| 00:00.11 | icesword | yeah, and also you need specified apps for a platform eh OS maybe |
| 00:00.15 | karlpinc | musl: Or you could just use dpkg to package it yourself. |
| 00:00.33 | gnarface | MrRoy: hmm. weird, it seems to have the device sections. pastebin the whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log for us too? |
| 00:00.45 | gnarface | MrRoy: any idea why its got two of everything? |
| 00:01.07 | MrRoy | gnarface: I have two monitors. Give me a moment for the log |
| 00:01.50 | gnarface | MrRoy: its overwritten every time you run X, so if you've tried with alternate drivers or something, generate a fresh one first |
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| 00:02.41 | musl | karlpinc: I've got a virtual appliance from a vendor that I'd like to install on bare metal. It's debian, and they won't give me a copy of the .deb, so I can't build it from source. ;( |
| 00:03.47 | icarious | What is the ETA for Wheezy? |
| 00:03.59 | chjj | anyone know off the top of their head what package provides the GL/glxproto header? |
| 00:04.00 | karlpinc | musl: What's a "virtual appliance"? The trouble you're going to have is most likely with the boot loader. |
| 00:04.20 | karlpinc | !tell icarious about guess the release date |
| 00:04.27 | karlpinc | !tell chjj about apt-file |
| 00:04.30 | simonlnu | musl: dpkg-repack |
| 00:04.40 | MrRoy | gnarface: This may sound retarded but... How do I copy all the text inside the log file? |
| 00:05.00 | karlpinc | !tell MrRoy about pastebinit |
| 00:05.08 | gnarface | MrRoy: without X running you mean? ^^^ pastebinit |
| 00:05.24 | Mneumonic | Any gamers in here? Looking for a halfway decent mmorpg that has a linux client. |
| 00:05.26 | musl | karlpinc: It's a VMWare OVF. They've installed their proprietary .deb on it and I want a copy. ;) |
| 00:05.29 | gnarface | MrRoy: that would be the easiest way at least. |
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| 00:05.46 | musl | karlpinc: boot loader's no prob. Got it to boot, but I want the packoge. :) |
| 00:05.49 | gnarface | Mneumonic: let me know if you find one |
| 00:06.02 | musl | simonlnu: Thanks. |
| 00:06.34 | MrRoy | http://pastebin.com/KJwZEY9Z |
| 00:06.57 | karlpinc | musl: But that's not going to get you the source so you can't rebuild. :-( |
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| 00:08.12 | musl | karlpinc: No problemo. It's a python web-app, and it doesn't need to be re-built, just instaled. >;) |
| 00:08.26 | musl | simonlnu: Thanks again! |
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| 00:10.11 | Mneumonic | gnarface: Regnum Online actually looks pretty awesome |
| 00:10.40 | gnarface | MrRoy: this looks ominous. does fglrx show up in the output of lsmod? "DRI initialization failed kernel module (fglrx.ko) may be missing or incompatible 2D and 3D acceleration disabled" |
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| 00:12.06 | MrRoy | gnarface: How do I check that? And for the background on that, I tried to startx after installing E17 using a script. |
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| 00:13.16 | gnarface | MrRoy: fglrx.ko wouldn't be a part of E17, its a kernel module X11 requires for your video card driver. it should have already been installed but for some reason X11 is saying its not. its saying a lot of other weird shit too but i'm not very familiar with recent ati hardware |
| 00:13.31 | gnarface | MrRoy: try this: lsmod |grep fgl -i |
| 00:13.53 | MrRoy | gnarface: Nothing |
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| 00:14.10 | gnarface | MrRoy: ok try this then: modprobe fglrx |
| 00:14.29 | MrRoy | gnarface: "FATAL: Module fglrx not found" |
| 00:14.31 | somiaj | MrRoy: dpkg -l | grep fglrx (see if you have the non-free package installed) |
| 00:14.53 | MrRoy | somiaj: It gives nothing either |
| 00:15.03 | gnarface | MrRoy: yea, how did you install the ati driver anyway? seems like something went awry there |
| 00:15.30 | gnarface | MrRoy: try this: dpkg -l |grep radeon |
| 00:16.00 | MrRoy | gnarface: I went on the ATI website at the time GNOME was installed, downloaded the driver for linux x86_64 and ran the .run script using sh in terminal. I installed GNOME not long after using that the dpkg bot on the irc told me |
| 00:16.32 | somiaj | the package names are 'fglrx-modules-dkms' and 'fglrx-glx' (those should be enough to install it provided you have the non-free sources enabled) |
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| 00:16.44 | somiaj | MrRoy: have you updated your kernel since you did that? |
| 00:16.49 | gnarface | MrRoy: did you recompile or upgrade your kernel or X11 or any part of it at any time after that? if so, your driver probably got overwritten |
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| 00:17.36 | MrRoy | gnarface, somiaj: I believe I haven't, unless the easy17.sh script did it. |
| 00:17.47 | gnarface | MrRoy: its advised to use the debian non-free packages somiaj lists instead of the official installer, because they will be protected from this sort of nonsense during upgrades. you could alternately just re-run the official installer (keep it around at all times) after every major upgrade |
| 00:18.23 | gnarface | MrRoy: god only knows what easy17.sh does. probably a bunch of atrocious shit you should have just gotten with "apt-get install e17" |
| 00:18.28 | MrRoy | gnarface: I did rerun the installer now that you mention it, after running the script |
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| 00:18.56 | gnarface | MrRoy: did it spit out errors or anything? you're clearly missing that module |
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| 00:19.37 | MrRoy | gnarface: I don't recall seeing any errors. Or do you mean the script? |
| 00:20.04 | gnarface | MrRoy: yea the easy17.sh script |
| 00:20.12 | DebianUserMark | Can someone please name me some alternatives to GDM3? that don't depend on gnome |
| 00:20.28 | icarious | DebianUserMark: slim perhaps |
| 00:20.32 | gnarface | MrRoy: maybe just try installing fglrx-modules-dkms and fglrx-glx and just forget about the official installer? |
| 00:20.35 | MrRoy | gnarface: It did give me an error after a missing package which was libxcb-shape0dev, after installing it it worked |
| 00:20.48 | MrRoy | gnarface: Should I uninstall the official one? |
| 00:21.03 | somiaj | DebianUserMark: slim, xdm, wdm are three other dms |
| 00:21.23 | gnarface | MrRoy: uh, if it has that option, yes. but first, if it can be uninstalled, can you get it to tell you a list of files it DID install? maybe it just put fglrx.ko in the wrong place or something? |
| 00:21.31 | DebianUserMark | Thanks somaiaj |
| 00:22.08 | gnarface | DebianUserMark: there is also kdm for kde and entrance for e17 |
| 00:23.08 | DebianUserMark | I use Xfce so I wouldn't like those but thanks anyway |
| 00:23.13 | MrRoy | gnarface: Well actually I was hoping you'd tell me how to uninstall it. The official installer is just a .run script. Also, I don't have entrance for e17, I know you're talking to DebianUserMark, but would that have anything to do with my e17 installation? |
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| 00:24.16 | gnarface | MrRoy: hmm. i don't think its required, but its been a while since i ran e17. i still like e16 better (more stable, ligher weight) |
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| 00:24.34 | gnarface | MrRoy: i figured we should start with the X11 errors we actually see first. |
| 00:25.00 | th0r | DebianUserMark: you looking for replacements for the login screen...gdm? |
| 00:25.01 | gnarface | MrRoy: besides i'm not sure you can get away without entrance |
| 00:25.27 | DebianUserMark | Yes th0r possible a clone |
| 00:26.06 | icarious | DebianUserMark: there is no exact clone. I use slim with LXDE. and it is pretty minimal. |
| 00:26.13 | gnarface | MrRoy: one of the weaknesses of those official installers from ati/nvidia is that they usually do not HAVE an uninstall feature. the best you can do is save the install log and manually remove the files. if i were you i'd cross my fingers and just install the debian packages somiaj mentioned earlier and hope they clean the mess up for you |
| 00:26.18 | th0r | I went looking for a replacement about a year ago. Other than kdm I found xdm (very basic) and wdm (in between xdm and gdm). Wdm was ok...but nothing great |
| 00:26.47 | DebianUserMark | I am going to see slim BRB |
| 00:26.48 | somiaj | there is a clean nvidia installer package, but guess one hasn't been built for fglrx |
| 00:28.45 | MrRoy | gnarface: Well I'll cross my fingers. But apt-cache doesn't seem to have these packages. I'm guessing it's not the right command? |
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| 00:29.11 | somiaj | MrRoy: you have to have the non-free sources enabled to get them |
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| 00:29.31 | gnarface | MrRoy: "apt-get update && apt-get install [package name]" (you could also try running the official ati installer again with --help command line option - it might give you more options |
| 00:29.35 | gnarface | ) |
| 00:30.03 | gnarface | MrRoy: oh yea, as somiaj says, you need to make sure the non-free sources are in your /etc/apt/sources.list - that should have been the default though |
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| 00:30.44 | DebianUserMark | I really like the slim display manager i was play with it and it's great |
| 00:30.54 | icarious | DebianUserMark: i knew you would like it |
| 00:31.06 | DebianUserMark | It's like Gdm2 |
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| 00:32.13 | MrRoy | gnarface, somiaj: this is the content of my sources.list : http://pastebin.com/xdz9c8Fg I'm not sure what to look for |
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| 00:32.56 | gnarface | !volatile |
| 00:32.56 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze-updates>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 00:33.13 | gnarface | i thought volatile went away with squeeze, guys? |
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| 00:34.22 | gnarface | MrRoy: just add ' contrib non-free' to the end of each of lines 7, 8, 10, and 11 and then re run apt-get update and then apt-cache and apt-get should see the fglrx non-free packages |
| 00:34.31 | xylox | !squeeze-updates |
| 00:34.31 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
| 00:34.49 | icarious | brb |
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| 00:35.43 | gnarface | MrRoy: oh well just add ' contrib non-free' to all the lines then (7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 15) |
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| 00:39.47 | MrRoy | gnarface: Not sure what to do at this part (I ran apt-get install fglrx-glx) http://pastebin.com/NsdVt8cF |
| 00:41.03 | DebianUserMark | I'm trying to compile vlc 1.11 and I'm getting a lua error message. How important is lua? |
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| 00:42.07 | gnarface | MrRoy: i have no idea what that file is for but you should probably just let the package overwrite it (Y or I) after first backing up the old one to your home directory or somewhere safe like that. you can always examine the differences later |
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| 00:42.34 | DebianUserMark | um k |
| 00:42.46 | MrRoy | gnarface: It says the default is N, does that change anything? |
| 00:43.05 | gnarface | DebianUserMark: vlc compilation is a notorious pain in the ass. you're recommended to use the debian package unless you have a strong reason otherwise |
| 00:43.11 | MrRoy | gnarface: I mean should I go with N in this case? |
| 00:43.31 | DebianUserMark | okay gnar thanks for saving me from the hell lol |
| 00:43.55 | DebianUserMark | The only programs I have ever compiled are leafpad and wine lol |
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| 00:45.03 | gnarface | MrRoy: the default is *always* N when debian can't determine where the file came from, or if it thinks you manually changed it after installing a previous version. since you did neither i think its safe er to take the version that matches your package, just back up the old file first - debian always errs on the side of less loss of physical data but that doesn't mean it knows if that data is valuable or not |
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| 00:45.46 | DebianUserMark | Can anyone tell me why vlc is very ugly in xfce? |
| 00:46.21 | MrRoy | gnarface: Alright, that's done. What's next to do? |
| 00:46.24 | gnarface | MrRoy: if you back up the file first (you can do that from another terminal or by hitting Z to get a temporary terminal in-line) then you can examine differences manually afterwards if the new version doesn't work |
| 00:46.27 | DebianUserMark | oh apparantly im using the qt4 interface |
| 00:46.36 | gnarface | DebianUserMark: is there a gtk interface? |
| 00:46.48 | gnarface | DebianUserMark: you might be more used to gtk2's themeability |
| 00:46.54 | DebianUserMark | how do i change vlc from qt4 to gtk |
| 00:47.05 | gnarface | DebianUserMark: not sure i just let it be ugly |
| 00:47.18 | DebianUserMark | Ok i can deal with it |
| 00:47.55 | DebianUserMark | any good alternatives to vlc |
| 00:48.11 | gnarface | MrRoy: you installed both those packages somiaj mentioned earlier? if so, lets check and see if the module is loaded now: lsmod |grep fgl -i |
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| 00:48.40 | gnarface | DebianUserMark: good alternatives? no, nothing is quite like vlc (not that vlc is "good" in every respect either) but popular alternatives are mplayer and xine |
| 00:49.03 | DebianUserMark | doesill try the parole xfce player |
| 00:49.10 | DebianUserMark | ill* |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman_ | for movies or music? |
| 00:49.32 | MrRoy | gnarface: I did, but now for some reason my connection got lost via ssh, dunno what's wrong. Gimme a sec |
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| 00:49.46 | DebianUserMark | music abrotman_ |
| 00:49.58 | DebianUserMark | and an occasional movie |
| 00:50.03 | abrotman_ | DebianUserMark: there are plenty of gnome/gtk apps for playing music |
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| 00:50.16 | gnarface | oh music, that's a totally different story, i usually use vlc for videos. xmms2 or audacious are way better for music |
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| 00:51.24 | DebianUserMark | shoudl i let the httptemp daemon start on boot? |
| 00:51.33 | DebianUserMark | hddtemp daemon |
| 00:51.48 | gnarface | i don't even know what that is |
| 00:51.59 | DebianUserMark | ill say no then |
| 00:52.18 | DebianUserMark | im installing the xfce4-goodies package |
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| 00:53.23 | MrRoy | gnarface: Aw man, I don't know what happened, the screen was black and nothing was responding. I remember it being a bug with the fgwlx driver when being in SSH. I had to force shutdown, and he won't connect to my network |
| 00:53.46 | somiaj | wants someone to grab the opensource g-force (from 2000) and port it to an alsa visualization... |
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| 00:56.37 | gnarface | somiaj: haha i remember that thing. |
| 00:57.16 | gnarface | MrRoy: fglrx can kill your network connection?! |
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| 00:57.29 | gnarface | MrRoy: that is alarming |
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| 00:57.55 | gnarface | MrRoy: can you get to a local console on the machine physically? |
| 00:58.12 | somiaj | gnarface: there is an old opensource plugin for xmms you can find from 2000 out there, but it really doesn't compile against modern setups -- I think it is the only thing I miss from my window days in the late 90s |
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| 00:58.29 | MrRoy | gnarface: I think it just crashes, and by crashing kills the network connection. But it happens when the computer goes into sleep mode. |
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| 00:58.55 | MrRoy | gnarface: I had to reboot, and when I rebooted, wlan0 was 'ethernet' for some reason |
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| 00:59.59 | gnarface | MrRoy: that's distressing... unfortunately from here I think you need the help of google and/or someone who is more familiar with the recent ati drivers+hardware. all i can suggest is ... maybe try the open source radeon driver instead? its likely to be more stable, if not faster. |
| 01:00.11 | gnarface | MrRoy: but i would expect there's a workaround in the wild for the bug you're experiencing |
| 01:00.16 | gnarface | MrRoy: i just don't know it |
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| 01:00.43 | MrRoy | gnarface: I think I know why it won't connect to the network. The /interfaces file seems to have lost data |
| 01:00.47 | somiaj | yea I just use the open source driver here on my laptop since I don't need 3d acceleration. |
| 01:01.02 | somiaj | MrRoy: did you ever use network-manager? |
| 01:01.26 | gnarface | MrRoy: nothing should have overwritten that file unless you installed a graphical network management utiltity like network-manager (and don't forget that i warned you about that p.o.s.) |
| 01:01.33 | gnarface | brb |
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| 01:01.56 | MrRoy | gnarface: Well I supposed it would've lost data by force shotdown, but idk |
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| 01:03.19 | gnarface | MrRoy: uh, which filesystem did you use? that should be a pretty rare-to-impossible occurance with any modern linux filesystem |
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| 01:03.33 | MrRoy | gnarface: Found the problem. Not sure why but it uses 255.255.255.255 as a default gateway, when my network's is 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:03.38 | gnarface | MrRoy: however network-manager being badly behaved is a *very* likely culprit |
| 01:03.48 | gnarface | MrRoy: uh.. that's a subnet mask |
| 01:03.58 | MrRoy | gnarface: Err, yeah sorry |
| 01:04.01 | gnarface | stepping outside for a bit, brb |
| 01:04.07 | MrRoy | gnarface: Used to french terms :P |
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| 01:08.49 | hydromet | hi somiaj: to follow up on your suggestion yesterday for building a deb binary package from an upstream source, you mentioned one possibility of "debian/rules binary" and this worked for me yesterday ... I'm wondering how this would differ from alternatively using 'cd debian/ ; debuild -i -us -uc -b"? Are they logically equivalent? |
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| 01:11.19 | somiaj | hydromet: I can't tell you the exact differences, but yes the rules script is what gets used to create the binary. |
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| 01:11.40 | somiaj | hydromet: there may be somethings that it does that I'm not that familar with the build tools -- I just use what I know has worked |
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| 01:12.47 | hydromet | somiaj: thanks, makes sense |
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| 01:14.05 | somiaj | I'm a bit out of date, but it use to be making a rules script required a lot of debian knowledge, then came the cdbs (common debian build system) which would allow you to create a mostly empty rules script and build the package (provided automake/autoconf/configure scripts were all basic) |
| 01:14.33 | somiaj | but I think the new debian system dh7 or something like that is now more automatics so the cdbs is a bit out of date |
| 01:14.50 | somiaj | hydromet: but if someone has made a sane debian/ dir needing these auto generated ones isn't much of an issue in our case (: |
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| 01:15.07 | gnarface | i typically just cheap out and use checkinstall to generate packages from source - but i have pretty simple requirements for them |
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| 01:15.32 | MrRoy | gnarface: You're probably gonna hate me for that but I just feel like reinstalling... |
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| 01:15.35 | MrRoy | :P |
| 01:17.13 | gnarface | MrRoy: hah. you should read the docs for that fglrx driver and look online for the problem you're having to see if there's a workaround... but we got sidetracked here by the bug. did you manage to verify that the fglrx module loaded? if it did then X11 might work for you now with the xorg.conf you already have, at least until the computer goes to sleep again or whatever it was doing |
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| 01:17.33 | hydromet | somiaj: indeed ... it looks as if the upstream original source provider I've been dealing with the past few days, they highly like do have a "sane" debian/ dir so I went ahead and followed their suggestion of using debuild (it was only today that I found a difficult-to-find wiki page suggesting how to build the deb binary package ... it may be sane but kind of too bad that their wiki page was not very noticeable, perhaps they put no rob |
| 01:17.33 | hydromet | txt in their web server so Google didn't find it) |
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| 01:18.08 | gnarface | MrRoy: also, you might have better luck with the radeon driver (its the open source one) especially if you don't need hardware accelerated 3d (although i believe it does support some hardware 3d accel for certain cards) |
| 01:18.24 | hydromet | somiaj: thanks a lot for your suggestions, quite helpful (good to know the options for the future) |
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| 01:19.18 | MrRoy | gnarface: I was hoping a bit of gaming (emulators, stuff like this), so I would need hardware 3d. Also, I still have that problem about the subnet mask. I didn't touch anything related to this, would would it suddenly use 255.255.255.255? |
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| 01:19.39 | somiaj | hydromet: yea I find it not to difficult to compile many things i use from upstream into a package, and prefer it because of how much I enjoy dpkg |
| 01:20.37 | gnarface | MrRoy: the subnet mask change... i can't think of anything that would do that but network-manager. you should uninstall it and just stick to a hand-edited /etc/network/interfaces file if you don't want that to ever happen again. |
| 01:21.01 | MrRoy | gnarface: I don't think I even have one... |
| 01:21.06 | gnarface | MrRoy: depending on your video card(s) the radeon driver may actually even support 3d on them better than the fglrx driver. |
| 01:21.13 | hydromet | somiaj: I'm just touching the tip of the iceberg with dpkg (I have historically mostly used Mac OS X and macports) -- I can't help but really like Debian and its package management tools |
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| 01:21.46 | gnarface | MrRoy: what does "lsmod |grep fgl" -i output for you? |
| 01:22.00 | gnarface | MrRoy: er, i mean: "lsmod |grep fgl -i" |
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| 01:22.31 | MrRoy | gnarface: "fglrx 2452362 0" |
| 01:22.44 | gnarface | MrRoy: beautiful. what happens when you try to start X11? |
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| 01:23.25 | MrRoy | Black screen, I'm unable to get out of it using ctrl+alt+FX |
| 01:23.50 | gnarface | MrRoy: must be a new error now. pastebin us your new Xorg.0.log? |
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| 01:24.34 | MrRoy | gnarface: Had to force shutdown, and I won't be able to pastebin it since I don't have a network connection |
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| 01:25.13 | gnarface | hey guys, how do you re-enable the ctrl+alt+backspace|fN hot keys in X11? |
| 01:25.25 | gnarface | i didn't even notice when they started getting disabled by default |
| 01:25.36 | somiaj | hydromet: yes dpkg is the reason I switched to debian and have been here for many many years |
| 01:25.59 | gnarface | MrRoy: you can't bring the network connection back up when you reboot it? |
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| 01:26.18 | MrRoy | gnarface: Nope, it still uses 255.255.255.255 as a subnet mask |
| 01:26.30 | gnarface | MrRoy: dpkg -l |grep net |
| 01:26.34 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 01:26.49 | gnarface | MrRoy: actually try this instead: dpkg -l |grep net -i |
| 01:26.57 | gnarface | MrRoy: actually try this instead i mean: dpkg -l |grep network -i |
| 01:27.03 | somiaj | gnarface: google says `Section "ServerFlags"\nOption "DontZap" "T/F"\nEndSection` |
| 01:27.17 | MrRoy | There's a lot of stuff. What am I looking for? |
| 01:27.31 | gnarface | MrRoy: network-manager or networkmanager or something like that in the left column |
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| 01:28.30 | MrRoy | gnarface: it mentions it a couple times. Some times also GNOME, even though I purged GNOME |
| 01:28.47 | somiaj | gnarface: oh wait now I'm reading that is the old option, seems its been moved to xkb, and you set the terminate with setxkbmap |
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| 01:29.37 | gnarface | MrRoy: a good start would be to dpkg --purge [packagename] every package that begins with "network-manager" (including the one of that name) |
| 01:30.19 | gnarface | somiaj: does it say where the file is? |
| 01:30.23 | MrRoy | gnarface: That's done |
| 01:30.33 | somiaj | gnarface: I think its just an option that isn't set by default |
| 01:31.04 | somiaj | Option "XkbOptions" "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" -- need to add that to the keyboard inputDevice section to enable it, or just use setxkbmap -o terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 01:31.48 | gnarface | MrRoy: ^^^ try what somiaj just said to re-enable your ctrl-alt-fN hotkeys but that's probably a different issue. |
| 01:32.18 | somiaj | the ctrl-alt-fN keys seem to be setup by default |
| 01:32.19 | gnarface | MrRoy: what you need to get your network working again is to hand edit your /etc/network/interfaces file. it should have a local loopback device and an entry for your wireless device |
| 01:32.34 | somiaj | if they aren't working X has died and probabaly taken the keyboard with it....its just the terminate one that has been disabled by default |
| 01:33.00 | gnarface | MrRoy: its possible there is an IO lock happening because the fglrx drivers hate your video card. did you verify from the readme that your card is one supported by them? |
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| 01:33.20 | MrRoy | gnarface: Yes I configured the /etc/network/interfaces file manually to connect to WPA2. But there's nothing I did related to the subnet mask. |
| 01:33.43 | gnarface | MrRoy: pastebin your interfaces file? it should be easy to set the subnet mask in there |
| 01:33.46 | MrRoy | gnarface: As for the readme, well the script I downloaded from the ATI website was linked to me after selecting my card serie (HD 6xxx) |
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| 01:35.04 | gnarface | MrRoy: does your wireless use dhcp or do you use a static ip? |
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| 01:36.14 | MrRoy | gnarface: It uses DHCP. Also I added a submask line, then ifdown wlan0, ifup wlan0, still 255.255.255.255 |
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| 01:36.33 | gnarface | MrRoy: dhcp should preclude the need for a subnet mask line |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: 'route -n' ? |
| 01:36.45 | abrotman_ | can he pastebin anything? |
| 01:36.51 | MrRoy | I can't |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman_ | what is the gateway? what should the netmask be? |
| 01:37.04 | abrotman_ | and what is the default network device? |
| 01:37.16 | k-man | when I try and install nodm, I get this errro: http://pastie.org/2524111 |
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| 01:39.17 | gnarface | k-man: looks broken |
| 01:39.25 | somiaj | k-man: what version of debian? Have you checked the bts, seems to be a bug/issue with your post-inst script |
| 01:39.31 | k-man | gnarface, I figured that bit out for myself ;) |
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| 01:39.50 | k-man | wheezy |
| 01:40.04 | n-iCe | can anyone help me with my audio? all is set up to max and unmuted, I can hear noises and the mouse pad when I click and when I type, is a laptop mic built-in, but I don't hear voices |
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| 01:40.18 | MrRoy | gnarface: I'mma go to sleep for now. I'll check into this tomorrow. I might simply reinstall from scratch and try not to fuck up. |
| 01:40.25 | somiaj | k-man: check the bts, parse though the post-install script, see what is erroring out, fix it. Welcome to testing. (: |
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| 01:40.43 | gnarface | MrRoy: hah alright well, good luck. don't install network-manager next time |
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| 01:40.57 | k-man | somiaj, how do I run the post-install script to diagnose? |
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| 01:41.28 | Ori_B | hi. recently sudo has stopped having /sbin and /usr/sbin in it's path |
| 01:41.43 | Ori_B | any idea what I need to tweak to fix this? |
| 01:42.04 | MrRoy | gnarface: Well I havent. In the installation process, I did not check the "Install a Desktop Environment" option, yet it installed GNOME and all the crap that came with it, including the NM. The dpkg bot told me what to purge, which I did, apparantly the NM was still there |
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| 01:42.31 | somiaj | k-man: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkgname>.postinst |
| 01:42.37 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: did you try to set your netmask/route with the 'route' command? |
| 01:42.38 | MrRoy | gnarface: The only checked option in the installation process was (I don't remember the exact term) basic components. I guess I will uncheck that tomorrow. |
| 01:42.47 | gnarface | MrRoy: seems like something re-installed it. gnome is known for pulling in an obscene amount of dependencies. |
| 01:43.24 | gnarface | MrRoy: no, don't uncheck "base system" that will not include network manager.. likely some other gnome stuff pulled it in |
| 01:43.30 | MrRoy | abrotman_: I haven't, I'll try this |
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| 01:44.03 | MrRoy | gnarface: Well the whole gnome DE got in, I mean, after the installation process, it booted directly into the DE with the gui and all |
| 01:44.22 | gnarface | MrRoy: then you ran easy17.sh and everything broke, right? |
| 01:44.46 | MrRoy | gnarface: I ran easy17.sh after purging what the dpkg bot told me to purge |
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| 01:45.27 | gnarface | MrRoy: you only selected "base system" from the installer and it put gnome in? |
| 01:46.04 | MrRoy | gnarface: Yes, base system was selected by default, and I had gnome when it rebooted after the installation |
| 01:46.39 | gnarface | MrRoy: i think something went wrong there. you must have had some desktop environment selected |
| 01:47.39 | MrRoy | gnarface: I'm 100% sure it wasn't checked. The only checked thing in the list was base system. |
| 01:48.36 | MrRoy | Anyway tomorrow I'm gonna set things better. I want more than 40GB for my partition, and I'll make a backup of my important things and wipe my windows partition, so reinstall isn't such a bad option. |
| 01:48.47 | gnarface | MrRoy: what command did you use to get the dpkg bot to tell you a list of files to remove? |
| 01:49.04 | gnarface | MrRoy: i would be wary of that easy17.sh script. |
| 01:49.11 | abrotman_ | why not just use the route command to try to fix this? |
| 01:49.20 | MrRoy | !about remove gnome |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman_ | still haven't gotten a response on the stuff i asked about above |
| 01:49.35 | gnarface | !debian-fr |
| 01:49.35 | dpkg | well, debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman_ | !fr |
| 01:49.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman_ | ? |
| 01:50.06 | n-iCe | can anyone help me with my audio? all is set up to max and unmuted, I can hear noises and the mouse pad when I click and when I type, is a laptop mic built-in, but I don't hear voices |
| 01:50.09 | MrRoy | abrotman_: Sorry, I forgot. What is the command exactly I should type to set the subnet mask? |
| 01:50.15 | scotd | how can I determine which soundcard is being used? |
| 01:50.24 | gnarface | abrotman_: he mentioned earlier he was more used to french terms. i took that to mean english is his second language. that might be part of why he's having trouble keeping up |
| 01:50.45 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: i asked you for output .. not to set anything .. i want to see what it says before you just start blindly making changes .. tends to make problems |
| 01:50.45 | MrRoy | !remove gnome |
| 01:50.45 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 01:51.25 | f00li5h | hrm. |
| 01:51.28 | gnarface | MrRoy: that probably only removes gnome, not other things you may have gotten with it (like networkmanager which i think is not actually part of gnome) |
| 01:51.33 | f00li5h | can someone help me out with some xen rediculiousness? |
| 01:51.37 | f00li5h | http://pastebin.com/HXTfPD7G |
| 01:51.41 | MrRoy | abrotman_: The output is "Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use iface" It looks like a grid but there's nothing else |
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| 01:53.15 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: there are no numbers at all?! |
