| 00:00.41 | bazhang | +s |
| 00:01.00 | somiaj | does apt-get install `cat file` work if it is just a 'list' -- though one of the items wrong mess the whole thing. |
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| 00:02.23 | negger | so something like aptitude install | dpkg --set selections |
| 00:03.41 | dvs | negge: dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt |
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| 00:04.21 | negger | come on |
| 00:04.26 | negger | how do I do it |
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| 00:05.44 | alazare619 | whats a good alternative to liquorix kernel |
| 00:07.48 | un214 | emacsOS? |
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| 00:08.04 | negger | for that matter, what IS the liquorix kernel |
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| 00:08.36 | un214 | somiaj: yes |
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| 00:18.43 | freeone3000 | So I'm on a netinstall CD attempting to shove grub into the MBR of /dev/sdb. The automated way fails, so I'm in a shell. I have no apt-get, no dpkg, and no aptitude. I also have no grub-install. All I have is "grub-installer", which does not take the same arguments and doesn't respond to --help. Any ideas? |
| 00:18.53 | freeone3000 | '(hd1)' and '/dev/sdb' both fail. |
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| 00:21.15 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: does /dev/sdb already have a debian install? |
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| 00:21.33 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Not in any meaningful fashion. Reformatted the drive. |
| 00:21.48 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: uh... so why are you trying to put grub on it? |
| 00:21.49 | freeone3000 | Also, that's a drive, not a partition. |
| 00:21.59 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Because it needs a bootloader. |
| 00:22.08 | windparadise | hello, pls I have installed vsftpd but using the root password comes with invalid username |
| 00:22.09 | windparadise | what do I do? |
| 00:22.15 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: and presumably you're trying to boot an install which is on that drive? |
| 00:22.19 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: For some reason, my install medium is detected as /dev/sda. My first hard disk is /dev/sdb. |
| 00:22.43 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Oh. You mean now. I selected a partition on (hd1) as / and one as /boot, yes. |
| 00:22.56 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: did you just do the install now? or previously? |
| 00:23.10 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Just now. |
| 00:23.37 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: if now, it may still be mounted on /target; otherwise, mount the root device on /target, the boot device on /target/boot, and chroot into /target |
| 00:23.57 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: err, before chrooting into target, bind mount /dev, and mount proc; then chroot |
| 00:24.10 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: then run grub-install from inside the chroot |
| 00:24.41 | freeone3000 | Yeah, I have /target mounted, and /target/boot |
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| 00:25.26 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: then you should in theory be able to just chroot in, assuming /dev is mounted on /target/dev. If not, mount --bind /dev /target/dev |
| 00:25.59 | freeone3000 | "chroot: can't execute '/bin/sh': no such file or directory." Uh... |
| 00:26.03 | MrHatter | what command do i do to see if have installed a 32bit os or 64bit OS in squeeze ? |
| 00:26.08 | dondelelcaro | and mount -t proc proc /target/proc ( |
| 00:26.15 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: you want chroot /target /bin/bash |
| 00:26.23 | nsq | MrHatter, uname -a |
| 00:26.39 | MrHatter | nsq, that just tells me the kernel that is installed |
| 00:26.46 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: "chroot: can't execute '/bin/bash': No such file or directory" |
| 00:26.51 | dvs | MrHatter: uname -m |
| 00:26.55 | freeone3000 | MrHatter: That's what you're asking. 64-bit kernel means 64-bit OS. |
| 00:27.09 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: not necessarily |
| 00:27.10 | nsq | MrHatter, with "-a"? im on ubuntu now, it tells me if i use 32 or 64bit :o |
| 00:27.19 | dondelelcaro | you can have a 64bit kernel with a 32 bit OS |
| 00:27.34 | freeone3000 | No, you can have a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit libraries. OS is still 64-bit. |
| 00:27.37 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: what does ls -l /target/bin/*sh; say |
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| 00:27.53 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: No such file or directory. |
| 00:28.05 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: In fact, there's no /target/bin. |
| 00:28.05 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: then you either haven't done the install, or root isn't mounted on /target |
| 00:28.21 | MrHatter | yes, either kernel will work, but it is still either a 32bit or a 64bit install isnt it ? |
| 00:28.23 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: if you define the OS as the kernel, sure, but normally one calls the libraries and executables part of the OS. |
| 00:28.37 | dondelelcaro | MrHatter: currently, yes |
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| 00:28.56 | MrHatter | so what do i do to find out what i have installed ? |
| 00:29.06 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: I've gotten past the "select and install software" part of the textual installer. |
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| 00:29.15 | dondelelcaro | MrHatter: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 00:29.22 | MrHatter | dondelelcaro, thank you |
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| 00:30.06 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: And `mkdir -p /ex && mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb /ex` fails with "Device or resource busy", which leads me to assume that it *is* mounted. Somewhere. |
| 00:30.19 | aidalgol | I'm trying to use a programmable board via USB that is, for some reason, only writable by root. |
| 00:30.24 | MrHatter | just FYI anybody who is listening : virtualbox wont run properly with a kernel that is installed which is different to the OS that is installed. |
| 00:30.41 | aidalgol | I created /etc/udev/rules.d/52-bootloadDFU.rules http://paste.debian.net/129480/ |
| 00:30.44 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: cat /proc/mtab; will tell you precisely what is going on. Presumably you mean /dev/sdb1 or similar. |
| 00:31.04 | dondelelcaro | s/mtab/mounts/ |
| 00:31.08 | aidalgol | and ran sudo udevadm control --reload-rules , but I still have to be root to access the device. |
| 00:31.23 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Yeah, you're right. I meant /dev/sdb4, which mounted, but doesn't contain /bin. |
| 00:31.35 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: what does it contain? |
| 00:31.41 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Could the installer accidentally be putting files on /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sdb4? |
| 00:31.50 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: it's possible, but that'd be pretty wierd. |
| 00:31.59 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: you'd have to have really screwed up the partitioning section |
| 00:32.07 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: /boot /dev /etc /lost+found /media /proc /var |
| 00:32.22 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: It was previously a RAID-only setup that I converted to JBOD. |
| 00:32.43 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: hrm... that sure looks like it didn't actually install anything |
| 00:33.04 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: if it were me, I'd try installing again after obliterating the partition table of /dev/sdb and rebooting |
| 00:33.05 | aidalgol | Why does this rule have no effect? |
| 00:33.11 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you don't care about any of the data on the machine) |
| 00:33.12 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Okay. |
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| 00:34.14 | dondelelcaro | I'd also suggest using LVM for JBOD (unless this is a hardware raid setup using JBOD) |
| 00:34.39 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 count=1000 will wipe out a partition table, yeah? :P |
| 00:34.46 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: It's one drive, and then a software RAID5 for the other five. |
| 00:34.57 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: Because linux doesn't like booting off of a RAID. So. |
| 00:35.12 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: I'm only setting up the first drive, and doing the rest once I have a bootable system. |
| 00:35.33 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: ah; the usual solution to that is having a raid1 setup for the first bits on a lot of the disks, and then doing raid over everything else for / |
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| 00:37.02 | MrHatter | freeone3000, what do you mean 'linux doesnt like booting off a raid ?' |
| 00:37.31 | freeone3000 | MrHatter: I wasn't able to install grub to the MBR of a drive if all my drives were in the RAID5. It would boot, but only with my install drive in the computer. |
| 00:37.37 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: and grub2 doesn't have any problem with raid1 iirc. |
| 00:38.06 | MrHatter | freeone3000, oh i havent used sw raid5, but i use s/w raid1 all the time and its great |
| 00:38.27 | Dewi | MrHatter: raid5 is a lot more complicated |
| 00:38.42 | freeone3000 | Well, I'm going to go with a traditional setup for drive 1, waste about 2TB on user data, and then have the other five drives in the proper configuration. |
| 00:39.05 | freeone3000 | It's probably wrong, but it's the easiest way to get it to boot. |
| 00:39.18 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: up to you; the only issue is that you have to deal with issues if that single drive fails, whereas if you raid over everything with a separate raid1 for /boot, it'll work regardless |
| 00:39.35 | dondelelcaro | has a few dozen machines set up this way |
| 00:39.53 | MrHatter | freeone3000, as dondelelcaro said, you could raid1 your install then raid5 your data |
| 00:40.07 | dondelelcaro | MrHatter: you don't need to raid1 the install; you just raid1 /boot |
| 00:40.20 | MrHatter | dondelelcaro, ah fair enough |
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| 00:40.55 | dondelelcaro | (I have about a 200M /boot, which is *way* more than necessary, and everything else using some other raid level with lvm over the top of that) |
| 00:41.02 | dondelelcaro | s/have/usually &/ |
| 00:41.21 | MrHatter | freeone3000, with disks so cheap, i would never NOT raid1 a linux box, stoopid disks these days have way too high failure rates |
| 00:41.44 | Dewi | I do a similar thing with raid1 & 5 on the same disks |
| 00:42.02 | freeone3000 | Oh. I just got to an install step I've never seen before - kernel selection. |
| 00:42.19 | freeone3000 | What would a RAID1'd /boot look like? In the partition manager, it seemed to only let me RAID entire drives? |
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| 00:43.53 | aidalgol | Under what circumstances would a udev rule fail to have any effect? |
| 00:44.00 | freeone3000 | Oh, and apparently I just installed lilo successfully. Okay, let's go with that. Awesome, should boot now, thanks. Now to set up my other drives in a less stupid configuration. |
| 00:44.30 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: you partition the drives first, then mark the partitions as raid, add them to a raid configuration, and you're done. |
| 00:44.54 | dondelelcaro | would say something about not using lilo, but whatever works |
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| 00:48.01 | lightcatcher | anyone have any experience install debian on a thinkpad t520? |
| 00:48.08 | lightcatcher | *installing |
| 00:49.20 | freeone3000 | Uh. Okay. lilo worked. |
| 00:49.44 | freeone3000 | What does "? panic+0x86/0x143" mean? My keyboard LEDs seem to be flashing but my boot isn't continuing. |
| 00:50.29 | tvm | it means, that your PC just crashed and won't boot. |
| 00:50.37 | freeone3000 | Uh. Okay. |
| 00:51.09 | freeone3000 | "No filesystem could mount root, tried: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (8,20) PID: 1 com: swapper not tained 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1". |
| 00:51.19 | freeone3000 | Does this mean that it can't mount the root filesystem for whatever reason? |
| 00:51.26 | tvm | yep. |
| 00:51.26 | Dewi | freeone3000: why lilo instead of grub2 or grub? |
| 00:51.54 | freeone3000 | Dewi: The textual installer chose for me, and it's the first thing that got it to boot independently. I mean, I'm going to have to wipe the entire partition table and start over. |
| 00:52.02 | tvm | freeone3000: your lilo.conf will point to bad or incorrect or inacessible device |
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| 00:53.02 | freeone3000 | Will a missing firmware file "rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw" make any difference to this? |
| 00:53.20 | Dewi | freeone3000: well, I don't know of anything that can boot from raid5. But even booting off raid1 you probably want something with new features like grub2 |
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| 00:53.34 | freeone3000 | I'm not booting off RAID1. I'm booting off a standard-partitioned disk. |
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| 00:55.39 | freeone3000 | Screw it. Gonna wipe the partitions, reboot, do it *properly* this time, reboot. |
| 00:56.05 | freeone3000 | Then figure out why the installer keeps trying to shove grub2 onto /dev/sda. |
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| 00:58.40 | Dewi | freeone3000: why wouldn't it? |
| 00:59.03 | freeone3000 | Dewi: Because /dev/sda is the install medium and /dev/sdb is the first logical hard drive. |
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| 01:03.35 | windparadise | hello, anyone successfully installed vsftpd on his debian server? I am into thousands of troublles |
| 01:05.02 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
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| 01:12.29 | freeone3000 | Hmm. I seem to have problems installing grub from a flash drive. Would I have these same problems installing from an optical drive? |
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| 01:13.49 | goshawk1 | windparadise, i have vsftpd running successfully on my debian server for the past 6 years, what kind of trouble are you having? |
| 01:14.12 | goshawk1 | freeone3000, should be the same either way |
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| 01:14.31 | windparadise | I am logging with root which seems not to respond, I have even added or configure user list into my server which seems not to work |
| 01:14.37 | windparadise | it keeps telling me user login incorrect |
| 01:14.54 | zutme | So I changed my setup on my debian squeeze server so that it has 4 drives in a volume group (sda sdb sdc sdd). Somehow I lost the ability to boot the system after I tried to reboot it. (It was working fine until the reboot). So I boot up a debain cd go into rescue mode and try to reinstall grub. But when I do it fails and gives me the error. "error: Embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID arra |
| 01:14.54 | zutme | y or LVM volume." Which I guess means that I need to arrange it differently somehow. Any ideas? |
| 01:15.18 | goshawk1 | windparadise, that makes sense, did you look at /etc/vsftpd.conf? |
| 01:16.01 | windparadise | yes, |
| 01:16.11 | windparadise | I keep configuring, reconfiguring, |
| 01:16.24 | goshawk1 | windparadise, wait, you're trying to log in as root? |
| 01:16.27 | windparadise | created a file named vsftpd.user_list |
| 01:16.31 | windparadise | yes |
| 01:17.03 | goshawk1 | windparadise, that's really not a good idea |
| 01:17.13 | windparadise | ok, |
| 01:17.43 | windparadise | on the userlyse I have created an additional user apart from root in case doesn't work, another will work but none of them work |
| 01:17.51 | goshawk1 | out of the box, so to speak, vsftpd will not allow a root login. after all, it's "Very Secure ftp daemon" |
| 01:18.12 | windparadise | ah, ok, lol |
| 01:18.24 | windparadise | after frustration, I want to go back to proftpd, |
| 01:18.34 | windparadise | but I am told vsftpd works faster right ? |
| 01:18.44 | goshawk1 | .. and, in general practice, doing anything as root is frowned upon |
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| 01:18.57 | windparadise | ok ok ok |
| 01:19.08 | windparadise | but even that, I have |
| 01:19.25 | goshawk1 | windparadise, I dont know if it's faster than anything else, architecturally, that's really not the point. It's secure |
| 01:19.33 | windparadise | ok, well, I have created a new user but it didnt work |
| 01:19.38 | goshawk1 | ok |
| 01:20.20 | goshawk1 | windparadise, did you configure it to allow local logins? |
| 01:20.38 | windparadise | yes, I did |
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| 01:20.54 | cshore | you know it's bad when your girlfriend solves your printing issues! It took mine suggesting trying a different USB cable for me to remember to do that. D'oh! |
| 01:20.58 | goshawk1 | disabled anonymous? |
| 01:21.01 | cshore | I was blaming HPLIP and my strange setup |
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| 01:21.44 | windparadise | annonymous disabled, |
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| 01:22.06 | windparadise | currently, the problem which is happening now, is, either with vsftpd or with proftpd, I can't login |
| 01:22.18 | windparadise | using root doesn't work |
| 01:22.46 | goshawk1 | windparadise, if you have your /etc/vsftpd.conf file set for local users to login, it should be working |
| 01:24.13 | goshawk1 | windparadise, port 20 enabled in /etc/services? |
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| 01:24.51 | windparadise | I have activated port 20 earlier which turned to be worse so I disabled it |
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| 01:25.59 | goshawk1 | windparadise, you must have something else wrong then. port 20 should be open for vsftpd, if you haven't tried connecting from behind your router, try that as well |
| 01:26.18 | windparadise | hold a secn, let me post my config file |
| 01:26.19 | goshawk1 | windparadise, you sure nothing else is stepping on port 20 or 21? |
| 01:26.54 | windparadise | I have not entered no value for the port number which I believe uses a default of 21 and it connect all right but the username isnot accepting, |
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| 01:27.00 | windparadise | telling me user name incorrect |
| 01:27.04 | windparadise | after correct entry |
| 01:27.15 | goshawk1 | weird |
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| 01:29.11 | windparadise | goshawk1: apart from the userlisft file, is there a way to add user? |
| 01:29.14 | zeroedout | Hi, I have an encrypted LVM that I want to transfer to another drive. I'm going to use clonezilla. When I boot off the new drive, will the uuid in fstab need to be changed? |
| 01:29.23 | windparadise | maybe with command line |
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| 01:30.04 | goshawk1 | windparadise, do you use "adduser" from the commandline? |
| 01:30.34 | windparadise | yes |
| 01:30.46 | goshawk1 | that's how I do it as well |
| 01:30.59 | windparadise | ah, ok, |
| 01:31.04 | Dewi | windparadise: is it set to use system users or another type? |
| 01:31.29 | windparadise | btw, I am using filezilla, which has an option to connect with either FTP or SFTP, which one do I suppose to choose? |
| 01:31.38 | goshawk1 | ftp |
| 01:31.47 | goshawk1 | I use filezilla as well |
| 01:31.51 | windparadise | yes, that's what I choose |
| 01:31.58 | windparadise | Dewi: system user |
| 01:32.03 | windparadise | maybe another type |
| 01:32.06 | windparadise | I haven't set it yet |
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| 01:33.26 | windparadise | hold, retrieving the config file, |
| 01:33.54 | chegibari | Is there a linux distrubution with VMWare mouse support worse than debian? |
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| 01:34.41 | Dewi | chegibari: did you install vmware tools in your guest with the X11 stuff enabled? |
| 01:36.29 | chegibari | I guess so. I'll check as soon as my wrist is usable |
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| 01:37.07 | dracmas | Hoping someone can point me in the right direction, manual or otherwise, want to make a custom netinstall iso that will download all the packages I use and install them automatically once the base is setup. |
| 01:37.47 | windparadise | goshawk1: pls are you there? |
| 01:37.49 | dracmas | I just dont know if its a file I have to tweak or how to add a bash script to the end of it. |
| 01:38.02 | windparadise | here is my config file, http://pastebin.com/swTjeFpt |
| 01:38.03 | goshawk1 | windparadise, yup |
| 01:38.11 | Dewi | dracmas: type 'aptitude install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3' after install? |
| 01:38.43 | goshawk1 | windparadise, you need to set anonymous to "NO" |
| 01:38.44 | dracmas | yeah just automated from the install |
| 01:38.54 | Dewi | dracmas: do you want the whole install automated? |
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| 01:38.58 | windparadise | ok |
| 01:39.17 | goshawk1 | windparadise, uncomment local_umask=022 |
| 01:39.22 | gnarface | how do i change memory clock speed from within linux? dmidecode has a different speed than what the bios reports... i almost think the kernel is lowering it by default. |
| 01:40.02 | dracmas | yeah, I used crunchbang for awhile for openbox, but its not practical having to update the whole system to what I want afterwards. |
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| 01:40.18 | Dewi | windparadise: "userlist_enable" |
| 01:40.26 | goshawk1 | windparadise, you've got connect_from_port_20=YES, so, you need to open that port in /etc/services as well |
| 01:40.27 | windparadise | ok |
| 01:40.33 | dracmas | I do allot of tinkering that messes up the system ;) |
| 01:40.37 | Dewi | windparadise: why is that there? |
| 01:40.56 | windparadise | I just added it to try |
| 01:41.19 | windparadise | no, I think it's there by default, I have uncommnted it |
| 01:42.01 | goshawk1 | windparadise, I have no userlist_ entries in my config file |
| 01:42.07 | Dewi | windparadise: you've told it to lock out users who aren't in the list, and you haven't specified a list file |
| 01:42.14 | Dewi | windparadise: so it will lock everyone out, probably |
| 01:42.47 | zutme | So I changed my setup on my debian squeeze server so that it has 4 drives in a volume group (sda sdb sdc sdd). Somehow I lost the ability to boot the system after I tried to reboot it. (It was working fine until the reboot). So I boot up a debain cd go into rescue mode and try to reinstall grub. But when I do it fails and gives me the error. "error: Embedding is not possible, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID arra |
| 01:42.48 | zutme | y or LVM volume." Which I guess means that I need to arrange it differently somehow. Any ideas? |
| 01:42.52 | windparadise | hmm, i c, but I think by dfault, it look for vsftpd.user_list file which I created |
| 01:43.18 | windparadise | do I need to specify it again? |
| 01:43.20 | Dewi | windparadise: is it asking for a password? |
| 01:43.36 | windparadise | no |
| 01:43.49 | goshawk1 | windparadise, maybe so, it's news to me though, no userlist in my config file at all |
| 01:43.50 | windparadise | I just typed 2 username there |
| 01:44.00 | windparadise | yes, me too |
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| 01:44.07 | windparadise | ok, let's do it this way, |
| 01:44.19 | windparadise | you talked about adding a system user |
| 01:44.26 | windparadise | can you pls show me the commend again pls? |
| 01:45.07 | windparadise | so I will configure it again to look for the system user instead of from teh file |
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| 01:45.44 | chegibari | Dewi: vmware tools are probably not installed because all compilations are failing |
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| 01:46.34 | chegibari | Dewi: "implicit declaration of function 'lock kernel'" |
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| 01:47.20 | windparadise | goshawk1: what command do I use pls ? |
| 01:47.20 | chegibari | Dewi: "skipping X configuration because X drivers are not included" |
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| 01:47.42 | chegibari | Dewi: where should they be included? do you have any idea? |
| 01:47.43 | goshawk1 | windparadise, for what? |
| 01:47.55 | Dewi | chegibari: it builds them |
| 01:48.15 | Dewi | chegibari: implicit declaration of function sounds like a warning rather than anerror |
| 01:48.36 | windparadise | I want to rather add a syste user which will access ftp |
| 01:49.26 | Dewi | windparadise: with 'userlist' on, it still uses system users, it just filters which have access |
| 01:49.50 | Dewi | windparadise: but leave it off to begin with until you get the basic functionality working |
| 01:50.08 | chegibari | Dewi: it's an error. and it stops the compilation. so it's an error |
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| 01:50.21 | windparadise | ok, I have created a user by typing usernadd, |
| 01:50.27 | windparadise | but I forgot to add teh passwor |
| 01:50.34 | windparadise | how do I configure it's password? |
| 01:50.36 | Dewi | windparadise: passwd <username> |
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| 01:50.44 | goshawk1 | windparadise, passwd <username> |
| 01:50.58 | goshawk1 | hehe, sorry Dewi :-) |
| 01:51.21 | Dewi | chegibari: hmm, dunno, I guess make sure the versions you are using are compatible |
| 01:51.23 | windparadise | so do I need to restart the system for it to take effect? |
| 01:51.35 | chegibari | Dewi: versions of what? |
| 01:51.36 | goshawk1 | windparadise, just the vsftp service |
| 01:51.38 | Dewi | chegibari: actually hang on, I think there's a binary package nowadays |
| 01:52.30 | goshawk1 | windparadise, sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
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| 01:52.48 | windparadise | ok |
| 01:53.30 | windparadise | what the hell is really happening |
| 01:53.32 | Dewi | chegibari: well, they've always built okay for me as long as build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) were installed |
| 01:53.41 | windparadise | I am faced with permission denied |
| 01:53.49 | Dewi | chegibari: you could try the binary package "open-vm-tools" |
| 01:54.04 | chegibari | Dewi: I'll try that thanks |
| 01:54.17 | Dewi | windparadise: you might need to restart or reload vsftpd after changing its config files |
| 01:54.34 | Dewi | windparadise: does it deny access before or after asking for a password? |
| 01:54.46 | windparadise | I have done that 2 times |
| 01:56.03 | windparadise | Connecting to 208.93.155.217:21... Status:Connection established, waiting for welcome message... Response:220 (vsFTPd 2.3.2) Command:USER afidegnum Response:530 Permission denied. Error:Could not connect to server |
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| 01:56.48 | windparadise | but it's working on ssh, defaut sftp but not on vsftpd |
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| 01:57.38 | windparadise | is there a possibility to output list of users attched to vsftpd? |
| 01:58.04 | goshawk1 | windparadise, it should just be using your local users |
| 01:58.46 | goshawk1 | windparadise, you're sure there's nothing blocking your ftp ports? |
| 01:58.47 | windparadise | even the local users are not working still |
| 01:59.02 | windparadise | hmm, ok, let me check my ftp ports |
| 01:59.08 | windparadise | how do I check it pls? |
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| 02:01.09 | goshawk1 | windparadise, telent to it |
| 02:01.27 | goshawk1 | windparadise, telnet <address> <port> |
| 02:01.39 | windparadise | ok |
| 02:02.41 | goshawk1 | windparadise, you should see it answer with whatever welcome message you set in vsftpd.conf, or the default one |
| 02:02.59 | windparadise | yes, I think maybe the port is not enabled, |
| 02:03.01 | windparadise | telnet: could not resolve 208.93.155.217:/21: Name or service not known |
| 02:03.13 | windparadise | where do I enable it pls ? |
| 02:03.21 | windparadise | I will enable 21 and 22 then... |
| 02:03.23 | neil_m | [mavez@Lucy ~]$ nc 208.93.155.217 21 |
| 02:03.23 | neil_m | 220 (vsFTPd 2.3.2) |
| 02:04.08 | neil_m | 22 is ssh |
| 02:04.16 | windparadise | ah, |
| 02:04.48 | goshawk1 | windparadise, for vsftpd, you would want 21, possibly 20 as well if you've enabled that in your config file |
| 02:04.49 | windparadise | neil_m: did you say vsftpd supposed to be port 220 ? |
| 02:05.05 | neil_m | ftp standard port is 21 |
| 02:05.09 | windparadise | ok |
| 02:05.14 | neil_m | but you can change it to whatever |
| 02:05.16 | goshawk1 | windparadise, you can also use nmap to check for ports, nmap -sT -O localhost |
| 02:05.42 | neil_m | i run mine on 2119 |
| 02:05.51 | neil_m | the server is running |
| 02:05.57 | neil_m | tbh i think it's an authentication problem |
| 02:06.55 | windparadise | 21/tcp open ftp 22/tcp open ssh |
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| 02:09.00 | goshawk1 | windparadise, have you tried connecting from the command line, outside of filezilla by any chance? |
| 02:09.04 | windparadise | hmm, gettint to 4 hours now, it's frustrating, |
| 02:09.16 | windparadise | euh, what is the command line for that pls ? |
| 02:09.35 | goshawk1 | windparadise, ftp <address> |
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| 02:10.13 | x010101 | how do I send through control to screen? |
| 02:10.17 | x010101 | I need to send control S to program, but control S is caught by screen |
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| 02:10.31 | x010101 | also backspace doesn't seem to work "inside" a screen |
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| 02:11.09 | windparadise | ftp: 208.93.155.217:: Name or service not knownftp> |
| 02:11.14 | windparadise | what do I put? |
| 02:11.26 | Roy_ | Hey, I'm having some problems with my debian installation. I'm quite new to linux (and my first time using debian). I have a problem (probably something really simple), after I installed debian, most commands aren't working (i.e. apt-get) |
| 02:11.27 | windparadise | x010101: are u using vmware? |
| 02:11.40 | goshawk1 | windparadise, doesnt matter, it appears that ftp is not working on that machine |
| 02:11.44 | windparadise | Roy_: you need to install them |
| 02:12.19 | windparadise | do you have an idea, on how to pls fix it ? |
| 02:12.19 | Roy_ | windparadise: if I type a then press tab twice, I see apt-get and aptitude |
| 02:12.24 | goshawk1 | windparadise, from the command line, do a ps -ef | grep vsftpd |
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| 02:12.38 | x010101 | windparadise: no? the hell would vmware have to do with anything |
| 02:12.47 | Roy_ | Do I need a wireless connection to install them? |
| 02:13.05 | windparadise | vmware tends to control mouse and keyboard, |
| 02:13.11 | windparadise | unless you pres few command s |
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| 02:13.25 | goshawk1 | Roy_, you need a network connection, what's the actual error you are seeing? |
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| 02:14.33 | windparadise | goshawk1: here is it pls, root@storecomplex:~# ps -ef | grep vsftpd root 11474 1 0 05:56 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd root 11638 3442 0 06:13 pts/0 00:00:00 grep vsftpd |
| 02:14.34 | x010101 | this has absolutely nothing to do with vmware |
| 02:14.40 | Roy_ | Unknown command. Ask for the network connection, while installation I noticed I could only choose a WEP wireless network. And my wireless is using WPA2. I continued the installation without wireless, is there a way to setup a WPA2 network without having an internet connection? (I heard of wpasupplicant) |
| 02:14.42 | vazio | x010101: i think you should press ctrl+a before ctrl+s |
| 02:14.55 | Roy_ | But obviously I cannot download it since I do not have an internet access. |
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| 02:15.07 | x010101 | vazio: nope, not working :/ |
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| 02:15.40 | goshawk1 | Roy_, apt-get wont work for you without a connection to the internet |
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| 02:16.05 | freeone3000 | He could have the packages on CD and have the CD as a apt-get source. |
| 02:16.10 | Roy_ | I understand that, but it tells me it is an unknown command when I use it with su, although without su it tells me I am not root |
| 02:16.37 | goshawk1 | windparadise, it looks like vsftpd is running, something is blocking connections though. ftp from the command line should have prompted you for a username/password |
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| 02:17.05 | windparadise | hmm |
| 02:17.50 | goshawk1 | Roy_, when you say, "use it with su" could you be more specific, how are you trying to run it? |
| 02:17.52 | Roy_ | goshawk1: the unknown commands I get are for example, ifconfig. Typing "ifconfig" tells me "-bash: incfongi: command not found" |
| 02:18.05 | x010101 | Roy_: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 02:18.20 | Roy_ | goshawk1: "su apt-get wpasupplicant" but obviously that wouldn't work since I do not have an internet connection |
| 02:18.32 | goshawk1 | Roy_, right, you need to be root, i.e. login as root (bad idea), or use sudo to run it |
| 02:18.52 | goshawk1 | Roy_, try "sudo ifconfig" |
