn: I am very interested in doing this in PAM |
| 19:46.18 | bsdboy | a personal project you can say |
| 19:46.27 | thewanderer1 | bsdboy: maybe the module doesn't get called at all because you placed it at the bottom of the stack or in an irrelevant file? |
| 19:46.43 | thewanderer1 | oh, common-auth, disregard option #2 |
| 19:46.44 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: how are you testing it? |
| 19:46.57 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: that is possible... would you recommend where it should be going? I mean the stack part.... |
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| 19:47.12 | thewanderer1 | bsdboy: hm, possibly at the top |
| 19:47.32 | bsdboy | dondelelcaro: I have done faillog -l 30 -u <username> |
| 19:47.37 | bsdboy | but I am still able to login |
| 19:47.52 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: do you think common-auth is the correct file? |
| 19:48.05 | thewanderer1 | yeah, looks correct |
| 19:48.13 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: I am sorry I am not very good with English :( |
| 19:48.13 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: faillog is distinct from pam_tally, and you really want pam_tally2 |
| 19:48.30 | bsdboy | dondelelcaro: yes I am looking for pam_tally... |
| 19:48.51 | bsdboy | pam_tally is for locking people out for x seconds in case of y number of failed logins... right? |
| 19:49.29 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: yes, but pam_tally is deprecated in favor of pam_tally2 |
| 19:49.56 | bsdboy | dondelelcaro: so I should be putting auth required pam_tally2.so deny=3 no_magic_root unlock_time=900 ?? |
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| 19:54.06 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: there's no magic_root option, iirc; it's just magic_root or it's not specified |
| 19:54.22 | dondelelcaro | s/magic_root/no_&/ |
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| 19:54.43 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: and you have to actually test it using login or similar |
| 19:54.49 | thewanderer1 | hm, tally2's manpage has some example saying there is a deny_even_root I think |
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| 19:56.29 | thewanderer1 | ok so why would brcmsmac not show my network interface? b43 doesn't work either |
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| 19:56.33 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: do I need to install any specific package for tally2? |
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| 19:56.52 | thewanderer1 | bsdboy: if the manpage is already on your system, I imagine it's there by default |
| 19:57.08 | aPpYe_ | Is there any reason NOT to have "quiet" for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub? I removed it because I wanted to see the progress counter for decompressing the image from hibernation resume. |
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| 19:58.22 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: why are you asking about denying based on failed authentication, though? |
| 19:58.25 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: says no man entry for tally2 |
| 19:58.54 | bsdboy | dondelelcaro: I am trying to lock out an account for 15 mins when there are 3 bad passwords supplied |
| 19:58.56 | thewanderer1 | bsdboy: how about pam_tally2? :P |
| 19:58.57 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: if you're trying to stop ssh attempts, you actually want to ban based on IP address using fail2ban, otherwise you can DOS yourself |
| 19:59.14 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: neither that... |
| 19:59.25 | thewanderer1 | ,file pam_tally2.so |
| 19:59.30 | judd | pam_tally2.so in squeeze/i386: libpam-modules: lib/security/pam_tally2.so |
| 19:59.51 | thewanderer1 | you're not running 3.1 (Sarge), are you... |
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| 20:00.23 | bsdboy | I am running Lenny |
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| 20:00.37 | bsdboy | but apparently inside lib/security there is only pam_tally.so |
| 20:00.49 | bsdboy | x86_64 though |
| 20:01.24 | dondelelcaro | oh, it may not exist on lenny |
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| 20:02.05 | bsdboy | dondelelcaro: lenny is not latest? |
| 20:02.10 | kaluva | Hi there. Could someone that is running Iceweasel 6.0.2 on stable please open http://straightdope.com/ and tell me if the whole page displays? All I'm seeing is the ad banner on top. |
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| 20:02.21 | thewanderer1 | bsdboy: see the topic :P |
| 20:02.52 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: so I should go to squeeze? |
| 20:03.30 | thewanderer1 | bsdboy: at your earliest convenience, yes |
| 20:03.41 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: okay |
| 20:03.54 | bsdboy | is it possible to break the system trying to update remotely? |
| 20:04.01 | dondelelcaro | bsdboy: yes |
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| 20:04.02 | bsdboy | I do not have local access to the system |
| 20:04.06 | dondelelcaro | but it's pretty unlikely |
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| 20:04.37 | bsdboy | okay let me upgrade then |
| 20:04.40 | thewanderer1 | with a vanilla lenny install (no Ubuntu packages, no backports, no testing "leaks") you're pretty safe |
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| 20:08.34 | bsdboy | thewanderer1: I just have installed Sun Java from non-free repo |
| 20:08.38 | bsdboy | I hope that is not dangerous? |
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| 20:08.50 | thewanderer1 | non-free is probably fine |
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| 20:11.55 | fasta | How do I Install Guest additions on Debian Squeeze for VirtualBox? |
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| 20:12.19 | fasta | At some point it wants to download some stuff off the Internet, but it is not able to find it. |
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| 20:13.16 | kristian-aalborg | aight, I know this is "another" distro, but it should be the same in this regard... http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu_p2 --- is it neccesary to be in /usr/src ?? |
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| 20:20.05 | thewanderer1 | on awesome3, Chromium is a floating window, despite setting it to use the "system" window management - how to bring it to behave? |
| 20:21.18 | thewanderer1 | oh, silly me, it was a case of maximizing it by double-clicking on the "title" bar and then restoring its size again |
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| 20:24.48 | thewanderer1 | ok, now something not *that* easy... under GNOME, various buttons like BrightnessUp, BrightnessDown work, while on awesome3 they do not. |
| 20:25.31 | thewanderer1 | I imagine I need some daemon to listen for that, but what tool in particular would do the job? working in console mode without X is a welcome feature too. |
| 20:26.27 | blubberdiblub | thewanderer1, for me, laptop-mode-tools does it |
| 20:26.49 | blubberdiblub | thewanderer1, oh wait, forget that. i confused that |