| 01:53.24 | MrRoy | abrotman_: None. |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman_ | gnarface: if he used aptitude, it should |
| 01:53.36 | k-man | ok, here is some omre output from postinst nodm: http://pastie.org/2524151 |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: and if you /sbin/ifconfig -a .. it shows your netmask as 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 01:54.20 | MrRoy | abrotman_: The wlan0 one doesn't say what my mask is |
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| 01:54.31 | abrotman_ | and what's the gateway? |
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| 01:54.37 | MrRoy | abrotman_: And it's identifying it as 'Ethernet' even though it's a wireless card |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman_ | doesn't matter |
| 01:55.23 | allan_wind | Anyone have flash with pulse audio working on firefox 6? |
| 01:56.00 | allan_wind | Google seem to serve up mostly old stuff |
| 01:56.03 | k-man | there is a bit in the nodm postinst http://pastie.org/2524151 that calls update-rd.d - that perhaps is the problem? |
| 01:56.15 | k-man | has the syntax for update-rc.d changed in wheezy? |
| 01:56.29 | kuznetzvo-afk | damn roy, haven't fixed it yet? |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman_ | and what's the gateway? |
| 01:56.40 | MrRoy | abrotman_: It doesn't tell the gateway either |
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| 01:56.45 | gnarface | kuznetzvo-afk: he had it fixed then he broke it :-P |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: what is *your* gateway |
| 01:56.53 | kuznetzvo-afk | I see :) |
| 01:56.58 | MrRoy | abrotman_: 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:57.16 | kuznetzvo-afk | i suppose that's how you're supposed to learn. |
| 01:57.32 | k-man | and why is that section of the script in a comment block marked: |
| 01:57.36 | MrRoy | kuznetzvo-afk: Yep, I fixed it today by reinstalling with an unencrypted network to make it download the packages but it broke a couple hours ago |
| 01:57.39 | k-man | # Automatically added by dh_installinit |
| 01:57.40 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: route default add netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 ... does that make 'route -n' spit stuff out ? |
| 01:58.07 | kuznetzvo-afk | interesting |
| 01:58.43 | MrRoy | abrotman_: It seems to be a wrong usage |
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| 01:59.00 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: error is? |
| 01:59.23 | abrotman_ | bleh .. tack a wlan0 on the end maybe? |
| 01:59.37 | MrRoy | abrotman_: Dunno, I entered the like exactly as you wrote it and it just tells me wrong usage, like if I typed -h instead |
| 01:59.53 | MrRoy | abrotman_: same thing with wlan0 |
| 01:59.59 | allan_wind | This is how you add a default route: |
| 01:59.59 | allan_wind | route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:59.59 | allan_wind | and route -n is how to dump what is there |
| 02:00.15 | un214 | I think he omitted add -net |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman_ | allan_wind: that won't change his netmask |
| 02:00.32 | un214 | route add -net default netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 wlan0 |
| 02:00.52 | gnarface | MrRoy: ^^^^ try this one |
| 02:01.11 | MrRoy | un214, gnarface: I get "SIOCADDRT: No such process2 |
| 02:01.11 | allan_wind | abrotman: always did the right netmask for me... shrug |
| 02:01.53 | abrotman_ | MrRoy: you might have to ifdown it first |
| 02:02.33 | kuznetzvo-afk | how do you roast the config of a network connection that badly? |
| 02:02.38 | MrRoy | abrotman_: ifdown wlan0'd, same thing |
| 02:02.53 | gnarface | MrRoy: how certain are you that is the correct gateway? |
| 02:02.56 | kuznetzvo-afk | I mean i've broken some legendary shit in my tinkering but i haven't actually messed up the routing table to the point it couldn't be easily and quickly fixed |
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| 02:03.21 | MrRoy | kuznetzvo-afk: No idea, me and gnarface were trying to fix my fglxw drivers, then I lost connection via SSH, turned my head towards my tower and it was a frozen black screen. Had to force shutdown, and when I booted it was screwed like this |
| 02:03.55 | MrRoy | gnarface: My router is set on 192.168.0.1, the laptop I'm on is on it too. |
| 02:03.56 | kuznetzvo-afk | that makes me want to donate some replacement hardware to you |
| 02:04.24 | gnarface | kuznetzvo-afk: i suspect network-manager got accidentally installed as a dependency of something and then (predictably) choked and died |
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| 02:04.54 | allan_wind | gnarface: aptitude logs what it installs |
| 02:05.00 | kuznetzvo-afk | ah, not the first time i've seen people here mention something bad happening with "network manager" in the same sentence |
| 02:05.53 | gnarface | allan_wind: oh the fact it was installed is not in question. we found it earlier with dpkg -l, IMO what installed it is semi-irrelevant |
| 02:06.23 | gnarface | allan_wind: the issue seems to be compounded by the fact the fglrx drivers are giving him a black screen of death |
| 02:06.49 | moshee | I'm booting the debian netinstall iso from my apple tv and it's asking for a cd/dvd drive to load installer files from, but I can't access the iso from the installer |
| 02:06.51 | allan_wind | gnarface: yeah, that sucks |
| 02:06.59 | moshee | is there any way to make it load things from the iso? |
| 02:07.09 | MrRoy | gnarface, abrotman_: I think it would be best for all of us if I just reinstalled tomorrow. |
| 02:07.13 | moshee | (trying to install onto the same partition, dunno if you can even do this) |
| 02:07.29 | MrRoy | gnarface, abrotman_: The problem seems too complicated and I gotta get some sleep |
| 02:07.32 | gnarface | abrotman_: its past his bedtime |
| 02:07.54 | gnarface | MrRoy: irc will still be here tomorrow. get some sleep. |
| 02:08.34 | gnarface | moshee: uh, i think if you alt-f2 or alt-f3 or f4 or something one of those terminals is inactive and you can wake it up and do things like mount disks and manually load/unload modules and such |
| 02:08.36 | MrRoy | gnarface: Yeah, and I guess I'll just make sure nothing gnome related gets installed tomorrow. |
| 02:09.07 | moshee | gnarface, is it different from the stripped-down ash terminal they give you as an option in the installer? |
| 02:09.09 | MrRoy | gnarface, abrotman_: Thanks for the help, I might be back tomorrow if something goes wrong :P |
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| 02:09.16 | moshee | because I can't mount from there |
| 02:10.05 | gnarface | moshee: oh, no its not. that's the terminal i was telling you about. however the reason you can't mount is probably because it starts out in a read-only location. cd into temp or tmp or whatever from there and then make a subdirectory and mount that. |
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| 02:10.23 | moshee | ah alright, I'll try that |
| 02:10.57 | gnarface | moshee: do you know the iso will have the drivers you need? have you modified it or something to include extra drivers? |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman_ | hehe |
| 02:12.01 | moshee | it's just the netinstall iso downloaded from debian.org, no modifications |
| 02:12.18 | moshee | and I get a mount failure, invalid argument it says |
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| 02:13.19 | kuznetzvo-afk | heh heh... |
| 02:13.31 | kuznetzvo-afk | hands out barrels of whisky to prepare for roy's visit tomorrow. |
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| 02:14.39 | allan_wind | moshee: something is fishy... if you booted of the cd then it's probably still mounted, and if it netinst it will ask for network parameters shortly after boot |
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| 02:15.01 | moshee | I have no cd drive, it's an apple tv |
| 02:15.09 | moshee | I booted from the iso using kexec |
| 02:15.24 | moshee | via telnet running on a usb stick |
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| 02:15.51 | allan_wind | moshee: sorry, I know nothing about apple tvs. Did you get to a terminal yet? What does mount say? |
| 02:16.04 | allan_wind | (terminal the alt-f2 thingy mentioned before) |
| 02:16.05 | moshee | I'm using the terminal listed in the installer |
| 02:16.17 | moshee | and I made a folder called os in /tmp |
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| 02:16.26 | moshee | mount /dev/sda4 os gives error invalid argument |
| 02:16.37 | moshee | although I'm not sure if that makes sense |
| 02:16.41 | allan_wind | moshee: ... and mount without argumetns? |
| 02:16.43 | moshee | because the iso is on /dev/sda4 |
| 02:16.52 | moshee | I did that once, lemme try again |
| 02:17.04 | Ori_B | *repeats question* recently sudo has stopped having /sbin and /usr/sbin in it's path |
| 02:17.15 | Ori_B | any idea what to do to fix this? |
| 02:17.34 | allan_wind | Ori_B: visudo probably has a path setting |
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| 02:18.07 | Ori_B | it has 'env_reset' |
| 02:18.12 | Ori_B | which is the closest I can see. |
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| 02:18.59 | Ori_B | (...which doesn't seem to be reseting the environment, actually. 'sudo which cm' returns the utility I've installed into ~/bin) |
| 02:19.00 | allan_wind | Try sick PATH in env_keep |
| 02:19.13 | moshee | allan_wind, none, none, tempfs, none, /dev/sda1 |
| 02:19.34 | Ori_B | allan_wind: the problem is the opposite... env_reset isn't actually resetting to root's environment. |
| 02:19.54 | gnarface | Ori_B: i've never had that problem before. have you tried "sudo -" instead of just "sudo" ? |
| 02:20.12 | allan_wind | moshee: that's not the format I expected |
| 02:20.16 | Ori_B | sudo - ifconfig |
| 02:20.20 | Ori_B | sudo: -: command not found |
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| 02:20.25 | moshee | sorry, the tv is in another room |
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| 02:20.37 | moshee | and I have to use the same keyboard for this computer and the appletv |
| 02:20.38 | chjj | things gnarface meant su - |
| 02:20.43 | allan_wind | Ori_B: usually... people see that when they do sudo su and they want sudo su - |
| 02:20.45 | chjj | thinks* |
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| 02:20.58 | Ori_B | well, 'sudo su -c 'foo'' does work |
| 02:21.01 | gnarface | chjj: yea probably. isn't there an equivalent for sudo though? (other than sudo su -) |
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| 02:21.18 | chjj | well su - just tells su to substitute you with root |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman_ | not quite |
| 02:21.51 | chjj | no? |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman_ | su can let you become users besides root |
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| 02:22.18 | moshee | rootfs on / type rootfs, none on /proc type proc, none on /sys type sysfs, tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs, /dev/sda1 on /media type vfat |
| 02:22.23 | simonlnu | su - someuser |
| 02:22.42 | chjj | abrotman_: right, but su - is equal to su root |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman_ | chjj: in general, "su" is sometihng like "switch user" .. but if you do not specify a username, it defaults to root |
| 02:22.56 | simonlnu | the - is special... look it up ;) |
| 02:23.04 | abrotman_ | chjj: su root and su - are not the same |
| 02:23.05 | allan_wind | moshee: the none stuff is odd.... here is how mount looks for me: /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro). This tells me that /dev/sda1 is mounted on /. |
| 02:23.14 | chjj | abrotman_: ok |
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| 02:23.44 | moshee | is that within the os or in the installer? |
| 02:24.10 | Ori_B | in any case... any idea why env_reset might not be doing anything? |
| 02:24.33 | moshee | so what's up is... I'm booting from an iso, and I need to grab data from that same iso, and install onto the same partition as the iso is on |
| 02:24.57 | simonlnu | it does do something, it resets the environment |
| 02:25.00 | allan_wind | moshee: well... the installer runs the os. Things are mounted differently doing the install. Anyways... once you figure out how that is mouted |
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| 02:25.48 | Ori_B | simonlnu: $ sudo which cm |
| 02:25.48 | Ori_B | /home/ori/bin/bin//cm |
| 02:26.18 | Ori_B | simonlnu: $PATH still includes my user's $PATH |
| 02:26.26 | Ori_B | and does /not/ include /sbin, /usr/sbin |
| 02:26.38 | Ori_B | which makes 'sudo script-to-run-as-root' not really work. |
| 02:26.54 | Ori_B | including stuff like 'sudo aptitude update' (which complains about things like missing ldconfig) |
| 02:28.14 | zykotick9_ | Ori_B, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.8.2-1/changelog for the changelog for the sudo PATH change. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/416223 might have some suggestions. I don't use sudo or sid/wheezy as my regular desktop, so haven't run into this issue - though I think there were some debian-user mailing list threads about it. |
| 02:29.22 | Ori_B | zykotick9_: thanks -- looking at those now |
| 02:29.56 | simonlnu | doesn't touch PATH any more |
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| 02:30.39 | simonlnu | ah zykotick9_ covered it, good |
| 02:31.16 | Ori_B | seems a bit unexpected to change that... |
| 02:31.34 | k-man | what is the purpose of /usr/share/debconf/frontend ? |
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| 02:33.10 | Ori_B | simonlnu, zykotick9_ |
| 02:33.13 | Ori_B | : it's fixed now |
| 02:33.14 | Ori_B | thanks. |
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| 02:41.45 | Sgt_Lemming | hey guys, brand new squeeze install, phpsysinfo won't work |
| 02:42.02 | Sgt_Lemming | tried to reinstall it, still not working |
| 02:42.06 | Sgt_Lemming | just getting a 404 |
| 02:42.08 | somiaj | Sgt_Lemming: my mind reading hat is on the fritz, what do you mean by won't work? |
| 02:42.10 | Sgt_Lemming | apache works though |
| 02:42.30 | allan_wind | Sgt_Lemming: have you looked in the web server error log yet? |
| 02:42.32 | somiaj | Sgt_Lemming: have you followed any advise in /usr/share/doc/phpsysinfo on how to get apache seeing it? |
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| 02:43.54 | Sgt_Lemming | allan_wind, nope, not normally a software person, so well out of my league here |
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| 02:44.54 | Sgt_Lemming | ah right, found it now |
| 02:45.01 | Sgt_Lemming | I think... |
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| 02:46.40 | Sgt_Lemming | last time I did this was under etch, "apt-get install phpsysinfo" left you with a working version of it, no further config required |
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| 02:48.02 | somiaj | Sgt_Lemming: what was it this time, was the info you needed in /usr/share/doc/phpsysinfo? |
| 02:48.35 | Sgt_Lemming | doing that atm |
| 02:48.38 | Sgt_Lemming | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.43 | Sgt_Lemming | sigh, stupid client |
| 02:49.55 | somiaj | useful place to know to look for info about configuring/setting up a package after you install it |
| 02:50.09 | somiaj | though not all packages are that nice, most are at putting useful info there |
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| 02:50.24 | Sgt_Lemming | yeah, thanks for that one |
| 02:50.34 | Sgt_Lemming | setting a new server for our minecraft server :-D |
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| 02:59.38 | f00li5h | If i'm on squeeze, I want squeeze-backports, right? |
| 02:59.47 | f00li5h | or is that things ported backwards from squeeze? |
| 03:00.26 | allan_wind | I use squeeze-backports on squeeze |
| 03:01.10 | Sgt_Lemming | ok, well got it to do something else, got 403 instead of 404 this time >_< |
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| 03:01.57 | allan_wind | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.02 | Sgt_Lemming | rofl |
| 03:02.07 | Sgt_Lemming | applauds |
| 03:02.10 | Sgt_Lemming | very droll |
| 03:02.29 | allan_wind | Sgt_Lemming: 403 means forbidden, now it's an access thing |
| 03:02.33 | dondelelcaro | hopefully only 203 to go... |
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| 03:06.40 | Sgt_Lemming | YAY! |
| 03:06.46 | Sgt_Lemming | it's working, it's working! |
| 03:07.25 | Sgt_Lemming | mmm, 16GB of ram free :-D |
| 03:07.25 | Sgt_Lemming | got to love it |
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| 03:16.19 | mufasis | can someone help me real quick. i have a hp proliant server that has fake raid, i completed the installation using the dmraid flag and installed on the raid stripe, the grub installation failed which i figured it would, how do i go about installing grub so it will work? |
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| 03:16.50 | Sgt_Lemming | mufasis what model proliant? |
| 03:17.00 | allan_wind | mufasis: can't you disable the fake raid and use mdadm instead? |
| 03:17.52 | mufasis | proliant dl320 g2 |
| 03:18.18 | mufasis | allan_wind do you think that is a better option because i can disable the raid in the bios |
| 03:18.20 | mufasis | ? |
| 03:18.26 | Sgt_Lemming | http://www.debian-on-proliant.com/index-dl.php |
| 03:18.43 | Sgt_Lemming | according to that it needs proprietary drivers to work |
| 03:19.17 | allan_wind | mufasis: I would as the raid controller doesn't do anything for anyways; if you have a $500+ raid controller with battery backup it's an entirely diff matter |
| 03:20.16 | moshee | so I'm booted using vmlinuz and initrd.gz and I'm at the installer, is there any way to "load installer files" from an iso or a folder on the hdd itself? |
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| 03:21.10 | allan_wind | moshee: install give you an option to configure a source, no"? |
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| 03:21.16 | moshee | nope |
| 03:21.24 | moshee | I don't think it's actually booting from the iso |
| 03:21.27 | moshee | just a ramdisk |
| 03:22.02 | moshee | http://www.bildites.lv/images/i3d79a84rfd9czsg4s7e.png like this, only text-based |
| 03:22.34 | mufasis | thank you Sgt_lemming |
| 03:22.54 | Sgt_Lemming | np |
| 03:22.55 | mufasis | allan_wind: do you have a link for setting up software raid? |
| 03:24.03 | allan_wind | mufasis: no, sorry. It's pretty easy to do, and the installer might even walk you through it... use md for the disk then pile on lvm on top to give you flexibility to evole |
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| 03:25.16 | allan_wind | moshee: hmm... choice between mount a cd and using existing cd |
| 03:25.39 | moshee | the thing is, I can't access /dev/sda4 for some reason |
| 03:25.41 | moshee | and that's where my iso is |
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| 03:26.37 | moshee | when I select "detect and mount cd-rom" I get a lot of the same error as I had before in the alt-f4 terminal, "invalid argument" |
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| 03:26.52 | moshee | doesn't look like I can use mount on the ramdisk |
| 03:28.42 | allan_wind | moshee: do you get the same error when you do: mount /dev/sda4 /mnt? sda4 usually means the 4th partition of disk a, and /dev/sda1 is your usb stick, right? How do you know it's sda4? |
| 03:30.06 | moshee | the usb stick is not attached, my vmlinuz and initrd.gz are on /dev/sda4 which is the ext3 partition I created earlier |
| 03:30.35 | moshee | I loaded the installer with kexec |
| 03:31.15 | allan_wind | moshee: does dmesg tell you anything about the devices found? |
| 03:31.23 | moshee | lemme check |
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| 03:35.18 | moshee | sorry, kernel panic... one moment |
| 03:35.31 | allan_wind | sounds like your hardware is shaky |
| 03:35.37 | allan_wind | (poorly supported) |
| 03:35.38 | moshee | I rebooted it |
| 03:35.44 | moshee | with a wrong setting |
| 03:36.11 | moshee | I know it's possible, I just don't have a usb hub |
| 03:37.52 | mufasis | allan_wind: tell me if this is correct real quick, i disable the fakeraid in bios, run installer, erase both drives and create partitions on both drives that are equal and set them to physical volume for raid then configure the raid and link using MD correct? |
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| 03:38.25 | Sgt_Lemming | mufasis, sounds about right to me |
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| 03:38.31 | allan_wind | mufasis: sounds good to me |
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| 03:47.33 | moshee | allan_wind, dmesg scrolls text for like 10 seconds, what am I looking for? |
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| 03:48.08 | allan_wind | mshee: dmesg | less; look for devices /sd |
| 03:48.26 | allan_wind | (/ is search in less; grep if installer doesn't have less) |
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| 03:49.40 | simonlnu | has more |
| 03:49.51 | allan_wind | use grep then |
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| 03:51.33 | moshee | http://i.imgur.com/qwHqQ.jpg this is what I get |
| 03:53.12 | allan_wind | could you try that again and grep for cdrom or sr |
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| 03:54.12 | moshee | ok |
| 03:54.22 | karlpinc | !tell moshee about pastebinit |
| 03:55.02 | allan_wind | moshee: time for me to sleep; best of luck. sr0 is the name of the cdrom on my machine. If you cannot get to your cdrom you should be able to use the usb disk although I am not sure exactly how you do that |
| 03:55.32 | Sgt_Lemming | no cd-rom in the machine at all moshee? |
| 03:55.46 | moshee | no results |
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| 03:56.17 | moshee | and yeah I have no cd drive |
| 03:56.17 | Sgt_Lemming | moshee, does the phsyical computer have a cd-rom? |
| 03:56.18 | moshee | it's an apple tv |
| 03:56.23 | Sgt_Lemming | oh |
| 03:56.26 | Sgt_Lemming | have fun with that |
| 03:56.30 | moshee | and just one usb port |
| 03:56.32 | moshee | :X |
| 03:56.39 | Sgt_Lemming | yeah I am well familiar with the devices |
| 03:56.41 | Sgt_Lemming | I have one |
| 03:56.52 | Sgt_Lemming | any particular reason you want debian on it? |
| 03:56.57 | moshee | to make it useful |
| 03:57.13 | moshee | because right now we don't really use it |
| 03:57.24 | Sgt_Lemming | stick xbmc on it? |
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| 03:57.38 | moshee | I was gonna use it as a dedicated server |
| 03:57.48 | moshee | don't really plan on using it for its original intended use |
| 03:57.52 | Sgt_Lemming | heh |
| 03:57.54 | moshee | my dad bought it a while ago |
| 03:58.12 | moshee | but yeah, guess I'll have to go buy a usb hub tomorrow |
| 03:58.16 | moshee | if there's really nothing possible |
| 03:59.18 | Sgt_Lemming | afaik you can't directly install onto the device |
| 03:59.36 | moshee | I was doing this http://code.google.com/p/atv-bootloader/wiki/BootingLiveCD |
| 03:59.36 | Sgt_Lemming | you need to take the HDD out, put an image on that and then use that to get it running |
| 03:59.55 | Sgt_Lemming | also it doesn't run a standard BIOS, it runs an apple EFI |
| 04:00.04 | moshee | yeah |
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| 04:39.02 | n-iCe | hello |
| 04:39.12 | n-iCe | How come I downloaded an .iso and KDE was installed?! |
| 04:39.52 | somiaj | n-iCe: What do you mean? |
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| 04:40.17 | n-iCe | I downloaded the amd64 .iso but I have KDE as desktop instead gnome?! |
| 04:40.21 | Sgt_Lemming | n-iCe, did you select "desktop environment" during package selection? |
| 04:40.34 | n-iCe | Sgt_Lemming: yes, as always, and always install gnome |
| 04:40.43 | somiaj | n-iCe: Where did you download this .iso from? |
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| 04:40.59 | gunk | what's in /var/log/installer/syslog ? |
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| 04:41.17 | n-iCe | somiaj: debian |
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| 04:41.20 | n-iCe | debian.org |
| 04:41.24 | n-iCe | gunk: me? |
| 04:41.29 | gunk | yup |
| 04:41.40 | gunk | the reason for it being installed should be in the logs somewhere |
| 04:42.05 | gunk | just remove it and install gnome, I don't think this will be reproducible ;p |
| 04:42.33 | n-iCe | I like clean instals |
| 04:42.35 | n-iCe | installs |
| 04:42.46 | n-iCe | the question is, can KDE debian be downloaded form debian.org? |
| 04:42.47 | n-iCe | from |
| 04:43.07 | dondelelcaro | n-iCe: we have install images which install KDE by default, yes. |
| 04:43.19 | n-iCe | where do I see if my debian iso was kde |
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| 04:45.01 | n-iCe | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 04:45.04 | n-iCe | will be that KDE? |
| 04:45.10 | n-iCe | Is the one I downloaded I am almost sure |
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| 04:46.23 | somiaj | most likely since gnome in testing is in sad shape |
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| 04:47.23 | somiaj | hmm, maybe that one is gone -- there is a -kde- one down there and a -xfce one as well |
| 04:47.31 | somiaj | maybe you just missclicked n-iCe |
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| 04:50.07 | n-iCe | somiaj: the link I just gave you is it gnome? |
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| 04:51.05 | somiaj | n-iCe: I don't know for sure, but I haven't heard of the default desktop changing. |
| 04:51.05 | streuner_ | n-iCe: How about to use a stable d-i and upgrade to testing? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.2.1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 04:51.22 | somiaj | though he dosen't want kde, he wants the normal gnome one |
| 04:51.29 | streuner_ | heh |
| 04:51.34 | n-iCe | I want gnome |
| 04:51.42 | n-iCe | don't know why kde was installed |
| 04:51.44 | n-iCe | that's just odd |
| 04:51.52 | streuner_ | ok, then iam totally confused :-) |
| 04:51.52 | n-iCe | And I cannot use stable because microphone doesnot work |
| 04:51.56 | n-iCe | is a laptop has it buil-in |
| 04:52.03 | n-iCe | works just in testing |
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| 04:52.28 | n-iCe | by the way KDE does not look that bad now |
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| 04:56.16 | streuner_ | n-iCe: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 04:56.38 | streuner_ | maybe linux-laptop.net has some trics too... |
| 04:56.55 | n-iCe | don't know what are you talking about :) |
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| 04:57.24 | streuner_ | just read the factoid and read the URL, maybe you know it then :-) |
| 04:58.12 | somiaj | you can also install a newer kernel on stable so you dont' have to use testing |
| 04:58.20 | somiaj | which will probabaly fix your mic issues more than anything |
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| 05:02.29 | asdfqwer | so who has bootstrapped Xen on debian? |
| 05:02.40 | asdfqwer | to run domu and dom0 |
| 05:02.55 | asdfqwer | for hvm |
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| 05:03.32 | asdfqwer | just so you could whore out your gpu to direct3d as a vm? |
| 05:03.42 | asdfqwer | on a* |
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| 05:06.38 | woden | How do I recursively remove all permissions for the other group, while preserving the owner and group permissions? |
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| 05:08.18 | somiaj | woden: man chmod |
| 05:08.51 | somiaj | you can do chmod -R o-r (to take away read privlages) |
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| 05:09.06 | somiaj | -R for recursive o-r for other minus read |
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| 05:10.43 | somiaj | seems 'chmod -R o=' will do it as well |
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| 05:18.42 | cheater | hey guys |
| 05:18.58 | cheater | when i install stuff in apt-get i get this error: /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kmplayer.so is not a symbolic link |
| 05:19.16 | cheater | i tried reinstalling the package this file belongs to but without effect |
| 05:19.21 | cheater | what can i do about it? |
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| 05:22.15 | somiaj | cheater: ls -l /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kmplayer* |
| 05:24.02 | somiaj | cheater: what version of debian as well? |
| 05:24.35 | cheater | not necessarily debian. |
| 05:25.07 | cheater | ls -l shows it's a regular file |
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| 05:25.38 | cheater | also file says: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kmplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 05:25.51 | somiaj | cheater: do you have /usr/lib/kde4/libkdeinit/libkdeinit4_kmplayer.so on your system -- see if its the same file as you have, backup your file turn it into a link |
| 05:26.17 | somiaj | cheater: also dpkg -L <pkg name> to get the list of files it installed. It probabaly creates that link in the postinst script |
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| 05:26.47 | cheater | mhm |
| 05:27.32 | cheater | that is the only instance of that file |
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| 05:28.11 | cheater | does ldconfig have some sort of scripts etc that it reads? |
| 05:29.09 | somiaj | try google |
| 05:29.20 | cheater | really |
| 05:29.27 | somiaj | the only debian package I found that has the file you mentioend is in sid, check the bts |
| 05:29.41 | cheater | ok |
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| 05:30.10 | n-iCe | hello the lastest testing debian iso is installing KDE ,why?! |
| 05:30.34 | n-iCe | where can I download testing with GNOME? |
| 05:30.38 | somiaj | n-iCe: check the changelog that will tell you why. |
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| 05:31.32 | n-iCe | but then why do they add debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 05:31.56 | n-iCe | if they are gonna add kde in debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso as well |
| 05:32.13 | n-iCe | how can I know if the iso has GNOME?! |
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| 05:32.34 | somiaj | these are daily testing iso's, things change in testing. Just say 'no' to the desktop enviorment and install gnome yourself |
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| 05:33.19 | n-iCe | I have done it before |
| 05:33.37 | n-iCe | it does not install the default exactly gnome desktop environment |
| 05:33.57 | n-iCe | how can I know if the iso will install KDE or GNOME? |
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| 05:37.07 | somiaj | install stable if you want the default exact gnome desktop you know |
| 05:37.16 | n-iCe | mic won't work |
| 05:37.19 | somiaj | testing is goign to have gnome3 -- its begining to filter down, things will change |
| 05:37.23 | somiaj | install a backported kernel |
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| 05:37.29 | n-iCe | what's that |
| 05:37.33 | somiaj | testing is going to change drastically with gnome in the next few months |
| 05:37.44 | somiaj | so be prepared to test all the new (possibally buggy features) |
| 05:37.55 | n-iCe | but I really use my mic |
| 05:38.02 | n-iCe | I skype a lot with family |
| 05:38.05 | somiaj | or install stable, and get your mic to work. A backport kernel will be the best option and probabaly work. |
| 05:38.24 | n-iCe | backport kernel? |
| 05:38.30 | somiaj | !backports |
| 05:38.31 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 05:38.42 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 05:38.55 | somiaj | what you want is the kernel 2.6.39 (instead of 2.6.32 in squeeze) |
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| 05:39.21 | bambanx | hello guys , how can i search a specific text , on a specific folders? like search "mytext" into all folders in "home/myuser/downloads" ? thanks |
| 05:39.30 | n-iCe | somiaj: will you be here for a while? |
| 05:39.32 | n-iCe | I am downloading stable now |
| 05:39.37 | n-iCe | will take 20 minutes to download |
| 05:39.43 | n-iCe | maybe you can help me with the mic |
| 05:39.56 | n-iCe | I have no idea how to upgrade the kernel |
| 05:40.02 | n-iCe | And I don't want to screw everything |
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| 05:41.14 | jmarsden | !tell n-iCe about make-kpkg |
| 05:41.16 | evil-man | bambanx: man grep |
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| 05:41.57 | bambanx | evil-man, can you show me a example a i dont undertand well the man grep |
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| 05:43.07 | jmarsden | bambanx: grep -r mytext /home/myuser/downloads |
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| 05:43.24 | bambanx | jmarsden, thanks |
| 05:43.31 | jmarsden | bambanx: You're welcome. |
| 05:43.50 | n-iCe | pokes somiaj |
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| 05:48.27 | n-iCe | you know |
| 05:48.35 | n-iCe | in stable the mic options says something like HDA INTEL |
| 05:48.41 | n-iCe | But in testing says pulse audio |
| 05:48.56 | n-iCe | at least in skype, what does that mean? |
| 05:49.20 | somiaj | pulse audio is a soundserver (optional) while HDA INTEL is the offical alsa driver |
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| 05:49.33 | somiaj | pulse audio is probabaly using the HDA INTEL driver |
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| 05:50.17 | n-iCe | I see, should I install pulse audio in stable then? |