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| 02:19.03 | Roy_ | "sudo: command not found" |
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| 02:20.02 | goshawk1 | Roy_, does "ls /usr/bin/sudo" show anything? |
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| 02:20.23 | Roy_ | "no such file or directory" |
| 02:20.53 | goshawk1 | Roy_, bizarre |
| 02:21.29 | gnarface | *sigh* noobs |
| 02:21.32 | goshawk1 | Roy_, did you just install this debian system? |
| 02:21.43 | Roy_ | Yes, I did it a couple hours earlier |
| 02:22.03 | gnarface | Roy_: ignore goshawk1, sudo is not required. sudo is only preferred to "just always logging in as root" or "just giving all users your root password" otherwise sudo is an unecessary liabilty |
| 02:22.07 | Roy_ | Haven't touched anything, used the graphical installer, and left the fields empty for the network setup |
| 02:22.42 | gnarface | Roy_: furthermore, you don't need to be root to run ifconfig, its just not in your user's path by default. run it with the full path like this: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 02:22.43 | goshawk1 | Roy_, gnarface appears to have all of the answers, you should listen carefully to him |
| 02:23.29 | x010101 | I said to do that 1 page ago! >_< |
| 02:23.53 | Roy_ | gnarface: that works, but is it possible to configure a WPA2 wireless connection without having an internet connection? |
| 02:24.18 | x010101 | you just need your network key |
| 02:24.46 | Roy_ | x010101: I have it, but in the installation process the only option was WPA |
| 02:24.50 | Roy_ | Err, WEP |
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| 02:25.05 | x010101 | is your hardware supported for WPA? |
| 02:25.16 | x010101 | I don't know anything about the installer |
| 02:25.16 | Roy_ | Yes, I'm using it on my other windows partition |
| 02:25.26 | x010101 | >_> |
| 02:25.27 | x010101 | that's windows |
| 02:25.35 | x010101 | is it supported IN LINUX for WPA? |
| 02:25.47 | gnarface | Roy_: possible, yes, but if you missed some packages on install (certain wifi cards need extra non-free firmware and shit) you may have to get creative |
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| 02:26.20 | x010101 | do 'dmesg | less' and search through there for your wireless card.. see what its' called.. then google <wireless card name wpa linux> |
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| 02:26.36 | sho-do | anybody can read my msg ? |
| 02:26.37 | gnarface | Roy_: you're talking to us here, so i assume that you have *a* network connection AND a wifi router that is set up and known by you to be working, you just can't attach the machine in question to said wifi router, right? |
| 02:26.49 | x010101 | an example from my laptop: [ 13.256992] iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, in-tree:s |
| 02:26.51 | sho-do | i have problem in sending ... solved ?? |
| 02:27.05 | x010101 | sho-do: yes we see you |
| 02:27.19 | sho-do | sorry for interruption :) |
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| 02:27.48 | Roy_ | gnarface: unfortunately I do not have a cable long enough to go from my router to my computer, although I would be able to set the protection to either none or WEP, but I would prefer not to if possible since others are using the connection and I'd prefer not disturbing that |
| 02:27.50 | x010101 | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx no such device |
| 02:27.53 | x010101 | what's all that about? |
| 02:27.59 | sho-do | Roy_: so, what's you prob ? |
| 02:28.14 | Roy_ | x010101: "dmesg | less" tells me "less: command not found" |
| 02:28.26 | gnarface | Roy_: then you're gonna have to get REALLY creative. (sneakernet) |
| 02:28.39 | x010101 | seriously, less isn't in default install? what about dmesg | more ? |
| 02:29.14 | gnarface | x010101: there isn't a default install. he probably installed without even the "base system" - this is allowed |
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| 02:30.18 | gnarface | Roy_: chances are you're still missing a ton of stuff you want. i advise you solve the connection problem (move the computer or borrow a longer cable) first, just temporarily, while you get it online and then come back here so we can tell you what to install. doing this by walking a usb key back and fort between a connected machine is going to take all freaking night |
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| 02:30.39 | vazio | x010101: screen only intercepts ctrl-a, the ctrl-s should go directly to the app running inside screen |
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| 02:30.54 | Roy__ | gnarface: By "REALLY creative" do you mean it'd be hard? Or at least for me considering I'm not an experienced linux user |
| 02:31.01 | Roy__ | x010101: dmesg | mess gives me a whole bunch of stuff, anything in particular you'd like to see? |
| 02:31.14 | x010101 | Roy__: look for your wireless card |
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| 02:31.29 | x010101 | I told you ... find your wireless card, then use google and see if WPA is supported |
| 02:31.56 | gnarface | Roy__: only really hard for you as an unexperienced user. still very time consuming for any experienced user though since you'll probably spend a ton of time manually tracing dependencies of what you want installed - which is something apt-get or aptitude does automatically for you, once you have that net connection up. |
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| 02:33.30 | gnarface | Roy__: and... once you have the connection up, *if* wpasupplicant or and some non-free firmware packages or whatever can bolt wpa/wpa2 support onto your card, it will be easiest to do with an already live net connection, no question about that |
| 02:34.36 | Roy__ | gnarface: Then I suppose I will take out the wifi protection, since it's obviously the easiest/fastest way |
| 02:35.08 | gnarface | Roy__: i've got an old 802.11b card (the lucent/orinoko gold one) that originally only supported WEP, but with an updated firmware package and some extra wpa packages that don't get installed by default (because in the basic technical sense you don't need them to use the card) i was able to get WPA working. WPA2 still a no-go for that card, so make sure you know which is which |
| 02:36.06 | Roy__ | I recall the card was working on a previous gentoo installation I got (Someone did it for me in fact, so I learned almost nothing while doing it) |
| 02:37.01 | Roy__ | So I believe it supports WPA2 |
| 02:37.10 | gnarface | Roy__: it will help immensely if you can identify the card with the output of dmesg. i forget who gave you that advice but it was good advice. one of the bots in this channel can even give you urls of howtos for specific tricky cards |
| 02:38.17 | gnarface | Roy__: you might want have some luck finding the lines on your own with: dmesg |grep eth -i |
| 02:38.23 | gnarface | but only if you have grep installed |
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| 02:38.33 | Roy__ | gnarface: is there anyway to filter the content of what it outputs? Like only show what matches a certain keyword or something |
| 02:38.57 | gnarface | Roy__: that's what grep does. check out the last thing i typed |
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| 02:39.14 | gnarface | Roy__: dmesg outputs the dmesg log |
| 02:39.22 | gnarface | Roy__: | makes its output go to a program |
| 02:39.32 | gnarface | Roy__: in this case that program is grep (make sure you have it installed) |
| 02:39.48 | Roy__ | gnarface: it outputes three lines, but none of them say anything about a wireless network card |
| 02:40.07 | gnarface | Roy__: are they about the physical card? |
| 02:40.38 | gnarface | Roy__: try other strings that might work like "wif" or "wire" |
| 02:40.47 | gnarface | Roy__: the -i just means "case insensetive" |
| 02:41.11 | gnarface | Roy__: regexp patterns work instead of just simple strings as well but teaching you regexp is beyond the scope of this conversation |
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| 02:41.53 | Roy_ | gnarface: I just removed the WPA2 protection on my network, now how do I set it up to connect to it? |
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| 02:42.55 | gnarface | Roy_: one sec |
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| 02:46.51 | gnarface | Roy_: you still here? |
| 02:47.11 | gnarface | Roy_: first easy way to set it up is to make sure the driver for your wifi card is loaded |
| 02:47.22 | gnarface | Roy_: then hand edit your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 02:47.45 | Roy_ | gnarface: How do I make sure the driver is loaded? |
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| 02:48.14 | gnarface | Roy_: dmesg will tell you, probably. or you can use lsmod to list all modules loaded - - but you need to know which module it is first! |
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| 02:48.35 | gnarface | Roy_: we're really crippled here by the fact you don't even know which wifi card it is. any luck grepping through dmesg to find out? |
| 02:48.49 | ToHellWithGA | i have a computer running testing which has been up for 50some days without a hiccup |
| 02:49.16 | ToHellWithGA | when i tried to ssh into it, the operation timed out. when i sat down at the machine, eth0 was down for some reason |
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| 02:49.25 | ToHellWithGA | any idea what might cause such a thing? |
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| 02:50.21 | ToHellWithGA | after bringing eth0 up, i still can't ssh into it |
| 02:50.58 | Roy_ | gnarface: I'm getting close, found the Ethernet driver |
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| 02:53.22 | Roy_ | gnarface: I believe I found it : Atherosk AR2414 |
| 02:54.14 | Roy_ | Would it be faster to simply start over and have it choose the wireless network in the installation process? |
| 02:54.17 | gnarface | Roy_: poor you. luckily the bot is wiser |
| 02:54.19 | gnarface | !atheros |
| 02:54.20 | dpkg | Qualcomm Atheros is a developer of semiconductors. For support of PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with an Atheros chipset, ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k>. For USB WiFi support, ask me about <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>, <ar5523>. For Ethernet driver information, see <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e>, <atl1c>. For Bluetooth device support, see <ath3k>. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
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| 02:54.33 | Roy_ | its ath5k |
| 02:54.48 | Roy_ | !ath5k |
| 02:54.49 | dpkg | ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For 802.11n PCI/PCIe device support, ask me about <ath9k>. |
| 02:54.50 | dvs | !ath5k |
| 02:55.28 | gnarface | Roy_: it *might* ... what would have been faster is if you had kept the normal wired etherent connected until you'd verified the wifi worked |
| 02:56.01 | gnarface | Roy_: now that you have wifi working though you're past that. don't go back and start over now. at the moment there's no reason to believe you've done any damage, you're just missing some important packages |
| 02:56.16 | Roy_ | Well, I don't have it working yet |
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| 02:57.52 | Roy_ | And with the wireless connection it would download all the important packages automatically ,right? |
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| 02:58.53 | gnarface | Roy_: well the way it works is you identify one key package you need (like wpa-supplicant) and then when you ask it to install that, all the dependencies will automatically come with it |
| 02:59.38 | gnarface | Roy_: what does this command tell you? dpkg -L |grep wpasupplicant |
| 02:59.57 | gnarface | Roy_: sorry i mean: dpkg -l |grep wpasupplicant |
| 03:00.02 | gnarface | lower-cased L |
| 03:00.30 | Roy_ | gnarface: I already rebooted on to reinstall, should I cancel and boot back into debian? |
| 03:00.49 | gnarface | Roy_: sure if you havn't edited partitions or started installing yet |
| 03:00.59 | Roy_ | I haven't |
| 03:01.06 | Roy_ | But will it be faster to simply reinstall? |
| 03:01.13 | sho-do | Roy_: what's ur problem ? ;) |
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| 03:01.52 | gnarface | sho-do: he's just panicking because my girlfriend came in here and started distracting me from responding fast enough |
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| 03:02.04 | Roy_ | sho-do: I'm trying to setup my internet connection, I'm not experienced at all in linux, so.. :P |
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| 03:02.21 | sho-do | type of it ? |
| 03:02.22 | gnarface | Roy_: go back to debian, and edit your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 03:02.26 | sho-do | wlan , eth ? |
| 03:02.51 | Roy_ | gnarface: Alright, one moment |
| 03:03.01 | gnarface | sho-do: one of those atheros monstrosities. he got debian installed without a wire but forgot he needed wpasupplicant to use wpa2 |
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| 03:03.29 | sho-do | using gnome or kde ? or just CLI ? |
| 03:03.53 | Roy_ | On an off-topic subject, is it possible to set GRUB differently, so it automatically chooses a one OS, and will only offer you a choice if you press a certain key? |
| 03:04.00 | Roy_ | Doing this to save boot speed |
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| 03:04.28 | sho-do | Roy_: yes , edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:04.30 | max_sharpe | i think you can change boot speed. |
| 03:04.39 | max_sharpe | not sure if you can do what you want. |
| 03:04.49 | sho-do | set time to 1 , for example |
| 03:05.06 | Roy_ | sho-do: alright, thanks |
| 03:05.09 | sho-do | this is not your problem , is it ? :( |
| 03:05.20 | Roy_ | gnarface: I don't have the permission to open /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:05.39 | Roy_ | sho-do: What do you mean? |
| 03:05.44 | gnarface | Roy_: that you will have to do as root |
| 03:05.57 | gnarface | Roy_: do this command to get to root: su - |
| 03:06.02 | gnarface | Roy_: it will prompt you for your password |
| 03:06.26 | gnarface | Roy_: later, don't forget to "ctrl-D" to drop root access when you don't need it anymore (or you might accidentally break something) |
| 03:06.38 | sho-do | Roy_: i mean your main problem ?? |
| 03:07.02 | sho-do | or better sudo ;) |
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| 03:07.24 | Roy_ | gnarface: I... still get permission denied as root? I opened another terminal (or is it the wrong term?) with ctrl+F2, logged in as root, and still get permission denied |
| 03:08.00 | sho-do | Roy_: output of (whoami) ?? |
| 03:08.09 | Roy_ | sho-do: I am trying to setup my internet connection on my freshly installed debian |
| 03:08.14 | Roy_ | shodo: root |
| 03:08.26 | sho-do | aha ... so what happened ? |
| 03:08.27 | gnarface | Roy_: that is pretty bizarre. ls -l /etc/network/interfaces (what does that command say?) |
| 03:08.51 | Dewi | Roy_: what command are you running to open the file? |
| 03:08.54 | gnarface | Roy_: maybe starting from the installer IS a good idea. did something go wrong? |
| 03:08.57 | Roy_ | "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 204 Sep 11 16:38 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:09.15 | Roy_ | gnarface: Nothing went wrong other than I skipped the wireless part |
| 03:09.26 | gnarface | Roy_: oh. you don't run that command. its a text file you edit. edit it with nano like this: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:09.35 | gnarface | Roy_: (basic nano controls should be listed along the bottom) |
| 03:09.36 | Roy_ | sho-do: I skipped the wireless part since I was using WPA2 at the time and it didn't support it. |
| 03:09.41 | sho-do | device recognized ?? output of (ifconfig) |
| 03:09.48 | sho-do | Roy_: device recognized ?? output of (ifconfig) ? |
| 03:09.51 | Roy_ | Alright, it's empty |
| 03:10.12 | Dewi | Roy_: the installer doesn't leave it empty |
| 03:10.46 | Roy_ | Dewi: Oh nevermind, I accidently misplaced an s to "networks" |
| 03:10.57 | Roy_ | it has two lines: "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" |
| 03:12.10 | sho-do | Roy_: ifconfig ? |
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| 03:12.26 | Roy_ | sho-do: I believe it's recognized, but the thing is I skipped the part since the installer did not support WPA2 connections, and I couldn't download the packages to connect into WPA2 (wpasupplicant). I removed the password on my network and now I'm trying to connect to it |
| 03:12.56 | Roy_ | sho-do: it has the device "lo", that is all |
| 03:13.05 | sho-do | Roy_: that's not cool , try (lspci -vnn) will tell u if recog or not . |
| 03:13.20 | sho-do | Roy_: lo is loop device , don't care for it ! |
| 03:13.27 | gnarface | Roy_: that's pretty easy, the wireless network line will be two lines that look very similar. all you will have to do is add them and restart |
| 03:13.55 | sho-do | Roy_: atheros will be something like ath0 or wlan0 .. |
| 03:14.30 | gnarface | Roy_: you would add say: "auto eth0" to the end of the file and then on the next line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and then restart networking and assuming the driver is loaded you're good to go install wpasupplicant and stuff |
| 03:14.38 | Dewi | Roy_: did you do "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 03:14.45 | Dewi | Roy_: then it will list unconfigured interfaces too |
| 03:14.51 | gnarface | Roy_: that assumes that eth0 is your wifi card though, which its probably not, and that your wifi router has dhcp configured |
| 03:15.09 | gnarface | god it must be confusing to have 3 people giving you different advice about the same stuff |
| 03:15.27 | gnarface | Roy_: you're on the right track, i'm going to go eat. don't panic and reinstall. you will want to know how to do this basic stuff |
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| 03:15.49 | Roy_ | Dewi: There's also eth0 and wwlan0 |
| 03:15.57 | sho-do | gnarface: am sorry , go on bro :) |
| 03:16.19 | Roy_ | gnarface: Alright, I added them, I put wlan0 instead of eth0 though |
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| 03:17.08 | gnarface | sho-do: no you take over. he's almost got this. once he gets wifi working unencrypted he just needs to get wpa2 enabled (i think that just requires wpasupplicant and maybe a non-free firmware package, the bot in this channel knows) |
| 03:18.09 | dvs | hotwires the bot |
| 03:18.47 | Roy_ | sho-do: I have both eth0 and wlan0 since I have an ethernet card (which I don't use) and a wireless one (which I need to configure to use WPA2, but right now my connection is not protected, temprarily, to get it to work with WPA2) |
| 03:21.27 | Roy_ | Dewi are you still there? |
| 03:21.39 | sho-do | Roy_: am sorry i was away ;) |
| 03:21.48 | Roy_ | Oh, no problem |
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| 03:21.49 | sho-do | gnarface: R U here bro ? |
| 03:22.07 | Roy_ | He left to go eat |
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| 03:22.27 | Dewi | Roy_: sounds like you've nearly got it, that would be enough for wired |
| 03:22.48 | Dewi | Roy_: hopefully that's all you need to unencrypted wireless? |
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| 03:22.54 | Dewi | Roy_: I actually don't know that bit |
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| 03:23.30 | Roy_ | Dewi: Well I haven't even configured it to know which network to connect to |
| 03:23.39 | itsnotabigtruck | hey, anyone know if there's any way i can pass options to a pre-boot fsck |
| 03:23.45 | sho-do | Roy_: can u summarize ur situation ? |
| 03:23.50 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. tell it that yes, i really do want to fix the filesystem next boot |
| 03:23.57 | Dewi | Roy_: oh yeah, needs an ssid |
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| 03:24.02 | itsnotabigtruck | (this is ext4 btw) |
| 03:24.13 | Roy_ | sho-do I added the wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:24.34 | aussa | hi, I installed 280.13 nvidia-glx and when I try to configure X to use the drivers through a xorg.conf file X fails to start, any ideas? |
| 03:24.52 | sho-do | Roy_: OK , device detected ? |
| 03:25.00 | sho-do | and drivers loaded ? |
| 03:25.02 | itsnotabigtruck | aussa: anything interesting when you do a startx, or in the logs? |
| 03:25.04 | Roy_ | I believe it is |
| 03:25.23 | sho-do | Roy_: Fine , u have connection manager ? |
| 03:25.34 | Roy_ | sho-do: Not sure, how do I know? |
| 03:25.55 | sho-do | u have gui ? |
| 03:26.04 | sho-do | gnome or kde ? |
| 03:26.09 | Roy_ | Not yet |
| 03:26.19 | sho-do | text ? :) |
| 03:26.25 | Roy_ | It's a very fresh install I got, yeah it's terminal only |
| 03:26.49 | sho-do | have cnetworkmanager installed ?? |
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| 03:27.02 | sho-do | text-based network manager |
| 03:27.08 | aussa | itsnotabigtruck, well. at boot a I get this message: startpar: service(s) returned failure: gdomap ... failed! , I don't know it that has something to do... mmm... when I start kdm, the alt-ctrl-f7 screens has a black screen with a white line on the top left.... |
| 03:27.08 | sho-do | ?? |
| 03:27.17 | aussa | itsnotabigtruck, I don't know, what else? |
| 03:27.19 | Roy_ | Not sure, I haven't installed anything, so if it doesn't come with the installer, I haven't. |
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| 03:28.19 | sho-do | type cne<tab> ... output ?? |
| 03:28.30 | sho-do | installed ?? |
| 03:28.35 | Roy_ | Nope |
| 03:29.19 | Roy_ | I think I really should just reinstall from scratch this time with an unencrypted network, since it'd be way faster and I could actually get the wpasupplicant to work tonight |
| 03:29.53 | Roy_ | I'd prefer not having to set the other computers in this house to unencrypted for a single day and then back to WPA2. |
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| 03:31.32 | sho-do | Roy_: iwlist installed ?? type iwl<tab> |
| 03:32.22 | Roy_ | sho-do: I started reinstall debian, this time it will be able to download the additional packages and I'll have wpasupplicant running soon |
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| 03:34.19 | sho-do | Roy_: reinstall is the last step before amputation :( |
| 03:34.47 | Roy_ | sho-do: Well it's getting kinda late here and I'm hoping to not go to sleep to late |
| 03:35.13 | Roy_ | sho-do: I have a quick question that my be noobish, but what is "Domain Name"? Is that the default gateway? |
| 03:35.23 | Roy_ | Like 192.168.0.1? |
| 03:35.40 | wols | Roy_: from what did you install? cd1 or netinst? |
| 03:35.49 | Roy_ | netinst |
| 03:36.09 | wols | then you need to go to packages.debian.org and download wpasupplicant .deb for your arch |
| 03:36.45 | sho-do | simply it's google.com , yahoo.com (without www) |
| 03:36.52 | wols | also wireless-tools probably |
| 03:37.23 | wols | for you, you don't need to set a domain name. just keep it to ".local" for now |
| 03:37.24 | sho-do | Roy_: or you mean Domain name system ?? ..... i don't think so :) |
| 03:37.42 | Roy_ | sho-do: I am configuring the network and it asks for domain name |
| 03:38.16 | wols | Roy_: which wlan chip do you use? |
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| 03:38.36 | Roy_ | wols: atheros |
| 03:38.47 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone have any idea on how to invoke a full fsck (e.g. fsck -fpD) on the next boot |
| 03:38.54 | itsnotabigtruck | *e2fsck |
| 03:39.00 | itsnotabigtruck | touch /forcefsck doesn't seem to do the trick |
| 03:39.30 | simonlnu | it does too work |
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| 03:46.06 | sho-do | Roy_: sorry , was away :( , well it's just your hostname :) |
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| 03:46.57 | sho-do | Roy_: like .. Roy@something-called-Domain-Name |
| 03:47.13 | sho-do | Roy_: like .. Roy@debian-PC |
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| 03:47.26 | Roy_ | Oh, can I change that later? |
| 03:47.37 | wols | yes you can |
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| 03:49.47 | sho-do | Roy_: yes you can (answer delay coz am moving .. here & there .. ) |
| 03:50.27 | Roy_ | No problem. Also, in the installation process, when it asks to install a desktop environnement, does it give you the choice? |
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| 03:50.46 | Roy_ | Because it seems like it's downloading a huge file, but I was hoping I'd have the choice of the DE to install |
| 03:50.56 | Roy_ | Especially since I don't want GNOME nor KDE |
| 03:52.28 | somiaj | if you say yes to a DE you will get gnome by default. |
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| 03:52.53 | somiaj | You don't have to say 'y' to any of tasksel's questions and just install only the software you want -- my recomendentation. |
| 03:53.00 | Roy_ | Aw damn, is it complicated to uninstall? |
| 03:53.15 | somiaj | not at all |
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| 03:54.23 | somiaj | or you can leave it there and then install the WM (or DE) of your choice. Might be as simple as apt-get remove gnome && apt-get autoremove (to take out all the automatic packages that got pulled in with that meta package) |
| 03:55.00 | Roy_ | alright thanks |
| 03:55.14 | aussa | when I run X -configure a xorg.conf file is created, but it detects 2 screens, should that be because my laptop has two graphics cards? how do I turn off Intel graphics? |
| 03:55.46 | sho-do | Roy_: somiaj's right , but it will take too much time downloading :( |
| 03:55.54 | somiaj | modify the xorg.conf by hand and remove the second screen. |
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| 03:56.28 | somiaj | sho-do: if its still in the downloading stage Roy_ can just ctrl-C the processes and then start manually installing things. No problem if he does it before it actually starts installing the stuff |
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| 03:56.46 | somiaj | aussa: just trying to get your single nvidia graphics card to work still? |
| 03:56.54 | aussa | somiaj, yes |
| 03:56.56 | aussa | hahahaha |
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| 03:57.25 | Roy_ | somiaj: I am in the debian installer, I cannot ctrl+c |
| 03:57.51 | sho-do | Roy_: total downloading size ??? |
| 03:57.54 | aussa | somiaj, I tried to modify it, but I don't know if I deleted what wasn't supposed to be, but X failed to start then... |
| 03:58.16 | somiaj | aussa: /msg dpkg dkms -- it says to use a blank xorg.conf file but tells you the three lines you need to put in a subfile in /etc/xorg.conf.d/ that should work |
| 03:58.24 | Roy_ | Oh well, screw this, I force shut it down while installing, I'll reinstall tomorrow I'm going to sleep for now. |
| 03:58.39 | somiaj | Roy_: at that point in the install you have installed the base system |
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| 04:00.14 | aussa | somiaj, I've tried that |
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| 04:03.15 | wols | aussa: set BIOS to "discrete" videocard if you want to use nvidia, use "integrated" otherwise |
| 04:03.17 | somiaj | aussa: Well you can remove the intel screen from the generated config file. I would read though your logs and your automically generated config file and fix it. |
| 04:03.28 | wols | aussa: which intel video chip is it? |
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| 04:04.20 | aussa | somiaj, I will show it to you |
| 04:04.27 | wols | if you don't do this, chances are you cannot use the nvidia chip, at all (or you need to upgrade to a testing kernel and write several scripts on your own, provided it can even switch normally) |
| 04:04.30 | aussa | wols, I don't know.... lspci? |
| 04:04.41 | wols | yes, lspci shows both |
| 04:05.23 | aussa | wols, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 18) |
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| 04:05.38 | wols | for power saving reasons I strongly suggest a backported kernel anyways so you have a bigger chance of being able to disable the unused videochip, thus saving power |
| 04:05.51 | wols | lspci -nn |
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| 04:06.21 | aussa | wols, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 18) |
| 04:06.50 | aussa | wols, well, I downloaded nvidia-graphics-drivers source and built it, as you told me |
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| 04:08.08 | wols | sure but that doesn't mean it can just run. optimus is implemented very crappily in most laptops |
| 04:08.17 | wols | ,pciid 8086:0046 |
| 04:08.19 | judd | [8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046 |
| 04:08.38 | wols | ah, nehalem |
| 04:09.00 | wols | aussa: have you used "discrete" in BIOS? |
| 04:09.32 | aussa | no |
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| 04:10.22 | aussa | wols, no |
| 04:10.38 | wols | then I suggest you do if you want to use nvidia |
| 04:10.58 | aussa | ok, I will try that |
| 04:10.59 | aussa | brb |
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| 04:12.26 | rypervenche | How can I start up my Debian Testing box into the command line only? But I'd also like a way to start X and have it function normally as though I started it normally. |
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| 04:13.45 | somiaj | rypervenche: you do not have to use a display manager (it is what boots X at startup) |
| 04:13.52 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 04:13.52 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 04:14.31 | dracmas | I have xfce installed, any way to change the theme through the terminal? I tried asking through #xfce channel and its been hours with no response given. |
| 04:14.31 | somiaj | rypervenche: so you can just disable the dm. Then if you want it you can eitehr start the dm or just run 'startx' the times you want to boot into x. |
| 04:16.01 | rypervenche | somiaj: I have tried that, but the problem is when I do that and plug in external drives, they don't mount properly. |
| 04:16.17 | somiaj | rypervenche: do you mean they don't mount automically? |
| 04:16.36 | rypervenche | I believe so. It's been a while since I've tried it. |
| 04:16.38 | somiaj | rypervenche: this might be because the automounter is running as part of your desktop enviorment. You can mount them manually just fine I would imangine. |
| 04:16.55 | wols | !automount |
| 04:16.56 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 04:18.34 | rypervenche | Hmm, what else might I lose if I get rid of GDM as far as functionality goes?? I'm on Xfce4 as well. |
| 04:18.47 | rypervenche | ^? |
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| 04:21.21 | somiaj | The 'switch users' or 'another graphical logon' feature of gnome requires GDM, but you can easily start another xserver and switch consoles manually. So you don't loose the functionality, you just loose the menu entry doing it for you. |
| 04:22.03 | dracmas | I use slim as my login manager. Works nicely for me. |
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| 04:26.22 | rypervenche | Now I remember why I didn't do it. I can't shutdown by pressing ctrl+alt+del or the power button |
| 04:26.46 | rypervenche | Options are grayed out :/ |
| 04:28.31 | dracmas | you could do it manually through the terminal to shutdown/poweroff or make a keycombo to do it. Or make a shortcut on the desktop/panel that does that. |
| 04:28.57 | f00li5h | can anyone tell me how i'd go about stopping shorewall from relaying dhcp? |
| 04:28.59 | hycer | I was using mirrors.kernel.org lenny main but is no longer working, where can I find and alt repo? |
| 04:29.12 | somiaj | hycer: check debian.org for the list of mirrors |
| 04:29.16 | somiaj | hycer: change your sources.list |
| 04:29.40 | somiaj | hycer: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 04:30.12 | hycer | somiaj, thank you |
| 04:32.44 | aussa | somiaj, what should I modify in this? |
| 04:32.50 | aussa | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/129503/ |
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| 04:34.33 | somiaj | modify the ServerLayout to only include 1 screen. Comment out the Screen 1 line. |
| 04:34.59 | somiaj | again parse though your xorg log file |
| 04:35.41 | aussa | somiaj, how do I comment with "#" or "//" ? |
| 04:35.55 | somiaj | with a # |
| 04:36.42 | aussa | brb |
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| 04:39.53 | aussa | somiaj: failed, I'm am on tty1 now |
| 04:40.19 | somiaj | aussa: parse your xorg logs and figure it out. /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 04:45.05 | aussa | somiaj: what am I looking for? |
| 04:45.30 | somiaj | errors |
| 04:45.32 | somiaj | warnings |
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| 04:47.38 | aussa | warning: Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0 ? |
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| 04:48.45 | aussa | somiaj: warning: The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11cyrillic does not exist ? |
| 04:48.49 | aussa | somiaj: warning: Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0 ? |
| 04:49.37 | aussa | somiaj: and an error about the touchpad, nothing important |
| 04:50.14 | aussa | brb |
| 04:50.41 | somiaj | no error saying why you have 'no screens found'? you can put teh whole output of the log on a pastebin |
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| 04:57.20 | bendbanks | hi, clean debian install squeeze getting ready to turn into mail server for boss, it's on the network and can ping everything but can not get outside the local network have tried it on both local gateways and still nothing |
| 04:57.38 | bendbanks | any thoughts would be great |
| 04:58.30 | p_quarles | bendbanks: you mean it can't ping outside the network or it can ping but nothing more? |
| 04:58.49 | bendbanks | can not ping outside the local network |
| 04:59.07 | bendbanks | ping: unknown host www.gogole.com.au |
| 04:59.09 | bendbanks | is the error |
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| 04:59.20 | p_quarles | bendbanks: have you tried traceroute to see where it's getting stuck? |
| 04:59.44 | dondelelcaro | bendbanks: that actually is the error you get when you can't resolve names, and surely you mean www.google.com.au |