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| 20:27.54 | thewanderer1 | now, I could write a daemon that listens to ACPI events, but it kinda feels like re-inventing the wheel, plus I'm not sure about security (random SUID crap writing all over /sys could be dangerous) |
| 20:28.00 | blubberdiblub | thewanderer1, it's eeepc-acpi-scripts for me. but that's only for an eeepc, obviously |
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| 20:28.40 | white_magic | anyone know which repository i need to add to be able to install libnautilus-extension-dev using apt-get? |
| 20:28.46 | white_magic | currently it says 'unable to find..' |
| 20:28.56 | kbar | have you tried google |
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| 20:29.14 | kbar | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libnautilus-extension-dev |
| 20:29.20 | thewanderer1 | blubberdiblub: does it include a daemon that listens for ACPI? |
| 20:29.23 | white_magic | i have, thanks for asking, though |
| 20:29.52 | kbar | white_magic: should be in main |
| 20:29.55 | kbar | check your mirror |
| 20:30.04 | blubberdiblub | thewanderer1, not directly, at least not that i know of. but it probably pulls in a dependency with such a daemon. let me check |
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| 20:30.43 | blubberdiblub | thewanderer1, it depends on acpid |
| 20:30.58 | thewanderer1 | oh, looks like I can write an ACPI event handler |
| 20:31.04 | thewanderer1 | now if I only knew how to... |
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| 20:31.30 | blubberdiblub | thewanderer1, should be as easy as putting a simple shell script in a directory somewhere under /etc/ |
| 20:31.52 | thewanderer1 | yeah, /etc/acpi/events but then I need to register it as an event... I'll do some research I guess |
| 20:32.00 | white_magic | kbar: this is what my sources.list currently looks like: http://pastebin.com/LWHi7kDq . I'm pretty sure that i have most of the default repositories in there.. |
| 20:33.10 | thewanderer1 | oh wait... wouldn't my script conflict with GNOME's dirty magic? |
| 20:33.34 | blubberdiblub | maybe, i'm not using gnome, so i can't tell |
| 20:33.38 | thewanderer1 | I don't know the right way to implement this, it seems |
| 20:34.09 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't necessarily want my events responded to *twice* |
| 20:34.20 | blubberdiblub | yeah, i know what you mean |
| 20:34.37 | kbar | white_magic: add this: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 20:34.49 | thewanderer1 | whatever, echoing to /sys/class/backlight/brightness is not so bad |
| 20:35.06 | kbar | (change the url to your choice of mirror) white_magic |
| 20:35.16 | white_magic | yea looks i like i only had main src |
| 20:35.17 | white_magic | ty |
| 20:36.59 | thewanderer1 | now, xbattbar and I'm all set |
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| 20:40.19 | LordDeath | just installed my very first own mail server under debian :) |
| 20:40.42 | archetech | \*/ |
| 20:40.56 | archetech | which one |
| 20:41.11 | LordDeath | zarafa free edition |
| 20:41.16 | LordDeath | with postfix |
| 20:41.33 | LordDeath | zarafa was easy to install |
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| 20:41.42 | LordDeath | but postfix was a bit try and error |
| 20:42.04 | archetech | do they get to scan your emails like google? ;) |
| 20:42.16 | Dulak | Just be lucky you didn't start with sendmail. |
| 20:42.35 | LordDeath | Dulak: apt-get install postfix removed sendmail xD |
| 20:42.48 | LordDeath | it was preinstalled by my vserver hoster |
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| 20:43.51 | LordDeath | currently it is only accessible via webaccess |
| 20:44.29 | LordDeath | now I have to enable imap and ical |
| 20:44.37 | LordDeath | and z-push of course |
| 20:44.55 | LordDeath | to get activesync without exchange :) |
| 20:45.34 | LordDeath | I was suprised by debian's memory usage btw |
| 20:46.06 | LordDeath | after the fresh installation it used only 5mb RAM |
| 20:46.55 | LordDeath | now with apache2, mysql, zarafa and phpmyadmin it needs 113mb |
| 20:47.22 | LordDeath | coming from the windows-world these numbers are impressive :) |
| 20:47.30 | thewanderer1 | used it on Pentium 1 with 32MB of RAM :P |
| 20:47.48 | thewanderer1 | (now, the installer is not quite suited for this, but if you pre-load it, it's rather fine) |
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| 20:48.29 | Dulak | unused ram is wasted ram, but more than likely on a vps you are not seeing the shared stuff, because that is retarded low even for a stripped down install. |
| 20:48.30 | LordDeath | do you know any good beginner's guide for debian? |
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| 20:49.38 | thewanderer1 | hmm, how I learn stuff is dive in head-first for a crash course, so no, not really :P |
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| 20:50.09 | LordDeath | I would like to avoid any insecure configurations |
| 20:50.24 | LordDeath | and you know: nothing is more dangerous than a noob-admin ^^ |
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| 20:51.34 | Dulak | LordDeath: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
| 20:51.37 | thewanderer1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference is a must-read in any case |
| 20:52.00 | thewanderer1 | it's pretty comprehensive. not short, but Debian-specific. |
| 20:52.48 | LordDeath | *bookmark* |
| 20:53.09 | wolfe213 | ok so here is the crazy question of the day.. I have a playstation 1 save which is 128kb, but for the emulator to read it, it would have to be a full 1mb memory card file.. so how can I maybe use dd to make the file including this save? |
| 20:53.17 | thewanderer1 | specifically, the Polish translations seems to have a nice tutorial which the original lacks. what a pity :P |
| 20:54.21 | thewanderer1 | wolfe213: don't know about dd really, I think it replaces files... see the manpage for replacing the contents of already-existing files, or write a simple C program to do that |
| 20:55.55 | wolfe213 | maybe I just need a decent hex editor |
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| 20:56.24 | thewanderer1 | coding in C: 10 mins, looking for a hex editor: 30 mins :D |
| 20:56.42 | wolfe213 | they have programs to do this but I assume they all run on windows |
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| 20:57.21 | thewanderer1 | hm, doesn't an emulator assume the data to be in a certain format? |
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| 20:59.57 | wolfe213 | well i just made blank files of the right size to use as memory cards |
| 21:00.06 | wolfe213 | I guess it is capable of formatting them |
| 21:00.19 | Cain | Hi, my debian server has just rebooted, where can i find 'why' ? |
| 21:00.24 | wolfe213 | issue is I have a saved game and its just the game, not a whole memory card but a single block |
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| 21:00.37 | thewanderer1 | wolfe213: strange that it doesn't have a capability to insert the block into the image :P |
| 21:00.45 | pfred1 | Cain maybe in /var/log ? |
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| 21:01.14 | Cain | pfred1 : i checked /var/log/syslog & /var/log/boot & /var/log/messages what else ? |