| 05:50.32 | peterrooney | is sick of having to learn a new sound system every release |
| 05:51.28 | somiaj | n-iCe: It is probabaly at the alsa level and not pulseaduio level. |
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| 05:51.47 | maleako | hello debian! |
| 05:52.10 | kuznetzvo-afk | is there actually an install and configuration or just install guide somewhere for ssl on squid [via openssl or gnutls+wrapper] ? google seems to be quite good at returning pure and unqualified shite. |
| 05:52.39 | kuznetzvo-afk | stumbling through the configs and usualy documentation, which worked for setting up eggdrop and basic squid, has been utterly useless for this task... |
| 05:52.51 | kuznetzvo-afk | my usual "linux friends" simply reply, "oh, yeah.. um i never done that." |
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| 06:05.14 | Andorin | I have a problem wherein my entire system will occasionally freeze up if I load an image in my Web browser. I was using Iceweasel 6 when I first came in here to get help on it, and it was recommended that I downgrade. I'm now using 3.5.16, and my system still freezes. |
| 06:05.37 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.09 | Andorin | It happens on both my desktop and laptop, which are running 64-bit and 32-bit Squeeze, respectively. When the system freezes, the cursor still moves but nothing else whatsoever works. I ran memtest on my laptop and it came up clean. |
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| 06:07.43 | kuznetzvo-afk | That's pretty fuckin weird. |
| 06:08.07 | kuznetzvo-afk | and it's loading images, ja, not flash or something else or bad scripts? |
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| 06:10.40 | Andorin | There, my computer froze again right after sending that last message |
| 06:10.56 | Andorin | And it was because I went back and viewed the page that caused the first freeze-up |
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| 06:12.00 | kuznetzvo-afk | and it's loading images, ja, not flash or something else or bad scripts? |
| 06:12.02 | jasonsmr | hello debian channel, has anyone here used mips build latly? |
| 06:12.11 | kuznetzvo-afk | if it's a specific page i'd suspect it's something... not nice |
| 06:12.28 | jasonsmr | I was comming across errors on build --rebuilding now . so I hope everything is allright |
| 06:12.29 | Andorin | It's mostly on imgur.com |
| 06:12.34 | Andorin | Which is a file hosting service |
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| 06:13.06 | Andorin | Anyway, I can share the link if anyone wants to see the page in question... |
| 06:14.03 | wols_ | Andorin: which drivers are you running? nvidia or fglrx? |
| 06:14.21 | Andorin | Also, kuznetzvo-afk, I do use Adblock and NoScript, so I hope it's not loading bad Flash or scripts |
| 06:14.35 | Andorin | wols_: Not sure |
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| 06:14.48 | wols_ | Andorin: uname -r |
| 06:15.07 | Andorin | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 06:15.44 | wols_ | and does the keyboard still work, e.g. pressing num lock will enable the LED? and does ctrl+alt+f2 work? |
| 06:15.51 | Andorin | No |
| 06:16.16 | kuznetzvo-afk | but the cursor moves? |
| 06:16.20 | Andorin | Yes |
| 06:16.47 | Andorin | Okay, the page in question did not freeze up my laptop, in either Iceweasel or Epiphany |
| 06:16.49 | kuznetzvo-afk | pardon me i need another paracetamol tablet |
| 06:17.01 | Andorin | I don't really want to test it on my desktop (this computer) anymore |
| 06:17.20 | wols_ | can you ping the frozen computer? |
| 06:17.49 | Andorin | Hmm, I don't know how |
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| 06:18.40 | AK|laptop | I can load the page on my desktop and we can try |
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| 06:23.04 | kuznetzvo-afk | this page that causes the freeze |
| 06:23.22 | kuznetzvo-afk | have you tried letting the machine that freezes sit there for like.. 30-60 minutes just for shits to see if it will "unfreeze" after some time? |
| 06:23.42 | Andorin | It didn't unfreeze after about twenty minutes at one point, so I assumed it wasn't going to unfreeze at all |
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| 06:24.04 | kuznetzvo-afk | 20 minutes is definitely a reasonable expectation with any kind of decent hardware.. =\ |
| 06:24.21 | Andorin | Agreed |
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| 06:25.06 | Andorin | The page in question is no longer freezing my computer |
| 06:26.27 | kuznetzvo-afk | that sucks for troubleshooting :) |
| 06:26.53 | kuznetzvo-afk | i was just about to formulate some kind of cache related theory |
| 06:27.08 | Andorin | Okay, well, I think I figured out local pinging |
| 06:27.16 | Andorin | Just "ping 192.168.1.5" in my laptop's case |
| 06:27.35 | kuznetzvo-afk | well you want to ping it from another machine really.. |
| 06:27.38 | Andorin | Right |
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| 06:27.47 | kuznetzvo-afk | so you can see if it's actually still running under X taking a dump |
| 06:28.05 | Andorin | Well, Ctrl+Alt+F* doesn't work, so I can't switch to a console and kill X |
| 06:28.18 | wols_ | log in via ssh, then wait for a freeze |
| 06:28.19 | kuznetzvo-afk | indeed |
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| 06:28.49 | gnarface | more fun with fglrx? |
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| 06:29.07 | Andorin | Something else I don't know how to do ^^; I tried "ssh 192.168.1.5" but it said connection refused over port 22 |
| 06:29.34 | Bushmills | Andorin: run, before you start iceweasel, from an xterm sleep 120; pkill -9 iceweasel then open the page |
| 06:30.01 | Andorin | As I said, the page in question isn't freezing my system anymore |
| 06:30.04 | Bushmills | when it hangs, wait until 2 min expired, and whether iceweasel gets killed |
| 06:31.06 | Bushmills | if it doesn't any longer, how would you continue to diagnose the problem? |
| 06:31.16 | Andorin | Indeed =/ |
| 06:31.33 | kuznetzvo-afk | intermittent issues -- the most fun to troubleshoot |
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| 06:35.02 | Andorin | Anyway, if someone could help me with ssh, I could log in to the desktop through the laptop, keep browsing pages until my system freezes again, then see if it responds remotely |
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| 06:42.43 | Andorin | Never mind, I got it... had to install openssh-server |
| 06:43.03 | Andorin | This... is actually pretty cool. Being able to log into my computers remotely. |
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| 06:45.36 | sep | Andorin, : before the web..before irc... before ftp... in the infant stages of interconnected machines that grew to become the internet, there was telnet. a tool to let you log into computers remotely :) yes it's cool :) |
| 06:45.53 | Andorin | I've used ssh before, but not locally |
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| 06:46.04 | Andorin | Just to connect to a shell provider I was using |
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| 06:46.43 | Andorin | Anyway |
| 06:47.13 | Andorin | kuznetzvo-afk: wols_: My computers are logged into each other, so I'll try to get one to freeze again |
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| 06:48.07 | jasonsmr | what does this error mean >> dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type mips-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu. |
| 06:48.13 | jasonsmr | sorry hello channel |
| 06:48.48 | simonlnu | uh, you got the wrong binary/.deb? |
| 06:48.48 | jasonsmr | what code is preventing me from building ? |
| 06:49.25 | jasonsmr | IDK im using a compile time tool that is suposto be set for this arch mips |
| 06:49.41 | AK|laptop | Hah |
| 06:49.43 | AK|laptop | It just froze |
| 06:50.07 | AK|laptop | Okay, it looks like the system is still responding |
| 06:50.59 | jasonsmr | simonlnu> how did that happen , whats the quickest way to remidy it, the command I used to get this was make debian/rootfs |
| 06:51.16 | AK|laptop | killall rhythmbox stopped the music that was playing (so rhythmbox successfully died) but killall firefox-bin did not produce any visual change on the desktop |
| 06:51.36 | kuznetzvo-afk | what's the syntax for -9 for killall |
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| 06:51.46 | jasonsmr | Idid a complete make clean then make menuconfog (for the tool-chain build compiler) then tried again same error |
| 06:51.52 | AK|laptop | Syntax for -9 for killall? |
| 06:52.06 | jasonsmr | any help would be reccomended |
| 06:52.06 | kuznetzvo-afk | ah -s 9 :) |
| 06:52.21 | kuznetzvo-afk | jason, sorry i only play on amd64 and x86. i'm poor =p |
| 06:52.21 | jasonsmr | is Greatly appreaceated |
| 06:52.29 | AK|laptop | Sorry, I was just running killall processname |
| 06:52.36 | AK|laptop | So I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 06:52.39 | kuznetzvo-afk | jason, basically i'd just be googling the stuff you type, so i figure you could do that equally well =p |
| 06:52.54 | jasonsmr | allrighty ;) |
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| 06:53.38 | kuznetzvo-afk | -9 means "bugger off" instead of "please terminate yourself" |
| 06:53.43 | AK|laptop | I know |
| 06:53.53 | AK|laptop | Anyway |
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| 06:54.03 | kuznetzvo-afk | on older aix systems it was a fun way to mess up inode locks |
| 06:54.06 | AK|laptop | ^ there I go |
| 06:54.53 | jasonsmr | deb_build_arch = `dpkg --print-installation-architecture`; |
| 06:54.59 | jasonsmr | what about this command ? |
| 06:55.16 | wols_ | what about it? |
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| 06:56.13 | AK|laptop | I'm looking up how to restart X remotely |
| 06:56.59 | simonlnu | jasonsmr: i don't know what you did. *you* find out. |
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| 06:57.34 | wols_ | AK|laptop: as root, /etc/init.d/?dm restart where ?dm is the init file for your displaymanager, like gdm or kdm |
| 06:57.49 | AK|laptop | You mean like this? |
| 06:57.52 | AK|laptop | andorin@alpha:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 06:57.53 | AK|laptop | sudo: /etc/init.d/gdm: command not found |
| 06:58.29 | wols_ | AK|laptop: are you running ubuntu? |
| 06:58.36 | kuznetzvo-afk | gdm3 |
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| 06:58.43 | AK|laptop | No, I'd be in #ubuntu if I were... I'm on Squeeze |
| 06:58.50 | wols_ | ah yes. use gdm3 instead of gdm |
| 06:58.53 | AK|laptop | k |
| 06:59.23 | kuznetzvo-afk | i knew that from the old docs referring to /etc/init.d/squid restart instead of squid3.. caused some initial releases of profanity |
| 06:59.30 | AK|laptop | Alright |
| 06:59.40 | AK|laptop | It said it stopped then started gdm3 but there's no change on the desktop |
| 07:00.32 | simonlnu | it won't kill the running session... |
| 07:00.39 | AK|laptop | What will? |
| 07:00.52 | simonlnu | restarting gdm3 |
| 07:01.01 | AK|laptop | Isn't that what I just did? |
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| 07:01.07 | simonlnu | oh, you mean what will kill it? |
| 07:01.19 | simonlnu | kill Xorg |
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| 07:02.42 | simonlnu | gdm3 will respawn |
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| 07:02.56 | AK|laptop | I ran ps -au, found the process ID for /usr/bin/Xorg, and ran pkill -9 id as root |
| 07:02.58 | AK|laptop | No change |
| 07:03.05 | wols_ | simonlnu: but won't its child (the normal X session) get killed? |
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| 07:03.14 | simonlnu | uh, avoid running with -9 all the time |
| 07:03.26 | simonlnu | isn't that what AK|laptop wants? |
| 07:03.34 | AK|laptop | Okay, ran without -9, and still no change |
| 07:03.37 | kuznetzvo-afk | as i said, it is a nice way to break inode on older aix :) |
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| 07:04.03 | simonlnu | ps auxw | grep -i x |
| 07:04.14 | simonlnu | it may have gone Z |
| 07:04.27 | simonlnu | kill its parent if you can (except init of course) |
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| 07:05.23 | AK|laptop | simonlnu: That command gave me this http://pastebin.com/EPSyXxaV |
| 07:05.59 | simonlnu | kill -3 1695 |
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| 07:06.24 | AK|laptop | as root? |
| 07:06.32 | wols_ | yes |
| 07:06.34 | simonlnu | of course |
| 07:06.48 | AK|laptop | That did it |
| 07:06.53 | AK|laptop | Desktop is now a black screen |
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| 07:07.07 | AK|laptop | So, start gdm... |
| 07:07.34 | simonlnu | it should respawn like i said |
| 07:07.39 | AK|laptop | As in, automatically start back up? It hasn't so far |
| 07:07.54 | AK|laptop | But my keyboard on the desktop works again |
| 07:08.35 | simonlnu | doesn't matter. clean up any remaining processes remaining from that session, and restart gdm3 again. |
| 07:08.37 | AK|laptop | So I can shift over to a console and start gdm from there |
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| 07:08.44 | simonlnu | sure |
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| 07:10.49 | Andorin | Desktop's working again. Now, is there a log I can pull up that will help to determine what caused the freeze-up? |
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| 07:12.42 | simonlnu | syslog the Xorg.0.log, dmesg are sometimes helpful |
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| 07:14.18 | Andorin | simonlnu: in dmesg, the numbers next to each entry represent the time in seconds since system startup, right? Like [ 108.842999] |
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| 07:16.01 | simonlnu | yes plus sub-seconds |
| 07:16.19 | Andorin | Okay, well, that value is the highest that dmesg goes at the moment |
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| 07:19.33 | Andorin | Which, to me, implies that nothing about the freeze-up is in there |
| 07:20.17 | Andorin | I can't read Xorg.0.log very well, but I did a search for (EE) and (WW) and didn't get much |
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| 07:21.45 | Andorin | So what next? |
| 07:21.53 | simonlnu | ignore those, they won't help. near the bottom is more fruitful (sometimes) |
| 07:22.01 | simonlnu | for the x log |
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| 07:23.10 | Andorin | Well... here's the log http://pastebin.com/cVCSh1mp |
| 07:23.22 | Andorin | I have no idea what the repeated text at the bottom is for |
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| 07:23.42 | optraz | when we execute the command, host google.com, it return google.com has a few adddresses. what is actually happening and does those addresses are map in dns? |
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| 07:24.53 | wols_ | optraz: man host obviously |
| 07:24.57 | jasonsmr | allright I found the code |
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| 07:25.26 | jasonsmr | question , if getting error = dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type mips-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type i486-linux-gnu. |
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| 07:26.28 | jasonsmr | and I want to set gcc system type? using the dpkg-architecture command.. where option -t<gnu-system> |
| 07:26.54 | jasonsmr | what is a valid option for mips? Im jnot seeing why its not more* clear |
| 07:27.06 | wols_ | jasonsmr: do you have a cross compiler? |
| 07:27.39 | simonlnu | Andorin: syslog or kern.log or messages not helpful either? (pretty common with this sort of thing). you might want to look at your ~/.xsession-errors too |
| 07:28.02 | optraz | wols_: yes, it return the IN address which is in IP form. |
| 07:28.11 | jasonsmr | wols_m im using debwrt |
| 07:28.37 | optraz | wols_: when user type google.com in browser, how does the google servers know which server to serve that request? |
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| 07:29.06 | wols_ | jasonsmr: we support debian, not debwrt |
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| 07:29.17 | Andorin | simonlnu: Wouldn't .xession-errors clear itself when x quits? |
| 07:29.24 | streuner_ | no |
| 07:29.25 | wols_ | optraz: google "round robin dns" |
| 07:29.33 | jasonsmr | ist just the base system, debian is the actual system** |
| 07:29.47 | jasonsmr | im not using openwrt |
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| 07:30.00 | wols_ | jasonsmr: evidently not if your gcc creates x86 binaries. |
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| 07:30.25 | kuznetzvo-afk | insomnia sucks so much. *reads above..* |
| 07:30.57 | jasonsmr | im compiling on debian, and openwrt is the mips device, the only time openwrt is in to play is suring a network ing after* debian is installed onto the hard drive. |
| 07:31.12 | Andorin | /var/log/syslog is HUGE |
| 07:31.19 | wols_ | jasonsmr: so I ask you again: do you have a mips cross compiler? |
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| 07:31.31 | Andorin | 1.8 MB |
| 07:31.33 | Andorin | Is that normal? |
| 07:31.37 | wols_ | Andorin: yes |
| 07:31.40 | Andorin | k |
| 07:31.58 | Andorin | It looks like it's 90% lines like this: |
| 07:32.01 | Andorin | Sep 12 23:59:04 alpha gdm3[3521]: WARNING: GdmDisplay: display lasted 0.022703 seconds |
| 07:32.32 | optraz | wols_: thanks reading. |
| 07:32.40 | simonlnu | Andorin: only when it starts |
| 07:32.43 | jasonsmr | evedently not it qemu |
| 07:32.58 | Andorin | mk |
| 07:33.11 | Andorin | But yeah |
| 07:33.15 | simonlnu | Andorin: looks like gdm was in a loop. |
| 07:33.55 | Andorin | Does that bring us closer to figuring out what froze my system? |
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| 07:34.31 | jason404 | I have geoiplookup installed, which is the country based edition, it says |
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| 07:34.47 | jason404 | is there a more specific version as well? |
| 07:34.59 | jason404 | which defines town/city? |
| 07:35.28 | simonlnu | Andorin: no, but it can point to the issue, if indirectly |
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| 07:37.56 | jasonsmr | wols_ ,is it strange that this error only shows up for one package? and the other packages befor it have it working ? |
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| 07:40.12 | wols_ | jasonsmr: ask the debwrt folks. it's their software |
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| 07:40.29 | wols_ | I am still waiting for the answer of my question |
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| 07:40.43 | Andorin | simonlnu: I don't think kern.log has anything useful either |
| 07:40.54 | Andorin | As it appears to have the same content as dmesg |
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| 07:47.44 | Andorin | So what next? |
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| 07:53.07 | riefle | hiho. |
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| 07:54.22 | riefle | http://paste.debian.net/129734/ can anybody helpme with it? |
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| 07:55.51 | riefle | anybody? |
| 07:56.27 | Andorin | simonlnu: Any more thoughts? |
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| 07:58.07 | niman | hi i need to know how i can install customize kernel .deb install on debian live when build ? plz help me |
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| 07:58.18 | yskapell | hello guys |
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| 07:58.46 | riefle | hello |
| 07:58.48 | setog3 | hi, I am wondering which font I should use under debian to replace "Helvetica" for title in a scientific poster ? (and title of figure in the same poster) |
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| 07:59.32 | yskapell | I want to make my own guys ssh client and I want to support password. Where can I find the code or any instruction for implementation? |
| 08:00.22 | wols_ | !gr |
| 08:00.23 | dpkg | Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:01.04 | wols_ | riefle: dpkg -l dpkg |
| 08:01.38 | riefle | wols_: what about it? |
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| 08:02.09 | wols_ | what version is your dpkg? |
| 08:02.23 | riefle | 1.13.25 |
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| 08:02.50 | wols_ | so you run etch and want to upgrade to current stable. that is not supported and as you see, fails |
| 08:03.04 | riefle | okay |
| 08:03.06 | riefle | thanks |
| 08:03.07 | wols_ | upgrade to lenny, if you still can |
| 08:03.13 | niman | hi i need to know how i can install customize kernel .deb install on debian live when build ? plz help me |
| 08:03.20 | wols_ | and then upgrade to squeeze/stable |
| 08:03.32 | wols_ | niman: probably via live-builder |
| 08:03.37 | setog3 | it's maybee not the right channel for this kind of question |
| 08:03.57 | Trewas | setog3: arial is quite close, not exactly in debian but ttf-mscorefonts-installer can install ms fonts |
| 08:04.28 | niman | wols_, i know that but how i make a live disk but i want change kernel with the customize kernel |
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| 08:08.34 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 08:10.13 | Nebukadneza | i'm currently trying to fetch some update from security.debian.org using a box that is ipv6 capable. "security.debian.org" seems to resolve to three ip6-addresses, all of which i can ping nicely, however they don't seem to respond to aptitudes HTTP requests (which means: aptitude doesn't download shit) ... is there a way to tell apt/aptitude to do IPv4 only, or ... - what could i do? |
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| 08:36.26 | rascal999 | are their any asset management tools like rackmonkey or racktables for VMs? |
| 08:36.44 | Arafangion | Why does cfdisk /dev/hdb1 say this: |
| 08:36.49 | Arafangion | FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 0: Partition ends in the final partial cylind |
| 08:37.13 | Arafangion | What does it mean? (I assume it's fine... It's a brand new drive preformatted for windows) |
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| 08:38.32 | jelly-home | it means cfdisk is buggy |
| 08:38.53 | kansas_slim | Arafangion: Try using cfdisk -z /dev/device command |
| 08:39.51 | Arafangion | kansas_slim: That's not right either, that effectively zeros the partition table (in ram) |
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| 08:40.12 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Is it really a bug though? |
| 08:40.44 | kansas_slim | Arafangion: source: http://allen.articlesbase.com/data-recovery-articles/fatal-error-bad-primary-partition-linux-error-and-recovery-1010523.html |
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| 08:41.15 | kable | hello, im trying to change the console resolution of my debian base installation, and tried variouse things. where do i have the put the "set gfxpayload=1280x800" in the grub.cfg ? |
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| 08:43.05 | Arafangion | kansas_slim: That article explains how to repartition a disk. |
| 08:43.15 | Arafangion | kansas_slim: I don't want to do that, I wanted to read the partition table. |
| 08:43.30 | Arafangion | kansas_slim: (As it happens, fdisk works fine, but my curiosity is piqued) |
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| 08:44.07 | kansas_slim | Arafangion: and where did you say that? |
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| 08:44.48 | wols_ | kable: nowhere. you do not want to edit your grub.cfg |
| 08:45.07 | kable | wols_: ok where is that done? |
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| 08:45.35 | kable | and y not, in the past it was vga=971 |
| 08:45.39 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.05 | wols_ | cause grub.cfg is automatically generated. which it tells you explicitly in the first few lines of the file. please read it |
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| 08:46.46 | Arafangion | kansas_slim: I didn't actually say I only wanted to read it. :) |
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| 08:54.02 | jelly | Arafangion: yes, when a partitioning tool is unable to cope with a common patitioning schema, I call that a bug |
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| 08:54.38 | Arafangion | jelly: Fair call, thanks. :) |
| 08:55.27 | dym | Is there a way to monitor size an destination of an outgoing FTP connection somehow? |
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| 08:56.23 | Bushmills | dym: add a stub rule to iptables |
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| 08:58.39 | Arafangion | What's a nice, simple backup tool that does a full system backup to an external drive. (In neat tarballs and incremental tarballs) |
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| 08:59.04 | Bushmills | check out dar |
| 09:00.05 | pbn | Hi I am looking for a GUI program that would allow me to edit EXIF data in pictures. Any idea ? |
| 09:00.48 | Arafangion | Bushmills: Looks perfect, thanks! |
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| 09:00.56 | pbn | there is exiv2 but it is CLI only |
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| 09:04.12 | dym | Bushmills: a stub rule? |
| 09:04.37 | Bushmills | a rule without a target. only purpose to count packets and traffic |
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| 09:04.53 | dym | Bushmills: does it report target and packetsize? |
| 09:05.21 | Bushmills | it reports number of packets and total size |
| 09:05.32 | dym | mhhh |
| 09:05.32 | Bushmills | i guess you could divide one by the other |
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| 09:05.43 | bolt | is there a comment format for rsync --exclude-from=file files? i'd like to put some explanations in one as to why X and Y are excluded, and what needs to be done if you add Z |
| 09:05.54 | dym | Bushmills: what i need is: where did the connection originate, where is it going to and how big is the packet |
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| 09:06.33 | jelly | bolt: make a set of files with comments, and use copies of those |grep -v ^# in your script? |
| 09:06.57 | bolt | jelly: ah. good idea :) |
| 09:08.07 | pbn | I'm using exiv2 but I'm getting issues |
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| 09:10.01 | sn4fu | Guys, just a quick question: That the Webserver on alioth.debian.org is not responding anymore is known? |
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| 09:15.55 | daemonkeeper | sn4fu: #alioth on OFTC could tell you more. But I guess they have already been pointed to the problem. |
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| 09:22.37 | capri | is it possible to limit a network interface? ex. im using a 1GB interface, and every night my backups uses the whole capacity of this interface ~ 100 MB's but i want to limit that to about 50 MB`s on debian site? |
| 09:22.41 | capri | is that possbile? |
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| 09:25.59 | bolt | capri: use the limits on whatever backup program you use? |
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| 09:26.25 | capri | on backup site i cant create limits, thats the problem |
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| 09:26.49 | bolt | what are you using to take your backups? |
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| 09:27.49 | capri | its a closed source backup software.. called "tm". |
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| 09:28.52 | seb82 | hey all |
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| 09:29.23 | seb82 | I wanna build my own debian based distro but most of the sites I found on google are talking about ubuntu or fedora and stuff... |
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| 09:30.35 | sep | seb82, why ? you think you can do it better then ubuntu ? or do you want to make a pure blend ? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends |
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| 09:31.11 | seb82 | just a pure blend for private use... |
| 09:31.46 | seb82 | thx sep |
| 09:31.46 | urlin2u | seb82, http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ |
| 09:33.14 | wols_ | capri: yes it's possible. cgroups or lartc.org |
| 09:35.18 | sn4fu | daemonkeeper: Thanks |
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| 09:39.41 | seb82 | thx urlin2u |
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| 09:40.19 | urlin2u | seb82, sure good luck. :D |
| 09:40.44 | seb82 | urlin2u, thx |
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| 09:47.21 | siefca | hi |
| 09:47.28 | siefca | is someone using pam_ldap? |
| 09:48.20 | siefca | i'm wondering if my conf is broken or there is some bug - passwd seems to ignore shadowMin attribute |
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| 10:02.55 | Iridos | check the bts |
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| 10:10.24 | chrisjunkie | hi all… new ASrock Z68 Extreme4 with a BCM57781 NIC |
| 10:10.33 | chrisjunkie | linux-firmware-nonfree doesn't work |
| 10:10.46 | chrisjunkie | can't get it to be detected |
| 10:10.49 | chrisjunkie | what can I do? |
| 10:11.14 | chrisjunkie | any help would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 10:12.23 | simonlnu | might not be supported if it's really new... |
| 10:12.40 | chrisjunkie | simonlnu: it is supposed to be through tg3 |
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| 10:12.52 | simonlnu | ok |
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| 10:14.20 | Iridos | try a newer kernel? |
| 10:14.48 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: how? |
| 10:14.56 | chrisjunkie | It's the latest netinst |
| 10:15.03 | chrisjunkie | though I wonder what the updated netinst is |
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| 10:17.55 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 10:17.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); wheezy: 3.0.0-1-686-pae (3.0.0-3); squeeze-backports: 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae (2.6.39-3~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-35squeeze2); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny3) |
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| 10:18.41 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: don't really want to go to 3.0 though do i? |
| 10:18.49 | Iridos | chrisjunkie, oh, you need it during the install phase? |
| 10:18.58 | Iridos | wonder if that already exists for squeeze |
| 10:19.01 | Iridos | dpkg, kmuto |
| 10:19.01 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 10:19.23 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: well no, I have a spare e100 card here |
| 10:19.32 | chrisjunkie | but its a mates and he needs it back soon :P |
| 10:19.51 | Iridos | then I would try 2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae from backports first |
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| 10:20.08 | Iridos | !bdo |
| 10:20.08 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <bdo key> <backports-sloppy> <bdo xorg>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 10:20.50 | chrisjunkie | brilliant ok, trying it now |
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| 10:21.06 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67246 |
| 10:21.14 | chrisjunkie | this is a similar issue with backports too |
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| 10:22.35 | chrisjunkie | tell ya what, waiting for security.debian.org is so painful |
| 10:23.35 | Iridos | did you look if the bts has something on it? |
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| 10:24.11 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: bts? |
| 10:24.18 | Iridos | bug tracking system |
| 10:24.32 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: yeah, my google searches return almost nothing |
| 10:24.39 | chrisjunkie | and backports wont load |
| 10:24.51 | Iridos | !bts |
| 10:24.51 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 10:24.55 | Iridos | don't see any, though |
| 10:25.43 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: should I create one? so annoying - debian has always worked first go no worries for me until now :( |
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| 10:26.58 | Iridos | well... dunno. I think unlikely to be fixed in squeeze, but you could. |
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| 10:27.23 | Iridos | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=normal;archive=0;src=linux-2.6;repeatmerged=0 <--- takes so long to load for me! |
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| 10:27.54 | chrisjunkie | hmm hang on, similar issue on redhat bugzilla |
| 10:28.03 | chrisjunkie | fixed with newer kernel |
| 10:28.08 | chrisjunkie | so backports may just work |
| 10:28.13 | chrisjunkie | if I can get the page to load! |
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| 10:39.08 | Iridos | aaah, so many bugreports for the kernel |
| 10:39.40 | Iridos | poor maintainers |
| 10:42.15 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: trying http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ to see if one of those images fixes my problems |
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| 10:44.53 | Iridos | they just also package a newer kernel as the one in backports... one has additional firmware, though, from what I saw |
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| 10:46.44 | Iridos | dunno, sometimes hardware is just not supported... sometimes never gets supported |