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| 05:00.28 | p_quarles | the url you gave doesn't resolve for me either :D |
| 05:00.28 | dondelelcaro | bendbanks: you'd be better off trying something like ping 150.203.164.37; or similar |
| 05:00.32 | bendbanks | correct miss type in here my bad |
| 05:00.39 | bendbanks | should have been google |
| 05:01.06 | p_quarles | but yes, you can see if it's not getting DNS by trying to ping google's numeric address |
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| 05:02.13 | p_quarles | if it still doesn't reach, traceroute the address to see where it's failing; if it's at the gateway, there may be some setup required there |
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| 05:07.59 | bendbanks | traceroute failed big time, I get the feeling it's not pulling a DNS record for some reason, the pfsense router shouldn't be effecting it as all traffic is cleared to go out |
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| 05:09.03 | p_quarles | bendbanks: what about the first thing? are you able to ping a numeric address on the internet? |
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| 05:12.43 | aussa | wols: I couldn't find that option on the BIOS |
| 05:13.27 | aussa | somiaj: I got to X with that xorg.conf, but when I check monitors I have two of them... |
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| 05:15.08 | somiaj | bendbanks: /etc/resolv.conf should contain the location of your nameservers |
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| 05:15.52 | insight | any help on installing pecl? |
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| 05:16.21 | somiaj | insight: apt-cache search pecl (is there a debian package for it)? |
| 05:16.30 | insight | php5-pear, my mistake |
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| 05:16.45 | somiaj | package appears to be named php-pear |
| 05:17.03 | insight | somiaj, I actually did apt-cache search php5 | less at first. Thanks. |
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| 05:17.14 | insight | I guess in the mix of things, that spaced me. |
| 05:17.16 | somiaj | apt-cache search pecl actually returned that for me |
| 05:17.27 | insight | I guess in the mix of things, that spaced me. |
| 05:17.46 | insight | Now I know what pear is! |
| 05:17.50 | aussa | what is alt+ctrl+f8 ? |
| 05:18.05 | insight | usually to switch virtual terminals |
| 05:18.09 | insight | push it! |
| 05:18.15 | aussa | hahaha |
| 05:18.54 | somiaj | by default there is no VT on f8 (unless you launch a secondary xserver) |
| 05:19.04 | somiaj | or make more vt's |
| 05:19.37 | aussa | somiaj: ok, I have one now.... |
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| 05:26.53 | somiaj | aussa: hope you get it working. (: |
| 05:28.47 | aussa | somiaj: ahahah ty |
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| 05:36.41 | bolt | how can I enable "tap-to-click" on my asus eee? |
| 05:38.02 | rypervenche | I'm running Debian Testing and Xfce4.8. Normally I use GDM, but I want to use either Slim or no DM at all. Unfortunately when I use either method when I press ctrl+alt+del my shutdown and restart buttons are gray, and also when I plug in a USB drive, it does not let me let me open it. It says I'm not authorized. Any help with this? |
| 05:38.22 | zykotick9_ | bolt, <assuming gnome> System / Peferences / Mouse / <not sure name> Touchpad tab / you should then see a checkbox to enable tap clicking |
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| 05:45.33 | bolt | zykotick9_: i don't run anything of the sort. i run xorg with awesome wm |
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| 05:45.49 | bolt | should have mentioned that, sorry :( |
| 05:46.00 | bolt | need a console solution |
| 05:47.15 | zykotick9_ | bolt, i'd guess you'll need some xorg.conf solution then, sorry can't help there - good luck. |
| 05:47.41 | bambanx | how i can install thunderbird? |
| 05:47.42 | dondelelcaro | bolt: do you know what type of touchpad that is? |
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| 05:47.59 | dondelelcaro | bambanx: aptitude install icedove; |
| 05:48.04 | zykotick9_ | bambanx, icedove in debian ;) |
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| 05:48.35 | bambanx | rgr |
| 05:48.38 | bambanx | is the same? |
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| 05:48.52 | dondelelcaro | bambanx: pretty much |
| 05:48.58 | bambanx | ok |
| 05:49.03 | dondelelcaro | bambanx: the main difference is the name and the icon |
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| 05:49.05 | bambanx | thanks |
| 05:49.19 | amphi | bolt: you can probably do it with xinput |
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| 05:50.07 | neoice | can anyone here recommend an MTA that's simple to configure and doesnt run a dozen binaries (ala postfix) ? |
| 05:50.21 | neoice | it doesnt need to accept mail but it does have to be able to send mail as user@host |
| 05:50.27 | dondelelcaro | neoice: nullmailer |
| 05:50.31 | amphi | bolt: 'xinput list' for the list of devices, and then 'xinput list-props $DEVICE_ID' will show you the properties you can set |
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| 05:50.52 | dondelelcaro | bolt: alternatively, if it's a synaptics touchpad, you can modulate things with synclient |
| 05:50.54 | neoice | dondelelcaro: I thought that required a forwarding relay of some sort. |
| 05:51.01 | dondelelcaro | neoice: yes |
| 05:51.59 | dondelelcaro | if you actually want to handle really sending mail, then you kind of need a full blown MTA like postfix |
| 05:52.27 | somiaj | exim4 is the default on debian, though i prefer postfix myself |
| 05:52.33 | neoice | I really like postfix, but writing MAC policy for it is such a headache because every single binary needs a security policy |
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| 05:54.05 | wols | does exim4 have as many different binaries? |
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| 05:54.56 | dondelelcaro | neoice: I think someone already wrote a selinux policy for postfix, so you should be able to just use that |
| 05:55.08 | neoice | not if I'm using grsecurity |
| 05:55.33 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 05:56.02 | neoice | wols: not even close, take a look at the package contents. postfix puts about a dozen things in /usr/lib and a dozen things in /usr/sbin, many of which are run as part of standard operation |
| 05:56.29 | neoice | exim4-daemon-light is about 16 files total, half of which are in /usr/share. |
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| 06:05.01 | foooooooo | why isn't iwconfig ap working for me? :| |
| 06:05.18 | foooooooo | I put in "iwconfig ap <address from iwlist scanning>" but I'm still "not-associated" |
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| 06:06.21 | amphi | foooooooo: it should be enough to set the essid, and mode to 'managed' |
| 06:06.34 | amphi | and perhaps the channel |
| 06:06.39 | foooooooo | amphi: yea, that's what I thought. but that's not working |
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| 06:06.55 | foooooooo | iwconfig wlan0 essid wireless ; dhclient wlan0 .. never return |
| 06:06.59 | foooooooo | returns* |
| 06:07.53 | somiaj | foooooooo: you don't need a wireless key of some sort (perfabally wpa2) for this network? |
| 06:08.05 | foooooooo | my wireless is open |
| 06:08.42 | amphi | channel is ok? |
| 06:09.25 | foooooooo | iwconfig doesn't show a channel |
| 06:10.22 | somiaj | foooooooo: iwconfig wlan0 up (bring up the device) then iwlist wlan0 scan -- do you see your wireless? |
| 06:10.38 | foooooooo | unknown command up |
| 06:10.52 | foooooooo | Yes, my router is in scan |
| 06:11.20 | somiaj | foooooooo: sorry ifconfig wlan0 up (you have to bring it up before it can scan) -- ok just checking |
| 06:11.51 | somiaj | foooooooo: I had a similar issue with my wireless (its a crappy driver I'm thinking on my end) but with open networks I always had better luck getting a dhcp response by using a network manager (wicd in my case) than doing it manually |
| 06:12.01 | foooooooo | it works with GUI interface to set stuff |
| 06:12.07 | foooooooo | but I've wiped out GUI things trying to fix an issue |
| 06:12.12 | foooooooo | so I need to set it from command line |
| 06:12.13 | somiaj | foooooooo: I never could figure out what the difference was -- I eventally credited it to crappy wireless driver + my office was in a terrible wifi deadzone |
| 06:12.40 | foooooooo | god dammit this is pissing me off |
| 06:12.47 | foooooooo | and I dont' want to walk across the street for a cable :| |
| 06:12.49 | gnarface | damnit we lost Roy_ huh? |
| 06:12.54 | somiaj | you can control wicd from the command line foooooooo |
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| 06:13.06 | foooooooo | wicd? |
| 06:13.07 | somiaj | so you can use the manager without having to be in X |
| 06:13.17 | somiaj | its an alternative to network-manager but does the same thing |
| 06:13.19 | ||__\\\ | wicd-curses? |
| 06:13.23 | somiaj | (well similar thing) |
| 06:13.29 | gnarface | blames himself |
| 06:13.30 | somiaj | ||__\\\: correct, there is also wicd-cl |
| 06:13.30 | foooooooo | not installed :| |
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| 06:13.58 | foooooooo | any other bright ideas? :| |
| 06:14.29 | gnarface | foooooooo: uninstall it and edit your network config by hand like a real man? |
| 06:14.51 | foooooooo | gnarface: ... I have done that, it also doesn't work. |
| 06:15.05 | gnarface | foooooooo: chances are only because you didn't completely uninstall it |
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| 06:15.09 | somiaj | foooooooo: may I ask what wireless card / driver? |
| 06:15.14 | amphi | foooooooo: iwconfig shows the frequency rather than channel |
| 06:15.59 | amphi | foooooooo: 'iwlist <iface> channel' gives a list of channels & frequencies |
| 06:16.00 | gnarface | foooooooo: i mean just edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand and restart your networking. (/etc/init.d/networking stop && /etc/init.d/networking start) |
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| 06:16.35 | foooooooo | gnarface: I know what you mean, and I've done that, and it doesn't work |
| 06:16.53 | gnarface | foooooooo: then something *else* is wrong |
| 06:16.59 | somiaj | gnarface: issue is that for some reason he isn't getting a dhcp request back from his wireless AP despite having the correct essid -- I have the exact same issue on my laptop annoying to have to use a network manager just to get the dhcp request. |
| 06:17.25 | amphi | there's no point running dhcp if it's not associated |
| 06:17.29 | somiaj | funny thing is in one of my offices it works just fine, in another it doens't work at all. |
| 06:17.34 | foooooooo | yea, it doesn't associate |
| 06:17.36 | somiaj | so I know its not a setting issue. |
| 06:17.38 | foooooooo | WHY !! |
| 06:17.41 | foooooooo | DAMMIT WHY |
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| 06:17.49 | maxd | offtopic question: does laptop need to have cardbus boot option in bios in order to support network boot? or just putting pxe cardbus nic will do the trick on it's own |
| 06:17.51 | gnarface | somiaj: can this be verified with tcpdump? because i'd be willing to bet he IS *getting* the dhcp response back from the server, its just shitty networkmanager or something else interfering with it |
| 06:18.22 | amphi | not if he's not associated, he won't |
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| 06:19.19 | foooooooo | have to associate before anything can happen |
| 06:19.20 | gnarface | foooooooo: we need to eliminate variables here and i just joined the conversation, so sorry, catch me up: what is your wifi device make & model# and does it work if you dial in the ip manually? |
| 06:19.22 | foooooooo | not associated |
| 06:19.25 | foooooooo | HOW DO I ASSOCIATE |
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| 06:19.37 | foooooooo | intel pro something something |
| 06:19.37 | somiaj | gnarface: in my case what I found even more confusing is once I ran wicd to get the initial dhcp response, I coudl then bring the interface completely down, turn off wicd and then 'ifup wlan0=alais' would work just fine |
| 06:19.39 | foooooooo | 3945 is the driver |
| 06:20.03 | somiaj | gnarface: while it would fail every single time before I let wicd get the inital response. again I think my issue is crappy wireless driver |
| 06:20.12 | cooldude | hey guys, can someone help me fix the following: |
| 06:20.13 | cooldude | root@mycooldude:~# /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 06:20.13 | cooldude | Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed! |
| 06:20.19 | gnarface | somiaj: this type of thing can be caused by having multiple dhcp servers erronously broadcasting to the same clients - with some sort of race condition some of them may work while others don't |
| 06:21.03 | gnarface | cooldude: there's really good bind9 docs on their official site. what you're seeing is almost always a configuration syntax error |
| 06:21.08 | somiaj | gnarface: yea it was only an issue with a very large (multiple AP) university network. Luckly they activated a cat5 port in my office so I don't have to deal with it anymore. |
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| 06:21.36 | gnarface | cooldude: the first place i'd look for a relevant error is in /var/log/daemon.log (but you might have to be tailing it while you attempt to start bind9) |
| 06:21.38 | foooooooo | so... any other ideas for associating? |
| 06:21.43 | cooldude | gnarface, k |
| 06:21.45 | amphi | foooooooo: anything of interest in the log when you modprobe the driver for the wireless card? |
| 06:21.58 | foooooooo | I doubt it, but I'll look |
| 06:22.43 | somiaj | gnarface: but didn't realize that could have been an issue, makes the voodoo I was experiencing seem a bit more plausable. (: |
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| 06:23.50 | foooooooo | something about error setting power something something |
| 06:23.55 | foooooooo | nothign else looks interesting |
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| 06:24.07 | foooooooo | oh what the fuck |
| 06:24.09 | foooooooo | bullshit |
| 06:24.14 | foooooooo | now it's working?!?? |
| 06:24.17 | cooldude | gnarface, this is what i am getting |
| 06:24.17 | cooldude | http://pastebin.com/dmFKemjW |
| 06:24.34 | foooooooo | does networkmanager do any rmmod / modprobe stuff ? because... yea. it's working now. idk why or how |
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| 06:25.07 | amphi | foooooooo: I very much doubt it |
| 06:25.16 | foooooooo | I hate computers. |
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| 06:25.49 | gnarface | cooldude: ok so line 7 tells you everything you need to know. let me tell you a bit about standard error log conventions |
| 06:25.52 | amphi | foooooooo: perhaps the firmware got its knickers in a twist |
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| 06:26.09 | amphi | it used to happen quite a lot with my ipw2200 at one stage |
| 06:26.24 | cooldude | i have a named.conf.local on the server gnarface |
| 06:26.44 | gnarface | cooldude: where it says: /etc/bind/named.conf:11: it is assuming you know that it means line 11 of the file /etc/bind/named.conf ... the rest of the error tells you what is wrong with that line. |
| 06:27.22 | gnarface | cooldude: and what it is saying from there is pretty self-explanatory: "open: /etc/bind/named.conf.default-zones: file not found" how good is your english? can you see what it says here or do you need more explanation? |
| 06:27.37 | cooldude | hmm |
| 06:27.40 | cooldude | let me see here |
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| 06:28.56 | gnarface | cooldude: in case you are not very good with english, it is telling you that it needs named.conf.default-zones. possibly this file is missing, possibly you have it but it is named something else. i would look at the syntax of line 11 of /etc/bind/named.conf first and then decide whether to change /etc/bind/named.conf to point to a new file, or add the file /etc/bind/named.conf.default-zones |
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| 06:29.18 | gnarface | cooldude: do you understand? |
| 06:29.22 | cooldude | yes |
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| 06:30.56 | cooldude | there we go |
| 06:31.00 | cooldude | i got it started |
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| 06:32.04 | gnarface | cooldude: http://www.isc.org has very thorough bind9 documentation but it is not very friendly (nor is their site) oreilly has an *excellent* dns&bind book but it may seem silly to spend 50$ on a book to lean to use a piece of free software |
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| 06:34.41 | f00li5h | i'm confused, how is aptitude being helpful by suggessting that *not* installing the package I request is a viable solution? |
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| 06:35.25 | somiaj | f00li5h: because the packages are not required for your package to run, they are only suggestions you can install if you want, some don't want them |
| 06:35.35 | f00li5h | no. |
| 06:35.48 | gnarface | foooooooo: fyi, here is my advice to you after 14 years of working with various linux distributions and 12 years of working *only* with linux distributions: the text files are your friends. they are simple, reliable and representative. crappy gui things like networkmanager are written by and for people who couldn't even understand the text files. you should not find it surprising that they are less reliable. in the not-so-very |
| 06:35.48 | gnarface | -long-run you will quickly find it is quicker to read the manual for a text file than to spend hours beating your head against a broken buggy gui frontend written by someone who *also* didn't read the manual |
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| 06:36.22 | gnarface | foooooooo: additionally, every *single* time i've tried to use networkmanager it has failed me utterly |
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| 06:36.39 | somiaj | f00li5h: a package has 'depends', 'recomends' and 'suggests', they are three catagories. The depends must be installed for your package to work, the recomends and suggested are optional packages. You can configure aptitutde to either automically install or not automatically install either of the other two catagories |
| 06:36.52 | f00li5h | somiaj: apt-get install request-tracker4 -> Keep the following packages at their current version: request-tracker4 [Not Installed] |
| 06:36.53 | somiaj | f00li5h: by default recomends are installed automacially while suggested packages are left to the user. |
| 06:37.18 | somiaj | f00li5h: give us the output of 'apt-cache policy request-tracker4' |
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| 06:37.53 | f00li5h | dpkg: pastebin |
| 06:37.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 06:38.30 | f00li5h | http://paste.debian.net/129515/ |
| 06:39.21 | somiaj | f00li5h: by default to keep backport versions from being upgraded automically backports are pinned very low. you need to add a -t squeeze-backports to your install line |
| 06:39.54 | urlin2u | looking for a semantic file launcher other then synapse. |
| 06:39.58 | f00li5h | it does the same thing with -t squeeze-backports |
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| 06:41.52 | somiaj | f00li5h: did you give us teh full output (errors) of that line? |
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| 06:42.03 | simonlnu | f00li5h: probably a dep that's not going to be installed, so prevents installation |
| 06:42.41 | somiaj | f00li5h: does aptitude have a better effect (sometimes its a bit more intelligence than apt-get at times) |
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| 06:43.17 | f00li5h | it just asks me if a solution without request tracker installed is acceptable |
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| 06:43.46 | simonlnu | so add it to the request; hint: use ? ;) |
| 06:44.03 | f00li5h | http://paste.debian.net/129517/ |
| 06:44.04 | simonlnu | i think it goes something like: +foo |
| 06:44.09 | f00li5h | what? |
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| 06:44.27 | simonlnu | (consult the help) |
| 06:44.34 | f00li5h | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.51 | f00li5h | perhpas if i type some of the command in caps, and include the word "fucking"? |
| 06:45.00 | somiaj | f00li5h: you have some errors you have to clean up before you try to put in new stuff |
| 06:45.08 | simonlnu | f00li5h: hehe |
| 06:45.18 | f00li5h | simonlnu: what do you mean? |
| 06:46.06 | f00li5h | they are there because i accepted the stupid solution it just gave me |
| 06:46.43 | simonlnu | well, it'll try to resolve, right? you then get a TUI with some letters and ? in []. you can force it by doing +foopackage at the prompt (i think). i usually just use the aptitude ncurses ui |
| 06:47.03 | f00li5h | what? |
| 06:47.05 | somiaj | f00li5h: what does apt-get -f install -- that try to fix things for you. I would fix your broken packages before finding a solution to this. Then notice all those 'Depends:' error, you may have to track yourself though them until you have all the right depends installed to get this new package. |
| 06:47.14 | f00li5h | so i say +fucking-request-tracker-four-you-bastard? |
| 06:47.23 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 06:47.36 | f00li5h | somiaj: the apt-get -f install, it does nothing. |
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| 06:47.57 | f00li5h | christ. |
| 06:49.10 | somiaj | well there is some depends conflict in this backport with its 150ish new packages it want to install, you are most likely going to have to go though them one at a time until you get it all fixed |
| 06:49.54 | f00li5h | so |
| 06:49.58 | f00li5h | how do i fix them? |
| 06:50.04 | simonlnu | `aptitude'; press /; type in request-tracker hit enter; press + on whatever you want; press n for next result |
| 06:50.05 | f00li5h | surely those packages are in backports too? |
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| 06:50.17 | simonlnu | they should be |
| 06:50.32 | f00li5h | then why the fuck can't aptitude decide to install them? |
| 06:50.44 | f00li5h | i mean, what's the point of it being "smarter at resolving depends" If it... well, doesn't? |
| 06:51.10 | simonlnu | pinning will play a part in that |
| 06:51.13 | f00li5h | I have to say that having a messed up xen console on this machine is not making me more cheerful about running curses |
| 06:51.22 | ||__\\\ | f00li5h: how many suggestions does it give? |
| 06:51.24 | f00li5h | simonlnu: how do i make "pinning" useful? |
| 06:51.24 | somiaj | f00li5h: you are using an unoffical package. Though the backports are tried to fit with squeeze they don't undergo the full testing that the offical distribution packages do which these cases rare appear |
| 06:51.34 | f00li5h | ||__\\\: i have pasted the output. |
| 06:51.39 | ||__\\\ | oh, sorry |
| 06:51.53 | simonlnu | f00li5h: well, do you have anything in /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 06:52.04 | f00li5h | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 06:52.11 | f00li5h | i did what the docs say. |
| 06:52.15 | f00li5h | now my shit is on fire. |
| 06:52.22 | simonlnu | they should get more than they used to, it's now run by debian |
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| 06:52.39 | f00li5h | pardon? |
| 06:52.40 | ||__\\\ | f00li5h: is this stable and backports? |
| 06:52.47 | f00li5h | umm. |
| 06:52.48 | simonlnu | (as you can see by the url above, it's a d.o host) |
| 06:53.14 | bolt | dondelelcaro: sorry, had to run and catch a train :) |
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| 06:53.20 | f00li5h | ||__\\\: it's lenny and lenny-backports |
| 06:53.39 | f00li5h | hmm. |
| 06:53.40 | ||__\\\ | but, at Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?], if you press 'n' it will give you a new suggestion about what packages to install and not |
| 06:53.46 | somiaj | f00li5h: that is your problem |
| 06:53.49 | bolt | dondelelcaro: it's a synaptics, yes. and doing "synclient TapButton1=1" enabled tapping to be left mouse. is there a way i can set this in xorg.conf though |
| 06:53.53 | f00li5h | ha-what? |
| 06:53.53 | somiaj | f00li5h: you are installing a squeeze backport on lenny |
| 06:53.58 | simonlnu | oh wtf |
| 06:54.02 | f00li5h | hrm. |
| 06:54.07 | simonlnu | that won't work... |
| 06:54.14 | f00li5h | i ... see. |
| 06:54.17 | somiaj | f00li5h: look at http://paste.debian.net/129515/ (that package you are requestion is from squeeze-backports) |
| 06:54.27 | f00li5h | and that's bad then? |
| 06:54.41 | f00li5h | let me ask my base question then |
| 06:54.50 | f00li5h | how do i get request tracker 4 installed on lenny? |
| 06:54.56 | bolt | dondelelcaro: oh. nvm. google answered that one. thanks for the tip about synclient :) |
| 06:55.00 | somiaj | yes it is bad to try to install packages based on the sqeeuze-backports in lenny |
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| 06:55.10 | ||__\\\ | oh :o |
| 06:55.12 | ||__\\\ | yeah |
| 06:55.15 | somiaj | f00li5h: if there isn't a backport made for it, you may have to make your own. |
| 06:55.33 | f00li5h | there are no words to express my disgust. |
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| 06:56.10 | f00li5h | how about 3.8 then? |
| 06:56.11 | somiaj | f00li5h: lenny is fairly old, it might not be possible what is wrong with request-tracker3.8? |
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| 06:56.47 | f00li5h | 4 is newer, and according to jessy, a whole butttonne sweeter |
| 06:56.47 | somiaj | or if 3.6 is fine, that is in lenny proper and you don't have to use backports |
| 06:57.01 | f00li5h | i have been running 3.6 for like 5 years |
| 06:57.16 | somiaj | well then get a newer os to run it on. you should be thinking to upgrading to squeeze soon anyways as lenny is goign to loose security updates |
| 06:57.25 | f00li5h | i figure i might as well get a .2 bump for all the time i'm dumping into this crap |
| 06:57.40 | f00li5h | so, squeeze then? |
| 06:57.48 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: so backport rt4 or upgrade to squeeze and run rt4 which already has a backport |
| 06:58.01 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: his problem is he is on lenny |
| 06:58.10 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: trying to install a squeeze backport. |
| 06:58.27 | dondelelcaro | well, that won't work |
| 06:58.29 | f00li5h | his problem is that he followed a xen tutorial that had --dist lenny |
| 06:58.40 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 06:59.16 | urlin2u | looking for a semantic file launcher other then synapse. |
| 06:59.19 | f00li5h | so is there a reasonable way to get this machine to update? |
| 06:59.28 | f00li5h | urlin2u: just use synapse. |
| 06:59.40 | f00li5h | or specify your problem |
| 06:59.42 | somiaj | !tell f00li5h about lenny->squeeze |
| 06:59.55 | f00li5h | that sounds painful |
| 07:00.00 | somiaj | f00li5h: note there are a few things to be weary off in the upgrade, so backup first. |
| 07:00.00 | urlin2u | f00li5h, is there a repo or it's a compile from the tar? |
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| 07:00.22 | f00li5h | right, and we're scrapping the vm |
| 07:00.53 | f00li5h | i just wish this bullshit would surface more often than daily, so i didn't have to scrap the vm every monring |
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| 07:01.52 | somiaj | have fun, its a learning experience. (: |
| 07:01.57 | f00li5h | somiaj: does "changing lenny to squeeze" mean i should replace the word "lenny" with "squeeze"? |
| 07:02.08 | somiaj | f00li5h: yes |
| 07:02.16 | f00li5h | ENGLISH DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. GOODNIGHT. |
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| 07:03.00 | f00li5h | i presume i can't correct that... |
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| 07:06.52 | nezZario | can someone please explain to me why lvm is missing from my system? |
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| 07:07.59 | somiaj | nezZario: why do you think it should be on your system? |
| 07:09.04 | nezZario | I don't know, I thought it was a pretty standard thing on linux |
| 07:09.14 | somiaj | its standard but optional |
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| 07:09.22 | nezZario | And I can't find any instructions or information on installation |
| 07:09.41 | somiaj | unless you installed with an lvm setup it won't install it |
| 07:10.04 | nezZario | Which I find annoying...I'm trying to move away from NetBSD to Debian, .. But NetBSD has better docs regarding lvm than linux (debian) which is where it originated |
| 07:10.06 | somiaj | nezZario: apt-cache search lvm -- found the package lvm2 - Linux Logical Volume Manager -- apt-cache show lvm2 -- for more info |
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| 07:10.42 | nezZario | Weird |
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| 07:10.51 | nezZario | Ok, Earlier I did that and it said lvm2 was already installed |
| 07:11.18 | nezZario | but it "installed" it so I guess it works right? |
| 07:11.26 | nezZario | I'm about to attempt a Debian xen dom0 |
| 07:11.34 | nezZario | Which /may/ replace my NetBSD dom0's in the future |
| 07:11.45 | nezZario | it looks pretty easy tbh, vs. the 30 pages of install notes I have for NetBSD |
| 07:12.01 | f00li5h | hahah |
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| 07:12.08 | f00li5h | make sure you use --dist squeeze |
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| 07:12.44 | jhujhiti | huh -- i had no idea lvm came from netbsd |
| 07:12.48 | nezZario | f00li5h well it's pretty easy on NetBSD, but except I have to make it more complicated by using LVM (as said) and some other features that aren't in netbsd's stable branch yet |
| 07:12.57 | nezZario | so, then it gets a little more complicated |
| 07:12.59 | somiaj | nezZario: sure, but you have to configure it after its installed. You can sometimes find useful info on configuring a package in /usr/share/doc/<pkg name> |
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| 07:14.15 | f00li5h | I don't have lvm, although i hear I really should |
| 07:14.43 | nezZario | It doesn't make sense to put an OS on LVM unless you really, really know exactly why |
| 07:14.49 | mfridh | not if you want TRIm to work on your ssd |
| 07:14.54 | mfridh | grr |
| 07:15.06 | nezZario | imho -- but also imho LVM works out REALLY well for running virtual machines |
| 07:15.10 | mfridh | lvm almost always make sense |
| 07:15.36 | nezZario | I'm old school I guess, having an additional layer for the core OS just seems silly to me |
| 07:16.01 | mfridh | it can help you in many ways |
| 07:16.01 | nezZario | My host OS installs are usually 15GB installs which I've used the same partition layout (on NetBSD) for about 3 years |
| 07:16.07 | nezZario | they never change |
| 07:16.15 | nezZario | but, virtual machines do..hence the LVM |
| 07:18.05 | nezZario | man this datacenter is really freaking gay |
| 07:18.09 | nezZario | they made one giant / |
| 07:18.23 | f00li5h | did you tell them to do it a different way in the request? |
| 07:18.31 | jhujhiti | nezZario: sure sign of someone who's never had to fsck before |
| 07:18.37 | somiaj | nezZario: does http://wiki.debian.org/LVM help? |
| 07:19.17 | nezZario | they just set it up automatically...they didn't give me an option to ask.. |
| 07:19.29 | nezZario | they're about to reinstall it because I only need about 10gb for the OS anyway |
| 07:19.39 | nezZario | 10gb is an overkill, looks like i'm using less than 1GB right now.. |
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| 07:19.59 | f00li5h | so there you are. |
| 07:20.09 | f00li5h | if someone doesn't care, one / is fine. if they do, they can figure it out themselves |
| 07:20.25 | f00li5h | it's not like you're really going to ask someone for a partition table on the web page for an automatic provisioning site |
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| 07:20.44 | nezZario | f00li5h: I do it all the time for decent providers |
| 07:21.05 | nezZario | I made my "good" datacenter reinstall NetBSD 3 times for be because they didn't put them in the correct -order-. |
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| 07:21.18 | f00li5h | lemme guess, you're only trying these guys becuase they're ... half as expensive as your current vendor |
| 07:21.18 | nezZario | I pay them too much money |
| 07:21.36 | f00li5h | wow, look at that. |
| 07:21.38 | nezZario | No, we need geographical distribution and they're what my customer signed up with |
| 07:21.50 | nezZario | My other vendor only has a chicago DC |
| 07:22.12 | nezZario | we just got two servers.. one with hivelocity and one with this company .. hostirian |
| 07:22.27 | nezZario | hivelocity isn't bad .. not great .. but not bad .. hostirian is really irriiantating me though |
| 07:22.47 | jhujhiti | "if you want something done right, ..." |
| 07:23.13 | SerajewelKS | jhujhiti: ... don't ask a politician to do it |
| 07:23.26 | nezZario | and don't ask me to solder. |
| 07:23.33 | jhujhiti | SerajewelKS: i think that one starts "if you want something done," |
| 07:23.33 | nezZario | is about to throw this laptop out the window |
| 07:23.45 | nezZario | i'm soo tired of soldering chargers |
| 07:23.51 | SerajewelKS | jhujhiti: both work :) |
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| 07:25.44 | nezZario | random question, eh, anybody know of any software (script) that I can feed a list of IP addresses and it'll tell me the one with the least latency? |
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| 07:27.20 | windparadise | hello, pls using ftp, I can't upload files to my remote folde,r I am faced with access denied error |
| 07:27.23 | windparadise | what do I do? |
| 07:27.27 | nezZario | shakes his head |
| 07:27.40 | nezZario | i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:27.42 | Tropolis | Is it a bad sign to be getting 'group descriptors corrupted, bad superblock, etc' on a 1 week old 2tb hard drive? Or could it have something to do with partition layout etc? |