| 21:01.15 | wolfe213 | thewanderer1: I was thinking maybe I could just pad it with zeros till it filled 1mb but that may not even work |
| 21:01.16 | thewanderer1 | Cain: see all logs you can (especially messages* and dmesg*), and if you have IPMI read the event log (ipmitool sel list) too |
| 21:01.29 | Cain | i forget about dmesg |
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| 21:01.39 | pfred1 | Cain likely it is nowhere it is probably a hardware failure of some sort bu that is just my best guess |
| 21:01.58 | thewanderer1 | (hence my IPMI suggestion... I hope he has that) |
| 21:02.34 | Cain | dmesg seems like anytime i reboot the server my self |
| 21:03.16 | ahmad_daoud | Cain , What's ur prob ? |
| 21:04.04 | Cain | ahmad_daoud : the server just rebooted by itself, i'm wondering if it's a hardware failure (nothing on the logs) |
| 21:04.20 | thewanderer1 | Cain: does the hardware platform have IPMI? |
| 21:04.38 | Cain | IPMI ? let me google it |
| 21:05.36 | Cain | thewanderer1 : i don't know... the 'server' is an ibm ThinkCentre Workstation |
| 21:05.43 | ahmad_daoud | Once ? |
| 21:05.59 | Cain | ahmad_daoud : yes |
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| 21:06.26 | thewanderer1 | Cain: see the user manual and find out if it has IPMI |
| 21:07.06 | pfred1 | not exactly a spring chicken anymore is it? |
| 21:07.32 | ahmad_daoud | when ? |
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| 21:08.02 | Cain | ahmad_daoud : up 18 min |
| 21:08.10 | Cain | thewanderer1 : okey |
| 21:08.20 | ahmad_daoud | may be processor overheated :) |
| 21:08.25 | pfred1 | 8 years old now it could be done for |
| 21:08.54 | pfred1 | yeah I'd at least opp it open make sure all the fans work and aren't dust blocked |
| 21:08.59 | Cain | ahmad_daoud : maybe, maybe it's an inverter 'failure' too |
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| 21:09.17 | ahmad_daoud | check processor temp |
| 21:09.21 | pfred1 | Cain you're running this off an inverter? |
| 21:09.49 | Cain | pfred1 yes : with my desktop who didn't reboot |
| 21:10.19 | pfred1 | I've seen inverters mess with power tool variable speed controllers let alone computer equipment |
| 21:10.45 | thewanderer1 | ok so I take it as no IPMI? :P |
| 21:11.12 | Cain | thewanderer1 : yes ^^ |
| 21:11.45 | pfred1 | Cain so you do not have the machine plugged into a plain mains power source like a regular wall outlet? |
| 21:11.48 | Cain | ahmad_daoud : temp1: +57.0°C (crit = +90.0°C) |
| 21:12.03 | Cain | pfred1 : no i'm using an ellipse inverter |
| 21:12.08 | pfred1 | yeah good luck |
| 21:12.17 | Cain | who's connected with the server via usb |
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| 21:12.59 | ahmad_daoud | well , its VERY fine , excluded |
| 21:13.49 | Cain | since it's only a one time 'unknown' reboot/shutdown, i don't have to worry much ? ^^ |
| 21:13.56 | Cain | never has a kernel panic or so before |
| 21:14.29 | doubts | hi, excuse my english, I have doubts with mdadm, when I will create the array... Should I use devices by uuid? |
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| 21:14.54 | quint | how do i destroy a partition table and write a new one ? |
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| 21:15.33 | thewanderer1 | Cain: a kernel panic wouldn't be logged as the I/O subsystem is stopped anyway |
| 21:15.43 | doubts | quint: ?? are you in the middle of a question? |
| 21:15.45 | zumbi | quint: fdisk, cfdisk, sfdisk, parted, .. |
| 21:15.48 | doubts | you can use parted |
| 21:15.57 | doubts | (the best option in my opinion) |
| 21:16.04 | thewanderer1 | Cain: activate netconsole. also, maybe you should audit your programs to make sure it was not an action triggered manually by root. |
| 21:16.11 | quint | thanks :) |
| 21:16.19 | zumbi | likes cfdisk |
| 21:16.24 | ahmad_daoud | thewanderer1 : kernel panic causes (reboot) ?? |
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| 21:16.34 | DelphiWorld | Hello buddys |
| 21:16.41 | DelphiWorld | anyone done DVB on debian ? |
| 21:16.50 | DelphiWorld | i do have my DVB card but i don't know where should i go. |
| 21:17.17 | Cain | thewanderer1 : i'll searche about netconsole, thx for the tip |
| 21:17.35 | zumbi | DelphiWorld: first you need a driver (check dmesg), then find an application |
| 21:17.40 | thewanderer1 | ahmad_daoud: no, the reboot might have been caused by a watchdog for example |
| 21:17.52 | DelphiWorld | zumbi: Technisat SkyStar2 |
| 21:18.15 | zumbi | DelphiWorld: if it is under PCI devices, lspci should also show it |
| 21:18.25 | DelphiWorld | zumbi: i pasted it :) |
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| 21:19.58 | DelphiWorld | hello ahmad_daoud |
| 21:20.15 | doubts | there is any advante with the use of /dev/disk/by-uuid in the construction of a raid? |
| 21:20.22 | zumbi | DelphiWorld: I do not have one, but I found some instructions that might help you out, http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Hardware/Installing_Skystar_2_in_Linux |
| 21:20.34 | doubts | is it better than /dev/sdx ? |
| 21:20.46 | DelphiWorld | Thank you zumbi , Reading It |
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| 21:22.36 | sdx23 | doubts: nah, i'm the one and only. |
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| 21:23.12 | doubts | xD |
| 21:23.20 | bint | sorry noob question.. but how can i move the content of a folder into a folder.. lets say i got /folder/stuff/ and i want to move all the folders and files in /stuff/ to folder2/newstuff |
| 21:23.52 | doubts | bint: man mv ? |
| 21:23.55 | sdx23 | doubts: in fact uuids provide more safety identifying the right partition. when (out of whichever reasons) the numbering changes you won't be bothered |
| 21:24.09 | bint | ok doubts.. i gonna read that manpage.. was just too lazy :) |
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| 21:24.39 | doubts | yes sdx23 I use it for fstab file, but I don't know if it has some problems with raids |
| 21:24.50 | doubts | when a disk fails or you change one... |
| 21:24.58 | ahmad_daoud | hello DelphiWorld |
| 21:25.12 | DelphiWorld | ahmad_daoud: Look Private Message |
| 21:25.13 | bint | mv -t olddir newdir? |
| 21:25.40 | DelphiWorld | zumbi: too bad no driver for me :( |
| 21:26.08 | sdx23 | doubts: well, the uuid is part of the filesystem. if your raid provides redundancy the uuid will be preserved |
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| 21:27.02 | sdx23 | bint: nah, -t provides the targed. you'd move newdir into olddir. |
| 21:27.09 | sdx23 | *target |
| 21:27.15 | bint | oh |
| 21:27.36 | sdx23 | bint: without the -t it would be correct, though it still moves the dir. |
| 21:27.40 | doubts | mv without arguments? I don't know but with a little trial you can achieve the solution |
| 21:27.49 | sdx23 | which means you'll end up with newdir/oldir |
| 21:27.54 | bint | yes but thats not what i want |
| 21:28.04 | bint | i want the content of olddir into newdir.. without the olddir |
| 21:28.18 | sdx23 | aye, you're searching for shell-globbing. |
| 21:28.18 | doubts | change the name |
| 21:28.51 | sdx23 | well, that's the other possibility, if newdir is empty or doesn't exist yet. |
| 21:29.00 | zumbi | DelphiWorld: build it :) |