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| 10:48.35 | LordDoskias | hello, how can i copy recursively directories with cp AND omit certain file type from each directory being copied |
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| 10:50.06 | Iridos | not |
| 10:50.08 | Iridos | use tar |
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| 10:51.09 | Iridos | file types? |
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| 10:52.04 | LordDoskias | .smm |
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| 10:52.27 | LordDoskias | i tried tar --exclude *.smm /dir/to/tar > compress.tar |
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| 10:52.29 | LordDoskias | but i get - no match |
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| 10:53.13 | Bushmills | LordDoskias: rsync should do |
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| 10:55.20 | Iridos | quote like this: '*.smm'. I think tar uses globbing patterns, sadly the manpage doesn't say... tra .*.smm as well in case it's regexp |
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| 10:59.03 | LordDoskias | okay, fixed it |
| 10:59.12 | LordDoskias | tar --exclude="*.smm" did the trick |
| 11:00.02 | fasta | Where can I get a new version of Chromium for Debian Stable? |
| 11:00.21 | gnarface | fasta: directly from hell |
| 11:00.53 | gnarface | fasta: er, uh.. i mean maybe backports? |
| 11:01.08 | cheater | can i put "everything" in my file system on raid? not just /home? how would i do that? |
| 11:01.11 | fasta | gnarface: no backports. |
| 11:01.55 | dracmas | I think google has their own source |
| 11:01.58 | chrisjunkie | cheater: yeah you can, but /boot can't be on raid |
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| 11:02.15 | dracmas | for sources.list I mean |
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| 11:02.20 | ppalmes | any debian tool for detecting loopbacks in a network with several routers? |
| 11:02.20 | silberkristall2 | hi all |
| 11:02.26 | gnarface | cheater: its not well advised though. typical common knowledge says that / should *not* be on a raid |
| 11:02.33 | silberkristall2 | everyone here how can helped me with my squid? |
| 11:02.36 | cheater | gnarface, why shouldn't it? |
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| 11:02.58 | Iridos | fasta, or you can backport yourself from testing/unstable "/msg dpkg ssb" for that |
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| 11:03.05 | gnarface | cheater: because, believe it or not (and this is gonna blow your mind) bare drives are more reliable than raids |
| 11:03.14 | cheater | how come? |
| 11:03.34 | ompaul | you don't have the raid controller you don't depend on others for your "parity" |
| 11:03.44 | ompaul | lots of great treasons |
| 11:03.48 | gnarface | cheater: less points of failure. say your raid goes down. even with redundency through parity, how you gonna boot to restore it if your / was also on said raid? |
| 11:04.06 | gnarface | cheater: 1 drive == one point of failure. 5 drives == 5x1 points of failure |
| 11:04.07 | cheater | using a live cd |
| 11:04.23 | cheater | am i being punked? |
| 11:04.39 | gnarface | cheater: we shit you not. don't put / on your raid. |
| 11:04.44 | Iridos | actually you _can_ have /boot on a raid... but obviously you can only boot from one disk at any given time with softraids |
| 11:04.54 | dracmas | http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ |
| 11:05.12 | gnarface | cheater: put / on a bare drive, cd, usb key, keep backups daily, etc. then put everything ELSE on the raid (/var, /usr, /home, /tmp) |
| 11:05.16 | silberkristall2 | i have create 3 delay pools in my squid.conf but squid uses 1 |
| 11:05.23 | cheater | do you even understand the difference between the probability of failure of a serial chain of 5 nodes, and of a parallel cluster of 5 nodes? |
| 11:05.34 | cheater | i mean you have had maths at school right? |
| 11:05.59 | gnarface | cheater: do you understand the additional complexity and fragility of forcing grub to boot directly from a hardware/software virtual disk? |
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| 11:06.11 | cheater | what you just said about five points of failure isn't nonsense, it's the absolute opposite of truth in this case |
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| 11:06.32 | gnarface | cheater: do as you will, you've been warned and you will learn soon enough one way or another |
| 11:06.32 | cheater | yes well let's all go back to VMS |
| 11:06.38 | cheater | because the linux kernel is too complex |
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| 11:06.56 | cheater | ooh it has to set up ACPI |
| 11:06.58 | cheater | how fragile |
| 11:06.58 | Iridos | ok... can we stop the flaming now? |
| 11:07.06 | cheater | yeah seriously |
| 11:07.15 | cheater | i take advice but not FUD |
| 11:07.22 | gnarface | cheater: its more about the "moving parts" thing. raids *are* more fragile. you just shouldn't use them for the boot partition. |
| 11:07.23 | cheater | is done |
| 11:07.27 | Iridos | much appreciated |
| 11:07.36 | Iridos | and I'm running / on a raid on one machine... |
| 11:07.48 | cheater | has it died yet |
| 11:07.59 | Iridos | and what's true is that booting can break more easily because you have to get the softraid stuff into place |
| 11:08.30 | gnarface | cheater: it can be done but really... keep a single-disk backup of at least / and try to keep almost everything else in other partitions. you need a recovery strategy in cases that raid can't cover |
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| 11:08.58 | Iridos | actually waiting for one of the disks to die... they cheated me on the disks and I didn't notice |
| 11:09.07 | Iridos | one disk was new, the other was used and already had failures |
| 11:09.15 | cheater | ouch |
| 11:09.38 | ondrejk | hello, since new squeeze update i have new envelope icon in tray ... it appears after every notification and it's very very annoying, can you please help me with geeting it off my tray? |
| 11:09.44 | Iridos | I mean SMART failures... no real problems in use, except that the SMART failures increased |
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| 11:10.02 | gnarface | cheater: and as Iridos infers... run like... some sort of disk diagnostics regularly (smartd or smartctl or something) regularly because you're screwed if you lose too many drives at once |
| 11:10.13 | ondrejk | i've been googling it but i did not found anything.. |
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| 11:10.30 | Iridos | but I'm not working there anymore and nobody new uses the machine ... so probably hard to make a point to replace the disk so I can keep using the machine remotely :) |
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| 11:10.39 | gnarface | cheater: and before you say "how often is that gonna happen?" the answer is: exactly when your pants are down |
| 11:10.58 | Iridos | well, but that's what raid is (kind of) for... |
| 11:11.14 | Iridos | to save you the time of playing in backups when a disk breaks |
| 11:11.22 | gnarface | works great |
| 11:11.37 | gnarface | but with 5 drives you can lose... 1 right? or is it 2 before it freaks? |
| 11:11.58 | gnarface | under high load if you bought the drives all at the same time, you can count on more than 1 failing on the same day |
| 11:11.58 | Iridos | cheater, dunno if it really does that, though... once booting broke and I had to fiddle with the raid... google the commands I have to use and play one disk back to the other... |
| 11:12.16 | Iridos | oh well... but I don't usually backup the system, as that can be reinstalled anyway |
| 11:12.23 | cheater | gnarface, please stop with the FUD |
| 11:12.48 | Iridos | oh, and this was simple mirroring between the two disks in the machine |
| 11:12.50 | cheater | Iridos, aha |
| 11:13.06 | cheater | Iridos, i need to figure out what best to use |
| 11:13.22 | gnarface | cheater: its not FUD i'm trying to help you. do as you will but i really advise you to at least keep a single-disk backup that you can boot from should you happen to not have 20 drives and more than one fails before you notice |
| 11:14.08 | war9407 | how do I pull this git commit ? ed2888e906b56769b4ffabb9c577190438aa68b8 |
| 11:14.08 | Iridos | well, raids are never a good replacement for backups |
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| 11:14.41 | gnarface | cheater: what Iridos said |
| 11:15.29 | Iridos | nobody ever said it was |
| 11:15.53 | gnarface | Iridos: believe it or not, its a common misconception |
| 11:16.15 | gnarface | Iridos: its uncommon however to get a round of bad drives on a production server, but it happens. (trust me) |
| 11:17.08 | gnarface | Iridos: if i recall correctly even the debian installer warns you its dangerous if you put / on a raid or lvm |
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| 11:17.32 | Iridos | then using one of them for a backup solution isn't gonna help you |
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| 11:18.36 | cheater | gnarface, i'm abput to add you to ignore. |
| 11:18.40 | cheater | also about. |
| 11:18.45 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 11:19.29 | cheater | Iridos, which raid level do you suggest if i have 5 or 6 hard drives? |
| 11:19.29 | dracmas | could someone please tell me the minimum required apt packages/groups needed to get xorg and a DE/and/or/WM up and running? I'm not sure if I want to do xfce or openbox, but I'm making a bash script that does all the work after a basic netinstall to debian testing. |
| 11:19.55 | wols_ | dracmas: xorg and the window manager of your choice |
| 11:19.59 | chjj | apt-get install xorg xfce |
| 11:20.01 | chjj | or |
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| 11:20.04 | chjj | apt-get install xorg xfce4 |
| 11:20.07 | chjj | :) |
| 11:20.21 | chjj | or openbox of course |
| 11:20.25 | wols_ | dracmas: there is no point in a bash script at all btw |
| 11:20.26 | chjj | good choices by the way |
| 11:20.28 | chjj | ;) |
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| 11:21.02 | Iridos | !install x |
| 11:21.03 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
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| 11:21.05 | dracmas | if it's openbox? I'm just not sure if I'd have to edit files to go to the de/wm |
| 11:21.21 | dracmas | ah |
| 11:21.43 | wols_ | you don't need to edit anything. if you install openbox, it will start by default |
| 11:22.02 | chjj | actually maybe not |
| 11:22.03 | wols_ | you also might want a displaymanager however. but it's up to you |
| 11:22.24 | chjj | if youre sitting at the command line and you need to start openbox you can do... |
| 11:22.29 | chjj | xinit /usr/bin/openbox-session |
| 11:23.02 | chjj | then you can get in and edit your .xinitrc, so all you need to do is `startx` |
| 11:23.23 | dracmas | It's not that simple ;) I'm tired of waiting on my favorite distro with the settings I want, so the bash script sets up the system with my preferences...Kind of like my own distro creation on the fly lol |
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| 11:24.40 | wols_ | chjj: do you know the debian alternatives system? |
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| 11:25.01 | chjj | i understand it a little, sure |
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| 11:25.40 | wols_ | I think it would be a good idea for some bigger effort :) |
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| 11:26.11 | chjj | ? |
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| 11:29.09 | dracmas | !openbox |
| 11:29.09 | dpkg | Openbox is an X window manager originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C (no code based on Blackbox since v3.0). http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:29.18 | dracmas | !install openbox |
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| 11:30.01 | dracmas | !install xfce |
| 11:30.01 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): Squeeze: from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install" ; Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options. |
| 11:30.47 | AgentC | Hi |
| 11:31.27 | Iridos | !tell dracmas -about msg the bot |
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| 11:32.17 | dracmas | I understan Iridos, sorry. didnt think to message the bot, havent used irc in awhile |
| 11:32.31 | Iridos | no worries |
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| 11:35.50 | AgentC | is it possible to make a netinstall on a notebook by WLAN/USB adapter ? |
| 11:36.47 | gnarface | AgentC: in theory, but it does depend a lot on WHICH wlan usb device |
| 11:37.09 | sep | iif it's supported by the kernel, i'd say yes. |
| 11:37.15 | sep | !firmware images |
| 11:37.15 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 11:37.29 | AgentC | gnarface: is realtek supported ? |
| 11:38.04 | gnarface | AgentC: don't ask me, i don't sign on for that happy meal bullshit. they can have my ethernet cables when they pry them from my cold, dead, fingers |
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| 11:39.47 | AgentC | gnarface: i would use a lan-cable, but the LAN-port of that notebook is broken. :-( |
| 11:40.09 | sep | realtek makes more then 1 chipset no ? witch one ? |
| 11:40.11 | gnarface | AgentC: sorry its late and i'm punky. i apologize. the serious version of that answer is: you will probably have to state the question more specifically (specific model# of realtek usb wifi card. realtek chips are so ubiquitous on wireless and wired ethernet that "realtek" could still be either supported or unsupported) |
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| 11:42.27 | AgentC | gnarface: may be i should just go for a try, hm ? |
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| 11:42.46 | gnarface | AgentC: if it doesn't work there is a stable installer with bleeding edge drivers.... hang on |
| 11:42.51 | gnarface | !kmuto |
| 11:42.51 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 2.6.39) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/i386/ch04s03 |
| 11:43.17 | gnarface | AgentC: ^^^ if the stock squeeze installer fails, try this |
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| 11:44.09 | gnarface | AgentC: warning: you probably will eventually still have to find out the make *AND* model# of your specific device. lots of this new-hardware-class shit doesn't work at all unless you know what drivers to load manually |
| 11:44.43 | MrHart | How to integrate an *.deb file/program into the desktop? |
| 11:44.50 | AgentC | gnarface: oki, thank you, iLL just try, maybe i ask again later |
| 11:44.59 | AgentC | MrHart: dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 11:45.00 | gnarface | AgentC: good luck to you, brave soul |
| 11:45.11 | AgentC | gnarface: thank you |
| 11:45.58 | MrHart | AgentC: already done that |
| 11:46.24 | AgentC | MrHart: are all depencies solved ? |
| 11:46.24 | vlt | Hello. How can I find out why /etc/init.d/ntp start doesn’t start ntp? |
| 11:46.33 | dracmas | What do you mean integrate? |
| 11:46.42 | MrHart | and according to the synaptic package manager it is installed |
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| 11:47.46 | wols_ | AgentC: netinstall doesn't need a network connection fyi |
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| 11:48.22 | dracmas | can you try executing it through the terminal if it's a program? easier to see warnings etc that way |
| 11:48.27 | wols_ | and since debian doesn't support wpa with netinst images, it's rarely doable via usb. your realtek wlan device almost always needs firmware or even a different kernel, so the chances for you are very slim |
| 11:49.06 | wols_ | !tell MrHart about menu |
| 11:49.11 | AgentC | woIs: humans does not need a brain fyi |
| 11:49.24 | wols_ | AgentC: hm? |
| 11:49.30 | AgentC | wols_: hee |
| 11:49.35 | AgentC | wols_: smile |
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| 11:51.06 | wols_ | AgentC: please don't insult people who try to help you. it's bad form, I'm sure your mom has raised you better |
| 11:52.24 | AgentC | wols_: just a bit joky, of course you need a network connection to make a netinstall. but is there also a complete squeeze version installable from cdroms ? |
| 11:52.41 | wols_ | AgentC: if you use a netinst debian image you don't need a network connectin at all |
| 11:53.01 | wols_ | and yes, there are CD and DVD images of the full debian binary repo |
| 11:53.30 | AgentC | wols_: for real? ok, i assume the basesystem is on the cdrom, but whats about the missing and required packages? |
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| 11:54.14 | wols_ | netinst.iso is a full debian base system. pretty bare but a full debian. additional packages on CD1 are sorted by popularity |
| 11:54.39 | wols_ | and I don't understand what you mean with "missing and required". how can they be missing? or required? |
| 11:55.18 | AgentC | wols_: ok, then sorry for my comment. with required packs i meant for example xorg gnome, and so on |
| 11:55.26 | wols_ | maybe you should actually tell us what you want to do (I'm guessing installing debian but not really sure) and what your current hardware is |
| 11:55.55 | wols_ | CD1 contains gnome and xorg both |
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| 11:56.08 | AgentC | wols_: hardware is a network NBI700 notebook with defect LAN port |
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| 11:56.12 | dracmas | required packs? Try going a day without xorg, ncurses apps can be mean and lean ;) |
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| 11:56.34 | wols_ | what wlan chip does it have? usb or pci id please |
| 11:57.00 | AgentC | wols_: no wlan intern, have a realtek usb stick |
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| 11:57.18 | wols_ | that usb stick IS wlan. so give us the usb id please |
| 11:58.04 | AgentC | wols_: RT 300N |
| 11:59.10 | AgentC | wols_: in readme is commented : RtWlan:V402, 1480, 0606, 2007 |
| 12:00.28 | AgentC | wols_: here a little bit more info: Realtek RTL8192S USB 802.11B/G/N 300M Wireless NIC |
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| 12:00.47 | wols_ | !RTL8192S |
| 12:01.22 | wols_ | we need the usb id. there is no rtl8192s |
| 12:01.38 | Mmike | What is a 'propery way' of putting grub on both disks in software raid1 setup (configured via debian installer) |
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| 12:02.18 | wols_ | Mmike: not really doable since you'd need 2 different grub.cfg files |
| 12:02.44 | Mmike | wols_, so, if my HDD with grub fails, my box won't boot? |
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| 12:03.20 | AgentC | wols_: when i plugin into my server it says vendorID = 0bda , product id= 8172 |
| 12:04.18 | AgentC | wols_: RTL 8191S |
| 12:04.52 | AgentC | wols_: different from the readme description |
| 12:05.17 | wols_ | !tell AgentC about RTL8191SU |
| 12:05.39 | wols_ | yes, this driver has a shitton of different designations. typical realtek mess :( |
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| 12:07.57 | AgentC | wols_: okay, that should help me for finding a solution, thank you very much |
| 12:08.55 | wols_ | AgentC: if your wlan uses wpa, I suggest you install via CD1. since you need firmware for your wlan, look at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 12:09.21 | AgentC | ok |
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| 12:12.09 | muenchhausen | Hi there. It seems like I need python-xml in order for xen to work correctly. The machine runs squeeze, yet it seems like it isn't available(http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-xml). Does it have another name? |
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| 12:19.47 | muenchhausen | xen on debian looks like an incredible hackjob |
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| 12:22.54 | daniel-s | hey |
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| 12:23.12 | daniel-s | does anyone know/recommend the best way to integrate wget or kget with iceweasel |
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| 12:32.55 | dracmas | daniel-s: read over this webpage: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/08/how-to-install-apt-support-for.html |
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| 13:03.18 | daniel-s | thaks dracmas, but not really what I was looking for |
| 13:03.59 | wols_ | daniel-s: what does "integrate" mean here? |
| 13:05.12 | dracmas | oh sorry I've been sleep deprived for awhile now...mistook it for apt |
| 13:05.33 | daniel-s | I just meant something like where you click a file and it gets downloaded by wget |
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| 13:06.08 | daniel-s | but I'm looking through firefox extensions |
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| 13:09.47 | wols_ | daniel-s: flashgot |
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| 13:12.30 | daniel-s | excellent wols_ |
| 13:12.37 | daniel-s | thanks :) |
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| 13:22.24 | dym | Im having a problem: I have a gateway machine with 2 nics (10.0.0.1 / 10.0.1.0) and on each of their ports there is a connected machine (10.0.0.5 / 10.0.1.5) - for some reason the "far end" machines with .5 cannot ping each other. |
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| 13:24.50 | Bushmills | dym: ip forwarding enabled? |
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| 13:24.54 | dym | ysolved. thans |
| 13:24.56 | dym | -y |
| 13:25.32 | AL13N_work | does anyone know when the oldstable linux kernel security update will be available? there's an advisory, but no lenny version yet |
| 13:25.36 | AL13N_work | the problem is that there's 3 CVE's who are remotely exploitable |
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| 13:28.00 | wols_ | dym: can you show us the routing table of your gateway machine and cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
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| 13:29.01 | dym | wols_: no, cause it works now :D |
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| 13:30.14 | wols_ | :) |
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| 13:32.22 | dracmas | This is a bit late, but you can use the chrome extension Download Assistant to download with wget as well. Just go to the extensions and check the options for download assistant, wget is an option there. |
| 13:33.04 | vlt | Hello. How can I find out why /etc/init.d/ntp start doesn’t start ntp? |
| 13:34.19 | chrisjunkie | vlt: have you check /var/log ? |
| 13:34.27 | chrisjunkie | */var/log/ |
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| 13:34.47 | zykotick9_ | vlt, are you sure it isn't running? "ps aux | grep ntp" |
| 13:34.52 | vlt | chrisjunkie: Yes, no new log entry when trying to start ntpd. |
| 13:34.57 | vlt | zykotick9_: Yes, sure. |
| 13:35.19 | wols_ | what does it say when you try to start it this way? |
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| 13:35.52 | vlt | wols_: Nothing. No error msg. |
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| 13:36.25 | Bushmills | vlt: does ntpq -p say anything? |
| 13:36.46 | vlt | Bushmills: command not found |
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| 13:37.08 | Bushmills | install ntp :) |
| 13:37.28 | vlt | Bushmills: omg |
| 13:38.05 | vlt | wonders where does /etc/init.d/ntp come from then ... |
| 13:38.21 | vlt | Thanks for helping debuging. |
| 13:38.26 | vlt | gg |
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| 13:46.45 | samtuke | Hi, I'm trying to download a debian 6 liveCD to give out for Software Freedom Day. There are several versions available however - which one (hybrid, usb-hdd etc.) do I need in order to be able to run debian 6 live and then also be able to install it from the same CD? |
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| 13:50.11 | mrtadis | Hi everyone, how to share my usb network connection over LAN? |
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| 13:52.40 | bittin` | Hello how do i remove virtual packages? |
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| 13:53.02 | chrisjunkie | apt-get remove <package> |
| 13:53.10 | bittin` | that fialed |
| 13:53.13 | bittin` | failed |
| 13:53.20 | bittin` | Virtual Packages like "apache" cannot be removed |
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| 13:53.57 | samtuke | nobody knows about the different versions of debian live? |
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| 13:54.26 | bittin` | apt-get remove apache* seemd to work tough |
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| 13:55.19 | bittin` | yay it works: http://cindye.bounceme.net/ |
| 13:55.22 | bittin` | wanted to switch back to lighty :) |
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| 13:59.00 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 13:59.11 | bittin` | is kernel.org still down? |
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| 13:59.25 | johnfg | What's the best channel to ask what I think is a dns/routing question? |
| 13:59.43 | johnfg | I'm running debian squeeze and lenny, btw... |
| 14:00.54 | johnfg | I'd like to know how I can look at my website, without it going to the modem, as if I'd opened 192.168.0.1. |
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| 14:02.37 | Bushmills | johnfg: use a tunnel. like gvpe, anytun, openvpn or even ssh |
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| 14:03.23 | Bushmills | with some, remote site can even have as ip address 192.168.0.1 |
| 14:03.45 | zykotick9_ | johnfg, you might be able to use /etc/hosts to force, or trick, the system to just use the local address? |
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| 14:05.49 | hikenboot | anyone know why with the vmware tools or the open tools its required most of the time to use Ctrl+alt to leave the debian wheezy guest? |
| 14:06.16 | Bushmills | hikenboot: because guest tools aren't installed |
| 14:06.24 | hikenboot | no they are installed |
| 14:06.32 | hikenboot | either the open source or the vmware tools |
| 14:06.39 | hikenboot | same problem |
| 14:06.59 | hikenboot | smells like a bug to me |
| 14:07.18 | hikenboot | it isnt that big of a deal but it is annoying |
| 14:07.20 | Bushmills | it's their purpose, among other, to replace mouse driver against one supporting "seemless" mouse |
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| 14:10.45 | seb82 | does anyone know if internal sd-card readers are already supported in linux? |
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| 14:12.14 | Hydroxide | seb82: at least many are, yes. not sure if there are unsupported models. |
| 14:12.58 | seb82 | Hydroxide: I got a compaq presario R3000... with some texas instruments thingy onboard... never got it to work with debian... |
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| 14:13.48 | seb82 | Hydroxide: you happen to have any clue how to make it work? |
| 14:14.57 | johnfg | I'm using openvpn and all is working fine. Do I need to try and connect from the server machine through it's openvpn address? |
| 14:14.59 | Hydroxide | seb82: not off-hand, sorry. I've only tried internal SD on thinkpads myself. (I have a port on my current non-thinkpad machine but no available adapter for my microSDHC.) |
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| 14:15.38 | seb82 | Hydroxide: it's kk... I'll take a look on google... |
| 14:15.55 | Hydroxide | seb82: I will say that it's likely to work on debian just as well as other distros. |
| 14:16.02 | seb82 | owkay |
| 14:16.44 | Hydroxide | and in the very unlikely case they debian's firmware separation is relevant (doubtful for this kind of hardware), we still provide all the firmware in either our main archive our our non-free archive. |
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| 14:17.13 | Hydroxide | goes elsewhere to do real-word things (whoa!) :P |
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| 14:17.15 | Hydroxide | good luck |
| 14:17.17 | Hydroxide | & |
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| 14:20.16 | lilibox | hi |
| 14:20.38 | lilibox | i would like to know if is winexe anywhere avaiable for debian |
| 14:21.00 | lilibox | or also i am looking for similar tool helps me remotely command windows machines |
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| 14:21.15 | jelly | lilibox: what does it do. |
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| 14:22.35 | lilibox | WinExe is a software that allows user to execute commands remotely on WindowsNT/2000/XP/2003/Vista systems from GNU/Linux. |
| 14:23.27 | lilibox | oh, looks like it moved to sourceforge |
| 14:23.46 | lilibox | anyway, does anybody know anything better than winexe? |
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| 14:25.45 | raboof | i have a package that won't install, so now apt-get complains I have to run 'apt-get -f install' first |
| 14:26.08 | raboof | it seems this would be fixed when I remove another package, but I can't remove it with 'apt-get remove' as that tells me to run 'apt-get -f install' first, too |
| 14:26.19 | raboof | what's the way to do this now? |
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| 14:28.45 | jelly | raboof: run "apt-get -f install", first |
| 14:29.05 | karlpinc | lilibox: There's vnc, in various flavors, and rdesktop. Use the debtags package to search. |
| 14:29.06 | wols_ | raboof: and if that doesn't fix it, give us the output |
| 14:29.27 | raboof | it fails with 'trying to overwrite '/etc/wildmidi/wildmidi.cfg', which is also in package libwildmidi0 0.2.2-3' |
| 14:29.33 | raboof | so I want to remove libwildmidi0 altogether |
| 14:29.50 | jelly | raboof: remove with using dpkg. |
| 14:30.00 | jelly | raboof: or better, purge it using dpkg |
| 14:30.25 | wols_ | raboof: which debian is this? |
| 14:30.51 | jelly | raboof: redo "apt-get -f install" then. |
| 14:31.13 | raboof | wols_: a mix of testing and unstable iirc ;) |
| 14:31.33 | jelly | ,versions libwildmidi0 |
| 14:31.34 | judd | Package libwildmidi0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.2-2 |
| 14:31.37 | raboof | i guess i should file a bugreport that testing and unstable iirc ;) |
| 14:31.37 | raboof | 16:31 < jelly:#debian> ,versions libwildmidi0 testing and unstable iirc ;) |
| 14:31.41 | raboof | oops |
| 14:31.41 | wols_ | I doubt it. your midi stuff is in lenny and frm then on, it's gone. your version of it doesn't exist in debian (anymore) |
| 14:32.00 | raboof | wols_: oh that could be, it's a pretty old installation |
| 14:32.08 | jelly | keyword being "any more" |
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| 14:35.35 | krion | yo |
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| 14:52.37 | DelphiWorld | Hey all |
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| 14:52.42 | seb82 | hey DelphiWorld |
| 14:52.45 | seb82 | what about ya? |
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| 14:52.50 | DelphiWorld | i need a media server to distribute unicast streams to my UPNP devices, any idea ? |
| 14:53.52 | scoobertron | I don't know what a unicast stream is, but I am happily using minidlna to stream movies and music to various devices |
| 14:54.08 | dedbef | vlc |
| 14:54.30 | dedbef | uni-cast... as opossed to multi-cast |
| 14:54.38 | seb82 | DelphiWorld... look for MediaTomb on google... |
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| 14:55.22 | dym | How come theres no public rules for snort? |
| 14:55.26 | DelphiWorld | dedbef: vlc is too slow :P |
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| 14:55.45 | seb82 | DelphiWorld... have you tried rdp? |
| 14:55.54 | DelphiWorld | scoobertron: unicast... like http, rtsp, rtmp, mms and ... streaming protocols, point to point. not multicast like IPTV |
| 14:56.06 | DelphiWorld | seb82: what is RDP ? |
| 14:56.24 | seb82 | remote desktop protocol |
| 14:56.27 | AL13N_work | Remote Desktop Protocol? |
| 14:56.29 | DelphiWorld | seb82: MediaTomb is badly packaged on debian :( |
| 14:56.45 | DelphiWorld | hahahaha seb82 why would i need RDP? :P |
| 14:56.47 | seb82 | DelphiWorld and GMediaServer? |
| 14:57.01 | DelphiWorld | seb82: yep saw it, but not sure if they can distribute streams |
| 14:57.26 | seb82 | btw why did you need something like vlc? |
| 14:57.29 | jelly | DelphiWorld: how is vlc too slow? Do you make it transcode on the fly? |
| 14:57.52 | DelphiWorld | jelly: exactly, i don't want my mobile to transcode |
| 14:58.06 | DelphiWorld | jelly: and vlc can distribute streams through UPNP? |
| 14:58.10 | jelly | DelphiWorld: so transcode files in advance. |
| 14:58.20 | DelphiWorld | jelly: STREAMING! not files ! |
| 14:58.39 | jelly | DelphiWorld: oh, your source is also a stream? |
| 14:58.43 | DelphiWorld | jelly: no problem with vlc... can they redistribute streams through UPNP ? |
| 14:58.49 | DelphiWorld | jelly: right:P |
| 14:59.15 | jelly | I had no idea DLNA even supported streams |
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| 14:59.39 | DelphiWorld | jelly: :( |
| 15:00.35 | petemc | ive used ps3 media server to transcode on the fly / stream to various devices |
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| 15:01.07 | scoobertron | afaik DLNA is more restrictive with regard to filetypes than UPNP, so a lot more will work with UPNP. That said, a lot of UPNP/DLNA devices have their own restrictions - which is why I spend a lot of cycles converting stuff to .mpg for my tv |
| 15:01.13 | seb82 | DelphiWorld: http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/stream3.htm |
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| 15:02.32 | seb82 | DelphiWorld: Not sure if it helps... |
| 15:02.51 | DelphiWorld | seb82: sure, let me run through it |