| 07:27.48 | nezZario | that means 32-bit right? |
| 07:27.56 | jhujhiti | nezZario: yep, welcome to 1999 |
| 07:28.02 | f00li5h | nezZario: I don't think it does. |
| 07:28.13 | f00li5h | really? |
| 07:28.17 | f00li5h | oh, amd64 ... |
| 07:28.25 | nezZario | yeah i'm 99% sure wnated that other 1% |
| 07:28.37 | jhujhiti | x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:28.37 | nezZario | noticed only 3 out of 4GB of memory is being registered. |
| 07:28.44 | Tropolis | I have 2 identical disks, one of which was partitioned a bunch (and contains the entire OS, w/ individual /home,/usr mounts etc). The other gives various errors when booting. Both were partitioned with debians installer. |
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| 07:29.49 | jhujhiti | Tropolis: probably. fsck it, check it with smart |
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| 07:31.28 | Tropolis | For some reason fsck (and fsck.ext4) give me "The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem" error. All websites I've read seem to indicate that the command(s) I'm using should work. |
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| 07:31.59 | jhujhiti | the mkfs should have created superblocks elsewhere on disk, but i don't know how to find them |
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| 07:32.51 | Tropolis | the drive is empty, should I try to re-partition/reformat it in ext3? Or is this ext2 error indicative of something else |
| 07:32.54 | somiaj | Tropolis: could it be a bad harddrive? |
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| 07:33.06 | Tropolis | That's what I'm wondering |
| 07:33.18 | somiaj | Tropolis: I'd try to get some tool to test the harddrive |
| 07:33.20 | jhujhiti | Tropolis: if you're going to blow it away anyway, run badblocks -w over it |
| 07:33.33 | jhujhiti | vendor's diagnostic utility is always nice too |
| 07:33.37 | nezZario | wait now, |
| 07:33.41 | nezZario | here's where my linux stuff gets screwy |
| 07:33.47 | somiaj | Tropolis: and yea if there is no data you want off of it, reparticitation and recreating the filesystems from nothign is just fine. |
| 07:33.50 | nezZario | in linux, .. I have to have a /boot partition first? |
| 07:33.56 | nezZario | or I can have / first with /boot under it? |
| 07:34.13 | somiaj | nezZario: its not a linux issue its a bios issue. |
| 07:34.22 | jhujhiti | nezZario: you need something that GRUB can read. i'm not sure if it can read LVM or not |
| 07:34.25 | windparadise | any answer? |
| 07:34.27 | nezZario | netbsd doesn't ned a /boot :P |
| 07:34.39 | nezZario | i'm not using lvm for the bootable OS |
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| 07:34.50 | somiaj | nezZario: old bios could only boot off the first part of the harddrive so making /boot at the start fixed this |
| 07:34.52 | jhujhiti | then no, you don't need a /boot |
| 07:35.01 | somiaj | nezZario: new computers dont' care...I woudln't even have a seperate boot partition, no real need anymore. |
| 07:35.09 | nezZario | ok, good deal |
| 07:35.12 | jhujhiti | somiaj: uh, no |
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| 07:35.42 | wintix | i'm trying to debug a weird isc-dhcp-server problem of a omapi failover primary-secondary setup. can you guys hint me in the right direction how to enable more verbosity to asses why the server enters from normal mode in recovery mode and will then gets stuck in recover-wait on both sides? |
| 07:36.20 | Tropolis | Is it worth running badblocks without -w first to see if it picks up any? or is it likely to take hours |
| 07:36.36 | nezZario | http://pastebin.com/U8E0QUzj <-- is that reasonable for debian? |
| 07:36.45 | jhujhiti | Tropolis: it'll take a LONG time. i like my other idea more. use the vendor utility. it'll still take forever, but you can trust it more |
| 07:36.54 | nezZario | excuse the xxNy devices |
| 07:37.11 | jhujhiti | yeesh why is /var so small |
| 07:37.28 | Tropolis | thanks. I'll try the vendor util first |
| 07:37.40 | nezZario | Because I don't put anything under there.. |
| 07:37.48 | somiaj | nezZario: packages are downloaded into /var before being installed, and that is where log files and various tings pool up. Its a bit small. |
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| 07:38.21 | nezZario | k, that's why i asked... that's how i setup my netbsd systems, but /var is never used (pkgsrc doesn'tw ork that way, it place stuff under /usr) |
| 07:38.22 | nezZario | so .. ok |
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| 07:39.24 | jhujhiti | nezZario: also, honestly, if it's a dom0, give your /home like 64 megs and /usr 4G |
| 07:39.48 | jhujhiti | and you could probably get away without any swap, if you're a little brave |
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| 07:40.29 | nezZario | true but i'm not trying to cut that many corner |
| 07:40.40 | nezZario | and jhujhiti it's habit I have /home/xen where I keep ISO's |
| 07:40.46 | somiaj | you can also use a file as swap if you don't want a seperate partition in that case |
| 07:40.49 | nezZario | which is why I keep a little space |
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| 07:41.54 | somiaj | nezZario: seems my desktop/laptop use about 300-400M of data before package space. |
| 07:42.00 | somiaj | nezZario: in /var |
| 07:42.11 | jhujhiti | don't swap in a file, ugh |
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| 07:43.21 | somiaj | nezZario: maybe don't need that much, but also seems a good amount of space is stored in /var/lib |
| 07:43.42 | nezZario | well yeah |
| 07:43.43 | jhujhiti | nezZario: 1G minimum for /var |
| 07:43.52 | nezZario | i was giong to make it 1G |
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| 07:44.12 | nezZario | I mean, I hate keep saying netbsd this and netbsd that -- but for e.x. this year old install of NetBSD I have .. 24MB of stuff in /var |
| 07:44.30 | nezZario | where as this 'play' debian install has 155mb and haven't done much with it ;) |
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| 07:45.27 | nezZario | so that's why i'm asking..thanks for the help so far.. |
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| 07:46.45 | f00li5h | why does xen-create-image not work right with fs ased virtul disks? |
| 07:46.53 | somiaj | nezZario: it was always teh little differences that ended any motivation for playing with other oses so I've just stuck with debian. (: |
| 07:47.36 | nezZario | f00li5h i'm afraid of your debian tools for xen |
| 07:47.46 | nezZario | i'm used to creating a .cfg file and xl/xm create something.cfg |
| 07:47.47 | jhujhiti | nezZario: totally optional |
| 07:47.57 | f00li5h | mine? |
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| 07:48.29 | jhujhiti | nezZario: xen-create-image is only nice because it will debootstrap the VM for you |
| 07:48.30 | nezZario | somiaj: I enjoy the diversity .. i actively use netbsd, freebsd, openbsd, centos and arch linux (don't care for the last one) on a daily basis |
| 07:48.35 | nezZario | and recently, debian |
| 07:48.44 | mosno | nezZario: doesn't netbsd store a ton of stuff in a secondary dir tree, eg. /usr/local or /usr/pkg/ |
| 07:48.50 | Johannes_WMDE | Hi, has anyone experience installing Debian Wheezy onto pre-existing cryptsetup/luks partitions? (re-installing because currently I have 32 bit system installed on a 64 bit laptop) For me, the debian installer fails to recognise the partitions. If I switch to a console, manually add the installer components for cryptsetup and load the dm and aes modules, I can set up the encrypted partitions using cryptsetup. At that point, partman shows the |
| 07:48.50 | Johannes_WMDE | m, but it does not show my unencrypted partitions. And I need to access at least the unencrypted boot partition to have a bootable system. |
| 07:48.54 | nezZario | /usr/pkg, yes |
| 07:49.01 | f00li5h | neat. |
| 07:49.08 | f00li5h | all that asside, why does it mess up the paths in the config? |
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| 07:49.22 | f00li5h | every time i create one i have to go fuck with the YOUR HARDDISK IS HERE directive in the .cfg |
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| 07:49.35 | nezZario | the vif line ? |
| 07:49.37 | mosno | nezZario: yeah... debian has all that in / |
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| 07:49.48 | f00li5h | disk = [ ... ] |
| 07:49.54 | mosno | nezZario: but i don't doubt that netbsd is smaller |
| 07:49.57 | nezZario | or not vif, vbd .. yeah .. disk .. |
| 07:50.06 | nezZario | i really don't know .. never even used xen-create-image |
| 07:50.13 | f00li5h | and then i have to ask the xen guys again |
| 07:50.14 | nezZario | like i said, i have .cfg files and i use xm/xl |
| 07:50.33 | nezZario | it's simple: either file:/path/to/some.disk.img or phy:/path/to/block/device |
| 07:50.35 | mosno | nezZario: i tried netbsd 5.2 and it failed on 3/4 of my machines |
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| 07:51.00 | nezZario | mosno: trying to install on a dreamcast? ;) |
| 07:51.10 | nezZario | never had much issue with it, minus bleeding edge stuff |
| 07:51.21 | nezZario | which constantly has issues but it is to be expected |
| 07:51.47 | nezZario | then again, i'm ashamed to say, but since I'm here -- |
| 07:51.58 | mosno | nezZario: hehe. nah it was a couple of virtual machines (vbox, ms virtual pc) and a couple of real machines (intel i5, pentium m) |
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| 07:52.05 | mosno | i think it was pentium m... can't remember |
| 07:52.11 | nezZario | I've always been a hardcore FreeBSD fan because of the ports system |
| 07:52.14 | f00li5h | nezZario: 'file:/home/xen/domains/intranick/disk.img,xvda2,w', |
| 07:52.27 | mosno | nezZario: yeah it's nice having a stable base and new apps |
| 07:52.39 | nezZario | I like NetBSD because of the community (I know a few developers, etc) and pkgsrc is really nice too |
| 07:52.40 | mosno | nezZario: but i generally find linux a lot more useful |
| 07:52.55 | nezZario | but, a buddy of mine showed me aptitude and I essentially blew a load on myself |
| 07:53.07 | mosno | nezZario: pkgsrc apparently runs on linux so you could always build a /usr/local tree from it on debian :D |
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| 07:53.18 | nezZario | well, no, see, fuck pkgsrc ^ ;) |
| 07:53.22 | mosno | lol |
| 07:53.38 | jhujhiti | nezZario: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 07:53.48 | mosno | nezZario: also fun that netbsd allows you to manipulate directories like files |
| 07:53.58 | mosno | "fun" as in "undesirable" |
| 07:54.11 | nezZario | lol, it /can/ be |
| 07:54.16 | nezZario | that's just ufs stuff |
| 07:54.33 | nezZario | i seen the freebsd kernel thing as well, which is interesting, but i'll stick to the vanilla linus kernels for now |
| 07:54.34 | mosno | nezZario: and/or shell stuff |
| 07:54.49 | mosno | nezZario: why not debian kernels? |
| 07:55.03 | jhujhiti | that's what he means, i'm sure |
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| 07:55.58 | nezZario | uh, how do you people reference devices? |
| 07:56.02 | nezZario | looks like it's backwards |
| 07:56.16 | jhujhiti | nezZario: what? |
| 07:56.18 | nezZario | /dev/<driver><minor><major> ? |
| 07:56.23 | mosno | "you people?!?!?" ;) |
| 07:56.32 | jhujhiti | nezZario: linux doesn't use "driver" |
| 07:57.02 | nezZario | like in a normally partitioned drive, it would be sda1 sdb1 sdc1 for partitons inside a disk? |
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| 07:57.09 | nezZario | or sda1 sda2 sda3 ? |
| 07:57.10 | jhujhiti | nezZario: /dev/[type][number][something else] |
| 07:57.22 | jhujhiti | nezZario: sd is scsi disk |
| 07:58.04 | jhujhiti | you also have the option of using /sys nodes if you're insane |
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| 07:59.02 | jhujhiti | nezZario: or check out the /dev/disk hierarchy |
| 07:59.18 | somiaj | nezZario: /dev/sda is the full disk, /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 .. are the partitions |
| 07:59.27 | somiaj | nezZario: sda sdb sdc ... are different disks |
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| 08:02.07 | elzalem | hello guys, how can I use 4GBs of ram with a 32bit installation of debian 6 ? |
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| 08:03.03 | somiaj | elzalem: the -pae kernels, they have the support for more ram compiled in. |
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| 08:03.45 | somiaj | elzalem: looks like you have to get it from squeeze backports (its not in squeeze due to the older kernel) |
| 08:03.46 | Hydroxide | somiaj, elzalem: on 32-bit squeeze (debian 6), you want the -bigmem kernels. |
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| 08:03.52 | elzalem | somiaj: please explain more, I pass -pae in the booting sequence or install another kernel.... (noob here) |
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| 08:04.16 | Hydroxide | elzalem: try sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
| 08:04.21 | simonlnu | elzalem: the packages have -pae at the end of their name |
| 08:04.23 | somiaj | elzalem: listen to Hydroxide |
| 08:04.37 | elzalem | somiaj: lol ok thanks |
| 08:04.38 | somiaj | Hydroxide: did they change the name or what is the differnce between bigmem and pae (they look very similar) |
| 08:04.38 | Hydroxide | simonlnu: no, -bigmem for squeeze, -pae for squeeze-backports and newer |
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| 08:04.40 | elzalem | Hydroxide: thank you |
| 08:04.41 | Hydroxide | simonlnu: yes. |
| 08:04.46 | Hydroxide | err |
| 08:04.48 | Hydroxide | somiaj: yes |
| 08:04.48 | somiaj | ahh just a name change? |
| 08:04.59 | simonlnu | ah yes, forgot |
| 08:05.08 | Hydroxide | elzalem: and then make sure you boot into the bigmem system after rebooting - it's probably the default |
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| 08:05.47 | elzalem | Hydroxide: yeh i know how to do that :) thanks |
| 08:06.27 | nezZario | oh well |
| 08:06.35 | nezZario | i just made my colo install the 64 bit version anyway |
| 08:06.44 | nezZario | and setup my 8gb OS install ;) |
| 08:07.10 | ompaul | nezZario: which is a better way to get more out of your processor :) |
| 08:07.37 | Hydroxide | elzalem: it still won't let you use more than 4 GB at a time in any single process, and some of the 4 GB is for the kernel and similar things so you'll only have somewhere above 3 GB. but that's true for any OS in 32-bit mode |
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| 08:09.09 | elzalem | Hydroxide: of course that's due to having 32bits pointers. in all cases having a process using 4GBs of ram will kill the machine from swapping |
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| 08:11.41 | Hydroxide | elzalem: yup. |
| 08:15.20 | Zambezi | Have anyone here installed Google Earth and get the globe? For me it just black. I want to be able to analyze a gpx-file which is impossible now. |
| 08:15.56 | somiaj | Zambezi: how did you install google earth? |
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| 08:16.37 | somiaj | Zambezi: it could also be a video driver not configured for 3d |
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| 08:17.32 | Zambezi | somiaj: Prebuilt, then the built with make-googleearth-package. |
| 08:18.19 | Zambezi | somiaj: I could be video, but it's working in a virtual computer with XP. |
| 08:18.24 | somiaj | does 'glxinfo' say that you have glx enabled, and glxgears give you something. |
| 08:20.05 | Zambezi | somiaj: I have to install a packages first. |
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| 08:21.20 | somiaj | Zambezi: if its not a glx issue (i.e. glx or 3d apps work just fine) then I don't know why it would be appearing black |
| 08:21.42 | Zambezi | somiaj: You mean glxinfo|grep redering? |
| 08:22.40 | somiaj | Zambezi: or any info, but yes see if you have direct rendering enabled along with what glx extensions / driver / version. |
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| 08:25.10 | Zambezi | somiaj: 11477 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2295.271 FPS || direct rendering: Yes |
| 08:25.37 | somiaj | Zambezi: then I don't see what the issue could be. |
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| 08:26.52 | Zambezi | somiaj: I might have to use another application then. I just want to be able to se altitude, gain/loss, speed a certain points. |
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| 08:35.33 | ahmad_daoud | salam (hi) , i need a utility to defrag my ntfs partitions under linux |
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| 08:38.46 | ahmad_daoud | salam (hi) , i need a utility to defrag my ntfs partitions under linux |
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| 08:43.31 | jelly-home | ahmad_daoud: there is none, use tools for the native OS |
| 08:45.10 | ahmad_daoud | jelly-home: sure ??? |
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| 08:45.45 | jelly-home | as far as I know, yes |
| 08:46.27 | jelly-home | same thing with fsck for ntfs |
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| 08:47.02 | ahmad_daoud | jelly-home: thnx, bro |
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| 08:57.55 | anddam | hello |
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| 09:05.00 | no_gravity | Good morning from Germany! Strange, I have 2 exactly the same files on two boxes. But when I do this: "diff file.txt <(ssh box2 cat file.txt)" diff says the file on the remote box has an additional empty line at the beginning and at the end. Any ideas why? |
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| 09:06.53 | AL13N_work | does anyone know when the oldstable linux kernel security update will be available? there's an advisory, but no lenny version yet |
| 09:07.38 | AL13N_work | the problem is that there's 3 CVE's who are remotely exploitable |
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| 09:12.56 | jelly | no_gravity: try this: ssh box2 cat /dev/null |
| 09:13.25 | f00li5h | patches arrows theorm |
| 09:13.51 | no_gravity | jelly: ??? |
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| 09:14.33 | jelly | no_gravity: ssh's stdout should be empty, right? |
| 09:15.05 | no_gravity | jelly: i dont understand what you mean. you probably somehow misunderstood my question. |
| 09:15.50 | jelly | no_gravity: I'm suggesting that you investigate why ssh output is differing and how |
| 09:16.36 | jelly | no_gravity: /dev/null is always an empty file so it's going to be easy to notice differences |
| 09:16.49 | no_gravity | ah, ok now i know what you mean |
| 09:16.54 | no_gravity | let me try |
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| 09:18.49 | chegibari | Hello. I'm trying to update debian. What does this error mean? E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 09:18.53 | no_gravity | interesting. that outputs two newlines |
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| 09:19.35 | ansgar | no_gravity: Maybe you have a .bashrc or similar that does so? |
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| 09:19.51 | no_gravity | i only have a .profile. |
| 09:20.05 | no_gravity | but it only contains some aliases, a PS1=... and an "export LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8" linie. i would guess this doesnt output anything. |
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| 09:25.21 | adv_ | i currently have 3gb ram. i have a 32bit kernel and i want to upgrade to 6gb. what do i need to do in order for debian to "see" my new ram? |
| 09:25.59 | petern_ | ggrep pae /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:26.02 | adv_ | should i install a bigmem kernel or 64bit one? |
| 09:26.20 | petern_ | -g |
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| 09:26.53 | adv_ | petern_, i have it |
| 09:27.07 | petern_ | then it should just work, i think |
| 09:27.19 | adv_ | petern_, with no change? |
| 09:27.24 | adv_ | with my current kernel? |
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| 09:27.54 | adv_ | i have 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 09:30.54 | NMR | anyone help me with a quick sudoers issue? trying to get sudoers to allow a command for a user, "/etc/init.d/ssh restart" and , it is able to run |
| 09:31.00 | NMR | but, midway through 'restart' process |
| 09:31.07 | NMR | it doesnt have the permission, say, to kill the old ssh |
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| 09:31.10 | NMR | or to access the host keys |
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| 09:31.19 | NMR | what would need to go in sudoers to allow that process to do its subtask things |
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| 09:38.55 | adv_ | anyone? |
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| 09:48.15 | windparadise | hello, pls I don't understand why the surge or my hard disk space, |
| 09:48.40 | windparadise | currently I am haiving 23GB of hdd size and 530 of ram size which seems strange, |
| 09:48.45 | windparadise | can somoene help out? |
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| 09:49.55 | windparadise | it's a fresh vps box where I installed the lamp and the core functionalities for my web application |
| 09:50.41 | ayambit | windparadise: what do you mean by surge? disk usage increased rapidly? |
| 09:51.34 | windparadise | yes, anyway, I have ben doing lot of installations, which are lamp, and my cms, drupal |
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| 09:51.40 | windparadise | with fiew configs |
| 09:54.25 | ayambit | do you know what is taking so much space? |
| 09:54.46 | windparadise | no |
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| 09:55.24 | windparadise | I just ran hte normal LAMP installation, that's what I did most and if the size would have been soo much I would expect 1-2Gb |
| 09:55.24 | ayambit | try du -h |
| 09:55.31 | windparadise | but not to this leven |
| 09:55.32 | windparadise | ok |
| 09:56.08 | ayambit | What do you mean by 'normal LAMP installation'? How did you do it exactly? |
| 09:56.36 | adv_ | is pae enabled in the default 32bit kernel? |
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| 09:58.01 | windparadise | well, ther is a misleading fact here, |
| 09:58.06 | windparadise | look at this http://pastebin.com/bUqBHsY4 |
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| 09:58.54 | petern_ | adv_, yes |
| 09:58.56 | ayambit | windparadise: doesn't look strange to me |
| 09:59.32 | ayambit | where did you installed your php apps? /var/www? |
| 10:00.21 | windparadise | yes |
| 10:00.26 | windparadise | look at this rather, |
| 10:00.36 | windparadise | permit me to dunp to 2 lines hjere |
| 10:00.39 | windparadise | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.41 | windparadise | Mem: 5242880 465792 4777088 0 0 0 |
| 10:00.43 | windparadise | -/+ buffers/cache: 465792 4777088 |
| 10:00.44 | windparadise | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 10:00.46 | windparadise | root@storecomplex:~# |
| 10:01.26 | neil_m | -_- |
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| 10:01.42 | adv_ | petern_, what is the difference from bigmem kernel? |
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| 10:04.09 | ayambit | windparadise: paste 'ps -faxu' somewhere. |
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| 10:04.48 | windparadise | ok |
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| 10:08.34 | windparadise | root@storecomplex:~# df -hl Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/simfs 200G 1.1G 177G 1% / tmpfs 2.5G 0 2.5G 0% /lib/init/rw tmpfs 2.5G 0 2.5G 0% /dev/shm |
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| 10:21.40 | petern_ | adv_, pass. bigmem is for 4GB+, so maybe you need that. |
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| 10:23.12 | petern_ | adv_, if you've got a 64bit cpu, the 64bit kernel might be a better option, but i don't know. |
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| 10:24.04 | skrull | theres no excuse for not using a 64-bit kernel on 64-bit cpu |
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| 10:24.36 | skrull | adobe has also released flash for 64-bit for those who need it |
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| 10:28.47 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 10:28.56 | kansas_slim | hi. is there a maximum of partitions allowed in LVMs? |
| 10:28.58 | Bartzy | when a tmpfs mount gets filled, is there a way to tell it to just delete the last files ? |
| 10:29.16 | kansas_slim | for AIX it is 1016 |
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| 10:41.05 | file-exists-p | dear all. If I managed to get dpkg-buildpackage to work fine with the software I want to package, is there a simple manner to produce the said package for multiple cpu/versions of debian ? |
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| 10:45.52 | bolt | i have a silly usb bluetooth dongle that sometimes locks up and refuses to answer any commands. is there a way to reset a usb device without reinserting it? like, just act as if it was pulled out and reinserted? |
| 10:46.11 | bolt | it starts working as expected again if i reinsert it |
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| 11:03.06 | Iridos | bolt, remove kernel module, load kernel module |
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| 11:03.58 | bolt | Iridos: how do I know which module to do that with? |
| 11:03.58 | Iridos | that's what I do *sigh* with the usb wireless stick... there's (probably) a race condition that makes it not come up again after suspend/hibernate |
| 11:04.34 | bolt | "lsmod | grep blue" gives me "bluetooth" and "rfkill" |
| 11:04.37 | bolt | should i reload both? |
| 11:04.50 | Iridos | no |
| 11:05.04 | Iridos | that's not for the device itself |
| 11:05.06 | Iridos | dpkg! |
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| 11:05.54 | Iridos | I'm still kind of unsure if judds pciid search works for the IDs that lsusb gives you |
| 11:06.08 | Iridos | judd, pciid 05ac:1299 |
| 11:06.08 | judd | [05ac:1299] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=05ac:1299 |
| 11:06.20 | Iridos | mmh, maybe not |
| 11:06.36 | bolt | judd, pciid 0a12:0001 |
| 11:06.37 | Iridos | judd, pciid 0ace:1215 |
| 11:06.38 | judd | [0a12:0001] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0a12:0001 |
| 11:06.39 | judd | [0ace:1215] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0ace:1215 |
| 11:07.07 | Iridos | judd, usbid 0ace:1215 |
| 11:07.12 | Iridos | :) |
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| 11:08.10 | Iridos | dunno, look at the package and google the devicename kernel module... or compare lsmod before you plug it in the very first time after a reboot and after (as it's most probably loaded by udev then) |
| 11:08.22 | Iridos | or just look through lsmod without grepping for likely-looking names |
| 11:08.51 | Iridos | bolt, also, dmesg might name the module when you plug it in |
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| 11:10.48 | bolt | new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 11:10.56 | bolt | that? |
| 11:11.10 | Iridos | something more useful, I hoped :) |
| 11:11.17 | [eXception] | hi.. a question about dch ... is it possible to point the bts query to any other bts (like bugzilla) instead of the debian bts ??? |
| 11:11.27 | [eXception] | when using --closes option |
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| 11:12.20 | Iridos | what is the "bts query" that has a --closes option |
| 11:13.25 | [eXception] | when you provide --closes <#bugnumber> option, then dch does a query to the debian bug tracking system to get additional information about the closed bug |
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| 11:13.43 | [eXception] | I want to query my own bugzilla instead of debian-bts |
| 11:14.19 | Iridos | oh, didn't see the "dch" |
| 11:15.46 | [eXception] | any ideas? |
| 11:18.37 | Iridos | they're perlscripts and the url is hardcoded... |
| 11:19.32 | Iridos | /usr/share/devscripts/Devscripts/Debbugs.pm line 100 |
| 11:19.47 | [eXception] | ah ok thx |
| 11:20.02 | [eXception] | one more |
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| 11:20.06 | [eXception] | can I call dch silent? |
| 11:20.10 | [eXception] | without opening an editor? |
| 11:20.52 | Iridos | don't understand that question |
| 11:21.00 | Iridos | but I also never used dch |
| 11:21.08 | bzed | [eXception]: try dch '' |
| 11:21.30 | bzed | [eXception]: hmm no, that creates an empty line |
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| 11:21.38 | David_Guetta | lol |
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| 11:22.14 | Windows | debian |
| 11:22.16 | Windows | is |
| 11:22.29 | Windows | a |
| 11:22.48 | Windows | <censored> |
| 11:22.50 | bzed | !ops windows sucks |
| 11:22.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: bzed complains about: windows sucks |
| 11:22.57 | Windows | archive |
| 11:23.13 | Windows | linux sucks |
| 11:23.29 | Iridos | bzed, admit it, you always wanted to do that! |
| 11:23.35 | bzed | Iridos: indeed. |
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| 11:29.27 | Windows | gets op+ from @debhelper |
| 11:31.39 | mentor | Good |
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| 11:31.55 | Iridos | self-solving |
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| 11:38.53 | jelly | slow mentor is slow? |
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| 11:39.24 | mentor | No, I was hoping noone would react to him and he would get bored and go away |
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| 11:40.29 | jelly | that attitude might explain why trolls are left to annoy us for so long |
| 11:40.36 | huh | hi! i have a little problem to install some hardware, i need to execute MAKE but bash dont find MAKE. |
| 11:40.56 | huh | i want to install it without internet |
| 11:41.04 | th3xer0 | are you using MAKE or make? |
| 11:41.08 | huh | make |
| 11:41.11 | huh | sorry |
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| 11:41.50 | mentor | jelly: Please feel free to use /ignore |
| 11:41.55 | ksk | so you can get the "make" package on another machine, wich has internet |
| 11:42.07 | ksk | and transer it via usb or sth like that |
| 11:42.11 | ksk | tranfser |
| 11:42.16 | K|NgGh0sT | Any way to recover a broken apt-get update from a live cd? My computer won't boot now because in the midst of installing it ran out of Harddrive space and crashed apt. |
| 11:42.19 | huh | perfect |
| 11:42.21 | huh | how? |
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| 11:42.51 | K|NgGh0sT | I had the drives, proc, sys and chroot in a Ubuntu live cd but Apt couldn't connect to any servers, meanwhile I had internet access |
| 11:42.52 | jelly | mentor: you and me both know there's no /ignore smart enough to detect valid user's responses |
| 11:43.31 | mentor | Similarly with bans presumably then |
| 11:43.35 | huh | where i get make package? ksk |
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| 11:44.25 | ksk | via aptitude? from packages.debian.org? do some research yourself :) |
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| 11:44.37 | huh | ok |
| 11:44.41 | huh | thanks ksk |
| 11:44.43 | ksk | maybe "installing a debian package without internet" into google would help, too |
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| 11:44.59 | huh | XD ok ok :P |
| 11:45.20 | olspookishmagus | hello I want to install korean and chinese font support to my system, any guidelines? |
| 11:45.32 | Bushmills | a debian cd would help |
| 11:45.56 | Bushmills | you can get them as freebies with computer journals |
| 11:46.20 | olspookishmagus | installing fonts from packages intented ONLY for debian-installer is NOT reccomended |
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| 11:54.56 | sylar | epiphany sucks @squeeze |
| 11:54.57 | sylar | :( |
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| 11:55.12 | sylar | cpu hog, no flash block |
| 11:55.24 | sylar | can I use lenny's ephiphany with squeeze? |
| 11:56.09 | wols | probably. but no guarantees |
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| 11:57.40 | sylar | how is that done? |
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| 12:00.09 | Guest30903 | Can you use ZFS on Debian? |
| 12:01.52 | wols | Guest30903: yes, via Debian kFreeBSD |
| 12:02.01 | Guest30903 | What is that? |
| 12:02.16 | wols | !tell Guest30903 about kfreebsd |
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| 12:02.30 | windparadise | hello, pls can someone tell me where the logs files are kept? |
| 12:02.49 | wols | windparadise: as I told you before /var/log |
| 12:03.00 | windparadise | thx |
| 12:03.02 | Guest30903 | is it a different kernel? |
| 12:03.58 | wols | yes it's a BSD kernel |
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| 12:05.27 | Guest30903 | Hmm |
| 12:05.37 | Guest30903 | Any way to use ZFS with the Linux kernel? |
| 12:06.06 | jelly | dpkg, tell Guest30903 -about zfs |
| 12:06.49 | Guest30903 | Thanks |
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| 12:14.35 | yac | Hi, im packaging uwsgi which must be compiled against python X.Y version and im looking for a way how to build all the -X.Y packages but it doesnt look like there is some debian way for doing this |
| 12:15.54 | yac | i think i should be able to build all the avilable version into one package with some make magic, but then i dont know how to choose which versions should be installed on the target system |
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| 12:18.03 | fbsd | hi |
| 12:18.25 | fbsd | i need to add new entry to debian menu but doesn't work |
| 12:18.32 | fbsd | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/menu.html/ch7.html#s7.2 |
| 12:18.38 | fbsd | i using this doc |
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| 12:25.26 | K|NgGh0sT | How do I do a new netinstall using an existing LVM? |
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| 12:30.59 | dym | I have a 2 nic system, one with 10.0.0.1 assigned and one with 10.0.1.1 - the other ends of the nics have machines with 10.0.0.5 and 10.0.1.5. |