| 21:29.15 | DelphiWorld | zumbi: complicated... don't want to crash my kernel aguin. |
| 21:29.17 | bint | nah can't change the name |
| 21:29.25 | DelphiWorld | zumbi: i has one day looking for someone to set it up for me ! |
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| 21:30.49 | doubts | sdx23: well, if I have a disc with uuid jkl (its an example...), it fails... I put another disc, the uuid changes, and the uuid is in the definition of the raid... I have a fear with situations like this |
| 21:31.33 | doubts | In all examples I only see /dev/sda1 and similar in the creation of the raid... |
| 21:32.09 | DelphiWorld | anyone ? :P |
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| 21:33.41 | sdx23 | doubts: ah, i.c.. i thought you considered using the uuid to mount the filesystem taht's within the raid. |
| 21:34.00 | doubts | no |
| 21:34.16 | doubts | the question is in the creation time |
| 21:34.26 | bint | find /path/source/ -type d -exec mv {} /path/target/ \; |
| 21:34.28 | bint | would that work? |
| 21:34.38 | bint | so it would copy all folders of /source to /target |
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| 21:35.34 | doubts | I understand uuid is better for /etc/fstab (well I have doubts with raids but itsn't the question now hahahaha) |
| 21:36.07 | doubts | bint: cant you use two lines? |
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| 21:36.32 | bint | i could. tell me the lines |
| 21:37.38 | sdx23 | bint: yes. /source/foo will be /target/foo and /source/foo/bar may end up as /source/bar # not sure about that, depends on the order |
| 21:37.58 | bint | i'm just tryin it |
| 21:38.10 | sdx23 | bint: as i said, you're searching for shell globbing: mv /source/* /target/ |
| 21:38.23 | bint | oh |
| 21:38.26 | bint | didn't get that |
| 21:38.55 | doubts | : D |
| 21:39.03 | sdx23 | this will move everythin in source into target - everything but hidden stuff, e.g. .foo |
| 21:39.19 | bint | yep gr8 :) |
| 21:40.57 | sdx23 | doubts: well, the other thing are labels, iirc they are part of the partition-table which arguably will not change. |
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| 21:42.20 | doubts | yes but I dont know mdadm 'internal' behaviour... I think it's documentation is poor in fact xD |
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| 21:53.50 | DelphiWorld | so right, no one do DVB here. |
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| 22:19.57 | DelphiWorld | zumbi: i supose you done dvb allready ? |
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| 22:24.03 | acx0 | when install X on a minimal install, is it recommended to install the 'xorg' package or the 'xserver-xorg-core' package? |
| 22:25.17 | ectospasm | define "minimal install" |
| 22:25.33 | ectospasm | you'll need an xserver, for sure |
| 22:25.53 | ectospasm | ...if you want X at all. |
| 22:26.36 | acx0 | minimal being not selecting the 'desktop environment' package in the debian installer so that it only installs the base system |
| 22:26.44 | acx0 | i'm just wondering which of those 2 packages i'm supposed to install |
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| 22:27.29 | acx0 | there's also 'xserver-xorg' but aptitude says it doesn't actually provide the actual server |
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| 22:27.52 | ward_ | are there any good/useful tools for tabletpc installations? |
| 22:27.59 | ward_ | as in good old tabletpc's |
| 22:28.04 | sdx23 | acx0: well, have a look at the dependencies of xorg and/or xserver-xorg. |
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| 22:28.08 | ward_ | like a laptop with reversable screen |
| 22:28.20 | kkreamer | acx0: look at "aptitude show xorg" |
| 22:28.24 | acx0 | sdx23, I did, but it didn't really clear up much for me |
| 22:28.33 | acx0 | kkreamer, that's what I'm looking at, for both packages |
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| 22:29.19 | kkreamer | acx0: so, xorg says that it pulls in all of the components needed to run the X Window System |
| 22:29.52 | kkreamer | acx0: xserver-xorg-core says that it is just the server component |
| 22:30.20 | kkreamer | acx0: so, if you go the xserver-xorg-core route, you're going to have to install all of the other components needed, as well |
| 22:30.33 | kkreamer | acx0: does that clear things up? |
| 22:30.56 | kkreamer | acx0: I have to ask, by the way, what are you aiming at having installed eventually? |
| 22:31.32 | acx0 | kkreamer, I'm just reinstalling testing on a netbook, originally I used to just install the default gnome install, but I stopped using it in favour of awesome, so I'm just installing what I need now |
| 22:31.38 | thewanderer1 | ward_: there was a must-have note-taking tool, don't remember its name really |
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| 22:32.20 | thewanderer1 | ahhh Xournal! |
| 22:32.36 | ward_ | cool |
| 22:32.44 | kkreamer | acx0: so, I'd install xorg and awesome, and see if that gets you where you want to be |
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| 22:32.55 | ward_ | cellwriteri is also cool (and very old) if you dunno it yet |
| 22:32.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah. and don't bother with cellwriter, it's tiresome :P |
| 22:33.06 | ward_ | loooooool |
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| 22:33.28 | thewanderer1 | timing has me today, heh |
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| 22:33.43 | sdx23 | acx0: if you don't mind having some stuff you won't need, just go with xorg. |
| 22:33.54 | thewanderer1 | I've had quite some time to spend on a ThinkPad X60T you know :P |
| 22:34.41 | aidalgol | When I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, pulseaudio somehow got installed. Is that standard on Debian now since wheezy? |
| 22:34.41 | ward_ | i got a toshiba portege m400 today :) |
| 22:35.04 | acx0 | sdx23, yeah that's what I ended up installing; I was just wondering originally since searching for 'how to install x debian' in google returned a bunch of different methods, some installing xorg-server, and others xorg-server-core, etc |
| 22:35.35 | thewanderer1 | ward_: get an SSD inside and you might end up with a sub-10-second boot |
| 22:35.54 | un214 | I've got 10 second boot now |
| 22:35.55 | ward_ | thewanderer1, with any laptop i guess? |
| 22:36.00 | un214 | *cough* hibernate *cough* |
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| 22:36.23 | ward_ | thewanderer1, a fast SD card is cheaper and also pretty nice :-p |
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| 22:36.51 | ward_ | im installing to a small portion of the hd now |
| 22:37.01 | thewanderer1 | ward_: yeah well. I remember an SSD extending my battery life by 1 hour too |
| 22:37.02 | ward_ | but later on i might reinstall on an sd card |
| 22:37.09 | ward_ | thenthe hdd doesnt have to rotate |
| 22:37.11 | thewanderer1 | SD is gonna be slow I guess |
| 22:37.13 | ward_ | longer batterylife etc |
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| 22:37.21 | ward_ | no a good SD is not slow |
| 22:37.44 | thewanderer1 | good, cause long battery life means nothing if you have to wait to get the job done :P |
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| 22:37.52 | ward_ | my neighbour complained about his netbook being slow, so i installed debian on a 8GB SD card, a 15MB/S sandisk ultra |