| 15:03.03 | seb82 | kk |
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| 15:03.46 | DelphiWorld | seb82: ;) |
| 15:03.54 | seb82 | does it? |
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| 15:04.04 | DelphiWorld | wondring how doe seb82 get selected to help me :) |
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| 15:04.22 | seb82 | I just know my way around google. |
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| 15:04.57 | DelphiWorld | seb82: no, because of your netherland personality ;) |
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| 15:05.27 | seb82 | DelphiWorld: thx! |
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| 15:07.34 | seb82 | DelphiWorld: Though I feel the need to say it's not only because I'm Dutch |
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| 15:07.54 | DelphiWorld | seb82: :P |
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| 15:09.20 | seb82 | roflol... installing debian via ssh on a new server... and setting up a debian virtual image for my arm-based phone |
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| 15:15.36 | cheater | in midnight commander there is this dialog to open a path for ssh file transfers. it has a box that looks like this [^]. it is a dropdown .if you click it with the mouse it opens the last locations. how do you open it with the keyboard? |
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| 15:26.33 | no_gravity | Hello Debian Universum! I use this command to create a slim gnome install: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade;apt-get install gnome-core;apt-get install tightvncserver;vncpasswd;tightvncserver. Would you do it like this also? Or maybe use & instead of ;? |
| 15:26.38 | rpl | hi |
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| 15:28.06 | somiaj | no_gravity: apt-get install <pkg1> <pkg2> <pkg3> -- just give it a list sperated by spaces |
| 15:28.16 | rpl | recently I installed postfix on Debian squeeze with virtual domains, when I receive an email I'm getting the error: mail for <mail.my domain> loops back to myself, any idea? |
| 15:28.28 | no_gravity | somiaj: good idea! |
| 15:28.31 | somiaj | no_gravity: no need to do each on a seperate line it will figure out all the depends for you and install them in one swoop |
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| 15:29.05 | somiaj | no_gravity: now apt-get update && apt-get install foo1 foo2 foo3 -- the && may be perfable |
| 15:29.14 | somiaj | no_gravity: because if the fist command errors out you odn't want the second command running |
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| 15:29.20 | no_gravity | noflex: ah, it was && not &! |
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| 15:30.07 | no_gravity | somiaj: so this is the new line: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install gnome-core tightvncserver && vncpasswd && tightvncserver |
| 15:30.21 | no_gravity | somiaj: you agree to that? |
| 15:31.09 | somiaj | no_gravity: sure you could do that all in one line, but personally I would just run the vcnpasswd && tightvnserver on its own line and not chain things like that (so you can do any additional configuration from the install before launching the app) |
| 15:31.35 | ahmad_daoud | soma`, sorry am not now using deb , but does apt-get install @gnome work ?? group install ?? |
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| 15:31.49 | ahmad_daoud | somiaj, sorry am not now using deb , but does apt-get install @gnome work ?? group install ?? |
| 15:32.08 | no_gravity | somiaj: if i had to do configuration, i would put it into the line also. i have everything i need in that line. |
| 15:32.10 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: I see lots of ?? (dont reconize the unicode) |
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| 15:32.22 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: and I don't know what you mean by @gnome -- so I don't htink it works. |
| 15:32.42 | somiaj | no_gravity: yea you can do it, just not my preference to chain things together like that. (: |
| 15:32.43 | ahmad_daoud | group install , some thing in otrher distros |
| 15:32.51 | somiaj | what is a group install? |
| 15:32.52 | no_gravity | somiaj: alright |
| 15:33.04 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: do you mean install the whole gnome suit? |
| 15:33.12 | ahmad_daoud | yes |
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| 15:33.25 | alazare619_ | can someone assist me with apt-pining im having an issue |
| 15:33.25 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: that is what we use meta-packages for |
| 15:33.40 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: 'gnome' is just a meta-package that depends on the whole gnome suit (as defined by the debian gnome team) |
| 15:34.01 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: apt-cache show gnome (you will see it depends on all the gnome stuff and will isntall the whole gnome suit because of how we deal with depends) |
| 15:34.37 | ahmad_daoud | somiaj, what do you mean by meta-packacge ? |
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| 15:34.57 | alazare619_ | im trying to apt-ping here is my pastebin of prefrences http://pastebin.com/Nf29U7T5 |
| 15:34.59 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: its a package who only purpose is to install other packages |
| 15:35.35 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: the package itself is just mostly a list of 'depends' which all it does is pull in all the depending packages which will be the whole collection of software that forms the gnome desktop enviorment |
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| 15:36.42 | ahmad_daoud | somiaj, you mean it has no binaries ?? nothing execept which packaged to be installed & dep ?? |
| 15:36.50 | somiaj | alazare619_: do not do that. Do not mix stable and sid packages. Bad Bad juju |
| 15:37.33 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: correct, no binaries, its just alist of depends which then apt (the automatic installer) goes though that lits and figures out every package that needs to be installed to resove the dependencies which in effect installs everything that package is linked to. |
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| 15:38.41 | somiaj | alazare619_: I know your goal is to pull in a newer iceweasel, the problem is iceweasel depends on other packages (espically core packages like libc6), and so once you start to pull in core packages you will be running the unstable libc6 (and other core packages) which could then cause many unexpeted bugs with the stable versions which are compiled against a older version of the core. |
| 15:38.45 | eagles0513875_ | hey guys is there a newer version of make in a repository as it seems when compiling there are some multicore compilation issues using make 3.81 |
| 15:38.54 | sisif | Hello. Quick noob question here. I`m currently trying to use a Nokia USB/bluetooth addaptor to stream music to my BT deadset. Big issue - hot the hell do I tell ALSA / ALSAMixex to use that as my default soundcard instead oft he onboard one |
| 15:38.55 | ahmad_daoud | somiaj, well , group install is something like that .. |
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| 15:39.26 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: are you running stable? No there will never be a newer version (except for bug/security fixes) |
| 15:39.40 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: yes i am |
| 15:39.41 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: you basically are limited to backports (or making your own backport) |
| 15:40.02 | eagles0513875_ | ok :-/ |
| 15:40.09 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: so check the backports for a newer version of automake if it isn't there you can check sid and make your own backport from source |
| 15:40.13 | eagles0513875_ | do you know somiaj if there is already a backport for 3.82 version of make |
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| 15:40.43 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: 3.81 is the same version of make I see in sid |
| 15:40.48 | jelly | ,versions make |
| 15:40.49 | judd | Package make on i386 -- lenny: 3.81-5; squeeze: 3.81-8; sid: 3.81-8.1; wheezy: 3.81-8.1; experimental: 3.82-1 |
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| 15:40.55 | eagles0513875_ | humm |
| 15:40.56 | eagles0513875_ | not good |
| 15:41.00 | ahmad_daoud | somiaj, sorry bro , what's backports ?? |
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| 15:41.11 | eagles0513875_ | how can i request 3.82 be added to sid and eventually backported |
| 15:41.12 | jelly | dpkg, tell ahmad_daoud about backports |
| 15:41.33 | eagles0513875_ | the problem at least i have see with using multicore compilations is make seems to segfault |
| 15:41.47 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: because of how we deal with dependencies if you want to install newer software (not in stable) from say testing or unstable the package will be compiled against and thus depends on the libaries in testing/unstable (which are newer and not the same version as stable) |
| 15:41.55 | jelly | eagles0513875_: you don't have to, it's going to happen sooner or later |
| 15:42.13 | eagles0513875_ | better sooner then later imho |
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| 15:42.19 | jelly | eagles0513875_: upload to sid I mean. Not necessarily the backport. |
| 15:42.45 | somiaj | ahmad_daoud: so a backport is nothing but a newer piece of software (from testing usally but sometimes from sid) that has been compiled against the stable libs so it only depends on the stable libs and thus you can install it without having to destroy the stable install by pulling in unstable core libs (which then fuck with anything else that depends on teh package) |
| 15:42.45 | jelly | eagles0513875_: make a local backport yourself if you really need it |
| 15:42.54 | eagles0513875_ | jelly: is there a guide or anything |
| 15:42.59 | jelly | eagles0513875_: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:43.42 | jelly | eagles0513875_: in this particular case, you're going to want to add deb-src lines for experimental as wel |
| 15:44.08 | eagles0513875_ | is there make 3.82 in experimental |
| 15:44.12 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: packages flow down though debian. nice packages start in sid and then drop into testing (Which eventally becomes the new stable) -- this is done based off of bug reports and the number of critical bugs in the package. Experimental is just a place to put a few extra packages that are to buggy to just be droped into sid |
| 15:44.23 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=make |
| 15:44.37 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: dont packages starte in wheezy aka experimental then drop into sid then stable |
| 15:44.49 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: wheezy is not experiemntal, it is testing |
| 15:45.05 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: experimental is not a full distribution, its just a collection of packages that are 'to buggy for sid' |
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| 15:45.30 | eagles0513875_ | ok still learning how things are done in debian world |
| 15:45.37 | somiaj | as I said nice packages start in sid and drop into testing provided no critical bugs. Not so nice packages live in experiemntal a while while the developers try to make them play nice with debian. |
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| 15:45.52 | eagles0513875_ | gotcha somiaj :D |
| 15:46.14 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: is it very easy to compile packages from scratch source code |
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| 15:46.35 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: short answer yes, long answer no |
| 15:47.01 | eagles0513875_ | is there some good documentation on how to package from scratch |
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| 15:47.03 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: using 'make && make install' to put things in /usr/local is fine, you just use dpkg's ability to isntall/remove and use them as dependencies |
| 15:47.27 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: with a debian/ dir in the source tree, making a debian package from the source with the debian tools is fairly straight forward as well |
| 15:47.53 | eagles0513875_ | what if there isnt a debian directory |
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| 15:48.07 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: but the more complicated the compile process is the harder it gets (i.e. complining something like a simple shell tool will be far easier than compling the whole gnome suit) |
| 15:48.33 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: the new dh_make system can create a mostly blank one and try to just do it (with automake/autoconf) works one some source trees, not on others. |
| 15:49.01 | eagles0513875_ | ok somiaj is there some some documentation on these types of systems |
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| 15:49.35 | mah454 | Helllo ... |
| 15:49.41 | mah454 | How can i fix this Problem ? http://pastebin.com/XY1hZULK |
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| 15:50.01 | somiaj | I can't direct you any further than that. The older model is know as the 'cdbs' or 'common debian build system', but I belive the new dh7 is better than using cdbs -- this is where I'm a bit shaky, I still use the cdbs myself. |
| 15:50.19 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: look up the dh_make command and package. |
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| 15:51.00 | no_gravity | Which vnc viewer do you guys suggest? |
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| 15:51.48 | somiaj | mah454: the postrm script for the package you are trying to remove is erroring out due to debconf option. You could edit the postrm script -- the exact fix I don't know...the easy (though possibaly damanging) fix is just to ignore the postrm script |
| 15:52.15 | somiaj | mah454: first place is check the bts and see if anyone else ahs a similar issue and found a solution |
| 15:52.16 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: out of curiositywhere would one obtain newer libs for instance |
| 15:52.22 | aPpYe | I am a little confused about flashplugin-nonfree ... on the debian wiki it says to run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" if I want to update the player. Does the package manager not handle upgrades to flash plugin? |
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| 15:54.55 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: you can backport libs just like any other package. Though once you start doing that (depending on the libs) and changing things other packages depend on you arelly aren't stable anymore |
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| 15:55.12 | eagles0513875_ | ya i hear ya |
| 15:55.33 | somiaj | aPpYe: the package dosen't contain flash (you have to get flash from adobe directally cause of their license) |
| 15:55.53 | somiaj | aPpYe: the package just contains tools to download flash and install it -- so yes you have to use their tools to upgrade flash. |
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| 15:56.05 | aPpYe | somiaj, I see ... |
| 15:56.09 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: have you worked with reprepro to setup your own repositories |
| 15:56.30 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: nope, I am just a hack who plays with a desktop -- don't really have a need for my own repo for one computer. (: |
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| 15:58.16 | ahmad_daoud | eagles0513875_, what about createrepo ?? |
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| 15:59.00 | eagles0513875_ | O_o |
| 15:59.07 | eagles0513875_ | ahmad_daoud: never heard of it |
| 15:59.13 | eagles0513875_ | and only thing google turned up was reprepro |
| 16:00.10 | eagles0513875_ | umm ahmad_daoud google is returning that that is an rpm repository |
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| 16:00.27 | eagles0513875_ | reprepro is for deb based package repo |
| 16:00.35 | ahmad_daoud | EagleRock, createrepo is just a script used to create a local repo files needed for repos , then add the path of your local repo to your apt-get |
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| 16:01.29 | ahmad_daoud | sorry bro , i ve just switched recently to deb :( |
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| 16:02.30 | ahmad_daoud | eagles0513875_, but i think it's the same technique |
| 16:03.06 | eagles0513875_ | ahmad_daoud: debian uses .deb packages not .rpm like fedora or centos |
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| 16:05.11 | miasma | hi. is it somehow easily possible to make the network initialization in debian stable asynchronous. i mean i bought a super fast ssd/sata3 disk and it seems the init process is using 90% of time fetching the ip address (dhcp) |
| 16:05.35 | miasma | and it only needs that later since i don't even start any servers |
| 16:06.06 | DasEi | miasma: configure nic static |
| 16:07.06 | miasma | i can't |
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| 16:07.12 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: if i compile make 3.82 from source can i remove the default make v 3.81 |
| 16:07.39 | miasma | DasEi: unfortunately my router doesn't support that |
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| 16:08.12 | miasma | but i was just wondering if it needs to work like this. i think e.g. in gentoo the init supports async stuff |
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| 16:08.49 | thewanderer1 | miasma: how about you move network init to the end of the boot process? |
| 16:09.33 | miasma | thewanderer1: i guess it could solve this if it can start up gdm before the network |
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| 16:10.26 | miasma | thewanderer1: so is it enough to change the name of the script in /etc/rc?.d/ ? |
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| 16:10.45 | thewanderer1 | miasma: if you're using insserv, you probably need to edit its config too |
| 16:11.15 | miasma | don't know what stock debian stable uses, but i'll try to find out |
| 16:11.25 | thewanderer1 | it's insserv by default I think |
| 16:11.42 | thewanderer1 | so you'll need to mess around with the LSB headers (dependencies) |
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| 16:15.28 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: problem is all the packages that depend on make |
| 16:15.46 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: by default /usr/local is in the $PATH before /usr -- so anything you install in /usr/local will take presedence over the package |
| 16:16.27 | eagles0513875_ | i did that on another machine and it didnt pickup make v3.82 though |
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| 16:16.53 | somiaj | miasma: you can just disable the auto bring up of the device at boot and manually bring it up. |
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| 16:17.15 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: echo $PATH -- make sure the new version was put in /usr/local/bin |
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| 16:17.45 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: it finds the first instance of a command in $PATH -- so unless something is running full paths it could be an issue |
| 16:17.58 | eagles0513875_ | ok will have to try it later im soon leaving |
| 16:18.07 | miasma | somiaj: yea sure. i think that would be the easiest. i'm just wondering why the default init process is so inflexible |
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| 16:18.17 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: will you be on for a while |
| 16:19.51 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: if i make a deb pkg of make 3.82 would i need to make a pkg for the dependencies as well |
| 16:20.11 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: if you make it on your machine (compile against your libs) it will only depend on your libs and thus you meet the deps already |
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| 16:20.24 | silberkristall | hi all |
| 16:20.38 | somiaj | miasma: check the networking script, I think its up to the paticular init script but I'm not that intimate with init process |
| 16:20.40 | silberkristall | everybody here whos can helped me with my squid.conf? |
| 16:20.47 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: wont i have conflicts with the system make already though |
| 16:21.00 | eagles0513875_ | or will it remove 3.81 and upgrade to 3.82 |
| 16:22.02 | somiaj | eagles0513875_: its the same package, just a newer version so it will 'upgrade' that package. |
| 16:22.16 | eagles0513875_ | perfect :D just what i need |
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| 16:22.40 | eagles0513875_ | now what if im lets say im on the latest version of kubuntu would i have to make a specific package for that |
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| 16:23.01 | eagles0513875_ | or will the dependencies be the same as the ones i built against on squeeze |
| 16:23.53 | somiaj | what do you think is kubuntu the same os as squeeze (there are enough differences in the core where its more than just packag versions that will be different) |
| 16:25.24 | eagles0513875_ | somiaj: all i know about the ubuntu line is that they dont upgrade versions unless they are upgraded here in upstream debian |
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| 16:32.55 | ruggidy | hello |
| 16:33.09 | ruggidy | How long does an e2fsck usually take? |
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| 16:33.50 | eagles0513875_ | ruggidy: depends on size of the disk |
| 16:33.59 | ruggidy | it is 93.2 gigabytes |
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| 16:34.01 | eagles0513875_ | ruggidy: as well the rpm of the drive plays a role too |
| 16:34.07 | ruggidy | 7200 RPM |
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| 16:34.19 | eagles0513875_ | guess it depends how dirty the drive is so to speak |
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| 16:38.27 | darkhmet_ | whois darkhmet |
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| 16:38.55 | darkhmet_ | exit |
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| 16:39.32 | darkhmet_ | sorry, i'm with a new keyboard distribution |
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| 16:46.36 | siefca | any OpenSSL master here? ^.^ |
| 16:46.41 | siefca | wondering |
| 16:46.46 | siefca | is it possible to create intermediate CA but limited to some DNS domains? |
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| 16:49.01 | echo083 | siefca, CA certificate are emited by a specific company (organization) |
| 16:49.24 | echo083 | siefca, once you have your CA you can emit your certificate for a given domain |
| 16:49.37 | echo083 | siefca, i'm no sort of openssl master i just try to help you |
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| 16:54.38 | TrueDD | Hi everybody ! |
| 16:55.11 | siefca | echo083: i have my own CA, for personal use, i'm trying to emit intermediate CA key for signing other keys (certificates creation) but only for certain domains |
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| 16:55.40 | siefca | echo083: wondering if such limitation (to some domain names) is possible |
| 16:56.40 | echo083 | siefca, oh no a CA certificate can't be limited to a particular domain, from a CA certificate you can emit for any domain |
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| 17:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | siefca: Your question makes no sense. You only sign the certificates for domains you wish to authenticate. |
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| 17:04.57 | siefca | jhutchins_lt: I don't want to empower my intermediate certificate to be valid for any domain. that's because if i will install it on some computers and make it trusted I don't want it to be able to certify the domains other than mine |
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| 17:05.15 | cherrybone | any idea how to download all .pdf files from the resources section of a moodle account on a web server via https? |
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| 17:05.44 | jhutchins_lt | siefca: Your question makes no sense. You only sign the certificates for domains you wish to authenticate. Only certificates you have signed are authenticated by your certificate. |
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| 17:06.27 | d3c | I'm looking for a way to manage a web server fleet. I want to be able to launch new web servers that will "call home" to tell their IP so I'm able to somehow e.g. update all web servers from one location and also deploy source code via e.g. capistrano. what is best practice for this? |
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| 17:07.33 | jhutchins_lt | d3c: How would you install a web server and not know the IP where it was installed? Malware? |
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| 17:08.05 | d3c | jhutchins_lt: amazon, lol |
| 17:08.13 | ruggidy | Does fsck on a mounted drive do the same thing as e2fsck -f on an unmounted drive? |
| 17:09.25 | tabakhase | d3c im having a minutewise cron in my image witch act as kind of "im alive" |
| 17:09.25 | dondelelcaro | ruggidy: no |
| 17:09.29 | d3c | jhutchins_lt: or maybe their API will tell me. hmm, will look into that. |
| 17:09.29 | siefca | jhutchins_lt: If the key is compromised I'm risking MITM attacks on any computer that trusts my certificate and connects to ANY site protected by SSL/TLS. I want to avoid it and risk just my own domains. |
| 17:09.33 | dondelelcaro | ruggidy: read the manpage, which answers your question |
| 17:09.39 | tabakhase | for protecting against "wild" input theres a passkey in the image |
| 17:10.02 | d3c | tabakhase: alright. I was thinking heartbeat/pacemaker but I never tried that stuff before |
| 17:10.35 | jhutchins_lt | siefca: You put a password on the certificate and no one who doesn't know the password can sign a key with it. |
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| 17:10.51 | jhutchins_lt | siefca: I think you need to read the documentation on how the public/private key encryption works. |
| 17:11.08 | lamah | why aptitude full-upgrade removes packages??! |
| 17:11.15 | lamah | and then i don't have many programs? |
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| 17:16.07 | lamah | unmet dependencies ? |
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| 17:16.34 | siefca | jhutchins_lt: it's not a question about encryption but about X.509 fields describing signing keys and (possibly) limiting the usage of a cert to some domain(s) |
| 17:16.52 | lamah | how to fix unmet dependencies? |
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| 17:17.46 | MrFrood | lamah: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 17:17.54 | lamah | MrFrood: 6.0.2 |
| 17:18.13 | alazare6190 | im in need of some assitance with apt-pining |
| 17:18.26 | MrFrood | ok, so not a testing/sid bug then |
| 17:18.37 | alazare6190 | whenever i try to do a upgrade it keeps pulling from sid and i just want it to pull a few from sid as per my apt pining |
| 17:18.44 | siefca | jhutchins_lt: i mean the certificate associated with a signing key |
| 17:18.58 | lamah | MrFrood: no |
| 17:19.07 | lamah | MrFrood: that is ... strange |
| 17:19.38 | MrFrood | siefca: #debian-next on the oftc server for sid issues |
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| 17:19.58 | alazare6190 | pastebin.com/LhpxfS5h |
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| 17:21.13 | MrFrood | lamah: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:22.08 | MrFrood | er alazare6190 #debian-next on the oftc server for sid issues |
| 17:22.35 | alazare6190 | its not a sid issue its a stable issue as i said im just trying to pull those from sid repo...this is a stable issue not a sid |
| 17:22.45 | MrFrood | ok |
| 17:22.58 | alazare6190 | http://pastebin.com/LhpxfS5h |
| 17:23.00 | cheater | is the meta key the same thing as the alt key? |
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| 17:23.14 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 17:23.16 | alazare6190 | there is the apt-pining but whenever i try and do the update it trys and pulls everything from sid wich is a nono |
| 17:23.21 | MrFrood | cheater: depends on how your kb is set up |
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| 17:23.29 | cheater | how do i know how it's set up? |
| 17:23.34 | Nebukadneza | is there any documentation on the implications of software raid (dmraid) formats and which one is the wisest to choose for which application? |
| 17:23.43 | simonlnu | alazare6190: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:24.46 | simonlnu | they're not in passwd at all |
| 17:24.54 | lamah | MrFrood: http://pastebin.com/HvkG85PW |
| 17:25.01 | alazare6190 | simonlnu: i know what im doing im just having an issue with apt-pining can someone just look at the pastebin and see if i did it right |
| 17:25.07 | simonlnu | see /etc/group |
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| 17:25.47 | simonlnu | alazare6190: obviously you didn't do it right, so no, you don't know. i don't need to see it to tell me that. |
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| 17:26.37 | simonlnu | um, why are you trying to install iceweseal from sid? |
| 17:26.46 | simonlnu | iceweasel* |
| 17:26.46 | alazare6190 | as per the 6.0 release |
| 17:26.50 | MrFrood | lamah: that looks good, no errors I couls spot - perhaps try a differnt mirror? |
| 17:26.57 | alazare6190 | and mozilla.debian.net requires 2 keys |
| 17:27.01 | sylar | simonlnu, thanks |
| 17:27.02 | alazare6190 | wich is impossible for live build to run |
| 17:27.09 | MrFrood | s/couls/could |
| 17:28.28 | lamah | MrFrood: i understand yes, but i can't install libreoffice and gnash, gnash-common after apt-get upgrade and then aptitude full-upgrade... aptitude removes the gnash and libreoffice i don't know why... and After that to install again libreoofice and gnash is not possible with this unmet dependencies errror |
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| 17:29.03 | aPpYe | okay, I am being told that flashplugin-nonfree only supplies the tools needed to install flashplugin, similar to googleearth-package ... however, I just installed a fresh VM and it has flash plugin running inside iceweasel. Is the wiki information about this package out of date? All I did was apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, along with the rest of my desktop. |
| 17:29.27 | MrFrood | lamah: have you checked to see if the packages conflict |
| 17:29.36 | sylar | I upgraded to squeeze, and now I can't mount as a plugdev user, please help |
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| 17:29.50 | lamah | MrFrood: how |
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| 17:29.52 | kuznetzvo-afk | Roy isn't here yet? hehehehe |
| 17:30.05 | aPpYe | I am on testing. |
| 17:30.24 | Hydroxide | aPpYe: it downloads it from adobe.com. it wouldn't install working flash without internet access. |
| 17:30.24 | aPpYe | I see version 11,0,1,129 |
| 17:30.39 | Hydroxide | aPpYe: though it probably also has a way for you to download it and put it in place |
| 17:31.14 | aPpYe | Hydroxide, not sure what you mean, "it wouldn't install working flash without internet access" ... |
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| 17:31.31 | JacobF | where can I get help recovering files from a usb flashdrive, I believe what happened was I unmounted it when it was not ready somehow and now when I mount it it has only 2 files that were directly on the drive and the folders were replaced by a strange file with lots of spaces in it's name and a single dot. I have been trying on and off to recover these files for over a year with no results at all, and I tried some Windows file recov |
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| 17:32.12 | aPpYe | Hydroxide, oh I see it downloads the package, then the package itself automatically gets it from adobe.com |
| 17:32.17 | MrFrood | lamah: check the package pages over at http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 17:32.19 | aPpYe | right? |
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| 17:32.54 | Hydroxide | aPpYe: yes. |
| 17:33.07 | kuznetzvo-afk | jacob: if you've run forensics recovery applications on the drive and haven't found anything, you are most likely screwed. you can try consulting a data recovery firm in the data is worth the hundreds of dollars they will probably charge you. though, you are probably just out of luck |
| 17:33.13 | sweb | what happened to kernel.org ? how much longer to fix ? |
| 17:33.21 | Hydroxide | aPpYe: it's not legal for debian to redistribute flash itself, but the way that works is legal. |
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| 17:34.09 | simonlnu | sweb: go see their site... |
| 17:34.14 | aPpYe | Hydroxide, licensing cracks me up sometimes. |
| 17:34.30 | sweb | simonlnu, not useful data found |
| 17:34.48 | aPpYe | so will the package manager automatically trigger new installations of flash when a new version is available then? |
| 17:35.35 | Hydroxide | aPpYe: I'm not sure. either way there's definitely a command installed by the debian packaging to easily update it. update-flashplugin-nonfree. we even provide a man page :) |