| 12:31.02 | dym | adding route from the respective ones like route add -net -n 10.0.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 still wont let 10.0.1.5 ping 10.0.0.5 - any idea? |
| 12:32.32 | wols | dym: you need to enable ip forwarding |
| 12:32.36 | mentor | dym: turn ip forwarding on |
| 12:32.51 | joltcan | dym: I always use tcpdump when doing stuff like that, then you can see if the packets are forwarded, and most important, if they actually return or not |
| 12:33.05 | dym | ip forwarding is enabled @ wols @mentor |
| 12:33.38 | Cain | Hi, GPT is fully supported by debian ? i just bought a 2TB HDD, MBR is just fine or GPT is better ? |
| 12:33.45 | mentor | dym: Have you added routes on the two endpoint machines for the other networks? |
| 12:34.00 | mentor | No, you said that already |
| 12:34.03 | dym | indeed :) |
| 12:35.23 | mentor | iptables maybe? |
| 12:35.31 | mentor | Try using tcpdump to see where the pacakets get to |
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| 12:36.27 | dym | odd is that i can in fact ping 10.0.0.1 from 10.0.1.5 and 10.0.1.1 from 10.0.0.5 |
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| 12:37.41 | fossala | Does anyone know why my xmodmaprc isn't working when being called from xsession but does when ran from the command line? |
| 12:38.05 | fossala | All it does is swaps esc and grave keys |
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| 12:38.38 | evil-man | dym please show output of ip link list and ip address list and ip route list. |
| 12:39.27 | ixti | fossala: I might be wrong but are you sure your session manager runs .Xsession? |
| 12:39.43 | fossala | I use startX |
| 12:39.55 | ixti | fossala: afaik it uses .xinitrc |
| 12:40.11 | ixti | so I have .xinitrc and .Xsession -> ymlinks to it |
| 12:40.35 | ixti | because sometimes I use startx, sometimes xdm |
| 12:40.36 | ixti | :)) |
| 12:40.39 | fossala | It works because I run xsetroot, Xrbd, unclutter and xmonad from it. |
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| 12:40.57 | ixti | hmm |
| 12:41.35 | dym | evil-man: second. |
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| 12:42.21 | ixti | fossala: probably worst proposal ever, but try to "delay" xmodmaprc load |
| 12:42.38 | fossala | Thats what I was looking into. |
| 12:42.50 | fossala | sleep command should work |
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| 12:44.01 | ixti | fossala: (sleep 5 && echo 'hooray for boobies')& |
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| 12:44.35 | fossala | Isn't hooray for boobies a bloodhound gang album? |
| 12:44.46 | ixti | fossala: it is :)) |
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| 12:45.12 | fossala | K edited the file will just check if it works. |
| 12:46.02 | ompaul | isn't this channel #debian a debian software support channel? |
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| 12:47.40 | ixti | ompaul: what do you mean? |
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| 12:48.11 | ompaul | It's not really a music question channel. |
| 12:48.52 | ixti | ah. sorry if we disturbed you. |
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| 12:49.39 | ahmad_daoud | ompaul: hahaaaahaaaa ... :)) |
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| 12:50.01 | fossala | Nope still not working. |
| 12:50.48 | ixti | . o O ( is it a #debian support channel or a psychoanalitics ) |
| 12:50.57 | ixti | fossala: strange |
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| 12:52.11 | hidensoft | hi every body :) |
| 12:52.40 | K|NgGh0sT | hi doctor nick |
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| 12:55.22 | Adnan | hi people im trying to install my rtl wlan driver via install.sh and i get the following error message:http://pastebin.com/hDDACKQa |
| 12:55.26 | Adnan | http://pastebin.com/hDDACKQa |
| 12:55.30 | Adnan | can someone help |
| 12:56.35 | wols | !tell Adnan about rtl8192cu |
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| 12:56.42 | wols | Adnan: note that 2.6.39 is in backports |
| 12:57.02 | Arafangion | How do I get it so that my root password isn't required when I, eg, eject my CD Drive? |
| 12:57.02 | Adnan | wols?? |
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| 12:57.09 | Arafangion | I want it to use sudo isntead. |
| 12:57.11 | Arafangion | *instead |
| 12:57.21 | Adnan | wols: dont understand |
| 12:57.25 | wols | Arafangion: sudo eject no workie? |
| 12:57.48 | Arafangion | glares at wols. :) |
| 12:57.50 | wols | Adnan: the driver you need is already in linux 2.6.39 which is available via backports. dpkg messaged you, read that |
| 12:58.28 | Adnan | ok |
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| 13:00.30 | dym | evil-man: having trouble providing info, since there is no direct connectin to the gateway machine |
| 13:00.33 | Arafangion | wols: Specially, I want it to ask using gksudo instead of gksu or whatever it is. |
| 13:00.42 | dym | evil-man: i'd have to reconfigure an interface |
| 13:00.45 | dym | if that'll suffie |
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| 13:01.16 | fossala | I made a program that just executes xmodmap with my config put it in my $PATH in my home directory and run that "program" from xsession and it works. |
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| 13:02.00 | fossala | By program I obviously mean /bin/sh script. |
| 13:02.01 | DelphiWorld | Hello |
| 13:02.04 | DelphiWorld | a general question: |
| 13:02.11 | DelphiWorld | is it pocible to burn a cd through shell ? |
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| 13:02.16 | DelphiWorld | and how do i mount my cd ? |
| 13:02.20 | fossala | Yes |
| 13:02.30 | fossala | check out growisofs |
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| 13:02.52 | ompaul | mount after burning |
| 13:03.01 | ompaul | if it is audio you don't want to mount |
| 13:03.34 | DelphiWorld | ompaul: is data. |
| 13:03.47 | DelphiWorld | fossala: ok, i apted growisofs |
| 13:04.17 | fossala | To mount the cd its 'mount -t iso9660 "drivename" /where/you/want/the/mountpoint |
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| 13:04.23 | fossala | ' |
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| 13:05.01 | dym | evil-man: http://pastebin.com/SbcGeY9q |
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| 13:06.17 | DelphiWorld | sory folk |
| 13:06.22 | DelphiWorld | disconnected |
| 13:06.30 | DelphiWorld | so, ompaul |
| 13:06.38 | DelphiWorld | how do i burn now using growisofs ? |
| 13:06.41 | DelphiWorld | that a iso image |
| 13:06.49 | boudiccas | DelphiWorld; k3b |
| 13:07.00 | fossala | growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=file.iso |
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| 13:07.05 | ompaul | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/burningdvd.htm |
| 13:07.20 | ompaul | boudiccas: he said CLI ;-) |
| 13:07.20 | DelphiWorld | thank you fossala and ompaul |
| 13:07.27 | DelphiWorld | boudiccas: what do you mean ? |
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| 13:08.11 | dym | mentor: wols: http://pastebin.com/SbcGeY9q |
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| 13:08.22 | dym | maybe you can clear things up |
| 13:08.24 | DelphiWorld | haha |
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| 13:10.12 | DelphiWorld | 2% [> ] 21,116,328 801K/s eta 14m 15s |
| 13:10.16 | DelphiWorld | :) |
| 13:10.32 | DelphiWorld | fossala: Downloading the iso from my PC to my Debian through Ad-Hoc Wireless |
| 13:11.03 | weebl | is it just me or are there a lot of broken mirrors? |
| 13:11.30 | fossala | Sweet I have never used ad-hoc. |
| 13:11.31 | evil-man | dym: can you explain me what you try to get? |
| 13:11.31 | DelphiWorld | fossala: who's Opaltelecom ? |
| 13:12.07 | fossala | Trading name for talktalk, Why? |
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| 13:13.26 | DelphiWorld | fossala: google for opal :) |
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| 13:14.11 | sh00p | Hi all, I'm trying to install debian 6.0 on a sd-card but the installer doesnt seem to find it, instead it tries to install to the bootable usb media i'm installing form |
| 13:14.14 | sh00p | any ideas? |
| 13:14.14 | DelphiWorld | fossala: opal is a open source Phone abstraction library ;) |
| 13:14.24 | fossala | Ahh. |
| 13:14.30 | fossala | Talktalk are useless. |
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| 13:14.37 | DelphiWorld | fossala: what country? |
| 13:14.41 | fossala | UK |
| 13:14.47 | DelphiWorld | fossala: i see |
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| 13:20.23 | ahmad_daoud | Adnan: i think u have to upgrade your kernel , coz rtl8192cu is included in 2.6.39 , 3.0 ?? may be |
| 13:20.33 | ahmad_daoud | Adnan: i think u have to upgrade your kernel , coz rtl8192cu is included in 2.6.39 , 3.0 ?? may be |
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| 13:21.52 | Adnan | ahmad_daoud: to be honest i have a xubuntu installed on the system and i dont get any answer from there so im trying to get through via debian help |
| 13:22.07 | DelphiWorld | hello Adnan |
| 13:22.13 | jaakkos | i have rtl8192ce which is a piece of crap chip. |
| 13:22.13 | Adnan | hi |
| 13:22.37 | Adnan | i think its a bitch |
| 13:22.37 | jaakkos | seriously had to order intel centrino to replace it |
| 13:22.56 | sdx23 | sh00p: maybe your cardreader simply is not supported. other than using the installer you could debootstrap. |
| 13:23.09 | Adnan | but i still hope to make it run |
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| 13:23.32 | Adnan | i installed on a windows machine and it gave me a rtl88188cu |
| 13:23.47 | ahmad_daoud | Adnan: check this (found in linux) http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/RTL8192CU.html |
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| 13:24.13 | jaakkos | Adnan: which kernel are you running |
| 13:24.16 | DelphiWorld | Good Evening ahmad_daoud ! |
| 13:24.17 | sh00p | sdx23 hmm debootstrap you say |
| 13:24.50 | Adnan | kernel is 2.6.38-11 |
| 13:25.20 | jaakkos | install latest stable perhaps (i would just compile it myself, make-kpkg) |
| 13:25.39 | jaakkos | i think rtl8192ce was also introduced in .39 |
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| 13:26.21 | Adnan | jaakos: and how do i do that |
| 13:26.31 | sdx23 | sh00p: yes. i think this is the best option. of course you can as well use a shell within the installer to get it support the cardreader which i consider more effort. well, depends on how much knowledge you already have. |
| 13:27.05 | sh00p | i'm not sure the installer had the necessary modules... tried modprobeing some of them i thought i might need |
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| 13:27.11 | sh00p | mmc_block, mmc_core etc |
| 13:27.40 | sh00p | but debootstrap sure seems more friendly, then i can work from my laptop instead of trying to work on a small embedded system |
| 13:28.00 | ahmad_daoud | wa3alekom mes-salam DelphiWorld .. :) |
| 13:28.09 | ahmad_daoud | Good Evening ! |
| 13:28.22 | Adnan | where u from ahmad_daoud |
| 13:28.48 | ahmad_daoud | Egy :) |
| 13:29.08 | Adnan | ah nice |
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| 13:29.33 | smooki | hiya |
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| 13:30.12 | ahmad_daoud | Adnan: u have fast internet ?? |
| 13:30.12 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:30.12 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:30.22 | Adnan | yed |
| 13:30.25 | Adnan | yes |
| 13:30.26 | ahmad_daoud | ok |
| 13:30.44 | ahmad_daoud | using ubunto ? |
| 13:30.48 | jaakkos | Adnan: install kernel-package; download 3.0 from https://github.com/mirrors/linux-2.6/downloads; extract; copy /boot/config-... to the kernel dir as .config; make oldconfig; run 'make menuconfig' to make sure LGUEST options are disabled - doesn't exist any more and make-kpkg will fail building documentation if you fail to do this; CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=number_of_cpu_cores_you_have make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 13:30.49 | Adnan | yes |
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| 13:30.54 | jaakkos | Adnan: pretty much that |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | Adnan: if you need help with ubuntu, use #ubuntu please |
| 13:31.22 | boudiccas | jaakkos; all bets are off, he's using ubuntu |
| 13:31.26 | ahmad_daoud | by root : apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:31.35 | jaakkos | aha :( |
| 13:31.37 | krion | i wonder where can i ask a question about extended acl ? |
| 13:31.40 | abrotman | ahmad_daoud: please go to #ubuntu if you want to help him |
| 13:31.43 | jaakkos | well actually that procedure also works on ubuntu :D |
| 13:31.47 | krion | because it's not really debian related... |
| 13:32.02 | Adnan | sry |
| 13:32.10 | ahmad_daoud | abrotman: ????? |
| 13:32.14 | abrotman | krion: you can try here if you're running debian |
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| 13:32.20 | abrotman | ahmad_daoud: !!!!! |
| 13:32.25 | krion | i'm running debian, so here i go :) |
| 13:32.26 | ahmad_daoud | oh sorry ! it's debian |
| 13:32.29 | ahmad_daoud | sorry |
| 13:32.45 | abrotman | krion: and you may have to be patient |
| 13:32.54 | ahmad_daoud | just am using irssi |
| 13:33.06 | boudiccas | ahmad_daoud; what does this command show when you run it please ............... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:33.15 | abrotman | bou |
| 13:33.19 | ahmad_daoud | multiple channel && multiple Ctrl-X ... u know |
| 13:33.21 | ahmad_daoud | :) |
| 13:33.22 | krion | i wonder why in the pastebin following, one user in SomeUsers can not modify the file test.txt http://pastebin.com/YCYBs4Rr |
| 13:33.23 | abrotman | boudiccas: wring person |
| 13:34.02 | abrotman | boudiccas: and he already admitted it was not debian |
| 13:34.23 | krion | how can not it be a debian user |
| 13:34.29 | krion | is there people using anything else ? |
| 13:34.40 | krion | (i accept archlinux :D) |
| 13:34.43 | ahmad_daoud | boudiccas: really ?? want to tell you it's suse 11.4 or fedora 15 ?? |
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| 13:35.50 | ||__\\\ | ehmm.. has anything changed at packages.debian.org or is it just me? didn't there use to be a changelog-links on the right-hand side for packages? |
| 13:36.16 | ||__\\\ | i used to find that very usefull |
| 13:36.35 | ahmad_daoud | sorry , i have to go to pray .... see u later bros |
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| 13:36.52 | abrotman | and it still is there |
| 13:37.02 | fossala | FreeBSD :D |
| 13:37.06 | ahmad_daoud | long live (Debra & Ian) ^_* |
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| 13:37.31 | SirDerigo | good morning |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | hopes not ... |
| 13:38.12 | SirDerigo | i am doing a litle testing and, i need to rise one virtual ethernet card that takes an IP from the local DHCP server |
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| 13:38.40 | SirDerigo | how can it be done? |
| 13:38.46 | abrotman | ifup |
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| 13:40.56 | ||__\\\ | abrotman: you're right, it's probably just removed for the packages that didn't have one, like the kernel packages i mentioned the other day that just had broken links |
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| 13:41.34 | abrotman | also try aptitude changelog or apt-listchanges |
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| 13:46.07 | windparadise | hello,pls what command do we type to view what process is consuming my RAM ? |
| 13:46.24 | wols | top |
| 13:46.26 | petemc | top or htop |
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| 13:47.19 | abrotman | atop! |
| 13:47.44 | windparadise | any answer ? |
| 13:47.55 | abrotman | really? |
| 13:47.58 | abrotman | mmmmbop |
| 13:47.59 | petemc | other than the three you have? |
| 13:48.39 | ||__\\\ | abrotman: thank you for the 'aptitude changelog', unfortunately it doesn't help me atm because i'm more interested in what kernel went into what repository and when |
| 13:48.58 | windparadise | ah, ok ok |
| 13:49.22 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 13:49.24 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | but doesnt say when |
| 13:49.49 | ||__\\\ | no |
| 13:49.50 | abrotman | you may want the qa pages? |
| 13:50.00 | ||__\\\ | what's that? =) |
| 13:50.23 | abrotman | http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bash.html for instance |
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| 13:58.16 | ahmad_daoud | salam :) .. (hi) |
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| 13:58.35 | ixti | fossala: wow. really strange. |
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| 14:00.46 | asdjaputra | where are you from ahmad_daoud? |
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| 14:01.14 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:01.15 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 14:03.48 | ahmad_daoud | Cain: Tayeb ya prince :( |
| 14:04.04 | abrotman | ahmad_daoud: english in this channel |
| 14:04.09 | Cain | ahmad_daoud : in private ;) |
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| 14:05.33 | ||__\\\ | abrotman: well, it's closer.. |
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| 14:06.25 | ||__\\\ | abrotman: can't really say that this was what i was looking for either http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-latest-2.6.html |
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| 14:07.40 | ||__\\\ | i'd just like a changelog of everytime a linux-image package has been bumped to a newer version |
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| 14:09.47 | abrotman | you want top look at the source package maybe? |
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| 14:15.02 | iderik | How come my webrowser (epiphany and iceweasel) freezes on some sites? I guess it has something to do with flash ads |
| 14:15.22 | juhan | could be |
| 14:15.44 | abrotman | probably, try safe mode, try again |
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| 14:16.13 | iderik | is there a way to fix this problem? install flash? :/ |
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| 14:16.22 | ahmad_daoud | iderik: with everyone , it's 100% flash ad ! |
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| 14:17.15 | iderik | or is it possible to block flash? i rather not install flash |
| 14:17.42 | jpwhiting | http://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Issue_.233a:_Dependency_cycle_breakage_caused_by_nfs-common <-- anyone here know how to fix this issue? |
| 14:17.59 | abrotman | iderik: apt-cache search flash block |
| 14:18.07 | jpwhiting | the bug says something about changing lsb headers, are those the parts at the top of the nfs-common /etc/init.d script? |
| 14:18.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:18.22 | abrotman | !lsb tags |
| 14:18.23 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 14:18.56 | karlpinc | is there anything going on with backports today? I get messages from "aptitude safe-upgrade" like: Err http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports/main ure i386 1.7.0+LibO3.3.3-4~bpo60+1 |
| 14:18.59 | hidensoft | hi every body , i have GeForce GT 425M graphic card , after install nvidia-xconfig and run and restart i got black screen , did anyone know what is problem ? |
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| 14:19.18 | abrotman | nvidia |
| 14:19.32 | abrotman | karlpinc: does your browser work? |
| 14:19.40 | hidensoft | abrotman, problem is nvidia ? |
| 14:19.46 | karlpinc | abrotman: Good thought. Let me look. |
| 14:19.55 | abrotman | karlpinc: also, aptitude update first? |
| 14:20.01 | karlpinc | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 14:21.24 | mooperd | hallo. does anyone have any info about doing spanning tree on debian. |
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| 14:22.26 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 14:22.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 14:23.30 | karlpinc | abrotman: Uh. Where should I be looking in pool/ for 1.7.0+LibO3.3.3-4~bpo60+1, since it does not begin with a letter? |
| 14:24.05 | abrotman | isnt that an O not a zero? |
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| 14:24.16 | karlpinc | abrotman: (I seem to be able to bump around the archive...) |
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| 14:24.34 | abrotman | karlpinc: also, apt-cache show .. should have the relative link |
| 14:24.51 | karlpinc | abrotman: I guess I'm not reading what apt is telling me. Hang on. |
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| 14:28.22 | danilom | good day for all. excuse me... someone know some site that offer vps server for free? |
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| 14:34.11 | ||__\\\ | abrotman: maybe, i just thought it would be neat with a changelog like that, but i noticed now that this wouldn't have helped me this time either |
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| 14:34.16 | Strogg | 'lo 'lo |
| 14:34.19 | karlpinc | abrotman: Odd. Finally figured out the proper url and the browser did download it, so tried "aptitude safe-upgrade" again and now it seems to be working. (I'd alreay tried it several times.) |
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| 14:35.09 | Strogg | say.. networking question. I have two network cards in my system, and I just noticed today that both have their mac address set to aa:00:04:00:0a:04. Does anyone know how I can keep them from being changed from the real mac? |
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| 14:36.04 | ||__\\\ | abrotman: something weird happened, we FAI'ed four workstations and one of them got packages from squeeze-backports, apparently, and that gave us some other issues. reinstalling with FAI got the packages from stable, and i have no idea what kind of glitch caused this |
| 14:36.25 | Strogg | my debian_release says I'm running wheezy/sid, but I've dist-upgraded a bunch, and I have some backports too. |
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| 14:37.02 | karlpinc | abrotman: I think there's a problem with 86.59.118.148. Should I be telling anyone? |
| 14:37.52 | ||__\\\ | abrotman: anyways, thank you for the effort |
| 14:38.52 | rohan | i want to install debian on my laptop, but currently i have no cd-rom or pen drive. is there any way to do it? |
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| 14:40.29 | joltcan | rohan: netinstall! |
| 14:40.44 | mat619 | Hey guys, need your help once again. Installation of Squeeze failed on my VIA C3 based machine last time, which I was given the idea to try Lenny. Which I just did. And which fails AGAIN. :( it says "in-target: Execution stopped because of too many errors" |
| 14:40.48 | rohan | joltcan: yes, but netinstall itself requires the image to be written on a cd/pendrive right? |
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| 14:41.00 | rohan | !netinstall |
| 14:41.00 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 14:41.01 | joltcan | rohan: No, netboot |
| 14:41.02 | karlpinc | rohan: He means pxeboot. |
| 14:41.13 | rohan | karlpinc: ah.. i'll have to look into it |
| 14:41.16 | karlpinc | rohan: Are you running linux on it? |
| 14:41.21 | joltcan | karlpinc: yeah, exactly |
| 14:41.34 | _melvin_ | Hi. is there any chance to "mirror" console output to /dev/tty and /dev/ttyS devices? |
| 14:41.38 | mat619 | other errors are "Configuring pkgsel failed with error code 1" |
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| 14:42.11 | karlpinc | _melvin_: I belive so but you'd need to rtfm. |
| 14:42.22 | karlpinc | rohan: (I mean now.) |
| 14:42.29 | rohan | karlpinc: yes, i do have an ubuntu install, but i think it's horribly broken. |
| 14:42.42 | karlpinc | !tell _melvin_ about serial console |
| 14:43.00 | karlpinc | rohan: You should be able to do a hard disk based install. See the install guide. |
| 14:43.09 | _melvin_ | karlpinc, i tryed. but didn't found anything but this: the last console is mapped to /dev/console |
| 14:43.14 | rohan | you mean the bootstrapping thing? |
| 14:43.21 | karlpinc | rohan: That might be eaiser to setup than pxeboot. |
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| 14:43.58 | karlpinc | rohan: It uses grub to run the installer kernel and mount a iso image of the installer that's on the hard drive into ram. Then it installs. |
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| 14:44.51 | _melvin_ | so kernel messages are shown but not init-script messages and such things |
| 14:45.13 | karlpinc | _melvin_: You could also look into bootlogd (iirc). |
| 14:46.24 | rohan | karlpinc: did you mean http://www.bucksch.org/1/projects/debian/crossinst/ ? |
| 14:46.27 | karlpinc | _melvin_: I'm not sure about sending console messages to more than one place. That might be something for the syslog daemon to deal with, in which case it should be easy. Or perhaps you just need a script that uses tee.... My brain's not working now. |
| 14:46.36 | karlpinc | !tell rohan about ig |
| 14:46.53 | karlpinc | rohan: Look for something like "hard disk install". |
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| 14:47.04 | abrotman | karlpinc: perhaps the debian-mirrors, but i would guess it will sync in a few hours |
| 14:47.16 | _melvin_ | karlpinc, i try to see boot messages from the serial (ipmi) interface as well as from the local monitor. |
| 14:47.40 | karlpinc | abrotman: Or it could be I'm not testing properly because I'm not doing the virtual host http stuff right, but I _think_ something's happening. |
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| 14:48.14 | karlpinc | _melvin_: Gotta go. Ask the channel. |
| 14:48.25 | rohan | karlpinc: thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:51.15 | Strogg | ok.. I figured out my issue. It was dnet-common to blame. |
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| 14:51.33 | mat619 | okay... this is weird: I ran "Select and Install software" two more times, since it seemed that every time it installed more packages at which it previously failed. Now I can see "glibc detected *** gconftool-2: malloc(): memory corruption (fast, 0x000someaddress)" and Segmentation Faults all over the place |
| 14:52.40 | DE1 | hey i cant seem to block sites using my /etc/hosts file. It used to work before but since updating to squeeze I don't know if something else is affecting it. Any ideas why? I have restarted my network after making the changes... |
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| 14:53.55 | rohan | the installer guide tells me to download vmlinuz and initrd.gz to my hard disk. where can i find these 2 files in the debian archive? |
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| 14:54.52 | petemc | DE1: whats the hosts: line in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 14:55.38 | DE1 | ts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 14:55.42 | DE1 | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 14:56.13 | wols | rohan: where does it tell you that? |
| 14:56.24 | rohan | wols: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 14:57.32 | rohan | i think i found them -- http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 14:58.30 | rohan | will go try this |
| 14:58.36 | wols | ronny: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 14:59.11 | wols | sorry ronny. rohan went away too fast |
| 14:59.22 | Iridos | he did indeed |
| 14:59.50 | Iridos | weird instructions... without link |
| 15:00.03 | wols | wonder how longs it takes him until he sees that vmlinuz is missing... |
| 15:00.29 | Iridos | I think you rename "linux"? |
| 15:00.42 | Iridos | don't see what else that file should be |
| 15:00.47 | wols | you could. if it would work. this directory is for pxe booting, not hd booting |
| 15:01.54 | Iridos | oh, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/20110106+squeeze3/images/hd-media/ |
| 15:02.06 | Iridos | wouldn't hurt to have a link in the instructions |
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| 15:12.47 | mosno | should i be worried about this in terms of data integrity? http://paste.debian.net/129579/ |
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| 15:17.30 | mosno | all drivers are FOSS, no firmware blobs |
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| 15:19.21 | somiaj | that dosen't look like just a HD error, looks like a cpu/bus error |
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| 15:20.07 | mosno | somiaj: yeah, but my SATA controller is obviously on the PCI buss |
| 15:20.25 | mosno | somiaj: not to mention the fact that i could have a CPU/RAM issue |
| 15:20.36 | mosno | i'm thinking of doing a memtest overnight but besides that i don't know what to do... |
| 15:20.49 | mosno | it's a Toshiba A200 laptop |
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| 15:21.14 | somiaj | yea I use to have a set of hardware tools called 'tech tracker' in which you could try to test otehr things besides ram and hd. but for the most part I have never found a good tool to test anything but the ram and harddrives. |
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| 15:21.54 | mosno | :\ |
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| 15:22.15 | mosno | i have another laptop i can move this HDD to, i am just avoiding it because ATI graphics are a huge PITA |
| 15:22.42 | an0 | mosno: there are some decent tools on the ultimate boot cd for testing hardware. |
| 15:22.57 | an0 | ultimatebootcd.com |
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| 15:23.14 | somiaj | well I'd start with memtest, if you don't find any errors there, put teh hd on another mobo and try a hd test...again I personally haven't ran across any reliable tools for checking for bus/pci/mobo errors |
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| 15:23.38 | mosno | ok. thanks somiaj and an0 |
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| 15:23.49 | an0 | yw |
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| 15:27.05 | dreamer | anyone here know the xscreensaver molecule? I'm trying to make it play a directory of pdbs using xlock, but I just get a black screen |
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| 15:28.53 | cheater | hi |
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| 15:29.26 | cheater | i have two computers with packages in the apt cache. how can i transfer the packages from one computer to the other so that they get picked up on the other one? |
| 15:29.47 | cheater | do i just put the files in /var/cache/apt/archives or do i need to edit the .bin files in any way? |
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| 15:34.14 | somiaj | cheater: you want to transfer them locally so they don't have to be downloaded over the internet again |
| 15:34.47 | somiaj | cheater: yes if you just copy the files to the /var/cache/apt/archives when you ask apt-get or aptitude to install something, it will first look for the package there before downloading it from the internet source |
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| 15:35.21 | somiaj | cheater: so that is a simple way, but if you want a more complex setup I think you can set up a local source via an apt proxy or mirror, but I'm a bit fuzzy on those dtilas. |
| 15:36.17 | cheater | ahhh ok |
| 15:36.22 | cheater | nah i was just looking for something like this |
| 15:36.25 | cheater | thanks a lot somiaj |
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| 15:48.09 | mat619 | Hey, is there any mirror still out there for the lastest Etch i386 release? |
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| 15:48.25 | petemc | mat619: archive.debian.org |
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| 15:48.36 | mat619 | Since both Squeeze and Lenny fail to install I'll go the "as old as possible for better hardware support"-way |
| 15:49.08 | petemc | that sounds backwards |
| 15:49.21 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 15:49.21 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 15:49.23 | somiaj | why do they fail? What hardware is this. |
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| 15:50.00 | abrotman | !cd archive |
| 15:50.01 | dpkg | A repository of older CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ . Excluding the current <oldstable> release, these are unsupported in #debian. |
| 15:50.07 | mat619 | It's a VIA C3 based system. Software selection and installation always fails due to debootstrap segfaults. |
| 15:50.22 | mat619 | RAM is OK, an old ubuntu 9.04 install ran fine on the same hardware as well. |
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| 15:50.54 | mat619 | squeeze sometimes made it through the software selection and installation, but then failed to install a bootloader (neither grub nor lilo) |
| 15:50.57 | Bushmills | what kernel is it you're using? |
| 15:51.01 | jelly-home | mat619: so have you tried lenny or even etch installer, yet |
| 15:51.13 | mat619 | I am f'in desperate already. :( |
| 15:51.14 | jelly-home | Bushmills: his only option is -486 |
| 15:51.25 | Bushmills | should be fine with C3 |
| 15:51.29 | mat619 | the C3 supports i586 too |
| 15:51.40 | jelly-home | mat619: I meant of the debian kernel flavors |
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| 15:51.54 | mat619 | there's no i586 kernel? well 486 then. |
| 15:52.26 | Arafangion | What instructions would the kernel take advantave of in the i586? |
| 15:53.04 | jelly-home | Arafangion: that sounds like an "use the source, Luke" question |
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| 15:53.07 | Bushmills | #gcc probably knows |
| 15:53.07 | mat619 | no idea. performance doesn't matter anyhow. i just want to get ANY debian version running on this piece of annoying hardware! |
| 15:53.16 | Arafangion | jelly-home: No, I'm serious. |
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| 15:53.42 | jelly-home | Arafangion: me too. at the very least you can see what .config setting is chosen and grep for that. |
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| 15:54.13 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I mean, it's not like the kernel can suddenly use SSE3, is it? (Oh, wait, the i586 doesn't have SSE3) |
| 15:54.16 | jelly-home | mat619: I'll wait for lenny d-i install results. |