| 22:38.04 | thewanderer1 | 15MB/s? bleh |
| 22:38.04 | ward_ | works fine |
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| 22:38.32 | ward_ | there's no mechanics in an sd card |
| 22:38.34 | ward_ | huge advantage |
| 22:38.39 | thewanderer1 | I know, I know |
| 22:38.46 | thewanderer1 | how much RAM? |
| 22:38.54 | ward_ | only 1GB |
| 22:38.59 | thewanderer1 | oh, not much |
| 22:39.02 | ward_ | but i can always swap the memory sometime :) |
| 22:39.09 | ward_ | yeah its not liek i could choose |
| 22:39.13 | thewanderer1 | with 2GB you can run Debian with LXDE comfortably from RAM |
| 22:39.18 | ward_ | they all had 1 GB |
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| 22:39.49 | ward_ | will put 2*1 or 2*2 in there in the future |
| 22:39.50 | thewanderer1 | I once had an initramfs hack which moves the whole system to RAM and shuts down the disk, then disables 1 of the CPU's cores |
| 22:39.54 | ward_ | its a 2Ghz core2duo lol |
| 22:39.59 | ward_ | pretty nice for being so old |
| 22:40.09 | thewanderer1 | yeah, tablets are always top of the line |
| 22:40.22 | ward_ | nah there are also celeron crap ones :p |
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| 22:41.17 | thewanderer1 | see my howto on forums.debian.net (has "make-me-live" in the title), has a package that runs your system from RAM under certain conditions |
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| 22:41.21 | ward_ | bought it because i didnt have a laptop anymore for months now, and also because i can draw on it, in gimp and photoshop |
| 22:41.28 | alazare619 | sigh so much to do so little time |
| 22:41.34 | ward_ | and it was dirt cheap of course :) |
| 22:41.59 | ward_ | lol cool thewanderer1 |
| 22:42.10 | thewanderer1 | or maybe the package got nuked when I lost the RAID, lulz |
| 22:42.34 | thewanderer1 | apparently all you need is a custom boot parameter, a tmpfs mount and a cp -a in initramfs |
| 22:42.59 | un214 | I was planning on making one once |
| 22:43.14 | un214 | actually tried, and couldn't get X working |
| 22:43.40 | thewanderer1 | anyway, my thread has a link to the original by IsaacKuo (that's what I based my package on), should be easy to expand on that |
| 22:43.45 | windparadise | hello, pls i just had an empty box vpn, how do I install lamp and other apps into it? when I did apt-get install php, it came with an error "unable to locate package" |
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| 22:45.15 | un214 | before you scold him for not using google, google doesn't return obviously correct hits to the obious query |
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| 22:45.53 | smartguy_ | hey this is a bit embarrassing, i was installing a driver and in the process i changed a certain /etc/ file argument from "quiet" to "nomode something.. |
| 22:46.12 | windparadise | any answer pls? |
| 22:46.13 | smartguy_ | does anyone know which file that mightve been because i need it changed to start my computer |
| 22:46.21 | somiaj | windparadise: the package isn't called 'php', I belive the one you want is 'php5' |
| 22:46.26 | raschel | Hi, I'm having great troubles getting a dvd to play. Some disks don't play at all. Others I can only play the title track. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 22:46.36 | windparadise | ok |
| 22:46.53 | somiaj | windparadise: you can use 'apt-cache search php' to search though the package names and 'apt-cache show php5' to view the detials of the package with the name php5 to help in your finding the name |
| 22:46.56 | un214 | rashel: did you get packages from debian-multimedia? |
| 22:47.18 | windparadise | thx a lot |
| 22:47.22 | raschel | un214, Yes. |
| 22:47.30 | thewanderer1 | libdvdcss2 too? |
| 22:47.40 | raschel | Yes. |
| 22:48.05 | thewanderer1 | what media player is it, then? |
| 22:48.40 | smartguy_ | does anyone know the file responsible for managing the kernel startup arguements? |
| 22:48.48 | un214 | /etc/lilo.conf |
| 22:48.54 | un214 | or some other file for grub |
| 22:49.00 | raschel | I have tried vlc, mplayer, totem. None seem to work fully, |
| 22:49.07 | somiaj | smartguy_: that is done but the bootloader, which is normally grub |
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| 22:49.49 | dondelelcaro | smartguy_: usually /boot/grub/menu.lst or /etc/default/grub |
| 22:49.51 | iateadonut | i am using a debian server to hold some files. the transfer rate is pretty slow - there is a way to speed up file transfer from a single ip address, right? |
| 22:50.04 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: no |
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| 22:50.24 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: unless something is really odd, your server should be able to transefer files at line speed |
| 22:50.25 | windparadise | somiaj: apt-cache show php still show unable to locate package php5] no packages found |
| 22:50.25 | un214 | iatedonut: yes, it's called gigabit |
| 22:50.31 | dondelelcaro | (or drive speed, depending on what you're doing) |
| 22:50.33 | somiaj | windparadise: do apt-cache search php |
| 22:50.45 | somiaj | windparadise: apt-cache show php5 works just fine here |
| 22:50.48 | windparadise | yes. it came with no result |
| 22:51.06 | somiaj | windparadise: can you put a copy of your sources.list in a pastebin, like paste.debian.net |
| 22:51.09 | windparadise | what if nothing is installed at all? |
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| 22:51.21 | somiaj | windparadise: apt-cache searches though what you can install |
| 22:51.37 | somiaj | windparadise: so if its not finding anything you have a limit in your sources, why I want to see it |
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| 22:51.58 | windparadise | o |
| 22:52.00 | windparadise | ok |
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| 22:53.11 | DelphiWorld | i installed firmware-ralink |
| 22:53.21 | DelphiWorld | i don't see my wireless firmware there |
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| 22:53.22 | windparadise | somiaj: how do I locate the souce file? |
| 22:53.25 | DelphiWorld | what should i do ? |
| 22:53.48 | lotus-blade | is there a good doc for installing ati raeon drivers? |
| 22:54.41 | thewanderer1 | lotus-blade: try the wiki at wiki.debian.org perhaps |
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| 22:55.40 | DelphiWorld | anyone? |
| 22:56.00 | somiaj | windparadise: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:56.02 | streuner | DVB issues? |
| 22:56.21 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: what wireless card? |
| 22:56.33 | DelphiWorld | soma`: D-Link DWA525 |
| 22:56.39 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: :D |
| 22:56.45 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: Do you know the name of the firmware driver you need -- is it outputting that info in 'dmesg' for you? |
| 22:56.46 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: D-Link DWA525 |
| 22:57.06 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: readed the wiki. should by RT3030 the shipset |