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| 17:36.16 | Hydroxide | aPpYe: also consider seeing if the free flash replacements like gnash and/or lightspark work for your needs. I've had a few too many issues with them to stick with them myself, but I came close to saying "up it's good enough now" |
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| 17:36.36 | JacobF | kuznetzvo-afk: I have just tried a free recovery software on windows, file paths are what is lost, but the drive still shows the right amount used. is there any file recovery software that I could try on linux? |
| 17:36.43 | JacobF | the fs is msdos |
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| 17:36.51 | simonlnu | 'no useful data there' would make more grammatic sense, but i'm being nitpicky and pedantic |
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| 17:37.03 | kuznetzvo-afk | hmm |
| 17:37.11 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 17:37.39 | aPpYe | Hydroxide, gnash ... huh. haven't thought of that in a while. |
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| 17:37.51 | aPpYe | it was terrible when I played with it years ago. |
| 17:38.20 | jhutchins_lt | aPpYe: No, you have to run the updater manually. |
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| 17:38.52 | simonlnu | JacobF: there's an fsck in dosfsutils |
| 17:39.20 | aPpYe | jhutchins_lt, thanks for that. |
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| 17:40.43 | JacobF | simonlnu: thanks I will try this, whatever I do I don't want to mess up the bytes on the disk though |
| 17:40.46 | kuznetzvo-afk | gddrescue and testdisk would be good places to start.. can apt-get them |
| 17:41.07 | aPpYe | I guess I could add that to my startup scripts... |
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| 17:49.57 | JacobF | testdisk is at least showing the missing file names! they're all showing up in red text |
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| 17:50.21 | JacobF | ah, "deleted files" |
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| 17:52.42 | kuznetzvo-afk | getting closer to your goal i imagine now |
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| 17:56.12 | kuznetzvo-afk | i hope this helps.. i can certainly empathize with your situation. |
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| 17:56.19 | kuznetzvo-afk | i have to take painkillers and do work now. cheers |
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| 17:56.53 | JacobF | it would be wonderful to have the files back |
| 17:57.11 | sylar | anyone knows how to debug permissions? |
| 17:57.44 | JacobF | I can copy them and they have a good size, but they don't open, but certainly closer |
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| 17:58.21 | kokoshmusun | I just did my first debian install. I choose XFCE. How can I make it nicer, add a theme etc? |
| 17:58.46 | seb82 | kokoshmusun... google is your friend... that's how I did it... |
| 17:59.09 | kokoshmusun | I know, I do everything with google, but this time I wanted to try IRC and see how it would go |
| 17:59.55 | zophy | hi |
| 18:00.05 | th0r | kokoshmusun: you can find the themes in several places on the web. Place each theme in it's own folder in ~/.themes and it will show up in the Settings as another theme choice. |
| 18:00.19 | zophy | debian only works if you have MS windows installed |
| 18:00.55 | kokoshmusun | th0r: thanks |
| 18:00.56 | th0r | es |
| 18:01.21 | kokoshmusun | zophy: what are you trying to say? debian is a standalone OS. |
| 18:01.21 | th0r | kokoshmusun: you might start at xfce-look.org |
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| 18:02.13 | kokoshmusun | I'm really curious if debian will be my permanent or long-term home. How do you think people coming from ubuntu generally like it? |
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| 18:02.54 | kokoshmusun | Also, I was wondering what are the main differences between debian and arch user experience. I'm inspired to give arch a go as well, but I'm probably not that sophisticated yet |
| 18:03.08 | th0r | kokoshmusun: those aren't really debian support questioins |
| 18:04.31 | kokoshmusun | this is only for support, no other chat? |
| 18:04.48 | simonlnu | kokoshmusun: xfce-look.org |
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| 18:05.00 | kokoshmusun | simonlnu: thanks, looking there. |
| 18:05.10 | th0r | kokoshmusun: the other questions belong in #debian-offtopic |
| 18:05.16 | kokoshmusun | I see, my apologies |
| 18:05.25 | simonlnu | kokoshmusun: if you want non-support related topics, go to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:05.37 | simonlnu | oh nm, th0r got you ;) |
| 18:05.52 | kokoshmusun | thanks and sorry |
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| 18:12.59 | sylar | can anyone help me debug why I can't mount usb-disk as a user despite being on plugdev group? |
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| 18:24.00 | jelly | dpkg, tell kokoshmusun -about gnome3 |
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| 18:27.57 | JacobF | is there some utility that can do an exact byte copy of a usb disk, I tried "dd bs=4096 if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdd" but sdd won't mount |
| 18:28.14 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: Did you say what release you're on? And what desktop? |
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| 18:28.47 | sylar | jhutchins_lt, squeeze, gnome, but in terminal I get the same error |
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| 18:30.12 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: this was on exacty byte copy |
| 18:30.13 | jhutchins_lt | !automount |
| 18:30.13 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 18:30.18 | jelly | JacobF: after you do the copy, sync and make the kernel reread the partition table on /dev/sdd if there is one on sdc. |
| 18:30.23 | valdyn | JacobF: this was on exacty byte copy |
| 18:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: What was? |
| 18:30.40 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: not for you, sorry |
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| 18:31.34 | jelly | JacobF: eg. blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdd |
| 18:32.04 | sylar | jhutchins_lt, I don't want automount, I want manual mount possible for user |
| 18:32.22 | JacobF | jelly: that command did it, thanks :) |
| 18:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: On my system it defaults to the desktop utility offering to mount it when it's connected. I don't know why yours isn't working, this is not a tweaked installation. |
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| 18:34.30 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: I suggest you persue gnome-volume-manager and/or one of the suggested console resources. |
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| 18:36.17 | sylar | jhutchins_lt, I tried pmount, it works but it doesn't help mount from nautilus |
| 18:36.22 | n-iCe | anyone knows the command to start chrome? google-chrome %u or something like that I forgot |
| 18:36.52 | sylar | jhutchins, or to mount with normal mount command |
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| 18:37.01 | tvm | n-ice: chromium-browser |
| 18:37.03 | sylar | mount: only root can do that |
| 18:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: Of course not. |
| 18:37.07 | simonlnu | n-iCe: that '%u' is a printf thingy, man 3 printf (in manpages-dev) |
| 18:37.22 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: gnome-volume-manager for nautilus. |
| 18:37.29 | simonlnu | n-iCe: you could try goo<tab> |
| 18:37.40 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: Also see man mount. |
| 18:37.59 | sylar | jhutchins_lt, shouldn't being member of plugdev enable mounting with it for normal users? |
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| 18:38.39 | n-iCe | I don't use chromium |
| 18:38.44 | n-iCe | I downloaded google-chrome-stable |
| 18:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | I don't knwo what gnome-volume-manager does, I use kde. |
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| 18:39.38 | n-iCe | the lastest iso of amd64 is installing KDE |
| 18:39.39 | n-iCe | Be careful |
| 18:39.45 | n-iCe | in testing |
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| 18:41.15 | simonlnu | well, it's testing... you pick 'em |
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| 18:44.26 | n-iCe | what I can't do is to fix my micrphone |
| 18:44.30 | n-iCe | It just does not work |
| 18:44.36 | n-iCe | I have tried everything |
| 18:45.16 | n-iCe | anyone would like to try? |
| 18:45.23 | n-iCe | HDA INTEL |
| 18:46.12 | n-iCe | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 18:46.32 | sylar | dpkg say that gnome-volume-manager is removed since squeeze |
| 18:46.32 | dpkg | that gnome-volume-manager is removed since squeeze |
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| 18:48.19 | alazare6190 | im looking for an alternative to liquorix kernel any ideas? |
| 18:48.30 | abrotman | the Debian kernel |
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| 18:49.40 | alazare6190 | has it actually improved |
| 18:50.01 | alazare6190 | last time i was just using it it was slow compared to liquorix dont have numbers to prove but just felt slower |
| 18:50.17 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#id407221 |
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| 18:51.30 | sylar | jhutchins_lt, but my users are not logged on physically to the system :( |
| 18:51.59 | sylar | jhutchins_lt, everything that was configured, I guess is worthless now :( |
| 18:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | sylar: http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome/nautilus_vs_gnome-volume-manager |
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| 18:55.21 | abrotman | alazare6190: #debian knows about the Debian packaged kernels .. if you want to use others, you're on your own |
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| 18:56.38 | jelly | alazare6190: why are you looking for an alternative, anyway |
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| 18:57.07 | alazare6190 | because i can no real reason ive been using liquorix but i like to try other things you know |
| 18:57.19 | alazare6190 | kinda like when you been with a girl for along time you love her but you want some strange |
| 18:57.30 | abrotman | wtf |
| 18:57.46 | abrotman | go goof off somewhere else |
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| 18:58.30 | jelly | dunno, I try to keep the bits of software that work well |
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| 19:01.10 | sylar | so g-v-m is removed, what replaced it? |
| 19:01.27 | sylar | and how do I make it enable mounting with pmount? |
| 19:01.43 | sylar | or what am I supposed to do? |
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| 19:04.17 | sylar | are consolekit or policykit going to help? |
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| 19:07.22 | rpl | hi |
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| 19:08.54 | rpl | I recently installed postfix on debian 6.0 with virtual domains. When I receive mail I'm getting the error: User unknown in virtual alias table. The users should be on virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf ?? |
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| 19:09.25 | EvilGenius101 | I'm having a serious issue with apt-get, its so so so so so slow |
| 19:09.56 | EvilGenius101 | Server is in Germany, and using DE Repo |
| 19:10.05 | EvilGenius101 | it gets stuck on ipv6 for debian security |
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| 19:11.00 | sangoku | i just a little question, i am using (3.0.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Aug 27 16:21:11 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux) and when i try to shutdown or poweroff, i can see init no more processes left in this runlevel but computer not powered off. any idea? |
| 19:11.10 | sangoku | sorry debian sid |
| 19:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is just one server for debian security because it would take too long to mirror |
| 19:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I heard someone say it's slow... perhaps some temporary problem |
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| 19:13.03 | EvilGenius101 | cutmeownthroat, I can't install bunch of apache updates and stuff because its giving me only few hundred bytes! |
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| 19:13.43 | jhutchins_lt | sangoku: I've had that happen with other distros on earlier kernels. System is usually not responsive to anything but power switch, but you can try Ctrl-C. |
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| 19:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | sangoku: Clearly it's the step AFTER killing all processes that hangs. |
| 19:14.45 | tabakhase | "System is usually not responsive to anything but power switch" made my day, thanks |
| 19:14.59 | mah454 | How can i use update-rc.d ? receive this message : update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 19:15.36 | rpl | I recently installed postfix on debian 6.0 with virtual domains. When I receive mail I'm getting the error: User unknown in virtual alias table. The users should be on virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf, mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_email2email.cf ?? |
| 19:15.45 | sangoku | <jhutchins_lt>: thanks i will try, one of my friend has got the very same computer (we buy it at same time) but he has not that problem, same distro same version.... i have used lxc maybe this is the issue |
| 19:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | EvilGenius101, actually, seems to give me normal transfer rates, I just upgraded apache from security and the three packages were there in seconds |
| 19:16.37 | sangoku | <jhutchins_lt>: just tried ctrl-c but nothing happen, numlock still responsive |
| 19:16.41 | tabakhase | grrr @ nullmailer mail.err from tag nullmailer "smtp: Succeeded: 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 435B482C07" succeeded and "ok" but error=? wtf... |
| 19:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | EvilGenius101, so perhaps some local problem of yours? Or possibly things go a strange route |
| 19:17.29 | jhutchins_lt | sangoku: That suggests that the kernel is still alive but the shell is dead. |
| 19:17.32 | EvilGenius101 | Hm... Is there an alternatvie security repo? |
| 19:17.54 | sangoku | <jhutchins_lt>: i will try to reinstall i think :( |
| 19:18.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, as I said, it's centralized, because it's not clear how often mirrors would update their packages |
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| 19:20.39 | dondelelcaro | does anyone know of a good non-in memory hex editor? |
| 19:20.50 | dondelelcaro | (lfhex can't handle insertion) |
| 19:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hexedit? |
| 19:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, strike good... I don't like it much but use it anyway |
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| 19:21.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and I don't think any of those do insertion |
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| 19:22.41 | sangoku | bb |
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| 19:29.50 | sephii | I've got this in my amavis configuration file: $final_virus_destiny = D_DISCARD; but I keep receiving mails BANNED CONTENTS to postmaster. Any idea? |
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| 19:34.07 | panet | hello i setup ssh, but i not know if password blank is dangerous? |
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| 19:34.31 | panet | i use keys |
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| 19:34.38 | lava` | I'm trying to install java-sun, which I know requires adding the non-free repository, but dang if I can't find the actual url to use in my sources file :/ |
| 19:34.44 | lava` | is there any good way to find them? |
| 19:35.14 | Chilaquiles | Why every time I want to launch DeVeDe it tells me that it can't open because mplayer and mencoder are not installed, but they are installed. What can I do? |
| 19:35.18 | Chilaquiles | any suggestions? |
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| 19:35.25 | kuznetzvo-afk | the sources.list you make "main" into "main contrib non-free" iirc. you can google to find perfect syntax examples.. |
| 19:36.01 | kuznetzvo-afk | panet: when your keys are comprised :) |
| 19:36.36 | panet | so password is very important |
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| 19:37.28 | lava` | kuznetzvo-afk: that worked, thanks :) |
| 19:37.49 | allorder | Chilaquiles: dunno why, try dvdstyler I found it better.. |
| 19:37.59 | lava` | panet: key w/o password is safer than authenticating via password, because the creds stay on your computer |
| 19:38.16 | lava` | but key w/ password is even safer |
| 19:38.33 | panet | key + password is best i think |
| 19:39.05 | lava` | panet: it's just less convenient. But tools like ssh-agent make it a bit more tolerable |
| 19:39.38 | panet | lava`: you want no password + secureity that is very hard |
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| 19:39.55 | zykotick9_ | lava`, i doubt you can install sun-java from any repo any more (on any distro). |
| 19:40.07 | lava` | zykotick9_: I just did it? |
| 19:40.22 | lava` | panet: It's easy if you trust your own system to keep your secrets |
| 19:40.37 | zykotick9_ | lava`, humm - that's interesting. Direct from Oracle for using a Debian repo? |
| 19:40.49 | qrq | I remastered system with remastersys and when I launch debian installer it shows me in terminal :" no suitable d-i initrd image found, aborting. |
| 19:40.49 | qrq | " |
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| 19:41.10 | lava` | zykotick9_: it was `sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk` |
| 19:41.28 | qrq | How fix that? :D |
| 19:41.31 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Sounds like there was an error in your remaster. |
| 19:41.36 | lava` | zykotick9_: by simply making the changes in sources that kuznetzvo-afk recommended |
| 19:41.48 | qrq | jhutchins_lt Yes , but how fix that :D |
| 19:42.06 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Figure out what you changed that caused it not to work. |
| 19:42.09 | zykotick9_ | lava`, oh it used (i guess still is) to be there, but Oracle recently changed the licensing surrounding java distribution. |
| 19:42.17 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.24 | qrq | Its just copy |
| 19:42.26 | lava` | zykotick9_: they hate everybody? |
| 19:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Why did you remaster then? |
| 19:42.29 | qrq | Without /home |
| 19:42.38 | zykotick9_ | lava`, :) ya basically. |
| 19:42.57 | Hydroxide | yeah, no more versions of the official binary Oracle Java distribution are going to be in Debian or any other distribution which doesn't violate the law or make special deals with Oracle |
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| 19:43.12 | lava` | well that's gosh-darned exciting |
| 19:43.13 | qrq | jhutchins_lt Because I got many applications installed |
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| 19:43.27 | Hydroxide | but we will continue to have OpenJDK, and Oracle's binary official Java is still available from Oracle if you want it |
| 19:43.30 | qrq | jhutchins_lt And I dont want to install them again |
| 19:43.43 | lava` | Hydroxide: so that only applies to versions after a certain version? Not retro-applied to old versions? |
| 19:43.45 | Hydroxide | and OpenJDK is now the reference implementation for Java |
| 19:43.56 | qrq | jhutchins_lt Sorry for confusing |
| 19:43.58 | qrq | :D |
| 19:44.02 | n-iCe | hi, question, if I have a centrino 2 inside intel and 4GB ram, should I use i386 or amd64? or it is no difference? |
| 19:44.05 | lava` | Hydroxide: it's the reference? who decides that? |
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| 19:44.30 | Hydroxide | lava`: correct, as I understand it. I don't think you can obtain java under the old license directly from oracle any more, but I don't think they're invalidating the copies distros have already grabbed |
| 19:44.38 | Hydroxide | lava`: Oracle and/or the JCP decides that. |
| 19:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: We don't know what process you followed or how you set it up, so it's very difficult for us to guess what you might have done wrong. |
| 19:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | n-iCe, little difference, pick one. i386 if you have non-64-bit programs you want to run, to save the extra-hassle |
| 19:45.25 | Hydroxide | lava`: starting with Java 7, I believe. they're also going to be making official reference implementation binaries straight from OpenJDK. debian will continue to compile its own as usual, also based on OpenJDK. |
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| 19:45.45 | lava` | tries to figure out what would motivate Oracle to do that |
| 19:45.49 | n-iCe | what is extra-hassle CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:45.53 | Hydroxide | lava`: the official reference implementation binaries will be licensed the same way as OpenJDK, but their official binary java with the other add-ins will still be under its usual license |
| 19:46.08 | qrq | jhutchins_lt "sudo remastersys clean" with debian gnome live dvd 6.0.1 |
| 19:46.11 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: I would suggest that you review the steps you took and the documentation for remastersys and see if you can figure it out. |
| 19:46.13 | n-iCe | ok ok |
| 19:46.14 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 19:46.20 | Cisien | does /etc/network/interfaces support both an ipv4 and an ipv6 address line in the same config block? If not, what's the best way to statically assign an ipv6 address to the interface |
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| 19:46.28 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.41 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: I would also recommend running it as root rather than using sudo. |
| 19:47.00 | sylar | I installed smuxi, but I don't see any new program installed, and cli doesn't recognize the command smuxi |
| 19:47.05 | Hydroxide | lava`: see http://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry/moving_to_openjdk_as_the and http://robilad.livejournal.com/90792.html for some official info (despite the livejournal.com URL) |
| 19:47.13 | jelly-home | Cisien: write two stanzas, one for inet static, one for inet6 static |
| 19:47.18 | lava` | Hydroxide: thanks |
| 19:47.26 | Cisien | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 19:47.35 | Hydroxide | np |
| 19:47.43 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: It's possible that you changed something on the live image that makes it unbootable now. |
| 19:47.52 | jelly-home | Cisien: examples! /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 19:48.26 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: I don't know for sure that you can do that with a live CD based system and remastersys. |
| 19:48.29 | jelly-home | for some reason my Debian testing has 0 ipv6 examples in there |
| 19:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: The boot process for a live CD is not the same as the boot process for a regular installation. |
| 19:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | n-iCe, depends on the i386 programs you want to run... a reason for running amd64 would be if you plan to use more than... dunno 32G of ram or so |
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| 19:49.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | (forgot the exact maximum supported size) |
| 19:49.49 | dwfreed | jelly-home: if you're running SLAAC, then IPv6 is completely automatic, no matter what your networking config is |
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| 19:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, for intel cores 64GB |
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| 19:52.05 | jelly-home | dwfreed: I'm not running anything yet, but when I start, I'm going to want static assignments. |
| 19:52.18 | qrq | jhutchins_lt So what is the best way to remaster system? |
| 19:52.50 | jelly-home | dwfreed: not a fan of DDNS |
| 19:52.57 | dwfreed | jelly-home: easiest way then is just to use the up and down hooks |
| 19:53.07 | dwfreed | I don't remember the exact syntax |
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| 19:53.31 | jelly-home | dwfreed: that seems silly. There's a perfectly acceptable iface ... inet6 static syntax |
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| 19:54.27 | dwfreed | jelly-home: meh, the up/down hooks are easier to learn, and allow for as much customizability as ip provides |
| 19:54.41 | jelly-home | and they're completely arbitrary |
| 19:54.42 | sylar | how do I download a version 2.27 of epiphany-browser |
| 19:54.44 | sylar | ? |
| 19:55.08 | qrq | Can anyone tell me? How remaster debian? :D |
| 19:55.11 | sylar | I tried "apt-get source epiphany-browser=2.27" but that didn't work |
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| 20:01.02 | jelly-home | sylar: first figure out which versions are available. apt-cache policy epiphany-browser, http://packages.debian.org/epiphany-browser |
| 20:01.10 | jelly-home | and |
| 20:01.16 | jelly-home | ,versions epiphany-browser |
| 20:01.18 | judd | Package epiphany-browser on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-9; squeeze: 2.30.6-1; sid: 3.0.4-1; wheezy: 3.0.4-1 |
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| 20:01.53 | Aut0ExeC | hi guys |
| 20:01.58 | Aut0ExeC | help with cups please |
| 20:02.05 | Aut0ExeC | getting 403 forbidden |
| 20:02.10 | Aut0ExeC | when i try to access from my network |
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| 20:03.07 | cheater | hi, i want to move all my files to a new ext3 partition |
| 20:03.17 | cheater | what's the best way to do that? |
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| 20:03.58 | Monotoko | ls |
| 20:04.00 | Monotoko | >.> |
| 20:04.18 | bjwebb | i'm trying to run gdmsetup, but don't have gnome installed. the "click to make changes button" does not work. is there a package i'm probably missing? |
| 20:04.26 | sylar | jelly-home, that is all there is? |
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| 20:04.54 | sylar | jelly-home, I want version 2.27 I think |
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| 20:07.27 | DebianUserMark | Is it possible to edit the sudoers file with leafpad? |
| 20:07.32 | Monotoko | right...I have ZNC compiled somewhere on this server, how do I find it? XD |
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| 20:08.12 | ompaul | DebianUserMark: it would be better if you didn't - do it on the command line and be really happy |
| 20:08.16 | ompaul | visudo |
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| 20:08.36 | ompaul | it will invoke your system editor and let you do the work and most important SANITY CHECK IT on the way to a save |
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| 20:09.27 | DebianUserMark | how do you u save in visudo ompaul? |
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| 20:10.15 | ompaul | DebianUserMark: have you invoked it as root? |
| 20:10.27 | ompaul | DebianUserMark: on which version of debian? |
| 20:10.31 | DebianUserMark | yes i have run visudo as root |
| 20:10.33 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Sorry, I don't know. |
| 20:10.37 | DebianUserMark | squeeze |
| 20:10.58 | ompaul | DebianUserMark: at the foot of the window I think you will find that it suggests crtl-x if you read it |
| 20:11.16 | DebianUserMark | ctrl x is to exit |
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| 20:11.36 | ompaul | DebianUserMark: and as you exit it offers to do what? |
| 20:11.49 | DebianUserMark | ill see |
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| 20:14.31 | DebianUserMark | how do i add my user to the sudoers list my user's name is mark. |
| 20:14.48 | DebianUserMark | i |
| 20:14.53 | DebianUserMark | i'm in visudo |
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| 20:21.11 | Chilaquiles | is there any software that can recommend me to make DVDs playable in a DVD video player? |
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| 20:21.20 | jrabbit | dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable. |
| 20:21.21 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jrabbit |
| 20:21.23 | jrabbit | eeek! |
| 20:21.34 | jrabbit | dpkg error on dist-upgrade |
| 20:21.35 | dpkg | jrabbit: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:21.42 | ompaul | jrabbit: it is a bot |
| 20:21.55 | ompaul | !tell Chilaquiles about dvd |
| 20:22.11 | jrabbit | Nono |
| 20:22.13 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: /msg dpkg things you see inside < > when you wand to know |
| 20:22.17 | jrabbit | I have a dpkg error. |
| 20:22.18 | ompaul | jrabbit: yessssss |
| 20:22.40 | jrabbit | https://gist.github.com/1215037 |
| 20:22.47 | jrabbit | where is ldconfig supposed to be? |
| 20:22.54 | Chilaquiles | there's no answer to my question inside dpkg |
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| 20:24.05 | dondelelcaro | jrabbit: it's a known bug; see #639336 et al |
| 20:24.43 | Chilaquiles | I want to create a DVD playable in a DVD player out from a avi file or mpeg or wahtever other video format |
| 20:25.09 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: a suitable tool is called k3b for that |
| 20:26.01 | jrabbit | dondelelcaro: ty |
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| 20:26.28 | Chilaquiles | ompaul: I have problems executing k3b another program? |
| 20:26.50 | jrabbit | dondelelcaro: shouldn't that have halted the sudo package from moving forward into testing? |
| 20:26.57 | jrabbit | or was it caught after? |
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| 20:27.10 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: how can you have problems executing k3b? |
| 20:27.18 | dondelelcaro | jrabbit: it's not a serious bug |
| 20:27.21 | ompaul | what are these problems? |
| 20:28.25 | jrabbit | dondelelcaro: it breaks apt >_> |
| 20:28.35 | Chilaquiles | ompaul: it says this: <unknown program name>(5883)/: KUniqueApplication: Pipe closed unexpectedly. |
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| 20:29.28 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: What version of debian are you running? |
| 20:29.50 | dondelelcaro | jrabbit: nah, it just doesn't set the path |
| 20:29.51 | Chilaquiles | squeeze |
| 20:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183936 |
| 20:30.14 | jrabbit | dondelelcaro: oooh thats all? |
| 20:30.15 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: Is k3b installed? |
| 20:30.19 | Chilaquiles | yep |
| 20:30.37 | jrabbit | dondelelcaro: is there a solution in there? |
| 20:30.55 | dondelelcaro | jrabbit: yes |
| 20:31.09 | jhutchins_lt | chipotle: Something is wrong with your system then, k3b is known to be fairly reliable. |
| 20:31.23 | jhutchins_lt | chipotle: Sorry. |
| 20:31.26 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: ^^ that line was for you |
| 20:31.28 | chipotle | np |
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| 20:32.12 | Chilaquiles | ok, but what can I do? |
| 20:32.14 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions tovid |
| 20:32.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tovid' was found in i386. |
| 20:32.26 | jrabbit | dondelelcaro: ah ok got it |
| 20:32.38 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: please do this >> apt-get update && apt-get install kde kde-data k3b-i18n << then try to launch it again |
| 20:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: Figure out what's wrong with your k3b and fix it. Start with aptitude update && aptitude -f install (as root) |
| 20:32.49 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: then go to your menu and try again |
| 20:32.52 | jrabbit | I thoguht it was an easy question to not allow it to change sudoers :P |
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| 20:33.50 | Chilaquiles | ompaul: same thing |
| 20:34.07 | aarcane | how can I force dpkg/apt-get/aptitude to accept that a package is properly configured when the configure script fails regularly. it's failing to start a service, which I've configured not to start (and ineed successful starting would be disastrous) and everything else is properly configured. |
| 20:34.08 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: or try jhutchins_lt method either way I would like you to copy the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list into http://paste.debian.net pelase |
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| 20:34.46 | aarcane | s/ineed/indeed/ |
| 20:34.53 | Chilaquiles | well, jhutchins_lt method doens't work at all |
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| 20:35.02 | Chilaquiles | it's very vague |
| 20:35.14 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: please do the pastebin |
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| 20:35.23 | Chilaquiles | he says figure out what the problem is, if I had a method to know that i wouldn't be here |
| 20:35.46 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: It's very specific, run the command aptitude update && aptitude -f install as root. If that "doesn't work" you need to explain what it did instead of working. |