| 15:54.29 | jelly-home | good luck! |
| 15:54.40 | mat619 | jelly-home: i tried installing lenny already. it failed like squeeze. |
| 15:54.52 | abrotman | Arafangion: i'd think wikipedia would have notes about how a 486 differs from a 586? |
| 15:54.52 | jelly-home | mat619: orly |
| 15:55.03 | mat619 | jelly-home: ya rly. |
| 15:55.06 | jelly-home | mat619: what about debootstrapping from ubuntu 9.04 |
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| 15:55.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: but that's not what he asked |
| 15:55.29 | mat619 | jelly-home: the ubuntu has been overformatted a few times |
| 15:55.36 | abrotman | isnt it? |
| 15:55.48 | jelly-home | mat619: you could boot a 9.04 iso if that works |
| 15:56.05 | jelly-home | <Arafangion> What instructions would the kernel take advantave[sic] of in the i586? |
| 15:56.08 | abrotman | or try a squeeze livecd |
| 15:56.11 | Arafangion | Also, the wikipedia article is surprisingly sparse with respect to technical details. |
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| 15:56.29 | abrotman | Arafangion: oh, it's more like a gcc question? |
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| 15:56.35 | jelly-home | "what does kernel use" != "what does cpu support" |
| 15:56.37 | mat619 | jelly-home: not sure if a fresh install of 9.04 would work - the 9.04 was on an old HDD that i ripped from a dead PC and put in the VIA C3 box |
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| 15:56.45 | Arafangion | abrotman: It's more of an instruction set question. |
| 15:57.03 | abrotman | which the compiler must support ... |
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| 15:57.18 | Arafangion | abrotman: Arguably. |
| 15:57.39 | Arafangion | abrotman: C compilers tend to only support a subset. |
| 15:58.01 | abrotman | if your compiler doesnt use those extra instructions, what good are they? |
| 15:58.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: That's kinda what I'm getting at. |
| 15:58.16 | icebrain | 4 |
| 15:58.26 | jelly-home | mat619: the kernel even has a specific setting for "VIA C3-2" |
| 15:58.38 | jelly-home | and a "CyrixIII/VIA-C3" |
| 15:58.41 | abrotman | so, it's a gcc question :) |
| 15:58.45 | jelly-home | no |
| 15:58.52 | jelly-home | it's a kernel question above all |
| 15:59.39 | hidensoft | i wanna install nvidia driver , i got this error , anybody can help me ? |
| 15:59.40 | hidensoft | http://paste.debian.net/129584/ |
| 15:59.40 | abrotman | Arafangion: regardlesss, you'd want to ask #gcc or #kernel (i'd ask gcc first) |
| 15:59.54 | alazare619 | any idea why dpkg-name isnt working on a fresh install |
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| 16:00.09 | jelly-home | tho, CONFIG_MCYRIXIII: Select this for a Cyrix III or C3 chip. Presently Linux and GCC treat this chip as a generic 586. [...] |
| 16:00.19 | Arafangion | abrotman: Please tell me how GCC would use virtual 8086 mode or other functionality new to the pentium. Heck, the i586 can't be counted on for having MMX, can it? |
| 16:00.26 | mat619 | jelly-home: Cyrix III VIA C3 would be perfect. but what does that mean to my situation? |
| 16:00.35 | abrotman | 586 does not have mmx |
| 16:00.36 | hidensoft | no idea ? |
| 16:00.47 | Arafangion | abrotman: I'm fairly sure that #gcc would say: "You'd use inline assembly". |
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| 16:01.29 | jelly-home | mat619: not much, you still have to install _something_ first, and then configure and build a custom kernel for that machine, hoping that gives you any benefits |
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| 16:01.47 | Arafangion | In fact, the only thing that the kernel would take advantage of in the i586, would be... Ostenably, to check for the FDIV bug? |
| 16:02.19 | jelly-home | Arafangion: it has a working TSC. |
| 16:03.03 | hidensoft | its 3 hour i trying to install nvidia driver :( |
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| 16:03.08 | mat619 | yeah, the installing _something_ part is exactly where it fails all the time |
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| 16:03.19 | mat619 | so any suggestions what to do/try? |
| 16:03.22 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Hmm, that would be very useful, actually. |
| 16:03.34 | jelly-home | mat619: you can always install the system on a different machine and plug the disk back in |
| 16:03.55 | Lahnosh | Hi, I have a problem when I return from suspend / hibernate. |
| 16:03.55 | Lahnosh | I can not see anything. I think because I have the VGA output as the main |
| 16:03.55 | Lahnosh | any ideas? thanks |
| 16:04.29 | jelly-home | Arafangion: probably why the P5 option is called CONFIG_M586TSC, and you're welcome |
| 16:04.44 | mat619 | jelly-home: that's not a bad idea actually. thing is, I currently have no machine to put that IDE into for installation. that's why I'd prefer to do it on the VIA C3 box. i mean [jeremy clarkson] HOW HARD CAN IT BE?! [/jeremy clarkson] |
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| 16:04.59 | mat619 | *IDE HDD |
| 16:05.10 | jelly-home | mat619: you've just found out exactly how hard. |
| 16:05.13 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I missed that, I should've taken the hint, indeed. |
| 16:05.20 | mat619 | jelly-home: yeah, thanks :P |
| 16:05.45 | mat619 | okay gotta go afk for a while. will get back to you later if you don't mind! |
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| 16:06.11 | Iridos | Lahnosh, yes... log in via ssh and find out what's really happening |
| 16:06.16 | impulse | i'm trying to get a usb ethernet device to work with no success so far... i've loaded the cdc_ether module but usbcore doesn't attach that device to the usb device. |
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| 16:07.19 | huh | hi guys, i find a mistake in packages (i think): http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libstdc++6-4.4-dev depends on http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/g++-4.4 But g++ depends on libstdc too! how is possible!? I cant install this packages! |
| 16:07.43 | jhutchins_lt | impulse: Does it need firmware? (Look at dmesg) |
| 16:07.45 | rudi_s | Hi. Is it possible to get a list of programs which are (partially) swapped out? |
| 16:07.47 | Arafangion | huh: Install them simultaniously. |
| 16:07.53 | huh | how? |
| 16:08.18 | Arafangion | huh: How would you normally install a package? |
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| 16:08.41 | huh | gdebi (gui) |
| 16:09.06 | wols | huh: what happens if you install build-essential? |
| 16:09.08 | impulse | jhutchins_lt: dmesg just tells me it discovered a new usb device.. thats it |
| 16:09.30 | wols | impulse: if will tell you more if it's not simply broken |
| 16:09.37 | huh | im trying to install build-essential offline |
| 16:09.48 | Arafangion | On the assumption that gdebi can only install packages simultaniously, then installing a virtual package that references both would likely work. |
| 16:10.00 | Arafangion | On the assumption that gdebi can only install packages *individually*. |
| 16:10.01 | impulse | (ohh small note, the host only has a usb 1.1 controller |
| 16:10.13 | wols | huh: dpkg -i <list of .deb files> |
| 16:10.15 | huh | downdloading each package, but this 2 packages are the problem |
| 16:10.36 | wols | huh: and I just gave you the solution for it |
| 16:10.37 | impulse | wols: the device works on an other computer running linux |
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| 16:10.52 | wols | impulse: then what does dmesg say exactly? |
| 16:11.10 | huh | thanks wols, ill try it |
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| 16:11.40 | impulse | wols: http://pastebin.com/rV9MEKW3 |
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| 16:13.33 | wols | impulse: modprobe cdc_subset ? |
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| 16:15.42 | impulse | wols: same... on linux computer where it does work. cdc_eem gets loaded. (I'm safe to asume that cdc_eem is cdc_ethers replacement right?) |
| 16:15.48 | huh | thanks a lot wols, it works! :) |
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| 16:18.53 | fizzz | hi--is there an IRC-channel for coreutils or where do I point questions about su? |
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| 16:23.09 | JeroenDeDauw | It's an impulse o_O |
| 16:23.21 | Lomba | Hello |
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| 16:23.52 | Adolf666 | hai mars la cacat |
| 16:25.08 | maligor | fizzz, if it's just a use case question and the system is debian, then you can ask it here |
| 16:25.57 | fizzz | I thinl |
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| 16:26.58 | fizzz | k the question ist general, but: if I su -c program, then there is a stale/idle su-process and program is run as a sub-process--can this be avoided? I.e. program should exec su instead? |
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| 16:30.58 | jhutchins_lt | fizzz: No. |
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| 16:31.37 | fizzz | jhutchins_lt: ok, ic...-.- thank you |
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| 16:36.29 | Rockj | Hey. I have a simple question: how can I affect the PATH to www-data which apache is run under? Im simply trying to add my rubygems to PATH (/var/lib/gems/1.8/) , but ive tried both adding it into /etc/profile , inserting it from /etc/default/apache2 /etc/login.defs without any success. |
| 16:36.47 | Rockj | shouldn't it show up in $PATH after I've done "su www-data -s /bin/bash -" ? |
| 16:37.19 | hidensoft | i need to install nvidia driver for Geforce Gt 425m , i really need help ! |
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| 16:39.56 | hidensoft | i see the blank screen after configuration X , any idea |
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| 16:40.56 | Lomba | can you tell me what configuration now? |
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| 16:41.14 | jelly-home | hidensoft: which debian release? which driver are you using? |
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| 16:43.44 | mooperd | Hello, is there some nice documentation to read about doing spanning tree on debian? cas examples etc? |
| 16:43.51 | mooperd | case examples |
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| 16:44.08 | hidensoft | jelly-home, debian 6 , my graphic card is Nvidia Geforce Gt 425m |
| 16:44.55 | Lomba | mooperd, What you need exactly? |
| 16:45.11 | Lomba | mooperd, have available the wiki |
| 16:45.50 | mooperd | Lomba: My boss is asking me to connect an infiniband network to the company network and have all IB ports on that network routable to and from our company network. |
| 16:46.56 | Lomba | mooperd, I can help with networking, what you have now so we can review? |
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| 16:47.36 | dondelelcaro | mooperd: normally the switches do STP, not hosts |
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| 16:48.30 | mooperd | I want to use a debian computer with an ethernet port and an ethernet port as a bridge. The company network uses STP so the bridge (debian computer) should be aware of the STP in order for the routes to work......I think |
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| 16:48.57 | mooperd | dondelelcaro: yes, but if your using a debian box as a switch? |
| 16:48.58 | dondelelcaro | mooperd: nah, it doesn't need STP unless it needs to be aware of the possibility of loops |
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| 16:49.48 | mooperd | dondelelcaro: indeed. We shall probably use more than one debian computer to bridge the ethernet and IB networks. herein lies the loop |
| 16:50.02 | mooperd | unless of course you cant use a debian computer in this manner |
| 16:50.20 | hidensoft | no idea ? i trying for more than 4 hour to install nvidia driver , i got black screen after restart :(( |
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| 16:50.54 | jelly-home | hidensoft: I s'pose you installed the drier the debian way? Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 16:50.59 | wols | hidensoft: .run installer from nvidia.com or via debian repos? |
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| 16:51.00 | jelly-home | driver, even |
| 16:51.44 | hidensoft | jelly-home, ok , give me a minute |
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| 16:52.02 | mooperd | I was just wondering if anyone had some nice examples |
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| 16:52.21 | skrull | mooperd http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/index.html |
| 16:52.23 | dondelelcaro | mooperd: brctl is what you'd use to do that; it does STP within itself, but I'm not sure how it'd interact over IB |
| 16:52.33 | ranjan | hi all , is it possible to install debian from a iso located in the harddisk? |
| 16:52.44 | hidensoft | wols, i try that before , look at this : http://paste.debian.net/129591/ |
| 16:52.47 | mooperd | dondelelcaro: it should just work :) |
| 16:52.50 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ranjan about ig |
| 16:53.16 | dondelelcaro | mooperd: yeah, by default it should have STP on, iirc. |
| 16:53.34 | dondelelcaro | mooperd: but you can control it using brctl if you want, too |
| 16:53.38 | wols | hidensoft: we don't support that .run installer. we only support the debian way of installing nvidia drivers. for the .run installer, ask #nvidia |
| 16:53.43 | mooperd | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 16:53.47 | dondelelcaro | mooperd: np |
| 16:53.49 | dondelelcaro | mooperd: good luck! |
| 16:53.57 | mooperd | I think I'm gonna need it |
| 16:54.20 | hidensoft | wols, oh sorry i trying both way |
| 16:54.25 | mat619 | So, I'm back... and I couldn't find a full ISO of Etch yet, any ideas where to find that? The archive only includes the net install and business card ISOs. |
| 16:55.03 | wols | !etch |
| 16:55.03 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 16:55.19 | mat619 | !etch iso |
| 16:55.19 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/4.0_r9/ . Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. Security support for Etch ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. |
| 16:55.35 | mat619 | well yeah, been there, found nothing. |
| 16:55.45 | mat619 | just the net install and business card. no "real" ISO. |
| 16:55.59 | wols | mat619: try via torrents |
| 16:56.12 | wols | or jigdo |
| 16:56.39 | dondelelcaro | mat619: you don't really need the real iso, but if you do, use jigdo |
| 16:57.02 | dondelelcaro | (and there's pretty much no reason to be installing etch anyway) |
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| 16:57.26 | mat619 | dondelelcaro: well I do, since the machine is not on the internet and can't be connected to it (at least not without turning the whole house upside down) |
| 16:57.45 | wols | mat619: that doesn't explain why you would want to install etch |
| 16:57.47 | mat619 | and there IS a reason to try installing etch for me, since both lenny and squeeze fail during install. |
| 16:57.52 | dbbo | how do you 'reload' your groups without logging out |
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| 16:58.04 | dondelelcaro | mat619: how do they fail? |
| 16:59.08 | mat619 | both stall during software selection and installation, tty4 shows seg faults during debootstrap and errors saying dpkg didn't configure dependent packages. |
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| 16:59.43 | hidensoft | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/KrJv1DNS |
| 16:59.47 | mat619 | squeeze sometimes gets as far as the bootloader, but fails there then. |
| 16:59.59 | LocoenelCoco | how to disable the screen lock when idle o ubuntu11? |
| 17:00.10 | mat619 | whereas sometimes means "with some CD/DVDs", I tried different live and install images |
| 17:00.16 | LocoenelCoco | i tried disabile those power manage option but it didnt worked |
| 17:00.17 | ompaul | mat619: how old is the box? |
| 17:00.36 | dondelelcaro | mat619: if you're getting segfaults during the install, that's not a good sign |
| 17:00.56 | mat619 | ompaul: not that much in fact, but the technology used on it is ancient - it's a VIA C3 based board, which means no support past i586 as far as the feature set goes |
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| 17:01.24 | mat619 | dondelelcaro: yup, I know, which is why i swapped the RAM and tested both sticks, but they're fine. :( |
| 17:01.44 | jelly-home | hidensoft: your configuration isn't complete. In particular, you're missing explicit usage of "nvidia" driver in xorg.conf, and it also seems the kernel nouveau driver isn't blacklisted |
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| 17:02.05 | jelly-home | hidensoft: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 17:02.16 | dondelelcaro | mat619: oh; ISTR some issues with viac3 based machines... they're missing some fairly critical opcodes that even i586 actually have |
| 17:02.41 | hidensoft | jelly-home: tell me what i need to do ? |
| 17:02.45 | mat619 | dondelelcaro: okay? nice to know! :( what do I do then? |
| 17:02.46 | jelly-home | hidensoft: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 17:03.03 | hidensoft | i see the tutorial in wiki.debian |
| 17:03.45 | jelly-home | hidensoft: this one http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers ? |
| 17:04.00 | hidensoft | jelly-home, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:04.01 | mat619 | i don't mind if the distro is outdated, as long as there are still repos available to get some pretty standard stuff (i.e. samba, VNC, ssh server) |
| 17:04.10 | hidensoft | yes its that |
| 17:04.12 | mat619 | so if I knew etch would work, I'd try that. |
| 17:04.43 | dondelelcaro | mat619: you need to make sure you're using the 486 kernel, and IIRC, you may have some issues with things using CMOV and other common instructions |
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| 17:05.35 | dondelelcaro | mat619: but assuming the installer actaully boots and is using the 486 kernel, it shouldn't fail. If you're getting random failures, then something is wrong with the hardware |
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| 17:05.54 | jelly-home | hidensoft: ok. Do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file present? |
| 17:05.55 | hidensoft | jelly-home, i do anything in that page but i got some error look this : http://paste.debian.net/129592/ |
| 17:06.25 | jelly-home | hidensoft: you don't need to do that when using a Debian provided kernel. |
| 17:06.43 | hidensoft | jelly-home: after i change xorg.conf and restart the system i got black screen |
| 17:06.52 | jelly-home | hidensoft: here, try this instead: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 17:06.53 | mat619 | dondelelcaro: they're not particulary random. if i try the same installation from the same media, it always gets stuck at the same step - first during debootstrap/dpkg installation of debconf and unixtutils. |
| 17:07.24 | mat619 | dondelelcaro: so it seems at some place some binary code fails to run, but not completely. might be instruction related, yeah. |
| 17:08.03 | hidensoft | jelly-home: so ? |
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| 17:08.23 | jelly-home | hidensoft: sorry? |
| 17:08.24 | mat619 | dondelelcaro: AFAIK the C3 emulates some "rarely" (whatever that means) used instructions, because it doesn't have them implemented in a normal manner. might be one of those misbehaving. |
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| 17:09.05 | hidensoft | jelly-home: no i mean , i should run command that dpkg says ? |
| 17:09.17 | mat619 | dondelelcaro: do you think I could have a chance getting it going with an older release like Etch? As I said, I couldn't care less if the release is up to date, as long as I can still find some packages I need (samba, VNC, stuff like that) |
| 17:09.37 | jelly-home | hidensoft: it's a nubmer of commands. Yes. |
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| 17:14.47 | tyrrexrrg | Hello |
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| 17:15.00 | dlyneswork | Is there a way to tell apt-get install to forcefully reinstall a package? i.e. it currently detects that it's already installed, and I want to reinstall it |
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| 17:15.51 | babilen | dlyneswork: "aptitude reinstall" "apt-get --reinstall install" -- But what are you trying to achieve by that? |
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| 17:19.07 | dlyneswork | babilen, reinstall the kernel and modules, because an install of a wireless network driver pooched some wired drivers because it overwrote the usbnet driver |
| 17:19.27 | Guus_ | Anyone in here that would like to help us with packaging #openteacher? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/682852 |
| 17:20.00 | iderik | Is the any similar emulators like Wine for games? I cant remember the names of them |
| 17:20.07 | iderik | liek Cross something |
| 17:20.18 | alazare619 | crossgaming |
| 17:20.20 | alazare619 | cedega |
| 17:20.21 | babilen | dlyneswork: Sounds as if you made a mistake during the wifi-driver installation. Which adaptor is it? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
| 17:20.26 | jhutchins_lt | Crossover Office is the comercial version of wine. |
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| 17:20.44 | fossala | It's more than just a comercial version. |
| 17:21.00 | iderik | Is there anyone for free? |
| 17:21.00 | alazare619 | crossoveroffice is just the microsoft office squiet crossover gaming is the gaming version and you can get crossover suite wich does both |
| 17:21.12 | alazare619 | crossover donates to wine btw cedega doesnt |
| 17:21.25 | wols | when was squeeze frozen? august 2010? |
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| 17:22.14 | mat619 | are the i386 releases btw in fact actually all i386 code only? some distros seem to refer to anything pre-i686 as "i386"! |
| 17:22.44 | wols | mat619: i686 is refered to as i386 arch too in debian. 32bit x86= i386 |
| 17:23.06 | dlyneswork | babilen, compat-wireless package that a coworker downloaded off the net from somewhere |
| 17:23.19 | dlyneswork | babilen, It updates some of the network drivers, but not all |
| 17:23.45 | babilen | dlyneswork: Installing that sounds like a bad idea ... Hope you can sort out your problems though :) |
| 17:23.47 | wols | mat619: afaik any x86 cpu from i80486 onwards can run debian |
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| 17:24.07 | dlyneswork | babilen, yeah...well...I'd never be so desperate to get wireless working to try that :) |
| 17:24.13 | wols | babilen: nor always a bad idea :) |
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| 17:24.17 | dlyneswork | babilen, I'd rather just use a wireless bridge |
| 17:24.43 | mat619 | wols: I'm asking because of my troublesome VIA C3 CPU, which seems to run best with real i386 assembled code or at least i486, but nothing newer than that, according to some sources on the internet |
| 17:24.43 | wols | dlyneswork: can you answer babilen please? |
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| 17:24.45 | Sentencia | hi |
| 17:24.53 | Sentencia | how can i decompress a tar file with corrupted files |
| 17:25.07 | Sentencia | is there a parameter that i don't find to skip the corrupt files? |
| 17:25.18 | dlyneswork | wols, ? |
| 17:25.35 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.44 | babilen | wols: ta :) |
| 17:25.58 | dlyneswork | babilen, ta? |
| 17:26.06 | wols | mat619: why didn't you do what jelly-home suggested? (I think I suggested it too, days past) |
| 17:26.07 | babilen | ta == thank you |
| 17:26.21 | dlyneswork | really? what language? |
| 17:26.34 | mat619 | wols: what do you mean? install debian on the HDD via another system? |
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| 17:26.43 | wols | dlyneswork: ircnese. but please don't distract, but answer |
| 17:26.45 | lord_rob | dlyneswork: irc |
| 17:26.54 | dlyneswork | ah |
| 17:26.56 | wols | mat619: yes |
| 17:26.57 | babilen | british english at least (informal, not used in writing) -- We are getting off-topic though |
| 17:26.58 | MrFrood | dlyneswork: british english slang |
| 17:27.21 | dlyneswork | Anyways...it's whatever intel network adapter is in the Lenovo W520 laptops |
| 17:27.26 | mat619 | wols: because I don't have a system with an IDE controller at hand! would've done days earlier if I could. |
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| 17:27.40 | mat619 | wols: I'm stuck with that stupid VIA C3 box and a laptop here. |
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| 17:28.12 | dlyneswork | PCI ID 8086:0085 |
| 17:28.16 | wols | mat619: then create an image of the new install and copy the image over to your C3 harddisk (live cd) |
| 17:28.28 | wols | ,pciid 8086:0085 |
| 17:28.29 | judd | [8086:0085] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6205' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0085 |
| 17:28.39 | wols | judd: you FAIL |
| 17:28.50 | wols | dlyneswork: have you tried a backports kernel yet? |
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| 17:29.53 | dlyneswork | wols, that's going to be my suggestion to him |
| 17:29.56 | mat619 | wols: that's an idea! will try etch now (found the XFCE r7 iso on a server in switzerland) and if that doesn't work I'll have to fall back to your suggestion |
| 17:30.14 | babilen | dlyneswork: Intel wireless network adaptors are typically very well supported in linux. As this is a sandybridge chipset one you should use a 3.0 kernel, which is unfortunately not yet available in backports. You can build the kernel yourself (from vanilla upstream or Debian) -- I recommend reading http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 17:30.22 | dlyneswork | wols, He's running 2.6.34, so 2.6.35 shouldn't be a stretch for a backport |
| 17:30.40 | wols | dlyneswork: 2.6.34 is not a debian kernel. what debian is he running? |
| 17:31.13 | babilen | dlyneswork: That is not a Debian kernel -- I am not entirely sure about SB support in .39 (which is available in backports) but I can guarantee you that 3.0 performs marvellous. |
| 17:31.17 | dlyneswork | wols, Ubuntu 10.04, which is based on squeeze and sid |
| 17:31.38 | babilen | dlyneswork: Ask in #ubuntu in that case -- We can and will only support Debian in here. |
| 17:31.51 | wols | dlyneswork: no it's not. please ask in #ubuntu for all your further questions |
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| 17:32.08 | dlyneswork | babilen, well, that's why I asked a very debian-specific question...how to reinstall a package :) |
| 17:32.15 | wols | babilen: wlan is not as bad as graphics btw |
| 17:32.38 | babilen | wols: absolutely -- I just know that for the complete SB package a 3.0 kernel is needed |
| 17:33.03 | dlyneswork | wols, even after four or five years, I still haven't been able to get the 3945 chipset working for wireless in Debian |
| 17:33.29 | dlyneswork | wols, It was working back on etch r1, but stopped working with etch r2 to squeeze |
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| 17:33.52 | dlyneswork | babilen, what's 'SB'? |
| 17:34.07 | babilen | dlyneswork: 3945 is very well supported in Debian (I have been using it for years) -- SB is sandybridge (hf. SB) |
| 17:34.13 | dlyneswork | ah |
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| 17:35.20 | dlyneswork | babilen, odd...I was using the Intel driver that I downloaded from their site, and it was working originally...since etch r2, I haven't been able to get intel's drivers or the ones that ship with the kernel to work on etch r2-3, squeeze, or sid |
| 17:35.39 | dlyneswork | babilen, perhaps it could just be my particular laptop (toshiba satellite) |
| 17:36.03 | babilen | dlyneswork: Are you using that particular laptop with squeeze right now? |
| 17:36.08 | dlyneswork | babilen, yes |
| 17:36.27 | dlyneswork | babilen, not in front of me, however...it's at home....mandated to use Ubuntu at work |
| 17:37.19 | jhutchins_lt | dlyneswork: The intel graphics drivers in squeeze were fixed a couple of weeks before the official release. |
| 17:37.32 | jhutchins_lt | dlyneswork: As far as I know there are no issues as released in Lenny. |
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| 17:37.39 | dlyneswork | jhutchins_lt, ? We were talking about the wireless drivers |
| 17:37.43 | babilen | dlyneswork: Ok, in that case: Please come back once you have access to your computer. |
| 17:37.50 | dlyneswork | babilen, heh |
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| 17:38.00 | babilen | dlyneswork: Ok, do you have the firmware-iwlwifi installed? Could you paste the output of "uname -a" and "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945 ; dmesg | tail -n 23" to http://paste.debian.net please? (would have been my original question) |
| 17:38.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ah,intel wireless. Yeah, need access for any meaningful troubleshooting, as they generally do work. |
| 17:38.27 | dlyneswork | jhutchins_lt, Ok...I'll try when I get home tonight, then |
| 17:38.32 | babilen | sure |
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| 17:38.49 | dlyneswork | Got my versions mixed up, however...It's squeeze i'm running at home, not sid |
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| 17:39.06 | jhutchins_lt | dlyneswork: Very much better. |
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| 17:44.00 | kristian-aalborg | hi ppl |
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| 17:44.50 | kristian-aalborg | hurm, how do I set the nice skinny font I boot into as default... in the framebuffer, that is |
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| 17:46.11 | hans12345 | hi |
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| 17:46.52 | hans12345 | i just installed lenny, got internet connectio working, but after install theres no internet connection |
| 17:47.20 | hans12345 | it is saying no available device found |
| 17:49.18 | mat619 | okay. damn. Etch fails as well during installation.. "apt-get install or in-target is already running, so you cannot run either of them again until the other instance finishes." leading to "Configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1" |
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| 17:51.13 | joe6 | how do I get beep to work? xset seems to think beep is on: http://codepad.org/3wwfWomY |
| 17:51.21 | joe6 | is there any way to test it from the command line? |
| 17:51.44 | joe6 | the gnome-terminal terminal bell is on, gnome preferences beep is at high |
| 17:52.02 | joe6 | and the pcspkr module seems to be loaded |
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| 17:53.32 | joe6 | any other thing I can check for? |
| 17:54.09 | joe6 | echo -e '\a' does not beep |
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| 17:54.33 | joe6 | xkbbell does not beep |
| 17:54.40 | hans12345 | i managed to install debian lenny with networking cd, but after the installation there is no internet device being found |
| 17:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | hans12345: What is your chipset? |
| 17:55.33 | hans12345 | i have a toshiba tecra 8000 intel pentium II |
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| 17:56.20 | jhutchins_lt | hans12345: That doesn't tell me the wireless chipset. lspci -nn |
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| 17:56.49 | hans12345 | it hasnt got a wireless device, just a realtec lan jacket connection |
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| 17:58.15 | hans12345 | will try lspci -nn when i restarted lenny |
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| 18:00.29 | pujger | Ray raprezhna |
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| 18:00.48 | pujger | would someone be willing to download the debian google earth from http://earth.google.com for me and upload it to megaupload or mediafire or something |
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| 18:01.24 | pujger | And if you ask "Why not download it from Google yourself?" I will answer: Because I don't want to sign the license agreement because I might use it for stalking |
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| 18:02.21 | echo083 | enum value to string, easy solution ? |
| 18:02.39 | ompaul | then nobody can do that for you because they would be aiding and abetting a stalker |
| 18:02.55 | mat619 | pujger: if I'm not completely mistaken google earth will ask you again to confirm the license agreement on the first start... at least it did that some years ago when I last used it |
| 18:03.31 | pujger | it doesn't for me |
| 18:03.40 | hans12345 | jhutchins lspci -nn is saying intel corporation 440BX/ZX/DX amongst other information |
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| 18:03.54 | pujger | I checked intitle:"Index of/" GoogleEarthLinux on google and could only get the redhat bin that requires LSB 4.0 to install |
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| 18:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | hans12345: The purpose of the -nn option is to obtain the eight character pciid of the networking device. |
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| 18:05.54 | cheater | hey guys |
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| 18:06.34 | cheater | i have a list of packages that are installed. i need the package tarballs in my apt cache. what is the best way to get apt to download them? |
| 18:06.44 | cheater | without reinstalling them |
| 18:06.55 | pujger | What'z a good cheap live CD that can be used to run resize2fs |
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| 18:08.27 | hans12345 | jhutchins it is showing me host bridge, vga controller, ide interface, usb controller, bridge, communication controller, cardbus bridge |
| 18:08.55 | mat619 | pujger: the gparted live cd should do it |
| 18:09.32 | pujger | Will the DebianNetInstall CD have it? |
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| 18:17.34 | jason404 | does anybody know why `hostname -A` returns two fqdns on my rackspace vps, but only one on amazon ec2 (which is not the one I gave it myself) |
| 18:18.42 | pujger | well |
| 18:20.12 | sdx23 | cheater: the option "-d" of apt-get is known to you? |