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| 22:57.42 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: what does lspci tell you about the card. Also as I said check the output of 'dmesg' for any error/message about your card |
| 22:58.13 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: 03:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 3060 |
| 22:58.27 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: and no error in DMESG |
| 22:58.40 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: issue is that the required firmware is not included |
| 22:58.58 | somiaj | yes but dmesg should tell you that it cannot find the firmware if the module is already installed. |
| 22:59.15 | smartguy_ | thanks dondelelcaro i got the gui to work |
| 22:59.41 | somiaj | if you aren't getting a message about missing firmware it could be that a module isn't assoicating with that card which is more than just a firmware issue. |
| 22:59.54 | smartguy_ | but apparently theres a deeper problem now, when i try to log on, it says the sytem is going down on sept 10th and then says authentication fail without letting me type the pass |
| 22:59.55 | smartguy_ | ..wtf? |
| 23:00.25 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: while PB my dmesg |
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| 23:00.37 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: are you running squeeze? |
| 23:00.38 | raschel | What does "No accelerated IMDCT transform found" mean? is this important? |
| 23:00.53 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: yep, 6.0.2 |
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| 23:00.59 | dasda | . |
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| 23:01.21 | dasda | what should I do to kick software from repos? |
| 23:01.27 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: the driver you want is only standard in the kernel 2.6.33 and greater (newer than squeeze) so you have to also install an extra module |
| 23:01.32 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 23:01.46 | thewanderer1 | hm, maybe it is in backports? |
| 23:02.00 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/nyXvzxjR |
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| 23:02.07 | un214 | smartguy_: log in as root and remove /etc/nologon |
| 23:02.15 | smartguy_ | ok lol i restarted again and its fine now |
| 23:02.17 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
| 23:02.30 | smartguy_ | that was the weirdest bug.. thanks people who helped! |
| 23:03.33 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: does 'lsmod | grep rt2860sta' return anythign? |
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| 23:04.13 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: nop |
| 23:05.20 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: can you run 'modprobe rt2860sta' |
| 23:05.21 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: [ 826.815365] rt2860sta: module is from the staging directory, the quality is u |
| 23:05.21 | DelphiWorld | nknown, you have been warned. |
| 23:05.50 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: iwconfig -a (show the wireless device)? |
| 23:06.03 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: no |
| 23:06.07 | raschel | Is the default multimedia install supposed to play all the disk or do I have to get something else to see the content? |
| 23:06.21 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: any other messages in 'dmesg' about what that module is doing |
| 23:06.33 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: only that |
| 23:06.58 | streuner | raschel: what are you talking about? |
| 23:07.02 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta -- well maybe your card isn't supported if it didn't detect it. :/ |
| 23:07.16 | raschel | streuner, playing dvds |
| 23:07.27 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: is supported. |
| 23:07.28 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta#supported -- list of supported cards |
| 23:07.38 | streuner | raschel: check out xine FAQ, its described there |
| 23:07.46 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: DWA525 |
| 23:07.52 | raschel | streuner, URL? |
| 23:08.10 | streuner | raschel: did you use ever google? :-) |
| 23:08.38 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: oh sorry, my bad, I got directed by a wrong link...first 'rmmod rt2860sta' and then do a 'lsmod | grep rt2800pci' |
| 23:08.53 | DelphiWorld | soma`: lol |
| 23:09.02 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: wait trying something else:D |
| 23:09.16 | raschel | Of course. My experience tells me that when I google for something I get about 300 URLS. |
| 23:09.44 | streuner | well, i mentioned the term "xine FAQ" :-) |
| 23:10.47 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: root@debian:~# r mmod rt 2 86 0st a |
| 23:10.48 | DelphiWorld | ERROR: Module rt2860sta does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 23:10.48 | DelphiWorld | root@debian:~# |
| 23:10.49 | streuner | its the first hit |
| 23:10.58 | raschel | streuner: I was wrong. "Xine faq" returns 304,000 urls. Which one do you mean me to read? All of them? |
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| 23:11.11 | dasda | how to remove some package from debian reposotory? |
| 23:11.40 | streuner | dasda: you mean how to remove a single package? |
| 23:11.48 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: seems as if the final driver in 2.6.33 supports your card, but the staging driver in 2.6.32 does not. I would try a backported kernel. |
| 23:11.53 | streuner | dasda: man aptitude |
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| 23:12.14 | dasda | streuner from repository itself |
| 23:12.21 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: C:\WINDOWS\system32\CMD.exe - ssh -l root 172.18.1.167 |
| 23:12.21 | DelphiWorld | root@debian:/lib/modules# u n am e - a |
| 23:12.21 | DelphiWorld | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:51:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:12.21 | DelphiWorld | root@debian:/lib/modules# |
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| 23:12.23 | streuner | heh |
| 23:13.06 | streuner | dasda: you cannot remove a package from repos, only ftp-master is able to, if you talking about official packages |
| 23:13.28 | streuner | DelphiWorld: please use a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) in future |
| 23:13.38 | DelphiWorld | streuner: SORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY :P |
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| 23:14.02 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: so: Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:51:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:14.19 | dasda | well i want to know whom I should contack and how |
| 23:14.35 | streuner | raises his eyebrow |
| 23:14.37 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-2.6-686 -- I suggest updating to the backport kernel. It should have the module you need. |
| 23:14.58 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: please let me know how do i update. |
| 23:15.13 | un214 | dasda: why? |
| 23:15.44 | dasda | because it's abandoned by developer |
| 23:16.06 | un214 | isn't ash abandoned by developer |
| 23:16.19 | somiaj | !tell DelphiWorld about bdo kernel |