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| 20:36.02 | jhutchins_lt | Chilaquiles: The pastebin is a good ideea too. |
| 20:36.06 | ompaul | Chilaquiles: please do the pastebin thing anyway either way |
| 20:36.18 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: I'd almost be that is where the problem lies :) |
| 20:36.28 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
| 20:36.29 | ompaul | I didn't say would, said almost. |
| 20:36.33 | Chilaquiles | hold on |
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| 20:37.04 | muneeb | is it OK to share '/home' between Ubuntu and Debian ? |
| 20:37.15 | Chilaquiles | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/129857/ |
| 20:37.19 | ompaul | muneeb: NO |
| 20:37.36 | ompaul | muneeb: data like music pictures yes home no |
| 20:38.15 | muneeb | ompaul: okay. I wanted to have configureations to be shared for .bash, tmux, vim etc |
| 20:38.17 | jhutchins_lt | muneeb: The problem is that different versions of the same program create different versions of their (hidden) config files resulting in unpredictable (but usually bad) operation. |
| 20:38.33 | peterrooney | muneeb: what jhutchins_lt said. Only louder. |
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| 20:38.41 | ompaul | muneeb: be careful very very careful one wrong move and you could have nastys going on |
| 20:38.49 | jhutchins_lt | Offs. Sid. Nevermind. |
| 20:38.51 | ompaul | muneeb: as the op said |
| 20:38.52 | aarcane | muneeb, depends on what you mean by OK and what your environments are. if you're using command-line only, you can probably get away with it, but the GUIs will definiately clash. |
| 20:39.04 | sylar | I installed the IRC server smuxi, but I can't find it, how do I find it? |
| 20:39.18 | sylar | or all the files that it has installed? |
| 20:39.27 | ompaul | oh crying out loud go when we find the problem why don't you |
| 20:39.32 | ompaul | arrrrrr |
| 20:39.42 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: cover me I'm going insane :) |
| 20:39.44 | muneeb | aarcane: ohhh!! yes I totally forgot about GUI.. gnome and unity and gnome classic will clash.. |
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| 20:39.59 | peterrooney | sylar: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | ompaul: We'll be here when you get back. |
| 20:40.07 | ompaul | thanks |
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| 20:40.24 | aarcane | muneeb, I have several debian and ubuntu systems sharing a /home, but it's ONLY bash, and vim, and a few other command line apps with compatible versions. |
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| 20:41.00 | ompaul | muneeb: and with bash 4 around the corner who knows what some random dev will stick in a config file "ohh good idea" kaboom |
| 20:41.16 | peterrooney | what's the generic term for control-S, control-C control-Q and so on, in context of xterm? |
| 20:41.22 | muneeb | okay then I'll have one common data partition |
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| 20:41.41 | ompaul | peterrooney: at one point they used to be called hot keys |
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| 20:41.54 | ompaul | peterrooney: but I don't know if that is still the case |
| 20:42.34 | muneeb | before going ahead which fs should I chose ext4 or ext3. and I have heard that VMs have issue with ext4 that's why asked! |
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| 20:42.42 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 20:43.01 | metalfan_ | is there no way to search with "apt-cache search" for installed packages only? |
| 20:43.11 | Iridos | ompaul, you can't say "NO" to that like this! |
| 20:43.19 | Iridos | it depends on what you regard as "ok" |
| 20:43.59 | Iridos | muneeb, backup and try... you'll see how much clashes you get |
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| 20:44.31 | Iridos | muneeb, I once shared between two debian systems, but then upgraded one but not the other and a lot of the kde symbols were gone :-/ |
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| 20:45.00 | muneeb | Iridos: I'm going with 'one common data partition' and each one having their own homes! |
| 20:45.06 | file-exists-p | anybody with a reasonnable understanding of hdparm ? |
| 20:45.22 | Iridos | !tell file-exists-p -about polls |
| 20:45.38 | jhutchins_lt | muneeb: command keys |
| 20:45.46 | jhutchins_lt | muneeb: They issue a system command. |
| 20:45.47 | file-exists-p | okay, the -S option (timeout for spindown) seems to be ignored |
| 20:45.58 | Iridos | muneeb, as you wish :) I'm just saying: works in principle, but you have to expect some breakage because of different versions of programs |
| 20:46.03 | file-exists-p | my disk is spinning down after 5s of inactivity, whatever the -S value |
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| 20:46.15 | jhutchins_lt | file-exists-p: That happens on some hardware. I believe hdparm can give you a list of available options for your hardware. |
| 20:46.30 | Iridos | ompaul, after all we used to share $HOME between irix, solaris and hp boxes... you can't tell me it's not possible between two linuxes! |
| 20:46.31 | muneeb | jhutchins_lt: what? didn't get what were you telling |
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| 20:47.18 | ompaul | Iridos: two cli boxes I'd almost approve, and in your case encourage it ;-) but for users who ask it's a no no - |
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| 20:47.28 | ompaul | ;-) |
| 20:47.34 | jhutchins_lt | muneeb: N'mind. Not sure who I was replying to. |
| 20:47.46 | muneeb | jhutchins_lt: ohk.. |
| 20:47.59 | DebianUserMark | will I get better performance on my intel wificard with testing than stable |
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| 20:48.28 | file-exists-p | jhutchins: hdparm -I does not list anything which seems to say if the timeout is supported |
| 20:48.29 | Iridos | ompaul, as I said... didn't have such a good experience with it... except you could call it "a great learning experience" :-P |
| 20:49.05 | file-exists-p | jhutchins: and also, what is the meaning of the parameter to -B ? the man page states lesser=more power management, less perf, and < 128 -> spindown. And that's it |
| 20:49.10 | muneeb | anybody want to give opinion on choosing ext4 and ext3? I'll be using VMs and I heard that VMs have issue with ext4 |
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| 20:49.25 | jhutchins_lt | DebianUserMark: No. |
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| 20:49.34 | jhutchins_lt | DebianUserMark: You will get broken packages to test for bugs. |
| 20:49.52 | qrq | Anyone got some experience with bootcd package? |
| 20:50.06 | DebianUserMark | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.06 | file-exists-p | (I am not the only pooling one here!) |
| 20:50.13 | file-exists-p | (polling even) |
| 20:50.14 | mah454 | How can i update man database ? |
| 20:50.28 | DebianUserMark | could anyone know why my wifi speed changes sometimes? |
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| 20:51.29 | DasEi | muneeb: I use ext4 fine in vbox, no issuses so far |
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| 20:51.47 | DasEi | issues* |
| 20:52.02 | jhutchins_lt | DebianUserMark: Solar Flares. |
| 20:52.05 | peterrooney | DebianUserMark: radio is a finicky beast at the best of times. Deeper magic than SCSI. Multipath, interference, neighbour down the block moving their refrigerator... |
| 20:52.31 | muneeb | DasEi: I'll be using VBox only.. then I'll go with ext4 |
| 20:52.54 | aarcane | how can I force dpkg/apt-get/aptitude to accept that a package is properly configured when the configure script fails regularly. it's failing to start a service, which I've configured not to start (and indeed successful starting would be disastrous) and everything else is properly configured. |
| 20:52.55 | DebianUserMark | But the speed doesn't rapiply change in windows |
| 20:52.57 | jhutchins_lt | DebianUserMark: http://www.spaceweather.com/ |
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| 20:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Which release? Which package? Which service? |
| 20:53.33 | DasEi | muneeb: use the vbox from their hp, if you want full usb-support and such, it's more extened than the one from the repo |
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| 20:53.54 | DebianUserMark | I don't think it has anything to to with solar flares???? |
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| 20:54.02 | qrq | I want to make installable copy of debian |
| 20:54.05 | DebianUserMark | becuase it's fine in windowas |
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| 20:54.13 | qrq | Without home files |
| 20:54.29 | qrq | How do it? :D |
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| 20:54.34 | aarcane | jhutchins_lt, it's actually an ubuntu release and a ppa package, but the dpkg, apt-get and aptitude question should have a generic answer here. I need something like dpkg --force-state=installed pkgname, but nothing exists in the manual. |
| 20:54.55 | bambanx | guys anyone can recommend me a good service for store files on the web , like ubuntu one but for debian ? |
| 20:55.00 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: No. |
| 20:55.22 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Just because the tools have the same name doesn't mean they work the same way or have the same options. |
| 20:55.43 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Niether is the service control system the same. |
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| 20:56.22 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: We could probably come up with an answer that would work in Debian and would totally screw your system. |
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| 20:56.53 | DasEi | bambanx: http://www.submitside.com/free_storage.html |
| 20:56.56 | jhutchins_lt | bambanx: Why not use the Ubuntu one? Google? Dropbox? |
| 20:57.09 | aarcane | jhutchins_lt, I cannot (policy wise) modify the service control system to allow the script to execute. I need to be able to override the package status, and ubuntu uses the apt and dpkg systems maintained by debian and it's developers. |
| 20:57.21 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: It doesn't atter. |
| 20:57.27 | bambanx | jhutchins, how i can install ubuntu one on my debian? |
| 20:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: No, they are not the debian packages. |
| 20:57.53 | jhutchins_lt | bambanx: Didn't realise it required software. |
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| 20:58.00 | vivid | anyone know how i can configure debian to allow me to connect to ssh using '<hostname>.local' over the network? |
| 20:58.06 | jhutchins_lt | bambanx: Why would we know how a Ubuntu service works? |
| 20:58.11 | aarcane | jhutchins_lt, if you don't know how to do it, just say so. quit giving me useless answers to hide your shame. |
| 20:58.32 | bambanx | jhutchins, lol you say me about ubuntu one |
| 20:58.37 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: That's not the issue, the issue is that Ubuntu is not Debian, and what works for one doesn't work for the other. |
| 20:58.42 | bambanx | jhutchins, forget thanks anyway |
| 20:58.46 | DasEi | bambanx: ubuntu has a soft for it, but you should be able to use it just via browser |
| 20:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | !ubuntu |
| 20:58.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:59.00 | qrq | Jesus.... |
| 20:59.14 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Yes? |
| 20:59.29 | qrq | Anyone can help me with making installable copy of my system excluding home files |
| 20:59.41 | Tametomo | Out of curiosity, with the multiarch changes in sid, is there a specific canonical way in which you would opt to install a different architecture through it? |
| 20:59.44 | itchi | vivid: Adjust your /etc/hosts file or run a DNS server like bind9 |
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| 20:59.54 | DasEi | hehe^ ; you could use dd and delete files in home afterward, qrq |
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| 21:00.24 | Tametomo | Say, for instance, you want to install an x86 instance or a x64 instance (and potentially later a x32 instance) or any specific combination of this. |
| 21:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: This is the system running from a live CD, not an installed system, correct? |
| 21:00.31 | vivid | itchi, how exactly would i adjust my /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:01.00 | itchi | vivid: ip some_computer.local |
| 21:01.19 | Tametomo | Of course, I wouldn't expect this to work without a reboot to a kernel built for that architecture, so I'm not looking at in-place replacement (that would be silly, IMO), but just what the new methods to support this would be, if they have been done yet or not. |
| 21:01.26 | aarcane | I'm asking for help with dpkg, in a generic sense. the developers (#debian) of dpkg will know how it works, regardless of what minor patches may have been applied by forks. APplication issue: go to developer. Packaging issue: go to distro. This is an application issue. there is no #deb, #dpkg, or #aptitude. |
| 21:01.31 | qrq | jhutchins_lt Its installed |
| 21:01.52 | jhutchins_lt | Did you look at that URL I posted to you earlier? |
| 21:02.27 | qrq | Which url? |
| 21:02.41 | DasEi | qrq: or do you want just the installed packages ? |
| 21:02.47 | DasEi | !clone |
| 21:02.47 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 21:03.12 | qrq | I want make installable version of my system |
| 21:03.18 | qrq | Without home files |
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| 21:03.20 | qrq | lol |
| 21:03.30 | qrq | Im repeating :D |
| 21:03.37 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183936 |
| 21:03.53 | qrq | Thanks |
| 21:04.02 | DasEi | qrq: you can use dd and clone your hardrive, then delete files in home, same way back on a third hd |
| 21:04.24 | qrq | dd? |
| 21:04.35 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: You can also search for "bootable backup". |
| 21:04.44 | qrq | DasEi I want install that copy on other PC |
| 21:04.51 | pushpop | HI all, how would I capture all udp traffic on port 5060 in debian. Sorry I'm a newb |
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| 21:05.12 | DasEi | qrq: you can do it that way |
| 21:05.37 | ompaul | qrq: identical hardware? dhcp? static IPs what? |
| 21:05.44 | qrq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:06.04 | qrq | ompaul I want make installable version of my system |
| 21:06.19 | qrq | To install it on other computers |
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| 21:06.30 | qrq | With all packages I got here |
| 21:06.32 | ompaul | qrq: I asked some questions, I note I got no answers |
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| 21:06.49 | ompaul | pushpop: why do you want to spy on sip? |
| 21:06.49 | qrq | Other hardware |
| 21:07.02 | qrq | And other IP |
| 21:07.04 | vivid | itchi, i got it, had to install avahi-daemon and libnss-mdns |
| 21:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | Hrm.... |
| 21:07.08 | JacobF | thanks so much kuznetzvo-afk and simonlnu, I got my files back! |
| 21:07.10 | ompaul | qrq: static? |
| 21:07.11 | pushpop | because my sip registration to flowroute stops for no reason |
| 21:07.13 | pushpop | wanna see why |
| 21:07.25 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Sorry, wrong link. |
| 21:07.25 | qrq | ompaul Yes |
| 21:07.36 | JacobF | later, now I can finish this song :) |
| 21:07.42 | ompaul | pushpop: so what you really want to do is run etherreal and use its filters to loko |
| 21:08.08 | bambanx | how can install dropbox on debian? |
| 21:08.14 | qrq | There is remastersys but it dont work well |
| 21:08.19 | Tametomo | For instance, let's say that what I mentioned isn't possible yet (somewhat likely due to it still being in development). As a user, it would be rather nice, IMO, if you could, say, do something like "apt-get arch add x86" or "apt-get arch remove x32" or so in order to add or remove architectures for which you want to install packages for. |
| 21:08.48 | Tametomo | Again, dunno if there's been any designs to get to this yet, it's mainly just a matter of curiosity at this point. |
| 21:09.09 | Iridos | aarcane, there is no such option. You are supposed to fix/remove the broken package in that case. You can /msg dpkg postrm |
| 21:09.21 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Have you read the docs for remastersys? |
| 21:09.24 | ompaul | qrq: so there are a couple of things that will break if you are doing static, and hardware perhaps you should look at installing over a gig network or something |
| 21:09.57 | jhutchins_lt | Tametomo: How would such a feature be useful? |
| 21:10.47 | Tametomo | Debian Sid is already working on multiarch support so that you can have multiple architectures installed at the same time without conflict. |
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| 21:10.57 | qrq | There is bootcd package , but its rather complicated :D |
| 21:11.42 | ompaul | qrq: so I would start here and think very long about what you want, it seems to me http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ under other images and then look at some scripting to add in the configs (/etc/skel) and packages |
| 21:11.43 | Tametomo | So it's not like it already isn't being worked on. The idea, from my understanding of it all is to allow for people to transition between different architectures, or to use the same image for multiple devices at once. |
| 21:11.54 | ompaul | qrq: what you want is not trivial |
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| 21:12.28 | qrq | It seems like I would have to install manually the same packages on 7 pc's :D |
| 21:12.39 | Tametomo | In fact, the reason for why Debian is going multiarch is listed here already: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/TheCaseForMultiarch |
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| 21:13.04 | gandhijee | hey how do i let a normal user shutdown the machine in XFCE? |
| 21:13.07 | Tametomo | I'm mainly just trying to wrap my head around what Debian is planning on doing which would expose it to the user. |
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| 21:13.23 | ompaul | qrq: or write a script from the first install, apt-get install X Y Z scp the packages from somewhere on the first machine and you will be faster |
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| 21:13.57 | qrq | Aptoncd :D |
| 21:14.01 | dokma | hey guyz, when I have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 aptitude is displaying weird characters. with LANG=en_US everything is ok. anyone knows anything about this??? |
| 21:14.12 | qrq | Is it good? |
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| 21:15.27 | aarcane | Iridos, thank you. Is there some config file or database I can manually edit to override the state? Unfortunately, local configuration overrides and necesity prevent me from removing the package, and I can't change the package maintainers script, I can only keep letting it try to configure and fail. |
| 21:15.40 | ompaul | qrq: from what you are telling me I'd do it this way, get a full dvd on a usb key, install it have a dvd with packages drop them onto the disks of the seven machines after the base copy across a /home and make owned by local users |
| 21:16.18 | ompaul | qrq: you have network use it - it will make your life a lot easier |
| 21:16.20 | Iridos | why can't you change the script? just edit it |
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| 21:16.37 | qrq | ompaul Ok thanks :) |
| 21:16.47 | Tametomo | I also think that when it comes to things like the proposed subarchitecture x32, having a way in which you could have multiple OS architectures to pull from or switch between would be rather advantageous under a multiarch solution. |
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| 21:17.15 | ompaul | qrq: get the second machine exactly right and the others will fly get a couple of usb keys and you'll fly though it |
| 21:17.25 | aarcane | Iridos, I hadn't configured that. will an init script get overwritten on update, or will my local changes persist? |
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| 21:19.10 | seb82 | how can I chroot into a arm-image installed with debootstrap? |
| 21:19.29 | Tametomo | Especially since in that case, if I am not mistaken, you are still going to be running an x64 kernel, just that some applications are going to use a thin architecture on top of it which only utilizes a subset of x64 in order to run more efficiently (so that apps which are not in need of 4 GB of RAM are not penalized by the extra wide pointers, and yet can still take advantage of the architecture improvements of x64 instead of having to fall back to usin |
| 21:19.30 | Tametomo | g a subset which doesn't make as much sense for it, like x86 support would) |
| 21:20.40 | Iridos | aarcane, that totally depends on the package... and now we've neatly reached the point where you see why this isn't a question for #debian :) |
| 21:21.54 | aarcane | Iridos, I see why at this point it becomes a question not for #debian, but for the package maintainer, whose mailing list I'm subscribed to :) |
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| 21:22.55 | Iridos | aarcane, it was from the first place... |
| 21:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: It was never a question for #debian |
| 21:23.12 | Iridos | was just going along to come to the point where you see it, too :-P |
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| 21:23.34 | aarcane | but now, where do I find the dpkg/dselect/apt/aptitude bug tracker ? |
| 21:23.38 | phajdan-jr | Hey guys, I'd like to send a few patches for the devscript project. What's the best way to do that? |
| 21:24.26 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: It's a proble with the package, not with Ubuntu's package management software, and certainly nothing to do with Debian bug tracking. |
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| 21:24.35 | ompaul | phajdan-jr: devscript? |
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| 21:25.00 | ompaul | phajdan-jr: devscripts ? |
| 21:25.01 | aarcane | Iridos, coincidentally, I know I would have identical issues using the same package on a debian server. I'm overriding the default init script with a custom one, so the default can't exit successfully durring the configure phase. |
| 21:25.13 | aarcane | jhutchins_lt, relax. I want to file a feature request. |
| 21:25.28 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Asking about it here is the same as asking about it in #centos |
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| 21:25.38 | Iridos | aarcane, only if you installed broken packages... which debian stable doesn't usually have |
| 21:25.43 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Ubuntu features are not the same as Debian features. |
| 21:25.58 | phajdan-jr | ompaul: yes |
| 21:26.08 | phajdan-jr | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=devscripts/devscripts.git |
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| 21:26.17 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: He isn't installing Debian packages at all, he's on Ubuntu. |
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| 21:26.51 | aarcane | jhutchins_lt, ubuntu pulls from debian before releases. if a feature gets into debian, ubuntu gets it as well. if a feature gets into ubuntu, it may or may not make it upstream to debian. as I use both and want to see this feature preasent in both, I intend to file a feature request with the primary developer of the dpkg suite. |
| 21:27.07 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, yeah... aware of it... |
| 21:27.18 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: You do not understand the process. |
| 21:27.28 | streuner_ | aarcane: we arent care much, we support Debian. |
| 21:27.38 | aarcane | facepalm. |
| 21:27.49 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Ubuntu does it's own thing with packages that have the same names. It's not a matter of upstream/downstream, it's a different stream altogether. |
| 21:28.21 | streuner_ | hm |
| 21:28.46 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Ubuntu is not just a modified version of Debian, it's a DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION! |
| 21:28.47 | visix6 | Hi, I'm not that aarcane guy from before. I want to file a feature request for debian's dpkg program for use with my debian systems! |
| 21:28.47 | Iridos | aarcane, you don't need to discuss this, we get stuff like that all the time... /msg dpkg ubuntu /msg dpkg they don't know ... and so on... this is just a themed channel with perhaps arbitrary rules to what is discussed and what not. anyway, you got your answer, so perhaps time to drop it |
| 21:29.12 | visix6 | how do I do that? |
| 21:29.33 | streuner_ | we need to end this discussion |
| 21:29.35 | jhutchins_lt | visix6: You go ask in Ubuntu. |
| 21:29.36 | Iridos | visix6, run "reportbug" |
| 21:29.53 | visix6 | Iridos, reportbug will let me file a feature request as well? |
| 21:29.59 | Iridos | yes |
| 21:30.00 | jhutchins_lt | visix6: Ubuntu is not just a modified version of Debian, it's a DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION! |
| 21:30.02 | ompaul | phajdan-jr: perhaps you should look here and contact a person or two http://packages.debian.org/sid/devscripts |
| 21:30.04 | visix6 | thank you Iridos :) |
| 21:30.15 | Iridos | so perhaps we can drop it now? |
| 21:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: You really shouldn't encourage his confusion. |
| 21:30.50 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, he asked a debian question, he gets a debian answer... not my fault if it turns out to be useless for him |
| 21:30.59 | phajdan-jr | ompaul: thank you, I'm going to e-mail pkg-devscripts e-mail list; or should I file a bug? |
| 21:31.07 | Tametomo | So... at least for me, I'm guessing that #debian-next might be more appropriate? (just asking because it was my understanding that both sid and release were generally discussed here, but I just noticed this in the topic) |
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| 21:31.30 | ompaul | phajdan-jr: file as feature requests to the list or try to find them in an irc channel |
| 21:31.33 | ompaul | those on that list |
| 21:31.39 | streuner_ | Iridos: well, he running *bunt*... |
| 21:31.42 | poi | all. hi all |
| 21:32.11 | jhutchins_lt | Tametomo: You get a higher concentration of people who do testing on wheezy/sid there. |
| 21:32.23 | aarcane | streuner_, not all of us have homogenous environments. I have a handfull of both debian and ubuntu systems. |
| 21:32.34 | ompaul | Tametomo: #debian-next may be useful for you on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:33.03 | Tametomo | Yeah, just transitioning now. ;) |
| 21:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | aarcane: Ubuntu is not just a modified version of Debian, it's a DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION! |
| 21:33.06 | streuner_ | aarcane: see, iam running only Debian packages, thats a difference... |
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| 21:33.16 | phajdan-jr | ompaul: okay, thank you |
| 21:33.18 | qrq | Can I rm -R all my /home/name? |
| 21:33.27 | qrq | And login later? |
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| 21:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: No. |
| 21:33.39 | ompaul | qrq: no you will need a /home/name |
| 21:33.46 | qrq | So what I need to leave |
| 21:33.51 | Iridos | aarcane, if the feature request involves a --force command, that's very unlikely to be ever included. |
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| 21:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: You could if you had root login enabled and re-created (restored from backup) the users. |
| 21:34.09 | poi | who to create live iso with squashfs? |
| 21:34.09 | HardDisk_WP | how do I allow user foo to become user bar? |
| 21:34.11 | qrq | I mean can I remove all whats in that folder |
| 21:34.15 | ompaul | aarcane: --force makes kittens die and puppies cry and you don't want that trust me you don't |
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| 21:34.45 | qrq | Or tell me what I need to leave :) |
| 21:34.54 | qrq | What folders |
| 21:35.03 | ompaul | qrq: in theory yes but not while you are logged in as you that would be bad also use root to remove your /tmp files if you leave any behind you you need /home/qrq |
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| 21:35.49 | qrq | OK but what directories in /home/qrq I can delete |
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| 21:35.51 | ompaul | qrq: you looked like you knew what you were doing - I suggest a little time setting up three new users mess around with their settings |
| 21:36.22 | ompaul | qrq: in theory all and the next time you log in you have NO SETTINGS so you need to set up lots |
| 21:36.33 | qrq | OK |
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| 21:36.54 | qrq | ompaul But gnome will work? :D |
| 21:37.32 | qrq | ompaul I just want to delete all my user settings |
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| 21:37.55 | ompaul | qrq: I told you it will, and you long in again and set EVERYTHING up again yourself |
| 21:38.01 | qrq | OK |
| 21:38.06 | qrq | I will check |
| 21:38.20 | ompaul | qrq: I also told you to look at /etc/skel and you really need to understand how that could be of use to you |
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| 21:38.27 | Iridos | HardDisk_WP, /etc/sudoers probably.. I never did that. There's a manpage for it you can see with "man sudoers" |
| 21:38.27 | qrq | rm -R to all folders in my home dir |
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| 21:38.45 | ompaul | qrq: are you a bot stuck in a loop? I told you already. |
| 21:38.49 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: That's really not a good idea. |
| 21:38.55 | ompaul | jhutchins_lt: he has been advised |
| 21:39.07 | qrq | My English is rusty |
| 21:39.11 | qrq | Sorry |
| 21:39.13 | Iridos | HardDisk_WP, and which I'm not goint to read now :) I _think_ you can do that with it, and browsing through the manpage seems to suggest it does |
| 21:39.20 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
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| 21:40.02 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Perhaps you should consider sleeping and looking at this question with a fresh mind tomorrow. |
| 21:40.10 | qrq | Gee |
| 21:40.40 | qrq | So what I should delete :D |
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| 21:40.56 | ompaul | qrq: I told uyou, read about /etc/skel |
| 21:41.07 | qrq | All dir with dots on beginnig? :D |
| 21:41.10 | qrq | Ok :) |
| 21:41.16 | ompaul | qrq: you have no real justification for deleting your home directory |
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| 21:41.36 | ompaul | qrq: you are trying to do something you don't understand |
| 21:41.45 | ompaul | qrq: NEVER a good thing. |
| 21:42.07 | qrq | My /etc/skel is empty :D |
| 21:42.12 | aarcane | qrq, in general you can rm -rf /home/yourname/./ but not /home/yourname/ because the latter removes the directory which is mandatory, whereas the former empties the directory, which is acceptable. |
| 21:42.40 | Iridos | err, what? |
| 21:42.45 | Iridos | those two are equivalent |
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| 21:42.56 | qrq | I will just make new user..... |
| 21:43.01 | qrq | :D |
| 21:43.04 | Iridos | . points to the same directory you're in |
| 21:43.14 | aarcane | Iridos, nope. you can never rm . even with -f. |
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| 21:43.33 | qrq | In sudoers |
| 21:43.42 | qrq | Group |
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| 21:44.42 | Iridos | aarcane, right, just tried it out. So rm -rf dir/. (or dir/./) returns an error and doesn't remove anything |
| 21:45.37 | jhutchins_lt | Iridos: Perhaps you were thinking /home/qdr/.* - but that wants to remove . and .. as well. |
| 21:45.58 | streuner_ | abrotman: what is that good for? |
| 21:46.12 | aPpYe | is there a way to make the update-manager program always default to a dist-upgrade every time the notification icon is clicked? |
| 21:46.19 | abrotman | streuner_: i'm invading germany |
| 21:46.20 | aarcane | You're right. but you can't rm *, it leaves dotfiles. * .* might work, but omits ..files, which while rare can occur. it should be fine in most cases. |
| 21:46.28 | aPpYe | I don't like the prompt about "safe upgrade" |
| 21:46.29 | qrq | How long can took expert to open crypted home directory? :) |
| 21:47.48 | aarcane | qrq, depends on the strength of your password and key and if they've managed to (partially) compromise either. brute force attacks are rare, but if they've managed to sniff or phish your password, they can get it in minutes. |
| 21:47.56 | jelly-home | qrq: depends on how much torture you can endure. |
| 21:48.03 | Iridos | jhutchins_lt, not me, him! I said those are equivalent because . always points back to the same.. (well, which it does, but indeed you cannot remove .) |
| 21:48.16 | streuner_ | abrotman: the romans tried, and they failed... |
| 21:48.21 | jelly-home | qrq: usually about 5 minutes |
| 21:48.24 | abrotman | eh ... they didn't |
| 21:48.27 | qrq | Without password |
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| 21:49.28 | ompaul | qrq: depends on who wants to get the password from you |