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| 18:22.55 | cheater | sdx23, let me look at that! |
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| 18:23.32 | cheater | sdx23, i also need it to download the package in the same version as is installed |
| 18:23.35 | cheater | how would i do that? |
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| 18:33.40 | mikemol | apt-file update && apt-file find wx-config; # shows a man page for wx-config(1) in wx-common, but doesn't find an executable. |
| 18:33.54 | mikemol | Is it just me, or does that seem bad somehow? |
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| 18:35.57 | sdx23 | cheater: hm, more difficult. something like pinning the version and reinstall -d it comes to my mind but i doubt that being pretty. |
| 18:36.40 | cheater | sdx23, i just need the file in the cache dir |
| 18:36.58 | cheater | i want to do it without writing to the apt database |
| 18:37.03 | somiaj | mikemol: is wx-confg a config file or an excutable -- it could just be the man page for the config options, so it could be perfectally fine to only have a man page |
| 18:37.21 | cheater | i need to do it because i have had data loss and need to find broken or missing files with debsums |
| 18:37.25 | cheater | but debsums needs the debs |
| 18:37.32 | somiaj | mikemol: the binary from that pacakge is /usr/bin/wxrc |
| 18:37.35 | mikemol | somiaj: It's supposed to be an executable; you run it to get the flags you pass to gcc if you want to use wx-widgets |
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| 18:38.41 | mikemol | It looks like wxrc is a completely different animal |
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| 18:40.25 | somiaj | mikemol: check the bts, maybe there was a reason its not there, if you think its a bug file a bug report |
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| 18:40.39 | mikemol | nods |
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| 18:43.10 | ben10 | hello people!!! |
| 18:43.18 | ben10 | i am happey to be here and also honored |
| 18:43.18 | afat | hey |
| 18:43.26 | ben10 | people |
| 18:43.32 | ben10 | i have a question |
| 18:43.42 | ben10 | why is windows much more better then lunix? |
| 18:43.52 | afat | hmm |
| 18:44.00 | afat | that's a good question. |
| 18:44.04 | ben10 | yes |
| 18:44.06 | ben10 | thank you |
| 18:44.08 | afat | I think more people use it. |
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| 18:44.20 | ben10 | ahhh |
| 18:44.22 | thewanderer1 | I think that's because Windows exists and Lunix does not. |
| 18:44.23 | afat | and well it has all kinds of things an user needs. |
| 18:44.34 | ben10 | yes yes |
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| 18:44.43 | ben10 | now it makes it more clear for me afat |
| 18:44.43 | afat | ben10 he is playing with your spelling error. |
| 18:44.44 | jaakkos | and all kinds of things an troll need |
| 18:44.51 | afat | we meant linux. |
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| 18:45.01 | ben10 | so |
| 18:45.04 | thewanderer1 | jaakkos: I think he's actually trolling HIMSELF ("we") |
| 18:45.12 | afat | jaakkos what is that? |
| 18:45.23 | ben10 | yeah |
| 18:45.23 | thewanderer1 | (also notice the join time... coincidence?) |
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| 18:45.30 | kristian-aalborg | 100 USD question: upon a fresh install, the font color in the framebuffer should be... green?... or white? |
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| 18:45.36 | afat | ben10 I think windows is good because so many people use it. |
| 18:45.42 | afat | and well |
| 18:45.46 | ben10 | jaakkos are you a woman |
| 18:45.50 | amoe | we be nice to them, if they be nice to us! |
| 18:45.53 | ben10 | yeah |
| 18:45.55 | ben10 | but |
| 18:45.58 | afat | you can buy shares in it ben10. |
| 18:46.03 | afat | does linux have shares? |
| 18:46.12 | ben10 | i wonder if the people that works on....lunix get paid.. |
| 18:46.14 | ben10 | do thay |
| 18:46.15 | ben10 | afat? |
| 18:46.18 | ben10 | they* |
| 18:46.50 | afat | not really |
| 18:47.00 | ben10 | sounds stinky |
| 18:47.03 | afat | thats the point you cant make cash with linux. |
| 18:47.08 | afat | it's useless |
| 18:47.09 | d3c | I have a completely newbie question that I'd like to learn more about: can an IP like 10.0.0.1 connect to an IP like 10.0.1.1 and if not, where can I read more about those basics? (what's the exact topic I'm looking for--CIDR?) |
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| 18:47.11 | ben10 | yeah |
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| 18:47.23 | ben10 | i wonder if one day lunix will be as good as windows |
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| 18:47.50 | afat | no, |
| 18:47.55 | afat | slim chance |
| 18:47.56 | ben10 | bill gates throws penis milk on lunix head |
| 18:48.02 | afat | like finding life in space benn |
| 18:48.06 | ben10 | i see afat |
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| 18:48.28 | afat | ben10, you know, windows has a monopoly because linux exists. |
| 18:48.31 | ben10 | its very sad...now that i understand |
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| 18:48.52 | afat | if linux didn't exits windows wouldn't be a monopoly. |
| 18:48.52 | ben10 | so i recommend everyone |
| 18:48.56 | ben10 | to leave this room |
| 18:49.00 | ben10 | and join #windows |
| 18:49.06 | afat | XD |
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| 18:49.12 | afat | exactly |
| 18:49.31 | afat | the concept is rediculus. |
| 18:49.32 | ben10 | because it has no meaning |
| 18:49.45 | ben10 | all the softwares that lunix has sucks |
| 18:49.53 | ben10 | blender vs maya |
| 18:49.58 | ben10 | gimp vs photoshop |
| 18:50.00 | ben10 | or |
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| 18:50.12 | ben10 | open office vs microsoft office |
| 18:50.14 | GNU\colossus | hi there |
| 18:50.15 | amoe | ben10, do you like windows? |
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| 18:50.39 | ben10 | amoe do you love to use windows softwares |
| 18:50.42 | afat | yes expanding on that gimp has support on 8-bit whilest photoshop has 16. |
| 18:50.45 | ben10 | and windows it self? |
| 18:50.53 | afat | gimp didn't WANT to change... |
| 18:50.57 | afat | i wonder. |
| 18:50.59 | ben10 | yes!!that correct afat |
| 18:51.01 | GNU\colossus | my most recent build of iceweasel (6.0.2 on amd64) crashes upon visiting http://canv.as/ - anyone able to reproduce? |
| 18:51.08 | ben10 | and in gimp you cannot |
| 18:51.13 | ben10 | make the panel |
| 18:51.18 | ben10 | panels* |
| 18:51.23 | amoe | GNU\colossus: works for me |
| 18:51.27 | ben10 | in a...decent way |
| 18:51.31 | boudiccas | GNU\colossus; what would you like to reproduce? |
| 18:51.36 | GNU\colossus | amoe, same version, same arch? |
| 18:51.41 | afat | I mean thats rediculus in this modern world of graphics... |
| 18:51.41 | amoe | 6.0.2 iceweasel sid amd64 |
| 18:51.43 | GNU\colossus | boudiccas, the crash I experience |
| 18:52.00 | GNU\colossus | amoe, I see, I'm using it on stable |
| 18:52.03 | amoe | i mean, I haven't tried to do anything with the site yet |
| 18:52.16 | thewanderer1 | no sid/iceweasel here, only Squeeze - this one works fine |
| 18:52.16 | amoe | GNU\colossus: disable all addons and try |
| 18:52.35 | GNU\colossus | my install is totally vanilla and virgin. no addons, no plugins. |
| 18:52.46 | amoe | freaky |
| 18:53.10 | GNU\colossus | ah, I see. seems to be related to some webgl gimmick, I guess |
| 18:53.18 | GNU\colossus | "Can't find symbol 'glXBindTexImageEXT' |
| 18:53.18 | GNU\colossus | Can't find symbol 'glXReleaseTexImageEXT' |
| 18:53.18 | GNU\colossus | Segmentation fault" |
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| 18:54.39 | amoe | you might try #debian-mozilla on oftc, sounds like a bug |
| 18:54.51 | amoe | or misconfigured GL... dunno if GL is working otherwise |
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| 18:55.08 | GNU\colossus | it is :) |
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| 18:55.12 | amoe | maybe you can just switch off webgl as a workaround |
| 18:55.12 | corecode | hi there |
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| 18:55.21 | amoe | hi corecode |
| 18:55.23 | GNU\colossus | yup, that's possible |
| 18:55.34 | corecode | is there a way to move from ubuntu to debian? |
| 18:55.50 | n-iCe | clean install corecode |
| 18:55.53 | corecode | or mix in debian packages? |
| 18:56.00 | corecode | meh. |
| 18:56.05 | amoe | you can probably mix in debian packages, although it might cause fuckery |
| 18:56.07 | corecode | i just installed this machine |
| 18:56.12 | GNU\colossus | the site indeed works after disabling webgl in about:config |
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| 18:56.25 | amoe | I mean, with dpkg -i |
| 18:56.30 | amoe | i wouldn't trust apt-get |
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| 18:57.28 | jelly-home | corecode: there's no sane way apart from an install |
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| 18:57.36 | boudiccas | corecode; backup, and do a fresh install of debian. thats the only guaranteed way |
| 18:58.04 | thewanderer1 | corecode: it might be possible to debootstrap(8) a Debian from Ubuntu, but it's equivalent to a clean install anyway |
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| 19:04.45 | corecode | ok |
| 19:04.46 | corecode | thanks |
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| 19:05.19 | cheater | sdx23, it seems that all the packages are in current versions. if i do apt-get -d install pkg then will that change its "installed manually" status? |
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| 19:12.54 | n-iCe | how can I make my mousepad like a left click? |
| 19:13.01 | n-iCe | I mean, when I tap it |
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| 19:13.53 | Kromgol | Why does my root crontab refuse to work? |
| 19:13.58 | Iridos | a mousepad is the thing you roll your mouse over all the time, it's quite unresponsive, as a rule, when you tap it :-P |
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| 19:14.13 | Kromgol | I only got "0 */4 * * * /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot hourly |
| 19:14.13 | Kromgol | 30 23 * * * /usr/local/bin/rsnapshot daily" in it which works fine normally. |
| 19:14.23 | Iridos | but for the touchpad, I thought that was enabled by default? |
| 19:14.27 | Kromgol | Oh nvm |
| 19:14.31 | Kromgol | Just meb eing stupid |
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| 19:14.40 | intruder | no, its disabled by default |
| 19:14.46 | intruder | n-iCe: using gnome ? |
| 19:15.04 | boudiccas | Kromgol; you use rsnapshot for your backups? i used to until it ate my hard drive space twice! |
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| 19:15.13 | Iridos | was enabled in lenny? |
| 19:15.14 | Kromgol | boudiccas: I got 4TB, so np :P |
| 19:15.18 | n-iCe | intruder: yes |
| 19:15.31 | Kromgol | I only backup some folders in / as well |
| 19:15.32 | Kromgol | Not all |
| 19:15.37 | intruder | n-iCe: System > Preference > Mouse, hit the Touchpad tab, check the box |
| 19:15.39 | n-iCe | Iridos: indeed when you tap it it used to work to click |
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| 19:15.45 | Kromgol | So it's fine. |
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| 19:16.05 | n-iCe | AWESOME |
| 19:16.09 | n-iCe | thanks intruder ! |
| 19:16.24 | intruder | np |
| 19:16.28 | Iridos | or synclient TapButton1=1 ? |
| 19:16.40 | n-iCe | last thing, what should I install to work sites which asks java script |
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| 19:17.00 | Iridos | a browser? |
| 19:17.02 | intruder | Iridos: this would only work with synaptics touchpad I guess |
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| 19:17.20 | Iridos | intruder, I thought all touchpads used the synaptics driver? |
| 19:17.32 | n-iCe | Iridos: ..., what package, I have a browser |
| 19:17.41 | Iridos | never heard of any other... but must admit didn't read too much on it |
| 19:17.54 | intruder | Iridos: elantech among others |
| 19:18.12 | babilen | n-iCe: You need to install java (openjdk-jre) and a suitable browser plugin (icedtea-plugin) -- /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:18.13 | Iridos | n-iCe, all common browsers support javascript... perhaps you're not asking the <real question> |
| 19:18.25 | n-iCe | babilen: I did, did not work |
| 19:18.27 | Iridos | or you just wrote javascript instead of java |
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| 19:18.38 | philpem | I'm trying to run a mixed stable/testing system, but Apt seems to want to upgrade everything to 'testing' (basically it's ignoring the "APT::Default-Release "stable";" line in /etc/apt/apt.conf). Can anyone help with this? |
| 19:18.41 | n-iCe | root@debian:/home/nice# apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
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| 19:18.50 | babilen | n-iCe: If you are OTOH really talking about javascript then it should work out of the box with most browsers |
| 19:18.55 | intruder | Iridos: you might wanna get sun-java6-jre instead of openjdk |
| 19:19.02 | Iridos | intruder, not me! |
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| 19:19.10 | Iridos | him! |
| 19:19.13 | hesco | Can someone please explain the significance of Host_Alias in /etc/sudoers? I have a rule which says: DRUPAL_USERS LOCALHOST=(DRUPAL_1001) ALL ; but when from a remote location I run: ssh root@173.0.52.102 "sudo -u drupal touch ~drupal/hesco_was_here" it updates the time stamp on my test file |
| 19:19.16 | n-iCe | and installed, sun-java6-plugin |
| 19:19.21 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | How to install KDE 3.x in Squeeze? |
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| 19:19.31 | hesco | LOCALHOST meaning here 127.0.0.1, as usual. |
| 19:19.34 | n-iCe | sun-java6-jre is already the newest version. |
| 19:19.37 | babilen | philpem: Don't use "stable" but "squeeze" -- It has to match your configuration in /etc/apt/sources.list though |
| 19:19.56 | n-iCe | but the site still says This website requires Javascript |
| 19:20.11 | thewanderer1 | sh4d3sl4y3r_: this is not provided by Debian. you can try Trinity Project, but this is unsupported here. |
| 19:20.12 | babilen | n-iCe: javascript is not java |
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| 19:20.23 | intruder | n-iCe: check the Enable javascript box |
| 19:20.24 | philpem | babilen, tried "squeeze", still no luck. |
| 19:20.27 | n-iCe | and I asked what to install, and you told me to install java I think :p |
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| 19:20.58 | n-iCe | it is checked in google chrome, Allow all sites to run JavaScript (recommended) |
| 19:21.04 | philpem | here's my /etc/apt/sources.list: http://pastebin.com/s8ynW2Tx |
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| 19:22.30 | babilen | philpem: Please paste your /etc/apt/apt.conf and the output of "apt-cache policy" as well please |
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| 19:23.07 | babilen | n-iCe: javascript should work in that case -- It might be a problem with that particular website though, please also try a different browser such as iceweasel too |
| 19:23.38 | philpem | babilen, http://pastebin.com/NF4dGNDg |
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| 19:24.17 | iateadonut | have you ever used another distro like mandriva? |
| 19:24.17 | iateadonut | what is it about the development cycle of debian that everything works so well, and seems to keep working from one version to the next? |
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| 19:25.07 | babilen | philpem: Did you run "apt-get update" after creating the apt.conf? |
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| 19:25.17 | philpem | babilen, yup |
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| 19:26.24 | somiaj | iateadonut: "when its ready", they do a lot of testing and really try to limit any bugs in upgrading and installing offical pacakges. But its also the same reason packages are 'out of date' by many peoples standards |
| 19:26.33 | babilen | philpem: Strange, nothing really meets my eye except for that virtualbox repo -- Give me a second, there might just be a very small error hiding somewhere |
| 19:26.46 | philpem | babilen, ok, just re-ran apt-get update. now the Testing packages are at 550, and Squeeze is at 990. |
| 19:26.54 | philpem | babilen, sorry, testing is at 500 |
| 19:26.59 | d3c | can IPs 10.0.0.1 and 192.168.0.1 communicate on a LAN? if not, where can I read more about those basics? |
| 19:27.16 | babilen | philpem: perfect -- no idea why it wasn't picked in the first place though |
| 19:27.25 | philpem | babilen, squeeze backports is at 100 though, which is odd. it seems to be prioritising TESTING over SQUEEZE-BACKPORTS |
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| 19:27.40 | philpem | which is screwing up apt-get -- it wants to remove LibreOffice and Amarok |
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| 19:28.30 | nkuttler | d3c: #networking i guess. you need to route the traffic. many nics also support multiple IPs |
| 19:28.35 | babilen | philpem: Yes, but you would use -t squeeze-backports anyway -- Please note that mixing stable with wheezy/sid is absolutely not supported and will cause pain and tears. A saner way is to backports packages yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) or just run pure wheezy |
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| 19:29.51 | d3c | nkuttler: will try #networking, thanks |
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| 19:30.07 | philpem | babilen, what would you suggest? i'm fairly new to debian -- used to use ubuntu until 11.04 came out (that turned my machine from "pretty fast" to "snail") |
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| 19:30.31 | philpem | babilen, the main thing i don't want to break are the nvidia drivers and virtualbox |
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| 19:30.33 | babilen | philpem: I would suggest not to mix stable with anything but squeeze-backports |
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| 19:31.05 | philpem | babilen, so either upgrade entirely to testing or backport? |
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| 19:31.34 | jhutchins | philpem: backport |
| 19:31.55 | philpem | jhutchins, thanks. |
| 19:33.27 | philpem | but i already have a few evince packages (and its dependencies) from testing -- how can I remove these and force them back to stable or stable-backports? |
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| 19:35.30 | babilen | philpem: Ok, lets assess the amount of damage you have already caused. Could you remove wheezy/sid from your sources.list, run "apt-get update" and then the command in "/msg dpkg not available" + "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1". Paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 19:37.07 | philpem | babilen, um, "/msg dpkg ..." doesn't seem to do anything. |
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| 19:37.50 | babilen | philpem: That is a command you have to execute in your IRC client. It will sent a private message to our bot (dpkg) which will cause it to tell you about "not available" |
| 19:37.55 | thewanderer1a | philpem: try it now, dpkg was disconnected for a moment |
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| 19:39.13 | philpem | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/129626/ |
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| 19:40.52 | babilen | philpem: Well, one method is to pin squeeze to a priority >= 1001 (/msg dpkg pinning) after which a "apt-get dist-upgrade" should downgrade the packages. That might or might not work though. |
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| 19:41.14 | babilen | philpem: Note that you really should remove wheezy/sid from your sources.list asap |
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| 19:42.12 | philpem | babilen, already have |
| 19:42.33 | jeeger | Greetings! I'm trying to install pure-ftpd on a virtuozzo server. For that, I need to recompile pure-ftpd without capabilities support (as per http://bitnode.net/comment/124). However, when I execute apt-get build-dep pure-ftpd, I get the error that the build dependecies could not be satisfied. My sources.list file is here: http://pastebin.com/QgCzeWij. Can anybody tell me why this happens? |
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| 19:43.16 | babilen | good -- If this installation is not too old you might want to consider a reinstall. But try the pinning/downgrading approach first. You don't have that many and first and firemost not that essential installed from wheezy |
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| 19:45.27 | hesco | where would be a good channel to get sudo help? |
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| 19:46.14 | philpem | babilen, when I pin squeeze to 1010, it wants to remove libreoffice and downgrade everything from backports |
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| 19:48.33 | squid | hi all! |
| 19:49.19 | an0 | hesco: what do you need help with? |
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| 19:49.58 | dondelelcaro | philpem: yes, that's pretty much what you're telling it to do |
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| 19:51.44 | philpem | ah ha! |
| 19:52.47 | philpem | took the list from 'dpkg not available' and put it in the package list in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 19:53.09 | philpem | now apt-get upgrade is trying to downgrade poppler, evince et al |
| 19:54.41 | philpem | ok done. |
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| 19:56.40 | boudiccas | how does debian/squeeze handle kernel updates please? does it retain the old kernels just in case theyre needed, and then delete them after a certain number are kept [the RH way]? |
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| 19:58.02 | petemc | boudiccas: they stay until you delete them |
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| 19:58.23 | boudiccas | petemc; ah right, thanks for that |
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| 19:59.13 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
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| 20:02.43 | philpem | fixed! thanks, babilen |
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| 20:03.24 | jeeger | Any help, anyone? I can't get this to work how it should.. |
| 20:03.57 | boudiccas | jeeger; sorry? |
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| 20:04.55 | jeeger | I'm trying to rebuild pure-ftpd without capabilities (see above). However, apt-get build-deps can't find some build dependency (it doesn't tell me which though) |
| 20:05.29 | wols | what is the output? |
| 20:05.58 | jeeger | "E: Build-dependencies for pure-ftpd could not be satisfied" |
| 20:06.29 | wols | boudiccas: depends what and how you install it. if you install it via linux-image-2.6-686, the old ones are overwritten. if you install a linux-image-2.6.32-3-686. then it stays forever |
| 20:06.40 | wols | that is not the output |
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| 20:06.53 | wols | !tell jeeger about bat |
| 20:07.28 | boudiccas | wols; i install my kernel updates via apt-get, so its however that installs it by |
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| 20:09.48 | jeeger | wols: http://paste.debian.net/129638/ |
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| 20:10.14 | boudiccas | wols; sudo apt-get upgrade ..... is the command i use, just bog standard really |
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| 20:20.32 | jeeger | Dammnit, I'll just install another ftp server. If it's this hard to patch... |
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| 20:26.52 | n-iCe | ok I moved all my mic configurations and I cannot hear me |
| 20:26.53 | n-iCe | any idea? |
| 20:27.45 | ompaul | unofficial |
| 20:27.48 | ompaul | woops |
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| 20:31.16 | corecode | ok, i'm adventurous |
| 20:31.38 | corecode | i'll debootstrap into a directory and then move all the gunk into my main system |
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| 20:33.41 | MrRoy | Hey, I'd need some help with my debian installation. I've installed it about an hour ago, and I'm trying to get it to connect to my WPA2 wireless network, right now it is connected to a wireless network unencrypted. GNOME came with the installation and GNOME's network connections I am able to setup a WPA2 connection, although it is unable to connect to it. I tried using "aptitude install wpasupplicant" but it won't install it |
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| 20:35.11 | pujger | Would someone please download the 32-bit .deb (Ubuntu/Linux) from http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
| 20:35.14 | pujger | Then DCC it to me or upload it to http://www.megaupload.com ? |
| 20:35.20 | jeremym | i just used apt-get upgrade and it showed it was getting the 2.6.32-35 kernel but after i reboot i type uname -a and it still says 2.6.32-5 |
| 20:35.20 | pujger | I need it badly, thanks |
| 20:35.21 | MrRoy | "aptitude install wpasupplicant" tells me "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." Would that mean it is already installed? |
| 20:35.30 | pujger | apt-get install googleearth-package doesn't work if I then try and type "googleearth" |
| 20:35.31 | jeremym | is there something special i have to do to upgrade the kernel? |
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| 20:35.47 | pujger | Typing that make-googleearth-package it installs only downloads the GoogleEarthLinux.bin |
| 20:35.51 | pujger | I want the .deb |
| 20:35.51 | jeremym | it shows what i need in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 20:37.41 | zapadlo | MrRoy If you are able to connect your network unencrypted, it means the encryption is not set up. To do so you need to connect to your router is set it up there. |
| 20:38.35 | MrRoy | zapadlo: I know that, I removed the entryption on my network so I would be able to proceed with my debian installation, now I want to set it back to WPA2 and be able to connect to it using the encryption |
| 20:39.07 | jeremym | all im seeing in /var/log/dpkg.log is that it shows it upgraded to 2.6.32-35 but i dont see the image in /boot |
| 20:40.03 | zapadlo | MrRoy 'apt-cache policy wpasupplicant' |
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| 20:40.15 | zapadlo | Will show you whether you have wpasupplicant installed. |
| 20:40.20 | edbian | This page: http://wiki.debian.org/EmailClients#GNUMail says I can install mozilla-thunderbird but no such package exists. What repo is it in? |
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| 20:41.05 | MrRoy | zapadlo: it tells me I have version 0.6.10-2.1, still I am not able to connect to the network if it's encrypted using the GNOME network manager. |
| 20:41.10 | jeremym | 2011-09-12 15:10:25 status installed linux-base 2.6.32-35squeeze2 is what i see in there |
| 20:41.20 | ompaul | edbian: install icedove |
| 20:41.23 | MrRoy | zapadlo: I followed the instructions on the debian wiki to setup a WPA2 network, and I believe there are some files missing |
| 20:41.25 | jeremym | but im not seeing it when i type uname -a...does debian package the kernel differently? |
| 20:41.39 | ompaul | edbian: essentially the same as thunderbird |
| 20:41.46 | edbian | ompaul: I am aware of ice-dove. I am curious why this page lists mozilla-thunderbird ? |
| 20:41.49 | MrRoy | zapdlo: such as /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:41.52 | zapadlo | MrRoy I don't understand what you mean by "set up" its done solely on the router. |
| 20:41.58 | ompaul | edbian: it was smoking crack? |
| 20:42.07 | zapadlo | All you have to do on the client is select WPA2 and enter the password. |
| 20:42.08 | MrRoy | zapadlo: I mean connect to it |
| 20:42.09 | edbian | ompaul: Can this page be edited? |
| 20:42.11 | JoshH | edbian: long story, basically debian's politics |
| 20:42.23 | ompaul | edbian: yes, it is a wiki page |
| 20:42.31 | edbian | I know why debian has ice-dove instead of thunderbird. I am curious why the page lists thunderbird |
| 20:42.39 | zapadlo | MrRoy Are you able to connect with any other device? |
| 20:42.45 | JoshH | probably because it's old |
| 20:42.47 | JoshH | who cares |
| 20:42.48 | edbian | But it says immutable at the top |
| 20:42.49 | JoshH | just install icedove |
| 20:42.59 | ompaul | edbian: hehe try to edit it |
| 20:43.19 | MrRoy | zapadlo: Yes, the laptop I am using right now usually connect to the network using the WPA2 encryption, right now it's not because as I said I removed the encryption for the installation |
| 20:43.32 | edbian | ompaul: I think I'd have to make an account |
| 20:43.49 | edbian | JoshH: Are you really going to say that documentation is not important? |
| 20:43.55 | zapadlo | MrRoy So you have not re-enabled it yet? |
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| 20:43.56 | MrRoy | zapadlo: /etc/network/interfaces is there finally, it was another file that was missing. Something un related, sorry |
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| 20:44.26 | JoshH | something that minor sure isn't important to me. i have bigger issues to deal with in my life |
| 20:44.32 | zapadlo | MrRoy Not sure why you are editing files manually if you are using a NM. |
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| 20:44.53 | lapsusbrutus | Hi guys, anyone knows if speed dreams is planned for repos? looks much better than torcs :) |
| 20:45.14 | MrRoy | zapadlo: Well it doesn't work using NM, and I don't even want GNOME, I did not check I wanted a DE in the installer yet it came with GNOME |
| 20:45.44 | zapadlo | MrRoy Is encryption currently enabled? |
| 20:46.11 | MrRoy | zapadlo: No, right now there is no encryption on the network |
| 20:46.40 | zapadlo | MrRoy You need to enable it first before trying to connect via wireless with a WPA2 encryption. |
| 20:47.16 | MrRoy | zapadlo: I did so when I tried to connect to it using NM |
| 20:47.25 | ompaul | edbian: someone is editing that page ... oh its me |
| 20:47.30 | edbian | ompaul: yay! :D |
| 20:47.42 | ompaul | waiting on the save :-( |
| 20:48.11 | n-iCe | damn whis is weird |
| 20:48.12 | ompaul | maybe it is but it shouldn't be |
| 20:48.16 | zapadlo | MrRoy And what happened? |
| 20:48.22 | MrRoy | zapadlo: I will try something, I edited the interfaces file and will put the encryption back on |
| 20:48.27 | n-iCe | my mic works, I can here typing and clicking mouse, but not my voice, how's that even possible? |
| 20:48.28 | MrRoy | So I will disconnect from the irc |
| 20:48.31 | pujger | Typing that make-googleearth-package it installs only downloads the GoogleEarthLinux.bin |
| 20:48.35 | pujger | I want the .deb |
| 20:48.37 | pujger | apt-get install googleearth-package doesn't work if I then try and type "googleearth" |
| 20:48.46 | pujger | Would someone please download the 32-bit .deb (Ubuntu/Linux) from http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html |
| 20:48.50 | pujger | Then DCC it to me or upload it to http://www.megaupload.com ? |
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| 20:49.08 | tensorpudding | why can you not download it yourself |
| 20:49.17 | pujger | well |
| 20:49.18 | ompaul | edbian: done |
| 20:49.23 | pujger | because I don't want to violate the EULA, I want to stalk someone |
| 20:49.29 | pujger | I have to click "Agree and Download" |
| 20:49.34 | edbian | ompaul: thanks :) |
| 20:49.37 | pujger | then by stalking someone, I break the binding contract |
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| 20:49.49 | thewanderer1 | pujger: I bet the EULA also includes "no redistribution" clause... |
| 20:49.56 | tensorpudding | by stalking someone with that software you still might be violating local laws |
| 20:49.56 | pujger | hmm true |
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| 20:50.10 | pujger | Then why is it on google if I type intitle:"Index of/" "GoogleEarthLinux.bin"? |
| 20:50.17 | wols | how can one stalk people with year old satellite photos? |
| 20:50.21 | Hydroxide | pujger: not everyone follows the laws? |
| 20:50.25 | dondelelcaro | pujger: #debian doesn't have anything to do with helping you to avoid EULAs or google earth. |
| 20:50.35 | pujger | Because those roads in the year old satellite photos can be used to track someone down |
| 20:50.49 | pujger | well guess what, I tried that make-googleearth-package and it worked |
| 20:51.13 | pujger | I guess apt-get install googleearth-package really did work... It was download GoogleEarthLinux.bin which didn't work before |
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| 20:52.59 | MrRoy_ | zapadlo: Alright I got it to work. It was just the NM that wasn't working. Editing /etc/network/interfaces did the job |
| 20:53.04 | dracmas | If you add the Linux Mint Debian repo and grab its key you can install using apt-get |
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| 20:53.41 | MrRoy_ | zapadlo: Now that this is fixed, could you help me uninstalling GNOME completely? I don't want to use GNOME as a DE, I'd prefer enlightenment, but I'm not sure about how tu fully uninstall GNOME |
| 20:53.54 | wols | !tell MrRoy_ about remove gnome |
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| 20:54.45 | MrRoy_ | wols: what's the difference between remove or purge? |
| 20:55.17 | urlin2u | MrRoy_, purge remes configs as well |
| 20:55.23 | urlin2u | removes*] |
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| 20:55.50 | MrRoy_ | Thanks |
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| 20:57.31 | jeremym | anyone have any idea why when i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.32-35 it still shows 2.6.32-5? when i look in boot it does not even list a 2.6.32-35 kernel but if i look at dpkg.log it shows it was installed |
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| 20:59.12 | n-iCe | hi, mi mic seems to not be working, any ideas? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/screenshotzod.jpg/ |