| 23:16.21 | un214 | I tried contacting author of sysvinit and also got no answer |
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| 23:22.14 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: after doing that, should i do apt-get upgrade ? |
| 23:22.20 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: or other required packages ? |
| 23:23.08 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: no, backports are put lower priority, you only install backports you need. |
| 23:23.23 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-ralink |
| 23:23.26 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: no luck :D |
| 23:23.40 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: you just want the kernel, linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 23:24.02 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: you will have to reboot afer you install the kenrel. |
| 23:24.15 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: that's sure:D |
| 23:25.16 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: is downloading ;) |
| 23:25.29 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: should i keep the firmware-ralink driver or i remove ? |
| 23:25.49 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: keep it, you will still need the firmware, just the inkernel module was outdated |
| 23:26.01 | DelphiWorld | Thx thx thx somiaj |
| 23:26.09 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: i may bug you later for wireless config ;) |
| 23:26.22 | ward_ | how can i get the digitizer of my tabletpc working please? |
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| 23:26.49 | ward_ | xserver-xorg-input-wacom is installed |
| 23:26.54 | ward_ | but it doesnt work |
| 23:27.00 | thewanderer1 | ward_: I had to write an actual xorg.conf |
| 23:27.24 | thewanderer1 | don't remember what it said exactly, but the Web should abound in solutions |
| 23:27.27 | DelphiWorld | eating. |
| 23:27.44 | ward_ | thewanderer1, damn :s let me google |
| 23:28.23 | ward_ | have a nice dinner/meal |
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| 23:30.08 | alazare619 | CaptainKnots: you there buddy? |
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| 23:30.48 | white_magic | is there a way to make the debian terminal more like Ubuntu's default? specifically, the context highlighting (like with 'ls -l', for example) |
| 23:31.03 | ward_ | is there a way to listen for the non functioning buttons btw? so i can map some stuff to them? |
| 23:31.20 | thewanderer1 | ward_: try xev |
| 23:31.25 | ward_ | i dont mind writing a script that checks for keypresses for those |
| 23:31.32 | ward_ | thewanderer1, will do thanks |
| 23:31.43 | somiaj | white_magic: there is a way, I do not know it. Why not check the default bashrc and profile from ubuntu to see what they set up. |
| 23:31.49 | white_magic | aha |
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| 23:32.09 | white_magic | well i dont have the ubuntu bashrc file.. i guess i can look for one |
| 23:32.15 | thewanderer1 | white_magic: hmm... dunno what "context highlighting" is but if you mean colours... |
| 23:32.21 | thewanderer1 | alias ls="ls --color=auto" |
| 23:32.34 | streuner | white_magic: bascially i think you looking for prompt howto |
| 23:32.49 | thewanderer1 | do the same for grep, then set PS1 to something nice (borrow that from Gentoo) and you've got your hacienda |
| 23:33.29 | white_magic | streuner: i'm confused as to what you said, but yea, i'm looking for different colors I guess (@ thewanderer) |
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| 23:33.51 | ward_ | thewanderer1, i can't find anything usefull so far btw |
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| 23:33.56 | ward_ | about the digitizer |
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| 23:34.00 | somiaj | white_magic: maybe the #ubuntu people will know what they do to the default bash promt and aliases. (: |
| 23:34.08 | somiaj | white_magic: try ls --color or ls -l --color |
| 23:34.34 | thewanderer1 | ward_: try some ThinkPad tablet howtos (thinkwiki.org ? ) - they will surely include instructions on writing a working xorg.conf |
| 23:34.37 | white_magic | ahhh ls --color does it |
| 23:34.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | or `X -configure`, and customise from there |
| 23:35.19 | thewanderer1 | yeah, you need to add a "cursor" and "eraser" input device (or cursor only if you don't have an eraser tip) |
| 23:35.21 | somiaj | white_magic: you can set up "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" in your .bashrc then by default you just have to type ls |
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| 23:35.31 | white_magic | extensive use of aliases seems to be made :) |
| 23:35.32 | white_magic | yea |
| 23:35.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | grep -c alias .bashrc |
| 23:35.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | 38 |
| 23:35.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 23:36.12 | streuner | pretty lazy, but effective :-P |
| 23:36.16 | white_magic | where is .bashrc found by default? |
| 23:36.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | in ~ |
| 23:36.29 | white_magic | aha |
| 23:36.42 | white_magic | ty |
| 23:36.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
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| 23:37.34 | white_magic | lol... '# uncomment for a colored prompt, if the terminal has the capability; turned |
| 23:37.34 | white_magic | # off by default to not distract the user: the focus in a terminal window |
| 23:37.35 | white_magic | # should be on the output of commands, not on the prompt' |
| 23:37.36 | ward_ | what the |
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| 23:37.40 | ward_ | where is my menu.lst please? |
| 23:37.40 | white_magic | sry about multiline paste |
| 23:37.46 | white_magic | so they disabled it by default |
| 23:37.47 | ignotus | hi, any spanish speaking folk around? I need to translate a single sentence into spanish:) |
| 23:37.49 | ward_ | it doesnt seem to be in /boot/grub |
| 23:37.54 | white_magic | tsk tsk.. they hate usability lol |
| 23:37.57 | streuner | !es |
| 23:37.57 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 23:38.05 | ignotus | streuner: superb, thx! |
| 23:38.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | ward_: you're probably using grub2 then |
| 23:38.23 | ward_ | Kamping_Kaiser, ah yeah probably, its just the default one |
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| 23:38.40 | streuner | ignotus: google has a translator, btw.... |
| 23:38.48 | streuner | hm, too late |
| 23:38.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:39.21 | white_magic | i was gonna mention google, but it's far from perfect |
| 23:39.26 | white_magic | probably best to find a human translator |
| 23:39.43 | streuner | true, but it depends sometimes |
| 23:40.30 | streuner | google is usually able to translate, the output is enough that people unterstand :-) |
| 23:40.53 | stepkrav | hello. a few hours ago, i wrote about a kernel failure i had. Well, there are new security updates for debian stable concerning the kernel, and guess what the problem i had is solved. Debian guyz and kernel guyz, you are amazing! Thanks! |