| 21:49.33 | qrq | 5 minutes to resolve password? |
| 21:49.43 | ompaul | qrq: with a gun 10 seconds? |
| 21:49.49 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, I can't think of anybody who tried invading Germany and didn't succeed. |
| 21:49.59 | qrq | ... |
| 21:50.27 | aarcane | Iridos, I realize my mistake. cp /test1/./ /test2/ copies contents of test1 to test2, whereas cp /test1/ /test2/ copies the folder test1 into test2. |
| 21:50.37 | ompaul | qrq: you haven't laid down any rules for how or why I or someone else might want that data |
| 21:50.37 | qrq | I was asking seriously |
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| 21:50.51 | qrq | It doesnt matter |
| 21:51.08 | qrq | I dont ask about human causes |
| 21:51.17 | jelly-home | qrq: rubber-hose cryptanalysis is a serious method. |
| 21:51.39 | jelly-home | used in real-life situations! http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/10/rubber_hose_cry.html |
| 21:51.46 | qrq | I ask how long it take to open crypted partition without knowing password |
| 21:51.59 | qrq | For experts |
| 21:52.01 | DasEi | aarcane: you missed the recursive option and generally rsync is much nicer for biger file/folder moving / copying |
| 21:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: It depends on who wants to open it and how badly they want it. |
| 21:52.17 | qrq | Lets say FBI |
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| 21:52.31 | aarcane | qrq, might as well not be encrypted. |
| 21:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Also depends on how you encrypted it. |
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| 21:52.48 | ompaul | qrq: or CIA want to visit a little prison on some forgotten island? |
| 21:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: Anything can be cracked given enough time and resources. |
| 21:53.43 | qrq | With default debian encryption |
| 21:53.44 | qrq | :D |
| 21:53.45 | ompaul | qrq: there is no one answer, the bottom line is, if someone wants it badly enough they will get it. The human is the weakest link in the chain, click on this please http://www.debian.org and so on |
| 21:53.59 | aarcane | qrq, if the government wants it, they won't ask twice. if you don't open it up for them on the first request, you'll simply disappear never to be heard from or seen again. |
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| 21:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: When it comes to governent agencies, you can assume that they have infinite time and resources. |
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| 21:54.32 | qrq | OK :) |
| 21:54.35 | qrq | But how long :D |
| 21:54.41 | ompaul | qrq: you indicate that english is rusty, therefore one has to wonder why this question THERE IS NO ONE ANSWER |
| 21:54.51 | jelly-home | qrq: that question is irrelevant |
| 21:54.52 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: There's no specific answer. |
| 21:55.01 | qrq | OK |
| 21:55.04 | jhutchins_lt | qrq: The answer is "it depends". |
| 21:55.14 | ompaul | qrq: what he said |
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| 21:55.48 | qrq | But home partition on debian is in default encrypted yes? |
| 21:55.50 | aarcane | qrq, a sufficiently desparate expert could get in in under 5 minutes. a poor fool could stumble in in 30 seconds, or the government with infinite resources could never crack it. |
| 21:55.52 | ompaul | no |
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| 21:56.18 | qrq | Oops :D |
| 21:56.40 | ompaul | qrq: this is not IM you don't need a smiley at the end of every line. |
| 21:56.51 | qrq | I know |
| 21:57.04 | qrq | I shouldnt smile here? |
| 21:57.52 | abrotman | ompaul: why not? :( |
| 21:58.11 | abrotman | ompaul: at least he's not @ompaul .. |
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| 21:58.52 | ompaul | abrotman: cos it detracts from when it would be effective, its as bad as the monotone I'm droning on with at this time. }:-> |
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| 21:59.24 | jelly-home | nice moustache, weird hat |
| 21:59.27 | ompaul | abrotman: that would have gotten don't do that a lot faster - but for every question to get no and be asked again with a smiley ... not good |
| 21:59.44 | ompaul | jelly-home: evil grin I believe |
| 21:59.44 | icarious | abrotman: hello. sh4d3sl4y3r_ here :D. |
| 22:00.05 | jelly-home | congrats on your saner nickname |
| 22:00.19 | ompaul | shades layer _ does not make sense |
| 22:00.20 | abrotman | icarious: i don't believe you .. what have you done with shadeslayer_ ? |
| 22:00.21 | icarious | jelly-home: ya. got complaints regarding the leet speak |
| 22:00.35 | abrotman | hardly l33t .. |
| 22:00.38 | icarious | abrotman: got over the leet speak :S |
| 22:00.51 | ompaul | hardly speak |
| 22:00.56 | abrotman | isn't sure icarious is any better .. but okay! |
| 22:01.01 | icarious | :P |
| 22:01.13 | ompaul | fear your own name? |
| 22:01.24 | icarious | i was planning for Jizzy which is my gaming alias. but thought i would get kicked out |
| 22:01.25 | icarious | :P |
| 22:01.56 | icarious | ompaul: my own name is asian. so it would make no sense! |
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| 22:02.32 | ompaul | icarious: you never know |
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| 22:04.59 | aPpYe | so is there a way to make the update manager *not* prompt me for the safe upgrade option? I want it to always default to "no" or a dist-upgrade |
| 22:05.55 | ompaul | aPpYe: use the CLI it will do it the way you want when you want |
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| 22:08.19 | aPpYe | ompaul, yeah, but this is for other users. I do not want to do it that way. |
| 22:08.45 | aPpYe | I see it is update-notifier that is running, not update-manager |
| 22:09.29 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: Hey thanks for that BPO link yesterday, now working PERFECLY!! |
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| 22:09.55 | qrq | I made new user with administrative rights in sudoers group but it wont mount ntfs partitions |
| 22:11.09 | Iridos | o/ |
| 22:11.11 | zykotick9_ | qrq, be sure they're a member of plugdev as well |
| 22:11.22 | Iridos | chrisjunkie, that was the broadcom? |
| 22:11.36 | qrq | zykotick9 It is |
| 22:11.52 | qrq | Maybe I should reboot? |
| 22:11.52 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: yeah it was… fixed in the later kernel obviously |
| 22:11.55 | jhutchins | doesn't understand why someone would run Linux and refuse to use it's most powerful feature. |
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| 22:12.18 | jhutchins | aPpYe: If you want a menu driven GUI to offer you different options, recompile it yourself. |
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| 22:13.04 | chrisjunkie | Iridos: so yeah thanks again. my saviour at the 11th hour XD |
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| 22:14.10 | qrq | Rebooting kernel solved it :) |
| 22:14.13 | aPpYe | jhutchins, so no options for this then? |
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| 22:15.00 | icarious | well is there any alternative website for kernel.org now that is compromised and down for maintenance |
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| 22:15.22 | abrotman | icarious: the kernel is mirrored all over |
| 22:15.24 | zykotick9_ | icarious, i believe github has much of the stuff |
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| 22:16.03 | icarious | abrotman, zykotick9_ : thanks . |
| 22:16.17 | abrotman | icarious: even some of the Debian mirrors have it |
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| 22:18.00 | Boulet | PRIVMSG |
| 22:18.22 | mfridh | Anyone else using iwlagn for an Intel wireless card and having stability issues? (Thinkpad X220 Intel Advanced-N 6205 AGN) |
| 22:19.37 | abrotman | mfridh: define stability issues |
| 22:19.41 | Boulet | : Ola ! |
| 22:19.43 | jaakkos | for some reason i have RTL8188CE in my X220 which is totally crap. ordered the Ultimate-N 6300... |
| 22:19.54 | Boulet | Ola ! |
| 22:20.07 | Boulet | Ola ! |
| 22:20.10 | mfridh | abrotman: "deauthenticated from xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx (Reason: 7)" |
| 22:20.12 | mfridh | for example |
| 22:20.12 | abrotman | mfridh: i have a 5300 with some weirdness, but i blame network-manager |
| 22:20.16 | icarious | Boulet: Ola |
| 22:20.18 | abrotman | mfridh: yeah, i see that sometimes ... |
| 22:20.23 | mfridh | disconnections, dropping connection, very unstable. |
| 22:20.27 | mfridh | almost unusable at times |
| 22:20.35 | jaakkos | i truly hope this is not x220 issue |
| 22:20.36 | abrotman | mfridh: that said .. the driver does tell me it wants newer firmware .. which my lazy ass hasn't gotten yet |
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| 22:21.05 | icarious | i wonder if there is a way to give pidgin more priority in bandwidth, so that torrents wont disconnect it. |
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| 22:21.23 | abrotman | stop downloading so much |
| 22:21.31 | mfridh | I installed from iwlagn 0000:03:00.0: loaded firmware version 17.168.5.1 build 33993 |
| 22:21.33 | abrotman | "Doctor, it hurts when I ..." |
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| 22:21.55 | mfridh | and I only now realized I could've used an mSATA drive in this computer |
| 22:21.59 | Boulet | : Ola ! |
| 22:22.00 | icarious | abrotman: i watch a lot of good movies. though not in a frigging legit way :P |
| 22:22.13 | abrotman | icarious: don't care .. use some self-control .. download slower |
| 22:22.22 | mfridh | instead I'm running an old 80G x25-m ssd... which can barely fit a few of my VMs. |
| 22:22.43 | jaakkos | mfridh: are you having the fan noise problem btw |
| 22:23.26 | jaakkos | or occasional jumping touchpad when plugged to AC adapter? |
| 22:23.34 | mfridh | jaakkos: not really.. the fan is slightly noisier than I hoped (louder than my old T60) but it doesn't sound like anything's wrong with it. |
| 22:23.53 | mfridh | not yet on the touchpad... but the touchpad is pretty crappy actually |
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| 22:24.00 | icarious | between Python and C which will be a better startup language for an absolute code noob? |
| 22:24.05 | mfridh | no way I can make a still click on the touchpad buttons |
| 22:24.20 | mfridh | the pointer is always twitching. so I use 100% the little red thingy |
| 22:24.37 | mfridh | icarious: I think python |
| 22:24.47 | jaakkos | mfridh: twitching sounds like the jumpy problem |
| 22:25.11 | mfridh | it's twitching because I've got my finger on the pad I think |
| 22:25.15 | jaakkos | mfridh: for me it appears only when plugged to AC. if you hold a single finger still on the pad, you should see it |
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| 22:25.35 | DebianUserMark | Hello everyone I have something to share. For soem reason my wifi has been working better since I got wicd is this normal? |
| 22:25.39 | mfridh | jaakkos: let me plug in and see |
| 22:25.49 | abrotman | DebianUserMark: it might be, different tools have different results |
| 22:26.09 | jaakkos | mfridh: also note that it doesn't always happen when plugged to ac - it comes and goes. with batt, it apparently never happens. this is also what others are reporting on the forum |
| 22:26.43 | mfridh | jaakkos: what forum are you frequenting? |
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| 22:27.05 | mfridh | I didn't have a single issue with my old T60, so I never frequented any forum :) |
| 22:27.08 | jaakkos | but the fan whine is bigger problem for me (the topic is incorrect for this thread http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/X-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/X220-fan-constantly-on-revving-up-and-down/td-p/425965/highlight/false) |
| 22:27.33 | abrotman | jaakkos: do you have a Debian problem? |
| 22:27.39 | mfridh | btw, I installed my squeeze from this, Kenshi Mutos backported d-i images: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:27.39 | jaakkos | well i never had any problem with my X60s which travelled with me to around 10 countries during 4-5 years |
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| 22:28.02 | mfridh | jaakkos: kernel 2.6.39-bpo.2-amd64 |
| 22:28.12 | jaakkos | so i'm a bit disappointed with the X220, gotta say - also the 7,5mm disk bay is a terrible thing |
| 22:28.34 | jaakkos | i wanted ssd so i had to buy intel 320 160GB _without_ warranty because the spacer needed to be removed for it to fit |
| 22:29.22 | mfridh | yeah I removed mine too |
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| 22:29.48 | mfridh | felt weird just shoving the drive in without any screws or anything. just the rubber edges which wedged the casing together in the hard drive slot |
| 22:30.08 | mfridh | jaakkos: like i said, got an x25-m 80G |
| 22:30.09 | jaakkos | mfridh: Debian testing, 3.1.0-rc5 |
| 22:30.37 | mfridh | now I realized I should have went for an Intel 310 series mSATA 40GB instead |
| 22:30.43 | mfridh | and kept the 320 G drive |
| 22:30.51 | mfridh | because I'm going to run out of space any day |
| 22:30.52 | icarious | !offtopic |
| 22:30.53 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 22:32.14 | Ricoshady | i see a package using apt-cache search, but it doesnt say what version the application is |
| 22:32.17 | mfridh | jaakkos: the only theory I have about the deauthentication is that it's some sort of power saving issue |
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| 22:32.36 | abrotman | Ricoshady: apt-cache policy foo |
| 22:33.39 | jaakkos | mfridh: i have multiple issues with Realtek RTL8188CE, don't know why my X220 has that one but i'm looking forward to the Ultimate-N |
| 22:33.47 | jaakkos | mfridh: the issues are: |
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| 22:35.29 | jaakkos | mrmist: signal strength is essentially useless - all strength values are in 3-4% range eg. 80-84%. assoc, auth. and direct probes very often get lost unless the station is EXTREMELY near. with ping, RTT may suddenly jump to tens of seconds and reconnection to AP is necessary. |
| 22:35.45 | TrueDD | Good night everybody |
| 22:36.40 | mfridh | jaakkos: sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off <--- I just did this and immediately, things feel better |
| 22:37.04 | jaakkos | all of these issues have appeared on various kernels up to 3.1.0+rc5 starting from .38, and all issues are present with a handful of different APs. |
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| 22:38.25 | jaakkos | mfridh: actually my card doesn't even support power management |
| 22:38.37 | mfridh | ok |
| 22:38.51 | mfridh | I guess time will tell if this really fixes it... but I feel hopeful |
| 22:39.03 | jaakkos | well it's realtek. costs nothing but the quality and features is what it is |
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| 22:39.40 | mfridh | i hear ya... had a few rtl's over the years |
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| 22:42.37 | MrRoy | abrotman: Are you there? I'm not sure why, but after reinstalling (and this time without GNOME), I have the same problem as yesterday, which is my netmask being 255.255.255.255 by default. |
| 22:43.17 | jaakkos | mfridh: did you say you had to remove spacers too? |
| 22:43.31 | jaakkos | was this from x25-m |
| 22:43.36 | mfridh | jaakkos: yeah, the black frame on top of x25-m |
| 22:43.42 | jaakkos | yeah that one |
| 22:43.49 | MrRoy | abrotman: Went into /etc/network/interfaces, it was configured for WEP, I made it for WPA2. When after ifdown then ifup wlan0, it tried to use 255.255.255.255. I replaced the "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" line by "iface wlan0 inet static" and made it use 255.255.255.0 but this time I get "SIOCDELRT: No such process" |
| 22:43.58 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy: So set it correctly. |
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| 22:44.12 | jaakkos | haha, i don't even want to know how much lenovo charges for X220-qualified intel SSD _with warranty_ |
| 22:44.29 | jaakkos | obviously it must have warranty if you buy it from lenovo |
| 22:44.49 | jaakkos | but apparently otherwise it is impossible to have warranty. |
| 22:44.49 | MrRoy | jhutchins_lt: I believe I did. But when I do I get that SIOCDELRT error |
| 22:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy: Sounds like the DHCP server may not be configured correctly. |
| 22:44.58 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy: In response to what? |
| 22:45.14 | abrotman | MrRoy: hiya! |
| 22:45.25 | abrotman | MrRoy: is your network dhcp? have you checked your router? |
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| 22:45.33 | MrRoy | jhutchins_lt: In response to ifup wlan0 |
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| 22:45.51 | jaakkos | mfridh: did you have to modify the screws? |
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| 22:45.56 | MrRoy | abrotman: Hi, my network uses DHCP, but the other computers connected to it have no problem with that |
| 22:46.54 | abrotman | jaakkos: do you have a DEBIAN question? |
| 22:47.39 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy: Post your interfaces file. |
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| 22:47.48 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy: to pastebin! |
| 22:48.00 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: he has no network .. |
| 22:48.06 | MrRoy | jhutchins_lt: I'll have to rewrite it manually, so give me a moment |
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| 22:49.57 | MrRoy | jhutchins_lt, abrotman: http://pastebin.com/27RKMxiM |
| 22:50.40 | MrRoy | jhutchins_lt, abrotman: And this is when I make it for DHCP : http://pastebin.com/1HVVX5q2 |
| 22:50.43 | abrotman | that should bve "auto wlan0" |
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| 22:51.07 | MrRoy | abrotman: No iface? The debian wiki has the iface in the example |
| 22:51.22 | abrotman | huh? |
| 22:51.26 | abrotman | the line above the iface line |
| 22:51.28 | MrRoy | abrotman: Or do you mean on the line auto? make it "auto wlan0"? If so do I leave the other wlan0 on the second line? |
| 22:51.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:52.06 | mfridh | jaakkos: I didn't reattach the screws, I just put back the rubber casings and showed the drive in the slot. the case is solidly wedged in place |
| 22:52.28 | abrotman | mfridh: jaakkos please take this to msg .. or #debian-offtopic, just out of this channel |
| 22:52.30 | MrRoy | abrotman: If I try ifdown wlan0 to restart it I get "ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured" |
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| 22:53.18 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy: line 9 does nothing, it needs wlan0 added to the end. |
| 22:53.26 | mfridh | sorry abrotman, it was an extension of problems with iwlagn/rtl and we're probably done now |
| 22:53.49 | jhutchins_lt | MrRoy: That says "start wlan0 automatically". The next part says "use these settings for wlan0". |
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| 22:54.11 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: we already covered that .. keep up |
| 22:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: He seemed in doubt. |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | read again |
| 22:54.41 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 22:54.58 | MrRoy | jhutchins_lt, abrotman: Could I have the wireless-tools package and not wpasupplicant? |
| 22:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: you don't have to call me that here. |
| 22:55.12 | abrotman | MrRoy: does your wireless work at all? |
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| 22:55.24 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: you are so far from godliness it's not funny |
| 22:55.36 | jhutchins_lt | Well, it is to me. |
| 22:55.42 | MrRoy | abrotman: On my tower or at all? The laptop I'm using right now is connected to it |
| 22:56.02 | abrotman | MrRoy: did you change your interfaces file yet? |
| 22:56.25 | MrRoy | abrotman: To add the wlan0 line after auto? |
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| 22:57.11 | jaakkos | DebianUserMark: wifi in wicd works better for me too, that's why i switched from network-manager. |
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| 22:59.30 | abrotman | MrRoy: yes .. to add that part of the line |
| 22:59.52 | MrRoy | abrotman: Yes, I did that |
| 23:00.13 | abrotman | MrRoy: reboot, no change? |
| 23:01.07 | MrRoy | abrotman: doesn't ifdown wlan0, then ifup wlan0 does the same as reboot? |
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| 23:01.34 | abrotman | MrRoy: you tell me ... |
| 23:02.52 | MrRoy | abrotman: I'm unable to ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:03.06 | abrotman | after doing what? |
| 23:03.23 | MrRoy | abrotman: is 192.168.0.1 the address or gateway? (Sorry as I said yesterday I'm french and not used to all network terms) |
| 23:03.50 | abrotman | MrRoy: check on your other machine? |
| 23:04.29 | MrRoy | abrotman: It's in french, but the way I set it up (as you can see on the pastebin) is as I think it is, the address being the computer's address, and the gateway the router's address |
| 23:04.35 | MrRoy | abrotman: But I'm unable to ping anyone |
| 23:04.44 | abrotman | MrRoy: on your working machine? is it windows? linux? |
| 23:05.04 | MrRoy | abrotman: This laptop is running windows |
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| 23:05.32 | abrotman | MrRoy: open a 'cmd' window, and type "ipconfig" .. should show your Gateway |
| 23:05.53 | MrRoy | abrotman: Yes, I did that, but as I said it's in french, and I'm not sure of the translation |
| 23:06.25 | MrRoy | abrotman: But I'm pretty sure it's configured correctly. |
| 23:06.38 | abrotman | MrRoy: i'm asking you what the gateway is :) |
| 23:06.42 | abrotman | on the windows side |
| 23:07.19 | MrRoy | abrotman: I believe it's 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:07.30 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 23:07.38 | abrotman | MrRoy: FWIW, we do have french channels that are semi-helpful :) |
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| 23:08.19 | MrRoy | abrotman: It's probably the only terms I'm unsure of, and french places to get help are usually not-so-helpful |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | les quebecois sont sales! |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | MrRoy: okay |
| 23:08.52 | abrotman | MrRoy: so, have you restarted your system? have you verified you have the wpasupplicant package installed? |
| 23:09.15 | MrRoy | abrotman: I have restarted the system, but I don't know if the wpasupplicant package got installed |
| 23:09.31 | MrRoy | I thought debian installed it automatically when it had an internet connection during the installation |
| 23:09.44 | abrotman | MrRoy: dpkg -l "wpa*" |
| 23:10.14 | MrRoy | abrotman: No match. I guess we found the problem |
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| 23:10.24 | abrotman | MrRoy: that's part of the issue .. |
| 23:10.34 | abrotman | MrRoy: do you have a USB drive that you can use to transfer the packages? |
| 23:10.39 | abrotman | MrRoy: i386 or amd64? |
| 23:10.56 | MrRoy | abrotman: Is 512mb enough? |
| 23:10.56 | abrotman | yes, quite |
| 23:11.08 | MrRoy | abrotman: and amd64 |
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| 23:11.23 | abrotman | MrRoy: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wpasupplicant/wpasupplicant_0.6.10-2.1_amd64.deb |
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| 23:11.37 | abrotman | save it to your usb drive, then we'll work on mounting it on the other system |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/wpasupplicant/wpasupplicant_0.6.10-2.1_amd64.deb .. or that for the frenchman! |
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| 23:14.10 | MrRoy | abrotman: Done, I plugged the drive into my tower too. |
| 23:14.39 | abrotman | MrRoy: is it fat32? |
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| 23:14.50 | MrRoy | abrotman: NTFS |
| 23:14.57 | abrotman | ugh .. |
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| 23:15.17 | MrRoy | abrotman: Well I could format it and make it fat32 |
| 23:15.17 | abrotman | well, let's try .. |
| 23:15.43 | abrotman | MrRoy: type 'dmesg' .. does it have like an 'sdb' or anything toward the end? |
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| 23:16.20 | MrRoy | abrotman: SDC? |
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| 23:16.41 | abrotman | okay .. we'll try that .. type 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' .. how many does it spit out ? |
| 23:16.46 | MrRoy | abrotman: SDA is my windows partition, SDB is my debian one, so it must be SDc |
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| 23:17.40 | MrRoy | abrotman: Only one. "/dev/sdc1 * start: 1 end:63, blocks: 503744 id: 7 system: HPFS/NTFS |
| 23:18.17 | abrotman | MrRoy: 'mkdir /tmp/usbdrive/ && mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /tmp/usbdrive/' .. let me know when it's done or the error it spits |
| 23:19.25 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:19.30 | MrRoy | abrotman: It gives some errors: "NTFS-fs error: load_system_files(): $LogFile is not clean. Mounting read-only. Mount in Windows." |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 23:19.44 | abrotman | we only want read-only .. |
| 23:20.06 | abrotman | MrRoy: "cd /tmp/usbdrive/ ; ls" .. do you see the package? |
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| 23:20.37 | MrRoy | abrotman: yep |
| 23:20.49 | abrotman | MrRoy: "dpkg -i *.deb" .. any errors? |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | are you sure you don't have a wire you can plug in? :) |
| 23:21.35 | MrRoy | "Errors were encountered while processing: wpasupplicant" |
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| 23:21.46 | abrotman | missing packages, or sometihng else? |
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| 23:22.58 | abrotman | MrRoy: ? |
| 23:23.07 | MrRoy | abrotman: that's the last line, but other lines say "Package X is not installed". or "dpkg: error processing wpasupplicant (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured) |
| 23:23.29 | abrotman | MrRoy: right, so you'll have to get thos epackages too .. which ones is it complaining about? |
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| 23:24.09 | MrRoy | abrotman: libdbus-1-3, libnl1, libpcsclite1 |
| 23:24.37 | abrotman | ugh .. you're going to have to go to packages.debian.org, get them all, then try again .. |
| 23:24.40 | abrotman | might take a few cycles |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wpasupplicant ... start there |
| 23:24.56 | abrotman | you'll see links to the other packages .. grab those three, then try again |
| 23:25.04 | MrRoy | abrotman: Ok |
| 23:25.26 | bambanx | how i can connect a pendrive on my debian ? |
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| 23:28.30 | gthing | My computer is hanging at where it says "Configuring MTA: exim4" What should I do besides reformat |
| 23:28.34 | gthing | Edit the bootup script to remove MTA? |
| 23:28.40 | gthing | How do I solve my problem |
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| 23:29.52 | MrRoy | abrotman: The last line was "Processing triggers for man-db ..." after installing the libs. Does that mean it did it successfully? |
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| 23:30.58 | abrotman | MrRoy: does it have an error ? |
| 23:31.08 | abrotman | gthing: hit ctrl-c ? |
| 23:31.15 | gthing | Pressing Ctrl+C Doesn't work |
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| 23:31.44 | MrRoy | abrotman: I didn't see any |
| 23:31.46 | abrotman | gthing: hold it in a bit :) |
| 23:31.54 | abrotman | MrRoy: apt-get -f install .. does it complain ? |
| 23:32.28 | bozospaw | Hi, Apache's log file on my server growed up to 22GB. I've tried changing logrotate settings and adding size=+2048M but (after reload) nothing changed. What could be the problem? |
| 23:32.37 | MrRoy | abrotman: Nope, but it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" |
| 23:32.50 | MrRoy | abrotman: So I believe it haven't installed them? |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | MrRoy: reboot? |
| 23:33.05 | abrotman | bozospaw: reload of what? |
| 23:33.19 | bozospaw | abrotman, apache |
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| 23:33.39 | abrotman | bozospaw: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate .. does that do anything ? |
| 23:34.26 | bozospaw | abrotman, It seems that it rereads logrotade.conf only |
| 23:34.42 | abrotman | it should rotate logs |
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| 23:35.10 | abrotman | bozospaw: can you pastebin your /etc/logrotate/logrotate.d/apache ? |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | sorry, /etc/logrotate.d/apache or apache2 .. whatever it is now |
| 23:35.46 | MrRoy | abrotman: Well it worked. I just pinged google and received an answer! Thanks a lot! |
| 23:35.57 | abrotman | MrRoy: enjoy .. good luck! |
| 23:36.08 | bozospaw | abrotman, http://pastebin.me/420b315ead650cd78a2ad027e3009bf6 |
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| 23:37.07 | abrotman | bozospaw: i don't think you want the + sign ? |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | (also, you can just say 2G) |
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| 23:38.18 | bozospaw | abrotman, I've tried size 2048M and size = 2048M. So this one was the last one. Ant thanks for the shortcut |
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| 23:41.13 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/129880/ |
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| 23:41.35 | abrotman | hides from RichiH |
| 23:41.41 | RichiH | unless i am very mistaken, the firmware for the gobi 3000 should be loaded, no? |
| 23:41.49 | RichiH | abrotman: no use |
| 23:41.56 | kuznetzvo-afk | Hi roy =p |
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| 23:44.52 | user | hi all i'm trying to install wheezy but got stuck at the bootloader install, i continued and booted with rescue mode mounted the drive installed some grub related packages but grub-installer is giving me a archdetect: not found |
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| 23:46.55 | MrHatter | i have a squeeze install, that is taking a very long time to do an aptitude safe-upgrade - Resolving dependencies... |
| 23:46.55 | MrHatter | open: 117; closed: 17870; defer: 8015; conflict: 34 , should i be worried about this ? |
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| 23:51.51 | user | is htere a way to install grub without grub-installer |
| 23:52.14 | kuznetzvo-afk | what do you mean you got "stuck" at the bootloader install? |
| 23:52.34 | user | the installer said can't install bootloader |
| 23:52.54 | user | i tried lilo same thing |
| 23:53.50 | kuznetzvo-afk | any other specific error information? also what kind of machine is this, and what arch |
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| 23:54.23 | gthing | My computer is hanging at where it says "Configuring MTA: exim4" What should I do besides reformat |
| 23:54.25 | gthing | How do I solve my problem |
| 23:54.26 | abrotman | user: so use the squeeze installer |
| 23:54.28 | gthing | Edit the bootup script to remove MTA? |
| 23:54.37 | abrotman | gthing: holding in ctrl-c, no chnage? |
| 23:54.41 | gthing | aND IF SO, WHICH SCRIPT HAS IT AND WHAT ARE ITS CONTENTS? RUNNING EXIM4? |
| 23:54.42 | gthing | yeah |
| 23:54.45 | user | kuznetzvo-afk, it's a amd64 |
| 23:54.47 | abrotman | jesus .. less caps |
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| 23:54.54 | gthing | no change |
| 23:55.05 | abrotman | user: someone else on oftc just complained the installer smeed broken, use the squeeze installer |
| 23:55.13 | kuznetzvo-afk | ^\ |
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| 23:55.27 | abrotman | gthing: so boot and remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 23:55.30 | user | abrotman, easy to say but i got no burner and this machine doesn't boot from usb |
| 23:55.39 | gthing | ok I didn't know where it was, thanks |
| 23:55.54 | abrotman | user: so you wasted your only CD on a possibly known to be broken installer? |
| 23:56.01 | gthing | You mean, just remove the symlink to rc2.d by typing rm /etc/rc2.d, or rm /etc/rc2.d/exim4 |
| 23:56.07 | kuznetzvo-afk | newer does not equal better |
| 23:56.35 | user | abrotman, if i knew it could be broken i wouldn't have used it |
| 23:57.12 | kuznetzvo-afk | so you have a machine new enough to use amd64 but old enough that it won't handle usb booting? that's ridiculous |
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| 23:58.11 | user | kuznetzvo-afk, unfortunately it just wont boot off a usb |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | user: the "testing" installer is meant to *test* the installer, not install testing .. |
| 23:58.52 | user | abrotman, haha really well i feel like an idiot |
| 23:59.00 | kuznetzvo-afk | that's normal |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | user: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't .. |
| 23:59.17 | kuznetzvo-afk | there's not some kind of bios update you can get lucky and use to get usb booting capability? long shot though |
| 23:59.33 | user | i can try... |
| 23:59.49 | user | but is there no way to install grub? it feels like i'm so close |