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| 21:00.25 | jeremym | if its a stupid question i apologize but im used to when a kernel upgrade occurs that uname -a shows the new version. |
| 21:00.45 | urlin2u | jeremym, so kernel updates are just the kernel itself not a new one |
| 21:00.47 | urlin2u | some |
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| 21:01.25 | jeremym | why would the log show 2.6.32-35 as being installed then |
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| 21:01.49 | urlin2u | jeremym, that is what you had previosly right? |
| 21:01.58 | jeremym | no i had 2.6.32-5 |
| 21:02.02 | jeremym | which is what uname -a shows now |
| 21:02.03 | MrRoy | !tell MrRoy about remove gnome |
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| 21:03.29 | thewanderer1 | jeremym: -35 is the patch level, -5 is just the release number I think, which should somehow reflect upstream "minor" versions. |
| 21:04.00 | thewanderer1 | (afaict) |
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| 21:04.17 | jeremym | see i thought 2.6.32 was the release number and the -# was the patch level |
| 21:05.50 | jeremym | 2011-09-12 15:10:25 status installed linux-base 2.6.32-35squeeze2 |
| 21:05.50 | jeremym | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.02 | jeremym | the only thing that changed was uname -a has a new date of today |
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| 21:06.47 | urlin2u | jeremym, me neither it was a kernel patch or release. |
| 21:06.54 | thewanderer1 | jeremym: or, maybe, just maybe, it's a typo by the package maintainers. :P |
| 21:07.01 | urlin2u | jeremym, happens all the time . |
| 21:07.07 | jeremym | well that could be true as well :) |
| 21:07.25 | jeremym | does the dpkg bot display the latest kernel release? |
| 21:07.41 | thewanderer1 | ,kernels |
| 21:07.42 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 21:07.59 | urlin2u | new debian time to clone it |
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| 21:08.17 | jeremym | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.34 | jeremym | what does that mean |
| 21:08.47 | thewanderer1 | jeremym: package name (version) |
| 21:09.05 | thewanderer1 | so yeah, 35 is the patch level |
| 21:09.12 | jeremym | the version and revison number stayed 2.6.32-5 but the kernel is really 2.6.32-35? |
| 21:09.14 | jeremym | ah ok |
| 21:09.23 | jeremym | thats a bit confusing coming from the rhel world |
| 21:09.32 | Black_Prince | 2.6.32-35 includes upstream 2.6.32.40 |
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| 21:09.45 | thewanderer1 | I seriously don't know where the -5 comes from, though |
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| 21:09.50 | Black_Prince | 2.6.32-5 is package name. (-5 means Debian Revision) |
| 21:10.06 | Black_Prince | 2.6.32 tree revision 5 ... probbably configuration changes or so. |
| 21:10.15 | thewanderer1 | oh, that might be right! |
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| 21:11.53 | Black_Prince | as for version -> 2.6.32-35squeeze2 means upstream version 2.6.32 debian revision 35 and squeeze security update 2 or so |
| 21:13.12 | thewanderer1 | 35 is the patch level I think |
| 21:13.38 | Black_Prince | no. Debian revision. |
| 21:13.49 | Black_Prince | 35 includes kernel patchlevel 40 - from changelog. |
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| 21:14.00 | Black_Prince | Or it is called patch level, but debian patch level, not upstream one. |
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| 21:14.10 | thewanderer1 | Black_Prince: yes, I meant that, sorry |
| 21:14.29 | thewanderer1 | (as in, patches stack: 35 depends on 34 and so on) |
| 21:14.31 | jeremym | i learned something new today...debian only. Im glad i asked :) |
| 21:14.36 | offby1 | Here's a weird one: I'm stuck on Lenny, which works fine -- except for firefox 5 and 6: they cannot talk to the network. They behave exactly as if the network cable were unplugged. All other apps work fine, in particular, iceweasel. What might be causing this? |
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| 21:15.12 | thewanderer1 | offby1: does it work if you disable ipv6? |
| 21:15.28 | offby1 | thewanderer1: never thought of that. How do I disable ipv6? |
| 21:16.18 | thewanderer1 | offby1: as root: echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 |
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| 21:16.25 | offby1 | groovy: let's see. |
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| 21:17.28 | offby1 | bummer: bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6: No such file or directory |
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| 21:17.43 | offby1 | spelled it right, as far as I can tell |
| 21:19.05 | thewanderer1 | uh, is that one absent on lenny? :P |
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| 21:19.13 | offby1 | I guess |
| 21:19.25 | offby1 | kernel 2.6.26 for what it's worth |
| 21:19.39 | offby1 | there seems to be a way of doing it via modprobe; I'll try that |
| 21:19.39 | thewanderer1 | does it work if you input an IP address manually? say, try 83.19.131.253 (some friendly site) |
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| 21:19.52 | offby1 | thewanderer1: another excellent experiment; let's see |
| 21:20.39 | offby1 | thewanderer1: you're a genius; the IP address works. |
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| 21:20.51 | offby1 | so it's almost certainly ipv6 getting in the way. |
| 21:21.09 | thewanderer1 | could be |
| 21:21.11 | bambanx | how i can install opera? |
| 21:21.32 | jeremym | Black_Prince, sounds like the kernel naming would be much simpler and easier to understand if the package name was changed to match the current kernel |
| 21:21.33 | thewanderer1 | offby1: so maybe Firefox's DNS handling is buggy? :P |
| 21:22.23 | Black_Prince | jeremym, that would lead to some kind of disaster and probably security issue. |
| 21:22.50 | offby1 | thewanderer1: or perhaps my ipv6 is set up wrong. |
| 21:23.32 | Black_Prince | Imagine someone having 2.6.32.16 installed and 2.6.32.22 and 2.6.32.38 ... And they all appear in grub prompt. So think ... It would be hard to advise latest one to remove all previous and if user selects 2.6.32.16 with grave bug foo ... |
| 21:23.40 | jeremym | im just going by how rhel handles it...If you get a kernel update in rhel then the kernel version is changed when you type uname -a to reflect that. rpm -qa kernel will show the new kernel package as well. I dont see why debian wouldnt work the same. Not arguing one verses the other just pointing it out. |
| 21:24.30 | jeremym | thats why i was confused |
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| 21:24.52 | Black_Prince | Believe it or not, I was confused too ... |
| 21:25.01 | night-hacks | i need gcc 4.1 header files in /usr/include , but they are 4.5 ? what should i do ? |
| 21:25.10 | Black_Prince | I am still not sure what -5 means ... So I guessed it is debian revision ... |
| 21:25.41 | jeremym | that is just one of those debian gotchas that im trying to find documentation on |
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| 21:26.18 | offby1 | thewanderer1: better yet -- setting network.dns.disableIPv6 to true in firefox's "about:config" works. |
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| 21:27.13 | wondiws | guys, I have a Dell E5520 and I'm running sid on it, but it won't reboot :S |
| 21:27.19 | wondiws | it does power off correctly using acpi |
| 21:27.26 | wondiws | but when I want to reboot |
| 21:27.36 | wondiws | it hangs at the message "restarting system" from the kernel |
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| 21:27.45 | wondiws | is this a know problem? |
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| 21:28.15 | ||__\\\ | meh |
| 21:28.20 | ||__\\\ | sorry 'bout that |
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| 21:29.00 | pujger | I already tried make-googleearth-package |
| 21:29.02 | pujger | it's not working |
| 21:30.11 | pujger | I'm thinkin about rung dungs annoyed ee noos ee noid ee noos |
| 21:30.19 | pujger | Check this hard hat harry |
| 21:30.43 | pujger | I mean in ancient times the Egyptians used hard muscle-demanding labor to create large pyramids... and stone age people, the neanderthals, needed to burn 5000-6000 calories a day to survive |
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| 21:30.47 | pujger | Police don't really "contribute" and product to society, but it's always good pay and it's sort of needed |
| 21:30.50 | pujger | But now people at Amazon use fork lifts, or skyscraper builders use heavy machinery |
| 21:30.53 | pujger | heavy machinery by companies like Hitachi or Kabuto or C.A.T. or whatever requires some object movement by people to make but not that of bodybuilders |
| 21:30.56 | pujger | But now all weight lifting is good for is police, military, or football/sports players |
| 21:30.59 | pujger | Military is a waste of time and money |
| 21:31.02 | pujger | And football players are like playing video games only in real life |
| 21:31.04 | pujger | Throwing a ball around doesn't help other people no matter how much someone is paid |
| 21:31.07 | pujger | Police are mostly worthless |
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| 21:31.10 | pujger | Football is like a virus to the world |
| 21:31.12 | pujger | What if I throw your balls around? |
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| 21:31.15 | pujger | Police don't deter crime |
| 21:31.17 | pujger | They just mop up and catch the crooks |
| 21:31.20 | pujger | Sometimes |
| 21:31.22 | pujger | I look at the future and think: Computers will be obsolete because brain implants will replace them |
| 21:31.25 | pujger | Being in shape and having the brain of a computer would mean sitting down would be wasting time. |
| 21:31.28 | pujger | But for now, in humanity's evolution, sitting down at a computer or making automated machinery is more productive than bodybuilding |
| 21:31.32 | pujger | Do you think in the future body building will be more profitable than sitting at a computer or at a desk? |
| 21:31.39 | pujger | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.39 | pujger | Deh neh neh neh noo noo neh neh Deh neh neh neh noo noo neh neh BAT MAN! |
| 21:31.40 | pujger | Ruvah duviv! Ruvah Duvev, Ruvah Doovav, Ruv Div DuV |
| 21:31.42 | pujger | Ruvah duviv! Ruvah Duvev, Ruvah Doovav, Ruv Div DuB |
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| 21:32.53 | yshi | i just built a new tower and was wondering if it was worth trying to get debian on it |
| 21:33.28 | yshi | i tried to install, but could not get etheret, wifi or bluetooth to work during install |
| 21:33.34 | karlpinc | yshi: The best way to tell is to try it. |
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| 21:33.42 | yshi | so i currently have ubuntu instead |
| 21:33.51 | karlpinc | yshi: Did you look at the install guide and the non-free firmware section? |
| 21:34.22 | yshi | um this was i think last month, i think i did read both of those |
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| 21:34.58 | karlpinc | !tell yshi about firmware images |
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| 21:35.20 | thewanderer1 | or try a newer kernel if possible :P |
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| 21:36.01 | karlpinc | !tell yshi about kmuto |
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| 21:36.35 | yshi | i thought a newer kernel may be the problem, but it looks like the only ones that would help are in sid, and it appears that there are no sid isos |
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| 21:37.10 | yshi | i tried to use live-magic to make an iso, but it appears broken |
| 21:37.11 | wondiws | yshi, you install sid via repositories |
| 21:37.29 | yshi | how do i do that if i cannot install the os?> |
| 21:37.39 | karlpinc | yshi: You need a 3.0 kernel? |
| 21:37.50 | wondiws | yshi, network install |
| 21:38.01 | thewanderer1 | yshi: Linux 3.1-rc5 has been very kind to me so far, you might want to compile it from the source with default Debian config |
| 21:38.02 | wondiws | there is in fact an iso |
| 21:38.11 | wondiws | the network install iso |
| 21:38.23 | yshi | network install will? okay thanks |
| 21:38.36 | yshi | i may try again before bringing my tower back to my room |
| 21:38.50 | yshi | ...wait so does the net install have more drivers then? |
| 21:39.10 | wondiws | I don't think so |
| 21:39.27 | wondiws | drivers are accompanied by the kernel |
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| 21:40.32 | wondiws | I'm on the first Virtual Console and I press ALT + SysRQ, why the hell does that bring me to my running X11 console? |
| 21:40.55 | larsl | I'm trying to set up a backup system using duplicity (0.6.08b-1+b1 from Squeeze), and when I did the first full backup (10 hours over SSH to a slow computer!) |
| 21:42.23 | larsl | I'm trying to set up a backup system using duplicity (0.6.08b-1+b1 from Squeeze), and when I did the first full backup (12 hours over SSH to a slow computer!) I forgot to specify --exclude '/home/*/.cache' and --excluce '/home/*/.mozilla/firefox/*/Cache'. I thought I would just add those options for the next incremental backup, but it seems to back up those files anyway, which I don't want. Am I screwed if I didn't specify which files to exclude in t |
| 21:42.24 | Bushmills | first is slowest. next backups are deltas and therefore faster. |
| 21:42.24 | larsl | he full backup? Do I have to do it again? |
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| 21:43.48 | lapsusbrutus | http://pastebin.com/wJucMnxU how do i fix these unmet dependencies? |
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| 21:44.24 | Bushmills | by sticking to stable |
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| 21:45.02 | lapsusbrutus | ahh :) |
| 21:45.21 | larsl | It looks like duplicity backs up new versions of all files that were in the previous full backup, even if I tell it to --exclude them. Is that how it works, or am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:45.31 | hydromet | hello. is there a way to run apt-get build-dep for a source such that I will only get a listing of the build dependencies rather than having apt-get also download the dependencies? It would be nice to have a list first to look at before deciding whether or not to also download them. |
| 21:45.41 | Bushmills | not examining the alternatives indicates that other than stable isn't appropriate for you |
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| 21:46.31 | Bushmills | larsivi: it shouldn't, if set up for incremental backups |
| 21:46.50 | larsl | Bushmills: Hm. |
| 21:46.50 | n-iCe | anyone can help me? I use INTEL HDA but my microphone is not working, any idea how to activate it I use a laptop and it is built in |
| 21:47.31 | thewanderer1 | n-iCe: see /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/* esp. the model-related documentation for Intel HDA |
| 21:47.50 | Bushmills | n-iCe: google for the specific notebook type you're using. mic is commonly rather device specific |
| 21:47.55 | larsl | This is the command I use for the incremental backup - is there something obviously wrong with it? duplicity --ssh-askpass --exclude '/home/*/.cache' --exclude '/home/*/.mozilla/firefox/*/Cache' /home scp://remote_host//path/to/backup |
| 21:48.58 | n-iCe | Bushmills: I did, nothing VGN-CS170F |
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| 21:50.03 | Bushmills | try settings for misc other models |
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| 21:54.03 | hydromet | hi, what's the best command to run to print a list of dependencies for a debian source? |
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| 21:55.38 | larsl | hydromet: All build dependencies, or just the ones that you need to install to build it? |
| 21:55.44 | bambanx | a good software for play music and radio guys ? |
| 21:56.51 | larsl | bambanx: Rhythmbox is OK if you're using GNOME and looking for something iTunesish. For something that is more bare metal, mplayer. |
| 21:57.33 | bambanx | i am looking for somethign for play music and listen with my lady and dance naked |
| 21:57.45 | hydromet | larsl: just the one that I need to install to build it (thank you for your suggestion / help, I'm new to Debian) |
| 21:57.55 | hydromet | the ones |
| 21:58.28 | larsl | hydromet: 'aptitude build-dep <package>' will show a list and ask if you want to install them. |
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| 21:59.35 | hydromet | larsl: thank you! that is awesome ... once I do that then I can decide if I want to download them with apt-get build-dep |
| 21:59.46 | allan_wind | q; how do I find out what iceweasel is using 3.5g of rss for with no tabs open? |
| 22:00.26 | larsl | hydromet: aptitude will install them for you as well. |
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| 22:01.10 | hydromet | larsl: can I run aptitude build-dep <package> on a source file I have downloaded (such as a new version of a source that isn't yet available from sources.list)? |
| 22:01.32 | hydromet | meaning, that I have manually downloaded as a tarball? |
| 22:01.42 | hydromet | then uncompress and untar the tarball? |
| 22:02.11 | larsl | hydromet: A tarball? You mean something that hasn't been packaged for Debian? |
| 22:02.27 | karlpinc | !tell hydromet about overview |
| 22:02.49 | karlpinc | hydromet: See paticularly the footnotes in the wiki page. |
| 22:03.08 | karlpinc | hydromet: I find the debtags package most useful for that sort of search. |
| 22:03.11 | hydromet | larsl: for example a new upstream version of source that has a debian/ subdirectory (download it as a tarball then untar it etc.) |
| 22:03.26 | hydromet | karlpinc: thank you |
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| 22:04.30 | karlpinc | hydromet: You should be able to find something already packaged. |
| 22:05.45 | hydromet | karlpinc: for the most part yes, but in a situation I find myself in right now, the newer version is not yet available from the Debian maintainer even in an unstable tree, so its a new version and I have the source and I want to create a deb binary package from it (but want to get a listing first of its build deps) |
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| 22:08.23 | hydromet | karlpinc: and larsl: it looks like its just as simple as reading the debian source's control file (and looking at the "Build-Depends:" line) |
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| 22:14.14 | somiaj | hydromet: yes all apt-get build-dep does is install the -dev libaries assoicated with any dependencies. Though if the upstream source adds a libary depdendency in a new feature you won't get that with apt-get build-dep <package> |
| 22:15.53 | hydromet | somiaj: thank you for clarifying |
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| 22:19.20 | MrRoy | Hey, I've been trying to install the xcb-shape package for quite some time but I've managed nothing. Any help? |
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| 22:21.43 | hydromet | somiaj: the other day you made a great suggestion for making a deb binary package from an upstream source (like wine) that includes a debian/ package directory i.e. "debian/rules binary" ... I found out today that this upstream source had a little wiki tucked away from Google (no robots) and what they are suggesting instead is to run "apt-get build-dep --no-install-recommends sourcename" ... I kind of like your idea better :-) |
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| 22:24.42 | larsl | wonders if it would be better to use a snapshotting file system and back up from a recent snapshot instead of doing it from the live file system. |
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| 22:26.32 | somiaj | aren't snapshots backups? |
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| 22:26.58 | larsl | Yes, but there isn't much point in having a backup on the same disk if you want it in case of disk failure. |
| 22:26.58 | freeone3000 | Has anyone managed to actually use libva from debian sources? I'm trying to get mplayer to use it, but I'm not seeing any acceleration. |
| 22:27.20 | somiaj | larsl: so you can backup the snapshots to other disks/media to ensure its in at least 3 places. |
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| 22:27.56 | somiaj | larsl: issues might be with snapshots, you have to take a full backup each time and then you will start to collect large files to move around -- easy on a lan, not so easy over the net |
| 22:28.15 | somiaj | larsl: while using a diff type backup utility you only back up the changes and if you experience little change over time you backup less. |
| 22:28.22 | MrRoy | Hey, I have a problem when trying to run some bash script. It ends up saying the "xcb-shape" package is not found. I've trying to install it for quite sometime but nothing works. The exact error is "No package 'xcb-shape' found". |
| 22:29.03 | larsl | somiaj: Yes, what I meant was to do incremental backups, but from a recent snapshot instead of the live system. |
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| 22:29.11 | somiaj | MrRoy: that error is telling you that xcb-shape is NOT in your repo. |
| 22:29.13 | larsl | And then release the snapshot. |
| 22:29.21 | somiaj | MrRoy: learn to search for things, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xcb-shape |
| 22:30.10 | somiaj | larsl: that would work to, though if you have snapshots I find it easier just to backup the whole snapshot (I find diff backups time consuming and more work to recover at the advatnage they take up less space) |
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| 22:30.20 | MrRoy | somiaj: I did search a lot, and I installed libxcb-shape0 using apt-get and I still get the same error |
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| 22:31.19 | somiaj | MrRoy: its because your script what ever it does is trying to install something that doesn't exist. Figure out what package it really wants then edit your script so it installs the right thing |
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| 22:33.13 | MrRoy | somiaj: I'm trying to install e17 using a script I got on some site. it stops working at the following part : "configure: error: Package requirements (xcb; xcb-shape; eina >= 1.0.999; ecore >= 1.0.999; ecore-ipc >= 1.0.999 ) were not met: No package 'xcb-shape' found" |
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| 22:34.10 | somiaj | of course it errors out because it cannot find that pacakge. Fix the script only way |
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| 22:35.11 | wols | MrRoy: your compiler misses the header files, not the libraries themselves |
| 22:35.30 | larsl | Yes, that looks like pkg-config requirements. |
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| 22:36.20 | larsl | MrRoy: You probably want libxcb-shape0-dev. |
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| 22:36.23 | somiaj | oh should have looked at the error a little more closely, though it was calling apt-get -- yes you will want the (-dev) version of the libary for compiling. |
| 22:36.24 | larsl | ping |
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| 22:36.54 | MrRoy | somiaj: Alright I'll try that but I'll be back in about 15 minutes to give results |
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| 22:41.38 | jeeger | Greetings! I'm trying to install pure-ftpd on a virtuozzo server. For that, I need to recompile pure-ftpd without capabilities support (as per http://bitnode.net/comment/124). However, when I execute apt-get build-dep pure-ftpd, I get the error that the build dependecies could not be satisfied. My sources.list file is here: http://pastebin.com/QgCzeWij. Can anybody tell me why this happens? My aptitude information is here: |
| 22:41.38 | jeeger | http://paste.debian.net/129638/. |
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| 22:43.40 | wols | don't run the build-deps command but simply try to build the package. dpkg-buildpackage should tell you what it misses |
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| 22:46.35 | MrRoy | somiaj: It worked, thanks |
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| 22:47.35 | somiaj | MrRoy: thank wols he was the one who actually read your error. (: |
| 22:48.03 | MrRoy | somiaj: Oh, well thanks wols :P |
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| 22:48.58 | jeeger | hm, I'm missing a package. |
| 22:49.30 | jason404 | how do I enable ssl in apache? |
| 22:49.38 | jeeger | backports mysql-common to be exact... |
| 22:50.08 | syme | yep |
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| 22:59.21 | larsl | Hm. Backups could theoretically be much faster with a journalling file system. Just read the journal to see which files have been added, removed or changed since the last backup. |
| 22:59.36 | larsl | No need to compare all the actual files. |
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| 23:03.12 | yshi | i made a shiny new tower last month, want to put debian on it, will not recognize ethernet |
| 23:03.46 | yshi | i looked it up and the intel nic needs e1000e, but when i try to choose it just loops to try another |
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| 23:04.17 | yshi | but i have no problem when i install ubuntu |
| 23:05.02 | somiaj | yshi: could the module you need require a kernel newer than squeeze -- I belive there are some unoffical installers with newer kernels. |
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| 23:05.32 | somiaj | if ubuntu works, did you rember the name of the module it loaded? |
| 23:05.54 | yshi | im rather new, how do i check the module? |
| 23:06.01 | larsl | Or does it need non-free firmware that doesn't get installed by default? |
| 23:06.49 | yshi | i think i had found last month that i needed a kernel that is in sid, but since i cant find a sid iso |
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| 23:07.15 | somiaj | you don't want to install sid, the 2.6.39 kernel is backported to squeeze so you can run it in squeeze |
| 23:07.39 | yshi | im running off of the ubuntu install right now, nothing installed from proprietary |
| 23:08.25 | larsl | There is a e1000e driver in the normal 2.6.32 kernel for Squeeze. |
| 23:08.47 | somiaj | yshi: dmesg -- try to find out what firmware and module your nic is using |
| 23:08.57 | somiaj | its more lkely near the bottom, but there is lots of info there |
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| 23:12.10 | jeeger | aha. So it seems I had a wrong backports url. Now I successfully installed all packages required. I'm wondering why apt-get build-dep didn't work, though (it still doesn't). |
| 23:12.24 | jeeger | even though with the right installed packages, debuild does build the package... |
| 23:14.04 | yshi | holy text bomb |
| 23:14.38 | yshi | i found the driver version, 1.2.20-k2, what does the module look like? |
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| 23:18.14 | moshee | Hey, I'm installing debian onto an apple tv. would it work if I dd the netinstall iso onto my primary partition and try to boot? |
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| 23:19.32 | somiaj | yshi: lsmod (will list all installed moduels) it will have one of those names |
| 23:19.34 | I_Died_Once | I'm having the oddest problem with google chrome... its constantly telling me it didnt shut down properly and wants to resport pages, its making my kernel gie call trace massages, and all my pages are going unresponsive |
| 23:19.47 | I_Died_Once | it was fine one day and now its went to crap |
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| 23:20.14 | yshi | somiaj, thats MUCH cleaner thanks |
| 23:20.58 | yshi | somiaj, e1000e is listed as a module |
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| 23:38.07 | yshi | where would i get the a kernel from another OS so i can usb over? |
| 23:38.40 | yshi | im guessing the kernel is different between operating systems? |
| 23:38.59 | larsl | USB over? |
| 23:39.38 | yshi | if i install on my tower, i dont have ehternet wifi or bluetooth so id have to get the files from my laptop |
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| 23:40.48 | gnarface | yshi: that's a serious inconvenience. maybe you should consider fixing that problem first before you install a new kernel? |
| 23:41.47 | yshi | gnarface, the problem i am trying to fix is installing the operating system |
| 23:42.29 | yshi | i need e1000e for nic, when i try to use the e1000e on the install it bounces back to pick a driver |
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| 23:43.54 | gnarface | yshi: which installer are you using? |
| 23:44.34 | yshi | i tried a 64bit standalone dvd, flash, and the first disc from a 6part |
| 23:44.46 | yshi | all from the debian page |
| 23:45.00 | gnarface | yshi: which version? squeeze and later should have that driver. |
| 23:45.06 | gnarface | i think |
| 23:46.06 | MrRoy | Guys, I finished installing E17 about an hour ago, and now I'm trying to startx, but it gives me a bunch of errors. I've been trying to find the problem for about an hour to no avail. The error is "fglrx: No matching Device section for instance". And I have installed the ATI drivers. |
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| 23:47.38 | gnarface | MrRoy: sounds like your xorg.conf needs to be fixed, created, or re-created and fixed |
| 23:47.45 | yshi | oh yeah and a non-free netboot. all squeeze |
| 23:47.59 | gnarface | !e1000e |
| 23:47.59 | dpkg | e1000e is a driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters, included in the mainline Linux kernel. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts are supported as of Linux 2.6.31. See also <82579>, <e1000e oot>. |
| 23:48.27 | gnarface | yshi: that's all i got unfortunately. i think that means it should be in there |
| 23:48.40 | MrRoy | gnarface: What error would cause this, or how can I generate a new one? |
| 23:48.54 | MrRoy | gnarface: Btw I'm Roy_ from yesterday, if you remember |
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| 23:50.44 | gnarface | MrRoy: welcome back. good to see you got your network connection working |
| 23:50.46 | Mneumonic | How long does compiling programs from source take? I know it varies but for example something like an audio player or something? |
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| 23:51.16 | Mneumonic | I have been getting into the idea of compiling some programs from source but trying to weigh the benefits of compiling form source over just apt-get it |
| 23:51.17 | icesword | hours maybe |
| 23:51.38 | Mneumonic | does it give much of a performance enhancement? |
| 23:51.43 | icesword | atleast half |
| 23:51.50 | gnarface | MrRoy: its usually just a syntax error. that error sounds specific. do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and if so, how did it get there? did you use "X -configure" or some other automated tool to generate it? |
| 23:51.52 | yshi | gnarface, thanks, |
| 23:52.07 | MrRoy | gnarface: Thanks, yeah finally I reinstalled from scratch and this time with an unencrypted connection, it installed the necessary packages and I could make it to work for WPA2 easily |
| 23:52.22 | karlpinc | Mneumonic: Basically no improvment, unless you think you can do a better job than the people who are doing the packaging. |
| 23:52.27 | yshi | gnarface, testing should have at least v2.6.31? |
| 23:52.45 | Mneumonic | Ah alright, i read conflicting opinions about whether a program runs better if you compile it |
| 23:52.51 | MrRoy | gnarface: I have the file, but I recall it was not there earlier today. I did not make it manually either. So I'm guessing the ATI driver did it? |
| 23:52.52 | karlpinc | ,kernels |
| 23:52.53 | Mneumonic | I guess it didn't make sense to me, but it piqued my interest |
| 23:52.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
| 23:53.00 | gnarface | ,versions linux-image-2.6 |
| 23:53.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 23:53.28 | gnarface | yshi: there's a way to get the bot to tell you. i think squeeze has 2.6.32 actually but i'm on SID and don't know off the top of my head |
| 23:53.55 | karlpinc | gnarface: You've got to use "kernels" for kernel versions. I don't know why, except possibly that there's too many packages and the channel would be plogged. |
| 23:53.56 | gnarface | yshi: oh, karlpinc just listed them |
| 23:54.11 | gnarface | karlpinc: thanks for the info |
| 23:54.54 | karlpinc | Mneumonic: As a rule it's not worth anybody's time. |
| 23:55.07 | Mneumonic | Alright, seems that way |
| 23:55.21 | gnarface | MrRoy: chances are actually it would be working if the ati driver did it, so probably it was something generic with X11. X11's auto detection capabilities are vastly overrated. drop the file into pastebin for us to take a look at |
| 23:55.23 | karlpinc | Mneumonic: It might be useful if you're trying to, say, run debian on your cellphone. |
| 23:55.52 | abrotman_ | yshi: squeeze has a .32 and testing/sid are on 3.0+ |
| 23:56.29 | icesword | debian on phone? |
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| 23:57.18 | Mneumonic | I wish my droid x would run debian |
| 23:57.21 | Mneumonic | it would be so much better |
| 23:57.24 | photon | Does 6.0.2.1 still use a .32 kernel? |
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| 23:57.56 | karlpinc | icesword: It'll run on the nanonote so sure, it could _could_ run on a phone. The trouble, as usual, is more the phone companies/hardware manufactururs than anything else. |
| 23:58.02 | photon | I'm interested in switching to Debian, but I need a stable version with at least an .33 kernel. |
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| 23:58.17 | MrRoy | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/EC0dg15h |
| 23:58.33 | musl | Is it possible to create a .deb package from only a system with the package installed? (Like FreeBSD's pkg_create) |
| 23:58.37 | karlpinc | photon: There's a .39 in backports. |
| 23:58.45 | karlpinc | !tell photon about kmuto |
| 23:58.50 | karlpinc | !tell photon about overview |
| 23:59.44 | karlpinc | musl: stow does that. See the <stow> and <stow usage> factoids. (At leat I think it does what you're asking.) |
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