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| 23:41.22 | streuner | white_magic: but, you are right, sometimes the output of google translator is just crap |
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| 23:43.48 | JyZyXEL | how come when i make a ext4 filesystem on a 3726 GiB device, i get 3667.56 GiB of usable space |
| 23:44.01 | JyZyXEL | with xfs i get 3725.91 GiB |
| 23:44.06 | JyZyXEL | thats a huge difference |
| 23:44.11 | luckz | every time I get a new kernel, the automatic grub script that runs during updating fails at fixing the grub setup on my RAID1. what could I do to fix that? |
| 23:44.21 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: 99% |
| 23:44.39 | streuner | you mean you are able to store one single pr0n file more there? :-P |
| 23:45.14 | JyZyXEL | quite many more |
| 23:45.28 | luckz | a whole bunch of HD pr0n |
| 23:45.43 | luckz | all praise xfs, for it permits moar pr0n. |
| 23:46.01 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: because there is a flag that reservers a certain percentage of the device for admin purposes. By default this is 5% which is a large amount on big discs |
| 23:46.15 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: you can adjust the reserved size with tune2fs |
| 23:46.22 | JyZyXEL | but im fairly certain i adjusted it to 0% |
| 23:46.32 | JyZyXEL | do you need to resize2fs after you adjust it? |
| 23:46.35 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: for big discs that don't have lots of reading/writting its reasonable to drop it. |
| 23:46.46 | JyZyXEL | or first of all how do you check the current value |
| 23:46.48 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: no, gues the jourling on ext4 just has more overhead then. |
| 23:46.54 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: the upgrade process opened VI for me |
| 23:46.58 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: is this normal? |
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| 23:47.19 | JyZyXEL | oh i remembered wrong, its ext3 |
| 23:47.29 | DelphiWorld | how do i exit VI ! |
| 23:47.33 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: I haven't used the backport kernel, why did it open VI |
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| 23:47.36 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: :q |
| 23:48.13 | DelphiWorld | lol lol lol somiaj |
| 23:48.18 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: wanna laugh a bit ? |
| 23:48.26 | somiaj | do I? |
| 23:48.32 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: you say: Open VI |
| 23:48.40 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: my screen reader text to speech: |
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| 23:48.49 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: say: Open 6 ! |
| 23:48.54 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: ;) |
| 23:49.16 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: tune2fs -l <path to file system> |
| 23:49.36 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: sadly still Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Fri Sep 9 20:51:05 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux ! |
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| 23:49.46 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: you have to reboot into the new kernel |
| 23:49.50 | luckz | so no ideas regarding my grub issue? :( |
| 23:49.54 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: i did reboot |
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| 23:50.19 | JyZyXEL | Reserved block count: 0 |
| 23:51.20 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: it didn't give you the option to select the new kernel |
| 23:51.31 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: hahaha i am afraid |
| 23:51.32 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: guess you get less overhead with xls...(: |
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| 23:51.47 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: ls /boot (do you see the new kernel there, vmlinuz-2.6.39- |
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| 23:52.24 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: nop |
| 23:53.03 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: dpkg -l | grep linux-image (does it show you a 2.6.39 kernel) |
| 23:53.11 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: if not you must have not fully installed it |
| 23:53.33 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 (to get the offical name of the package) |
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| 23:54.13 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.32+29 Linux 2.6 fo r modern PCs (meta-package) |
| 23:54.55 | Bus3rr0r | I am setting up an Encrypted LVM, however it seems to be taking a long time to erase the data on SCSI 1, can I skip this part? |
| 23:54.55 | streuner | did you update your system? |
| 23:55.02 | streuner | (aptitude update) |
| 23:55.16 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: what does apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.39 return? |
| 23:55.23 | streuner | otherwise bpo isnt in sources.list then |
| 23:55.39 | DelphiWorld | streuner: i see some bpo stufs |
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| 23:56.15 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: seems I pointed you to a dummy package and you should install the full kernel. |
| 23:56.30 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: ;) |
| 23:56.30 | ward_ | thewanderer1, any tips? i dont have xorg.conf, does the latest debian still use xorg...? |
| 23:56.31 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: linux-image-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae - Linux 2.6.39 for modern PCs |
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| 23:56.55 | ward_ | wants to destroy the digitizer with his bare hands |
| 23:56.59 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: try the non pae one if you have less than 4gigs of ram, though I don't know why that one isn't in /boot and booting. |
| 23:57.02 | DelphiWorld | streuner: should i woryabout pae ? |
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| 23:57.06 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: well if you don't have that package installed, that is the one you want |
| 23:57.10 | streuner | !pae |
| 23:57.10 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
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| 23:57.39 | streuner | no |
| 23:58.11 | DelphiWorld | lol streuner :) |
| 23:58.20 | DelphiWorld | streuner: so i shouldn't wory then |
| 23:58.43 | DelphiWorld | so somiaj if i understand correctly: the backport packages is newer right ? |
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| 23:59.04 | peace | hi |
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| 23:59.09 | icebrain | hi peace |
| 23:59.23 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: correct, the issue was support for your wireless card wasnt' included in the squeeze kernel module and you need the newer kernel. |
| 23:59.40 | peace | quick question: i've created unique users for each website i host with apache, and use mpm-itk with mod_php so php runs as the individual user |
